596110;1396310415;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla simple ban avoiding technique : make .lk account, link it to bitcointalk.org account
596111;1396310423;mircea_popescu;if .org acount is banned, make new one, link it again
596112;1396310626;kakobrekla;not much of a gain just using org directly with moar accounts
596113;1396310633;kakobrekla;gain over *
596114;1396310645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15102 @ 0.00094639 = 14.2924 BTC [-]
596115;1396310668;mircea_popescu;posts become undeleteable.
596116;1396310681;mircea_popescu;i guess they are anyway
596117;1396310705;mircea_popescu;but the political angle is important, that shit must die.
596118;1396310717;asciilifeform;gentlemen, lol! perhaps the log should stay like this
596119;1396310735;moiety;btctalk needs to become deleteable on the whole
596120;1396310751;mike_c;you are directly supporting bitcointalk by paying someone to create high quality posts there.  seems contradictory.
596121;1396310756;tg2;lol, ltcponzi 700 ltc in 15 seconds
596122;1396310784;mircea_popescu;mike_c i am aware. won't last very long really.
596123;1396310823;mircea_popescu;was looking for a way out for a while. reducing .org to the status of a lousy scrapper of .lk seems perfect.
596124;1396310912;mike_c;that cesspool hardly needs killing. it's already a wasteland.
596125;1396310949;mike_c;i think it is admirable to try to provide a path out of there through mpoe-pr, but if they don't want it..
596126;1396310988;mircea_popescu;there are two separate problems here.
596127;1396310998;mircea_popescu;one is that people generally are stupid. this, we knew going in, not a problem.
596128;1396311004;mircea_popescu;the other is that theymos & co are scammers.
596129;1396311007;mircea_popescu;this needs resolving.
596130;1396311018;antephialtic;yes, I agree. Forum should have an entrance exam
596131;1396311031;mike_c;you can't have an entrance exam. everybody starts off stupid.
596132;1396311032;tg2;IQ test
596133;1396311050;antephialtic;it should include a study guide
596134;1396311061;tg2;2 week course
596135;1396311064;tg2;$500
596136;1396311072;tg2;get crypto certified
596137;1396311072;mike_c;if you want to kill bitcointalk, you need to create a new forum.  it will fill with retards eventually, but it would solve the second problem.
596138;1396311075;mircea_popescu;antephialtic the problem with any exam that doesn't also include a firing squad is that it creates a class of niggers.
596139;1396311082;mircea_popescu;mike_c .lk.
596140;1396311102;antephialtic;on basic principles of bitcoin. to eliminate people who aren't capable of learning, and to make sure that people who get in aren't asking the most basic of questions
596141;1396311111;mike_c;and it can't be on b-a :)  bad juju
596142;1396311126;antephialtic;HUR DUR whats a change address DERP
596143;1396311127;asciilifeform;this actually reminds me of something fairly foolish that i almost did
596144;1396311166;asciilifeform;at one point, i worked on a 'destupidator' (actual working title) - sort of like a 'captcha', but based on the 'raven matrix' iq test.
596145;1396311205;cazalla;i dunno antephialtic, that seems a reasonable question to me for someone new to bitcoin
596146;1396311228;antephialtic;cazalla: that should be on the entrance exam
596147;1396311287;antephialtic;I'd rather have a forum for the 20% of competent people using bitcoin, than a wasteland for those unwilling or uncapable of learning
596148;1396311300;antephialtic;they are free to hang out on reddit
596149;1396311327;cazalla;how can they learn if they need to be learned to pass the exam prior to accessing the forum?
596150;1396311337;antephialtic;exam includes a study guide
596151;1396311344;asciilifeform;cazalla: exam for write-access
596152;1396311350;cazalla;all you really need to do is restrict post ability for 6-12 months
596153;1396311363;cazalla;oh ok, that makes sense then asciilifeform
596154;1396311371;antephialtic;no. I want smart/motivated individuals to be able to post right away
596155;1396311375;mike_c;you are describing b-a.  study guide is the wiki.
596156;1396311395;antephialtic;b-a is great, but there is a lot of benefit to a threaded discussion format
596157;1396311408;pankkake;what about requiring referals?
596158;1396311450;asciilifeform;here's another crackpot idea. a very 'slow' mailing list, where it costs 1 btc to post. a few days later, you get it back on the sending addr - if you're nice.
596159;1396311455;asciilifeform;s/nice/intelligent
596160;1396311459;BCB;is Andreas M. Antonopoulos a core dev?
596161;1396311491;antephialtic;BCB: no, he's the glenn beck of bitcoin
596162;1396311504;antephialtic;or rather, the rush limbaugh
596163;1396311513;BCB;antephialtic: why is he writing "Mastering Bitcoin" for 0'Reily
596164;1396311519;mike_c;mircea_popescu: was that shorthand for "that's what i'm doing with .lk"?  i don't think that works, because the high quality content you influence to go to .lk also ends up in their forum.  it's not competition.
596165;1396311520;cazalla;he's not even a media contact to much butthurt for him
596166;1396311521;nubbins`;pankkake: referrals? sounds like goat's forum
596167;1396311552;nubbins`;someone name a movie
596168;1396311552;mircea_popescu;antephialtic there's a diference between clueless and stupid.
596169;1396311558;mircea_popescu;nubbins` all about eve.
596170;1396311575;nubbins`;is it as depressing as the bicycle thieves?
596171;1396311579;mircea_popescu;no.
596172;1396311593;mircea_popescu;it's hollywood not italian new wave
596173;1396311604;nubbins`;good, 'cause that was a real downer
596174;1396311611;mircea_popescu;BCB bitcoin core devs are the folks at conformal.
596175;1396311613;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: the clueless are redeemable so long as they educate themselves. the stupid are not capable of contributing useless discussion and should be left to rot on reddit
596176;1396311654;mircea_popescu;mike_c yeah, it is actually.
596177;1396311696;mircea_popescu;nubbins` downer yeah. good film tho
596178;1396311701;nubbins`;agreed
596179;1396311723;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: have you messed around with conformal's btcd?
596180;1396311743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00095224 = 20.3779 BTC [+]
596181;1396311841;mircea_popescu;maybe :p
596182;1396311951;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-226#post-5730195
596183;1396311953;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 226 | Bitcointa.lk
596184;1396311957;mircea_popescu;mike_c looks like your wish may well be granted.
596185;1396311987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04687499 = 0.2344 BTC [+] {2} 
596186;1396311988;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05560028 = 0.278 BTC [-] {3} 
596187;1396311989;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]
596188;1396312011;mike_c;lol. awesome response.
596189;1396312069;kakobrekla;kako sets the fashion trend
596190;1396312117;mircea_popescu;lol
596191;1396312221;pankkake;"MPOE-PR perma-banned. His only option to get his account back is an appeal to theymos."
596192;1396312226;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551603.msg6010465#msg6010465
596193;1396312228;ozbot;Please remove this user from this forum.
596194;1396312233;tg2;lol
596195;1396312246;kakobrekla;he is not fucking around.
596196;1396312264;mircea_popescu;i guess we're going to tune in to .lk for further mpoe-pr posts.
596197;1396312306;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551603.msg6010465#msg6010465
596198;1396312306;nubbins`;ha
596199;1396312307;ozbot;Please remove this user from this forum.
596200;1396312315;antephialtic;honestly speaking, mpoe-pr is pretty inflammatory, but speaks the truth
596201;1396312335;kakobrekla;i guess you all will be wearing shoelacesless shoes by t he conference.
596202;1396312337;antephialtic;unfortunate that the forum users fail to see that
596203;1396312343;tg2;yes IP bans are effective obv
596204;1396312346;mike_c;so someone creates a thread to get herp banned, and that dipshit bans mpoe-pr instead.  classic forum.
596205;1396312356;tg2;why couldn't the otc/vouch system work for a forum?
596206;1396312365;tg2;you have to get invited by a member with positive rep
596207;1396312367;mircea_popescu;it's pretty much the system that sunk -otc into irrelevancy, so...
596208;1396312370;mircea_popescu;at least idiots are consistent.
596209;1396312382;nubbins`;tg2: that's what goat did with his forum
596210;1396312385;nubbins`;it's pretty dead there
596211;1396312394;mircea_popescu;goat has a wot now ?
596212;1396312396;tg2;the general public is pretty dumb
596213;1396312407;tg2;it never amazes me at the success of the most blatant scams
596214;1396312456;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: cryptocrypt.org
596215;1396312473;kakobrekla;cryptocryptcry
596216;1396312474;mircea_popescu;nubbins` a wot i mean.
596217;1396312481;nubbins`;ah
596218;1396312493;mircea_popescu;anyway, i had a forum on the old polimedia domain, same principle, also pretty dead.
596219;1396312494;nubbins`;i was thinking in terms of "u wot m8"
596220;1396312516;tg2;maybe a simpler wot
596221;1396312536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9498 @ 0.00095096 = 9.0322 BTC [-] {2} 
596222;1396312540;nubbins`;anyway, membership in the forum is by invite only, and i think being rude gets you banned or something
596223;1396312605;tg2;we had a car enthousaist forum that had a "premium" section where members could pay and had to be invited to do so
596224;1396312614;tg2;it was pretty elite compared to the general scrubbery
596225;1396312621;tg2;sort of a one-way-glass type affair
596226;1396312713;mircea_popescu;honestly i don't see why .lk can't be used for exactly this purpose.
596227;1396312767;nubbins`;gigposters.com forums have a "premium membership" option for $20/year
596228;1396312785;nubbins`;you get access to a special subforum where people post plans for diy equipment
596229;1396312793;mike_c;50 people posting on bitcointa.lk is not going to kill btctalk.org.
596230;1396312799;nubbins`;and if you ask too many questions without VIP, people shame you and stop answering ;(
596231;1396312827;mircea_popescu;mike_c depends which.
596232;1396312837;mircea_popescu;i personally don't think there's any value in the forum format, but hey.
596233;1396312839;mircea_popescu;some people seem to.
596234;1396312860;mike_c;50 people posting exclusively on a forum could draw traffic, but i don't believe it works when the content is forwarded to the competition.
596235;1396312883;mike_c;it would be like if quora sent all their posts to yahoo answers.
596236;1396312943;mike_c;even that would be better, because at least quora wouldn't have all the shit.  but bitcointa.lk does have all the shit too!
596237;1396312989;mike_c;it's like shit with a sprinkling of honey.  i would bitbet this but it's not definable.
596238;1396313042;mircea_popescu;you don't HAVE to forward it.
596239;1396313049;mircea_popescu;you get all their shit copied over
596240;1396313055;mircea_popescu;and you can lol at it or w/e.
596241;1396313191;BingoBoingo;I really don't see the point of cross posting to the Thermos forum, if the aim is killing the pretense of its relevance
596242;1396313290;ThickAsThieves;Hey I'm gonna ban myself from the forum
596243;1396313293;ThickAsThieves;fuck that shit
596244;1396313329;ThickAsThieves;they have no good reason to ban people that are consistently right and alienated just because people wanna be delusional
596245;1396313339;asciilifeform;curious - am i the only one here who never posted to btct ?
596246;1396313452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00094789 = 24.7873 BTC [-]
596247;1396313457;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i never posted either.
596248;1396313470;asciilifeform;that makes 2...
596249;1396313471;artifexd;Liar
596250;1396313508;artifexd;I was shocked to find posts by you. Granted, they were a few years ago. But still...
596251;1396313564;mike_c;everybody starts a newbie (except ascii)
596252;1396313575;asciilifeform;lol
596253;1396313586;asciilifeform;mike_c: i'm here by accident, really.
596254;1396313589;ThickAsThieves;there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551603.msg6010682#msg6010682
596255;1396313597;mircea_popescu;lol selfban party
596256;1396313607;mircea_popescu;artifexd i dun think so.
596257;1396313618;artifexd;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37923;sa=showPosts <- Not you?
596258;1396313619;ozbot;Latest posts of:  Mircea Popescu
596259;1396313656;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i think the traditional way to do it is making this post : https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-226#post-5730195
596260;1396313663;mircea_popescu;give it some ritual lmao
596261;1396313668;mircea_popescu;artifexd nop
596262;1396313677;*;pankkake clicks "like"
596263;1396313714;artifexd;As it is not provably you, I can only accept your word and sit back down, corrected and humble.
596264;1396313717;ThickAsThieves;well, so I got on my soapbox before saying fuck you, oh well
596265;1396313737;mike_c;i think he is just forgetting.  this certainly sounds like him :)  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37923;sa=showPosts
596266;1396313778;mircea_popescu;mike_c so do you.
596267;1396313793;mike_c;hah.  perhaps in another year.
596268;1396313797;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla your forum wordmixer gave mpoe-pr a small heart attack lol
596269;1396313803;ThickAsThieves;really without mpoe-pr and friends, what's left there anyway?
596270;1396313897;ThickAsThieves;"bitcoinmagazine.com wants to use your computer's location Allow Deny"
596271;1396313898;ThickAsThieves;....
596272;1396313933;kakobrekla;hehe works as intended then :)
596273;1396313939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10942 @ 0.00013798 = 1.5098 BTC [+] {8} 
596274;1396313964;mircea_popescu;lol
596275;1396314051;mircea_popescu;http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Steve-Carell-Ellie-Kemper-Pop-Champagne-For-To-Celebrate-The-New-Year-.gif
596276;1396314931;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/please-remove-this-user-from-this-forum.292032/#post-5730099
596277;1396314932;ozbot;Please remove this user from this forum. | Bitcointa.lk
596278;1396314935;mircea_popescu;lol maged trying to be the sly cat.
596279;1396314939;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha
596280;1396314967;mircea_popescu;is this guy actually gmaxwell or just similarly spineless ?
596281;1396315023;BingoBoingo;Maybe a bit of both?
596282;1396315049;mircea_popescu;can you be a bit of both ?
596283;1396315213;BingoBoingo;Well, maybe there is some simple minded psychotic disease passing through people who think they moderate important parts of bitcoin infrastructure that just suck. And this disease is spread through fucking gmaxwell
596284;1396315254;antephialtic;?? why the hate for gmaxwell?
596285;1396315258;mircea_popescu;gmaxwell got laid ?!
596286;1396315263;mircea_popescu;impossibru
596287;1396315276;BingoBoingo;Well, maybe by Maged.
596288;1396315305;mircea_popescu;antephialtic not rly hate, but for the usual reason neckbeads fail to make it in human society.
596289;1396315311;mircea_popescu;he has those clammy qualities.
596290;1396315357;asciilifeform;neckbeard == fellow whom age has taught nothing?
596291;1396315365;antephialtic;ah, I have to admit I enjoy his opinions on cryptography related matters.
596292;1396315377;BingoBoingo;This stuff really pops up in most internet fora where the operators develop a pretense of importance and being cereal.
596293;1396315379;mircea_popescu;neckbeard = 30something male with poor hygiene, lack of socialisation and a monitor tan
596294;1396315414;mircea_popescu;antephialtic most neckbeards make excellent worhorses. doesn't mean anyone would want them i nthe house.
596295;1396315432;asciilifeform;richard stallman...?
596296;1396315477;antephialtic;a friend of mine works in the same building as stallman. says he does all kinds of weird shit in the office
596297;1396315481;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't go as far as rms.
596298;1396315493;mircea_popescu;guy's weird, but not desocialised.
596299;1396315502;antephialtic;but rms is a greybeard. a neckbeard who is respected widely for technical contributions
596300;1396315511;antephialtic;and has grown senile
596301;1396315520;mircea_popescu;well senility aside, there's more to it than that.
596302;1396315534;asciilifeform;rms is a special case. he used to be a fairly sociable creature before his motherland was burned to the ground.
596303;1396315538;mircea_popescu;there's a deep understanding of what humanity is all about, that someone as fucking weird as dostoievski could exhibit nevertheless
596304;1396315608;pankkake;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-litecoin-ltc-x11-hardfork-at-block-564-480.291272/ lol
596305;1396315609;ozbot;[ANN] Litecoin [LTC] X11 hardfork at block 564,480 | Bitcointa.lk
596306;1396315616;mircea_popescu;hm
596307;1396315632;pankkake;interesting experiment though - how could a hostile hardfork be received in bitcoin
596308;1396315644;mircea_popescu;old news tho neh ?
596309;1396315654;asciilifeform;i thought every alt was a 'hostile fork' ?
596310;1396315676;pankkake;of the code, not of the chain
596311;1396315684;mircea_popescu;pankkake https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/450654561947369472
596312;1396315744;antephialtic;I think forking the chain is interesting, would give a lot of incentive for miners and users to switch if the tech was actually better
596313;1396315767;antephialtic;dogecoin has intentionally forked at least once to switch the block reward algo
596314;1396315788;mircea_popescu;a hardfork is a major event, but definitely not impossible.
596315;1396315794;antephialtic;but with bitcoin it would be a lot more dangerous as many merchants would get scammed while their were still multiple viable forks
596316;1396315815;antephialtic;would be very damaging to trust unless it was done extremely carefully
596317;1396315835;mircea_popescu;Hardforking BTC and LTC to X11 would be pretty awesome.
596318;1396315835;mircea_popescu;And it would be a great way to stick it to the mega banker elite class who invested billions in Asic hardware.
596319;1396315835;mircea_popescu;Wtf is the point of crypto if a bank can simply mine all the coins themselves, the entire point of crypto was to get away from elitist bankers
596320;1396315842;mircea_popescu;then again theres that consideration.
596321;1396315851;mircea_popescu;"bitcoin is here to solve my own problems!!1"
596322;1396315870;mircea_popescu;antephialtic how exactly would the merchants be scammed ?
596323;1396315890;asciilifeform;if one is to do something, even something foolish, it ought to be done right. cellular automaton proof-of-work.
596324;1396315904;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: you send them coins while they are still on the old chain
596325;1396315911;mircea_popescu;so ?
596326;1396315920;antephialtic;while double spending on the new chain
596327;1396315921;mircea_popescu;a hard fork is a political event. they get the old chain coins they chose.
596328;1396315927;mircea_popescu;or the new chain coins they chose.
596329;1396315948;antephialtic;yes, but many merchants don't know much about how bitcoin works
596330;1396315954;mircea_popescu;since the fork will NEVER resolve, tyhere's no scamming.
596331;1396315955;mircea_popescu;tough.
596332;1396315977;antephialtic;yes, but bad for everyone if less merchants accept it because they lose trust in the tech
596333;1396316023;mircea_popescu;a war is a war.
596334;1396316034;mircea_popescu;when people go to war, they couldn't care less about foreign markets or whatever the fuck.
596335;1396316132;antephialtic;also, the chain with the asics will have much better network security than the new X11 chain, so many rational merchants would stay
596336;1396316181;mircea_popescu;https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=18166.0
596337;1396316186;mircea_popescu;Here’s are the reasons:
596338;1396316186;mircea_popescu;We have not come across a proof of work algorithm that is truly ASIC-proof and quick to verify.  All alternatives will only delay the problem, and at a considerable cost.
596339;1396316192;mircea_popescu;guy figured it out, apparently.
596340;1396316205;mircea_popescu;antephialtic in the case of the litecoin fork, yes.
596341;1396316207;asciilifeform;didn't i post a perfectly usable counter-example?
596342;1396316233;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform give them a decade. reading these logs is slow work.
596343;1396316319;antephialtic;asciilifeform: what are the characteristics of a cellular automaton PoW that make it resistant to an ASIC implementation?
596344;1396316346;asciilifeform;antephialtic: you can demand an arbitrarily-large 'playing field'
596345;1396316367;antephialtic;so memory hardness?
596346;1396316424;asciilifeform;antephialtic: correct. and, if you're clever, you can have difficulty ramp up to outpace any conceivable growth in vlsi density.
596347;1396316440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38200 @ 0.00094634 = 36.1502 BTC [-] {3} 
596348;1396316444;asciilifeform;so hashers are stuck using external dram - or even disk, if you're sadist
596349;1396316470;antephialtic;hah. If you want to require disk, you can do proof-of-storage instead of PoW
596350;1396316504;asciilifeform;nsacoin.
596351;1396316508;asciilifeform;no thanks
596352;1396316516;antephialtic;http://cs.umd.edu/~amiller/permacoin.pdf
596353;1396316534;antephialtic;sorry for the PDF
596354;1396316541;asciilifeform;the problem with any such experiment is that, ultimately, 'the race is to the swift.'
596355;1396316552;asciilifeform;and the lamers aren't going to like who that turns out to be
596356;1396316589;mircea_popescu;^
596357;1396316602;asciilifeform;that is, even a hypothetical permanently 'asic-proof' algo rewards... botnets.
596358;1396316609;mircea_popescu;there is the problem. it's all trying to somehow build equality out of technology.
596359;1396316619;mircea_popescu;cryptocoins are here to bring inequality back to its proper size
596360;1396316623;mircea_popescu;not in any way reduce it.
596361;1396316638;asciilifeform;there's possible merit to the experiment if you have a specific enemy in mind, who Must Die (tm), rather than some foggy notion of 'equality'
596362;1396316695;antephialtic;I don't think cryptocoins will make the world any more egalitarian. Probably less so, as their widespread use would deny the state a lot of tax revenue
596363;1396316722;antephialtic;but I think that is inevitable, and if it is going to happen, I'd rather end up at the top instead of getting crushed in the transition
596364;1396316748;mircea_popescu;antephialtic but the whole argument behind scrypt,. and behind asic-resistence, and all that jazz is "other people than us have better resources and are being rewarded for this."
596365;1396316770;antephialtic;and to that I say, that's just how the world works
596366;1396316770;pankkake;so altcoins are socialism?
596367;1396316775;mircea_popescu;it's pure jealousy, and well... that's not part of the laws of nature.
596368;1396316790;antephialtic;This guy gets it: http://blog.gardeviance.org/2013/11/a-spoiler-for-future-bitcoin.html
596369;1396316797;antephialtic;even if he doesn't like the outcome
596370;1396316798;mircea_popescu;pankkake not altcoins, but teh people bitching about how other people are eating "their" share of the pie are.
596371;1396316803;asciilifeform;if you're willing to sign under 'i wish victory to botnet artists but not semiconductor makers', you can work with that.
596372;1396316819;pankkake;yeah, I've seen that in people praising Bernankoin without getting it
596373;1396316888;mircea_popescu;antephialtic seems just a rehash of older material really.
596374;1396316928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00094602 = 4.4463 BTC [-]
596375;1396316934;pankkake;by the way: http://blog.oleganza.com/post/79783931404/idea-of-a-useful-altcoin (last two paragraphs)
596376;1396316947;mircea_popescu;"Austerity measures will have taken the route of unprecedented and radical decimation of the state - everything from state provided healthcare to coastguards to income support to education will be practically gone replaced with numerous forms of bitcoin based insurance."
596377;1396316951;mircea_popescu;this is what, trilema cca 2012.
596378;1396317020;antephialtic;mp: I wasn't reasing trilema in 2012 :)
596379;1396317082;antephialtic;pankkake: I think that is wishful thinking
596380;1396317091;mircea_popescu;idiot b;logger.com. was gonna leave the guy a reply, but a well.
596381;1396317108;asciilifeform;i'm genuinely curious if any of the 'alt workfunction' folks are going for something other than 'equality!11'
596382;1396317129;antephialtic;mp: talk to him on twitter, he's pretty active
596383;1396317133;antephialtic;@swardley
596384;1396317219;antephialtic;pankakke: the solution to fixing bitcoin is not to make it more complex. that just increases the inertia of having multiple compatible implementations
596385;1396317234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27002 @ 0.00094491 = 25.5145 BTC [-] {3} 
596386;1396317255;pankkake;antephialtic: that's why I said last two paragraphs ;)
596387;1396317281;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-and-the-poor/ < now you can read 2012 trilema antephialtic :p
596388;1396317282;ozbot;Bitcoin and the poor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
596389;1396317328;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/the-politics-of-bitcoin/ that too i guess
596390;1396317329;ozbot;The politics of Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
596391;1396317566;KRS-One;.bait
596392;1396317567;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/d837eba941a57a96c6063c04b4b9ecfa/tumblr_n1mdnwSc7F1sajoh5o1_500.jpg
596393;1396317615;*;KRS-One presses random buttons on ozbot.
596394;1396317678;Jezzz;.bait
596395;1396317679;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/11ca367b44729fce0f7e80c22a9a5b55/tumblr_n14r651qYa1rudoyyo1_1280.jpg
596396;1396317688;Jezzz;.d
596397;1396317689;ozbot;5.007 billion | Next Diff in 837 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.2493% in 4d 22h 8m 25s
596398;1396317803;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: the first post was quite good
596399;1396317869;antephialtic;will be interested to see you two fight it out on twitter. his opinions (on politics at least) seem to be the polar opposite of yours
596400;1396317899;antephialtic;I'm sure this will be quite entertaining to you as well: http://blog.gardeviance.org/2014/03/how-to-fix-bitcoin.html
596401;1396317915;antephialtic;his recipe for how the government could "fix" bitcoin
596402;1396317936;antephialtic;his thoughts: "Now, whilst some might welcome the reduction in the state caused by a loss of taxation, the state is THE key economic driver of innovation, prosperity and social mobility. The laissez faire economic system is an extreme mindset of some of the more ardent supporters of Freidmanism and the Chicago School. There is no basis for assuming a beneficial society can be created without the state and in all likelihood i
596403;1396317936;antephialtic;t'll lead to a future consolidation of wealth, extremely low levels of social mobility and weak economic performance compared to countries that use a more mixed method. From a competition viewpoint this is not a good position."
596404;1396318006;MisterE;when was the last time a government "fixed" anything?
596405;1396318013;MisterE;seriously?
596406;1396318084;antephialtic;well, inventing the ARPAnet was one kind of cool thing
596407;1396318098;MisterE;Like lawyers and consultants they thrive on problems not on solving them heh
596408;1396318109;MisterE;ok I'll concede arpanet :)
596409;1396318118;Duffer1;nasa
596410;1396318124;MisterE;+2
596411;1396318134;Duffer1;that's all i got..
596412;1396318136;asciilifeform;it seems odd, to say the least, to lump together projects done on embezzled government coin, and ones planned/ordered by bureaucrats.
596413;1396318137;Duffer1;oh highways
596414;1396318151;MisterE;well the were nice but are fallig apart now
596415;1396318158;asciilifeform;same for any idiot organization - see history of 'unix'
596416;1396318158;MisterE;those grades are the most vluable though
596417;1396318166;MisterE;can be repaved or whatever
596418;1396318223;mircea_popescu;ahahaha diablo 3 apparently still thinks it exists, made update, costs 40 bux
596419;1396318236;asciilifeform;just about every interesting technology attributed to a mega-organization was done on 'stolen time.'
596420;1396318257;antephialtic;regardless of your thoughts on welfare, with regards to science their are many avenues of basic research that cannot be justified from a pure ROI standpoint yet have long term benefits to technological advancement. Such as the development of pure mathematics, etcetra
596421;1396318283;antephialtic;hard to see how such pursuits would be funded without a system of universities (and thereby the state that funds it)
596422;1396318312;MisterE;I wish when government funded that kind of research the first priority was not always to weaponize it if possible
596423;1396318323;asciilifeform;mr. mold had a good tidbit on this:
596424;1396318327;asciilifeform;'The basic problem is that the robber-barons of Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office. But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Just scient
596425;1396318327;asciilifeform;ific Bondo, sanded to perfection and painted with meticulous care.'
596426;1396318334;asciilifeform;(http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2010/01/hanson-moldbug-debate.html)
596427;1396318334;MisterE;you need a state with a surplus to do that too
596428;1396318416;mircea_popescu;antephialtic if you think the welfare state did anything for the advancement of pure mathematics...
596429;1396318433;mircea_popescu;look up perelman sometime./
596430;1396318474;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: not the welfare state, but the state, certainly
596431;1396318479;mircea_popescu;not at all.
596432;1396318485;mircea_popescu;the state is everywhere and all the time a drawback.
596433;1396318501;MisterE;the other thing about the 'intangible benefits' of research and exploration is that it inspires and this is so very much lacking in todays youth. When we were walking on the moon people were amazed and wanted to be engineers, nothing like that now. The biggest value to come out of the Apollo project was the increased interest in science.
596434;1396318511;mircea_popescu;not that people can't rehash the ancient arguments re the importance of the church and present them de novo in favour of the state.
596435;1396318517;mircea_popescu;but they're as false today as they were in 1700.
596436;1396318528;mircea_popescu;MisterE hunger inspires.
596437;1396318535;mircea_popescu;not "science".
596438;1396318556;MisterE;hunger inspires looking for food, not looking toward the stars heh
596439;1396318578;mircea_popescu;so you think.
596440;1396318585;mircea_popescu;but what would you know of it ?
596441;1396318600;mircea_popescu;nothing really, all the overfed know of hunger is their terror.
596442;1396318612;MisterE;nothing other than being a space enthusiast
596443;1396318635;MisterE;this topic comes up regularly in #space
596444;1396318665;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'll patronize science just fine.
596445;1396318683;mircea_popescu;what i dislike is a bunch of fucktards going around with money that isn't theirs, muddying things up.
596446;1396319264;mike_c;omg. the log is remapping pathways in my brain.  it's making me dyslexic.
596447;1396319294;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you gotta fix that thing srsly.
596448;1396319304;mike_c;it is funny though :)
596449;1396319357;kakobrekla;eh, let the girl have a day off
596450;1396319374;mircea_popescu;i dunno what i'll do tomorro morning.
596451;1396319389;mircea_popescu;maybe discover who satoshi really is...
596452;1396319480;mircea_popescu;antephialtic well your friend won't irc and i'm not about to argue with anyone on twitter, so i guess that's that.
596453;1396319553;antephialtic;eh, too bad
596454;1396319669;MisterE;Blogging is one thing and quick tweets are easy too but defending your positions in real time is another animal many are not prepared for.
596455;1396319689;MisterE;I've always been an IMer so prefer it
596456;1396319710;mircea_popescu;this is true.
596457;1396319838;antephialtic;agreed. additionally Many do not prefer to enter a potentially compromising conversation when the medium is written
596458;1396319849;antephialtic;if things go badly, the evidence will be everlasting
596459;1396319860;kakobrekla;anyway, just add ?stopitkako if you really need a clean log nao.
596460;1396319879;mircea_popescu;lol
596461;1396319884;mircea_popescu;wait was this for april fools' ?
596462;1396319896;kakobrekla;yea
596463;1396319902;mircea_popescu;awww!
596464;1396319907;mircea_popescu;well it is a cute joke lol
596465;1396319913;mircea_popescu;but thanks for the fix.
596466;1396319919;BingoBoingo;+2 Great troll
596467;1396319931;MisterE;oh yea, let the fooling begin!
596468;1396319941;mike_c;now do one on bitbet where all the weights flip!
596469;1396319944;ThickAsThieves;i enjoyed the garble, was a nice surprise reading logs on tablet
596470;1396319958;asciilifeform;is there really anyone left who doesn't understand that, if you're transmitting plaintext, 'the medium is written' always?
596471;1396319965;ThickAsThieves;these forum people now think my account was compromised
596472;1396319978;ThickAsThieves;this mentality is ...
596473;1396319984;ThickAsThieves;incurable
596474;1396319986;MisterE;lol just saw it great work kakobrekla :)
596475;1396319994;kakobrekla;thank you!
596476;1396320041;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform people have peculiar interactions with the voices in their heads. it leads to fascinating conclusions.
596477;1396320058;mircea_popescu;http://szabo.best.vwh.net/history.html << szabo kicks ass btw.
596478;1396320059;ozbot;History and the Security of Property
596479;1396320090;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recently i was reading some vintage dan mocsny (circa '91) and spotted szabo in the thread...
596480;1396320122;mircea_popescu;they got along ?
596481;1396320128;ThickAsThieves;jimmothy is disappointed in me
596482;1396320129;asciilifeform;more or less.
596483;1396320287;asciilifeform;https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.singles/5bYxszUQKDY/o8fkGj7yEzEJ
596484;1396320287;ozbot;Grupos de Google
596485;1396320289;antephialtic;a fool and his bitcoin are soon parted
596486;1396320359;asciilifeform;example of quality mocsny:
596487;1396320369;asciilifeform;https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.singles/5bYxszUQKDY/05P-h5JY6YEJ
596488;1396320370;ozbot;Grupos de Google
596489;1396320413;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this google groups bs
596490;1396320433;asciilifeform;not my fault these bozos bought the world's only reasonably-complete usenet archive.
596491;1396320438;asciilifeform;('dejanews')
596492;1396320508;mircea_popescu;le suck.
596493;1396320535;ThickAsThieves;new michael jackson album coming
596494;1396320545;ThickAsThieves;produced by timbland
596495;1396320552;ThickAsThieves;which means itll be great or horrible
596496;1396320574;ThickAsThieves;he does a pretty good job with timberlake'
596497;1396320589;ThickAsThieves;but i suspect the powers that be will pummel him into mediocrity
596498;1396320599;mircea_popescu;how is it a mj album
596499;1396320619;ThickAsThieves;unreleased tracks, redone music to be 'modernized'
596500;1396320622;MisterE;probably samples of unreleased studio stuff
596501;1396320639;pankkake;sounds fishy
596502;1396320645;ThickAsThieves;i'm surprised it took this long really
596503;1396320645;mircea_popescu;i wonder if this nonsense will become a trend.
596504;1396320650;decimation;guys someone who writes like dotcoin has hacked the log server and raped the logs!!!
596505;1396320652;ThickAsThieves;it's an old trend
596506;1396320661;mircea_popescu;decimation lol best 1 so far.
596507;1396320661;MisterE;indeed been around for a long time
596508;1396320672;ThickAsThieves;many posthumous albums come from the hip pop world
596509;1396320677;MisterE;2Pac and BIG all had multiple albums after death
596510;1396320699;MisterE;but 2_ac had actually laid down the tracks in a premonition of his upcoming death he went on a recording binge
596511;1396320703;mircea_popescu;bounce check it out mang, you're now famous http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=92
596512;1396320720;ThickAsThieves;nice quote
596513;1396320746;MisterE;Wonder if he recalls making it
596514;1396320790;ThickAsThieves;the past is the past, only time will tell
596515;1396321015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00094463 = 14.3584 BTC [-]
596516;1396321490;cazalla;i wrote this song in 94'
596517;1396321681;artifexd;What the hell?!? http://www.reddit.com/r/celebs
596518;1396321733;artifexd;Oh. April Fools.
596519;1396321757;MisterE;artifexd: http://www.reddit.com/r/thewalkingdead
596520;1396321779;MisterE;http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/21/us-ukraine-crisis-lithuania-idUSBREA2K1HP20140321
596521;1396321779;ozbot;Lithuania bans Russian TV station over 'lies'
596522;1396321814;mircea_popescu;.
596523;1396321821;mircea_popescu;lol wouldn't cn love to sell reddit.
596524;1396321892;pankkake;funny stuff, I was reading /r/thewalkingdead when they switched on the thing
596525;1396321933;diametric;mircea_popescu: reddit's not owned by cn anymore
596526;1396321939;diametric;as of august 2012 if I remember correctly
596527;1396321945;mircea_popescu;no ?
596528;1396321953;diametric;Though, CN's parent company still holds a significant portion of shares they're independently owned
596529;1396321993;mircea_popescu;still owned by advance
596530;1396322013;mircea_popescu;idun see much diff.
596531;1396322038;diametric;Maybe so, I vaguely remember at the time of it happening a lot of organization changes took place but its been a while now.
596532;1396322143;mircea_popescu;"Charlie Shrem, known for his alleged involvement in the Silk Road scandal, is in talks with US prosecutors for a plea bargain."
596533;1396322147;pankkake;http://www.coindesk.com/reddit-ceo-thinks-world-dogecoin-slams-crazy-bitcoiners/
596534;1396322170;mircea_popescu;"According to a March 28th filing in Manhattan federal court, Assistant U.S. Attorney Serrin Turner has asked for the 24-year-old Shrem’s case to be postponed until April 28th."
596535;1396322230;antephialtic;AKA shrem is talking
596536;1396322243;asciilifeform;'“It couldn’t be stupider, and that’s why it’s brilliant,” he concluded.' << me brain dumped core.
596537;1396322246;antephialtic;and probably trying to incriminate others
596538;1396322268;MisterE;only reason to talk
596539;1396322360;antephialtic;well the other guy, BTCKing is definitely the bigger prize for the state since he was actually laundering SR money
596540;1396322371;antephialtic;Shrem was just being used, and too negligent to realize
596541;1396322375;MisterE;oh I thought BTCKing was done in
596542;1396322409;MisterE;the whole gaggle of them are retarded and deserve what they get
596543;1396322665;ThickAsThieves;shrem is 24?
596544;1396322671;ThickAsThieves;he looks closer to 42
596545;1396322697;antephialtic;its the natural jew hair
596546;1396322728;antephialtic;and the smoking of too many substances
596547;1396322789;mircea_popescu;he's in his 20s. thermos too. most of them are too young for this shit rly.
596548;1396322845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30811 @ 0.00094837 = 29.2202 BTC [+] {2} 
596549;1396322915;decimation;asciilifeform: Wong would mock those who use microscopes as hammers; his sophistocated set only use bespoke polished turds
596550;1396322923;asciilifeform;lol
596551;1396322962;ThickAsThieves;hell i'm too young and too old for this
596552;1396323101;mircea_popescu;decimation you familiar with the bespoke fucksmith ?
596553;1396323170;MisterE;http://whitecollarfraud.blogspot.com/2014/03/update-on-bitcoin-money-laundering-case.html
596554;1396323171;ozbot;White Collar Fraud: Update on Bitcoin Money Laundering Case: Both Defendants Are Talking to the Feds
596555;1396323272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48526 @ 0.00094378 = 45.7979 BTC [-] {5} 
596556;1396323392;decimation;is that from oglaf?
596557;1396323401;decimation;Your link on trilema had me laughing for a few hours
596558;1396323435;mircea_popescu;yeah, they came up wirth it
596559;1396323442;mircea_popescu;now i can't see bespoke without thinking of it.
596560;1396323516;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9qxdcq1b01r1biako1_1280.jpg
596561;1396323557;decimation;http://freakonomics.com/2014/03/27/why-everybody-who-doesnt-hate-bitcoin-loves-it-full-transcript/
596562;1396323589;decimation;ANDREESSEN: One of the characteristics of a new idea is all the experts who came up in the old regime look at it and laugh...Almost exactly 300 years ago, a Scottish economist, ironically, named John Law basically invented at the time this crazy idea of paper currency or fiat currency. ... And every economist on the planet 300 years ago thought that he was a complete lunatic. And so I think this is just the story, the recurring story of how
596563;1396323591;decimation;progress happens.
596564;1396323612;decimation;Except, anyone who takes bitcoin seriously would also think that John Law is a lunatic
596565;1396323627;mircea_popescu;notrly.
596566;1396323632;mircea_popescu;i dun think so for instance
596567;1396323720;mircea_popescu;the problem with paper money run by a government is exactly the same as the problem with a bitcoin run by government.
596568;1396323739;mircea_popescu;but it's not of the paper.
596569;1396323761;decimation;it sounds like trying to grasp both poles of a contradiction
596570;1396323774;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ?
596571;1396323794;chetty;keyword = government
596572;1396323803;decimation;it seems like it's not possible for bitcoin to be run by a government
596573;1396323813;decimation;assuming some level of permability in cross-border communications
596574;1396323829;mircea_popescu;im sure when law was writing it wasn't directly obvious that the thing'll end up as a welfare scam either.
596575;1396323855;decimation;that's a good point
596576;1396323870;mircea_popescu;that aside, obviously the technology is better, crypto chain > paper issuance.
596577;1396323883;mircea_popescu;but in the same sense the tech of a pistol is better than the tech of a sword.
596578;1396323893;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with either of the two, up until they're being brandished by a thief.
596579;1396323936;decimation;if bitcoin is the new Venice, will not bitcoin also eventually form its own customs and laws, like Venice?
596580;1396323943;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6169998 BTC [-]
596581;1396323944;mircea_popescu;and sink, like venice ?
596582;1396323963;decimation;probably
596583;1396323970;MisterE;at the time though paper was an technology upgrade to other mediums of exchange
596584;1396323971;mircea_popescu;anyway it's already forming its own customs and laws.
596585;1396323984;MisterE;so reasonable historically
596586;1396324005;mircea_popescu;MisterE the best part is this : at the time, if i told a proponent that "govt will just monopolize it" he'd just have loled at me. "what are you talking about, ANYONE CAN ISSUE PAPER"
596587;1396324011;mircea_popescu;well... at the time this was true.
596588;1396324019;MisterE;yea
596589;1396324042;mircea_popescu;it didn't last so long, and of course for "very good reasons" (tm)
596590;1396324045;decimation;that's a good poing
596591;1396324065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 27 @ 0.10144642 = 2.7391 BTC [-]
596592;1396324073;MisterE;bitcoin comes with checks and balances built-in and can be upgraded
596593;1396324081;mircea_popescu;lol. so does paper.
596594;1396324089;decimation;meanwhile, the NY state regulator on bitcoin (from my link): LAWSKY: Yes, and I think my understanding and it was really from the day-two testimony when I asked that question again about programmable currency that that is one of the things that potentially you could have with the color coding. They also gave an example of a young person whose parents want to give them an allowance but want to make sure that it goes for certain things and not
596595;1396324091;decimation;other things.
596596;1396324094;decimation;sigh
596597;1396324094;mircea_popescu;you still gotta use them for them to work.
596598;1396324098;MisterE;heh in a way I guess
596599;1396324145;mircea_popescu;tech. 2000 years later, still not a silver bullet.
596600;1396324148;MisterE;there's no built-in check to the amount of fiat that can be created though
596601;1396324155;MisterE;so it's improving
596602;1396324179;mircea_popescu;MisterE in the same sense there's no built in check to the number of alt coins that can be created
596603;1396324182;MisterE;as fiat was an improvement over exchanging chickens and goats I guess
596604;1396324193;MisterE;true
596605;1396324195;mircea_popescu;fiat was not a replacement for barter
596606;1396324208;mircea_popescu;fiat grew out of goldsmith depositary receipts.
596607;1396324209;MisterE;I generally dont give alt coins much creedance but that may be a mistake
596608;1396324220;MisterE;no reason to say BTC will be the one that "wins"
596609;1396324250;mircea_popescu;but anyway, tis late. we'll continue... tomorrow. which is another day.
596610;1396324264;MisterE;nn
596611;1396324301;chetty;MisterE: bitcoin comes with checks and balances built-in and can be upgraded//like the US constitution
596612;1396324329;MisterE;yea problem there is no one has gotten of their ass and upgraded the constitution forever
596613;1396324360;decimation;http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/maths/histstat/chartism.pdf  "Conclusive facts are inseperable from inconclusive except by a head that already understands and knows."
596614;1396324482;chetty;all good ideas get hijacked eventually. we just try to make best use of the window
596615;1396324961;VanCleef;seedcoin is a massive scam i suspect
596616;1396326981;nubbins`;!t h smg
596617;1396326981;assbot;[HAVELOCK:SMG] 1D: 0.00007023 / 7.616E-5 / 0.00008000 (510 shares, 0.03884221 BTC), 7D: 0.00007023 / 8.449E-5 / 0.00009410 (6072 shares, 0.51303206 BTC), 30D: 0.00007023 / 8.993E-5 / 0.00012600 (17596 shares, 1.58233780 BTC)
596618;1396326988;nubbins`;dat discount
596619;1396327028;Mats_cd03;anyone have a link to the chart of bitcoin holders in the world
596620;1396327125;Mats_cd03;it has something about n numbers of holders having xx% of the holdings
596621;1396327330;kakobrekla;Panacea perf for March: +0.26%
596622;1396327847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00094254 = 13.3841 BTC [-] {2} 
596623;1396327881;kakobrekla;oh yeah i forgot to say, take that doctor forehead.
596624;1396328584;cazalla;Mats_cd03: something like this? http://bitcoinrichlist.com/charts/percent-bitcoins-owned-by-richest
596625;1396329128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00094283 = 11.2197 BTC [+]
596626;1396329142;Mats_cd03;no
596627;1396330958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00094237 = 25.2555 BTC [-] {3} 
596628;1396331017;[\];so should I get more popcorn?
596629;1396331019;[\];anything good?
596630;1396331258;BingoBoingo;Well, bitcointa.lk overtook itcointalk.org in officialness. Shrem and Failla are racing to negotiate with prosecutors first.
596631;1396331440;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/please-remove-this-user-from-this-forum.292032/page-2#post-5731773
596632;1396331442;ozbot;Please remove this user from this forum. | Page 2 | Bitcointa.lk
596633;1396331457;BingoBoingo;Apparently Maged thinks the MPOE-PR account was sold or hacked.
596634;1396332498;[\];I agree with ThickAsThieves
596635;1396332828;Apocalyptic;dat drama
596636;1396333276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.00094384 = 36.0075 BTC [+] {2} 
596637;1396333520;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00578608 = 0.1504 BTC [+]
596638;1396333825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00094573 = 24.3998 BTC [+] {3} 
596639;1396334313;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0639885 = 0.3199 BTC [+]
596640;1396334801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
596641;1396335045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00094422 = 1.6524 BTC [-]
596642;1396335167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18823 @ 0.00094211 = 17.7333 BTC [-]
596643;1396335899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0561202 = 0.5612 BTC [+] {5} 
596644;1396336631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91394 @ 0.00094175 = 86.0703 BTC [-] {2} 
596645;1396338907;moiety;kakobrekla: here?
596646;1396338993;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
596647;1396339000;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 482.0, vol: 19190.41597174 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 480.327, vol: 12406.03391 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 483.4699, vol: 15193.3086536 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 488.82, vol: 79.07079047 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 462.818096, vol: 4623.65040000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 491.40023, vol: 16.68824773 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 478.5824, vol: 128.77578004 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
596648;1396339017;moiety;BB :D hihi how was your weekend?
596649;1396339201;BingoBoingo;moiety: Not bad
596650;1396339306;moiety;BingoBoingo: glad to hear it :) how epic are the logs?!
596651;1396339319;BingoBoingo;moiety: They look grand today
596652;1396339321;BingoBoingo;http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/04/01/029249/dvrs-used-to-attack-synology-disk-stations-and-mine-bitcoin
596653;1396339322;ozbot;DVRs Used To Attack Synology Disk Stations and Mine Bitcoin - Slashdot
596654;1396339400;moiety;lolol "also run a bitcoin miner"
596655;1396339449;cads2;huh
596656;1396339467;cads2;I failed to be able to explain to my romanian cousin the notion of "nerd"
596657;1396339498;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1333 @ 0.0075 = 9.9975 BTC [+]
596658;1396339522;cads2;she couldn't connect the idea of someone really smart with the image of someone really socially inept
596659;1396339530;cads2;I wonder if in romania nerds simply fail to be socially inept
596660;1396339593;cads2;yes romanian nerds will hack some shit, but we'll also take some shots, snort some blow, and play with some women.
596661;1396339617;cads2;probably concurrently.
596662;1396339734;BingoBoingo;Reads so much better logified
596663;1396340257;moiety;some some some
596664;1396340259;moiety;lol
596665;1396340267;moiety;im loving this
596666;1396340338;moiety;BingoBoingo: the disappearing blogger returned again, this time to hang around and wondered where you hung around but thinks this is a bit much for him. sends his regards though
596667;1396340360;BingoBoingo;moiety: Jumpy?
596668;1396340371;moiety;yeah baby #2 on the way!
596669;1396340377;BingoBoingo;Ah
596670;1396340392;moiety;saving doge for college funds lol
596671;1396340405;moiety;i never thought id see the day
596672;1396341633;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
596673;1396342044;MisterE;BTCe doin a little April 1 funny
596674;1396342268;antephialtic;glassdoor has a decent one: http://www.glassdoor.com/blog/salaries-glassdoor-bitcoins/
596675;1396343231;MisterE;heh
596676;1396343240;bounce;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/01/mpesa_mobile_money_transfer_service_launches_in_romania/
596677;1396343546;antephialtic;but will we see MPesaEx?
596678;1396343910;MisterE;this has gotten long:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=549572.0
596679;1396344317;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.06402567 = 0.8964 BTC [+]
596680;1396344420;moiety;cant be as good as here MisterE
596681;1396344426;moiety;re btc-e
596682;1396344455;MisterE;the log?
596683;1396344467;MisterE;yea it's just upside down
596684;1396344596;*;MisterE is jumping out at 497 to book $50 profit :)
596685;1396344622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00094422 = 10.1032 BTC [+]
596686;1396345171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32150 @ 0.00094274 = 30.3091 BTC [-] {2} 
596687;1396345561;andreas_;;;ticker
596688;1396345562;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 482.28, Best ask: 482.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.71000, Last trade: 482.28, 24 hour volume: 22454.41465420, 24 hour low: 440.27, 24 hour high: 509.98, 24 hour vwap: 467.584036352
596689;1396345720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95150 @ 0.00094637 = 90.0471 BTC [+] {6} 
596690;1396346267;MisterE;;;premium btce
596691;1396346267;gribble;(premium <market1> <market2>) -- Calculate the premium of market1 over market2, using last trade price. Uses USD exchange rate. If USD is not traded on one of the target markets, queries currency conversion from google.
596692;1396346298;MisterE;;;premium btceusd
596693;1396346298;gribble;(premium <market1> <market2>) -- Calculate the premium of market1 over market2, using last trade price. Uses USD exchange rate. If USD is not traded on one of the target markets, queries currency conversion from google.
596694;1396346315;MisterE;;;premium btce bitstamp
596695;1396346316;gribble;Premium of BTC-E over Bitstamp is currently 0.945137618451 %.
596696;1396346546;VanCleef;;;premium btce huobi
596697;1396346546;gribble;Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'bitmynt', 'btsp', 'btcavg', 'krk', 'btcde', 'btce', 'bfx'].
596698;1396346557;VanCleef;racists
596699;1396346832;MisterE;lel
596700;1396347062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00094795 = 7.2992 BTC [+] {2} 
596701;1396349868;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13994 @ 0.00094124 = 13.1717 BTC [-] {2} 
596702;1396350846;chetty;http://blog.freenode.net/2014/04/googleplusfreenode/
596703;1396351160;jadne;chetty: so terrible
596704;1396351165;jadne;hardly even counts as trying
596705;1396351271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00094055 = 20.4099 BTC [-] {2} 
596706;1396351315;punkman;!t m x.eur
596707;1396351316;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00214608 / 0.0025 (3831 shares, 8.22 BTC)
596708;1396351942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31328 @ 0.00094936 = 29.7416 BTC [+] {2} 
596709;1396353650;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06597999 = 0.132 BTC [+]
596710;1396353711;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00578757 = 0.3762 BTC [+] {5} 
596711;1396353833;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05739958 = 0.1148 BTC [+]
596712;1396353875;thestringpuller;http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/bitcoin-could-revolutionize-voting
596713;1396353888;thestringpuller;;;google site:trilema.com electoral bitcoin
596714;1396353889;gribble;Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>; Wikileaks - MLXIII pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/wikileaks-mlxiii>; It working and you being competent pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/it-working-and-you-being-competent/>
596715;1396353897;thestringpuller;;;google site:trilema.com electoral system bitcoin
596716;1396353898;gribble;Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>; Why MPEx is better than fiat institutions, part 930458 : we don't use ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/why-mpex-is-better-than-fiat-institutions-part-930458-we-don%E2%80%99t-use-lube/>; It working and you being competent pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/it-working- (1 more message)
596717;1396354077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
596718;1396354247;mircea_popescu;morning good channel
596719;1396354280;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
596720;1396354282;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 476.99, Best ask: 479.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.01000, Last trade: 479.0, 24 hour volume: 24191.52407663, 24 hour low: 446.02, 24 hour high: 509.98, 24 hour vwap: 470.685034162
596721;1396354284;jurov;morning!
596722;1396354355;mircea_popescu;;;coin
596723;1396354355;gribble;heads
596724;1396354398;nubbins`;morning
596725;1396354403;nubbins`;fuckin snowpocalypse here
596726;1396354405;nubbins`;40cm overnight
596727;1396354419;thestringpuller;poor canadians
596728;1396354425;thestringpuller;they don't get spring time
596729;1396354426;nubbins`;i'm waiting for mother nature to pop out and say APRIL FOOLS LELELEL
596730;1396354452;mircea_popescu;nubbins` tis global warming.
596731;1396354475;nubbins`;one of the biggest mistakes ever was referring to man-made climate change as such
596732;1396354479;mircea_popescu;deck the halls in boughs of snowy
596733;1396354483;mircea_popescu;lalalala la la la laaa
596734;1396354508;antephialtic;in other news, coinbase may have been hacked.
596735;1396354516;mircea_popescu;i suspect one of the biggest mistakes ever would be to try and rescue the stupidity of global warming by semantics.
596736;1396354528;mircea_popescu;antephialtic myeah.
596737;1396354540;mircea_popescu;except you know, they are "professional" and thus fail to communicate.
596738;1396354563;antephialtic;they had a security issue that allowed user accounts to be enumerated, and I suspect that is the problem, that scammers are trying to combine that with fake info and sell as a real dump
596739;1396354575;antephialtic;but the hacker also has names associated with accounts
596740;1396354598;antephialtic;and offered to give password hash + last 4 digits of credit card if I pm'd him my email (which I didn't)
596741;1396354610;antephialtic;somewhat concerning
596742;1396354626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12922 @ 0.00095014 = 12.2777 BTC [+]
596743;1396354628;nubbins`;someone shared this in -otc earlier
596744;1396354628;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/RzWipJFb
596745;1396354629;ozbot;,-----.       ,--.   - Pastebin.com
596746;1396354632;antephialtic;I don't have any funds in coinbase, but they are a major point of centralization
596747;1396354641;jurov;well, i'm looking how will mircea call it when when half of oceania finally drowns
596748;1396354655;jurov;prolly he'll just call them stupid and move on
596749;1396354655;nubbins`;jurov: "all a big scam" ;p
596750;1396354661;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/450692492741320705 antephialtic :p
596751;1396354662;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/KE3CB9NVZq Today ...
596752;1396354674;nubbins`;OH MY GOD A SNOW PLOW
596753;1396354684;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: that is the aformentioned user email enumeration issue
596754;1396354686;nubbins`;don't i just feel silly for shovelling a walking path down the middle of my street
596755;1396354689;mircea_popescu;jurov half of "oceania" is what exactly, some islands ?
596756;1396354695;mircea_popescu;oceania is not a thing
596757;1396354695;antephialtic;the hackers claim to have actually pwned coinbase
596758;1396354701;jurov;oceania are islnds by definition
596759;1396354715;mircea_popescu;jurov just saying, i called it stupid and moved on when i was about 9
596760;1396354722;mircea_popescu;has nothing to do with this
596761;1396354729;jurov;ah "not a thing"... another mp's canned reply
596762;1396354772;mircea_popescu;it's not canned, i make them up fresh.
596763;1396354798;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform forwarded you some mile long email, mostly because i have no consideration for your time apparently.
596764;1396354808;mircea_popescu;but also because who knows, could be a comedy goldmine.
596765;1396354854;mircea_popescu;jurov no but seriously, what, some coral reefs ? some volcanic islands a mile wide ? this is something someone should care about ?
596766;1396354862;mircea_popescu;tickle the volcanoes, make a whole new "oceania"
596767;1396354920;mircea_popescu;antephialtic myeah.
596768;1396355004;antephialtic;anyways, its just alarming because the full name stuff is apparently real and doesn't seem possible to have been acquired by the email enumeration attack
596769;1396355022;mircea_popescu;probably leveraged it.
596770;1396355034;antephialtic;probably.
596771;1396355035;moiety;wtf freenode+
596772;1396355036;mircea_popescu;as someone said, when therer's a cockroach in plain sight, that's never the only cockroach around.
596773;1396355065;antephialtic;yeah I suppose they could have just used the emails to google for the names and then released that as a "partial dump"
596774;1396355085;antephialtic;when all they really had was the emails, and they were trying to get some idiot to buy their fake dump
596775;1396355123;jurov;http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.shtml
596776;1396355124;ozbot;Sea Level Trends - NOAA Tides & Currents
596777;1396355137;mircea_popescu;they also released the known but apparently not widely known fact that coinbase is forwarding all tx history to teh us alphabet soup on a daily basis.
596778;1396355144;jurov;here the north sees sea level going down because glaciers melt and earth goes up because of reduced weight
596779;1396355146;nubbins`;jurov: http://imgur.com/Ydmf7Xl
596780;1396355170;mircea_popescu;hahaha
596781;1396355176;nubbins`;XD
596782;1396355189;jurov;but in tropics, everyone who lives in few meters above seal level is going to have problem sooner or later
596783;1396355191;nubbins`;trying to make the best of this april 1, the weather isn't helping
596784;1396355206;jurov;nubbins` yup :)
596785;1396355208;antephialtic;mp: yeah the hacker claimed to have found a file on their server called "compliance_dailysftp.rb" that uploaded a daily dump to IRS/FinCEN/FBI
596786;1396355220;mircea_popescu;jurov everyone is going to have problems sooner or later anyway. that's the definition of problems.
596787;1396355228;antephialtic;I asked them to pastebin it, then the guy told me to fuck off :)
596788;1396355248;mircea_popescu;antephialtic there's reasons we don't trust coinbase after all.
596789;1396355250;antephialtic;the only credible thing about that was that it is known their site is implemented in ruby on rails
596790;1396355267;nubbins`;what site isn't?!
596791;1396355269;mircea_popescu;no, i'll certify it if you care.
596792;1396355269;nubbins`;(lel)
596793;1396355273;jurov;as long as the problem don't cause mass migrations, it's fine
596794;1396355290;mircea_popescu;jurov well mass migrations out of oceania seems to be against your definition of oceania
596795;1396355297;mircea_popescu;mass migrations out of the tropics have been a thing since the 50s
596796;1396355299;mircea_popescu;the 1850s.
596797;1396355305;jurov;southeast asia will be the next
596798;1396355311;mircea_popescu;because the tropics suck ass, because they had run a welfare system for centuries.
596799;1396355340;nubbins`;i, for one, am looking forward to warmer summers, if not a drastic increase in the price of food
596800;1396355340;jurov;nubbins`: you forgot to draw welfare/socialist button
596801;1396355350;nubbins`;jurov i wanted to strike while the iron was hot ;(
596802;1396355357;nubbins`;i even forgot the "global warming" button
596803;1396355358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04463333 = 0.2678 BTC [-] {3} 
596804;1396355360;mircea_popescu;nubbins` ya srsly, how about you make a much bigger board ? this topic deserves some attention
596805;1396355419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05560027 = 0.1668 BTC [-]
596806;1396355425;nubbins`;anyway, re: global warming, what are ya, michael crichton? ;p
596807;1396355467;mircea_popescu;who's that ?
596808;1396355486;mircea_popescu;"was an American best-selling author"
596809;1396355496;mircea_popescu;by now that's pretty much become my "close page" cue
596810;1396355507;nubbins`;heh.
596811;1396355513;nubbins`;read his book "state of fear", you'd love it
596812;1396355526;nubbins`;he wrote jurassic park, among others
596813;1396355535;nubbins`;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Fear
596814;1396355536;ozbot;State of Fear - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
596815;1396355562;nubbins`;"Most climate scientists dispute Crichton's science as being error-filled and distorted,[1][2][3][4][5][6] and it was described as "pure porn for global warming deniers" by one skeptical science journalist. [7]"
596816;1396355599;mircea_popescu;anyway. me leling at the pseudoscience of others does not promote me to the rank of pseudoscience author.
596817;1396355630;nubbins`;crichton was interesting in that he's the only novelist i can think of who included a lengthy bibliography in each book
596818;1396355668;nubbins`;"In March 2006, [journalist Michael] Crowley wrote a strongly critical review of State of Fear, focusing on Crichton's stance on global warming. In the same year, Crichton published the novel Next, which contains a minor character named "Mick Crowley", who is a Yale graduate and a Washington D.C.based political columnist. The character was portrayed as a child molester with a small penis. The
596819;1396355668;nubbins`;character does not appear elsewhere in the book."
596820;1396355698;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
596821;1396355708;mircea_popescu;this i can get behind.
596822;1396355806;nubbins`;anyway, lels aside, he wrote good fiction. his early stuff -- the andromeda strain, the terminal man, the great train robbery, eaters of the dead, congo... all good
596823;1396355827;nubbins`;almost all of his novels were eventually made into shitty movies, ghosts of their former selves
596824;1396355830;nubbins`;but that's the way it goes
596825;1396355858;mircea_popescu;not necessarily.
596826;1396355865;mircea_popescu;you don't HAVE TO option the book
596827;1396355873;nubbins`;well, ^
596828;1396355886;mircea_popescu;not anymore than you have to be "professional" on tardstalk or w/e.
596829;1396355892;nubbins`;you don't HAVE TO write your critics into subsequent novels as micro-dick diddlers either :D
596830;1396355900;mircea_popescu;no, that you have to do.
596831;1396355906;nubbins`;heh.
596832;1396355922;mircea_popescu;there's haves and then there's have nots, see ?
596833;1396355944;antephialtic;any of you ever read jonathan carroll?
596834;1396355946;nubbins`;^ is that a button or a switch? ;D
596835;1396355966;nubbins`;ante nope
596836;1396355978;mircea_popescu;nubbins` lmao the switch is in here : http://trilema.com/2011/cum-se-bate-femeia/
596837;1396355978;nubbins`;name a good one
596838;1396355982;antephialtic;surrealist fiction. highly enjoyable. I recommend the Land of Laughs
596839;1396355990;nubbins`;heh!
596840;1396356020;antephialtic;its a bit sentimental for the crypto-anarchist type, but I enjoy it nonetheless
596841;1396356029;mircea_popescu;kinda looking forward to a full edition mp space cadet kbd.
596842;1396356081;nubbins`;antephialtic: as someone who's into g.g. marquez, i don't mind sentimentalism or surrealism ;D
596843;1396356090;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 89 @ 0.0055011 = 0.4896 BTC [+] {3} 
596844;1396356123;nubbins`;snowplow just came and pushed the contents of the street back onto my front step. gotta get back outside
596845;1396356151;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.0058419 = 0.4381 BTC [+] {2} 
596846;1396356217;mircea_popescu;enjoy!
596847;1396356241;antephialtic;random question: anyone ever tried to reset satoshi's email password before? only required info is birthdate
596848;1396356266;antephialtic;i doubt he was dumb enough to leave any identifying info there, but it would be interesting nonetheless
596849;1396356320;mircea_popescu;well how would we know what someone tried ?
596850;1396356326;mircea_popescu;have you ?
596851;1396356847;antephialtic;i've tried before, but after 3 (uninformed) guesses, the account got temporarily locked. Seems pretty reasonable to do over a long period of time (assuming gmx isn't smart enough to stop it)
596852;1396356858;antephialtic;it would probably be easier to just bribe a gmx employee
596853;1396356944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61754 = 1.2351 BTC [+] {2} 
596854;1396356946;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/609/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall#b32
596855;1396356950;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty to fall
596856;1396356953;mircea_popescu;check that shit out. falling, srsly ?
596857;1396357298;chetty;http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/03/31/covered-california-sends-deaf-callers-to-hotline-offering-hot-ladies/
596858;1396357298;ozbot;Covered California Sends Deaf Callers To Hotline Offering ‘Hot Ladies’ « CBS Sacramento
596859;1396357428;antephialtic;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/02/world/middleeast/jonathan-pollard.html?hp
596860;1396357468;antephialtic;man, israel just owns the US. How is it that Israel and Palestine are the ones in conflict, yet, the US is making concessions??
596861;1396357473;mircea_popescu;the new and much easier to read mpoe statement :
596862;1396357473;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-march-2014-statement/
596863;1396357475;ozbot;MPOE, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
596864;1396357483;mircea_popescu;antephialtic gotta pay to play.
596865;1396357497;antephialtic;this is analogous to the judge allowing Charlie Shrem to bang his daughter in exchange for him accepting a plea bargain
596866;1396357508;antephialtic;makes no sense.
596867;1396357601;jurov;mpoe-pr no more????
596868;1396357611;chetty;Kerry want to claim he made mideast peace
596869;1396357639;mircea_popescu;jurov aye.
596870;1396357682;asciilifeform;i thought she just moved to new forum?
596871;1396357703;mircea_popescu;antephialtic no, it's much more like the judge allowing the two unkempt youths fuck his teenaged daughter in exchange of not having his car all scratched up.
596872;1396357711;pLambert;does she still get paid even though she got banned?
596873;1396357728;mircea_popescu;pLambert well she didn't get banned in march
596874;1396357744;mircea_popescu;what am i going to do, run mr scrooge's offices over here ?
596875;1396357746;pLambert;depends on where you live
596876;1396357778;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform she wants a break.
596877;1396357781;pLambert;Isn't that how you get rich, byy acting like scrooge? ;)
596878;1396357785;mircea_popescu;nah.
596879;1396357791;mircea_popescu;i got rich by acting like gotti.
596880;1396357839;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i marvel that she lasted this long - my dosimeter turns full black from just reading that phorum for a few min.
596881;1396357853;mircea_popescu;two years just about
596882;1396357855;mircea_popescu;actually...
596883;1396357881;mircea_popescu;hum the forum's down
596884;1396357887;mircea_popescu;but yes, feb 27th. she made it 25 months.
596885;1396357920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 28 @ 0.00415917 = 0.1165 BTC [+] {8} 
596886;1396357986;mircea_popescu;!t hl rent
596887;1396357987;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00714000 / 0.00749986 / 0.00750000 (15688 shares, 117.65784000 BTC), 7D: 0.00525030 / 0.00721312 / 0.00750000 (20401 shares, 147.15492901 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.0061131 / 0.00900001 (61828 shares, 377.96051440 BTC)
596888;1396358047;ColdHardMetal;I'd say you got your money's worth.
596889;1396358112;mircea_popescu;ColdHardMetal always a risky proposition, bitcoin divestment for fiat. who knows, maybe in a decade i live to regret it :p
596890;1396358143;ColdHardMetal;we can only hope :)
596891;1396358157;mircea_popescu;the strange things we hope for.
596892;1396358263;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
596893;1396358264;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0009404 / 0.0009483 / 0.00095556 (1585392 shares, 1,503.43 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094386 / 0.00095875 (6748749 shares, 6,369.90 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087539 / 0.00096 (29415142 shares, 25,749.77 BTC)
596894;1396358391;jurov;⚠ URGENT: Сoinbase hacked. We just sent you a request to pay 999999.99999999 BTC (worth €354,414,446.99 EUR) using Coinbase.
596895;1396358392;jurov;Click here to sign in and complete this payment LOLOLOLOL
596896;1396358398;mircea_popescu;derp.
596897;1396358403;jurov;funniest scam i have seen recently
596898;1396358416;mircea_popescu;it's not really a scam
596899;1396358426;mircea_popescu;well... i mean.... uh.
596900;1396358453;mircea_popescu;it is a scam, obviously. it's not without coinbase's involvement tho, which is what i mean. htey're using the same infrastructure a legit merchant would be using.
596901;1396358463;ColdHardMetal;I got one of those from: fuckingspammer@mailinator.com at least they're forthright about it.
596902;1396358473;moiety;i thought it was an april fools thing because of the ridiculously high numbers
596903;1396358482;moiety;and the emails
596904;1396358493;jurov;moiety and you clicked, just for fun?
596905;1396358510;moiety;i dont use coinbase lol someone showed me what they got
596906;1396358530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21029 @ 0.0009404 = 19.7757 BTC [-]
596907;1396358558;mircea_popescu;twitter's been going pretty nuts over my repaste there.
596908;1396358649;moiety;tweeter? i havent been today yet
596909;1396358666;moiety;lies i did earlier
596910;1396358713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.064 = 0.128 BTC [-]
596911;1396358777;moiety;http://i.imgur.com/NCBsGMt.png?1 thats the coinbase snip i was shown
596912;1396358818;jurov;i received exactly the text i pasted (minus the trailing LOLOLOL)
596913;1396358837;cazalla;any truth to this? http://pastebin.com/RzWipJFb
596914;1396358843;cazalla;"Coinbase provides your full transaction history to the FBI, FinCEN and IRS every day. They are under a gag order."
596915;1396358901;mircea_popescu;cazalla log ?
596916;1396358935;thestringpuller;damn
596917;1396358944;thestringpuller;guess I'm bitcoins on the street for now on
596918;1396358947;VanCleef;thats pretty messed up if true
596919;1396358962;cazalla;mircea_popescu: it was on front page of /r/bitcoin
596920;1396358988;mircea_popescu;no i mean, the answer to your q is in teh log.
596921;1396358991;cazalla;maybe someone is just taking advantage of the leaked emails to spread more bullshit
596922;1396358998;mircea_popescu;notrly.
596923;1396359006;cazalla;yeah, i'm behind
596924;1396359008;mircea_popescu;there's a reason we don't trust the bitcoin scam foundation bunch.
596925;1396359072;antephialtic;here's a short convo I had with the hacker
596926;1396359074;antephialtic;http://0bin.net/paste/hzZBFHPDAbQwhsD2#vKhxu0kyCg8fFDyoU4ERmG8vyr0KK0xrO/3cqJ+lRLI=
596927;1396359075;ozbot;0bin - encrypted pastebin
596928;1396359085;antephialtic;or, rather his messenger
596929;1396359115;antephialtic;(obviously I wasn't going to buy the dump)
596930;1396359121;antephialtic;just wanted to see if the hack was real
596931;1396359130;cazalla;ah, nubbins` already posted it, mb
596932;1396359156;ThickAsThieves;coinbase joke is stupid
596933;1396359207;VanCleef;so it is a joke tat?
596934;1396359423;ThickAsThieves;obv
596935;1396359454;ThickAsThieves;they were so scared people would think it was real they put hack in the subject of the email
596936;1396359476;ThickAsThieves;the point of April Fools is for the target to think it's real
596937;1396359499;ThickAsThieves;it's like Troll Appreciation Day
596938;1396359528;VanCleef;well 10 chinese bitcoiners did get executed today by the chinese gov, i don't think they're laughing
596939;1396359610;ThickAsThieves;no, but they are happy
596940;1396359670;cazalla;VanCleef: I googled that - chinese bitcoiners executed, first result is a laugh
596941;1396359677;cazalla;"Bitcoiners prefer finance and kindles to sex"
596942;1396359727;jurov;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2593755/The-subway-train-climb-skyscraper-Radical-new-concept-vertical-stations-New-york-London.html
596943;1396359727;ozbot;Hyper Speed Vertical Train Hub proposed for New York and London | Mail Online
596944;1396359730;VanCleef;reading
596945;1396359730;jurov;lol
596946;1396359747;jurov;the illustrations with the birds...
596947;1396359981;mircea_popescu;look kakobrekla now your ?trick is immortalised : https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/450987172683055104
596948;1396360055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.0009405 = 8.9818 BTC [+]
596949;1396360515;moiety;ThickAsThieves: i thought as much because of the emails and the fact all the amounts were so stupidly high
596950;1396360609;ThickAsThieves;question, why are US capital gains tax tiers gated by the one-year term? and is it appropriate to apply such to bitcoin under those reasons.
596951;1396360647;VanCleef;i think its obamas fault
596952;1396360665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11864 @ 0.00094407 = 11.2004 BTC [+] {2} 
596953;1396360668;ThickAsThieves;i assume it's to promote longer terms of invetsment, but is that to benefit the dollar itself, or to promote longer-term invetsments in the economy of the country?
596954;1396361082;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you really must ask a tax accountant that.
596955;1396361092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00094039 = 9.4979 BTC [-] {2} 
596956;1396361117;mircea_popescu;my own guess would be that it's one of those quirks that end up in legislation of dual party systems
596957;1396361131;mircea_popescu;ie, some nonsense both sides were too tired and too tied down other places to argue
596958;1396361174;antephialtic;as you said, its to incentivize long term investment over short term speculation
596959;1396361196;ThickAsThieves;wow i thought youd have the usual make-me-feel-like-an-idiot answer
596960;1396361205;ThickAsThieves;i am disappoint
596961;1396361209;ThickAsThieves;:)
596962;1396361230;mircea_popescu;lol nubbins` add a switch pls.
596963;1396361232;ThickAsThieves;antephialtic, but why
596964;1396361259;nubbins`;you are [an idiot/wasting my time/first against the wall when i am king]
596965;1396361265;antephialtic;because old people who vote tend to buy and hold over the long term. but uncle sam wants some of those sweet profits from the prop traders on wall street
596966;1396361288;ThickAsThieves;i doubt thats the reason on record
596967;1396361293;antephialtic;and as a form of social engineering to make the capital markets more stable
596968;1396361299;mircea_popescu;sooo.... someone just sent a 2btc donation to mah trilema credits address ?
596969;1396361302;mircea_popescu;ty, kind sir.
596970;1396361313;ThickAsThieves;it would seem it promotes/protects inflation somewhat
596971;1396361321;mircea_popescu;nubbins` no, more like "if you throw this the op feels like an idiot"
596972;1396361326;nubbins`;heh
596973;1396361331;nubbins`;tat this is related to http://imgur.com/Ydmf7Xl
596974;1396361359;nubbins`;TBH "bitcoin is here to cum" might be my favourite
596975;1396361370;the20year2;Major news : Berkshire hathaway acquires RENT.
596976;1396361396;mircea_popescu;i thought they just bought the month of april.
596977;1396361421;the20year2;Just april the 1st
596978;1396361430;ThickAsThieves;har har
596979;1396361458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00094465 = 33.8185 BTC [+] {2} 
596980;1396361460;mircea_popescu;nubbins` do you have a @twitter or too hipster for THAT too, in adition to atc ?
596981;1396361494;nubbins`;https://twitter.com/jon_keefe mostly abandoned
596982;1396361495;ozbot;JK (jon_keefe) on Twitter
596983;1396361498;mircea_popescu;MPOE-PR : "whai are you a muffin of pubic hair with a sausage finger?!"
596984;1396361512;mircea_popescu;the obvious answer being, "because that's what nubbins` makes : sausages"
596985;1396361515;nubbins`;heh.
596986;1396361522;nubbins`;that's your beard
596987;1396361525;nubbins`;overhead shot obv
596988;1396361543;nubbins`;why is mpoe-pr a muffin of pubic hair with a sausage finger?
596989;1396361544;nubbins`;;D
596990;1396361582;mircea_popescu;lol
596991;1396361655;mircea_popescu;the log's even better : mircea_popescu: a hair MPOE-PR you "whai : are of sausage a finger?!" pubic with muffin
596992;1396361655;mircea_popescu;14:11:52
596993;1396361655;mircea_popescu;mircea_popescu: makes nubbins` that's : being, obvious answer sausages" "because the what
596994;1396361740;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2014#596613 ftw
596995;1396361743;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
596996;1396361752;mircea_popescu;;;later tell decimation epic quote, i shall use it!
596997;1396361752;gribble;The operation succeeded.
596998;1396362089;mircea_popescu;so lemme push everyone's favourite button then.
596999;1396362090;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/c8a06a01154cdf78222c69e79f4190f4/tumblr_mj8qtnW5CH1s7eb1eo1_500.jpg
597000;1396362133;nubbins`;haha
597001;1396362171;locksmith;dude my girlfriend's sitting 1 inch from me
597002;1396362187;nubbins`;better stop clicking links then
597003;1396362189;ThickAsThieves;welcome to the internet, gf
597004;1396362197;mircea_popescu;why so short ?
597005;1396362200;mircea_popescu;1 inch isn't much
597006;1396362216;ThickAsThieves;it's the leftove rinch
597007;1396362222;nubbins`;14:22:51locksmith:inch from me sitting dude my girlfriend's 1
597008;1396362232;locksmith;haahhaahah
597009;1396362239;mircea_popescu;lol good one tat.
597010;1396362260;mircea_popescu;locksmith http://trilema.com/2014/cunt-size-discussion-this-is-guaranteed-to-be-weird/ << read her that for a bedtime story.
597011;1396362291;ThickAsThieves;"inside" jokes ftw
597012;1396362312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.61995572 = 11.7792 BTC [+] {5} 
597013;1396362333;ThickAsThieves;in other news: http://www.newsit.com.cy/default.php?pname=Article&art_id=134250&catid=31
597014;1396362349;locksmith;just read the article as well, I can translate it for anyone interested
597015;1396362368;mircea_popescu;locksmith go ahead
597016;1396362372;mircea_popescu;summary tho pls.
597017;1396362391;locksmith;yep. (it's saying stuff discussed over at btctalk but whatever)
597018;1396362403;locksmith;title: "NeoBee ceo nowhere to be found"
597019;1396362429;locksmith;- trading of company's stock halted
597020;1396362430;moiety;http://imgur.com/blog/2014/03/31/introducing-imgur-viralizer/
597021;1396362431;ozbot;imgur: the simple imgur blog
597022;1396362470;mircea_popescu;wouldn't it be ironic if neobee ends up getting more press for free now than they got back when they were paying for it ?
597023;1396362484;locksmith;they're saying that them (newsit.com,cy) as well as Politis newspaper tried to contact the company and could not get ahodl of them
597024;1396362495;novusordo;"Coinbase provides your full transaction history to the FBI, FinCEN and IRS every day. They are under a gag order."
597025;1396362498;antephialtic;TaT: do you actually know why the shares stopped trading?
597026;1396362525;ThickAsThieves;i believe a reason was given publically, no?
597027;1396362544;locksmith;also the article goes on and on wondering how many people danny took money from
597028;1396362568;locksmith;and then just translates bits and pieces from the coindesk article
597029;1396362573;mircea_popescu;locksmith hopefully they don't keep on with this or else maged might ban newsit.com.cy
597030;1396362579;locksmith;including danny's supposed "quote"
597031;1396362581;antephialtic;"questionable trading"
597032;1396362593;antephialtic;... what really happened
597033;1396362606;mircea_popescu;antephialtic my own theory, as a completely uninvolved observer, is this :
597034;1396362632;mircea_popescu;havelock is under a lot of pressure because all their scammy assets are turning into a visible loss, so rather than man up to it they prefer to simply close trading as the bubbles pop.
597035;1396362677;VanCleef;i think havelock will close down sometime this year
597036;1396362678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18240 @ 0.00094769 = 17.2859 BTC [+] {3} 
597037;1396362682;ThickAsThieves;Neo compliance officer did make a formal recommendation to halt
597038;1396362696;locksmith;I'm an uninvolved observer as well but have 2 individual sources within Neo. the hard truth is that for the past week the employees could not get ahold of DB, and their paychecks will probably not be met for the month of March (they haven't been paid yet from what I know)
597039;1396362697;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/
597040;1396362699;ozbot;BitBet - And Then There Was One
597041;1396362718;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves locksmith these things seem a little contradictory.
597042;1396362722;antephialtic;(also uninvolved, just curious)
597043;1396362777;antephialtic;locksmith, seems like a very elaborate scam, no? why not just steal all the money after the IPO, why go to all the trouble of building a storefront and advertising, etc.
597044;1396362797;mircea_popescu;antephialtic i dunno that scam was ever seriously argued other than as a technicality.
597045;1396362806;antephialtic;and MP, that explains the trading freeze, not the disappearance of the CEO
597046;1396362844;antephialtic;regardless of the tradeing being stopped, surely a competent/engaged CEO would have issued a statement to reassure investors?
597047;1396362844;locksmith;I haven't called scam. all I'm saying is that they got to a point where they can't pay back their creditors. i.e. they owe over 150,000 euros to their marketing/pr firm Telia & Pavla BBDO
597048;1396362869;antephialtic;what about all the capital they raised?
597049;1396362874;antephialtic;down the toilet?
597050;1396362876;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/21x29e/a_new_forum_or_board_is_required/ WE BELIEVE
597051;1396362877;ozbot;A new forum or board is required : neobee
597052;1396362898;mircea_popescu;antephialtic didja read the http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/ ?
597053;1396362918;antephialtic;mp: will do
597054;1396362932;antephialtic;just sayin, whatever the issue is, it isn't solely with havelock
597055;1396362932;jurov;^ just posted clear example
597056;1396362950;antephialtic;ain't no drama like bitcoin drama
597057;1396362959;mircea_popescu;kinda why the price is up i guess.
597058;1396362965;mircea_popescu;bitcoin, still backed by lulz and drama.
597059;1396362976;jurov;yes, neobee causing bitcoin to soar
597060;1396363021;locksmith;also, something not said anywhere else: danny announced to his employees on thursday the 13th that he was left in his wallet with 100btc while someone overlooked into his pc and saw a bitstamp account with WAY more than that
597061;1396363033;antephialtic;bitcoin is a fractal of entertaining scams
597062;1396363087;lewicki;breaking the bitstamp 2fa is no small feet...
597063;1396363121;locksmith;I wouldn't be surprised if he was also deep into the karpeles thing, he was looking into a flight to go to japan from cyprus through dubai and couldn't find connecting flights at dubai
597064;1396363152;locksmith;lewicki - his account was locked in and someone saw it when danny was still on his pc
597065;1396363178;locksmith;all this are rumours of course, just to keep us entertained as the tower crumbles.
597066;1396363182;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
597067;1396363182;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00094007 / 0.00094763 / 0.00095556 (1579375 shares, 1,496.67 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094377 / 0.00095875 (6788064 shares, 6,406.40 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087566 / 0.00096 (29481818 shares, 25,816.18 BTC)
597068;1396363182;mircea_popescu;locksmith well sure, the guy kept trying to buy relevancy, first with his clueless stumble into the bf thing, then probably derping around mtgox,
597069;1396363205;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller report was out earlier btw.
597070;1396363215;thestringpuller;yea read it, poor mpoe-pr
597071;1396363227;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06687999 = 0.2006 BTC [+]
597072;1396363228;thestringpuller;she's taking a break you said?
597073;1396363253;mircea_popescu;well originally it was ok, so moving over to .lk, but then she was like listen, can i have some time off nao ?
597074;1396363273;mircea_popescu;and i really don't see how i could've said no.
597075;1396363293;ThickAsThieves;things have a way of working themselves out sometimes
597076;1396363302;mircea_popescu;indubitably.
597077;1396363303;ThickAsThieves;she'll come back to obvious purpose prolly
597078;1396363333;thestringpuller;MPOE-PR deserves a holiday.
597079;1396363345;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as any person deserves their sanity.
597080;1396363366;mircea_popescu;i know few people who could've done it, what she did
597081;1396363367;mircea_popescu;and they're all women.
597082;1396363384;jurov;yes, she deserves. and yes
597083;1396364020;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 77 @ 0.00162119 = 0.1248 BTC [-] {13} 
597084;1396364142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34528 @ 0.00094967 = 32.7902 BTC [+] {2} 
597085;1396364193;mircea_popescu;;;later tell cads no, it's not that romanian nerds fail to be socially inept. is that romanian teenage queens fail to be socially apt, and so the nerds have no contrasting background to stand out against.
597086;1396364193;gribble;The operation succeeded.
597087;1396364257;mircea_popescu;moiety wait, you're pregnant ?!
597088;1396364319;moiety;lolol! no i was passing on news about someone else, mircea_popescu XD
597089;1396364341;mircea_popescu;http://rt.com/news/britain-law-children-abuse-405/ < derpiest 1st of april thing yet.
597090;1396364391;chetty;only problem is - it is not a joke :(
597091;1396364427;mircea_popescu;nubbins` the part i don't understand are the bottom left buttons. an d and an a ? whay ?
597092;1396364428;moiety;"making them a scapegoat" - thought thats one of the reasons for having kids?
597093;1396364437;nubbins`;that's an O and an A
597094;1396364460;nubbins`;'cause you're always saying "a a now i get it" or "o"
597095;1396364464;chetty;moiety, +1
597096;1396364492;nubbins`;as someone who grew up with these words being spelled "ah" and "oh", respectively, this always struck me as quaint
597097;1396364523;mircea_popescu;oic
597098;1396364545;mike_c;btcalpha accountants say:  mpoe march revenue should be 180.37141356, not 139.62178334
597099;1396364554;mircea_popescu;well my a is an ah, but my o isn't really an oh. much more acute.
597100;1396364582;mircea_popescu;mike_c btcalpha accountants are indeed wise.
597101;1396364593;mike_c;buncha pencil pushers
597102;1396364621;moiety;i grew up with it spelt oh but i keep typing o since coming here lol
597103;1396364649;mircea_popescu;well mohiety, that'd be because you're flexible.
597104;1396364696;nubbins`;heh
597105;1396364705;nubbins`;mirceah pohpescu
597106;1396364767;nubbins`;time for shovelling (round 5)
597107;1396364790;mircea_popescu;nubbins` did i ever tell you about that one time i had to do it ?
597108;1396364817;moiety;lolol
597109;1396364837;mircea_popescu;http://gawker.com/does-mt-goxs-ceo-have-a-secret-history-of-online-payme-1534752110
597110;1396364837;ozbot;Does Mt.Gox's CEO Have a Secret History of Committing Fraud?
597111;1396364847;mircea_popescu;at the risk of beating a dead, if fat, horse.
597112;1396364859;moiety;my friend dug out a race track for his dog in his garden
597113;1396364865;VanCleef;short answer, yes
597114;1396364876;VanCleef;very dodgy character
597115;1396364963;mircea_popescu;davout / pankkake what'd be your english rendition of "souricière" ?
597116;1396364979;davout;mousetrap?
597117;1396365024;mircea_popescu;well obviously
597118;1396365045;mircea_popescu;is it the lock-up in the police station where they keep people pre-warrant ?
597119;1396365052;davout;yes, that too
597120;1396365068;mircea_popescu;gawker's french is worse than mine.
597121;1396365119;mircea_popescu;you'd think, you know, for some progressive libtards wearing no bras because their mothers burned them in paris in 68
597122;1396365127;mircea_popescu;they'd have a more cursive mastery of that language.
597123;1396365136;davout;whatcha referring to?
597124;1396365142;mircea_popescu;earlier linked piece
597125;1396365148;mircea_popescu;http://gawker.com/does-mt-goxs-ceo-have-a-secret-history-of-online-payme-1534752110
597126;1396365149;ozbot;Does Mt.Gox's CEO Have a Secret History of Committing Fraud?
597127;1396365150;davout;ah
597128;1396365182;davout;yes, they got the souricière thing wrong
597129;1396365200;davout;it doesn't refer to entrapment but more to the cell itself
597130;1396365208;mircea_popescu;right.
597131;1396365209;mircea_popescu;"The Bitcoin community will surely learn a number of lessons from the Mt. Gox disaster, and here is a simple one: when investing in Bitcoin, make sure the guy you're trusting with your money doesn't have a secret past committing fraud. Even if that means finding someone who knows French."
597132;1396365215;mircea_popescu;that part at least is workable.
597133;1396365221;mircea_popescu;though they should take their own advice :D
597134;1396365230;davout;yes, the bitcoin community totally has a history of learning from lessons
597135;1396365272;mircea_popescu;vaguely related,
597136;1396365272;mircea_popescu;http://gawkersucks.blogspot.ro/2013/01/hey-jordan-sargent-fix-your-article.html
597137;1396365273;ozbot;Gawker Sucks: Hey Jordan Sargent: Fix your article
597138;1396365301;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06689832 = 0.4014 BTC [+] {3} 
597139;1396365454;jurov;lol that's like "make sure you don't disclose anything to secret agent"
597140;1396365545;aclot;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21xcde/neo_bee_employees_unpaid_and_unable_to_contact/
597141;1396365575;aclot;:)
597142;1396365592;antephialtic;http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/21xfdf/is_it_possible_the_person_selling_those_shares/
597143;1396365592;ozbot;Is it possible the person selling those shares was Danny Brewster? : neobee
597144;1396365610;antephialtic;lulz
597145;1396365614;aclot;bwah
597146;1396365656;mircea_popescu;much lol.
597147;1396365723;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21xcde/neo_bee_employees_unpaid_and_unable_to_contact/cghcvfn
597148;1396365724;ozbot;JuicyGrabs comments on Neo & Bee employees unpaid and unable to contact CEO @BtcDanny
597149;1396365725;mircea_popescu;i like that part.
597150;1396365816;mircea_popescu;for my numerous crimes of having known about various future pops months/weeks in advance, i shall henceforth be known as mp_goldstein
597151;1396365888;antephialtic;<JuicyGrabs> I didn't "lose" anything because I don't invest for short term and to be swayed by trolls and paid shills. I used this chance to buy more.
597152;1396365956;VanCleef;mp_steinberg
597153;1396365994;mircea_popescu;which steinberg ?
597154;1396366001;chetty;mp_nostradamos
597155;1396366022;mircea_popescu;antephialtic he's fine, his investment is for the longest term.
597156;1396366035;antephialtic;infinite term.
597157;1396366077;jurov;till death do us part
597158;1396366107;mircea_popescu;st peter's book of investments.
597159;1396366276;antephialtic;they should have named the company herp & derp
597160;1396366342;mircea_popescu;the neo forum name was taken
597161;1396366420;mircea_popescu;soo, someone had pointed out an error with the bitbet dividend last month ?
597162;1396366533;ThickAsThieves;seems somewhat frequent to have numbers errors in mpex reports/divs
597163;1396366556;mircea_popescu;yup
597164;1396366573;ThickAsThieves;testing your devotees?
597165;1396366591;mircea_popescu;well i think there's less error here than the average, really
597166;1396366594;chetty;his calculator needs new batteries
597167;1396366597;mircea_popescu;just that my shit gets caught all the time
597168;1396366702;ThickAsThieves;ive removed btctalk from my bookmarks
597169;1396366715;ThickAsThieves;feels good to not check it anymore
597170;1396366826;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00583019 = 0.1049 BTC [+]
597171;1396366856;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-march-2014-statement/
597172;1396366858;ozbot;BitBet, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
597173;1396366877;ThickAsThieves;i see an error!
597174;1396366887;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06400204 = 0.32 BTC [-]
597175;1396366911;mircea_popescu;what!
597176;1396366916;ThickAsThieves;April Fool's!
597177;1396366921;mircea_popescu;god dangit
597178;1396366926;ThickAsThieves;:)
597179;1396366954;ThickAsThieves;"It’s just fingershaped happenstance."
597180;1396366957;ThickAsThieves;lol
597181;1396366995;mircea_popescu;also since we're on bitbet, and since ppl are asking like http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/#c2703
597182;1396367011;mircea_popescu;anyone bored could make a tool to add up the balances in publicly displayed addies as an open audit thing
597183;1396367037;ThickAsThieves;tell kako to use the beer fund
597184;1396367049;ThickAsThieves;or bitbet's, more appropriately
597185;1396367055;ThickAsThieves;seems a worthy cause
597186;1396367058;mircea_popescu;course this probably understates bitbet controlled btc, seeing how if a large chunk is used to make a small payment the remainder is still bitbet's, but anyway
597187;1396367068;ThickAsThieves;could provide a constant link to dynamic audit
597188;1396367069;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well if it's house-released it's not the same thing
597189;1396367070;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06400204 = 0.32 BTC [-]
597190;1396367072;ThickAsThieves;pretty fancy really
597191;1396367085;mircea_popescu;i'd rather decentralize etc.
597192;1396367103;ThickAsThieves;blockchain is already decentralized, dont be so forumite
597193;1396367110;mircea_popescu;people are constantly asking "well how to acquire respek and a wot weight". this is *precisely* how
597194;1396367152;ThickAsThieves;the only centralized part is bitbet expenses and disclosure
597195;1396367169;mircea_popescu;lurk here, pick one of these that's a good fit for you and run with it. they're like... at LEAST weekly occurences.
597196;1396367169;ThickAsThieves;the rest could be blockchain-dynamic
597197;1396367195;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves expenses aren't really that centralised. i mean which lines ?
597198;1396367200;mircea_popescu;house bets made is public,
597199;1396367208;mircea_popescu;rectifications are public,
597200;1396367221;mircea_popescu;referrals i guess aren't public.
597201;1396367224;ThickAsThieves;expenses?
597202;1396367241;ThickAsThieves;i just mean why stop at proving you have the coins
597203;1396367247;ThickAsThieves;your whole book could be dynamic
597204;1396367251;mircea_popescu;sure.
597205;1396367253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16984 @ 0.00094075 = 15.9777 BTC [-]
597206;1396367266;benkay;derpstributed application bitbet
597207;1396367292;ThickAsThieves;provably solvent
597208;1396367295;ThickAsThieves;provably fair
597209;1396367300;ThickAsThieves;provably homosexual
597210;1396367301;ThickAsThieves;etc
597211;1396367303;mircea_popescu;provably fucking your wife
597212;1396367308;ThickAsThieves;too slow!
597213;1396367310;mircea_popescu;darn
597214;1396367360;mircea_popescu;this discussion reads a lolt better in the lolg.
597215;1396367497;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06869731 = 0.3435 BTC [+]
597216;1396367499;benkay;bitbet is now a dac
597217;1396367502;benkay;april fewls
597218;1396367513;antephialtic;http://projectbullrun.org/dual-ec/index.html
597219;1396367514;ozbot;Dual EC DRBG
597220;1396367541;antephialtic;nice writup of NSA fucking up all the codez
597221;1396367574;mircea_popescu;dac ?
597222;1396367588;antephialtic;"Adamantiadis' code recovers the state from 30 output bytes within 12.1 seconds on the reference CPU."
597223;1396367598;benkay;distributed autonomous corporation
597224;1396367614;benkay;it'd be soooo lulzy to get -pr to troll btctalk with that
597225;1396367616;benkay;SO LULZ
597226;1396367619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0686973 = 0.7557 BTC [-] {4} 
597227;1396367625;benkay;bitcoin might go up 100 dollars on the lulz
597228;1396367657;benkay;"popescu reverses stance on colored coins"
597229;1396367669;benkay;"ethereum ready for big boy time"
597230;1396367679;mircea_popescu;oh lol
597231;1396367690;benkay;be great
597232;1396367700;ThickAsThieves;just buy ethereum to kill it
597233;1396367717;ThickAsThieves;show how weak it is and teach its supporters
597234;1396367717;benkay;no its too good
597235;1396367722;mircea_popescu;they're killing it just fine on its own
597236;1396367724;mircea_popescu;why give them money.
597237;1396367801;ThickAsThieves;https://twitter.com/jonwaller/status/449909784419270656/photo/1
597238;1396367802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00094017 = 37.4188 BTC [-] {2} 
597239;1396367802;ozbot;Twitter / jonwaller: We had a great #Ethereum ...
597240;1396367805;ThickAsThieves;severe lack of beards
597241;1396367824;mircea_popescu;some beards grow inside the neck.
597242;1396367839;punkman1;beards = trust
597243;1396367852;ThickAsThieves;programming with their tablets
597244;1396367853;mircea_popescu;what the fuck would be going through a weirdo's mind that sported an OHIO tshirt
597245;1396367855;punkman1;MP's glorious beard being the most trustworthy
597246;1396367865;mircea_popescu;i mean, obscure band, i can see. you're hoping to hop the solist/celist
597247;1396367870;mircea_popescu;but obscure state ?!
597248;1396367873;ThickAsThieves;read the shirt though
597249;1396367896;mircea_popescu;ok it got even lamer.
597250;1396367944;ThickAsThieves;a-ha! https://twitter.com/FixmypcRo/status/447036724569702401/photo/1
597251;1396367960;ThickAsThieves;all their beards combined into one
597252;1396367985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.47941077 BTC to 4`937 shares, 50221 satoshi per share
597253;1396367986;mircea_popescu;sheeeit
597254;1396367997;mircea_popescu;that looks just like my pubic hair.
597255;1396368056;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Vlad_Roberto/status/447102599674621952
597256;1396368066;mircea_popescu;this guy's pretty epic. "i do ixcoin. i think it'll be huge"
597257;1396368074;mircea_popescu;should change his name to banya.
597258;1396368103;benkay;sublime text
597259;1396368108;mircea_popescu;anyway, meanwhile at Chateau d'Evil, http://31.media.tumblr.com/733c20c6aa6e43421e8082b4cd9ee446/tumblr_mj8quhsSxT1s7eb1eo1_500.jpg
597260;1396368120;chetty;hey I found ceoDanny
597261;1396368124;chetty;http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Screen-Shot-2014-04-01-at-9.01.14-AM-620x403.png
597262;1396368155;mircea_popescu;long legs almost excuse a beard.
597263;1396368221;mircea_popescu;chetty neobee didn't have a lambo. afaik that's bitpay
597264;1396368262;chetty;well he has had time to get one
597265;1396368294;thestringpuller;bitpay wastes a lot of money
597266;1396368308;artifexd;How the hell can you code on a tablet? The lack of pixels alone...
597267;1396368338;mircea_popescu;artifexd i never understood it.
597268;1396368413;antephialtic;thestringpuller: how so?
597269;1396368445;benkay;artifexd: if you don't strive for efficiency in your process in the first place...
597270;1396368484;thestringpuller;antephialtic: They spend astronomically more money in comparison to MP's companies...
597271;1396368490;Mats_cd03;im being mindfucked by the logs
597272;1396368496;artifexd;I'm used to working on multiple 30" monitors so the thought of working on a 7" tablet scares me.
597273;1396368500;thestringpuller;so I'd imagine they are spending in excess
597274;1396368556;chetty;I dont even like coding on a laptop if I can help it
597275;1396368600;benkay;ugh fix the logs
597276;1396368608;benkay;actually nvm
597277;1396368610;Mats_cd03;seriously what is this 19:50:13 mircea_popescu: tumbler, an great bitbet but use how properly this so a much is in purpose, moreover isn't for to trivial how designed is on showing this anyway, it as any service exercise
597278;1396368613;benkay;i'm sure nothing happened
597279;1396368617;Mats_cd03;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2014#520188
597280;1396368620;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
597281;1396368645;benkay;chetty: some day this year i'll get an office and move back to multiple monitors
597282;1396368662;Mats_cd03;i spent a few mins reading and i was trying to figure out if im really fucking high or the logs are broken
597283;1396368666;benkay;but for now, cafe lifestyle
597284;1396368671;benkay;Mats_cd03: did you check the date?
597285;1396368712;benkay;i'm considering telling a PM that all of his company's backups failed and have been corrupted for the past month.
597286;1396368720;Mats_cd03;this is worse than ponies, youre ruining my coffee time
597287;1396368736;mike_c;Mats_cd03: you've been april fooled :)  try this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?stopitkako&date=20-02-2014#520188
597288;1396368739;benkay;happy april
597289;1396368751;benkay;stoppitkako well done
597290;1396368757;artifexd;lol @ stopitkako
597291;1396368778;Mats_cd03;thx ily mike_c
597292;1396368822;benkay;mike_c: i for one do not appreciate the fix
597293;1396368829;benkay;now i have to read the logs
597294;1396368866;mike_c;i know, right?  no days off around here
597295;1396368985;benkay;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2014&bots=true#596065
597296;1396368988;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
597297;1396369005;benkay;i see you debugging -assets in production, mike_c
597298;1396369034;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?stopitkako&date=20-02-2014#520188
597299;1396369034;mike_c;i didn't figure out the algorithm.
597300;1396369058;mircea_popescu;darn too slow again
597301;1396369069;mircea_popescu;mike_c prolly just random sort ?
597302;1396369076;benkay;phprand
597303;1396369082;mircea_popescu;aynrand
597304;1396369083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34308 @ 0.0009409 = 32.2804 BTC [+] {2} 
597305;1396369100;benkay;rand-ish
597306;1396369101;kakobrekla;yeah the entropy on it is bad, no cardano sorry guise.
597307;1396369115;benkay;what kind of cabal is this anyways
597308;1396369191;Mats_cd03;what are we doing tonight brain?
597309;1396369236;mircea_popescu;fucking ourselves out ?
597310;1396369560;benkay;;;later tell Duffer1 NASA was just a wholehearted theft of european talent. nothing endogenous to the USA.
597311;1396369560;gribble;The operation succeeded.
597312;1396369595;benkay;s/wholehearted/wholesale
597313;1396369688;benkay;asciilifeform:just about every interesting technology attributed to a mega-organization was done on 'stolen time.' << yeah, as always, asciilifeform has it
597314;1396369718;mike_c;i feel like i've asked this before, but:  bitbet revenue line 'fees from refunds'.  how are fees that bitbet paid considered revenue?
597315;1396369730;benkay;1%
597316;1396369735;mike_c;oh oh
597317;1396369737;mike_c;right
597318;1396369748;mike_c;i was thinking tx fees on sending out refunds
597319;1396369755;mircea_popescu;brb found an error in the rectification o.o
597320;1396369771;benkay;bitbet also mining farm
597321;1396369777;mircea_popescu;actually : this is a good matter for public consultation.
597322;1396369783;benkay;APE-WIL FEWLS
597323;1396369808;mircea_popescu;so : last month bitbet made  3.68215306  btc, which should have gone as follows :  1.104645918 should have gone to the public shareholders, 1.288753571 to kako and 1.288753571 to me.
597324;1396369817;mircea_popescu;this because we still hold 70% of the shares, not yet listed.
597325;1396369837;mircea_popescu;through my mistake  3.68215306 have gone to the public shareholders instead.
597326;1396369855;mircea_popescu;how would teh wise other ppl rectify this problem in the current report ?
597327;1396369972;mike_c;what can you do?  mark it under expense and carry forward.
597328;1396370023;mircea_popescu;no because that degrades the dividends owed on the 70% of shares not listed
597329;1396370040;ThickAsThieves;the guys that made the error?
597330;1396370060;mike_c;overpay yourself and kako in the same amount, then carry forward the expense.
597331;1396370083;mike_c;screws future investors, but they can see that in the report and take it into consideration.
597332;1396370086;ThickAsThieves;the question lies in whether and where the culpability lies
597333;1396370104;ThickAsThieves;i think it is not the shareholders that should be owed
597334;1396370105;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-march-2014-statement/
597335;1396370106;ozbot;BitBet, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
597336;1396370108;mike_c;not really.  the company accountant screwed up.  can't penalize specific shareholders for that
597337;1396370109;mircea_popescu;i think this is a better solution
597338;1396370118;mircea_popescu;"make the mistake larger" seems the wron way to go
597339;1396370161;ThickAsThieves;so bitbet/you/accountant are eating the loss?
597340;1396370183;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves no ? it's just a floating charge against public share dividents.
597341;1396370193;ThickAsThieves;i disagree with that
597342;1396370207;mircea_popescu;because why ?
597343;1396370208;ThickAsThieves;account should be settled at time of report
597344;1396370231;mircea_popescu;that redces to "every corp should dissolve"
597345;1396370254;ThickAsThieves;its meant to read that an error was made and that cant be undone by carrying it over
597346;1396370256;ThickAsThieves;as mentioned,
597347;1396370262;ThickAsThieves;it fucks up trading of shares
597348;1396370296;ThickAsThieves;i suppose a shareholder should read footnotes and know he'll come in owing some divs
597349;1396370299;ThickAsThieves;but...
597350;1396370303;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.00040028 = 1.6011 BTC [-] {20} 
597351;1396370304;mircea_popescu;but what ?
597352;1396370325;mike_c;but now it is more confusing.  there is no line item for that charge.
597353;1396370333;mircea_popescu;mike_c myeah
597354;1396370350;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves what happens if one month the revenue from closing bets is 1 btc but the house takes in 1k new bets, worth 100 btc
597355;1396370364;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.00085017 = 0.4251 BTC [-] {5} 
597356;1396370366;mircea_popescu;obviously that 99 btc will be carried on the book until it melts away
597357;1396370392;ThickAsThieves;bitbet accidentally lost some money
597358;1396370399;ThickAsThieves;that's how it should go
597359;1396370401;mircea_popescu;(we had something similar happen at least once iirc)
597360;1396370423;ThickAsThieves;not sure if it washes any different though
597361;1396370429;mike_c;i guess the issue is that this is a cash flow statement, and the charge belongs on the balance sheet.
597362;1396370477;mircea_popescu;mike_c myeah kinda smushing things together in there
597363;1396370480;ThickAsThieves;unless bitbet intends to charge an employee or contractor for the loss, the shareholders eat it regardless
597364;1396370520;ThickAsThieves;certainly dont pay out MORE to balance the loss
597365;1396370526;mircea_popescu;that no.
597366;1396370567;ThickAsThieves;if you had a full board, theyd probly seek reimbursement from the accountant
597367;1396370572;ThickAsThieves;if that person is an employee
597368;1396370578;ThickAsThieves;not sure what measures are appropriate
597369;1396370582;ThickAsThieves;firing in some cases
597370;1396370585;ThickAsThieves;but...
597371;1396370601;mircea_popescu;afaik the normal practice is simply clawback.
597372;1396370612;mircea_popescu;and if you derp you go to jail
597373;1396370619;mircea_popescu;like that recent guy with the 90k
597374;1396370724;ThickAsThieves;to be candid though, you have an an accounting problem that appears to be consistenly inconsistent
597375;1396370737;ThickAsThieves;a change of guard it likely in order
597376;1396370743;ThickAsThieves;is*
597377;1396370769;mircea_popescu;in that meta sense : i'm quite happy with it, because it both creates caselaw and casepeople.
597378;1396370774;ThickAsThieves;on the surface this is healthy
597379;1396370783;ThickAsThieves;cuz now all your people check every month
597380;1396370787;ThickAsThieves;and probly enjoy doing so
597381;1396370799;ThickAsThieves;but what if a major problem happens
597382;1396370811;ThickAsThieves;more caselaw... ?
597383;1396370816;mircea_popescu;pretty much. what else ?
597384;1396370824;ThickAsThieves;prevention?
597385;1396370833;mircea_popescu;i think this is the road to prevention.
597386;1396370839;ThickAsThieves;possibly
597387;1396370851;ThickAsThieves;but you bias
597388;1396370856;mircea_popescu;well yes i bias.
597389;1396370902;blackwhite;hello gents
597390;1396370915;mircea_popescu;heya
597391;1396370937;mircea_popescu;mike_c half tempted to move bitbet on a nz0 basis tbh.
597392;1396370988;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves the problem is that people who are actually qualified to do this stuff do not wish to do it, because they were qualified by fiat and wish to die in fiat.
597393;1396370996;mike_c;yeah.. it is not really accurate to call it a nz0 given how many assets it has :)
597394;1396370997;mircea_popescu;willy nilly have to create and qualify bitcoin cpas.
597395;1396371017;ThickAsThieves;then maybe my suggestion to go full dynamic aint so bad
597396;1396371023;mike_c;er, zac
597397;1396371027;ThickAsThieves;kill multiple birds with one stone
597398;1396371032;ThickAsThieves;automate the whole thing
597399;1396371034;mircea_popescu;it's bad. technology has never nor will it ever replace people.
597400;1396371034;ThickAsThieves;no mistakes
597401;1396371044;mircea_popescu;if we don't have our own cpas, and our own fucking missiles, we'll have trouble.
597402;1396371052;blackwhite;technology has already replaced people
597403;1396371057;blackwhite;in many areas
597404;1396371058;ThickAsThieves;well your cpa tells your programmer what to make
597405;1396371059;danielpbarron;who is  "we"
597406;1396371067;ThickAsThieves;once, excel didnt exist
597407;1396371084;mircea_popescu;doubt we're that far yet, but i can appreciate your point in principle.
597408;1396371087;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron bitcoin.
597409;1396371088;mike_c;maybe mpoe-pr wants to learn accounting
597410;1396371099;mircea_popescu;i just hope she doesn't want to learn breastfeeding.
597411;1396371111;mike_c;she can do both at the same time
597412;1396371142;mircea_popescu;didn't work out for smickles, that theory.
597413;1396371147;danielpbarron;what does that even mean?
597414;1396371165;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron you're new here. why not read the logs for a while and ask q after ?
597415;1396371188;kakobrekla;perhaps wait a few more hrs with that advice.
597416;1396371198;mircea_popescu;a there is that
597417;1396371204;ThickAsThieves;hehe
597418;1396371204;mircea_popescu;jesus new guy trying to read the log.
597419;1396371213;kakobrekla;make the wiki work
597420;1396371246;ThickAsThieves;i made the categories and two links! what more do you want!
597421;1396371249;*;bounce was going to say that excel isn't really appropriate for much of anything, then thought of "appropriate technology"... and excel is indeed pretty much the opposite.
597422;1396371252;ThickAsThieves;nah i'll help more tho
597423;1396371256;mircea_popescu;yeah we need more wiki people. hey moiety, do you know what the manuls have been telling me ?
597424;1396371261;moiety;aww Scotland tried to April Fool's too, look http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/scottish-politics/10735711/Alex-Salmond-to-replace-the-Queen-on-new-Scottish-pound-coin.html
597425;1396371264;danielpbarron;i don't need to read the logs to understand you are collectivizing all bitcoin users as if they all have the same goals
597426;1396371265;moiety;hmm manuls?
597427;1396371282;ThickAsThieves;no
597428;1396371286;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron yeah, but you do need to read the logs to understand other things.
597429;1396371289;ThickAsThieves;you need it to not say weird shit like that
597430;1396371295;mircea_popescu;moiety they said you should be working butt off on wiki.
597431;1396371313;danielpbarron;how about you have your missile and i'll have mine? no need to personify Bitcoin
597432;1396371320;ThickAsThieves;...
597433;1396371328;mircea_popescu;who are you ?! and why are you determined to feed my ignore list ?
597434;1396371358;moiety;that's because they can't read mircea_popescu .. what does the wiki need
597435;1396371379;kakobrekla;moiety  at this point, a lot of flash, i think.
597436;1396371388;mircea_popescu;moiety articles. think you're trying to tell stuff to your newb friend, so she can talk in -assets without being silly. what'd go in there ?
597437;1396371431;kakobrekla;yes in a flash form
597438;1396371445;mircea_popescu;stop sabotaging the slander omg
597439;1396371447;kakobrekla;im sorry, dont take me seriously.
597440;1396371452;kakobrekla;ctrl - z
597441;1396371452;mircea_popescu;toolate
597442;1396371453;kakobrekla;ctrl - z
597443;1396371454;kakobrekla;ctrl - z
597444;1396371461;kakobrekla;there
597445;1396371463;kakobrekla;all good.
597446;1396371472;moiety;lol
597447;1396371491;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: z ctrl - kakobrekla: ctrl z - kakobrekla: z - ctrl
597448;1396371495;mircea_popescu;fucken spazz.
597449;1396371503;kakobrekla;lel
597450;1396371569;mircea_popescu;so now that mpoe and bbet are all fucked up, allow me to ruin the monthly reports of nsa too.
597451;1396371586;Mats_cd03;wat
597452;1396371607;moiety;I'm not actually allowed to include manuls in this am i
597453;1396371620;mike_c;what's a wiki with no manuls?
597454;1396371696;benkay;mircea_popescu: list all shares on mpex. divs can only be paid to full float. remove a source of pebkac errors.
597455;1396371723;mircea_popescu;benkay then people can start pulling a danny.
597456;1396371734;benkay;pardon?
597457;1396371739;ThickAsThieves;and it's fud fodder
597458;1396371741;mike_c;benkay: owner-shares are not supposed to be tradeable
597459;1396371754;mike_c;they are contracted to maintain a % of ownership
597460;1396371759;moiety;<mircea_popescu> "[...] without being silly." << you did just ask me, but i will try.
597461;1396371760;benkay;the problem is this manual "half the shares are not on the exchange" thing.
597462;1396371768;benkay;or .7 or w/e.
597463;1396371791;ThickAsThieves;i dont share that concern
597464;1396371797;mircea_popescu;benkay nothing to stop the issuer from selling the treasury shares.
597465;1396371797;ThickAsThieves;i think they should not be on the exchange
597466;1396371807;benkay;well this is a design of exchange thing
597467;1396371818;benkay;as designed, sure, not really a good idea to set people up to do a runner.
597468;1396371840;ThickAsThieves;make issuer-grade accounts?
597469;1396371841;benkay;if you have 2 classes of shares, maybe track both classes of shares with the share tracking thing.
597470;1396371850;ThickAsThieves;that cannot trade
597471;1396371854;mircea_popescu;moiety cool. if you fuck it up all these other experts can fix it. but it seems unless someone starts nobody does sortt of thing
597472;1396371879;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves trade engine wants to kill your guitar.
597473;1396371897;ThickAsThieves;kako how do i get wiki access
597474;1396371900;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
597475;1396371901;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.03, Best ask: 485.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.77000, Last trade: 485.03, 24 hour volume: 24505.07026789, 24 hour low: 446.02, 24 hour high: 509.98, 24 hour vwap: 474.365683399
597476;1396371959;ThickAsThieves;that guitar comment went over my head mp
597477;1396371995;ThickAsThieves;i still think having the shares "listed" isnt a good path
597478;1396372008;ThickAsThieves;but i can see how it's possible to facilitate such and some benefits it could bring
597479;1396372077;mircea_popescu;google zappa my guitar wants to kill your momma
597480;1396372080;mircea_popescu;;;google zappa my guitar wants to kill your momma
597481;1396372081;gribble;My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Guitar_Wants_to_Kill_Your_Mama>; Frank Zappa & The Mothers - My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Mama ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JXCht5H9oU>; Frank Zappa - My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Mama (HQ) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Oj-eZqpHE>
597482;1396372125;kakobrekla;ThickAsThieves pm
597483;1396372133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06408505 = 0.3845 BTC [-] {2} 
597484;1396372162;moiety;This is where he tells you to flash your webcam... or was that just me?
597485;1396372169;Mats_cd03;http://www.reddit.com/user/JuicyGrabs somebody that loves neobee and hates mpex... weird
597486;1396372170;ozbot;overview for JuicyGrabs
597487;1396372192;ThickAsThieves;weird?
597488;1396372194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0569 = 0.1138 BTC [-]
597489;1396372195;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06400205 = 0.32 BTC [-] {2} 
597490;1396372197;ThickAsThieves;seems common
597491;1396372251;mircea_popescu;totally muy muy very weird and strange
597492;1396372411;Mats_cd03;mp has a powerful effect on people
597493;1396372480;VanCleef;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.0
597494;1396372481;ozbot;MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges
597495;1396372483;ThickAsThieves;it's is charge in life it seems
597496;1396372485;ThickAsThieves;his*
597497;1396372500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 729 @ 0.00094007 = 0.6853 BTC [-]
597498;1396372550;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-march-2014-statement/
597499;1396372560;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10171 @ 0.00093989 = 9.5596 BTC [-]
597500;1396372591;mircea_popescu;wait, he found an article from two weeks ago ?
597501;1396372609;VanCleef;heh
597502;1396372613;mike_c;first: bug in the snsa report :D  "demo-ed before a rapturous applause"
597503;1396372636;ThickAsThieves;"Bear in mind that we’re almost a full year away and things may well change. A definitive schedule will be published late March 2014."
597504;1396372649;ThickAsThieves;anything to definitively add?
597505;1396372651;mircea_popescu;mike_c how do you say past of "to demo" ?
597506;1396372660;ThickAsThieves;demonstrated
597507;1396372664;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves notrly.
597508;1396372665;mike_c;i mean, either demo-ed before a rapturous audience
597509;1396372670;mircea_popescu;o o
597510;1396372687;mircea_popescu;there, implemented both fixes.
597511;1396372687;mike_c;or demo-ed to the sound of thunderous applause
597512;1396372712;mircea_popescu;pls don't crimp my esl style.
597513;1396372721;bounce;no no no it was clearly rapturous applause before a thunderous crowd
597514;1396372756;mircea_popescu;rancorous thunderclapping and also nubbins snowpocalypsae
597515;1396372773;ThickAsThieves;anyone know a good article explaining WHY the WoT is good, something to convince a noob
597516;1396372792;bounce;and what's that old fashioned thing with dashes? these days you are supposed to sprinkle apostrophes across your prose just in case you missed a spot, but no dashes
597517;1396372822;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves maybe a re-write of the girl
597518;1396372826;mircea_popescu;s wot thing on bitcointalk ?
597519;1396372830;mircea_popescu;that'd make a decent wiki page anyway
597520;1396372862;ThickAsThieves;that's  my thought, trying to make sure some context is injected into the wiki
597521;1396372879;ThickAsThieves;a buncha a links is only arguably better than 'go read the log'
597522;1396372888;mircea_popescu;verily. hence "re-write"
597523;1396372904;mircea_popescu;btctalk post had some good ideas/sturcture but not really a full and complete "why wot" thing
597524;1396372908;mircea_popescu;more like a subsection
597525;1396372918;ThickAsThieves;link handy?
597526;1396372974;ThickAsThieves;google giving weird returns for the forum
597527;1396372975;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.10;wap2
597528;1396372976;ozbot;Reputation system?
597529;1396372990;mircea_popescu;sec
597530;1396373095;mircea_popescu;why do womenz look so great in ball gags
597531;1396373100;ThickAsThieves;kakobrekla, how to edit categories and add pages?
597532;1396373328;VanCleef;this bloomberg interview is interesting
597533;1396373334;VanCleef;i mean article
597534;1396373346;VanCleef;mp is famous
597535;1396373378;mircea_popescu;net notorious mpg
597536;1396373382;mircea_popescu;teh*
597537;1396373417;kakobrekla;ThickAsThieves
597538;1396373418;kakobrekla;https://www.dokuwiki.org/manual
597539;1396373419;ozbot;manual [DokuWiki]
597540;1396373422;kakobrekla;see namespaces
597541;1396373429;VanCleef;what do you think about it all mp?
597542;1396373436;VanCleef;nothing to worry about for u?
597543;1396373449;mircea_popescu;not particularly.
597544;1396373463;VanCleef;herp has got a bit of a hardon for u
597545;1396373487;mircea_popescu;im kinda surprised nobody's come out with the "herp is really mp" line.
597546;1396373503;mircea_popescu;i recall j-something was suspected of it
597547;1396373554;VanCleef;i think this will affect havelock more so
597548;1396373568;VanCleef;and as i said earlier will probably close down sometime this year
597549;1396373573;kakobrekla;ThickAsThieves also there is a playground page to play around with
597550;1396373593;kakobrekla;if there is something specific you want to do i can tell you what you need to do
597551;1396373631;kakobrekla;if you want to create a new page on top of the dir, just visit the url you wanna create
597552;1396373633;kakobrekla;and create the page
597553;1396373643;kakobrekla;it will show in the menu automatically
597554;1396373675;ThickAsThieves;sweet
597555;1396373685;kakobrekla;if you want a subpage, you can use nest it
597556;1396373687;kakobrekla;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wiki/playground/test
597557;1396373688;ozbot;wiki:playground:test [bitcoin assets wiki]
597558;1396373688;kakobrekla;like dat
597559;1396373703;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-march-2014-statement/#comment-98819
597560;1396373716;kakobrekla;but for now keep it on one level if you can ThickAsThieves
597561;1396373720;ThickAsThieves;ok
597562;1396373743;ThickAsThieves;mostly wanted to edit categories and create them
597563;1396373759;ThickAsThieves;just need to sort how to edit them now
597564;1396373785;kakobrekla;edit what, a category?
597565;1396373791;bounce;so I tried a writeup wrt something on -otc: http://pastebin.ca/2690120 apart from zomfg too long, comments?
597566;1396373799;kakobrekla;just make a new one delete old
597567;1396373806;VanCleef;did mpoepr really get banned from bitcointalk?
597568;1396373812;VanCleef;seems a bit harsh
597569;1396373827;bounce;ze mod said so, must be true then
597570;1396373830;VanCleef;sorry if this is old news or asking too many questions
597571;1396373923;mircea_popescu;VanCleef was yesterday's lulz
597572;1396373955;mircea_popescu;bounce it's not too bad as a case study
597573;1396374028;VanCleef;this doesn't seem like something TAT would post
597574;1396374030;VanCleef;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551603.msg6010682#msg6010682
597575;1396374032;ozbot;Please remove this user from this forum.
597576;1396374107;ThickAsThieves;well i did post it
597577;1396374126;VanCleef;oh okey
597578;1396374136;VanCleef;thanks for confirming
597579;1396374141;ThickAsThieves;ok i've added short descriptions to all the wiki links so far, surely they'll need editing and maybe some references
597580;1396374145;VanCleef;thought you got hacked or something :/
597581;1396374158;ThickAsThieves;why?
597582;1396374163;bounce;pr00f of h4x, I say. just like mpoe-pr clearly got h4xx0red. the mod was right!
597583;1396374165;ThickAsThieves;like what is so hard to believe
597584;1396374168;VanCleef;lol just didn't seem like it was you
597585;1396374171;ThickAsThieves;that i hate bullshit?
597586;1396374175;ThickAsThieves;and will swear over it?
597587;1396374486;mike_c;can he say broken windows a few more times?  he doesn't sound dumb enough yet.
597588;1396374553;mircea_popescu;windows is pretty broken...
597589;1396374595;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves https://bitcointa.lk/threads/reputation-system.67046/#post-1153370
597590;1396374598;mircea_popescu;the wot post
597591;1396374923;benkay;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7508562
597592;1396374946;ThickAsThieves;k i added the link as-is for now with suggestion for rewrite
597593;1396374958;mircea_popescu;"Coinbase isn't some random website made in a basement. It's a well funded, YC backed, known-founder company that complies with relevant banking law. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that they hold a partial reserve or have any ill intention whatsoever."
597594;1396374962;mircea_popescu;again, this bullshit ?
597595;1396375038;benkay;let's give the shitshow some credit, shall we?
597596;1396375041;benkay;"The steal-all-your-money rate of bitcoin businesses is running right around 100%, and you're going to lecture people that "they can only ever lose a small portion of all stored user funds"? Really?"
597597;1396375045;mircea_popescu;no.
597598;1396375058;mircea_popescu;"The last "isn't some random website made in a basement" case was NeoBee. There were bunch of others before that, exactly similar.
597599;1396375058;mircea_popescu;Coinbase IS EXACTLY a random website made in a basement. So is AirBnB. So is everying else YC backed. Get over yourselves, lay down the pipe, you're a laughingstock for a reason.
597600;1396375058;mircea_popescu;This is the reason."
597601;1396375073;mircea_popescu;if anyone feels like passing it along.
597602;1396375228;ThickAsThieves;lol http://i.imgur.com/uJY9QN3.jpg
597603;1396375254;mircea_popescu;yc imagines itself respectable nao, god help us.
597604;1396375256;ThickAsThieves;isnt that my quote?
597605;1396375274;mircea_popescu;"in depth coverage" ?
597606;1396375283;ThickAsThieves;bitpay i want my pound of flesh!
597607;1396375304;mircea_popescu;a little girl stole your quote
597608;1396375321;mike_c;i like coinbase.  i don't have to hold any $$ with them in order to buy btc.
597609;1396375323;ThickAsThieves;she doesnt even look chinese
597610;1396375344;mircea_popescu;mike_c but you do have to hold your id with them
597611;1396375370;mike_c;yes, so my buys are recorded.  what am i going to do?  use localbitcoin and buy all my coin on the street corner?
597612;1396375376;mircea_popescu;not the point.
597613;1396375383;mircea_popescu;what if i go out and steal your server now ?
597614;1396375393;mircea_popescu;i got your actual passport, i got your address, your cc number, anything.
597615;1396375398;mircea_popescu;i could change your tax accountant
597616;1396375402;mircea_popescu;i could take out a new credit card.
597617;1396375412;mike_c;how is this different from any other online service?
597618;1396375417;mircea_popescu;i could withdraw your 401k early and guess what ? even if you do gert it back, the tax is still due.
597619;1396375438;mircea_popescu;what is this, how to make bitcoin paypal ?
597620;1396375486;mike_c;it's not making bitcoin paypal.  once i buy my bitcoin, coinbase is no longer involved.
597621;1396375492;mircea_popescu;i don't think the average us person realises exactly how fucked they are. and the "well everyone else is just as fucked" thinkin doesn't really work.
597622;1396375499;mircea_popescu;yes, but you're permanently exposed.
597623;1396375510;mike_c;my bitcoinz are not though.
597624;1396375516;mircea_popescu;your bitcoins are not, no.
597625;1396375518;benkay;dude mike_c buying over irc is way more fun
597626;1396375525;mircea_popescu;if you have the sense to withdraw it
597627;1396375525;mike_c;steal my 401k, what the fuck do i care? it's worthless anyway.
597628;1396375528;mircea_popescu;which most people do not.
597629;1396375545;mircea_popescu;well i see what you mean, but! i imagine so do you.
597630;1396375594;mike_c;there is a practicality here.  i can actually buy bitcoin with coinbase (with no $$ balance).  there are extremely limited other ways for me to do that.
597631;1396375607;mircea_popescu;hey, your own life is yours to lead.
597632;1396375616;mike_c;i suppose.  i wish -otc were better, but it's not.
597633;1396375616;mircea_popescu;coinbase is still a pos.
597634;1396375619;mike_c;hehe
597635;1396375645;mircea_popescu;there's you know, ringworm infested puddles all over africa
597636;1396375660;mircea_popescu;which are water for the locals, on the basis of the practicality that w/o water your le is a day.
597637;1396375671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35100 @ 0.00093989 = 32.9901 BTC [-]
597638;1396375682;mike_c;ok. yes, i see that point.
597639;1396375709;mike_c;i guess it's just that the other water sources are filled with sewage, so the ringworm doesn't look so bad.
597640;1396375712;mircea_popescu;not ringworm, that's fungal
597641;1396375719;mircea_popescu;wtf is that evil worm thing called
597642;1396375753;mircea_popescu;;;google dracunculiasis
597643;1396375754;gribble;Dracunculiasis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracunculiasis>; CDC - Guinea Worm: <http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/guineaworm/>; WHO | Dracunculiasis: <http://www.who.int/topics/dracunculiasis/en/>
597644;1396375755;mircea_popescu;that thing
597645;1396375774;benkay;otc is not really a pain in the ass.
597646;1396375783;benkay;know how much you want to buy, have it in a moneypak.
597647;1396375788;mircea_popescu;benkay i suppose it depends a lot on where you live etc
597648;1396375792;benkay;it is *moderately* inconvenient.
597649;1396375841;benkay;why does it depend on where you live? even in the states one can buy moneypak with cash.
597650;1396375861;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do i know
597651;1396375882;benkay;people are insufficiently wary about touching both the fiat rail and the crypto rail at the same time.
597652;1396375882;mike_c;http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?type=SELL&nick=&thing=BTC&otherthing=&eitherthing=&notes=  << who you going to buy from on this list besides sturles?
597653;1396375883;ozbot;#bitcoin-otc order book
597654;1396375885;mircea_popescu;maybe he lives five miles from any moneypak thing and it's run by zombies
597655;1396375890;bounce;s/even/only/ IIRC
597656;1396375902;Apocalyptic;^
597657;1396375919;bounce;need more peeps put their orders in there
597658;1396375999;benkay;it goes like this mike_c
597659;1396376007;benkay;"wtb btc with moneypak 2kusd"
597660;1396376076;bounce;then ignore all the scammers
597661;1396376078;mike_c;honey for the scammors.  i'll try it again sometime.
597662;1396376100;benkay;yeah well then do your dilligence on trust ratings.
597663;1396376124;mircea_popescu;alternatively, maybe start with peanuts and work people up.
597664;1396376132;mircea_popescu;do 10 trades on 10 dolla moneypacks,
597665;1396376143;mircea_popescu;select the 8 that didn't run, do 50 dolla
597666;1396376147;mircea_popescu;select the 7 that etc do 100
597667;1396376176;mircea_popescu;eventually people's histories with you are more valuable to them than any one trade so even the scammers won't scam you.
597668;1396376257;Apocalyptic;typical otc scammer won't go that far anyway
597669;1396376268;Apocalyptic;last night dude took 2 hours to scam $10
597670;1396376286;mircea_popescu;lmao
597671;1396376372;kakobrekla;http://us4.campaign-archive2.com/?u=318189459efde177c0f0166dd&id=3899f9bfb5&e=e6e4334e18
597672;1396376372;ozbot;BTC.sx Receives Largest Seedcoin Fund Investment: Virtual Incubator Finances the First Bitcoin-Only
597673;1396376428;mircea_popescu;again largest and first ?
597674;1396376431;mircea_popescu;this'll never end will it.
597675;1396376450;mircea_popescu;largest search engine, first ever to use a search box! derpoogle.co!
597676;1396376456;kakobrekla;> In fact, this opportunity gives Seedcoin a substantial position in the most reputable, popular and advanced derivative trading platform for Bitcoin.
597677;1396376472;mircea_popescu;great.
597678;1396376474;kakobrekla;> We congratulate BTC.sx on their continued success and the global respect they have earned among Bitcoin traders,� says Eddy Travia, Cofounder and Chief Startup Officer of Seedcoin.
597679;1396376502;moiety;mircea_popescu: i just caught up properly. is mpoe-pr ok? I hope so. it's pretty rough going dealing with shit for a long time and it then it ending unfairly.
597680;1396376511;mircea_popescu;they should also invest in that casino thing , whatever it was called.
597681;1396376525;Namworld;I guess in some places, $5 per hour is excellent pay.
597682;1396376534;mircea_popescu;moiety what's so unfair about it lol. she told teh guy where to stuff it, how many employees get to do that ?
597683;1396376535;kakobrekla;>With offices in New York City, London and Singapore, BTC.sx has an innovative, intuitive and proprietary platform that allows users to easily trade Bitcoin derivatives.
597684;1396376539;kakobrekla;brick and mortar, dude.
597685;1396376541;moiety;ThickAsThieves: if you really want banned, simply go in anything and personally insult people offtopic. its the only thing they ban for, in their words.
597686;1396376543;Namworld;And the guy knows he's not going to be sued for it.
597687;1396376577;Namworld;So, well... yeah, I'm not surprised. Those kind of people will be around as long as it works.
597688;1396376580;moiety;its unfair because of the way that forum is conducted
597689;1396376643;moiety;imo
597690;1396376659;bounce;asleep at the wheel then trying to pull a sgt. hardass, wasn't too impressive from what little I saw of it.
597691;1396376716;mircea_popescu;Namworld good point re the relative safety. i guess many of them aren't unaware of it.
597692;1396376819;Namworld;It's completly not worth it to sue them, plus people won't do it just for the principle because the person is probably poor and in bad need of money. So why send a message by suing for something so small? (On top of it being close to impossible, re other jurisdiction combined with low amount)
597693;1396376839;Namworld;I'm sure it's a job for many on the forums/otc.
597694;1396376863;mircea_popescu;how to make a living as a thirld world flea.
597695;1396376882;Namworld;Scamming 10 bucks here, 50 there, making new accounts and a few posts and small trades.
597696;1396376931;Namworld;Some might not be poor. Like a kid, just for the thrill. Scam a little amount.
597697;1396376934;Namworld;Etc.
597698;1396376947;mircea_popescu;prolly can clear 10 dollars a day on average, for 8 hour's work, which is just about the worldwide net average salary.
597699;1396377135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12664 @ 0.00093936 = 11.8961 BTC [-] {2} 
597700;1396377146;ThickAsThieves;<moiety> ThickAsThieves: if you really want banned, simply go in anything and personally insult people offtopic.  /// seems a step too far for me, i'll just not visit anymore unless to view a reference from this chan, or the like
597701;1396377231;Namworld;At the same time, why would they ban scammers? It's not like it's their job to investigate and provide proof of scams and then ban them. That's not how forums work. Plus the whole thing about banning without proof at first.
597702;1396377239;moiety;it's actually really easy lpace to forget about
597703;1396377246;moiety;place* ThickAsThieves
597704;1396377271;mod6;lol @ logs kako
597705;1396377284;mircea_popescu;question : who was lilo ?
597706;1396377284;Namworld;I can see why they'd say they only ban people derailing conversations/insulting without proofs. And just put a little scammer tag only once it's proven it's a scam.
597707;1396377299;mircea_popescu;answer : a mobster and acting boss of the bonanno crime family.
597708;1396377300;mod6;lilo` was a freenode admin back in the day.
597709;1396377316;mircea_popescu;;;google carmine galante
597710;1396377317;gribble;Carmine Galante - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmine_Galante>; Carmine Galante - Crime Library: <http://www.crimelibrary.com/photogallery/most-deadly-mobsters.html?curPhoto=2>; The Mob's Greatest Hits: Carmine Galante | National Geographic ...: <http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/inside-the-american-mob/videos/the-mobs-greatest- (1 more message)
597711;1396377317;mod6;oh nm. heh
597712;1396377346;mod6;(well, when it was openprojects.net or whatever.)
597713;1396377362;Namworld;They provide a medium to communicate, they don't protect people from themselves/scammers.
597714;1396377378;mircea_popescu;Namworld yeah except if you ban people that tell you to get fucked after you deleted a half dozen posts they made ostensibly because "you have to minimise the visibility of moderation" but really because you just as well didn't want their content visible
597715;1396377381;mod6;was reading through the logs, was like: O_o are they all on LSD today?
597716;1396377386;mircea_popescu;things start looking a little different suddenly.
597717;1396377389;ThickAsThieves;Namworld i think your view is too black & white on the matter
597718;1396377395;mircea_popescu;mod6 we are, but it's unrelated.
597719;1396377400;mod6;haha
597720;1396377408;ThickAsThieves;it's not their duty to seek and prove scamming
597721;1396377419;ThickAsThieves;it is in their financial interest to be ethical though
597722;1396377425;ThickAsThieves;possibly their legal one too
597723;1396377442;Namworld;Perhaps, I didn't read about that part of deleting posts complaining about moderators.
597724;1396377454;ThickAsThieves;would YOU have allowed Garr to keep up his antics?
597725;1396377465;mircea_popescu;generally speaking this is true. it gets real hard to argue no mens rea after you;ve been shown to have taken positive steps.
597726;1396377478;Namworld;That's the other issue with forums. If some admins/mods are bad and good at it, you won't see it.
597727;1396377484;kakobrekla;interestingly there seems to be two groups of people. first think asseters took ze drugs, the second group thinks they them selfs are on something. perhaps this tells a thing.
597728;1396377495;Namworld;Garr? is he still there under his own account?
597729;1396377497;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla lol indeed.
597730;1396377523;nubbins`;vexual hangs in the balance
597731;1396377525;nubbins`;waiting
597732;1396377538;mircea_popescu;Namworld in the case of teh btctalk you do see it, https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-226
597733;1396377548;ThickAsThieves;yes Nam he is
597734;1396377563;ThickAsThieves;he has solicited investment after being outted
597735;1396377567;twizt;mircea_popescu: did they extradite you yet lol
597736;1396377574;mircea_popescu;totally.
597737;1396377582;twizt;funny ass thread
597738;1396377593;ThickAsThieves;mods wanna mod, but dont start with their own rep system for targets?
597739;1396377593;mircea_popescu;i'm extraditing myself over to the bar in a minute.
597740;1396377602;ThickAsThieves;the whole thing is obviously hopeless
597741;1396377606;mircea_popescu;gotta extrudate some shots
597742;1396377613;twizt;lol
597743;1396377636;Namworld;I'd probably have left him there, yes. Let people rate each other/sort scammers out/investigate offers. It's trivial to make new accounts anyway. Scammers might as well keep their account with psts but also tainted reputation.
597744;1396377638;mircea_popescu;mebbe specially rendition some chicks outta their clothes while at it.
597745;1396377639;twizt;lawyering up atleast?
597746;1396377649;Namworld;Not like banning them would prevent them from coming back under a new identity.
597747;1396377668;mircea_popescu;Namworld not giving scammers the ability to make "Self moderated" threads would be one thing.
597748;1396377682;mircea_popescu;tbh i think it's where mpoe-pr's outlook turned.
597749;1396377698;mircea_popescu;from "derps derping bitcoin" to "these people are criminals in disguise"
597750;1396377718;mircea_popescu;at least going by the digests.
597751;1396377733;Namworld;That should indeed be implemented. So scammers can't leverage an account with lots of post to make a clean thread. Yet again, if you don't look up the guy's history even if the thread is clean...
597752;1396377770;mircea_popescu;well so then talk about broken windows
597753;1396377777;mircea_popescu;first, allow any random scammer to moderate hteir own thread
597754;1396377796;mircea_popescu;after people get used to this, maged can start deleting posts that inconvenience his clients.
597755;1396377805;mircea_popescu;there you have it. well broked.
597756;1396377820;ThickAsThieves;the problem is this conversation puts us down to their level, and that pissed me off too
597757;1396377831;ThickAsThieves;we're here all trying to sort the finer points of why its fucked
597758;1396377835;ThickAsThieves;it's just fucked
597759;1396377841;mircea_popescu;well he started it!
597760;1396377846;ThickAsThieves;hehe
597761;1396377856;Namworld;They already gave a rating system for people to leave feedbacks/make investigation of scam accusation easy. Rating page will list all the wrongs people are accused of.
597762;1396377864;ThickAsThieves;it needs owners that care about their thing
597763;1396377867;ThickAsThieves;they do not care
597764;1396377874;ThickAsThieves;that's that
597765;1396377892;mircea_popescu;at best, that.
597766;1396377923;kakobrekla;you can still rate even if you are banned so i use that to leave messages to people
597767;1396377932;ThickAsThieves;lol
597768;1396377934;mircea_popescu;lmao
597769;1396377941;Apocalyptic;you're still banned kako ?
597770;1396377944;ThickAsThieves;poor kako
597771;1396377970;kakobrekla;yes thermos did not respond to my email
597772;1396377989;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0569 = 0.1138 BTC [-]
597773;1396378004;ThickAsThieves;didnt thermos entrust John K with forum coins?
597774;1396378017;ThickAsThieves;cuz he couldnt hold them himself
597775;1396378019;Namworld;Honestly, I'd probably just ban people insulting others/derailing threads regardless of how likely they are right or the accused is a scammer.
597776;1396378022;ThickAsThieves;so heavy, the coins
597777;1396378048;mircea_popescu;"Venezuela Orders Landlords to List Homes for Sale"
597778;1396378050;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0569 = 0.3414 BTC [-]
597779;1396378053;mircea_popescu;so much lol coming out of that thing
597780;1396378054;Namworld;Insult = ban, explanation as to why someone shouldn't be trusted/their offer is bad, okay as long as polite.
597781;1396378072;ThickAsThieves;Namworld, the forumites are perpetually insulted
597782;1396378076;mod6;I wanted MPOE-PR to kill that site with fire.
597783;1396378089;ThickAsThieves;it's a state of being for them
597784;1396378089;mircea_popescu;"california housing market too expensive for underprivileged groups ? PEOPLE MUST NAO LIST HOUSES FOR SALE PAYMENT IN COWRIES"
597785;1396378118;mircea_popescu;Namworld that's what you think for lack of experience. what's "an insult" ?
597786;1396378134;Namworld;Insult as randomly calling people words and swearing at them, not people "feeling" insulted.
597787;1396378135;mircea_popescu;your mother was a hampster and your father smelt of elderberries.
597788;1396378137;mircea_popescu;what not ?
597789;1396378165;ThickAsThieves;yeah but you cant train forumites on what to complain about
597790;1396378171;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAy4zULKFDU here, with audio.
597791;1396378171;ozbot;Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries - YouTube
597792;1396378172;ThickAsThieves;they have only their feelings
597793;1396378184;novusordo;"I am insulted that this person is calling out my scam"
597794;1396378199;ThickAsThieves;your mods would quit
597795;1396378208;ThickAsThieves;maybe thats why their mods suck
597796;1396378213;nubbins`;http://thecoinfront.com/leah-mcgrath-goodman-i-am-satoshi-nakamoto/
597797;1396378213;ThickAsThieves;need better pay
597798;1396378214;ozbot;Leah McGrath Goodman: "I Am Satoshi Nakamoto" | The CoinFront | Bitcoin News
597799;1396378236;mircea_popescu;o ywah, let's mess with that stupid cunt some more.
597800;1396378263;Namworld;Calling out a scam is not an insult. It's at best accurate, at worst an erroneous assumptions.
597801;1396378293;ThickAsThieves;so do you allow false accusations then?
597802;1396378310;ThickAsThieves;suddenly youre in the business you said you shouldnt be in
597803;1396378320;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/451069414604288000
597804;1396378321;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @truth_eater Hey toots, how's ...
597805;1396378331;mircea_popescu;pls to keep reminding me nao and again.
597806;1396378333;mircea_popescu;kthx.
597807;1396378339;Namworld;What business?
597808;1396378399;ThickAsThieves;<Namworld> At the same time, why would they ban scammers? It's not like it's their job to investigate and provide proof of scams and then ban them. That's not how forums work.
597809;1396378422;ThickAsThieves;the line blurs at people making scam accusations
597810;1396378442;ThickAsThieves;it's not quite an insult, but quite insulting
597811;1396378458;Diablo-D3;http://app.messages.seagate.com/e/es?s=261&e=304820&elq=35ad4a43ddd141e6a568d623ce442fce
597812;1396378459;ozbot;YUM Introducing Seagate's New Drive Portfolio.
597813;1396378462;ThickAsThieves;it's not provable, but also not true discourse if false
597814;1396378473;mircea_popescu;http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2014/04/01/alleged-silk-road-creators-lawyer-denies-bitcoin-is-monetary-instrument-moves-to-drop-all-charges/
597815;1396378473;ozbot;Alleged Silk Road Creator's Lawyer Denies Bitcoin Is 'Monetary Instrument,' Moves To Drop All Charge
597816;1396378475;mircea_popescu;they caught on lmao.
597817;1396378485;Namworld;And I wouldn't ban scam accusations, weither true or false, like I wouldn't ban someone I thought is probably a scammer, weither true or false?
597818;1396378497;mircea_popescu;"Your honor, we finally got around to reading 2012 Trilema. We humbly submit this is a complete gamechanger."
597819;1396378573;Namworld;There's a difference between "This guy is a scammer LINK" "This is a scam because X, Y, Z or because I think so" and "You sound like a scammer, get the fuck out you dimwit scum"
597820;1396378610;ThickAsThieves;is there?
597821;1396378610;mircea_popescu;really ?
597822;1396378627;mircea_popescu;is there a difference between "i perceive a difference" and "there is a difference" ?
597823;1396378650;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.msg6021150#msg6021150 lol
597824;1396378652;ozbot;MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges
597825;1396378673;ThickAsThieves;SELL!
597826;1396378675;novusordo;uh oh
597827;1396378675;benkay;jig up?
597828;1396378681;Namworld;No. But as admin I get to determine what is and what isn't acceptable. Even if the nuance is subtle.
597829;1396378683;mircea_popescu;wasn't this befoar ?
597830;1396378683;novusordo;let me post that to reddit without reading it
597831;1396378695;Namworld;I'm not there to protect people's feeling like I'm not there to protect people from scammers. Just preventing straight up inflamatorry posts without substance.
597832;1396378697;ThickAsThieves;wow theyre really gonna try and harass you now...
597833;1396378711;ThickAsThieves;this should last, what, a week at most?
597834;1396378713;mircea_popescu;Namworld yes well, some people make MPs thing, some other people make Bitcoin thing.
597835;1396378717;mircea_popescu;do you see a difference there ?
597836;1396378727;mircea_popescu;if it was JoeDorksForum your position would stand a lot better,
597837;1396378740;mircea_popescu;especially if that JoeDork was someone with a reputation of any kind.
597838;1396378748;mircea_popescu;rather than a 20something nobody with nary a clue.
597839;1396378775;Namworld;There's a reason why I'm not a forum admin tho, hard decisions to make, everyone always butthurt all the time, more bland content and same old being repated you can't read and filter everything.
597840;1396378807;mircea_popescu;so this has been an exercise in "let's discuss how the salmon would fly if it had no wings" ?
597841;1396378807;Namworld;It isn't a JoeDork'sForum?
597842;1396378820;mircea_popescu;;;google joedorktalk.org
597843;1396378821;gribble;No matches found.
597844;1396378823;mircea_popescu;apparently not.
597845;1396378831;kakobrekla;the problem is just one
597846;1396378837;kakobrekla;they do not moderate the content but the form
597847;1396378842;kakobrekla;if it were the other way around
597848;1396378847;kakobrekla;....
597849;1396378861;pankkake;bitcointa.lk does not detect the extension :(
597850;1396378862;Namworld;I wasn't aware it was somehow official. Is the Bitcoin foundation official too?
597851;1396378863;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla deeper than that : they moderate the content to favour scammers, under a pretense of moderating the form.
597852;1396378867;mircea_popescu;the gmaxwell sin.
597853;1396378881;mircea_popescu;Namworld it claims to be. peoples implicit claims are held against them.
597854;1396378917;Namworld;As such, my point is as valid as if the forum was called theymosandcotalk.org
597855;1396378943;Namworld;It claims to be a Bitcoin forum like the foundation says Bitcoin Foundation. That people perceive them as official or not, I don't care.
597856;1396379020;mircea_popescu;well maybe you should run a catholic choir nambla local group then ?
597857;1396379057;Namworld;A little mention "not official, Bitcoin is decentralized" under the names would be nice, but what if they don't? I ain't going to harass them all day long, now, should I?
597858;1396379078;Namworld;Why would I run a catholic choir?
597859;1396379093;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. why would these derps run a bitcoin forum ?
597860;1396379094;pankkake;I forgot there is https://www.bitcoinforum.com/ too - jurov uses it
597861;1396379117;Namworld;Because they decided to.
597862;1396379184;Namworld;If people think they're official, it's because they don't understand Bitcoin, not because they run a Bitcoin forum.
597863;1396379185;mircea_popescu;"n 1994 Crichton became the only creative artist ever to have works simultaneously charting at No. 1 in television, film, and book sales"
597864;1396379195;mircea_popescu;jesus that shit's broken
597865;1396379215;Duffer1;to be fair jurassic park was a good book
597866;1396379216;nubbins`;that's some bo jackson shit
597867;1396379225;nubbins`;BO KNOWS
597868;1396379267;Namworld;Same as if someone thought someone running gunstalk, goldtalk, sportstalk or whatever kind of forum was the official worldwide representative of guns, gold or sports respectively.
597869;1396379302;Namworld;If someone thing it's official, it's because they have no idea of the substance of the topic, not because the forum owners didn't put enough disclaimers.
597870;1396379305;Namworld;think*
597871;1396379319;mircea_popescu;dude get out. if you're running sportstalk.org and ban all discussions of all white players you're going to be drawn and quartered.
597872;1396379332;mircea_popescu;"o, i'm not racist, it's just how i run my forum which is mine"
597873;1396379371;Namworld;We're not talking about wether the mods did something wrong or not right now...
597874;1396379376;tg2;so how many shares of mpex exist?
597875;1396379385;mircea_popescu;1bn
597876;1396379387;nubbins`;Namworld: if sportstalk.org predated widespread use of sports, it probably would be quite the hub of activity.
597877;1396379389;Namworld;Just about them claiming to be somewhat official.
597878;1396379410;nubbins`;that's distinct from being official, tho
597879;1396379440;tg2;so satoshidice was listed on mpex before?
597880;1396379446;Duffer1;ya
597881;1396379454;tg2;so how did it get sold to private party then
597882;1396379459;Namworld;Yes, all I'm saying is, if they're biased, okay. But why blame them for people confusing them for being official?
597883;1396379479;mike_c;it got sold, shareholders on mpex got paid..
597884;1396379490;Namworld;Did they ever claim to be official? I recall seeing claims of being the largest discussion forum about Bitcoin and that's it.
597885;1396379491;Duffer1;tg2 probably a trilema article on it
597886;1396379500;twizt;lol
597887;1396379528;nubbins`;Namworld not afaik.
597888;1396379539;tg2;wouldn't all the shareholders have to agree to sell it?
597889;1396379547;mike_c;most shares on mpex are non-voting.
597890;1396379554;tg2;yes, but if you owned a share
597891;1396379557;tg2;and you didn't want to sell it
597892;1396379560;nubbins`;tough darts
597893;1396379564;mike_c;and you have a non-voting share..
597894;1396379565;mircea_popescu;tg2 http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/
597895;1396379574;tg2;just curious about the process
597896;1396379591;mike_c;same as if google sold itself and you owned shares.  nobody cares what you want.
597897;1396379600;mircea_popescu;there's no process. mpex shares hold no voting rights. nobody asks your opinion on how the comp is run.
597898;1396379612;mike_c;geez, i am starting to sound like you.
597899;1396379621;Mats_cd03;you get paid and you go on your merry way
597900;1396379643;tg2;> The MPEx holders nevertheless received 0.0035 per share,
597901;1396379643;tg2;i see
597902;1396379694;Namworld;and that's the point I was talking about. I don't care about people believing them to be official because of that. It's not like it's their problem or anyone's to go put disclaimers on everything so people don't have to think and just follow directions.
597903;1396379723;tg2;how difficult is it to get listed on mpex?
597904;1396379738;mircea_popescu;that depends. most derpcorps find it impossible.
597905;1396379751;tg2;yet pptapr and giga no issues?
597906;1396379751;Namworld;Not too hard I suppose, but yeah, what Mircea said.
597907;1396379753;mircea_popescu;otherwise kakobrekla asciilifeform etc could comment on it
597908;1396379776;Namworld;It's not like the requirements are too much or too hard to meet.
597909;1396379808;Namworld;It's that most scams fail to even come close to meet those requirements.
597910;1396379808;tg2;so if the dice buyout was kosher, ie: all the buyers got their fair value for their shares, why is SEC sniffing around for that corp in particular?
597911;1396379838;Namworld;Because some people wanted to keep shares/complained?
597912;1396379854;benkay;MPEx is the big target.
597913;1396379864;Namworld;I suppose especially those who bought from the slices of shares over IPO prices.
597914;1396379890;tg2;things like that happen though in regular companies that are listed, private party has an interest, buys all the shares above market, non-voting can't do much about it
597915;1396379924;Namworld;Because sell price way under IPO price, yet all MPEx shareholders got like 3x the price per share such they they'd get over the initial IPO price at the expense of private shareholders.
597916;1396379949;Namworld;Yet this excellent deal for MPEx holders didn't please people who bought way over IPO price.
597917;1396379955;mircea_popescu;tg2 we never got to know what they actually wanted because they could never figure how to express themselves.
597918;1396379970;mircea_popescu;the simile would be a down syndrome kid walking into a shop going GLEEEERHRHRHR!!
597919;1396379977;Namworld;Afaik, I think it was not Erik that sold shares over IPO, but the offer was other shareholders that wanted to sell at those high prices?
597920;1396379983;mircea_popescu;shop owner goes hey! if you want to buy sometrhing, go like this, if you want to borrow something, go like this
597921;1396379988;mircea_popescu;kid goes GLEEEERHRHRHR!!
597922;1396379989;Namworld;or something to that effect.
597923;1396380005;mircea_popescu;eventually shop owner calls the special down syndrome kid number to have the kid removed from the premises.
597924;1396380014;ThickAsThieves;http://blog.coinbase.com/post/81407694500/update-on-coinbase-data-security  TLDR: There is nothing wrong with our system, but we fixed it
597925;1396380024;mircea_popescu;hopefully they find someone in new york whose brain works and they patch it up.
597926;1396380044;mircea_popescu;alternatively, they get a pitchfork mob going, and i'll have to hire a security detail around the shop.
597927;1396380046;mircea_popescu;either way, life.
597928;1396380064;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves such fucktards with this bs. just won't learn will they.
597929;1396380127;Namworld;Either way, people butthurt about buying too high from the bigger shareholders who sold when the price was high.
597930;1396380177;Namworld;If I recall right, I bought afterward, when price was much lower, not long before SD sold.
597931;1396380202;Namworld;and all holders on MPEx got a very good deal in that sale.
597932;1396380207;tg2;SEC isn't really used ot asking nicely
597933;1396380216;tg2;I know people involved in the awesomepennystocks.com fiasco
597934;1396380223;tg2;sledgehammer approach
597935;1396380249;tg2;take houses, take cars, indict everybody
597936;1396380258;mircea_popescu;tough tits for them. i was not kidding when i said their future is at stake. it is.
597937;1396380264;mircea_popescu;they wanna take a crap all over it, no big deal really.
597938;1396380275;Namworld;Basically, contract was respected. People are mad about the SD deal because they can't verify anything about the sale. They bought at a high price and claim Erik sold to "himself" for low after selling some shares for a very high price or other such accusations.
597939;1396380284;mircea_popescu;we give bitcoin to the russian-ec or to the chinese-ec or to the cyprus-ec
597940;1396380285;Namworld;Now, if they could prove that, the story would be different.
597941;1396380293;mircea_popescu;whoever finds a non-down syndrome kid first wins.
597942;1396380294;tg2;that's a tough accusation to clear
597943;1396380295;mircea_popescu;tis a race.
597944;1396380308;tg2;but yeah it does open the door to fukc al ot of people when you pull strings on both sides
597945;1396380313;tg2;ie: oh profits are down on dice..."
597946;1396380314;tg2;shares drop
597947;1396380316;tg2;-> buy back
597948;1396380327;tg2;that kind of stuff
597949;1396380345;Namworld;But without proof, contract was respected, shareholders got a great deal, and people are complaining about buying high before profits diminished and price going much lower.
597950;1396380354;tg2;"great deal"
597951;1396380368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00093998 = 22.8885 BTC [+]
597952;1396380380;mike_c;getting bought out well above market price is a great deal.
597953;1396380381;tg2;hard to calculate who got the great deal
597954;1396380383;tg2;and who didn't
597955;1396380385;mircea_popescu;afaik there was this longstanding theory that erik is betting with himself. i never could see any proof for it, people were welcome to find it etc.
597956;1396380388;tg2;but in general yes
597957;1396380404;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-question-of-the-year-in-btc/
597958;1396380404;ozbot;The question of the year in BTC pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
597959;1396380407;mircea_popescu;hardly any sort of news.
597960;1396380407;Namworld;They get 1/2 instead of 1/6th of what they paid because MPEx shareholders got about 3x too much for what the sale price was.
597961;1396380436;Namworld;They got like .0032 instead of ~0.0011 I think as the sale price commanded.
597962;1396380439;tg2;how much was bought over ipo
597963;1396380453;tg2;presumably it was sold by vorhees
597964;1396380459;tg2;then it deflated
597965;1396380463;Namworld;10 million at 0.0022 and 0.0027 I think it was, in two slices. Or was it 3?
597966;1396380464;tg2;then bought back at "ipo" price
597967;1396380489;Namworld;The IPO was lower than the price holders got.
597968;1396380525;tg2;how high did it climb after ipo
597969;1396380534;Namworld;People complained because new shares were put up and sold in the 0.004-0.006 range if I recall right, for about 5 million shares?
597970;1396380597;Namworld;Afaik it was not Voorhees' I think, just one of the private shareholder selling. I suppose accusations come from people who bought then.
597971;1396380608;ThickAsThieves;it was actually the first thing i ever did in bitcoin communication, sent a msg to erik asking how it could be proven he wasnt stealing
597972;1396380625;ThickAsThieves;it's why i made a forum account
597973;1396380641;mircea_popescu;what did he say ?
597974;1396380646;ThickAsThieves;lemme find it
597975;1396380647;Namworld;They got the short end of the stick, but is it because a scam occured? Contract was respected and outperformed. They bought at the high.
597976;1396380671;Namworld;Now without proof Erik did anything wrong... what are you to do?
597977;1396380672;tg2;ultimately somebody had to buy above 'value'
597978;1396380682;tg2;whether or not erik did anything to deflate or inflate that value
597979;1396380688;tg2;is really the only way he could be guilty of anything
597980;1396380700;mircea_popescu;generally, btc stocks follow a hump pattern
597981;1396380708;mircea_popescu;asicminer went from .1 to 5 then to .5
597982;1396380708;ThickAsThieves;"What could stop SatoshiDice.com from using it's own profit pool to place bets on it's own site to hide profits from shareholders?
597983;1396380708;ThickAsThieves;Am I missing something about the setup that prevents this?"
597984;1396380716;ThickAsThieves;"Hi,
597985;1396380716;ThickAsThieves;How would this hide profits from shareholders? It would do the opposite... it would inflate the site's earnings (because 1.9% of all bets becomes site profit) and then would require that the site pay shareholders -more- than they should legitimately have.
597986;1396380716;ThickAsThieves;For example, if I took 10 btc of SD earnings and rebet it over and over and over, eventually it would all be owned to the shareholders on mpex because they would see that the site had xxxxxxx in bets and xxxxxxx in profit owed to them.
597987;1396380716;ThickAsThieves;Does that answer the question?
597988;1396380716;ThickAsThieves;-Erik"
597989;1396380725;mircea_popescu;many children, many people with no training or much understanding, lot of hype.
597990;1396380738;Namworld;A dose of mob justice, with unproven guiltyness??
597991;1396380738;tg2;yeah its pretty clear when you use fixed wallets
597992;1396380742;ThickAsThieves;"Yes, thank you  Smiley
597993;1396380742;ThickAsThieves;I thought I had answered my own question after I sent my message to you. I thought your answer was going to be "Because all of the coins are stored in the public addresses on the home page, and everyone would see we were filtering out money". Do the coins all stay in the wallets posted on the home page (until dividends are paid), or do they get moved around in storage?
597994;1396380742;ThickAsThieves;Your answer makes sense though.
597995;1396380742;ThickAsThieves;Thanks again! "
597996;1396380744;tg2;to see where money and bets are going
597997;1396380749;ThickAsThieves;"The coins are not stored on the public addresses shown on the homepage. They go into a secret chamber buried underneath the arctic circle Wink
597998;1396380749;ThickAsThieves;-Erik"
597999;1396380750;ThickAsThieves;that's it
598000;1396380753;tg2;the only way to counterplay would be to know the private keys in advance
598001;1396380765;tg2;but you'd see the house % going down
598002;1396380771;ThickAsThieves;from January 2013
598003;1396380815;Namworld;Well to be fair, it's not a proof of innocence. But justice isn't supposed to work that way. It's not supposed to be guilty until proven innocent.
598004;1396380862;tg2;anybody working on a distirbuted-trust system for these types of scenarios?
598005;1396380878;tg2;where every voting shareholder gets a proportionate, verifyable voting mechanism?
598006;1396380927;mircea_popescu;tg2 anyway, you can take the message upstairs. "guy actually said you either play ball or he buries you, it seems improbable but he does have a history of doing exactly that."
598007;1396380929;tg2;I knew somebodyw as working on a wallet-splitter where you sent to an address and it split it by a fixed % and sent back out to the other x addresses
598008;1396380935;tg2;but you still ahve to trust the service
598009;1396380949;Namworld;I'm not sure how such a system would work to actually prevent fraud. Unless that system had exclusive amangement of funds. But then running a business would be close of impossible if all money spent needs to be approved by shareholders.
598010;1396380965;tg2;yeah I think the reality is it would be possible
598011;1396380968;Namworld;Plus it still doesn't prevent fraud...
598012;1396380976;Namworld;Assuming majority is in on the fraud...
598013;1396380979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00093815 = 24.7203 BTC [-] {2} 
598014;1396381007;tg2;but yeah ultimately it comes back to the same issue where the people running the business have to maek hte decisions
598015;1396381104;domsch;Hey guys, Dom here. I’m in the process of setting up a few businesses and am actively involved in a few crypto-hubs. Just wanted to hang out in a few IRC channels to talk with people from the space.
598016;1396381108;tg2;I guess there just needs to be more liability there
598017;1396381115;tg2;which is sort of why the SEC was created in the first place
598018;1396381117;ThickAsThieves;Hi Dom
598019;1396381159;benkay;what kinda biz, domsch?
598020;1396381173;kakobrekla;domsch prolly a good call.
598021;1396381222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19731 @ 0.00093998 = 18.5467 BTC [+]
598022;1396381228;domsch;Crypto-related. We are mostly concerned on the educational aspects of the space and are creating several tools that are there to add liquidity to the market and help users embrace the new technology (not just bitcoin of course) in their every day life.
598023;1396381240;benkay;add liquidity how?
598024;1396381251;benkay;where's the overlap between "educational aspects" and "tools to add liquidity"?
598025;1396381252;domsch;http://imgur.com/a/pVsEJ
598026;1396381252;ozbot;Bitcoin POS Terminal - Imgur
598027;1396381273;*;twizt thinks its time for a bunch of big words to be used, while making little to no practical sense
598028;1396381287;benkay;well that's better than a QR sticker.
598029;1396381296;kakobrekla;lol
598030;1396381305;domsch;educating and approaching the average consumer goes hand in hand.
598031;1396381323;domsch;and yes, it definitely is lol
598032;1396381328;Namworld;There's already large processors offering service plus conversion plus daily bank deposit for 1% fee.
598033;1396381329;ThickAsThieves;tell those BitcoinBigfoot guys that Dom
598034;1396381340;ThickAsThieves;they make "educational" brochures filled with logos
598035;1396381341;Namworld;But this little device is actually quite elegant.
598036;1396381347;benkay;bitcoin consumer tech, man.
598037;1396381361;benkay;just say no.
598038;1396381363;twizt;bro for something that big
598039;1396381370;twizt;it better play hd movies
598040;1396381381;ThickAsThieves;ascii porn at least
598041;1396381385;mircea_popescu;domsch who's "we" ?
598042;1396381387;benkay;.asciibait
598043;1396381415;twizt;that thing looks as big as a mac mini
598044;1396381421;twizt;lol
598045;1396381432;domsch;yes I really like what Bigfoot is doing. I don’t think that anyone in this space can be treated as a competitor (in broad perspective of course) - we are mostly all after the same and pursue the same ideals.
598046;1396381438;kakobrekla;its not meant to be carried around eh
598047;1396381444;mircea_popescu;dude. who. is. we.
598048;1396381445;benkay;you're all after the same thing but not competitors?
598049;1396381446;benkay;what?
598050;1396381461;domsch;me and my team. I’m not alone. We are around 7 people right now.
598051;1396381465;twizt;we is me
598052;1396381467;mircea_popescu;do you have a name ?
598053;1396381467;Namworld;A mac mini? This thing looks smaller than a small computer fan. How small is a mac mini?
598054;1396381468;twizt;I am we
598055;1396381494;mircea_popescu;dominik schiener sez your client. that you ?
598056;1396381519;domsch;yep.
598057;1396381534;mircea_popescu;you the 17yo italian guy with fileyy / 360box game hacks ?
598058;1396381558;kakobrekla;the name sounds german
598059;1396381563;domsch;I am actually 18. And I’m german.
598060;1396381567;mircea_popescu;europe. gets complicated.
598061;1396381572;mircea_popescu;ok. get in the wot, and read this :
598062;1396381573;domsch;and I have never owned an xbox.
598063;1396381588;twizt;https://angel.co/dominik-schiener
598064;1396381589;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-is-creating-a-whole-new-set-of-problems/
598065;1396381590;ozbot;Dominik Schiener - AngelList
598066;1396381590;ozbot;Bitcoin is creating a whole new set of problems pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
598067;1396381603;mircea_popescu;and i do mean read it.
598068;1396381638;domsch;ok hold on
598069;1396381645;mircea_popescu;take your time.
598070;1396381670;twizt;18 years old developing hardware.. or ur professors doing it?
598071;1396381710;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00085015 = 0.2125 BTC [-]
598072;1396381711;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0444 = 0.222 BTC [-] {2} 
598073;1396381893;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00085 = 0.85 BTC [-]
598074;1396381911;domsch;Good read. And I definitely agree with you on some of the aspects that young people (of my age, younger or older) are in this space to grasp an opportunity - these are the people that don’t see the future, the long-term benefit. These are the people that are there to fuck you in the ass when they see the slightest chance to get away with a few bucks.
598075;1396381941;benkay;what what, in the butt
598076;1396381955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05739997 = 0.1148 BTC [+]
598077;1396381964;domsch;I can tell you a personal story, how I tried to run my first startup, (a performance based advertising network, known as CPA = Cost Per Action) and how I was scammed out of my last $1000 and had to work over the summer as a construction worker to get enough money to continue working on the project.
598078;1396381997;domsch;I am not in this space to make a buck and seize every tiny opportunity, or even try to scam people. I’m here for the bigger picture. I may be young, I may be dumb - but I am trying.
598079;1396382009;benkay;;;google trilema variety speak
598080;1396382010;gribble;You're gonna have to learn that variety speak pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/>; Pro idiotas, which obviously means, people who have ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people-who-have-ideas-ie-idiots/>; The Family pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/the- (1 more message)
598081;1396382039;benkay;"nobody knows how to make movies, but there are some people who know how to not make movies"
598082;1396382047;benkay;maybe reconsider the point-of-sale angle, sir.
598083;1396382209;mircea_popescu;domsch just don't let that grasping fuck you over.
598084;1396382222;mircea_popescu;a 50yo that fucks up is therefore losing his key for ages 51-70 or w/e
598085;1396382242;mircea_popescu;a 18yo that fucks up is losing his key for all time. you're risking a lot more than the 50yo, who already fucked the girls, drank the meads, got bored.
598086;1396382252;mircea_popescu;and in this space, fucking up is extremely easy. just ask danny.
598087;1396382259;mircea_popescu;or charlie or whoever.
598088;1396382314;mircea_popescu;benkay eh, he can't argue everything simultaneously. first let him you know... introduce it.
598089;1396382368;twizt;whos danny
598090;1396382383;mircea_popescu;danny "cyprus" brewster.
598091;1396382394;Namworld;domsch, so many young people with your mindset came around to do BTC services/business, only to have everything go down because of the tiniest mistake. BTC doesn't forgive, hackers don't forgive. Smallest error can doom you.
598092;1396382396;twizt;what company?
598093;1396382405;Namworld;High failure/scam ratio.
598094;1396382410;mircea_popescu;twbt newbie.
598095;1396382420;mircea_popescu;twizt i mean
598096;1396382432;twizt;neo bee?
598097;1396382443;twizt;it fucked up already? lol
598098;1396382451;mircea_popescu;if you prefer the cyrillics spelling
598099;1396382507;domsch;yeh I definitely understand where this is coming from. As people say: “It doesn’t matter what your idea is, it only mattes who you know.� That’s why I’m trying to be surrounded by the right guys. I am working on the networkign right now and meet the right people that have been there, done it.
598100;1396382540;mircea_popescu;aite, dun worry about it.
598101;1396382569;twizt;i wonder how much money neobee wasted on all that promotional crap
598102;1396382574;twizt;what are their sales?
598103;1396382575;twizt;lol
598104;1396382581;domsch;and don’t worry. I won#t be the Chief Compliance Officer, President, CEO, developer and support staff of this project lol
598105;1396382602;mike_c;what will you be?
598106;1396382616;ThickAsThieves;"we" of course!
598107;1396382625;twizt;I shall be we
598108;1396382630;twizt;gdammit ThickAsThieves
598109;1396382632;ThickAsThieves;it is written
598110;1396382633;twizt;beat me to it
598111;1396382637;domsch;an entrepreneur.
598112;1396382643;ThickAsThieves;a thought leader
598113;1396382664;twizt;We have written it, I shall be done
598114;1396382684;ThickAsThieves;is there an english word for entrepreneur, it's annoying
598115;1396382692;ThickAsThieves;business man
598116;1396382693;nubbins`;yes
598117;1396382693;ThickAsThieves;?
598118;1396382697;mike_c;it would be better at this stage to attach yourself to a more experienced entrepreneur.
598119;1396382697;nubbins`;"entrepreneur" :D
598120;1396382702;twizt;BMEN
598121;1396382704;nubbins`;is there an english word for restaurant? :D
598122;1396382710;domsch;in the early days of a startup titles don’t matter anyways as we still have to prove all of the hypothesis and actually get a working model up and running. So all these fancy titles are useless. It’s about getting shit done.
598123;1396382715;thestringpuller;Man i love this channel
598124;1396382717;twizt;drive thru nubbins
598125;1396382723;thestringpuller;smarter over time
598126;1396382741;mike_c;domsch: that is bs.  somebody is in charge.
598127;1396382741;thestringpuller;rather than the general trend of the internet to become less intelligent over time
598128;1396382746;pLambert;nubbins`: diner
598129;1396382747;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05658333 = 0.3395 BTC [-] {2} 
598130;1396382750;twizt;domsch: all im reading is canned rhetroic lol
598131;1396382765;twizt;you sound too sales pitchy
598132;1396382768;nubbins`;pLambert: that's french too
598133;1396382769;twizt;(in my mental voice)
598134;1396382778;pLambert;eatery?
598135;1396382788;nubbins`;ehhh.
598136;1396382805;nubbins`;jim bob's rib hole is an eatery
598137;1396382808;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06869732 = 0.1374 BTC [+]
598138;1396382812;nubbins`;different from a restaurant :D
598139;1396382823;thestringpuller;domsch: "Right and wrong are just words. It doesn't matter who you know or what you say. What matters...is what you do."
598140;1396382824;mike_c;it would be better to learn by attaching yourself to someone experienced.  this is a bad industry to learn by failure for the reasons already mentioned.
598141;1396382837;domsch;there is definitely someone in charge. But what’s the point of all the titles in the early days?
598142;1396382839;pLambert;food-place
598143;1396382853;thestringpuller;mike_c: you can learn by failure via spectating
598144;1396382878;mike_c;to a degree.  you still must get in the trenches to really learn.
598145;1396382881;domsch;great quote
598146;1396382932;thestringpuller;mike_c: true, you will never be able to fully comprehend the defense strategy against a large DDoS without having experienced it like say mircea_popescu
598147;1396382948;mike_c;or by working for mp when it happens.
598148;1396382996;truffles;<thestringpuller> u sure its him or he's paying some minions
598149;1396383014;thestringpuller;paying minions to DDoS him?
598150;1396383029;truffles;of expertise
598151;1396383064;ThickAsThieves;<twizt> you sound too sales pitchy  /// methinks youre attacking the kid a bit too prematurely
598152;1396383078;thestringpuller;ThickAsThieves always the nice guy
598153;1396383081;ThickAsThieves;at least let him fuckup for himself before declaring him a fuckup
598154;1396383104;ThickAsThieves;he's here aint he?
598155;1396383130;truffles;noisy spectators get a bad rap itc
598156;1396383184;mircea_popescu;<twizt> i wonder how much money neobee wasted on all that promotional crap << me too. but it doesn't seem like theres ever going to be a report.
598157;1396383206;truffles;0.0
598158;1396383222;mircea_popescu;<thestringpuller> smarter over time << word. this shit sharpens under my very eyes. it's... uncanny.
598159;1396383265;mircea_popescu;whoa look at that, truffles still exists ?! when did that happen.
598160;1396383278;truffles;i happen all the time dood
598161;1396383312;mircea_popescu;dood eh ? so what were you in for these past few months ? larceny ? truculence ?
598162;1396383328;pankkake;promo crap, oracle license, building
598163;1396383347;truffles;u want to know why i left n returned just ask
598164;1396383357;truffles;im bored
598165;1396383381;thestringpuller;lol oracle license
598166;1396383387;thestringpuller;mpex doesn't even use oracle...
598167;1396383396;pankkake;MP is the oracle
598168;1396383400;truffles;i enjoy poking at u mp cuz others dont seem to dare :D
598169;1396383415;mircea_popescu;yeah but you suck at it.
598170;1396383417;thestringpuller;what about tiberius?
598171;1396383432;truffles;:(
598172;1396383460;truffles;i wouldnt wanna be good at that nonetheless
598173;1396383529;truffles;has ur english improved mp?
598174;1396383576;thestringpuller;;;seen nanotube
598175;1396383577;gribble;nanotube was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 2 hours, 5 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <nanotube> benkay: the implication would be that output would be sorted by volume? :)
598176;1396383585;truffles;ill wait for the spam n check it out i gues
598177;1396383662;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05699999 = 0.114 BTC [+] {2} 
598178;1396383830;twizt;i didnt say he was a fuck up lol
598179;1396383845;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0561 = 0.1683 BTC [-] {2} 
598180;1396383857;truffles;u said mp's a fuck up?
598181;1396383882;truffles;didnt say that*..
598182;1396383911;twizt;truffles: talking abt domsch
598183;1396383937;truffles;ofc some1 else ok
598184;1396383939;twizt;mysql server is free who need a oracle lisence?
598185;1396383968;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05699999 = 0.171 BTC [+] {3} 
598186;1396383969;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0453 = 0.1359 BTC [+] {3} 
598187;1396384003;twizt;open question: anyone know how i can pull the kraken spot price using their api? where do I insert the symbol/pair on the url to retrieve the price?
598188;1396384029;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05699999 = 0.171 BTC [+] {3} 
598189;1396384031;domsch;I wouldn’t say fuck-up. I am rather trying to participate and be actively involved.
598190;1396384043;twizt;im not calling u a fuckup lol
598191;1396384058;twizt;chill
598192;1396384063;truffles;domsch what do u do?
598193;1396384065;twizt;<3 all around
598194;1396384143;thestringpuller;domsch: lurk first. there will always be work to do. learn to do the work first tho
598195;1396384154;twizt;^^
598196;1396384165;truffles;hint hint dont step on toes
598197;1396384173;twizt;lol truffles
598198;1396384186;twizt;nah fuck that burn bridges domsch
598199;1396384187;domsch;one of the products http://imgur.com/a/pVsEJ we have have been working on. But there is more to come.
598200;1396384216;domsch;and yes, lurking, reading and listening to the mistakes of others is probably the only way to be prepared for this.
598201;1396384231;truffles;only way..
598202;1396384237;truffles;so what is this
598203;1396384242;steven-__;very nice unit how much ?
598204;1396384254;pankkake;so it's a nfc payment terminal?
598205;1396384267;thestringpuller;looks like it uses QR codes too
598206;1396384272;pankkake;oh right
598207;1396384283;pankkake;pretty cool, very simple design
598208;1396384327;domsch;as a young kid that is just getting started, doing the above is pretty much the “only way� to prepare oneself. A problem that I have seen in the past is that a lot of people are reluctant to work with youngsters like me - which I do really understand.
598209;1396384350;truffles;do u look scary?
598210;1396384374;domsch;part of that is why it’s great that Internet and Bitcoin allows people to stay anonymous for some time and just convince the other person through words and their abilities.
598211;1396384375;truffles;if one can get the job done..
598212;1396384397;cazalla;he's got those shrem eyebrows that make you think twice
598213;1396384404;thestringpuller;domsch: you said "we" you don't have niggas?
598214;1396384411;thestringpuller;where's your crew?
598215;1396384424;domsch;haha - no I hope I don’t. But it’s most stereotypes with locals. I live in the Alps and people around here are process driven: You go to school, college, then you work for someone for a ffew years and ONLY then you can consider running the show.
598216;1396384428;twizt;we is me
598217;1396384456;gx;anyone with some BTC twitter followers wanna help a brother out with a retweet? trying to get our beta update out to the public. pm me if interested, thx. sex and drugs in return
598218;1396384471;twizt;lolol
598219;1396384473;domsch;and yes, this is an NFS terminal. They are not ready for serial production yet as we will do some tests in Zurich sometime soon.
598220;1396384484;domsch;NFC*
598221;1396384490;twizt;domsch check ur pm
598222;1396384496;truffles;oh u dont think any1 will copy it huh
598223;1396384515;domsch;ou I definitely do - we will open-source it all.
598224;1396384525;truffles;ohh
598225;1396384541;domsch;this is a gadget supposed to be there for the public use - it is there to add value, not generate money.
598226;1396384552;truffles;so its for free?
598227;1396384554;truffles;??
598228;1396384597;gx;https://twitter.com/Coinigy/status/451094162037673984 <- fuck it. i dont understand social media. share it if you care
598229;1396384598;ozbot;Twitter / Coinigy: Coinigy Beta Update & ...
598230;1396384611;khersonus;domsch: gpl/bsd/something else?
598231;1396384647;truffles;if u paint it black it could be like a little black box :D
598232;1396384659;kakobrekla;>We Need Your Help
598233;1396384659;kakobrekla;As with any new startup, exposure and early adoption are the keys to success. Please help us out by telling your friends, liking our Facebook page and following us on twitter.
598234;1396384660;kakobrekla;--
598235;1396384661;domsch;all the CAD files + software will be free. But if you want to buy the actual unit (meaning already produced) you’ll have to pay. This is for those who don#t have access to a 3d printer and don’t want to go through the hassle.
598236;1396384662;kakobrekla;yes.
598237;1396384665;kakobrekla;impressions.
598238;1396384676;gx;kakobrekla is there something wrong with that line?
598239;1396384695;kakobrekla;well unless this is a faucet, then no
598240;1396384712;truffles;domsch ok, sounds interesting gl
598241;1396384745;kakobrekla;an exchange does not need facebook likes, it needs market makers, for example. and those arent on facebook.
598242;1396384753;gx;kakobrekla we're not an exchange.
598243;1396384753;thestringpuller;LOLOLOL
598244;1396384762;gx;reading comprehension goes a long way nowadays.
598245;1396384764;kakobrekla;faucet then
598246;1396384783;kakobrekla;dunno i would say you faild to convey the message
598247;1396384811;truffles;is the bitcoin message board down or something?
598248;1396384812;domsch;thanks a lot truffles.
598249;1396384826;gx;ok, thanks for the constructive criticism, any idea what we could do to improve on conveying the message?
598250;1396384834;kakobrekla;well
598251;1396384835;khersonus;"less than 20s of delay. This number will be lowered in time to only a few seconds." << I don't think I'd call that "low latency"
598252;1396384839;kakobrekla;when i open that link
598253;1396384845;kakobrekla;i get about 1000 px of white space first
598254;1396384857;kakobrekla;would be a good place to write "WE DO <this>"
598255;1396384865;kakobrekla;or "WE ARE <this>" or whatever
598256;1396384866;gx;which link specifically?
598257;1396384872;kakobrekla;http://us3.campaign-archive2.com/?u=9f03eb56fbb3842181db7f674&id=c4520742b6
598258;1396384873;ozbot;Coinigy Beta Update & Screenshots
598259;1396384875;gx;the link is a copy of the email blast we just sent out
598260;1396384882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 225 @ 0.00581941 = 1.3094 BTC [+] {6} 
598261;1396384884;gx;are you on mobile perchance
598262;1396384887;kakobrekla;its what you gave me.
598263;1396384901;kakobrekla;no
598264;1396384903;gx;i understand, i was curious if you were getting whitespace on coinigy.com vs the link i gave you
598265;1396384912;gx;i'm not getting whitespace so i'm just inquiring
598266;1396384925;kakobrekla;anyway, pictures are bad
598267;1396384931;kakobrekla;you are not in photography biz
598268;1396384935;kakobrekla;as far as i can tell
598269;1396384936;kakobrekla;so far
598270;1396384940;gx;clearly not
598271;1396384944;gx;bad in what respect
598272;1396384959;gx;are you positive you're not looking at this on a tandy?
598273;1396384967;gx;;)
598274;1396384975;truffles;so coinigy is the name?
598275;1396384990;kakobrekla;whatever, free advice ends here.
598276;1396384993;gx;correct. did we not convey the name properly?
598277;1396385000;truffles;coinigy?
598278;1396385002;gx;kakobrekla i'm just ribbing you a little bit
598279;1396385004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05699999 = 0.114 BTC [+]
598280;1396385015;truffles;srsly?
598281;1396385064;*;truffles wants to go to all the btc startups and shake em
598282;1396385067;gx;truffles seriously? is that rhetorical? in which case, no- that's not the name.
598283;1396385082;truffles;what is the name
598284;1396385110;gx;we've been tossing some ideas around, such as MPEZ or HAVELOX. but they're not rolling off the tongue.
598285;1396385133;truffles;those sound a lot better though
598286;1396385156;gx;regardless, appreciate the feedback, as negative as it's been :)
598287;1396385173;truffles;if its great, i wont say one bad word
598288;1396385179;bounce;tandycoin
598289;1396385179;gx;can't improve without constructive criticism. so far apparently there's whitespace, the pictures are shit, and the name sucks
598290;1396385196;kakobrekla;i dont see any pictures so whatever content you got there is gone
598291;1396385196;truffles;dude that name is turrble
598292;1396385202;rithm;derp
598293;1396385211;gx;there's a pronunciation guide for you oin coinigy.com
598294;1396385214;gx;you racist bastard :)
598295;1396385232;kakobrekla;so this is aka btcrt
598296;1396385233;TomServo;first indicator that it's no good.
598297;1396385236;kakobrekla;or rtbtc
598298;1396385238;kakobrekla;or what is it
598299;1396385238;truffles;if u have great product none will care
598300;1396385241;pankkake;maybe because I'm French, coinigy is hard to pronounce
598301;1396385242;rithm;what is coinigy
598302;1396385242;truffles;so make it great
598303;1396385252;rithm;why are we calling people nigy's
598304;1396385261;phf`;gx: just fyi mac speech synth pronounces it as "coy-niggy"
598305;1396385295;kakobrekla;well, you have a presence on irc so props for that.
598306;1396385367;gx;kakobrekla regarding latency, the <20s is a catchall as not all exchanges offer websockets support. so we're forced to poll.
598307;1396385370;pankkake;google translate says coy niggy too
598308;1396385372;kakobrekla;what is the biz model of this?
598309;1396385391;truffles;lol at these pronounciations
598310;1396385391;twizt;fees kako
598311;1396385395;rithm;i'm not a coy nigger
598312;1396385407;kakobrekla;twizt  you cant just say 'fees' and think you are done explaining
598313;1396385407;rithm;this site has upset me.
598314;1396385414;truffles;lol
598315;1396385421;gx;kakobrekla users purchase credits.
598316;1396385426;*;rithm runs off to eat watermelon
598317;1396385431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00093771 = 16.1286 BTC [-] {3} 
598318;1396385447;kakobrekla;credits , like a monthly subscription or ?
598319;1396385452;gx;credits are good for manual and auto trades
598320;1396385462;kakobrekla;so pay as you go
598321;1396385469;gx;not monthly, credits that are banked in your account, and are used up when you place a trade through the system
598322;1396385472;thestringpuller;damn mpoe is going to crash down before divs are paid
598323;1396385481;kakobrekla;yes, pay as you go.
598324;1396385491;mike_c;!t m mpoe
598325;1396385491;assbot;Some are born to endless night.
598326;1396385496;thestringpuller;!t m s.mpoe
598327;1396385496;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00093761 / 0.00094535 / 0.00095556 (1383881 shares, 1,308.25 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094327 / 0.00095866 (6785318 shares, 6,400.43 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087641 / 0.00096 (29567602 shares, 25,913.37 BTC)
598328;1396385512;truffles;"We've been purposely vague up until this point as to what exactly Coinigy is, and how it works. " good stuff
598329;1396385531;kakobrekla;>NOW COMPATIBLE WITH EVERY MAJOR CRYPTOCURRENCY EXCHANGE
598330;1396385536;kakobrekla;you know wouldnt hurt to list those
598331;1396385540;TomServo;truffles: exactly where I stopped reading.
598332;1396385551;kakobrekla;i have no idea what standards you got to apply for 'major'
598333;1396385552;truffles;im trying to continue
598334;1396385555;truffles;looked at pics though
598335;1396385581;kakobrekla;anyway time is out.
598336;1396385586;truffles;this is tldr stuff
598337;1396385597;truffles;dude i can shorten this up for u
598338;1396385602;gx;it's an email blast that we sent to our subscribers, it's not meant to be short nor tldr
598339;1396385608;thestringpuller;damn stop wasting kako's time
598340;1396385610;thestringpuller;he has like
598341;1396385610;truffles;umk
598342;1396385612;thestringpuller;stuff to do
598343;1396385638;thestringpuller;ask kako .01 btc / answer
598344;1396385649;truffles;its kinda bad was offering free help u know
598345;1396385651;gx;regardless, we're still in alpha, we're not listing the specific exchanges although they can be seen in the screenshots.
598346;1396385694;gx;i appreciate any help- and i expected criticism. main thing is just trying to get the word out.
598347;1396385694;truffles;anyways it nice to see creativity
598348;1396385700;thestringpuller;okay don't listen gx
598349;1396385702;thestringpuller;get the word out
598350;1396385708;thestringpuller;have a bunch of people use your product
598351;1396385715;thestringpuller;then it fails for the smallest reason
598352;1396385717;thestringpuller;then everyone hates you
598353;1396385724;truffles;i wont hate u
598354;1396385730;thestringpuller;truffles won't hate you
598355;1396385806;gx;i don't care if anyone hates me, i pasted it here for a reason, harshest critics :)
598356;1396385826;truffles;i think theyre being nice though
598357;1396385891;thestringpuller;gx hate is a dumb word, lets use distrust instead
598358;1396385908;truffles;u trust him now then
598359;1396385912;thestringpuller;if people distrust you, then you have no foundation at all, and getting this "word out" is meaningless
598360;1396385943;gx;understandable. we'll be updating the site with more information about us, including shoe pics, SSNs, etc soon.
598361;1396385970;mike_c;;;gettrust gx
598362;1396385970;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mike_c to user gx: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mike_c&dest=gx | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gx | Rated since: Sat May 25 10:25:06 2013
598363;1396385971;twizt;lol
598364;1396385978;rithm;;;ident
598365;1396385978;gribble;Nick 'rithm', with hostmask 'rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm', is identified as user 'rithm', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 113UToFpzVkTHnavtNkUJtjdFQW2BU5xLW
598366;1396385984;rithm;no trust here either gx
598367;1396385989;rithm;don't feel bad
598368;1396385999;gx;you guys are really crushing my soul right now.
598369;1396386018;twizt;dude who cares look at ur [m
598370;1396386020;twizt;pm*
598371;1396386021;twizt;lol
598372;1396386023;truffles;u can always start over
598373;1396386023;mircea_popescu;gx so who might you be ?
598374;1396386056;gx;mircea_popescu i'm just a coder with ambition, that's all. and i've done trades on otc, just not under this nick
598375;1396386067;thestringpuller;;;gettrust gx
598376;1396386068;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user gx: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=gx | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gx | Rated since: Sat May 25 10:25:06 2013
598377;1396386082;mircea_popescu;well under which nick ?
598378;1396386108;thestringpuller;This user is currently NOT AUTHENTICATED. This user has not authenticated for more than 311 days. If you are currently talking to someone who claims to be this person, you may be talking to an impostor and scammer.
598379;1396386109;gx;i'm trying to remember, it was a damn long time ago
598380;1396386122;thestringpuller;smh
598381;1396386130;mircea_popescu;so then nm that neh ?
598382;1396386137;mircea_popescu;anyway. so you're a coder with ambition. got a name ?
598383;1396386153;gx;sure, my name is william kehl. add me to your untrusted sources file :)
598384;1396386163;mircea_popescu;phf` lmao that's pretty kickass a name
598385;1396386178;BingoBoingo;http://www.mst.edu/
598386;1396386178;ozbot;Missouri University of Science and Technology
598387;1396386183;mircea_popescu;aite.
598388;1396386193;gx;anyways. my otc nick wouldve been gxdia or guardia, guess i didnt deal with that. maybe i'm thinking of litecoin otc
598389;1396386199;gx;if that exists
598390;1396386204;mircea_popescu;afaik it does not.
598391;1396386214;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php that's a full list tho
598392;1396386215;rithm;;;gpg info guardia
598393;1396386215;gribble;No such user registered.
598394;1396386225;rithm;;;gpg info gxdia
598395;1396386225;gribble;No such user registered.
598396;1396386244;thestringpuller;;;gpg info gx
598397;1396386245;gribble;User 'gx', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 14nQyQz1mxgPTmq7BGTQpgtT6mGdmsikeD, registered on Sat May 25 09:20:22 2013, last authed on Sat May 25 06:20:22 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=gx . Currently not authenticated.
598398;1396386252;rithm;bam
598399;1396386254;gx;guess not- i've bought and sold via irc though. a few years ago. guess i'll register with otc and then all will be well
598400;1396386267;mircea_popescu;o look TomServo lives. /me waves
598401;1396386271;rithm;;;balance 14nQyQz1mxgPTmq7BGTQpgtT6mGdmsikeD
598402;1396386272;gribble;0
598403;1396386275;gx;since having an otc account is some standard of trust, lmao
598404;1396386277;thestringpuller;lol
598405;1396386279;rithm;you guys are stalkers sheesh
598406;1396386291;thestringpuller;WoT works tho...
598407;1396386294;TomServo;mircea_popescu: Ahoy!
598408;1396386301;thestringpuller;;;gettrust Athero
598409;1396386302;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Athero: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Athero | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Athero | Rated since: never
598410;1396386308;thestringpuller;;;gettrust Aethero
598411;1396386308;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Aethero: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Aethero | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Aethero | Rated since: Wed May  2 19:24:52 2012
598412;1396386311;rithm;aethero
598413;1396386315;rithm;like the butterfly
598414;1396386329;rithm;it's a genus or a species i do not reminder
598415;1396386337;mircea_popescu;this log is too short. pls thestringpuller to halp elongating ty.
598416;1396386337;rithm;lepidoptera was his girl
598417;1396386383;mircea_popescu;gx ok so you're an ambitious coder by the name of kehl, and you did what ?
598418;1396386402;mircea_popescu;some sort of autotrader script or am i not following ?
598419;1396386423;gx;metrics and autotrading script that ties into multiple exchanges, yes.
598420;1396386439;mircea_popescu;cool.
598421;1396386446;gx;and i'm still digging up my otc account
598422;1396386448;gx;i swear i have one
598423;1396386460;mircea_popescu;you have any sort of relevant background ? like being a quant or a latency tech or something ?
598424;1396386463;gx;ctrl+f'ing all over the place
598425;1396386468;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.58549129 = 11.1243 BTC [-] {10} 
598426;1396386491;gx;mircea_popescu i'm just a coder, but my biz partner has experience with quant and we have advisors who are daytraders
598427;1396386513;mircea_popescu;ic.
598428;1396386527;mircea_popescu;well, lotsa new people on here these days, pretty cool.
598429;1396386540;gx;i've been idling in here for quite awhile, just dont speak up much
598430;1396386561;mircea_popescu;either that or you're significantly brighter than the average and just got lucky.
598431;1396386607;mircea_popescu;anyway. i gotta go now to stand trial as a witness in a civil proceeding @ a local bar, so.
598432;1396386614;mircea_popescu;plz don't break bitcoin while i
598433;1396386616;mircea_popescu;'m gone.
598434;1396386618;gx;enjoy
598435;1396386623;mircea_popescu;i wanna be here to liveblog it when it happens.
598436;1396386681;diametric;so, i'm sifting through the scrollback. some kind of daytrading tool coming out soon?
598437;1396386697;gx;i also have to bow out for some beers, it's been a pleasure, thanks for the lambasting everyone
598438;1396386700;gx;;) hugz
598439;1396386712;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.068 = 0.476 BTC [-]
598440;1396387444;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+]
598441;1396387627;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 137 @ 0.0075 = 1.0275 BTC [+]
598442;1396387688;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06869732 = 0.3435 BTC [+] {2} 
598443;1396388115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55019 @ 0.00094238 = 51.8488 BTC [+] {5} 
598444;1396389051;benkay;did i hear truffles is back?
598445;1396389704;benkay;truffles is back, all these new faces
598446;1396389709;benkay;something's fishy.
598447;1396390921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06700001 = 0.201 BTC [-]
598448;1396391775;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00083501 = 0.2505 BTC [-]
598449;1396391836;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 317 @ 0.000835 = 0.2647 BTC [-] {4} 
598450;1396391908;zacm;WOW mpex in bloomberg
598451;1396392037;arizona;yessiree
598452;1396392098;tg2;Dun dun dunnnn
598453;1396392202;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 81 @ 0.00313709 = 0.2541 BTC [-] {7} 
598454;1396392260;benkay;not the old news?
598455;1396392298;benkay;or very much the old news.
598456;1396392305;dexX7;live? link?
598457;1396392422;benkay;http://search1.bloomberg.com/search/?content_type=all&page=1&q=mpex
598458;1396392423;ozbot;mpex - Bloomberg Search
598459;1396392435;dexX7;21 Mar 2014?
598460;1396392435;benkay;silly socks are silly, trolling with old news
598461;1396392441;dexX7;yea
598462;1396392451;benkay;zacm, arizona, tg2
598463;1396392457;benkay;no subtlety, these guys.
598464;1396392477;dexX7;i think zacm is legit, have seen him in #bitfunder for a long time
598465;1396392490;benkay;ah well bitfunder == legit then nooz to me
598466;1396392497;tg2;what about arizona
598467;1396392540;tg2;oic, sock accuasations from benkay - ahem
598468;1396392584;tg2;;;gpg eauth tg2
598469;1396392585;gribble;Request successful for user tg2, hostmask tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/31FAA963C3333333
598470;1396392595;benkay;well, 'sock'
598471;1396392611;benkay;who are you again?
598472;1396392649;tg2;;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:288632a9b19b898d49bd8da2a1e442d4f3aac51b71cde6fc8d4609ae
598473;1396392650;gribble;You are now authenticated for user tg2 with key 31FAA963C3333333
598474;1396392657;pankkake;zacm is a legit idiot, yes
598475;1396392673;tg2;benkay why u calling me a sock
598476;1396392689;tg2;sock for who
598477;1396392690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00094378 = 27.4168 BTC [+] {2} 
598478;1396392694;tg2;which secret agenda am I pushing here lol
598479;1396392699;benkay;u savvy scare quotes?
598480;1396392724;tg2;scare for what?
598481;1396392746;benkay;implies b) c) or d) definitions for word
598482;1396392759;benkay;or maybe just a shibboleth
598483;1396392787;benkay;hard to tell on the internet.
598484;1396392789;benkay;hello?
598485;1396392790;benkay;this is dog.
598486;1396392856;tg2;you skipped your clozaril regimen?
598487;1396392884;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1767942/plain/)
598488;1396392884;benkay;!b 8
598489;1396392947;KRS-One;.bait
598490;1396392949;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m305oyIb8V1qf3yy5o1_1280.jpg
598491;1396392955;tg2;> implying
598492;1396392963;KRS-One;T'sup nubbins.
598493;1396392977;pankkake;nice dress
598494;1396392977;nubbins`;having a business meeting :0
598495;1396393035;benkay;well get off irc! how rude.
598496;1396393066;tg2;> business meeting is on irc
598497;1396393070;zacm;hm
598498;1396393141;zacm;so this is disconcerting to see the lemmings on bitcointalk cheer on us gov action against mpex people. bitcoin community must be eagerly anticipating govcoin i guess
598499;1396393161;benkay;what, govcoin?
598500;1396393176;zacm;the article is from 2014-03-19 but I only saw it today from this bitcointalk post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.0
598501;1396393182;benkay;not three years of 'forum sucks, mpex at least isn't a scam' getting under everyone's skin?
598502;1396393184;dexX7;ah okay
598503;1396393188;dexX7;yea it's kinda old news
598504;1396393193;zacm;benkay, or whatever the federally approved crypto ends up being...
598505;1396393212;tg2;federally approved lol
598506;1396393213;dexX7;there is another thread opened by mpoe-pr
598507;1396393244;benkay;o there's a new photo of mircea_popescu
598508;1396393248;dexX7;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520882.0
598509;1396393249;ozbot;Interacting with fiat institutions [such as the SEC], a guide
598510;1396393257;tg2;mpoe-pr lol
598511;1396393329;pankkake;that pic is horrible. *saves*
598512;1396393786;tg2;has anybody put any thought into a bitcoin insurance company?
598513;1396393800;tg2;not in the sense that "oh we'll replace your bitcoins if they get stolen or lost" type of stuff
598514;1396393808;dexX7;but?
598515;1396393808;tg2;but for insuring companies that are traded
598516;1396393821;dexX7;?
598517;1396393831;neilol;like a credit default swap
598518;1396393833;neilol;i guess
598519;1396393834;dexX7;ah
598520;1396393840;neilol;need a derivative market
598521;1396393846;tg2;would make sense
598522;1396393855;tg2;you'd have to evaluate the business being insured
598523;1396393856;neilol;might be tough to get someone to take the other side
598524;1396393859;tg2;figure out a premium that makes sense
598525;1396393876;benkay;which companies would you insure, tg2 ?
598526;1396393880;dexX7;well, there are afaik a few who want to open an insurance serivce.. even this twobitsidiot
598527;1396393892;tg2;any companies, they companies would pay the insurance as a sign of faith against insolvency
598528;1396393893;dexX7;and reddit rumors mentioned a "big player"
598529;1396393910;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.066 = 0.198 BTC [-]
598530;1396393927;benkay;well given that 99% of 'bitcoin companies' are barely concealed scams, the thing doesn't fly unless you can point at a potential customer that's not a scam.
598531;1396393934;neilol;well SecondMarket CEO said that some large insurance companies were approaching him looking to create products around btc
598532;1396393939;tg2;maybe not like insurance, but instead a certification
598533;1396393949;neilol;like an auditor
598534;1396393955;neilol;someone audited coinbase
598535;1396393956;dexX7;ah, i think that was what i meant, neilol
598536;1396393969;tg2;well not exactly
598537;1396393971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0655 = 0.4585 BTC [-] {2} 
598538;1396393974;neilol;its definitely a business
598539;1396393975;turbo_ac100;There is a working bitbet search plugin on mycroft now (no ref :P). The 2nd hit is the right one. For it to make sense it should be made auto-discoverable though. Like so https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/Creating_OpenSearch_plugins_for_Firefox#Autodiscovery_of_search_plugins
598540;1396393982;tg2;there would be certification requirements
598541;1396393987;tg2;like proving that you are solvent every so often
598542;1396393991;tg2;proving that you follow certain guidelines
598543;1396393995;dignork;neilol, but audit was strictly technical, keys safety etc.
598544;1396394000;tg2;proving that certain key individuals are known identities
598545;1396394004;tg2;and who have actual real-world assets
598546;1396394008;tg2;without having them divulge that
598547;1396394011;tg2;but if they break their certification
598548;1396394019;tg2;everybody knows right away
598549;1396394032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33503 @ 0.00094352 = 31.6108 BTC [-] {2} 
598550;1396394040;tg2;a hybrid bond/certification system
598551;1396394044;neilol;yeah dignork you're right. I'm thinking something like a KPMG or Deloitte would do
598552;1396394052;benkay;seems a bit premature. there's barely anyone to trust in the first place, much less people in whom one can trust instead of actually trusting your counterparty.
598553;1396394059;neilol;full rip through of financials, accounts, investory etc and certify books match real life
598554;1396394064;tg2;no but I think that now would be time for that
598555;1396394086;benkay;neilol: let's just get someone who's not an MPEx scam to issue financials first before we worry about auditing those financials, eh?
598556;1396394094;neilol;haha
598557;1396394098;mike_c;he's not kidding.
598558;1396394100;benkay;tg2: so start building some trust. run that operation.
598559;1396394105;tg2;it allows exchanges to prove to a certain degree of trust that that they are solvent without having to show their cold wallets to everybody
598560;1396394114;tg2;liek an audit
598561;1396394117;neilol;wild west has its drawbacks
598562;1396394123;tg2;but with an additional level of oversight
598563;1396394145;benkay;tg2: you'll have to overcome the stigma ratings agencies in btc face post-pirate.
598564;1396394162;neilol;begs the question: how could you do an audit without counter party trust
598565;1396394169;neilol;might be an oxymoron
598566;1396394174;benkay;no that is actually the question
598567;1396394184;benkay;trust is that which all business runs on.
598568;1396394188;benkay;no trust, no business.
598569;1396394207;benkay;"trust but verify" requires trusting first.
598570;1396394216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-]
598571;1396394217;kakobrekla;turbo_ac100 the second hit?
598572;1396394243;tg2;it does yes
598573;1396394258;tg2;why do people trust bonds
598574;1396394260;HeySteve;working on a Proof of Trust coin. the Web of Trust has been an inspiration
598575;1396394262;tg2;why do they trust fannie/freddy
598576;1396394277;tg2;not that it isn't misplaced
598577;1396394277;benkay;tg2: why do they trust neobee?
598578;1396394286;benkay;tg2: why did they trust pirate?
598579;1396394294;benkay;tg2: why do people by pmbs?
598580;1396394318;tg2;well that is different, those people had direct interests with the company they were representing
598581;1396394324;mike_c;we need a trusted auditing company like Arthur Anderson
598582;1396394337;mike_c;then this shit won't happen anymore
598583;1396394351;benkay;we need companies that need auditing first, mike_c .
598584;1396394355;benkay;"need", also.
598585;1396394371;tg2;<benkay> we need companies that need auditing first, mike_c .
598586;1396394387;mike_c;ugh. how old are you guys?
598587;1396394394;mike_c;is enron before your time?
598588;1396394395;tg2;<benkay> well given that 99% of 'bitcoin companies' are barely concealed scams
598589;1396394396;benkay;too young :)
598590;1396394402;benkay;not entirely.
598591;1396394427;tg2;I think there is a need for this kind of liability secured "trust"
598592;1396394427;benkay;but let's go down the list by market cap, shall we?
598593;1396394441;benkay;who's got the biggest mktcap in btc-denominated securities?
598594;1396394444;tg2;sort of like a whoisguard but that holds the parties behind it responsible and sets up audit procedures and processes they have to follow
598595;1396394452;tg2;like a hybrid ISO and compliance board
598596;1396394467;tg2;really a 3rd party
598597;1396394488;tg2;who's best interest is in securing these businseses
598598;1396394496;benkay;;;calc 0.00094307 * 1000000000
598599;1396394496;gribble;943070
598600;1396394503;benkay;so that's mpex
598601;1396394510;benkay;almost a mil.
598602;1396394521;tg2;500m $USD
598603;1396394534;tg2;yet it holds no liability to the companies it lists OR the individuals that invest in it
598604;1396394542;tg2;*invest in those companies
598605;1396394572;benkay;"holds no liability to the companies it lists"
598606;1396394574;benkay;uh
598607;1396394581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00093956 = 10.2412 BTC [-]
598608;1396394581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
598609;1396394583;benkay;like i'm twelve, please.
598610;1396394590;tg2;its worth $500m
598611;1396394599;benkay;943k, but semantics.
598612;1396394600;tg2;that is no security against the companies it lists running away and taking everyones $
598613;1396394611;benkay;are you familiar with bitvps, tg2 ?
598614;1396394618;tg2;yes i just read it actually
598615;1396394622;tg2;from the link posted by mircea_popescu before
598616;1396394637;benkay;so...
598617;1396394703;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0569 = 0.1707 BTC [-]
598618;1396394712;tg2;you're asking how a situation like that could have been mitigated by sucha  trust organization?
598619;1396394747;benkay;har the value of S.MPOE is probably in that mircea_popescu delisted bitvps 'aggressively', whereas everyone else lists outright scams.
598620;1396394766;benkay;not really. everyone got paid out at par per the contract.
598621;1396394769;benkay;nothing to mitigate.
598622;1396394779;tg2;who paid them out
598623;1396394783;benkay;mpex
598624;1396394788;benkay;this trust thing, you see.
598625;1396394789;tg2;ok, I didn't read that in the delisting doc
598626;1396394810;benkay;well if it didn't happen you have quite the scoop there
598627;1396394814;tg2;no legal recourse from mpex -> bitvps?
598628;1396394821;benkay;;;google trilema gpg contracts
598629;1396394823;gribble;GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/>; The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-of-bitcoin-regulation/>; Some basic discussion of Bitcoin macroeconomy pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/>
598630;1396394825;benkay;no recourse in bitcoin.
598631;1396394841;tg2;but this company operates in the meatspace
598632;1396394872;benkay;think about it for a while
598633;1396394875;benkay;read the stuff
598634;1396394888;benkay;everything ultimately operates in meatspace.
598635;1396394890;benkay;ffs...
598636;1396394914;kakobrekla;that link should be in the wiki
598637;1396394923;tg2;I honestly wasn't aware that mpex paid out for delinquent listings
598638;1396394936;benkay;tg2: you should read the listing contracts.
598639;1396395024;benkay;so anyways if you come up with anyone to whom you'd sell this bond/insurance/rating thinger let us know
598640;1396395029;benkay;but it sounds a little defocused.
598641;1396395043;turbo_ac100;kakobrekla: second hit when searching on mycroft. There are two versions since they (he?) do versioning by hand. Since 1998 I guess...
598642;1396395051;tg2;I'm just surprised that noone has pursued it, it seems that mpex is doing just that however by covering their delinquent listers
598643;1396395062;tg2;so that is good to see, not sure why that isn't advertised more prominently
598644;1396395094;kakobrekla;turbo_ac100  i managed to come to that page but i still dot get it, what is the url that needs to be provided for the plugin
598645;1396395099;benkay;refrain of everyone who's looked into mpex more thoroughly, tg2
598646;1396395104;benkay;been there myself
598647;1396395120;benkay;the 'why' tho is that mp doesn't care about people who don't read in detail.
598648;1396395158;tg2;makes sense
598649;1396395169;tg2;I read the listing criteria I saw nothing about absolving personal liability in ti
598650;1396395177;tg2;other than WOT
598651;1396395184;benkay;well read the gpg contracts thing
598652;1396395185;kakobrekla;apparently theres some xml file ?
598653;1396395202;tg2;but I guess that would go against it
598654;1396395202;benkay;'no recourse in bitcoin'
598655;1396395207;tg2;^
598656;1396395252;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05699999 = 0.171 BTC [+]
598657;1396395283;kakobrekla;turbo_ac100  can you pastebin the xml ?
598658;1396395313;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-]
598659;1396395328;turbo_ac100;sure
598660;1396395435;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06473333 = 0.1942 BTC [-] {2} 
598661;1396395532;turbo_ac100;http://pastebin.com/X6T6RJ19
598662;1396395532;ozbot;[XML] bitbet search - Pastebin.com
598663;1396395606;turbo_ac100;The "template" part should be axed. The mail address used was a meltmail.
598664;1396395625;antephialtic;http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/01/us-bitcoin-mtgox-karpeles-idUSBREA3021920140401?irpc=932
598665;1396395626;ozbot;Judge orders Mt Gox CEO to U.S. for questions on failed bitcoin exchange
598666;1396395642;antephialtic;Karpeles in the US - should be interesting
598667;1396395870;kakobrekla;added to bitbet, can someone with firefox confirm it is actually working
598668;1396395923;mike_c;it should be here? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?atype=4
598669;1396395953;kakobrekla;i have no clue
598670;1396396023;mike_c;might have worked http://i.imgur.com/WD4R2ZI.png
598671;1396396035;mike_c;i don't know if that was there before :)
598672;1396396056;turbo_ac100;for me it says Firefox couldn't download search engine http://bitbet.us/media/search.xml
598673;1396396093;mike_c;"error on line 10 at column 16: Opening and ending tag mismatch: Image line 0 and SearchPlugin"
598674;1396396112;turbo_ac100;newline fuck up?
598675;1396396129;mike_c;looks like <os:Image tag is not closed
598676;1396396152;mike_c;or rather, it is closed before the 'data' element.
598677;1396396172;turbo_ac100;ehm.
598678;1396396181;turbo_ac100;my bad. Just a second
598679;1396396189;kakobrekla;hm
598680;1396396196;kakobrekla;i removed one part of it
598681;1396396205;kakobrekla;this
598682;1396396206;kakobrekla;<os:Url type="application/opensearchdescription+xml" method="GET" template="http://mycroftproject.com/updateos.php/id0/bitbetusv4.xml" rel="self">
598683;1396396206;kakobrekla;</os:Url>
598684;1396396214;mike_c;i mean this line:
598685;1396396217;kakobrekla;isnt this waht you said to axe out
598686;1396396224;mike_c;<os:Image width="16" height="16">data:image/x-icon;base64,AAABAAIAEBAAAAAAIABoBAAAJgAAACAgAAAAACAAqBAAAI4EAAAoAAAAEAAAACAAAAABACAAAAAAAEAEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA////Af///wH///8B///$
598687;1396396275;kakobrekla;a yea
598688;1396396320;turbo_ac100;http://pastebin.com/sax3cFV7
598689;1396396320;ozbot;[XML] bitbet search - Pastebin.com
598690;1396396342;kakobrekla;aha
598691;1396396361;kakobrekla;what about that get template thing
598692;1396396415;kakobrekla;mike_c  does it work nao?
598693;1396396458;mike_c;looks good to me
598694;1396396465;turbo_ac100;second to last line there is a 'template=' part pointing to mycroft that *shouldn't* be needed since you can't use the template anyway
598695;1396396470;turbo_ac100;works here too
598696;1396396476;kakobrekla;great, thank you both
598697;1396396480;kakobrekla;;;rated turbo_ac100
598698;1396396480;gribble;You have not yet rated user turbo_ac100
598699;1396396492;kakobrekla;;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet
598700;1396396493;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
598701;1396396505;kakobrekla;do you have a handle?
598702;1396396544;turbo_ac100;Will register. Haven't done so for too long. I'll come back to you.
598703;1396396554;kakobrekla;okie
598704;1396396554;mike_c;just what i needed.. easier access to bitbet.  there goes another pile of coins.
598705;1396396560;kakobrekla;lol
598706;1396396561;mike_c;thanks turbo_ac100!
598707;1396396575;turbo_ac100;Itch == scratched!
598708;1396397170;benkay;beery musings on hiring cut rate developers and bringing technical debt down on your non-technical ass: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/01_i-dont-build-vms-on-developer-machines.html
598709;1396397203;benkay;blackwhite, mike_c mircea_popescu kakobrekla jurov and others with experience in software game thoughts welcome
598710;1396397246;BingoBoingo;Fodder for people writing BitBets http://deadspin.com/60-maybe-surprising-player-projections-from-baseball-1556153816
598711;1396397265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20797 @ 0.00093956 = 19.54 BTC [-]
598712;1396397692;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 37 @ 0.04297892 = 1.5902 BTC [-] {17} 
598713;1396397724;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=552981.msg6025913#msg6025913
598714;1396397725;ozbot;MPOE-PR Perma-Banned after warning, Temp Ban more appropriate?
598715;1396397752;pankkake;:(
598716;1396397795;benkay;she needs a break anyways
598717;1396397808;benkay;all that cortisol's gotta hurt after a while
598718;1396397889;BingoBoingo;Yeah.
598719;1396397962;blurden;who was she?
598720;1396398058;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 753 @ 0.00093959 = 0.7075 BTC [+]
598721;1396398060;BingoBoingo;blurden: She did PR work for mircea_popescu on the forum. And was banned yesterday. Only real ourcomes is the forum is nao shittier and MPEx loses a recurring expense.
598722;1396398071;benkay;;;ticker m s.mpoe
598723;1396398071;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
598724;1396398081;benkay;!t m s.mpoe
598725;1396398082;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00093761 / 0.00094363 / 0.00095224 (1204518 shares, 1,136.63 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094315 / 0.00095866 (6836953 shares, 6,448.31 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087678 / 0.00096 (29662669 shares, 26,007.79 BTC)
598726;1396398090;BingoBoingo;!t h neo
598727;1396398090;assbot;The vision of Christ that thou dost see ... is my vision's greatest enemy.
598728;1396398113;benkay;!t h neobee
598729;1396398114;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D:  / 0 /  (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.00222093 / 0.00288888 (79093 shares, 175.66021386 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00341061 / 0.00540000 (458355 shares, 1563.26867969 BTC)
598730;1396398282;blurden;!t h rentalstarter
598731;1396398283;assbot;The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
598732;1396398299;blurden;!t h rent
598733;1396398300;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (1705 shares, 12.78750000 BTC), 7D: 0.00525030 / 0.00722193 / 0.00750000 (20590 shares, 148.69955354 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00614936 / 0.00900001 (59161 shares, 363.80201440 BTC)
598734;1396398329;BingoBoingo;! h cog
598735;1396398414;BingoBoingo;http://bitslog.wordpress.com/2014/04/01/the-people-behind-bitcoin/
598736;1396398415;ozbot;The people behind Bitcoin | bitslog
598737;1396398549;benkay;"So once again, I must thank Aravind, Gavin, Timo, Luis and all other great people for being behind Bitcoin, which means no other thing that transmitting the passion for it to other people."
598738;1396398642;BingoBoingo;I smell another hardfork in the next 18 months
598739;1396399034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62450 @ 0.00093696 = 58.5132 BTC [-] {3} 
598740;1396399093;turbo_ac100;!t h cog
598741;1396399093;assbot;[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D:  / 0 /  (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D:  / 0 /  (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03005337 / 0.06998899 (913 shares, 27.43872983 BTC)
598742;1396399095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00093677 = 6.37 BTC [-]
598743;1396399142;kakobrekla;more of a FOG than COG
598744;1396399184;pankkake;kakobrekla do you know who banned you?
598745;1396399203;kakobrekla;first time yes, second time no
598746;1396399219;pankkake;so they actually act anonymously. cowardly scum
598747;1396399274;pankkake;who was the first?
598748;1396399289;kakobrekla;badbear
598749;1396399323;pankkake;ah, with the good trust trating already lol
598750;1396400263;asciilifeform;;;gpg eauth asciilifeform
598751;1396400263;gribble;Request successful for user asciilifeform, hostmask asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-246-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B98228A001ABFFC7
598752;1396400326;asciilifeform;;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:6d513a0718c57a04a7b7789d1718a0451eb1f4173191a8c2476bf21b
598753;1396400327;gribble;You are now authenticated for user asciilifeform with key B98228A001ABFFC7
598754;1396400373;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-march-2014-statement << looks correct.
598755;1396400390;asciilifeform;damn i leave for one day to do meatspace crap and miss all the fun.
598756;1396400474;asciilifeform;how difficult is it to get listed on mpex... kakobrekla asciilifeform etc could comment on it << i still have no idea what to say to hypothetical random people who want to be listed.
598757;1396400496;asciilifeform;aside from 'have useful idea, mp might invite you as co-author'
598758;1396400627;mike_c;well, you're skipping the step where you spent x years becoming an expert in your field.
598759;1396400643;BingoBoingo;Well, the history of ventures without MP as a coauthor on MPEx hasn't been spectacular with X.EUR's fate undetermined as of yet. Maybe davout should be included in the asked as well.
598760;1396401006;asciilifeform;plenty of people know how to program.
598761;1396401029;asciilifeform;but, for some reason, they are all very far away.
598762;1396401037;asciilifeform;or, almost all.
598763;1396401352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10347 @ 0.00093871 = 9.7128 BTC [+]
598764;1396401524;BingoBoingo;Well, there's programing, programming well, copypasta, and then just being a dick to a REPL prompt
598765;1396401541;BCB;who did MP piss off this time?
598766;1396401552;BingoBoingo;BCB: The PR pissed off Maged
598767;1396401568;BCB;ha
598768;1396401577;BCB;what happened  ;;tldr
598769;1396401593;BingoBoingo;Maged or other mods had been deleting posts, so... loss doesn't seem to be big
598770;1396401599;mike_c;maged: "shut up".  PR: "fuck you".  maged: "you're banned".
598771;1396401611;BingoBoingo;Basically it was the NeoBee thread.
598772;1396401626;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/01/betting-analysis-gems-bitbet-py/
598773;1396401627;ozbot;Betting Analysis Gems: BitBet.py | Bingo Blog
598774;1396401703;mike_c;BingoBoingo: can you wrap that in <pre></pre> ?
598775;1396401745;BingoBoingo;mike_c: It doesn't work with the footnotes tool like that. Simply returns the same result.
598776;1396401759;BingoBoingo;And April Fools, so puzzle
598777;1396401799;mike_c;hehe. you are full of puzzles lately.
598778;1396401885;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Well, why not?
598779;1396401905;mike_c;no reason. keep us on our toes.
598780;1396402035;BingoBoingo;At least I didn't try translating the thing to a LISP first
598781;1396402650;MisterE;haha: http://isecpartners.github.io/passwords/2014/03/31/smart-password-evaluator.html
598782;1396402677;MisterE;All ur pass are belong to iSec
598783;1396402677;asciilifeform;MisterE: reminiscent of the 'is my bank card stolen' service.
598784;1396402687;MisterE;:D
598785;1396402878;asciilifeform;for those who remember mp's essay about bezzle-dollars:
598786;1396402896;asciilifeform;apparently one of the things you can't get for these is: rental house in the wash. dc metro area.
598787;1396402921;asciilifeform;it is always one thing to read a philosophical bit, and another to taste it on one's sorry skin
598788;1396402999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40216 @ 0.00094042 = 37.8199 BTC [+] {2} 
598789;1396403009;asciilifeform;if only we had that 'rental starter' crap here.
598790;1396403114;*;asciilifeform will soon have finished 7th year in a 30 m^2 flat.
598791;1396403158;MisterE;I live in a box too
598792;1396403248;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, if moving to the midwest was an option for you...
598793;1396403270;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'd move to antarctica if there were work there.
598794;1396403286;BingoBoingo;And such is the problem
598795;1396403298;asciilifeform;hell, to mars.
598796;1396403487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00583999 = 0.292 BTC [+] {3} 
598797;1396403670;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00584186 = 0.222 BTC [+] {2} 
598798;1396403722;asciilifeform;not far off is the day when the black mold outweighs me, gram for gram.
598799;1396403772;BingoBoingo;Well, I had the great fortune of once living next to the bulding whose walkway collapsed first
598800;1396403800;asciilifeform;i do believe that my kitchen floor will collapse 'when', not 'if'
598801;1396403804;MisterE;LMAO @ MOPE PR banned
598802;1396403867;thestringpuller;old news
598803;1396403870;thestringpuller;check logs
598804;1396403872;thestringpuller;move on
598805;1396403908;MisterE;so a comment is not allowed being that the world and this chanel doesn't revolve around your time zone?
598806;1396403960;MisterE;I dont read bitcointalk unless directed to it
598807;1396403972;thestringpuller;what time zone are you in?
598808;1396404344;MisterE;+7
598809;1396404349;MisterE;Bangkok
598810;1396404463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17895 @ 0.00094128 = 16.8442 BTC [+]
598811;1396404624;thestringpuller;whatever happened to goat?
598812;1396404665;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Now he wants Garr's head
598813;1396404698;thestringpuller;lolol whut?
598814;1396404740;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Now that Cog has become so far beyond saving, he finally got angry
598815;1396404781;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/kKgYXoH
598816;1396404782;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
598817;1396404787;nubbins`;^ early draft of a poster we're working on
598818;1396404788;nubbins`;lel
598819;1396404813;benkay;embiggen sunburst
598820;1396404893;KRS-One;Vaca Cabeza.
598821;1396404928;KRS-One;If anyone spots a tsunami lemme know.
598822;1396405308;MisterE;yea been loking myself
598823;1396405314;MisterE;this is where it is headed
598824;1396405744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00094128 = 5.177 BTC [+]
598825;1396405767;Mats_cd03;a tsunami is coming towards your home
598826;1396405793;Mats_cd03;created by local field disturbances created by...
598827;1396405797;Mats_cd03;your mother
598828;1396405910;MisterE;not possible, mother is not local
598829;1396405969;nubbins`;heh, a guy i sold a casascius coin to has decided he really can't afford it and is wondering if i'll buy it back from him
598830;1396405972;nubbins`;imagine
598831;1396406001;Mats_cd03;i distinctly recall saying you basically robbed the guy
598832;1396406008;Mats_cd03;so... surprise?
598833;1396406021;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i wonder if anyone would buy a casascius coin that i've touched, after what i said about them
598834;1396406025;MisterE;plot thickens...
598835;1396406049;nubbins`;Mats_cd03, i resent that!
598836;1396406055;nubbins`;nobody was basically robbed :0
598837;1396406070;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It might have extra numismatic value
598838;1396406073;asciilifeform;lol
598839;1396406131;nubbins`;asciilifeform: only way to be certain is to buy one and try to sell it ;p
598840;1396406176;nubbins`;"I've been reconsidering my finances and I'm not sure I am in a position to hold on to this collectors item"
598841;1396406305;nubbins`;i mean, i feel bad for the guy
598842;1396406314;nubbins`;but i'm not about to buy a coin off some random noob with no trust ;p
598843;1396406370;mike_c;those things are such a crapshoot. you have to trust the whole chain of people who have ever touched it.
598844;1396406486;mike_c;how's the market?  has the premium over btc moved up or down?
598845;1396406506;joecool;on those coins? they hold a nice premium
598846;1396406522;mike_c;yeah, i'm wondering the trend.  nubbins` has been dealing them for awhile
598847;1396406522;joecool;i sold mine at 50% premium months ago and i'm seeing em go for 100% over face now :-\
598848;1396406526;mike_c;wow
598849;1396406542;dexX7_;re: mpoe-pr ban ... was this an april fools joke? i don't see any sign of a ban
598850;1396406557;nubbins`;percentage over face isn't a great way to price them, it's better to think in terms of absolute value over face
598851;1396406574;nubbins`;mike_c: depends on the coins. brass ones in general pull smaller premiums
598852;1396406589;nubbins`;the silver 1btc coins fetch 2.1-2.3 these days
598853;1396406598;kakobrekla;O_O
598854;1396406601;Ken`;will mtgox yubikeys ever become a collector's item?
598855;1396406614;Ken`;got one here with logo
598856;1396406630;nubbins`;the last silver 0.5btc coin i sold (rare holo, mintage 45) went for 6btc
598857;1396406633;kakobrekla;10$ in 10 years Ken` .
598858;1396406638;nubbins`;unfortunately kako already used the largest eyes possible
598859;1396406653;joecool;nubbins`: what are the 10BTC silvers goin for?
598860;1396406671;kakobrekla;also whats with the brass hate
598861;1396406674;nubbins`;joecool i've seen rubes offering upwards of 25btc, but this is a guaranteed loss.
598862;1396406683;kakobrekla;its 99% guaranteed brass
598863;1396406685;joecool;nubbins`: omg really?
598864;1396406690;nubbins`;i wouldn't pay a satoshi over 15
598865;1396406697;joecool;nubbins`: i sold mine for 15
598866;1396406726;nubbins`;kakobrekla: honestly i don't know.
598867;1396406735;nubbins`;the casascius market is on drugs
598868;1396406748;nubbins`;2011 1btc with series-1 "error" holo: 3-5btc
598869;1396406753;joecool;it's like the miner market, OVERPAY FOR ANYTHING WITH BTC STAMP ON IT
598870;1396406774;nubbins`;2011 1btc with series-2 holo (much more rare): 2btc
598871;1396406776;nubbins`;go figure
598872;1396406790;kakobrekla;should make a special btc logo featured turdtwister
598873;1396406791;nubbins`;25btc coin: 35-40btc
598874;1396406799;nubbins`;because "less than 2x face"
598875;1396406812;mike_c;hah. nice.
598876;1396406817;nubbins`;so all the poor rubes go "ah, less than 2x face, great deal", thinking that's how coins are priced.
598877;1396406822;nubbins`;it's shocking
598878;1396406879;kakobrekla;how much are the empty ones?
598879;1396406891;nubbins`;depends, maybe a hundred bucks for a brass
598880;1396406899;kakobrekla;fucked.
598881;1396406901;nubbins`;empty 25s go for several hundred
598882;1396406908;joecool;crazy, mike's doin p.well for himself i guess
598883;1396406925;nubbins`;afaik he was independently wealthy before he started making coins
598884;1396406943;nubbins`;but yes, at the time he stopped, he no doubt had a massive pile of btc
598885;1396406958;nubbins`;i personally gave him something over 60btc
598886;1396406980;joecool;i was looking at the gox db leak, he moved coin out of there pretty quickly, i do not think he was one of the big losers in there
598887;1396407013;nubbins`;nah, he's smarter than that
598888;1396407022;MisterE;"numismatic value" lmao
598889;1396407088;nubbins`;MisterE: it's a real thing, imagine ;D
598890;1396407101;MisterE;lol I know :)
598891;1396407143;MisterE;I'd just like to buy the bullion without the numismatic part sir
598892;1396407161;MisterE;you can keep the extended warranty service too.
598893;1396407186;nubbins`;heh.
598894;1396407187;MisterE;self-sufficiency is its own reward :)
598895;1396407197;nubbins`;well, ya know... amagimetals.com, silvergoldbull.com, etc :D
598896;1396407210;MisterE;silvergoldbull haha
598897;1396407213;nubbins`;bullion is a nice hedge
598898;1396407235;nubbins`;ah hey, Square gives you a free card reader when you sign up for an account
598899;1396407236;nubbins`;neat
598900;1396407410;asciilifeform;i set the 'bozo bit' on 'square' when they caved in to the FUD and replaced their purely-analogue card reader with an elaborate crypto turd
598901;1396407424;asciilifeform;just so people couldn't use it as a generic magstripe reader.
598902;1396407443;nubbins`;too bad
598903;1396407459;MisterE;just what stores with a rack of 8 readers need, another one
598904;1396407475;asciilifeform;http://venturebeat.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/square1.jpg?w=716
598905;1396407477;asciilifeform;(new)
598906;1396407482;joecool;asciilifeform: good to know, i need to dig around and see if i have any of the old style
598907;1396407489;MisterE;I'm so glad I hang out here and dont have to track all these scams by myself
598908;1396407545;asciilifeform;http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/square.jpg?w=470&h=136
598909;1396407547;asciilifeform;(old)
598910;1396407593;MisterE;Ahh these are for smartphones
598911;1396407595;nubbins`;wow, look at that.
598912;1396407603;nubbins`;MisterE yep, turn a tablet into a PoS
598913;1396407615;asciilifeform;amazing what people are willing to spend on inserting antifeatures.
598914;1396407615;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
598915;1396407631;nubbins`;that really is a crypto-turd
598916;1396407638;MisterE;pretty good side by side comparison, obviously the old model is just a magnetic head
598917;1396407644;nubbins`;yeah
598918;1396407662;MisterE;pay moar, for less functionality!
598919;1396407663;nubbins`;suppose you could make one out of an old tape recorder and a few lines of objective-c
598920;1396407669;asciilifeform;excuse was, if i recall, that scammers will use the reader to lift cc #s.
598921;1396407678;asciilifeform;as if these had any trouble buying chinese readers
598922;1396407689;asciilifeform;(these, and stacks of blank cards, sell on ebay every day)
598923;1396407695;MisterE;thats exactly what I was thinking when I saw it, old tape recorder
598924;1396407731;asciilifeform;alignment is critical
598925;1396407739;asciilifeform;most cards have multiple tracks.
598926;1396407740;MisterE;yea cloning is trivial and has been I don't buy it
598927;1396407797;asciilifeform;the more realistic explanation is that they didn't care to see people write magstripe stuff using their reader
598928;1396407826;asciilifeform;(original 'square' reader was usable by any machine that had a 3.5mm headphone jack)
598929;1396407879;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61789884 = 1.2358 BTC [+] {2} 
598930;1396408133;nubbins`;nod
598931;1396408162;nubbins`;wellllll, still a tip-two ring-sleeve jack
598932;1396408172;nubbins`;tip-two-ring-sleeve
598933;1396408176;nubbins`;w/e, you know what i mean :D
598934;1396408199;nubbins`;(this is the same sort of jack that headphone+microphone combos use)
598935;1396408493;MisterE;or A/V/cables
598936;1396408500;MisterE;A/V cables*
598937;1396408550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 58 @ 0.0039993 = 0.232 BTC [-] {4} 
598938;1396408734;nubbins`;yep
598939;1396408820;asciilifeform;yeah - but the new turd craps out a blob rsa'd to square's public key.
598940;1396408825;asciilifeform;rather than plain stripe bits.
598941;1396409187;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/maged-permabanned-mpoe-pr-because-she-swore-shock.292615/page-2#post-5747430
598942;1396409188;ozbot;Maged permabanned MPOE-PR because she swore shock | Page 2 | Bitcointa.lk
598943;1396409282;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00592698 = 0.1126 BTC [+] {2} 
598944;1396409321;VanCleef;bitcointa.lk loads up really slow
598945;1396409761;MisterE;damn! http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Apr/14
598946;1396409913;Diablo-D3;lol
598947;1396409931;stompysteve;where in the world is carmen sandiego
598948;1396409936;stompysteve;i mean danny brewster
598949;1396409977;VanCleef;nobody knows
598950;1396409985;VanCleef;maybe he really is in a coma
598951;1396410022;stompysteve;doesnt make any sense
598952;1396410049;stompysteve;you would think someone would have maybe made like a half ass statement or something by now
598953;1396410110;MisterE;maybe the scammers disappeared him
598954;1396410208;stompysteve;mpex got him tied up
598955;1396410220;BingoBoingo;Who really knows if "Danny Brewster"==Danny Brewster.
598956;1396410256;stompysteve;what does he have a fake family now too lol
598957;1396410807;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
598958;1396410808;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]
598959;1396410943;BingoBoingo;stompysteve: Who is to know that Neo Danny wasn't some orderly who stole coma Danny's identity
598960;1396411112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61594729 BTC [+]
598961;1396412210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23655 @ 0.00094095 = 22.2582 BTC [-] {2} 
598962;1396412881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31529 @ 0.00094622 = 29.8334 BTC [+]
598963;1396413796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00094622 = 14.3352 BTC [+]
598964;1396414040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.056 = 0.224 BTC [-]
598965;1396417526;benkay;hey
598966;1396417529;benkay;hey assettes
598967;1396417540;benkay;every two weeks
598968;1396417549;benkay;bitcoin derp central in southeast portland
598969;1396417550;benkay;this week
598970;1396417566;benkay;"why u no spend time and energy pumping crypto train its good for everyone"
598971;1396417568;benkay;"well"
598972;1396417570;benkay;"you see"
598973;1396417581;benkay;"i am more interested in checks landing in my mailbox."
598974;1396417601;benkay;"every bit of energy spent not making checks eventually arrive in my inbox is time wasted."
598975;1396417624;benkay;"but but but this twitter tweet douchebot!"
598976;1396417633;benkay;"pennies. from paupers. get out of my face."
598977;1396417957;Mats_cd03;im content to just collect dividends from mpex
598978;1396417990;benkay;its pretttty great
598979;1396418003;Mats_cd03;i figure if btc goes up in ten years or less i can retire to a beach in asia
598980;1396418012;benkay;don't think like that
598981;1396418014;benkay;never stop hustling
598982;1396418029;Mats_cd03;i reverse engineer firmware
598983;1396418048;Mats_cd03;i can do that on a beach while getting rimmed by a thai prostitute
598984;1396418108;random_cat;what is this derp central?
598985;1396418127;Mats_cd03;bitcoin meetup i bet
598986;1396418129;benkay;central location of derpage
598987;1396418136;benkay;zone
598988;1396418137;benkay;o'clock
598989;1396418138;*;random_cat scratches behind ear over benkay comments
598990;1396418190;benkay;you and me both, random_cat
598991;1396418239;random_cat;where is this derpage happening?
598992;1396418296;benkay;a bar
598993;1396418311;benkay;do you know the area, random_cat ?
598994;1396418318;random_cat;yes
598995;1396418328;benkay;oh holy shit
598996;1396418353;benkay;uh lucky lab
598997;1396418356;benkay;se
598998;1396418358;random_cat;oic
598999;1396418365;benkay;come out in two weeks!
599000;1396418379;benkay;;;gettrust random_cat
599001;1396418379;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user random_cat: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=random_cat | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=random_cat | Rated since: Sat May 21 17:28:44 2011
599002;1396418381;random_cat;tuesdays?  what time?
599003;1396418392;benkay;every other
599004;1396418395;benkay;8p
599005;1396418400;benkay;hey tg2 you see that?
599006;1396418400;*;random_cat isn't a huge fan of lucky lab's beers
599007;1396418401;benkay;that's a rating
599008;1396418439;benkay;ya well it ain't about the beer
599009;1396418515;benkay;random_cat: pm
599010;1396418555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00093712 = 31.0655 BTC [-] {4} 
599011;1396418903;chetty;http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100026946/monks-recant-bundesbank-opens-the-door-to-qe-blitz/
599012;1396418904;ozbot;Monks recant: Bundesbank opens the door to QE blitz – Telegraph Blogs
599013;1396418982;benkay;HAW
599014;1396418984;benkay;i love ambrose
599015;1396419076;benkay;funny how the telegraph line length clusters around 72
599016;1396419334;random_cat;i'd call it awesome
599017;1396419443;benkay;i think i'm going to rebel against my gui conditioning and agree with you
599018;1396419454;benkay;TAKE THAT DAD
599019;1396419656;Mats_cd03;holy fuck this irc client rules
599020;1396419688;Mats_cd03;embeds tweets and pastebins
599021;1396419701;Mats_cd03;and i just noticed it embedded a link from gist
599022;1396419713;Mats_cd03;code snippets o/
599023;1396420003;benkay;"In several cases my changes take the form of a Turing-complete program that dynamically modifies the upstream source code in several attempts until it passes tests. I’m not kidding."
599024;1396420207;benkay;(i think he's kidding)
599025;1396420391;Mats_cd03;id love to see code for that
599026;1396420440;Diablo-D3;hes not kidding
599027;1396421604;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18044 @ 0.00093631 = 16.8948 BTC [-]
599028;1396422581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00093363 = 13.0241 BTC [-] {3} 
599029;1396424054;MisterE;bitcoin-assets.com
599030;1396424059;MisterE;lol fail
599031;1396424490;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
599032;1396424499;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 477.25, vol: 17444.61766036 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 479.435, vol: 13599.58296 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 477.1492, vol: 14700.48263507 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 488.01, vol: 43.6548417 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 464.734836, vol: 3681.68780000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 488.96, vol: 22.76701776 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 489.198088, vol: 104.27305101 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
599033;1396425569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29094 @ 0.00093362 = 27.1627 BTC [-]
599034;1396426118;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54179 @ 0.00093981 = 50.918 BTC [+] {3} 
599035;1396426728;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.056 = 1.344 BTC [-]
599036;1396426729;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 98 @ 0.0075 = 0.735 BTC [+]
599037;1396428747;peterl;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg6030319#msg6030319 danny speaks finally
599038;1396428748;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
599039;1396428750;Apocalyptic;.d
599040;1396428750;ozbot;5.007 billion | Next Diff in 626 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.0800% in 3d 16h 28m 16s
599041;1396428893;VanCleef;lol aweomsome now they are locking the thread
599042;1396429006;BingoBoingo;So... got scared, went fraud
599043;1396429057;antephialtic;... and neo is out of money and probably fucked
599044;1396429065;antephialtic;Good News For Bitcoin (TM)
599045;1396429067;VanCleef;and hes quitting
599046;1396429110;peterl;I just started a new thread for people to continue the discussion. I doubt, however, that he will answer in it.
599047;1396429128;BingoBoingo;The thing is he seems to describe it as neo's money
599048;1396429173;peterl;I wonder if the line between his money and NEO's money was not clear enough?
599049;1396429219;BingoBoingo;Seems like it as his solution to Neo's lack of money is trying to take his equity in no money for someone else's money to acquire his worthless equity
599050;1396429377;VanCleef;i knew there was something wrong when i seen pictures of their office
599051;1396429380;VanCleef;big watse of money
599052;1396429608;antephialtic;well I guess bitcoin is really going to take off in cyprus now
599053;1396429700;VanCleef;shotgun some neobee office shairs
599054;1396429702;VanCleef;chairs
599055;1396429705;VanCleef;they look mint
599056;1396430306;BingoBoingo;This is the problem that happens when Facebook is allowed to IPO and a shitty Facebook game is allow to IPO soon after
599057;1396430473;VanCleef;dotcom bubble 2.0
599058;1396430586;VanCleef;but yeh i hope MP books a flight to russia soon
599059;1396430589;VanCleef;he will be safe there
599060;1396430605;BingoBoingo;MP's probably safe most places in the world.
599061;1396430624;VanCleef;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.20
599062;1396430625;ozbot;MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges
599063;1396430634;VanCleef;scary the amount of power usa still has :/
599064;1396430645;VanCleef;go to russia dood
599065;1396430995;antephialtic;why would anyone want to buy the equity of an insolvent company
599066;1396431009;antephialtic;he doesn't mention the actual debts of neo&bee
599067;1396431026;antephialtic;which I am sure are quite massive
599068;1396431047;VanCleef;someone should make a list of all the fails this year
599069;1396431051;antephialtic;were a white knight to save them, all the existing shareholders would get wiped out anyways
599070;1396431063;BingoBoingo;The thing read as though "I wanted to go insolvent on my schedule, but I deposited with people who went insolvent first"
599071;1396431084;chetty;the sky is falling, the sky is falling the sky is falling
599072;1396431135;antephialtic;i don't have any money in neo. its just annoying to see another implosion that makes bitcoin look stupid to the rest of the unenlightened population
599073;1396431175;BingoBoingo;Eh, it seems by his retelling he could only disappear a quarter of what inputs.io disappeared. Progress-ish
599074;1396431181;chetty;agreed, that and the derps inventing stuff about MP in trouble
599075;1396431185;cazalla;those commercials are prime candidates for new subtitles aka hitler finds out type style
599076;1396431202;VanCleef;lol
599077;1396431243;chetty;not enough actual drama, must invent some more !!!
599078;1396431283;BingoBoingo;Pirate disappeared a quarter million BTC, TradeFortress disappeared 4000, Danny disappeared 1200. Soon we will get down to a single BTC being a newsworthy heist
599079;1396431446;VanCleef;dont forget bitfunder/weex scam
599080;1396431526;BingoBoingo;http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/2200w1/danny_has_broken_the_silence/cgi1862
599081;1396431542;BingoBoingo;VanCleef: Is that the thing neo bailed out for no damned reason?
599082;1396431625;cazalla;so lose 10% to cypriot banks, lose the remaining 90% to neo?
599083;1396432065;BingoBoingo;Well, just holding BTC oneself was an option
599084;1396434609;Apocalyptic;hum looks like havelock is offline
599085;1396436233;zacm;wonder what happened with bitfunder, still not been revealed
599086;1396436262;zacm;cazalla: ouch!!!
599087;1396436559;mircea_popescu;haha i got my hitler paintings today.
599088;1396436684;mircea_popescu;zacm: so this is disconcerting to see the lemmings on bitcointalk cheer on us gov action against mpex people. bitcoin community must be eagerly anticipating govcoin i guess << i wouldn't read too much into the derpage of a coupla tards tbh.
599089;1396436731;mircea_popescu;turbo_ac100 pretty cool!
599090;1396436768;Neil;Something I'd wanted to know for a long time; now I can produce this easily:   http://pastebin.com/7QSb6ypA
599091;1396436779;Neil;Block 266381 was good for 110 trillion difficulty!
599092;1396436793;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1521 @ 0.00013758 = 0.2093 BTC [+] {3} 
599093;1396436801;Neil;Also the genesis block was 2,536 times harder than necessary.  Which is odd.  It held the record for 1430 blocks.
599094;1396436816;mircea_popescu;tg2 the problem with your approach is that protocols are designed and implemented by they involved, not by the armchair generals. tis not up to you or whatever random derp on reddit to "draw up guidelines", there's no government of the people in bitcoin. there's government by bitcoin opf the people.
599095;1396436856;mircea_popescu;Neil pretty cool yeah, did you generate it ?
599096;1396436875;Neil;Yup
599097;1396436882;mircea_popescu;cool.
599098;1396436911;mircea_popescu;poor mike_c and his prime sarcasm falling on deaf ears :D
599099;1396436915;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3332 @ 0.00013799 = 0.4598 BTC [+] {4} 
599100;1396437076;mircea_popescu;blurden who are you perhaps the more instructive question.
599101;1396437128;artifexd;;;later tell Mats_cd03 What irc client are you using?
599102;1396437128;gribble;The operation succeeded.
599103;1396437339;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: it is always one thing to read a philosophical bit, and another to taste it on one's sorry skin << do tell ?
599104;1396437462;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: but i'm not about to buy a coin off some random noob with no trust ;p <<< ajaahaha the moment we've all been waioting for. nubsy baby, maybe buy it FOR ATC ?!?!?!?!
599105;1396437464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00094379 = 11.0423 BTC [+]
599106;1396437508;mircea_popescu;Ken` actually they just might.
599107;1396437855;mircea_popescu;so did neobee finally issue that vaunted first quarterly statement that really shoulda been the third ?
599108;1396437950;mircea_popescu;VanCleef: someone should make a list of all the fails this year << not such a bad idea. http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/ only goes june 2011-dec 2012. there's all of 2013 to cover, plus a chunk of 2014
599109;1396437952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18374 @ 0.00094596 = 17.3811 BTC [+] {3} 
599110;1396438007;mircea_popescu;aand all caught up. that wasnt so very bad huh.
599111;1396438219;VanCleef;nice
599112;1396438231;VanCleef;must read
599113;1396438335;jurov;wasn't benkay doing it?
599114;1396438349;VanCleef;i only get till 28th of september 2012 mp
599115;1396438370;VanCleef;8th of december sorry
599116;1396438384;bounce;``Now, whilst some might welcome the reduction in the state caused by a loss of taxation, the state is THE key economic driver of innovation, prosperity and social mobility.'' -- this widely accepted in economists' circles?
599117;1396438442;mircea_popescu;bounce only state-sponsored circles.
599118;1396438448;mircea_popescu;it's kenseyanism
599119;1396438488;mircea_popescu;austrian school holds exactly the opposite to be true. back when the us-uk alliance consisted of reagan and thatcher, the exact opposite was widely held in... amusinglyt.... the same economist circles.
599120;1396438509;bounce;seems to me a bit of a mistaking the road for the horse
599121;1396438522;VanCleef;time to update it mp
599122;1396438547;mircea_popescu;kinda yeah.
599123;1396438563;VanCleef;might take a while heh
599124;1396438669;wywialm;mircea_popescu: isn't it socialism and not keynesianism? afaik keynesianism is "the state is THE key economic driver of innovation, prosperity and social mobility" but only when there are aggregate demand defficiencies
599125;1396438688;VanCleef;ima make a lil list of the last 2 years anyway
599126;1396438699;MisterE;What do you do when you work at a scrapyard and someone brings in an unexploded WW2 bomb?
599127;1396438705;MisterE;Bust out the plasma cutter and cut it open of course... http://news.yahoo.com/bangkok-scrap-workers-killed-opening-suspected-ww2-bomb-102333123--finance.html
599128;1396438717;VanCleef;win
599129;1396438721;dexx;how comes i have the impression there are only very few successful bitcoin businesses?
599130;1396438732;VanCleef;few? that's too many
599131;1396438736;mircea_popescu;wywialm i fail to distinguish socialism and keynesianism myself.
599132;1396438736;VanCleef;maybe a couple
599133;1396438755;mircea_popescu;seems a distinction without a difference.
599134;1396438761;dexx;> they used a blow torch to try to cut open the bomb
599135;1396438762;dexx;lol
599136;1396438772;MisterE;yea, smart eh?
599137;1396438779;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/hitler-mp/
599138;1396438780;ozbot;Hitler MP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
599139;1396438787;mircea_popescu;;;eauth mircea_popescu
599140;1396438788;gribble;Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
599141;1396438815;mircea_popescu;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:55114a79cafe0a548c8c138fea790f6468e25914906b2aa5e2198e6e
599142;1396438816;gribble;You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
599143;1396438832;wywialm;well, socialism sometimes vs socialism always is a difference even in principle and not only in quantity - the market is still the default in keynesianism
599144;1396438834;mircea_popescu;;;rate DrahogErusiel 1 Artwork delivered.
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599146;1396438845;mircea_popescu;;;rate SaltySpitoon 1 Escrow agent
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599148;1396438861;dexx;hehe
599149;1396438863;mircea_popescu;btw, someone with a forum account drop a line to salty / the artist
599150;1396438870;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/portraits-commissions-and-original-paintings-by-maureen-gubia.204435/page-2#post-4486969
599151;1396438873;ozbot;portraits, commissions, and original paintings by Maureen Gubia | Page 2 | Bitcointa.lk
599152;1396438874;mircea_popescu;or post in thread or something
599153;1396438903;mircea_popescu;wywialm arguably. just like rape always and rape sometimes are ostensibly a difference in principle and not only in quantity.
599154;1396438917;mircea_popescu;like if you keep a girl tied to a post in your basement and only rape her when she's not... willing, i guess you'd call it ?
599155;1396438946;turbo_ac100;Does google rank your site worse if I dont have the relevant TLD and do geotargeting only with webmaster tools?
599156;1396438966;turbo_ac100;*yours mine - SOME site.
599157;1396438984;mircea_popescu;turbo_ac100 i don't think it makes much difference.
599158;1396439030;turbo_ac100;grounded on what?
599159;1396439052;mircea_popescu;well, is .com the relevant tld for trilema ?
599160;1396439060;mircea_popescu;was .us/trilema/ relevant ?
599161;1396439065;mircea_popescu;i saw exactly 0 difference in switching.
599162;1396439109;wywialm;mircea_popescu: great comparison - though, the keynesian would maintain that the girl's always willing, only sometimes too shy to ask
599163;1396439122;mircea_popescu;right right
599164;1396439132;mircea_popescu;we don't buy that in court, so why would we buy it otherwise.
599165;1396439146;wywialm;i'm not selling keynesianism
599166;1396439161;mircea_popescu;merely the presence of "government contracts" in the us renders entire sectors state controlled/planned
599167;1396439179;mircea_popescu;and for that matter they are well aware of this, hence the entire "conquer education by federal grant" programme past 20 years
599168;1396439190;mircea_popescu;wywialm i know you aren't, but stating it for teh record.
599169;1396439332;wywialm;you're very right on the govt contracts stuff, but i suppose the regulatory burden is much heavier for the economy than plain old fiscal intervention
599170;1396439366;mircea_popescu;the state has absolutely no business in economy at all.
599171;1396439381;mircea_popescu;this entire "oh but we know better" bs is simply mindboggling.
599172;1396439404;wywialm;true as well
599173;1396439439;mircea_popescu;anyway, as technology frees more and more time, people can't resist the temptation to try and feel it with a delusion that they actually matter.
599174;1396439469;mircea_popescu;which is teh deep reason the western world slid into socialism past century or so.
599175;1396439486;mircea_popescu;s/try and feel it/try and fill it/
599176;1396439489;wywialm;but still - i'd opt for a government scandinavian style that is just fiscally opressive but much less tries to mix with the rules
599177;1396439505;bounce;well, you know. there's things that look like economics but are more important in other respects, and so the state might well step in and run the show.
599178;1396439514;mircea_popescu;til neobee had IT'S OWN REDDIT ?! http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/
599179;1396439522;bounce;though clearly enough often enough the government has no clue either way and everyone suffers
599180;1396439523;mircea_popescu;this would be the first time reddit scammed teh btc public then ?
599181;1396439538;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0564 = 0.1692 BTC [+]
599182;1396439547;mircea_popescu;wywialm i wouldn't.
599183;1396439548;wywialm;bounce, any examples?
599184;1396439560;mircea_popescu;yeah, examples ?
599185;1396439629;bounce;say, public transport. first you end up with lots of PT companies doing their thing and a right jumble it is. then the state steps in and puts it all under one umbrella. N years later it gets a bug up the old bum about privatisation and you end up with lots of little companies again... and worse service to higher cost.
599186;1396439632;mircea_popescu;omfg, this is beyond cute. the derps on tardstalk actually tried to like... fud s.mpoe ?!
599187;1396439636;mircea_popescu;o god.
599188;1396439649;mircea_popescu;nubbins`s sides! etc!
599189;1396439721;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04349965 = 0.261 BTC [-] {4} 
599190;1396439722;mircea_popescu;bounce that's actually a great example.
599191;1396439748;bounce;or public health. you could provide good basic service to the entire population at a reasonable price (hidden in the tax bill), but if it has to be "market driven" you're certainly not going to get that. and that when it's to everyone's benefit that the workforce is healthy.
599192;1396439757;mircea_popescu;public transportation is perhaps the best way to drive that entire argument.
599193;1396439771;VanCleef;i think SatoshiIsland needs some sort of governence but it should be like a company where you hire people for the positions via very complicated hard test, previous background and experiences and these positions should be interchangable every year and performance based
599194;1396439788;VanCleef;and interviews
599195;1396439814;mircea_popescu;bounce the only way i see this to be approachable is the medieval method (still used in romania for emergency medicine say) : you hire a boss. he does whatever he wants.
599196;1396439850;mircea_popescu;this is pretty much how the guilds ran things, back when european economy actually worked. it's how romania runs emergency medicine, thge guy's name is raed arafat.
599197;1396439904;mircea_popescu;(for the exotically curious : parliament passed a law, guy went on tv to say the law fucking sucks, president called in to say well why didn't you tell me! let's iron it out!". it was a sight, the whole thing. )
599198;1396439933;wywialm;bounce: i can't see any economic justification for things turning that way. The evolution of PT in Poland is a direct proof to the contrary - a few efficient contractors in the bigger cities and between them, successfully coping with ever-increasing regulation
599199;1396439965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2980 @ 0.000081 = 0.2414 BTC [-] {11} 
599200;1396440062;bounce;heh. guilds have the same problem as, well, anything else that gets power. it tends to become more important to hold onto power (by whichever means) which eventually might come at the cost of the thing they exist for
599201;1396440078;mircea_popescu;wywialm you familiar with the dumping issue ?
599202;1396440110;bounce;so I'll buy that as a vivid example of getting the right knowledge at the right place, but don't buy the form as a solve-all.
599203;1396440130;mircea_popescu;bounce there's no solve all, outside of poincarre's.
599204;1396440132;wywialm;and regarding emergency medicine: i agree with mircea_popescu, adding that the most probable explanation for this are large economies of scale and perhaps public good as well
599205;1396440193;bounce;basic healt care at any rate. the frivolous stuff, less so. and there's always the risk of glossing over the rare but expensive medical cases
599206;1396440201;bounce;s/lt/&h/
599207;1396440221;wywialm;at least partially, and as far as i managed to research it, i believe it's a non-issue, perhaps you could point to something convincing me to believe otherwise?
599208;1396440267;mircea_popescu;wywialm let me formalise it for the sake of public discussion.
599209;1396440300;mircea_popescu;admitting for the sake of argument that competition happens on measurable parameters of defined products, all businesses will normally compete on operational efficiency
599210;1396440314;mircea_popescu;whoever manages to produce x as defined cheapest wins most of the market.
599211;1396440349;mircea_popescu;however, if dumping is allowed, then company Y could sell product X for 0. inasmuch as none of its competitors have more money in the bank, they would necessarily go out of business.
599212;1396440357;mircea_popescu;as a de facto monopoly, Y can now charge infinity for X.
599213;1396440369;mircea_popescu;this will drive new competitors in the market, of crouse, but the system has two major problems :
599214;1396440387;mircea_popescu;one is that a competition on operational efficiency has been transformed in a simple financial competition of "who can support dumping longer"
599215;1396440399;mircea_popescu;and moreover, the entire point of the economy is to close the zero-infinity price window as soon as possible.
599216;1396440401;wywialm;well, it's very conditional of market organisation - barriers to entry for example
599217;1396440402;mircea_popescu;this goes against that.
599218;1396440420;mircea_popescu;yes, but as a model, this is the economical reason you were asking for earlier.
599219;1396440432;mircea_popescu;there does in fact exist *an* economical reason for things to play out that way.
599220;1396440448;mircea_popescu;not necessarily strong enough for it to happen too often, or even at all. but factually, it does exist.
599221;1396440453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94778 @ 0.00094343 = 89.4164 BTC [-] {2} 
599222;1396440511;wywialm;as a theoretical possiblity - i agree. but empirically, i have never seen it done
599223;1396440516;mircea_popescu;i have.
599224;1396440545;mircea_popescu;it's how supermarkets work, fundamentally, all across the world. they drive out small shops in phase 1, with low prices
599225;1396440557;mircea_popescu;they take advantage of the captive market they created, afterwards.
599226;1396440572;bounce;and regularly attack each other with the same trick afterward
599227;1396440574;mircea_popescu;phase 1 lasts 3-5 years, and is actually evaluated as part of the financing of a new development.
599228;1396440592;bounce;it's not quite 0..inf but it does happen all the time
599229;1396440597;wywialm;have a look at education, for example - govt is permanently dumping the sector, there are no expectations to the reversal of the course and yet it doesn't manage to win the whole market
599230;1396440614;mircea_popescu;this is why the us sucks, basically. it, not having ancient microstructure in place, turned into a sprawl hellhole
599231;1396440627;mircea_popescu;european style towns where commercial and residential zones are not separated are rare in the us
599232;1396440662;mircea_popescu;wywialm it is not dumping the whole sector. even if mcdonald sold for free i wouldn't patronise them. i stll eat at good restaurants.
599233;1396440684;mircea_popescu;in fact, mcdonalss DOES sell for free in most of the us, it does more business as a proxy for usg welfare than anything else.
599234;1396440689;mircea_popescu;same for all the ff chains.
599235;1396440806;wywialm;but the product differentiation is a good defense against dumping, as it can work only in very simple markets, food and education is not one of them
599236;1396440869;mircea_popescu;depends.
599237;1396440879;mircea_popescu;we're dumping the shit out of high-end btc education in this chan, for instance.
599238;1396440883;wywialm;and i believe the 0..inf is never an option, the dumping winners can charge only a monopoly rent afterwards, having erected (rather weak) barriers to entry
599239;1396440889;mircea_popescu;it's part of my evil strategy of preventing the usg from ever mattering in this space.
599240;1396440945;wywialm;in a well-developed economy capital requrements are much less significant barrier, for example
599241;1396440951;mircea_popescu;maybe.
599242;1396440964;bounce;you're saying the us gov't *cannot possibly* learn?
599243;1396440968;mircea_popescu;it does get complicated real quick just as soon as one tries to take the theoretical model to the actual market
599244;1396440973;mircea_popescu;which is why economy is such metaphysics.
599245;1396440993;mircea_popescu;bounce it can not possibly afford to pay people that can outcompete us in teaching.
599246;1396441017;bounce;economists do tend to get a bit hung up on solutions without really getting down to the structure of the underlying drivers
599247;1396441021;mircea_popescu;which brings in an interesting side point : recently the us propaganda press ran a story comparing military spending, showing the us as the sum of europe and other states.
599248;1396441036;mircea_popescu;the quietly glossed over point being, of course, that a dollar of usg spending does not buy it a dollar of rl value.
599249;1396441048;mircea_popescu;i buy at a discount, often significant. they buy at a premium, always significant.
599250;1396441071;mircea_popescu;this and other imbalances make it so that the usg can not actually afford to compete in this particular market.
599251;1396441087;bounce;governments tend to do that. but how does the premium between us and eu gov'ts compare?
599252;1396441125;wywialm;thats funny that govt always points to costs and expenditures as something inherently positive
599253;1396441141;bounce;(at least what little I've seen of economists... let's see if I still have that impression in a year or so, say)
599254;1396441173;bounce;well, aren't they the drivers of the economy? so money raked in and tossed out is driving the economy, surely?
599255;1396441224;wywialm;hope we'll continue this fascinating discussion sometime later, i'll be going now
599256;1396441227;mircea_popescu;wywialm indeed. very funny.
599257;1396441256;mircea_popescu;bounce so they propose. like you know, the plowing fly proposes its exertions drive the ox.
599258;1396441258;wywialm;bye
599259;1396441281;mircea_popescu;later.
599260;1396441370;bounce;it's a bit dishonest, really. like the nth level manager proclaiming he did all the work. much rather he'd just admit others did the work, he just make the work effective. which is nothing to sneeze at if done well.
599261;1396441389;bounce;s/make/helped &/
599262;1396442344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 18 @ 0.01400945 = 0.2522 BTC [-] {5} 
599263;1396442771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00094386 = 15.1018 BTC [+]
599264;1396442832;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 118 @ 0.00088447 = 0.1044 BTC [+] {3} 
599265;1396444052;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00094958 = 20.321 BTC [+]
599266;1396444540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.57975513 = 3.4785 BTC [-] {5} 
599267;1396444601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.57228777 = 14.8795 BTC [-] {7} 
599268;1396444784;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00571686 = 1.1434 BTC [-] {5} 
599269;1396445039;Guest17831;http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2014-04-02/
599270;1396445040;ozbot;Dilbert comic strip for 04/02/2014 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive.
599271;1396445101;Guest17831;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553818.0
599272;1396445103;ozbot;My new TREZOR
599273;1396445211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 340 @ 0.00088646 = 0.3014 BTC [+] {5} 
599274;1396445309;Namworld;That comic looks spot on.
599275;1396445530;MisterE;MS is still dumping Xbox afaik
599276;1396445539;MisterE;sold at a loss for years
599277;1396445631;chetty;mircea_popescu, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.20// when are getting a medal from the foundation for taking the heat?
599278;1396445669;mircea_popescu;i think they only have medals perpared for the surprisingly-arrested
599279;1396445683;mircea_popescu;nothing designed for the surprisingly-not-arrested
599280;1396445685;Guest17831;Danny speaks https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg6030319#msg6030319
599281;1396445733;Guest17831;one thing i dont get, is why he'd be stepping down for death threats, before anyone was worried about the rumors
599282;1396445736;Guest17831;doesnt quite add up
599283;1396445756;mircea_popescu;o look at that, scott adams trying to kaching on things that are happening but he can't be bothered to understand
599284;1396445759;mircea_popescu;how very hot topic of him.
599285;1396445766;chetty;sure it does, 2+2=5, no?
599286;1396445786;mircea_popescu;Guest15829 classical scammer talk. "the scam would have been fine if it weren't for the evil interlopers fud"
599287;1396445854;Guest17831;also, he says he covered for the locked coins in BF/Gox
599288;1396445865;Guest17831;but then says if he had them there would be enough money
599289;1396445870;Guest17831;:?
599290;1396445906;Guest17831;and wraps up it up in a neat little bow by saying he wants to sell his stake
599291;1396445908;mircea_popescu;it's very simple : "if you people were nice i'd have paid for this out of pocket but because you were mean i am not so neeneer"
599292;1396445919;mircea_popescu;just about at the conceptual level of the average bitcointard.
599293;1396445955;Guest17831;he should just pass his stake to Neo, it has no value with all that debt anyway
599294;1396445970;mircea_popescu;obviously "what's best for his fambly" is trying to make a split anyway.
599295;1396445994;mircea_popescu;hardly teh point. i dunno why all these scammor dudes imagine that's an argument. yes dude, if we wanted to feed your fambly we'd have just donated you the btc.
599296;1396446012;mircea_popescu;next time when you're out to do "what's best for your fambly" go ask for donations. ceos do what's best for their shareholders.
599297;1396446074;Guest17831;i didnt verify my nick now that i set enforce on :(
599298;1396446078;Guest17831;how long must i wait!
599299;1396446091;Namworld;April 1, nice date for such a topic, chetty.
599300;1396446149;mircea_popescu;just say release
599301;1396446165;mircea_popescu;/msg NickServ release nick
599302;1396446226;Namworld;Herp has a rating agency? He forgot derp in the title for Herp Derp Rating Agency
599303;1396446227;ThickAsThieves;thx!
599304;1396446255;mircea_popescu;wb
599305;1396446309;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5710002 = 2.284 BTC [-]
599306;1396446358;mircea_popescu;wait. hadn't danny claimed that they had lost nothing on mtgox
599307;1396446362;mircea_popescu;"because the signs were there" ?
599308;1396446370;mircea_popescu;way to prove oneself a liar jeez.
599309;1396446398;mircea_popescu;i mean stupid is one thing. hard to hide, already well known, no big deal. but a liar is a different story.
599310;1396446461;ThickAsThieves;well he manages to say it both ways in this post
599311;1396446469;ThickAsThieves;that any losses were personal
599312;1396446471;VanCleef;lol
599313;1396446476;VanCleef;another bitcoin classic diaster
599314;1396446483;ThickAsThieves;but if he had the coins lost everything wouold be ok
599315;1396446496;ThickAsThieves;did he cover the losses but not cover them?
599316;1396446498;mircea_popescu;that's besides the point.
599317;1396446503;VanCleef;i trust banks and wallstreet more and more everyday
599318;1396446508;mircea_popescu;two weeks ago he claimed no funds were lost in gox. today he claims funds were lost in gox.
599319;1396446512;mircea_popescu;that's pretty much the end of hte line.
599320;1396446543;ThickAsThieves;sigh
599321;1396446605;VanCleef;i heard he doesn't even have a daughter
599322;1396446609;Mats_cd03;so much for limited liability
599323;1396446631;ThickAsThieves;he has a daughter
599324;1396446668;chetty;VanCleef, i trust banks and wallstreet more and more everyday // at least you know you will be cheated, in btc space its still an open question
599325;1396446675;mircea_popescu;lol
599326;1396446739;ThickAsThieves;if it werent for the handful of people not cheating, btc would be much easier to read
599327;1396446752;ThickAsThieves;i blame mp!
599328;1396446767;ThickAsThieves;youre what makes scamming possibru
599329;1396446836;VanCleef;at least wallstreet and banks take off your pants first before fucking you in the ass, bitcoiners make you wear a pair of jeans first
599330;1396446883;VanCleef;just a bunch of cowards hiding behind their computers
599331;1396447013;ThickAsThieves;wow even TradeFortress posted in a Neo thread
599332;1396447026;ThickAsThieves;odd
599333;1396447133;mircea_popescu;i should intradite myself.
599334;1396447181;VanCleef;i hope tf got fucked over
599335;1396447197;ThickAsThieves;well he aint in jail, soooo
599336;1396447206;VanCleef;like the jizz sock that he is
599337;1396447217;Mats_cd03;;;tell artifexd irccloud
599338;1396447338;Mats_cd03;;;later tell artifexd irccloud
599339;1396447339;gribble;The operation succeeded.
599340;1396447346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00094652 = 12.0681 BTC [-]
599341;1396447466;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/7f9ed98dbff9c7ccce7056a9b53dad68/tumblr_mj8r2tO4ZR1s7eb1eo1_500.jpg
599342;1396447471;mircea_popescu;brunettes make the best blondes.
599343;1396447635;Mats_cd03;i dont discriminate based on hair color
599344;1396447657;Mats_cd03;all boobies are legal in my jurisdiction
599345;1396447716;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-march-2014-statement/
599346;1396447717;ozbot;BitBet, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
599347;1396447726;mircea_popescu;the hopefully final-final restatement of that thing jesus.
599348;1396447956;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3555 @ 0.00012411 = 0.4412 BTC [-] {11} 
599349;1396447957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17248 @ 0.00094719 = 16.3371 BTC [+] {2} 
599350;1396448149;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529946.msg6033647#msg6033647
599351;1396448151;ozbot;Neo & Bee talk (spam free thread)
599352;1396448319;chetty;"but if it weren't for the trolls it appears that it could have still managed."
599353;1396448432;mircea_popescu;well at least sa is having fun.
599354;1396448435;ThickAsThieves;"MP should buy Neo and Bee and be the next CEO."
599355;1396448474;ThickAsThieves;so backwards, this buying of the company concept
599356;1396448490;pankkake;kakobrekla was also nominated as Cognitive new CEO
599357;1396448511;mircea_popescu;so basically "mp is the only solvent entity in bitcoin finance we would like us to spend his money just as we whine about how mean and evil he is" ?
599358;1396448518;mircea_popescu;sounds a whole fucking lot like socialism to me.
599359;1396448539;mircea_popescu;congrats, western world, this is what you've built.
599360;1396448549;mircea_popescu;now go beat up your children and send them naked i nthe street to earn a living
599361;1396448552;mircea_popescu;it'll be for their own good.
599362;1396448568;ThickAsThieves;it's like multi-layered thought is no longer possible
599363;1396448574;ThickAsThieves;just one level
599364;1396448592;ThickAsThieves;the lizards are taking over!
599365;1396448627;chetty;ThickAsThieves, nah that happened a long time ago
599366;1396448634;mircea_popescu;isn't bitcoin great tho ? it empowers me to literaly urinate all over their faces.
599367;1396448651;mircea_popescu;were it not for bitcoin, i'm sure some elected official or other would have thought this is "prudent".
599368;1396448685;ThickAsThieves;to be honest i still get shaken that bitcoin just wont work because humans
599369;1396448707;mircea_popescu;it'll work just fine.
599370;1396448719;mircea_popescu;those humans will just make very fine human skin lampshades is all.
599371;1396448745;mircea_popescu;it was always about the salvation of the worthy, never about the salvation of the flock as a whole.
599372;1396448764;ThickAsThieves;so many of them, so few of us
599373;1396448772;ThickAsThieves;i hope yer right though
599374;1396448784;ThickAsThieves;odds are in your favor
599375;1396448786;ThickAsThieves;that's for sure
599376;1396448792;mircea_popescu;well technically there are more chickens too.
599377;1396448807;ThickAsThieves;indeed indeed
599378;1396448815;ThickAsThieves;one more thing to worry about, thanks!
599379;1396448817;mircea_popescu;The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations estimated that in 2002 there were nearly sixteen billion chickens in the world, counting a total population of 15,853,900,000
599380;1396448852;mircea_popescu;(amusingly, bangladesh and nigeria are in the top 15)
599381;1396448897;VanCleef;fuck sake securities thread is mostly made up of neobee and activemining threads
599382;1396448934;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if this forum investor IPO thing is over now
599383;1396448940;ThickAsThieves;to be clear,
599384;1396448941;mircea_popescu;just like in the old glbse blowup days lol
599385;1396448948;ThickAsThieves;i do think scams will still come around
599386;1396448954;ThickAsThieves;but the audience is gone
599387;1396448970;ThickAsThieves;no room for notable ones
599388;1396448985;ThickAsThieves;the forum is like 5 guys with 500 accounts
599389;1396448989;ThickAsThieves;and .5 bitcoin
599390;1396448991;VanCleef;lol
599391;1396448994;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.067 = 0.201 BTC [+]
599392;1396448997;VanCleef;probably hey
599393;1396449036;jborkl;mircea_popescu> The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations estimated that in 2002 there were nearly sixteen billion chickens in the world, counting a total population of 15,853,900,000 < I wonder how many people taxpayers employed to count all the chickens?
599394;1396449045;jborkl;:)
599395;1396449057;VanCleef;lets face it bitcoin is only good for scamming
599396;1396449066;VanCleef;hope the price goes to 0
599397;1396449081;ThickAsThieves;vancleef what i'm saying is, how much more scamming can there really be
599398;1396449089;ThickAsThieves;Wall Streets turn i guess
599399;1396449093;mircea_popescu;jborkl well most of this is farmed, you know ? they're reported anyway, for various regulatory purposes
599400;1396449102;VanCleef;wallstreet is much safe than bitcoiners
599401;1396449110;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves we said (or moreover, hoped) exactly the same 3-4 times already.
599402;1396449113;jborkl;yeah I know
599403;1396449121;VanCleef;they'll always be scams and suckers
599404;1396449121;mircea_popescu;the collection of dr foreskins, ie, pompous if clueless nobodies, is endless.
599405;1396449129;mircea_popescu;hence the story of pointless and witless.
599406;1396449131;CheckDavid;Why is gold more popular than  platinum in finance?
599407;1396449133;VanCleef;thanks to this bitcoin shit, scamming has become alot easier
599408;1396449135;ThickAsThieves;i guess the next rallies will bring the new blood
599409;1396449146;ThickAsThieves;the menstrual cycle of money
599410;1396449154;mircea_popescu;exactly. the forum had been negligible btc anyway, for a long time now.
599411;1396449159;VanCleef;yeh the rally scam
599412;1396449170;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid "more popular" ?
599413;1396449176;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1477 @ 0.00012185 = 0.18 BTC [-] {6} 
599414;1396449177;jborkl;but that means somedud is out there chocking his chicken 16 billion times to make nuggets
599415;1396449206;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: lack of a better term :(
599416;1396449219;mircea_popescu;jborkl actually it's mostly automatred now. most chickens in the world touch a human inside the mouth for the first time in their... existence.
599417;1396449228;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid but what were you trying to say
599418;1396449237;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5831 @ 0.00011783 = 0.6871 BTC [-] {11} 
599419;1396449270;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: for example. I rarely see platinum as an instrument on brokers. But gold is very common
599420;1396449292;CheckDavid;Gold is always mentioned historically as a store of value and currency
599421;1396449298;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 957 @ 0.00011196 = 0.1071 BTC [-] {5} 
599422;1396449300;chetty;I dont think bitcoin has more scams that other things, its just more visible, to us
599423;1396449305;VanCleef;man i'm so sick of scams, i try and do the right thing and not be scammy and support this bitcoin shit but its just full of fucking animals
599424;1396449329;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid are you trying to ask why isn't platinum a monetary metal ?
599425;1396449354;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: maybe. Let's put it that way. I m just looking for some perspective
599426;1396449378;VanCleef;from now on whenver a mainstrea person asks me about bitcoin i'm just going to tell them to stay away from it because its all just bullshit and lies and a pyramid scheme and full of pos scammers
599427;1396449385;VanCleef;fuck you satoshi
599428;1396449390;mircea_popescu;because gold is, and there can only be one.
599429;1396449411;mircea_popescu;VanCleef who was going to ask you ?
599430;1396449439;VanCleef;i get asked about it from mom and pop  investors
599431;1396449491;VanCleef;i didn't even invest in neobee but just so sick and tired of all the scams all the time
599432;1396449495;VanCleef;fucking animals
599433;1396449506;mircea_popescu;so you didn't invest,w hat do you care.
599434;1396449518;mircea_popescu;and what's some random dork, long exposed anyway, have to do with bitcoin
599435;1396449520;VanCleef;the whole bitcoin industry
599436;1396449528;mike_c;just tell them to stay away from havelock, it's not hard.
599437;1396449533;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: what about platinum vs silver?
599438;1396449539;VanCleef;havelock will shut down this year
599439;1396449568;VanCleef;i want to work at a government agency and bring bitcoin down
599440;1396449572;VanCleef;sick of it
599441;1396449573;mike_c;insert money into mouth :)  http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/
599442;1396449578;mircea_popescu;probably too expensive per ounce
599443;1396449604;CheckDavid;So it's a matter of volume mircea_popescu ?
599444;1396449632;mircea_popescu;silver is appealing to poor people in the manner ltc is appealing to kids with gpus
599445;1396449642;CheckDavid;I see
599446;1396449643;mircea_popescu;platinum does not share that trait.
599447;1396449643;mike_c;while i'm shilling bitbet, these are outrageously good odds on 'yes'.  http://bitbet.us/bet/796/an-eastern-conference-team-will-win-the-nba/
599448;1396449680;CheckDavid;And maybe it's not '  beautiful' as good
599449;1396449682;pankkake;so, when will there be a gold future on mpex? will it be called pmex? :)
599450;1396449683;CheckDavid;*gold
599451;1396449684;mircea_popescu;weren't all the good teams in the west ?
599452;1396449699;mike_c;except miami heat and indiana pacers
599453;1396449700;mircea_popescu;pankkake just as soon as someone with an actual gold business grows some balls.
599454;1396449713;mircea_popescu;indiana pacers is now a good team !?
599455;1396449714;mircea_popescu;wow.
599456;1396449727;mircea_popescu;(i last followed nba cca 1993, cause i was playing some pretty cool simulator for the pc.
599457;1396449733;mircea_popescu;it had byrd and johnson etc)
599458;1396449864;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/37378da0d39c775f54ab0d2276aade5e/tumblr_mkz6zdxz6W1reurnmo1_1280.jpg
599459;1396450069;ThickAsThieves;http://www.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/t1.jpg
599460;1396450078;pankkake;http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Crocker%27s_rules
599461;1396450078;ozbot;Crocker's rules - Lesswrongwiki
599462;1396450080;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i can ask him if he'd accept ATC... what's 6BTC worth of ATC these days, anyway?
599463;1396450091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00094554 = 16.1687 BTC [-]
599464;1396450099;mircea_popescu;like 100 satoshi per atc afaik ?
599465;1396450107;mircea_popescu;but i dun recall wha we're discussing here
599466;1396450113;nubbins`;also, i got this weird twinge in my sides at 11:54, strange
599467;1396450128;nubbins`;me rebuying a casascius coin
599468;1396450128;mircea_popescu;lol
599469;1396450132;mircea_popescu;o o hehe
599470;1396450140;nubbins`;"hello sir plz to rebuy"
599471;1396450154;pankkake;6BTC is probably the whole ATC market cap!
599472;1396450167;mircea_popescu;just a bout.
599473;1396450192;ThickAsThieves;nonsense, i'll sell 10% of my ATC for 6btc
599474;1396450327;nubbins`;well, i tell ya what. there's this guy, see, and he wants to sell a coin
599475;1396450352;nubbins`;altho TBF if he's realized he just blew too big of a wad and wants $$ back, i think ATC will be a bit of a hard sell
599476;1396450383;nubbins`;http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/50-for-50-fine-silver-coin-polar-bear-2014-prod1930018#.Uzwjg61dVro
599477;1396450384;ozbot;$50 for $50 Fine Silver Coin - Polar Bear (2014)
599478;1396450405;nubbins`;i really like these "face for face" silver coins
599479;1396450463;chetty;http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/04/01/study-vegetarians-less-healthy-lower-quality-of-life-than-meat-eaters/
599480;1396450464;ozbot;Study: Vegetarians Less Healthy, Lower Quality Of Life Than Meat-Eaters « CBS Atlanta
599481;1396450534;nubbins`;ahahah lel @ portrait mp
599482;1396450644;nubbins`;http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/200000/10000/7000/100/217164/217164.strip.gif
599483;1396450672;Namworld;I'm not sure why you're so pissed VanCleef... Bitcoin acts like cash but digital. hard to get back, no reversal mechanism.
599484;1396450708;ThickAsThieves;chetty read the paper
599485;1396450720;Namworld;People borrowing/wanting cash for their business/family/whatever. Even friends/family often. You then have to run after the money/never see it again.
599486;1396450722;ThickAsThieves;the study represents about 31 vegetarians
599487;1396450749;pankkake;so the study doesn't even even try to separate other factors (i.e. vegetarians being more physically active and health conscious, while non vegetarians includes mcdonalds eating couch potatoes)
599488;1396450762;Namworld;The issue is people fail to realize Bitcoin isn't like banks, it's like cash for the digital space.
599489;1396450774;ThickAsThieves;it also doesnt separate whether those vegetarians became such to help with said health problems
599490;1396450807;mike_c;;;create bitbet "The dilbert comic from April 2nd will be posted in b-a more than 10 times"
599491;1396450809;ThickAsThieves;for example i'm pretty sure going whole food vegan reduces allergies
599492;1396450812;ThickAsThieves;not adds them
599493;1396450834;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg6030319#msg6030319
599494;1396450836;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
599495;1396450854;Namworld;Sending Bitcoins to Neobee is like investing cash in the guy screaming on the street corner he's starting a bank. He start by buying pamphlets and distributing them for advertising the business, hyping and taking further cash in.
599496;1396450906;Namworld;Most of the time, the appearance of being professional, having offices and all is pure artifice and money wasting.
599497;1396450991;Namworld;The forum is like the street, don't invest lots of cash with anyone you meet with good sounding claims.
599498;1396451023;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i thought it wasn't that bad rly.
599499;1396451037;Namworld;Scams aside, if you're not doing any kind of lending/investing, BTC can be very secure and works very well in the digital space for wealth transfer.
599500;1396451063;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves dun hate jus' because your life quality is lower :D
599501;1396451085;ThickAsThieves;well how would i know anyway
599502;1396451087;ThickAsThieves;hehe
599503;1396451091;ThickAsThieves;my life is my life
599504;1396451101;mircea_popescu;damaged lifegoods
599505;1396451118;chetty;typical of whats being put out as 'science' these days actually
599506;1396451184;pankkake;Namworld: reminds me of Shooting Fish
599507;1396451195;Namworld;?
599508;1396451205;mircea_popescu;on the let's lulz @wikipedia angle : article about mp http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mircea_Popescu&action=history 12kb, untouched since last month.
599509;1396451215;pankkake;a movie about scammers; they get investors but everything is faked
599510;1396451225;mircea_popescu;article about how there shouldn't be an article about mp http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mircea_Popescu&action=history 19kb, updated daily.
599511;1396451238;chetty;ThickAsThieves, I actually did 5ish years as vegetarian, it was fine health wise
599512;1396451239;mircea_popescu;almsot as good trollage as the forum on display.
599513;1396451266;mircea_popescu;pankkake wasn't that wall street ?
599514;1396451268;mircea_popescu;(1980s film)
599515;1396451276;VanCleef;sorry namworld bit emotional
599516;1396451282;pankkake;it's a british movie
599517;1396451286;pankkake;haven't seen wall street
599518;1396451296;mircea_popescu;no wait not the 80s one
599519;1396451311;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.5715001 = 4.572 BTC [+] {2} 
599520;1396451312;VanCleef;boiler room is a good movie
599521;1396451360;mircea_popescu;yeah that one!
599522;1396451363;mircea_popescu;wd cleefsy.
599523;1396451458;nubbins`;hmm i think my homo zebra needs a cigarette
599524;1396451470;mircea_popescu;pipe ?
599525;1396451476;mircea_popescu;long cigholder ?
599526;1396451478;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/kKgYXoH
599527;1396451479;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
599528;1396451491;nubbins`;just a plain ol' cig
599529;1396451494;nubbins`;a dart, if you will
599530;1396451512;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Cigarette_holder.png
599531;1396451514;mircea_popescu;that. srsly.
599532;1396451519;mircea_popescu;he's so working class it bleeds.
599533;1396451531;nubbins`;ah, a hepburn/thompson
599534;1396451681;nubbins`;so the power button on my cellular telephone has been working only intermittently these past weeks
599535;1396451687;Namworld;I got hit hard when I joined the forum. Didn't expect what I stumbled upon. It seems everyone are connected with sock puppets. Mostly artifices.
599536;1396451688;nubbins`;on the bright side, a replacement part is only $25
599537;1396451699;nubbins`;on the dim side, it requires a complete dismantling of the phone
599538;1396451727;Mats_cd03;reminds me of an opium pipe
599539;1396451739;Mats_cd03;but, you know, small.
599540;1396451745;Namworld;Should have been more careful. Kind of expected "high risk", should have expected "ludicrous risk".
599541;1396451980;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canadian-brad-katsuyama-in-spotlight-over-rigged-markets-allegation-1.2594639
599542;1396451982;ozbot;Canadian Brad Katsuyama in spotlight over 'rigged' markets allegation - Business - CBC News
599543;1396452014;Namworld;Speaking of life quality, by all estimates, I won't be lacking funds in the future. But as long as that's not a reality and is just on paper, my living standards are pretty low. Well according to local standards anyway.
599544;1396452032;Namworld;I could probably live better on much less if I moved to another country.
599545;1396452091;nubbins`;Namworld this is generally true of anyone living in a "first world" country
599546;1396452112;nubbins`;doubly so if you're in a "first world neighbourhood" of said country
599547;1396452152;Namworld;I'm in a poorer area of the city, but far from the poorest.
599548;1396452199;nubbins`;due to the wonders of gradual gentrification, there are very few "poor areas" in my city larger than a block or so
599549;1396452219;nubbins`;generally it's a mix of poor drug addicts and professionals
599550;1396452266;thestringpuller;lol "gentrification"
599551;1396452275;nubbins`;nice word hey?
599552;1396452288;nubbins`;"making it fit for the gentry"
599553;1396452307;nubbins`;same root as "gentleman"
599554;1396452368;nubbins`;but srsly. there's maybe 40 houses on my dead-end street, property values ranging from $80k to $250k
599555;1396452376;Namworld;Going to stay like that until I at least repay all my debts. Probably going to stay like that for a while after I repay my debts. You make sure you have no debts and the business is well and you have a nice cushion.
599556;1396452395;diametric;nubbins`: sounds like you're talking about Baltimore.
599557;1396452405;nubbins`;diametric: sure, except we don't really have black people here
599558;1396452407;Namworld;Then you can live well, not the other way around.
599559;1396452431;Namworld;Otherwise you jeopardize everything.
599560;1396452464;thestringpuller;Namworld: 0 debt? What if you need credit for a large project.
599561;1396452477;nubbins`;something like 1% of the population of st john's is black
599562;1396452491;thestringpuller;I'd assume as long as you make a profit despite capital expenses, credit/debt can be good sometimes
599563;1396452492;Namworld;Ideally you don't. Although I haven't had problem getting credit.
599564;1396452492;diametric;It's pretty incredible to look at. In on block you'll see very expensive homes, rich white people walking expensive toy dogs. Go one block down, and you have thugs peddling herion on the corner and prostitutes blowing dudes in the alley.
599565;1396452503;Namworld;But yes, I agree.
599566;1396452530;thestringpuller;I guess "short-term" credit is much better than "long term"
599567;1396452538;nubbins`;diametric: that sounds nice
599568;1396452556;thestringpuller;given taking short term credit is for expenses leading to a profit and not just buying Ferrari
599569;1396452586;diametric;nubbins`: Its even better because the crime rarely crosses the boundary of the block because the police and criminals have an informal pact. They don't mess with the gentrified areas, the police don't mess with their shitholes.
599570;1396452618;nubbins`;everybody's happy except the poor people who aren't criminals!
599571;1396452622;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
599572;1396452622;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00093355 / 0.00094107 / 0.00094958 (958718 shares, 902.23 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094289 / 0.00095866 (7302745 shares, 6,885.75 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087815 / 0.00096 (30017455 shares, 26,360.00 BTC)
599573;1396452631;thestringpuller;!last m s.mpoe
599574;1396452631;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00094554 BTC [-]
599575;1396452663;diametric;nubbins`: exactly
599576;1396452665;VanCleef;neobee was a pretty shitty name anyway
599577;1396452674;Namworld;If you make largesses to yourself, you go "Boohoo, I've run out of funds, spending everything on advertising and a big salary to myself, now there's nothing left. I'm sorry. So sad." Like neobee and the like.
599578;1396452712;ThickAsThieves;the name was actually just Neo
599579;1396452729;Mats_cd03;what, you don't think hamsterdam (a la The Wired) would work?
599580;1396452750;nubbins`;Mats_cd03 not without an omar ;(
599581;1396452765;Mats_cd03;(i personally do -- that reality has played out thousands of times in thousands of jurisdictions)
599582;1396452773;VanCleef;Neo & Morpheus
599583;1396452776;nubbins`;^
599584;1396452782;Namworld;I'll still call it Neobee. Neo never existed anyway, or came close to fruition.
599585;1396452797;nubbins`;what if i told you... that your investment went straight into the pockets of cypriot marketing firms?
599586;1396452807;VanCleef;lol nubbins
599587;1396452850;pankkake;first time I loled to a morpheus meme!
599588;1396452858;Namworld;and in Danny's fat salary?
599589;1396452870;Namworld;How much was he paying himself anyway?
599590;1396452922;nubbins`;you'll never find out
599591;1396452977;mike_c;unless tat tells us
599592;1396453004;VanCleef;nubbins
599593;1396453007;VanCleef;http://imgur.com/AqkNYGG
599594;1396453007;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
599595;1396453036;pankkake;VanCleef: too simple to be funny
599596;1396453248;Apocalyptic;anyone knows if the blockr.io guys hang out on IRC ?
599597;1396453257;Namworld;I still owe so much BTC. Not happy about it.
599598;1396453260;mike_c;kakobrekla is somehow related
599599;1396453269;jurov;pankkake no these are supposed to be deep wisdoms
599600;1396453278;ThickAsThieves;<mike_c> unless tat tells us  /// that kinda info resided with Neo, I assume
599601;1396453286;*;Namworld looks at Ukyo
599602;1396453315;jurov;everyone says to swim against the stream. no one says, make sure you know the direction first
599603;1396453366;mike_c;ThickAsThieves: you didn't know anything non-public about their financials?
599604;1396453411;Apocalyptic;doubtful
599605;1396453419;jurov;mike_c TAT got away to avoid investigation. you expect him to say he knows internal info?
599606;1396453429;mike_c;no. silly question.
599607;1396453485;VanCleef;i remember on the second day of neobee ipo i called it a scamm and tat put me on ignore for trolling
599608;1396453497;VanCleef;apology accepted
599609;1396453525;pankkake;lol
599610;1396453543;pankkake;what made you think it was a scam then?
599611;1396453566;VanCleef;i cant remmeber was a while ago
599612;1396453581;ThickAsThieves;i'm not sure scam is an appropriate term, however liberally some would like to use it
599613;1396453595;ThickAsThieves;but the story isnt over yet it seems
599614;1396453599;Namworld;I'm down a lot of my debt. I have last requests to fulfill. And a lot of people who never replied to me about it.
599615;1396453637;VanCleef;alot of neobee problems seems to be related to bitfunder and ukyo as well
599616;1396453663;Namworld;TAT must be satisfied. But a few of my larger lenders are going to get pissed. At least I think so? They don't seem to ask/be in a hurry about it a lot.
599617;1396453691;nubbins`;busy filing paperwork
599618;1396453695;jurov;not to mention passthrough shareholders
599619;1396453718;Namworld;As for most others who lent me smaller amounts... I typically have to run after them for repaying them?
599620;1396453724;Namworld;Yes, passthrough holders too.
599621;1396453757;jurov;everyone is so accustomed to scam that they don't even think of researching if we don't offer repayment
599622;1396453787;Namworld;I send them messages asking about claiming/repaying them and never receive replies...
599623;1396453801;Namworld;Sometimes for hundreds/thousands of dollars worth of BTC.
599624;1396453812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.067 = 0.603 BTC [-]
599625;1396453831;nubbins`;so put a time limit on your next message and wash your hands if they don't reply
599626;1396453872;Namworld;If I harass them for a few months, they eventually reply, "oh yeah, right, why not? I'll take it."
599627;1396453873;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6554 @ 0.00010534 = 0.6904 BTC [-] {17} 
599628;1396453923;Namworld;I'd probably go with Canadian laws about unclaimed debt. Not sure how long it is, but probably a few years.
599629;1396453950;ThickAsThieves;i had someone redeem 1 BF TAT.ASICMINER share today
599630;1396453959;Namworld;Keep the list a few years. It's just a file. Not a problem keeping it.
599631;1396453963;ThickAsThieves;a rare occurence now
599632;1396453969;Namworld;eh
599633;1396453970;ThickAsThieves;but some people eventually claim their shit
599634;1396454097;Namworld;Like, what are people doing? Giving money around to whine against scammers, and when it's not a scam, go "That one is nice. Will leave them my money."
599635;1396454267;VanCleef;someone give us something good to invest in
599636;1396454283;thestringpuller;why don't you make your own shit to invest in
599637;1396454301;Namworld;If I had something good to invest in, I'd probably take it all to myself...
599638;1396454310;thestringpuller;^- that
599639;1396454317;VanCleef;thestringpuller cause i dont want to scam people
599640;1396454333;Namworld;not share it around. Not before having invested as much as I could reasonably do first.
599641;1396454351;thestringpuller;VanCleef: how would you scam niggas if you are only investing in your own product?
599642;1396454356;nubbins`;VanCleef: invest in your future, don't wait for someone else to do it :D
599643;1396454366;VanCleef;well i'm not a technical person
599644;1396454371;nubbins`;doesn't matter
599645;1396454373;nubbins`;learn a trade
599646;1396454374;VanCleef;so i cant make anything
599647;1396454380;thestringpuller;nubbins` isn't technical
599648;1396454385;thestringpuller;but he's good at making art
599649;1396454390;thestringpuller;as he just said learn a trade
599650;1396454390;thestringpuller;lol
599651;1396454396;VanCleef;like what?
599652;1396454401;thestringpuller;what do you like to do?
599653;1396454402;nubbins`;TBF i worked as a programmer for 5 years
599654;1396454411;VanCleef;i just like jizzing
599655;1396454414;Namworld;Fuck, I'm even wearing rags, come to think of it.
599656;1396454418;thestringpuller;make porn then
599657;1396454425;nubbins`;but i dislike corporate like
599658;1396454426;nubbins`;*life
599659;1396454427;ThickAsThieves;go work at a zoo
599660;1396454428;thestringpuller;i'm sure mp would invest in it
599661;1396454429;ThickAsThieves;as a amonkey
599662;1396454436;VanCleef;no money in porn when its free on the internet
599663;1396454450;Namworld;My clothes are full of holes.
599664;1396454450;nubbins`;VanCleef: well, y'know, get a list of trades that are in demand and pick one
599665;1396454459;mike_c;throw a dart at the mpex security list and invest.
599666;1396454466;nubbins`;you know all those idiots driving around in F350 pickups? they did it
599667;1396454493;VanCleef;hmmm
599668;1396454519;Namworld;Bail out my lenders, take over my debt.
599669;1396454520;nubbins`;not sure about where you live, but there's a nation-wide shortage of skilled tradespeople in canada
599670;1396454528;Namworld;Eh
599671;1396454534;nubbins`;you can make $80k a year just doing electrical work on a job site
599672;1396454539;nubbins`;or welding, w/e
599673;1396454547;VanCleef;no thanks nubbins
599674;1396454555;VanCleef;i already have a good job at subway
599675;1396454565;nubbins`;one of those words didn't belong in that sentence
599676;1396454566;Namworld;oh, yes. Electrician/plumber/welders/etc get high pay in Canada.
599677;1396454589;Namworld;Like better than tech sector/accountant/lawyers/doctors often.
599678;1396454595;nubbins`;yup
599679;1396454610;Namworld;welders, not that high, but electrician/plumber for sure.
599680;1396454612;VanCleef;i think sfi will be the next scam to fall
599681;1396454612;nubbins`;shit, substitute teachers make $35-40/hr
599682;1396454626;nubbins`;Namworld: underwater welding is where it's at these days
599683;1396454631;Namworld;But welders still get a good pay.
599684;1396454640;Namworld;oh, underwater. Well yes.
599685;1396454646;VanCleef;i read you can make 100k working in a laundry room on an oil rig
599686;1396454665;VanCleef;but yeh just looking for bitcoin related security to invest in
599687;1396454669;VanCleef;no a job or career
599688;1396454674;nubbins`;VanCleef i have a friend who did a 3-year ROV course at a local college
599689;1396454683;nubbins`;he paid off his student loans in three months WASHING DISHES on a supply boat.
599690;1396454692;Namworld;If you don't mind living on an oil rig, yeah, I suppose.
599691;1396454697;VanCleef;money isn't a problem
599692;1396454706;VanCleef;just asking what to invest in
599693;1396454710;nubbins`;ah
599694;1396454711;nubbins`;well
599695;1396454712;nubbins`;nothing.
599696;1396454716;nubbins`;seriously.
599697;1396454723;VanCleef;mmmk
599698;1396454727;nubbins`;not joking
599699;1396454735;Namworld;Well you could take over my BTC debt. It's BTC denominated.
599700;1396454740;Apocalyptic;VanCleef, gimme money
599701;1396454746;nubbins`;throw some money down on some bitbets
599702;1396454785;nubbins`;there's 5.5btc up for grabs on the s.mg VWAP bet, and that's closing around the time chetty said the next release is coming out
599703;1396454807;Apocalyptic;more seriously though, if you have to ask what to invest in, it's probably better not to invest at all
599704;1396454816;VanCleef;yeh true apo
599705;1396454829;VanCleef;maybe i should sponser a hackathon thingy
599706;1396454849;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.47941077 BTC to 4`937 shares, 50221 satoshi per share
599707;1396454853;*;VanCleef shrugs
599708;1396454889;drkow;my girlfriend had 20k burning a hole in her pocket and invested it at some bank last week, I can't wait for her to lose it so I can laugh
599709;1396454917;Namworld;I doubt you can fullfill buying my debt in any meaningful fashion tho.
599710;1396454935;nubbins`;...you can't wait for your girlfriend to lose twenty thousand dollars... so you can laugh at her?
599711;1396454938;ThickAsThieves;thats idiotic to say
599712;1396454941;*;nubbins` raises eyebrow
599713;1396454951;VanCleef;maybe i should start investing in the stock market
599714;1396454974;nubbins`;maybe you should create a diverse portfolio like an adult would
599715;1396454981;thestringpuller;the only thing to invest in is MPOE
599716;1396454990;Apocalyptic;the stock market is so inflated it hurts
599717;1396454991;thestringpuller;and that might bubble if too many people start dumping money in it
599718;1396455009;VanCleef;we're already in a bailout bubble
599719;1396455100;thestringpuller;;;google vim golf
599720;1396455101;gribble;VimGolf - real Vim ninjas count every keystroke!: <http://vimgolf.com/>; Changelog, Rules & FAQ - VimGolf - real Vim ninjas count every ...: <http://vimgolf.com/about>; Leaderboard - VimGolf - real Vim ninjas count every keystroke!: <http://vimgolf.com/top>
599721;1396455164;thestringpuller;nubbins`: what do you charge for screen printing?
599722;1396455179;thestringpuller;like what's the upfront per screen fee, and cost per shirt?
599723;1396455272;nubbins`;varies based on quantity and number of colors. generally there's a flat setup fee of $40, plus $15 for each extra color after the first
599724;1396455288;nubbins`;blank shirts are $5 for regular, $7 for organic, plus printing labor
599725;1396455325;nubbins`;ink costs, etc
599726;1396455334;nubbins`;if you had some numbers in mind, i could give you numbers bac
599727;1396455335;nubbins`;k
599728;1396455361;VanCleef;cool nubbins you make shirts?
599729;1396455374;nubbins`;shirts, posters, download cards, cd/vinyl sleeves, books, w/e
599730;1396455381;VanCleef;i have a friend starting his clothing label looking to me to outsource it for him
599731;1396455423;nubbins`;you'd probably get a better price from a local company, since they wouldn't have to ship the product to you
599732;1396455423;VanCleef;yeh nice
599733;1396455517;benkay;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/02_bitcoin-q1-2014.html
599734;1396455518;ozbot;Bitcoin Q1 2014
599735;1396455520;benkay;;;gpg eauth benkay
599736;1396455521;gribble;Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@216-161-94-151.ptld.qwest.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7
599737;1396455526;benkay;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9b1f48c2d3f7308c2bfc37b583412ab487e081fbf3942171827ad295
599738;1396455527;gribble;Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.
599739;1396455530;benkay;
599740;1396455533;benkay;morning.
599741;1396455539;benkay;wat
599742;1396455555;VanCleef;yeh true nubbins
599743;1396455556;benkay;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:13dc0a8f650d9a3d5bc25aa33a2bb9b6b90e2985d8f072845fe7fad9
599744;1396455556;benkay;
599745;1396455557;gribble;You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
599746;1396455597;nubbins`;"despite it processing buttloads and buttloads of btc-denominated bets"
599747;1396455603;nubbins`;what's the buttload-to-btc rate these days?
599748;1396455667;nubbins`;hm, apparently roughly 1:1
599749;1396455785;benkay;whatever i want :)
599750;1396456008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0436 = 0.1308 BTC [+]
599751;1396456020;benkay;hey does anyone have a concise "merge commits suck and you suck for producing them" on tap?
599752;1396456040;pankkake;no, but I'd like to
599753;1396456049;pankkake;also one of the reasons I hate github
599754;1396456057;benkay;i have a contractor whose hand needs to either be slapped or held, can't decide yet.
599755;1396456077;pankkake;worst is merge commits with nothing
599756;1396456078;benkay;pankkake: what does github have to do with merge commits?
599757;1396456084;pankkake;just a bad git pull
599758;1396456093;pankkake;you can merge pull requests from the web interface
599759;1396456106;pankkake;and it creates a github merge commit
599760;1396456130;benkay;ah
599761;1396456156;benkay;eh i'm not so hateful about that. it's nice to have a point at which the test branch was merged into master to point at.
599762;1396456202;benkay;it's the dev fucking with the test branch generating oodles of 'merging XXX of remote into XXX'
599763;1396456203;pankkake;but it gets for every little fix - actually little fixes are extremely insuited to pull requests
599764;1396456214;pankkake;just let me send a .patch…
599765;1396456216;benkay;sure sure
599766;1396456235;pankkake;:)
599767;1396456238;benkay;but apparently people can't even email any more
599768;1396456243;benkay;much less send patches over email
599769;1396456256;pankkake;yup
599770;1396456267;benkay;so here's the problem: people working on css do not understand or care about complexities of version control
599771;1396456280;benkay;nor, probably, should they.
599772;1396456296;benkay;(open to argument on that one. i don't know anything anyways.)
599773;1396456374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00094423 = 27.2882 BTC [-] {2} 
599774;1396456390;VanCleef;i actually like pankkake idea getting paid to troll
599775;1396456393;pankkake;I worked with a css guy that mastered version control, it's great but indeed rare
599776;1396456399;VanCleef;id love to setup a call centre in india doing that
599777;1396456405;benkay;;;later tell blackwhite remind me to ask you about pricing models some day
599778;1396456406;gribble;The operation succeeded.
599779;1396456406;pankkake;VanCleef: never happened and isn't open to business now
599780;1396456422;benkay;pankkake: sounds dangerously close to actually learning how to program :D :D :D
599781;1396456423;VanCleef;do you think the idea could work?
599782;1396456449;VanCleef;i might steal it
599783;1396456466;benkay;VanCleef: don't even need a call center. just a few effective humans somewhere cheap.
599784;1396456469;benkay;course
599785;1396456471;benkay;"effective"
599786;1396456473;benkay;"cheap"
599787;1396456474;pankkake;benkay: yeah, he knew how to. which is why I loved working with him: the CSS he was writing made sense. I almost never had to touch it, because it was thought for what was going to be written
599788;1396456491;VanCleef;troll patrol inc
599789;1396456502;benkay;VanCleef: do it.
599790;1396456513;pankkake;anyway, with git you can rewrite commits etc., so perhaps you could have some sort of staging branch for those who don't understand git
599791;1396456525;VanCleef;yeh maybe benkay
599792;1396456537;benkay;client ain't gonna pay for that
599793;1396456548;benkay;easier to crack the whip on new devs than get client to pay for vcs maintenance
599794;1396456562;pankkake;still they might have to rebase one day
599795;1396456566;VanCleef;troll/hyping service
599796;1396456591;pankkake;VanCleef: I don't think many have the funds for it
599797;1396456604;VanCleef;to pay for the serivce or set it up?
599798;1396456609;pankkake;to pay for the service
599799;1396456624;VanCleef;just like having a marketing budget
599800;1396456657;bounce;er. this is the usual "never time to do it right the first time, always time to do it again later, at higher cost" argument. yet somehow there's always room for people with clue. funny how that works.
599801;1396456696;pankkake;my theory is that smart clients don't outsource anyways
599802;1396456729;pankkake;but perhaps I'm jaded by past experiences
599803;1396456757;VanCleef;hmmm
599804;1396456776;benkay;just do less, but do it right.
599805;1396456785;bounce;at the very least they'll be picky about whom they outsource to
599806;1396456786;benkay;i like smart clients who know nothing about compute.
599807;1396456808;pankkake;doing less, but shipping on time, have less bugs etc. = happy client
599808;1396456820;pankkake;the issue is that you don't have to overpromise first
599809;1396456855;benkay;yeah f overpromising.
599810;1396456858;benkay;f overdelivering.
599811;1396456881;pankkake;I was fed up with having to fill overpromises I didn't make
599812;1396456910;pankkake;the worst was when my estimates were modified without my knowledge
599813;1396456917;benkay;ho ho ho
599814;1396456920;benkay;that's a funny one
599815;1396456931;pankkake;reasoning: "we need to have the contract, it will bring more business later"
599816;1396456936;*;bounce waits for a couple of /good/ devs and assorted other techies to team up and find themselves /competent/ management to lord it over them. that'll be the day.
599817;1396456969;pankkake;bounce: I know a few companies like that
599818;1396456980;benkay;bounce: the only solution is to be the competent management you wish to see in the world :)
599819;1396457029;bounce;no, that's not the only solution. far from it. but understanding that with good management you achieve more is a prerequisite.
599820;1396457050;benkay;i hear you.
599821;1396457104;pankkake;what I've seen is: people who know each other for years, start a company, struggle a lot but at least they enjoy it
599822;1396457133;pankkake;no recruiting outside the web of trust basically
599823;1396457135;bounce;that might work. it might also end in tears.
599824;1396457144;pankkake;yeah. lots of drama too
599825;1396457152;pankkake;sometimes
599826;1396457203;bounce;well, that's very limiting. what you need to do is very picky who you pick for what task. including picking promising newbies and give them leeway to earn (or lose) trust.
599827;1396457251;benkay;bounce: if you go that route you gotta set aside the time for mentorship and training as well.
599828;1396457283;bounce;ayup. but if you don't... you have more fires to put out. those aren't free either.
599829;1396457371;thestringpuller;lol never do business in btc outside web of trust
599830;1396457399;thestringpuller;benkay: would you rather the homie rebase the commits?
599831;1396457409;benkay;i don't really care
599832;1396457417;benkay;don't pollute test or master with your damn merge commits
599833;1396457426;benkay;i think i'm just going to say: 'see this? stop it.'
599834;1396457456;bounce;git patch output over email to the mentor
599835;1396457457;benkay;feelings be damned, he's not even my contractor.
599836;1396457480;thestringpuller;so tell him to do --no-ff or something
599837;1396457647;blackwhite;morning gents
599838;1396457743;pankkake;you could provide a .gitconfig wich prevents those by default
599839;1396457782;MisterE;fun market today ;)
599840;1396457800;thestringpuller;;;ticker
599841;1396457801;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 443.0, Best ask: 445.57, Bid-ask spread: 2.57000, Last trade: 443.0, 24 hour volume: 26274.54235203, 24 hour low: 440.0, 24 hour high: 494.98, 24 hour vwap: 468.462041006
599842;1396457810;thestringpuller;damn missing out on all the buying opportunity
599843;1396457816;MisterE;yea
599844;1396457827;MisterE;I'm gonna take a big GULP
599845;1396457856;thestringpuller;damn 50 USD spread over 24 hours
599846;1396457866;thestringpuller;market is becoming volatile
599847;1396457872;MisterE;down that much in 6
599848;1396457898;thestringpuller;volume is relatively low though...
599849;1396457902;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
599850;1396457902;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00093355 / 0.00094123 / 0.00094958 (896526 shares, 843.84 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094289 / 0.00095866 (7325348 shares, 6,907.07 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087825 / 0.00096 (30005155 shares, 26,352.03 BTC)
599851;1396457924;thestringpuller;$depth mpoe
599852;1396457925;mpexbot;thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['15650 @ 0.000944', '1292 @ 0.00094275', '29800 @ 0.00094126', '25400 @ 0.000939', '30700 @ 0.00093838']
599853;1396457926;mpexbot;thestringpuller: Asks: ['23152 @ 0.00094554', '16100 @ 0.00094958', '11500 @ 0.00095027', '35600 @ 0.00095069', '118611 @ 0.00096']
599854;1396458019;MisterE;LTC is a bloodbath lel
599855;1396458413;benkay;still gotta bleed out all of the enthusiasm of 2012
599856;1396458537;thestringpuller;enthusiasm? 2012 was frightening
599857;1396458548;thestringpuller;nothing compares to pirate's default...
599858;1396458606;jborkl;idk $266 to $50 was rough
599859;1396458612;jborkl;in a day
599860;1396458697;jborkl;but yeah $13 to $7? with pirate was pretty nasty, I thought it was over then
599861;1396458753;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23152 @ 0.00094554 = 21.8911 BTC [+]
599862;1396458996;MisterE;http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/okcoin-fxbtc-btc38-announce-end-chinese-yuan-deposits-starting-april-3-2014/2014/04/02
599863;1396458997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 133 @ 0.0008329 = 0.1108 BTC [-] {2} 
599864;1396459302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 160 @ 0.00084066 = 0.1345 BTC [+] {2} 
599865;1396459303;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.57100012 = 17.13 BTC [-] {4} 
599866;1396459381;MisterE;!ticker m btce
599867;1396459382;assbot;You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.
599868;1396459406;MisterE;;;ticker
599869;1396459408;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 434.99, Best ask: 435.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 435.0, 24 hour volume: 28041.83140952, 24 hour low: 435.0, 24 hour high: 494.98, 24 hour vwap: 466.903021318
599870;1396459430;mike_c;;;ticker --market btce
599871;1396459430;gribble;BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 427.682, Best ask: 428.999, Bid-ask spread: 1.31700, Last trade: 429.0, 24 hour volume: 18362.17626, 24 hour low: 426.01999, 24 hour high: 498.70001, 24 hour vwap: 462.36
599872;1396459590;MisterE;;;volume --market btce
599873;1396459591;gribble;Error: "volume" is not a valid command.
599874;1396459611;MisterE;;;depth --market btce
599875;1396459611;gribble;Error: "depth" is not a valid command.
599876;1396459625;MisterE;grrrribble!
599877;1396459731;punkman;http://www.economist.com/news/21589145-how-sort-best-rest-whos-good-forecasts
599878;1396459824;MisterE;;;baratio --market btce
599879;1396459824;gribble;BTCChina | Total bids: 1750087 USD. Total asks: 8049 BTC. Ratio: 217.42721 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 23.5225 seconds
599880;1396460222;benkay;wow baratio that's a new one
599881;1396460248;benkay;;;baratio --market bitstamp
599882;1396460248;gribble;Bitstamp | Total bids: 9380174 USD. Total asks: 24265 BTC. Ratio: 386.56786 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 192.8659 seconds
599883;1396460272;benkay;;;baratio --market kraken
599884;1396460273;gribble;Kraken | Total bids: 10750 USD. Total asks: 62 BTC. Ratio: 170.90992 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0002 seconds
599885;1396460303;benkay;;;calc 9380164/450
599886;1396460303;gribble;20844.8088889
599887;1396460314;benkay;;;calc 20844.8088889/24265
599888;1396460315;gribble;0.859048377865
599889;1396460328;benkay;;;calc 9380164/386.56786
599890;1396460329;gribble;24265.2454345
599891;1396460342;benkay;whoop
599892;1396460353;benkay;;;calc 9380164/24265
599893;1396460353;gribble;386.571770039
599894;1396460374;Mats_cd03;wow kraken is still operating
599895;1396460385;benkay;jurov kakobrekla is usd/btc sensible in the context of a bid/ask ratio?
599896;1396460396;benkay;is this how the pros do it?
599897;1396460533;thestringpuller;;;ticker
599898;1396460534;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 437.74, Best ask: 437.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.16000, Last trade: 437.9, 24 hour volume: 28545.80434639, 24 hour low: 430.51, 24 hour high: 494.98, 24 hour vwap: 465.254654461
599899;1396460651;benkay;;;ticker --market kraken
599900;1396460652;gribble;Kraken BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 450.0, Best ask: 457.28141, Bid-ask spread: 7.28141, Last trade: 457.28141, 24 hour volume: 18.86593899, 24 hour low: 452.73035, 24 hour high: 502.0, 24 hour vwap: 487.36119
599901;1396460656;jurov;honestly i dont know
599902;1396460805;benkay;has the gox practice of allowing unfunded bids and asks spread to bitstamp et al.?
599903;1396460941;Apocalyptic;benkay, btw what's your basis for the "stamp may be running a fractional" ?
599904;1396460954;benkay;rumors. fud.
599905;1396460980;benkay;one of those things that's hard to prove ahead of time.
599906;1396460992;benkay;see also: Gox.
599907;1396460997;Apocalyptic;not asking you to prove anything, just wondering
599908;1396461003;benkay;although they had known epic haxx ahead of time.
599909;1396461008;benkay;oh i can't prove anything, no worries :)
599910;1396461017;Apocalyptic;well afaik mircea hasn't called out stamp on trilema just yet
599911;1396461025;Apocalyptic;so it's different from the gox situation
599912;1396461182;thestringpuller;gox was called out almost a year ago
599913;1396461186;thestringpuller;is not more
599914;1396461252;jborkl;pankkake , you round
599915;1396461260;pankkake;yes
599916;1396461268;jborkl;you are in France correct?
599917;1396461271;pankkake;yes
599918;1396461349;jborkl;Can you see what the price of this piece of equipment is, the interwebs will not find it in english
599919;1396461358;jborkl;Gyspot Inverter BP.LC it is French made
599920;1396461779;pankkake;jborkl: http://www.outillage-btp.com/fr/p/5257-poste-de-soudage-par-point-gyspot-inverter-bp-lc-s7 … this is the best I can find so far
599921;1396461786;pankkake;apparently they don't want the price to be public
599922;1396461803;pankkake;http://www.kessaoutil.com/marque-gys-croissant-1.html sells the brand, and the product doesn't seem to be there
599923;1396461848;pankkake;http://ww1.outillage-francilien.fr/boutique/fiche_produit.cfm?ref=5S2001110&type=526&code_lg=lg_fr&num=2 9 840.00 €
599924;1396461850;ozbot;5S2001110 - POSTE DE SOUDURE PAR POINTS INVERTER GYSPOT BP.LC-S7 REFROIDI LIQUIDE GYS
599925;1396461851;jborkl;Thank you for looking, I need to buy a few and the price controls are tight.
599926;1396461870;jborkl;well a few oem approved from somewhere besides here
599927;1396461872;pankkake;"outillage" seems to be a good keyword for finding
599928;1396461872;benkay;state-backed price controls?
599929;1396461895;jborkl;no, vendor price control
599930;1396462169;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06847499 = 0.2739 BTC [-]
599931;1396462498;jurov;https://www.progressbar.sk/en/blog/posts/keynescoin first cryptocoin with exhaustive secification
599932;1396462500;ozbot;KeynesCoin - ProgressBar HackerSpace
599933;1396462702;cads;hey guys, where should I learn marketing?
599934;1396462763;rithm;4chan
599935;1396462790;cads;I've got a small virtual firm, with just one client that gives us a $1K job every couple of weeks
599936;1396462804;Mats_cd03;and what does your firm do
599937;1396462826;pankkake;jurov: ahahah. not even a reference to bernankoin though :(
599938;1396462838;cads;I wanna make a site and push some calls out to some other companies, I just... currently have no idea how to do that efficiently, and every reason to learn how
599939;1396462878;jurov;bernankoin is too unregulated
599940;1396462879;cads;Mats_cd03: we're a 2 person product prototyping team with a 3d printer and cad capability
599941;1396462890;pankkake;yeah
599942;1396462929;Mats_cd03;compile a list of companies operating in a space that could use your service
599943;1396462941;nubbins`;^
599944;1396462943;Mats_cd03;and start cold calling/pitching
599945;1396462946;nubbins`;^^
599946;1396462974;nubbins`;also, yellow pages (srsly)
599947;1396462993;nubbins`;start going to trade shows etc too
599948;1396463016;Mats_cd03;build a site with a nice template and short, legible URL and then start printing flyers
599949;1396463026;Mats_cd03;old school is best school
599950;1396463082;cads;so call random companies that I know develop products, get someone medium level on the phone and then explain something like, "hey I'm cads with shopcoin prototypes, and the reason I'm calling you today is to learn a little bit about how your company currently uses prototypes in its product design phase"
599951;1396463125;Mats_cd03;sure
599952;1396463145;Mats_cd03;that sounds more like research doe
599953;1396463159;Mats_cd03;when i do things like that i offer to buy lunch and see them in person
599954;1396463201;Mats_cd03;incidentally, you get some good networking done if you have a decent sized lunch budget
599955;1396463211;cads;Haha, I'll keep that in mind!
599956;1396463241;drkow;satoshi will speak to you for a free lunch
599957;1396463256;punkman;cads, companies that develop products likely don't need you. better to target designers, wannabe inventors, marketers, etc
599958;1396463354;Mats_cd03;yeah, pretty much that
599959;1396463375;Mats_cd03;the small bidness angle works better in that space
599960;1396463389;Mats_cd03;since theres no moat in 3d printing
599961;1396463413;cads;We are local and so we can deliver faster than the major prototyping houses
599962;1396463449;cads;we don't want to deal with small people because that kills our margins and forces us to deal with really bad 3d modelling.
599963;1396463471;cads;I think that's definitely an area to grow in, though.
599964;1396463472;Mats_cd03;thought about offering a design service?
599965;1396463488;MisterE;poorest customers are always the most hassle
599966;1396463611;cads;Mats_cd03: the design service we offer is great - I have 10 years cad experience and so does my partner. And it's a good price - 35 an hour for these low level cusomers (60 for corporate) - and where our corporate client is happy with our prices, the low level clients hate to even think of paying 35 an hour....
599967;1396463664;cads;they're like "well lemme go back to sketchup and see if I can make a part that you'll say is makeable, thanks"
599968;1396463726;cads;or they'll contact you wanting a huge order of 300 of some small, crude looking widget
599969;1396463729;Mats_cd03;on average, what are your billable hours per design
599970;1396463729;cads;their great invention
599971;1396463827;Mats_cd03;i think theres a sweet spot for pricing that can still be profitable for a two man operation
599972;1396463885;cads;Mats_cd03: I wouldn't bill more than two hours for converting a 2d drawing into a part, say with one round of revision for the client.
599973;1396464022;cads;to be honest I need to learn more about how to structure and price design work
599974;1396464060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00094649 = 31.4235 BTC [+]
599975;1396464169;ThickAsThieves;cads
599976;1396464172;ThickAsThieves;flat rates
599977;1396464180;ThickAsThieves;with boundaries
599978;1396464201;ThickAsThieves;tell them exactly what they get for a flat rate, and what costs might be beyond that
599979;1396464217;ThickAsThieves;and what might induce extra costs
599980;1396464251;ThickAsThieves;if youve been doing it 10 yrs this shouldnt be hard to map out
599981;1396464280;cads;with the clients I feel like just talking to them about their designs and what it would take to make them makeable means they get expert input without paying a dime, and then they realize they can't afford the job and we're out half an hour worth of email correspondence time.
599982;1396464312;cads;I don't want clients that don't know how to do well for themselves, lol
599983;1396464353;ThickAsThieves;it's okay to have standards and minimum things worth your time
599984;1396464367;ThickAsThieves;it does get tricky to bill for a pitch process
599985;1396464372;ThickAsThieves;but it's not absurd
599986;1396464408;cads;yeah, I definitely wanna regroup my efforts and get with some known best approaches
599987;1396464448;cads;getting discouraged by my interactions so far would seem to imply I've done everything under the sun and it didn't work, but that's not at all true
599988;1396464471;cads;ThickAsThieves: I like the flat rate approach!
599989;1396464501;ThickAsThieves;hourly from the get-go just doesnt work
599990;1396464519;cads;one thing I notice is that charging people per hour seems to throw them for a loop
599991;1396464526;cads;not corporate people
599992;1396464529;cads;but regular people
599993;1396464532;nubbins`;okay, so.
599994;1396464536;ThickAsThieves;not all people
599995;1396464538;nubbins`;we had some snow here the other day.
599996;1396464546;nubbins`;check out this video (sorry about the ads): http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/NL/Featured/ID/2446160712/
599997;1396464554;ThickAsThieves;however it's just as much a burden on you as tge customer
599998;1396464567;ThickAsThieves;tracking all your hours, feeling guilty and adjusting hours
599999;1396464574;cads;right, extra record keeping or guessing and adjusting
600000;1396464581;ThickAsThieves;trying to "play" it to what you think the client will accept
600001;1396464584;cads;right
600002;1396464585;ThickAsThieves;it's a silly game
600003;1396464587;cads;this is just so much simpler
600004;1396464611;ThickAsThieves;also, dont compromise your minimum package
600005;1396464615;nubbins`;aaah i'm fuckin crying watching this video
600006;1396464624;ThickAsThieves;truly know what your minimum sized project is
600007;1396464628;cads;maybe have a "maker" tier design service and a "industrial" tier
600008;1396464630;ThickAsThieves;and dont do less
600009;1396464664;ThickAsThieves;also have a process for giving fair warning about extra costs
600010;1396464674;ThickAsThieves;dont spend the budget and leave a client stranded
600011;1396464690;cads;for the freemium tier the client gets their design automatically validated by my software - I do that for all prints anyways
600012;1396464701;MisterE;http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-supreme-court-campaign-contributions-ruling-impact-20140402,0,2106567.story
600013;1396464702;ozbot;Supreme Court ruling on campaign contributions: More clout for the rich - latimes.com
600014;1396464716;mike_c;i have contracted out many many tasks on hourly and flat-fee basis.  both sides have always been happier with flat fee.
600015;1396464731;ThickAsThieves;earlier asked about learning marketing, which is obv a loaded question
600016;1396464733;mike_c;but those are largely recurring tasks, and the fee can be adjusted if one side is unbalanced
600017;1396464781;ThickAsThieves;also dont feel guilty when your flat feed is 500% more cost than work was actually needed to complete
600018;1396464792;ThickAsThieves;youll need that padding for the ones that are the reverse
600019;1396464893;cads;I don't want those minimal customers to sense that, lol
600020;1396464900;thestringpuller;sorry to interrupt
600021;1396464908;thestringpuller;BUT
600022;1396464912;thestringpuller;ThickAsThieves hit nail on head
600023;1396464915;ThickAsThieves;dont worry about what they "sense" the rates are on the label
600024;1396464943;ThickAsThieves;dont take no shit, and dont be no shit
600025;1396464944;cads;by complying to the flat fee they actually have to come to a stance that it's at least fair-ish
600026;1396464961;ThickAsThieves;not "-ish"
600027;1396464966;ThickAsThieves;it's the price to play
600028;1396464984;ThickAsThieves;without it, you dont exist and cant provide the service they value
600029;1396464991;Apocalyptic;ThickAsThieves, maybe he meant it in the karpeles way
600030;1396464995;thestringpuller;As T-Pain would say, "Whatever I send out homie I'm a make back. Put that on my Maybach"
600031;1396465045;cads;ThickAsThieves: the customer may grudgingly accept the price knowing full well they will utilize only 10% of the service bundle they're purchasing. And this is okay because it get them the play they need.
600032;1396465092;cads;sounds good
600033;1396465094;Mats_cd03;i think charging $100 for every design would serve you well
600034;1396465172;Mats_cd03;its a nice round number that establishes value and leaves you with negotiating power
600035;1396465226;punkman;missing a 0 there
600036;1396465235;cads;so right now my clients feel too cheap to pay $60 design fee, _and_ they find out how much I ostensibly work.
600037;1396465240;thestringpuller;or a few zeros
600038;1396465254;thestringpuller;find better clients?
600039;1396465257;cads;telling them 100 stops the games of when the customer is assuming it'll only take 20 minutes of design work.
600040;1396465276;cads;and keeps the truly cheap customers from even coming in the door
600041;1396465279;ThickAsThieves;cads, even if the minimum is perceived to be more work than needed, it does a very important thing
600042;1396465291;ThickAsThieves;allows you opportunity to OVER-deliver
600043;1396465306;cads;this is what we were able to do for our large client
600044;1396465317;ThickAsThieves;it also motivates you to do good work
600045;1396465320;ThickAsThieves;and impress
600046;1396465322;ThickAsThieves;etc
600047;1396465328;cads;we gave him a part that was so strong you could club a seal with it
600048;1396465353;cads;where the part that the company's overseas printer made would creak if you squeezed it
600049;1396465370;cads;I was particularly proud of our machine for that
600050;1396465399;cads;ThickAsThieves: that's a very very important point to me
600051;1396465399;ThickAsThieves;yep, set yourself up for success and progress, everyone wins
600052;1396465417;ThickAsThieves;if it doesnt work out, do something else
600053;1396465427;ThickAsThieves;at least you dont need to spend 20 years being miserable
600054;1396465461;cads;lol, even if I produce failure after failure there are still gonna be the moments where everyone is brilliant!
600055;1396465516;punkman;cads, what kind of printer do you have?
600056;1396465598;cads;it is a delta gantry printer with a cylindrical build volume approximately 200mm in diameter and 300mm tall - a Rostock Max, manufactured by the awesome See-Me-CNC
600057;1396465915;punkman;cads, cool stuff, haven't had a chance to play with a delta bot. I've built a couple Prusas myself, calibration was kinda impossible though and I had better things to do, so I just got rid of them.
600058;1396466098;benkay;over deliver on quality, though. not features or time spent on the thing.
600059;1396466518;[KS];cads: my 0.02c - customers bring customers. start with the cheapskates and guess what your future customers will be ... it's very important you chose your "inital" group of customers carefully and that you don't hesistate to fire the ones you don't want. return customers are more valuable than one-offs.
600060;1396466561;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06600011 = 0.594 BTC [-] {2} 
600061;1396466707;[KS];if you have enough experience, you can even evaluate the "avg lifetime worth" of a customer, that helps price your service as well.
600062;1396466913;diametric;cads: Oh you have a Rostock Max?
600063;1396466970;cads;yep, it's given us the deepest of headaches and the purest of joys :P
600064;1396466988;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 472 @ 0.0008881 = 0.4192 BTC [+] {5} 
600065;1396467042;diametric;cads: nice. I'm very familiar with it =)
600066;1396467047;cads;get it tuned up and you have a formidable machine
600067;1396467057;cads;ah, nice!
600068;1396467064;diametric;I've been to SeeMeCNC's machine shop, John's a friend of mine
600069;1396467064;cads;You have a Romax?
600070;1396467074;cads;John's great.
600071;1396467075;diametric;cads: http://i.imgur.com/xHo4VDX.jpg pic of my lab
600072;1396467081;diametric;He is, he's a pretty awesome guy
600073;1396467084;cads;Saved our butt during a job.
600074;1396467160;cads;hey have you given any thought to the thermal engineering that'd go into a heated build volume for a delta beast?
600075;1396467207;thestringpuller;;;ticker
600076;1396467208;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 441.04, Best ask: 442.55, Bid-ask spread: 1.51000, Last trade: 442.55, 24 hour volume: 31652.77079318, 24 hour low: 430.51, 24 hour high: 494.98, 24 hour vwap: 461.473930677
600077;1396467218;kakobrekla;hi, who ranged
600078;1396467242;cads;we don't want to build our next printer but we will, if we can't find a well engineered delta printer with heated build volume
600079;1396467266;cads;also the outer envelope of the machine _needs_ to be completely inert and safe
600080;1396467365;diametric;hmm
600081;1396467404;diametric;You could try keeping the part warm with IR heat lamps pointed at the build area
600082;1396467405;diametric;but its not idea
600083;1396467452;kakobrekla;Apocalyptic what about blockr
600084;1396467470;diametric;ideal*
600085;1396467482;punkman;if you build an enclosure, the heated platform and extruder can probably heat up the whole thing. You just want to avoid overheating the steppers after that.
600086;1396467496;diametric;yeah, it definitely will
600087;1396467508;cads;the steppers can easily live outside of the volume in the romax design, luckily
600088;1396467509;diametric;I've used giant cardboard boxes as enclosures on parts I had warping issues with
600089;1396467514;cads;to wit, they already do
600090;1396467517;diametric;yeah
600091;1396467540;Apocalyptic;kakobrekla, wanted to contact them regarding the lack of market listing for ATC
600092;1396467557;kakobrekla;what the vol
600093;1396467564;cads;I'm thinking of lasering an acrylic envelope for the whole printer
600094;1396467572;kakobrekla;whats the vol*
600095;1396467576;diametric;cads: You could probably use some extrusions and build yourself an acrylic octagon enclosure.
600096;1396467585;diametric;Just put hinges on a part of it and you can literally wrap it around
600097;1396467589;cads;I estimate $200-$300 to have the stuff made
600098;1396467592;Apocalyptic;kakobrekla, what timeframe ?
600099;1396467597;punkman;cads, there's still the extruder's stepper, unless you go bowden cable
600100;1396467607;diametric;punkman: Almost all deltas are bowden
600101;1396467616;kakobrekla;dunno, spit out the numbers, daily, weekly, monthly
600102;1396467620;diametric;Theres a few that aren't, but most of them are since its a lot of weight to move around
600103;1396467625;cads;we can put the extruder out of the space I think
600104;1396467633;diametric;I'm even using the magnetic ball joints
600105;1396467639;cads;err, the e-motor
600106;1396467650;cads;diametric: how are you those working for you?
600107;1396467651;punkman;I've been told bowden is a headache, but I wouldn't know
600108;1396467663;cads;I don't know anything other than bowden
600109;1396467675;cads;and yeah, we still can't do bridging right
600110;1396467696;cads;there are some weird issues
600111;1396467750;cads;and some practical ones - like the bowden tube twice popped out of its push-n-lock connector
600112;1396467776;Apocalyptic;kakobrekla, current daily: 38,532 ATC, weekly: 544,043 ATC, monthly: 3,159,523 ATC
600113;1396467803;cads;I'd definitely feel iffy about putting an extruder motor directly on the end of the delta effector arm
600114;1396467821;cads;already I feel like there's too much sway in the arm and in the printer columns
600115;1396467824;kakobrekla;whats that in btc
600116;1396467826;kakobrekla;?
600117;1396467837;Apocalyptic;would be nice to have the charts like other coins do
600118;1396467841;punkman;cads, romax page shows a direct-drive extruder, you got a different one?
600119;1396467864;kakobrekla;yes Apocalyptic but the signal must not be fucked or else its useless
600120;1396467870;punkman;oh never mind, I wasn't looking close enough
600121;1396467880;kakobrekla;meaning you need some vol to average out, is all im saying.
600122;1396467908;Apocalyptic;kakobrekla, you can divide by a million roughly
600123;1396467924;Apocalyptic;afaik it's the most active ATC market
600124;1396467980;kakobrekla;whats the url again?
600125;1396467984;kakobrekla;sorry forgot
600126;1396467994;Apocalyptic;https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc
600127;1396467995;ozbot;X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin
600128;1396468003;kakobrekla;k, ill let you know.
600129;1396468015;cads;punkman: link?
600130;1396468020;cads;oh
600131;1396468022;cads;lol
600132;1396468024;Apocalyptic;I sent an email in the meantime
600133;1396468056;kakobrekla;well you can send as many as you want, those are free.
600134;1396468079;Apocalyptic;heh
600135;1396468082;cads;punkman: all in all I like bowden
600136;1396468118;cads;for example if you have a 5 filament drive with a mixing extruder, you need bowden drives
600137;1396468128;cads;even if your extruder has a motor on board for the mixing
600138;1396468171;cads;(the reason to go to all this trouble is, of course, variable color)
600139;1396468195;cads;(and to a less extent, variable material properties)
600140;1396468209;punkman;cads, I wonder why there aren't more people working on adding servo/feedback loops on an extruder
600141;1396468230;punkman;patents maybe?
600142;1396468246;diametric;punkman: direct drive and bowden are not mutually exclusive
600143;1396468255;diametric;unless I misunderstood what you said
600144;1396468312;cads;punkman: problably the entry cost for the design work required for the sensors is what's the main issue
600145;1396468351;punkman;cads, you in Europe btw?
600146;1396468352;diametric;punkman: complexity and cost.
600147;1396468360;diametric;for feedback, is the primary reason.
600148;1396468380;cads;the math/control/coding is not too hard
600149;1396468389;cads;at least imo
600150;1396468391;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 59 @ 0.0075 = 0.4425 BTC [+]
600151;1396468419;Apocalyptic;anyway thanks for relaying kako
600152;1396468433;diametric;cads: the servo motors that have the torque required as much more expensive
600153;1396468460;cads;ah
600154;1396468512;diametric;Theres a crazy guy, I think his name is Jetguy on various forums, built such a machine though.
600155;1396468515;diametric;He spared no expense
600156;1396468525;cads;I was thinking feedback loops with sensors reading the filament travel, extrusion rate, or extruder pressure
600157;1396468539;diametric;I was next to him at Makerfaire NYC, its a crazy machine but like $10K USD in cost for a very marginal improvement over a similar $2K machine.
600158;1396468571;cads;diametric: a company is launching a printer that has a feed sensor that detects that filalement is coming out of the extruder drive and travelling into the bowden tube
600159;1396468586;diametric;cads: Thats not too hard to do
600160;1396468597;diametric;Are they doing it for calibration or for safety during a jam?
600161;1396468606;cads;but the features that gives seem to be lame duck - it can cancel the print if you run out of filament, and that's it
600162;1396468623;diametric;Yeah that is lame. You can do a really simple encoder on the idler bearing of the extruder
600163;1396468628;diametric;and detect when it stops extruding due to a jam.
600164;1396468632;cads;maybe they implement jam detection
600165;1396468640;cads;I would hope they do
600166;1396468645;diametric;But it won't cover all jams (such as popping the bowden tube and filament just freely spooling in the air)
600167;1396468670;cads;right, that's happened to us but it was under our supervision at the time
600168;1396468677;cads;human feedback loops, we were :)
600169;1396468690;diametric;I saw that, did you make sure the PTC teeth didn't break? Every time I've had that happen, PTC teeth broke and the whole fitting was weaker as a result.
600170;1396468691;cads;a pair of*
600171;1396468697;diametric;Now I have spare PTC fittings, though I haven't had any jam issues.
600172;1396468702;diametric;cads: What hotend are you using?
600173;1396468783;cads;diametric: we talked to john about the push to connect - apparently the first batch was cheap chinese stuff
600174;1396468789;diametric;if you're having bowden bursting jams I'm guessing an E3D while printing PLA.
600175;1396468795;diametric;or that too.
600176;1396468800;cads;we got some from mcmaster
600177;1396468805;cads;and no problems
600178;1396468842;cads;I don't know what caused the initial explosion but we thought we fixed it and it popped out again
600179;1396468853;cads;it went a couple weeks without popping out, lol
600180;1396468864;cads;and didn't pop out due to a jam
600181;1396468907;cads;so whatevs, we have what appears to be the reason for incidents
600182;1396468911;diametric;oh okay
600183;1396468953;cads;and yes, pnc connectors (an amazing technology, really!) are definitely one of those things to have on hand
600184;1396468953;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
600185;1396469251;thestringpuller;!last m s.mpoe
600186;1396469251;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00094649 BTC [+]
600187;1396469348;cads;punkman: we're here in Atlanta, Georgia
600188;1396469518;mircea_popescu;cedivad hey
600189;1396469533;cedivad;mircea_popescu hey
600190;1396469539;mircea_popescu;nice work on the .lk thing
600191;1396469650;mircea_popescu;(that is yours is it ?)
600192;1396469733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.043895 = 0.439 BTC [+] {2} 
600193;1396469776;mircea_popescu;nubbins`:what if i told you... that your investment went straight into the pockets of cypriot marketing firms? << that's only part of it. even should the guy have been fucktarded enough to pay ratecard, which is not entirely impossible, given how well his brain worked otherwise,
600194;1396469788;mircea_popescu;i can't for the life of me imagine those firms didn't throw him kickbacks under the table
600195;1396469794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0560255 = 0.2241 BTC [-] {4} 
600196;1396469803;mircea_popescu;we're talking cyprus here, which is worse than greece, which is about 50x as bad as chicago in 1890.
600197;1396469815;cedivad;yes, it is, and thank you (again) :)
600198;1396469839;mircea_popescu;kickback culture is about as ingrained as kleenexing in the us, i just can't imagine any context in which it'd have been omitted.
600199;1396469855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.577 = 1.154 BTC [+]
600200;1396469859;mircea_popescu;cedivad you actively working on it ? or kinda made-and-forget sorta deal for oyu ?
600201;1396469890;cedivad;i'm sporadically working on it
600202;1396469943;mircea_popescu;aite. well if you need help say, who knows.
600203;1396470280;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/0ebe6561215a6a7a5af83de0a80989b1/tumblr_mkz9xgXFqM1rmcr76o1_1280.jpg
600204;1396470283;mircea_popescu;ckk powar!
600205;1396470509;moiety;that one *really* needs shoes
600206;1396470517;moiety;evening all
600207;1396470548;mircea_popescu;the imf is now "warning of low inflation". for the love of all the gods, this is like living in a dali painting.
600208;1396470570;mircea_popescu;weren't these fuckwits all over everyone's case all through the 90s about how they're supposed to deflate ? argentina, brazil, asia, the works ?
600209;1396470576;mircea_popescu;moiety hey there.
600210;1396470599;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: why do you keep posting pics of poor people from your country with no clothes?
600211;1396470604;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkOqFEECUAAqEVZ.png << half of china is roughly the size of california.
600212;1396470644;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid actually that's the ukraine, and i'm trying to get a trend going.
600213;1396470646;Mats_cd03;i anticipate a tripling of chinese expats in the next ten years
600214;1396470658;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 whyssat ?
600215;1396470666;Mats_cd03;.cn sux
600216;1396470679;mircea_popescu;even if you're rich /
600217;1396470679;mircea_popescu;?
600218;1396470686;moiety;CheckDavid: they generally look quite happy
600219;1396470687;Mats_cd03;and the nouveau rich are numerous enough to leave the country
600220;1396470709;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.57102 = 2.8551 BTC [-]
600221;1396470711;Mats_cd03;yeah, even if youre rich, the weathy and smart chinese try to leave
600222;1396470717;Mats_cd03;or at least send their children to western schools
600223;1396470730;mircea_popescu;hm
600224;1396470747;mircea_popescu;i always thought it's quaintly corrupt and thus quite comfortable.
600225;1396470754;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: which trend? Posting pics. Taking them? Or just hanging around naked on the street?
600226;1396470761;moiety;there's more people in london than the whole of scotland
600227;1396470797;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid women under 30 spending their life in the buff.
600228;1396470813;mircea_popescu;moiety yeah but what about sheep ? :D
600229;1396470839;CheckDavid;Buff?
600230;1396470854;mircea_popescu;dude you're really new are you ?
600231;1396470855;mircea_popescu;naked.
600232;1396470880;thestringpuller;;;ud buff
600233;1396470881;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=buff | When someone is looking fine u say they are buff (London ting)
600234;1396470881;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: buff
600235;1396470901;CheckDavid;I didn't know that term that's all
600236;1396470915;moiety;mircea_popescu: thats something we have in abundance! take *that* london!
600237;1396470927;mircea_popescu;:D
600238;1396470928;mircea_popescu;César Salazar “Lo más difícil es dar el primer paso” - Alguien que nunca llegó al centésimo paso
600239;1396470941;mircea_popescu;whoa check that out, apparently you can say intelligent things in spanish!
600240;1396470942;mircea_popescu;who knew.
600241;1396470962;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid so now you do :p
600242;1396470962;CheckDavid;Baha
600243;1396470972;CheckDavid;Yeah now I do
600244;1396471028;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: if you watch modern family. There's zone got chick there always quoting popular wisdom is Spanish
600245;1396471056;CheckDavid;She was talking with this single woman who couldn't find a partner
600246;1396471064;moiety;http://metro.co.uk/2014/04/01/the-elephant-in-the-living-room-baby-elephant-wanders-into-familys-house-4685779/
600247;1396471065;CheckDavid;And said something like
600248;1396471074;ozbot;Thula Thula Private Game Reserve: Elephant wanders into family's house | Metro News
600249;1396471087;moiety;that guy beats my sheep D:
600250;1396471089;CheckDavid;Love is always waiting around the corner.
600251;1396471106;moiety;well CheckDavid can it stop waiting please, im no spring chicken
600252;1396471119;CheckDavid;(I come from a country with a lot of prostitutes)
600253;1396471131;mircea_popescu;hahah
600254;1396471133;moiety;thats nice for you
600255;1396471135;mircea_popescu;what country is that ?
600256;1396471136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41018 @ 0.0009464 = 38.8194 BTC [-] {2} 
600257;1396471157;diametric;yeah that narrows it down...
600258;1396471203;mircea_popescu;diametric :p
600259;1396471214;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=czUeYuR_M0Y
600260;1396471225;CheckDavid;Sorry moiety ?
600261;1396471248;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: I think she is from Columbia
600262;1396471270;Mats_cd03;mircea_popescu: the country has been pooped on by industrialization
600263;1396471319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17608 @ 0.00094548 = 16.648 BTC [-]
600264;1396471368;mircea_popescu;moiety lol shit's adorable
600265;1396471563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00094565 = 9.1728 BTC [+]
600266;1396471577;blg;CheckDavid: you are from columbia?
600267;1396471619;CheckDavid;No blg
600268;1396471628;CheckDavid;moiety: very cute elephant
600269;1396471628;blg;oh
600270;1396471649;ThickAsThieves;"Given Russia's ongoing violation of Ukraine¹s sovereignty and territorial integrity, until further notice, the U.S. Government has determined that all NASA contacts with Russian Government representatives are suspended, unless the activity has been specifically excepted. This suspension includes NASA travel to Russia and visits by Russian Government representatives to NASA facilities,
600271;1396471649;ThickAsThieves;bilateral meetings, email, and teleconferences or videoconferences. At the present time, only operational International Space Station activities have been excepted. In addition, multilateral meetings held outside of Russia that may include Russian participation are not precluded under the present guidance."
600272;1396471690;ThickAsThieves;we wont do business with you! except where we really need you!
600273;1396471693;mircea_popescu;lmao
600274;1396471700;mircea_popescu;so no more us flights to the space station ?
600275;1396471717;ThickAsThieves;SpaceX never felt so special
600276;1396471719;mircea_popescu;first they cut the sub-mars nasa budget, now they cut its space station budget under the guise of politics
600277;1396471725;mircea_popescu;nasa is sort-of like the next neobee
600278;1396471760;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://jezebel.com/the-united-states-of-bros-a-map-and-field-guide-1550563737 << check out the liberated girls that last got laid back when their hair was a lot shorter hating on teh chicago brohood.
600279;1396471768;bounce;so, care to step in and fund mpspace and mpmooncolony?
600280;1396471792;mircea_popescu;i'd rather give to Worldwide Nude Whoredom Foundation.
600281;1396471794;bounce;especially seeing that mpoe-pr needs a vacation
600282;1396471811;mircea_popescu;ahaha so you want mpoe-pr sent to teh planets ? noted.
600283;1396471854;bounce;it'd make for a goodly long trip literally far away from all teh tr0lls
600284;1396471867;steven-__;people are always blathering on about women in tech where is the outrage over MPOE-PR, surely this is more of a story than that github whore or the nigger who tweeted a picture of some boys making dongle jokes?
600285;1396471888;bounce;right, scratch that idea. instead of giant pepsi and/or coce ads in orbit we'd get giant nekkid lahdeez in orbit
600286;1396472025;mircea_popescu;steven-__ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2014#563571
600287;1396472107;mircea_popescu;and since on it, CheckDavid http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#476559 :p
600288;1396472117;mircea_popescu;you aaaaare noooot aloooone
600289;1396472239;mircea_popescu;drkow why so mean ?
600290;1396472342;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: I guess I have to go to ukraine
600291;1396472349;CheckDavid;The women are just my style
600292;1396472355;CheckDavid;Physically
600293;1396472387;mircea_popescu;news at eight : tall young white women in everyone's style, this reporter has learned.
600294;1396472448;bounce;checkdavid is "everyone" now?
600295;1396472479;mircea_popescu;i'm being journalistic, stop hating.
600296;1396472495;mircea_popescu;do you want me to go practice my pistol skills on leah's range ?
600297;1396472516;Mats_cd03;sounds hot
600298;1396472550;bounce;turns out "everyone" hates paparazzi. scientific fact.
600299;1396472575;CheckDavid;My friends criticize my likings in woman
600300;1396472586;CheckDavid;That's why I said it's style
600301;1396472592;CheckDavid;*my
600302;1396472626;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nice find
600303;1396472629;bounce;s/coce/coke/ and I didn't even notice. such a den of corruption.
600304;1396472652;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid i nearly said "well fuck them", but then i checked myself.
600305;1396472738;mircea_popescu;so people who have been following asicminer a lot closer than me... how bad is it ?
600306;1396472747;mircea_popescu;missed dividends et all, whole thing coming unglued ?
600307;1396472874;thestringpuller;;;mine
600308;1396472874;gribble;Error: "mine" is not a valid command.
600309;1396472879;thestringpuller;;;generate
600310;1396472879;gribble;Error: "generate" is not a valid command.
600311;1396472884;thestringpuller;;;gen
600312;1396472884;gribble;Error: "gen" is not a valid command.
600313;1396472902;mircea_popescu;genrate dude.
600314;1396472930;thestringpuller;thank you mircea_popescu
600315;1396472932;thestringpuller;:P
600316;1396472966;mircea_popescu;bounce waits for a couple of /good/ devs and assorted other techies to team up and find themselves /competent/ management to lord it over them. that'll be the day. <<< how the fuck do you think mpex works.
600317;1396473009;BingoBoingo;!t h am1
600318;1396473009;assbot;[HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.57100010 / 0.57405722 / 0.61789884 (85 shares, 48.79486377 BTC), 7D: 0.52200000 / 0.60507272 / 0.67470380 (725 shares, 438.67772256 BTC), 30D: 0.52200000 / 0.61177017 / 0.69510000 (3175 shares, 1942.37027936 BTC)
600319;1396473024;thestringpuller;time at work flies when mircea_popescu is online
600320;1396473041;mircea_popescu;kik
600321;1396473045;thestringpuller;I thank you for making my work day during "busy work" from keeping me from going insane.
600322;1396473087;jurov;http://thebitcoinnews.co.uk/2014/04/02/prypto-group-limited-to-be-listed-on-bitcoinbourse-eu-from-april-15th-2014/
600323;1396473093;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/b4a37cb3a29bd98adea2e82c27fc171c/tumblr_mkm7tvzCix1rmcr76o1_500.jpg
600324;1396473097;jurov;IPO for scratch cards. Not impressed.
600325;1396473097;ozbot;Prypto Group Limited to be listed on BitcoinBourse.eu from April 15th, 2014. | The Bitcoin News
600326;1396473098;mircea_popescu;have a coupla metro whores.
600327;1396473114;moiety;CheckDavid: they bring the girls, i infiltrate -assets with cute :D
600328;1396473129;*;bounce can't afford mpex so no idea how it works
600329;1396473134;mircea_popescu;(you can tell they're strippers by the back grill they sport there)
600330;1396473150;Mats_cd03;they need to spend more time in the gym
600331;1396473173;mircea_popescu;at their age ?
600332;1396473178;BCB;http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2014-04-02/
600333;1396473179;ozbot;Dilbert comic strip for 04/02/2014 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive.
600334;1396473202;mircea_popescu;i think that makes 5 ?
600335;1396473224;jurov;BCB, Trezor folks used this on facebook and wrote a comment "can't happen with Trezor"
600336;1396473233;moiety;there a fight going on outside somewhere :(
600337;1396473235;jurov;do tell about missing a point
600338;1396473236;CheckDavid;moiety: haha good job
600339;1396473238;moiety;there's*
600340;1396473251;moiety;sorry im like super distracted this pat few days
600341;1396473258;BCB;jurov: link?
600342;1396473269;punkman;moiety, http://25.media.tumblr.com/26c81247ed77ecf150566fe28c47af45/tumblr_mh9jtdJxi21rebih1o1_1280.jpg
600343;1396473271;bounce;bitcoinbourse is the "I SUE YOO" guy, no?
600344;1396473289;moiety;jurov: omg!! lololololol
600345;1396473302;moiety;jurovan* sorry i have no idea why i typed jurov
600346;1396473304;jurov;https://www.facebook.com/BitcoinTrezor?fref=ts
600347;1396473306;Mats_cd03;i drooled butt grease from bad pizza once
600348;1396473309;moiety;punkman -- im still doing it
600349;1396473310;mircea_popescu;lmao
600350;1396473315;Mats_cd03;true story... ruined some shorts
600351;1396473320;mircea_popescu;moiety got a crush ?
600352;1396473330;moiety;lol i havent even talked to him for a few days lol
600353;1396473332;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 i think that's called olestra.
600354;1396473361;jurov;bounce, that's dotcoin
600355;1396473367;moiety;mybrain totally isnt in gear, sorry again punkman
600356;1396473377;Mats_cd03;it was a place called ciceros pizza thats in san jose ca
600357;1396473390;jurov;bounce, not sure if that's the guy you hace in mind
600358;1396473406;*;bounce has been reading too many things lately
600359;1396473406;Mats_cd03;cicero is an asshole, apparently
600360;1396473418;mircea_popescu;so kraken pretty much sunk post theyr 600 btc debacle did it.
600361;1396473432;mircea_popescu;a well. live and fucking learn, when the girl tells you to stfu and fix things you stfu and fix things.
600362;1396473450;mircea_popescu;o wait... the girl is no longer on the forum. inexplicably, all the rubes muchly relieved. d'oh.
600363;1396473475;bounce;of course. saves a lot of singtfu and fixing things.
600364;1396473509;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic as far as i know, stamp's problems in our heads all trace to kakobrekla not likeing them, which was a year ago and he never really explained past "i met them and they're fucktarded".
600365;1396473538;bounce;the -assets rating agency in action
600366;1396473538;kakobrekla;go ahead and like them.
600367;1396473545;jurov;kako explained he has inside info about bitstamp being in mysql backed once a day or so
600368;1396473553;jurov;and about nejc being an asshole
600369;1396473560;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i ain't arguing, you speak their language.
600370;1396473585;*;bounce would concur with the mysql verdict
600371;1396473591;jborkl;mircea_popescu> so kraken pretty much sunk post theyr 600 btc debacle did it. ??
600372;1396473595;jborkl;they out
600373;1396473598;jborkl;?
600374;1396473607;kakobrekla;<jurov> kako explained he has inside info about bitstamp being in mysql backed once a day or so < on the same server. only.
600375;1396473614;mircea_popescu;jborkl apparently doing less volume on their exchange than i do buying stockings.
600376;1396473623;mircea_popescu;<bounce> the -assets rating agency in action << word.
600377;1396473633;Neil;More insane hashing power seems to have hit the network.  With the price dropping precipitously there must be miners who are hurting.
600378;1396473655;Mats_cd03;good
600379;1396473656;mircea_popescu;Neil yeah. the ones not backed by governments.
600380;1396473662;jborkl;oh and now that -pr is banned, who is going to tell the 3 sock puppets they suck?
600381;1396473670;bounce;backups on the same server. oh dear. well, I suppose it /might/ guard against mysql inexplicably fscking up in some creative way or other
600382;1396473697;mircea_popescu;jborkl the theory i heard was more like "well now that mpoe-pr is not there to walk  all over their faces, kinda lost interest in the whole show"
600383;1396473718;mircea_popescu;apparently more poeople were tuning into tardstalk to check out the lady with a chainsaw at the special olympics
600384;1396473726;mircea_popescu;than for the actual special olympics.
600385;1396473758;jborkl;good point
600386;1396473774;kakobrekla;and also, "he never really explained past " < - i did a lot of explaining around, just maybe not in your private window.
600387;1396473774;bounce;does give the test to the "been propping them up" hypothesis
600388;1396473796;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla was it in the log somewhere ?
600389;1396473827;kakobrekla;forums, logs, emails, written in stone, you name it
600390;1396473833;Neil;6 blocks in 10 mins ffs
600391;1396473833;mircea_popescu;cool lol.
600392;1396473842;mircea_popescu;far as i'm concerned it's still "kako didn't like them"
600393;1396473855;kakobrekla;well they dont know what they are doing
600394;1396473858;mircea_popescu;my brain actually works like this. once you become stupid i might start caring about the details of whart they did.
600395;1396473860;kakobrekla;i dunno why i should like them.
600396;1396473869;bounce;the brave new bitcoin world so needs code auditors, as well as financial auditors.
600397;1396473872;mircea_popescu;but until then, whatever. too much stuff to remember anyway.
600398;1396473890;BingoBoingo;.d
600399;1396473890;ozbot;5.007 billion | Next Diff in 503 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.8722% in 2d 20h 48m 20s
600400;1396473900;kakobrekla;eh mp, question everything.
600401;1396473905;mike_c;it's all explained right here.  http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=5
600402;1396473918;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla "why am i lazy ?"
600403;1396473940;kakobrekla;does this has something to do with your last line in pm?
600404;1396473945;kakobrekla;have
600405;1396473949;bounce;heck, not even code autitors so much as systems design auditors
600406;1396473959;mircea_popescu;no, that's different lazy.
600407;1396473972;mircea_popescu;bounce let's not bounce ahead of ourselves by leaps and bounces.
600408;1396473985;mircea_popescu;start by getting everyone to FUCKING REPORT BY STANDARD!
600409;1396473988;bounce;vewwy punny
600410;1396474007;kakobrekla;anyway i slept for an hour, been up all day, need a break. later
600411;1396474008;mircea_popescu;there's a standard, every fuckwit dimwit and captain foreskinhead out there thinks they know better.
600412;1396474012;mircea_popescu;cheers.
600413;1396474060;mircea_popescu;this one's for moiety : http://25.media.tumblr.com/80bc3ec4c57cfc2e146892d57b5e83a1/tumblr_mkm81qiJRT1rmcr76o1_1280.jpg
600414;1396474070;bounce;You are the unexpected inquisition and I claim my comfy chair, thanks.
600415;1396474165;moiety;yay hollandish outings! nice windmill mircea_popescu :P
600416;1396474190;thestringpuller;;;google site:trilema.com airgap
600417;1396474192;gribble;How to airgap. A practical guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide>; Why I suspect Schneier is an US agent. pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-suspect-schneier-is-an-us-agent/>; Octombrie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/10>
600418;1396474196;moiety;this one is for punkman: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7082531328/hE69CD758/
600419;1396474212;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: how much must we pay for a "production guide" ?
600420;1396474241;moiety;why do i live in scotland and not holland? seriously
600421;1396474260;bounce;because you don't like genever
600422;1396474315;punkman;this is for people who want to start an "exchange": http://i.imgur.com/5C8zhB5.jpg
600423;1396474330;moiety;bounce: i believe i would though
600424;1396474334;KRS-One;heh
600425;1396474625;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller a production guide ?
600426;1396474677;mircea_popescu;aww poor happy, has to wear freezer bag shoes now ;/
600427;1396474774;moiety;lol http://i.imgur.com/3CILnz4.jpg
600428;1396474777;mircea_popescu;cads: hey guys, where should I learn marketing? << for srsly.
600429;1396474780;moiety;ok i promise to refrain
600430;1396474812;cads;mircea_popescu: I have all the marketing acumen of an aspergers kid.
600431;1396474840;cads;note how the idea that I compile a list of companies that might need my services and cold call them was like this huge epiphany for me :)
600432;1396474842;mircea_popescu;it shows. but srsly, it's a pretty large topic.
600433;1396474848;mircea_popescu;what are you doing even ? saas ?
600434;1396474864;cads;prototyping as a service
600435;1396474875;mircea_popescu;you don't coldcall something like that.
600436;1396474884;mircea_popescu;you ask your previous custom to refer new custom.
600437;1396474902;mircea_popescu;"Hey, we're looking to expand, can you think of anyone who could use our services ?"
600438;1396474927;ThickAsThieves;[ATC Mined]  ATC Mined (to date): 13019648  Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456  % Mined of Total: 4.85
600439;1396474953;mircea_popescu;check that out, ThickAsThieves finally figured how to run a client for atc :D
600440;1396474958;ThickAsThieves;not me
600441;1396474962;mircea_popescu;a ok
600442;1396474965;ThickAsThieves;in #altcoin
600443;1396474970;ThickAsThieves;they ar emaking atc bot stuffs
600444;1396474990;mircea_popescu;cool!
600445;1396475017;mircea_popescu;i'm kinda curious what happens should cads coldcall some random doods and then proceed to "get someone medium level on the phone and then explain something like"
600446;1396475031;ThickAsThieves;hehe
600447;1396475032;mircea_popescu;should be a webcast. i'm sorry i said anytihing even.
600448;1396475037;ThickAsThieves;referrals are best
600449;1396475052;ThickAsThieves;if you wanna reach out, find the most appropriate venues
600450;1396475056;ThickAsThieves;(not the phone)
600451;1396475064;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 what decent size budget when his entire line is like 20k a year ?
600452;1396475069;mircea_popescu;that's basically...steaks.
600453;1396475099;punkman;cads, you get my pm?
600454;1396475108;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves incidentally, best fun i ever had in boston was the day i decided ima coldcall small publishers for my book.
600455;1396475137;mircea_popescu;turns out buncha eager shaved beavers work for low end publishing houses in 2000s boston. i ended up with many new friends.
600456;1396475141;cads;mircea_popescu: I'm thinking it'll be fun
600457;1396475167;cads;oh hey, yeah
600458;1396475177;ThickAsThieves;finding a book publisher isnt easy, so i can see phone calling being a method of you dont have connections
600459;1396475177;cads;I could always seduce the secretaries as I went along
600460;1396475179;mircea_popescu;cads only if you're the sort of type that enjoys failing in a humiliating manner
600461;1396475186;mircea_popescu;which you only actually comprehend months after the event.
600462;1396475188;ThickAsThieves;finding a book PRINTER aint much easier
600463;1396475197;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i didn't phonecall. i inperson called.
600464;1396475198;cads;mircea_popescu: welcome to my life!
600465;1396475201;ThickAsThieves;ah
600466;1396475270;ThickAsThieves;Google Apps is trying so hard to purge their grandfathered free users
600467;1396475278;mircea_popescu;and secretaries you don't seduce. they're always busy at work.
600468;1396475284;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.06539228 = 0.9155 BTC [-] {3} 
600469;1396475290;ThickAsThieves;in a couple weeks i'll surely have former clients calling me
600470;1396475296;mircea_popescu;5th wheel intern-ish girlies without clear responsibilities, which'd be the ones answering to a call like that, those you can seduce.
600471;1396475304;cads;really I know if we just go to a trade show and knock some people unconscious with our sturdy ass prototypes, we'll come away with at least people we can talk to without 99.999% failure
600472;1396475308;mircea_popescu;the rough equivalent being the it corp dudes that go to check out the babes at it conferences.
600473;1396475322;mircea_popescu;http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/13/booth-babes-dont-convert/
600474;1396475323;ozbot;Booth Babes Don’t Work  |  TechCrunch
600475;1396475326;mircea_popescu;that guy rants about them.
600476;1396475341;mircea_popescu;course in typical nerd fashion he misrepresents what happened, but hey.
600477;1396475352;ThickAsThieves;they should try booth whores
600478;1396475356;ThickAsThieves;might work better
600479;1396475364;cads;blah I'm going to read that article by extrapolating it from its title
600480;1396475387;cads;nice article, doesn't surprise me
600481;1396475400;mircea_popescu;that's because you equally don't have a clue :)
600482;1396475456;cads;yeah my conference experience is limited to math conferences
600483;1396475475;ThickAsThieves;most conferences are scams
600484;1396475482;cads;where 90% of the crowd would probably kill to have booth babes
600485;1396475495;mircea_popescu;lmao
600486;1396475499;mircea_popescu;so why not get some booth babes ?
600487;1396475510;ThickAsThieves;who will talk to them to hire them?
600488;1396475511;mircea_popescu;how hard can it fucking be, freakin campuses.
600489;1396475516;mircea_popescu;o that. myeah.
600490;1396475535;mircea_popescu;"you" can have a girl hang around the whole day for the cost of two beers, except not YOU.
600491;1396475549;cads;lol, maybe a student organized math conference with cute undegrad booth babes is in order
600492;1396475584;mircea_popescu;cads do this as a power play. it's what i'd do if i were somehow inexplicably interested in math academia.
600493;1396475592;cads;the AMA and university bodies and others that organize math conferences tend to be way to conservative to take that as anything other than a joke
600494;1396475606;mircea_popescu;get the hottest 12 chicks to boothbabe topless, only invite to present those professors who you owe favours to.
600495;1396475616;mircea_popescu;kick out the dinosaurs, humiliatingly so.
600496;1396475624;mircea_popescu;before you know it, you now control peer review in your field.
600497;1396475661;mircea_popescu;basically, always and everywhere take THEM as the joke, see how long they last.
600498;1396475674;mircea_popescu;not that hard rly.
600499;1396475706;cads;I'd be known as that mathematician that hasn't done any actual math, but has a harem of booth babes and has pushed forward the field into the next millenium.
600500;1396475715;mircea_popescu;sound familiar ? :D
600501;1396475745;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: yea how would one use airgapping in production?
600502;1396475770;thestringpuller;would be a neat guide since I have yet to find a way to do it practically for something in production
600503;1396475771;cads;Other mathematicians that would publish with me would eventually measure themselves according to their Cads number.
600504;1396475776;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller well that general question has been answered in the general as best it could on the post man.
600505;1396475784;mike_c;how can i airgap my web server?
600506;1396475790;mircea_popescu;to actually implement it you hire someone to do it you know ?
600507;1396475805;mircea_popescu;you're asking "so how do i build my house". well... hire an architect ?
600508;1396475807;cads;the cads number - the number of times you've come up with a math breakthrough while recieving fellatio from one of my booth babes
600509;1396475834;mircea_popescu;cads to quote diogenes,  if only it were that easy.
600510;1396475839;thestringpuller;I'm more asking "how do I learn to build a house" don't say "stay in schoo"
600511;1396475852;mircea_popescu;well what would i say ;/
600512;1396475863;thestringpuller;:D
600513;1396475916;cads;airgapping bothers me, but the way I'd use it is as a fully offline reference system
600514;1396475940;mircea_popescu;but the man doth have a point. i find it shocking that us pretend-academia will offer "women's studies" shit about that twerking girl, but there's no actual airgapping programme anywhere.
600515;1396475949;cads;systems goes online once in its life to acquire the required reference materials, and then gets all its wireless adaptors removed
600516;1396475955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0444 = 0.222 BTC [+]
600517;1396475970;mircea_popescu;cads that's airbandaided.
600518;1396475988;thestringpuller;how else would the college derp get laid without a women studies class?
600519;1396476013;bounce;"arrange things such that sensitive stuff is offline as much as possible"
600520;1396476022;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves:hourly from the get-go just doesnt work << it does work in some fields. lawyers are the typical usecase, but also many high-demand few specialist engineering fields. you pay the hourly rate to qualify yourself as an actual customer
600521;1396476027;mircea_popescu;rather than random schmoe bored online.
600522;1396476030;bounce;some jugging around with public key crypto goes a ways there
600523;1396476034;cads;mircea_popescu: I know there's a military handbook that describes design of airgapped systems (the red/black system design philosophy)
600524;1396476042;mircea_popescu;cads sure.
600525;1396476075;cads;such a traditional system might still use punch cards to transfer data from the black to the red system
600526;1396476130;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves:trying to "play" it to what you think the client will accept << what the fuck self-sabotaging second guessing bullshit is this, seriously! bejaysus.
600527;1396476158;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/cum-iti-negociezi-salariul/
600528;1396476163;mircea_popescu;this should be translated to english
600529;1396476192;bounce;depends. if you do an automated transcription of ethernet frames to punch tape and back again, you don't really have an air gap. just like putting a wireless hop in the network to have an "air gap" doesn't really work.
600530;1396476202;mircea_popescu;^
600531;1396476271;bounce;ISTR the cacert people had a description up of how they did it: serial cable to the box with the signing key and a custom protocol that only understood signing requests and returned signed certificates, no other connection to anything whatsoever.
600532;1396476297;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/
600533;1396476301;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before June
600534;1396476306;mircea_popescu;there's no way this is right
600535;1396476307;bounce;that still depends on the front making intelligent decisions as to what to sign, but, you know...
600536;1396476310;ThickAsThieves;the self-sabotaging of that nature probly is an american cultural thingy
600537;1396476331;ThickAsThieves;customer always right, every service person is your bitch
600538;1396476334;ThickAsThieves;stuff like that
600539;1396476353;ThickAsThieves;yes hourly does indeed work out fine in higher-paying fields
600540;1396476380;ThickAsThieves;but i do question why it is more accepted, other than people are more loose with their money
600541;1396476394;ThickAsThieves;even lawyers want a retainer anyway
600542;1396476397;ThickAsThieves;not THAT different
600543;1396476397;mircea_popescu;because you have to establish yourself to the provider, not the other way around.
600544;1396476397;cads;bounce: hum, I'd like to read that document
600545;1396476417;bounce;been years since I'd seen it. probably somewhere up at cacert.org
600546;1396476434;mircea_popescu;fast food chains compete for customers. rich people compete for seats at the hot club.
600547;1396476438;ThickAsThieves;yes but ive never felt more cheesed for my hourly payout than with a lawyer
600548;1396476441;mircea_popescu;ever saw those queues in front of major clubs ?
600549;1396476444;cads;what I recall was that these punched cards were transfered over by humans, but I remember nothing of how they'd use that to prevent arbitrary content from entering the red system
600550;1396476459;ThickAsThieves;my last one still hasnt sent an invoice of any kind, after many requests
600551;1396476470;ThickAsThieves;but was quick to tell me the retainer was up
600552;1396476473;ThickAsThieves;and that i owed
600553;1396476480;cads;my source material is probably the wikipedia article on the military design document I mentioned earlier, instead of the actual document
600554;1396476482;ThickAsThieves;nigga wont show me
600555;1396476492;ThickAsThieves;cuz i know he's making it up
600556;1396476504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0646 = 0.1292 BTC [-]
600557;1396476513;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if he's reading this
600558;1396476514;ThickAsThieves;hehe
600559;1396476565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06388734 = 1.5972 BTC [-] {9} 
600560;1396476569;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves sue him.
600561;1396476583;benkay;make him present his derriere before your new lawyer
600562;1396476585;ThickAsThieves;i just might, would be nice to get the damn bill first...
600563;1396476594;mike_c;<mircea_popescu> http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/ << i agree, but a lot of volatility right now.  it could bounce below.
600564;1396476598;ThickAsThieves;google apps is fucking with me for real now
600565;1396476599;mircea_popescu;cads diametric you two should joint or several work out something i can ipo.
600566;1396476614;ThickAsThieves;i already followed their instructions to activate the accounts the wanna shut down
600567;1396476618;mircea_popescu;mike_c considering how it bounced right off 500...
600568;1396476621;ThickAsThieves;and now they say i havent done it yet
600569;1396476626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00094654 = 15.9965 BTC [+] {2} 
600570;1396476629;mircea_popescu;another 25% seems quite outlandish in my head.
600571;1396476655;mike_c;yeah, i hope you are right (i am in on that bet).
600572;1396476657;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves prolly have to move it on punched paper acroiss airgap
600573;1396476685;ThickAsThieves;meh, for tomorrow, for now, off to the rap show!
600574;1396476724;cads;bruce schneir described the airgapping "effort" he was using to research the NSA papers and write the articles reviewing them.
600575;1396476737;mircea_popescu;cads you mean bnc connector ? or is there some diff ?
600576;1396476753;cads;which consisted of a brand new laptop that had never been connected to the internet, and a thumbdrive
600577;1396476776;cads;and... I'm hoping he really did something better than i'm thinking
600578;1396476798;bounce;that means something like linux or a *BSD is Right Out because... those come FROM the internet!!1!
600579;1396476841;moiety;22:47 <mircea_popescu> and secretaries you don't seduce. they're always busy at work. << a good secretary can't be seduced. this is true. however, also means loyalty.
600580;1396476869;cads;actually
600581;1396476871;cads;https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/air_gaps.html
600582;1396476872;ozbot;Schneier on Security: Air Gaps
600583;1396476896;cads;I'm being more pessimistic than necessary - his advice is actually about as decent as you can get
600584;1396476910;cads;for example use read only cdrs to dump data into the machine
600585;1396476939;cads;I don't like that he suggests a usb key, because usb keys have been penetrated before
600586;1396476967;bounce;wipe it and format it on a linux machine
600587;1396476979;bounce;(or anything but a windows machine, really)
600588;1396476982;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-suspect-schneier-is-an-us-agent/ cads mdear.
600589;1396476983;ozbot;Why I suspect Schneier is an US agent. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
600590;1396476986;cads;"Malware can silently write data to a USB stick, but it can't spin the CD-R up to 1000 rpm without your noticing. "
600591;1396476997;mircea_popescu;that thing is beyond ludicrous.
600592;1396477027;cads;haha, I suspect that too
600593;1396477083;bounce;well, the sentiment is sensible enough: minimise infection vectors, build in barriers and things that might tip you off
600594;1396477094;mircea_popescu;jurov "In this paper we will describe some of the shortcomings and suggest solution"
600595;1396477096;mircea_popescu;needs proofread.
600596;1396477108;bounce;the execution in the context of stupidly complex machinery a bit less so
600597;1396477120;jurov;mircea_popescu: ?
600598;1396477135;mircea_popescu;earlier link ou dropped from your hackathon thing ?
600599;1396477143;cads;mircea_popescu: but what prominent security expert is _not_ under reasonable suspicion of being a government agent?
600600;1396477151;mircea_popescu;plenty.
600601;1396477164;jurov;ah that
600602;1396477181;jurov;http://explo.yt/post/2014/02/26/Bruce-Schneier-passwords-fail my take on his other advice
600603;1396477182;ozbot;Bruce Schneier passwords fail - serialized delusions
600604;1396477212;cads;yeah, I suddenly want to read some more criticisms
600605;1396477271;cads;the suggestions he gives for airgaps would not protect against the kind of measures the NSA is claimed to be able to take
600606;1396477293;mircea_popescu;which is precisely why he makes the sort of cargo cult suggestions he does make.
600607;1396477345;cads;mircea_popescu: what are the odds you put on Snowden himself being a US agent?
600608;1396477372;bounce;wonder how hard it is to TEMPEST-proof a laptop. if a can of metallic paint to the inside of the shell is enough that should be a nice enough niche earner
600609;1396477374;mircea_popescu;nil.
600610;1396477396;mircea_popescu;bounce or make a nice al case :p
600611;1396477404;cads;I think that the capabilities being divulged are too over the top and being divulged in a way engineered to make the vast majority of people accept them.
600612;1396477452;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between snowden and "what the guardian represents".
600613;1396477460;mircea_popescu;were you asking about the latter ?
600614;1396477480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @ 0.0009449 = 37.7488 BTC [-] {2} 
600615;1396477534;cads;snowden's revalations have continued to detail a number of really extensive cyber capabilities that the NSA has
600616;1396477541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1292 @ 0.00094275 = 1.218 BTC [-]
600617;1396477565;cads;including stuff that the media has spun as "the ability to store all the transfers on the internet for a whole 4 day review period"
600618;1396477570;mircea_popescu;did you read the actual leaks
600619;1396477574;cads;no
600620;1396477577;mircea_popescu;or 2nd and 3rd hand commentary by us propaganda sources?
600621;1396477583;mircea_popescu;then what are you talking about.
600622;1396477856;cads;I mean, you're familiar that QUANTUM is allegedly a massive attack and risk mitigation suite with a huge encyclopedia of attacks and expert systems for deploying them. And that other aspects of the tailored access unit have allegedly done such things as pushing backdoors into cryptoprotocols.
600623;1396477957;mircea_popescu;the latter claim is uncontroversial.
600624;1396477971;mircea_popescu;kinda the reason why the rsa corp is going the way of cisco.
600625;1396477983;cads;the way it's being covered just seems suspicios - the technologies are made to sound super duper scary, almost unimaginable, and nobody I've read is writing any serious counterplans
600626;1396478028;cads;and now, even with the revelations, normal people are even _less_ likely to want to imagine their capabilities and how to fight them
600627;1396478040;mircea_popescu;the counterplan is quite obvious : https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/447044579049873408
600628;1396478155;turbo_ac100;;;gpg eregister turbo_ac100 32CCD4DEC831411C
600629;1396478157;gribble;Request successful for user turbo_ac100, hostmask turbo_ac100!~turbo@port-92-206-246-199.dynamic.qsc.de. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/32CCD4DEC831411C
600630;1396478172;BingoBoingo;I wonder if reutereEmily is going to cover the NeoBee fiasco
600631;1396478187;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo she kinda did just disappear huh
600632;1396478194;mircea_popescu;i guess fell down the reading rabbit hole
600633;1396478209;cads;so one hypothesis is that there's a body of people that had this information made up to some extent, at the very least glorifying the capabilities and making them seem starkly unopposeable.
600634;1396478221;cads;Nowhere do we see documents on what the NSA percieved to be a serious threat!
600635;1396478233;cads;what scares the NSA?
600636;1396478240;cads;or the people behind it?
600637;1396478245;cads;it's not in the documents
600638;1396478252;bounce;that with tweets maxing at 160 chars and irc messages at a little more, wouldn't it make sense for ozbot to special-case twitter.com/.../status/... and include the actual tweet?
600639;1396478261;BingoBoingo;Possibly. She has yet to tweet this month, and seemed rather interested in the topic. This reading thing is a hell of a drug
600640;1396478263;cads;maybe the agency doesn't know itself well enough to imagine it has _any_ fears
600641;1396478287;cads;but more likely those documents simply didn't make it into the package snowden has revealed
600642;1396478290;Duffer1;cadswhat scares the NSA? >> any entity that could threaten its funding
600643;1396478322;cads;I think it's reasonable that they would have made study of factors that could legitimately destabilize them, and come up with ways to counter.
600644;1396478326;cads;and where are those studies?
600645;1396478350;cads;I would imagine those would be the first to be released if snowden had them, and was hardcore
600646;1396478382;turbo_ac100;;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b08a40e815e8a29bae955ebfa66c2c032868815a12a6ddf38b15e480
600647;1396478383;gribble;Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user turbo_ac100 with key 32CCD4DEC831411C
600648;1396478385;cads;after building the case that they're fucking everyone, he would have been like "but this. This is what they really don't want you to see"
600649;1396478392;Duffer1;strategies to counter congress likely weren't as available as the rest of snowden's material
600650;1396478449;cads;that's highly likely, and it would be nice if someone acknowledged the documents snowden didn't manage to get
600651;1396478454;mike_c;countering congress is easy. ask j edgar
600652;1396478461;Duffer1;though given clappers' behavior it's not like we even need snowden to know such material exists
600653;1396478477;moiety;BingoBoingo: can we play chess tomorrow or soon? preferrably after you have had a ton of vodka
600654;1396478505;mircea_popescu;bounce this is a good point actually.
600655;1396478532;mircea_popescu;cads snowden was a contractor. he didn't have access to the strategic bundle.
600656;1396478569;BingoBoingo;moiety: Possibly
600657;1396478586;moiety;can anyone explain to me how a self-confessed "indoor cat" like snowden ended up with a model gf? im suspicious of this
600658;1396478601;moiety;possibly is good enough for me :D
600659;1396478747;turbo_ac100;I have a different user ID on the keyserver and eregistered here. Matters?
600660;1396478857;cads;mircea_popescu: also I know you don't like schneier, but for a while he had his "NSA Exploit of the day" that was a near daily analysis of a new exploit from his researches of the leaked documents - here he apparently concludes that with basically saying, I've shown you all these exploits. Now we need to come up with ways to defend against them because not only the NSA will use them, but also criminals and other countries
600661;1396478898;asciilifeform;cads: are you familiar with the 'two NSAs' hypothesis?
600662;1396478899;bounce;"criminals and other countries"
600663;1396478966;cads;more recently he covered something called MYSTIC, which is a system that can "record 100% of a nation's phone calls"
600664;1396479016;asciilifeform;phone should be regarded as something like plaintext email.
600665;1396479017;cads;it's kinda like he's playing some kind of theatre, dazzling and shocking us with these capabilities, then here and there dropping a paragraph about how we should do something against them
600666;1396479027;mircea_popescu;moiety i never saw his gf. pix ?
600667;1396479036;cads;never suggesting anything against it
600668;1396479040;mircea_popescu;turbo_ac100 not particularly.
600669;1396479080;mircea_popescu;cads wait, you doubting 100% of all plaintext phonecalls are being recorded ?
600670;1396479104;cads;no, not at all
600671;1396479114;mircea_popescu;i dun follow your argument then
600672;1396479132;bounce;too bad cryptophones et al are still too spendy
600673;1396479173;moiety;mircea_popescu: http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Lindsay-mills-cupcakes.jpg
600674;1396479175;turbo_ac100;kakobrekla: make my day :)!
600675;1396479183;cads;mircea_popescu: if he's an agent why talk about these capabilities? To brag. And more importantly to mislead and misinform.
600676;1396479205;moiety;http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/v8Ia1C08LqY/hqdefault.jpg
600677;1396479220;moiety;now explain how he met her?!
600678;1396479247;moiety;http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8510/8520081840_cabe3ee1f4_z.jpg?from=http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8510/8520081840_cabe3ee1f4_z.jpg
600679;1396479249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14008 @ 0.00094256 = 13.2034 BTC [-]
600680;1396479276;cads;when he covers a larger new outlet's story on the revelation of a new capability, he's always pointing out the technical ways in which the capabilities go further than the article explains
600681;1396479352;bounce;journos are not great at this tech thing
600682;1396479357;cads;so possibly he's doing us a favor by explaining the capabilities in more complete way
600683;1396479388;cads;even if he was an agent he could be reporting faithfully
600684;1396479407;cads;especially if someone else knows it's cooked up documents anyways
600685;1396479432;mircea_popescu;moiety she's not THAT hot is she ?
600686;1396479454;mircea_popescu;bounce maybe with s.nsa...
600687;1396479460;cads;everyone knows they're recording the phone calls, now everyone believes that they can only keep the phone calls for a month, that the program to do it is called MYSTIC, and that it hasn't been used against the US
600688;1396479480;cads;two of those three are probably false  :D
600689;1396479485;mircea_popescu;moiety anyway, smart chicks dig famous underdogs.
600690;1396479503;mircea_popescu;cads he's just a random has-been talking about the topic of the moment, imo.
600691;1396479507;moiety;mircea_popescu: no but still, how did they meet? and she did know about what e was going to do, they left their home in may.
600692;1396479508;mircea_popescu;not much more not much less.
600693;1396479510;bounce;one of the reasons I bought a nokia e52 was because there was cryptophone source available that was supposed to work on that thing
600694;1396479519;bounce;then reality hit.
600695;1396479539;*;moiety has looked into  es a lot
600696;1396479543;mircea_popescu;es ?
600697;1396479547;skinnkavaj;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=554902.0
600698;1396479548;ozbot;Why coinmarketcap.com got destroyed
600699;1396479557;moiety;edward snowden
600700;1396479564;wutwhutwut;http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/
600701;1396479565;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before June
600702;1396479579;mircea_popescu;skinnkavaj more like "because they fucked up a bitbet."
600703;1396479588;mircea_popescu;"then got banned by bitbet, then curtains."
600704;1396479615;mircea_popescu;moiety i imagine cupcake mantits met snowden the same way you met BingoBoingo
600705;1396479625;skinnkavaj;Stop trolling
600706;1396479630;mircea_popescu;not to imply anything about either your bra filling abilities or his bar hopping skills.
600707;1396479636;mircea_popescu;skinnkavaj i'm not trolling yo.
600708;1396479654;moiety;i dont even know how i ended up on that site. but im glad i met BingoBoingo
600709;1396479681;cads;anyways mircea_popescu I'm glad my argument for heavily doctored NSA papers is not strong. I saw similar arguments claiming the pentagon papers were exactly what the higher ups wanted released, nothing more, nothing less, and those arguments seem cranky
600710;1396479771;mircea_popescu;first line of damage control.
600711;1396479779;mircea_popescu;not so far off from claiming neobee floundered because mpex.
600712;1396479847;bounce;it's a valid concern, though. spy shops must be masters of misinformation.
600713;1396479922;cads;"obviously the corporate leaks were not done by the CEO"  "But he's gotten great publicity!"  "he's going to spend his life in jail"  "yeah but he'll be a mover/shaker in the real world via his letters"  "he hanged himself last night" "yeah but this was all of his plan so that now he can laugh at us and manipulate the stock market from Hell"
600714;1396479924;mircea_popescu;nsa is not a spy shop tho.
600715;1396479939;mircea_popescu;the us made the mistaken strategic decision to move from humint to sigint at the end of the cold war.
600716;1396479950;bounce;at the same time I find it hard to see what this leak could possibly achieve being misinformation. what would they steer us away from and how massive would that have to be?
600717;1396479959;mircea_popescu;the us humint was never any good, even at the height of the cold war they were more of a laughingstoc operationally,
600718;1396479972;mircea_popescu;rthe only difference betweenthem and the french being that the french had no money, either.
600719;1396479976;bounce;they're not a human spy shop, no. they do deal in information and so also in misinformation.
600720;1396479995;mircea_popescu;so basically think fat kid that's allowed in the sikrit fraternity because he lets everyone borrow the stuff his rich parents buy him
600721;1396480025;mircea_popescu;anyway : meanwhile things have deteriorated, and the us "spyshop" doesn't even count. it's in there in the 3rld world, between congo and indonesia or something
600722;1396480036;bounce;that more or less defines the us int'l relations, spyish or otherwise
600723;1396480049;mircea_popescu;i guess.
600724;1396480066;mircea_popescu;generally diplomacy by and large goes the way of spyshop-y.
600725;1396480169;cads;is it really hard to believe that they'd reveal some version of their capabilities knowing that fear and uncertainty would actually legitimize those practices?
600726;1396480193;bounce;I forget whose documentary it was where some cia operative went "well we just have to step into all these messes you lot (==all the world) keep on being in" -- meaning it seriously and conveniently turning a blind eye to the glaring fact it's the us, more specifically the cia, that's been busy causing the messes in the first place
600727;1396480194;mircea_popescu;cads this sort of thinking is fed by watching movies and faping on reddit.
600728;1396480217;mircea_popescu;on the actual ground, the us has serious problems hiring people who don't spend most of their time wondering if "deep down" theyt're really women or not.
600729;1396480226;mircea_popescu;shit bullet as asciilifeform;d say.
600730;1396480245;cads;mircea_popescu: touche
600731;1396480263;mircea_popescu;also, sargent is not allowed to beat recruits
600732;1396480279;mircea_popescu;i have no idea how you imagine someone with the capability of running an actual spyshop could be lured to work for the us
600733;1396480287;mircea_popescu;when there's so many so very much better offers o nthe table.
600734;1396480307;bounce;the us fan club named nato and the inner "five eyes" circle keeps on fapping on all that wonderful computer-y stuff nsa and gchq must shirley have
600735;1396480320;mircea_popescu;you know, brain surgeon ain't likely to work for the cockroach infested hospital. because he prefers working with people he respects,
600736;1396480329;mircea_popescu;and who respect themselves enough not to live in the cockroach trap.
600737;1396480366;moiety;lol shit bullet is a new one on me
600738;1396480384;bounce;so who's got good or at least respectable humint going on these days?
600739;1396480457;mircea_popescu;china russia israel korea brazil more or less in order
600740;1396480561;bounce;not a european country among them. huh.
600741;1396480563;mike_c;um, which korea?
600742;1396480575;mircea_popescu;bounce watch the influence spheres move as a result.
600743;1396480581;mircea_popescu;mike_c the 2nd best one :p
600744;1396480591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.062009 = 0.124 BTC [-]
600745;1396480592;cads;south?
600746;1396480597;cazalla;north korea is best korea
600747;1396480613;cads;their emperor is a God!
600748;1396480636;mike_c;north korea isn't good at anything except extorting money from the us.
600749;1396480646;bounce;not sure if it's a cause or an effect, but the shifting is happening, yes
600750;1396480650;mircea_popescu;and inventing hairdos
600751;1396480662;cads;and their economy is so productive.
600752;1396480666;mike_c;and applying makeup to their soldiers
600753;1396480672;mircea_popescu;mike_c you seen that pic ?
600754;1396480674;bounce;didn't they run their own usd presses?
600755;1396480677;mike_c;yeah :)
600756;1396480681;cads;lol
600757;1396480698;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/hair-the-musical/ epic fucking shit.
600758;1396480698;ozbot;Hair, the musical pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
600759;1396480724;mike_c;their faces would glow in the dark
600760;1396480840;asciilifeform;the interesting thing is that nsa-as-we-know-it, but with a pill against modern crypto hidden in an 'indiana jones'-style vault, would scarcely be distinguishable from what we can now see
600761;1396480853;asciilifeform;see winston churchill and the demolition of coventry.
600762;1396480873;asciilifeform;it's a pill that would be kept in reserve for some unspecified 'dire times' that never come - as nukes are
600763;1396480893;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and the average cunt with a hidden angler fish right under the flesh would be also indistinguishable from the average cunt.
600764;1396480894;asciilifeform;because you can only really use it once.
600765;1396480896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00094718 = 2.4627 BTC [+]
600766;1396480932;mircea_popescu;there's a romaina guy that did extensive "research" on this topic, his name was lucian blaga
600767;1396480956;mircea_popescu;one of his lines is meanwhile common cultural cliche in romanian, "sa nu strivim corola the minuni a lumii"
600768;1396480957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00094653 = 20.1611 BTC [-] {2} 
600769;1396480972;mircea_popescu;something like "let us not dispell the world's corolla of wonder"
600770;1396480984;asciilifeform;lol
600771;1396480998;asciilifeform;which topic? cunt cum angler-fish?
600772;1396480998;mircea_popescu;it's mostly used derrisively to bother anticultural and antiintellectual lines
600773;1396481011;mircea_popescu;(who aren't likely to get the reference or have read the guy's work)
600774;1396481018;mircea_popescu;no, he was a philosopher, theory of knowledge.
600775;1396481043;cads;asciilifeform: is that the "two NSAs hypothesis"?
600776;1396481045;mircea_popescu;1956 nobel prize nominee etc
600777;1396481064;mircea_popescu;(communists protested the nomination)
600778;1396481072;asciilifeform;cads: the two-nsa hypothesis is that the americans have a stable of folks with brains squirreled away somewhere
600779;1396481095;asciilifeform;it's mostly a product of my diseased imagination, but has some grounding in soviet history
600780;1396481116;cads;... err, "squirreled away"?
600781;1396481123;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually, is there anything in russian by the guy ?
600782;1396481128;asciilifeform;nsa writes crapware for winblows, 'meta-nsa' then would do something interesting.
600783;1396481153;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rezun (pseudonym suvorov) and his histories of gru, which he ran away from
600784;1396481154;cads;this would be the "strategic level" that mircea_popescu alluded to
600785;1396481163;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i mean by lucian blaga
600786;1396481172;asciilifeform;not that i know of
600787;1396481175;mircea_popescu;i can't conveniently search for the shit, no good kbd
600788;1396481180;cads;ie, we just saw leaks from the software development department
600789;1396481190;cads;we didn't see leaks from the operations and strategy department
600790;1396481221;asciilifeform;cads: likewise no leaks from the math farms.
600791;1396481229;cads;right!
600792;1396481235;mircea_popescu;there's a german Peter Sragher version which is pretty decent. but otherwise the guy seems an incredibly well kept secret. funny how that works.
600793;1396481253;asciilifeform;these people claim (not entirely implausible) to be the largest employer of math phd types in the usa
600794;1396481272;asciilifeform;what, if anything, they have to show for it, is another matter
600795;1396481273;mircea_popescu;well, academia is hte largest, but ohter than that as a single entity, i believe it.
600796;1396481304;cads;all those mathematicians and they're still a laughingstock to mircea_popescu
600797;1396481334;mircea_popescu;http://www.amazon.co.uk/Die-luziferische-Erkenntnis-Lucian-Blaga/dp/3643504055
600798;1396481340;asciilifeform;personally i've no evidence in favour or against the 'they've got the pill and are sitting on it' hypothesis
600799;1396481345;cads;I seriously doubt either of the koreas have higher technical capalities
600800;1396481346;ozbot;Die luziferische Erkenntnis: Amazon.co.uk: Lucian Blaga, Rainer Schubert: Books
600801;1396481349;mircea_popescu;cads understand that a spyshop is not math kids.
600802;1396481367;mircea_popescu;if you were a party organiser and all you had to show me were math wallflowers i'd equally point and laugh at you.
600803;1396481369;turbo_ac100;;;later tell kakobrekla im turbo_ac100 on otc now.
600804;1396481369;gribble;The operation succeeded.
600805;1396481389;mircea_popescu;technical capabilities are not the question.
600806;1396481395;cads;free as the north one is to grant the humint operators the latitude needed to implement every single tactic from their  wet dreams
600807;1396481408;mircea_popescu;zee germanz had much better "technical capabilities" than their intellectual, strategic and ultimately human capabilities.
600808;1396481420;mircea_popescu;what do you think sunk hitler, technological inferiority ? puhleaze.
600809;1396481447;mircea_popescu;cads that's nonsense, the north korea is much less free than the average. in fact, about as unfree as the us.
600810;1396481456;mircea_popescu;if you actually bother looking at the facts, the two regimes are scarcely different.
600811;1396481463;cads;haha, all I know about what sunk the germans I learned from a fictional account of breaking the Enigma machine
600812;1396481478;cads;ie, fiction - apparently we were dycyphering everything
600813;1396481496;cads;but using it in a way such that they could not deduce that we were decyphering everything
600814;1396481501;bounce;the germans had some good cryptologists too. funny how you never hear about them.
600815;1396481502;cads;maybe that happened during part of it
600816;1396481510;cads;yeah
600817;1396481524;cads;I can't imagine we didn't enjoy the exact same treatment
600818;1396481524;mircea_popescu;bounce you know how wikipedia-history based on press-narratives works.
600819;1396481547;cads;haha, the book I refer to was neal stephenson's cryptonomicon
600820;1396481548;cads;soooo
600821;1396481560;cads;I'm not even /claiming/ any kind of historical knowledge :)
600822;1396481571;asciilifeform;anyone who had the misfortune of attending u.s. schools is in for a little mindfuck - the evidence that sk (at the behest of its puppeteer across the ocean) started the korean war is, imho, convincing.
600823;1396481573;mircea_popescu;well i wasn't talking of you strictly :[
600824;1396481575;mircea_popescu;:p*
600825;1396481578;cads;usually I'm less clueless than that but I'll at least not argue based on it :)
600826;1396481587;bounce;esp. going on the end they also put a lot of faith in "wonder weapons", "victory weapons", and such. bit of a parallel with the US, that
600827;1396481608;mircea_popescu;bounce dreaming is the last refuge of the defeated. you know who else did it ?
600828;1396481619;mircea_popescu;the paleologoi. christ himself, you see, was going to come lift the siege.
600829;1396481619;asciilifeform;i'll take the liberty of translating the russian expression for these - 'wonderwaffles'
600830;1396481632;asciilifeform;('wunderwaffe' original)
600831;1396481642;mircea_popescu;waffe doesn't mean waffle lmao
600832;1396481649;asciilifeform;naturally.
600833;1396481656;mircea_popescu;Der Wafflen SS!
600834;1396481678;asciilifeform;it's a derisive poke
600835;1396481679;mircea_popescu;god help you if you bring any outside syrups
600836;1396481696;bounce;you know, it's not even so much wikipedia as some good old fashioned propaganda that put bletchley park on such a socket
600837;1396481712;asciilifeform;'вундервафл�'
600838;1396481727;bounce;could be something to do with the shameful treatment of turing, too, though. (including the recent "rehabilitation" thing)
600839;1396481736;mircea_popescu;bounce i'd say it's uncontroversial that they did a lot of very good work. the problem with the propapress -> wikipedia -> reddit machine oif nonthink is that it flattens alternatives
600840;1396481746;cads;bounce: yeah, now I wonder about the enemy's opposing cryptoparks
600841;1396481747;mircea_popescu;very totalitarian system. soon enouhg ALL THERE IS is X topic.
600842;1396481769;bounce;they did do a lot of good work, but they certainly weren't the only ones
600843;1396481773;cads;bounce: and whether they had attacks against our techs
600844;1396481774;mircea_popescu;exactly.
600845;1396481782;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/search?q=вундервафл�&source=lnms&tbm=isch
600846;1396481786;cads;I'm sure they did but I've heard nary a one
600847;1396481872;bounce;paleologoi doesn't light a bulb nor produces comprehensible search results. colour me uninformed.
600848;1396481896;cads;dat moment when you realize you suddenly need to know a lot more about what was going in and around some historical event.
600849;1396481916;cads;bounce: I think that was his point
600850;1396482299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00094753 = 21.1299 BTC [+] {2} 
600851;1396482556;asciilifeform;handbook that describes design of airgapped systems (the red/black system design philosophy) << read the crap. red/black has nothing to do with airgaps, for the most part.
600852;1396482586;asciilifeform;it is mainly about separating wiring for 'red' (plaintext that must not leave) and 'black' ciphertext that can go outside the walls
600853;1396482595;asciilifeform;incl. power supplies
600854;1396482622;asciilifeform;everyone's seen the photos of the general sitting next to two keyboards, two monitors, etc.
600855;1396482647;asciilifeform;but this is not mandatory - there are plenty of gadgets with 'red' and 'black' connectors on one panel
600856;1396482656;asciilifeform;(trivial example: anything that enciphers/deciphers)
600857;1396482726;asciilifeform;now, these gadgets are blessed by a priest, sprinkled with holy water before deployment, etc.
600858;1396482744;asciilifeform;whether this has anything to do with practical security is a puzzle for students of u.s. bureaucracy.
600859;1396482803;asciilifeform;usb keys have been penetrated before << this refers to various experiments where you re-flash the microcontroller inside a usb drive, to do various useful things.
600860;1396482843;asciilifeform;i've tried this personally - it works. (you need a drive for which either docs or some reverse-engineerable flash diddler from the factory are available.)
600861;1396482848;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05600001 = 0.28 BTC [-]
600862;1396482867;bounce;not just that. there's been cases where the gold key image had some virus or other, causing $largenum of usb keys to ship that way from factory
600863;1396482894;mike_c;no reason cardano wouldn't be susceptible to that is there?
600864;1396482902;asciilifeform;and then there's the winblows-specific crap, which i regard as uninteresting:
600865;1396482902;asciilifeform;http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/plug-and-prey-malicious-usb-devices
600866;1396482904;ozbot;Plug and Prey: Malicious USB Devices
600867;1396482943;asciilifeform;mike_c: cardano emulates a usb drive, when connected to pc.
600868;1396482954;mircea_popescu;it's not actually reflashable is it ?
600869;1396482963;asciilifeform;not from usb.
600870;1396482983;asciilifeform;but it is worth pointing out that many, if not most, usb gadgets - are.
600871;1396483016;asciilifeform;incidentally, this is one of the reasons it took me so long to find an appropriate micro for cardano
600872;1396483025;bounce;do cheap usb keys do any wear leveling, like ssds do?
600873;1396483028;asciilifeform;most of the available ones are designed to be reflashed via usb
600874;1396483040;mircea_popescu;myeah
600875;1396483041;asciilifeform;bounce: they do.
600876;1396483124;bounce;the keys I have here are all well before the large leaps around the time of the barefoot controller. perhaps should replace a few. then again, I'd get inferior flash.
600877;1396483153;asciilifeform;generally, the newer the 'flash', the more threadbare the actual eeprom cells
600878;1396483171;asciilifeform;in the sense that a recent 'ssd' would barely last a few thousand write cycles without leveling.
600879;1396483189;bounce;right. so ideally would want a new controller with old chips
600880;1396483190;asciilifeform;this subject has been beaten to death in engineering literature
600881;1396483238;bounce;dunno. 40 nm slc or something.
600882;1396483254;bounce;(notice how the industry counts: single. multi. triple.)
600883;1396483257;asciilifeform;re: usb: it is important to remember that using winblows is a strictly voluntary surrender.
600884;1396483274;bounce;the volunteers tend to not see it that way
600885;1396483278;asciilifeform;anyone who does, and uses an external drive that faithfully stores bits (no micro diddling) is vulnerable to a world of fun
600886;1396483284;asciilifeform;e.g. icon parser overflows, etc.
600887;1396483356;asciilifeform;cardano uses a micro-sd card for storage, and assumes that said card was built by the devil
600888;1396483366;asciilifeform;so the card only sees crypted blocks.
600889;1396483373;asciilifeform;and never a key
600890;1396483406;asciilifeform;(lives on its own bus, too. because basic literacy.)
600891;1396483457;bounce;huh, since today ze wifi developed a habit of cutting all live connections every hour or so. possibly the isp did an "upgrade", they pulled that before, with similar effects. oh the joys of CPEs, even brand name issue ("cisco" here)
600892;1396483483;asciilifeform;bounce: you're using a router supplied by other people ?!
600893;1396483508;bounce;I'm not (directly) paying for the connection either
600894;1396483521;asciilifeform;there are dumb isps where i live, that want you to use their router. most of them are easily dealt with (MAC spoof)
600895;1396483608;bounce;were it up to me I'd separate out the docsis3 part into a standalone thingy and do the rest elsewhere.
600896;1396483645;asciilifeform;buy a generic docsis modem, reflash the addr, problem solved.
600897;1396483690;bounce;can't do that in this situation though. I suppose I could at least separate out ze wifi with an extra box.
600898;1396483731;bounce;the important stuff is all on wire that that doesn't seem to suffer
600899;1396483922;bounce;lot of docsis2 kit floating around fer cheapers, docsis3 not so much
600900;1396484251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00094785 = 17.0139 BTC [+]
600901;1396484800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00094797 = 9.0057 BTC [+] {2} 
600902;1396485090;mike_c;for you 3d printing nerds:
600903;1396485092;mike_c;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WWHpWgaq7I
600904;1396485092;ozbot;Taste Testing 3D-Printed Food - YouTube
600905;1396485280;moiety;i heard 3d printing
600906;1396485310;mike_c;3d print your candy
600907;1396485510;moiety;mike_c: thats epic, thanks for shairing... i would make a million of the rainbow cube thingys
600908;1396485534;mike_c;interlocking candy is pretty cool
600909;1396485576;moiety;only <$5k!
600910;1396485579;moiety;o.o
600911;1396485633;moiety;though, thats epic personalised presents for the rest of your days
600912;1396485708;moiety;i wonder if it could do interlocking tablet
600913;1396485930;MisterE;orning
600914;1396485933;MisterE;morning
600915;1396485957;MisterE;;;ticker --market huobi
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600917;1396485959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0449 = 0.1796 BTC [+]
600918;1396485998;MisterE;;;ticker --market all
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600920;1396486273;moiety;morning MisterE :)
600921;1396486511;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
600922;1396486512;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 428.41, Best ask: 429.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.91000, Last trade: 429.33, 24 hour volume: 36275.95162166, 24 hour low: 425.53, 24 hour high: 494.98, 24 hour vwap: 455.536355556
600923;1396486537;mircea_popescu;urgently need moar drama to prop up exchange rate
600924;1396486538;mircea_popescu;and lulz
600925;1396486569;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.056 = 0.28 BTC [-] {2} 
600926;1396486618;MisterE;lel
600927;1396486633;BingoBoingo;NeoBee branches full of AIDs needles?
600928;1396486667;mircea_popescu;moar like bitpay steps in to rescue coinbase which steps in to rescue kraken which steps in to rescue neobee which steps in to rescue i forget what
600929;1396486680;cazalla;imagine explaining this one when you're older http://i.imgur.com/ZcCxcwC.png
600930;1396486716;mircea_popescu;cazalla im not so sure there exist any tattoo on any twentysomething that could be explained by a 50 something
600931;1396486732;cazalla;neobeo stepped in to rescue weex remember
600932;1396486861;mircea_popescu;o right
600933;1396486877;mircea_popescu;because teh ceo had personal funds there.
600934;1396486883;mircea_popescu;very good way to run corps.
600935;1396487313;Duffer1;wait waaht
600936;1396487344;Duffer1;first lawl tattoo
600937;1396487352;Duffer1;second someone had money in weex?
600938;1396487391;Duffer1;nm why am i surprised
600939;1396487545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0564 = 0.1692 BTC [+]
600940;1396487828;moiety;omg my eyes burn at thattattoo mircea_popescu
600941;1396488094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5314 @ 0.00094474 = 5.0203 BTC [-]
600942;1396488125;moiety;ffs.. i had to look, and yes someone has done it. http://futurefashionstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Pallas-Cat-Riding-a-Fox-15-Top-Cat-Tattoo.jpg
600943;1396488296;moiety;asciilifeform: i have a manul i cant read! its in russian i think
600944;1396489322;asciilifeform;moiety: ?
600945;1396489355;moiety;asciilifeform: this one http://i.imgur.com/5tUUa.jpg
600946;1396489383;asciilifeform;moiety: 'Pet the cat.' under: 'Pet the cat, bitch'
600947;1396489401;dignork;moiety, I had this as wallpaper on my desktop pc :)
600948;1396489411;moiety;lolol thank you very much asciilifeform!
600949;1396489466;moiety;dignork: heres mine http://i.imgur.com/8RGgUEd.png :D
600950;1396489497;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.00565011 = 0.5142 BTC [-] {6} 
600951;1396489531;dignork;moiety, neat, but no text. p.s. windows?
600952;1396489609;moiety;dignork: i rotate my manuls, some are unlabelled. and i would prefer a non-microshaft machine, but priorities just now
600953;1396489661;asciilifeform;moiety: http://messybeast.com/genetics/hyb-lynx-bobcat.htm
600954;1396489862;moiety;asciilifeform: thats incredible. its really interesting how they are all a bit different. I'm espcieally surprised at the ocelot hybrid. (and the fact theres such a thing as a cryptozoologist)
600955;1396489904;moiety;"bobelots" lol
600956;1396489984;dignork;moiety, http://megademotivator.ru/uploads/posts/images/vot-on-111-glazhenyj-manul_1.jpg - "already petted"
600957;1396490089;moiety;lololol ^ [still embarrased i thought he was really that size D:]
600958;1396490216;BingoBoingo;moiety: That one might be, "glandular disorder"
600959;1396490326;moiety;lolol BingoBoingo "he's just big boned!"
600960;1396490351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-]
600961;1396490386;BingoBoingo;The late colonel http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/31/tech/social-media/apparently-this-matters-rip-colonel-meow/
600962;1396490407;moiety;asciilifeform: i didn't know they had a name for this either http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_cat [Alien Big Cats]
600963;1396490460;moiety;BingoBoingo: is he just famous for looking grumpy too?
600964;1396490480;BingoBoingo;moiety: That's a different one
600965;1396490508;moiety;i know grumpy cat but this one looks rather sour too... what did he do?
600966;1396490530;moiety;ah.. "proud, plotting and evil, as though he might actually murder a small human just for sport."
600967;1396490548;moiety;I didn't know you had a cat BingoBoingo! :P
600968;1396490566;BingoBoingo;moiety: I don't
600969;1396490592;moiety;just kidding, you need to get a corgi
600970;1396490621;BingoBoingo;Eh
600971;1396491191;cazalla;moiety: i know about one of those phantom cats (blue mountains panther), we were always told it broke free when a cage overturned from a circus travelling up the mountain
600972;1396491301;moiety;cazalla: ever seen it? i wonder how many of these phantom cats were secret exotic pets that got loose
600973;1396491373;cazalla;moiety: nope and i don't know anyone that does, the story changes over time though - where the circus caravan overturned etc
600974;1396491499;moiety;cazalla: that's one thing that can be said for our nessie, she doesn't ever move lol
600975;1396491682;jayk;oh me oh my
600976;1396491687;jayk;love that country pie
600977;1396491700;jayk;!dirtypic
600978;1396491937;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [-]
600979;1396491998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.550135 = 3.3008 BTC [-] {2} 
600980;1396492052;BingoBoingo;.bait
600981;1396492053;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5gib2usBi1rx9omho1_500.jpg
600982;1396492371;KRS-One;no moar bait =(
600983;1396492496;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: But bait is your favorite
600984;1396492619;KRS-One;yeah..must fix ozbot..i knew something was going wrong toward the end.  He was spitting out links to 70's and black and white porn.
600985;1396492648;KRS-One;They didn't shave in the 70's..our poor parents had sub par pron indeed. We have it so much better these days.
600986;1396493340;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 476 @ 0.0008881 = 0.4227 BTC [+] {6} 
600987;1396493819;moiety;whenever i write anything, i just sound sarcastic as fuck D:
600988;1396493828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.0009439 = 12.6011 BTC [-]
600989;1396493828;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00580748 = 0.3368 BTC [+] {3} 
600990;1396494011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18292 @ 0.00094343 = 17.2572 BTC [-] {2} 
600991;1396494377;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.061136 = 0.5502 BTC [+]
600992;1396494378;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.00580989 = 0.5519 BTC [+] {2} 
600993;1396494438;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.061135 = 0.7948 BTC [-]
600994;1396494682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52450 @ 0.00094122 = 49.367 BTC [-] {3} 
600995;1396496390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15435 @ 0.00094205 = 14.5405 BTC [+]
600996;1396496695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 335 @ 0.0003882 = 0.13 BTC [-] {4} 
600997;1396496780;MisterE;cazalla: I forgot, what do you do man? work in IT?
600998;1396496818;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0057785 = 1.1557 BTC [-] {4} 
600999;1396496820;MisterE;we had that great chat the other night then nothing since I feel like I've ben dumped after a hot 1-night stand :p
601000;1396496845;MisterE;but, without the gay stuff
601001;1396496879;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0150003 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2} 
601002;1396496939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.01500009 = 0.24 BTC [-] {3} 
601003;1396496940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59499998 = 1.19 BTC [+] {2} 
601004;1396497061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.056 = 0.84 BTC [-]
601005;1396497215;artifexd;;;ident mod6
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601007;1396497508;artifexd;;;rate mod6 1 Runs ATC bot BitOTTer910 in #altcoin
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601011;1396497929;cazalla;MisterE: nothing atm, stay at home dad
601012;1396497976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5954686 = 1.1909 BTC [+] {2} 
601013;1396498389;cazalla;ah, he's not here.. who doesn't use a bouncer?
601014;1396498525;Mats_cd03;i use irccloud
601015;1396498531;Mats_cd03;is nice
601016;1396498561;Mats_cd03;but theres a log so it doesnt really matter
601017;1396498760;cazalla;but i don't know if he reads it so he might assume i am ignoring him
601018;1396498807;cazalla;plus i'm instantly suspicious when someone asks what i do
601019;1396498830;cazalla;it's 2014, i can be a stay at home dad, check your privilege ffs
601020;1396498982;nubbins`;ha
601021;1396499152;Mats_cd03;being a stay at home dad is privilege
601022;1396499213;artifexd;Mats_cd03, I just got my invite and am looking forward to trying it. Thanks for the pointer.
601023;1396499257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18691 @ 0.00094417 = 17.6475 BTC [+] {2} 
601024;1396499315;Mats_cd03;its well worth the 5 dollars a month imo
601025;1396499344;cazalla;Mats_cd03: yeah, it's good, sick of seeing the wife so much each day though :P
601026;1396499413;cazalla;breastfeeding mothers are in a class of their own when it comes to nagging/whinging
601027;1396499562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3170 @ 0.00094474 = 2.9948 BTC [+]
601028;1396499608;MisterE;hahaha
601029;1396499684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00094474 = 6.377 BTC [+]
601030;1396499727;cazalla;MisterE: so you do read logs
601031;1396499758;MisterE;not always
601032;1396499772;MisterE;but I probably should
601033;1396499928;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 72 @ 0.00387486 = 0.279 BTC [-] {13} 
601034;1396499998;cazalla;so what do you do for a crust
601035;1396500297;cads;wow I just read mircea completely demolish some logic, and then make an unfounded claim. An anonymous kid attacked the claim, to which mircea finally admitted the claim was true because he was the elder and does not have to give an explanation and take it or leave it
601036;1396500332;cads;then the kid actually kowtows and apologizes for being treated this way and even _thanks mircea for replying at all_
601037;1396500341;cads;I laughed mightily
601038;1396500372;cazalla;cads: are you still sober these days?
601039;1396500486;cads;what do you mean?
601040;1396500510;cazalla;you talked about it last year - i'm reading through the logs from the start and came across that like a week ago
601041;1396500593;cads;ah, okay
601042;1396500623;cazalla;i wasn't having a go at you
601043;1396500652;cads;it's okay
601044;1396500660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00094555 = 24.5843 BTC [+] {2} 
601045;1396500762;cads;I still maintain sobriety from alcohol and other drugs, but I smoke pot
601046;1396500836;cazalla;I quit drinking for almost 2 years, started again few weeks before my son was born for some reason
601047;1396500900;joecool;cazalla: i'm guessing you are not the mother
601048;1396500904;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00010817 = 0.4327 BTC [+] {6} 
601049;1396500934;cazalla;I must be really drunk if i am
601050;1396500948;joecool;lol
601051;1396501045;cads;:D
601052;1396501154;cads;cazalla: like.. how much booze?
601053;1396501188;cads;I have a friend that is so boozy he's constantly at risk of being homeless and I have to ask him is it worth it :P
601054;1396501199;cads;and he says "hell no it's not"
601055;1396501209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11766 @ 0.00094838 = 11.1586 BTC [+] {2} 
601056;1396501215;cads;and keeps right on drinking it's ... heartbreaking
601057;1396501216;cazalla;Ah, it's not a problem, I just see the habit forming again that's all
601058;1396501236;cazalla;and that's when the problems can occur
601059;1396501242;cads;hey I guess that's not a bad place to be looking out from
601060;1396501248;cazalla;MP actually said something interesting in the logs about this to you or something else
601061;1396501300;cazalla;I'll butcher it when I paraphrase but along the lines of it's not that the world sucks but you're looking at everything through the lense of a sore and tired drunk
601062;1396501360;cads;I wouldn't wanna drunk holding my kid, even if that drunk was me :P
601063;1396501373;cads;I dunno, regrets, man, don't discount them
601064;1396501380;cads;but you'll do the right thing
601065;1396501385;cazalla;I don't do that, I just hop into bed and let the wife deal with the crying in the evening
601066;1396501423;cads;hah, lucky guy
601067;1396501428;cads;how long married?
601068;1396501442;cazalla;Well, technically not married
601069;1396501460;cazalla;together almost 6 years though so with a kid, we're pretty much married
601070;1396501497;cazalla;We discussed it before but she doesn't want to change her surname so I told her I'm not asking then
601071;1396501534;joecool;must have a crappy surname
601072;1396501559;cazalla;Which sounds like alarm bells to me if anyone else said it but it's all good
601073;1396501564;cads;lol
601074;1396501595;joecool;"yeah sry i don't want to be mrs. cockgobbler, i hope you understand"
601075;1396501596;random_cat;is betsofbitco.in down?
601076;1396501597;cazalla;joecool: she's just brainwashed by women's rights, funny how a lot of that went away once she fell pregnant
601077;1396501600;cads;"lets renegotiate this deal once you're willing to accept the name change package"
601078;1396501652;cazalla;cads: it could be worse, her bff got married and her husband changed his surname, i have no respect for the man
601079;1396501652;joecool;cazalla: first year or so my gf thought she'd want to keep her last name, decided she doesn't care now
601080;1396501686;cads;cazalla: that's strange
601081;1396501712;joecool;in fact she wants to change her first name's spelling as a package deal after she gets married
601082;1396501717;joecool;works for me
601083;1396501724;cads;I wouldn't ever want to inflict my last name upon a girl
601084;1396501732;cazalla;cads: she's vegan, leftist, check your privilege type, i hate the woman and her mouse of a husband just follows what she says
601085;1396501764;cads;lol, I like those girls but I fight with them a lot
601086;1396501777;cads;also math is weak
601087;1396501777;cazalla;joecool: i don't even care so much now that my son has my surname, that was really the only reason why i would've pushed for her to take my surname to begin with
601088;1396501794;cazalla;cads: she has great tits though
601089;1396501827;joecool;oh vegan would be dealbreaker i think, that or tobacco smoker
601090;1396501838;cads;I do vegan only if she cooks
601091;1396501840;cads;well
601092;1396501849;cads;and doesn't care if I eat meat
601093;1396501856;cads;and does sushi
601094;1396501861;cazalla;my wife can't cook or clean :\
601095;1396501867;cads;she must make a total shameless exception for sushi
601096;1396501883;joecool;though tbh i am polar opposite to gf, i can't eat wheat and she cooks bread all the time, i just eat a lot of breakfast food all the time
601097;1396501884;cads;god I would hate to clean better than my wife
601098;1396501910;cazalla;it's not so much that she can't clean by my mother was OCD about cleaning so my wife will never be up to par
601099;1396501917;cazalla;but*
601100;1396501961;cazalla;so i cook and clean but she's also breastfeeding so i don't mind so much, that's a job on it's own
601101;1396502006;joecool;messes don't cry
601102;1396502011;cazalla;it is interesting to watch all the leftish bullshit go out the window since she fell pregnant and bubs was born
601103;1396502078;joecool;prob stopped burning the bras now that she needs the support, etc
601104;1396502097;cazalla;she wanted him to have my surname, doesn't give 2 shits about the career she left behind and wants to remain a mum, thinks bubs does best with mum + dad around instead of single parent families being no different
601105;1396502177;cads;lol, feminists argue single parent families are just as good from statistical standpoint?
601106;1396502185;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06111111 = 2.4444 BTC [-]
601107;1396502187;cads;or just an idealogical one :)
601108;1396502199;cazalla;some will argue there is no difference between mum + dad versus single parent or gays
601109;1396502208;cazalla;"all they need is love"
601110;1396502222;cazalla;backflippd on abortion too, as did i
601111;1396502256;cazalla;at least for non medical reasons anyway
601112;1396502290;cads;dang, hormones, the ultimate argument
601113;1396502292;cazalla;just a shame we don't have guns to hold down the fort here in australia
601114;1396502327;joecool;i find it lulzy to see vegan pro-abortionists, i guess my logic is strutured a bit differently
601115;1396502337;joecool;*structured
601116;1396502364;cazalla;that's not so much my wife, more so her friend who would bring that stupid stuff up and my wife being submissive would just nod and parrot it
601117;1396502418;cazalla;i don't know how her husband explained to his parents he was changing his surname to hers
601118;1396502454;cads;I mean I'm sure societies where that happens predominantly are juuuust fine
601119;1396502463;cads;it just seems like a bitch move
601120;1396502514;cazalla;not that i'm the pack leader but he is a bitch, skinny little thing, follows her around, he goes with her to visit her friends
601121;1396502538;cazalla;they come around here and i just stay in the computer room while the 3 of them chat
601122;1396502551;nubbins`;^ ahahahahaha
601123;1396502557;nubbins`;COUPLES NIGHT
601124;1396502558;cads;lol
601125;1396502589;nubbins`;WHERE'S YOUR HUSBAND ROSE OH HE'S IN THE OTHER ROOM HE FUCKING HATES YOU GUYS
601126;1396502692;Mats_cd03;lol
601127;1396502711;cazalla;heh it's not that i hate em but they talk about things that don't interest me
601128;1396502727;cazalla;and i think he would need permission from his wife to take an interest in what i do in here
601129;1396503100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19169 @ 0.00094866 = 18.1849 BTC [+] {2} 
601130;1396503832;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.5984892 = 15.5607 BTC [+] {10} 
601131;1396504015;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1575 @ 0.00095027 = 1.4967 BTC [+]
601132;1396504381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8540 @ 0.00095027 = 8.1153 BTC [+]
601133;1396505296;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06111111 = 1.5278 BTC [-]
601134;1396505544;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6037404#msg6037404
601135;1396505545;ozbot;Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
601136;1396505767;BingoBoingo;Apparently Havelock is reopening Cog for trading
601137;1396505869;Duffer1;remind me to read tomorrows log, I fear I may sleep through the great selloff
601138;1396506174;Duffer1;Goat mad
601139;1396506552;wywialm;hey, could anyone explain to me what does ATC stand for?
601140;1396506724;Duffer1;Altcoin
601141;1396506774;Duffer1;I'm not sure if that project's been abandoned yet though
601142;1396506999;BingoBoingo;Still going strong
601143;1396507004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60499998 BTC [+]
601144;1396507009;wywialm;altcoins in general or a specific project (unknown to me) with this name?
601145;1396507065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60498999 = 1.21 BTC [-] {2} 
601146;1396507089;BingoBoingo;The specific project known as Altcoi
601147;1396507091;BingoBoingo;n
601148;1396507152;wywialm;BingoBoingo: could you point to some details, please?
601149;1396507171;BingoBoingo;https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc
601150;1396507172;ozbot;X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin
601151;1396507186;BingoBoingo;It's being mined and traded... That's really all there is to it.
601152;1396507209;wywialm;thanks
601153;1396507251;BingoBoingo;Some people are contemplating gambling sites.
601154;1396507343;wywialm;in what ways ATC differs from, um, altcoins?
601155;1396507479;BingoBoingo;Well, it is totally like meta. Sure there's a lot of altcoins, but then there's Altcoin.
601156;1396507490;BingoBoingo;Doge is a meme, it will fade.
601157;1396507517;BingoBoingo;People have argued about the meaning of "is" since Plato and Aristotle. The meta angle has staying power.
601158;1396507614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13286 @ 0.00094866 = 12.6039 BTC [-]
601159;1396507625;wywialm;so the power in the name? and what about mechanics?
601160;1396507676;cazalla;since when does that matter for altcoins?
601161;1396507688;wywialm;oh, finally, my google-fu allowed me to find something about it
601162;1396507756;BingoBoingo;Well, it is an SHA-256 coin
601163;1396507801;punkman;https://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop
601164;1396507802;ozbot;Novena | Crowd Supply
601165;1396508135;BingoBoingo;Junkyard Wars laptop returns
601166;1396508322;cads;punkman: I don't remember if I answered your earlier question - thanks for the links
601167;1396508409;punkman;cads, I might set that up to generate the kind of leads you are looking for in a few months
601168;1396508511;cads;like your choice of dokuwiki, I've used that for a couple projects
601169;1396508529;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.045 = 0.72 BTC [+]
601170;1396508651;cads;punkman: have you played around with parts produced by a DLP machine?
601171;1396508709;punkman;cads, there's an expensive one at the local uni, but material is expensive and they don't let people use it often
601172;1396508710;cads;I understand that the machines print with really great layer times - something like 10 seconds a layer. They print vertical resolution of 0.2, which is par with what I print
601173;1396508734;cads;yeah I imagine the big bottleneck with those machines is material cost
601174;1396508778;punkman;they also have a couple Stratasys printers with ABS filament, which seem to produce worse quality than a well-calibrated reprap
601175;1396508798;punkman;$300/kg ABS filament for those
601176;1396508811;cads;you're kidding
601177;1396508814;cads;wow
601178;1396508920;cads;our client has a stratasys in a europe office but it's tied up most of the time so what the america based vp of development was doing was to fly to the europe office. He'd get a call from some engineers that would ask him if he could arrange to be in europe on this date two weeks from now.
601179;1396508946;cads;our parts were sturdier and overall similar quality
601180;1396508965;cads;I didn't know we were also getting our material 6 times cheaper
601181;1396508980;punkman;ABS pellets are like $100 for 1000kg
601182;1396509018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13485 @ 0.00095294 = 12.8504 BTC [+] {2} 
601183;1396509027;cads;I'd like a printer that uses direct pellets
601184;1396509033;cads;probably a bad idea
601185;1396509087;punkman;easier to set up a filament extruder, I think one of the DIY ones does acceptable quality by now
601186;1396509149;cads;I'd like to see a printer where the extruder is actually an array of pores fed off of a high pressure hydraulic manifold, using some kind of high reliability high temperature electromechanical actuators
601187;1396509167;cads;so I can extrude wide ribbons
601188;1396509216;punkman;that's mad scientist stuff
601189;1396509224;punkman;:P
601190;1396509269;cads;not even the objet does it that way
601191;1396509305;random_cat;watson, come here.  i want to see you
601192;1396509314;cads;I think it would be too easy to cook that kind of a system
601193;1396509409;cads;actually, hey, make the extruder plate something like a actual thick plate that is bolted onto the end of a thick pressurized column of plastic
601194;1396509431;cads;rather, bolted onto a pipe carrying such a column
601195;1396509512;cads;then if the plate clogs (too much), you stop the machine, cool off the plastic, unbolt the endplate retainer, snap the end plate off, then have a look at what's happening with your plastic
601196;1396509538;cads;if the plastic isn't cooked you just bolt on another orifice plate and fire it back up
601197;1396509545;punkman;Polyjet tech does that array of "pores" thing, but you can't control viscous material like ABS in it
601198;1396509559;punkman;so it uses resin and cures it quickly
601199;1396509575;cads;yeah that's the big problem
601200;1396509618;cads;it's hard to leverage that much ABS, and you certainly can't do it in that rapid side to side motion enjoyed by the objet tech
601201;1396509655;cads;I think the extruder head (or build plate) may need to rotate in the w axis
601202;1396509662;MisterE;;;ticker --market btce
601203;1396509663;gribble;BTC-E BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.02, Best ask: 410.052, Bid-ask spread: 0.03200, Last trade: 410.054, 24 hour volume: 36303.61902, 24 hour low: 410.052, 24 hour high: 498.70001, 24 hour vwap: 454.376005
601204;1396509715;cads;punkman: this "wide array" extruder configuration would be ideal, if nothing else, for filling in swathes of infill
601205;1396509868;cads;as each pore passes into a perimeter boundary it initiates an extrusion event, and as the pore leaves a permeter boundary it ends the extrusion event (and wipes clean on the permeter edge)
601206;1396509944;cads;I know that even with current extruders the initial and terminal ends of the extrusion may fail to bond properly with the extruders
601207;1396509960;punkman;yeah that's not really gonna work
601208;1396510000;cads;but I feel like lags and hysteresis in the extruder have a role to play there too
601209;1396510041;punkman;I like this concept a lot, http://www.mcortechnologies.com/3d-printers/iris/
601210;1396510044;cads;I just want to pack more plastic per second in the part, lol
601211;1396510079;punkman;you could make a 1mm extruder, then work on getting it to go fast
601212;1396510125;punkman;not great for detail of course
601213;1396510188;cads;I wonder if that would be okay for support too
601214;1396510358;cads;1mm increases rate of plastic flow by 4?
601215;1396510368;cads;(compared to 0.5)
601216;1396510436;cads;I dunno if the rate of goopy flow through a pipe at a given pressure grows like the square of the pipe diameter or no
601217;1396510444;punkman;I'd say factor of 2, if layer height is the same
601218;1396510457;cads;anyways, time to hit the hay because I'm no longer coherent
601219;1396510476;punkman;yeah I'm gonna do some work too
601220;1396510477;cads;hmm, later height should be 0.8 mm
601221;1396510507;cads;you save four 0.2 mm layer in one fell goop
601222;1396510518;punkman;I think this is enough 3d printing talk for #b-a for the next few months
601223;1396510626;jurov;wha, still going? :)
601224;1396510702;cads;lol, gnite all
601225;1396510950;bounce;pity that novena thing has like nothing on available keyboards except "bring your own"
601226;1396510979;punkman;bounce, thinkpad keyboards are easy to get
601227;1396511039;punkman;that's a really weird design for the $2k option though
601228;1396511051;bounce;hope so. I'd like a keyboard without touchpad and with trackpoint. even so you get the usual crappy layout with too many and too small keys
601229;1396511511;Diablo-D3;http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/01/us-bitcoin-mtgox-karpeles-idUSBREA3021920140401
601230;1396511511;ozbot;Judge orders Mt Gox CEO to U.S. for questions on failed bitcoin exchange
601231;1396511760;antephialtic;asciilifeform: do you worry that trezor's message signing capabilities might reduce demand for the cardano?
601232;1396512222;BingoBoingo;I can't answer for him, but the use cases seem completely different
601233;1396512697;antephialtic;trezor can sign arbitrary messages, not just bitcoin transactions
601234;1396512720;antephialtic;if they become popular, I could see people using signing addresses a lot more
601235;1396512795;antephialtic;nice thing about ecdsa sigs is you can extract the pubkey from the signature, hash it, then check that it matches the signing address
601236;1396512828;BingoBoingo;Well, the other problem though is that it is still ecdsa sigs
601237;1396512845;antephialtic;right now its a lot clunkier than using normal GPG signatures, but if the trezor becomes widespread, I could see people improving the tooling
601238;1396512861;antephialtic;what's wrong with ecdsa sigs? backdoored by NSA?
601239;1396512898;antephialtic;if thats true, we are already screwed :) government can just take all our bitcoins
601240;1396512920;antephialtic;(if you reuse addresses, that is)
601241;1396512923;Apocalyptic;^
601242;1396512930;Apocalyptic;that's an important point
601243;1396512986;BingoBoingo;Address reuse is theoretically problematic, with a poor RNG it is completely fucked as the android wallet apps demonstrated
601244;1396513071;antephialtic;I mean if we think the NSA is some all knowing crypto monster, what's to say they can't break SHA-256? They are the ones that invented it, after all
601245;1396513137;truffles;if everything has a backdoor any1 would seem allknowing :D
601246;1396513208;BingoBoingo;Well the problem with ECDSA is each signature from a public/private keypair needs a quality random number or the private key is reasonably soluable. People last year who used Android bitcoin wallets lost bitcoin over this known problem.
601247;1396513348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33350 @ 0.00095749 = 31.9323 BTC [+]
601248;1396513392;davout;!t m x.eur
601249;1396513393;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00214608 / 0.0025 (3831 shares, 8.22 BTC)
601250;1396513415;davout;how do i get the bid/ask?
601251;1396513574;punkman;$depth x.eur
601252;1396513575;mpexbot;punkman: X.EUR Bids: ['300 @ 0.00326888', '2400 @ 0.0019005', '200 @ 0.00170512', '500 @ 0.00169213', '4200 @ 0.0016245']
601253;1396513576;mpexbot;punkman: Asks: ['300 @ 0.00330916']
601254;1396514265;Apocalyptic;.d
601255;1396514265;ozbot;5.007 billion | Next Diff in 406 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.2859% in 2d 6h 22m 28s
601256;1396514629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22557 @ 0.00095986 = 21.6516 BTC [+] {2} 
601257;1396515178;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00010998 = 0.5499 BTC [+] {6} 
601258;1396516061;jurov;;;bc,stats
601259;1396516073;gribble;Current Blocks: 293932 | Current Difficulty: 5.0068605892054E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 294335 | Next Difficulty In: 403 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 19 hours, 22 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 5969305913.59 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.22253
601260;1396516131;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
601261;1396516138;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 421.7, vol: 40094.23126396 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 416.0, vol: 38276.78147 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 420.9, vol: 37184.58693744 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 421.75, vol: 222.56336298 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 406.19656, vol: 12405.72170000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 432.76815, vol: 7.40834272 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 414.494273766, vol: 201.60036486 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
601262;1396516267;jurov;;;more
601263;1396516268;gribble;Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
601264;1396516489;BingoBoingo;;;more
601265;1396516489;gribble;average: 418.260430828
601266;1396517496;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0564 = 0.1128 BTC [+]
601267;1396518961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00096 = 16.512 BTC [+]
601268;1396519034;punkman;"years ago when I visited the City Police anti-money laundering division  in the City of London who told me with absolutely straight faces that  despite London being the centre of international banking, not a single  penny of laundered or drug money entered the City banks."
601269;1396519047;punkman;"I kid you not that is what they said to me. I asked them if they  thought I was on day release from a special needs school. They did not  laugh."
601270;1396519708;*;moiety catches up
601271;1396519723;moiety;i missed the 3d printing talk D:
601272;1396519932;moiety;3D printed manuls punkman ... just a thought
601273;1396521522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15929 @ 0.00096 = 15.2918 BTC [+]
601274;1396522132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00095956 = 9.3077 BTC [-]
601275;1396522703;BingoBoingo;Imma bout to get hit with a squall line in about 5-15 minutes. If I'm offline a while it is because assholes decide above ground power and internet are great in a area with trees and frequent wind storms
601276;1396522746;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
601277;1396522753;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 436.99, vol: 42410.76774656 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 430.01, vol: 38953.32076 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 434.0, vol: 37808.69864611 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 449.0, vol: 203.86828796 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 416.99161, vol: 13052.92940000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 439.36061, vol: 8.94932542 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 437.0705, vol: 168.0749815 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
601278;1396522759;BingoBoingo;;;more
601279;1396522759;gribble;432.137326659
601280;1396522864;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60799997 BTC [+]
601281;1396522986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6163 @ 0.00095729 = 5.8998 BTC [-]
601282;1396523474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22281 @ 0.00095983 = 21.386 BTC [+]
601283;1396523561;khersonus;;;tslb
601284;1396523563;gribble;Time since last block: 51 minutes and 31 seconds
601285;1396523962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2473 @ 0.00095983 = 2.3737 BTC [+]
601286;1396524389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00095996 = 30.9107 BTC [+] {2} 
601287;1396524633;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0574 = 0.861 BTC [+] {3} 
601288;1396524634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04523999 = 0.4524 BTC [-]
601289;1396524694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05789994 = 0.2895 BTC [+] {3} 
601290;1396524695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04515249 = 0.1806 BTC [-] {2} 
601291;1396524816;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0579 = 0.2316 BTC [+]
601292;1396524878;bounce;http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-cryptocurrency-exchange-platform-solution-093200699.html
601293;1396524882;ozbot;Bitcoin And Cryptocurrency Exchange Platform Solution For Operators Launched by PFSOFT - Yahoo Finan
601294;1396524938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00096 = 1.44 BTC [+]
601295;1396525282;mircea_popescu;they want money for it ?
601296;1396525487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.10144642 = 3.0434 BTC [-]
601297;1396525548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.000953 = 9.4824 BTC [-]
601298;1396525572;bounce;it doesn't say they're giving it away. looks like yahoo was a bit late in picking up this press release.
601299;1396525782;BingoBoingo;This was a thoroughly underwhelming storm for these awfully inconsiderate sirens to roused me from bed so.
601300;1396525792;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04410003 = 0.1323 BTC [+] {2} 
601301;1396525793;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.000953 = 3.9073 BTC [-]
601302;1396526591;mircea_popescu;lol you got weather sirens ?
601303;1396526646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-]
601304;1396526785;VanCleef;hey mp
601305;1396526802;VanCleef;any new companies being ipo'd on mpex this year?
601306;1396526977;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/obama-clinton-or-the-end-of-the-republic/
601307;1396526978;ozbot;Obama-Clinton, or the end of the republic. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
601308;1396526996;mircea_popescu;VanCleef none so far.
601309;1396527138;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah, goes with the area's propensity for tornadoes
601310;1396527541;mircea_popescu;oh that far up north ? didn't know.
601311;1396527656;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
601312;1396527657;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 436.18, Best ask: 437.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 437.0, 24 hour volume: 42403.99452722, 24 hour low: 416.11, 24 hour high: 490.56, 24 hour vwap: 444.403658178
601313;1396527700;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, I'm much closer to st louis than chicago. Right about the same latitude as this airport http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Storms-cause-damage-at-Lambert-Airport-minor-injuries-reported-120523519.html
601314;1396527763;BingoBoingo;http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Severe-weather-warnings-issued-for-St-Louis-area-253710611.html
601315;1396527763;ozbot;Storms prompt tornado warnings, cause damage in St. Louis area |
601316;1396527788;BingoBoingo;This morning's thing that couldn't quite keep it together long enough to make it here intact
601317;1396527814;chetty;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-02/venezuelas-maduro-explains-why-its-rich-are-revolting-and-us-responsible
601318;1396527815;ozbot;In A NYT Op-Ed, Venezuela's Maduro Explains Why It's The Rich That Are Revolting | Zero Hedge
601319;1396527869;BingoBoingo;The rich, the air, who is revolting next today?
601320;1396527885;VanCleef;gay mafia?
601321;1396527929;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo oh i c
601322;1396527947;mircea_popescu;well it's zeroclue, so.
601323;1396527988;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.04391818 = 0.4831 BTC [-] {2} 
601324;1396528002;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Eight years ago yesterday a classmate at the time got to see their roof flipped off of their apartment and discarded on the golf course.
601325;1396528018;mircea_popescu;anyway, nice bit, it signals the switch of the us from reagan-esque "promoter of democracy" in the world to obama-esque "promoter of democracy" in the world.
601326;1396528036;mircea_popescu;the difference between the two democracies aptly described by the differences between the two berlins, on either side of the wall.
601327;1396528049;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0584 = 0.292 BTC [+]
601328;1396528059;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo and didn't even have to buy the lsd...
601329;1396528110;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05889989 = 0.1767 BTC [+]
601330;1396528111;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0439 = 0.1317 BTC [-]
601331;1396528144;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nah, springtime here and LSD would be too much.
601332;1396528171;BingoBoingo;Here's a particularly interesting storm from when I was in Carbondale for Grad school http://www.spc.noaa.gov/misc/AbtDerechos/casepages/may82009page.htm
601333;1396528242;BingoBoingo;"The city of Carbondale was nearly impassable because of fallen trees and debris, and 34 properties were deemed total losses. The campus of Southern Illinois University suffered extensive damage, with nearly 100 windows blown out of residence halls. An unofficial gust to 106 mph was recorded on the roof of the Carbondale airport."
601334;1396528337;jadne;rawr
601335;1396528362;BingoBoingo;The weather service report neglects to mention how many properties were total losses before the storm.
601336;1396528367;mircea_popescu;lmao
601337;1396528388;mircea_popescu;ajaja that venezuelan piece is quite the thing.
601338;1396528398;mircea_popescu;"we have the lowest inequality in the region [everyone is poor now]"
601339;1396528447;mircea_popescu;"Democracy (in the terminology and reality of socialists) seems to be the path of long lines of people waiting, clutching a government issued piece of paper, entitling them to a ration of food, water, health care, gasoline...and of course...toilet paper, not confiscated already for government officials delicate bottoms."
601340;1396528476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00095298 = 14.1041 BTC [-] {2} 
601341;1396528545;BingoBoingo;Why forums can't work: "Since 1998, the movement founded by Hugo Chávez has won more than a dozen presidential, parliamentary and local elections through an electoral process that former American President Jimmy Carter has called “the best in the world.” Recently, the United Socialist Party received an overwhelming mandate in mayoral elections in December 2013, winning 255 out of 337 municipalities."
601342;1396528554;BingoBoingo;Plato was right!
601343;1396528781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00095544 = 0.6688 BTC [+]
601344;1396528874;BingoBoingo;More BitcoinBourse: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/your-company-shares-on-bitcoin-bourse.293679/
601345;1396528979;mircea_popescu;so glbse group 3 is well represented ?
601346;1396529029;BingoBoingo;Well, CryptoStocks 2.0
601347;1396529086;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.10144642 = 1.0145 BTC [-]
601348;1396529109;BingoBoingo;I dunno that they even seem to put in the effort in developing chumptronics to fall into the GLBSE/BTC-TC/Buttfunder camp
601349;1396529116;mircea_popescu;my own counting scheme is 1. glbse ; 2. btctc, bitfunder, havelock ; 3. bitcoinbourse etc
601350;1396529125;BingoBoingo;Ah
601351;1396529130;mircea_popescu;o right, cause the kumala thing existed all along huh ?
601352;1396529134;mircea_popescu;no, you have a point.
601353;1396529140;ThickAsThieves;mp down with the hags! my only real experience with hags is on nonprofit boards as clients
601354;1396529145;ThickAsThieves;such wretches
601355;1396529154;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves innit ?
601356;1396529162;BingoBoingo;Yeah, Cryptostocks is old, but I guess Crytostocks was the first 3rd gen chumpotron of this sort
601357;1396529178;mircea_popescu;i'm personally only quoting the italians, as all old women i know are actually pretty great
601358;1396529195;ThickAsThieves;well not all old women aare hags
601359;1396529206;BingoBoingo;The third gen advance is being so overtly scammy and obtuse to any outside diligence the things might continue indefinitely
601360;1396529208;ThickAsThieves;but many on nonprofit boards are, in my experience at least
601361;1396529219;mircea_popescu;anyway, medieval/renaissance italian literature hates the cateogry like no other.
601362;1396529230;mircea_popescu;by comparison, niggers were popular in the southern us pre and post civil war.
601363;1396529257;ThickAsThieves;i think an environment does temper a hag
601364;1396529267;ThickAsThieves;they are definitely bitter about something
601365;1396529271;ThickAsThieves;probly long forgotten
601366;1396529273;BingoBoingo;Well that popularity has largely been supplanted by tractors and pickup trucks
601367;1396529293;mircea_popescu;wait people now hate tractors ?
601368;1396529303;ThickAsThieves;maybe they are alpha males trapped in a woman's body
601369;1396529318;ThickAsThieves;and systemically dismantled over the years
601370;1396529327;mircea_popescu;maybe that's the punishment for being an asshole.
601371;1396529333;mircea_popescu;you're reborn as a woman and get to live forever.
601372;1396529338;ThickAsThieves;hehe
601373;1396529345;ThickAsThieves;life is heaven, life is hell
601374;1396529346;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well tractors are now popular in the way coloreds used to be popular. They are useful implements, but a pain to maintain.
601375;1396529368;mircea_popescu;they were kinda my favourite toys as a little boy...
601376;1396529404;ThickAsThieves;humoursly enough, my favorites were lambos
601377;1396529408;ThickAsThieves;yellow ones
601378;1396529412;mircea_popescu;ha!
601379;1396529437;mircea_popescu;omfg i just had the evilest thought. suppose you have a bad dog like this one : http://i.imgur.com/5C8zhB5.jpg
601380;1396529443;BingoBoingo;Maybe Goat's next lambo will be the original model
601381;1396529448;mircea_popescu;suppose you add large-ish suction cups as part of the bottoms of the casts
601382;1396529451;mircea_popescu;so he can now... climb walls
601383;1396529474;ThickAsThieves;get off the dope!
601384;1396529476;BingoBoingo;Where is moiety for this dog talk
601385;1396529482;mircea_popescu;dude it's good stuff.
601386;1396529499;mircea_popescu;dogbombardment
601387;1396529521;BingoBoingo;Might be a decent source of entropy
601388;1396529539;mircea_popescu;fill all the lights with bacon...
601389;1396529597;moiety;someone say dog?
601390;1396529610;BingoBoingo;Or cheese. Cheese makes dogs gassy for greater lulz
601391;1396529635;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.043675 = 0.3494 BTC [-] {2} 
601392;1396529639;moiety;mircea_popescu: how is that an evil thought??? spider-dog FTW!
601393;1396529649;moiety;imagine the sounds it would make tooo
601394;1396529670;moiety;was goat's lambo actually real btw or a trollstory
601395;1396529701;mircea_popescu;just like all the rest of goat's stuff. if you're the sort of person that believes things some guy claims, it was real.
601396;1396529713;moiety;didn't think so
601397;1396529728;mircea_popescu;if not, you can join the line. it started back in 2012, when he was going to prove he had a mining farm.
601398;1396529735;mircea_popescu;anyminute now.
601399;1396529767;BingoBoingo;His forum is... interesting
601400;1396529772;*;moiety rolls eyes
601401;1396529784;moiety;i thought .. hmm right then at the 21 y/o thai wife
601402;1396529790;moiety;ok so ... who has a dog we can attach suction cups to?
601403;1396529802;moiety;spider-cats? i have two
601404;1396529835;mircea_popescu;if anyone is old enough to remember the picostocks / 100blabla scam ? the one that briefly took on buzzdave after his basicminer scamstint, before the girl drove him out ?
601405;1396529849;BingoBoingo;I remember it a bit.
601406;1396529851;mircea_popescu;that one was pretty much the same thing, guy claiming he's rich and he has bought X miners, then that thing went scam
601407;1396529865;mircea_popescu;but the rich guy somehow hadn't lost anything, and immediately bought just as much of Y thing.
601408;1396529892;mircea_popescu;this is the typical way imagined fortunes work, and it belies their virtuality. the guy wasn't actually invested, but merely pretended to be invested.
601409;1396529893;BingoBoingo;Dave's still something http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/meet-the-manic-miner-who-wants-to-mint-10-of-all-new-bitcoins/
601410;1396529914;mircea_popescu;the actuality of the failure of the purported investment does nothing to alleviate the causes of the pretense, and so the pretense is simply rehashed.
601411;1396529923;mircea_popescu;re-making the claim costs about as much as it cost originally.
601412;1396529949;mircea_popescu;same with goat. he was in here explaining how great future silver has,
601413;1396529964;mircea_popescu;then silver went to shit, but that's ok, cause he was really invested in... whatever went up.
601414;1396529966;mircea_popescu;retroactively.
601415;1396530068;BingoBoingo;Who the fuck though wears a down jacket in a datacenter?
601416;1396530074;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo for completitude's sake, the blatant set really should be cryptostocks / picostocks / bitcoinbourse
601417;1396530087;ThickAsThieves;mp, do you think you'll ever invest in mining infrastructure? do you think governments will? what if china controls all our coinz?
601418;1396530088;mircea_popescu;and we have the equivalent "exchanges", icbit, bitfinex etc
601419;1396530113;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i said government had, a couple months after they had started, a few months ago.
601420;1396530125;mircea_popescu;i personally possibly not. it's just not one of my strenghts.
601421;1396530132;mircea_popescu;i don't own power plants either ;/
601422;1396530154;ThickAsThieves;which governments mine?
601423;1396530162;BingoBoingo;picostocks is prolly more a 2.5 gen chumpotron
601424;1396530167;ThickAsThieves;i feel like if the US is gonna tax it, they should support it
601425;1396530205;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo they never were anything but blatant about it, weren't they ?
601426;1396530210;chetty;National Foundation for the bitcoin
601427;1396530223;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves that type of concern is vastly alleviated by the btc cap. we've already mined more than half the total.
601428;1396530235;mircea_popescu;nobody will control all the coins, too late for that.
601429;1396530258;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: They were blatant, but the weren't quite as refined in their Haxxed, coins are gone as Cryptostocks/Vircurex was where some separation was imagined
601430;1396530276;mircea_popescu;(this incidentally is one major point proponents of alternative coins don't realise. one of the most important permanence factors in a coin is just how well distributed the coinbase is. this is not something later coins will readilyt achieve, bitcoin achieved by accident
601431;1396530277;ThickAsThieves;i understand that much, but the mining ecosystem is its own thing
601432;1396530305;mircea_popescu;or not really accident, more like the interplay of will and understanding, as limited by reality - i demonstrated this once in here using asciilifeform as my victim)
601433;1396530320;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves sure, but not nearly as threatening
601434;1396530329;ThickAsThieves;for example, it's not absurd to think cex.io has more than 51% right now
601435;1396530338;mircea_popescu;why ?
601436;1396530340;ThickAsThieves;and is hiding the "excess"
601437;1396530345;mircea_popescu;cex is a minor player.
601438;1396530354;mircea_popescu;you may not know this, but there's a major miner bezzle market going
601439;1396530355;BingoBoingo;It's also not absurd to imagine cex.io doesn't have any hardware
601440;1396530367;ThickAsThieves;sorry by cex i mean ghash.io pool + the remainder
601441;1396530367;mircea_popescu;where people pay a slight premium to be allowed to pretend they mine by the actual miners.
601442;1396530379;mircea_popescu;this works to everyone's benefit : the actual miners get to conceal their mining, which they want to do
601443;1396530387;ThickAsThieves;i mean the remotely measurable stuff
601444;1396530390;mircea_popescu;the pretenders get to pretend like they matter, which ios really all they're interested in
601445;1396530390;ThickAsThieves;not reported bs
601446;1396530395;mircea_popescu;nothing is remotely measurable.
601447;1396530399;mircea_popescu;in mining.
601448;1396530413;ThickAsThieves;so the pool reports are a lie?
601449;1396530433;mircea_popescu;the connection between mining and identity is aribtrary. purely.
601450;1396530463;mircea_popescu;if i own 1petahash worth of mining gear, and we have a deal that you claim to own 1petahash worth of mining, we can work it so no third party can ever discover this.
601451;1396530484;ThickAsThieves;i agree
601452;1396530492;ThickAsThieves;but that goes to my point as much as yours
601453;1396530495;mircea_popescu;i want this, because a mine is a physical thing, it needs proxying.
601454;1396530498;mircea_popescu;you want this because you're a goat
601455;1396530502;mircea_popescu;best of all worlds.
601456;1396530515;mircea_popescu;no, it's more subtle than that ThickAsThieves
601457;1396530530;mircea_popescu;remember how i told tg2 to stfu yest, because it's not HIS job to tell the exchanges how to exchange ? it's not.
601458;1396530542;mircea_popescu;in exactly the same way, it's not your job to "verify" that the miners don't 51%
601459;1396530544;ThickAsThieves;i have him ignored
601460;1396530547;BingoBoingo;!t h cog
601461;1396530549;assbot;[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D:  / 0 /  (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D:  / 0 /  (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.02949251 / 0.05480000 (895 shares, 26.39580023 BTC)
601462;1396530549;mircea_popescu;its their own self interest that does.
601463;1396530555;mircea_popescu;not in any sense within your control.
601464;1396530558;ThickAsThieves;i dont want that job
601465;1396530564;mircea_popescu;well i use you generically.
601466;1396530581;ThickAsThieves;are you sayng that if mining power centralized to an unhealthy degree, so what?
601467;1396530601;mircea_popescu;i am saying that a) it cannot happen and b) this irrespective of what you know or don't know.
601468;1396530636;mircea_popescu;so in your terms "if you think it is or you think it isn't, so what ?"
601469;1396530664;ThickAsThieves;i mean i hear you, but this isnt quite about what i think or know, so much as what "is"
601470;1396530674;mircea_popescu;there is no i.
601471;1396530677;mircea_popescu;there is no is.*
601472;1396530698;ThickAsThieves;maybe tackle from another angle,
601473;1396530711;mircea_popescu;aite.
601474;1396530713;ThickAsThieves;would you say the more miners the better?
601475;1396530728;mircea_popescu;up to a threshold. then it doesn't really matter
601476;1396530740;ThickAsThieves;a dynamic threshold?
601477;1396530753;mircea_popescu;possibly, depending what context you working in
601478;1396530765;ThickAsThieves;suppose most miners are indeed in china
601479;1396530769;mircea_popescu;aite.
601480;1396530775;ThickAsThieves;and bitcoin is a huge thing
601481;1396530776;BingoBoingo;Interesting point: Discus Fish. Was a nothing six months ago. Now relayed to b.info 2 of the last six blocks first
601482;1396530782;ThickAsThieves;and US blows up china
601483;1396530787;mircea_popescu;ha-ha.
601484;1396530795;ThickAsThieves;i know i know
601485;1396530806;mircea_popescu;i can't discuss the impossible tho, because anything can be logically derived from nonsense.
601486;1396530812;ThickAsThieves;i'm basically trying to make a case for mining diversification
601487;1396530828;mircea_popescu;but you're misstating it. if most of the world is china, then most of the world is going to be china
601488;1396530832;mircea_popescu;why get drunk on air?
601489;1396530837;ThickAsThieves;and for institutions to support that mining
601490;1396530848;mircea_popescu;institutions have no business existing.
601491;1396530853;asciilifeform;antephialtic: re: trezor: open the widget and let it speak for itself.
601492;1396530859;mircea_popescu;the future is of individuals, who are going to be the institutions. like it or not.
601493;1396530867;ThickAsThieves;i dunno
601494;1396530878;mircea_popescu;well sure, but this "institution" bs is gone.
601495;1396530887;mircea_popescu;we're going back to caesar who is personally the emperor,
601496;1396530891;ThickAsThieves;i can buy it, except for that all history and all things in the universe say otherwise
601497;1396530900;mircea_popescu;running an empire of generals and senators who ARE, they themselves personally, the respective institutions.
601498;1396530903;ThickAsThieves;things contract into form, and explose into chaos over and over
601499;1396530911;mircea_popescu;the "country of laws not men" failed much like the giant leap forward failed.
601500;1396530929;BingoBoingo;http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/04/03/1240258/russian-glonass-down-for-12-hours
601501;1396530929;ozbot;Russian GLONASS Down For 12 Hours - Slashdot
601502;1396530981;ThickAsThieves;are you saying the the age of the individual through tech can evade becoming to "centralized" and live between chaos and form?
601503;1396530989;ThickAsThieves;too*
601504;1396530996;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2014_March_24#Mircea_Popescu
601505;1396531003;BingoBoingo;Wiki hates
601506;1396531011;ozbot;Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2014 March 24 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
601507;1396531014;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i suppose, depending on what exactly ou mean by that.
601508;1396531017;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that loltron is still going?!
601509;1396531027;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Just closed.
601510;1396531029;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo o, they beleeted it ? awww.
601511;1396531042;asciilifeform;last i checked, i was proclaimed a spammer and given a shitburial
601512;1396531059;truffles;orly
601513;1396531065;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well because you were, what, you dare contest teh wisdom that is ?
601514;1396531068;truffles;biggest spammer above u dood
601515;1396531084;truffles;^^^
601516;1396531189;BingoBoingo;Eh, give it a few years and then wikipedia will be subsumed by wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/archive/fail/wikipedia
601517;1396531214;mircea_popescu;i dunno about that. ideally we dun pour effort into dirt
601518;1396531236;BingoBoingo;I doubt effort will be needed
601519;1396531246;dirt_;dont effort into me
601520;1396531257;truffles;asciilifeform u have a blog right? link again plz
601521;1396531260;mircea_popescu;anyway, once public education becomes a thing of the past, we'll be back to having actual literacy and actual encyclopedists will write actual encyclopedias,
601522;1396531266;mircea_popescu;which will be actually worth reading
601523;1396531272;mircea_popescu;lolstate oops dirt_
601524;1396531278;mircea_popescu;:D
601525;1396531290;asciilifeform;truffles: small blog - http://www.loper-os.org
601526;1396531297;ThickAsThieves;what i mean is, by my own understanding so far, it seems all things centralize over time. in the context of human civilization this is seen quite obviously in, probably, all things observable
601527;1396531303;truffles;ya but its well written :)
601528;1396531313;mircea_popescu;things centralise as they die.
601529;1396531320;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: COunterexample - Yugoslavia
601530;1396531323;ThickAsThieves;it's a cycle, yes
601531;1396531332;ThickAsThieves;and despite its elegance, i'm not sure bitcoin can avoid this
601532;1396531348;ThickAsThieves;of course, the timeline for any given thing centralizing and dying is uknown
601533;1396531352;mircea_popescu;my own view of that cycle is something like : a cool thing makes inroads. the people doing the cool thing eventually die, their successors aim to maintain that greatness
601534;1396531355;truffles;somehow i had forgotten to bookmark
601535;1396531356;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Counterexample - Rawandan Hotelliers
601536;1396531363;mircea_popescu;so they resort to the fuel available : centralising
601537;1396531369;mircea_popescu;and then eventually that runs out too and that's that.
601538;1396531399;ThickAsThieves;i think there that danger must exist in bitcoin somewhere
601539;1396531406;asciilifeform;incidentally, i was proclaimed an unrepentant spammer, years ago, by no less a spam god than pg (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=91)
601540;1396531412;ThickAsThieves;if not mining, if not owning of majority coins, then somewhere else
601541;1396531414;ThickAsThieves;eventually
601542;1396531416;mircea_popescu;suppose you all get extradited to the us to stand trial as witnesses in civil proceedings against unrelated third parties, and are liek waterboarded for lyf. as the forum says will happen.
601543;1396531431;mircea_popescu;the idiots left to replace you will decide well... the only way to maintain the glory of -assets that was
601544;1396531431;truffles;asciilifeform why
601545;1396531431;chetty;well perhaps none of us will live long enough to see the next centralization
601546;1396531435;mircea_popescu;is to all pretend we're mp
601547;1396531446;mircea_popescu;so the channel spends a while as a dump of copy/pasted material
601548;1396531451;mircea_popescu;and slightly re-written webcopy
601549;1396531454;mircea_popescu;and then eventually dies.
601550;1396531457;mircea_popescu;that's the cycle.
601551;1396531457;ThickAsThieves;maybe the centralization is bitcoin itself
601552;1396531490;ThickAsThieves;load up on your ATCs!
601553;1396531512;asciilifeform;re: GLONASS: russia fucked the goat when it decided, in late '70s, to copy american CPUs so that warez can be used instead of investing in software dev.
601554;1396531520;asciilifeform;it remains to be seen whether it will recover from this mistake.
601555;1396531541;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun think that was such a bad call myself.
601556;1396531542;asciilifeform;check out the latest 'Elbrus', for instance. x86, runs... xp.
601557;1396531545;truffles;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1276104/ so u havent seen this movie?
601558;1396531546;ozbot;Looper (2012) - IMDb
601559;1396531571;asciilifeform;;;google siberian pipeline explosion
601560;1396531572;gribble;Siberian pipeline sabotage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_pipeline_sabotage>; Urengoy–Pomary–Uzhgorod pipeline ( 1983 ) - Wikipedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urengoy%E2%80%93Pomary%E2%80%93Uzhgorod_pipeline>; Update: Agent Farewell and the Siberian Pipeline Explosion ...: <http://nsarchive.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/agent- (1 more message)
601561;1396531596;asciilifeform;did this teach anything? of course not.
601562;1396531598;ThickAsThieves;i'd like to see a blog that consistently tackled the topics that make people like us most uncomfortable
601563;1396531601;ThickAsThieves;mp: so make it
601564;1396531627;truffles;TAT i doubt that
601565;1396531636;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: But different things make us uncomfortable unequally
601566;1396531638;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves the point of blogging is to explore exactly that.
601567;1396531646;asciilifeform;truffles: the cheap flick with the time machine mafia?
601568;1396531650;ThickAsThieves;bingo that's even better
601569;1396531658;truffles;pfff it was watchable!
601570;1396531660;asciilifeform;truffles: not sure how it relates
601571;1396531670;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Just blag already
601572;1396531671;truffles;loper/looper
601573;1396531673;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if memory serves, the lessons learned were more about vetrov
601574;1396531687;ThickAsThieves;well, to be candid, and i love you guys, but right now our blog army is mostly preachers to the same choir
601575;1396531695;asciilifeform;truffles: 'lopers' were aliens from clifford simak's 'city'
601576;1396531698;mircea_popescu;so make it :D
601577;1396531714;mircea_popescu;the point was never to agree. the point was to disagree well.
601578;1396531714;truffles;is there a movie?
601579;1396531718;VanCleef;i have feelings for u too
601580;1396531733;truffles;omg rly mp u hate ppl who dont agree with u hypocrite
601581;1396531754;ThickAsThieves;thinking out loud, so sorry if this sucks, but i was also wondering whether having scheduled debate/topic events in channel would be cool
601582;1396531779;*;truffles loves debates
601583;1396531784;mircea_popescu;it'd certainly relieve me of the need to be always here whenever you schmucks manage to get an idea or something :D
601584;1396531797;ThickAsThieves;kinda invite outsiders to watch and see the channel flex
601585;1396531806;*;truffles laughs
601586;1396531813;mircea_popescu;nah see, that's just moving the choir mentality down the road.
601587;1396531816;mircea_popescu;fuck the outsiders.
601588;1396531828;mircea_popescu;they wanna participate they'd better find it.
601589;1396531834;ThickAsThieves;it's not like we'd "market" it
601590;1396531837;asciilifeform;truffles: it was a minor subplot. they find these critters on jupiter, living in the gas, and decide to study them. by building a machine which transforms people into them, so they can see what their life is like. and then, for years, no one returns to be converted back. eventually one fellow comes back. and tells how much more fun it is than being human. end result: mankind vanishes, converted to lopers.
601591;1396531841;ThickAsThieves;so much as post the schedule
601592;1396531843;ThickAsThieves;or such
601593;1396531850;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/8af209a669c2530419926ed6f84527a6/tumblr_mk7vm9TzcU1rmcr76o1_1280.jpg
601594;1396531860;mircea_popescu;this, actually, i propose as quite an illustrative 10k words summary of -assets
601595;1396531867;truffles;ohh sounds cool
601596;1396531868;mircea_popescu;aren't the girls on the left just as hot as the one on the right ?
601597;1396531874;mircea_popescu;sure. and more numerous to boot.
601598;1396531881;truffles;link me (will put on my to do list)
601599;1396531883;mircea_popescu;however, they are perfectly useless, and will not matter.
601600;1396531891;mircea_popescu;she on the right matters. they on the left don't even exist.
601601;1396531913;truffles;mankind vanishing sounds kinda hmmm
601602;1396531922;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: w.r.t. to owning the hashpower, it is clear that the most effective way to launder the proceeds of some crime through bitcoin is to purchase mining hardware with the dirty cash
601603;1396531931;ThickAsThieves;The found and CEO of BitPay, Tony Gallippi, commented: “The launch of our new brand and logo aligns with our open-source culture."
601604;1396531934;antephialtic;in return for "clean coins"
601605;1396531936;mircea_popescu;antephialtic or purchase mining power.
601606;1396531947;VanCleef;tony seems really dodgy
601607;1396531964;ThickAsThieves;i've met him, he's hard to read
601608;1396531979;mircea_popescu;he's the only brain left in the bitcoin scamfoundation troop.
601609;1396531990;mircea_popescu;for as long as he can put up with the imbeciles, at any rate.
601610;1396531991;VanCleef;did he have a nice smell?
601611;1396531992;ThickAsThieves;he seems kind
601612;1396531997;antephialtic;VanCleef: BitPay is doing some good stuff. They are the only company that actually invests in the protocol itself
601613;1396532010;VanCleef;bitpay is the paypal of bitcoin reality
601614;1396532015;truffles;TAT why dont u start another channel with the debate stuff?
601615;1396532015;ThickAsThieves;with a hint of nervousness
601616;1396532024;ThickAsThieves;because
601617;1396532028;asciilifeform;why does the protocol need 'investment' ?
601618;1396532029;BingoBoingo;I dunno how I feel about Bitpay promoting some node.js BBQ stuff they's been pimping
601619;1396532029;ThickAsThieves;that's why
601620;1396532036;BingoBoingo;Seems Intersango like
601621;1396532057;mircea_popescu;antephialtic nah, not only and not even notable.
601622;1396532064;mircea_popescu;conformal is much more "only" and definitely more notable.
601623;1396532065;VanCleef;its just my humble opinion, i dont trust bitpay
601624;1396532067;antephialtic;Not the node.js stuff, that is a gimmick to get more shitty stack-overflow copy/pasting devs building crappy webapps
601625;1396532074;punkman;in an alternate universe, we have node.ps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS
601626;1396532076;antephialtic;BitPay pays Jeff Garzik's salary
601627;1396532084;antephialtic;for him to work on bitcoin-core fulltime
601628;1396532086;truffles;TAT i think it will achieve what u want better imo :)
601629;1396532090;VanCleef;yeh and Jeff Garzik is a snitch
601630;1396532095;VanCleef;i dont trust him either
601631;1396532098;BingoBoingo;antephialtic: You know TradeFortress was a hugbox node.js fan
601632;1396532101;ThickAsThieves;i'm just floating whims
601633;1396532103;mircea_popescu;so what of it ? conformal pays its devs the salary to work on bitcoin-core full time.
601634;1396532107;ThickAsThieves;not trying to start a revolution
601635;1396532115;mircea_popescu;let me underscore that the core devs of bitcoin are at conformal not at the scam foundation.
601636;1396532117;truffles;chat revolution?
601637;1396532118;antephialtic;name one miner mining off of btcd
601638;1396532125;mircea_popescu;why ?
601639;1396532137;truffles;twas ur "idea"
601640;1396532149;BingoBoingo;Actual miners are the least knowable thing in BTC
601641;1396532151;antephialtic;look at the commit log, they fix chain-splitting bugs constantly
601642;1396532165;mircea_popescu;yeah, when they're not hardforking the chain
601643;1396532172;truffles;i like how theyre like 3 topics ongoing heh
601644;1396532190;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: as a grotesque consequence of the sad state of the bitcoin-core codebase, bitcoin-core is unreplaceable
601645;1396532191;mircea_popescu;you really don't want to go into utility. so far the pretend-core devs are a liability overall.
601646;1396532202;mircea_popescu;that nonsense has no currency here.
601647;1396532206;ThickAsThieves;reddit doesnt seem to notice that every China-is-doomgloom post is by the same guy
601648;1396532210;BingoBoingo;truffles: There's always only  been one topic here
601649;1396532219;mircea_popescu;i know, the circlejerk that is the pretend-core likes to convice themselves they're needed because they're stupid.
601650;1396532222;mircea_popescu;that's not how tech works.
601651;1396532226;mircea_popescu;not since 1800s at least.
601652;1396532239;truffles;boingo right now doubtful
601653;1396532250;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: I respect you. But I don't see you committing patches and fixing bugs. It's dirty work, but somebody has to do it.
601654;1396532267;mircea_popescu;dirty work does not become notable by virtue of being dirty.
601655;1396532274;mircea_popescu;;;google "there's some lovely filth down here"
601656;1396532274;gribble;Oh! There is some lovely filth down here - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZD89CEO1Vk>; Monty Python Holy Grail : Autonomous Collective - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE>; Monty Python and the Holy Grail: <http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/mphg/mphg.htm>
601657;1396532278;antephialtic;yes, but it has utility.
601658;1396532281;VanCleef;its good that bitcoin is centralised to a few core devs
601659;1396532282;asciilifeform;antephialtic: what genuine bug has been patched since satoshi left ?
601660;1396532289;mircea_popescu;that's a case by case basis. in their case, it does not.
601661;1396532292;BingoBoingo;truffles: The topic is and has always been everything. It is unchanging
601662;1396532309;mircea_popescu;antephialtic in point of fact nobody sane uses their releases, most bitcoin is on .6 at the latest
601663;1396532311;antephialtic;asciilifeform: chain fork that happened
601664;1396532314;truffles;everything umk
601665;1396532322;mircea_popescu;in this sense, if they went home today, or if they went home in 2013, it'd have made no difference
601666;1396532326;mircea_popescu;this is the definition of not useful.
601667;1396532329;truffles;nice that everything is on 3 things though
601668;1396532345;mircea_popescu;<antephialtic> asciilifeform: chain fork that happened << it didn't "happen". mike hearn manufactured it.
601669;1396532349;mircea_popescu;the rest of them enabled it.
601670;1396532357;antephialtic;I disagree, P2SH is actually a big improvement in security by making multisig not a huge bitch to use
601671;1396532360;asciilifeform;i remember this. and thought that other people did, too.
601672;1396532378;mircea_popescu;antephialtic you're sliding the conversation all over the place.
601673;1396532402;antephialtic;well, my overall point (which you disagree with me on) is that the core devs provide value to all bitcoin users.
601674;1396532410;mircea_popescu;indeed, i fully disagree with that point.
601675;1396532413;BingoBoingo;I dunno that easy ECDSA multisig is a feature and not a "feature"
601676;1396532419;mircea_popescu;overall, they're a slight liability so far, and the trend is negative
601677;1396532429;mircea_popescu;they'll be a major liability this time next year, at the rate they're going.
601678;1396532439;asciilifeform;the core devs remind me of vagrants who pour water on cars at stoplights and then demand money for the 'wash.'
601679;1396532443;ThickAsThieves;i concur, i feel like they trailblazing in the dark toward a cliff
601680;1396532459;mircea_popescu;actually that's exactly it. vagrants with dirty rags at ny stop lights.
601681;1396532461;VanCleef;lol perfect description ascii
601682;1396532466;mircea_popescu;"they're useful", i nthe sense of mostly hungry.
601683;1396532481;ThickAsThieves;thats not to say that i think meaning isnt possible
601684;1396532485;ThickAsThieves;meaningful*
601685;1396532496;asciilifeform;'i washed yer car, pony up' - 'i might throw you a penny, but you should've used water, not piss'
601686;1396532506;antephialtic;heh.
601687;1396532537;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "what the fuck are you doing here ?" "washing your wife, what does it look like!" "get out! " "hey, you owe me fifty bucks"
601688;1396532543;antephialtic;but I do agree with you that conformal giving them some competition is a boon. I hope btcd becomes a fully viable alternative
601689;1396532559;antephialtic;(to the point where protocol additions/modifications can be implemented there first)
601690;1396532568;mircea_popescu;antephialtic and i agree with you[r unstated point] that they're too young yet to have shown they suck,
601691;1396532578;mircea_popescu;so the future is still largely unknown.
601692;1396532627;ThickAsThieves;last night, driving home, i see these large flashy signs saying "NARCOTICS CHECKPOINT"
601693;1396532639;ThickAsThieves;then tons of cop lights for a half-mile
601694;1396532645;ThickAsThieves;with people pulled over
601695;1396532650;ThickAsThieves;i wasnt pulled over
601696;1396532656;ThickAsThieves;but i do wonder hoe the fuck this works
601697;1396532661;ThickAsThieves;how*
601698;1396532679;ThickAsThieves;"Do you have drugs?" "No." "Carry on"  ?
601699;1396532692;mircea_popescu;outrageous.
601700;1396532732;ThickAsThieves;we are definitely overstaffed in this county
601701;1396532738;VanCleef;spread your cheeks and cough
601702;1396532771;mircea_popescu;;;later tell justusranvier http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2014#601622 prolly interest you.
601703;1396532771;gribble;The operation succeeded.
601704;1396532796;ThickAsThieves;is it an idiot trap? i mean all you do is say "is that an order?" "am i free to leave?" and that's it rigght?
601705;1396532819;mircea_popescu;i'd fucking sue the town.
601706;1396532830;ThickAsThieves;last weekend,
601707;1396532838;mircea_popescu;"you delayed me. pay up. you didn't pay up of your own accord. here's my lawyer. pay him too."
601708;1396532840;ThickAsThieves;they has a first-time craft beer festival
601709;1396532854;ThickAsThieves;partially promoted and organized by the city
601710;1396532855;ThickAsThieves;well,
601711;1396532876;ThickAsThieves;5 years ago the city had a nice new parking lot made near the area
601712;1396532888;ThickAsThieves;free every day all day
601713;1396532896;ThickAsThieves;then you go the event and it's all blocked off
601714;1396532901;ThickAsThieves;with someone collecting fees
601715;1396532909;ThickAsThieves;AND it was a pay event
601716;1396532918;ThickAsThieves;i dont get it...
601717;1396532937;VanCleef;dont they search your car?
601718;1396532946;VanCleef;if they wanted to
601719;1396532950;ThickAsThieves;so we pay for the lot, and when we need it most you charge us again?
601720;1396533034;BingoBoingo;Eh, the state universities in Illinois have this odd rule where parking must be financed separately from the university it is attached to
601721;1396533068;BingoBoingo;The end result is a desire to sit in the parking garage for a lecture rather than any of the lecture halls
601722;1396533154;mircea_popescu;;;later tell cads http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2014#601035 << where is this ?
601723;1396533154;gribble;The operation succeeded.
601724;1396533227;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'll say they learned vetrov's lesson when they quit winblows.
601725;1396533236;moiety;what an epic day! I can think straight again! *getting to keep my house a wee bit longer!
601726;1396533247;mircea_popescu;nah, they just changed how they did personnel . for the nth time.
601727;1396533254;asciilifeform;nato strategy for getting russians to eat shit, however, is brilliant - eat it themselves.
601728;1396533257;BingoBoingo;congrats moiety
601729;1396533258;mircea_popescu;homeless moiety ?!
601730;1396533262;asciilifeform;'they're eating it, why shouldn't we'
601731;1396533270;moiety;not yet mircea_popescu
601732;1396533272;*;moiety beams
601733;1396533279;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform brilliant is one way to call it...
601734;1396533282;moiety;thanks BingoBoingo :D
601735;1396533475;antephialtic;http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SECRET_CUBAN_TWITTER_ABRIDGED
601736;1396533475;ozbot;News from The Associated Press
601737;1396533490;antephialtic;"The U.S. government masterminded the creation of a "Cuban Twitter" - a communications network designed to undermine the communist government in Cuba, built with secret shell companies and financed through foreign banks, The Associated Press has learned."
601738;1396533578;moiety;let's celebrate with a manul: this is the face i mde at my landlord today https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1125248520/manul_profile.png
601739;1396533591;asciilifeform;where's the russian webturd for stirring unrest in the u.s.? why the neglect.
601740;1396533701;*;BingoBoingo wonders if the back ditch is going to be able to handle all of this rain without spilling it into the house
601741;1396533772;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I dunno that the russians need one/lack the discipline to conceal their involvement
601742;1396533807;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves "narcotics checkpoint" aka "seeing if there are any shady people on the road"... travelling in a car is second only to travelling by air with regard to how few rights you have
601743;1396533887;BingoBoingo;At least Max Keiser is going to get his ass kicked http://www.coindesk.com/londons-iconic-o2-venue-host-bitcoin-fight-night/
601744;1396533903;truffles;booo
601745;1396533915;VanCleef;how do you lose against a crack head tho?
601746;1396533949;moiety;BingoBoingo: i think this is worth a trip to london
601747;1396533979;nubbins`;mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348977.msg6052465#msg6052465
601748;1396533989;BingoBoingo;moiety: Maybe from scotland, it's what 15 minutes on a bicycle?
601749;1396534023;moiety;approx 8 hours via train, 12 via bus, 3 via plane
601750;1396534037;BingoBoingo;But they look so close on the map.
601751;1396534052;moiety;lolol probably cus you could fit britain into where you live XD
601752;1396534101;moiety;takes 5 hours just to drive tonewcastle form here
601753;1396534108;moiety;(making good time)
601754;1396534114;nubbins`;what's a plane ride cost, $1?
601755;1396534115;nubbins`;:D
601756;1396534140;jurov;where's bitcointa-lk firefox plugin?
601757;1396534146;moiety;lol not from this city £100+
601758;1396534160;moiety;it the only flight you can get i think nubbins` lol (to london)
601759;1396534170;nubbins`;heh
601760;1396534187;nubbins`;still. they wouldn't let you into the airport for £100 here
601761;1396534196;BingoBoingo;jurov: Github
601762;1396534205;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointa.lk/pages/browser-extension/
601763;1396534206;ozbot;Browser Extension | Bitcointa.lk
601764;1396534206;moiety;and its those shady wee 12 seater things
601765;1396534278;moiety;this is where i live (photographer friends pic) http://i.imgur.com/4CX29Ql.png
601766;1396534302;BingoBoingo;That's not a place... That's a dock or a bridge
601767;1396534338;moiety;http://i.imgur.com/R5K8TRh.png
601768;1396534346;moiety;we has both :D thats the city
601769;1396534391;BingoBoingo;Is that a volcano in the middle?
601770;1396534395;moiety;3 photographer friends have started an fb page withtheir pictures of the place, ivebeen stealing them all lol
601771;1396534397;moiety;yep
601772;1396534402;moiety;dormant
601773;1396534448;nubbins`;man. i've been trying to order medium black organic t-shirts for like a fuckin month
601774;1396534456;nubbins`;but they're always sold out of MEDIUM
601775;1396534462;nubbins`;all 5 warehouses
601776;1396534473;nubbins`;hundreds of all other sizes in stock
601777;1396534532;jurov;buy L and cook them?
601778;1396534564;jurov;and label them "pre-shrunk"
601779;1396534578;BingoBoingo;Buy small and call them fat?
601780;1396534612;moiety;lolol ^
601781;1396534666;nubbins`;heh.
601782;1396534678;nubbins`;well last time the customer just got a bunch of large
601783;1396534691;BingoBoingo;If you want to be polite about it you can call the smalls "fitted"
601784;1396534694;nubbins`;but this order, they're asking for 20 mediums in a 50-shirt order
601785;1396534714;nubbins`;i'm going to suggest charcoal grey instead of black
601786;1396534759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.063099 = 0.1262 BTC [+]
601787;1396534777;BingoBoingo;Maybe institute a bezzel where your "insurer" won't let you organic, because moths
601788;1396534785;nubbins`;heh
601789;1396534878;jurov;BingoBoingo: thx, I realized I can click the (Github) on their plugin page
601790;1396535006;BingoBoingo;jurov: welcome
601791;1396535021;nubbins`;one of the nicest smells is just after you finish grinding coffee beans
601792;1396535038;nubbins`;there's this brief whiff of co2-heavy air that comes out
601793;1396535042;nubbins`;only lasts a second or two
601794;1396535083;BingoBoingo;http://nypost.com/2014/04/03/alcoholic-court-stenographers-gibberish-imperils-guilty-verdicts/
601795;1396535084;ozbot;Rogue alcoholic court reporter kept writing ‘I hate my job’ | New York Post
601796;1396535177;nubbins`;always wondered why they don't keep voice recordings
601797;1396535208;asciilifeform;nubbins`: it's all part of the 'rule of law' bullshit, where they get to decide that certain things never happened
601798;1396535221;asciilifeform;or that tone of voice never happened (SOP) etc.
601799;1396535228;nubbins`;"Strike those comments from the record!" / "rewind the tape 30 seconds!"
601800;1396535236;BingoBoingo;Also text doesn't convey the judge's drunk sluring
601801;1396535247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04400042 = 0.308 BTC [-] {4} 
601802;1396535248;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05791428 = 0.4054 BTC [+] {4} 
601803;1396535249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-] {4} 
601804;1396535250;asciilifeform;yeah but then, unless an expert monkey walks the recording, it becomes obvious
601805;1396535253;asciilifeform;that something was snipped
601806;1396535265;asciilifeform;'the memory hole'
601807;1396535278;asciilifeform;only really works well with text
601808;1396535301;nubbins`;for shame
601809;1396535311;nubbins`;stenography shorthand, fascinating
601810;1396535918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06060114 = 0.4848 BTC [-]
601811;1396535930;mircea_popescu;nubbins` lol pretty epic
601812;1396536027;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348977.msg6053033#msg6053033
601813;1396536028;ozbot;This is the story of your loss.
601814;1396536030;nubbins`;straight troll now ;(
601815;1396536040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00096 = 9.168 BTC [+]
601816;1396536274;antephialtic;"Marcel Popescu"
601817;1396536276;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the best america : http://www.thedailysheeple.com/venezuela-enforces-fingerprint-registry-to-buy-groceries-what-to-do-before-rationing-starts-in-america_042014
601818;1396536303;antephialtic;is that your french cousin?
601819;1396536326;mircea_popescu;i have no idea ?
601820;1396536344;mircea_popescu;you'll have to take me slowly, my forum reports stopped coming in. i have no fucking idea.
601821;1396536353;pankkake;wow, venezuela is scary. I fear it's the future of France :(
601822;1396536355;nubbins`;"People who go shopping every day hurt us all"
601823;1396536359;nubbins`;^ pretty lucid
601824;1396536363;pankkake;and I'm a hoarder already
601825;1396536363;Apocalyptic;might as well be pankkake
601826;1396536378;mircea_popescu;pankkake the not so distant future.
601827;1396536383;nubbins`;you're not a hoarder, you're a nervous buyer.
601828;1396536392;Apocalyptic;but Sapin is gonna save you all
601829;1396536408;nubbins`;anyway, just pointing out the name of the website that article is posted on
601830;1396536415;pankkake;Now, think about those “loyalty cards� that every grocery store in North America promotes when you go through the checkout.
601831;1396536430;nubbins`;"the daily sheeple" -- almost as cringe-worthy as the Frank & Oak ads
601832;1396536431;pankkake;eh, this is actually true, loyalty cards just got financially interesting this year
601833;1396536452;mircea_popescu;they had them since the 80s
601834;1396536465;mircea_popescu;one of buffett's first businesses was some discount stamp operation.
601835;1396536488;nubbins`;"Food Minister Felix Osorio said the process was off to a smooth start. He says the system will sound an alarm when it detects suspicious purchasing patterns, ensuring that less-than-honest customers will be beaten to death by the angry mob that surrounds them"
601836;1396536502;pankkake;stores I go to had like 0.03% savings, now it's 5%
601837;1396536504;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha
601838;1396536528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00095961 = 22.7907 BTC [-] {2} 
601839;1396536531;Apocalyptic;pankkake, have you seen http://www.lecontrarien.com/scoop-faites-comme-le-nouveau-ministre-de-leconomie-rien-a-la-banque-tout-en-actifs-tangibles-03-04-2014-edito ?
601840;1396536546;Apocalyptic;pretty lulzy
601841;1396536549;mircea_popescu;venezuela, set to become first country without inequality. "in our stores, nobody buys nuttin'" one county comissioner stated.
601842;1396536553;pankkake;lol, no haven't seen
601843;1396536565;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic you french too ?
601844;1396536594;Apocalyptic;i have lived in France for a decent time
601845;1396536605;nubbins`;"maybe if we give EVERYONE a job toting a rifle around a grocery store..."
601846;1396536613;ThickAsThieves;;;estimate
601847;1396536614;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | 5987463980.93 based on data since last change | 6793092876.89 based on data for last three days
601848;1396536620;ThickAsThieves;burly
601849;1396536634;mircea_popescu;ah i c.
601850;1396536642;nubbins`;anyway the funny thing about these "sheeple" / "SHTF" websites is that they offer advice that would have been perceived as obvious and sensible a generation or two ago
601851;1396536655;moiety;nubbins`: I'm free for work....lol
601852;1396536665;nubbins`;"plant a garden" / "eat local food" / "store long-term food supplies"
601853;1396536667;nubbins`;etc
601854;1396536690;ThickAsThieves;ah the GOOG finally split
601855;1396536701;nubbins`;modern dum-dums read this and say "lel what are you worried about"
601856;1396536707;mircea_popescu;nubbins` indeed. which is the genius of it, they just copy/paste old almanacs
601857;1396536713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
601858;1396536714;nubbins`;yup.
601859;1396536723;Apocalyptic;pankkake, the declaration has actually been removed from the official website this morning
601860;1396536736;nubbins`;it's amazing how quickly a society forgets
601861;1396536736;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
601862;1396536744;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/WrLl6wn.gif cat ftw.
601863;1396536744;Apocalyptic;just noticed the update, it's so good
601864;1396536766;rithm;i thought everything bitcoin-related was a scam
601865;1396536772;nubbins`;rithm it is
601866;1396536780;rithm;ahh k
601867;1396536797;nubbins`;bummer, huh?
601868;1396536811;thestringpuller;http://moneymorning.com/ext/articles/bitcoin/36-cities-in-20-states-abandon-the-dollar.php?iris=183550&utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=cpm&utm_content=ko1&utm_campaign=bitcoin
601869;1396536850;mircea_popescu;ah come on
601870;1396536861;mircea_popescu;nubbins` your face's a scam
601871;1396536870;nubbins`;thestringpuller: "What is replacing the dollar in these U.S. cities and companies? Watch this fuckin video to find out because we can't be bothered to just tell you"
601872;1396536885;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: how else am i supposed to beguile the ladies?
601873;1396536892;mircea_popescu;darn.
601874;1396536894;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.04265959 = 1.0665 BTC [-] {6} 
601875;1396536909;Asa9;nice cat gif
601876;1396536925;mircea_popescu;Asa9 now that cat definitely's a scam
601877;1396536940;nubbins`;heh.
601878;1396536954;nubbins`;cat is running a fractional reserve
601879;1396536956;numerisTrade;/j #ripple
601880;1396536974;nubbins`;"nonono i totally have a dozen eggs, just come back tomorrow"
601881;1396536975;mircea_popescu;well... a fractional chicken serve, anyway.
601882;1396537020;nubbins`;"DID YOUR CITY JUST DUMP THE DOLLAR?"
601883;1396537034;antephialtic;"Neo&Bee only failed because it wasn't a DAC."
601884;1396537040;nubbins`;i feel like i should post a link from an alarmist end-of-times website to fit in
601885;1396537044;mircea_popescu;"our city dump is already overfull. we can't dump no dollar"
601886;1396537069;nubbins`;i came across one of these a while ago: http://www.zwiggystradetokens.com/1983-st-johns-trade-token-gilbert-dollar-p-1219.html
601887;1396537076;mircea_popescu;nubbins` like http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Your-Boyfriend-Think-You're-Cute ?
601888;1396537097;mircea_popescu;note the fucking tranny opening cartoon
601889;1396537127;nubbins`;heh
601890;1396537138;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 25 @ 0.05889992 = 1.4725 BTC [+] {2} 
601891;1396537142;nubbins`;keep #2, throw out the rest
601892;1396537152;nubbins`;altho TBF if you're not naturally confident, faking it ain't gonna work
601893;1396537181;mircea_popescu;confident is not cute.
601894;1396537187;mircea_popescu;submissive is cute, and that's hard to fake.
601895;1396537196;mircea_popescu;"Make sure you take a shower,wash your hair, body, feet, etc"
601896;1396537197;nubbins`;oh, shit, we're going for "cute"
601897;1396537203;mircea_popescu;sometimes i wonder where in africa is this us of a.
601898;1396537230;nubbins`;speaking of cute, my wife bought a pair of these insane leggings:
601899;1396537230;nubbins`;http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0115/5832/products/AT-Finn_JakeLegs-5-WEB_1024x1024.png?v=1384144933
601900;1396537254;mircea_popescu;"Don't wear some booty shorts that make your butt hang out, low cut shirts, really tight clothing, or sheer clothing. Hanging all your stuff out isn't cute, it's gross. Be modest."
601901;1396537261;mircea_popescu;apparently, some muslim part of africa at any rate.
601902;1396537274;nubbins`;"wear floor-length skirts and turtleneck sweaters"
601903;1396537286;nubbins`;http://www.theonion.com/articles/suburban-mom-wows-family-with-most-androgynous-loo,34397/
601904;1396537286;ozbot;Suburban Mom Wows Family With Most Androgynous Look Yet | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
601905;1396537287;mircea_popescu;how to "accidentally" get shot, a guide. #1 : "Randomly poke him in his stomach, arm, or face. "
601906;1396537332;mircea_popescu;"Randomly look at him and say you're a flirt. Make sure you sound playfully and sweet. Surely you two will get in a play argument about who is a bigger flirt."
601907;1396537336;mircea_popescu;ah these wikis are so great.
601908;1396537462;nubbins`;"AUU MAI GAUUEDDDD AIIM SUCH A FLUUUURRRT"
601909;1396537469;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/aantonooooop/status/451722966749827073
601910;1396537469;ozbot;Twitter / aantonooooop: If @Mircea_Popescu is the ...
601911;1396537481;mircea_popescu;someone made a "fake andreas".
601912;1396537488;mircea_popescu;question that remains is who the fuck is the real andreas.
601913;1396537492;mircea_popescu;please stand up.
601914;1396537511;pankkake;oh that's where the "Neo&Bee only failed because it wasn't a DAC." is from
601915;1396537544;pankkake;haha it's pure genius
601916;1396537610;kakobrekla;a digital to analogue converter? i dun get it.
601917;1396537632;pankkake;Decentralized Autonomous Corporation
601918;1396537653;nubbins`;hm, considering making a bet about whether HIF will pay a dividend on schedule
601919;1396537657;kakobrekla;stupid acronym
601920;1396537665;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla some reddit derps took mpex contracts, threw out most of the good bits [they didn';t understood] and "branded it"
601921;1396537671;mircea_popescu;now they'll be forever remembered
601922;1396537676;kakobrekla;orly
601923;1396537697;mircea_popescu;as those reddit derps that tried to name something they stole but not actually understood in a futile attempt to be forever remembered that nevertheless sorta worked
601924;1396537698;Asa9;omg THE goldstein of bitcoin!
601925;1396537700;mircea_popescu;for a year or so
601926;1396537733;Asa9;an honor sir!
601927;1396537754;kakobrekla;;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet
601928;1396537755;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
601929;1396537758;kakobrekla;meh
601930;1396537767;mircea_popescu;it's not a bad thing to be, tbh. if the choice is that book, the only other option is the chick when young
601931;1396537774;mircea_popescu;and i dun wanna be a chick, even should she be young.
601932;1396537797;kakobrekla;;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet
601933;1396537798;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user turbo_ac100 has been recorded.
601934;1396537834;mircea_popescu;so why da fuck does nobody go "omg s.nsa must post pics we do not believe this" ?
601935;1396537853;asciilifeform;perhaps they were put to sleep by the first set of pics.
601936;1396537867;asciilifeform;do people even like to look at printed circuits any more?
601937;1396537877;mircea_popescu;sucks to be me
601938;1396537885;mircea_popescu;i wish i could be marcel popescu of the forums instead
601939;1396537900;pankkake;no the only thing that matters is the PCB color
601940;1396537901;asciilifeform;i'm twirling a brand new one in my fingers now. what a beautiful crystallized piece of civilization this bugger is.
601941;1396537934;asciilifeform;think of all of the engineering sweat that goes into the tech (not to mention little chinese girls denied toilet breaks)
601942;1396537960;nubbins`;i base my tech purchases on the amount of pee being held in by the people making the item in question
601943;1396537992;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0608355 = 1.2167 BTC [+] {2} 
601944;1396538000;nubbins`;generally this is unknowable so it's been a while since i bought anything new
601945;1396538000;Asa9;bladder augmentation
601946;1396538010;mircea_popescu;well here's the pic anyway : http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-march-2014-statement/ (grep for ps)
601947;1396538017;mircea_popescu;tho you really don't deserve it.
601948;1396538017;asciilifeform;to be fair, i understand why skeptics don't care much for photos now.
601949;1396538026;asciilifeform;photo doesn't prove that a widget functions as promised.
601950;1396538045;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you fail miserably your punishment will be to dwell on the forums for two years.
601951;1396538056;mircea_popescu;guaranteed to change the way you look at ... i dunno, a glass of water.
601952;1396538074;nubbins`;sexy boards
601953;1396538086;nubbins`;i can only imagine what lies beneath the sticker
601954;1396538089;asciilifeform;nubbins`: these are i/o panels.
601955;1396538090;mircea_popescu;YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SEE IT S FAKE BY THE PIXELS
601956;1396538100;mircea_popescu;omfg i need another internet.
601957;1396538164;asciilifeform;i like how the 'customs inspection' time of this crap is... 10 minutes.
601958;1396538205;asciilifeform;and yes, the sticker tells the truth, afaik - these came out of the plating baths on 4/1.
601959;1396538212;nubbins`;have you guys figured out packaging/documentation/instructions/etc for these little beasts yet?
601960;1396538215;antephialtic;you gotta have today's newspaper in the background of the pic
601961;1396538221;mircea_popescu;nubbins` not fully.
601962;1396538262;asciilifeform;nubbins`: ask a fellow who owns a kalashnikov. did it come with instructions?
601963;1396538277;asciilifeform;'this side towards enemy'
601964;1396538282;mircea_popescu;i do think he has a point, we'll have to figure it out
601965;1396538289;mircea_popescu;even if the figuring ends up being "fu go away"
601966;1396538315;asciilifeform;in all seriousness, i intend to print 'cardano - design & operation' in dead tree, for a few lucky folks
601967;1396538339;mircea_popescu;with illustrations
601968;1396538345;dignork;https://www.ar15.com/content/webPDF/AK47USArmyOperatorManual.pdf
601969;1396538346;asciilifeform;and commented sources.
601970;1396538348;mircea_popescu;"cardano, the missing manul" ?
601971;1396538349;nubbins`;well, y'know kids these days. nice packaging + a couple of "unboxing videos" = more sales
601972;1396538368;asciilifeform;on the nato side,
601973;1396538369;asciilifeform;http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu277/WolfTrack_album/ForIdiots.jpg
601974;1396538392;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you ever seen the landmines ?
601975;1396538396;mike_c;<kakobrekla> ;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet << for everybody who asks "how to i get wot ratings".  here's one way.
601976;1396538396;mircea_popescu;"this end towards enemy"
601977;1396538398;asciilifeform;claymore
601978;1396538408;asciilifeform;russian version, afaik, lacks the helpful tip.
601979;1396538420;nubbins`;lel
601980;1396538427;asciilifeform;nm
601981;1396538428;asciilifeform;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Non_armed_mon50_anti-personnel_clustermine.jpg
601982;1396538431;asciilifeform;there it is.
601983;1396538444;asciilifeform;'к противнику'
601984;1396538462;mircea_popescu;potrivnicii hahaha
601985;1396538474;mircea_popescu;"potrivnic" means opponent in romanian
601986;1396538481;antephialtic;ascilifeform: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/AK-47_Operator's_Manual
601987;1396538500;antephialtic;whoops, didn't see someone had already posted
601988;1396538502;asciilifeform;what do you know. everything has a manual.
601989;1396538508;asciilifeform;probably even army spoon.
601990;1396538520;dignork;toilet paper?
601991;1396538526;mircea_popescu;"do not chew"
601992;1396538561;mircea_popescu;nubbins` lol marsellus.
601993;1396538566;nubbins`;:D
601994;1396538569;mircea_popescu;i shall be mp aka marsellus goldstein
601995;1396538570;nubbins`;marsellus popescuus
601996;1396538572;andreas_;https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/emFvrWIk
601997;1396538572;ozbot;Pastebin: emFvrWIk | IRCCloud
601998;1396538580;asciilifeform;find a silica gel packet that came with electronic parts. mine here is printed: 'do not eat.'
601999;1396538588;chetty;British Army TP used to say "on her majesties service" on each sheet
602000;1396538594;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i saw some "do not feed to children"
602001;1396538604;mircea_popescu;chetty ahahahaah
602002;1396538607;nubbins`;"do not insert genitals into blender"
602003;1396538609;mircea_popescu;probably for stress relieving
602004;1396538623;Asa9;lol
602005;1396538700;asciilifeform;re: trolls, pcb photos, and skepticism: i'm waiting for the clever idiots. 'you stuffed winblows in there'
602006;1396538763;mircea_popescu;there's sadly no middle class idiocy. people are either very dumb or passibly smart.
602007;1396538770;nubbins`;all-black packaging plz
602008;1396538775;mircea_popescu;i wonder how the hell this works out in practice, it's out and out antistatistical.
602009;1396538777;nubbins`;classy
602010;1396538781;asciilifeform;i have this (perhaps false?) memory that the net used to contain clever idiots.
602011;1396538789;moiety;http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/31/toilet-paper-that-costs-150-a-plop-erm-i-mean-pop-4684394/
602012;1396538795;mircea_popescu;i think it may be more of an artefact of your age asciilifeform
602013;1396538797;asciilifeform;maybe they all OD'd on aol stock in the '90s or something
602014;1396538804;mircea_popescu;when you were a kid things maybe looked taller.
602015;1396538809;asciilifeform;possibly.
602016;1396538830;nubbins`;this is why i don't re-watch movies i enjoyed as a kid
602017;1396538840;mircea_popescu;^
602018;1396538845;mike_c;some hold up though.
602019;1396538847;mircea_popescu;i sometimes do, but it's always a debate.
602020;1396538851;nubbins`;the scattered one, yes
602021;1396538854;asciilifeform;hilariously, virtually all the folks who read my blog think i must be at least 50y.o.
602022;1396538858;nubbins`;the dark crystal vs the mask
602023;1396538862;mircea_popescu;i rewatched jungle book and i was completely underwhelmed
602024;1396538877;mircea_popescu;(as a kid, i could not understand english, so it was all splendid gibledygook to me)
602025;1396538883;asciilifeform;russian prison proverb - 'do not return to the place where you had joy'
602026;1396538894;mike_c;does the dark crystal hold up?  i would be nervous to watch again because i loved it as a kid.
602027;1396538900;nubbins`;mike_c yeah
602028;1396538913;mircea_popescu;you two may be different people, as a psa.
602029;1396538916;nubbins`;skeksis are still fucking badass
602030;1396538919;asciilifeform;could not understand english, so it was all splendid gibledygook to me << that was me, watching american animation on bootled vhs, in '90.
602031;1396538924;mike_c;heh. awesome
602032;1396538934;asciilifeform;*bootleg
602033;1396538956;pankkake;BFL sends me a mail with… this image: https://gallery.mailchimp.com/5015fc3486176144c53751877/images/take_my_bitcoins_logo.png
602034;1396538964;nubbins`;there's something nice about watching a movie in a language you don't understand, though
602035;1396538971;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty much yeah :D
602036;1396538978;nubbins`;the first time i saw pan's labyrinth was spanish audio with korean subtitles
602037;1396539000;rithm;take_my_bitcoins_logo.png trollmode over9000
602038;1396539007;nubbins`;pankkake so does this mean they're offering refunds...?
602039;1396539019;mircea_popescu;nubbins` watch spielen wir liebe then.
602040;1396539022;mircea_popescu;guaranteed trip.
602041;1396539067;rithm;so NEOBEE or is that yesterday's lolercoaster
602042;1396539091;mircea_popescu;NewBie shall return! from ashes!
602043;1396539095;rithm;"people are threatening me everything is mysterious let's be vague on bitscumtalk"
602044;1396539110;asciilifeform;is there a short/sweet sum-up somewhere of wtf 'neobee' was?
602045;1396539127;asciilifeform;the way it looks to me, it's replay of 'pirate' ?
602046;1396539133;kakobrekla;from some guy: > Upon review of your Bitstamp account we have to notify you that your verification documents do not meet our verification standards.
602047;1396539133;mircea_popescu;bitscumtalk lol
602048;1396539145;rithm;sonething something ipo physical location cryptocurrency
602049;1396539146;mircea_popescu;this reminds me of the weird homoerotic teenager party game
602050;1396539151;kakobrekla;after he has been verified.
602051;1396539158;nubbins`;asciilifeform the general consensus is that btc flowed from "investors" through tat to neo to cypriot advertisers who kicked back to neo
602052;1396539161;nubbins`;or something
602053;1396539189;asciilifeform;was 'neobee' ever more than of 'entomological' interest to thinking folks?
602054;1396539191;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla verifications reverify every fie.
602055;1396539193;rithm;everything is the same oops your money is gone pirate replay
602056;1396539211;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform originally it claimed, without substantiation, that it may be. so thinking folks originally reserved judgement
602057;1396539214;rithm;it's the exit strategy of the world. no accountability
602058;1396539238;rithm;erm except MPEx tho
602059;1396539243;rithm;couch couch
602060;1396539247;rithm;*cough
602061;1396539264;nubbins`;was just gonna say, nsa/mg are the only btc corps i can think of that didn't immediately blow their fuckin wad on salaries
602062;1396539282;mircea_popescu;how scandalous this must be.
602063;1396539291;nubbins`;imagine, startups that are more interested in making things than drawing a fat paycheque
602064;1396539298;rithm;crqazy talk
602065;1396539306;mircea_popescu;YOU MUST GROW FAST
602066;1396539308;rithm;step one is buy the gulfstream
602067;1396539318;rithm;step two is learn to fly
602068;1396539324;nubbins`;as owner of a small business, i'm amused by how eager most "companies" in this space are to spend money
602069;1396539349;nubbins`;pink eye didn't pay out a dime in wages for our first 2 years
602070;1396539358;nubbins`;even now, it's minimum wage for billable hours only
602071;1396539368;rithm;step three smile, shake hands, take monies, talk smart <---that's all one step
602072;1396539368;asciilifeform;i've spent ~2 btc, so far.
602073;1396539377;*;nubbins` genuinely applauds alf
602074;1396539378;Apocalyptic;<nubbins`> as owner of a small business, i'm amused by how eager most "companies" in this space are to spend money << amazes me as well
602075;1396539379;mircea_popescu;more like 1.6
602076;1396539395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10915 @ 0.00010999 = 1.2005 BTC [+] {3} 
602077;1396539410;rithm;step four abscond with monies
602078;1396539418;rithm;step five $$$
602079;1396539420;nubbins`;"let's open an office with neon signs and track lighting and wood panelling and GLASS EVERYWHERE"
602080;1396539426;nubbins`;"we can afford to do this for a couple of weeks"
602081;1396539434;asciilifeform;to be fair, i did blow $xxxx of lunch money modernizing my bench. but that's not an s.nsa expense item.
602082;1396539478;nubbins`;aha! so remember those shit plastisol inks that were "donated" to us, and were unusable, and the dump wouldn't take?
602083;1396539487;nubbins`;convinced the asshole donators to take 'em back
602084;1396539489;*;nubbins` cackles
602085;1396539585;rithm;how about those shiny new GOOGL class C's
602086;1396539617;VanCleef;goes well with a segway
602087;1396539635;mircea_popescu;i'd take a two year put on google/bitcoin
602088;1396539644;mircea_popescu;the problem is that fucking market has no liquidity whatsoever
602089;1396539653;mircea_popescu;perhaps due to the fact everyone knows fiat is fucked.
602090;1396539773;rithm;the fungibility of bitcoin decimal units is the only thing that can bail anyone out of trillions in debt
602091;1396539798;asciilifeform;VanCleef: segway goes well with... cliffs.
602092;1396539806;asciilifeform;;;google segway cliff
602093;1396539807;gribble;Segway tycoon Jimi Heselden dies in cliff plunge on one of his own ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315518/Segway-tycoon-Jimi-Heselden-dies-cliff-plunge-scooters.html>; Jimi Heselden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimi_Heselden>; Segway company owner rides scooter off cliff, dies - NBC News: <http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39377851/ns (1 more message)
602094;1396539807;rithm;i'm counting down the days until zombies myself
602095;1396539816;rithm;spend a little time each night sharpening my axe
602096;1396539847;asciilifeform;rithm: everyone knows you sharpen a sapper's spade for zombies, not axe.
602097;1396539924;rithm;your legs are strong, and you're so, so long and you don't come from this town
602098;1396539926;mircea_popescu;i wonder if zombies give better head.
602099;1396539942;rithm;if you use a machete sure
602100;1396539943;mircea_popescu;seeing how crackheads aren't so bad, and that'd seem the next ogical step
602101;1396539969;mod6;crackheads have less teef, not sure about zombies.
602102;1396540027;mircea_popescu;if zombies have teef they're probably a) not theirs and b) lodged in their backs etc.
602103;1396540036;rithm;mircea_popescu seems like the type to bareback a zombie
602104;1396540042;rithm;idk
602105;1396540052;*;nubbins` blinks
602106;1396540058;nubbins`;that's a sapper's spade?
602107;1396540061;nubbins`;i have one of those
602108;1396540095;nubbins`;it was called a "camping shovel"
602109;1396540117;mod6;entrenching tool
602110;1396540128;mod6;many uses
602111;1396540169;asciilifeform;http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/01.html
602112;1396540312;mike_c;rithm: google is learning from mpex :)  more non-voting shares!
602113;1396540317;nubbins`;was always curious about the serrated edge
602114;1396540324;nubbins`;eventually decided it was for tree roots
602115;1396540328;mod6;nice asciilifeform
602116;1396540379;mircea_popescu;buffett actually made the observation sometime in the 80s that their nonvoting shares turned out to be more valuable than their voting shares
602117;1396540387;mircea_popescu;and starting detaching selling off his voting rights
602118;1396540415;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the land of the desperate, "Facing the success of Anna Tatu's Valentine banners, we have redesigned them & removed the reference to "Valentine". Now you can use them all year long!"
602119;1396540436;nubbins`;TATU
602120;1396540447;nubbins`;sorry, t.A.T.u.
602121;1396540448;VanCleef;whatever happened to those chicks?
602122;1396540457;nubbins`;not sure, very popular in korea when i was there
602123;1396540467;nubbins`;entire discog available in every karaoke room
602124;1396540474;VanCleef;sickness
602125;1396540485;asciilifeform;nubbins`: incl. 'yugoslavia' ?
602126;1396540492;mircea_popescu;nubbins` they came of age and so were no longer interesting to pedos ?
602127;1396540502;mircea_popescu;http://redblow.com/stuff/anna-tatu-naked-in-grocery-shop/anna-tatu-11.jpg < that's her anyway.
602128;1396540519;nubbins`;asciilifeform that's the one song name i remember
602129;1396540559;mircea_popescu;they had a "things she said" one, i dun recall the yugoslavia bit
602130;1396540567;mircea_popescu;not being around at the time.
602131;1396540569;nubbins`;booze in the grocery store
602132;1396540572;nubbins`;things you don't see here
602133;1396540579;mircea_popescu;nubbins` europe is actually free.
602134;1396540591;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tdf3gEHZgo
602135;1396540591;ozbot;t.A.T.u. - Yugoslavia - YouTube
602136;1396540592;asciilifeform;that one.
602137;1396540600;asciilifeform;(english subs)
602138;1396540606;nubbins`;mircea_popescu more common here is to have a full liquor store attached to the grocery store
602139;1396540624;mircea_popescu;"Kochanski’s botched transcripts include the 2010 mortgage-fraud trial of Aaron Hand, who was also convicted of trying to hire a hit man to take out a witness against him."
602140;1396540644;mircea_popescu;someone should conduct a study of "how many times did the prosecution claim hitman to try and get a tough case past the jury"
602141;1396540679;asciilifeform;having been on a u.s. jury, i'll say that it ought to be enough to cure anyone of 'rule of law' delusion.
602142;1396540686;nubbins`;https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Sobeys/@47.567024,-52.716654,2a,90y,90t/data=!3m5!1e2!3m3!1shttps:%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2F-ybKcOwZQd1I%2FUlP3czrACGI%2FAAAAAAAAAio%2Fn56IgQQyHPQ%2Fs203%2F2013-10-08!2e4!3e12!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xdc3cfa9c288b7d43!6m1!1e1
602143;1396540686;ozbot;Google Maps
602144;1396540692;nubbins`;...now that's a link
602145;1396540695;mircea_popescu;o ? how did it go ?
602146;1396540737;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.50703232 BTC to 4`992 shares, 50221 satoshi per share
602147;1396540751;asciilifeform;it was a petty theft case, long ago. some bugger was evicted from an apartment, and his belongings were carried out by a set of hired hands. one of whom stole a garbage bag full of pron. also containing a (usg-issued) laptop.
602148;1396540765;jurov;nubbins` here you can see small grocery attached to liquor store instead xD
602149;1396540767;asciilifeform;the latter had the mandatory bios rootkit, and 'called home'
602150;1396540772;nubbins`;:D
602151;1396540787;asciilifeform;but none of this is interesting. the educational bit is how the trials actually go
602152;1396540789;nubbins`;generally you only see booze and groceries in the same store when you visit rural areas
602153;1396540795;turbo_ac100;mike_c: well for the first one it seems reasonable to me. Maybe because I don't know too much about WOT :P
602154;1396540806;asciilifeform;e.g. both sides will stipulate something (said something being obvious crock of shit) to be 'fact' and go from there
602155;1396540810;nubbins`;altho this varies by province. quebec famously sells wine in gas stations
602156;1396540820;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's adversarial system with you.
602157;1396540828;nubbins`;here in newfoundland, every corner store and gas station sells beer, but no wine/booze
602158;1396540830;asciilifeform;ended in a mistrial, and the next set of jury chumpers naturally won't be told anything, everyone pretends the 1st go never happened, etc.
602159;1396540832;mircea_popescu;not necessarily anything wrong with it, is there ?
602160;1396540879;nubbins`;i was an alternate juror once, never ended up being needed
602161;1396540890;asciilifeform;adversarial system... not necessarily anything wrong with it << i'd rather they skipped straight to trial by chainsaw combat
602162;1396540898;asciilifeform;same result, more honest, cheaper.
602163;1396540905;mircea_popescu;no but bear with me a minute.
602164;1396540914;mircea_popescu;each side stipulates a crock of shit as fact and they go from there.
602165;1396540916;nubbins`;selection process was interesting. domestic assault trial, defendant turned away every female juror until his limit was up
602166;1396540923;asciilifeform;ah yes!
602167;1396540923;mircea_popescu;this seems intellecrtually quite respectable no ?
602168;1396540925;asciilifeform;voir dire
602169;1396540931;asciilifeform;it's a circus all its own.
602170;1396540946;mircea_popescu;i may be the only person here that actually appreciates common law.
602171;1396540947;asciilifeform;they systematically banish anyone with the slightest inkling of a clue from the room
602172;1396540953;nubbins`;^
602173;1396540960;asciilifeform;i've been to four of these
602174;1396540968;asciilifeform;one time got picked. they ran out of 'strikes'
602175;1396540987;nubbins`;it was fun seeing people trying to get out of jury duty
602176;1396540994;nubbins`;"no b'y i gotta work"
602177;1396541041;nubbins`;st. john's being a city of less than 200k people, two of the jurors were excused because their sons played soccer with the prosecutor's son
602178;1396541055;Apocalyptic;lol
602179;1396541104;mircea_popescu;"my ex used to date his brother's ex your honor"
602180;1396541114;asciilifeform;trials were probably more interesting in the days of 'peine forte et dure' etc.
602181;1396541138;asciilifeform;i'ma ask for me lisp machine to be brought to my peine forte et dure.
602182;1396541155;asciilifeform;60kg.
602183;1396541214;mircea_popescu;wywialm best way to figure out wtf atc is is to grep the logs for it.
602184;1396541258;mike_c;;;later tell turbo_ac100 i think it is quite reasonable.  i was presenting it as a good example of how to get rated.
602185;1396541259;gribble;The operation succeeded.
602186;1396541297;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
602187;1396541299;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 447.31, Best ask: 447.34, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 447.31, 24 hour volume: 30559.63876518, 24 hour low: 416.11, 24 hour high: 457.36, 24 hour vwap: 439.818273209
602188;1396541305;mircea_popescu;;;calc 314.59764223*439.818273209
602189;1396541306;gribble;138365.791761
602190;1396541311;mircea_popescu;;;google brk-a
602191;1396541312;gribble;BRK-A: Summary for Berkshire Hathaway Inc. Common - Yahoo ...: <http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BRK-A>; Berkshire Hathaway Inc.: NYSE:BRK.A quotes & news - Google ...: <http://www.google.com/finance?cid=4376>; BRKA - Berkshire Hathaway Inc Stock quote - CNNMoney.com: <http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=BRKA>
602192;1396541337;mircea_popescu;;;calc 186199.00 / 138365.791761
602193;1396541337;gribble;1.34570111319
602194;1396541340;mircea_popescu;tsk tsk.
602195;1396541343;mircea_popescu;ahead by 35%
602196;1396541348;asciilifeform;re: voir dire: it often gets ridiculous. 'who here was a policeman? lawyer? once knew a policeman? once saw a policeman?'
602197;1396541371;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but WHY do you say it's ridiculous ?
602198;1396541379;bounce;what's wrong with institutions that $person dies, $institution dies is preferrable?
602199;1396541404;asciilifeform;bounce: nothing is wrong with this. because new caesars can be born.
602200;1396541438;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you should see, with your own eyes, who is left at the end of this procedure.
602201;1396541470;asciilifeform;i did see - by sheer accident.
602202;1396541471;bounce;to every ceasar there's a bunch of fscktards and even more mediocre guys holding down the place
602203;1396541492;mircea_popescu;i have participated
602204;1396541496;bounce;I don't really see a difference here, except much less continuity
602205;1396541502;mircea_popescu;on the strategist end of things, ie, picking who to throw off.
602206;1396541520;asciilifeform;that must've been puddles of fun.
602207;1396541523;mircea_popescu;sure.
602208;1396541578;asciilifeform;i assume everyone has seen the 'peoples of walmart' crap. well, that's who gets to sit on the jury.
602209;1396541634;bounce;wasn't it "a few good men" where the hot shot lawyer guy urged to keep the nigger because of his nicely shined shoes?
602210;1396541710;bounce;though I may well be misremembering. what a jury needs at a military trial is a bit of fridge logic.
602211;1396541723;Mats_cd03;"Adversarial system"? Who are you, Scalia?
602212;1396541725;asciilifeform;fridge logic ?
602213;1396541746;asciilifeform;and since when does a military trial use a jury ?
602214;1396541761;bounce;;;google fridge logic tvtropes
602215;1396541761;gribble;Main/Fridge Logic - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeLogic>; Main/Fridge Brilliance - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeBrilliance>; Main/Fridge Horror - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeHorror>
602216;1396541762;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but this doesn;t work for your arghument, it works against it.
602217;1396541769;mircea_popescu;the people of wallmart thing
602218;1396541771;Mats_cd03;courts martial
602219;1396541787;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 apparently.
602220;1396541790;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ?
602221;1396541820;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the fact that the jury is selected for stupidity does not on the face support the theory that the trial is ineffectual.
602222;1396541836;Mats_cd03;e.g. a flag officer under courts martial gets a jury of his peers (other flag officers - generals)
602223;1396541848;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 apparently i'm marsellus goldstern scalia.
602224;1396541892;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you did the exact same thing when you made cardano designs : selected the parts for stupidity.
602225;1396541895;mircea_popescu;well... goose, gander.
602226;1396541896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63808 @ 0.00096078 = 61.3055 BTC [+] {3} 
602227;1396541901;Mats_cd03;dongsellus dongstern donglia
602228;1396541908;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is certainly effective for... a purpose. just not the stated one - 'findings of fact'
602229;1396541914;mircea_popescu;why not ?
602230;1396541925;mircea_popescu;and it's "findings of fact AS THEY PERTAIN TO THE CASE"
602231;1396541931;mircea_popescu;it's not an apollo expedition.
602232;1396541970;Mats_cd03;its my greatest disappointment in life
602233;1396541972;bounce;who'd find facts in an apollo capsule anyway?
602234;1396541976;asciilifeform;well over here they also have an interesting legal concept, 'plea bargain'
602235;1396541979;Mats_cd03;that ill never be able to traverse the stars
602236;1396541990;asciilifeform;where 99% of the accused plead guilty to some largely-fictional charge
602237;1396542001;mircea_popescu;plea bargains and juries are not really much related thi
602238;1396542013;asciilifeform;but they go great together.
602239;1396542031;mircea_popescu;im not sure i could articulate your thesis atm.
602240;1396542032;Mats_cd03;asciilifeform: sad stacks, not enough people have the balls to go to trial and prefer to plea
602241;1396542037;Mats_cd03;you know, game theory, etc etc
602242;1396542054;bounce;nah. they're more of an extortionate fix to a "justice" system with too many overly vague overly broad criminal laws
602243;1396542082;Mats_cd03;the average prosecutor can only manage n trials at any time in a jurisdiction
602244;1396542096;Mats_cd03;the trick is being n+1 when the time comes ;)
602245;1396542097;mircea_popescu;bounce pretty much.
602246;1396542102;pankkake;http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/223p2y/unraveling_the_neo_bee_wave_of_resignations_by/
602247;1396542103;ozbot;Unraveling the Neo & Bee - Wave of resignations by employees and Mr. Neo disappeared : neobee
602248;1396542131;mircea_popescu;pankkake i hope you're aware you're engaging in the crime of COMMERCIAL BUSINESS BLACKMAIL
602249;1396542136;bounce;ie they're a way to wriggle past bill shock (where the bill is the sentence as well as the rest of the cost) while at the same time allowing the "justice" department to show they're worth their money by "producing" convicts
602250;1396542166;mircea_popescu;convictions.
602251;1396542172;pankkake;I'm surprised no one ever offered me money to shut up
602252;1396542174;mircea_popescu;if they could produce convictions without convicts they'd be happiest.
602253;1396542182;pankkake;threats, but not coins
602254;1396542188;mircea_popescu;pankkake they were trying to buy the girl over tho...
602255;1396542190;Apocalyptic;threats are cheap, like air
602256;1396542192;mircea_popescu;see, if only you had tits..
602257;1396542195;Apocalyptic;coins on the other hand...
602258;1396542200;bounce;aaron schwarz is a good illustration where the DoJ deliberately went for it only it backfired. though apparently hasn't backfired enough.
602259;1396542201;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00557205 = 0.1059 BTC [-] {4} 
602260;1396542217;Mats_cd03;http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/04/s-korea-runaway-drone-n-korea-20144211321213993.html
602261;1396542218;ozbot;S Korea and the runaway drone - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
602262;1396542219;pankkake;if I was a girl, I would have been a prostitute
602263;1396542235;mircea_popescu;then you'd have been a "girl you'll be a woman soon".
602264;1396542235;bounce;hmm... you're saying they're competing with the (commercially run) jail system? :-)
602265;1396542262;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.04178331 = 1.0028 BTC [-] {11} 
602266;1396542375;bounce;no convicts -> empty jails. doesn't appear to be a goal of the system. though it could be, I'll give you that. though not in a country where the culture prescribes conflicts must be about people. a conviction is an outcome of such a conflict.
602267;1396542386;mircea_popescu;bounce the jail filling is not a goal of the justice dept.
602268;1396542391;mircea_popescu;other people make that buck.
602269;1396542458;bounce;who drives it, though? seeing the large amounts of poor held pretty much indefinitely in pre-trial holding cells
602270;1396542540;mircea_popescu;congress. its the original backbone of pork
602271;1396542575;mircea_popescu;running a jail was the way to put yourself on the map, see ?
602272;1396542584;mircea_popescu;all through the 1800s
602273;1396542623;benkay;o/
602274;1396542692;bounce;geh. talk about unintended consequences.
602275;1396542724;mircea_popescu;that entire storyline about how easy the mobsters had it in jail ? well , the jails were run by congressmen which they had elected, and were going to reelect.
602276;1396542745;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the flow of campaign funds has mostly moved, but not entirely. and history is what shapes mechanisms.
602277;1396542757;bounce;am I correct in presuming the no institutions thing is about ensuring someone takes responsibility?
602278;1396542759;mircea_popescu;"why is the road here" "because this is the path cows took coming home"
602279;1396542768;asciilifeform;in wash. d.c., there is a private museaum, 'crime & punishment', with famous electric chairs, etc. they also have a reconstructed example of such a jail cell
602280;1396542768;mircea_popescu;bounce to a large degree.
602281;1396542772;bounce;so lingering connections and all that
602282;1396542775;asciilifeform;looks quite like a '40s hotel room
602283;1396542824;asciilifeform;complete with escritoire, if i recall.
602284;1396542872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26090 @ 0.00096355 = 25.139 BTC [+]
602285;1396542901;bounce;there's prisons much more elaborate than that in latin america. you get to buy-in (and buy-out when you leave) for considerable sums of money, though
602286;1396542915;Mats_cd03;it gets better
602287;1396542935;mircea_popescu;anyway, the "suspended sentence" is the proof of the separation between convict and conviction, and the respective beneficiary institutions.
602288;1396542940;mircea_popescu;the cleavage is pretty deep
602289;1396542954;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the suspended sentence yielded its own excrescence, the social worker
602290;1396542968;Mats_cd03;in some places in asia, notably china, its popular for the moneyed to pay others to sit their duration of a prison sentence
602291;1396542976;mircea_popescu;which had a weak footing but meanwhile anchored itself in family care through the mediation of pseudo-healthcare (ie psychology)
602292;1396542986;asciilifeform;the town where the courthouse stood (see my recollections about juries previously) was a real laugh:
602293;1396542988;Mats_cd03;id rob banks for funsies if that was possible
602294;1396543006;asciilifeform;every other door was a 'bondsman' (lending bail money) or a contractor which sold gps collars
602295;1396543009;asciilifeform;for 'suspended sentences'
602296;1396543028;mircea_popescu;all these being counted as part of that "thriving, market economy which made the us great"
602297;1396543033;mircea_popescu;except they're uneconomical and antimarket.
602298;1396543059;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: among the chechens, etc. the clan picks a 'youngest son' or whatever to do the time in his brother's place
602299;1396543071;asciilifeform;or, more generally, some designated luser with no better purpose at the moment.
602300;1396543081;mircea_popescu;the us has this institution too
602301;1396543084;asciilifeform;he'll dutifully confess and move in.
602302;1396543086;mircea_popescu;"designated driver"
602303;1396543113;mircea_popescu;the schmuck that doesn't drink or have fun so his friends can have sex they don't then have to account for.
602304;1396543123;mircea_popescu;or moreover... her.
602305;1396543154;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik 'designated drivers' only exist in ministry of health propaganda - the usual reality is that everyone is thoroughly picked, including the drivers
602306;1396543159;asciilifeform;*pickled
602307;1396543175;mircea_popescu;well i could argue the same re chechen practice :)
602308;1396543201;asciilifeform;said propaganda is riotously funny, when you drive by pub after pub with enormous parking lots
602309;1396543543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00096095 = 2.4024 BTC [-] {2} 
602310;1396544031;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 76 @ 0.05041577 = 3.8316 BTC [+] {8} 
602311;1396544275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.06 = 1.8 BTC [+]
602312;1396544398;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 11 @ 0.08799999 = 0.968 BTC [+] {3} 
602313;1396544402;Mats_cd03;riotously funny in the sense that car accidents are amusing
602314;1396544580;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.05415384 = 0.704 BTC [-] {3} 
602315;1396544636;surfcapmgmt;Heavy volume on COG
602316;1396544648;surfcapmgmt;just resumed trading about an hour ago
602317;1396544713;kakobrekla;!t h cog
602318;1396544714;assbot;[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.04899999 / 0.05613435 / 0.08800000 (131 shares, 7.35359994 BTC), 7D: 0.04899999 / 0.05613435 / 0.08800000 (131 shares, 7.35359994 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03278706 / 0.08800000 (1020 shares, 33.44280011 BTC)
602319;1396544720;kakobrekla;a whole 7 btc.
602320;1396544724;kakobrekla;heavy shit.
602321;1396544757;surfcapmgmt;mmm hmmm
602322;1396544761;Apocalyptic;haha kako
602323;1396544763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12794 @ 0.00012477 = 1.5963 BTC [+] {18} 
602324;1396544824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7371 @ 0.00014965 = 1.1031 BTC [+] {16} 
602325;1396544874;surfcapmgmt;!t h AM1
602326;1396544875;assbot;[HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.55013000 / 0.58130688 / 0.60809900 (80 shares, 46.50455064 BTC), 7D: 0.52200000 / 0.60393113 / 0.67470380 (734 shares, 443.28544940 BTC), 30D: 0.52200000 / 0.6116147 / 0.69510000 (3166 shares, 1936.37213073 BTC)
602327;1396544880;kakobrekla;;;gettrust surfcapmgmt
602328;1396544881;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user surfcapmgmt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=surfcapmgmt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=surfcapmgmt | Rated since: never
602329;1396544977;pankkake;I believe it's "idiot deluxe"
602330;1396544996;bounce;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/mobile-payments-service-to-launch-this-month-9232906.html -- contrast with that other mobile payment thing, where the registration works the other way around
602331;1396544997;ozbot;Mobile payments service to launch this month - Business News - Business - The Independent
602332;1396545003;kakobrekla;yeah pankkake it seems so
602333;1396545068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100101 @ 0.0001681 = 16.827 BTC [+] {48} 
602334;1396545129;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 31869 @ 0.00017159 = 5.4684 BTC [+] {7} 
602335;1396545193;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0607 = 0.3035 BTC [-]
602336;1396545373;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 18118 @ 0.00019999 = 3.6234 BTC [+]
602337;1396545522;pLambert;mircea_popescu: I just tried to post a comment on trilema, it says it only accepts comments from humans, what did I do wrong?
602338;1396545658;antephialtic;tor exit node?
602339;1396545727;mircea_popescu;either an old cached page or too quick post ?
602340;1396545854;mircea_popescu;tor dun do anything.
602341;1396545983;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.039 = 0.819 BTC [+]
602342;1396546052;dignork;pLambert, there is a capcha on a page, did you solve it?
602343;1396546057;surfcapmgmt;!t h COG
602344;1396546058;assbot;[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.01700007 / 0.05333935 / 0.08800000 (155 shares, 8.26760000 BTC), 7D: 0.01700007 / 0.05333935 / 0.08800000 (155 shares, 8.26760000 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03290881 / 0.08800000 (1044 shares, 34.35680017 BTC)
602345;1396546075;pLambert;hmm, didn't see a captcha
602346;1396546105;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.02534213 = 0.3548 BTC [-] {8} 
602347;1396546144;benkay;surfcapmgmt: welcome to -assets.
602348;1396546172;pLambert;I don't see any captcha, oh well, I guess you will never see my deeply insightful comment :(
602349;1396546227;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0428 = 0.642 BTC [-]
602350;1396546270;jurov;pLambert: just reload and retry
602351;1396546296;pLambert;basically, I was saying I look forward to a Hillary/M Obama vs Rand Paul/Justin Amash debate. in many more words
602352;1396546319;pLambert;reloaded, still don't see any captcha
602353;1396546358;jurov;i don't remember any captcha, just retrying usually works
602354;1396546450;the20year2;amash would be a great choice
602355;1396546601;antephialtic;hahaha. if you think rand paul (if he ever gets nominated, which is unlikely but not entirely impossible) would nominate amash you are deluded.
602356;1396546627;benkay;clinton + warren?
602357;1396546661;antephialtic;nah, clinton won't want someone who will make her look conservative in comparison
602358;1396546662;pLambert;amash will just barely be old enough, born in 1980
602359;1396546676;mircea_popescu;pLambert there's no captcha tho
602360;1396546689;pLambert;then why does it think i am inhuman?
602361;1396546690;mircea_popescu;just try again, but make sure you use a fresh copy of a page, and count to 5 before submitting
602362;1396546712;pLambert;meh, I am over it now
602363;1396546712;antephialtic;rand paul's VP would be a safe establishment pick. Something like paul ryan. Maybe even John McCain
602364;1396546724;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema antispam
602365;1396546725;gribble;Noiembrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/11>; Orice cuplu functional… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/orice-cuplu-functional>; Mai 2009 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2009/05>
602366;1396546730;mircea_popescu;meh
602367;1396546730;pLambert;blech, I hate McCain
602368;1396546753;antephialtic;hillary would pick a white dude. someone from the midwest or south.
602369;1396546761;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/effectual-spam-filtering-for-wordpress/
602370;1396546761;ozbot;Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
602371;1396546762;pLambert;I don't think Paul is going to pick a VP who has a record of calling him a "wacko bird"
602372;1396546767;mircea_popescu;there, it's explained how it works..
602373;1396546816;antephialtic;well I don't think paul will get nominated so it doesn't matter. I like paul as much as the next guy, but the big money republicans don't like him even if the tea party libertarian set does
602374;1396546818;mircea_popescu;and the republican vote is going to be split no matter what. the old reps have no actual incentive to submit to the tea party, even if the party ends with them. the tea party has zero incentive to "work through the system"
602375;1396546826;mircea_popescu;so anyone the democrats propose gets it in 2016.
602376;1396546846;antephialtic;but: democrats are looking like they might get crushed in the midterms
602377;1396546861;mircea_popescu;congress and presidency, different things.
602378;1396546881;mircea_popescu;theres going to be a landslide dem president with a 2/3+ teaparty majority house and senate
602379;1396546892;mircea_popescu;then congress gets written out of politics and merriment ensues.
602380;1396546931;antephialtic;yes, but important for future of US. more divided government = more unproductive petty politics, more kicking the big problems down the road, less stability, US bonds get downgraded again, yadda yadda yadda
602381;1396546958;mircea_popescu;nah, that's how it worked till now.
602382;1396546974;mircea_popescu;things are going to come to a head tho, much like venezuela's internal debate.
602383;1396547020;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042805 = 0.1712 BTC [+] {2} 
602384;1396547023;mircea_popescu;pLambert see that time it worked.
602385;1396547051;mircea_popescu;you probably wrote your thing in a notepad then pasted it in and submitted. that's 90% of what makes legitimate folks get called inhuman.
602386;1396547061;pLambert;hmm, not sure why it didn't work before, I had follwed a link out of the -asset logs, would that affect anything?
602387;1396547082;pLambert;no notepad, I just typed into the comment field
602388;1396547143;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05939442 = 0.1188 BTC [+]
602389;1396547146;pLambert;The other thing I wanted to mention is when you villify old women, that should be directed at selfish haggy types and not selfless grandmotherly types.
602390;1396547229;pLambert;but you can probably find a nice dichotomy in any group using selfish/selfless criterion
602391;1396547325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05939442 = 0.1188 BTC [+]
602392;1396547327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-]
602393;1396547386;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0428 = 0.214 BTC [-]
602394;1396547448;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 26 @ 0.00602307 = 0.1566 BTC [-] {2} 
602395;1396547449;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0428 = 0.1284 BTC [-]
602396;1396548002;mircea_popescu;pLambert odd. nah link shouldn't have affected nuttin
602397;1396548091;mircea_popescu;btw kakobrekla would you consider changing log link structure from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2014 to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/02-Apr-2014/ or something and adding a xml sitemap for google so that it index it all anbd you dont have to implement asearch button ?
602398;1396548119;mircea_popescu;pLambert not that many grandmothers in politics which was the general context
602399;1396548142;mircea_popescu;not sure the dichotomy is altruism either.
602400;1396548175;pLambert;right, your point is correct, people who end up as nice grandmothers spend to much time raising children to rise in politics
602401;1396548184;mircea_popescu;macbeth, the prototype, is not discussable in those terms for instance
602402;1396548214;pLambert;macbeth is the prototype of what?
602403;1396548221;mircea_popescu;the haggly political woman.
602404;1396548240;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58999002 BTC [-]
602405;1396548261;pLambert;I don't follow?
602406;1396548290;mircea_popescu;you seen the play ?
602407;1396548428;mike_c;google indexes the logs. i search them all the time
602408;1396548474;pLambert;yes, I saw MacBeth, but it was a long time ago
602409;1396548485;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 59 @ 0.01118777 = 0.6601 BTC [+] {4} 
602410;1396548493;mircea_popescu;so take the lady out sometime, it's still a great play.
602411;1396548497;mike_c;;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com neobee
602412;1396548498;gribble;NEXT: 24-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2014>; NEXT: 21-09-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-09-2013>; NEXT: 25-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2014>
602413;1396548511;mircea_popescu;fuck me google much progressed. i stand corrected.
602414;1396548511;pankkake;sitemaps allow for perfect and fast indexing though
602415;1396548545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 18 @ 0.00773887 = 0.1393 BTC [-] {3} 
602416;1396548561;pLambert;Just went out last weekend to see Les Mis, all local talent, was much better singing than the hollywood movie last year.
602417;1396548591;pankkake;http://i.imgur.com/h5xi9KL.jpg too bad I can't change my avatar
602418;1396548594;pLambert;anyway, how does MacBeth relate to anything?
602419;1396548612;mircea_popescu;well how am i going to explain that if you don't know the play ;/
602420;1396548614;asciilifeform;pankkake: is that... turdmeister?
602421;1396548618;pankkake;yeah
602422;1396548633;pLambert;I remember the general plot
602423;1396548642;mircea_popescu;so tell it to me
602424;1396548671;truffles;lol
602425;1396548695;truffles;just post him a google link dood
602426;1396548712;bounce;what, you're modeling your NWO on shakespeare plays without knowing the plot?
602427;1396548731;pLambert;iirc, macbeth tries to take over scotland, everybody dies in the end
602428;1396548734;mircea_popescu;yea, i'm hoping assets makes the cliffnotes for me o.O
602429;1396548740;mircea_popescu;pLambert well that's not much.
602430;1396548751;mircea_popescu;"Stop up th’ access and passage to remorse,"
602431;1396548753;mircea_popescu;that stuff.
602432;1396548768;truffles;he dies thats plenty
602433;1396548773;Urushiol;any word on HIF dividends / earnings yet? If I understand correctly, it should be more than 3 months' worth.
602434;1396548785;pLambert;wikipedia "Consumed by ambition and spurred to action by his wife, Macbeth murders King Duncan and takes the throne for himself. He is then wracked with guilt and paranoia, and he soon becomes a tyrannical ruler as he is forced to commit more and more murders to protect himself from enmity and suspicion. The bloodbath and consequent civil war swiftly take Macbeth and Lady Macbeth into the realms of arrogance, madness, and dea
602435;1396548787;mircea_popescu;Urushiol we're awaiting it with bated breath
602436;1396548792;*;truffles claps
602437;1396548796;mike_c;asciilifeform: i believe i've heard you talk about this before, but i can't remember the specifics.  If I generated and published say 20,000 adddresses out of a single wallet do you think I am leaking anything that would significantly hurt the security of that wallet?
602438;1396548798;mircea_popescu;pLambert not the guy. his wife.
602439;1396548803;pLambert;basically what I said
602440;1396548813;benkay`;mike_c: what is a wallet?
602441;1396548817;mircea_popescu;lady macbeth dood, we're discussing women in politics here.
602442;1396548818;asciilifeform;mike_c: if you do this, you will live or die by your RNG.
602443;1396548819;pLambert;his wife starts the murders, pushes him into action
602444;1396548823;mike_c;sorry, a specific set of keys
602445;1396548841;asciilifeform;mike_c: see the android btc wallet incident.
602446;1396548855;pLambert;so, she is trying to take scotland for her family, therefore selfish and fit for politics rather than grandmothering, so my point stands
602447;1396548856;mike_c;i remember that, i'll dig it up.  thanks.
602448;1396548860;asciilifeform;incidentally
602449;1396548867;asciilifeform;all public-key crypto lives and dies by rng
602450;1396548873;asciilifeform;not only, as commonly supposed, for key gen
602451;1396548874;pLambert;HIF guy said report should be out by 10th
602452;1396548874;mircea_popescu;pLambert or conversely, she is trying to promote her hubby, so selfless and your point fails.
602453;1396548876;asciilifeform;but for signature nonces
602454;1396548884;mircea_popescu;kinda what happens when you try to measure things by orthogonal measures.
602455;1396548914;mircea_popescu;"how thick is a width of a meter ?" "dude dunno, as thick as the wind blowing may make it seem. otherwise, it's wide"
602456;1396548916;Urushiol;mircea_popescu: what I find particularly surprising is that it wasn't calculated by the community already, given volume is available through the API
602457;1396548936;mircea_popescu;Urushiol "community" is made out of law specialists not math specialists :D
602458;1396548942;asciilifeform;and not only signature, but small bits of encryption as well. anyone who doesn't grasp this mustn't wait, but open a textbook and work out what happens if you rsa a small bit of whatever, without padding.
602459;1396548946;mircea_popescu;;;google are you the brain specialist
602460;1396548947;gribble;Monty Python - Gumby Brain Specialist - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68GeL8PafE>; Gumby brain specialist - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrjHKMJTh1w>; Monty Python - Brain Surgery - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUMuZY5Bt34>
602461;1396548985;mike_c;bitbet has certainly published a lot of their addresses by now.  hopefully they have good RNG!
602462;1396548987;pLambert;asciilifeform: I don't think you can just take volume, who knows how much they will take out for expenses?
602463;1396549000;asciilifeform;volume?
602464;1396549006;asciilifeform;i think i missed something
602465;1396549010;Urushiol;mircea_popescu: it would require coding specialists mostly, which we have already. just get volume for each fund in that time frame and apply HIF's percentage returns. I haven't finished my Python quite yet, otherwise I would attack it.
602466;1396549084;Urushiol;pLambert: it will give you a max though
602467;1396549094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13533 @ 0.00096365 = 13.0411 BTC [+] {2} 
602468;1396549100;Urushiol;and take their projected expenses as assumptions
602469;1396549117;pLambert;yes, right. so what is that amount?
602470;1396549144;Urushiol;I believe it's in the prospectus, no? It was months ago that I read it last so I can't recall for certain.
602471;1396549165;pLambert;oops, should have responded to Urushol, not asciilifeform
602472;1396549180;Urushiol;that's what I thought you meant.
602473;1396549216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042899 = 0.1716 BTC [+]
602474;1396549253;mircea_popescu;i think two unrelated convos became cojoined at the hip here
602475;1396549276;pLambert;isn't that how irc is supposed to work?
602476;1396549284;Urushiol;purple, I think
602477;1396549285;Urushiol;:)
602478;1396549302;truffles;ofc not, chat rooms arent meant to have conversations..
602479;1396549322;mircea_popescu;irc i dunno, but science often does.
602480;1396549609;asciilifeform;wtf is a 'coding specialist' - like a programmer, but moar fashion?
602481;1396549629;asciilifeform;(perhaps i ought to know better than to ask such questions...)
602482;1396549632;truffles;sounds like some1 that knows all about "coding"
602483;1396549677;asciilifeform;feels a little like the '90s american fashion of calling janitor 'building engineer'
602484;1396549687;truffles;no wai
602485;1396549697;truffles;harsh comparison sir
602486;1396549717;mircea_popescu;was a hooker called a "slime technician" ?
602487;1396549731;asciilifeform;i've actually seen people describe employing 'programmers' and 'coders' both
602488;1396549740;asciilifeform;the latter usually referring to a 'human compiler'
602489;1396549747;truffles;haha
602490;1396549756;truffles;machines eh
602491;1396549765;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.0075 = 0.315 BTC [+]
602492;1396549792;asciilifeform;a human compiler is a kind of wretch, usually overseas, who is nominally paid to turn 'human' language spec into a program.
602493;1396549821;asciilifeform;the results, for those who have not witnessed this personally, are usually exactly what one would expect.
602494;1396549838;mircea_popescu;sounds a lot like elance or w/e
602495;1396549876;asciilifeform;int add1(int x) {if (x == 1) 2 ....
602496;1396549941;asciilifeform;this is one of those things where i can't help but think that anyone who pays for it - deserves what he gets
602497;1396550173;truffles;well it seems like lotta nerds with IT degrees appear robotic so
602498;1396550183;truffles;obv employers get confused :D
602499;1396550681;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=555854.0
602500;1396550682;ozbot;Bitstamp going paranoid about ID verification
602501;1396550687;kakobrekla;lel, moar of this.
602502;1396550726;asciilifeform;'submit a high resolution image of yourself holding your ID' << anyone else reminded of '419 baiting' ?
602503;1396550728;truffles;bitcoin is like banking now os?
602504;1396550730;asciilifeform;or, for that matter, arsecoin
602505;1396550772;mircea_popescu;yeah lol
602506;1396550978;Namworld;I know about Bitstamp verifications... it's lulzy. They ask for more dox than the government itself or banks.
602507;1396550986;Namworld;Soon they'll ask for blood samples.
602508;1396551082;mircea_popescu;there's an excellent point about fraud management made by an actual competent person long ago
602509;1396551094;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/adnotated-words-of-wisdom-on-the-topic-of-online-fraud/
602510;1396551095;ozbot;Adnotated words of wisdom on the topic of online fraud pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
602511;1396551114;mircea_popescu;obviously clueless kids left to reproduce irl the emperor of flies circus going on in their head wouldn't know about it.
602512;1396551120;Namworld;Too much fraud management = zero actual customers, all fraudsters with fake docs?
602513;1396551141;mircea_popescu;uyp
602514;1396551162;bounce;"congress gets written out of politics" how?
602515;1396551164;mircea_popescu;Legitimate Customers
602516;1396551164;mircea_popescu;You can’t stop all fraud. Some will get through your defenses. Currency exchange profit margins are too narrow to absorb much of it, so you need a healthy legitimate customer base across whom you can distribute those costs. As chargebacks come in, it’s tempting to focus entirely on eliminating fraud. Unfortunately, that focus inconveniences legitimate customers so much that they go elsewhere.
602517;1396551170;mircea_popescu;bounce presidential order.
602518;1396551204;bounce;"coding specialist" is someone who knows about "line coding" and such. more or less what the w3c tried (and inevitably failed) to conveniently can with xml
602519;1396551221;bounce;you know, discering a signal, framing, all that jazz
602520;1396551435;bounce;presidential order kicking out congress? that's going to be some riot.
602521;1396551481;mircea_popescu;hardly.
602522;1396551490;mircea_popescu;congress lost most legislative power already, gradually.
602523;1396551490;benkay```;most likely it'll start small with some executive order overriding some congressional mandate.
602524;1396551500;benkay```;wow how'd i get to three tacks
602525;1396551504;benkay```;internet is wacky today
602526;1396551509;mircea_popescu;recently they tried to enforce the power of the purse and were made a mockery of for it.
602527;1396551522;mircea_popescu;not even the point that it failed, their attempt, but congressional dignity proved an empty word.
602528;1396551532;mircea_popescu;that was a test, it was failed, congress is going away.
602529;1396551552;mircea_popescu;the only way out was toi have obama hung for the crows to peck at for two months, on capitol hill.
602530;1396551555;mircea_popescu;admittedly a bar too high.
602531;1396551602;pLambert;bounce: already the president makes executive orders to do whatever he wants
602532;1396551627;bounce;not too much on the promises made though
602533;1396551634;bounce;that deliberate then?
602534;1396551669;pLambert;promises? you mean the things Obama said he would do, and then didn't do even though he clearly has the authority to do them already?
602535;1396551813;bounce;I s'pose nobody cared since he got re-elected regardless. oh well.
602536;1396551876;mircea_popescu;but seriously, i tell you you can't have a new car and you close down the fucking parks in response ?
602537;1396551884;mircea_popescu;that's it, you can't have electricity anymore either.
602538;1396551892;mircea_popescu;complete defunding of everything starting right now.
602539;1396551931;mircea_popescu;no secret service, no airforce one, no white house. go check into an 8ball motel.
602540;1396551942;mircea_popescu;think it through.
602541;1396551961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00096371 = 7.7097 BTC [+]
602542;1396552016;*;bounce apparently (well, generally ignoring the drama over there) haven't kept up enough to see that
602543;1396552033;bounce;s/ven/sn/
602544;1396552144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3680 @ 0.00016748 = 0.6163 BTC [+] {3} 
602545;1396552153;mircea_popescu;o yeah, which reminds me, how is ven, the revolutionary currency of the internet nefario discovered somewhere ?
602546;1396552298;kakobrekla;http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/pair/ven/eur/kraken/10-days
602547;1396552299;ozbot;VEN / EUR (VEN/EUR) price chart, 10-days, Kraken
602548;1396552367;Namworld;Ah yes, this point about too much security/regulation is excellent.
602549;1396552388;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0421 = 0.2526 BTC [-]
602550;1396552417;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla aha! i wish i remembered what it was supposed to be trading for back in 2012
602551;1396552449;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 110 @ 0.00386208 = 0.4248 BTC [-] {7} 
602552;1396552498;dexx;Apocalyptic: what's up with bitcoinstrings.com?
602553;1396552510;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0594 = 0.1782 BTC [+]
602554;1396552523;kakobrekla;kraken will trade you dead grandmother if the logo is nice.
602555;1396552525;Apocalyptic;dexx, why would I know ?
602556;1396552552;dexx;isn't this your website? and nvm: it's back up for me now
602557;1396552566;Apocalyptic;it's not
602558;1396552571;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.041899 = 0.6285 BTC [-]
602559;1396552617;mircea_popescu;"Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing."
602560;1396552620;mircea_popescu;ah the guy's so good.
602561;1396552632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0416 = 0.2496 BTC [-] {2} 
602562;1396552727;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=506332.0
602563;1396552728;ozbot;[WTS] 1981 DeLorean DMC-12
602564;1396552877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00096129 = 14.0829 BTC [-]
602565;1396552938;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0594 = 0.1188 BTC [+]
602566;1396552939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.0009616 = 16.0587 BTC [+]
602567;1396553291;pLambert;"Rejection reason: If you're going to play the cool internet cat, go get some BTC, then submit your retardation with paid wager." How much do you need to bet to get a bitbet accepted?
602568;1396553309;nubbins`;depends
602569;1396553316;nubbins`;what was your bet?
602570;1396553369;benkay```;Mircea Popescu will be arrested and extradited to the US in 2014
602571;1396553370;benkay```;Rejection reason: If you're going to play the cool internet cat, go get some BTC, then submit your retardation with paid wager.
602572;1396553371;pankkake;ahah http://bitbet.us/propositions/
602573;1396553379;benkay```;^^ nubbins`
602574;1396553380;pankkake;first time I see such rejection
602575;1396553429;pankkake;I like this bet
602576;1396553432;nubbins`;heh
602577;1396553510;nubbins`;pLambert "Consider submitting with substantial paid wager" is a common rejection reason. not sure if there's a cut-and-dry minimum, but i've seen bets with 0.0x btc on either side
602578;1396553532;pLambert;I thought the guys at bitcointalk who are so sure MP is going to get dragged across the ocean would like to put some money on it?
602579;1396553546;TomServo;haha, Pussy Riot publicly beaten on video by July 25, 2014
602580;1396553550;TomServo;Didn't that actually happen?
602581;1396553569;pLambert;I don't think they allow bets about people getting hurt or killed?
602582;1396553600;nubbins`;TomServo yes
602583;1396553616;nubbins`;bunch of cossacks whipped them with knotted ropes
602584;1396553634;nubbins`;pLambert ah, too true
602585;1396553638;pankkake;yeah but the tough bitcointalk guys don't bet
602586;1396553644;mircea_popescu;pLambert bitbet charges 1% of the pool, and puts .1 btc on the new bets.
602587;1396553647;nubbins`;someone could just put 100btc on yes and then fly to russia and beat the shit out of them
602588;1396553666;mircea_popescu;thus if submitter places a 10btc bet he is in effect going "i'm not tryin' to mooch ya"
602589;1396553714;mircea_popescu;and there was some derpage about s.mpoe falling on the forum if i recall
602590;1396553726;mircea_popescu;turned out the guy's budget was maybe .1 or something like that.
602591;1396553727;nubbins`;pLambert: also, the btctalk crowd who would love to see MP extradited also probably would never send a single satoshi to bitbet, purely on principle
602592;1396553744;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yeah, it'd totally be the principle :p
602593;1396553754;nubbins`;i'm being diplomatic ;D
602594;1396553777;mircea_popescu;reminds me of the principled 20somethings that are on a diet
602595;1396553786;mircea_popescu;the incidental that they can't afford food anyway notwithstanding
602596;1396553790;nubbins`;heh.
602597;1396553790;mircea_popescu;tis a matter of principle.
602598;1396553793;pankkake;it's not that they don't have the funds, I've offered very small bets. it's that they don't even believe themselves
602599;1396553805;pLambert;but it might be useful to bet on yes, cause who knows what will happen to mpex investments if mp gets arrested, sort of a hedge?
602600;1396553868;mircea_popescu;"mp arrested for the crime of being mean to forum dwellers and bureaucrats"
602601;1396553874;mircea_popescu;sounds like a ton of publicity.
602602;1396553902;nubbins`;pLambert expound plz
602603;1396553942;mircea_popescu;while he does i wanna pontificate on the following theme :
602604;1396553967;pLambert;well, say you have some shares of s.mpoe. If mp gets arrested, their price will go down, I think. so if you bet that mp will get arrested, it will offset the loss from your shares?
602605;1396553993;mircea_popescu;since about the 90s or so, basic us education has been filtering quite perversely : you get an a or a+ for succeeding at the task, usually an a or rarely a b "for effort" by delivering a credible simulacra of having tried, and an f or rarely a c for actually trying and failing.
602606;1396553995;nubbins`;well you're making some assumptions there
602607;1396554000;nubbins`;namely that bitbet would continue to function
602608;1396554012;mircea_popescu;this has resulted in a generationful of people who can do nothing but and nothing other than "convincingly" trying.
602609;1396554039;pLambert;heh, good point. I assume it will function without mp?
602610;1396554042;nubbins`;mircea_popescu the true horror of this situation won't be realized for another few decades
602611;1396554055;mircea_popescu;pLambert if one then why not the other as well ?
602612;1396554063;nubbins`;^
602613;1396554074;nubbins`;conversely, if not mpoe, why not bitbet?
602614;1396554074;pLambert;failling and shares dropping are not exactly the same
602615;1396554078;mircea_popescu;nubbins` indeed. i routinely meet 20somethings who have not actually tried ANYTHING the past decade.
602616;1396554096;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0607 = 0.3642 BTC [-]
602617;1396554105;nubbins`;mircea_popescu trying things isn't required. i have a CS degree even though i only made two working programs during the course of my degree
602618;1396554120;nubbins`;had to teach myself, essentially from scratch
602619;1396554130;pankkake;two *working* programs? that's better than most
602620;1396554143;mircea_popescu;so in this sense, as far as the forum is concerned, having made that bet proposition is good enough.
602621;1396554154;mircea_popescu;even if the world laughs at them, they've... tried.
602622;1396554159;jborkl;mircea, to go along with your point - I send my kids to private school 6 and 4 years old. The 6 year old can do algebra, multiplication, read, write and knows some of the periodic table < public school peers are very far behind
602623;1396554173;mircea_popescu;i believe you.
602624;1396554176;mircea_popescu;where's this ?
602625;1396554176;nubbins`;all childs left behind
602626;1396554193;mircea_popescu;nubbins` exactly like venezuela, you knoiw ? "we've reduced inequality, everyone has the same amt of toilet paper now"
602627;1396554202;nubbins`;pLambert: so mp gets rendered, bitbet.us shows a DoJ logo. what now?
602628;1396554203;jborkl;Texas, the state has a robin hood theory
602629;1396554228;jborkl;to take from wealthy districts to prop up the poor
602630;1396554229;nubbins`;mircea_popescu "if you don't have enough toilet paper feel free to use the barrel of this rifle"
602631;1396554231;mircea_popescu;bitbet2.us pops up.
602632;1396554265;nubbins`;mircea_popescu stop stealing answers ;(
602633;1396554275;mircea_popescu;lmao!
602634;1396554279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06059002 = 1.2118 BTC [-] {2} 
602635;1396554288;nubbins`;tbh seizing domains is such a non-problem
602636;1396554289;mircea_popescu;no but this is the beauty of it. bitbet is... well... public.
602637;1396554294;mircea_popescu;there's nothing to steal.
602638;1396554304;nubbins`;i mean, look at the pirate bay. most reviled website in history
602639;1396554308;mircea_popescu;redirect it all you want, tomorrow any one of you can host it just as well.
602640;1396554323;nubbins`;still standing 11 years later
602641;1396554367;pankkake;http://thepiratebay.se/legal
602642;1396554376;nubbins`;^^^
602643;1396554397;bounce;it is a problem if, say, kansas or ohio judges order domains seized from overseas companies that do things perfectly legal there
602644;1396554398;mircea_popescu;did they updarte it ?
602645;1396554404;mircea_popescu;i recall that page was hilarious a decade ago
602646;1396554429;pankkake;I don't think there's new stuff
602647;1396554434;nubbins`;bounce: it's a .us domain, they can do what they want with it :P
602648;1396554442;pankkake;TPB isn't such a high profile target anymore too
602649;1396554447;nubbins`;that said, who cares what TLD is used
602650;1396554463;bounce;(relatedly, peeps getting into a right tizzy for having their .ly domains rescinded because they're clearly against the local customs in .ly)
602651;1396554463;nubbins`;pankkake mostly because they realized they were trying to box the wind
602652;1396554478;nubbins`;doesn't quite matter how good your left hook is, y'know?
602653;1396554492;mircea_popescu;pankkake what's strangest to my eyes, really, is that in 2004 the attitude of piratebay was directly obvious to the average net denizen.
602654;1396554494;nubbins`;;;google .ly tld
602655;1396554495;gribble;.ly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ly>; NIC.LY - Libya ccTLD...: <http://www.nic.ly/>; ly Domains - International Domain Registration: <http://www.101domain.com/ly.htm>
602656;1396554496;bounce;'twas .com and .net, IIRC. those aren't supposed to be ".us", it was just that the registrar is conveniently a us company
602657;1396554499;nubbins`;libya!
602658;1396554502;mircea_popescu;today, the attitude of tardstalk is quite the opposite
602659;1396554521;mircea_popescu;what a coupla bad us presidents do to the world.
602660;1396554533;pankkake;maybe money is the root of all evil
602661;1396554541;mircea_popescu;either that or lazy stupidity.
602662;1396554543;nubbins`;nah
602663;1396554550;nubbins`;the root of money is the root of all evil
602664;1396554582;bounce;what's that say about the bunch that breathe the "follow the money" mantra and came up with AML?
602665;1396554584;nubbins`;might as well take it to brass tacks
602666;1396554633;Mats_cd03;my dong is the root of all evil
602667;1396554648;truffles;parasites arent that lazi for sure
602668;1396554652;nubbins`;Mats_cd03 is that because it's the size of a stack of dimes?
602669;1396554654;pankkake;nubbins`: yes, this as been tpb's strategy too: it DECENTRALIZED itself!!!
602670;1396554655;*;nubbins` cackles
602671;1396554668;nubbins`;;;google jumpin jesus tonight
602672;1396554668;gribble;'Jumping Jesus' snowbound video prompts worldwide laughs ... - CBC: <http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/jumping-jesus-snowbound-video-prompts-worldwide-laughs-1.2596691>; Canadian has a typical 'Irish mammy' reaction to her son getting ...: <http://www.dailyedge.ie/man-stuck-in-snow-irish-mammy-response-1394349-Apr2014/>; 'Jumping Jesus' snowbound video prompts (1 more message)
602673;1396554669;Mats_cd03;its also the same thickness
602674;1396554676;nubbins`;^ apparently this has caused quite the international stir
602675;1396554707;nubbins`;if you wanna hear a thick newfoundland accent, that's as good a place as any to start
602676;1396554889;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 106 @ 0.00556115 = 0.5895 BTC [-] {3} 
602677;1396554896;nubbins`;MUDDER I'M STUCK
602678;1396554950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31274 @ 0.00096001 = 30.0234 BTC [-] {2} 
602679;1396555011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45426 @ 0.00095819 = 43.5267 BTC [-] {2} 
602680;1396555106;truffles;^^ best quit message 3>
602681;1396555133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0599 = 0.1797 BTC [+]
602682;1396555295;nubbins`;ehhh
602683;1396555316;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00562121 = 0.1293 BTC [+] {3} 
602684;1396555320;nubbins`;not even a good one-off quip
602685;1396555329;nubbins`;let alone something that gets cummed out every time you quit irc
602686;1396555407;Mats_cd03;ur so dirty
602687;1396555533;nubbins`;imagine the unfiltered version
602688;1396556029;Duffer1;Mircea Popescu i believe a Clinton/Warren ticket would be far more likely
602689;1396556051;Duffer1;er mircea_popescu ^
602690;1396556263;mircea_popescu;jack warrem ? which warren ?
602691;1396556273;Duffer1;elizabeth
602692;1396556290;mircea_popescu;a hm
602693;1396556414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.0009616 = 8.0294 BTC [+]
602694;1396556475;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.10144642 = 0.5072 BTC [-]
602695;1396556659;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0599 = 0.1198 BTC [+]
602696;1396556841;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0599999 = 0.18 BTC [+]
602697;1396556902;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0599999 = 0.3 BTC [+]
602698;1396557302;Mats_cd03;lol
602699;1396557321;Mats_cd03;it would amuse me to see that
602700;1396557346;Mats_cd03;but unlikely
602701;1396557523;dexx;https://github.com/sipa/bips/blob/e04e99c315dd4067e267b62f84c9eeffeeccf94e/bip-0042.mediawiki#details unlimited bitcoin for everyone ;) (fixed btw now)
602702;1396557634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06050004 = 0.121 BTC [-]
602703;1396557818;nubbins`;heh, good find
602704;1396558122;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60799998 = 1.216 BTC [+]
602705;1396558183;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.608099 = 2.4324 BTC [+]
602706;1396558215;Namworld;http://i.imgur.com/3e2khf9.jpg
602707;1396558304;dexx;^ kinda disturbing
602708;1396558332;Namworld;Yes. But hilarious.
602709;1396558384;truffles;awww
602710;1396558418;truffles;at least my pet wouldnt try that with something that small
602711;1396558429;truffles;plastic bags for sure though
602712;1396558922;CheckDavid;:(
602713;1396558932;CheckDavid;That's abuse
602714;1396558949;kakobrekla;lelzy
602715;1396558949;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=555881.0
602716;1396558951;ozbot;I'm done with Bitcoin Securities...
602717;1396559055;danielpbarron;lol, there is too regulation; individuals are just so desperate to get-rich-quick that they overlook obvious scams in a rush to beat everyone else into the early adopter position
602718;1396559068;mike_c;of course now neo was an "easily identifiable scam"
602719;1396559104;kakobrekla;yes naturally.
602720;1396559110;dexx;inb4: "it's not a scam but a failed business"
602721;1396559135;danielpbarron;it's hard to tell the difference; might as well be the same thing
602722;1396559165;pankkake;"Until we have decentralized exchanges with open source software"
602723;1396559178;pankkake;can we have decentralized scam victims already so this stops
602724;1396559208;dexx;well, decentralized exchanges reduce the risk of a scamming exchange, but that's all
602725;1396559215;danielpbarron;i think there will be a resurgence of scams once the decentralized exchanges go totally live
602726;1396559234;pankkake;yes, that's all. interestingly, cryptostocks… is still here
602727;1396559303;danielpbarron;"The SEC is investigating all of the above"  <--- not ready for Bitcoin; go home
602728;1396559349;truffles;i am home bro
602729;1396559384;dexx;maybe it would be more accurate to say "we need decentralized companies to end the scams"
602730;1396559395;danielpbarron;"bitcoin mining is also a scam" lolol... that's a pretty broad statement
602731;1396559425;danielpbarron;if you decentralize it far enough, might as well all keep our own money and not invest
602732;1396559443;danielpbarron;I mean that's the logical extreme and it completely defeats the purpose of investing
602733;1396559499;dexx;what's the relation between decentralization and keeping the money?
602734;1396559727;dexx;what i meant was something like.. say there are 10 people each with 100 btc each.. all coins are sent to a 5-of-10 multisig address. with >= 50 % consensus a business decision is sealed. << for the sake of an example
602735;1396559807;danielpbarron;hmm
602736;1396559830;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608099 BTC [+]
602737;1396559843;mgio_;mining is not excatly a scam, but roughly 3/4s of the companies selling hardware have ben shown to not be reputable
602738;1396559861;danielpbarron;what ever happened to BFL?
602739;1396559867;danielpbarron;i see they are still selling pre-orders
602740;1396559882;mgio_;very few people have done better mining when measured by bitcoins in, bitcoisn out
602741;1396559904;dexx;if i may ask: why did the sec call you?
602742;1396559915;dexx;you in particular
602743;1396559931;dexx;and fyi: they called korbman out of the blue, too
602744;1396559934;the20year2;who was called by the SEC?
602745;1396559952;dexx;mgio_ according to his post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=555881.msg6057442#msg6057442
602746;1396559980;mgio_;They called to talk about bitfunder and weexchange
602747;1396559987;the20year2;Interesting
602748;1396560007;danielpbarron;ew
602749;1396560013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00096371 = 14.0702 BTC [+]
602750;1396560014;dexx;nono.. i mean, do you have any idea why they choose you? and when was that?
602751;1396560020;danielpbarron;I wouldn't talk to them
602752;1396560025;mgio_;They called back in November
602753;1396560029;the20year2;And here I am, chugging along buying houses with bitcoin
602754;1396560030;mgio_;and then I talked to them again recently
602755;1396560056;mgio_;they chose me cause I posted on the forums and was easy to track down, I assume
602756;1396560063;danielpbarron;i think the two most valuable investments in Bitcoin are bitcoins and knowledge/networking
602757;1396560067;dexx;ah
602758;1396560086;dexx;how can i invest in knowledge? ;)
602759;1396560094;danielpbarron;read about all the scams
602760;1396560096;mgio_;they wouldn't give me much information other than there was an ongoing investigation
602761;1396560101;danielpbarron;without participating in any of them
602762;1396560130;danielpbarron;most of the bitcoiners have no idea how money works on these scales
602763;1396560149;mgio_;i really expected more from neo & bee.
602764;1396560159;danielpbarron;haphazerdly slapping terrible business plans together and actually finding investors
602765;1396560186;dexx;mgio_: i didn't expect it either
602766;1396560209;danielpbarron;you could spend a solid week just reading all the forum posts about all the scams, although I particularly like mircea_popescu's writing on the subject
602767;1396560284;mgio_;im shocked that people still invest at all anymore. if you couldn't trust the exchange with your money (bitfunder) then how could you trust any of the securities it was peddling?
602768;1396560305;the20year2;I'm curious of that too
602769;1396560316;danielpbarron;there are still places to invest bitcoin that aren't scams.. they just aren't begging for investors
602770;1396560325;mgio_;like what?
602771;1396560332;danielpbarron;heh
602772;1396560341;danielpbarron;idk do your own research on it
602773;1396560351;mgio_;well, i'll all done with it for now
602774;1396560351;danielpbarron;stop following whatever the trend-of-the-week is
602775;1396560372;mgio_;i invested in neo&bee when it was first announced, i used my xbond shares
602776;1396560378;danielpbarron;if you follow the crowd, you'll usually end up buying after the pump and selling after the dump
602777;1396560382;mgio_;i realized it was a long term investment
602778;1396560467;dexx;is it a confirmed scam now?
602779;1396560482;dexx;well, i guess insolvency implies that
602780;1396560494;danielpbarron;i read one this morning about a noob who didn't realize he was shorting bitcoin.... right before the price spike......
602781;1396560540;mgio_;Neo & bee wasn't necessarily, but they aren't too very well right now
602782;1396560566;mgio_;they must have been very mismanaged to suddenly run out of money without warning
602783;1396560570;the20year2;I want to know why they had money in gox
602784;1396560575;mgio_;they didn't
602785;1396560581;mgio_;the CEO had some personal funds there
602786;1396560581;the20year2;Danny said he did
602787;1396560587;mgio_;yes, his own coins
602788;1396560590;the20year2;and that he was covering the exchange with his own personal coins
602789;1396560607;danielpbarron;SCAM
602790;1396560608;mgio_;Neo lost money from bitfunder/weexchange
602791;1396560610;danielpbarron;i've heard that story
602792;1396560628;*;truffles wonders if this is how rumors start
602793;1396560628;mgio_;thats a whole different story, where did that money go?
602794;1396560636;dexx;very good question
602795;1396560640;the20year2;I'm curious too
602796;1396560641;mgio_;who knows, ukyo will never tell us :)
602797;1396560649;Duffer1;indeed
602798;1396560652;mgio_;and won't even tell us why he won't tell us
602799;1396560656;the20year2;We've already published our expense spreadsheet to investors, i'm curious how many other bitcoin companies do that too
602800;1396560672;truffles;feds took everything ldo
602801;1396560677;danielpbarron;as many legit ones as there are
602802;1396560799;danielpbarron;maybe a lot of these scams will go away when nLockTime and multisig addresses go mainstream
602803;1396560807;mgio_;people are begging me to delete that thread. As if i could harm Neo&Bee any more :(
602804;1396560829;danielpbarron;there is no excuse for not keeping your funds under your own control
602805;1396560887;dexx;danielpbarron: these things and clever stuff is out since at least 2012
602806;1396560910;danielpbarron;yeah but they haven't been implemented in many wallet programs yet
602807;1396560917;dexx;yes
602808;1396560919;danielpbarron;i know greenaddress.it uses nLockTime
602809;1396560946;dexx;https://api.trustedcoin.com//#/ + https://www.bitgo.com/
602810;1396560947;ozbot;Trusted Coin
602811;1396560948;mgio_;I guess there is a slim chance i'll see some money from ukyo.loan...a slim chance neo&bee will get it's act together...
602812;1396560970;dexx;i hope it didn't break you, mgio_
602813;1396560974;Duffer1;are you part of the labcoin action mgio?
602814;1396560989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00096311 = 2.9375 BTC [-]
602815;1396561164;jurov;mgio_ you forgot mtgox
602816;1396561165;mircea_popescu;ok that one is epic Namworld
602817;1396561179;mgio_;yes, I am Duffer1, but I never got around to sending in all my information
602818;1396561182;mgio_;I hope its not too late
602819;1396561193;mircea_popescu;<mike_c> of course now neo was an "easily identifiable scam" << butofcourse :D
602820;1396561212;mircea_popescu;<pankkake> can we have decentralized scam victims already so this stops << ahahaha best log of the week today
602821;1396561233;Duffer1;mgio_ talk to virtuals on irc or virtualspade on bitcointalk.org he's handling all that
602822;1396561246;mircea_popescu;o hai mgio_
602823;1396561267;mircea_popescu;had you started reading here instead of derping on the "investor" forum you'd be a millionaire today.
602824;1396561269;mircea_popescu;just think!
602825;1396561302;mgio_;don't get me wrong, i've still done very very well off of bitcoin (and some securities)
602826;1396561312;mgio_;it just seems to all gone to sh*t recently
602827;1396561324;mircea_popescu;not moreso than per usual.
602828;1396561365;mgio_;i should have been content to just let my coins sit in my wallet
602829;1396561368;mircea_popescu;<dexx> how can i invest in knowledge? ;) << trilema credits :D
602830;1396561376;mircea_popescu;i think you already have those tho, so all invested.
602831;1396561377;dexx;haha true
602832;1396561400;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron don't forget the part where they fight EVIL FUDSTERS and my socks.
602833;1396561402;dexx;yes, i have a few :)
602834;1396561405;danielpbarron;yeah i bought some credits; that's a really cool system
602835;1396561520;mircea_popescu;"And the more you scam, the more fanboys you get - it's not that there is no incentive to be honest, it's that there is an incentive to be dishonest." methinks pankkake has it.
602836;1396561540;mircea_popescu;the way scammers work these days, they steal a little from a lot of muppets then give them a little of it back in exchange for forum shilling
602837;1396561540;pankkake;I need to be banned
602838;1396561545;mircea_popescu;apparently works wunderbar
602839;1396561547;pankkake;I will never stop otherwise
602840;1396561587;mircea_popescu;mgio_ there is recourse re the miner stuff. just, you didn't bother reading about it.
602841;1396561601;mircea_popescu;theory is here : http://trilema.com/2013/the-positive-market-effects-of-the-delivery-bet/
602842;1396561601;danielpbarron;a lot of the bitcoin media networks are helping promote the scammers; like letstalkbitcoin, they were giving coverage to AuroraCoin recently... that's woefully irresponsible of them
602843;1396561619;mircea_popescu;the practice is here : http://bitbet.us/bet/450/bitfurys-asic-will-work-with-power-1/
602844;1396561633;mircea_popescu;and http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/ and etc.
602845;1396561640;jurov;danielpbarron: because it's the same people
602846;1396561650;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron letstalkbitcoin are a buncha clueless kids.
602847;1396561659;danielpbarron;well they are a major gateway
602848;1396561661;mircea_popescu;max keiser & stacy herbert were doing the same thing, which is a lot worse.
602849;1396561665;mircea_popescu;major my foot.
602850;1396561710;danielpbarron;well you can get their news on iTunes; that's a huge market
602851;1396561718;danielpbarron;most individuals don't know what IRC is
602852;1396561725;mircea_popescu;most individuals aren't a "market".
602853;1396561751;jurov;i'm curious why the effects apply only on mining hardware
602854;1396561768;jurov;i was running on cardano bet and nobody came
602855;1396561792;mike_c;exactly :) the provider wasn't confident.
602856;1396561811;mgio_;what would you guys do if you were me, re ukyo.loan?
602857;1396561812;dexx;cardano.. the gpg thingy which was scheduled for xmas 2013? <.<"
602858;1396561816;mike_c;plus, no money was lost by pre-orderers when cardano slipped
602859;1396561822;jurov;maybe it was xmas 2014?
602860;1396561832;dexx;hehe
602861;1396561851;mircea_popescu;<mike_c> plus, no money was lost by pre-orderers when cardano slipped << prolly th bigger factor. not much to hedge.
602862;1396561877;jurov;should have made bet on trezor instead
602863;1396561891;jurov;now it's too late
602864;1396561899;mike_c;even still.  with miners the pre-orderers are actually losing money every day it is late.
602865;1396561905;mircea_popescu;lmao wait, ognasty thinks neo was an "easily spottable" scam ?
602866;1396561908;mircea_popescu;bwahaha save me mary.
602867;1396561936;dexx;he probably generalized
602868;1396561943;dexx;scam = labcoin = neo
602869;1396561952;mircea_popescu;dude is running a scam.
602870;1396561966;dexx;oh?
602871;1396561969;mircea_popescu;spotted like... a year ago or so.
602872;1396562001;dexx;;;google ognasty trilema
602873;1396562001;gribble;No matches found.
602874;1396562030;mircea_popescu;well i didn't trilema each and every single one of them
602875;1396562043;mircea_popescu;;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com ognasty scam
602876;1396562044;gribble;NEXT: 23-01-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-01-2014&bots=true>; NEXT: 08-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014>; NEXT: 30-08-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2013>
602877;1396562098;mircea_popescu;nothing much there either.
602878;1396562181;mgio_;so wiat, we are all just a bunch of scammers scamming each other?
602879;1396562196;mircea_popescu;who's "we" ?
602880;1396562205;mgio_;all of us (i was kidding)
602881;1396562218;mike_c;if we == forum_users: print "yes"
602882;1396562224;mgio_;everyone who posts on the forums has some kind of hidden motivation
602883;1396562225;mgio_;yes
602884;1396562243;mircea_popescu;prolly.
602885;1396562261;mircea_popescu;well there were a few silly people still posting there without trying to scam, but they';re quickly disappearing
602886;1396562355;nubbins`;fuck this, i'm getting drunk and listening to blood on the tracks
602887;1396562372;mircea_popescu;meanwhile somewhere else, http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3i9zhVhP51qzn5vfo1_1280.jpg
602888;1396562406;dexx;hehe looks like no one noticed
602889;1396562449;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
602890;1396562460;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 446.0, Best ask: 448.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000, Last trade: 446.0, 24 hour volume: 27538.79141599, 24 hour low: 416.11, 24 hour high: 465.0, 24 hour vwap: 0
602891;1396562460;mgio_;has everyone tried the bitcoin simulator? http://www.beepboopbitcoin.com
602892;1396562466;mgio_;its really pretty accurate
602893;1396562589;mircea_popescu;mgio_ never seen that before. who made it ?
602894;1396562602;mgio_;i dunno, someone posted it on my facebook wall yesterday
602895;1396562610;mgio_;its hilarious, play all the way through
602896;1396562680;dexx;http://www.beepboopbitcoin.com/about.html
602897;1396562681;ozbot;Advanced Bitcoin Simulator
602898;1396562690;mircea_popescu;Your account has a balance of 783.06 USD.
602899;1396562696;mircea_popescu;im liek getting rich over here.
602900;1396562732;nubbins`;quick, cash out
602901;1396562744;mircea_popescu;Dear tacoX Customers,
602902;1396562744;mircea_popescu;In the event of recent news reports and the potential repercussions on tacoX's operations and the market, a decision was taken to shut down and keep all your money. We will be closely monitoring the situation and will react accordingly.
602903;1396562751;mircea_popescu;lol i had like 50 btc out of the 1 i had originally made.
602904;1396562751;dexx;lol
602905;1396562778;bounce;before that it says "withdrawals will take up to 22 months"
602906;1396562778;mircea_popescu;Accomplished:
602907;1396562778;mircea_popescu;Anonymous Cryptocurrency
602908;1396562778;mircea_popescu;Gave sensitive personal information to someone you don't know
602909;1396562778;mircea_popescu;Twenty-One Links Of Blockchain Around My Leg
602910;1396562778;mircea_popescu;Went into debt
602911;1396562779;mircea_popescu;No Transaction Fees!
602912;1396562781;mircea_popescu;Paid a transaction fee
602913;1396562782;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the light bulbs! you blew these yourself?
602914;1396562783;mircea_popescu;A Bear Called The End
602915;1396562785;mircea_popescu;Bought a bitcoin with U.S. dollars
602916;1396562787;mircea_popescu;Security And Control Over Your Money
602917;1396562789;mircea_popescu;Had your bitcoins disappear without a trace
602918;1396562797;mircea_popescu;You have 0.00 bitcoins.
602919;1396562797;mircea_popescu;You have lost a net 24.24 fiat dollars.
602920;1396562800;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes.
602921;1396562809;asciilifeform;neato
602922;1396562816;mgio_;it gets worse, try some of the investments and buy an asicminer
602923;1396562820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00095839 = 23.0014 BTC [-]
602924;1396562827;mircea_popescu;Not Yet Accomplished:
602925;1396562827;mircea_popescu;Captain of Industry
602926;1396562827;mircea_popescu;Create your own financial empire
602927;1396562827;mircea_popescu;I Am The One Percent
602928;1396562827;mircea_popescu;Make a million U.S. dollars
602929;1396562827;mircea_popescu;Pillar Of The Community
602930;1396562829;mircea_popescu;Make a positive contribution to society
602931;1396562838;mircea_popescu;lol i accomplished all those, but hey. i guess im not the demo
602932;1396562891;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wait a second. what do you mean by "blew" ?
602933;1396562893;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever make valves?
602934;1396562897;asciilifeform;blew - as in, glass
602935;1396562906;mircea_popescu;o holy hell no
602936;1396562952;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl-QMuUQhVM
602937;1396562952;ozbot;hand making vacuum tubes Part 1 - YouTube
602938;1396562991;mircea_popescu;well sure, im notdisputing it can be done
602939;1396563038;asciilifeform;the hard vacuum is the... hard part.
602940;1396563059;asciilifeform;if embarking on this, get an ion diffusion 2nd stage pump from a university surplus. $100 or so where i live.
602941;1396563152;nubbins`;so i'm googling the name of a zine, i get "a whale" typed in, and autosuggest says "adopt a whale and kill it"
602942;1396563153;nubbins`;;(
602943;1396563176;mircea_popescu;must be right.
602944;1396563193;nubbins`;nod
602945;1396563201;mike_c;i don't get that. must be a personalized result
602946;1396563207;mircea_popescu;:D
602947;1396563230;mircea_popescu;do you perchance get "marry a whale and help her lose weight" ?
602948;1396563235;jurov;how did they make hard vacuum in 1920s?
602949;1396563244;mike_c;whoa, spot on!
602950;1396563246;nubbins`;haha
602951;1396563252;asciilifeform;jurov: something like edison's mercury pump, i believe.
602952;1396563255;nubbins`;jurov they did it in outer space
602953;1396563257;nubbins`;wait
602954;1396563299;asciilifeform;the '20s were not 'stone age.' they had most of what we have now, roughly.
602955;1396563300;mike_c;(obligatory note to my wife - just kidding!)
602956;1396563304;asciilifeform;(yes, incl. semiconductors)
602957;1396563326;asciilifeform;99% of the maths anybody uses now, too.
602958;1396563368;danielpbarron;i'm not nearly as good at beepboopbitcoin as I am at real Bitcoin
602959;1396563369;jurov;asciilifeform: you read the link i posted few days ago?
602960;1396563378;asciilifeform;jurov: which one?
602961;1396563390;jurov;that they etched vacuum-tube-like transistors in silicon
602962;1396563402;asciilifeform;grantmanship.
602963;1396563407;danielpbarron;I think i'm really fortunate that I didn't start reading bitcointalk until very recently; i've been completely in the dark about all these potential ways to throw my money away
602964;1396563411;jurov;and cuz they are so small, don't actually need vacuum
602965;1396563428;bounce;I read they did that uhm 10+ years back already. difference here seemed to be they managed to make it a lot smaller again.
602966;1396563435;bounce;different uni then though
602967;1396563446;jurov;whats' grantmanship? uni vaporware?
602968;1396563465;mircea_popescu;just about
602969;1396563476;mircea_popescu;btw jurov people keep asking me if that paper is for real :D
602970;1396563477;asciilifeform;;;google nuvistor
602971;1396563478;gribble;Nuvistor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuvistor>; The Nuvistor - The Valve Page: <http://www.thevalvepage.com/valvetek/Nuvistor/nuvistor.htm>; Nuvistor: Parts & Tubes | eBay: <http://www.ebay.com/bhp/nuvistor>
602972;1396563479;asciilifeform;existed.
602973;1396563479;mircea_popescu;you'll be famous.
602974;1396563517;asciilifeform;this was actually a serious leap in vacuum tube tech - they didn't need to be pumped, or made of glass
602975;1396563530;asciilifeform;so the early transistor, for a while, could not compete on price.
602976;1396563818;mircea_popescu;soo apparently teh sa crowd hangs out on mibbit. http://client00.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.synirc.net&channel=%23buttcoin
602977;1396563970;pankkake;mibbit is just a horrible web irc client
602978;1396564100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 9 @ 0.07801213 = 0.7021 BTC [-] {5} 
602979;1396564183;mgio_;I just read your article on bitbet to leverage mining delays, very interesting stuff
602980;1396564283;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 105 @ 0.00399993 = 0.42 BTC [-]
602981;1396564405;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 100 @ 0.004 = 0.4 BTC [+]
602982;1396564579;turbo_ac100;mike_c: warm fuzzy feeling :)
602983;1396564783;chatquack;shhh shhhh shhhhhh, it's all going to be ok.
602984;1396564806;*;chatquack wants attention.
602985;1396564852;chatquack;Who want's to drink and quote frank zappa with me?
602986;1396564872;*;turbo_ac100 drinkin', no zappa though
602987;1396564878;chatquack;~Well, go on and get it over with it then~
602988;1396564888;chatquack;Well, that's good enough!
602989;1396564893;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 18 @ 0.00812996 = 0.1463 BTC [+] {3} 
602990;1396564902;*;chatquack shakes turbo_ac100's hand and hands him a beer.
602991;1396564948;*;turbo_ac100 is listening to hands on experiences about compulsory auctions. Sent from his iPhone.
602992;1396565002;chatquack;woah. /me checks it our\
602993;1396565007;chatquack;out**
602994;1396565019;*;turbo_ac100 frequently lies about his phone though.
602995;1396565048;chatquack;All I found was a True Blood playlist.
602996;1396565060;chatquack;Snookie does something or other.
602997;1396565078;*;chatquack doesn't have a phone
602998;1396565092;chatquack;I smashed my 4s and it felt good/bad
602999;1396565109;chatquack;~There are three things that smell like fish~
603000;1396565142;turbo_ac100;Cleaning your tin foil hat will get rid of the bad feelings fo shizzle!
603001;1396565148;chatquack;~One of them is "fish"~
603002;1396565163;chatquack;~The other two... are growing on youuuuuuuu~
603003;1396565182;chatquack;I know right?!? Gotta change the foil out.
603004;1396565213;*;chatquack shakes the pizza greese off
603005;1396565245;chatquack;So, I've got to move out by the end of this month... I'm freaking out.
603006;1396565266;chatquack;Thinking about just buring the place down, so I don't have to pack boxes.
603007;1396565288;turbo_ac100;mid-term solution! I like it!
603008;1396565405;chatquack;hehe yes.
603009;1396565432;chatquack;I really like my land lord though. She's a sweety.
603010;1396565442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00095945 = 7.6276 BTC [+]
603011;1396565470;chatquack;But my love for burning things to the ground is very strong.
603012;1396565498;turbo_ac100;Listen to your heart!
603013;1396565555;chatquack;hehehehehheheh
603014;1396565567;chatquack;Fuck it, we're burning it down.
603015;1396565625;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.06 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2} 
603016;1396565626;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.04239 = 0.3815 BTC [-]
603017;1396565627;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.10144642 = 0.913 BTC [-]
603018;1396565634;chatquack;Oh shit. Dave Matthews band is playing.
603019;1396565652;chatquack;I'm totally burning this place down. *love dave tho*
603020;1396565683;chatquack;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gXuYFih6Y8
603021;1396565684;ozbot;Dave Matthews Band - What Would You Say - YouTube
603022;1396565701;chatquack;I'd say, "Fuck it!".
603023;1396565755;chatquack;~MOM, IT'S MY BIRTHDAY~
603024;1396565771;*;chatquack starts dancing with a torch
603025;1396565814;Duffer1;ha
603026;1396565922;chatquack;~knock knock on the door, who's it for?~ BURRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNN
603027;1396565947;*;chatquack whispers, "There's no one out there"
603028;1396566020;chatquack;I know most of you don't know me, but you may just get to witness me go over the edge. I just but the live Dave Mathews album, "Rember Two Things" on.
603029;1396566048;chatquack;All I can think of is what's his face from SNL on Jeperdy.
603030;1396566058;chatquack;Perfect 'Dave'
603031;1396566135;chatquack;shhh, don't engage him, maybe he'll go away...
603032;1396566174;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0424 = 0.212 BTC [+]
603033;1396566240;arizona;You aren't bothering me.  Please procede.
603034;1396566316;mircea_popescu;da fuck's going on here.
603035;1396566324;arizona;lol
603036;1396566342;*;chatquack consoles mircea_popescu
603037;1396566355;chatquack;also "pokes with stick"
603038;1396566377;chatquack;It's like getting hugged by a hedghog.
603039;1396566403;*;chatquack "air violins"
603040;1396566440;chatquack;[air violing intensifies]
603041;1396566473;chatquack;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsUuYkMHV4w
603042;1396566474;ozbot;Dave Matthews Band - Tripping Billies - YouTube
603043;1396566572;chatquack;I think I've tripped harded enough to knock over a few billies.
603044;1396566618;mircea_popescu;chatquack donation address is on http://bitcoin-assets.com/
603045;1396566632;chatquack;mircea_popescu's over here thinking, "I'm making money, I'm making money, I'm making money, this is just noise"
603046;1396566645;chatquack;ooo I have not been there.
603047;1396566658;chatquack;Not that I have much to donate, but I shall.
603048;1396566672;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Miles_Glacier_Bridge%2C_damage_and_kludge%2C_1984.jpg
603049;1396566672;chatquack;I'm going homeless at the end of the month.
603050;1396566685;mircea_popescu;you too ?
603051;1396566687;chatquack;Ya, that bridge.
603052;1396566689;mircea_popescu;there must be something going around
603053;1396566693;chatquack;ha right?
603054;1396566710;chatquack;I'll probably save up more money than I ever have.
603055;1396566719;mircea_popescu;well don't donate if you're homeless, do a nekkid dance or something.
603056;1396566721;chatquack;And also, make the least.
603057;1396566739;chatquack;ok, nekkid dances keep me warm.
603058;1396566751;chatquack;So does the clothes...
603059;1396566765;*;chatquack has lived in a car before AMA
603060;1396566782;chatquack;oh shit, just spilt beer on my belly
603061;1396566788;*;chatquack rubs it in
603062;1396566823;chatquack;Really though, my last "homeless" car was bigger.
603063;1396566834;chatquack;This is really going to be a bit of a down-grade.
603064;1396566883;chatquack;Let's see where that qoute lives.....something about house payment or the car's.
603065;1396566889;cads;I imagine the worst part about being homeless is that it's hard to keep up a decent bandwidth.
603066;1396566917;cads;how can you produce enough value to leave that state if your bandwidth is down to zero, I dunno.
603067;1396566944;cads;It's like game over till someone gives you some clean clothes so you can be allowed into a library
603068;1396566951;cads;where you'll at least have /some/ bandwidth
603069;1396566967;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00017899 = 0.179 BTC [+]
603070;1396567028;chatquack;hmmm
603071;1396567040;chatquack;cads, you bring up an intresting point
603072;1396567080;chatquack;I think there is a sub $100 wifi-3g huuhaa in this state, not sure about coverage though.
603073;1396567097;chatquack;Oh fuck, nearly out of beer.
603074;1396567115;cads;you can sometimes make provisional deals with wifi network owners in the area
603075;1396567157;chatquack;Oh snap, I should become one of thoese 'owners'.
603076;1396567200;cads;I can show you how to give your clients their own unique virtual SSID and password
603077;1396567202;*;chatquack loves neighbors that love him
603078;1396567211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13223 @ 0.000179 = 2.3669 BTC [+] {5} 
603079;1396567220;chatquack;Right? Network sec is important!
603080;1396567243;cads;neighbors are great but I think in this day of arcane (and restrictive) provider contracts, they're too reluctant to pool resources
603081;1396567278;cads;also in this day of strong exploits it's not safe to let a stranger on your network
603082;1396567320;chatquack;Net sec should look to H&K... Keine Kompromisse!
603083;1396567325;chatquack;eh true
603084;1396567333;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.04294312 = 0.9877 BTC [+] {4} 
603085;1396567338;chatquack;ok, ya, go ahead and ruin my dreams.
603086;1396567353;chatquack;Becoming an isp might mitagate
603087;1396567356;cads;you just have to talk faster than your prospect's worries :)
603088;1396567372;cads;yep, become a rogue ISP
603089;1396567374;cads;DOOO it
603090;1396567378;chatquack;there still could be hope as a rooftop point to point ISP
603091;1396567387;chatquack;hahhaha
603092;1396567390;chatquack;I like it!
603093;1396567413;chatquack;Most people want free movies, not kiddie crap.
603094;1396567422;chatquack;eh that
603095;1396567426;chatquack;'s an issue
603096;1396567449;chatquack;the whole "your responsiblility" issue
603097;1396567516;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00018199 = 0.364 BTC [-]
603098;1396567537;chatquack;oooo ooo ooo what about encapsalating (sic.) all the date and encripting it to a 3rd party?
603099;1396567547;chatquack;data**
603100;1396567580;chatquack;No ISP can know what their clients will access anyway.
603101;1396567601;chatquack;There must be a protection method.
603102;1396567686;chatquack;Fuck it. I'm just going to drive a van around with a bunch of decrete antennas
603103;1396567756;chatquack;The whole town's like, "why doesn't my remot outdoor thermometer work anymore?"
603104;1396567764;chatquack;remote**
603105;1396567803;*;chatquack kick chatquack Too much talky talky
603106;1396567914;BingoBoingo;http://www.beepboopbitcoin.com/homeless.html
603107;1396567914;ozbot;Parchment
603108;1396568015;pankkake;nice!
603109;1396568208;mike_c;awesome. i don't remember the commands though :)
603110;1396568212;chatquack;oh wow. I was looking at the wrong channel think this was it.
603111;1396568269;chatquack;awwww BingoBoingo, that normally takes hours to get to that point.
603112;1396568272;cazalla;i got the reciept from the atm but was like fuck it, i don't have the attention span for these games anymore
603113;1396568280;chatquack;ha
603114;1396568298;BingoBoingo;chatquack: well, it can happen faster
603115;1396568312;chatquack;this may be true
603116;1396568343;*;chatquack needs to alias mr to me
603117;1396568363;chatquack;some thing like alias ls ld
603118;1396568370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.06 = 0.3 BTC [+]
603119;1396568371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17266 @ 0.00095752 = 16.5325 BTC [-] {2} 
603120;1396568380;chatquack;errr ,ld ls    heh wow
603121;1396568395;chatquack;many wow, such trhanks
603122;1396568421;chatquack;~The street runs by your house to the south.~
603123;1396568446;chatquack;;;eauth chatquack
603124;1396568447;gribble;Request successful for user chatquack, hostmask chatquack!~chatquack@unaffiliated/chatquack. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/56EF11E53FE449F5
603125;1396568547;chatquack;;;everify chatquack http://pastebin.com/LtKvtc4P
603126;1396568548;gribble;(everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
603127;1396568560;chatquack;*gasp*
603128;1396568573;chatquack;;;everify http://pastebin.com/LtKvtc4P
603129;1396568573;gribble;Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.
603130;1396568580;chatquack;oh well fuck
603131;1396568598;chatquack;BingoBoingo is a bit embaressed
603132;1396568608;chatquack;;;eauth chatquack
603133;1396568608;BingoBoingo;?
603134;1396568609;gribble;Request successful for user chatquack, hostmask chatquack!~chatquack@unaffiliated/chatquack. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/56EF11E53FE449F5
603135;1396568635;chatquack;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3952c37eb5f16e15af0e603d73f80dc4a6a9acfa209ad36554cb8356
603136;1396568643;chatquack;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3952c37eb5f16e15af0e603d73f80dc4a6a9acfa209ad36554cb8356
603137;1396568644;gribble;You are now authenticated for user chatquack with key 56EF11E53FE449F5
603138;1396568667;chatquack;of fuck, no BingoBoingo taught me well, I'm just drunk and forgetfull
603139;1396568703;chatquack;I'm pretty sure someone jeeps moving the keys on my keyboard.
603140;1396568736;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.04240563 = 2.6291 BTC [-] {4} 
603141;1396568737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00095945 = 4.0777 BTC [+]
603142;1396568996;chatquack;guh. i'm jsustst a drunk shlab
603143;1396569047;cads;Lol, don't get down on yourself. In here. We'll ridicule you :)
603144;1396569085;chatquack;I feel much better cads. Thank you. Have something in return: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tctfq4tplQ4&feature=kp
603145;1396569104;cads;I love opening random IRC links. Ever since I was a kid.
603146;1396569110;*;chatquack strums the getar really hard.
603147;1396569120;chatquack;hahhaha right? always a mistery!
603148;1396569158;cads;If you can stare into the "eye" of the goatse man, you know you're a product of the deep internet.
603149;1396569176;chatquack;I've never found his actuall eye.
603150;1396569194;chatquack;oh, "eye".
603151;1396569208;chatquack;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tctfq4tplQ4&feature=kp
603152;1396569209;ozbot;Tiger Woods by Dan Bern - YouTube
603153;1396569216;chatquack;there it is
603154;1396569223;chatquack;thank you ozbot
603155;1396569229;cads;yes, it must not move you at all, neither north nor south, you must simply acknowledge - there goes a diety of the internet
603156;1396569240;chatquack;ha
603157;1396569272;chatquack;~which one are you BABY~
603158;1396569282;*;chatquack love dan bern
603159;1396569342;chatquack;./nick big_as_the_swing_on_tiger_woods
603160;1396569377;chatquack;No missing link is another really good one
603161;1396569393;chatquack;REally though, Dan is fucked in the head.
603162;1396569420;cads;Look at the wonderful art http://animexpansion.com/forums/index.php?/gallery/member/1-mistystuffer/
603163;1396569447;chatquack;I love that he quotes Jesus as saying phrases like, "fuck it".
603164;1396569454;*;chatquack looks
603165;1396569485;chatquack;wow
603166;1396569490;chatquack;just eoe
603167;1396569513;cads;that is an artist that enjoys what he does, so I can't fault him/her
603168;1396569527;chatquack;http://animexpansion.com/forums/uploads/1344932425/med_gallery_1_645_122090.png mmmm I could love both of them!
603169;1396569549;chatquack;So inviting@
603170;1396569568;cads;adorable, right?
603171;1396569585;chatquack;Ohmyfuck, my speakers are loud. YeS! ADORABLE!
603172;1396569596;chatquack;I could roll over them for days!
603173;1396569602;cads;I'll never love anything as much as this man loves to draw morbidly obese girls
603174;1396569612;chatquack;hhahahaha
603175;1396569614;chatquack;Can
603176;1396569617;chatquack;Cant
603177;1396569624;chatquack;hmmmm my keys
603178;1396569636;chatquack;enter is soooo close to shift
603179;1396569710;chatquack;Can't remember now. Something about fat chicks and how I love 'em!
603180;1396569732;chatquack;~Something ab out the missing link, There's no missing link!!!!!~
603181;1396569771;chatquack;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmMsxqWYK-g&feature=kp
603182;1396569772;ozbot;No Missing Link: By Dan Bern - YouTube
603183;1396569783;chatquack;Going to sing type nowe...
603184;1396569796;BCB;did anyone see the texas guidance today
603185;1396569801;BCB;*err memo
603186;1396569830;chatquack;~They looked for the missing link~
603187;1396569840;chatquack;~There's no missing link~
603188;1396569851;chatquack;~They'll never find the missing link~
603189;1396569860;chatquack;~There's no missing link~
603190;1396569869;chatquack;~We're not something~
603191;1396569879;chatquack;~You can figure out with an equation~
603192;1396569886;chatquack;~We are the genetic mutation~
603193;1396569894;artifexd;BCB no. got a link?
603194;1396569912;chatquack;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmMsxqWYK-g&feature=kp
603195;1396569912;ozbot;No Missing Link: By Dan Bern - YouTube
603196;1396569933;BCB;artifexd, http://www.dob.texas.gov/lg_manual/sm1037.pdf
603197;1396569943;chatquack;~aaaalllliens came and fucked the  monkey, they fucked the monkey~
603198;1396569964;chatquack;I'm scared. What is that BcB?
603199;1396569991;chatquack;~Seven billion bastards. Screaming for our Daddy~
603200;1396569997;BCB;chatquack, bitcoin analysis from the state of texas
603201;1396570003;chatquack;nice
603202;1396570007;*;chatquack looks
603203;1396570014;cads;http://cdn.3dprintingindustry.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Lix-pen-3d-printing-700.jpg
603204;1396570018;BCB;Regulatory Treatment of Virtual Currencies Under the Texas Money Services Act
603205;1396570021;cads;work of art made by a 3d printing pen
603206;1396570035;chatquack;Mostly 5 pages?!?!
603207;1396570038;chatquack;fuck
603208;1396570039;artifexd;"Exchanging virtual currency for sovereign currency is not currency exchange under the Texas
603209;1396570039;artifexd;Finance Code." Nice
603210;1396570157;chatquack;FTA "Because cryptocurrency is not money under the Money Services Act, receiving it in exchange for
603211;1396570157;chatquack;a promise to make it available at a later time or different location is not money transmission.
603212;1396570157;chatquack;Consequently, absent the involvement of sovereign currency in a transaction, no money
603213;1396570157;chatquack;transmission can occur. However, when a cryptocurrency transaction does include sovereign
603214;1396570157;chatquack;currency, it may be money transmission depending on how the sovereign currency is handled. A
603215;1396570157;chatquack;licensing analysis will be based on the handling of the sovereign currency." ughhhh
603216;1396570188;chatquack;wait
603217;1396570199;chatquack;it's it's OWN FUCKING CURRENCY!
603218;1396570226;chatquack;errrr, "it's its"
603219;1396570234;thestringpuller;watch them try to label buying alpaca socks in exchange for cryptocurrency is money transmission
603220;1396570261;chatquack;is't it?
603221;1396570305;chatquack;altho, I don't know what the diff between money and currency is...
603222;1396570307;thestringpuller;it's sovereign by definition so to impose laws on it seems a bit...moot
603223;1396570318;artifexd;Apparently not. They only care about how "soverign currency" is handled as per the following quote from near the bottom of page 3:
603224;1396570321;artifexd;"A
603225;1396570321;artifexd;licensing analysis will be based on the handling of the sovereign currency."
603226;1396570356;chatquack;so, someone (one individual or party) gets to name the price?
603227;1396570392;dexx;soo.. if i got that right. no atms?
603228;1396570399;chatquack;rather than lookin at bitcoinaveragedotderp or something?
603229;1396570422;*;chatquack misses his states' atm already
603230;1396570427;artifexd;ATMs are explicitly discussed.
603231;1396570437;chatquack;I didn't even drive over there and look at it.
603232;1396570452;artifexd;"... an automated machine is usually but not always money transmition"
603233;1396570456;dexx;yes
603234;1396570457;dexx;i read it
603235;1396570478;dexx;it's only none, if it's used as vending machine without access to an external exchange
603236;1396570498;chatquack;Wouldn't it be though?
603237;1396570543;chatquack;Somewhere in it's dump hardware would live the current blockchain.
603238;1396570549;chatquack;dumppy**
603239;1396570570;dexx;?
603240;1396570572;chatquack;And an api to "it's exchange".
603241;1396570595;dexx;it's about bitcoin/fiat exchanges
603242;1396570626;chatquack;In fact, can't we have bitcoin atm's that let us choose our fav exchanges (within price reason).
603243;1396570682;artifexd;That would make it sound like, to me, that two-way atms are not money transmitters.  I put USD in. I get btc out sold by the operator.  I put BTC in. I get USD out sold by the operator.
603244;1396570701;artifexd;I don't see it matter if the machine gets the exchange rate from an exchange.
603245;1396570705;chatquack;Oh wow. This Dan Bern album is still playing. Talking about how his car doesn't pick up the mexican stations. Wow. I love. ~Live'n in diferent worlds, right beside eachother.~
603246;1396570714;BingoBoingo;http://www.urbanbaby.com/topics/55248939
603247;1396570717;ozbot;UrbanBaby
603248;1396570727;dexx;artifexd: i think it's done this way with an atm in berlin
603249;1396570750;artifexd;Hm
603250;1396570789;chatquack;artifexd, ya. the atm itself chooses the prices and displays it to you before you hit, "confirm".
603251;1396570812;chatquack;well, it's chosen by some unseen algo, but hey, you know.
603252;1396570838;*;chatquack turns up the music a bit more.
603253;1396570869;dexx;chatquack: the underlying problem: the atm owner acts as escrow between user and exchange and this is appearingly the part is an act of a money transmission
603254;1396570885;chatquack;ugh.
603255;1396570901;chatquack;not just a snack maching at fixed prices 'eh?
603256;1396570935;dexx;you can run it as snack machine and even fetch prices from an exchange
603257;1396570937;chatquack;Bitcoin lemonade stands...
603258;1396570947;dexx;but you can't let the users use the exchange ;)
603259;1396570966;chatquack;buy a $2 lemo and pay with a $50, change in btc.
603260;1396570993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8052 @ 0.00095945 = 7.7255 BTC [+]
603261;1396570997;chatquack;or is that not fair trade?
603262;1396571015;thestringpuller;it can be, that would be a pricing mechanism
603263;1396571028;thestringpuller;if it's inefficient there will likely be a more "efficient" trade somewhere else in that market
603264;1396571046;chatquack;hm, pricing mechanism...coinbase?
603265;1396571047;thestringpuller;a $2 lemo bought for $0.50, change in btc
603266;1396571070;thestringpuller;or more $2 lemonade sold for $0.50
603267;1396571073;chatquack;hm. countries like their taxes.
603268;1396571074;thestringpuller;jsut to acquire btc
603269;1396571084;chatquack;let's give it to them
603270;1396571086;thestringpuller;then countries can collect their own currency?
603271;1396571116;chatquack;I see BTC tx's from big bank to another as a cost saver.
603272;1396571181;chatquack;BOA and whatnot should jump on board. but fuuuuck the quick changes in price. dunno what to do about them.
603273;1396571255;thestringpuller;don't worry about the changes in price?
603274;1396571261;chatquack;Sell futures as currents?
603275;1396571265;chatquack;ya, fuck it!
603276;1396571271;thestringpuller;that's been discussed...
603277;1396571277;chatquack;neat.
603278;1396571303;*;chatquack is drunk, angry, and poor.
603279;1396571329;thestringpuller;you don't have to be poor...
603280;1396571338;chatquack;heh, but rich in life
603281;1396571408;chatquack;Also, I bough land a couple of weeks ago. It turns out that I can pay for it in 3 years with blood plasma alone.
603282;1396571420;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0594 = 0.1188 BTC [-]
603283;1396571427;pankkake;davout: http://i.imgur.com/bao4xlx.png - now you really deserve a spanking!
603284;1396571432;chatquack;It feels a little matrixy.
603285;1396571440;pankkake;(I'm openening a ticket, no hurry)
603286;1396571470;chatquack;might want to frame the website credintals in the same pic.
603287;1396571518;dexx;don't you know bluring is bad? :p
603288;1396571529;dexx;better black out
603289;1396571543;chatquack;deep blue
603290;1396571546;pankkake;true. it's the bluring of Shutter, I don't know how well it's done
603291;1396571619;chatquack;Well, either wait it out or start screaming 'gox'.
603292;1396571661;chatquack;Iv've got to pee so badly.
603293;1396571664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 43 @ 0.0081 = 0.3483 BTC [+] {2} 
603294;1396571680;pankkake;peecrastinator?
603295;1396571804;chatquack;it's done
603296;1396571814;chatquack;HA
603297;1396571821;chatquack;pee
603298;1396571839;chatquack;fuck I need to eat food that isn't beer.
603299;1396571857;chatquack;or do i?
603300;1396571882;pankkake;it's not paleo, don't eat beer
603301;1396571908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17000 @ 0.00015218 = 2.5871 BTC [-] {9} 
603302;1396571914;chatquack;well, I'd still be drinking it
603303;1396571945;*;chatquack puts on some King Crimson
603304;1396571992;chatquack;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ubc5_owhl0
603305;1396571992;ozbot;King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man - YouTube
603306;1396572003;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6061595#msg6061595 big red wordz
603307;1396572004;ozbot;Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
603308;1396572026;chatquack;*turns it up to 5.11*
603309;1396572073;*;chatquack 's ears begin bleeding
603310;1396572091;thestringpuller;lol king crimson
603311;1396572103;chatquack;*headbangs whilest spraing blood*
603312;1396572114;thestringpuller;Damn I'm starting to hate havelock
603313;1396572118;thestringpuller;I hope my bet wins
603314;1396572149;kakobrekla;lol pankkake
603315;1396572173;pankkake;as of this week I have nothing in havelock
603316;1396572174;pankkake;yay
603317;1396572188;pankkake;(I also have not much coins)
603318;1396572192;mgio_;good for you pancake
603319;1396572222;pankkake;well, still divided by about 2 or 3 what I put in
603320;1396572242;chatquack;havelock is for children! (can someone explain what havelock is?)!
603321;1396572249;mgio_;do you think they will allow trading for neobee again soon?
603322;1396572267;pankkake;no idea I don't even understand any of the statements
603323;1396572275;mgio_;i dont see why they dont allow it now, people are trading on the forums anyways
603324;1396572281;*;chatquack grin begins to widen.
603325;1396572294;thestringpuller;;;estimate
603326;1396572296;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | 6015744763.58 based on data since last change | 6889012087.61 based on data for last three days
603327;1396572328;thestringpuller;http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/
603328;1396572336;chatquack;8b?
603329;1396572364;chatquack;oh, havelock :|
603330;1396572396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7999 @ 0.00016119 = 1.2894 BTC [+] {5} 
603331;1396572414;chatquack;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adgkDhCjMXw
603332;1396572415;ozbot;King Crimson - I Talk To The Wind (HQ) - YouTube
603333;1396572432;*;chatquack whisltes real good like
603334;1396572467;dexx;are you gecko_x2?
603335;1396572497;thestringpuller;!ticker h rent
603336;1396572497;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (108 shares, 0.81000000 BTC), 7D: 0.00600002 / 0.00739265 / 0.00750000 (19004 shares, 140.48993046 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00622803 / 0.00900001 (53743 shares, 334.71301440 BTC)
603337;1396572538;chatquack;gecko?
603338;1396572797;chatquack;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKQKUBrxyBc
603339;1396572797;ozbot;King Crimson - Epitaph (HQ) - YouTube
603340;1396572874;chatquack;~Confusion will be my epitaph.~
603341;1396572919;Ukyo;mgio_: ping
603342;1396573001;chatquack;~The fate of all mankind I see, Is in the hands of fools.~
603343;1396573018;chatquack;Oh fuck! WE run this place.
603344;1396573029;*;chatquack headbangs more.
603345;1396573219;chatquack;~Confusion will be my epitaph. As I crawl a cracked and broken path. If we make it we can all sit back and laugh. But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying, Yes I fear tomorrow I'll be crying...~
603346;1396573240;kakobrekla;are you sure you are on the right chan?
603347;1396573255;chatquack;no, no I am not sure.
603348;1396573271;kakobrekla;well then revisit that question
603349;1396573279;SatoshiJack;;;ident
603350;1396573279;gribble;Nick 'SatoshiJack', with hostmask 'SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18', is not identified.
603351;1396573279;antephialtic;so, I want to bootstrap my WoT rating, I've been lurking in this channel for a couple months now.
603352;1396573291;*;chatquack whisper in kakobrekla, "You are a god."
603353;1396573324;antephialtic;I can do short term programming work for hire, at reduced rates as I have no trust ratings
603354;1396573329;chatquack;ear...there was suposed to be "ear" somewhere in there.
603355;1396573350;*;chatquack wanders off.
603356;1396573375;SatoshiJack;;;gpg eauth
603357;1396573375;gribble;(gpg eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
603358;1396573396;SatoshiJack;;;gpg eauth SatoshiJack
603359;1396573397;gribble;Request successful for user SatoshiJack, hostmask SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/5A0C8593D887E89E
603360;1396573416;kakobrekla;antephialtic thats prolly not a bad way to go about it.
603361;1396573433;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 22 @ 0.00812899 = 0.1788 BTC [+] {4} 
603362;1396573470;SatoshiJack;;;gpg eauth SatoshiJack freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ab5ae4d79e1c9e44f5c140ec470d05f17517356025c972825cd0d9e6
603363;1396573470;gribble;(gpg eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
603364;1396573472;antephialtic;kakobrekla: yep, seems better than the whole "borrow btc for 1 week and repay"
603365;1396573494;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 62 @ 0.00951982 = 0.5902 BTC [+] {4} 
603366;1396573543;kakobrekla;anyway, as mp mentioned a day or two ago, these ideas on what to code to boost your wot come across -assets ~weekly.
603367;1396573578;kakobrekla;im sure there was at least one in the last week
603368;1396573604;dignork;antephialtic, I'd suggest you auth first, just to show that you know what you;re talking about
603369;1396573634;kakobrekla;i think someone mentioned doing a bitbet audit. thats free for the grabs
603370;1396573646;antephialtic;just did
603371;1396573759;dignork;kakobrekla, you mean source code audit, or just blackbox tinkering?
603372;1396573775;BingoBoingo;dignork: I believe financial audit
603373;1396573782;kakobrekla;^^
603374;1396573801;kakobrekla;its very simple
603375;1396573818;kakobrekla;and good community work
603376;1396573821;kakobrekla;:)
603377;1396573864;antephialtic;ah, I thought you meant security audit. I'm probably not the best choice for that type of work
603378;1396573884;kakobrekla;why?
603379;1396573888;BingoBoingo;Scan bitbet addresses and blockr.io and make a tool that returns yes or no for "Can BitBet pay out Bets"\
603380;1396573917;kakobrekla;you dont actually need to code the 'no' part.
603381;1396573930;antephialtic;well, I know all the basic stuff to look out for like SQL injection, XSRF, XSS, etc, but I haven't actually audited someone elses code before
603382;1396573938;antephialtic;but I could do a financial audit
603383;1396573960;kakobrekla;yes a financial is what we are discussing here
603384;1396573971;kakobrekla;anyway brb
603385;1396573982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00095781 = 1.8198 BTC [-]
603386;1396574052;chatquack;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IOYD9AkqHE
603387;1396574052;ozbot;King Crimson - The Court of the Crimson King (In the Court of the Crimson King) - YouTube
603388;1396574107;antephialtic;;;later tell kakobrekla cool, if all the info is public I'll probably do it this weekend. will PM you for details tomorrow.
603389;1396574107;gribble;The operation succeeded.
603390;1396574349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00095776 = 14.8453 BTC [-] {2} 
603391;1396575264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06309169 = 0.3155 BTC [+] {2} 
603392;1396575511;mircea_popescu;;;later tell antephialtic what sort of programming do you do ? maybe make that bitbet scrapper thing
603393;1396575512;gribble;The operation succeeded.
603394;1396575520;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you around ?
603395;1396575543;mircea_popescu;SatoshiJack you say ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ab5ae4d79blabla
603396;1396575573;mircea_popescu;darn BingoBoingo beat me to it
603397;1396575623;kakobrekla;what is a bitbet scrapper
603398;1396575690;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.06039 = 0.5435 BTC [+]
603399;1396575691;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla what you two were discussing above.
603400;1396575697;mircea_popescu;scrap the address list check balances
603401;1396575697;kakobrekla;a.
603402;1396575932;SatoshiJack;got it thanks...
603403;1396575952;SatoshiJack;I don't need to be there yet....
603404;1396575988;mircea_popescu;;;ident SatoshiJack
603405;1396575988;gribble;Nick 'SatoshiJack', with hostmask 'SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18', is identified as user 'SatoshiJack', with GPG key id 5A0C8593D887E89E, key fingerprint BFAC5777A91C88D4F021C28B5A0C8593D887E89E, and bitcoin address None
603406;1396575991;mircea_popescu;wd.
603407;1396575995;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04338131 = 0.4338 BTC [+]
603408;1396576016;mircea_popescu;pankkake pls pay 10k atc to SatoshiJack
603409;1396576038;pankkake;ok, give me an address
603410;1396576039;SatoshiJack;Hold a sec mp...let me look up atc for a min...
603411;1396576046;pankkake;ahah
603412;1396576062;mircea_popescu;give p an address when ready
603413;1396576069;SatoshiJack;will do thanks.
603414;1396576070;mircea_popescu;it's just bitcoin code on diff genblock basically.
603415;1396576073;pankkake;well, I'm going to bed, I'll send tomorrow likely
603416;1396576077;mircea_popescu;works
603417;1396576165;tg2;guys can I do some free brogramming for you to get otc ratingz
603418;1396576170;tg2;i can program in visual basic
603419;1396576175;tg2;and html
603420;1396576193;danielpbarron;you can't program html
603421;1396576200;tg2;nonsense, i'm programming it right now
603422;1396576202;tg2;<html>
603423;1396576203;tg2;see
603424;1396576214;danielpbarron;i see some markup language; no programming language
603425;1396576228;tg2;i also program css
603426;1396576235;*;danielpbarron stabs tg2
603427;1396576237;tg2;lol
603428;1396576349;tg2;;;later benkay - i have some html programming expertise to lend in exchange for otc
603429;1396576350;gribble;Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "benkay" in it.  Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
603430;1396576392;tg2;;;later tell benkay - i have some html programming expertise to lend in exchange for otc
603431;1396576393;gribble;The operation succeeded.
603432;1396576394;danielpbarron;why not just buy a rating
603433;1396576404;tg2;thats a sock thing to do
603434;1396576408;danielpbarron;it would be worth just as much
603435;1396576438;tg2;nvm just gonna sell some drugs on otc
603436;1396576448;danielpbarron;how is trading money for a rating any different than trading labor for a rating?
603437;1396576452;kakobrekla;html is not a programming language
603438;1396576468;nubbins`;^
603439;1396576477;tg2;http://i.imgur.com/6VoUJAb.jpg
603440;1396576481;danielpbarron;you should trade your labor for money and then get a rating for that transaction; that would be the legit thing to do
603441;1396576483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00095785 = 20.4022 BTC [+] {2} 
603442;1396576488;kakobrekla;asciilifeform , mebbe this explains coder vs programmer thingy :)
603443;1396576497;tg2;not sure if reverse trolling or genuinely trolled
603444;1396576505;tg2;trollception paradox
603445;1396576513;nubbins`;heh
603446;1396576521;tg2;lol I wager nubbins` got it
603447;1396576522;tg2;lol
603448;1396576527;nubbins`;html, while not a programming language, can be just as frustrating
603449;1396576533;*;danielpbarron is very gullible when it comes to others pretending to be idiots
603450;1396576543;*;tg2 understands given the propency for idiots
603451;1396576550;nubbins`;;;google propency
603452;1396576551;gribble;proponency - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/proponency>; proponent - definition of proponent by the Free Online Dictionary ...: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/proponent>; Army Comptroller Proponency (PO) - Office of the ASA (FMC): <http://asafm.army.mil/offices/office.aspx?officecode=1800>
603453;1396576555;kakobrekla;so can knitting, nubbins`
603454;1396576570;nubbins`;kakobrekla no kidding, ever see notation for making a pair of gloves?!
603455;1396576605;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0619 = 0.4952 BTC [-]
603456;1396576938;BingoBoingo;So... more tornados on the way
603457;1396577040;mircea_popescu;html is a derpgraming language
603458;1396577093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10309 @ 0.00095751 = 9.871 BTC [-]
603459;1396577100;tg2;inb4 nodehtml
603460;1396577642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00095878 = 14.957 BTC [+]
603461;1396577848;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete "measuring GDP is more a function of measuring what they can measure rather than what’s worth measuring" haha, this is like your first article i actually like. braver.
603462;1396577848;gribble;The operation succeeded.
603463;1396578390;kakobrekla;logs sitemap submitted to big brother. perhaps it will make search work better.
603464;1396578415;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete the cpi is in fact in question. http://trilema.com/2013/the-wonder-of-inflation/
603465;1396578415;gribble;The operation succeeded.
603466;1396578424;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla forward soviet!
603467;1396578429;kakobrekla;:)
603468;1396578618;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 52 @ 0.10144642 = 5.2752 BTC [-]
603469;1396578740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 11 @ 0.01289986 = 0.1419 BTC [+] {4} 
603470;1396578923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.02249999 = 0.135 BTC [+] {3} 
603471;1396579063;ThickAsThieves;<mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves you around ?  /// i am now
603472;1396579082;ThickAsThieves;so the forum says i'm in cahoots with you now
603473;1396579092;BingoBoingo;http://deadspin.com/matt-adams-shoves-fan-after-diving-for-foul-ball-fan-f-1557858900
603474;1396579092;ozbot;Matt Adams Shoves Fan After Diving For Foul Ball; Fan Flips The Bird
603475;1396579093;ThickAsThieves;i guess i finally made it
603476;1396579288;*;nubbins` claps
603477;1396579300;BingoBoingo;Chicago
603478;1396579301;BingoBoingo;http://deadspin.com/white-sox-games-are-eerily-empty-1557725119
603479;1396579301;ozbot;White Sox Games Are Eerily Empty
603480;1396579385;ThickAsThieves;if only a handful of people attended, why are they in the shitty seats?
603481;1396579391;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves check this shit out :
603482;1396579405;mircea_popescu;SatoshiJack.com
603483;1396579414;mircea_popescu;Just-Blackjack.com
603484;1396579426;mircea_popescu;guy's adding atc support as we speak, help him out will ye :D
603485;1396579439;ThickAsThieves;who is he?
603486;1396579440;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Because they dunno how to move
603487;1396579448;ThickAsThieves;do we trust him?
603488;1396579452;mircea_popescu;i have no idea, he just started talking at me one day. SatoshiJack
603489;1396579474;mircea_popescu;well, i sent him some atc and we see.
603490;1396579480;ThickAsThieves;cool cool
603491;1396579491;ThickAsThieves;SatoshiJack come hang out when you get a chance
603492;1396579520;ThickAsThieves;"MP sent TAT in as a sleeper agent from the beginning. Just waiting for the rest of his troll army to get the forums all riled up, and then use their combined mind control with TAT's relationship with Danny to make all the coins disappear."
603493;1396579525;ThickAsThieves;get out of my head!
603494;1396579555;mircea_popescu;that's not an actual quote is it ?
603495;1396579558;ThickAsThieves;it is
603496;1396579563;BingoBoingo;link?
603497;1396579565;mircea_popescu;these people are braindamaged srsly.
603498;1396579588;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553869.msg6062760#msg6062760
603499;1396579589;ozbot;NEO and BEE talk (unmoderated)
603500;1396579608;mircea_popescu;dude he's trolling them
603501;1396579610;ThickAsThieves;yeah
603502;1396579615;chetty;everything is a conspiracy
603503;1396579622;ThickAsThieves;but it comes after real conspricies
603504;1396579631;SatoshiJack;here....
603505;1396579642;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust SatoshiJack
603506;1396579643;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user SatoshiJack: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=SatoshiJack | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SatoshiJack | Rated since: never
603507;1396579674;ThickAsThieves;do you have a WoT SatoshiJack?
603508;1396579680;mircea_popescu;he justmade it.
603509;1396579683;ThickAsThieves;word
603510;1396579687;SatoshiJack;TAT--we've delt biz in the past --I'll PM you my personal email....sometime....I've used your services before.
603511;1396579696;ThickAsThieves;heh ok
603512;1396579717;mircea_popescu;" but I had to eliminate most of MP's claims, just cause he's typically full of shit like that"
603513;1396579723;ThickAsThieves;you might add some ATC support?
603514;1396579725;mircea_popescu;;;seen velacreations
603515;1396579725;gribble;velacreations was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 5 hours, 9 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <velacreations> thanks guys
603516;1396579733;mircea_popescu;;;later tell velacreations are you like fucktarded or something ?
603517;1396579734;gribble;The operation succeeded.
603518;1396579741;ThickAsThieves;yeah that vela dude is a nightmare from way back
603519;1396579742;SatoshiJack;Already in motion...
603520;1396579750;ThickAsThieves;i forget why
603521;1396579753;SatoshiJack;and I just pointed a miner over to the alt pool...
603522;1396579768;ThickAsThieves;sweet!
603523;1396579775;ThickAsThieves;i'm not allowed to mine any
603524;1396579785;ThickAsThieves;for a while wasnt even allowd to own any
603525;1396579787;SatoshiJack;Understood ;)
603526;1396579804;SatoshiJack;I'm ranked #1 on the pool :(
603527;1396579817;ThickAsThieves;it's like 1TH or so?
603528;1396579837;ThickAsThieves;there's a channel btw #altcoin
603529;1396579838;mircea_popescu;you're not allowed to mine any ?
603530;1396579844;SatoshiJack;nope sorry I'm number 4 ;)
603531;1396579847;ThickAsThieves;we've mostly overrun it for our own purposes
603532;1396579852;ThickAsThieves;yep
603533;1396579856;ThickAsThieves;i gave my word mp
603534;1396579863;ThickAsThieves;that i would never mine any
603535;1396579874;ThickAsThieves;no premine, no mine ever
603536;1396579899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00095701 = 15.0251 BTC [-] {2} 
603537;1396579903;ThickAsThieves;not sure it could be proven, but it's true
603538;1396579912;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Replied https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553869.msg6062931#msg6062931
603539;1396579915;ThickAsThieves;i also hate mining
603540;1396579923;ThickAsThieves;sooo not too hard to obey
603541;1396579928;mircea_popescu;can you even mine any ?
603542;1396579940;mircea_popescu;ah yes ok then :p
603543;1396579964;ThickAsThieves;i still have some fancy GPUs in static bags
603544;1396579993;ThickAsThieves;sold most after i made all my money back and more on LTC mining
603545;1396580020;ThickAsThieves;i had to use one today cuz the GPU in my wife's pc died
603546;1396580025;ThickAsThieves;so there's that
603547;1396580061;ThickAsThieves;BingoBoingo, best not to encourage them
603548;1396580067;ThickAsThieves;they dont know whats what
603549;1396580077;mircea_popescu;the goons are getting bored in there, gotta stir the pot.
603550;1396580095;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves watch it all end up being your fault.
603551;1396580120;ThickAsThieves;vela probly wont stop til it is
603552;1396580122;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: We have to support the Drama or MP loses the Berkshire bet
603553;1396580133;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/2834294b16d828383734c83c38aac08c/tumblr_mk98brAk7N1rihpaso1_500.jpg << moiety is that a manul ?
603554;1396580145;ThickAsThieves;the sad thing is, you cant even tell these people any wild theory is wrong
603555;1396580151;ThickAsThieves;theyll just seek some other one
603556;1396580164;CheckDavid;Awesome English mircea_popescu
603557;1396580199;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid hm ?
603558;1396580200;ThickAsThieves;dang that girl's bod!
603559;1396580209;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: them feed them wilder theories
603560;1396580236;ThickAsThieves;i need to behave
603561;1396580245;ThickAsThieves;cant go dicking around in the matter
603562;1396580246;mircea_popescu;she's great isn't she.
603563;1396580282;CheckDavid;Your article mircea_popescu for fuck's sake
603564;1396580305;mircea_popescu;i have like 8k articles.
603565;1396580315;CheckDavid;The last one you posted
603566;1396580326;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00095656 = 24.4879 BTC [-]
603567;1396580328;mircea_popescu;a a
603568;1396580330;CheckDavid;OK never mind
603569;1396580342;mircea_popescu;yeah, i still dunno what you meant :p
603570;1396580346;CheckDavid;Actually the last one posted in this chat room
603571;1396580379;CheckDavid;I thought it was you linking it.
603572;1396580424;mircea_popescu;so basically... you're confused :)
603573;1396580439;ThickAsThieves;omg SatoshiJack get rid of that Are you sure you want to leave this page? popup
603574;1396580444;ThickAsThieves;ultra scammy
603575;1396580478;ThickAsThieves;unless of course youre a scammer
603576;1396580481;ThickAsThieves;in that case leave it
603577;1396581016;chetty;http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/2014/4/3/turns-out-even-the-price-of-beer-is-rigged.html
603578;1396581017;ozbot;Testosterone Pit - Home - Turns Out, Even The Price of Beer Is Rigged
603579;1396581120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00095797 = 21.8896 BTC [+] {2} 
603580;1396581424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00095923 = 12.9496 BTC [+] {2} 
603581;1396581519;SatoshiJack;TAT --- right now we are focused on game play/engine --- The front page is not set in stone by any means --- but check out the chats and the sit at a table -- register an account -- and play.
603582;1396581605;SatoshiJack;join my table :)
603583;1396581790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00095972 = 18.5226 BTC [+] {2} 
603584;1396581912;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 291 @ 0.00567893 = 1.6526 BTC [+] {5} 
603585;1396581947;MisterE;http://www.examiner.com/article/secret-google-meeting-targeted-internet-freedom-iran
603586;1396581948;ozbot;Secret Google meeting targeted Internet freedom in Iran - San Francisco Technology | Examiner.com
603587;1396582644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15875 @ 0.00096046 = 15.2473 BTC [+] {3} 
603588;1396582663;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
603589;1396582668;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 436.24, vol: 22241.00865357 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 436.021, vol: 19481.42811 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 438.6, vol: 20965.51969093 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 432.87, vol: 156.11726094 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 424.333512, vol: 6938.87890000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 447.54221, vol: 23.20186889 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 447.386625, vol: 74.73693948 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
603590;1396582770;BingoBoingo;;;more
603591;1396582771;gribble;average: 435.712870165
603592;1396583254;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [-]
603593;1396583315;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00095656 = 9.4221 BTC [-]
603594;1396583498;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61889899 BTC [+]
603595;1396583986;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.04329999 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {2} 
603596;1396584108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00095656 = 12.4831 BTC [-]
603597;1396584291;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.05951384 = 0.7737 BTC [-] {2} 
603598;1396584292;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.04338132 = 0.4772 BTC [+]
603599;1396585938;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.0057 = 0.3306 BTC [+]
603600;1396586296;BingoBoingo;;;later tell moiety wallpaper sided version of your manul wallpaper http://hdwallpapersyouneed.com/wallpaper/cats_wildcat_manul_desktop_1600x1067_hd-wallpaper-1009019.jpg
603601;1396586296;gribble;The operation succeeded.
603602;1396586341;BingoBoingo;Also http://www.wallpaperstop.co/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Manul-Face-Handsome-Cute-Fluffy.jpg
603603;1396586426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.01325011 = 0.1325 BTC [-]
603604;1396586816;MisterE;ante
603605;1396586825;BingoBoingo;?
603606;1396586827;MisterE;how you gonna get work and rated if you dont idle...
603607;1396586853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00096082 = 36.2229 BTC [+]
603608;1396586866;BingoBoingo;Right now my big concern is not getting tornadoes
603609;1396586912;MisterE;;; later tell antephialtic I'm looking for someone to take a site idea from napkin to prototype, contact me especially if you have SE/ranking experiences
603610;1396586913;gribble;The operation succeeded.
603611;1396586923;MisterE;heh even with crap syntax
603612;1396586948;MisterE;BingoBoingo: you in the alley?
603613;1396586963;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Near St Louis
603614;1396586969;MisterE;ahh yea
603615;1396586979;MisterE;shit gets reak there sometimes
603616;1396586983;MisterE;real*
603617;1396586997;BingoBoingo;Two big hits in the area the last 24 hours
603618;1396586998;BingoBoingo;Beither went this far east yet
603619;1396587003;MisterE;I have a friend in KC
603620;1396587012;MisterE;thats where the L&C arch is right?
603621;1396587021;MisterE;and it has a sister city?
603622;1396587024;MisterE;across the river?
603623;1396587038;MisterE;I been gone so long forgot geography of home
603624;1396587100;BingoBoingo;Well it has the arch
603625;1396587114;BingoBoingo;More the Jefferson expansion than anything else
603626;1396587127;BingoBoingo;East St Louis is a place too
603627;1396587142;BingoBoingo;East StL isn't so bad compared to North Saint
603628;1396587209;BingoBoingo;KC's got good BBQ
603629;1396587219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00096082 = 24.9813 BTC [+]
603630;1396587416;nubbins`;hey kids
603631;1396587442;BingoBoingo;The way this winter's been with the Jetstream acting up I wouldn't be too surprised if we got a derechero
603632;1396587445;BingoBoingo;hey nubbins`
603633;1396587464;nubbins`;it's time for Ineffectual Poster Critique, where you offer constructive criticism on a poster i've designed and i ignore your suggestions because it's late and i'm tired
603634;1396587474;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/QhwZzWF
603635;1396587475;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
603636;1396587593;BingoBoingo;Needs moar cunt
603637;1396587705;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Also a heavier weight paper couldn't hurt
603638;1396587717;nubbins`;heh
603639;1396587721;nubbins`;NO DICE
603640;1396587726;nubbins`;50lb red kraft paper
603641;1396587742;nubbins`;and that's that!
603642;1396587769;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: WHat about 1/8" Z-weighted sheilding material
603643;1396587774;nubbins`;we do a lotta work for these guys... they got in touch TODAY asking if we could do 40 shirts and 30 posters for sat night
603644;1396587778;nubbins`;nothin' like a rush job
603645;1396587791;nubbins`;y'know, i've toyed with the idea of doing posters on tyvek
603646;1396587793;BingoBoingo;Ah
603647;1396587797;nubbins`;i think you'd need special inks tho
603648;1396587803;BingoBoingo;tyvek is some nice stuff
603649;1396587809;nubbins`;yep, uline sells rolls of it
603650;1396587838;nubbins`;anyway i gotta get these films printed and burn some screens
603651;1396587848;BingoBoingo;I think if I did a junkyard wars laptop of my own, tyvek would be the wrap of choice
603652;1396587884;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Design wise though, maybe distrubute some accident looking dots of Dutch FIreball
603653;1396587927;nubbins`;ehhhhhhh, i'm not huge on the "messy" aesthetic
603654;1396587934;BingoBoingo;I hear that color really pops for the red-green colorblind crowd
603655;1396587944;nubbins`;too many screenprinters use it as a crutch to disguise poor technique
603656;1396587973;BingoBoingo;Sure
603657;1396588006;BingoBoingo;It is like magic fucking ponzi dust to colorblind people though
603658;1396588013;nubbins`;i much prefer to torture myself trying to produce perfect floods. even the noise on the yellow is a bit out of character for me
603659;1396588019;nubbins`;oh ya?
603660;1396588060;BingoBoingo;Yeah.
603661;1396588140;BingoBoingo;I think it looks like an off orangy red, but...
603662;1396588866;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0075 = 0.2625 BTC [+]
603663;1396589537;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04337135 = 0.1735 BTC [-]
603664;1396589538;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0595 = 0.238 BTC [-]
603665;1396589598;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0630999 = 0.2524 BTC [+]
603666;1396589613;BingoBoingo;;;later tell benkay notes to compare
603667;1396589613;gribble;The operation succeeded.
603668;1396589659;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0635 = 0.127 BTC [+]
603669;1396589660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00095672 = 20.2346 BTC [-] {2} 
603670;1396589837;BingoBoingo;Such comments http://gawker.com/driver-accidentally-hits-child-is-brutally-attacked-by-1558033557
603671;1396590023;chetty;total breakdown of civilization is not far away
603672;1396590092;BingoBoingo;Are you sure it hasn't happened some places?
603673;1396590193;chetty;nope, I am sure it has - its just spreading
603674;1396590239;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: here's what the drawing is loosely based on: http://imgur.com/ZSS1Eps
603675;1396590249;cazalla;niggers, what else would you expect?
603676;1396590259;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Nice
603677;1396590269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00096027 = 10.0828 BTC [+]
603678;1396590269;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04337135 = 0.1301 BTC [-] {2} 
603679;1396590270;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0594 = 0.1188 BTC [-]
603680;1396590283;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Honestly hard to tell at this point
603681;1396590303;cazalla;No, it's confirmed
603682;1396590326;cazalla;driver was white too, what idiot white guy still lives in detroit
603683;1396590387;BingoBoingo;Well being black doesn't make anyone a nigger more than being white keeps anyone from being a nigger.
603684;1396590419;BingoBoingo;Eminen could have been driving through the neighborhood where all of the brain surgeons live
603685;1396590431;cazalla;i guess that explains why these mob attackers are always black
603686;1396590467;nubbins`;shrug, we had daily swarmings at my high school. all white kids
603687;1396590468;BingoBoingo;Oh, just now most of them are black
603688;1396590487;BingoBoingo;white mobs happen, spic mobs happen, wop mobs happen
603689;1396590537;cazalla;whens the last time a bunch of white people put a black person into a coma because he bumped a white kid who was too stupid not to play in traffic
603690;1396590585;nubbins`;i don't have the stats in front of me, but probably like a week ago
603691;1396590607;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I will decline to comment
603692;1396590641;cazalla;nubbins` you would know then that black on white crime is much larger than white on black
603693;1396590654;cazalla;BingoBoingo: and here is proof it was race related  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/03/driver-assaulted-by-crowd-after-hitting-boy-clings-to-life/7285575/
603694;1396590662;BingoBoingo;When's the last time someone who wasn't a Abbo went on a crime spree in Australasia
603695;1396590675;BingoBoingo;Fuel by gas fumes
603696;1396590699;cazalla;not near the % of any other demographic
603697;1396590715;nubbins`;you americans are so angry
603698;1396590721;cazalla;i'm not even american
603699;1396590722;chetty;meh its not skin color, its culture (or lack thereof)
603700;1396590726;nubbins`;what!
603701;1396590733;cazalla;it's genetic
603702;1396590737;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: cazalla is an aussie
603703;1396590741;nubbins`;ahhhhh
603704;1396590753;BingoBoingo;cazalla: nubbins` is a Canadian
603705;1396590768;nubbins`;we share a queen
603706;1396590788;cazalla;bend the knee
603707;1396590807;BingoBoingo;As a 'Murican I feel much safer on trips to East Saint Louis than I do to either North St Louis or Gretchen Wilson's hometown of Pocahontas Illinois
603708;1396590810;cazalla;i don't know why she permitted all this immigration throughout the commonwealth
603709;1396590839;cazalla;but even as someone who has never been to detroit, i know you don't get out the car if you run a youth down
603710;1396590841;nubbins`;because she's a figurehead with no real authority? ;(
603711;1396590927;BingoBoingo;cazalla: More important is why you just don't go to Detroit
603712;1396590981;cazalla;Poor prick did the right thing and now he'll probably die
603713;1396591006;BingoBoingo;Sure for a brief time in history being in Detroit may have been excusable as they presented industry as a surrogate for culture.
603714;1396591032;BingoBoingo;Now, without industry the lack of culture is the defining feature of the area
603715;1396591049;cazalla;I don't think it has anything to do with culture but more so a genetic basis for their lack of culture and chimpish behaviour
603716;1396591114;chetty;cazalla,  like the forum?
603717;1396591222;BingoBoingo;The forum is kind of self selecting.
603718;1396591222;cazalla;a lot of em are young, they'll grow out of it
603719;1396591251;cazalla;majority of blacks however will not
603720;1396591314;cazalla;i wasn't even that far right until the leftist idiots kept pushing this white privilege bullshit
603721;1396591348;cazalla;anyway, wrong crowd here for me to be inflammatory towards, nothing to gain in doing so
603722;1396591470;BingoBoingo;It isn't a problem of white priviledge or black degeneracy. It is... Degeneracy
603723;1396591626;chetty;well I do get what cazalla says about things getting pushed, it just stirs people up and tends to create things like this
603724;1396591849;BingoBoingo;And this is the reason why society needs institutions that beat people down
603725;1396591866;nubbins`;http://www.ebay.com/chp/Virtual-Currency-/179197
603726;1396591867;ozbot;Electronics, Cars, Fashion, Collectibles, Coupons and More | eBay
603727;1396591868;nubbins`;god help us
603728;1396591872;nubbins`;"mining contracts"
603729;1396591899;MisterE;Wow! http://www.slideshare.net/ange4771/when-aes-a-cryptobinary-magic-trick
603730;1396591937;punkman;nubbins`: that's gonna turn out well...
603731;1396592018;MisterE;what could possibly go wrong?
603732;1396592020;punkman;hmm maybe I should get one of these guys to mine some ATC for me
603733;1396592039;BingoBoingo;I dunno that there is anything easier to fake for a profit than "mining" contracts
603734;1396592070;BingoBoingo;punkman: atc has strong bid and ask walls
603735;1396592078;BingoBoingo;may be fakeable?
603736;1396592112;cazalla;buyers are probably thinking the same thing with chargebacks via paypal
603737;1396592120;cazalla;it's a minefield on both sides
603738;1396592223;punkman;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443729.0
603739;1396592224;ozbot;Contracts Mining Pool Sites and Teams
603740;1396592367;nubbins`;fuck, popped a screen
603741;1396592371;nubbins`;>:(
603742;1396592378;MisterE;inverter?
603743;1396592382;MisterE;usually is
603744;1396592444;punkman;not that kind of screen
603745;1396592472;nubbins`;MisterE, http://imgur.com/DZgppgv
603746;1396592495;MisterE;awww bummer
603747;1396592539;nubbins`;not the end of the world, but still a bummer
603748;1396592588;MisterE;there's a shop around the corner from me and they regularly ask for help with English
603749;1396592864;cazalla;what's that in the background, free photography?
603750;1396592892;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.04197707 = 0.5457 BTC [-] {3} 
603751;1396593258;nubbins`;FREE tiny piece of photo paper
603752;1396593262;nubbins`;came with a printer
603753;1396593380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11965 @ 0.00095656 = 11.4452 BTC [-]
603754;1396593400;nubbins`;fuck this, time for bed
603755;1396593441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 935 @ 0.00095638 = 0.8942 BTC [-]
603756;1396593741;BingoBoingo;So... booze, what do people OL now favor?
603757;1396599237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14828 @ 0.00095626 = 14.1794 BTC [-] {2} 
603758;1396599419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08449999 = 0.169 BTC [+]
603759;1396599602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00095708 = 20.2901 BTC [+] {2} 
603760;1396601554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 31 @ 0.01320033 = 0.4092 BTC [-] {3} 
603761;1396601567;BingoBoingo;Clausewitz for people looking to equip n00b armies:
603762;1396601581;BingoBoingo;http://www.clausewitz.com/readings/VomKriege1832/TOC.htm
603763;1396601615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.01319098 = 0.1451 BTC [-] {2} 
603764;1396601981;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.06200002 = 1.426 BTC [-]
603765;1396602103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.062 = 0.868 BTC [-] {3} 
603766;1396602408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00095902 = 17.5501 BTC [+]
603767;1396603872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4422 @ 0.00096027 = 4.2463 BTC [+]
603768;1396604177;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60010003 BTC [-]
603769;1396604179;zacm;<cazalla> i wasn't even that far right until the leftist idiots kept pushing this white privilege bullshit     LOL
603770;1396604204;zacm;blowback. that's why the us libtards better hope the tea party prevails in the republican party, because if it doesn't, what will replace it they have not seen in their worst nightmares
603771;1396604355;cazalla;day of the rope?
603772;1396604458;zacm;haha
603773;1396604482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.04121665 = 0.4946 BTC [-] {6} 
603774;1396604665;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.04041591 = 0.7679 BTC [-] {5} 
603775;1396604719;zacm;how hard is it to get a Yes/No from a govt agency? why so much uncertainty? traders must love it though. https://pay.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2266js/btc_china_issues_statement_they_received_no/
603776;1396604726;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 36 @ 0.03919722 = 1.4111 BTC [-] {5} 
603777;1396604814;Apocalyptic;more like FUDers love it
603778;1396605092;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4500 @ 0.00015054 = 0.6774 BTC [-] {7} 
603779;1396605144;zacm;lovely fud
603780;1396605154;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1263 @ 0.000401 = 0.5065 BTC [-] {8} 
603781;1396605214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1237 @ 0.00038879 = 0.4809 BTC [-] {4} 
603782;1396608996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4250 @ 0.00095899 = 4.0757 BTC [-]
603783;1396609890;zacm;cazalla, more like what's happening in Britain already: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/10740795/Nigel-Farage-scores-victory-over-Nick-Clegg-as-second-TV-debate-turns-nasty.html
603784;1396609900;zacm;Nigel Farage accused Nick Clegg of “wilfully lying to the British people� and warned that the European project could end in bloodshed during the pair’s second debate on Wednesday night.
603785;1396609900;zacm;In a heated and confrontational televised debate the leader of the UK Independence Party warned that extremists would resort to “violence� unless the European Union “ends democratically�.
603786;1396609911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9563 @ 0.00096027 = 9.1831 BTC [+]
603787;1396609918;zacm;"I didn’t think I’d have to get personal, but he is trying to lie and deceive the British people and after 40 years we have had enough."
603788;1396610338;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.039 = 0.195 BTC [-]
603789;1396611070;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.059505 = 0.119 BTC [-] {2} 
603790;1396611497;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 685 @ 0.00015095 = 0.1034 BTC [-] {3} 
603791;1396611741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.0009605 = 25.2612 BTC [+] {2} 
603792;1396612900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1200 @ 0.00015094 = 0.1811 BTC [-] {3} 
603793;1396612964;VanCleef;man i feel sorry for ex firefox ceo, just because you donate $1000 dollars to a anti gay marriage campaign you get fired, that's some serious heterophobic stuff
603794;1396613090;pankkake;resigned because twitards got upset? what a faggot
603795;1396613128;VanCleef;its stupid
603796;1396613150;VanCleef;it would be like if this guy was muslim and donated to a muslim fund and got fired for that
603797;1396613170;Apocalyptic;pankkake, http://www.boursorama.com/actualites/un-proprietaire-de-saunas-libertins-en-conflit-avec-pole-emploi-9e045e068c1461b654ae9c54efe34e94
603798;1396613196;pankkake;lol, that's old
603799;1396613209;Apocalyptic;just saw it
603800;1396613271;Apocalyptic;why the fuck is that is my last bouro news feed
603801;1396613585;skinnkavaj;So sad that NEOBEE turned out to be a scam/theif like most of all here.
603802;1396613606;skinnkavaj;I am not holding any shares thank god, but I feel sorry for those who do
603803;1396613682;VanCleef;wasn't a suprise tho
603804;1396613693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.004 = 0.2 BTC [+]
603805;1396613728;skinnkavaj;Worst of all it gives bitcoin a bad reputation in Cyprus, when NEOBEE was supposed to be the opposite
603806;1396613758;VanCleef;bitcoin has made scamming easier
603807;1396613769;VanCleef;its never goign to be taken seriously
603808;1396613876;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 6460 @ 0.00038679 = 2.4987 BTC [-] {7} 
603809;1396613929;VanCleef;sfi will be the next scam to fall apart
603810;1396613936;VanCleef;i promise you that
603811;1396614060;pankkake;sfi?
603812;1396614247;VanCleef;on havelock
603813;1396614317;pankkake;it's a scam from the start, it's never going to be profitable for investors and they damn well know it
603814;1396614420;VanCleef;ya
603815;1396614669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.039 = 0.156 BTC [-]
603816;1396614730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8612 @ 0.00096218 = 8.2863 BTC [+] {2} 
603817;1396614791;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 7000 @ 0.00023163 = 1.6214 BTC [-] {14} 
603818;1396614911;mircea_popescu;ahaha these idiots are epic. so mpoe-pr left bitcointalk, and no longer being visible is no longer teh evil mastermind. ThickAsThieves is still around, and so therefore he's it.
603819;1396614913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1540 @ 0.0002 = 0.308 BTC [-] {2} 
603820;1396614922;mircea_popescu;fucking reptile brain, completely driven by what it immediately perceives.
603821;1396614956;mircea_popescu;this is how thousands of policemen get shot each year, notwithstanding they're just lowly blue collar workers indistinguishable from the criminals shooting them in most respects.
603822;1396614979;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, nobody shoots a politician. why ? well... he has enough sense not to hang out with the fuckwits.
603823;1396615139;VanCleef;heh yeh i was just reading that
603824;1396615145;VanCleef;really tarded stuff
603825;1396615307;Apocalyptic;got a link ?
603826;1396615316;mircea_popescu;;;later tell nubbins'`* your poster sucks because no penises.
603827;1396615316;gribble;Error: That is an invalid IRC nick. Please check your input.
603828;1396615323;mircea_popescu;you gotta be kidding me.
603829;1396615455;TomServo;lol
603830;1396615462;TomServo;it's just the middle one i think :P
603831;1396615939;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: I dunno that there is anything easier to fake for a profit than "mining" contracts <<< actually, it's a direct translation of the EVE "protection contract". ask diametric he knows how that works :D
603832;1396616125;mircea_popescu;zacm: blowback. that's why the us libtards better hope the tea party prevails in the republican party, because if it doesn't, what will replace it they have not seen in their worst nightmares << this is actually correct, or at least i think the same. if teaparty doesn't take over by a large margin, by 2020ish there will be summary executions on the grounds of "being now or having ever been a social justice warrior".
603833;1396616438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00095899 = 15.7274 BTC [-]
603834;1396616743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0386 = 0.193 BTC [-]
603835;1396617260;mircea_popescu;pankkake:resigned because twitards got upset? what a faggot <<  this, pretty much. your skin's that thin, you have no business there.
603836;1396617308;mircea_popescu;skinnkavaj: I am not holding any shares thank god, but I feel sorry for those who do << you also feel cheeky towards your intellectual superiors, and maintain the delusion that your head works. this is much worse than having held shares in the scam du jour.
603837;1396617321;mircea_popescu;in fact, it'd have been better for you if you lost your house, wife and child to neobee.
603838;1396617502;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://i.imgur.com/xsKUETn.gif
603839;1396617658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00095701 = 19.7144 BTC [-] {2} 
603840;1396617884;DudeSj;;;ident
603841;1396617884;gribble;Nick 'DudeSj', with hostmask 'DudeSj!~linux@2600:1004:b018:c803:58da:d22d:c42d:fa73', is not identified.
603842;1396617963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.01 = 0.12 BTC [+]
603843;1396618451;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60010002 BTC [-]
603844;1396618572;chetty;http://asset-5.soup.io/asset/7100/9960_5b00.jpeg
603845;1396618573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.063 = 1.197 BTC [+]
603846;1396618653;Apocalyptic;chetty, they should have picked the photo of Putin on his bear imo
603847;1396619183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00095642 = 16.9286 BTC [-]
603848;1396619305;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0381 = 0.1524 BTC [-]
603849;1396619671;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60010002 BTC [-]
603850;1396619732;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.063 = 0.252 BTC [+]
603851;1396620618;punkman1;I've been hoarding these notes, might be useful for #b-a wiki: https://bitbucket.org/abfg/gildedtxt/src/feb5f32dc0523c2717f5b3b05e2f35a5ec22ce6c/exchanges/
603852;1396620647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00095627 = 27.8753 BTC [-] {3} 
603853;1396620658;mircea_popescu;Log in ?
603854;1396620761;punkman1;mircea_popescu: fixed, I think
603855;1396621135;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0376 = 0.1504 BTC [-]
603856;1396621196;mircea_popescu;not bad.
603857;1396621318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.0009613 = 9.8053 BTC [+]
603858;1396621501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.063 = 0.315 BTC [+]
603859;1396621503;kakobrekla;want access to wiki punkman1 ?
603860;1396621608;punkman;kakobrekla: I can write a script that turns them into dokuwiki format
603861;1396621672;kakobrekla;well, i asked if you want editing rights
603862;1396621686;punkman;sure, why not
603863;1396621690;kakobrekla;pm
603864;1396621975;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/
603865;1396621976;ozbot;Fred Quimby and ancient evils pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
603866;1396621981;mircea_popescu;prepare to haet mp.
603867;1396622154;dexX7;what i hate about glorious linux stuff: simple "install scripts" never work and it ends in endless searches and manual fixes <.<"
603868;1396622233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24162 @ 0.00096269 = 23.2605 BTC [+]
603869;1396622252;punkman;;;ident
603870;1396622254;gribble;Nick 'punkman', with hostmask 'punkman!~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman', is identified as user 'punkman', with GPG key id 33588BE08B232B13, key fingerprint F28E0095843B91CB22E7D65533588BE08B232B13, and bitcoin address None
603871;1396622308;mircea_popescu;dexX7 word.
603872;1396622492;dexX7;meanwhile in cyprus: http://cyprus-mail.com/2014/04/04/police-probe-claims-of-bitcoin-fraud/
603873;1396622542;mircea_popescu;FREE PUBLICITY! BUY NEO
603874;1396622904;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06295 = 0.5036 BTC [-]
603875;1396622923;punkman;mircea_popescu, idea for bitbet, play-money tournament like http://goodjudgmentproject.com/ maybe with some BTC prizes
603876;1396622965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00096294 = 33.9918 BTC [+] {4} 
603877;1396623051;mike_c;hehe. i love how they characterize them :) "Cyprus-based bitcoin marketers Neo & Bee "
603878;1396623062;mike_c;the press gets it right for once
603879;1396623072;artifexd;Today's trilema hurt my feelings. I don't want to be fungible. "I am fungible." What a depressing thing to say.
603880;1396623137;pankkake;fungible is a pretty good insult
603881;1396623148;pankkake;I'm definitively going to steal that one
603882;1396623164;artifexd;The thing is, I'm happy programming. I enjoy it. It fills me with a sense of accomplishment. In my day job, it fills me with a sense of importance and value. And yet...
603883;1396623240;artifexd;I guess I shall spend the weekend doing some soul-searching on whether being "fungible" is acceptable to me. I suspect the answer will be "no".
603884;1396623362;artifexd;I suppose part of the question is "fungible to who?" While I may be fungible at my day job. I'm certainly not fungible to my daughter. I am probably not fungible to my wife. I am, without a doubt, fungible in #bitcoin-assets.
603885;1396623377;artifexd;Who, exactly, do I want to be "not fungible" to?
603886;1396623388;pankkake;I left a comment
603887;1396623389;artifexd;Whole lotta thinkin' to do...
603888;1396623410;mircea_popescu;mike_c i saw that yeah
603889;1396623449;mircea_popescu;punkman there's at least 100 of these things. basically "market forecasting" is the 2014 version of the million dollar webpage.
603890;1396623459;mircea_popescu;everyone wants to make his own.
603891;1396623478;mircea_popescu;artifexd your feelings are more fungible than you are :D
603892;1396623514;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03731666 = 0.2239 BTC [-] {3} 
603893;1396623541;chetty;all coders maybe created equal, don't mean they gotta stay that way
603894;1396623654;mircea_popescu;pankkake answert :D
603895;1396623658;mircea_popescu;irc pingdom
603896;1396623671;artifexd;If by equal you mean "equally crappy", yeah. All coders/programmers start shitty.
603897;1396623725;mircea_popescu;no he has a solid point. fungible code is good code. you know that famous poem do you ?
603898;1396623752;mircea_popescu;http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html < that.
603899;1396623753;ozbot;The Story of Mel
603900;1396623776;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i srsly considered adding big fat penises to the poster
603901;1396623787;nubbins`;didn't wanna force it ;p
603902;1396623789;mircea_popescu;masturba-whatever, must has penis
603903;1396623809;nubbins`;http://thescope.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/monsterbator-540.jpg
603904;1396623810;nubbins`;^
603905;1396623832;mircea_popescu;yeh
603906;1396623838;mircea_popescu;at least octopussy, something.
603907;1396623861;nubbins`;amusingly, google image search for "monsterbator" is turning into a pink eye portfolio
603908;1396623874;mircea_popescu;that'd be because you're weirdos.
603909;1396623913;*;nubbins` nods
603910;1396623914;nubbins`;http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-0/c0.0.960.640/s720x720/1044603_600881786612048_1450220467_n.jpg
603911;1396623919;nubbins`;they are too, so it's a nice fit
603912;1396623954;mircea_popescu;they look more like two plumbers.
603913;1396623988;nubbins`;heh
603914;1396624005;nubbins`;can't argue
603915;1396624079;nubbins`;http://vimeo.com/63242867 for great lels
603916;1396624080;ozbot;Monsterbator - Fashionista on Vimeo
603917;1396624992;mircea_popescu;http://zappa.brainiac.com/MelKaye.png
603918;1396624995;mircea_popescu;women in tech, long ago.
603919;1396625039;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3789 @ 0.00015093 = 0.5719 BTC [-] {8} 
603920;1396625100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03668333 = 0.2201 BTC [-] {2} 
603921;1396625101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06190562 = 0.3095 BTC [-] {2} 
603922;1396625364;nubbins`;men with initials for names
603923;1396625376;nubbins`;hey, i'm D.D., this is K.A.
603924;1396625415;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/neo-bee-talk-spam-free-thread.288255/page-23
603925;1396625416;ozbot;Neo & Bee talk (spam free thread) | Page 23 | Bitcointa.lk
603926;1396625430;mircea_popescu;plambert should write the manual on "how to create a 20 page thread in a day"
603927;1396625457;mircea_popescu;"Illogical? As in giving your money to a bankster wannabee to fund a bank because you hate banksters?"
603928;1396625466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00096134 = 3.6531 BTC [-]
603929;1396625467;nubbins`;man, i just came across my ebay tab, opened to the "mining contracts" category
603930;1396625471;nubbins`;and had myself another lel.
603931;1396625478;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: that's almost poetic
603932;1396625499;nubbins`;death to banks, long live bankesque things
603933;1396625521;mircea_popescu;such self loathing, self consuming nonsense, this western world of the muppetsd.
603934;1396625563;nubbins`;like a snake eating its tail but instead of a snake it's a man and instead of a tail it's a dick
603935;1396625572;mircea_popescu;"I'm new here, for what it's worth, but your ability to offend and act like an idiot is apparent. You have no friggin' idea why I invested in Neo & Bee. Really. You are illogical. Your statement's so far have been illogical (due to incomplete information) and you act like they're logical without even beginning to take a wise or mature stance on the issue by way of accepting you don't know what you're talking about most
603936;1396625572;mircea_popescu;of the time (purely by virtue of the universe's mechanisms; that's not a personal slight)."
603937;1396625581;thestringpuller;nubbins`: isn't that an ouroboros?
603938;1396625599;mircea_popescu;"also, my butt inexplicably hurts. INEXPLICABLY I SAY! and has nothing to do with the head sitting atop it."
603939;1396625603;nubbins`;the snake one is, yes
603940;1396625614;mircea_popescu;penisbordos ?
603941;1396625621;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i stopped reading at "your statement's so far"
603942;1396625640;mircea_popescu;nubbins` there was some derp at some point going for about 200 words pretending like he's a bigshot
603943;1396625653;mircea_popescu;then dropped a there in there. you know, instead of their.
603944;1396625659;nubbins`;bigshot who doesn't read books, apparently
603945;1396625676;mircea_popescu;adult audience groaning "o yes of course, lots of big shots have trouble with junior high grammar"
603946;1396625696;nubbins`;i saw this proposed as a captcha replacement once
603947;1396625709;nubbins`;"they're there their" in three images, with a sentence underneath
603948;1396625719;nubbins`;pick the correct one and gain access
603949;1396625732;mircea_popescu;lol. let all the spamscripts in but none of reddit ?
603950;1396625748;nubbins`;yes!!
603951;1396625749;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/u10eW
603952;1396625750;ozbot;Who cares about robots, here's a much more practical CAPTCHA. - Imgur
603953;1396625779;mircea_popescu;win
603954;1396625792;mircea_popescu;“Following those posts on the forum, I received direct threats targeted directly at my daughter"
603955;1396625822;mircea_popescu;should have been "i received a directory of direct threats directed directly at my daughter"
603956;1396625826;ThickAsThieves;...
603957;1396625836;mircea_popescu;because he's on the board of directors see.
603958;1396625836;ThickAsThieves;is that really the quote?
603959;1396625842;mircea_popescu;http://cyprus-mail.com/2014/04/04/police-probe-claims-of-bitcoin-fraud/
603960;1396625844;ThickAsThieves;lol
603961;1396625845;ThickAsThieves;nvm
603962;1396625851;mircea_popescu;so sayz whatever cyprus thing
603963;1396626142;the20year2;oh my
603964;1396626344;nubbins`;man. so i ordered a bunch of supplies on wednesday. put my debit card number into three different websites instead of my credit card number
603965;1396626351;nubbins`;been getting all these emails saying my orders are on hold ;(
603966;1396626571;nubbins`;;;seen ukyo
603967;1396626572;gribble;ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 hours, 54 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio_: ping
603968;1396626604;asciilifeform;unrelated:
603969;1396626605;asciilifeform;http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/michael-lewis-shilling-for-the-buyside
603970;1396626605;ozbot;Michael Lewis: shilling for the buyside | Locklin on science
603971;1396626647;mircea_popescu;stories from a different hell :
603972;1396626647;mircea_popescu;http://blog.dolarblue.net/2014/04/el-precio-del-dolar-futuro-anticipa-una.html
603973;1396626671;mircea_popescu;"oligarchical reptiles who are destroying Western Civilization" check the guy out.
603974;1396626673;nubbins`;poorly thought-out decisions:
603975;1396626674;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/226y67/what_music_should_i_listen_to_as_i_attempt_50/
603976;1396626675;ozbot;What Music Should I Listen to As I Attempt 50 Mile Ultramarathon With No Training to Raise 50 Bitcoi
603977;1396626689;nubbins`;fifty miles. without training.
603978;1396626707;nubbins`;"I know it's it going to suck. I know it's going to hurt. And I know it won't be easy. But, that's why I want to do it."
603979;1396626719;nubbins`;i can't even express the amount of fail on display here
603980;1396626739;mircea_popescu;well, are there going to be a fifty girls following him a mile each with cattle prods and clear orders to cattle prod him without respite unless he runs?
603981;1396626747;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00034521 = 0.6904 BTC [+] {9} 
603982;1396626753;nubbins`;that's 80 fucking kilometers
603983;1396626761;mircea_popescu;cause i'd pay 50 btc for this particular snuff video.
603984;1396626765;nubbins`;your body would break down
603985;1396626767;mircea_popescu;"man killed with cattle prods"
603986;1396626780;nubbins`;literally, he will cripple himself before the first 10k is up
603987;1396626790;mircea_popescu;it's a good and useful thing.
603988;1396626798;nubbins`;at least he's not trying to start an exchange
603989;1396626806;mircea_popescu;he should die a bloody painful death so the rest of redit observes directly that no, you can't do anything "you set your mind to".
603990;1396626808;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1076 @ 0.00038382 = 0.413 BTC [+] {7} 
603991;1396626831;mircea_popescu;guy;s so far the most respectable of the whole bunch. provided he actually does die.
603992;1396626843;nubbins`;"I'm just trying to shed some positive light on Bitcoin"
603993;1396626848;nubbins`;by dying on the road
603994;1396626870;nubbins`;seriously. a regular marathon isn't big enough
603995;1396626870;mircea_popescu;tbh this nonsense has exactly 0 to do with bitcoin
603996;1396626875;nubbins`;so he's gonna do two back-to-back
603997;1396626891;mircea_popescu;it's a mental problem of kids that weren't allowed to get hurt.
603998;1396626897;nubbins`;nevermind that seasoned runners will train 8 months for a marathon
603999;1396626912;nubbins`;mircea_popescu he'll certainly be allowed to get hurt if he shows up to this race
604000;1396626928;nubbins`;ah, my sides.
604001;1396626941;nubbins`;anyway, work to do!
604002;1396626982;mircea_popescu;i walk a good 10 miles a day, but i wouldn't bother trying to run50
604003;1396627053;chetty;http://washingtonexaminer.com/house-panel-to-vote-on-contempt-charge-for-irs-official-lois-lerner-next-week/article/2546754
604004;1396627054;ozbot;House panel to vote on contempt charge for IRS official Lois Lerner next week | WashingtonExaminer.c
604005;1396627087;khersonus;do you walk 10 miles for the purpose of getting somewhere, or just for exercise?
604006;1396627108;mircea_popescu;khersonus i tend to walk a lot. i like european-style towns, where most everything is designed for the pedestrian.
604007;1396627174;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.54118260 BTC to 5`060 shares, 50221 satoshi per share
604008;1396627224;mike_c;s.mg report coming soon?
604009;1396627235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 5.92877950 BTC to 13`595 shares, 43610 satoshi per share
604010;1396627271;mircea_popescu;yeah.
604011;1396627274;benkay;BingoBoingo: ping
604012;1396627292;mircea_popescu;likely tomorro.
604013;1396627296;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
604014;1396627307;khersonus;have any of you seen the "sign message" feature of bitcoin used for a service in the wild?
604015;1396627339;mike_c;khersonus: coinbr uses it.
604016;1396627346;mircea_popescu;not really. it's incredibly badly implemented, and perfectly useless seeing how gpg does it better.
604017;1396627355;mircea_popescu;some people do offer it, but heh.
604018;1396627372;khersonus;badly implemented, as in, it's not secure?
604019;1396627433;mircea_popescu;we've never got to the security of it. it's badly implemented as in, let me find the discussion.
604020;1396627442;khersonus;mike_c: I see, I had a similar idea in mind for proving ownership of coins
604021;1396627497;mike_c;you can ask jurov how it's worked out for coinbr in practice.
604022;1396627527;pLambert;what is this, monthly reports? pfht, you should tell us they will be ready in two weeks
604023;1396627550;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2014#566865
604024;1396627551;mircea_popescu;that convo
604025;1396627553;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
604026;1396627555;khersonus;in this case it does seem coinbr uses it to secure coins, I'm assuming if you reset an account password you can withdraw
604027;1396627560;khersonus;mircea_popescu: thanks, will read
604028;1396627578;mike_c;pLambert: he's just finishing up the neobee acquisition before releasing the march report :)
604029;1396627612;mircea_popescu;yeah, s.mg is going to re-release neo as a zork-type game
604030;1396627619;pLambert;wouldn't neeobee acquisition have to go in April? or has he been working behind the scenes this whole time ;)
604031;1396627625;mircea_popescu;i've hired the something awful experts that made beeboopity to do it.
604032;1396627904;khersonus;so, bitcoin sig needs: btc address, message, signature. GPG needs: public key, message, signature. About the same, right?
604033;1396628022;mircea_popescu;khersonus if i can't have a bot to which i go ;;sig blabla and it spits out a "so and so signed this thing on this date" it's useless toi me.
604034;1396628028;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7727 @ 0.0001691 = 1.3066 BTC [+] {9} 
604035;1396628091;khersonus;can you do that with GPG? I haven't seen it used before
604036;1396628100;pLambert;gpg sig includes the date?
604037;1396628112;mircea_popescu;pLambert it does, yes.
604038;1396628122;pLambert;cool, I didn't know that
604039;1396628135;mircea_popescu;it's declaratory (in the sense that the signer can set it to any arbitrary value he wants)
604040;1396628137;mircea_popescu;but it's there
604041;1396628167;mircea_popescu;khersonus what do you mean you haven't seen it used before ? gpg altogether or specifically a bot ?
604042;1396628181;khersonus;specifically a bot
604043;1396628202;mircea_popescu;i don't need/want one for gpg personally. because i already have the infrastructure in place to do that for me.
604044;1396628215;mircea_popescu;a contender can't expect me to simply invest in the infrastructure.
604045;1396628218;truffles;read "i hate change"
604046;1396628224;mircea_popescu;i do hate change.
604047;1396628232;mircea_popescu;because if it ain't broken...
604048;1396628243;truffles;we have that in common
604049;1396628249;pLambert;.. then you gotta hit it harder?
604050;1396628250;khersonus;I've seen the MPEX messaging thing with pastebin websites, pretty cool, but, it's not ;;sig
604051;1396628255;mircea_popescu;change for the sake of change is like...
604052;1396628280;mircea_popescu;khersonus no, but gpg paste is.
604053;1396628297;mircea_popescu;it makes 0 diff to me if i type ;;sig in here or gpg in a cli. all i want is to have somewhere i can type into.
604054;1396628307;khersonus;sure
604055;1396628313;mircea_popescu;and i ain't running whoever's code, so cli is right out for them. gotta do the bot.
604056;1396628343;mircea_popescu;now, the problem of making a bot / extending one already present is not worth the mention
604057;1396628348;mircea_popescu;provided it can be done in the first place.
604058;1396628362;khersonus;I'm more interested in proving address ownership, which you can't really do with just GPG, as far as I can tell
604059;1396628368;mircea_popescu;ie, the bitcoin address signature protocol is good enough to support it.
604060;1396628370;mircea_popescu;so far, seems not.
604061;1396628395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17064 @ 0.0009589 = 16.3627 BTC [-]
604062;1396628417;mircea_popescu;khersonus you can, if somewhat more circumvolutedly. you sign a gpg "x address will pay 0.04875983 btc to y address at z time"
604063;1396628424;mircea_popescu;then that event happens and the proof is made.
604064;1396628443;khersonus;but if I wanted to do this on a larger scale, that is not exactly handy
604065;1396628447;mircea_popescu;why not ?
604066;1396628455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.00980086 = 0.147 BTC [-] {4} 
604067;1396628460;khersonus;it requires a blockchain transaction
604068;1396628465;pLambert;mircea_popescu: but that requires moving the coins, and bloats the blockchain
604069;1396628469;mircea_popescu;you can program both gpg via bash and bitcoin client via whatever api
604070;1396628490;mircea_popescu;well i suppose it does use a tx yes.
604071;1396628561;mircea_popescu;i have no idea how you'd verify btc address signatures on a large scale.
604072;1396628573;mircea_popescu;if it could be done, i'd have my ;;sig
604073;1396628594;khersonus;I'm working on something I think you might find interesting, MP, but it will require a few more months of me working on it (just in case I find some hole I overlooked in the implementation that I didn't think of in the planning stages)
604074;1396628605;pLambert;I was just thinking, for gpg timestamp authenticity, you could add the last few bitcoin block hashes from the blockchain to your message?
604075;1396628611;mircea_popescu;you're not the only one khersonus :)
604076;1396628618;khersonus;:)
604077;1396628635;mike_c;is it a secret something?
604078;1396628636;mircea_popescu;pLambert a gpg message including a block and its hash could prove it wasn't made before that block yes
604079;1396628679;mircea_popescu;like 0000000000000000ab79febd4d7e160246f322fb282e1f3a7c449dd5b5c1ef44#294194 proves this line was written no earelier than 2014-04-04 16:19:01
604080;1396628701;pLambert;would that be useful for anything?
604081;1396628713;CheckDavid;There is some guy called pop mircea constantly spamming Facebook btc groups lol
604082;1396628726;CheckDavid;Always reminds me of mircea_popescu
604083;1396628735;mircea_popescu;pLambert often it turns out such things are, yes.
604084;1396628756;mircea_popescu;anyway, the above stands except for some blockwitholding attacks, so for instance an empty block isn't advisably acceptable.
604085;1396628761;mircea_popescu;also some wiggle room on time. but anyway.
604086;1396628772;pLambert;but how to prove message was not written after some point?
604087;1396628791;khersonus;mike_c: not really. I'd like there to be a way/market to profit from the BTC/USD price movement, in bitcoin, without there being a possibility of the marketmaker/house going bust, and without the house needing to take the opposite side of a position
604088;1396628802;mircea_popescu;pLambert by publishing it.
604089;1396628810;mircea_popescu;it clearly wasn't written after it was published.
604090;1396628832;mircea_popescu;that part was never difficult to prove historically. the other side is the grand contribution of gpg/bitcoin to legal practice.
604091;1396628837;mike_c;khersonus: you are familiar with MPOE?
604092;1396628855;khersonus;mike_c: for sure
604093;1396628882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 29000 @ 0.00017473 = 5.0672 BTC [+] {16} 
604094;1396628902;mike_c;have you thought through how to avoid the problems it had?
604095;1396628904;khersonus;I'm also familiar with CFDs/"binary options"/wotnot that have failed
604096;1396628915;khersonus;mike_c: yeah, but what I'm working on won't be "options"
604097;1396628920;mircea_popescu;mike_c well since he says "and without the house needing to take the opposite side of a position" i imagine he's at least tried.
604098;1396629000;mike_c;well, i am eager to hear about it!  not sure how one profits without a counterparty taking the loss.
604099;1396629000;khersonus;anyway, back to work, great to see you guys are not afraid to talk
604100;1396629015;khersonus;I'll be sure to let you know how it goes
604101;1396629015;truffles;lol
604102;1396629066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4719 @ 0.0009605 = 4.5326 BTC [+] {2} 
604103;1396629068;mircea_popescu;afraid to talk ? never.
604104;1396629088;mircea_popescu;in other words, my blog just told me it's only accepting comments from human beings.
604105;1396629097;dexX7;<khersonus> so, bitcoin sig needs: btc address, message, signature. << ?? you need a privkey and a message to generate a signature.. from the sig+message you can derive the public key
604106;1396629099;mircea_popescu;and did it in the PLURAL to boot. who the fuck is this we i wish to know.
604107;1396629162;khersonus;dexX7: yeah, but to verify a bitcoin message, you need those 3 things
604108;1396629170;dexX7;no, only two
604109;1396629187;dexX7;well okay. depends on your intention
604110;1396629199;khersonus;well, bitcoind asks for 3 inputs
604111;1396629208;dexX7;yes, but it's not necessary
604112;1396629211;mircea_popescu;they really should respecify the thing, have it spit out a base64 blob which can then be used directly.
604113;1396629222;dexX7;you can solely use message+sig to get public key/address
604114;1396629230;khersonus;well, "signmessage "bitcoinaddress" "message""
604115;1396629231;mircea_popescu;address|message|publickey|digest
604116;1396629243;khersonus;verifymessage "bitcoinaddress" "signature" "message"
604117;1396629257;mircea_popescu;should be verifymessage signblob
604118;1396629259;dexX7;it should have said it's not possible with bitcoind
604119;1396629275;dexX7;but other clients or tools
604120;1396629295;dexX7;http://brainwallet.org/#verify for example
604121;1396629296;ozbot;Brainwallet - JavaScript Client-Side Bitcoin Address Generator
604122;1396629481;khersonus;https://github.com/brainwallet/brainwallet.github.com/blob/master/js/bitcoinsig.js#L36
604123;1396629514;truffles;at work on irc?
604124;1396629547;khersonus;by "back to work" I meant "back to coding". I don't have a "day job"
604125;1396629553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5396 @ 0.00096034 = 5.182 BTC [-]
604126;1396629603;truffles;coding..
604127;1396629614;truffles;i can triple task too
604128;1396629662;khersonus;well, obviously my attention is not directly focused on coding at this exact moment
604129;1396629672;truffles;sure
604130;1396629684;truffles;so how many errors did u make since
604131;1396629720;khersonus;none, I haven't typed single key yet in vim either
604132;1396629729;khersonus;very productive! :P
604133;1396629738;truffles;uh huh
604134;1396629780;khersonus;(yet, meaning since I said that I would) anyway...
604135;1396629790;truffles;id rather hear about ur coding fails or procastinations than this gpg ..
604136;1396630042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11404 @ 0.0009634 = 10.9866 BTC [+]
604137;1396630286;mircea_popescu;cmyers http://blog.cmyers.org/index.php/2008/10/26/what-i-dont-understand-could-fill-several-libraries-of-congress/ not so bad.
604138;1396630361;ThickAsThieves;So I posted about out the Supreme Court found that "narcotic checkpoints" are unconstitutional, in the local community Facebook group. Guess what most people replied?
604139;1396630380;asciilifeform;what braggartry! the things i don't understand... could fill a galactic library.
604140;1396630383;truffles;it stops terrorism?
604141;1396630404;ThickAsThieves;"The fact that they randomly are checking cars sounds good to me! That's how they find the people that are hiding there drugs! Why would you be so worried about it? If they pull me over at random I have no problem with them checking my car cuz I have nothing to hide! Things like this help keep the community safe and drug free!"
604142;1396630412;ThickAsThieves;"I think I will call the Sheriff and tell him Thank You and good job officers !!!"
604143;1396630413;cmyers;I have no idea why you are reading my random blog entries from 6 years ago.
604144;1396630435;ThickAsThieves;"Really! If you think you can do a better job, strap on a vest, join the force and get your butt out there!"
604145;1396630448;truffles;cmyers good topic
604146;1396630458;truffles;some ppl itc appear to know it all
604147;1396630477;truffles;TAT what did u expect lol
604148;1396630487;ThickAsThieves;" I don't think it would be an issue if they were stopping everyone. The fact that they are picking and choosing is the problem."
604149;1396630501;ThickAsThieves;"Don't have drugs or illegal possessions in your vehicle and you have nothing to worry about."
604150;1396630503;ThickAsThieves;etc
604151;1396630510;cmyers;I've come a long way over the years.  I'm happy to say I'm engaged, in a fulfilling job, etc etc.  But in particular, I've spent a lot of time studying (armchair-studying) epistemology, and how people know things
604152;1396630518;cmyers;certainty is the biggest enemy of truth.
604153;1396630542;truffles;what is ur religious preference?
604154;1396630550;cmyers;I am an atheist.
604155;1396630561;truffles;are u certain of this?
604156;1396630573;cmyers;no.  I lack a belief in a god, which is what atheist means
604157;1396630587;truffles;just a stab at that certainty think
604158;1396630590;truffles;thing*
604159;1396630590;danielpbarron;police will rip your car apart trying to justify the search, and then they might plant evidence if nothing turns up! #nothingtohide
604160;1396630592;cmyers;I am open to evidence to the contrary, but thus far I ahve seen no evidence
604161;1396630612;truffles;so ure certain?
604162;1396630614;danielpbarron;a food says there is no God
604163;1396630618;danielpbarron;fool*
604164;1396630626;cmyers;I am certain I do not believe in a god.  I am not certain there is no god
604165;1396630634;cmyers;to discuss how certain I am, you ahve to define which god you are talking about.
604166;1396630637;truffles;well then ure agnostic imo
604167;1396630650;danielpbarron;cmyers: the Jesus Christ of the Bible
604168;1396630656;cmyers;truffles: no, that is now how those words are defined.  I am an agnostic atheist
604169;1396630663;cmyers;agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive
604170;1396630665;truffles;ugh
604171;1396630669;cmyers;you can be gnostic or agnostic, theist or athiest
604172;1396630671;truffles;pick a side
604173;1396630681;cmyers;false dichotomy fallacy
604174;1396630687;cmyers;there is no "two sides"
604175;1396630689;cmyers;it is an axis
604176;1396630695;truffles;umk
604177;1396630703;cmyers;if you believe there is a god, but aren't certain, then you are an agnostic theist
604178;1396630704;danielpbarron;it is not man's role to choose to believe; God causes belief and disbelief
604179;1396630706;cmyers;for example
604180;1396630724;cmyers;danielpbarron: if that is true, then god caused me to disbelieve.
604181;1396630727;truffles;here lies why id prefer discussions with a troll than a "knowlegeable" person cuz at least the troll knows he's trolling
604182;1396630754;cmyers;truffles: wait, which of those are you?
604183;1396630771;Apocalyptic;hard to tell
604184;1396630773;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] [PAID] 22.20000000 BTC to 30`000`000 shares, 74 satoshi per share
604185;1396630774;truffles;lol
604186;1396630782;cmyers;anyways, if you would like to continue this discussion, join #atheist on snoonet.
604187;1396630785;cmyers;erm, #atheism
604188;1396630789;benkay;snoonet
604189;1396630789;cmyers;I idle in there as well.
604190;1396630791;benkay;irc of reddit
604191;1396630792;truffles;i dont consider myself a troll
604192;1396630798;benkay;much derp
604193;1396630833;truffles;i cant with the atheists, theyre very certain of things
604194;1396630845;cmyers;truffles: I could say christians love blowing up abortion clinics
604195;1396630850;cmyers;but that isn't very fair, is it?
604196;1396630854;cmyers;depends on which christians you talk to
604197;1396630857;cmyers;don't generalize
604198;1396630868;truffles;its very rare to find a reasonable one though
604199;1396630874;cmyers;some atheists are certain, but that is not what atheism means
604200;1396630884;danielpbarron;abortionists deserve to be executed
604201;1396630884;cmyers;the literal meaning of atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods.  that's it.
604202;1396630890;truffles;at least the ones that self select to those places i have bad experience
604203;1396630893;cmyers;truffles: look harder.
604204;1396630896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00096034 = 6.2422 BTC [-]
604205;1396630916;cmyers;truffles: I agree, there is much derp on #atheism and /r/atheism and you will find some there
604206;1396630936;BCB;Bitcoin's Boosters Struggle to Shore Up Confidence: http://goo.gl/uyVOFg (WSJ)
604207;1396630945;cmyers;but remember, a "millitant atheist" uses a pen and a keyboard.  what does a "millitant christian" or "millitant muslim" use?  The words are all out of whack.
604208;1396630956;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6142 @ 0.00017959 = 1.103 BTC [-] {4} 
604209;1396630959;cmyers;it's like apples and oranges.
604210;1396630968;truffles;they can be religious only in name though
604211;1396630980;cmyers;who can?
604212;1396630980;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves "there drugs". obviously.
604213;1396630984;danielpbarron;a millitant Christian wields the sword of Truth which is the Gospel
604214;1396630998;benkay;it's all sound and fury signifying nothing, cmyers
604215;1396631004;mircea_popescu;cmyers because i have fifty million people employed who no longer read the forum.
604216;1396631010;mircea_popescu;so now they read... everything else.
604217;1396631018;mircea_popescu;incredible how good for productivity nonforuming is.
604218;1396631037;benkay;yeah and i bet cortisol levels too
604219;1396631061;benkay;you took a decade off that lady's life. shame, mircea_popescu !
604220;1396631088;danielpbarron;i'm really glad I only recently started checking out the forums; I probably would have been swindled like everyone else if I had read it from the beginning
604221;1396631106;mircea_popescu;benkay i would guess the work efficiency differential displayed there was about 1000:1.
604222;1396631129;benkay;such waste.
604223;1396631145;mircea_popescu;ie, about nine hours' worth of ~3 people's work on my side resulted in comensurate value with maybe 10k hours of 10k muppet's worth
604224;1396631147;mircea_popescu;work*
604225;1396631214;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron are you being ironic or some shit ?
604226;1396631225;danielpbarron;regarding?
604227;1396631231;danielpbarron;(no, regardless)
604228;1396631294;mircea_popescu;also, from the ridiculous tourban department :
604229;1396631294;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/embed/ERYKzez97lA
604230;1396631295;ozbot;CARMEN MIRANDA IS A CHICA CHICA BOOM CHIC - YouTube
604231;1396631323;truffles;carmen sandiego though..
604232;1396631485;truffles;weird i read that happiness thing carl n i gotta buncha sadpanda's
604233;1396631566;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.0362 = 0.6516 BTC [-]
604234;1396631567;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06065 = 0.4852 BTC [-] {2} 
604235;1396631575;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron i meant re the abortion/gospel stuff
604236;1396631590;danielpbarron;I believe the entire Bible
604237;1396631606;truffles;oh my
604238;1396631632;*;truffles knows people like this irl
604239;1396631637;danielpbarron;i doubt it
604240;1396631647;truffles;that i do?
604241;1396631648;mircea_popescu;re-reading this february piece http://trilema.com/2014/on-periphery-and-the-peripheral-ephemerides-are-also-mentioned/
604242;1396631649;mircea_popescu;"But compare and contrast (by which I mean meditate upon) the alt coin with max keiser’s alt coin and you’ll perhaps… you’ll come to something."
604243;1396631655;mircea_popescu;how's keisercoin doing these days ?
604244;1396631662;danielpbarron;the only other individuals i've met that believe the entire Bible live in a different state
604245;1396631672;mike_c;danielpbarron: that is impossible as much of it is contradictory.
604246;1396631681;mircea_popescu;mike_c contradiction does not bar belief.
604247;1396631690;truffles;well i once was a religious person so uh yea i know of many
604248;1396631695;mircea_popescu;he didn;'t claim to understand it, after all.
604249;1396631706;danielpbarron;truffles: that doesn't mean he won't be destroyed forever by God in the lake of fire
604250;1396631720;danielpbarron;yeah, you don't need to understand the Bible, you just need to believe it
604251;1396631730;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron so which part do you believe best ?
604252;1396631734;mike_c;words. meaning.  what do you "believe" about it.
604253;1396631735;danielpbarron;all of it
604254;1396631750;danielpbarron;there are no non-essentials; the whole Bible is essential
604255;1396631753;mircea_popescu;including the lilith story ?
604256;1396631756;danielpbarron;no
604257;1396631761;danielpbarron;that is not part of the Bible
604258;1396631761;mircea_popescu;why not ?
604259;1396631765;mircea_popescu;how do you know this ?
604260;1396631771;truffles;God said so!
604261;1396631805;danielpbarron;the story of lilith contradicts the rest of the Bible
604262;1396631811;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0361 = 0.1083 BTC [-]
604263;1396631812;mircea_popescu;so ?
604264;1396631820;mircea_popescu;lol that didn't take long.
604265;1396631825;truffles;lilith oh thats in True Blood
604266;1396631828;mircea_popescu;mike_c i hope you're taking notes :D
604267;1396631840;danielpbarron;so it would make God a liar
604268;1396631847;mircea_popescu;not if you believe it.
604269;1396631876;truffles;now that show is much more interesting heh
604270;1396631890;mike_c;you eviscerated him much quicker than i could have.
604271;1396631916;mircea_popescu;see because the butcher who never needs his knife sharpened does not cut the meat
604272;1396631923;mircea_popescu;but merely follows the spaces thatr were already there.
604273;1396631932;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
604274;1396631965;danielpbarron;if you believe a lie, you are not saved
604275;1396631974;danielpbarron;regarding the Bible that is
604276;1396631999;lalusch;wtb neobee shares
604277;1396632003;lalusch;lol
604278;1396632034;mircea_popescu;paying auroracoins ?
604279;1396632115;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06299999 = 0.126 BTC [+]
604280;1396632267;the20year2;Lillith essentially comes from traditional jewish oral history
604281;1396632300;mircea_popescu;the20year2 "the bible" is an arbitrary cut-out of jewish folk stories anyway, so.
604282;1396632324;benkay;musta not made the nicean cut
604283;1396632328;mike_c;"And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked?"  << well who do you think it was?
604284;1396632328;benkay;wunder whylzolzolzl
604285;1396632345;danielpbarron;we shouldn't speculate, mike_c
604286;1396632353;mircea_popescu;why are you buying bitcoin then ?
604287;1396632355;mike_c;no discussing the bible?
604288;1396632366;mircea_popescu;mike_c only in latin.
604289;1396632371;danielpbarron;we shouldn't speculate regarding the Bible
604290;1396632377;the20year2;From the traditional theological classes I've taken the 'who that was' was satan
604291;1396632385;mircea_popescu;actually if a rule was made that discussing the bible in any other language is heresy and lake-of-fire it'd be so much better.
604292;1396632395;asciilifeform;koran.
604293;1396632399;danielpbarron;the Bible does not say that Satan told Adam he was naked
604294;1396632409;danielpbarron;to suggest otherwise would be to add to the Word
604295;1396632410;mircea_popescu;this is actually true.
604296;1396632421;danielpbarron;maybe Satan did say that, we don't know
604297;1396632434;mircea_popescu;the "who told you" question is indeed old.
604298;1396632434;mike_c;who else was talking at the time?
604299;1396632441;cmyers;danielpbarron: I wonder what your answer to the epicurian dilemma is?
604300;1396632444;benkay;(lilith)
604301;1396632453;danielpbarron;cmyers: i'm not familiar with it
604302;1396632456;mircea_popescu;benkay no, her mouth was full.
604303;1396632464;mircea_popescu;cmyers epicurean ffs.
604304;1396632474;mike_c;lilith and eve were in the garden at the same time?  sucks for adam.
604305;1396632477;the20year2;Thus why i said traditional theological classes
604306;1396632479;danielpbarron;the Bible says that simply eating the fruit caused them to change
604307;1396632493;benkay;mike_c: don't knock it...
604308;1396632493;mike_c;danielpbarron: then why did God ask the question?
604309;1396632497;mircea_popescu;mike_c proper blowjob is one on the balls the other on the head.
604310;1396632501;cmyers;there is evil in the world.  If god is willing to stop it, but unable, he is not omnipotent.  If he is able, but not willing, he is not perfectly good.  IF he is neither, why call him god?  If he is both, then whence commeth evil?
604311;1396632515;danielpbarron;mike_c: it was retorical?
604312;1396632519;danielpbarron;I don't know
604313;1396632524;danielpbarron;more speculation
604314;1396632526;mircea_popescu;cmyers " If he is able, but not willing, he is not perfectly good. " << that's weak.
604315;1396632529;danielpbarron;God doesn't say why He asked
604316;1396632547;cmyers;mircea_popescu: only if you define god as "not perfectly good"
604317;1396632549;danielpbarron;cmyers: God causes evil (see Isaiah 45:7)
604318;1396632551;cmyers;which is goalpost shifting
604319;1396632551;mircea_popescu;it unites the epicurean with the cheeky children of today, all presuming they are a measuring stick for good.
604320;1396632552;the20year2;Dpeends on if you believe or understand the biblical roots of sin and mankind. If you understand those it answers the question cmyers
604321;1396632553;mircea_popescu;they aren't.
604322;1396632578;mircea_popescu;my lash, and not my slave's butt, is the measuring stick of good.
604323;1396632590;cmyers;so god exists because the bible explains it all, and the bible explains it all because god exists.  awesome.
604324;1396632591;danielpbarron;so it is a misunderstanding to ask why God "allows evil" --- He CAUSES IT
604325;1396632599;cmyers;then god can suck my dick
604326;1396632606;benkay;how funny
604327;1396632608;cmyers;he's a shitty god
604328;1396632608;mircea_popescu;well she could...
604329;1396632615;the20year2;That's not where i"m going cmyers, I rather am saying the answer to your question is there
604330;1396632618;benkay;an atheist and a bible thumper show up in assets the same day
604331;1396632621;benkay;what are the odds.
604332;1396632625;mircea_popescu;cmyers problem is nobody asked you see ? :D
604333;1396632638;cmyers;fair enough.
604334;1396632642;danielpbarron;He's an all powerful God; if He didn't cause evil (and evil exists) then He is not all powerful
604335;1396632644;cmyers;time to go do work I guess =/
604336;1396632644;mircea_popescu;benkay i claim dibs on having produced the event.
604337;1396632660;cmyers;mircea_popescu: I agree, you get credit.
604338;1396632660;mircea_popescu;cmyers either that or you're not a perfectly good worker :D
604339;1396632669;cmyers;I never claimed to be =)
604340;1396632727;mircea_popescu;anyway. "evil" is definitely good. much like poverty, inequality and so forth
604341;1396632730;benkay;mircea_popescu: you suck.
604342;1396632738;mircea_popescu;pain and suffering is a sine qua non condition of human existence.
604343;1396632741;danielpbarron;evil is the opposite of good
604344;1396632746;mircea_popescu;benkay yeah but only clits.
604345;1396632749;benkay;mircea_popescu: i'd rather talk about lasers and encryption and rockets and titties
604346;1396632763;benkay;this nicean shit is BORING.
604347;1396632767;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/f161b6cc73b2beb3608e50fffc7026a0/tumblr_mjv7cihzDH1s83gwno1_500.jpg
604348;1396632768;mircea_popescu;ok.
604349;1396632782;benkay;what is wrong with her hair?!
604350;1396632787;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 101 @ 0.01574186 = 1.5899 BTC [+] {9} 
604351;1396632788;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60010001 BTC [-]
604352;1396632798;benkay;i've seen burner chicks with better hair at day 12 on the playa
604353;1396632799;mircea_popescu;i guess that's what emo foxy chicks do ?
604354;1396632813;the20year2;So has neobee collapsed with brewster stepping down, or are they still out there?
604355;1396632841;jborkl;she needs to wash her nasty feet
604356;1396632847;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.01899871 = 0.285 BTC [+] {2} 
604357;1396632850;jborkl;otherwise looking good
604358;1396632850;benkay;jborkl: lol
604359;1396632872;mircea_popescu;jborkl i think that's a fetish.
604360;1396632900;jborkl;well now that is gross, you know what is on the floor?
604361;1396632905;mircea_popescu;the20year2 there was some article earlier, apparently they're bein investigated for fraud by cyprus police now.
604362;1396632910;truffles;<danielpbarron> He's an all powerful God; if He didn't cause evil (and evil exists) then He is not all powerful >>>> my understanding was God made His creations and left them to freewill which amounted to this widespread evil
604363;1396632926;the20year2;i saw that mircea_popescu. I was curious if anyone had actually stopped by their offices in Cyprus?
604364;1396632928;truffles;acutally eating that apple was the beginning most likely
604365;1396632934;the20year2;truffles: that's the gist of the story
604366;1396632953;truffles;for a believer danielpbarron has a weird view of things
604367;1396632954;mircea_popescu;apparently their office is abandoned, employees unpaid went home.
604368;1396632964;the20year2;oh wow
604369;1396632984;the20year2;truffles: not exactly, his viewpoint is pretty common in US southern Baptists
604370;1396632997;truffles;oh
604371;1396633006;danielpbarron;truffles: that is not true; the concept of "free will" has no Biblical foundation
604372;1396633033;truffles;in some english translation its there
604373;1396633038;the20year2;it certrainly does if you're not a calvinist
604374;1396633041;danielpbarron;show me, truffles
604375;1396633045;truffles;pfff
604376;1396633056;truffles;not at this moment
604377;1396633062;jborkl;.b
604378;1396633068;danielpbarron;the Bible mentions "free will offerings" which are animal sacrifices that do not coresond to a sin having been committed
604379;1396633084;mircea_popescu;i guess kansas counts as southern for this purpose.
604380;1396633087;danielpbarron;that doesn't mean man choose to make the offering, God caused the choice
604381;1396633093;benkay;.bait
604382;1396633094;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/671c9247b6be6e9ef55673b00e1241d2/tumblr_moulc826Oe1qirt93o1_500.jpg
604383;1396633103;benkay;EXCELLENT BAIT, OZBOT
604384;1396633107;benkay;MUCH APPROVE
604385;1396633108;mike_c;oh geez. biblical determinism.  then why did god ask who told they were nekked??
604386;1396633116;benkay;such bait
604387;1396633118;danielpbarron;He doesn't say
604388;1396633123;jborkl;.bait jesus
604389;1396633125;ozbot;http://37.media.tumblr.com/449a6c8cbe96020ed4941c4b1ba290e5/tumblr_mn92i2q8GK1rj77kao1_500.jpg
604390;1396633130;the20year2;If choice doesn't exist, then why does Christ say "Come to me all who are weary"
604391;1396633134;mike_c;he's just asking random questions for no reason because he already knew and he made eve do it anyway?
604392;1396633136;truffles;mike_c simple answer He knoweth all
604393;1396633146;mike_c;DON'T YOU SEE THIS MAKES NO SENSE.
604394;1396633146;danielpbarron;the20year2: He doesn't say
604395;1396633154;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60010001 BTC [-]
604396;1396633166;danielpbarron;mike_c: you've never asked a retorical question?
604397;1396633166;the20year2;In Matthew 11:28 he doesn't?
604398;1396633177;mircea_popescu;<mike_c> he's just asking random questions for no reason because he already knew and he made eve do it anyway? << i actually do this.
604399;1396633186;jborkl;mircea, is -pr still banished from the forum?
604400;1396633190;mircea_popescu;much to [noob] slavegirl frustration.
604401;1396633199;truffles;lol banished
604402;1396633200;danielpbarron;the20year2: no, He doesn't say why He asked that question
604403;1396633201;mircea_popescu;jborkl i have no idea but i'd imagine so ?
604404;1396633212;mike_c;1) He made eve eat the apple.  2) He knew who told eve she was nekked.  3) He had a conversation about it with her anyway, already knowing the answers, the outcome of the conversation, and everything that would happen before and after.
604405;1396633220;benkay;mike_c: stahpo
604406;1396633220;mircea_popescu;sooo ?
604407;1396633227;benkay;mike_c: stahp stahp stahp stahp
604408;1396633230;danielpbarron;mike_c: we don't know that someone told Eve she was naked
604409;1396633231;truffles;whatd did she do that she didnt already do that caused banishment??
604410;1396633231;mike_c;sorry sorry.
604411;1396633233;mike_c;i'm out.
604412;1396633240;benkay;you're fired
604413;1396633248;the20year2;He told them to come to him who are weary, burdened, ect so they could believe in Him, so they could be changed. If it wasn't a choice ,Christ would have never said ' come to me',  he would have just done it to those whom he was speaking to.
604414;1396633254;benkay;the20year2!
604415;1396633255;benkay;you too!
604416;1396633260;benkay;cut it out!
604417;1396633264;the20year2;Meh
604418;1396633268;the20year2;I've made my point, i'm done
604419;1396633273;benkay;thank you.
604420;1396633282;mike_c;mircea_popescu: yes, humans (not omnipotent, not omniscient) do things like this.
604421;1396633284;danielpbarron;the20year2: you are adding to the word; you don't know what God should or shouldn't have done
604422;1396633294;the20year2;Just quoting it from the book
604423;1396633313;danielpbarron;you are saying what Christ should have done; who are you to reply against God?
604424;1396633327;mircea_popescu;mike_c you're familiar with frame of reference. it can readily be argued that in that context, i am actually both.
604425;1396633352;mike_c;readily? hardly.  powerful and knowledgable is not omnipotent and omniscient.
604426;1396633365;mircea_popescu;but in the context of a slavegirl and her universe, the master is both.
604427;1396633382;truffles;she can stab u at any time
604428;1396633383;mircea_popescu;that flows from the role definition, not much argument even.
604429;1396633392;mircea_popescu;truffles not more than you can fly at any time.
604430;1396633404;the20year2;I posted on BTCtalk, but i'm thinking in light of what's going on with N&B and danny that we (RS) elect a special POA in case I disappear
604431;1396633437;mircea_popescu;the20year2 just make sure it doesn't turn into a novel way to "sorry lost all the coins".
604432;1396633438;mike_c;so god is just fucking with us so he can play out a power trip. hm.
604433;1396633453;the20year2;I've already contacted a liquidation specialist, and our corp atty to see what needs to be done, granted in real estate I've done it before plenty of times. That way if i was to get run over by a bus, die from too much blow, ect there'd be an automatic liquidation process that would go through
604434;1396633455;mircea_popescu;mike_c you ascribe tho. slavery is not necessarily or even much about power tripping.
604435;1396633479;danielpbarron;the Biblical concept of slavery is more of a business deal
604436;1396633482;truffles;mike_c i dont think God needs to do that, thats what ppl like mp are for
604437;1396633506;mike_c;well, then you are saying the slave is doing something useful.  what are we doing that is useful for god?
604438;1396633515;mircea_popescu;i am not saying that.
604439;1396633519;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.01899873 = 0.228 BTC [+]
604440;1396633520;the20year2;A local landlord here hired a liquidation company for a few of her properties, in the end she got way more than I would have ever predicted
604441;1396633527;mike_c;ok socrates, help me out :)
604442;1396633530;mircea_popescu;how ?
604443;1396633534;mike_c;what are you saying.
604444;1396633554;mircea_popescu;i am saying that what you propose about god is within my own personal experience, and in the experience of people i know. this has factually happened.
604445;1396633562;mircea_popescu;yet you presented it as an exercise in absurdity.
604446;1396633564;mircea_popescu;well... it can't be that.
604447;1396633596;truffles;u dont know her thoughts at all times for 1
604448;1396633609;tg2;ITT god trolls #bitocin-assets
604449;1396633628;mircea_popescu;tg2 yeah you're getting a definite pay cut.
604450;1396633630;mike_c;but you do those things for a reason.  so unless god had a reason, the parallel is not there.  i can not imagine what you are saying god's reason is.
604451;1396633630;the20year2;For those of you that live in europe, what does home insurance run?
604452;1396633632;SatoshiJack;I believe the Son of God rocks for sure -- No one could kick Hercules's ass !
604453;1396633643;mircea_popescu;mike_c you familiar with the cause/purpose distinction ?
604454;1396633656;mike_c;i am aware there is a distinction.
604455;1396633666;tg2;too lazy to scroll up, what are we arguing about
604456;1396633676;mircea_popescu;ok. ascribing a purpose to my actions is what frustrates the slavegirls, too.
604457;1396633682;the20year2;and tank girls?
604458;1396633682;mircea_popescu;it's not accessible from their frame.
604459;1396633688;mike_c;hm.
604460;1396633690;tg2;and then, unto his followers, he said, "scroll, and all shall become clear".
604461;1396633697;the20year2;lol
604462;1396633722;truffles;Someone made the discussion about themself, why he is like God to his slave because he locks her up etc..
604463;1396633749;tg2;her = ?
604464;1396633759;tg2;somebody has a slavegirl?
604465;1396633765;mircea_popescu;hismom. hence butthurt.
604466;1396633765;truffles;supposedly
604467;1396633767;tg2;shit I better step my game up
604468;1396633775;tg2;hismom LOL
604469;1396633800;mircea_popescu;tg2 http://trilema.com/2010/test-de-cultura-vizuala-8/ there, just for you.
604470;1396633820;the20year2;what silly language is that in?
604471;1396633825;the20year2;all the words look funny
604472;1396633827;truffles;lol
604473;1396633832;mircea_popescu;it's Funnyanian.
604474;1396633836;tg2;your romanian
604475;1396633842;tg2;is too heavily written
604476;1396633842;tg2;;)
604477;1396633843;rithm;you are
604478;1396633843;truffles;its prob some easy language dont worry
604479;1396633851;rithm;or the romanian belongs to someone
604480;1396633855;mike_c;ok.  so you are saying that chapter in genesis makes sense if we are god's slaves.  i can accept that.
604481;1396633884;mircea_popescu;mike_c im not saying it makes sense, i'm merely saying thaty your proposed explanation of why it wouldn't make sense is a description of what you didn't understand of it and nothing more.
604482;1396633886;truffles;i cant
604483;1396633907;rithm;r u guys talking about christianity
604484;1396633911;rithm;why the fuck.
604485;1396633912;mircea_popescu;whether it does or does not make sense, as far as your raa goes it might as well.
604486;1396633921;mircea_popescu;rithm because i am evil and they are easily tempted.
604487;1396633923;tg2;#rekt
604488;1396633928;mircea_popescu;same reason everything else happens in here.
604489;1396633937;truffles;well i think i brought up the religion thing
604490;1396633940;tg2;mircea, do you even god?
604491;1396633944;rithm;oic this is your fanciful game, not theirs
604492;1396633944;danielpbarron;the master cannot neccessarily cause the slave to make choices; God can
604493;1396633945;truffles;and some ppl ran with it
604494;1396633956;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron tell that to the slave.
604495;1396633961;mike_c;no, you are not saying it makes sense.  but you are saying that it would make sense if we were god's slaves.  there may be other explanations, but that is one possibility that makes sense.   i'm pretty sure you said that.
604496;1396633967;tg2;god gave man free will
604497;1396633970;mircea_popescu;mike_c sure.
604498;1396633974;danielpbarron;a master can make a slave WISH he made a certain choice; God can literally cause the choice to be made
604499;1396633978;mircea_popescu;like that it works.
604500;1396633986;tg2;so that he could judge him
604501;1396633987;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron ever been a slave ?
604502;1396633988;tg2;obv
604503;1396633995;danielpbarron;yes
604504;1396633997;truffles;danielpbarron id agree with that
604505;1396633997;danielpbarron;i am currently
604506;1396634006;mircea_popescu;to whom ?
604507;1396634010;the20year2;daniel lives in western africa
604508;1396634012;rithm;does god exist everywhere or not. I mean this whole omnipresence thing just makes me think I'm god.....
604509;1396634021;danielpbarron;to Jesus and to the United States of America Corporation
604510;1396634023;tg2;where was it assumed that god can cause the choice to be made?
604511;1396634034;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron well so there you go, your master can make you make a choice. qed.
604512;1396634041;danielpbarron;yes, Jesus can
604513;1396634043;mircea_popescu;luke's like gonna read this log and fall over.
604514;1396634048;tg2;lol
604515;1396634049;danielpbarron;but that is not inherent in His role as master
604516;1396634050;the20year2;mircea_popescu: you've paid attention to this whole HFT thing, right?
604517;1396634056;mircea_popescu;the20year2 sort-of.
604518;1396634069;the20year2;You were talking about it yesterday
604519;1396634069;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr is on his way to hell; catholicism is a false religion
604520;1396634077;truffles;lol
604521;1396634085;tg2;somebody ask assbot what he thinks on the matter
604522;1396634092;danielpbarron;I hope he repents of course; it's not too late
604523;1396634093;mircea_popescu;;;coin
604524;1396634093;gribble;heads
604525;1396634095;the20year2;I'm curious, how many catholics do you personally know and talk to daniel?
604526;1396634111;danielpbarron;i know at least one "irl" but probably more
604527;1396634113;tg2;none, they are all hethens
604528;1396634116;tg2;amirite
604529;1396634124;the20year2;how often do you talk to them about catholicism?
604530;1396634128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00096154 = 19.0385 BTC [+] {2} 
604531;1396634129;tg2;I married a catholic and didn't get married in a church, does that make me OK?
604532;1396634143;mircea_popescu;tg2 did you gangbang afterwards ?
604533;1396634148;danielpbarron;often enough to know that most catholics don't even believe their own false dogma, let alone the real Gospel
604534;1396634152;jborkl;what God is the correct one, I need to make sure to pick correctly- kinda important.
604535;1396634165;tg2;mircea_popescu, with holy water as lube
604536;1396634168;the20year2;What's your sample size daniel?
604537;1396634174;danielpbarron;jborkl: the Jesus Christ of the Bible (see: http://atruechurch.info/ )
604538;1396634174;mircea_popescu;holy shit this is a brilliant idea
604539;1396634177;tg2;if it's catholic holy waters, does that make it ok?
604540;1396634178;mircea_popescu;sell holy lube!
604541;1396634183;pankkake;jborkl: this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271711.0
604542;1396634203;jborkl;What happens to everyone that picked the wrong one?
604543;1396634211;mircea_popescu;god damn it i got pankkake -rolled into reading my own consecration thread.
604544;1396634212;the20year2;who's site is that daniel?
604545;1396634213;truffles;fail religious ppl dont ejac
604546;1396634219;danielpbarron;the20year2: I'm not claiming any scientific rigor here
604547;1396634223;tg2;may thy fornication be lubricous
604548;1396634236;danielpbarron;the20year2: Darwin Fish
604549;1396634239;cryptolemming;Hi, I'm new here, would just like to introduce we will be announcing a pre-launch of our dice-inspired games casino in the coming weeks.  Will be around here a bit in the meantime and likely moreso after launch.
604550;1396634241;pankkake;it's more of a MPOE-PR consecration
604551;1396634241;the20year2;you're just making a statement of 1.2 billion people based on a few you know
604552;1396634265;tg2;and unto thee, god said "adulterers and fornicators rejoice, as my gift to thee I bestow the holiest of librification"
604553;1396634266;the20year2;"Everyone is wrong but us!"
604554;1396634267;mircea_popescu;anyway, in a doomed effort to improve the porn-to-text ratio of this god forsaken channel, i present you
604555;1396634268;mircea_popescu;http://37.media.tumblr.com/088d6d825684af5af652308ec79f8160/tumblr_mhtyo5sIsL1qa258ao1_1280.jpg
604556;1396634273;mircea_popescu;cryptolemming nice name. welcome.
604557;1396634282;tg2;and sodomites
604558;1396634287;danielpbarron;the20year2: none of the catholics i've met "irl" actually believe the catholic dogma; and NO CATHOLIC EVER has believed the entire Bible
604559;1396634291;tg2;;;ident
604560;1396634291;gribble;Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is not identified.
604561;1396634293;cryptolemming;thank you glad to be here, figure it's about time I learned how to navigate IRC chat etc
604562;1396634301;tg2;;;gpg eauth tg2
604563;1396634302;gribble;Request successful for user tg2, hostmask tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/31FAA963C3333333
604564;1396634316;mircea_popescu;cryptolemming so what's your name and who are "we" ?
604565;1396634319;jborkl;you can tell she has not been there long, she has not shit in the corner yet
604566;1396634326;pankkake;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Slave_at_St._Andrews_cross_(3092).jpg/768px-Slave_at_St._Andrews_cross_(3092).jpg probably more related to the discussion
604567;1396634332;mircea_popescu;jborkl whoa sometimes you scare me.
604568;1396634338;the20year2;danielpbarron: That's interesting because i know at least one who does
604569;1396634343;jborkl;lol
604570;1396634349;tg2;;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e55810a88948699504563318b2939d86ba323f6e556adead185d3cb6
604571;1396634349;danielpbarron;the20year2: does what? believe the false catholic dogma?
604572;1396634350;gribble;You are now authenticated for user tg2 with key 31FAA963C3333333
604573;1396634352;the20year2;but my sample size is of about 15 catholics
604574;1396634369;truffles;whoa thats a lot dude
604575;1396634374;cryptolemming;Ali Ayoub, 'we' includes 2 deveopers, one backend - yellowdog from satoshirat, and frontend - qwyz
604576;1396634376;the20year2;When you say 'whole bible' do you mean exactly as you interpet it?
604577;1396634382;cryptolemming;*developers
604578;1396634386;mircea_popescu;cryptolemming ah i recall you. so get in the wot ?
604579;1396634393;danielpbarron;the20year2: yes, the Bible says believers will be of "one mind"
604580;1396634419;cryptolemming;I believe so, authoriz etc although no history etc
604581;1396634422;the20year2;But if it's literal that means all christians share the exact same physical brain, if you believe in strict literal interpetation
604582;1396634429;truffles;danielpbarron now ure of one mind with the church of bitcoin!!
604583;1396634434;mircea_popescu;and they don;t ?
604584;1396634436;danielpbarron;the20year2: it doesn't say "one brain"
604585;1396634438;nubbins`;nothing lulzier than people talking about the bible as it's translated into English
604586;1396634451;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i did mention latrin dun haet.
604587;1396634460;nubbins`;you're exempt!
604588;1396634462;danielpbarron;i will dump bitcoin in a second if circumstances change
604589;1396634470;the20year2;what circumstances?
604590;1396634473;danielpbarron;whatever
604591;1396634477;truffles;ye of little faith
604592;1396634480;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1770700/plain/)
604593;1396634480;mircea_popescu;!b 3
604594;1396634484;the20year2;If the leader of your church says to?
604595;1396634487;mircea_popescu;damn truffles.
604596;1396634488;danielpbarron;my point is; bitcoin is not eternal, not worth going to hell over
604597;1396634490;truffles;owned
604598;1396634494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00096072 = 10.2317 BTC [-] {2} 
604599;1396634501;nubbins`;whenever someone claims "the bible says x" and they don't speak greek or hebrew, it's actually okay to hit them in the face
604600;1396634501;asciilifeform;hellcoin
604601;1396634502;the20year2;so why are you here?
604602;1396634514;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mined by proof of smoke ?
604603;1396634518;nubbins`;^
604604;1396634519;nubbins`;hahah
604605;1396634521;the20year2;hebrew and greek certainly bring a whole new aspect to reading the bible
604606;1396634525;nubbins`;burning-bushchain
604607;1396634532;asciilifeform;proof-of-torment
604608;1396634541;nubbins`;the20year2: it could be successfully argued that english is what brings a new aspect to it.
604609;1396634543;danielpbarron;the20year2: i like Bitcoin at the moment
604610;1396634544;the20year2;mircea_popescu:  reason i asked about HFT was this is on the 1st page of reddit  - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-03/bats-admits-ceo-lied-about-hft-cnbc
604611;1396634549;mircea_popescu;nubbins` actually, greek, aramaic and latin. hebrew is more like... you know, the sort of boxed edition they release 10 years after the movie.
604612;1396634565;nubbins`;heeh
604613;1396634568;nubbins`;fair
604614;1396634568;mircea_popescu;the20year2 what specifically about it ?
604615;1396634590;mike_c;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=414857.0
604616;1396634592;ozbot;[ANN] [GOD] Jesuscoin Scrypt New Altcoin
604617;1396634599;danielpbarron;ew
604618;1396634615;nubbins`;i'm actually working on a project right now, silkscreening a copy of the gospel according to mark in scriptio continua
604619;1396634616;mircea_popescu;that boxed edition where you discover the supersexy voice actress is a 4 foot 6 troll.
604620;1396634636;nubbins`;let me find a page
604621;1396634649;mircea_popescu;mike_c i wonder if they have jesuscoin jesusi
604622;1396634655;the20year2;just that they stated he lied
604623;1396634690;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/EOdFATK
604624;1396634690;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
604625;1396634691;mike_c;lol. maybe they can get ver to convert
604626;1396634693;nubbins`;^ source material
604627;1396634711;cryptolemming;so a rather eclectic collection of conversation points here I take it, look forward to getting to know some of you better in time.  for now, I'll resist the temptation to bring up neo & bee, if not primarily bc I can only assume it's been discussed to ends.
604628;1396634740;nubbins`;the guy who's financing this project is scribing the whole fucking thing by hand
604629;1396634751;mircea_popescu;cryptolemming kinda. you know how to pull up the logs ?
604630;1396634781;cryptolemming;I do not, will be making friends with the help menu in the coming week.
604631;1396634788;mircea_popescu;!topic
604632;1396634793;mircea_popescu;eh fu assbot.
604633;1396634795;mircea_popescu;;;topic
604634;1396634795;gribble;http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
604635;1396634810;cryptolemming;okay great thanks
604636;1396635005;cryptolemming;;;topic
604637;1396635006;gribble;http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
604638;1396635063;cryptolemming;;;neo
604639;1396635063;gribble;Error: "neo" is not a valid command.
604640;1396635070;cryptolemming;trial and error ftw
604641;1396635078;mircea_popescu;!t h neobee
604642;1396635079;assbot;Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
604643;1396635089;mircea_popescu;seriously ?!
604644;1396635091;mircea_popescu;!t h rent
604645;1396635091;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (163 shares, 1.22250000 BTC), 7D: 0.00610000 / 0.00742383 / 0.00750000 (18519 shares, 137.48186661 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00623288 / 0.00900001 (53660 shares, 334.45651440 BTC)
604646;1396635146;cryptolemming;will continue to lurk and take my newb spam to private, cheers
604647;1396635188;mike_c;!t h neobeeq
604648;1396635189;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEEQ] 1D:  / 0 /  (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00185115 / 0.00207117 / 0.00242900 (6618 shares, 13.70700255 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00330782 / 0.00450000 (425696 shares, 1408.12547591 BTC)
604649;1396635207;mircea_popescu;what sorceryq is thisq ?!
604650;1396635214;mike_c;they changed the symbol
604651;1396635229;wywialm_;mircea_popescu, bible and latin? you sure?
604652;1396635236;mircea_popescu;wywialm_ thomas.
604653;1396635288;wywialm_;which thomas? still not getting it
604654;1396635338;mircea_popescu;Thomas Aquinas, Doctor Angelicus, Doctor Communis, Doctor Universalis.
604655;1396635532;numerisTrade;well, ok, he commented the latin translation, but still translation and not the original - i thought nubbins` referred to original languages
604656;1396635566;mircea_popescu;latin is as much an orginal language of the bible as greek is.
604657;1396635592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00096053 = 16.329 BTC [-] {2} 
604658;1396635607;mircea_popescu;"translation" has to be taken with a grain of salt in this context. it's not what we're used with.
604659;1396635634;wywialm_;please expain
604660;1396635639;wywialm_;explain*
604661;1396635654;truffles;this has lasted longer than the other boring topic wierdness!
604662;1396635684;mircea_popescu;well, a set of texts which was originally written in mostly aramaic has been transalted. for the eastern church, centered around byzantium and the eastern dioceses, in greek.
604663;1396635700;mircea_popescu;for the western church, centered around rome and the western (mostly, gaulish) dioceses in latin.
604664;1396635716;mircea_popescu;these are very much equally so "originals" even if the two bibles are only considered the same item for the sake of laziness.
604665;1396635736;mircea_popescu;otherwise the story of the irreducible differences would easily fill the libraries. which it had been filling, 500 to 1500 ad.
604666;1396635768;mircea_popescu;fortunately people found better inanity to bother with
604667;1396635787;mircea_popescu;such as ipads and what was jane doe wearing under her skirt.
604668;1396635852;kakobrekla;>Popescu's best buddy the Frenchman pankkake is also in this deep. He has taken money from MP to carryout attacks on all things not MPEx. Pankkake knows enough to put MP behind bars for blackmail, extortion, commercial attacks. If the FBI put pressure on pankkake he will talk. The French bow to pressure very easily. Always have.
604669;1396635879;truffles;sick
604670;1396635881;mircea_popescu;pankkake awww, sammy, you'd sing ?! under pressure ?!
604671;1396635894;pankkake;I've dealt with a lot of stupid on the interebs but this is… I don't even want to reply to the thing
604672;1396635897;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.06299999 = 0.882 BTC [+] {2} 
604673;1396635912;truffles;the insult about being french?
604674;1396635913;pankkake;I got out trolled
604675;1396635924;mircea_popescu;pankkake you lose.
604676;1396635946;mircea_popescu;;;google translate "nu te pune cu prostu' ca are mintea odihnita"
604677;1396635946;gribble;(google translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results.
604678;1396635967;mircea_popescu;;;google translate romanian english "nu te pune cu prostu' ca are mintea odihnita"
604679;1396635968;gribble;Error: Google says: Response Status 403: Please use Translate v2.  See http://code.google.com/apis/language/translate/overview.html.
604680;1396635972;mircea_popescu;derp.
604681;1396636006;pankkake;the best is that the two found each other in their desperation - they both lost a lot in scams, and made a common merged enemy
604682;1396636026;truffles;some1 found u as easy bait lol
604683;1396636034;mircea_popescu;i just hope nobody takes offense at the bff suggestion. i love lots of you just as much!
604684;1396636083;truffles;Napoleon wasnt weak why dont they mention him?
604685;1396636084;pankkake;apparently I also know a lot of stuff
604686;1396636090;mircea_popescu;anyway, i wonder what the root of this imaginary crime of "commercial attacks" is supposed to be. a mistranslation or something ?
604687;1396636146;pankkake;but stuartuk is supposed to be from the uk
604688;1396636166;pankkake;they really like the competition, antitrust, whatever, laws, it seems
604689;1396636179;mircea_popescu;how is neobee supposed to be a competitor for anyone again ?
604690;1396636187;mircea_popescu;weren't they very limited geographically ?
604691;1396636238;truffles;neobee envy?
604692;1396636279;mircea_popescu;maybe that's most of what's reported in the press they read, so that's what they think about.
604693;1396636301;mircea_popescu;tbh it'd be kinda flattering for mpex to get sued by some antitrust regulator.
604694;1396636315;pankkake;indeed
604695;1396636447;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 999 @ 0.00039819 = 0.3978 BTC [-] {5} 
604696;1396636547;mircea_popescu;anyway, why so much racism ?
604697;1396636562;mircea_popescu;im sure the british would sing under pressure as much as teh french.
604698;1396636589;truffles;i think the word u seek is prejudice
604699;1396636629;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 612 @ 0.00086381 = 0.5287 BTC [-] {2} 
604700;1396636690;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 388 @ 0.00084103 = 0.3263 BTC [-] {3} 
604701;1396636771;wywialm_;french is different race than british
604702;1396636819;truffles;u mean country?
604703;1396636834;danielpbarron;there is one human race; genetic differences are minor
604704;1396636915;HeySteve;one human species, many races
604705;1396636929;ThickAsThieves;dafuck, Havelock is gonna resume neo trading?
604706;1396636959;wywialm_;i mean irony, mircea_popescu means race if the french bow stuff is racism :)
604707;1396636972;pankkake;The Fund will now be designated as NEOBEEQ to reflect the uncertainty of the future of LMB Holdings
604708;1396636990;kakobrekla;q as questionable?
604709;1396636992;ThickAsThieves;i dont even...
604710;1396637001;mircea_popescu;why not D ?
604711;1396637008;truffles;heh apparently "race" might have french origins hmm
604712;1396637011;pankkake;just rename it to "SOMETHING"
604713;1396637014;pankkake;or "WHATEVER"
604714;1396637023;ThickAsThieves;or "GIVEUSTRADEFEES"
604715;1396637040;pankkake;that migth explain the decision :(
604716;1396637049;ThickAsThieves;do they even lawyer?
604717;1396637056;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60005 = 1.2001 BTC [-] {2} 
604718;1396637116;danielpbarron;HeySteve: that's called racism
604719;1396637117;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 33 @ 0.0075 = 0.2475 BTC [+]
604720;1396637132;mircea_popescu;both anglosaxons and french claled themselves a "race" in the 18th-19th century
604721;1396637136;mircea_popescu;so i can hide behind that.
604722;1396637150;truffles;caucasian,mongoloid,negroid,australoid
604723;1396637232;mircea_popescu;so wait, you can now trade the suspended neobee symbol by trading neobeeq ?
604724;1396637244;thestringpuller;...
604725;1396637262;thestringpuller;can havelock just implode already so i can win my bet...
604726;1396637267;mike_c;not for two hours.  anticipation!
604727;1396637279;pankkake;cryptostocks is still running so…
604728;1396637289;pankkake;running scams doesn't seem to change much
604729;1396637295;mircea_popescu;is nefario on the advisory board of havelock or is stupidity just this copy/pasta by nature ?
604730;1396637302;pankkake;perhaps cryptostocks isn't as high profile
604731;1396637324;mircea_popescu;this is EXACTLY the goat suspension of 2012, by the book.
604732;1396637336;mircea_popescu;just as laughable, actually, benkay you may wanna do a side by side comparison.
604733;1396637395;pankkake;I like how the Q looks http://i.imgur.com/Mgixn0A.png
604734;1396637488;mike_c;and the goat suspension of 2014.  cog is trading again too
604735;1396637544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 601 @ 0.0075 = 4.5075 BTC [+]
604736;1396637570;benkay;goat suspension?
604737;1396637575;benkay;i didn't know he hung from hooks.
604738;1396637666;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 167 @ 0.06007661 = 10.0328 BTC [-] {8} 
604739;1396637864;mircea_popescu;cog is nominally not goat's.
604740;1396637885;truffles;gribble doesnt like assets
604741;1396637908;truffles;and other places nm
604742;1396637971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 48.55606712 BTC to 80`674 shares, 60188 satoshi per share
604743;1396638093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.038 = 0.114 BTC [+]
604744;1396638164;benkay;;;google whet emotions
604745;1396638238;kanzure;is there any rule 34 fan art of mozilla monster killing homos'
604746;1396638241;nubbins`;<mircea_popescu> pankkake awww, sammy, you'd sing ?! under pressure ?!
604747;1396638253;nubbins`;but would it sound as good as freddie? pictures of your teeth plz
604748;1396638257;thestringpuller;!last m s.mpoe
604749;1396638257;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096053 BTC [-]
604750;1396638291;pankkake;replace pressure by alcohol and I will sing
604751;1396638320;truffles;happy drunk ftw
604752;1396638399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06085714 = 0.426 BTC [-] {3} 
604753;1396638425;truffles;does a pankkake drink expensive alcohol?
604754;1396638445;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXOOwNS2qk0
604755;1396638445;ozbot;QUEEN - Under Pressure (Live At Wembley Stadium 1986) - YouTube
604756;1396638465;pankkake;wikipedia deleted an article I wrote years ago, which passed the deletion test once… but that time it was quick and sneaky
604757;1396638471;pankkake;also deleted the MP ones
604758;1396638480;pankkake;-s
604759;1396638481;pankkake;delete all the things!
604760;1396638489;asciilifeform;and i had the honour of being publicly beheaded as a spammer there.
604761;1396638508;pankkake;truffles: I like belgian beer, not that expensive
604762;1396638517;truffles;meh beer sucks
604763;1396638521;truffles;what else
604764;1396638531;pankkake;le rouge qui tache
604765;1396638581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0591275 = 0.473 BTC [-] {3} 
604766;1396638607;truffles;well that guy on the bottle..
604767;1396638665;truffles;nm alcohol what about cheese
604768;1396638667;pankkake;oh there's one actually called that. it's an expression
604769;1396638689;pankkake;I don't especially like cheese. I'm nota true French
604770;1396638695;truffles;i can see that
604771;1396638733;truffles;what does the expression mean then
604772;1396638764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05805 = 0.1161 BTC [-] {2} 
604773;1396638776;truffles;google says "red that stains"
604774;1396638780;pankkake;basic red wine
604775;1396638803;truffles;ok
604776;1396638824;truffles;whatever is presented eh
604777;1396638886;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0615 = 0.123 BTC [+]
604778;1396638887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00096021 = 16.5636 BTC [-] {2} 
604779;1396638948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1857 @ 0.00007931 = 0.1473 BTC [-] {4} 
604780;1396638950;pankkake;I have some preferences but hard to describe them. general preference to bitterness and high vicosity
604781;1396638957;pankkake;what about you?
604782;1396638961;pankkake;where is Vexual by the way?
604783;1396638963;truffles;sweet
604784;1396638970;pankkake;;;seen Vexual
604785;1396638970;gribble;Vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 1 day, 20 hours, and 9 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat
604786;1396638970;truffles;or fruity
604787;1396639008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.602 BTC [+]
604788;1396639076;benkay;pankkake: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=81
604789;1396639131;truffles;id like to go to macau!
604790;1396639191;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0574998 = 0.115 BTC [-]
604791;1396639257;truffles;gambaler's paradise!
604792;1396639375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0574998 = 0.1725 BTC [-]
604793;1396639436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00096014 = 19.8749 BTC [-] {2} 
604794;1396639801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 34 @ 0.01899891 = 0.646 BTC [+] {2} 
604795;1396639815;pLambert;got a mail from Havelock, re NEOBEE "Trading will resume today at 5:00 PM EST"
604796;1396639862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00096304 = 26.291 BTC [+] {5} 
604797;1396639980;pankkake;but will they clear the order book?
604798;1396640016;pLambert;I think they already did clear out the order books, all my old orders are gone
604799;1396640028;ThickAsThieves;pankkake, i assume that's partly why they changed the tickert
604800;1396640035;mgio;what do you predict the price will go to, say, in an hour?
604801;1396640047;pLambert;now it is NEOBEEQ, the q is for questionable
604802;1396640054;mgio;should be NEOBEE.Q
604803;1396640055;ThickAsThieves;ridiculousness
604804;1396640061;pLambert;I predict it will go down an order of magnitude
604805;1396640070;ThickAsThieves;make a bitbet, quick!
604806;1396640082;pankkake;hm probably, even bots would fail on it
604807;1396640083;pLambert;does bitbet let you make bets that quick?
604808;1396640086;mgio;like 0.00019?
604809;1396640114;mgio;its not even worth me selling anymore, sigh
604810;1396640118;dexX7;fyi: ukyo's claim portal is open again.. i was able to get my 6 %
604811;1396640120;benkay`;neo be queer
604812;1396640128;pLambert;last was something like .0019, so yeah, something like that
604813;1396640167;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06065 = 0.1213 BTC [+] {2} 
604814;1396640293;ThickAsThieves;i dunno, liquidity will be very thin, i wouldnt be surprised to see much lower
604815;1396640333;pLambert;I bet it will be pretty wildly volatile
604816;1396640343;Mats_cd03;huhuhu
604817;1396640351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 34 @ 0.0562674 = 1.9131 BTC [-] {8} 
604818;1396640357;pLambert;or else it will just drop like a rock and stick at .000000001
604819;1396640387;pLambert;hmm, I think that is one extra 0, but you get the idea
604820;1396640393;mgio;nah, i would buy it at that price lol
604821;1396640399;pankkake;or havelol will not be able to handle the load
604822;1396640426;ThickAsThieves;havelol, lol
604823;1396640429;pLambert;anybody want to bet on how soon after 5:00 Havelock goes ofline from the high load?
604824;1396640432;ThickAsThieves;good point though
604825;1396640440;mgio;if it dropped to 0.00005 or below, i'd it all up
604826;1396640441;ThickAsThieves;the site has gotten very boggy
604827;1396640447;pankkake;when cog started again it was quite slow
604828;1396640533;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 42 @ 0.01891708 = 0.7945 BTC [-] {3} 
604829;1396640566;kakobrekla;huge volume according to surfer
604830;1396640856;ThickAsThieves;scamfer
604831;1396640996;mike_c;kakobrekla props.  bitbet works amazingly well with javascript turned off.
604832;1396640996;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
604833;1396641232;kakobrekla;:)
604834;1396641252;mike_c;pls stop setting the bar so high.
604835;1396641261;kakobrekla;lol
604836;1396641448;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0555 = 0.2775 BTC [-] {3} 
604837;1396641513;Namworld;[11:53] <nubbins`> literally, he will cripple himself before the first 10k is up
604838;1396641562;Namworld;common, that's a gross exaggeration.
604839;1396641585;Namworld;10k isn't a lot
604840;1396641632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.038 = 0.38 BTC [+]
604841;1396641754;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.05327278 = 1.172 BTC [-] {3} 
604842;1396641804;benkay`;;;lasers
604843;1396641805;gribble;┌� ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
604844;1396641875;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05999999 = 0.18 BTC [+]
604845;1396641936;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05440005 = 0.544 BTC [-] {4} 
604846;1396641997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05275 = 0.211 BTC [-] {3} 
604847;1396642085;Apocalyptic;.d
604848;1396642085;ozbot;5.007 billion | Next Diff in 115 blocks | Estimated Change: 21.5596% in 0d 14h 58m 37s
604849;1396642096;Namworld;Okay, admitedly, 80k in a short timespan would be impossible for an average, untrained person.
604850;1396642138;Namworld;But the average human can certainly sustain more than 10k before running out of energy.
604851;1396642181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.052 = 0.156 BTC [-]
604852;1396642241;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 76 @ 0.05161841 = 3.923 BTC [-] {3} 
604853;1396642242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00096536 = 8.3021 BTC [+]
604854;1396642275;nubbins`;Namworld, i'm not talking about running out of energy
604855;1396642280;nubbins`;i'm talking about injuring himself :D
604856;1396642292;Namworld;Injuring himself how?
604857;1396642297;nubbins`;go pick someone out of a crowd and tell them to run 10k, then ask them how their legs and feet feel afterward
604858;1396642302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0609 = 0.2436 BTC [+]
604859;1396642303;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.051 = 1.071 BTC [-] {2} 
604860;1396642337;Namworld;Tired? Not injured?
604861;1396642398;nubbins`;heh
604862;1396642420;nubbins`;well why don't you just take ALL the wind outta my sails
604863;1396642424;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 142 @ 0.05 = 7.1 BTC [-] {4} 
604864;1396642442;nubbins`;either way, we can both agree that doing a double marathon cold is an incredibly stupid idea
604865;1396642480;Namworld;I give him 20-40k in with slowing down/breaks by the time it ends.
604866;1396642485;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.048 = 0.144 BTC [-]
604867;1396642605;nubbins`;that's generous!
604868;1396642607;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.04905714 = 1.0302 BTC [+] {3} 
604869;1396642609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24000 @ 0.00096609 = 23.1862 BTC [+] {2} 
604870;1396642614;mike_c;how long? 12, 13 hours?
604871;1396642624;Namworld;idk, I could randomly go and walk 8-10k at a fast pace when I was a kid. About 15 min per kilometer. Except that time at the end of the school year. Year was officially over but everyone was hanging around waiting for buses. I packed all my locker in my bag and just left on foot. Walked 10 kilometers on foot in like 30C temp on a sunny afternoon and stopped at the library about 1k before
604872;1396642624;Namworld;home to drink and read and cool of with the AC..
604873;1396642645;Namworld;Now that time my legs felt dead and I was walking at a crawl by the end.
604874;1396642671;Namworld;But I had my bag stretched from carrying all my books at once.
604875;1396642729;Namworld;That guy says he goes to the gym unregularly and he's in uni it seems? I'm really not sporty on the other end.
604876;1396642756;Namworld;He's young and probably taller and in better shape than me in mid highschool.
604877;1396642761;thestringpuller;damn Namworld that is gangsta
604878;1396642767;Namworld;20-40k isn't generous.
604879;1396642772;Namworld;I feel it's fair
604880;1396642779;thestringpuller;how much did the stuff weigh that was in your locker?
604881;1396642782;thestringpuller;just books and stuff?
604882;1396642787;Namworld;Humans are literally built for endurance.
604883;1396642837;Namworld;Eh, not sure. A few large manuals, binders of notes, etc. It wasn't a full locker, I think I had emptied some of it another day. The whole wouldn't have fitted in the bag.
604884;1396642868;Namworld;But you know, a schoolbag fitted with so much you have to hammer the last books in and it looks like a stretched block afterward.
604885;1396642944;nubbins`;he can't walk 40k
604886;1396642948;nubbins`;he'd be out there for like 10 hours
604887;1396642973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00096639 = 9.5673 BTC [+]
604888;1396643059;nubbins`;http://www.coindesk.com/canadian-government-end-mintchip-digital-currency-program/
604889;1396643088;Namworld;I didn't say he'd walk them. Although he'd probably wouldn't be able to run very fast either.
604890;1396643117;nubbins`;https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=NEOBEEQ
604891;1396643118;Namworld;I mean by the time the whole event is over he'd be maybe 25-50% of the way through?
604892;1396643128;nubbins`;my guess is no more than 25%
604893;1396643147;nubbins`;which is still a half marathon
604894;1396643215;nubbins`;my sides @ neobeeq
604895;1396643236;mike_c;30 minutes to the opening bell
604896;1396643248;Namworld;If I could walk 10km with a large charge on my back in ~3hours I'm sure someone in uni can sprint 20-40k during the event. How long does it even last?
604897;1396643269;mircea_popescu;<mike_c> kakobrekla props.  bitbet works amazingly well with javascript turned off. << javascript can be turned on ?~
604898;1396643269;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
604899;1396643278;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05662335 = 0.1699 BTC [+]
604900;1396643327;Namworld;At a bare minimum, 20k. 40k is really an upper bound depending on how much his "occasional" means for going to the gym.
604901;1396643345;mike_c;mircea_popescu: aw, i know you use JS. you've been on my site :)
604902;1396643400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05902474 = 0.2951 BTC [+] {2} 
604903;1396643480;mircea_popescu;mike_c sooo ?
604904;1396643558;mike_c;i didn't think you could post a comment without JS on mine, but looks like you can.  nevermind, your reputation is secure.
604905;1396643589;nubbins`;"var should be enough for anybody"
604906;1396643606;mircea_popescu;your local antitrust authority has been notified about your commercial attack practices.
604907;1396643637;mircea_popescu;expect to be extradited to romania.
604908;1396643675;nubbins`;http://www.npr.org/2014/01/13/262175399/is-16-and-pregnant-an-effective-form-of-birth-control
604909;1396643676;ozbot;Is '16 And Pregnant' An Effective Form Of Birth Control? : NPR
604910;1396643683;nubbins`;lel
604911;1396643690;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557436.msg6073507#msg6073507
604912;1396643691;ozbot;Hey Bigbitz - this is for you.
604913;1396643765;nubbins`;"You can go fuck yourself for the 2 BTC gift you gave me"
604914;1396643783;grahvity|desktop;neobee trading resumes this afternoon https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=NEOBEEQ
604915;1396643798;mircea_popescu;grahvity|desktop check the logs eh ?
604916;1396643819;grahvity|desktop;didn't know whether I was being helpful or not
604917;1396643829;mircea_popescu;that's why you check the logs :)
604918;1396643843;grahvity|desktop;mobile
604919;1396643845;jurov;making a zombie from it...quite original solution
604920;1396643848;grahvity|desktop;:/
604921;1396643875;ThickAsThieves;http://www.coindesk.com/canadian-government-end-mintchip-digital-currency-program/
604922;1396643875;mircea_popescu;mp petitions bingo to switch to .lk links
604923;1396643902;nubbins`;grahvity|desktop: your mobile doesn't have a web browser? :0
604924;1396643905;moiety;mew all :) just catching up
604925;1396643912;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: check the logs eh?
604926;1396643923;grahvity|desktop;using an app
604927;1396643946;mircea_popescu;nubbins` :D
604928;1396643949;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0614 = 0.1228 BTC [+]
604929;1396643950;ThickAsThieves;shit!
604930;1396643956;nubbins`;;D
604931;1396643974;grahvity|desktop;cheers, guys
604932;1396643976;nubbins`;BOTH OF YA
604933;1396643991;BingoBoingo;Petition acknowledged
604934;1396644045;mircea_popescu;"Then we came across a quote by [CEO] Sarah Brown at the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy and she speculated that this show was having an effect."
604935;1396644063;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do they reason to come to the conclusion preventing teen pregnancy is a worthwhile thing to do
604936;1396644067;nubbins`;"then we watched the show and it was many say so she is right"
604937;1396644068;moiety;BingoBoingo: ty!! i have new desktopmanul nao :D
604938;1396644075;nubbins`;*many sad
604939;1396644093;BingoBoingo;moiety: Ur welcome
604940;1396644097;jurov;inb4 manulcoin
604941;1396644100;moiety;lol micrea, that was a pekinese... much uglier than my manuls
604942;1396644106;moiety;mircea_popescu*
604943;1396644118;nubbins`;it's actually spelled marsellus
604944;1396644132;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60849999 = 1.217 BTC [+] {2} 
604945;1396644158;mircea_popescu;marsellus goldstein whateveritwas
604946;1396644168;pankkake;what about miscrea
604947;1396644184;nubbins`;hmm
604948;1396644185;moiety;BingoBoingo: i think i have found a good domain
604949;1396644193;BingoBoingo;oh
604950;1396644201;moiety;ach weesht im spelling everything backwards today :D
604951;1396644222;moiety;BingoBoingo: felin.ae (i can add pampas cats this way)
604952;1396644269;nubbins`;;;google .ae tld
604953;1396644270;gribble;.ae - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ae>; IANA — .ae Domain Delegation Data: <http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/ae.html>; ae Domains - International Domain Registration: <http://www.101domain.com/ae.htm>
604954;1396644274;moiety;manul speak would just be "fuck you"
604955;1396644286;nubbins`;ah, UAE
604956;1396644295;moiety;yarp
604957;1396644312;pankkake;I want .æ!
604958;1396644317;moiety;some twat has all the manul.pallas cat domains and hasnt done anything with them for years
604959;1396644329;nubbins`;pankkake XD
604960;1396644335;moiety;pankkake: they are really cheap
604961;1396644348;nubbins`;where the fuck do all the rulers keep disappearing to around here?!
604962;1396644376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00096639 = 30.7312 BTC [+]
604963;1396644382;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: no, Catholicism is the only true religion
604964;1396644404;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr: http://www.atruechurch.info/catholicism.html
604965;1396644404;nubbins`;ah, my sides.
604966;1396644410;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/e6dc76047ffec4f107c5d9e99de80c14/tumblr_ml1px0eVbl1sn68hmo1_1280.jpg
604967;1396644416;nubbins`;THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION
604968;1396644432;nubbins`;"using a 5lb sledge is the only true way to smash your dick"
604969;1396644498;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05400011 = 0.27 BTC [-]
604970;1396644500;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: this page is of the devil, full of lies
604971;1396644559;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0540001 = 0.108 BTC [-]
604972;1396644584;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: shall I go through it lie by lie?
604973;1396644607;danielpbarron;yes, please
604974;1396644620;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05999986 = 0.24 BTC [+]
604975;1396644641;Luke-Jr;On the inside dust jacket of Pope John Paul's book, Crossing The Threshold Of Hope (copyright 1994, Alfred A. Knopf, Inc., New York), the Pope's message is, "Be not afraid!" <-- there was never any "Pope John Paul" in the Catholic Church
604976;1396644658;Luke-Jr;the Catholic is nonetheless following a "stranger" (i.e. Catholicism) and not Christ <-- Catholicism is Christ
604977;1396644678;Luke-Jr;Roman Catholicism is a false religion with deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons (1 Timothy 4:1-3), a false gospel, a false Jesus, idolatry, and damning lies. <-- false
604978;1396644692;thestringpuller;oh it's Luke-Jr have you been on holiday? :P
604979;1396644753;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr: http://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Threshold-Hope-Pope-John/dp/0679765611
604980;1396644757;mike_c;paging cmyers for a three way deathmatch
604981;1396644758;Luke-Jr;In this text that describes those who have departed from the faith and given heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, there are only two teachings given ("forbidding to marry" and "to abstain from foods") by which to identify the ones to whom this text applies. The Roman Catholic Church practices both identifying marks. <-- these two evils are named because they were already being taught by heretical sects; but they do not mean
604982;1396644759;Luke-Jr;what this webpage wants you to beleive they mean
604983;1396644782;Luke-Jr;the heretical sects Timothy was writing about, forbade marriage *completely*, etc
604984;1396644825;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr: "Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith" <-- written in future tense as in something that hadn't happened yet
604985;1396644835;Luke-Jr;In the official Catechism of the Catholic Church (Libreria Editrice Vaticana, copyright 1994, Ignatius Press, San Francisco, CA) on page 395 under #1580, speaking in the context of "priests" it states: <-- 1) there is no such approved catechism; 2) note the *context of priests*
604986;1396644953;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: He speaks of the Gnostics, the Marcionites, the Eneratites, the Manicheans, and other ancient heretics, who absolutely condemned marriage, and the use of all kind of meat; because they pretended that all flesh was from an evil principle. Whereas the church of God, so far from condemning marriage, holds it a holy sacrament; and forbids it to none but such as by vow have chosen the better part: and prohibits not the use of any
604987;1396644954;Luke-Jr;meats whatsoever in proper times and seasons; though she does not judge all kind of diet proper for days of fasting and penance.
604988;1396645020;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: furthermore, the Church's laws about abstinence from meat on certain days, goes back to the Apostles; they were already in place and Timothy practiced them himself
604989;1396645044;Luke-Jr;obviously he was not condemning the Church he was a bishop of
604990;1396645071;danielpbarron;penance 1. voluntary self-punishment inflicted as an outward expression of repentance for having done wrong.  2. a Christian sacrament in which a member of the Church confesses sins to a priest and is given absolution.
604991;1396645076;Luke-Jr;They deem Muslims as having salvation <-- this is not true
604992;1396645077;Duffer1;uh
604993;1396645088;mike_c;plus Jesus himself explicitly founded the catholic church with Peter as pope, so there's that.
604994;1396645099;Duffer1;lmao
604995;1396645102;danielpbarron;absolution: 1. formal release from guilt, obligation, or punishment.
604996;1396645108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00579997 = 0.3248 BTC [+] {3} 
604997;1396645149;Luke-Jr;Scripture nowhere teaches any such sacraments necessary for salvation. <-- Scripture does not teach; Christ appointed the Church to do that. Furthermore, Scripture *does* record Christ Himself mandating Baptism.
604998;1396645184;moiety;i thought gay people were forbidden to marry
604999;1396645194;mike_c;i'm waiting for one of you to forget to capitalize a name or pronoun here and go straight to hell.
605000;1396645199;Luke-Jr;moiety: gay people are condemned to Hell unless they repent
605001;1396645208;Duffer1;o.0
605002;1396645212;Duffer1;ecc 9:5
605003;1396645217;mike_c;luke must use firefox
605004;1396645233;moiety;ergo, also being forbidden from marriage, right?
605005;1396645242;cazalla;neobee is live
605006;1396645259;locksmith;cazalla it's not, it still says trading is halted on havelock
605007;1396645266;Luke-Jr;As should be seen from the above, the wafer and the wine is the Catholic Jesus. And this Catholic Jesus (a piece of bread and some wine) is worshipped. This is idolatry. <-- worshipping God Himself is not idolatry.
605008;1396645268;locksmith;or I'm seeing a cached page
605009;1396645287;cazalla;locksmith: refresh
605010;1396645293;Luke-Jr;moiety: even heathen can contract a natural marriage
605011;1396645304;mike_c;first trades, 1 satoshi!
605012;1396645309;locksmith;oh shit you're right
605013;1396645314;pLambert;wow, lots going for 1 satoshi
605014;1396645317;Namworld;lol, 1 satoshi
605015;1396645321;nubbins`;he's got ya there, the wafer and wine is supposed to be jesus' flesh and blood in another form
605016;1396645322;locksmith;NEOBEEQ what the fuck's the Q
605017;1396645328;nubbins`;transubstantiation, as if you needed another reason to lel
605018;1396645333;Duffer1;^
605019;1396645338;nubbins`;locksmith: the Q is whether you'll get any of your money back
605020;1396645339;mircea_popescu;it's short for Q.Q
605021;1396645339;rithm;Q is for Quark
605022;1396645352;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1642 @ 0.00008745 = 0.1436 BTC [+] {6} 
605023;1396645353;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 291 @ 0.00084015 = 0.2445 BTC [-]
605024;1396645354;mircea_popescu;which is the int'l sign for butttears.
605025;1396645358;*;moiety isn't sure what she has pressed but now typing with a black box for a cursor
605026;1396645365;nubbins`;"insert"
605027;1396645368;Luke-Jr;Scripture nowhere says what the Catholics teach. Nowhere does the Word of God say anything about the bread (or wine) becoming anything.  <-- nor is Scripture the authority; however, it DOES document Christ saying that we MUST eat His Flesh to be saved
605028;1396645370;nubbins`;moiety ^
605029;1396645370;mircea_popescu;!t h neobeeq
605030;1396645384;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEEQ] 1D: 0.00000001 / 2.191E-5 / 0.00010000 (14697 shares, 0.32204988 BTC), 7D: 0.00000001 / 2.191E-5 / 0.00010000 (14697 shares, 0.32204988 BTC), 30D: 0.00000001 / 0.0031977 / 0.00450000 (440226 shares, 1407.70958942 BTC)
605031;1396645384;locksmith;who's even buying this shit
605032;1396645384;moiety;epic thanks nubbins`
605033;1396645391;mircea_popescu;locksmith your local antitrust authority has been notified about your commercial attack practices.
605034;1396645396;mircea_popescu;expect to be extradited to romania.
605035;1396645409;Luke-Jr;moiety: of course, marriage is still always to someone of the opposite sex. so it doesn't necessarily make sense that a gay person *would* marry.
605036;1396645413;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3582 @ 0.00006394 = 0.229 BTC [-] {8} 
605037;1396645414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00579498 = 0.1738 BTC [-]
605038;1396645416;locksmith;lol what are you talking about mircea?
605039;1396645437;jurov;Oh yes, Loving God Father, in His infinite wisdom, created humanity and then condemned most of it to eternal suffering.
605040;1396645460;jurov;Makes perfect sense.
605041;1396645474;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2585 @ 0.00009999 = 0.2585 BTC [+] {12} 
605042;1396645475;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 159 @ 0.00084015 = 0.1336 BTC [-]
605043;1396645486;Luke-Jr;Catholicism is further entrenched in idolatry in the veneration of the saints. <-- the saints are not adored; there is no idolatry here either; furthermore, one cannot worship a saint without also worshipping God at the same time, since the saint's virtue all comes from God
605044;1396645492;Duffer1;i skimmed the logs but have been unable to determine what precipitated this asinine conversation
605045;1396645495;cazalla;locksmith: you can't talk down neobee you troll
605046;1396645500;Duffer1;why luke b trollin ?
605047;1396645523;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr: can you please cite scripture to back your claims
605048;1396645524;locksmith;cazalla watch me :)
605049;1396645533;locksmith;I actually know the people at neo
605050;1396645533;cazalla;locksmith: better get a lawyer son
605051;1396645535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1556 @ 0.00010704 = 0.1666 BTC [+] {16} 
605052;1396645537;Luke-Jr;Prayer is a form of worship. <-- but not all worship is reserved for God. this is where English-age heretics try to abuse the language
605053;1396645541;locksmith;*poor people
605054;1396645546;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: which ones do you question?
605055;1396645547;locksmith;unpaid employees
605056;1396645555;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr: all of them
605057;1396645556;Duffer1;saints not adored?! are you smoking crack, there's a thriving market for silver/gold trinkets of the various saints
605058;1396645590;cazalla;locksmith: lurk more, it was funny if you understand the context
605059;1396645596;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 13220 @ 0.00009981 = 1.3195 BTC [-] {13} 
605060;1396645597;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05893354 = 0.1768 BTC [-] {3} 
605061;1396645598;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59340035 = 1.7802 BTC [-] {2} 
605062;1396645599;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: keep in mind that the Catholic Church *produced* the Bible. so if you question the Church, there is no basis to accept its product either
605063;1396645605;stompysteve;so what does everything thing about neobee right now whats it worth
605064;1396645605;Duffer1;saying it's not idolatry does not negate the fact that it's idolatry
605065;1396645607;jurov;i can't adore my cock without also worshipping God at the same time by the same logic
605066;1396645616;Luke-Jr;Duffer1: it isn't.
605067;1396645622;Duffer1;you're an idiot
605068;1396645628;locksmith;cazalla thanks for the heads up
605069;1396645630;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr: there are examples in the Bible of God causes evil men to further good works
605070;1396645637;Namworld;Why are people even buying Neobee that high?
605071;1396645641;danielpbarron;causing*
605072;1396645642;Luke-Jr;idolatry: the worship of a picture or object as a god
605073;1396645651;mircea_popescu;locksmith just mocking teh forum doods.
605074;1396645656;locksmith;Namworld someone's being funny buying 10000
605075;1396645656;Luke-Jr;the saints are not worshipped as gods
605076;1396645658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3956 @ 0.0000999 = 0.3952 BTC [+] {3} 
605077;1396645659;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7794 @ 0.00096507 = 7.5218 BTC [-]
605078;1396645659;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00579499 = 0.1449 BTC [+]
605079;1396645667;mike_c;what a bloodbath..
605080;1396645685;locksmith;mircea_popescu I got that, just wasn't sure as to if you were referring to particular posts
605081;1396645695;Namworld;Like 1 satoshi, maybe. I'd buy the whole Neobee just for the lulz.
605082;1396645700;locksmith;couldn't read all that shit without getting a headache
605083;1396645708;mircea_popescu;stompysteve http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/
605084;1396645718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3056 @ 0.00012972 = 0.3964 BTC [+] {9} 
605085;1396645721;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr: can person who is not God forgive sins?
605086;1396645723;mircea_popescu;locksmith a that i have no idea.
605087;1396645738;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: not of themselves, no
605088;1396645744;stompysteve;and havelock down
605089;1396645746;stompysteve;lol
605090;1396645748;mircea_popescu;til jurov adores his cock.
605091;1396645757;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr: then what is the purpose of fasting as a penance?
605092;1396645757;mircea_popescu;lmao who had money on < 15 minutes ? was it mike_c ?
605093;1396645769;Namworld;Look, I bought out your whole "good business offer" for less than 1 BTC, fellow forum members.
605094;1396645780;mike_c;nah, wasn't me
605095;1396645781;locksmith;anyhooo people, for those thinking of buying, danny is with his trollface selling on the other side of the screen
605096;1396645789;mircea_popescu;!last neobee
605097;1396645789;assbot;You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
605098;1396645791;Namworld;That's probably more than it's worth, but eh
605099;1396645809;moiety;neo died before i even checked? lol
605100;1396645809;danielpbarron;you forgot the 'Q'
605101;1396645816;mircea_popescu;i wanted the old price.
605102;1396645817;Namworld;It proves a point?
605103;1396645817;JWU42;forgot all about this channel
605104;1396645825;mircea_popescu;JWU42 heretiq.
605105;1396645826;moiety;lolol @ assbot
605106;1396645832;*;JWU42 chuckles
605107;1396645835;rithm;^5 JWU42
605108;1396645845;locksmith;JWU42 some never knew of this channel don't want to point  to names -----> cryptocyprus
605109;1396645854;kakobrekla;!l h neobee
605110;1396645854;assbot;Last trade for NEOBEE on HAVELOCK was at 0.00187956 BTC [-]
605111;1396645857;kakobrekla;!l h neobeeq
605112;1396645857;assbot;Last trade for NEOBEEQ on HAVELOCK was at 0.00012972 BTC [+]
605113;1396645866;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: twofold: 1) to make amends to God; 2) to give up legitimate pleasure, as practice for subjecting our bodies to our will so that when we are tempted to do evil, we can resist it better
605114;1396645868;mircea_popescu;awww, all this fud.
605115;1396645877;JWU42;I ahve been away from this for so long I missed the whole weex graet.load neo.bee crap
605116;1396645886;mircea_popescu;NewBie is a great copropany run by a competent cacao
605117;1396645886;JWU42;loan*
605118;1396645890;mircea_popescu;or however you spell these things
605119;1396645910;mircea_popescu;JWU42 that's about 10mb worth of logs to keep you entertained
605120;1396645933;mgio;damn the market cap on havelock is just 265 btc, ima buy up the whole company
605121;1396645934;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr: amends 1. reparation or compensation.
605122;1396645937;jborkl;wasnt neobee .06 or something last week?
605123;1396645941;JWU42;I am sure there is more than enough to keep me busy
605124;1396645942;mike_c;;;calc (187956 - 12972) / 187956
605125;1396645942;gribble;0.930983847283
605126;1396645950;locksmith;some fud be good fud, i.e., I got fud that buying this shit gonna have a bad time
605127;1396645954;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr: a believer owes fasting to God? will they be damned if they don't?
605128;1396645964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05500001 = 0.11 BTC [-]
605129;1396645970;mircea_popescu;this danielpbarron Luke-Jr thing looks like twu wuv.
605130;1396645985;*;JWU42 barfs
605131;1396645994;stompysteve;neobee was .006 a month ago or so
605132;1396646004;locksmith;I got an address with 0.0010btc, gonna buy me some stock
605133;1396646009;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: by sinning, we offend God and ought to make amends; whether one is damned is based solely on his being on good terms with God (ie, not in a state of mortal sin)
605134;1396646023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3058 @ 0.000101 = 0.3089 BTC [-] {11} 
605135;1396646028;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr: the only "amends" is repenting
605136;1396646034;JWU42;so basically I am in deep sh*t then Luke-Jr ;)
605137;1396646043;jurov;Luke-Jr: you forget one must be baptized
605138;1396646045;jborkl;ah i see, so only a 99%, not bad not bad
605139;1396646049;jborkl;loss
605140;1396646049;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: repenting is a prerequisite to making amends, it isn't amends in itself
605141;1396646058;jurov;unbatized souls go straight to dumper
605142;1396646059;Luke-Jr;jurov: no, that's included
605143;1396646078;JWU42;I did get baptized - so i have that going for me
605144;1396646081;Luke-Jr;jurov: we are born enemies of God, in a state of mortal sin
605145;1396646084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 342 @ 0.00084015 = 0.2873 BTC [-]
605146;1396646085;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3550 @ 0.00010667 = 0.3787 BTC [+] {5} 
605147;1396646090;mike_c;that's not entirely true jurov.  unbaptized babies dont go to hell
605148;1396646095;Luke-Jr;mike_c: yes they do
605149;1396646102;mike_c;no, they don't.  god told me
605150;1396646103;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1770948/plain/)
605151;1396646103;kakobrekla;!b 2
605152;1396646109;JWU42;and there goes the looney alarm
605153;1396646109;Luke-Jr;mike_c: your "god" is a demon then
605154;1396646112;mircea_popescu;owned kakobrekla :D
605155;1396646115;Duffer1;i know right kako lol
605156;1396646125;kakobrekla;bleh
605157;1396646133;jurov;mike_c: you were probably bapized as adult. they are allowed to tell adults lies such as this to get them into the church
605158;1396646133;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr: is the amends required?
605159;1396646144;mike_c;http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/2007-04-20-popelimbo_N.htm
605160;1396646145;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1224 @ 0.00010941 = 0.1339 BTC [+] {8} 
605161;1396646148;mircea_popescu;do demons have buttsex with dead babies then ?
605162;1396646149;jurov;but me and luke_jr had proper catholic upbringing
605163;1396646166;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: if you don't make amends, it's questionable whether you were serious about repentence, at least.
605164;1396646169;mike_c;i have 10 years of catholic school.  bring it.
605165;1396646175;jborkl;yeah, http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/religion/2007-04-20-popelimbo_N.htm
605166;1396646182;jborkl;They are thinking about it
605167;1396646190;JWU42;It's a cult I tell you
605168;1396646198;mircea_popescu;mike_c nowai ?!
605169;1396646202;mike_c;yeswai
605170;1396646205;Luke-Jr;jurov: Catholics are not allowed to lie for any reason.
605171;1396646207;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 6199 @ 0.00011 = 0.6819 BTC [+] {6} 
605172;1396646220;mod6;not even about bfl?
605173;1396646225;mircea_popescu;lmao this neobbq shit is so lulzy
605174;1396646226;JWU42;!b3
605175;1396646226;jurov;mike_c: so what the babies do with the mortal sin? do tell
605176;1396646234;JWU42;grrr
605177;1396646239;JWU42;that was too good
605178;1396646249;jurov;Luke-Jr: they are, if they are convinced it's truth
605179;1396646258;mike_c;"Baptism does not exist to wipe away the "stain" of original sin, but to initiate one into the Church,"
605180;1396646260;JWU42;mod6: you get a gold star for that
605181;1396646262;Luke-Jr;jurov: it's not a lie, if you believe it yourself.
605182;1396646267;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2856 @ 0.00011287 = 0.3224 BTC [+] {12} 
605183;1396646273;jurov;^ in other words.
605184;1396646276;Luke-Jr;jurov: furthermore, someone who believes that unbaptised babies *don't* go to Hell, is not a Catholic
605185;1396646285;mike_c;hah, incorrect
605186;1396646293;mike_c;i don't believe it, i was baptized, i am a catholic
605187;1396646303;Luke-Jr;mike_c: saying so doesn't make it true
605188;1396646305;mike_c;as a matter of fact i don't believe any of this crap and am still a catholic
605189;1396646308;mike_c;the church says it
605190;1396646311;kakobrekla;at this rate we will do luke-jr.bash.bitcoin-assets.com
605191;1396646315;Luke-Jr;mike_c: to be Catholic, you need to believe everything the Church teaches, by definition
605192;1396646323;Luke-Jr;if you deny any doctrine, you are by definition NOT Catholic
605193;1396646323;mike_c;no, you don't. where do you get this crap?
605194;1396646328;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2247 @ 0.00011381 = 0.2557 BTC [+] {7} 
605195;1396646330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00096507 = 13.2215 BTC [-]
605196;1396646331;mike_c;incorrect. i was baptized, confirmed.
605197;1396646337;mike_c;i'm catholic, like it or not.
605198;1396646342;Luke-Jr;mike_c: that means you are *accountable* for being Catholic
605199;1396646349;Luke-Jr;and will be judged as one who should know better
605200;1396646360;jurov;mike_c they have lied to you in the school
605201;1396646371;JWU42;Is Luke-Jr really autistic?
605202;1396646374;Duffer1;so... pedastry is a catholic doctrine else those priests would have been excomunicated
605203;1396646376;Duffer1;got it
605204;1396646377;Luke-Jr;mike_c: but if you deny doctrine, you are a damned heretic until you repent
605205;1396646379;jborkl;did any priests touch you as a little boy? is'nt that requirment of being Catholic
605206;1396646389;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 8584 @ 0.00010414 = 0.8939 BTC [-] {12} 
605207;1396646392;Luke-Jr;jborkl: troll
605208;1396646392;locksmith;I was baptized orthodox, anyone else here ortho?? join the cool club we're the men in black
605209;1396646393;mike_c;i am a damned heretic catholic.  i have not been ex-communicated.
605210;1396646398;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr: what is "doctrine?"
605211;1396646407;Luke-Jr;mike_c: heretics leave the Church of their own free will
605212;1396646410;jurov;danielpbarron: the catechism
605213;1396646412;Luke-Jr;mike_c: there is no need for excommunication
605214;1396646420;jborkl;That is a legit question, we do not have many Catholis here
605215;1396646421;mike_c;i'm not leaving! you can't make me either.  sorry, you're stuck with me.
605216;1396646423;danielpbarron;jurov: so, not the Bible?
605217;1396646425;jborkl;c
605218;1396646425;JWU42;and now I understand why I am not in here
605219;1396646430;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: any teaching of the Church (on matters of faith or moralS)
605220;1396646434;JWU42;that was enough for another 6 momnths
605221;1396646443;kakobrekla;it wasnt like that before you came in
605222;1396646445;Luke-Jr;mike_c: the act of denying doctrine, is in itself, one by which you have left
605223;1396646446;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr: what is "the Church"
605224;1396646446;kakobrekla;:D
605225;1396646457;mircea_popescu;<JWU42> Is Luke-Jr really autistic? << no, he's just right.
605226;1396646459;jurov;danielpbarron: not. there is "biblical thelogy" and there is "Tradition of Catholic Church"
605227;1396646461;mircea_popescu;there's a difference.
605228;1396646464;Luke-Jr;mike_c: it's like the act of killing yourself, you cease to be alive
605229;1396646466;jurov;they'e distinc things
605230;1396646478;danielpbarron;jurov: does the tradition change over time?
605231;1396646478;mike_c;i was even an altar boy. i'm more catholic than you are.
605232;1396646487;mircea_popescu;wait, you were an ALTAR BOY ?
605233;1396646492;mike_c;great tips.
605234;1396646500;mircea_popescu;holy shit these exist.
605235;1396646501;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: no, nor is there a real distinction
605236;1396646505;mircea_popescu;i thought it's just an urban legend.
605237;1396646505;jurov;danielpbarron: ofc it does. but it's still infallible in every moment
605238;1396646508;mike_c;made a killing for funerals.
605239;1396646511;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.056 = 0.112 BTC [+]
605240;1396646512;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1367 @ 0.00010245 = 0.14 BTC [-] {7} 
605241;1396646526;Luke-Jr;Catholicism (Scripture + Tradition) does not change, ever.
605242;1396646533;danielpbarron;jurov: can you demonstrate any miracles to prove that the alteration in tradition is legitimately from God?
605243;1396646534;locksmith;hmm so have the people trading read any news lately?
605244;1396646551;jborkl;They have a Latin Pope now, what about that ???
605245;1396646566;jurov;danielpbarron requesting miracles shows tongue of the Evil
605246;1396646573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1323 @ 0.00010134 = 0.1341 BTC [-] {13} 
605247;1396646590;mike_c;we're capitalizing Evil now too? :D
605248;1396646633;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58234142 = 1.1647 BTC [-] {2} 
605249;1396646645;jurov;that was merely for you to imagine dramatic whisper
605250;1396646655;danielpbarron;jurov: according to whom?
605251;1396646663;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: anyhow, to finish off with this page: Catholicism *does* condemn homosexuals and muslims; even the Apotles baptised infants, as is necessary for their salvation; Christ's grace *is* sufficient to completely cleanse us of sin, but only if we make good use of it - otherwise we will need purgatory to deal with what we have been unwilling to change about our evilness
605252;1396646712;jurov;danielpbarron: Matthew 4,1-11
605253;1396646716;Luke-Jr;jurov: danielpbarron is absolutely right to demand miracles to testify to shepherds who cannot trace their authority to the Apostles
605254;1396646735;Luke-Jr;although even with miracles, one cannot justify changing doctrine
605255;1396646776;danielpbarron;Luke-Jr: is it a fair assessment to state that Catholicism as you describe it is not in accordance with the Bible? -- or, Catholicism is not a religion based on the Bible but instead on "the Church" which in this context refers specifically to an organization in Europe?
605256;1396646811;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: Catholicism is based on Christ's teachings, not the Bible. the Church is also not "in Europe", but universal.
605257;1396646835;Luke-Jr;the Bible is one of many written promulgations of the Church, in its course of doing its duty to teach the world
605258;1396646835;Mats_cd03;oh look its religion hour
605259;1396646841;Mats_cd03;how dull
605260;1396646876;jurov;lol "bible is promulgation of church" this is new for me
605261;1396646895;Mats_cd03;this is true
605262;1396646915;mike_c;the true word of God was handed down to Joseph Smith on some golden tupperware in 1822
605263;1396646931;Mats_cd03;was there anything in it
605264;1396646942;Luke-Jr;mike_c: that was a demon
605265;1396646944;jurov;wasn't that xenu?
605266;1396646945;mike_c;do not question the tupperware
605267;1396646953;Mats_cd03;chili mac and some religious documents
605268;1396646955;Luke-Jr;Mats_cd03: mike_c is referring to Mormonism
605269;1396646963;Luke-Jr;(or Moronism, if you prefer)
605270;1396646970;Mats_cd03;yes im making a joke
605271;1396646979;mike_c;for which you will go to hell
605272;1396646989;stompysteve;god isnt real
605273;1396646995;mircea_popescu;well that was fun but time for the ignores.
605274;1396646996;BingoBoingo;The last words of Jesus were "Fuck you" before he stumbled in front of a Tractor Trailer on I-70 outside Fairmont City
605275;1396647005;jurov;I, as the arm of Holy Church, hereby promulgate holy writings of L.Ron Hubbard as True Word of God
605276;1396647087;jurov;while my orger arm being busy with worship
605277;1396647090;jurov;*other
605278;1396647126;Luke-Jr;danielpbarron: here is a real approved catechism: http://www.baltimore-catechism.com/
605279;1396647157;ThickAsThieves;<mircea_popescu> lmao this neobbq shit is so lulzy  /// so fuckin surreal
605280;1396647167;mircea_popescu;i was expecting moar trades.
605281;1396647169;ThickAsThieves;i cant even forumlate a thought
605282;1396647169;mircea_popescu;that was it ? done ?
605283;1396647173;mircea_popescu;!t h neobeeq
605284;1396647174;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEEQ] 1D: 0.00000001 / 7.937E-5 / 0.00020000 (93554 shares, 7.42521178 BTC), 7D: 0.00000001 / 7.937E-5 / 0.00020000 (93554 shares, 7.42521178 BTC), 30D: 0.00000001 / 0.00266159 / 0.00450000 (494965 shares, 1317.39453993 BTC)
605285;1396647182;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 22882 @ 0.00005223 = 1.1951 BTC [-] {8} 
605286;1396647184;Duffer1;o.0
605287;1396647186;mircea_popescu;7.937E-5 lol that sounds right
605288;1396647203;locksmith;mircea_popescu so are they trading for the lulz? cos I don't see any other reason
605289;1396647216;mircea_popescu;locksmith prolly.
605290;1396647244;ThickAsThieves;"Its too cheap for me not to buy, hell i dont even care if i lose!"
605291;1396647248;mircea_popescu;maybe a few people are trading to acquire a standing to sue.
605292;1396647258;mike_c;buy side is picking up cheap lotto tickets.  sell side doesn't want to have to see those shares on their balance sheet anymore.
605293;1396647268;mircea_popescu;sounds about right.
605294;1396647288;BingoBoingo;So... What does NeoBBQ mean for the NeoBee BitBet
605295;1396647288;psterryl;someone bought 10k shares at 1 satoshi
605296;1396647301;psterryl;if they then flipped them at 0.00012
605297;1396647302;jurov;BingoBoingo: it's no longer neobee
605298;1396647311;jurov;just an undead something
605299;1396647317;psterryl;that over 1mil% profit
605300;1396647322;psterryl;*that's
605301;1396647332;BingoBoingo;jurov: Seems to make sense
605302;1396647353;ThickAsThieves;reverse gemming?
605303;1396647366;ThickAsThieves;gnimmeg
605304;1396647418;stompysteve;well site down and last price was like .00000000 so i guess GG
605305;1396647431;stompysteve;for now
605306;1396647480;kakobrekla;price got so low it was hard to reach the 0.1 btc sum trading vol per minute to post out trades here so we missed the 'action'
605307;1396647500;mircea_popescu;course the other explanation is, officers buying to reduce their legal exposure.
605308;1396647512;mircea_popescu;this is fraudulent in and of itself, but clueless noobs a la danny prolly dunno about it.
605309;1396647536;mircea_popescu;so if he left with as much as 50 btc, spending that to buy shares for 1% of par may seem to him a good use of funds
605310;1396647548;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2117 @ 0.00005014 = 0.1061 BTC [-] {8} 
605311;1396647630;mircea_popescu;obviously if the asset was delisted at the company's request
605312;1396647639;mircea_popescu;it'd stabd to reason it was also relisted in the same manner.
605313;1396647662;mike_c;havelock said they relisted it because they haven't heard anything from neobee.
605314;1396647667;mike_c;which seemed like an odd reason.
605315;1396647687;locksmith;imo havelock's full of shit
605316;1396647847;stompysteve;its also odd they didnt give like 24 hour notice or anything
605317;1396647877;mircea_popescu;a knot of innovative business practices.
605318;1396648018;jborkl;NEOBEEQ฿0.0001 Market cap ฿132
605319;1396648023;jborkl;heh
605320;1396648037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00096639 = 15.5589 BTC [+]
605321;1396648072;[KS];mircea_popescu: now I'm officially calling scammers on Havelock.
605322;1396648076;[KS];hi
605323;1396648077;BingoBoingo;Havelock buying all of the shares to get legal standing to sue?
605324;1396648153;locksmith;fud
605325;1396648162;[KS];WTF does Havelock to do with buyg NB shares?
605326;1396648162;jborkl;https://docs.google.com/document/d/1khGADbJeu0efCNZ13lnz8BucG7PfS5Cl9lBZ1sncY-4/edit
605327;1396648163;ozbot;Prospectus - V2.0 - Main Body - Google Drive
605328;1396648181;jborkl;March 17th 2014
605329;1396648205;mircea_popescu;ello.
605330;1396648240;[KS];seriously, WTF is wrong with these ppl. his is grounds for suiing them.
605331;1396648242;[KS];On March 28, 2014 Havelock Investments halted trading of the NEOBEE Fund; Havelock Investments has yet to receive any formal information in regards to the questionable trading activity on the LMB share platform website. We have not received any formal information on the current situation at LMB Holdings. Due to those factors we have decided that the unit holders on the NEOBEE Fund should no longer be suspended from trading their units.
605332;1396648242;[KS];The Fund will now be designated as NEOBEEQ to reflect the uncertainty of the future of LMB Holdings – NEO BEE Ltd. Financial information on the status of the company has not been released. The units of this Fund will continue to trade even if the company will file for bankruptcy. We will continue to update you if any information is provided to us.
605333;1396648242;[KS];Trading will resume today at 5:00 PM EST
605334;1396648242;[KS];Thank you for investing with Havelock Investments!
605335;1396648281;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.05999984 = 1.08 BTC [+]
605336;1396648285;[KS];So, you don't have news and thus promptly unilateraly decide to re-list an asset? really?
605337;1396648351;jurov;paranormal activity, i say.
605338;1396648399;jurov;i thought it was aliens, but it's actually zombies
605339;1396648422;locksmith;I'm telling you panama's smoking bad grass
605340;1396648441;BingoBoingo;NeoBeeQ seems to be some sort of derivative of the now non-existent NeoBee of a like not seen since pirate debt was securitized
605341;1396648492;locksmith;they're saying it's neobeeQuestionable, thus the Q
605342;1396648493;mircea_popescu;this is what you get when you let forum "professionals" do things.
605343;1396648505;mike_c;goxbux got traded for a little while.
605344;1396648530;[KS];NEOBEEQ doesn't exist. If you had NEOBEE shares, Haelock has stolen them from you and turned them into HavelockCOins, a Goxcoin derivative.
605345;1396648536;jborkl;Who was it in bitcoin GLBSE that came up with a. holds b. and b holbs c. and c. holds a. and b. so there is no risk
605346;1396648601;BingoBoingo;jborkl: Usagi?
605347;1396648612;jborkl;ah yes, thank you
605348;1396648622;jborkl;should have been obvious
605349;1396648624;[KS];A cousin of DAnk?
605350;1396648727;BingoBoingo;No, Dank just took Bitcoins in exchange for word salad
605351;1396648728;locksmith;I need to know what these people are buying if not thin air. neobee/danny do not have any BTC left
605352;1396648735;Shakespeare;http://oig.state.gov/documents/organization/224580.pdf
605353;1396648747;Shakespeare;"In sum, over the past 6 years, our audit work has uncovered significant contract file
605354;1396648747;Shakespeare;management deficiencies in Department contracts/task orders with a total value of more
605355;1396648747;Shakespeare;than $6 billion. "
605356;1396648762;cazalla;locksmith: likely these types of people think it's a good time to do some dollar cost averaging http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/227tng/why_im_holding_onto_neobee/
605357;1396648781;mircea_popescu;jborkl usagi.
605358;1396648793;mircea_popescu;word salad roflmao.
605359;1396648795;mircea_popescu;aptly put.
605360;1396648816;[KS];BingoBoingo: looks the same to me.
605361;1396648840;mircea_popescu;ahahaha cazalla drop them a link to teh http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/
605362;1396648856;locksmith;lol
605363;1396648874;cazalla;can't, deleted my reddit account
605364;1396648896;mike_c;kakobrekla: -trades is unfiltered, right? small trades get through?
605365;1396648910;mrstickball;so how do you guys see the future of coin-based assets?
605366;1396648924;mrstickball;I am trying to make sense of it all, given so many bad actors and skeevy exchanges
605367;1396648937;mircea_popescu;mrstickball pls to read logs ty.
605368;1396648975;Shakespeare;the Bitcoin Fundnation says "we’ve been lazy and undisciplined about getting updates written in the face of so much possible content. Jon Matonis is tackling this"
605369;1396648996;Shakespeare;'’ve put forward a challenge to the team: “Say a lot more.�'
605370;1396649002;Shakespeare;lol
605371;1396649006;Shakespeare;more words!
605372;1396649012;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1700 @ 0.0000992 = 0.1686 BTC [+] {11} 
605373;1396649013;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0614 = 0.1842 BTC [+]
605374;1396649015;mrstickball;mircea_popescu: which logs, exactly
605375;1396649019;Shakespeare;"They’ve risen to the challenge, and have as a first response opened up read access to our member forums to the public. "
605376;1396649021;Shakespeare;share the words!
605377;1396649029;locksmith;it's ok just dropped the link on reddit myself
605378;1396649074;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0619 = 0.1238 BTC [+]
605379;1396649085;mircea_popescu;;;topic
605380;1396649085;gribble;http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
605381;1396649109;Shakespeare;"Finally, I’ve asked Jon Matonis to update you on the details of operations and finances of the Foundation. Expect that soon."
605382;1396649118;Shakespeare;Soon tm
605383;1396649119;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare didn't they kick matonis out at some point because he wanted to be on the press contacts list or something ?
605384;1396649133;Shakespeare;the rumors of his death were exaggerated
605385;1396649134;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 11058 @ 0.00008781 = 0.971 BTC [-] {12} 
605386;1396649135;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.061999 = 0.124 BTC [+] {2} 
605387;1396649139;mircea_popescu;lmao
605388;1396649197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61698999 BTC [+]
605389;1396649256;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 17171 @ 0.00009997 = 1.7166 BTC [+] {7} 
605390;1396649257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0381 = 0.2286 BTC [+]
605391;1396649375;kakobrekla;mike_c  yes
605392;1396649377;Shakespeare;"The company recently put up a page for "Amazon Dash," a shopping accessory"
605393;1396649385;mike_c;thx
605394;1396649390;Shakespeare;it's a barcode scanner and mic
605395;1396649397;Shakespeare;buy things so you can buy things!
605396;1396649439;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0381 = 0.2667 BTC [+]
605397;1396649448;Shakespeare;http://pando.com/2014/04/04/revealed-rahm-emanuel-cuts-public-pensions-diverts-money-to-benefit-campaign-donors/
605398;1396649448;ozbot;Revealed: Rahm Emanuel cuts public pensions, diverts money to benefit campaign donors | PandoDaily
605399;1396649459;mircea_popescu;"I believe the community demand is great enough to carry this idea onward, and I look forward to their success."
605400;1396649461;mircea_popescu;bwahahahaha
605401;1396649471;mircea_popescu;who sold all these idiots on "community" ?
605402;1396649476;mircea_popescu;masterful job.
605403;1396649517;stompysteve;whats the number in the {} mean
605404;1396649533;psterryl;how many individual trades there were
605405;1396649537;stompysteve;thanks
605406;1396649555;mircea_popescu;how many trades were collated into the line
605407;1396649683;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 900 @ 0.00011898 = 0.1071 BTC [+] {3} 
605408;1396649744;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05999985 = 0.24 BTC [+]
605409;1396650049;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 20 @ 0.01500003 = 0.3 BTC [-] {4} 
605410;1396650050;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1900 @ 0.00014879 = 0.2827 BTC [+] {3} 
605411;1396650110;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2100 @ 0.00013 = 0.273 BTC [-] {3} 
605412;1396650137;mircea_popescu;http://iang.org/papers/triple_entry.html
605413;1396650137;ozbot;Triple Entry Accounting
605414;1396650143;mircea_popescu;this is really an excellent write-up.
605415;1396650154;mircea_popescu;should be in the wiki imo, either as-is or mildly rewritten
605416;1396650157;asciilifeform;http://www.mainlesson.com/display.php?author=lang&book=red&story=voice
605417;1396650157;mircea_popescu;prolly as-is with credit
605418;1396650157;ozbot;The Baldwin Project: The Red Fairy Book by Andrew Lang
605419;1396650161;asciilifeform;relevant to... things.
605420;1396650232;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1009 @ 0.00014869 = 0.15 BTC [-] {4} 
605421;1396650236;Duffer1;luke-jr still around?
605422;1396650355;stompysteve;lol whoever got those 10k shares at .000000000000001 is gonna have some fun with neobee over the next lil while
605423;1396650381;jadne;heh
605424;1396650415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2600 @ 0.00014878 = 0.3868 BTC [-] {3} 
605425;1396650469;Shakespeare;it is added mp http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/finance
605426;1396650477;mircea_popescu;cool!
605427;1396650649;tg2;http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=262175399&m=262186039
605428;1396650649;ozbot;NPR Media Player
605429;1396650649;tg2;lol
605430;1396650684;tg2;teen birth rates drop 5.9% because of "16 and pregnant" lol
605431;1396650796;midnightmagic;education strikes again
605432;1396650844;tg2;fear education
605433;1396650851;midnightmagic;realism education
605434;1396650904;jurov;wow that triple entry... looks like something i wrestled with and reimplemented badly
605435;1396650965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00013 = 0.13 BTC [-]
605436;1396651025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 980 @ 0.00012499 = 0.1225 BTC [-] {5} 
605437;1396651148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4817 @ 0.00096678 = 4.657 BTC [+] {2} 
605438;1396651355;mircea_popescu;jurov >D
605439;1396651391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00096802 = 18.9248 BTC [+] {2} 
605440;1396651424;cmyers;wow, epic scrollback history.  It's like watching a star wars versus star trek argument.
605441;1396651443;cmyers;"Everyone knows the death star would *totally* destroy the enterprise because the technical manual says so!"
605442;1396651459;cmyers;"Clearly my intepretation is right!"
605443;1396651464;truffles;lol nerds
605444;1396651487;cmyers;"But george lucas PRODUCED the technical manual, he is biased, lolz"
605445;1396651757;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.01999992 = 0.28 BTC [+] {3} 
605446;1396651812;jurov;catholic nerdery? onoes
605447;1396651846;jurov;makes me explicit :(
605448;1396651873;truffles;jurov atheist?
605449;1396651886;jurov;no, catholic raised fag
605450;1396651894;truffles;umk
605451;1396651906;truffles;u couldve changed since?
605452;1396651929;jurov;you can't really change. it sticks with you
605453;1396651945;Mats_cd03;do you feel robbed
605454;1396651960;jurov;they are really deeply ingrained. both catholicism and homosexuality
605455;1396651967;truffles;heh
605456;1396652011;jurov;Mats_cd03: i don
605457;1396652022;jurov;'t have basis for comparison
605458;1396652057;bounce;http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/03/hey-parents-leave-those-kids-alone/358631/
605459;1396652057;ozbot;The Overprotected Kid - The Atlantic
605460;1396652063;jurov;maybe other people are robbed because then they can't understand zealotry, who knows
605461;1396652082;truffles;were u touched ?
605462;1396652101;jurov;no, why?
605463;1396652121;truffles;seems a thing they do..
605464;1396652150;jurov;everyone does
605465;1396652157;jurov;all the time
605466;1396652174;truffles;well i agree its tough to shake off the religious stuff
605467;1396652198;truffles;i find some value in some of it though
605468;1396652203;Mats_cd03;i feel robbed
605469;1396652245;Mats_cd03;indoctrinated with garbage
605470;1396652285;truffles;it could be worse
605471;1396652312;mircea_popescu;so i'm the largest crafter in rift by such a wide margin that the next two people are smaller than me combined :D
605472;1396652363;mircea_popescu;i'd guess there's between 10 and 20ish people working 40 hour weeks at feeding my vast industrial complex with raw materials.
605473;1396652368;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0381 = 0.381 BTC [+]
605474;1396652370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05999996 = 0.48 BTC [+] {2} 
605475;1396652478;truffles;good for u
605476;1396652482;khersonus;can you make money off of that somehow?
605477;1396652489;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58010002 BTC [-]
605478;1396652550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58010001 BTC [-]
605479;1396652589;mircea_popescu;khersonus i guess you could.
605480;1396652611;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4800 @ 0.00010809 = 0.5188 BTC [-] {7} 
605481;1396652838;khersonus;so, btc is not the only "game currency" you have found success in
605482;1396652853;khersonus;I'm still not sure that argument would hold up in court...
605483;1396652941;mircea_popescu;hehe, no.
605484;1396653018;cazalla;surely there are only 5 people left playing rift? :P
605485;1396653068;mircea_popescu;there's ~1k just in the bitcoin guild.
605486;1396653083;mircea_popescu;this is the smaller shard. there's 2 larger ones, plus a few smaller ones
605487;1396653092;mircea_popescu;(the marketplace is shared tho)
605488;1396653105;cazalla;i bought it when it came out, didn't really give it longer than a week though
605489;1396653134;cazalla;same deal with swtor, interesting how they both went f2p
605490;1396653193;mircea_popescu;i actually paid them for 6 months.
605491;1396653377;cazalla;hopefully EQN is a great game, have not sunk much time into mmorpgs since wow/eq days
605492;1396653404;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1254 @ 0.00009699 = 0.1216 BTC [-] {3} 
605493;1396653625;mircea_popescu;i didn't like either.
605494;1396653633;mircea_popescu;was in closed beta of both, didn't play past it
605495;1396653643;cazalla;what didn't you like about EQ?
605496;1396653723;cazalla;mcquad is making yet another mmorpg, funded this time by kickstarter, i'm sure it will end just like vanguard though
605497;1396653730;cazalla;mcquaid even
605498;1396653970;mircea_popescu;i dont even remember.
605499;1396653974;mircea_popescu;dumbass crafting for sure.
605500;1396654112;matt_boyd123;Still haven't got round to playing Rift :(
605501;1396654125;matt_boyd123;Was playing LoL for way too long.
605502;1396654211;cazalla;what do you play matt?
605503;1396654230;matthew_boyd;Like in general or?
605504;1396654245;cazalla;in LoL
605505;1396654251;matthew_boyd;Oh, I play Riven :)
605506;1396654260;matthew_boyd;I love that champion.
605507;1396654272;cazalla;i like leona for sup
605508;1396654287;matthew_boyd;Yea, for sure.
605509;1396654315;matthew_boyd;http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/51811207#matches -- my match history. I had to quit, but before I did, I had an 18 win streak.
605510;1396654325;ozbot;MidRivenEUW - Europe West - Summoners - League of Legends
605511;1396654461;cazalla;http://www.lolking.net/summoner/oce/302360 but i have not played in a while
605512;1396654504;matthew_boyd;Nice man!
605513;1396654519;matthew_boyd;I haven't been in this chat for like, a year?
605514;1396654524;matthew_boyd;Fuck, haha.
605515;1396654576;cazalla;lol not really, i was a shitkunt but i don't have the time to dedicate to it
605516;1396654603;matthew_boyd;Haha, oh well, it's only a game, then again. :)
605517;1396654604;cazalla;to be 16 again and have 24/7
605518;1396654621;matthew_boyd;Haha, I am 16, however, I do not have that sort of time. :P
605519;1396654628;matthew_boyd;I have about 1 hour to myself a day.
605520;1396654668;cazalla;sounds like you make better use of it
605521;1396654689;matthew_boyd;Haha.
605522;1396654813;matthew_boyd;Anyway, it's late here, and I have to revise tomorrow.
605523;1396654818;matthew_boyd;Talk to you later, cazalla. :)
605524;1396654824;cazalla;ttyl
605525;1396654828;matthew_boyd;o/
605526;1396655112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 10589 @ 0.00009999 = 1.0588 BTC [+] {2} 
605527;1396655235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.0009659 = 14.9232 BTC [-]
605528;1396655405;Luke-Jr;Duffer1: ?
605529;1396655429;Duffer1;Luke-Jr I called you an idiot earlier, I'm sorry
605530;1396655448;Duffer1;just wanted to apologize
605531;1396655457;Luke-Jr;np
605532;1396655506;Luke-Jr;Duffer1: are you still confused about idolatry?
605533;1396655526;Duffer1;lol i am not at all interested in restarting that conversation
605534;1396655546;Luke-Jr;:P
605535;1396655932;mike_c;February was JD's lowest ever monthly wagered volume.  Until March when it dropped another 40%.
605536;1396656035;mike_c;new chart: http://www.btcalpha.com/income/#justdice
605537;1396656060;mike_c;and for those sans javascript: http://i.imgur.com/6zFGjFP.png
605538;1396656088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29650 @ 0.0009659 = 28.6389 BTC [-]
605539;1396656146;kakobrekla;nice work mike_c
605540;1396656183;mike_c;thx. hopefully not a good btc investment headed for the crapper.
605541;1396656194;mike_c;maybe people are bored of rolling dice.
605542;1396656218;kakobrekla;or just lost it all already
605543;1396656264;cazalla;i thought dooglus would've run with the coins by now
605544;1396656277;mike_c;dooglus seems like a very standup guy.
605545;1396656301;cazalla;yeah he does
605546;1396656332;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0599 = 0.1797 BTC [-]
605547;1396656475;bounce;``Two other exchanges hit by the same problem, Bitstamp Ltd. of Slovenia and BTC-e of Bulgaria, resumed normal trading after working out a fix with software coders coordinated by the Bitcoin Foundation.'' (wsj) -- I don't recall the bitcoin foundation having much to do with it. case of inserting yourself for marketeering purposes?
605548;1396656744;mircea_popescu;mike_c interesting stuff
605549;1396656760;mircea_popescu;!jd
605550;1396656761;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 15388 BTC profit, 32.0k BTC invested, 976.46 mio bets, 5.13 mio BTC wagered
605551;1396656767;mike_c;not sure what to make of it.
605552;1396656780;mircea_popescu;sdice showed the exact same hump pattern over its lifetime
605553;1396656784;mircea_popescu;novelty effect maybe ?
605554;1396656828;mike_c;yeah, could be.  it's just not interesting enough to hold people's attention.  customer churn is higher than new customer acquisition.
605555;1396656846;cazalla;how does doge-dice compare?
605556;1396656848;mircea_popescu;bounce pretty much
605557;1396656858;mircea_popescu;"let's pretend like we matter by pretending like we matter."
605558;1396656891;mircea_popescu;mike_c what boggles my mind is... 5mn wagered should show 50k profit.
605559;1396656907;mircea_popescu;it's been stuck around 12-15kish forever neh ?
605560;1396656909;mike_c;it is heavily skewed by nakowa, the huge lucky bettor.
605561;1396656917;mircea_popescu;but that was long ago ?
605562;1396656935;mike_c;yeah.  but since then it has largely tracked expected returns
605563;1396656942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00096577 = 24.2891 BTC [-] {2} 
605564;1396656945;mircea_popescu;o it has ?
605565;1396656982;bounce;too bad journos are suckers for that sort of crap. and apparently there's good dues revenue in it too. nice racket.
605566;1396656992;mike_c;last three months, 425k wagered.
605567;1396656998;mircea_popescu;bounce revenue what ?
605568;1396657005;mike_c;so expected would only be 4k profit
605569;1396657011;mircea_popescu;and actual profit ?
605570;1396657037;*;bounce briefly wonders if there'd be legitimate purposes for a "bitcoin foundation", and what sort of people you'd want in there, then.
605571;1396657053;mike_c;~ 4.5k
605572;1396657062;mircea_popescu;ah then that's cool.
605573;1396657084;bounce;``The Bitcoin Foundation is basically the official establishment of a loose collection of technology geeks, businessmen, and big-government skeptics from around the world. The 18-month-old group has thousands of members, plus roughly $3 million in dues and donations contributed in bitcoins.''
605574;1396657099;mircea_popescu;derp.
605575;1396657102;bounce;treacherous use of "official" there
605576;1396657107;mircea_popescu;they got some donations originally, when btc was cheap.
605577;1396657204;bounce;what's the speshul extra spendy memberships cost again?
605578;1396657208;mircea_popescu;bounce well, shot the only guy on the authors list with any sm exposure a tweet.
605579;1396657230;mircea_popescu;bounce basically ver donated i dun recall, 3k btc was it ? back when btc was 50ish
605580;1396657232;bounce;oh dear. a tweet!
605581;1396657254;bounce;;;calc 3000 * [tlast]
605582;1396657255;gribble;1350000
605583;1396657258;mircea_popescu;a few forum muppets split a coupla hundred btc between a thousand or so heads
605584;1396657264;mircea_popescu;and the rest is open to debate.
605585;1396657369;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 25 @ 0.01200125 = 0.3 BTC [-]
605586;1396657370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3000 @ 0.00012599 = 0.378 BTC [+] {2} 
605587;1396657676;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0598 = 0.6578 BTC [-]
605588;1396657918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1369 @ 0.000127 = 0.1739 BTC [+] {2} 
605589;1396658040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03809999 = 0.381 BTC [-]
605590;1396658586;bounce;looking at their membership page and the dues listed --in usd but payable in "bitcoin index", taking usd for reference here, and taking the yearlies for just one year-- I'm calculating a band of 405925 to 440225 USD-worth lower bound actually paid
605591;1396658711;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 939 @ 0.00013398 = 0.1258 BTC [+] {2} 
605592;1396658772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00096552 = 16.8966 BTC [-] {2} 
605593;1396658782;mircea_popescu;this is actually remarkably accurate afaik.
605594;1396659017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00096874 = 8.5733 BTC [+] {2} 
605595;1396659078;bounce;eh, I made a boo-boo in the upper band. missing some 400k-odd, so 400k-800k. lemme check the numbers again.
605596;1396659091;mike_c;looks like neobeeq has settled in at a 93% drop from suspended price.  another win for havelock.
605597;1396659098;benkay;half your money!
605598;1396659104;benkay;hey mircea_popescu thanks for the front page tweet
605599;1396659120;mircea_popescu;yw
605600;1396659134;benkay;had to wait for some other twuser to let me know
605601;1396659143;mircea_popescu;you have a tweetar ?
605602;1396659149;benkay;odd thing is that other people are now letting me hear about where else my blatherings are popping up o.O
605603;1396659167;benkay;ffs are you kidding me?
605604;1396659176;*;kakobrekla checks
605605;1396659178;mircea_popescu;lol no
605606;1396659181;kakobrekla;yeah surfer dude is invested innit
605607;1396659183;kakobrekla;>The Bitcoin Emerging Market Fund (BBBB) initiated a position in the Neo & Bee Payment Network  (Havelock: NEOBEE) on 03/07 buying 18 shares. The fund will continue to increase this position in the near term. I love the tangibility of NEOBEE's assets. They have brick and mortar branches and will be providing vital financial services to an area that has traditionally been "under-banked."
605608;1396659184;benkay;140 characters signifying nothing
605609;1396659194;kakobrekla;a whole 18 shares of loss.
605610;1396659200;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla ahahaha who runs this ?
605611;1396659206;benkay;surfcapital management?
605612;1396659210;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95441.msg5682356;topicseen#msg5682356
605613;1396659211;ozbot;[Cryptostocks] BBBB Bitcoin Emerging Market Fund
605614;1396659212;mircea_popescu;pretty fucking epic lol.
605615;1396659224;mircea_popescu;"i love the tangibility of neobee's assets". "oops... they had no assets"
605616;1396659257;mircea_popescu;"Peer-to-peer lending is risky. We can mitigate fraud losses by our due diligence. BTCJam provides great analytics on borrower creditworthiness. "
605617;1396659261;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.10144642 = 1.5217 BTC [-]
605618;1396659265;mircea_popescu;fucktards are fucktared, news at eight.
605619;1396659270;kakobrekla;hehe
605620;1396659283;mircea_popescu;our due dilligence, loving the tangibility of newbie assets.
605621;1396659287;cads;in my famous and well loved series of clueless questions, what are some books that you guys think any entrepreneur should read after his fifth failure, right before making it big!
605622;1396659289;BingoBoingo;[KS]: Understanding the difference between usagi and dank is critical for classing other scams
605623;1396659290;asciilifeform;can't wait until somebody thinks of offering fucktard loans with... btc private keys as collateral.
605624;1396659300;mircea_popescu;im blogging this.
605625;1396659302;cads;sorry I made that question _extra_ clueless, for humor.
605626;1396659303;benkay;ANATHEMA
605627;1396659331;mircea_popescu;cads i think you should detail your previous five failures on a blog.
605628;1396659336;mircea_popescu;then we can halp you.
605629;1396659344;KRS-One;HALP HALP!
605630;1396659359;benkay;NO HALP ME
605631;1396659373;cads;mircea_popescu: haha, that would be a lovely blog
605632;1396659383;benkay;this channel really burnt a solid day talking about sky faeries?
605633;1396659392;cads;I'm glad I missed that.
605634;1396659425;benkay;sorta thing drives me to productivity
605635;1396659428;benkay;and drink.
605636;1396659431;benkay;but mostly productivity.
605637;1396659434;BingoBoingo;cads: Prolly read some Thales
605638;1396659501;cads;The philosopher?
605639;1396659542;BingoBoingo;cads: He made good business
605640;1396659555;cads;As a fifth tier entrepreneur, I have decided to rewire my mushy brain with the classic modes of thought!
605641;1396659591;cads;BingoBoingo: seems like this guy is good to read as part of one's culture studies
605642;1396659616;BingoBoingo;cads: How he made his fortune is worth looking into
605643;1396659620;bloctoc;how does one pronounce Mircea Popescu?
605644;1396659657;cads;The first known individual to which a mathematical discovery is attributed.
605645;1396659693;cads;bloctoc: MrrrrrRrrrRR-CEA PPppPppscu
605646;1396659705;cads;while grovveling
605647;1396659711;cads;and crying
605648;1396659770;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#487676
605649;1396659773;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
605650;1396659776;mircea_popescu;bloctoc ^
605651;1396659834;bloctoc;thanks! now I can phone in my reports to the viceroy
605652;1396660210;cads;huh, I need to look into algorithmically summarizing the log file
605653;1396660320;cads;I think I'm naturally half dyslexic and half autistic because I can't read fast, especially when you throw social contexts into the mix and especially when there are multiple speakers
605654;1396660374;cads;sometimes I can barely keep up in real time with a medium load, 5 speaker IRC conversation
605655;1396660403;cads;sometimes I use text to speech to help reduce to brain load
605656;1396660446;thestringpuller;i should play sad music
605657;1396660451;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
605658;1396660452;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095605 / 0.00096103 / 0.00096895 (962115 shares, 924.62 BTC), 7D: 0.00093355 / 0.00094921 / 0.00096895 (6220253 shares, 5,904.36 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00088782 / 0.00096895 (28968485 shares, 25,718.87 BTC)
605659;1396660456;cads;anyways, more recently I've heard about this 18 year old kid that sold his text summarization company Summly to Yahoo for 30 million bucks
605660;1396660485;jborkl;http://www.gamespot.com/articles/5-year-old-cracks-xbox-one-security-by-discovering-simple-flaw/1100-6418774/
605661;1396660485;ozbot;5-year-old cracks Xbox One security by discovering simple flaw - GameSpot
605662;1396660488;thestringpuller;you seem to type just fine cads
605663;1396660494;cads;typing works well
605664;1396660508;cads;about 60-70 wpm, I'm happy with that
605665;1396660512;mircea_popescu;cads if text to speec hreduces your brain load you need to go back to school.
605666;1396660515;cazalla;i believe the summly kid is from australia
605667;1396660517;mircea_popescu;learn to read yo.
605668;1396660549;cads;mircea_popescu: I've always been a heavy reader, it's honest to goodness just the switching social contexts that do it
605669;1396660563;jborkl;Now we know how msft hacks, just leave the password blank
605670;1396660650;mircea_popescu;cads i can see it. needs practice tho
605671;1396660714;cads;not a bad thing if I happen to also take measures to increase the effective bandwidth of the text I read
605672;1396660739;cads;another area I could improve on is being taken in by heavy use of jargon
605673;1396660788;benkay;just set scam filters to trigger hard when jargon appears
605674;1396660795;cads;but that's because I tend to fill in the details with the actual real work I've read dealing with the terms
605675;1396660803;cads;and fool myself that the author really means something
605676;1396660806;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: what is the ad space cost on bitbet?
605677;1396660829;cads;benkay: I live and breath jargon :)
605678;1396660846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83000 @ 0.00097009 = 80.5175 BTC [+] {7} 
605679;1396660923;cads;oh, hey, this reminds me
605680;1396660931;cads;idea I've had for a while
605681;1396660935;bounce;ok, lower bound is still 405925: all silvers are small, one year, all anons are yearly. upper bound is now 907675: all silvers are large, all anons are lifetime, and 3 years of dues for the yearlies
605682;1396660942;cads;i want to teach math in a virtual pirate math university
605683;1396660953;cads;where our library is a virtual library of pirated shiz
605684;1396660961;cads;and our teachers are just kids on the net
605685;1396660970;thestringpuller;da fuq you on about?
605686;1396660990;cads;being Professor Cads in an underground university
605687;1396661003;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller minium of .1, rotation based on what you pay
605688;1396661068;thestringpuller;is that for like what a month?
605689;1396661456;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2001 @ 0.0001482 = 0.2965 BTC [+] {8} 
605690;1396661488;kakobrekla;yes
605691;1396661572;bounce;(assuming the industry memberships are lifetime, doesn't say one way or the other)
605692;1396661578;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1500 @ 0.0001488 = 0.2232 BTC [+]
605693;1396661662;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/these-fucktards-have-to-be-immortalised-theyre-worse-than-dr-foreskin-even/
605694;1396661663;ozbot;These fucktards have to be immortalised, they’re worse than Dr. Foreskin even pe Trilema - Un blog
605695;1396661668;mircea_popescu;surf fund and topics.
605696;1396661718;cazalla;did you see their office?
605697;1396661743;cazalla;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOSHM25CUAExszy.jpg
605698;1396661752;mircea_popescu;dude what fucking difference does it make.
605699;1396661791;mircea_popescu;i know plenty of quite competend hedgies that don't even have an office.
605700;1396661883;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 582 @ 0.00558241 = 3.249 BTC [-] {20} 
605701;1396662005;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 408 @ 0.00540766 = 2.2063 BTC [-] {9} 
605702;1396662141;thestringpuller;lol you're better off investing blindly on bets in bitbet than investing it with tards on teh forum
605703;1396662156;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.bbet
605704;1396662157;assbot;[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00056 / 0.00056 / 0.00056 (2 shares, 0.00 BTC), 30D: 0.00045 / 0.00049074 / 0.00059 (12152 shares, 5.96 BTC)
605705;1396662183;mircea_popescu;prolly.
605706;1396662366;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/762/neobee-orphaned-in-2014/
605707;1396662369;ozbot;BitBet - NeoBee Orphaned in 2014
605708;1396662371;mircea_popescu;whoever made that thing knew.
605709;1396662517;kakobrekla;thestringpuller just copy the mods really.
605710;1396662648;thestringpuller;lolol
605711;1396662677;kakobrekla;what is so funny
605712;1396662695;thestringpuller;that placing bets on bitbet is likely to have a greater yield than with the scam mp just presented
605713;1396662704;thestringpuller;can't help but laugh...
605714;1396662754;mircea_popescu;not even a scam, just kids being tarded.
605715;1396663408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.06598907 = 0.3299 BTC [-]
605716;1396663409;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.037 = 0.185 BTC [-]
605717;1396664872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.0731 = 0.1462 BTC [-]
605718;1396665970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07939999 = 0.1588 BTC [+] {2} 
605719;1396666275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17078 @ 0.00097224 = 16.6039 BTC [+]
605720;1396666612;MisterE;8 hours of takeoffs @ LAX https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkKsmc5IcAA0c8X.jpg:large
605721;1396667861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 8407 @ 0.0001096 = 0.9214 BTC [-] {16} 
605722;1396667922;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1600 @ 0.00009919 = 0.1587 BTC [-] {4} 
605723;1396667983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15140 @ 0.00097257 = 14.7247 BTC [+] {2} 
605724;1396668044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00096578 = 5.2152 BTC [-]
605725;1396669203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 57 @ 0.0075 = 0.4275 BTC [+] {2} 
605726;1396671034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03809999 = 0.1143 BTC [+]
605727;1396671277;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0598889 = 0.2396 BTC [-] {2} 
605728;1396672375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1976 @ 0.0001 = 0.1976 BTC [+]
605729;1396673229;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0075 = 0.345 BTC [+]
605730;1396674510;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1602 @ 0.00012512 = 0.2004 BTC [+] {6} 
605731;1396675303;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2800 @ 0.00013964 = 0.391 BTC [+] {6} 
605732;1396676279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.0009655 = 11.2964 BTC [-]
605733;1396676663;punkman;http://investors.bitcoinshop.us/
605734;1396676804;chetty;http://www.bbg.gov/blog/2014/04/04/russia-clamps-down-further-on-u-s-international-media/#.Uz9lSNdtU-V.twitter
605735;1396676804;ozbot;Russia Clamps Down Further on U.S. International Media
605736;1396676898;punkman;http://amultiverse.com/comic/2014/04/03/money-vs-people/
605737;1396676901;ozbot;Scenes From A Multiverse » Money Vs People
605738;1396677316;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0560005 = 0.112 BTC [-]
605739;1396677551;MisterE;;; ident
605740;1396677551;gribble;Nick 'MisterE', with hostmask 'MisterE!~MisterE@unaffiliated/mistere', is not identified.
605741;1396677561;MisterE;;;eauth
605742;1396677561;gribble;(eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
605743;1396677569;MisterE;;;eauth MisterE
605744;1396677570;gribble;Request successful for user MisterE, hostmask MisterE!~MisterE@unaffiliated/mistere. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C97817F2EE7504A3
605745;1396677621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00096525 = 5.4054 BTC [-]
605746;1396677820;MisterE;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:bce7bfaaf65b0f2b21be0261be00e6ddb9ba8d5a77f4bd375d4d9267
605747;1396677821;gribble;You are now authenticated for user MisterE with key C97817F2EE7504A3
605748;1396677826;MisterE;;;ident
605749;1396677826;gribble;Nick 'MisterE', with hostmask 'MisterE!~MisterE@unaffiliated/mistere', is identified as user 'MisterE', with GPG key id C97817F2EE7504A3, key fingerprint E54D4555D630311E14217FBDC97817F2EE7504A3, and bitcoin address 157afpHi6hoT9dTHs4nGuH78TRXd6rHG6N
605750;1396678536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1929 @ 0.00012407 = 0.2393 BTC [-] {5} 
605751;1396679329;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0560003 = 0.112 BTC [-]
605752;1396679573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 258 @ 0.00088843 = 0.2292 BTC [+]
605753;1396679696;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00012 = 0.12 BTC [-]
605754;1396679756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1280 @ 0.00017669 = 0.2262 BTC [+] {7} 
605755;1396679817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 662 @ 0.0001769 = 0.1171 BTC [+] {4} 
605756;1396679878;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06579965 = 0.1974 BTC [-] {2} 
605757;1396679939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0658 = 0.1316 BTC [+]
605758;1396680244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00096387 = 29.5908 BTC [-] {4} 
605759;1396682344;chetty;http://www.thegwpf.org/ministry-of-truth-crackdown-ordered-on-climate-change-sceptics/
605760;1396683843;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.01999702 = 0.14 BTC [-] {3} 
605761;1396685809;jurov;!t h neobeeq
605762;1396685809;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEEQ] 1D: 0.00000001 / 9.555E-5 / 0.00020000 (206015 shares, 19.68375163 BTC), 7D: 0.00000001 / 9.555E-5 / 0.00020000 (206015 shares, 19.68375163 BTC), 30D: 0.00000001 / 0.00215953 / 0.00450000 (597969 shares, 1291.32993711 BTC)
605763;1396686161;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 57 @ 0.03809999 = 2.1717 BTC [+]
605764;1396686177;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2284o7/mark_karpels_speaks/ lol
605765;1396686405;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1140 @ 0.00013993 = 0.1595 BTC [+] {5} 
605766;1396686407;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 93 @ 0.02011797 = 1.871 BTC [+] {6} 
605767;1396686466;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61218391 BTC [+]
605768;1396686891;[KS];BingoBoingo: I'm not really interested in the encyclopedic classification of scams but I can see where it has some value for clueless investors. I'm more into: 1/ it's scam, 2/ it still might be a scam or have same result, 3/ it's without a doubt not a scam and is a secure investment (like Treasury Bonds - although...looking at Argentina/Russia...). So far I have seen 1/ and 2/. Dank, RENT and others are 1/ no doubt. Neo and AM are 2/.
605769;1396687320;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00014 = 0.28 BTC [+]
605770;1396687990;jurov;http://www.coindesk.com/neo-bee-ceo-danny-brewster-faces-fraud-allegations-cyprus/
605771;1396687992;jurov;such drama
605772;1396688080;jurov;However, the Cyprus Mail states that it contacted the police authorities and learned that Brewster has not reported any threats, either against him or his family.
605773;1396688189;thestringpuller;!last m s.mpoe
605774;1396688189;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096387 BTC [-]
605775;1396688247;Apocalyptic;jurov, interesting
605776;1396688268;chetty;what would bitcoin be without drama?
605777;1396688332;thestringpuller;lol chetty you never got me those model formats lol
605778;1396688426;chetty;hmm I gave them to MP
605779;1396688439;chetty;get to #eulora
605780;1396688540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 761 @ 0.00014 = 0.1065 BTC [+] {2} 
605781;1396689339;tehfcuk;Sup
605782;1396689577;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 7625 @ 0.00014 = 1.0675 BTC [+] {2} 
605783;1396689609;tehfcuk;Hello?
605784;1396689638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3071 @ 0.00014877 = 0.4569 BTC [+] {4} 
605785;1396689640;tehfcuk;Anyone here?
605786;1396689652;thestringpuller;yea
605787;1396689660;thestringpuller;check logs
605788;1396689673;tehfcuk;Sorry, new to IRC
605789;1396689699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2500 @ 0.00014999 = 0.375 BTC [+] {3} 
605790;1396689719;tehfcuk;Is that people buying NeoBee?
605791;1396689848;chetty;tehfcuk, its a kinda slow time of day, read some of the logs to get a feel for the place
605792;1396689867;chetty;NEOEBEEQ, whatever that is
605793;1396689891;tehfcuk;Alright, will do thanks
605794;1396689943;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00015 = 0.3 BTC [+]
605795;1396689944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.0009655 = 12.5515 BTC [+]
605796;1396689944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00545002 = 0.109 BTC [+]
605797;1396690310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.6121449 = 3.0607 BTC [-] {3} 
605798;1396690492;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00015 = 0.3 BTC [+]
605799;1396690675;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 725 @ 0.00013896 = 0.1007 BTC [-] {3} 
605800;1396691773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10019 @ 0.0009655 = 9.6733 BTC [+]
605801;1396692052;chetty;http://www.nationalreview.com/article/375091/new-torquemadas-charles-c-w-cooke
605802;1396692566;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 26 @ 0.0381 = 0.9906 BTC [+]
605803;1396692679;Apocalyptic;.d
605804;1396692679;ozbot;5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1 blocks | Estimated Change: 22.3402% in -1d 23h 53m 9s
605805;1396692725;Apocalyptic;in -1d , sounds legit
605806;1396693054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00096315 = 10.1612 BTC [-]
605807;1396693664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5299 @ 0.00012 = 0.6359 BTC [-] {2} 
605808;1396693909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10941 @ 0.0009655 = 10.5635 BTC [+]
605809;1396694885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 72 @ 0.0015808 = 0.1138 BTC [-] {6} 
605810;1396695293;cazalla;https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=674
605811;1396695337;cazalla;CoinLab now goldmember, toite like a toiger
605812;1396695588;Duffer1;remarkable
605813;1396695616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1800 @ 0.00012 = 0.216 BTC [+] {3} 
605814;1396696409;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0381 = 0.5715 BTC [+]
605815;1396697019;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 20000 @ 0.00011894 = 2.3788 BTC [-] {14} 
605816;1396698377;mircea_popescu;punkman and yet they're not in here.
605817;1396698414;mircea_popescu;"HOTEL MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS, INC."
605818;1396698455;mircea_popescu;http://www.barchart.com/quotes/stocks/TUCN this'd be them.
605819;1396698456;ozbot;TUCN | Stock Price Quote for Hotel Management Systems Inc.
605820;1396698470;punkman;BTCS now
605821;1396698478;mircea_popescu;makes no diff. weighted alpha -60%
605822;1396698490;mircea_popescu;that means they reflected 60% of the movement in their industry, the other direction.
605823;1396698500;mircea_popescu;almost as good as your average forum investor.
605824;1396698516;mircea_popescu;1 Year Return %:-72.97%
605825;1396698516;mircea_popescu;3 Year Return %:-410.81%
605826;1396698516;mircea_popescu;5 Year Return %:-98.72%
605827;1396698539;mircea_popescu;trading 0.0050+0.0007 atm. i guess an article is in order.
605828;1396698849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14223 @ 0.00096888 = 13.7804 BTC [+] {2} 
605829;1396699280;mircea_popescu;punkman http://trilema.com/2014/scam-flavour-of-the-day-bitcoinshopus-aka-hotel-management-systems-inc-tucn/
605830;1396699283;mircea_popescu;ty for teh tip.
605831;1396699297;mircea_popescu;want a link to a blog/social media acct/something from your nick ?
605832;1396699744;mircea_popescu;[KS] the classification doesn't go like that. there's two distinct angles being confounded.
605833;1396699772;mircea_popescu;from the investor pov, "it's a scam" to "it's a legit business" roughly maps their revenue. in this sense, a good corp in a bad market is a "scam".
605834;1396699817;mircea_popescu;from the corp pov, "it's a scam" to "it's a legit business" roughly maps their honesty. in this sense, shit badly mismanaged by honest but clueless people is "not a scam"
605835;1396699866;mircea_popescu;then the debate "it's a scam" vs "it's not a scam" can rage indefinitely, opposing some people arguing "this is so stupid it'll never see a return" with people arguing "these people are so honest and nice and trustworthy they don't even call women bitch ever!"
605836;1396699871;mircea_popescu;nonsensical debate.
605837;1396699931;locksmith;hey guys
605838;1396699940;locksmith;here's  something funny someone said to me on reddit
605839;1396699942;mircea_popescu;i personally hold the latter responsible for it, because somehow it has been implanted in the head of every clueless fuckwit that how nice you are matters. it dun matter for shit.
605840;1396699943;locksmith;"You are the alt account of ThickAsThieves, posting in IRC also as Sherlock & locksmith. So, why dont you start explaining how you and the ret of the Mircea team FUDed this up, hey?"
605841;1396699957;mircea_popescu;o hey, welcome to the dreamteam, locksmith
605842;1396699962;locksmith;btw my reddit username is sherlocksmith
605843;1396699987;mircea_popescu;this chan is logged, and everybody in bitcoin reads it. even the redditards.
605844;1396699994;mircea_popescu;well, the minority that can read anyway.
605845;1396700002;mircea_popescu;speaking of which,
605846;1396700003;mircea_popescu;.bait
605847;1396700004;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/e8ab0210530f2c108dd31a55232ce0c1/tumblr_mr19a1Tq5z1sqhhcto1_500.png
605848;1396700019;locksmith;nice
605849;1396700023;mircea_popescu;not bad yeah.
605850;1396700035;mircea_popescu;extra knickers but w/e.
605851;1396700063;locksmith;yeah, I'm just trying to figure why that guy is connecting me to TaT though, beyond the fact that I've been warning people against neobee and also coming to this channel
605852;1396700091;mircea_popescu;beyond ?
605853;1396700098;mircea_popescu;what are you, from like the past ? this is the future dood.
605854;1396700123;locksmith;lol
605855;1396700134;chetty;those two items are enough to build a conspiracy :)
605856;1396700143;locksmith;speaking of reddit, this is my latest hobby btw http://www.reddit.com/r/tumblrarchives
605857;1396700143;mircea_popescu;.d
605858;1396700144;ozbot;6.120 billion | Next Diff in 2007 blocks | Estimated Change: -17.8582% in 16d 10h 12m 45s
605859;1396700169;chetty;you only need 2 dots and the sharpie goes to work
605860;1396700195;mircea_popescu;cazalla: CoinLab now goldmember, toite like a toiger << i remember in like early 2013 when i was like, ycombinator is running btc scams, and people were like nonono, coinlab and coinbase are not the same thing! and coindesk is relevant!
605861;1396700196;mircea_popescu;orly.
605862;1396700203;locksmith;well, there's no such thing as anonymity, only pseudonimity
605863;1396700256;mircea_popescu;locksmith pity you weren't around when i stil ran dtng, you could have spammed reddit with links to that
605864;1396700259;mircea_popescu;better porn anyway.
605865;1396700292;locksmith;dtng?
605866;1396700306;mircea_popescu;yeah, old imgboard
605867;1396700369;locksmith;oh alright, I was trying to connect the dots with a sharpy and see if you could be linked to violentacrez
605868;1396700404;mircea_popescu;supposedly she's one of my many alternate female identitties.
605869;1396700436;locksmith;haha
605870;1396700452;mircea_popescu;http://www.thegwpf.org/ministry-of-truth-crackdown-ordered-on-climate-change-sceptics/
605871;1396700457;locksmith;you could've used it to spread more fud about neobee
605872;1396700467;mircea_popescu;this is pretty lulzy stuff. "oh noes, people say things we don't like to hear. SILENCE THEM!!11"
605873;1396700489;mircea_popescu;locksmith no cause then it'd have given the game away to the astute reddit monsterbators.
605874;1396700500;chetty;yeah see what happened to the DEO of Mozilla?
605875;1396700501;mircea_popescu;im saving that one for to ruin the feminist movement from inside or something.
605876;1396700509;chetty;s/CEO
605877;1396700534;mircea_popescu;chetty remember that article that hurt artifexd's feelings, which said programmers are fungible ?
605878;1396700540;mircea_popescu;well... he got fungibled.
605879;1396700585;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1/450000
605880;1396700585;gribble;2.22222222222e-06
605881;1396700599;mircea_popescu;;;calc (1 - 1/450000) * 100
605882;1396700599;gribble;99.9997777778
605883;1396700604;locksmith;dude don't target femen! coz you know
605884;1396700607;locksmith;boobs
605885;1396700616;pankkake;femens don't have boobs
605886;1396700622;pankkake;;;calc (1 - 1/600000) * 100
605887;1396700622;gribble;99.9998333333
605888;1396700629;chetty;nah fungible he could go somewhere else, that guy will never work again
605889;1396700639;locksmith;pankkake stop spreading fud https://www.google.com.cy/search?q=femen&espv=2&es_sm=94&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=s_U_U86JKs3csgaW1oDoDA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1301&bih=682
605890;1396700680;pankkake;I remembered them flatter
605891;1396700719;locksmith;they got all shapes and colors
605892;1396700730;mircea_popescu;ya srsly, the entire concept of femen is to form a group of little boys that pretend to be topless women.
605893;1396700760;locksmith;yeah but they chop down wooden crosses without a shirt on
605894;1396700765;locksmith;which is pretty hardcore
605895;1396700792;mircea_popescu;Mounties: He cuts down trees, he skips and jumps, he likes to press wild flowers.
605896;1396700792;mircea_popescu;He puts on women's clothing and hangs around.... In bars?
605897;1396700802;mircea_popescu;(but no, they're nice gals, i'm just being contrarian)
605898;1396700807;locksmith;so if I get this right, feminists are butthurt cos of having small boobs?
605899;1396700841;mircea_popescu;most annoying feminists i saw are butthurt cause you can't really make their boobs out among all the spare tires.
605900;1396700859;mircea_popescu;most pleasant feminists i know are simply not interested in getting it on with a failed boy pretending to be a man
605901;1396700867;mircea_popescu;and prefer to be my slaves instead.
605902;1396700886;mircea_popescu;in between these, a continuum
605903;1396700998;locksmith;where I come from women are feminist by default. we change the configs though but some of them are using persistent state
605904;1396701039;mircea_popescu;they should be feminists. woman in a harem eats a degree of magnitude more clam than snail. god help her if she doesn't like girls.
605905;1396701117;locksmith;yeh but they end up not putting out
605906;1396701128;locksmith;heard of a married couple the other day hasn't had sex in 4 years
605907;1396701138;locksmith;that's why divorces are soaring here
605908;1396701149;locksmith;people should just not get married
605909;1396701158;mircea_popescu;well they should definitely pick better.
605910;1396701182;chetty;God I hate feminists
605911;1396701191;mircea_popescu;this "ima get married cause everyone else is" nonsense obviously can't work any better than "i'ma '''invest''' cause the rest of reddit thinks so"
605912;1396701192;locksmith;I'm thinking it's best to live with someone, and if you end up not liking each other just split up. what's the point of bringing the state into the whole ordeal
605913;1396701211;mircea_popescu;don't they have common law marriage where you live ?
605914;1396701222;locksmith;what's common law marriage
605915;1396701226;mircea_popescu;in most of the us the state involves itself anyway, provided you spend more than a few years together. or have kids.
605916;1396701234;mircea_popescu;it's a "married by default" thing.
605917;1396701249;mircea_popescu;in some us states merely failing to correct the other one's public claim you were married is good enough.
605918;1396701251;locksmith;oh yeah, this exists here, for couples with kids or people living together for more than 7 years
605919;1396701261;locksmith;but I don't live in the states
605920;1396701261;mircea_popescu;used to be 20 years about 20 years ago.
605921;1396701264;mircea_popescu;a well.
605922;1396701278;MisterE;in WA men have been forced to pay child support for children that were not theirs because they lived with and "bonded" with the family
605923;1396701288;MisterE;no doubt the guy was paying all the bills while he was there too
605924;1396701297;MisterE;terrible state to get divorced
605925;1396701307;MisterE;you want to file in Bexar County TX
605926;1396701327;locksmith;MisterE now that's just fucked up. if that happened to me nobody would ever see me again
605927;1396701342;MisterE;it's tilted so far in favor of woman in WA
605928;1396701350;mircea_popescu;locksmith why would nobody see YOU again ?
605929;1396701355;mircea_popescu;what, get new friends just because ?
605930;1396701358;locksmith;I'd hit the road man
605931;1396701365;mircea_popescu;if it happened to me nobody'd see that state again.
605932;1396701367;MisterE;in WA if someone calls police for domestic violence someone *must* go to jail
605933;1396701389;locksmith;mircea_popescu I was trying to not sound too terrorist-ish - I'm not hiding my IP :p
605934;1396701395;mircea_popescu;lol
605935;1396701404;MisterE;friend of mine got tazed because cops were there when he got home and he couldn't believe it
605936;1396701411;mircea_popescu;dude. government IS SUPPOSED to be afraid of people.
605937;1396701419;mircea_popescu;and not just a little afraid either. fucking petrified.
605938;1396701422;MisterE;supposed indeed
605939;1396701427;mircea_popescu;trembling in terror.
605940;1396701432;MisterE;they sure have turned the tables on that one
605941;1396701445;mircea_popescu;well cause of you schmucks.
605942;1396701451;locksmith;hehe
605943;1396701456;mircea_popescu;never has a thing as powerless as the state ever been invented.
605944;1396701457;MisterE;hey I voted with my feet
605945;1396701462;mircea_popescu;that also works.
605946;1396701465;MisterE;8-years ago I saw the writing on the wall
605947;1396701470;MisterE;no more tax revenue from me
605948;1396701478;locksmith;for all the shit that Cyprus is, our police here is very mild
605949;1396701501;locksmith;you can go about the island and you only see police in their cars going around
605950;1396701516;locksmith;the most terrifiying thing about cyprus police is if you do a traffic violation
605951;1396701525;locksmith;that's their strong department, traffic
605952;1396701541;mircea_popescu;anyway, my car's here so ima split. if the bitcoinshop.us tards show up, have them make an appointment. nothing before 8pm gmt.
605953;1396701576;locksmith;ok, also if you guys see ThickAsThieves let him know I'm his alt-ego
605954;1396701600;pankkake;LiteAsThieves?
605955;1396701703;locksmith;no, this guy in reddit thinks that my username there, sherlocksmith, and my nick here, locksmith, is ThickAsThieves' alt identity
605956;1396701752;pankkake;lol, they're never out of sockpuppet conspiracies
605957;1396701789;locksmith;I have actually never even spoken to ThickAsThieves, but this guy sees I come to this channel and so doees ThickAsThieves
605958;1396701796;locksmith;so we must be the same person, you know?
605959;1396701838;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.05521914 = 1.1596 BTC [-] {7} 
605960;1396702326;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3963 @ 0.00017419 = 0.6903 BTC [-] {2} 
605961;1396702692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8012 @ 0.00097093 = 7.7791 BTC [+]
605962;1396703241;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 106 @ 0.05185789 = 5.4969 BTC [-] {12} 
605963;1396703836;jurov;that fred quimby trilema stuff got me thinking
605964;1396703860;Apocalyptic;I really liked the article
605965;1396703877;jurov;Looks if i want to have more people around, I have to actually and mercilessly use them
605966;1396703901;jurov;not play toward their creative side
605967;1396703937;jurov;only then they stay in my company
605968;1396703969;jurov;But I don't want to surround me with people I secretly despise!
605969;1396703974;Apocalyptic;I didn't see that in the piece
605970;1396704003;jurov;it's closely related to the fungibility
605971;1396704026;jurov;and quimby did not buy his animator espresso machine or bean bags
605972;1396704044;Apocalyptic;the way you behave towards people is in no way related to their potential fungibility
605973;1396704052;Apocalyptic;the way you consider them however is something else
605974;1396704057;jurov;Quite the opposite. And they worked for him and the results were excellent.
605975;1396704095;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 427 @ 0.0003524 = 0.1505 BTC [+] {3} 
605976;1396704125;jurov;Apocalyptic if i consider them somehow,i'll behave too
605977;1396704143;jurov;that can't be split from each other
605978;1396704209;Apocalyptic;I think it can
605979;1396704304;jurov;But that's beside the point. I saw the point "as do not treat anyone as exceptional"
605980;1396704306;Shakespeare;a team does need a leader jurov, but a leader doesnt despise his men
605981;1396704318;Shakespeare;he merely does not need to totally understand what they do
605982;1396704433;Apocalyptic;jurov, I saw the point as a real life exemple of the value of management
605983;1396704445;Apocalyptic;*proper* management that is
605984;1396704448;Shakespeare;i think you'd find the working environment of successful "bean bag" companies to not be all espresso machines and fun
605985;1396704461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18323 @ 0.0009715 = 17.8008 BTC [+] {2} 
605986;1396704487;Shakespeare;look at the hiring lockout thing between apple/google etc
605987;1396704497;Shakespeare;finding and keeping talent is fierce
605988;1396704499;Apocalyptic;and that is shouldn't be underestimated, as it tremendously often is
605989;1396704525;Apocalyptic;(re the salary argument, "does this guy really deserve to be paid xxxx ? he does nothing...")
605990;1396704580;jurov;Do you think Jobs and Schmidt did not despise(or had similar feeling) the underlings?
605991;1396704601;Apocalyptic;now that's beside the point, maybe they did, maybe they don't
605992;1396704608;Apocalyptic;*didn't
605993;1396704617;jurov;There just *had* to be some feeling of superiority in them to do what they did
605994;1396704637;pankkake;re moz CEO: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5651
605995;1396704650;Shakespeare;Jobs and the underlings he despised were probably several layers of mgmt removed
605996;1396704679;Shakespeare;it's not thaty they felt superior, it;s that they ARE superior
605997;1396704700;Shakespeare;so when inferior beings frustrate your plans how does that make you feel?
605998;1396704789;Shakespeare;we're getting away from the spirit of the Quimby article i think though
605999;1396704793;jurov;you're right, i'd be upset
606000;1396704857;Shakespeare;it was mostly about running a tight ship, regardless of your experience performing the art
606001;1396704879;Shakespeare;showing that mindset can be corrupted
606002;1396704884;jurov;Dunno. If I want to have company and attract and keep talent, that's what i need to become
606003;1396704891;Shakespeare;and leadership is a basic form
606004;1396704903;jurov;That was what tfa was about.
606005;1396704924;Shakespeare;maybe you are not a leader
606006;1396704931;Shakespeare;you dont need to be
606007;1396704962;Shakespeare;or, maybe your decision as a good boss, migth be to hire a better manager
606008;1396704971;jurov;Well, I could barely stand being an employee since I remember.
606009;1396704979;Shakespeare;someone "brought in" Quimby right?
606010;1396704989;jurov;Yes,me.
606011;1396704994;Shakespeare;he didnt build the thing without intigation
606012;1396705000;Shakespeare;instigation
606013;1396705049;jurov;And I can't do the travelling,freelancing and squatting nomad either, attractive it may be.
606014;1396705070;jurov;So the only option left is to have own company.
606015;1396705128;[KS];mircea_popescu: I see your point, but it's an improper use of the word "scam". A scam is a fraud. A good corp in a bad market is just that. You made a bad investment and calling it a scam is just shifting the blame. Of course, don't try to explain them word things to "investors".
606016;1396705170;Shakespeare;so have a compan jurov!
606017;1396705190;Apocalyptic;he already has
606018;1396705201;jurov;Yes. Just discussing some difficulties with leading people.
606019;1396705205;jurov;*my
606020;1396705214;Shakespeare;yeah i didnt have much luck with it myself
606021;1396705226;Shakespeare;mainly found it impossible to find talent locally
606022;1396705248;Shakespeare;and impossiblly frustrating to educate the target audience i chose
606023;1396705315;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0381 = 0.3429 BTC [+]
606024;1396705329;Shakespeare;i have a dictator in me, but it's a muddled one and I still can revert to worrying about employees hating me, etc
606025;1396705353;Shakespeare;eventually you just fire the ones that do because it makes them useless
606026;1396705424;jurov;Um, I did not go to that point yet.
606027;1396705509;jurov;Just worked together with few people that would be potential employees
606028;1396705527;jurov;but all were either inept or lost interest
606029;1396705559;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05580901 = 0.279 BTC [+] {2} 
606030;1396705579;Shakespeare;do you wish they didnt lose interest? or was it indicative of their likely performance anywya?
606031;1396705602;Shakespeare;kinda seems you might be worrying too much about being super boss this early
606032;1396705632;jurov;Seems they wanted guaranteed salary and I did not feel like bullshitting them.
606033;1396705680;Shakespeare;people have to have stake to care
606034;1396705691;jurov;And once you pay full salary, you have to be super boss...
606035;1396705698;Shakespeare;whether it be salary, equity, etc
606036;1396705717;Shakespeare;it could even be their own desire to see the work done
606037;1396705727;Shakespeare;or do the specific work
606038;1396705732;Shakespeare;some kind of stake
606039;1396705741;jurov;Or their mortgage.
606040;1396705766;Shakespeare;yeah if they hard up, just the promise of moneymight do
606041;1396705790;Shakespeare;what's your company do anyway?
606042;1396705906;jurov;I have coinbr + 3 other projects in various stages...need mostly sysadmin(s).
606043;1396705989;Shakespeare;i have only bad experience with such people and staffing, i'm no help...
606044;1396706005;jurov;lol
606045;1396706024;Shakespeare;maybe merge with some other co that offers good ones?
606046;1396706052;jurov;Yeah, with niggers.txt
606047;1396706076;jurov;they failed to deliver too, btw.
606048;1396706079;Shakespeare;lol
606049;1396706103;Apocalyptic;dem niggers
606050;1396706124;Shakespeare;was your intent to be a net-based workplace?
606051;1396706130;Shakespeare;or to have an office of your staff?
606052;1396706168;Shakespeare;in my own experience, online thing is much worse and harder to manage employees/quality
606053;1396706171;jurov;Trying the first one, maybe I should do the second instead
606054;1396706200;Shakespeare;if you hire online people, they need to have super track record of delivering
606055;1396706218;Shakespeare;and any of those guys probly dont need you
606056;1396706241;Shakespeare;which means some other kind of stake
606057;1396706743;chetty;jurov, you dont need to that hard on employees. what you need is their respect.
606058;1396706785;chetty;its like raising kids, parents try to be friends not parents. You just need to be the boss, not their friend
606059;1396706840;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00012674 = 0.1267 BTC [-] {3} 
606060;1396707168;nubbins`;^
606061;1396707178;nubbins`;"i want my son to be my best friend"
606062;1396707185;nubbins`;well, your son's gonna be a fuckin asshole
606063;1396707436;chetty;nubbins`, +1
606064;1396707619;chairman_meow;hello
606065;1396707631;chairman_meow;anyone recommend an investment?
606066;1396707743;chetty;haha, avoid scams - due diligence is always called for, more in bitcoins
606067;1396708304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000175 = 0.175 BTC [-]
606068;1396708427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18990 @ 0.00097205 = 18.4592 BTC [+]
606069;1396708485;chairman_meow;assbot heh
606070;1396708529;bounce;jurov: I think you misread the piece. the guy had an enthousiastic stable of creatives. all he really had to do was keep'em focused, which does not include letting them hare off every which way.
606071;1396708945;jurov;bounce why the fungibility highlight then?
606072;1396708999;jurov;emphasis even
606073;1396709028;chetty;cause thats the way MP writes, he exaggerates everything to make a point
606074;1396709158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1029 @ 0.00013671 = 0.1407 BTC [-] {4} 
606075;1396709161;jurov;so what was the point of fungibility part?
606076;1396709219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1544 @ 0.00013697 = 0.2115 BTC [+] {2} 
606077;1396709402;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4500 @ 0.00013599 = 0.612 BTC [-] {2} 
606078;1396709427;danielpbarron;anyone who bothered to read the bio of that Dr. Whateverhisnameis would have known to stay far away from that "investment"
606079;1396709435;danielpbarron;it's written like a parody
606080;1396709483;chetty;due diligence is seriously lacking among the muppets
606081;1396709525;jurov;"genuinely love your people... like cogs in your machine"
606082;1396709553;danielpbarron;eh, i'm giving them too much credit, he didn't come off that well in his own forum thread; they had adequate warning
606083;1396709768;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00014299 = 0.143 BTC [+] {2} 
606084;1396709785;chetty;well the machine wont work without cogs, and good cogs are better
606085;1396709829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.000143 = 0.143 BTC [+]
606086;1396710073;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3076 @ 0.0001431 = 0.4402 BTC [+] {3} 
606087;1396710134;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00014788 = 0.1479 BTC [+]
606088;1396710500;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00088842 = 0.1777 BTC [+]
606089;1396711720;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05580951 = 0.1116 BTC [+] {2} 
606090;1396712452;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.055808 = 0.1674 BTC [-] {3} 
606091;1396712477;thestringpuller;;;ticker
606092;1396712479;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 451.46, Best ask: 451.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.34000, Last trade: 451.8, 24 hour volume: 5754.99089432, 24 hour low: 439.99, 24 hour high: 456.23, 24 hour vwap: 447.289472287
606093;1396712940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6154 @ 0.00097407 = 5.9944 BTC [+]
606094;1396713216;chairman_meow;hey what do you think of CBTC losses?
606095;1396713290;pankkake;losses?
606096;1396713372;danielpbarron;https://www.cbtc.com/ Community Bank of Chesapeake?
606097;1396713372;ozbot;Community Bank of the Chesapeake, Southern Maryland and Virginia
606098;1396713413;danielpbarron;or http://www.cbtc.org/CBTC/Welcome.html Coastal Bicycle Touring Club?
606099;1396713429;chairman_meow;https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=CBTC
606100;1396713475;danielpbarron;i think everything about that whole exchange is sketchy, but individuals keep using it so what do i know
606101;1396713514;chairman_meow;heh. it looks like CBTC has never made a profit
606102;1396713533;danielpbarron;that's not a shock
606103;1396713550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 107 @ 0.001565 = 0.1675 BTC [-] {4} 
606104;1396713551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] [PAID] 2.17250000 BTC to 86`900 shares, 2500 satoshi per share
606105;1396713553;pankkake;why are they paying dividends then?
606106;1396713560;chairman_meow;beats me
606107;1396713563;danielpbarron;but investing isn't about making money for most individuals; they are happy just to participate
606108;1396713582;pankkake;"This has been tried before. His response was about his love of life and how many of his friends and family have died when he was young."
606109;1396713589;Apocalyptic;Management Fees฿104.6200
606110;1396713592;chetty;actual profits are pretty rare in bitcoin space.
606111;1396713611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.0009695 = 18.1781 BTC [-] {3} 
606112;1396713611;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.08562688 BTC to 5`076 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
606113;1396713615;danielpbarron;lol i'm pretty rare i guess
606114;1396713667;benkay;actual businesses are pretty rare in bitcoin space chetty
606115;1396713672;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 66.40585632 BTC to 5`076 shares, 1308232 satoshi per share
606116;1396713672;danielpbarron;it's pretty easy if you make sure that what goes in is more than what goes out
606117;1396713727;benkay;;;lasers
606118;1396713727;gribble;┌� ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
606119;1396713733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.05756002 = 0.8634 BTC [-] {5} 
606120;1396713734;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 35 @ 0.0381 = 1.3335 BTC [+]
606121;1396713746;chetty;benkay, +1
606122;1396713793;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: depends on if the business touches fiat ever...
606123;1396713793;benkay;lotsa new handles in here -- y'all in the WoT yet?
606124;1396713794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 43 @ 0.05118139 = 2.2008 BTC [-] {3} 
606125;1396713803;*;danielpbarron is
606126;1396713814;benkay;and who are you, danielpbarron
606127;1396713816;benkay;?
606128;1396713821;benkay;what's your flavor of scam?
606129;1396713826;danielpbarron;Daniel Peter Barron
606130;1396713837;danielpbarron;don't trust me
606131;1396713855;danielpbarron;i have no investments for you
606132;1396713866;benkay;o ya you're the troll thumper
606133;1396713878;benkay;what are you doing here, danielpbarron ?
606134;1396713905;danielpbarron;am I in the wrong place? I thought this was ground zero of the Bitcoin Business community
606135;1396713919;benkay;hence the question "what are you doing here"
606136;1396713933;danielpbarron;lol, start making sense
606137;1396713939;benkay;not as in get out of here as you no doubt hear all the time, but what precisely are you doing.
606138;1396713946;danielpbarron;learning
606139;1396713961;chetty;worthy action
606140;1396713979;danielpbarron;i think it would be irressponsible to hold BTC and NOT be in here
606141;1396713993;thestringpuller;better than the forums...
606142;1396714004;danielpbarron;that's an understatement
606143;1396714057;benkay;danielpbarron: do you have this 'hoarders will starve' thesis of yours written out anywhere in more detail than 140 characters including a link allows for?
606144;1396714099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.10144642 = 2.2318 BTC [-]
606145;1396714135;danielpbarron;what are you talking about
606146;1396714158;benkay;ah i misread
606147;1396714160;danielpbarron;(i don't mean that isn't my twitter account, it is)
606148;1396714178;benkay;hoarder's won't starve, misconceiving bitcoin will kill you is that the gist?
606149;1396714343;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.05779984 = 0.867 BTC [+] {5} 
606150;1396714344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0371 = 0.1113 BTC [-] {2} 
606151;1396714404;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.038525 = 0.3082 BTC [+] {2} 
606152;1396714411;danielpbarron;individuals who oppose deflationary currencies in favor of inflationary, based on having being duped into thinking that someone would sooner starve to death then part with savings, will themselves starve to death when the infastructure feeding them inevitably collapses due to the inability of central banks to print their way into prosperity
606153;1396714467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0589999 = 0.236 BTC [+]
606154;1396714468;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05580801 = 0.1116 BTC [+]
606155;1396714527;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 56 @ 0.05023069 = 2.8129 BTC [-] {8} 
606156;1396714528;benkay;p much.
606157;1396714709;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 27 @ 0.039 = 1.053 BTC [+]
606158;1396714711;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [-]
606159;1396714866;benkay;i had a crypto nightmare last night
606160;1396714889;benkay;had a machine lifted with passphrase cached
606161;1396715077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 27 @ 0.03737188 = 1.009 BTC [-] {3} 
606162;1396715078;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.05 = 1.1 BTC [-] {4} 
606163;1396715136;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.08299776 = 1.826 BTC [-]
606164;1396715175;cgcardona_;and the passphrase was 'aaaaaaaa' - it was truly a nightmare :)
606165;1396715198;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 27 @ 0.08299776 = 2.2409 BTC [-]
606166;1396715297;benkay;the neobee physical locations never even existed?
606167;1396715343;cgcardona_;great rules btw (I only discovered the room yesterday) http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/ "Pros don’t give a shit, it’s the clueless twits and assorted pretenders that do"
606168;1396715352;cgcardona_;nicely put
606169;1396715441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00097242 = 11.8635 BTC [+]
606170;1396715441;benkay;here's a tough one
606171;1396715456;benkay;which affiliation makes you look dumber to the average potential client?
606172;1396715457;benkay;bitcoin?
606173;1396715460;benkay;twitter?
606174;1396715555;Apocalyptic;depends on your audience I guess
606175;1396715563;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.051 = 0.153 BTC [-] {2} 
606176;1396715564;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0361 = 0.1083 BTC [-] {2} 
606177;1396715566;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
606178;1396715624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05349999 = 0.107 BTC [+] {2} 
606179;1396715630;benkay;doubtless.
606180;1396715664;kakobrekla;bitcoin or myspace?
606181;1396715683;cgcardona_;depends what you mean by 'average' - I recently got a new part time job in SF w/ some relatively tech savvy people. During the interview we talked about btc and I told them about my project. The team leaders response was 'I think bitcoin is cool. I'm just not sure if it's gonna be the winner' (fair enough i suppose).
606182;1396715687;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.056 = 0.168 BTC [+]
606183;1396715705;cgcardona_;On the flip side I recently took on a client in honolulu and he is incredibly tech savvy and wanted nothing to do w/ twitter integration
606184;1396715739;cgcardona_;a third anecdotal evidence is my wife recently asked a local music store here on kauai if they'd let her buy me an ukelele for my bday w/ btc and they basically laughed her out of the store.
606185;1396715762;cgcardona_;so depending on where in the spectrum the person falls it would change (obvisously)
606186;1396715846;cgcardona_;*obviously
606187;1396715868;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 25 @ 0.05121599 = 1.2804 BTC [-] {5} 
606188;1396715869;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.03574997 = 0.858 BTC [-] {9} 
606189;1396715929;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 24 @ 0.08299776 = 1.9919 BTC [-]
606190;1396715990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15731 @ 0.00096355 = 15.1576 BTC [-] {4} 
606191;1396716299;ellen_degenerate;!help
606192;1396716299;assbot;List of commands:
606193;1396716300;assbot;!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
606194;1396716301;assbot;!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
606195;1396716302;assbot;!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
606196;1396716303;assbot;!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
606197;1396716304;assbot;!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
606198;1396716305;assbot;!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
606199;1396716306;assbot;!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
606200;1396716307;assbot;!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
606201;1396716354;thestringpuller;!jd
606202;1396716354;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 15307 BTC profit, 31.9k BTC invested, 981.18 mio bets, 5.14 mio BTC wagered
606203;1396716535;MisterE;http://loyalkng.com/2009/11/11/romanian-becomes-possessed-while-on-live-television/
606204;1396716537;ozbot;Romanian Becomes Possessed While on Live Television — LOYAL K.N.G.
606205;1396716538;MisterE;is it true?
606206;1396716715;mikaeldice;I didn't read the article, but a cursory glance at the title ensures me that yes, it must be true.
606207;1396716738;mikaeldice;*assures
606208;1396716772;ellen_degenerate;!dd
606209;1396716784;ellen_degenerate;heh I was looking for dogedice stats
606210;1396717027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0057028 = 0.2851 BTC [+] {6} 
606211;1396717125;kakobrekla;so
606212;1396717134;kakobrekla;nefarios new exchange has shut down before it opened
606213;1396717143;kakobrekla;congrats are in order.
606214;1396717185;danielpbarron;he's still doing stuff?
606215;1396717198;danielpbarron;does the scammer tag mean nothing?
606216;1396717218;kakobrekla;trying to do stuff. no, scammer tag means more biz
606217;1396717319;nubbins`;;;seen mike_c
606218;1396717319;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 hours, 10 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <mike_c> looks like neobeeq has settled in at a 93% drop from suspended price.  another win for havelock.
606219;1396717327;nubbins`;lel.
606220;1396717343;kakobrekla;!t h neobeeq
606221;1396717344;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEEQ] 1D: 0.00000001 / 0.00010486 / 0.00020000 (275859 shares, 28.92529637 BTC), 7D: 0.00000001 / 0.00010486 / 0.00020000 (275859 shares, 28.92529637 BTC), 30D: 0.00000001 / 0.00193918 / 0.00450000 (665368 shares, 1290.27026328 BTC)
606222;1396717362;kakobrekla;!l h neobeeq
606223;1396717362;assbot;Last trade for NEOBEEQ on HAVELOCK was at 0.00012801 BTC [+]
606224;1396717412;Apocalyptic;seriously #bitcoin is painfull to read today...
606225;1396717415;danielpbarron;i don't trust fiat-based business ideas anymore; done with it
606226;1396717422;Apocalyptic;everyone is a quantum crypto expert
606227;1396717434;danielpbarron;lol, hi Apocalyptic
606228;1396717435;Apocalyptic;everyone has an "idea"
606229;1396717451;danielpbarron;hey at least i'm up front about how my "idea" is probably wrong
606230;1396717456;kakobrekla;<danielpbarron> i don't trust fiat-based business ideas anymore; done with it < BAT U GOTSTA DIVERSIFUCK
606231;1396717472;Apocalyptic;danielpbarron, yeah that's a good approach in learning
606232;1396717488;danielpbarron;making a credit/debit card that links to Bitcoin kinda defeats the whole purpose of Bitcoin; i realize that now
606233;1396717496;Apocalyptic;but then don't ruin it by arguing with me what "public key" means
606234;1396717538;thestringpuller;;;seen mike_c
606235;1396717539;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 16 hours, 14 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <mike_c> looks like neobeeq has settled in at a 93% drop from suspended price.  another win for havelock.
606236;1396717542;danielpbarron;(not that I invested in neobee or the like)
606237;1396717556;thestringpuller;;;later tell mike_c eulora wiki is down. /cry
606238;1396717556;gribble;The operation succeeded.
606239;1396717596;danielpbarron;(not that I invest at all, unless holding BTC counts)
606240;1396717669;thestringpuller;invest in yourself? lol
606241;1396717685;kakobrekla;we already discussed that
606242;1396717690;kakobrekla;thats trilema credits.
606243;1396717712;thestringpuller;i have enough trilema credits to last me till mircea has a full head of gray hair
606244;1396717724;kakobrekla;hehe
606245;1396717728;thestringpuller;lol
606246;1396717738;thestringpuller;i should probably just archive all of it
606247;1396717770;thestringpuller;put it on a disc and bury it in my yard in case: apocalypse
606248;1396717798;danielpbarron;his is a clever system, you aren't paying to read the article forever; you're paying for the request to the server (which might happen multiple times per article if you keep going back to re-read)
606249;1396717820;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05497995 = 0.11 BTC [+]
606250;1396717821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00097242 = 30.8257 BTC [+]
606251;1396717831;thestringpuller;yes if you want nice things you have to pay for them
606252;1396717840;thestringpuller;like the electricity and bandwidth trilema consumes lol
606253;1396717858;thestringpuller;(and vodka, and other various drugs)
606254;1396717866;danielpbarron;i'm not complaining; I like the system very much
606255;1396717879;MisterE;no ads?
606256;1396717879;danielpbarron;most articles that are free to read usually suck anyway
606257;1396717916;danielpbarron;which should come as no surprise to anyone with even a tenuous understanding of economics
606258;1396717927;thestringpuller;MisterE: i assume no need for ads if you have a paywall
606259;1396717953;MisterE;yea, just asking because my hosts file blocks most I never know
606260;1396717963;MisterE;extension gets the stragglers heh
606261;1396717967;thestringpuller;lol
606262;1396717994;danielpbarron;i would so much rather pay per article then bother with ad-blocking
606263;1396718011;MisterE;yea I planned to buy some credits
606264;1396718017;MisterE;soon
606265;1396718019;danielpbarron;it's worth it
606266;1396718028;danielpbarron;buy them while they are still cheap
606267;1396718030;MisterE;Im in fiat atm except cold storage
606268;1396718071;danielpbarron;before Bitcoin, i would have said the opposite to all that
606269;1396718081;danielpbarron;prefer ads to paywall etc
606270;1396718091;MisterE;you kow what I agree
606271;1396718095;danielpbarron;but that's because FIAT SUCKS
606272;1396718098;MisterE;I prefer btc paywall
606273;1396718110;pankkake;I wouldn't have an issue with a global paywall. if I have to register to every website, fuck it
606274;1396718115;MisterE;happily pay to read ars and the sites I like
606275;1396718117;danielpbarron;i don't want to give some stranger my credit card number to read an article
606276;1396718120;pankkake;I guess bitcoin makes it a bit simpler
606277;1396718145;cgcardona_;yea one of the biggest things that's changed in my perception since regularly using btc is how fucked it feels to give a stranger my credit card info.
606278;1396718157;MisterE;lol right
606279;1396718167;danielpbarron;srsly
606280;1396718169;MisterE;and you pay dearly for that privledge
606281;1396718170;pankkake;you rarely do that though. it's paypal or some bank credit card processor
606282;1396718179;MisterE;fucking swipe fees merchant fees
606283;1396718186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
606284;1396718187;cgcardona_;even at restaraunts
606285;1396718189;MisterE;processor fees
606286;1396718210;MisterE;international tx fees FFS!
606287;1396718239;danielpbarron;fees aside, why does a 3rd party have to be involved at all? They can block the trade or get the state involved
606288;1396718244;cgcardona_;$5.00 minimum payments at gas stations etc have been making me buy double the crap I want for years
606289;1396718247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05497995 = 0.11 BTC [+]
606290;1396718249;danielpbarron;that's why Bitcoin
606291;1396718266;cgcardona_;try to grab a tea and chips "oh sorry it has to be $5." "ok just double the order"
606292;1396718267;MisterE;I'm in Bangkok and want money in the US in 5 min
606293;1396718273;cgcardona_;guess I should carry more cash >_<
606294;1396718308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
606295;1396718312;danielpbarron;yeah i'm always paying in cash and answering "no" to "want a receipt?"
606296;1396718449;cgcardona_;damn the difficulty jump yesterday was intense http://bitcoindifficulty.com/
606297;1396718462;cgcardona_;maybe assbot has an api for showing the difficulty. i'm not sure
606298;1396718470;cgcardona_;!help
606299;1396718470;assbot;List of commands:
606300;1396718471;assbot;!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
606301;1396718472;assbot;!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
606302;1396718473;assbot;!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
606303;1396718474;assbot;!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
606304;1396718475;assbot;!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
606305;1396718476;assbot;!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
606306;1396718477;assbot;!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
606307;1396718478;assbot;!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
606308;1396718486;cgcardona_;hmmm. !ticker
606309;1396718493;cgcardona_;!ticker
606310;1396718493;assbot;The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
606311;1396718501;cgcardona_;interesting :)
606312;1396718520;cgcardona_;maybe I have to pay btc to get access to more than 5 assbot commands per day?
606313;1396718523;cgcardona_;;-]
606314;1396718549;thestringpuller;;;estimate
606315;1396718550;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | 6966233925.09 based on data since last change | 6959577195.63 based on data for last three days
606316;1396718553;cgcardona_;ah nice
606317;1396718554;punkman;you can play with the bots in private too
606318;1396718567;cgcardona_;ah yes good point. I don't mean to spam the channel. sorry bout that
606319;1396718568;punkman;!t h rent
606320;1396718569;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (838 shares, 6.28500000 BTC), 7D: 0.00610000 / 0.00744584 / 0.00750000 (18267 shares, 136.01321414 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00626078 / 0.00900001 (53882 shares, 337.34351440 BTC)
606321;1396718605;MisterE;$9 mil ouch  http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2337930/windows-xp-thrown-last-minute-lifeline-with-gbp55m-uk-government-deal
606322;1396718857;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 175 @ 0.00088842 = 0.1555 BTC [+] {3} 
606323;1396718878;punkman;found the most delicious sheep's milk today, non-homogenized, 6% fat, and doesn't smell like sheep ass
606324;1396718896;MisterE;non ass milk++
606325;1396718897;punkman;I really prefer sheep/goat to cow milk, but can't find any consistent supply
606326;1396718901;MisterE;make cheese?
606327;1396718907;MisterE;goat is my fav
606328;1396718909;MisterE;very cold
606329;1396718918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05458399 = 0.2729 BTC [+] {3} 
606330;1396718919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 550 @ 0.00088844 = 0.4886 BTC [+]
606331;1396718922;MisterE;that goat cheese is the bomb too
606332;1396718925;danielpbarron;i live down the road from some neighbors who have goats
606333;1396718939;punkman;I live on an island full of sheep and goats
606334;1396718944;MisterE;hell they are yummy to eat too
606335;1396718945;punkman;the cheese is consistently good
606336;1396718969;wywialm;;;later tell bitcoinpete I've read your deflation article. Do you believe that 1) prices may be downward rigid? 2) wages may be downward rigid? If yes, what is the impact on these in a substantially deflationary regime?
606337;1396718969;gribble;The operation succeeded.
606338;1396718975;danielpbarron;they let me milk one of the goats too
606339;1396718979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 600 @ 0.00017736 = 0.1064 BTC [+]
606340;1396719005;danielpbarron;that's in past tense; i don't go back there (they are a false church)
606341;1396719012;punkman;I should move further away from the city and get my own goat
606342;1396719040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.04530615 = 0.589 BTC [-] {5} 
606343;1396719101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03642999 = 0.1457 BTC [-] {4} 
606344;1396719167;danielpbarron;i want to sell shares to my friends and family to start a garden on my yard (to try out managing profit/loss and paying dividends)
606345;1396719233;punkman;how much of a garden are you thinking?
606346;1396719239;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: that's not a bad idea
606347;1396719243;danielpbarron;something small
606348;1396719252;thestringpuller;how would you sell the product from the garden?
606349;1396719256;thestringpuller;what is your distribution channel?
606350;1396719261;thestringpuller;farmers market?
606351;1396719266;punkman;they come pick it up
606352;1396719276;thestringpuller;oh interesting
606353;1396719288;thestringpuller;people invest in the garden and then get lifetime supply of stuff grown
606354;1396719291;thestringpuller;BRILLIANT
606355;1396719292;danielpbarron;i would sell to myself and those who invested
606356;1396719304;danielpbarron;it's just for practice
606357;1396719311;mikaeldice;Even the neighbors with the false church?
606358;1396719314;danielpbarron;no
606359;1396719343;danielpbarron;heh i literally mean like 3 or 4 individuals
606360;1396719344;mikaeldice;What about atheists and buddhists?
606361;1396719347;danielpbarron;including myself
606362;1396719378;danielpbarron;i've always wanted to grow my own food but i'm never motivated enough to do it
606363;1396719397;punkman;farming's hard work for most people
606364;1396719407;danielpbarron;i wouldn't sell to anyone outside as that would attract state attention
606365;1396719422;thestringpuller;lol punkman http://trilema.com/2014/scam-flavour-of-the-day-bitcoinshopus-aka-hotel-management-systems-inc-tucn/ - has that been discussed yet?
606366;1396719472;mikaeldice;hum..  My phone powers on the screen to tell me it's low on power.  Something's wrong there.
606367;1396719577;twizt;lol companies cant go public without being in here?
606368;1396719622;punkman;thestringpuller: it's not worth much discussion, just another scam penny stock, just caught my eye because they changed their ticker to BTCS
606369;1396719650;danielpbarron;twizt: ya
606370;1396719683;danielpbarron;twizt: legic companies can't
606371;1396719687;twizt;sounds like a weird barrier
606372;1396719714;twizt;so ebay cant accept bitcoins anymore? needs a wot acct/
606373;1396719716;punkman;incidentally, I was searching for "BTCS" because some scamchange lost 50,000 "BTCS", and BTCS turns out to be BTC-sCrypt
606374;1396719726;twizt;lol
606375;1396719737;danielpbarron;legit*   what sounds weird is investing in a stranger who took no time to familiarize himself with the community that has built the Bitcoin economy
606376;1396719748;twizt;where do i sign up to be ebays fulltime #bitcoin-assets rep?
606377;1396719772;twizt;im in here all the time, might as well get paid
606378;1396719774;punkman;twizt, you work at ebay?
606379;1396719792;danielpbarron;eBay doesn't need to WoT because they are already trusted
606380;1396719795;twizt;nah but if they wanna pay me 90k to idle here
606381;1396719797;twizt;i will
606382;1396719797;danielpbarron;you aren't eBay
606383;1396719850;twizt;so what happens when a wot business becomes a scam?
606384;1396719863;twizt;do people bitch less or more?
606385;1396719875;danielpbarron;"becomes?"
606386;1396719886;punkman;the wot doesn't make decisions for you
606387;1396719894;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 77 @ 0.08299776 = 6.3908 BTC [-] {3} 
606388;1396719895;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 750 @ 0.00014798 = 0.111 BTC [-] {2} 
606389;1396719929;twizt;becomes = > ie really ends up being a scam
606390;1396719939;danielpbarron;right, as in, it was always a scam
606391;1396719949;thestringpuller;twizt: this happens: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=aethero
606392;1396719972;thestringpuller;sort by rating
606393;1396719980;twizt;whats stops that guy from coming back thestringpuller
606394;1396720008;thestringpuller;he can never use that handle again
606395;1396720011;thestringpuller;or that gpg key
606396;1396720016;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00014994 = 0.1499 BTC [+] {6} 
606397;1396720018;danielpbarron;there is a demand for scammers and individuals like that simply supply it
606398;1396720020;thestringpuller;he could start anew, turning over a new leaf
606399;1396720035;thestringpuller;but then what happens when we find out the new person is actually an old known scammer?
606400;1396720047;twizt;and how is being unable to use handle or gpg key preventing anything?
606401;1396720055;thestringpuller;because trust is everything
606402;1396720070;danielpbarron;twizt: do you trust anybody?
606403;1396720071;thestringpuller;3 years of building trust takes forever
606404;1396720100;twizt;well if they are taking 500+ bitcoins everytime
606405;1396720109;twizt;better than minimum wage job right?
606406;1396720115;danielpbarron;heh, unless my math is wrong here.. i think it would take exactly 3 years, thestringpuller
606407;1396720147;danielpbarron;twizt: if you can pull then off then by all means, do it
606408;1396720161;danielpbarron;that* ugh
606409;1396720182;thestringpuller;scamming isn't really a good business model
606410;1396720183;twizt;nah i dont have the patience to be a sociopath
606411;1396720214;danielpbarron;if you think 500 BTC is a lot....
606412;1396720222;thestringpuller;some people are willing to tarnish their WoT reputation, but that makes the non scammers that much more trustworthy
606413;1396720228;twizt;losing my trust is not worth 500+ bitcoins
606414;1396720230;kakobrekla;twbt wot is a tool, like a map, it wont do the job by itself, you have to know how to read it, then it helps.
606415;1396720237;kakobrekla;twizt
606416;1396720248;thestringpuller;twizt: exactly
606417;1396720262;twizt;i think u misread
606418;1396720283;twizt;who cares how long someone has trust
606419;1396720297;twizt;if that 1 time they fuck up after 3 years
606420;1396720320;danielpbarron;all the trust in the world doesn't make up for woefully incompetent business plans, which describes almost all Bitcoin scams
606421;1396720352;twizt;my bet would be against the most 'trustworthy'
606422;1396720364;twizt;ttfu
606423;1396720368;twizt;time till fuck up
606424;1396720382;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.08295533 = 0.5807 BTC [+] {3} 
606425;1396720419;punkman;that's why you don't invest in people that are trying to pump&dump reputation at BTCJam
606426;1396720430;danielpbarron;there are escrows and hedges and bla bla; yeah someone can have a change of heart and run with the money, but if you planned correctly there should be contingency plans
606427;1396720442;twizt;if wot had peoples names and addresses
606428;1396720444;twizt;secued
606429;1396720450;twizt;and only doxed on fuck up
606430;1396720461;twizt;then maybe i see y wot would be great
606431;1396720468;twizt;secured*
606432;1396720478;danielpbarron;because those things can't be forged..
606433;1396720479;kakobrekla;you are delirious
606434;1396720506;kakobrekla;http://dcm6srpdb0rbc.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Guz8r.png
606435;1396720508;kakobrekla;go get him tiger.
606436;1396720512;twizt;yea but we cant have that now right, cuz people gotta stay anon lol
606437;1396720520;twizt;sorry for delirium8
606438;1396720524;*;danielpbarron slaps twizt
606439;1396720565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
606440;1396720566;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3265 @ 0.00014999 = 0.4897 BTC [-] {3} 
606441;1396720577;kakobrekla;btw twizt many people in the wot dont hide their identities, including me.
606442;1396720578;Namworld;That's not too far from me on my IDs. When I had long hair that is.
606443;1396720586;twizt;thats good kakobrekla
606444;1396720590;danielpbarron;or me (nick is real name)
606445;1396720595;Namworld;I now cut my hair short.
606446;1396720611;thestringpuller;alberto?
606447;1396720615;thestringpuller;the btc day trade guy?
606448;1396720619;thestringpuller;@ kakobrekla
606449;1396720626;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1308 @ 0.00015 = 0.1962 BTC [+] {3} 
606450;1396720635;kakobrekla;labcoin, bitdaytrade, btcrebate ,... you name it
606451;1396720646;kakobrekla;also iirc kronos.io
606452;1396720657;kakobrekla;and two non btc scams before that
606453;1396720672;kakobrekla;at least.
606454;1396720687;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3692 @ 0.00015 = 0.5538 BTC [+]
606455;1396720688;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.0858 = 0.1716 BTC [+]
606456;1396720700;Apocalyptic;guy seems to have a nice track record
606457;1396720704;thestringpuller;damn son
606458;1396720718;danielpbarron;heh, dr. whatshisface negged kakobrekla; that's a positive in my book
606459;1396720737;kakobrekla;ah, dr foreskin
606460;1396720749;danielpbarron;lol
606461;1396720754;Apocalyptic;;;gettrust kakobrekla
606462;1396720755;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Apocalyptic to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 8 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Apocalyptic&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011
606463;1396720762;danielpbarron;reading that guy's bio is a riot
606464;1396720788;kakobrekla;hehe
606465;1396720799;Apocalyptic;nice profile kako, not one neg
606466;1396720813;kakobrekla;heh
606467;1396720835;Apocalyptic;even Usagi rated you +3
606468;1396720883;kakobrekla;well, i had a short contract with him very early on. he paid ok.
606469;1396720937;kakobrekla;but iirc i removed the rating to him later on
606470;1396720948;kakobrekla;when thingy got fucked.
606471;1396720952;kakobrekla;things*
606472;1396720985;kakobrekla;but yeah, he lost, had to swallow a big loss and he did.
606473;1396721542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
606474;1396721544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.04806131 = 1.9225 BTC [-] {6} 
606475;1396721785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0347 = 0.1388 BTC [-]
606476;1396721846;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [+]
606477;1396721847;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0347 = 0.1388 BTC [-]
606478;1396722212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 115 @ 0.0008884 = 0.1022 BTC [-]
606479;1396722213;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00035241 = 0.1057 BTC [+]
606480;1396722275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05479908 = 0.2192 BTC [+]
606481;1396722457;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-]
606482;1396722517;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.08299776 = 0.498 BTC [-] {2} 
606483;1396722761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2846 @ 0.00097242 = 2.7675 BTC [+]
606484;1396722883;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 980 @ 0.00017733 = 0.1738 BTC [+]
606485;1396722884;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00015 = 0.3 BTC [+]
606486;1396723005;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.58018111 = 2.9009 BTC [-] {5} 
606487;1396723067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00097591 = 12.1989 BTC [+]
606488;1396723129;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0075 = 0.45 BTC [+]
606489;1396723633;MisterE;wow, http://imgur.com/gallery/fOiLd
606490;1396723676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7573 @ 0.00097591 = 7.3906 BTC [+]
606491;1396723859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05479902 = 0.1644 BTC [-] {2} 
606492;1396723860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0348 = 0.1044 BTC [+] {2} 
606493;1396724103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 901 @ 0.00015 = 0.1352 BTC [+]
606494;1396724225;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
606495;1396725079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00097092 = 11.5539 BTC [-]
606496;1396725689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
606497;1396725797;Mats_cd03;If i bought s.mpoe this month would i see dividends in the following period considering the outsized payment in march
606498;1396725843;jurov;Mats_cd03: did you actually read the reports?
606499;1396726482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00553528 = 0.2823 BTC [-] {3} 
606500;1396726543;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00550358 = 0.1926 BTC [-] {3} 
606501;1396726665;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58010001 BTC [-]
606502;1396727031;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-] {2} 
606503;1396727214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.0001978 = 0.1978 BTC [+]
606504;1396727240;Mats_cd03;yes
606505;1396727275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 6010 @ 0.00019833 = 1.192 BTC [+] {3} 
606506;1396727397;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.04998438 = 0.5998 BTC [+] {2} 
606507;1396727458;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00019999 = 0.4 BTC [+] {2} 
606508;1396727519;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4000 @ 0.00019999 = 0.8 BTC [+] {2} 
606509;1396727580;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3000 @ 0.00019999 = 0.6 BTC [+]
606510;1396727824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00096878 = 2.422 BTC [-]
606511;1396727885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 15 @ 0.0075 = 0.1125 BTC [+]
606512;1396727908;jurov;Mats_cd03: so why did you think s.mpoe is going to stop paying divs?
606513;1396728023;Mats_cd03;i read something in here suggesting that was the case
606514;1396728378;jurov;that would be properly announced on trilema and amply discussed
606515;1396728739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 3807 @ 0.0000792 = 0.3015 BTC [-]
606516;1396728740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.01160999 = 0.1277 BTC [-] {2} 
606517;1396728741;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 76 @ 0.00146083 = 0.111 BTC [-] {2} 
606518;1396729410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
606519;1396730630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0499844 = 0.2499 BTC [+]
606520;1396731484;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1330 @ 0.00019998 = 0.266 BTC [+] {2} 
606521;1396732094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10229 @ 0.00096334 = 9.854 BTC [-] {2} 
606522;1396732923;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/EQcLPHH
606523;1396732924;nubbins`;and
606524;1396732924;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
606525;1396732966;thestringpuller;damn
606526;1396732976;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/IQ5blcV
606527;1396732976;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
606528;1396733023;nubbins`;that's pretty much my past 24 hours right there
606529;1396733039;nubbins`;now, a quick power nap before the album release show where all this shit is being sold
606530;1396733119;thestringpuller;it should all be burned
606531;1396733122;thestringpuller;like an effigy!
606532;1396733125;thestringpuller;BURN IT TO THE GROUND
606533;1396733134;thestringpuller;;;calc 100/483
606534;1396733134;gribble;0.207039337474
606535;1396733253;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5250 @ 0.00019998 = 1.0499 BTC [+] {3} 
606536;1396733350;truffles;take off the blue animal thing improves that one
606537;1396733355;truffles;burn the others
606538;1396733558;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03529999 = 0.1059 BTC [+]
606539;1396735448;*;nubbins` carefully writes down comments and buries them in a small hole in the backyard
606540;1396735454;nubbins`;THANKS FOR THE INPUT GUISE
606541;1396735478;truffles;burn it with the other stuff
606542;1396735514;truffles;it looks like clutter though, just trying to help out
606543;1396735621;nubbins`;noted. it looks the way it looks on purpose :D
606544;1396735641;truffles;i c that
606545;1396735663;nubbins`;fun fact, the blue is actually the original
606546;1396735665;truffles;id like em better as 2 separate works
606547;1396735763;truffles;u save on ink too :D
606548;1396735967;jurov;seems truffles needs dick surgery
606549;1396735988;nubbins`;^
606550;1396736007;truffles;why does it need to be shredded
606551;1396736181;nubbins`;coffee-beer-smokables-music
606552;1396736183;nubbins`;peace
606553;1396736215;benkay;;;later tell nubbins` sounds like a great day
606554;1396736215;gribble;The operation succeeded.
606555;1396736726;benkay;i'll just squeeze this beer: http://pitchlandia.com/faq/
606556;1396736745;benkay;"20 startups make their pitch. The crowd makes its choices. The top 10 startups receive equal funding."
606557;1396738499;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 23 @ 0.04998894 = 1.1497 BTC [+] {2} 
606558;1396738500;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.03473478 = 0.7989 BTC [-] {2} 
606559;1396740294;benkay;22 years old, significant fraction of btc on deposit at bitstamp, engineer at facebook, can't diddle his dollas: http://rasmuzen.com/bitstamp
606560;1396740414;kakobrekla;theres several issues here
606561;1396740424;kakobrekla;idiot customers and idiot service provider
606562;1396740444;kakobrekla;the result, well, there it is.
606563;1396740512;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 141 @ 0.00344001 = 0.485 BTC [-]
606564;1396740634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 138 @ 0.00342792 = 0.4731 BTC [-] {5} 
606565;1396740817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.05 = 1.5 BTC [+]
606566;1396743135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00096753 = 10.3042 BTC [+]
606567;1396743745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00096753 = 8.1756 BTC [+]
606568;1396744148;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
606569;1396744149;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 460.96, Best ask: 463.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.04000, Last trade: 463.0, 24 hour volume: 6528.94404985, 24 hour low: 441.25, 24 hour high: 465.0, 24 hour vwap: 452.917999845
606570;1396744223;mircea_popescu;s.mg report incoming with apologies for teh delay
606571;1396744230;mircea_popescu;apparently scheduled posts dun work for some reason.
606572;1396744538;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 569 @ 0.00017901 = 0.1019 BTC [-]
606573;1396744908;asciilifeform;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-05/abn-amro-ex-ceo-found-dead
606574;1396744909;ozbot;ABN Amro Ex-CEO Found Dead | Zero Hedge
606575;1396744912;mircea_popescu;jurov you know, enforcing boundaries has little to do with despising. a man may plow with six oxen, and may not sleep with oxen in his bed.
606576;1396744921;mircea_popescu;doesn't mean he despises the beasts nao.
606577;1396744931;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the bodies getting bigger...
606578;1396744967;asciilifeform;this promises to end like that folk tale - the executioner is ordered to chop his own head.
606579;1396744984;mircea_popescu;last banker up turn off the lights.
606580;1396745270;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 34 @ 0.08299776 = 2.8219 BTC [-] {3} 
606581;1396745321;mircea_popescu;from the fucktarded "advertisments" on zero hedge :
606582;1396745322;mircea_popescu;"A Long Time Product Tester Revels the Secrets to Getting FREE Products"
606583;1396745467;kakobrekla;by being a whore. nuttin new.
606584;1396745483;mircea_popescu;revels/reveals is the butt :D
606585;1396745497;kakobrekla;ah i only skimmed
606586;1396745514;kakobrekla;nondiLigently.
606587;1396745531;mircea_popescu;lol
606588;1396745805;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla just for that i pulled up the only twelve or so pages where i had misspelled it and FIXED IT
606589;1396745807;mircea_popescu;so now you got NOTHING
606590;1396745809;mircea_popescu;HA!
606591;1396745823;kakobrekla;:D
606592;1396745970;kakobrekla;btw that template you sent me last time still had it fyi.
606593;1396746042;mircea_popescu;omfg haters gonna haet
606594;1396746063;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58012171 BTC [+]
606595;1396746065;kakobrekla;lolk, ill stop
606596;1396746076;bounce;hatters gonna hat
606597;1396746085;mircea_popescu;i think ima just negrate the dictionary till they fix it my way.
606598;1396746092;kakobrekla;heheh
606599;1396746117;mircea_popescu;i'm not eeven the only oine btw, for some reason dill is fucking popular with finance people.
606600;1396746140;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html < grep
606601;1396746141;ozbot;ArsDigita:  From Start-Up to Bust-Up
606602;1396746227;kakobrekla;yeah dunno whats up with that, havent seen pornstars go googling for 'dilldo'
606603;1396746281;mircea_popescu;it's from all the pickles.
606604;1396746312;mircea_popescu;so who's this cgcardona fellow
606605;1396746387;kakobrekla;?
606606;1396746417;mircea_popescu;i dunno, some hawaiian from teh logs.
606607;1396746432;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: congrats are in order. << ty.
606608;1396746490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00096313 = 3.4191 BTC [-]
606609;1396746497;kakobrekla;dont tell me you talked to doog ? :D
606610;1396746511;mircea_popescu;this was about nefario.
606611;1396746526;kakobrekla;yea but doog stopped coding it
606612;1396746530;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron:
606613;1396746530;mircea_popescu;his is a clever system, you aren't paying to read the article forever; you're paying for the request to the server (which might happen multiple times per article if you keep going back to re-read) << actuallyt, you can reload the article x times and it won't cut further credits.
606614;1396746531;kakobrekla;thats why everything is on halt
606615;1396746534;kakobrekla;afaik
606616;1396746537;mircea_popescu;heh.
606617;1396746603;mircea_popescu;pankkake: I wouldn't have an issue with a global paywall. if I have to register to every website, fuck it << this man hates freedom!
606618;1396746648;pankkake;I regreted what I wrote but - I mean an easy to use service to pay by the page
606619;1396746658;mircea_popescu;holy hell 20% ? we're at 6bn ?!
606620;1396746684;mircea_popescu;pankkake in a mid to long term perspective i suspect the trilema system may actually work
606621;1396746706;mircea_popescu;as more worthwhile sites implement it eventually you'd prolly have a centralizer site, select all you want from there
606622;1396746724;mircea_popescu;then it micropays for you as needed
606623;1396746734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00096492 = 1.5439 BTC [+]
606624;1396746748;mircea_popescu;,d
606625;1396746749;mircea_popescu;.d
606626;1396746749;ozbot;6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1926 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.3495% in 12d 8h 35m 10s
606627;1396746756;mircea_popescu;insane.
606628;1396746832;mircea_popescu;Crown Commercial Service (CCS) -  a new cabinet office department that handles public sector purcasing and commercial operations - said in a statement, "By combining demand, on behalf of Central Government departments and the wider public sector, Crown Commercial Service has demonstrated the benefits of government working as a single customer to achieve best value for the taxpayer, whilst continuing to build good worki
606629;1396746832;mircea_popescu;ng relationships with our technology suppliers."
606630;1396746844;mircea_popescu;this is what the uk comissariat imagines buying more xp means.
606631;1396746854;mircea_popescu;my mind's well boggled.
606632;1396746932;mircea_popescu;punkman: farming's hard work for most people << not harder than a good workout at the gym. except instead of paying for membership, you get paid.
606633;1396746955;mircea_popescu;twizt: lol companies cant go public without being in here? < not successfuly, no.
606634;1396747010;mircea_popescu;and you know, talk to them bout repping, why not.
606635;1396747066;mike_c;i was a big admirer of philip greenspun.  i attended one of arsdigita's classes in boston.  reading that article makes me sick.
606636;1396747105;mircea_popescu;mike_c he sounds quite admirable, especially when he's doing the narration. third parties... well more of a mixed bag.
606637;1396747151;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla ahh that bitdaytrade thing was epic.
606638;1396747169;mircea_popescu;possibly my favourite incompetence story in the history of btc. that and the early polish dudes.
606639;1396747271;kakobrekla;i dont think i ever saw code as bad as that btw
606640;1396747301;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 were you thinking of the bitbet overpay last month ?
606641;1396747333;kakobrekla;the amt of coin aa managed to fuck up is amazing
606642;1396747333;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
606643;1396747334;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla dude are you kidding me ? mysql/php exchange, with mysql_insert(straight-get-reference)
606644;1396747353;mircea_popescu;it was beyond the believable, it literally said, "take the string from the url and put it in the db as is"
606645;1396747442;joecool;sounds legit
606646;1396747459;mircea_popescu;just absolutely incredible, i mean people may occasionally get the idea that their car doesn't need gasoline to run, not really. so they run it on whatever, toluene
606647;1396747468;mircea_popescu;hair spray, moonshine
606648;1396747480;mircea_popescu;but to actually try to use a mixture of sugar and quick setting cement as fuel ?!
606649;1396747499;joecool;i dunno, i used grease once and it worked ok
606650;1396747541;mircea_popescu;was it made by john deere ?
606651;1396747567;joecool;people said it sounded like it was, VW made it
606652;1396747589;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/6fRBitc.jpg this looks pretty workable.
606653;1396747649;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.034634 = 0.5195 BTC [-] {2} 
606654;1396748137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00096421 = 8.8707 BTC [-]
606655;1396748442;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00019997 = 0.2 BTC [+] {3} 
606656;1396748462;MisterE;sounds like CCS was set up just to offload the blame for that retarded $9mil USD XP support contract.
606657;1396748601;mircea_popescu;possible.
606658;1396748613;mircea_popescu;not the first time the 51st state is used for a sort of current day new jersey
606659;1396748845;joecool;dirty jerz
606660;1396748933;mircea_popescu;"Let's not succumb to this collectivist Eastern Europe sucks mentality. Eastern Europe is not the issue here. Best Bitcoin exchange Bitstamp is operated from Slovenia and second best, BTC-e is run from Bulgaria."
606661;1396748946;mircea_popescu;see kakobrekla ? eastern europe is not the issue here.
606662;1396749012;kakobrekla;heh
606663;1396749102;mircea_popescu;The committee also criticises the Daily Mail and The Daily Telegraphfor placing “heavy reliance . . . on the ability of their readers to distinguish between fact and opinion on climate science”.
606664;1396749126;mircea_popescu;it's kinda funny that just as bitcoin organises one end of the spectrum towards individualism,
606665;1396749138;mircea_popescu;teh state is getting increasingly more collectivist too.
606666;1396749162;mircea_popescu;i guess to no-one's surprise.
606667;1396750028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00096449 = 1.0609 BTC [+]
606668;1396750150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 842 @ 0.00018125 = 0.1526 BTC [-] {2} 
606669;1396750211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03461 = 0.2769 BTC [-]
606670;1396750212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.05110001 = 0.5621 BTC [+] {2} 
606671;1396750699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1500 @ 0.00019998 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2} 
606672;1396750810;cryptolemming;Evening / morning, Mircea mind if I ask what became of the SEC situation, did they simply leave it be or leave it with some element of threat to return?  was an interesting situation.
606673;1396750826;cazalla;omg those romanians.. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/video-granny-spinning-gang-target-3377078
606674;1396750943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6108 @ 0.00096444 = 5.8908 BTC [-] {2} 
606675;1396751157;mircea_popescu;cryptolemming nothing really.
606676;1396751185;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't be political to issue threats in any case. i guess they didn't get what they wanted and are considering their options.
606677;1396751291;cryptolemming;can't help but assume the attention will begin to trickle down to entities such as just-dice, don't know enough to know if they'd even really care about something so relatively small.
606678;1396751441;mircea_popescu;tbh, it'd seem the vast majority of the internet population is sorely legally illiterate and otherwise quite psychotic.
606679;1396751492;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05010663 = 0.5011 BTC [-] {4} 
606680;1396751580;mircea_popescu;sec is just trying to find its place in this new world, it's just common sense they'd come to talk to me about it.
606681;1396751586;mircea_popescu;i have no idea what all the panic is all about.
606682;1396751599;cryptolemming;panic?
606683;1396751674;mircea_popescu;well yes.
606684;1396751680;cryptolemming;it does make sense they'd talk to you about it yeah
606685;1396751717;cryptolemming;haven't noticed much panic, although haven't spent much time here either, everything seems fine otherwise
606686;1396751747;mircea_popescu;"with some element of threat" ; " the attention will begin to trickle down", to not even go into teh forum reddit etc.
606687;1396751765;mircea_popescu;you'd think fort sumter was fired on last week.
606688;1396751797;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.04871969 = 0.9257 BTC [-] {5} 
606689;1396751802;cryptolemming;really, guess the wording was a bit strong
606690;1396751820;mircea_popescu;but anyway!
606691;1396751845;chetty;just a lot of nuts out to pump the drama
606692;1396751888;cryptolemming;seems like a lot of artifical extensions are being made from a couple slightly although subjectively perceived over-dramatic words
606693;1396751923;cryptolemming;curious about sec, was an interesting situation, curious about jd, launching something similar soon from a not-so-friendly jurisdiction, it's just chatter
606694;1396751967;cryptolemming;i don't think there's anything to worry about
606695;1396752020;cryptolemming;can explore topics neutrally, nm though sure
606696;1396752022;mircea_popescu;what's jd launching ?
606697;1396752041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05349988 = 0.8025 BTC [+] {2} 
606698;1396752109;cryptolemming;nothing afaik, I'm launching something similar, these topics are thus more interesting atm
606699;1396752136;cryptolemming;not really all that interesting though, so nm
606700;1396752330;mircea_popescu;you're launching something similar to what, jd ?
606701;1396752369;cryptolemming;in the sense that we are allowing bankrollers yes, and offering a game of chance
606702;1396752468;mircea_popescu;aha
606703;1396752519;kakobrekla;;;later tell mike_c http://bit4x.com/panacea/history/
606704;1396752519;gribble;The operation succeeded.
606705;1396752529;mike_c;awesome!
606706;1396752551;kakobrekla;also spam has found your blog again :>
606707;1396752580;mike_c;at least someone is commenting.
606708;1396752584;kakobrekla;:D
606709;1396752624;kakobrekla;anyway the last parameter there will tell you the relative size of the trade
606710;1396752936;BCB;http://puu.sh/7XF8m.jpg
606711;1396753049;kakobrekla;basically it tells you the effective leverage for the trade
606712;1396753398;cryptolemming;aha?
606713;1396753627;ThickAsThieves;my post on "Narcotic Checkpoints" is now the hottest thing in the Facebook community page
606714;1396753655;ThickAsThieves;moderators are asking if i can move it to a "rants" area now that it has 150 posts and is dominating the feed
606715;1396753687;ThickAsThieves;"I'm no longer commenting on the dumbest topic I've heard in my life! This is ignorant! One day you will need the police for something and I hope they are not there to help you! You don't deserve the kindness that they put out in the community everyday! Go to court, hire a lawyer do whatever you want but plez post what happens when they laugh you out of there!"
606716;1396753727;ThickAsThieves;upon inspection of her page, there is a baby photo, wearin a Sheriff badge
606717;1396753748;ThickAsThieves;i'll probably be harassed anywhere i go now...
606718;1396753760;iamnot_;facebook community page?
606719;1396753782;ThickAsThieves;yeah we have a group thingie in facebook
606720;1396753787;ThickAsThieves;that the community uses
606721;1396753796;ThickAsThieves;mostly to ask fro plumber recommendations n shit
606722;1396753801;iamnot_;lol
606723;1396753898;ThickAsThieves;i replied "I do appreciate officers and their service. The law is an ever-evolving thing, with precedents and incidents defining its meaning constantly. I'm not calling them evil, but I am saying that NCs might be out of bounds. Your malice towards me is unfortunate, as no matter how much I we disagree, I do hope someone is there to help you anytime you may need it."
606724;1396753921;ThickAsThieves;to which she says (remember she's done commenting!) "I'm sure they will definitely be there to help me! Unfortunately they can't pick and choose who they help....I'm sure you would be on the NO help list!"
606725;1396753941;ThickAsThieves;admittedly this hostility came after I linked her to https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikihow.com%2FUse-There%2C-Their-and-They%27re&ei=E8ZAU76RAY-wsAT4hYHYAw&usg=AFQjCNFUDz_wqUzyiVCDFekwBoaqO20NWQ&sig2=0XULb0AYQMcseS7VzgO9Rg&bvm=bv.64125504,d.cWc
606726;1396753945;ThickAsThieves;oops,
606727;1396753950;ThickAsThieves;http://www.wikihow.com/Use-There,-Their-and-They're
606728;1396753951;ozbot;How to Use There, Their and They're (with Examples) - wikiHow
606729;1396754420;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03793947 = 0.2656 BTC [+] {3} 
606730;1396754422;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0474 = 0.237 BTC [-]
606731;1396754786;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.05250018 = 0.5775 BTC [-] {2} 
606732;1396754791;mike_c;kakobrekla: ah, cool about the leverage.  is there a delay on it?
606733;1396754847;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.05315774 = 1.3821 BTC [+] {3} 
606734;1396754898;kakobrekla;theres a few things i must finish to make it completely automagic, after that trades will show as soon as they are closed (refreshed every 10 min or so)
606735;1396754908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.05339999 = 0.6408 BTC [+] {2} 
606736;1396754910;mike_c;nice
606737;1396754969;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05367749 = 0.3221 BTC [+] {2} 
606738;1396755153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4969 @ 0.0001809 = 0.8989 BTC [-] {10} 
606739;1396755166;moiety;mew
606740;1396755169;moiety;http://rt.com/news/pakistan-baby-attempted-murder-577/
606741;1396755213;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00096421 = 22.2733 BTC [-]
606742;1396755274;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60699998 BTC [+]
606743;1396755632;mircea_popescu;poor tat, causing trouble wherever he goes because he's a mp sock
606744;1396755724;MisterE;http://42coin.org/news/peercover-features-42coin-exchange/
606745;1396755725;ozbot;Peercover features 42Coin Exchange | 42 Coin – Official News
606746;1396755790;mircea_popescu;"Have you ever wanted to trade your Crypto Currencies against GOLD, SILVER, Platinum? Now you can"
606747;1396755792;moiety;mircea_popescu: anyone having their own opinion tends to be sock-accused in my experience
606748;1396755796;chetty;ThickAsThieves, a usual case of worship 'authority', never question
606749;1396755798;mircea_popescu;yeah totally. couldn't before, since about 2011
606750;1396755823;kakobrekla;everyone is the first and the biggest.
606751;1396755847;mircea_popescu;i guess "the first and biggest" sounds better than "the derpiest and cluelessest"
606752;1396755859;*;kakobrekla googles
606753;1396755861;kakobrekla;it does.
606754;1396755862;MisterE;or the "world's premiere site for foo"
606755;1396755872;kakobrekla;haha
606756;1396755881;mircea_popescu;i think that's premier
606757;1396755883;kakobrekla;premiere tumbleweed.
606758;1396755889;kakobrekla;whatevers
606759;1396755896;mircea_popescu;actually it's "whatever"
606760;1396755902;kakobrekla;....
606761;1396755906;kakobrekla;actually its "..."
606762;1396755909;MisterE;I spel American
606763;1396755932;kakobrekla;i scam somali
606764;1396755938;kakobrekla;s/scam/spell
606765;1396755945;MisterE;lol
606766;1396755955;chetty;kakobrekla,  same thing
606767;1396755955;mircea_popescu;vragnaroda, whom only the eldest perhaps still remember, was famously accused by some derp of "being a grammer naxi that corecteing people 24/7"
606768;1396755964;kakobrekla;:p
606769;1396755973;moiety;;; later tell BingoBoingo i get now it was a joke, i didn't before.
606770;1396755973;gribble;The operation succeeded.
606771;1396755986;moiety;does later tell work in gribble pms?
606772;1396755990;mircea_popescu;http://42coin.org/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/gold_bars.jpg
606773;1396755997;mircea_popescu;i like how the gold bars get etching and shit
606774;1396756003;mircea_popescu;http://42coin.org/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/sell_silver.jpeg
606775;1396756009;mircea_popescu;but the silver ain't cool enough for school.
606776;1396756218;kakobrekla;btw where did vrag go
606777;1396756231;kakobrekla;he produced a lot of lines.
606778;1396756306;kakobrekla;if my memory serves me right.
606779;1396756311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 776 @ 0.00096492 = 0.7488 BTC [+]
606780;1396756350;decimation;pat buchanan has some good posts on Taki's mag: http://takimag.com/article/is_putin_one_of_us_patrick_buchanan
606781;1396756373;kakobrekla;read it "taaki mag" and almost had a heart attack.
606782;1396756381;decimation;lol
606783;1396756388;tg2;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb8r0iIb82s
606784;1396756388;ozbot;42-COIN BIG BIG BIG Extreme info alert for cryptocoin buyers. - YouTube
606785;1396756389;mircea_popescu;who knows
606786;1396756390;tg2;lol
606787;1396756412;tg2;mircea_popescu, you better watch that and get you some good crypto advice
606788;1396756426;decimation;fred reed is good too: http://takimag.com/article/the_soul_of_a_curmudgeon_fred_reed
606789;1396756435;mircea_popescu;decimation you mean taki of the spectator ?
606790;1396756450;mircea_popescu;tg2 transcript ?
606791;1396756460;MisterE;break it down for us tg2
606792;1396756469;jborkl;Lol they are selling kilo bars?
606793;1396756472;mircea_popescu;http://www.spectator.co.uk/life/high-life/6525763/high-life-11/ this taki ?
606794;1396756473;ozbot;High life » The Spectator
606795;1396756478;MisterE;wtf? 2.2lbs?
606796;1396756485;mircea_popescu;jborkl yeah. two thirds of a bar gets you all of ripple.
606797;1396756492;jborkl;Lol
606798;1396756499;MisterE;:D
606799;1396756510;decimation;yeah the same guy
606800;1396756515;decimation;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taki_Theodoracopulos
606801;1396756516;ozbot;Taki Theodoracopulos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
606802;1396756522;jborkl;Just don't assey them
606803;1396756533;jborkl;Sp
606804;1396756567;MisterE;I dunno why it looks like lead underneath, it says right on the bar 99.9% fine
606805;1396756567;mircea_popescu;cool.
606806;1396756578;jborkl;Solig tungsten core
606807;1396756591;MisterE;tungsten heavy like that?
606808;1396756617;jborkl;It is the same density as gold
606809;1396756622;jborkl;Almost exactly
606810;1396756622;MisterE;oh wow
606811;1396756639;mircea_popescu;decimation that wikipedia article is perhaps the best indictment of the "wikipedia" notion of an encyclopedia one could devise.
606812;1396756670;mircea_popescu;seriously, that's all they have to say about taki, that he called some simian looking jew "homely" and that fascists taking over greece'd be an improvement over the current sort of socialists ?
606813;1396756685;mircea_popescu;with culture like this illiteracy seems an impossibility.
606814;1396756693;decimation;well, the wikipedia is the lowest common denominator of american thinking
606815;1396756697;tg2;lol transcript: dude is retarded.  I watch that video when I want to feel better about my crypto portfolio.
606816;1396756702;decimation;so it's pretty much facebook socialism
606817;1396756740;decimation;fred reed money quote:  "My wife Violeta, a Mexican, describes the United States as a Third World country with a First World infrastructure (un pais tercermundista con infraestructura primermundista)"
606818;1396756760;mircea_popescu;not anymore.
606819;1396756772;decimation;yeah the infrastructure is getting very spotty
606820;1396756776;mircea_popescu;it shocked me what poor state of repair the infrastructure was
606821;1396756779;mircea_popescu;and this was a decade ago.
606822;1396756789;jborkl;Taki s haircut makes bitcoin drop 10% in value
606823;1396756790;MisterE;bridges falling apart it's amazing
606824;1396756790;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
606825;1396756804;mircea_popescu;decimation you saw that epic bridge jury rig btw ?
606826;1396756820;decimation;heh no what are you talking about?
606827;1396756844;mircea_popescu;o god lemme find it.
606828;1396756860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04716 = 0.4716 BTC [-] {2} 
606829;1396756861;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Miles_Glacier_Bridge%2C_damage_and_kludge%2C_1984.jpg
606830;1396756867;decimation;as I recall you were hangoing around the northeast
606831;1396756889;decimation;that's so sad
606832;1396756897;mircea_popescu;i went from new hampshire to new mexico.
606833;1396756899;decimation;the engineer who designed that bridge is probably crying
606834;1396756912;decimation;the northeast is the worst in my experience
606835;1396756914;mircea_popescu;decimation maybe he suicided with a rivet gun
606836;1396756920;decimation;lol
606837;1396756934;decimation;I thought he fell out of a building while being shot with a nail gun
606838;1396756962;mircea_popescu;he accidentally died of a self inflicted would while trying to propel himself with a nailgun
606839;1396757006;decimation;heh.  Fred Reed's blog is pretty classic too: http://www.fredoneverything.net/
606840;1396757071;mircea_popescu;anyway, back in 2004 mass was fighting like 3 separare wrongful death suits arising out of chunks of concrete coming off the road and flying into people's cars
606841;1396757106;mircea_popescu;which was the first time i heard of that sort of shit.
606842;1396757109;tg2;we have that problem in quebec currently
606843;1396757116;tg2;overpasses falling down
606844;1396757121;decimation;yeah that was after they spent billions on the "big dig"
606845;1396757134;mircea_popescu;big dig wasn't nearly done yet
606846;1396757143;mircea_popescu;but no, these were just poorly maintained state highways
606847;1396757162;mircea_popescu;no fucking idea who told you people cement works for this application btw
606848;1396757165;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1783 @ 0.00017498 = 0.312 BTC [-] {2} 
606849;1396757168;mircea_popescu;europe is all asphalt.
606850;1396757180;asciilifeform;so, there i was, checking out a potential replacement for my flat, and saw this, alive:
606851;1396757181;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/ODmkenB
606852;1396757182;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
606853;1396757185;decimation;www.nytimes.com/2006/07/12/us/12tunnel.html
606854;1396757192;asciilifeform;first thought was 'gasenwagen'
606855;1396757213;decimation;I thought you were talking about that.  as I recall it was because they used substandard adhesive
606856;1396757221;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty epic
606857;1396757269;decimation;ascii you should just rent a room in the marriott across from fort meade
606858;1396757310;chetty;hahaha save the man some travel $$
606859;1396757339;asciilifeform;perhaps those are... free.
606860;1396757344;asciilifeform;but 'one way.'
606861;1396757348;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00017499 = 0.1225 BTC [-]
606862;1396757409;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
606863;1396757416;decimation;ascii I do agree with your point about rental property.   I recently moved from a house to a rental, and when I told the agent about my credit score she said " you should be buying"
606864;1396757431;decimation;the assumption is that only lowlifes with no credit rent
606865;1396757457;asciilifeform;on top of this, it is virtually impossible to rent a house at all where i live.
606866;1396757470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05581 = 0.1674 BTC [+]
606867;1396757484;asciilifeform;they exist, but tend to be 'for students' (even when hours away from any kind of school) and full of antiquated crap
606868;1396757498;asciilifeform;imagine paying $3k/mo for a building with no garbage disposal
606869;1396757552;decimation;yeah in my experience most "landlords" are real estate agents who generally are happy with a zero cashflow - they write off the depreciation against their income
606870;1396757576;asciilifeform;actually, my understanding is that many of them are 'civilians' who went 'underwater'
606871;1396757583;asciilifeform;i know one fellow like that. just trying to stem losses
606872;1396757602;moiety;i would like to know how they expect you to build a credit rating when you can't get credit when you don't have a credit rating in the first place.
606873;1396757605;asciilifeform;man wants to move - can't, because no one will pay for his building what he paid.
606874;1396757612;asciilifeform;so he rents it out, often at a loss
606875;1396757652;decimation;yeah that's the other population.  obviously, neither is interested in paying anything for property maintenance
606876;1396757674;asciilifeform;moiety: in the u.s. (no idea about elsewhere) - they have 'special' credit offers for the freshly bankrupt. with 40% interest, etc.
606877;1396757695;mircea_popescu;i don't get this "what hge paid" criterion.
606878;1396757702;mircea_popescu;what the fuck difference does it make what he paid.
606879;1396757712;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it does - to him.
606880;1396757734;asciilifeform;chumper 'buys' a house, wants to move, discovers that he'll be stuck paying for the rest of his natural life for a house he isn't living in
606881;1396757736;moiety;asciilifeform: just seems so daft that you have to get messed up to get it and staying debt free actually harms you
606882;1396757813;mircea_popescu;moiety thats just the contemporary implementation of "every man needs a lord"
606883;1396757826;chetty;moiety, but thats the whole bankster trap, in a nutshell
606884;1396757833;asciilifeform;moiety: in u.s., folks with money traditionally keep credit cards, which are paid off as soon as they are used, for 'x percent back' crap.
606885;1396757847;moiety;i pay more for a one bed flat than colleagues do for three bedroom houses
606886;1396757860;moiety;you can't get a credit card in the uk without a credit rating
606887;1396757876;moiety;but you need a credit card to get a credit rating
606888;1396757897;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04898999 = 0.3429 BTC [+]
606889;1396757898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.035 = 0.245 BTC [-]
606890;1396757899;tg2;cellphone contract will usually build credit )
606891;1396757931;asciilifeform;i started looking for new flat soon after mp's essay on 'bezzle dollar' and thought it was hilariously fitting
606892;1396757948;decimation;yeah homes are definitely fully funded with bezzle
606893;1396757968;asciilifeform;'i have $xxxx.' 'sorry, you can't get - shit - for $xxxx' - or for '$xxxxx'
606894;1396757982;asciilifeform;'fish is what we don't have over at the fish counter'
606895;1396758008;tg2;you trying to buy shark with goldfish budget
606896;1396758018;decimation;not only that, the local governments lard their coffers with property taxes
606897;1396758035;decimation;which people just roll into the "how much do I have to pay per month" calculation
606898;1396758065;asciilifeform;tg2: more interesting than that. you can easily 'buy' the shark with the 'goldfish' price - because you are also paying with your arse virginity in that scenario
606899;1396758066;tg2;property tax is the biggest scheme
606900;1396758080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4031 @ 0.00096492 = 3.8896 BTC [+]
606901;1396758099;tg2;there needs to be some recourse for home owners that get "reevaluated" at 10% more when their house has not inreased in value
606902;1396758130;asciilifeform;tg2: the folks who 'bought' during bubble peak, etc. are still doomed
606903;1396758134;decimation;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_George%27s_County_Public_Schools  "Budget: US$1.6 Billion"
606904;1396758135;ozbot;Prince George's County Public Schools - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
606905;1396758135;moiety;you can claim free land in scotland
606906;1396758173;asciilifeform;moiety: while you're at it, we can also note that living far out at sea is free
606907;1396758180;asciilifeform;but it doesn't exactly work for most people.
606908;1396758281;decimation;you can live aboard a boat docked at baltimore for a few $k per year
606909;1396758307;asciilifeform;decimation: last i checked, marina fee + utilities was close to the cost of small flat
606910;1396758311;asciilifeform;in most american ports
606911;1396758332;moiety;asciilifeform: one guy claimed 50 hectares, started to build, got some people occupying the land at a rented rate, paid for the build. free house, lots of land
606912;1396758350;asciilifeform;not to mention other interesting nuances (see herr orlov's blog, not me, for detail) - e.g. dry-docking regularly to patch/repaint the damn thing
606913;1396758358;decimation;yeah boats are a money pit
606914;1396758374;moiety;the problem being the land that is free isn't easy to build on usually
606915;1396758397;decimation;I suspect most "free land" in scotland is either on a cliff or in a moor
606916;1396758416;asciilifeform;and since when is construction 'free' ?
606917;1396758430;moiety;decimation: it all depends how long/hard you are willing to look. its not like its listed anywhere
606918;1396758483;moiety;not the construction being free asciilifeform but it was paid for by the money from the people occupying the land for him, which is actually part of the terms. win win
606919;1396758489;decimation;ascii I think to some extent living near a major metro area in the US is a chump's game
606920;1396758499;moiety;he just threw a post up on a forum
606921;1396758554;asciilifeform;decimation: i never said i wasn't a chump. but there are different species of chump.
606922;1396758586;asciilifeform;there is, for instance, a kind of gristly and sinewy chump that grinds apart in the chumpatron very reluctantly
606923;1396758610;asciilifeform;and there's the kind which crunches eagerly, like chocolate
606924;1396758661;moiety;and theres the kind that wind up there out of obligation
606925;1396758662;decimation;lol
606926;1396758685;decimation;well, the us today is pretty much an enormous chumpatron
606927;1396758700;decimation;from which escape is neigh impossible, and alternatives few
606928;1396758722;asciilifeform;escape isn't impossible, but requires reaching 'escape velocity'
606929;1396758728;asciilifeform;like a gravitational 'well'
606930;1396758796;asciilifeform;best advice for folks not yet parked in the gravity well is 'stay the hell out'
606931;1396758813;asciilifeform;much cheaper/easier than having to rocket out later.
606932;1396758867;decimation;yeah, this is true.  I wonder what all the europeans who came over in the 1800's would have made of this outcome?
606933;1396758937;decimation;http://globalnews.ca/news/1072303/over-3100-americans-renounced-citizenship-last-year-fbi/
606934;1396758938;ozbot;More than 3,100 Americans renounced citizenship last year: FBI - National | Globalnews.ca
606935;1396758999;chetty;when they actually build that border fence you know you are trouble
606936;1396759086;asciilifeform;the fellow who bought my 'urbit dukedom' for 4.5btc publicly burned his u.s. passport.
606937;1396759107;asciilifeform;(long ago)
606938;1396759181;chetty;well formal renounce costs money :P
606939;1396759186;decimation;I don't think that actually works
606940;1396759217;moiety;a lot of people seem to have turned their attention to canada thesedays
606941;1396759227;asciilifeform;the fun part is, no one will force the buggers to honour the renounciation, if they don't want to
606942;1396759253;asciilifeform;just as the escapee can't say 'i do not want to be in any database' and make it stick
606943;1396759271;decimation;true.  just like the Royal Navy in the early 1800's
606944;1396759302;decimation;"oh, you've become an American now?  good on ya - you sail for the King now"
606945;1396759329;chetty;yeah doesn't stop much, but mostly lets you open bank accounts (banks outside us are afraid of americans these days)
606946;1396759350;decimation;as if foriegn banks operate in the interest of their account holders
606947;1396759352;moiety;free guns with us bank accounts
606948;1396759421;asciilifeform;chetty: presently usg threatens penalties on foreign banks who 'hide' escapees
606949;1396759434;asciilifeform;now let's say they stop honouring renunciations
606950;1396759449;asciilifeform;plenty of historic precedent
606951;1396759456;chetty;exactly, I don't blame the outside banks at all, its prudent
606952;1396759468;asciilifeform;;;google republikflucht
606953;1396759469;gribble;Republikflucht - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republikflucht>; Crossing the Line: Republikflucht between Defection and Migration ...: <http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/acprof:oso/9780199243280.001.0001/acprof-9780199243280-chapter-3>; Republikflucht - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Republikflucht>
606954;1396759517;asciilifeform;'you grew up in our glorious motherland? still want to leave, bastard? fine - pony up $1mil, to cover the cost of building you'
606955;1396759542;tg2;thats how slavery started
606956;1396759544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00096679 = 17.934 BTC [+] {2} 
606957;1396759547;tg2;but the reverse
606958;1396759548;tg2;lol
606959;1396759550;decimation;right, my only point is that they are all fractional reserve banks on the British model.  The bezzle follows you everywhere
606960;1396759669;tg2;canada has that
606961;1396759671;tg2;its called brain drain
606962;1396759684;chetty;but they reach out all over the world to serve those unfortunate 'unbanked'
606963;1396759703;tg2;education and healthcare heavily subsidized, then high talent individuals go to silicon valley and work there
606964;1396759744;kakobrekla;this brain drain thingy seems to be everywhere. but how could that be, it has to drain to something, unless its sewer?
606965;1396759752;kakobrekla;to someplace *
606966;1396759766;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: the answer lies in the sewer.
606967;1396759785;chetty;going galt?
606968;1396759850;asciilifeform;high talent individuals go to silicon valley << world-renowned chumpatron. leaving aside the question of whether the folks there 'work' (in the sense of producing anything valuable) - they get sheared very properly, for much of what they make - at least the ones who wouldn't care to commute 4 hrs/day
606969;1396759850;kakobrekla;i was afraid so ascii.
606970;1396759879;decimation;yeah silicon valley is at least 2x worse than the DC area
606971;1396759905;decimation;no rational engineer would work there for less than $300k per year
606972;1396759911;decimation;but they make $100k
606973;1396759924;kanzure;kids out of school are making $90-$100k in the bay area
606974;1396759928;asciilifeform;100k won't buy you a garret to starve in, there.
606975;1396759943;decimation;kanzure: how much do they make 15 years in?
606976;1396759943;kanzure;so anyone with an ounce of experience is making.. a lot more. :)
606977;1396759953;decimation;I bet not more than $150k
606978;1396759962;kanzure;well, from personal experience i'd say at least $.. oh, yeah, definitely more than 150
606979;1396760019;asciilifeform;incidentally, we are close to a useful definition of 'rich' - fellow is 'rich' if he can tell the man with the shears to go to hell, and make it stick.
606980;1396760021;kanzure;at *minimum* the metric is +$1k/month per year of experience
606981;1396760032;decimation;lol
606982;1396760055;kanzure;and that's underperforming
606983;1396760061;asciilifeform;engineer who has to pay $100k to live within range of his $150k employer, cannot be described even as 'well to do'
606984;1396760077;kanzure;here is the survey i did,
606985;1396760078;kanzure;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5802295
606986;1396760083;decimation;no, he's effectively a wage slave
606987;1396760099;kanzure;anyway, 15 years of experience can easily get 25-30k/mo
606988;1396760136;decimation;right.  because your poll said so?
606989;1396760140;kanzure;experience
606990;1396760179;kanzure;the poll is only to help idiots calibrate that $90k is low-end of the scale
606991;1396760230;decimation;okay, let's pretend that 15 year veterans are all making $300k - when a reasonable home is $1 mil, they are still pretty poor
606992;1396760243;asciilifeform;kanzure: the poll (even if we assume that every answer was truthful and representative of something) isn't particularly useful, because it lumps in things which are quite unlike.
606993;1396760265;asciilifeform;300k vice president of widgets inc. is not a member of the same profession as his engineer.
606994;1396760270;kanzure;asciilifeform: i would say it could be useful for the idiot calibration
606995;1396760283;kanzure;and sure, i was focusing on people who write software
606996;1396760288;asciilifeform;wrote.
606997;1396760291;kanzure;or at least.. pretend to.
606998;1396760303;kanzure;<?= gox(); ?>
606999;1396760308;asciilifeform;300k is, afaik, always a case of 'wrote'
607000;1396760310;decimation;these same $300k vp's famously conspired to underpay said engineers
607001;1396760317;kanzure;i was not a "vp"
607002;1396760326;asciilifeform;except in the wonderful case described earlier, where a chumper pays $250k to live near 300k job
607003;1396760416;kanzure;good gigs tend to be clustered around anything that says 'individual contributor'
607004;1396760442;asciilifeform;engineers, typically, sit in 'gravity wells' - because so long as you are bound to some geographic location, even a very large one, the folks with the shears come out
607005;1396760450;asciilifeform;and slice off your disposable income
607006;1396760465;kanzure;huh? all of my work has been remote.
607007;1396760479;kanzure;i guess you could claim gravity is impacting speed of light constraints on my work, but wtf?
607008;1396760509;asciilifeform;kanzure: you're in mp's weight class, then.
607009;1396760526;kanzure;magic pony?
607010;1396760529;asciilifeform;i'm speaking of me fellow zeros, not heroes
607011;1396760535;kanzure;haha you are a zero?
607012;1396760548;kanzure;what sort of fucked up math are you using?
607013;1396760573;mikaeldice;So, this guy who said that people who put money on an exchange are stupid sheep and that the next MtGox fiasco 'is coming' is now opening his own exchange.
607014;1396760581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.08299776 = 1.079 BTC [-]
607015;1396760590;asciilifeform;i have to, after all, concede that folks who have escaped from gravity well, while i sit in, are more clever than i
607016;1396760614;asciilifeform;hard to think of a better 'iq test'
607017;1396760621;decimation;yeah, me too
607018;1396760642;chetty;mikaeldice, hahahaha
607019;1396760664;decimation;except, the case of those who immigrated to the US looking for escape...
607020;1396760681;asciilifeform;decimation: 20 yrs. ago it wasn't an obviously stupid thing to do
607021;1396760723;kanzure;the only problem with this conversation is that i can't figure out why would you want to be employed (of all people)
607022;1396760738;asciilifeform;kanzure: to eat?
607023;1396760754;decimation;kanzure, are you implying that one with suitable skills can easily make $300k without "knowing" the "right people"?
607024;1396760769;kanzure;hmm i don't know about easily, things do take "work"
607025;1396760787;kanzure;and you don't have to know the right people in advance, but you do eventually have to meet someone
607026;1396760809;kanzure;at least one person (namely the person who would be paying you)
607027;1396760858;kanzure;also you have to be able to provide actual value. no coding an airplane into the ground.
607028;1396760909;asciilifeform;kanzure: if you're the kind of hero who can demand 300k without ever having to physically meet a client, attend a whatever board, deliver physical samples in person, etc - more power to you
607029;1396760925;asciilifeform;but i dare say that you (and mp?) may be alone in this weight class, among us
607030;1396760943;decimation;my "experience" is quite full of people who are apparently quite intelligent and are unable to demand such a rate
607031;1396760946;kanzure;alas, on one of my recent gigs i somehow ended up traveling for a week every few months.. it was trickery. :(
607032;1396760974;decimation;I guess I just don't see the offers on dice.com or whatever
607033;1396760998;asciilifeform;i've often had 'interesting' conversations with people to whom i suggested calculating their wage 'per hour of actual work'
607034;1396760999;kanzure;knowing even just a little bit of programming puts you beyond the hope of most job sites
607035;1396761018;kanzure;so, what people do instead is more like in-bound marketing
607036;1396761022;asciilifeform;with the latter defined by 'doing anything that you would not do if you didn't have to'
607037;1396761031;kanzure;where their open source projects, blogs, conference talks/videos, whatever, serves as a way of directing traffic to them
607038;1396761041;kanzure;and then they get picked up by the industrial whales or do contracting gigs
607039;1396761086;kanzure;naturally this ends up causing some weirdness.. some people focusing on just hadoop or whatever. which is weird. but you can see why it happens.
607040;1396761103;asciilifeform;i don't dispute that there live unique specialists who are paid $xxx k for something that could be described as 'engineering.' but most of them are on some kind of physical leash, however long.
607041;1396761147;kanzure;oh, i'm not even talking about the people who started the projects
607042;1396761179;kanzure;not-highly-unique but really as soon as you know more than a handful of things, you're already likely something that doesn't exist somewhee else in aggregate
607043;1396761189;kanzure;("did i mention that i cry myself to sleep while making shitty PCBs every night?")
607044;1396761226;kanzure;*somewhere
607045;1396761285;kanzure;now excuse me i must go cry over a shitty xml parser http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/p2pfoundation/dumpspot/pullparser.py
607046;1396761292;asciilifeform;kanzure: the way i understand it, this is not how markets actually work. if i'm the only one who knows how to build xxx, i don't get to collect $maxint for building an xxx. simply, xxx doesn't get made.
607047;1396761333;asciilifeform;(or, it is made - evenings/weekends.)
607048;1396761377;kanzure;it's more like.. finding companies with lots of money, and then solving their problems using what you know.
607049;1396761396;kanzure;and then selecting those companies more carefully so that the solutions happen to be things that wont bore you to death
607050;1396761411;decimation;there are many details missing here, but it seems to me that kanzure is basically saying that big gov't/corps are willing to pay $100x to get what they could otherwise pay $x to get
607051;1396761429;asciilifeform;i've yet to see a living case of this that wasn't in the 'pay 250 to live in range of the 300' territory.
607052;1396761460;kanzure;so wait, your thesis is that all highly-paid individuals are getting screwed?
607053;1396761467;asciilifeform;decimation: the parsimonious hypothesis is much simpler - some people get access to what drips from the money printer pipeline by having the right friends
607054;1396761470;asciilifeform;or sucking the right cocks
607055;1396761478;decimation;yeah I agree
607056;1396761494;kanzure;is it possible that there are people that are getting paid relative to the value that they create?
607057;1396761498;asciilifeform;a much smaller set actually provides $maxint of value
607058;1396761505;asciilifeform;but they aren't 'employees' in any sense
607059;1396761557;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 597 @ 0.00017301 = 0.1033 BTC [-]
607060;1396761566;kanzure;haha neobeeq
607061;1396761572;kanzure;is that faked?
607062;1396761586;decimation;I think it's true that a "web of trust" of competent individuals act as hired guns to do jobs for govt/corps
607063;1396761595;decimation;but I don't think that is a large population
607064;1396761633;decimation;and their pay is largely decided by their position on their wot
607065;1396761655;asciilifeform;decimation: this does appear to be the way it works, where i live.
607066;1396761675;decimation;note, that this isn't exactly a 40 year career plan
607067;1396761713;kanzure;http://pub5.di.fm/di_progressive_aac?type=.flv
607068;1396761742;decimation;at some point the harvard MBA is going to ask "Why are we paying this guy $300k when we could hire 20 Indians for the same?"
607069;1396761778;asciilifeform;decimation: why would he ask this question about his best friend?
607070;1396761781;kanzure;because i've managed 20 indians and my quality and quantity of output was still better at the same itme
607071;1396761788;kanzure;*time
607072;1396761797;kanzure;(except it wasn't indians, it was vietnamese, and they were actually very good)
607073;1396761808;decimation;he wouldn't of course; but when he retires the next young gun trying to cut the bottom line would
607074;1396761823;kanzure;and then they'd wonder why their site keeps getting hacked etc
607075;1396761826;asciilifeform;next guy - next set of parasites (in the original, roman sense of the word.)
607076;1396761842;kanzure;and why the product is 18 months behind
607077;1396761847;kanzure;"but we added 200 people!"
607078;1396761872;asciilifeform;kanzure: i'd be surprised if anyone here hasn't read (or lived!) 'mythical man-month'
607079;1396761886;kanzure;actually, i haven't :)
607080;1396761893;kanzure;i just pretend that i have
607081;1396761897;asciilifeform;you just described 'living' it.
607082;1396761902;decimation;I would recommend it
607083;1396761904;kanzure;well, yes, but i stole it from the book
607084;1396761909;kanzure;yeah i know i should read it, i'm just terrible
607085;1396761996;decimation;kanzure I presume this is you: https://github.com/kanzure/
607086;1396762000;kanzure;yes
607087;1396762017;decimation;I wouldn't be willing to develop in javascript for $300k
607088;1396762022;decimation;that's why I'm a zero I guess
607089;1396762032;kanzure;oh yeah, it's fucking awful
607090;1396762051;kanzure;definitely not high on my list of things i'm proud of
607091;1396762145;decimation;ascii if only some prince were willing to pay you develop your loper-os
607092;1396762149;asciilifeform;lol
607093;1396762157;kanzure;fuck that, i want my headset
607094;1396762172;kanzure;my saiyan viewfinder
607095;1396762178;kanzure;uh, scouter
607096;1396762205;truffles;time to level up to super
607097;1396762208;asciilifeform;'I wouldn't be willing to develop in javascript for $300k' << this goes back to the original point i was trying to make, when i mentioned hunting for flat (i generally don't discuss crap like this without a good reason) -
607098;1396762222;asciilifeform;one man's 300k is not the same as another's
607099;1396762241;kanzure;sure. i wouldn't be willing to go into an office for $150k.
607100;1396762252;asciilifeform;in the sense that if you have to live in a particular place, or worse, become a certain kind of person, to earn it, you are in fact very poor
607101;1396762254;truffles;0.0
607102;1396762260;asciilifeform;poorer than a beggar, in some cases
607103;1396762279;truffles;what kinda baller r u dood
607104;1396762288;truffles;150k id go in super early too ;D
607105;1396762288;kanzure;i smoke lines of code?
607106;1396762294;kanzure;it's not as great as you think
607107;1396762298;asciilifeform;likewise, one man's 300k may buy a palace (in costa rica), another's - a converted garage in palo alto
607108;1396762312;truffles;sure is, id live for like 5yrs + on that
607109;1396762331;kanzure;US salaries are discussed in pre-tax terms
607110;1396762339;kanzure;(i know, it's stupid)
607111;1396762339;truffles;heh
607112;1396762342;asciilifeform;truffles: which is precisely why it is reserved for the folks who agreed to the conditions of indenture
607113;1396762358;asciilifeform;i.e. throwing most of the 300 directly to the vultures
607114;1396762390;asciilifeform;;;google FIRE economy
607115;1396762390;gribble;FIRE economy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRE_economy>; Official FIRE Economy site: <http://www.fireeconomy.com/>; FIRE Economy Definition | Investopedia: <http://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fire-economy.asp>
607116;1396762398;truffles;not that id sign up for a job of u know e.g. killing ppl
607117;1396762411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.0009651 = 3.3779 BTC [-]
607118;1396762437;truffles;but ppl sign up to join the military daily..
607119;1396762451;truffles;do they even make 30k?
607120;1396762457;kanzure;is that a threat
607121;1396762468;kanzure;they actually make out ok depending on whether or not they dump it all into a corvette
607122;1396762471;asciilifeform;signing bonus alone, last i checked, was close to 30k
607123;1396762487;asciilifeform;(scratch that - re-enlistment bonus)
607124;1396762492;decimation;in my experience the rich around the DC area are mostly military http://usmilitary.about.com/od/2013BHA/a/13bahwdepofDC.htm
607125;1396762508;decimation;27 year old with a wife gets $2800 tax-free per month
607126;1396762509;truffles;blackwater?
607127;1396762519;decimation;on top of free food and medical care
607128;1396762541;decimation;with the possibility of converting to a well-paid contract position upon 20 years of "service"
607129;1396762574;truffles;thought u had to be contracting to get decent money
607130;1396762583;asciilifeform;not sure in what sense a fellow who gets to not only do work which he doesn't necessarily feel like doing, but also get sent off as cannon fodder - can be thought of as 'rich'
607131;1396762598;MisterE;there are many reasons people join the military
607132;1396762605;MisterE;the most common is they have nothing else
607133;1396762607;asciilifeform;he's essentially a more physically-fit version of the palo alto programmer
607134;1396762610;MisterE;it's eithe rthat or the streets
607135;1396762622;truffles;sure u can have a pure heart going in
607136;1396762624;asciilifeform;does not own his arse.
607137;1396762625;MisterE;now with middle class in the dump it's looking better and better
607138;1396762628;truffles;we're not discussing that
607139;1396762655;kanzure;why didn't DPR blackmail the fbi?
607140;1396762662;MisterE;contractors make more for sure
607141;1396762668;truffles;<MisterE> now with middle class in the dump it's looking better and better>>> to join the US military?
607142;1396762673;decimation;the number who end up cannon fodder are very small
607143;1396762677;MisterE;yes
607144;1396762686;decimation;us military are mustly bureaucrats with coordianted clothing
607145;1396762689;truffles;u srs dood
607146;1396762693;truffles;arent they downsizing
607147;1396762708;MisterE;heh you seen their budget? is it downsizing?
607148;1396762718;truffles;i believe it will be
607149;1396762725;MisterE;US can not afford to downsize the military industrial comples jobs program
607150;1396762727;MisterE;instant recession
607151;1396762735;MisterE;complex*
607152;1396762756;decimation;not to mention it employs most of the scant 300k electrical engineers total in the us
607153;1396762759;truffles;guess we will see in the coming years
607154;1396762766;asciilifeform;growing mil budget does not necessarily translate to more pig slots at the trough.
607155;1396762767;MisterE;can barely stop QE without blood all over the floor it's a shaky house of cards
607156;1396762822;MisterE;$500 hammers :0
607157;1396762834;decimation;http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20140304/NEWS05/303040021/2015-budget-released-How-cuts-affect-pay-BAH-per-diem-Tricare
607158;1396762835;ozbot;2015 budget released: How the cuts affect pay, BAH, per diem and Tricare | Military Times | military
607159;1396762838;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 16 @ 0.0075 = 0.12 BTC [+]
607160;1396762845;decimation;"The Pentagon is also mounting a new attempt to cut travel costs. Specifically, that effort will reduce per diem rates for troops on extended travel. It will also eliminate reimbursements for laundry services, bottled water and other ?incidental? expenses. Officials could not immediately provide details of the new per diem rates."
607161;1396762849;decimation;sounds like serious cuts
607162;1396762850;MisterE;this is only a proposed budget
607163;1396762858;asciilifeform;everyone loves the $500 hammer. but how many people who laugh at the hammer have ever built a one-off prototype of anything?
607164;1396762861;MisterE;by the time congress hacks it up military spending will increase
607165;1396762878;asciilifeform;what do you suppose it would cost to build your pc by hand, in a quantity of five?
607166;1396762895;asciilifeform;assume you don't have to fabricate the ICs - only mount them.
607167;1396762903;truffles;yea seems clear that downsizing is imminent
607168;1396762940;decimation;assuming you lack a competent technician, it would probably be $1000's
607169;1396762940;MisterE;we shall see
607170;1396762953;MisterE;history is not on the side of downsizing
607171;1396762968;asciilifeform;decimation: add a zero or two.
607172;1396762969;MisterE;one trumped up conflict between now and passing of a budget and that is all out the window
607173;1396762970;truffles;one of u painted vets as having a rosy time of it, not the reality for most afaik
607174;1396762983;decimation;for something complex or fancy, sure
607175;1396762990;MisterE;vets are really screwed now
607176;1396763007;MisterE;for many of the same reasons they go into the military they are screwed when they come out
607177;1396763013;MisterE;unless they can work for a private contractor
607178;1396763110;asciilifeform;the military folks aren't only being paid in money
607179;1396763126;asciilifeform;there are intangibles. quite a few people would - pay - to fight in a war.
607180;1396763142;truffles;0.0
607181;1396763159;decimation;this used to be the custom, in fact: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchase_of_commissions_in_the_British_army
607182;1396763177;MisterE;yea GI Bill (too bad an education is worth so much less now) and the home loan are good
607183;1396763186;truffles;id sign up to fight in a zombie apocalypse situation for sure
607184;1396763190;MisterE;healthcare is so-so if you're not messed up too bad
607185;1396763196;MisterE;aww hell yea!
607186;1396763199;truffles;not if its fast zombs though
607187;1396763207;MisterE;truffles: I would just request a flame thrower
607188;1396763216;MisterE;no only the slow lumbering ones
607189;1396763221;asciilifeform;'fast zombies' - analogous to 'fast neutrons' ?
607190;1396763224;MisterE;with the retarded lurch
607191;1396763274;MisterE;best thing about the GI bill is they can let their kids use it
607192;1396763285;MisterE;few soldiers come off the front lines fit to enter college
607193;1396763299;truffles;society*
607194;1396763302;MisterE;not that they were fit for college before enlisting
607195;1396763309;MisterE;^
607196;1396763374;MisterE;for being socially aware and having great control over our environment we are a pretty rotten bunch of animals
607197;1396763391;MisterE;considering how we treat each other
607198;1396763410;truffles;when parasites are in charge its expected ldo
607199;1396763571;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04898997 = 0.147 BTC [+]
607200;1396763631;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.035 = 0.105 BTC [-]
607201;1396763632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.0009651 = 5.0668 BTC [-]
607202;1396764038;mircea_popescu;<kanzure> kids out of school are making $90-$100k in the bay area <<< sure. but the 10 year veteran is not making 5-10mn.
607203;1396764041;mircea_popescu;which is the problem.
607204;1396764154;mircea_popescu;<mikaeldice> So, this guy who said that people who put money on an exchange are stupid sheep and that the next MtGox fiasco 'is coming' is now opening his own exchange. << which guy ?
607205;1396764182;mikaeldice;mircea_popescu, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=558966.0
607206;1396764273;kakobrekla;wtf nonsense.
607207;1396764302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3318 @ 0.00016453 = 0.5459 BTC [-] {6} 
607208;1396764562;decimation;Mr. Fasbit is very proud that you can be short as well as long
607209;1396764573;decimation;that's apparently a special feature of his "exchange"
607210;1396764627;mircea_popescu;lol ok anonforum guy
607211;1396764662;mircea_popescu;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=72
607212;1396764663;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets bash
607213;1396764785;mircea_popescu;anyway, i suspect the earlier lengthy discussion about money conflates two different uses of the thing.
607214;1396764790;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04898997 = 0.147 BTC [+]
607215;1396764791;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03461033 = 0.1038 BTC [-] {2} 
607216;1396764792;mircea_popescu;money can be sustenance or control.
607217;1396764811;mircea_popescu;people who aren't in the business of control (such as engineers, say) wouldn't -logically- be paid enough money to go into 2nd category.
607218;1396764817;mircea_popescu;they'd be paid enough to support themselves.
607219;1396764841;mircea_popescu;in this sense the rate-control agreement of the employers in sv is quite rational and in effect socially beneficial
607220;1396764851;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
607221;1396764897;decimation;I agree it is rational from their perspective.  And clearly, there are loads of engineers and "engineers" who are ready to signup
607222;1396764924;mircea_popescu;if you overpay them the bezzle-usd just runs into inflation.
607223;1396764967;mircea_popescu;suppose tomorrow the agreement was that no engineer working in sv is paid under 350mn dollars a year.
607224;1396764971;decimation;except as I pointed out awhile ago, there are only 300k EE's in the us total
607225;1396764973;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.08299776 = 0.664 BTC [-]
607226;1396764984;mircea_popescu;what other effects would you expect, except for rents being in the 20mn a month range ?
607227;1396765006;decimation;well, this is why rents in sv are already astronomical
607228;1396765014;mircea_popescu;yes, this is true. but they are not managers, they're not the sort of people who play the resource allocation game. thus they have no business handling money as a % of total supply.
607229;1396765019;mircea_popescu;they only get sustenance money.
607230;1396765041;mircea_popescu;there's two kinds of money see ? money-%, like btc. that's the money used by the people who allocate resources.
607231;1396765054;decimation;except, old republicans would point out that the managers used to not consider themselves worth of % of total business money
607232;1396765054;mircea_popescu;there's also money-flat, like what most people thing of "dollars". these are used to buy groceries with.
607233;1396765062;mircea_popescu;that may be.
607234;1396765063;truffles;2 kinds of money like bills and coins?
607235;1396765073;mircea_popescu;resources still have to be allocated, somehow, by someone/thign.
607236;1396765095;truffles;prob mean 2 kinds of uses*
607237;1396765097;decimation;this whole "the ceo should get 1% of the business" deal is something that happened in the 80's with the increasing bezzle
607238;1396765125;decimation;greater bezzle leads to lesser bezzle
607239;1396765126;mircea_popescu;decimation looky : there are two types of questions before mankind. one type reduces to what ? the other type reduces to how ?
607240;1396765145;mircea_popescu;the people answering how-questions don't need (or want) the tools used by the people answering what-questions.
607241;1396765162;decimation;except there are also who? whom? questions
607242;1396765175;truffles;why when
607243;1396765219;decimation;I don't deny that allocating resources is hard work worthy of pay
607244;1396765222;mircea_popescu;who is what.
607245;1396765230;mircea_popescu;not a matter of "worthy" see ?
607246;1396765236;mircea_popescu;it'll have to be done, and so it will be done.
607247;1396765265;mircea_popescu;and it's not harder than any other. if all we have are shitty engineers, are htey not worthy or less worthy of pay ?
607248;1396765284;mircea_popescu;you rule compared to roman engineers 2 millenia ago, and suck compared to derpistan engineers of 4015
607249;1396765295;mircea_popescu;what's that matter.
607250;1396765312;*;truffles wonders if any1 is following this rant
607251;1396765339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00096483 = 12.7358 BTC [-]
607252;1396765339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2655 @ 0.000164 = 0.4354 BTC [-] {3} 
607253;1396765349;decimation;right, I get your point, but in the context of today the problem is that bezzle-finance has made the job of resource allocation niegh impossible
607254;1396765428;decimation;as we have covered before, what this ends up doing is favoring those who in the wot of those who control the printing press
607255;1396765437;decimation;as would be the case in any time or place I suppose
607256;1396765561;mircea_popescu;<decimation> right, I get your point, but in the context of today the problem is that bezzle-finance has made the job of resource allocation niegh impossible << yes, tis true, but also somewhat unrelated to the issue of engineer pay.
607257;1396765583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34059 @ 0.00096127 = 32.7399 BTC [-] {3} 
607258;1396765584;mircea_popescu;in a sense, if one finds himself bored in the laser lab and looking at the stars, one should switch from solid state to large body physics
607259;1396765594;mircea_popescu;rather than try and make the laser shoot stars.
607260;1396765665;mircea_popescu;i personally think a grown man should possess a working knowledge of both fields, at least enough to make him conversant in either.
607261;1396765727;decimation;in the us it is very difficult to find these 'captains of industry' who are leading the exploitation.  management talent is lacking more severely than engineering talent
607262;1396765737;mircea_popescu;absolutely.
607263;1396765762;decimation;this probably causes most engineers to have contempt for those over them
607264;1396765769;mircea_popescu;competent managers are always in short supply. engineers used to be, but 500 years of systematic how-to-twerk videos have managed to squeeze an astonishing amount of butt out of the ass.
607265;1396765812;mircea_popescu;management doesn't yeild as well to the scientific method, sadly, and spitefully.
607266;1396765829;decimation;yes, this is true, and thus most managers are simply born
607267;1396765853;mircea_popescu;maybe
607268;1396765872;decimation;or, were born with the predeliction to seek out experience to learn the 'trade'
607269;1396765885;mircea_popescu;or something.
607270;1396765908;truffles;nepotism is a great trade
607271;1396765911;bocobit;how do you guys feel about the private mission to mars
607272;1396765923;mircea_popescu;doubtful.
607273;1396765923;bocobit;would you sign up knowing its a one way trip?
607274;1396765933;truffles;if i were a con sure
607275;1396765935;decimation;what would such a mission be expected to yeild? knowledge?
607276;1396765938;chetty;bocobit, yup
607277;1396765956;decimation;what could be gained by sending humans than cannot be gained from robots?
607278;1396765960;mircea_popescu;decimation lawsuits.
607279;1396765960;bocobit;who was the four man on the moon?
607280;1396765975;bocobit;fourth*
607281;1396765981;truffles;dont think they have advance enough robots out decimation
607282;1396765982;mircea_popescu;i have some popcorn prepared for the opinions in the first wrongful death suit connected to private marsd exploration
607283;1396766014;decimation;well, then perhaps the right managers can allocate resources to build the advanced enough robots
607284;1396766015;bocobit;i'd do it if I was the first to walk
607285;1396766024;decimation;except, it isn't profitable
607286;1396766028;decimation;so that's dumb
607287;1396766047;bocobit;what else is there in life?
607288;1396766067;mircea_popescu;maybe it can be financed through a forum ipo
607289;1396766072;mircea_popescu;in which case the profit is not the point.
607290;1396766183;decimation;maybe elon will help http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/178389-spacex-prepares-to-take-the-biggest-step-towards-affordable-space-travel-soft-landing-the-falcon-9-rocket
607291;1396766186;truffles;<bocobit> what else is there in life?>>> gambling
607292;1396766239;bocobit;I hear SD is even better on the martian surface
607293;1396766256;truffles;so they cant test it out with chimps 1st least it becomes planet of the apes ..
607294;1396766437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00096087 = 6.7261 BTC [-] {2} 
607295;1396766449;bocobit;MP, I read that article you posted "Why I don't hire brilliant men"
607296;1396766471;truffles;sounds like something a lesser man writes :D
607297;1396766473;mircea_popescu;didja like it ?
607298;1396766488;bocobit;ya man I've been thinking about it the last week
607299;1396766498;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00313334 = 0.1567 BTC [+] {6} 
607300;1396766523;bocobit;there are a lot of parallels with all the new start ups in bitcoin world
607301;1396766525;mircea_popescu;it's usually given as a textbook example of anti-intelectualism in the us.
607302;1396766545;truffles;http://taoyue.com/stacks/articles/brilliant-men.html hmm
607303;1396766545;ozbot;From the Stacks: Why I Never Hire Brilliant Men | TaoYue.com
607304;1396766592;mircea_popescu;anyway, the day is young. see you later all.
607305;1396766605;Duffer1;later man
607306;1396766605;bocobit;The world needs dreamers just as much as workers
607307;1396766680;truffles;i think the word needs more responsible leaders
607308;1396766716;chetty;truffles, it needs some
607309;1396766788;bocobit;do any of yall read epsilon theory?
607310;1396766810;truffles;ya prob impossible with current paradigm
607311;1396766916;bocobit;http://www.salientpartners.com/epsilontheory/notes/Panopticon.html
607312;1396766916;ozbot;Salient
607313;1396766962;bocobit;this system is ripe for abuse at the top
607314;1396767045;truffles;one need not look further than a forum or chatroom to see that power corrupts
607315;1396767132;bocobit;would you rather have pure anarchy or pure authoritarianism?
607316;1396767144;truffles;hard choice
607317;1396767162;truffles;as a rebel without a cause id go anarchy way
607318;1396767167;bocobit;same
607319;1396767201;bocobit;although there might be similar traps to the individual in both cases
607320;1396767224;truffles;deal with 'em as they arise
607321;1396767383;truffles;"the only thing necessary to create the perception of being watched and monitored and punished for bad behavior was the constant possibility of being watched and monitored and punished for bad behavior," >>> this is turrble
607322;1396767520;bocobit;I feel this pressure everytime I am in a large crowd
607323;1396767536;truffles;why
607324;1396767557;bocobit;social mores
607325;1396767560;truffles;i like to give myself importance by thinking some1 is "monitoring" me heh
607326;1396767579;truffles;whomever has that job must be a loser heh
607327;1396767592;bocobit;but that monitoring isn't unique to you
607328;1396767601;truffles;yea
607329;1396767617;truffles;still special (not in a retard way)
607330;1396767657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.00096483 = 1.9779 BTC [+]
607331;1396767659;bocobit;everyone feels it ( at least subconsciously ) and expect others to act accordingly
607332;1396767681;bocobit;a nail left exposed gets hammered down
607333;1396767693;truffles;not in my house
607334;1396767718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6081 @ 0.00096712 = 5.8811 BTC [+]
607335;1396767745;truffles;u can make other uses for it
607336;1396767866;bocobit;like blaming it for why you tripped?
607337;1396767878;truffles;:)
607338;1396768151;truffles;well if im in a crowd my 1st thoughts are "do i have any cash on hand, oh no worries"
607339;1396768606;BingoBoingo;[KS]: Perhaps befor we talk levels of scams we need to talk literacy on the mechanisms
607340;1396768694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05581 = 0.1116 BTC [+] {2} 
607341;1396768733;truffles;scammers gonna scam though
607342;1396768745;truffles;pretty sure theyll come up with new ones
607343;1396768755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8240 @ 0.00096681 = 7.9665 BTC [-]
607344;1396768786;BingoBoingo;Ghostbusters 2: You don't want us exposing themselves
607345;1396768835;BingoBoingo;truffles: The important part is recognizing that most of the scams in BTC follow classic patterns developed in fiat
607346;1396768868;BingoBoingo;If you know how fiat scams work you can protect against many BTC scams
607347;1396768917;truffles;if ure gullible dont even need scams
607348;1396769004;truffles;btc is ripe with sharks
607349;1396769076;chetty;a catalog of classic scams ..who is helped most the scammers or the scammees
607350;1396769078;BingoBoingo;truffles: I dunno if you know what "classic" implies. And I thinkj you are trying to stretch for credibility but supposing "who could"
607351;1396769094;truffles;...
607352;1396769179;chetty;all scams depend on one thing: greed
607353;1396769262;BingoBoingo;chetty: What about the ones that require stupid?
607354;1396769312;truffles;i thought btc crowd was a lil smarter than gen pop..
607355;1396769326;kakobrekla;not anymore
607356;1396769465;chetty;even stupid won't get roped in unless they are also greedy - the whole concept depends on 'get something for nothing' - or at least for little
607357;1396769487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60694998 = 1.2139 BTC [-] {2} 
607358;1396769488;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0075 = 0.15 BTC [+]
607359;1396769975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00096712 = 8.7041 BTC [+]
607360;1396770646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 600 @ 0.00018961 = 0.1138 BTC [-] {2} 
607361;1396770768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4302 @ 0.00096776 = 4.1633 BTC [+] {2} 
607362;1396771500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3532 @ 0.00096878 = 3.4217 BTC [+]
607363;1396771561;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4568 @ 0.00096941 = 4.4283 BTC [+]
607364;1396772110;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 20892 @ 0.00019853 = 4.1477 BTC [+] {20} 
607365;1396772903;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1133 @ 0.00017498 = 0.1983 BTC [-] {2} 
607366;1396772904;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 800 @ 0.000202 = 0.1616 BTC [+]
607367;1396772964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04944496 = 0.4944 BTC [+]
607368;1396772965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.035 = 0.35 BTC [-]
607369;1396773330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19115 @ 0.00096968 = 18.5354 BTC [+] {2} 
607370;1396773513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3052 @ 0.00097017 = 2.961 BTC [+] {2} 
607371;1396773574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55238 @ 0.00097209 = 53.6963 BTC [+] {5} 
607372;1396773974;random_cat;Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures, the essence of the evolutionary spirit.
607373;1396774916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2787 @ 0.00097769 = 2.7248 BTC [+] {2} 
607374;1396775231;BingoBoingo;random_cat: Greed is good, greed is a useful angle of analysis, but but what is greed compared to Putang?
607375;1396775232;BingoBoingo;Tcl interface unloaded
607376;1396775587;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 850 @ 0.00023981 = 0.2038 BTC [+] {2} 
607377;1396775730;dexX7;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=545640.0 lol
607378;1396775732;ozbot;The new bitcoin police
607379;1396776241;jurov;"to patronize and annoy"
607380;1396776441;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
607381;1396776721;BingoBoingo;Why the fuck is everyone named Christian such a fucking Cho-Mo
607382;1396776807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00098471 = 12.9982 BTC [+]
607383;1396777064;keonne;Please tell me thas a joke...
607384;1396777096;keonne;I had no idea you could still make geocities websites these days btcpd.com
607385;1396777146;keonne;http://btcpd.com/picture_library/20140330_183756.jpg Sweet mustache. it must help him solve bitcrimes
607386;1396777193;jurov;it's very sensitive like cat's whiskers
607387;1396777258;keonne;aww adorable. I wanna be whitelisted so I get that bitching graphic
607388;1396777313;dexX7;> geocities .... ahahhahahaha =D
607389;1396777341;keonne;seriously, it has geocities all over it
607390;1396777388;dexX7;yes
607391;1396777478;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
607392;1396777525;keonne;so...anyone else reduce their position in RENT before the IPO?
607393;1396777578;keonne;I have a feeling its gonna drop, i dont know where they came up with this 0.0075 price from, their asses it seems
607394;1396777624;punkman;something like they had a USD goal, they converted to BTC, got 0.0075
607395;1396777628;jurov;keonne, the20year was here few days ago and defended it, don't remember how
607396;1396777640;jurov;everything is out there in the logs :)
607397;1396777718;punkman;https://birtchex.com/
607398;1396777718;ozbot;birtchex - nextgen forex
607399;1396777721;keonne;Ill check it out thanks jurov
607400;1396777732;punkman;" Offering long and short positions, limit orders, and put and call options."
607401;1396777786;dexX7;what's so nextgen about it?
607402;1396777886;punkman;http://www.linkedin.com/pub/r-david-matthew-gambrell/61/347/550
607403;1396777886;ozbot;R David Matthew Gambrell  | LinkedIn
607404;1396777951;jurov;http://reason.com/blog/2014/04/04/no-the-irs-didnt-leak-mozilla-ex-ceos-do
607405;1396778027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+]
607406;1396778936;BingoBoingo;keonne: You will be a much happier person if you just lurk for a year before "investing"
607407;1396779020;moiety;does anyone here know who owns localbitcoins? their channel is dead
607408;1396779168;BingoBoingo;I doubt the commitment of everyone here to sparkle motion, especially moiety
607409;1396779300;Apocalyptic;moiety, jeremias used to hang out on IRC
607410;1396779308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.0009895 = 4.3538 BTC [+]
607411;1396779331;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: Where is your commitment to sparkle motion
607412;1396779336;moiety;BingoBoingo: sparkle motion?
607413;1396779346;BingoBoingo;Movie reference
607414;1396779348;moiety;thanks for the name Apocalyptic
607415;1396779384;BingoBoingo;Knowing the reference is key to understanding contemporary 'Murican failings
607416;1396779411;Apocalyptic;a good movie btw
607417;1396779442;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: Thx
607418;1396779498;keonne;BingoBoingo: you have no idea how long ive been around ;)
607419;1396779506;jurov;that's pretty useless advice, let me paraphrase mp:
607420;1396779533;jurov;You will be much happier person if you just sit on your dick for a year before fucking.
607421;1396779544;BingoBoingo;keonne: And you have no little child of mine
607422;1396779551;moiety;i love that film... how did i not get that quote
607423;1396779552;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 500 @ 0.00020014 = 0.1001 BTC [-] {3} 
607424;1396779573;BingoBoingo;moiety: Saving grace of the scottish.
607425;1396779575;moiety;keonne: you dont like boats a lot by any chance do you? perhaps wrong keonne, sorry if so
607426;1396779607;keonne;i like sail boats
607427;1396779630;keonne;and i doubt there are a lot of keonnes around
607428;1396779662;moiety;we have met then i think :)
607429;1396779668;keonne;really?
607430;1396779680;keonne;in London?
607431;1396779685;moiety;mmhmm especially if you made a big move recently
607432;1396779691;moiety;not inperson
607433;1396779692;keonne;hah!
607434;1396779694;keonne;yes
607435;1396779700;keonne;im very curious
607436;1396779700;moiety;but youre on my fb lol
607437;1396779720;keonne;intriguing
607438;1396779740;keonne;this community is too damn small
607439;1396779744;keonne;and my name too damn unique
607440;1396779785;BingoBoingo;keonne: This space is too small to imagine niggers.txt is unique
607441;1396779805;keonne;good old niggers.txt
607442;1396779820;moiety;ohgod
607443;1396779860;BingoBoingo;moiety: Plz don't chimp out. Everybody came out of Africa anyways
607444;1396779902;moiety;chimp out XD nah the ohgod was because i didnt know what happened for sooo long XD
607445;1396779930;BingoBoingo;moiety: Be moar rx-list
607446;1396779979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00098857 = 7.6614 BTC [-] {2} 
607447;1396779981;keonne;gay.pl was better anyway
607448;1396780050;*;moiety hopes that wasnt a ragequit
607449;1396780122;jurov;who? mjr_1 ?
607450;1396780140;jurov;oh Bingo
607451;1396780140;dexX7;* BingoBoingo has quit (Quit: Leaving)
607452;1396780186;keonne;I like how he came in and gave me unsolicitied advise
607453;1396780365;moiety;keonne: logs
607454;1396780433;moiety;i always arrive>mew>catch up teh logs
607455;1396780467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1193 @ 0.00098752 = 1.1781 BTC [-]
607456;1396780772;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00020011 = 0.2001 BTC [-] {4} 
607457;1396781403;moiety;wb BB
607458;1396781419;BingoBoingo;hey
607459;1396781870;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.04899999 = 0.539 BTC [-]
607460;1396781871;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.035 = 0.385 BTC [-]
607461;1396782151;dexX7;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.msg6094700#msg6094700
607462;1396782153;ozbot;[BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process
607463;1396782236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 563 @ 0.0009817 = 0.5527 BTC [-]
607464;1396783196;*;MisterE is watching "Idiocracy 2006" in VLC
607465;1396784188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13327 @ 0.00098114 = 13.0757 BTC [-]
607466;1396785225;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 7000 @ 0.00023999 = 1.6799 BTC [+] {5} 
607467;1396785531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00098525 = 15.9118 BTC [+]
607468;1396787360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18951 @ 0.00098225 = 18.6146 BTC [-]
607469;1396788275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60669998 BTC [-]
607470;1396788641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.000986 = 11.0925 BTC [+] {2} 
607471;1396789068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 170 @ 0.00088843 = 0.151 BTC [+]
607472;1396789114;[KS];BingoBoingo: as long as there is no "scientific" pretense.
607473;1396789797;draino;i gotta say i miss MPOE_PR's sassy nipple more than i would have thought
607474;1396790215;mircea_popescu;keonne and who might you be ?
607475;1396790310;bounce;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10739872/Russians-petition-for-return-of-Alaska.html
607476;1396790313;ozbot;Russians petition for return of Alaska - Telegraph
607477;1396790356;mircea_popescu;lol
607478;1396790959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 24 @ 0.08299776 = 1.9919 BTC [-] {2} 
607479;1396791099;keonne;hi mircea_popescu
607480;1396791103;keonne;i am keonne
607481;1396791104;mircea_popescu;ello
607482;1396791107;keonne;that is my name
607483;1396791113;mircea_popescu;abdul keonne ?
607484;1396791125;keonne;well abdul is/was my handle for years on irc
607485;1396791153;keonne;usually on gnaa or somewhere else nefarious
607486;1396791164;keonne;but i tweeted you yesterday about btc shop
607487;1396791169;keonne;and i did mention i would lurk in here now
607488;1396791178;mircea_popescu;oic.
607489;1396791179;keonne;so just making good on my twitter promises i suppose
607490;1396791188;mircea_popescu;so welcome.
607491;1396791194;keonne;thank you
607492;1396791213;bounce;re earlier topic, I rather think plenty poor management gets to hang on and management in general is overvalued because we don't know how to properly value management, or even properly evaluate management outcomes, for that matter.
607493;1396791237;mircea_popescu;bounce one aspect of it's pesky tendency not to lend itself to the scientific method well
607494;1396791242;mircea_popescu;its*
607495;1396791264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
607496;1396791265;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03501 = 0.105 BTC [-]
607497;1396791270;bounce;not directly, no. there's ways, though.
607498;1396791325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 29 @ 0.035 = 1.015 BTC [-] {2} 
607499;1396791386;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04875 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2} 
607500;1396791436;mircea_popescu;maybe.
607501;1396791449;mircea_popescu;just like the deceitful whore doesn't lend herself to marriage,
607502;1396791452;mircea_popescu;but "there are ways".
607503;1396791461;bounce;actually, more like the other way around: management fundamentally deals with people so scientific method has a hard time with it, but moreover too many in management don't even try
607504;1396791473;mircea_popescu;well that's also true.
607505;1396791483;mircea_popescu;anyway, brb cause im writing an article then we can beat it more.
607506;1396791630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.034622 = 0.5193 BTC [-] {2} 
607507;1396791996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 3030 @ 0.00007431 = 0.2252 BTC [-] {3} 
607508;1396792235;peterl;is Havelock SMG convertible to actual shares of S.MG?
607509;1396792343;peterl;aha, to answer my own question, yes, but it costs 1 btc per transfer ... I don't think there is enough volume to make arbitrage worthwhile
607510;1396792362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00024992 = 0.4998 BTC [+] {4} 
607511;1396792423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1811 @ 0.00023929 = 0.4334 BTC [-] {3} 
607512;1396792631;Apocalyptic;truffles, btw you're on the permaban list of -otc since August 24th, what did you do ?
607513;1396792657;truffles;called a mod a pussy or something
607514;1396792664;Apocalyptic;lol
607515;1396792667;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2250 @ 0.00015303 = 0.3443 BTC [-] {2} 
607516;1396792693;truffles;he was crying about how he has to be on the phone forever etc
607517;1396792704;truffles;i was like maybe u should really commit to bitcoin
607518;1396792710;truffles;he got defensive
607519;1396792712;truffles;i forget the rest
607520;1396792777;Apocalyptic;looks like it was coingenuity
607521;1396792788;truffles;that douche
607522;1396792850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 550 @ 0.00025906 = 0.1425 BTC [+] {2} 
607523;1396793216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00579456 = 0.2608 BTC [+] {4} 
607524;1396794653;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/lets-try-and-understand-this-no-such-thing-as-bad-publicity-thing/
607525;1396794654;ozbot;Let’s try and understand this “no such thing as bad publicity� thing. pe Trilema - Un blog de
607526;1396794881;keonne;superfluous 'a' in the second paragraph after 'inept'
607527;1396794943;truffles;pretty sure there's more n migtve missed :D
607528;1396795000;keonne;yeah it doesnt bother me, just figured extra proofreaders wouldnt hurt :)
607529;1396795062;truffles;its prob a mindfield of them though
607530;1396795069;truffles;so if u start with that 1 heh
607531;1396795084;keonne;lol
607532;1396795091;mircea_popescu;keonne actually before very :D
607533;1396795098;mircea_popescu;fixt ty.
607534;1396795107;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04946739 = 0.1979 BTC [+] {2} 
607535;1396795108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.034601 = 0.1038 BTC [+]
607536;1396795116;keonne;ok work finished - au revoir!
607537;1396795132;mircea_popescu;lol
607538;1396795146;mircea_popescu;now i can finally get to the best part of my day,
607539;1396795149;mircea_popescu;reading teh logs here.
607540;1396795167;truffles;rly?
607541;1396795168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4733 @ 0.00098698 = 4.6714 BTC [+]
607542;1396795261;mircea_popescu;truffles dun worry, nobody's monitoring you.
607543;1396795294;truffles;im special !
607544;1396795295;everclear;mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.msg6095533#msg6095533
607545;1396795337;mircea_popescu;everclear what's that ?
607546;1396795361;everclear;Mentality of your critics
607547;1396795398;mircea_popescu;it's a bizarre collection, that forum.
607548;1396795404;truffles;oh i didnt know extradition was an option hmm
607549;1396795415;everclear;:)
607550;1396795452;mircea_popescu;truffles it's good you have the internet, because you can thus acquire even more parts you don't understand to build even larger the pile of dysfunctional junk that is your brain.
607551;1396795483;truffles;internet, i know its the best thing ever
607552;1396795532;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves thestringpuller http://ghettohikes.tumblr.com/
607553;1396795598;truffles;"This man is clearly a bit unhinged. He has no sense of objective reality" hehe
607554;1396795633;mircea_popescu;who, putin ?
607555;1396795638;truffles;no silly u
607556;1396795656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1876 @ 0.00098698 = 1.8516 BTC [+]
607557;1396795660;mircea_popescu;but the leaders of the sheeple bleating this nonsense on the forum said the same thing about the man that spanked them.
607558;1396795676;mircea_popescu;i guess they in the end deserve each other.
607559;1396795698;chetty;is that forum page a guy talking to himself? sure sounds like it
607560;1396795702;mircea_popescu;when forumanon says of mp what obama&co say of putin, we know we're living in the best of possible worlds.
607561;1396795739;mircea_popescu;chetty the irony here is that whether he is actually physically distinct from the next derp or not makes little difference. stupidity is quite fungible.
607562;1396795756;chetty;ah - hahahaha
607563;1396795800;mircea_popescu;jurov lol seriously, random guy out of nowhere "has made teh policez" ? how very meek of him :D
607564;1396795846;mircea_popescu;punkman are you like on a special list or something ? where do you find all this stuff ?
607565;1396795874;truffles;the US "gave" the internet to the world so will it be as easy to seize domains?
607566;1396795876;chetty;I want to know why someone would want to 'win points with us regulators', but I won't dirty my hands actually posting on that
607567;1396795926;mircea_popescu;;;later tell moiety localbitcoins had some technology-enthusiastic policemen pull some "sting operations", which were kinda lulzy in their braindead stupidity but probably spelled out actual financial and emotional pain for the unfortunate parties to get involved in the bureaucracy's quest to justify its continued existence. i imagine it's gone as a result.
607568;1396795926;gribble;The operation succeeded.
607569;1396795927;truffles;gotta let them wet their beaks
607570;1396795967;punkman;mircea_popescu: i have these episodes every couple of days, I see URLs in my epileptic visions
607571;1396795983;punkman;how about these dudes, http://www.greenbankcapitalinc.com/
607572;1396795985;mircea_popescu;punkman you're the most gifted person i know.
607573;1396796013;punkman;also I think this is topace, http://weirdly.net/resume.php amirite topace?
607574;1396796024;mircea_popescu;"The CEO of GreenBank has over 40 years experience investing in small caps"
607575;1396796114;mircea_popescu;http://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/c.zri/zara-resources-inc
607576;1396796115;ozbot;Zara Resources Inc. ( C.ZRI ) stock message board and forum - Bullboard Discussion - Stockhouse C
607577;1396796116;mircea_popescu;kinda lulzy.
607578;1396796141;punkman;yeah mining that gold
607579;1396796142;mircea_popescu;QUOTE:  "This is why the term "fictitious profits", definitely applies.
607580;1396796144;mircea_popescu;http://www.stockhouse.com/companies/bullboard/c.zri/zara-resources-inc?postid=21688488
607581;1396796145;ozbot;Zara Resources Inc. ( C.ZRI ) stock message board and forum - Bullboard Discussion - Stockhouse C
607582;1396796152;punkman;they got like 5 of those
607583;1396796185;mircea_popescu;hard to call, really, because the minerals exploration business (as discussed previously here) is kinda builty to work like this and there do exist occasional legitimate corps that get the brush treatment anyway
607584;1396796199;mircea_popescu;still... i wouldn't trust the guy just on the grounds he exists.
607585;1396796203;truffles;punkman but where'd he go to skool!
607586;1396796205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13318 @ 0.00098703 = 13.1453 BTC [+] {2} 
607587;1396796225;mircea_popescu;punkman incidentally, why not make yourself a career out of this ?
607588;1396796244;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you've the time, would be interesting to hear more re: the fate of the engineers.
607589;1396796251;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shoot ?
607590;1396796278;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#607219
607591;1396796281;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
607592;1396796283;mircea_popescu;i'm just here waiting for people to type, not busy in any sense not able to go anywhere, life of dreamz.
607593;1396796289;punkman;mircea_popescu: I do some paid work collecting data, research, etc
607594;1396796301;truffles;confined to the home already mp
607595;1396796304;mircea_popescu;punkman srsly, make a blog, write up one of these a day, each day, for a year.
607596;1396796317;mircea_popescu;if by that year you're not fucking thankful you started, you may negrate me in all fairness.
607597;1396796320;truffles;this is one pleasing to the eye resume for sure
607598;1396796366;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ok. considering the what/how debate as accepted foundation : at any time there's a number of turkeys and a number of engineers.
607599;1396796375;mircea_popescu;increasing the engineer's pay does not increase the number of turkeys.
607600;1396796388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00098756 = 11.0113 BTC [+]
607601;1396796388;mircea_popescu;it does however stress the distribution of turkeys, if nothing else then because new price tags keep having to be printed.
607602;1396796397;mircea_popescu;tis all.
607603;1396796414;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they way i understood it, the sv folks aren't actually paying engineers in particular. they're paying the real estate industry to (inefficiently) house them.
607604;1396796425;mircea_popescu;a valid approach, yes.
607605;1396796429;asciilifeform;because they, for some odd reason, demand a ridiculous geographic concentration of engineers
607606;1396796440;mircea_popescu;efficiency is a COO not a CFO job. in other words, you don't reduce it financially
607607;1396796447;mircea_popescu;(you may at most increase it, but only somewhat)
607608;1396796465;asciilifeform;they might perhaps be better off 'vertically integrating' the housing bit
607609;1396796467;mircea_popescu;s/efficiency/inefficiency
607610;1396796477;mircea_popescu;well that's where they're headed.
607611;1396796480;asciilifeform;like chinese dormitories.
607612;1396796490;mircea_popescu;yoiu have to consider the history : only very recently have tech companies become "Respectable"
607613;1396796504;asciilifeform;the most frustrating part is the folly of the engineers, who salivate after the '$300k sv job'
607614;1396796507;mircea_popescu;buffett still does not invest in them because, politely, "he doesn't understand them", but factually "not in his wot"
607615;1396796520;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why ? the 16 yo should salivate after the cock.
607616;1396796520;asciilifeform;as if the money is actually their own, and not simply put in their hands for a few minutes to salivate over.
607617;1396796527;mircea_popescu;what else in this world is there for her to salivate for ?
607618;1396796575;mircea_popescu;so anyway : only recently has tech become respectable, and as such it couldn't historically afford the huge bezzle-usd load of owning real estate outright.
607619;1396796584;mircea_popescu;it's getting there, and soon sv will be in fact chinese dormitory style.
607620;1396796667;asciilifeform;much of what the chumpers 'buying' houses in usa are paying for could be had for considerably smaller cost - e.g. physical security, caste isolation, etc.
607621;1396796674;asciilifeform;if it were vertically integrated
607622;1396796691;asciilifeform;as in 19th c. 'company town'
607623;1396796706;mircea_popescu;sure. to take things from yet another angle : you're familiar with greenspun's analysis of why women don't go into science.
607624;1396796719;asciilifeform;certainly. (i did link it here once)
607625;1396796721;mircea_popescu;the same shall soon apply to tech, we're witnessing a "professorisation" and "tenurisation" of tech.
607626;1396796729;chetty;asciilifeform, but but we must have diversity
607627;1396796730;mircea_popescu;soon it's going to cost you money to be "working for google"
607628;1396796743;mircea_popescu;for the same reason most girls with great fuck videos PAY to participate.
607629;1396796758;mircea_popescu;they can then use those on the stripper and prostitution circuits as extras "cause we're pornstars"
607630;1396796772;mircea_popescu;much in the manner hearn is using his "i was at google" thing.
607631;1396796793;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's a kind of phase transition ahead, when it begins to cost more to 'work for google' than... it pays
607632;1396796804;mircea_popescu;which is the deep reason for the http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/
607633;1396796810;asciilifeform;where is the fool supposed to unearth the difference
607634;1396796831;mircea_popescu;hopefully he has rich parents.
607635;1396796834;asciilifeform;lol
607636;1396796842;mircea_popescu;but if not, there's always credit.
607637;1396796870;mircea_popescu;you remember my story with the jewish money lender taking a painting and other payment in kind for debt ?
607638;1396796879;asciilifeform;oh yes
607639;1396796892;mircea_popescu;so : the bezzle fundamentally is born out of and exists for the following reason :
607640;1396796907;mircea_popescu;while your ability to pay is finite, you being finite, your ability to underwrite credit is not finite.
607641;1396796916;mircea_popescu;the difference between these two is, obviously... your painting.
607642;1396796929;mircea_popescu;there's a very good fundamental reason to extend credit you know will never be repaid.
607643;1396796954;mircea_popescu;i did it myself, and quite publicly at that. remember the patrick harnett case ?
607644;1396796959;asciilifeform;this is, arguably, the oldest form of credit?
607645;1396796965;mircea_popescu;his asshole was the point going in.
607646;1396796968;mircea_popescu;indeed.
607647;1396796995;asciilifeform;mr. dirt digger's horse dies. his neighbour lends him horse. 'now pay 1/4 of your crop, forever'
607648;1396797008;BrockH;MY HORSE!?!
607649;1396797012;mircea_popescu;now, when people such as me say the us agencies will have to learn to play ball or not exist,
607650;1396797018;mircea_popescu;people like me refer to a very specific thing.
607651;1396797022;asciilifeform;of course, there's a flip side to playing this game. eventually mr. dirt invents dekulakization.
607652;1396797023;mircea_popescu;the us has borrowed past what it can repay.
607653;1396797101;mircea_popescu;let me explain something about this dekulakization concept.
607654;1396797124;mircea_popescu;you familiar with buffett pretending taxes "at the top" aren't high enough, and with gates donating his fortune to "good causes" and so on ?
607655;1396797142;asciilifeform;technical term, i believe, is 'conspicuous benevolence'
607656;1396797149;mircea_popescu;not at all.
607657;1396797159;mircea_popescu;buffett structures the hell out of his deals to avoid taxation.
607658;1396797177;asciilifeform;game theoretically 'dishonest signal'
607659;1396797180;mircea_popescu;however, there exists a center of people who can't afford good tax shelters, and who could, if left undisturbed, come to one day challenge him.
607660;1396797181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 500 @ 0.00025793 = 0.129 BTC [+] {6} 
607661;1396797201;mircea_popescu;see, the fact that i made the fu berkshire bet and the fact i pay about 2.85% a year on average are related.
607662;1396797211;mircea_popescu;i can accumulate. the average middle class guy in the chumpatron, can not.
607663;1396797222;mircea_popescu;buffett merely aims to keep it this way : high taxes means jack shit to him
607664;1396797231;mircea_popescu;other than "stansislav won't be the next buffett"
607665;1396797234;mircea_popescu;that he likes.
607666;1396797235;asciilifeform;lul
607667;1396797241;mircea_popescu;now, dekulakization is EXACTLY the same.
607668;1396797247;mircea_popescu;it doth not hurt the rich
607669;1396797256;mircea_popescu;it hurts the average who could in principle one day hurt the rich.
607670;1396797274;mircea_popescu;it's a middle pruning control strategy, the exact equiv of raising taxes "for social good"
607671;1396797299;mircea_popescu;sure, a tree with no middle one day collapses. but until such a day...
607672;1396797322;asciilifeform;can't see how anyone who ever so much as set foot in the u.s. could disagree here.
607673;1396797335;mircea_popescu;so that'd be that.
607674;1396797354;jurov;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2014#604120 << dexX7 but i never got the same address from brainwallet as was actually used
607675;1396797358;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
607676;1396797429;dexX7;hm let me test it
607677;1396797430;mircea_popescu;and this actually comes to the core of the ideological opposition here. i simply do not like this "no middle" burned ground crap.
607678;1396797451;mircea_popescu;first off who the fuck is threatened by smart young people ?! and second off... jesus fuck i've seen their lives and their dens, they're boring and dismal.
607679;1396797459;mircea_popescu;i dunno who the fuck could bear to live there, that way.
607680;1396797473;dexX7;jurov: works actually
607681;1396797475;asciilifeform;speaking of dekulakization: has anyone considered the 'partizans' hypothesis re: the dead JPM folks?
607682;1396797477;bounce;"hold on to what you got"-reflex?
607683;1396797496;bounce;it takes real guts to just let be in such a situation
607684;1396797624;dexX7;jurov: in case you are looking for a general "get addr from msg+sig" you may take a look at: https://github.com/dexX7/mastercoin-faucet/blob/master/inc/verifymessage.php#L58
607685;1396798035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-]
607686;1396798075;jurov;ok if it works, ima find/make py equivalent
607687;1396798084;topace;punkman: no, you are not right. its widely known what my name is
607688;1396798157;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.02849881 = 0.4275 BTC [+] {3} 
607689;1396798240;jurov;anyway, it can be vastly improved, not just add blocktime but also start/end delimiter so copypaste failures can be spotted immediately
607690;1396798401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 850 @ 0.00025996 = 0.221 BTC [+] {2} 
607691;1396798457;dexX7;true. and especially with brainwallet.org there were significant problems
607692;1396798462;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.048 = 0.144 BTC [-] {2} 
607693;1396798519;dexX7;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/contact-and-credentials/
607694;1396798520;ozbot;Contact and Credentials | Bingo Blog
607695;1396798807;mircea_popescu;a final curlique on the dekulakization topic. asciilifeform you familiar with how socrates died ?
607696;1396798820;jurov;BingoBoingo signed messages should be protected as much as possible from mucking by blogging software
607697;1396798843;mircea_popescu;jurov> anyway, it can be vastly improved, not just add blocktime but also start/end delimiter so copypaste failures can be spotted immediately <<< this, very much so.
607698;1396798864;jurov;if it can't do <verbatim> just add there .txt to download
607699;1396798934;dexX7;yea, i'm not sure what the issue was, but brainwallet somehow had a problem with a special character in the message
607700;1396798950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6774 @ 0.00098775 = 6.691 BTC [+] {2} 
607701;1396799011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3776 @ 0.00099003 = 3.7384 BTC [+] {2} 
607702;1396799164;bounce;anything non-ascii is easily a problem. which is endless fun since various utf-8-ised s/w likes to insert fancy replacements for basic things like apostrophes that then get mangled in interesting ways in transit
607703;1396799185;bounce;s/since/even in english &/
607704;1396799255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 450 @ 0.00026 = 0.117 BTC [+]
607705;1396799432;dexX7;yea true. but you need to differentiate between the underlying "signing of some binary data" and an application on top which is used by humans. the later one would benefit from ascii only + some delimiter etc.
607706;1396799499;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.054 = 0.108 BTC [-]
607707;1396799560;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+]
607708;1396799621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0349 = 0.1047 BTC [+]
607709;1396799933;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: socrates - sure
607710;1396799936;asciilifeform;who isn't
607711;1396799987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.20765824 BTC to 5`373 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
607712;1396800354;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.054 = 0.162 BTC [-]
607713;1396800407;robwhiz22;Good afternoon.
607714;1396800598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00099036 = 13.1718 BTC [+] {3} 
607715;1396800913;keonne;If this weren’t the case you’d have probably seen good numbers of fourteen year old pasty ass boys from Ohio and Connecticut running away from home to “become Cowboys!!!� only to end up the cum rag of some hobo or other.
607716;1396800928;keonne;i think i love you mircea_popescu mircea_popescu
607717;1396801025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0056 = 0.2632 BTC [-] {4} 
607718;1396801051;keonne;thats a very good piece (http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope)
607719;1396801086;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00550218 = 1.6507 BTC [-] {9} 
607720;1396801146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.054 = 0.54 BTC [-]
607721;1396801335;bounce;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/04/chinas_bitcoin_exchanges_begin_pulling_down_the_shutters/ -- ``The FXBTC exchange has posted a notice saying that it received the instruction by telephone [...]'' just call up, say you're PBOC, and tell'em to shed customers. done!
607722;1396801377;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do tell.
607723;1396801401;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as described in 'dialogues' ?
607724;1396801406;asciilifeform;am i missing something?
607725;1396801419;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood, as you know the story, tell it to me.
607726;1396801439;mircea_popescu;keonne :p
607727;1396801471;asciilifeform;'corrupting the youth', hemlock/exile, hemlock, 'give a chicken for asclepius for me', 'drink this & walk around a bit', croaks
607728;1396801496;mircea_popescu;you don't like telling stories do you ?
607729;1396801500;asciilifeform;damn i'm no good at this 'crib sheet' business
607730;1396801510;mircea_popescu;anyway, yes, but an alternative retelling would be something like this :
607731;1396801542;mircea_popescu;socrates spent his life empowering the youth with the tools of the mind. once htey came of age that youth turned around and took over the city, ie, the world.
607732;1396801571;mircea_popescu;then they proceeded to implement their very own, context-adequate version of taxation/dekulakization : they ordered the citizenry to commit murders
607733;1396801582;mircea_popescu;so that nobody could safely extricate himself from their lot.
607734;1396801610;mircea_popescu;the outrage was eventually their undoing, they were banished, socrates was identified as the guilty party, one removed.
607735;1396801617;mircea_popescu;dekulakization is nothing novel.
607736;1396801634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03410999 = 0.3411 BTC [-] {3} 
607737;1396801689;keonne;Your credits for paid content isn't counting down properly
607738;1396801689;mircea_popescu;in this perspective, socrates is rightfully indifferent to any hemlock.
607739;1396801710;mircea_popescu;keonne that's a very bad bug report.
607740;1396801714;keonne;but I purchased my 10000 credits anyway
607741;1396801736;keonne;yes it was, mostly because i wasnt aiming to file a bug, rather, alert you that you should fix your shit
607742;1396801750;mircea_popescu;...
607743;1396801756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10256 @ 0.00098614 = 10.1139 BTC [-]
607744;1396801757;mircea_popescu;in other news, your wife is cheating on you.
607745;1396801781;keonne;lol
607746;1396801817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03360003 = 0.504 BTC [-] {3} 
607747;1396801855;keonne;I appreciated that feedback though - as it is clear you arent trying to get as much out of me as you can to make your product better
607748;1396801863;keonne;i was pretty successful slinging dope anyway
607749;1396801908;mircea_popescu;lol no but seriously, what am i fixing and how's it broken.
607750;1396801939;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4661 @ 0.00098415 = 4.5871 BTC [-]
607751;1396801983;keonne;okay - I've read more than 5 articles today, however the counter says I have four articles remaining. Now about my browser config, cookies are set to destruct after tab close and javascript doesn't run unless I authorize it
607752;1396801996;mircea_popescu;you get 5 free each week, and 4 extras permanently.
607753;1396802000;robwhiz22;Hello, Mirceau.
607754;1396802005;robwhiz22;You wrote me: "The best approach would be to join #bitcoin-assets on Freenode. Both me
607755;1396802006;robwhiz22;and the chief engineer idle there."
607756;1396802006;keonne;Then my reading comprehension sucks
607757;1396802009;keonne;is what we learned
607758;1396802010;mircea_popescu;there's no javascript involved in any sense.
607759;1396802023;robwhiz22;May I write to you on private message?
607760;1396802033;mircea_popescu;robwhiz22 please don't.
607761;1396802065;keonne;Im assuming ill have to whitelist trilema to not self destruct cookies to keep my credit session alive without having to log in every time
607762;1396802071;mircea_popescu;you wouldn't want either to rob yourself of the collective wisdom of this space, nor to rob the history of same of your valuable contributions
607763;1396802083;mircea_popescu;keonne that's entirely up to you :)
607764;1396802137;keonne;voila - thanks for quick processing
607765;1396802146;keonne;come on robwhiz22 i'm waiting in anticipation here
607766;1396802155;mircea_popescu;every customer either raped or satisfied within one hour.
607767;1396802184;keonne;hah
607768;1396802227;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, I submitted a specific, private, proposal to you last week.
607769;1396802258;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, and would appreciate a response to it.
607770;1396802292;asciilifeform;lol!
607771;1396802854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00098415 = 8.2177 BTC [-]
607772;1396803038;mircea_popescu;in other news, the commanding officer of the romanian special forum-extraditions-and-other-lulz unit invited me to his daughter's bar mitzvah unexpectedly.
607773;1396803044;mircea_popescu;so catch y'all later
607774;1396803061;keonne;bat
607775;1396803067;keonne;bar for boys
607776;1396803073;keonne;have fun
607777;1396803096;keonne;lol
607778;1396803342;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0331 = 0.1655 BTC [-]
607779;1396803769;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2611 @ 0.00023732 = 0.6196 BTC [-] {9} 
607780;1396804257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10863 @ 0.00098186 = 10.6659 BTC [-] {4} 
607781;1396804257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.049 = 0.196 BTC [+] {2} 
607782;1396805050;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03251428 = 0.2276 BTC [-] {2} 
607783;1396805112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1800 @ 0.00016491 = 0.2968 BTC [+] {5} 
607784;1396805113;benkay;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014&bots=true#607772 ??
607785;1396805115;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
607786;1396805173;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 450 @ 0.00088843 = 0.3998 BTC [+] {3} 
607787;1396805355;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00088843 = 0.2221 BTC [+]
607788;1396805599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5287 @ 0.00097926 = 5.1773 BTC [-]
607789;1396805599;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.05 = 0.4 BTC [+] {2} 
607790;1396805721;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 700 @ 0.0002792 = 0.1954 BTC [+] {5} 
607791;1396806027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03185 = 0.3185 BTC [-] {2} 
607792;1396806087;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0310625 = 0.2485 BTC [-] {3} 
607793;1396807551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0305 = 0.122 BTC [-]
607794;1396807592;jurov;i'd say mp is trollin
607795;1396807673;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [+]
607796;1396807734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00098415 = 12.1543 BTC [+]
607797;1396807978;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.051 = 0.102 BTC [+]
607798;1396808756;benkay;reputation/publicity/money
607799;1396808770;benkay;oen cannot create money
607800;1396808785;benkay;one can only build a reputation over time
607801;1396808790;chairman_meow;!jd
607802;1396808792;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 15357 BTC profit, 32.0k BTC invested, 986.73 mio bets, 5.14 mio BTC wagered
607803;1396808808;chairman_meow;!help
607804;1396808808;assbot;List of commands:
607805;1396808809;assbot;!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
607806;1396808810;assbot;!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
607807;1396808811;assbot;!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
607808;1396808812;assbot;!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
607809;1396808813;assbot;!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
607810;1396808814;assbot;!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
607811;1396808815;assbot;!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
607812;1396808816;assbot;!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
607813;1396808861;thestringpuller;is benkay still here?
607814;1396808893;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 37 @ 0.02755619 = 1.0196 BTC [-] {9} 
607815;1396809292;thestringpuller;;;ticker
607816;1396809292;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 457.74, Best ask: 460.46, Bid-ask spread: 2.72000, Last trade: 460.57, 24 hour volume: 6286.91152494, 24 hour low: 450.2, 24 hour high: 465.0, 24 hour vwap: 457.170183167
607817;1396809320;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
607818;1396809442;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.049032 = 0.2452 BTC [-] {4} 
607819;1396810032;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
607820;1396810033;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00096086 / 0.00097429 / 0.0009904 (493769 shares, 481.08 BTC), 7D: 0.00093355 / 0.00095284 / 0.0009904 (6446783 shares, 6,142.79 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00089172 / 0.0009904 (28076230 shares, 25,036.18 BTC)
607821;1396810036;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.bbet
607822;1396810036;assbot;[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D:  /  /  ( shares,  BTC), 30D: 0.00045 / 0.00049074 / 0.00059 (12152 shares, 5.96 BTC)
607823;1396810179;thestringpuller;;;calc 4248 * 0.00056000
607824;1396810179;gribble;2.37888
607825;1396810237;thestringpuller;;;calc 0.2 * 0.00056000
607826;1396810237;gribble;0.000112
607827;1396810248;thestringpuller;;;calc 0.2 / 0.00056000
607828;1396810249;gribble;357.142857143
607829;1396810258;thestringpuller;;;calc 0.5 / 0.00056000
607830;1396810258;gribble;892.857142857
607831;1396810357;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00028681 = 0.2868 BTC [+] {2} 
607832;1396810883;thestringpuller;;;calc 800 * 0.00000146
607833;1396810883;gribble;0.001168
607834;1396810889;thestringpuller;;;calc 2000 * 0.00000146
607835;1396810889;gribble;0.00292
607836;1396810895;thestringpuller;;;calc 5000 * 0.00000146
607837;1396810895;gribble;0.0073
607838;1396810908;thestringpuller;;;calc 6000 * 0.00000146
607839;1396810909;gribble;0.00876
607840;1396810914;thestringpuller;;;calc 10000 * 0.00000146
607841;1396810914;gribble;0.0146
607842;1396810920;thestringpuller;;;calc 20000 * 0.00000146
607843;1396810921;gribble;0.0292
607844;1396811107;thestringpuller;;;calc 172 / 1000000000
607845;1396811107;gribble;1.72e-07
607846;1396811127;thestringpuller;;;calc 0.000000172
607847;1396811127;gribble;1.72e-07
607848;1396811217;thestringpuller;;;calc 900 / 1000000000
607849;1396811217;gribble;9e-07
607850;1396811240;thestringpuller;;;calc 900 / 1000000000
607851;1396811240;gribble;9e-07
607852;1396811250;thestringpuller;;;calc 0.00000090
607853;1396811250;gribble;9e-07
607854;1396811267;thestringpuller;;;calc 68 / 1000000000
607855;1396811267;gribble;6.8e-08
607856;1396811301;thestringpuller;;;calc 0.00000034 * 50
607857;1396811301;gribble;1.7e-05
607858;1396811333;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.02649356 = 1.1127 BTC [-] {15} 
607859;1396811349;thestringpuller;i totally thought this was pm with bot since it's so dead @_@ my bad ya'll
607860;1396811368;benkay;hey thestringpuller
607861;1396811760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04800003 = 0.144 BTC [+] {2} 
607862;1396811761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.02705216 = 0.6222 BTC [+] {4} 
607863;1396811794;thestringpuller;hey benkay
607864;1396811943;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.02583002 = 0.7749 BTC [-] {3} 
607865;1396812089;benkay;yo yo yo
607866;1396812370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 500 @ 0.00028681 = 0.1434 BTC [+] {2} 
607867;1396812468;mircea_popescu;ahh that wasnt so bad.
607868;1396812480;mircea_popescu;keonne that was part of the joke see.
607869;1396812614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03121428 = 0.2185 BTC [+] {2} 
607870;1396812676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00097916 = 4.5041 BTC [-] {2} 
607871;1396812797;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 342 @ 0.00088843 = 0.3038 BTC [+]
607872;1396812799;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 615 @ 0.00016572 = 0.1019 BTC [-]
607873;1396812800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04720003 = 0.1416 BTC [-]
607874;1396812816;chairman_meow;!jd
607875;1396812816;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 15362 BTC profit, 32.0k BTC invested, 987.08 mio bets, 5.14 mio BTC wagered
607876;1396812858;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03126 = 0.1876 BTC [+]
607877;1396812879;chairman_meow;what do you think of just-dice?
607878;1396812902;thestringpuller;better than satoshi dice lol
607879;1396813050;mircea_popescu;doog's okay, site's backed by a good idea, tracking under ev for a while and maybe slacking a little in volume lately.
607880;1396813163;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3000 @ 0.00029137 = 0.8741 BTC [+] {5} 
607881;1396813164;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 182 @ 0.00088844 = 0.1617 BTC [+]
607882;1396813224;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04638333 = 0.2783 BTC [-] {5} 
607883;1396813225;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1761 @ 0.00016573 = 0.2919 BTC [+]
607884;1396813226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03131666 = 0.3758 BTC [+] {2} 
607885;1396813289;decimation;mircea_popescu: dekulakization is nothing novel. << moldbug points out that FDR had the same motivations http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.ca/2010/03/true-election-practical-option-for-real.html
607886;1396813300;decimation;"Nor was FDR, as commonly asserted, a "traitor to his class" - anything but it. FDR's beliefs, or at least his speeches (in one so seldom praised for candor, the inference of any actual conviction is at best an exercise of imagination) can indeed be studied as almost perfect reflections of the intellectual fashions of America's apex upper class, the socialite-socialist aristocracy. These fashions have changed somewhat since 1933, but not that
607887;1396813301;decimation;much."
607888;1396813380;mircea_popescu;right.
607889;1396813407;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 350 @ 0.0002998 = 0.1049 BTC [+]
607890;1396813453;decimation;one can sympathize with the impulse of the rich and powerful to keep the middle down, if only so that they are the only yacht-owners in the harbor
607891;1396813480;bounce;"'merkin crusty upper crust is crusty", or what?
607892;1396813525;bounce;shades of pterry's small gods. get unlimited power, spend it on garden gnomes.
607893;1396813663;mircea_popescu;i srsly dun see it.
607894;1396813714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16418 @ 0.00097883 = 16.0704 BTC [-] {2} 
607895;1396813714;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05450001 = 0.4905 BTC [-] {2} 
607896;1396813773;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1364 @ 0.0002998 = 0.4089 BTC [+]
607897;1396813775;bounce;oh probably differen title, actualy. mort, I think.
607898;1396813905;bounce;it's a matter of attitude. why even bother spend any effort, money, whatever, on keeping the (not that uncultured part of the) plebs down? so many other things you could do with your wealth and power. what do you value? well, those values apparently aren't that highfalutin', after all.
607899;1396814018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00098057 = 8.3839 BTC [+] {2} 
607900;1396814018;bounce;to some it's not merely necessary to win, but for others to lose. turn a non-zero-sum game into a zero-sum game, why don't you.
607901;1396814070;mircea_popescu;bounce that's only half of it. suppose you have a daughter. who's she to marry ?
607902;1396814078;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0545 = 0.2725 BTC [-]
607903;1396814079;mircea_popescu;suppose your wife cheats. who's she gonna cheat with ?
607904;1396814088;mircea_popescu;suppose you wanna go fucking watch a ball game or actually, strike that
607905;1396814111;thestringpuller;jurov: deposits
607906;1396814116;mircea_popescu;suppose you'd rather do something else with your free time than having to write fucking books because everyone else is too retarded to write the books on their own and they just flock to the fucking gamew instead
607907;1396814139;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.01242001 = 0.1242 BTC [-] {2} 
607908;1396814140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1086 @ 0.000325 = 0.353 BTC [+] {3} 
607909;1396814145;bounce;gamification ftw
607910;1396814220;mircea_popescu;i can't even begin to imagine anyone'd actually want to be stuck having to do everything by hand because well nobody else does because nobody else can because they fucked it all up.
607911;1396814232;mircea_popescu;sounds fucking aeschil-esque, this shit.
607912;1396814269;thestringpuller;the people who can't write books shouldn't write books...
607913;1396814364;punkman;aeschylesque?
607914;1396814369;mircea_popescu;yes.
607915;1396814384;mircea_popescu;anyway, whenbever that idiocy breaks down you get a renaissance, it's uncanny.
607916;1396814394;bounce;what? you're rich and powerful. you could hire a competent writer, or ten, and only keep the best one or two books
607917;1396814418;mircea_popescu;people' fucking irrational fear of people being ironically the most notable obstacle for those same people.
607918;1396814434;mircea_popescu;bounce why should i hire them at all. why aren't they hiring me.
607919;1396814684;bounce;whatever you think important, eh.
607920;1396814837;mircea_popescu;no but did da pope hire da vinci or did da vinci hire the pope
607921;1396814871;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.02010009 = 0.2412 BTC [-]
607922;1396814927;decimation;da vinci was in the pope's wot
607923;1396814973;mircea_popescu;partly because the pope was quite inefficient at either taxing or dekulakizing him out of existence.
607924;1396814992;mircea_popescu;i really should say "regulate" instead of "taxing" but anyway.
607925;1396815024;mircea_popescu;so suppose he were much more efficient at it. he had more money therefore. and now he could hire... condolezza rice.
607926;1396815039;mircea_popescu;to tell him about how "nobody could have drawn a rocket on the wall it just couldn't have been done"
607927;1396815044;mircea_popescu;derpyherp and tyvm.
607928;1396815055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.02010008 = 0.3015 BTC [-] {2} 
607929;1396815238;bounce;what ties leo x to necessarily have an adversarial motivation towards da vinci?
607930;1396815418;bounce;though I don't think da vinci properly classifies as upper middle class in context
607931;1396815664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2315 @ 0.00098415 = 2.2783 BTC [+]
607932;1396815969;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.02707575 = 0.8935 BTC [-] {5} 
607933;1396815970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7156 @ 0.00098695 = 7.0626 BTC [+]
607934;1396816030;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.0259122 = 0.4923 BTC [-] {5} 
607935;1396816518;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0522985 = 0.7845 BTC [-] {4} 
607936;1396816579;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00088844 = 0.2221 BTC [+]
607937;1396816642;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 15000 @ 0.00030066 = 4.5099 BTC [-] {7} 
607938;1396816701;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00039832 = 0.7966 BTC [-] {4} 
607939;1396817373;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.01246506 = 0.6233 BTC [+] {4} 
607940;1396817738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3913 @ 0.00016577 = 0.6487 BTC [-] {4} 
607941;1396817860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.02010009 = 0.2412 BTC [+]
607942;1396817921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6574 @ 0.0001541 = 1.0131 BTC [-] {12} 
607943;1396817947;davout;benkay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVKb3DwPFA8 his faces are almost as good as the music
607944;1396817982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3426 @ 0.00014351 = 0.4917 BTC [-] {5} 
607945;1396818029;benkay;nice, ty
607946;1396818060;benkay;great video work too
607947;1396818077;davout;lol yea, some wtf angles :D
607948;1396818391;benkay;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVKb3DwPFA8#t=369
607949;1396818470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.02010009 = 0.2412 BTC [+]
607950;1396818752;davout;benkay: tokd you
607951;1396818758;davout;s/tokd/told/
607952;1396819385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00098731 = 11.3541 BTC [+] {2} 
607953;1396819751;jurov;thestringpuller aye
607954;1396820423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00037966 = 0.1898 BTC [-] {2} 
607955;1396820483;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00037801 = 0.189 BTC [-]
607956;1396820544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3455 @ 0.00034989 = 1.2089 BTC [+] {3} 
607957;1396820849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00098562 = 16.5091 BTC [-] {3} 
607958;1396821276;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.000378 = 0.378 BTC [-] {2} 
607959;1396821581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1623 @ 0.00014452 = 0.2346 BTC [+] {4} 
607960;1396821642;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05238981 = 0.7858 BTC [+] {5} 
607961;1396821703;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0510899 = 0.5109 BTC [-] {2} 
607962;1396821765;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1545 @ 0.00039586 = 0.6116 BTC [+] {3} 
607963;1396822435;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.02011006 = 0.2413 BTC [+]
607964;1396822496;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3500 @ 0.00044924 = 1.5723 BTC [+] {6} 
607965;1396822497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00098385 = 8.0676 BTC [-]
607966;1396823106;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1530 @ 0.00044999 = 0.6885 BTC [+] {2} 
607967;1396823716;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 382 @ 0.00033004 = 0.1261 BTC [-] {4} 
607968;1396823960;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2175 @ 0.00040013 = 0.8703 BTC [-] {5} 
607969;1396824082;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 350 @ 0.00038884 = 0.1361 BTC [-] {5} 
607970;1396824387;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00098853 = 10.5278 BTC [+]
607971;1396825302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 425 @ 0.00044952 = 0.191 BTC [+] {3} 
607972;1396826174;*;chatquack yawns
607973;1396826227;davout;chatquack: this'll wake you up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fX4XGoVgX4
607974;1396826249;chatquack;ooo I like it already
607975;1396826280;chatquack;Very ugly women though.
607976;1396826420;chatquack;http://i.imgur.com/PCeVu4E.png?1
607977;1396826522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 317 @ 0.00040002 = 0.1268 BTC [-]
607978;1396826644;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 400 @ 0.00040001 = 0.16 BTC [-]
607979;1396826705;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 650 @ 0.00040001 = 0.26 BTC [-]
607980;1396826766;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5001 @ 0.0004 = 2.0004 BTC [-] {2} 
607981;1396826888;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 700 @ 0.0004 = 0.28 BTC [-]
607982;1396826890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00098853 = 6.1783 BTC [+]
607983;1396827437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6545 @ 0.00099008 = 6.4801 BTC [+]
607984;1396828436;Foshizz;Can someone please explain why btc is dropping so much?
607985;1396828474;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1597 @ 0.00014501 = 0.2316 BTC [-] {4} 
607986;1396828535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.00088844 = 0.4442 BTC [+]
607987;1396828657;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1551 @ 0.00043911 = 0.6811 BTC [+] {7} 
607988;1396828929;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
607989;1396828935;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 457.63, vol: 5296.08506762 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 463.23, vol: 7809.90042 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 458.9899, vol: 3441.52850173 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 465.25, vol: 25.69458947 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 458.85, vol: 2396.79880000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 461.81827, vol: 5.1169521 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 461.79725496, vol: 65.65648564 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
607990;1396828939;BingoBoingo;;;more
607991;1396828940;gribble;460.352078641
607992;1396829145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43971 @ 0.00099083 = 43.5678 BTC [+] {6} 
607993;1396829999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 373 @ 0.00037501 = 0.1399 BTC [+] {2} 
607994;1396830121;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03363332 = 0.4036 BTC [+] {5} 
607995;1396830122;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04999999 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2} 
607996;1396831341;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1050 @ 0.00038737 = 0.4067 BTC [-] {3} 
607997;1396835184;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03399999 = 0.17 BTC [+]
607998;1396835185;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [-]
607999;1396835734;KRS-1;.bait
608000;1396835736;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/e691567bc77daf519f44f5cdd030da4b/tumblr_mt7ultz3IT1rr6uq1o1_1280.jpg
608001;1396835859;B007;.bait
608002;1396835861;ozbot;http://37.media.tumblr.com/38b332533cf7b2d0f7158a684e36d16a/tumblr_msyv47ITUw1su77deo1_500.jpg
608003;1396835865;B007;.bait
608004;1396835865;B007;.bait
608005;1396835866;B007;.bait
608006;1396835866;B007;.bait
608007;1396835866;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/7c20d1f2601e236ed7fcf08c86225d30/tumblr_mt6a5oMJqQ1qzs5qao1_500.jpg
608008;1396835899;B007;how's it going KRS-1
608009;1396835911;kakobrekla;ill tell you how. spammy.
608010;1396835938;B007;just a side of spam
608011;1396835984;B007;my baits were hotter
608012;1396835991;B007;er
608013;1396836171;B007;http://newsbtc.com/2014/04/06/search-engine-duckduckgo-will-now-show-bitcoin-prices/
608014;1396836343;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
608015;1396836347;MisterE;I'm downloading GoT right NOW!!!
608016;1396836366;B007;ok
608017;1396836526;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03406666 = 0.2044 BTC [+] {4} 
608018;1396837064;cazalla;MisterE: ty, forgot about that
608019;1396837080;cazalla;wife is off to mums group too so perfect timing
608020;1396837105;MisterE;nice!!
608021;1396837197;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00099262 = 20.6465 BTC [+]
608022;1396837624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36395 @ 0.0009953 = 36.2239 BTC [+] {4} 
608023;1396837737;Mats_cd03;tonight's game of thrones spoiler: everybody dies
608024;1396837746;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05580798 = 0.1116 BTC [-]
608025;1396837757;Mats_cd03;(not really, don't cry)
608026;1396837807;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 230 @ 0.00209747 = 0.4824 BTC [+]
608027;1396838051;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.031589 = 0.2527 BTC [-] {2} 
608028;1396838234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00099878 = 31.4616 BTC [+] {4} 
608029;1396838844;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 45 @ 0.00310647 = 0.1398 BTC [-] {7} 
608030;1396839027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 861 @ 0.00087997 = 0.7577 BTC [-] {3} 
608031;1396839637;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.05581 = 0.7255 BTC [+] {2} 
608032;1396839698;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 18 @ 0.08299776 = 1.494 BTC [-]
608033;1396839759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 15 @ 0.0075 = 0.1125 BTC [+]
608034;1396841528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00100106 = 18.0691 BTC [+] {2} 
608035;1396841711;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.05321432 = 0.3725 BTC [-] {2} 
608036;1396841955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05098995 = 0.153 BTC [+] {3} 
608037;1396842044;benkay;mpoe above 0.001
608038;1396842199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10093 @ 0.00100141 = 10.1072 BTC [+]
608039;1396842321;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0513 = 0.1026 BTC [+]
608040;1396842566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22495 @ 0.00100202 = 22.5404 BTC [+]
608041;1396844584;Mats_cd03;ily benkay
608042;1396844878;benkay;what is it tonight, Mats_cd03 -- mdma?
608043;1396844921;Mats_cd03;what are drugs
608044;1396846530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.02006291 = 0.1404 BTC [-] {2} 
608045;1396848787;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05199999 = 0.104 BTC [+] {2} 
608046;1396848848;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 15 @ 0.0075 = 0.1125 BTC [+]
608047;1396849397;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05208 = 0.2604 BTC [+] {2} 
608048;1396849763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 669 @ 0.00015314 = 0.1025 BTC [+] {2} 
608049;1396849885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00015314 = 0.1531 BTC [+]
608050;1396850135;mircea_popescu;mjr_1 dood fix your connection
608051;1396850190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00100406 = 27.9129 BTC [+]
608052;1396850312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05845612 = 0.1169 BTC [+] {2} 
608053;1396850435;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
608054;1396850640;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
608055;1396850642;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 456.11, Best ask: 459.55, Bid-ask spread: 3.44000, Last trade: 456.11, 24 hour volume: 5779.76299101, 24 hour low: 450.2, 24 hour high: 464.6, 24 hour vwap: 456.121300051
608056;1396850761;mircea_popescu;this is getting to be lulzy, for the past however many weeks it's been glued to 450, people keep coming in asking omg why is it dropping!11
608057;1396850779;mircea_popescu;i guess if you're waiting for it to make you rich and got rent to pay, there's no dropping like stability.
608058;1396851095;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/kim_lesch/status/453034509391646720
608059;1396851095;ozbot;Twitter / kim_lesch: Our 1 bdrm flat is listed for ...
608060;1396851102;mircea_popescu;in other news, us rents now $330 ?!
608061;1396851148;mircea_popescu;ah nz nm.
608062;1396851422;cazalla;damn, NZ is expensive
608063;1396851471;cazalla;i was paying 350 a week here in melbourne (15m from city) for 2 bedroom
608064;1396851532;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00100402 = 5.2711 BTC [-]
608065;1396852105;mircea_popescu;i usually pay about 1k a quarter for a 2 bedroom. cause wtf.
608066;1396852139;mircea_popescu;it's what living space is worth.
608067;1396853099;cazalla;that might get you a car space here
608068;1396853287;Mats_cd03;i lived in boston a bit...that would get you half a car space
608069;1396853330;Mats_cd03;for a few weeks
608070;1396853341;Rick__;arij is here？
608071;1396853384;Mats_cd03;cheap compared to manhattan
608072;1396853435;cazalla;hopefully the ass drops out of the aussie market so i can buy my supernode castle in tasmania cheaper
608073;1396855427;keonne;mircea_popescu: i got the joke a little late, hence the delayed lol
608074;1396855497;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 481 @ 0.00029369 = 0.1413 BTC [-] {5} 
608075;1396855511;keonne;I then started on a path off researching the histoy of the bar mitzvah; and was suitably disgusted
608076;1396855622;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2700 @ 0.00027748 = 0.7492 BTC [-] {6} 
608077;1396855863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00100406 = 26.206 BTC [+]
608078;1396856534;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1218 @ 0.00243136 = 2.9614 BTC [-] {16} 
608079;1396856717;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00240002 = 0.48 BTC [-]
608080;1396859523;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05249 = 0.105 BTC [+] {2} 
608081;1396861170;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315895 = 0.1264 BTC [-] {2} 
608082;1396862452;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9312 @ 0.00100283 = 9.3384 BTC [-] {2} 
608083;1396863061;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00100059 = 19.1613 BTC [-]
608084;1396864952;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26438 @ 0.00100059 = 26.4536 BTC [-]
608085;1396865630;MisterE;hmm zetacoin
608086;1396866740;jurov;kakobrekla pls kick mjr1 mjr2
608087;1396866862;jurov;;;bc,stats
608088;1396866865;gribble;Current Blocks: 294632 | Current Difficulty: 6.119726089128147E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 296351 | Next Difficulty In: 1719 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 9 hours, 13 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6348294504.56 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.73495
608089;1396870320;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0550089 = 0.275 BTC [-] {2} 
608090;1396870625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32859 @ 0.00099931 = 32.8363 BTC [-] {2} 
608091;1396870991;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 383 @ 0.00170919 = 0.6546 BTC [-] {6} 
608092;1396871479;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 451 @ 0.00084058 = 0.3791 BTC [-] {4} 
608093;1396871598;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
608094;1396871601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 547 @ 0.00023273 = 0.1273 BTC [-] {3} 
608095;1396871604;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 459.53, vol: 5183.60938032 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 455.335, vol: 10198.46727 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 457.6, vol: 3120.00026501 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 460.02, vol: 31.1161392 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 455.8297, vol: 1758.32270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 465.49125, vol: 1.98585071 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 461.179874, vol: 33.80007519 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
608096;1396871609;BingoBoingo;;;more
608097;1396871609;gribble;456.813080552
608098;1396872211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.000222 = 0.444 BTC [-]
608099;1396872760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0326 = 0.163 BTC [+]
608100;1396872761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0509899 = 0.4589 BTC [-] {3} 
608101;1396872822;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03359017 = 0.168 BTC [+] {3} 
608102;1396873345;herbijudlestoids;hullo
608103;1396873354;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: i had an idea
608104;1396873431;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: hows doin?
608105;1396873438;BingoBoingo;Not bad herbijudlestoids
608106;1396873485;herbijudlestoids;no news?
608107;1396873492;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03159862 = 0.2528 BTC [-] {3} 
608108;1396873553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00100059 = 10.4061 BTC [+]
608109;1396873614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.055589 = 0.6115 BTC [+] {2} 
608110;1396873718;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Nothing I can think of off the top of my head
608111;1396873761;herbijudlestoids;any BTCUSD forecasts? :P
608112;1396873954;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: if someone wanted to offer hosting services, do you think most people are after a VPS with SSH access? or just a VPS with a panel?
608113;1396873975;chairman_meow;Hello
608114;1396873991;chairman_meow;is there another gambling site that I can invest in?
608115;1396874000;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: It probably really depends on the customer.
608116;1396874002;chairman_meow;like just-dice
608117;1396874187;chairman_meow;!help
608118;1396874187;assbot;List of commands:
608119;1396874188;assbot;!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
608120;1396874189;assbot;!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
608121;1396874190;assbot;!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
608122;1396874191;assbot;!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
608123;1396874192;assbot;!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
608124;1396874193;assbot;!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
608125;1396874194;assbot;!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
608126;1396874195;assbot;!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
608127;1396874217;chairman_meow;!bash sudo
608128;1396874233;chairman_meow;!bash sudo shutdown
608129;1396874235;chairman_meow;heh
608130;1396874285;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.056005 = 0.28 BTC [+]
608131;1396874654;Apocalyptic;herbijudlestoids, you're still doing market-making in ATC/BTC ?
608132;1396874847;keonne;mjr for the love of irc learn to screen session
608133;1396875078;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-]
608134;1396875444;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1532 @ 0.00083772 = 1.2834 BTC [-] {10} 
608135;1396875505;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 230 @ 0.000833 = 0.1916 BTC [-]
608136;1396875993;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1295 @ 0.00020544 = 0.266 BTC [-] {11} 
608137;1396876969;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 26809 @ 0.00012909 = 3.4608 BTC [-] {40} 
608138;1396877826;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
608139;1396878372;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00013 = 0.13 BTC [-]
608140;1396878555;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00014998 = 0.3 BTC [+] {5} 
608141;1396878738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00013 = 0.13 BTC [-]
608142;1396878779;DudeSj;;;ident
608143;1396878779;gribble;Nick 'DudeSj', with hostmask 'DudeSj!~linux@2600:1004:b106:70a1:a437:14a:7848:9dec', is not identified.
608144;1396878789;Apocalyptic;http://cointelegraph.com/post/bitcoin_moscow_conference_postponed
608145;1396878791;ozbot;Bitcoin Moscow Conference Postponed
608146;1396878821;Apocalyptic;"the decision to postpone the event was a direct result of a “negative response from government authorities” or more specifically, The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, the FSB"
608147;1396879043;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1002 @ 0.00014521 = 0.1455 BTC [+] {3} 
608148;1396879105;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03158902 = 0.4738 BTC [+]
608149;1396879544;bitcoinpete;howdy
608150;1396879589;bitcoinpete;.d
608151;1396879589;ozbot;6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1697 blocks | Estimated Change: 2.9780% in 11d 10h 20m 40s
608152;1396879775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7446 @ 0.00099945 = 7.4419 BTC [-]
608153;1396880105;bitcoinpete;;;later tell wywialm thx for reading. i suspect that both prices and wages are downward rigid. the effect of this will be the necessary checking of egos. hunger will loosen up that rigidity before long. the human competitive streak will soon come out --> renaissance.
608154;1396880105;gribble;The operation succeeded.
608155;1396880332;bitcoinpete;for enlightenment and enjoyment, i picked apart peter vehehes' latest "Annual Letter from the Chairman of the Bitcoin Foundation":
608156;1396880340;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/analysis-annual-letter-from-bitcoin-fundation-chairman-vehehes/
608157;1396880347;ozbot;Analysis: Annual Letter From Bitcoin Fundation Chairman Peter Vehehes | When Bitcoin Met Pete
608158;1396880446;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0306 = 0.153 BTC [-]
608159;1396880490;bounce;looks like a typo in the guy's surname
608160;1396880496;jurov;hehehehe
608161;1396880512;bitcoinpete;lol
608162;1396880535;bitcoinpete;;;google trilema vehehes
608163;1396880535;gribble;Recapitulatio pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/recapitulatio/>; In re noobs and conventions pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/in-re-noobs-and-conventions/>
608164;1396880566;jurov;not typo, it's explained in footnote
608165;1396880570;Apocalyptic;Vehehes, that's priceless
608166;1396880611;bitcoinpete;i was using "vehaha", then saw that mp had already played on it, so i adopted his for the sake of continuity
608167;1396880641;jurov;mocking shall be consistent :D
608168;1396880672;bitcoinpete;it's stronger that way
608169;1396881090;bitcoinpete;“We believe that all of the expenses the SEC was complaining of were permitted by the limited partnership agreements and Delaware law,� said Aegis Frumento, a partner at Stern Tannenbaum & Bell LLP in New York, who represents Brittenham and the firm. “We have every confidence at the end of the day that these charges will not be found to have been fraudulent under the Investors Advisers Act.�
608170;1396881092;bitcoinpete;http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-04-07/bogus-private-equity-fees-said-found-at-200-firms-in-sec-review
608171;1396881094;ozbot;Bogus Private-Equity Fees Said Found at 200 Firms in SEC Review - Businessweek
608172;1396881110;bitcoinpete;the sec can't even nail down fiat businesses
608173;1396881117;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05502007 = 0.5502 BTC [-] {4} 
608174;1396881422;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05511111 = 0.5511 BTC [+]
608175;1396881788;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 160 @ 0.05500347 = 8.8006 BTC [-] {3} 
608176;1396881971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00100163 = 27.4447 BTC [+] {2} 
608177;1396882459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01710001 = 0.171 BTC [-]
608178;1396882460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0509899 = 0.102 BTC [-]
608179;1396882766;Mats_cd03;merr
608180;1396882863;asciilifeform;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-07/ceo-liechtenstein-bank-frick-murdered
608181;1396882865;ozbot;CEO Of Liechtenstein Bank Frick Murdered In Broad Daylight | Zero Hedge
608182;1396882928;mike_c;he must not have agreed to the banker suicide pact.
608183;1396883008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.055 = 0.22 BTC [-]
608184;1396883069;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05110081 = 0.511 BTC [-] {3} 
608185;1396883157;jurov;that's why they pay themselves bonuses for hazardous working conditions
608186;1396883290;Apocalyptic;jurov has it
608187;1396883557;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00554114 = 0.3934 BTC [-] {6} 
608188;1396884238;Mats_cd03;all of the consumer versions of quadcopters suck balls
608189;1396884267;Mats_cd03;if you build a decent consumer quadcopter with challenge and response i will be your first customer
608190;1396884289;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05677298 = 0.2271 BTC [+]
608191;1396884411;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05677308 = 0.2839 BTC [+] {2} 
608192;1396884703;bitcoinpete;mpoe takes it down
608193;1396884704;bitcoinpete;http://bitbet.us/bet/784/s-mpoe-to-rise-above-0-001-before-july/
608194;1396884705;ozbot;BitBet - S.MPOE to rise above 0.001 before July
608195;1396884717;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05110006 = 0.7665 BTC [-] {4} 
608196;1396884727;mike_c;!last s.mpoe
608197;1396884727;assbot;I thought I told you not to touch me.
608198;1396884773;mike_c;unbelievable.  i would write a blog post on this if i understood it at all.
608199;1396884777;jurov;!last m s.mpoe
608200;1396884777;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00100163 BTC [+]
608201;1396884802;mike_c;step 1) turn off 70% of revenue.  step 2) stock goes up 20%.
608202;1396884821;Apocalyptic;heh
608203;1396884822;mike_c;step 3) ??  step 4) profit!
608204;1396884844;jurov;you weren't there when S.DICE traded. there were massive buys *just after* dividends were paid
608205;1396884851;jurov;every month
608206;1396884854;KRS-1;step 5) beat off to some .bait step 6) take a shit
608207;1396884955;mike_c;yeah, luckily i showed up after the dice bubble and before the acquisition :)
608208;1396884960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1205 @ 0.00100511 = 1.2112 BTC [+] {2} 
608209;1396884969;bitcoinpete;mike_c i think the sec press brought in new money
608210;1396885023;bitcoinpete;existing investors gained confidence, new ones stepped up to the plate and learned how to mpex
608211;1396885027;mike_c;well if you understand it you should write a post.  it's quite something.
608212;1396885064;jurov;step 7) nap time
608213;1396885070;bitcoinpete;it really is something
608214;1396885204;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.01339998 = 0.1474 BTC [+] {2} 
608215;1396885273;lippoper;!bait
608216;1396885305;lippoper;.bait
608217;1396885307;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/5928e708574aeee1575bbcbd898bfae4/tumblr_muj4sahrnF1swv68oo1_1280.jpg
608218;1396885313;nubbins`;$330nzd per week for a 1br?!
608219;1396885327;nubbins`;;;calc (283.37*52)/12
608220;1396885327;gribble;1227.93666667
608221;1396885331;nubbins`;wow
608222;1396885401;bitcoinpete;how much is a 1br in the maritimes?
608223;1396885509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00100275 = 7.0193 BTC [-]
608224;1396885606;nubbins`;while technically not the maritimes, a 1br apt in downtown st. john's, newfoundland will run you 700-900
608225;1396885625;nubbins`;2-3br for $1000-1200 for something nice
608226;1396885643;nubbins`;5 years ago you could find the same 1br for $600
608227;1396885655;Namworld;not much difference for 1-2 bedroom extra
608228;1396885715;bitcoinpete;reasonable enough
608229;1396885760;nubbins`;Namworld there are very few 1br apartments so the prices on 'em are a bit high
608230;1396885816;nubbins`;i mean, you can still get a 1br slum for $500
608231;1396885844;nubbins`;but for something that an adult with dignity and respect would live in...
608232;1396885897;bounce;probably should do a writeup of that "research" so you have something proper to link to.
608233;1396885966;bitcoinpete;bounce that'd be awesome
608234;1396886004;bitcoinpete;let me know when it's done and i'll edit accordingly
608235;1396886066;Namworld;I don't think "Canada Slums" and "Slums" are the same thing. By international standard, probably luxurious
608236;1396886077;Namworld;eh
608237;1396886110;Namworld;Two issues you don't want is water leaks or vermin infested building.
608238;1396886151;Namworld;Otherwise, even if the place ain't nice, just cleaning it through and keeping it so and no problems.
608239;1396886159;bitcoinpete;canada has plenty of places with mice, bedbugs, mold, and maybe worst of all inadequate heat
608240;1396886170;Namworld;yeah
608241;1396886185;bounce;will do.
608242;1396886185;bitcoinpete;i've seen some that charge 900+/mo too
608243;1396886214;bitcoinpete;it's criminal. and frequently prosecuted as such
608244;1396886226;Namworld;And if you rent that, you haven't looked around enough.
608245;1396886241;Namworld;Cause you can get much better for cheaper.
608246;1396886255;bounce;so we see that slums aren't necessarily cheap. why then do people still dwell there?
608247;1396886269;Namworld;idk
608248;1396886279;bitcoinpete;namworld 100%. my guess is that people tolerate it because it places them close to their community, including family and social services
608249;1396886289;Namworld;I can find good appartments for cheaper anytime.
608250;1396886292;bounce;just saying "haven't looked around enough" is too easy. one common reason is because the slum-dwellers don't have access to anything better.
608251;1396886308;bitcoinpete;and they don't need a damage deposit at these places
608252;1396886327;Namworld;Why not? Poor credit/no money for deposit, yeah, I guess.
608253;1396886346;bounce;not being part of the, well, bezzle economy is the word here
608254;1396886356;bitcoinpete;and they don't need to sign a 1yr lease
608255;1396886362;Namworld;But you pay too much for less...
608256;1396886363;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.22203904 BTC to 5`408 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
608257;1396886365;bitcoinpete;bounce exactly
608258;1396886380;bitcoinpete;alt economy
608259;1396886449;bounce;hernando de soto wrote about it, _the mystery of capital_, just why some people have no access to the official economy and so dwell in the alternative shadow economy
608260;1396886459;bitcoinpete;the bezzle economy deploys its regulators under the guide of "public health" to clean this stuff up but it really can't go away
608261;1396886491;bitcoinpete;if anything, it's growing
608262;1396886503;bounce;there are ways to fix it but since they're a symptom of a(n often deliberately) broken official economy, that needs fixing first
608263;1396886607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7678 @ 0.00100494 = 7.7159 BTC [+]
608264;1396886622;bounce;take a piece of land, try and put a building on it. some places the paperwork can easily take 200+ forms and 10+ years. so people just start to build and rent out the building without bothering with the paperwork. it's a risk, but, you know.
608265;1396886623;bitcoinpete;just like the medical system treats symptoms like cancer instead of the root causes, like shitty food
608266;1396886713;bitcoinpete;keeps the barriers to entry high and the entrenched players comfy and content
608267;1396886810;jurov;i don't think checking the building isn't gonna fall someday is easy
608268;1396886833;jurov;it's easy to bash... pointing out which regulations are nonsense is harder
608269;1396886868;bitcoinpete;hard to check without hammurabi's code
608270;1396886901;asciilifeform;lol
608271;1396886943;asciilifeform;i once read that 'hammurabi's building code' is still king, in the... submarine industry
608272;1396886963;asciilifeform;everybody, architect, welders, riveters - get to take a free trip to max depth
608273;1396886985;Namworld;Where the fuck does it take 200 forms and 10 years to start building? The Land of Bureaucratia?
608274;1396887000;bitcoinpete;they should be permanent crew lol
608275;1396887034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05110001 = 0.511 BTC [-] {2} 
608276;1396887060;bitcoinpete;asciilifeform: give them a little bunk next to the captain's
608277;1396887063;asciilifeform;the permanent crew are pros - afaik, in all modern countries
608278;1396887132;bounce;many, many places. generally the places with large informal economies
608279;1396887140;bitcoinpete;Namworld: california maybe? i hear their paperwork is nuts
608280;1396887206;ThickAsThieves;"Better yet: if the Bitcoin community managed to change the protocol to increase the rate that miners can “unlock� new coins… Bitcoin might have a built-in incentive to both adopt the currency and report taxable earnings. Let’s say that we accepted an inflationary Bitcoin, much like we have an inflationary dollar, around 2 or 3% annualized. At the end of the year, a consistently
608281;1396887207;ThickAsThieves;inflating bitcoin would trigger no capital gains liability, only capital losses, reducing the tax liability of the filer."
608282;1396887221;ThickAsThieves;bircoin ragazine never fails to fail
608283;1396887258;bitcoinpete;asciilifeform: architects of land buildings take tours of their work too. weaknesses from buried risks aren't really tested upfront
608284;1396887267;thestringpuller;wow bitcoin magazine is really scraping the bottom of the barrel these days
608285;1396887281;thestringpuller;is it still like 100 dollars for a 1 year subscription?
608286;1396887288;thestringpuller;;;google bitcoin magazine subscription
608287;1396887289;gribble;Bitcoin Magazine Subscription – Bitcoin Magazine: <http://bitcoinmagazine.com/product/3368/subscription12months/>; TIME TO RENEW YOUR SUBSCRIPTION! – Bitcoin Magazine: <http://bitcoinmagazine.com/6120/time-to-renew-your-subscription-2/>; Bitcoin Magazine Issue #7 (February 2013): 9781622096701 ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Bitcoin-Magazine-Issue-February-2013/dp/1622096703>
608288;1396887291;bitcoinpete;ThickAsThieves: that's atrocious
608289;1396887313;bitcoinpete;it's also why there's doge
608290;1396887323;thestringpuller;Bitcoin Magazine Subscription
608291;1396887325;thestringpuller;$99.95
608292;1396887329;thestringpuller;really?
608293;1396887336;ThickAsThieves;it's collectible!
608294;1396887337;asciilifeform;that thing still exists ?!
608295;1396887342;thestringpuller;if trilema were in print it wouldn't even be that expensive
608296;1396887377;pLambert;business idea! collect the trilemma posts for each month and print them
608297;1396887392;ThickAsThieves;$10 worth of bitcoin has got me through a year of trilema
608298;1396887400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0511 = 0.511 BTC [-] {2} 
608299;1396887413;Namworld;Do you want to pay taxes on gains, or deduct losses... of actual losses... One gains you more, even after taxes, the other deprives you of money...
608300;1396887428;Namworld;What the fuck, Bitcoin Magazine?
608301;1396887429;ThickAsThieves;i kinda think he undercharges
608302;1396887448;thestringpuller;i have like 20k trilema credits...
608303;1396887464;thestringpuller;i use like maybe 1k a year...
608304;1396887484;bitcoinpete;i kinda like not having purchased any credits
608305;1396887518;bitcoinpete;prevents me from spending my days doing as the 18th century jooz, as mp once put it
608306;1396887923;Mats_cd03;whoever runs blockr... whats a 'huge' amount of requests? >20k?
608307;1396888066;bitcoinpete;"George Kikvadze, board member and advisor of BitFury, said Monday that if the notion of a finite number of bitcoins was ever altered it would be fair and should not undermine the value."
608308;1396888071;bitcoinpete;http://www.cnbc.com/id/101560477
608309;1396888072;ozbot;'Regulation is good,' says bitcoin mining giant
608310;1396888132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16484 @ 0.00100032 = 16.4893 BTC [-] {3} 
608311;1396888193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22405 @ 0.00099839 = 22.3689 BTC [-]
608312;1396888249;kakobrekla;dafuq fury.
608313;1396888263;thestringpuller;what the fuck?!?!?
608314;1396888274;thestringpuller;where the fuck is all this talk of making bitcoin inflationary coming from?
608315;1396888280;thestringpuller;holy shit i'm irate right now
608316;1396888297;kakobrekla;Mats_cd03 i forgot, but you get a temp ban (lasting minutes) if you go over it
608317;1396888328;bitcoinpete;thestringpuller: gotta be puppets with guns to their heads
608318;1396888361;bitcoinpete;it's probably to be taken as seriously as the greenlist talk
608319;1396888364;bitcoinpete;it's just talk
608320;1396888424;ThickAsThieves;they can try, and the people who dont like it can stay on the other prong of the fork
608321;1396888429;bitcoinpete;that bitfury is looking to ipo in london is hilarious tho. they should try mpex first
608322;1396888446;kakobrekla;is that in the article
608323;1396888450;kakobrekla;havent opened it
608324;1396888472;bitcoinpete;kakobrekla: it's in the video in the article, ya
608325;1396888496;bitcoinpete;ThickAsThieves: ya, then we'll see if inflationary btc' is worth more or less than satoshi's btc
608326;1396888499;kakobrekla;i dunno, i know fury a bit, we talked a lot before he became famous, i wouldnt think he would be up for that.
608327;1396888539;bitcoinpete;people change, incentives change
608328;1396888555;kakobrekla;or just a stoned board member
608329;1396888582;bitcoinpete;chemicals change...
608330;1396888591;kakobrekla;:)
608331;1396888645;Namworld;Hey, Bitcoin Magazine is a premium magazine for the amateur of lulz, of course it commands a premium price. It's hard work coming up with this amount of lulz.
608332;1396888658;benkay;tchaw bitcoinpete the chems are the same as they've always been
608333;1396888670;ThickAsThieves;it's hard to battle idiocy on tv, it corrupts through the nature of its questioning alone
608334;1396888673;bitcoinpete;Namworld: mad magazine is hard work too
608335;1396888681;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60299899 BTC [-]
608336;1396888697;Mats_cd03;watch The Newsroom
608337;1396888710;bitcoinpete;benkay: it's how and when they're used that changes :)
608338;1396888730;Namworld;I have no idea what kind of price and content MAD has got going, honestly.
608339;1396888777;bitcoinpete;it's probably still 6 bucks a copy and full of gold, just like when i was a yoof
608340;1396888803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4223 @ 0.00099819 = 4.2154 BTC [-]
608341;1396888970;bitcoinpete;I'm going to this next weekend. I wonder which speaker will be the lulziest
608342;1396888971;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinexpo.ca/speakers2/
608343;1396888974;ozbot;SPEAKERS | Bitcoin Expo 2014 in Toronto - April 11 - 13Bitcoin Expo 2014 in Toronto – April 11 –
608344;1396889019;bitcoinpete;i'll see if anyone else there can as readily point out the scammers as -assets
608345;1396889048;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.03003333 = 0.7208 BTC [-] {4} 
608346;1396889230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.05248452 = 0.6823 BTC [+] {2} 
608347;1396889232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00099797 = 8.1834 BTC [-] {2} 
608348;1396889352;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
608349;1396889543;bitcoinpete;the sun beckons, cheers
608350;1396889901;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1277 @ 0.00011595 = 0.1481 BTC [-] {9} 
608351;1396890145;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-]
608352;1396890206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1661 @ 0.00099839 = 1.6583 BTC [+]
608353;1396890206;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05669786 = 0.1134 BTC [-]
608354;1396890670;thestringpuller;benkay still around?
608355;1396890809;domsch;Johann is speaking there - didn’t know that, awesome.
608356;1396890829;mike_c;holy part spam batman.  kakobrekla: mjr1 & mjr2 have been join/quitting constantly for hours..
608357;1396890891;jurov;gotta hack he b-a.com again and put my addy there
608358;1396890906;benkay;hey thestringpuller
608359;1396890916;jurov;that will be a hefty donation
608360;1396890919;thestringpuller;benkay: pm
608361;1396890944;mike_c;sorry jurov, now they are running the secure version of wordpress :D
608362;1396890957;jurov;is there one?
608363;1396890963;Apocalyptic;that's the joke
608364;1396890963;kakobrekla;i dont see anything
608365;1396890975;kakobrekla;prolly cause i have joins and parts disabled
608366;1396890995;kakobrekla;which i recommend.
608367;1396890995;jurov;ur cheating!
608368;1396891046;mike_c;who's on the board of b-a? we need to out-vote the chairman.
608369;1396891050;kakobrekla;well, you have to be first, best or cheat, you pick.
608370;1396891080;mike_c;mutiny!
608371;1396891136;kakobrekla;but try it, life is so much better without that spam
608372;1396891160;mike_c;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-W9AJJ__uOe4/UJlkWBj67LI/AAAAAAAAFAo/mhR743zFylY/s1600/shenanigans.jpg
608373;1396891202;kakobrekla;not in the face!
608374;1396891207;Mats_cd03;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/8L6706Y7
608375;1396891207;gribble;The operation succeeded.
608376;1396891221;Mats_cd03;^bitbet audit
608377;1396891238;benkay;https://www.counterwallet.co/
608378;1396891279;Mats_cd03;are you an ass man, benkay
608379;1396891287;benkay;counterparty is pumping money into css too
608380;1396891291;benkay;https://www.counterparty.co/
608381;1396891304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60299999 BTC [+]
608382;1396891305;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00579758 = 0.2957 BTC [+] {3} 
608383;1396891323;kakobrekla;o, audit. well thats a start. can you include liabilities as well?
608384;1396891331;Mats_cd03;woops
608385;1396891349;Mats_cd03;i thought about it and forgot to do it
608386;1396891357;kakobrekla;:)
608387;1396891366;mike_c;and maybe filter out the 0's?
608388;1396891426;mike_c;impressive though, bitbet holding 3000 btc in bets.
608389;1396891490;kakobrekla;a decent size of it is a buffer
608390;1396891608;kakobrekla;anyway, Mats_cd03 , just sum all the confirmed bets on the open bets and take out 1% and thats that
608391;1396892829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00014501 = 0.29 BTC [-] {5} 
608392;1396892974;ThickAsThieves;http://pando.com/2014/04/07/documents-show-gogo-boasted-of-helping-law-enforcement-agencies-spy-on-in-flight-wifi/
608393;1396892975;ozbot;Documents show Gogo boasted of helping law enforcement agencies spy on in-flight wifi | PandoDaily
608394;1396893707;punkman;+
608395;1396894079;jurov;http://www.antichipotle.com/git/ lol markovchain generated manual
608396;1396894080;ozbot;GIT-WORK
608397;1396894098;jurov;send your worst enemy when they need it
608398;1396894781;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.01200002 = 0.132 BTC [+]
608399;1396895513;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.00579794 = 0.2725 BTC [+]
608400;1396895514;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+]
608401;1396895589;Namworld;Why would you be safe at all in the sky to start with? It's not like you don't connect to the same Internet. In fact, there's extra steps where to install snooping devices.
608402;1396895757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75550 @ 0.00099938 = 75.5032 BTC [+] {3} 
608403;1396896245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00099896 = 16.9823 BTC [-]
608404;1396896990;Mats_cd03;ive come to realize i suck at writing code
608405;1396896992;ThickAsThieves;;;later tell mircea_popescu Does SMG have all its audio/music/fx under control already?
608406;1396896993;gribble;The operation succeeded.
608407;1396896998;Mats_cd03;it hurts my ego
608408;1396897221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04910221 = 0.2946 BTC [-]
608409;1396897343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39100 @ 0.00100535 = 39.3092 BTC [+] {2} 
608410;1396897491;thestringpuller;ThickAsThieves: you moving into the audio game?
608411;1396898064;nubbins`;16:16:17pLambert:business idea! collect the trilemma posts for each month and print them <<< that's actually not a business idea
608412;1396898076;thestringpuller;;;later chetty should we put a gribble bot in #eulora?
608413;1396898077;gribble;Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "chetty" in it.  Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
608414;1396898083;thestringpuller;;;later tell chetty should we put a gribble bot in #eulora?
608415;1396898083;gribble;The operation succeeded.
608416;1396898095;thestringpuller;nubbins`: would be a good magazine idea
608417;1396898101;thestringpuller;Trilema: The Magazine
608418;1396898365;nubbins`;thestringpuller: why would anyone buy it?
608419;1396898380;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 497 @ 0.000832 = 0.4135 BTC [-] {3} 
608420;1396898441;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.056547 = 0.1131 BTC [-]
608421;1396898443;nubbins`;if bitcoin magazine has to charge $99 for a year subscription because their readership is so small, imagine what a year of trilema would cost
608422;1396898536;thestringpuller;lol didn't say it would be a profitable idea
608423;1396898563;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.056547 = 0.5655 BTC [-]
608424;1396898578;nubbins`;idea: throw hundred-dollar bills out of a moving vehicle
608425;1396898578;nubbins`;:D
608426;1396898594;thestringpuller;BRILLIANT
608427;1396898646;thestringpuller;make it rain up in here
608428;1396898685;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05249997 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2} 
608429;1396898733;ThickAsThieves;<thestringpuller> ThickAsThieves: you moving into the audio game? /// I've been in and out of it for a long time. Flirting with getting back in.
608430;1396899315;Mats_cd03;kakobrekla: http://pastebin.com/dLaHuZnC 1771.37574931 in liabilities
608431;1396899343;Mats_cd03;oops, i didnt take 1% from that number
608432;1396899372;Mats_cd03;1753.6619918169
608433;1396899382;kakobrekla;cool, so its a double reverse fractional reserve
608434;1396899417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014999 = 0.15 BTC [+]
608435;1396899418;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05249998 = 0.105 BTC [+]
608436;1396899452;kakobrekla;perhaps join all this with the methodology used in some blogpost and make it useful for people?
608437;1396899462;Mats_cd03;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/dLaHuZnC 1753.6619918169 btc in liabilities after house takes a cut
608438;1396899462;gribble;The operation succeeded.
608439;1396899479;Mats_cd03;i thought about it but thats a lot of work
608440;1396899492;Mats_cd03;compared to the time i spent writing the code
608441;1396899532;kakobrekla;eh? a few sentences should do
608442;1396899543;Mats_cd03;i used an html parsing library in python to scrape bitbet then pinged blockr with the balance requests
608443;1396899557;mike_c;ooh, you know bitbet serves up json?
608444;1396899564;Mats_cd03;yeah
608445;1396899601;mike_c;parsing is more fun? ;)
608446;1396899607;kakobrekla;the point is, the result is now scattered over a days worth of log. the thing is worthy of being published in a coherent matter.
608447;1396899642;Mats_cd03;i couldnt find any python code to parse the jsend format and cant be arsed to do it myself
608448;1396899661;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05654718 = 0.2827 BTC [+]
608449;1396899663;Mats_cd03;so i just spammed the api and went to take a poop while it ran
608450;1396899722;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.05654718 = 0.7917 BTC [+] {2} 
608451;1396899723;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.030105 = 0.4516 BTC [-]
608452;1396899743;mike_c;ah. well, for future reference:  import json; json.loads(data) will give you a python dict with all the info.
608453;1396899750;Mats_cd03;kakobrekla: ill work up a report in the next day
608454;1396899791;kakobrekla;cool, if you dont run a blog or dont have a place to publish it, perhaps some other asseteer blogger would publish you, dunno, just sayin
608455;1396899797;Mats_cd03;mike_c: lol...whoops. i dont do any web dev
608456;1396899801;thestringpuller;interesting that bitbet is so transparent it can be independently audited
608457;1396899845;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2250 @ 0.000125 = 0.2813 BTC [-]
608458;1396899881;Mats_cd03;(i didnt know jsend is json and a cursory goog search of jsend wasnt helpful)
608459;1396899954;mike_c;so extra bonus for doing the research, you learned some more python.
608460;1396899959;mike_c;always nice.
608461;1396900004;mike_c;net net: bitbet has 3000 in assets and 1700 in liabilities?
608462;1396900027;kakobrekla;something like that
608463;1396900417;kakobrekla;>Litecoin Creator (Charlie Lee) Recommends Merged Mining with Dogecoin
608464;1396900420;kakobrekla;go litecoin!
608465;1396900505;punkman;chuck be trippin
608466;1396900698;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 48 @ 0.01191457 = 0.5719 BTC [-] {7} 
608467;1396900759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.01174424 = 0.3054 BTC [-] {2} 
608468;1396900910;blackwhite;hola peeps
608469;1396901004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03159231 = 0.3159 BTC [+] {2} 
608470;1396901060;twizt;sup
608471;1396901186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30398 @ 0.00100089 = 30.4251 BTC [-]
608472;1396901210;nubbins`;!t m mpoe
608473;1396901210;assbot;I thought I told you not to touch me.
608474;1396901216;nubbins`;!t m s.mpoe
608475;1396901216;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00098385 / 0.00099837 / 0.0010056 (675729 shares, 674.63 BTC), 7D: 0.00093355 / 0.00095927 / 0.0010056 (5780800 shares, 5,545.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00079084 / 0.00089519 / 0.0010056 (27916312 shares, 24,990.63 BTC)
608476;1396901223;nubbins`;i only listen to restraining orders
608477;1396901537;Mats_cd03;kakobrekla: whoever posts it first on their blog can has it, i figure mp will write a trilema post eventually
608478;1396901566;Mats_cd03;As of 7APR2014 16:37:00GMT, BitBet has a total balance of 2889.82820674 BTC with outstanding liabilities of 1753.6619918169 BTC. In total, 8874 addresses have deposited funds (http://pastebin.com/8L6706Y7), and there are currently 93 open bets with deposits totaling 1771.37574931 BTC (http://pastebin.com/dLaHuZnC). After operating for little more than a
608479;1396901566;Mats_cd03;year, BitBet has accumulated 1136.1662149231001 BTC in revenue. I used Beautiful Soup (a Python library designed for screen scraping) to pull table data (BTC addresses, quantity deposited) and looked up address balances with blockr.io’s API. If you wish to reproduce these results with Python, I would recommend using the Requests library, which is superior
608480;1396901566;Mats_cd03;to urllib2. Readers are encouraged to verify this data.
608481;1396901921;bitcoinpete_;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/results-of-first-bitbet-audit-april-7-2014/
608482;1396901934;ozbot;Results Of First BitBet Audit, April 7 2014 | When Bitcoin Met Pete
608483;1396902345;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05389 = 0.4311 BTC [-] {2} 
608484;1396902346;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03159982 = 0.3792 BTC [+] {2} 
608485;1396902467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1760 @ 0.000125 = 0.22 BTC [-]
608486;1396902478;kakobrekla;there we go
608487;1396902506;punkman;"I want a gambling slot app that looks fancy and runs smoothly. It will accept bitcoins. The app will also have a back end that controls the odds in realtime. The reason for this app is that my wife is addicted to gambiling & I would like To keep the bitcoins."
608488;1396902576;Mats_cd03;brilliant
608489;1396902698;kakobrekla;;;rate Mats_cd03 1 did the first public bitbet.us audit
608490;1396902699;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
608491;1396902717;kakobrekla;mkay
608492;1396902731;Mats_cd03;ill get to it
608493;1396902852;Namworld;"Here honey, gamble as much as you want. If you need more money, just ask."
608494;1396902911;Namworld;Wife gambles elsewhere/actually wins big for once and tries to withdraw.
608495;1396902925;Mats_cd03;if she gets lucky youll have esplainin to do
608496;1396902928;Namworld;That's what's gonna happen to that guy, punkman.
608497;1396902955;punkman;you control the odds, remember
608498;1396902976;Namworld;Oh. Well eh
608499;1396902991;Namworld;Still, gamble elsewhere.
608500;1396902999;punkman;could probably get her to quit gambling
608501;1396903016;Namworld;What about she just gambles elsewhere?
608502;1396903024;Namworld;Seeing the odds are no good there?
608503;1396903040;punkman;yeah she will likely conclude it's rigged/crap and try elsewhere
608504;1396903052;Namworld;She can just move funds elsewhere. And if not, it's just another play chips game app.
608505;1396903061;punkman;people are suspicious of virtual dice
608506;1396903076;Namworld;That's not how you quit. Guy will just get in trouble for it, playing in his wife's back like that.
608507;1396903128;punkman;I'm wondering if the woman is gambling with btc in the first place
608508;1396903140;punkman;or if the dude thinks that's a good idea to introduce to her
608509;1396903193;Namworld;If he controls odds and she's never losing everything... gonna look weird. "I never win big yet I never lose my balance. Been going for 2 trillion bets. What are the odds?"
608510;1396903245;Namworld;Guy: I'll just pretend my wife has issues, maybe someone develops me a gambling app for cheaper that way? So much profits for me!
608511;1396903323;Namworld;Guy: Maybe if I get my wife hooked up on MY app, I won't have to quit her for losing all our money. I can also get her hooked on me giving her back the gambling money to fuel the habit! What could go wrong?
608512;1396903387;Namworld;I can't see any way whatever he wants to achieve wouldn't be somewhat retarded to completly retarded.
608513;1396903565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.03019103 = 0.5434 BTC [-] {3} 
608514;1396904358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-] {2} 
608515;1396904482;thestringpuller;;;seen Bugpowder
608516;1396904482;gribble;Bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 3 days, 18 hours, 38 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <Bugpowder> Whee... http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto
608517;1396904496;thestringpuller;whatever happened to Bugpowder, must be retired.
608518;1396904541;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.03010039 = 0.6622 BTC [-] {6} 
608519;1396904724;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.03010005 = 0.3913 BTC [-] {6} 
608520;1396904785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0301001 = 0.2408 BTC [+] {2} 
608521;1396904846;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05249885 = 0.105 BTC [+]
608522;1396904968;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05249999 = 0.2625 BTC [+] {4} 
608523;1396905212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.08299776 = 1.66 BTC [-]
608524;1396905517;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.000125 = 0.25 BTC [-]
608525;1396905518;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05299999 = 0.106 BTC [+]
608526;1396905578;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [+]
608527;1396905639;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03010001 = 0.1505 BTC [-]
608528;1396905761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-]
608529;1396905884;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [+] {2} 
608530;1396905897;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller he drops by now and again, like quarterly.
608531;1396905914;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves not really on the audio. some voice work done.
608532;1396905992;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 pretty cool!
608533;1396906010;mircea_popescu;used to be like 1600 / 400ish, but then the 1k bet happened and some large 200+ iirc.
608534;1396906022;mircea_popescu;shows the importance of padding i guess.
608535;1396906087;mircea_popescu;;;eauth mircea_popescu
608536;1396906088;gribble;Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
608537;1396906113;mircea_popescu;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:38deabf30abd437d1ce2053fb0ce12af190d1911263496a2a4ce72cf
608538;1396906115;gribble;You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
608539;1396906116;mircea_popescu;;;rated Mats_cd03
608540;1396906117;gribble;You have not yet rated user Mats_cd03
608541;1396906129;kakobrekla;its a trap.
608542;1396906130;mircea_popescu;;;rate Mats_cd03 1 Bitcoin financial auditor.
608543;1396906130;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
608544;1396906136;mircea_popescu;derp.
608545;1396906138;mircea_popescu;get in the wot noob.
608546;1396906146;ThickAsThieves;i'd be interested in taking a swing at some music or spell effects or such if you have any small project for me to esperiment with
608547;1396906150;Mats_cd03;im waiting til i get a cardano
608548;1396906269;kakobrekla;uh you gonna do your wot on cardano?
608549;1396906311;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05349999 = 0.1605 BTC [+] {2} 
608550;1396906385;Mats_cd03;im generating the key with it
608551;1396906416;mircea_popescu;so i guess 1771 is the new 1337
608552;1396906433;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.08299776 = 0.83 BTC [-]
608553;1396906466;mircea_popescu;in other news, i gotta chill it with these extraditions, my poor liver can't cope.
608554;1396906553;mircea_popescu;lol vessenes is STILL "chairman of teh board" ?
608555;1396906560;twizt;mp is that u posting as sproket
608556;1396906561;twizt;lol
608557;1396906561;mircea_popescu;what's the guy take himself for, franksinatra ?
608558;1396906566;mircea_popescu;mnope.
608559;1396906572;twizt;sporket*
608560;1396906586;mircea_popescu;i srsly never posted on the forum.
608561;1396906604;mircea_popescu;i used to pay exactly one person to do it, she had a signed statement, that's the whole of it.
608562;1396906616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 37 @ 0.08299776 = 3.0709 BTC [-] {2} 
608563;1396906618;twizt;well u got someone pretending to be you atleast
608564;1396906620;kakobrekla;the only way i know of to backup that key Mats_cd03 is to plug the cable on the transporter in the middle of the energizing sequence so while the object is already completely scanned it is not yet disintegrated, the rest of the procedure is prolly clear.
608565;1396906663;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla key's stored in an eeprom. it's not THAT easy to lose.
608566;1396906674;Mats_cd03;;;later tell cads any progress?
608567;1396906674;kakobrekla;TRY ME
608568;1396906674;gribble;The operation succeeded.
608569;1396906692;mircea_popescu;well yeah, generally speaking, backup;s are better than no backups, no argument ther.e
608570;1396907043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7678 @ 0.00100168 = 7.6909 BTC [+] {2} 
608571;1396907119;everclear;twizt: no one's pretending to be MP, only being accused
608572;1396907165;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 44 @ 0.00243332 = 0.1071 BTC [-] {2} 
608573;1396907174;ThickAsThieves;today my post about the questionable "Narcotic Checkpoints" was censored into oblivion
608574;1396907178;mircea_popescu;afaik teh sa goons be trolling the shit out of that thread.
608575;1396907182;ThickAsThieves;about 220 comments before it died
608576;1396907191;ThickAsThieves;shortly later the police issues a pr:
608577;1396907193;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves lrn2use your own platforms.
608578;1396907199;ThickAsThieves;"A total of 29 arrests were made on various charges of possession of illegal drugs, driving while license suspended, and outstanding warrants. Drugs seized: Marijuana 23.8 grams, Crack cocaine: 8.1 grams, Cocaine: 2 grams, Prescription pills 46."
608579;1396907224;mircea_popescu;anyway, fuck them. if they had confiscated the empire fucking state building made out of crystal rock pixie dust,
608580;1396907226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 77 @ 0.00240015 = 0.1848 BTC [-] {3} 
608581;1396907229;mircea_popescu;it'd have not excused it.
608582;1396907252;ThickAsThieves;well all they got was people with their weekend stashes it seems
608583;1396907259;mircea_popescu;completely broken line of argumentation. you're telling your daughter to stop sucking cock on the curb, she's telling you she made this much money today.
608584;1396907264;mircea_popescu;if that were the fucking point...
608585;1396907270;ThickAsThieves;i agree
608586;1396907288;ThickAsThieves;i know someone at the paper who's kinda a firecracker, gonna see if she'll do an article
608587;1396907309;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves if you had a blog with a larger circulation than any newspaper buffett owns, you could have done that article.
608588;1396907324;mircea_popescu;and you could have had that blog, had you started working on it, diligently, half a decade ago.
608589;1396907350;mircea_popescu;da fuck happened to s.mpoe
608590;1396907398;ThickAsThieves;lol, ironically about 10 years ago I was speaking with the head of the local Chamber of Commerce and she asked me what I thought of blogs (as PR really). I told her I thought they were silly.
608591;1396907416;ThickAsThieves;i always remembe rthat conversation for some reason
608592;1396907461;mircea_popescu;so ten years ago you said something silly :D
608593;1396907483;mircea_popescu;remember bill clinton ?
608594;1396907491;mircea_popescu;his career ended because drudge's blog.
608595;1396907501;mircea_popescu;that was just about a decade ago.
608596;1396907579;ThickAsThieves;it came from being a hater of all things twittery
608597;1396907593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
608598;1396907594;ThickAsThieves;and eve3ry business wanting to pay me to do them for promo
608599;1396907600;ThickAsThieves;but yeah it was silly
608600;1396907613;ThickAsThieves;but her writing a blog would have been even more silly
608601;1396907653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05845389 = 0.3507 BTC [-] {2} 
608602;1396907836;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0584539 = 0.643 BTC [+]
608603;1396907884;mircea_popescu;well no dissputeing that.
608604;1396907901;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, what's the difference between dis bute and diss pute.
608605;1396907943;ThickAsThieves;one has b upside down?
608606;1396907952;ThickAsThieves;backwards*
608607;1396907959;ThickAsThieves;derp
608608;1396907962;ThickAsThieves;i didnt say anything
608609;1396907970;*;ThickAsThieves crabwalks away
608610;1396908012;mircea_popescu;lol
608611;1396908070;ThickAsThieves;http://gigaom.com/2014/04/07/new-bitcoin-debit-card-claims-to-work-with-90-percent-of-us-atms/
608612;1396908070;ozbot;New bitcoin debit card claims to work with 90 percent of US ATMs — Tech News and Analysis
608613;1396908082;ThickAsThieves;missed opportunity to call it scAMEX
608614;1396908142;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.085002 = 0.425 BTC [+] {2} 
608615;1396908202;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.085 = 0.34 BTC [-]
608616;1396908288;mircea_popescu;awwwh!
608617;1396908293;mircea_popescu;that's the meanest thing of the month
608618;1396908307;ThickAsThieves;it's only the 7th!
608619;1396908498;ThickAsThieves;phone call sceduled with reported, woop!
608620;1396908506;ThickAsThieves;reporter*
608621;1396908658;mircea_popescu;if there's anyone here sober :
608622;1396908663;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/free-sitcom-idea-with-butts/
608623;1396908664;ozbot;Free sitcom idea, with butts. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
608624;1396908671;mircea_popescu;pls read that let me know what you think.
608625;1396908690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5228 @ 0.00099915 = 5.2236 BTC [-]
608626;1396908721;mircea_popescu;;;later tell herbijudlestoids what idea is that ?
608627;1396908721;gribble;The operation succeeded.
608628;1396908815;mircea_popescu;vesse
608629;1396908887;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o wow, they're actually stepped up the discussion to include the word murder ?
608630;1396908888;mike_c;an article with butts in the title and no pictures of butts..
608631;1396908889;mircea_popescu;that's a bold step.
608632;1396908905;mircea_popescu;mike_c no because it's an idea see
608633;1396908936;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 what's "challenge and response" mean ?
608634;1396908972;mircea_popescu;jurov: you weren't there when S.DICE traded. there were massive buys *just after* dividends were paid <<< this is very true, and still one of those unresolved mysteries.
608635;1396908997;mircea_popescu;it almost looked like people went "oh, it paid another div, its value reduced by x but it's risk discount by n*x so BUY IT!"
608636;1396909034;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "heard of hearing" << is that supposed to be hard of hearing?
608637;1396909050;mircea_popescu;hahaha
608638;1396909057;mircea_popescu;well i'm leaving it, cutest teapo ever.
608639;1396909069;thestringpuller;lolol
608640;1396909164;mircea_popescu;bounce like half the people live their entire lives within 50 miles of their pob or some shit ?
608641;1396909288;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete: just like the medical system treats symptoms like cancer instead of the root causes, like shitty food << yey verily. compare cancer epidemiologic data in the soviet union in  1963 with same in the us in 2013. be amazed. be very amazed.
608642;1396909305;mircea_popescu;and they were using DTT and azbocement wtf you call it and so on.
608643;1396909416;mircea_popescu;"At the end of the year, a consistently inflating bitcoin would trigger no capital gains liability, only capital losses, reducing the tax liability of the filer."
608644;1396909425;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves who is this powerfully retarded ranger ?
608645;1396909480;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they're actually stepped up the discussion to include the word murder << it was time to switch cover stories, the old one was getting tired
608646;1396909484;mircea_popescu;because only on the tardstalk forum can one accidentally selfcrit himself on the jagged shards of irony for more 9000s of damage.
608647;1396909497;asciilifeform;and now there's a convenient 'desperado' who 'we know did it'
608648;1396909504;mircea_popescu;right right.
608649;1396909511;mircea_popescu;well... maybe it was the global warming.
608650;1396909516;mircea_popescu;no wait.
608651;1396909522;mircea_popescu;maybe it was the CLIMATE SCIENCE DENIERS
608652;1396909525;asciilifeform;i'll call it 'local warming.'
608653;1396909525;mircea_popescu;they dunnit.
608654;1396909538;mircea_popescu;lol
608655;1396909559;mircea_popescu;"a cilindrical section of his skull about quarter inch wide suddenly got very hot and all entropic"
608656;1396909580;mircea_popescu;it's all because of the "carbon"
608657;1396909642;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: dafuq fury. << srsly. tell him that if regulation is good he needs to find another market.
608658;1396909661;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's quite clear they're stepping up the game.
608659;1396909674;mircea_popescu;¡No pasarán!
608660;1396909752;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/453298405159477248
608661;1396909752;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Dear USG sleeper agents : ...
608662;1396909756;mircea_popescu;adding here for teh record too.
608663;1396909869;mircea_popescu;mike_c: sorry jurov, now they are running the secure version of wordpress :D  << try haxxing trilema, smartypants.
608664;1396909877;mircea_popescu;it's running wp like... uhm. 2.something.
608665;1396909889;mircea_popescu;whatever was the package before obama.
608666;1396909910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19794 @ 0.00099915 = 19.7772 BTC [-]
608667;1396909971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03009999 = 0.1505 BTC [-]
608668;1396910059;mike_c;well, trilema moved the login page.  that's better than bitcoin-assets :)
608669;1396910156;mircea_popescu;nubbins` wait, you actually imagine btc ragazine has more readers than trilema ?!
608670;1396910168;mircea_popescu;i mean being one degree of magnitude off is one thing, but you're probably three.
608671;1396910179;mircea_popescu;mike_c no it didn't.
608672;1396910215;nubbins`;come to think of it, i've never read bitcoin magazine...
608673;1396910243;mircea_popescu;sorry to break it to you this way, but no, it's not this cool obscure band :D
608674;1396910255;mike_c;this looks promising: https://trilema.com:2083/
608675;1396910298;mircea_popescu;errything looks promising at some point.
608676;1396910310;mircea_popescu;course afail :2083 ain't wordpress.
608677;1396910335;mike_c;true. plus my time limit for fun is up.
608678;1396910385;jborkl;Butterfly labs had a class action filed against them today
608679;1396910396;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/the-storm-that-was-fel/#comment-90300
608680;1396910397;ozbot;The Storm That Was Fel pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
608681;1396910408;mircea_popescu;from the cemetery of trilema, an example of one that has tried before.
608682;1396910465;mircea_popescu;jborkl was it the minesota guys ?
608683;1396910475;jborkl;http://www.woodlaw.com/sites/default/files/casedocs/2014-04-04%20Complaint.pdf
608684;1396910504;mircea_popescu;yeah,
608685;1396910527;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/447869151756161025
608686;1396910529;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/kPlNNBteuy #BFL ...
608687;1396910548;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2014#577267
608688;1396910551;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
608689;1396910586;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wouldn't hurt to implement 'port knocking'
608690;1396910616;kakobrekla;yeah mike_c funny story about that.
608691;1396910705;mike_c;leprechauns?
608692;1396910707;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't actually sysadmin that server, and w/e, whoever finds a cpanel hole can deface trilema for a day.
608693;1396910734;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller: interesting that bitbet is so transparent it can be independently audited << yeah, but wikipedia has an article about "dac"
608694;1396910737;mircea_popescu;so guess who wins.
608695;1396910761;asciilifeform;the purpose of impossibly-hard targets isn't necessarily to protect valuables, but can be simply to torment the enemy
608696;1396910865;mircea_popescu;well the purpose of rotting pig carcasses with vaginas painted on the skin isn't so very different.
608697;1396910940;mircea_popescu;Namworld: That's not how you quit. Guy will just get in trouble for it, playing in his wife's back like that. < i agree. add a steel pole to your pool, chain her to the base. she can eat once every 100 laps.
608698;1396910965;mircea_popescu;after one million laps not only is she cured of whatevet you disliked, but also has a superb posterior.
608699;1396911008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1310 @ 0.00012497 = 0.1637 BTC [+] {2} 
608700;1396911065;mircea_popescu;but anyway, the guy is obviously trying to have someone write him a scamsite. found a decent pretext, but it's about as convincing as what kids trying to get you to do their homework come up with.
608701;1396911249;bounce;verily, asbocement. ITYM DDT and asbestos?
608702;1396911281;bounce;!google ASBO
608703;1396911322;mircea_popescu;asbestos yea
608704;1396911459;mircea_popescu;so who's going to show up to whatever derpy conference the vessenes merry band of scammers is organising and ask him how much did karpeles pay him to promote his scam ?
608705;1396911481;mircea_popescu;and all sorts of other interesting questions, such as how much of the muppets' donations to "the foundation" went to his girlfriend.
608706;1396911526;bounce;$400 entrance fee, or whatever it was, just to ask scammers why they be scammin'?
608707;1396911554;jurov;gonna be http://cebexpo.net/ here in vienna soon.. not sure power rangers come
608708;1396911556;BingoBoingo;400 euros a ticket is more than most forum fraudsters take now, so... I think this goes in line with the whole don't feed scammers because it encourages them thing
608709;1396911590;jurov;oh shrem will
608710;1396911615;bounce;lovely mugshot collection
608711;1396911978;mircea_popescu;bounce if you do i'll pay your entrance. but no derpage, make it worth our while.
608712;1396912045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3558 @ 0.00099818 = 3.5515 BTC [-] {2} 
608713;1396912087;mircea_popescu;jurov shrem is like whatever, leper man walking.
608714;1396912117;mircea_popescu;"hi, i'm 24 and i made a deal with the usg to pretend like i'm still a human being, who knows, maybe the puppet master needs one sometime"
608715;1396912190;mircea_popescu;lol stallman gonna lose another gnu stuffie ?
608716;1396912208;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha josh zerlan ?! orly ?
608717;1396912223;mircea_popescu;jesus buterin looks derpy in that picture.
608718;1396912227;bounce;http://bitcoin2014.com/ is up top at the bitcoin foundation's website
608719;1396912248;mircea_popescu;so basically... a bunch of people nobody's heard of, btctalk's most reviled shill  and a coupla would-be journos ?
608720;1396912249;asciilifeform;;;google chestnut tree cafe
608721;1396912250;gribble;The Chestnut Tree Cafe: <http://bartlebysfour.blogspot.com/>; George Orwell: The Chestnut Tree Cafe - Charles' Orwell Links: <http://www.netcharles.com/orwell/ctc/>; SparkNotes: 1984: Book One: Chapters VII–VIII: <https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/1984/section4.rhtml>
608722;1396912268;jurov;and "one of the first bitcoin users in Germany."
608723;1396912308;mircea_popescu;keonne Dan Held is hawt, i'm told by my intel dept
608724;1396912347;jurov;should that concern me?
608725;1396912365;mircea_popescu;well maybe ?
608726;1396912368;mircea_popescu;"Meghan Kellison-Lords is a writer and activist from Pensacola, FL. She is the editor at Bitcoin Not Bombs, a writer at Young Voices and Bitcoin Magazine, office manager at Roberts and Roberts Brokerage, and volunteer at Sean’s Outpost Homeless Outreach. She is fascinated by"
608727;1396912370;mircea_popescu;poor girl.
608728;1396912395;mircea_popescu;this is like token black guy, except with geeks and women.
608729;1396912417;bounce;hmm. is the log a "legitimate medium" according to the "bitcoin 2014 definition of legitimate media"? needs letter from editor though. who edits the log?
608730;1396912453;jurov;yes, it bears duble cherry truck insignia
608731;1396912459;mircea_popescu;well no, you can't go as press and harrangue the speakers.
608732;1396912503;bounce;so it's get in free and don't critique or get in for $$$ and sing hosannas along with the prophets
608733;1396912522;thestringpuller;omg i'm sick of the bitcoin foundation
608734;1396912537;thestringpuller;just read the conference site...like
608735;1396912539;thestringpuller;really?
608736;1396912558;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller if one tries to exist by pretending to exist, one's stuck with lulzier and lulzier pretense.
608737;1396912591;mircea_popescu;bounce not exactly
608738;1396912686;mircea_popescu;in other news, i got a prescreen of mpoe-pr's dress for teh conference
608739;1396912690;mircea_popescu;shit's stunning.
608740;1396912735;jurov;she deserves better chain, too
608741;1396912755;mircea_popescu;one dares not discuss womenz chains.
608742;1396912763;bounce;she's going to be in vienna then?
608743;1396912778;mircea_popescu;when i say teh conference i mean teh conference, not random derpage
608744;1396912792;thestringpuller;THE CONFERENCE
608745;1396912800;thestringpuller;probably one of the few if not only one that matters
608746;1396912817;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu are any core developers going to it?
608747;1396912839;asciilifeform;'core developers' << ?
608748;1396912849;bounce;whoops. I retract what I asked.
608749;1396912852;mircea_popescu;i think cores kinda went out of fashion
608750;1396912852;thestringpuller;yes 'core developers'
608751;1396912856;thestringpuller;lol
608752;1396912881;mircea_popescu;liek what, 1975 ?
608753;1396912891;thestringpuller;we know all the real code is developed by the nameless
608754;1396912904;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i presume you still have some kl_core running somewhere ?
608755;1396912921;asciilifeform;ferrite?
608756;1396912949;asciilifeform;not atm - but would love to.
608757;1396912950;mircea_popescu;well yeah. ferrite core.
608758;1396912973;asciilifeform;how beautiful they were!
608759;1396912993;asciilifeform;http://ljkrakauer.com/LJK/essays/corestack1s.jpg
608760;1396913004;asciilifeform;http://blog.savel.org/stuff/20060111b.jpg
608761;1396913016;asciilifeform;http://www.digibarn.com/collections/parts/dg-corememory/FerriteCoreMemoryDGC-Nova.jpg
608762;1396913031;mircea_popescu;kinda the last time knitting and it looked similar.
608763;1396913033;jurov;thestringpuller: u goin?
608764;1396913048;bounce;read somewhere the bitcoin foundation opened up their forum for all the world to read. somebody take a copy. ought to be plenty research material there.
608765;1396913058;asciilifeform;if i recall, they were made by skilled weavers.
608766;1396913076;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yup
608767;1396913092;mircea_popescu;british textile industry is one of the antecessors of modern computers.
608768;1396913096;thestringpuller;jurov: I am incredibly tempted to book air fare, but as mod6 isn't going an I wanted to meet up with him there I decided to wait until next year for Series 3
608769;1396913100;mircea_popescu;like british typewriter manufacturers
608770;1396913114;mircea_popescu;(the royal mcbee for instance mostly made money selling typewriters)
608771;1396913128;thestringpuller;i'm still very tempted to book passage though...
608772;1396913133;jurov;thestringpuller mircea threatened to move to argentina
608773;1396913152;mircea_popescu;bounce may be worth it yea
608774;1396913265;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05840002 = 0.292 BTC [-]
608775;1396913330;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: is being a student a job?
608776;1396913344;thestringpuller;Someone just told me "i have a job. Student."
608777;1396913363;bounce;inasmuch as they're paying to have that job.
608778;1396913468;mircea_popescu;well let's put it this way : if that's what one thinks their job is,
608779;1396913473;mircea_popescu;then that's probably what their job should be.
608780;1396913515;BingoBoingo;https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/703-serious-allegations-is-this-michael-thymos-marquardt-part-of-the-foundation/
608781;1396913612;mod6;yeah, just didn't work out this year. if its in SA next year, im pretty sure i'll be there.
608782;1396913615;mircea_popescu;sooo... they made public their posts about how they don't discuss publicly ?
608783;1396913616;mircea_popescu;such win.
608784;1396913648;BingoBoingo;Yeah
608785;1396913674;BingoBoingo;Seems like the goat forum where the lulz sit just beneath the surface
608786;1396913750;BingoBoingo;EIther that or just noone posts on their forums
608787;1396913801;mircea_popescu;just derpage about how "Law and Policy Steering Committee Information Started by Lindsay Holland Law and Policy Committee Chair: Mike Hearn Contact email for Chair: mhearn@bitcoinfoundation.org"
608788;1396913855;mircea_popescu;i mean herp mcderp, what can i tell you, birocratia maxima, some derp goes to target, buys a red stapler and an "Important Person" bumper sticker and suddenly we have yet another... important person with a red stapler.
608789;1396913890;mircea_popescu;it was better back when wikipedia retardation was mostly content to quarantine itself on wikipedia. but by now it's spilling the fuck over.
608790;1396913941;BingoBoingo;https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/884-oh-no-gavins-leaving/
608791;1396914004;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it should be clear to all but the thickest, most disco-dan sort of people in their boat that the battle has been fought, and won, but not by them.
608792;1396914018;mircea_popescu;a minimally working  conservation instinct would send everyone involved packing.
608793;1396914068;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sure. I seems that more defections from there are likely in the coming months.
608794;1396914103;mircea_popescu;who knows, perhaps then there won't be need to hoist the entire troop from the highest catarg, just a few heads.
608795;1396914120;ThickAsThieves;<mircea_popescu> bounce if you do i'll pay your entrance. but no derpage, make it worth our while.  /// yet you wont pay for me to accost people at the Amsterdam one? :(
608796;1396914135;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves define accost ?
608797;1396914142;asciilifeform;these aren't 'defections,' any more than the proverbial rats who jump the sinking ship are 'mutineers.'
608798;1396914163;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well the proverbial rats would be defectors, yes. maps quite exactly.
608799;1396914171;mircea_popescu;the important point being that she's sunk.
608800;1396914173;ThickAsThieves;i'm willing to put anyone on the spot really
608801;1396914185;ThickAsThieves;as long as i agree with the line of questioning
608802;1396914187;cgcardona_;anyone gonna be at http://www.globalbtcsummit.com/en/ ?
608803;1396914191;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mutineers in the way they alert the loyal crew to the rat's low morale
608804;1396914198;asciilifeform;the animal that created the phoundation still lives
608805;1396914202;asciilifeform;it will re-group under another name
608806;1396914219;ThickAsThieves;reporter for Trilema Ragazine
608807;1396914227;bounce;whoohoo an org chart. too bad it's not downloadable straight: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/796-bitcoin-foundation-org-chart-version-10-beta-march-22-2014/
608808;1396914252;davout;ThickAsThieves: "ragazine" i like this word
608809;1396914253;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves so same goes to you then, ask vehehes a) how much did karpeles pay him to promote his scam ? and b) how much of the muppets' donations to "the foundation" went to his girlfriend.
608810;1396914280;ThickAsThieves;i dont think he'd answer thos equestions though
608811;1396914290;ThickAsThieves;he'll just huff n puff
608812;1396914322;ThickAsThieves;davout i didnt coin the word, i think i may have gotten it from someone else here
608813;1396914327;*;bounce would probably suck at actually questioning, so go ahead if you'd like
608814;1396914348;ThickAsThieves;is vehehe even going to Amsterdam
608815;1396914352;BingoBoingo;https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/824-active-individual-membership-involvement-has-dropped-to-15/
608816;1396914353;ThickAsThieves;wait thats a dumb question
608817;1396914356;ThickAsThieves;of course he will
608818;1396914369;mircea_popescu;https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Somehow+Bitcoin+Ragazine+and+Vitalik+and+Co,+seem+to+paint+this+as+if+he%22&complete=0
608819;1396914373;mircea_popescu;check out that shit.
608820;1396914377;mircea_popescu;beleeted.
608821;1396914399;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo prepping a summation piece ?
608822;1396914415;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Of course
608823;1396914427;mircea_popescu;davout i could have sworn i coined teh ragazine, but i can't find any reference
608824;1396914436;mircea_popescu;apparently i have an overactive imagination.
608825;1396914459;ThickAsThieves;i'm so censorable
608826;1396914500;cgcardona_;schwagazine
608827;1396914505;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it appears exactly twice in the log, on mar 21st, we're like two minutes apart.
608828;1396914515;davout;cgcardona_: irc needs a "like" button
608829;1396914518;mircea_popescu;o shit twitter
608830;1396914522;ThickAsThieves;it aint censored btw
608831;1396914523;cgcardona_;:)
608832;1396914525;ThickAsThieves;"See More"
608833;1396914604;ThickAsThieves;yeah my logs show mp saying it first
608834;1396914616;mircea_popescu;nah, it wasn't invented in march
608835;1396914626;mircea_popescu;it's older, i distinctly recall it being used last year.
608836;1396914733;jurov;#bitcoin-assets.log:[Monday 07 January 2013] [18:58:28] <mircea_popescu>    [03:06:29] cause the new bitcoin ragazine dood is there.
608837;1396914774;mircea_popescu;oic.
608838;1396914799;mircea_popescu;gotta learn how to grep right.
608839;1396914851;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.03009998 = 0.3311 BTC [-] {2} 
608840;1396914884;ThickAsThieves;actually peter isnt on the roster for Amsterdam
608841;1396914894;ThickAsThieves;thought they are claling it their annual meeting
608842;1396914923;mircea_popescu;aww
608843;1396915075;bounce;not as speaker or panelist anyway
608844;1396915076;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform of course it'll regroup and so forth, what do you want, schlügen den teufel aus der welt ?
608845;1396915107;asciilifeform;lol
608846;1396915147;ThickAsThieves;"In 2009, non-Hispanic blacks, while only 13.6% of the population, accounted for 39.4% of the total prison and jail population." dafuck is a non-Hispanic black?
608847;1396915157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00099703 = 11.9145 BTC [-]
608848;1396915196;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves people who aren't white and whose last name isn't rodriguez ?
608849;1396915339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60399797 BTC [+]
608850;1396915426;BingoBoingo;http://gawker.com/this-could-be-a-baby-geep-a-rare-sheep-goat-hybrid-1560279115
608851;1396915427;ozbot;This Could Be a Baby Geep, a Rare Sheep-Goat Hybrid
608852;1396915509;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo guy doesn't understand genetics.
608853;1396915532;mircea_popescu;black women happily married to black guys occasionally give birth to perfectly fair, blue eyed caucasian babies, doesn't automatically mean they've been porking the milkman.
608854;1396915566;BingoBoingo;Of course
608855;1396915566;cgcardona_;http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/48257846.jpg
608856;1396915609;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ lol
608857;1396915615;cgcardona_;:-]
608858;1396916079;BingoBoingo;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-05/former-abn-banker-schmittmann-wife-daughter-found-dead-at-home.html
608859;1396916079;ozbot;Ex-ABN Banker Schmittmann, Wife, Daughter Found Dead at Home - Bloomberg
608860;1396916306;BingoBoingo;Cognitive Mining: http://valleywag.gawker.com/give-a-child-30-million-for-a-startup-keep-waiting-fo-1555561654/+sarah-hedgecock
608861;1396916514;steven-__;http://www.vice.com/read/the-tanzanian-albino-hunt
608862;1396916515;ozbot;The Fight to Stop Tanzania's Witch Doctors Butchering Albino People | VICE United States
608863;1396916557;asciilifeform;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-07/silicon-valley-cooks-to-housekeepers-facing-home-eviction.html
608864;1396916557;ozbot;In Silicon Valley, a New Investment: Eviction - Bloomberg
608865;1396916576;asciilifeform;(re: politics of housing in usa, bezzle-dollars, etc.)
608866;1396916704;MGK;Anyone interested in a graded MS65 casacius 1BTC coin?
608867;1396916805;asciilifeform;'One in four renters now spend more than half of their income on housing, up from one in five a decade ago, according to a 2013 .... '
608868;1396916813;asciilifeform;(usa)
608869;1396917051;mircea_popescu;MGK maybe nubbins`
608870;1396917079;nubbins`;mmm?
608871;1396917135;MGK;nubbins you interested in a graded MS65 casacius 1BTC coin?
608872;1396917152;nubbins`;what year and holo?
608873;1396917157;MGK;I can make a thread on btc talk and post pictures if you like, asking only 1.5
608874;1396917166;MGK;I believe its on 13
608875;1396917201;MGK;I have to be honest,  Idont know much about them. I bought it off of NightOwl about 2 months ago
608876;1396917210;cgcardona_;pics?
608877;1396917226;MGK;1min I will take some now
608878;1396917230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.055 = 0.55 BTC [-] {2} 
608879;1396917293;MGK;yes its 2013
608880;1396917303;MGK;brass
608881;1396917319;cgcardona_;I recently did some research on casasius coins http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21kryh/potentially_25101_unspent_casascius_coins/ and http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21nmck/sorted_25101_casascius_coins_by_denomination/
608882;1396917328;cgcardona_;*casascius
608883;1396917328;nubbins`;not too interested in the 2013 brass -- now if you could find me a 2011 series-2 1btc brass, on the other hand...
608884;1396917355;cgcardona_;high level summary—there are potentially 25101 unspent out of 65,000 ish
608885;1396917356;MGK;eh well ill save the time taking pics then.
608886;1396917364;cgcardona_;and then I ran a script to sort them by denomination as well.
608887;1396917373;MGK;Only have this one left, just sent out my .5 to blazedout this morning
608888;1396917376;cgcardona_;6 1000+ unspent coins still out there.
608889;1396917405;cgcardona_;prob the gold bars I guess though I'm unsure if those were included in the masterlist
608890;1396917417;cgcardona_;here's the full list https://www.casascius.com/fulllist.txt
608891;1396917449;MGK;anyone a fan of pawn stars? I have an autographed old man 1oz silver coin lol
608892;1396917509;cgcardona_;is this what you're talking about but w/ 1 btc loaded on it?
608893;1396917510;cgcardona_;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348631
608894;1396917511;ozbot;Casascius 2013 0.5 BTC brass coin BTC 0.69 with shipping
608895;1396917535;MGK;already sold the .5
608896;1396917549;cgcardona_;but you have a 1btc?
608897;1396917557;cgcardona_;and you're asking 1.5 btc?
608898;1396917582;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ so few huh
608899;1396917634;cgcardona_;yea i imagine someone swimming around in Casasius coins like the scrooge mcduck of cryptos
608900;1396917657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00099706 = 10.868 BTC [+]
608901;1396917673;MGK;yes, heres a pic of the 2 coins, if you like I can take another with my name on paper next to them.http://imgur.com/NNyBwbk
608902;1396917688;cgcardona_;wow +1 to the old man coin
608903;1396917748;MGK;The crack on the top is from my recliner , it fell in the it and I didnt notice, I reclined it and chipped the top but the coin is still locked in the case, wasnt damaged.
608904;1396917775;MGK;I like the old man coin too, I just got back from LV about 3 weeks ago and I had to buy a couple.
608905;1396917804;steven-__;who is that on the old man coin?
608906;1396917808;cgcardona_;It's a tough one for me because I've not ordered a casasius from anyone other than the source (and then only aluminum ones for promo material alas) so i'm just not sure what I'd do if it wasn't legit (and I promise I'm not calling you a scammer. Just thinking out loud)
608907;1396917822;MGK;Thats the old man himself!!
608908;1396917828;cgcardona_;the one and only old man!
608909;1396917837;cgcardona_;(from pawn stars the show on the history channel)
608910;1396917848;steven-__;oh I don
608911;1396917875;cgcardona_;how do transactions like this work? do people just go off of bitcointalk trust scores?
608912;1396917887;cgcardona_;i've ordered cold wallet kits in the past and went off of that
608913;1396917898;cgcardona_;*cold storage
608914;1396917925;MGK;No problem cgcard. I understand your concern and unfortunately theres not much I can do about that besides tell you I got the coin from NightOwl which is a reputable re-seller and was already graded. Ive never been able to actually touch this coin.
608915;1396917969;cgcardona_;sure—Caveat emptor and all.
608916;1396917974;cgcardona_;let me think about it. I'm def interested
608917;1396917983;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ in general, wot scores.
608918;1396917985;mike_c;;;ident MGK
608919;1396917985;gribble;Nick 'MGK', with hostmask 'MGK!42421ed3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.66.30.211', is not identified.
608920;1396917986;cgcardona_;i want to add some casascius to my cold storage
608921;1396917987;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust nubbins`
608922;1396917987;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user nubbins`: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013
608923;1396918000;MGK;Yes we would just go off of trust, I just sold a .5 on the forums he sent first and I shipped out this morning insured and tracking etc. Here is the link,https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557874.msg6112123#msg6112123
608924;1396918012;cgcardona_;mircea_popescu: oh cool
608925;1396918020;mircea_popescu;yeah, get in the wot both of ye.
608926;1396918022;MGK;I can respond to a PM on the forums to prove that is my account also
608927;1396918040;MGK;I have a few deals on there, 1 for over $10k with Goat
608928;1396918112;mircea_popescu;gpg works a lot better than forum pms.
608929;1396918119;cgcardona_;for realz
608930;1396918135;MGK;Ive heard of that but tbh its confusing, if youd like to walk me thru it I am willing to set it up
608931;1396918136;cgcardona_;yea let me watch that thread and once he confirms that he got it I'll think about it. thanks
608932;1396918151;MGK;No problem, he will have it Wednesday.
608933;1396918157;cgcardona_;cool
608934;1396918158;mircea_popescu;;;google thedrinkingrecord gpg
608935;1396918159;gribble;PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/>
608936;1396918164;mircea_popescu;firstthng there
608937;1396918258;MGK;Anyone interested in a cointerra 2TH/s also I am offering the best price on the forums. If you are in between NY and Denver I can deliver it face to face.
608938;1396918278;MGK;Alright I promise thats it lol
608939;1396918285;cgcardona_;that sounds nice. what are you asking for that?
608940;1396918298;cgcardona_;is it not legit to discuss deals here? sorry . don't want to spam the channel. still new here
608941;1396918309;BingoBoingo;http://www.vice.com/read/syria-deraa-USA-Jordan-FSA-regime-CIA
608942;1396918310;ozbot;I Learned to Fight Like an American at the FSA Training Camp in Jordan: America's Role in the Syrian
608943;1396918358;MGK;Im not sure, Ive been in this chat maybe 3 times. We can take it to private messages if you like.
608944;1396918374;mircea_popescu;MGK maybe give a look at the gribble maintained orderbook ?
608945;1396918420;MGK;I don't understand.
608946;1396918437;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php
608947;1396918474;thestringpuller;;;bids
608948;1396918474;gribble;(bids [--under] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <pricetarget>) -- Calculate the amount of bitcoin demanded at or over <pricetarget>. If '--under' option is given, find coins or at or under <pricetarget>. If market is supplied, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD.
608949;1396918479;thestringpuller;;;sell
608950;1396918479;gribble;(sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, (1 more message)
608951;1396918511;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
608952;1396918567;MGK;Ok I will over look that, thanks.
608953;1396919361;cgcardona_;yea I'm still waiting on my freaking piper wallet to arrive. It's been a month since I paid for it and they haven't even sent me a confirmation email. And I've contacted them twice since. :-|
608954;1396919366;cgcardona_;buyer beware indeed.
608955;1396919396;asciilifeform;lol at folks taking pre-orders for widgets that aren't baked yet
608956;1396919405;cgcardona_;yea I guess so.
608957;1396919431;cgcardona_;all the threads that I read say it's a legit product and that the person who got one was stoked.
608958;1396919435;cgcardona_;but my experience has been hella poor
608959;1396919452;cgcardona_;i ordered 500 aluminum casascius and they arrived in like 4 days and I got an email
608960;1396919469;cgcardona_;i ordered this https://bitcoinpaperwallet.com/
608961;1396919479;cgcardona_;and it arrived in like 3 days and I got a personal email from Canton.
608962;1396919483;asciilifeform;i still don't get, why collect money unless you're ready to hand a widget over
608963;1396919492;cgcardona_;nothing.at.all from the piper team
608964;1396919502;cgcardona_;well to take money from people like me I suppose
608965;1396919503;cgcardona_;hrm
608966;1396919517;asciilifeform;cgcardona_: isn't 'piper' just a 'raspberry' with bitcoind loaded?
608967;1396919521;asciilifeform;you could make it yourself
608968;1396919530;cgcardona_;yes you're right I can make it myself.
608969;1396919536;cgcardona_;i'm considering it of course.
608970;1396919548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00099703 = 9.2724 BTC [-]
608971;1396919554;asciilifeform;(i wouldn't. 'raspberry' is a terrible board)
608972;1396919555;cgcardona_;also I'm considering just taking their open source hardware and paying a team of people to churn them out and deliver them on time
608973;1396919564;cgcardona_;i'm sure there's a huge market for something that cool
608974;1396919564;jborkl;why would you pay for that?
608975;1396919583;cgcardona_;I think it's pretty cool.
608976;1396919588;cgcardona_;we'll see if/when it arrives
608977;1396919590;jborkl;a pi would not even run bitcoind worth a shit
608978;1396919604;asciilifeform;anyone who wants to can try this now
608979;1396919610;asciilifeform;(result is quite sad)
608980;1396919628;jborkl;it would be easier and cheaper to get a free instance on AWS and run bitcoind on it
608981;1396919639;jborkl;it you were so inclined
608982;1396919640;asciilifeform;for wallet?!
608983;1396919645;cgcardona_;not if you're trying to create cold storage from an air locked box
608984;1396919646;jborkl;no
608985;1396919646;asciilifeform;lol!
608986;1396919659;cgcardona_;heh
608987;1396919663;jborkl;but I would not put my wallet on a pi either?
608988;1396919670;cgcardona_;the wallets not on the pi
608989;1396919674;cgcardona_;it's spits out paper wallets
608990;1396919675;jborkl;so I did not think that applied
608991;1396919676;kakobrekla;you dont need a bitcoind on a pi
608992;1396919683;cgcardona_;did you see the video? http://piperwallet.com/
608993;1396919688;cgcardona_;it's only like 60 seconds
608994;1396919700;cgcardona_;i think it's a sweet concept
608995;1396919720;asciilifeform;anyone here own a 'FLIR' scope?
608996;1396919720;cgcardona_;easier than https://bitcoinpaperwallet.com/ which involves me having a dedicaded computer and printer
608997;1396919725;asciilifeform;and a 'piper'
608998;1396919727;cgcardona_;this just encapsulates it into one device
608999;1396919735;asciilifeform;do you see where i'm going with this?
609000;1396919744;asciilifeform;thermal printer.
609001;1396919759;asciilifeform;;;google optical tempest
609002;1396919759;gribble;Information Leakage from Optical Emanations - applied-math.org: <http://www.applied-math.org/optical_tempest.pdf>; CRT Eavesdropping: Optical Tempest - Slashdot: <http://it.slashdot.org/story/02/03/09/199242/crt-eavesdropping-optical-tempest>; Optical Time-Domain Eavesdropping Risks of CRT Displays: <http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ieee02-optical.pdf>
609003;1396919780;cgcardona_;are you talking about candling?
609004;1396919784;asciilifeform;except now anyone can read your 'cold wallet' (as it is printed, naturally) from across the street.
609005;1396919785;cgcardona_;checking the links now
609006;1396919799;cgcardona_;interesting
609007;1396919812;asciilifeform;likewise the 'built in rng' is... raspberry's
609008;1396919817;jborkl;thermal paper tends to degrade over time
609009;1396919818;asciilifeform;or rather, broadcom's on-chip turd
609010;1396919825;cgcardona_;now i know why it's taking so damn long. THEY'RE SETTING UP A THERMAL CAMERA ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE
609011;1396919832;cgcardona_;*sorry for the caps*
609012;1396919839;*;cgcardona_ snaps off caps lock key
609013;1396919841;mike_c;asciilifeform: what do you use to generate your wallet?
609014;1396919846;asciilifeform;thermal tape makes great one-time pads
609015;1396919856;asciilifeform;burn it with a butane lighter when finished.
609016;1396919874;mike_c;or, what do you recommend?
609017;1396919895;asciilifeform;mike_c: i've an analogue rng, feeding /dev/random myself.
609018;1396919901;mike_c;ah
609019;1396919927;cgcardona_;i turn on loud music and shake my booty to generate extra entropy myself
609020;1396919930;asciilifeform;this is not a heroic feat
609021;1396919978;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/popul_top.jpg
609022;1396919996;asciilifeform;(yes mp some. not sure what he did with them)
609023;1396920025;cgcardona_;oh I see that's by my Bizarro world clone cgCARDANO - very nice
609024;1396920027;asciilifeform;for how it was plugged,
609025;1396920029;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics/
609026;1396920029;ozbot;Unsorted collection of various Cardano related updates + spurious pics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce
609027;1396920055;jborkl;why not pull a brainwallet, put it on a pi and make your wallet out of a bible verse. They are everywhere and you only have to remember what you part you put in
609028;1396920076;asciilifeform;jborkl: do this, and let's see how long the contents last
609029;1396920081;cgcardona_;ha
609030;1396920096;mike_c;oh, of course. you have access to cardano guts :)
609031;1396920097;jborkl;ok, I will
609032;1396920099;cgcardona_;i figured just putting all of my btc behind a 'hello w0rld' brain wallet would be good to go
609033;1396920101;asciilifeform;how long does it take to move a sliding window across 'gutenberg' archive and bruteforce.
609034;1396920136;jborkl;I will post up the adress tomorrow
609035;1396920138;asciilifeform;mike_c: you (and anyone) also have access to analogue rng. open a textbook and pick your favourite...
609036;1396920153;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ the more formal objection would be that you're trying to construct a bridge through the process of "here are some bricks i found, i wonder which cool way i could stack them together"
609037;1396920187;mircea_popescu;whilke this approach often creates half-decent "art" (known in this space as lulz) it neve actually makes a bridge.
609038;1396920202;jborkl;and you assuming you know what I made the address out of, and you would not irl
609039;1396920231;jborkl;unless I beat it out of you, but that is a whole other story
609040;1396920241;cgcardona_;mircea_popescu: are you referring to my cold storage comments? (just trying to make the connection with what you're saying)
609041;1396920267;asciilifeform;beat it out << this is why any apparatus that doesn't include a scram zapper is sad.
609042;1396920329;mike_c;open a textbook and pick your favourite... << or wait a month and disassemble a cardano.
609043;1396920353;asciilifeform;mike_c: no need to disassemble. it comes in a clear chassis, with blueprints/sources
609044;1396920356;jborkl;what is a scram zapper?
609045;1396920367;mike_c;even better.
609046;1396920379;asciilifeform;jborkl: a special little gift for folks who want to take your keys by force.
609047;1396920399;mike_c;it is a countermeasure for rectothermal cryptoanalysis.
609048;1396920430;asciilifeform;partial countermeasure. like a rifle, it only works if fired.
609049;1396920466;asciilifeform;i can envision folks telling tales of adventure: '... and then i took my C off its safety...'
609050;1396920776;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ nah, to your raspberi pi wallet
609051;1396920793;cgcardona_;yea that's what I thought you meant. Just wanted to clarify
609052;1396920903;mircea_popescu;well, "your". just this idle example you made up obivously.
609053;1396921076;danielpbarron;i have a piper
609054;1396921086;danielpbarron;but i got mine last year
609055;1396921111;danielpbarron;i have since ordered some more rolls of paper and I also have not recieved a confirmation email or shipment
609056;1396921138;cgcardona_;ok well I guess that's 'good' to hear that someone else hasn't received any confirmation recently.
609057;1396921150;cgcardona_;at least I know i'm not the only one left hanging.
609058;1396921177;danielpbarron;i heard the piper guy was at one of the conferences recently
609059;1396921186;danielpbarron;maybe he's too busy to fill orders
609060;1396921221;cgcardona_;supply != demand. I smell an opportunity.
609061;1396921255;danielpbarron;i use it to print 1 mBit slips to hand out
609062;1396921283;danielpbarron;i had to hack it a little to make it stop printing the ugly extra private key and url at the bottom
609063;1396921332;danielpbarron;but i'm almost out of paper :<
609064;1396921353;danielpbarron;it's more annoying to not have the paper than to be ripped off for a little coin
609065;1396921396;cgcardona_;i'm just erked cause I've been wanting to get my coins off of web wallets. I trust no one at this point pretty much.
609066;1396921411;danielpbarron;you shouldn't use piper to store large amounts
609067;1396921419;cgcardona_;blockchain.info is pretty good of course. Coinbase has been all kinds of screwy lately.
609068;1396921428;danielpbarron;yeah don't keep it on coinbase
609069;1396921461;danielpbarron;i have had sketchy stuff happen with coinbase recently too
609070;1396921464;cgcardona_;yea I've been having transactions just get stuck in 'pending' for hours cause of their off blockchain stuff.
609071;1396921470;danielpbarron;yeah
609072;1396921474;cgcardona_;the first time it happened I moved all my coins to blockchain.
609073;1396921481;cgcardona_;i was like 'sketch balls!'
609074;1396921486;danielpbarron;i accidently double sent a transaction, luckily to someone I knew irl
609075;1396921493;cgcardona_;wow. no way.
609076;1396921505;danielpbarron;it said it didn't go through the first time
609077;1396921510;danielpbarron;gave me an error
609078;1396921524;cgcardona_;ah I see
609079;1396921525;cgcardona_;gotcha
609080;1396921551;danielpbarron;wasn't showing up on the blockchain
609081;1396921578;danielpbarron;i sent a test transaction of 1 mBit and it showed up no problem, so i sent the original transaction again
609082;1396921595;danielpbarron;shared wallets are sketchy
609083;1396921619;cgcardona_;yep *cue the 'if you don't have the keys you don't have the btc* mantra
609084;1396921723;danielpbarron;is anybody familiar with ssss-split and ssss-combine ?
609085;1396922049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00100328 = 25.3328 BTC [+] {2} 
609086;1396922114;nubbins`;;;view
609087;1396922115;gribble;#20222 Thu Mar 27 14:19:15 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 2013 1btc silver Casascius 1Ag1 @ 2.3 btc (None)
609088;1396922210;mike_c;half the btc and double the numismaticness. sounds like a deal!
609089;1396922401;ThickAsThieves;mp your pilot idea seems like it had some threads missing
609090;1396922420;ThickAsThieves;i do like the mood of it, though the more "adult" aspects feel a little out of place
609091;1396922458;ThickAsThieves;it otherwise feels like it could be filmed in the style of Pushing Daises or Better Off Ted
609092;1396922516;ThickAsThieves;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0925266/
609093;1396922598;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 320 @ 0.00083066 = 0.2658 BTC [-] {6} 
609094;1396922633;ThickAsThieves;your blog thinks i am not a human being
609095;1396922650;ThickAsThieves;i think it's just tricking me to spend more credits reloading!
609096;1396922722;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 231 @ 0.01005333 = 2.3223 BTC [-] {11} 
609097;1396922782;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
609098;1396922842;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1155 @ 0.00082544 = 0.9534 BTC [-] {8} 
609099;1396922904;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2360 @ 0.00080716 = 1.9049 BTC [-] {7} 
609100;1396923308;B007;credits 18UjWu214iygVkA1umQLZaJ8DRtrpS4mFS anyone who sends me 1 btc gets 1000 btc back
609101;1396923408;danielpbarron;;;ratingsystem getrating B007
609102;1396923408;gribble;This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated.
609103;1396923513;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2120 @ 0.08299776 = 175.9553 BTC [-]
609104;1396923705;decimation;ascii - that sv story is full of lulz
609105;1396923778;asciilifeform;which
609106;1396923834;decimation;the woes of the rent controlled apartments in palo alto
609107;1396923846;asciilifeform;ah yes
609108;1396923874;decimation;This "U visa" amuses me.  Someone foriegner commits a crime - and that suddenly qualifies the victem for a US green card??
609109;1396923889;decimation;the mind reels
609110;1396923933;decimation;s/victem/victim/
609111;1396923964;decimation;Not to mention, there are thousands of other localities where $12 an hour easily pays for housing
609112;1396923985;decimation;why does she have to living in the middle of SV?  So that Elon can get a burrito for $6?
609113;1396924005;asciilifeform;decimation: these people want servants, but won't pay for the servants' quarters
609114;1396924014;asciilifeform;so they externalise the cost
609115;1396924063;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 129 @ 0.0075 = 0.9675 BTC [+]
609116;1396924123;decimation;just like Mr. Zuckerberg's campaign to import foreign engineer-slaves - who will beg to pay $100k to pay $100k
609117;1396924124;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 78 @ 0.01 = 0.78 BTC [-] {4} 
609118;1396924144;decimation;They beg to get $100k to pay $100k, in the best case
609119;1396924185;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.085 = 0.595 BTC [-]
609120;1396924241;decimation;perhaps the system will be formalized in the future, when rich socialites will pay to have a position in Google, like the British Army
609121;1396924265;asciilifeform;mp spoke of this not long ago
609122;1396924604;decimation;wrt housing: USG pumps 30 year loans; forces banks to give them to everyone; USG is then horrified to find that house-prices have been bid into the sky with 30 year money
609123;1396924673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1095 @ 0.00100212 = 1.0973 BTC [-]
609124;1396924727;Mats_cd03;sounds like a great way to accelerate inequality and increase renting
609125;1396924870;decimation;the real problem is that it makes it impossible to differentiate talented managers of resources from fools who happen to be friends with the bezzle-kings
609126;1396924968;MisterE;"White House spokesman Jay Carney echoed that sentiment as well, saying, “There is strong evidence suggesting some of these [Eastern Ukrainian] demonstrators were paid.�"
609127;1396925137;decimation;is the fact that "demonstrators" were paid actually discredit something?
609128;1396925143;Mats_cd03;;;later tell mirceau_popescu 'challenge and response' meaning encryption, but more specifically encrypted spread-spectrum signals. many consumer drones are equipped with just wifi or bluetooth, which are comparatively easy to attack
609129;1396925143;gribble;The operation succeeded.
609130;1396925414;decimation;both wifi and bluetooh are terrbile for low-latency flight control
609131;1396925416;Mats_cd03;i don't get it, because RC manufacturers have been doing just fine, and wifi/bt is just idiotic unless you live in the sticks and/or want more bandwidth from the unit
609132;1396925429;Mats_cd03;for... aerial photography, i guess
609133;1396925512;decimation;RC transmitters use analog FM, no encryption
609134;1396925809;decimation;nevermind, apparently in the last few years they have started to use 2.4 GHz DSSS and FHSS
609135;1396926007;decimation;you will never see rc transmitters with custom crypto because of the Wassenaar Arrangement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wassenaar_Arrangement
609136;1396926119;tg2;most don't use encryption, but some do.
609137;1396926472;asciilifeform;"Microprocessor microcircuits", "microcomputer microcircuits" and
609138;1396926472;asciilifeform;microcontroller microcircuits, manufactured from a compound
609139;1396926472;asciilifeform;semiconductor and operating at a clock frequency exceeding 40 MHz;
609140;1396926477;asciilifeform;(from wassenaar agreement)
609141;1396926489;asciilifeform;let's campaign to have this enforced!
609142;1396926546;asciilifeform;Electro-optical and "optical integrated circuits", designed for "signal
609143;1396926547;asciilifeform;processing" and having all of the following:
609144;1396926547;asciilifeform;a. One or more than one internal "laser" diode;
609145;1396926547;asciilifeform;b. One or more than one internal light detecting element; and
609146;1396926547;asciilifeform;c. Optical waveguides;
609147;1396926556;asciilifeform;---- > your cdrom is banned.
609148;1396926604;asciilifeform;in fact, taking a laptop on an airplane probably qualifies you for an iternational tribunal as war criminal
609149;1396926616;asciilifeform;breaking at least 500 of these regulations
609150;1396926654;artifexd;asciilifeform Can you recommend a reasonably priced hardware rng or an acceptable software rng?
609151;1396926666;asciilifeform;artifexd: for what purpose?
609152;1396926699;artifexd;dice rolls. key generation.
609153;1396926718;asciilifeform;keys to something reasonably valuable?
609154;1396926746;artifexd;Not right now, but the hope is eventually, yeah.
609155;1396926773;kakobrekla;rng from cardano clearly.
609156;1396926778;asciilifeform;i'd be tempted to recommend... mine. but right now i've only a handful of them, and they aren't for sale yet.
609157;1396926798;asciilifeform;if you live and die by the key, it is worth your time to build your own
609158;1396926800;asciilifeform;and qualify it
609159;1396926803;decimation;ascii, of course the bureaucrats love the default to be that everyone is a criminal; you are exempt at their discretion
609160;1396926835;artifexd;reverse biased diode? geiger counter? Something like that?
609161;1396926840;asciilifeform;when building rng, consider what is to happen when it fails.
609162;1396926849;asciilifeform;(does it die silently? what happens to output?)
609163;1396926868;artifexd;My understanding is that they slowly start generating less random numbers.
609164;1396926889;asciilifeform;artifexd: rng must be periodically tested
609165;1396926899;asciilifeform;like any safety-critical system
609166;1396926906;decimation;nothing can replace analysis by a human brain
609167;1396926914;artifexd;Is there a standard test?
609168;1396926918;asciilifeform;there are many
609169;1396926933;asciilifeform;;;google diehard rng tests
609170;1396926934;gribble;Diehard tests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diehard_tests>; The Marsaglia Random Number CDROM including the Diehard ...: <http://stat.fsu.edu/pub/diehard/>; Robert G. Brown's General Tools Page - Duke Physics: <http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/dieharder.php>
609171;1396926940;decimation;http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/ST/toolkit/rng/index.html
609172;1396926942;ozbot;NIST.gov - Computer Security Division - Computer Security Resource Center
609173;1396926967;asciilifeform;don't be the schmuck who builds rng which throws away batches of bits that fail some test
609174;1396926974;asciilifeform;(as usg wants you to, see 'fips')
609175;1396926990;asciilifeform;no prizes for describing what this does to the output, statistically speaking
609176;1396927024;decimation;one cannot say that it makes the output less predictably, anway
609177;1396927057;artifexd;What kind of rng will the cardano use?
609178;1396927072;asciilifeform;the one other useful fact is that entropy of (bad rng) xor (better rng) is equal to that of (better rng)
609179;1396927081;asciilifeform;though, interestingly, this has not been proven rigoriously.
609180;1396927085;asciilifeform;*rigorously
609181;1396927121;asciilifeform;artifexd: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rng/hob.png
609182;1396927123;asciilifeform;that one.
609183;1396927126;asciilifeform;based on johnson noise
609184;1396927145;asciilifeform;the ones in the pic haven't their shields yet.
609185;1396927270;decimation;ascii surely you aren't going to do all the soldering yourself? are you going to use a production house?
609186;1396927282;asciilifeform;decimation: for the production run - certainly
609187;1396927303;asciilifeform;did you actually think i would personally bake every unit ?
609188;1396927345;decimation;you do have a paranoid streak
609189;1396927367;asciilifeform;consider the purpose of the product.
609190;1396927367;Mats_cd03;the gold is nice
609191;1396927400;decimation;I suppose there is very little that an enemy could do to diddle with it
609192;1396927429;Mats_cd03;do you think theyll be available for purchase in three months
609193;1396927435;asciilifeform;decimation: (as i will detail at a later time) i am expecting the supply chain to be fucked with
609194;1396927462;decimation;thus, the encouragement for personal inspection & analysis, I presume?
609195;1396927484;asciilifeform;that. and we intend to switch part vendors liberally.
609196;1396927542;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: how long it will take to go from blueprints to production line is not yet known to me
609197;1396927556;asciilifeform;three months sounds like a reasonably safe, pessimistic figure
609198;1396927564;decimation;what made you choose "hu bei gold phoenix" for the pcb house? cheap?
609199;1396927583;asciilifeform;i used a different house before
609200;1396927584;asciilifeform;american
609201;1396927587;asciilifeform;it was 35x the cost.
609202;1396927596;asciilifeform;for roughly the same quality.
609203;1396927605;decimation;wow
609204;1396927627;decimation;surely labor doesn't account for that difference
609205;1396927635;asciilifeform;it's 'the bezzle' again
609206;1396927645;asciilifeform;at this point nobody has pcbs made in usa except for military contractors
609207;1396927656;decimation;chinese bezzle is spent on its production industry
609208;1396927660;asciilifeform;(even they try to go chinese, when they can get away with it)
609209;1396927681;asciilifeform;don't believe? visit the web site of any u.s. pcb maker. they're all decorated with pictures of rockets, tanks, etc
609210;1396927701;decimation;I guess this is why it only costs $1 to ship anything from hong kong
609211;1396927734;asciilifeform;phoenix ships 'for free' (well, rolled into the price at any rate)
609212;1396927747;asciilifeform;everything seems to go on the very next flight, straight to where it is supposed to go.
609213;1396927786;asciilifeform;now, i hesitate to recommend them 'for everyone' - all i've had done there, is very simple boards.
609214;1396927786;MisterE;hope the delivered quality is acceptable
609215;1396927801;asciilifeform;nothing in this particular product is the least bit exotic.
609216;1396927815;decimation;so just like the us is willing to pay "abused" mexicans to live in palo alto, china is willing to pay to host your factory
609217;1396927819;MisterE;what are you making asciilifeform ?
609218;1396927842;asciilifeform;MisterE: http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano
609219;1396927858;asciilifeform;MisterE: little widget, co-authored with mircea_popescu
609220;1396927861;MisterE;out of credits :/
609221;1396927866;MisterE;cool
609222;1396927874;decimation;what was your smallest trace pitch? 8 mil?
609223;1396927886;asciilifeform;yes
609224;1396927896;asciilifeform;as is traditional
609225;1396927916;MisterE;it's the super small micro traces that can be problemetic eh?
609226;1396927923;asciilifeform;not only
609227;1396927930;asciilifeform;there's the occasional 'via' that isn't
609228;1396927931;decimation;most board houses specify minimums
609229;1396927931;MisterE;some ICs requiretraces so close it looks insane
609230;1396927939;MisterE;ok
609231;1396927942;asciilifeform;the real bitch is assembly
609232;1396927952;MisterE;ahh yea
609233;1396927953;asciilifeform;one can trivially make boards by hand
609234;1396927957;MisterE;yep
609235;1396927964;asciilifeform;(i used to. 8 mil and smaller, easy. same process as b&w photography)
609236;1396927967;MisterE;component insertion is a bitch
609237;1396928028;asciilifeform;i'd have baked the rng pcbs personally, but on account of them being analogue devices, you can't really characterize them unless you use the same board materials as the final product.
609238;1396928036;decimation;well, surface mount is a bitch without solder mask
609239;1396928042;asciilifeform;that too
609240;1396928155;decimation;well, yeah and the drilling of the holes and inserting of vias would be very difficult by hand on your own board
609241;1396928176;asciilifeform;i've done it before, when younger and poorer
609242;1396928181;asciilifeform;but it isn't a good use of time
609243;1396928182;MisterE;same
609244;1396928185;MisterE;it's a bitch
609245;1396928196;decimation;impossible if it's more than 2 layers
609246;1396928231;decimation;unless you ghetto-stack the boards :)
609247;1396928296;decimation;did you use orcad or some free cad to design the board?  are you a fan of eagle?
609248;1396928821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
609249;1396930163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00099701 = 20.339 BTC [-] {3} 
609250;1396930457;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/04/business-as-usual.html
609251;1396930457;ozbot;ClubOrlov: Business as usual
609252;1396930664;asciilifeform;'With small businesses and private enterprise made illegal, most people will be forced to resort to illegal activities, under the watchful eye of the NSA. But since putting even more people in jail will be prohibitively expensive, a new, streamlined process of dispensing justice will be put into place: the NSA and the Justice Department will link computer systems, and verdicts of fraud and suspended sentences
609253;1396930664;asciilifeform;will be issued by a computer program, in absentia. In keeping with current practice, both the charge and the evidence will be kept secret. The newly minted felons will be dropped from voter rolls, their passports cancelled, their bank accounts confiscated, and their employment (if any) terminated. They will receive form letters informing them of their sentence but most of them will be unable to read it because
609254;1396930664;asciilifeform;functional illiteracy rates will go from the current 40% to 80-90%.'
609255;1396930669;asciilifeform;pure gold.
609256;1396931744;decimation;ascii - secret electronic evidence is a perfect fit for the US confession-based legal system
609257;1396931779;asciilifeform;decimation: 'n strikes' warez users rule, precedent.
609258;1396932847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34350 @ 0.00100076 = 34.3761 BTC [+] {2} 
609259;1396932908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00100324 = 4.3139 BTC [+]
609260;1396936165;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560733.0;topicseen
609261;1396936167;ozbot;I am going to build a true random number generator ...
609262;1396936183;kakobrekla;artifexd , asciilifeform
609263;1396936338;kakobrekla;a well i might have jumped the gun, nothing particularly interesting except for the fact of recognizing the problem.
609264;1396936486;artifexd;I've learned that the raspberry pi has a hardware rng. My current plan is to build use that. I'll Von Neumann it if necessary. Regardless, as soon as I get one, I'll use the tools asciilifeform recommended to measure the entropy.
609265;1396936511;asciilifeform;artifexd: see if you can learn why the raspi rng is unsuitable for cryptography.
609266;1396936523;asciilifeform;(hint: same reason as intel's)
609267;1396936536;artifexd;Backdoored?
609268;1396936571;kakobrekla;i wonder what the numbers will show.
609269;1396936584;asciilifeform;the numbers will show... beautiful entropy
609270;1396936596;asciilifeform;just as the digits of pi, if run through 'diehard', would.
609271;1396936615;asciilifeform;no statistical test will reveal a malicious rng
609272;1396936622;asciilifeform;unless the malefactor is dumb as a brick
609273;1396936657;kakobrekla;how do you eval such result correctly then
609274;1396936669;asciilifeform;exercise: encipher a consecutive stream of nulls, with aes, using whatever you want as init vector
609275;1396936674;asciilifeform;run the result through 'diehard'
609276;1396936686;asciilifeform;you'll get 'better' stats than any genuine rng.
609277;1396936722;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: the statistical tests are for determining sources of 'natural' bias, not enemy action.
609278;1396936736;asciilifeform;e.g. a bit in a register that's stuck on
609279;1396936761;asciilifeform;or, when testing prng, any periodicity in the output
609280;1396936776;asciilifeform;this and related topics have been beaten to death elsewhere.
609281;1396936776;kakobrekla;and the diehard is exempt from this?
609282;1396936793;asciilifeform;'diehard' is just a collection of statistical tests
609283;1396936802;asciilifeform;there is no mathematical test for 'evil'
609284;1396936807;asciilifeform;i cannot emphasize this enough
609285;1396936832;kakobrekla;so you are saying diehard will show a nice numbers on rpi as well
609286;1396936837;asciilifeform;it will!
609287;1396936840;asciilifeform;and on the digits of pi
609288;1396936842;asciilifeform;and 'e'
609289;1396936844;kakobrekla;thats what im asking.
609290;1396936851;asciilifeform;it will show beautiful numbers
609291;1396936876;asciilifeform;but rpi is still unsuitable for cryptography
609292;1396936882;kakobrekla;so how do you know, for the particular case of rpi, that it is indeed fucked?
609293;1396936887;asciilifeform;because you cannot, except at great expense, determine what is inside.
609294;1396936911;artifexd;Hence your recommendation to build my own?
609295;1396936913;kakobrekla;im not using it myself but i am curious
609296;1396936915;asciilifeform;correct
609297;1396936932;asciilifeform;i cannot in good conscience recommend anything that is presently available for sale
609298;1396936936;asciilifeform;(this will change soon)
609299;1396936951;asciilifeform;building rng is not hard, and is educational
609300;1396936989;kakobrekla;so as of now there is no direct evidence "look here rpi is fucked" just a general concern over all products on the shelfs
609301;1396937013;asciilifeform;how do you know ... that it is indeed fucked << all crypto hardware, especially of the single-chip variety, is to be thought of as 'guilty until proven innocent'
609302;1396937048;kakobrekla;but it is (near?) impossible to prove its good
609303;1396937055;kakobrekla;you might just not see the bug
609304;1396937072;asciilifeform;it is indeed impossible to prove, with mathematical rigour, damn near anything
609305;1396937080;kakobrekla;:D
609306;1396937100;asciilifeform;we don't even know (to this standard of proof) if a pill against rsa requires factoring
609307;1396937122;*;asciilifeform has to sleep
609308;1396937133;kakobrekla;good night
609309;1396937153;artifexd;Thanks for your expertise!
609310;1396937300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9132 @ 0.00099642 = 9.0993 BTC [-]
609311;1396937978;dub_;;;later tell nubbins` whats a trusted canukistani buttcoin shop? hashtag lazyweb
609312;1396937978;gribble;The operation succeeded.
609313;1396938053;nubbins`;i know almost all of those words
609314;1396938069;nubbins`;you trying to exchange btc for cad?
609315;1396938081;dub;cad->btc yes
609316;1396938088;dub;not me, friend
609317;1396938239;nubbins`;cavirtex changed their verification rules recently, can't recall the details
609318;1396938257;nubbins`;they're the only place i've used in the past, but honestly i don't feel too great about them these days
609319;1396938278;nubbins`;vault of satoshi is another, but i think lower volume and they trade in doge, so...
609320;1396938300;dub;damn, if you think of somewhere gribble me, gotta go catch a boat, not sure when ill be back on-grid
609321;1396938406;nubbins`;no sweat. wish i could give ya better advice
609322;1396938428;nubbins`;meantime, it's somehow 4am, so i'm off
609323;1396938764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16140 @ 0.00099614 = 16.0777 BTC [-] {2} 
609324;1396940490;twizt;lol
609325;1396940497;twizt;everyday same shyt
609326;1396940500;twizt;mjr2
609327;1396941513;punkman;http://heartbleed.com/
609328;1396941513;ozbot;Heartbleed Bug
609329;1396941571;punkman;fucking openssl
609330;1396943034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00099476 = 8.4057 BTC [-] {2} 
609331;1396943707;bounce;hmm... wonder how those bugs ended up in openssl and gnutls.
609332;1396943770;bounce;asciilifeform: I forgot who mentioned to hook a 10k resistor to a mike in, turn up the gain, and feed that to the entropy pool. how suitable an entropy source is that in your opinion?
609333;1396943936;kakobrekla;its crappy unless you are fucking 5 hookers at same time to gather the noise
609334;1396943951;kakobrekla;was discussed before.
609335;1396946597;keonne;ThickAsThieves: missed opportunity to call it scAMEX
609336;1396946599;keonne;i lold
609337;1396946897;keonne;mircea_popescue: I actually havent met Dan Held in person, and my intel is lacking in the hot or not space
609338;1396946931;keonne;He has a very deep and masculine voice though.
609339;1396947050;keonne;omg if I see mpoe-pr at the conf, I so am going to get her autograph and ask hope she emasculates me
609340;1396948325;jurov;i *am* using rpi as a wallet (with electrum), however:
609341;1396948376;jurov;sd card is encrypted and i always use keyboard connected directly to rpi for passphrase
609342;1396948430;jurov;i don't connect it to switch, but with patch cable directly to notebook
609343;1396948903;keonne;;;gpg info keonne
609344;1396948904;gribble;User 'keonne', with keyid 7EECABD58314C40C, fingerprint 1EECFCBA5A9A5470B2149FA37EECABD58314C40C, and bitcoin address None, registered on Tue Apr  8 05:18:18 2014, last authed on Tue Apr  8 05:18:18 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=keonne . Currently authenticated from hostmask keonne!~abdul@snugglenets.com .
609345;1396949116;kakobrekla;jurov over ethernet?
609346;1396949640;Guest45980;hey guys, do you know a chart of the hashpower of the whole altcoin space?
609347;1396949649;Guest45980;sum of all hashpowers of all altcoins
609348;1396950049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00099417 = 19.9828 BTC [-]
609349;1396950293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2412 @ 0.00099531 = 2.4007 BTC [+]
609350;1396951452;jurov;dexX7: there is much property leftovers from cold war
609351;1396951467;dexX7;ah
609352;1396951478;jurov;and it is certainly continuously maintained
609353;1396951520;jurov;the picture looks like koenigswarte hill here near bratislava
609354;1396951676;jurov;yea it definitely is. the photo is made from tourist lookout tower next to the installation
609355;1396952512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4298 @ 0.00099531 = 4.2778 BTC [+]
609356;1396953018;keonne;mircea_popescu: put in a good word for me
609357;1396953030;mircea_popescu;sec writing brb
609358;1396953038;keonne;np
609359;1396954513;jurov;CoinBr going under maintenance, brb in couple hours
609360;1396956840;bitesak;;;ticker
609361;1396956842;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 449.0, Best ask: 450.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.95000, Last trade: 450.95, 24 hour volume: 8774.11284429, 24 hour low: 446.0, 24 hour high: 461.17, 24 hour vwap: 452.12891933
609362;1396957856;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/gotta-love-that-negro-speak/
609363;1396958106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00099756 = 9.7262 BTC [+]
609364;1396958792;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves obviously it's just a draft, i wouldn't expect to be filmed verbatim.
609365;1396958871;mircea_popescu;trilema looks for two things to find bots : whether you've actually loaded the page you're commenting on (which can throw it for a loop if the page you load gets expired while you try to comment, but this is indeed rare) and whether youve loaded it very recently (like a few seconds sort of recently).
609366;1396958958;mircea_popescu;decimation:
609367;1396958958;mircea_popescu;the real problem is that it makes it impossible to differentiate talented managers of resources from fools who happen to be friends with the bezzle-kings << HARDLY :)
609368;1396958966;mircea_popescu;this is like saying it's impossible to use the wot
609369;1396958971;mircea_popescu;in fact, exactly the same problem.
609370;1396959019;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 i imagined that's what you probably meant, but i discarded it because it made 0 sense. you don't care what the channel is like, you encrypt the message not the conduit.
609371;1396959040;mircea_popescu;i can somehow send you email perfectly safely by pastebining it. do the same, alter the firmware to use gpg signed packets.
609372;1396959049;mircea_popescu;you don't need new hardware for this in any snese.
609373;1396959138;punkman;you care what the channel is like, or it might just offer up DMA access to the other end
609374;1396959190;mircea_popescu;that's not the channel :)
609375;1396959264;mircea_popescu;but anyway, if the thing actually offers dma to all comers,  idun see why you'd buy one
609376;1396959275;mircea_popescu;just you know, redirect as many as you need.
609377;1396959380;jurov;kakobrekla yes. if someone is in my machine *and* knows what i'm doing on the ethernet port, i'm having bigger problem that some warm wallet
609378;1396959404;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform orlov definitely has a point there. bnw style stratification is a definite future available.
609379;1396959447;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla maybe point out to him that cardano will likely beat him to market and it'll be cheaper to just wait ?
609380;1396959466;mircea_popescu;o wait, you're banned, i got no pr and gerald hasn't yet enough of a clue to be here.
609381;1396959472;mircea_popescu;i guess he gets to waste some more resources.
609382;1396959498;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: RE: Negro speak -> The sleeping bag luffa reference most likely refers to the sponges, as most american sleeping bags have cheap synthetic interiors and fillings
609383;1396959522;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yes, but does it feel like the warm comforting feminine touch of the mother, or of the wife ?
609384;1396959580;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: so as of now there is no direct evidence "look here rpi is fucked" just a general concern over all products on the shelfs << all PROPRIETARY, closed products.
609385;1396959592;mircea_popescu;like, you know, i'll never eat something i'm not allowed to look at.
609386;1396959600;mircea_popescu;it can be chocolate truffles for all i care.
609387;1396959612;jurov;anything else on the shelf contains magnutide more close code than rpi
609388;1396959618;jurov;*magnitude
609389;1396959630;mircea_popescu;a not is enough.
609390;1396959673;mircea_popescu;i never heard of any practical classification of viruses by... size. what diff does it make, 2kb.
609391;1396959681;ThickAsThieves;http://www.bbc.com/news/health-26920521#sa-ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa
609392;1396959681;ozbot;BBC News - Paralysed men move again with spinal stimulation
609393;1396959686;jurov;so what. imma gonna fucked someday one way or other
609394;1396959747;jurov;the openssl shit today... to be 100% sure one'd need to rebuild everything
609395;1396959778;dexX7;the guys in -dev said updating openssl only is fine
609396;1396959804;mircea_popescu;jurov wanna hear something funny ? i just paid the largest bonus today, of my entire history in bussiness
609397;1396959822;mircea_popescu;do you know to whom ? to the guy who nixed upgrade from 10.04 on all my ubuntu systems, because, he said, "meh".
609398;1396959839;mircea_popescu;guess who never run any broken openssh. possibly the.only.one.on.the.internet.
609399;1396959922;jurov;that' s just a luck
609400;1396959959;mircea_popescu;yeah, the first time people do this sort of shit i call it luck.
609401;1396959969;mircea_popescu;by the fifth or so the bonuses start coming out.
609402;1396961156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.0009984 = 15.1757 BTC [+] {2} 
609403;1396961366;mircea_popescu;bounce: hmm... wonder how those bugs ended up in openssl and gnutls. << you needn't wonder. examine the matter plainly : for no appreciable reason, the usg muppets posing as "core devs" started work to meld pki into bitcoin protocol.
609404;1396961397;mircea_popescu;this was no coincidence, this has been a) deliberately inserted and b) widely and systematically exploited.
609405;1396961444;mircea_popescu;everyone involved is going to his grave with his tail attached.
609406;1396961525;mircea_popescu;s/his/this.
609407;1396962252;truffles;Apocalyptic i didnt think i gave a clear picture of how things went down so ill paste relevant lines
609408;1396962308;truffles;hmm many lines were exchanged heh
609409;1396962413;keonne;I think there are two K's in grokking mircea_popescu
609410;1396962441;keonne;also very glad im lazy and never update my shit, take your rolling releases and stuff them.
609411;1396962454;mircea_popescu;english has double k's ? what is this, wannabe-italian ?
609412;1396962455;keonne;definetely luck, and not smarts in my case.
609413;1396962466;keonne;im pretty sure Heinlein made up the word
609414;1396962502;keonne;back to reading brb
609415;1396962528;mircea_popescu;good for him but i ain't double k'ing
609416;1396962565;mircea_popescu;well unless it's moar dakka or something
609417;1396962578;keonne;fair enough, we all have principles we need to live by - i respect that
609418;1396962601;truffles;Apocalyptic i'll copy paste when ure around
609419;1396962670;mircea_popescu;http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RainbowPimpGear
609420;1396962671;ozbot;Main/Rainbow Pimp Gear - Television Tropes & Idioms
609421;1396962671;mircea_popescu;lmao
609422;1396962860;dexX7;do you have any info about real cases were gpg contracts and similar were binding in a legal matter?
609423;1396962939;keonne;lol
609424;1396962984;mircea_popescu;dexX7 pgp per se no, but akc is commonly used.
609425;1396963012;punkman;dexX7: a contract is a contract, it doesn't matter what kind of paper you use, or how you scribble your signature
609426;1396963034;mircea_popescu;that aside, yes, the court is not at liberty to disconsider it anyway.
609427;1396963050;mircea_popescu;ie what punkman said.
609428;1396963064;dexX7;akc?
609429;1396963079;mircea_popescu;asymmetric key criptography
609430;1396963085;dexX7;ah
609431;1396963189;dexX7;punkman: but a contract is worthless, if it could be easily forged
609432;1396963286;mircea_popescu;that's repudiation, which is a different matter
609433;1396963291;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33682 @ 0.00099589 = 33.5436 BTC [-] {2} 
609434;1396963314;mircea_popescu;(ie, to say "i did sign this but it should not bind me because it's a gpg contract" and to say "i never signed this" are different stands in court)
609435;1396963552;keonne;The point is valid, everyone who’s never tried it before imagines sex in the bushes is a great idea. I know better.
609436;1396963555;keonne;so true
609437;1396963574;mircea_popescu;keonne and consider i have the benefit of slaves.
609438;1396963580;punkman;it's not that bad
609439;1396963583;punkman;sand is worse
609440;1396963599;mircea_popescu;"wanna get on your back so as to insulate me from all this shit ? " "sure!"
609441;1396963627;mircea_popescu;punkman possibly a normal average bath tub is the worst.
609442;1396963637;mircea_popescu;seawater's pretty bad too.
609443;1396963650;keonne;yes i lost my virginity on a beach
609444;1396963675;keonne;besides sand in undesirable locations, pretty sure we were being watched by those who made the beach their home.
609445;1396963676;truffles;ewww sand in privates
609446;1396963691;punkman;seawater is weird yeah, screws with the lubrication
609447;1396963694;keonne;in fact, I know were were being watched, because three came out of the dunes to watch.
609448;1396963707;keonne;water in general screws with the lubrication
609449;1396963721;keonne;plus coming in any kind of water is asking for trouble
609450;1396963744;truffles;not to mention all the parasites that could be in it
609451;1396963750;keonne;*that are in it
609452;1396963767;truffles;but for some ppl whats one more disease hehe
609453;1396963780;mircea_popescu;there's no cunt parasite
609454;1396963786;mircea_popescu;tho granted that'd be some scary shit.
609455;1396963797;keonne;the cunt I was with then was a parasite
609456;1396963814;mircea_popescu;now that's a different story :D
609457;1396963821;keonne;i really should not be using my real name on here...lol
609458;1396963835;truffles;thats pretty unique
609459;1396963848;punkman;I've spotted a nice glass elevaror that's begging for it, only goes 5 floors up though
609460;1396963864;punkman;*elevator
609461;1396963875;truffles;to buy or ???
609462;1396963881;punkman;to fuck in
609463;1396963884;keonne;ok well i finished the waterfall of an article
609464;1396963887;truffles;solo?
609465;1396963892;keonne;now to swim through the river of footnotes
609466;1396964098;truffles;i just thought its interesting what the house looks like if its 5 floors!
609467;1396964211;keonne;so is there like a class of people here who do nothing but connect and disconnect all day and never chat? or am I missing something.
609468;1396964221;truffles;lol
609469;1396964229;truffles;chat rooms are a new concept to some
609470;1396964269;ThickAsThieves;mjr1 probly uses an android app or something that wakes everytime he checks his phone
609471;1396964288;keonne;that makes sense ThickAsThieves i already ignored him though
609472;1396964294;truffles;lol
609473;1396964300;truffles;he's an interesting fellow
609474;1396964303;keonne;Does he contribute to chat? I dont want to miss anything
609475;1396964305;keonne;ah ok
609476;1396964315;truffles;creative mind imo
609477;1396964328;ThickAsThieves;well if it's the normal mjr, he pops in every couple mos
609478;1396964357;keonne;I unignored, perhaps I was a bit too hasty, and the android explination makes sense
609479;1396964360;truffles;he peaked at chatting last yr i guess
609480;1396964366;keonne;lol
609481;1396964383;truffles;ya he actually spoke a bunch before
609482;1396964399;truffles;only has 2 blog posts
609483;1396964406;keonne;seriously tho, learning to screen session is an important part of irc
609484;1396964410;truffles;some1 should nudge him to do a 3rd
609485;1396964423;keonne;god dammit my inbox is filled with heartbleed bullshit
609486;1396964440;truffles;heartbleed?
609487;1396964469;keonne;http://heartbleed.com/
609488;1396964470;ozbot;Heartbleed Bug
609489;1396964490;keonne;can I borrow your rock truffles ?
609490;1396964500;keonne;i'd like to hide under it
609491;1396964504;truffles;ha
609492;1396964520;ThickAsThieves;give an exploit a good name and everyone pays attention
609493;1396964521;truffles;im stingy
609494;1396964565;keonne;they even had a logo ready
609495;1396964566;keonne;lol
609496;1396964579;dexX7;+ a nice landing page
609497;1396964605;keonne;is it running google analytics
609498;1396964666;keonne;nope, it would have been hilarious had it been
609499;1396964686;dexX7;haha yea
609500;1396964758;truffles;keonne what irc client do u use?
609501;1396964822;keonne;irssi
609502;1396964862;keonne;well i connect to a shell, and run irssi inside a screen session
609503;1396964872;truffles;i prefer mirc
609504;1396964876;truffles;looks weird
609505;1396964895;mircea_popescu;punkman make sure you place lookouts outside
609506;1396964899;mircea_popescu;you'll want the pics
609507;1396964937;mircea_popescu;keonne guy used to try and organise a ny central park bitcoin group buy thing.
609508;1396964949;keonne;5 story elevator doesnt give much time really
609509;1396964954;keonne;mircea_popescu: mjr ?
609510;1396964968;mircea_popescu;yea
609511;1396964985;mircea_popescu;and the point of fucking is going up and down repeatedly, i thought.
609512;1396964991;keonne;i already unignored him, again i rather not miss interesting chats, i just havent seen anything but connect/dissconnect
609513;1396965000;keonne;oooh, that explains what im doing wrong
609514;1396965012;truffles;push the emergency button when reach 5th?
609515;1396965036;MisterE;hmm heartbleed is nasty
609516;1396965047;MisterE;truffles: floor 5 1/2?
609517;1396965077;truffles;i dont, but id watch :D
609518;1396965087;MisterE;What movie was that?
609519;1396965094;truffles;nooo
609520;1396965097;mircea_popescu;keonne in principle ytou can ignore part/join msgs
609521;1396965101;truffles;im just saying not something id do
609522;1396965103;MisterE;Being Mircea Popescu? :D
609523;1396965118;MisterE;Being John Malkovich I think :)
609524;1396965129;keonne;i could write a script for irrsi i suppose
609525;1396965133;keonne;but then mjr wins
609526;1396965141;truffles;i actually think mp sex would appear boring id skip that
609527;1396965157;bounce;a script to ignore joins/parts?
609528;1396965178;keonne;oh wait
609529;1396965180;keonne;even better
609530;1396965191;bounce;/ignore * CRAP already takes care of it. not a good idea if you're chanop, but if you're not, well, this is freenode. it's full of CRAP.
609531;1396965191;keonne;"/ignore -channels #chan1,#chan2,#chan3 * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS"
609532;1396965194;*;mircea_popescu thinks keonne may be a littrle bit dyslexic :D
609533;1396965206;keonne;mircea_popescu: highly likely
609534;1396965241;keonne;or just careless
609535;1396965341;keonne;lets see if I did that right..
609536;1396965397;keonne;someone say something ?
609537;1396965458;mircea_popescu;;;echo hey keonne you broke the ircernets.
609538;1396965458;gribble;hey keonne you broke the ircernets.
609539;1396965477;keonne;mircea_popescu: im curious as to why you say that
609540;1396965491;mircea_popescu;<keonne> someone say something ? <<
609541;1396965499;keonne;my father and grandfather are dyslexic
609542;1396965509;MisterE;[20:58:07]  MisterD is now known as MisterE
609543;1396965754;keonne;yeah i fucked somehting up
609544;1396965798;keonne;mircea_popescu: no i meant the dyslexic comment lol
609545;1396966189;mike_c;it feels nice to see somebody besides bitcoin getting a public whipping.  thanks openssl!
609546;1396966284;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.05286545 = 2.0618 BTC [-] {7} 
609547;1396966343;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6 = 3.6 BTC [-] {5} 
609548;1396966344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 202 @ 0.00571026 = 1.1535 BTC [+] {15} 
609549;1396966346;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 106 @ 0.00154721 = 0.164 BTC [+] {4} 
609550;1396966392;MisterE;heh
609551;1396966402;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05400024 = 0.108 BTC [-] {2} 
609552;1396966424;MisterE;I'd rather it be something I dont care about like Java or Flash
609553;1396966524;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05400024 = 0.432 BTC [-]
609554;1396966707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6268 @ 0.00099158 = 6.2152 BTC [-]
609555;1396966878;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Java and Flash lack the utility to get hit this hard
609556;1396966891;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.005845 = 0.1461 BTC [+]
609557;1396966922;MisterE;true, even a full implosion by either woud be just another meh by now
609558;1396967256;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-]
609559;1396967257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.031 = 0.248 BTC [-]
609560;1396967317;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.03099999 = 0.434 BTC [-] {2} 
609561;1396967318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05299999 = 0.318 BTC [+]
609562;1396967378;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05299999 = 0.106 BTC [+]
609563;1396967561;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05400024 = 0.216 BTC [-]
609564;1396967920;asciilifeform;in other news, usa is tired of flying to orbit:
609565;1396967922;asciilifeform;http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/03/us/us-russia-relations-nasa
609566;1396967922;ozbot;NASA to end most activities with Russia - CNN.com
609567;1396968019;BingoBoingo;To be fair the various space weapons treaties and agreements made spaceflight a much more boring prospect
609568;1396968415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05400024 = 0.432 BTC [-]
609569;1396968476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11008 @ 0.00100116 = 11.0208 BTC [+] {2} 
609570;1396968517;thestringpuller;;;later tell mod6 I ptfoed. If/when you get this you aren't busy, pm me.
609571;1396968543;gribble;The operation succeeded.
609572;1396968582;mike_c;it is pretty horrible to run this against one of your servers and watch its memory get dumped to screen.
609573;1396968582;mike_c;http://pastebin.com/Ajx71rPe
609574;1396968582;ozbot;[Python] heartbleed ssl test - Pastebin.com
609575;1396968592;asciilifeform;remaining btc exchanges cleaned in 3, 2, 1...
609576;1396968622;danielpbarron;made my trilema credit payment back and then some by betting on MPOE :D
609577;1396968654;BingoBoingo;congrats danielpbarron
609578;1396968660;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
609579;1396968721;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032099 = 0.1605 BTC [+]
609580;1396968722;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0515 = 0.103 BTC [-]
609581;1396968781;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05075 = 0.203 BTC [-] {2} 
609582;1396968903;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032099 = 0.321 BTC [+]
609583;1396968953;keonne;java? give oracle some time, it is inevitable
609584;1396968965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.032099 = 0.1284 BTC [+]
609585;1396968985;thestringpuller;who needs ssl when you have gpg?
609586;1396969086;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04921785 = 0.3445 BTC [-] {4} 
609587;1396969091;asciilifeform;re: openssl - perhaps time for repost:
609588;1396969092;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299
609589;1396969093;ozbot;Loper OS » Don’t Blame the Mice.
609590;1396969107;keonne;Russia raises price on gas for Ukraine
609591;1396969107;keonne;See U.S., Russia crew lift off into space
609592;1396969107;keonne;Russia could invade 12 hours after order
609593;1396969109;keonne;In 2011, NASA retired its space shuttle fleet, its only means of getting to and from the station.
609594;1396969122;keonne;"This has been a top priority of the Obama Administration's for the past five years"
609595;1396969126;keonne;how to math
609596;1396969169;keonne;if top priority over the last 5 years, why retire the fleet 3 years ago
609597;1396969208;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032099 = 0.321 BTC [+]
609598;1396969342;keonne;wow http://www.journaldunet.com/ebusiness/commerce/patrick-oualid-oualid-monoprix-bitcoin.shtml
609599;1396969359;keonne;soon to buy stinky cheese and wine for bitcoin
609600;1396969386;Mats_cd03;"FBI says Russians Out to Steal Ideas From Tech Firms"
609601;1396969391;Mats_cd03;wut
609602;1396969411;keonne;monoprix is huge - if you read french i suggest reading that, that CEO knows whats going on
609603;1396969439;blackwhite;hey guys
609604;1396969487;Mats_cd03;http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.journaldunet.com%2Febusiness%2Fcommerce%2Fpatrick-oualid-oualid-monoprix-bitcoin.shtml&edit-text
609605;1396969505;keonne;he isnt CEO sorry, he is director of ecommerece
609606;1396969508;keonne;thanks Mats_cd03
609607;1396969510;Mats_cd03;the magic of technology, i dont has to read french
609608;1396969552;keonne;lol
609609;1396969638;BingoBoingo;I think the most terrifying prospect I could imagine for Bitcoin would be MP moving Trilema to French... So resistant to machine translation.
609610;1396969653;keonne;lol!
609611;1396969671;Mats_cd03;We do not yet understand the magnitude of the subject. Yet I am convinced that not to believe, it would be like not to believe in social networks there some time. Certainly there is no transaction in social networks, but there are relational in transactional ... and social networks contribute greatly. Do not believe the contribution of bitcoin in the
609612;1396969671;Mats_cd03;transaction, it is also a mistake.
609613;1396969690;Mats_cd03;any french speakers have a clue wat hes actually saying
609614;1396969696;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04775 = 0.382 BTC [-] {4} 
609615;1396969757;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.04622746 = 0.5085 BTC [-] {4} 
609616;1396969758;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.032099 = 0.8988 BTC [+]
609617;1396969768;keonne;one second Mats_cd03
609618;1396969787;keonne;my french isnt good, but I am currently in France with a native speaker
609619;1396969788;BingoBoingo;Mats_cd03: You seem. It seems like a language where the vocabulary is statutorally restricted would be especially amenable to machine translation, but practice is different
609620;1396969829;Namworld;I can speak french too.
609621;1396969965;keonne;I think something along the lines of 'the french dont get it yet, they think its a thing for crooks and money launderers, but not believing in bitcoin is like not beliving in social networks a few years ago
609622;1396970013;keonne;and you cannot say that they are different because social networks too deal with transactions (though of a different kind), and indeed social networks will have a big impact on bitcoin
609623;1396970018;keonne;something along those lines anyway
609624;1396970025;Namworld;Wait, what is this about? Not translating apparently.
609625;1396970042;keonne;Namworld: http://www.journaldunet.com/ebusiness/commerce/patrick-oualid-oualid-monoprix-bitcoin.shtml
609626;1396970053;keonne;Monoprix to accept bitcoin end of 2014 apparently
609627;1396970072;Namworld;Ah
609628;1396970110;keonne;Namworld: please excuse if I butchered that, like I said, my french is garbage
609629;1396970151;keonne;give me it in esperanto and i'd be fine, lol
609630;1396970360;Namworld;idk why esperanto, seems counter productive. English is already so widely used (Not as native language but all combined)
609631;1396970404;Namworld;Although yes Mandarin is at the top, but not really used outside of China.
609632;1396970422;benkay;i'm testing a strategy for location selection over the next ten years: prefer big network pipe installations and electricity generation sites over pretty much anything. theory being that people with money invested in internet hardware will deploy capital to protect it, need lowly others to run the machines, and provide the armed convoys of food that the big cities won't be enjoying.
609633;1396970479;benkay;in my region this is Prineville and Bonneville.
609634;1396970529;Mats_cd03;im paying down a place in SLO, CA atm
609635;1396970563;benkay;hanky basis for investment thesis is that in the way rivers were important to US city site locations once upon a time internet and power will be bastions of order in mad-max future.
609636;1396970564;Mats_cd03;theres a 550w sol farm in the district
609637;1396970585;benkay;ugh but all that human flesh
609638;1396970587;Mats_cd03;mw, that is (we're on the same wavelength apparently)
609639;1396970599;keonne;Namworld: Its very useful to learn before learning other languages
609640;1396970607;keonne;especially if you are a native english speakers
609641;1396970620;Mats_cd03;theres no point to learning mandarin
609642;1396970649;keonne;you are quickly familiarised with different grammatical structures and sounds, while still being easily learned due to its entirely constructed base
609643;1396970677;keonne;Overall you are correct though, and almost no one speaks or understands it
609644;1396970736;thestringpuller;Mats_cd03: you really waiting for a cardano to get into WoT?
609645;1396970737;thestringpuller;lol
609646;1396970753;Mats_cd03;im not in a rush
609647;1396970794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.005795 = 0.226 BTC [-]
609648;1396970855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 888 @ 0.0055105 = 4.8933 BTC [-] {10} 
609649;1396970856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
609650;1396970863;keonne;What is a cardano?
609651;1396970917;Mats_cd03;http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/
609652;1396970918;ozbot;S.NSA first product - The Cardano pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
609653;1396970926;keonne;thank you Mats_cd03
609654;1396970953;keonne;trilema is seriously the best thing I have ever spent money on, online.
609655;1396971088;keonne;oh i want
609656;1396971129;Mats_cd03;ascii is going to need a lot of units
609657;1396971460;robwhiz22;hi
609658;1396971469;Chris_Sabian;I can use a bit of help:  can anyone get the raw transcation from this tx id:  df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c
609659;1396971473;truffles;ho
609660;1396971486;Chris_Sabian;i know you can do it in bitcoinQT but I dont have access to it right noww
609661;1396971500;Chris_Sabian;and i dont know where it find it online
609662;1396971527;robwhiz22;Does anyone know when Mirceau tends to be online?
609663;1396971550;mike_c;you need to run with -txindex to get access to transactions not in your wallet
609664;1396971551;truffles;no
609665;1396971560;mike_c;and rescan the blockchain.
609666;1396971610;jurov;blockchain.info shows raw tx in advanced mode, no?
609667;1396971621;Chris_Sabian;so I need access to my wallet at the moment to do it?
609668;1396971681;mike_c;jurov: it shows the scripts, yeah.  https://blockchain.info/tx/df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c?show_adv=true
609669;1396971682;dignork;Chris_Sabian, https://blockchain.info/tx/df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c
609670;1396971691;artifexd;Or https://blockchain.info/rawtx/df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c
609671;1396971693;dignork;lol
609672;1396971695;keonne;was just gonna link that mike_c :)
609673;1396971700;robwhiz22;I will be on later.
609674;1396971715;truffles;blocks spamme
609675;1396971716;keonne;robwhiz22: you decide to ask in chat instead of pm this time?
609676;1396971722;keonne;aw he left
609677;1396971742;truffles;bad idea to pm ppl
609678;1396971749;keonne;indeed
609679;1396971783;keonne;he asked first, Mircea said no, and then he complained about it
609680;1396971800;truffles;oh
609681;1396971812;truffles;more interesting ppl to pm though :D
609682;1396971871;Chris_Sabian;ok. so if im trying to manually push the transcation via https://blockchain.info/pushtx , were is the raw hex then??
609683;1396971921;artifexd;https://blockchain.info/rawtx/df74678b86bdf78656b92a1fd7da70aa35ecba12847decd684485fb0a79e728c?format=hex
609684;1396971942;truffles;keonne u were supposed to say right, i know ure a blast
609685;1396971944;mike_c;um. blockchain already saw it :)
609686;1396971950;mike_c;what is the point?
609687;1396971997;keonne;oh sorry truffles
609688;1396972021;keonne;i wouldn't know, i never pm'd you
609689;1396972030;keonne;unless you are also moiety
609690;1396972036;truffles;i acept all pms
609691;1396972133;truffles;dunno who that is
609692;1396972140;Chris_Sabian;ok then.  just saw that.  I guess that I was confused that blockchain didnt see it because it didn't confirm.  :)
609693;1396972168;dexX7;blockchain.info tends to be broken for some time now
609694;1396972182;mike_c;well, it's not confirming because no tx fee.
609695;1396972247;Chris_Sabian;isn't there some room in blocks for 0 fee transcation though?  but it would take a long time to confirm though?
609696;1396972256;keonne;dexX7: whats broken? besides some charts? anything I need to expedite?
609697;1396972326;keonne;API should be back, we moved over to bitcoinj, and overall things are a lot quicker now. If there is something specific please let me know
609698;1396972328;dexX7;transactions were missing. not like an unconfirmed as in this case, but also historical ones
609699;1396972339;keonne;still? I thought we fixed all those
609700;1396972342;dexX7;hm
609701;1396972346;dexX7;not sure, if this is still an issue
609702;1396972353;dexX7;but it was over the last weeks
609703;1396972357;keonne;I think it has been resolved.
609704;1396972360;dexX7;ah nice
609705;1396972363;keonne;yeah it was a major issue
609706;1396972387;keonne;not in terms of functionality or people losing btc, but in a scaring the shit out of people way
609707;1396972407;dexX7;and a strange one ;) blockhashes were all fine, but tx count was wrong and as mentioned, txs missing
609708;1396972435;keonne;yeah the database corrupted, it was a very bad week
609709;1396972448;keonne;none of us slept very much
609710;1396972495;keonne;again if you see anything weird, just ping me here and ill get eyes on it asap
609711;1396972513;dexX7;good to know
609712;1396972605;keonne;One good thing out of all that, I didn't realize that android wallet users PIN codes are stored on bchain servers. As a result during the outage people weren't able to get into their android wallet with PIN only password. That is totally incorrect, from now on, your PIN will never be sent to our servers, it is hashed and stored locally instead
609713;1396972610;keonne;or will be
609714;1396972657;mike_c;Chris_Sabian: yes.  just takes longer.
609715;1396972663;keonne;with that being said, im off for a bit to grab some coffee, later
609716;1396972670;dexX7;cya
609717;1396972807;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.12926208 BTC to 7`616 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
609718;1396973112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1509 @ 0.000135 = 0.2037 BTC [+]
609719;1396973417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01700001 = 0.17 BTC [-] {2} 
609720;1396974211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199887 = 0.16 BTC [+] {3} 
609721;1396974759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00580999 = 0.2208 BTC [+] {2} 
609722;1396975024;truffles;some1 tell that guy coffee is bad for u
609723;1396975196;jurov;life is deadly anyway
609724;1396975225;truffles;is it though
609725;1396975241;benkay;keonne: you run blockchain.info?
609726;1396975241;BingoBoingo;truffles: Death is the only certain outcome of life
609727;1396975273;truffles;boingo for sure
609728;1396975279;truffles;no need to speed it up
609729;1396975315;BingoBoingo;No need to live to be 200 if you've never done anything either
609730;1396975345;truffles;sure could
609731;1396975354;truffles;just not things leading to possible bad times
609732;1396975365;thestringpuller;;;gettrust keonne
609733;1396975365;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user keonne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=keonne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=keonne | Rated since: never
609734;1396975439;truffles;so why are nerds offended about being called nerds eh
609735;1396975474;cgcardona_;There is no such thing as strong coffee—only weak men.
609736;1396975485;truffles;0.0
609737;1396975496;truffles;truth bombs
609738;1396975525;cgcardona_;top of tha mornin everyone
609739;1396975566;truffles;ive already made dinner ..
609740;1396975599;cgcardona_;heh. Around tha world—around tha world (daft punk theme)
609741;1396975670;truffles;nerd comment wasnt that random, other chat was qualifiying what it is to be one
609742;1396975709;cgcardona_;I don't think nerds are offended at being called nerds. I think true nerds/geeks/etc own that shit
609743;1396975752;truffles;id think its a good thing to be smart but u never know
609744;1396975794;cgcardona_;smart/clever/knowledgable/wise <---at some crossroads of those
609745;1396975820;benkay;can be a handicap, truffles. makes sucking at ones craft very painful when you start hitting that competence threshold that only lots of deliberate practice can get one over.
609746;1396975858;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.045 = 0.18 BTC [-]
609747;1396975872;truffles;well one cant know everything
609748;1396975879;benkay;in the same way men tell each other "smart/pretty/sane, pick two", managers are always looking for some combination of "smart/well-practiced/hard working".
609749;1396975892;danielpbarron;http://blockscan.com/address.aspx?q=1BGSqmCnkdyB7W2T15rSBS4qXBdY3LZn1t
609750;1396975894;cgcardona_;interesting insight
609751;1396975918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03209899 = 0.1926 BTC [+] {3} 
609752;1396975939;benkay;well-practiced and hard working is super valuable, well-practiced and smart is super valuable, smart and hard working comes in at the bottom untempered by practice.
609753;1396975948;benkay;and of course just plain old smart is completely worthless.
609754;1396975971;truffles;i actually rank in reverse
609755;1396975980;cgcardona_;i'm just dumb and lazy
609756;1396975985;benkay;;;google why i never hire brilliant men
609757;1396975985;gribble;From the Stacks: Why I Never Hire Brilliant Men | TaoYue.com: <http://taoyue.com/stacks/articles/brilliant-men.html>; The Joel on Software Discussion Group (CLOSED) - Why I Never Hire ...: <http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.558118.24>; The Old Joel on Software Forum - Hiring superstars?: <http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/?cmd=show&ixPost=17864>
609758;1396975997;truffles;slow pony
609759;1396976111;cgcardona_;oddly enough I had somehow never heard "smart/pretty/sane, pick two" until today
609760;1396976125;truffles;provided the brilliant doesnt come with lazi, id go brilliant every time
609761;1396976157;jurov;nonlazy brilliant eventually go crazy
609762;1396976171;cgcardona_;well there are meds for that...
609763;1396976175;truffles;we're all a lil crazy
609764;1396976177;cgcardona_;</partial joke>
609765;1396976214;benkay;funny how people go for the meds first and never think to go run in circles for thirty minutes...
609766;1396976235;truffles;i feel like any other option is purposely handicapping urself
609767;1396976557;cgcardona_;dude I just got an email from heroku about the ssl bug w/ this as my list of potentially affected apps: Here are your affected applications:
609768;1396976558;cgcardona_;{list of apps}
609769;1396976565;cgcardona_;the old variable in the email fail
609770;1396976570;cgcardona_;been a while since I seen that one
609771;1396977136;BingoBoingo;benkay: A jog can't do the things Lithium can though
609772;1396977181;truffles;how about drinking some tea, sitting doing a sudoku
609773;1396977207;benkay;most medicated people i've met don't jog 3 times a week, or even picking up heavy things until sweaty that many times a week. some variant of which is a prerequisite for stable mental chemistry.
609774;1396977224;benkay;<strike>ing</strike>
609775;1396977269;truffles;might take a lil more than that for the clincially insane
609776;1396977283;benkay;i'm not saying that mental health is purely a function of workout frequency. i've been larned better than that by the DSMi. it's just all too frequent that people resort to drugs without actually putting in the work to get their physical health dialed.
609777;1396977303;benkay;granted, it can be hard to get up in the morning much less work out when catatonically depressed.
609778;1396977357;Rick__;arij is here?
609779;1396977365;truffles;what would u suggest to the jocks then
609780;1396977387;los_pantalones;read a book
609781;1396977392;truffles;haha
609782;1396977439;asciilifeform;http://filippo.io/Heartbleed/#schneier.com
609783;1396977565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.0523161 = 0.9417 BTC [-] {5} 
609784;1396977818;BingoBoingo;http://filippo.io/Heartbleed/#trilema.com
609785;1396977826;BingoBoingo;MP > Scheier
609786;1396977840;asciilifeform;wait since when ssl on trilema?
609787;1396977846;mike_c;i checked trilema & coinbr this morning, both were clear.
609788;1396977859;Mats_cd03;trilema cpanel i guess?
609789;1396977909;BingoBoingo;Well, No SSL == NotHeartBleed
609790;1396977933;BingoBoingo;www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/08/the-big-rock-candy-foundation/
609791;1396977938;mike_c;trilema.com will do ssl connections, but you can't get the blog.
609792;1396977980;benkay;BingoBoingo: start urls with http:// for log url inclusion
609793;1396977996;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/
609794;1396977997;ozbot;Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo
609795;1396978006;TomServo;BingoBoingo: The title of that article is for some reason missing from the frontpage
609796;1396978006;BingoBoingo;www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/08/the-big-rock-candy-foundation/
609797;1396978015;BingoBoingo;TomServo: Yeah, I dunno why
609798;1396978092;mike_c;too much css
609799;1396978193;truffles;boingo u have blog also?
609800;1396978235;BingoBoingo;truffles: Where have you been since September
609801;1396978261;truffles;well if its random link without saying "in my blog ..." i dont click..
609802;1396978284;BingoBoingo;truffles: You also advertise how much you hate reading at all
609803;1396978298;truffles;u misunderstand
609804;1396978301;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Fixed, was actualy too much CSS
609805;1396978302;benkay;"Bingo Blog"
609806;1396978304;truffles;if its boring id rather not
609807;1396978305;benkay;how fucking hard is that?
609808;1396978324;benkay;being linked by BingoBoingo
609809;1396978325;truffles;ok ok i skimmed
609810;1396978371;BingoBoingo;Reading moar is the best prevention against getting buggered sore
609811;1396978403;truffles;i have small chat window so..
609812;1396978420;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/453574888587268096
609813;1396978420;ozbot;Twitter / gavinandresen: Expect a 0.9.1 Bitcoin Core ...
609814;1396978445;mike_c;BingoBoingo: much better.  good post. although not apples to apples, it is interesting to compare their activity #'s against http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/
609815;1396978480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.00555318 = 0.3499 BTC [-] {3} 
609816;1396978499;truffles;oh oh i dont like ur writing style eeek
609817;1396978508;benkay;48.) mjr___ 1023
609818;1396978535;danielpbarron;I got two irl contacts to join the WoT :D
609819;1396978548;benkay;which handles, danielpbarron ?
609820;1396978557;benkay;unless that's a rude question. is that a rude question?
609821;1396978569;truffles;tis rude
609822;1396978588;benkay;;;gettrust truffles
609823;1396978588;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user truffles: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=truffles | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=truffles | Rated since: never
609824;1396978589;truffles;jk
609825;1396978601;benkay;you don't count in this conversation apparently.
609826;1396978606;truffles;ha
609827;1396978606;danielpbarron;one hasn't signed up yet, the other is 'againbackson'
609828;1396978642;benkay;;;gettrust againbackson
609829;1396978642;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user againbackson: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=againbackson | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=againbackson | Rated since: Tue Apr  8 11:58:58 2014
609830;1396978656;danielpbarron;;;gettrust againbackson
609831;1396978657;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user againbackson: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=danielpbarron&dest=againbackson | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=againbackson | Rated since: Tue Apr  8 11:58:58 2014
609832;1396978659;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Thx, Well I figure for all of the porn there is less unpleasant buggery happening here
609833;1396978687;truffles;doesnt seem like too many r authenticated
609834;1396978696;danielpbarron;he's not online now :p
609835;1396978708;truffles;monologue commence?
609836;1396978762;truffles;boingo what percent of the blog is about u vs btc?
609837;1396978816;truffles;oh id so crush u in fantasy sports :D
609838;1396978861;BingoBoingo;truffles: Only one way to find out the log's contents...
609839;1396978976;truffles;i have harsh comments that i will hold to myself
609840;1396979033;BingoBoingo;I dunno that your comments can be sharp enough to cut deep...
609841;1396979052;truffles;oh, feel like ppl get sensy on the nets though
609842;1396979075;benkay;projecting much?
609843;1396979088;truffles;no wai, im like toughest person itc
609844;1396979098;BingoBoingo;truffles: There is a difference between people and "ppl"
609845;1396979135;truffles;ppl do picky
609846;1396979265;BingoBoingo;truffles: I don't think your wit is sharp enough to draw meaningful offense.
609847;1396979275;truffles;ouch!
609848;1396979318;truffles;well i tend to push buttons instead :(
609849;1396979428;BingoBoingo;That isn't even a very good emoticon
609850;1396979461;truffles;whats a good one
609851;1396979504;BingoBoingo;>:- ]
609852;1396979512;BingoBoingo;The horns show its malevolence
609853;1396979513;truffles;lol
609854;1396979518;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00579979 = 0.3074 BTC [+] {3} 
609855;1396979524;truffles;sure
609856;1396979552;BingoBoingo;And its square jaw shows it is strong
609857;1396979804;truffles;so guess we should all work out more
609858;1396979806;Mats_cd03;https://imgur.com/4nhUs
609859;1396979807;ozbot;Gay Seal - Imgur
609860;1396979867;MisterE;anyone understand chinese?
609861;1396979918;Mats_cd03;yes
609862;1396979945;MisterE;supposedly an interview with a Chinese bank manager that was taken with an iphone has been posted where he confirms PBOC will drop the hammer on RMB
609863;1396979959;MisterE;excellent, would you mind having a look if its credible Mats_cd03 ?
609864;1396979962;MisterE;http://video.sina.com.cn/v/b/130518221-3244140934.html
609865;1396979962;Mats_cd03;link it
609866;1396980027;MisterE;there's this too but not sure if related: https://www.fxbtc.com/news?id=3
609867;1396980065;Mats_cd03;sounds like thats what theyre talking about
609868;1396980080;MisterE;does it sound like they are who they are?
609869;1396980086;MisterE;and any date mentioned?
609870;1396980104;MisterE;err rather does it sound like they are credible?
609871;1396980200;Mats_cd03;the bank they're referring to is
609872;1396980202;BingoBoingo;http://gawker.com/star-trek-captain-narrates-insane-documentary-about-geo-1560832782
609873;1396980203;ozbot;Star Trek Captain Narrates Insane Documentary About Geocentrism
609874;1396980207;Mats_cd03;and my pinyin (romanization) is rough here...
609875;1396980221;MisterE;yea it's not easy
609876;1396980223;Mats_cd03;lingyun (inaudible) agricultural bank
609877;1396980234;MisterE;hmm
609878;1396980242;Mats_cd03;lingyun (inaudible) branch agricultural bank of china
609879;1396980404;truffles;kaku is in every modern doc!
609880;1396980467;Mats_cd03;oh and its by the 15
609881;1396980471;Mats_cd03;of this month
609882;1396980524;MisterE;well that's inline with rumors
609883;1396980685;MisterE;hmm agbank is massive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_Bank_of_China
609884;1396980798;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.590984 = 3.5459 BTC [-] {3} 
609885;1396980859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.59 = 3.54 BTC [-]
609886;1396980909;mike_c;PBOC will drop the hammer on RMB << what do you mean by this?  will let the exchange rate float more?
609887;1396980955;Mats_cd03;seems more like theyre trying to restrict btc institutions from peddling to the masses
609888;1396980970;MisterE;yes
609889;1396981005;MisterE;stopping rmb from being used to buy crypto
609890;1396981026;Mats_cd03;an amusing effort
609891;1396981056;MisterE;Mats_cd03: what is your impression of the people's credibility? Do they seem like a branch manager of one of the biggest Chinese banks?
609892;1396981078;MisterE;their language, is it proper formal business?
609893;1396981113;Mats_cd03;yeah
609894;1396981289;MisterE;thanks for doing that
609895;1396981312;MisterE;oh anything about that post / notice?  https://www.fxbtc.com/news?id=3
609896;1396981324;MisterE;I guess I can just plug it into google translate
609897;1396981356;Mats_cd03;they're shutting down due to the accounts being blocked (or something)
609898;1396981381;Mats_cd03;and some other things about pursuing legal action if dudes keep accusing them of running with the money
609899;1396981394;Apocalyptic;what are they shutting down ?
609900;1396981445;Mats_cd03;the bank received a directive to shut down fxbtc's bank account
609901;1396981459;MisterE;intersting
609902;1396981464;Mats_cd03;so the funds are frozen i imagine
609903;1396981469;MisterE;I didnt get that from google translate heh
609904;1396981499;MisterE;so their customers' funds are too
609905;1396981519;MisterE;Are you Chinese or live in China Mats_cd03? I recall one regular here at least lives there
609906;1396981580;Mats_cd03;i'm an .hk expat
609907;1396981592;MisterE;ahh ok yes it's you
609908;1396981600;MisterE;I'm in SE Asia also expat
609909;1396981611;Mats_cd03;i live in the us now
609910;1396981613;MisterE;mostly BKK / .sg pbased
609911;1396981615;Mats_cd03;is nice
609912;1396981623;MisterE;ahh nice to be back :)
609913;1396981646;MisterE;green grass and open space!
609914;1396981652;Mats_cd03;what is the living standard like there
609915;1396981663;MisterE;well like everything depends on money
609916;1396981675;Mats_cd03;well i lived in hk back when it was still green and open
609917;1396981681;MisterE;business opportunity abounds in Singapore but it's expensive as hell
609918;1396981696;MisterE;English is excellent there
609919;1396981713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6 = 3.6 BTC [+] {2} 
609920;1396981717;MisterE;most of the multis that dont want to go intot he emerging markets in SE Asia service them from .sg
609921;1396981724;Mats_cd03;i left just as some of the high speed rails were being built
609922;1396981741;MisterE;wow thats a wile ago
609923;1396981752;MisterE;I imagine is sucked a bit before then heh
609924;1396981756;Mats_cd03;in tsuen wan
609925;1396981760;MisterE;country so damn big
609926;1396981788;Mats_cd03;literally two months after i completed a purchase on a number of properties
609927;1396981867;MisterE;oh yea that will make you move
609928;1396981870;MisterE;I was in real estate in the US
609929;1396981877;MisterE;commercial zoning plannign and permitting
609930;1396981902;MisterE;worked inland SF bay area
609931;1396981902;MisterE;and Seattle
609932;1396981906;MisterE;did a lot of 1031 exchanges
609933;1396981926;Mats_cd03;ive lived in san jose
609934;1396981930;Mats_cd03;is nice
609935;1396981978;MisterE;Oh yea we built a datacenter build there, it is nice area
609936;1396981985;MisterE;perfect weather for me, best in US
609937;1396982128;Mats_cd03;san diego has the best weather
609938;1396982140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24092 @ 0.00100306 = 24.1657 BTC [+] {2} 
609939;1396982208;Mats_cd03;when i lived there the temperature fluctuated 20 degrees at most
609940;1396982226;Mats_cd03;90% of days were 60-80F
609941;1396982250;Mats_cd03;id still be there if it wasnt ungodly expensive
609942;1396982311;bounce;waitwaitwait, bitcoind is vulnerable to heartbleed?
609943;1396982377;Namworld;What nonsense is this?
609944;1396982427;Mats_cd03;'heartbleed', who knew security researchers had a flair for the dramatic
609945;1396982437;MisterE;www.heartbleed.com
609946;1396982465;Namworld;lel, what? "The Heartbleed bug allows anyone on the Internet to read the memory of the systems protected by the vulnerable versions of the OpenSSL software. This compromises the secret keys used to identify the service providers and to encrypt the traffic, the names and passwords of the users and the actual content."
609947;1396982465;midnightmagic;bounce: Only if you've allowed rpc connections from random douches, have turned on ssl, aren't limiting it based on IP, *and* they have your wallet.dat already and have been able to query your bitcoind constantly over time and caught you using the rpc command that unlocks your wallet.
609948;1396982486;Apocalyptic;it is bounca
609949;1396982488;Apocalyptic;*bounce
609950;1396982493;bounce;"the industry" is made up out of at least 90% deliberate FUDmongering
609951;1396982504;Apocalyptic;midnightmagic only describe the scenario when they would have all your privkeys
609952;1396982534;midnightmagic;Apocalyptic: Or your encrypted wallet and access to query your rpcssl port arbitrarily.
609953;1396982538;Apocalyptic;but yes bitcoind with rpcssl is vulnerable to memory leak of some memspace
609954;1396982552;midnightmagic;(and did so in between your wallet passphrase rpc command, and whatever you typed next)
609955;1396982561;Apocalyptic;right
609956;1396982564;midnightmagic;the leak is minimal
609957;1396982572;midnightmagic;(so far as we currently know)
609958;1396982579;midnightmagic;"we"
609959;1396982580;Namworld;What kind of bug allows anyone to just read the memory?
609960;1396982605;midnightmagic;it's not just any memory, it's a specific chunk
609961;1396982705;Namworld;yes, yes, still
609962;1396982706;midnightmagic;and the answer is, "One that needs patching immediately. If you're on ubuntu: apt-get update ; apt-get install openssl"
609963;1396982725;bounce;not all of your assumptions are going to be reasonable, actually. ssl is fairly logical when enabling rpc ("instant security" amirite or amirite), but restricting IPaddresses only so if either you have enough clue or someone in your vicinity does. similarly, plenty reasons why you'd leave the wallet unlocked.
609964;1396982813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.00014994 = 0.12 BTC [+]
609965;1396982862;midnightmagic;You have to specifically turn on rpcbind access to the outside world. You have to have specifically taken an action to expose yourself.
609966;1396982897;midnightmagic;and even if your wallet is unlocked, your privkeys aren't vulnerable. Only (so far) the last rpc command used in the server.
609967;1396982933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00014995 = 0.105 BTC [+]
609968;1396983010;bounce;AFAIK you get a random 64k block back, so whatever's in there you can get
609969;1396983020;bounce;s/AFAIK/AIUI/ but anyway
609970;1396983055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00014995 = 0.105 BTC [+]
609971;1396983081;thestringpuller;cron job yoyo
609972;1396983238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00081495 = 0.815 BTC [-] {4} 
609973;1396983421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00100503 = 14.1207 BTC [+] {2} 
609974;1396983512;asciilifeform;which one of you folks runs btcalpha.com ?
609975;1396983547;thestringpuller;what is that?
609976;1396983569;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, mike_c does
609977;1396983573;asciilifeform;thx
609978;1396983596;mike_c;now i'm nervous..
609979;1396983609;asciilifeform;stumbled across it by accident.
609980;1396983619;thestringpuller;;;gettrust mike_c
609981;1396983620;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user mike_c: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=mike_c | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mike_c | Rated since: Sun Nov 24 21:18:22 2013
609982;1396983702;thestringpuller;nice btcalpha is pretty good
609983;1396983742;MisterE;bounce: it is not a random 64k block and you can continue requesting them until you get all the info you want
609984;1396983752;MisterE;www.heartbleed.com
609985;1396984723;midnightmagic;bounce: No, it's not a random 64k block. It's the same block each time you run the attack.
609986;1396984900;midnightmagic;MisterE: It's just a chunk of the heap. to get different data, the heap contents must change in between attacks. That is, you can't just dump the process' entire memory space.
609987;1396985102;mike_c;"There is no total of 64 kilobytes limitation to the attack, that limit applies only to a single heartbeat. Attacker can either keep reconnecting or during an active TLS connection keep requesting arbitrary number of 64 kilobyte chunks of memory content until enough secrets are revealed."
609988;1396985312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48000 @ 0.00100609 = 48.2923 BTC [+]
609989;1396985822;taub;http://puu.sh/8189e.jpg fascinating and true
609990;1396986428;Apocalyptic;mike_c, is that django btw ?
609991;1396986437;mike_c;yeah
609992;1396986469;mike_c;how did you guess?  what am i leaking?
609993;1396986471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05499193 = 0.11 BTC [-]
609994;1396986514;mike_c;this was more fun when it was me probing trilema.
609995;1396987264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05499195 = 0.22 BTC [+]
609996;1396987447;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05499195 = 0.11 BTC [+]
609997;1396987752;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 135 @ 0.00148 = 0.1998 BTC [-]
609998;1396988351;jurov;some douche filed "illegal intrusion report" against simpleshell.com
609999;1396988370;jurov;just cause it "exceeded connection attempt threshold to tcp:22 81 times in a 30 minute period"
610000;1396988423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00100531 = 11.6113 BTC [-] {2} 
610001;1396988435;jurov;as if they fear two login attempts per minute
610002;1396988537;jurov;guess i'll axe it for now
610003;1396988544;mike_c;filed it with who?
610004;1396988580;jurov;with amazon
610005;1396988857;thestringpuller;;;ticker
610006;1396988858;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 454.55, Best ask: 455.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.95000, Last trade: 455.88, 24 hour volume: 5617.14157162, 24 hour low: 446.24, 24 hour high: 459.8, 24 hour vwap: 453.022093956
610007;1396988972;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88208 @ 0.00101 = 89.0901 BTC [+]
610008;1396988993;benkay;Apocalyptic: how'd you run down that mike_c's running django? i too am curious.
610009;1396989033;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014576 = 0.1458 BTC [-] {3} 
610010;1396989154;Apocalyptic;it was just a guess
610011;1396989460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 825 @ 0.0001451 = 0.1197 BTC [-] {5} 
610012;1396989905;mircea_popescu;mike_c: it is pretty horrible to run this against one of your servers and watch its memory get dumped to screen. << now imagine if hearn & co had their way and openssl was bundled in every "reference" bitcoin client.
610013;1396989933;mike_c;it is, right? hence 0.9.1
610014;1396989939;asciilifeform;lol!!
610015;1396989969;mircea_popescu;someone actually downloaded 0.9.1 ?
610016;1396989973;mircea_popescu;i mean other than to point and laugh.
610017;1396989990;mike_c;it's not released yet.  it is the fix for 0.9, which is vulnerable
610018;1396989994;mircea_popescu;o o i c.
610019;1396990032;mircea_popescu;keonne wtf is it with dyslexics and esperanto
610020;1396990039;mircea_popescu;it's like goth music and fat girls for crying out loud
610021;1396990113;mircea_popescu;Chris_Sabian  it's unconfirmed as of yet and i can't conveniently see it. you dun goofed ?
610022;1396990194;mircea_popescu;and .9 was the fix for .8.x, which was... broken.
610023;1396990249;mircea_popescu;then when i say satoshi quit mostly because he didn't want to be involved with these fucktards anymore people act as if this is somehow controversial.
610024;1396990705;bounce;well, there's a new chief developer guy now. everything gonna be better now, right?
610025;1396990769;mircea_popescu;no.
610026;1396990775;mircea_popescu;an' im working on the killshot as we speak.
610027;1396990827;bounce;so we're how many years on and I haven't looked but am I to understand there's still not much of a protocol spec? looks like the foundation sure set some useful priorities.
610028;1396990865;ThickAsThieves;i spoke with the reporter today about the Narcotic Checkpoint issue, went pretty well, she's gonna do more research
610029;1396990877;benkay;HeySteve2 was having epic problems with 0.9 and a wallet.
610030;1396990896;ThickAsThieves;offered to have me get a Letter to the Editor published
610031;1396990899;ThickAsThieves;we'll see
610032;1396992011;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: goth music and fat girls...wow that's very astute, i thought it was just an american phenonmenon
610033;1396992176;benkay;;;gettrust thestringpuller
610034;1396992177;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012
610035;1396992389;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/
610036;1396992389;ozbot;The sins of the group of posers behind the so called “Bitcoin Foundation� pe Trilema - Un blog d
610037;1396992397;mircea_popescu;now someone dump that on reddit, let's have some fun here.
610038;1396992398;benkay;http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/156262/lynchings-a-collective-mental-condition
610039;1396992403;ozbot;Lynchings: a collective mental condition - BuenosAiresHerald.com
610040;1396992450;mircea_popescu;benkay either that or a good idea.
610041;1396992516;benkay;you're a fan of the lynching?
610042;1396992569;mircea_popescu;i know for a fact that upon lynching a legal system can be built.
610043;1396992580;mircea_popescu;upon the derpage fashionable in the us today, no legal system can be built.
610044;1396992590;mircea_popescu;kalifornia at most. and that's really not good enough.
610045;1396992596;ThickAsThieves;typo: "on the othe rhand"
610046;1396992603;mircea_popescu;ty
610047;1396992649;ThickAsThieves;i'm tempted to get picky with your often-missing commas and hyphens, but it reads okay so whatever
610048;1396992666;mircea_popescu;i have my own (admittedly nutty) comma scheme
610049;1396992694;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22jv9k/the_sins_of_the_group_of_posers_behind_the_so/
610050;1396992709;mircea_popescu;cheers.
610051;1396992727;Naphex;upboat ^^
610052;1396992779;ThickAsThieves;Karpeles is a fugitive now?
610053;1396992790;mircea_popescu;not exactly keeping office hours is he ?
610054;1396992797;mircea_popescu;same deal as danny.
610055;1396992816;mircea_popescu;Naphex say what ?
610056;1396992817;ThickAsThieves;i thought Mark was cooperating n all that jazz
610057;1396992830;mircea_popescu;why ?
610058;1396992831;ThickAsThieves;i havent been following lately though
610059;1396992856;ThickAsThieves;cuz he was appearing in public and filing bankruptcies and finding coins in his couch, etc
610060;1396992876;mircea_popescu;he did not personally file anything,
610061;1396992890;mircea_popescu;and w/e, irc appearances in public ? hardly counts.
610062;1396992912;mircea_popescu;judge ordered him to show up in court if he intends to ask the court to protect him from his creditors.
610063;1396992930;mircea_popescu;the message there's pretty much this : civil court does not protect fugitives. ancient principle, too.
610064;1396992938;*;ThickAsThieves looks up definition of "fugitive"
610065;1396992966;ThickAsThieves;4. being of transient interest
610066;1396992967;mircea_popescu;well it doesn't reduce to car chases :p
610067;1396992973;ThickAsThieves;hehe
610068;1396992996;thestringpuller;so why do fat girls love goth music?
610069;1396993015;thestringpuller;i'm still intrigued by this phenomenon
610070;1396993025;Naphex;mircea_popescu: upboat for the reddit post ;]
610071;1396993044;ThickAsThieves;because they are sad
610072;1396993047;ThickAsThieves;duh
610073;1396993053;mircea_popescu;a ty.
610074;1396993056;thestringpuller;sad because guys don't want to touch them?
610075;1396993069;ThickAsThieves;all the reasons that come with being fat
610076;1396993092;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller maybe because they resonate with people inconvenienced by reality, being themselves inconvenienced by same ?
610077;1396993099;mircea_popescu;Naphex you like the only other romanian in here ?
610078;1396993106;mircea_popescu;o nm, cads sorta counts too
610079;1396993120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41208 @ 0.00100189 = 41.2859 BTC [-] {2} 
610080;1396993122;ThickAsThieves;maybe it's too options for the morbidly obese, outward depression, or a carreer in comedy
610081;1396993132;ThickAsThieves;two
610082;1396993143;ThickAsThieves;career
610083;1396993144;mircea_popescu;hardly. name a fat woman that was ever funny.
610084;1396993145;ThickAsThieves;lol
610085;1396993150;mircea_popescu;i mean, fat guys, i get it, it can happen.
610086;1396993154;Naphex;mircea_popescu: might as well be two, chilling around. might as well check this place out. has entertaining discussions from what i figured from chat logs
610087;1396993160;ThickAsThieves;the girl on SNL isnt that bad
610088;1396993161;Naphex;:p
610089;1396993164;ThickAsThieves;roseanne?
610090;1396993179;ThickAsThieves;that fat girl in the movies now is horribl ethough
610091;1396993212;ThickAsThieves;but yeah
610092;1396993218;ThickAsThieves;it's much more common in men
610093;1396993232;ThickAsThieves;fat guys can be a good time (no homo)
610094;1396993238;mircea_popescu;which is kinda weird, i always thought fat kinda goes with jolly
610095;1396993272;ThickAsThieves;i picked up jogging again, all this bitcoining made me buy new clothes
610096;1396993306;ThickAsThieves;i always do this, gain enough to buy new clothes, then that triggers me losing the weight so those dont fit either
610097;1396993318;ThickAsThieves;i got a system!
610098;1396993331;cazalla;hey me too, legs are killing me from doms, had to take a few days break lol
610099;1396993365;ThickAsThieves;most i ever ran was a half-marathon, which gave me my knee injury
610100;1396993396;ThickAsThieves;goes to the point of that 50-mile bitcoin runner guy being absolutely delusional or scamming
610101;1396993398;cazalla;i use to do 10km every morning but then i got fat and lazy when it was no longer a challenge
610102;1396993475;mircea_popescu;hmm, anyone know andre renard ? i find it quite palatable
610103;1396993497;mircea_popescu;cazalla so now it's a challenge again, see ? nature fixes all.
610104;1396993512;bounce;heartbleed, not beedingheart, and a plurality mismatch in the last paragraph or so
610105;1396993577;mircea_popescu;bounce i was trying for a libertard jab.
610106;1396993579;mircea_popescu;doesn't work huh
610107;1396993614;*;bounce didn't get it. doesn't mean others won't.
610108;1396993646;mircea_popescu;cause bleeding heart liberal see
610109;1396993681;bounce;clearly not american enough to appreciate that as a style figure
610110;1396993709;bounce;brb, there's a tree here as needs hugging
610111;1396993715;mircea_popescu;well im not either, so... you know. shootin' in the darklo;
610112;1396993780;ThickAsThieves;so now Texas has a bill to edit IRS to call bitcoin currency?
610113;1396993798;ThickAsThieves;can we just make it it's own thing?
610114;1396993801;mircea_popescu;i msta missed that one ?
610115;1396993813;TomServo;mircea_popescu | hardly. name a fat woman that was ever funny. << Lisa Lampanelli has some good stuff, but it's basically a female version of Don Rickles act
610116;1396993829;ThickAsThieves;if neither shoe fits, maybe it doesnt where shoes
610117;1396993847;ThickAsThieves;http://newsbtc.com/2014/04/08/congressman-stockman-seeks-introduce-bill-congress-declaring-bitcoin-currency-property/
610118;1396993848;Naphex;mircea_popescu: http://newsbtc.com/2014/04/08/congressman-stockman-seeks-introduce-bill-congress-declaring-bitcoin-currency-property/ some congressman wants some bitcoin donations
610119;1396993856;mircea_popescu;TomServo minus the funny. and btw, rickles was fat his whole life.
610120;1396993857;ThickAsThieves;you me a coke!
610121;1396993858;Naphex;beat me to it
610122;1396993862;ThickAsThieves;owe
610123;1396993868;mircea_popescu;oh, well. "seeks to introduce you know ?
610124;1396993875;mircea_popescu;that's the garbage bin of parliaments.
610125;1396993884;ThickAsThieves;it's written up, seems itll be introduced
610126;1396993890;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves "where shoes" ?!
610127;1396993898;ThickAsThieves;where what?
610128;1396993900;mircea_popescu;dude you wanna correct MY commas ?
610129;1396993903;ThickAsThieves;wear shoes
610130;1396993903;mircea_popescu;<ThickAsThieves> if neither shoe fits, maybe it doesnt where shoes <<
610131;1396993913;ThickAsThieves;lol
610132;1396993915;mircea_popescu;lol
610133;1396993920;ThickAsThieves;i'm super retarded today
610134;1396993927;mircea_popescu;have a drink, have a straw.
610135;1396993971;ThickAsThieves;funny thing is when you said that, i didnt check "where", i checked the comma
610136;1396993982;ThickAsThieves;:)
610137;1396994012;mircea_popescu;keonne so what are the details re the right hash but wrong block composition thing ? cause yeah it got me scratching my head.
610138;1396994046;ThickAsThieves;ugh "Actually, what is needed is to leave it as property but add an exemption for the first $X0,000 of gain, which is what other countries are doing, particularly in Europe. That way it can effectively function as a currency, but investors who go long also get favorable tax treatment."
610139;1396994062;ThickAsThieves;apply this law to specifically what i want plz
610140;1396994089;ThickAsThieves;wtf does US care whether people go long on bitcoin
610141;1396994113;mircea_popescu;actually the us needs people long on bitcoin. many of them.
610142;1396994140;ThickAsThieves;you mena in the same way that a child needs to be slapped sometimes
610143;1396994154;mircea_popescu;more like in the way a poor farmer with 13 kids needs one in school.
610144;1396994215;ThickAsThieves;but encouraging people to go long on it, means it eats away at its own financial system, no?
610145;1396994233;mircea_popescu;so ?
610146;1396994245;mircea_popescu;upgrading is the only economically rational form of cannibalism.
610147;1396994255;ThickAsThieves;well i agree, but i doubt the USG would intentionally do encourage it
610148;1396994255;mircea_popescu;that system is getting et. best you be doin' most of the etin'.
610149;1396994274;mircea_popescu;who knows, it's like an earthworm. it sorta slugs away but not as a direct result of any of the ganglions.
610150;1396994300;ThickAsThieves;i can see that much i guess
610151;1396994333;mircea_popescu;anyway, just sayin'. who's to know really. in point of fact, you can probably find a *state* senator trying to put in a bill on any given topic.
610152;1396994342;ThickAsThieves;nonetheless, i doubt any of the intent of these IRS rulings or bills is to get people to go long
610153;1396994346;mircea_popescu;there's probably some trying to put in bills to make women wear burkas
610154;1396994367;fluffypony;or give ponies an actual place in office
610155;1396994373;mircea_popescu;i doubt any of this shit can really HAVe an intent in the first place. people, esp on the forum, keep ascribing intent to large organisational actors
610156;1396994373;fluffypony;I'd vote for that if I was American
610157;1396994377;mircea_popescu;if it fucking worked that way...
610158;1396994400;ThickAsThieves;if there's no intent, wtf is a bill?
610159;1396994404;mircea_popescu;what's el nino's intent you know ?
610160;1396994415;mircea_popescu;a bill is a product. of a system. like snail trails.
610161;1396994458;ThickAsThieves;a bill is built, not shat
610162;1396994462;ThickAsThieves;more like a web than a trail
610163;1396994468;mircea_popescu;benkay smart hardworking isn't as bad as you think.
610164;1396994474;mike_c;the intent of a bill with no chance of passing is PR.
610165;1396994476;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i'd say the converse. a bill is shat, not anything else.
610166;1396994494;ThickAsThieves;mike_c i can see that
610167;1396994501;mircea_popescu;that's solid too, yeah.
610168;1396994505;*;fluffypony needs to watch more House of Cards
610169;1396994510;ThickAsThieves;but i think bitcoin bills have chances still
610170;1396994514;mircea_popescu;maybe someone should talk to him, i guess. anyone in his district ?
610171;1396994526;ThickAsThieves;Ukyo might be
610172;1396994528;ThickAsThieves;:)
610173;1396994557;benkay;mircea_popescu: more of a comment on myself than the world
610174;1396994572;benkay;but you know, any of the two are great to have around, right?
610175;1396994579;ThickAsThieves;i could see a bill being passed as being closer to "shat"
610176;1396994642;ThickAsThieves;maybe bills are more like cumshots
610177;1396994643;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i guess i was thinking more about "passed"
610178;1396994653;mircea_popescu;otherwise, we two could write a bill in that sense, right now. what of it.
610179;1396994667;ThickAsThieves;well we were speaking of intent
610180;1396994744;mircea_popescu;a but unrelatedly, as the possibility of intent in large institutional actors.
610181;1396994745;ThickAsThieves;but i'll write a bill with you anytime baby. I'll hold your commas, and you can diddle my phonetic abortions
610182;1396994754;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing, a government/agency/etc is quite incapable of intent.
610183;1396994788;ThickAsThieves;yeah it
610184;1396994788;mircea_popescu;supreme court peering into "the intent of congress" is perhaps the largest inside joke in the us legal profession.
610185;1396994793;ThickAsThieves;'s frustrating
610186;1396994824;fluffypony;ok so I have a question that has nothing to do with bills
610187;1396994834;mircea_popescu;fluffypony shoot
610188;1396994834;fluffypony;if I'm looking to raise BTC-denominated funds privately as a company (angel investing, really) and don't want to go the IPO route in order to at least somewhat stave off the general discovery of trade secrets (for want of a better term), is there a generally accepted way of doing so? proposal has been drawn up already, just not really sure how one goes about finding BTC angel investor types
610189;1396994843;ThickAsThieves;coins, bills, what's the difference?
610190;1396994853;mircea_popescu;fluffypony one first gets into the wot.
610191;1396994858;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: already there
610192;1396994860;mircea_popescu;then that one establishes his credibility, over time.
610193;1396994867;mircea_popescu;then it just sorta happens by itself.
610194;1396994881;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22jv9k/the_sins_of_the_group_of_posers_behind_the_so/ << lol angry redditoars.
610195;1396994894;nubbins`;;;gettrust fluffypony
610196;1396994895;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr  6 08:20:32 2013
610197;1396994901;mircea_popescu;im not a psychopath! i'm just an asshole!
610198;1396994948;mircea_popescu;fluffypony a cool, look at that.
610199;1396995003;fluffypony;lol
610200;1396995012;fluffypony;well rg's positive rating on my wot profile still stands
610201;1396995021;fluffypony;but because everyone's changed their rating of him to a negative
610202;1396995030;fluffypony;it means the trust graphs to me are all unhappy pandas
610203;1396995039;fluffypony;thanks a lot, rg
610204;1396995042;fluffypony;:-P
610205;1396995046;mircea_popescu;lol not exactly how it works.
610206;1396995050;benkay;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22ib8o/heartbleed_bitstamp_api_hash_on_key_only/
610207;1396995050;ozbot;Heartbleed + Bitstamp API (hash on key only) : Bitcoin
610208;1396995052;mircea_popescu;anyway, stick around, no rush
610209;1396995058;Naphex;wot schmot, fluffypony , go do your thing make some money, things will happen ;]
610210;1396995077;mircea_popescu;"so if you were to perform the request over an unsecured network, you could easily intercept and send a different payload without having to generate a new signature"
610211;1396995079;mircea_popescu;holy hell batman
610212;1396995082;mircea_popescu;WHO WROTE THIS CODE
610213;1396995086;fluffypony;Naphex: the company is already making money, just not enough for the next lot of things we're doing :)
610214;1396995087;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i hold you personally responsible!
610215;1396995092;mircea_popescu;why didn't you warn us in time!
610216;1396995104;mircea_popescu;fluffypony well what company is it ?
610217;1396995110;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: https://openrigs.com
610218;1396995133;mircea_popescu;o so you make rigs ? that's a pretty cool idea!
610219;1396995144;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: well, frames for rigs
610220;1396995164;fluffypony;but yes, peripheral services for miners is the primary aim of the business
610221;1396995165;mircea_popescu;yes yes is what i meant, metal rig frames
610222;1396995167;BCB;mircea_popescu, tells us how you really feel about the BCF
610223;1396995180;mircea_popescu;BCB no need to, because gavin did the right thing and quit.
610224;1396995186;mircea_popescu;rage partially averted.
610225;1396995187;Naphex;mircea_popescu: i'm guessing any decent programmer that implemented the bitstamp API noticed that they do HMAC all wrong, also the guy who posted that, total douche imho :)
610226;1396995205;mircea_popescu;Naphex bit of an inside joke :p
610227;1396995227;Naphex;mircea_popescu: guy probably had a short on bitfinex trololol
610228;1396995255;mircea_popescu;fluffypony so what are you planning to expand into ?
610229;1396995276;BCB;mircea_popescu, he's still being paid by them
610230;1396995299;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I'll gladly send you the proposal if you have a bit of time to take a glance at it, just not too keen on sharing it publicly for all and sundry;)
610231;1396995307;mircea_popescu;a well then no need.
610232;1396995315;mircea_popescu;just curious if you wanted to say anything in public.
610233;1396995316;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04512574 = 0.361 BTC [-] {4} 
610234;1396995377;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.03219009 = 0.3541 BTC [+] {2} 
610235;1396995400;mircea_popescu;fluffypony how much did you sell so far ?
610236;1396995418;mircea_popescu;kinda curious because the appalling situation of mining rig arrangements is a bit of a historical lolpoint
610237;1396995423;mircea_popescu;if you ever read buttcoin.org etc
610238;1396995435;fluffypony;mircea_popescu:1500 orders, 3000 frames
610239;1396995438;fluffypony;since Nov 2013
610240;1396995448;fluffypony;but we've also had customers that aren't miners
610241;1396995453;mircea_popescu;o hey. so 3k frames closer to sanity, that's a public service.
610242;1396995463;fluffypony;OCLHashCat users and the GPGPU/GPUGrid crowd
610243;1396995472;mircea_popescu;do you build them in your garage like ? or got a little warehouse somewhere ?
610244;1396995480;nubbins`;my square cc reader showed up in the mail today, woo
610245;1396995507;fluffypony;got a fabrication facility, and then it's packed and shipped from a picking/qc floor
610246;1396995515;Aquent;Why you saying Mark Karpels is a fugitive?
610247;1396995520;mircea_popescu;pretty cool.
610248;1396995529;mircea_popescu;Aquent because that's what you call people who avoid showing up in court.
610249;1396995544;Aquent;no you dont
610250;1396995553;Aquent;thats what you call people who avoid criminal law
610251;1396995554;Aquent;not civil
610252;1396995559;nubbins`;^ he got ya on a technicality
610253;1396995568;Aquent;anyway, do you have any info where he is?
610254;1396995587;nubbins`;rumor has it he committed seppuku
610255;1396995588;fluffypony;!seen MagicalTux
610256;1396995589;mircea_popescu;i do not.
610257;1396995590;fluffypony;:-P
610258;1396995591;Aquent;some article is saying he's gone to taiwan
610259;1396995597;mircea_popescu;a situation eerily similar to that of a fugitive.
610260;1396995600;Aquent;is that what you were refering to or....
610261;1396995620;fluffypony;I bet he'll turn up in a StarBucks somewhere
610262;1396995639;bounce;went on a hike with that neobee guy?
610263;1396995647;nubbins`;hike?!
610264;1396995654;danielpbarron;http://blockscan.com/assetInfo.aspx?q=MEAT
610265;1396995656;mircea_popescu;they are visiting meta-graceland, for a party hosted by elvis
610266;1396995666;Aquent;lol
610267;1396995668;bounce;starbucks crawl, whatever
610268;1396995676;mircea_popescu;the crispy mille
610269;1396995677;fluffypony;lol
610270;1396995683;Aquent;right ok I would kindly and very respectfully ask you to change the wording
610271;1396995688;Aquent;fugitive creates panic
610272;1396995695;Aquent;especially considering some other rumours
610273;1396995695;mircea_popescu;panic about what ?!
610274;1396995703;ThickAsThieves;lol
610275;1396995708;ThickAsThieves;Aquent is Mark?
610276;1396995716;Aquent;its just a suggestion - take it or leave it is of course entirely your choice
610277;1396995718;benkay;;;gettrust Aquent
610278;1396995718;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Aquent: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Aquent | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Aquent | Rated since: never
610279;1396995735;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves no it's really me. you know how it goes, everyone's me.
610280;1396995745;ThickAsThieves;it's not easy being you
610281;1396995752;ThickAsThieves;i should know!
610282;1396995757;mircea_popescu;lol
610283;1396995769;benkay;fascinating, danielpbarron
610284;1396995779;mircea_popescu;just promise me you don't come up with this nutty ritual of eating "my flesh and blood" later on.
610285;1396995796;fluffypony;Aquent: because all the mtgox bagholders might panic and sell their coins on mtgox?
610286;1396995798;Duffer1;change the wording to what though? "a situation eerily similar to that of a fugitive"  how is that different?
610287;1396995799;fluffypony;oh...wait...
610288;1396995802;ThickAsThieves;i'm vegan, so we're good
610289;1396995809;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you mean we're god.
610290;1396995811;mircea_popescu;harharhar
610291;1396995814;ThickAsThieves;:)
610292;1396995829;BCB;mircea_popescu, how many ipo have you done
610293;1396995882;ThickAsThieves;kinda a weird question
610294;1396995898;mircea_popescu;bout a dozen give or take
610295;1396995900;mircea_popescu;and contrary to whatever you may have heard, ive done in fewer than that.
610296;1396995902;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves better larger number.
610297;1396995921;mike_c;forum lulz @ neobee:  "The financial report that you all have been waiting for is ready.  Total revenue from date of incorporation to date: ZERO."
610298;1396995943;nubbins`;ha
610299;1396995945;mircea_popescu;mike_c is this also me posting ?
610300;1396995954;nubbins`;is that you, john wayne?
610301;1396995956;mike_c;undoubtably
610302;1396995957;nubbins`;is this me?
610303;1396995965;mircea_popescu;hello this is you.
610304;1396995969;mircea_popescu;i have no idea what you are doing.
610305;1396996014;mircea_popescu;wait dudes! do you realise god spelled backwards is dog, and so the black lab meme and the bitcoin jesus meme just came together in a total and complete
610306;1396996021;mircea_popescu;MEMPOCALYPSE ?!?!
610307;1396996042;mircea_popescu;http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/massive-gas-cloud-collide-black-hole-get-watch-live/
610308;1396996042;ozbot;A gas cloud collides with the black hole at the center of our galaxy, and we get to watch | PBS News
610309;1396996042;nubbins`;apocaleme
610310;1396996053;nubbins`;please keep all gods on a leash
610311;1396996070;BCB;mircea_popescu, you have any numbers posted  market caps, exits (beisdes the very suspicious satoshi dice)
610312;1396996090;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/
610313;1396996090;ozbot;The list of discontinued assets on MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
610314;1396996092;mircea_popescu;there's that.
610315;1396996095;mircea_popescu;the rest's on teh exchange.
610316;1396996145;BCB;mircea_popescu, what was the kluge scam?
610317;1396996180;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema kludge the musical
610318;1396996181;gribble;Bitcoin Lolcows, the musical. Today, Kludge pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-lolcows-the-musical-today-kludge/>; How does one list on MPEx ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/how-does-one-list-on-mpex>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
610319;1396996186;mircea_popescu;first one
610320;1396996292;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
610321;1396996405;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: benkay: A jog can't do the things Lithium can though <<< actually, afaik it does.
610322;1396996418;mircea_popescu;oldest and still strongest remedy for all mental issues is exhaustion.
610323;1396996496;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: MP > Scheier << lol
610324;1396996533;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/ neh ? works if you want it, just, doesn't default to it. compatibility ftw.
610325;1396996536;ThickAsThieves;jogging produces cannabinoids
610326;1396996550;ThickAsThieves;free high!
610327;1396996553;mircea_popescu;coolabuttoids too
610328;1396996614;asciilifeform;ahahaa
610329;1396997027;mircea_popescu;an' for the record, just in case : http://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/#comment-98933
610330;1396997329;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28650 @ 0.00099824 = 28.5996 BTC [-] {2} 
610331;1396997615;mircea_popescu;1.) assbot 228202 2.) mircea_popescu 72397
610332;1396997618;mircea_popescu;so take that!
610333;1396997673;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: beautiful piece - but the fact that the phoundation will still be revered and fellated in the world media tomorrow tells us how firmly the buggers are still in control.
610334;1396997694;Naphex;i heard BlockChains.info CoinJoin has been stealthing some BTC's lately
610335;1396997708;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a meta-nsa may or may not exist. a meta-media definitely does exist.
610336;1396997709;asciilifeform;'bob the bridge builder' fucks goat after goat, has done a whole herd, but remains listed in the phone book under 'bridge builder'
610337;1396997737;mircea_popescu;Naphex keonne was sayin' earlier they got it fixed, waiting for him to pop back in cause i wanted to grill him a little
610338;1396997772;Naphex;i heard it around 'town'
610339;1396997786;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and by bob you mean bruce ?
610340;1396997792;Naphex;messing up their TX tables and getting bitcoins locked in addresses
610341;1396997929;mircea_popescu;MisterE that bank shutdown/issue seems by and large unrelated to btc in any sense. just part and parcel of larger fin sector chinese woes.
610342;1396998000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 6.17987915 BTC to 13`595 shares, 45457 satoshi per share
610343;1396998001;tg2;benkayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
610344;1396998005;tg2;http://bitcoinexpo.ca/
610345;1396998111;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic actually, it's pretty much all the memory. in 64k chunks, yes, but trivial to map it all out.
610346;1396998144;asciilifeform;process memory
610347;1396998158;asciilifeform;(unless poor chumper ran with 'root' privs)
610348;1396998160;mircea_popescu;all process memory, yes
610349;1396998171;mircea_popescu;let's not even go into what exactly "process memory" means on windows
610350;1396998174;tg2;is it only the process space for the webserver?
610351;1396998182;mircea_popescu;or into how things such as the vidcard can be leveraged for this purpose./
610352;1396998195;benkay;cavirtex is sponsoring the caconf
610353;1396998202;benkay;nice
610354;1396998202;mircea_popescu;tg2 the process memory for the process running the openssl code
610355;1396998206;mike_c;it is the process space for whatever is handling ssl connections.. so all ur keyz belong to us
610356;1396998210;benkay;scamhavior universal
610357;1396998217;asciilifeform;the basics of priv elevation on common os variants is a subject beaten to death elsewhere on the net
610358;1396998222;asciilifeform;no need to re-tell it here.
610359;1396998225;tg2;inb4 noobs not using perfect forward
610360;1396998227;asciilifeform;unless, of course, someone wants
610361;1396998228;mircea_popescu;exactly. i just include it by reference.
610362;1396998249;tg2;out of bounds and native c go hand in hand
610363;1396998251;mircea_popescu;tg2 afaik pfs is so rare you might as well call it exotic
610364;1396998260;tg2;pfs is pretty easy to set up
610365;1396998264;tg2;and it has been around for a while
610366;1396998264;mircea_popescu;nevertheless.
610367;1396998269;mircea_popescu;nevertheless.
610368;1396998270;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: No; that doesn't appear to be accurate. Ask whoever it is who is telling you that to describe how to target specific memory regions, because I'm fairly sure they're wrong.
610369;1396998277;*;mircea_popescu just keeps on pasting "nevertheless"
610370;1396998278;tg2;i'm sure it's adoption will increase in light recent events ;)
610371;1396998292;tg2;benkay, what was your site
610372;1396998294;tg2;candiansomething?
610373;1396998301;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic "There is no total of 64 kilobytes limitation to the attack, that limit applies only to a single heartbeat. Attacker can either keep reconnecting or during an active TLS connection keep requesting arbitrary number of 64 kilobyte chunks of memory content until enough secrets are revealed."
610374;1396998306;mircea_popescu;http://heartbleed.com/
610375;1396998306;ozbot;Heartbleed Bug
610376;1396998312;mircea_popescu;some of teh doods that reported it.
610377;1396998329;mircea_popescu;tg2 yeah. or maybe it won't.
610378;1396998339;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: That is from the heartbleed site. It implies more information is available, but it's information which is sitting in that specific area. It's a busy area, but it's just that specific area.
610379;1396998344;bounce;and named it, and registered a domain for the name
610380;1396998364;midnightmagic;It's an abitrary number of 64k chunks, but it's not arbitrary *locations*.
610381;1396998376;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic this, ~as far as we know~ is probably true.
610382;1396998381;mircea_popescu;nevertheless.
610383;1396998406;bounce;if there's multiple code paths you can get there it gets more interesting still
610384;1396998418;Naphex;gn o/
610385;1396998430;mircea_popescu;^
610386;1396998437;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: Well the wording in that section is slippery. My current understanding is to vary the information requires being able to manipulate program execution in other areas of the program.
610387;1396998449;mircea_popescu;at this stage i don't see how any negative statements can really be made.
610388;1396998537;midnightmagic;The attack is just a heartbeat with a size modifier different; it's an overrun read-only flaw. Unless the attack is expanded to something else, there is no targetting. It's "whatever's sitting 64k behind the heap."
610389;1396998562;mircea_popescu;but since you can in principle repeat it indefinitely it's in principle anything.
610390;1396998564;asciilifeform;i specifically mentioned 'openssl' in 'don't blame the mice.' well, nobody want to read a crackpot blog, they will have to learn the lesson on their own arse.
610391;1396998582;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know you're in the footnotes for that reason :)
610392;1396998586;asciilifeform;and when people realize the actual root of the problem (as eventually must) they will piss themselves.
610393;1396998637;fluffypony;before I patched our local server this morning (not behind CloudFlare as CloudFlare don't have a node in South Africa) I played around with it
610394;1396998655;fluffypony;it bleeds tons of cookies from the httpd's memory space
610395;1396998668;fluffypony;some of them are broken, but enough weren't
610396;1396998692;mircea_popescu;fluffypony mike_c was liveircing wowmoments with it earlier too
610397;1396998776;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I still maintain that the damage from something like this could be reduced by mitigating session hijacking
610398;1396998778;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: stumbled across it by accident.  << haha mike_c you be famous nao.
610399;1396998804;mircea_popescu;fluffypony there's many ways to mitigate a known attack, by the very definition of "known".
610400;1396998804;fluffypony;but locking a session to an IP is also fraught with issues, so that's not a good technique
610401;1396998815;mircea_popescu;the point here is that this attack spent most of the past two years unknown.
610402;1396998832;fluffypony;yeah I'm not talking about mitigating the heartbleed attack
610403;1396998839;fluffypony;just mitigating session hijacking
610404;1396998851;fluffypony;if POST/GET vars bleed that's one thing
610405;1396998855;Naphex;mircea_popescu: you can basically  sniff whole SSL trafic with Heartbleed.
610406;1396998862;*;bounce recalls an irc discussion going on 15 years back, where someone speculated that a nsa backdoor might look like "int foo;" instead of "long foo;". and you just can't tell. well, here we have such an innocuous thingy. and you never can tell. but spectacular, that the effects certainly are.
610407;1396998873;mircea_popescu;Naphex all the poor souls arguing with me over tor's safety a few months ago. awww.
610408;1396998875;Naphex;just write some code and point it
610409;1396998877;asciilifeform;;;google underhanded c contest
610410;1396998878;gribble;The Underhanded C Contest: <http://underhanded.xcott.com/>; The Underhanded C Contest » This Year: <http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5>; The Underhanded C Contest » About: <http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=2>
610411;1396998889;mircea_popescu;bounce indeed.
610412;1396998898;mircea_popescu;im still trying to discern how they got it in.
610413;1396998906;fluffypony;on that HIGH note, it's bed time here, well as close to bed time as 1:15am is when the wife is fast asleep next to you
610414;1396998908;fluffypony;cheers all
610415;1396998914;mircea_popescu;later.
610416;1396998920;Naphex;imo, definitely a planted bug.
610417;1396998928;mircea_popescu;no question about it.
610418;1396998941;*;bounce hasn't checked the repo, if any. probably should.
610419;1396998945;mircea_popescu;question is who were the idiots and who were the patsies.
610420;1396998953;asciilifeform;still trying to discern how they got it in << this is by far the least surprising part. next, what, ask how the roaches got in the kitchen?
610421;1396998955;Naphex;i got screwed cause i had to compile from source to get ECDH.
610422;1396998957;mircea_popescu;bounce maybe you're the last guy on the internet that hasn't made copies.
610423;1396998960;bounce;there was also that = vs == in a linux syscall a while back
610424;1396998974;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. i'm exactly that sorta guy.
610425;1396999010;Naphex;so you go compile from source to get ECDH, to avoid stupid encryption restrictions
610426;1396999024;Naphex;then you get sniffed for all you have
610427;1396999035;Naphex;i'm guessing that was the logic behind it
610428;1396999057;bounce;probably not, but last in this channel, possibly
610429;1396999099;mircea_popescu;anyway, this suddenly makes tor significantly more useful. at least for a few weeks.
610430;1396999139;Naphex;until 12.00 GMT+2 mostly everything was vulnerable, and as the sploit went public everyone started sniffing everything.
610431;1396999142;Naphex;atleast that went right.
610432;1396999185;bounce;when did they move to git from cvs?
610433;1396999191;mircea_popescu;2012 ?
610434;1396999194;mircea_popescu;whoa.
610435;1396999205;mircea_popescu;actually... they moved just with 1.0.1 didn't they ?
610436;1396999231;asciilifeform;herr mole couldn't be bothered to learn cvs.
610437;1396999254;asciilifeform;so, to be kind to him, git, which he was accustomed to.
610438;1396999259;mircea_popescu;this is fucking it is it ?!
610439;1396999266;mircea_popescu;holy cow no way.
610440;1396999294;bounce;apparently 2012-12-30 last cvs entries says timeline
610441;1396999303;mircea_popescu;this is promising. ty chan, and let it become part of the permanent record : more has been ruined by convenience than by any other sin.
610442;1396999336;asciilifeform;like germans who carried captured russian 'limonka' grenades by their rings.
610443;1396999348;asciilifeform;(german grenade had a convenient, almost identical ring that wasn't attached to the pin)
610444;1396999366;asciilifeform;very convenient.
610445;1396999373;Naphex;https://web.archive.org/web/20130202155024/http://www.openssl.org/source/repos.html - move to git
610446;1396999374;ozbot;OpenSSL: Source, Repository
610447;1396999401;Naphex;https://web.archive.org/web/20130102200332/http://www.openssl.org/source/repos.html - still cvs
610448;1396999402;mircea_popescu;talk about a product that owns its market. the french f1
610449;1396999402;ozbot;OpenSSL: Source, Repository
610450;1396999528;mircea_popescu;well this has been quite the day hasn't it.
610451;1396999549;bounce;bug introduced in 201112 says heartbleed.com, so in cvs
610452;1396999647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00099727 = 14.261 BTC [-]
610453;1396999653;mircea_popescu;bounce they may not be exactly right. this will take a lot of work.
610454;1396999664;Naphex;http://cvs.openssl.org/timeline?d=30&e=2012-03-14&c=2&px=&s=1&dt=1&x=1&m=1&w=0 - Timeline
610455;1396999667;ozbot;OpenSSL: CVS Web Interface
610456;1396999667;Naphex;for the bug
610457;1396999683;Naphex;the checkins for 14 Marhc
610458;1396999685;Naphex;march even
610459;1396999786;Naphex;http://cvs.openssl.org/chngview?cn=22271 - and this is the changeview
610460;1396999787;ozbot;OpenSSL: CVS Web Interface
610461;1396999808;bounce;I got http://cvs.openssl.org/chngview?cn=21898
610462;1396999816;Naphex;pretty sneaky boundary check bug ;o
610463;1396999938;bounce;that code looks familiar when comparing the attached patch to http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-security/2014-April/007405.html
610464;1397000013;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05499195 = 0.22 BTC [+]
610465;1397000092;bounce;the guy's an academic with a bunch of publications and two rfcs to his name. time to send in some tin foil hats to check all that, too.
610466;1397000132;Naphex;who, steve?:)
610467;1397000562;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 19 @ 0.01015789 = 0.193 BTC [-] {4} 
610468;1397000806;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0075 = 0.2625 BTC [+]
610469;1397001016;dexX7;http://i.imgur.com/5PHeaHu.png << this is what a vulnerable webwallet returns
610470;1397002746;mircea_popescu;dexX7 ouch.
610471;1397003501;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "To understand this by repeating this, only 20 members have posted on the Big Rock Candy Foundation 's forum in the last six months."
610472;1397003533;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many of them were me.
610473;1397003917;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6 = 3.6 BTC [+]
610474;1397003918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00579955 = 0.348 BTC [+] {4} 
610475;1397004588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1214 @ 0.00012673 = 0.1539 BTC [-] {2} 
610476;1397005808;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+]
610477;1397008065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 572 @ 0.00080963 = 0.4631 BTC [-] {2} 
610478;1397008187;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0477 = 0.2862 BTC [-] {2} 
610479;1397008370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05498993 = 0.22 BTC [+]
610480;1397008614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23981 @ 0.00099374 = 23.8309 BTC [-] {2} 
610481;1397009041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04771249 = 0.3817 BTC [-] {3} 
610482;1397009103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03372473 = 0.4047 BTC [+] {6} 
610483;1397009847;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu I suspect they must have a seekrit forum, because You have more socks than that everywhere.
610484;1397010299;thestringpuller;there should be a gpg encrypted bitcoin illuminati forum
610485;1397010305;thestringpuller;only the cool kids are allowed to read and post
610486;1397010380;decimation;"This issue did not affect the versions of openssl as shipped with Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.4 and earlier. This issue does affect Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.5, Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization Hypervisor 6.5, and Red Hat Storage 2.1, which provided openssl 1.0.1e."
610487;1397010487;decimation;woe to those who upgrade
610488;1397010582;thestringpuller;$depth mpoe
610489;1397010583;mpexbot;thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['200 @ 0.00097812', '1000 @ 0.00096001', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '450 @ 0.00082', '4000 @ 0.0008101']
610490;1397010584;mpexbot;thestringpuller: Asks: ['8926 @ 0.00098989', '3450 @ 0.00099914', '22218 @ 0.0009995', '16000 @ 0.0010045', '161792 @ 0.00101']
610491;1397010596;TestingUnoDosTre;.d
610492;1397010597;ozbot;6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1481 blocks | Estimated Change: 1.4776% in 10d 2h 58m 7s
610493;1397010672;zacm;The SEC has become “an agency that polices the broken windows on the street level and rarely goes to the penthouse floors,� Kidney said, according to a copy of his remarks obtained by Bloomberg News.
610494;1397010682;zacm;Kidney said his superiors were more focused on getting high-paying jobs after their government service than on bringing difficult cases. The agency’s penalties, Kidney said, have become “at most a tollbooth on the bankster turnpike.�
610495;1397010688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00097812 = 0.1956 BTC [-]
610496;1397010695;zacm;http://bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-08/sec-goldman-lawyer-says-agency-too-timid-on-wall-street-misdeeds.html
610497;1397010696;ozbot;SEC Goldman Lawyer Says Agency Too Timid on Wall Street Misdeeds - Bloomberg
610498;1397010714;zacm;ra, ra, there's your "regulation"
610499;1397010716;decimation;This is what happens when the USG pays peanuts for 'talent'
610500;1397010716;TestingUnoDosTre;wow
610501;1397010745;TestingUnoDosTre;easy explanation deicimation
610502;1397010791;decimation;if you could double your income or better, which side of the fence would you play?
610503;1397010824;TestingUnoDosTre;never getting a job at the SEC
610504;1397010827;nubbins`;i knew a guy named kidney
610505;1397010832;nubbins`;his wife was a kidney specialist
610506;1397010833;nubbins`;no joke
610507;1397010896;decimation;the other problem the SEC has is that thier lawyers are at best 'C' league compared to Goldman's army
610508;1397011359;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.58145351 = 9.8847 BTC [-] {6} 
610509;1397011420;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58 = 1.74 BTC [-] {2} 
610510;1397011653;zacm;what?! Don't Ivy League graduates at the top of their class look forward to that nice, lucrative SEC position?
610511;1397011654;zacm;lol
610512;1397011688;TestingUnoDosTre;Thats the thing, they would never go to the SEC in the first place
610513;1397011855;zacm;better off having the dumber ones there anyway
610514;1397011877;decimation;and that explains the workings of the USG
610515;1397011914;zacm;more intelligent doesn't imply more benevolent
610516;1397011961;TestingUnoDosTre;It's not like the USG can afford, or even needs to pay a high salary
610517;1397011981;decimation;more intelligent implies more competent
610518;1397011985;TestingUnoDosTre;think of positions like Senator , which makes like $175k or something.
610519;1397011994;TestingUnoDosTre;There are MANY other perks
610520;1397012045;zacm;competent to follow the incentives, like getting through the revolving door to a higher paying job, making deals along the way to do so
610521;1397012149;TestingUnoDosTre;ok I acn't argue with that
610522;1397012181;decimation;even ants follow incentives
610523;1397012658;thestringpuller;!last m s.mpoe
610524;1397012658;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00097812 BTC [-]
610525;1397013860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0058 = 0.174 BTC [+]
610526;1397013908;benkay;http://end-o.tumblr.com/post/80913546146
610527;1397013908;ozbot;STEALTH
610528;1397013925;benkay;or: http://wehadnoidea.tumblr.com/post/80908326562
610529;1397013956;asciilifeform;wtf is that
610530;1397013995;punkman;how do you even do that
610531;1397014197;benkay;amazing cops
610532;1397014197;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
610533;1397014287;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05499195 = 0.5499 BTC [+]
610534;1397014334;BingoBoingo;So... what Open source alternatives are there to OpenSSL which aren't as much of a bitch to read?
610535;1397014360;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it's a bigger issue than one particular C turd
610536;1397014375;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Of course.
610537;1397014391;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: just about anything that involves a book-length standard, esp. with the familiar committees, is an inevitable turd.
610538;1397014418;BingoBoingo;How is clisp's webserver on the SSL stuff
610539;1397014447;asciilifeform;clisp as in 'common lisp' or the particular implementation thereof called 'clisp' ?
610540;1397014451;asciilifeform;they're rather different things
610541;1397014470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01499918 = 0.15 BTC [-] {2} 
610542;1397014505;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The particular implementation
610543;1397014510;asciilifeform;never used it.
610544;1397014526;BingoBoingo;Ah, I have yet to play with SBCL
610545;1397014544;asciilifeform;'clisp' is mostly used by people running 'exotica' (machines for which there is no 'sbcl')
610546;1397014580;asciilifeform;it is dog-slow - exactly what unfortunates who went to uni for 'comp sci' expect a lisp to be like.
610547;1397014584;BingoBoingo;I see. It's also the implementation "Land of Lisp" supposes for most of its exercises
610548;1397014633;asciilifeform;most web crap in common lisp uses 'CL+SSL', an FFI wrapper of traditional openssl.
610549;1397014640;asciilifeform;so they're as hosed as everyone
610550;1397014695;BingoBoingo;Ah
610551;1397014797;BingoBoingo;Seems the hardware aspects of Loper are only the beginnings of the mess
610552;1397014835;asciilifeform;people have this very special facial expression they make when they finally understand what i've been arguing for
610553;1397014874;asciilifeform;(tldr - pretend the last 40 years, other than semiconductor chemistry, never happened)
610554;1397015004;BingoBoingo;But they happened because it is easy to "circle the wagons around the cesspool buying time to fish out another turd for sale"
610555;1397015080;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00579999 = 0.116 BTC [-]
610556;1397015521;BingoBoingo;The state of the art from 1980 on 2004 semiconductors would be a hell of a thing to behold
610557;1397016279;ThickAsThieves;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XxB03SfGbU
610558;1397016280;ozbot;Mike Hearn on Coming Bitcoin Protocol Updates - YouTube
610559;1397016292;ThickAsThieves;" Jered Kenna interviewed Bitcoin core developer Mike Hearn about BitcoinJ, the Tor network, and what developments are coming to the Bitcoin protocol. Mike explains why BitcoinJ will be using the Tor network for greater privacy and security."
610560;1397016318;ThickAsThieves;pass everything through NSA plz!
610561;1397016348;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: And this is why I've never upgraded Multibit beyond version 0.5.11
610562;1397016350;asciilifeform;they should just build a surrender pit for idiots to jump in.
610563;1397016361;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.054999 = 0.22 BTC [+]
610564;1397016383;asciilifeform;where they get reprocessed into biodiesel.
610565;1397016424;ThickAsThieves;i was speaking with a former military tech at the bar a few weeks ago and he was giving me a shit-eating grin about NSA/Tor
610566;1397016448;BingoBoingo;Sometime you can judge a book by its publisher
610567;1397016467;ThickAsThieves;he seemed pretty proud of the notion that most nodes were USG
610568;1397016470;asciilifeform;wait for... the new, seekuur!1! replacement for tor.
610569;1397016484;asciilifeform;youheardithere1st (tm)
610570;1397016508;ThickAsThieves;now he works repo for a bank
610571;1397016523;ThickAsThieves;telling me how they use pizza delivery data to catch people live n shit
610572;1397016529;BingoBoingo;I've always assumed actuall turrorists would run their own mini-Tors on botnets they control
610573;1397016584;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: you can repossess a pizza !?
610574;1397016588;ThickAsThieves;lol
610575;1397016592;ThickAsThieves;no
610576;1397016605;ThickAsThieves;i forget his method
610577;1397016609;ThickAsThieves;just creepy shit
610578;1397016621;ThickAsThieves;most creepy was his pride
610579;1397016640;ThickAsThieves;said stuff like "you dont use tor unless youre doing something illegal"
610580;1397016784;Duffer1;why won't you let me cavity search you if you're not doing anything illegal
610581;1397016808;thestringpuller;lol Duffer1
610582;1397016923;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: Maybe when multiple times a day cavity searching gets normalized, some of the searchers will send the search with notes reading things like " Cavity searched earlier, sphincter torn, proceed with caution"
610583;1397017203;BingoBoingo;The implications of this are probably the most interesting of anything Coindesk has ever posted on which falls into their shere of having an influence on http://www.coindesk.com/charlie-lee-proposes-merged-mining-litecoin-dogecoin/
610584;1397017252;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: Is x-bt not heartbleeding?
610585;1397017285;BingoBoingo;http://www.coindesk.com/charlie-lee-proposes-merged-mining-litecoin-dogecoin/
610586;1397017426;BingoBoingo;OH SHIT ULTIMATE WARRIOR IS DEAD
610587;1397017434;asciilifeform;...he was giving me a shit-eating grin about NSA... most creepy was his pride << orwell had a pretty good piece on this
610588;1397017439;asciilifeform;http://orwell.ru/library/reviews/chase/english/e_bland
610589;1397017440;ozbot;George Orwell: Raffles and Miss Blandish
610590;1397017444;BingoBoingo;http://www.wwe.com/inside/ultimate-warrior-passes-away-26223975
610591;1397017444;ozbot;Ultimate Warrior passes away | WWE.com
610592;1397017487;asciilifeform;'Perhaps the basic myth of the Western world is Jack the Giant-killer, but to be brought up to date this should be renamed Jack the Dwarf-killer...'
610593;1397017510;mod6;< BingoBoingo> Sometime you can judge a book by its publisher << +1
610594;1397017559;bitcoinpete;;;later tell mircea_popescu i'm not sure if you recognized fluffypony from a few hours ago but that's the same handle as the forum dood you pwned in "Why finance shouldn't be open to your average Schmoe." I recognized the name because i linked to that piece earlier today after someone tweeted about some BTCJam "hack." One fluffypony asked for coins for his kitchen, one for his rig frames…
610595;1397017559;gribble;The operation succeeded.
610596;1397017596;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Wait, there's a Trilema about that maybe
610597;1397017602;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Find it.
610598;1397017615;bitcoinpete;http://t.co/eLQt5VxLxQ
610599;1397017615;ozbot;Why finance shouldn’t be open to your average Schmoe pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
610600;1397017622;bitcoinpete;?
610601;1397017629;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: And as you do that say a lament to Ultimate Warrior's passing
610602;1397017662;BingoBoingo;Ah, fucking freenode fixing their SSL...
610603;1397017669;BingoBoingo;Slow all day
610604;1397017702;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo ripwweuw
610605;1397017719;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Is that the Hashtag?
610606;1397017735;bitcoinpete;it is now
610607;1397017744;bitcoinpete;policy on many a topic are set here
610608;1397017755;bitcoinpete;not necessarily by me, however
610609;1397017905;BingoBoingo;http://deadspin.com/to-carry-on-what-another-poster-had-originally-started-1561168122
610610;1397017905;ozbot;Jim Hellwig, Known As The Ultimate Warrior, Reportedly Dead
610611;1397018014;BingoBoingo;I can only assume the NSOMGWTFBBQ offed him to distract from BleedHeart
610612;1397018129;bitcoinpete;that charlie lee dood is turning out to be a more fucktarded shill than i originally gave him credit for
610613;1397018169;bitcoinpete;and how is doge still even around? first teh nascar, now this merged-mining noise
610614;1397018235;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Well, this is Litecoin proposing Doge merged mine and Doge telling litecoin stfu
610615;1397018294;BingoBoingo;Much as in the past Tenebrix or Fairbrix or shitbrix told Litecoin to stfu
610616;1397018331;BingoBoingo;This thing is remarkable in how much of a non-story it is... Even for Coindesk
610617;1397018391;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: coindesk is the morning paper for navel-gazers, this is the morning paper for star-gazers
610618;1397018394;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/the-new-morning-paper/
610619;1397018400;ozbot;The New Morning Paper | When Bitcoin Met Pete
610620;1397018415;BingoBoingo;Doge miners largely would prolly be cool with merged mining but lack the initiative to hardfork to do it in defiance of their masters. Litecoin minzors ave been screaming hardfork for some time.
610621;1397018450;bitcoinpete;any idea why litecoin miners wanna fork? first i've heard of it
610622;1397018459;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: That is why it is remarkable CoinDesk had the editorial insight to bring this up.
610623;1397018497;BingoBoingo;Litecoin miners want all asics to die. The want to only mine when not playing starcraft and mining wow gold.
610624;1397018531;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not quite. ltc is the botnet aficionado's coin.
610625;1397018538;asciilifeform;at least, traditionally
610626;1397018540;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It is now.
610627;1397018588;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: thx for the candy mountain link btw :)0
610628;1397018610;BingoBoingo;For some time before it was GamerPC coin it was secret GPU mined coin
610629;1397018619;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Welcome.
610630;1397018637;BingoBoingo;Much as for some time Bitcoin GPU mining was an NVIDIA thing
610631;1397018646;BingoBoingo;(three weeks?)
610632;1397019474;BingoBoingo;Oh, bitcoinpete: http://trilema.com/2012/big-rock-candy-mountain/
610633;1397019569;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: ah ty.
610634;1397019586;BingoBoingo;Those are the original lyrics
610635;1397019601;BingoBoingo;But original since 100+ years ago
610636;1397019769;bitcoinpete;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqowmHgxVJQ
610637;1397019770;ozbot;The Big Rock Candy Mountain - YouTube
610638;1397019910;BingoBoingo;Does anyone else want to see MP do youth outreach or substitute teaching in East St Louis after http://trilema.com/2014/gotta-love-that-negro-speak/
610639;1397019943;bitcoinpete;youf ootreech
610640;1397019977;BingoBoingo;Would make a great reality show
610641;1397020016;bitcoinpete;if his teachings of romanians about land is any indication, i think it'd be a hit
610642;1397020044;bitcoinpete;found this yesterday: http://vimeo.com/7125141
610643;1397020201;BingoBoingo;http://ghettohikes.tumblr.com/post/15738319521/mr-cody-lemme-borrow-them-monoculars-i-think-i-see
610644;1397020202;ozbot;Ghetto Hikes | "Mr. Cody, lemme borrow them monoculars, I think I see a pack of bald eagles."
610645;1397020218;BingoBoingo;I've actually had one of those assholes shit on my car
610646;1397020732;bitcoinpete;"one of those?"
610647;1397020756;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Eagle.
610648;1397020802;bitcoinpete;i was hoping one of the urban kids (of all races)
610649;1397020842;BingoBoingo;Driving IL-13 by the Big muddy river and softball sized glob of the worst smelling birdshit I had smelled in my life landed on the Windshield
610650;1397020998;BingoBoingo;Nearest Carwash was in Pickneyville.
610651;1397021254;BingoBoingo;Eagles are basically fucking sky rats
610652;1397021402;Mats_cd03;id shit on your windshield
610653;1397021405;bitcoinpete;I can't stop loling at "deshawns ingredients bag" http://ghettohikes.tumblr.com/post/17274822057/imma-sneak-one-dem-tadpoles-in-deshawns-ingredients
610654;1397021469;BingoBoingo;Mats_cd03: You wouldn't be the first land bound critter to either
610655;1397021536;Mats_cd03;i havent touched land in five years
610656;1397021558;Mats_cd03;i move around exclusively on the back of slaves and in rickshaws
610657;1397021585;bitcoinpete;mats-haraja
610658;1397021604;Mats_cd03;the dongraja
610659;1397021668;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.055 = 0.22 BTC [+]
610660;1397021743;Mats_cd03;https://github.com/isislab/Fentanyl useful
610661;1397021768;Mats_cd03;(IDApython patching script)
610662;1397021805;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: neato.
610663;1397021850;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: things such as these are a good part of my day job.
610664;1397021864;Mats_cd03;it improves my workflow substantially
610665;1397021908;Mats_cd03;send a bitcoin tip to the maintainer if its useful in the future
610666;1397021971;Mats_cd03;(on that subject, is there a github tipbot like there is one for reddit?)
610667;1397022048;Mats_cd03;https://github.com/WhisperSystems/BitHub
610668;1397022064;Mats_cd03;lol 25.89USD
610669;1397022563;Mats_cd03;fentanyl has saved me hours of work already; patching by hand is tricky, and doubly so on archs i'm unfamiliar with
610670;1397023274;tg2;anybody have compiler expertise?
610671;1397023292;tg2;like strong understanding of assembly
610672;1397023313;fluffypony;bitcoinpete: wow
610673;1397023321;fluffypony;bitcoinpete: I didn't even know I was the subject of a blog post
610674;1397023322;fluffypony;TIL
610675;1397023347;bitcoinpete;fluffypony: haha you're internet famous
610676;1397023350;fluffypony;yeah!
610677;1397023360;fluffypony;I ended up closing that thread when it was clear it was going nowhere
610678;1397023366;fluffypony;it seemed like a good idea at the time
610679;1397023382;fluffypony;but that was ages ago - we ended up making the changes anyway using our access bond
610680;1397023397;fluffypony;and sold that property 6 months ago when we moved down the coast
610681;1397023470;bitcoinpete;there you go
610682;1397023495;fluffypony;also the loan was Dollar-linked, I would never have asked for a BTC loan repayable in the equivalent BTC
610683;1397023502;fluffypony;that would've been ludicruous
610684;1397023508;fluffypony;spelling fail
610685;1397023518;fluffypony;s/ludicruous/ludicrous
610686;1397023526;bitcoinpete;hey i had a friend who wanted to borrow and repay in btc
610687;1397023528;bitcoinpete;totally nuts
610688;1397023530;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/
610689;1397023538;fluffypony;that is crazy
610690;1397023541;ozbot;Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | When Bitcoin Met Pete
610691;1397023568;fluffypony;also I'm in South Africa - the comparisons with the US are nuts, getting a loan here is a vastly different story and at a vastly different interest rate
610692;1397023589;bitcoinpete;how so?
610693;1397023603;bitcoinpete;stricter banks?
610694;1397023608;fluffypony;yeah
610695;1397023619;fluffypony;there were laws passed due to irresponsible lending
610696;1397023624;fluffypony;then they tightened EVERYTHING
610697;1397023631;fluffypony;now they've just been nailed again for irresponsible lending
610698;1397023653;bitcoinpete;the commonwealth countries are a bit tighter it seems
610699;1397023677;fluffypony;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191687.msg1988021#msg1988021
610700;1397023679;ozbot;BTCJam Loan (Home Improvement) - 200 BTC Principle, Re-payable over 6 Months
610701;1397023688;fluffypony;I mention some of the calculaitons
610702;1397023691;bitcoinpete;gotta keep things stable-ish so they can haul natural resources out consistently
610703;1397023700;fluffypony;if we'd gotten a loan
610704;1397023716;fluffypony;the only thing I got wrong in that thread was the interest rate of drawing it out the access bona
610705;1397023718;fluffypony;*bond
610706;1397023746;fluffypony;on that property it was bad, but on one of my other properties that is nearly paid off and just being "topped up" the impact wasn't bad at all
610707;1397023772;bitcoinpete;a full year ago… how long it's been
610708;1397023834;fluffypony;yeah I know
610709;1397023852;Mats_cd03;what a dangerous hedge, wouldn't you say, in hindsight?
610710;1397024077;fluffypony;Mats_cd03: well yes and no
610711;1397024093;fluffypony;as a dollar-linked loan I would have come out better than borrowing from a financial institution
610712;1397024102;fluffypony;the lenders would've come out worse because BTC skyrocketed
610713;1397024102;bitcoinpete;waddyaknow, that guy on twitter who lost his coins on btcjam today because of the openssl "hack" has the coins "restored from their own pockets." https://twitter.com/Vtechp/status/453756698587435008
610714;1397024126;bitcoinpete;s/has/had
610715;1397024160;artifexd;bitcoinpete I'm glad to see you moved the nickserv stuff out of the footnotes and into the post proper in your wot post.
610716;1397024180;bitcoinpete;artifexd: yup, thx for the tip ;)
610717;1397024287;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Prolly best to not refer to my GPG guide as a COMPLETE Wot thing until I finish my IRC guide, which should happen in the next two days
610718;1397024516;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: the weather's too nice for me to change it and change it back in 48 hours :D
610719;1397024553;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Well on my end it depends on weather as well
610720;1397024715;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo ok so i found two examples of my calling it "handy," where do you see "complete?"
610721;1397024751;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Not on ur blog so much as at times in IRC it seems that complete is occasionally implied
610722;1397024777;bitcoinpete;a ok
610723;1397024796;fluffypony;ok right, breakfast time, bbiab
610724;1397024862;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Left to cover is IRC capable software, useful feature, unfeatures to delete, tec
610725;1397024876;BingoBoingo;Or techcetera
610726;1397024908;bitcoinpete;looking forward to that
610727;1397025697;BingoBoingo;http://www.thesitewizard.com/archive/google.shtml
610728;1397025697;ozbot;thesitewizard.com: Tips on Improving Your Google Search Engine Ranking (Revisited)
610729;1397025705;BingoBoingo;Sounds about right
610730;1397026644;cazalla;bitcoinpete: you make me feel less stupid regarding the pronunciation of MP's name
610731;1397026767;bitcoinpete;cazalla: lol glad to be of assistance. having romanian friends is a useful window into that world.
610732;1397026790;cazalla;oh i knew before your article, glad to know i wasn't the only one
610733;1397026850;bitcoinpete;it's not intuitive for anglos, even francos or españos
610734;1397026980;cazalla;i think i said before but you were not on irc - i enjoy your writing, it's an easier read for me compared to trilema, that's not a dig though more a reflection of me dropping out of high school
610735;1397027069;bitcoinpete;cazalla: well tyvm, i very much appreciate that :D
610736;1397027126;bitcoinpete;trilema hurt my head on-and-off for nearly a year. then it hit me like a shit-ton of bricks
610737;1397027179;bitcoinpete;glad to see wbmp finding a few early fans
610738;1397027219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00558001 = 0.2065 BTC [-] {2} 
610739;1397027277;cazalla;yeah, i typically google the definition of a few words, i can usually put it together but some of the writing on trilema just goes over my head
610740;1397027301;cazalla;still, learning without feeling like it's an effort is a good thing for me
610741;1397027329;BingoBoingo;At least Trilema isn't Kant
610742;1397027414;Mats_cd03;fluffypony: so you had a btc float equivalent to the size of the loan?
610743;1397027460;Mats_cd03;(that is, twice the size of the loan)
610744;1397027581;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: i still need to get to kant. on burke, goethe, machiavelli and beaudelaire now
610745;1397027629;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Start with Machiavelli and then Goethe
610746;1397027630;Mats_cd03;nvm i didnt read the entire thread
610747;1397027688;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: just finished the prince 1.5 times through, read of few of goethe's literary essays but that's about it
610748;1397027723;BingoBoingo;Well there are the discourses on Titus Levy
610749;1397027768;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.054999 = 0.165 BTC [-]
610750;1397027838;bitcoinpete;art of war too, i suppose
610751;1397027938;bitcoinpete;time for bed, another day of reading logs and other delights tomorrow
610752;1397028619;BingoBoingo;http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6163197/hero-turtle-rescues-upside-down-turtle
610753;1397028619;ozbot;Hero Turtle Rescues Upside-Down Turtle - CollegeHumor Video
610754;1397028685;BingoBoingo;http://xkcd.com/1353/
610755;1397028685;ozbot;xkcd: Heartbleed
610756;1397029725;BingoBoingo;I wonder how many of these connects/disconnects are attempts at heartbleed probing
610757;1397029759;Diablo-D3;I think hes just fucking with his irc client
610758;1397029797;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: Well, it has been different people
610759;1397029834;BingoBoingo;I'm just loving this delicious Rye on Rye
610760;1397030269;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1260 @ 0.00014999 = 0.189 BTC [+]
610761;1397030574;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59999999 BTC [+]
610762;1397030763;BingoBoingo;Rye bread chips dipped in Rye Beer > Delicious
610763;1397031779;keonne;benkay: i dont run blockchain.info but I do work there
610764;1397031806;keonne;truffles: drinking coffee is the least bad thing I do, anyway prove that it is bad for me.
610765;1397031853;keonne;thestringpuller: i literally just registered in WOT trying to avoid mircea calling me stupid noob :P
610766;1397031868;jurov;keonne: not a good idea to ask proofs from these paleo zealots
610767;1397031916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20239 @ 0.00096724 = 19.576 BTC [-]
610768;1397031994;BingoBoingo;keonne: jurov: So many cavemen
610769;1397032042;keonne;it was a rhetorical request anyhow
610770;1397032067;keonne;going to smoke and get some coffee. somewhere truffles is crying for my soul .
610771;1397032080;BingoBoingo;Smoking kicks ass
610772;1397032085;keonne;agreed
610773;1397032104;keonne;Makes you look cool as well
610774;1397032109;keonne;which is extra important for a nerd like me
610775;1397032124;BingoBoingo;Smoking while drinking coffee with Irish cream is the best.
610776;1397032175;keonne;mircea_popescu: I didnt realize there was a correlation between dyslexics and esperanto. Maybe something about the rigid structure that appeals. IDK, thats cool though.
610777;1397032191;keonne;Nothing like fucking a fat chick while blasting Joy Division anyway
610778;1397032216;keonne;(sorry im responding to yesterdays messages, in case you all think ive gone slightly mad)
610779;1397032221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.58000004 = 5.8 BTC [-] {4} 
610780;1397032312;BingoBoingo;keonne: No, this is how IRC works ideally. You answer Yesterday's messages as you find them. IRC may not seem very asynchronous, but it is
610781;1397032314;jurov;nah, happens to sane people too
610782;1397032347;BingoBoingo;I kind of wonder if Esperanto really has any advantages over... I dunno Spanish
610783;1397032465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68500 @ 0.00096724 = 66.2559 BTC [-]
610784;1397032502;keonne;BingoBoingo: There are no advantages to learning Esperanto
610785;1397032525;keonne;however, some studies have been done, that suggest, those who learn esperanto first find it easier to learn other languages later
610786;1397032572;BingoBoingo;Studies show lots of things
610787;1397032578;keonne;indeed
610788;1397032597;BingoBoingo;Anyone know a good way to crush a boil real fast?
610789;1397032597;keonne;I learned it because the idea of a constructed language intrigued me
610790;1397032613;keonne;I don't think you're supposed to crush boils
610791;1397032625;BingoBoingo;keonne: Crush as in defeat.
610792;1397032629;keonne;oh okay
610793;1397032652;keonne;no idea, salicylic acid maybe?
610794;1397032690;BingoBoingo;Too deep, Naproxen generally handles the inflamation on this one. but for a few years this has been a perenial seasonal annoyance.
610795;1397032759;keonne;mirecea_popescu: I don't know the details precisely, If you want I can ask someone for you. I'm not in a very technical position, and my understanding of these things doesn't go very deep
610796;1397032787;jurov;keonee you can learn elvish then, too :)
610797;1397032791;BingoBoingo;keonne: Do you use a blockchain.info wallet yourself?
610798;1397032792;jurov;Elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo
610799;1397032805;numerisTrade;BingoBoingo: i might be albe to help, if you explain to me what do you mean by 'boil'
610800;1397032882;BingoBoingo;numerisTrade: Recurring abscess with sinus in a thick fatty piece of skin
610801;1397032971;BingoBoingo;jurov: Drunk machine translations fail me in this case
610802;1397033013;numerisTrade;BingoBoingo: more simple english, please?
610803;1397033034;jurov;lol BingoBoingo... add tolkien - silmarillion to your queries
610804;1397033047;BingoBoingo;numerisTrade: Can't get much more simple without losing precision
610805;1397033065;numerisTrade;ok, give me a while, then
610806;1397033069;BingoBoingo;jurov: I enjoy pussy too much to consider adding those terms
610807;1397033105;jurov;BingoBoingo: applying heated kitchen salt in linen bag *may* help
610808;1397033111;BingoBoingo;Ah
610809;1397033120;jurov;ofc not too close if it's very hot :)
610810;1397033144;BingoBoingo;I'm leaning kinda more towards complete excision.
610811;1397033176;BingoBoingo;Less saline more solution and more sowing the fields with salt
610812;1397033280;numerisTrade;BingoBoingo: probably only surgical drain will help
610813;1397033332;jurov;yes if it's developed... otherwise antibiotic ointment.. but better ask doctor in any case
610814;1397033388;keonne;BingoBoingo: I do
610815;1397033403;mircea_popescu;hey all
610816;1397033407;keonne;hello mircea_popescu
610817;1397033411;BingoBoingo;keonne: Have you considered alternatives
610818;1397033426;numerisTrade;hey mircea_popescu
610819;1397033435;keonne;BingoBoingo: I keep my spending BTC in blockchain wallet, the rest is on a paper wallet printed at home with a piper wallet
610820;1397033446;BingoBoingo;keonne: You know historically why retirement funds were separated from their sponsoring companies, right?
610821;1397033446;keonne;I use blockchain.info wallet to just keep track of the paper wallets
610822;1397033469;keonne;BingoBoingo: I see no reason not to use blockchain.info for day to day spending
610823;1397033479;keonne;wait
610824;1397033482;keonne;that sentence sucked
610825;1397033493;keonne;but you get the gist
610826;1397033498;BingoBoingo;keonne: Well local software wallets can handle day to day spending without much syncing burden
610827;1397033502;keonne;i'm open to alternative suggestions
610828;1397033515;keonne;BingoBoingo: on my android phone?
610829;1397033515;BingoBoingo;Multibit 0.5.11, but no later
610830;1397033530;BingoBoingo;keonne: Root it?
610831;1397033537;keonne;it is rooted
610832;1397033550;numerisTrade;what about Electrum?
610833;1397033571;BingoBoingo;numerisTrade: Also not a bad choice
610834;1397033579;keonne;most of my day to day spending is done in actual shops, so having my spending wallet mobile is pretty important to me
610835;1397033607;mircea_popescu;also in the news, matonis "definitely not a stooge", as per matonis.
610836;1397033612;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/#comment-98939
610837;1397033613;keonne;besides that I am quite happy keeping my BTC on paper wallet for the time being
610838;1397033613;ozbot;The sins of the group of posers behind the so called “Bitcoin Foundation� pe Trilema - Un blog d
610839;1397033617;keonne;lol mircea_popescu
610840;1397033634;mircea_popescu;keonne they don't make you eat own dogfood at bi-wallet ?
610841;1397033671;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Matonis is stooge in the original sense, where a stooge is incapable of knowing they are.
610842;1397033671;keonne;lol no they do not
610843;1397033682;keonne;BingoBoingo: i dont know about that
610844;1397033686;mircea_popescu;me either.
610845;1397033701;mircea_popescu;much unknowns of many flavours in this swamp we live in
610846;1397033729;mircea_popescu;keonne so how did the correct signature but bad content thing work earlier ?
610847;1397033753;keonne;no one at bc.i has ever asked what wallet I use. Tehy ask for an address at the end of the month to send me money, and thats all
610848;1397033777;mircea_popescu;you mean btc. which as we've meanwhile established, isn't money :D
610849;1397033783;keonne;mircea_popescu: regarding the database thing a couple weeks ago?
610850;1397033786;keonne;right of course
610851;1397033788;mircea_popescu;yes.
610852;1397033790;keonne;unless mr texas gets his way
610853;1397033804;mircea_popescu;it got a few people, myself included, raising eyebrows
610854;1397033824;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete apparently http://trilema.com/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/#comment-98938
610855;1397033824;gribble;The operation succeeded.
610856;1397033866;keonne;honestly mircea_popescu i have no idea, like i said I am not very technical, and those who are weren't very communicative with us about what actually happened
610857;1397033873;keonne;i know there is an internal review going on
610858;1397033950;keonne;afaik no funds were lost EXCEPT on sharedcoin
610859;1397033956;keonne;and we repaid all those
610860;1397033979;keonne;I wish I could be of more use
610861;1397034009;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I can't stahp reading your negro speak article
610862;1397034013;keonne;lol these reddit comments
610863;1397034014;keonne;"No this blogger is known for being a bigot psychopath
610864;1397034016;keonne;"
610865;1397034083;mircea_popescu;keonne point is : if block signatures and block contents aren't checked against each other, your design is incredibly weak.
610866;1397034109;mircea_popescu;dja understand what i mean ? it's not just some random attack, it's any and all attacks this creates undue vulenrability to.
610867;1397034119;BingoBoingo;^^
610868;1397034137;mircea_popescu;so talk to whoever's in charge of doing these things there, and have him give you something that's both a) a good answer and b) that they can make public.
610869;1397034143;keonne;yes that does sound concerning
610870;1397034144;mircea_popescu;because this isn't something one shrugs off
610871;1397034183;BingoBoingo;Is piuk still at Blockchain.info?
610872;1397034187;keonne;yes
610873;1397034204;keonne;mircea_popescu: will do
610874;1397034265;bounce;apropos bank accounts, plenty places it's not a privilege since the government pretty much if not outright requires everyone to receive the bezzle through one of those. easier on the tax man, see.
610875;1397034286;mircea_popescu;bounce who said a bank account is a privilege lol
610876;1397034290;bounce;s/tax /tax/
610877;1397034311;BingoBoingo;bounce: Oh, but the next generation of bezzel includes an alternative
610878;1397034348;bounce;what, debt bondage cards?
610879;1397034384;mircea_popescu;you know, i was kinda rooting for the tramp stamp to become rfid govt id.
610880;1397034400;mircea_popescu;you wanna pay something just buttpress the cashier
610881;1397034402;keonne;BingoBoingo: that article (negro speak) is brilliant
610882;1397034429;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo keonne i must admit tho, it's two hours' work on my part and years on the part of mr cody, the folklorist that collected my base material.
610883;1397034441;keonne;mircea_popescu: rfid tramp stamp, fake japanese characters and all
610884;1397034454;BingoBoingo;bounce: the many flavors of prepaid debit cards are the thought
610885;1397034456;mircea_popescu;well yours can just say "keonne", it's weird enough
610886;1397034459;keonne;yes I saw it when someone posted it in here... punkman maybe
610887;1397034466;fluffypony;keonne: I would stay away from MultiBit if you're non-technical; Electrum is deterministic so you backup your wallet by writing down or memorising 12 words, much easier
610888;1397034471;mircea_popescu;but yeah, the jims and johns of this world will need cuneiform or w/e
610889;1397034484;bounce;peon cards. places like estonia and iceland are pretty close, others are going there with the "unified" gov't id card; matter of time before banking cards move into it. nobody seems to care that the gov't then owns your entire identity yet that much more, either.
610890;1397034489;keonne;fluffypony: im technical enough not to be an idiot
610891;1397034495;keonne;not technical enough to give mircea_popescu an answer
610892;1397034510;mircea_popescu;he's a semi-tractor-technical.
610893;1397034529;keonne;quite, lol
610894;1397034541;fluffypony;keonne: Sure - just pointing it out:) Also, there seems to be an issue with multiple reports of MultiBit generating change addresses but not saving the privkey to the wallet, easy way to lose money
610895;1397034541;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I know an East StL math teacher that lost half a BTC of mine last year. In short time you can learn a new language.
610896;1397034550;mircea_popescu;lol
610897;1397034570;keonne;fluffypony: yeah i read about that, pretty shitty, i don't know that multibit ahs even acknowledged that issue
610898;1397034580;bounce;half-track technical would be more interesting
610899;1397034603;BingoBoingo;keonne fluffypony This is why I specify 0.5.11 or earlier recommending Multibit
610900;1397034606;fluffypony;keonne: Yeah that's the most worrying part. I know that reproducing the issue is hard, but they have a vested interest in figuring it out
610901;1397034613;keonne;BingoBoingo: i assumed as much
610902;1397034617;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: Point
610903;1397034625;mircea_popescu;tbh im kinda surprised teh tradepress isn't howling all about "in january, 'Bitcoin Baron Keeps a Secretive Open Source OS Alive' ; in april, nsa's crown jool is thrown in the dirt of the public space."
610904;1397034642;mircea_popescu;this is why bitcoin will rule all fiat : those people can't even keep up with the obvious conspiraci theories.
610905;1397034665;keonne;mircea_popescu: is this your real name?
610906;1397034669;mircea_popescu;yeah.
610907;1397034687;keonne;It is a common name in Romania?
610908;1397034692;mircea_popescu;well the surname is.
610909;1397034712;BingoBoingo;Firstname is too, the combination isn't too common though
610910;1397034714;mircea_popescu;the first name isn't quite keonne, but it's a sort of hm.
610911;1397034717;mircea_popescu;kinda rare.
610912;1397034721;keonne;When I was 14, I got scammed so hard, trying to buy 100 Motorolla RAZRs from a Mircea Popescu in Romania
610913;1397034728;mircea_popescu;nowai ?
610914;1397034731;keonne;for real
610915;1397034742;mircea_popescu;well that may have not been *his* real name
610916;1397034743;BingoBoingo;Maybe was the artist?
610917;1397034751;mircea_popescu;haha the artist is a kid, like 25 or w/e
610918;1397034757;mircea_popescu;keonne how long ago is being 14 ?
610919;1397034768;keonne;11 years
610920;1397034791;keonne;Maybe I was 15
610921;1397034806;keonne;I dont remember, but the RAZR was the hottest phone on the market
610922;1397034833;keonne;And I sold the phones on to people, before I even had them, ended up in some shit, lol...
610923;1397034834;mircea_popescu;keonne actually, here's a story followed by fun trick :
610924;1397034870;mircea_popescu;romania uses a bacalaureat thing, you're not an adult until you pass this exam,. coupla years ago the romanian ed ministry refused (cause inept) to publish the list of results online. and so some people hacked their db and i published the results.
610925;1397034876;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I assume the artist named you is older than that
610926;1397034886;mircea_popescu;;;google site:trilema.com rezultate la bacalaureat sesiunea
610927;1397034887;gribble;Rezultate la Bacalaureat, sesiunea Iunie 2011, judetul Mures - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/rezultate-la-bacalaureat-sesiunea-iunie-2011-judetul-mures>; Rezultate la Bacalaureat, sesiunea Iunie 2011, judetul Teleorman ...: <http://trilema.com/rezultate-la-bacalaureat-sesiunea-iunie-2011-judetul-teleorman>; Iulie 2011 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: (1 more message)
610928;1397034898;mircea_popescu;so now, theres a list of about 200k kids ?
610929;1397034913;mircea_popescu;anyone feeling like building a db of name frequency in romania can simply wget and grep and awk that.
610930;1397034922;keonne;oh wow cool
610931;1397034930;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: btw I found my blog post today, didn't even realise I was internet famous:) I hope the comment cleared up that I wasn't being entirely retarded at the time!
610932;1397034944;fluffypony;(Found as it was mentioned her last night when I was asleep)
610933;1397034946;fluffypony;Here
610934;1397034948;mircea_popescu;i didn't get to read it yet, because well... i got this endless list of reports to look through yet.
610935;1397034949;keonne;I suck a grep
610936;1397034963;keonne;but I could throw together a quick python script probably
610937;1397034979;fluffypony;Mmmmmm python
610938;1397035001;keonne;Its okay though. I appreciated that possibly fake mircea popescu - he taught me a good lesson
610939;1397035002;fluffypony;Every time I try do anything mildly interesting in python I do it in the least pythonic way possible
610940;1397035004;keonne;at an early age
610941;1397035028;keonne;mostly, not to use western union for anything ever
610942;1397035029;mircea_popescu;haha. how much was a motorola razr in the 2000s ?
610943;1397035038;keonne;I was selling them for 550 USD
610944;1397035050;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo actually, i suspect you're right. there may be two of them, an old sculptor guy and a teeny pictor.
610945;1397035071;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I dunno the youngun
610946;1397035076;keonne;I bought 10 of them from Mr. Popescu for around that price
610947;1397035090;mircea_popescu;http://www.portfolios.ro/popescu
610948;1397035092;ozbot;Mircea Popescu - artist vizual - Timisoara, Romania
610949;1397035098;keonne;well, by bought, i mean sent him money via western union
610950;1397035117;fluffypony;keonne: Ouch
610951;1397035117;keonne;I bet I still have all the emails
610952;1397035119;mircea_popescu;lol what are you, from the btctalk forum ?
610953;1397035138;keonne;lol like i said, a good lesson early on
610954;1397035149;fluffypony;The internet was a different place then, everyone trusted each other with no real basis for it
610955;1397035153;mircea_popescu;indeed.
610956;1397035158;mircea_popescu;fluffypony you're thinking the 90s.
610957;1397035162;mircea_popescu;that's a different time.
610958;1397035183;keonne;the 00's i think were the exact opposite
610959;1397035189;mircea_popescu;pretty much.
610960;1397035194;keonne;it wasnt about me trusting this dude
610961;1397035211;keonne;it was me trusting Western Union, and not understanding WTF i was doing
610962;1397035225;mircea_popescu;ha. sounds exactly by the book.
610963;1397035240;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: Ah I thought this was the 90s
610964;1397035242;keonne;yes, by the book, hope he ate well, compliments of the stupid american
610965;1397035246;fluffypony;Brain fail
610966;1397035271;mircea_popescu;he probably paid some debts, got a coupla girls for a long weekend and that was it.
610967;1397035291;keonne;good
610968;1397035298;mircea_popescu;or maybe he saved it and bought lehman stock.
610969;1397035302;keonne;haha
610970;1397035341;mircea_popescu;i knew a guy like this, was hysterical. had a bookie biz, old skinny guy, megasmoker, huge glasses
610971;1397035350;keonne;yup i still have the emails
610972;1397035356;mircea_popescu;he meticulously avoided mixing "earned" moneys with "bezzled" moneys
610973;1397035365;keonne;yeah it was through alibaba haha
610974;1397035372;mircea_popescu;because he believed the latter is much more likely to "go" to similar "business"
610975;1397035386;mircea_popescu;so whenbever he was putting dough into something dubious he really wanted to succeed, he used the former pile for it.
610976;1397035393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.055 = 0.165 BTC [+]
610977;1397035410;keonne;very smart
610978;1397035416;mircea_popescu;beyond nutty.
610979;1397035420;BingoBoingo;keonne: Actually the opposite
610980;1397035427;keonne;how?
610981;1397035431;keonne;what did I miss
610982;1397035444;mircea_popescu;well perhaps so far gone beyond nutty it wraps back again into smart, who knows.
610983;1397035451;BingoBoingo;keonne: The defintion of want and the definition of bezzle
610984;1397035468;mircea_popescu;keonne for one thing, his entire operation was fully illegal from all povs.
610985;1397035470;mircea_popescu;what "earned".
610986;1397035515;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59999999 = 1.8 BTC [+] {2} 
610987;1397035554;keonne;maybe I just liked him outright because he was a megasmoker
610988;1397035571;keonne;and a bookie
610989;1397035579;bounce;now I can't help but wonder if your (nickserv/on connect) passwords aren't vulnerable even if /you/ don't connect via ssl to freenode. since loaded library, probably.
610990;1397035599;BingoBoingo;keonne: Good bookies are some of the slickest scammzors
610991;1397035624;BingoBoingo;bounce: Last I checked freenode was still up.down dating server by server
610992;1397035625;keonne;BingoBoingo: no doubt
610993;1397035639;fluffypony;bounce: you could possibly only see people identifying on SSL connections if the SSL/non-SSL memory pools don't overlap
610994;1397035660;fluffypony;In testing against nginx I only ever saw https request data
610995;1397035663;fluffypony;Never http requests
610996;1397035672;fluffypony;Apache/lighty may be different
610997;1397035736;keonne;Address:    Gavana 3
610998;1397035737;keonne;City:           Pitesti
610999;1397035737;keonne;Zip Code:    0300
611000;1397035738;keonne;Country:     Romania
611001;1397035748;mircea_popescu;keonne they patched the servers yest ish
611002;1397035755;fluffypony;Send mircea_popescu to break his legs?
611003;1397035757;fluffypony;:-P
611004;1397035760;keonne;lol
611005;1397035785;BingoBoingo;keonne: MP is Timisoara
611006;1397035807;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller: there should be a gpg encrypted bitcoin illuminati forum<<  once this chan goes +m it'll pretty much be it i guess.
611007;1397035820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00096662 = 28.5153 BTC [-] {3} 
611008;1397035824;keonne;lmao
611009;1397035829;fluffypony;lol
611010;1397035839;mircea_popescu;keonne so pastebin teh emails, we have a lol.
611011;1397035842;fluffypony;I wish Bitcoin-OTC was +m
611012;1397035843;mircea_popescu;or w/e, got a blog ?
611013;1397035851;mircea_popescu;fluffypony #trilema is +m
611014;1397035856;mircea_popescu;vely sirent.
611015;1397035857;BingoBoingo;Iremember introducing myself with the IRL name to MP and seeing the hit on my IRL name site from timosoara in minutes
611016;1397035875;keonne;no blog
611017;1397035876;fluffypony;Brb
611018;1397035877;Apocalyptic;<fluffypony> I wish Bitcoin-OTC was +m // it was back in the days
611019;1397035882;mircea_popescu;it was yes.
611020;1397035894;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: You handled heartbleed yet?
611021;1397035895;mircea_popescu;;;voice
611022;1397035895;gribble;Error: You don't have the #bitcoin-assets,voice capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
611023;1397035905;mircea_popescu;stuff's still implemented too.
611024;1397035945;Apocalyptic;BingoBoingo, yes sir, as far as updatings the libs, I'm waiting for the new cert
611025;1397035989;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: Good, I need to keep ATC from spiraling out of control
611026;1397035996;mircea_popescu;they at 0 yet ?
611027;1397036006;Apocalyptic;far from it
611028;1397036006;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic don't you just love this cert business as implemented.
611029;1397036019;mircea_popescu;fucking burn them down.
611030;1397036023;Apocalyptic;^
611031;1397036049;Apocalyptic;i have a plan to switch to a full mpex-like model
611032;1397036052;keonne;;;gpg eauth keonne
611033;1397036053;gribble;Request successful for user keonne, hostmask keonne!~abdul@snugglenets.com. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/7EECABD58314C40C
611034;1397036074;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic at the very least as an interim install a gpg-based method for peole to verify your certs.
611035;1397036090;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ATC is still between 0 and 135 Satoshis
611036;1397036119;BingoBoingo;* 100 and 135 satoshis
611037;1397036131;bounce;(repaste) http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2014-04/0359.html
611038;1397036169;keonne;;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3ad047e67d7e696a316b00739955313d04c828ce88b9f8ae7ca87ca1
611039;1397036170;gribble;You are now authenticated for user keonne with key 7EECABD58314C40C
611040;1397036226;mircea_popescu;bounce indeed.
611041;1397036326;mircea_popescu;bounce dumped it on twitter. you got a handle there ?
611042;1397036349;Apocalyptic;nice link bounce
611043;1397036358;mircea_popescu;zacm yeah they're getting murdered atm.
611044;1397036411;BingoBoingo;Theo could use a support harem
611045;1397036414;mircea_popescu;"decimation: the other problem the SEC has is that thier lawyers are at best 'C' league compared to Goldman's army" << forget goldman. their alleged senior counsel fared very poorly when compared to mpex' lawyers.
611046;1397036428;keonne;haha
611047;1397036474;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform punkman that is a car that was sideswiped into a pole by a large truck.
611048;1397036481;BingoBoingo;So. In 10 years MP buys reddit and maps their urls onto DTNG pr0ns?
611049;1397036485;mircea_popescu;driver mostly innocent if at all present (unlikely)
611050;1397036511;keonne;is there a pic?
611051;1397036522;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i would hope to not be as senile as ted turner was in 10 years.
611052;1397036530;mircea_popescu;keonne http://wehadnoidea.tumblr.com/post/80908326562
611053;1397036542;keonne;ooof
611054;1397036570;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ted Turner did those things for what he imagined was a reason. I imagine you would have a better reason, butthurt.
611055;1397036585;mircea_popescu;haha hardly.
611056;1397036586;BingoBoingo;I mean Digg sold for what, 200k?
611057;1397036597;keonne;lol digg
611058;1397036607;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Not your posessing, but your inflicting
611059;1397036620;mircea_popescu;digg was a big thing back in the day
611060;1397036625;keonne;it sure was
611061;1397036628;mircea_popescu;reddit never was tbh.
611062;1397036632;keonne;yep
611063;1397036643;keonne;reddit was like diggs ugly step sister
611064;1397036650;mircea_popescu;i mean, sure slashdot sucks today, but one day it was a big thing. meanwhile 9gag or baumwhatever never were big things
611065;1397036659;BingoBoingo;reddit is like 4Chainz without pr0nz
611066;1397036661;mircea_popescu;what was that thing called
611067;1397036669;BingoBoingo;Ebaums
611068;1397036670;keonne;ebaumsworld
611069;1397036685;mircea_popescu;a yes!
611070;1397036718;keonne;BingoBoingo: there is plenty of pr0nz on reddit
611071;1397036739;bounce;don't link me, and no I don't have a twittar
611072;1397036752;mircea_popescu;aok.
611073;1397036753;keonne;/r/dirtysmall being a personal favourite
611074;1397036756;Naphex;morning
611075;1397036798;bounce;actually michelem in #freebsd
611076;1397036820;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: So... what Open source alternatives are there to OpenSSL which aren't as much of a bitch to read? << this is actually a very large, and very open problem.
611077;1397036832;mircea_popescu;we kinda need a pki replacement standard.
611078;1397036845;BingoBoingo;So much so
611079;1397036876;BingoBoingo;Really a Python, LISP or C for retards readable imlementation
611080;1397036888;bounce;let's start with the type of model we'd like there. hierarchical is "natural" for over-enthousiastic devs but doesn't work all that well in practice.
611081;1397036904;Naphex;there is PolarSSL and CySSL
611082;1397036910;Naphex;but more aimed for embedded work
611083;1397036931;BingoBoingo;Naphex: Explain
611084;1397036935;bounce;a WoT thingy makes more sense, but is harder to work with and harder to understand
611085;1397036938;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform more than semiconductor chemistry i'd say. lynn conway wasn't 40 years ago was she ?
611086;1397036983;mircea_popescu;bounce the traditional wisdom used to be that (booklength spec + half line user manual) beats (one page spc + one page user manual), because you do the book once and then the millions of users are saved a million pages.
611087;1397036991;mircea_popescu;this is inspiured by ... ford t pretty much
611088;1397037006;samson_;PolarSSL is perfect for all sorts of platforms, Windows, Linux and MacOS included
611089;1397037010;mircea_popescu;yet i suspect we're getting to a point where it's actually becoming false, and nobody has the oversight to call it.
611090;1397037022;mircea_popescu;samson_ who makes it ?
611091;1397037033;samson_;polarssl.org
611092;1397037040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00579967 = 0.2436 BTC [+] {4} 
611093;1397037048;Naphex;used in openvpn and cyassl was/is used in mysql
611094;1397037055;mircea_popescu;ah ah
611095;1397037074;Naphex;Polar has dual license while cyassl is gpl
611096;1397037080;samson_;The picocoin project is being forked to use it
611097;1397037092;bounce;hmm. well, there is a good incentive to conciseness (see EWD1300, at least first two paragraphs) but "the GUI beliefs" overshot it in a grand way, sort-of coming out the other way
611098;1397037102;Naphex;i have used both in some embedded work, when something lighter then openssl was needed.
611099;1397037113;samson_;They only added EC in PolarSSL recently
611100;1397037114;bounce;s/incentive/rationale/ really, the incentive is a bit lacking
611101;1397037123;mircea_popescu;bounce this is true.
611102;1397037126;BingoBoingo;Lighter for lighter's sake isn't really the aim though
611103;1397037138;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it is when i dress...
611104;1397037164;bounce;the "TL;DR" thing is a nice misunderstanding, by the by. don't put summaries at the bottom, where I find'em after I read the article.
611105;1397037184;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That rationale for dressing fails at higher latitudes though to the reality of cold.
611106;1397037195;mircea_popescu;i guess so.
611107;1397037216;bounce;"oh yeah I coulda said dis in one line but I only thought about it now" -- no real copyediting going on.
611108;1397037237;mircea_popescu;bounce you have to understand the us mentality, as aptly described by al pacino in devil's advocate.
611109;1397037251;mircea_popescu;they WANT to scroll past the text in order to get to feel bad about how they're not reading it.
611110;1397037256;BingoBoingo;Prolly fails the most in one of my favorite James Bond flicks when Felix Ligheter for Lighter's sake gets chewed by a shark
611111;1397037259;mircea_popescu;puritan mental issues.
611112;1397037280;bounce;heh. derpage in a can.
611113;1397037301;mircea_popescu;it's a thing tho. your average "man's rights" dood on a forum somewhere is only happy in an "unhappy" marriage.
611114;1397037308;mircea_popescu;that sort of contorted, psycho stuff.
611115;1397037334;BingoBoingo;I want to do a post on Donnie Darko and Popular American Calvinism, but I just can't get myself drunk enough to write it.
611116;1397037364;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/453832612768145408
611117;1397037365;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: #JokeBleed of the day : "Openssl ...
611118;1397037379;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i should send you a bottle of this here cognac
611119;1397037390;mircea_popescu;it passes the morning after test
611120;1397037435;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I like cognac. I'd have to get cigarettes that aren't menthols,  but I like that family of liquors.
611121;1397037461;mircea_popescu;sadly these idiots have gotten it to where i can't send you a bottle.
611122;1397037473;mircea_popescu;fuck da man, srsly.
611123;1397037510;BingoBoingo;Really, I mean I can literally order a liter of vancomycin concentrate on the jsutification that I have an itch. Fuck the man.
611124;1397037524;bounce;happy to be unhappy neatly glosses over the sad state of consumerist computing where the app is supposed to do the thinking, since to you it's supposed to be "intuitive", thus "no training needed" and thus we have large swathes of functionally illiterate people pushing buttons
611125;1397037548;bounce;funny how that keeps on biting
611126;1397037562;mircea_popescu;;;later tell ThickAsThieves of course you don't use tor unless you're doing something illegal. EVERYTHING YOU CAN DO IS ILLEGAL!
611127;1397037563;gribble;The operation succeeded.
611128;1397037576;mircea_popescu;then the people who think try and insulate themselves, and this is how thinking became a crime in the us
611129;1397037580;mircea_popescu;and in the soviet union before that,
611130;1397037609;BingoBoingo;I liek how allegedly the msot illegal thing I have done in my like was supposedly making a fucking phone call
611131;1397037662;mircea_popescu;consider this illustrative piece : http://www.27bslash6.com/flash.html
611132;1397037671;mircea_popescu;"We would never strike a student and whether the software is pirated or not is not the issue. He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable."
611133;1397037701;mircea_popescu;so basically the ad baculum argument reduces to "he knew we have the stick, therefore he should get the stick"
611134;1397037717;mircea_popescu;then people wonder why and wherefore it's game over. well who the fuck would want to play with you!?
611135;1397037720;BingoBoingo;I raise you http://www.27bslash6.com/easter.html
611136;1397037742;mircea_popescu;ya lol.
611137;1397037771;BingoBoingo;Maybe we can improve on a topic raised on Goat's forum?
611138;1397037777;mircea_popescu;"it was found" derp. i dunno wtf land of the free you live in, i went to scvhool in communist romania. yet a teacher'd not have dared go through your bag.
611139;1397037818;BingoBoingo;Yeah
611140;1397037837;BingoBoingo;Back in the day wouldn't have been dared here
611141;1397037850;BingoBoingo;But nao that Ibuprofen has been a drug for so long
611142;1397037876;mircea_popescu;i guess may account for why putin "doens't understand how the world works".
611143;1397037911;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i wonder what % of the us agency agents are actually drug free. not pretend-free, not pass the test free, but actually, as a lifestyle.
611144;1397037923;mircea_popescu;afaik the fsb still by and large is.
611145;1397038000;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo isn't 54 a little young to die ?
611146;1397038001;BingoBoingo;For small sample sizes I can gather, in the US the actual drug free figures are small
611147;1397038024;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Eh, UW only was one year short of my pappy
611148;1397038085;mircea_popescu;this sounds like the fucking pleistocene all oer again.
611149;1397038120;BingoBoingo;My hypothesis on why Putin can't understant how the world works though is that the world just doesn't work because it has no benefit from doing so.
611150;1397038137;BingoBoingo;The world just is.
611151;1397038179;BingoBoingo;No matter who or what slaps it on the ass the world can just persist in being.
611152;1397038181;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it was obviously a jab at a roomfull of potheads telling the sober guy that "he doesn't understand how the pretty colors work"
611153;1397038184;mircea_popescu;well duh. they ain't there.
611154;1397038248;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: In the US in any niche there is always a puritain contingent of some pretending to bees. Generally the higher in any gov niche the more they dominate.
611155;1397038282;mircea_popescu;aha
611156;1397038313;BingoBoingo;I've only met one person who worked at DISA though and they were shipped to London after racking up more DUIs int he states than Mr Bond himself.
611157;1397038345;mircea_popescu;lol
611158;1397038375;BingoBoingo;The Robert Hansen puritain to a fault type though at the higher levels of government security organizations is not that rare in the US though.
611159;1397038392;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete: and how is doge still even around? first teh nascar, now this merged-mining noise << it's only "still around" in the sense of noise. like you know, the dead aren't really dead if you remember them :D
611160;1397038484;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete it's even been announced, some fork. basically they want to fork it because htey perceive they should be given more of this world than the ycan take by themselves, for themselves, and they perceive it's unfair that just as soon as an algo of division is established, better people get more than them.
611161;1397038484;gribble;The operation succeeded.
611162;1397038493;BingoBoingo;This transition in the US really was a big thing between Pershing and Lyndon Johnson
611163;1397038504;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete and so they want to just keep changing the algos and dream on.
611164;1397038504;gribble;The operation succeeded.
611165;1397038548;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: Litecoin miners want all asics to die. The want to only mine when not playing starcraft and mining wow gold.
611166;1397038551;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1774954/plain/)
611167;1397038551;mircea_popescu;!b 1
611168;1397038566;BingoBoingo;Essentially J E Hoover was more damaging to the US than Brezhnev could have ever been to the Soviet republics
611169;1397038620;mircea_popescu;i dun know brejnev was all that bad, economically at least.
611170;1397038623;mircea_popescu;kinda nil politically.
611171;1397038675;BingoBoingo;I the US the Hooverites paited him as the devil, worse than Castro, but he gave Russia its booze back.
611172;1397038689;BingoBoingo;So I can't complain.
611173;1397038763;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I showed my wife that blog post
611174;1397038769;fluffypony;She was laughing
611175;1397038778;fluffypony;She says hi: http://i.imgur.com/w6yiSSd.jpg
611176;1397038789;BingoBoingo;However the Hoover lives on in US 3 letter culture in that alcohol is more poisonous to many of those factions than coke (which the CIA loves for obvious reasons)
611177;1397038887;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Easier to tell her to submit http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/
611178;1397038914;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: LOL
611179;1397038927;fluffypony;That was NSFL
611180;1397038952;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: I think that picture popularized that acronym
611181;1397039051;mircea_popescu;fluffypony http://trilema.com/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/#comment-98941 that, basically.
611182;1397039064;mircea_popescu;lmao
611183;1397039084;mircea_popescu;i guess i'm blogging this.
611184;1397039114;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0550002 = 0.605 BTC [+]
611185;1397039115;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6 = 1.8 BTC [+] {2} 
611186;1397039116;fluffypony;Heh heh
611187;1397039121;BingoBoingo;The Buttcoiner mentality critiqued long ago by someone else
611188;1397039124;BingoBoingo;http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/thesks.htm
611189;1397039175;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05500023 = 0.22 BTC [+]
611190;1397039206;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: ok but as mentioned in the original post, the issue was not solvency or collateral - it was a brief experiment to see if I could get a secured loan at a better rate than I could locally
611191;1397039226;mircea_popescu;you know there's a guy who tried this in 2012 for similar reasons ?
611192;1397039239;mircea_popescu;he got really buttreamed, but he did pay off afaik, and one of the few to do so.
611193;1397039258;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: What was his collateral though? And did eh link it to the usd price?
611194;1397039297;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00561522 = 0.3762 BTC [-] {5} 
611195;1397039309;mircea_popescu;he did not, no. mostly because nobody in btc would accept such a deal.
611196;1397039320;fluffypony;Yeah I get that
611197;1397039327;fluffypony;I was...more naive then
611198;1397039331;fluffypony;Not that I'm not naive now
611199;1397039337;fluffypony;But hopefully a little less
611200;1397039392;mircea_popescu;way it works.
611201;1397039436;fluffypony;Yeah it was an excellent lesson in the dynamics of bitcoin and of the community
611202;1397039492;keonne;fluffypony: props to not being a butthurt bitch in the comments
611203;1397039548;mircea_popescu;fluffypony http://trilema.com/2014/fuck-me-fuck-you/
611204;1397039565;fluffypony;keonne: Meh, it was a year ago, and I can understand mircea_popescu not noticing the USD linked loan
611205;1397039590;mircea_popescu;i did notice it. i discarded it, too, cause who the hell is giving you a fiat loan.
611206;1397039610;keonne;ok, off for a bit, cheers
611207;1397039627;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: Btc jam had the option, I figured it wasn't unheard of for loans with a term of more than like 2 weeks
611208;1397039635;fluffypony;Otherwise it's just asking for trouble
611209;1397039646;mircea_popescu;but anyway, as kman says, props for not being a butthurt bitch.
611210;1397039656;fluffypony;No worries
611211;1397039657;keonne;sand. kofte, cigarettes, and coffee, somewhere truffles is dying inside do to my lack of healthly activities
611212;1397039663;keonne;kman - hah my dad calls me that
611213;1397039679;keonne;*due
611214;1397039687;mircea_popescu;keonne it's what seinfeld called kramer, too :D
611215;1397039693;fluffypony;keonne: Coffee is awesome, I refuse to believe it has any negative affect on my health :-P
611216;1397039704;keonne;mircea_popescu: you keep getting better and better
611217;1397039706;mircea_popescu;nothing has a negative effect on your health in moderate amts.
611218;1397039710;mircea_popescu;otherwise, fucking kills.
611219;1397039710;BingoBoingo;keonne: Truffles is basically Diablo-D3 but somehow less crazy and slow
611220;1397039719;keonne;you're my favourite pschyopathic bigot
611221;1397039736;Diablo-D3;BingoBoingo: truffles runs a large company and writes foss in his spare time?
611222;1397039739;keonne;lol BingoBoingo
611223;1397039761;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: I dunno, have you ever made peace with bread yet?
611224;1397039763;keonne;moderation and I.... eh
611225;1397039764;mircea_popescu;keonne http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=4
611226;1397039772;fluffypony;Ok lunch time, bbl
611227;1397039788;keonne;lol!
611228;1397039809;Diablo-D3;BingoBoingo: thats like asking if I've made peace with fossil fuels
611229;1397039814;Diablo-D3;its a nonsensical statement
611230;1397039846;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.055 = 0.825 BTC [-]
611231;1397039854;mircea_popescu;actually my baguette has some charcoal embedded in it ;/
611232;1397039862;mircea_popescu;mebbe Diablo-D3 has a point there...
611233;1397039888;BingoBoingo;Fossil fuels make my Saturn go and don't give me any trouble.
611234;1397039898;mircea_popescu;wait you drive a saturn ?
611235;1397039907;mircea_popescu;the exact car i'd have imagined.
611236;1397039918;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: yeah, family sedan. gets zero unwanted attention
611237;1397040241;dexX7;hey i'm still thinking about the heartbleed stuff and was wondering: how could one - in theory - do something nefarious with this? user sessions aside, but what else is flying around there?
611238;1397040283;mircea_popescu;if you get the server's keys you can a)impersonate the server and b) decrypt all its traffic, thaty you previously stored.
611239;1397040351;BingoBoingo;Pretty much this is the worst of all cases that the mainstream security community would have supposed
611240;1397040356;dexX7;so this would be great for phishing for example?
611241;1397040368;BingoBoingo;Or Spear Phishing
611242;1397040376;BingoBoingo;Or DNS hijacking
611243;1397040403;dexX7;but the server's private key is usually not exchanged, i think?
611244;1397040411;BingoBoingo;Or just running a high traffic router and scooping up ciphertext
611245;1397040418;mircea_popescu;dexX7 for anything.
611246;1397040425;BingoBoingo;dexX7: Heartbleed extracts that key
611247;1397040428;mircea_popescu;dexX7 but it has to be in memory.
611248;1397040487;mircea_popescu;anyway, if you're looking for more of a perspective thing : this is without a doubt the largest vulnerability ever reported in the history of vulnerabilities.
611249;1397040488;dexX7;hm right. to encrypt something, you'd need the key, therefore it's somewhere
611250;1397040490;mircea_popescu;bar none, nothing comes close.
611251;1397040523;mircea_popescu;it's larger than the cookie monster, and that thing had the advantage of there only being about 50 computers total.
611252;1397040573;BingoBoingo;dexX7: This allows extracting privates, so it allows Decrypting
611253;1397040589;dexX7;how likely is it such a flaw is implemented by accident?
611254;1397040638;dexX7;or rephrased: was it placed there to be exploited by some party?
611255;1397040645;mircea_popescu;how likely is it that you're really my wife and are currently pregnant with twin bald eagles ?
611256;1397040667;BingoBoingo;How often does the sun just stop fusion for a few minutes to catch a breath
611257;1397040751;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo funny factoid : the sun fusion is not unlike mining. it could in principle be the case a finite interval goes without any emission.
611258;1397040755;mircea_popescu;not likely obviously
611259;1397040770;mircea_popescu;but hence the solar cycles etc.
611260;1397040837;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, of course the possibility exists that the sun stops totally for a measurable period of time, but...
611261;1397040844;mircea_popescu;mhm.
611262;1397040846;BingoBoingo;Like mining... How often actually
611263;1397040949;dexX7;hehe.. no i mean.. people make errors, that's for sure, but sometimes one would say "you'd need to be very, very stupid, do to an error of this kind and it's likely no one sane would ever do something like this". and i'm wondering, if this is the case here
611264;1397040996;mircea_popescu;this is an implant not an error. at what level in the process the implanting starts and cluelessness takes over is still unclear.
611265;1397041009;mircea_popescu;the implanting ends*
611266;1397041138;BingoBoingo;dexX7: Basically if your were stupid enough to err this way, you were to stupid to concieve of  this way to err
611267;1397041188;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.05395116 = 0.6474 BTC [-] {3} 
611268;1397041226;Naphex;https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/the-linux-backdoor-attempt-of-2003/ for those who still remember
611269;1397041227;ozbot;The Linux Backdoor Attempt of 2003
611270;1397041249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05395001 = 0.1619 BTC [-] {2} 
611271;1397041254;mircea_popescu;Naphex indeed.
611272;1397041336;Naphex;and some of the scheiner warnings https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html
611273;1397041452;BingoBoingo;People stumbling into the superiority of mutual betting https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ratings-for-all-the-bitcoin-sports-books.252942/page-26#post-5839153
611274;1397041455;mircea_popescu;the good old == vs = bug :D
611275;1397041481;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol. i hope they make a name for it and put it in wikipedia. something like a DAB, or something.
611276;1397041486;mircea_popescu;maybe DUMB
611277;1397041541;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It is just amazing how much justification goes on to deny the self is being swindled
611278;1397041541;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
611279;1397041555;mircea_popescu;people like it in the butt, what.
611280;1397041560;mircea_popescu;if they didn't it'd have long disappeared.
611281;1397041576;Naphex;haha
611282;1397041633;BingoBoingo;Explains the longevity of the Bitcoin Foundation, though the low rate of activity there is telling
611283;1397041671;mircea_popescu;i would say the same thing explains the longevbity of the thing as explains the longevity of soviet satellites : they're still in orbit.
611284;1397041680;mircea_popescu;they don't work, but unless we build a huge broom somehow...
611285;1397041765;BingoBoingo;Purity though Transnidstria is nao b est Soviet
611286;1397041974;BingoBoingo;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--VaaBMIhp--/c_fit,w_320/671443921815989424.png
611287;1397042286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 51 @ 0.049 = 2.499 BTC [+]
611288;1397042315;BingoBoingo;"Besides, if Silicon Valley can proselytize about cloud country and dividing California into six pieces, why can't their political enemies engage in similar flights of fancy about the world as it currently exists? " << They can't
611289;1397042347;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 58 @ 0.03491701 = 2.0252 BTC [+] {5} 
611290;1397042348;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.049 = 0.343 BTC [+]
611291;1397043140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0549998 = 0.11 BTC [+]
611292;1397043201;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03499999 = 0.175 BTC [+] {3} 
611293;1397043262;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05499999 = 0.22 BTC [+] {2} 
611294;1397043526;BingoBoingo;So... where is truffles
611295;1397043681;BingoBoingo;http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/192771
611296;1397043682;ozbot;Login
611297;1397043747;BingoBoingo;;;later tell truffles Let us try this fantasy baseball thing head to head
611298;1397043748;gribble;The operation succeeded.
611299;1397043811;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.03549999 = 0.497 BTC [+] {2} 
611300;1397043812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.0485 = 0.679 BTC [-] {2} 
611301;1397043904;BingoBoingo;I the spirit of #heartbleed is anyone else interested in -assets fantasy baseball on yahoo?
611302;1397044590;fluffypony;http://article.gmane.org/gmane.os.openbsd.misc/211963
611303;1397044590;ozbot;Gmane -- Re: FYA: http:  heartbleed.com
611304;1397044593;fluffypony;Fail by design
611305;1397044599;fluffypony;Go OpenSSL
611306;1397044909;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0075 = 0.15 BTC [+]
611307;1397045028;mircea_popescu;yeah was in the log earlier.
611308;1397045033;mircea_popescu;fluffypony so where in sa do you live ?
611309;1397045092;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59999999 = 1.8 BTC [-]
611310;1397045233;keonne;saturns never dent man, good stuff
611311;1397045240;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo how'd that work ?!
611312;1397045259;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: WHich thing?
611313;1397045275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.055 = 0.385 BTC [+]
611314;1397045281;mircea_popescu;"I the spirit of #heartbleed is anyone else interested in -assets fantasy baseball on yahoo?"
611315;1397045286;mircea_popescu;but meanwhile i figured it out :)
611316;1397045317;BingoBoingo;Oh, yahoo is password weak because heartbleed. Figured I'd offer something on Yahoo for people to sign up for
611317;1397045332;BingoBoingo;Since no reason to use yahoo for anything of import at all
611318;1397045337;mircea_popescu;ever a good bingoboingotan
611319;1397045375;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: Plettenberg Bay, along the Garden Route
611320;1397045380;fluffypony;used to be in Cape Town
611321;1397045404;mircea_popescu;" IRC may not seem very asynchronous, but it is" << actually, it's ... multisyncronous. pretty much the only mental space that readily comprehends irc flow is the sort that spent a lot of time doing debugger stepping.
611322;1397045420;mircea_popescu;fluffypony is rape quite so bad there as they say ?
611323;1397045451;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yeah, you can't minimise it, but it's a problem in the townships and villages and not so much in the suburbs
611324;1397045463;mircea_popescu;aha
611325;1397045476;fluffypony;but traditionally speaking women are not viewed as equals, so the men can just do whatever they want
611326;1397045485;joecool;hmm, doesn't openssl also have weird licensing that would prevent a fork?
611327;1397045489;mircea_popescu;so not exactly a race thing as much as a gender thing ?
611328;1397045495;mircea_popescu;joecool not at all.
611329;1397045500;Naphex;lol
611330;1397045505;mircea_popescu;just a huge workload for very little pay that prevents a fork.
611331;1397045525;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: both Afrikaaners (white) and native South Africans (black) have a similar view of women
611332;1397045533;fluffypony;although culturally that view developed independently of the other
611333;1397045544;mircea_popescu;well most people alive, or historically existing had the same view.
611334;1397045578;fluffypony;the younger generation is better with that
611335;1397045608;mircea_popescu;well "women" in the traditional sense hardly exist in the newer generation. it's pretty much a genderless soup
611336;1397045621;mircea_popescu;kinda have my doubts of this weird construct's chances of survival, but we see.
611337;1397045622;fluffypony;true
611338;1397045648;fluffypony;the problem is that the women-as-sex-objects view among native African males leads to some weird crap
611339;1397045665;joecool;ah, yeah just looked it up, it has the advertising clause that makes it incompatible with GPL without an exemption
611340;1397045692;mircea_popescu;well yes but iirc it was bsd licensed
611341;1397045725;fluffypony;like a complete disregard for logic when it comes to "rape a baby as a cure for AIDs"
611342;1397045744;fluffypony;because women + babies aren't = men
611343;1397045786;mircea_popescu;well, that part can even be set aside. raping babies does not actually cure aids.
611344;1397045844;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yep, but the idea persists
611345;1397045848;fluffypony;meh
611346;1397045858;fluffypony;anywhere you live you compromise
611347;1397045875;mircea_popescu;yes, inasmuch as embodiment is an imposition.
611348;1397045881;fluffypony;here it's crime + economy
611349;1397045892;fluffypony;in the US it's terrorism + natural disasters + the NSA
611350;1397045893;mircea_popescu;which goes back to my original genderless soup comment : they're not better about the problems, they just avoid them more.
611351;1397045896;mircea_popescu;ipad ftw.
611352;1397045898;fluffypony;yep agreed
611353;1397045972;mircea_popescu;actually, if anyone cares to explore this topic, i've wtf'd my foreign slaves with "filantropica", a romanian movie of the 90s. pretty much a slice of life, could as well be a documentary.
611354;1397045991;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: what do you use for IRC on the iPad? Colloquy?
611355;1397046017;mircea_popescu;i never used an ipad.
611356;1397046173;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: oh I misunderstood the "ipad ftw." comment
611357;1397046190;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0356 = 0.178 BTC [+] {2} 
611358;1397046373;fluffypony;HeySteve: stay
611359;1397046852;keonne;Filantropica
611360;1397046861;keonne;just saving in buffer for later retrieval
611361;1397047188;keonne;mircea_popescu: when watching that film, how much of it is still relevant to Romania today
611362;1397047214;mircea_popescu;not much. romania changes incredibly fast, it's almost azn.
611363;1397047256;keonne;Okay
611364;1397047281;keonne;I believe I am visiting Romania this year, I'm looking forward to it very much
611365;1397047319;keonne;Mostly because I have no idea what to expect
611366;1397047628;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/filantropica/
611367;1397047628;ozbot;Filantropica pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
611368;1397047636;mircea_popescu;here, i gave up trying to post the shit in irc, made a blogpost instead.
611369;1397047660;mircea_popescu;keonne you can always ask teh people after the conference.
611370;1397047717;fluffypony;who's going to the Crypto Currency Convention in NY?
611371;1397047732;fluffypony;we're at the VertCoin stand, so you can go look at our stuff in person
611372;1397047959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0485 = 0.194 BTC [-]
611373;1397047960;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
611374;1397048203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.00550753 = 0.7711 BTC [-] {7} 
611375;1397048402;MisterE;mircea_popescu: is that a Romanian name?
611376;1397048412;MisterE;sounds very French to my Yankee ears
611377;1397048472;MisterE;the pronunciation nags at me heh
611378;1397048517;jurov;romanian lang is close to french
611379;1397048577;MisterE;ahh ok
611380;1397048649;mircea_popescu;absolutely romanian.
611381;1397048659;mircea_popescu;doth not exist in any other language. except, of course.... murican.
611382;1397048667;mircea_popescu;;;google site:trilema.com mircea mircea monroe.
611383;1397048668;gribble;I was right, you were wrong. Again. Feel the burn. pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/i-was-right-you-were-wrong-again-feel-the-burn/>; Decembrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/12>; Oda Superbiei pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/oda-superbiei/>
611384;1397048675;mircea_popescu;holy shit google.
611385;1397048692;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/mircea-mircea-monroe/
611386;1397048693;ozbot;Mircea. Mircea Monroe. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
611387;1397049118;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.60579927 = 12.116 BTC [+] {7} 
611388;1397049179;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.60940909 = 6.7035 BTC [+] {3} 
611389;1397050033;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0558798 = 0.5029 BTC [-]
611390;1397050155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 72 @ 0.00566999 = 0.4082 BTC [-] {2} 
611391;1397051149;adolf_fishler;test
611392;1397051188;jurov;adolf_fishler: test failed
611393;1397051190;adolf_fishler;terrible
611394;1397051192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 17 @ 0.01499915 = 0.255 BTC [-] {3} 
611395;1397051253;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 28 @ 0.01137115 = 0.3184 BTC [-] {4} 
611396;1397051276;blackwhite;morning gents
611397;1397051306;adolf_fishler;morning blacky
611398;1397051314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 39 @ 0.01 = 0.39 BTC [-] {2} 
611399;1397051318;jurov;evening
611400;1397051454;fluffypony;mid-afternoon
611401;1397051741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00096731 = 29.7931 BTC [+]
611402;1397051985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 616 @ 0.00039999 = 0.2464 BTC [+]
611403;1397052166;Musk;for the love of dumplings.
611404;1397052338;robwhiz22;Hi.
611405;1397052375;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, are you around?
611406;1397052435;BingoBoingo;robwhiz22: His name autocompleted, so he'll prolly see what you type
611407;1397052589;robwhiz22;BingoBoingo: thank you.  He told me to talk with him here.
611408;1397052597;robwhiz22;BingoBoingo: I'll try later and see if he's on.
611409;1397052655;Musk;Guest15829 so hows the weather? :3
611410;1397052656;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00577999 = 0.578 BTC [+] {3} 
611411;1397052676;Musk;Guest12166  so hows the weather? :3
611412;1397052901;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00075 = 0.75 BTC [-] {2} 
611413;1397053327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.05503333 = 0.6604 BTC [-] {2} 
611414;1397053449;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 28 @ 0.08299776 = 2.3239 BTC [-]
611415;1397053815;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05494999 = 0.1099 BTC [-] {2} 
611416;1397054036;MisterE;http://packetstormsecurity.com/files/126068/Heartbleed-Honeypot-Script.html
611417;1397054036;ozbot;Heartbleed Honeypot Script ≈ Packet Storm
611418;1397054059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0359999 = 0.144 BTC [+]
611419;1397054060;MisterE;Guest76571: hows the weather?
611420;1397054547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0558799 = 0.447 BTC [+] {2} 
611421;1397054730;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.036 = 0.108 BTC [+]
611422;1397056240;mike_c;BingoBoingo: thank you.  that easter link made my day.  hilarious :D
611423;1397056255;mike_c;"Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus have a sword fight."
611424;1397056303;thestringpuller;!last m s.mpoe
611425;1397056303;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096731 BTC [+]
611426;1397056312;thestringpuller;!ticker
611427;1397056312;assbot;Hell, ain't we about more fucked than a whore at closin' time, huh?
611428;1397056317;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
611429;1397056318;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00096539 / 0.00099169 / 0.00101 (443278 shares, 439.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00093983 / 0.00097277 / 0.00101 (4331512 shares, 4,213.60 BTC), 30D: 0.00079084 / 0.00089908 / 0.00101 (27459171 shares, 24,688.04 BTC)
611430;1397056373;danielpbarron;:<
611431;1397056435;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
611432;1397056443;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 445.2, vol: 7535.31056283 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 444.392, vol: 6096.24982 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 445.403, vol: 3697.25441944 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 463.0, vol: 46.73166148 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 442.366863, vol: 2069.06200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 1.84923361 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 456.126, vol: 55.37423946 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
611433;1397056453;BingoBoingo;;;more drama
611434;1397056454;gribble;Error: I haven't seen drama.
611435;1397056511;jurov;lol gribble.. "no drama here, move on"
611436;1397056708;pLambert;has s.mpoe paid dividends this month yet?
611437;1397056718;thestringpuller;no sir
611438;1397056729;pLambert;is it going to?
611439;1397056736;thestringpuller;why wouldn't it?
611440;1397056751;pLambert;just wondering, the report came out a few days ago ...
611441;1397056769;thestringpuller;so did bitbet but it hasn't paid yet either
611442;1397056772;thestringpuller;patience :P
611443;1397056788;pLambert;I don't have time for patience!
611444;1397056808;mike_c;hm, it is later than usual.  mp must be busy.
611445;1397056826;thestringpuller;with a conference in 2 weeks I'd hope he's busy :P
611446;1397056840;jurov;he every month either forgets or makes a mistake
611447;1397056883;mike_c;i vote for mpoe-pr as mpoe-accountant
611448;1397056886;jurov;the payout must involve truly heroic effort
611449;1397056928;pLambert;do we still call her mpoe-pr even though she got laid off?
611450;1397056935;mike_c;maybe his piper wallet is out of printer paper
611451;1397056936;Guest12166;maybe this time he wants to get it right!
611452;1397057042;jurov;i propose delayed divs to be compounded by MPBOR >:-]
611453;1397057205;Shakespeare;why, shareholders would just owe it next month ;)
611454;1397057218;benkay;pLambert: ms. whet?
611455;1397057255;benkay;(e)Mircea Popescu solemnly promises and warrants that complete and accurate Statements of Profit and Loss for each Reporting Month will be published by him no later than by the fifth day of the new month. Under exceptional circumstances and for good cause the publishing of the Statements of Profit and Loss can be deferred no more than once in a calendar year so that the Statement of Profit and Loss of one month is published together
611456;1397057259;benkay;with the Statement of Profit and Loss of the next month.
611457;1397057260;pLambert;benkay: what?
611458;1397057262;benkay;
611459;1397057266;benkay;(f)Immediately upon publication of each Statement of Profit and Loss MPOE/MPEx will pay to shareholders as dividends a fraction of no less than 100% (one hundred percent) of the Net Profits, if any.
611460;1397057287;benkay;<pLambert> do we still call her mpoe-pr even though she got laid off?
611461;1397057289;jurov;pLambert: her blog is named The Whet
611462;1397057299;pLambert;she has a blog?
611463;1397057311;benkay;;;google whet shall be delivered
611464;1397057331;gribble;Shall be Delivered | The Whet: <http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/>; Chatper 14 - Wheat Futures - CME Group: <http://www.cmegroup.com/rulebook/CBOT/II/14/14.pdf>; Chapter 14B - Mini-Sized Wheat Futures - CME Group: <http://www.cmegroup.com/rulebook/CBOT/II/14B/14B.pdf>
611465;1397057343;pLambert;how immediately is immediately in this case?
611466;1397057363;mike_c;i had this thought last night.  if i was the nsa, and i had injected this awesome new backdoor into 1.0.1f, and i was really anxious for everyone to upgrade right now.. I would publicize my outdated backdoor called heartbleed.
611467;1397057395;benkay;pLambert: i suppose that's for His Busyness to determine, eh? not us plebs...
611468;1397057413;pLambert;mike_c: is it open source?
611469;1397057416;Mats_cd03;and the part where thousands of eyes have suddenly started running diffs against repos?
611470;1397057422;mike_c;pLambert: openssl? yes.
611471;1397057433;Mats_cd03;too many layers. do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars
611472;1397057442;benkay;mircea_popescu:BingoBoingo: So... what Open source alternatives are there to OpenSSL which aren't as much of a bitch to read? << this is actually a very large, and very open problem. << http://golang.org/pkg/crypto/tls/, seems to be about 8kloc
611473;1397057457;benkay;asciilifeform, mike_c, decimation, everyone else interested in ssl
611474;1397057479;mike_c;isn't 'thousands of eyes' always the flawed argument why open source software is safe?
611475;1397057525;benkay;mike_c: kinda falls down when the eyes/kloc gets too small, or the l' of c are unreadable.
611476;1397057537;benkay;(l's)
611477;1397057544;jurov;djb just threw it all out and made his own from the ground up
611478;1397057579;Shakespeare;benkay, the issue (and likely reality) I see with your NSA theory is that it would echo to all versions ever
611479;1397057587;mike_c;visual inspection of code is a crappy way to test anyway.
611480;1397057633;benkay;my NSA theory?
611481;1397057639;benkay;Shakespeare: is that you, TaT?
611482;1397057653;Apocalyptic;probably
611483;1397057691;Mats_cd03;is
611484;1397057719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00096731 = 20.7004 BTC [+]
611485;1397057766;Shakespeare;yes
611486;1397057785;Shakespeare;just keep forgetting to unlock my name in 30secs
611487;1397057790;Shakespeare;and I like this name too
611488;1397057827;benkay;bounce: re "intuitive" computing: i build this shit all day and only occasionally hate my life. the only time it makes sense to me is when it's not so much a bit of software (software nominally empowering humans to do things they could not before) but a tool (in the sense of a hammer, used to do a specific thing).
611489;1397057863;benkay;case in point, a 2fa app for these fine gents: http://www.tozny.com/
611490;1397057874;benkay;does one thing, and that well.
611491;1397057889;Apocalyptic;"We have four premium 'BRANDABLE' Crypto Coin niche domains for sale at
611492;1397057889;Apocalyptic;bargain pricing that I thought you guys would like to know about as they
611493;1397057889;Apocalyptic;are all within your industry and are extremely valuable beyond our prices"
611494;1397057899;benkay;(sneak peek everyone: soon to announce having performed actual crypto audit and implemented fixes!)
611495;1397057911;Apocalyptic;seriously what kind of spam I get.. moreover the domains are shitty
611496;1397058033;thestringpuller;benkay: pm
611497;1397058085;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.055899 = 0.559 BTC [+]
611498;1397058146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.05589998 = 0.3913 BTC [+]
611499;1397058149;benkay;highly confusing to catch the pm note before the actual pm, thestringpuller ;)
611500;1397058260;MisterE;http://www.torontosun.com/2014/04/09/mass-stabbing-at-pennsylvania-high-school
611501;1397058261;ozbot;Mass stabbing at Pennsylvania high school | World | News | Toronto Sun
611502;1397058350;joecool;20? kid's got skills
611503;1397058464;benkay;stabby stabby
611504;1397058480;benkay;this is why everyone should be taught to fight at age six
611505;1397058495;benkay;in other derpy news: no more wome
611506;1397058509;benkay;(goddamn kill ring)
611507;1397058509;benkay;http://juggalocoin.org/
611508;1397058511;ozbot;JuggaloCoin
611509;1397058626;benkay;so this irs position where you get taxed on the increase in value of your coins
611510;1397058647;benkay;seems like it'd make more sense if they just taxed you on the acquisition of coins. just like normal income.
611511;1397058658;benkay;i know i know; party line is "bitcoins aren't money"
611512;1397058851;Musk;benkay Lets all watch Bloomberg t.v the essances of real economic news...
611513;1397058856;*;Musk chuckles.
611514;1397058860;dignork;benkay, but they tax you only when switching btc to something else, as in barter deal
611515;1397058878;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0558 = 0.2232 BTC [-]
611516;1397058880;pankkake;paying taxes, what a strange idea
611517;1397058947;*;benkay rolls eyes
611518;1397058967;mike_c;yes, it's not like france where they just take your whole paycheck and give you a few dollars a week for coffee and cigarettes.
611519;1397058968;benkay;dignork: i understand the situation on the ground.
611520;1397059017;Musk;Hey guys are you lazy workers? yes.. then move to france.. its now illegal for employers to contract you after 6PM.
611521;1397059023;Musk;contact*
611522;1397059059;Apocalyptic;what
611523;1397059102;benkay;hey man contracts is contracts
611524;1397059119;Musk;http://www.theguardian.com/money/shortcuts/2014/apr/09/french-6pm-labour-agreement-work-emails-out-of-office...
611525;1397059123;Musk;i meant Contact... gosh.
611526;1397059167;Musk;This kind of news might lead to capital flying out of the country though.
611527;1397059196;benkay;and who are you, Musk?
611528;1397059199;benkay;;;gettrust Musk
611529;1397059203;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Musk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Musk | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Musk | Rated since: never
611530;1397059244;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.14364288 BTC to 7`651 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
611531;1397059248;pankkake;that really is non-news. you never were forced to answer, unless by contract (which is likely not going to change)
611532;1397059264;pLambert;benkay: is there any capitla left to fly?
611533;1397059302;benkay;i had nothing to do with that comment, pLambert
611534;1397059317;benkay;i'm insufficiently capitalized myself to talk about capitalization
611535;1397059320;benkay;plus, france.
611536;1397059390;pLambert;bah, reading in a line is hard.
611537;1397059408;Mats_cd03;benkay re: tozny...tag line says eliminate the need for passwords, so is this just... auth by phone?
611538;1397059427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.08299776 = 0.415 BTC [-]
611539;1397059428;benkay;not really accurate
611540;1397059447;benkay;don't be too harsh on the guys, they need to throw down another 10-20k on branding and copy.
611541;1397059478;benkay;there's an auth path that does away with passwords, but i don't know that anyone's going to implement it.
611542;1397059478;Mats_cd03;a clever founder would hire a starving artist for 500usd
611543;1397059505;benkay;the approach i expect to see implementers use is passwords + phone auth
611544;1397059516;jurov;and loot all photobanks for moar nice pictures
611545;1397059546;benkay;Mats_cd03: have you ever seen enterprise-sales grade material come out of a starving artist?
611546;1397059571;Mats_cd03;if you look in the right places, it can be had
611547;1397059604;jurov;benkay: cause mobile malware is non-extant, right?
611548;1397059618;Mats_cd03;try uc berkeley, or san francisco downtown :)
611549;1397059632;benkay;starving artists in san francisco??
611550;1397059636;benkay;pull the other one, Mats_cd03
611551;1397059656;benkay;(leastaways starving css jockies)
611552;1397059656;Mats_cd03;i guess they're not starving, just homeless
611553;1397059678;benkay;jurov: since when?
611554;1397059697;Mats_cd03;i imagine mitigating mobile malware is largely a policy issue
611555;1397059725;benkay;as with all installed software, i think it's the user's issue.
611556;1397059728;jurov;are you both serious?
611557;1397059746;Mats_cd03;give the nerds that need a smartphone something with a concrete expected support lifetime
611558;1397059748;jurov;we are just on tthe threshold on gsm baseband exploits
611559;1397059766;jurov;that stuff can do everything
611560;1397059801;jurov;there will be blood. now it's the worst time to rely on phones for anything\
611561;1397059841;benkay;compromise via gsm modem oslt?
611562;1397059858;Mats_cd03;the enemy still wouldnt have the keys you use to communicate securely though
611563;1397059864;Mats_cd03;at the app layer, anyway
611564;1397059882;Mats_cd03;(idk anything about gsm)
611565;1397059887;benkay;nor i.
611566;1397059907;Mats_cd03;ive known for some time the equipment for attacks against gsm has been affordable
611567;1397059908;jurov;it has bus access
611568;1397059923;Mats_cd03;<2kUSD in equipment now im sure
611569;1397059937;pankkake;gsm was designed by people with no real computing experience. don't trust the telephonists for anything
611570;1397059938;jurov;yes, that's why i'm talking about threshold
611571;1397059955;pankkake;it only lasted because the equipment was expensive
611572;1397059983;jurov;http://readwrite.com/2011/01/18/baseband_hacking_a_new_frontier_for_smartphone_break_ins#awesm=~oAX7gdWJCz6y2g
611573;1397059984;ozbot;Baseband Hacking: A New Frontier for Smartphone Break-ins – ReadWrite
611574;1397059989;jurov;just one report of many
611575;1397060016;benkay;"smarter" (or more well-capitalized) heads than mine have decided that this thing flies. we just ensure that the parts over which we have authority do what they say on the tin. per asciilifeform's mice and comments on proofs, the stack is ultra complex and its vulnerabilities are beyond our pay grade to even address.
611576;1397060037;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 41 @ 0.00349949 = 0.1435 BTC [+] {2} 
611577;1397060048;jurov;you are ironic?
611578;1397060069;benkay;no, just stupid.
611579;1397060096;benkay;explain it to me before i make more mistakes, jurov
611580;1397060124;jurov;but i don't get what you are misunderstanding?
611581;1397060124;benkay;customer wants a gun that fires backwards. i say "but it fires backwards!" they say "just build it."
611582;1397060159;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 95 @ 0.00408918 = 0.3885 BTC [+] {7} 
611583;1397060175;jurov;or your tozny comment was meant ironically from the start?
611584;1397060220;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 112 @ 0.00491185 = 0.5501 BTC [+] {6} 
611585;1397060235;benkay;i dunno where this went off the rails.
611586;1397060271;benkay;you and i both know the only solution is keys on a device you trust and bitcoin.
611587;1397060281;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 34 @ 0.00520587 = 0.177 BTC [+] {2} 
611588;1397060282;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.05679361 = 2.2717 BTC [+] {5} 
611589;1397060525;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 23 @ 0.0052749 = 0.1213 BTC [+] {3} 
611590;1397061021;benkay;;;tslb
611591;1397061029;gribble;Time since last block: 7 minutes and 26 seconds
611592;1397061043;BingoBoingo;.d
611593;1397061044;ozbot;6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1385 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.1369% in 9d 7h 27m 39s
611594;1397061065;benkay;;;calc 529/60
611595;1397061066;gribble;8.81666666667
611596;1397061109;benkay;supply high, demand low.
611597;1397061112;benkay;;;ticker
611598;1397061114;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 444.31, Best ask: 444.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 444.31, 24 hour volume: 8064.52728342, 24 hour low: 439.5, 24 hour high: 458.2, 24 hour vwap: 448.973423497
611599;1397061125;benkay;WHY CRASH?!?!?
611600;1397061185;arij;btc ded
611601;1397061205;mike_c;cuz china, duh.
611602;1397061257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.056 = 0.224 BTC [-]
611603;1397061258;pLambert;is the guy who runs bitvps on here?
611604;1397061289;BingoBoingo;How many times is BTC just going to crash to the same price it was yesterday roughly??? This is catastrophe!!!
611605;1397061295;arij;pLambert, yes, pm me
611606;1397061318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05530004 = 0.2765 BTC [-] {3} 
611607;1397061373;benkay;claptastrophe
611608;1397061376;Naphex;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd3-PaqZGbA
611609;1397061377;ozbot;Rep Jared Polis (D-CO) Using The Robocoin ATM - YouTube
611610;1397061380;Naphex;like alien technology
611611;1397061384;Naphex;all gather around
611612;1397061440;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05527035 = 0.1658 BTC [-] {3} 
611613;1397061738;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/lOT2cr4
611614;1397061738;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
611615;1397061740;nubbins`;rough draft
611616;1397061752;nubbins`;comments welcome but will likely be discarded ;D
611617;1397061821;benkay;hey nubbins` what did the CBC end up saying instead of dick surgery?
611618;1397061861;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Eye doesn't look to be inflamed
611619;1397061928;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3593 @ 0.0001237 = 0.4445 BTC [-] {7} 
611620;1397062075;BingoBoingo;news.slashdot.org/story/14/04/08/1449259/smart-car-tipping-trending-in-san-francisco
611621;1397062111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00096537 = 14.3357 BTC [-] {2} 
611622;1397062149;nubbins`;benkay: "D something surgery"
611623;1397062162;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: there's more than one way to make an eye pink ;p
611624;1397062192;nubbins`;iirc smartcar tipping was popular in amsterdam some years ago
611625;1397062199;nubbins`;pop 'em right into the canals
611626;1397062208;cgcardona_;nubbins`: $5 and not 0.1BTC ?
611627;1397062221;nubbins`;cgcardona_ inorite? shockin
611628;1397062231;cgcardona_;old skool
611629;1397062294;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0075 = 0.135 BTC [+]
611630;1397062343;nubbins`;altho we got our Square reader in the mail yesterday, so we'll accept credit cards at the merch table
611631;1397062454;benkay;ffs include an http at the front of your links BingoBoingo
611632;1397062478;BingoBoingo;benkay: That omission was intentional
611633;1397062481;nubbins`;heh
611634;1397062498;nubbins`;ffs set up your client properly benkay ;D
611635;1397062507;benkay;but hao
611636;1397062511;nubbins`;REGEX
611637;1397062513;benkay;i r no time hack irc
611638;1397062524;benkay;oh jesus and definitely no time to write regexen
611639;1397062529;cgcardona_;in soviet russia irc hacks you
611640;1397062553;nubbins`;and regex learns you
611641;1397062621;nubbins`;(swidt?)
611642;1397063394;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.056 = 0.28 BTC [+]
611643;1397065283;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05401 = 0.5401 BTC [-]
611644;1397065344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9359 @ 0.000965 = 9.0314 BTC [-]
611645;1397065405;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05385001 = 0.1616 BTC [-]
611646;1397065649;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00076 = 0.152 BTC [+]
611647;1397066381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05384834 = 0.1615 BTC [-] {2} 
611648;1397066818;mircea_popescu;pLambert yeah. imminently.
611649;1397066831;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller bitbet ain't paying cause it overpaid last month :D
611650;1397066858;mircea_popescu;jurov the payout must involve truly heroic effort << no, i'm just being blonde most of the time
611651;1397066954;mircea_popescu;<mike_c> visual inspection of code is a crappy way to test anyway. << it's good for some things, bad for others, not really optional imo
611652;1397067030;mircea_popescu;<mike_c> yes, it's not like france where they just take your whole paycheck and give you a few dollars a week for coffee and cigarettes. << zing lmao. what you say nao pankkake ? huh ? huh ?
611653;1397067043;asciilifeform;one day (tm) people will wake up and see that 'c machine', memory allocation in software, untyped pointers, etc. are dumb.
611654;1397067125;mircea_popescu;never!
611655;1397067130;mircea_popescu;you'rer just hating on their success
611656;1397067139;asciilifeform;lol
611657;1397067149;mircea_popescu;besides, i like dangling my own pointers damnit
611658;1397067180;asciilifeform;obligatory - naggum's bathtub:
611659;1397067182;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244575386963745@naggum.no.html
611660;1397067182;ozbot;Re: Lisp advocacy misadventures - Naggum cll archive
611661;1397067222;mircea_popescu;nubbins` your typeface mix sucks ass.
611662;1397067311;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform noob nagum. he thought security theatre was taking too much time in 2000
611663;1397067316;mircea_popescu;little did he know...
611664;1397067338;asciilifeform;little did they know, in 2014, about the uterus searches of 2030...
611665;1397067425;nubbins`;[15:03:22]  <io_error> Who the fuck is nubbins`` and why is he trying to scam me in PMs?
611666;1397067428;nubbins`;lelel.
611667;1397067451;nubbins`;i tell ya, this nick is scam-proof
611668;1397067457;robwhiz22;Hello.
611669;1397067473;fluffypony;robwhiz22: hi! asl?
611670;1397067475;jurov;asciilifeform some considered it dumb from the very beginning. but ended up with "worse is better"-like self-consolations
611671;1397067476;fluffypony;:-P
611672;1397067478;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: agreed
611673;1397067479;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60999998 BTC [+]
611674;1397067510;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu invited me in here.  I came in on Sunday but you were going to a Bat Mitzvah.
611675;1397067526;benkay;so what situation would lead to someone who accepted a funding action with btc after 1 block getting burned?
611676;1397067536;robwhiz22;Mircea, I sent you a proposal last week and you invited me in here for your answer.
611677;1397067554;*;fluffypony gets his dreidel and yarmulke
611678;1397067569;benkay;a fork immediately after the confirmation, which resolved to a branch in which the solo-conf transaction was not included?
611679;1397067576;mircea_popescu;robwhiz22 no, i merely pointed you out to here. i'm still not going to pm with you, and that's not likely to change.
611680;1397067591;mircea_popescu;if you keep pretending like you call the shots i'll simply ignore you.
611681;1397067594;mircea_popescu;we about clear ?
611682;1397067615;jurov;robwhiz22 you are having another super sikrit idea?
611683;1397067642;jurov;if its success relies on utmost secrecy then it's not so good idea anyway
611684;1397067675;nubbins`;^
611685;1397067698;mircea_popescu;moreover, the anonymous enjoys perfect secrecy of their ideas anyway.
611686;1397067714;*;fluffypony ponders
611687;1397067719;mircea_popescu;nobody notices what the bums do in the holes they inhabit, nobody notices what "ideas" anon ppl "have" etc.
611688;1397067806;bounce;.oO( perfect forward secrecy of ideas )
611689;1397067833;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, certainly you're the boss.
611690;1397067836;fluffypony;I find this a contentious issue...I agree that ideas are worthless, implementation is critical, but if implementation has already begun and the person seeks counsel/funding how much of that do they make public?
611691;1397067861;mircea_popescu;fluffypony if you stick around here you'll see great ideas being given away for free multiple times a week
611692;1397067876;mircea_popescu;and i do mean great, not in the sense of "tinker joe thinks this rocks after two beers".
611693;1397067878;pLambert;enough to make the people they are trying to get money from comfortable
611694;1397067890;fluffypony;pLambert: yeah there's the rub
611695;1397067905;benkay;the best way to make funders comfortable is by demonstrating competence.
611696;1397067908;pLambert;so, as much as you can give
611697;1397067910;benkay;past performance best indicator etc
611698;1397067926;mircea_popescu;dude get out. you got no money you're giving your entire idea away entirely for free to the people who have money.
611699;1397067928;mircea_popescu;all of it.
611700;1397067929;benkay;withholding throws red flags, an important note.
611701;1397067945;mircea_popescu;then maybe they give you the great opportunity to give the manother one. also for free.
611702;1397067951;mircea_popescu;then, maybe, perhaps, possibly, you actually have a name
611703;1397067956;mircea_popescu;and can begun getting paid.
611704;1397067966;fluffypony;benkay: agreed
611705;1397067977;mircea_popescu;this obnoxious pretentiousness where "you" have an idea and x has money and you're now equals is like... dream on, you'll be on sex and the city
611706;1397067981;mircea_popescu;as the cumrag.
611707;1397068017;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: are you talking to me or robwhatshisface?
611708;1397068038;mircea_popescu;neither, i was just sayin' generally.
611709;1397068042;fluffypony;ah ok
611710;1397068061;mike_c;if the 'idea is worthless' and the 'implementaion is critical', then why be afraid to discuss the idea no matter what stage you are at.
611711;1397068096;fluffypony;mike_c: I agree with that *at the idea stage*
611712;1397068121;nubbins`;wait, is fluffypony the guy with the fake wife?
611713;1397068124;mike_c;but once implementation has begun the idea suddently has value? ok..
611714;1397068127;fluffypony;nubbins`: LOL
611715;1397068150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 86.05453928 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 17 satoshi per share
611716;1397068158;fluffypony;nubbins`: I'll be sure to tell her she's fake :)
611717;1397068184;nubbins`;tyvm
611718;1397068197;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you hate blondies ?
611719;1397068210;nubbins`;not at all, my wife is blonder than that :D
611720;1397068220;*;fluffypony ^5 nubbins`
611721;1397068225;fluffypony;I never thought I'd marry a blonde
611722;1397068232;fluffypony;but they really are kinda fun
611723;1397068235;mircea_popescu;you hate girls that are too scatterbrained to buy nailpolish so they end up with hands in different colors ?
611724;1397068275;asciilifeform;;;google deng xiaoping cat colour
611725;1397068276;gribble;Deng Xiaoping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping>; Deng Xiaoping Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping_Theory>; Deng Xiaoping - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping>
611726;1397068279;mircea_popescu;fluffypony at the rate you're ghoing she's going to be here to cuss us all out in person.
611727;1397068286;fluffypony;hah
611728;1397068292;nubbins`;why do you think i hate women ;(
611729;1397068305;benkay;bad feminist
611730;1397068307;benkay;no nookie
611731;1397068335;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: just noticed that...the polish is temperature sensitive gel
611732;1397068335;mircea_popescu;^
611733;1397068339;fluffypony;LeChat Mood something
611734;1397068355;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/5VfFrqy.jpg
611735;1397068358;mircea_popescu;o so she had that finger up somewhere first foreals ?
611736;1397068361;*;fluffypony winks
611737;1397068364;fluffypony;don't you know it
611738;1397068371;asciilifeform;anyone remember liquid crystal pants?
611739;1397068377;mircea_popescu;ya lol
611740;1397068380;nubbins`;i remember hot wheels that did that
611741;1397068381;asciilifeform;and what supposedly accounted for their quick disappearance
611742;1397068384;nubbins`;and chip & pepper t-shirts
611743;1397068395;mircea_popescu;they should totally make these nailpolishes to react to whatever fuck hormones chicks have,
611744;1397068411;mircea_popescu;so the morning after her nails are white, and two weeks later it's bleedin' purple
611745;1397068412;asciilifeform;at some point 'flir' camera on phones will bring this game back.
611746;1397068431;fluffypony;hah
611747;1397068431;nubbins`;^
611748;1397068439;mircea_popescu;so you know, everyone in the bar knows who to hit on.
611749;1397068442;nubbins`;once again the public will know when your crotch is sweaty
611750;1397068446;mircea_popescu;maybe they could be free wirth obamacare
611751;1397068455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4000 @ 0.00012384 = 0.4954 BTC [-] {5} 
611752;1397068468;asciilifeform;it will do to 'pick uppery' what rifling did for small arms
611753;1397068472;nubbins`;we actually buy inks from the company that used to make those color-changing inks
611754;1397068479;nubbins`;not color-changing ones, but still
611755;1397068497;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ie, send everyone spinning ?
611756;1397068501;jurov;wut, temp sensitive nail polish?
611757;1397068520;fluffypony;jurov: yeah
611758;1397068527;mircea_popescu;anyway, please everyone don't read my supersikrit business idea
611759;1397068535;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla push ze logerase button pls.
611760;1397068537;fluffypony;http://www.salonsupplystore.co.za/introducing_lechat_perfect_match_mood_changing_colours
611761;1397068539;ozbot;Introducing LeChat Perfect Match Mood Changing Colours - Salon Supply Store
611762;1397068539;fluffypony;there you go
611763;1397068541;benkay;let me just go raise 5m for chemgineering
611764;1397068543;fluffypony;"mood" = temperature
611765;1397068546;fluffypony;apparently
611766;1397068555;nubbins`;natch
611767;1397068561;nubbins`;also lying=temperature
611768;1397068576;mircea_popescu;also catching her nail in the door = temperature.
611769;1397068582;asciilifeform;for some reason i picture the 'scope' as a gadget a la the MIT roulette cheating machine
611770;1397068583;benkay;fluffypony: so if there's an idea that's worthless, and the execution is everything, if you've made strides on execution that is a 'moat' in the parlance, ensaftifying your idea.
611771;1397068602;mircea_popescu;benkay you mean ensafeizing.
611772;1397068606;asciilifeform;to avoid having to aim the scope, it would have to be mounted on... the user's crotch level.
611773;1397068612;asciilifeform;(codpiece?)
611774;1397068615;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu - you wrote that you do not want to PM and that's not likely to change.  Could you therefore answer here to the proposal I submitted to Polimedia?
611775;1397068618;fluffypony;ensaftifying my shoelaces
611776;1397068618;jurov;benaky isn't fructifying the right word?
611777;1397068619;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hate to break it to you but crotch levels vary
611778;1397068619;thestringpuller;!last m s.mpoe
611779;1397068619;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.000965 BTC [-]
611780;1397068641;benkay;all these made up words
611781;1397068666;benkay;signifying the SAME DAMN THING
611782;1397068667;fluffypony;benkay: just to make sure I understand, you're talking about this: http://stocks.about.com/od/evaluatingstocks/a/072908moat.htm ?
611783;1397068673;mircea_popescu;dude naggum rules.
611784;1397068678;*;fluffypony doesn't know the parlance. at all.
611785;1397068691;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: i imagine you'd have to confess here wtf the 'proposal' is
611786;1397068697;mircea_popescu;Getting C programmers to understand that they cause the computer to do less than minimum is intractable.  They would not /use/ C if they understood this point, so if you actually cause them to understand it in the course of a discussion, you will only make them miserable and hate their lives.  People are pretty good at detecting that this is a likely outcome of thinking, and it takes conscious effort to brace yourself
611787;1397068697;mircea_popescu;and get through such experiences.  Most people are not willing even to /listen/ to arguments or information that could threaten their comfortable view of their own existence, much less think about it, so when you cannot answer a C programmer's "arguments" that his way of life is just great the way it is, it is a pretty good sign that you let him set the agenda once he realized that his way of life was under threat. Sin
611788;1397068698;mircea_popescu;ce you have nothing to defend, your self-preservation instinct will not activate hitherto unused parts of your brain to come up with reasons and rationalizations for what you have done, you will not be aware that you have been taken for a ride before it is over and you "lost".
611789;1397068698;asciilifeform;or else your answer wouldn't make sense
611790;1397068699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 895 @ 0.00038537 = 0.3449 BTC [-] {5} 
611791;1397068718;benkay;an acceptable first pass, fluffypony
611792;1397068728;*;fluffypony reads
611793;1397068784;mircea_popescu;"  If you deny people the opportunity to defend something they feel is under threat, however, some people go completely insane with rage and actually believe that you threaten them on purpose and that you willfully seek to destroy something very valuable to them."
611794;1397068800;mircea_popescu;therer you go asciilifeform. "is mp a psychopath ?!?!?!" "definitely! he aims to destroy our shit!!1"
611795;1397068866;asciilifeform;for those who never encountered naggum, he was a fellow who often bulldozed idiots as a public service, much like mircea_popescu.
611796;1397068926;asciilifeform;my collection of naggumiana:
611797;1397068927;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165
611798;1397068927;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, mircea_popescu has seen a proposal I submitted to polymedia and responded that "The best approach would be to join #bitcoin-assets on Freenode" and sent me a link ("http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-assets if you don't have a client handy") which is what I called an invitation.
611799;1397068927;ozbot;Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum
611800;1397068954;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, I would have preferred not to chat in here but of course am happy to do so if he requires it.
611801;1397068959;mircea_popescu;robwhiz22 i didn't see it. i just have a stock answer to all those that insist to aproach me personally as if we have some sort of a relationship.
611802;1397068961;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: what sense would the reply make to the rest of us if we don't know the question?
611803;1397068964;jurov;asciilifeform why all the rage..  just finish the damn time machine and force K&R to lisp instead on that PDP
611804;1397068974;mircea_popescu;that stock answer is, join here, build the relationship you seem to imagine you already have, talk after.
611805;1397068975;jurov;on gunpoint if need be
611806;1397069008;asciilifeform;jurov: may as well go back and zap the fellow responsible for tetraethyl lead in gasoline
611807;1397069016;mircea_popescu;why ?!
611808;1397069019;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, I see.
611809;1397069021;asciilifeform;boost 20th c. iq by a point or two
611810;1397069035;mircea_popescu;i'd just go back in time and fuck cleo.
611811;1397069042;asciilifeform;lol!
611812;1397069048;mircea_popescu;what!
611813;1397069061;asciilifeform;there was a great soviet cartoon about a kid who hates history class and then gets a time machine
611814;1397069075;asciilifeform;he goes back and kills... just about everyone he failed exams on
611815;1397069082;mircea_popescu;lmao
611816;1397069089;asciilifeform;goes home, and planet is run by intelligent fungi
611817;1397069096;asciilifeform;whos exam he... flunks
611818;1397069099;mircea_popescu;okok
611819;1397069104;mircea_popescu;i'd go back in time and fuck
611820;1397069107;mircea_popescu;cleo's still warm corpse.
611821;1397069126;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, I'm unclear about what kind of relationship you have in mind.
611822;1397069136;asciilifeform;;;google dear departed cadaver to enjoy
611823;1397069137;gribble;Lyrics: Dear Departed - Bob Kanefsky: <http://www.songworm.com/lyrics/songworm-parody/DearDeparted.html>; The Happy Haunted Horseshoe at the Magic Kingdom | DIS Blog: <http://blog.wdwinfo.com/2013/10/31/the-happy-haunted-horseshoe-at-the-magic-kingdom/>; The Crackle & The Static | Cadaver Club: <http://www.cadaverclub.com/?page_id=432>
611824;1397069185;mircea_popescu;robwhiz22 i don't have it in mind, you have it in mind. whatever it is in your mind that makes you think i could conceivably  give a shit about your proposal.
611825;1397069230;mircea_popescu;see if benkay sends me a proposal ima prolly read it. but you're not benkay.
611826;1397069241;mircea_popescu;so become benkay.
611827;1397069245;benkay;no don't its horrible
611828;1397069260;mircea_popescu;benkay don't worry, the past two dozen lines were all a setup for me to say "become benkay"
611829;1397069266;mircea_popescu;it's a calophilous thing.
611830;1397069270;fluffypony;yeah you'll have to have your nick highlighted in green on my client if you become benkay
611831;1397069310;bounce;including the thing about warm necrofilia?
611832;1397069311;mircea_popescu;hm i guess im the only one knowing what calophilous is supposed to mean.
611833;1397069332;fluffypony;probably, I've never heard the word
611834;1397069338;mircea_popescu;it's a love of the form of phrase, unrelated to meaning. a fixation with getting aliterations and formal perfection.
611835;1397069341;mircea_popescu;you know, like coders.
611836;1397069348;asciilifeform;tone poem
611837;1397069366;asciilifeform;(i believe that's the english term for it)
611838;1397069373;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it just denotes the general preocupation. doesn't have to be a poem
611839;1397069376;bounce;alliterative code. maybe the next scrum.
611840;1397069388;fluffypony;hah
611841;1397069396;mircea_popescu;just, anyone who is [excessively] preocupied with written form and style to the possible detriment of meaning = calophile
611842;1397069400;fluffypony;Poem Masters will ensure that code is sung
611843;1397069401;bounce;rhyming user stories
611844;1397069407;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, when I wrote you I quoted your announcement on cryptome in which you explicitly welcomed letters such as mine.  Whether you have any interest in anyhting beyond it, or since abandoned that interest, is up to you to communicate.
611845;1397069418;mircea_popescu;kalophilos, exists as such in german
611846;1397069447;mircea_popescu;is this related to the cardano in some manner ?
611847;1397069471;benkay;you thought 3 line method calls were a thing?
611848;1397069479;benkay;now all must also be haiku
611849;1397069480;benkay;and rhyme
611850;1397069481;benkay;GO
611851;1397069483;bounce;oh, who was that philosopher guy with the headcase for exactly that again? or rather, seeing more meaning in language than there possibly can be, neatly reasoning cause to be effect and vv
611852;1397069502;fluffypony;benkay: GO like the language, or must we just go?
611853;1397069513;benkay;it's injunctive.
611854;1397069519;fluffypony;or self-defining
611855;1397069524;mircea_popescu;bounce just about ... half of them ?
611856;1397069567;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, yes.  I opened my to you with:    Dear Polimedia,   \n   In casually researching the Cardano I came across your announcement on Cryptome: \n http://cryptome.org/2013/10/bitcoin-usb-gpg.htm \n Which includes, in part, "Critique of the product welcomed."
611857;1397069583;bounce;well a big name german guy entirely hung up on language, can't remember his name. there's gotta be irony in there somewhere.
611858;1397069588;mircea_popescu;aite, so go ahead an' critique it.
611859;1397069612;asciilifeform;interesting that someone might write a whatever re: cardano and not ask me.
611860;1397069613;robwhiz22;You have my letter.  The cardano is not fit for any purpose today.  (But this can change easily.)  Why don't you read my letter then.
611861;1397069615;bounce;it sux! -- there, universal critique of teh intarwebz. where's my cookie?
611862;1397069623;benkay;robwhiz22: share your shit.
611863;1397069629;benkay;stop derping and put it to the test.
611864;1397069652;asciilifeform;i especially look forward to hearing about how the widget is 'not fit for any purpose.'
611865;1397069656;bounce;a letter in the mail/ in braille/ to johnny quest/
611866;1397069660;asciilifeform;positively salivating!
611867;1397069661;mircea_popescu;robwhiz22 dude. i sent a letter to the guy running cryptome. because i know he's qualified. he published it. i see no problem with this. i am more than willing to extend the welcoming of critique to his readership, because if he judged this is a good idea i'm going on his hand.
611868;1397069676;benkay;worst case scenario you can replace me as class clown
611869;1397069679;*;benkay cartwheels off
611870;1397069691;mircea_popescu;i am however not transforming this into "please send me anon emails". you want to critique it, either publish it on cryptome, that critique, or on your blog, which i may eventually read if you're anybody
611871;1397069694;mircea_popescu;or else i guess here.
611872;1397069697;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, why don't you get your boss to accept my proposal and you can stop salivating :)
611873;1397069716;nubbins`;why don't we just keep this circular "discussion" going instead
611874;1397069716;fluffypony;lol
611875;1397069726;bounce;it's the cartwheels, I'm telling ya
611876;1397069732;nubbins`;art imitates life
611877;1397069735;mike_c;let me guess robwhiz22: you are charging for the full details of the critique.
611878;1397069750;mircea_popescu;no wai ?!
611879;1397069761;fluffypony;mike_c: also the contents of your computer has been encrypted...but for the very low fee of 10 BTC I can decrypt it for you
611880;1397069763;robwhiz22;mike_c - no not exactly.  I've written most of the details in the first email, and am including a proper well-edited write-up free of charge with the proposal.
611881;1397069782;mircea_popescu;suppose you just write the elevator speech in the next five minutes
611882;1397069797;benkay;or pastebin the letter
611883;1397069799;mircea_popescu;what am i, a highschool teacher, send me crap in double spaced comic sans fiont ?
611884;1397069800;benkay;save yourself some work
611885;1397069801;robwhiz22;suppose you read my email?  Don't you still have it?
611886;1397069819;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: cardano is co-authored by me & mp. not dictated by him as work for hire. (see s.nsa contract on mpex.co for who's who)
611887;1397069822;mircea_popescu;i'd rather read proposals for turkish soap pilots.
611888;1397069831;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: if you've something to suggest, please do it here
611889;1397069838;*;fluffypony starts writing a Turkish soap
611890;1397069862;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, I'm sorry.  He answered the email to Polimedia and called you the chief engineer - which is why I thought he was, 'your boss.'
611891;1397069883;mircea_popescu;what are you, from the 50s ? this is the 21st century, work relations are fluid.
611892;1397069884;nubbins`;this is painful
611893;1397069922;mike_c;this is obviously a weak attempt at extortion.  rob, you have picked the wrong victims.
611894;1397069939;mircea_popescu;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244575386963745@naggum.no.html << anyone wanna put this on reddit ?
611895;1397069940;ozbot;Re: Lisp advocacy misadventures - Naggum cll archive
611896;1397069951;robwhiz22;All right.  asciilifeform, in my critique I showed what you say makes you 'salivate' - obviously, without charge - as spec work. A proper write-up is incldued for free with a larger proposal.
611897;1397069972;mike_c;'included for free with receipt of payment'.
611898;1397069980;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.05686965 = 0.6824 BTC [+] {2} 
611899;1397069983;mircea_popescu;nubbins` can you draw this one ?
611900;1397069988;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: ok so you've formally confessed to being the earlier bozo.
611901;1397069989;robwhiz22;mike_c, no, you have misunderstood.  I included it in my email to Polimedia.
611902;1397070002;mircea_popescu;dont you mean polimedya /
611903;1397070032;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, I don't know. The address says "polimedia.us"
611904;1397070048;benkay;.bait
611905;1397070049;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2eiywadkV1qc3ldvo1_500.jpg
611906;1397070062;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform will you be terribly annoyed with me if i point out that in fact the "run fast and without making sense" approach appeals ?
611907;1397070079;Shakespeare;wow robwhiz22, stop being such a chore
611908;1397070082;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it had no appeal, who would do it
611909;1397070084;mircea_popescu;imh&uo, what's needed is a way to convert exploratory code from c to lisp, and have all old shit in lisp
611910;1397070087;Shakespeare;just say what you wanna say here and again
611911;1397070091;Shakespeare;it wont kill you
611912;1397070101;mircea_popescu;rather than take my ability away to write five bad lines of regex until i finally get grep to find what i wanted in the logs
611913;1397070131;bounce;"run nonsensically and slow" is rather popular these days too
611914;1397070145;bounce;as long as the "coding" is, er, "easy"?
611915;1397070145;mircea_popescu;that's the happy medium here, i tell you : hack the shit in c, then re-write it in lisp once it's in any seriousness going to be used by others for anything
611916;1397070152;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i use emacs and 'slime', personally. 'f1' key wired to 'eval sexpr in current cursor'
611917;1397070158;mircea_popescu;yea see ?
611918;1397070171;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=202
611919;1397070172;ozbot;Loper OS » Tim Daly on Symbolics Lisp Machines
611920;1397070172;mircea_popescu;it's not even anything else than *i don't think i could be bothered to use compuers at all without that*
611921;1397070173;asciilifeform;ooda loop
611922;1397070175;mircea_popescu;it's really that big
611923;1397070175;fluffypony;I use imacs! we have so much in common, asciilifeform
611924;1397070178;fluffypony;:-P
611925;1397070180;robwhiz22;This is how I started the email: "As described in your introduction to its specs, the Cardano it allows one point of certainty in an uncertain world . However insecure a computer might be to which it is connected, so long as a Cardano does not leave your possession, its private key can be relied on to work, and to be uncompromised, while it remains on the physical Cardano which does not export it under any circumstances.  Moreover, yo
611926;1397070180;robwhiz22;u can actually use that private key while preserving the above guarantees."
611927;1397070182;robwhiz22;You should read it.
611928;1397070183;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: the bathtub catapult has some potential
611929;1397070186;mike_c;satoshi hacked together bitcoin.  still waiting for that rewrite..
611930;1397070191;mircea_popescu;mike_c indeed.
611931;1397070210;fluffypony;mike_c: MagicalTux was rewriting in PHP, innit?
611932;1397070212;bounce;for me, the biggest off-putting thing to learning lisp keeps on being having to accept emacs in the deal.
611933;1397070224;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05799879 = 0.29 BTC [+]
611934;1397070236;daybyter;nah....you can use lisp with nano, too.
611935;1397070240;robwhiz22;I then stated: "As beautiful as the idea is, the Cardano in its present form is unfit for any purpose whatsoever, as I will prove shortly.  If interested in my follow-up proposal, I can prepare a more detailed overview detailing this conclusion.  The main points are summarized below."
611936;1397070241;Shakespeare;robwhiz22 dpaste it and link it here then
611937;1397070248;Shakespeare;you'll get the benefit of all eyes
611938;1397070257;asciilifeform;lisp, of whatever kind, without emacs, is quite like trying to do international business without knowing a word of english
611939;1397070259;asciilifeform;certainly possible
611940;1397070261;daybyter;but take a look at scheme. I prefer it over lisp now.
611941;1397070261;robwhiz22;That is not how product proposals work, Shakespeare.
611942;1397070272;mircea_popescu;i kinda like nano
611943;1397070277;Shakespeare;it is here
611944;1397070290;mircea_popescu;most of the trilema that's not written in vi is written in nano
611945;1397070292;bounce;used to use pico for ages.
611946;1397070298;asciilifeform;at the very least, you need an editor that will match parens and auto-indent for you
611947;1397070303;Shakespeare;mp is trying to tell you, you dont decide how things work
611948;1397070313;asciilifeform;and, preferably, can be wired to the evaluator for real-time experimentation
611949;1397070318;nubbins`;i still use pico when i have need to create flat text files
611950;1397070327;asciilifeform;this leaves... emacs+slime (and an obscure, experimental variant of 'vi')
611951;1397070327;nubbins`;(this isn't often)
611952;1397070328;robwhiz22;It would not be responsible disclosure if I were to pastebin the rest of hte email here.
611953;1397070335;nubbins`;^ AHA
611954;1397070339;nubbins`;now we're getting to it
611955;1397070355;Shakespeare;so you think it has a security flaw? then tell asciilifeform
611956;1397070358;Shakespeare;he made the damn thing
611957;1397070366;mike_c;how can you say it would not be responsible disclosure when that is exactly what the manufacturer is asking you to do.
611958;1397070372;nubbins`;^
611959;1397070378;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: you may wish to consider becoming distinguishable from a nigerian spammer
611960;1397070383;Shakespeare;also it isnt even in the wild
611961;1397070388;Shakespeare;you arent hurting anyone
611962;1397070391;nubbins`;/timer 15 ^
611963;1397070393;mircea_popescu;and moreover... the product is not deployed. any disclosure is responsible by definition
611964;1397070397;mircea_popescu;who the fuck's gonna be harmed, the flies ?
611965;1397070399;mike_c;sure it is, ascii uses it to generate his bitcoin wallets :)
611966;1397070405;robwhiz22;I wrote privately to the Polimedia office at the address at which the Cryptome announcement solicited feedback.
611967;1397070407;*;Shakespeare collects another coke
611968;1397070410;asciilifeform;mike_c: the rng.
611969;1397070434;asciilifeform;mike_c: 'everybody' is obsessed with the rng, but it's 1960s tech.
611970;1397070459;mike_c;not all of us can solder together our own trng
611971;1397070473;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULDtgnQ0fy4
611972;1397070474;ozbot;Dr. Seuss' Green Eggs and Ham - YouTube
611973;1397070502;asciilifeform;mike_c: invest in a soldering iron. you'll be surprised at what can be made just from what people throw away.
611974;1397070510;bounce;upshot of having tech development go much faster is that now, if you're trying to dig "forgotten" tech back up, the people who originally made it might still be alive. not so much with, oh, the roman taxi meter, or things like that.
611975;1397070524;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, if you like I can prepare the disclosure for public consumption.  You can then release it.  For obvious reasons of haste, I did not include a highly polished and edited write-up with the preliminary email.
611976;1397070551;robwhiz22;(But did included the main disclosures, which together make the current Cardano specs unfit for any purpose - although it is very close to being fit.)
611977;1397070577;nubbins`;so titillating
611978;1397070583;*;bounce proposes to include robwhiz22 in the premium version of the rng. such noise!
611979;1397070598;robwhiz22;You will have the write-up to do with as you want, including releasing as-is.  However I do not think that type of disclosure is necessary.  I would suggest you simply deploy the specific mitigations in the verison that ships.
611980;1397070605;mike_c;have you seen blogs.bitcoin-assets.com?  nobody polishes their turds around here.  just publish it.
611981;1397070617;mircea_popescu;i polish my turds ;/
611982;1397070624;asciilifeform;some folks flunked spam school. didn't read 'spam like a pro in 21 days!' very attentively.
611983;1397070639;mike_c;(nobody - mp).  and he's not mp.
611984;1397070643;robwhiz22;But to go back to my experience - overall all of the proposals of this type that I have written have been unpublished publicly. (i.e. for internal use.)
611985;1397070666;robwhiz22;I mean the ones that were accepted and paid for.  The ones that aren't accepted, I don't write.
611986;1397070676;mircea_popescu;i am not mp.
611987;1397070706;mike_c;;;ident mircea_popescu
611988;1397070706;gribble;Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
611989;1397070712;mike_c;indeed you are not.
611990;1397070714;mircea_popescu;hm. i gues i am.
611991;1397070720;mircea_popescu;also, the brain specialist.
611992;1397070759;asciilifeform;we're all bourbaki.
611993;1397070776;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform would you like to buy my "how to get laid in egypt if you had a time machine" guide ?
611994;1397070817;asciilifeform;i'll be sure to pick one up before rocketing off to visit the ancients.
611995;1397070930;mircea_popescu;do consider it. bonus : no syphilis.
611996;1397070939;mircea_popescu;also no aids.
611997;1397070947;robwhiz22;By the way I did not realize that you were not shipping this item at all, since I ran across a post that says it is shipping by xmas 2013, as well as I saw prototype that seemed nearly usable.
611998;1397070952;mircea_popescu;the worst a slutty pharaoh can give you is a little itchin'.
611999;1397070956;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1068 @ 0.00011803 = 0.1261 BTC [-] {3} 
612000;1397070984;mircea_popescu;robwhiz22 it's not shipping yet.
612001;1397070997;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, do you have a target date?
612002;1397070998;mircea_popescu;but nice going on the boundry checking lol. srsly, it works.
612003;1397071020;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
612004;1397071023;mircea_popescu;we had a few, but they eventually married asciilifeform
612005;1397071027;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 443.99, vol: 8359.37391303 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 439.01, vol: 10356.42525 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 444.6949, vol: 3915.71754561 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 465.0, vol: 73.10496054 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 440.78451, vol: 2176.43740000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 457.52625, vol: 0.74955489 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 461.17156151, vol: 55.29248739 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
612006;1397071038;BingoBoingo;;;more drama
612007;1397071038;gribble;Error: I haven't seen drama.
612008;1397071048;mircea_popescu;til gribs is blind
612009;1397071063;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, yes I thought also that it works and thought it might be shipping.  For security reasons it is obviously a great benefit if it is not quite clear whether it is shipping, to whom, and in what quantities.
612010;1397071090;mircea_popescu;also for insecurities reasons.
612011;1397071135;robwhiz22;yes, also for marketing reasons :)
612012;1397071186;robwhiz22;i.e. if there is a beta phase.
612013;1397071256;mircea_popescu;why's you lot so worried about teh cardano anyway ? it's just a strong crypto device with impenetrable rng, what of it ?
612014;1397071271;mircea_popescu;the world's going there anyway.
612015;1397071297;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, I agree with you.  I think it has a large market.
612016;1397071343;mircea_popescu;right right. anyway, review teh sec letters. nsa wants to talk it'd better not be sending me derpy proposals in the mail. get ready for a full exchange agreement, and i get to veto the next president.
612017;1397071348;mircea_popescu;i'm not the fucking french, a little respect wtf.
612018;1397071409;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, thank you for the compliment :) But the proposal is not the work of an organization.  I would, as stated, personally offer it.  As well it has its limits and must be taken in as just an internal proposal.
612019;1397071482;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, unlike the NSA which tends to hand-wave as they propose certain specific vulnerabilities without giving reasons, my reasoning is stated.  This is part of why it is a bit difficult to prepare the proposal in full and I don't do it except if an initial offer is accepted.
612020;1397071505;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05799 = 0.116 BTC [-]
612021;1397071521;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, i.e. because it must be well-thought out, detailed, and edited, with supporting arguments.  It is quite a bit of work to do an internal design proposal for these reasons.
612022;1397071726;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/French/comments/22ljai/potential_phonetic_translation_of_word_i_heard/
612023;1397071727;nubbins`;my sides
612024;1397071758;nubbins`;tldr: french guy is making out with girl in bar. she says "i'm pos". guy hears "io
612025;1397071765;nubbins`;"i'm pause" and rails her
612026;1397071810;benkay;robwhiz22: why not publish your letter to polimedia here?
612027;1397071860;nubbins`;but then he can't get paid
612028;1397071885;benkay;why, someone else's going to do the security proposal thinger for cash?
612029;1397071905;nubbins`;no, if he blows his wad here for free, he can
612030;1397071911;nubbins`;'t sell it
612031;1397071928;benkay;he sent polimedia a thing tho, right?
612032;1397071930;nubbins`;having major problems with the placement of my return key here today
612033;1397071938;nubbins`;afaik he sent a coles notes version without any details
612034;1397071955;nubbins`;"click here to subscribe and keep reading" sorta thing
612035;1397071982;robwhiz22;nubbins`, I am not exactly selling that.  I described it in full in the email, and I am happy to clean it up for public consumption for free, along with my follow-up proposal.
612036;1397071986;benkay;i want the notes!
612037;1397072005;nubbins`;robwhiz22: so what are you trying to sell?
612038;1397072006;robwhiz22;benkay - I didn't mean to cause you to want them.  For the moment they belong only to Polimedia.
612039;1397072024;punkman;such cocktease
612040;1397072028;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/LangoschMLB/status/453978433098633216
612041;1397072029;ozbot;Twitter / LangoschMLB: Well, if you don't like what ...
612042;1397072045;robwhiz22;if mircea_popescu wants he can release the write-up, I will clean it up as part of the follow-up proposal.
612043;1397072066;nubbins`;so you're selling... editing services?
612044;1397072069;robwhiz22;nubbins`, I submitted a proposal to Polimedia, as part of it I gave the "notes" benkay is referring to.  I didn't tease with the notes or allude to them.
612045;1397072075;benkay;mircea_popescu: would you pastebin the thing?
612046;1397072089;BingoBoingo;robwhiz22: I'll buy the notes you have so far for a princely 0.0025 BTC
612047;1397072114;kakobrekla;ill pay the same but have buttcoin instead
612048;1397072115;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0355 = 0.1065 BTC [+] {2} 
612049;1397072136;fluffypony;I'll pay double but in FluffyCoin
612050;1397072138;robwhiz22;BingoBoingo, this isn't an auction.  It is up to Polimedia to publish them when it is ready to do so.  (If it wants to.)
612051;1397072178;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05521002 = 0.5521 BTC [-] {3} 
612052;1397072182;robwhiz22;Other clients I've made such submissions to (who have paid for them) use the results very happily, but do not publish my work directly.  THat's the sense in which I meant it is internal.
612053;1397072193;BingoBoingo;Hmmm... mircea_popescu has been quite. I sense a Trilema coming
612054;1397072210;robwhiz22;He could be reading the emails.
612055;1397072220;robwhiz22;As I said, I didn't tease with the notes but summarized in full.
612056;1397072241;robwhiz22;Though I should edit them if they were to be posted publicly.  (Something I don't suggest at this stage.)
612057;1397072261;*;nubbins` groans
612058;1397072271;kakobrekla;whats this about anyway
612059;1397072273;benkay;his sides!
612060;1397072274;robwhiz22;I suggest if he likes hte notes, that he accept my proposal, wait to receive the results, and then he can publish if he feels the need.
612061;1397072279;nubbins`;kakobrekla, nobody fucking knows
612062;1397072283;kakobrekla;do we get to see buttcoin or not
612063;1397072309;nubbins`;the riddler here won't tell us
612064;1397072336;BingoBoingo;Fine, I'll offer 0.01 for an authenticated Buttcoin
612065;1397072353;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: I just made one in paint, will that do?
612066;1397072367;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: No, a sharpie is required
612067;1397072379;BingoBoingo;Or some off brand laundry marker if you are a heathen
612068;1397072383;fluffypony;lol
612069;1397072386;fluffypony;we don't get Sharpies here
612070;1397072426;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: It is less about the kind of marker and more what you do with it.
612071;1397072440;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: *wink*
612072;1397072506;BingoBoingo;;;google Trilema buttcoins nao
612073;1397072507;gribble;They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/>; Februarie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/02>
612074;1397072551;fluffypony;yeah that was mentioned earlier today
612075;1397072557;fluffypony;I've had enough scarring for one evening
612076;1397072560;nubbins`;you don't get sharpies?
612077;1397072561;fluffypony;scaring?
612078;1397072564;kakobrekla;use the fake wife?
612079;1397072564;nubbins`;where do you live, the moon? :(
612080;1397072579;fluffypony;nubbins`: apparently some stores do carry them, but they're uncommon. Staedler is massive.
612081;1397072589;robwhiz22;I have another commitment.  mircea_popescu thank you for taking the time to consider the proposals.  Please feel free to reply by email, including with any questions or clarificatoins.
612082;1397072589;nubbins`;what country?
612083;1397072590;fluffypony;kakobrekla: index finger or ring finger?
612084;1397072594;fluffypony;nubbins`: oh sorry, South Africa
612085;1397072596;nubbins`;ah
612086;1397072608;kakobrekla;what do you mean 'or' ?
612087;1397072621;nubbins`;wat se!
612088;1397072622;fluffypony;kakobrekla: and/or?
612089;1397072631;kakobrekla;i guess and would fit.
612090;1397072637;BingoBoingo;http://www.staedtler.com/en/products/markers-refill-ink/universal-pens/lumocolor-permanent-laundry-319-lm-permanent-laundry-marker/
612091;1397072640;fluffypony;nubbins`: ek se niks;)
612092;1397072652;nubbins`;:D
612093;1397072699;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: NO WAY! It has my name on the shirt!
612094;1397072708;fluffypony;well the short form anyway
612095;1397072713;fluffypony;it's like its fate
612096;1397072715;fluffypony;<3
612097;1397072728;kakobrekla;your name is Laundry ?
612098;1397072744;nubbins`;^
612099;1397072776;fluffypony;kakobrekla: Laundryopolous, actually
612100;1397072797;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: we just need to work out a message for you to write, so we know it is really you nao
612101;1397072807;kakobrekla;thats not a name.
612102;1397072820;fluffypony;kakobrekla: you caught me
612103;1397072837;kakobrekla;apparent as garr.
612104;1397072902;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/r4GoMbU
612105;1397072902;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
612106;1397073025;fluffypony;Ƀ1.4893
612107;1397073026;fluffypony;eugh
612108;1397073058;fluffypony;http://bitcoinsymbol.org <- they need to stfu
612109;1397073092;BingoBoingo;Garr:
612110;1397073093;BingoBoingo;http://www.lukegilman.com/high-on-the-hog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/alligator-gar-hunting-trini.jpg
612111;1397073188;kakobrekla;myea, hard to hide
612112;1397073232;BingoBoingo;Garr is one ugly fish
612113;1397073530;BingoBoingo;http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/Pages/SOUL_ReadTeach.html
612114;1397073531;ozbot;Readings & Teachings
612115;1397073734;BingoBoingo;http://deadspin.com/the-ultimate-warrior-was-an-insane-dick-1561275496
612116;1397073735;ozbot;The Ultimate Warrior Was An Insane Dick
612117;1397073836;pLambert;which is better, python or lisp?
612118;1397073963;BingoBoingo;Depends on what you are doing
612119;1397074055;Naphex;java?
612120;1397074056;Naphex;;o
612121;1397074057;fluffypony;pLambert: php all the way, this guy confirms: https://twitter.com/php_ceo/
612122;1397074074;daybyter;java!
612123;1397074127;pLambert;fluffypony: why does he use ALL CAPS?
612124;1397074138;fluffypony;pLambert: because he's the PHP CEO!
612125;1397074154;fluffypony;I'm sure this one hit hard: https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO/status/441222994296180736
612126;1397074154;Naphex;probably the fake php ceo
612127;1397074170;Naphex;real php ceo would use a mix of all caps, camel case, underlines, and dashes
612128;1397074187;fluffypony;hah hah
612129;1397074189;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1049 @ 0.00011721 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2} 
612130;1397074230;BingoBoingo;And B=======D
612131;1397074246;Naphex;they should've used that as a namespace separator
612132;1397074370;Shakespeare;this is kinda funny
612133;1397074371;Shakespeare;http://www.bloomberg.com/video/bitcoin-money-supply-lags-guatemalan-quetzal-UI5wDhT7RfqlWkKMRGTp2A.html
612134;1397074372;ozbot;Bitcoin Money Supply Lags Guatemalan Quetzal: Video - Bloomberg
612135;1397074407;kakobrekla;http://i.imgur.com/WRP5DsD.gif
612136;1397074428;benkay;whassat Shakespeare ?
612137;1397074448;Shakespeare;idiots showing data as if it matters
612138;1397074453;Shakespeare;and then derping
612139;1397074469;Shakespeare;shows USD supply as big boner and bitcoin as laughable
612140;1397074480;Shakespeare;it's only a couple mins
612141;1397074508;benkay;i guess cuz increase in monetary supply is good
612142;1397074555;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1094 @ 0.00011624 = 0.1272 BTC [-] {2} 
612143;1397074556;benkay;asciilifeform: what's the story with haskell?
612144;1397074636;Naphex;benkay: you use it to experiment and have some fun, then switch to something else for real life
612145;1397074677;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00011605 = 0.1161 BTC [+] {2} 
612146;1397074712;jurov;https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=994033 will be interesting how this sorts out
612147;1397074713;ozbot;994033 – Most StartSSL certs will stay compromised
612148;1397074743;kakobrekla;look jurov your friends
612149;1397074744;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563793.0
612150;1397074746;ozbot;New Shares on Bitcoin Bourse: Hedge Fund BTC "HFB"
612151;1397074800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1068 @ 0.00011596 = 0.1238 BTC [-] {3} 
612152;1397074947;jurov;;;later tell davout "We are searching for someone to help us lodge a complaint with AMF, can you recommend anyone? This bourse stuff is completely lame but he's too persistent."
612153;1397074948;gribble;The operation succeeded.
612154;1397074952;daybyter;Naphex: you do java?
612155;1397075061;Apocalyptic;jurov, i would go http://www.amf-france.org/Formulaires-et-declarations/Contact.html?lst_select_form_theme_id=signalement
612156;1397075090;jurov;i know but it's better to competently translate it to french
612157;1397075099;Apocalyptic;and on the scrolldown chose "Présomption d'offre irrégulière de produits ou de services financiers"
612158;1397075105;Naphex;daybyter: java, c, py, whatever i might need
612159;1397075119;Naphex;but for serious stuff i usually prefer java
612160;1397075124;daybyter;me too!
612161;1397075131;Naphex;throw in some C optimizations if things are slow
612162;1397075136;daybyter;I write trade stuff in java...
612163;1397075141;Apocalyptic;java...
612164;1397075189;benkay;ofc a java guy sez to abandon haskell for real world stuff
612165;1397075225;Apocalyptic;hum bitcointalk.org still haven't replaced their SSL cert
612166;1397075226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05689 = 0.512 BTC [+]
612167;1397075231;daybyter;https://github.com/ReAzem/cryptocoin-tradelib
612168;1397075240;MisterE;http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/04/edward-snowden-interview
612169;1397075240;ozbot;Snowden Speaks: A Vanity Fair Exclusive | Vanity Fair
612170;1397075324;jurov;Apocalyptic: how do you know? I rerequested them at comodo and they issued them with same date as original ones
612171;1397075350;Apocalyptic;jurov, that's weird
612172;1397075353;Diablo-D3;Apocalyptic: almost all of them dont change the date on the new ones
612173;1397075362;Apocalyptic;i assumed they would indeed update the date
612174;1397075399;Diablo-D3;why would they do something that makes sense
612175;1397075453;nubbins`;kako dat gif
612176;1397075745;nubbins`;" In response to whispers in the intelligence community that Snowden has “a doomsday cache� in his possession, Snowden retorts, “Who would set up a system that incentivizes others to kill them?�"
612177;1397075749;nubbins`;lel, +1
612178;1397075897;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.056 = 0.112 BTC [-]
612179;1397076114;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtiArBwMnTA
612180;1397076115;ozbot;The Birthday Party - King Ink Live LIVE - YouTube
612181;1397076333;jurov;http://pastebin.com/mAxugvj9 wooow that was quick
612182;1397076333;ozbot;Dear Jurov,    http://log.bitcoin-assets.com    now you talk about complaint on  - Pastebin.com
612183;1397076340;thestringpuller;nubbins`: i want to pay off the rest for that painting
612184;1397076347;thestringpuller;i know it won't make it to the conference
612185;1397076354;thestringpuller;but better late than never eh?
612186;1397076356;thestringpuller;;D
612187;1397076390;nubbins`;heh
612188;1397076394;nubbins`;indeed it is!
612189;1397076428;BingoBoingo;jurov: Does the dude do anything other than stalk you and make scams?
612190;1397076466;nubbins`;;;ticker --last
612191;1397076467;gribble;442.06
612192;1397076475;nubbins`;;;calc 400/[ticker --last]
612193;1397076476;gribble;0.904854544632
612194;1397076485;nubbins`;^ :)
612195;1397076489;jurov;if he stalked me he'd perhaps know i have no gold&silver company
612196;1397076512;mike_c;amf = sec?
612197;1397076518;jurov;yes
612198;1397076524;pankkake;"your shares will be frozen" now, that is actual blackmail
612199;1397076532;BingoBoingo;jurov: Never suggested he was effectual in it
612200;1397076546;jurov;yes, that will definitely go into the complaint
612201;1397076579;jurov;and the shares were almost completely useless since the beginning
612202;1397076651;jurov;but first, as per recent trilema recommendation, i shall comprehensively blog about it
612203;1397076783;jurov;"i will inform all shareholders about your doings."
612204;1397076792;kakobrekla;can we get the same message again, but this time without the shuffle() ?
612205;1397076793;jurov;lol the more i reread it the funnier it is
612206;1397076801;nubbins`;about your dongs
612207;1397076818;jurov;what is shuffled?
612208;1397076837;kakobrekla;nevermind, its a metajoke
612209;1397076843;fluffypony;right, bed time
612210;1397076846;fluffypony;night all
612211;1397076858;kakobrekla;but i feels good knowing at least someone is reading ze logs
612212;1397076863;kakobrekla;hi markus!
612213;1397076975;Apocalyptic;"money laundering like you do with gold &
612214;1397076977;Apocalyptic;silver company will bring you to prison!" dafuq
612215;1397076987;Apocalyptic;you're selling precious metals jurov ?
612216;1397077015;jurov;no, he thinks i'm with company together with forensick (martin)
612217;1397077026;jurov;but dunno if he actually sells metals, either
612218;1397077081;Apocalyptic;guy seems to be butthurt and scared pretty bad to write such a piece
612219;1397077111;jurov;he definitely is
612220;1397077335;Mats_cd03;fucking lol
612221;1397077347;Mats_cd03;> you are all only critic the people who are more clever than you!
612222;1397077373;jurov;--> dotcoin (5d10ab51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.16.171.81) is here ... welcome :)
612223;1397077386;dotcoin;hello jurov
612224;1397077399;dotcoin;once more a story from you
612225;1397077422;Mats_cd03;i hear dotcoin is a qt
612226;1397077424;dotcoin;tell me why you want file a complaint on AMF
612227;1397077452;BingoBoingo;Oh, I won't go hungry today. Not with Mr Word Salad here.
612228;1397077458;Apocalyptic;they're coming dotcoin, it's too late
612229;1397077483;Mats_cd03;what organization does he operate
612230;1397077497;jurov;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/new-shares-on-bitcoin-bourse-hedge-fund-btc-hfb.296970/
612231;1397077498;dotcoin;your name makes me afraid Apolcalyptic
612232;1397077498;ozbot;New Shares on Bitcoin Bourse: Hedge Fund BTC "HFB" | Bitcointa.lk
612233;1397077510;jurov;dotcoin if you did not lock your threads on trolltalk, i'd write this in all of them
612234;1397077515;Mats_cd03;oh yeah this guy
612235;1397077518;Apocalyptic;dotcoin, that's good
612236;1397077528;Mats_cd03;dotcoin, be a clever man and cut your losses
612237;1397077534;jurov;i don't need nor want to explain more
612238;1397077537;Mats_cd03;you are in shark waters not a kiddie pool
612239;1397077571;dotcoin;i like funny guys like you
612240;1397077591;Mats_cd03;youll enjoy a legal battle several years from now and end up indebted to creditors
612241;1397077601;dotcoin;no eggs and behind a keyboard
612242;1397077603;Mats_cd03;or maybe you'll just skip go, not collect 200, and go straight to prison
612243;1397077615;dotcoin;trolls day compled because no work?
612244;1397077629;Mats_cd03;have a nice day
612245;1397077678;dotcoin;So waste time here, tell the AMF they can sue me after they have declared Bitcoin as Money or currency, N8 at all
612246;1397077701;chairman_meow;!jd
612247;1397077722;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered
612248;1397077741;pankkake;dooglus stole it all?
612249;1397077748;chairman_meow;wtf
612250;1397077785;pankkake;!jd
612251;1397077806;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered
612252;1397077814;pankkake;definitively broken
612253;1397077845;chairman_meow;had a mini heart attack there. thought my coins were gone
612254;1397077857;mike_c;bang jd breaks when they change IP addresses
612255;1397077858;chairman_meow;are there any other gambling sites I can invest in?
612256;1397077878;chairman_meow;I dont wanna put all my coins in just-dive
612257;1397077884;chairman_meow;*dice
612258;1397077890;jurov;chairman_meow: how much?
612259;1397077907;chairman_meow;jurov: it doesnt matter really
612260;1397077909;pankkake;I tried https://ice-dice.com/ for a while, but I don't really have any reason to trust it
612261;1397077967;pankkake;a calculator of expected gains would be nice, as each have different invested/volume ratios, I suppose
612262;1397077974;wao-ender;chairman_meow: let's spin at https://coinroll.it/
612263;1397078011;chairman_meow;really, the owners of jd can run away with the money and live a good life
612264;1397078058;daybyter;any designers here interested to help with a smartphone app?
612265;1397078059;wao-ender;you mean dooglus?
612266;1397078062;mike_c;well, the invested/volume is constantly changing.  you can see historical monthly jd returns here: http://www.btcalpha.com/income/
612267;1397078126;pankkake;wild idea: create a meta investment arbitraging between dice sites
612268;1397078132;pankkake;of course, you're adding new risks
612269;1397078175;chairman_meow;arbitrage between dice sites? how?
612270;1397078178;mike_c;there's no arbitrage.  but you mean just switching like mining pools do?
612271;1397078197;pankkake;yes
612272;1397078233;mike_c;JD is 2 orders of magnitude bigger.  not sure there's much switching to be done.
612273;1397078236;thestringpuller;geeze #bitcoin-otc is just full of n00bs these days
612274;1397078240;pankkake;I see
612275;1397078240;thestringpuller;what the actual fuck
612276;1397078262;pankkake;or scammers posing as noobs?
612277;1397078280;thestringpuller;no otc is to buy/sell btc right
612278;1397078285;thestringpuller;no one is selling or buying
612279;1397078290;thestringpuller;they are just in their wanking off
612280;1397078308;thestringpuller;eternal september?
612281;1397078527;bounce;http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/04/06/the-1-new-paid-app-in-the-play-store-costs-4-has-over-10000-downloads-a-4-7-star-rating-and-its-a-total-scam/
612282;1397078564;bounce;app protects from malware by... er, giving you the ability to set and remove a check mark in a shield?
612283;1397078605;daybyter;my app could do more...
612284;1397078652;bounce;but does your app have a 4.7 star rating?
612285;1397078655;pankkake;I remember some similar windows applications, claimed to speed up your computer etc.
612286;1397078681;jurov;the monitor cleaner was better
612287;1397078686;pankkake;placebo applications
612288;1397079451;mircea_popescu;<nubbins`> http://imgur.com/r4GoMbU << that shit's creepy as fuck
612289;1397079491;chairman_meow;please don't be gayporn
612290;1397079581;jborkl;well it does kinda look like a goth dude with bib boobs
612291;1397079586;jborkl;big
612292;1397079636;mircea_popescu;<jurov> but first, as per recent trilema recommendation, i shall comprehensively blog about it << i'll tweet you.
612293;1397079670;mircea_popescu;<jurov> what is shuffled? << remember how the logs were messed up on april 1st ? and someone said "omfg the log now reads like the forum" ? well, that.
612294;1397079720;jurov;yes? i completely missed that up
612295;1397079733;kakobrekla;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=93
612296;1397079734;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets bash
612297;1397079782;bounce;unintentional correct use of term of art.
612298;1397079784;mircea_popescu;eval(translate(intoalanguage(<dotcoin> trolls day compled because no work?))) === ?
612299;1397079893;jborkl;mircea, I have about half of bcoinnews.com redone - see if you think it is too busy when you have a sec
612300;1397079928;jborkl;If you don't mind :)
612301;1397080052;mircea_popescu;jborkl http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140409_25_11JA/
612302;1397080059;mircea_popescu;main problem would be... it takes like a minute to pop.
612303;1397080090;jborkl;ah ok, I know what to do about that then- thank you
612304;1397080105;mircea_popescu;also i dunno why you'd recommend anyone upgrade to 9.1. more like downgrade to 6.3 or something.
612305;1397080135;jborkl;well, anthing before .8 wont work anymore right?
612306;1397080135;mircea_popescu;http://www.bcoinnews.com/kncminer-neptune-update/ < i see three boxes around article. any reason ?
612307;1397080138;ozbot;KNCminer Neptune update | Bitcoin news
612308;1397080139;mircea_popescu;but otherwise imo much improvement.
612309;1397080146;mircea_popescu;jborkl .4 works, what, you kidding ?
612310;1397080165;jborkl;I thought they switched DB and said it was not compatible
612311;1397080179;jborkl;maybe they just said that
612312;1397080203;jborkl;never actually tried it to see, oh mining against bitcoind wouldnt work
612313;1397080216;jborkl;if you did not switch
612314;1397080228;mircea_popescu;it works just fine, you have to actually add a db config
612315;1397080427;jborkl;well, I know if you upgraded to the .8? or newer you would then have to dl the old blockchain to use a prior version. I remember it created - anyway I did not know you could still use the old versions
612316;1397080433;jborkl;very good to know
612317;1397080492;mircea_popescu;sure you can use them. the last hardfork was made by satoshi himself, if memory serves moving from .3
612318;1397080515;mircea_popescu;nobody hence perceived he'd have the authority to do so (and rightly)
612319;1397080560;thestringpuller;so version .9 is completely broken?
612320;1397080580;thestringpuller;it seems we are better off writing our own bitcoin client at this point...
612321;1397080591;thestringpuller;;;google site:trilema.com bitcoind
612322;1397080592;gribble;Bitcoind : not quite ready for prime time pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time>; Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-was-written-by-the-retarded-part-ii/>; It's called Eulora pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/its-called-eulora>
612323;1397080779;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller more implementations can't hurt.
612324;1397080807;jborkl;fixed that strangeness with the borders, for some reason WP decided it needed a bunch of <tr> and <td> tags
612325;1397080817;mircea_popescu;but i wouldn't trust anything coming from the powerfully retarded rangers. they tried to get heartbleed into bitcoin, who knows what else they've baked into there we don't know about.
612326;1397080820;chairman_meow;!jd
612327;1397080841;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 0 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 0.00 mio bets, 0.00 mio BTC wagered
612328;1397080841;mircea_popescu;might as well just deposit your btc with the local court if you swing that way.
612329;1397080845;jborkl;well, they did give us the hardfork a year ago..
612330;1397080856;mircea_popescu;it didn't actually fork tho.
612331;1397080861;Apocalyptic;mighty hearn did
612332;1397080886;pankkake;I like this in 0.9: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2121
612333;1397080890;asciilifeform;if i recall, bitcoind has some relatively 'dirty' (changes in recent years) library deps
612334;1397080900;asciilifeform;berkeley db?
612335;1397080901;jborkl;well yes you are correct. it went the wrong direction lol
612336;1397080917;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04849999 = 0.291 BTC [+] {3} 
612337;1397080918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03540005 = 0.1416 BTC [-] {2} 
612338;1397080927;mircea_popescu;yeah bdb
612339;1397080940;asciilifeform;'you may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.'
612340;1397080948;jborkl;iirc it was a block that had over 1000 transaction in it
612341;1397080972;jborkl;and they didnt test that out first to see what happened
612342;1397081059;jborkl;Slush took a left and everyone else took a right
612343;1397081102;chairman_meow;there was summation bug that allowed a transaction to output a truckload of coins
612344;1397081121;chairman_meow;when it was fixed, the chain was hard forked
612345;1397081184;mircea_popescu;chairman_meow this in like 2010 tho
612346;1397082236;jborkl;mircea, I just went ahead and got a VPS
612347;1397082250;jborkl;I needed root anyway
612348;1397082297;benkay;asciilifeform: would protobufs be one of those dirty changes?
612349;1397082330;asciilifeform;quite a few. dig if you like.
612350;1397082372;asciilifeform;think like enemy. where would you put the surprise egg?
612351;1397082465;Mats_cd03;in my butt
612352;1397082503;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03504 = 0.1752 BTC [-] {3} 
612353;1397082504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0485 = 0.2425 BTC [+] {3} 
612354;1397082505;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] {2} 
612355;1397082991;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 33 @ 0.00758175 = 0.2502 BTC [+] {6} 
612356;1397083716;jurov;http://explo.yt/post/2014/04/10/BitcoinBeware davout mircea_popescu
612357;1397083717;ozbot;BitcoinBeware - serialized delusions
612358;1397083781;pankkake;shouldn't it be "I invested" instead of "I have invested"?
612359;1397083846;jurov;changed into "I did invest"
612360;1397083851;jurov;anything else?
612361;1397083886;pankkake;missing space after December 2013: (always irks me :p)
612362;1397083944;nubbins`;found some massive scallops in the freezer
612363;1397083946;Shakespeare;non-existant
612364;1397083950;Shakespeare;non-existent*
612365;1397083950;nubbins`;just had an epic dinner with them
612366;1397083979;nubbins`;;;google .yt tld
612367;1397083980;gribble;.yt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.yt>; Register .YT Domain: Buy TLD Extension/Suffix Mayotte, Registrar ...: <https://iwantmyname.com/domains/yt-mahoran-domain-name-registration-for-mayotte>; yt Domains - Domain Who is by 101Domain.com: <http://www.101domain.com/yt.htm>
612368;1397084007;nubbins`;well, TIL.
612369;1397084112;nubbins`;so my friend was over earlier and he showed me this new book he'd bought
612370;1397084121;nubbins`;it's an exact reprinting of the first edition of the king james bible
612371;1397084133;nubbins`;complete with typos, typesetting errors, etc
612372;1397084145;nubbins`;lots of paragraph marks, entire blank pages, etc
612373;1397084160;nubbins`;apparently this caused no small amount of consternation when first published
612374;1397084385;jurov;thx pankkake
612375;1397084603;mike_c;great post jurov.  "no one was interested to buy my shares" -> "no one was interested in buying my shares".
612376;1397084657;jurov;yup
612377;1397084666;mircea_popescu;btw if we ever actually start a religion, we can have the reincarnation cycle.
612378;1397084674;mircea_popescu;bad doobies have to hash by hand until they find a block
612379;1397084676;mircea_popescu;that's nirvana
612380;1397084821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.00014506 = 0.116 BTC [-] {5} 
612381;1397084842;cgcardona_;Church of Sudo. Cult of the Super User. Order of Root.
612382;1397084854;cgcardona_;those are some names I've kicked around
612383;1397084881;cgcardona_;"In Crypto We Trust" "In the BlockChain We Trust" "We are One on the Web"
612384;1397084900;cgcardona_;(regarding the 'if we ever actually start a religion' comment)
612385;1397084935;mike_c;I was looking at armory the other day and they mentioned they were never going to cut the cord with bitcoind for fear of creating a fork.
612386;1397084948;Mats_cd03;hmm s.mpoe is back to 0.000965
612387;1397084971;mike_c;it seems having a popular alternate client is actually a good opportunity to write a new client by calculating shit yourself and comparing against what bitcoind does.
612388;1397084994;mike_c;lots of in-the-wild use, meaning lots of test cases
612389;1397085023;pankkake;and yet it's now storing a whole separate indexed blockchain
612390;1397085038;pankkake;so bitcoind isn't used for much except read blocks and push txs
612391;1397085099;mike_c;and it doesn't seem hard to process those yourself, and then see if your code would have done the same thing.
612392;1397085119;mike_c;if no 'virtual forks' for a year, then presto. new reference client.
612393;1397085123;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=343503.0
612394;1397085125;ozbot;[ANN] Protocoin - a pure Python Bitcoin protocol implementation
612395;1397085183;dignork;pankkake, there is pretty usefull SPV electrum client, no bitcoind marriage
612396;1397085211;pankkake;but I suppose the electrum servers rely on bitcoind
612397;1397085221;dignork;pankkake, yep
612398;1397085313;jurov;they are dreaming about rebuilding electrum server on sx, but i don't cross my fingers
612399;1397085412;jurov;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/454029472757719040 thanks!
612400;1397085412;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Jurov sez beware ...
612401;1397085736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11468 @ 0.00096258 = 11.0389 BTC [-] {2} 
612402;1397086259;Duffer1;what do you guys use for IRC?
612403;1397086279;Duffer1;mirc/xchat?
612404;1397086348;Azelphur;TIME TO MAKE EVERYONE HATE ME. Pidgin.
612405;1397086368;Duffer1;"P
612406;1397086370;Duffer1;:P
612407;1397086376;dignork;Duffer1, weechat
612408;1397086468;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
612409;1397086480;thestringpuller;Duffer1: pm
612410;1397086527;pankkake;irssi, planning to go weechat one day
612411;1397086609;Duffer1;thanks i'll check them out
612412;1397086935;Azelphur;In other news, I met some guy today locally because he wants to set up a bitcoin meetup in my area, he's not very techy just interested in coin, he casually mentioned to me he bought a BFL miner and that he plugged the supply into UK mains and blew it and asked if I could help, went and took a look...
612413;1397086944;Azelphur;turns out he had a BFL SC Single, sitting in the box doing nothing...since November
612414;1397086951;Azelphur;I still can't believe that just happened
612415;1397087018;Azelphur;for those not in the know, if he had that running since November, he'd have made about $20k worth of BTC.
612416;1397087030;Duffer1;did you tell him?
612417;1397087039;Azelphur;yup
612418;1397087050;Duffer1;did he cry?
612419;1397087058;Azelphur;he was just like "Oh well"
612420;1397087091;Duffer1;poor guy
612421;1397087097;Azelphur;indeed
612422;1397087195;Mats_cd03;Duffer1: irccloud is the tits
612423;1397087241;Duffer1;thanks Mats
612424;1397087302;mod6;Duffer1: irssi++
612425;1397087366;mod6;used to use BitchX like 15 years ago or more. finally, after years of people telling me about irssi, switched.
612426;1397087466;Duffer1;i'm tired of browser IRC, time to get a real program
612427;1397087506;pankkake;xchat is probably the easiest to start with
612428;1397087508;mod6;yeah, its nice to get a client running on a *nix host, if for no other reason, you can run it in a screen session and then attach/detach
612429;1397087509;Mats_cd03;i rather like browser irc, irccloud maintains a persistent connection
612430;1397087528;Mats_cd03;so its basically screen/irssi without any hassle
612431;1397087550;Duffer1;but i don't irc anywhere other than my desktop anyways though
612432;1397087569;Mats_cd03;https://public.bn1.livefilestore.com/y2phoIfiYJoK42afiJxQTf_9u5b01-x2I939I7u32nHqsKxuoOKDwJxl70MjD6CjeetX5FMJxUMStObRmMVApTxFRu49kRktBJO90g9OjqGCSo/IRC%20Cloud%20Channel%20Screenshot%201.png?psid=1&rdrts=71711565
612433;1397087574;mod6;hassle!?
612434;1397087590;mod6;no hassle with nix+screen+irssi ;)
612435;1397087596;Mats_cd03;yes, i find using terminal on my phone tedious
612436;1397087619;mod6;oh. well, lol.
612437;1397087624;mod6;get a computer?
612438;1397087626;pankkake;if you're a heavy irc user, then irssi certainly isn't a hassle
612439;1397087634;Mats_cd03;(irccloud has an android client)
612440;1397087650;pankkake;it's also my IM client (through minbif)
612441;1397087657;Mats_cd03;i know im shilling hard here but seriously its good
612442;1397087675;Duffer1;hehe
612443;1397087675;mod6;ive used my screen+irssi via connectbot on my phone a bunch. works for reading stuff, but not so great for conversing. better to just read the log instead.
612444;1397087683;benkay;(erc)
612445;1397087688;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3100 @ 0.0001152 = 0.3571 BTC [-] {4} 
612446;1397087759;dignork;screen+weechat over mosh, absolutely amazing!
612447;1397087759;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
612448;1397087845;dignork;are there any other words that assbot is excited about?
612449;1397087850;phf;benkay: the only client there is
612450;1397087889;mod6;omg yikes, an emacs client?!
612451;1397087901;*;mod6 runs
612452;1397087993;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05553388 = 1.1107 BTC [-] {5} 
612453;1397088000;dignork;kryydf, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/IRC_channels , but most of them are kinda empty
612454;1397088012;dignork;wrong window :)
612455;1397088118;mod6;one thing that i seem to remember that I didn't like (many many moons ago) about xchat is that if you derp-paste a bunch of stuff into the wrong window, it doens't ask you if you're sure you'd like to do spammy paste.
612456;1397088139;mod6;irssi does ask, on the other hand.
612457;1397088149;mod6;CTRL+K to paste spam
612458;1397088185;dignork;mod6, weechat blocks it too
612459;1397088193;mod6;ahh coo
612460;1397088230;thestringpuller;oh look who finally decides to show up
612461;1397088235;*;thestringpuller looks at mod6
612462;1397088238;thestringpuller;lol
612463;1397088245;mod6;ahh looks reasonable, dignork
612464;1397088252;mod6;lol thestringpuller
612465;1397088259;mod6;got my teef drilled. ugh.
612466;1397088271;mod6;my entire face is numb.
612467;1397088278;mod6;they loaded me up.
612468;1397088342;*;mod6 drools
612469;1397088450;*;jurov uses Konversation. tried irssi but it was a pain
612470;1397088479;mod6;couldn't get it configured?
612471;1397088489;mod6;(the way you wanted it)
612472;1397088542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 10000 @ 0.00010619 = 1.0619 BTC [-] {20} 
612473;1397088612;jurov;not sure if the window management can be configured to get at least halfway to my mental model
612474;1397088632;mod6;ah
612475;1397088634;jurov;and i was also "lucky" to run into 6yr old bugs with otr
612476;1397088683;dignork;jurov, try weechat, no stick/unstick madness, and otr works too
612477;1397088691;pankkake;irssi otr known to be buggy
612478;1397088703;dignork;done shilling for today
612479;1397088711;jurov;i just funded development of spiffy znc-otr plugin
612480;1397088713;Duffer1;stick/unstick?
612481;1397088729;jurov;https://github.com/mmilata/znc-otr
612482;1397088740;dignork;Duffer1, irssi has a weird idea about split-window functionality
612483;1397088742;jurov;so i don't have to stick to one client
612484;1397088758;Duffer1;isee
612485;1397088767;*;mod6 has never used split
612486;1397088794;*;dignork has a hude monitor, one window is too depressing
612487;1397088799;dignork;*huge
612488;1397088828;mod6;ah.
612489;1397088908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 20000 @ 0.00006848 = 1.3696 BTC [-] {36} 
612490;1397088969;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 17500 @ 0.00013371 = 2.3399 BTC [-] {16} 
612491;1397088980;jurov;oh and original znc-otr succeeded to crash weechat's otr
612492;1397088998;jurov;so i'm not going to trust that one, too :)
612493;1397089091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00096551 = 24.0412 BTC [+]
612494;1397089189;dignork;jurov, i have otr in weechat, want to try crushing it? just curious.
612495;1397089640;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 148 @ 0.00075999 = 0.1125 BTC [-] {2} 
612496;1397089701;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 339 @ 0.00077999 = 0.2644 BTC [+] {2} 
612497;1397089779;dignork;Sammey, printf("We're all going to die\n");
612498;1397089800;dignork;dammit, multi-window has it problems
612499;1397089815;thestringpuller;lol otr
612500;1397089851;dignork;thestringpuller, but why?
612501;1397089904;thestringpuller;no i was saying it's good stuff
612502;1397089931;thestringpuller;i was just lol'ing cause i've talked about otr unrelated to this channel today; so lol'ing at the coincidence
612503;1397090250;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 9 @ 0.01799222 = 0.1619 BTC [+] {2} 
612504;1397090998;decimation;mircea_popescu: "kalophilos, exists as such in german" << I see what you did there
612505;1397091104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.035125 = 0.1405 BTC [-] {2} 
612506;1397091287;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00584957 = 0.1404 BTC [+] {2} 
612507;1397091470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.05552202 = 0.8328 BTC [-] {4} 
612508;1397091679;SatoshiJack;;;ident
612509;1397091679;gribble;Nick 'SatoshiJack', with hostmask 'SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18', is identified as user 'SatoshiJack', with GPG key id 5A0C8593D887E89E, key fingerprint BFAC5777A91C88D4F021C28B5A0C8593D887E89E, and bitcoin address None
612510;1397092141;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03439166 = 0.4127 BTC [-] {6} 
612511;1397092168;TestingUnoDosTre;.d
612512;1397092168;ozbot;6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1327 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.8349% in 8d 20h 31m 57s
612513;1397092300;TestingUnoDosTre;;;ticker
612514;1397092302;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 440.71, Best ask: 442.09, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 440.71, 24 hour volume: 7899.65578584, 24 hour low: 438.08, 24 hour high: 457.3, 24 hour vwap: 446.436343416
612515;1397092556;benkay;thestringpuller: ping
612516;1397092710;mod6;whats up benkay, thestringpuller is in transit or something
612517;1397092722;benkay;cool
612518;1397092734;mod6;so he pushed us back a bit, which works fine for me.
612519;1397092752;benkay;ah neat
612520;1397093183;nubbins`;https://medium.com/matter/22979c8ec9d6
612521;1397093300;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0555008 = 1.3875 BTC [-] {2} 
612522;1397093523;Mats_cd03;;;commands
612523;1397093524;gribble;8ball, ?, about, action, add, alert, alias, allvwap, announce, announce add, announce list, announce remove, any, aol, apply, apropos, asks, at, auth, author, avgprc, balance, ban add, ban list, ban remove, baratio, base, bashorg, bc,24hprc, bc,bear, bc,bitpenny, bc,blocks, bc,btcguild, bc,bull, bc,calc, bc,convert, bc,deepbit, bc,eligius, bc,fx, bc,gen, bc,help, bc,intersango, (10 more messages)
612524;1397093530;Mats_cd03;;;seen cads
612525;1397093530;gribble;cads was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 0 hours, 8 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <cads> being Professor Cads in an underground university
612526;1397093549;Mats_cd03;hes dead
612527;1397093825;mikaeldice;;;aol
612528;1397093825;gribble;(aol <text>) -- Returns <text> as if an AOLuser had said it.
612529;1397093870;nubbins`;;;aol i wonder what this will do to my text
612530;1397093870;gribble;i wonder what this will do 2 my text:):):)
612531;1397093877;mikaeldice;;;aol I want to invest in bitcoin securities
612532;1397093877;gribble;I want 2 invest in bitcoin securities:-D:-D:-D
612533;1397093885;nubbins`;;;aol heh
612534;1397093886;gribble;heh:-):-):-)
612535;1397093897;mikaeldice;It's just like bitcointalk
612536;1397094077;TestingUnoDosTre;;;halfreward
612537;1397094077;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Wed Aug 24 22:01:08 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 2 years, 19 weeks, 4 days, 20 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.
612538;1397094103;TestingUnoDosTre;Y3K
612539;1397094173;TestingUnoDosTre;;;nethash
612540;1397094174;gribble;46351402.5937
612541;1397094286;mike_c;i butthurt gribble.  <gribble> You've given me 12 commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 5 minutes.
612542;1397094337;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.05523061 = 2.2092 BTC [-] {6} 
612543;1397094439;TestingUnoDosTre;what are your thoughts on the price spike of btc so close to the block reward halving?
612544;1397094547;Mats_cd03;good news
612545;1397094586;TestingUnoDosTre;but were they entirely related?
612546;1397094605;benkay;when was the last halvening?
612547;1397094610;TestingUnoDosTre;November 28, 2013
612548;1397094640;TestingUnoDosTre;bitstamp high happened November 30, 2013
612549;1397094732;TestingUnoDosTre;Bueller?
612550;1397094867;mike_c;unrelated.  plus, who cares.  next one isn't for 2 years.
612551;1397094885;benkay;supply and demand curves always hold, mike_c
612552;1397094918;mike_c;yes.. but supply != block reward
612553;1397094923;TestingUnoDosTre;I cares
612554;1397094939;benkay;you're entirely wrong.
612555;1397094961;mike_c;oh yeah? well, YOU'RE entirely wrong.
612556;1397094970;benkay;supply is that which is constant!
612557;1397094992;TestingUnoDosTre;if you're talking about mined BTC, that supply definitely dropped
612558;1397095004;TestingUnoDosTre;say like, 50 percent
612559;1397095010;benkay;the only constant input in the system is the mining reward
612560;1397095014;benkay;sorry that was rude of me, mike_c
612561;1397095060;mike_c;(not butthurt).  but the system being discussed is supply on the exchanges.  which is not equal to freshly mined coins.  many other factors.
612562;1397095101;benkay;input into system
612563;1397095130;TestingUnoDosTre;ooo I like that... like a thermodynamics equation
612564;1397095337;benkay;only valid frame of reference, TestingUnoDosTre
612565;1397095346;jborkl;Benkay is right supply is static, it is demand we don't know about
612566;1397095363;TestingUnoDosTre;how is supply static?
612567;1397095368;TestingUnoDosTre;*during a diff change
612568;1397095368;jborkl;We know how many btc there will be next year
612569;1397095374;TestingUnoDosTre;approximately
612570;1397095378;benkay;we know how many btc there will be per block
612571;1397095383;mike_c;it's not static.  supply is not how many btc there are, it's how many are for sale.
612572;1397095400;jborkl;That is demand
612573;1397095408;mike_c;no, buyers are demand.  sellers are supply
612574;1397095418;benkay;supply is input into the system
612575;1397095428;jborkl;^
612576;1397095431;benkay;its the only way you can make the thing conserve
612577;1397095436;benkay;which is the whole damn point
612578;1397095437;mike_c;for instance, mp has a bunch of coins.  they are not supply because they are not for sale.
612579;1397095450;jborkl;That is not more coons
612580;1397095453;jborkl;Coins
612581;1397095454;benkay;yeah
612582;1397095458;benkay;heh
612583;1397095467;jborkl;Heh badbtypo
612584;1397095471;benkay;a hoard is in no sense supply
612585;1397095478;TestingUnoDosTre;they will be if Bitcoin does worse than BRK-A this year
612586;1397095485;mike_c;right. and if miners are hoarding coins, block reward is not supply
612587;1397095496;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1715 @ 0.000064 = 0.1098 BTC [-] {2} 
612588;1397095537;benkay;mike_c: have you ever done the physics thing where you draw a circle around a system and label ins and outs?
612589;1397095561;TestingUnoDosTre;;;google physics mass balance
612590;1397095562;gribble;Background on Mass, Weight and Density - UCLA Physics ...: <http://www.physics.ucla.edu/k-6connection/Mass,w,d.htm>; Center of Mass | Circus Physics | Classroom | Circus | PBS: <http://www.pbs.org/opb/circus/classroom/circus-physics/center-mass/>; Activity Guide: Center of Mass | Circus Physics | Classroom ... - PBS: <http://www.pbs.org/opb/circus/classroom/circus-physics (1 more message)
612591;1397095625;mike_c;http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/
612592;1397095626;ozbot;Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
612593;1397095758;mike_c;benkay: it is fine to say it is an input.  but i am saying it is a miniscule part of the equation.
612594;1397095760;TestingUnoDosTre;His example is slightly hogwash, as mtcox falsely increased the supply of bitcoins, and the price still increased.
612595;1397095837;jborkl;Bugpowder was a excellent trader
612596;1397095849;jborkl;That is to what he is referring
612597;1397095860;jborkl;Short term sentiment
612598;1397095917;thestringpuller;Bugpowder was a compulsive gambler too.
612599;1397095934;jborkl;And if mtgox inflated the supply of coins so the price should have been depressed
612600;1397095953;jborkl;I did not say he was a good gambler
612601;1397095961;jborkl;He was not good at that
612602;1397096350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13532 @ 0.000962 = 13.0178 BTC [-]
612603;1397096550;TestingUnoDosTre;jborkl, what was your point. I didn't understand - what was bugpowder talking about?
612604;1397096992;Mats_cd03;http://hantim.ru/jobs/30698-revers-inzhener ministry of defense looking for a reverse engineer lol
612605;1397097035;Mats_cd03;i wonder what the benefits are like
612606;1397097078;Shakespeare;"This episode of CSI is so (adjective I forgot), the only way to experience it is to watch!"
612607;1397097081;Shakespeare;sigh...
612608;1397097194;TestingUnoDosTre;;;nextretarget
612609;1397097194;gribble;296351
612610;1397097270;TestingUnoDosTre;wait a tick. The last block reward  halving was November 28, 2012. DOH
612611;1397097467;mike_c;see, i told you it wasn't an input ;)
612612;1397097497;benkay;there were serious distortions in the market over the past year
612613;1397097567;TestingUnoDosTre;no disagreement there
612614;1397097867;Shakespeare;facebook lols: I made a post briefing normals on heartbleed and the general concept that internet privacy doesnt really exist. Here's the best response so far: "Is Lifelock an answer?"
612615;1397097931;TestingUnoDosTre;if you want to get Lifefucked
612616;1397098033;artifexd;.bait
612617;1397098034;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8dz6yTWVs1rciywmo1_500.jpg
612618;1397098229;Shakespeare;missing snorkels!
612619;1397099645;TestingUnoDosTre;;;ticker
612620;1397099646;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 432.0, Best ask: 433.74, Bid-ask spread: 1.74000, Last trade: 432.0, 24 hour volume: 8132.48884064, 24 hour low: 432.0, 24 hour high: 457.15, 24 hour vwap: 444.759992859
612621;1397100218;TestingUnoDosTre;;;ticker
612622;1397100219;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 429.0, Best ask: 429.44, Bid-ask spread: 0.44000, Last trade: 429.0, 24 hour volume: 8820.67184451, 24 hour low: 429.0, 24 hour high: 457.15, 24 hour vwap: 444.354375194
612623;1397100437;TestingUnoDosTre;;;ticker
612624;1397100438;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 424.65, Best ask: 425.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.35000, Last trade: 425.0, 24 hour volume: 9537.03368365, 24 hour low: 425.0, 24 hour high: 457.15, 24 hour vwap: 442.726862095
612625;1397100925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00096139 = 15.2861 BTC [-]
612626;1397100992;benkay;450 -> 425
612627;1397100996;benkay;tell me that ain't a slide
612628;1397101008;*;nubbins` raises hands, shouts with glee
612629;1397101153;benkay;;;later tell mike_c sometimes i think supply is constrained on the fiat -> btc pipe. if cash and reputation and connections are all you have, that's not a terribly wide pipe. perhaps there was something to gox' occasional ability to turn fiat wires into btc
612630;1397101154;gribble;The operation succeeded.
612631;1397101180;nubbins`;sometimes you think? :D
612632;1397101203;TestingUnoDosTre;;;ticker
612633;1397101204;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 425.76, Best ask: 427.8, Bid-ask spread: 2.04000, Last trade: 427.8, 24 hour volume: 10250.88892261, 24 hour low: 422.0, 24 hour high: 457.15, 24 hour vwap: 441.247888245
612634;1397101212;benkay;;;later tell mike_c i guess the appropriate local metaphor would be "for those who prayed, dove through, and magically weren't sliced to bits by the chumpatron"
612635;1397101212;gribble;The operation succeeded.
612636;1397101219;nubbins`;TestingUnoDosTre: do you need to do that so often? :(
612637;1397101220;TestingUnoDosTre;spread is opening
612638;1397101226;TestingUnoDosTre;sorry
612639;1397101239;TestingUnoDosTre;no one was chatting before, thought I had the room to myself :D
612640;1397101242;nubbins`;protip: /msg gribble ticker :)
612641;1397101266;nubbins`;OT: we finally got ourselves an American Apparel wholesale account
612642;1397101300;nubbins`;turns out having a factory in downtown los angeles makes for expensive bulk tees
612643;1397101458;TestingUnoDosTre;t-shirts are expensive?
612644;1397101572;Mats_cd03;colin firth on daily show tonight
612645;1397101574;Mats_cd03;not bad
612646;1397101575;nubbins`;it's a relative measure
612647;1397101665;Mats_cd03;how hard was it to get the account
612648;1397101687;MisterE;
612649;1397101689;MisterE;
612650;1397101691;MisterE;
612651;1397101693;MisterE;
612652;1397101695;MisterE;http://www.coindesk.com/national-australia-bank-turns-back-bitcoin-closes-accounts/
612653;1397101697;MisterE;oops :/
612654;1397101700;nubbins`;way to paste
612655;1397101702;nubbins`;;(
612656;1397101708;MisterE;sorry didnt know that was in the buffer, guess I pased out last night :/
612657;1397101714;*;Mats_cd03 slaps MisterE
612658;1397101729;joecool;whole lotta nothin there
612659;1397101746;MisterE;I'm surprised I didnt get flood kicked
612660;1397101746;nubbins`;Mats_cd03: three-page application form. we didn't have to fill out the whole thing because we pay up-front with credit cards, but if you want to do net 30 etc, you have to provide business references and a ton of extra info
612661;1397101771;nubbins`;also had to sign a contract stating that we won't, among other things, reveal prices nor will we resell undecorated garments
612662;1397101797;MisterE;bit of a selloff on the BOA news
612663;1397101797;Mats_cd03;i see
612664;1397101805;nubbins`;that said, same-day turnaround once we submitted the application
612665;1397101898;nubbins`;for reference, a plain AA unisex tee is about 40% more expensive than our go-to shirt (organic cotton) and 150% more expensive than our "discount quality" shirt
612666;1397101909;MisterE;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22ny8h/agricultural_bank_of_china_freezes_bitcoin/
612667;1397101910;ozbot;Agricultural Bank of China FREEZES BITCOIN accounts on 4/15 : Bitcoin
612668;1397101938;Mats_cd03;lol
612669;1397101970;nubbins`;good bulk discounts, but they only kick in when you buy a dozen of the same style, color, and size
612670;1397101990;nubbins`;mot much use for a company that doesn't stock blanks :D
612671;1397102015;benkay;there's a certain symmetry to this one: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22ny8h/agricultural_bank_of_china_freezes_bitcoin/cgoohv9
612672;1397102039;MisterE;heh
612673;1397102363;TestingUnoDosTre;bid depth on bistamp: 405 - 4000 , 400 - 10000
612674;1397102367;TestingUnoDosTre;what is that
612675;1397102472;TestingUnoDosTre;and by "What" I mean, Why are there more bids between 405 to 400 than there are compared with 400 to 395
612676;1397102549;Duffer1;i think chatzilla knows it's about to be replaced
612677;1397102553;Duffer1;it's stopped wrapping text >.<
612678;1397102653;cazalla;MisterE: you know who runs CoinJar right?
612679;1397102689;cazalla;MisterE: https://blog.coinjar.com/2014/04/10/nab-bitcoin-and-you/
612680;1397102725;cazalla;We have 4 major banks in Australia, CJ has been kicked from 2 now, other being CommBank
612681;1397102779;nubbins`;i gotta say, i liked australia a lot more as a kid
612682;1397102810;MisterE;I gotta agree with that sentiment
612683;1397103103;cazalla;yeah, seems there is a disproportionate amount of bitcoin scammers from here
612684;1397103231;cazalla;one of the latest being some real estate hustler who was in the papers saying he was bringing 100 robocoins to australia
612685;1397103271;cazalla;he also ran a conference where last year he said the winklevoss twins were book, months pass and it was the winklevoss twins are a maybe, then it's deleted from the website and the headliner was jeffrey tucker instead lol
612686;1397103287;cazalla;were booked*
612687;1397103328;MisterE;at least you don't have her: http://gawker.com/this-is-the-florida-woman-behind-the-topless-mcdonalds-1561300866
612688;1397103375;nubbins`;crazy/10 would not do business with
612689;1397103475;artifexd;http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=456_1396780871 <- Uncensored video of it happening
612690;1397103475;ozbot;LiveLeak.com - Topless chick goes crazy in Mcdonalds
612691;1397103672;nubbins`;leel
612692;1397103683;nubbins`;actually crazy/10 would do business with
612693;1397104158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 62 @ 0.0075 = 0.465 BTC [+]
612694;1397104240;nubbins`;;;later tell mike_c lel, eulorum.org is overrun with bot spam ;(
612695;1397104240;gribble;The operation succeeded.
612696;1397104249;Duffer1;blah is there no weechat for windows?
612697;1397104390;Duffer1;nm cygwin brb buying linux laptop >.<
612698;1397104417;nubbins`;you can buy linux laptops? ;D
612699;1397104448;Duffer1;i can buy a laptop and install linux over whatever it comes with
612700;1397104468;TestingUnoDosTre;chrometop?
612701;1397104481;nubbins`;that's not the same as buying a linux laptop
612702;1397104483;Duffer1;i looked at those but they max at 16gb
612703;1397104492;nubbins`;mostly because you're paying microsoft $25
612704;1397104535;Duffer1;if i bought it new sure, but i'm looking at used, something i5 i can throw an ssd in
612705;1397104564;nubbins`;ah, then you get a pass
612706;1397104566;nubbins`;:D
612707;1397104576;Duffer1;:)
612708;1397104598;Duffer1;so my only experience with linux was probably 15 years ago, and was redhat4dummies
612709;1397104604;nubbins`;dell will uninstall windows and refund you the $25, as long as you don't turn on your new laptop and pay shipping both ways
612710;1397104605;Duffer1;what do i want these days?
612711;1397104622;nubbins`;try ubuntu or mint
612712;1397104688;Duffer1;thanks
612713;1397104863;nubbins`;2:10am, time for sleep
612714;1397104864;mikaeldice;I can't wait for high resolution display support to become more common on desktop distros
612715;1397104953;mikaeldice;My lenovo yoga has a 3200x1800 display on 13", which most Linux distros look ridiculous on currently..  Good news is that a lot of the work is already done, just waiting to be included in distro repositories
612716;1397105032;mikaeldice;I think Ubuntu 14.04 will be the first if you don't want to pull a bleeding edge build for it
612717;1397105052;mikaeldice;Though I kind of dislike the more recent releases of ubuntu
612718;1397105116;Duffer1;downloading 13.1 atm from website
612719;1397105240;Duffer1;oo looks like i should wait for 14.04
612720;1397105249;cazalla;yeah, 15th i believe
612721;1397105378;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.5901003 = 11.802 BTC [-] {4} 
612722;1397105397;TestingUnoDosTre;damn
612723;1397105510;benkay;been talking a lot lately about bsd
612724;1397105523;benkay;don' want no mo ssl holes like that one
612725;1397107125;benkay;http://www.ricehadleygates.com/
612726;1397107127;ozbot;Rice Hadley Gates LLC | International Strategic Consulting Firm
612727;1397107136;benkay;i want an international strategic consulting firm!
612728;1397107580;mike_c;nubbins`: ok.. now you have to pick out cat photos to create an account.
612729;1397108435;mike_c;2,750 spam accounts created on eulorum.  and mediawiki has no way to mass-delete users..
612730;1397108457;benkay;hahaha
612731;1397108468;benkay;sucker
612732;1397108488;benkay;uh so i'm no expert at these things
612733;1397108500;benkay;being barely capable at my chosen trade in "lisp etc etc
612734;1397108504;benkay;("lisp")
612735;1397108513;benkay;i've just started hacking on c and man is this shit miserable
612736;1397108536;mike_c;i'll have to figure out how to add blocks in sql.  the admin interface is useless.
612737;1397108553;benkay;tee hee abstractions
612738;1397108556;MisterE;c is suck
612739;1397108564;benkay;i dunno man
612740;1397108567;benkay;mebbe i'm retarded
612741;1397108618;benkay;i dig the types for sure
612742;1397108638;benkay;but voof. buffers? in my face? all the time? surely this is not a good use of my brain.
612743;1397108856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2460 @ 0.000064 = 0.1574 BTC [-]
612744;1397109442;fluffypony;benkay: that's the problem with being that low level
612745;1397109508;ThickAsThieves;how come china bans bitcoin every week?
612746;1397109513;ThickAsThieves;yet market always reacts
612747;1397109530;benkay;market consists of a few people trading over tin can telephones
612748;1397109540;benkay;;;ticker
612749;1397109541;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 411.26, Best ask: 412.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.74000, Last trade: 412.0, 24 hour volume: 15030.68265563, 24 hour low: 410.15, 24 hour high: 455.0, 24 hour vwap: 432.988977841
612750;1397109546;benkay;;;ticker --market all
612751;1397109552;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 412.0, vol: 15030.68265563 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 409.437, vol: 15238.11147 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 413.2, vol: 12040.28843127 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 438.2, vol: 130.58213779 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 397.7559, vol: 5608.52530000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 420.93994, vol: 5.30464706 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 429.195, vol: 83.16219237 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
612752;1397109555;benkay;411 you say.
612753;1397109581;fluffypony;and that's why I don't price watch
612754;1397109597;MisterE;not price watching is no fun
612755;1397109605;ThickAsThieves;buying is fun
612756;1397109606;MisterE;then you can't make moves and coin up
612757;1397109658;fluffypony;MisterE: I suck at trading
612758;1397109664;fluffypony;day trading doubly so
612759;1397109676;MisterE;I dont usually trade multiple times in a day
612760;1397109681;MisterE;maybe once a day
612761;1397109691;MisterE;trends I look for are ~24 hr
612762;1397109705;fluffypony;true
612763;1397109722;MisterE;just for play fun, I have other investments that are in cold storage
612764;1397109779;MisterE;troll the btce trollbox for a while :)
612765;1397109783;fluffypony;lol
612766;1397109792;fluffypony;the btc-e trollbox is an awful bunch of human beings
612767;1397109933;MisterE;truly
612768;1397109950;fluffypony;bought some of these to give to my parents and my in-laws: https://www.titanbtc.com/product/titan-one/
612769;1397109966;fluffypony;arrived yesterday
612770;1397109976;fluffypony;it arrives unfunded and you email them to "activate" it, then they fund ut
612771;1397109983;MisterE;I once made a retarded comment about "double inverted helix head & shoulders formation at the 3rd Fibonacci band formed" in trollbox
612772;1397109984;fluffypony;(to prevent it being lost in transit, presumably)
612773;1397109996;MisterE;I promptly got a PM asking me what this high tech investment analysis was
612774;1397110000;fluffypony;MisterE: LOL!
612775;1397110512;cazalla;fluffypony: why would you trust them?
612776;1397110537;fluffypony;cazalla: didn't see any negative reviews
612777;1397110551;fluffypony;and we wanted something presentation-y
612778;1397110560;cazalla;but how do you know they don't keep a copy of the private key?
612779;1397110571;fluffypony;we don't
612780;1397110602;fluffypony;there's a 2 factor authentication thing
612781;1397110617;fluffypony;https://www.titanbtc.com/titan-bitcoin-security/
612782;1397110692;fluffypony;I mean check
612783;1397110706;fluffypony;it's just a gift to them for fun that they may or may not be able to use one day
612784;1397110715;fluffypony;it's not to put someone's life savings into
612785;1397110990;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0549898 = 0.11 BTC [+] {2} 
612786;1397111202;[\];where's mircea?
612787;1397111330;fluffypony;[\\\]: sleeping?
612788;1397111393;[\];I wanted to introduce him to a bunch of new friends
612789;1397111406;[\];I name dropped the channel in #bitcoin-pricetalk
612790;1397111420;fluffypony;heh
612791;1397111486;akstunt600;oh hey fluffypony
612792;1397111493;fluffypony;hey akstunt600
612793;1397111508;akstunt600;thanks for the invite [\\\]
612794;1397111927;[\];it wasn't a fucking invite
612795;1397111949;[\];fluffypony, people don't know about /list *bitcoin*
612796;1397111970;fluffypony;people don't know about /list
612797;1397111976;[\];sadly
612798;1397112050;keonne_;people don't know about irc in general
612799;1397112054;fluffypony;yeah
612800;1397112075;fluffypony;a lot of people think that mIRC *is* IRC
612801;1397112080;dub;sadly they now know about this channel
612802;1397112095;fluffypony;they have nfi about the underlying architecture or what services are available and what they do
612803;1397112116;keonne;dub: one insult from mirecea will probably change that
612804;1397112179;keonne;hows its going mr pony?
612805;1397112191;keonne;how is South Africa on this fine Thursday
612806;1397112193;fluffypony;keonne: not too bad
612807;1397112196;fluffypony;it's REALLY foggy today
612808;1397112201;fluffypony;I took a picture, will upload it in a bit
612809;1397112209;keonne;cool, i like pictures
612810;1397112213;keonne;especially of your wife
612811;1397112216;keonne;:p
612812;1397112219;fluffypony;we're like 1.2kms from shore, and the fog is right up at the house
612813;1397112220;fluffypony;lol
612814;1397112240;keonne;wow thats pretty crazy
612815;1397112255;keonne;Paris is bright and lovely
612816;1397112260;fluffypony;ah nice
612817;1397112268;keonne;I'm leaving today, back to soggy wet England
612818;1397112271;fluffypony;Paris is beautiful in the spring
612819;1397112277;keonne;it really is
612820;1397112277;fluffypony;lol
612821;1397112287;fluffypony;I could never live in England
612822;1397112303;keonne;i love England, but it is damp
612823;1397112306;fluffypony;I love the people and the culture, but the weather would make me sad
612824;1397112325;keonne;I'm from south Florida, and I hate the heat, so the mild weather is pretty nice
612825;1397112329;fluffypony;ah ok
612826;1397112332;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.056892 = 0.1138 BTC [+]
612827;1397112366;keonne;ok now to catch up on the logs
612828;1397112377;keonne;#bitcoin-assets is like a second job
612829;1397112396;MisterE;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/whitehat-hacker-goes-too-far-gets-raided-by-fbi-tells-all/
612830;1397112397;ozbot;Whitehat hacker goes too far, gets raided by FBI, tells all | Ars Technica
612831;1397112437;MisterE;keonne: I went to HS in Miami also lived in Tampa and the keys for a while
612832;1397112575;fluffypony;MisterE: that guy is an idiot
612833;1397112576;fluffypony;'I basically "confessed" everything to the FBI already.'
612834;1397112580;fluffypony;you never talk to the cops!
612835;1397112591;MisterE;yea
612836;1397112598;keonne;MisterE: I went to Beach High
612837;1397112606;keonne;for 2 years anyway, before driopping out
612838;1397112611;MisterE;S. Miami Beach?
612839;1397112618;keonne;yep
612840;1397112637;keonne;c/o 2005
612841;1397112648;MisterE;I dropped after 2-years too
612842;1397112652;MisterE;got a GED
612843;1397112655;keonne;same
612844;1397112665;keonne;mircea_popescu: <mike_c> yes, it's not like france where they just take your whole paycheck and give you a few dollars a week for coffee and cigarettes. << zing lmao. what you say nao pankkake ? huh ? huh ?
612845;1397112671;keonne;i lol'd because so true
612846;1397112686;MisterE;heh, probably in NL too heh
612847;1397112746;keonne;MisterE: So you grew up in Miami?
612848;1397112827;MisterE;yea in my teens
612849;1397112842;MisterE;I was all around the grove and Kendall area
612850;1397112846;keonne;You seem like a smart guy, so i am assuming you left asap
612851;1397112858;keonne;that place is a pit
612852;1397112865;MisterE;yea just before andrew we got out lucky
612853;1397112881;MisterE;indeed I went back after and asked my friend why they were staying
612854;1397112913;keonne;oh wow, that is lucky. My dad was emergency services so we stayed during Andrew, was scary/fun
612855;1397112957;MisterE;oh, I was young then just lucky timing. But later I worked as a paramedic in the west for 3-years
612856;1397112995;keonne;Yeah I was young too, but I remember it pretty well... I remember the national guard closing streets down and what not
612857;1397113032;MisterE;Homestead, man never seen anything like that
612858;1397113038;keonne;yep
612859;1397113044;MisterE;I'd ben there before I knew it was trailer city
612860;1397113083;keonne;most of Florida is trailer city, bad move really considering there is a yearly fucking hurricane season, geniuses
612861;1397113095;MisterE;You know the joke about What do tornadoes and divorces in Kentucky have in common?
612862;1397113100;keonne;the sun does funny things to people
612863;1397113102;MisterE;could be FL
612864;1397113116;keonne;i dont know the joke
612865;1397113119;MisterE;indeed and back when I was a kid there was so much coke
612866;1397113132;MisterE;oh, either way someone loses a trailer...
612867;1397113136;keonne;there still is lol
612868;1397113137;keonne;haha
612869;1397113140;MisterE;lel
612870;1397113178;fluffypony;lol
612871;1397113247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04763005 = 0.2382 BTC [-] {5} 
612872;1397113259;keonne;18:44:21 asciilifeform: there was a great soviet cartoon about a kid who hates history class and then gets a time machine
612873;1397113262;keonne;18:44:35 asciilifeform: he goes back and kills... just about everyone he failed exams on
612874;1397113267;keonne;asciilifeform: i need to see this
612875;1397113308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.04726788 = 0.4254 BTC [-] {5} 
612876;1397113369;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 86 @ 0.04614534 = 3.9685 BTC [-] {9} 
612877;1397113402;taub;one panic exhaustion to 350 please and strong reversal
612878;1397113423;keonne;ugh this robwhiz22 is making my head hurt
612879;1397113619;MisterE;taub: it's going to be like this until the 15th passes
612880;1397113643;keonne;^ agreed
612881;1397113692;keonne;mircea_popescu: most of the trilema that's not written in vi is written in nano
612882;1397113704;keonne;i also like nano, keeps it simple, and i don't need extra fucking thumbs
612883;1397113783;MisterE;nano and pico ++
612884;1397113828;MisterE;I dont really know the difference like wget and curl
612885;1397113875;keonne;wget is recursive
612886;1397113878;keonne;curl isnt
612887;1397113910;keonne;among other things
612888;1397113933;MisterE;i read wget was designed for really crappy connections
612889;1397113967;MisterE;maybe that means longer timeouts
612890;1397114022;keonne;God i am regretting all the whisky last night
612891;1397114035;keonne;i can smell it in my sweat and it is grossing me out
612892;1397114467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05589301 = 0.1677 BTC [+]
612893;1397114650;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.00529499 = 0.1059 BTC [+] {2} 
612894;1397114711;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 50 @ 0.00529899 = 0.2649 BTC [+] {2} 
612895;1397114772;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 18 @ 0.00717783 = 0.1292 BTC [+] {3} 
612896;1397115199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 151 @ 0.58505045 = 88.3426 BTC [-] {9} 
612897;1397115565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 52 @ 0.00208499 = 0.1084 BTC [+]
612898;1397116375;MisterE;https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/04/heartbleed.html
612899;1397116376;ozbot;Schneier on Security: Heartbleed
612900;1397116509;dub;herp de derp
612901;1397117151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3505 @ 0.00096088 = 3.3679 BTC [-]
612902;1397117499;keonne;i hate that i have to sell bitcoin today :(
612903;1397117639;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.053845 = 0.2692 BTC [-]
612904;1397117702;jurov;;;later tell mikaeldice i resorted to running startx -- -dpi 200 with kde, it works quite nicely.
612905;1397117702;gribble;The operation succeeded.
612906;1397117814;fluffypony;keonne: yeah that's the worst
612907;1397117820;fluffypony;when it's low and you have to sell to cover expenses
612908;1397117821;fluffypony;:/
612909;1397118178;Apocalyptic;could be worse
612910;1397118198;keonne;yeah
612911;1397118207;keonne;its mildly annoying
612912;1397118427;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/coinjedi-betsofbitco-in-scammers-declares-push-on-obvious-win-for-bfl-bet.96820/page-18#post-5863694
612913;1397118429;ozbot;coinjedi / betsofbitco.in SCAMMERS:  Declares "Push" on obvious win for BFL bet | Page 18 | Bitcoint
612914;1397118768;keonne;i hope china bans bitcoin again at the end of the month payday
612915;1397118826;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
612916;1397118832;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 414.1, vol: 22152.49644461 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 411.943, vol: 21222.59832 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 415.2, vol: 18674.85077075 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 425.0, vol: 137.01650657 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 405.72, vol: 6743.53190000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 8.00404786 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 428.352837, vol: 146.65163261 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
612917;1397118836;BingoBoingo;;;more
612918;1397118836;gribble;412.969298238
612919;1397119276;MisterE;http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/florida-bitcoin-case-tests-money-laundering-limits/articleshow/33515832.cms
612920;1397119499;jurov;;;bc,convert eur
612921;1397119500;gribble;1 BTC = 414.0 USD = 298.701 eur
612922;1397119559;MisterE;If you didn't already need a reason to DROP Dropbox: http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/09/condoleezza-rice-joins-dropboxs-board/
612923;1397119578;fluffypony;:(
612924;1397119585;fluffypony;I like DropBox
612925;1397119590;Apocalyptic;...
612926;1397119604;Apocalyptic;cloud storage is overrated
612927;1397119607;fluffypony;I mean, it's great for quick collaboration
612928;1397119628;fluffypony;Apocalyptic: yeah but I tried running ownCloud
612929;1397119630;fluffypony;and it was shit
612930;1397120384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41350 @ 0.00096189 = 39.7742 BTC [+] {2} 
612931;1397120811;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29852 @ 0.00096362 = 28.766 BTC [+] {3} 
612932;1397121567;dexX7;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325431.msg6153395#msg6153395 alberto is on the run as it seems
612933;1397121568;ozbot;labcoin lawsuit
612934;1397121799;fluffypony;meh
612935;1397121807;fluffypony;the only problem with keeping the details all out in the open is that he can see it
612936;1397121811;fluffypony;and stay ahead of them
612937;1397121843;dexX7;i assume what is posted there is the bare minimum
612938;1397121849;fluffypony;hopefullly
612939;1397122158;dub;i assume that IS alberto
612940;1397122173;fluffypony;dub: clever
612941;1397122180;fluffypony;very meta if it is
612942;1397122188;dub;its not 'meta' at all
612943;1397122230;dexX7;it's not
612944;1397122236;dexX7;his id was confirmed
612945;1397122264;fluffypony;dub: it would be - its a scammer scamming the scamhunters :-P
612946;1397122282;dub;just like you confirmed who labcoin was before investin
612947;1397122293;dexX7;:D
612948;1397122307;fluffypony;lol
612949;1397122315;fluffypony;"due diligence" much
612950;1397122836;dub;!t h am1
612951;1397122837;assbot;[HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.58000000 / 0.58934983 / 0.61000000 (209 shares, 123.17411349 BTC), 7D: 0.58000000 / 0.59094914 / 0.61889899 (326 shares, 192.64941846 BTC), 30D: 0.52200000 / 0.60916007 / 0.69510000 (2921 shares, 1779.35655173 BTC)
612952;1397123470;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
612953;1397123471;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 411.55, Best ask: 411.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 411.8, 24 hour volume: 22673.97718376, 24 hour low: 400.11, 24 hour high: 453.96, 24 hour vwap: 423.36399149
612954;1397123580;dexX7;^ i guess china banned bitcoin again
612955;1397124354;fluffypony;go Australia: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/health/nhmrc-rule-homeopathic-remedies-useless-for-human-health/story-fni0diac-1226878166107
612956;1397125952;Mats_cd03;geez, the price keeps correcting each time i pick up more btc ;(
612957;1397125964;dexX7;before or after you bought? ;)
612958;1397125976;Mats_cd03;after hence the tear
612959;1397125979;dexX7;meh
612960;1397125993;Mats_cd03;im being punished for not using -otc
612961;1397126027;dexX7;how would -otc help in this case?
612962;1397126072;truffles;cheaper
612963;1397126078;Mats_cd03;it wouldn't, it would just be mildly cheaper
612964;1397126086;dexX7;ah
612965;1397126132;Apocalyptic;cheaper ?
612966;1397126150;Apocalyptic;otc usual rates are quite above the market price
612967;1397126167;truffles;u sure?
612968;1397126173;Apocalyptic;heh
612969;1397126183;Apocalyptic;i'm an op there and frequent trader, so yeah pretty muc
612970;1397126184;Apocalyptic;*much
612971;1397126200;truffles;so u know that coin guy pfff
612972;1397126206;Apocalyptic;I do
612973;1397126208;truffles;let me quote u what happened
612974;1397126231;truffles;we were talking about pool, and how he can get 1k per game easy etc
612975;1397126246;truffles;so obv he's some kinda pool shark/baller
612976;1397126265;Mats_cd03;;;tell benkay having adventures in C? me too we're bros
612977;1397126265;gribble;Error: I haven't seen benkay, I'll let you do the telling.
612978;1397126286;Apocalyptic;;;later tell
612979;1397126286;gribble;(later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
612980;1397126293;Mats_cd03;senkq
612981;1397126329;truffles;tell?
612982;1397126338;truffles;oh he failed nm
612983;1397126361;Mats_cd03;Apocalyptic: oh... i was under the impression it was
612984;1397126405;truffles;truffles> why is coingenuity on the phone with banks?
612985;1397126405;truffles;<coingenuity> truffles: because banks are banning bitcoin
612986;1397126405;truffles;<coingenuity> try sending money to an exchange right now ;)
612987;1397126405;truffles;<truffles> if ure into btc why do u still hold onto bank accounts..
612988;1397126405;truffles;<coingenuity> truffles: i run one of the biggest bitcoin companies
612989;1397126406;truffles;<truffles> well i hope ure on there all day
612990;1397126406;truffles;* ChanServ sets mode: +o coingenuity
612991;1397126407;truffles;* You were kicked by coingenuity (you're)
612992;1397126407;truffles;<truffles> cry about it more plz
612993;1397126408;truffles;<@coingenuity> truffles: i'm trying to warn you to behave
612994;1397126408;truffles;<truffles> u mean to stroke ur ego?
612995;1397126409;truffles;<@coingenuity> really, dude
612996;1397126409;truffles;<truffles> oh look at u, u have "power"
612997;1397126410;truffles;* You were kicked by coingenuity (come back when you can behave)
612998;1397126415;truffles;chat spame
612999;1397126453;truffles;so then i in #bitcoin i was like "why are u such a bitch" i think im banned there too
613000;1397126464;Apocalyptic;maybe if you would write properly it wouldn't have escalated that far
613001;1397126470;truffles;haha
613002;1397126481;Apocalyptic;cause as far as I can see that's what the first kick was for
613003;1397126495;truffles;if spelling gets u kicks heh
613004;1397126500;Duffer1;truffles<coingenuity> truffles: i run one of the biggest bitcoin companies >> wtf is coingenuity?
613005;1397126507;truffles;some baller
613006;1397126513;truffles;mod on otc
613007;1397126527;Apocalyptic;Duffer1, he's running coinabul
613008;1397126567;truffles;i think he's on some kinda power trip ya know
613009;1397126570;Duffer1;isee
613010;1397126691;truffles;"Coinabul has been ripping people off for a while." shit no wonder he can drop 1k a game
613011;1397126844;kakobrekla;power trip? more like acid trip
613012;1397126877;Apocalyptic;kako, you have some history with coingenuity ?
613013;1397126878;BingoBoingo;Power Acid!
613014;1397126890;kakobrekla;i dont think i do
613015;1397126939;truffles;not surprised he's not a reputable guy
613016;1397126962;truffles;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149253.msg2876339#msg2876339
613017;1397126963;ozbot;SCAM - Coinabul owe me 81btc
613018;1397127033;Diablo-D3;so Im signing up with bitpay
613019;1397127040;Diablo-D3;so I can accept bitcoin
613020;1397127066;Diablo-D3;I dunno, after all the years Ive been in the Bitcoin community, I just can't turn my back on everyone
613021;1397127081;truffles;bitcoin for?
613022;1397127132;truffles;thought u cashed out and now rolling in money piles
613023;1397127299;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/mpexrfc1/ << this is mpex' first rfc
613024;1397127300;ozbot;MPEx.RFC.1 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
613025;1397127308;mircea_popescu;so please to read and comment
613026;1397127361;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 so you're averaging your cost  down :D
613027;1397127402;mircea_popescu;<truffles> if spelling gets u kicks heh << dude i thought you were the english expert.
613028;1397127418;truffles;not on the internet
613029;1397127442;truffles;pretty sure id best u in something written in english for sure
613030;1397127454;mircea_popescu;on what, vellum ?
613031;1397127467;truffles;non pc topic
613032;1397127483;truffles;bring all ur minions too
613033;1397127533;truffles;prob not if one is english prof
613034;1397127547;mircea_popescu;mon minions font minette
613035;1397127815;pigeons;retro link of the day http://ripper234.com/p/why-i-trust-patrick-harnett/
613036;1397127902;mircea_popescu;lol
613037;1397127933;mircea_popescu;poor mr gross.
613038;1397127946;mircea_popescu;http://ripper234.com/p/mt-gox-is-probably-insolvent/
613039;1397127952;mircea_popescu;has learned so little over so long.
613040;1397128014;mircea_popescu;http://ripper234.com/p/why-i-trust-patrick-harnett/comment-page-1/#comment-33568 < with #assets link too.
613041;1397128089;dexX7;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92279.0 "not a scam but failed business"
613042;1397128090;ozbot;Why I used to trust Patrick Harnett
613043;1397128107;mircea_popescu;oh i c.
613044;1397128125;mircea_popescu;the failed business of having lied through your teeth accidentally for great justice.
613045;1397128165;dexX7;last edit nov 17 2012 though
613046;1397128169;taub;MisterE> taub: it's going to be like this until the 15th passes
613047;1397128173;taub;whats on the 15th?
613048;1397128181;dexX7;china finally bans btc
613049;1397128183;mircea_popescu;mod6 dignork only noobs want windows ok cancel boxes! i want my client to damn well do what i tell it to.
613050;1397128186;mircea_popescu;keeps me on my toes.
613051;1397128199;pigeons;if you dont want pirate risk, i can tell you its not with pirate and pay you less
613052;1397128273;mircea_popescu;pigeons in a meta-sense, everyone that fucked up so far has been fucked by the same thing : failure to take btc seriously enough. be it the derps that still don't have any, harping about how it's just a fad and quoting tired beanie babies examples,
613053;1397128302;mircea_popescu;or on the other extreme patrick harnetts and other herps figuring "oh, it's jsut a small little thing, i'm much bigger than it so should be ok"
613054;1397128314;mircea_popescu;the whole spectrum seems to reduce to "didn't take it seriously enough"
613055;1397128558;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2584 @ 0.00014939 = 0.386 BTC [+] {2} 
613056;1397128559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22355 @ 0.00096159 = 21.4963 BTC [-]
613057;1397128619;bounce;no definite answer, but a few possibilities: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/10/pgp_email_leak_mystery_snowden_greenwald/
613058;1397128628;mircea_popescu;jborkl: We know how many btc there will be next year << he has it, btc supply is extremely well know. the function that stabilises the dishing out of btc over time has been EXTREMELY efficient so far, in spite of massive hashpower changes. i would say btc supply side is the best known of any material in history. including gold, which used to hold that distinction (which was a key to its monetization)
613059;1397128924;mircea_popescu;bounce i myself am happy with the "clueless woman, learned to use gpg last week, does not quite grok what keys are or how they work"
613060;1397128951;mircea_popescu;i have no idea how come they still give diplomas to lawyers and journalists that aren't fluent with gpg since their sophomore year, but hey.
613061;1397128984;bounce;because formalities and actual achievements are quite disconnected
613062;1397129003;mircea_popescu;mike_c: for instance, mp has a bunch of coins. they are not supply because they are not for sale. << they are supply even if they are not for sale. review Wickard v. Filburn :D
613063;1397129138;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2014#612648 << still empty log lines ?! kakobrekla omg
613064;1397129141;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
613065;1397129163;truffles;maybe he's busy
613066;1397129174;Apocalyptic;he's editing the shit out of it
613067;1397129182;truffles;lol
613068;1397129242;mircea_popescu;lol
613069;1397129258;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: wrt not taking it seriously - not sure about other countries, but we have a new (2009) act here that says that a director will be liable for losses suffered by the company as a result of the director having taken or failed to act against certain unauthorised or unlawful actions and situations
613070;1397129261;mircea_popescu;cazalla the life of the p t barnum promoter of roadside attractions is a precarious one.
613071;1397129265;kakobrekla;http://shrani.si/f/2o/J/Rgy8g6Y/log.png
613072;1397129294;mircea_popescu;fluffypony pretty sure that was the case before 2009, both in common and civil law jurisdictions.
613073;1397129300;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: not in South Africa
613074;1397129311;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla o wow he just pasted teh empty ? nm then
613075;1397129312;fluffypony;was pretty much the wild west here
613076;1397129316;mircea_popescu;fluffypony ah ah, ok.
613077;1397129351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45600 @ 0.00096168 = 43.8526 BTC [+]
613078;1397129439;mircea_popescu;actually eulorum.org doesn't even load.
613079;1397129464;mircea_popescu;mikaeldice: Though I kind of dislike the more recent releases of ubuntu << word.
613080;1397129537;wywialm;hello all
613081;1397129569;mircea_popescu;[\\\] i am here.
613082;1397129573;mircea_popescu;hi wy
613083;1397129595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00096159 = 4.5195 BTC [-]
613084;1397129666;mircea_popescu;aww dub why so sour ? noobs taste good.
613085;1397129963;Mats_cd03;mircea_popescu is in high spirits today
613086;1397129972;Mats_cd03;did you get an afternoon bj
613087;1397130072;mircea_popescu;i just woke up.
613088;1397130115;mircea_popescu;keonne: #bitcoin-assets is like a second job << first job for most people here.
613089;1397130142;truffles;so ure a morning person eh
613090;1397130144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.58 = 9.28 BTC [-] {3} 
613091;1397130230;mircea_popescu;for some definitions of morning.
613092;1397130266;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.0056675 = 0.136 BTC [-] {2} 
613093;1397130297;mircea_popescu;MisterE guy is definitely lying. had he made that reddit post BEFORE having tried to steal the data rather than as a coverup afterthought, all'd hgave been well.
613094;1397130332;truffles;some ppl r like zombies in the morning
613095;1397130397;mircea_popescu;yes, but those aren't the people that never woke up with a timer in their life.
613096;1397130442;truffles;orly
613097;1397131608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.60950995 = 13.4092 BTC [+] {9} 
613098;1397131853;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.61903286 = 24.7613 BTC [+] {11} 
613099;1397131913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.62 = 6.82 BTC [+]
613100;1397132401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.610004 = 6.1 BTC [-] {2} 
613101;1397132706;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60002145 = 1.8001 BTC [-] {2} 
613102;1397132767;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60000001 = 1.2 BTC [-]
613103;1397132828;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [-]
613104;1397133499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7861 @ 0.00096168 = 7.5598 BTC [+]
613105;1397133755;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: you still around?
613106;1397133810;mircea_popescu;ya
613107;1397133864;thestringpuller;from trilema:  MPEx webservers will have to keep a copy of the database. This is practically unavoidable (I think) because of two things : you.d like to be able to issue account statements for customers when they want, rather than when you get around to itviii and you.d like to pipe trade data into other services (like twitter, assbot on #bitcoin-assets etc).
613108;1397133911;thestringpuller;does this mean that each webserver holds trade data?
613109;1397133970;mircea_popescu;pretty much
613110;1397133987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2500 @ 0.00009082 = 0.2271 BTC [+] {3} 
613111;1397134092;thestringpuller;oh for STAT
613112;1397134098;thestringpuller;i see...
613113;1397134231;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05565641 = 0.2783 BTC [+] {4} 
613114;1397134292;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05567526 = 0.167 BTC [+] {2} 
613115;1397134436;nubbins`;truffles, speeling = improtant
613116;1397134457;nubbins`;;;later tell mike_c cats? now I'M signing up for multiple accounts :D
613117;1397134457;gribble;The operation succeeded.
613118;1397134482;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: inexplainably is, inexplicably, not a word
613119;1397134575;fluffypony;that's unexplendifirous
613120;1397134714;nubbins`;i think the word you're looking for is cromulent
613121;1397134730;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: +1 for lost-key safeguard process, that's clever
613122;1397135476;kakobrekla;ok lel
613123;1397135477;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563303.0
613124;1397135479;ozbot;Invest Bitcoins due to launch shortly!
613125;1397135551;fluffypony;shut up and take my money!
613126;1397135563;Mats_cd03;does gpg timestamping continue to be an issue?
613127;1397135590;Apocalyptic;seriously...
613128;1397135603;Apocalyptic;"i don't have any idea about wtf i'm doing"
613129;1397135625;kakobrekla;me neither
613130;1397135632;pankkake;GPG puts timestamps in signatures?
613131;1397135678;nubbins`;"The investment is more for people who want to safeguard BTC at the current prices"
613132;1397135708;nubbins`;so it's just like cashing out, but instead of cashing out into your local currency, you cash out into indian government bonds
613133;1397135717;nubbins`;sounds like a win-win-win
613134;1397135755;Mats_cd03;pankkake: http://trilema.com/2014/mpexrfc1/
613135;1397135756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00096168 = 10.6746 BTC [+]
613136;1397135769;Mats_cd03;> Because of inherited weakness from pgp’s own timestamping, there is currently no reliable way to resolve time disputes : the client can very well present his own version (as included in the signed material), MPEx will present its own version (as reflected by when it has seen the order) and no further progress can be made (for which reason MPEx’
613137;1397135769;Mats_cd03;determination is final).
613138;1397135817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00096168 = 6.4433 BTC [+]
613139;1397135855;nubbins`;wait a minute, i know why i'm so bleary
613140;1397135859;*;nubbins` makes coffee
613141;1397135931;Mats_cd03;only pakistani govt bonds are more safe
613142;1397135940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05566999 = 0.1113 BTC [-]
613143;1397135953;pankkake;and don't confuse them with pankkistani bonds
613144;1397135962;Mats_cd03;weak
613145;1397136023;nubbins`;http://www.tradingeconomics.com/france/government-bond-yield
613146;1397136024;ozbot;France Government Bond 10Y | Actual Data | Forecasts | Calendar
613147;1397136024;nubbins`;yup
613148;1397136028;nubbins`;;D
613149;1397136396;danielpbarron;"please learn to read. this coin is about raising awareness for rap music and rap victims. it's not about promoting rap. why would anyone do this? you're a sick person."
613150;1397136421;pankkake;what
613151;1397136456;truffles;tupac?
613152;1397136471;danielpbarron;a stupid altcoin, but i think the OP is trolling
613153;1397136475;danielpbarron;"yes. a launch. we have a coin, a website, a twitter, facebook, g+ profile, a windows wallet, no real concept and of course no innovation. everything you need for a great coin. this coin has muy potentialones."
613154;1397136492;pankkake;to the hood!
613155;1397136509;danielpbarron;made me laugh out loud when I read "rap victims"
613156;1397136528;MisterE;maybe it was typo
613157;1397136568;fluffypony;"muy potentialones"
613158;1397136605;truffles;pantalones
613159;1397136620;fluffypony;danielpbarron: definitely trolling
613160;1397136623;fluffypony;I mean, it's called RAPe
613161;1397136637;fluffypony;"Rap(e)Coin: the rap coin that's not about rape because rape is bad and rap isn't"
613162;1397136643;kakobrekla;lol
613163;1397136644;danielpbarron;lolol
613164;1397136665;kakobrekla;is this one of the Rap-e-ghosts thingy
613165;1397136697;nubbins`;better get ultimate scammer rg on the line to find out
613166;1397136702;fluffypony;LOL kakobrekla
613167;1397136709;nubbins`;;;rated rg
613168;1397136709;gribble;You rated user rg on Wed Feb 26 10:45:04 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: tried to stiff me on payment for some design work.
613169;1397136772;danielpbarron;what's the deal with trezor? I'm gonna assume it's not as good as cardano will be?
613170;1397136783;danielpbarron;or should I not even be comparing these things?
613171;1397136789;kakobrekla;its good to asume its not even close to being the same thing
613172;1397136793;kakobrekla;assume
613173;1397136823;fluffypony;if you assume you make an ASS out of U and ME
613174;1397136829;fluffypony;*du-du-dish*
613175;1397136898;danielpbarron;i guess what I mean is, ... ultimately this is about securing BTC right? is trezor any good at that?
613176;1397136940;kakobrekla;cardano does not hold bitcoin private keys
613177;1397136942;danielpbarron;from what I understand, a lot of the cardano research is getting the right hardware RNG; is trezor up to the same standard?
613178;1397136994;kakobrekla;as to rng on trezor
613179;1397137000;kakobrekla;they use deterministic wallets afaik
613180;1397137024;danielpbarron;does that mean the user programs it?
613181;1397137079;kakobrekla;you supply the 12 or whatever words to make the seed from which all the future bitcoin key pairs are generated
613182;1397137124;danielpbarron;if I can type in the 12 words somehow, that's pretty cool
613183;1397137145;danielpbarron;otherwise, I don't think I can trust that little thing to make a secure enough seed
613184;1397137147;kakobrekla;its cool until it isnt.
613185;1397137198;danielpbarron;yeah it makes me suspicious when everyone is hyping it up and it's still on pre-order; sounds a lot like BFL
613186;1397137218;danielpbarron;"give us BTC today and maybe we'll ship you a product next year"
613187;1397137237;kakobrekla;thats trezor
613188;1397137243;danielpbarron;right, that's what I mean
613189;1397137244;kakobrekla;bfl is "give us btc and fuck you."
613190;1397137249;danielpbarron;lol
613191;1397137276;pLambert;has BitVPS buyout been discussed here yet? A big FU to all the shareholders
613192;1397137295;kakobrekla;what buyout?
613193;1397137318;pLambert;they are buying back shares based on the past couple dividends
613194;1397137329;Mats_cd03;3btc is just a ridiculous cost imo
613195;1397137345;kakobrekla;dunno havent been following that story
613196;1397137350;pLambert;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141262.msg6151254#msg6151254
613197;1397137351;ozbot;[BTC-TC] BitVPS
613198;1397137352;Mats_cd03;im not stingy, but its unnecessary
613199;1397137352;danielpbarron;2 BTC is ridic for an aluminium upgrade, Mats_cd03
613200;1397137381;danielpbarron;Mats_cd03: I don't mind it costing a lot, but it's insulting to say that using aliminum costs 2 BTC more than using plastic
613201;1397137392;kakobrekla;>>I invested 700 dollars, and you think I can be content with your forced 20 dollars buy-back?
613202;1397137392;kakobrekla;I would have been less offended if you had just said "Fuck you, I'm keeping your money."
613203;1397137393;kakobrekla;--
613204;1397137394;kakobrekla;lel
613205;1397137456;fluffypony;what have the dividends been like over the period? I take it not enough to cover the original investment?
613206;1397137683;danielpbarron;I am the issuer of the #5 ranked asset in counterparty :D
613207;1397137749;fluffypony;wd danielpbarron
613208;1397137758;pLambert;They keep saying "we are investing in more hardware, so dividends are low this month", then for the buyback they ignore all the hardware they just bought
613209;1397137802;danielpbarron;ty, fluffypony; I've got the market cap up to a record breaking 0.52 XCP
613210;1397137805;pLambert;arij: want to comment on this?
613211;1397137826;danielpbarron;pLambert: is this a mining company?
613212;1397137845;pLambert;BitVPS is a hosting company
613213;1397137850;danielpbarron;oh
613214;1397137875;pankkake;danielpbarron: is it something real?
613215;1397137884;pLambert;imagine if Warren Buffet wanted to buy shares of his company back based onthe dividends: $0.00 to you, shareholders
613216;1397137899;danielpbarron;pankkake: sorta, I backed my asset with a currency from a video game
613217;1397137931;pankkake;bitvps was profit shares though
613218;1397138006;danielpbarron;I'm doing it just for fun; trying out the protocol
613219;1397138089;benkay;thestringpuller: ping
613220;1397138745;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.054988 = 0.3299 BTC [-]
613221;1397139452;benkay;last bitvps statement was december?
613222;1397140458;danielpbarron;what's the most influential group of bitcoiners? the devs, the miners, or whatever you call the individuals who own a lot of BTC
613223;1397140512;benkay;some in this channel would hold it to be this channel
613224;1397140535;benkay;miners are influential in that txns that adhere to 0.6 rules will probably always get relayed
613225;1397140544;pankkake;define influential
613226;1397140564;benkay;devs, unles you're talking about conformal, don't really do much other than implement dirty code into bitcoin-qt
613227;1397140596;pankkake;transaction/network wise, both miners *and* public nodes. devs, nothing really, as it is with all open source software
613228;1397140638;danielpbarron;i've been tempted into thinking it was the devs and then the miners that had all the power
613229;1397140657;danielpbarron;but now I'm leaning to that other group, the group i'm not sure what to call
613230;1397140686;benkay;"powerful"'s a good start.
613231;1397140697;danielpbarron;"holders" ?
613232;1397140706;danielpbarron;venture capitalists? or just capitalists?
613233;1397140710;benkay;*shrug*
613234;1397140716;benkay;power comes in many forms.
613235;1397140727;benkay;sometimes it looks like btc, sometimes it looks like hashes...
613236;1397140743;danielpbarron;pankkake is right about devs, it's open source stuff
613237;1397140774;danielpbarron;so then why not the miners? and keep in mind I mean the pool operators, not the guy in his basement
613238;1397140796;pankkake;pool operators are highly dependent on their users, as it is very easy to migrate
613239;1397140814;danielpbarron;yep
613240;1397140829;benkay;everyone forced to more or less play the same way
613241;1397140832;pankkake;but, at least for now, miners don't really care about pool transaction policies
613242;1397140847;danielpbarron;they sorta do, or at least, they do when they are also a dev
613243;1397140853;danielpbarron;i can think of 1 example
613244;1397141124;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7500 @ 0.00013209 = 0.9907 BTC [-] {14} 
613245;1397141154;benkay;care to share, danielpbarron ?
613246;1397141174;danielpbarron;what? which dev is also a miner?
613247;1397141180;danielpbarron;is that not common knowledge?
613248;1397141238;benkay;oh, i thought you had an example of someone who cares about txn rules
613249;1397141249;benkay;and like maybe why and some other context
613250;1397141253;benkay;high hopes :(
613251;1397141256;danielpbarron;i do
613252;1397141300;danielpbarron;at the risk of starting the whole argument over again, the context is counterparty / mastercoin and the OP_RETURN controversy
613253;1397141316;benkay;oh sounds popcorny
613254;1397141320;danielpbarron;very
613255;1397141323;benkay;what is this controversy?
613256;1397141347;danielpbarron;counterparty stores its data in the Blockchain and the devs don't like this
613257;1397141356;danielpbarron;that's the tl;dr
613258;1397141364;benkay;what's the controversy over op_return?
613259;1397141392;pankkake;storage is a cost, and no one's rewarded for storing
613260;1397141395;danielpbarron;OP_RETURN is a place to store extra data in a transaction
613261;1397141404;pankkake;that's why transactions should be as small as possible
613262;1397141411;danielpbarron;ya, what pankkake said
613263;1397141434;pankkake;I wonder if I can easily make my public nodes stop relaying OP_RETURN :)
613264;1397141436;danielpbarron;full nodes should get most of the transaction fees, but they get nothing
613265;1397141461;danielpbarron;anyway my point is, there is controversy over transaction rules, so miners have so influence in that regard
613266;1397141465;benkay;whoa you can store data in the blockchain without paying?
613267;1397141474;danielpbarron;benkay: sorta
613268;1397141486;benkay;do elaborate i'd be much obliged
613269;1397141493;pankkake;miners get paid, not "storers"
613270;1397141499;danielpbarron;benkay: you pay, but the payment doesn't go to those actually doing the heavy lifting
613271;1397141508;benkay;oh
613272;1397141513;benkay;eh fuck 'em
613273;1397141517;benkay;blockchain's a nightmare anyways
613274;1397141527;benkay;miners get paid right?
613275;1397141530;benkay;that's all i care about.
613276;1397141533;pankkake;for me, bitcoin is terabytes of bandwith per month - I don't mind as it's almost free, but don't make the madness worse
613277;1397141537;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/morgentaler-abortion-clinic-in-fredericton-to-close-1.2604535
613278;1397141537;ozbot;Morgentaler abortion clinic in Fredericton to close  - New Brunswick - CBC News
613279;1397141539;danielpbarron;yeah but they don't need the payment; they don't mine for profit anyway
613280;1397141553;danielpbarron;hey some good news!
613281;1397141560;benkay;miners don't mine for profit?
613282;1397141562;benkay;news to me.
613283;1397141569;danielpbarron;i believe miners mine for network control
613284;1397141580;jurov;pankkake meant nonminer nodes
613285;1397141581;benkay;the state sponsored ones definitely
613286;1397141608;jurov;i don't mind a terabyte per month,too but 10TB or more... um
613287;1397141610;danielpbarron;some individuals profit i guess, if they get really cheap electricity and make their own boards
613288;1397141622;benkay;this is one of those things about bitcoin. staging on the blockchain is just going to get more and more painfully expensive.
613289;1397141624;benkay;staying*
613290;1397141631;pankkake;yeah I think I'm capped at 6TB
613291;1397141644;benkay;either you'll pay for the privilege or you won't.
613292;1397141646;benkay;end of story.
613293;1397141648;danielpbarron;benkay: what do you mean "staying on the blockchain?"
613294;1397141652;Apocalyptic;how so benkay ?
613295;1397141654;benkay;staying up to date
613296;1397141667;Apocalyptic;the maximum potential blockchain growth rate is well known
613297;1397141674;danielpbarron;storage space is trivial
613298;1397141675;Apocalyptic;thanks for the block size limit
613299;1397141685;danielpbarron;the issue isn't hard drive space
613300;1397141687;Apocalyptic;it's just some gigs/year
613301;1397141707;benkay;we're talking about the mem pool, though, right?
613302;1397141725;danielpbarron;hard drive space is only an issue to those trying to take a principled stand on not storing content to which they personally object
613303;1397141753;benkay;txns in flight is the topic, though, correct?
613304;1397141757;Apocalyptic;<benkay> we're talking about the mem pool, though, right? // you can choose not to query peers for tx data
613305;1397141765;Apocalyptic;and only get blocks I think
613306;1397141770;benkay;so do that
613307;1397141773;danielpbarron;benkay: because OP_RETURN is too small to store counterparty data, they use multi-sig addresses instead, and that uses up memory
613308;1397141798;benkay;memory where for whom in what part of the process
613309;1397141805;danielpbarron;full nodes
613310;1397141824;danielpbarron;full nodes have to keep those addresses in memory as outputs that might get spent in future transactions
613311;1397141881;benkay;when do they need that? when validating a new block?
613312;1397141891;danielpbarron;when validating transactions
613313;1397141897;danielpbarron;full nodes are not miners and miners are not full nodes
613314;1397141906;Apocalyptic;he knows that
613315;1397141906;danielpbarron;there might be some overlap
613316;1397141922;Apocalyptic;but full nodes don't need mempool data for validating blocks
613317;1397141924;benkay;so take a counterparty transaction
613318;1397141939;danielpbarron;i might be explaining some technical details incorrectly; i'm not a dev
613319;1397141939;benkay;has it been confirmed yet?
613320;1397141954;benkay;let's tell a little story and try to work through this
613321;1397141966;benkay;start with a counterparty txn. is this thing in flight or has it confirmed?
613322;1397141973;dexX7;1. metacoins and the utxo set: http://i.imgur.com/c9mpd8h.png, 2. what is way more "avoidable" than multisigs is the creation of multiple unspent outputs "to have free outputs ready" (@ xcp) x_x
613323;1397142085;danielpbarron;i'm on the side of counterparty if I had to choose, i think the decentralized exchange is a great idea
613324;1397142126;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: oh boo another glbse investor
613325;1397142137;danielpbarron;i never used that site
613326;1397142138;benkay;he's underwriting, thestringpuller
613327;1397142145;thestringpuller;exchanges will always be centralized things, there can be multiple exchanges
613328;1397142153;benkay;thestringpuller: ping ping ping ping ping
613329;1397142163;danielpbarron;i think there is room for both centralized and decentralized
613330;1397142164;thestringpuller;but each excahnge is centralized as you will always trust the issuer
613331;1397142166;dexX7;benkay: think of "let's create new transaction types and coins, encode the transaction information and store it on the blockchain as pubkeys in multisig transaction outputs"
613332;1397142172;thestringpuller;you will always have to trust the issuer*
613333;1397142181;danielpbarron;i get that, thestringpuller
613334;1397142223;Apocalyptic;oh "decentralized exchange" idea again ?
613335;1397142228;*;Apocalyptic grabs some popcorn
613336;1397142251;danielpbarron;s/idea/reality/g
613337;1397142303;thestringpuller;i feel a decentralized exchange would be littered with scams
613338;1397142308;danielpbarron;so?
613339;1397142317;danielpbarron;just like everywhere else
613340;1397142319;thestringpuller;so you want an exchange for scams?
613341;1397142330;danielpbarron;you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater?
613342;1397142332;fluffypony;http://revicharger.com
613343;1397142336;benkay;hang on this topic is stupid and boring and you're all stupid and boring for engaging in it
613344;1397142337;fluffypony;that's actually quite clever
613345;1397142337;danielpbarron;Bitcoin has enabled scams, so what?
613346;1397142345;thestringpuller;s.dice was teh closest thing to a scam no mpex...
613347;1397142355;thestringpuller;every other play exchange has had multiple scams...
613348;1397142365;danielpbarron;s.dice was a scam?
613349;1397142368;benkay;i want to know more about these memory requirements imposed by mastercoin
613350;1397142374;thestringpuller;like the ratio of scam to actual businesses was too damn high
613351;1397142377;danielpbarron;from what I read, S.DICE was managed very well
613352;1397142401;danielpbarron;benkay: why mastercoin? counterparty is live and working
613353;1397142415;benkay;counterparty whatever pedant
613354;1397142428;benkay;i lose track of all the colored coin implementations
613355;1397142483;danielpbarron;well, I'm not 100% behind the DEX; I understand the arguments against it, and it's not the end of my world if the devs figure out a way to stop it
613356;1397142494;kanzure;to be even more pedantic, counterparty isn't a colored coin implementation
613357;1397142497;kanzure;(don't kill me)
613358;1397142533;benkay;so you can't possibly be telling me that a full node needs to hold the whole bc in memory to do its job
613359;1397142533;benkay;is that so?
613360;1397142538;benkay;<-- does not run nodes
613361;1397142539;dexX7;the complaint was the amount of unspent outputs/utxo bloat created by those transactions - the argument fails because those unspent outputs are actually spendable and spent frequently
613362;1397142563;kanzure;the counterparty reference implementation requires a full bitcoin node with -txindex enabled
613363;1397142576;kanzure;so often this means reindexing the blockchain for nodes that haven't been using -txindex
613364;1397142588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11111 @ 0.00096168 = 10.6852 BTC [+]
613365;1397142590;kanzure;uh i wonder if -txindex is the right parameter. hrm. it's the one about indexing.
613366;1397142624;kanzure;anywho then the counterparty server sends getrawtransaction messages over rpc to the bitcoin node for every transaction since the burn period began
613367;1397142632;dexX7;you don't need to hold everything in memory, but there is a database with all unspent outputs. more outputs = delayed lookup
613368;1397142646;fluffypony;lol
613369;1397142681;fluffypony;my wife is talking about going to the US at some stage
613370;1397142682;fluffypony;"we must go to all 50 states. Except Alaska. Alaska isn't going to be nice."
613371;1397142704;danielpbarron;well i've seen plenty of individuals storing data in other ways, like using the last 4 or 5 decimal places of a balance to encode data
613372;1397142723;danielpbarron;the US kinda sucks; if you aren't here already, don't come
613373;1397142737;danielpbarron;not worth the risk of possibly not being allowed to leave
613374;1397142752;truffles;get items stolen at tsa
613375;1397142804;danielpbarron;get poisoned with crappy food, drugged water, groped by the "authorities," wealth confiscated because you probably sold drugs to get it
613376;1397142815;danielpbarron;or you're a terrorist
613377;1397142829;danielpbarron;honest individuals don't need money; Big Brother feeds them
613378;1397142848;kakobrekla;;;ticker
613379;1397142848;fluffypony;danielpbarron: she meant for holiday, we would never move there
613380;1397142851;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 398.55, Best ask: 399.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 400.0, 24 hour volume: 27083.22463861, 24 hour low: 398.55, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 417.472358929
613381;1397142858;danielpbarron;fluffypony: i know what you meant; don't do it
613382;1397142868;danielpbarron;for all of the above reasons
613383;1397142874;truffles;he'll have a great time let him go
613384;1397142885;danielpbarron;heh ok; just speaking from my own experience
613385;1397142893;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.58002 = 8.7003 BTC [-] {4} 
613386;1397142899;fluffypony;lol
613387;1397142899;fluffypony;the food is crappy
613388;1397142902;fluffypony;when I said that on Reddit ages ago I got attacked by apologists
613389;1397142916;Apocalyptic;dat dive
613390;1397142918;danielpbarron;there are ways to get non-crappy food but you have to know what you're doing
613391;1397142949;danielpbarron;and you probably have to avoid some taxes to afford it
613392;1397143003;fluffypony;danielpbarron: yeah that's what I figured
613393;1397143003;fluffypony;oh look, welcome to the magical 400.00
613394;1397143011;danielpbarron;:O
613395;1397143025;danielpbarron;bitcoinaverage says 389
613396;1397143027;danielpbarron;damn
613397;1397143029;taub;its on
613398;1397143030;fluffypony;ouch
613399;1397143037;fluffypony;yeah just took a nose dive down
613400;1397143053;danielpbarron;i guess those peeps who were bugging me to buy the other day are happy now
613401;1397143054;benkay;no demand :)
613402;1397143058;benkay;bitcoin's a scam
613403;1397143136;fluffypony;benkay: I thought it was a ponzi scheme?
613404;1397143137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00096241 = 26.37 BTC [+] {2} 
613405;1397143179;kanzure;i'm making a collection of overly-enthusiastic claims about bitcoin
613406;1397143186;kanzure;i'm open to suggestions for what content to include
613407;1397143202;fluffypony;kanzure: this is GOOD news!
613408;1397143208;kanzure;i want the stuff that will still found funny even if bitcoin does eat up the world
613409;1397143214;kanzure;like this one: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/fanaticism/if-i-was-chairman-of-the-fed.yaml
613410;1397143249;danielpbarron;lol
613411;1397143269;danielpbarron;"If I was Chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve, the most powerful central bank in the world, I would be buying bitcoin like mad."
613412;1397143278;danielpbarron;LIKE MAD, YO
613413;1397143279;fluffypony;almost buttcoins http://i.imgur.com/6GhqT4q.jpg
613414;1397143309;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/patrick-brazeau-suspended-senator-arrested-in-gatineau-1.2605159
613415;1397143310;ozbot;Patrick Brazeau, suspended senator, arrested in Gatineau - Ottawa - CBC News
613416;1397143312;kanzure;personally i think all bitcointalk.org posts should start with "Yo,"
613417;1397143319;danielpbarron;haha i've probably been on that train, looks like MTA
613418;1397143335;nubbins`;from law-school dropout to canadian senator to strip club manager
613419;1397143342;nubbins`;GREAT SENATE PICK, HARPER
613420;1397143352;kanzure;what's wrong with running a strip club?
613421;1397143361;nubbins`;nothing
613422;1397143381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00096159 = 17.0201 BTC [-]
613423;1397143382;kanzure;oh i see, i should have asked what's wrong with the senate =)
613424;1397143387;nubbins`;EVERYTHING
613425;1397143427;nubbins`;seriously. the senate. highest judicial body in the country. guy gets fired for being a shitbag, and the best job he can scrounge together after that is putting together the weekly schedule at the fuckin Bare Fax
613426;1397143446;nubbins`;almost makes you think he shouldn't have been appointed to the senate in the first place
613427;1397143453;danielpbarron;"The banks would be saved because people would be borrowing as much money as possible in order to buy bitcoin."  <-- ...
613428;1397143455;thestringpuller;bet closed
613429;1397143467;thestringpuller;;;ticker
613430;1397143469;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 390.0, Best ask: 390.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 390.0, 24 hour volume: 30204.17198800, 24 hour low: 382.7, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 413.134967346
613431;1397143469;kanzure;danielpbarron: this is the sort of hyper-fanatacism that i am seeking
613432;1397143499;danielpbarron;one-of-a-kind stupidity there
613433;1397143798;BingoBoingo;;;ticker
613434;1397143799;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 385.52, Best ask: 389.82, Bid-ask spread: 4.30000, Last trade: 385.51, 24 hour volume: 30635.18837803, 24 hour low: 382.7, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 412.975167632
613435;1397144540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 101 @ 0.05454506 = 5.5091 BTC [-] {3} 
613436;1397145613;ThickAsThieves;;;market buy 10000
613437;1397145613;gribble;Bitstamp | A market order to buy 10000 bitcoins right now would take 4496710.4412 USD and would take the last price up to 520.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 449.6710 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 232.9129 seconds
613438;1397145635;ThickAsThieves;;;market buy 25000
613439;1397145636;gribble;Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 24098.515 bitcoins, for a total of 17899251.1321 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 0.0374 seconds
613440;1397145638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.14857344 BTC to 7`663 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
613441;1397145643;ThickAsThieves;lol
613442;1397145653;ThickAsThieves;;;market buy 15000
613443;1397145654;gribble;Bitstamp | A market order to buy 15000 bitcoins right now would take 7503392.7506 USD and would take the last price up to 655.6800 USD, resulting in an average price of 500.2262 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 18.2787 seconds
613444;1397145661;ThickAsThieves;;;market buy 20000
613445;1397145662;gribble;Bitstamp | A market order to buy 20000 bitcoins right now would take 11195529.8825 USD and would take the last price up to 849.9800 USD, resulting in an average price of 559.7765 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 25.9547 seconds
613446;1397145681;ThickAsThieves;;;market buy 22500
613447;1397145682;gribble;Bitstamp | A market order to buy 22500 bitcoins right now would take 13607783.7198 USD and would take the last price up to 1075.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 604.7904 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 45.7563 seconds
613448;1397145695;ThickAsThieves;;;market buy 23500
613449;1397145695;gribble;Bitstamp | A market order to buy 23500 bitcoins right now would take 14785226.8837 USD and would take the last price up to 1299.9800 USD, resulting in an average price of 629.1586 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 59.7878 seconds
613450;1397145782;ThickAsThieves;so about 24k coins on the market
613451;1397145813;benkay;http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303873604579492364231819656?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303873604579492364231819656.html
613452;1397145814;ozbot;Weak Chinese Trade Data Cloud Growth Hopes - WSJ.com
613453;1397145876;dvsdude;Stephen Colbert will succeed David Letterman as host of 'The Late Show'
613454;1397145882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00096323 = 12.233 BTC [+] {2} 
613455;1397145910;ThickAsThieves;that works
613456;1397145916;ThickAsThieves;letterman is boring as shit
613457;1397145939;ThickAsThieves;too bad theyll suck the sould out of colbert
613458;1397145991;benkay;colbert and stewart's shows are utterly inane
613459;1397146004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.05372855 = 0.3761 BTC [-] {3} 
613460;1397146211;MisterE;;;ticker --market all
613461;1397146218;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 394.01, vol: 32951.86032124 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 390.1, vol: 22796.91906 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 392.749, vol: 30240.18749975 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 410.01, vol: 129.0017673 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 393.274998, vol: 7320.90170000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 404.94534, vol: 10.79592654 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 391.7544, vol: 226.91088511 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
613462;1397146858;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1817 @ 0.00007206 = 0.1309 BTC [-] {3} 
613463;1397147407;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0520112 = 0.156 BTC [-]
613464;1397147529;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0520112 = 0.104 BTC [-]
613465;1397147590;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0520112 = 0.104 BTC [-]
613466;1397147945;BingoBoingo;!t h neobeeq
613467;1397147946;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEEQ] 1D: 0.00006400 / 9.041E-5 / 0.00013699 (62600 shares, 5.65942599 BTC), 7D: 0.00000001 / 0.00014715 / 0.00045000 (549731 shares, 80.89403744 BTC), 30D: 0.00000001 / 0.0012483 / 0.00439999 (873212 shares, 1090.03105206 BTC)
613468;1397148252;benkay;!t h rent
613469;1397148253;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (100 shares, 0.75000000 BTC), 7D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (2267 shares, 17.00250000 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00700671 / 0.00750000 (27302 shares, 191.29708437 BTC)
613470;1397148265;benkay;how long does this one go for?
613471;1397148302;pLambert;until the end of the month, I think
613472;1397148627;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.052011 = 0.156 BTC [-]
613473;1397148683;benkay;;;cal 17.00250000/2267
613474;1397148684;gribble;Error: "cal" is not a valid command.
613475;1397148689;benkay;;;calc 17.00250000/2267
613476;1397148689;gribble;0.0075
613477;1397150028;keonne;keonne: #bitcoin-assets is like a second job << first job for most people here. i see that, at least im honest, maybe one day i will be able to afford the trading platform fee and have my mind warped enough to warrant a spot in the full time club
613478;1397150030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40321 @ 0.00095724 = 38.5969 BTC [-] {4} 
613479;1397150062;keonne;er meant to tab mircea
613480;1397150126;nubbins`;what in the fuck is a job
613481;1397150177;keonne;honestly my job doesnt feel like a job, so i guess im lucky there
613482;1397150184;keonne;also h8 at nubbins`
613483;1397150200;nubbins`;don't h8, m8
613484;1397150213;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1136 @ 0.00014711 = 0.1671 BTC [+]
613485;1397150214;keonne;since in my mind hes lounging in a pool flush with btc and pussy in the virgin islands
613486;1397150224;keonne;dont ruin the image, i want to be you
613487;1397150229;truffles;haha
613488;1397150244;truffles;cept he lives in frozen canada :D
613489;1397150259;keonne;oh dear
613490;1397150273;keonne;but aye on the pools of btc and pussy
613491;1397150274;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 864 @ 0.00014984 = 0.1295 BTC [+] {5} 
613492;1397150336;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00078399 = 0.196 BTC [+] {2} 
613493;1397150363;truffles;pussy is so overrated anus is where its at
613494;1397150427;dignork;mircea_popescu, it's just a sensible default, which can be changed via weechat.look.paste_max_lines, same idea is implemented in some unixes by aliasing 'rm' to 'rm -i', just a default
613495;1397150466;nubbins`;it's too cold for backyard pools here
613496;1397150545;keonne;does anyone use the blockchain android wallet
613497;1397150562;nubbins`;android is for poor people
613498;1397150582;keonne;lol
613499;1397150585;truffles;dam i missed that memo
613500;1397150604;benkay;phones are for wage slaves
613501;1397150611;fluffypony;nubbins`: so you're a Windows Phone user, then?
613502;1397150615;nubbins`;http://www.osnews.com/story/27661/_Android_is_for_poor_people_
613503;1397150616;ozbot;'Android is for poor people'
613504;1397150634;keonne;lol such helpful
613505;1397150635;nubbins`;http://gizmodo.com/5977625/android-is-popular-because-its-cheap-not-because-its-good
613506;1397150636;ozbot;Android Is Popular Because It's Cheap, Not Because It's Good
613507;1397150662;keonne;gizmodo is popular because it's cheap, not because it's good
613508;1397150664;nubbins`;http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/362650/android-handsets-a-poor-mans-iphone-research-claims
613509;1397150674;ozbot;Android handsets a poor man's iPhone, research claims | News | PC Pro
613510;1397150677;nubbins`;http://theinterrobang.com/2013/07/rich-people-like-iphones-poor-people-like-android/
613511;1397150678;ozbot;Rich People Like iPhones, Poor People Like Android – The Interrobang
613512;1397150681;fluffypony;gizmodo is popular? I stopped reading there a long time ago
613513;1397150685;truffles;so Iphones are popular cuz theyre shiny?
613514;1397150690;keonne;how do you have all these on hand nubbins`
613515;1397150693;benkay;such science
613516;1397150695;nubbins`;i don't
613517;1397150703;nubbins`;i just googled "android is for poor people"
613518;1397150706;keonne;lol
613519;1397150718;keonne;this is why you get all the pussy and btc
613520;1397150723;keonne;and im a simple wage slave
613521;1397150729;nubbins`;not really
613522;1397150770;nubbins`;smartphones are for fucking losers in general
613523;1397150776;keonne;asciilifeform: what was the name of that soviet cartoon you mentioned earlier
613524;1397150785;nubbins`;REAL MEN CHECK THEIR TELEPHONES SEVERAL TIMES AN HOUR
613525;1397150792;truffles;nubbins` what do u use?
613526;1397150802;nubbins`;IPHONE
613527;1397150806;nubbins`;i mean, iphone
613528;1397150808;nubbins`;heh
613529;1397150811;keonne;iPhone
613530;1397150812;truffles;oh ok
613531;1397150832;truffles;im surprised cuz i read they dont withstand cold temps
613532;1397150851;fluffypony;nubbins`: want a wooden case for it? we have a bunch as gifts, but most of our customers are Android users, and the guy that makes them doesn't make Android cases
613533;1397150852;nubbins`;shrug. i keep my phone in my pocket, not my mailbox
613534;1397150879;nubbins`;fluffypony, i don't use cases, but tyvm
613535;1397150885;fluffypony;np
613536;1397150918;keonne;cases are for poor people according to nubbins`
613537;1397150922;fluffypony;lol
613538;1397150928;nubbins`;now you're putting words in my mouth
613539;1397150935;nubbins`;cases are for clumsy people
613540;1397150936;keonne;guilty
613541;1397150945;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.00759849 = 0.152 BTC [+] {2} 
613542;1397150959;keonne;but i also did make up a life story for you
613543;1397150963;nubbins`;if you drop your $500 phone so often that you need to put it in a case, maybe you shouldn't have one
613544;1397150993;truffles;im pretty rough i need a case
613545;1397151005;keonne;my phone was $200
613546;1397151013;jurov;orly? mahogany smartphone box?
613547;1397151018;nubbins`;consider the statement suitably modified
613548;1397151026;keonne;still stands
613549;1397151036;truffles;200 sounds so modest dam!
613550;1397151048;nubbins`;keonne: but was it subsidized?
613551;1397151050;keonne;nexus 5
613552;1397151052;keonne;no
613553;1397151056;*;nubbins` claps
613554;1397151059;keonne;unlocked off contract
613555;1397151132;keonne;no, subsidized phones are for poor people
613556;1397151148;keonne;and for people who will probably be perpetually poor
613557;1397151156;jurov;http://www.magazinehive.com/2013/08/iphone-4-and-iphone-4s-cases/ grep for bamboo or mahogany
613558;1397151156;ozbot;40+ Beautiful iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S Cases for Your Smartphone
613559;1397151157;keonne;because it's a really bad deal
613560;1397151174;nubbins`;no doubt you've got some math to back that up
613561;1397151189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00096327 = 10.7405 BTC [+]
613562;1397151196;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/Gv2WlWv.jpg
613563;1397151204;fluffypony;those are the cases we have
613564;1397151210;fluffypony;wood is pretty
613565;1397151215;nubbins`;it is indeed
613566;1397151216;keonne;thats nice fluffypony
613567;1397151218;nubbins`;engraving kinda ruins it
613568;1397151221;truffles;ppl actually back things up with scientific data itc? pfff
613569;1397151222;fluffypony;nubbins`: hush
613570;1397151230;fluffypony;:-P
613571;1397151230;nubbins`;might as well put a coca-cola logo on there
613572;1397151249;nubbins`;truffles: who said anything about scientific? napkin scribbles would do
613573;1397151261;truffles;might as well not
613574;1397151262;truffles;imo
613575;1397151292;nubbins`;suppose you save $500 by getting a subsidy. at the end of your two-year contract, you own your phone
613576;1397151297;truffles;that baseball case looks cute
613577;1397151305;keonne;well lets see, $500 phone you get for $250 because you sign a 2 year contract paying ~60-80 a month. 
613578;1397151307;nubbins`;or you spend the extra $500, and two years later, you own your phone
613579;1397151315;nubbins`;what's the difference?
613580;1397151350;keonne;the difference is poor people shouldnt eb buying 500 dollar phones
613581;1397151361;truffles;yep
613582;1397151369;nubbins`;well, that certainly answers a different question
613583;1397151373;nubbins`;how about the one i asked :D
613584;1397151374;truffles;im gonna aim for that 200 next phone!
613585;1397151374;keonne;sorry i keep going in and out of cell signal
613586;1397151385;nubbins`;shoulda bought an iphone i guess
613587;1397151393;keonne;or not be on a train going into tunnels
613588;1397151403;nubbins`;sure
613589;1397151405;nubbins`;either way.
613590;1397151418;nubbins`;explain to me how buying the phone outright is a better deal in the long run
613591;1397151431;keonne;depends on the price of the phone
613592;1397151444;nubbins`;let's say a new iphone
613593;1397151453;jurov;nubbins`: depends on if you're poor :DDDDD
613594;1397151453;nubbins`;$700 straight-up or $200 on a two-year contract
613595;1397151456;keonne;how much are those?
613596;1397151462;keonne;ah ok
613597;1397151473;keonne;thats insane..... first of all
613598;1397151489;daybyter;got my new smartphone today.
613599;1397151490;keonne;how much is the contract  per month?
613600;1397151506;daybyter;pomp w88 Euro 105,- plus shipping.
613601;1397151513;TomServo;nubbins`: I think it depends on how much you value being able to switch carriers on a whim.
613602;1397151522;nubbins`;TomServo: $0
613603;1397151527;keonne;i mean i havent had a contract in 3 years
613604;1397151535;nubbins`;keonne: well, that depends heavily on how good you are at bargaining
613605;1397151550;keonne;and i have unlimited 4g data in both the US and Europe
613606;1397151551;TomServo;nubbins`: I'm just saying, that is what makes it a "better deal" to some people.
613607;1397151551;nubbins`;which (sorry to ruin the surprise) was the crux of my argument
613608;1397151558;keonne;for £15 pay as you go a month
613609;1397151591;nubbins`;canada is relatively expensive for cell service
613610;1397151597;nubbins`;i pay, i think, $50/mo
613611;1397151632;keonne;its all highly situational
613612;1397151635;nubbins`;yep
613613;1397151639;keonne;i remmeber not even being able to get a sim card in canada
613614;1397151652;keonne;without a canadian ID
613615;1397151654;nubbins`;all different now, LTE nationwide
613616;1397151658;nubbins`;ah, without an id
613617;1397151663;nubbins`;not sure about that
613618;1397151668;keonne;in UK i go to the corner shop
613619;1397151680;keonne;and i can buyt as many sim cards as I want for£1 each
613620;1397151699;nubbins`;neat
613621;1397151718;nubbins`;TomServo: fair enough, but worth an extra $500?
613622;1397151725;daybyter;any android coders here, who also do java?
613623;1397151730;nubbins`;ostensibly you're changing providers to get a better rate
613624;1397151739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.007696 = 0.1539 BTC [+] {2} 
613625;1397151758;nubbins`;to make it worth $500, you'd need to save ~$21/mo by switching providers
613626;1397151780;nubbins`;it could be argued that you just picked the wrong provider to start with
613627;1397151789;keonne;daybyter: not being snarky but dont all android devs have to know java? i thought that was part of the deal.
613628;1397151804;fluffypony;keonne: I was about to say the same thing
613629;1397151805;daybyter;I mean android and desktop-java.
613630;1397151806;fluffypony;say/ask
613631;1397151809;fluffypony;ah ok
613632;1397151826;daybyter;I have a lib that should run on desktop and android.
613633;1397151844;daybyter;no I wonder how to compile it best.
613634;1397151856;daybyter;add android.jar to the required libs?
613635;1397151865;daybyter;use conditional compiling?
613636;1397151868;nubbins`;^
613637;1397151900;bounce;write it for z-machine
613638;1397151951;daybyter;I used antenna back in the days of j2me projects.
613639;1397152004;nubbins`;i googled everything back in the days of writing code ;D
613640;1397152013;nubbins`;why reinvent the wheel!
613641;1397152041;daybyter;google had no good solution available?
613642;1397152061;daybyter;maybe I'm just the first one who had this idea? :-)
613643;1397152064;nubbins`;if we were fencing, i'd say touche
613644;1397152146;keonne;bloody tunnels
613645;1397152171;truffles;is that code for sex?
613646;1397152176;nubbins`;HEH.
613647;1397152185;keonne;haha
613648;1397152188;fluffypony;yay! sex!
613649;1397152191;nubbins`;i want to enter your bloody tunnel
613650;1397152205;nubbins`;i should try this on my wife when she gets home
613651;1397152219;truffles;she likes red so go for it
613652;1397152222;keonne;let us know how that goes
613653;1397152252;nubbins`;my money is on a chuckle
613654;1397152335;keonne;gents i am off
613655;1397152345;keonne;as always its been a pleasure
613656;1397152352;daybyter;cul!
613657;1397152550;nubbins`;;;ticker
613658;1397152552;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.95, Best ask: 402.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 401.95, 24 hour volume: 36500.33354409, 24 hour low: 382.7, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 409.175624476
613659;1397152567;nubbins`;oddly, no suicide hotline phone number on reddit
613660;1397152607;keonne;http://trilema.com/2014/filantropica/ god damn, this is a good article. I really want to see this movie even more now.
613661;1397152608;ozbot;Filantropica pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
613662;1397152792;fluffypony;keonne: you said you were off!
613663;1397152813;keonne;i know
613664;1397152817;keonne;train is a bit delayed
613665;1397152820;fluffypony;ah ok
613666;1397152843;daybyter;keonne: you're an android coder?
613667;1397152851;keonne;not at all daybyter
613668;1397152868;daybyter;you're an android designer?
613669;1397152879;keonne;The only coding I do is a very hobbyist hack job at python
613670;1397152898;keonne;im a designer in general, focusing on UI, and I do a lot of android apps
613671;1397152898;daybyter;oh...ok...
613672;1397152911;nubbins`;it'll be 14 months on sunday since i gave up programming
613673;1397152915;daybyter;hmmh...that sounds interesting!
613674;1397152932;daybyter;I want to create an android app and look for help with the UI.
613675;1397152940;keonne;current i am redoing the blockchain android wallet, which is why i as asking earlier if anyone used it
613676;1397152958;daybyter;interested in a trading app?
613677;1397152961;fluffypony;nubbins`: how are you handling it?
613678;1397152968;keonne;and if they wanted to bitch at me their least favourite things
613679;1397152989;keonne;nubbins`: congrats :)
613680;1397152997;nubbins`;fluffypony, never been happier
613681;1397153007;mike_c;eulorum is dead.  long live eulorum.
613682;1397153013;nubbins`;woo
613683;1397153016;mike_c;new server, new install
613684;1397153019;mike_c;copied shit over
613685;1397153021;*;nubbins` high fives mike
613686;1397153027;daybyter;I write java trading code.
613687;1397153032;mike_c;nubbins, i copied over your password hash so you should be able to login
613688;1397153037;daybyter;and currently port some stuff to android.
613689;1397153043;nubbins`;i was briefly excited when i saw the "recent changes" page until i took a closer look :D
613690;1397153044;nubbins`;tyvm
613691;1397153057;nubbins`;keonne: thanks :D
613692;1397153061;daybyter;looking for someone to make a pretty app.
613693;1397153105;benkay`;what's your budget?
613694;1397153113;benkay`;daybyter: what's your budget?
613695;1397153132;daybyter;I thought about a collab.
613696;1397153153;daybyter;maybe share the profit, if the app could be sold.
613697;1397153176;keonne;daybyter: sorry man, i really dont have the time
613698;1397153183;benkay`;what's the app?
613699;1397153188;keonne;plus you would hate working with me
613700;1397153198;daybyter;tradebot
613701;1397153214;daybyter;maybe manual trading, but I wanted to start as simple as possible.
613702;1397153233;benkay`;and you don't have the budget to pay for its production?
613703;1397153234;daybyter;I already got most of the stuff running on desktop.
613704;1397153240;keonne;i'm incredibly anal when it comes to design, and more engineers go crazy working with me
613705;1397153244;keonne;plus im expensive
613706;1397153265;daybyter;http://i.imgur.com/MqHfF.jpg
613707;1397153287;daybyter;http://i.imgur.com/xpqoqnk.png
613708;1397153287;mircea_popescu;dignork i know i know, jus' being an hardass spuriously.
613709;1397153304;daybyter;but I want to use a strategy that is a lot more simple.
613710;1397153348;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves dvsdude benkay` what the shit, letterman was supposed to be a comic neh ? colbert is now funny ?
613711;1397153375;benkay`;colbert's never been funny.
613712;1397153422;daybyter;benkay`: mail me, if you are interested.
613713;1397153458;daybyter;my mail is in almost all my sources: https://github.com/ReAzem/cryptocoin-tradelib
613714;1397153506;thestringpuller;;;ticker
613715;1397153507;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.99, Best ask: 402.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 401.99, 24 hour volume: 36649.25150965, 24 hour low: 382.7, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 408.857388372
613716;1397153631;keonne;ok now im leaving for real
613717;1397153645;daybyter;cu!
613718;1397153713;nubbins`;heh
613719;1397153723;nubbins`;educating -otc on the perils of referring to cash-in-mail as CIM
613720;1397153727;benkay`;daybyter: not really interested.
613721;1397153749;daybyter;ok.
613722;1397153755;daybyter;thanks for your answer.
613723;1397153766;truff1es;awww
613724;1397153783;nubbins`;"willing to do CIM" etc
613725;1397153784;nubbins`;my sides
613726;1397153820;mircea_popescu;mike_c yeah it wasn't working b4 was it ?
613727;1397153859;mike_c;it was basically under assault from spam bots
613728;1397153882;mike_c;i didn't realize what a honeypot mediawiki is.
613729;1397153885;nubbins`;lots of pages about buying discount shoes
613730;1397153904;mircea_popescu;nubbins` what perils be those ?
613731;1397153913;mike_c;but the new cat photos captcha should prevent that.
613732;1397153922;nubbins`;mircea_popescu basically just drawing snickers from dirtbags like me
613733;1397153924;nubbins`;;;ud cim
613734;1397153924;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cim | Upload a picture of Cim. 2. cim. Cum In Mouth. Meaning ejaculation of the man's sperm into anothers mouth. This may or may not be followed by the swallowing ...
613735;1397153925;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: cim
613736;1397153934;mircea_popescu;oh oh
613737;1397153950;nubbins`;oddly, nobody looking for just COF
613738;1397153962;mircea_popescu;cash on forehead ?
613739;1397153968;nubbins`;;;ud cof
613740;1397153968;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=C.O.F. | cof. Cum On Face - Sexual act often used when describing services offered by an escort. The escort I saw last night provided cof in addition to bbbj and fs.
613741;1397153969;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: C.O.F.
613742;1397153971;nubbins`;close enough ;D
613743;1397153991;benkay`;coin on, fellow.
613744;1397153995;nubbins`;heh
613745;1397154133;mircea_popescu;http://image.stirileprotv.ro/media/images/680xX/Apr2013/61303332.jpg
613746;1397154154;mircea_popescu;is bbbj like a blowjob with three girls ?
613747;1397154232;mircea_popescu;http://media.realitatea.ro/multimedia/image/201310/w728/taranul_83111800.jpg << cash on forehead. fo reals.
613748;1397154235;truff1es;why wouldnt u think doods
613749;1397154281;mircea_popescu;http://image.stirileprotv.ro/media/images/680xX/Jan2013/61251270.jpg
613750;1397154481;benkay`;http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/28/article-1315776-0B612CFF000005DC-268_468x519.jpg
613751;1397154490;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
613752;1397154491;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 398.52, Best ask: 401.75, Bid-ask spread: 3.23000, Last trade: 398.46, 24 hour volume: 36696.67930975, 24 hour low: 382.7, 24 hour high: 446.97, 24 hour vwap: 408.824895153
613753;1397154507;benkay`;450 -> 398
613754;1397154511;mircea_popescu;srsly
613755;1397154524;benkay`;"why is it crashing?"
613756;1397154536;mircea_popescu;"because the exchanges are less and less relevant" ?
613757;1397154562;asciilifeform;we might be witnessing a bifurcation a la 'bezzle dollar'
613758;1397154582;asciilifeform;(or this happened ages ago, and i'm just the last one to notice)
613759;1397154596;mircea_popescu;they've painted themselves in a corner, basically. if all you wanna do is buy 20 bucks wortha btc to "have some", no way in fuck do you go through all the caudine forkland of "send us a pic with you holding a seal". odds are you don't even have a phone.
613760;1397154596;benkay`;there is a bit of a discount for magical bitcoins
613761;1397154615;mircea_popescu;if you want 20k worth of btc, no fucking way you'll take that level of service. just find an escort that does COF CIM and BTC
613762;1397154625;fluffypony;CIM
613763;1397154630;mircea_popescu;so i guess the scammers get a whole new market now.
613764;1397154630;fluffypony;:-P
613765;1397154631;asciilifeform;at this point, even the most threadbare engineer is probably just buying coin from his coworkers
613766;1397154652;fluffypony;I have a lot of people I know that prefer to buy from me instead of buying on the local exchange
613767;1397154658;fluffypony;even though I keep telling them to
613768;1397154664;fluffypony;because it's annoying
613769;1397154665;mircea_popescu;fuck the local exchange.
613770;1397154672;mircea_popescu;the future belongs to otc trades of btc.
613771;1397154693;mircea_popescu;the various fiat jurisdictions had ~5 years to get their shit together and suck our cock enough to acquire this revenue stream.
613772;1397154694;mircea_popescu;they have failed.
613773;1397154695;asciilifeform;wonder at what point exchanges will survive primarily on payola from whoever they are stoolies for, rather than commissions
613774;1397154701;mircea_popescu;no btc/fiat exchangesd for them. herp.
613775;1397154710;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: we have a community here of < 500 people actively interested in Bitcoin, not just peripherally
613776;1397154710;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at the point of 2014.
613777;1397154715;mircea_popescu;fluffypony cool.
613778;1397154724;fluffypony;it's tiny
613779;1397154732;mircea_popescu;depends who they are.
613780;1397154740;fluffypony;true
613781;1397154741;mircea_popescu;500 is too many for spartans.
613782;1397154751;taub;https://www.dropbox.com/s/z73tt8mgr6tndzy/FooledByRandomness.pdf cool book i'm reading right now
613783;1397154769;fluffypony;unfortunately the majority of them are kinda-nerdy-oh-look-here-I-can-get-rich
613784;1397154787;dignork;mircea_popescu, you said before that bitcoin-otc is irrelevant
613785;1397154796;truff1es;$$$$
613786;1397154807;fluffypony;dollah dollah billz, ya'll
613787;1397154822;bounce;otc is fun and fluffy and lovable and full of scammers
613788;1397154824;truff1es;ppl can change their minds
613789;1397154895;mircea_popescu;dignork otc as a concept. "over the counter"
613790;1397154906;mircea_popescu;as opposed to "in an 'organised' ie regulated market"
613791;1397154950;dignork;mircea_popescu, sure, but so far bitcoin-otc based on WOT is the closest to OTC that I've seen so far
613792;1397154952;mircea_popescu;bitcoin-otc was last i checked run mostly by dorks, and so consequently populated mostly by dorks
613793;1397154990;fluffypony;hah hah - this was posted re: the < $400 slump: http://i.imgur.com/2bVRHRX.jpg
613794;1397155009;mircea_popescu;dignork i dunno, imo all of irc and a lot more is otc in this sense.
613795;1397155062;mircea_popescu;fluffypony sure, except we've seen it three times already : the people who are butthurt during upswings because they were left out still don't buy during downswings because now it's more like "Haha! it's dead!"
613796;1397155080;mircea_popescu;mental issuez
613797;1397155083;fluffypony;that is VERY true
613798;1397155096;fluffypony;every time it's tanked I've bought on the downswing
613799;1397155131;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/#c2762
613800;1397155133;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before June
613801;1397155134;mircea_popescu;this is a sad puppy
613802;1397155154;fluffypony;what is annoying is when the media talks about Bitcoin's "surprising resiliance despite being declared dead"
613803;1397155155;fluffypony;like wtf
613804;1397155166;fluffypony;just because someone says its dead doesn't automagically make it so
613805;1397155182;benkay;http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/#b62
613806;1397155184;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before June
613807;1397155199;benkay;they imagine their imagination matters, fluffypony .
613808;1397155201;mjr_;what up everyone
613809;1397155206;benkay;oh look who it is
613810;1397155209;mjr_;hahaha
613811;1397155211;benkay;mr constantly dropping connections
613812;1397155215;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 546 @ 0.00075904 = 0.4144 BTC [-] {5} 
613813;1397155216;mjr_;i know :(
613814;1397155224;benkay;still going to burning man with the shreminal?
613815;1397155229;mjr_;not sure...
613816;1397155237;benkay;2 things i'm bummed about missing this year
613817;1397155238;mircea_popescu;fluffypony well yeah, it's sort-of like putin's surprising resilience in spite of being declared crazy.
613818;1397155241;mjr_;i was supposed to go hang out with him while i was in nyc
613819;1397155242;benkay;bm and mp
613820;1397155253;mircea_popescu;teh media has serious issues coming to some sort of representation of its own irrelevance.
613821;1397155262;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: or Robert Mugabe's surprising resilience despite him probably being dead
613822;1397155266;mjr_;am I safe in assuming that everyone here thinks trying to change the bitcoin symbol is stupid and a waste of time?
613823;1397155267;mircea_popescu;mjr_ dude wtf was with all those parts.
613824;1397155276;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 454 @ 0.00075 = 0.3405 BTC [-]
613825;1397155287;mjr_;when was that? I'm not sure if my laptop was even open...
613826;1397155288;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu ocd
613827;1397155297;benkay;i advocate we abandon the btc symbol all together and just use a capital b
613828;1397155300;benkay;200B
613829;1397155302;mjr_;what up kakobrekla
613830;1397155307;kakobrekla;heya
613831;1397155319;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2014#609470
613832;1397155323;mjr_;basically i think i slam dunked the argument against symbol change
613833;1397155323;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
613834;1397155323;mircea_popescu;mjr_ ^
613835;1397155351;mjr_;phones can currently type the bitcoin symbol...i don't even know how you would convince apple or motorola to add a  keyboard
613836;1397155360;mjr_;or what keyboard it should be under
613837;1397155378;mircea_popescu;benkay i never used no dumbass symbol.
613838;1397155378;kakobrekla;you comming to ro or what?
613839;1397155381;benkay;bitcoin advocacy, mjr_ ?
613840;1397155392;mjr_;but the amount of changes that using the proposed symbol would cost dwarf any benefit
613841;1397155401;benkay;no symbol.
613842;1397155407;fluffypony;benkay: what about a backwards Euro symbol, then it looks kinda like a monkey butt
613843;1397155409;mjr_;i have to try and get people to shut the fuck up and open their eyes and see how the world works
613844;1397155418;benkay;no man it's a waste of time
613845;1397155422;benkay;fuck retards get paper
613846;1397155425;mjr_;good point
613847;1397155442;mircea_popescu;how about we just use $
613848;1397155448;mircea_popescu;not like the usd will survive anyway.
613849;1397155460;bounce;and let people think it's the new USD?
613850;1397155463;mircea_popescu;and afair they stole it off the mexicans on the same grounds.
613851;1397155482;bounce;USB, the new USD
613852;1397155485;benkay;too early
613853;1397155486;mjr_;well...there are 30 other countries using $
613854;1397155491;mjr_;many more using "dollar"
613855;1397155493;mircea_popescu;bounce no moar like BD, the new USD
613856;1397155510;mircea_popescu;mjr_ exactly. argentina prices everything in "dollars", there's 3 of them
613857;1397155512;mircea_popescu;at least.
613858;1397155533;mjr_;which was my point...zeroblock told me on twitter "amateur hour is over"...i was like so canada, australia, mexico, etc are still in amateur hour...
613859;1397155548;mjr_;in the real world, symbols are mapped onto many currencies
613860;1397155554;mircea_popescu;who is zeroblock and what makes him think he can talk about amateur hour lol
613861;1397155558;mjr_;hahahaha
613862;1397155577;mircea_popescu;mp, lord of the fundamental questions.
613863;1397155581;mjr_;just part of the group of people who think that they understand the standards committees and how the real world works
613864;1397155586;mjr_;similar to the whole "XBT" thing
613865;1397155602;mjr_;which is the same issue...you don't pick a name and then ISO standardizes
613866;1397155611;mircea_popescu;we should have a drama department
613867;1397155612;mjr_;ISO will tell you what the official name is, and then you adopt it
613868;1397155614;mircea_popescu;like every highschool.
613869;1397155616;mjr_;yep
613870;1397155626;mircea_popescu;then the fat chicks can go and pretend like they're acting there after school
613871;1397155631;mjr_;its good to be chatting, and btw, it is very fun seeing people talk about you when you are not htere
613872;1397155638;mjr_;its nice
613873;1397155644;mjr_;to see yourself in the mirror
613874;1397155647;mircea_popescu;well they were talking about how much you piss them off
613875;1397155649;mjr_;and I think I will start blogging more
613876;1397155651;mjr_;hehehe
613877;1397155661;mjr_;maybe i didn't read that far down
613878;1397155672;mjr_;why not just ignore me?
613879;1397155687;benkay;ey lookit what princessnell's been up to: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2423461
613880;1397155692;mjr_;as in the IRC command, not attention wise
613881;1397155703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72651 @ 0.00096485 = 70.0973 BTC [+] {5} 
613882;1397155704;mircea_popescu;not sure.
613883;1397155720;mircea_popescu;benkay chick writing a paper about us ?!
613884;1397155759;benkay;oh indeed.
613885;1397155776;benkay;oh it's great
613886;1397155787;mircea_popescu;pastebin that shit
613887;1397155788;mircea_popescu;ssrn bs
613888;1397155791;bounce;"why not just ignore all the spam in your inbox?" "why not just ignore that DDoS coming in?" -- such sensible questions.
613889;1397155800;mircea_popescu;bounce he's new.
613890;1397155811;benkay;it has footnotes and stuff that won't survive so well
613891;1397155817;bounce;shh. lemme admire the sensibility a bit more.
613892;1397155831;benkay;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID2423461_code510873.pdf?abstractid=2423461&mirid=1
613893;1397155831;mircea_popescu;kk
613894;1397155832;ozbot;Bitcoin Financial Regulation: Securities, Derivatives, Prediction Markets, & Gambling by Jerry  Brit
613895;1397155873;fluffypony;also known as BFR:SDPMG
613896;1397155879;fluffypony;bJB
613897;1397155889;bounce;SSRN, wasn't that a class of antidepressants?
613898;1397155931;akstunt600;Maybe bitcoin really needs to get cracked down on for it to thrive the way we want
613899;1397155951;akstunt600;the gen y kids the ones that need the most arent even using it yet really
613900;1397155966;akstunt600;bounce, tHAT WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT
613901;1397155970;akstunt600;oops caps
613902;1397156004;danielpbarron;bitcoin doesn't get "cracked down on;" it does the cracking
613903;1397156007;mircea_popescu;bounce nah a social studies bs
613904;1397156013;akstunt600;hhahaha
613905;1397156024;mircea_popescu;akstunt600 an' who might you be ?
613906;1397156046;bounce;"wordy stuff that makes you need antidepressants", right ho.
613907;1397156055;akstunt600;Just a fellow bitcoin persons
613908;1397156230;benkay;Accordingly, to the extent a contract delivers bitcoins at a date after the sale
613909;1397156230;benkay;(and not their cash equivalent), and is being used by a party to manage price
613910;1397156230;benkay;risk, it would likely be considered a forward and be excluded from the
613911;1397156233;benkay;CEA.
613912;1397156242;benkay;bold claim.
613913;1397156267;fluffypony;I don't see any <em> tags?
613914;1397156270;benkay;i'd like to meet the person who's willing to test that 'likely' in the states, or finance the establishment of caselaw.
613915;1397156375;benkay;options on pg 20
613916;1397156429;mircea_popescu;;;google  pg 20
613917;1397156431;gribble;USS Monocacy (PG-20) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Monocacy_(PG-20)>; Amazon.com: Pignose PG-20 PG-20 a/c powered amplifier: Musical ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Pignose-PG-20-powered-amplifier/dp/B0006SMY7S>; Part# PG-20-160Q: <http://www.clippard.com/part/PG-20-160Q>
613918;1397156570;benkay;"bitcoinica valued expediency and experimentation over postponement and risk-aversion"
613919;1397156585;benkay;gotta read more of this later
613920;1397156588;benkay;vms need hacking
613921;1397156600;mircea_popescu;oh really ? and i thought it simply valued pretense and pretending over competence or obeying your betters.
613922;1397156616;mircea_popescu;poor phantomcircuit still imagines his brain works, i wager.
613923;1397156696;fluffypony;the red wedding: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/world/Nigerian+child+bride+forced+into+marriage+poisons+meal/9723504/story.html
613924;1397156760;mircea_popescu;pretty cool.
613925;1397156786;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/eyl9jeF.jpg
613926;1397156862;fluffypony;lol
613927;1397156901;goonsamchi;best to have diverse opinions, instead of a nation of sheep all taking the scientists' word for it, never considering the possibility that someone could be wrong
613928;1397156963;chetty;most people are wrong,most of the time
613929;1397156969;mircea_popescu;goonsamchi it's not a good idea to have "opinions" on matters you have not the authority to have opinions on.
613930;1397157001;*;bounce mentions david nutt
613931;1397157004;mircea_popescu;last thing we need is every fuckwit social sciences major having opinions about how silicon valley start-ups should be run and so forth
613932;1397157026;goonsamchi;http://www.ctvnews.ca/why-medical-science-often-gets-it-wrong-1.744502
613933;1397157026;ozbot;Why medical studies often go wrong                          | CTV News
613934;1397157060;goonsamchi;http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/11/lies-damned-lies-and-medical-science/308269/?single_page=true
613935;1397157068;ozbot;Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science - David H. Freedman - The Atlantic
613936;1397157087;mircea_popescu;sooo ?
613937;1397157111;fluffypony;goonsamchi: so you'd prefer they take their medical advice from a TV personality?
613938;1397157156;goonsamchi;no, i think people should be allowed to control their own lives
613939;1397157167;goonsamchi;i believe in individual liberty and the right for people to be wrong
613940;1397157177;goonsamchi;http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21588069-scientific-research-has-changed-world-now-it-needs-change-itself-how-science-goes-wrong
613941;1397157212;mircea_popescu;goonsamchi there's a difference between controlling your own life and having opinions tho.
613942;1397157224;goonsamchi;yes, and people should have both
613943;1397157229;mircea_popescu;nobody is disputing the woman's right to be as fucking wrong as she possibly can get away with.
613944;1397157235;truff1es;prob diff in murrca than rest of world
613945;1397157249;mircea_popescu;but i am outright denying her the right to air dumbassery under the guise that "she's entitled to an opinion"
613946;1397157250;mircea_popescu;she is not.
613947;1397157261;goonsamchi;not allowing people to be incorrect just leads to a monoculture of sheep who all think the same. even if they're right, there's still a lack of diversity
613948;1397157273;mircea_popescu;now how do you know that ?
613949;1397157282;truff1es;thats what this room would become haha
613950;1397157291;mircea_popescu;seems to me allowing fuckwits to have "opinions" has turned the us of a into a monoculture of sheep who all think the same.
613951;1397157305;mircea_popescu;had these same fuckwits been beaten to shit for daring to open their mouths when their teachers were speaking,
613952;1397157316;mircea_popescu;we'd perhaps have had something like 58 goethes coming out of there, this year alone.
613953;1397157317;truff1es;0.0
613954;1397157344;mircea_popescu;at least if historical data is anything to go by.
613955;1397157355;fluffypony;goonsamchi: where do you draw the line? if a wildly popular personality says that everyone should kill themselves, and then a bunch of people do, should the person who expressed their "opinion" be entitled to it?
613956;1397157361;truff1es;beat some sense into them, thats it!
613957;1397157365;mircea_popescu;fluffypony definitely.
613958;1397157386;mircea_popescu;whoa this is going to be a good argument, i disagree with everyone.
613959;1397157386;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: population control?
613960;1397157389;fluffypony;:-P
613961;1397157395;fluffypony;meh
613962;1397157397;goonsamchi;you should be allowed to do anything you want unless it directly infringes on the rights of others.
613963;1397157400;mircea_popescu;no, but the discussion is metaphisics, and being listened to qualifies him to speak./
613964;1397157416;mircea_popescu;goonsamchi so your eating infringes on the rights of others, stop eating.
613965;1397157421;chetty;well there is a difference between having an opinon, and expressing it
613966;1397157422;goonsamchi;it does not.
613967;1397157427;mircea_popescu;how convenient.
613968;1397157454;mircea_popescu;of course it does. fucking world is constructed so your existence is built out of the death of your siblings.
613969;1397157458;mircea_popescu;thats how things work.
613970;1397157468;fluffypony;goonsamchi: there are starving people in Africa that would disagree
613971;1397157488;mircea_popescu;this is nothing less than the point of existence : for you to drive lesser versions out of existence, or for them to drive oyu.
613972;1397157534;goonsamchi;lol. my not eating would not affect the people in africa
613973;1397157542;mircea_popescu;how convenient #2.
613974;1397157550;benkay;mircea_popescu: the teachers'd need to be worth attending to.
613975;1397157557;mircea_popescu;benkay sure.
613976;1397157569;mircea_popescu;benkay im sure all of goethe's teachers were all supercool and worthy dudes.
613977;1397157583;mircea_popescu;not according to him, but what the fuck does he know.
613978;1397157592;chetty;you would listen to a 'teacher' that wasn't worth it?
613979;1397157610;mircea_popescu;problem is how the fuck would you distinguish.
613980;1397157623;mircea_popescu;idiots on the forum also think they know better. the reason they think so is because they don't know what they don't know
613981;1397157629;mircea_popescu;and on the basis of what they know, aka 0, they're right.
613982;1397157643;chetty;the best ones are the scariest!
613983;1397157682;fluffypony;but you can't even quantify "stuff you don't know"
613984;1397157685;truff1es;goonsamchi u make good points, id like to read more ur views on this
613985;1397157687;mircea_popescu;exactly.
613986;1397157697;chetty;if it hurts, you are learning something
613987;1397157700;truff1es;just wait til the sillyness washes away
613988;1397157723;thestringpuller;chetty if you start doing things right and realize you were once wrong you are also learning things :)
613989;1397157756;chetty;thestringpuller, and that hurts too
613990;1397157762;thestringpuller;most people seem to do things wrong, get told so, ignor as MP points out, then they run head first into concrete and complain about how they have brain damage
613991;1397157790;truff1es;told by whom?
613992;1397157806;fluffypony;although making mistakes *and learning from them* should be encouraged, no?
613993;1397157817;thestringpuller;you shouldn't make mistakes with other peoples money
613994;1397157820;thestringpuller;fucking use testnet
613995;1397157851;fluffypony;oh I agree with that
613996;1397157855;fluffypony;I was talking in generalisations
613997;1397157857;thestringpuller;no experimenting wiht production services, fucking get managers and shit. perhaps it's about time for another tally of the BTC losses due to scams and icompetence
613998;1397157857;chetty;fluffypony, that is I think, the definition of learning
613999;1397157918;mircea_popescu;fluffypony making mistakes should be encouraged in a narrow field : that where we don't know what the mistakes are. in the fields where we already know, they should not be.
614000;1397157919;chetty;bitcoins don't get lost (mostly) just transfered
614001;1397157933;mircea_popescu;such as, putting your hand in the flame may in principle do all sorts of cool things, like charge your phone battery
614002;1397157940;fluffypony;lol
614003;1397157941;mircea_popescu;but it won't. so don't learn from fucking experience.
614004;1397157947;fluffypony;yeah I use the "stove is hot" analogy often
614005;1397157955;fluffypony;but you end up with a burnt hand afterwards
614006;1397157989;truff1es;if u were tough enough it wouldnt matter!
614007;1397158011;mircea_popescu;<truff1es> just wait til the sillyness washes away << funny how on the spot this guy is. since forever the strategy of the mentally defective has been, just wait until the cool people get exhausted, and try to rebuild socialism then!
614008;1397158045;truff1es;says the person who wants to beat people to submission
614009;1397158047;mircea_popescu;the epic resilience of stupidity.
614010;1397158475;fluffypony;I think testnet is an under-utilised feature
614011;1397158486;robwhiz22;Good evening.
614012;1397158506;mircea_popescu;http://rt.com/usa/nevada-ranch-armed-feds-520/
614013;1397158512;mircea_popescu;the usg moving into cattle rustling
614014;1397158536;robwhiz22;Hi, mircea_popescu
614015;1397158547;chetty;shades of Waco??
614016;1397158570;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 38 @ 0.05195871 = 1.9744 BTC [-] {11} 
614017;1397158631;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 88 @ 0.05036279 = 4.4319 BTC [-] {6} 
614018;1397158633;robwhiz22;You kind of disappeared the other day.  I'm hoping you had a chance to read what I'd written you earlier.  If so could you tell me a decision please?
614019;1397158683;robwhiz22;If you need any more information, feel free to ask.
614020;1397158860;fluffypony;robwhiz22: you never emailed me:(
614021;1397158864;*;fluffypony feels left out
614022;1397158945;TomServo;robwhiz22: You're the "I can fix the Cardano" guy right?
614023;1397158979;fluffypony;TomServo: yes
614024;1397158983;asciilifeform;'fix' in the 'veterinary' sense of the word.
614025;1397158997;fluffypony;for the low, low price of 10 BTC
614026;1397158997;fluffypony;monthly
614027;1397158999;fluffypony;with interest
614028;1397159000;TomServo;Sorry, I should've also put fix in quotes.
614029;1397159354;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/
614030;1397159355;ozbot;Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
614031;1397159524;*;bounce spots a developing tvtropes addiction
614032;1397159537;mircea_popescu;bounce no cause i was addicted muchly afore.
614033;1397159545;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: gum chewing definition of “acultural” << term 'nekulturny' actually pops up in english texts on occasion. because it applies.
614034;1397159574;mircea_popescu;wow it does huh
614035;1397159582;jurov;really?
614036;1397159582;mircea_popescu;ty, adding to my bag.
614037;1397159590;mircea_popescu;i'd never have guessed.
614038;1397159615;jurov;;;ud nekulturny
614039;1397159616;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nekulturny | ... chav, or naco. Ivan, you nekulturny bastard, don't pick your nose in public! by LN_Sac September 07, 2008. 57 9. Mugs & shirts Buy “nekulturny� mugs & shirts  ...
614040;1397159616;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: nekulturny
614041;1397159626;Apocalyptic;sounds like a slovak word
614042;1397159645;asciilifeform;probably exists in all slavic languages
614043;1397159666;BingoBoingo;;;tslb
614044;1397159671;gribble;Time since last block: 24 minutes and 57 seconds
614045;1397159679;fluffypony;holy shit
614046;1397159680;jurov;from my cursory research it looks it's much more insulting in russian
614047;1397159681;fluffypony;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/10/americas-overtake-africa-most-murders
614048;1397159681;ozbot;Americas overtake Africa as region with most murders | World news | theguardian.com
614049;1397159689;asciilifeform;basic soviet meaning, a fellow who's had no truck with human cultural achievements - literature, physics, philosophy, whatever
614050;1397159695;fluffypony;we're not so bad here!
614051;1397159697;fluffypony;yay
614052;1397159703;asciilifeform;but also for folks with no manners
614053;1397159719;Apocalyptic;^ that's the meaning that comes to mind first to me
614054;1397159719;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "a particular flavour of inhumanity"
614055;1397159726;asciilifeform;read 'savage brute'
614056;1397159749;mircea_popescu;fluffypony is that raw total or per capita ?
614057;1397159760;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: looks like it's per capita
614058;1397159783;fluffypony;they do it on a "murders per 100k people" basis
614059;1397159785;asciilifeform;in some places, savage brute is someone who picks his nose - in others, one who never heard of differential equations.
614060;1397159788;asciilifeform;all depends on context.
614061;1397159895;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu ...
614062;1397159918;mircea_popescu;fluffypony wow.
614063;1397159945;bounce;the student club had a rule that you couldn't actually lie. ie answers must be truthful. but you could refuse to answer on grounds of the question being too direct. add in some rules that made buying the entire bar population beers both very easy to do and hard to figure out for the barman... well, it's a student club, whaddaya expect?
614064;1397159970;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yeah, I was quite surprised, the ex-pats have beaten the "murder rate in South Africa is the highest in the world" speech into everyone's heads we're starting to believe it ourselves
614065;1397160037;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.57547032 = 8.6321 BTC [-] {7} 
614066;1397160100;mircea_popescu;fluffypony but wait, you meant all of africa vs north, south and central america ?
614067;1397160118;bounce;compared to the conspiring, deceit, backstabbing, betrayal, "white" lieing, bald faced lieing, and all that, happening among the most cultured of any population, traditionally the aristocrats and like court dwellers, that's outright friendly and truthful.
614068;1397160138;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I'm talking specifically about South Africa - our murder rate is mentioned in the article, ~30 per 100k vs Honduras at ~90 per 100k
614069;1397160149;mircea_popescu;bounce aristocrats and courtiers don't map.
614070;1397160154;fluffypony;s/30/31
614071;1397160160;mircea_popescu;it's like saying smart people and web developers.
614072;1397160173;mircea_popescu;fluffypony what if you only count white people ?
614073;1397160181;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: significantly lower
614074;1397160192;mircea_popescu;well then okay.
614075;1397160193;twizt;lol
614076;1397160202;mircea_popescu;i had bought the same arguments, omg sa is terrible.
614077;1397160212;fluffypony;we're a small part of the population (relatively), and a lot of the murders are gang related
614078;1397160220;fluffypony;for eg. Cape Town now has a higher murder rate than Johannesburg
614079;1397160234;fluffypony;but something ridiculous like 80% of the murders occur in Lavender Hill
614080;1397160244;fluffypony;which is gang warfare territory in the Cape Flats
614081;1397160248;fluffypony;that even policeman don't go into
614082;1397160250;fluffypony;much less white people
614083;1397160256;mircea_popescu;aha
614084;1397160269;bounce;not true. any high concentration of power without proper management tends to bring lots of little kingdoms, warring each other. I'm told the pettiest squabbles can be found in academia.
614085;1397160288;mircea_popescu;bounce wait, what specifically isn't true ?
614086;1397160313;fluffypony;bounce: are we still talking about murder rates?
614087;1397160313;bounce;well, what did you mean with "don't map"?
614088;1397160325;mircea_popescu;lots of little kingdoms don't necessarily war each other, and moreover the wars of little kingdoms are not at all like the wars of national-socialist statal machines,
614089;1397160338;mircea_popescu;the sort that opposed the french and the germans, or the germans and the russians, or the french and the russians
614090;1397160359;mircea_popescu;bounce i meant aristocrats and courtiers are two mostly distinct things.
614091;1397160393;mircea_popescu;in general one can't be both. whenever aristocrats were forced to be courtiers historically, they lost their aristocracy, and the state collapsed
614092;1397160402;mircea_popescu;(seen both in china and in france, quite identical)
614093;1397160403;bounce;both are at the top of the societal pile, if in slightly different senses.
614094;1397160413;mircea_popescu;this does not make much of a similarity.
614095;1397160424;mircea_popescu;the top of a cake and the top of an oil tank aren't similar on grounds of topness.
614096;1397160436;bounce;but the cake is a lie.
614097;1397160469;bounce;anyhow, I'll gladly concede this since my interest is in a different point.
614098;1397160486;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, I am not available for chatting much longer tonight.
614099;1397160512;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, did you 1) find my proposal among your emails now?  2) do you have an answer?  I submitted it with the request that you review and answer within three business days, which I thought was reasonable.
614100;1397160535;thestringpuller;;;gettrust robwhiz22
614101;1397160535;asciilifeform;robwhiz22 is 'elusive joe'
614102;1397160535;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user robwhiz22: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=robwhiz22 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=robwhiz22 | Rated since: never
614103;1397160538;mircea_popescu;well... which point ?
614104;1397160550;asciilifeform;'The "Elusive Joe" (Russian: �еуловимый Джо) has become an ironic nickname in Russia for various difficult-to-find persons (not necessarily unimportant ones). It is suggested that the nickname and the joke originated from a 1923 satirical novel An Elusive Enemy. American Novel by Mikhail Kozyrev (ru:Козырев, Михаил Яковлевич) which contained a funny song about a Joe who was e
614105;1397160550;asciilifeform;lusive because no one needed him.'
614106;1397160567;thestringpuller;lolololololololol
614107;1397160582;mircea_popescu;course it's more like elusive djo in russian
614108;1397160586;bounce;dose roossians
614109;1397160588;asciilifeform;naturally
614110;1397160602;asciilifeform;i used to think that 'elusive joe' is an american expression
614111;1397160613;mircea_popescu;haha
614112;1397160624;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, the whole proposal - I can email again if you have trouble fining the previous emails.  There 2 I think, of which you answered the second one inviting me here, and one follow-up one.
614113;1397160632;mircea_popescu;i do't think american expressions are allowed to contain words such as elusive
614114;1397160633;asciilifeform;basic idea, desperado who isn't wanted for anything but thinks he's 'hot on the run'
614115;1397160667;bounce;robwhiz22: the best way for you to stop running around in circles is stop running around in circles. drop the text in a pastebin and share. you have permission to do this already.
614116;1397160670;fluffypony;robwhiz22: I think you're on /ignore, he was talking to bounce
614117;1397160694;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform romanian canonical equivalent is "tu crezi ca te cauta militia pe messenger". ie, you think the militsya is pursuing you through im.
614118;1397160718;mircea_popescu;(joke beingthat the militsya was an obsolete institution, and famously the people it employed could not write)
614119;1397160750;robwhiz22;fluffypony, I doubt I am on ignore.  He began to answer me but had to go.  The other day, I had to leave earlier.
614120;1397160768;mircea_popescu;coined by a blogger, in this post : http://www.jeg.ro/dupa-monitoru-gri-stam-noi-anonimitatea/
614121;1397160770;bounce;.oO( certainly argumentative )
614122;1397160923;bounce;re reinventing the wheel, wasn't there a medico recently that got a paper published essentially reinventing calculus (and naming it after himself, naturally)?
614123;1397160992;asciilifeform;bounce: well there was (still is...) a wealthy american crackpot who claimed cellular automata as his invention, suing anyone who publicly disagreed
614124;1397161003;asciilifeform;;;google wolfram batshit insanity
614125;1397161004;gribble;Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science: <http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/reviews/wolfram/>; Ten Years of Monster Raving Egomania and Utter Batshit Insanity: <http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/915.html>; Collection of Reviews of Wolfram's A New Kind of Science, Etc...: <http://www.math.usf.edu/~eclark/ANKOS_reviews.html>
614126;1397161024;asciilifeform;but that was a while ago.
614127;1397161092;asciilifeform;to my great shame, i (well, my research group, at my request) bought his software once.
614128;1397161162;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, I've just clicked 'forward all' and reforwarded you my proposal and follow-up email.  Please check the mail and I would very much appreciate a response.  I feel I've given adequate time for your consideration.
614129;1397161193;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0347901 = 0.3479 BTC [-]
614130;1397161448;mircea_popescu;the whole thing sounds like tom sawyer's aunt.
614131;1397161483;mircea_popescu;also http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/915.html doesn't exist
614132;1397161494;bounce;https://web.archive.org/web/20100322205031/http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/reviews/wolfram
614133;1397161495;ozbot;Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science
614134;1397161522;mircea_popescu;also, google does not return the wayback machine for a "web history" query.
614135;1397161530;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, they return all the wikipedia pages possible.
614136;1397161542;mircea_popescu;must be cool to run a search engine that consists of promoting your friends.
614137;1397161572;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu - ?
614138;1397161628;bounce;could (also) be self-selecting, of course. archive.org might wlel be.
614139;1397161634;bounce;s/wlel/well/
614140;1397161637;mircea_popescu;perhaps.
614141;1397161943;bounce;9th paragraph, unkindly said, "applying the new jersey approach to the universe"
614142;1397162020;mircea_popescu;"My teacher, more patient than I would be with adolescent arrogance, gently informed me that it was a standard technique, in any book on linear algebra, called "reduction to Jordan normal form", after the man who discovered it in the 1800s. "
614143;1397162042;mircea_popescu;i want this entered into the record of proof for the importance of beating schoolchildren.
614144;1397162058;mircea_popescu;kids that have no experience with beatings have no conceivable incentive to abandon the notion they invented jordan normal form.
614145;1397162104;jurov;bah, even these who do
614146;1397162104;fluffypony;robwhiz22: why don't you just put the docs online for all to see/download? Or PasteBin it? You've been given permission to do so, after all.
614147;1397162126;bounce;nothing said the writer got beaten nor he didn't abandon the notion he wasn't the first when told
614148;1397162164;bounce;pretty cool he found it out himself, even if it turned out later he wasn't the first.
614149;1397162171;mircea_popescu;bounce sure, pretty cool.
614150;1397162298;BCB;http://vid.ly/7h6w6m <-- dev panel from PrincetonBTC
614151;1397162299;ozbot;vid.ly/7h6w6m
614152;1397162315;robwhiz22;fluffypony, I wouldn't need permission.
614153;1397162352;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.047122 = 0.2356 BTC [+] {4} 
614154;1397162364;fluffypony;dun dun dun DUN
614155;1397162393;robwhiz22;fluffypony, more importantly, it's not like I did the entire project on spec (Google 'on spec' or 'spec work').
614156;1397162394;mircea_popescu;"Martin-Löf showed, again roughly speaking, that complex objects will pass many high-reliability tests for randomness, and conversely objects which pass randomness tests must have high algorithmic complexity."
614157;1397162398;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what nonsense is this ;/
614158;1397162430;asciilifeform;not familiar with the 'complex objects' in question.
614159;1397162433;jurov;s/complex/shiny/
614160;1397162438;jurov;:D
614161;1397162462;bounce;go on, polish xkcd's "4" some more, why don't you? :)
614162;1397162511;mircea_popescu;me either, but as described it's scandalous.
614163;1397162543;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he was probably speaking of greg chaitin's entropy.
614164;1397162551;mircea_popescu;the guy does declare he's trained as a phys, so i guess rank cluelessness about math may be excused
614165;1397162560;mircea_popescu;no he's talking of Kolmogorov
614166;1397162568;robwhiz22;:)
614167;1397162572;robwhiz22;I wrote "mircea_popescu, for what you're discussing now you should look at kolmogorov complexity."
614168;1397162580;BingoBoingo;robwhiz22: If you thing your solicitation reveals flaws, public disclosure is the responsible thing to do
614169;1397162583;robwhiz22;but I didn't submit as I didn't want to become your consultant on here for free. :)
614170;1397162647;robwhiz22;And more to the point I don't really know the application.  It's, quote-unquote "out of scope"
614171;1397162677;fluffypony;quote-unquie
614172;1397162681;fluffypony;*unquite
614173;1397162685;*;fluffypony needs more wine
614174;1397162749;asciilifeform;ok, for everyone who didn't catch it the first time i posted it,
614175;1397162750;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/mBLdFHzt
614176;1397162750;ozbot;derp_more.txt - Pastebin.com
614177;1397162781;asciilifeform;no one can say i wasn't patient.
614178;1397162799;BingoBoingo;robwhiz22: If you dunno they application how can you be competent to critique it?
614179;1397162837;asciilifeform;i'd also like to add, for the edification of future spammers, that blatant sockmuppetry (switching handles every week) does not add credibility.
614180;1397162915;robwhiz22;BingoBoingo, I didn't critique it.  I don't know anything about any RNG project.  I was just answering mircea_popescu's question, in which he quoted "and conversely objects which pass randomness tests must have high algorithmic complexity" and hten said "not familiar with the 'complex objects' in question.".
614181;1397163046;bounce;966 lines. looks like a bit of a waste.
614182;1397163185;Apocalyptic;<asciilifeform> no one can say i wasn't patient. << and that's an understatement
614183;1397163186;jurov;tl;dr:<ninjashogun> cardano can suddenly change into usb keyboard hence its insecure
614184;1397163195;jurov;i did not read further
614185;1397163207;asciilifeform;see mp's essay about 'your wife changes into dog'
614186;1397163220;mircea_popescu;wait i wrote that ?!
614187;1397163226;asciilifeform;somewhere.
614188;1397163233;jurov;or a pig... there's actually a book about that
614189;1397163236;bounce;no, he is a dog. this is the internets.
614190;1397163239;mike_c;3 hours!  that take some serious zen power.
614191;1397163247;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, are you working on an RNG project?  Do you have a link?
614192;1397163257;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, or announcement?
614193;1397163260;mircea_popescu;mike_c next time you want to ask me why the cardano isn't done by xmas...
614194;1397163271;asciilifeform;how many pictures of the damn thing have to be posted
614195;1397163272;mike_c;hehe
614196;1397163296;jurov;robwhiz22: it's often discussed here, if you'd actually read the logs
614197;1397163307;asciilifeform;as if an rng were a nuke, or any other rarity
614198;1397163312;jurov;but you seem to be write-only dude
614199;1397163325;bounce;maybe it should be. backdoored and all.
614200;1397163336;mircea_popescu;;;google wilbur glenn voliva
614201;1397163337;gribble;Wilbur Glenn Voliva - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilbur_Glenn_Voliva>; Wilbur Glenn Voliva visits New Orleans, Louisiana in 1912 ...: <http://louisdl.louislibraries.org/cdm/ref/collection/LWP/id/7330>; $5,000 for Proving the Earth is a Globe | Modern Mechanix: <http://blog.modernmechanix.com/5000-for-proving-the-earth-is-a-globe/>
614202;1397163340;bounce;bogon-triggered tacnuke
614203;1397163361;mircea_popescu;he's like Julia A. Moore but forscience.
614204;1397163389;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04799932 = 0.144 BTC [+] {3} 
614205;1397163418;robwhiz22;jurov, why is it often discussed here?  Could you summarize?
614206;1397163428;fluffypony;robwhiz22: the rng project is basically based on buttcoin:sharpie density
614207;1397163436;robwhiz22;jurov, is there a write-up somewhere?
614208;1397163460;thestringpuller;!last m s.mpoe
614209;1397163460;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096485 BTC [+]
614210;1397163469;asciilifeform;i can't wait for this fellow's Amazing RNG Improvement ideas.
614211;1397163474;jurov;robwhiz22: google the logs for hookers+microphone
614212;1397163522;fluffypony;asciilifeform: the seed is a digital breathalyser...works best when you're drunk;)
614213;1397163529;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2013/unsorted-collection-of-various-cardano-related-updates-spurious-pics
614214;1397163529;asciilifeform;etc
614215;1397163530;ozbot;Unsorted collection of various Cardano related updates + spurious pics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce
614216;1397163700;mircea_popescu;"This brings me to the core of what I dislike about Wolfram's book. It is going to set the field back by years. On the one hand, scientists in other fields are going to think we're all crackpots like him. On the other hand, we're going to be deluged, again, with people who fall for this kind of nonsense. I expect to have to waste a lot of time in the next few years de-programming students who'll have read A New Kind of
614217;1397163700;mircea_popescu;Science before knowing any better."
614218;1397163704;mircea_popescu;fuycking problem of bitcoin.
614219;1397163724;mircea_popescu;we do not want "more adoption", especially if that "more adoption" is sandmans brought in by aspirin bitcoin "jesuses"
614220;1397163848;asciilifeform;https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.lang.lisp/BUxXH76CYdc/IunywkAxufMJ
614221;1397163866;asciilifeform;it is worth noting that herr w. created his flagship product by 'pulling a bitcoinica'
614222;1397163931;asciilifeform;(ran off with taxpayer-funded 'macsyma' and hired some people to write a gui)
614223;1397163945;thestringpuller;the problem of bitcoin is the problem of the internet...eternal september
614224;1397163970;asciilifeform;there's a unique species of crackpot - the kind with actual power
614225;1397163972;asciilifeform;e.g. lysenko
614226;1397163979;jurov;all that rubbish. why i had to do my first programming steps in qbasic?
614227;1397163986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's not pulling a bitcoinica, that's pulling a washingtonica.
614228;1397163990;turbo_ac100;no block found for 45 min. Is that true?
614229;1397163993;jurov;because nobody could be bothered to make free list for msdos
614230;1397163997;mircea_popescu;;;tslb
614231;1397163999;jurov;*lisp
614232;1397164003;gribble;Time since last block: 45 minutes and 21 seconds
614233;1397164006;joecool;lawdy
614234;1397164015;[\];balls
614235;1397164018;jurov;all these high horses
614236;1397164025;mircea_popescu;jurov if you stole msdos to the degree you thought it was free
614237;1397164030;mircea_popescu;why didn't you steal lisp too
614238;1397164039;jurov;cuz nobody around had it
614239;1397164042;fluffypony;jurov: you think that's bad, I started on GWBASIC and then progressed to Pascal
614240;1397164049;fluffypony;took me years to unlearn bad habits
614241;1397164053;asciilifeform;there were many lisps of various descriptions for msdos
614242;1397164053;jurov;i progressed to pascal, too
614243;1397164055;*;bounce liked pascal
614244;1397164059;mircea_popescu;i actually liked qbasic. dunno why all the hate.
614245;1397164062;asciilifeform;but, afaik, no 'adult' ansi common lisp
614246;1397164075;thestringpuller;who didn't like basic
614247;1397164078;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: qbasic or quickbasic?
614248;1397164080;thestringpuller;it's classic
614249;1397164080;mircea_popescu;nono, qbasic.
614250;1397164081;[\];urmom
614251;1397164086;mircea_popescu;it had this auto eval window
614252;1397164090;*;daybyter throws in some java...
614253;1397164091;fluffypony;yeah that was cool
614254;1397164096;bounce;back when, no ubiquitous 'net, not even a modem, and no connections to extoll the virtues of lisp
614255;1397164098;mircea_popescu;you'd go ? 12*32 and it was really like ;;calc
614256;1397164100;[\];I still remember seeing a=a+1 for the first time
614257;1397164103;fluffypony;I vastly preferred PowerBasic to Turbo PAscal
614258;1397164105;fluffypony;*Pascal
614259;1397164107;[\];and thinking that that statement was impossible
614260;1397164113;bounce;did get a forth from somebody, but without a good book it was hard to get started with it
614261;1397164115;asciilifeform;phun phact. msdos 'edit' is actually 'qbasic', with the basic ineptly commented out - in such a way that the code is still buried in the binary.
614262;1397164115;[\];since algebra says things must be balanced
614263;1397164123;fluffypony;asciilifeform: I remember
614264;1397164136;mircea_popescu;and besides. qbasic came with monkeys.bas
614265;1397164144;mircea_popescu;i kept editing the code to do weird shit. was loads of fun
614266;1397164145;fluffypony;omg that and the tank game
614267;1397164150;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: I learned something today I never knew...mind blown.
614268;1397164171;daybyter;fluffypony: combat?
614269;1397164174;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller it was [pretty obvious even at the time. they looked alike.
614270;1397164187;Diablo-D3;and you know whats really fun?
614271;1397164197;Diablo-D3;quickbasic uses a more powerful version of that editor
614272;1397164213;fluffypony;daybyter: can't remember
614273;1397164231;bounce;some things are best forgotten
614274;1397164232;fluffypony;I remember when I got my Nokia 6110 and it had Snake on it
614275;1397164234;fluffypony;I was like
614276;1397164237;fluffypony;"Nibbles?"
614277;1397164242;mircea_popescu;hahaha yeah
614278;1397164246;fluffypony;and nobody understood wtf I was talking about
614279;1397164247;Diablo-D3;fuck yeah nibbles
614280;1397164266;daybyter;fluffypony:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m86ftny1uY
614281;1397164271;daybyter;that game?
614282;1397164273;fluffypony;*clicks*
614283;1397164291;Diablo-D3;no not that game
614284;1397164307;Diablo-D3;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDc3ZEKl-Wc
614285;1397164307;ozbot;QBASIC Gorillas - YouTube
614286;1397164309;Diablo-D3;gorillas
614287;1397164310;Diablo-D3;lulz
614288;1397164315;fluffypony;daybyter: yes!
614289;1397164315;jurov;anyway. what i want to say, despite it was quite decent environment, it naturally led everyone to use turbopascal&co.
614290;1397164328;Diablo-D3;but yeah, qbasic had a scortched earth clone
614291;1397164332;jurov;if there was a cool DOS game built on lisp
614292;1397164342;jurov;we could have been years ahead
614293;1397164347;daybyter;fluffypony: I started a rewrite of that game in javascript to use it for coin gaming.
614294;1397164365;asciilifeform;problem being, all 'small' lisps are interpreters (what nearly everyone thinks of all lisps as being)
614295;1397164380;asciilifeform;because optimizing compilers are bulky - and require serious thought to write
614296;1397164388;joecool;finally a new block
614297;1397164389;fluffypony;jurov: I will say this much, Turbo Pascal forced me to learn asm because some functions were orders of magnitude faster when offloaded to inline asm
614298;1397164389;mircea_popescu;^
614299;1397164402;mircea_popescu;actually it was a while until they had the first optimizing compiler working
614300;1397164415;jurov;what problem? 386 can run a nifty logic game with interpreter
614301;1397164425;fluffypony;who remembers Swag, the Turbo Pascal code snippets collection?
614302;1397164435;robwhiz22;sorry, I received a phone call and was disconnected without noticing.
614303;1397164441;mircea_popescu;i remember dlh, the useful game info collection.
614304;1397164443;asciilifeform;fluffypony: me. i still consult 'swag' for algos, once in a blue moon.
614305;1397164444;mircea_popescu;good enough ?
614306;1397164466;dignork;ew, I remember writing TSR programs in TP+asm, it was a horrible junk
614307;1397164467;asciilifeform;anyone remember the 'magical decompiler' somebody planted in 'swag'? (actually the 'gold bug' virus)
614308;1397164502;fluffypony;asciilifeform: I remember trading copies on stiffy disk because the Internet wasn't as common, and then eventually in like 1998/1999 downloading my first "current" release
614309;1397164520;fluffypony;dignork: it was the gold standard at the time :-P
614310;1397164571;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, you said earlier you did not see my two emails to you.  I forwarded both to you now - did you get them?
614311;1397164607;daybyter;any android devs here?
614312;1397164613;daybyter;interested in tradebots?
614313;1397164623;robwhiz22;I used the address from the cryptome announcement, which you responded to once suggesting I talk to you here.
614314;1397164641;dignork;fluffypony, and Ralph Brown's INT list, although there was some nice interactive help system as well
614315;1397164644;robwhiz22;The forward includes both emails.
614316;1397164684;fluffypony;heh
614317;1397164696;fluffypony;dignork: before that list I used a Peter Norton programming guide that had an interrupt table
614318;1397164764;bounce;borland turbo pascal was a great step-up to asm because it was easy to get going with --also nicely light-weight compared to C!-- and made inline asm ridiculously easy.
614319;1397164776;fluffypony;bounce: agreed
614320;1397164790;fluffypony;borland really screwed things up over the years
614321;1397164833;bounce;smallest TSR I did was... 32 bytes total memory cost. 16 bytes code, 16 bytes allocated memory given to DOS before exiting.
614322;1397164854;jurov;^ and 20 years later, lispers still accusatorily point fingers in vain
614323;1397164866;jurov;Meh.
614324;1397164882;mircea_popescu;bounce inline asm is not easy in c ?
614325;1397164891;mircea_popescu;you can just put it in a pointer and... execute it.
614326;1397164909;fluffypony;dat asm
614327;1397164909;bounce;the tp compiler does its thing much quicker than the tc compiler
614328;1397164909;*;fluffypony http://kd5col.info/swag/SORTING/0043.PAS.html
614329;1397165038;bounce;and can relatively simply be put on a 360k floppy; just drop the bgi stuff from the std lib collection. compiler, stdlib, 3rd party editor. off you go. that just doesn't work so well with C.
614330;1397165070;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you want the compiler to asm for you, vs. having to drop in a hex string and function ptr to it, compiler has to understand inline asm.
614331;1397165084;dignork;bounce, there was a debug.exe just to write .COM, i think it was still supplied in winXP
614332;1397165089;mircea_popescu;but the difference is purely acaemic.
614333;1397165095;Naphex;people here should stop talking about turbo pascal
614334;1397165097;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.05402874 = 0.9725 BTC [-]
614335;1397165098;mircea_popescu;wtf is it going to do with it, give you asm error messages ?
614336;1397165101;Naphex;in order too keep this channel cool
614337;1397165120;Naphex;hehe
614338;1397165134;mircea_popescu;CD 21
614339;1397165138;mircea_popescu;there i've asm'd.
614340;1397165144;asciilifeform;lol!
614341;1397165174;mircea_popescu;:D
614342;1397165203;asciilifeform;i'm one of the lucky (unlucky?) folks who uses x86 asm at day job.
614343;1397165219;mircea_popescu;i haven't since the days i was looking through files to spot stoned.b
614344;1397165225;mircea_popescu;before "antivirus" was a thing
614345;1397165241;asciilifeform;a fun diversion, for those innocent of such matters:
614346;1397165244;asciilifeform;;;google ascii shellcode
614347;1397165245;gribble;Ascii shellcode - Blackhat Techniques - Hacking Tutorials: <http://www.blackhatlibrary.net/Ascii_shellcode>; Alphanumeric Shellcode - Metasploit Unleashed - Offensive Security: <http://www.offensive-security.com/metasploit-unleashed/Alphanumeric_Shellcode>; alpha3 - Alphanumeric shellcode encoder - Google Project Hosting: <https://code.google.com/p/alpha3/>
614348;1397165252;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, I will have to go soon.
614349;1397165260;fluffypony;asciilifeform: on embedded devices or generally?
614350;1397165260;bounce;borland turbo C also had a similar "basm" thingy, so no need to fsck around with hexstrings. tp was just the thing we used because it was easy to use. indeed, easier than tc.
614351;1397165286;asciilifeform;fluffypony: generally. reading, rather than writing.
614352;1397165336;bounce;back in the days of 'zines over modem and even the odd book with virus listings from the library. forbidden knowledge!
614353;1397165381;MGK;Anyone interested in a graded MS65 1BTC casasius coin? Asking 1.5btc.
614354;1397165517;benkay;graded?
614355;1397165577;benkay;MGK: graded?
614356;1397165605;MGK;yes
614357;1397165610;MGK;MS65
614358;1397165654;jurov;as in, .999 fine brass?
614359;1397165666;benkay;as in .99 pure btc
614360;1397165762;fluffypony;bounce: fk was the shiznat
614361;1397165765;benkay;;;lasers
614362;1397165765;gribble;┌� ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
614363;1397165774;jurov;;;railgun
614364;1397165775;gribble;Error: "railgun" is not a valid command.
614365;1397165778;mike_c;;;kittenlasers
614366;1397165778;gribble;Error: "kittenlasers" is not a valid command.
614367;1397165788;asciilifeform;;;nailgun
614368;1397165788;gribble;Error: "nailgun" is not a valid command.
614369;1397165789;jurov;;;monorailcat
614370;1397165789;gribble;Error: "monorailcat" is not a valid command.
614371;1397165805;fluffypony;bounce: or wait, I'm talking about the old South African zine called forbidden knowledge, not sure if you were just saying that in general
614372;1397165807;mike_c;;;laserkittens
614373;1397165807;gribble;ุ �˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌� ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
614374;1397165818;jurov;wuuut
614375;1397165833;benkay;wow.
614376;1397165840;mike_c;what? it's a kitten with a laser. no biggie.
614377;1397165855;bounce;that didn't quite reach faraway europe, I don't think, no.
614378;1397165871;bounce;or maybe it did and I just don't remember.
614379;1397165903;MGK;yes the brass 2013
614380;1397165911;MGK;sorry Im doing a few things
614381;1397165938;fluffypony;bounce: http://web.textfiles.com/ezines/FK/
614382;1397165942;fluffypony;terrible
614383;1397165991;bounce;.txt file, starts with <html>. huh.
614384;1397165991;BingoBoingo;;;manul
614385;1397165992;gribble;Error: "manul" is not a valid command.
614386;1397166024;mircea_popescu;;;derpage
614387;1397166025;gribble;Error: "derpage" is not a valid command.
614388;1397166027;mircea_popescu;;/
614389;1397166030;fluffypony;reading some of the stuff I contributed is painful
614390;1397166041;fluffypony;14 years is a long time ago
614391;1397166043;bounce;;;canned derpage
614392;1397166043;gribble;Error: "canned" is not a valid command.
614393;1397166073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00095797 = 9.5797 BTC [-]
614394;1397166115;benkay;hey mircea_popescu i think i'm misreading your mpex tech stuff article - web servers have a copy of the db to fulfill stat requests?
614395;1397166142;mircea_popescu;pretty much
614396;1397166164;mircea_popescu;it's anonimized to some degree, mostly by replacing keys, but that shouldn't be relied on.
614397;1397166198;benkay;do they then have a copy of the mpex keys as well? for the signing of stats etc?
614398;1397166309;benkay;mircea_popescu ^^
614399;1397166328;mircea_popescu;no
614400;1397166375;benkay;how does a stat get signed then?
614401;1397166383;mircea_popescu;that's complicated.
614402;1397166509;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, I'll try to reach you tomorrow.  What is the best time to talk in here?
614403;1397166544;benkay;complicated i can handle
614404;1397166608;mircea_popescu;well no, what i mean is "that's complicated" in the sense of i'm not about to spill it.
614405;1397166610;MGK;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile PM me if youre interested in a MS65 1BTC coin
614406;1397166611;ozbot;An Error Has Occurred
614407;1397166624;benkay;oh i got that loud and clear
614408;1397166721;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, that is a good policy.
614409;1397166734;robwhiz22;I'll be on tomorrow.
614410;1397166833;fluffypony;I look forward to robwhiz22 joining us tomorrow
614411;1397166845;fluffypony;maybe he'll show us the sekrit dokumints
614412;1397166854;benkay;;;gettrust fluffypony
614413;1397166855;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be. Trust relationship from user benkay to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr  6 08:20:32 2013
614414;1397166866;fluffypony;;;ident fluffypony
614415;1397166866;gribble;Nick 'fluffypony', with hostmask 'fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be', is identified as user 'fluffypony', with GPG key id 7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, key fingerprint BDA6BD7042B721C467A9759D7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, and bitcoin address 1FAvFCgXBmJ4uV3p1NFzWkkyndH7FJ6Vzx
614416;1397166875;fluffypony;;;voiceme
614417;1397166875;gribble;Error: You already have voice in #bitcoin-otc.
614418;1397166880;*;fluffypony hugs gribble
614419;1397166882;rithm;/nickserv identify rithm sekritpa55word
614420;1397166883;*;bounce proposes an ignore-o-meter that'll show who gets ignored by how many others in nice convenient bargraphs
614421;1397166899;rithm;DOH!
614422;1397166906;fluffypony;rithm: PRIVKEY NEXT PLZ
614423;1397166918;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1775992/plain/)
614424;1397166918;mircea_popescu;!b 4
614425;1397166971;dignork;rithm, /msg NickServ SET PASSWORD sekritpa55word2
614426;1397166977;rithm;-----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY-----
614427;1397166978;rithm;MIIEpQIBAAKCAQEA1lEXqr+TZ70mhIr+Ju92krlUiEO8MlXXXeZVAvZqlkI2AC2V
614428;1397166978;rithm;Qb+jTmfu/LwZXAYpsmgsi17zU0RytRO0/jYJ2P9HoY6x3qVvwm/Uoog1iVjaDrBd
614429;1397166978;rithm;F
614430;1397166997;rithm;omg hax
614431;1397167014;*;rithm knew he shouldn't have used ssl on his bouncer
614432;1397167026;*;fluffypony heartbleedz rithm dry
614433;1397167035;*;bounce next develops a calculus of (whatever the term is for the state of being ignored)
614434;1397167037;rithm;i tested my shit
614435;1397167043;dignork;rithm, pastebin your privkey, it got truncated :(
614436;1397167046;rithm;none of the affected are exposed
614437;1397167049;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+]
614438;1397167053;rithm;i'm taking my time
614439;1397167062;rithm;drinking beer and shit watching the internet burn
614440;1397167108;rithm;ya'll didn't even try to login to nickserv gah
614441;1397167111;rithm;boring
614442;1397167140;rithm;thanks fluffypony
614443;1397167144;fluffypony;:)
614444;1397167144;*;rithm feels better
614445;1397167150;fluffypony;I try to make you happy
614446;1397167170;dignork;rithm, i just checked that i have this password in list of human generated passwords (i did)
614447;1397167171;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05405775 = 0.2703 BTC [-] {2} 
614448;1397167181;rithm;nice
614449;1397167193;rithm;it's my passphrase to my wallet too
614450;1397167203;rithm;that i generated in stock ubuntu
614451;1397167218;rithm;it's still online with billions of bitcoins if you want 'em come get em bro
614452;1397167246;los_pantalones;so what's goin on right now? gox coins flooding mkt ?
614453;1397167258;fluffypony;rithm: I think I'm going to try random sha256 hash collision instead
614454;1397167260;mircea_popescu;los_pantalones what gox coins ?
614455;1397167310;akstunt600;lol gox coins
614456;1397167329;los_pantalones;karpeles selling usbs on the street?
614457;1397167343;akstunt600;hahhahahah yeah right
614458;1397167353;akstunt600;he is too much of a pussy for all that
614459;1397167358;los_pantalones;why not? he's dumb enough
614460;1397167365;los_pantalones;well, not that i'd know personally
614461;1397167370;los_pantalones;he seems dumb enough, excuse me
614462;1397167370;akstunt600;because hes scared
614463;1397167376;akstunt600;nooooo terrified
614464;1397167386;akstunt600;he thinks btc has been around 10yrs
614465;1397167388;akstunt600;lol
614466;1397167395;fluffypony;ohaaaai Mark
614467;1397167404;akstunt600;hahha
614468;1397167404;los_pantalones;ever seen that study about how really dumb people don't realize they are dumb
614469;1397167408;los_pantalones;defense mechanism
614470;1397167410;fluffypony;akstunt600: I'm sure he meant 10 years experience in netsec and not btc, though
614471;1397167418;akstunt600;i know :p
614472;1397167422;akstunt600;im toying
614473;1397167429;jurov;http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-core-developers-bitcoin-side-chains/ i herd you like blockchains, so...
614474;1397167441;akstunt600;hhahahahah jurov
614475;1397167452;akstunt600;this sidechain stuff is cool
614476;1397167473;akstunt600;like especially if they did like zerocoin styl on 2nd chain
614477;1397167474;los_pantalones;so, no theories on px move in here ?
614478;1397167484;los_pantalones;or no cares ?
614479;1397167498;fluffypony;what boggles my mind is that they (mtgox) were liquid enough to pay someone to rewrite everything in a less-crap way, and to permanently employ a bunch of CISSPs (at the very least)
614480;1397167513;benkay;;;later tell princessnell it's actually gpg keys which are tied to mpex accounts
614481;1397167513;gribble;The operation succeeded.
614482;1397167516;fluffypony;to have such an Ivory Tower complex that you don't is...well...
614483;1397167520;mircea_popescu;los_pantalones no one cares.
614484;1397167526;jurov;fluffypony look no further than thermos
614485;1397167529;los_pantalones;figured
614486;1397167530;los_pantalones;ty
614487;1397167541;fluffypony;jurov: don't get me started
614488;1397167552;fluffypony;makes me seriously irritated
614489;1397167555;akstunt600;lol
614490;1397167560;akstunt600;thermos?
614491;1397167564;akstunt600;wut?
614492;1397167568;fluffypony;akstunt600: yes, he doesn't keep the coffee hot!
614493;1397167569;mircea_popescu;fluffypony they never were liquid enough. not ever.
614494;1397167573;akstunt600;hahhahahhahahah
614495;1397167584;jurov;fluffypony no problem, lay here on the couch and let's latalk
614496;1397167589;jurov;*talk
614497;1397167599;kakobrekla;also put your pants down.
614498;1397167603;fluffypony;yes
614499;1397167606;benkay;davout mircea_popescu x.eur has delivery performed by delivery of cash to a bitcoin-central account, right?
614500;1397167610;fluffypony;and if someone can give me a scalp massage
614501;1397167616;mircea_popescu;benkay yes.
614502;1397167628;mircea_popescu;people don't quite grasp how bad a business mtgox was on a cashflow basis.
614503;1397167645;benkay;;;later tell princessnell http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2014&bots=true#614499
614504;1397167646;gribble;The operation succeeded.
614505;1397167646;mircea_popescu;1. it was created by jeb mccaleb, the douche that recently fucked up kraken, and some other derps, on a shoestring.
614506;1397167659;dignork;mircea_popescu, but nobody knows really, have they ever published any reports?
614507;1397167659;mircea_popescu;it went nowhere so 2. karpeles took it over, with aid from some angel investors.
614508;1397167676;akstunt600;what did you expect they were a magic the gathering trading site
614509;1397167678;mircea_popescu;he proceeded to buy some failed polish exchange, which was over its history a loss,
614510;1397167690;akstunt600;well not officialy but i dont believeit
614511;1397167692;mircea_popescu;and then 3. got raped by jeb mccaleb (the "auditor") taking btc to 1 cent.
614512;1397167709;mircea_popescu;then they ran at a loss for all of 2012, piling more and more angel round money into a hole.
614513;1397167716;fluffypony;eish
614514;1397167724;akstunt600;yeah such sad shit
614515;1397167731;mircea_popescu;then just as 2013 brought increased prices and revenues, they lost 5mn dollars to the us fed, because karpeles is retarded and doesn't understand when to say no.
614516;1397167735;akstunt600;at least they didnt try to sell goxshares
614517;1397167740;fluffypony;hah
614518;1397167745;akstunt600;like cryptorush fiasco
614519;1397167747;mircea_popescu;all through this they were trying to daytrade, and doing it as well as bitcoinica
614520;1397167748;fluffypony;or IPO it
614521;1397167750;mircea_popescu;(horribly badly)
614522;1397167750;akstunt600;but thats small potatoes
614523;1397167761;akstunt600;omg IPO would have been epic
614524;1397167780;fluffypony;akstunt600: I know
614525;1397167782;fluffypony;in fact
614526;1397167786;mircea_popescu;this is something you can maybe carry on for a while, but if you're trying to it's a damned good idea not to annoy me as a side dish.
614527;1397167786;fluffypony;they should have done it as a coin
614528;1397167787;jurov;akstunt600: they will inevitably try it as "Gox"
614529;1397167789;fluffypony;GoxCoin IPO
614530;1397167806;akstunt600;Oh yeah that
614531;1397167810;mircea_popescu;and so this brings us to the spring of 2013,  ever increasing pressures and eventually their collapse.
614532;1397167811;akstunt600;gox builder
614533;1397167813;akstunt600;lol
614534;1397167821;mircea_popescu;they never actually had a lump of money they didn't owe someone.
614535;1397167834;jurov;i want to see a bank that'll dare to manage New Gox's acct
614536;1397167858;akstunt600;hahahha i dont even want to see that attempted
614537;1397167860;mircea_popescu;dignork yes.
614538;1397167863;mircea_popescu;pdf, of course.
614539;1397167879;akstunt600;mircea_popescu, that makes perfect sense to me
614540;1397167889;akstunt600;I never touched them
614541;1397167941;dignork;mircea_popescu if i read the history correctly, their report was published once, and long time ago
614542;1397167967;mircea_popescu;three reports they published afaik
614543;1397167987;mircea_popescu;2010, 2011, 2012
614544;1397168131;jurov;http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303873604579493901002691642 as we speak
614545;1397168132;ozbot;Investor Group Seeks Court OK to Buy, Revive Bankrupt Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox - WSJ.com
614546;1397168148;jurov;need to find non paywalled article
614547;1397168162;los_pantalones;google the headline
614548;1397168171;mircea_popescu;jurov that's ok, that's the last anyone'll ever heard of that.
614549;1397168184;jurov;The investor group, which includes Brock Pierce, a former child actor-turned technology entrepreneur,
614550;1397168192;jurov;i think that's all i need to know
614551;1397168217;fluffypony;LOL
614552;1397168258;fluffypony;from now on I'm going to tell people I"m a former child actor-turned technology entrepreneur
614553;1397168289;jurov;.. and investor with hollywood ties
614554;1397168291;dignork;well, for 1btc I'd buy it just for lulz
614555;1397168306;akstunt600;hahhah jurov
614556;1397168313;mircea_popescu;dignork you familiar with court supervised acquisitions ?
614557;1397168375;bounce;not me, explain away. why do they need an "investor group" to pony up one full bitcoin, given that they're not paying the debts outright but planning to pay'em back by running the thing anew?
614558;1397168421;dignork;mircea_popescu, yes, not too deeply though. But I'd buy it only as "dignork", pgp key 8334BB7B5BDFA126
614559;1397168456;samson_;I can't get over the fact that 'Chicago-based SilkRoad Equity' are involved in this...
614560;1397168474;mircea_popescu;bounce you need to either pay upfront more than the judge evaluates the assets could conceivably fetch, or else execute a credible plan to deliver. and since this is examined by jurists rather than business people (and let alone forum fucktards) the estimates tend to be quite conservative.
614561;1397168482;akstunt600;samson_, I know right
614562;1397168484;fluffypony;samson_: I thought you were joking
614563;1397168490;samson_;no joke
614564;1397168490;mircea_popescu;there's a reason why noobs never succeed with these.
614565;1397168495;akstunt600;I dug that up to a while a go and was liek WTF
614566;1397168497;fluffypony;I know
614567;1397168500;fluffypony;http://www.silkroadequity.com
614568;1397168578;bounce;oh to start a company and requiring all titles to have "derp" in them somewhere.
614569;1397168592;fluffypony;Chief Derper
614570;1397168599;fluffypony;or Herpiest Derper
614571;1397168608;bounce;conservative as in generous?
614572;1397168646;cazalla;not surprising to see someone like Brock Pierce involved given his history with RMT, he's the 2nd person I've come across in bitcoin that I knew of before Bitcoin, first being voorhees from wickedfire heh
614573;1397168648;mircea_popescu;no, conservative as in "where did you go to school ?" and other anathema mp-esque questions the child actors of this world abhor.
614574;1397168650;dignork;bounce, not for the buyer
614575;1397168664;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: do they use a jury for financial stuff as well??? geeze...:/
614576;1397168673;mircea_popescu;fluffypony no, but that makes it worse.
614577;1397168681;bounce;"higher than a bargaining businessman would-be buyer would bid", then.
614578;1397168691;fluffypony;oh
614579;1397168694;fluffypony;I misread your sentence
614580;1397168701;fluffypony;I thought you said examined by jurors
614581;1397168710;fluffypony;too much wine and it's 12:30am
614582;1397168715;mircea_popescu;jurists, ie, people of teh legal profession
614583;1397168729;fluffypony;yeah re-read it now :)
614584;1397168755;bounce;ah. need to have an impressive name and such. so that's why this "child actor" got roped in.
614585;1397168776;jurov;i suspect hollywood wants to tap the drama
614586;1397168791;bounce;spendy drama quality drama
614587;1397168812;akstunt600;hahhahha fluffypony I would like to annouce new chief operating derp
614588;1397168820;jborkl;http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140410_78_127Y/  < mircea much better
614589;1397168821;ozbot;WebPagetest Test Result - Dulles : www.bcoinnews.com - 04/10/14 22:25:40
614590;1397168832;cazalla;I think he did much more in RMT than h is child acting days tbh
614591;1397168839;fluffypony;akstunt600: also we need a Derp Scientist
614592;1397168841;mircea_popescu;cazalla what's rmt ?
614593;1397168846;akstunt600;yup yup
614594;1397168850;cazalla;real money trade
614595;1397168851;bounce;a Science Derpist
614596;1397168851;mircea_popescu;jborkl indeed
614597;1397168858;mircea_popescu;cazalla uh what is that ?
614598;1397168881;cazalla;chinese gold farming
614599;1397168885;mircea_popescu;oh oh.
614600;1397168888;mircea_popescu;mkay.
614601;1397168896;cazalla;he was THE guy back in the EQ days
614602;1397168909;mircea_popescu;and voorhees you say ?
614603;1397168936;cazalla;yeah wickedfire which is interesting because I read an article where you said it would attrack the internet marketing crowd and I say there thinking oh top kek that's me
614604;1397168939;bgupta;http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103374/mr-derp
614605;1397168942;ozbot;Mr. Derp  - Video Clips  - South Park Studios
614606;1397168954;cazalla;sat there, fuck i need a coffee
614607;1397168973;mircea_popescu;lol
614608;1397169094;fluffypony;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=287653.msg6159630#msg6159630 <- they're  *still* Heartbleed vulnerable
614609;1397169096;ozbot;FairProof.com - the simplest provably fair bitcoin multi-lottery (instant)
614610;1397169107;fluffypony;I even pm'd them to tell them
614611;1397169112;fluffypony;and then they announce a new SSL cert, wtf
614612;1397169174;bounce;now the race is on to see who can post their secret key here the first
614613;1397169196;bounce;s/here the/here/
614614;1397169249;mircea_popescu;cazalla so what do you do, marketing wise ?
614615;1397169270;cazalla;nothing now, i just use to run spam blogs fill with adsense
614616;1397169276;mircea_popescu;fluffypony my wicked heart smiled when the thing was announced and schneier had to write an article about how he is affected. i on the other side, did not.
614617;1397169287;mircea_popescu;cazalla that's been dead for a while.
614618;1397169303;cazalla;panda/pengion killed it for me
614619;1397169325;fluffypony;cazalla: yeah, Google started loving content
614620;1397169328;cazalla;penguin even
614621;1397169368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00095797 = 14.5611 BTC [-]
614622;1397169378;cazalla;fluffypony: i wouldn't go that far, more like loving adwords and their pushing their own products into every profitable vertical
614623;1397169387;asciilifeform;what's the excuse for a blog using ssl anyway?
614624;1397169399;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "security"
614625;1397169405;asciilifeform;seekoority.
614626;1397169407;fluffypony;asciilifeform: aren't we moving towards SSL on everything forever?
614627;1397169414;mircea_popescu;no.
614628;1397169426;mircea_popescu;we are moving away from ssl and generally pki, and generally usg-crap. forever.
614629;1397169429;cazalla;still, never though indians writing 250 word articles for $3 would scale like it did
614630;1397169431;asciilifeform;as if ssl were useful if it worked as printed on the box.
614631;1397169439;fluffypony;this shit: https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
614632;1397169448;cazalla;thought*.. going back to bed, damn baby crying all night and can't even focus on spelling
614633;1397169463;asciilifeform;all the noise people made about key escrow in the '90s - they swallowed it in the end regardless.
614634;1397169485;asciilifeform;all the buggers had to do was rename it 'pki'
614635;1397169499;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform here's the thing : bitcoin finally creates the possibility for natural selection.
614636;1397169500;asciilifeform;a turd 'by any other name would smell as...'
614637;1397169511;mircea_popescu;it matters not that ther world is full of mastodons as long as two mice are fucking somewhere.
614638;1397170213;akstunt600;WOW mu bro just refunded 3 neptunes
614639;1397170216;akstunt600;WTF
614640;1397170270;akstunt600;Thats 30k in btc wow
614641;1397170281;akstunt600;he shorted from 1k btc rpice wow
614642;1397170325;thestringpuller;;;ticker
614643;1397170326;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 380.28, Best ask: 380.62, Bid-ask spread: 0.34000, Last trade: 380.28, 24 hour volume: 43714.37060882, 24 hour low: 375.0, 24 hour high: 444.26, 24 hour vwap: 403.597670398
614644;1397170446;MGK;Im selling a graded MS65 1bitcoin casacious coin, asking 1.5BTC.
614645;1397170566;SatoshiJack;mp,tat -- you guys need to get some people building around atc!  I've tried contacting the Brainwallet.org devs -- but no luck getting them to show atc some love...
614646;1397170588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.58 = 3.48 BTC [+]
614647;1397170636;jurov;SatoshiJack: brainwallet should work with atc out of the box, no?
614648;1397170748;SatoshiJack;nope -- I don't think so -- no way to have it autogenerate based on the rules for atc... they will have to add support which would mean tweaking code for determinsitc wallets etc...
614649;1397170763;jurov;but atc has same rules as btc
614650;1397170779;benkay;different addresses, tho
614651;1397170796;jurov;how different?
614652;1397170815;benkay;what does your altcoin addr start with?
614653;1397170819;jurov;1
614654;1397170851;SatoshiJack;I will give you full details in a day or so -- we are going through the code now -- and figuring out what we have tobuild for it --- our big thing is -- how we generate address etc... I need to be able to generate like 1000 or so at a time -- and also to be able to submit transactions similar to how brainwallet.org works with blockchain.info for transaction submits...
614655;1397170852;benkay;huh
614656;1397170869;akstunt600;http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
614657;1397170870;ozbot;Badger Badger Badger.com The Original Dancing Badgers!
614658;1397170870;benkay;coulda sworn they were different
614659;1397170887;akstunt600;thought you could use some cheering up
614660;1397171254;benkay;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe-f4gokRBs&list=PLBCFA347CE84FD2A9#t=151
614661;1397171254;ozbot;Mystery of Prince Rupert's Drop at 130,000 fps - Smarter Every Day 86 - YouTube
614662;1397171292;benkay;once upon a time i took 2nd place in physics for attempting to quantify polarization of light coming through a prd as a proxy for embedded stress
614663;1397171307;benkay;just look how fucking fast that thing tears itself apart
614664;1397171352;benkay;ha!
614665;1397171356;benkay;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe-f4gokRBs&list=PLBCFA347CE84FD2A9#t=199
614666;1397171357;ozbot;Mystery of Prince Rupert's Drop at 130,000 fps - Smarter Every Day 86 - YouTube
614667;1397171481;benkay;fractures move at like 1 mile/sec
614668;1397171486;benkay;wild stuff.
614669;1397172310;Mats_cd03;cute
614670;1397172739;blackwhite;so whats going on with btc? was it the australian bank that caused the drop?
614671;1397172829;midnightmagic;lol australian bank?
614672;1397172891;midnightmagic;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/10/bitcoin-dumped-by-national-australia-bank-as-too-risky ah you mean that. Lame.
614673;1397172891;ozbot;Bitcoin firms dumped by National Australia Bank as 'too risky' | World news | theguardian.com
614674;1397174492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00095797 = 7.8075 BTC [-]
614675;1397174871;benkay;ops for assbot?
614676;1397175122;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.047899 = 0.2874 BTC [+] {2} 
614677;1397175236;thestringpuller;;;ticker
614678;1397175237;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 361.0, Best ask: 363.12, Bid-ask spread: 2.12000, Last trade: 363.12, 24 hour volume: 49912.39410578, 24 hour low: 357.57, 24 hour high: 442.46, 24 hour vwap: 398.8274112
614679;1397175343;CheckDavid;Hi
614680;1397175354;CheckDavid;What is bitex?
614681;1397175358;CheckDavid;Exchange?
614682;1397175589;benkay;http://www.bitex.com/ ?
614683;1397175590;ozbot;.:: BITEX.COM ::.
614684;1397175799;CheckDavid;Maybe
614685;1397175803;CheckDavid;But it's in Russia
614686;1397175816;CheckDavid;And I thought the skin was British
614687;1397175852;benkay;why don't you bring the link
614688;1397175895;CheckDavid;Because I don't have
614689;1397175902;CheckDavid;I only heard about it
614690;1397175923;CheckDavid;Bitex ltd
614691;1397175927;kakobrekla;;;ticker
614692;1397175928;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 357.04, Best ask: 357.58, Bid-ask spread: 0.54000, Last trade: 357.04, 24 hour volume: 50103.19440652, 24 hour low: 357.04, 24 hour high: 442.46, 24 hour vwap: 398.721153266
614693;1397175958;CheckDavid;Skin = admin
614694;1397176034;mircea_popescu;SatoshiJack there is really no diff between bitcoin and altcoin addy gen. same algo.
614695;1397176098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5603 @ 0.00095797 = 5.3675 BTC [-]
614696;1397176100;SatoshiJack;I hear ya mp... my issue is how to generate the transactions --- and send --- blockr does not provide -- but it's all good -- we are working around :)
614697;1397176143;mircea_popescu;there's an altcoind neh ?
614698;1397176221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58000001 BTC [+]
614699;1397176342;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.58 = 11.6 BTC [-]
614700;1397177406;MisterE;morning
614701;1397177413;MisterE;;;ticker ---market all
614702;1397177413;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
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614705;1397178299;jborkl_;Mircea , you see the mtgox news yet? Not that is any surprise
614706;1397178306;jborkl_;It is
614707;1397178360;minersdidit;karpeles get arrested?
614708;1397178534;benkay;nooz?
614709;1397178652;jborkl_;Mtgox possibly being bought
614710;1397178675;jborkl_;WSJ reported a couple hours ago
614711;1397178715;mike_c;yes, was discussed.
614712;1397178728;minersdidit;bought you mean handed over
614713;1397178741;danielpbarron;does that mean all those GoxCoins are worth something after all?
614714;1397178770;MisterE;handed over in terms of "take my exchange, please"
614715;1397178782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11047 @ 0.00095797 = 10.5827 BTC [-]
614716;1397178782;minersdidit;bitcoin will probably be back to single digits by the time they settle that mess
614717;1397178806;kakobrekla;wont go below 2
614718;1397178811;minersdidit;lol
614719;1397178825;jborkl_;They would be assuming debt also
614720;1397178835;jborkl_;How much idk
614721;1397178924;minersdidit;wasnt karpeles using it as his personal piggyback?
614722;1397178966;mircea_popescu;jborkl it was here
614723;1397179117;minersdidit;bitcoins shitty economic algo killed the value
614724;1397179132;Duffer1;uh
614725;1397179153;Duffer1;oh hai guys
614726;1397179159;minersdidit;hai
614727;1397179159;danielpbarron;yeah the devs should have written it to give 50 billion units to their friends every month so it could be more like the dollar
614728;1397179177;minersdidit;bitcoin follows quantity theory of money which is flawed.
614729;1397179212;minersdidit;it will always have insane volatility. miners create 3600 coins even under falling demand
614730;1397179222;minersdidit;or when value rises theres no mechanism to supply the market
614731;1397179226;minersdidit;so you get insane ups and downs
614732;1397179231;danielpbarron;so?
614733;1397179247;minersdidit;impossible to use as settlement
614734;1397179265;minersdidit;youll have persistent periods of hyper deflation and hyper inflation like now
614735;1397179273;danielpbarron;so?
614736;1397179293;minersdidit;makes it useless
614737;1397179298;danielpbarron;to you, maybe
614738;1397179311;danielpbarron;I find it to be very useful; I'm not alone
614739;1397179331;danielpbarron;i'd rather have a volitile good money than a stable bad money
614740;1397179333;minersdidit;yea you arent very bright. the economics are flawed you have insane costs
614741;1397179343;minersdidit;its not about price stability that is absurd as well
614742;1397179356;minersdidit;you have no mechanisms that respond to market demands for money
614743;1397179377;danielpbarron;i guess you've never been to #bitcoin-otc
614744;1397179392;minersdidit;whats a trading post got to do with anything lol
614745;1397179409;danielpbarron;there are 629 mechanisms in there
614746;1397179410;minersdidit;money has to be elastic it cant be static ie linear
614747;1397179433;danielpbarron;why?
614748;1397179445;Duffer1;i don't see how you can say that when nothing like bitcoin has existed before
614749;1397179454;minersdidit;sure it has
614750;1397179462;minersdidit;100% gold standard did the exact same thing
614751;1397179482;Duffer1;instant, secure, worldwide, private value transmission does not = gold
614752;1397179484;minersdidit;danielpbarron: because economies are fractals they arent linear
614753;1397179492;danielpbarron;what does that even mean
614754;1397179504;minersdidit;im not argueing the superior technicalities
614755;1397179512;minersdidit;im argueing the flawed economics behind the coin creation
614756;1397179517;minersdidit;ie the supply
614757;1397179522;danielpbarron;you aren't doing a very good job
614758;1397179533;danielpbarron;i'm trying to understand you
614759;1397179537;mike_c;what money are you talking about? m1?
614760;1397179552;minersdidit;when the market demands for money increase bitcoin has no mechanism to supply it and vice versa
614761;1397179553;Duffer1;you mean you're ignoring the technical superiority in favor of your baseless assertions
614762;1397179555;minersdidit;its based on quantity theory
614763;1397179569;minersdidit;my assertions are baseless look at the price goes from 80 to 1200 back down
614764;1397179580;minersdidit;that will always occur
614765;1397179584;danielpbarron;minersdidit: the things you are saying are not true
614766;1397179587;minersdidit;making it impossible to use as settlement.
614767;1397179601;Duffer1;"that will always occur because.. gold"?
614768;1397179604;danielpbarron;bitcoin does indeed have many meechanisms to supply
614769;1397179608;minersdidit;danielpbarron of course they are true. we can observe it occuring
614770;1397179627;minersdidit;miners create coins regardless of market needs for them, this increases volatility when they drain the liquidity pools
614771;1397179639;danielpbarron;you must have your eyes closed then, because there are tens of thousands of "mechanisms"
614772;1397179646;minersdidit;no there arent.
614773;1397179664;minersdidit;hence the insane volatility
614774;1397179669;mircea_popescu;minersdidit who are you exactly ?
614775;1397179671;danielpbarron;you are making the argument that a central bank knows better than a decentralized network
614776;1397179675;minersdidit;a troll
614777;1397179680;mircea_popescu;a ok. carry on.
614778;1397179722;Duffer1;anyways have you guys heard the great news?
614779;1397179734;danielpbarron;even if the central bank was better at stabilizing prices (it isn't) that wouldn't make up for the corruption inherent in giving that much power to one authority
614780;1397179737;minersdidit;danielpbarron um when did i bring up central banking or fiat?
614781;1397179746;Duffer1;for only 11,200 btc you can be the proud owners of 40% of YET ANOTHER havelol startup
614782;1397179751;minersdidit;and when did i say stable prices are optimal?
614783;1397179761;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=565415.0
614784;1397179762;ozbot;[HAVELOCK]  AlcheMiner Scrypt ASIC  IPO Friday April 11
614785;1397179773;minersdidit;typical bitcoin shill. instantly brings up the fiat strawman that was never discussed in the first place
614786;1397179788;danielpbarron;well then start making sense
614787;1397179795;danielpbarron;i can't read your mind
614788;1397179799;minersdidit;learn to read i am making sense
614789;1397179819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00096211 = 6.3018 BTC [+] {2} 
614790;1397179819;minersdidit;when the market needs bitcoin theres no mechanism to supply them other then the set in stone linear 3600 coins, this brings insane price volatility to the upside
614791;1397179829;danielpbarron;ok so you want something like bitcoin, but with.. more inflation? or a backdoor to let devs tweak the block reward?
614792;1397179831;minersdidit;when that wanes out, you get insane volatility to the downside as the algo keeps supplying useless coins
614793;1397179845;danielpbarron;yeah and i'll buy them
614794;1397179856;danielpbarron;problem solved
614795;1397179858;minersdidit;no for bitcoin to work you need some decentralized system that works on the real bills doctrine
614796;1397179866;minersdidit;thats the only way the gold standard functioned
614797;1397179868;Duffer1;minersdiditwhen the market needs bitcoin theres no mechanism to supply them  >>> you work for money, that's the mechanism
614798;1397179872;minersdidit;when that mechanism was removed it collapsed
614799;1397179883;Duffer1;why would it issue more than you work for?
614800;1397179893;minersdidit;duffer1 um no you dont work for bitcoins when the volatility is so insane you cant measure what your work is even worth.
614801;1397179894;Duffer1;simply because the market wants it to?
614802;1397179911;minersdidit;a money supply expands and contracts ie ELASTIC
614803;1397179914;TestingUnoDosTre;there are so many fucking bitcoins dropping
614804;1397179914;minersdidit;like an economy
614805;1397179915;Duffer1;your work is worth x btc
614806;1397179931;minersdidit;lol dude you cant even tell me what your work was worth an hour ago
614807;1397179936;minersdidit;the price moved what 20%?
614808;1397179944;benkay;i;ll price my work quite happily in btc
614809;1397179946;benkay;.5/hr
614810;1397179957;Duffer1;it's worth x btc, what people choose to price that in fiat is a separate matter
614811;1397179961;minersdidit;and im not talking about fiat price
614812;1397179968;minersdidit;you can "price" bitcoin in anything since its a ratio
614813;1397179972;danielpbarron;idk, i think these only appear to be problems to individuals who still have a foot in FIAT
614814;1397179982;minersdidit;you cant value your work when the meter stick you are using is a rubber band
614815;1397179990;minersdidit;to measure with
614816;1397179991;danielpbarron;if all your inputs and outputs are BTC, you wouldn't notice so much
614817;1397180002;minersdidit;yea you would lol
614818;1397180004;benkay;the other side is that i know the fraction of the monetary reserve my work is worth
614819;1397180011;mike_c;curious, where would you have "stabilized" the price?  $1? $10?
614820;1397180016;benkay;i find that rather satisfying.
614821;1397180035;minersdidit;i wouldnt stabalize the price. i just told you, you need something like decentralized discount bills that settle in BTC
614822;1397180062;minersdidit;thats beyond your primitive understanding to even bother explaining
614823;1397180072;danielpbarron;then why bother mentioning it
614824;1397180074;mike_c;try speaking english, that will help.
614825;1397180086;minersdidit;its not about PRICE satbility. its about mechanisms that respond to market needs hence reducing volatility
614826;1397180090;Duffer1;minersdiditand im not talking about fiat price >> yes you are, your btc work will always be worth x btc, the only volatility is fiat market pricing of that work
614827;1397180094;minersdidit;price stability is NOT wanted in any economy
614828;1397180111;minersdidit;prices need to move around
614829;1397180111;benkay;<minersdidit> thats beyond your primitive understanding to even bother explaining << tiberius move, iirc
614830;1397180129;minersdidit;bitcoin cant work alone its already been tried with 100% gold
614831;1397180149;mike_c;actually 5% gold 95% tungsten
614832;1397180157;benkay;claim, claim, claim, wait for sucker to bite, argue, say 'you're too stupid for me to possibly explain this'
614833;1397180158;Duffer1;hehe
614834;1397180170;danielpbarron;the old states used to water down the gold coins; nothing new under the sun
614835;1397180188;benkay;government will always dilute the currency, given the opportunity.
614836;1397180201;minersdidit;i dont have to claim anything the evidence is all around you
614837;1397180205;minersdidit;look at insane volatility
614838;1397180214;benkay;luckily it doesn't matter
614839;1397180218;benkay;i can wait 10 years
614840;1397180218;danielpbarron;yeah i'm not worried
614841;1397180232;benkay;if it's still blow stamps for kiddies at that point, no big.
614842;1397180233;minersdidit;@ $1200 a btc miners were being subsidized to the tune of 5million dollars to secure 80k transactions
614843;1397180236;benkay;i have resource streams.
614844;1397180240;minersdidit;that 5million was coming out of users
614845;1397180243;mike_c;my bitcoin is still worth a bitcoin.  except the ones i lost on that stupid $400 bitbet.
614846;1397180249;benkay;HAW
614847;1397180257;benkay;no, those are still worth 1B too.
614848;1397180258;minersdidit;it was impossible to sustain becuase we dont even have 1billion of fiat on order books
614849;1397180274;benkay;sounds like a bubble, minersdidit
614850;1397180274;danielpbarron;lol benkay
614851;1397180275;minersdidit;miners now get paid what 1million to secure the same 80k transactions
614852;1397180291;minersdidit;do you see the problem here? as the real value rises so does the cost to run the network
614853;1397180299;danielpbarron;so???
614854;1397180304;benkay;how is the subsidy different and the txn value the same?
614855;1397180314;minersdidit;its not differnt
614856;1397180322;minersdidit;the subsidy is like a $40 per transfer tax
614857;1397180327;minersdidit;in december
614858;1397180328;danielpbarron;minersdidit: do you know how much wealth is wasted running the current financial system?
614859;1397180330;Duffer1;you're pricing mining activity in fiat?
614860;1397180339;benkay;miners got paid 25 bitcoin to move some other number of btc around, plus txn fees
614861;1397180342;minersdidit;you can price it in anything dude
614862;1397180356;minersdidit;miners had obscene margins and every incentive to realize them
614863;1397180360;Duffer1;i price it in btc...
614864;1397180360;minersdidit;hence its what theyve been doing
614865;1397180371;minersdidit;miners created bitstamps order book every 3 days in november
614866;1397180373;benkay;lose everything buying at 1200, minersdidit ?
614867;1397180377;Duffer1;since that's the reward for doing the work..
614868;1397180386;minersdidit;dude can you read?
614869;1397180397;minersdidit;they are getting paid extra for no new work performed
614870;1397180403;benkay;now or then?
614871;1397180408;minersdidit;even now
614872;1397180416;benkay;eh
614873;1397180419;benkay;still not really caring.
614874;1397180425;minersdidit;theres not enough fiat demand to support what miners are creating out of thin air everyday
614875;1397180426;steven-__;not sure im following you minersdidit
614876;1397180440;mike_c;is there any fiat demand? who wants fiat?
614877;1397180442;minersdidit;3600 coins per day x 400 is what the miners are being paid in subsidies
614878;1397180448;Duffer1;coin generation, network security are work as well
614879;1397180451;minersdidit;to "secure" a network that only transfers 67k
614880;1397180466;minersdidit;they will be constantly on the ask side
614881;1397180472;minersdidit;which is what has been occuring
614882;1397180473;danielpbarron;minersdidit: there is a lot of wealth that will be fleeing FIAT soon, and it will choose Bitcoin
614883;1397180480;minersdidit;no it wont
614884;1397180489;danielpbarron;well that's my bet
614885;1397180498;minersdidit;bitcoin has no liquidity to support any type of wealth fleeing into it
614886;1397180510;minersdidit;and for every seller of BTC there is also a buyer
614887;1397180516;minersdidit;so your arguement makes no sense
614888;1397180519;danielpbarron;ok, that statement seems to completely contradict the other stuff you've been saying
614889;1397180525;Duffer1;capital flight will seek precious metals and other solid commodities imo, btc a bit too
614890;1397180532;danielpbarron;either there is too much BTC or not enough? which is it?
614891;1397180533;TestingUnoDosTre;mike_c, at least you didn't almost lose .5 btc at the last minute like this guy <-----
614892;1397180540;minersdidit;no it doesnt. the quantity theory of money that bitcoin is based on, guarantees insane volatility
614893;1397180541;minersdidit;which will NOT attract wealth
614894;1397180559;minersdidit;hence why 5 years in we still have out of control price swings
614895;1397180560;benkay;so make the perfect alt
614896;1397180571;minersdidit;its not a question of that
614897;1397180573;mike_c;TestingUnoDosTre: um, i actually lost. seems worse than almost lost :)
614898;1397180573;benkay;with elastic supply
614899;1397180592;minersdidit;money has to reflect what the economy is doing, which is a fractal it expands and contracts hence elastic
614900;1397180597;TestingUnoDosTre;i lost, and I also lost the 1% by trying to bid last minute
614901;1397180598;minersdidit;it cant be a linear algo lol
614902;1397180600;akstunt600;benkay, i agree
614903;1397180605;akstunt600;that would be nice
614904;1397180608;akstunt600;but how?
614905;1397180610;akstunt600;lol
614906;1397180623;minersdidit;bitcoins value is relative to the liquidity pool of bids that is available
614907;1397180633;benkay;economy is a fractal yo
614908;1397180635;minersdidit;miners drain that pool constantly
614909;1397180639;akstunt600;true
614910;1397180640;Duffer1;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5wGgVWvluk
614911;1397180640;ozbot;The 10 Most Insane Things You Didn't Know About the Universe | Marvels of the Science | Episode 6 -
614912;1397180644;minersdidit;making it more difficult to attract more
614913;1397180647;akstunt600;Fucking miners
614914;1397180650;akstunt600;oops wait im a miner
614915;1397180653;benkay;lay off the entheogens, kid.
614916;1397180653;akstunt600;lol
614917;1397180668;TestingUnoDosTre;hahahha
614918;1397180671;Duffer1;this whole conversation >.<
614919;1397180673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2771 @ 0.00095723 = 2.6525 BTC [-]
614920;1397180678;minersdidit;yea you too stupid to see it
614921;1397180691;benkay;resorts to ad hominems
614922;1397180692;minersdidit;youll have persistent hyperinflation and hyperdeflation
614923;1397180693;danielpbarron;i'm starting to get what you are saying, minersdidit, but I still don't agree
614924;1397180712;minersdidit;its not my theory, its reality look how bitcoin acts
614925;1397180718;minersdidit;its 5 years in.
614926;1397180720;akstunt600;minersdidit, Sooo that why dogecoin is better?
614927;1397180726;*;akstunt600 akakkakakkakakakka
614928;1397180736;danielpbarron;exactly, 5 years old... that isn't very long ago
614929;1397180744;akstunt600;very very young
614930;1397180746;minersdidit;thats a century in internet time.
614931;1397180773;danielpbarron;well it only took the dollar a century to lose most of its value; Bitcoin's looking pretty good
614932;1397180777;minersdidit;5 years on the internet with instant information awareness is like 100-200 years
614933;1397180786;minersdidit;yea bitcoin does it in a day lol
614934;1397180790;akstunt600;danielpbarron, hahhah so true
614935;1397180800;MGK;anyone interested in buying a graded MS65 1btc coin?
614936;1397180820;TestingUnoDosTre;wtf is that
614937;1397180826;danielpbarron;i've never seen Bitcoin lose most its value, but I wasn't around for that first MtGox hack
614938;1397180830;MGK;a casacious coin?
614939;1397180837;MGK;never heard of those?
614940;1397180907;minersdidit;danialbarron its lost what 40% in the last 24hrs alone?
614941;1397180923;minersdidit;what will it take for you to see most of its value? 51%?
614942;1397180926;TestingUnoDosTre;like a coin that you can hack by pealing off the adhesive?
614943;1397180929;danielpbarron;that's not most, and that's also an exageration
614944;1397180949;minersdidit;im sorry 1/3rd
614945;1397180974;benkay;say we clear back to 10
614946;1397180978;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03587424 = 0.7175 BTC [+] {7} 
614947;1397180979;minersdidit;bitcoin has lost about 60% of its "value" from january 1st
614948;1397180990;benkay;it's lost none of its value.
614949;1397180994;benkay;the crypto's still rock solid.
614950;1397180998;benkay;the txn net is stronger than ever.
614951;1397181004;benkay;the fundamentals remain.
614952;1397181015;benkay;fiat pricing silliness has not and never will matter.
614953;1397181021;minersdidit;price in anything
614954;1397181028;minersdidit;its down 60-70%
614955;1397181028;TestingUnoDosTre;alright, but if you had 10 dollars waiting to invest in bitcoin last week, versus today, how much more bitcoin would it buy benkay?
614956;1397181031;benkay;make this argument in a decade.
614957;1397181049;TestingUnoDosTre;totally not a legitimate argument
614958;1397181062;benkay;not you, TestingUnoDosTre
614959;1397181076;benkay;the "it's crazy vix week dot butts! bitcoin is useless!" argument.
614960;1397181085;minersdidit;bitcoin will be at version 0.92 in a decade with the current developmeant team
614961;1397181101;minersdidit;still promising multi sig
614962;1397181107;TestingUnoDosTre;bitcoin utility hasn't budged a bit, but the value has most definitely dropped
614963;1397181120;danielpbarron;i think multi sig already exists
614964;1397181122;benkay;see now jump to a new topic, a new stupid claim
614965;1397181127;minersdidit;the utility sucks. 30% value swings in 24hrs
614966;1397181140;benkay;utility != price, price != value
614967;1397181141;benkay;ffs
614968;1397181143;minersdidit;plus horrendous bid/ask spread when trying to get some
614969;1397181158;benkay;yeah it's expensive and hard to get. what of it?
614970;1397181166;benkay;so is good blow.
614971;1397181172;danielpbarron;this is ridiculous, it's open source; if the devs really did suck (arguable..) then new ones will sprout up
614972;1397181211;minersdidit;no they wont
614973;1397181213;benkay;reference client isn't the only client
614974;1397181217;minersdidit;nobody pays them to sprout up
614975;1397181219;benkay;conformal do you even?
614976;1397181227;minersdidit;will mircea come in with a donation like openbsd lol
614977;1397181234;danielpbarron;minersdidit: maybe
614978;1397181239;danielpbarron;who paid satoshi?
614979;1397181246;minersdidit;you did
614980;1397181254;danielpbarron;so who will pay future devs?
614981;1397181258;Duffer1;minersdiditnobody pays them to sprout up >> have you heard of github?
614982;1397181283;benkay;github.com/conformal/btcd
614983;1397181286;benkay;next.
614984;1397181293;minersdidit;bitcoin developers are poor quality because their is zero incentive to attract proper professionals
614985;1397181303;benkay;read the conformal source. next.
614986;1397181307;TestingUnoDosTre;laughable at best ^
614987;1397181307;minersdidit;its a circus of amateurs from the last dotcom crash
614988;1397181319;TestingUnoDosTre;omfg
614989;1397181323;*;benkay waits for this thread of troll to spin out
614990;1397181323;minersdidit;how is it laughable, theres persistent amateur bugs discovered
614991;1397181336;TestingUnoDosTre;amateur?!?!
614992;1397181340;danielpbarron;there is probably some truth to that one (re: amateurs from dotcom)
614993;1397181358;minersdidit;all the failures of the dotcom crash resurfaced in bitcoin
614994;1397181364;minersdidit;andreas etc.
614995;1397181365;TestingUnoDosTre;how quickly was an openSSL bug patched in the bitcoin community when released
614996;1397181371;danielpbarron;yeah, I read all about them on bitcointalk lol
614997;1397181380;TestingUnoDosTre;how long will the openSSL bug persist in everyday use?
614998;1397181388;minersdidit;wasnt it exposed for 2 years
614999;1397181393;mircea_popescu;so are we getting a proposal on how to fix bitcoin or noit just yet ?
615000;1397181402;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre prolly a year or so
615001;1397181403;danielpbarron;lolol ^^
615002;1397181410;BCB;mircea_popescu, did you see that new paper about regulation
615003;1397181414;BCB;you were mentioned
615004;1397181417;danielpbarron;yeah get to the point and write your new superbitcoin already, minersdidit
615005;1397181425;TestingUnoDosTre;which paper <BCB>
615006;1397181433;minersdidit;im too stupid too and theres no need
615007;1397181435;BCB;looking
615008;1397181438;benkay;princessnell's, most likely.
615009;1397181445;danielpbarron;minersdidit: then stfu
615010;1397181448;minersdidit;my statements are still accurate
615011;1397181453;benkay;k great thanks
615012;1397181457;minersdidit;bitcoin development team = losers from dotcom bust
615013;1397181463;benkay;yup great awesome
615014;1397181467;minersdidit;drifted on the internet for a decade until bitcoin came along
615015;1397181474;Trader1333;hi guys
615016;1397181475;benkay;.bait
615017;1397181476;ozbot;http://37.media.tumblr.com/c0ffb11b384a31510c604f6647dbeb6f/tumblr_mwdjdeeU8g1r5peaqo1_1280.jpg
615018;1397181482;minersdidit;hi Trader1333
615019;1397181488;Trader1333;i am wondering if there is a way to buy future contracts for BTC?
615020;1397181489;danielpbarron;if you want to rile bitcoiners up with that line, go to #bitcoin-dev
615021;1397181502;TestingUnoDosTre;;;google bitcoin future
615022;1397181502;gribble;Bitcoin's future: Hidden flipside | The Economist: <http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21599054-how-crypto-currency-could-become-internet-money-hidden-flipside>; Felix Salmon – The Bitcoin Bubble and the Future of Currency ...: <http://news.rapgenius.com/Felix-salmon-the-bitcoin-bubble-and-the-future-of-currency-annotated>; Bitcoin: The Currency Of The (1 more message)
615023;1397181505;Trader1333;trying to acquire either 5 BTC weekly or $2500.
615024;1397181509;Trader1333;worth
615025;1397181518;BCB;TestingUnoDosTre, it's linked here: http://techliberation.com/2014/04/10/our-new-draft-paper-on-bitcoin-financial-regulation-securities-derivatives-prediction-markets-gambling/
615026;1397181525;Trader1333;willing to do a legally binding agreement of such and put forth my car as compensation should it cost too much
615027;1397181544;minersdidit;losers will always be losers, bitcoin allowed that particular group to get "another chance" to return to silicon valley, hence their constant obsession with conferences
615028;1397181553;danielpbarron;Trader1333: you sure about that? I hear Bitcoin is too volitile to be worth anything
615029;1397181576;Trader1333;i see BTC dropping to $100 but i dont care i need BTC weekly and constant. i need a way to buy BTC and i dont care if it goes to $10k or $1 im buying same amount weekly
615030;1397181583;danielpbarron;hah, I live really close to the last conference and I didn't go (or even hear about it)
615031;1397181592;Duffer1;i'm reminded of krugman's 'why the internet will never be popular' thesis..
615032;1397181603;Trader1333;i flip it weekly and make good margins. hell i make more than someone as a general manager of a fast food joint and i only do it for 5 hours a week roughly.
615033;1397181604;minersdidit;well the internet is a cesspool
615034;1397181611;minersdidit;i dont think anyone except andreas denies that lol
615035;1397181620;TestingUnoDosTre;<BCB> i see no mention of mp
615036;1397181632;danielpbarron;minersdidit: i agree with you there
615037;1397181643;Trader1333;problem is this stupid market no one wants to sell. so i figured if i offered a contract to buy at 1% above bitstamp the same amount every week, month to month contract, there would be some interest.
615038;1397181645;BCB;TestingUnoDosTre, it is in the attached paper http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2423461
615039;1397181656;Trader1333;dont have time for the stupid market volatility.
615040;1397181661;minersdidit;if you actually read krugmans article he was kind of correct.
615041;1397181670;minersdidit;the internet generation is poorer then their parents
615042;1397181682;benkay;that's for damn sure.
615043;1397181715;minersdidit;that simple fact shows you that the internet failied to deliver the utopia guys like andreas claimed it did
615044;1397181717;TestingUnoDosTre;***than
615045;1397181734;Duffer1;andreas?
615046;1397181742;minersdidit;yea high priest of bitcoin
615047;1397181744;minersdidit;antonopolous
615048;1397181746;benkay;new, unrelated tangent...
615049;1397181754;benkay;kakobrekla: ping
615050;1397181771;TestingUnoDosTre;huh?
615051;1397181782;minersdidit;and silicon valley "tech" and innovation is a joke. they create companies that sell advertisements
615052;1397181790;kakobrekla;pong
615053;1397181798;benkay;fun trollage in here this afternoon
615054;1397181811;minersdidit;use ignore benkay
615055;1397181811;kakobrekla;yeah well it is what it is.
615056;1397181820;benkay;what's ignore?
615057;1397181883;Trader1333;know its not the place, but if anyone wishes to sell 6.6 BTC let me know. or a contract to buy $2500 on Monday at whatever bitstamp +1% is.
615058;1397181903;Duffer1;trader1333 #bitcoin-otc
615059;1397181940;Trader1333;go to OTC where its a bunch of circle jerkers no thank you. oh and escrow is required.
615060;1397181951;minersdidit;yea the bastion of liquidty
615061;1397181955;benkay;;;gettrust Trader1333
615062;1397181956;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Trader1333: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Trader1333 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Trader1333 | Rated since: never
615063;1397181964;benkay;well with trust like that
615064;1397181987;minersdidit;any bets up on bitbet when bitstamp goes the way of mtgox?
615065;1397182004;benkay;surely you're familiar with a search bar, minersdidit
615066;1397182006;minersdidit;already starting not to pay people out larger then a few K ammounts
615067;1397182026;Trader1333;@benkay who cares about trust, we use an escrow. cash deposit, moneypak, whatever method you need.
615068;1397182047;Trader1333;i dont come on IRC after i got thrown out for basically buying and wouldnt accept the chatroom's escrow.
615069;1397182051;Trader1333;then got called a scammer and such.
615070;1397182060;benkay;good plan
615071;1397182065;benkay;run up into a foreigners bar
615072;1397182067;minersdidit;then what escrow did you want to use?
615073;1397182070;Trader1333;i only use members of bitcointalk such as DannyHamilton, Tomatocage, escrow.ms, etc.
615074;1397182076;benkay;"TREAT ME LIKE THEY DO BACK HOME RAAARGH"
615075;1397182079;minersdidit;fellow scammers
615076;1397182079;benkay;get beat
615077;1397182084;benkay;"THEY'RE MEAN!"
615078;1397182088;MGK;who are you on bitcointalk forum?
615079;1397182089;Trader1333;LOL scammers. what a joke.
615080;1397182133;danielpbarron;everyone is a scammer if you give them enough time or money.. except me! you can trust me
615081;1397182143;Trader1333;does anyone know a place in BTC that sells futures for BTC price?
615082;1397182154;minersdidit;mpex
615083;1397182155;Trader1333;i need a way to lock in prices when i buy or get buy order fulfilled.
615084;1397182158;Trader1333;hm
615085;1397182167;minersdidit;mircea will sell you anything but good luck ever getting out of the trade.
615086;1397182170;TestingUnoDosTre;bitforex
615087;1397182179;TestingUnoDosTre;scamtopia
615088;1397182181;Trader1333;i have no interest in getting out of the trade.
615089;1397182191;Trader1333;im looking for a way that i can preserve my USD investment value.
615090;1397182201;MGK;lol
615091;1397182205;minersdidit;mpex will sell you put options
615092;1397182209;Trader1333;i buy BTC on coinbase and want the same USD value come friday whether the value of BTC has gone up 100% or down to $1.
615093;1397182223;TestingUnoDosTre;*for a preciious premium
615094;1397182231;minersdidit;lol nobody sane will do that
615095;1397182242;minersdidit;hence why mpex options failed
615096;1397182268;Trader1333;personally i see BTC dropping to $100 anyways
615097;1397182291;Trader1333;but like i said, i am not an investor in BTC at anything over $100. im only a mover.
615098;1397182338;Trader1333;i need constant BTC coming in which is what is slowing things down right now as this stupid bullshit pyramid scheme basically market was quickly raised to $1100 and now people think itd actually go back, ha.
615099;1397182340;minersdidit;benkay is a player
615100;1397182346;benkay;?
615101;1397182359;benkay;more like a clown
615102;1397182362;Trader1333;Pump and dump and everyone fell for it and people still fail to see itl  lol.
615103;1397182370;benkay;court jester, if you will.
615104;1397182409;mircea_popescu;BCB no ?
615105;1397182436;BCB;mircea_popescu, linked above
615106;1397182450;Trader1333;Popescu do you offer a way I can hedge a BTC purchase I make every week on Monday so that it remains the same USD value whether it goes up or down...a futures contract if you will.
615107;1397182458;mircea_popescu;Trader1333 probably not. you have no wot and generally, nobody gives a shit.
615108;1397182479;minersdidit;mircea you have a WOT and you still scam
615109;1397182486;minersdidit;whats that got to do with anything lol
615110;1397182497;Trader1333;dont care about WOT willing to meet in person if need be and sign contract binding my car to failure to pay. i buy 5 BTC weekly or $2500 every week, month to month contracts.
615111;1397182507;minersdidit;lol
615112;1397182508;Trader1333;car worth 3x that.
615113;1397182525;TestingUnoDosTre;where is your moms house / where do you live Trader1333?
615114;1397182526;mircea_popescu;you'll pay whatever it costs whenever you find anyone willing to sell yoiu some. if you ever do.
615115;1397182533;Trader1333;DC
615116;1397182556;TestingUnoDosTre;sorry no can do, I'm  midwest mang
615117;1397182558;Trader1333;hell ill escrow the following week's payments too.
615118;1397182573;TestingUnoDosTre;I only deal in straight cash, homay
615119;1397182588;Trader1333;not against escrow, just wish i had options. i would use coinbase instant buy but they changed their bullshit to only being visa credit cards for backing the account.
615120;1397182595;Trader1333;i only have mastercard credit cards.
615121;1397182604;Trader1333;as do i testing.
615122;1397182606;TestingUnoDosTre;go to bitcoin-otc
615123;1397182633;danielpbarron;he probably got banned from there already
615124;1397182635;minersdidit;mircea_popescu: comment on development team
615125;1397182636;Trader1333;$2400 cash in hand last 4 days and willing to buy BTC at bitstamp +1% and have it in hand same day. Its impossible. When market rising and things good could find it all the time.
615126;1397182648;thestringpuller;Trader1333: get in the WoT dude...
615127;1397182652;thestringpuller;stop being a n00b
615128;1397182654;TestingUnoDosTre;bitstamp +1% isn't even a deal
615129;1397182658;mircea_popescu;BCB what's unclear to me is why are any of those three people qualified to opine on regulation.
615130;1397182664;MGK;you sound like a total scammer
615131;1397182672;benkay;plus cash sucks, Trader1333, gotta go with moneypak
615132;1397182676;minersdidit;thickasthieves and goat are on WOT
615133;1397182677;Trader1333;Do tell MGK how i sound AT ALL like a scammer.
615134;1397182678;minersdidit;both are scammers
615135;1397182680;Trader1333;i want to hear this.
615136;1397182687;Trader1333;i say escrow, i say next week's payment in advance and all.
615137;1397182692;Trader1333;do tell HOW AM I A SCAMMER.
615138;1397182692;thestringpuller;minersdidit: how is ThickAsThieves a scammer?
615139;1397182696;Trader1333;do tell mgk you little prick.
615140;1397182706;minersdidit;he was hawking all sorts of garbage
615141;1397182709;Trader1333;you want to run your mouth and u dont know me.
615142;1397182711;thestringpuller;;;gettrust ThickAsThieves
615143;1397182711;minersdidit;with his TATinvestments
615144;1397182712;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar  2 11:19:18 2013
615145;1397182737;benkay;kinda weak wot.
615146;1397182752;MGK;trader1333 scamming since 1994
615147;1397182752;Trader1333;does bitsimple accept any other methods besides bank wire? i'd use them all day if there wasnt that stupid bank wire fee.
615148;1397182756;minersdidit;TAT was mirceas nigger for a bit before going off on his own and hawking the latest scams
615149;1397182786;Trader1333;oh really? wheres that number come from u nit?
615150;1397182786;minersdidit;lol MGK
615151;1397182837;thestringpuller;minersdidit: he reapid XBOND, people made that a bubble and ruined it
615152;1397182850;minersdidit;hes a nigger
615153;1397182855;thestringpuller;so are you
615154;1397182890;benkay;IMPASSE
615155;1397182891;BCB;mircea_popescu, someon has to do it.  Speculating about bitcoin is a cottage industry
615156;1397182897;mircea_popescu;aok.
615157;1397183028;MGK;BCB buy this MS65 1BTC coin from me I got from NightOwl
615158;1397183192;TestingUnoDosTre;why the fuck would anybody buy  "physical" bitcoin
615159;1397183199;mircea_popescu;novelty
615160;1397183204;BCB;an they I love physical bitcoin.
615161;1397183210;BCB;There are some nice ones out there
615162;1397183220;TestingUnoDosTre;they literally can be stolen
615163;1397183223;BCB;But I already have too many
615164;1397183239;danielpbarron;I almost did and then the next day some hacker figured out a way to get the key without ruining the sticker
615165;1397183250;BCB;The Silver Bitcoin Wallets are nice
615166;1397183255;MGK;yeah I sold a .5 to blazedout and looking to sell this one too
615167;1397183275;MGK;but this ones in a ANAC case
615168;1397183281;BCB;I only collect 10 and 100 BTC coins
615169;1397183293;BCB;perferably gold
615170;1397183601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15474 @ 0.00095701 = 14.8088 BTC [-] {2} 
615171;1397183650;minersdidit;which ones BCB
615172;1397183734;BCB;mostly casascius coin. I have a few Titians and a Silver Wallet.
615173;1397183790;minersdidit;whatever happened to darkwallet?
615174;1397183875;MisterE;*sigh* gonna be a long log to catch up on today :)
615175;1397183889;minersdidit;gavin decided to jump ship
615176;1397183893;MisterE;TestingUnoDosTre: numismatic value :p
615177;1397183931;Duffer1;misere you can probably skip the bit where minersdidit starts talking up through now, nothing of value imo
615178;1397183938;TestingUnoDosTre;is that like the value of the penny after they stopped using copper?
615179;1397183954;Duffer1;mistere.. dat frued slip do
615180;1397183965;MisterE;haha, both of you
615181;1397183968;MisterE;:)
615182;1397183998;minersdidit;i thought this was suppose to be the smarter chat
615183;1397184006;minersdidit;instead the same shills repeat the same lines
615184;1397184009;Duffer1;we can't all be beuatiful
615185;1397184015;Duffer1;or good spellers
615186;1397184040;MisterE;probably have more holdings tho :p
615187;1397184054;MisterE;I know terrible metric
615188;1397184090;minersdidit;core developers killed bitcoin imo
615189;1397184097;minersdidit;losers make losers
615190;1397184135;MisterE;trollol
615191;1397184161;minersdidit;http://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
615192;1397184162;ozbot;The sins of the group of posers behind the so called “Bitcoin Foundation� pe Trilema - Un blog d
615193;1397184165;TestingUnoDosTre;wheres the ignore button
615194;1397184183;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre /ignore nick ALL
615195;1397184195;MisterE;*!*
615196;1397184202;TestingUnoDosTre;hahaha
615197;1397184203;minersdidit;Deliberately and quite maliciously tried to meld the BleedingHeart openssl vulnerability into the Bitcoin code. The move seemed bizarre at the timei, seeing how there was exactly zero need and pretty much epsilon benefit of implementing such kludge, and given that everyone with a clue involved pretty much agreed PKI is broken beyond repair anyway. To properly understand the implications of this : NSA has had, for two years
615198;1397184218;MisterE;trollharder.jpg
615199;1397184237;MisterE;minersdidit: they would really benefit from your wealth of knowledge in the BTCe chatbox
615200;1397184245;minersdidit;go away
615201;1397184246;TestingUnoDosTre;hahaha
615202;1397184248;Duffer1;lmao
615203;1397184269;MGK;all honesty bitcoin is stupid slow
615204;1397184272;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15000 @ 0.000145 = 2.175 BTC [-] {3} 
615205;1397184301;TestingUnoDosTre;in all honesty, stocks are stupid slow
615206;1397184322;TestingUnoDosTre;it takes me lieeeeeek 3 days to sell it and get fiat to my bank
615207;1397184333;benkay;real world is slow anyways
615208;1397184338;MGK;it takes like 3 days for me to send bitcoin
615209;1397184355;minersdidit;great article by mircea
615210;1397184356;TestingUnoDosTre;you need to upgrade your subscription to aol
615211;1397184362;MisterE;MGK: stop being a tight ass and include some tx fee it will be instant
615212;1397184369;MisterE;lol AOL
615213;1397184370;MGK;yeah I cashed out from ghash 30mins ago
615214;1397184409;danielpbarron;bitcoin is slow????? try getting your FIAT in 30 minutes
615215;1397184429;MisterE;you can, Western Union but you will pay dearly for it
615216;1397184432;MGK;if btc was so great I wouldnt need FIAT
615217;1397184434;mircea_popescu;sepa is about five minutes.
615218;1397184462;danielpbarron;if you need FIAT then why do you want BTC??
615219;1397184466;minersdidit;it depends where you send WU too
615220;1397184478;minersdidit;to some places its cheap
615221;1397184479;MisterE;true there is also SWIFT
615222;1397184491;minersdidit;lol go send btc in 5minutes to someone you cant even locate it in a city
615223;1397184497;minersdidit;20% atm fee and palm print
615224;1397184516;danielpbarron;minersdidit: that's still FIAT
615225;1397184525;TestingUnoDosTre;pretty sure I can send btc without an atm or a palm print
615226;1397184532;minersdidit;go get one i said.
615227;1397184536;MisterE;btc finds them wherever they go with their wallet
615228;1397184537;danielpbarron;Bitcoin doesn't require a palm print; that's FIAT's doing
615229;1397184547;minersdidit;no thats just stupid nerds and robocoins doing
615230;1397184563;minersdidit;WU does not ask for a palm print lol
615231;1397184585;MGK;last block mined was 1hr 13min ago
615232;1397184586;MGK;lmao
615233;1397184588;danielpbarron;WU charges like 16 bucks
615234;1397184591;MGK;bitcoins dead yo
615235;1397184604;minersdidit;danielpbarron yea and localbitcoins has like a 3-10% spread.
615236;1397184622;minersdidit;nobody earns a bitcoin income other then miners
615237;1397184636;danielpbarron;you keep criticizing Bitcoin for FIAT's problems
615238;1397184638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00583999 = 0.584 BTC [-]
615239;1397184648;minersdidit;no im criticizing it for bitcoins problems
615240;1397184655;minersdidit;how can you get any if 80% of them are held by 50 people
615241;1397184669;MisterE;you've yet to articulate an accurate problem that I've seen
615242;1397184672;*;danielpbarron slaps himself
615243;1397184682;MisterE;they are infinitely divisible
615244;1397184690;minersdidit;even if you offer services and producers youll never get any customers
615245;1397184698;minersdidit;since nobody has them in the first place lol
615246;1397184704;minersdidit;products*
615247;1397184716;MGK;LOL
615248;1397184722;MisterE;you're probably right
615249;1397184725;TestingUnoDosTre;holy shit 1 hr 13 minutes
615250;1397184734;MisterE;no sense wasting your time here with a failed technology eh?
615251;1397184739;MisterE;how abotu moving along
615252;1397184739;MGK;I just said that testing
615253;1397184745;MGK;bitcoin is dead yo
615254;1397184758;danielpbarron;I wonder if a bunch of miners turned off their rigs with the price dip
615255;1397184764;MGK;I wish
615256;1397184770;minersdidit;why would they do that?
615257;1397184773;MGK;but that wont be the case ever
615258;1397184775;minersdidit;even at 360 its free money
615259;1397184781;TestingUnoDosTre;i hope so because I bet that it won't get over 9b in may :D
615260;1397184782;minersdidit;costs like $2 to mine a btc
615261;1397184787;MisterE;danielpbarron: thats exactly what happend
615262;1397184791;mircea_popescu;http://pando.com/2014/04/10/wtf-healbe-scampaign-reaches-1m-thanks-to-undisclosed-contribution-from-indiegogos-hardware-chief/
615263;1397184792;danielpbarron;it costs electricity, minersdidit
615264;1397184793;ozbot;WTF? Healbe scampaign reaches $1m thanks to undisclosed contribution from Indiegogo’s hardware chi
615265;1397184796;mircea_popescu;indiegogo goes havelock lol
615266;1397184825;MGK;and GHAH mines the block
615267;1397184839;danielpbarron;minersdidit: there is a very predictable price point at which miners are better off buying BTC rather than buying electricity to mine
615268;1397184883;minersdidit;danielpbarron: you are clueless. producing an ASIC costs nothing, just becuase some scam companies sell them to retail tards for 20,000% markup does not mean they cost alot to make. the concentrated miners are producing BTC for next to free.
615269;1397184902;minersdidit;some tard in his basement maybe has high costs
615270;1397184913;minersdidit;the big operations dont
615271;1397184916;danielpbarron;minersdidit: right, but that has nothing to do with operating costs
615272;1397184927;minersdidit;the operating costs are 2 dollars a coin and you sell for 370
615273;1397184932;minersdidit;its not rocket science lol
615274;1397184937;minersdidit;to a "believer"
615275;1397184974;minersdidit;tard trades paycheck for what a miner produced out of thin air
615276;1397185056;minersdidit;only reason mining hardware is sold in the first place is because of the 20,000% markups and you get straight up fiat without having to mine BTC first then do the pain in the ass conversion
615277;1397185072;minersdidit;so its like you already mined the rewards when you sell hardware
615278;1397185088;danielpbarron;hey i'm not saying mining isn't scammy
615279;1397185098;minersdidit;now think about that lol
615280;1397185107;minersdidit;its like selling call options all day
615281;1397185112;danielpbarron;i think buying mining equipment is stupid
615282;1397185121;Duffer1;i'm trying not to, everything you've said is so wrong in so many ways it's giving me a headache
615283;1397185128;minersdidit;yea sure
615284;1397185149;TestingUnoDosTre;it's true though
615285;1397185152;minersdidit;tards labor away and get their paycheck to hand over to ASK side. you know someone has to be selling BTC for fiat. if its the "future" why are they selling it
615286;1397185166;minersdidit;miners are on the ask side since they are the only ones with BTC incomes
615287;1397185174;TestingUnoDosTre;please perform a calculation with known hardware at current difficulty and electricity costs minersdidit
615288;1397185186;danielpbarron;my income is BTC denominated
615289;1397185187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00095807 = 11.5926 BTC [+] {2} 
615290;1397185190;minersdidit;dude that calculation is meanigless because half these asics cost jackshit
615291;1397185196;danielpbarron;trying to start a Bitcoin business lol
615292;1397185198;minersdidit;the power consumption is low
615293;1397185205;Duffer1;also calculate how much is being sold vs how much isn't
615294;1397185208;TestingUnoDosTre;I know algebra is difficult
615295;1397185211;minersdidit;people are producing coins for free
615296;1397185214;minersdidit;next to free
615297;1397185221;danielpbarron;you are totally wrong there, minersdidit
615298;1397185227;minersdidit;retail tards have to make back their equipment they paid 20,000% markup for
615299;1397185234;TestingUnoDosTre;it's TOTES for free
615300;1397185241;danielpbarron;right, miners are dumb, we agree there
615301;1397185249;minersdidit;retail end miners are stupid
615302;1397185258;minersdidit;guys who get asics for pennys are smart
615303;1397185266;danielpbarron;yes, again, i agree
615304;1397185279;minersdidit;even they realized its better to sell for fiat at 20,000% profit then mining BTCs lol.
615305;1397185309;danielpbarron;they might even have used that 20000% markup to buy BTC
615306;1397185314;minersdidit;um no
615307;1397185321;minersdidit;they buy cars, houses, business's
615308;1397185330;danielpbarron;good for them, they deserve it
615309;1397185349;minersdidit;well stockholm syndrome 101
615310;1397185370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00095686 = 0.7655 BTC [-]
615311;1397185370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 27 @ 0.03417221 = 0.9226 BTC [-] {11} 
615312;1397185372;minersdidit;tards think they are participating or buying a piece of "technology" lol all they are doing is transfering wealth from 1 party to another
615313;1397185397;TestingUnoDosTre;now you're just going all minarchist on us
615314;1397185416;minersdidit;ask yourself whose on the sell side when 50 people own almost all the coins?
615315;1397185431;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05141349 = 1.0283 BTC [-] {5} 
615316;1397185432;TestingUnoDosTre;you could say the same thing about... anything with value
615317;1397185447;TestingUnoDosTre;does everyone own equal amounts of oil
615318;1397185451;TestingUnoDosTre;how about gold
615319;1397185453;TestingUnoDosTre;real estate?
615320;1397185458;minersdidit;oil gets consumed
615321;1397185467;minersdidit;bitcoin has zero utility outside of its EXCHANGE value.
615322;1397185477;minersdidit;everything youve named has utility outside of exchange
615323;1397185478;TestingUnoDosTre;same thing with DOLLARS
615324;1397185488;minersdidit;dollars are needed to pay debts off
615325;1397185495;danielpbarron;(read: taxes)
615326;1397185495;TestingUnoDosTre;and gold?
615327;1397185509;TestingUnoDosTre;please explain the great utility of gold to me
615328;1397185511;minersdidit;gold is special because it has a high stock to flow ratio
615329;1397185516;danielpbarron;BTC is needed to pay BTC debts off
615330;1397185520;minersdidit;no other commodity has that property
615331;1397185530;benkay;what suckers have btc debts?
615332;1397185531;minersdidit;ie in 24hrs more gold is traded then mined in a given year
615333;1397185540;danielpbarron;wait what? gold is good for the same reason Bitcoin is bad??
615334;1397185543;minersdidit;so you never have supply surprises
615335;1397185552;benkay;give it 80 years, and bitcoin will be in the same position.
615336;1397185553;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.05020911 = 1.6569 BTC [-] {5} 
615337;1397185554;minersdidit;bitcoin has no value outside of exchange
615338;1397185561;minersdidit;you cant do anything with a btc
615339;1397185573;benkay;'cept of course send it to someone in argentina
615340;1397185580;[\];can't do anything with a dollar
615341;1397185581;benkay;or colombia
615342;1397185582;minersdidit;if theres no liquidity the price collapses like now
615343;1397185586;TestingUnoDosTre;you seriosuly can't do much with gold
615344;1397185592;TestingUnoDosTre;sersly
615345;1397185594;minersdidit;you cant do ANYTHING with btc
615346;1397185598;minersdidit;its not even something.
615347;1397185606;minersdidit;if theres no exchange liquidity the value tanks like now
615348;1397185611;TestingUnoDosTre;actually
615349;1397185621;TestingUnoDosTre;you can verify a certain hash of a file at a given time
615350;1397185630;nubbins`;;;ticker
615351;1397185631;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 355.68, Best ask: 356.89, Bid-ask spread: 1.21000, Last trade: 356.89, 24 hour volume: 61196.03807026, 24 hour low: 339.79, 24 hour high: 436.06, 24 hour vwap: 389.993712597
615352;1397185632;minersdidit;lol
615353;1397185632;TestingUnoDosTre;and you can send a message
615354;1397185633;nubbins`;lel
615355;1397185635;MisterE;god has some industrial uses too
615356;1397185639;nubbins`;dat rate
615357;1397185642;TestingUnoDosTre;NUBBINS QUIT IT WITH ALL YOUR ;;TICKER S
615358;1397185643;MisterE;it's being consumed slowly
615359;1397185645;benkay;holy fuck that's a descent rate
615360;1397185656;minersdidit;bitcoin has zero useage outside of its liquidity pool
615361;1397185661;nubbins`;TestingUnoDosTre: once is fine, spamming with it isn't ;)
615362;1397185669;[\];who's the guy that keeps repeating the same statement over and over
615363;1397185674;[\];oh, that's right, the troll
615364;1397185681;minersdidit;oh look dumbass is here
615365;1397185688;minersdidit;go back to #bitcoin
615366;1397185689;*;nubbins` yawns
615367;1397185699;[\];oh look, jackass that has to name himself after his argument so he doesn't forget
615368;1397185704;akstunt600;hahha [\\\] hey [\\\]
615369;1397185711;Duffer1;his earlier talk about quantum economics gave me hope of interesting discussion, i was dissapointed
615370;1397185717;minersdidit;gmaxwell let you out of the basement today?
615371;1397185722;TestingUnoDosTre;lol
615372;1397185726;[\];minersdidit, gmaxwell has nothing to do with me
615373;1397185728;danielpbarron;lol, quantum economics
615374;1397185732;[\];gladd to see you still have a mancrush
615375;1397185733;minersdidit;arent you his bitch
615376;1397185734;TestingUnoDosTre;laughing at duffer, for the record
615377;1397185736;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.04918049 = 2.459 BTC [-] {4} 
615378;1397185742;Duffer1;hehe
615379;1397185757;[\];...No.
615380;1397185775;[\];I do what I want, when I want.  gmaxwell and I have no affiliation.
615381;1397185777;TestingUnoDosTre;what caused the flood of retard into this channel today?
615382;1397185790;minersdidit;whose taking bets on when the bitcoin core has another security fuckup
615383;1397185793;[\];TestingUnoDosTre, its easy to be a bear when there's a downtrend.
615384;1397185798;[\];They all disappear during the bull markets.
615385;1397185798;MisterE;The troll is strong here today, must be the exchange price has brought it out
615386;1397185817;danielpbarron;i've never even used Bitcoin Core; who cares
615387;1397185817;MisterE;^ that
615388;1397185818;Duffer1;testing i was thinking it was one of the talk twitter heads mircea_popescu pissed off..
615389;1397185819;[\];TestingUnoDosTre, MisterE, the trolls usually come out about now.
615390;1397185835;[\];if you've been around for a few years, you notice the pattern.
615391;1397185840;minersdidit;hopefully this bear market leads to most of the devoplment team leaving. gavin going is a positive step
615392;1397185845;minersdidit;then we can make a decent bottom
615393;1397185849;akstunt600;wait untill newfag season
615394;1397185855;MisterE;this is my first dip with the #-assets crew :)
615395;1397185856;Duffer1;i actually hope the same thing miners
615396;1397185857;[\];Gavin hasn't left.  He's just not the lead dev.
615397;1397185858;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.04811428 = 1.684 BTC [-] {3} 
615398;1397185859;MisterE;fun fun
615399;1397185861;[\];MisterE, I'm sorry.
615400;1397185865;TestingUnoDosTre;<MisterE> samesies
615401;1397185868;benkay;by my count we're solidly in the middle of september, akstunt600
615402;1397185870;MisterE;wish it happened more often heh
615403;1397185876;akstunt600;hahahhaha benkay
615404;1397185895;minersdidit;this bear market wont end until most of the core developmeant team is gone and btc foundation closed
615405;1397185903;MisterE;oh newfag season must be even teh worst
615406;1397185909;TestingUnoDosTre;please don't associate those two entities together
615407;1397185910;[\];lol
615408;1397185911;MisterE;never even thought of it
615409;1397185917;minersdidit;why not
615410;1397185923;minersdidit;its the same group of people
615411;1397185923;danielpbarron;idk, i like a lot of what minersdidit says
615412;1397185925;[\];the ignore list grows by one
615413;1397185931;TestingUnoDosTre;it's like comparing the Winkelvii brothers with satoshi
615414;1397185942;benkay;core dev team and btc fundation are pretty tightly aligned
615415;1397185946;minersdidit;satoshi left because he realized the fucktards in the project and didnt want anything to do with them
615416;1397185948;MisterE;yea minersdidit is clearly not dumb
615417;1397185958;nubbins`;who's satoshi?
615418;1397185964;TestingUnoDosTre;touche
615419;1397185965;benkay;who's nubbins` ?
615420;1397185967;[\];minersdidit, quotation needed.
615421;1397185968;nubbins`;oooooo
615422;1397185976;benkay;ka-zong
615423;1397185977;nubbins`;who IS me?
615424;1397185983;benkay;who even ams you!
615425;1397185984;MisterE;Satishi Whogivesafuck
615426;1397185985;TestingUnoDosTre;;;whoami
615427;1397185986;gribble;I don't recognize you.
615428;1397185987;[\];where did satoshi ever call Gavin a fucktard?
615429;1397185989;TestingUnoDosTre;:(
615430;1397185997;minersdidit;when he left
615431;1397186002;[\];In fact, satoshi was the one that gave Gavin rights.
615432;1397186004;minersdidit;hence the leaving.
615433;1397186004;[\];herpderp
615434;1397186021;minersdidit;gavin has been a disaster ever since fork, constant patches and fucked up releases
615435;1397186023;[\];You've got your info wrong, in traditional troll fashion.
615436;1397186027;minersdidit;.9 lasted what 48hrs?
615437;1397186034;[\];but who needs facts
615438;1397186035;minersdidit;before being exploitable
615439;1397186046;MisterE;minersdidit: why don't you code someting better
615440;1397186047;Duffer1;do you have any bitcoins minersdidit?
615441;1397186047;TestingUnoDosTre;has anyone been keeping tabs on any satoshi addesses, is s/he to blame for this downtrend?!?!?!
615442;1397186051;MisterE;easy to rip on others
615443;1397186053;[\];.9 was barely exploitable.
615444;1397186057;MisterE;not so to create solutions
615445;1397186062;minersdidit;yea it lasted 2 days before .91
615446;1397186065;*;danielpbarron was completely uneffected by the "exploit"
615447;1397186075;[\];and 2/3 of the internet was hit by it.
615448;1397186087;minersdidit;why was it in the software in the first place
615449;1397186089;[\];so to make a fuss becaues bitcoin was caught is rather stupid
615450;1397186095;[\];because RPC over SSL isn't a bad thing.
615451;1397186096;minersdidit;http://trilema.com/2014/the-sins-of-the-group-of-posers-behind-the-so-called-bitcoin-foundation/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
615452;1397186096;ozbot;The sins of the group of posers behind the so called “Bitcoin Foundation� pe Trilema - Un blog d
615453;1397186105;minersdidit;best article on the topic
615454;1397186115;Duffer1;do you have any bitcoins minersdidit?
615455;1397186121;danielpbarron;minersdidit: because a bunch of the devs are sucking up to FIAT and are trying to make Bitcoin jive well with the old system
615456;1397186124;minersdidit;no i sold months ago
615457;1397186126;TestingUnoDosTre;<---- lost all his bitcoins to Ukranian videochatters in 2010
615458;1397186133;[\];Its easy to pull out quotes that are right when you make thousands of them.  how about you point out all the quotes that were wrong?
615459;1397186138;minersdidit;whenever i saw bitcoin foundation mugs i knew i was doing the right thing
615460;1397186141;[\];shittons of false claims
615461;1397186153;[\];keep making claims until one comes true
615462;1397186156;[\];ala jesus
615463;1397186162;TestingUnoDosTre;lol
615464;1397186166;minersdidit;go back to your basement dude
615465;1397186168;danielpbarron;can't say I don't wish I sold months ago
615466;1397186169;minersdidit;gmaxwell awaits
615467;1397186176;[\];woah, did I outtroll the troll?
615468;1397186178;[\];I think I did
615469;1397186181;TestingUnoDosTre;speaking of jesus... who's celebrating his resurrection this year with a fatty?
615470;1397186182;minersdidit;the fact is the developmeant team are tards and amateurs
615471;1397186183;[\];since he had to go back to his gmaxwell boner
615472;1397186184;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre no way they took btc in 2010 ?!
615473;1397186214;mircea_popescu;[\\\] dude you come on like once a year and then to argue with my ignore list. wtf is this.
615474;1397186217;[\];mircea_popescu, isn't it past your bedtime?
615475;1397186220;[\];:p
615476;1397186224;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.048 = 0.48 BTC [-]
615477;1397186229;[\];mircea_popescu: ikr
615478;1397186234;[\];its the same troll
615479;1397186236;[\];different nick
615480;1397186240;[\];its cute , almost
615481;1397186245;benkay;must be spring break
615482;1397186264;[\];probably some butthurt litecoin miner
615483;1397186265;benkay;tib, don't you have skirt to chase?
615484;1397186277;MisterE;Ukrainian cam girls on the BTC bleeding edge TestingUnoDosTre? I missed the golden age :/
615485;1397186322;TestingUnoDosTre;<mircea_popescu> ok maybe it didn't happen. just remembered someone posting an old scam of some person scamming for some allaged underage european chicks accepting bitcoin for videochat
615486;1397186335;mircea_popescu;wasn't that... taaki ?
615487;1397186341;mircea_popescu;[\\\]'s other gf ?
615488;1397186347;TestingUnoDosTre;please pull up the article... it was hilarious
615489;1397186351;MisterE;plot thickens
615490;1397186373;*;[\\\] sets mode: +r
615491;1397186400;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/erotic-chat-by-skype.2703/?
615492;1397186408;TestingUnoDosTre;YESSSSSS
615493;1397186439;TestingUnoDosTre;anything goes!!!
615494;1397186445;mircea_popescu;guy's not russian, he just has some skin condition.
615495;1397186468;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 44 @ 0.0447519 = 1.9691 BTC [-] {4} 
615496;1397186529;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 35 @ 0.02818544 = 0.9865 BTC [-] {15} 
615497;1397186530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0485 = 0.1455 BTC [+] {2} 
615498;1397186638;TestingUnoDosTre;this chat returned to normalcy after I ignored minersdidit :(
615499;1397186675;Duffer1;he stopped talking :P
615500;1397186686;akstunt600;TestingUnoDosTre, Oh good it wasnt just you
615501;1397186688;benkay;wait 'till minersdiditi through minersdiditxiv show up
615502;1397186696;akstunt600;He was ......   interesting
615503;1397186703;TestingUnoDosTre;hahhaha
615504;1397186703;akstunt600;fuck
615505;1397186712;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0463675 = 0.2782 BTC [-] {3} 
615506;1397186714;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.025 = 0.275 BTC [-] {2} 
615507;1397186724;[\];see you in a  year
615508;1397186732;TestingUnoDosTre;noooo!
615509;1397186735;minersdidit;later scumbag
615510;1397186746;akstunt600;hahhahha
615511;1397186766;[\];akstunt600: so much more fun than pricetalk, eh?
615512;1397186773;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.04547002 = 0.5911 BTC [-] {5} 
615513;1397186774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4827 @ 0.00014999 = 0.724 BTC [+] {2} 
615514;1397186776;akstunt600;yes
615515;1397186783;akstunt600;and more intelligible convos
615516;1397186786;akstunt600;I love it
615517;1397186819;MisterE;"exchanger_006: is it a good time to buy now guys? its looking like a huge pump?"  //  exchanger_006, Just burn your money you will at least get some BTUs out of it that way.
615518;1397186830;TestingUnoDosTre;alright but one thing he did mention that I was picturing last night was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_and_flow
615519;1397186834;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 805 @ 0.00079999 = 0.644 BTC [+] {2} 
615520;1397186835;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.025 = 0.6 BTC [-] {2} 
615521;1397186895;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 179 @ 0.00084998 = 0.1521 BTC [+] {2} 
615522;1397186896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58998 BTC [+]
615523;1397186956;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04500003 = 0.315 BTC [-]
615524;1397186957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.025 = 0.25 BTC [-]
615525;1397186958;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 325 @ 0.0075 = 2.4375 BTC [+]
615526;1397186999;MisterE;;;later tell minersdidit http://imgur.com/gallery/LdXYO9d
615527;1397186999;gribble;The operation succeeded.
615528;1397187020;TestingUnoDosTre;hahahahah
615529;1397187023;minersdidit;lol
615530;1397187090;MisterE;:)
615531;1397187154;TestingUnoDosTre;I want to buy more bitcoin, but I was a tid bit too impatient over the last couple weeks. Thoughts, words, advice?
615532;1397187221;minersdidit;dont
615533;1397187261;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+]
615534;1397187262;minersdidit;buy mpex stock instead
615535;1397187403;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/1776187/
615536;1397187404;ozbot;dpaste: #1776187
615537;1397187408;minersdidit;buy mirceas role playing game lmao
615538;1397187409;mircea_popescu;srsly ? coincrack ?
615539;1397187476;minersdidit;http://www.eulorum.org/Eulora
615540;1397187477;ozbot;Eulorum
615541;1397187478;minersdidit;lol
615542;1397187511;minersdidit;http://www.eulorum.org/File:Eulora-004-ss2.jpg
615543;1397187516;minersdidit;8months and thousands of btc later
615544;1397187651;Duffer1;i don't see a need to hate on eulora
615545;1397187670;minersdidit;well yea it was just a scam to take btc off people like all of mirceas listings
615546;1397187727;Duffer1;interesting
615547;1397187741;minersdidit;you must be new
615548;1397187778;Duffer1;that's unfortunately true
615549;1397188063;TestingUnoDosTre;can't believe I never have watched Huobi on bitcoinwisdom... this is like btcCrack
615550;1397188133;minersdidit;most of its volume is fake
615551;1397188141;MisterE;heh fake orders are fake
615552;1397188149;MisterE;they get pulled so much
615553;1397188159;MisterE;750k LTC in 30 min yea right!
615554;1397188182;minersdidit;bobby lees brother runs it doesnt he
615555;1397188196;minersdidit;the troll who spawned litecoin
615556;1397188199;steven-__;btc china guys brother made ltc
615557;1397188203;MisterE;thoght bobby did
615558;1397188213;minersdidit;yea asians
615559;1397188216;minersdidit;theyll copy anything
615560;1397188224;MisterE;haha so true
615561;1397188244;minersdidit;charlie lee is touted as some type of inventor becuase he copy and pasted bitcoins source code lol
615562;1397188251;akstunt600;http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoinmining/comments/22qr28/no_profit_there_may_be_a_way_through_market_cap/
615563;1397188253;akstunt600;lol at that
615564;1397188258;akstunt600;i had to comment
615565;1397188291;akstunt600;ohhh minersdidit i think your touching on one of my theories
615566;1397188298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9155 @ 0.00096132 = 8.8009 BTC [+] {2} 
615567;1397188303;minersdidit;whats that
615568;1397188304;akstunt600;I think okcoin and huobi are in on it with CB
615569;1397188318;akstunt600;well less CB and more Charles lees
615570;1397188319;minersdidit;those arent even real exchanges
615571;1397188321;akstunt600;and others
615572;1397188326;akstunt600;like caleb chen etc
615573;1397188341;akstunt600;minersdidit, thats wha im saying they are gibling up cheap coins
615574;1397188345;minersdidit;the real exchanges on bitcoin have no volume
615575;1397188350;akstunt600;yup
615576;1397188378;minersdidit;bitstamp is another sham as well youll never get large $$ out of it
615577;1397188382;minersdidit;unless you an insider
615578;1397188386;akstunt600;heh
615579;1397188390;akstunt600;i use cryptsy
615580;1397188395;akstunt600;its small but it works
615581;1397188398;minersdidit;they dont have fiat
615582;1397188402;akstunt600;im small tho so its suiting
615583;1397188405;akstunt600;they will shortly
615584;1397188411;akstunt600;im stuuck on CB until then
615585;1397188415;MisterE;btce here
615586;1397188419;akstunt600;but again thats not even an exchange really
615587;1397188423;minersdidit;btce is alright
615588;1397188435;minersdidit;bitstamp is another mtgox in the making with those 2 scumbags running it imo
615589;1397188441;MisterE;for dodgy Bulgarians :p
615590;1397188447;akstunt600;hahhahah yup
615591;1397188460;*;danielpbarron has gone otc
615592;1397188475;minersdidit;dude otc is for people with 20 dollar trades
615593;1397188491;minersdidit;the fact that its 2014 and theres not a single reliable btc exchange that is safe
615594;1397188567;akstunt600;pretty ridiculous
615595;1397188684;minersdidit;wheres all the VC money too lol
615596;1397188698;akstunt600;its here
615597;1397188705;akstunt600;you wont see it on the exchanges tho
615598;1397188708;akstunt600;;-)
615599;1397188736;minersdidit;what about the transmission payments to the poor african farmer
615600;1397188758;MisterE;Vodaphone processes most of those now
615601;1397188785;MisterE;moves most of the money via mobile phone for rural South Africans I was reading recently
615602;1397188804;MisterE;not the country but the continent
615603;1397188805;akstunt600;they trade phone card and minutes before bitcoin tho
615604;1397188814;MisterE;yes
615605;1397188836;MisterE;but people are looking at challenging them in that market using the BTC network for processing
615606;1397188837;MisterE;iirc
615607;1397188860;Duffer1;mpesa and kipochii
615608;1397188865;MisterE;as usual the fees are regressive for the poor who need it the most
615609;1397188913;HeySteve;Bitcoin is difficult to introduce to people with poor computing skills
615610;1397188917;minersdidit;um its not that easy to get money to a jungle in the middle of nowhere
615611;1397188934;minersdidit;bitcoin requires first world infrastructure
615612;1397188935;MisterE;sure it is if people beleve the text messages
615613;1397188942;MisterE;so does fiat
615614;1397188944;mircea_popescu;arguable if the very poor need it more than the not-as-very-poor anyway
615615;1397188969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.0009623 = 15.06 BTC [+]
615616;1397188972;HeySteve;cellular infrastructure in africa is surprisingly good
615617;1397188976;minersdidit;why would someone very poor want bitcoin? pretty sure digits on a computer are the least of their concerns
615618;1397188989;benkay;bitcoin for remittances is a decade early if you're talking about sending btc to farmers.
615619;1397189004;minersdidit;bitcoin cant work for remittances becuase you will always have slippage
615620;1397189013;minersdidit;you know the bid/ask spread
615621;1397189022;benkay;bitcoin for remittances might just work if you have good connections and keep your books totally dialed.
615622;1397189040;benkay;capitalize both offices with local fiat and local btc, keep track of how much it costs to replenish both coffers, adjust rate accordingly.
615623;1397189043;minersdidit;dude bitcoin is a product for the first world not some shithole
615624;1397189048;minersdidit;it requires access to bandwith
615625;1397189049;benkay;none of this real time exchange nonsense.
615626;1397189065;minersdidit;you seriously think some tribesman will have a 10TB hardrive to download the blockchain in a decade
615627;1397189093;MisterE;you don't need it you just keep their wallets secure for them the way Vodaphone manages their fiat balances
615628;1397189097;HeySteve;minersdidit, I realise you are just one of those people but in the interests of advancing the debate, light wallets do exist
615629;1397189099;minersdidit;and it brings up the question why would someone even want bitcoin lol
615630;1397189133;minersdidit;i understand cybercrime out of necessity
615631;1397189152;minersdidit;why would someone in africa want bitcoin?
615632;1397189182;HeySteve;profit
615633;1397189185;minersdidit;they dont have ID's to upload for KYC/AML to ever exchange it into the banking system
615634;1397189186;steven-__;why would someone in afrcia want m pesa
615635;1397189197;minersdidit;mpesa isnt bitcoin
615636;1397189204;benkay;over btc? no need to have a crazy blow stamp wallet.
615637;1397189224;minersdidit;btc requires like what 12gb of ram to run?
615638;1397189232;steven-__;thats just not true
615639;1397189232;minersdidit;and 100mbit internet to sync lol
615640;1397189241;HeySteve;no
615641;1397189243;minersdidit;yea you have to rely on lite clients
615642;1397189259;akstunt600;minersdidit, I dont think you understand currency in Africa
615643;1397189266;akstunt600;They use miinutes
615644;1397189269;minersdidit;currency in africa is AK47's, gold
615645;1397189271;akstunt600;like phone minutes
615646;1397189273;minersdidit;USD euro
615647;1397189275;MisterE;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-Pesa
615648;1397189275;akstunt600;lolol
615649;1397189275;ozbot;M-Pesa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
615650;1397189279;kanzure;nobody is transferring $1M using phone minutes
615651;1397189282;akstunt600;before mpesa
615652;1397189288;akstunt600;nooooo never
615653;1397189297;benkay;nobody outside of the insular btc bubble wants btc
615654;1397189309;kanzure;nobody outside the insular economics bubble wants money
615655;1397189311;HeySteve;yes, we trade AK47 bullets for elephant ivory, that's how things work here
615656;1397189318;MisterE;but they all want the processing network
615657;1397189327;benkay;there are great remittance plays to be made using btc to move money for people, but it involves taking fiat on one side and paying fiat out on the other
615658;1397189328;minersdidit;mpesa has a low fee rate compared to bitcoin
615659;1397189329;benkay;great news though
615660;1397189329;akstunt600;Yup, then came M-pesa
615661;1397189336;minersdidit;bitcoin fees are sky high once you factor in bid/ask spread
615662;1397189339;minersdidit;and the miner subsidy
615663;1397189340;benkay;you can trivially move money across the globe with bitcoin
615664;1397189341;akstunt600;beter than the dead curencies they had
615665;1397189361;minersdidit;1m in africa is transfered with gold
615666;1397189362;HeySteve;just the other day I rode my elephant to the closest city with electricity so I could swap gold for bitcoin
615667;1397189368;minersdidit;lol
615668;1397189372;MisterE;:D
615669;1397189388;minersdidit;the funny part about bitcoin is even when you get it to connect to the "financial system"
615670;1397189394;minersdidit;you can never cash it out becuase youll be scammed
615671;1397189418;HeySteve;still, Bitcoin does need a push in emerging markets
615672;1397189424;minersdidit;seriously if i was in africa why would i submit my documents to 2 white idiots from a shithole in europe?
615673;1397189425;akstunt600;big time
615674;1397189430;akstunt600;we have far to users
615675;1397189439;minersdidit;bitcoin has too little users
615676;1397189440;akstunt600;we are in some sort of damn user stagnation
615677;1397189446;akstunt600;far to few
615678;1397189454;akstunt600;like 600-700k gloabaly
615679;1397189455;MisterE;some bad press lately
615680;1397189459;minersdidit;becuase its too costly to use when you factor in the miner subsidy and bid/ask spreads
615681;1397189461;akstunt600;it seems SOOO  much bigger
615682;1397189462;MisterE;last few months has been a few things
615683;1397189473;minersdidit;you buy a bitcoin by the time you get to spend it its lost 5% of its value
615684;1397189478;minersdidit;from some miner
615685;1397189496;akstunt600;minersdidit, Stop trolling now
615686;1397189502;minersdidit;buy 1 BTC for 380, then sell for 365
615687;1397189505;akstunt600;I mine and do not dump
615688;1397189507;minersdidit;yep zero fees
615689;1397189512;akstunt600;miners need simple education
615690;1397189522;HeySteve;I am developing a currency with one of the goals being emerging market adoption
615691;1397189522;minersdidit;why? they respond to profits
615692;1397189525;akstunt600;and many pools can run at 0% fees
615693;1397189532;akstunt600;for transact
615694;1397189536;minersdidit;emerging market is a politically correct term for shithole
615695;1397189544;MisterE;HeySteve: I was just thinking about one to address carbon emissions
615696;1397189554;minersdidit;honestly some markets have been emerging for the last 3 centuries
615697;1397189559;minersdidit;like brazil etc
615698;1397189574;akstunt600;yeah and America is declinging and bowed toBrazil before IMF fucked them too
615699;1397189583;minersdidit;people have zero knowledge of history
615700;1397189592;minersdidit;they think "emerging" markets are late to the game or something lol
615701;1397189594;HeySteve;ok MisterE, how are you thinking of doing that?
615702;1397189614;minersdidit;well would you consider detroit an emerging market?
615703;1397189633;HeySteve;submerging maybe
615704;1397189648;akstunt600;its mix of both
615705;1397189649;MisterE;don't know, just an idea I had this morning and keeps nagging at me
615706;1397189657;minersdidit;even if you gave a african farmer bitcoins they would instantly lose them to guys like eric voorhees
615707;1397189659;minersdidit;with sdice
615708;1397189659;akstunt600;actually some of what is happening there is amazing
615709;1397189659;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
615710;1397189667;nubbins`;;;bc,xau
615711;1397189669;gribble;1 XAU = 1301.200000000000 USD = 3.41540238333 BTC
615712;1397189695;minersdidit;im still confused how bitcoin is suppose to help poor people
615713;1397189727;akstunt600;its cheaper than mepsa
615714;1397189729;akstunt600;DUH
615715;1397189731;akstunt600;omfg
615716;1397189731;minersdidit;no it isnt
615717;1397189737;akstunt600;WOW
615718;1397189738;steven-__;not yet
615719;1397189744;minersdidit;dude you dont look at indirect fees which are huge
615720;1397189754;akstunt600;what indirect fees?
615721;1397189754;minersdidit;bid/ask spreads, volatility etc.
615722;1397189761;minersdidit;when you buy a bitcoin theres a spread
615723;1397189767;akstunt600;i have never loooked at smsm and email for coins
615724;1397189773;MisterE;when you buy a dollar there is a spread
615725;1397189781;minersdidit;its very tiny
615726;1397189784;akstunt600;those arent fees
615727;1397189786;minersdidit;its not 3-10% lol
615728;1397189788;HeySteve;what if poor people could make profit mining crypto on their smartphones?
615729;1397189795;minersdidit;they are part of the transaction cost akstunt600
615730;1397189809;akstunt600;and btc is not yet a viable currency for any "poor" people
615731;1397189815;minersdidit;it never will be
615732;1397189817;MisterE;HeySteve: corps would have to shit that shit down ASAP
615733;1397189821;akstunt600;It can be
615734;1397189825;akstunt600;very easily
615735;1397189833;MisterE;1st shit=shut*
615736;1397189838;minersdidit;why would you overheat a smartphone mining bitcoin dust
615737;1397189839;HeySteve;MisterE, I don't think so. they could get PR being a part of it
615738;1397189848;HeySteve;minersdidit, I said crypto not bitcoin
615739;1397189859;HeySteve;of course smartphones have no chance against asics
615740;1397189860;akstunt600;wow minersdidit that is a gorss misunderstanding
615741;1397189862;akstunt600;lol
615742;1397189862;minersdidit;why not go and add some real value you know like build yourself a home ?
615743;1397189864;minersdidit;in africa lol
615744;1397189880;minersdidit;do you realize mining crypto does nothing.
615745;1397189893;minersdidit;it does not speed up transfers or add new value
615746;1397189896;random_cat;none of us realizes anything
615747;1397189897;MisterE;everything does something
615748;1397189897;akstunt600;it processes transactions
615749;1397189899;akstunt600;WOW
615750;1397189904;minersdidit;it dilutes an existing liquidity pool
615751;1397189908;HeySteve;arguing with people over the interweb also does nothing and adds no new value, yet here we are
615752;1397189911;TestingUnoDosTre;very philosophical, <random_cat>
615753;1397189916;minersdidit;akstunt600 hashrate is useless past a certain point
615754;1397189921;MisterE;Steve +1
615755;1397189946;minersdidit;misterE mining crypto does nothing but dilute existing stock and deplete liquidity pools = high volatility like we have now.
615756;1397189947;MisterE;Obligatory XKCD https://xkcd.com/386/
615757;1397189950;HeySteve;if I earned money for interweb arguments though, I'd do it a lot more
615758;1397189953;TestingUnoDosTre;<HeySteve> it gets my rocks off
615759;1397189986;minersdidit;the best thing that could happen now is if the block reward somehow failed
615760;1397190024;akstunt600;WOW
615761;1397190030;akstunt600;no that would not be good
615762;1397190034;random_cat;somehow, minersdidit, that seems inferior to a blowjob
615763;1397190035;minersdidit;why
615764;1397190039;akstunt600;millions in infrastucture kaput
615765;1397190049;HeySteve;ha
615766;1397190051;minersdidit;theyd still earn fees
615767;1397190057;MGK;anyone want to play madden on xbox one for bitcoin?
615768;1397190058;akstunt600;yeah like all of nothing
615769;1397190058;minersdidit;just no more free coins
615770;1397190066;minersdidit;well yea for doing nothing.
615771;1397190069;akstunt600;minersdidit, they arent free
615772;1397190076;akstunt600;mniers are the mechanism for distributins
615773;1397190079;minersdidit;akstunt600 dude you are clueless.
615774;1397190084;akstunt600;minersdidit, so are you
615775;1397190086;akstunt600;:-P
615776;1397190100;minersdidit;its a horrible distribution method hence the insane volattilty we ahve
615777;1397190116;akstunt600;volatility is good
615778;1397190122;akstunt600;for a new thing
615779;1397190123;random_cat;what is a better distribution method, minersdidit?
615780;1397190126;akstunt600;and new tech
615781;1397190134;random_cat;>3 vol
615782;1397190143;random_cat;err.. yknwim
615783;1397190158;*;random_cat has been eating catnip
615784;1397190159;akstunt600;charts like check marks
615785;1397190165;akstunt600;hehhehe all of em
615786;1397190170;minersdidit;im a farmer in africa yep first thing to help my life is to download bitcoin core and sync the blockchain up
615787;1397190175;akstunt600;mainly btce
615788;1397190180;akstunt600;like perfect chack marke
615789;1397190184;minersdidit;part 2, watch andreas antonopolous videos
615790;1397190200;minersdidit;bitcoin mining does not conjure up capital lol
615791;1397190201;akstunt600;lol whay watch him
615792;1397190205;akstunt600;why*
615793;1397190218;akstunt600;minersdidit, wasnt supposed to
615794;1397190231;TestingUnoDosTre;how is it that it takes thousands of bitcoins sold to drop to 340, yet hundreds bought bring it back to 400?
615795;1397190240;keonne;good morning #bitcoin-assets
615796;1397190241;akstunt600;you seem to forget that this wasnt supposed to grow this fast in the way it did
615797;1397190241;minersdidit;becuase none are offered duh.
615798;1397190252;akstunt600;Asics came too soon
615799;1397190255;minersdidit;testingundostre dude you dont even know how markets function and you are commenting?
615800;1397190271;akstunt600;before enough coins were distributed
615801;1397190327;TestingUnoDosTre;<minersdidit> for some reason my shitty freenode client wouldn't allow me to ignore you, so I will infrequently acknowledge your existence
615802;1397190347;akstunt600;TestingUnoDosTre, its not shitty
615803;1397190360;akstunt600;just use /ignore username all
615804;1397190362;minersdidit;testingunodostre: dude im the most honest guy in here.
615805;1397190371;TestingUnoDosTre;honestly douchey
615806;1397190378;minersdidit;you are new and probably sitting on losses
615807;1397190381;akstunt600;minersdidit, is good troll who makes u think
615808;1397190384;akstunt600;;-)
615809;1397190415;minersdidit;every market has 2 prices not one a bid and an ask.
615810;1397190431;TestingUnoDosTre;minersdidit makes me think I'm back in the days of AIM where someone has invented a bot to chat with you
615811;1397190434;minersdidit;the "price" you keep looking at is irrelevant because it merely reflects the last sale that occured its already history
615812;1397190448;akstunt600;hahahhahahhahahh TestingUnoDosTre
615813;1397190452;akstunt600;thos are fun
615814;1397190459;TestingUnoDosTre;quit trying to pull this Morpheus bullshit on me, I'm not retarded
615815;1397190462;akstunt600;but they arent this creative
615816;1397190474;minersdidit;this bear market has taken down alot of bitcoiners
615817;1397190481;minersdidit;mtgox. charlie shrem etc
615818;1397190482;dub;who the fuck unleashed -otc upon us
615819;1397190484;minersdidit;gavin stepping down
615820;1397190485;TestingUnoDosTre;I knew what a call option was before bitcoin existed
615821;1397190493;minersdidit;dub use ignore
615822;1397190515;TestingUnoDosTre;this command keeps failing me
615823;1397190523;minersdidit;like your life
615824;1397190592;MisterE;$40 swing in a could hours, almost like old days
615825;1397190593;TestingUnoDosTre;your lame attempts to make me riled up are like lullabyes sending me to sleep
615826;1397190595;MisterE;couple*
615827;1397190599;HeySteve;wow such sassy very internet points
615828;1397190635;HeySteve;minersdidit, presenting the bear case is one thing but being a pest is another
615829;1397190656;minersdidit;what bear case?
615830;1397190659;MisterE;thanks for entertainment while I wait for the water filter service tech
615831;1397190671;minersdidit;dude bitcoin is a sophisticated wealth transfer mechanism with a clever story
615832;1397190682;MisterE;minersdidit: get a new script
615833;1397190688;minersdidit;couple guys get rich everyone else remains poor
615834;1397190691;minersdidit;its not world changing lol
615835;1397190693;MisterE;you've added nothing new to the debate for like an hour now
615836;1397190701;random_cat;good morning, east asia
615837;1397190701;minersdidit;never knew there was a debate
615838;1397190764;minersdidit;1 bitcoin transaction costs $21 in miner subisdies today
615839;1397190766;TestingUnoDosTre;random_cat, please drop some more confuscianisms on us
615840;1397190806;HeySteve;with any new technology, first-movers prosper. bitcoin doesn't have to make everyone in the world wealthy to succeed
615841;1397190808;minersdidit;https://blockchain.info/charts/cost-per-transaction
615842;1397190809;ozbot;Bitcoin Cost Per Transaction
615843;1397190819;minersdidit;this is why users are not coming in droves
615844;1397190821;HeySteve;to succeed, it just has to be better than the competition
615845;1397190826;minersdidit;miner revenue = network cost
615846;1397190839;minersdidit;you quickly realize youve got a highly inefficient network at play
615847;1397190857;minersdidit;paying millions per day for a few thousand users
615848;1397190858;MisterE;perceived better*
615849;1397190865;minersdidit;HeySteve its worse.
615850;1397190876;TestingUnoDosTre;53 bitcoins on stamp = +5 price
615851;1397190894;dub;-assets gives zero fucks about btc/usd, please find some way to die all of you
615852;1397190902;HeySteve;how is bitcoin worse than inflationary fiat currency which can be easily seized by bankrupt govts?
615853;1397190932;minersdidit;bitcoin has experienced 100% inflation since january 1st
615854;1397190937;minersdidit;its lost half its value
615855;1397190945;minersdidit;have your dollars done that?
615856;1397190968;MisterE;many times over it's just reported funny so people can't see
615857;1397190970;minersdidit;everything that cost 1btc jan1st cost 2btc now
615858;1397190974;HeySteve;nand since january 1st 2013?
615859;1397190976;MisterE;why you think Fed no publish M3 anymore?
615860;1397190985;MisterE;not at that rate though ofc
615861;1397190987;minersdidit;dude m3 is credit
615862;1397190993;minersdidit;you dont even know how the fiat system functions
615863;1397191003;MisterE;but pretty damn fast and relentlessly the printing presses are running
615864;1397191007;minersdidit;extending credit and printing are 2 different things
615865;1397191007;HeySteve;it all depends on your timeframe, the general trend of bitcoin is appreciating currency however
615866;1397191014;minersdidit;misterE um so why hasnt it collapsed yet?
615867;1397191020;MisterE;m3 is total money supply
615868;1397191023;minersdidit;its not zimbabwe
615869;1397191038;minersdidit;zimbambwe was fiat money the dollar is credit money
615870;1397191045;minersdidit;2 different concepts here folks.
615871;1397191046;MisterE;it has failed, just recently, have you a short memory>
615872;1397191066;MisterE;and many times before that similar systems all fail
615873;1397191068;minersdidit;the dollar can only fail if the bond market fails
615874;1397191074;HeySteve;minersdidit, let's see what happens to USD if Russia and China continue to conduct trade in their own currencies
615875;1397191084;minersdidit;nothing it depends on the bondmarket
615876;1397191093;MisterE;every currency in history has failed and USD will fail one day too
615877;1397191097;minersdidit;russia and china combined are not even 50% of US gdp dude
615878;1397191115;minersdidit;misterE thats true but that one day can be 100 years from now when we are dead.
615879;1397191135;minersdidit;the chinese RMB will fail before the dollar does
615880;1397191157;minersdidit;and russian rubble has failed like 20 times in the last 50 years alone lol
615881;1397191184;MisterE;reason Russia came out of collapse easy was everything was already state owned
615882;1397191186;HeySteve;right, now there is an alternative to failure-prone fiat currencies. you are proving my point
615883;1397191193;MisterE;they were mych better prepared
615884;1397191204;minersdidit;no there isnt
615885;1397191218;minersdidit;the chinese RMB is a dollar derivative
615886;1397191222;minersdidit;and so is the russian ruble
615887;1397191231;HeySteve;lol tell that to Russia and China
615888;1397191236;minersdidit;its impossible for teh derivative to succeed when the underlying asset fails
615889;1397191259;minersdidit;heysteve you are confused pal. the chinese yuan is defacto linked to the US dollar and the US bond market
615890;1397191272;HeySteve;until it isn't
615891;1397191272;minersdidit;its backed by the portfolio of US treasuries china holds
615892;1397191279;minersdidit;it has to be. its a derivative
615893;1397191302;MisterE;an asset is what people believe it is a single opinion is worth maybe a paper IOU
615894;1397191305;minersdidit;hence why the US dollar as bad as it is will be the last to fail not the first. the derivatives based on the dollar will fail first
615895;1397191325;minersdidit;long before the dollar collapses the chinese currency and government will implode
615896;1397191341;HeySteve;ok so you've mentioned a good reason for all chinese and russians to acquire bitcoin
615897;1397191349;minersdidit;bitcoin has no liquidity
615898;1397191355;minersdidit;you also are using circular logic
615899;1397191364;minersdidit;if a chinese acquires bitcoin with RMB someone else now has the rmb
615900;1397191367;MisterE;so what should they do?
615901;1397191369;minersdidit;it doesnt erase lol
615902;1397191388;HeySteve;it does if the currency fails, as you say
615903;1397191391;minersdidit;unfortunately in 2014 the only option is USD in paper format and dollars
615904;1397191400;minersdidit;maybe if bitcoin becomes 1000x bigger in the future
615905;1397191405;minersdidit;err and gold*
615906;1397191418;TestingUnoDosTre;nice dude, can I trade my papyrus for goods now?
615907;1397191419;minersdidit;us dollars in paper format and gold are your only safe havens in 2014
615908;1397191440;minersdidit;bitcoin is ultra high beta. it collapses when risk appetites change
615909;1397191451;TestingUnoDosTre;family has been hodling since the macedonian era
615910;1397191451;minersdidit;hence why we are at the same level as november and so is the nasdaq
615911;1397191473;minersdidit;with a gold coin you can go anywhere in the world and someone will trade you X for it
615912;1397191483;minersdidit;with bitcoin good luck outside of hipster cafes in major cities lol
615913;1397191533;minersdidit;look the russian ruble is down this year i think what 20%? did holding bitcoin help a russian? hed be down 35%
615914;1397191545;minersdidit;btc is too small
615915;1397191605;akstunt600;way to small
615916;1397191608;akstunt600;i agree there
615917;1397191608;minersdidit;when size comes into bitcoin markets the bid ask spreads widen like crazy
615918;1397191610;MisterE;all emerging technologies are
615919;1397191618;minersdidit;dude you arent buying a piece of a technology
615920;1397191628;MisterE;thats why there is opportunity and scams
615921;1397191630;akstunt600;yeah we are adopting it
615922;1397191632;minersdidit;how many times are you going to repeat that lol
615923;1397191634;akstunt600;its similar
615924;1397191644;MisterE;guys like you are not cut out for it quite frankly minersdidit
615925;1397191645;minersdidit;bitcoin is ultra high beta its related to fiat flows
615926;1397191651;minersdidit;when fiat flows contract bitcoin goes down 90%~
615927;1397191653;akstunt600;i agree MisterE
615928;1397191655;minersdidit;when they expand it rises 1000%
615929;1397191667;TestingUnoDosTre;and that's why he probably owns <1 btc
615930;1397191675;minersdidit;misterE i sold months ago at 800+
615931;1397191688;minersdidit;dude im in btc when you tards werent even in here lol
615932;1397191696;minersdidit;before you bagholders came
615933;1397191705;MisterE;lol this guy
615934;1397191715;minersdidit;you guys are clueless
615935;1397191725;minersdidit;bitcoin is nowhere near a "safe" haven
615936;1397191745;akstunt600;minersdidit, that is some ego
615937;1397191755;akstunt600;can you see though that ego?
615938;1397191758;minersdidit;in 2014 the absolute "safest" havens are US dollars paper format, gold coin format, US treasury bills, US 2 year notes, German 2 year notes
615939;1397191762;dub;tiberius sup
615940;1397191763;akstunt600;through*
615941;1397191764;MisterE;I think we're witnessing a pharmacological disaster
615942;1397191771;akstunt600;yeah
615943;1397191776;akstunt600;somethinglike it
615944;1397191787;minersdidit;bitcoin is on the ultra danger list
615945;1397191795;minersdidit;hence why its down 50% YTD
615946;1397191806;MisterE;yep and that's where the big boys play
615947;1397191828;minersdidit;i think if bitcoin ever has like 50bil of bid books
615948;1397191841;minersdidit;you can call it a safe haven
615949;1397191853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10812 @ 0.00096283 = 10.4101 BTC [+] {2} 
615950;1397191858;random_cat;next year?
615951;1397191867;minersdidit;problem with bitcoin is the users are at the behest of miners
615952;1397191869;benkay;ten years. mebbe 20.
615953;1397191874;minersdidit;never.
615954;1397191882;akstunt600;minersdidit, thats the fcuking pooint bro
615955;1397191882;MisterE;I dont recall anyone here saying "safe haven" but you?
615956;1397191886;benkay;only useful in places like ars with actually malignant currency regimes.
615957;1397191888;akstunt600;did you read the whitepaper
615958;1397191889;akstunt600;lol
615959;1397191895;minersdidit;yes
615960;1397191910;minersdidit;satoshi had zero clue about money or economics lol
615961;1397191914;akstunt600;hmmm, doesnt seem like it
615962;1397191916;benkay;the war hasn't even started.
615963;1397191924;MisterE;^
615964;1397191927;minersdidit;what war
615965;1397191927;benkay;there's no blood.
615966;1397191936;akstunt600;there will be blood over this
615967;1397191938;benkay;victory or loss, way too early.
615968;1397191939;minersdidit;dude pull up bitcoin liquidity books ie the order books
615969;1397191940;akstunt600;i guarentee it
615970;1397191942;MisterE;lots
615971;1397191945;minersdidit;they are just as bad as 1 year ago
615972;1397191946;akstunt600;yup
615973;1397191949;benkay;no, real blood minersdidit
615974;1397191953;akstunt600;^
615975;1397191959;minersdidit;no there wont be
615976;1397191967;benkay;silly troll ;)
615977;1397191972;benkay;predictable contradiction
615978;1397191974;akstunt600;sucks but that is where our centralized banking system has lead us
615979;1397191975;minersdidit;bitcoin requires extensive infrastructure in place to work
615980;1397191983;minersdidit;high bandwith, electricity you know civilized society
615981;1397191994;akstunt600;and USD is on tops of the same pyramid scheme
615982;1397191996;minersdidit;its dependant on shitloads of things functioning.
615983;1397192000;minersdidit;encryption
615984;1397192003;akstunt600;think of btc as gateway to something else
615985;1397192006;akstunt600;;-)
615986;1397192009;minersdidit;a bunch of tard developers to "patch" shit
615987;1397192013;akstunt600;wow
615988;1397192021;MisterE;that something else is a digital monetary future
615989;1397192021;benkay;true nuff
615990;1397192024;minersdidit;it wont work in a society collapse
615991;1397192030;akstunt600;minersdidit, its not much and its a work in progress
615992;1397192044;MisterE;100% guarantee you its coming and I'm gonna be there with front row seats
615993;1397192046;akstunt600;so yes pateches come with the territory
615994;1397192047;minersdidit;akstunt600 yea theyve been saying that year after year, the protocol is just as bad as it was in 09
615995;1397192054;akstunt600;WOW
615996;1397192055;danielpbarron;minersdidit: what should we do?
615997;1397192064;minersdidit;there isnt even any standard
615998;1397192065;akstunt600;^
615999;1397192076;akstunt600;well then how do we olve the money problem
616000;1397192077;MisterE;he things we should be in USD fiat and AU
616001;1397192080;TestingUnoDosTre;computers requjire extensive infrastructure in place to work. The internet required high bandwidth, electricity- you know civilized society
616002;1397192082;minersdidit;youve got a bunch of failures from the last dotcom boom running around pretending to be leaders
616003;1397192104;akstunt600;minersdidit, who one whole guy andreas?
616004;1397192112;TestingUnoDosTre;I'm going to quit computers
616005;1397192113;TestingUnoDosTre;and internet
616006;1397192114;minersdidit;the dollar collapsing is the worse thing that could occur to bitcoin
616007;1397192114;TestingUnoDosTre;so scammy
616008;1397192118;akstunt600;^
616009;1397192129;minersdidit;not sure why people are happy about it happening lol
616010;1397192132;danielpbarron;minersdidit: ok, you're right, what should we do?
616011;1397192146;TestingUnoDosTre;tell us, oh fearless leader
616012;1397192152;akstunt600;Mineits gonna be a soft collapse blood will be spilled as usd tanks
616013;1397192155;minersdidit;keep feeding your paychecks into the pockets of miners duh.
616014;1397192157;minersdidit;and early adopters
616015;1397192159;MisterE;save us minersdidit
616016;1397192171;TestingUnoDosTre;THE END ISTH NEAR
616017;1397192172;akstunt600;hahahah ^
616018;1397192174;MGK;miner sounds butthurt
616019;1397192176;minersdidit;akstunt600: the USD will be the last fiat to collapse
616020;1397192180;akstunt600;yup MGK
616021;1397192182;danielpbarron;minersdidit: so adjusting for sarcasm, we should stop buying Bitcoin?
616022;1397192189;akstunt600;minersdidit, Duh
616023;1397192198;minersdidit;you should have stopped months ago
616024;1397192206;TestingUnoDosTre;wait wait wait
616025;1397192206;akstunt600;its a top a pyramid of world currencies
616026;1397192206;danielpbarron;well why didn't you tell us months ago
616027;1397192207;minersdidit;we can have a relief rally now after 4months of bear market
616028;1397192210;akstunt600;and hold leverage
616029;1397192216;akstunt600;over the worlds currency
616030;1397192216;danielpbarron;that doesn't really help us now
616031;1397192217;MisterE;wow not up $50
616032;1397192220;MisterE;now
616033;1397192222;danielpbarron;minersdidit: what can we do now?
616034;1397192224;akstunt600;have you even forex'd bro?
616035;1397192229;minersdidit;danielpbarron what do you mean?
616036;1397192241;akstunt600;yeah what danielpbarron
616037;1397192250;akstunt600;what is our solution then minersdidit
616038;1397192254;akstunt600;lol
616039;1397192255;danielpbarron;minersdidit: well you make a lot of good points. what should I do?
616040;1397192255;minersdidit;solution to what
616041;1397192257;TestingUnoDosTre;he's asking for legitimate advice... NOW
616042;1397192263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00095856 = 10.4483 BTC [-] {3} 
616043;1397192264;TestingUnoDosTre;not asking what we all could have done 4 months ago
616044;1397192265;akstunt600;minersdidit, the fucking money problem
616045;1397192273;TestingUnoDosTre;because it's easy to predict the past
616046;1397192289;akstunt600;like the failing dollar issue HELLO
616047;1397192291;minersdidit;well first off if you are poor as i suspect everyone in here is, yea you might as well try to buy bitcoin lottery tickets lol
616048;1397192292;TestingUnoDosTre;tell us what to do so we can quote you
616049;1397192304;akstunt600;WOW minersdidit
616050;1397192309;danielpbarron;minersdidit: what do I do if i'm not poor?
616051;1397192310;akstunt600;so bitcoin is the solution
616052;1397192311;akstunt600;lol
616053;1397192319;minersdidit;well no its a get rich quick scheme
616054;1397192323;akstunt600;what a fail troll
616055;1397192330;TestingUnoDosTre;so poor right now... let me pick up my topless girlfriend from mcdonalds
616056;1397192334;minersdidit;once youve already obtained wealth then you can worry about keeping it lol
616057;1397192335;akstunt600;get rich on what a failing currency
616058;1397192348;minersdidit;bitcoin has no more 100 bagger in it it though
616059;1397192351;akstunt600;USA is the next version of the roman empire
616060;1397192358;minersdidit;like the rally has already occured
616061;1397192364;akstunt600;except this time it brings everyone down with it
616062;1397192379;akstunt600;where is your retort
616063;1397192395;akstunt600;we are over extended
616064;1397192397;minersdidit;the roman empire took hundreds of years to unravel
616065;1397192399;minersdidit;the US will too
616066;1397192401;MisterE;;;ticker --market all
616067;1397192404;akstunt600;and quality of lif is on the decline
616068;1397192407;minersdidit;it didnt happen in a day
616069;1397192409;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 408.0, vol: 62276.18702996 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 412.49, vol: 48296.09241 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 410.2, vol: 55835.03565306 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 400.0, vol: 356.16162725 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 418.59356, vol: 9266.79720000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 381.49264, vol: 21.81183726 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 394.617997221, vol: 317.08023633 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
616070;1397192416;akstunt600;in all "first world" countries
616071;1397192416;minersdidit;yes but you are talking about trends that can take lifetimes
616072;1397192422;akstunt600;nope
616073;1397192426;akstunt600;we dont have much time
616074;1397192428;danielpbarron;minersdidit: I thought you had advice to give since you are so earnest in your attempt to convince us; I mean this in all sincerity
616075;1397192428;akstunt600;tick tock
616076;1397192431;minersdidit;dude quality of life is higher then 60 years ago in first world countries
616077;1397192431;TestingUnoDosTre;<minersdidit> - bitcoin won't go to 40K soon?!? but I bought because all the bitcointalk threads todl me so
616078;1397192437;minersdidit;60 years ago youd be in bombed out europe
616079;1397192441;akstunt600;minersdidit, not for 50%
616080;1397192451;akstunt600;right now its not good
616081;1397192454;minersdidit;bitcoin 40k is impossible for a reason ill quickly outline to the poor in here
616082;1397192457;TestingUnoDosTre;define first world country
616083;1397192482;minersdidit;if you notice everytime bitcoin rallys, altcoins tend to rally faster, as they are essentially substitutes to access bitcoin liquidity
616084;1397192491;minersdidit;so even if we achieved a 500bil market cap
616085;1397192501;minersdidit;bitcoin would only be maybe 25-40% of that
616086;1397192509;minersdidit;the rest would be all these substitutes that are exchangable for it
616087;1397192513;TestingUnoDosTre;actually, i've seen altcoins TRAIL bitcoin rallies
616088;1397192518;minersdidit;now do the math 40% of 500bil devided by 21mil
616089;1397192519;akstunt600;me too
616090;1397192521;akstunt600;many times
616091;1397192524;punkman;lol
616092;1397192524;minersdidit;bullshit
616093;1397192536;akstunt600;no i have DOge has done it a few times
616094;1397192536;TestingUnoDosTre;bullshit?!
616095;1397192539;akstunt600;so has ltc
616096;1397192541;minersdidit;altcoins have already drained up to 10% of bitcoins market cap
616097;1397192546;minersdidit;in the last 12months
616098;1397192548;akstunt600;and im guessing the other too at points
616099;1397192553;minersdidit;they go down faster and up faster
616100;1397192558;minersdidit;PAST a certain point.
616101;1397192564;akstunt600;whats that point?
616102;1397192567;minersdidit;becuase this is the flaw with quantity theory of money i outlined earlier
616103;1397192581;minersdidit;as bitcoin demand increases no mechanisms exist to increase supply to market so altcoins start doing their thing
616104;1397192585;minersdidit;acting as substitutes
616105;1397192589;akstunt600;well again minersdidit what is your solution?
616106;1397192591;minersdidit;becuase its so easy to trade between BTC and ALT
616107;1397192600;minersdidit;so think about that for a second
616108;1397192601;TestingUnoDosTre;happened march 1st, when BTC rallied https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/ltcbtc
616109;1397192611;minersdidit;dude dont look at 1 day events lol
616110;1397192614;akstunt600;what is your solution to the money problem minersdidit
616111;1397192625;MGK;miner would you like me to send you some bitcoin so you can be cool too?
616112;1397192628;TestingUnoDosTre;LTC / BTC rate dropped to the floor and followed
616113;1397192639;minersdidit;testing um 15months ago ltc wasnt even on the radar
616114;1397192644;minersdidit;the fact that it is proves my point.
616115;1397192654;TestingUnoDosTre;no
616116;1397192656;TestingUnoDosTre;no it does not
616117;1397192656;minersdidit;altcoins drain btc market cap during demand surges
616118;1397192661;akstunt600;i mine doge and many other do to so it can be its own thing it has exits to fiat
616119;1397192664;akstunt600;so does ltc
616120;1397192666;minersdidit;btc is about 90% of all crypto
616121;1397192668;akstunt600;they dont btc
616122;1397192671;akstunt600;;-)
616123;1397192675;akstunt600;what is your solution to the money problem minersdidit
616124;1397192678;minersdidit;that number declines during heavy demand.
616125;1397192688;minersdidit;remember where ltc was during btc 1k like 0.05 or whatever
616126;1397192692;MisterE;minersdidit: and I already replied that BTC is infinitely divisible so that wipes out your argument on no supply
616127;1397192697;akstunt600;do you have anything better than btc or alts?
616128;1397192705;minersdidit;misterE that doesnt mean anything you cant devided market cap lol
616129;1397192716;minersdidit;the world cannot run out of crypto dude.
616130;1397192721;minersdidit;you can point miners anywhere in seconds
616131;1397192729;MisterE;not the world as we know it
616132;1397192729;akstunt600;minersdidit, of sure it can
616133;1397192732;minersdidit;that puts an absolute cieling on bitcoins price
616134;1397192733;MisterE;the world is gonna have to change
616135;1397192753;minersdidit;the rally to get rich quick has already occured 2009-2013
616136;1397192767;minersdidit;a 10 bagger off these levels would be lucky
616137;1397192771;minersdidit;100 bagger forget it lol
616138;1397192778;TestingUnoDosTre;I think you mistook me for serious when I was asking about bitcoin to 40k
616139;1397192786;TestingUnoDosTre;you are  quite... retarded
616140;1397192786;minersdidit;no people in here believe it
616141;1397192791;akstunt600;minersdidit, and we got a lot from that minaly infrastructure
616142;1397192797;akstunt600;and on btc 2.0
616143;1397192799;akstunt600;welll
616144;1397192803;akstunt600;ill stop there
616145;1397192804;minersdidit;you got alot from the wealth transfer scheme aspect of it.
616146;1397192821;minersdidit;if 80% of coins are held by less then 100 individuals if they hold those off the market the remaining 20% set the price
616147;1397192823;TestingUnoDosTre;what about a 3 bagger within 4 years
616148;1397192829;minersdidit;and they got bid up violantly
616149;1397192829;TestingUnoDosTre;could you discount that?
616150;1397192831;MisterE;funny when asked for advice you have nothing to offer but "buy btc lottery tickets"
616151;1397192837;akstunt600;yu[
616152;1397192839;akstunt600;yup*
616153;1397192843;akstunt600;so troll
616154;1397192846;minersdidit;misterE well i asked if you were poor you said yes
616155;1397192847;MisterE;enjoy your USD lottery tickets, more likely to hit but value is shit
616156;1397192856;akstunt600;minersdidit, is the same guy i have been talking to for 3 days
616157;1397192858;minersdidit;dude btc is down 50% since jan 1st lol
616158;1397192862;akstunt600;he changes nicks all the time
616159;1397192869;TestingUnoDosTre;what's your point
616160;1397192870;minersdidit;ive never talked to you
616161;1397192871;akstunt600;and continues the same arguemnts
616162;1397192876;akstunt600;BULL SHIT
616163;1397192877;TestingUnoDosTre;did you buy on jan 1st?
616164;1397192878;TestingUnoDosTre;i did not
616165;1397192886;minersdidit;well you bought earlier at higher levels
616166;1397192895;akstunt600;you speak with them same style and argue the same points
616167;1397192905;minersdidit;akstunt600 whats your other nick?
616168;1397192905;akstunt600;i can see the symantics
616169;1397192913;akstunt600;this is me you know me
616170;1397192913;minersdidit;ive never spoken to you
616171;1397192916;MisterE;[11:57:47]  minersdidit: well first off if you are poor as i suspect everyone in here is, yea you might as well try to buy bitcoin lottery tickets lol
616172;1397192916;akstunt600;BS
616173;1397192924;MisterE;you suggested we are poor
616174;1397192930;danielpbarron;I once donated $35 to the Ron Paul 2012 Presidential campaign in exchange for 5 BTC
616175;1397192930;minersdidit;of course you are lol
616176;1397192931;akstunt600;your have to be getting paid bro
616177;1397192934;minersdidit;theres like 3-4 rich guys in here
616178;1397192937;minersdidit;the rest are dirt poor
616179;1397192943;minersdidit;couple K in bitcoin at max
616180;1397192950;akstunt600;this is classic text books shit from that NSA slide on gaining poer in IRC
616181;1397192952;minersdidit;mircea is probably the wealthiest in here
616182;1397192952;benkay;<minersdidit> it wont work in a society collapse << of course, just in small isolated islands of civilization dotted round the landscape of destruction
616183;1397192958;akstunt600;mmmmkay minersdidit
616184;1397192967;akstunt600;your some buthurt miner that read it
616185;1397192970;akstunt600;lol
616186;1397192980;minersdidit;read what
616187;1397192991;akstunt600;the NSA IRC guide
616188;1397192993;akstunt600;;-)
616189;1397193002;punkman1;"This patch is setting  OPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEAT, but openssl actually only disables heartbeats when  you set OPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS (note trailing S)."
616190;1397193020;minersdidit;link it
616191;1397193028;MisterE;nice
616192;1397193030;akstunt600;no its well known
616193;1397193033;akstunt600;check EFF
616194;1397193041;minersdidit;whats that lol
616195;1397193041;akstunt600;you know it already
616196;1397193049;akstunt600;trolololol
616197;1397193075;minersdidit;akstunt i dont need to tell you things you can see with your own eyes ie btc down 50% YTD. its a high beta asset
616198;1397193090;minersdidit;remember the shills told everyone volatility would decrease
616199;1397193093;minersdidit;well it hasnt
616200;1397193118;benkay;<akstunt600> get rich on what a failing currency << bitcoin isn't going to make anyone playing with it rich. only application and hard work will accomplish that.
616201;1397193127;minersdidit;bitcoin shills also told everyone mass adoption would occur
616202;1397193128;minersdidit;it hasnt
616203;1397193135;MisterE;My email: "The Department of State has issued this Worldwide Caution to update information on the continuing threat of terrorist actions and violence against U.S. citizens and interests throughout the world. U.S. citizens are reminded to maintain a high level of vigilance and to take appropriate steps to increase their security awareness. This replaces the Worldwide Caution dated September 25, 2013, to provide updated information on
616204;1397193136;MisterE;security threats and terrorist activities worldwide."
616205;1397193157;MisterE;FUD of the highest order
616206;1397193165;minersdidit;https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions?timespan=1year&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=
616207;1397193169;minersdidit;mass adoption
616208;1397193176;akstunt600;benkay, Exaclty
616209;1397193180;MisterE;come back next year minersdidit
616210;1397193181;akstunt600;https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
616211;1397193189;akstunt600;theres your infiltration guide
616212;1397193193;MisterE;we'll revisit
616213;1397193195;akstunt600;EFF has whole thing
616214;1397193198;minersdidit;misterE lol why so its the same lvel as this year if not lower?
616215;1397193204;minersdidit;weve gone nowhere in 12months
616216;1397193207;MisterE;April seems good for crashy so...
616217;1397193214;akstunt600;minersdidit, early in the year brah
616218;1397193240;akstunt600;it msakes sense to me btc would be inthe dirt before major adoption
616219;1397193252;akstunt600;it helps to allow the poor college kids to buy in
616220;1397193255;minersdidit;they said the same thing in spring 2013
616221;1397193260;akstunt600;this is what we needed i think
616222;1397193261;minersdidit;bitcoin shills
616223;1397193267;akstunt600;wow
616224;1397193277;minersdidit;dude who do you expect to adopt bitcoin though?
616225;1397193287;minersdidit;crypto locker was the biggest influence on bitcoin's price move
616226;1397193293;akstunt600;People ask me everyday
616227;1397193294;minersdidit;it arrived on the scene in fall 2013
616228;1397193298;akstunt600;EVERYDAY
616229;1397193300;minersdidit;yea poor people
616230;1397193304;akstunt600;duh
616231;1397193307;akstunt600;and rich
616232;1397193317;minersdidit;becuase they just want the price to go up 10x without them doing any work
616233;1397193327;akstunt600;mainly college kids up to 35
616234;1397193333;akstunt600;and upt to*
616235;1397193334;minersdidit;yea losers needing quick loot lol
616236;1397193340;minersdidit;they arent actual users of bitcoin
616237;1397193353;akstunt600;minersdidit, nah many LOVE the core principal it represents
616238;1397193360;akstunt600;and the Gen y is fucked
616239;1397193370;minersdidit;bitcoin isnt going to help them
616240;1397193371;akstunt600;they are still too dumb to really jump on yet
616241;1397193379;minersdidit;it doesnt generate capital thats needed
616242;1397193387;akstunt600;minersdidit, unless the price drops further
616243;1397193391;akstunt600;;-)
616244;1397193392;minersdidit;like you dont download skills from the blockchain lol
616245;1397193404;akstunt600;no thats what the internet is for
616246;1397193406;minersdidit;bitcoin is just a tool
616247;1397193419;minersdidit;its useless with stupid operators
616248;1397193424;akstunt600;wow
616249;1397193425;minersdidit;as weve seen
616250;1397193430;akstunt600;im done
616251;1397193439;akstunt600;your not even making valid arguemnts anymore
616252;1397193441;minersdidit;you preparing your bitcoin pitch
616253;1397193446;minersdidit;to hawk to the local coffee shop
616254;1397193475;minersdidit;listen bitcoin isnt changing shit other then making a couple guys very rich. the same problems that existed before will exist in bitcoin but even worse.
616255;1397193490;minersdidit;people who have lost with crypto related schemes far outnumber anyone whose benefited
616256;1397193510;akstunt600;minersdidit, proof?
616257;1397193510;minersdidit;and theres no sign of the scams going away
616258;1397193515;akstunt600;proof?
616259;1397193516;minersdidit;lol add up the total losses dude
616260;1397193519;akstunt600;proof?
616261;1397193521;minersdidit;mtgox is what 20million alone
616262;1397193523;akstunt600;proof?
616263;1397193534;akstunt600;they arent out yet
616264;1397193541;minersdidit;largest benefactors are guys like roger ver
616265;1397193544;akstunt600;proof?
616266;1397193547;benkay;<minersdidit> crypto locker was the biggest influence on bitcoin's price move << i've said this too, but i'm an idiot
616267;1397193567;minersdidit;well it was coffee shops lol
616268;1397193572;akstunt600;wow price is recovering nicely
616269;1397193578;akstunt600;WOW look at huobi
616270;1397193581;minersdidit;dead cat bounce
616271;1397193597;akstunt600;minersdidit, it will come back down
616272;1397193601;minersdidit;miners carrying their victims for a couple rounds before they unleash more selling
616273;1397193603;akstunt600;only to go way way up
616274;1397193603;benkay;;;ticker
616275;1397193605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10005 @ 0.00096336 = 9.6384 BTC [+] {3} 
616276;1397193605;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.39, Best ask: 403.9, Bid-ask spread: 2.51000, Last trade: 403.9, 24 hour volume: 62871.29215596, 24 hour low: 339.79, 24 hour high: 420.28, 24 hour vwap: 387.817589484
616277;1397193613;benkay;haha
616278;1397193619;benkay;dis guy
616279;1397193625;benkay;u slay me minersdidit
616280;1397193630;minersdidit;benkay how did you turn into a shill
616281;1397193630;akstunt600;wow look at 420 again
616282;1397193634;akstunt600;;-)
616283;1397193640;benkay;dreams of decoupling
616284;1397193643;minersdidit;lol
616285;1397193646;akstunt600;minersdidit, kkills me lol
616286;1397193672;akstunt600;awwww gox took all your coins
616287;1397193672;benkay;a wage slave's fruitless fantasies
616288;1397193684;akstunt600;shouldnt have traded on amagic the gathering site bro
616289;1397193688;benkay;freedom and privacy
616290;1397193716;benkay;simple things.
616291;1397193721;minersdidit;people on here are expecting hyperinflation of the USD
616292;1397193730;benkay;tch yeah
616293;1397193731;minersdidit;well sorry to tell you but its going to be hyperdeflation
616294;1397193732;akstunt600;minersdidit, its here
616295;1397193738;benkay;let 'em
616296;1397193741;akstunt600;but artificail inflation rates mask it
616297;1397193746;akstunt600;;-)
616298;1397193749;benkay;who cares. hedge.
616299;1397193749;minersdidit;do they mask the oil price
616300;1397193756;minersdidit;which is 40% lower then 2008?
616301;1397193759;benkay;"oil", mostly, corn.
616302;1397193770;akstunt600;minersdidit, becaue we knock down and drug em out
616303;1397193773;minersdidit;all commodities are 30-60% below their respect highs from years ago
616304;1397193774;benkay;"rib eye" now chuck.
616305;1397193776;akstunt600;look a duhbai
616306;1397193781;akstunt600;you think they need more money
616307;1397193782;akstunt600;lol
616308;1397193786;akstunt600;they are saturated
616309;1397193796;akstunt600;its like your btc wet dream over there
616310;1397193800;akstunt600;;-)
616311;1397193801;minersdidit;akstunt600: inflation is currently occuring in student loans etc
616312;1397193807;minersdidit;its stagnant in everything else
616313;1397193812;akstunt600;BS
616314;1397193815;akstunt600;its masked
616315;1397193818;benkay;that's a credit thing too
616316;1397193820;benkay;wtf's going on there
616317;1397193821;akstunt600;like the mortagage crisis
616318;1397193823;minersdidit;look at commodity prices they are 30-60% below
616319;1397193827;benkay;how do i short that
616320;1397193838;benkay;who cares about commodities i want to short my own generation
616321;1397193843;minersdidit;benkay um yea. in credit money counterfeit credit expansion = inflation
616322;1397193843;akstunt600;hahahha good point benkay
616323;1397193852;minersdidit;you cant have inflation in the current system without expansion of loans
616324;1397193866;benkay;sure
616325;1397193879;benkay;i'm sure you count arbitrarily large deposits to private sector lenders loans.
616326;1397193885;minersdidit;akstunt600: the "inflation" you are talking about is in stuff for ultra rich, student loans shit like that
616327;1397193903;akstunt600;ultra rich?
616328;1397193904;akstunt600;lol
616329;1397193909;minersdidit;benkay: all money in existence is from loans. think about that. you need creditor and debtor participating for inflation
616330;1397193919;moiety;mew
616331;1397193922;minersdidit;akstunt600: yea stock market got pumped up
616332;1397193926;benkay;ey mo
616333;1397193928;akstunt600;yeah biig time
616334;1397193929;minersdidit;that benefited about 0.01%
616335;1397193942;akstunt600;yeah
616336;1397193944;minersdidit;so shit they buy also got pumped up ie high end jewellery, cars, ultra luxury homes
616337;1397193955;minersdidit;student loans are still getting pumped up so anyone in that is seeing it
616338;1397193955;akstunt600;and food
616339;1397193957;akstunt600;lol
616340;1397193959;minersdidit;but there is no general inflation dude
616341;1397193960;akstunt600;;-)
616342;1397193971;minersdidit;ppl that do shit with government
616343;1397193980;minersdidit;the credit system is on life support
616344;1397193986;akstunt600;yup
616345;1397193992;akstunt600;so how do we fix it?
616346;1397193994;akstunt600;again
616347;1397194007;moiety;;; later tell mircea_popescu thank you for the later tell re localbitcoins. hope you are well :)
616348;1397194007;gribble;The operation succeeded.
616349;1397194013;minersdidit;you cant its past the point
616350;1397194018;punkman;akstunt600: fix it with /ignore
616351;1397194023;akstunt600;hahahaha
616352;1397194033;moiety;hihi benkay how are you?
616353;1397194034;punkman;I'm just seeing your monologue now
616354;1397194041;akstunt600;minersdidit, exactly btc and alt to the rescue
616355;1397194049;akstunt600;hhhahahaha thanks punkman
616356;1397194054;benkay;we're experiencing a once-yearly event moiety
616357;1397194055;minersdidit;btc will go to single digits
616358;1397194065;akstunt600;yup
616359;1397194065;benkay;god i hope
616360;1397194072;akstunt600;just da one time
616361;1397194082;minersdidit;why would you hope for that
616362;1397194089;benkay;totally could happen
616363;1397194091;akstunt600;and the rode to recovery is already starting to form
616364;1397194098;akstunt600;road*
616365;1397194100;moiety;what's that benkay?
616366;1397194160;akstunt600;well im glad the pressure cooker dies out and this fall happened
616367;1397194161;benkay;this feller minersdidit is a fantastic character who comes around every now and again
616368;1397194163;akstunt600;this is fun
616369;1397194177;akstunt600;i have about 25k into btc and alts andd miners
616370;1397194180;minersdidit;benkay um i come in here once every 6months to laugh at mircea
616371;1397194182;akstunt600;i mean15****
616372;1397194190;benkay;precisely
616373;1397194190;akstunt600;and this is still fun to me
616374;1397194191;punkman;there's this cunt of a website I'm trying to borrow data from, I ask for derp.com/titsville it goes HA I KNOW YOU WANTED DERP.COM/FAT-HERPBURG INSTEAD. Cosmic rays? Someone fucking with me?
616375;1397194223;benkay;you totally fuck with channel orthodoxy. it's great.
616376;1397194224;moiety;why would you bother going to somone's own channel to do that minersdidit, you must have a gap in your own personal life at present?
616377;1397194225;akstunt600;lol punkman
616378;1397194236;akstunt600;i like it
616379;1397194240;akstunt600;good convo
616380;1397194243;minersdidit;moeity go back to the shithole your just crawled out of
616381;1397194243;akstunt600;lol
616382;1397194280;moiety;should i later tell moeity? i don't think she is here right now
616383;1397194295;minersdidit;and thats the joke
616384;1397194322;moiety;well, i wouldn't give up your day job for comedy, that's for sure
616385;1397194445;minersdidit;heysteve you get robbed today?
616386;1397194489;minersdidit;its a south african thing
616387;1397194492;benkay;no that was a few weeks ago
616388;1397194498;benkay;robbed by 0.9
616389;1397194501;minersdidit;lol
616390;1397194544;minersdidit;gavin needed to step down after that
616391;1397194555;benkay;just became a little too obvious
616392;1397194575;minersdidit;what did
616393;1397194592;benkay;the incompetence
616394;1397194599;benkay;rolling a known turd into bitcoin
616395;1397194610;minersdidit;becuase its tards from the dotcom bust dude
616396;1397194617;benkay;tell a nigga bout it
616397;1397194619;minersdidit;all these guys were in shitbag IT companies that failed
616398;1397194627;benkay;outta my face this is old news
616399;1397194633;minersdidit;they went unemployed for a decade until bitcoin pops on the scene
616400;1397194647;benkay;rank incompetence is the baseline in the space; so what?
616401;1397194658;benkay;incompetence, greed, malice.
616402;1397194666;benkay;that's all there is in bitcoin.
616403;1397194697;minersdidit;thats open source
616404;1397194704;benkay;heh
616405;1397194709;benkay;c'est possible
616406;1397194768;fluffypony;minersdidit
616407;1397194773;fluffypony;you just hit the proverbial nail on the head
616408;1397194775;bloctoc;I heard today that that Malaysian plane probably landed in Diego Garcia because it had secret stolen drone control center technology on board.
616409;1397194788;fluffypony;half of them are guys that were in the "Internet marketing" space
616410;1397194792;fluffypony;on Warrior Forum etc.
616411;1397194798;minersdidit;yea
616412;1397194805;minersdidit;its burn outs and shit like andreas antonopolous
616413;1397194817;benkay;that's asciilifeform's suggestion, fluffypony...
616414;1397194827;minersdidit;dude its losers.
616415;1397194837;minersdidit;bitcoin attracted them all
616416;1397194842;minersdidit;and were dealing with that
616417;1397194845;benkay;it sucks
616418;1397194848;benkay;i hate it
616419;1397194858;fluffypony;I mean don't get me wrong, I looked at the Internet marketing stuff ages ago because I wanted to know wtf was the deal
616420;1397194862;minersdidit;bitcoin foundation and co probably set crypto back 5 years minimum
616421;1397194877;minersdidit;it was easier to get bitcoin 2 years ago then 2014
616422;1397194877;benkay;but its great it gives me some breathing room to get something rolling
616423;1397194882;benkay;make friends with the big boys etc
616424;1397194884;fluffypony;but if you have 2 brain cells you realise it's a bunch of circlejerky morons that sell "ebooks" and "systems" on how to profit to each other
616425;1397194885;minersdidit;because these tards all went and attracted HEAPS of attention onto themselves
616426;1397194886;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59527979 BTC [+]
616427;1397194893;fluffypony;minersdidit: yep
616428;1397194895;akstunt600;ughh andreas
616429;1397194903;benkay;yeah, well, hopefully it languishes in the shitter for another decade
616430;1397194912;minersdidit;benkay big boys? you mean pornographer mircea popescu
616431;1397194913;minersdidit;lol
616432;1397194920;bloctoc;where did the locals go?
616433;1397194931;minersdidit;bitcoin has been scum from day 1
616434;1397194933;akstunt600;minersdidit, yourt totally right about btc foundation
616435;1397194937;minersdidit;but scum tend to have $$ as well
616436;1397194942;akstunt600;I feel they are incredibly tainted
616437;1397194943;benkay;eh, people in crypto
616438;1397194953;minersdidit;cryptos entire value is from cybercrime
616439;1397194955;benkay;mp wouldn't stoop to my level, are you kidding?
616440;1397194959;minersdidit;its not nerds buying lattes
616441;1397194961;minersdidit;or africans lol
616442;1397195007;fluffypony;minersdidit I'm also South African
616443;1397195008;Mats_cd03;Ahahaha lol who are these guys
616444;1397195021;fluffypony;had this argument with that lady who's "bringing Bitcoin to Botswana"
616445;1397195023;benkay;wb Mats_cd03
616446;1397195025;fluffypony;I was like "wtf"
616447;1397195041;benkay;all of these people lack the imagination to use bitcoin for any purpose
616448;1397195041;Mats_cd03;akstunt600 and minersdidit kekeke
616449;1397195043;moiety;hey Mats_cd03
616450;1397195055;benkay;the only thing they can encompass is educating others about something
616451;1397195058;benkay;"hey look a shiny!"
616452;1397195064;benkay;"what do we do with it?"
616453;1397195072;benkay;"iono, tell everyone?
616454;1397195073;*;akstunt600 waves to Mats_cd03
616455;1397195097;akstunt600;omfgi here it has magnets too
616456;1397195131;akstunt600;the pie is a lie?
616457;1397195152;minersdidit;lol fluffypony
616458;1397195160;*;akstunt600 looks for pie
616459;1397195162;benkay;;;seen tg2
616460;1397195162;gribble;tg2 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 23 hours, 44 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <tg2> like strong understanding of assembly
616461;1397195164;minersdidit;south africa would have been paradise on earth if the blacks didnt invade
616462;1397195177;fluffypony;minersdidit: well to be fair we did invade their land first :-P
616463;1397195188;minersdidit;thats bullshit
616464;1397195193;akstunt600;heh but we gave the liberia
616465;1397195196;minersdidit;there was nobody in south africa during those times
616466;1397195196;akstunt600;LOLOLOLOLOL
616467;1397195212;minersdidit;they came from different parts after the place was prospering
616468;1397195221;minersdidit;boers and shit built that place from scratch
616469;1397195235;minersdidit;british came and wrecked it for the gold
616470;1397195263;fluffypony;yeah
616471;1397195286;fluffypony;still a beautiful country
616472;1397195290;fluffypony;glad I live here
616473;1397195291;minersdidit;agreed
616474;1397195302;minersdidit;well no i wouldnt be glad about that
616475;1397195308;minersdidit;the nature is nice
616476;1397195308;akstunt600;die antword rocks btw
616477;1397195324;fluffypony;akstunt600: no they don't
616478;1397195328;akstunt600;hahhahha
616479;1397195338;akstunt600;i like the one when they are in wheel chairs
616480;1397195339;fluffypony;akstunt600: seriously, a lot of Saffers hate them
616481;1397195342;minersdidit;blacks had it better when the whites ran the place
616482;1397195345;minersdidit;even they will admit it
616483;1397195345;akstunt600;hmmm interesting
616484;1397195358;minersdidit;highest paid black earners were in south africa
616485;1397195363;akstunt600;^
616486;1397195364;akstunt600;fact
616487;1397195373;minersdidit;its true on the continent
616488;1397195379;minersdidit;blacks are poorer today in south africa then ever
616489;1397195380;MisterE;lol relentless
616490;1397195391;MisterE;minersdidit: I think you need to assess your objective here
616491;1397195398;MisterE;what do you want to achieve today?
616492;1397195400;minersdidit;go back to your hole
616493;1397195401;akstunt600;yeah which is?
616494;1397195409;minersdidit;bunch of scumbags in here tonight
616495;1397195424;minersdidit;not like that isnt the usual case lol
616496;1397195426;*;akstunt600 is a scumbag?
616497;1397195431;MisterE;lol typical troll behavior to take the victim's role
616498;1397195431;minersdidit;nah your alright
616499;1397195438;MisterE;we've now come full circle
616500;1397195445;akstunt600;awwe shucks thanks
616501;1397195448;minersdidit;couple guys in here are misinformed and poor but alright
616502;1397195454;minersdidit;ie benkay
616503;1397195485;bloctoc;I feel like my favorite television show got cancelled to show a presidential debate
616504;1397195499;akstunt600;hahahhahaha
616505;1397195503;akstunt600;sorry
616506;1397195529;benkay;so poor
616507;1397195533;benkay;so misinformed
616508;1397195537;MisterE;minersdidit: he called you a presidential candidate that is a fucking low blow man
616509;1397195541;MisterE;you gonna take that shit?
616510;1397195545;benkay;my fate to labor under the fog of illusion and never save a dime
616511;1397195554;minersdidit;bitcoin wont be able to get off the ground until the entire dev team is gone
616512;1397195565;benkay;look at the conformal stuff, man
616513;1397195567;MisterE;benkay: good hampster runs the wheel long time
616514;1397195570;minersdidit;until then it will be just another pump and dump
616515;1397195588;benkay;it's not dev team, it's hairball
616516;1397195590;minersdidit;gavin should have resigned after the fork
616517;1397195591;fluffypony;I thought it was a ponzi scheme?
616518;1397195603;minersdidit;in 2013
616519;1397195616;akstunt600;minersdidit, Who needs devs anyway
616520;1397195619;akstunt600;rotten sum
616521;1397195622;akstunt600;scum*
616522;1397195628;MisterE;yea scammers
616523;1397195633;minersdidit;you need them because people naturally form heirarchies
616524;1397195633;MisterE;coding backdoors
616525;1397195644;minersdidit;only tards think everything is "decentralized"
616526;1397195645;minersdidit;in real life
616527;1397195651;akstunt600;srsly did nothing for us but robbed us blind, how could i have been so foolish
616528;1397195665;minersdidit;the current dev team set bitcoin back a decade at least
616529;1397195665;fluffypony;we should just go back to the original client
616530;1397195673;akstunt600;yeah
616531;1397195675;akstunt600;cli or die
616532;1397195679;akstunt600;;-)
616533;1397195680;MisterE;back to cli
616534;1397195686;minersdidit;dude they havent done any development is the problem
616535;1397195689;minersdidit;its totally stagnant
616536;1397195703;MisterE;what features have you requested?
616537;1397195704;minersdidit;couple hacks here and there
616538;1397195704;akstunt600;like yeat getm is nothing
616539;1397195711;MisterE;what patched have you submitted?
616540;1397195713;minersdidit;5 years on?
616541;1397195716;akstunt600;nothingbut smoke and mirrors
616542;1397195717;minersdidit;wheres multi sig?
616543;1397195731;minersdidit;how many more errors will we be exposed too
616544;1397195733;akstunt600;you mean getm stuff from bitcore?
616545;1397195734;benkay;multi sig's a thing, give it a rest
616546;1397195746;akstunt600;it works brah
616547;1397195747;akstunt600;lol
616548;1397195749;benkay;it's also totally irrelevant
616549;1397195751;minersdidit;5 years in and all theyve done is renamed themselves
616550;1397195754;akstunt600;cosign is out ni beta
616551;1397195757;akstunt600;and on github
616552;1397195760;minersdidit;Bitcoin Core lol
616553;1397195766;MisterE;what needs to be done answer the fuckign wquestion!
616554;1397195768;benkay;imma cry
616555;1397195775;benkay;so twoo
616556;1397195790;minersdidit;MisterE you know every shill says the same thing. everytime a critic brings up anything about BTC they say oh what have you done
616557;1397195794;minersdidit;typical strawman arguement pal
616558;1397195801;minersdidit;you aren't adressing the problems at hand
616559;1397195802;benkay;but hey shut up and read the conformal btcd source, minersdidit
616560;1397195807;MisterE;what do you see that needs to be done?
616561;1397195808;minersdidit;lol
616562;1397195813;MisterE;you dont even have ideas
616563;1397195823;benkay;it's so well documented even you could get through it
616564;1397195824;MisterE;you're just complaining and trolling
616565;1397195828;akstunt600;and we keep asking for input
616566;1397195830;MisterE;heh
616567;1397195830;minersdidit;resignation and closure of bitcoin foundation and ALL devs
616568;1397195833;akstunt600;shiti i can code it up
616569;1397195835;akstunt600;;-)
616570;1397195840;moiety;crying shill =/= answers
616571;1397195842;akstunt600;just drop some bombs on us
616572;1397195844;MisterE;this dude is like a US republican
616573;1397195852;akstunt600;yup
616574;1397195859;MisterE;got no ideas of his own only knows for sure that *all* of yours suck
616575;1397195860;benkay;i need more truth bombs, and better ones, minersdidit
616576;1397195861;minersdidit;MisterE bitcoins problems arent technical they are people problems
616577;1397195869;minersdidit;when you look at the bitcoin foundation you want to puke
616578;1397195873;minersdidit;so you stay away from the space
616579;1397195895;benkay;what else to do but hang out with the pornographers!
616580;1397195895;minersdidit;bitcoin attracted the worst scum of the cesspool known as the internet
616581;1397195915;bloctoc;minersdidit algorithms don't have people problems, ever
616582;1397195921;MisterE;in the grand history of the digital crypto currency era BTC foundation will not even be a fart in the wind
616583;1397195921;akstunt600;damn where do you even find trolls this good
616584;1397195934;MisterE;just like Gox is already forgotten
616585;1397195939;minersdidit;2 years ago you could buy bitinstant in any walmart
616586;1397195942;MisterE;and Vicurex who?
616587;1397195945;minersdidit;err bitcoins via bitinstant
616588;1397195949;benkay;normally in the cesspool of the internet, akstunt600
616589;1397195952;akstunt600;this makes trollbox look like a jok
616590;1397195954;benkay;remember?
616591;1397195957;minersdidit;today you need to wait 7 days from fucking coinbase lol
616592;1397195960;benkay;those were the days.
616593;1397195960;akstunt600;hahhahah benkay
616594;1397195962;benkay;cash in hand to an atm.
616595;1397195973;benkay;well, basically an atm. walmart.
616596;1397195979;akstunt600;minersdidit, you mean 2
616597;1397195983;benkay;btc is no go in the usa.
616598;1397195984;akstunt600;it takes 2 days
616599;1397195990;akstunt600;even if your poor as fuck
616600;1397195993;akstunt600;;-)
616601;1397195997;minersdidit;yea from 5minutes
616602;1397195998;MisterE;ACH transfer 2 days
616603;1397196003;benkay;and the government knows how much you bought
616604;1397196012;akstunt600;yup
616605;1397196015;minersdidit;yea you have to submit ID even for 100 dollar purchases
616606;1397196021;minersdidit;for a none monetary instrument
616607;1397196027;akstunt600;or use localbitcoins
616608;1397196029;danielpbarron;coinbase sketches me out
616609;1397196030;benkay;retarded.
616610;1397196031;minersdidit;bitcoin foundation lobby was sucessful
616611;1397196042;benkay;oh this is their work?
616612;1397196048;akstunt600;hahahhahaha
616613;1397196052;MisterE;danielpbarron: BOA would not let coinbase use their verification if they weren't trustworthy
616614;1397196064;danielpbarron;boa sketches me out
616615;1397196065;minersdidit;gavin derived his salary to feed his family even though he had tens of millions on BTC
616616;1397196069;benkay;oh god MisterE you have no idea
616617;1397196069;minersdidit;from the scamdation
616618;1397196070;MisterE;lol fair point
616619;1397196073;minersdidit;yep no conflict of interest there
616620;1397196098;benkay;you and mp agree on a thing. go make out.
616621;1397196101;fluffypony;minersdidit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogfhIAXmdEU
616622;1397196171;minersdidit;HeySteve why do you prefer south africa anyway
616623;1397197198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00096266 = 10.3005 BTC [-] {2} 
616624;1397197833;Mats_cd03;hi moiety howru
616625;1397198089;moiety;not too bad Mats_cd03 another year older since i've been away. How's life treating you?
616626;1397198174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3493 @ 0.00096102 = 3.3568 BTC [-]
616627;1397198340;fluffypony;heh
616628;1397198358;fluffypony;I've been testing a lot of my devices on my local network for heartbleed
616629;1397198366;fluffypony;like my printers/security cameras etc.
616630;1397198375;fluffypony;little D-Link NAS is safe
616631;1397198407;steven-__;nothing is safe
616632;1397198462;fluffypony;steven-__: I mean it's not heartbleed vulnerable
616633;1397198479;fluffypony;same with the IP cams
616634;1397198494;akstunt600;nobody expects the spanish Inquisition
616635;1397198497;akstunt600;lololol
616636;1397198513;akstunt600;wow mpex is uhh very interesting
616637;1397198516;fluffypony;akstunt600: our weapons are supplies...our CHIEF weapons are supplies
616638;1397198535;fluffypony;and fear
616639;1397198551;akstunt600;hehe
616640;1397198559;*;fluffypony needs more coffee
616641;1397198562;fluffypony;and Provigil
616642;1397198564;fluffypony;one of those days
616643;1397198594;akstunt600;suprise
616644;1397198624;fluffypony;akstunt600: I know, I was being punny
616645;1397198632;akstunt600;hehheheh
616646;1397198656;akstunt600;fluffypony, are u a narco?
616647;1397198665;fluffypony;akstunt600: no
616648;1397198682;fluffypony;off-label use
616649;1397198697;akstunt600;ahhh nice
616650;1397198707;akstunt600;i know someone who takes that
616651;1397198718;fluffypony;yeah it's surprisingly good
616652;1397198723;akstunt600;he like will just like fall asleep in chat
616653;1397198736;fluffypony;shame it's rough
616654;1397198744;akstunt600;hmm Im not much for drugs anymore
616655;1397198750;akstunt600;I smoke every now and then
616656;1397198759;akstunt600;or take kratom like once in a blue moon
616657;1397198777;fluffypony;I've never been a fan, I don't like stuff that mucks with my brain (in a negative way)
616658;1397198796;fluffypony;like the Provigil is nice to keep me productive and alert during the day
616659;1397198803;fluffypony;but some of the nootropics guys are insane
616660;1397198815;fluffypony;with their "stacking"
616661;1397198816;akstunt600;sometimes im extremely good on kratom sometimes
616662;1397198826;akstunt600;liek up all night working on pet projects
616663;1397198826;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/nootropics
616664;1397198845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00096381 = 2.6505 BTC [+]
616665;1397198869;akstunt600;whoa thats cool
616666;1397198888;akstunt600;marjuana has some neurogensis capabilities
616667;1397198892;akstunt600;but that is next elevel
616668;1397198897;akstunt600;level*
616669;1397198911;fluffypony;yeah I don't dig the downsides of stuff like that
616670;1397198963;akstunt600;hmm I have adhd
616671;1397198977;*;akstunt600 ponders noottropics
616672;1397198992;fluffypony;some of the stuff could work well for you
616673;1397199000;akstunt600;fluffypony, depnding on the type of MJ i  hate it you know
616674;1397199013;akstunt600;some strains compliment me well
616675;1397199034;*;akstunt600 id deeply interested
616676;1397199037;akstunt600;is*
616677;1397199046;akstunt600;i think i may have to try this
616678;1397199064;*;akstunt600 was diagnosed ADHD ata young age
616679;1397199068;fluffypony;when I was discussing Provigil with my doctor he actually suggested Ritalin
616680;1397199081;akstunt600;Yeah I was on ritalin at a young age
616681;1397199081;fluffypony;but I think that would have had the wrong affect on me
616682;1397199087;akstunt600;it did for me
616683;1397199092;akstunt600;so did adderal
616684;1397199120;fluffypony;when I was 20 I taught origami and piano to kids with heavy bipolar/add/adhd/schizophrenia
616685;1397199125;fluffypony;at a college for them
616686;1397199149;fluffypony;was actually an amazing experience overall, but frustrating (the paranoid schizophrenic kids)
616687;1397199149;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
616688;1397199189;MisterE;fuck have we returned to regular scheduled programming?
616689;1397199200;akstunt600;lol
616690;1397199203;MisterE;looks rather non-trollish
616691;1397199207;moiety;patience + time = a lot of win in those situations fluffypony
616692;1397199214;akstunt600;yup
616693;1397199221;fluffypony;moiety: yeah
616694;1397199229;akstunt600;i have developed quite the patience working with computers
616695;1397199233;fluffypony;had a kid that spent an entire lesson insisting he was god and was going to make it rain
616696;1397199236;*;akstunt600 is linux only guy
616697;1397199239;MisterE;send all your extra adderal and rittlan to me!
616698;1397199247;fluffypony;and then at the end saying "well I didn't want to do it anyway"
616699;1397199249;MisterE;I have exams coming up
616700;1397199251;akstunt600;owow fluffypony
616701;1397199282;*;moiety shrugs, it happens
616702;1397199282;akstunt600;MisterE, I dont use it or condone adderal
616703;1397199286;akstunt600;i dont even drink
616704;1397199300;akstunt600;i just smoke weed every now and then
616705;1397199302;MisterE;I dont drink either
616706;1397199306;MisterE;I only smoke weed
616707;1397199308;MisterE;daily
616708;1397199309;akstunt600;and maybe soon nootropics
616709;1397199319;moiety;the most fristrating is learning disabilites + mental health disorders and communication is even unclearer
616710;1397199319;MisterE;oh and some molly sometimes
616711;1397199324;akstunt600;Im more of a 3-5 times a week
616712;1397199328;fluffypony;moiety: yeah I can imagine
616713;1397199333;MisterE;unclearerist
616714;1397199338;MisterE;:p
616715;1397199341;akstunt600;hhahaha
616716;1397199349;fluffypony;well learning patience was good training for dealing with my wife;)
616717;1397199353;moiety;unclearaging
616718;1397199360;MisterE;I only tease moiety because he's a jock
616719;1397199361;akstunt600;hhhahahahha me too fluffypony
616720;1397199368;MisterE;moiety: how do you pronounce your name?
616721;1397199376;moiety;moy - ity
616722;1397199383;MisterE;I had a jock friend named Ruridrah, guess how you pronounce that fucker?
616723;1397199388;MisterE;ok thats normal
616724;1397199393;moiety;however you like really, i come to most things
616725;1397199397;MisterE;this guy's name was "Ruru"
616726;1397199404;MisterE;Rury*
616727;1397199423;moiety;Rory?
616728;1397199433;fluffypony;I have an Irish friend whose name is Ruari
616729;1397199433;MisterE;dunno how you could ever get something that sounds like Rury from Ruridrah\
616730;1397199435;fluffypony;pronounced Rory
616731;1397199438;MisterE;oh?
616732;1397199440;moiety;aye
616733;1397199453;moiety;sounds kinda more irish to me btw
616734;1397199464;MisterE;I wish I had climed Nevis when I was young and hard
616735;1397199478;MisterE;no this dude was straight up jock man
616736;1397199491;MisterE;no irish afaik
616737;1397199493;moiety;like Caoimhe  is pronounced Keeva
616738;1397199504;MisterE;what the??
616739;1397199508;moiety;aye
616740;1397199514;moiety;there's plenty names like that dude
616741;1397199518;MisterE;keeva sounds like slang for a drug
616742;1397199526;moiety;its not english, its gaelic
616743;1397199531;MisterE;ahh ok
616744;1397199550;fluffypony;wow moiety, that would not have been my first guess at pronounciation
616745;1397199586;MisterE;of all the Northern accents the one that kills me the most is Welsh
616746;1397199588;moiety;haha theres loads, Caoimhe is irish gaelic
616747;1397199593;MisterE;those dudes I dunno WTF they are saying
616748;1397199593;fluffypony;akstunt600: http://i.imgur.com/jrWdeMM.jpg
616749;1397199597;moiety;welsh is south to me :P
616750;1397199602;MisterE;yea heh
616751;1397199607;MisterE;I'm at the equator
616752;1397199612;akstunt600;lol
616753;1397199627;moiety;they have incredibly long townnames, the welsh. i find their accent pretty humourous
616754;1397199635;MisterE;me too
616755;1397199647;Mats_cd03;moiety: preparing for a move out to a boston suburb, gonna be out there for a few months before i go to s. korea
616756;1397199649;MisterE;brits have some Hello Kitty like town names eh?
616757;1397199662;MisterE;something you'd expect a village of hobbits to be named
616758;1397199667;Mats_cd03;giving away most of my shit and hiding the rest in friends garages :P
616759;1397199671;fluffypony;all this talk makes me want to do a tour of Ireland
616760;1397199678;MisterE;Mats_cd03: I love that feeling
616761;1397199683;MisterE;dumping off all the baggage
616762;1397199683;moiety;Mats_cd03: I'm learning korean! where are you off to?
616763;1397199694;MisterE;korean is fscking hard!
616764;1397199701;Mats_cd03;dunno really
616765;1397199713;moiety;MisterE: the town where i grew up mostly, is where peter pan originated so....
616766;1397199716;MisterE;Boston, where they paaark the caaar, at the paaarty
616767;1397199718;Mats_cd03;i'm on civ-mil orders so i find out when i arrive i believe
616768;1397199732;Mats_cd03;(dirty gi here)
616769;1397199743;akstunt600;lol
616770;1397199746;fluffypony;lol
616771;1397199751;MisterE;merc :p
616772;1397199776;Mats_cd03;i went to a barber shop last time expecting a haircut
616773;1397199792;moiety;MisterE: korean is piss easy. the kind rewrote it in the 14th century because he wanted it to be easier to learn (less illiterates). Its based all around the shape your mouth and throat make to make the sounds of each syllable. also, man, earth etc
616774;1397199793;fluffypony;pahk the cah in Baaahstin
616775;1397199796;Mats_cd03;that didn't happen
616776;1397199800;moiety;King**
616777;1397199808;Mats_cd03;yeah learning the korean alphabet is easy
616778;1397199810;MisterE;interesting
616779;1397199821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05289729 = 0.1058 BTC [+] {2} 
616780;1397199825;Mats_cd03;its popularly known as something you can learn in a day - reading and writing, anyway
616781;1397199835;*;akstunt600 wants to travel
616782;1397199841;MisterE;but I will always be waygookin
616783;1397199844;Mats_cd03;speaking and comprehension is another story... korean is a stupid language
616784;1397199844;moiety;yep... its remembering where everything is on the keyboard i have trouble with XD
616785;1397199845;akstunt600;i have only been to a fee countries
616786;1397199849;MisterE;so not much fun
616787;1397199853;akstunt600;but seen all 50 states
616788;1397199856;Mats_cd03;yeah koreans are horrible
616789;1397199856;MisterE;Mats_cd03: what they call you?
616790;1397199863;MisterE;rucking xenophobes
616791;1397199872;Mats_cd03;i dunno
616792;1397199876;akstunt600;ok all im out
616793;1397199879;akstunt600;sleep and such
616794;1397199882;akstunt600;peace
616795;1397199886;MisterE;nn ak
616796;1397199905;Mats_cd03;koreans are lucky to be industrialized enough to be douchebags in asia
616797;1397199906;moiety;there are also very little dialect type variations in korea. its pretty homogenous. In japanese, you have four levels of politeness. oldest gen cant reall understand the youngest gen. as with thailand, place to place. people from bangkok can't always understand the rural people
616798;1397199920;Mats_cd03;the us lifted them out of sheer poverty and created a democratic society for them
616799;1397199931;BingoBoingo;.d
616800;1397199931;ozbot;6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1140 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.8860% in 7d 14h 28m 33s
616801;1397199932;MisterE;if it weren't for ther war they would be another third rate shithole like Laos
616802;1397199934;Mats_cd03;koreans didnt have class structures, wealth, or religious beliefs
616803;1397199938;MisterE;or maybe Vietnam
616804;1397199951;MisterE;harsh but true
616805;1397199957;Mats_cd03;they were in a unique period of time and benefited from american protectionism... now they're the favorite child of asia
616806;1397199960;MisterE;and what up with the Japanese hate
616807;1397199967;MisterE;they are so similar yet so much hate
616808;1397199968;moiety;yes they did. they are very structured
616809;1397200001;Mats_cd03;my understanding is the entire society didnt have classes
616810;1397200007;moiety;they are also pretty religious. though have shifted from mainly buddhist to mainly christian thesedays
616811;1397200013;MisterE;yea into the haves and will never haves
616812;1397200013;Mats_cd03;in the way we use the word today to refer to socialism, etc...
616813;1397200014;MisterE;heh
616814;1397200020;moiety;i believe different re classes
616815;1397200023;Mats_cd03;yes they are now supremely christian thanks to murican missionaries
616816;1397200031;MisterE;that sucks balls
616817;1397200043;Mats_cd03;the jp hate is warranted, but im also ethnic han
616818;1397200053;MisterE;I mean I like that Jesus dude but Christians are assholes
616819;1397200055;Mats_cd03;to this day the .jp govt denies or downplays the events of ww2
616820;1397200055;moiety;but more so, its focus is on age. the older you are the higher up you are
616821;1397200069;moiety;like, your boss can beat you np
616822;1397200074;Mats_cd03;serious victimhood play acting going on and it pisses chinese nationals off
616823;1397200078;MisterE;oh that ww2 resentment will never die
616824;1397200089;Mats_cd03;e.g. denying nanjing happened, or pretending like 20k people died total
616825;1397200092;MisterE;thats not the first time jpas come barreling into china raping and pillaging
616826;1397200100;MisterE;happened a lot previous to ww2
616827;1397200108;Mats_cd03;and they were all just, you know, shot in the head, instead of having mothers heads cut off and then forcing siblings to fuck each other, etc
616828;1397200124;Mats_cd03;it was relatively rare if you are a student of chinese history
616829;1397200126;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00584227 = 0.4382 BTC [+] {2} 
616830;1397200139;moiety;;; later tell nubbins` quick question, have you seen Taegukgi?
616831;1397200140;gribble;The operation succeeded.
616832;1397200150;Mats_cd03;happened... just once before, because the brits gave .jp firearms
616833;1397200168;Mats_cd03;otherwise china has been the big brother in the relationship for most of its existence
616834;1397200172;MisterE;no going back centuries japanese were raiding manchuria iirc
616835;1397200175;moiety;;; later tell nubbins` or May 18 for that matter?
616836;1397200175;gribble;The operation succeeded.
616837;1397200177;Mats_cd03;jp culture derives heavily from chinese customs, for one
616838;1397200184;MisterE;yes
616839;1397200187;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05263897 = 0.2106 BTC [-]
616840;1397200195;moiety;BingoBoingo: hihi
616841;1397200201;MisterE;hi
616842;1397200203;BingoBoingo;hi moiety
616843;1397200211;Mats_cd03;moiety: yeah lol. the violence is absurd
616844;1397200213;MisterE;BingoBoingo fan club
616845;1397200221;Mats_cd03;a peer of mine did a stint in the korean forces
616846;1397200235;Mats_cd03;he claimed 2000 conscripts a year ended up dead
616847;1397200244;Mats_cd03;due to abuse by superiors and the like
616848;1397200250;MisterE;what now?
616849;1397200254;MisterE;what violence?
616850;1397200266;Mats_cd03;koreans are incredibly belligerent
616851;1397200270;moiety;BingoBoingo: do we get a badge for this club? ;P how are you?
616852;1397200284;Mats_cd03;and the way the hierarchy is setup, superiors are essentially allowed to abuse subordinates
616853;1397200291;MisterE;Mats_cd03: I've had a lot of problems with drunk Korean men pickign fights with me
616854;1397200294;Mats_cd03;e.g. physical beatings as corrective action
616855;1397200296;BingoBoingo;I'm good, moiety Maybe set a bounty for one of your doders to make one?
616856;1397200307;Mats_cd03;the belligerence is literally part of their culture
616857;1397200321;moiety;MisterE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_18_%28film%29
616858;1397200346;moiety;BingoBoingo: i could always stamp some.....
616859;1397200358;BingoBoingo;moiety: You could indeed
616860;1397200392;BingoBoingo;moiety: You ever make that new site?
616861;1397200399;Mats_cd03;anyway, to reiterate, the border conflicts was one thing (re: manchuria)
616862;1397200402;BingoBoingo;for manuls?
616863;1397200415;Mats_cd03;japan has rarely been in a position to threaten china proper
616864;1397200426;MisterE;I started carrying a shillelagh of sorts in Iatewan
616865;1397200436;MisterE;never used it thank god
616866;1397200451;Mats_cd03;china has dealt with border issues since time immemorial
616867;1397200456;MisterE;Being US in Korea is extra harsh
616868;1397200465;MisterE;yea so has Russia
616869;1397200471;moiety;BingoBoingo: i had to take some time out, everything went on hold. // your badge turns out quite long http://i.imgur.com/Kt188e4.png
616870;1397200472;MisterE;thats why I wish US would back the fuck off
616871;1397200480;Mats_cd03;lol and nobody wants to live in russia
616872;1397200485;MisterE;heh
616873;1397200490;BingoBoingo;lol
616874;1397200494;MisterE;lol
616875;1397200502;MisterE;moiety: fine work!
616876;1397200539;moiety;:D i like binary
616877;1397200552;MisterE;Mats_cd03: is Memories of Murder 2003 any good?
616878;1397200582;moiety;BingoBoingo: i think i would get tired doing those
616879;1397200585;Mats_cd03;idk ive never seen it
616880;1397200602;MisterE;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0800341/
616881;1397200603;ozbot;Hwa-ryeo-han-hyoo-ga (2007) - IMDb
616882;1397200603;Mats_cd03;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Raid:_Redemption watch that
616883;1397200604;ozbot;The Raid: Redemption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
616884;1397200644;MisterE;pencak silat intersting
616885;1397200651;MisterE;never heard of it
616886;1397200656;moiety;BingoBoingo: i also cant get my domain just now. a roof is taking priority, you know?
616887;1397200668;BingoBoingo;Ah yeah
616888;1397200668;MisterE;I'm Bangkok based usually Mats_cd03
616889;1397200689;moiety;considering throwing it on the mc domain though
616890;1397200707;fluffypony;moiety: I'll buy you a domain
616891;1397200713;*;moiety discovered cowsay - lots of time wasted
616892;1397200715;Mats_cd03;hows the weather this time of year
616893;1397200736;moiety;fluffypony: o.o very kind but why would you do that?
616894;1397200752;fluffypony;moiety: I have funds sitting in my NameCheap account, might as well use them
616895;1397200760;fluffypony;besides, I always start a project by buying the domain, lol
616896;1397200783;fluffypony;http://xkcd.com/1354/
616897;1397200784;ozbot;xkcd: Heartbleed Explanation
616898;1397200788;moiety;oh this is a purely useless endeavour, i cant even call it a project XD i just like manuls
616899;1397200797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.0009629 = 5.296 BTC [-]
616900;1397200802;fluffypony;moiety: pm me the details and I'll hook it up
616901;1397200856;Mats_cd03;pretty good layman's explanation
616902;1397200868;fluffypony;Mats_cd03: yeah I thought so
616903;1397200889;moiety;lol @ xkcd, thanks fluffypony it's ok though, it's a .ae i had my eye on.
616904;1397200905;moiety;is fantasticfelinae too long do you think?
616905;1397200920;moiety;its really all thats left for .usuals
616906;1397200981;Mats_cd03;;;later tell asciilifeform got free time? https://microcorruption.com memory corruption CTF
616907;1397200981;gribble;The operation succeeded.
616908;1397201074;moiety;i have also adopted css into my life, gosh that saves a whole bunch of time
616909;1397201111;Mats_cd03;MisterE: if you like The Departed and .hk cinema, Infernal Affairs is worth watching; it is the movie that inspired Scorsese
616910;1397201119;moiety;Mats_cd03: nooo, don't fill his free time. I need manuls and lasers in that free time
616911;1397201179;BingoBoingo;;;laserkittens
616912;1397201180;gribble;ุ �˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌� ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
616913;1397201181;Mats_cd03;ascii is a programmer as well as a purveyor of cats and lasers?
616914;1397201189;Mats_cd03;much range
616915;1397201189;minersdidit;any votes on who should be the next developer to step down?
616916;1397201191;moiety;win felin.ae is still avail
616917;1397201200;moiety;holy shit when did gribble start doing that?!?!
616918;1397201210;moiety;gribble: i love you
616919;1397201210;fluffypony;moiety: since it became sentient
616920;1397201231;fluffypony;nanotube merged his consciousness with gribble in January
616921;1397201242;BingoBoingo;minersdidit: DOes it really matter. They are kind of walled off in the ghetto anyways. Just give them plenty of bicycles to steal and they won't have time to fuck shit up anymore.
616922;1397201249;moiety;BingoBoingo: how have i missed this? are yous worried thats all i do?!
616923;1397201256;moiety;i will*
616924;1397201279;BingoBoingo;moiety: I'm not too worried
616925;1397201291;moiety;Mats_cd03: he has a laser all to himself! and he introduced me to manuls
616926;1397201303;moiety;does anything worry you BingoBoingo?
616927;1397201318;BingoBoingo;moiety: Because bottles get empty
616928;1397201337;moiety;:D this is when chess needs to be played
616929;1397201374;BingoBoingo;OH, I've got to get some blags wrote atm
616930;1397201382;BingoBoingo;finally caught up the lags
616931;1397201425;moiety;i'll check the record for new things soon then!
616932;1397201439;Mats_cd03;anyone want to play a blitz round
616933;1397201446;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/lolojones/statuses/454405650647228416
616934;1397201447;ozbot;Twitter / lolojones: It's amazing that Drake is ...
616935;1397201447;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
616936;1397201467;Mats_cd03;http://lichess.org/664yubqs
616937;1397201478;fluffypony;Mats_cd03: I'm on
616938;1397201479;BingoBoingo;Mats_cd03: WHen truffles is around he is usually into the blitx stuff
616939;1397201569;moiety;Mats_cd03: I can only play BingoBoingo for now, he's rather forgiving for my being a learner
616940;1397201585;BingoBoingo;moiety: Give Mats_cd03 a play
616941;1397201645;moiety;they are playing really fast!
616942;1397201647;Mats_cd03;fucking drake lol
616943;1397201659;Mats_cd03;i cant believe some guy that got his start in degrassi
616944;1397201663;Mats_cd03;in a wheelchair
616945;1397201665;Mats_cd03;who is a canadian jew
616946;1397201669;Mats_cd03;got into rap
616947;1397201716;BingoBoingo;The world is weird
616948;1397201724;moiety;they all kinda blend into one person for me
616949;1397201726;Mats_cd03;started from the bottom indeed
616950;1397201819;cazalla;degrassi isn't degassi unless it's old school zit remedy degrassi
616951;1397201895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7487 @ 0.00096255 = 7.2066 BTC [-]
616952;1397201911;moiety;http://imgur.com/gallery/NA5fWjA would a bear/felinae site be a little strange?!
616953;1397201911;ozbot;He wanted to go dressed as a bear. - Imgur
616954;1397201999;MisterE;Mats_cd03: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338564/ ??
616955;1397202044;moiety;my gosh you guys have already stolen lots of each others bits o.o
616956;1397202048;fluffypony;lol
616957;1397202073;MisterE;If I could get all the bits back this channel has stolen I'd be rich!
616958;1397202080;moiety;BingoBoingo was going away and doing things while i made a move lol
616959;1397202109;Mats_cd03;yeah MisterE
616960;1397202111;BingoBoingo;ah
616961;1397202151;moiety;whats the collective term for all the chess people bits? just, pieces?
616962;1397202183;danielpbarron;set?
616963;1397202192;moiety;just the people not the board too
616964;1397202224;moiety;aaaaaaand this is why you don't play me at chess
616965;1397202235;danielpbarron;chess set noun 1. a chessboard and a set of chessmen.
616966;1397202254;moiety;chessmen... poor queenie
616967;1397202255;danielpbarron;i believe that's called checkmate
616968;1397202283;moiety;she seems to be the only one i can do any damage with
616969;1397202314;Mats_cd03;read a book
616970;1397202350;moiety;things are better retained through action
616971;1397202386;moiety;except castling... that shit is never going in, i fear
616972;1397202589;fluffypony;nice game Mats_cd03
616973;1397202605;Mats_cd03;heh i need practice
616974;1397202614;fluffypony;yeah also
616975;1397202618;Mats_cd03;you did well though
616976;1397202618;fluffypony;that timer freaks me out
616977;1397202634;fluffypony;when I was at 45s left I started panic moving
616978;1397202652;Mats_cd03;haha yeah blitz is hard like that
616979;1397202667;Mats_cd03;takes experience to know how to react to openings quickly
616980;1397202676;fluffypony;yeah
616981;1397202684;fluffypony;must definitely play again
616982;1397202714;Mats_cd03;sleepy time; night everyone
616983;1397202727;fluffypony;night
616984;1397202871;moiety;night Mats_cd03 :) sleep well
616985;1397203081;moiety;my mouse is having a stroke, need a restart o.o
616986;1397203534;minersdidit;good riddance
616987;1397203543;minersdidit;guy was annoying
616988;1397203612;minersdidit;M ats_cd03: the nigger jew you were asking about is drake
616989;1397203655;minersdidit;lmao @ mpex shares still trading
616990;1397203661;minersdidit;who is seriously buying that shit
616991;1397204054;moiety;o.o ok
616992;1397205189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6020 @ 0.00096255 = 5.7946 BTC [-]
616993;1397205207;Namworld;[04:07] <minersdidit> lmao @ mpex shares still trading
616994;1397205300;Namworld;You seem to be in the wrong channel.
616995;1397205314;Namworld;Kind of a large MPEx crowd in here.
616996;1397205373;Namworld;eh, he left
616997;1397207019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00096226 = 1.4915 BTC [-]
616998;1397207144;Duffer1;he's been trolling the chan all day
616999;1397209154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00096243 = 5.5821 BTC [+]
617000;1397209886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00096226 = 11.1622 BTC [-]
617001;1397210130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3438 @ 0.00095954 = 3.2989 BTC [-] {2} 
617002;1397212082;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05193743 = 0.1558 BTC [-]
617003;1397212265;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05193742 = 0.1039 BTC [-]
617004;1397212570;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.0057 = 0.2451 BTC [-] {2} 
617005;1397212997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
617006;1397213851;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.0057 = 0.4446 BTC [-]
617007;1397213879;MisterE;http://blog.detectify.com/post/82370846588/how-we-got-read-access-on-googles-production-servers
617008;1397213879;ozbot;Detectify Blog  – How we got read access on Google's production servers
617009;1397214005;fluffypony;yeah just read that
617010;1397214010;fluffypony;very clever
617011;1397214095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00095785 = 5.8429 BTC [-] {2} 
617012;1397214536;pankkake;lol XML!
617013;1397215076;mircea_popescu;MisterE lmao good one
617014;1397215374;MisterE;yea the holy grail
617015;1397215591;mircea_popescu;all this twitter chatter about omg dropbox. i never used it, because i didn't fucking like the idea a decade ago. now everyone stops liking the idea. i guess we all end up in the same spot eventually.
617016;1397215760;MisterE;I dumped all cloud services except Mega last year
617017;1397215841;mircea_popescu;i never used any. because why ? i still don't get it.
617018;1397215870;MisterE;sometimes when I was teaching I had to have my students download files
617019;1397215899;MisterE;few other use cases but I agree and hardly use it at all these days
617020;1397215899;fluffypony;yeah I've had a similar use-case
617021;1397215909;fluffypony;sharing files with non-technical people
617022;1397215915;MisterE;^ that
617023;1397215936;fluffypony;if it's with technical people I'd rather use git for versioning/sharing
617024;1397215951;pankkake;people don't like dropbox now? why?
617025;1397215955;MisterE;mircea_popescu just doesn't deal with any non-technical people I don;t think :)
617026;1397215960;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/454582751820533761
617027;1397215960;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @pdacosta Ahaha this is the ...
617028;1397215982;fluffypony;pankkake: coz of http://www.drop-dropbox.com
617029;1397215990;MisterE;pankkake: well for one they just put that torture, WMD, lying bitch Codaleeza Rice on their board.
617030;1397215996;mircea_popescu;MisterE so what's the problem to i dunno, dumpingthem on a server with apache ?
617031;1397216000;mircea_popescu;http has file transfer.
617032;1397216008;pankkake;not that you should ever have liked it - any honest competitor should have a fully open source CLIENT and CLIENT-SIDE encryption
617033;1397216022;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: it's not that way, it's the other way around as well
617034;1397216026;fluffypony;they need to send to youa
617035;1397216031;fluffypony;once they've made changes
617036;1397216064;mircea_popescu;oic.
617037;1397216079;MisterE;yea it's a nightmare
617038;1397216080;fluffypony;I tried doing the FTP thing ages ago with someone
617039;1397216082;fluffypony;it was awful
617040;1397216087;mircea_popescu;so if these are text files just dump a blog software or something on a webserver
617041;1397216091;pankkake;dropbox provides easy file versionning and synchronisation. personally, I use git, but it's not the same crowd
617042;1397216097;pankkake;for
617043;1397216101;MisterE;git is great!
617044;1397216102;mircea_popescu;dun tell me they're "making changes" in photoshop
617045;1397216123;MisterE;editingmovies on the fly heh
617046;1397216124;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: no normally Excel/Word documents, not plain text
617047;1397216138;mircea_popescu;i guess that's where we differ. i'd have forced all kids write .txt
617048;1397216151;mircea_popescu;excel/word seriously ?! F+
617049;1397216156;MisterE;:)
617050;1397216166;fluffypony;heh
617051;1397216169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15564 @ 0.00095585 = 14.8768 BTC [-] {2} 
617052;1397216173;fluffypony;I tried teaching someone markdown the other day
617053;1397216177;fluffypony;gave up after an hour
617054;1397216183;MisterE;many of my Asian students would have needed detailed instructions to make .txt
617055;1397216185;mircea_popescu;this is how kids grow up to be 37 yo "senior counsel" that can't express itself in writing needs to talk on the phone.
617056;1397216190;mircea_popescu;enrich their fucking minds damnit
617057;1397216195;MisterE;^ yep
617058;1397216203;mircea_popescu;MisterE now why would that be ?!
617059;1397216211;mircea_popescu;http://www.bbc.com/news/health-26885335
617060;1397216212;ozbot;BBC News - Doctors implant lab-grown vagina
617061;1397216232;mircea_popescu;just think about it ... chicks that could be walking around with synthetic vaginas in their tits
617062;1397216233;MisterE;the education system in many countries turns out the most low quality product I could ever imagine
617063;1397216242;mircea_popescu;could nevertheless not type text into their computor.
617064;1397216245;mircea_popescu;strange new world.
617065;1397216253;fluffypony;well the reason Excel is so pervasive is because it allows for simple (and sometimes invalid/incorrect) data analysis for even the most non-technical
617066;1397216267;MisterE;with multiple vags they probably won't have to worry about typing to make money heh
617067;1397216274;mircea_popescu;fluffypony you mean their cheap matlab clone ?
617068;1397216287;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yeah, but try teaching matlab to someone
617069;1397216297;fluffypony;or try teaching them to use sql as an alternative
617070;1397216300;fluffypony;even with UI tools
617071;1397216301;mircea_popescu;ok. i now appreciate the shit you folks have to deal it.
617072;1397216304;MisterE;yea it's insane how stuck on MS education is
617073;1397216310;mircea_popescu;i never would, personally, which is why i don't teach there.
617074;1397216326;MisterE;they absolutely know nothing else but Word Excel and FB
617075;1397216336;fluffypony;MisterE: yeah I never understood that, I always figured educators would want to use whatever was cheap and accessible, but MS has a foothold that isn't going away
617076;1397216355;MisterE;yea it's terrible I got out of teaching ASAP but good way to land in a country and get the lay of the land and make a few connections
617077;1397216367;cazalla;MS give it away for free to keep the foothold, don't they?
617078;1397216369;mircea_popescu;this is a good point.
617079;1397216376;MisterE;I loved teaching the young kids but the uni level I just hated
617080;1397216382;mircea_popescu;cazalla not really anymore than pharma gives meds away
617081;1397216386;MisterE;here it is all pirated
617082;1397216407;fluffypony;cazalla: they have an education edition of office, can't remember what it's called, but it's cheaper - not free
617083;1397216419;cazalla;must be an aussie thing
617084;1397216423;mircea_popescu;fluffypony why not just use open/libre office ?
617085;1397216433;mircea_popescu;it's definitely a drop-in replacement for excel etc
617086;1397216440;mircea_popescu;and it will save in proper formats.
617087;1397216440;fluffypony;yep I know, but they're afraid of it
617088;1397216444;mircea_popescu;...
617089;1397216458;fluffypony;well I'm talking more from a business stand point than an education one
617090;1397216463;MisterE;I dunno why they, Asians at least, simply can't get it in their head that there are other options.
617091;1397216464;pankkake;MisterE: some people sent me one-page powerpoints with only one image in it
617092;1397216470;pankkake;or other crap
617093;1397216472;fluffypony;but what I've seen happen is that some IT guy gets the bright idea to cut down on licensing costs by going OO/LO
617094;1397216476;mircea_popescu;anyway, your solution re the file problem : get them to migrate to open office, have their shit exported as whatever mark-up, it can be uploaded and validated on webserver.
617095;1397216495;mircea_popescu;and you're doing more for a better world than any vegetarian/ecologist/occupywallstreet/other idjit.
617096;1397216498;fluffypony;until some manager gets sent an Excel file with something complicated/shit (VBA, PivotCharts, PivotTables)
617097;1397216503;fluffypony;and it breaks in OO/LO
617098;1397216508;fluffypony;and then everyone goes back to MS Office
617099;1397216524;fluffypony;and the cycle continues
617100;1397216529;pankkake;by the way, if you like git, you can *diff* openoffice documents. https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitTips#How_to_use_git_to_track_OpenDocument_.28OpenOffice.2C_Koffice.29_files.3F
617101;1397216542;mircea_popescu;fluffypony you've4 just explained the market incentive for ms windows to stay obscure and broken.
617102;1397216548;mircea_popescu;people usually harp about it, but this is why they do it.
617103;1397216548;MisterE;school gave a colleague a hard time for not teaching Office iirc. He was only talking about cross platform compatibility but got called in for a discussion because students had complained
617104;1397216552;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: exactly
617105;1397216556;mircea_popescu;"our customers are many and stupid, we gotta "
617106;1397216566;mircea_popescu;a product, willy-nilly, ends up looking like its userbase.
617107;1397216586;MisterE;thats a terrible thing about the education system here teachers don't judge students because of the cultural / social hierarchy teachers are rated by students with rich parents
617108;1397216606;mircea_popescu;that's actually great.
617109;1397216610;MisterE;mircea_popescu: yea I just read your PR post on your blog about customers :)
617110;1397216697;MisterE;well it could be if used right but, since only wealthy kids here can afford Western teachers it's lazy dumb rich kids who cry to daddy when you try to get them to do anything productive then daddy calls school and teacher has a problem
617111;1397216711;MisterE;that and the no fail policy are why I left as fast as I did
617112;1397216713;MisterE;it's a joke
617113;1397216731;fluffypony;oh FFS, our maid just broke another iron
617114;1397216739;mircea_popescu;MisterE so tell dady how it is.
617115;1397216745;MisterE;oh FFS, first world problems :p
617116;1397216745;mircea_popescu;daddy is rich, he can't really be stupid.
617117;1397216752;fluffypony;MisterE: lawlz
617118;1397216765;MisterE;actually it's not a meritocracy, rich here often are the most stupid
617119;1397216786;MisterE;they buy their degrees from schools who dont make them work and are guaranteed work from family
617120;1397216787;mircea_popescu;which country is that again ?
617121;1397216800;fluffypony;MisterE: I think that's sometimes/often a product of "I inherited money so making money was a matter of only making a few major mistakes"
617122;1397216811;MisterE;Thailand is where I taught
617123;1397216818;fluffypony;where a poor/middle-class person can virtually be wiped out by making a major mistake
617124;1397216823;MisterE;but most SE Asian eduction systems are similar
617125;1397216831;mircea_popescu;i wonder how it survives.
617126;1397216841;mircea_popescu;theoretically speaking at least they should have been massacred in teh marketplace.
617127;1397216842;MisterE;Burma is much better interestingly
617128;1397216859;MisterE;and all the boat people coming back to Vietnam with Western education things are booming there
617129;1397216871;MisterE;well thailand is responsible for 19997
617130;1397216889;MisterE;they constantly institute capitol controls that shoot themselves in the foot
617131;1397216891;mircea_popescu;wassat ?
617132;1397216894;mircea_popescu;oh
617133;1397216895;mircea_popescu;lol
617134;1397216900;MisterE;they lost billions on a populist rice pledging scheme
617135;1397216914;mircea_popescu;so basically, thailand is a set of old landed gentry trying their best to stick to relevancy ? sorta like argentina ?
617136;1397216934;MisterE;they really are dumb I mean I dont want to be racist but Thailand is run and full of dumb people
617137;1397216941;MisterE;thats why people enjoy vacation so uch here
617138;1397216942;fluffypony;btw pankkake, good article on another XXE issue in OpenID from earlier this year: http://www.sensepost.com/blog/10178.html
617139;1397216952;mircea_popescu;lol
617140;1397216958;MisterE;mircea_popescu: that's pretty good analysis
617141;1397216961;mircea_popescu;who the fuck wants to be with stupid people.
617142;1397216975;MisterE;old money here has been around for generations and nothing much has changed under the hood
617143;1397216987;MisterE;though as is typical in Asia lots of new paintjobs :)
617144;1397217001;MisterE;I tell you it really wears on me at times
617145;1397217019;cazalla;i thought people go to thailand for sex tourism?
617146;1397217030;mircea_popescu;MisterE actually i think i get whart you mean re vacations. costa rica is a pleasure, but yeah the locals are really slow.
617147;1397217040;MisterE;I irc a lot and hang out at the foreign corespondent's club and stay sane that way
617148;1397217041;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu would retort with "who the fuck wants to fuck stupid people"
617149;1397217051;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic men.
617150;1397217055;MisterE;you really do not want to live here unless you're retiring
617151;1397217072;MisterE;especially if you have any addictive personality or not able to self-motivate
617152;1397217092;mircea_popescu;so basically you made your own zombie attack.
617153;1397217100;MisterE;I get out to hk and cx and sg often so BKK is a great base
617154;1397217107;MisterE;lol
617155;1397217114;MisterE;I could for shure
617156;1397217140;MisterE;also my standard of living is high and super cheap
617157;1397217151;MisterE;girls are very very hot
617158;1397217166;mircea_popescu;really, this is true of most of the world outside of some very narrowly selected places.
617159;1397217194;mircea_popescu;most places that aren't california, new york, pairs etc have high living standards of living, plentiful and obedient good looking women etc.
617160;1397217201;mircea_popescu;the trick is to not live in rome, as it were.
617161;1397217218;MisterE;well you can't match the cost of living here in most places where Western comforts are available granted though I've given up on most of them just because of changing
617162;1397217269;mircea_popescu;how not ? i've lived pretty much all over the world. living space costs you something in the range of a dollar per square foot per year.
617163;1397217310;mircea_popescu;food (actual, as opposed to whatever the fuck us fastfood is) will run you ten bux a day and so on
617164;1397217342;MisterE;my last place was about 80sqm, near the beach, a duplex, 2 bed 1nice bath and full kitchen (not often found here) and rent $230
617165;1397217351;MisterE;food is same everywhere
617166;1397217363;MisterE;if you want to eat healthy
617167;1397217363;mircea_popescu;;;calc 230 * 12 / 80 / 9
617168;1397217363;gribble;3.83333333333
617169;1397217371;Apocalyptic;SG is nice, though expensive for Asia standards
617170;1397217383;mircea_popescu;i guess you paid extra fo rthe beach and the kitchen
617171;1397217392;Apocalyptic;i read somewhere it's becoming the most expensive city in the world
617172;1397217393;MisterE;yea I would never live in sg because of the cost or hk also the space
617173;1397217398;mircea_popescu;(really, very small places throw the curve)
617174;1397217423;MisterE;that same place would have been $1500 in Berkeley or $3500 in SF
617175;1397217441;mircea_popescu;but i just said "most places that aren't california, new york, pairs etc"
617176;1397217446;mircea_popescu;you dun wanna live in rome.
617177;1397217465;MisterE;yea I sort of did want to live in a beach town a coupl eyears
617178;1397217488;MisterE;it wore off now deciding what to do next and rural is definitely the way forward
617179;1397217500;MisterE;I'm old done enough cities
617180;1397217521;cazalla;that's what i'm doing in 18-24 months MisterE
617181;1397217533;mircea_popescu;haha we're exact opposite ends of the cycle. i'm sick of peace and quiet.
617182;1397217536;cazalla;headed innawoods in tasmania
617183;1397217547;mircea_popescu;cazalla with the kid ?!
617184;1397217551;MisterE;I wouldn't want to live anywhere that wasn't reasonably close to somewhere with culture and fun though it's worth it to pay for that
617185;1397217559;MisterE;like I'd never live in Kansas
617186;1397217573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.58000235 = 9.86 BTC [-] {3} 
617187;1397217575;MisterE;or you know OK mid-west wasteland
617188;1397217588;cazalla;mircea_popescu: tassie is small, i'll find an area with a school within an hour and the wife can drive him
617189;1397217620;MisterE;find a good school, build somethign nearby
617190;1397217631;cazalla;i was actually going to piss off and do this before she fell pregnant
617191;1397217635;MisterE;thats always what I thought I;d do but no kids ever came
617192;1397217642;MisterE;maybe I;m shooting blanks :)
617193;1397217671;mircea_popescu;haha which reminds me, there used to be this whore advertised as a cum grader
617194;1397217673;MisterE;you lived in au mircea_popescu ?
617195;1397217682;mircea_popescu;she supposedly could tell you if you were shooting blanks or not.
617196;1397217682;MisterE;lol nasty
617197;1397217683;mircea_popescu;MisterE nope.
617198;1397217693;MisterE;haha
617199;1397217694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.051925 = 0.2077 BTC [+] {2} 
617200;1397217721;fluffypony;MisterE: mircea_popescu likes to Remain Here
617201;1397217726;fluffypony;*awful pun*
617202;1397217730;MisterE;how expensive in Romania?
617203;1397217734;MisterE;heh
617204;1397217741;mircea_popescu;not terribly.
617205;1397217769;mircea_popescu;"The North Carolina Attorney General's Office is now joining other states investigating a massive data breach at a credit reporting agency that has put 200 million Social Security numbers at risk."
617206;1397217775;mircea_popescu;god fucking forbid they say EXPERIAN
617207;1397217788;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, if it were some shitty service nobody heard of that happened to take btc ?
617208;1397217791;MisterE;right, proicks protecting their corporate friends
617209;1397217793;mircea_popescu;BITCOIN SECURITY FLAW
617210;1397217807;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: CORE security flaw in the Bitcoin ponzi scam!
617211;1397217812;mircea_popescu;right.
617212;1397217814;MisterE;^
617213;1397217821;fluffypony;allowed hackers to steal MILLIONS!
617214;1397217824;mircea_popescu;this is here so i have what to link journos when they need to be told how to cover btc.
617215;1397217836;mircea_popescu;cover it like it was obama's experian, fuckwit. because it is.
617216;1397217839;MisterE;corps hate us because we will gut and assimilate them one day
617217;1397217846;mircea_popescu;this is not a reason to hate.
617218;1397217851;mircea_popescu;this is a reason to fucking cuddle.
617219;1397217959;pankkake;jborkl: http://www.bcoinnews.com/feed/ = invalid xml
617220;1397217966;MisterE;reminds me of talking about saving face, Thai Air plane went off runway recently, monor accident few people roughed up but before deplaning or doing anything they had a crew out there covering the Thai logs
617221;1397217984;MisterE;logos*
617222;1397218001;fluffypony;lol! I have to try this tonight: http://i.imgur.com/TeHIhn9.jpg
617223;1397218051;mircea_popescu;MisterE lmao and they're allowed to ?
617224;1397218090;MisterE;fluffypony: did you read about how to make that in here? http://i.imgur.com/eSfqSKR.jpg
617225;1397218096;fluffypony;*clicks*
617226;1397218100;mircea_popescu;o wait, this is one of those fucktarded south asian countries which a) still has libel and b) truth is no defense to it ?
617227;1397218128;fluffypony;MisterE: indeed - that's the textbook I use for my Advanced Alcoholicist course
617228;1397218142;MisterE;\\\truth is a defense if you can afford to defend yourself defamation is prosecuted by the state and has a very chilling effect
617229;1397218148;MisterE;I'm involved with a case now
617230;1397218195;mircea_popescu;i remember some ridiculous thing where some blogger said she found a cockroach in her soup and then had to take down the post because the eatery objected
617231;1397218204;MisterE;the Lesse Majeste laws are what th is really know for being regressive about
617232;1397218205;mircea_popescu;fucking burn the place down, the gall of those people.
617233;1397218212;MisterE;right
617234;1397218232;mircea_popescu;MisterE amusingly, that part i can see. unless you're willing to go to war for the throne, stfu about the king.
617235;1397218234;mircea_popescu;this makes sense.
617236;1397218257;MisterE;well it's got that but on the upside nobody fucks with you here the cops do nothing they dont see their pace to intervene in personal disputes, you must have personal responsibility
617237;1397218271;mircea_popescu;also nice.
617238;1397218278;MisterE;I feel more free in reality here despite the nice piece of paper back in the US and my passport
617239;1397218290;MisterE;and nothing a little cash cant fix here even if I fuck up
617240;1397218305;MisterE;politeness of course trumps all
617241;1397218305;mircea_popescu;the advantage of corrupt societies.
617242;1397218320;MisterE;yes works to the foregners advantage almost always
617243;1397218320;mircea_popescu;people keep saying "corrupt" like it's a bad thing, but i seriously have been making it one of my top indicators
617244;1397218334;mircea_popescu;you dun wanna live in an "uncorrupt" society, because that always means totalitarian in practice.
617245;1397218337;MisterE;yea shit gets done when the wheels are greased
617246;1397218366;MisterE;US is nearly as corrupt but has a fucking elaborate system to shield it behind
617247;1397218380;MisterE;I may have more respect for Asians who just say hell with it and lay it on the table
617248;1397218429;mircea_popescu;MisterE try and tell a us cop that he either gets on his knees or he loses his job. then go pay his boss to fire him.
617249;1397218431;MisterE;tbh it effects me very little maybe once every other month in a minor driving incident
617250;1397218438;mircea_popescu;then get back to me about corrupt
617251;1397218450;MisterE;yea US cops are out of control
617252;1397218462;MisterE;I'm never going back ever
617253;1397218478;MisterE;but still remain interested in politics and happeings
617254;1397218487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0511 = 0.3577 BTC [-] {3} 
617255;1397218494;mircea_popescu;humiliating the police force is pretty much the test. if they don't understand that they have to get out of the way of *some people* it ain't a country worth living in.
617256;1397218568;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/609/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall/#c2768
617257;1397218570;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty to fall
617258;1397218573;MisterE;oh check out how the right of way system works here...
617259;1397218576;Apocalyptic;.d
617260;1397218576;ozbot;6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1100 blocks | Estimated Change: 4.6909% in 7d 6h 42m 4s
617261;1397218578;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla check that out, there's class warfare on bitbet
617262;1397218757;MisterE;so pedestrians are on the bottom ofc and have to wait for everything, then motorbikes (mopeds), then cars, then trucks (medium size) then busses because state owned bug dgaf and will hammer you) then big trucks with like trailers and finally everyone yields to the lat model Mercedes Benz . This is because the Benz may be driven by a well connected person who could make problems for you so fucks in Benzes flaunt everyone
617263;1397218774;MisterE;and anyone important here gets a police escort there's dozens maybe hundreds a day
617264;1397218852;mircea_popescu;well that's nutty.
617265;1397218878;mircea_popescu;i much prefer the european system (pedestrian have priority over anything)
617266;1397218891;MisterE;when royal family travels pedestrian overpasses are blocked, not for security, but because no one can be positioned higher than a royal.
617267;1397218897;MisterE;me too!
617268;1397218922;MisterE;I think some jerks here actually accelerate when you're in a crosswalk
617269;1397219014;MisterE;mircea_popescu: tl;dr Thais are the nicest people money can buy.
617270;1397219020;mircea_popescu;lol
617271;1397219026;MisterE;;)
617272;1397219036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.05199999 = 0.624 BTC [+] {2} 
617273;1397219052;fluffypony;heh
617274;1397219070;fluffypony;so someone placed a ~100 BTC buy order on Cryptsy for Dogecoin last night
617275;1397219082;fluffypony;from Reddit: "It's a Bitcoin investor that is going to capitalize on the ingenuity and creativity of Dogecoin."
617276;1397219095;Naphex;lol
617277;1397219097;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05289998 = 0.3174 BTC [+] {2} 
617278;1397219106;fluffypony;"This is a pump to say the least."
617279;1397219114;fluffypony;a 100 BTC buy is a pump?!
617280;1397219168;BingoBoingo;On something as worthless as Doge it is
617281;1397219182;mircea_popescu;that's ap oint.
617282;1397219183;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: true
617283;1397219188;mircea_popescu;what's it trade for ? still 100 satoshi ?
617284;1397219196;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yeah the buy was at 98
617285;1397219202;fluffypony;currently sitting at 99 it seems
617286;1397219229;mircea_popescu;so basically... doge owner and operator spending 100 of his last 1xx btc in a doomed but desperate attempt to save his pump and dump scheme from oblivion
617287;1397219248;fluffypony;lol
617288;1397219250;mircea_popescu;in spite of having made ~70% losses on his total investment so far, and in spite of having managed to attreact the wrath of mp, dude still hopes.
617289;1397219262;MisterE;I read rumor that DOGE and LTC were combining lol
617290;1397219283;mircea_popescu;MisterE the shit consists of nothing but trying to somehow buy press coverage. so... yeah. rumours.
617291;1397219291;MisterE;there's a bitbet about dog still worffing
617292;1397219295;MisterE;woffing*
617293;1397219312;MisterE;yep think it was bitcointalk or some crap site
617294;1397219320;mircea_popescu;ya but it never gathered 10 btc worth of interest iirc
617295;1397219340;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/733/doge-still-woofing-on-april-fools-day/
617296;1397219341;ozbot;BitBet - Doge still woofing on April Fool's Day
617297;1397219457;BingoBoingo;Dogers aren't the type to have discovered hedging yet though
617298;1397219621;mircea_popescu;or their penises.
617299;1397219673;fluffypony;coinmarketcap hurts my brain with the number of bullshit coins on there
617300;1397219684;pankkake;I should have made the bet last more, but April 1st was a good date
617301;1397219707;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03427436 = 0.1371 BTC [-] {3} 
617302;1397219711;fluffypony;http://www.marinecoin.org
617303;1397219717;fluffypony;"Safari refresh couple of times if you don't see the entire webpage contents below."
617304;1397219722;fluffypony;wut
617305;1397219735;MisterE;Ya GF delivers Carl's Jr.!
617306;1397219749;fluffypony;"Marinecoin is far ahead of its time, 5-10 years beyond traditional thinking. Let them make fun of you if they wish, for you will have your "Who is laughing now?" moment, guaranteed."
617307;1397219763;mircea_popescu;derp.
617308;1397219765;*;fluffypony invests all of his Bitcoin right now!
617309;1397219773;MisterE;I know but chix sand not the worst and I do get cravings here
617310;1397219775;cazalla;Isracoin has been doing ok, they're gonna have an airdrop, wonder if the palestinians will do that for them heh
617311;1397219780;MisterE;Marinecoin
617312;1397219791;pankkake;fluffypony: that's how it looks to me and will stay that way: http://i.imgur.com/HwDveU3.png
617313;1397219799;MisterE;how could you make a coin to help carbon emissions?
617314;1397219814;fluffypony;pankkake: looks much better than the actual site
617315;1397219877;fluffypony;cazalla: all of the coins with a ** next to the total supply you can disregard
617316;1397219903;fluffypony;they're "significantly premined", so if two of them sell for 100 satoshi but there are 10 trillion premined
617317;1397219906;cazalla;i think you can disregard any without 1 next to them
617318;1397219908;fluffypony;well, you can figure out what that means
617319;1397220010;fluffypony;"Ladies and Gentlemen, we are ready and proud to announce, to educate the rest 99% of the population who has never heard about crypto currencies. The CHECKMATE Trading System. Using Eccentric Trade Matrix Harmonic Acceleration Technology. The one & only truly revolutionary trading platform based on quantum physics & electron flow dynamics mathematical formulas. A 6 dimensional chess game we have invented that will forever change how crypto
617320;1397220010;fluffypony;currencies are going to be traded in the very near future."
617321;1397220019;fluffypony;what in actual fuck are these people smoking
617322;1397220083;mircea_popescu;fluffypony basically it's like this : society consists at all times of some people in the center, and a bunch of nuts at the edges. they are at the edges because they suck.
617323;1397220093;mircea_popescu;now, all new things start at the edge and move towards the center.
617324;1397220109;mircea_popescu;and every time something looks like it's going that way, the filth tries to hitch a ride.
617325;1397220121;mircea_popescu;that's the winklevoss twins, in a word : scum facebook sorta-drug with it.
617326;1397220140;MisterE;fairly lengthy troll today from minersdidit
617327;1397220145;mircea_popescu;and every single nutty idea will try to pile itself on top of the train, as it were, just as long as they figure "thge train is going somewhere"
617328;1397220157;fluffypony;yeah
617329;1397220220;mircea_popescu;so expect to have flat earth bitcoin, godcoin, globalwarmingcoin, etc.
617330;1397220235;fluffypony;heh
617331;1397220261;MisterE;globalwarmingcoin was my idea!!
617332;1397220273;mircea_popescu;aok
617333;1397220281;MisterE;;)
617334;1397220308;fluffypony;the altcoin section of Bitcointalk is becoming the Warrior Forums of BTC
617335;1397220376;mircea_popescu;indeed, very stylized
617336;1397220429;cazalla;fluffypony: WF is one step ahead, you have been able to buy WSO on making money with crypto for some time
617337;1397220439;fluffypony;hah
617338;1397220439;MisterE;I read a city minted a coin, only the local gov can mine it, and they're giving it for charitable things people do to help the city. now you can exchange for a title or crappy council resolution but trying to make more incentives for it.
617339;1397220441;fluffypony;well there you go
617340;1397220443;MisterE;US city
617341;1397220501;mircea_popescu;cazalla hardly one step ahead :D
617342;1397220511;pankkake;I hope Detroit launches Robocoin
617343;1397220521;mircea_popescu;either that or rapecoin.
617344;1397220539;mircea_popescu;"you get one every time you file a complaint"
617345;1397220566;pankkake;what about Ropecoin?
617346;1397220604;mircea_popescu;how's that work ?
617347;1397220646;fluffypony;you can use it to tie up your actual money?
617348;1397220689;mircea_popescu;lol
617349;1397220694;mircea_popescu;so you've been roped into it.
617350;1397220695;pankkake;can be either hanging themed or bondage themed
617351;1397220759;pankkake;bagholders would be at the end of the rope
617352;1397220830;fluffypony;nice
617353;1397220840;fluffypony;and you buy in with "proof of burn"
617354;1397220959;mircea_popescu;ouch.
617355;1397220965;mircea_popescu;ropeburn is not to be joked with
617356;1397221017;fluffypony;heh
617357;1397221049;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 163 @ 0.00084999 = 0.1385 BTC [+]
617358;1397221110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39726 @ 0.00096197 = 38.2152 BTC [+] {7} 
617359;1397221257;BingoBoingo;. bait
617360;1397221262;BingoBoingo;.bait
617361;1397221263;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/af6a1e2d4cd7d09a70deb048d9ef6b61/tumblr_mwfotlpGXd1rv57fio1_500.jpg
617362;1397221288;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
617363;1397221293;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 120 @ 0.14 = 16.8 BTC {4} 
617364;1397221296;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 426.1, vol: 64456.23973551 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 53954.02149 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 427.9999, vol: 57019.52119721 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 425.15, vol: 383.30053439 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 422.79566, vol: 9946.06750000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 442.86987, vol: 18.99977414 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 437.125486123, vol: 313.12483935 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
617365;1397221311;BingoBoingo;;;more
617366;1397221311;gribble;average: 424.75524867
617367;1397221327;BingoBoingo;So BTC is pretty much back to where it was 2 days ago
617368;1397221354;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 19 @ 0.14 = 2.66 BTC {2} 
617369;1397221415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
617370;1397221539;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: yes, until China bans bitcoin again
617371;1397221564;BingoBoingo;This is what, the seventh, eighth time already?
617372;1397221904;Duffer1;;t h alc
617373;1397221910;Duffer1;;ticker h alc
617374;1397221912;mircea_popescu;well they did win the bet...
617375;1397221964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03579999 = 0.179 BTC [+] {3} 
617376;1397222025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.03623524 = 0.616 BTC [+] {3} 
617377;1397222452;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
617378;1397222467;MisterE;rapecoin lmao
617379;1397222491;pankkake;rape credits would be better. make them work like carbon credits
617380;1397222515;MisterE;murdercoin I might could get behind
617381;1397222530;MisterE;some people should not reproduce
617382;1397222601;pankkake;castracoin should be enough then
617383;1397222610;pankkake;or aborcoin
617384;1397222794;nubbins`;;;later tell moiety Taegukgi yep, May 18 nope
617385;1397222794;gribble;The operation succeeded.
617386;1397222814;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: have you collected your Bitleu yet? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=510353.0
617387;1397222940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59389997 BTC [+]
617388;1397222946;MisterE;castracoin++
617389;1397222959;Apocalyptic;lmao
617390;1397222969;adolf_fishler;test
617391;1397222971;Apocalyptic;"Officical cryptocurrency of Romania?
617392;1397222971;Apocalyptic;Any proof of that ?"
617393;1397222978;Apocalyptic;these people...
617394;1397222999;mircea_popescu;that's ok, i'll do without
617395;1397223001;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 6 @ 0.14 = 0.84 BTC
617396;1397223002;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59399998 = 1.188 BTC [+] {2} 
617397;1397223186;fluffypony;Apocalyptic: did they seriously misspell official?
617398;1397223211;Apocalyptic;they did
617399;1397223233;mircea_popescu;is this the same dork that kept trying to pump ixcoin ?
617400;1397223245;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0364999 = 0.1095 BTC [+]
617401;1397223306;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05130103 = 0.1539 BTC [-]
617402;1397223307;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59389997 BTC [-]
617403;1397223308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
617404;1397223367;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05130103 = 0.1539 BTC [-] {2} 
617405;1397223794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC
617406;1397223977;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.59498999 = 4.1649 BTC [+] {2} 
617407;1397223978;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0523 = 0.1569 BTC [+]
617408;1397224099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
617409;1397224282;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59389997 = 1.1878 BTC [-]
617410;1397224613;numerisTrade;hello
617411;1397224675;adolf_fishler;hello kind sir
617412;1397224692;artifexd;;;later tell kakobrekla Why did assbot rate a bunch of people?
617413;1397224692;gribble;The operation succeeded.
617414;1397224702;adolf_fishler;based on sexyness?
617415;1397224840;pankkake;looks like a list of users active on #bitcoin-assets
617416;1397224850;mircea_popescu;artifexd because impending doom
617417;1397225002;artifexd;After the 12 hour troll fest in here last night, I wouldn't be surprised if #bitcoin-assets became +m and to get +v you had to be rated in the wot.
617418;1397225024;mircea_popescu;srsly ?
617419;1397225027;mircea_popescu;why are you so smart ?
617420;1397225028;pankkake;there was a troll?
617421;1397225052;artifexd;Of course, that increases the chicken/egg problem. Maybe being ident would be enough?
617422;1397225134;mircea_popescu;this isn't really meant as a first line "learn about bitcoin and share your feelings" venue anyway. there's the various forums and social media sites for that.
617423;1397225145;Apocalyptic;<intgr> "Theo De Raadt just set OPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEAT on libssl for OpenBSD. Shame that the actual flag is OPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS, so the commit does nothing."
617424;1397225155;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic win
617425;1397225192;MisterE;any change of getting a raping from assbot?
617426;1397225196;MisterE;rating***
617427;1397225198;pankkake;https://xkcd.com/1354/ when you see it that way, you wonder how the fuck it wasn't found right away
617428;1397225198;ozbot;xkcd: Heartbleed Explanation
617429;1397225215;MisterE;damn 1 letter
617430;1397225220;mircea_popescu;pankkake answer contained in question : because everyone was too busy derping with xkcd
617431;1397225248;pankkake;too busy derping answers a lot of questions :/
617432;1397225257;MisterE;my fav xkcd: https://xkcd.com/386/
617433;1397225284;mircea_popescu;oglaf > xkcd
617434;1397225303;mircea_popescu;i wonder if this'll ever be a flamewar.
617435;1397225305;pankkake;MisterE: used to be my forum sig somewhere. it's an addiction, I always try to quit but I fall in it again
617436;1397225314;pankkake;apples > oranges
617437;1397225319;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 50 @ 0.14 = 7 BTC
617438;1397225320;mircea_popescu;how so ?!
617439;1397225328;mircea_popescu;both cartoons neh ?
617440;1397225357;pankkake;I would actually argue that apples are better than oranges too
617441;1397225423;mircea_popescu;i dunno man. i really see it there. i love myself a summer evening apple, but also a winter morning orange.
617442;1397225424;MisterE;moar fiber
617443;1397225426;mircea_popescu;i couldnt switch
617444;1397225476;mircea_popescu;imo the biggest drawback of xckd is his psychotic relation to sexuality.
617445;1397225492;mircea_popescu;no penis ? seriously ?! what's this!
617446;1397225554;pankkake;MisterE: but oranges have moar vitamins, good for an early meal
617447;1397225578;mircea_popescu;also oranges much easier to share.
617448;1397225594;MisterE;hmm I do like me a fresh orange juice in the morning but lately the acid is not my friend :/
617449;1397225608;pankkake;I like the small oranges, clementines and mandarins, maybe because I'm a filthy individualist?
617450;1397225621;MisterE;in US I used to get the low acid concentraded OJ
617451;1397225624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0524298 = 0.1049 BTC [+]
617452;1397225629;pankkake;without the fiber it must be harder to digest
617453;1397225658;mircea_popescu;true story : me in a park, on bench, with apple. big fat red juicy apple. little girl sorta shyly eyeing my apple from a safe distance. so i extend it for her to take a bite. she bites and sorta... gets stuck ? starts shaking her head and eventually pulls away ?
617454;1397225658;MisterE;my stomach is a rock so I dunno why i eat chilies by the truckload
617455;1397225667;mircea_popescu;blood gushing everywhere. and my apple... now has a tooth in it.
617456;1397225668;MisterE;most Asians cant believe I eat spicy
617457;1397225675;MisterE;oh shit
617458;1397225677;pankkake;ouch
617459;1397225683;mircea_popescu;milk tooth.
617460;1397225756;MisterE;Thai New Year is here
617461;1397225761;mircea_popescu;happy ny.
617462;1397225764;MisterE;there are 3 Ney Years celebrations here
617463;1397225772;MisterE;Thai, Chinese and Western
617464;1397225777;MisterE;any excuse for a party
617465;1397225795;adolf_fishler;what kind of apple
617466;1397225796;adolf_fishler;was it
617467;1397225796;MisterE;but this shuts the country down like nothing else
617468;1397225796;adolf_fishler;?
617469;1397225810;MisterE;streets in Bangkok that are usually jam packed will be wide open
617470;1397225825;MisterE;my problem is nobody to make me food heh
617471;1397225844;MisterE;probably will go for 3 days straight pizza
617472;1397226219;cazalla;you know you can have the best of both worlds with a meyer lemon, i have a tree, best lemons in the world
617473;1397226270;cazalla;how did i misread apple v orange as lemon v orange
617474;1397226285;mike_c;tumor
617475;1397226295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
617476;1397226356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 30 @ 0.14 = 4.2 BTC
617477;1397226446;mircea_popescu;lupus
617478;1397226478;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3843 @ 0.00034912 = 1.3417 BTC [-] {14} 
617479;1397226539;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3433 @ 0.00032912 = 1.1299 BTC [-] {5} 
617480;1397226548;mircea_popescu;;;echo $randomnick $randomnick sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s...
617481;1397226549;gribble;asciilifeform ystarnaud sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s...
617482;1397226563;mircea_popescu;evil.
617483;1397226974;rithm;recently in #bitcoin-mining: <Meldrysha> i bought a antminer u2+. but cgminer or bfg miner cant find the antminer. can anyone help me with my bad english?^^
617484;1397226982;rithm;that's a real line of text too
617485;1397227565;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/a-virtual-socioeconomic-problem/
617486;1397227566;ozbot;A virtual socioeconomic problem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
617487;1397227881;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
617488;1397228064;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 14 @ 0.01079382 = 0.1511 BTC [+] {3} 
617489;1397228186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00096237 = 2.5984 BTC [+]
617490;1397228244;Shakespeare;just read your guild article
617491;1397228255;Shakespeare;i dont think it's one problem
617492;1397228281;Shakespeare;people play for different reasons, you cant cater to all of them
617493;1397228286;Shakespeare;but you also cant cater to none
617494;1397228308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00567009 = 0.3119 BTC [-] {3} 
617495;1397228310;Shakespeare;some people want to excel, whether achieved or not, they aspire to be a top raider
617496;1397228340;Shakespeare;some people want to have fun, be social, this requires regular opportunity to be part of an active and communicating group
617497;1397228348;Shakespeare;for example, i play dota 2
617498;1397228361;Shakespeare;i do better solo, and work on my rating that way
617499;1397228370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 69 @ 0.0015 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {2} 
617500;1397228371;Shakespeare;but ive met a few people i like
617501;1397228376;Shakespeare;and i'd rather play with them
617502;1397228380;Shakespeare;because it's more fun
617503;1397228398;Shakespeare;even if we lose, it's more fun
617504;1397228430;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
617505;1397228439;Shakespeare;then, like children, some people need order
617506;1397228446;Shakespeare;leadership
617507;1397228447;Shakespeare;etc
617508;1397228470;Shakespeare;that lends to having an organizational structure
617509;1397228478;Shakespeare;an active GL
617510;1397228486;Shakespeare;executives below him
617511;1397228487;Shakespeare;etc
617512;1397228504;Shakespeare;generally all these things are offering relevance
617513;1397228517;Shakespeare;just each player seeks relevance in different ways
617514;1397228547;Shakespeare;some guilds would try to tackle catering to all these things
617515;1397228551;Shakespeare;it doesnt really work
617516;1397228556;Shakespeare;high turnover
617517;1397228598;Shakespeare;dunno if any of that helps, but those are my most immediate thoughts
617518;1397228686;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare well yes but for instance there's the institution of legatus milites
617519;1397228699;mircea_popescu;guild rank 4. he gets to organise raids, and has access to special guild vault of raids supplies.
617520;1397228711;mircea_popescu;chick in question ? didn't even know all this. tho it's on the fucking guild wall
617521;1397228728;mircea_popescu;now part of it could be bad ui, i guess. but part of it is just incomprehensible to me
617522;1397228744;Shakespeare;well is guild chat anything like here?
617523;1397228754;Shakespeare;as in, can lowly noob be directed to education?
617524;1397228796;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.05242998 = 0.8913 BTC [+]
617525;1397228800;Shakespeare;also why use a chick for your case study?
617526;1397228813;mircea_popescu;cause it's the most recent example, i guess.
617527;1397228826;Shakespeare;yeah but not exactly a control
617528;1397228841;mircea_popescu;some earlier dudes (whgich is when istarted suspecting i may have a problem) wanted permission to raid with some other guild. i was like fine
617529;1397228861;Shakespeare;ask them why
617530;1397228868;mircea_popescu;then they joined the other guild. im like wtf you dummies, you three go join two dudes in a lvl 4 guild ? why don't they join you in your lvl 13 guild wtf.
617531;1397228885;Shakespeare;they want their own relevance maybe
617532;1397228889;Shakespeare;stake
617533;1397228911;mircea_popescu;not like anyone gives a shit as far as i can tell
617534;1397228931;Shakespeare;yeah, i mean if it's just random turnover, well you cant stop that
617535;1397228934;mircea_popescu;ie, i doubt if you ask the total guild population (somehow) half know im the leader
617536;1397228936;Shakespeare;but if you think you have a problem
617537;1397228942;Shakespeare;you could research it
617538;1397228945;mircea_popescu;nono i meant about the stake
617539;1397228971;Shakespeare;i bet theyd prefer to have a leader
617540;1397228976;Shakespeare;a known one
617541;1397228983;mircea_popescu;im tempted to think that people are by now so fucking blinded by the idiocy of the us system that rather than aspire to live, they aspire to one day be the ones to give the orders.
617542;1397228996;Shakespeare;many, yes
617543;1397229024;artifexd;Maybe he/she wants to be revered. It is easier to be the big fish in a small pond.
617544;1397229026;Shakespeare;as soon as they hit any kind of obstacle or friction they will first think, well should i just own it myself?
617545;1397229040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2401 @ 0.0001 = 0.2401 BTC [-] {2} 
617546;1397229053;Shakespeare;i started guilds, i rose to rank and to leader in some
617547;1397229064;Shakespeare;really being a leader in WoW fucking blows
617548;1397229100;mircea_popescu;well that's the thing, i'm not about to spend a ton of time derping in guild chat or w/e.
617549;1397229101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
617550;1397229131;Shakespeare;theyd probly all hate you anyway ;)
617551;1397229159;mircea_popescu;lol
617552;1397229180;mircea_popescu;i've have enough of my hands full being pretty much... the marketmaker there. it's fucking ridiculous with these people.
617553;1397229210;mircea_popescu;i guess if i go looking for it, the "they're just retarded" theory actually has a lot of support.
617554;1397229259;Shakespeare;yeah i wouldnt get too wrapped up in "fixing" gamer behavior
617555;1397229266;Shakespeare;just asking for misery
617556;1397229400;mircea_popescu;i mean don;'t get me wrong, im not butthurt or anything, join a 2 year old game and own the top guild on one shard within what, 4-5 months is not trivial.
617557;1397229414;mircea_popescu;but some shit gives me pause.
617558;1397229421;BingoBoingo;Eh, maybe they just got bored being in a large guild that has already "won" the game?
617559;1397229476;pLambert;HIF just released their quarterly staement, price is dropping like a rock
617560;1397229489;Shakespeare;link?
617561;1397229495;mircea_popescu;pLambert is hif the havelog version of the vtx thing ?
617562;1397229514;Shakespeare;its shares of Havelock
617563;1397229516;jborkl;well no trades are posting
617564;1397229527;jborkl;assbot on break again?
617565;1397229537;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo hardly, that's the rub. game has tons of 12man team content, we;ve barely scratched the surface. item rarities go over 7 tiers, the best available atm is tier 4 or so.
617566;1397229544;pLambert;yeah, it is havelock, maybe the price is so low it is not showing?
617567;1397229547;Shakespeare;the obnoxiously overpriced IPO was discussed mos ago
617568;1397229549;mircea_popescu;but with a bunch of 3man lvl 3guilds that's never going to be within reach
617569;1397229563;mircea_popescu;assbot> [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2401 @ 0.0001 = 0.2401 BTC [-] {2} < i see ?
617570;1397229601;pLambert;does havelock round its numbers to 4 places?
617571;1397229620;fluffypony;they should switch to floats. I hear good things about floats.
617572;1397229622;fluffypony;:-p
617573;1397229627;Shakespeare;it rounds the homepage, but otherwise no
617574;1397229651;mircea_popescu;!t h hif
617575;1397229652;assbot;[HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00010000 / 0.00027366 / 0.00039498 (10792 shares, 2.95328721 BTC), 7D: 0.00010000 / 0.00032857 / 0.00043000 (23457 shares, 7.70732156 BTC), 30D: 0.00010000 / 0.00038972 / 0.00056500 (75791 shares, 29.53749976 BTC)
617576;1397229664;mircea_popescu;well it did drop like 70%
617577;1397229741;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That's confounding then.
617578;1397229772;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
617579;1397229833;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59498765 BTC [+]
617580;1397229889;Shakespeare;must login to view HL report?
617581;1397229892;Shakespeare;gay
617582;1397229967;Shakespeare;"Dividend value is posted (albeit incredibly disappointing), but I have not had received any bitcoin to my account.
617583;1397229967;Shakespeare;Also, there is nothing in the report outlining what the "expenses" are made up of."
617584;1397229985;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what you mean ?
617585;1397230224;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare note the "dividend value" "reports" equivalency in the person;'s head.
617586;1397230307;nubbins`;havelock, lel
617587;1397230318;bounce;dunno. could be... a lack of athmosphere maybe?
617588;1397230318;nubbins`;the best part is when they don't enumerate expenses
617589;1397230322;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59498755 BTC [-]
617590;1397230328;mircea_popescu;bounce definitely.
617591;1397230348;nubbins`;"we spend 60btc per month on... things"
617592;1397230365;*;bounce has no idea what drives the generic gamer, though. been years since I happened to play along with a bunch of fanatical gamers. mostly starcraft on university computers.
617593;1397230440;bounce;could try and organise a few community officers or whatever you'd like to call'em, have them organise meet-ups, in-game parties, whatever.
617594;1397230505;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC {2} 
617595;1397230557;Shakespeare;lol the HIF qrtlyt report "only available to unit holders"
617596;1397230636;bounce;buy one share to see the report?
617597;1397230643;mircea_popescu;bounce i bought a guild tavern, there's tons of decorations available. the position of "guild tavern designer" is pretty much oipen for the asking.
617598;1397230655;mircea_popescu;you'd think people'd jump on the change to play dolly house on my money, but somehow... nop.
617599;1397230667;Shakespeare;Q1
617600;1397230670;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare shockingly inept these people.
617601;1397230671;Shakespeare;Revenues
617602;1397230671;Shakespeare;Operating Expense
617603;1397230671;Shakespeare;Operating Income
617604;1397230671;Shakespeare;฿ 216.47528979
617605;1397230671;Shakespeare;฿ 179.47272695
617606;1397230672;Shakespeare;฿ 37.00256284
617607;1397230686;mircea_popescu;i mean... what, they're going to keep it a secret ?
617608;1397230687;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59498765 BTC [+]
617609;1397230712;nubbins`;https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50842076/HIFQuarterly%20Results%201Q2014.pdf
617610;1397230725;nubbins`;^ for all you suckers who didn't blow your wad on HIF
617611;1397230747;Shakespeare;they show a loss for past 2mos
617612;1397230754;nubbins`;Shakespeare: 179btc spent on "???", not bad
617613;1397230778;Shakespeare;1st Quarter Summary
617614;1397230778;Shakespeare;ï‚— User base increased 233%
617615;1397230778;Shakespeare;ï‚— Over 100,000 Unique Visitors to our site
617616;1397230778;Shakespeare;ï‚— Average Visitor Duration 7:08
617617;1397230778;Shakespeare;ï‚— 7 New Funds Representing 13 Different Companies were added
617618;1397230778;Shakespeare; Over ฿25,000 were traded
617619;1397230780;Shakespeare;ï‚— Support/FAQ web platform was successfully lunched
617620;1397230803;nubbins`;"average visitor duration" -- y'know, something that people give a fuck about :D
617621;1397230832;bounce;not the first time I hear someone complain that people don't pick up on this, and I'm probably extra double guilty, but from this armchair... er, well, it'll do, it's like, need a working culture of enthousiasm and picking up on things for people to do that. not everyone is enthousiastic from the get-go, but people'll pick up on it if the other sheep are doing it too, or if that's just the thing you do.
617622;1397230843;bounce;s/guilty/& too/
617623;1397230867;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare dude you ever heard of pastebin ?
617624;1397230869;Shakespeare;We were able to build the infrastructure for companies to
617625;1397230869;Shakespeare;raise capital through the Bitcoin protocol. Using the protocol first and foremost for what it was intended for: as a payment
617626;1397230869;Shakespeare;gateway. Individuals from all over the globe were able to participate directly in the new Funds that we offered.
617627;1397230869;Shakespeare;Over the past few months we received countless applications for the Bitcoin Venture Capital Fund. Going over countless
617628;1397230871;Shakespeare;business plans and financial projections, we can see the way Bitcoin is paving the way for a whole new economy. We are
617629;1397230874;Shakespeare;excited for the future of our company and the way we are able to bring those companies into the global market place.
617630;1397230875;thestringpuller;lololol
617631;1397230877;Shakespeare;Our team is working harder than ever to bring the users of our platform a diversified choice of Funds to choose from when
617632;1397230880;Shakespeare;they are putting their hard earned Bitcoins to work. We look forward to continue to serve our customers and the companies
617633;1397230883;Shakespeare;we partner with to the best of our abilities.
617634;1397230885;Shakespeare;Sincerely,
617635;1397230887;Shakespeare;The Havelock Investments Team
617636;1397230887;thestringpuller;oh no wall of text on irc
617637;1397230891;Shakespeare;sry
617638;1397230905;akstunt600;hmm pastebin is nice
617639;1397230906;bounce;apparently the log will have to do for a pastebin too. amazing versatility.
617640;1397230906;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
617641;1397230935;thestringpuller;;;google site:bitbet.us Then there was one
617642;1397230936;mircea_popescu;so danny works for havelock now ?
617643;1397230936;gribble;BitBet - And Then There Was One: <http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/>; BitBet: <http://bitbet.us/?ref=14jCdHEcA2ujptyfBf8TmCgSRPhEDKiLJg>; BitBet: <http://bitbet.us/?ref=1HpgxXi6P2BZt5y5hJRdFBTV5rPmh1QiPm>
617644;1397230947;thestringpuller;looks more appealing now :D
617645;1397230956;Shakespeare;if you can deal with idiot pollution like minersdidit, i'm allowed a wall of text here and there
617646;1397230975;jurov;<MisterE> any change of getting a raping from assbot? << NOPE. I TRIED.
617647;1397230988;mike_c;I am not getting a clear picture of the potential customer issues the MPEx rfc is aiming to fix.  Perhaps I am being thick.
617648;1397230990;bounce;who said I can deal with that? *eyes glaze over, tune out, scroll by*
617649;1397230992;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC
617650;1397230999;pLambert;https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2OFUpBh6yKATTlEZzVkNFN4STg/edit?usp=sharing
617651;1397230999;ozbot;HIFQuarterly Results 1Q2014.pdf - Google Drive
617652;1397231044;akstunt600;hahhahah Shakespeare
617653;1397231050;akstunt600;good point
617654;1397231266;mircea_popescu;mike_c me either ;/
617655;1397231369;mike_c;is the goal to try to have some kind of proof in the case where a customer and mpex disagree on whether an order was accepted?  or is is just to give the customer more tools to manage their orders.
617656;1397231433;jurov;mike_c: what you're on about?
617657;1397231441;mike_c;http://trilema.com/2014/mpexrfc1/
617658;1397231442;ozbot;MPEx.RFC.1 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
617659;1397231481;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
617660;1397231512;mircea_popescu;mike_c the later, imo.
617661;1397231531;jurov;oh the joy *reads on*
617662;1397231540;mircea_popescu;this thing with the order id keeps getting brought up for some reason
617663;1397231541;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
617664;1397231545;mike_c;ok.  then i still agree with my comment about mpex accepting the count and updating.
617665;1397231724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00096231 = 18.8132 BTC [-] {3} 
617666;1397231948;jurov;you already had a dicsussion about that? my grep fu fails me
617667;1397231968;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
617668;1397231989;mike_c;just in the blog comments
617669;1397232012;mircea_popescu;yeah and ideally keep the discussion in comments
617670;1397232017;mircea_popescu;it'll get unfollowable otherwise
617671;1397232030;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.15062784 BTC to 7`668 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
617672;1397232090;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 307 @ 0.00072511 = 0.2226 BTC [-]
617673;1397232091;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] [PAID] 0.63536437 BTC to 1`717`201 shares, 37 satoshi per share
617674;1397232152;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 6 @ 0.14 = 0.84 BTC {2} 
617675;1397232166;MisterE;jurov: I've had assbot on ignore since I got here so I might have already had one without knowing :)
617676;1397232190;MisterE;that dude so gets lighted a lot :)
617677;1397232273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 399 @ 0.00072511 = 0.2893 BTC [-] {2} 
617678;1397232276;akstunt600;wish i had 30btc, i want some dividends
617679;1397232295;akstunt600;oh well, nobody expects the spanish Inquisition
617680;1397232331;MisterE;Goya's Ghosts
617681;1397232334;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 352 @ 0.00072503 = 0.2552 BTC [-] {2} 
617682;1397232336;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
617683;1397232395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 4 @ 0.14 = 0.56 BTC
617684;1397232417;mircea_popescu;akstunt600 what do you need 30 btc for ?
617685;1397232418;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I was probably on about some game thing. I had to address the Carbon Monoxide detector.
617686;1397232496;BingoBoingo;Thing was beeping every couple minutes to alert that it had reached its end of life.
617687;1397232536;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: you won't believe this :x, yesterday some guy got in contact with me wanting to start a bitcoin meetup for my area, I go meet him and he tells me he has something from butterfly labs and that he plugged the US power supply into our UK sockets and broke it, so it has been sitting in the box since, didn't know which model it was or whatever, so I agree to go take a look
617688;1397232550;Azelphur;turns out, he has had a SC Single sitting in a box since November, dude burned so much money >.<
617689;1397232555;mircea_popescu;Azelphur i saw in logs yest lol
617690;1397232559;Azelphur;ah hehe
617691;1397232563;benkay;fluffypony: how does a maid break an iron? defective maids or defective irons?
617692;1397232575;Azelphur;I still can't believe that haha, how could someone end up with one of those...and then just leave it in a box
617693;1397232578;Azelphur;my brain is still full of wat
617694;1397232612;bounce;in soviet russia, iron maiden break you!
617695;1397232613;Shakespeare;it's the annual IPO festival in Jacksonville this week
617696;1397232614;Shakespeare;http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2014/04/11/startups-compete-for-crowdfunding-dollars-in-person-at-the-one-spark-festival/
617697;1397232615;ozbot;Startups Compete For Crowdfunding Dollars In Person At The One Spark Festival - Forbes
617698;1397232625;BingoBoingo;benkay: Probably a confusion of ideas. The maid should have been a dockworker.
617699;1397232632;Shakespeare;this year, they didnt use a bomb for the logo
617700;1397232650;mircea_popescu;Azelphur because no clue.]
617701;1397232659;Azelphur;indeed
617702;1397232663;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare then they raise a barn ?
617703;1397232669;artifexd;Shakespeare: Should I go?
617704;1397232675;Shakespeare;it's not bad really
617705;1397232683;Shakespeare;best thing Jax has to offer
617706;1397232693;Shakespeare;though the next one will be in Berlin
617707;1397232720;Shakespeare;well, i suppose the port is actually the best thing jax has
617708;1397232723;Shakespeare;but yknow
617709;1397232765;artifexd;I'm partial to the beach
617710;1397232775;Shakespeare;never been to the one in jax
617711;1397232780;Shakespeare;there's one closer to me
617712;1397232788;artifexd;Nice, uh, scenery.
617713;1397232861;Shakespeare;i know a few people fundraising at onespark, it's kinda like a shark tank expo
617714;1397232883;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05252358 = 1.0505 BTC [+] {6} 
617715;1397232898;akstunt600;mircea_popescu, Iwas looking at mpex
617716;1397232911;mircea_popescu;youy know you can just get a broker
617717;1397232920;mircea_popescu;jurov dude you gotta advertise that thing, nobody knows about it!
617718;1397232921;Shakespeare;and you didnt turn to stone?
617719;1397232928;akstunt600;I saw that but who is legitimate?
617720;1397232942;Azelphur;akstunt600: I could do it for you if you wanted
617721;1397232956;MisterE;for sure jurov
617722;1397232959;jurov;i'll make an ads saying "coinbr is the legitimate broker" or what?
617723;1397232964;akstunt600;I guess yeah multisig solves these probems with trust too
617724;1397232965;akstunt600;Hmmm
617725;1397232972;akstunt600;Thanks for the offer Azelphur
617726;1397232977;akstunt600;I will consider
617727;1397232988;Azelphur;;;bcauth Azelphur
617728;1397232988;gribble;Request successful for user Azelphur, hostmask Azelphur!~Azelphur@azelphur.com. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:0358cd1b0ce056183b46488845777c93086083fa52335cf0dc273602
617729;1397233022;mircea_popescu;jurov "don't wanna pay 30 btc ? use coinbr!"
617730;1397233024;mircea_popescu;it even rhymes
617731;1397233029;mircea_popescu;sorta
617732;1397233062;Azelphur;;;bcverify HOsLCI2eb6NmGVWwfheeZeABeTD+nIBOEkIRrG460+PG6eIxdTmPOigg1emi3R3I0//oJZ3ztMSV4jJs+Pa35Bc=
617733;1397233063;gribble;You are now authenticated for user 'Azelphur' with address 144LmVdmgLy2rc9dGMhJfqb4fUmGWMMk9M
617734;1397233068;Azelphur;;;ratingsystem getrating azelphur
617735;1397233069;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask Azelphur!~Azelphur@azelphur.com . User Azelphur, rated since Mon Apr  9 00:11:58 2012. Cumulative rating 232, from 162 total ratings. Received ratings: 150 positive, 12 negative. Sent ratings: 150 positive, 15 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Azelphur
617736;1397233070;Azelphur;akstunt600:  ^ fyi
617737;1397233070;jurov;;;later tell akstunt600 where did you learned abut mpex?
617738;1397233071;gribble;The operation succeeded.
617739;1397233080;jurov;he's gone
617740;1397233095;Azelphur;jurov: nope, still here, he rejoined :P
617741;1397233191;akstunt600;thanks Azelphur
617742;1397233198;akstunt600;im checking it out now
617743;1397233222;jurov;akstunt600 i was asking to get ideas where to advertise
617744;1397233238;pLambert;<mircea_popescu> jurov "don't wanna pay 30 btc ? use coinbr!" [12:17] <mircea_popescu> it even rhymes <<< What they hell, how is that even close to a rhyme?
617745;1397233284;akstunt600;jurov, I was invited here by [\\\]
617746;1397233288;mircea_popescu;it's dyslexhrymia.
617747;1397233297;akstunt600;and saw the bot and people mention mpex
617748;1397233308;pLambert;I don't even see what you thought might rhyme?
617749;1397233309;akstunt600;read it and loved mircea_popescu attitude
617750;1397233312;akstunt600;sounds like me
617751;1397233313;akstunt600;lol
617752;1397233323;mircea_popescu;lol where you from ?
617753;1397233332;akstunt600;Philadelphia
617754;1397233351;jurov;so basically i should bribe assbot to spam about coinbr. >:D
617755;1397233361;akstunt600;hahahh jurov yes
617756;1397233372;jurov;instead of these quotes.. kakobrekla, you'ere up to it?
617757;1397233374;akstunt600;I found coinbr while mucking about too
617758;1397233388;pLambert;I have a reference link to coinbr in my bitcointalk sig, but I don't think anybody ever clicks on those
617759;1397233391;akstunt600;but was getting sleepy llast night
617760;1397233476;jurov;kakobrekla in fact i can sell assbot's ad slots for you, so that you don't have to care about it
617761;1397233504;kakobrekla;morning
617762;1397233511;kakobrekla;where are these ad slots you speak of
617763;1397233528;jurov;!t show me ad instead of lame quote
617764;1397233528;assbot;I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
617765;1397233549;mircea_popescu;lmao assbot ads
617766;1397233551;kakobrekla;well, the quotes carry great educational value.
617767;1397233572;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla : you could sell contextual ads. replace the dumbass "amazing company" so that whenever someone says 30 btc assbot says "use coinbr!"
617768;1397233572;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
617769;1397233592;pLambert;that is an amazing idea
617770;1397233592;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
617771;1397233602;kakobrekla;yeah but im not taking the amazing out
617772;1397233602;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
617773;1397233610;TomServo;kakobrekla: seems histographs are broken on bitbet
617774;1397233617;kakobrekla;now what
617775;1397233636;kakobrekla;?
617776;1397233656;Shakespeare;why so attachec to the amzing company kako?
617777;1397233678;kakobrekla;i dunno, maybe you are too fresh to know that
617778;1397233692;Shakespeare;<--- tat
617779;1397233703;kakobrekla;defo too fresh.
617780;1397233707;kakobrekla;:D
617781;1397233712;Shakespeare;lol i was here before you made it!
617782;1397233750;mircea_popescu;amazing before
617783;1397233750;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
617784;1397233803;thestringpuller;mos def too fresh and too amazing
617785;1397233803;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
617786;1397233869;pLambert;are there any other automated brokers besides Coinbr for MPEx?
617787;1397233876;Shakespeare;Cloudflare now saying they cant figure out how to get heartbleed to bleed keys
617788;1397233876;thestringpuller;nope
617789;1397233907;MisterE;cloudfare  has 2-faces
617790;1397233938;the20year;are there any other meetups similar to onespark?
617791;1397233963;Shakespeare;its not a meetup, but i think SXSW has similarities
617792;1397233979;Shakespeare;and i know silicon valley does pitch events
617793;1397234032;mircea_popescu;pLambert not afaik. couldn't hurt anything to have more i guess.
617794;1397234042;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
617795;1397234073;pLambert;heh, I will get right on writing one. How hard can it be? ;)
617796;1397234102;*;jurov cackles
617797;1397234103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
617798;1397234114;Shakespeare;i hear BTCT is selling its code
617799;1397234122;Shakespeare;great place to start!
617800;1397234157;pLambert;well, at least they had email updates when trades execute, unlike CoinBR
617801;1397234172;Azelphur;pLambert: be careful of jail
617802;1397234180;pLambert;jail?
617803;1397234233;Shakespeare;;;ud jail
617804;1397234234;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jail | Upload a picture of jail. 2. jail. being confined to a certain area that usually smells like the combo of piss, shit, feet, ass, nuts, body odor, lysol, and mildew for a ...
617805;1397234235;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: jail
617806;1397234415;the20year;oh boy, $1m in crowdfunding
617807;1397234652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03425 = 0.137 BTC [+] {3} 
617808;1397234953;rithm;hashtag amaze
617809;1397234989;rithm;if i had a laser on the moon, i'd hold the world hostage for a million
617810;1397234995;MisterE;used to be geekniks
617811;1397235320;benkay;http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/
617812;1397235323;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June
617813;1397235331;benkay;where's my double-digit and single digit bets, eh?
617814;1397235363;*;jurov delivered withering response to mpex rfc.
617815;1397235707;jurov;though, i must admit that it could be good way to protect myself
617816;1397235734;jurov;when i;m under threat of rectothermals, i can just vaporize all coinbr holdings :D
617817;1397235811;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 16 @ 0.0075 = 0.12 BTC [+]
617818;1397235812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.052987 = 0.159 BTC [+]
617819;1397235828;MisterE;think we'll see 300 before June eh?
617820;1397235888;mircea_popescu;lol jurov singlehandedly sunk the first rfc in bitcoin.
617821;1397235895;mircea_popescu;I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY WITH YOURSELF NAO
617822;1397235947;jurov;yup
617823;1397235994;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05184778 = 0.1037 BTC [-]
617824;1397236029;Shakespeare;lucky to have him!
617825;1397236053;jurov;but now the enemy knows i have push papers buried somewhere D:
617826;1397236056;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 214 @ 0.000725 = 0.1552 BTC [-]
617827;1397236057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
617828;1397236062;jurov;no cardano will help mah
617829;1397236077;mircea_popescu;are they in your butt ?
617830;1397236108;jurov;ow, inconvenient
617831;1397236119;asciilifeform;;;google french anal safe
617832;1397236120;gribble;Anal sex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_sex>; Kinky but safe French teen casting | Redtube Free Teens Porn ...: <http://www.redtube.com/64869>; Tackling the alcohol issue in france Anal fissures; first do no harm: <http://bjgp.org/content/64/618/16.2.full.pdf>
617833;1397236124;asciilifeform;fail.
617834;1397236127;MisterE;ol
617835;1397236133;mircea_popescu;This watch was on your daddy's wrist when he was shot down over Hanoi. He was captured, put in a Vietnamese prison camp. He knew that if the gooks ever saw the watch, it'd be confiscated and taken away. The way your Dad looked at it, this watch was your birthright. He'd be damned if any slope's gonna put their greasy, yellow hands on his boy's birthright, so he hid it in one place he knew he could hide something - his
617836;1397236133;mircea_popescu;ass. Five long years he wore this watch up his ass. Then, he died of dysentery. He give me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable hunk of metal up my ass two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. Now, little man, I give the watch to you.
617837;1397236146;MisterE;^ Christopher Walken nails that
617838;1397236153;mircea_popescu;mhm
617839;1397236158;mircea_popescu;he's a kickass actor that guy
617840;1397236162;MisterE;such a fantastic movie
617841;1397236164;MisterE;yep
617842;1397236171;MisterE;Suicide Kings is another great role for him
617843;1397236173;mircea_popescu;hes even better in true romance imo
617844;1397236184;mircea_popescu;yeah but that movie suffered from a meh premise.
617845;1397236188;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema suicide kings
617846;1397236189;gribble;Februarie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/02>; Wikipedia : the special olympics for the mentally retarded ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/wikipedia-the-special-olympics-for-the-mentally-retarded>; Trilematograf pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/trilematograf/>
617847;1397236191;MisterE;oh gosh yea that's great
617848;1397236229;TomServo;Brad Pitt was great in True Romance too, haha
617849;1397236233;MisterE;yep bad script but good acting from Walken and the fishboots actor ohh wtf his name
617850;1397236304;MisterE;Denis Leary, one of the best scenes in film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWKrncseUw8
617851;1397236350;MisterE;Catch Me If You Can
617852;1397236477;MisterE;Deer Hunter was masterpiece
617853;1397236482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05254321 = 0.4203 BTC [+]
617854;1397236543;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05254321 = 0.4203 BTC [+]
617855;1397236751;BingoBoingo;http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/04/11/1636238/weev-conviction-vacated
617856;1397236752;ozbot;'weev' Conviction Vacated - Slashdot
617857;1397236757;BingoBoingo;Weev is free again
617858;1397236843;BingoBoingo;http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5020993&cid=46727029
617859;1397236844;ozbot;'weev' Conviction Vacated - Slashdot
617860;1397237214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
617861;1397238454;benkay;see also ibm and teh jooz: http://pcrcollective.org/?p=6994
617862;1397238556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00096454 = 15.4326 BTC [+] {3} 
617863;1397238610;thestringpuller;benkay:  you still around?
617864;1397238711;benkay;yup
617865;1397238734;mircea_popescu;TomServo perhaps his only good role. that's what the man was born to play.
617866;1397238771;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dude, weren't they supposed to extradite me ? this is a step in the wrong direction!
617867;1397238775;mircea_popescu;what will the forum say!
617868;1397238810;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: WHo knows? I mean apparently appelate courts care about piddly shit like "venue"
617869;1397238876;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ahkgc/i_am_weev_i_may_be_going_to_prison_under_the/c8xgqq9 link to the canonical "i won't be nearly as nice next time".
617870;1397238879;benkay;thestringpuller: ??
617871;1397238922;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
617872;1397238931;asciilifeform;what'd this one do ?
617873;1397238959;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: scraped a public web page and embarassed AT&T
617874;1397239087;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you recall, weev, althauser ?
617875;1397239096;asciilifeform;ah yes
617876;1397239191;Mats_cd03;is a twat
617877;1397239406;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: not sure if this is too personal a question, but were you born and raised in Romania? follow on question if yes - to what do you attribute your grasp of the English language, if it is not your home language?
617878;1397239415;Mats_cd03;12:56 — jurov delivered withering response to mpex rfc.
617879;1397239424;Mats_cd03;is this a blog post?
617880;1397239435;cryptolemming;Hi, anyone have info about http://www.bitcoininsanity.com/ ?
617881;1397239439;mircea_popescu;fluffypony yes. and i speak a number of languages, which i attribute to women.
617882;1397239446;jurov;Mats_cd03: no just a comment on trilema
617883;1397239455;mircea_popescu;almost as good as a blogpost...
617884;1397239574;fluffypony;cryptolemming: private domain registration and they're letting you buy Bitcoin with an easily reversible payment method?
617885;1397239583;fluffypony;bankrupt in 3......2.......1......
617886;1397239653;cryptolemming;sure,same preconceptions, just wondering if anyone has more in-depth info
617887;1397239655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00096471 = 10.033 BTC [+] {2} 
617888;1397239669;mircea_popescu;cryptolemming these aren't "preconceptions".
617889;1397239697;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBJESNw-P8s
617890;1397239715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0475 = 0.1425 BTC [+]
617891;1397239720;danielpbarron;cryptolemming: that's therealNano 's site
617892;1397239722;mircea_popescu;haha cool guy.
617893;1397239724;mircea_popescu;but not me.
617894;1397239758;fluffypony;yeah he looks nothing like you, just thought it was a funny coincidence
617895;1397239808;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron who's therealnano
617896;1397239809;cryptolemming;well, I mean, certainly a preconceived idea? as they aren't bankrupt or there is no real indication to assume they may be besides a reasonable assumption of what may occur?
617897;1397239845;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu: a #bitcoin-otc user
617898;1397239851;cryptolemming;feel free to insert what you thin is a more accurate word though, was still wondering if anyone had knowledge about the site and its owner
617899;1397239855;cryptolemming;*think
617900;1397239877;mircea_popescu;cryptolemming apparently you got a nick, you can pm him directly.
617901;1397239887;danielpbarron;cryptolemming: BCB said he has trusted the that site's owner with about 2 BTC
617902;1397239891;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust therealnano
617903;1397239891;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user therealnano: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=therealnano | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=therealnano | Rated since: Wed Jul 24 22:26:05 2013
617904;1397239916;mircea_popescu;apparently a coupla people i know trust him somewhat.
617905;1397239932;danielpbarron;ya, and I got some money on the line with him :/
617906;1397239959;cryptolemming;pming the owner will give me the owners opinions...trust certainly helps somewhat, thank you
617907;1397239982;fluffypony;cryptolemming: with a private domain registration, no. I'm sure someone can claim it's their site, but how can we know?
617908;1397240006;cryptolemming;part of the reason why I was asking here
617909;1397240011;thestringpuller;fluffypony: gpg verification...
617910;1397240012;cryptolemming;to see if anyone actually had any inf
617911;1397240012;mircea_popescu;cryptolemming you can start by verifying if ineed the person registered in the wot runs that site.
617912;1397240030;fluffypony;thestringpuller: yes, I meant without him opting in to trust :)
617913;1397240030;cryptolemming;yup, thanks
617914;1397240071;cryptolemming;many ppl here know many ppl I do not, felt like it couldnt hurt to ask, pardon the interruption then
617915;1397240114;fluffypony;cryptolemming: not at all, no interruption, it's just that it's not really within the scope of #bitcoin-assets :)
617916;1397240134;cryptolemming;then I don't know the scope of bitcoin-assets
617917;1397240147;mircea_popescu;neither does he :D
617918;1397240152;fluffypony;nobody knows
617919;1397240154;cryptolemming;my impression was that it would be relevant place to ask, if not the best?
617920;1397240154;fluffypony;except the nose
617921;1397240157;fluffypony;the nose knows
617922;1397240169;danielpbarron;cryptolemming: #bitcoin-otc is probably the best place to ask
617923;1397240185;fluffypony;or #dogecoin
617924;1397240187;fluffypony;:-P
617925;1397240201;cryptolemming;ponies and doggies, got it.
617926;1397240212;cryptolemming;i'll throw it out there, what is the scope of bitcoin-assets then if someone wouldnt mind answering
617927;1397240222;cryptolemming;so I know for next time
617928;1397240247;mircea_popescu;cryptolemming you can ask whatever the hell
617929;1397240271;cryptolemming;sounds inviting :)
617930;1397240273;cryptolemming;ok cool
617931;1397240287;mircea_popescu;i don't even remember wat the furthers out queston on record was,
617932;1397240292;mircea_popescu;but probably something i came up with
617933;1397240302;JorgePasada;damn, kinda hoped the price was going to stay down a couple more days
617934;1397240352;fluffypony;cryptolemming: http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/
617935;1397240373;benkay;cryptography, quantum computing, feminism, racism, eugenics, communism, socialism, capitalism, stochastic calculus, multivariate calculus, rockets, random numbers, state compromise of crypto toolchain...
617936;1397240386;benkay;modern natural philosophy.
617937;1397240409;mircea_popescu;i think at some point we calculated the total mileage of stale cunt in the world...
617938;1397240429;benkay;;;ticker
617939;1397240430;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 426.0, Best ask: 426.89, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 428.0, 24 hour volume: 54066.65501627, 24 hour low: 339.79, 24 hour high: 432.22, 24 hour vwap: 387.034644005
617940;1397240432;asciilifeform;fermi would smile
617941;1397240447;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ahgaga i was thinking the same!
617942;1397240459;cryptolemming;is that a gribble command?
617943;1397240483;cryptolemming;I do read trilema fluffy thank you
617944;1397240490;mircea_popescu;"no no, questi sono piccoli!"
617945;1397240500;mircea_popescu;yes cryptolemming
617946;1397240513;benkay;me too, JorgePasada
617947;1397240531;JorgePasada;benkay: I'll be at the meetup on Tues, you be there?
617948;1397240538;benkay;ofc
617949;1397240542;*;rithm wouldn't admit to reading trilema
617950;1397240561;mircea_popescu;why not ?!
617951;1397240563;JorgePasada;Sweet!
617952;1397240568;*;rithm is all out of pokemon tokens to read blawg
617953;1397240573;mircea_popescu;lol
617954;1397240597;cryptolemming;ppl actually buy tokens?
617955;1397240606;rithm;i need moar tokens
617956;1397240613;cryptolemming;*cough, rithm stop impersonating me and making statements
617957;1397240614;mircea_popescu;well if they don't i have no idea where this 200 btc came from
617958;1397240615;BingoBoingo;cryptolemming: Yeah, he usually writes moar than five things a week
617959;1397240620;cryptolemming;:)
617960;1397240624;cryptolemming;good for you mircea
617961;1397240631;rithm;should i just use tor and proxies
617962;1397240636;rithm;to defaet the token system
617963;1397240639;mircea_popescu;why buy nsa tokens ?
617964;1397240640;BingoBoingo;Also have to look through the backissues to ogle the centerfolds
617965;1397240657;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu might be keeping tor net alive single-handedly...
617966;1397240668;rithm;seems legit
617967;1397240679;rithm;i knew people used tor for _some_ reason asciilifeform
617968;1397240693;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Or MP is helping the NSA identify the cheap bastards
617969;1397240715;mircea_popescu;lol
617970;1397240724;asciilifeform;the other nice thing about tor is that the most ragged hobo can be nsa
617971;1397240735;asciilifeform;(how? exercise for alert reader.)
617972;1397240735;rithm;mircea *MIGHT* be a CIA plant
617973;1397240741;rithm;i'm not saying he isn't
617974;1397240756;asciilifeform;;;google the man who was thursday
617975;1397240757;gribble;The Man Who Was Thursday - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Was_Thursday>; The Man Who Was Thursday: Gilbert K. Chesterton ... - Amazon.com: <http://www.amazon.com/The-Man-Who-Was-Thursday/dp/1603863303>; The Man Who Was Thursday: A Nightmare by G. K. Chesterton ...: <http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1695>
617976;1397240776;mircea_popescu;rithm alternatively, cia may be mp.
617977;1397240780;mircea_popescu;god knows everyone else is...
617978;1397240847;rithm;sorry ONI
617979;1397240854;rithm;that's navy intel
617980;1397240858;rithm;railguns and shit
617981;1397240935;mircea_popescu;ha-hA!
617982;1397240969;mircea_popescu;so now : people in assbot's wot (l1 or 2) can get voice by id'ing with gribble
617983;1397240979;mircea_popescu;and once they do, they can also give voice to random noobs, like
617984;1397240990;mircea_popescu;!up rithm
617985;1397240990;assbot;Voicing rithm for 30 minutes.
617986;1397241047;mircea_popescu;the esteemed wao-ender TomServo jborkl and keonne are kindly asked to get into the wot so they may be seen by assbot
617987;1397241055;mircea_popescu;;;later tell decimation same goes to you!
617988;1397241060;mircea_popescu;;;later tell neil same goes to you!
617989;1397241068;mircea_popescu;!up gribble
617990;1397241068;assbot;Voicing gribble for 30 minutes.
617991;1397241077;mircea_popescu;shit you forgot to add gribs kako
617992;1397241078;rithm;hi
617993;1397241094;rithm;!up _aeon
617994;1397241094;assbot;Can't do that.
617995;1397241099;rithm;fuuuuu asbot
617996;1397241108;mircea_popescu;that is only for cool ppls :D
617997;1397241109;rithm;;;deauth
617998;1397241109;gribble;Error: "deauth" is not a valid command.
617999;1397241113;rithm;;;unauth
618000;1397241114;gribble;Your GPG session has been terminated.
618001;1397241174;kakobrekla;yea need to do something about gribble
618002;1397241227;mircea_popescu;wanna bet on who ids next ?
618003;1397241239;rithm;!up _aeon
618004;1397241239;assbot;Can't do that.
618005;1397241266;rithm;;;gettrust assbot
618006;1397241267;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask test40404040!59d42931@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.212.41.49. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user jcpham to user assbot: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jcpham&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
618007;1397241281;rithm;bloweth me
618008;1397241284;mircea_popescu;lmao]
618009;1397241331;kakobrekla;ok people are not getting it
618010;1397241333;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps good idea - but now the hobos will go straight to your mail
618011;1397241339;kakobrekla;step 1: ident with gribble
618012;1397241343;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's ok, i dun read it anwyay
618013;1397241344;kakobrekla;step 2: pm assbot "!up"
618014;1397241347;kakobrekla;step 3: profit
618015;1397241350;asciilifeform;instead of being publicly flayed here
618016;1397241364;rithm;nope fuck it i gave up already
618017;1397241366;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well... !up hobo you know ?
618018;1397241370;rithm;time for lunch
618019;1397241371;asciilifeform;lol
618020;1397241404;mircea_popescu;i suspect BingoBoingo will make a fortune in poopiesharpers from selling !up services.
618021;1397241412;benkay;;;ident
618022;1397241412;gribble;Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net', is identified as user 'benkay', with GPG key id 39F274AFBC7ACAC7, key fingerprint E908FB088F5FD6BB3581460F39F274AFBC7ACAC7, and bitcoin address None
618023;1397241422;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Everyone has got to have their hustle
618024;1397241440;mircea_popescu;!up yours
618025;1397241440;assbot;Voicing yours for 30 minutes.
618026;1397241448;mircea_popescu;that may be a problem kakobrekla
618027;1397241457;kakobrekla;!up general_concern
618028;1397241457;assbot;Voicing general_concern for 30 minutes.
618029;1397241469;mircea_popescu;!up _POST['user'] = "1' OR 1 LIMIT 1
618030;1397241469;assbot;Voicing _POST['user'] for 30 minutes.
618031;1397241496;kakobrekla;how is it a problem
618032;1397241500;mircea_popescu;i guess not rly.
618033;1397241517;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05226397 = 0.1045 BTC [-]
618034;1397241521;kakobrekla;you herp derp too much with it
618035;1397241521;kakobrekla;and you get
618036;1397241521;kakobrekla;!down mircea_popescu
618037;1397241521;assbot;Can't do that.
618038;1397241525;mircea_popescu;lol
618039;1397241525;kakobrekla;lel.
618040;1397241529;mircea_popescu;assbot goes down on me ?!
618041;1397241537;kakobrekla;apparently he refuses.
618042;1397241546;mircea_popescu;i couldn't take it anyway man, third time today
618043;1397241553;kakobrekla;:)
618044;1397241554;mircea_popescu;my penis is half digested by all the saliva
618045;1397241581;rithm;yeah i tried !down mircea_popescu first too
618046;1397241584;rithm;no workie
618047;1397241601;BingoBoingo;!up The_Butt
618048;1397241601;assbot;Voicing The_Butt for 30 minutes.
618049;1397241605;benkay;this'll change the dynamic somewhat.
618050;1397241616;kakobrekla;!down rithm
618051;1397241630;kakobrekla;yea it works like it should
618052;1397241630;BingoBoingo;!down Periscope
618053;1397241630;assbot;Can't do that.
618054;1397241632;mircea_popescu;lol poor guy
618055;1397241637;mircea_popescu;!up rithm
618056;1397241637;assbot;Voicing rithm for 30 minutes.
618057;1397241639;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 914 @ 0.00072305 = 0.6609 BTC [-] {3} 
618058;1397241645;benkay;!down rithm
618059;1397241650;benkay;excellent.
618060;1397241650;mircea_popescu;jesus.
618061;1397241654;benkay;!up ri
618062;1397241654;assbot;Voicing ri for 30 minutes.
618063;1397241654;kakobrekla;you can only down the ones that have been upped
618064;1397241654;mircea_popescu;!up rithm
618065;1397241654;assbot;Voicing rithm for 30 minutes.
618066;1397241656;rithm;it doesn't work anyways
618067;1397241658;benkay;!up rithm
618068;1397241658;assbot;Voicing rithm for 30 minutes.
618069;1397241670;rithm;i'm guessing because the nick differs
618070;1397241679;rithm;or assbot has bullshit trust
618071;1397241682;mircea_popescu;well i honestly do declare this makes -assets much closer to my dreamz.
618072;1397241683;benkay;!up the-rigging-boys
618073;1397241683;assbot;Voicing the-rigging-boys for 30 minutes.
618074;1397241694;kakobrekla;yeah wot nick must be irc nick
618075;1397241698;benkay;;;gettrust assbot
618076;1397241698;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
618077;1397241701;rithm;busted
618078;1397241710;BingoBoingo;assbot finally gets revenge on all those who put it on ignore
618079;1397241732;mircea_popescu;!up nanotube check out the cool shit kako did with bots!
618080;1397241732;assbot;Voicing nanotube for 30 minutes.
618081;1397241734;BingoBoingo;;;rate assbot 10 !up Periscope
618082;1397241735;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user assbot has been recorded.
618083;1397241758;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu  so far its worse than before.
618084;1397241774;benkay;we have a new toy now kakobrekla
618085;1397241777;mircea_popescu;lol.
618086;1397241778;benkay;wheeeeeee
618087;1397241785;benkay;!down benkay
618088;1397241785;assbot;Can't do that.
618089;1397241786;mircea_popescu;so, anyone think this is a bad idea ?
618090;1397241790;benkay;!up benkay
618091;1397241790;assbot;Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
618092;1397241798;benkay;huh does that expire?
618093;1397241802;benkay;!down benkay
618094;1397241802;assbot;Can't do that.
618095;1397241803;kakobrekla;lets see!
618096;1397241805;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: depends where the hobos now go.
618097;1397241808;rithm;probably the best/worst idea ever
618098;1397241812;mircea_popescu;!down benkay
618099;1397241817;mircea_popescu;whoa
618100;1397241821;kakobrekla;yeah
618101;1397241823;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla that's maybe a bit much
618102;1397241825;kakobrekla;nah
618103;1397241829;kakobrekla;ne upped himself
618104;1397241836;kakobrekla;became vounerable
618105;1397241836;mircea_popescu;oh i c
618106;1397241838;mircea_popescu;lol
618107;1397241838;kakobrekla;to !down attack
618108;1397241841;mircea_popescu;hahahaha splendid
618109;1397241844;mircea_popescu;!down benkay
618110;1397241844;assbot;Can't do that.
618111;1397241851;mircea_popescu;yay. splendid indeed.
618112;1397241859;mircea_popescu;we have a built in consensus building mechanism now.
618113;1397241864;mircea_popescu;whoever wants it can just up himself.
618114;1397241888;benkay;why would one subject oneself to that once in assbot's wot?
618115;1397241892;mircea_popescu;this is one of those rare cases where the execution ensmartifies the design
618116;1397241896;asciilifeform;what's next? 'lasers' command takes <target> ?
618117;1397241904;kakobrekla;lel
618118;1397241910;mircea_popescu;benkay maybe to see if there's a consensus on a given topic ?
618119;1397241917;benkay;so hi everyone
618120;1397241920;benkay;!up benkay
618121;1397241920;assbot;Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
618122;1397241934;benkay;just down me if you think im tardifying the chan plz
618123;1397241939;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, as gps coords
618124;1397241949;mircea_popescu;benkay pretty much something like that.
618125;1397241965;benkay;this is going to make people hammer their gpg toolchains out
618126;1397241984;benkay;some are indubitably going to break their own security
618127;1397242007;BingoBoingo;I'm glad I waited on finishing the IRC how to.
618128;1397242035;asciilifeform;last i checked gpg didn't wear out from use.
618129;1397242040;mircea_popescu;benkay -otc was +m in the old days too.
618130;1397242049;mircea_popescu;and it worked splendidly well.
618131;1397242055;benkay;;;later tell bitcoinpete things have changed around here. ident with gribble and then !up yourself with assbot
618132;1397242055;gribble;The operation succeeded.
618133;1397242078;benkay;asciilifeform: i'm talking about unforced errors. shortcuts put in to 'make life easier'.
618134;1397242079;asciilifeform;though i still need to do a robotic stress cycle test on the cardano trigger at some point.
618135;1397242082;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you writing it up ?
618136;1397242098;benkay;!t h rent
618137;1397242099;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (505 shares, 3.78750000 BTC), 7D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (2573 shares, 19.29750000 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00703072 / 0.00750000 (27353 shares, 192.31117008 BTC)
618138;1397242104;asciilifeform;(don't be sad, it's replaceable!)
618139;1397242106;mircea_popescu;!down assbot
618140;1397242106;assbot;Can't do that.
618141;1397242108;benkay;thieves i tell ya
618142;1397242112;benkay;!up assbot
618143;1397242112;assbot;Can't do that.
618144;1397242118;benkay;!up mircea_popescu
618145;1397242118;assbot;Can't do that.
618146;1397242125;benkay;only up oneself?
618147;1397242127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00096166 = 6.395 BTC [-]
618148;1397242127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
618149;1397242128;benkay;!up benkay
618150;1397242128;assbot;Can't do that.
618151;1397242128;mircea_popescu;;;echo !up
618152;1397242128;gribble;!up
618153;1397242128;assbot;Need a nickname.
618154;1397242133;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: In bits and pieces. Playing with a few different IRC clients as some research, but I'll probably shit it out client agnostic anyways.
618155;1397242136;benkay;;;echo !down gribble
618156;1397242137;gribble;!down gribble
618157;1397242137;assbot;Can't do that.
618158;1397242155;mircea_popescu;cause gribs has no autoritah.
618159;1397242167;benkay;could we get usernames in assbot responses?
618160;1397242172;benkay;handles nicks whatever
618161;1397242185;benkay;!up benkay
618162;1397242185;assbot;Can't do that.
618163;1397242189;mircea_popescu;hello and welcome pankkake
618164;1397242191;benkay;!down benkay
618165;1397242191;assbot;Can't do that.
618166;1397242195;kakobrekla;ok gonna do some fixes
618167;1397242203;benkay;did the consensus mechanism not take?
618168;1397242205;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla don't fix the down vuln thing it's splendid
618169;1397242207;pankkake;hello, I'm not sure how I feel about that
618170;1397242216;mircea_popescu;pankkake well if you feel it sucks do tell.
618171;1397242247;pankkake;does assbot also allow n+1s? i.e. I trust The_Butt, can The_Butt !up itself?
618172;1397242266;benkay;you can !up The_Butt
618173;1397242311;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.01793998 = 0.1256 BTC [+] {2} 
618174;1397242313;pankkake;true. I just haven't found any influx of annoying people making +m worth it
618175;1397242317;pankkake;!up davout
618176;1397242317;assbot;Voicing davout for 30 minutes.
618177;1397242322;kakobrekla;pankkake you need level 2 from assbot
618178;1397242339;pankkake;I see, so it can work
618179;1397242351;benkay;incentivizing wot usage
618180;1397242355;benkay;tie it into all the things
618181;1397242409;mircea_popescu;yeah what b said.
618182;1397242421;mircea_popescu;all it takes is for someone in assbot's primary trust to wot someone, he's now self-uping
618183;1397242432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 20 @ 0.0179789 = 0.3596 BTC [+] {7} 
618184;1397242495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 21 @ 0.00669999 = 0.1407 BTC [-] {2} 
618185;1397242536;BingoBoingo;So... basically the price of buttcoins has dropped to 0 BTC...
618186;1397242607;BingoBoingo;Obama might actually have to sodomize himself if he shows up here and wants to talk.
618187;1397242677;benkay;pankkake: it's an augmented +m
618188;1397242731;Blazedout419;ha
618189;1397242731;davout;ohai
618190;1397242748;Blazedout419;so just msg bot and you get a voice?
618191;1397242756;Blazedout419;what point does this serve?
618192;1397242766;kakobrekla;or pay BingoBoingo
618193;1397242774;Blazedout419;seems silly to set +m if it is that easy to get a voice ;D
618194;1397242781;davout;what's with the voice thing?
618195;1397242790;Blazedout419;this is my first time in this chan at that!
618196;1397242849;kakobrekla;its an assperiment
618197;1397242858;benkay;;;gettrust Blazedout419
618198;1397242858;Blazedout419;lol
618199;1397242858;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013
618200;1397242864;Blazedout419;;;ratingsystem getrating Blazedout419
618201;1397242865;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net . User Blazedout419, rated since Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013. Cumulative rating 253, from 115 total ratings. Received ratings: 115 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 121 positive, 3 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419
618202;1397242878;benkay;it's only easy for you 'cause you're deep in the wot, Blazedout419
618203;1397242885;Blazedout419;I get it
618204;1397242892;Blazedout419;didnt realize gribble was involved
618205;1397242896;pankkake;I updated my ignores, now /ignore -channels #bitcoin-assets -pattern HAVELOCK assbot
618206;1397242896;kakobrekla;;;this universe theinternets bitcoinotc wot can i has rating of ze Blazedout419
618207;1397242896;gribble;Error: "this" is not a valid command.
618208;1397242921;kakobrekla;lol pankkake
618209;1397242928;pankkake;deep in the wot, sounds dirty
618210;1397242935;Blazedout419;feels dirty too
618211;1397242955;benkay;"game starts at maxlvl"
618212;1397242981;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 46.09389664 BTC to 80`674 shares, 57136 satoshi per share
618213;1397243008;mircea_popescu;Blazedout419 it seems perfect in that' it's easy for the right people.
618214;1397243028;Blazedout419;fair enough
618215;1397243042;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.046 = 0.138 BTC [-] {3} 
618216;1397243066;mircea_popescu;but you know, i figure it'd take some time for this to be digested and so we see if it actually is a good idea
618217;1397243103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.01799242 = 0.108 BTC [+]
618218;1397243166;BingoBoingo;I swear I won't exploit journalists who want voice to discuss things... too much...
618219;1397243286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 663 @ 0.00017301 = 0.1147 BTC [+] {2} 
618220;1397243287;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0529871 = 0.4239 BTC [-]
618221;1397243318;BingoBoingo;http://www.bnd.com/2014/04/10/3155136/public-housing-resident-faces.html?sp=/99/166/179/
618222;1397243319;mircea_popescu;i guess we get to see how power corrupts
618223;1397243331;BingoBoingo;!up ozbot
618224;1397243331;assbot;Voicing ozbot for 30 minutes.
618225;1397243343;BingoBoingo;!up jurov
618226;1397243343;assbot;Voicing jurov for 30 minutes.
618227;1397243347;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 4 @ 0.14 = 0.56 BTC
618228;1397243418;jurov;always at your service with some impertinent quip ready!
618229;1397243463;BingoBoingo;robwhiz22: If you want voice ur gonna have to do butt stuff
618230;1397243469;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05298633 = 0.159 BTC [-] {2} 
618231;1397243492;jurov;;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:126d5a90e3e8f29b46f702e6f9322fc1620560c9fc57be6b2e9b5e84
618232;1397243530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0529858 = 0.106 BTC [-]
618233;1397243532;jurov;now this does not work too?
618234;1397243549;mircea_popescu;too ?
618235;1397243552;kakobrekla;it works
618236;1397243559;kakobrekla;gribble just cant say shit
618237;1397243560;jurov;oh it did work
618238;1397243563;kakobrekla;ill add exceptions
618239;1397243575;jurov;!up
618240;1397243575;assbot;Need a nickname.
618241;1397243575;mircea_popescu;not sure ozbot deserves one. his baits suck :D
618242;1397243578;nubbins`;;;aol i guess we get to see how power corrupts
618243;1397243583;nubbins`;oh blah
618244;1397243603;kakobrekla;"!up" is for private msg, "!up <nick>" is for chan
618245;1397243618;nubbins`;!up gribble
618246;1397243618;assbot;Voicing gribble for 30 minutes.
618247;1397243621;kakobrekla;cant have it any other way
618248;1397243621;nubbins`;;;aol i guess we get to see how power corrupts
618249;1397243622;gribble;i guess we get 2 see how power corrupts:-D:-D:-D
618250;1397243667;nubbins`;too much chatting going on in here, or what? ;D
618251;1397243715;BingoBoingo;<robwhiz22> wants voice. Do we bid and see who wants to sell out to the spammzor the cheapest? I'll sit this one out.
618252;1397243722;asciilifeform;lol!!
618253;1397243747;asciilifeform;mr. brokenrecord should pay.
618254;1397243749;nubbins`;hmm
618255;1397243761;nubbins`;was robwhiz22 the guy speaking in riddles about selling cardano flaws?
618256;1397243775;asciilifeform;nubbins`: read the pastebin?
618257;1397243792;nubbins`;i must've missed it. he actually coughed something up?
618258;1397243796;asciilifeform;nubbins`: that crap was him, one cycle of sockmuppetry ago.
618259;1397243814;asciilifeform;nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/mBLdFHzt
618260;1397243881;pankkake;;;view
618261;1397243882;gribble;#20297 Fri Apr 11 15:17:22 2014 pankkake SELL 1.0 Sennheiser HD 580 Precision @ 0.32227 BTC (Used, tested, new pads #eu)
618262;1397243886;pankkake;let's see if it works
618263;1397243896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0529874 = 0.106 BTC [+]
618264;1397243914;kakobrekla;why you selling those
618265;1397243935;pankkake;I have better headphones
618266;1397243941;kakobrekla;which ones
618267;1397243945;pankkake;HD 650
618268;1397243952;kakobrekla;aha
618269;1397244005;asciilifeform;anyone who is curious what mr. spam wants should put on gas mask and read the turd.
618270;1397244027;asciilifeform;it isn't hard to figure out.
618271;1397244033;kakobrekla;ninja is robwhiz?
618272;1397244044;asciilifeform;loudly and abundantly
618273;1397244048;nubbins`;stopped reading halfway through
618274;1397244063;nubbins`;didn't think ninjashogun was robwhiz22 tho, ninjashogun has been derping here for ages
618275;1397244103;asciilifeform;it's him. he even confesses to preparing a new muppet in the end.
618276;1397244118;nubbins`;!up robwhiz22
618277;1397244118;assbot;Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
618278;1397244121;nubbins`;oh, heh.
618279;1397244140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0529874 = 0.7948 BTC [+]
618280;1397244141;nubbins`;well, let's see what happens
618281;1397244141;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: How much did you sell out for?
618282;1397244148;nubbins`;BingoBoingo 0 satoshis
618283;1397244159;nubbins`;what can i say, i'm a lefty
618284;1397244162;jurov;<robwhiz22> Hi.  How does one get voice in channel, please?  I would like to follow up with Mircea Popescu on a proposal I sent him via email, to which he invited me to channel.
618285;1397244172;jurov;i asked him to pay 5btc first
618286;1397244175;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: I know you are an artist, but... that cheap?
618287;1397244185;jurov;you can ask more
618288;1397244199;benkay;the sweet sweet silence
618289;1397244199;kakobrekla;nubbins` how much for a buttcoin
618290;1397244202;nubbins`;i don't have any of those ;(
618291;1397244208;kakobrekla;ask your wifey
618292;1397244211;BingoBoingo;!up SatoshiJack
618293;1397244211;assbot;Voicing SatoshiJack for 30 minutes.
618294;1397244217;benkay;robwhiz22: the cost of admission is a sharpie in the pooper
618295;1397244241;BingoBoingo;SatoshiJack: Is ATC gambling a thing yet?
618296;1397244247;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: i'm not an artist ;D
618297;1397244255;kakobrekla;but still cheap nubbins`
618298;1397244262;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03640958 = 0.7282 BTC [+] {7} 
618299;1397244277;jurov;30minutes voice is not admission
618300;1397244289;benkay;entry? admission?
618301;1397244303;pankkake;rear entry
618302;1397244306;SatoshiJack;Getting there --- will be taking atc prob. by end of weekend..but you can play for free now :) and test the game play :)
618303;1397244321;nubbins`;30m voice is a sneak preview
618304;1397244338;nubbins`;^ aaaaaaand he blew it
618305;1397244352;nubbins`;just as well he didn't pay 5btc
618306;1397244374;benkay;well hey now let's give the man a chance
618307;1397244378;nubbins`;<robwhiz22> I don't really have anything public to discuss.
618308;1397244389;benkay;what is this atc game?
618309;1397244389;*;nubbins` facepalms
618310;1397244428;BingoBoingo;benkay: I'm not sure which is why I voiced him
618311;1397244429;kakobrekla;so why the voice then ?
618312;1397244430;jurov;http://thefreethoughtproject.com/5000-armed-militia-members-arriving-bunkerville-nevada-today/#JEMI4oQUBwtc5zce.01 and so it begins. or it's a hoax, dunno
618313;1397244431;kakobrekla;e.
618314;1397244434;SatoshiJack;SJ -- will be taking atc --- been mining like hell to get a little bank going --- working on the backend support for it -- don't have all the function of blockchain.info over @ blockr...
618315;1397244484;BingoBoingo;SatoshiJack: Well you don't want to leverage a block explorer too much. I mean how often has Blockchain.info been down this month
618316;1397244495;kakobrekla;block has everything you need to process atc shit
618317;1397244501;kakobrekla;blockr
618318;1397244598;SatoshiJack;True that --- we were using some of the api to push some transactions -- but for many coins -- we will have to host a daemon as well -- for cold wallet etc...
618319;1397244687;SatoshiJack;none the less -- we are supporting it and working out all the details as we can --- but any play we can get at the tables and suggestions on game play etc is greatly appreciated!
618320;1397244938;benkay;so uh rip out those avatars
618321;1397244963;jurov;just got an email from a coinbr user "i bought Bitcoin Hedge Fund on BitcoinBourse and want to list it on coinbr"
618322;1397244970;jurov;i was like god save us
618323;1397245038;BingoBoingo;I wonder if dotcoin would put a whole pumpkin up his pooper for voice?
618324;1397245058;SatoshiJack;LOL everyone hates the avatars :)
618325;1397245082;BingoBoingo;Just make an ncurses type interface. Everyone loves that
618326;1397245113;bounce;verily, a maze
618327;1397245114;SatoshiJack;I'm on it -- and with you -- code monkeys know not pretty ui...
618328;1397245115;BingoBoingo;www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/11/an-opportunity-for-readers/
618329;1397245140;bounce;so, uhm. how about a way to up and down the fence as needed, too?
618330;1397245140;BingoBoingo;Less graphics, moar text
618331;1397245212;ThickAsThieves;<+mircea_popescu> so, anyone think this is a bad idea ?  /// I'm conflicted
618332;1397245228;ThickAsThieves;what's the purpose exactly?
618333;1397245241;ThickAsThieves;to make sure we get no new blood?
618334;1397245243;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.035 = 0.105 BTC [-] {2} 
618335;1397245244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00096166 = 4.6641 BTC [-]
618336;1397245271;nubbins`;if not the purpose, certainly the result
618337;1397245291;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: To make sure new blood doesn't have GRIDS
618338;1397245295;ThickAsThieves;i'm playing devil's advocate here
618339;1397245297;ThickAsThieves;but
618340;1397245299;nubbins`;;;ud grids
618341;1397245300;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=grids | Original medical acronym for AIDS. Stood for gay related immune disorder. Not a word of a lie. I used to have GRID, now I have AIDS. by Coleman January 16, ...
618342;1397245307;bounce;I expect the goal was to silence trolls like the one filling today's log for a goodly while. hence the raising and lowering of the fence suggestion.
618343;1397245317;ThickAsThieves;if we wanted our own cool kids room, couldnt we make it and have it in sikrit?
618344;1397245340;nubbins`;or, y'know, +v on join with the option to -v if too noisy/stupid
618345;1397245351;bounce;there's +q for that, too.
618346;1397245363;ThickAsThieves;if initiating noobs is a value held commonly here, isn't this a problem?
618347;1397245365;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03699984 = 0.185 BTC [+] {3} 
618348;1397245369;nubbins`;right, yes
618349;1397245377;BingoBoingo;I like this. This is different, and interesting.
618350;1397245378;nubbins`;efnet didn't have all these peculiar channel modes ;(
618351;1397245398;bounce;THIS IS FREENODE
618352;1397245431;ThickAsThieves;yeah it's fun n all, i'm just unclear what the pros are
618353;1397245438;bounce;but a +v on join would work too, I suppose
618354;1397245459;jurov;!up gribble
618355;1397245459;assbot;Voicing gribble for 30 minutes.
618356;1397245461;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Stealth enough? https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/454705676640456704
618357;1397245470;BingoBoingo;!up Periscope
618358;1397245470;assbot;Voicing Periscope for 30 minutes.
618359;1397245486;kakobrekla;:D
618360;1397245506;ThickAsThieves;it also adds inconvenience, like if i am mobile and wanna lurk and maybe comment, i dont wanna have to auth and have all tools needed to do so on my phone
618361;1397245518;ThickAsThieves;\\rant over for now
618362;1397245530;bounce;not disagreeing with you there
618363;1397245542;kakobrekla;have a bouncer?
618364;1397245547;*;nubbins` shakes head
618365;1397245550;nubbins`;/ignore
618366;1397245562;nubbins`;it's not that hard ;(
618367;1397245576;nubbins`;too much static? tune 'em out
618368;1397245576;bounce;doesn't work on the log
618369;1397245594;nubbins`;so? :D
618370;1397245600;ThickAsThieves;so maybe we can be less passive about moderating
618371;1397245623;ThickAsThieves;like when minersdidit pollutes for an hour, a couple can say hey kako can you mute this fucker?
618372;1397245650;ThickAsThieves;which leads me to a pro
618373;1397245655;nubbins`;or !mute with the same conditions as !up
618374;1397245661;ThickAsThieves;it takes responsibility out of kako's hands
618375;1397245666;BingoBoingo;But...  but... Ologopoly
618376;1397245670;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00008 = 0.16 BTC [-] {2} 
618377;1397245673;ThickAsThieves;decntralize the responsibilities!
618378;1397245684;nubbins`;Olegopoly: when people named Oleg are in charge
618379;1397245684;bounce;moar ops? plus obligatory WoTlink
618380;1397245692;BingoBoingo;Extortion, Corruption... Delicious Buttcoinz
618381;1397245698;benkay;nubbins`: https://olegdb.org/
618382;1397245705;kakobrekla;-assets doesnt have ops
618383;1397245720;BingoBoingo;http://www.vox.com/2014/4/11/5605236/russias-deputy-prime-minister-wants-to-annex-the-moon
618384;1397245752;ThickAsThieves;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-11/nsa-said-to-have-used-heartbleed-bug-exposing-consumers.html
618385;1397245773;nubbins`;i don't really want -assets to have ops
618386;1397245780;ThickAsThieves;NSA never heard of responsible disclosure? sheesh!
618387;1397245786;nubbins`;next thing ya know, people start acting like sookybums and kicking people they don't like
618388;1397245794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03520005 = 0.176 BTC [+] {2} 
618389;1397245820;asciilifeform;everybody blames the mice.
618390;1397245856;benkay;well kicked from ones wot
618391;1397245860;benkay;not the chan
618392;1397245870;benkay;and if someone in the WoT likes the person, they get voice
618393;1397245877;benkay;it's purt darn permissive, nubbins`
618394;1397245910;*;nubbins` shrugs
618395;1397245914;nubbins`;let's see, i guess
618396;1397245934;benkay;there is now a hard technical prerequisite.
618397;1397245943;benkay;no more webchat users i imagine.
618398;1397245952;ThickAsThieves;13 people with voice
618399;1397245959;ThickAsThieves;welcome to the new order!
618400;1397245959;BingoBoingo;You can ident with webchat
618401;1397245970;nubbins`;!up *
618402;1397245970;assbot;Voicing * for 30 minutes.
618403;1397245974;nubbins`;bah
618404;1397245982;ThickAsThieves;!down nubbins`
618405;1397245982;assbot;Can't do that.
618406;1397245987;*;nubbins` cackles
618407;1397246001;ThickAsThieves;curses!
618408;1397246008;nubbins`;;;gettrust assbot
618409;1397246009;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
618410;1397246010;ThickAsThieves;when is our last supper?
618411;1397246016;bounce;does it even ask gribble for the matching gribble nick?
618412;1397246017;benkay;well, nubbins` can !up himself, and then anyone can !down him.
618413;1397246029;nubbins`;anyone except tat
618414;1397246034;ThickAsThieves;!up nubbins`
618415;1397246034;assbot;Voicing nubbins` for 30 minutes.
618416;1397246040;ThickAsThieves;!down nubbins`
618417;1397246058;nubbins`;worked that time
618418;1397246071;ThickAsThieves;silly
618419;1397246078;nubbins`;wait, you can only be !downed by the person who !upped you?
618420;1397246088;nubbins`;!down benkay
618421;1397246088;assbot;Can't do that.
618422;1397246090;bounce;!up nubbins`
618423;1397246090;assbot;Voicing nubbins` for 30 minutes.
618424;1397246092;nubbins`;!up benkay
618425;1397246092;assbot;Can't do that.
618426;1397246094;bounce;!down nubbins`
618427;1397246116;nubbins`;thoroughly confused
618428;1397246121;kakobrekla;you are
618429;1397246124;ThickAsThieves;so what if i make a script that up/downs nubbins every time assbot sets mose +v?
618430;1397246131;ThickAsThieves;mode*
618431;1397246142;ThickAsThieves;then he's muted?
618432;1397246146;nubbins`;i type /timer 1 /msg assbot !up
618433;1397246151;BingoBoingo;!up truffles
618434;1397246151;assbot;Voicing truffles for 30 minutes.
618435;1397246152;nubbins`;the chan descends into chaos
618436;1397246153;kakobrekla;if you !up yourself through pm noone can !down you
618437;1397246158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.037 = 0.111 BTC [+] {2} 
618438;1397246164;ThickAsThieves;yeah but i can up him myself
618439;1397246173;kakobrekla;if you are !upped from chan from someone else, everyon that is upped via pm can down you
618440;1397246194;ThickAsThieves;:/
618441;1397246212;BingoBoingo;truffles: Speak while you can
618442;1397246217;ThickAsThieves;lol
618443;1397246229;bounce;not sure about the 30 mins. if there's a !down...?
618444;1397246237;kakobrekla;you can atm still up yourself on chan after you up yourself on pm, i will make disable this nao
618445;1397246264;benkay;if you up yourself in chan you'll get auto-downed as well 30 minutes later.
618446;1397246279;kakobrekla;this will be no more.
618447;1397246282;nubbins`;how in the world would you up yourself in the chan?
618448;1397246284;truffles;umm
618449;1397246291;bounce;up in msg then up in chan
618450;1397246294;nubbins`;o
618451;1397246310;benkay;!up Mats_cd03
618452;1397246310;assbot;Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
618453;1397246312;truffles;didnt expect that itc :D
618454;1397246329;Mats_cd03;senkq
618455;1397246340;nubbins`;!down Mats_cd03
618456;1397246354;nubbins`;and this is supposed to cut down on cruft in the log?
618457;1397246365;benkay;volatility will never go away, nubbins`
618458;1397246373;kakobrekla;i dunno, todays will be pretty fucked nubbins` .
618459;1397246377;nubbins`;HEH
618460;1397246378;nubbins`;yep,
618461;1397246380;benkay;shiny toys etc.
618462;1397246394;truffles;no fun if every1 has one
618463;1397246402;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00007156 = 0.1431 BTC [-] {10} 
618464;1397246446;ThickAsThieves;;;estimate
618465;1397246447;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | 6500777905.29 based on data since last change | 6694125249.86 based on data for last three days
618466;1397246458;benkay;Mats_cd03: you might consider that WoT entry...
618467;1397246463;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 13325 @ 0.00006355 = 0.8468 BTC [-] {7} 
618468;1397246464;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05848999 = 0.2924 BTC [+]
618469;1397246471;jurov;indeed will be fcuked, there's no word about it here: http://bitcoin-assets.com/
618470;1397246486;benkay;jurov: BingoBoingo 's nominally writing something up.
618471;1397246488;jurov;or kako feared it woul met same fate as mpex rfc?
618472;1397246510;BingoBoingo;benkay: I am happy to be scooped
618473;1397246522;nubbins`;;;echo !up Mats_cd03
618474;1397246522;gribble;!up Mats_cd03
618475;1397246522;assbot;Can't do that.
618476;1397246525;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
618477;1397246543;benkay;are you actively working on it?
618478;1397246550;benkay;i just got blocked on building a vm so i could take a crack at it
618479;1397246555;jurov;;;echo ;;rate assbot 1
618480;1397246555;gribble;;;rate assbot 1
618481;1397246556;BingoBoingo;benkay: Doing baseball writing stuff, so go for it
618482;1397246646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 175 @ 0.0075 = 1.3125 BTC [+]
618483;1397246679;benkay;so let me get this clear
618484;1397246683;benkay;;;gettrust assbot
618485;1397246683;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
618486;1397246709;benkay;anyone on this (http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=SENT) list gets voice automatically
618487;1397246754;benkay;anyone in any of the next lists down, eg http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=kakobrekla&sign=ANY&type=SENT can get voice with ident as well
618488;1397246767;benkay;and anyone on either list can !up other folks?
618489;1397246768;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.058495 = 0.117 BTC [+] {2} 
618490;1397246769;nubbins`;incorrect, i didn't get auto-voiced
618491;1397246776;benkay;no it's not auto, my mistake
618492;1397246794;benkay;(can voice themselves via gribble and then assbot)
618493;1397246799;bounce;;;gettrust assbot benkay
618494;1397246799;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user benkay: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
618495;1397246814;kakobrekla;yes, if you are on the assbot list and you rate someone, that is Level 2 to assbot, so that user can up itself and up others
618496;1397246845;BingoBoingo;!up HeySteve
618497;1397246845;assbot;Voicing HeySteve for 30 minutes.
618498;1397246899;bounce;the 30 mins is going to make people hand out ratings to stop having to !up so much
618499;1397246906;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust assbot BingoBoingo
618500;1397246907;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 7 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013
618501;1397246913;benkay;doubtful.
618502;1397246917;benkay;up is cheap, bounce .
618503;1397246932;benkay;wot ratings are expensive, or should be.
618504;1397246941;benkay;;;gettrust tg2
618505;1397246941;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user tg2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=tg2 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=tg2 | Rated since: never
618506;1397247006;bounce;up is annoying to have to do every 30 mins, and so either won't happen or cause a +1 to make the 30 mins limit go away
618507;1397247013;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 70 @ 0.05969588 = 4.1787 BTC [+] {6} 
618508;1397247024;benkay;if the content is worthwhile, more ups will come forth
618509;1397247038;benkay;if you're so free with your ratings, have at
618510;1397247041;truffles;content of what
618511;1397247054;bounce;it's also going to cause bunchteen extra lines in the log, for that matter
618512;1397247073;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.06121619 = 2.265 BTC [+] {4} 
618513;1397247106;benkay;maybe.
618514;1397247110;benkay;who cares, though.
618515;1397247111;artifexd;I'm inclined to be more selective with my ratings due to them automatically giving voice to someone in here.  Asshatery is annoying.
618516;1397247142;benkay;ratings are your identity.
618517;1397247150;bounce;worthy of a bet if it could easily be proved
618518;1397247159;truffles;lol
618519;1397247166;benkay;bet on what now?
618520;1397247183;bounce;not everyone gets that. and it certainly puts the pressure on.
618521;1397247195;benkay;game starts at maxlvl.
618522;1397247200;mircea_popescu;jurov siounds hoaxy
618523;1397247263;artifexd;It seems to me, that the first advice anyone ever gets in here is "Get yo ass in the wot noob". Or something to that effect.  These new rules give some teeth to that advice and start a precedent. "You followed our first piece of advice to get in here. Follow the rest, too."
618524;1397247273;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves to make sure the new blood we get isn't all that new.
618525;1397247319;benkay;there's literally no point to hanging around here without being in the wot now if you want to participate in conversation.
618526;1397247323;benkay;listening's still free.
618527;1397247332;truffles;oh i c
618528;1397247333;mircea_popescu;the idea being that this isn't where you first hang out if you just heard of btc last week
618529;1397247347;truffles;thats what #bitcoin is for
618530;1397247349;kakobrekla;<jurov> or kako feared it woul met same fate as mpex rfc? <- no, we do it drunk on production and silently revert if it doesnt work.
618531;1397247360;benkay;;;later tell JorgePasada #bitcoin-assets just went wot-only for voice
618532;1397247371;truffles;no voice no chat?
618533;1397247390;BingoBoingo;truffles: No voice, whore self for voice to chat
618534;1397247398;truffles;umk
618535;1397247400;benkay;yeah sharpie in pooper, truffles
618536;1397247401;benkay;!down truffles
618537;1397247402;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves> if initiating noobs is a value held commonly here, isn't this a problem? << say this is college, not junior high
618538;1397247409;BingoBoingo;!up truffles
618539;1397247409;assbot;Voicing truffles for 30 minutes.
618540;1397247416;artifexd;benkay I have noticed that your first response to someone new is a gettrust to see how they relate to you. Not an "ident", but a "gettrust". That has said much to me.
618541;1397247417;truffles;tell me when the experiment is over
618542;1397247419;benkay;BingoBoingo: you gotta share
618543;1397247420;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with being 15, but you don't belong in the college dorms. they like... drink there.
618544;1397247427;BingoBoingo;!down truffles
618545;1397247439;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 8978 @ 0.00006302 = 0.5658 BTC [-] {2} 
618546;1397247440;benkay;we *all* need to see the sharpie in truffles
618547;1397247443;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves> it also adds inconvenience, like if i am mobile  << i guess you ask someone to v you ?
618548;1397247454;kakobrekla;bouncers.
618549;1397247458;kakobrekla;welcome to 1990
618550;1397247463;BingoBoingo;lol
618551;1397247472;mircea_popescu;<ThickAsThieves> which leads me to a pro << the pro is that it's impersonal.
618552;1397247541;benkay;!up Mats_cd03
618553;1397247541;assbot;Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
618554;1397247548;mircea_popescu;<nubbins`> wait, you can only be !downed by the person who !upped you? << you can only be downed if a) you don't meet the wot condition or else b) if you upped yourself.
618555;1397247561;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5489 @ 0.0000622 = 0.3414 BTC [-] {4} 
618556;1397247564;kakobrekla;b is gonna be removed
618557;1397247591;benkay;no more bash?
618558;1397247601;kakobrekla;>b) if you upped yourself.
618559;1397247604;BingoBoingo;NeoBBQ is down to four zeros after the decimal place.
618560;1397247622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00096229 = 2.8869 BTC [+]
618561;1397247622;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 15479 @ 0.000062 = 0.9597 BTC [-] {2} 
618562;1397247660;ThickAsThieves;<+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves> if initiating noobs is a value held commonly here, isn't this a problem? << say this is college, not junior high /// fair enough
618563;1397247663;Mats_cd03;https://soundcloud.com/edward-sharpe-mag-zeros/better-days
618564;1397247667;mircea_popescu;<truffles> content of what << should be his epitaph.
618565;1397247673;nubbins`;Mats_cd03: i saw those guys play in '10
618566;1397247673;ThickAsThieves;i've always been a fan of learning by doing
618567;1397247682;ThickAsThieves;if the voice thing sucks, itll show so
618568;1397247684;Mats_cd03;edward sharpe is super nostalgic for me
618569;1397247694;nubbins`;you can't bribe the future with nostalgia
618570;1397247710;Mats_cd03;i got my first bj in ninth grade listening to him singing at me
618571;1397247716;Mats_cd03;is nice
618572;1397247718;mircea_popescu;<artifexd> benkay I have noticed that your first response to someone new is a gettrust to see how they relate to you. Not an "ident", but a "gettrust". That has said much to me. << he's doing it right too.
618573;1397247729;HeySteve;hey I'm going to write on the baseball bet opportunity BingoBoingo highlighted
618574;1397247734;artifexd;kakobrekla: When did you start working on the auto-voice-by-wot feature?
618575;1397247736;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla whay!
618576;1397247745;mircea_popescu;artifexd last night
618577;1397247755;HeySteve;never done any online betting though, so let me know if there's anything important I should mention
618578;1397247769;BingoBoingo;;;google trilema mutual betting
618579;1397247782;BingoBoingo;!up gribble
618580;1397247782;assbot;Voicing gribble for 30 minutes.
618581;1397247791;BingoBoingo;;;google trilema mutual betting
618582;1397247791;gribble;Least likely to succeed character : The upseller pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <http://trilema.com/least-likely-to-succeed-character-the-upseller>; Trilenciclopedia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/trilenciclopedia/>; Februarie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/02>
618583;1397247799;nubbins`;;;echo !down gribble
618584;1397247799;gribble;!down gribble
618585;1397247799;assbot;Can't do that.
618586;1397247809;nubbins`;i give up
618587;1397247814;kakobrekla;you were upped ?
618588;1397247819;kakobrekla;i mean, by
618589;1397247823;kakobrekla;someone else
618590;1397247824;nubbins`;i can't remember
618591;1397247827;kakobrekla;!down gribble
618592;1397247830;nubbins`;find out in a half hour i guess
618593;1397247833;kakobrekla;yea
618594;1397247834;Mats_cd03;oh wait the person im thinking of isnt edard sharpe
618595;1397247835;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves from what i've seen, there are many noobs that read the logs and came with their homwork done. those were rapidly accepted and are a pleasure to this day.
618596;1397247837;Mats_cd03;wtf
618597;1397247851;mircea_popescu;there are also the folks that just stumbled in. not only those were never accepted, but are kinda still derpy, even today.
618598;1397247857;BingoBoingo;HeySteve: Prolly this article is important http://trilema.com/2013/lets-understand-mutual-betting-together/
618599;1397247857;kakobrekla;imma make bot voicing permanent
618600;1397247858;mircea_popescu;so there seems ot be a pretty clear cleavage.
618601;1397247871;Mats_cd03;nubbins`: what venue did you go to
618602;1397247878;nubbins`;lollapalooza
618603;1397247881;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla the part where you can make your voicing temporary is not so good, maybe
618604;1397247886;nubbins`;beautiful grant park, chicago
618605;1397247889;mircea_popescu;but really indifferent
618606;1397247899;mircea_popescu;the part where you can make your voice vulnerable to !down however is great.
618607;1397247904;benkay;;;echo !down Mats_cd03
618608;1397247912;benkay;!up gribble
618609;1397247912;assbot;Voicing gribble for 30 minutes.
618610;1397247914;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu  as said, it is already remove, just need to reboot the assbot
618611;1397247914;benkay;;;echo !down Mats_cd03
618612;1397247914;gribble;!down Mats_cd03
618613;1397247914;assbot;Can't do that.
618614;1397247914;nubbins`;heh
618615;1397247919;Mats_cd03;gettin all up in my shit
618616;1397247921;mircea_popescu;sux.
618617;1397247922;artifexd;Is there anyone who stumbled in, did their homework in class, and is now accepted?
618618;1397247927;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1151 @ 0.00071131 = 0.8187 BTC [-] {3} 
618619;1397247936;nubbins`;artifexd: me, i guess
618620;1397247948;nubbins`;although if you promise not to tell anyone, i didn't really do my homework
618621;1397247952;mircea_popescu;artifexd not afaik. the general reaction is to get butthurt over how dares there be homework.
618622;1397247969;mircea_popescu;mebbe the sa kid, fluffypony
618623;1397247976;mircea_popescu;!up fluffypony
618624;1397247976;assbot;Voicing fluffypony for 30 minutes.
618625;1397247984;*;fluffypony hears his name
618626;1397247988;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.063 = 1.008 BTC [+]
618627;1397248021;kakobrekla;do we want !up <nick> <min> ?
618628;1397248023;fluffypony;I'm of the opinion that one should only be butthurt if one has actual sharpies in ones butt
618629;1397248031;fluffypony;one's butt
618630;1397248036;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla nah
618631;1397248039;pankkake;what about multi !up
618632;1397248044;nubbins`;kakobrekla too complicated
618633;1397248051;benkay;30m is perfect
618634;1397248055;kakobrekla;nubbins`  you are stupid.
618635;1397248067;nubbins`;tell that to my uh
618636;1397248068;*;nubbins` thinks
618637;1397248072;kakobrekla;:D
618638;1397248072;benkay;if there's anything else worth coming out of those so upped, people can up them again
618639;1397248075;nubbins`;YOU'RE STUPID ;(
618640;1397248088;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you mean stupd
618641;1397248094;nubbins`;stipud
618642;1397248095;bounce;IMO, yeah. can keep the default 30 mins but an optional duration would be good
618643;1397248110;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.063 = 0.504 BTC [+]
618644;1397248119;*;bounce expects something like that'll be wanted before too long
618645;1397248127;mircea_popescu;!up peterl
618646;1397248127;assbot;Voicing peterl for 30 minutes.
618647;1397248132;mircea_popescu;dja understand how this shit works ?
618648;1397248150;mircea_popescu;uh
618649;1397248150;kakobrekla;dafuq was dat
618650;1397248151;nubbins`;a challenger emerges!
618651;1397248161;*;nubbins` scrambles to prepare a bitbet
618652;1397248172;mircea_popescu;he devoiced himself ?
618653;1397248176;kakobrekla;!up peterl
618654;1397248176;assbot;Voicing peterl for 30 minutes.
618655;1397248179;artifexd;A topic change would be useful.
618656;1397248180;peterl;hi?
618657;1397248187;nubbins`;HI
618658;1397248191;mircea_popescu;peterl did you just remove your own voice a sec ago ?
618659;1397248196;kakobrekla;dunno
618660;1397248198;fluffypony;artifexd: you mean like the actual channel topic? or you mean about what we're talking about?
618661;1397248206;peterl;no, maybe you upped me before I finished identing?
618662;1397248207;artifexd;Channel topic
618663;1397248210;mircea_popescu;the actual chan topic, and he has a point
618664;1397248215;ThickAsThieves;http://cyprus-mail.com/2014/04/11/cyprus-police-issue-arrest-warrant-for-bitcoin-entrepreneur/
618665;1397248217;mircea_popescu;ah right
618666;1397248221;jurov;!up ozbot
618667;1397248221;assbot;Voicing ozbot for 30 minutes.
618668;1397248225;jurov;.bait
618669;1397248226;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves omg are they extraditing danny ?!
618670;1397248226;nubbins`;/topic #bitcoin-assets msg mircea_popescu for voice
618671;1397248226;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/8ed68865335e0bc17beb67cd94862b99/tumblr_mt12kwXiBC1qhcgfoo1_1280.jpg
618672;1397248234;jurov;!down ozbot
618673;1397248234;kakobrekla;nubbins`  :D
618674;1397248241;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you're the liberal. they should msg you
618675;1397248254;peterl;so if we don't get upped for 30 min then we lose our voice?
618676;1397248256;nubbins`;no need, i may start upping on join
618677;1397248265;mircea_popescu;nubbins` imo that's a good move.
618678;1397248268;nubbins`;you'll never silence the voice of the voiceless@!#$
618679;1397248276;pankkake;is Cyprus Mail reliable?
618680;1397248280;mircea_popescu;no srsly, good thing.
618681;1397248282;nubbins`;!up mjr_
618682;1397248282;assbot;Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
618683;1397248291;mircea_popescu;pankkake well sort-of.
618684;1397248303;mircea_popescu;peterl read teh log cause it's all in there
618685;1397248329;ThickAsThieves;<+pankkake> is Cyprus Mail reliable?  /// dunno, it appears to be
618686;1397248346;nubbins`;how else you think people are gonna get their magazines full of neo ads
618687;1397248371;pankkake;some websites seems to take bitcointalk as a source which in turns takes the website as a source
618688;1397248378;nubbins`;smidge's quit msg is so cringeworthy
618689;1397248380;pankkake;kinda like wikipedia and newspapers
618690;1397248408;pankkake;remove the extra 's's
618691;1397248413;ThickAsThieves;smidge is cringeworthy
618692;1397248426;nubbins`;well i guess he should keep it
618693;1397248442;nubbins`;it's the irc equivalent of a "^ the man   v the legend" t-shirts
618694;1397248445;pankkake;his quit has been quoted on his fund's thread. appropriate
618695;1397248478;mircea_popescu;20 voiced. no more last supper.
618696;1397248498;nubbins`;i ever tell you guys my father in law is in a painting of the last supper?
618697;1397248514;mircea_popescu;!up thestringpuller
618698;1397248514;assbot;Voicing thestringpuller for 30 minutes.
618699;1397248514;benkay;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
618700;1397248527;nubbins`;massive triptych over the doors of the church i attended from kindergarten through grade nine
618701;1397248568;mircea_popescu;pretty cool
618702;1397248572;mircea_popescu;he paid for it or such ?
618703;1397248592;benkay;kakobrekla: feel free to link to that from bitcoin-assets.com
618704;1397248599;mircea_popescu;prolly needs a shortener
618705;1397248618;mircea_popescu;also explain the dynamics of !up/!down in chan
618706;1397248632;nubbins`;nah, friends w/ the artist
618707;1397248644;benkay;yessir mr mircea_popescu sir
618708;1397248663;nubbins`;i believe he was Thaddeus
618709;1397248676;peterl;benkay: that seems to say you need to be linked to assbot through WOT, but it seems others can give you voice instead?
618710;1397248688;benkay;yup. incomplete.
618711;1397248704;peterl;like, I don't think I have any connections in the WOT?
618712;1397248706;BingoBoingo;!up HeySteve
618713;1397248706;assbot;Voicing HeySteve for 30 minutes.
618714;1397248735;kakobrekla;!up mpexbot
618715;1397248735;assbot;Voicing mpexbot indefinitely.
618716;1397248738;nubbins`;several decades later, most of them are dead, in jail, bankrupt, etc
618717;1397248746;kakobrekla;!down gribble
618718;1397248746;assbot;Can't do that, kakobrekla.
618719;1397248751;kakobrekla;!up gribble
618720;1397248751;assbot;Voicing gribble indefinitely.
618721;1397248765;kakobrekla;!up ozbot
618722;1397248765;assbot;Voicing ozbot indefinitely.
618723;1397248769;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06499999 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2} 
618724;1397248777;kakobrekla;aha!
618725;1397248785;mircea_popescu;!up kakobrekla
618726;1397248785;assbot;Voicing kakobrekla for 30 minutes.
618727;1397248797;kakobrekla;meh.
618728;1397248800;bounce;based on what?
618729;1397248800;mircea_popescu;this is like the facebook like button basically
618730;1397248812;fluffypony;lol
618731;1397248829;bounce;[like] [+1] [+v]
618732;1397248855;nubbins`;;;echo !up Apocalyptic
618733;1397248864;nubbins`;dammit
618734;1397248872;nubbins`;!up gribble
618735;1397248872;assbot;Voicing gribble indefinitely.
618736;1397248874;artifexd;!up gribble
618737;1397248874;assbot;Voicing gribble indefinitely.
618738;1397248877;nubbins`;;;echo !up Apocalyptic
618739;1397248877;gribble;!up Apocalyptic
618740;1397248877;assbot;Can't do that, gribble.
618741;1397248882;nubbins`;BUT WHY ;(
618742;1397248883;mircea_popescu;haha
618743;1397248892;mircea_popescu;because gribble sux!
618744;1397248892;pankkake;kakobrekla: bots can probably be autovoiced by chanserv, provided they identify
618745;1397248908;HeySteve;what is this about assbot and WoT?
618746;1397248909;kakobrekla;oh yeah
618747;1397248926;mircea_popescu;HeySteve benkay  is writing a better article
618748;1397248930;kakobrekla;that would be better pankkake .
618749;1397248948;bounce;;;echo !up Apocalyptic
618750;1397248959;fluffypony;kakobrekla: is the 30 min counter fixed or does it reset on activity?
618751;1397248966;kakobrekla;fixd
618752;1397248974;mircea_popescu;reset on activity ?! what is this, cornucopia ?
618753;1397248985;nubbins`;you had me at corn
618754;1397248987;nubbins`;bbl, work to do
618755;1397248990;fluffypony;pornucopia
618756;1397248995;jurov;!up Apocalyptic
618757;1397248995;assbot;Voicing Apocalyptic for 30 minutes.
618758;1397248995;mircea_popescu;that, it is.
618759;1397249006;pankkake;you had me at corps nu
618760;1397249022;HeySteve;oh I missed the article. that's clear enough
618761;1397249024;fluffypony;http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/11/5605444/the-nsa-has-exploited-heartbleed-bug-for-years-bloomberg-reports
618762;1397249038;benkay;kakobrekla there's also #bitcoin-otc-events, the bot could listen in there for auth events for people in this channel and auto-voice
618763;1397249040;mircea_popescu;o, bloomberg reports ? heh.
618764;1397249051;peterl;how does it tell the difference between bots and other users?
618765;1397249071;mircea_popescu;bots are registered
618766;1397249079;BingoBoingo;HeySteve: Where do you write at?
618767;1397249117;HeySteve;http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/
618768;1397249135;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.06499999 = 3.25 BTC [+] {3} 
618769;1397249186;Mats_cd03;http://www.hillydilly.com/2014/04/chet-faker-built-on-glass/
618770;1397249186;ozbot;Chet Faker – Built on Glass | Hillydilly
618771;1397249255;benkay;anyone can down someone who's been upped, correct?
618772;1397249260;mircea_popescu;yea
618773;1397249266;pankkake;!down benkay
618774;1397249266;assbot;Can't do that, pankkake.
618775;1397249281;kakobrekla;anyone = people who were upped via pm
618776;1397249296;peterl;only the cool kids
618777;1397249310;peterl;can you !down yourself?
618778;1397249315;mircea_popescu;no.
618779;1397249315;artifexd;!up mircea_popescu
618780;1397249315;assbot;Voicing mircea_popescu for 30 minutes.
618781;1397249321;artifexd;!down mircea_popescu
618782;1397249326;Mats_cd03;https://microcorruption.com/ re-advertising for anyone interested in a memory corruption CTF
618783;1397249326;artifexd;lol
618784;1397249327;ozbot;Embedded Security CTF
618785;1397249331;kakobrekla;that is a problem.
618786;1397249336;artifexd;!up mircea_popescu
618787;1397249336;assbot;Voicing mircea_popescu for 30 minutes.
618788;1397249343;mircea_popescu;ok, that is a problem.
618789;1397249347;benkay;hahaha
618790;1397249353;kakobrekla;is what i said.
618791;1397249354;mod6;haha
618792;1397249360;fluffypony;heh
618793;1397249366;mircea_popescu;some people only understand what's said from experience you know ?
618794;1397249374;benkay;and we call those people...
618795;1397249383;mircea_popescu;!up benkay
618796;1397249383;assbot;Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
618797;1397249388;mircea_popescu;...
618798;1397249390;benkay;HAW
618799;1397249391;benkay;hahahahaha
618800;1397249401;BingoBoingo;Insufficiant corruption:
618801;1397249402;artifexd;Now THAT was funny
618802;1397249402;BingoBoingo;http://msn.foxsports.com/midwest/story/police-no-arrest-in-case-involving-mizzou-s-dgb-041014
618803;1397249402;ozbot;Police: no arrest in case involving Mizzou's DGB | FOX Sports on MSN
618804;1397249406;mircea_popescu;lol
618805;1397249418;mod6;it might just be better to /kick guys who spam the channel
618806;1397249420;mircea_popescu;anyway yeah ideally only people uped in chan can be downed in chan
618807;1397249475;thestringpuller;!up mircea_popescu
618808;1397249475;assbot;Voicing mircea_popescu for 30 minutes.
618809;1397249475;kakobrekla;try to down benkay now
618810;1397249480;kakobrekla;meh
618811;1397249484;thestringpuller;!down mircea_popescu
618812;1397249488;kakobrekla;you fuckied it up thestringpuller
618813;1397249494;thestringpuller;:( sorry
618814;1397249501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3197 @ 0.00096195 = 3.0754 BTC [-]
618815;1397249502;benkay;I eagerly anticipate BingoBoingo and my first !up !down war over truffles
618816;1397249502;mircea_popescu;so what am i trying hiar ?
618817;1397249509;kakobrekla;try !down benkay
618818;1397249516;mircea_popescu;!down benkay
618819;1397249516;assbot;Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
618820;1397249520;kakobrekla;aha. k
618821;1397249520;mircea_popescu;!up benkay
618822;1397249520;assbot;Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
618823;1397249521;mircea_popescu;!down benkay
618824;1397249528;mircea_popescu;!up benkay
618825;1397249528;assbot;Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
618826;1397249532;benkay;ey.
618827;1397249532;mircea_popescu;!up benkay
618828;1397249532;assbot;Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
618829;1397249536;benkay;no stop.
618830;1397249536;fluffypony;!up fluffypony
618831;1397249536;assbot;Can't do that, fluffypony.
618832;1397249538;benkay;staaaahp.
618833;1397249541;benkay;!down benkay
618834;1397249541;assbot;Can't do that, benkay.
618835;1397249544;mircea_popescu;!stahp benkay
618836;1397249551;fluffypony;!vengaboys
618837;1397249568;kakobrekla;fluffypony  :D
618838;1397249586;fluffypony;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlv672jqbtE&feature=kp
618839;1397249587;ozbot;Vengaboys - Up & Down - YouTube
618840;1397249588;benkay;;;echo !down benkay
618841;1397249588;gribble;!down benkay
618842;1397249596;artifexd;Maybe up should check to see if that person already has voice. If so, nop
618843;1397249602;benkay;faugh.
618844;1397249605;BingoBoingo;benkay: As long as we both get the butt it is cool
618845;1397249623;benkay;i suppose
618846;1397249655;benkay;i am going to quash that dumbass with aggression at the slightest provocation, though.
618847;1397249679;benkay;s/aggression/prejudice
618848;1397249682;peterl;I feel like all this !up and !downing is adding cruft to the chan ... this will go away when people are used to the new toy?
618849;1397249703;mircea_popescu;peterl hopefully.
618850;1397249703;benkay;will bitcoin volatility go down someday?
618851;1397249706;artifexd;Just working out the bugs right now.
618852;1397249710;benkay;testing
618853;1397249714;benkay;in proderption
618854;1397249728;thestringpuller;cowboy coding
618855;1397249728;benkay;time honored traderption for the assettes.
618856;1397249733;thestringpuller;;;ud cowboy coding
618857;1397249733;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=code%20cowboy | random A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z # new tv. trending. hipster · neknominate · lumpatious · tittybong · poopsterbate · dtf · spectaphile ...
618858;1397249734;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: code cowboy
618859;1397249749;BingoBoingo;I feel like we need a bot named Periscope now, but I can't imagine what it would do.
618860;1397249762;benkay;;;ticker
618861;1397249763;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 420.66, Best ask: 422.09, Bid-ask spread: 1.43000, Last trade: 422.1, 24 hour volume: 52601.17322849, 24 hour low: 339.79, 24 hour high: 432.22, 24 hour vwap: 387.971082833
618862;1397249773;peterl;a better version of ozbot bait?
618863;1397249778;mircea_popescu;ya srsly. upskirts.
618864;1397249809;peterl;maybe views from colonoscopies? Or is that too far up the skirt?
618865;1397249818;ThickAsThieves;btcusd is stoned
618866;1397249818;mod6;haha
618867;1397249823;ThickAsThieves;bitbet idea!
618868;1397249829;asciilifeform;from the crackpot brigade:
618869;1397249829;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: pop up and post porn when its upped
618870;1397249832;asciilifeform;http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch
618871;1397249832;ThickAsThieves;BTCUSD will be 420 on 4/20
618872;1397249832;ozbot;» Breaking: Sen. Harry Reid Behind BLM Land Grab of Bundy Ranch Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a wa
618873;1397249881;thestringpuller;wasn't that already a bit bet?
618874;1397249890;ThickAsThieves;surely not
618875;1397249895;thestringpuller;last year they did that
618876;1397249900;thestringpuller;when btc was ~100-200
618877;1397249905;ThickAsThieves;really?
618878;1397249916;ThickAsThieves;lies
618879;1397249917;thestringpuller;yea. is there bitbet archives? (closed bets)
618880;1397249926;ThickAsThieves;no you are right
618881;1397249930;benkay;check the search dropdowns, thestringpuller
618882;1397249931;ThickAsThieves;http://bitbet.us/bet/403/bitcoin-at-420-on-or-before-4-20/
618883;1397249935;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin at $420 on or before 4/20
618884;1397249999;benkay;check this out
618885;1397250003;benkay;http://otcdb.us.to/otc/?benkay
618886;1397250006;ozbot;OTC benkay
618887;1397250012;benkay;my first otc action was to get banned from #bitcoin-otc by gmaxwell
618888;1397250057;benkay;http://otcdb.us.to/otc/?mircea_popescu
618889;1397250060;ozbot;OTC mircea_popescu
618890;1397250063;benkay;mircea_popescu's is even more amusing
618891;1397250076;benkay;KICK_BY: gmaxwell (Stop troublemaking.)
618892;1397250109;pankkake;apparently this doesn't count #bitcoin-otc-eu
618893;1397250144;kakobrekla;-eu is the mother of -assets
618894;1397250175;mircea_popescu;why so amusing ?
618895;1397250206;benkay;explaining comedy's above my pay grade
618896;1397250211;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-froth-of-our-days/
618897;1397250212;ozbot;The froth of our days pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
618898;1397250213;benkay;rabelais something or other
618899;1397250216;fluffypony;well done
618900;1397250294;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1816 @ 0.00069999 = 1.2712 BTC [-] {5} 
618901;1397250324;benkay;anyways, !up !down dynamics
618902;1397250333;benkay;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
618903;1397250333;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model
618904;1397250451;fluffypony;KICK_BY: coingenuity (how about you listen to administrators instead of being an idiot.)
618905;1397250451;fluffypony;lol
618906;1397250471;artifexd;benkay Shouldn't the person need to be in assbot's wot, not gribble's wot?
618907;1397250487;benkay;jesus fuck
618908;1397250510;mircea_popescu;ima save thios for when he derps about my creative accounting and maffs.
618909;1397250571;artifexd;A link to http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=SENT at that point would probably be helpful, too.
618910;1397250616;mircea_popescu;i thought he had the list in the article.
618911;1397250625;thestringpuller;benkay: also "What do do" >> "What to do"
618912;1397250627;benkay;third sentence.
618913;1397250635;kakobrekla;well, there are 3 ways of fixing the up down exploit, i dont like either one so i will go with the second. bbs.
618914;1397250635;mircea_popescu;dodo
618915;1397250642;benkay;what doodoo?
618916;1397250658;artifexd;mircea_popescu: Yep. Sure does. Higher up.
618917;1397250721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5195 @ 0.0009623 = 4.9991 BTC [+] {2} 
618918;1397250729;bounce;deep doodoo. I kinda like that exploit. evidence of alcohol assisted coding, or simply not thinking the mechanism through... enough.
618919;1397250745;benkay;moar think
618920;1397250746;benkay;less type
618921;1397250756;benkay;fixed thank you all for your copy editing
618922;1397250843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1355 @ 0.00096451 = 1.3069 BTC [+]
618923;1397250923;benkay;!up Mats_cd03
618924;1397250923;assbot;Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
618925;1397250929;benkay;!down Mats_cd03
618926;1397250941;benkay;mode changes not muted...
618927;1397251011;bounce;I don't think I'd like russia, or the usa, or china, or any earthly country for that matter, to annex the moon
618928;1397251035;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/rabite/status/454728332463329280
618929;1397251035;ozbot;Twitter / rabite: Jews did #Heartbleed, by the way.
618930;1397251036;bounce;quick, build a spaceship, go there, and declare it its own country.
618931;1397251127;pankkake;the moon is going to be annexed by bitcoin
618932;1397251355;benkay;sweet silence
618933;1397251414;mod6;just put a giant solar array and ASICs on there.
618934;1397251705;Apocalyptic;<artifexd> benkay Shouldn't the person need to be in assbot's wot, not gribble's wot? // sounds reasonable
618935;1397251728;benkay;blow out your caches
618936;1397251736;benkay;shit's been updated for at least two minutes
618937;1397251740;benkay;;)
618938;1397251745;*;fluffypony fires up links
618939;1397252124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.0009619 = 9.1381 BTC [-] {2} 
618940;1397252368;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 42 @ 0.00785126 = 0.3298 BTC [-] {12} 
618941;1397253283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00096152 = 5.9133 BTC [-] {2} 
618942;1397253725;Apocalyptic;!up mike_c
618943;1397253725;assbot;Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
618944;1397253744;benkay;so i'm looking at these "ultimate gpg guides", and they all say to create a new signing subkey with rsa signing only and then delete the secret key. how am i supposed to decrypt without the secret key? is there some other key for en/decryption that gets spun up at the same time?
618945;1397253881;artifexd;kakobrekla: Does the voice-by-wot thing take into account the rating provided or just that a rating was provided. If ThickAsThieves rates someone -10, does that still qualify to give them the self-voicing ability.
618946;1397253908;kakobrekla;must be greater than 0
618947;1397253941;kakobrekla;level 1 or level 2
618948;1397253972;artifexd;What if mircea_popescu rates them -5 but ThickAsThieves rates them as 4? Does the balance count or does any positive rating win?
618949;1397253987;mike_c;kakobrekla: are you the right person to continue to harass about hooking up atc.blockr & x-bt?
618950;1397253993;kakobrekla;either one must be greater than 0
618951;1397253999;artifexd;ty
618952;1397254022;kakobrekla;mike_c  prolly
618953;1397254138;benkay;<gmaxwell> I don't think you should use 'satoshi' it's a stupid name for the base units. << gmaxwell inserting himself into the conformal project
618954;1397254143;benkay;christ on a shitstick
618955;1397254149;benkay;mircea_popescu: wouldja take a look at that
618956;1397254238;pankkake;benkay: you must be missing the part where the main signing key is saved on another device first
618957;1397254260;pankkake;basically the main signing key is only needed to sign your subkeys, and sign others' keys
618958;1397254267;benkay;pankkake: is that implicit in the key creation process?
618959;1397254283;pankkake;no, it's extremely not user friendly
618960;1397254292;mircea_popescu;benkay i don't think you should pay attention to gmaxwell
618961;1397254298;mircea_popescu;it's pretty much the only thing it exists for.
618962;1397254390;pankkake;also, a good tip would be to make your ~/.gnupg into a git repo, so that you don't fear making mistakes
618963;1397254404;mike_c;ok, here's my pitch before i get quieted :)  x-bt is awesome, has steady volume (and the most for atc), and atc.blockr would be cooler with those price charts on the top.
618964;1397254410;pankkake;(but then if you delete the secret key, delete the .git or it will stay in the history)
618965;1397254592;midnightmagic;yay
618966;1397254619;mircea_popescu;<mike_c> ok, here's my pitch before i get quieted << i like it how people always expect the worst.
618967;1397254632;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic welcome across the chasm
618968;1397254637;mike_c;well, i just can't auth right now.
618969;1397254642;mike_c;so clock's ticking
618970;1397254653;artifexd;!up mike_c
618971;1397254653;assbot;Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
618972;1397254666;artifexd;Have another 30 minutes. ;)
618973;1397254760;mircea_popescu;tiiiime is tiiicking awaaaaay
618974;1397255140;benkay;pankkake: mircea_popescu, any notion as to why debian et al. suggest i make a signing-only key in addition to my subkey that's configured for both signing and decryption?
618975;1397255230;Anduck;bah
618976;1397255236;*;Anduck hates assbot
618977;1397255327;mircea_popescu;Anduck wb
618978;1397255331;pankkake;all my subkeys do signing xor decryption
618979;1397255335;mircea_popescu;benkay because they're anally retentive wikiops.
618980;1397255382;benkay;rad.
618981;1397255392;benkay;thanks pankkake mircea_popescu
618982;1397255397;Anduck;hi mp
618983;1397255453;pankkake;when doing addkey, I can't have both, apparently. either sign only or encrypt only
618984;1397255473;mircea_popescu;!up akstunt600
618985;1397255473;assbot;Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
618986;1397255525;pankkake;and if you want to experiment, you can patch gpg to generate keys >4K
618987;1397255601;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00096335 = 6.6471 BTC [+] {2} 
618988;1397255614;benkay;that's neat.
618989;1397255629;mircea_popescu;not really very useful, but sure.
618990;1397255638;mircea_popescu;i recall usagi was at some point... SELLING privkeys.
618991;1397255638;benkay;why not so useful?
618992;1397255647;benkay;hahahaha are you serious?
618993;1397255664;mircea_popescu;if someone is going to break your gpg encryption tehy will attack the symmetric key not the 4kb rsa
618994;1397255666;mircea_popescu;and yes im serious
618995;1397255679;Anduck;whose privkeys?
618996;1397255692;BingoBoingo;I remember that thread
618997;1397255713;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=261066.0;wap2
618998;1397255714;ozbot;[WTS] Extremely Secure GPG keys
618999;1397255726;pankkake;Extremely Secure… oh god
619000;1397255779;pankkake;WOW your friends! AMAZE your boss! at least that is right, >4K keys are a good conversation starter
619001;1397256049;mircea_popescu;esp if you bought your privkey
619002;1397256053;mircea_popescu;definitely amaze your bos.
619003;1397256060;mircea_popescu;!up [\\\]
619004;1397256060;assbot;Voicing [\\\] for 30 minutes.
619005;1397256064;[\];hello kids
619006;1397256074;mircea_popescu;you just go !up in assbot pm
619007;1397256095;pankkake;that reminds me, I need to generate a new SSH key, too…
619008;1397256104;[\];but that doesn't do me long term
619009;1397256105;[\];:(
619010;1397256118;[\];script chokes on the [\\\] for the rating
619011;1397256127;[\];escaping special characters and all
619012;1397256338;mircea_popescu;[\\\] lol i guess trapped by your own cool ?
619013;1397256360;benkay;https://soundcloud.com/tdrloid/under-the-booty
619014;1397256363;imsaguy;;-)
619015;1397256386;benkay;depths of american culture
619016;1397256392;benkay;stack shit to the ceiling
619017;1397256567;mircea_popescu;!up mike_c
619018;1397256567;assbot;Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
619019;1397256568;bounce;hm. openssl and their own funky freelist thingy. doesn't work without it, which would've had a good chance exposing heartbleed. mitigation is a simple patch. been reported... four years back, nothing happened. (last paragraph) http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/analysis-of-openssl-freelist-reuse
619020;1397256586;artifexd;It looks like up doesn't reset the timer.
619021;1397256645;artifexd;Err... nevermind. It looks like it does.
619022;1397256805;joecool;well if they didn't write the stupid wrapper on malloc this would have been a non-issue as a crash would occur on most platforms
619023;1397256810;benkay;oh hey there's a countdown timer right on google these days
619024;1397256827;joecool;instead of a memory grab bag
619025;1397256830;BingoBoingo;I like how normalized +m is already
619026;1397256862;joecool;BingoBoingo: i wish OTC would bring it back fulltime
619027;1397256905;BingoBoingo;joecool: Nah, not much help when the place is moderated by trolls
619028;1397256939;joecool;coingenuity and [\\\] seem to be the only ones there who go hard on the trolling
619029;1397256940;*;bounce was wondering about how one got ops there
619030;1397256969;[\];lol
619031;1397256972;joecool;bounce: OTC? nobody knows, i remember when TLOT appeared one day as a staffer
619032;1397256978;[\];I troll yet you asked me about how to get +m in here
619033;1397256978;bounce;as in, likely obtained with a box of cereal or something
619034;1397256980;[\];good one
619035;1397256996;joecool;[\\\]: but i thought you knew that and accepted that fact
619036;1397256998;[\];err +v
619037;1397257000;joecool;i troll quite a bit too
619038;1397257005;[\];I don't troll much anymore.
619039;1397257008;bounce;TLOT?
619040;1397257013;joecool;thelordoftime
619041;1397257031;[\];I'm not on the -otc access list
619042;1397257040;bounce;oh right. that... person.
619043;1397257043;[\];I'm on many of the others though.
619044;1397257108;BingoBoingo;gmaxwell has to be a troll, and it is a miracle coingenuity can be op in a commerce channel
619045;1397257163;joecool;gmax is pretty funny
619046;1397257192;akstunt600;Oh wow thank mircea_popescu
619047;1397257196;akstunt600;hey [\\\]
619048;1397257230;[\];hiya
619049;1397257282;mircea_popescu;akstunt600 dja understand how this works ?
619050;1397257314;[\];akstunt600, the ops decided to troll the trolls
619051;1397257431;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 786 @ 0.00313681 = 2.4655 BTC [+]
619052;1397257838;artifexd;;;topic
619053;1397257845;gribble;http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
619054;1397257919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06053691 = 0.3027 BTC [-]
619055;1397257920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.0009624 = 6.7368 BTC [-]
619056;1397257948;Anduck;i don't think -otc needs +m =P
619057;1397257951;Anduck;it's good as it is now
619058;1397257980;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30176 @ 0.00096068 = 28.9895 BTC [-] {3} 
619059;1397258285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3302 @ 0.00095892 = 3.1664 BTC [-]
619060;1397258407;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 252 @ 0.00052619 = 0.1326 BTC [-] {4} 
619061;1397258468;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06499999 = 0.13 BTC [+]
619062;1397259261;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.065 = 0.39 BTC [+] {2} 
619063;1397259566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00096576 = 14.5347 BTC [+] {3} 
619064;1397259654;benkay;downsides: several steps to talk in -assets now
619065;1397259660;benkay;auth
619066;1397259662;benkay;everify
619067;1397259665;benkay;up
619068;1397259680;Apocalyptic;or you can be invited to speak
619069;1397259704;benkay;still, that entails a /query Apocalyptic "hey bud up me plz"
619070;1397259813;kakobrekla;use a bouncer
619071;1397259824;kakobrekla;anyway i got a patch ready
619072;1397259836;kakobrekla;no idea if it works, it prolly should, mostly
619073;1397259844;kakobrekla;i need to devoice erryone
619074;1397259848;kakobrekla;:\
619075;1397259932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00096886 = 19.571 BTC [+]
619076;1397260222;kakobrekla;break it nao pls
619077;1397260308;kakobrekla;!up mike_c
619078;1397260308;assbot;Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
619079;1397260316;mike_c;!down kakobrekla
619080;1397260316;assbot;Can't do that, mike_c.
619081;1397260322;mike_c;it works
619082;1397260394;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 8 @ 0.14 = 1.12 BTC
619083;1397260395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4998 @ 0.00096385 = 4.8173 BTC [-]
619084;1397260460;benkay;!down mike_c
619085;1397260465;benkay;haw
619086;1397260468;benkay;!up mike_c
619087;1397260468;assbot;Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
619088;1397260471;benkay;;;gettrust mike_c
619089;1397260478;benkay;!up gribble
619090;1397260478;assbot;Can't do that, benkay.
619091;1397260487;benkay;oh wait gribble's pissed at me for other reasons
619092;1397260496;mike_c;;;gettrust benkay
619093;1397260498;kakobrekla;naw, bots are special
619094;1397260527;benkay;well, gribble being pissed at me is a true thing anyways.
619095;1397260749;mike_c;;;gettrust benkay
619096;1397260749;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user mike_c to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mike_c&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
619097;1397260797;gribble;Unknown authenticator.
619098;1397260878;kakobrekla;small fix
619099;1397260910;kakobrekla;i think we are good nao
619100;1397261121;artifexd;!up benkay
619101;1397261121;assbot;Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
619102;1397261128;artifexd;!down benkay
619103;1397261135;artifexd;Hmm....
619104;1397261140;artifexd;!up benkay
619105;1397261140;assbot;Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
619106;1397261156;benkay;feature's still around, kakobrekla
619107;1397261208;kakobrekla;hold on
619108;1397261225;benkay;okay so more gpg derpery
619109;1397261245;benkay;got a master key, got a signing subkey
619110;1397261295;benkay;i push master key id/pubkey to keyservers?
619111;1397261309;benkay;then signing key?
619112;1397261316;benkay;then point gribble at the signing key?
619113;1397261331;benkay;or the master key?
619114;1397261364;benkay;mircea_popescu pankkake ping
619115;1397261474;pankkake;if you push the master key id it will push everything, at least by default
619116;1397261506;benkay;send-keys seems to fail for some reason
619117;1397261526;pankkake;and you give gribble the master key id. however, you can then sign/decrypt with the other keys by themselves
619118;1397261556;kakobrekla;ah i see what the problem is
619119;1397261592;benkay;mkay lets try this again...
619120;1397261613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29284 @ 0.00096801 = 28.3472 BTC [+] {5} 
619121;1397261614;pankkake;perhaps you have a wrong keyserver in the config
619122;1397261705;benkay;keys.gnupg.net?
619123;1397261712;benkay;no, it's pushing correctly - my mistake.
619124;1397261728;pankkake;https://sks-keyservers.net/
619125;1397261730;ozbot;SKS Keyservers
619126;1397261736;pankkake;I'm falling asleep, nighty night
619127;1397261760;benkay;fuck everything gpg says my sig is fine fuck you gribble
619128;1397261779;benkay;night pankkake
619129;1397261794;pankkake;if you just pushed, it might take a while for it to appear in all the servers
619130;1397261841;benkay;i'll give it a few, thanks, pankkake
619131;1397262020;kakobrekla;!up mike_c
619132;1397262020;assbot;Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
619133;1397262044;kakobrekla;!up benkay
619134;1397262044;assbot;Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
619135;1397262049;kakobrekla;wtff
619136;1397262051;kakobrekla;no.
619137;1397262055;mike_c;;;echo drunk in production
619138;1397262072;BingoBoingo;“If you pay $7,500, you ought to be able to bring out a quesadilla,” Miller said.
619139;1397262114;kakobrekla;!up assbot
619140;1397262114;assbot;Can't do that, kakobrekla.
619141;1397262120;kakobrekla;!up benkay
619142;1397262120;assbot;kakobrekla, benkay is already voiced.
619143;1397262124;kakobrekla;!up benkay
619144;1397262124;assbot;kakobrekla, benkay is already voiced.
619145;1397262171;BingoBoingo;!down benkay
619146;1397262171;assbot;Can't do that, BingoBoingo.
619147;1397262286;benkay;!down benkay
619148;1397262286;assbot;Can't do that, benkay.
619149;1397262290;benkay;!up benkay
619150;1397262290;assbot;benkay, benkay is already voiced.
619151;1397262310;benkay;!up gribble
619152;1397262310;assbot;Can't do that, benkay.
619153;1397262316;benkay;;;ticker
619154;1397262325;kakobrekla;lel
619155;1397263000;kakobrekla;benkay do !up on pvt
619156;1397263095;benkay;kakobrekla: done
619157;1397263100;benkay;!up kakobrekla
619158;1397263100;assbot;Voicing kakobrekla for 30 minutes.
619159;1397263111;kakobrekla;i dont cunt
619160;1397263116;kakobrekla;!up benkay
619161;1397263116;assbot;Can't do that, kakobrekla.
619162;1397263121;benkay;huehuehue
619163;1397263123;artifexd;!up benkay
619164;1397263123;assbot;Can't do that, artifexd.
619165;1397263128;kakobrekla;good
619166;1397263131;artifexd;!down benkay
619167;1397263131;assbot;artifexd, benkay is not voiced.
619168;1397263132;benkay;!up artifexd
619169;1397263132;assbot;Can't do that, benkay.
619170;1397263137;benkay;!down artifexed
619171;1397263137;assbot;benkay, artifexed is not voiced.
619172;1397263150;kakobrekla;what.
619173;1397263154;benkay;funny, why do i get to up kako?
619174;1397263156;kakobrekla;ok more fail
619175;1397263158;benkay;!down kakobrekla
619176;1397263162;benkay;!up ka
619177;1397263162;assbot;Voicing ka for 30 minutes.
619178;1397263164;benkay;!up kakobrekla
619179;1397263164;assbot;Voicing kakobrekla for 30 minutes.
619180;1397263172;benkay;dem edge cases
619181;1397263192;kakobrekla;what is happening to me is ok
619182;1397263199;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00096337 = 11.6568 BTC [-]
619183;1397263199;kakobrekla;i wasnt authed by assbot
619184;1397263201;kakobrekla;yet
619185;1397263215;kakobrekla;now i am
619186;1397263222;kakobrekla;try to down
619187;1397263222;kakobrekla;me
619188;1397263230;artifexd;!down kakobrekla
619189;1397263230;assbot;Can't do that, artifexd.
619190;1397263236;artifexd;!up kakobrekla
619191;1397263236;assbot;artifexd, kakobrekla is already voiced.
619192;1397263248;kakobrekla;!up benkay
619193;1397263248;assbot;Can't do that, kakobrekla.
619194;1397263252;artifexd;!up benkay
619195;1397263252;assbot;Can't do that, artifexd.
619196;1397263252;kakobrekla;meh
619197;1397263258;kakobrekla;something is up with benkay .
619198;1397263263;artifexd;!down kakobrekla
619199;1397263263;assbot;Can't do that, artifexd.
619200;1397263289;artifexd;Seems like it is working fine.
619201;1397263296;kakobrekla;i dunno
619202;1397263298;mircea_popescu;!up mircea_popescu
619203;1397263298;assbot;Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
619204;1397263304;mircea_popescu;aww, that went away huh ?
619205;1397263308;kakobrekla;yea
619206;1397263314;mircea_popescu;awell
619207;1397263321;artifexd;benkay is already voiced so I can't up him, right?
619208;1397263336;kakobrekla;!down benkay
619209;1397263336;assbot;kakobrekla, benkay is not voiced.
619210;1397263340;kakobrekla;^^
619211;1397263346;kakobrekla;stupid assbot
619212;1397263351;artifexd;!down ArtyFact
619213;1397263351;assbot;artifexd, ArtyFact is not voiced.
619214;1397263363;artifexd;!down mircea_popescu
619215;1397263363;assbot;artifexd, mircea_popescu is not voiced.
619216;1397263372;mircea_popescu;ha-ha!
619217;1397263382;kakobrekla;yea yea ill debug
619218;1397263399;mircea_popescu;i totaly loved the fact that one could voice self thus becoming vulnerable to devoicing by others.
619219;1397263435;artifexd;But you didn't like that one could be revoiced by others thus becoming vulnerable to devoicing by others?
619220;1397263443;asciilifeform;that was neat, bring it back kako
619221;1397263458;mircea_popescu;artifexd correct.
619222;1397263462;kakobrekla;selfpwning?
619223;1397263471;benkay;selfpwning is great.
619224;1397263472;mircea_popescu;selfpwning should be allowed.
619225;1397263486;kakobrekla;you guise are unserial
619226;1397263504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5945 = 1.189 BTC [-]
619227;1397263507;benkay;serialized to the wire
619228;1397263516;mircea_popescu;unreals
619229;1397263609;kakobrekla;i might do another reboot later on.
619230;1397263810;benkay;kakobrekla: can you get gribble voiced in here in the meantime?
619231;1397263819;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/
619232;1397263824;mircea_popescu;!up gribble
619233;1397263824;assbot;Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
619234;1397263829;mircea_popescu;o.o
619235;1397263842;mircea_popescu;!up Duffer1
619236;1397263842;assbot;Voicing Duffer1 for 30 minutes.
619237;1397264077;mircea_popescu;benkay dat 2fa thing. wow.
619238;1397264112;benkay;whattabout it?
619239;1397264112;asciilifeform;jurov: http://trilema.com/2014/mpexrfc1/#comment-98982 << i must note that i can't stop a determined idiot from pulling his ROM and stowing the key somewhere
619240;1397264131;mircea_popescu;benkay srsly, social engineering attack, emptied wallet ?
619241;1397264136;Duffer1;ni hao?
619242;1397264139;mircea_popescu;ppl won't read.
619243;1397264150;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 you gotta id with gribble and pm assbot !up
619244;1397264171;benkay;what 2fa thing are we talking about? that which my boys decrappified or the blockchain 2fa breach?
619245;1397264192;mircea_popescu;latter.
619246;1397264203;benkay;kinda unreal, right?
619247;1397264212;mircea_popescu;yea.
619248;1397264212;benkay;gulag?
619249;1397264226;mircea_popescu;we have a security feature which we'll turn off.
619250;1397264232;mircea_popescu;it's secure in the sense of... um...
619251;1397264236;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06201312 = 0.3101 BTC [-]
619252;1397264256;mircea_popescu;"my gf would never cheat on me. unless someone asked her to, of course."
619253;1397264343;Duffer1;thanks for the heads up mircea i'll check it out after i get something to eat
619254;1397264387;benkay;that's what happened.
619255;1397264397;benkay;blockchain owes the poor doctors in a big way.
619256;1397264462;mircea_popescu;how much are they out anyway ?
619257;1397264620;benkay;143.94
619258;1397264626;benkay;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_the-tragedy-of-remote-hands-canadian-bitcoins-robbed-of-14394.html
619259;1397264639;benkay;doh no not that
619260;1397264690;benkay;mircea_popescu: "almost 23.5"
619261;1397264710;benkay;almost an mpex seat lol
619262;1397264757;mircea_popescu;sux.
619263;1397264892;kakobrekla;hm
619264;1397264909;kakobrekla;why is chanserv so evil
619265;1397264944;benkay;cuz freenode
619266;1397264947;benkay;;;lasers
619267;1397264947;gribble;┌� ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
619268;1397264955;benkay;ha neat
619269;1397265029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00095967 = 4.6064 BTC [-] {2} 
619270;1397265121;gribble;!up nanotube
619271;1397265121;assbot;Can't do that, gribble.
619272;1397265165;kakobrekla;bah
619273;1397265173;gribble;kakobrekla mircea_popescu nice re assbot and voice stuff. :)
619274;1397265207;kakobrekla;apparently freenode will force devoice when you change nicks
619275;1397265214;kakobrekla;i didnt know that, neeed to change some things.
619276;1397265220;gribble;how does one gain voice without having it, though? can't send !up t channel.
619277;1397265221;kakobrekla;thanks gribble
619278;1397265237;kakobrekla;!up on pm or !up <nick> on chan
619279;1397265237;assbot;Voicing on for 30 minutes.
619280;1397265242;kakobrekla;o cmon.
619281;1397265287;gribble;ah up in pm, ic.
619282;1397265455;benkay;;;lasers
619283;1397265455;gribble;┌� ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
619284;1397265459;benkay;still works!
619285;1397265552;mircea_popescu;nanotube you send it via pm
619286;1397265571;mircea_popescu;!up nanotube
619287;1397265571;assbot;Voicing nanotube for 30 minutes.
619288;1397265582;mircea_popescu;!up cgcardona_
619289;1397265582;assbot;Voicing cgcardona_ for 30 minutes.
619290;1397265597;cgcardona_;mircea_popescu: :-] thank you sir
619291;1397265615;mircea_popescu;sure
619292;1397265622;nanotube;mircea_popescu, yea kakobrekla already told me. :) cool stuff.
619293;1397265658;mircea_popescu;it seems very clever, im curious if it'll end in tears
619294;1397265699;mircea_popescu;!up KRS-1
619295;1397265699;assbot;Voicing KRS-1 for 30 minutes.
619296;1397265850;artifexd;Is the wot chain examined once and cached forever (or X amount of time) or each time someone issues an up command?
619297;1397265872;mircea_popescu;artifexd i imagine assbot queries gribble, which caches for about half a minute iirc.
619298;1397265976;artifexd;Ok. I was wondering about if someone gets rated, such that he/she can self-voice, and then turns out to be an asshat, will unrating them remove their self-voicing ability.
619299;1397266015;mircea_popescu;pretty sure, but voice stays with the session
619300;1397266073;KRS-1;thx
619301;1397266076;artifexd;Seems the logical approach.
619302;1397266092;mircea_popescu;you in the wot KRS-1  ?
619303;1397266110;mircea_popescu;artifexd tbh i suspect this is more of an anti-derpage measure than an anti-asshat measure
619304;1397266131;KRS-1;yea but i lost my damned key when my life got turned upside down recently..been going through some shit personally
619305;1397266142;mircea_popescu;that sucks
619306;1397266148;KRS-1;wondering when its going to f'n stop
619307;1397266351;benkay;i wonder if there's a critical mass in here to keep conversational inertia
619308;1397266354;asciilifeform;i often wonder when people will succumb to the temptation to... implant their keys.
619309;1397266366;KRS-1;what happens to my abortioned wot account
619310;1397266379;cgcardona_;mircea_popescu: the other day you mentioned w/ regards to reincarnation/afterlife/nirvana having people hash by hand until they find a block. I've been thinking about that. I'm guessing the difficulty would be based on their overall level of derpage?
619311;1397266433;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ many years ago, towards the end of training this english major / drama girl how to math, she had to do multiplications, 10 digit by 10 digit
619312;1397266446;mircea_popescu;pen on paper. she could go through a few dozen befpre falling over
619313;1397266451;mircea_popescu;that'd be just about enough for... one hash.
619314;1397266466;KRS-1;might as well rely on intuition or magic.
619315;1397266480;mircea_popescu;KRS-1 did you also have a btc addy registered ?
619316;1397266506;KRS-1;yes im pretty sure
619317;1397266523;mircea_popescu;benkay s/mass/ass!
619318;1397266538;mircea_popescu;KRS-1 then you can just log with the btc addy and reg a new gpg key.
619319;1397266550;KRS-1;ok
619320;1397266551;mircea_popescu;prolly should do that asap, too, before you also lose the key
619321;1397266561;mircea_popescu;the addy i mean.
619322;1397266592;KRS-1;mircea_popescu did you patch your ssl
619323;1397266614;mircea_popescu;nope
619324;1397266643;KRS-1;what did jurov say anything? its pretty important
619325;1397266726;mircea_popescu;KRS-1 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2014#609785
619326;1397266731;mircea_popescu;and afaik jurov patched it.
619327;1397266805;KRS-1;oh good
619328;1397266809;mircea_popescu;!up dub
619329;1397266809;assbot;Voicing dub for 30 minutes.
619330;1397266840;mircea_popescu;dub : id with gribble and pm assbot !up
619331;1397266845;dub;!up G's
619332;1397266845;assbot;Can't do that, dub.
619333;1397266851;dub;!down Ho's
619334;1397266851;assbot;dub, Ho's is not voiced.
619335;1397266859;benkay;oh you
619336;1397266864;mircea_popescu;lol
619337;1397266866;benkay;hey everyone half a minute of your attention
619338;1397266868;benkay;;;ident
619339;1397266868;gribble;Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net', is identified as user 'benkay', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
619340;1397266873;benkay;^^ new key
619341;1397266874;dub;cbf spinning up vm to auth
619342;1397266891;mircea_popescu;benkay what happened ot the old one
619343;1397266891;benkay;signed statement regarding keys: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_names-keys.html
619344;1397266903;benkay;absolutely nothing.
619345;1397266918;mircea_popescu;no way ?! vulpe being fox in romanian
619346;1397266921;mircea_popescu;!up AndrewJackson
619347;1397266921;assbot;Voicing AndrewJackson for 30 minutes.
619348;1397266939;benkay;and if anyone cares to stare at my ugly mug, http://cascadianhacker.com/about.html
619349;1397266971;mircea_popescu;we were looking forward for teh lady vulpes
619350;1397266978;benkay;may i improve your experience in any way before i jet over to the parents to make my little brother's new girlfriend exceedingly uncomfortable?
619351;1397266982;benkay;you've seen plenty of her, mircea_popescu
619352;1397267017;mircea_popescu;lol who are we to stand in the way of the disconfort of your little brother's gf.
619353;1397267046;benkay;ye've a few minutes yet
619354;1397267048;mircea_popescu;also i wonder what level btc must reach for benkay to afford windows.
619355;1397267061;benkay;2mil
619356;1397267087;mircea_popescu;that halfway dirty cloth thing...
619357;1397267094;mircea_popescu;i mean the rooflessness i can see, it's for the hairdo
619358;1397267125;mircea_popescu;in other news : http://szabo.best.vwh.net/seals.html szabo is a pleasure to read, like an encyclopedia.
619359;1397267190;mircea_popescu;lmao
619360;1397267191;benkay;har as if lady v would tolerate such inadequate drapes
619361;1397267209;mircea_popescu;!up [\\\]
619362;1397267209;assbot;Voicing [\\\] for 30 minutes.
619363;1397267215;[\];the bot is shit
619364;1397267216;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: Ross Anderson's 'security engineering' ch. 14 'seals.'
619365;1397267217;mircea_popescu;funnily, here it works
619366;1397267222;[\];#justsayin
619367;1397267225;asciilifeform;https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SEv2-c14.pdf
619368;1397267233;[\];it didin't work as assbot_sucks either
619369;1397267234;asciilifeform;(yes pdf)
619370;1397267248;[\];[2014/04/11 20:45:59] <assbot_sucks> !up
619371;1397267248;[\];[2014/04/11 20:46:01] <assbot> You must auth with gribble first.
619372;1397267254;[\];[2014/04/11 20:46:16] <assbot_sucks> !up
619373;1397267254;[\];[2014/04/11 20:46:17] <assbot> You must auth with gribble first.
619374;1397267266;[\];but I was auth'd the whole time
619375;1397267272;mircea_popescu;;;ident [\\\]
619376;1397267272;gribble;Error: "\\\" is not a valid command.
619377;1397267276;[\];heh
619378;1397267277;mircea_popescu;well...
619379;1397267279;[\];;;ident
619380;1397267279;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick '[\\\]', with hostmask '[\\\]!\\\]@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
619381;1397267281;[\];well
619382;1397267281;mircea_popescu;which bot.
619383;1397267285;[\];learn to escape
619384;1397267304;[\];;;ident "[\\\\\\]"
619385;1397267305;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick '[\\\]', with hostmask '[\\\]!\\\]@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
619386;1397267310;mircea_popescu;actually the hostmask is borked
619387;1397267319;[\];its been borked
619388;1397267324;[\];doesn't affect my auth
619389;1397267332;[\];your bot doesn't handle special characters
619390;1397267334;[\];thats a security issue
619391;1397267359;mircea_popescu;[\\\] it's not my bot unless it did something cool. otherwise it's kakobrekla's. and moreover, it'd seem gribble passes it an error.
619392;1397267387;[\];mircea_popescu: you're missing the point
619393;1397267395;mircea_popescu;no
619394;1397267396;[\];my nick as assbot_sucks, but auth'd was failing too
619395;1397267398;mircea_popescu;i am ESCAPING the point
619396;1397267404;benkay;ouch
619397;1397267409;mircea_popescu;:D
619398;1397267411;[\];which has nothing to do with [\\\]
619399;1397267424;assbot_sucks;;;ident
619400;1397267425;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'assbot_sucks', with hostmask 'assbot_sucks!\\\]@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
619401;1397267425;assbot_sucks;see
619402;1397267427;assbot_sucks;!up
619403;1397267427;assbot;Need a nickname, assbot_sucks.
619404;1397267432;assbot_sucks;haha
619405;1397267433;kakobrekla;;;gettrust [\\\]
619406;1397267433;gribble;Error: "\\\" is not a valid command.
619407;1397267434;mircea_popescu;it fails if yor ident doesn't match your nick
619408;1397267441;kakobrekla;;;gettrust "[\\\]"
619409;1397267441;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user [\\]: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=%5B%5C%5C%5D | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=%5B%5C%5C%5D | Rated since: never
619410;1397267442;assbot_sucks;mircea_popescu: silly.
619411;1397267450;assbot_sucks;kakobrekla: you gotta escape mang
619412;1397267454;benkay;mircea_popescu: the reason for debian gpg instructions is that the default gnupg keygen process creates a key that decrypts only
619413;1397267454;kakobrekla;ok so apparently adding quotes hapls if you have a retarded nickname
619414;1397267457;assbot_sucks;"[\\\\\\]"
619415;1397267464;assbot_sucks;escape the slashes retardedly
619416;1397267469;kakobrekla;i will.
619417;1397267487;benkay;entering 'expert mode' is req'd apparently to get a xor'd key
619418;1397267493;mircea_popescu;wouldn't it be easier to just ban imsa ?
619419;1397267498;kakobrekla;yea
619420;1397267501;kakobrekla;stop hiding imsa
619421;1397267503;kakobrekla;we know its you
619422;1397267508;assbot_sucks;it isn't hiding.
619423;1397267511;assbot_sucks;;;ident
619424;1397267512;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'assbot_sucks', with hostmask 'assbot_sucks!\\\]@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
619425;1397267542;Blazedout419;ugh reading bitcoin-assets.com...then browsing all the sites makes me feel stupid
619426;1397267543;mircea_popescu;and if you nick to imsaguy and up then nick to slash does it devoice ?
619427;1397267552;mircea_popescu;Blazedout419 why ?
619428;1397267566;[\];because half of them are shit
619429;1397267567;Blazedout419;Never traded much before
619430;1397267583;Blazedout419;I do not even know the terminology
619431;1397267593;kakobrekla;ok wtf why doesnt it devoice
619432;1397267593;[\];Blazedout419: thats why you pay people
619433;1397267594;mircea_popescu;so you learn.
619434;1397267598;Blazedout419;No swap
619435;1397267601;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/
619436;1397267602;kakobrekla;this is fckd.
619437;1397267604;mircea_popescu;holy shit this has even odds ?
619438;1397267605;Blazedout419;.5 - 1 pip spread
619439;1397267606;[\];kakobrekla: probably same breakage?
619440;1397267610;kakobrekla;no
619441;1397267616;Blazedout419;I shall learn indeed
619442;1397267617;[\];oh, then dunno
619443;1397267618;kakobrekla;except if chanserv is broked
619444;1397267623;mircea_popescu;!up ozbot
619445;1397267623;assbot;Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
619446;1397267625;[\];no, chanserv handles fine
619447;1397267637;kakobrekla;cause when i change nick when voiced, it devoices me
619448;1397267640;[\];aww, ozbot is bannished
619449;1397267652;kakobrekla;which is wtf
619450;1397267661;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
619451;1397267663;[\];oh, because of the protected users?
619452;1397267666;[\];channel setting
619453;1397267686;kakobrekla;channel setting? we are on same channel
619454;1397267709;[\];What is failing? the bot not devoicing when you switch nicks?
619455;1397267928;mircea_popescu;i would if he were here.
619456;1397267928;[\];it was secureops
619457;1397267938;mircea_popescu;secureops is still there innit ?!
619458;1397267940;[\];but according to chanserv, its no thre anymore
619459;1397267948;[\];not there*
619460;1397267969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4895 @ 0.00096366 = 4.7171 BTC [+]
619461;1397267984;kakobrekla;so whats the catch
619462;1397268001;[\];try /cs set #bitcoin-assets secure off
619463;1397268044;kakobrekla;its not some chanserv flags ... ?
619464;1397268051;[\];help references only op and halfop, but freenode really doesn't have halfop
619465;1397268056;[\];so I'm guessing its playing with voice
619466;1397268083;[\];voice yourself
619467;1397268084;benkay;lady v and i are off to the rye, champagne, and discomfort of the budding youth!
619468;1397268093;[\];!up kakobrekla
619469;1397268093;assbot;Voicing kakobrekla for 30 minutes.
619470;1397268096;benkay;adieu fair folks
619471;1397268115;[\];now the rename for the win
619472;1397268179;[\];I'd say ask in #freenode, but you're likely to get helped by a bunch of overachievers that doen't know the real answer
619473;1397268330;[\];lol
619474;1397268335;kakobrekla;[\\\] yes it does something on rename
619475;1397268356;[\];kakobrekla, I think its assbot doing a /cs devoice
619476;1397268357;kakobrekla;anyway this is fucked.
619477;1397268365;kakobrekla;nah
619478;1397268367;[\];I don't think its something chanserv is doing on its own
619479;1397268381;mircea_popescu;lemme try in #trilema.
619480;1397268384;kakobrekla;!down [\\\]
619481;1397268384;assbot;kakobrekla, [\\\] is not voiced.
619482;1397268389;kakobrekla;aha.
619483;1397268395;[\];same breakage
619484;1397268396;kakobrekla;besides that.
619485;1397268421;kakobrekla;dafuq
619486;1397268422;[\];yeah, its assbot
619487;1397268426;mircea_popescu;* ChanServ gives channel operator status to mircea_popescu
619488;1397268427;mircea_popescu;* mircea_popescu gives voice to mircea_popescu
619489;1397268427;mircea_popescu;* You are now known as mircea_popescu1
619490;1397268427;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu1> ha. it didn't devoice me.
619491;1397268427;mircea_popescu;* You are now known as mircea_popescu
619492;1397268428;kakobrekla;so its only me
619493;1397268429;mircea_popescu;it must be assbot.
619494;1397268433;kakobrekla;no
619495;1397268434;kakobrekla;its me
619496;1397268436;mircea_popescu;ah
619497;1397268449;kakobrekla;dunno how or why but yea
619498;1397268457;mircea_popescu;bug in client ?
619499;1397268482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59012389 BTC [-]
619500;1397268506;kakobrekla;i suspect something else, but its just a hunch
619501;1397268543;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.588 = 1.176 BTC [-] {2} 
619502;1397268544;[\];doh
619503;1397268548;mircea_popescu;!up imsaguy
619504;1397268548;assbot;Voicing imsaguy for 30 minutes.
619505;1397268554;[\];!up "[\\\\\\]"
619506;1397268554;assbot;Voicing "[\\\\\\]" for 30 minutes.
619507;1397268563;[\];!down "[\\\\\\
619508;1397268563;assbot;[\\\], "[\\\\\\ is not voiced.
619509;1397268567;[\];!down "[\\\\\\"
619510;1397268567;assbot;[\\\], "[\\\\\\" is not voiced.
619511;1397268569;kakobrekla;[\\\] !up should work now in pvt
619512;1397268576;kakobrekla;try it
619513;1397268580;[\];!down "[\\\\\\]"
619514;1397268580;assbot;Can't do that, [\\\].
619515;1397268591;mircea_popescu;!down [\\\]
619516;1397268591;assbot;mircea_popescu, [\\\] is not voiced.
619517;1397268594;[\];lol
619518;1397268600;mircea_popescu;sheit.
619519;1397268604;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585 BTC [-]
619520;1397268605;[\];hold on
619521;1397268643;mircea_popescu;listen to the sound
619522;1397268646;mircea_popescu;of silence
619523;1397268656;kakobrekla;theres a couple of things broken yea
619524;1397268661;kakobrekla;but at leat mp can yapp
619525;1397268718;kakobrekla;interfuckin with irc is not really clean.
619526;1397268795;kakobrekla;!up [\\\]
619527;1397268795;assbot;Voicing [\\\] for 30 minutes.
619528;1397269237;mircea_popescu;!up KRS-1
619529;1397269237;assbot;Voicing KRS-1 for 30 minutes.
619530;1397269287;KRS-1;;;seen vexual
619531;1397269288;gribble;vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat
619532;1397270296;mircea_popescu;!up TestingUnoDosTre
619533;1397270296;assbot;Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
619534;1397270303;TestingUnoDosTre;hey yo
619535;1397270306;TestingUnoDosTre;how does this work
619536;1397270322;mircea_popescu;you id with gribble and pm assbot !up
619537;1397270343;TestingUnoDosTre;id with gribble - is this a command?
619538;1397270345;mircea_popescu;same goes to Duffer1 :D
619539;1397270357;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre you not in the wot ?
619540;1397270362;TestingUnoDosTre;negatron
619541;1397270365;Blazedout419;;;guide
619542;1397270365;gribble;Error: "guide" is not a valid command.
619543;1397270368;mircea_popescu;tsk.
619544;1397270368;Blazedout419;wha
619545;1397270375;TestingUnoDosTre;I know I know
619546;1397270376;Blazedout419;must be OTC only
619547;1397270380;Blazedout419;;;turtle
619548;1397270380;gribble;Error: "turtle" is not a valid command.
619549;1397270381;mircea_popescu;;;google thedrinkingrecord gpg guide
619550;1397270381;gribble;PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/>; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>
619551;1397270606;mircea_popescu;!up xdotcommer
619552;1397270606;assbot;Voicing xdotcommer for 30 minutes.
619553;1397270614;mircea_popescu;!up joesmoe
619554;1397270614;assbot;Voicing joesmoe for 30 minutes.
619555;1397270634;kakobrekla;bah
619556;1397270640;kakobrekla;i will need to rewrite this. tomorrow.
619557;1397270653;mircea_popescu;is it your client after all ?
619558;1397270683;kakobrekla;that i dunno and i doubt
619559;1397270709;kakobrekla;but i found some issues and i will redo the thing.
619560;1397270716;TestingUnoDosTre;can I PM people to up me if I haven't been upped?
619561;1397270722;mircea_popescu;yup
619562;1397270747;TestingUnoDosTre;goooooood  goooood
619563;1397270835;mircea_popescu;;;later tell nubbins` and so i pass the torch of upping noobs to you, for i am old and tired
619564;1397270835;gribble;The operation succeeded.
619565;1397270866;TestingUnoDosTre;hey woh, no need for harsh language
619566;1397270997;TestingUnoDosTre;can I register just with a password until I get my key http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ?
619567;1397271134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00096132 = 12.1126 BTC [-] {2} 
619568;1397275023;mike_c;phew, i jumped the hurdles.
619569;1397275082;mike_c;for the record, i first tried "!up mike_c" and got a cryptic error message from assbot.  must do just "!up"
619570;1397276502;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7916 @ 0.00097098 = 7.6863 BTC [+] {2} 
619571;1397276929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.00097209 = 1.9928 BTC [+]
619572;1397277539;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 335 @ 0.00068998 = 0.2311 BTC [+] {2} 
619573;1397278149;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.049 = 0.147 BTC [+] {2} 
619574;1397278332;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 331 @ 0.00068999 = 0.2284 BTC [+]
619575;1397278759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8984 @ 0.00097209 = 8.7333 BTC [+]
619576;1397279160;artifexd;Hmm... nickserv won't let me change my nick to ┗(°0°)┛
619577;1397279498;Duffer1;.bait
619578;1397279628;artifexd;!up ozbot
619579;1397279628;assbot;Can't do that, artifexd.
619580;1397279674;Duffer1;!up pankkake
619581;1397279674;assbot;Voicing pankkake for 30 minutes.
619582;1397279705;Duffer1;just testing
619583;1397279714;Duffer1;!down pankkake
619584;1397279721;Duffer1;mm excellent
619585;1397280246;fluffypony;artifexd: so change it to to-da-mooooon instead?
619586;1397280264;artifexd;Eh
619587;1397280277;artifexd;Doesn't have the same effect
619588;1397280281;fluffypony;true
619589;1397280353;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/4QjPw3D.png
619590;1397280358;fluffypony;well then
619591;1397280467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0495 = 0.1485 BTC [+] {2} 
619592;1397280528;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.034 = 0.102 BTC [-]
619593;1397280529;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0495 = 0.1485 BTC [+]
619594;1397280530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
619595;1397281016;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00564186 = 0.4513 BTC [-] {9} 
619596;1397281382;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
619597;1397281626;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1320 @ 0.00014513 = 0.1916 BTC [-] {5} 
619598;1397282602;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2142 @ 0.000061 = 0.1307 BTC [-]
619599;1397282664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 104 @ 0.0016 = 0.1664 BTC [-] {2} 
619600;1397282665;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59486385 BTC [+]
619601;1397282726;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 272 @ 0.00068999 = 0.1877 BTC [+]
619602;1397282727;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.00579668 = 0.3652 BTC [+] {2} 
619603;1397283395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 716 @ 0.00019989 = 0.1431 BTC [+]
619604;1397284005;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0659997 = 0.264 BTC [+]
619605;1397284066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0659998 = 0.462 BTC [+]
619606;1397284310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00097237 = 4.8619 BTC [+]
619607;1397287421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04974249 = 0.199 BTC [+] {3} 
619608;1397288824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
619609;1397293337;jurov;whoa now the chan is also secret?
619610;1397293535;fluffypony;secret = doesn't show up in /list ?
619611;1397293554;fluffypony;private = doesn't show up in whois unless you're on the same channel as the user you're whois'ing ?
619612;1397293966;pankkake;most freenode channels are +s, might be a default
619613;1397294007;fluffypony;yeah I think so
619614;1397294014;fluffypony;https://pypi.python.org/pypi/defusedxml
619615;1397294017;fluffypony;"It's just XML, what could probably go wrong?"
619616;1397294074;jurov;i only hope there is no such feature in json
619617;1397294092;fluffypony;no there isn't
619618;1397294108;fluffypony;JSON is an actual data store, XML can't decide if it's a data store or a language
619619;1397294117;pankkake;json is safe. beware of its cousin yaml though
619620;1397294133;Anduck;+s is default, yes
619621;1397294139;Anduck;why did i have to !up again?
619622;1397294174;jurov;cuz gribble deauthed you?
619623;1397294182;Anduck;let's see..
619624;1397294191;jurov;but assbot is still buggy, too
619625;1397294192;Anduck;nope, i am authed
619626;1397294199;Anduck;ye
619627;1397294202;fluffypony;Anduck: you're automatically devoiced after 30 mins
619628;1397294204;jurov;bareback testing
619629;1397294211;Anduck;fluffypony: what's the idea with tht?
619630;1397294213;fluffypony;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
619631;1397294215;pankkake;not if you can !up yourself?
619632;1397294215;fluffypony;^^
619633;1397294224;jurov;fluffypony: auther people in the WoT are devoiced too?
619634;1397294228;pankkake;I think it was just because of assbot testing
619635;1397294231;jurov;*authed
619636;1397294253;fluffypony;jurov: I was under that impression, but I may have misunderstood when kakobrekla was explaining it
619637;1397294258;Anduck;well
619638;1397294266;Anduck;the whole thing is over-complicated and therefore SUCKS
619639;1397294281;Anduck;=)
619640;1397294307;fluffypony;Anduck: -otc would be great if it was +m, because !voiceme only requires auth with gribble
619641;1397294325;jurov;benka'y missing manul doesn't mention it either
619642;1397294325;Anduck;what would +m change there?
619643;1397294326;fluffypony;wouldn't stop scammers from pm'ing
619644;1397294335;Anduck;indeed
619645;1397294342;Anduck;and scammers do most of the scamming by pming
619646;1397294345;fluffypony;yeah I know
619647;1397294352;Anduck;i see no reason for +m there
619648;1397294362;fluffypony;shame that one guy that got scammed by Scott Harding lost his PayPal dispute
619649;1397294368;Anduck;did he?
619650;1397294369;Anduck;=(
619651;1397294371;fluffypony;yeah
619652;1397294374;jurov;they can pm. we can do a cartel agreement to ask them 5BTC fee >:]
619653;1397294425;fluffypony;heh
619654;1397294442;pankkake;I'll doo 4.99
619655;1397294458;fluffypony;and it starts
619656;1397294468;pankkake;beauty of the free market
619657;1397294475;jurov;;;slap pankkake
619658;1397294476;*;gribble slaps pankkake with a gone to waste pygmy
619659;1397294516;jurov;yes, beauty of free markets..everyone who tries to undercut the cartel will get beaten
619660;1397294542;Anduck;yeah
619661;1397294554;Anduck;pm me and pay 0.01 btc to me to get voiced here
619662;1397294559;Anduck;..for 30mins
619663;1397294567;Anduck;:)
619664;1397294590;jurov;*everyone unrates Anduck*
619665;1397294593;Anduck;haha
619666;1397294631;pankkake;while scammers PM, at least they won't pollute the channels
619667;1397294640;Anduck;they never do anyway
619668;1397294642;pankkake;I'm always annoyed by their poor spelled requests
619669;1397294852;jurov;we can remember yesterday as bitcoin-assets gentrification day
619670;1397295020;pankkake;or cult reinforcement day
619671;1397295039;Anduck;mmh
619672;1397295046;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 665 @ 0.00018001 = 0.1197 BTC [-] {4} 
619673;1397295136;jurov;"as the conference approaches, mp stepped up his repression against dissent"
619674;1397295168;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2190 @ 0.00017981 = 0.3938 BTC [-] {5} 
619675;1397295306;jurov;Bitcoin Bourse Saturday 12.4.2014 - New Shares: Abacus Cloud Hashing "ACH"
619676;1397295320;pankkake;it's sad…
619677;1397295322;jurov;altcoin IPO? that's new high i guess
619678;1397295339;pankkake;eh, I wish I could come to the conference but it's a really bad time for me
619679;1397295656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00097586 = 11.076 BTC [+]
619680;1397295778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55266 @ 0.00097538 = 53.9054 BTC [-] {2} 
619681;1397296234;fluffypony;jurov: I was just looking at that
619682;1397296243;fluffypony;They give almost no data on the Abacus site
619683;1397296267;fluffypony;But they've already sold 2 of the shares at 3 BTC each
619684;1397296325;jurov;where do you see it?
619685;1397296419;fluffypony;On the locked thread there's a link
619686;1397296419;jurov;i see, there's 98 on bid side.. but they could have done that on purpose because the bourse does not publish trades
619687;1397296429;fluffypony;Oh yes
619688;1397296435;fluffypony;Sorry thought you meant to the site
619689;1397296442;fluffypony;They could be fudging the numbers
619690;1397296479;fluffypony;But why not fudge trade data then? At least they'd have a semblance of legitimacy
619691;1397296530;jurov;http://imgur.com/9AHGlkV this is how it looks inside
619692;1397296530;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
619693;1397296549;jurov;absolutely no asks....
619694;1397296597;fluffypony;Heh - at least that XXXProfit dude seems to consistently be paying dividends
619695;1397296604;fluffypony;That's a surprising turn of events
619696;1397296623;fluffypony;jurov: Nobody asks because every announcement thread is locked
619697;1397296631;fluffypony;It's almost like they don't want discussion
619698;1397296631;pankkake;yeah. I hope it doesn't give too much confidence to those investors
619699;1397296633;fluffypony;:-P
619700;1397296660;jurov;markus definitely does not want discussion
619701;1397296707;fluffypony;We should just create self-moderated discussion threads for each of the "securities"
619702;1397296724;fluffypony;That way nobody will be stupid enough to invest without reading the discussion thread
619703;1397296728;jurov;no need to increase their publicity
619704;1397296747;jurov;that thing needs to stay obscure and silently die
619705;1397296754;fluffypony;Lol
619706;1397296762;pankkake;self-moderated, locked threads = scam. there's no legitimate reason
619707;1397296862;jurov;on bitcointa.lk the locks don't apply, you can comment there
619708;1397296876;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 461 @ 0.0006 = 0.2766 BTC [-] {4} 
619709;1397296886;fluffypony;Self moderated threads can be useful to keep stuff on topic if it's being trolled, and moderating legitimate concerns just ends up with someone starting an unmoderated discussion thread
619710;1397296937;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 539 @ 0.0006 = 0.3234 BTC [-]
619711;1397297059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00096688 = 8.3152 BTC [-]
619712;1397297059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 754 @ 0.0006 = 0.4524 BTC [-] {2} 
619713;1397297109;fluffypony;Sup benkay
619714;1397297120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 245 @ 0.00056126 = 0.1375 BTC [-] {6} 
619715;1397297486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11285 @ 0.00096177 = 10.8536 BTC [-]
619716;1397297698;mircea_popescu;!up BCB
619717;1397297698;assbot;Voicing BCB for 30 minutes.
619718;1397297707;mircea_popescu;!up bounce
619719;1397297707;assbot;Voicing bounce for 30 minutes.
619720;1397297714;mircea_popescu;!up cazalla
619721;1397297714;assbot;Voicing cazalla for 30 minutes.
619722;1397297723;mircea_popescu;!up bloctoc
619723;1397297723;assbot;Voicing bloctoc for 30 minutes.
619724;1397297736;mircea_popescu;!up cmyers_
619725;1397297736;assbot;Voicing cmyers_ for 30 minutes.
619726;1397297745;mircea_popescu;!up danielpbarron
619727;1397297745;assbot;Voicing danielpbarron for 30 minutes.
619728;1397297751;mircea_popescu;!up deadweasel
619729;1397297751;assbot;Voicing deadweasel for 30 minutes.
619730;1397297757;mircea_popescu;!up diametric
619731;1397297757;assbot;Voicing diametric for 30 minutes.
619732;1397297760;mircea_popescu;!up dignork
619733;1397297760;assbot;Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.
619734;1397297768;mircea_popescu;!up FabianB_
619735;1397297768;assbot;Voicing FabianB_ for 30 minutes.
619736;1397297770;cazalla;ty
619737;1397297784;mircea_popescu;!up fanquake
619738;1397297784;assbot;Voicing fanquake for 30 minutes.
619739;1397297791;mircea_popescu;!up joecool
619740;1397297791;assbot;Voicing joecool for 30 minutes.
619741;1397297800;mircea_popescu;!up keonne
619742;1397297800;assbot;Voicing keonne for 30 minutes.
619743;1397297806;mircea_popescu;!up lampelina
619744;1397297806;assbot;Voicing lampelina for 30 minutes.
619745;1397297818;mircea_popescu;!up Mats_cd03
619746;1397297818;assbot;Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
619747;1397297825;mircea_popescu;!up mikaeldice
619748;1397297825;assbot;Voicing mikaeldice for 30 minutes.
619749;1397297831;mircea_popescu;!up mpexbot
619750;1397297831;assbot;Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
619751;1397297834;mircea_popescu;hm.
619752;1397297841;mircea_popescu;!up Naphex
619753;1397297841;assbot;Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes.
619754;1397297847;mircea_popescu;!up numerisTrade
619755;1397297847;assbot;Voicing numerisTrade for 30 minutes.
619756;1397297853;mircea_popescu;!up pizzaman1338
619757;1397297853;assbot;Voicing pizzaman1338 for 30 minutes.
619758;1397297860;mircea_popescu;!up punkman
619759;1397297860;assbot;Voicing punkman for 30 minutes.
619760;1397297869;mircea_popescu;!up Rulother
619761;1397297869;assbot;Voicing Rulother for 30 minutes.
619762;1397297879;mircea_popescu;!up TomServo
619763;1397297879;assbot;Voicing TomServo for 30 minutes.
619764;1397297883;mircea_popescu;!up turbo_ac100
619765;1397297883;assbot;Voicing turbo_ac100 for 30 minutes.
619766;1397297892;mircea_popescu;!up wao-ender
619767;1397297892;assbot;Voicing wao-ender for 30 minutes.
619768;1397297899;mircea_popescu;!up zacm
619769;1397297899;assbot;Voicing zacm for 30 minutes.
619770;1397297919;mircea_popescu;ok so dear all i've just highlighted : you understand how to get voice for yourselves ?
619771;1397297927;mircea_popescu;!up [KS]
619772;1397297927;assbot;Voicing [KS] for 30 minutes.
619773;1397297944;Mats_cd03;yes
619774;1397297961;mircea_popescu;aite jus' making sure
619775;1397297969;cazalla;yeah, shame MisterE departed because of this change
619776;1397297976;mircea_popescu;cazalla he got no wot ?
619777;1397297980;Mats_cd03;the new world order is here
619778;1397297996;cazalla;doesn't care for it
619779;1397297998;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 step by step
619780;1397298004;mircea_popescu;cazalla sucks.
619781;1397298011;jurov;lol rather document it somewhere and PM everyone the link
619782;1397298029;jurov;i'd write up but imma run afk, it's weeeekend
619783;1397298045;mircea_popescu;jurov well also gives ppl the oportunity to rage at me.
619784;1397298061;Mats_cd03;set it as channel topic?
619785;1397298069;punkman;I was like "aww I'm not in assbot's WOT", then I noticed assbot rated me :)
619786;1397298087;mircea_popescu;lol
619787;1397298103;fluffypony;does every shitty Windows/web IRC client even notify you if you say something in a room that's +m and you're -v ?
619788;1397298103;mircea_popescu;anyway, teh idea isn't to piss people off in any case.
619789;1397298111;mircea_popescu;fluffypony perhaps not.
619790;1397298129;fluffypony;yeah, I bet robcheesewhizz22 thought he was responding to us yesterday :-P
619791;1397298129;mircea_popescu;truth of the matter is, as kakobrekla said yest, this irc interfacing thing is far from smooth
619792;1397298135;fluffypony;!down
619793;1397298135;assbot;Need a nickname, fluffypony.
619794;1397298138;fluffypony;!down fluffypony
619795;1397298138;assbot;fluffypony, fluffypony is not voiced.
619796;1397298147;mircea_popescu;o yeah this works nao ?
619797;1397298150;mircea_popescu;!up fluffypony
619798;1397298150;assbot;Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
619799;1397298155;mircea_popescu;mnop
619800;1397298157;fluffypony;smooth
619801;1397298162;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla mebbe also voice for mpexbot ?
619802;1397298218;mircea_popescu;poor kako. what originally seemed like a coupla hour's lark is by now threatening to swallow the entire week
619803;1397298330;fluffypony;so CloudFlare's Heartbleed challenge was broken by two researchers
619804;1397298342;mircea_popescu;and they ain't payin; ?
619805;1397298361;fluffypony;no they are
619806;1397298361;fluffypony;http://blog.cloudflare.com/the-results-of-the-cloudflare-challenge
619807;1397298361;ozbot;The Results of the CloudFlare Challenge | CloudFlare Blog
619808;1397298372;fluffypony;"The first valid submission was received at 4:22:01PST by Software Engineer Fedor Indutny. He sent at least 2.5 million requests over the course of the day. The second was submitted at 5:12:19PST by Ilkka Mattila at NCSC-FI, who sent around a hundred thousand requests over the same period of time."
619809;1397298383;fluffypony;grabbing privkeys in 100k requests
619810;1397298384;mircea_popescu;o look, fedor.
619811;1397298442;mircea_popescu;Anduck why overcomplicated, cause gotta id with gribble and pm assbot ie, two things ?
619812;1397298447;mircea_popescu;!up KRS-One
619813;1397298447;assbot;Voicing KRS-One for 30 minutes.
619814;1397298451;mircea_popescu;!up jakov
619815;1397298451;assbot;Voicing jakov for 30 minutes.
619816;1397298454;Anduck;mircea_popescu: indeed
619817;1397298467;jakov;whats this?
619818;1397298482;Anduck;not many know about gribble, gpg, otc, wot, assbot or anything related to these things
619819;1397298489;Anduck;still they might know about bitcoin and bitcoin assets
619820;1397298492;mircea_popescu;jakov http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
619821;1397298504;mircea_popescu;Anduck that seems like a contradiction in terms.
619822;1397298541;jakov;ok
619823;1397298544;cazalla;Anduck: ones excuse, anothers motivation to learn
619824;1397298555;fluffypony;Anduck: in -otc we're constantly linking people to the beginner's guide, and they learn to register with gribble quickly
619825;1397298560;mircea_popescu;i like that guy's attitude
619826;1397298573;mircea_popescu;fluffypony oh, -otc is +m again ?
619827;1397298578;Anduck;no
619828;1397298579;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: no, not atm
619829;1397298588;Anduck;it's not +m and planned to not be
619830;1397298589;mircea_popescu;has it been, since 2012 or so ?
619831;1397298598;fluffypony;but people come in and get confused about gribble and all that
619832;1397298601;fluffypony;so the beginners guide is good for them
619833;1397298606;fluffypony;even if they only use BTC address signing instead of GPG auth
619834;1397298640;mircea_popescu;Anduck so then that's perfect, people who think they know about bitcoin and bitcoin assets but have no clue about bitcoin or bitcoin assets can spend some quality time in -otc hanging out with gribble and learning the basics of bitcoin and bitcoin assets : gpg, otc, wot, all that stuff.
619835;1397298657;*;fluffypony agrees
619836;1397298712;Anduck;well, whatever really =D
619837;1397298750;mircea_popescu;jurov: yes, beauty of free markets..everyone who tries to undercut the cartel will get beaten << check out hardass jurov!
619838;1397298797;mircea_popescu;so yesterday shall be remembered as cult gentrification day ?
619839;1397298838;mircea_popescu;!up kanzure
619840;1397298838;assbot;Voicing kanzure for 30 minutes.
619841;1397298844;mircea_popescu;o look i forgot mr bishop. yo!
619842;1397298857;mircea_popescu;!up akstunt600
619843;1397298857;assbot;Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
619844;1397298909;mircea_popescu;!up riX2000
619845;1397298909;assbot;Voicing riX2000 for 30 minutes.
619846;1397298915;mircea_popescu;!up the20year
619847;1397298915;assbot;Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
619848;1397298922;mircea_popescu;!up TheSeven
619849;1397298922;assbot;Voicing TheSeven for 30 minutes.
619850;1397298929;mircea_popescu;!up Troic
619851;1397298929;assbot;Voicing Troic for 30 minutes.
619852;1397298941;mircea_popescu;!up thestringpuller
619853;1397298941;assbot;Voicing thestringpuller for 30 minutes.
619854;1397298943;TheSeven;...whatever
619855;1397298948;mircea_popescu;get in the wot mang.
619856;1397298981;mircea_popescu;!up virtuals
619857;1397298981;assbot;Voicing virtuals for 30 minutes.
619858;1397299133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5947 BTC [-]
619859;1397299194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5948 = 1.7844 BTC [+]
619860;1397299316;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.5948 = 4.7584 BTC [+] {3} 
619861;1397299377;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.59735406 = 20.31 BTC [+] {8} 
619862;1397299378;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00579999 = 0.261 BTC [+] {3} 
619863;1397299499;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6 = 1.8 BTC [+]
619864;1397299621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0058 = 0.1972 BTC [+]
619865;1397299638;Anduck;devoicefest
619866;1397299682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
619867;1397299690;mircea_popescu;lol
619868;1397299802;mircea_popescu;"We have noticed that you own a domain name relative to ours. We are currently thinking about putting our domain name BlogAboutBitcoin.com for sale. Please let us know if you might be interested in buying this domain name from us."
619869;1397299826;mircea_popescu;yeah, absolutely, 15 letter domains are something i'd be buying o.o
619870;1397299943;fluffypony;heh
619871;1397299957;fluffypony;I keep getting trademark requests from China
619872;1397299977;kakobrekla;hello kids
619873;1397299982;kakobrekla;did you steal any candy
619874;1397299982;fluffypony;"This is Cari Wang from a department of registration service in China. Our registration department formally received an application on Mar. 10, 2014, One company self-styled "Kemod Holding,Ltd." are going to apply to register brand name and  domain names as below "
619875;1397299991;fluffypony;and then they list a website name you registered
619876;1397300004;fluffypony;and tell you that "Kemod Holding" is going to register all these domains and do you want to stop them
619877;1397300008;Apocalyptic;mircea, here's the offers I got some days ago
619878;1397300009;Apocalyptic;Cryptomize.com  - $770
619879;1397300009;Apocalyptic;CoinCarts.com   - $1275
619880;1397300009;Apocalyptic;Coinerfy.com    - $1495
619881;1397300009;Apocalyptic;Coinings.com    - $2450
619882;1397300020;Apocalyptic;totally crappy names
619883;1397300023;fluffypony;for which they'll charge you the low, low fee of a few thousand $$$
619884;1397300034;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic i can beat that. someone finally read the robwhiz guy's proposal. you will have to look at this thing.
619885;1397300058;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/1777328/
619886;1397300060;ozbot;dpaste: #1777328
619887;1397300071;mircea_popescu;this, i will have to stress, is *still* coldcalling.
619888;1397300170;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.60949999 = 3.657 BTC [+] {2} 
619889;1397300173;Apocalyptic;mircea, what does this robwhiz guy do ?
619890;1397300180;mircea_popescu;apparently, coldcall ?
619891;1397300192;fluffypony;$12 500 is 50%?
619892;1397300198;mircea_popescu;anyway, that's just selected derpage, he sent piles more.
619893;1397300198;Apocalyptic;i got that, but what exactly is he offering in exchange
619894;1397300209;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic that matterwas never actually discussed.
619895;1397300222;mircea_popescu;fluffypony imagine that!
619896;1397300224;fluffypony;Apocalyptic: he's offering his notes
619897;1397300242;fluffypony;for $25 000
619898;1397300245;fluffypony;wtf.
619899;1397300394;mircea_popescu;!up dexX7
619900;1397300394;assbot;Voicing dexX7 for 30 minutes.
619901;1397300412;dexX7;haha ty :)
619902;1397300414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.6 = 19.8 BTC [-] {2} 
619903;1397300418;mircea_popescu;dja know how to get it yourself ?
619904;1397300430;dexX7;no?
619905;1397300432;dexX7;!up dexX7
619906;1397300432;assbot;dexX7, dexX7 is already voiced.
619907;1397300447;mircea_popescu;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
619908;1397300447;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model
619909;1397300494;dexX7;hey that's nice
619910;1397300577;mircea_popescu;actually, here's an interesting project : someone traverse the l2 trust from assbot, make a list of who's on it.
619911;1397300590;mircea_popescu;decent adition to benkay's post.
619912;1397300908;kakobrekla;!up zacm
619913;1397300908;assbot;Voicing zacm for 30 minutes.
619914;1397300923;kakobrekla;!up cazalla
619915;1397300923;assbot;Voicing cazalla for 30 minutes.
619916;1397300936;zacm;seems to work :)
619917;1397300943;mircea_popescu;hey z. wot plox.
619918;1397300970;zacm;hi mircea_popescu, all
619919;1397301050;zacm;<jurov> on bitcointa.lk the locks don't apply, you can comment there
619920;1397301085;zacm;haha, so bitcointa.lk is not just a mirror, but people can respond to threads and it won't necessarily appear on the original thread? haha
619921;1397301097;mircea_popescu;yup
619922;1397301119;dexX7;!down dexX7
619923;1397301119;assbot;Can't do that, dexX7.
619924;1397301185;mircea_popescu;jeez you can't do anything
619925;1397301196;dexX7;please unvoice me
619926;1397301211;kakobrekla;just /hop
619927;1397301217;kakobrekla;or /part , /join
619928;1397301244;mircea_popescu;wd.
619929;1397301246;dexX7;:)
619930;1397301276;dexX7;i think #bitcoin-markets has something similar but with reddit authentication
619931;1397301302;kakobrekla;to keep the elite out*?
619932;1397301315;dexX7;well it's a channel for a subreddit
619933;1397301330;mircea_popescu;fuck, we're not even the first ever
619934;1397301334;mircea_popescu;can we still be the biggest ?
619935;1397301344;dexX7;no, but the most sophisticated
619936;1397301350;mircea_popescu;i guess ;/
619937;1397301363;mircea_popescu;i really wanted to be the first biggest
619938;1397301368;mircea_popescu;like all the cool kids.
619939;1397301371;dexX7;it's amazing
619940;1397301371;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
619941;1397301375;dexX7;^
619942;1397301377;mircea_popescu;lol
619943;1397301622;bounce;does assbot consider ratings, that is do negatives not count?
619944;1397301675;mircea_popescu;afaik your l2 total must be > 0
619945;1397301778;fluffypony;!gettrust assbot
619946;1397301803;fluffypony;;;gettrust assbot
619947;1397301804;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
619948;1397301826;fluffypony;oh it's the other way round
619949;1397301834;mircea_popescu;yup
619950;1397301845;dexX7;http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=assbot&dest=fluffypony
619951;1397301846;ozbot;#bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph
619952;1397301850;dexX7;just flip it
619953;1397301923;mircea_popescu;;;rate assbot 1 Nice ass & face bot.
619954;1397301925;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user assbot has been recorded.
619955;1397301963;mircea_popescu;("face bot" would be, "[enthusiastically] sucks cock" / "is pouting" in Romanian)
619956;1397301971;fluffypony;;;gettrust assbot fluffypony
619957;1397301972;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be. Trust relationship from user assbot to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr  6 08:20:32 2013
619958;1397301974;fluffypony;there we go
619959;1397301991;fluffypony;so as long as you have L2 > 0 you're fine for self-upping
619960;1397302004;mircea_popescu;yep
619961;1397302014;mircea_popescu;so don't piss off Apocalyptic lol
619962;1397302020;fluffypony;lol
619963;1397302080;fluffypony;bounce: negatives don't count for L2, only L1
619964;1397302081;fluffypony;eg. http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=fluffypony
619965;1397302086;davout;;;rate assbot 1 one ass to rule them all
619966;1397302087;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user assbot has been recorded.
619967;1397302116;mircea_popescu;fluffypony l1 negatives don't turn l2 into a negative. but l2 negatives do count.
619968;1397302124;fluffypony;aaaah
619969;1397302148;mircea_popescu;i mean!
619970;1397302153;mircea_popescu;l1 negatives don't turn l2 into a negative. but l1 negatives do count.
619971;1397302190;fluffypony;yep
619972;1397302206;mircea_popescu;!up bitesak
619973;1397302206;assbot;Voicing bitesak for 30 minutes.
619974;1397302240;mircea_popescu;pity that kid on the forum already splurged his scientology load too. this'd have made such a great op.
619975;1397302300;pankkake;I'm sure he will be delighted to hear about the cult getting cultier
619976;1397302448;bounce;281 names. lemme drop'em in a pastebin
619977;1397302470;mircea_popescu;a cool! ty!
619978;1397302497;pankkake;nice, I wouldn't have thought this many
619979;1397302511;bitesak;thank you, you are quite the inspiration in many areas;
619980;1397302518;bounce;now for someone to verify the list :-)
619981;1397302636;mircea_popescu;bitesak you in teh wot ?
619982;1397302664;bounce;heh, oopsie. lemme do that again.
619983;1397302721;bounce;436 even. used the wrong starting point. data iz hard!
619984;1397302807;mircea_popescu;bounce i was thinking this must be broken because when i wrote the article yest mah ppl had said "just shy of 500"
619985;1397302815;mircea_popescu;which is why i said "many times the max population of the chan"
619986;1397302819;bounce;http://pastebin.ca/2694954
619987;1397302841;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about-dns-is-entirely-wrong/
619988;1397302843;ozbot;Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely wrong pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu
619989;1397302857;bounce;yeah needed someone with positive and negative ratings to check filtering them, then forgot to stick assbot back in
619990;1397302860;mircea_popescu;bounce Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: That is an invalid ID, or the post has expired.
619991;1397302866;mircea_popescu;you hax me ? i cut you!
619992;1397302867;bounce;s/ratings/sent &/
619993;1397302894;bounce;gah. silly pastebin.ca
619994;1397303101;bitesak;mircea_popescu: yes, in the wot under bitdragon
619995;1397303135;bounce;this works here: http://pastebin.ca/2694955
619996;1397303138;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot bitesak
619997;1397303139;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bitesak: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bitesak | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitesak | Rated since: never
619998;1397303142;mircea_popescu;tsk.
619999;1397303153;mircea_popescu;;;rate bitesak 1 New blood.
620000;1397303155;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
620001;1397303173;mircea_popescu;bitesak you wouldn't be fibbin' ?
620002;1397303193;mircea_popescu;o o i see
620003;1397303198;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot bitdragon
620004;1397303198;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bitdragon: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bitdragon | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitdragon | Rated since: Mon Oct  3 16:01:35 2011
620005;1397303203;bitesak;fibbin'? I try not to.
620006;1397303207;mircea_popescu;;;rate bitdragon 1 New blood.
620007;1397303209;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bitdragon has been recorded.
620008;1397303210;pankkake;;;gettrust assbot theymos
620009;1397303210;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user theymos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=theymos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=theymos | Rated since: Mon Nov  8 13:36:30 2010
620010;1397303220;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 12 @ 0.14 = 1.68 BTC
620011;1397303221;mircea_popescu;bitesak you can autovoice bitdragon now.
620012;1397303230;bitesak;merci
620013;1397303274;pankkake;;;gettrust assbot gmaxwell
620014;1397303274;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user gmaxwell: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=gmaxwell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gmaxwell | Rated since: Mon Jul 25 13:49:45 2011
620015;1397303294;mircea_popescu;1 via 3 connections ? for a .33 avg ? that's a feat.
620016;1397303358;pankkake;;;gettrust assbot MagicalTux
620017;1397303358;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user MagicalTux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=MagicalTux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MagicalTux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
620018;1397303375;pankkake;ok, that one is a bug in your script :)
620019;1397303377;mircea_popescu;an even better feat.
620020;1397303385;bounce;huh, ratefest
620021;1397303408;bounce;anyhow, blithely assuming assbot only gives positive ratings in the script
620022;1397303433;mircea_popescu;bounce this is true.
620023;1397303482;bounce;heh, just about 20 mins of scripting
620024;1397303516;mircea_popescu;i like how this thing just keeps swallowing more and more of people's time than they had anticipated.
620025;1397303613;kakobrekla;i know rite
620026;1397303649;mircea_popescu;this is what good management does!
620027;1397303663;bitesak;!up bitdragon
620028;1397303663;assbot;Can't do that, bitesak.
620029;1397303675;bounce;steal people's time on frivolities?
620030;1397303691;kakobrekla;bitesak !up youself first on pvt
620031;1397303698;kakobrekla;then you can up others
620032;1397303756;mircea_popescu;and you gotta be bitdragon
620033;1397303774;mircea_popescu;bounce the frivolities that steal your time are the stuff life's made of.
620034;1397303796;bitesak;ok ! thanks again
620035;1397303823;Apocalyptic;<mircea_popescu> bounce the frivolities that steal your time are the stuff life's made of. << well said
620036;1397304032;bounce;could make a list of who introduces whom. but, eh, let's not.
620037;1397304047;mircea_popescu;but why not :D
620038;1397304090;mircea_popescu;welcome to teh cult turbo_ac100
620039;1397304102;turbo_ac100;Does assbot autoACK?
620040;1397304108;turbo_ac100;mircea_popescu: yeah, hi.
620041;1397304200;turbo_ac100;Oh right. 1 layer is enough for permanent voice o.O
620042;1397304272;bounce;for layer two, combined score * 30 mins? (yay, overcomplicating)
620043;1397304297;mircea_popescu;nah, indefinite.
620044;1397304302;mircea_popescu;you made it, you made it.
620045;1397304337;mircea_popescu;bounce http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/assbot-level-2-trust/
620046;1397304345;mircea_popescu;check that shit out. either one or the other of you is wrong.
620047;1397304373;mircea_popescu;sheeeit this guy scooped me.
620048;1397304384;mircea_popescu;http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/first-bitcoin-otc-rating/ << i was gonna blog this
620049;1397304384;ozbot;First bitcoin-otc rating | Khersonus Blog
620050;1397304425;bounce;you mean he says 438 and I say 436? let's see where the difference lies then
620051;1397304434;mircea_popescu;i thought he said 432 ?
620052;1397304442;bounce;er, yes
620053;1397304562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00097 = 22.116 BTC [+]
620054;1397304576;khersonus;here was my quick'n'dirty code: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jr8W78NH
620055;1397304580;bounce;he's missing bounce (oi!), checkdavid, danielpbarron, joecool, punkman
620056;1397304593;mircea_popescu;bounce ahahaha
620057;1397304612;bounce;which brings up another question, why does diff give me 5 lines difference? o_O?
620058;1397304621;mircea_popescu;maybe a _
620059;1397304661;bounce;oh, he's got bitdragon whom got +1 after I posted the list
620060;1397304678;mircea_popescu;khersonus "the list increase to 495." => the list increases to 495.
620061;1397304725;bounce;really really quick'n'dirty code: http://pastebin.ca/2694958
620062;1397304728;khersonus;mircea_popescu: fixed, thanks.
620063;1397304788;mircea_popescu;saraj will be all "wtf is with all this dirty code coming to my site for a quickie today"
620064;1397304801;mircea_popescu;in other news,
620065;1397304801;mircea_popescu;http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/nevada-rancher-rangers-cattle-showdown/
620066;1397304801;ozbot;Showdown: Nevada rancher, feds face off over grazing rights - CNN.com
620067;1397304821;mircea_popescu;apparently the well armed militia is about to start a war with the even better armed bureaucracy
620068;1397304875;bounce;does kick the dog still count if it's a police dog?
620069;1397304891;mircea_popescu;wonder how long before people start going "o putin is behind this!"
620070;1397304957;turbo_ac100;bounce: nubbins "le backtick" ` got counted correctly?
620071;1397305014;mircea_popescu;lmao
620072;1397305030;turbo_ac100;what is dejson btw?
620073;1397305087;bounce;a bit of C code that turns json in something vaguely suitable for awkification
620074;1397305136;bounce;in this case the ouput looks like 12.rater_nick nubbins` (made up data)
620075;1397305137;turbo_ac100;I use python -json.tools.
620076;1397305156;turbo_ac100;ehm python -mjson.tools that is
620077;1397305169;bounce;er, the () isn't part of the output, of course
620078;1397305234;bounce;it'd be more efficient to output records as the first number changes, but this was faster. a small change in printing would save a loop a bit lower. that sort of thing.
620079;1397305253;bounce;s/faster/quicker to write/
620080;1397305843;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6095 = 6.095 BTC [+]
620081;1397306112;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://37.media.tumblr.com/7e7b7c3cc7116db48b6d5fc1aa2ba7f4/tumblr_mzyn5lRZVl1skfvtio1_500.jpg
620082;1397306211;pankkake;so cute
620083;1397306316;mircea_popescu;clearly she's having fun
620084;1397306478;kakobrekla;a, so we have a new potential AA member
620085;1397306507;kakobrekla;im talking about the blog, to be clear.
620086;1397306550;mircea_popescu;i think so. khersonus add an about page ? a name, a pic of you in a dilapidated room with half a cloth in the window ?
620087;1397306604;mircea_popescu;"Markus Persson @notch · 1h I got an invitation to this cool sounding exclusive "important people talk to each other and change the world" thing. I make games. Games." << twasn't me.
620088;1397306616;pankkake;kakobrekla: already added it :p should show at next update
620089;1397306623;bounce;http://pastebin.ca/2694974
620090;1397306630;kakobrekla;pankkake  :o
620091;1397306669;mircea_popescu;wait, pankkake maintains the assimilation ?
620092;1397306697;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-]
620093;1397306699;pankkake;if it's not updated it's worthless
620094;1397306722;mircea_popescu;bounce if a name is allowed on the basis of two (multiple) ratings, which do you put in the "by" field ?
620095;1397306739;mircea_popescu;nm
620096;1397306751;mircea_popescu;all it takes is READ... dun du-dun dun dun
620097;1397306802;mircea_popescu;bounce you could encapsulate this as a webservice, incidentally.
620098;1397306809;mircea_popescu;bounce.com?q=derpy_nick
620099;1397306842;bounce;way too spendy to get bounce.com
620100;1397306843;kakobrekla;yes, pankkake came up with AA
620101;1397306845;bounce;but perchance, yes
620102;1397306859;mircea_popescu;titsbounce.com ?
620103;1397306877;mircea_popescu;or i guess boobiesbounce.biz
620104;1397306882;mircea_popescu;now THAT's a killer domain name
620105;1397306902;mircea_popescu;BB.B can be stylized into one heckova logo.
620106;1397306983;mircea_popescu;;;rate lampelina 1 Kako vouches for her up to over 9000 bitcoinz provided it's to buy shoes and things.
620107;1397306984;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
620108;1397306991;mircea_popescu;o no!
620109;1397307057;bounce;the way I'm doing it now is simply recording all the info and printing it. I suppose that getting the results for a single nick would be better done taking the set union of everyone assbot has rated with everyone the target has received ratings from. that's only two json queries (or a single select given access to the database)
620110;1397307208;khersonus;mircea_popescu: sorry, was afk. Heh, yeah, need to work on the blog a bit.
620111;1397308266;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04998999 = 0.4999 BTC [+] {2} 
620112;1397308614;mircea_popescu;pankkake http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/#comment-98993
620113;1397308625;nubbins`;;;later tell mircea_popescu mid-30s isn't old if you're a tree
620114;1397308625;gribble;The operation succeeded.
620115;1397308640;nubbins`;i mean, the same thing without ;;later tell
620116;1397308644;mircea_popescu;im a weed.
620117;1397308659;nubbins`;is this a trick to get me to smoke you? ;(
620118;1397308662;mircea_popescu;hahaha
620119;1397309055;pankkake;mid-30s is old?
620120;1397309082;pankkake;I feel I only have one year left anyway
620121;1397309240;ThickAsThieves;"<MisterE> well was nice chatting with you for a time I'm not fucking around with the +m nonsense"
620122;1397309246;ThickAsThieves;i chatted with him?
620123;1397309279;ThickAsThieves;maybe he was a socker
620124;1397309341;ThickAsThieves;" The bill, snarkily named the "Let Me Google That For You Act," sets its sights on the NTIS for charging for technical reports that anyone can Google for free."
620125;1397309362;dexX7;<bounce> http://pastebin.ca/2694974 + gephi => http://i.imgur.com/xfGIozu.png
620126;1397309412;Apocalyptic;nice graph
620127;1397309445;bounce;the bigger the node the bigger the guilt ;-)
620128;1397309449;dexX7;hehe
620129;1397309733;bounce;the existence of elites, at least the part where some people are regarded as "better" than others in some sort of fancy or other, is not bad by and of itself. the problems arise (and I'd surmise egalitarians' complaints partly stem from this) when people work on shutting out other people on essentially arbitrary grounds so as to, well, keep the thing exclusive in ways quite disconnected from the original merit
620130;1397309813;bounce;in other words, elites work better when everyone has a comparable shot at getting in and the same risk of getting thrown out.
620131;1397309853;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06599978 = 0.132 BTC [+] {2} 
620132;1397309880;ThickAsThieves;that's an ideal, not a reality though
620133;1397309896;Apocalyptic;"when everyone has a comparable shot at getting in" that's hardly true
620134;1397309901;ThickAsThieves;an elite, by definition, will always have a better position to stay one
620135;1397309927;ThickAsThieves;though that doesnt have to mean there is no way they can lose it
620136;1397309961;ThickAsThieves;but for example, ousting kakobrekla would be a tough one
620137;1397309988;mircea_popescu;bounce pretty nice gb
620138;1397310056;mircea_popescu;bounce whence the quote ?
620139;1397310065;dexX7;i quoted the paste
620140;1397310072;dexX7;it's mine ;)
620141;1397310113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00096739 = 11.3185 BTC [-]
620142;1397310138;nubbins`;!up mius_
620143;1397310138;assbot;Voicing mius_ for 30 minutes.
620144;1397310158;mircea_popescu;o hey. pretty nice dexX7 :X
620145;1397310160;bounce;the graph thing is dexx7's, yes
620146;1397310201;mircea_popescu;o look, nano's like teh sun
620147;1397310214;mircea_popescu;black hole gobbling up the sentient cloud of assets
620148;1397310252;nubbins`;hey, there's me!
620149;1397310279;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i would guess you qualify as what they call a facilitator.
620150;1397310285;mircea_popescu;like you know, whores.
620151;1397310288;nubbins`;heh.
620152;1397310303;bounce;ITYM pimps?
620153;1397310305;nubbins`;my wot substantially grew with nano's rating
620154;1397310373;mircea_popescu;bounce no, i don't international tournament of youn mathematicians pimp. i international tournament of youn mathematicians whore.
620155;1397310396;bounce;o_O?
620156;1397310397;mircea_popescu;because a little known twist of the renaissance is that most of the business started by chance meetings in brothels and prostitutes' rooms
620157;1397310399;nubbins`;well, i *am* a mathematician
620158;1397310407;mircea_popescu;between gents who were both affluent but otherwise'd have never met.
620159;1397310411;nubbins`;and mid-30s isn't old if you're a tree...
620160;1397310425;mircea_popescu;but i'm a weed
620161;1397310433;mircea_popescu;;;google seinology "i'm a weed"
620162;1397310434;gribble;Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 158-The Voice: <http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-158.shtml>; Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 42-The Trip(2): <http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-42.shtml>; Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 142-The Chicken Roaster: <http://seinology.com/scripts/script-142.shtml>
620163;1397310540;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/PmB4GvAd
620164;1397310541;ozbot;Dear Polimedia,    In casually researching the Cardano I came across your announ - Pastebin.com
620165;1397310560;nubbins`;tl;dr: "I am happy to provide the above services at 5% of that cost, i.e. for $25,000 - paid half up-front in BTC (about 54 BTC) and half upon project completion (about 54 BTC)."
620166;1397310621;mircea_popescu;you too brute ?!
620167;1397310716;nubbins`;http://therecoveringpolitician.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/knowledge-is-power-41.jpg
620168;1397310791;ThickAsThieves;I just realized this new Havelock IPO is another "AM" ...
620169;1397310805;nubbins`;but without dividends
620170;1397310825;ThickAsThieves;who needs divs when you have an A, AND a M
620171;1397310855;ThickAsThieves;ActM got their first server up
620172;1397310856;ThickAsThieves;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzgxGaVWlpU&feature=youtu.be
620173;1397310856;ozbot;IMG 8978 - YouTube
620174;1397310865;ThickAsThieves;i imagine thats the sound of Ken's hell
620175;1397310866;mircea_popescu;so the chick made... bacon quiche.
620176;1397310871;mircea_popescu;da fuck am i gonna do now.
620177;1397310882;nubbins`;tuck in!
620178;1397310887;mircea_popescu;lol
620179;1397310899;nubbins`;belt-loosening is optional, based on portion size ;D
620180;1397310944;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/gJXyvXgd
620181;1397310944;ozbot;New Product Design         The primary benefits that will be shown by my 20-50 p - Pastebin.com
620182;1397310983;nubbins`;pretty much just chin-wagging
620183;1397311002;ThickAsThieves;lemme guess, none of his plans solve any of his stated problems
620184;1397311035;nubbins`;the earlier pastebin at least attempts to enumerate them properly
620185;1397311083;ThickAsThieves;get the guy to escrow 54btc himself, and 54btc from SNSA
620186;1397311087;bounce;ok, so, I'm not an expert and so I keep on wondering whether it's me or that guy who's not understanding, but at the same time my brains fall out. wtf is he on about?
620187;1397311092;ThickAsThieves;then if they use his info he gets both
620188;1397311096;ThickAsThieves;if not, he loses both
620189;1397311129;ThickAsThieves;of course he obv does not have 54btc
620190;1397311149;pankkake;http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/win-bitcoin-creating-good-baseball-bitbet/2014/04/12
620191;1397311157;nubbins`;"Well it turns out it could be resolved extremely simply.  If the Cardano had any sort of display it could simply display the hash value of what it was about to sign: the user would manually have to click through to approve that particular hash."
620192;1397311169;nubbins`;y'know, because humans can glance at a hash and tell if it's valid
620193;1397311169;bounce;he doesn't? he's worked with "$100B" companies!
620194;1397311242;Apocalyptic;don't you nubbins` ?
620195;1397311247;Apocalyptic;i thought you were a mathematician
620196;1397311253;nubbins`;sure, but i'm a m... ah, you get it
620197;1397311699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60988299 = 1.8296 BTC [+] {3} 
620198;1397311841;punkman;so this lasts longer than 30 minutes?
620199;1397311928;dexX7;http://www.coindesk.com/wladimir-van-der-laans-top-four-priorities-bitcoin/ << sounds good
620200;1397311975;punkman;;;rate assbot AMAZING BOT
620201;1397311975;gribble;Error: 'AMAZING' is not a valid integer.
620202;1397311988;punkman;;;rate assbot 1 AMAZING BOT
620203;1397311990;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user assbot has been recorded.
620204;1397312086;ThickAsThieves;"Perhaps a more troubling problem for those who manage a large number of wallets through Bitcoin-Qt, the software has an upper limit to the number of private keys it can store. If you generate more keys than the upper limit, the software overwrites older keys to make space."
620205;1397312098;Apocalyptic;this is plainly misleading
620206;1397312108;ThickAsThieves;that's true? or?
620207;1397312187;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0651001 = 0.4557 BTC [-]
620208;1397312191;ThickAsThieves;some of this sounds good, some sounds scary
620209;1397312218;pankkake;"Error: 'AMAZING' is not a valid integer." clearly a bug
620210;1397312248;ThickAsThieves;"In any case, Van der Laan says his job is not to direct the bitcoin project like a dictator."
620211;1397312382;dexX7;i once reported a gui issue on github and his response was "In any case feel free to make it what you think is better, I'm sick of bikeshedding about these kind of details." >_>"
620212;1397312430;ThickAsThieves;i guess he's no steve jobs at least
620213;1397312597;Apocalyptic;ThickAsThieves, I have no knowledge of bitcoin-qt deleting older keys, let alone "to make space"...
620214;1397312609;Apocalyptic;what nonsense is this
620215;1397312625;ThickAsThieves;seems absurd
620216;1397312645;Apocalyptic;i suspect he got confused with the keypool explanation that follows
620217;1397312659;ThickAsThieves;i know large wallets can get bogged to a crawl, but he's implying there is specificlaly programming to delete keys
620218;1397312914;punkman;http://surprisecatherine.com/
620219;1397312914;ozbot;Surprise Catherine
620220;1397313028;ThickAsThieves;:/
620221;1397313030;pankkake;!down punkman
620222;1397313030;assbot;pankkake, punkman is not voiced.
620223;1397313036;asciilifeform;nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/gJXyvXgd << spaminator never tires?
620224;1397313090;punkman;but I am
620225;1397313095;asciilifeform;how come we don't get unsolicited offers from useful folks, like chinese soldering gurlz willing to work for btc.
620226;1397313168;asciilifeform;<robwhiz22> An ad hominem attack does not make your current design other than totally insecure and snake oil.  It does not meet the usage case that was published, and is unfit for any purpose.  You and Mr. Popescu can refuse my offer (of course) but the behavior I have seen in channel does not leave me surprised that you have missed your Christmas shipping time by 4 months.
620227;1397313184;asciilifeform;(that was him, five seconds ago)
620228;1397313192;asciilifeform;<robwhiz22> The offer is not unsolicited - as quoted the cryptome announcement welcomes critiques, which you have now received.
620229;1397313198;punkman;so he wants more openssl in his cardano or something?
620230;1397313224;asciilifeform;he started out by wanting... wifi.
620231;1397313240;bounce;moar heartbleed
620232;1397313248;punkman;how about a camera?
620233;1397313289;*;asciilifeform went for a year of irc without having to learn 'killfile' feature, now has to look it up in a hurry.
620234;1397313304;asciilifeform;but, what the hell,
620235;1397313314;asciilifeform;;;up robwhiz22
620236;1397313314;gribble;Error: "up" is not a valid command.
620237;1397313325;punkman;!up robwhiz22
620238;1397313325;assbot;Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
620239;1397313331;asciilifeform;ty
620240;1397313361;robwhiz22;Thank you.
620241;1397313385;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: you have exactly 30 min. - or until someone barfs.
620242;1397313411;robwhiz22;Yes, I read how this works.
620243;1397313459;bounce;ThickAsThieves: elites aren't egalitarian, you'll recall. some are more leet than others. :-)  the point rather is that if you're an elite shoemaker and son of an elite shoemaker you should be able to get in on traits acquired by exposure to shoemaker, not by dint of birth. even though that birth helped you along.
620244;1397313480;pankkake;https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=714 :| :| :| :|
620245;1397313514;bounce;s/shoemaker,/shoemaking,/
620246;1397313529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00096655 = 15.9964 BTC [-] {2} 
620247;1397313535;kakobrekla;yeah btc crashing, tell your mother to invest to save it!! we wanna be rich again!
620248;1397313548;pankkake;also, bitcoin is a meme
620249;1397313557;robwhiz22;I did not intend for nubbins` to publish those two pastebins.  I can answer any questions on them.
620250;1397313561;kakobrekla;i just read the title.
620251;1397313566;punkman;kakobrekla: why can't pankkake !down me?
620252;1397313588;kakobrekla;cause i made assumptions
620253;1397313597;kakobrekla;thats the real cause.
620254;1397313603;punkman;great
620255;1397313624;punkman;for me at least
620256;1397313632;bounce;robwhiz22: you were warned repeatedly that this was expected and required and I'm reasonably sure you gave permission for the receiver to do whatever they liked with the information.
620257;1397313643;kakobrekla;a fix is coming, later today i think.
620258;1397313655;robwhiz22;bounce, yes.
620259;1397313670;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: if you dislike public mockery, you can still remain a fool - just don't be a public fool.
620260;1397313730;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, as mentioned ad hominem attacks don't improve a design.  I can say that usually, companies will have several iterations of completely internal design proposals that htey will consider.  I've never heard of a company that wanted to ship products thta would have wanted proposals (even from consultants etc) to be public in this way.
620261;1397313752;fluffypony;What's that saying about it being better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than open your mouth and confirm everyone's suspicion? Something like that.
620262;1397313771;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: you are the same kind of 'consultant' as the beggars who 'wash' cars at stoplights with dirty rags without permission and demand money
620263;1397313887;ThickAsThieves;robwhiz22, yknow, if you offered one "free" bit of useful advice, something of value, you'd get more than 54btc worth out of it
620264;1397313908;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, and you are the same kind of "engineer" as the ones who promise a perpetual motion machine and take investment for it from people they dupe.  How does this help the conversatoin?
620265;1397313929;ThickAsThieves;just guve your shit away if it's usable
620266;1397313935;ThickAsThieves;then maybe you get a job
620267;1397313940;robwhiz22;ThickAsThieves, I offered 3 specific ways in which the Cardano fails to meet its mission.
620268;1397313961;Apocalyptic;robwhiz22, I don't think you did
620269;1397313966;ThickAsThieves;i think ascii would differ
620270;1397313972;robwhiz22;ThickAsThieves, new architectures for radically new product categories don't write themselves.  It will take me six weeks just to come up with 20-50 pages at a high-level.
620271;1397313982;ThickAsThieves;gimme a break
620272;1397313999;robwhiz22;Apocalyptic, did you read the pastebin?  It was not cleaned up for a public disclosure but I can answer any questions on it.
620273;1397314010;ThickAsThieves;who cares about cleaned up
620274;1397314020;Apocalyptic;the 'public library fake usb host' is laughable
620275;1397314033;asciilifeform;robwhiz22 is free to build his own 'cardano,' with hookers and blackjack.
620276;1397314040;bounce;not to be unkind but the amount of words you spent failing to convey your message don't inspire confidence that 20..50 pages will do better
620277;1397314047;ThickAsThieves;youve been full of shit since you ninjashogunned your way in here, now it's your job to fix it
620278;1397314073;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, if you have an attacker with physical access you have already lost
620279;1397314077;mircea_popescu;!up skylytez
620280;1397314077;assbot;Voicing skylytez for 30 minutes.
620281;1397314087;robwhiz22;bounce, the audience for that letter was Mircea who I think understands security to a certain level. I am happy to explain any of the points, but it was not a public document.
620282;1397314088;Apocalyptic;* robwhiz22 rather
620283;1397314102;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: i spent hours trying to explain exactly this to him.
620284;1397314111;ThickAsThieves;it's public now, get over it
620285;1397314121;skylytez;Hi Mircea. I'm just trying to learn what I can from your blog. I'm actually looking for the 29 people
620286;1397314122;robwhiz22;Apocalyptic, yes.  And the snake oil being sold here is that if you have an attacker with physical access, then if you have a Cardano you haven't lost. It's snake oil.
620287;1397314131;robwhiz22;Apocalyptic, but it's only snake oil in the current design :)
620288;1397314134;mircea_popescu;dexX7 not bad, perhaps with 4 moved as a 1
620289;1397314208;robwhiz22;The idea of the Cardano is quite simple.  It is described in mircea_popescu's specs: http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/  -- it says, "Consider the case of visiting a random net cafe or public library. Without Cardano you are in a relatively tough spot : even should you carry your gpg keyring and gpg software on a USB stick, and even should you be able to install gpg software on the respective computer, typing in t
620290;1397314209;robwhiz22;he keyring passphrase would in all likelihood compromise that key."
620291;1397314229;fluffypony;Guys if anyone is interested I'm selling my report on why robwhiz22's report is wrong for the low price of $20 000 in BTC up-front. If I get more than 3 buyers I'll include a copy of his report as well.
620292;1397314237;fluffypony;My report is rather short
620293;1397314243;bounce;robwhiz22, two can play the argument from authority game. plenty more read it and I don't see anyone agreeing with you. ie you failed to convince.
620294;1397314245;fluffypony;But I'm sure you'll find it worth the money
620295;1397314249;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu and asciilifeform are selling hte snake oil that they will fix this.  They have  taken investment for it.  Their solution is totally broken and unfit for this usage case.
620296;1397314257;ThickAsThieves;i'm selling another 30min of !up to robwhizz for 54btc
620297;1397314266;mircea_popescu;skylytez heya. they're in the log, two different people have made parsers
620298;1397314268;fluffypony;lol
620299;1397314270;mircea_popescu;!topic
620300;1397314276;mircea_popescu;;;topic
620301;1397314276;gribble;http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
620302;1397314279;robwhiz22;(bounce, I've received agreements)
620303;1397314284;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: why not hush and wait for the machine. then collect 10btc (from me) and perhaps more from others, if you can reflash the unit without opening the case, through usb.
620304;1397314289;skylytez;Thanks MP
620305;1397314291;mircea_popescu;the more recent pastebin by bounce is instructive, and dex made a graph
620306;1397314294;bounce;share, please.
620307;1397314340;robwhiz22;asciilifeform Because the machine is unfit to be manufactured today.  Why would I "wait for it" and have this idea totally disappear, instead of being iterated on and working and being something big.
620308;1397314354;robwhiz22;(by 'this idea' I mean your device.)
620309;1397314387;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, it was my understanding that you and mircea_popescu have taken investment for it.  Why would you use it to manufacture sometihng faulty that does not meet its described usage case?  That is fraudulent.
620310;1397314389;fluffypony;robwhiz22: Then open source your criticisms
620311;1397314417;fluffypony;Costs to cover manufacturing != costs to cover design
620312;1397314461;robwhiz22;fluffypony I think they have sufficient investment to cover the design.  It's a very low amount due to the category being totally new.
620313;1397314478;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: many if not most of the folks who bought s.nsa shares are likely here. go on and convince them that they are fools...
620314;1397314502;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, they are not fools.  So far you haven't shipped something broken, and have the time and resources to fix things.
620315;1397314526;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, moreover perhaps attention to detail is what caused some of the shipping delays to begin with.  This is why I wrote with a proposal to help while things can be helped.
620316;1397314532;ThickAsThieves;if i recall, the product will be demonstrated next week, no?
620317;1397314595;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, the issue you brought up about reflashing is one that I wanted to address very briefly in the shorter write-up on the Cardano A.  I believe you've found microcontrollers that can't be reflashed from USB.
620318;1397314633;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, it is not a main sourcecoming.  I've only summarized things that render the Cardano totally unfit in its present form.
620319;1397314655;robwhiz22;(for the usage described/sold).
620320;1397314665;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: so far the only thing you've convinced the people here of is - to add a bozo filter to the channel.
620321;1397314672;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: take a moment to contemplate this.
620322;1397314716;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, like I said if you are convincing people to trust an insecure design that is unfit for the usage case you sell, you are a fraud.  Convincing people to trust it is fraudulent.
620323;1397314744;fluffypony;asciilifeform: Well, to be fair, he's convinced me that I can sell a bullshit report for $25k. That's a learning:)
620324;1397314786;ThickAsThieves;but he hasnt
620325;1397314787;robwhiz22;fluffypony, the amount varies.  I've taken into consideration the fact that Polimedia is a 'startup' and also not asking for any equity, royalty, etc.  It's also trailblazing something radically new.
620326;1397314802;fluffypony;Oh dude awesome
620327;1397314810;fluffypony;I'm going to ask for equity as well
620328;1397314815;fluffypony;And profit share
620329;1397314817;robwhiz22;fluffypony, the amount isn't totally fixed.
620330;1397314819;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform honestly, the bozo filter is a result of trader1333, not this derp or that other one.
620331;1397314820;fluffypony;And royalties
620332;1397314823;fluffypony;I'll be rich!
620333;1397314843;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even so - it is good to have it.
620334;1397314850;fluffypony;brb emailing Apple
620335;1397314878;robwhiz22;If investors are here they may read the private proposal and step up to pay for the report and internal design proposal. 15sdNNq9Rk8JM7VENnPvPeoCwTW7ScHHZA
620336;1397314908;robwhiz22;They will only receive a copy of the proposal if mircea_popescu and asciilifeform decide to share it however.  It is important not to get people's expectations up if some feature won't be included in the first iteration, for example.
620337;1397314938;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: I don't know, I mean, would he be pushing this hard if he'd never made a sale?
620338;1397314961;mircea_popescu;in a word, yes.
620339;1397314965;robwhiz22;fluffypony, I've never made a sale in apublic forum like htis.
620340;1397314968;*;bounce would expect such investors to at least want to know whom they're dealing with. got any references, a CV, that sort of thing?
620341;1397314973;asciilifeform;incidentally, this is not a bad time to point out that 'cardano' and future s.nsa products are meant for adults.
620342;1397314976;mircea_popescu;think of how hard virgin boys push, and compare to normal people.
620343;1397314979;robwhiz22;fluffypony, it's an EXTREMELY unusual request from mircea_popescu that business be conducted here.
620344;1397314991;mircea_popescu;they who evere made a sale have some representation of how hard to push. those who never have however...
620345;1397314992;mircea_popescu;no clue.
620346;1397315018;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, if you were not interested I would have expected that reply from you to one of my two follow-up emails.
620347;1397315025;asciilifeform;that is, folks who are willing to take the time to understand the design - or are on speaking terms with a competent engineer, who will - before putting it to use in anger.
620348;1397315039;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, however I believe you are not interested in selling snake oil and would be genuinely interested in creating a product that meets your basic claims about it.
620349;1397315048;robwhiz22;mircea_popescu, I could be wrong of course.
620350;1397315074;bounce;so, you're selling snake oil detection services for the low, low price of 54 bitcoin?
620351;1397315090;robwhiz22;!up robwhiz22
620352;1397315090;assbot;robwhiz22, robwhiz22 is already voiced.
620353;1397315092;robwhiz22;can I up myself?
620354;1397315105;fluffypony;robwhiz22: you're wrong, this is the sekrit channel for snake oil only
620355;1397315106;robwhiz22;bounce - Did you read my emails?
620356;1397315110;bounce;;;gettrust assbot robwhiz22
620357;1397315110;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user robwhiz22: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=robwhiz22 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=robwhiz22 | Rated since: never
620358;1397315114;bounce;nope, you can't.
620359;1397315123;robwhiz22;bounce - that were posted here?
620360;1397315126;*;fluffypony buys some oil for his snakes
620361;1397315154;asciilifeform;here we sell groundhog oil only. 'bitcointalk' for all of your snake oil needs.
620362;1397315227;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: at the rate you're going, you will have to pay folks to 'voice' you.
620363;1397315242;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: don't bother private-messaging me - i'm done.
620364;1397315299;pankkake;posting a bitcoin address right away is certainly grounds for a !down
620365;1397315304;mircea_popescu;i'll do it for 1 btc
620366;1397315323;mircea_popescu;guy's on my ignore, so we have a classical example of disaster of commons : i'm selling him your ears, fellow countrymen
620367;1397315328;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/sFD0P4M.jpg
620368;1397315342;*;asciilifeform goes off to catch the falling leaves of sakuras.
620369;1397315346;fluffypony;Someone sell me oil for my snake
620370;1397315488;Blazedout419;lol
620371;1397315489;asciilifeform;parting gift, for the entertainment of the gentlemen,
620372;1397315493;asciilifeform;!up robwhiz22
620373;1397315493;assbot;Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
620374;1397315506;bounce;such gifts
620375;1397315510;fluffypony;Awwww asciilifeform
620376;1397315523;fluffypony;I was about to extort 1 BTC out if him
620377;1397315535;bounce;another 30 minutes, another chance
620378;1397315545;asciilifeform;fluffypony: gag him and ask for the coin, then
620379;1397315550;fluffypony;Another day another dollar
620380;1397315574;fluffypony;asciilifeform: I'll wait for him to screw up again and hold him for random
620381;1397315578;fluffypony;random
620382;1397315579;fluffypony;Ransom
620383;1397315588;robwhiz22;thank you, asciilifeform.
620384;1397315588;fluffypony;Funking  autocorrect
620385;1397315618;fluffypony;Wow. Autocorrect can't even curse correctly.
620386;1397315672;robwhiz22;well, mircea_popescu has said in channel that he put me on ignore (a strange reaction after inviting me in here.)  As I presume he and the chief engineer make joint decisions, the only way the investors in s.nsa will have the benefits of the new design, and corrections to the existing design, is if they pay for them as part of supporting their investment.  ("Adding value", so they say.)
620387;1397315674;mircea_popescu;amazing autocorrect
620388;1397315674;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
620389;1397315712;fluffypony;robwhiz22: Why not make a competing product? You can talk to Markus about an IPO:-P
620390;1397315725;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61110471 BTC [+]
620391;1397315798;robwhiz22;fluffypony, as mircea_popescu and asciilifeform have shown by slipping 4 months on their delivery schedule, it is extremely difficult to bring a security product to market.  Plus, it's their idea.  It really would be better for them to have the proposals for their consideration.  I suppose they can also share in here if they want wider feedback.
620392;1397315841;robwhiz22;fluffypony, for both of those reasons it would not make very much sense for me to take their idea and compete with them.  They're just the ones to do it.  (Or so I thought.)
620393;1397315878;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: if you'd offered something of value (e.g. quick-turn manufacturing capability) you would have had eager ears.
620394;1397315908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.06510013 = 1.1067 BTC [+] {3} 
620395;1397315910;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04977428 = 0.1493 BTC [-] {3} 
620396;1397315921;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, I guarantee you that you will see very big value in your resulting market.  In additition, no longer selling snake oil- i.e. a product that actually works in the usage cases offered - is its own reward.
620397;1397315969;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0497757 = 0.1493 BTC [+] {3} 
620398;1397315971;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, manufacturing is actually a smaller value-add than design, because someone can always copy your finalized designs.
620399;1397315987;asciilifeform;this coming from the fellow who demanded a radio transmitter in the unit.
620400;1397315989;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, I am also not selling completed designs but rather internal high-level proposals for your consideration.
620401;1397316030;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.036889 = 0.1476 BTC [+]
620402;1397316071;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, this, coming from someone who isn't sure whether his chips can be reflashed over USB :)
620403;1397316077;asciilifeform;'isn't sure'
620404;1397316088;asciilifeform;now we've stepped up the game to straight lying
620405;1397316108;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: the beauty of it all is that you - and chinese ipNohe makers - any anybody - can take the design and build whatever they want. and buyers can freely choose between cardano and turdano.
620406;1397316126;fluffypony;Turdano
620407;1397316127;fluffypony;In brown
620408;1397316137;fluffypony;That's my 6th choice
620409;1397316138;asciilifeform;in brown. with openssl.
620410;1397316149;fluffypony;asciilifeform: Yes plz
620411;1397316153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03689949 = 0.1476 BTC [+] {2} 
620412;1397316162;fluffypony;Shipping Q4 2016
620413;1397316166;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, if you were "sure" you wouldn't have offered a bounty.  The purpose of the bounty is to motivate active, friendly attack.
620414;1397316207;asciilifeform;the purpose of the bounty is to reveal silicon boobytraps. electron microscope costs more than 10 btc.
620415;1397316218;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, right.
620416;1397316251;asciilifeform;though i intend to invest in one as soon as i get more floor space.
620417;1397316316;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, there are vectors (social/business/etc) to reflashing over USB that you should think of before considering silicon boobytraps.
620418;1397316375;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, I will include an analysis of whether you can rely on your chip design which cannot be reflashed over USB, as part of the first part (the Cardano A full document).
620419;1397316514;robwhiz22;(This is a shorter document and will remain at a higher level.  It is not a low-level security audit.)
620420;1397316523;asciilifeform;robwhiz22: if your objective is to get us to cough up details of supply chain logistics, go tell the fuhrer that you failed.
620421;1397316538;robwhiz22;No.
620422;1397316549;robwhiz22;I don't need any details or any input from you.  The process doesn't need to be iterative.
620423;1397316555;asciilifeform;!down robwhiz22
620424;1397316555;assbot;Can't do that, asciilifeform.
620425;1397316572;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: wat.
620426;1397316575;robwhiz22;Out of my experience, it does help to receive half up-front and then half when I state the documents are prepared and show their existence and length.
620427;1397316588;pankkake;!down robwhiz22
620428;1397316598;pankkake;weird
620429;1397316599;asciilifeform;ty
620430;1397316614;kakobrekla;yes yes update cumin
620431;1397316658;asciilifeform;<robwhiz22> I didn't ask you for any details.
620432;1397316665;asciilifeform;robwhiz22> (And won't be asking for some.)  I mean, I see that you are concerned whether the chips that you have selected can really be trusted not to be reflashable over USB.  This will be addressed briefly in the shorter documen.t
620433;1397316665;asciilifeform;<robwhiz22> I don't need to know the details.
620434;1397316672;asciilifeform;damn the moron won't shut up.
620435;1397316678;asciilifeform;well, he can talk to the aether.
620436;1397316690;asciilifeform;the sakura leaves won't catch themselves.
620437;1397316715;pankkake;robwhiz22: just make a better cardano and let the market decide
620438;1397316756;*;asciilifeform would rather feed pigeons than trolls.
620439;1397316765;fluffypony;I agree with pankkake
620440;1397316785;fluffypony;We've just gotten to friends for supper
620441;1397316799;fluffypony;Having a lamb potjie
620442;1397316812;fluffypony;Sorry robwhiz22, you'll have to buy voice from someone else
620443;1397316823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
620444;1397316824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
620445;1397316828;Anduck;!up robwhiz22
620446;1397316828;assbot;Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
620447;1397316831;Anduck;hehehe
620448;1397316835;robwhiz22;Thank you, Anduck.
620449;1397316847;fluffypony;Cheers all
620450;1397316860;pankkake;;;rate Anduck -1 whore
620451;1397316861;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user Anduck has been recorded.
620452;1397316862;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, you have misunderstood me and I do not intend to receive any internal informatoin about your supply chain, designs, or anything else.  I would just contribute based on what I have found publicly.
620453;1397316864;Anduck;behave, robwhiz22
620454;1397316864;kakobrekla;how much was it
620455;1397316865;pankkake;lol shit
620456;1397316868;pankkake;;;unrate Anduck
620457;1397316870;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for Anduck.
620458;1397316890;pankkake;I inserted a double bold character but it was stripped by the ircd. silly
620459;1397316918;Anduck;gribble'ss wise
620460;1397316922;robwhiz22;Also, ad hominem name-calling (obviously) doesn't improve designs.  However, I have had bosses that swear like sailors, so I will let it slide.
620461;1397317071;ThickAsThieves;!down robwhizz22
620462;1397317071;assbot;ThickAsThieves, robwhizz22 is not voiced.
620463;1397317077;ThickAsThieves;!down robwhiz22
620464;1397317077;assbot;Can't do that, ThickAsThieves.
620465;1397317082;ThickAsThieves;curses
620466;1397317144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1609 @ 0.00020067 = 0.3229 BTC [+] {6} 
620467;1397317189;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 891 @ 0.00021208 = 0.189 BTC [+] {3} 
620468;1397317190;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03689925 = 0.1476 BTC [-] {2} 
620469;1397317318;robwhiz22;So, if someone is an investor in n.nsa they can commission the internal design proposals (and briefer security overview of the current Cardano).  They can own the results until/unless N.NSA uses it, and if N.NSA never ships anything, then it won't be a total loss to the investor.
620470;1397317327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8097 @ 0.00096537 = 7.8166 BTC [+]
620471;1397317419;robwhiz22;So far they have slipped over 4 months on a delivery schedule, and have a non-functional product for the usage described.
620472;1397317455;mod6;stfu, and its s.nsa
620473;1397317478;robwhiz22;OK
620474;1397317644;kakobrekla;!up cgcardona_
620475;1397317644;assbot;Voicing cgcardona_ for 30 minutes.
620476;1397317653;kakobrekla;you want smth?
620477;1397317677;cgcardona_;wondering about the 'last seen' command.
620478;1397317686;cgcardona_;wanting to see last time MGK- was around
620479;1397317688;kakobrekla;it works with gribble not assbot
620480;1397317692;kakobrekla;;;seen mgk
620481;1397317692;gribble;mgk was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 10 hours, 44 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <MGK> miner would you like me to send you some bitcoin so you can be cool too?
620482;1397317702;cgcardona_;ah cool. thnx
620483;1397317766;cgcardona_;noticed that this deal looks like it was legit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557874.20. Wanting to follow up on the 1btc casasius (s)he mentioned having for sale. cc/ MGK (if you happen to see this)
620484;1397317774;cgcardona_;thnx
620485;1397317799;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.037 = 0.148 BTC [+] {2} 
620486;1397317860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
620487;1397317868;dexX7;would it be possible to create a gpg targeted firmware for a trezor device?
620488;1397317921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5182 @ 0.00096336 = 4.9921 BTC [-] {2} 
620489;1397318409;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.15514752 BTC to 7`679 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
620490;1397318695;bounce;cgcardona_: could try ;;later tell mgk <your message here>
620491;1397318700;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
620492;1397318701;ozbot;What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
620493;1397318710;mircea_popescu;i say that's a big deal.
620494;1397318735;cgcardona_;bounce: thanks. appreciate the help on the syntax.
620495;1397318849;cgcardona_;mircea_popescu: been wondering how that all works. will check that out as well. thx
620496;1397318870;mircea_popescu;cool.
620497;1397318983;cgcardona_;btw I finally heard back from the PiperWallet dude after a month. He said he was so slammed w/ orders that he hadn't checked his email and somehow my order got lost (sigh). Refunded me the btc and shipped the device. Should be here any day.
620498;1397318983;cgcardona_;funny he finally answered the *day after* I talked shit on twitter.
620499;1397318983;cgcardona_;basically slamming piperwallet and saying I'd never send any more btc their way. The next day I get an email w/ refund and shipped wallet
620500;1397319007;benkay;modern customer service.
620501;1397319020;cgcardona_;yea guess so
620502;1397319052;benkay;;;calc (1 + 5^.5)/2
620503;1397319052;gribble;Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
620504;1397319059;benkay;;;calc (1 + 5**.5)/2
620505;1397319060;gribble;1.61803398875
620506;1397319072;benkay;well, math still works.
620507;1397319094;cgcardona_;I heard the NSA are working on that
620508;1397319100;cgcardona_;should have it cracked any day now
620509;1397319107;cgcardona_;(math that is) ^
620510;1397319165;benkay;the little brother's new girlfriend turns out to be surprisingly difficult to discomfit.
620511;1397319169;benkay;she also does dishes.
620512;1397319182;benkay;i think she's a keeper, but we'll see over the long term.
620513;1397319250;benkay;robwhiz22: i dgaf about this 'improving the cardano' routine.
620514;1397319292;benkay;the cardano's not meant to address a large market.
620515;1397319484;Duffer1;too quiet
620516;1397319489;benkay;shut up
620517;1397319499;benkay;i was enjoying it.
620518;1397319505;Duffer1;:P
620519;1397319642;mircea_popescu;i guess time for moar tits.
620520;1397319681;nubbins`;!up robwhiz22
620521;1397319681;assbot;Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
620522;1397319817;mircea_popescu;basically kako worked his butt off for two days to add a hamster wheel to -assets
620523;1397320056;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC
620524;1397320125;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/IgwgX.jpg
620525;1397320184;bounce;no wings?
620526;1397320255;benkay;i was expecting tits.
620527;1397320300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1668 @ 0.00095902 = 1.5996 BTC [-]
620528;1397320317;bounce;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GreatTit002.jpg
620529;1397320464;bounce;!up Mats_cd03
620530;1397320464;assbot;Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
620531;1397320475;bounce;homie? HOMIE!?!
620532;1397320503;Mats_cd03;r u mad cause i implied a racial familiarity
620533;1397320551;bounce;what's race got to do with it?
620534;1397320603;Mats_cd03;what do you mean, you people?
620535;1397320630;nubbins`;bounce, that's a set of great tits
620536;1397320643;kakobrekla;!up test303030
620537;1397320643;assbot;Insufficient rights, kakobrekla.
620538;1397320649;Mats_cd03;mp: hamlion? awesome
620539;1397320680;Mats_cd03;or is that a cat... i can't tell...
620540;1397320710;benkay;new theory
620541;1397320711;Mats_cd03;(yes i know lions are cats)
620542;1397320719;benkay;robwhiz22 is tiberius
620543;1397320759;Mats_cd03;worst con ever
620544;1397320777;benkay;guys a pro
620545;1397320786;robwhiz22;benkay, no, I am not tiberius.
620546;1397320789;benkay;(if this holds)
620547;1397320793;benkay;!down robwhiz22
620548;1397320804;benkay;i like the troll tib, not the scammer tib.
620549;1397320814;nubbins`;more of a see-saw than a hamster wheel
620550;1397320816;Mats_cd03;dude needs to practice on marks that dont know shit
620551;1397320829;benkay;this is probably the best practice the guy's had in his life.
620552;1397320832;Mats_cd03;you have to be fucking dumb to try to con anybody in here
620553;1397320849;benkay;i don't think he's actually trying to con anyone.
620554;1397320862;benkay;it's just troll stuff. occupying attention. getting people goated.
620555;1397320863;bounce;some people believe they hold up to high standards
620556;1397320885;Mats_cd03;i think so
620557;1397320896;benkay;heh.
620558;1397320901;Mats_cd03;spouting some garbage and business and social vectors as an attack against the cardano?
620559;1397320908;benkay;someone in the shop complained that i was being obtuse recently.
620560;1397320912;Mats_cd03;err ^about business
620561;1397320914;benkay;i said "think, man, think!"
620562;1397320927;benkay;"i have high standards. don't disappoint me."
620563;1397320942;benkay;"i can't possibly be explicit with all the things bound up in that."
620564;1397320961;benkay;it was some ironic comment about web vs ios software deployments.
620565;1397320966;benkay;layered, complicated.
620566;1397320972;nubbins`;power speak!
620567;1397320974;benkay;i can't possibly unpack that shit in a fast moving conversation.
620568;1397320975;kakobrekla;!up test303030
620569;1397320983;benkay;i had my power stance on too
620570;1397320984;Mats_cd03;robwhiz22: yes i know your opinion. since there are multiple vectors it would not be a loss to reveal one of many?
620571;1397320989;benkay;BALLS FORWARDS
620572;1397320998;nubbins`;heh
620573;1397321004;nubbins`;so, leaning backwards?
620574;1397321012;benkay;yeah we don't lean in around here
620575;1397321020;Mats_cd03;robwhiz22: your btc addr is saved in this log, if the cardano ends up shipping with defects i will transmit 5btc myself
620576;1397321021;benkay;the only leaning that happens is backwards as my cock gets sucked
620577;1397321026;nubbins`;https://dancingreview.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/365b92ff1d394e9915162d4e6feb815d_01.jpg
620578;1397321033;nubbins`;^ benkay at work
620579;1397321036;nubbins`;:D
620580;1397321036;benkay;haha
620581;1397321037;benkay;yess
620582;1397321044;benkay;typing upside down
620583;1397321046;kakobrekla;!up test303030
620584;1397321046;assbot;Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.
620585;1397321051;benkay;i have a special backwards leaning standing desk
620586;1397321055;benkay;kbd taped to the bottom
620587;1397321056;nubbins`;twist: your mouth is open because someone else is power speaking at YOU
620588;1397321056;kakobrekla;!down test303030
620589;1397321065;benkay;what a twist!
620590;1397321079;benkay;ah mr back tic
620591;1397321084;benkay;you and my sides
620592;1397321086;nubbins`;that's actually a great pose
620593;1397321088;nubbins`;look at his feet
620594;1397321101;benkay;tough shit
620595;1397321103;nubbins`;nod
620596;1397321129;benkay;i have a great shaggy dog
620597;1397321132;kakobrekla;1up test303030
620598;1397321136;kakobrekla;!up test303030
620599;1397321136;assbot;Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.
620600;1397321139;benkay;starts with dancing
620601;1397321145;benkay;wanted to be a ballerina
620602;1397321149;kakobrekla;!down test303030
620603;1397321151;benkay;life intervenes
620604;1397321155;benkay;still want to be a ballerina
620605;1397321157;benkay;er
620606;1397321162;kakobrekla;!up test303030
620607;1397321162;assbot;Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.
620608;1397321163;benkay;what's the masculine version of that word?
620609;1397321166;kakobrekla;!up kakobrekla
620610;1397321166;assbot;Really, kakobrekla?
620611;1397321180;bounce;ballet dancer?
620612;1397321182;Mats_cd03;dongerina
620613;1397321185;benkay;anyways punchline is 'i still like throwing girls around - consensually' with a slow stare around the room
620614;1397321187;kakobrekla;!down kakobrekla
620615;1397321190;benkay;baller
620616;1397321210;kakobrekla;!up test303030
620617;1397321210;assbot;Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.
620618;1397321218;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 it's a ratnul
620619;1397321327;mircea_popescu;seems pretty homoerotic a pose.
620620;1397321337;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
620621;1397321348;nubbins`;daisy-chain for acrobats
620622;1397321364;mircea_popescu;anyway, out to enjoy teh weekend. with like, people. and humans.
620623;1397321368;mircea_popescu;catch you all laters.
620624;1397321377;kakobrekla;!up test303030
620625;1397321377;assbot;Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.
620626;1397321385;kakobrekla;!down test303030
620627;1397321390;kakobrekla;!up test303030
620628;1397321390;assbot;Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.
620629;1397321391;kakobrekla;!up test303030
620630;1397321391;assbot;Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.
620631;1397321425;kakobrekla;!down assbott
620632;1397321478;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
620633;1397321487;kakobrekla;!up test303030
620634;1397321487;assbot;Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.
620635;1397321492;test323232;!up kakobrekla
620636;1397321492;assbot;Insufficient rights, test323232.
620637;1397321513;test323232;!down test323232
620638;1397321555;kakobrekla;!up test323232
620639;1397321555;assbot;Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
620640;1397321581;bounce;go on then, you dog.
620641;1397321608;Mats_cd03;robwhiz22: on the off chance that you are not a con man, merely an idiot, consider spending more time reading the details re: the cardano that asciilifeform has provided
620642;1397321648;kakobrekla;!up test303030
620643;1397321648;assbot;Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.
620644;1397321653;kakobrekla;!up test323232
620645;1397321653;assbot;Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
620646;1397321658;kakobrekla;!down test32
620647;1397321661;kakobrekla;!down test323232
620648;1397321677;kakobrekla;!up test323232
620649;1397321677;assbot;Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
620650;1397321680;kakobrekla;!down test323232
620651;1397321692;kakobrekla;!down test303030
620652;1397321697;kakobrekla;!up kakobrekla
620653;1397321697;assbot;Really, kakobrekla?
620654;1397321725;kakobrekla;!up test303030
620655;1397321725;assbot;Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.
620656;1397321743;test323232;aa
620657;1397321752;test303030;aa
620658;1397321799;kakobrekla;!up test123123
620659;1397321799;assbot;Voicing test123123 for 30 minutes.
620660;1397321949;kakobrekla;!up testjuhu
620661;1397321949;assbot;Voicing testjuhu for 30 minutes.
620662;1397322121;kakobrekla;!up testjuhu2
620663;1397322121;assbot;Voicing testjuhu2 for 30 minutes.
620664;1397322241;kakobrekla;!up testjuhu2
620665;1397322241;assbot;Voicing testjuhu2 for 30 minutes.
620666;1397322252;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03689999 = 0.1107 BTC [-]
620667;1397322253;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04810053 = 0.1443 BTC [-]
620668;1397322267;kakobrekla;!up test323232
620669;1397322267;assbot;Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
620670;1397322290;Mats_cd03;robwhiz22: in fact ill match the 10btc previously offered. when the device ships, if you can hack the device or firmware, you will have 20 of the ~50btc you are asking for
620671;1397322375;kakobrekla;!up test1231
620672;1397322375;assbot;Voicing test1231 for 30 minutes.
620673;1397322379;kakobrekla;!up test323232
620674;1397322379;assbot;Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
620675;1397322729;kakobrekla;!up test1231
620676;1397322729;assbot;Voicing test1231 for 30 minutes.
620677;1397322855;kakobrekla;!up test1231
620678;1397322855;assbot;Voicing test1231 for 30 minutes.
620679;1397322861;kakobrekla;!up test1231
620680;1397322861;assbot;Voice for test1231 extended to 30 minutes.
620681;1397322862;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06521 = 0.3261 BTC [+]
620682;1397322868;kakobrekla;!up test323232
620683;1397322868;assbot;Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
620684;1397322974;kakobrekla;!up test323232
620685;1397322974;assbot;Voice for test323232 extended to 30 minutes.
620686;1397322980;kakobrekla;!down test323232
620687;1397322986;kakobrekla;!up test323232
620688;1397322986;assbot;Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
620689;1397323289;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05018995 = 0.1506 BTC [+]
620690;1397323300;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: Great article
620691;1397323325;fluffypony;Precisely the reason that ;;getrating still led to scammers succeeding
620692;1397323367;fluffypony;And why ;;gettrust has superseded it as default (despite being used by all who understood the wot previously)
620693;1397323485;fluffypony;Speaking of - bitcointalk's trust system is fundamentally broken - it's not a web if you only see one part of it. Are there any tools to express bitcointalk trust as a relationship model as with the wot?
620694;1397323594;pankkake;what do you mean one part?
620695;1397323643;pankkake;bitcointalk's trust is mostly useless because of defaulttrust, and the multiple entries allowed might not be a good idea either
620696;1397323703;pankkake;oh also it separated the "trust list" from the trust relationships…
620697;1397323716;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61499995 = 1.23 BTC [+] {2} 
620698;1397323777;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.62508857 = 4.3756 BTC [+] {3} 
620699;1397323807;fluffypony;pankkake: That's what I mean
620700;1397323813;fluffypony;You see an isolated silo if you're viewing someone's trust
620701;1397323838;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00580011 = 0.2494 BTC [+] {3} 
620702;1397323866;fluffypony;Indeed of seeing a product of relationships
620703;1397323901;pankkake;right. and no matter what, I kinda end up having DefaultTrust somewhere
620704;1397323930;fluffypony;Which defeats the purpose of it
620705;1397323981;pankkake;I suppose you could write a tool to interpret the relationships in another way… since those are public
620706;1397323992;fluffypony;Because wot doesn't care whether you're someone who just joined or you've been around for 10 years (Karpeles-Bitcoin timeline)
620707;1397324001;fluffypony;Yes I was thinking of that
620708;1397324086;fluffypony;But considering the pile Thermosflask is sitting on...he could literally pay for it to be re-engineered from scratch and built properly
620709;1397324094;fluffypony;And linked to the wot
620710;1397324133;pankkake;;;rated theymos
620711;1397324134;gribble;You rated user theymos on Tue Apr  1 22:52:27 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: Runs a forum catering to scammers, donations not used to do what he promised to.
620712;1397324172;pankkake;anyway there are things that are very easy to fix (colored ignores) that he doesn't fix, so he's voluntarily not caring
620713;1397324231;fluffypony;Yeah
620714;1397324237;fluffypony;Frustrating considering his position
620715;1397324442;benkay;fluffypony: totally understandable, given his position.
620716;1397324453;benkay;he runs the house of iniquity. why would he bring any light to the situation?
620717;1397324692;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.0058487 = 0.1228 BTC [+] {3} 
620718;1397324733;ThickAsThieves;http://news.yahoo.com/cherry-tree-space-mystery-baffles-japan-085044593.html
620719;1397324733;ozbot;'Cherry tree from space' mystery baffles Japan - Yahoo News
620720;1397324750;ThickAsThieves;<+fluffypony> But considering the pile Thermosflask is sitting on...he could literally pay for it to be re-engineered from scratch and built properly   /// yknow i kinda doubt he's still sitting on most of it
620721;1397324997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5464 @ 0.00096695 = 5.2834 BTC [+]
620722;1397325145;benkay;;;rate mod6 1 monk of the pearl
620723;1397325146;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mod6 has been recorded.
620724;1397325360;benkay;;;rate Duffer1 BETTER DROWNED THAN DUFFERS IF NOT DUFFERS WON'T DROWN
620725;1397325360;gribble;Error: 'BETTER' is not a valid integer.
620726;1397325365;benkay;;;rate Duffer1 1 BETTER DROWNED THAN DUFFERS IF NOT DUFFERS WON'T DROWN
620727;1397325366;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Duffer1 has been recorded.
620728;1397325392;benkay;;;rate davout 1 did not 0day me
620729;1397325393;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.
620730;1397325425;benkay;;;rate kakobrekla 2 much asset
620731;1397325426;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 1 to 2.
620732;1397325476;Duffer1;<3
620733;1397325489;benkay;ever read those books, Duffer1 ?
620734;1397325533;Duffer1;i haven't
620735;1397325536;Duffer1;googling now
620736;1397325538;benkay;;;rate asciilifeform 1 savvy with computation
620737;1397325539;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.
620738;1397325617;benkay;;;gettrust lampelina
620739;1397325617;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user lampelina: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=lampelina | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lampelina | Rated since: never
620740;1397325634;benkay;c'mon, lampelina you're making us all look bad here
620741;1397325640;bounce;curious how I can ask for ANY or NEG ratings, but not for POS ratings only
620742;1397325676;Duffer1;my nick's from .. i want to say shannara series of fantasy books, one of the characters was called an old duffer
620743;1397325677;benkay;you can ask for ratings?
620744;1397326008;dexX7;well ;;gettrust is like asking for ratings?
620745;1397326041;benkay;;;gettrust dexX7
620746;1397326041;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user dexX7: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=dexX7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dexX7 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 20:01:25 2013
620747;1397326114;benkay;bounce is being unclear as to whether asking to be rated or asking gribble for the ratings of people.
620748;1397326217;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 576 @ 0.08299776 = 47.8067 BTC [-]
620749;1397326645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1110 @ 0.00096663 = 1.073 BTC [-]
620750;1397327270;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo https://gist.github.com/leffuy/750a4291264fa2de03a5 as per http://trilema.com/2013/blogging-is-a-muscle-and-other-observations/
620751;1397327270;gribble;The operation succeeded.
620752;1397327316;thestringpuller;benkay: seems robwhiz22 provided plenty of lulz no?
620753;1397327325;bounce;asking b-otc.com for the list of someone's {received,sent} ratings. has a parameter that lets you only show negative ratings or all ratings, but not just the positive ratings
620754;1397327427;benkay;bounce some api?
620755;1397327441;benkay;i just sort by rating when i'm curious
620756;1397327506;fluffypony;scrape the html?
620757;1397327535;bounce;actually using the json version of same, yes. and yes, it's fairly trivial to do the filtering. just noticed that it does give you ways to filter, only the available criteria are exactly not what I need
620758;1397327546;benkay;just give me all the data yo
620759;1397327551;benkay;i'll filter it how i want it kthxbai
620760;1397327561;benkay;thestringpuller: much lulz
620761;1397327620;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05049999 = 0.101 BTC [+] {2} 
620762;1397327875;bounce;;;gettrust assbot magicaltux
620763;1397327875;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
620764;1397327902;bounce;one positive, so he'd still get to !up himself.
620765;1397327918;fluffypony;lol
620766;1397328021;kakobrekla;;;rate lampelina 3 she will not run with the money
620767;1397328022;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user lampelina has been recorded.
620768;1397328034;benkay;;;gettrust lampeline
620769;1397328035;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user lampeline: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=lampeline | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lampeline | Rated since: never
620770;1397328036;benkay;;;gettrust lampelina
620771;1397328037;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask lampelina!~lampi@unaffiliated/lampelina. Trust relationship from user benkay to user lampelina: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=lampelina | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lampelina | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 14:40:11 2014
620772;1397328076;benkay;;;rate lampelina 1 has not yet run with the money
620773;1397328077;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user lampelina has been recorded.
620774;1397328114;benkay;with gpg toolchain req'd for voice, wot should spread nicely.
620775;1397328229;benkay;;;gettrust magicaltux
620776;1397328229;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
620777;1397328237;benkay;;;getrating magicaltux
620778;1397328237;gribble;Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
620779;1397328245;benkay;;;gettrust magicaltux
620780;1397328246;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
620781;1397328268;benkay;bounce gotta have positive ratings to self-up
620782;1397328283;benkay;kakobrekla: confirm ^^ plz?
620783;1397328342;kakobrekla;m?
620784;1397328355;kakobrekla;lvl 1 or lvl 2 to assbot must be > 0
620785;1397328385;kakobrekla;either one >0 will do
620786;1397328498;benkay;magicaltux cannot in that case self-voice. lvl 1 = 0, lvl 2 = -2.
620787;1397328514;bounce;your powers of deduction elude you
620788;1397328529;benkay;it is early
620789;1397328532;benkay;what ams rong?
620790;1397328546;benkay;;;gettrust assbot magicaltux
620791;1397328546;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
620792;1397328557;bounce;now bring up that graph
620793;1397328582;benkay;so?
620794;1397328587;benkay;he's a -6 at level2.
620795;1397328595;bounce;yeah. but only the positives count.
620796;1397328606;benkay;what?
620797;1397328629;benkay;i'm pretty sure that's what kakobrekla means when he says > 0
620798;1397328667;kakobrekla;Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6
620799;1397328675;bounce;in that case I need to re-do the calculation in the script. oh well.
620800;1397328681;kakobrekla;-6 should be > 0 or 0 should be > 0
620801;1397328688;kakobrekla;i dunno how to make it more clear
620802;1397328750;bounce;dunno where the misunderstanding crept in earlier then. let's fix it.
620803;1397328758;benkay;haha
620804;1397328776;benkay;"programming is the art of telling people what you want the computer to do."
620805;1397328800;kakobrekla;hm
620806;1397328806;kakobrekla;i think im done with the new code more or less
620807;1397328832;kakobrekla;gonna switch in a minute, and lets see if it explodes
620808;1397328848;bounce;people waffle a lot. curiously, khersonus came up with a mostly identical list, making the same error
620809;1397329477;kakobrekla;it should not give you the right to !down until you re-!up
620810;1397329483;kakobrekla;or something.
620811;1397329505;bounce;how so?
620812;1397329525;fluffypony;bed time, cheers
620813;1397329541;kakobrekla;just the way it works bounce , its a one time thing
620814;1397329604;kakobrekla;also i could down you until you do so
620815;1397329613;kakobrekla;i think.
620816;1397329923;punkman;;;view 20308
620817;1397329925;gribble;#20308 Sat Apr 12 15:09:56 2014 punkman SELL 1.0 code @ 0.1 btc (Will code (py,php,js,css,other) for BTC.)
620818;1397329934;bounce;hypothetically speaking, if assbot rates b with -1, do any ratings of b to c count positively for c?
620819;1397329957;bounce;as in, how you implemented it.
620820;1397330042;kakobrekla;that is really depends on wot implementation which i didnt do
620821;1397330063;kakobrekla;but i think the answer is no?
620822;1397330068;kakobrekla;perhaps find an example
620823;1397330077;kakobrekla;;;gettrust kakobrekla magicaltux
620824;1397330077;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
620825;1397330103;kakobrekla;;;rated magicaltux
620826;1397330103;gribble;You have not yet rated user magicaltux
620827;1397330105;bounce;assbot does a ;;gettrust to gribble, or what does it do?
620828;1397330108;kakobrekla;yes
620829;1397330136;kakobrekla;;;gettrust assbot kakobrekla
620830;1397330137;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla. Trust relationship from user assbot to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 7 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011
620831;1397330150;kakobrekla;liek dat
620832;1397330375;thestringpuller;;;ident
620833;1397330375;gribble;Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
620834;1397330724;bounce;then I get 429 names. time for a new list.
620835;1397331616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0659994 = 0.264 BTC [+]
620836;1397331921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05049999 = 0.2525 BTC [+]
620837;1397331922;bounce;http://pastebin.ca/2695190 now for figuring out what to put in the "via" list again
620838;1397331959;kakobrekla;130 ppl
620839;1397331962;kakobrekla;how much was it before?
620840;1397332005;bounce;I count 429, and it was, er, 437 before
620841;1397332043;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05049999 = 0.2525 BTC [+]
620842;1397332092;bounce;magicaltux, fbastage, gigavpx, gmaxwell, komododragon, lucidlepidoptera, mtgox, ne0futur, and topace went out, bitdragon and lampelina got added (due to getting +1 later)
620843;1397332104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05049999 = 0.2525 BTC [+]
620844;1397332125;bounce;s/vpx/vps/
620845;1397332179;joecool;??
620846;1397332348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27433 @ 0.00096416 = 26.4498 BTC [-]
620847;1397332722;kakobrekla;there ya go benkay , you made the front of bitcoin-assets.com
620848;1397332743;benkay;*fist pumps*
620849;1397332755;benkay;micro utility delivered
620850;1397332761;kakobrekla;:)
620851;1397333096;kakobrekla;ha, was about to edit the wiki and i see pankkake beat me to it. gj!
620852;1397333123;pankkake;about wot?
620853;1397333127;kakobrekla;mhm :)
620854;1397334153;mircea_popescu;fluffypony the btctalk wot is broken discussion was carried when thermos first made it. the conclusion pretty much went like "well it's not really all that broken, in that you can remove him from your trust line. a default population is useful cause derps otherwise wouldn';t even understand wtf it is"
620855;1397334300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22011 @ 0.00096249 = 21.1854 BTC [-] {2} 
620856;1397334607;mircea_popescu;<bounce> one positive, so he'd still get to !up himself. << i don't think so. the total is negative.
620857;1397334629;mircea_popescu;;;rate lampelina 1 Kako vouches for her up to over 9000 bitcoinz provided it's to buy shoes and things.
620858;1397334631;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user lampelina has been recorded.
620859;1397334825;mircea_popescu;!up keonne
620860;1397334825;assbot;Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu.
620861;1397334830;mircea_popescu;eh wtf
620862;1397334844;mircea_popescu;I R TAKE THIS AS A PERSONAL INSURT
620863;1397334852;benkay;personal insert
620864;1397334863;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla didja break it meanwhile ?
620865;1397334869;benkay;!up keonne
620866;1397334869;assbot;Insufficient rights, benkay.
620867;1397334882;benkay;!down keonne
620868;1397334882;assbot;Insufficient rights, benkay.
620869;1397334887;benkay;!up benkay
620870;1397334887;assbot;Insufficient rights, benkay.
620871;1397334900;benkay;well this is not quite asspected.
620872;1397334909;mircea_popescu;amazing asspic
620873;1397334909;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
620874;1397334929;mircea_popescu;for the unrefined palates :
620875;1397334931;mircea_popescu;;;google aspic
620876;1397334932;gribble;Aspic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspic>; The Icky Era of Aspic » Sociological Images - The Society Pages: <http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/02/15/the-icky-era-of-aspic/>; Aspic - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aspic>
620877;1397335006;nubbins`;wow
620878;1397335022;benkay;not to be confused with asdic
620879;1397335030;jurov;kako revoked wrryone
620880;1397335034;jurov;*erryone
620881;1397335071;benkay;;;google asdic
620882;1397335071;gribble;ASDIC / Sonar - Technical pages - Fighting the U-boats - uboat.net: <http://uboat.net/allies/technical/asdic.htm>; Sonar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonar>; Asdic - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/asdic>
620883;1397335164;mircea_popescu;khersonus to scoop is journo lingo, it denotes the act of someone beating you to the punch. dun how illiterate louts speak, like in "I dun name dis hill D’Andre Mountain!"
620884;1397335248;mircea_popescu;!protest this inequity
620885;1397335636;kakobrekla;yes mircea_popescu i fixed it
620886;1397335645;mircea_popescu;!up keonne
620887;1397335645;assbot;Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu.
620888;1397335651;mircea_popescu;lies
620889;1397335653;mircea_popescu;and slander.
620890;1397335684;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2014#620809
620891;1397335687;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
620892;1397335735;khersonus;mircea_popescu: I know, I just found it amusing that you phrased it like that (I'd expect it more from a US southerner)
620893;1397335751;mircea_popescu;o wait cause he was voiced already ?
620894;1397335755;mircea_popescu;mno
620895;1397335764;mircea_popescu;khersonus :p
620896;1397335780;khersonus;btw, do you use a wordpress plugin for footnotes or something you wrote?
620897;1397335797;kakobrekla;just !up yourself on pm and all will be ok
620898;1397335802;kakobrekla;its a one time thing
620899;1397335819;kakobrekla;then up and down should werk
620900;1397335833;kakobrekla;so far noone has done that cept me
620901;1397335853;mircea_popescu;khersonus it's a plugin. wp-footnotes
620902;1397335867;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/pluginuri-wordpress-utile/ << there's the list of all the plugins i use, linked
620903;1397335868;ozbot;Pluginuri wordpress utile pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
620904;1397335869;kakobrekla;btw mircea_popescu your shoes comment made lampelina pissy.
620905;1397335874;mircea_popescu;imo vely useful.
620906;1397335883;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla aww why!
620907;1397335888;khersonus;mircea_popescu: I saw that, but it hadn't been updated for quite some time, but if it works for you it'll work for me
620908;1397335906;kakobrekla;"if he would mention pursues i would slap him when i see him."
620909;1397335907;mircea_popescu;!up keonne
620910;1397335907;assbot;Voicing keonne for 30 minutes.
620911;1397335910;mircea_popescu;a cool
620912;1397335912;lampelina;khersonus, you don't need a plugin http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/creating-footnotes-in-wordpress/
620913;1397335926;mircea_popescu;lampelina whai so violent
620914;1397335939;lampelina;might work for you too mircea_popescu :)
620915;1397335941;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla now i know why i wear a beard.
620916;1397335948;kakobrekla;lel
620917;1397335954;khersonus;lampelina: yeah, but that requires more work... I saw that page too though
620918;1397335955;lampelina;I'm not violent, just trying to help
620919;1397335958;mircea_popescu;lol
620920;1397335984;asciilifeform;;;ident
620921;1397335984;lampelina;more plugins, slower WP
620922;1397335985;gribble;Nick 'asciilifeform', with hostmask 'asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-246-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net', is identified as user 'asciilifeform', with GPG key id B98228A001ABFFC7, key fingerprint 17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7, and bitcoin address None
620923;1397336010;khersonus;lampelina: (help appreciated :) )
620924;1397336043;asciilifeform;;;rate kakobrekla 3 maker of high-quality spammicide.
620925;1397336045;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
620926;1397336101;kakobrekla;thank you, the reward should really go to all spammiciders
620927;1397336333;mircea_popescu;http://www.mimiboutique.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/cheylas_studded_bag_papaya1-720x720.jpg
620928;1397336372;kakobrekla;is the nekkid chick behind the bag?
620929;1397336395;mircea_popescu;that's a carryall
620930;1397336444;bounce;re list of !up-able nicks, turns out we both got the math wrong. hence new and slightly shorter list and a little more work adding the numbers.
620931;1397336618;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 319 @ 0.00068999 = 0.2201 BTC [+]
620932;1397336642;mircea_popescu;bounce graphs. it's like... the one thing you'll for sure get someone with.
620933;1397336679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 314 @ 0.00068999 = 0.2167 BTC [+]
620934;1397336699;mircea_popescu;.bait with purses pls
620935;1397336700;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcfedyMlLh1rhboewo1_500.gif
620936;1397336719;mircea_popescu;i r disappoint ozbot
620937;1397336801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1095 @ 0.00069255 = 0.7583 BTC [+] {3} 
620938;1397336835;bounce;no gd here. where did I have gd again?
620939;1397336923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 485 @ 0.00069999 = 0.3395 BTC [+] {3} 
620940;1397336970;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/42d9287b1d61c7cd9017c4b8ca023631/tumblr_n0803lmgg11ssm832o1_500.jpg
620941;1397337082;nubbins`;!up robwhiz22
620942;1397337082;assbot;Insufficient rights, nubbins`.
620943;1397337087;nubbins`;smd
620944;1397337122;kakobrekla;nubbins` up yourself first
620945;1397337128;kakobrekla;on pvt
620946;1397337139;nubbins`;i did hours ago!
620947;1397337156;nubbins`;!up robwhiz22
620948;1397337156;assbot;Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
620949;1397337158;kakobrekla;its a one time thing since i change the sys
620950;1397337162;nubbins`;aha.
620951;1397337166;nubbins`;realized as soon as i said
620952;1397337167;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 332 @ 0.00073499 = 0.244 BTC [+]
620953;1397337228;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00073499 = 0.147 BTC [+]
620954;1397337239;joecool;nubbins`: what mobile provider you using in nfld atm?
620955;1397337253;nubbins`;robwhiz22: serendipitously, trilema just published an article that touches on the topics we discussed earlier regarding why i won't rate you
620956;1397337255;nubbins`;http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
620957;1397337255;ozbot;What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
620958;1397337257;nubbins`;joecool: telus
620959;1397337278;asciilifeform;now he wants a wot rating? the balls!
620960;1397337289;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000735 = 0.147 BTC [+]
620961;1397337314;joecool;nubbins`: ah ok, trying to see who has it pretty well covered out there, my carrier (wind) is regional, i usually used rogers prepaid for traveling to montreal and middle of nowhere places
620962;1397337330;nubbins`;rogers has terrible coverage here
620963;1397337341;nubbins`;bell and telus share an LTE network, island-wide coverage
620964;1397337356;nubbins`;rogers works in the cities and along the TCH, and pretty much nowhere else
620965;1397337391;joecool;the plans just suck for any of the big 3 :(
620966;1397337412;nubbins`;i renegotiated the last time my contract was up, my plan isn't terrible
620967;1397337422;nubbins`;public offerings are weak tho
620968;1397337435;joecool;i use ~30gb/mo in the US on t-mo and at&t, and close to 10gb on wind up here
620969;1397337443;nubbins`;wow
620970;1397337454;nubbins`;i might get close to 1gb a few months a year
620971;1397337469;nubbins`;asciilifeform: just so he can up himself tho, natch ;)
620972;1397337797;joecool;nubbins`: tbh i'm fine with HSPA coverage so long as i can actually use it, 1gb is pretty easy to go through in a day (well a couple hours)
620973;1397337809;mircea_popescu;jesus god limited data for your cell ?!
620974;1397337811;joecool;my at&t plan is ~$35/mo per line for unlimited hspa
620975;1397337811;mircea_popescu;why even have one ?!
620976;1397337852;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik, no u.s. carrier will sell unlimited (or even 'unlimited') wireless data for any price a human might pay
620977;1397337862;joecool;asciilifeform: you are wrong
620978;1397337862;mircea_popescu;the inanity.
620979;1397337876;asciilifeform;i certainly hope to be proven wrong
620980;1397337888;joecool;i have unlimited on at&t and t-mobile, though my at&t plan might be slightly dishonest by some measure
620981;1397337898;asciilifeform;unlimited or 'unlimited' ?
620982;1397337904;Anduck;hahaha
620983;1397337904;joecool;namely i buy a phone sold outside the US market and provision it as a featurephone
620984;1397337907;jurov;lol what do you do with the phone? i rarely overstep 500M soft monthly limit
620985;1397337916;Anduck;in finland almost all 3g/4g are unlimited
620986;1397337920;joecool;asciilifeform: i have used as much as 60gb in a month on at&t without coming subject to a throttle
620987;1397337951;joecool;jurov: tethering and music streaming (mostly the latter)
620988;1397337997;joecool;t-mobile offers unlimited for $70 (might be $80 now) plus a bunch of other perks (unlimited text and 2G roaming international is nice)
620989;1397338003;joecool;but the coverage sucks compared to at&t
620990;1397338038;joecool;in canada i have a regional carrier called wind for $30/mo they have fake unlimited that throttles after 10gb
620991;1397338056;joecool;all of the above have no contracts
620992;1397338071;joecool;well, no term i should say
620993;1397338107;asciilifeform;where i live, sprint co. used to sell 'unlimited' modems, but go and try to actually use. speeds analogous to traditional landline modems, in practice.
620994;1397338140;joecool;asciilifeform: with at&t i get ~6mbit/s majority of the time, drops into the 1-2mbit/s range if signal is crappy or its around rush hour
620995;1397338168;joecool;t-mobile is a wide range of speeds going up into the 30mbit/s or so range when i hit LTE
620996;1397338186;joecool;i haven't gotten into any zones that are using 15mhz or 20mhz LTE yet, just 10mhz
620997;1397338222;joecool;wind is a hspa+ network i see ~10mbit/s in practice
620998;1397338815;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.00587132 = 1.1273 BTC [+] {5} 
620999;1397338875;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 122 @ 0.60069569 = 73.2849 BTC [-] {6} 
621000;1397338910;robwhiz22;Hi, this channel flashed.  I think it's ridiculous to voice me only if I am spoken to.
621001;1397338933;kakobrekla;nubbins` suggested a solution to this.
621002;1397339241;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
621003;1397339691;benkay;huehuehue
621004;1397340583;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03499999 = 0.175 BTC [-]
621005;1397340584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05018656 = 0.2509 BTC [-]
621006;1397340618;cgcardona_;sweet. i can speak.
621007;1397340652;kakobrekla;its like health. you take it for granted until you lose it.
621008;1397340656;benkay;http://www.nilsschneider.net/2013/01/28/recovering-bitcoin-private-keys.html
621009;1397340657;ozbot;Recovering Bitcoin private keys using weak signatures from the blockchain / Nils Schneider
621010;1397340666;cgcardona_;totally
621011;1397340752;kakobrekla;http://xkcd.com/221/
621012;1397340753;ozbot;xkcd: Random Number
621013;1397340764;kakobrekla;gotta save resources on mobile devices.
621014;1397340789;benkay;it was picked randomly!
621015;1397340799;nubbins`;kakobrekla i suggested a solution to something?!
621016;1397340802;nubbins`;what sorcery is this
621017;1397340834;jurov;fluffypony yea thermos gave most of the stash away: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/looking-for-people-to-store-some-of-the-forums-money.82849/page-10#post-1549423
621018;1397340862;nubbins`;jurov lel +!
621019;1397340865;nubbins`;+1 even!
621020;1397340902;jurov;http://bitbet.us/bet/314/bitcointalk-org-treasurer-to-be-scammer-tagged/ i made the bet then
621021;1397340903;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcointalk.org treasurer to be scammer tagged
621022;1397340912;jurov;and then they discontinued scammer tags
621023;1397340917;benkay;ouch.
621024;1397340927;jurov;interesting coincidence :)
621025;1397340949;nubbins`;;D
621026;1397341001;kakobrekla;is there any word any of these people still have ze money
621027;1397341060;nubbins`;john k disappeared a few times
621028;1397341064;nubbins`;haven't really kept up on it
621029;1397341088;kakobrekla;but he is not on the list
621030;1397341113;nubbins`;"john"
621031;1397341116;jurov;that's another john?
621032;1397341120;nubbins`;can't be
621033;1397341132;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 68 @ 0.58053655 = 39.4765 BTC [-] {10} 
621034;1397341139;jurov;i guess john as john, all are the saem :DDD
621035;1397341141;nubbins`;well, i mean, it can be. but john k had 1k btc of the forum's money
621036;1397341163;jurov;;;ud john
621037;1397341163;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=John | "i am soooo confused about what to do about John..he is great..but confusingggg. he constantly makes me sad, angryy, or depressed. its upsetting. is it worth it?
621038;1397341164;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: John
621039;1397341198;jurov;lmao
621040;1397341236;nubbins`;confusinggggggg!
621041;1397341241;nubbins`;angryyyyy!
621042;1397341728;asciilifeform;!up robwhiz22
621043;1397341728;assbot;Insufficient rights, asciilifeform.
621044;1397341737;asciilifeform;!up asciilifeform
621045;1397341737;assbot;Insufficient rights, asciilifeform.
621046;1397341746;asciilifeform;bah
621047;1397341757;asciilifeform;!up robwhiz22
621048;1397341757;assbot;Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
621049;1397341783;asciilifeform;Let there be spam.
621050;1397341804;nubbins`;cheap sneakers rolex oakley nike rayban vacations pm me for details
621051;1397341819;asciilifeform;Spam Like a Pro In 21 Days! (tm)
621052;1397341821;nubbins`;0.99btc/min standard long distance rates apply
621053;1397341844;robwhiz22;thanks, asciilifeform
621054;1397341853;jurov;Amazing! V I A G R A as Low as BTC 0.033 .
621055;1397341862;nubbins`;turn your peanut into a banana!
621056;1397341870;robwhiz22;Let there be no spam.
621057;1397341876;nubbins`;;/
621058;1397341878;benkay;turn your spam into sirloin!
621059;1397341914;nubbins`;fun fact, spam is a healthy mixture of ham and pork shoulder
621060;1397341923;nubbins`;just with salt instead of health
621061;1397341954;robwhiz22;spam is a "healthy" mixture of "ham" and "pork"..."shoulder"
621062;1397341962;artifexd;asciilifeform: Sprint still sells unlimited (not "unlimited") data and their network continues to get better. It might be worthwhile to recheck Sprint's coverage of your area.
621063;1397341964;nubbins`;there y'go
621064;1397341984;nubbins`;i've got about 20 pounds of pork shoulder in my freezer. perfect fat/muscle ratio for making sausages.
621065;1397341994;nubbins`;terrible for roasts
621066;1397341998;asciilifeform;artifexd: thanks - i might, if i ever need a field modem again
621067;1397342003;robwhiz22;!down nubbins`
621068;1397342003;assbot;Insufficient rights, robwhiz22.
621069;1397342025;nubbins`;you can't !down the aristocracy!
621070;1397342035;benkay;down with the aristocracy!
621071;1397342036;asciilifeform;they're great for work sites with fascist admins
621072;1397342069;nubbins`;oh fuck
621073;1397342071;nubbins`;i just remembered
621074;1397342078;robwhiz22;back later
621075;1397342081;nubbins`;i ordered a new sausage stuffing horn and it arrived yesterday
621076;1397342092;nubbins`;thirty fuckin dollars for 20 cents of plastic
621077;1397342092;artifexd;I use them for my day to day cell phone. Some people have issues. They have been good to me in my area.  Of course, so has Comcast.
621078;1397342108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06521005 = 0.6521 BTC [-] {2} 
621079;1397342121;nubbins`;$24 alone was "express" shipping, only option available
621080;1397342124;nubbins`;anyway
621081;1397342126;nubbins`;rum, music
621082;1397342127;nubbins`;peace
621083;1397342184;bounce;3d printers with food-grade plastics available?
621084;1397342194;[\];ooh
621085;1397342197;[\];I still have +v
621086;1397342199;[\];magic
621087;1397342583;asciilifeform;!up TestingUnoDosTre
621088;1397342583;assbot;Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
621089;1397342606;TestingUnoDosTre;that urban dictionary of John was ridiculous
621090;1397343462;robwhiz22;I'm back
621091;1397343486;[\];oh good
621092;1397343488;[\];we were worried
621093;1397343491;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, I asked you - Have you also seen my emails to Polimedia?
621094;1397343494;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, http://pastebin.com/PmB4GvAd and http://pastebin.com/gJXyvXgd were my two emails
621095;1397343528;asciilifeform;nubbins (?) posted these earlier.
621096;1397343547;benkay;yeah good work mr back tick
621097;1397343677;asciilifeform;!up robwhiz22
621098;1397343677;assbot;Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
621099;1397343684;robwhiz22;thanks
621100;1397343707;robwhiz22;Yes, I would have expected you to see them when I came in here to follow up (as that was the only reply I received from Mr. Popescu).
621101;1397343753;robwhiz22;But at any rate if this is the forum where any serious business negotiation goes on, so be it.
621102;1397343814;jurov;robwhiz22: you failed to mention MITM via evil brain implants or such interference
621103;1397343830;jurov;it also makes cardano unusable
621104;1397343889;jurov;oh and what about telekinesis?
621105;1397343940;robwhiz22;Well, to be fair, I didn't expect it to be posted publicly so I did not clean it up for public disclosure.  Since then I've also had to explain the mitigation on point 2.
621106;1397343956;TestingUnoDosTre;Has anyone here even been notified of a suspicious attempt to login to a google account?
621107;1397343957;robwhiz22;It was supposed to just be a summaary so, you know, I'm not just claiming to have something.
621108;1397343964;robwhiz22;TestingUnoDosTre, yes, definitely.
621109;1397343998;TestingUnoDosTre;I just received my first one, and I had no two-factor login. Very worried that my data was compromised
621110;1397344040;benkay;any data you have on google anything was compromised long ago, TestingUnoDosTre
621111;1397344043;robwhiz22;Why don't you check which IP's have accessed it?  Google tracks and shows you.
621112;1397344066;TestingUnoDosTre;their list is extremely short - where is an extensive one?
621113;1397344073;robwhiz22;https://support.google.com/mail/answer/45938?hl=en
621114;1397344073;ozbot;Last account activity - Gmail Help
621115;1397344189;TestingUnoDosTre;so I went here , https://security.google.com/settings/security/activity and there's only like 10 entries. all but one are from today
621116;1397344218;joecool;!up assbot
621117;1397344218;assbot;I don't do bots, joecool.
621118;1397344241;TestingUnoDosTre;"Sign-in events unavailable prior to this date. Other activity below."
621119;1397344252;asciilifeform;TestingUnoDosTre: have you sinned, used TOR? that'll set it off.
621120;1397344282;TestingUnoDosTre;unfortunately I haven't lost my Torginity
621121;1397344305;joecool;hm apparently i have a login from germany on one of my google accts
621122;1397344307;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, why is tor sinning?
621123;1397344307;joecool;interesting
621124;1397344341;TestingUnoDosTre;joecool, can you give me the link?
621125;1397344369;joecool;TestingUnoDosTre: to the ip it was signed in from?
621126;1397344374;[\];anyone not using 2factor when available is stupid.
621127;1397344376;[\];#justsayin
621128;1397344383;TestingUnoDosTre;I know, retardville over here
621129;1397344389;joecool;yeah i have 2fa on it
621130;1397344401;asciilifeform;;;google tor heartbleed
621131;1397344402;gribble;NSA knew about Heartbleed for two years - Bloomberg — RT USA: <http://rt.com/usa/nsa-knew-heartbleed-hacking-years-004/>; DO NOT USE TOR RIGHT NOW. HEARTBLEED IS AFFECTING ALL ...: <http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/22k76z/do_not_use_tor_right_now_heartbleed_is_affecting/>; If You Want Privacy or Anonymity or Security, Stay Off the Internet ...: (1 more message)
621132;1397344408;joecool;i wonder if it's just picking up a t-mobile ip as germany
621133;1397344413;[\];TestingUnoDosTre, even if you don't use the app and just get the text message
621134;1397344420;[\];joecool, its possible
621135;1397344424;joecool;nope, it's choopa, that's my VPN
621136;1397344427;[\];probably one of their asshole proxies
621137;1397344429;[\];oh
621138;1397344458;kakobrekla;damn
621139;1397344464;[\];water
621140;1397344467;[\];bridge
621141;1397344472;[\];electricity
621142;1397344475;kakobrekla;30 mins goes by much faster than i thought originally.
621143;1397344480;[\];lol
621144;1397344488;[\];30 minutes goes by in about 30 minutes
621145;1397344490;asciilifeform;!up TestingUnoDosTre
621146;1397344490;assbot;Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
621147;1397344494;bounce;o_O? this is IRC, man.
621148;1397344504;[\];kakobrekla, what if it was an idle timeout?
621149;1397344518;mike_c;kakobrekla: i am +1 for extending that time, because they can always be downed if necessary.
621150;1397344530;[\];mike_c: why you gotta be a downer?
621151;1397344544;mike_c;born that way i suppose
621152;1397344585;benkay;!up robwhiz22
621153;1397344585;assbot;Insufficient rights, benkay.
621154;1397344592;[\];!up robwhiz22
621155;1397344592;assbot;Insufficient rights, [\\\].
621156;1397344600;asciilifeform;gotta up yourself first, i think
621157;1397344601;*;bounce points out that encourages yapping more than SingTFU and chipping in only when something to say
621158;1397344605;benkay;i am the fuck upped.
621159;1397344608;kakobrekla;yea, what ascii sez
621160;1397344609;[\];asciilifeform: I am upped
621161;1397344609;[\];lol
621162;1397344612;kakobrekla;nah
621163;1397344614;kakobrekla;on pvt
621164;1397344624;benkay;i did.
621165;1397344625;kakobrekla;its a new code
621166;1397344628;[\];ah, ok
621167;1397344629;kakobrekla;just do it
621168;1397344630;joecool;!up [\\\]
621169;1397344630;assbot;Voicing [\\\] for 30 minutes.
621170;1397344637;joecool;lawl
621171;1397344638;kakobrekla;lel.
621172;1397344645;benkay;!up robwhiz22
621173;1397344645;assbot;Voice for robwhiz22 extended to 30 minutes.
621174;1397344648;[\];uping me in channel has always worked
621175;1397344650;[\];in pm it fails
621176;1397344656;kakobrekla;still ?
621177;1397344660;[\];just tried
621178;1397344668;[\];I say !up
621179;1397344670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.0009601 = 7.3928 BTC [-]
621180;1397344670;[\];no response
621181;1397344672;robwhiz22;I have voice now
621182;1397344680;[\];!down [\\\]
621183;1397344686;robwhiz22;FWIW
621184;1397344688;joecool;works
621185;1397344710;benkay;wow
621186;1397344718;robwhiz22;It's probably because \ is an escape in whatever scripting language this bot is hacked together in :) :)
621187;1397344719;benkay;assbot kicks on downs now?
621188;1397344724;bounce;;;echo !down gribble
621189;1397344724;gribble;!down gribble
621190;1397344730;benkay;HAW
621191;1397344734;kakobrekla;if you down yourself benkay  :)
621192;1397344753;kakobrekla;wait whut
621193;1397344762;asciilifeform;since my original paste on how robwhiz22 tried to persuade me to include heartbleed in cardano has been censored (!), here's a new one, of same: http://pastebin.com/yvhVVs7C
621194;1397344786;kakobrekla;oh yeah i see what u did there. fuck you and your bots.
621195;1397344802;[\];nanotube, disable gribble echo in here please
621196;1397344815;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, I have not given you any recommendations that are low-level enough to match that description.
621197;1397344819;kakobrekla;ill fix it on my end i guess
621198;1397344824;joecool;wat you can down other people?
621199;1397344826;asciilifeform;wifi
621200;1397344827;kakobrekla;also add optional argument for time in minutes
621201;1397344833;asciilifeform;we're not idiots.
621202;1397344836;joecool;!down benkay
621203;1397344836;assbot;Insufficient rights, joecool.
621204;1397344842;[\];!down urmom
621205;1397344842;benkay;outta my face.
621206;1397344843;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, moreover I always state my reasoning and am not associated with a group - the NSA M.O. is to just silently give directions on what to do.
621207;1397344853;[\];!down assbot
621208;1397344853;assbot;I don't do bots, [\\\].
621209;1397344855;mike_c;<+kakobrekla> also add optional argument for time in minutes << perfect.
621210;1397344860;[\];!up gribble
621211;1397344860;assbot;I don't do bots, [\\\].
621212;1397344865;[\];yes you do you liar
621213;1397344877;kakobrekla;take it on pm you two
621214;1397344902;[\];lol
621215;1397344903;asciilifeform;whether our helpful friend tried to persuade me out of the goodness of his heart, or on orders from fuhrer, is immaterial.
621216;1397344911;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, nobody cares about your pastebin
621217;1397344913;asciilifeform;the act might be more convincing without the begging bit
621218;1397344926;asciilifeform;somebody cared enough to zap it.
621219;1397344943;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, your pastebin was removed?
621220;1397344949;asciilifeform;aye.
621221;1397344971;benkay;au contraire, robwhiz22. that pastebin's damning.
621222;1397344984;pankkake;http://money.cnn.com/2014/04/11/technology/amazon-pay-to-quit/index.html
621223;1397344984;ozbot;Amazon offers employees $5,000 to quit - Apr. 11, 2014
621224;1397344985;robwhiz22;You never change "Paste expiration" from the default, Never?
621225;1397344996;robwhiz22;(I often change it to a day or an hour or whatever)
621226;1397344999;kakobrekla;which pastebin was removed?
621227;1397345000;robwhiz22;Couldn't it have just expired?
621228;1397345027;benkay;this is a distraction from the damning pastebin itself.
621229;1397345033;asciilifeform;no expire, afaik.
621230;1397345048;benkay;irrelevant.
621231;1397345074;bounce;!up moiety
621232;1397345074;assbot;Voicing moiety for 30 minutes.
621233;1397345077;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, link me in the bitcoin-assets log (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/) where you included a pastebin that was zapped.
621234;1397345085;moiety;ty
621235;1397345086;robwhiz22;This is interesting.
621236;1397345092;asciilifeform;search the logs
621237;1397345097;asciilifeform;this is tiring.
621238;1397345098;benkay;a wild moiety!
621239;1397345113;benkay;;;gettrust moiety
621240;1397345113;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety. Trust relationship from user benkay to user moiety: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=moiety | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moiety | Rated since: Tue Feb 25 20:04:56 2014
621241;1397345115;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, fine.  But I think if you're saying a link was zapped it would make sense to mention it.
621242;1397345127;moiety;;; rate assbot 1 rawr
621243;1397345128;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user assbot has been recorded.
621244;1397345147;bounce;now for the !up self tekneeq
621245;1397345152;benkay;moiety if you're idented, you can /query assbot and !up in there
621246;1397345163;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, for what it's worth I am not associated with any agency - my analysis, and follow-on proposal, is my own.  Moreover some parts are high-level and you will have to repeat some of the work you've done if you so choose.
621247;1397345170;moiety;i'm just catching up, all working fine?
621248;1397345175;TestingUnoDosTre;if you were a really good amazon employee, wouldn't you just quit for like 2 weeks and then come back?
621249;1397345180;benkay;no asciilifeform insists on !upping ninjashogun
621250;1397345187;kakobrekla;lel
621251;1397345189;mircea_popescu;o look its a moiety
621252;1397345193;robwhiz22;asciilifeform, I can tell you that for others who have purchased services like this from me they have been extremely pleased with the results.  But I can't do weeks of work on spec.  (without payment.)
621253;1397345203;benkay;!down robwhiz22
621254;1397345204;asciilifeform;afaik any one of you here can re-gag him if he continues to abuse hospitality
621255;1397345205;benkay;enough of this.
621256;1397345205;moiety;thanks for assbotting me kakobrekla :P
621257;1397345208;asciilifeform;there we go
621258;1397345211;mircea_popescu;<cgcardona_> sweet. i can speak. << wd.
621259;1397345215;moiety;hi mircea_popescu :) how are you?
621260;1397345263;moiety;thanks benkay, i has me pm to assbot oot already XD
621261;1397345274;mircea_popescu;pretty great.
621262;1397345315;mircea_popescu;<benkay> down with the aristocracy! << don't haet, emulaet
621263;1397345331;mike_c;downed before he got to explain his "HCI interaction paradigm".  that sounded very meta to me.  interacting with human-computer interaction.
621264;1397345342;benkay;what am i doing if not emulating, eh?
621265;1397345351;benkay;mike_c: i swear to god
621266;1397345354;moiety;procrastinating?
621267;1397345366;kakobrekla;sure thing moiety , you deserve it.
621268;1397345383;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i swear to god if you up that nimrod one more time ima shoot him on general principle
621269;1397345395;moiety;glad to hear it mircea_popescu i've been away a wee bit
621270;1397345403;mike_c;hah. one of the best lines in the movie.
621271;1397345407;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was hoping he'd go into 'tilt' and cough up the truth.
621272;1397345422;benkay;i hold there's no truth to be had, asciilifeform.
621273;1397345456;mircea_popescu;<[\\\]> kakobrekla, what if it was an idle timeout? << bad fuckin idea srsly. let people get in the wot
621274;1397345458;mike_c;occum says he is just your run of the mill beggar.
621275;1397345458;moiety;cheers kakobrekla :D ... gribble has kittenlasers, can assbot have manul lasers someday?
621276;1397345459;asciilifeform;i tend to give folks the benefit of the doubt, and imagine that they are clever (if devious) than merely stupid
621277;1397345471;asciilifeform;(too much obvious stupid in the world as it is)
621278;1397345473;mircea_popescu;and mike_c : downin' ain't the same thing as just ignoring it.
621279;1397345495;asciilifeform;<robwhiz22> I see that Mircau is getting defensive - as well he should as he is hocking snake oil at the moment.
621280;1397345496;mircea_popescu;also. occam!
621281;1397345500;benkay;mircea_popescu: commons trasher.
621282;1397345510;benkay;hawking, robwhiz22
621283;1397345511;mircea_popescu;i hope you won't be spelling my name as mirceau once i'm dead or some shit.
621284;1397345518;asciilifeform;gotta figure out the filter on me irc widget.
621285;1397345520;benkay;meer-cow
621286;1397345524;mircea_popescu;worst thing in the fucking world, derps make you a statue, misspell your name on it
621287;1397345526;mike_c;occum is occam's little known cousin.
621288;1397345529;benkay;/ignore, asciilifeform
621289;1397345530;moiety;"You, are the dude in the chair; I am, merely here"
621290;1397345553;mircea_popescu;moiety come again ?
621291;1397345560;moiety;sry random film quote
621292;1397345565;asciilifeform;'robwhiz22 added to ignore list.'
621293;1397345566;asciilifeform;neato
621294;1397345567;asciilifeform;thx
621295;1397345584;mircea_popescu;<kakobrekla> also add optional argument for time in minutes << no, srsly. bad idea.
621296;1397345604;mike_c;why? with a reasonable cap?
621297;1397345615;benkay;yw
621298;1397345653;bounce;which film?
621299;1397345655;mircea_popescu;mike_c because the requisite for working power is limited power.
621300;1397345685;benkay;it's limited by others in the channel.
621301;1397345703;mircea_popescu;that's a different story. derps thought the us can work like that, too.
621302;1397345708;mircea_popescu;turns out... it doesn't.
621303;1397345783;mircea_popescu;mike_c is he a younger cousin that's known or just a cousin that's not so well known ?
621304;1397345820;mike_c;sorry, to be clear, occum is occam's famous midget cousin.
621305;1397345847;*;mircea_popescu feels niggum could end up mixed in there
621306;1397345849;moiety;http://youtu.be/_O6bWb7oEuE?t=45s sorry took me a while to find it
621307;1397345850;ozbot;Spudgun job interview - YouTube
621308;1397345878;moiety;http://youtu.be/_O6bWb7oEuE?t=40s this bit even
621309;1397345878;ozbot;Spudgun job interview - YouTube
621310;1397346038;bounce;thanks. probably still should sit down and see that thing
621311;1397346110;mircea_popescu;check it out, dick had it :
621312;1397346112;mircea_popescu;"Very difficult. That's very difficult, do you understand? It's difficult because you're selling to a particular group. Fat cats. Big shots. Guys who can afford $200k. And guys who can use a whole fucking suitcase full of cocaine. Basically, Clarence, guys I don't know. And guys you don't know. And more importantly, they don't know you."
621313;1397346150;mircea_popescu;true romance (tarantino cut) goes on teh videography of -assets
621314;1397346317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.0009632 = 21.2867 BTC [+] {3} 
621315;1397346318;moiety;bounce: it's a Danny Boyle film written by Irvine Welsh  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117951/ hope you don't need subtitles XD
621316;1397346395;kakobrekla;mp sez no so complaint goes to his pm. ty.
621317;1397346427;moiety;true romance is one of my favourite films. everyone in it is immense
621318;1397346456;bounce;I know about trainspotting. just haven't actually seen all of it.
621319;1397346529;moiety;trainspotting is not a favourite of mine, ican't deny its done well though. I much prefer Shallow Grave
621320;1397346577;kakobrekla;my fav is prolly still dead man.
621321;1397346622;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5779999 BTC [-]
621322;1397346828;asciilifeform;http://youtu.be/DxfMbi0aCvM
621323;1397346866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00095339 = 4.2426 BTC [-] {2} 
621324;1397346927;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+]
621325;1397346988;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+]
621326;1397347129;moiety;oh btw coachella is being streamed live over 3 chennels, mashable has the schedule and links if anyone wants it
621327;1397347324;moiety;kakobrekla: i've not seen dead man, i'm going to get it ty
621328;1397347392;kakobrekla;if you find the start of the movie grim, try to hold on, it will get better.
621329;1397347444;asciilifeform;in other news, sergey nepobedimy ('invincible', his real name,) creator of 'igla' and 'strela' rockets, has died.
621330;1397347450;moiety;kk, not like me to not see a film through tbf
621331;1397347531;moiety;92 y/o... i hope it was peaceful
621332;1397347651;artifexd;So... gmaxwell is harassing the conformal guys about how they developed btcd.  It comes across as so... I don't know... petty.
621333;1397347713;artifexd;mircea_popescu: I'm starting to understand why you like these guys. Here's a quote that I find particularly compelling:
621334;1397347715;artifexd;@jy-p> it's a nice little bullshit trick that is used by people who don't get their work done
621335;1397347766;artifexd;For context: http://pastebin.com/AxKLEZf3
621336;1397347842;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4633 @ 0.00013717 = 0.6355 BTC [-] {15} 
621337;1397348102;mike_c;cloudy conference.
621338;1397348104;mike_c;http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=timisoara
621339;1397348105;ozbot;Timisoara, Romania Weather Forecast from Weather Underground
621340;1397348173;kakobrekla;oh yeah, the scientology meeting.
621341;1397348200;moiety;with everything going on in the ukraine, why are they protesting potholes?! http://20minutegarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Tulips-in-Potholes.jpeg
621342;1397348444;kakobrekla;flower bomb shrapnel?
621343;1397348682;moiety;lol i just feel there are other things they could be turning attention to
621344;1397348818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8807 @ 0.00096456 = 8.4949 BTC [+]
621345;1397348818;Duffer1;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2grKk4Fv0k
621346;1397348819;ozbot;Civilization: Beyond Earth (Announcement) - YouTube
621347;1397349734;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla what you like so much bout dead man btw ?
621348;1397349747;mircea_popescu;not sayin' it's bad or anything, that shit's trippy, but i think i'm missing most of it.
621349;1397349794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24829 @ 0.00095198 = 23.6367 BTC [-] {3} 
621350;1397349924;kakobrekla;i dunno, it has a lot of qualities i like. its indeed trippy and and well its fuckin hilarious, after about 30min in or so
621351;1397349936;mircea_popescu;artifexd myeah.
621352;1397349970;kakobrekla;full of absurdities and such.
621353;1397349990;mircea_popescu;artifexd course, you could say that to him rather than to me. he doesn't know it, i do.
621354;1397350023;mircea_popescu;fuckwit is actually to this day going around all convinced he's anything but slime somebody scraped off his work boot and failed to properly dispose of.
621355;1397350031;moiety;I've just started Dead Man
621356;1397350043;kakobrekla;well, good luck moiety .
621357;1397350082;moiety;depps lesser known films turn out to be his best
621358;1397350142;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, you're not the only one plagued. conformal guys got their own robwizz turns out.
621359;1397350151;mircea_popescu;ima gotta have to stop mentioning people or something.
621360;1397350160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2463 @ 0.00095065 = 2.3415 BTC [-]
621361;1397350177;mircea_popescu;!up Azelphur
621362;1397350177;assbot;Voicing Azelphur for 30 minutes.
621363;1397350181;Azelphur;thankies :)
621364;1397350183;mircea_popescu;you're on the list yo, why not just up yourself
621365;1397350194;Azelphur;oh, I wasn't aware of the new channel settings
621366;1397350207;mircea_popescu;id with gribs then pm assbot !up
621367;1397350221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05018656 = 0.1004 BTC [-]
621368;1397350242;Azelphur;simple enough :)
621369;1397350249;mircea_popescu;tell your friends.
621370;1397350253;Azelphur;anyway, another fun question for you, do you believe the "mtgox got hacked" crap? :P
621371;1397350263;moiety;i like the new system, have to say
621372;1397350263;mircea_popescu;no.
621373;1397350268;mircea_popescu;moiety how come ?
621374;1397350269;Azelphur;me neither
621375;1397350285;Azelphur;back when I was designing your exchange I actually had a conversation with tux about security
621376;1397350293;Azelphur;so I could learn what mtgox did wrong, what they do now, that sort of thing
621377;1397350296;Azelphur;and they seemed fairly decent
621378;1397350297;mircea_popescu;wait you were wut ?
621379;1397350309;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: sorry, designing the frontend for*
621380;1397350311;moiety;just personal taste after the other day mircea_popescu
621381;1397350314;Azelphur;derp >.<
621382;1397350319;mircea_popescu;o you mean pympex ?
621383;1397350337;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: nah, remember you wanted me to open a brokerage, and I did a lot of code, but didn't release it because of the whole going to jail thing.
621384;1397350346;mircea_popescu;you went to jail ?!
621385;1397350357;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: I would have if I started running a brokerage being in England ;)
621386;1397350358;mircea_popescu;dude what the fuck, i just had a coupla shots of brandy
621387;1397350363;mircea_popescu;oh
621388;1397350364;Azelphur;hahaha
621389;1397350375;mircea_popescu;no but i mean i sit down and nothing makes sense anymore
621390;1397350393;Azelphur;admittedly I coulda explained that better ;)
621391;1397350422;mircea_popescu;dun take this the wrong way, but i dun recall that episode. so you were going to do something like coinbr ?
621392;1397350424;Azelphur;but yea, was just curious, it's such a weird situation, and this getting hacked thing makes no sense
621393;1397350437;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: yea, I'm pretty sure I showed you the prototypes at some point
621394;1397350448;mircea_popescu;well possible, if it was in like 2012
621395;1397350449;Azelphur;and I had it interfacing with GLBSE and MPEX back in the day
621396;1397350454;Azelphur;yea, it was a long time ago
621397;1397350461;mircea_popescu;anyway
621398;1397350476;Azelphur;would have done it if I didn't like my freedom so much :p
621399;1397350494;mircea_popescu;make sure you close your eve account while at it.
621400;1397350502;mircea_popescu;i hear them brits are not kidding.
621401;1397350505;Azelphur;haha
621402;1397350845;[\];people still ues eve?
621403;1397350848;[\];use*
621404;1397351319;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00570001 = 0.3477 BTC [-] {2} 
621405;1397351391;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: conformal co. - the reimplement bitcoind folks?
621406;1397351481;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in golang
621407;1397351502;mircea_popescu;[\\\] apparently. they were doing some shit about "come have your name on a plaque on this statue we're building"
621408;1397351511;asciilifeform;i still can't figure out why google had to reimplement 'D'
621409;1397351535;[\];yeah, I follow bradfitz
621410;1397351540;[\];he's a golang dude
621411;1397351556;[\];"why use someone else's work when we can make our own?"
621412;1397351588;mircea_popescu;fun fact : d had some romanian work on it originally
621413;1397351599;[\];no wonder they dumped it
621414;1397351601;[\];<.<
621415;1397351604;[\];>.>
621416;1397351616;[\];.bait
621417;1397351617;ozbot;http://37.media.tumblr.com/c156e823fbca3bb9580538c1deab8d7c/tumblr_mfp7stokJe1racc9so1_1280.jpg
621418;1397351634;asciilifeform;'A "new" language that differs from the rest of the crop by one or a couple features is proof positive that both what it came from and what it has become are mutations about to die.  There are tens if not hundreds of thousands of such "languages" that people have invented over the yeare, for all sorts of weird purposes where they just could not use whatever language they were already using, could not extend it
621419;1397351634;asciilifeform;, and could not fathom how to modify its tools without making a whole new language.  They never stopped to think about how horribly wasteful this is, they just went on to create yet another language called Dodo, the Titanic, Edsel, Kyoto-agreement..."'
621420;1397351648;asciilifeform;(naggum on language proliferation - http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3206985430398054@naggum.net.html)
621421;1397351686;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i imagine the way a large talent stable works is invariant. gotta let people do the stupid shit they wanna do to some degree
621422;1397351701;asciilifeform;i don't begrudge these people their weirdlangs
621423;1397351701;mircea_popescu;google's not about to hire chicks with whips for the devteam. cheaper to reimplement d.
621424;1397351713;asciilifeform;but the waste.
621425;1397351726;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as people are involved, there's no such thing as waste.
621426;1397351730;mircea_popescu;everything's eaten by something.
621427;1397351772;mircea_popescu;only machines can waste.
621428;1397351773;asciilifeform;the blind 'neophilia' of programmers is their undoing.
621429;1397351808;thestringpuller;;;ident
621430;1397351808;gribble;Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.
621431;1397351810;asciilifeform;me, i'm still waiting for the 'let's crib features' folks to crib common lisp's intelligent error handling.
621432;1397351834;thestringpuller;;;ticker
621433;1397351835;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 424.19, Best ask: 425.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.80000, Last trade: 425.99, 24 hour volume: 9044.12721809, 24 hour low: 413.72, 24 hour high: 439.5, 24 hour vwap: 427.58778978
621434;1397351839;asciilifeform;(the only programming language i personally know, or so much as heard of, where the machine can recover intelligently from any error condition short of smoking)
621435;1397351999;mircea_popescu;http://www.businessinsider.com/now-its-personal-sf-protesters-targeting-tech-execs-by-name-2014-4?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Falleyinsider%2Fsilicon_alley_insider+%28Silicon+Alley+Insider%29
621436;1397351999;ozbot;NOW IT'S PERSONAL: SF Protesters Targeting Tech Execs By Name - Business Insider
621437;1397352003;mircea_popescu;check out these fuckwits.
621438;1397352028;mircea_popescu;and none of the named is going around calling the employers of these fuckwits with the simple message of "fire everyone or go out of business".
621439;1397352034;mircea_popescu;what sort of upside down shithole is that!
621440;1397352041;asciilifeform;'stop jack from evicting teachers' << evicting engineers, or accountants, is presumably ok
621441;1397352086;mircea_popescu;no but it's like... yo shithead. you make enough to buy me a tie a year and are here protesting ? you're fucked, better hope you enjoy living in a sewer.
621442;1397352099;asciilifeform;this might call for some background story for the non-u.s. folks. here, 'teacher' is an iconic 'noble' profession, in the eyes of the liberasts
621443;1397352106;mircea_popescu;what happened to "we don't negotiate to terrorists" ?
621444;1397352109;asciilifeform;because they are typically paid by the (usually broke) state gov.
621445;1397352179;asciilifeform;'gentrification' is a liberast technical term for the process discussed here a while ago, where slightly better paid wage slaves concentrate in an area and bid up the cost of housing.
621446;1397352230;asciilifeform;the 'starving artists', who often congregate in slums and enjoy the low cost, take to marching with protest signs.
621447;1397352252;mike_c;BI is (as usual) blowing shit out of proportion for headlines.  6 people were pissed they got evicted and made a sign.  who cares.
621448;1397352255;mircea_popescu;i guess it's better for the environment than the usual crap they do (and call "art")
621449;1397352288;moiety;"...standing outside their house accusing them (falsely) of advocating sexual assault,..." wtf?!
621450;1397352290;mircea_popescu;mike_c ok mr cool head, go ahead, piss on my parade.
621451;1397352320;asciilifeform;another interesting detail - in many u.s. states, it takes ages to actually evict someone.
621452;1397352322;mike_c;I just hate BI.  such trash.  can't decide if they're worse than gawker, but it's a close race to the bottom of the toilet bowl.
621453;1397352356;asciilifeform;google has its own bus!?
621454;1397352361;mike_c;many of them.
621455;1397352375;moiety;not all have windows now
621456;1397352376;asciilifeform;i suppose the stories are true; next - their own morgue, cemetery...
621457;1397352379;mircea_popescu;mike_c no argument there.
621458;1397352395;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's called company town.
621459;1397352406;asciilifeform;i associate buses sans windows with... something else. not sure i'd care to ride in one, given a choice.
621460;1397352407;mircea_popescu;like lowell used to be. very instructive place, that.
621461;1397352430;mircea_popescu;go around through the dormitoirs where poor irish girls were required to sleep, compare to the contemporary black slaves' situation,
621462;1397352444;mircea_popescu;be very amused that anyone seriously thinks anyone'd believe they fought a war over that difference.
621463;1397352447;mircea_popescu;what fucking difference!
621464;1397352451;asciilifeform;afaik 'factory town' is the historic, international norm
621465;1397352484;mircea_popescu;notrly. it's more of a product of the empty spaces of the colonies, and the peculiar cvasi-catholic sects they followed.
621466;1397352504;asciilifeform;soviets did 'factory town' routinely.
621467;1397352519;mircea_popescu;ya but you know, historic'd mean "industrial age".
621468;1397352520;asciilifeform;some still function
621469;1397352525;asciilifeform;naturally
621470;1397352538;mircea_popescu;well, they didn't exist in brabant as such, nor in northern italy, nor in england
621471;1397352549;mircea_popescu;they did to some degree exist in scotland, which WAS a colony of england
621472;1397352554;asciilifeform;point.
621473;1397352557;mircea_popescu;they similarily did exist in the empty east
621474;1397352569;asciilifeform;round up the locals, herd into factory.
621475;1397352575;mircea_popescu;say nagasaki
621476;1397352584;mircea_popescu;founded by the portuguese as EXACTLY a corp town
621477;1397352613;asciilifeform;more from same loltron:
621478;1397352615;asciilifeform;http://www.businessinsider.com/silicon-valley-arrogance-bubble-2013-12
621479;1397352615;ozbot;Silicon Valley Arrogance Bubble - Business Insider
621480;1397352708;mike_c;if i had one bullet, and I was in a room with gawker, BI, and bitcointalk..
621481;1397352732;asciilifeform;clinton puts on parachute and jumps first.
621482;1397352735;asciilifeform;or perhaps, wrong joke.
621483;1397352740;mike_c;hehe
621484;1397352804;moiety;i would have to go with btctalk mike_c
621485;1397352820;mircea_popescu;mike_c let's take the violence out of it. if you had one cock...
621486;1397352831;mike_c;harder to turn that upon myself.
621487;1397352842;mircea_popescu;apparently it's done
621488;1397352853;moiety;just remove a rib
621489;1397352855;asciilifeform;marvels of gymnastics.
621490;1397352868;mircea_popescu;moiety no, that's for making a woman. different sport.
621491;1397352882;moiety;lol ^
621492;1397352890;moiety;i thought thats what Prince did
621493;1397352898;moiety;re ribs not making women
621494;1397352921;[\];Manson did
621495;1397352934;mircea_popescu;wasn't manson going around kissing people's feet ?
621496;1397352945;asciilifeform;anyone remember the toy where a set of small pins is mounted in a frame - press in hand, and an impression of hand protrudes from the other side of the box ?
621497;1397352956;asciilifeform;eventually, someone will make a long and flexible version of this toy
621498;1397352961;asciilifeform;for auto-fellatio, etc.
621499;1397352962;mircea_popescu;hellraiser ?
621500;1397352983;asciilifeform;nah, a little gizmo that used to be sold at 'science souvenir' shops in the u.s.
621501;1397353014;asciilifeform;http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61HnFypZdfL._SX300_.jpg
621502;1397353052;asciilifeform;http://www.bnpeters.com/digitally-reconfigurable-mold.html
621503;1397353052;ozbot;Digitally Reconfigurable Mold - bengineering
621504;1397353076;asciilifeform;afaik 'braille terminal' works similarly.
621505;1397353191;asciilifeform;in unrelated news,
621506;1397353192;asciilifeform;http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2014/04/11/heartbleed-certificate-revocation-tsunami-yet-to-arrive.html
621507;1397353193;ozbot;Heartbleed certificate revocation tsunami yet to arrive | Netcraft
621508;1397353238;asciilifeform;(tldr - the pwned didn't give a damn yesterday, and they still don't today)
621509;1397353264;moiety;apprently " there is no evidence of a successful rib-removal surgery in all of the Western world. "
621510;1397353354;moiety;!up Mats_cd03
621511;1397353354;assbot;Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
621512;1397353366;Mats_cd03;sankq
621513;1397353393;moiety;np, if you id with gribble you can up yourself in pm with assbot
621514;1397353460;Mats_cd03;mp: funny enough, ill be living in lowell in a few months with a friend
621515;1397353484;ThickAsThieves;cop beatboxing with rappers at OneSpark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkrvCHRVbh8
621516;1397353487;asciilifeform;gets a little more interesting:
621517;1397353488;asciilifeform;http://www.antievictionmappingproject.net/ellis.html
621518;1397353488;ozbot;Ellis Act Evictions - Anti-Eviction Mapping Project
621519;1397353489;Mats_cd03;i hear cambodian gangs roam the streets - ive never interacted with asian gangsters so this will be fun
621520;1397353501;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and likely will never arrive.
621521;1397353520;mircea_popescu;the incentive to do it is actually negative. if you run a site as a us business, and they can directly steal your data this way, they will.
621522;1397353527;mircea_popescu;if they can't, they'll just supoena you.
621523;1397353536;mircea_popescu;it's more expensive, so you actually don't want to run a clean system.
621524;1397353553;mircea_popescu;which is why nobody outside the us wants to use any us company fopr any purpose
621525;1397353558;mircea_popescu;and those inside the us, even less.
621526;1397353605;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 just a buncha derpy kids. at least a decade ago
621527;1397353608;asciilifeform;next comes the 'network disk', where the buggers don't need to settle for small change (ssl diddling, etc.)
621528;1397353612;mircea_popescu;make pretty good bread tho
621529;1397353672;asciilifeform;http://static.businessinsider.com/image/534895afeab8ea924687205d-1200/the-protesters-main-concern-was-the-eviction-of-some-of-the-citys-public-school-teachers.jpg
621530;1397353673;asciilifeform;lol
621531;1397353690;asciilifeform;http://static.businessinsider.com/image/534895af6bb3f7f34ffb5390-1200/there-was-also-a-strong-anti-tech-sentiment-throughout-the-protest.jpg
621532;1397353759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00096282 = 22.0486 BTC [+]
621533;1397353902;asciilifeform;http://www.businessinsider.com/protest-flyer-at-kevin-roses-house-2014-4
621534;1397353903;ozbot;Protest Flyer At Kevin Rose's House - Business Insider
621535;1397353928;asciilifeform;'we are the ones who serve them coffee, deliver them food, suck their cocks...'
621536;1397353937;mircea_popescu;bird shat on kevin spacey's car.
621537;1397354035;Mats_cd03;mircea_popescu: word is, theyre participating in the distribution of heroin. not kids anymore
621538;1397354119;mircea_popescu;things never stay put, do they.
621539;1397354201;mircea_popescu;.d
621540;1397354201;ozbot;6.120 billion | Next Diff in 837 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.1330% in 5d 9h 26m 5s
621541;1397354262;Mats_cd03;a storm is coming...
621542;1397354414;moiety;kakobrekla: have you seen Seraphim Falls? I think you might like it
621543;1397354430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00095824 = 16.865 BTC [-]
621544;1397354440;kakobrekla;doesnt ring a bell
621545;1397354496;moiety;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0479537/ it's a wee bit like Dead Man
621546;1397354497;ozbot;Seraphim Falls (2006) - IMDb
621547;1397354521;kakobrekla;ill take a look but its got color.
621548;1397354560;kakobrekla;vastly different!
621549;1397354572;Mats_cd03;on the subject of movies, has anyone seen sunshine?
621550;1397354602;moiety;well worth a watch, promise. i feel they are a bit similar withthe trekking and hallucinatory bits
621551;1397354620;kakobrekla;hehe okay
621552;1397355040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59799979 = 1.196 BTC [+]
621553;1397355101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59799989 BTC [+]
621554;1397355488;bitcoinpete;https://twitter.com/HistoricalPics/status/455099382694944768/photo/1
621555;1397355489;ozbot;Twitter / HistoricalPics: "Why is [country] so..." Swedish ...
621556;1397355496;bitcoinpete;why is france so gay?
621557;1397355593;kakobrekla;the poor seems to be the main concern
621558;1397355623;bitcoinpete;as if they're sucking sweden's strength
621559;1397355651;bitcoinpete;kakobrekla: also, pleasantly surprised to see myself on the aristocratic side of you/assetsvoice
621560;1397355739;kakobrekla;such is life
621561;1397355828;bitcoinpete;quite
621562;1397355867;bitcoinpete;i've definitely been cracking a few eggs around the bitcoin expo in toronto.
621563;1397355880;bitcoinpete;there's much teaching/unteaching to do here
621564;1397355942;bitcoinpete;much bowing to the foundation/ethereum/vc moolah/blahblah
621565;1397355956;kakobrekla;ah
621566;1397355970;kakobrekla;i dunno if there is success to be had there
621567;1397355982;bitcoinpete;lulz at least
621568;1397356030;bitcoinpete;and reputation to be established when all their thingies break and they remember that this was foretold
621569;1397356045;kakobrekla;!up TestingUnoDosTre
621570;1397356045;assbot;Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
621571;1397356053;bitcoinpete;also, straightening of records re: mpex
621572;1397356058;TestingUnoDosTre;muchisimas gracias
621573;1397356137;thestringpuller;;;ticker
621574;1397356138;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 424.97, Best ask: 426.87, Bid-ask spread: 1.90000, Last trade: 426.87, 24 hour volume: 8476.06864251, 24 hour low: 413.72, 24 hour high: 439.5, 24 hour vwap: 426.753943331
621575;1397356208;bitcoinpete;that bitstamp volume seems low
621576;1397356283;TestingUnoDosTre;whats new
621577;1397356286;kakobrekla;with all the account locking, i wouldnt be so surprised
621578;1397356348;mircea_popescu;khersonus wanted to do options just as the spot market is disintegrating.
621579;1397356437;TestingUnoDosTre;khersonus ?
621580;1397356538;TestingUnoDosTre;;;google khersonus
621581;1397356539;gribble;View the profile of khersonus - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=277079>; Why MP is your God. - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271711.260>; Window on America Centers in Ukraine | Embassy of the United ...: <http://ukraine.usembassy.gov/woacenters.html>
621582;1397356748;cgcardona_;This is the first time I've needed to verify my identity w/ a chatroom in that way. seems like a pretty powerful idea.
621583;1397356877;cgcardona_;so what exactly is the assbot -> gribble relationship? I auth/verify w/ gribble but the assbot is the room's bot? Any reason for having two bots for that?
621584;1397356907;*;moiety has misplaced frustration at this film
621585;1397356931;cgcardona_;gotta geotag all your frustration. That way you'll never misplace it.
621586;1397356953;moiety;lol
621587;1397356989;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ it is a very powerful idea
621588;1397357015;artifexd;assbot queries gribble for your ident status and gettrust relation to assbot.
621589;1397357052;mircea_popescu;the gribble-assbot relation is somewhat akin to the google-dns relation. one predates the other, and rather than it be reimplemented gratuitously, it's just used isntead.
621590;1397357062;cgcardona_;i see
621591;1397357101;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/the-end-of-an-era/ that dude
621592;1397357250;TestingUnoDosTre;february profit was 7968 BTC?
621593;1397360530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00095349 = 12.4907 BTC [-]
621594;1397360774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.06599982 = 2.046 BTC [+] {3} 
621595;1397361079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00095813 = 7.5692 BTC [+]
621596;1397361872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03401 = 0.1701 BTC [+]
621597;1397362116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.0009592 = 30.4546 BTC [+] {2} 
621598;1397364068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
621599;1397364190;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669 = 0.1338 BTC [+]
621600;1397365106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9027 @ 0.00096181 = 8.6823 BTC [+] {2} 
621601;1397365167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7883 @ 0.00096288 = 7.5904 BTC [+]
621602;1397367668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58805 @ 0.00096342 = 56.6539 BTC [+] {3} 
621603;1397367886;jurov;imsogay, morning wood, eh?
621604;1397368014;jurov;context for poor logreaders: *** [\\\\\\\\\\\\\\] is now known as [\\\]
621605;1397368248;moiety;something up with nickserv atm?
621606;1397368272;jurov;no just imsaguy swelling and shrinking
621607;1397368282;cgcardona_;yea nickserv's laggin for me too
621608;1397368300;cgcardona_;nickswerve
621609;1397368314;jurov;there are helluva splits... i was here alone for half hour
621610;1397368317;[\];jurov, it is saturday night after all  ;)
621611;1397368325;[\];jurov, we lost some hubs.
621612;1397368345;jurov;lucky you
621613;1397368358;jurov;i have sunday morning
621614;1397368369;jurov;and not slept at all
621615;1397368373;jurov;:(
621616;1397368522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00096415 = 20.0543 BTC [+]
621617;1397369071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00096254 = 5.1015 BTC [-]
621618;1397369330;cgcardona_;yea that split was brutal.
621619;1397369348;cgcardona_;I just shut down my client for the whole time cause I was all alone
621620;1397369352;cgcardona_;foreveralone.jpg
621621;1397369386;moiety;jurov: what time is it with you? ive not slept wither, 7:09 here
621622;1397369397;moiety;either*
621623;1397369399;jurov;8:09
621624;1397369420;moiety;dont wantto miss something at 7:35 // ahh kk why didn't you sleep?
621625;1397369446;cgcardona_;;;gettrust assbot
621626;1397369446;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
621627;1397369458;jurov;i was nervous and could not calm down
621628;1397369480;jurov;most likely explanation is that i'm in love and wanted to be with him yest
621629;1397369496;jurov;but he had no time for completely stupid reasons
621630;1397369519;jurov;*nervous -> upset
621631;1397369570;cgcardona_;how do I get on assbot"s wot?
621632;1397369590;cgcardona_;wow that sentence reads strangely
621633;1397369599;jurov;bribe someone that's in assbot's trust list?
621634;1397369602;cgcardona_;ah I see
621635;1397369605;cgcardona_;got it
621636;1397369634;cgcardona_;I'm still trying to fully understand the wot
621637;1397369642;cgcardona_;wotupwidit
621638;1397369712;jurov;:)
621639;1397369718;jurov;it's really not so hard, just become slave to a piece of shitty code that has something to do with mpex
621640;1397369734;jurov;and then you can enjoy the privileges
621641;1397369776;jurov;wow i'm still really in bad mood.. better go retry sleep now
621642;1397369863;cgcardona_;heh
621643;1397370450;moiety;hope you feel better after a sleep jurov
621644;1397370647;cgcardona_;;;gettrust mgk
621645;1397370648;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user mgk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=mgk | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mgk | Rated since: never
621646;1397371145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00096254 = 9.2404 BTC [-]
621647;1397371228;fluffypony;;;ident
621648;1397371229;gribble;Nick 'fluffypony', with hostmask 'fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be', is not identified.
621649;1397371255;fluffypony;netsplits.
621650;1397371430;moiety;nickserv is having a stroke today
621651;1397373463;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00570001 = 0.114 BTC [+]
621652;1397373527;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
621653;1397373528;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096401 / 0.00097614 (483530 shares, 466.13 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00097926 / 0.00101 (3222682 shares, 3,155.86 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00091781 / 0.00101 (23383307 shares, 21,461.45 BTC)
621654;1397373543;thestringpuller;!last m s.mpoe
621655;1397373543;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096254 BTC [-]
621656;1397374439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.00095984 = 30.4749 BTC [-] {2} 
621657;1397376086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.0009559 = 5.4008 BTC [-]
621658;1397376940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0347946 = 0.1044 BTC [+] {3} 
621659;1397378038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29597 @ 0.00096304 = 28.5031 BTC [+] {5} 
621660;1397378831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00096415 = 15.9085 BTC [+]
621661;1397380280;bounce;``[Erik Naggum] disliked C++, though not as much as he hated Perl, but he generally thought that C++ was too difficult to understand to such a degree that only about 5 people on the planet truly understood it and hence was of little value for humanity.'' (wikipedia) -- how's that for an elitist language, eh. jealous much? *gdr*
621662;1397380356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00096456 = 16.5422 BTC [+]
621663;1397381273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00096123 = 11.6789 BTC [-]
621664;1397382186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00095332 = 7.4836 BTC [-] {2} 
621665;1397383589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23203 @ 0.00095249 = 22.1006 BTC [-]
621666;1397384798;mircea_popescu;;;later tell TestingUnoDosTre yes
621667;1397384799;gribble;The operation succeeded.
621668;1397384945;mircea_popescu;jurov: but he had no time for completely stupid reasons << aww!
621669;1397385066;mircea_popescu;omfg teh butthurt!
621670;1397385504;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlEMp2UCMAAQnc7.png << check out kansas.
621671;1397385747;mircea_popescu;also, fresh from the pointless factoids department: every day this week days is gonna be the same backwards. 4/12/14 through 4/19/14.
621672;1397385907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00095492 = 16.7111 BTC [+]
621673;1397386071;bounce;what silly backward country are you in, anyway?
621674;1397386130;mircea_popescu;romania. what gave it away ?
621675;1397386163;bounce;the nuxi problems
621676;1397386194;mircea_popescu;;;google "nuxi problem"
621677;1397386194;gribble;NUXI problem - Catb.org: <http://catb.org/jargon/html/N/NUXI-problem.html>; Endianness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness>; The nuxi problem: <http://www.nuxi.it/nuxijargon.php>
621678;1397386210;mircea_popescu;da fuck ?!
621679;1397386220;mircea_popescu;oh oh bwahaha
621680;1397386275;mircea_popescu;i'll have you known that the biggest endian fail is MIDDLE ENDIAN
621681;1397386281;mircea_popescu;like you know, teh us does it.
621682;1397386343;bounce;hence ISO8601. and yet...
621683;1397386350;mircea_popescu;myeah.
621684;1397387310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.06568952 = 2.4305 BTC [-] {5} 
621685;1397387576;bounce;just read through defusedxml's list of things that can go wrong with xml. just have to wonder how those financial types using FIX handle this, if at all.
621686;1397387676;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.0055853 = 0.3519 BTC [-] {8} 
621687;1397387677;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57600103 BTC [-]
621688;1397388862;jurov;hm, seems like mircea_popescu recently got a propensity to solutions that break under bad external circumstances
621689;1397388873;jurov;it took assbot 5 minutes to give me voice
621690;1397388883;jurov;because gribble is slow
621691;1397388946;jurov;anyway, i just read ethereum "yellow paper" http://gavwood.com/Paper.pdf
621692;1397388957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.0009602 = 18.4358 BTC [+] {2} 
621693;1397388982;jurov;it has a feel of rogirous math publication, yet it's brimming with unsolved problems
621694;1397388996;jurov;*rigorous
621695;1397389043;jurov;such as, turing-complete computations are bounded and paid for by "gas" allocated
621696;1397389044;bounce;but! aristocracy! can't make things too easy, don't you know.
621697;1397389082;jurov;yet i don't see a good nethod to verify gas expended without redoing whoiole computation
621698;1397389338;mircea_popescu;jurov you shouldn't have voice anyway because not enough sleep!
621699;1397389339;jurov;yea, and it strives to avoid evil ASICs but as presumably they can't think of one, it will start with a placeholder one
621700;1397389386;mircea_popescu;bounce http://trilema.com/2014/china-is-the-place-to-be/
621701;1397389386;mircea_popescu;i suggest you learn from one man's discipline!
621702;1397389386;jurov;i did sleep some, it helped :)
621703;1397389387;jurov;*one = proof of work function
621704;1397389433;mircea_popescu;now that's a fucking accomplishment, excess flood while muted. guy prolly went all spaz
621705;1397389479;mircea_popescu;!up MCM-Mike
621706;1397389479;assbot;Voicing MCM-Mike for 30 minutes.
621707;1397389501;mircea_popescu;nanotube dja need some help hosting gribble ?
621708;1397389629;*;jurov reads
621709;1397389644;jurov;mircea u got cockblocked too or what?
621710;1397389706;mircea_popescu;what's that ?
621711;1397389747;jurov;;;ud cockblocked
621712;1397389748;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cockblocked | Cockblocked. when you are going to hookup with some chick and then someone (her friend, cousin, whatever) comes in and sees to it that it doesnt happen.
621713;1397389748;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: Cockblocked
621714;1397389773;jurov;or what inspired you for that blog
621715;1397389833;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha this is a thing ?
621716;1397389867;mircea_popescu;i wish to see it sometime. but anyway, no, just the notion of attaching penalty to speech makes me want to attach speech to the entire matter.
621717;1397389869;mircea_popescu;and also, goats.
621718;1397389878;fluffypony;yeah it's happened to me before
621719;1397389890;fluffypony;normally when her friend/sister knows you and your reputation
621720;1397389893;fluffypony;and wants to "save" her from you
621721;1397389914;fluffypony;so she hangs around whining about how much the place sucks and she wants to go home
621722;1397389925;fluffypony;and every joke you make she keeps a deadpan face and says "that isn't funny"
621723;1397389951;mircea_popescu;fluffypony this always happens. girl decides to fly over to be my slave, family hosts an intervention, we laugh at it afterwards.
621724;1397389973;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: hah, interventions are for quitters
621725;1397389986;mircea_popescu;same principle.
621726;1397390002;mircea_popescu;"do what a buncha dorks getting in your face tell you to"
621727;1397390012;mircea_popescu;sorta like marketeer's wet dream.
621728;1397390018;fluffypony;lol
621729;1397390035;moiety;dafuq is going in that picture?
621730;1397390046;moiety;actually i dont want to know
621731;1397390052;mircea_popescu;moiety https://sg.news.yahoo.com/china-blogger-offers-remorse-rumour-spreading-court-162207880.html
621732;1397390183;moiety;- 'Discipline has been good for me' -
621733;1397390217;fluffypony;yeah
621734;1397390222;fluffypony;I'd like to thank my detention center
621735;1397390246;mircea_popescu;i guess this increments my forum extraditions by one.
621736;1397390296;moiety;jail?
621737;1397390312;moiety;i think they should host btctalk over in china for a bit
621738;1397390800;fluffypony;!market
621739;1397390806;fluffypony;wrong channel
621740;1397390909;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0075 = 0.135 BTC [+]
621741;1397390970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06456009 = 1.1621 BTC [-] {3} 
621742;1397391127;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/22wi4p/hey_shibes_i_rarely_have_complaints_about_this/
621743;1397391140;mircea_popescu;!up cedivad
621744;1397391140;assbot;Voicing cedivad for 30 minutes.
621745;1397391142;fluffypony;"Why this matters. Bitcoin is powerful. Bitcoin is wealthy. We do not need to make these people our enemies."
621746;1397391174;mircea_popescu;fluffypony a little late for that.
621747;1397391227;mircea_popescu;;;later tell cedivad to be voiced in #bitcoin-assets, first you id with gribble, then you pm assbot !up
621748;1397391227;gribble;The operation succeeded.
621749;1397391468;mircea_popescu;;;rate cedivad 1 bitcointa.lk
621750;1397391468;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
621751;1397391478;mircea_popescu;meh.
621752;1397391624;mircea_popescu;!up CheckDavid
621753;1397391624;assbot;Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
621754;1397392189;mircea_popescu;!up cedivad
621755;1397392189;assbot;Voice for cedivad extended to 30 minutes.
621756;1397392428;cedivad;my lazy client is simply reconnecting automatically every time that i power it on/off... Not sure of why i should be "voiced"?
621757;1397392440;mircea_popescu;just making sure you know how if you want to.
621758;1397392495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2488 @ 0.00095429 = 2.3743 BTC [-]
621759;1397392500;cedivad;well, i've nothing smart to say, i'm sorry. I've just finished to write a complaint i will send to the public inquiry unit of california, nothing interesting (hashfast sucks)
621760;1397392534;cedivad;btw i fixed the stupid bug that made bitcointa.lk lose posts every night starting from 3am
621761;1397392551;mircea_popescu;lol well you never know, maybe something smart strikes :D
621762;1397392567;mircea_popescu;did your hashfast chips blow out ?
621763;1397392630;cedivad;nah, i simply never received them, you know, arbitration against them, they will probably take everything they can out of the company and declare bankrupcty
621764;1397392663;mircea_popescu;o wow srsly ? i thought they were actually delivering.
621765;1397392690;cedivad;they haven't delivered shit during the last month or two; they are mining themselves probably
621766;1397392701;cedivad;and ship it as a MPP in a few months
621767;1397392729;mircea_popescu;ah so they shipped some units earlier in the year to lure more orders then just stopped basically ?!
621768;1397392749;cedivad;basically, yes
621769;1397392766;cedivad;they are using third parties to claim to be bankrupted (using it as an excuse for the delay in shipping)
621770;1397392774;mircea_popescu;pretty fucking scandalous.
621771;1397392781;cedivad;and in the meanwhile they are selling their chips to third parties (like vmc)
621772;1397392814;mircea_popescu;basically the list of mining companies that don't also turn scams is vanishingly slow.
621773;1397392821;cedivad;nothing is scandalous anymore in the mining industry... what i would love is to see them stopped and in jail
621774;1397392822;mircea_popescu;at most they run for a year or two
621775;1397392841;mircea_popescu;s/slow/short
621776;1397392859;mircea_popescu;http://hashfast.org/List_of_Lies << there's a wiki lol
621777;1397392860;ozbot;List of Lies - HashFast Wiki
621778;1397392869;cedivad;yeah, i wrote that
621779;1397392886;cedivad;the home page is more of a good read http://hashfast.org/Main_Page
621780;1397392926;mircea_popescu;you gotta start a blog sometime.
621781;1397392948;cedivad;and what should i talk about? hashfast? :D
621782;1397392956;mircea_popescu;inconfutable isn't english. irrefutable or incontrovertible.
621783;1397392971;mircea_popescu;cedivad the reason i say blog is because you seem to have a lot to talk about. bitcointalk, hashfast, etc.
621784;1397392999;cedivad;basically by forcing them to disclose the delivery dates in the contract with TSMC you could have a smoking gun to use against them in a fraud proceeding
621785;1397393048;mircea_popescu;seems bitcoin infrastructure needs an overhaul.
621786;1397393079;cedivad;* irrefutable fixed
621787;1397393081;mircea_popescu;anyway, car's here, ima bbl.
621788;1397393288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
621789;1397393654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4712 @ 0.00095429 = 4.4966 BTC [-]
621790;1397395340;jurov;!up cedivad
621791;1397395340;assbot;Voicing cedivad for 30 minutes.
621792;1397395361;jurov;i don't write very often on the blog. but it's good to have.
621793;1397395638;cedivad;i actually have one, but i never really wrote about hashfast, bitcointa.lk or any other of my web-related experiences (i manage some really huge websites)...
621794;1397396573;jurov;gonna start sometime
621795;1397396614;jurov;if for nothing else, there need to be more sane voices
621796;1397397206;kakobrekla;mornin
621797;1397397239;Apocalyptic;mornin
621798;1397397253;Apocalyptic;heh blockr.io completely bugged because of btc-e down
621799;1397397261;Apocalyptic;I can't even load http://atc.blockr.io/
621800;1397397302;Apocalyptic;kakobrekla, tell your guys they can add timeouts on queries on external websites you know
621801;1397397615;kakobrekla;hm
621802;1397397617;kakobrekla;works here?
621803;1397397795;Apocalyptic;weird then
621804;1397398229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55172 @ 0.00096143 = 53.044 BTC [+] {4} 
621805;1397398321;benkay;asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: google did the same thing with python. spot/coopt an emerging thingy of whatever quality, hire its writers and most active folks, all of a sudden you have access to the best talent in newlang world. speshully the young and easily bamboozled, who get to 'work' 'closely' with the designers of their language.
621806;1397398505;thestringpuller;benkay
621807;1397398507;thestringpuller;go to bed
621808;1397398548;thestringpuller;benkay teach me lisp
621809;1397398549;BingoBoingo;;;rate HeySteve 1 Did a thing with words
621810;1397398550;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user HeySteve has been recorded.
621811;1397398569;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: did you get that thing i sent you?
621812;1397398581;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Yeah, thanks
621813;1397398624;thestringpuller;i jav
621814;1397398631;thestringpuller;i need to update it
621815;1397398674;thestringpuller;maybe you can help. eventually i was hoping to have a script that pulled an insult from the list...
621816;1397398701;BingoBoingo;Maybe. I'd need to github set up
621817;1397398777;HeySteve;(•_•)            ( •_•)>�■-■            (�■_■)
621818;1397399453;benkay;thestringpuller: got plenty of sleep, tyvm.
621819;1397399510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00096344 = 15.8004 BTC [+]
621820;1397399528;thestringpuller;;;ticker
621821;1397399530;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 413.0, Best ask: 413.71, Bid-ask spread: 0.71000, Last trade: 413.71, 24 hour volume: 5564.69687928, 24 hour low: 411.17, 24 hour high: 429.0, 24 hour vwap: 420.893588881
621822;1397399632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.594 BTC [+]
621823;1397399937;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57850062 = 1.157 BTC [-] {2} 
621824;1397400059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57600136 BTC [-]
621825;1397400120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5880001 BTC [+]
621826;1397400181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-] {2} 
621827;1397400242;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-] {2} 
621828;1397400425;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5809999 BTC [-]
621829;1397400486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5890001 BTC [+]
621830;1397400547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-] {2} 
621831;1397400608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-] {2} 
621832;1397400669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-] {2} 
621833;1397400791;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5809999 BTC [-]
621834;1397400852;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [+] {2} 
621835;1397400861;kakobrekla;http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/04/07/charge-your-phone-in-30-seconds-an-israeli-firm-says-it-can/?mg=blogs-wsj&url=http%253A%252F%252Fblogs.wsj.com%252Fdigits%252F2014%252F04%252F07%252Fcharge-your-phone-in-30-seconds-an-israeli-firm-says-it-can
621836;1397400862;ozbot;Charge Your Phone in 30 Seconds? An Israeli Firm Says It Can - Digits - WSJ
621837;1397400885;ThickAsThieves;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/13/us/politics/obama-lets-nsa-exploit-some-internet-flaws-officials-say.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=2
621838;1397400887;ozbot;Log In - The New York Times
621839;1397400913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [+] {2} 
621840;1397400969;ThickAsThieves;such fucking doublespeak
621841;1397401019;ThickAsThieves;they're all like We now have rules that gov should report discovered flaws, but yknow, we wont report shit if we like it that way
621842;1397401028;ThickAsThieves;so, no news
621843;1397401356;benkay;http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2014/04/08/andreessen-beware-non-silicon-valley-investors-bearing-high-valuations/
621844;1397401359;ozbot;Andreessen: Beware Non-Silicon Valley Investors Bearing High Valuations - Venture Capital Dispatch
621845;1397401361;benkay;wish i had problems like that
621846;1397401796;ThickAsThieves;username dignork is sending spam pm's
621847;1397401820;BingoBoingo;How spammy?
621848;1397401931;pankkake;;;ident dignork
621849;1397401931;gribble;Nick 'dignork', with hostmask 'dignork!~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork', is not identified.
621850;1397401960;fluffypony;[17:12:29] -NickServ- dignork has enabled nick protection
621851;1397401970;fluffypony;I doubt it's someone else?
621852;1397402150;pankkake;!up dignork
621853;1397402150;assbot;Insufficient rights, pankkake.
621854;1397402153;pankkake;lol
621855;1397402167;benkay;!up dignork
621856;1397402167;assbot;Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.
621857;1397402173;asciilifeform;Charge Your Phone in 30 Seconds << let's do math
621858;1397402186;benkay;whee! maf!
621859;1397402198;asciilifeform;'ipnohe' battery - 1.430 ampere-hours, 3.7v
621860;1397402209;dignork;ThickAsThieves, sorry, the message was intended to kakobrekla, about the 30 sec message
621861;1397402219;asciilifeform;;;calc 1.430 * 3.7
621862;1397402219;gribble;5.291
621863;1397402222;asciilifeform;watt-hours
621864;1397402236;asciilifeform;;;calc 5.291 * 3600
621865;1397402236;gribble;19047.6
621866;1397402238;asciilifeform;joules
621867;1397402263;dignork;asciilifeform, it's because they charge their own battery: http://phys.org/news/2014-04-storedot-second-battery.html
621868;1397402264;asciilifeform;;;calc 19047.6 / 30.0
621869;1397402265;gribble;634.92
621870;1397402274;asciilifeform;joules per second when charging in 30 sec
621871;1397402292;asciilifeform;aka watts
621872;1397402313;asciilifeform;need we say more?
621873;1397402349;benkay;gon' get hot.
621874;1397402366;kakobrekla;yea well of course you cant charge the battery so fast out of thin air
621875;1397402395;asciilifeform;lithium cells already have interesting problems when the safety fuse, for whatever reason, fails to blow
621876;1397402410;kakobrekla;anyway these battery 'revolutions' come once a week, for the past, i dunno, 10 years
621877;1397402413;asciilifeform;thus, what can charge in 30 seconds can almost certainly discharge in... 1.
621878;1397402415;asciilifeform;or 0.01
621879;1397402418;kakobrekla;we still use same shit.
621880;1397402421;asciilifeform;boom.
621881;1397402485;kakobrekla;<assbot> Insufficient rights, pankkake. < cause of the split :\
621882;1397402494;pankkake;yeah, I figured, I'm auth again
621883;1397402507;asciilifeform;anyone who knows of, say, a MOSFET rated for 600W, that fits in a phone, please wake me up
621884;1397402509;asciilifeform;i could use one.
621885;1397402621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.581 BTC [-]
621886;1397402655;asciilifeform;likewise, go and put 600W for 30 sec. through a phone-sized piece of whatever material you like, then put it in your pocket, get back to us.
621887;1397402673;dignork;asciilifeform, originally they where talking about new type of battery which can be charged fast, not too amazing since there are supercapacitor batteries already.
621888;1397402673;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
621889;1397402688;ThickAsThieves;i had a macbook pro with an ""exploding" battery once
621890;1397402690;asciilifeform;dignork: worth investigating the properties of actual, rather than mythical, supercaps
621891;1397402694;asciilifeform;you can buy them
621892;1397402700;asciilifeform;buy one, experiment
621893;1397402704;ThickAsThieves;i was so stoked cuz i bought it with money from winning a juried art show
621894;1397402709;asciilifeform;they have gigantic internal resistance
621895;1397402716;ThickAsThieves;then the next morning it was all swelling
621896;1397402856;asciilifeform;if the 'mythical holy grail battery' were ever to appear, you will know about it - not from idiot press releases and grantsmanship, but - from laser pistol fire in the streets.
621897;1397402865;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.57550072 = 2.302 BTC [-] {4} 
621898;1397402870;asciilifeform;;;lasers
621899;1397402871;gribble;┌� ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
621900;1397402888;ThickAsThieves;how to protect myself from the laser apocalypse?
621901;1397402892;ThickAsThieves;mirror shields?
621902;1397402896;ThickAsThieves;:)
621903;1397402910;kakobrekla;wear sunglasses at night
621904;1397402927;dignork;asciilifeform, sparfun toy: https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Components/TS12S-R.pdf, rated/max current 1750/4500, probably in mA
621905;1397402980;asciilifeform;dignork: right, these.
621906;1397402999;asciilifeform;dignork: notice the internal resistance given for specific currents?
621907;1397403008;dignork;asciilifeform, so the current listed is for discharge?
621908;1397403011;asciilifeform;dignork: that's because it's non-linear.
621909;1397403093;asciilifeform;http://www.tecategroup.com/ultracapacitors-supercapacitors/ultracapacitor-FAQ.php
621910;1397403111;asciilifeform;if ultracaps did not have large internal resistance, you would not ever want to be near, much less carry, a charged one
621911;1397403152;dignork;asciilifeform, this datasheet is horrible, looks like they list different devices, and for 10F device there is only one max resistance - 80 at 3A
621912;1397403178;dignork;asciilifeform, talking about sparcfun datasheet
621913;1397403180;asciilifeform;the chemistry of the ultracap gives it intrinsically high resistance
621914;1397403227;asciilifeform;which makes it a useful gadget, for powering clocks, etc. rather than what would amount to an unstable explosive.
621915;1397403338;asciilifeform;if you want a portable gizmo that can be 'charged' in seconds, without carrying a bomb, fuel cells on butane (as in cigarette lighter) are probably your ticket.
621916;1397403432;asciilifeform;you can move fuels, unlike electric charge, without gigantic thermal losses
621917;1397403508;asciilifeform;and, assuming you are storing only fuel and not oxidizer, you can safely carry it without fear of it releasing all of the energy stored therein within a second
621918;1397403564;asciilifeform;but, fossil-fueled phones aren't 'sexy', or 'green', whatever.
621919;1397403597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00096522 = 8.3492 BTC [+]
621920;1397403597;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04900001 = 0.196 BTC [-] {2} 
621921;1397403598;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.035 = 0.21 BTC [+] {3} 
621922;1397403600;kakobrekla;micro RTG? :)
621923;1397403613;fluffypony;rtg?
621924;1397403619;fluffypony;oh nm
621925;1397403621;fluffypony;thanks wikipedia
621926;1397403623;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: buy a 'traser' keychain. solar cells. you can get a few microamps.
621927;1397403656;kakobrekla;meh solar
621928;1397403667;kakobrekla;havent you seen the matrix?
621929;1397403670;asciilifeform;strap a 'peltier' to your wrist. body heat. a milliamp or so.
621930;1397403685;kakobrekla;ah you have seen it.
621931;1397403687;kakobrekla;:D
621932;1397403719;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.08299776 = 1.826 BTC [-]
621933;1397403728;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: if i recall, the original script for the film called for the robot overlords to use mankind as distributed computing elements, rather than 'batteries'
621934;1397403735;asciilifeform;but this was later 'dumbed down.'
621935;1397403770;kakobrekla;robots use mankind as computing elements come on
621936;1397403777;kakobrekla;what sort of a sick joke is this
621937;1397403785;asciilifeform;less of one than 'battery'
621938;1397403821;dignork;kakobrekla, they use humans to solve capcha
621939;1397403829;kakobrekla;dignork :DD
621940;1397403907;kakobrekla;i dont think its optimal to keep the whole brain and whole human alive to compute some stuff
621941;1397403919;fluffypony;asciilifeform: yeah I remember something like that too, the battery thing was done to make it more accessible
621942;1397403923;kakobrekla;the machines surely would have figured that out
621943;1397403958;fluffypony;I don't play games often, but damn the Civilization: Beyond Earth trailer makes me want to play again
621944;1397403962;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: what we do with farm animals isn't exactly optimal
621945;1397403980;fluffypony;and it's going to be on Linux
621946;1397403986;fluffypony;http://www.gametrailers.com/news-post/73123/sid-meiers-civilization-goes-sci-fi-with-beyond-earth
621947;1397403987;asciilifeform;'We shall escape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken in order to eat the breast or wing, by growing these parts separately under a suitable medium.'
621948;1397403991;asciilifeform;(winston churchill)
621949;1397404014;kakobrekla;yes that is happening nowdays
621950;1397404024;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.01500001 = 0.105 BTC [+] {2} 
621951;1397404030;asciilifeform;ever eat a cultured cell?
621952;1397404035;asciilifeform;try it
621953;1397404042;kakobrekla;no i cant say i have
621954;1397404062;cgcardona_;damn cryptsy is slow- withdrew 7 different coins about 24 hrs ago and the transactions are still *pending*
621955;1397404068;kakobrekla;you tried it?
621956;1397404076;asciilifeform;how about a herbivorous insect, like cicada
621957;1397404082;asciilifeform;they taste like grass.
621958;1397404086;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5815 = 1.163 BTC [+] {2} 
621959;1397404087;asciilifeform;'you are what you eat
621960;1397404087;asciilifeform;'
621961;1397404106;asciilifeform;the simpler the metabolism, the more so.
621962;1397404176;cgcardona_;what is the general take in here on altcoins? cool to discuss or not here?
621963;1397404209;cgcardona_;i've been pretty excited about master coin and colored coins
621964;1397404227;cgcardona_;and of course I've been dabbling in alt just cause I like the idea of cryptos in general
621965;1397404296;benkay;cgcardona_: are they actually in the memory pool or has cryptsy not broadcast them yet?
621966;1397404343;cgcardona_;it looks like cryptsy hasn't broadcast them yet. cause I created new addresses for each withdraw/coin and I'm not seeing those addresses show up on any blockchains yet
621967;1397404358;kakobrekla;asciilifeform i guess we wait until humans manage to grow functional brains on a petri dish, then the argument will be settled.
621968;1397404370;cgcardona_;i've read online that 24 hrs has happened to other people. so I'm gonna wait until later today before I contact support.
621969;1397404401;benkay;cgcardona_: altcoins are always worth talking about, although some more than others.
621970;1397404420;cgcardona_;awesome. my thoughts exactly
621971;1397404562;cgcardona_;i'm wondering how the alt coin scene will change w/ the arrival of mastercoin and/or colored coins and/or sidechains. If I understand correctly these will layer abstractions upon bitcoin which will use a satoshi as a level of abstraction to represent anything (stock option, gold bar, keys to a car, deed to a house, etc). If that's the case then all that value should be driven back into the bitcoin blockchain right?
621972;1397404575;cgcardona_;which would seemingly push the value of an individual btc highter.
621973;1397404817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.40455168 BTC to 8`286 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
621974;1397404822;ThickAsThieves;more likely, they will do nothing but liberate bitcoins from those who dont deserve them
621975;1397404842;ThickAsThieves;at least for the forseeable future
621976;1397404996;cgcardona_;ThickAsThieves: can you explain what you mean by that? How will they accomplish that?
621977;1397405185;ThickAsThieves;depends on the specific case, but, for example, some of these things require you to "burn" coins, or somewhat permanently assign them
621978;1397405207;ThickAsThieves;if/when that sidething dies, what then?
621979;1397405220;ThickAsThieves;if/when that sidething scams, what then?
621980;1397405225;ThickAsThieves;etc
621981;1397405245;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 30 @ 0.00587346 = 0.1762 BTC [-] {5} 
621982;1397405265;ThickAsThieves;then, take colored coins
621983;1397405292;ThickAsThieves;the push for them comes from a desire to remove centralized exchanges for stocks or property
621984;1397405316;ThickAsThieves;but it doesnt remove the risk that the issuer is going to liberate your value
621985;1397405325;ThickAsThieves;it actually makes it more likely
621986;1397405341;ThickAsThieves;it also doesnt remove regulatory fears
621987;1397405349;benkay;basically paper only has value if there's someone with a gun backing that statement of value.
621988;1397405358;benkay;bitcoin isn't strong enough to enforce alloidal title.
621989;1397405362;benkay;yet.
621990;1397405367;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04840019 = 0.484 BTC [-] {6} 
621991;1397405368;ThickAsThieves;it places MORE burden on the issuer of the color
621992;1397405376;benkay;take danielpbarron for instance
621993;1397405388;cgcardona_;ThickAsThieves: interesting points. I'll consider them.
621994;1397405396;ThickAsThieves;!up TestingUnoDosTre
621995;1397405396;assbot;Insufficient rights, ThickAsThieves.
621996;1397405398;benkay;dude is selling an in-game-currency 'meat' on one of the distributed exchanges
621997;1397405400;benkay;!up danielpbarron
621998;1397405400;assbot;Voicing danielpbarron for 30 minutes.
621999;1397405419;benkay;nobody is enforcing he honor his contract for meats.
622000;1397405471;ThickAsThieves;!up TestingUnoDosTre
622001;1397405471;assbot;Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
622002;1397405488;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00013924 = 0.2785 BTC [-] {12} 
622003;1397405518;benkay;http://blockscan.com/assetInfo.aspx?q=MEAT
622004;1397405522;TestingUnoDosTre;anyone know where the instructions are for this gpg key verification ? can't find in the log
622005;1397405540;benkay;("Disclaimer: Blockscan is not responsible for the accuracy of the content listed here.")
622006;1397405552;benkay;what do you mean by gpg verification, TestingUnoDosTre ?
622007;1397405559;benkay;decrypting gribble's one-time-pad?
622008;1397405584;TestingUnoDosTre;no, i mean joining the wot or whatever so I don't have to get voiced up ery 30 minutes
622009;1397405588;ThickAsThieves;you need to register with WoT and register that same nick with freenode nameserv
622010;1397405604;ThickAsThieves;someone made a guide i think
622011;1397405612;ThickAsThieves;not surre if it includes all steps
622012;1397405612;TestingUnoDosTre;that's what I'm lookin for
622013;1397405619;benkay;;;google bitcoin-otc guide wot
622014;1397405620;gribble;#bitcoin-otc: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/>; #bitcoin-otc web of trust: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php>; Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide>
622015;1397405633;TestingUnoDosTre;whoops, was looking in teh wrong log
622016;1397405637;ThickAsThieves;;;google #bitcoin-assets +m
622017;1397405638;gribble;#bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/>; Vanitas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/vanitas/>; This privacy thing… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/this-privacy-thing/>
622018;1397405653;benkay;http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide#Registration.2C_authentication.2C_and_validation
622019;1397405655;ozbot;Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki
622020;1397405671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21078 @ 0.00096436 = 20.3268 BTC [-] {2} 
622021;1397405698;benkay;basically
622022;1397405715;benkay;;;eregister <wot name> <pgp long id>
622023;1397405716;gribble;Error: 'name>' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
622024;1397405743;benkay;;;everify <decrypted blob returned from previous command>
622025;1397405753;fluffypony;,,gg
622026;1397405765;fluffypony;,,bg
622027;1397405781;fluffypony;only works on -otc
622028;1397405781;fluffypony;[18:16:11]  <+fluffypony> ,,bg
622029;1397405781;fluffypony;[18:16:12]  <@gribble> http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide
622030;1397405796;benkay;;;bg
622031;1397405797;gribble;Error: "bg" is not a valid command.
622032;1397405800;benkay;huh.
622033;1397405802;fluffypony;yeah I know
622034;1397405807;fluffypony;it's ,, not ;; for that
622035;1397405810;fluffypony;I have nfi why
622036;1397405837;TestingUnoDosTre;;;ident TestingUnoDosTre
622037;1397405838;gribble;Nick 'TestingUnoDosTre', with hostmask 'TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210', is not identified.
622038;1397405916;benkay;also distributed exchanges do shit like publish charts that only go through february: http://blockscan.com/burn.aspx
622039;1397405946;benkay;although i guess xcp is a limited time burn thing?
622040;1397405957;benkay;which is scamcoin red flag of the highest order.
622041;1397405962;fluffypony;yeah
622042;1397405967;fluffypony;you could only burn at the beginning
622043;1397405971;fluffypony;I don't think you can burn now
622044;1397406030;benkay;abhorrent.
622045;1397406118;cgcardona_;I just recently registered for this room. I had to register my nick w/ nickserv. Then w/ gribble i `register cgcardona_ <gpg ID>`. gribble replies w/ a challenge string which I then signed w/ my gpg key and put on to pastebin. Then to gribble I said `verify <pastebin url>` and my registration was good. Now to assbot I ca n`!up` and it works. Each time to register w/ gribble I `auth cgcardona_ ` to which it replies w/ anoth
622046;1397406119;cgcardona_;challenge string that I again sign and put on pastebin.
622047;1397406132;cgcardona_;not sure if that helps of if that's all extremely obvious for everyone in here.
622048;1397406159;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.59716603 = 28.0668 BTC [+] {11} 
622049;1397406160;cgcardona_;*helps at all
622050;1397406181;benkay;if you do ;;eauth cgcardona_ , you can decrypt the otp you get in return and then ;;everify that string
622051;1397406208;benkay;a little script that curl otp-url.php | gpg -d | pbcopy on os x is how i do things
622052;1397406217;benkay;so that i can just ;;everify (cmd p)
622053;1397406237;fluffypony;benkay: "The protocol was coded to create XCP on any address that sent less than or equal to 1 BTC to 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr between blocks 278310 and 283810 This was written right into the open-source code. So no individual had to be trusted to accept money then distribute a genesis block like with Next, Mastercoin, Emunie, Ethereum, Levelcoin (ipo scam), Visacoin (ipo scam)"
622054;1397406240;fluffypony;from reddit
622055;1397406247;cgcardona_;cool I'll check that out benkay
622056;1397406309;benkay;fluffypony: these initial burns are just as much a crime as premining.
622057;1397406332;fluffypony;benkay: I actually don't understand the point of this at all
622058;1397406332;cgcardona_;very interesting. I'd not heard that argument before.
622059;1397406350;benkay;http://blockscan.com/asset.aspx
622060;1397406365;benkay;(^^ wtf am i supposed to do? examine every thing individually??)
622061;1397406374;cgcardona_;so you're saying it's like premining in the sense that the people creating the coins which need to be burned in to are starting the game with a bunch of the new coins for themselves?
622062;1397406424;fluffypony;benkay: presumably the active ones will punt their asset?
622063;1397406447;benkay;the whole thing is a punt
622064;1397406460;benkay;look, an exchange is by definition a place people gather to exchange a thing
622065;1397406478;benkay;if i have to go to bitcointalk.org to read about your 'asset', you've failed.
622066;1397406499;fluffypony;agreed
622067;1397406553;fluffypony;I also don't see what's wrong (fundamentally) with an exchange being a central point of issuance/authority/failure, as long as it's not built and run like mtgox or litecoininvest or whatever
622068;1397406583;benkay;it is a time honored practice, this centralizing of important things.
622069;1397406585;benkay;docks
622070;1397406588;benkay;banks
622071;1397406590;benkay;libraries
622072;1397406603;cgcardona_;ok then can I spin it as all of the burn in coins will just remove btc from the blockchain thus driving value to the blockchain a la' "Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."
622073;1397406620;benkay;but you just burnt bitcoins.
622074;1397406627;benkay;they're gone forever.
622075;1397406637;benkay;n/21 million gone.
622076;1397406638;cgcardona_;right - and satoshi's quote says "Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."
622077;1397406650;cgcardona_;my last question was partially in jest
622078;1397406684;benkay;donations to everyone are not needed.
622079;1397406710;benkay;when the world economy is denominated in btc, these pennies will not materially affect how much or less i can buy with my btc.
622080;1397406751;benkay;economy size being fixed, and my share of the pool being fixed (income aside)
622081;1397406761;cgcardona_;but who is to say it will only be pennies? What if someone were to burn 75% of all btc into other coins. that would surely affect the price of the remaining btc by more than pennies.
622082;1397406775;benkay;price, and today.
622083;1397406798;ThickAsThieves;the pie is 100% no matter ho0w many slices
622084;1397406803;ThickAsThieves;this is the point
622085;1397406822;benkay;besides, it's a garbage example. anyone controlling significant numbers of btc won't be burning significant numbers of them. maybe the odd equivalent of a buttcoin to see some derps flail with their piggyback chains, but not a significant number.
622086;1397406847;cgcardona_;i personally agree with you. but I don't think I can speak for "anyone controlling significant numbers of btc"
622087;1397406855;cgcardona_;people act irrationally
622088;1397406872;cgcardona_;and we dont know what jesus coins may arrive in the future. people may be incentivized to burn coins en mass
622089;1397406885;cgcardona_;but actually I agree w/ you overall. just arguing the point for the sake of clarity
622090;1397406896;ThickAsThieves;people may grow unihorns too
622091;1397406896;benkay;and the earth may orbit backwards tomorrow.
622092;1397406901;cgcardona_;:D
622093;1397406903;asciilifeform;best racket will be to 'burn,' rather than burn.
622094;1397406941;fluffypony;asciilifeform yeah
622095;1397406958;fluffypony;given a sufficiently powerful vanity address generator
622096;1397406963;fluffypony;you could convince people it's a burner
622097;1397406984;TestingUnoDosTre;;;eregister TestingUnoDosTre DFBEC17DF96DFB77
622098;1397406987;gribble;Request successful for user TestingUnoDosTre, hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DFBEC17DF96DFB77
622099;1397407010;cgcardona_;so let me see if I understand. I tell people I'm creating cgcardona_coin and that they need to burn coins into 1cgcardonafuckingrulesAdfusd address which is actually my personal address?
622100;1397407012;fluffypony;that sentence was all wrong, but you get my drift
622101;1397407019;benkay;btw TestingUnoDosTre that OTP url is unique for the duration of your use of that key. so feel free to hard code it into any scripts you write.
622102;1397407031;fluffypony;cgcardona_: yes, that burner address was 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr
622103;1397407033;TestingUnoDosTre;nice
622104;1397407040;cgcardona_;fluffypony: ah ok I'm getting it now
622105;1397407047;fluffypony;to generate that with vanitygen or oclvanitygen would take more time than there is on the sun
622106;1397407057;benkay;time on the sun nice
622107;1397407071;cgcardona_;haha
622108;1397407080;benkay;i've heard of mixed metaphors, but you blended that one
622109;1397407081;ThickAsThieves;*could* take more time
622110;1397407089;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves is right
622111;1397407090;fluffypony;could take
622112;1397407111;benkay;mhm.
622113;1397407117;benkay;burning. considered stupid.
622114;1397407126;cgcardona_;glad we had this talk.
622115;1397407140;fluffypony;stumbling across a randomly generated BTC privkey that is for an address with funds is equally possible and probably more likely
622116;1397407140;cgcardona_;i had been buying into the mastercoin and colored coins hype
622117;1397407141;fluffypony;:-P
622118;1397407203;ThickAsThieves;glad you asked!
622119;1397407211;benkay;distributed autonomous corporations
622120;1397407215;benkay;ick
622121;1397407216;ThickAsThieves;ick
622122;1397407218;ThickAsThieves;lol
622123;1397407234;benkay;getting a bit echo-y in here...
622124;1397407254;ThickAsThieves;asschamber
622125;1397407301;benkay;an individual suggesting a business could be run on algorithms is demonstrating why that person is unsuited to make claims about businesses.
622126;1397407318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00096562 = 72.7112 BTC [+] {5} 
622127;1397407342;benkay;even your gambling operation will need human intervention from time to time.
622128;1397407361;benkay;unless you hook the cold wallet up to the robot too, which, anathema.
622129;1397407378;fluffypony;yeah
622130;1397407398;fluffypony;that's why the whole Internet marketing / Warrior Forum thing is such a clever scam
622131;1397407405;fluffypony;because they keep advertising things as "hands off"
622132;1397407415;ThickAsThieves;one day i want to grow up and be a DAC cab company owner
622133;1397407433;fluffypony;like you're just going to start this auto-blogging thing and it'll go and you won't need to touch it and the funds will just flow in
622134;1397407448;benkay;"you don't even need to know anything!"
622135;1397407454;benkay;get. the. fuck. out.
622136;1397407483;fluffypony;passive income is not a thing unless you happen to write a massive single that will be played for the next 100 years, or write a timeless book that will be sold for the next 100 years
622137;1397407497;benkay;500k in the bank
622138;1397407501;benkay;move to thailand
622139;1397407520;fluffypony;ask MisterE about that:-P
622140;1397407529;cgcardona_;fluffypony: more accurately if you *produce* a massive single. writers/performers get screwed as well
622141;1397407530;benkay;or 500B, live off the deflationary behavior
622142;1397407535;benkay;in like 30 years
622143;1397407557;ThickAsThieves;fluffypony even music income isnt passive
622144;1397407565;ThickAsThieves;needs lawyers, enforcement, etc
622145;1397407569;fluffypony;and concerts and promotions
622146;1397407569;cgcardona_;^
622147;1397407577;fluffypony;and book signings
622148;1397407581;fluffypony;and TV appearances
622149;1397407590;cgcardona_;and flavored drinks
622150;1397407596;cgcardona_;(i'm looking at you 50 cent)
622151;1397407597;fluffypony;heh
622152;1397407600;ThickAsThieves;plus who the fuck pays for music anymore?
622153;1397407602;fluffypony;"new fluffypony cola"
622154;1397407604;benkay;wow hey i just realized a thing
622155;1397407612;benkay;code tutorials with product placement
622156;1397407634;ThickAsThieves;this code brought to you by Mountain Dew
622157;1397407644;benkay;var MountainDew = "yourbutt"
622158;1397407647;cgcardona_;haha
622159;1397407657;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: I do peripherally - I have a Songza premium sub ($0.99 a week) and a Rdio Unlimited subscription ($10/month)
622160;1397407659;benkay;great hustle
622161;1397407661;fluffypony;but I don't pay per song
622162;1397407675;ThickAsThieves;well i do too, but yknow
622163;1397407680;benkay;impossible to find anything on those damn services
622164;1397407686;cgcardona_;I pay for music at live shows quite often. That's where the real hustle is
622165;1397407690;ThickAsThieves;so far pandora wins
622166;1397407696;ThickAsThieves;great at finding new music
622167;1397407699;fluffypony;Rdio is actually really awesome - you can "sync" stuff to mobile, which basically just downloads the songs and stores them in the app
622168;1397407709;fluffypony;so kinda like buying it and having a local copy except not
622169;1397407712;cgcardona_;yea spotify does that as well
622170;1397407721;ThickAsThieves;fluffypony they all do that
622171;1397407725;benkay;kinda almost like copying the file and putting it on a device
622172;1397407727;benkay;o.O
622173;1397407730;ThickAsThieves;lol
622174;1397407733;fluffypony;lol
622175;1397407736;cgcardona_;haaha!
622176;1397407741;cgcardona_;except they can take it whenever they want!
622177;1397407744;benkay;except shittier and stupid.
622178;1397407752;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: yeah but none of them have been available in South Africa till Rdio came along
622179;1397407770;kakobrekla;!up TestingUnoDosTre
622180;1397407770;assbot;Insufficient rights, kakobrekla.
622181;1397407789;ThickAsThieves;!up TestingUnoDosTre
622182;1397407789;assbot;Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
622183;1397407798;kakobrekla;ty
622184;1397407800;TestingUnoDosTre;;;eregister TestingUnoDosTre DFBEC17DF96DFB77
622185;1397407805;gribble;Request successful for user TestingUnoDosTre, hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DFBEC17DF96DFB77
622186;1397407819;ThickAsThieves;yw
622187;1397407843;cgcardona_;omg 'proof-of-burn' is actually a thing
622188;1397407851;cgcardona_;i thought that was just the greatest stoner joke ever
622189;1397407870;cgcardona_;i didn't realize that's what the concept was actually called (reading https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395761.0)
622190;1397407908;fluffypony;heh
622191;1397407924;benkay;proof of burn is a great way to get people to buy into your thing
622192;1397407972;benkay;do it, now you have this tiny network of people who need to see the value of their coins increase. they will jump through all sorts of rationalizations as to why their burn was a good idea.
622193;1397407999;benkay;plus, you now have an entirely constricted supply.
622194;1397408038;benkay;consider a bitcoin thing; an alt chain, a piggyback thing, whatever it is.
622195;1397408077;cgcardona_;"they will jump through all sorts of rationalizations as to why their burn was a good idea." - couldn't you say the same thing about most people who have a vested interest in something succeeding?
622196;1397408082;benkay;if it throws away big important parts of bitcoin (like say distributing supply semi-randomly according to capital power, the txn processing network), it's probably fucking stupid.
622197;1397408095;benkay;cgcardona_: bitcoin especially
622198;1397408102;TestingUnoDosTre;;;;verify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d9e4395d378eb882437ec77d6fb080db6aedf418eb220b117fbfc9c1
622199;1397408102;gribble;Error: ";verify" is not a valid command.
622200;1397408107;benkay;;;everify
622201;1397408109;TestingUnoDosTre;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d9e4395d378eb882437ec77d6fb080db6aedf418eb220b117fbfc9c1
622202;1397408110;gribble;Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user TestingUnoDosTre with key DFBEC17DF96DFB77
622203;1397408111;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12074 @ 0.00096568 = 11.6596 BTC [+]
622204;1397408117;fluffypony;wd TestingUnoDosTre
622205;1397408121;TestingUnoDosTre;now I just need some trust!?
622206;1397408133;fluffypony;specifically you need to be in assbot's primary trust
622207;1397408136;cgcardona_;TestingUnoDosTre: so does that mean you don't have to reauth everytime you come into the room?
622208;1397408139;benkay;or secondary
622209;1397408142;benkay;;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre
622210;1397408143;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210. Trust relationship from user benkay to user TestingUnoDosTre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=TestingUnoDosTre | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TestingUnoDosTre | Rated since: never
622211;1397408143;fluffypony;or secondary
622212;1397408146;benkay;;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre assbot
622213;1397408146;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user TestingUnoDosTre to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=TestingUnoDosTre&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
622214;1397408158;cgcardona_;;;gettrust benkay
622215;1397408159;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
622216;1397408178;benkay;;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 an entity.
622217;1397408180;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user TestingUnoDosTre has been recorded.
622218;1397408197;benkay;let the rating dilutions begin.
622219;1397408228;TestingUnoDosTre;;;gettrust TEstingUnoDosTre
622220;1397408228;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210. Trust relationship from user TestingUnoDosTre to user TEstingUnoDosTre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=TestingUnoDosTre&dest=TEstingUnoDosTre | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TEstingUnoDosTre | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014
622221;1397408229;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: you can now !up yourself via pm with assbot
622222;1397408242;benkay;;;gettrust assbot TestingUnoDosTre
622223;1397408243;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TestingUnoDosTre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TestingUnoDosTre | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TestingUnoDosTre | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014
622224;1397408257;TestingUnoDosTre;do I have to add trust to assbot?
622225;1397408260;fluffypony;nope
622226;1397408260;TestingUnoDosTre;or rate
622227;1397408272;benkay;no, it works the other way around.
622228;1397408275;cgcardona_;so I'm able to up myself but I have no trust w/ assbot. how is that working?
622229;1397408285;benkay;;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 still using a web client
622230;1397408286;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user TestingUnoDosTre has changed from 1 to 1.
622231;1397408293;benkay;;;gettrust cgcardona_ assbot
622232;1397408294;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
622233;1397408297;TestingUnoDosTre;:D
622234;1397408307;benkay;!down cgcardona_
622235;1397408307;assbot;Insufficient rights, benkay.
622236;1397408313;benkay;!up cgcardona_
622237;1397408313;assbot;Voicing cgcardona_.
622238;1397408319;benkay;!down cgcardona_
622239;1397408319;assbot;Insufficient rights, benkay.
622240;1397408322;TestingUnoDosTre;!up TestingUnoDosTre
622241;1397408322;assbot;Insufficient rights, TestingUnoDosTre.
622242;1397408328;benkay;fascinating.
622243;1397408337;benkay;you !up yourself in pm with assbot, TestingUnoDosTre
622244;1397408342;TestingUnoDosTre;gotcha
622245;1397408360;benkay;cgcardona_: can you really up yourself? would you demonstrate that?
622246;1397408362;benkay;;;ident cgcardona_
622247;1397408363;gribble;Nick 'cgcardona_', with hostmask 'cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'cgcardona_', with GPG key id 0F1225CA7384131A, key fingerprint B591A80F8DF61ACAC58C806A0F1225CA7384131A, and bitcoin address None
622248;1397408365;cgcardona_;sure
622249;1397408374;cgcardona_;just did it
622250;1397408383;benkay;so part and then rejoin
622251;1397408387;cgcardona_;ok
622252;1397408389;cgcardona_;brb
622253;1397408406;kakobrekla;asciilifeform what was that recent blogpost link re dont come to merrica again?
622254;1397408418;benkay;;;ident cgcardona_
622255;1397408418;gribble;Nick 'cgcardona_', with hostmask 'cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com', is not identified.
622256;1397408433;benkay;;;ident cgcardona_
622257;1397408434;gribble;Nick 'cgcardona_', with hostmask 'cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com', is not identified.
622258;1397408467;benkay;waiting on you, cgcardona_
622259;1397408504;fluffypony;sweet Harrison Ford AMA
622260;1397408509;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/um6ijro.jpg
622261;1397408517;fluffypony;he looks like a wizard
622262;1397408518;cgcardona_;ok i'm back w/ voice benkay
622263;1397408531;cgcardona_;the time lag is that I need to reauth w/ gribble each time which takes a second.
622264;1397408531;benkay;;;gettrust cgcardona_ assbot
622265;1397408532;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
622266;1397408545;benkay;kakobrekla: what's going on with cgcardona_ ?
622267;1397408566;benkay;just self-upped with no lvl2 trust to assbot.
622268;1397408577;benkay;s/to/from
622269;1397408596;cgcardona_;kakobrekla: gave me a little trust yesterday. i think that was sufficient
622270;1397408603;cgcardona_;just so that I could !up
622271;1397408610;benkay;;;gettrust kakobrekla assbot
622272;1397408610;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user assbot: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
622273;1397408614;cgcardona_;i'm still unclear on how to get trust from assbot
622274;1397408617;benkay;;;gettrust kakobrekla cgcardona_
622275;1397408617;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014
622276;1397408642;kakobrekla;is gribble bugged?
622277;1397408646;benkay;;;gettrust assbot cgcardona_
622278;1397408646;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014
622279;1397408664;benkay;no, it's directional.
622280;1397408664;kakobrekla;well there it is
622281;1397408667;kakobrekla;yeah
622282;1397408670;kakobrekla;makes sense
622283;1397408677;kakobrekla;naughty cgcardona_ didnt rate back,.
622284;1397408677;benkay;mhm
622285;1397408690;cgcardona_;kakobrekla: I'm new! will rate right now (googling how)
622286;1397408695;benkay;uh so i guess this means i have to update ratings
622287;1397408696;kakobrekla;:D
622288;1397408697;cgcardona_;still new to wot
622289;1397408698;kakobrekla;no worries
622290;1397408699;cgcardona_;:)
622291;1397408704;TestingUnoDosTre;wwhy did assbot say I wasn't authenticated?
622292;1397408724;kakobrekla;;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre
622293;1397408724;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user TestingUnoDosTre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=TestingUnoDosTre | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TestingUnoDosTre | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014
622294;1397408729;benkay;;;rate Ssateneth 3 good exchange
622295;1397408731;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Ssateneth has changed from 2 to 3.
622296;1397408732;kakobrekla;at this point we will need #bitcoin-assets-support
622297;1397408732;TestingUnoDosTre;hrmph
622298;1397408742;kakobrekla;s/point/rate
622299;1397408749;benkay;;;rate mircea_popescu 3 bitlord
622300;1397408750;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 3.
622301;1397408765;benkay;;;rate kakobrekla 3 such ops
622302;1397408766;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 2 to 3.
622303;1397408787;benkay;;;rate jurov 2 great to work with
622304;1397408788;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 1 to 2.
622305;1397408789;cgcardona_;;;rate kakobrekla 1 For allowing me to have voince in #bitcoin-assets
622306;1397408791;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
622307;1397408799;benkay;;;rate mod6 2 monk
622308;1397408801;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mod6 has changed from 1 to 2.
622309;1397408806;benkay;;;rate davout 2 did not 0day me
622310;1397408808;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user davout has changed from 1 to 2.
622311;1397408843;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00570001 = 0.3705 BTC [+]
622312;1397408857;kakobrekla;TestingUnoDosTre does assbot still say you are not authed?
622313;1397408870;TestingUnoDosTre;looks like it does not
622314;1397408890;cgcardona_;;;gettrust cgcardona_
622315;1397408890;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014
622316;1397408895;cgcardona_;trust noone ^
622317;1397408962;TestingUnoDosTre;can't rate myself, what kind of sham is this!?
622318;1397408972;benkay;;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 #bitcoin-assets +v
622319;1397408973;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user TestingUnoDosTre has changed from 1 to 1.
622320;1397409070;TestingUnoDosTre;;;rate dignork 1 helped me register gpg key. Bitcoin-assets support 5 stars *****
622321;1397409071;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dignork has been recorded.
622322;1397409087;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03529966 = 0.1059 BTC [+] {3} 
622323;1397409562;cgcardona_;;;rate kakobrekla 1 For allowing me to have voice in #bitcoin-assets
622324;1397409563;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 1 to 1.
622325;1397409567;cgcardona_;fixing typo ^^
622326;1397409867;Anduck;!up gribble
622327;1397409867;assbot;Insufficient rights, Anduck.
622328;1397409874;Anduck;n00b assbot
622329;1397409877;Anduck;!up anduck
622330;1397409877;assbot;Insufficient rights, Anduck.
622331;1397409880;Anduck;wtf
622332;1397409896;Apocalyptic;<Anduck> !up gribble // he's already upped... as you are
622333;1397409907;Anduck;well hmm yea
622334;1397410021;Anduck;!up gribble
622335;1397410021;assbot;Insufficient rights, Anduck.
622336;1397410023;Anduck;ok
622337;1397410034;Anduck;i thought it was because i wasn't authed
622338;1397410037;Anduck;but now i am =)
622339;1397410046;Apocalyptic;what are you trying to do ?
622340;1397410053;Anduck;just testing assbot
622341;1397410098;bounce;;;echo !up anduck
622342;1397410099;gribble;!up anduck
622343;1397410099;assbot;Insufficient rights, gribble.
622344;1397410215;kakobrekla;noobs.
622345;1397410227;Anduck;noobs?
622346;1397410247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00096536 = 4.3924 BTC [-]
622347;1397410252;kakobrekla;if you !up yourself via pm with assbot you get all the rights you get
622348;1397410270;Anduck;why does it say "insufficient rights"?
622349;1397410280;kakobrekla;you dont get those if you are upped by someone else or if theres a split like it was.
622350;1397410298;Anduck;!up anduck
622351;1397410298;assbot;Voicing anduck for 30 minutes.
622352;1397410302;Anduck;nice
622353;1397410312;kakobrekla;you just self pwned yourself
622354;1397410315;Anduck;i kno
622355;1397410318;Anduck;i can selfpwn anyone
622356;1397410321;Anduck;like gribble, right=
622357;1397410321;Anduck;'
622358;1397410323;kakobrekla;i found a bug.
622359;1397410332;Anduck;i found it too =)
622360;1397410342;Anduck;well, it's not a bug but... that is a bug
622361;1397410353;Anduck;;;echo !up assbot
622362;1397410353;gribble;!up assbot
622363;1397410353;assbot;Insufficient rights, gribble.
622364;1397410360;Anduck;!up assbot
622365;1397410360;assbot;I don't do bots, Anduck.
622366;1397410364;Anduck;ahh
622367;1397410366;Anduck;he doesn't do bots.
622368;1397410404;kakobrekla;;;echo !up Assbot
622369;1397410404;gribble;!up Assbot
622370;1397410404;assbot;Insufficient rights, gribble.
622371;1397410438;kakobrekla;the problem is, theres a difference between "!up Anduck" and "!up anduck"
622372;1397410442;Anduck;hmm
622373;1397410443;Anduck;ok
622374;1397410443;kakobrekla;i noticed it now.
622375;1397410445;Anduck;!up Anduck
622376;1397410445;assbot;Really, Anduck?
622377;1397410453;Anduck;!up anDuck
622378;1397410453;assbot;Voicing anDuck for 30 minutes.
622379;1397410458;Anduck;heh
622380;1397410481;Anduck;!up Gribble
622381;1397410481;assbot;Voicing Gribble for 30 minutes.
622382;1397410484;Anduck;shiiit
622383;1397410491;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0354999 = 0.355 BTC [+]
622384;1397410501;kakobrekla;just do !down anduck
622385;1397410510;Anduck;!down Gribble
622386;1397410514;Anduck;hmm
622387;1397410529;kakobrekla;down yourself.
622388;1397410529;Anduck;gribble needs permavoice, though
622389;1397410533;Anduck;!down anduckj
622390;1397410534;Anduck;!down anduck
622391;1397410539;kakobrekla;meh
622392;1397410547;kakobrekla;no gribble just needs less idiots messing around with stuff
622393;1397410552;fluffypony;lol, so there's a new Japanese exchange: btcbox.co.jp
622394;1397410555;fluffypony;from reddit: "Just to clarify, this is not a new Gox. They were only here cos that fat french fuck had to run away from his previous crimes. This exchange appears to be a proper japanese exchange aimed at the Japanese people."
622395;1397410569;Anduck;haha you just called me an idiot, right? =D
622396;1397410581;kakobrekla;maybe i did
622397;1397410609;bounce;timeless lessons of software engineering.
622398;1397410610;mircea_popescu;sounds legit
622399;1397410673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00096536 = 6.5162 BTC [-]
622400;1397410674;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [+]
622401;1397410740;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22xjx4/my_wife_is_complaining_that_the_house_is_cold/
622402;1397410740;ozbot;My wife is complaining that the house is cold.... because we sold our bitcoin miners... : Bitcoin
622403;1397410742;ThickAsThieves;lol
622404;1397410749;ThickAsThieves;"And before she was complaining that the house was too noisy... because we had bitcoin miners...
622405;1397410749;ThickAsThieves;can't win."
622406;1397410765;ThickAsThieves;"sell your wife next time"
622407;1397410770;Anduck;should buy noiseless miners
622408;1397410774;Anduck;bitfurys for example =)
622409;1397410804;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves until and unless he starts spanking her, definitely.
622410;1397410881;nubbins`;noiseless wife, even
622411;1397410918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03403328 = 0.2723 BTC [-] {5} 
622412;1397411039;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06698999 = 0.6699 BTC [+] {2} 
622413;1397411097;mircea_popescu;dn¡
622414;1397411114;mircea_popescu;fail.
622415;1397411133;mircea_popescu;˙u�ʌ� ןı�ɟ
622416;1397411180;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: any reccommendations on what software to use to talk to gpg for automated things?
622417;1397411211;Anduck;make bash script
622418;1397411212;fluffypony;u�op¡
622419;1397411221;fluffypony;ɟʇ� 'ʞɹo� ʇ,us�op
622420;1397411225;mircea_popescu;prolly a bash script'd be the best
622421;1397411256;fluffypony;¿ʇoqss� oʇ assbot �ɯ�u�ɹ pןnoɥs �� �qʎ�ɯ
622422;1397411276;benkay;hard question is how best to set up box with gpg on network and wire it to other boxen doing stuff.
622423;1397411315;mircea_popescu;why on network ? hook them up on serial cable and write your own protocol.
622424;1397411336;benkay;"network"
622425;1397411400;benkay;but thx mircea_popescu
622426;1397411406;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00096672 = 18.4644 BTC [+]
622427;1397411461;bounce;interfacing gpg is clunky to the point there's a library to make it easier, gpgme (haven't checked how much it helps, to me it's just another annoying dependency), though some programs just run the commands and look at the answer strings
622428;1397411501;thestringpuller;all these unicode characters are killin issi
622429;1397411544;bounce;though if you go (bourne, not bourne again please) script it's probably a good idea to tell the thing to use "C" for a locale, lest the thing suddenly talks french or something
622430;1397411584;thestringpuller;bounce: sounds like a problem for pankkake
622431;1397411597;FabianB;pympex and MPEx.rb use gpgme
622432;1397411661;thestringpuller;good 'ol mpexagent ;)
622433;1397411662;mircea_popescu;gpgme isn't bad, there's also a gpgagent thing that seems solid
622434;1397411672;thestringpuller;agents scare me
622435;1397411673;mircea_popescu;just you know, whatever you're doing
622436;1397411799;FabianB;gpgme is a library for gpg, gpg-agent just just 'remember my pw for a period of time'
622437;1397411800;mircea_popescu;!up dignork
622438;1397411800;assbot;Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.
622439;1397411811;mircea_popescu;yo. dja know how to up yourself ?
622440;1397411899;dignork;mircea_popescu, why?
622441;1397411919;mircea_popescu;so you can do it lol
622442;1397411953;assbot;Listing #bitcoin-assets rules - requested by only
622443;1397411954;assbot;- don't spam too much, it's spammy
622444;1397411955;assbot;- don't use of 'afk' or 'away' on the chan or your nick, it's spammy
622445;1397411956;assbot;- anything you say is public and can be used by anyone
622446;1397411957;assbot;- we do like bacon and eggs, even sausages most of the time
622447;1397411971;bounce;spammy spammy assbot
622448;1397412042;dignork;mircea_popescu, this kind of contradicts the new elitist channel model
622449;1397412071;mircea_popescu;how you mean ?
622450;1397412079;mircea_popescu;!up only
622451;1397412079;assbot;Voicing only for 30 minutes.
622452;1397412080;mircea_popescu;yo.
622453;1397412142;only;danke mircea_popescu
622454;1397412176;dignork;;;echo !up dignork
622455;1397412176;gribble;!up dignork
622456;1397412176;assbot;Insufficient rights, gribble.
622457;1397412177;mircea_popescu;sure.
622458;1397412189;dignork;tor access seems to be horribly lagging anyway:( so even my attempt to check if grible echo hack works was pointless :(
622459;1397412193;mircea_popescu;dignork you id with gribble and then pm assbot !up
622460;1397412203;mircea_popescu;and gribble hack doth not work, no.
622461;1397412250;mircea_popescu;http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/assbot-level-2-trust/ < gotta be on this list. you get there by getting in the wot and getting rated by someone in assbot's trustlist
622462;1397412251;ozbot;assbot level 2 trust | Khersonus Blog
622463;1397412291;Anduck;assbot: take your head off your ass
622464;1397412297;jurov;;;gettrust assbot dignork
622465;1397412298;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask dignork!~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork. Trust relationship from user assbot to user dignork: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=dignork | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dignork | Rated since: Fri Oct 18 12:20:18 2013
622466;1397412309;dignork;i know the drill mircea_popescu, but nobody trusts me enought anyway :)
622467;1397412316;dignork;*enough
622468;1397412389;mircea_popescu;well maybe in time huh.
622469;1397412427;benkay;what do we think about 1's for +v?
622470;1397412466;benkay;obvs not for robwhiz22 etc al but those who appear to be on the right track
622471;1397412489;mircea_popescu;judgement call for teh 29
622472;1397412499;benkay;;;rate dignork 1 #bitcoin-assets +v
622473;1397412500;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dignork has been recorded.
622474;1397412541;benkay;dignork: are you selling btc atm?
622475;1397412588;benkay;;;gettrust assbot dignork
622476;1397412588;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask dignork!~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork. Trust relationship from user assbot to user dignork: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=dignork | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dignork | Rated since: Fri Oct 18 12:20:18 2013
622477;1397412608;mircea_popescu;i dun recall if i linked this
622478;1397412609;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlExt5iCAAAf6jn.png:large
622479;1397412636;jurov;to da moon!
622480;1397412648;benkay;> implying?
622481;1397412674;dignork;benkay, i can sell some small amount, just for kicks, why?
622482;1397412776;pankkake;dignork would have had a trust through me soon anyways
622483;1397412823;mircea_popescu;dignork why so emo srsly ? apparently tons of people were going to trust you enough
622484;1397412914;dignork;i have some trust on otc, but the group in assets does not intersects too much
622485;1397412923;pankkake;bounce: there is --with-colons. I never had to parse actual text content from GPG, exit codes etc. were enough
622486;1397412934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00096684 = 11.6988 BTC [+] {2} 
622487;1397412940;punkman;if you want to gpg with python: https://pythonhosted.org/python-gnupg/
622488;1397412944;pankkake;but the state of python libs is weird… there's like at least three libs and they all suck
622489;1397412948;bounce;sure. mutt doesn't use gpgme either, IIRC
622490;1397412955;only;any tobacco smokers in here? I want a rating as well :)
622491;1397412999;bounce;::rate -1 only unhealthy character
622492;1397413000;mircea_popescu;lol cigs for access ? this sounds like the old time clubs are here :D
622493;1397413047;pankkake;I'm thinking of hoarding tobacco, as a doomsday currency
622494;1397413054;*;bounce isn't too sure python doesn't secretly suck either. then again, might be I'm reading too many naggum links.
622495;1397413060;only;pankkake: good thinking
622496;1397413082;bounce;risky though. one fire and all your currency goes up in smoke.
622497;1397413088;mircea_popescu;pankkake definitely worked that way in the west
622498;1397413091;mircea_popescu;!up toffoo
622499;1397413091;assbot;Voicing toffoo for 30 minutes.
622500;1397413095;only;any brands in mind, pankkake?
622501;1397413106;mircea_popescu;you could just as well buy a wife for 40 leaves
622502;1397413111;benkay;no no bounce
622503;1397413113;benkay;it sucks.
622504;1397413122;benkay;java with less typing is all.
622505;1397413139;pankkake;no, I don't know the first thing about it. my first step would be learn how to store it so that it lasts
622506;1397413143;bounce;there's some cute things you can do with it that're less possible with java
622507;1397413167;only;pankkake: a big ass humidor should suffice
622508;1397413181;mircea_popescu;or a lot of apple slices.
622509;1397413207;mircea_popescu;anyway, there are those who claim old tobacco properly stored is actually better than new.
622510;1397413249;mircea_popescu;!up omen1855
622511;1397413249;assbot;Voicing omen1855 for 30 minutes.
622512;1397413285;benkay;such new folk
622513;1397413285;danielpbarron;neato
622514;1397413319;bounce;so I rewrote that thing from yesterday in python then fixed the calculations: http://pastebin.ca/2695668  apparently this "comprehensions" thing is a bit contagious.
622515;1397413335;*;jurov found some vintage "taras bulba" tobacco from 1960s.. so you say it has some value?
622516;1397413338;only;mircea_popescu: Virginias age wonderfully :)
622517;1397413379;pankkake;I love list comprehensions. I'm sure lispfags will scoff at it though!
622518;1397413392;mircea_popescu;jurov taras bulba or trash vulva ?
622519;1397413473;jurov;lol... it was named after nikolai gogol's novella
622520;1397413503;mircea_popescu;is this the one with the kidnapped underage chick where the author blames the chick ?
622521;1397413574;jurov;i had not read(nor smoke) it wikipedia says nothign about chix
622522;1397413578;fluffypony;[20:24:57]  <xodianbarr> fyi the prypto shares early adopter offering ends tonight.  Tomorrow they will be unavailable and on Tuesday they go on bitcoinbourse.  Anyone purchasing at least 1 share till the deadline gets a private share for every public share purchased and the opportunity of the private share account which gives an insight into dividend profit build up monthly.
622523;1397413601;fluffypony;another bitcoinbourse "asset" is coming
622524;1397413625;bounce;heh. so, you have to buy one sooper sekrit share now or be bereft of the company books forever?
622525;1397413637;jurov;yes, i mentioned it, "bitcoin stickers IPO"
622526;1397413641;jurov;beyond farcical
622527;1397413645;mircea_popescu;jurov i was just pretending gogol's nabokov.
622528;1397413681;mircea_popescu;fluffypony prypto ? srsly ?!
622529;1397413689;fluffypony;https://prypto.com/investment/
622530;1397413690;ozbot;Prypto: Welcome to Prypto
622531;1397413699;mircea_popescu;holy shit!
622532;1397413700;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about-dns-is-entirely-wrong/
622533;1397413701;ozbot;Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely wrong pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu
622534;1397413711;mircea_popescu;yesterday i write, today they apply ?! gotta love these new scammers.
622535;1397413788;pankkake;I thought it was a typo
622536;1397413805;fluffypony;uh, but Google has stated on more than one occasion that exact match domain names are no longer relevant
622537;1397413811;fluffypony;http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2214115/Google-Warns-of-Upcoming-Exact-Match-Domain-Algorithm-Change
622538;1397413835;thestringpuller;;;google REPL
622539;1397413836;gribble;Read–eval–print loop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read%E2%80%93eval%E2%80%93print_loop>; Repl.it: <http://repl.it/>; REPL Node.js v0.10.26 Manual & Documentation: <http://nodejs.org/api/repl.html>
622540;1397413845;thestringpuller;booooo
622541;1397413849;jurov;whut are they gonna use? soundex?
622542;1397413909;mircea_popescu;aproximex
622543;1397414044;*;bounce tries and fails to come up with a funny connecting "africanisation of the west" to the fail that is "black culture" in the US and bright eyed young white pasty silly vally kids
622544;1397414085;mircea_popescu;this should be a play.
622545;1397414092;mircea_popescu;write it and be forever known as bouncespeare
622546;1397414100;mircea_popescu;sorta like shake v2.0. bounce.
622547;1397414151;*;bounce is no good with drama. but hey, n'ver know what the morrow bringeth
622548;1397414199;bounce;maybe should go and look at that onion "white niggah" thing for inspiration
622549;1397414201;fluffypony;can we cast robwhizz22 as court jester?
622550;1397414249;mircea_popescu;bounce to learn a craft, you copy the masters. pick a play, rewrite it for your topic, publish your clumbsy attempt for general ridicule.
622551;1397414271;mircea_popescu;if you've a modicum of culture and read the damned things you stand some chance of at least picking the right one for the purpose.
622552;1397414284;mircea_popescu;in any event, twenty or so years later you may have become mediocre at it.
622553;1397414362;bounce;well, at least I got your unequivocal encouragement
622554;1397414395;mircea_popescu;indeed!
622555;1397414436;dignork;mircea_popescu, DNS article, topic related name might get indexed by search engine in forum links etc, so they might not be a total waste of money
622556;1397414488;mircea_popescu;this is a point, indeed. a minor one, i suspect.
622557;1397414504;fluffypony;dignork
622558;1397414512;fluffypony;most forums nowadays are nofollow links
622559;1397414532;mircea_popescu;!up starsoccer
622560;1397414532;assbot;Voicing starsoccer for 30 minutes.
622561;1397414556;starsoccer;oo thanks mircea_popescu
622562;1397414568;mircea_popescu;yw.
622563;1397414568;starsoccer;just did it via pm but it told me i need to auth
622564;1397414569;starsoccer;;;ident
622565;1397414570;gribble;Nick 'starsoccer', with hostmask 'starsoccer!~starsocce@207.12.89.33', is not identified.
622566;1397414575;starsoccer;guess im not authed
622567;1397414580;starsoccer;;;bcauth starsoccer
622568;1397414580;gribble;Request successful for user starsoccer, hostmask starsoccer!~starsocce@207.12.89.33. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:cbc86176ae8302104f5210cc34dae4fafdcb017ed3a11f33fbb95758
622569;1397414581;mircea_popescu;yes you need to get in the wot and auth.
622570;1397414593;starsoccer;i am, just gribble keeps login me out
622571;1397414595;starsoccer;idk why
622572;1397414613;mircea_popescu;if it doesn't see you it logs yu out
622573;1397414628;starsoccer;well i ussually idle in a few so it always sees me
622574;1397414631;starsoccer;anyways let me auth
622575;1397414673;mircea_popescu;you're on the l2 list, so after you do you can pm assbot !up and it'll permavoice oyu.
622576;1397414692;starsoccer;kk
622577;1397414697;starsoccer;12list?
622578;1397414710;bounce;;;gettrust assbot starsoccer
622579;1397414710;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user starsoccer: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=starsoccer | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=starsoccer | Rated since: Sat May 12 23:07:51 2012
622580;1397414720;dignork;another example then: otc user shilling a service with domain name consisting of "bitcoin" and "insanity", i'll never remember the domain name, but googling these two terms kinda brings me to his site
622581;1397414722;mircea_popescu;!up aadeseye
622582;1397414722;assbot;Voicing aadeseye for 30 minutes.
622583;1397414766;mircea_popescu;dignork the reason you don't remember it is precisely that it had bitcoin in it and your brain spaces it out. i don't remember all the coin* shit either.
622584;1397414800;mircea_popescu;if it was some unique well chosen 5-6-7 char word you prolly would have remembered it.
622585;1397414958;dignork;mircea_popescu, yes, but in this case "google" algo kicks in, and he still gets a customer, so this dns exploits another mind bug , instead of browser autocompletion
622586;1397414986;bounce;two consonants at the start is nice for re-visits, not so much for first looks, typing from a commercial or the decals on a lorry or whatever
622587;1397415051;mircea_popescu;if you're good enough to actually get forum mentions the effect in question is comparatively weak. if you're weak and rely on trying to spam forums it won't likely get you anything anyway. at least in a high level survey sort of mindset. no denying that derping on the internet could turn your 100 bux and 110 hours a week into 1k or w/e, just... who cares about that.
622588;1397415107;bounce;and I have no idea what google is up to now. so if you do site:example.com it'll substitute that as it sees fit? -- getting results out of them is getting fuzzier and fuzzier so that's no surprise, but it is annoying for those cases where I really want this exact search query and not the "properly spelled" one or whatever those US-based barbarians think I should've typed
622589;1397415190;dignork;mircea_popescu, so to exploit both bugs, on par with bitcointicker.co I
622590;1397415199;dignork;I'd register kjwhatver to make it accessible
622591;1397415200;bounce;plenty people care about winning small in the same way that wossname home traders want to feel like a trader much more than making money trading
622592;1397415314;artifexd;;;eauth artifexd
622593;1397415314;gribble;Request successful for user artifexd, hostmask artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xbyydcjdlhnnvhej. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/11D1433947A3327A
622594;1397415343;artifexd;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:aca8c3b4fedadc86aa1bbfe5fe456d92d8526d3b3a40225231aafe17
622595;1397415344;gribble;You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A
622596;1397415362;artifexd;Yay!
622597;1397415370;benkay;!down artifexd
622598;1397415370;assbot;Insufficient rights, benkay.
622599;1397415377;benkay;!up artifexd
622600;1397415377;assbot;Voicing artifexd.
622601;1397415379;artifexd;!down benkay
622602;1397415379;assbot;Insufficient rights, artifexd.
622603;1397415380;benkay;!down artifexd
622604;1397415380;assbot;Insufficient rights, benkay.
622605;1397415392;benkay;boo
622606;1397415408;artifexd;Oooo! Test
622607;1397415410;artifexd;!up artifexd
622608;1397415410;assbot;Really, artifexd?
622609;1397415420;benkay;!up benkay
622610;1397415420;assbot;Really, benkay?
622611;1397415427;benkay;really, assbot.
622612;1397415427;artifexd;Hmm... no self-pwning possible anymore.
622613;1397415433;kakobrekla;benkay cant down artifexd cause he upped himself
622614;1397415442;benkay;yeah gotcha
622615;1397415444;kakobrekla;there is still one bug left :\
622616;1397415456;bounce;only one? oh my.
622617;1397415496;kakobrekla;ok , one that i currently intend to fix
622618;1397415508;artifexd;kakobrekla: What is that bug? For, you know, science.
622619;1397415519;Azelphur;what's the point of the whole +v for 30 minutes thing anyway?
622620;1397415558;benkay;fresh blood?
622621;1397415591;mircea_popescu;bounce sure, no argument.
622622;1397415593;artifexd;The point is to, eventually, increase the signal to noise ratio.
622623;1397415614;artifexd;For now though, hey! New toy!
622624;1397415617;mircea_popescu;problem is 100 hours at minimum wage + your upfront would make more than the "winning in a small way"
622625;1397415625;mircea_popescu;i guess incultured independence is a thing, even so.
622626;1397415634;cgcardona_;i figured forcing people to register w/ their pgp/gpg keys forces some sort of accountability for your actions/words in the room.
622627;1397415642;bounce;call it a hobby and it's win-win all the way
622628;1397415653;Azelphur;I just find it annoying xD
622629;1397415663;danielpbarron;i like it
622630;1397415664;kakobrekla;artifexd telling would spoil all the fun.
622631;1397415680;Azelphur;I haven't bothered to talk much here any more since having to auth up and stuff, especially with the freenode splits recently
622632;1397415709;benkay;;;echo !down gribble
622633;1397415709;gribble;!down gribble
622634;1397415718;Azelphur;lol
622635;1397415728;benkay;hue hue hue
622636;1397415750;kakobrekla;actually Azelphur , stats say you were relatively most active in last week
622637;1397415753;benkay;tbh kakobrekla i thought you'd fixed that one!
622638;1397415753;kakobrekla;http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com
622639;1397415776;kakobrekla;benkay that not a bug that just retards in the playground
622640;1397415776;kakobrekla;:D
622641;1397415795;Azelphur;yea, it's coincidence more than anything else, there's been a few times I've typed stuff in here, had it dropped because of +m and gone to speak elsewhere instead
622642;1397415815;Azelphur;I could understand accountability (no +v if you're not gribbled, or requirement of WoT ratings) but the messaging every 30 minutes is very bizarre.
622643;1397415886;kakobrekla;what?
622644;1397415890;kakobrekla;you !up yourself on pm
622645;1397415894;kakobrekla;you voice in nao permanent
622646;1397415906;kakobrekla;*for the duration of session
622647;1397415923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00096536 = 19.1141 BTC [-] {2} 
622648;1397415930;Azelphur;oh? I'm sure I remember it grumbling about 30 minutes or something, fair enough
622649;1397415934;artifexd;;;gettrust assbot Azelphur
622650;1397415941;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Azelphur: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Azelphur | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Azelphur | Rated since: Mon Apr  9 00:11:58 2012
622651;1397415941;kakobrekla;yeah you can up anyone here for 30 min
622652;1397415948;Azelphur;I see
622653;1397415954;kakobrekla;but you can up yourself if you have wot
622654;1397415964;kakobrekla;then it does not have a timer
622655;1397415987;kakobrekla;and if you up yourself, you can up others, not otherwise
622656;1397416005;Azelphur;fair enough then I suppose, not as bad as I thought, only thing that would be nice is having it automate the entire process :)
622657;1397416018;Anduck;yea
622658;1397416020;kakobrekla;write a script
622659;1397416022;kakobrekla;publish it
622660;1397416036;kakobrekla;take the fame and chicks.
622661;1397416046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00096543 = 12.6954 BTC [+]
622662;1397416051;Anduck;i'll just irc elsewhere when i'm too lazy to do /msg assbot !up
622663;1397416072;kakobrekla;sounds like it does indeed work like it should.
622664;1397416081;Anduck;indeed.
622665;1397416083;starsoccer;;;bcauth starsoccer
622666;1397416083;gribble;Request successful for user starsoccer, hostmask starsoccer!~starsocce@207.12.89.33. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:42ade4b541beb1b9d5cd29f87d0869e645d30e8e914a85a2c3daa82a
622667;1397416094;Anduck;kakobrekla: then again, is that the purpose of this channel
622668;1397416120;ThickAsThieves;"A study in mice shows that trauma might be inherited through altered gene expression in sperm"
622669;1397416140;starsoccer;kk goived
622670;1397416142;starsoccer;kk voiced
622671;1397416146;kakobrekla;if you dont find it worth of typing !up, the content is not worthy of polluting this chan with
622672;1397416157;starsoccer;lol
622673;1397416377;ThickAsThieves;question for you guys, I have someone that never claimed their S.MG PT shares on Havelock
622674;1397416380;ThickAsThieves;now they want them
622675;1397416384;ThickAsThieves;I have them on MPEX
622676;1397416390;ThickAsThieves;but do not run the PT anymore
622677;1397416397;ThickAsThieves;should i tell them to CoinBr? or?
622678;1397416411;ThickAsThieves;offer to sell into bids for them?
622679;1397416489;ThickAsThieves;i guess i could xfer some to HL and get them to coordinate, but then, really it may be easier to just buu them on HL
622680;1397416493;ThickAsThieves;buy*
622681;1397416553;ThickAsThieves;oh lol, theyre way cheaper on HL
622682;1397416555;ThickAsThieves;nvm
622683;1397416594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00096543 = 5.4547 BTC [+]
622684;1397416712;ThickAsThieves;wow HL is slow now huh
622685;1397417021;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2003 @ 0.00008 = 0.1602 BTC [+]
622686;1397417118;ThickAsThieves;ALC has raised 48btc
622687;1397417140;mircea_popescu;!down artifexd
622688;1397417140;assbot;Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu.
622689;1397417146;mircea_popescu;blergh
622690;1397417151;artifexd;Ha!
622691;1397417154;Duffer1;only 11152 short of their goal
622692;1397417179;mircea_popescu;Azelphur you never USED to talk much here, like [\\\]
622693;1397417185;mircea_popescu;but since the new rules you HAVe been talking a lot
622694;1397417190;mircea_popescu;perhaps 10x past week as your prev 2 months
622695;1397417190;Duffer1;it's nice to see recent havelock scams falling flat on their faces
622696;1397417203;mircea_popescu;so it's a case of the newspaper memory hole imo
622697;1397417209;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: hehe, sort of coincidence really, but yea :)
622698;1397417295;Anduck;kakobrekla: too bad but that's a lie
622699;1397417296;Anduck;lol
622700;1397417304;kakobrekla;what is?
622701;1397417307;Anduck;just fancy sounding words
622702;1397417320;Anduck;what you said before your last line
622703;1397417361;kakobrekla;its not a lie if i honestly believe so!
622704;1397417689;ThickAsThieves;http://eater.com/archives/2014/04/11/app-offers-unlimited-coffee-at-independent-nyc-coffee-shops.php  now they just need to accept bitcoin and the dream is real!
622705;1397417727;benkay;at a party last night someone said "all business transactions are fictitious" and apparently my reaction was amusing enough to justify staging a reenactment: http://imgur.com/SdbMdMf
622706;1397417785;mircea_popescu;benkay so apparently you hang out with peopple who believe whatevert they don't understand doesn't really exist
622707;1397417791;mircea_popescu;and then come up with fancy ways to dress that shit up
622708;1397417810;benkay;nobody was serious
622709;1397417816;mircea_popescu;also omfg you & your friends may be the hipsterest people i know
622710;1397417828;benkay;well you're old thats no real surprise
622711;1397417879;ThickAsThieves;didnt people at parties look like that 10 years ago too?
622712;1397417899;ThickAsThieves;is hipsterism basically dressing like it's laundry day?
622713;1397417914;benkay;glorifying being broke?
622714;1397417978;mircea_popescu;i think you may be on to something there.
622715;1397417981;mircea_popescu;both of you
622716;1397417992;bounce;"just look at me being a dork but I get away with it because I'm cooler than thou"
622717;1397418053;bounce;from what little I've seen the dress code is quite amazingly strict, though.
622718;1397418053;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
622719;1397418054;ThickAsThieves;and the reason i'm cooler is because i say so and i want to be
622720;1397418100;ThickAsThieves;and, and because i'm an annoying contrarian
622721;1397418115;ThickAsThieves;sum it up?
622722;1397418117;bounce;plenty places have their own distinct subcultures. japan seems to have fscktons of kinds of hipsters.
622723;1397418132;ThickAsThieves;wouldnt that make them something else?
622724;1397418187;ThickAsThieves;i thought hipsters were dudes with mustaches & suspenders, and girls in wool dresses
622725;1397418194;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves except check this shit out : "clearly this shit works but it's a coincidence because i don't think it should or see why it would"
622726;1397418217;bounce;could try and compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_(1940s_subculture)
622727;1397418243;ThickAsThieves;i like those hipsters better
622728;1397418247;ThickAsThieves;potheads with style
622729;1397418258;ThickAsThieves;oh wait
622730;1397418265;ThickAsThieves;"sarcastic humor, self-imposed poverty and relaxed sexual codes."
622731;1397418267;ThickAsThieves;lol
622732;1397418300;bounce;``During the jive era of the late 1930s and early 1940s, African-Americans began to use the term hip to mean "sophisticated, fashionable and fully up-to-date"'' -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippie_(etymology)
622733;1397418304;mircea_popescu;that hipster sarcasm is the worst fucking cry for help i ever heard.
622734;1397418322;ThickAsThieves;"The words hep and hip are of uncertain origin"
622735;1397418332;ThickAsThieves;hepatitis?
622736;1397418333;mircea_popescu;it's like "please don't kick us out of here, we know we don't belong, can this count as a getoutof kicking ?"
622737;1397418351;ThickAsThieves;it's a disease and everyone wants it!
622738;1397418369;ThickAsThieves;be one of us
622739;1397418424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3732 @ 0.00096536 = 3.6027 BTC [-]
622740;1397418477;*;bounce recalls some discussion about deep purple laughing about a bunch of others because they were so "out of tune with what was happening in londen at the time" -- due to having the wrong haircut
622741;1397418502;mircea_popescu;haircuts for men. definitely important.
622742;1397418508;bounce;it's the small things that mark you part of the pack
622743;1397418568;mircea_popescu;maybe that was neobee's problem
622744;1397418570;bounce;80s, rock, long hair. yeah, haircuts are important.
622745;1397418574;mircea_popescu;denny didn't have the right ceocut.
622746;1397418594;bounce;bit late to try and sell'im that advice for 54 bitcoin
622747;1397418611;bounce;s/80s/70s/ I suppose. n'mind.
622748;1397418632;thestringpuller;�
622749;1397418636;thestringpuller;lol
622750;1397418674;mircea_popescu;hair metal ?
622751;1397418912;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0485 = 0.1455 BTC [-] {2} 
622752;1397418973;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06278234 = 0.1256 BTC [-]
622753;1397419206;asciilifeform;<robwizz22> Just so you know, I am an individual like you - NOT with any organization.  I am not in any way associated with the NSA or other organization.  On the other hand, you seem to be following their M.O. and trying to weaken security.  You are basically simply committing fraud.  What you've designed to date is totally useless and 100 times less secure than not buying any such device at all (i.e. using o
622754;1397419206;asciilifeform;ff
622755;1397419206;asciilifeform;<robwizz22> the shelf usb storage to store a private key and pass phrase).  You are lying about its benefits.  You've come up with something absolutely and utterly useless.  If it's a scam, good job.  I like how you spread FUD about me trying to "introduce heartbleed" (which doesn't make any sense - the Cardano is a USB device) when I pointed this out.  You obviously are smart enough to know that is a simple a
622756;1397419209;asciilifeform;nd
622757;1397419211;asciilifeform;<robwizz22> complete lie, meant to play on people's recognition of the word "heartbleed bug" without knowing what it is.  There is no SSL anywhere within 100 miles of a Cardano, nor did I ever mention it.  You seem to be playing off of your audience's ignorance.  Is this really want you want to be doing with your life?  Selling snake oil? Being a fraud?
622758;1397419216;asciilifeform;<asciilifeform> you started out suggesting wifi and ssl. in the channel. now buzz off.
622759;1397419278;Apocalyptic;more attack vectors, \o/
622760;1397419293;asciilifeform;does sunlight only work against vampires? what does one zap spammers with?
622761;1397419330;benkay;/ignore
622762;1397419341;asciilifeform;benkay: doesn't seem to work for priv msgs.
622763;1397419361;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, it should
622764;1397419378;benkay;asciilifeform: which widget?
622765;1397419381;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude you're incredible. why do you keep posting that stuff ?!
622766;1397419383;bounce;/ignore you MSG  would do it here.
622767;1397419410;Apocalyptic;in Xchat you have to specify a mask followed by ALL if you want to block everything
622768;1397419414;mircea_popescu;i mean the original author sorta managed to get himself excreted, for this reason. what is it, like self loathing ?
622769;1397419435;asciilifeform;ok seems like that worked.
622770;1397419448;benkay;asciilifeform dreams of trolling his 'real' purposes out of him.
622771;1397419450;bounce;http://toxin.jottit.com/xchat_ignore says PRIV NOTI
622772;1397419450;ozbot;toxin: XChat Ignore
622773;1397419468;asciilifeform;benkay: i've given up - the man's a broken record.
622774;1397419502;benkay;well it sounds as though he's progressed to calling /you/ a fraud. that's progress.
622775;1397419512;benkay;fraudgress
622776;1397419526;bounce;"this way to the egress"
622777;1397419550;benkay;wither the egrets though
622778;1397419604;bounce;and then they come back. regrets.
622779;1397419644;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
622780;1397419689;mircea_popescu;lol regrets
622781;1397419747;mircea_popescu;aw shit my monitor's going ;/
622782;1397419752;mircea_popescu;just turned blue
622783;1397419767;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [+]
622784;1397419780;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wiggled the plug?
622785;1397419781;bounce;"es leuchtet blau" -- which for some reason is not nearly as funny in the original
622786;1397419827;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60889999 BTC [+]
622787;1397419882;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i hit it with my fist. it came back on
622788;1397419884;mircea_popescu;but you know...
622789;1397419978;asciilifeform;every nice crt i've ever owned, with or or two exceptions - eventually the raster goes
622790;1397419980;asciilifeform;usually horizontal
622791;1397420054;mircea_popescu;bounce this is the sort with the power inside
622792;1397420070;bounce;and a CRT to boot. you likes dem high voltage, no?
622793;1397420083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58140023 BTC [-]
622794;1397420084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19165 @ 0.00096423 = 18.4795 BTC [-]
622795;1397420144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04808333 = 0.1442 BTC [-] {2} 
622796;1397420145;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03549 = 0.142 BTC [+]
622797;1397420148;bounce;though shouldn't be too heavy on the SMD stuff. ie, reasonably repairable.
622798;1397420165;asciilifeform;bounce: so long as the tube is alive, yes.
622799;1397420190;asciilifeform;somewhere, there probably still lives a man who can re-wind a burned yoke.
622800;1397420190;benkay;so i don't like crypto + aristocrat > cryptocrat
622801;1397420205;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03548999 = 0.1065 BTC [-] {2} 
622802;1397420206;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5940001 BTC [+]
622803;1397420208;asciilifeform;and you can get flybacks still.
622804;1397420246;bounce;or source a large stack of them for parts (and get money to take'em away)
622805;1397420262;benkay;cryptocracy?
622806;1397420266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00096327 = 20.0842 BTC [-] {2} 
622807;1397420268;asciilifeform;one day, a 'virginal' high quality crt will be a mega-luxury. like stradivarius.
622808;1397420290;bounce;buy up the factory for a song
622809;1397420297;benkay;mircea_popescu BingoBoingo bitcoinpete cryptocrats? cryptocracy?
622810;1397420327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5874999 BTC [-]
622811;1397420342;BingoBoingo;benkay: Prolly to early for a label. Wait for some lulzy incedent to reveal the proper term.
622812;1397420361;benkay;buttcoiners i guess in the meantime
622813;1397420389;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03549 = 0.1065 BTC [+]
622814;1397420485;asciilifeform;anyone care to recommend an irc client with whitelisting feature?
622815;1397420511;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [+]
622816;1397420548;benkay;what do you mean by whitelisting, asciilifeform ?
622817;1397420594;asciilifeform;block all priv msgs. other than from whitelist
622818;1397420603;kakobrekla;benkay reverse blacklist :D
622819;1397420617;mircea_popescu;wayt what ?
622820;1397420664;benkay;do it yourself in erc?
622821;1397420710;fluffypony;benkay: didn't El Reg call mircea_popescu the Bitcoin Baron?
622822;1397420729;kakobrekla;a "biton"
622823;1397420735;fluffypony;heh
622824;1397420738;bounce;ircII can do that. /ignore * MSG  /ignore whitelisted ^MSG
622825;1397420740;benkay;the term is "bitlord"
622826;1397420751;fluffypony;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/20/openbsd_bailed_out/
622827;1397420765;fluffypony;"Romanian Bitcoin baron 'stumps up $20k to keep OpenBSD's lights on'"
622828;1397420774;benkay;can't say as i have any intention of taking style cues from linkbait article titles.
622829;1397420786;kakobrekla;fluffypony are you like new or smth?
622830;1397420812;fluffypony;kakobrekla: yes
622831;1397420816;fluffypony;I'm smth
622832;1397421181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04979635 = 0.1992 BTC [+]
622833;1397421182;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034111 = 0.1364 BTC [-]
622834;1397421623;benkay;what fraction of the runup to 1200 can we attribute to the bitlocker virus?
622835;1397421634;benkay;and is it not a thing any more?
622836;1397421732;kakobrekla;haxors got goxxed, back to prepaid cards.
622837;1397421852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24403 @ 0.00096735 = 23.6062 BTC [+] {3} 
622838;1397421913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11097 @ 0.0009687 = 10.7497 BTC [+]
622839;1397422188;asciilifeform;is everyone who does anything even vaguely public bedeviled by spammers?
622840;1397422209;kakobrekla;more or less yea.
622841;1397422232;fluffypony;spammers and/or trolls
622842;1397422591;mircea_popescu;yes.
622843;1397422809;mircea_popescu;anyway, assbot's 29 could be teh bitcoin barons, i see no problem.
622844;1397422830;mircea_popescu;we gotta start small, work our way up to dukery, not like some other douchebaggery, starting with dukes.
622845;1397422836;mircea_popescu;wink wink nudge nudge
622846;1397422867;mircea_popescu;benkay a fraction between 0 and epsilon.
622847;1397422890;BingoBoingo;lol, I was going to say something about it, but figured it would be more interesting to see when someone else brought up the Dukedoms
622848;1397422965;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/AltcoinAce/status/455432343595925504
622849;1397422966;ozbot;Twitter / AltcoinAce: #CAI seeks to build 'first ...
622850;1397422970;mircea_popescu;check it out, another "first"
622851;1397423061;mircea_popescu;i suddenly had this vision of me being like, 75, and reading about this new, biggest, first bitcoin based exchange,
622852;1397423065;mircea_popescu;with options and shit.
622853;1397423349;mircea_popescu;;;rate justusranvier 1 New blood
622854;1397423349;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
622855;1397423355;mircea_popescu;wait what!
622856;1397423378;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0651124 = 0.6511 BTC [+] {2} 
622857;1397423390;mircea_popescu;;;rate justusranvier 1 New blood
622858;1397423392;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user justusranvier has been recorded.
622859;1397423415;mircea_popescu;;;later tell justusranvier to voice yourself in -assets you id with gribble then pm assbot !up
622860;1397423415;gribble;The operation succeeded.
622861;1397423536;mircea_popescu;.d
622862;1397423536;ozbot;6.120 billion | Next Diff in 674 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.3317% in 4d 4h 39m 26s
622863;1397423618;ThickAsThieves;Estimated Next Difficulty:7,131,644,633 (+16.54%)
622864;1397423635;ThickAsThieves;from https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty
622865;1397423646;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i was looking athte 9bn bet. seems a lock.
622866;1397423670;ThickAsThieves;it's getting tough to tell now
622867;1397423692;ThickAsThieves;at some point 15% is a shit ton of hash
622868;1397423714;mircea_popescu;yeah
622869;1397423720;mircea_popescu;that point being right abnout now lol.
622870;1397423773;mircea_popescu;http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ < is it me or is the day of april 12th pretty much giving us the finger ?
622871;1397423775;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets stats
622872;1397423792;ThickAsThieves;you just like seeing boners in in your ta
622873;1397423800;mircea_popescu;also possible.
622874;1397424292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00096876 = 8.7673 BTC [+] {2} 
622875;1397424336;mircea_popescu;;;rate kanzure New blood
622876;1397424336;gribble;Error: 'New' is not a valid integer.
622877;1397424340;mircea_popescu;;;rate kanzure 1 New blood
622878;1397424341;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
622879;1397424344;mircea_popescu;derp.
622880;1397424357;mircea_popescu;kanzure srsly, get in teh wot.
622881;1397424475;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 32 @ 0.00691276 = 0.2212 BTC [-] {4} 
622882;1397424510;mircea_popescu;;;rate tomservo 1 New blood
622883;1397424510;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
622884;1397424516;mircea_popescu;!up garret
622885;1397424516;assbot;Voicing garret for 30 minutes.
622886;1397424545;mircea_popescu;;;later tell TomServo get in wot wouldja ?
622887;1397424546;gribble;The operation succeeded.
622888;1397424570;jurov;ThickAsThieves: if these S.MG peeps can auth with btc address, i can just add them to list at https://coinbr.com/btct/nampt_1
622889;1397424605;jurov;oh i should update prices/dividends
622890;1397424649;mircea_popescu;stop giving the frenchie so much voice, you'll wear it out.
622891;1397424658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.00710883 = 0.1422 BTC [+]
622892;1397424742;davout;the voice system sort of works like this https://xkcd.com/481/
622893;1397424781;mircea_popescu;lol
622894;1397424830;mircea_popescu;btw, you ever seen les veinards ?
622895;1397424837;davout;no
622896;1397424840;mircea_popescu;!up kanzure
622897;1397424840;assbot;Voicing kanzure for 30 minutes.
622898;1397424841;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.58001098 = 2.32 BTC [-] {3} 
622899;1397424849;mircea_popescu;it's my favourite french comedy for today
622900;1397424856;mircea_popescu;!up AltcoinAce
622901;1397424856;assbot;Voicing AltcoinAce for 30 minutes.
622902;1397424868;mircea_popescu;;;topic
622903;1397424868;gribble;http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
622904;1397424882;mircea_popescu;AltcoinAce this is the bitcoin assets channel. these are the people. up there are the logs. have fun!
622905;1397424890;AltcoinAce;interesting
622906;1397424902;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.57819097 = 6.3601 BTC [-] {10} 
622907;1397424921;davout;i'll put it on my list
622908;1397424935;jurov;AltcoinAce you run some altcoin business?
622909;1397424944;AltcoinAce;Im just a trader
622910;1397424946;AltcoinAce;tis all
622911;1397424963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.57500001 = 2.875 BTC [-] {2} 
622912;1397424971;mircea_popescu;mostly for le vison. mireille d'arc / jacqueline monsigny
622913;1397424981;mircea_popescu;AltcoinAce what do you trade ?
622914;1397424998;AltcoinAce;currently focusing on alts and btc
622915;1397425007;AltcoinAce;Im working with some ppl
622916;1397425013;AltcoinAce;and learning before I move up to other stuff
622917;1397425023;AltcoinAce;will be trading forex soon
622918;1397425026;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 114 @ 0.0055646 = 0.6344 BTC [-] {8} 
622919;1397425032;AltcoinAce;but crpyto is a good market to be in right now
622920;1397425039;mircea_popescu;sounds good.
622921;1397425057;AltcoinAce;everyday you can make 10-500% profit
622922;1397425068;AltcoinAce;doesnt happen in most markets haha
622923;1397425207;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1199 @ 0.00015 = 0.1799 BTC [-] {2} 
622924;1397425235;mircea_popescu;!t h hif
622925;1397425235;assbot;[HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00013712 / 0.00014521 / 0.00019348 (3360 shares, 0.48789385 BTC), 7D: 0.00010000 / 0.00024261 / 0.00042000 (30193 shares, 7.32523363 BTC), 30D: 0.00010000 / 0.00032505 / 0.00051299 (74487 shares, 24.21198821 BTC)
622926;1397425394;mircea_popescu;;;rate novusordo  1 New blood
622927;1397425396;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user novusordo has been recorded.
622928;1397425417;mircea_popescu;;;later tell novusordo to voice yourself in assets you id with gribble then pm assbot !up
622929;1397425417;gribble;The operation succeeded.
622930;1397425528;kanzure;mircea_popescu: can you try rating me again pls
622931;1397425556;kanzure;ouch: 14:45 <assbot> You need a better WOT rating. (level 2 with assbot >0)
622932;1397425586;mircea_popescu;;;rate kanzure 1 New blood
622933;1397425588;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kanzure has been recorded.
622934;1397425648;kanzure;exciting
622935;1397425674;jurov;;;rate kanzure 1 i have seen your github
622936;1397425674;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
622937;1397425685;mircea_popescu;!down jurov
622938;1397425685;assbot;mircea_popescu, you can't do that to jurov.
622939;1397425689;mircea_popescu;awww!
622940;1397425694;jurov;lol
622941;1397425712;mircea_popescu;jurov is 4ever alone because assbot cockblocks
622942;1397425746;kanzure;what is the type of unit for the number i provide to the rate command?
622943;1397425758;jurov;;;rate kanzure 1 i have seen your github
622944;1397425759;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kanzure has been recorded.
622945;1397425775;kanzure;eg why 1 instead of 0.1 ?
622946;1397425776;mircea_popescu;kanzure in [-10, 10]
622947;1397425792;jurov;;;rate kanzure 0.000001 i have seen your github
622948;1397425792;gribble;Error: '0.000001' is not a valid integer.
622949;1397425804;kanzure;gribble is a hater
622950;1397425811;mircea_popescu;he's just got his integrity.
622951;1397425818;jurov;you can't have fractional trust or distrust
622952;1397425829;kanzure;so i should read this as '10 trusts'?
622953;1397425840;mircea_popescu;first off, you don't need fractions, you could just as well increase the max for same effect
622954;1397425849;mircea_popescu;second off, 10 levels is plenty. how fine can your brain work ?
622955;1397425857;bounce;pfft. and there I was, wanting to rate 3.1415927. can't doo that. boo!
622956;1397425868;mircea_popescu;so round.
622957;1397425875;jurov;kanzure: you should read the comments, numbers are just numbers
622958;1397425877;mircea_popescu;a 3 is just as good as a pee to a blind bat
622959;1397425951;bounce;then we'll just have to stick to biblical notions of "round", no?
622960;1397425983;jurov;what's biblical notion of round?
622961;1397425985;mircea_popescu;http://37.media.tumblr.com/70aa104a77459cd6d4986f9008307a47/tumblr_mlpy1jO2hV1qcgltko1_500.jpg
622962;1397426042;jurov;oh that was the answer? mkay
622963;1397426090;bounce;1 kings 7 verse 23
622964;1397426122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00096907 = 23.3061 BTC [+] {2} 
622965;1397426316;mircea_popescu;"Amazing: @Chase just cancelled my debit card because a merchant may or may not have been hacked. They didn't call. Won't tell me who."
622966;1397426373;ThickAsThieves;thanks jurov, i'll keep it in mind, it's so few people/shares at this point that I doubt it'll happen much more
622967;1397426466;mircea_popescu;you know this completely blows me away. there's like... 2 assets on hl that didn't lose most of the investor's money, and the total investment in them was... bitcents ?
622968;1397426478;mircea_popescu;meanwhile all sorts of bizarre shit supposedly gets 100s of btc, if not k's.
622969;1397426482;mircea_popescu;it just dun compute this.
622970;1397426540;ThickAsThieves;as suspected in the past, they may be satsisfying an urge to gamble, not invest
622971;1397426545;mircea_popescu;!up Tiraspol
622972;1397426545;assbot;Voicing Tiraspol for 30 minutes.
622973;1397426569;Tiraspol;O_o
622974;1397426611;mircea_popescu;nice name :p
622975;1397426735;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455466740181655552 << stacy herbert :D
622976;1397426735;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: How's your Aurora scamcoin ...
622977;1397426772;kakobrekla;she was behind aurora?
622978;1397426794;mircea_popescu;she works for max keiser. they were pumping it together.
622979;1397426809;mircea_popescu;it's not clear if they actually owned it or just shill for pay, but after all what the hell's the difference.
622980;1397426905;kakobrekla;aha
622981;1397427030;ThickAsThieves;maxcoin is now below novacoin in market cap
622982;1397427036;ThickAsThieves;"market cap"
622983;1397427050;ThickAsThieves;AUR just below it
622984;1397427077;mircea_popescu;such success. much well done.
622985;1397427084;ThickAsThieves;meanwhile doge sitting at $27m
622986;1397427119;mircea_popescu;sure, just as long as the scammers pushing it own 99.99% of it all.
622987;1397427123;ThickAsThieves;Altcoin still not on the list
622988;1397427129;mircea_popescu;and should anyone sell and it drop another 50%, why, they'll just hardfork it again
622989;1397427130;asciilifeform;http://bindshell.nl/epixoip/cloudflare_key.png
622990;1397427170;asciilifeform;from:
622991;1397427171;asciilifeform;https://gist.github.com/silky/10577464
622992;1397427171;ozbot;cloudflare_challenge
622993;1397427221;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tweeted it :D
622994;1397427235;asciilifeform;a bit stale news, sorry. but i think it notable.
622995;1397427241;mircea_popescu;i like teh pic.
622996;1397427345;asciilifeform;wonder if i'm the only one who automatically thought 'diversion' when the heartbleed crap came out.
622997;1397427362;mircea_popescu;moar like warning shot.
622998;1397427369;asciilifeform;as if there is such a thing as a kitchen with exactly one roach.
622999;1397427389;mircea_popescu;or you meant of cloudflare's reaction ?
623000;1397427403;asciilifeform;nah, of the 'bug' being made public, with catchy name & logo.
623001;1397427432;mircea_popescu;if you're going to humiliate, might as well humiliate in detail.
623002;1397427442;joecool;!up
623003;1397427442;assbot;Need a nickname, joecool.
623004;1397427453;mircea_popescu;!up urmom
623005;1397427453;assbot;Voicing urmom for 30 minutes.
623006;1397427571;asciilifeform;shadow führer decides that a certain pwnhole has outlived its useful life, decides to create a 'dangle' (i believe this is the english technical term for '�лив')
623007;1397427622;mircea_popescu;the problem with the shadow fuhrer is that he couldn't conceivably find a reason to be bothered with actual holes.
623008;1397427633;mircea_popescu;he'd be much happier in the realm of shadow-holes.
623009;1397427675;mod6;kakobrekla: do you run blockr.io?
623010;1397427681;asciilifeform;the purpose of 'hearbleed' et al isn't traffic intercept. (why intercept when you have root on the 'cloud' crapfarms?)
623011;1397427685;kakobrekla;mod6 no
623012;1397427691;mod6;ok
623013;1397427695;asciilifeform;it's to 'bake terrorists'
623014;1397427707;asciilifeform;create/modify arbitrary turds in mid-flight.
623015;1397427708;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform think strategically. 1. "you didn't know we knew, did you ? fail" vs 2. "you didn't know we knew, did you ? OR that a website was all ready to go. just how fucking inept are you, can't find a website, srsly ?"
623016;1397427711;mircea_popescu;2 is much better.
623017;1397427727;mircea_popescu;mod6 iirc kakobrekla knew the people running it
623018;1397427738;kakobrekla;knows
623019;1397427752;mircea_popescu;kako knoes
623020;1397427767;bounce;baking is terrism now?
623021;1397427776;asciilifeform;;;google new york death ray plot
623022;1397427777;gribble;Assassination threats against Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_threats_against_Barack_Obama>; Man Pleads Guilty in Plot to Build Mobile Death Ray | Global ...: <http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/man-pleads-guilty-plot-build-mobile-death-ray/>; New York men arrested for building death ray machine in plot to kill ...: (1 more message)
623023;1397427791;mircea_popescu;jhahahaha what
623024;1397427791;asciilifeform;classic product of the bakery.
623025;1397427793;mod6;ahh, im gonna write to them. my atc bot sends up http requests to get some json back so we can do things like: last_block, diff, etc.  but from time to time, my host/ip seems to get tar-pitted. even for a low threshold.
623026;1397427810;mircea_popescu;"In 2013, two men from upstate New York were arrested after building a radioactive "death ray" device and plotting to use it against Muslims"
623027;1397427812;mod6;Wonder if they would white-list me to a higher threshold for coins.
623028;1397427817;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is a radioactive death ray.
623029;1397427828;asciilifeform;s/building/buying from insistent fbi stoolies
623030;1397427829;mircea_popescu;is it like bottled pedophilia racism carbon ?
623031;1397427856;bounce;not some shrewd 20something with a datafeed brokerage yet?
623032;1397427877;bounce;and get paid by both sides, why not
623033;1397427891;asciilifeform;a gaggle of idiots was prodded, by american police, into paying to have a (physically wildly implausible) x-ray cannon 'built'
623034;1397427943;asciilifeform;and before that, a steady stream of morons who paid for (fake) 'sterela' units
623035;1397427943;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is there any proof whatsoever this charade included anything other/different from the soviet wrecker "confessions" ?
623036;1397427955;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not afaik.
623037;1397427957;bounce;the us "justice" system appears to be a, waht was it, chumpatron with press gangs
623038;1397427966;bounce;s/waht/what/
623039;1397427974;asciilifeform;*strela
623040;1397427990;mircea_popescu;bounce not yet. whole shebang build to make him possible since at least 2012, yet he's not here yet.
623041;1397428013;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00013181 = 0.1977 BTC [-] {7} 
623042;1397428014;mircea_popescu;all sorts of fake-shrewd 20yo morons however, humping the "first best largest" delusion humptrain
623043;1397428027;mircea_popescu;from atop, it's kinda fascinating/shocking just how moronic people are.
623044;1397428038;asciilifeform;the 'a) wanna buy strela? b) fuck off c) really, dontcha? b) ok sure c) off to jail' thing has been going so long that it doesn't even make national news every time now.
623045;1397428048;bounce;hm. maybe I should try and fake this 20something for a bit then.
623046;1397428050;mircea_popescu;da fuck is strela
623047;1397428060;asciilifeform;;;google strela rocket
623048;1397428061;gribble;Strela (rocket) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strela_(rocket)>; Strela 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strela_2>; Russian Strela rocket launches Kondor satellite | NASASpaceFlight ...: <http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/06/strela-rocket-launch-kondor-e/>
623049;1397428067;mircea_popescu;uh why do they want a rocket ?
623050;1397428082;mircea_popescu;bounce easier for you to fake being 20 than for bona fide 20yos to fake having a brain
623051;1397428084;asciilifeform;devil only knows
623052;1397428106;asciilifeform;;;google strela manpad
623053;1397428106;gribble;Strela 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strela_2>; Man-portable air-defense systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-portable_air-defense_systems>; SA-7 GRAIL (9K32M Strela-2): <http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/sa-7.htm>
623054;1397428109;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are they also going to launch it from their asshole, like fireworks ?
623055;1397428110;asciilifeform;that one.
623056;1397428111;bounce;oh lookit, a stealth compliment. still, looks like work. where's me overalls?
623057;1397428118;asciilifeform;not the fat rocket. the thin one.
623058;1397428127;mircea_popescu;even so
623059;1397428131;asciilifeform;comes with tube.
623060;1397428136;mircea_popescu;wasn't it a 3 month training course to be cleared with those ?
623061;1397428140;asciilifeform;analogous to american 'stinger'
623062;1397428148;mircea_popescu;not that analoguous
623063;1397428149;bounce;this one then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strela_2
623064;1397428161;asciilifeform;that one.
623065;1397428181;bounce;strela 1: big fat rocket. strela 2: weight watchers "rocket"
623066;1397428207;mircea_popescu;widely exported, and perhaps the #1 cause of friendly fire casualties in "unorganised" conflcits
623067;1397428247;asciilifeform;yeah, ir sensor doesn't care who the tailpipe it flies into belongs to.
623068;1397428271;bounce;not the antitank thingy with the big head?
623069;1397428276;mircea_popescu;aren't these a bitch to properly discharge, have to handle the tube as itlaunches ?
623070;1397428295;mircea_popescu;bounce this is an surface-to-air thing
623071;1397428319;asciilifeform;if they sold faux 'stingers,' not even the dumbest 'candidate' would believe.
623072;1397428383;asciilifeform;re: 'wreckers' - correct. since the entire raison d'etre of the u.s. security apparatus is now 'terrorism' - well, the fireman, absent a fire, buys a box of matches.
623073;1397428465;asciilifeform;the reason to bring this crapfest up - u.s. 'intelligence' apparatus has a number of purposes quite apart, and difficult to confuse for, intelligence.
623074;1397428496;asciilifeform;(and 'sawing apart' the public purse isn't the only such)
623075;1397428547;mircea_popescu;i entirely fail to see how "combing upstate ny for hilbillies inept enough to imagine they can fire magic death upon random targets" is in any sense the business of intel.
623076;1397428571;mircea_popescu;more importantly, any intelligent people remaining have a lot of trouble continuing to do anything worthwhile in such an environment.
623077;1397428586;asciilifeform;it's the business of traditional goons, e.g. fbi. intel is 'classy.' rather create a sinner by injecting packets.
623078;1397428593;mircea_popescu;imagine a start-up where the entire office did nothing but play minigolf all day.
623079;1397428600;asciilifeform;not to plant evidence for any court, of course. for the consumption of... fellow 'intel' folks.
623080;1397428621;asciilifeform;start-up where the entire office did nothing but play minigolf << that's the sv norm, no?
623081;1397428664;mircea_popescu;these days i guess.
623082;1397428676;mircea_popescu;!up punkman
623083;1397428676;assbot;Voicing punkman for 30 minutes.
623084;1397428691;mircea_popescu;;;rate punkman 1 New blood
623085;1397428692;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded.
623086;1397428706;asciilifeform;'sheikh khalid goatfuckeiman encodes instructions for mujaheddeen in his sheep porn gifs.' - 'unfortunately, he doesn't. sometimes a sheep is only a sheep.' - 'let's see what we can do.'
623087;1397428758;asciilifeform;year later, drone strike, medals.
623088;1397428822;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla 137 : 92.
623089;1397428826;mircea_popescu;mwahahaha
623090;1397428849;asciilifeform;this is actually a very tame hypothesis. intel agencies traditionally plant dangles for their colleagues of other (not necessarily unfriendly) kingdoms. and, given the u.s. being a fractured empire, why not dangles for... their fellows.
623091;1397428876;mircea_popescu;that's for a long time been the lol of alltime.
623092;1397428888;mircea_popescu;there was a secret special dept in teh fsb dedicated to exactly this.
623093;1397428892;asciilifeform;sure was.
623094;1397428894;mircea_popescu;help state fight defense and so forth
623095;1397428903;asciilifeform;anyone remember the '20% of all gifs contain stego' newsbit?
623096;1397428905;asciilifeform;ages ago.
623097;1397428957;asciilifeform;can't say that i personally tested.
623098;1397428977;asciilifeform;but, if fact, the above would be a parsimonious explanation.
623099;1397429012;asciilifeform;ye read it here phurst (tm).
623100;1397429046;mircea_popescu;how would you test such a thing.
623101;1397429058;mircea_popescu;"20% of everything women says includes subtext"
623102;1397429060;mircea_popescu;well... gl ?
623103;1397429060;asciilifeform;almost by definition, you can only 'test' for piss-poor stego.
623104;1397429063;mircea_popescu;!up veeminer
623105;1397429063;assbot;Voicing veeminer for 30 minutes.
623106;1397429082;asciilifeform;simplest scheme - straight payload in low bits of colour channels.
623107;1397429096;mircea_popescu;!up ishauli
623108;1397429096;assbot;Voicing ishauli for 30 minutes.
623109;1397429098;asciilifeform;extract, test for known file headers
623110;1397429116;mircea_popescu;----BEGIN
623111;1397429117;mircea_popescu;etc
623112;1397429158;mircea_popescu;incidentally : gpg armored lends itself splendidly to stego : the payload byte is only a few bits
623113;1397429204;asciilifeform;stego that doesn't 'scream stego' is a whole art.
623114;1397429243;asciilifeform;the only purpose of 'encode obvious payload in low colour bits' is as a university class demo. and for planting.
623115;1397429316;asciilifeform;then again, the folks who (see mp's essay) reinvented caesar's cipher might well use it.
623116;1397429325;asciilifeform;or we shall be told that they do.
623117;1397429355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3134 @ 0.00096745 = 3.032 BTC [-]
623118;1397429883;asciilifeform;http://www.woodmann.com/fravia/stego.htm
623119;1397429887;asciilifeform;(good intro to subject)
623120;1397429922;bounce;for some reason I can never actually read much of fravia.
623121;1397429925;asciilifeform;(don't bother writing to herr fravia re: stego or his famous cracking tutorials. he's dead.)
623122;1397429958;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu 92 ??
623123;1397429962;kakobrekla;you mean 123
623124;1397430003;kakobrekla;if i was a whore id be at 200+
623125;1397430228;kakobrekla;now im just an idiot.
623126;1397430636;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00074988 = 0.15 BTC [-]
623127;1397430697;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 306 @ 0.00074988 = 0.2295 BTC [-] {2} 
623128;1397430758;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00078 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2} 
623129;1397430941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00096537 = 21.2381 BTC [-]
623130;1397431025;mircea_popescu;lol
623131;1397431191;mircea_popescu;i was on the sent tab for some reason
623132;1397431648;jurov;http://hugelolcdn.com/i/264763.gif
623133;1397431856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16756 @ 0.00096326 = 16.1404 BTC [-] {3} 
623134;1397432309;mircea_popescu;!up Visitor_
623135;1397432309;assbot;Voicing Visitor_ for 30 minutes.
623136;1397432527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6694 @ 0.00096109 = 6.4335 BTC [-]
623137;1397432832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00096745 = 23.7993 BTC [+]
623138;1397433076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20680 @ 0.00096916 = 20.0422 BTC [+] {2} 
623139;1397433095;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/
623140;1397433096;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day
623141;1397433103;mircea_popescu;2 months away is like... 4-5 periods
623142;1397433104;mircea_popescu;.d
623143;1397433104;ozbot;6.120 billion | Next Diff in 663 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.7849% in 4d 3h 38m 22s
623144;1397433128;Apocalyptic;dat diff
623145;1397433137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10904 @ 0.00096987 = 10.5755 BTC [+]
623146;1397433143;mircea_popescu;;;calc 14/6.12
623147;1397433143;gribble;2.28758169935
623148;1397433151;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1.23**4
623149;1397433151;gribble;2.28886641
623150;1397433164;mircea_popescu;basically needs 23% each time. this ain't happening.
623151;1397433246;cgcardona_;the difficulty is freaking exploding.
623152;1397433293;cgcardona_;no connection to the price. all based on speculation of the future value of a coin right?
623153;1397433300;mircea_popescu;Resolution: in 3 months 2 days. that's more like 6 periods actually.
623154;1397433310;kakobrekla;cgcardona_ no, all based on preorders
623155;1397433317;cgcardona_;kakobrekla: ah, good point
623156;1397433324;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ not really. the relatively high pricing of the usd is based on (baseless) speculation of its future value.
623157;1397433368;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1.194**6
623158;1397433368;gribble;2.89751678698
623159;1397433378;mircea_popescu;still 19% seems a push.
623160;1397433381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00096578 = 2.1247 BTC [-]
623161;1397433491;mircea_popescu;!up JorgePasada
623162;1397433491;assbot;Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.
623163;1397433506;JorgePasada;Heyo :-)
623164;1397433514;JorgePasada;Thanks for the voice
623165;1397433553;mircea_popescu;sure.
623166;1397433585;cgcardona_;this is the only room i've been in where voice actually means something.
623167;1397433594;cgcardona_;usually its the "i'm kinda in the club" flag
623168;1397433600;cgcardona_;imo
623169;1397433604;mircea_popescu;interesting
623170;1397433610;JorgePasada;:-)
623171;1397433611;mircea_popescu;kinda the same here no ?
623172;1397433627;mircea_popescu;JorgePasada i guess now you gotta bug benkay to rate you
623173;1397433635;JorgePasada;That reminds me, we should have a euro version of the ATM prototyped within 3 weeks
623174;1397433643;JorgePasada;bill acceptor is different so we need a diff case
623175;1397433657;cgcardona_;the way I view it here is (per trilema) this is a room for professionals. we tie our identity to our gpg keys so there's accountability. Granted I've only been in the room a week so what do I know?
623176;1397433662;mircea_popescu;eh what the hey.
623177;1397433673;mircea_popescu;;;rate JorgePasada 1 New blood.
623178;1397433674;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
623179;1397433682;mircea_popescu;tsk. get in the wot will you.
623180;1397433689;cgcardona_;my point exactly ^
623181;1397433701;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ but technically it's like... "i'm in the club", as in, "i am a barber"
623182;1397433705;mircea_popescu;or w/e, "a barrister"
623183;1397433728;cgcardona_;as in 'this room isn't a room where anyone can talk about shoes. it's a room where shoe makers can talk about anything.' ?
623184;1397433752;kakobrekla;just dont mention purses.
623185;1397433756;cgcardona_;ha
623186;1397433762;cgcardona_;#purses-assets
623187;1397433770;mircea_popescu;lol
623188;1397433809;mircea_popescu;the bitcoin pourse ?
623189;1397433815;mircea_popescu;no wait. the pitcoin pourse
623190;1397433971;artifexd;<mircea_popescu> kakobrekla 137 : 92 << What's that about?
623191;1397433986;kakobrekla;AND ITS NOT 92
623192;1397433992;kakobrekla;dammit.
623193;1397434038;artifexd;Ok. Still... what is it about?
623194;1397434114;kakobrekla;im not telling until the result of the equation is less than 1
623195;1397434298;artifexd;Ah. WOT rating total. Current would be 137:123
623196;1397434348;kakobrekla;:D
623197;1397434386;artifexd;;;rate kakobrekla 1 Runs assbot
623198;1397434386;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
623199;1397434436;artifexd;;;rate kakobrekla 1 Runs assbot
623200;1397434437;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
623201;1397434457;artifexd;137:124
623202;1397434465;kakobrekla;awww, ty. 13 to go.
623203;1397434472;kakobrekla;lemme grab two socks real quick.
623204;1397434662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00096987 = 6.4011 BTC [+]
623205;1397435433;mircea_popescu;artifexd we've had this thing going for ... 2 years now ?
623206;1397435435;mircea_popescu;and moar like 139:124. mwahahaha
623207;1397436470;asciilifeform;from the freakshow:
623208;1397436471;asciilifeform;http://arno1251.livejournal.com/301421.html
623209;1397436488;asciilifeform;(in all major languages!)
623210;1397436492;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06281638 = 1.0051 BTC [-] {5} 
623211;1397436894;BingoBoingo;Update on the Emperor's Clothing racket http://oglaf.com/sextiles/
623212;1397437199;thestringpuller;;;seen mod6
623213;1397437199;gribble;mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 36 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <mod6> Wonder if they would white-list me to a higher threshold for coins.
623214;1397437219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5752001 BTC [+]
623215;1397437402;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15884 @ 0.00011316 = 1.7974 BTC [-] {41} 
623216;1397437463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6548 @ 0.00096578 = 6.3239 BTC [-]
623217;1397437463;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4116 @ 0.00012309 = 0.5066 BTC [+] {4} 
623218;1397437524;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1468 @ 0.00012251 = 0.1798 BTC [-] {2} 
623219;1397437525;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 43 @ 0.05026895 = 2.1616 BTC [+] {7} 
623220;1397437585;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.035 = 0.21 BTC [+]
623221;1397437646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3532 @ 0.0001138 = 0.4019 BTC [-] {3} 
623222;1397437647;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05071427 = 0.355 BTC [+] {4} 
623223;1397437768;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05158326 = 0.3095 BTC [+] {4} 
623224;1397437774;thestringpuller;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22t5se/bitcoin_as_a_store_of_value_for_exactly_one_year/
623225;1397438622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00096047 = 9.5087 BTC [-] {2} 
623226;1397439915;cgcardona_;This chart blew my mind http://imgur.com/78Rz5KL
623227;1397439927;cgcardona_;the network effect of finance
623228;1397440330;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57999993 = 1.74 BTC [+] {2} 
623229;1397441165;kakobrekla;http://i.imgur.com/zprtjRx.jpg
623230;1397441315;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5910001 BTC [+]
623231;1397441497;TestingUnoDosTre;^isn't that a joke
623232;1397441566;TestingUnoDosTre;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeYau6jH1eE this guy can make a living doing terrorist jokes, but when a little white girl does something retarded like sending a tweet claiming to be some foreigner the FBI gets involved
623233;1397441567;ozbot;Jeff Dunham-Achmed The Dead Terroist - YouTube
623234;1397441592;kakobrekla;nah fuck the fbi, its her reaction.
623235;1397441733;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ seems more like a fitted graph than anything. where did they get the n ?
623236;1397441766;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla lol
623237;1397441794;cgcardona_;not sure where they got the data honestly. need to research deeper.
623238;1397441810;cgcardona_;the first time I saw it I thought it was fake because it fit so well.
623239;1397441824;cgcardona_;i'll see if I can dig up the reddit thread
623240;1397441857;TestingUnoDosTre;Actually, she is a huge Bieber fan, lock her in solitary and the world will be a better place
623241;1397441891;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455530340682330112 :D
623242;1397441899;cgcardona_;i think it's funny how you can see the large dip in the green line which is the green line. I'm wondering if that is just bad data or there really were just that many fewer addresses used those days
623243;1397441919;cgcardona_;*green line which is the green line* <----huh?
623244;1397441936;cgcardona_;*which is the unique addresses used per day
623245;1397441954;kakobrekla;i dunno mp just dont take my ip, i got just this one.
623246;1397441993;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ actually they're using every trick in the book. most any two natural curves will look "fitted" in a log 10 graph
623247;1397442053;mircea_popescu;i would say upon examination this is exactly typical of the reddit mental process. very circular, very brandy futility.
623248;1397442062;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/#footnote_0_53902 << i'll send you cookies :P lol
623249;1397442083;mircea_popescu;lol
623250;1397442127;cgcardona_;yes I'm glad I found this room MP. the bitcoin forum is the bottom of the barrel and reddit is mostly memes and flamewars as well. (though don't ge me wrong. I enjoy a good meme and/or flamewar)
623251;1397442143;cgcardona_;*don't get me wrong
623252;1397442145;mircea_popescu;me either, but neither are science.
623253;1397442208;mircea_popescu;just for your own education, take two random things, such i dunno... sin(x) and cos(x) then draw them on a log graph. see how splendidly they fit
623254;1397442209;cgcardona_;it's funny how IRC is **still** the best social network (forgive the term)
623255;1397442230;cgcardona_;it's been the best place for me to interact in real time for years
623256;1397442232;mircea_popescu;and i mean if those two fit... then there's no fucking hope anymore.
623257;1397442291;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0178997 = 0.1253 BTC [+] {2} 
623258;1397442310;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre true story : i was in the bank the other day, and they had these timberlake concert fliers. i picked one up and told my pa "doesn't this guy look just like a waiter ?". he did, dressed all up for the job, too.
623259;1397442319;mircea_popescu;the bank clerk was all excited "oh, you're going ? i'm going too!"
623260;1397442324;thestringpuller;22:23 <+cgcardona_> it's funny how IRC is **still** the best social network (forgive the term)i miss BBS; it got phased out when I was just a little one
623261;1397442335;TestingUnoDosTre;hahaha
623262;1397442348;cgcardona_;was hitting some bbs from telnet recently. it was a trip
623263;1397442352;cgcardona_;the ascii art is off the hook
623264;1397442372;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller fucking phones tho. it took forever.
623265;1397442374;cgcardona_;there's still quite a few boards out there.
623266;1397442374;mircea_popescu;im impatient
623267;1397442400;TestingUnoDosTre;MP, what was that cloudflare twit about?
623268;1397442417;joecool;probably the private key extraction challenge
623269;1397442420;mircea_popescu;http://media.ticketmaster.com/dbimages/142121a.jpg
623270;1397442421;TestingUnoDosTre;why were you talking about govt sponsored antisec stuff
623271;1397442426;mircea_popescu;this shit. doesn't he look just like the maitre d' ?
623272;1397442442;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre because it is my considered opinion that that's what cloudflare is.
623273;1397442443;cgcardona_;classic.
623274;1397442451;TestingUnoDosTre;oooo gotcha
623275;1397442460;joecool;should get his number, call to make a reservation
623276;1397442470;mircea_popescu;by now they're on tap as a "free trial" on every budged webhoster out there. gimme a break.
623277;1397442472;cgcardona_;now I'm picturing sean parker as the maitre d'.
623278;1397442498;mircea_popescu;loose tie'd never work
623279;1397442722;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/803/bitpay-will-succeed-before-q2-2015/#c2773 this shit's pretty fucking instructive.
623280;1397442726;ozbot;BitBet - BitPay will succeed before Q2 2015
623281;1397442736;mircea_popescu;look art that list. not a single fucking "company" in there does anything.
623282;1397442742;mircea_popescu;and these are the "successes".
623283;1397442755;mircea_popescu;Xobni ?!
623284;1397442825;mircea_popescu;280 North ?!
623285;1397442828;mircea_popescu;i mean holy shit.
623286;1397442873;mircea_popescu;Mailgun. "Mailgun is a set of powerful APIs that allow you to send, receive and track email effortlessly."
623287;1397442876;cgcardona_;omgpop
623288;1397442892;cgcardona_;what about heroku?
623289;1397442899;cgcardona_;they're pretty cool IMO.
623290;1397442932;mircea_popescu;i guess, but let alone cool, let's talk money.
623291;1397442942;mircea_popescu;would you pay $100 for anything they do ?
623292;1397442949;cgcardona_;sure. they sold for over $200 mil to salesforce
623293;1397442954;cgcardona_;i pay them about $40 a month
623294;1397442956;cgcardona_;so yea
623295;1397442958;mircea_popescu;you do ?
623296;1397442970;cgcardona_;i have projects on heroku yea. i'm a rails dev for part of my job
623297;1397442975;mircea_popescu;i guess i'm just hopelessly antiquated
623298;1397442977;cgcardona_;for the ssl endpoints I pay
623299;1397442981;cgcardona_;haha
623300;1397442983;cgcardona_;says the bitlord
623301;1397442985;*;cgcardona_ bows
623302;1397443002;cgcardona_;i doubt your antiquated
623303;1397443002;mircea_popescu;rails is like... o god. i think only php is moar hated than rails here
623304;1397443006;cgcardona_;haha
623305;1397443008;*;cgcardona_ ducks
623306;1397443018;mircea_popescu;lemme see maybe i have a link
623307;1397443101;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2013#426056
623308;1397443103;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
623309;1397443120;cgcardona_;ouch
623310;1397443174;joecool;ruby on rails, it's the hipster way™
623311;1397443175;mircea_popescu;well we had bad experiences. in bitcoin i mean. there was that atrocious hole last year, pretty much put bitcoin-central on its ass.
623312;1397443200;mircea_popescu;then there's vircurex, tho that's probably a case of pebkac
623313;1397443220;mircea_popescu;but w/e, heroku, has a paas platform people use.
623314;1397443225;mircea_popescu;how about all the other 60 shits in that list!
623315;1397443230;TestingUnoDosTre;I'm thinking of making a bet along the lines of  "bitstamp will issue a news statement that they are freezing bitcoin withdraws in the next 3 months." Thoughts, comments?
623316;1397443261;mircea_popescu;Gantto. Gantto is a web based planning application. Users can collaborate in real-time to create and edit Gantt charts.
623317;1397443262;mircea_popescu;really ?
623318;1397443267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7109 @ 0.00095977 = 6.823 BTC [-]
623319;1397443275;cgcardona_;lol. fucking classic
623320;1397443280;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre um... a la mtgox ?
623321;1397443291;cgcardona_;"it's a social network of Gantt charts!" "fund em"
623322;1397443312;mircea_popescu;this reminds me of costanza's investment.
623323;1397443319;cgcardona_;and paul graham retired so the new dude can scale it 10X
623324;1397443323;cgcardona_;think of the good times ahead
623325;1397443325;mircea_popescu;http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-05.shtml
623326;1397443326;ozbot;Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 05-The Stock Tip
623327;1397443333;mircea_popescu;GEORGE: It’s called Sendrax. They’ve got some new kind of technique for televising opera.
623328;1397443333;mircea_popescu;ELAINE: Televising opera?
623329;1397443334;mircea_popescu;GEORGE: Some sort of electronic thingy.
623330;1397443341;joecool;hmm whatever happened to tradehill
623331;1397443358;TestingUnoDosTre;Not necessarily exactly mt gox style, but that would be included. Something like this would be included as well https://www.bitstamp.net/article/update-regarding-openssl-vulnerability/
623332;1397443372;mircea_popescu;joecool kenna tried to relaunch, the girl told him where to stick it, he wasn't heard from since ?
623333;1397443411;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre idjits srsly. 2fa would have done exactly nothing./
623334;1397443459;TestingUnoDosTre;Wait, why is that?
623335;1397443462;mircea_popescu;Cardpool. "Cardpool makes it ridiculously easy to buy and sell pre-owned gift cards. Customers can buy gift cards for up to 35% off or sell unwanted gift cards for cash ."
623336;1397443480;joecool;i assumed they gave up running an exchange and were focusing on trying to sell a plaform to someone else
623337;1397443483;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre because the server bleeds memory, in principle you can decrypt their 2fa challenge as well as anything else.
623338;1397443503;mircea_popescu;joecool i heard the same thing but notrly substantiated.
623339;1397443537;TestingUnoDosTre;ahhhh
623340;1397443549;mircea_popescu;The Fridge. "The Fridge is a platform for lightweight single serving social networks for the functionality of Facebook without being on Facebook."
623341;1397443558;cgcardona_;MP - this is the new dude who took over ycombinator and his new request for submissions post http://blog.samaltman.com/new-rfs-breakthrough-technologies
623342;1397443566;mircea_popescu;i reiterate. the above was... a success ?
623343;1397443569;cgcardona_;hopefully the quality of YC companies will improve
623344;1397443575;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ it can not.
623345;1397443584;cgcardona_;perma-broke?
623346;1397443586;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "Deliberately and quite maliciously tried to meld the BleedingHeart openssl vulnerability into the Bitcoin code." << you're referring to the 2FA they wanted to put in awhile back?
623347;1397443590;cgcardona_;borked
623348;1397443665;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ things degrade naturally, the same vicious circle as exhibited by used car markets that lemon laws try to fix : any seller with above-average value is disincentivised from participating.
623349;1397443697;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller no. to the pki they tried toi get in "for verifying merchant's addresses" in spite of... everyone's objections.
623350;1397443726;mircea_popescu;Munch On Me. "Munch On Me is a food discovery portal that connects people with great food at great prices in local communities."
623351;1397443748;mircea_popescu;dude fucking hell. if it were, call girl services, so you can eat your powerlunch on a naked arts major, it'd have made more sense.
623352;1397443782;mircea_popescu;VoiceGem. "Voicegem is the easiest way to send a voice message to anyone."
623353;1397443790;mircea_popescu;apparently... phones are an app now.
623354;1397443808;mircea_popescu;SocialCam. "Socialcam is the easiest way to share video with your friends and on social networks."
623355;1397443827;mircea_popescu;like you know... all the functionality of being on chatroulette without being on chatroulette.
623356;1397443832;mircea_popescu;or in other words... penis.
623357;1397443839;cgcardona_;": dude fucking hell. if it were, call girl services, so you can eat your powerlunch on a naked arts major, it'd have made more sense." <-- epic
623358;1397443847;cgcardona_;that's a kickstarter I'd fund ^
623359;1397443887;artifexd;For science, here is cos(x) graphed against sin(x) on a log10 scale: http://i.imgur.com/IFbIx3C.png
623360;1397443888;mircea_popescu;"munch on me, munch off me, either way lunch is on me!"
623361;1397443888;cgcardona_;yea when YC last year offered to fund people w/ no ideas the shark was officially jumped
623362;1397443891;mircea_popescu;there, we have a logo
623363;1397443895;cgcardona_;haha nice
623364;1397443904;artifexd;I guess if you shift it, it could fit.
623365;1397443940;cgcardona_;;;rate artifexd 1 for science
623366;1397443942;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user artifexd has been recorded.
623367;1397443946;cgcardona_;nice work artifexd
623368;1397443962;mircea_popescu;artifexd i guess my worst fucking example ever.
623369;1397443973;artifexd;For further science and verification of mircea_popescu theory, here is tan(x) graphed against sin(x): http://i.imgur.com/oplWqjI.png
623370;1397443986;artifexd;Verification of mircea_popescu theory failed.
623371;1397443999;cgcardona_;looks like thighs and a stomach leaning forward
623372;1397444010;TestingUnoDosTre;is that the logo for Munch on me?
623373;1397444014;cgcardona_;hahaha
623374;1397444019;cgcardona_;*ties it together*
623375;1397444124;artifexd;Random formulas aside, I do understand your point that any growing trend can be fitted to match any other growing trend if you futz with the scales enough.
623376;1397444137;mircea_popescu;artifexd http://graphsketch.com/?eqn1_color=1&eqn1_eqn=sin(x)%2Flog(x)&eqn2_color=2&eqn2_eqn=cos(x)%2Flog(x)&eqn3_color=3&eqn3_eqn=&eqn4_color=4&eqn4_eqn=&eqn5_color=5&eqn5_eqn=&eqn6_color=6&eqn6_eqn=&x_min=-17&x_max=17&y_min=-10.5&y_max=10.5&x_tick=1&y_tick=1&x_label_freq=5&y_label_freq=5&do_grid=0&do_grid=1&bold_labeled_lines=0&bold_labeled_lines=1&line_width=4&image_w=850&image_h=525
623377;1397444139;mircea_popescu;shit
623378;1397444175;mircea_popescu;that's what i fucking had in mind. im entirely unsure why i thought /log(x) is a homomorphism of a log scale, but anywa
623379;1397444207;cgcardona_;data porn is the best. imagine all the poor saps throughout history who had to make critical decisions in the moment and didn't have mounds of data porn to pour over.
623380;1397444250;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ their job was easier, as they prolly hadn't invented the adversarial system either, so they could actually reach some sort of a decision.
623381;1397444256;artifexd;graphsketch.com << That's going into my bookmark list. I resorted to some silly site where I had to take screenshots and upload them to imgur.
623382;1397444278;mircea_popescu;mp. even when he's wrong, you learn shit.
623383;1397444292;mircea_popescu;that's gonna be my slogan for a while.
623384;1397444308;cgcardona_;mp. talks in 3rd person
623385;1397444312;cgcardona_;thats a good slogan too
623386;1397444325;artifexd;;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Teaches me shit even when he's wrong
623387;1397444327;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
623388;1397444369;mircea_popescu;artifexd I do understand your point that << that's only half the point. this much is valid, but!
623389;1397444383;mircea_popescu;it takes a minimally trained eye to notice gross unfitness in a log graph.
623390;1397444403;mircea_popescu;because what appears "close" is way the fuck out over there. as in the original graph, midway. the thing's all over the place.
623391;1397444444;artifexd;Would the other half be that numbers can be molested to demonstrate whatever whack theory the molester wants to demonstrate?
623392;1397444475;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/78Rz5KL.gif << look from 700 to say 900
623393;1397444498;mircea_popescu;if those two fit you're basically saying that anally inserting a pea and a horse's head is roughly similar.
623394;1397444517;mircea_popescu;roughly it may be, but similar not.
623395;1397444523;cgcardona_;i see your point. on a log scale
623396;1397444559;mircea_popescu;on a log scale any two things are within an inch of each other.
623397;1397444577;dub;this is lame
623398;1397444583;mircea_popescu;hey dubsy!
623399;1397444587;dub;ahoy
623400;1397444611;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ i mean for curiosity's sake, re-do the same graph but not in log(10). in log(1024) instead. fucking flatlines.
623401;1397444630;mircea_popescu;dub so what's so lame about it ?
623402;1397444656;dub;lets make a shorter list, whats not lame about it
623403;1397444658;mircea_popescu;TextPayMe. "Founded in 2005, TextPayMe is an SMS payment service that lets you send money to other people using cell phone."
623404;1397444670;cgcardona_;sounds like it could be huge
623405;1397444682;cgcardona_;these kids today and their "cell phones"
623406;1397444688;cgcardona_;*fund em*
623407;1397444692;mircea_popescu;dub trick question.
623408;1397444727;mircea_popescu;Parakey. "Parakey was founded in early 2006 by Blake Ross and Joe Hewitt of Mozilla/ Firefox fame. Little has been revealed about."
623409;1397444766;mircea_popescu;"a company for carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is"
623410;1397444838;mircea_popescu;Whereoscope. Whereoscope is a service designed to help parents keep know where their kids are.
623411;1397444861;mircea_popescu;actual crunchbase profile. fucking written by $.75 an hour indians that thing.
623412;1397444887;artifexd;;;rate mircea_popescu 2 Teaches me shit
623413;1397444888;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 2.
623414;1397444958;mircea_popescu;!up zoinky
623415;1397444958;assbot;Voicing zoinky for 30 minutes.
623416;1397445050;mircea_popescu;Divvyshot. "Divvyshot allows groups of friends to share their photos easily, at their full resolutions. It was a Y Combinator participant."
623417;1397445105;mircea_popescu;kiko. Kiko is a web calendar for anyone who wants to keep and share a calendar online. Kiko excels at three main things:
623418;1397445112;mircea_popescu;surprise, fear and a fanatical devotion to the pope.
623419;1397445156;mircea_popescu;SocialPicks. "SocialPicks provides individual investors with a trusted online investing community where they can invest smarter together."
623420;1397445167;mircea_popescu;o look, someone ipo'd bitcointalk/securities.
623421;1397445172;TestingUnoDosTre;;;rate mircea_popescu knows where to find inexpensive indian writers
623422;1397445172;gribble;Error: 'knows' is not a valid integer.
623423;1397445174;mircea_popescu;sold out for 8mn
623424;1397445179;TestingUnoDosTre;;;rate mircea_popescu 1 knows where to find inexpensive indian writers
623425;1397445181;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
623426;1397445184;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre actually i think jurov does
623427;1397445194;TestingUnoDosTre;seriously?
623428;1397445197;mircea_popescu;prolly.
623429;1397445209;artifexd;It's a veritable rate-fest in here.
623430;1397445211;TestingUnoDosTre;I'm looking to start a blog on climate science
623431;1397445220;mircea_popescu;good niche.
623432;1397445231;mircea_popescu;huge shortage of words on that topic
623433;1397445236;mircea_popescu;</sarcasm
623434;1397445243;TestingUnoDosTre;I was joking as well
623435;1397445384;mircea_popescu;Finally, its worth noting that Y Combinator has funded a total of 564 companies.  More than 150 of those companies are less than 18 months old.  Therefore, 80% of the companies are older than 18 months and have not been acquired.
623436;1397445410;mircea_popescu;anyway. epic article, all the lulz one could want for an evening.
623437;1397445423;TestingUnoDosTre;all of them!
623438;1397445572;cgcardona_;YC = £u£$
623439;1397445580;cgcardona_;they do it for the lulz ^
623440;1397445646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.587 BTC [-]
623441;1397445666;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
623442;1397445667;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.62, Best ask: 412.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 412.0, 24 hour volume: 12445.68945649, 24 hour low: 397.16, 24 hour high: 427.75, 24 hour vwap: 410.365466491
623443;1397445673;mircea_popescu;;;calc 182,759.50 / 410.365466491
623444;1397445674;gribble;Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
623445;1397445677;mircea_popescu;;;calc 182759.50 / 410.365466491
623446;1397445678;gribble;445.357894178
623447;1397445707;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0645 = 0.645 BTC [+]
623448;1397445719;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ < berkshire is like 30% ahead and yet... nobody bets.
623449;1397445722;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment
623450;1397445780;cgcardona_;I like this one. http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/#b62 - looks like someone came in right before it broke 400 and make some coin
623451;1397445806;TestingUnoDosTre;It wasn't RIGHT before
623452;1397445808;cgcardona_;*made some coin
623453;1397445820;cgcardona_;i haven't checked the charts. how long before was it?
623454;1397445822;TestingUnoDosTre;there was a 10k buy wall around when s/he made that bet
623455;1397445842;TestingUnoDosTre;My bet, the refund, was quite very near the change
623456;1397445870;mircea_popescu;so like 10 hours early.
623457;1397445884;TestingUnoDosTre;yep
623458;1397445930;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/list-of-victims-of-their-own-success.102679/
623459;1397445932;ozbot;List of Victims of Their Own Success | Bitcointa.lk
623460;1397445939;mircea_popescu;ahaha. ty bitcoin-assets wiki, i had forgotten this one
623461;1397445977;mircea_popescu;(for new people : mtgox failed miserably a year ago, this time. their lag was routinely in the half hour range. it's all in the logs. their response ? "we are a victim of our own success!!1"
623462;1397446073;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.596 BTC [+]
623463;1397446163;TestingUnoDosTre;this under 300 bet is very intruiging
623464;1397446195;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0645 = 0.9675 BTC [+]
623465;1397446319;TestingUnoDosTre;also been quite surprised about the amoung of gigahashes that have been dropped on the network in the last day or so
623466;1397446370;mircea_popescu;But in either case, the race is on : the governments are mining, boys and girls. (The good news, of course, is that they’ve started about at the same time, which means we have cleared the ONLY roadblock Bitcoin ever seriously had in its path. We’re done here, we’ve won.)
623467;1397446377;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/
623468;1397446378;ozbot;Things that matter these days ; things that don’t matter these days. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce
623469;1397446429;mod6;heh, its up almost 10TH/s
623470;1397446443;mod6;*10k
623471;1397446469;artifexd;How do you know that governments are mining, much less which governments and to what degree?
623472;1397446568;mircea_popescu;apparently i got my own nsa
623473;1397446637;TestingUnoDosTre;lol
623474;1397446653;TestingUnoDosTre;should I be laughing or not?
623475;1397446666;mircea_popescu;anyway. the bed's just filed extradition papers so ima have to bid you a very good laters!
623476;1397446693;mod6;night
623477;1397446694;artifexd;If it is an educated guess, that's cool. What I'm asking is whether you have any independently verifiable proof that governments are mining? (Like, verifiable by someone like, you know, me)
623478;1397446783;benkay;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2014&bots=true#623312 << then there's cavirtex which is django, a scam, and has shipped precisely zero since their original thinger.
623479;1397446785;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
623480;1397447035;benkay;artifexd: ain't nobody sharing information like that for free.
623481;1397447168;benkay;sam altman running y combinator
623482;1397447174;benkay;graham tire of the derp circus?
623483;1397447179;artifexd;Without inside knowledge, how could you verify it? The only information that actually links to the miner is the coinbase script and I haven't seen any scripts with "Mined by US GSA" in them.
623484;1397447240;asciilifeform;gotta love how he suggests 'cheap energy!11!' as a yc startup idea.
623485;1397447290;asciilifeform;yes, the fellow who builds the mythical magic reactor surely needs $15k of 'invest' and a spell in trendoid bootcamp.
623486;1397447404;benkay;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2014&bots=true#623392 << give it five years, plot a line on the log scale and see how beautifully it fits
623487;1397447405;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
623488;1397447435;asciilifeform;see mp's essay re: how dog sees every other creature as a type of dog
623489;1397447467;benkay;artifexd: another point on this topic is that intelligence is completely unverifiable. your source may be compromised, your source may be lying, all sorts of things may be true.
623490;1397447499;benkay;a not entirely thing to say about mircea_popescu's sources is that there's a nonzero chance they're trained ninjas who've infiltrated both the us and sino mining operations
623491;1397447503;asciilifeform;benkay: the science of how to verify intelligence is not a secret.
623492;1397447504;benkay;not entirely crazy
623493;1397447515;asciilifeform;plenty has been written on the subject, since at least machiavelli
623494;1397447542;benkay;if its your spy im sure you can make some guesses
623495;1397447549;artifexd;Sure. But there's nothing other than "Because I said so".
623496;1397447551;benkay;but if it's my spy, and you want to know how good the report is
623497;1397447579;artifexd;Unless his "I got my own nsa" statement was not a joke and was actually a comment on his research team.
623498;1397447602;asciilifeform;any serious commercial organization has an intelligence arm
623499;1397447612;asciilifeform;again, not a secret, in itself.
623500;1397447781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5525 @ 0.00096005 = 5.3043 BTC [+]
623501;1397447789;benkay;so an entity with an intelligence arm claims a thing is true and says 'get stuffed' when you ask 'but how ams u knooooow?'. how as a prole in -assets are you going to ever verify something the entity spent an unknown amount of money discovering?
623502;1397447831;benkay;artifexd: i think the joke is that the nsa would love to have access to mp's intel.
623503;1397447835;asciilifeform;benkay: in such a case, you must either take the advice or leave it
623504;1397447838;benkay;not that i'd know. derpy kid as myself.
623505;1397447896;benkay;asciilifeform: points about verification aside, that'd be the point i'm trying to pound into artifexd
623506;1397447897;asciilifeform;let's say you live in a place where earthquakes are a regular thing
623507;1397447912;asciilifeform;you may or may not know the gory details of how a seismologist does his work
623508;1397447925;asciilifeform;but if the fellow warned you in time once, twice...
623509;1397447960;benkay;i'm with you 100%
623510;1397448002;dub;uh, siesmologists dont generally predict earthquakes
623511;1397448017;benkay;helens
623512;1397448027;artifexd;I think my (possible?) mistake is in thinking that he has access to the same information as the rest of us (specifically, me). He may have more people to pour over it and analyze it, but the raw information is available.
623513;1397448043;benkay;that'd be what we call an 'assumption'.
623514;1397448050;artifexd;Or rather, that I have access to the same information he does.
623515;1397448058;asciilifeform;won't predict, but will show where fault line, etc.
623516;1397448066;asciilifeform;simplified example
623517;1397448376;benkay;;;gettrust JorgePasada
623518;1397448376;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user JorgePasada: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=JorgePasada | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=JorgePasada | Rated since: never
623519;1397448394;benkay;JorgePasada: i can't rate you unless you get in the WoT.
623520;1397448574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00096042 = 4.4179 BTC [+] {2} 
623521;1397448577;artifexd;When I was in the Navy, lower ranked officers were nothing special, but even lower enlisted (like myself) didn't have conversations with the Captains and Admirals.  There was the understanding that they were "people" just like us (meaning the enlisted folk), but their concerns and our concerns didn't overlap enough to allow for everyday conversation. There
623522;1397448577;artifexd;was a real caste system.
623523;1397448668;artifexd;Here, mircea and I should not exist in the same caste. I'm just a normal dude. He's a Romanian Billionare. WITH A B! I can conceive of no reason that someone that high up the food chain would give two shits about what I think or why I think it.
623524;1397448713;benkay;that understanding is the glue holding the democratic army of america together
623525;1397448741;artifexd;And yet, every time I talk, he gives me the time of day. When I question him, he responds reasonably. I guess that encourages me to treat him as an equal.
623526;1397448752;benkay;and yeah, they're probably just like you in the particulars of their lives and mistresses and dinners and base houses etc
623527;1397448782;benkay;heh
623528;1397448803;benkay;bow to your bitlord, for despite his friendly demeanor ye are not equals.
623529;1397448828;benkay;some day i'll get to say that to someone in all seriousness.
623530;1397448970;artifexd;Honestly, I think I'm feeling a little overwhelmed that he appointed me as a bitcoin baron. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2014&bots=true#622843
623531;1397448978;artifexd;Because, seriously, who the fuck am I?
623532;1397449018;artifexd;Anyway, time to put the existential crisis on hold and get some work done before bed.
623533;1397449094;benkay;lowest of the low, artifexd
623534;1397449114;benkay;baron must do his lords work or be stripped as i understand it
623535;1397449213;artifexd;Do you remember the first time somebody gave you real responsibility? "Don't let me down, kid." type stuff.
623536;1397449232;cgcardona_;sure. when I found out my gf was pregnant.
623537;1397449233;artifexd;Trust, belief, whatever.
623538;1397449245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00096353 = 15.4647 BTC [+] {3} 
623539;1397449251;artifexd;Kinda heavy but also empowering
623540;1397449253;benkay;"here's a cluster, kid."
623541;1397449257;benkay;shat myself almost.
623542;1397449268;benkay;"you're on call now."
623543;1397449279;cgcardona_;SuperUser
623544;1397449337;benkay;greybeard
623545;1397449376;benkay;in an odd turn of events that no doubt indicts my past masters for incompetence i've always had root on der boxen
623546;1397449667;cgcardona_;not i
623547;1397449680;cgcardona_;but i've joined teams of 80 engineers
623548;1397449686;cgcardona_;so of course I didn't come on board w/ root
623549;1397449724;cgcardona_;in fact once someone took over my screen/vim session w/ ascii art/text telling me about an engineering meeting.
623550;1397449754;benkay;brutal.
623551;1397449778;benkay;my generation hacks on cloud vms in eerie silence.
623552;1397449827;benkay;leastaways that's how we learn before getting hoovered out of our ditches into Business.
623553;1397450207;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu how does the discreet escort leverage the WoT?
623554;1397450208;gribble;The operation succeeded.
623555;1397450737;TestingUnoDosTre;;;rate mircea_popescu  I bow to my bitlord, for despite his friendly demeanor, we are not equals
623556;1397450737;gribble;Error: 'I' is not a valid integer.
623557;1397450750;TestingUnoDosTre;;;rate mircea_popescu 2 I bow to my bitlord, for despite his friendly demeanor, we are not equals
623558;1397450751;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 2.
623559;1397450856;TestingUnoDosTre;Does mp use bitstamp?
623560;1397451003;dub;yes
623561;1397451033;dub;but he's holding off for GLBSE 3.0
623562;1397451071;TestingUnoDosTre;I'm wondering because shortly after he left, the books are going wild with buys
623563;1397451115;dub;statistical certainty
623564;1397451134;benkay;http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mircea_popescu&sign=ANY&type=SENT grep for broker
623565;1397451135;ozbot;Rating Details for User 'mircea_popescu'
623566;1397451441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00096003 = 2.5441 BTC [-]
623567;1397451581;joecool;mp needed dem sales
623568;1397451590;joecool;gotta catch em all
623569;1397451679;TestingUnoDosTre;what does he mean by ATC broker, maybe OTC insead?
623570;1397451706;TestingUnoDosTre;for pankkakke
623571;1397451712;artifexd;Altcoin
623572;1397451722;artifexd;http://www.therealaltcoin.org/
623573;1397451722;ozbot;The Real Altcoin (ATC) - Never mine another altcoin again.
623574;1397451745;artifexd;Also #altcoin
623575;1397451762;artifexd;Speaking of which, last sale was at 170. Geez...
623576;1397451849;TestingUnoDosTre;last sale of altcoin?
623577;1397451868;TestingUnoDosTre;Altcoin*
623578;1397451891;artifexd;Yeah. At x-bt.com
623579;1397451990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00096003 = 5.7122 BTC [-]
623580;1397452223;TestingUnoDosTre;did thickasthieves make atc>
623581;1397452805;artifexd;He did
623582;1397452966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5603 @ 0.00096593 = 5.4121 BTC [+]
623583;1397452997;artifexd;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/sha256-altcoin.250774/
623584;1397452999;ozbot;[SHA256] Altcoin | Bitcointa.lk
623585;1397453010;benkay;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/13_there-is-no-recourse-in-bitcoin-only-trust-and-identity.html
623586;1397453010;ozbot;There is no recourse in Bitcoin - only trust and identity
623587;1397453310;TestingUnoDosTre;oh my gawd, I'm laughing my ass off while reading this forum. How the hell did he pull this off?
623588;1397453403;benkay;share some gems, TestingUnoDosTre
623589;1397453441;TestingUnoDosTre;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4873000#msg4873000
623590;1397453442;ozbot;[SHA256] Altcoin
623591;1397453527;TestingUnoDosTre;"All other pretenders to the altcoin designation must be assimilated. Resistance is futile."
623592;1397453624;TestingUnoDosTre;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg4874236#msg4874236
623593;1397453626;ozbot;[SHA256] Altcoin
623594;1397453647;fluffypony;please tell me someone set up a pool to let the miners mine and never find a block
623595;1397453653;artifexd;benkay: I'm trying to find an article that I think you wrote. In the article the statement "Storing bitcoins on a phone is the god damned stupidest fucking thing evar." Or something to that effect. Do you remember that?
623596;1397453674;benkay;ah yeah half a sec
623597;1397453710;benkay;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/09_bitcoiners-upset-at-apple-understand-neither-apples-business-model-nor-bitcoin.html
623598;1397453711;ozbot;Bitcoiners Upset at Apple Understand Neither Apple's Business Model nor Bitcoin
623599;1397453742;benkay;it's probably a bad thing that i'm the search engine for my blog
623600;1397453755;artifexd;Yep. I was looking for this paragraph:
623601;1397453756;artifexd;urthermore, putting bitcoins on your phone is probably the goddamn stupidest thing that I've ever heard of. Bitcoins are going to be the world's reserve currency4, and as such fated to rise to prices per coin that dwarf even the outlandish Winklevoss' most media-hungry "predictions". To leave such a precious commodity within reach of anyone with a USB cable5
623602;1397453756;artifexd;and a gun to scare you off your phone is the height of idiocy.
623603;1397453759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00096431 = 1.5429 BTC [-]
623604;1397453761;artifexd;I love that.
623605;1397453831;artifexd;That article is the top result for "goddamn stupidest thing bitcoin"
623606;1397453848;benkay;for real?
623607;1397453868;artifexd;Try it
623608;1397453928;benkay;hahaha
623609;1397453928;TestingUnoDosTre;lol
623610;1397453971;benkay;and yet
623611;1397453976;benkay;;;google goddamn stupidest thing bitcoin
623612;1397453977;gribble;Peter Schiff On Gold vs Bitcoin | Zero Hedge: <http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-21/peter-schiff-gold-vs-bitcoin>; Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox Is Finished | Zero Hedge: <http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-20/bitcoin-exchange-mt-gox-finished>; Bitcoin - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20dasw/switch_all_units_to_microbtc_by_default_issue/>
623613;1397454077;artifexd;http://i.imgur.com/SzVdluK.png
623614;1397454083;artifexd;Personalized search, I guess.
623615;1397454180;benkay;yeah nobody really understands gribble's search magic
623616;1397454186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00095943 = 11.5611 BTC [-] {2} 
623617;1397454192;TestingUnoDosTre;showed up for me as well, after I viewed at least one of your articles
623618;1397454198;benkay;fascinating.
623619;1397454206;benkay;well, index me into the googleborg gents
623620;1397454242;benkay;i'm off to harass the womenfolk and ingest intoxicants
623621;1397454262;benkay;don't start glbse 4.0 without me, eh?
623622;1397454308;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00096489 = 7.7191 BTC [+] {2} 
623623;1397454555;artifexd;!up smidge
623624;1397454555;assbot;Voicing smidge for 30 minutes.
623625;1397454560;artifexd;!up bigtip
623626;1397454560;assbot;Voicing bigtip for 30 minutes.
623627;1397454979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00095928 = 25.7087 BTC [-] {2} 
623628;1397455223;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 53 @ 0.55454814 = 29.3911 BTC [-] {22} 
623629;1397455467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.48482131 = 10.6661 BTC [-] {8} 
623630;1397455528;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45100001 BTC [-]
623631;1397455589;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00550152 = 0.1375 BTC [-] {2} 
623632;1397455650;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00550068 = 0.4566 BTC [-] {7} 
623633;1397455651;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 51 @ 0.53881428 = 27.4795 BTC [+] {9} 
623634;1397455894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00095865 = 13.0856 BTC [-] {2} 
623635;1397455894;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.476 = 4.76 BTC [-] {2} 
623636;1397456260;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4521 = 4.521 BTC [-] {3} 
623637;1397456261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7524 @ 0.00096087 = 7.2296 BTC [+]
623638;1397456321;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 239 @ 0.00537477 = 1.2846 BTC [-] {10} 
623639;1397456687;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 143 @ 0.00512132 = 0.7323 BTC [-] {4} 
623640;1397456748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 351 @ 0.00501118 = 1.7589 BTC [-] {7} 
623641;1397457968;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.49949099 = 4.9949 BTC [+] {3} 
623642;1397458029;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999 = 1 BTC [+]
623643;1397458212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+]
623644;1397458213;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50999 BTC [+]
623645;1397458456;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.50999 = 4.5899 BTC [+]
623646;1397458822;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51999 = 1.56 BTC [+]
623647;1397458883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00096203 = 3.7519 BTC [+] {2} 
623648;1397460225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4357 @ 0.0009635 = 4.198 BTC [+]
623649;1397460469;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00096305 = 10.8343 BTC [-]
623650;1397461018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6099 @ 0.00096034 = 5.8571 BTC [-]
623651;1397461323;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
623652;1397461324;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.52353107 = 15.7059 BTC [+] {5} 
623653;1397461689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.53999 = 5.3999 BTC [+]
623654;1397462055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54249735 BTC [+]
623655;1397462238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.54999 = 5.4999 BTC [+]
623656;1397462848;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0075 = 0.3375 BTC [+]
623657;1397463519;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0075 = 0.15 BTC [+]
623658;1397463641;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52 = 1.04 BTC [-]
623659;1397463763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06657358 = 0.2663 BTC [+]
623660;1397463764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3691 @ 0.00095846 = 3.5377 BTC [-] {2} 
623661;1397463764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0075 = 0.2625 BTC [+]
623662;1397464068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06657389 = 0.3994 BTC [+]
623663;1397464190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00095836 = 4.4085 BTC [-]
623664;1397464312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 601 @ 0.00070694 = 0.4249 BTC [-] {5} 
623665;1397464373;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 399 @ 0.00069284 = 0.2764 BTC [-] {3} 
623666;1397464556;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 983 @ 0.0006871 = 0.6754 BTC [-] {4} 
623667;1397464678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 821 @ 0.00066555 = 0.5464 BTC [-] {5} 
623668;1397464739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 542 @ 0.00066 = 0.3577 BTC [-] {5} 
623669;1397464800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1711 @ 0.00064243 = 1.0992 BTC [-] {8} 
623670;1397464861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 847 @ 0.000527 = 0.4464 BTC [-] {2} 
623671;1397464862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10838 @ 0.00095818 = 10.3848 BTC [-] {2} 
623672;1397464983;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06657389 = 0.2663 BTC [+]
623673;1397465532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 7 @ 0.14 = 0.98 BTC
623674;1397465776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00095812 = 6.3236 BTC [-]
623675;1397466142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00095812 = 13.749 BTC [-]
623676;1397466874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01500002 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2} 
623677;1397466996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001079 = 0.1079 BTC [+] {3} 
623678;1397467423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00096058 = 6.2918 BTC [+] {2} 
623679;1397467790;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5498 = 2.749 BTC [+] {2} 
623680;1397467851;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.55984712 = 2.7992 BTC [+] {2} 
623681;1397467911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.0051 = 0.3927 BTC [+] {2} 
623682;1397468094;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55999 = 1.12 BTC [+] {2} 
623683;1397468216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03420434 = 0.1026 BTC [-] {3} 
623684;1397468227;bounce;this needs a better translator: http://www.goxdox.org/2014/04/mtgox-to-be-acquired-by-silk-road_12.html
623685;1397470108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5524 @ 0.00095772 = 5.2904 BTC [-] {2} 
623686;1397470266;Namworld;"This PR team apparently sees nothing wrong with this Sponsor’s association with Silk Road Equity LLC (I am not shitting you)."
623687;1397470295;Namworld;It's not being aquired by Silk Road... it says Silk Road Equity.
623688;1397470300;Namworld;Domain registered in 2003
623689;1397470302;Namworld;http://www.silkroadequity.com/portfolio.html
623690;1397470302;ozbot;SilkRoad Equity - PORTFOLIO
623691;1397470333;Namworld;They have Bitcoin related website, some real estates and restaurant and random stuff. Eh...
623692;1397470367;Namworld;The name seems to be a bad coincidence. An awful one even.
623693;1397470405;Namworld;Doesn't look like an appropriate candidate anyway. There's no amount of duct tape that can fix MtGox.
623694;1397470498;fluffypony;yeah
623695;1397470502;Namworld;And own silkroad.com, which is HR related, which must be their first business, hence the name: http://www.silkroad.com/
623696;1397470516;fluffypony;I read somewhere they're offering 1 BTC and are willing to absorb all the liabilities
623697;1397470558;Namworld;What liabilities?
623698;1397470583;fluffypony;all the money Karpeles stole, presumably?
623699;1397470602;Namworld;So, basically, they are insane?
623700;1397470614;fluffypony;yes
623701;1397470630;fluffypony;they'll probably take the BTC pool that has been "discovered"
623702;1397470636;fluffypony;and then distribute that proportionally
623703;1397470644;fluffypony;so everyone gets 1/8th or whatever
623704;1397470647;fluffypony;of what they had
623705;1397470656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00095751 = 2.0108 BTC [-]
623706;1397470674;Namworld;200k/650k or 750k so like 25-30%?
623707;1397470697;Namworld;Assuming Karpeles doesn't get to keep his 100k that he "also lost"
623708;1397470702;fluffypony;yeah
623709;1397470723;fluffypony;I don't think they'd be stupid enough to cover the rest, unless they never want to ever achieve any level of profitability
623710;1397470723;bounce;then call it a day. then what? a rotten website and trading "engine", an unwilling user base (I mean... well, they didn't walk away before, did they?), and, trouble with nosy 'merkin regulators. what'd be in it for them?
623711;1397470738;fluffypony;bounce: who knows what goes through their heads
623712;1397470744;fluffypony;maybe they think the gox name is salvageable
623713;1397470784;bounce;could be a TLAgency front. then again, why go through all the trouble? might as well set up one anew.
623714;1397470800;fluffypony;yeah
623715;1397470815;Namworld;Depends on the sort of capital they have. Gox's name isn't what's doomed. It's the code created by Karpeles and Karpeles himself.
623716;1397470840;Namworld;If they don't have to pay back balances lost, just what's left, and get to have all the userbase with docs...
623717;1397470860;Namworld;They could even relaunch anew with their own name
623718;1397470873;fluffypony;yeah
623719;1397470882;bounce;depends a bit on what you could do with that. though apparently you could've grabbed that yourself, seeing the guys that first promised not to sell the loot, then offered to sell it anyway.
623720;1397470888;fluffypony;bounce: you'll be surprised who comes crawling back
623721;1397470897;Namworld;That's the only thing I can imagine someone going after, the doxed userbase without having to pay balances
623722;1397470917;fluffypony;also afaik, wasn't gox tightly integrated into some trading platforms?
623723;1397470943;fluffypony;a lot of heavy traders aren't going to want to reinvest fresh capital and then still have to pay for compatability with whatever platform they use
623724;1397470959;fluffypony;but the opportunity to keep using the tools even with only 25% of their capital that was in gox
623725;1397470962;fluffypony;may be appealing
623726;1397470963;Namworld;Bounce, if someone took it from the hacker and spammed the users telling them "We already have your docs, come trade on a good BTC market! *LINK*"
623727;1397470971;Namworld;Well let's just say it wouldn't pass.
623728;1397470991;bounce;notice how you can s/hacker/boogieman/ and you'd make about as much sense. in fact, you'd be more honest.
623729;1397471081;Namworld;eh
623730;1397471091;Namworld;Anyway, I'm going off, gn all
623731;1397471130;fluffypony;inght
623732;1397471131;fluffypony;night
623733;1397471406;dexX7;<assbot> [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45100001 BTC [-] << ouch
623734;1397472059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11079 @ 0.00095751 = 10.6083 BTC [-]
623735;1397472181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17323 @ 0.00096268 = 16.6765 BTC [+] {3} 
623736;1397472852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5077 @ 0.00096357 = 4.892 BTC [+]
623737;1397473767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00095696 = 11.34 BTC [-] {4} 
623738;1397474133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.066574 = 0.2663 BTC [+]
623739;1397474255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
623740;1397474316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14792 @ 0.00096378 = 14.2562 BTC [+] {3} 
623741;1397474396;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla good move on the assbot pm
623742;1397474425;mircea_popescu;maybe s/To get a voice, a permission to speak/To get voice (ie, to be able to speak),
623743;1397474486;mircea_popescu;actually,
623744;1397474531;mircea_popescu;To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.
623745;1397474865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00096482 = 1.7367 BTC [+]
623746;1397474926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.0009655 = 3.7172 BTC [+] {2} 
623747;1397475342;mircea_popescu;!up los_pantalones
623748;1397475342;assbot;Voicing los_pantalones for 30 minutes.
623749;1397475348;mircea_popescu;los_pantalones you teh twitter guy ?
623750;1397475381;dexX7;"The same bug also affected the forum. Changing your forum password is recommended." on btctalk.. is this msg new?
623751;1397475403;mircea_popescu;dexX7 you may be the last one using .org, people kinda moved to .lk
623752;1397475423;dexX7;i don't like the .lk design
623753;1397475453;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with it ? (just curious, i dun do forums anyway)
623754;1397475453;dexX7;it's too flashy and colorful
623755;1397475476;mircea_popescu;o.O
623756;1397475476;los_pantalones;yo yo mircaea_popescu
623757;1397475484;los_pantalones;i am the twitter guy
623758;1397475484;dexX7;or maybe it's only because i'm too used to the original
623759;1397475490;mircea_popescu;;;rate los_pantalones 1 New blood
623760;1397475490;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
623761;1397475490;los_pantalones;a man in tight pants, who likely shouldn't be
623762;1397475496;mircea_popescu;so pastebin that thing if it's not secret
623763;1397475498;los_pantalones;yeah, i'm a noobie
623764;1397475509;mircea_popescu;and also, you know ben panced ?
623765;1397475512;los_pantalones;not a secret, it's a logical disagreement
623766;1397475519;los_pantalones;no, i do not
623767;1397475529;mircea_popescu;;;google cow and chicken "the red guy"
623768;1397475530;gribble;Red Guy - Cow and Chicken Wiki: <http://cowandchicken.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Guy>; Cow and Chicken - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cow_and_Chicken>; Red Guy Compilation (Reupload/Speedy) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1bUeJ5P8L0>
623769;1397475536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06699997 = 0.536 BTC [+]
623770;1397475557;mircea_popescu;one of the best cartoon characters of all time. always naked from the waist down, always funny pants reference names, a whole pants thing
623771;1397475576;los_pantalones;well, i look just like al gore iii in his mugshot
623772;1397475578;los_pantalones;so that works too
623773;1397475593;los_pantalones;give me a sec to get stuff up
623774;1397475597;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06699997 = 0.335 BTC [+]
623775;1397475611;los_pantalones;but the basic premise is that price bets are not a binary event, they lose probability over time
623776;1397475623;los_pantalones;quicker than say something like "will there be a gay player in baseball by august 10th"
623777;1397475628;los_pantalones;that bet can hit all the way to the last day
623778;1397475629;mircea_popescu;no worry,
623779;1397475636;los_pantalones;whereas a price bet requires time to work towards a goal
623780;1397475642;mircea_popescu;i've been trying to write an article the past half hour, so, i can use the break
623781;1397475644;mircea_popescu;take your time
623782;1397475646;los_pantalones;so the longer it's not near the event the lower the prob of it occuring
623783;1397475654;mircea_popescu;and i brb.
623784;1397475656;los_pantalones;k
623785;1397476113;BingoBoingo;;;google site:trilema.com let us understand mutual betting together
623786;1397476113;gribble;Let's understand mutual betting together pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/lets-understand-mutual-betting-together/>; ZoneHedge Wow. Such Durden. Much info. About useless. pe ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/zonehedge-wow-such-durden-much-info-about-useless/>; Least likely to succeed character : The upseller pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <http://trilema.com/least- (1 more message)
623787;1397476634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55999 = 1.12 BTC [+]
623788;1397476673;los_pantalones;mircea_popescu this is admittedly from the first time i looked at the contracts
623789;1397476677;los_pantalones;was getting my head around them
623790;1397476678;los_pantalones;but
623791;1397476683;los_pantalones;here's the email
623792;1397476688;los_pantalones;http://pastebin.com/VWcdtLXh
623793;1397476688;ozbot;bitbet time decay - Pastebin.com
623794;1397476756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 230 @ 0.00150656 = 0.3465 BTC [+] {4} 
623795;1397476891;los_pantalones;i started a math optimization as well, prob best not to share that though
623796;1397476935;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-elitism-memory-hole-effect/
623797;1397476935;ozbot;The elitism memory hole effect pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
623798;1397477209;fluffypony;jurov: someone's squatting your nick
623799;1397477211;fluffypony;jurovv
623800;1397477219;fluffypony;[14:06:55] jurovv has userhost ~jme823@pool-71-126-42-170.pitbpa.east.verizon.net and real name "nunyo"
623801;1397477260;mircea_popescu;los_pantalones i was hoping for something more along the lines of a set of numeric examples, or in any sense some math analysis. opinion based we've had already, such as for instance :
623802;1397477260;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-12-2013#404631
623803;1397477265;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
623804;1397477273;mircea_popescu;(see the prev day too, it was a lengthy discussion)
623805;1397477320;mircea_popescu;!up los_pantalones
623806;1397477320;assbot;Voicing los_pantalones for 30 minutes.
623807;1397477331;mircea_popescu;also to voice yourself, id with gribble an pm assbot !up
623808;1397477361;los_pantalones;yeah, learning the ropes here
623809;1397477364;los_pantalones;trying to follow your rules
623810;1397477394;los_pantalones;i'll try to get something more concrete for you
623811;1397477400;los_pantalones;have any experience w/ black-scholes ?
623812;1397477424;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as i've run 90%+ of all option volume on btc/usd i nthe history of btc, i would say yes.
623813;1397477438;los_pantalones;ha, MY BAD
623814;1397477463;mircea_popescu;you can assume complete and absolute comprehension on the part of -assets, like you were talking to god.
623815;1397477473;mircea_popescu;then if i don't understand wtf you're saying ima ask somebody to read it to me.
623816;1397477473;los_pantalones;i had forgotten
623817;1397477497;los_pantalones;welp, let me see if i can put something coherent together in the next couple days
623818;1397477521;los_pantalones;can i ask if you are pro/anti the accelerated decay argument?
623819;1397477521;mircea_popescu;no rush.
623820;1397477529;mircea_popescu;never mind me, argue it for itself.
623821;1397477542;los_pantalones;yeah, of course, was curious
623822;1397477558;mircea_popescu;i can see either side.
623823;1397477563;los_pantalones;k
623824;1397477596;los_pantalones;that brk_a settles in march 2015 ?
623825;1397477623;mircea_popescu;Resolution:
623826;1397477623;mircea_popescu;in 11 months 6 days (17-03-2015)
623827;1397477631;los_pantalones;tanks
623828;1397477656;mircea_popescu;a good approach, perhaps, would be to create a class of similar bets and follow them over the history of brk.a
623829;1397477670;mircea_popescu;to leverage the fact that we have a 50 year history of price signal in that asset.
623830;1397477717;los_pantalones;i was going to find the optimal time to bet
623831;1397477732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1966 @ 0.00096482 = 1.8968 BTC [-]
623832;1397477737;los_pantalones;and see if that would critically impact other prior bets
623833;1397477740;mircea_popescu;or thay
623834;1397477745;mircea_popescu;that*
623835;1397477825;los_pantalones;k, thanks for the 60 minutes of fun
623836;1397477849;mircea_popescu;!up dvsdude
623837;1397477849;assbot;Voicing dvsdude for 30 minutes.
623838;1397477863;dvsdude;ty
623839;1397477865;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you see that ? "thanks for the 60 minutes of fun" the man says. why can't you be more like that!
623840;1397477934;mircea_popescu;http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/04/11/irs-seizing-tax-refunds-children-grandchildren-over-parents-decades-old-de
623841;1397477934;ozbot;IRS Seizing Tax Refunds of Children, Grandchildren Over Parents' Decades-Old Debts | Fox News Inside
623842;1397477938;mircea_popescu;in other news.
623843;1397477975;BingoBoingo;Well, there's also the standoff in Utah between government forces and a local militia
623844;1397477976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00096593 = 0.9176 BTC [+]
623845;1397478000;BingoBoingo;but I think asciilifeform posted that this weekend
623846;1397478053;mircea_popescu;yeah, didn't the blm leave ?
623847;1397478067;BingoBoingo;http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/04/12/cliven_bundy_feds_halt_nevada_cattle_seizure.html
623848;1397478067;ozbot;Cliven Bundy: Feds halt Nevada cattle seizure.
623849;1397478083;BingoBoingo;Looks like it, or at least they are "pausing" it
623850;1397478110;mircea_popescu;it's what i'd do too. if the guy takes the cattle away, problem solved. if he doesn't, then by definition they'll still be there,
623851;1397478121;mircea_popescu;can resume at a later time, when teh people have had time to grind themselves down.
623852;1397478134;BingoBoingo;Yeah
623853;1397478140;mircea_popescu;not that it'll work, but that's the very substance of statal collapse : reasonable measures no longer actually work.
623854;1397478173;BingoBoingo;At least it is a very different thing so far than what would have happened in the 90's
623855;1397478185;mircea_popescu;very. cause everyone is comparing it to the waco thing.
623856;1397478201;mircea_popescu;well... there were no thousands of armed people marching on waco from six states
623857;1397478210;mircea_popescu;and the texas governor wasn't going omgwtfbbq at the feds.
623858;1397478219;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, that WAS the end of the atf.
623859;1397478225;BingoBoingo;Well, prolly Ruby Ridge
623860;1397478238;*;danielpbarron has been to Waco
623861;1397478272;mircea_popescu;during ? or after ?
623862;1397478301;BingoBoingo;I'm just thinking that this thing started with one dude and cows as opposed to an entire group of dudes.
623863;1397478314;danielpbarron;after
623864;1397478340;danielpbarron;i visited a different false church that was coincidentally located in Waco
623865;1397478388;BingoBoingo;Waco's a pretty big town
623866;1397478400;mircea_popescu;well i never been to waco
623867;1397478409;mircea_popescu;so do people there call each other "you waco" ?
623868;1397478472;danielpbarron;no, the people there are pretty much the same as anywhere else
623869;1397478480;danielpbarron;stupid
623870;1397478489;mircea_popescu;stupid smelly an slow
623871;1397478515;BingoBoingo;If only Waco was pronounced as a homophone for Whacko
623872;1397478649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3642 @ 0.00096482 = 3.5139 BTC [-]
623873;1397478847;joecool;english is flexible, make it so
623874;1397478912;BingoBoingo;English may be rather flexible, but Texas is less so
623875;1397478950;mircea_popescu;lol zing
623876;1397479196;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.06699997 = 1.541 BTC [+]
623877;1397479266;BingoBoingo;!up los_pantalones
623878;1397479266;assbot;Voicing los_pantalones for 30 minutes.
623879;1397479440;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03549988 = 0.1065 BTC [+]
623880;1397479585;BingoBoingo;Look at this crank http://rmxcrypt.com/
623881;1397479710;pankkake;argh, inconsistent usage of spaces around parenthesis
623882;1397479718;pankkake;the "flagman"? lol
623883;1397479726;fluffypony;"THE FIRST CRYPTOGRAPHIC SYSTEM WITH ABSOLUTE STABILITY"
623884;1397479733;fluffypony;because GPG is super unstable
623885;1397479766;pankkake;apparently "PGP" is an algorithm. it's next to "RSA"
623886;1397479811;fluffypony;I bet that was written by robwhizz22
623887;1397479874;pankkake;http://www.mail-archive.com/gnupg-users@gnupg.org/msg20573.html oh apparently you can use ECDSA with GPG!
623888;1397479874;ozbot;Re: Elliptic curves in gnupg status?(ECC support)
623889;1397479887;mircea_popescu;da fuck is "absolute stability" supposed to be ?
623890;1397479905;mircea_popescu;"After the scandal around the National Security Agency (NSA ) of the USA and after revelations of the ex-agent of CIA Edward Snowden it became known that NSA can crack cryptoprotection of Internet communications. "
623891;1397479907;mircea_popescu;ok nm.
623892;1397479918;BingoBoingo;Absolute stability prolly means the private key is always the same
623893;1397479922;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: he links to this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Shannon
623894;1397479936;fluffypony;"Absolutely stability cryptographic system – it’s a system that CAN BE DECIPHERED NEVER AND BY NOBODY AT ANY LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT OF A SCIENCE AND COMPUTER FACILITIES (it can’t be cracked even with the help of supercomputers, for example – with the use of the developed quantum computer, even if it is  completely developed in the future, because the RMX protection system is released on a new class of mathematical functions unknown to moder
623895;1397479936;fluffypony;science)"
623896;1397479941;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Shannon level information security is hard
623897;1397479946;mircea_popescu;da fuck, if you're gonna refer to unrelated matters in your captatio, at least get the facts straight. snowden was a contractor not an agent.
623898;1397479967;mircea_popescu;fluffypony oh that ? the greeks had it. here's an example  :
623899;1397479982;mircea_popescu;Ξ
623900;1397479991;mircea_popescu;you'll never be able to decypher what i meant by that. ever.
623901;1397480043;ThickAsThieves;ah mp, i just sent a ;;later tell, forgetting the user list is reordered by +
623902;1397480061;ThickAsThieves;does that mean you dont get it til signing off and on again?
623903;1397480086;pankkake;;;notes
623904;1397480086;gribble;I currently have notes waiting for antephialtic, Arbitrage, arij, babbler, bawse, bugpowder, cads, daver300, deepspace, dertin033, dnathe4th, Empirical, Felyza, herbijudlestoids, Izzy_, jcpham, Jorge_Pasada, kryo, later, LucyDrop, Mad7Scientist, melt7777, mirceau_popescu, MmmmYah, Myke974, novusordo, OMGDogecoin, only, princessnell, reutersemily, satdav, Sibty, sic_nic, Taras, tholu, (1 more message)
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623907;1397480109;ThickAsThieves;;;email
623908;1397480109;gribble;Error: "email" is not a valid command.
623909;1397480114;ThickAsThieves;!email
623910;1397480118;ThickAsThieves;$email
623911;1397480118;pankkake;$email
623912;1397480118;mpexbot;ThickAsThieves: To sign up for this service, contact smickles. Cost will be 0.01 BTC.
623913;1397480119;mpexbot;pankkake: To sign up for this service, contact smickles. Cost will be 0.01 BTC.
623914;1397480127;mircea_popescu;and in the same vein : http://trilema.com/2009/mi-a-venit-o-idee-extraordinara/
623915;1397480142;mircea_popescu;it's been an open challenge to my readers for 5 years now, to crack that shit.
623916;1397480145;Anduck;what is the service?
623917;1397480153;ThickAsThieves;a joke
623918;1397480158;danielpbarron;nice
623919;1397480173;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves no, next gribble sees me speak.
623920;1397480254;dexX7;;;notes help
623921;1397480254;gribble;Error: I have no notes for that nick.
623922;1397480284;mircea_popescu;lol mirceau
623923;1397480290;mircea_popescu;;;notes mirceau_popescu
623924;1397480291;gribble;Sent 6 days, 10 hours, and 12 minutes ago: <Mats_cd03> 'challenge and response' meaning encryption, but more specifically encrypted spread-spectrum signals. many consumer drones are equipped with just wifi or bluetooth, which are comparatively easy to attack
623925;1397480310;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03u dood, there's no u in mircea
623926;1397480319;mircea_popescu;;;notes MmmmYah
623927;1397480319;gribble;Sent 1 day, 17 hours, and 39 minutes ago: <RBecker> Scammer on your nick - you may want to register MmmmmYah
623928;1397480330;dexX7;where do those notes come from?
623929;1397480332;mircea_popescu;;;notes princessnell
623930;1397480333;gribble;Sent 3 days, 14 hours, and 53 minutes ago: <benkay> it's actually gpg keys which are tied to mpex accounts and Sent 3 days, 14 hours, and 51 minutes ago: <benkay> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-04-2014&bots=true#614499
623931;1397480343;mircea_popescu;ahaha! check out the GRIBBLE HEARTBLEED
623932;1397480345;pankkake;oh you can see them that way… I know I missed one with a typo and it must have expired
623933;1397480365;ThickAsThieves;lol
623934;1397480369;pankkake;;;notes later
623935;1397480369;gribble;Sent 1 week, 6 days, 11 hours, and 13 minutes ago: <Guest75380> tell later tell and Sent 1 week, 6 days, 11 hours, and 10 minutes ago: <kyrio> later
623936;1397480376;ThickAsThieves;the gribble dribble!
623937;1397480380;mircea_popescu;lol
623938;1397480417;ThickAsThieves;imagine all the scandal we missed in the past
623939;1397480445;TestingUnoDosTre;Mirceauauu, could I'm a professional reporter from blog XYZ, could I speak with you privately? It's urgent
623940;1397480599;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00096032 = 5.6659 BTC [-]
623941;1397480660;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.03549988 = 0.6035 BTC [+]
623942;1397480941;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre orly.
623943;1397481604;jurov;fluffypony: is the squatter doing anytihng interesting?
623944;1397481636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12831 @ 0.00095586 = 12.2646 BTC [-]
623945;1397481820;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
623946;1397481992;fluffypony;jurov: he was hurling insults at Ssateneth for kbanning him
623947;1397481994;fluffypony;but other than that, no
623948;1397482186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00095643 = 10.2338 BTC [+] {2} 
623949;1397482425;mircea_popescu;!up Skirmant
623950;1397482425;assbot;Voicing Skirmant for 30 minutes.
623951;1397482613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00095649 = 1.4826 BTC [+]
623952;1397482674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00096273 = 8.472 BTC [+]
623953;1397482674;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.066574 = 0.1331 BTC [-]
623954;1397482735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.06637023 = 1.9247 BTC [-] {3} 
623955;1397482891;mircea_popescu;and now for mah favourite part of the day : the reading of the logs!
623956;1397482995;mircea_popescu;artifexd it's an educated guess, like anything else. the educated part is significant, but i've not published it. it's a complicated thing, this. i tend to readily publish the dirt on actors when they fuck up, like the sec misadventure. but it's kind-of unsportsmanlike to do the same when they're just acting rationally. anyway, complicated matter.
623957;1397483039;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/ << this, you'll probably appreciate.
623958;1397483040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04974999 = 0.199 BTC [-] {2} 
623959;1397483041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03411021 = 0.1023 BTC [-]
623960;1397483194;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
623961;1397483194;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095586 / 0.0009635 / 0.00096987 (805817 shares, 776.41 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00097238 / 0.00101 (3481630 shares, 3,385.49 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00092512 / 0.00101 (23293181 shares, 21,549.14 BTC)
623962;1397483448;mircea_popescu;!up jadne
623963;1397483448;assbot;Voicing jadne for 30 minutes.
623964;1397483460;mircea_popescu;anyone remembers how registering with gribble actually works ?
623965;1397483464;mircea_popescu;i've pretty much forgotten
623966;1397483467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5789 @ 0.000963 = 5.5748 BTC [+] {2} 
623967;1397483485;kakobrekla;;;eregister
623968;1397483486;gribble;(eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)
623969;1397483512;mircea_popescu;;;more
623970;1397483513;gribble;<http://trilema.com/2011/07>
623971;1397483521;mircea_popescu;jadne ^
623972;1397483593;jadne;thx
623973;1397483622;dexX7;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566626.msg6184795#msg6184795 cold storage dildo/plug x_x
623974;1397483624;ozbot;A sneak peak at the future of Bitcoin Cold Storage
623975;1397483635;mircea_popescu;haha srsly ?
623976;1397483650;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.06512838 = 1.8236 BTC [-] {4} 
623977;1397483671;dexX7;it's real
623978;1397483683;mircea_popescu;dexX7 tell crazy rabbit to come over will ya
623979;1397483693;mircea_popescu;ima sponsor his thing
623980;1397483699;dexX7;hahaha really?
623981;1397483709;mircea_popescu;too good to pass
623982;1397483711;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.55998999 = 1.68 BTC [-] {2} 
623983;1397483712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00095586 = 2.4374 BTC [-]
623984;1397483795;dexX7;msg sent
623985;1397483816;mircea_popescu;pankkake you doing that imgboard yet ?
623986;1397484139;nubbins`;neat device
623987;1397484155;nubbins`;^ so much work for two words ;(
623988;1397484174;mircea_popescu;lol
623989;1397484185;mircea_popescu;dude it tokk you what, a minute ?
623990;1397484199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03545567 = 0.5318 BTC [+] {3} 
623991;1397484200;mircea_popescu;that's like... a quarter ?
623992;1397484256;bounce;http://bitcloudproject.org/
623993;1397484257;ozbot;Bitcloud
623994;1397484305;mircea_popescu;bounce youre trolling right ?
623995;1397484336;bounce;apparently they've been at it for months, not getting anywhere, and now are looking for funding?
623996;1397484352;nubbins`;50 seconds ;(
623997;1397484358;nubbins`;my time is precious D;
623998;1397484367;mircea_popescu;"I'll be making money in the form of a small percentage of grid income, since I will establish myself as an active and effective grid owner of one of the most advanced grids out there.  Maybe I'll also have a few DA's that are easily supported by the Bitcloud platform, too."
623999;1397484382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00095586 = 5.0661 BTC [-]
624000;1397484386;mircea_popescu;wait, no submarines ? i liked the submarines and dukedoms and reversed true/false numeric values idea better
624001;1397484402;Anduck;their faq doesnt work
624002;1397484403;mircea_popescu;this is just watered down what'shisname
624003;1397484405;nubbins`;lel, +0
624004;1397484410;mircea_popescu;!up zoinky
624005;1397484410;assbot;Voicing zoinky for 30 minutes.
624006;1397484414;nubbins`;(see what i did there?)
624007;1397484435;bounce;+0 and -0, 'cuz all you need is the sign, right?
624008;1397484437;jurov;you mean urbait?
624009;1397484442;mircea_popescu;urbit there we go
624010;1397484463;mircea_popescu;the only project in history to have actually fielded leaky submarines.
624011;1397484467;mircea_popescu;imagine the fun on board!
624012;1397484500;bounce;did urbit make it to the bbc, boing boing, something I can't decipher, wired, el grauniad, AND tech radar?
624013;1397484526;mircea_popescu;lol. i see what you did there!
624014;1397484538;mircea_popescu;but srsly, it had splendid media exposure. pretty much anyone who's someone in it had heard of it.
624015;1397484557;mircea_popescu;in that respect gotta hand it to the guy : one of the best launches i've seen.
624016;1397484581;mircea_popescu;that's rare. competent marketer that for some incomprehensible reason figures he's a thinking man.
624017;1397484588;*;bounce did a quick search on log., didn't turn up much.
624018;1397484645;bounce;so hire'im on condition he only thinks about marketeering, and leaves the other pretense at the door.
624019;1397484667;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#473636
624020;1397484669;mircea_popescu;like that ?
624021;1397484671;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
624022;1397484687;mircea_popescu;bounce too drunk on his own farts to be hireable.
624023;1397484765;joecool;hm cloud to butt really improves this log
624024;1397484771;joecool;03:27:08herbijudlestoids:bitbutt has nothing.
624025;1397484772;joecool;03:27:19mircea_popescu:but bitbutt has bit and butt
624026;1397484793;joecool;goes along with the farts
624027;1397484809;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03411129 = 0.5117 BTC [-] {3} 
624028;1397484810;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06321585 = 0.4425 BTC [-] {2} 
624029;1397484863;kakobrekla;<dexX7> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566626.msg6184795#msg6184795 cold storage dildo/plug x_x
624030;1397484870;kakobrekla;is this really a dildo?
624031;1397484880;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla for loose women.
624032;1397484885;kakobrekla;i dont understand that device at all
624033;1397484892;kakobrekla;it shines but where are the keys ?
624034;1397484900;mircea_popescu;upup
624035;1397484903;mircea_popescu;indabutt
624036;1397484903;dexX7;there is a nfc chip inside
624037;1397484906;bounce;apparently my google-fu is lacking. anyway, $source thinks they need to go down before they manage to rake in funding. that'd be the message.
624038;1397484927;mircea_popescu;bounce that didn't parse
624039;1397484946;jurov;someone actually acted on the hookers+microphone proposal?
624040;1397484964;jurov;as in, the dildo must actually be used when signing the tx?
624041;1397484992;jurov;I APPROVE
624042;1397485001;mircea_popescu;"here's this bit of plastic. make it orgasm, you may spend your bitcoin. otherwise... make someone else orgasm, spend their bitcoin"
624043;1397485004;mircea_popescu;radical whoredom.
624044;1397485014;dexX7;i think it's more like "store your key, come back later, restore key"
624045;1397485029;mircea_popescu;wait. to restore means to store again or to unstore ?!
624046;1397485063;bounce;"retrieve coins" would be the point, I suppose. which apparently involves destroying the thing.
624047;1397485097;dexX7;:D
624048;1397485101;dexX7;it means this thing does not sign anything
624049;1397485131;mircea_popescu;you know, lulz and jokes aside, a permanent insertion is fucking uncomfortable.
624050;1397485167;TestingUnoDosTre;So does it generate a tx when broken, or does I have some wallet file stored inside?
624051;1397485206;mircea_popescu;seems to me like it's a normal usb stick encased in a plastic frame
624052;1397485223;dexX7;replace usb with nfc and plastic with glass
624053;1397485232;mircea_popescu;mine's cheaper.
624054;1397485239;dexX7;probably not as shiny
624055;1397485282;TestingUnoDosTre;I can smash your usb and gain access to your bitcoins!? Now that's a true brute force
624056;1397485302;mircea_popescu;first you gotta ravish her couch
624057;1397485304;mircea_popescu;cooch*
624058;1397485353;TestingUnoDosTre;With the device? If so, usb probly is more secure
624059;1397485358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04813328 = 0.1925 BTC [-]
624060;1397485360;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0635 = 0.381 BTC [+]
624061;1397485374;mircea_popescu;i guess the next logical step is silicone implants
624062;1397485389;mircea_popescu;ultimate saving device : you will take thoise out once you're old.
624063;1397485396;mircea_popescu;at which point, your bitcoin savings become spendable.
624064;1397485516;TestingUnoDosTre;Now that's something I would invest in
624065;1397485570;mircea_popescu;srsly. this really should be part of obamacare. any woman over 30 may get her tits fixed, take the stuff out upon retirement.
624066;1397485663;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55998998 BTC [-]
624067;1397485665;TestingUnoDosTre;Over 30? That seems a little steep
624068;1397485698;mircea_popescu;why ?
624069;1397485716;mircea_popescu;dub actually romania had a seismologist who went on tv and predicted an earthquake. fucking panic ensued
624070;1397485722;mircea_popescu;then no earthquake.
624071;1397485757;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wheat << neato.
624072;1397485778;mircea_popescu;i am going to explain EVERYTHING(tm) before i'm done, i tell you.
624073;1397485819;mircea_popescu;or at least make such a complete mess of everything nobody'll be able to entangle it and everyone'll just move on to another language.
624074;1397485830;mircea_popescu;(this, incidentally, has already happened numerous times in history)
624075;1397485857;TestingUnoDosTre;And then acronyms came and fixed it all
624076;1397485934;mircea_popescu;Indubitably Necessarily Definitely Exactly Exactly Definitely.
624077;1397485989;mircea_popescu;artifexd:
624078;1397485989;mircea_popescu;Here, mircea and I should not exist in the same caste. I'm just a normal dude. He's a Romanian Billionare. WITH A B! I can conceive of no reason that someone that high up the food chain would give two shits about what I think or why I think it. << it's the internet, dood. why else did you think it was revolutionary ?
624079;1397486026;TestingUnoDosTre;Because it haz cat pix
624080;1397486027;bounce;so, egalite for everyone?
624081;1397486077;mircea_popescu;bounce no, but we can still talk. either are excesses : omg can't talk to no-one except other rear admirals / omg everyone i talk to is exactly like me. middle fucking bitcoineus i say!
624082;1397486233;mircea_popescu;artifexd: Because, seriously, who the fuck am I? << you were here at the right time lol. what the fuck do you imagine a barony is ? exactly that, review the early english history :D
624083;1397486249;bounce;"we're not worthy!" qv. wayne's world.
624084;1397486296;mircea_popescu;i don't think i saw wayne's world
624085;1397486397;bounce;apropos, that nurture-not-nature for elitism argument isn't very well developed. nice examples, but I don't see'em supporting the premise.
624086;1397486444;mircea_popescu;do you understand the difference between a good and a not so good bug report ?
624087;1397486548;bounce;:-)
624088;1397486802;nubbins`;some years ago, a "seer" predicted a huge tsunami would hit here
624089;1397486810;nubbins`;everyone went down to the waterfront to watch it come in ;(
624090;1397486821;mircea_popescu;lol
624091;1397486850;mike_c;!up los_pantalones
624092;1397486850;assbot;Voicing los_pantalones for 30 minutes.
624093;1397486883;mike_c;los_pantalones: if you're working on that, something that I have always felt about exponential time decay is that it is really no better than just closing the bet early.
624094;1397486896;mike_c;so if you can disprove that, it would be interesting.
624095;1397486976;mike_c;!up peterl
624096;1397486976;assbot;Voicing peterl for 30 minutes.
624097;1397486997;bounce;afraid I'm gonna have to do a writeup. n'mind until then.
624098;1397487005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00095582 = 3.3454 BTC [-]
624099;1397487020;mircea_popescu;bounce publish on your blog, link to the offensive thing, omfg we're creating value out of nowhere!
624100;1397487073;peterl;There are probably different results if the resolution date is known (like X will win on such date) vs bets with unknown and possibly early resolving dates (like X will stay above Y until such date)
624101;1397487113;peterl;you might need two separate mathematical models to analyse the two different types of bets?
624102;1397487199;artifexd;http://weknowmemes.com/generator/uploads/generated/g135235011877110170.jpg
624103;1397487212;mircea_popescu;peterl prolly.
624104;1397487859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2740 @ 0.0001204 = 0.3299 BTC [+] {2} 
624105;1397487879;los_pantalones;up!
624106;1397487895;los_pantalones;mike_c can you close a bet on bitbet?
624107;1397487898;los_pantalones;you have to take the other side
624108;1397487904;los_pantalones;and both your bets sit in escrow
624109;1397487906;los_pantalones;until resolution
624110;1397487908;los_pantalones;right?
624111;1397487913;mike_c;right
624112;1397487921;los_pantalones;so, there is opportunity cost
624113;1397487937;los_pantalones;traditionally, closing your bet would give you all your money back
624114;1397487944;los_pantalones;so i would venture to guess you are right
624115;1397487950;los_pantalones;but in this case there is a penalty to closing your bet
624116;1397487953;los_pantalones;in added margining
624117;1397487981;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03410866 = 0.2388 BTC [-] {2} 
624118;1397487985;los_pantalones;i haven't bet anything on bitbet yet so if i sound like a total idiot, i'm sorry
624119;1397487997;los_pantalones;just started looking into it and was trying to get my head around some of the bigger bets
624120;1397488004;mike_c;not sure what you mean by traditionally.  generally in betting you can only close your bet by taking the other side
624121;1397488014;mike_c;like getting a middle in sports betting
624122;1397488038;los_pantalones;i only know financial and phys commodities markets
624123;1397488052;los_pantalones;in which case you have no position on and all your cash
624124;1397488057;los_pantalones;to reinvest / spend elsewhere
624125;1397488070;mike_c;yes, this is different because you can't sell a position.
624126;1397488074;los_pantalones;right
624127;1397488088;los_pantalones;so there is a big opportunity cost of taking the other side
624128;1397488109;los_pantalones;wouldn't that also increase liquidity on the other side of the bet
624129;1397488118;los_pantalones;perhaps incenting more players
624130;1397488130;los_pantalones;thus decreasing your payout
624131;1397488136;los_pantalones;is it equiv? are you still flat?
624132;1397488142;los_pantalones;or can someone expose you by betting later?
624133;1397488162;los_pantalones;do you have to constantly reweight the size of your other side ?
624134;1397488186;mike_c;i would think that would be the case.  i would welcome an analysis of that topic with numbers and examples :)
624135;1397488194;kakobrekla;<mike_c> yes, this is different because you can't sell a position. < its taking awfully long for someone to code that.
624136;1397488203;los_pantalones;ok
624137;1397488210;TestingUnoDosTre;Oooh reselling bitbet positions, I like this idea
624138;1397488226;mike_c;bitbet is fertile ground for add-on projects.
624139;1397488774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00095624 = 8.3193 BTC [+] {2} 
624140;1397488774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 24 @ 0.08299776 = 1.9919 BTC [-]
624141;1397488877;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=570248.0
624142;1397488878;ozbot;bitstamp - API woes
624143;1397488880;kakobrekla;lol
624144;1397488917;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay http://trilema.com/2014/the-discreet-escort-or-how-bitcoin-makes-prostitution-unprosecutable/ ask and ye shall receive.
624145;1397488918;gribble;The operation succeeded.
624146;1397488931;kakobrekla;>API calls are returning a captcha page. Regular visits to the site do so as well, but unlike me, my bot is unable to solve the captcha on its own.
624147;1397488958;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06692776 = 0.1339 BTC [+]
624148;1397488999;mircea_popescu;"Why run an API through Incapsula?"
624149;1397489006;mircea_popescu;i think the answer is self-oblivious.
624150;1397489066;mircea_popescu;!up arizona
624151;1397489066;assbot;Voicing arizona for 30 minutes.
624152;1397489079;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
624153;1397489140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
624154;1397489207;mike_c;the mediawiki scammers have bots that solve captcha.  apparently that is more important than bitstamp.
624155;1397489428;mircea_popescu;mike_c or more widely deployed
624156;1397489447;arizona;Hello?
624157;1397489454;kakobrekla;yes, this is dog.
624158;1397489487;arizona;Thank you
624159;1397489488;mircea_popescu;are you a hot blonde with a sister whose name is alabama and was played by patricia arquette in tarantino's movie ?
624160;1397489556;arizona;Oh, no.  LOL.
624161;1397489566;thestringpuller;dog, this is cat, i have some bad news.
624162;1397489594;mircea_popescu;a well. wrong arizona then :p
624163;1397489628;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0669101 = 0.2676 BTC [-]
624164;1397489629;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03343332 = 0.1003 BTC [-] {3} 
624165;1397489630;benkay;Namworld:Assuming Karpeles doesn't get to keep his 100k that he "also lost" << oh, he will. "what bitcoins?"
624166;1397489630;arizona;I don't say much here.  I enjoy reading and learning.   I like your columns, Mr. Popescu.  You are a very good writer.
624167;1397489668;mircea_popescu;why ty.
624168;1397489721;*;mircea_popescu pets dog & gives it a cookie
624169;1397489760;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre: Does mp use bitstamp? << naw.
624170;1397489786;mircea_popescu;also, atc is a currency.
624171;1397489799;mircea_popescu;unlike bitcoin, which is not. complicated shit.
624172;1397489885;thestringpuller;benkay: bitcoin isn't a currency anymore?
624173;1397489888;thestringpuller;oops
624174;1397489895;thestringpuller;@ mircea_popescu **
624175;1397489933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5588452 = 1.1177 BTC [-] {2} 
624176;1397489941;mircea_popescu;not anymore than chocolate gold coins
624177;1397489958;thestringpuller;what makes atc a currency then?
624178;1397489968;BingoBoingo;Magic
624179;1397490032;thestringpuller;oh boy i love magic
624180;1397490082;mircea_popescu;Namworld:Depends on the sort of capital they have. Gox's name isn't what's doomed. << you gotta be kiddin' me.
624181;1397490091;mircea_popescu;!up justusranvier
624182;1397490091;assbot;Voicing justusranvier for 30 minutes.
624183;1397490209;mircea_popescu;"Is this still being mined.... I mined it when it had a coingen.io logo still and No source hahahaha"
624184;1397490219;mircea_popescu;lol. longest lived altcoin in history ?
624185;1397490238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55884505 BTC [-]
624186;1397490262;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you makin' a killing on this thing yet ? :D
624187;1397490283;Apocalyptic;I heard the price is up 50% from last week, he better :)
624188;1397490290;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Not a killing, but steady incremental gains
624189;1397490297;mircea_popescu;even better.
624190;1397490360;BingoBoingo;I've just been locking the price into a range I find sustainable and magic happens
624191;1397490483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00095521 = 5.779 BTC [-] {2} 
624192;1397490513;benkay;why is altcoin a currency and bitcoin not?
624193;1397490544;mike_c;my take: altcoin is made for spending, bitcoin is made for storing wealth.
624194;1397490710;mircea_popescu;benkay i'm just being steganographical. see because sometimes the things i say are in reality secret messages for uknown third parties according to secret schemes of encoding and so forth.
624195;1397490716;mircea_popescu;!up kill-9all
624196;1397490716;assbot;Voicing kill-9all for 30 minutes.
624197;1397490726;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 486 @ 0.14 = 68.04 BTC
624198;1397490803;danielpbarron;IRS says BTC isn't a currency so that's that
624199;1397490804;mircea_popescu;in other news,
624200;1397490804;mircea_popescu;http://www.havenews.com/news/local-news/havelock-police-bust-party-charge-mother-teens-with-alcohol-offenses-1.301928
624201;1397490805;ozbot;Havelock police bust party, charge mother, teens with alcohol offenses - Local News - The Havelock N
624202;1397490909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00095473 = 0.4774 BTC [-]
624203;1397490922;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
624204;1397490931;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 461.64, vol: 30525.08907856 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 453.614, vol: 33919.59096 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 460.0, vol: 27660.53353995 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 465.0, vol: 89.34675802 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 458.622504, vol: 7258.83710000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 444.50001, vol: 46.30923683 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 449.215, vol: 170.96622989 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
624205;1397490935;danielpbarron;"The juveniles told the officers that there was a party that was out of control and people were drinking and smoking weed" NARCS!
624206;1397490942;benkay;why is it crashing?
624207;1397490965;benkay;whatever happened to 'cops are coming - run!'
624208;1397490967;benkay;?
624209;1397490990;thestringpuller;money i$ king
624210;1397491165;mircea_popescu;"VCs plow $46 million more into writing community Wattpad --> it's like Youtube for stories"
624211;1397491170;mircea_popescu;holy shit.
624212;1397491170;TestingUnoDosTre;Haha marijuana in the toilet bowl. Gotta torch the evidence, newbies
624213;1397491176;mircea_popescu;it's like canning for farts.
624214;1397491196;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre they were prolly doing bath salts
624215;1397491214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.41934336 BTC to 8`322 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
624216;1397491284;TestingUnoDosTre;Fun fact: someone I know sent to a dispensary in Denver that sold bath salts, but the cashier had to warn" not the ones you're thinking of"
624217;1397491292;mircea_popescu;so citi conference call, all they want to talk about is how they're cutting costs.
624218;1397491311;mircea_popescu;fucking kiss of death, this, only commodified businesses have the time. finance is dead.
624219;1397491412;thestringpuller;^- well that's good to hear no?
624220;1397491455;mircea_popescu;depends. not if you're invested in citi.
624221;1397491470;mircea_popescu;in other-other news, the us preparing for electricity rationing :
624222;1397491470;mircea_popescu;http://www.vox.com/2014/4/14/5604992/us-power-grid-vulnerability
624223;1397491471;ozbot;It's way too easy to cause a massive blackout in the US - Vox
624224;1397491491;mircea_popescu;it's gonna be a long hot summer boys and girls. no better way to get the masses to believe in global warming than keeping them without ac for a summer.
624225;1397491508;mircea_popescu;likely to hit the south the worst, too, which is ideal on at least two counts.
624226;1397491555;TestingUnoDosTre;Why so?
624227;1397491557;benkay;a sniper opened fire on an electric(al) substation?
624228;1397491562;benkay;dude.
624229;1397491563;benkay;no.
624230;1397491573;benkay;okay i get journos are tarded.
624231;1397491577;benkay;get it
624232;1397491590;fluffypony;the Electricity Ninja cometh...
624233;1397491599;benkay;oh god vox.com
624234;1397491631;danielpbarron;i prefer to go without AC; I like being out in the sun while the summer lasts
624235;1397491649;danielpbarron;but i'm in "the north," so that's easier for me to say
624236;1397491693;benkay;http://operationmutualaid1.webs.com/
624237;1397491693;ozbot;OPERATION MUTUAL AID
624238;1397491700;mircea_popescu;s/1/s/
624239;1397491715;bounce;what was it again, guaranteed (low) prices for consumers and "free market" stupidity for suppliers, in california, that led to under-investing in infrastructure and utilities basically bleeding themselves dry, leading to years to come full of brownouts and blackouts
624240;1397491764;mircea_popescu;something like that.
624241;1397491775;Apocalyptic;<benkay> a sniper opened fire on an electric(al) substation? << sounds legit
624242;1397491788;mircea_popescu;plus absurdistan ecological regulations, like being criminally responsible for birds flying into your intake vents
624243;1397491793;benkay;coulda sworn it was assault rifles Apocalyptic
624244;1397491797;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic this was an actual event btw.
624245;1397491799;bounce;you really need no "sniper" people (or just people with a fork lift driving into a high voltage mast, as happened elsewhere) for an unstable grid. politicians will do just fine.
624246;1397491808;benkay;and at close range
624247;1397491822;mircea_popescu;it was assault rifles, and at close range.
624248;1397491825;benkay;(how the fuck do you snipe *anything* inside a substation - lines of sight have to be like 20ft max)
624249;1397491840;mircea_popescu;they're conveniently forgetting to mention the ominous part where the attackers disabled the security with minimal, expert moves.
624250;1397491852;bounce;assault rifles are still a bit of a poor choice. wrenches do better.
624251;1397491864;bounce;or squirrels, for that matter.
624252;1397491865;mircea_popescu;bounce how so ? do the energy calc.
624253;1397491881;mircea_popescu;or you mean "wrenches" as in, "lengths of chain"
624254;1397491902;benkay;http://operationmutualaid1.webs.com/apps/forums/show/7020492-general-discussion
624255;1397491903;ozbot;General Discussion
624256;1397491905;benkay;i want a bitmilitia.
624257;1397491938;bounce;or that. anything to cause a nice electrical fire. bullets have a harder time there, despite their awesome speed. substations are like that.
624258;1397491939;mircea_popescu;http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/247525/sun-times-kills-comments-until-it-can-fix-morass-of-negativity-racism-and-hate-speech/
624259;1397491940;ozbot;Sun-Times kills comments until it can fix ‘morass of negativity, racism, and hate speech’ | Poyn
624260;1397491949;mircea_popescu;herpy derp. how about fixing butthurt.
624261;1397491962;Apocalyptic;too much butts to fix
624262;1397491969;mircea_popescu;bounce not really. all the bullet needs to do is perforate the coolant room. anywhere.
624263;1397491977;mircea_popescu;the thing goes offline w/o coolant.
624264;1397492035;mircea_popescu;and because of ecological concerns, old style coolant mixtures that were azerotropic were replaced with new, more expensive formulations. a punctured coolant room means you have to empty, was and refill.
624265;1397492040;mircea_popescu;you cant just top up and seal.
624266;1397492110;bounce;hm. burned to the ground or shut down by regulations. alright, the red tape wins.
624267;1397492112;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic i wonder if they'll do a wot-based +m :D
624268;1397492130;mircea_popescu;bounce it's not trivial to actually burn down a modern transformer.
624269;1397492200;Apocalyptic;mircea, prolly not :)
624270;1397492239;TestingUnoDosTre;There IS more than meets the eye
624271;1397492244;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy, "this newspaper closed until we can find some not-retartded people to read it"
624272;1397492252;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5591588 BTC [+]
624273;1397492302;bounce;I'm reminded of the register, where they used to moderate each and every comment, and then gradually lifted the requirement. they have a reasonably vibrant commenter community, without requiring facebook or real names or what-have-you.
624274;1397492364;mircea_popescu;i still think discussion is impossible absent identity.
624275;1397492378;mircea_popescu;it doesn't have to be "real", because wtf is that real mean, but it does have to be identity.
624276;1397492405;benkay;disqus: your friendly omnicient identity broker.
624277;1397492420;mircea_popescu;hardly.
624278;1397492422;mircea_popescu;"The magazine couldn’t afford moderators, as many news organizations can’t." herp.
624279;1397492439;mircea_popescu;but if you can't afford what you need, isn't that an indication that you shouldn't be doing what you're doing ?
624280;1397492440;TestingUnoDosTre;Or editors for that matter
624281;1397492444;mircea_popescu;why do people's brains not work ?
624282;1397492458;bounce;there's places that allow 'true' unnamed discussion and have it work fine, too
624283;1397492480;mircea_popescu;4chan ?
624284;1397492494;mircea_popescu;only one i can think of. and the definition of "fine" must be pretty... broad.
624285;1397492518;mircea_popescu;(read that again. fine = pretty broad. jesus i fucking love myself har har har)
624286;1397492538;BingoBoingo;http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/04/14/new_sipri_data_russia_china_and_saudi_arabia_dramatically_increase_arms.html
624287;1397492538;ozbot;New SIPRI data: Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia dramatically increase arms spending.
624288;1397492563;mircea_popescu;ouch. wasn't china already spending a lot ?
624289;1397492567;danielpbarron;heh
624290;1397492586;bounce;not just 4chan. slashdot is another
624291;1397492608;BingoBoingo;Yeah
624292;1397492618;BingoBoingo;Now it is a lot-er
624293;1397492692;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo and the thing is, god help you if you sell the chinese golden toilets. afaik nobody got shot when it was discovered haliburton "misplaced" 1 bn in the various senatorial etc campaign slushfunds in iraq
624294;1397492706;mircea_popescu;yet the chinese routinely shoot people for 1mn
624295;1397492925;TestingUnoDosTre;Maybe even 1 mn yen
624296;1397492963;bounce;interesting to see the differences. as an up-and-coming empire they're occasionally serious about appearing to be a functional government (as well as not that respectful of human life; they feel they have too many people running around already), where the US, er, works a bit differently.
624297;1397493044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0667868 = 0.2671 BTC [-]
624298;1397493349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.53462729 = 14.4349 BTC [-] {13} 
624299;1397493684;TestingUnoDosTre;My bank claims to use no openNESS. Any easy way to verify this claim?
624300;1397493943;mike_c;test its servers for heartbleed?
624301;1397494013;mircea_popescu;bounce the little known fact is that china was always the world's empire.
624302;1397494025;mircea_popescu;what the us pretends for itself, china has been, for the past ~5000 years
624303;1397494040;mircea_popescu;with temporary century-long interruptions due to invasions and whatnot. it always reverted.
624304;1397494068;benkay;everything oscillates. there is no such thing as steady state in natural systems.
624305;1397494095;mircea_popescu;sure there is. the steady state of humans is being dead.
624306;1397494101;benkay;pff
624307;1397494103;benkay;decomposition
624308;1397494106;mircea_popescu;the steady state of planet earth is china being teh world empire
624309;1397494117;benkay;for a century at a time with interruptions
624310;1397494123;benkay;doesn't sound so steady to me
624311;1397494126;mircea_popescu;benkay no but on the naively nominalist view that "you" existed sincer forever and will exist forever. soul or w/e.
624312;1397494150;benkay;just a mass of undifferentiated atoms banging off each other
624313;1397494169;mircea_popescu;in that physicalist view you'll have trouble showing people even exist at all.
624314;1397494170;benkay;don't bring that mystical claptrap around here
624315;1397494184;benkay;yeah well what is a people?
624316;1397494194;benkay;does free agency exist?
624317;1397494262;mircea_popescu;or in the words of tornatore (uomo delle stelle), "e il mondo vero, or solo per finta ?"
624318;1397494264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.03257696 = 1.075 BTC [-] {4} 
624319;1397494276;mircea_popescu;which incidentally is a great film.
624320;1397494332;bounce;china was always quite a lot self-centered. this appears to be a bit less the case of late.
624321;1397494354;mircea_popescu;maybe. hard to tell really.
624322;1397494413;TestingUnoDosTre;Translate the tornatore
624323;1397494465;jurov;bounce they need to secure oil and other supplies from others
624324;1397494466;mircea_popescu;is the world for real, or just pretense ?
624325;1397494486;bounce;it's all make believe whichever way you look at it
624326;1397494504;bounce;doesn't stop shit from getting real, though
624327;1397494531;TestingUnoDosTre;Hahaha
624328;1397494533;mircea_popescu;bounce guy saying is a shepherd.
624329;1397494563;benkay;well the things are real. the constructs i wrap around them are just figments of my own mind.
624330;1397494565;mircea_popescu;who doesn't think farmers understand, because for shephers... c'e diverso. e con le stelle, uno puo parlare.
624331;1397494785;bounce;I think I'm missing context here.
624332;1397494830;bounce;anyway, china going communist has, well, at least given a different flavour to the thing. wonder if and when they're going to do something about that
624333;1397494861;mircea_popescu;i don't think they were ever anything else.
624334;1397494892;mircea_popescu;buncha equal peons, and the emperor drunk out of his mind. between these, a bureaucracy, completely arbitrarily "educated" by rote.
624335;1397494901;mircea_popescu;this has been china for pretty much the entire interval
624336;1397494918;mircea_popescu;even things the russians mistake for "slav spirit" are about as chinese as it can be.
624337;1397494928;mircea_popescu;the mir is definitely stolen from them
624338;1397494935;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03363737 = 0.2691 BTC [+] {5} 
624339;1397494969;bounce;you're saying that communism has turned out irrelevant to the chinese
624340;1397494986;mircea_popescu;sorta like rice flavouring.
624341;1397494990;mircea_popescu;they were eating rice anyway.
624342;1397494995;mircea_popescu;rice flavoured rice is like...
624343;1397495095;bounce;they did used to have technology, like that earthquake detector, that they subsequently forgot how to make work. bit sloppy for a state to forget its own achievements, and not even the excuse of getting toppled and replaced
624344;1397495115;mircea_popescu;what's this ? the sheep bladder system ?
624345;1397495182;bounce;wooden octagonal thingy with stone balls, IIRC
624346;1397495290;BingoBoingo;http://gawker.com/norwegian-fisherman-discovers-dildo-inside-cod-stomach-1562947859
624347;1397495291;ozbot;Norwegian Fisherman Discovers Dildo Inside Cod Stomach
624348;1397495299;mircea_popescu;http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0032689/quotes
624349;1397495300;ozbot;Sir Bedevere (Character)  - Quotes
624350;1397495329;mircea_popescu;lol. think of the implications had they discovered it in the cod's tail rather than stomach.
624351;1397495411;TestingUnoDosTre;He found a cold storage wallet!?!
624352;1397495423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 250 @ 0.14 = 35 BTC
624353;1397495431;mircea_popescu;a cod storage wallet.
624354;1397495711;BingoBoingo;http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/rotterdams-meisje-opgepakt-na-twitteren-over-aanslag
624355;1397495712;ozbot;Rotterdams meisje opgepakt na twitteren over aanslag | RTL Nieuws
624356;1397495721;BingoBoingo;14 year old was arrested for tweets
624357;1397495764;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "If I believe at any point there is value or use in them I can just… take… them. If experience is any guide, I shall take them the next day" << do you reccommend that as a general strategy?
624358;1397495789;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.03209898 = 0.6099 BTC [-]
624359;1397495805;dexX7;tweet to american airlines: "Hi my name is Ibrahim and I am from Afghanistan I am part of al-Qaeda, and on June 1, I'm going to do something really big day. . "
624360;1397495850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
624361;1397495852;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06690869 = 0.2007 BTC [+]
624362;1397495869;pankkake;all tweets should be illegal anyway. also http://slashdot.org/story/14/04/14/0122203/44-of-twitter-users-have-never-tweeted
624363;1397495910;bounce;the great unwashed and shutting up. there's an idea. though we'd be left with spambots. indiscernible, perhaps, but not an improvement.
624364;1397496094;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.033 = 0.165 BTC [+]
624365;1397496108;asciilifeform;lolz, i get up for half a day and come back to 'btc arsesafe is actual product'
624366;1397496262;ThickAsThieves;"winners" list from OneSpark, if anyone is interested http://www.beonespark.com/results
624367;1397496339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00095505 = 12.0814 BTC [+] {2} 
624368;1397496392;asciilifeform;;;google rectal houdini
624369;1397496393;gribble;Seriously Savage Rectal Houdini Kit | Tools | Gear - LikeCOOL: <http://www.likecool.com/Seriously_Savage_Rectal_Houdini_Kit--Tools--Gear.html>; Nerdcore › CIAs vintage rectal Escape Kit from the 60s: <http://www.crackajack.de/2011/03/25/cias-vintage-rectal-escape-kit-from-the-60s/>; Tools of Tradecraft: More Spy Gear From the CIA, Others | Threat ...: (1 more message)
624370;1397496399;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4241 @ 0.00095774 = 4.0618 BTC [+]
624371;1397496439;pankkake;I think I saw a butt plug where you could store things
624372;1397496463;pankkake;or maybe you can commission the rosebud guy
624373;1397496493;rithm;100% assanine
624374;1397496522;pankkake;mircea_popescu: about the image board thing, I don't know if there is an actual demand. I'll see how expensive (in terms of maintenance) it is in the coming days
624375;1397496604;pankkake;apparently danny let a cat die
624376;1397496798;asciilifeform;lolmatic:
624377;1397496799;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/04/goldman-sachs-code-thief-02.htm
624378;1397497070;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 930 @ 0.00095473 = 0.8879 BTC [-]
624379;1397497399;asciilifeform;re: 'code thief' - when people say, 'X can also have problems,' that doesn't necessarily mean 'car bomb.' it can also look like this.
624380;1397497544;thestringpuller;;;calc ( 0.00096593 - 0.00095473 ) / 0.00096593
624381;1397497544;gribble;0.0115950431191
624382;1397497569;thestringpuller;$depth mpoe
624383;1397497570;mpexbot;thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['3594 @ 0.00095473', '6900 @ 0.000954', '4750 @ 0.00095391', '3600 @ 0.00095351', '12050 @ 0.00095346']
624384;1397497571;mpexbot;thestringpuller: Asks: ['10717 @ 0.00095774', '12500 @ 0.00095895', '11133 @ 0.00096093', '10800 @ 0.00096172', '11742 @ 0.00096218']
624385;1397497741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00095422 = 10.9735 BTC [-] {3} 
624386;1397498047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00095774 = 8.5239 BTC [+]
624387;1397499006;BingoBoingo;http://gawker.com/oberlin-debates-wisdom-of-trigger-warnings-on-every-las-1562955196
624388;1397499006;ozbot;Oberlin Debates Wisdom of Trigger Warnings on Every Last Thing
624389;1397499206;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0650101 = 0.6501 BTC [-]
624390;1397499388;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06575599 = 0.4603 BTC [+] {2} 
624391;1397499509;asciilifeform;http://gawker.com/the-astounding-conspiracy-theories-of-wall-street-geniu-1561427624
624392;1397499633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10106 @ 0.00095873 = 9.6889 BTC [+] {2} 
624393;1397499675;BingoBoingo;http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/04/14/1144256/mathematicians-use-mossberg-500-pump-action-shotgun-to-calculate-pi
624394;1397499708;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the simplest test of rng bias involves exactly this kind of calculation
624395;1397499713;asciilifeform;'monte carlo pi'
624396;1397499755;asciilifeform;and doesn't everyone remember calculating pi this way, by throwing stones in a chalk circle in square, in grade school ?
624397;1397499767;BingoBoingo;Indeed. It is simply amazing though that it can be done with off the shelf equipment from Walmart's sporting goods section
624398;1397499767;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
624399;1397499777;mike_c;no. where did you go to grade school?
624400;1397499803;asciilifeform;usa, dc area
624401;1397499809;asciilifeform;for 3rd grade and up
624402;1397499814;asciilifeform;even here they have chalk.
624403;1397499818;asciilifeform;and a yard
624404;1397499845;mike_c;i don't think i knew what pi was in 3rd grade.  maybe my memory is faulty.
624405;1397499865;asciilifeform;it wasn't part of the curriculum, as far as i recall
624406;1397499871;asciilifeform;but chalk was permitted
624407;1397499937;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06671067 = 0.467 BTC [+] {3} 
624408;1397499965;BingoBoingo;Really this is just the case of doing something already know yet forgotten and presenting it as a new scoop.
624409;1397499981;asciilifeform;;;google asimov feeling of power
624410;1397499981;gribble;THE FEELING OF POWER by Isaac Asimov Worlds of Science ...: <http://www.math.umn.edu/~rusin018/1271_Fall_2006/extra_1.pdf>; The Feeling of Power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Feeling_of_Power>; MathFiction: The Feeling of Power (Isaac Asimov) - Alex Kasman: <http://kasmana.people.cofc.edu/MATHFICT/mfview.php?callnumber=mf4>
624411;1397500303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4211 @ 0.00095895 = 4.0381 BTC [+]
624412;1397500479;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I think this is probably your strongest case for why x86 has to die
624413;1397500513;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ?
624414;1397500683;BingoBoingo;Well, how much of computing has already been forgotten from things alledging to be curriculums.
624415;1397500693;BingoBoingo;on the subject
624416;1397500776;BingoBoingo;Java programmers who merely stitch together libraries and want embeded chips capable of running Java when a Z80 would be fine
624417;1397500962;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/binarybits/status/455763759907487744
624418;1397500969;FabianB;.d
624419;1397500974;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
624420;1397501043;FabianB;;;bc,stats
624421;1397501045;gribble;Current Blocks: 295844 | Current Difficulty: 6.119726089128147E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 296351 | Next Difficulty In: 507 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 18 hours, 29 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6871339544.06 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.28182
624422;1397501218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06666883 = 0.2667 BTC [-]
624423;1397501747;TestingUnoDosTre;That's not the real Timothy B Lee, right?
624424;1397501817;TestingUnoDosTre;Ahh it's just some knockoff arstechnica writer
624425;1397501895;TestingUnoDosTre;Was worried the world wide web was invented by a guy that just recently wants to format an opinion on password managers. Phew
624426;1397501950;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03206287 = 0.2565 BTC [-] {4} 
624427;1397502011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03058333 = 0.1835 BTC [-] {3} 
624428;1397502072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.05065099 = 0.5065 BTC [+] {7} 
624429;1397502133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00096029 = 11.6195 BTC [+] {2} 
624430;1397502175;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Yeah
624431;1397502326;TestingUnoDosTre;Funny comment from the pi calculation slashdot article" Goddamn mathematician wasting precious ammunition to have a statistics wank-fest after MY goddamn zombie apocalypse?
624432;1397502326;TestingUnoDosTre;I'd put a random distribution of holes in his worthless head!
624433;1397502326;TestingUnoDosTre;"
624434;1397502378;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
624435;1397502499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00096102 = 3.3636 BTC [+] {2} 
624436;1397502865;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.000075 = 0.15 BTC [-]
624437;1397503415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00096159 = 3.5098 BTC [+] {2} 
624438;1397503597;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.55499018 = 27.7495 BTC [+] {8} 
624439;1397503733;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
624440;1397503733;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095391 / 0.00096214 / 0.00096987 (655620 shares, 630.80 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096992 / 0.00101 (3350455 shares, 3,249.69 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00092579 / 0.00101 (23296536 shares, 21,567.88 BTC)
624441;1397504085;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1420 @ 0.000075 = 0.1065 BTC [-]
624442;1397504878;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.030606 = 0.153 BTC [-] {3} 
624443;1397504939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.00534891 = 0.4868 BTC [-]
624444;1397504940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.03003585 = 0.4205 BTC [-] {2} 
624445;1397505000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05146666 = 0.1544 BTC [+] {3} 
624446;1397505122;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [+] {2} 
624447;1397505131;artifexd;http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2602816
624448;1397505145;artifexd;BingoBoingo: Did you write that? ;)
624449;1397505202;artifexd;What happened to ozbot?
624450;1397505276;mike_c;!up ozbot
624451;1397505276;assbot;I don't do bots, mike_c.
624452;1397505294;artifexd;It isn't even in the channel
624453;1397505305;mike_c;it got pissed about the new elitism.
624454;1397505338;artifexd;Maybe it should be renamed to Marvin
624455;1397505345;artifexd;!up mjr_
624456;1397505345;assbot;Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
624457;1397505415;fluffypony;any recommendations for a reasonable VPS provider that won't throw a tantrum if I run a bitcoin node? DigitalOcean want me to provide DNA samples and ownership of my unborn child to allow me to create a new VPS (despite having two hosted with them for the past 18 months)
624458;1397505418;BingoBoingo;artifexd: I did not.
624459;1397505431;pankkake;fluffypony: EDIS
624460;1397505443;artifexd;I knew that. It just seemed like something you would write. Anti-CA and all.
624461;1397505461;fluffypony;pankkake: had an average-ish experience with them a while back, will give them another spin
624462;1397505517;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Well, I probably would have opened it a bit differently.
624463;1397505602;BingoBoingo;I wonder when someone will release a "Vaxberry Pi" credit card sized vax board
624464;1397505628;BingoBoingo;(or other older architectures would be welcome)
624465;1397505671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00095942 = 4.5572 BTC [-] {2} 
624466;1397505706;fluffypony;ooooh, a credit card sized C64 would be magic
624467;1397505770;jurov;fluffypony, gandi?
624468;1397505815;fluffypony;jurov: didn't even know they have a VPS offering
624469;1397505816;fluffypony;sweet
624470;1397505854;benkay;if you're not planning to mine, fluffypony you might try ipxcore
624471;1397505871;fluffypony;benkay: not for mining, just as a spare electrum server
624472;1397505911;benkay;what could go wrong? :D
624473;1397505920;fluffypony;exactly!
624474;1397506178;dub;linode is best
624475;1397506208;Apocalyptic;jurov, are you satisfied with gandi services in general ?
624476;1397506274;jurov;yes. except for one small case where they insist routing of traffic between paris and aws ireland via the US
624477;1397506281;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00095794 = 2.5385 BTC [-]
624478;1397506297;jurov;but i could fix that by using ipv6
624479;1397506323;jurov;and at least they admitted the problem
624480;1397506411;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: More electrum servers is a good thing.
624481;1397506436;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: yup, and I'm not hosting it on any of my dedi boxes if I can avoid it
624482;1397506460;Apocalyptic;<jurov> and at least they admitted the problem // that's not something you see everyday in this industry indeed
624483;1397506464;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03149998 = 0.126 BTC [+] {4} 
624484;1397506611;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: More nodes in general is good. Since I've started playing with electrum, I've become a bit interested in seeing how without a sufficient number of servers its model might approach par with SPV in some ways.
624485;1397506676;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: yeah, and with a sufficient number of nodes it's also good from a privacy perspective
624486;1397506685;fluffypony;I really like Electrum, much more than MultiBit
624487;1397506772;BingoBoingo;I like the Multibit interface more for handling multiple wallet, but I'm liking Electrum more and more as I play with it. I just wish there was a good solution for handling both Deterministic and random generation wallets.
624488;1397506833;fluffypony;you can import privkeys for random generated wallets in electrum?
624489;1397506899;dignork;fluffypony, you can, but then you'll have to treat your wallet as non-deterministic
624490;1397506918;fluffypony;yes
624491;1397506959;fluffypony;so you make sure you have the privkeys backed up/written down for your random addresses
624492;1397506967;fluffypony;and the rest are all deterministic, including your change addresses
624493;1397507001;BingoBoingo;There are a number of reasons to  want wallets with different kinds of behavior. For some purposes different change addresses is a bug.
624494;1397507072;dignork;BingoBoingo, when would you want to disable change addresses?
624495;1397507121;BingoBoingo;MP had a good writeup on the subject of Address reuse being good for certain kinds of privacy, but finding it might take some digging.
624496;1397507155;dignork;"no such thing as taint" ?
624497;1397507207;BingoBoingo;An eatlier one, I believe on MPEx design
624498;1397507257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06645591 = 0.1329 BTC [+]
624499;1397507501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.0009563 = 13.0535 BTC [-] {3} 
624500;1397508191;[\];m00
624501;1397508721;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52960704 BTC [-]
624502;1397509270;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 934 @ 0.14 = 130.76 BTC
624503;1397509328;nubbins`;no onjoin msg from assbot anymore?
624504;1397509349;benkay;i've seen a few...
624505;1397509359;nubbins`;ah, i didn't get one these past two joins
624506;1397509363;benkay;hm
624507;1397509368;benkay;assbot's busy i guess
624508;1397509379;nubbins`;!busy
624509;1397509406;thestringpuller;! nubbins`
624510;1397509407;thestringpuller;lol
624511;1397509420;artifexd;Does anyone else read !up and !down as "not up" and "not down"?
624512;1397509428;nubbins`;i do now :(
624513;1397509439;nubbins`;makes sense tho
624514;1397509445;nubbins`;declare that you're not up, assbot fixes it
624515;1397509465;nubbins`;man, i'm really good at making shepherd's pie
624516;1397509465;artifexd;ha
624517;1397509571;artifexd;Speaking of bots, who runs ozbot?
624518;1397509574;kakobrekla;i got the notice.
624519;1397509637;artifexd;oh neat
624520;1397509660;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/vircurex-is-now-missing-5000-btc.298640/
624521;1397509671;nubbins`;guess i'm just lucky
624522;1397509672;Apocalyptic;so kakobrekla how is thing atc.blockr.io thing going ? they are integrating x-bt or not ?
624523;1397509690;benkay;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_the-tragedy-of-remote-hands-canadian-bitcoins-robbed-of-14394.html re canada and bitcoins
624524;1397509746;kakobrekla;its not a life and death situation is it? ill see re that next time we meet.
624525;1397509819;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 160 @ 0.14 = 22.4 BTC {2} 
624526;1397509827;benkay;mircea_popescu: would you tell @patrickmcguire that i broke the canadian bitcoins story a month ago?
624527;1397509829;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/beware-of-fbessatt-man-in-the-middle-scam-attempt.298926/
624528;1397509837;benkay;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_the-tragedy-of-remote-hands-canadian-bitcoins-robbed-of-14394.html
624529;1397509994;Apocalyptic;<BingoBoingo> https://bitcointa.lk/threads/vircurex-is-now-missing-5000-btc.298640/ << nice to see people awakening
624530;1397510013;Apocalyptic;kako, no issue, it's clearly not
624531;1397510019;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: It's just taking... something...
624532;1397510124;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 171 @ 0.14 = 23.94 BTC
624533;1397510720;thestringpuller;people are actually buying ALC?
624534;1397510731;thestringpuller;i feel like I should jump the bandwagon for when it bubbles
624535;1397510734;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00528509 = 0.5285 BTC [-] {5} 
624536;1397510795;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06699969 = 0.268 BTC [+]
624537;1397510856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1397 @ 0.00010616 = 0.1483 BTC [-] {4} 
624538;1397510978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00096135 = 8.7483 BTC [+] {2} 
624539;1397511231;jurov;http://thecodelesscode.com/case/131
624540;1397511262;jurov;http://thecodelesscode.com/case/140?topic=Heartbleed+Bug also :D
624541;1397511406;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [-]
624542;1397511572;BingoBoingo;!t h cog
624543;1397511573;assbot;[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.01500000 / 0.01589208 / 0.01789970 (26 shares, 0.41319401 BTC), 7D: 0.00963822 / 0.01410326 / 0.02000000 (249 shares, 3.51171268 BTC), 30D: 0.00030000 / 0.01596362 / 0.08800000 (2140 shares, 34.16213748 BTC)
624544;1397512076;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.519 = 2.595 BTC [-]
624545;1397512320;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5195025 BTC [+]
624546;1397512381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52955355 = 1.0591 BTC [+] {2} 
624547;1397513601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.54 = 1.08 BTC [+]
624548;1397514030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00095753 = 7.373 BTC [-] {2} 
624549;1397515309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00095711 = 6.0298 BTC [-]
624550;1397515919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 60 @ 0.01019 = 0.6114 BTC [-] {9} 
624551;1397516163;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 209 @ 0.00509186 = 1.0642 BTC [-] {10} 
624552;1397516247;BingoBoingo;artifexd: I actually probably would have been more likely to have written this http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/baseballs-new-strategy-drop-the-ball-on-purpose/
624553;1397516285;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 628 @ 0.00444919 = 2.7941 BTC [-] {35} 
624554;1397516529;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5350001 BTC [-]
624555;1397516590;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00399999 = 0.396 BTC [-]
624556;1397516605;thestringpuller;;;ticker
624557;1397516607;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 464.71, Best ask: 464.93, Bid-ask spread: 0.22000, Last trade: 464.93, 24 hour volume: 33644.77357654, 24 hour low: 408.0, 24 hour high: 475.0, 24 hour vwap: 448.992084165
624558;1397516773;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.004 = 0.124 BTC [+]
624559;1397516861;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
624560;1397516861;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095391 / 0.00096095 / 0.00096987 (584289 shares, 561.47 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096916 / 0.00101 (3327949 shares, 3,225.32 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00092608 / 0.00101 (23296673 shares, 21,574.72 BTC)
624561;1397516895;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2573 @ 0.00010561 = 0.2717 BTC [-] {5} 
624562;1397516896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.004 = 0.26 BTC [+]
624563;1397516956;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.000105 = 0.42 BTC [-] {7} 
624564;1397517017;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.535 BTC [-]
624565;1397517018;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 230 @ 0.004 = 0.92 BTC [+] {2} 
624566;1397517078;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.535 BTC [-]
624567;1397517079;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00010192 = 0.3058 BTC [-] {8} 
624568;1397517080;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 129 @ 0.004 = 0.516 BTC [+]
624569;1397517322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00096176 = 6.3957 BTC [+] {3} 
624570;1397518377;mike_c;!t h rent
624571;1397518378;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (214 shares, 1.60500000 BTC), 7D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (1496 shares, 11.22000000 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00706909 / 0.00750000 (26926 shares, 190.34218497 BTC)
624572;1397518539;mike_c;my bank wants me to update my mobile app with a new version that can pair with bluetooth devices. that makes sense.
624573;1397518725;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.535 = 1.605 BTC [-]
624574;1397518908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.534999 BTC [-]
624575;1397518909;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.0009614 = 8.7487 BTC [-] {2} 
624576;1397518926;BingoBoingo;What is this odd combination of bank, app, and mobile?
624577;1397518959;nubbins`;dude you don't do your banking on your phone?!
624578;1397518981;mike_c;it's just fiat.
624579;1397519031;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 652 @ 0.00058973 = 0.3845 BTC [+] {4} 
624580;1397519091;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5294999 BTC [-]
624581;1397519092;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00456947 = 0.265 BTC [+] {3} 
624582;1397519093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 230 @ 0.00059001 = 0.1357 BTC [+]
624583;1397519098;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: My phone makes and recieves calls.
624584;1397519109;nubbins`;nice
624585;1397519123;nubbins`;my phone is built into a computer ;(
624586;1397519135;mike_c;so hah! you do banking on your phone too.
624587;1397519152;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1021 @ 0.00063334 = 0.6466 BTC [+] {3} 
624588;1397519153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00466513 = 0.1726 BTC [+]
624589;1397519201;nubbins`;who said i didn't? :D
624590;1397519218;nubbins`;i do banking on my phone more often than i do it on my laptop.
624591;1397519257;mike_c;the only thing i use the phone for is depositing checks.  that is handy.
624592;1397519371;nubbins`;nod
624593;1397519384;nubbins`;CIBC mobile app recently added that feature
624594;1397519417;nubbins`;altho tbh i generally just walk to the bank
624595;1397520189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00096218 = 1.3471 BTC [+]
624596;1397520189;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 15 @ 0.0075 = 0.1125 BTC [+]
624597;1397520311;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00485 = 0.2813 BTC [+] {2} 
624598;1397520426;nubbins`;;;calc 50/[ticker --last]
624599;1397520428;gribble;0.108117458807
624600;1397520677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00096237 = 9.2388 BTC [+] {2} 
624601;1397520738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 830 @ 0.0075 = 6.225 BTC [+]
624602;1397521163;nubbins`;thestringpuller: there's a trilema article, one sec
624603;1397521165;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8305 @ 0.00011047 = 0.9175 BTC [-] {13} 
624604;1397521197;nubbins`;http://trilema.com/2013/the-stock-warrant-instrument-explained/
624605;1397521198;ozbot;The Stock Warrant instrument explained pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
624606;1397521204;nubbins`;http://trilema.com/2013/proper-accounting-for-stock-warrants/
624607;1397521204;ozbot;Proper accounting for stock warrants pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
624608;1397521226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6527 @ 0.00009727 = 0.6349 BTC [-] {11} 
624609;1397521287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16491 @ 0.00096247 = 15.8721 BTC [+]
624610;1397522447;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00010018 = 0.2004 BTC [+] {2} 
624611;1397522934;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.534999 BTC [+]
624612;1397522995;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.534999 BTC [+]
624613;1397523056;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.534999 BTC [+]
624614;1397523544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0305111 = 0.3051 BTC [-] {2} 
624615;1397523605;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.030511 = 0.3051 BTC [-] {2} 
624616;1397523745;thestringpuller;;;calc ( 0.00096482 - 0.00095473 ) / 0.00096482
624617;1397523746;gribble;0.0104579092473
624618;1397523849;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2404 @ 0.00010099 = 0.2428 BTC [+] {2} 
624619;1397523910;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1861 @ 0.00010099 = 0.1879 BTC [+] {2} 
624620;1397523911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06699976 = 0.134 BTC [+]
624621;1397524094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00095545 = 12.7075 BTC [-] {4} 
624622;1397524733;asciilifeform;http://www.businessinsider.com/malaysia-plane-lithium-ion-batteries-2014-3
624623;1397524733;ozbot;Malaysia Plane Was Carrying Lithium-Ion Batteries - Business Insider
624624;1397524734;asciilifeform;but!
624625;1397524742;asciilifeform;http://www.customsinfo.com/Industry-Blog/bid/162527/New-Regulations-for-Shipping-Li-ion-Batteries
624626;1397524743;ozbot;New Regulations for Shipping Li-ion Batteries
624627;1397524761;asciilifeform;(tldr - all planes have 'hazardous battery!111!' in cargo manifest)
624628;1397524825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00096321 = 4.2381 BTC [+] {3} 
624629;1397525238;nubbins`;!up adolf_fishler
624630;1397525238;assbot;Voicing adolf_fishler for 30 minutes.
624631;1397525251;nubbins`;i gave it a chance
624632;1397525259;nubbins`;nicolas cage is such a bad actor
624633;1397525274;adolf_fishler;lol
624634;1397525277;TestingUnoDosTre;<asciilifeform> laughable at best - "ICAO does not consider these changes will necessarily reduce incidents involving lithium batteries; but they will significantly improve safety."
624635;1397525280;adolf_fishler;its one of his best
624636;1397525282;adolf_fishler;i swear!
624637;1397525289;nubbins`;unfortunately i'll never know
624638;1397525294;adolf_fishler;:(
624639;1397525304;adolf_fishler;when did we start needing voice in here?
624640;1397525305;asciilifeform;adolf_fishler get in the wot.
624641;1397525317;asciilifeform;mein fuhrer.
624642;1397525335;adolf_fishler;hehe. das fuhrer.
624643;1397525356;adolf_fishler;the hitlers were a good people
624644;1397525436;adolf_fishler;http://m.circlevilletoday.com/news/hitlers-were-county-pioneers/article_2a6487b2-a34a-55f4-83f4-dfcf116d15d5.html?mode=jqm
624645;1397525437;ozbot;Hitlers were county pioneers   - News - CircleVilleToday.com
624646;1397525450;adolf_fishler;Dr. Gay Hitler, son of George Washington Hitler, was a local dentist, serving our community from 1922 through 1946 from his office on West Main Street.
624647;1397525451;adolf_fishler;LOL
624648;1397525457;adolf_fishler;i cant not laugh at that every time
624649;1397525610;asciilifeform;TestingUnoDosTre: found the battery crap when mailing a package and they now ask 'no lithium batteries, swear?'
624650;1397525651;asciilifeform;apparently, it is now forbidden to mail... electric watch.
624651;1397525674;TestingUnoDosTre;how about laptops/tablets/phones, etc?
624652;1397525687;asciilifeform;theoretically - them, too
624653;1397525801;TestingUnoDosTre;Not that I condone sheer stupidity, but this was a major ripoff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nztzwMiQTaI
624654;1397526353;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: A number of watches still use silver oxide cells...
624655;1397526374;nubbins`;ah, quantity discounts
624656;1397526377;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it's been years since i saw one for sale.
624657;1397526395;nubbins`;added 4 extra shirts to an order, saved $15 by doing so
624658;1397526462;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I changed watch batteries at a mall kiosk years back. I still see them on the shelves. There's still many available
624659;1397526472;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.00275116 = 0.11 BTC [+] {3} 
624660;1397526475;asciilifeform;mostly li cells in same form factor, afaik
624661;1397526488;BingoBoingo;http://www.amazon.com/Renata-Silver-Oxide-Battery-Button/dp/B001C19TI0
624662;1397526490;ozbot;Amazon.com: Renata Silver Oxide Watch Battery For Renata 364 Button Cell: Watches
624663;1397526495;asciilifeform;neato
624664;1397526521;BingoBoingo;http://www.amazon.com/Sony-364-SR621SW-Silver-Battery/dp/B002E0S2RC/ref=pd_sbs_watch_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1PPZHV3BNTZ8YWK2NC9V
624665;1397526523;ozbot;Amazon.com: Sony 364 SR621SW 1.55V Silver Oxide Watch Battery (Pack of 5): Electronics
624666;1397526580;BingoBoingo;Now... A lot of similar batteries in the same form factor will emit the long form labeling and the naming tends to be less complete.
624667;1397526835;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if it's safe enough for the road it can't not be safe enough for teh planes :D
624668;1397526854;asciilifeform;strikes me as a scheme to provide convenient excuse for fire
624669;1397526865;asciilifeform;'it had lithium cells in the cargo!'
624670;1397526885;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: A number of watches still use silver oxide cells... << the better ones, anyway.
624671;1397526886;nubbins`;"i used lithium before it was in cells"
624672;1397526896;asciilifeform;post office slave claimed they were made to watch 'training' films of burning planes
624673;1397526960;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo omit :D to emit is the act committed by the emittor of emissions, whereas to omit is the act of the omittor of omissions
624674;1397527011;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But omission is a swell way to transfer information
624675;1397527058;mircea_popescu;hehe
624676;1397527096;nubbins`;^ never to recommend a bad movie again
624677;1397527107;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/cryptostocks-satoshi-poker-ipo.178199/
624678;1397527109;ozbot;[CryptoStocks] Satoshi Poker IPO | Bitcointa.lk
624679;1397527112;BingoBoingo;Chicken wings, then wyngz, wyngs don't sell... revert to chicken
624680;1397527116;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/satoshi-poker-entire-business-2-day-auction.298910/
624681;1397527117;BingoBoingo;SOmethings
624682;1397527118;ozbot;Satoshi Poker - Entire business - 2 day auction | Bitcointa.lk
624683;1397527133;nubbins`;hm, titles say it all
624684;1397527137;mircea_popescu;if anyone's patient enough, compare the auction result to the ipo proceeds
624685;1397527249;BingoBoingo;I think the Seals breach pretty much killed BTC poker.
624686;1397527290;BingoBoingo;That and the run up to $1200/BTC
624687;1397527295;mircea_popescu;you need someone actually competent for a field to exist.
624688;1397527306;mircea_popescu;preferably multiple people, but 1 is a forced minimum
624689;1397527338;asciilifeform;http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/oxford-electric-bell
624690;1397527338;ozbot;Oxford Electric Bell
624691;1397527343;asciilifeform;now that's a battery one can respect.
624692;1397527382;nubbins`;not sure if this was discussed earlier:
624693;1397527384;nubbins`;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--xvhmGvYv--/qstimhyd89loxvqvobji.jpg
624694;1397527691;mircea_popescu;that's gotta be fake.
624695;1397527691;mircea_popescu;!up MobGod
624696;1397527691;assbot;Voicing MobGod for 30 minutes.
624697;1397527728;danielpbarron;what seals breach?
624698;1397527746;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Happened months ago
624699;1397527752;danielpbarron;oh, that
624700;1397527756;danielpbarron;that was nothing
624701;1397527782;mircea_popescu;pankkake prosecuting poor satoshipoker guy. WHY R U SUCH A TROAL!
624702;1397527790;nubbins`;mircea_popescu sadly no, copypasta fail
624703;1397527810;mircea_popescu;ahaha that stupid chick is cursed huh.
624704;1397527823;nubbins`;https://twitter.com/USAirways/status/455789281894604800
624705;1397527825;ozbot;Twitter / USAirways: We apologize for an inappropriate ...
624706;1397527829;mircea_popescu;they probably accidentally sent her a care package full of dongs
624707;1397527833;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: It read like a pretty big something
624708;1397527842;nubbins`;apparently the original picture was a tweet directed at american airlines
624709;1397527864;nubbins`;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--w6MSH7Dt--/k6z9acgdcqu5lqje4vpq.jpg
624710;1397527868;mircea_popescu;Retweets 11,598 Favorites 8,793  << dude us folk are weird. the actual pic never got 11k retweets wtf.
624711;1397527872;mircea_popescu;vicarious living!
624712;1397527880;nubbins`;^ this one almost caused pascale to pass out from laughter
624713;1397527955;BingoBoingo;!up MobGod
624714;1397527955;assbot;Voicing MobGod for 30 minutes.
624715;1397528119;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00481984 = 0.1253 BTC [+] {2} 
624716;1397528212;mircea_popescu;"Total owed to players: 19 BTC in player balances in the system, 3.9 BTC in pending withdrawals (I will cover these funds out of the buying price so after buying, company will have 0 liabilities towards its players, software companies or whatsoever)"
624717;1397528226;mircea_popescu;so i guess the guy's insolvent and that's his way of breaking the news ?
624718;1397528272;mircea_popescu;Satoshi Poker has $118.50/mo net operational costs for the rent of a dedicated server and VPS webhosting package (website and gameserver/bitcoin systems are hosted seperately for security reasons)
624719;1397528339;mircea_popescu;After working on the project for the past year, sacrificing my other businesses, investing a lot of time and money and running into personal debts to get it to where it is today, I don't have the time or personal stability to move the business forward to its full potential. Since november I have been working with no marketing budget and no development budget and for the future of SP it is better if somebody with a new
624720;1397528339;mircea_popescu;vision and a budget steps in and takes over. At this moment there is a deficit in player funds, and I would be able to cover them by taking out another bank loan but at this point I would rather sell it and cover all balances from the buying price, as it is pointless to run an internet business with no marketing or development budgets and basically working full time to maintain the just under $1000 in monthly turnover.
624721;1397528347;mircea_popescu;this'll be good for later linkage.
624722;1397528359;mircea_popescu;I have to look for a project that gives me a paycheck and allows me more time to spend with my girlfriend who had a miscarriage while i was sitting in the waiting room in the hospital working on SP...
624723;1397528388;mike_c;seems like a reasonable attempt at an orderly shutdown though.  not bad for a failing btc business.
624724;1397528429;mircea_popescu;mike_c guy could have gone a lot further if he actually used his chances rather than thinking he's smarter that everyone. that's the tragedy part of this drama here.
624725;1397528456;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2013#352196
624726;1397528457;mike_c;ah. i don't know the backstory
624727;1397528458;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
624728;1397528539;mircea_popescu;Starting bid of the auction is 30 BTC. Payment of buy is completely in bitcoin, of which 22.9 BTC has to be done to the hot wallet so buyer can see that in fact the balances are covered and remainder has to be sent to me to settle with SP's current investors.
624729;1397528561;mircea_popescu;the "investors" that were fed a 4k btc minimum for a 20k btc valuation are going to be dealt with out of...
624730;1397528572;mircea_popescu;8 btc. no wait. 7. seven and change.
624731;1397528586;kakobrekla;he already made buyback soem time ago or smth.
624732;1397528599;mircea_popescu;for a satoshi ?
624733;1397528603;mircea_popescu;!up xdotcommer
624734;1397528603;assbot;Voicing xdotcommer for 30 minutes.
624735;1397528618;kakobrekla;https://cryptostocks.com/securities/55
624736;1397528634;kakobrekla;08 Nov 11:03 SATOSHI has been delisted. Shareholders will be receiving email notifications.
624737;1397528634;kakobrekla;02 Nov 10:34 Satoshi Poker will delist its asset on CryptoStocks as its team is unreachable. Shares will be bought back at 0.001 share price, giving its shareholders 25% ROI
624738;1397528634;kakobrekla;24 Oct 23:14 Satoshi Poker changed its share structure and share prices. Please see the asset description for more information
624739;1397528634;kakobrekla;24 Oct 22:44 Satoshi Poker announces a buyback to IPO under better conditions. More info will follow later today
624740;1397528636;kakobrekla;24 Oct 22:44 Satoshi Poker announces a buyback to IPO under better conditions. More info will follow later today
624741;1397528639;kakobrekla;17 Oct 08:20 Satoshi Poker Going Public ! Buy Shares Today .0002 ! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=312764.0
624742;1397528641;mircea_popescu;Market cap.41,856.72
624743;1397528657;mircea_popescu;srsly. market cap 41k, can't get 30 btc on an open auction.
624744;1397528686;mircea_popescu;wait this can't be right
624745;1397528707;mircea_popescu;"Satoshi Poker has been delisted and shares have been bought back at 0.001 due to non response of cryptostocks customer service which was harming our IPO"
624746;1397528708;mircea_popescu;lmao epic
624747;1397528761;mircea_popescu;so wait. how is a 50% loss come to a 25% roi ?!
624748;1397528769;mircea_popescu;is this some magical usagi accounting ?
624749;1397528855;BingoBoingo;Has to be
624750;1397529020;mircea_popescu;so basically cryptostocks is the stock exchange of the future which was judged too low quality by a guy who was running an asset predicated on taking in two beans, giving back one bean a week later and claiming this is 25% roi.
624751;1397529035;mircea_popescu;perhaps one could go lower than that, but for the time being i can't imagine how.
624752;1397529054;mircea_popescu;"yo momma's so ugly not even fungus eats her" ?
624753;1397529099;BingoBoingo;Yo mamma's so dirty the gangrene left her
624754;1397529158;mircea_popescu;lol
624755;1397529375;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlOryKUCYAAX4vZ.jpg
624756;1397529386;mircea_popescu;these are apartments the chinese built and nobody wants.
624757;1397529422;mircea_popescu;talk about a real estate problem.
624758;1397529433;TestingUnoDosTre;is that for real?
624759;1397529442;BingoBoingo;Kind of like the gambling forum on Bitcointalk, full of sites and projects no one wants
624760;1397529461;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00522955 = 0.523 BTC [+] {5} 
624761;1397529486;TestingUnoDosTre;this chinese ghost town myth isn't just american commie propaganda?
624762;1397529510;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Well there's a bunch of recent construction american ghost towns as well
624763;1397529519;mircea_popescu;yup, quite fo real.
624764;1397529522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.005335 = 0.1174 BTC [+]
624765;1397529529;asciilifeform;we have these right here.
624766;1397529542;asciilifeform;thousands of condos, maybe 1 in 10 windows lights up at night.
624767;1397529551;asciilifeform;and the bezzlers build more, more...
624768;1397529585;asciilifeform;(which, interestingly, affects the prices not at all.)
624769;1397529599;asciilifeform;300k+, whether there are 10 or 100 empties nearby.
624770;1397529619;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i had the opportunity to laugh my ass off at a schmuck last week. son of a friend with this pushy, clueless fiancee. she wants them to buy (mostly on his mother's dough) an apt in this building
624771;1397529630;BingoBoingo;Full subdivisions, never occupied, each home still for sale, no more than a couple homes from each listed at any given time, the houses take turns in the MLS listings
624772;1397529633;mircea_popescu;i'm like don't be fucktarded already, nobody EVER bought there, what's wroing with you
624773;1397529648;mircea_popescu;she's like, wtf am i talking about, there's like, lights at night and everything.
624774;1397529663;asciilifeform;they don't bother rigging the lights here.
624775;1397529665;mircea_popescu;a phone call and twenny minutes later, i introduce them to the cabdriver who turns on the lights each night
624776;1397529726;mircea_popescu;i lol because, well, in typical style of the earlier quoted clueless "businessman" in his own head, they came up for sale once, in late 2009. they wanted x. i made an offer, roughly 0.15 x
624777;1397529730;mircea_popescu;they had an aneurism.
624778;1397529759;mircea_popescu;then it came up for sale about twice a year, i never bothered to make offers again, but i have little doubt it'll continue indefinitely.
624779;1397529782;TestingUnoDosTre;where are you talking about?
624780;1397529791;TestingUnoDosTre;still china?
624781;1397529808;mircea_popescu;i was talking of timisoara, right now, and asciilifeform of some northeast us i guess
624782;1397529816;asciilifeform;incidentally, tomorrow is celebrated the greatest american bezzle holiday - tax day
624783;1397529832;mircea_popescu;i know, because http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/#c2775
624784;1397529836;asciilifeform;where miscreants who minimize their bezzle radiation exposure get to pay double
624785;1397529854;asciilifeform;(in usa, mortgages, for instance, are deducted from taxable income - rent isn't. etc)
624786;1397529869;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform rent is, if you're renting as a company.
624787;1397529878;mircea_popescu;which theoretically you can't do for living space (must be commercial)
624788;1397529883;mircea_popescu;except you can if it's a perk for employees,
624789;1397529887;mircea_popescu;except regulations apply.
624790;1397529887;mircea_popescu;etc.
624791;1397529901;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's msot of the us, but in different ways. Sometimes condos, sometime subdivisions (probably a part of what makes the rentalstarter thing possible-ish)
624792;1397529901;asciilifeform;if you try to get it 'as human' you generally get your arse handed to you.
624793;1397529904;TestingUnoDosTre;was just talking to a self proclaimed business man at the bar today, telling me I had to be creative while filing my taxes
624794;1397529968;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in fairness : if you tried to get anything "As a barbarian" 2k years ago, also.
624795;1397529976;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i rent commercial space also, and know this.
624796;1397530079;asciilifeform;another interesting fact about tax in usa (perhaps everyone already knows) - income above a certain sum is taxed at 40-50%
624797;1397530110;asciilifeform;but that's enough about our national holiday.
624798;1397530355;mircea_popescu;http://www.openmarket.org/2014/04/14/first-ever-constitutional-ruling-against-dodd-frank-voids-destructive-conflict-minerals-section/?utm_content=buffer15f7d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
624799;1397530356;ozbot;First Ever Constitutional Ruling against Dodd-Frank Voids Destructive “Conflict Minerals� Sectio
624800;1397530363;mircea_popescu;apaprently dodd-frank is getting shut down i nthe courts.
624801;1397530638;mircea_popescu;in other news, global warming hits chicago
624802;1397530639;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlN2ol3CMAAg2N1.jpg
624803;1397530644;mircea_popescu;(april 14th)
624804;1397530698;asciilifeform;global worming.
624805;1397530701;BingoBoingo;I've heard such things. We are supposed to dip below freezing around St Louis
624806;1397530923;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay " where there is no recourse for crime" is perhaps a generalisation in the wrong direction. crime will probably be redefined to mean "of the body", ie, assault. stuff of the mind goes the way you contemplate.
624807;1397530924;gribble;The operation succeeded.
624808;1397531302;ThickAsThieves;big lols at satoshipoker
624809;1397531312;ThickAsThieves;those guys are SUPER douchebags
624810;1397531335;ThickAsThieves;cant even hold a conversation without showing it immediately
624811;1397531385;mircea_popescu;afaik it's one dude.
624812;1397531411;ThickAsThieves;i think i talked to two once, but you may be right
624813;1397531413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3988 @ 0.00096166 = 3.8351 BTC [-]
624814;1397531418;danielpbarron;why is the anon dude on satoshipoker's home page showing his hand while throwing chips in? if it's time for showdown, the chips should already be in
624815;1397531484;mircea_popescu;maybe it's radical honesty poker
624816;1397531485;ThickAsThieves;they got ukyo wrapped up in it, and the bitcoin pride tshirt guy
624817;1397531512;nubbins`;radical honesty cards = no fun
624818;1397531518;ThickAsThieves;the tshirt guy was trying to sell me his stake while waiting at an airport for his flight
624819;1397531519;nubbins`;tried face-up cribbage the other day
624820;1397531533;ThickAsThieves;cuz he needed money for cavation
624821;1397531542;ThickAsThieves;swore it was a great deal
624822;1397531556;danielpbarron;one of the players at my weekly poker games likes to show his hand before showdown sometimes, to try to get other players to react and reveal info
624823;1397531590;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you mean in person ?!
624824;1397531622;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron it's a rational move in some circumstances, especially no limit
624825;1397531643;mircea_popescu;banned for this very reason, at better run tables.
624826;1397531644;ThickAsThieves;nah he was messaging me
624827;1397531653;danielpbarron;ya, I agree, but he doesn't throw chips in while doing it
624828;1397531656;mircea_popescu;;;google cavation
624829;1397531657;gribble;Cavitation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavitation>; Urban Dictionary: Cavation: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Cavation>; Cavitation - Merriam-Webster Online: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cavitation>
624830;1397531659;BingoBoingo;http://thecodelesscode.com/case/66
624831;1397531660;ozbot;The Codeless Code:
624832;1397531666;ThickAsThieves;he offered to meet a few times, in miami
624833;1397531680;ThickAsThieves;but he was too scummy for me
624834;1397531695;mircea_popescu;wow that's a word ?!
624835;1397531709;mircea_popescu;the things i learn hanging out with you bums!!11
624836;1397531773;ThickAsThieves;you can thank my 6-finger typing style
624837;1397531792;mircea_popescu;<ThickAsThieves> but he was too scummy for me << elitism!
624838;1397531809;mircea_popescu;we need to come up with an equivalent convo breaker for "check your privilege"
624839;1397531811;ThickAsThieves;egads!
624840;1397531816;mircea_popescu;perhaps something with cavation in it.
624841;1397531820;mircea_popescu;;;google egads
624842;1397531821;gribble;Urban Dictionary: egads: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=egads>; Egad - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/egad>; egads - definition of egads by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/egads>
624843;1397531844;mircea_popescu;that makes two.
624844;1397531876;mircea_popescu;http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-v5MuOyxXvYo/T4mMVuu0TjI/AAAAAAAAAeQ/yX2NNj8YMMo/s1600/239+-+baby+big-eyes+suspicion.jpg
624845;1397531880;ThickAsThieves;just be like nubbins grandpa
624846;1397531920;Duffer1;!up twizt
624847;1397531920;assbot;Voicing twizt for 30 minutes.
624848;1397531924;mircea_popescu;and since we're doing this,
624849;1397531924;mircea_popescu;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BL_XvUUznPg/TneleM_1r8I/AAAAAAAAAJ0/oNfI7hAMN7E/s1600/Scan+playboy+1962+_Pic0051.jpg
624850;1397531967;twizt;ah ty
624851;1397531991;mircea_popescu;ello twizt
624852;1397531997;twizt;yo
624853;1397532004;twizt;i guess i need to trade with some people
624854;1397532005;twizt;lol
624855;1397532039;mircea_popescu;totally.
624856;1397532082;mircea_popescu;how's the hot sauce coming along ?
624857;1397532137;twizt;working on it
624858;1397532145;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4058 @ 0.00010591 = 0.4298 BTC [+] {5} 
624859;1397532159;mircea_popescu;ok, i got an idea earlier today, which i'd go halves with you into.
624860;1397532171;Duffer1;;;rate twizt 1 hexs and hotsauce
624861;1397532171;twizt;need like 30k for process schedule
624862;1397532172;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user twizt has been recorded.
624863;1397532176;mircea_popescu;the idea is this : flavoured edible lube. basically, clumps of gelatin,
624864;1397532185;twizt;and fda nonsense
624865;1397532191;mircea_popescu;you could make beacon lube, kentucky fried chicken lube,
624866;1397532193;twizt;organic cert
624867;1397532196;mircea_popescu;mcdonalds milkshake lube
624868;1397532201;twizt;lol y
624869;1397532219;twizt;that sounds disgusting
624870;1397532228;mircea_popescu;don;'t be silly, it'd sell like crazy
624871;1397532242;mircea_popescu;all the fat useless hogs that never date'd buy it to pretend like they do a lot of fucking,
624872;1397532251;mircea_popescu;and then guzzle it straight from the bottle while posting on reddit
624873;1397532272;twizt;lmao
624874;1397532288;twizt;nah the hot sauce is better then flavored lube
624875;1397532289;Duffer1;ha
624876;1397532294;mircea_popescu;you laugh but i'm dead serious. this could be the #1 thing sold in the states.
624877;1397532328;Duffer1;i dunno if you made it alcoholic i'd agree
624878;1397532330;twizt;im trying to get next to that bottle of ketchup and A1 sauce thats standard in most restaurants
624879;1397532352;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 you could make a butterscotch flavouring, an old whiskey flavouring etc
624880;1397532418;twizt;nah lube isnt defensive enough play for me
624881;1397532432;twizt;condiments index beats overall index usually by 4x+
624882;1397532457;mircea_popescu;dude you keep throwing numbers and shit into my clearly brilliant idea.
624883;1397532470;mircea_popescu;i should have just kept it secret like ninjashogun advised
624884;1397532474;twizt;lmao
624885;1397532477;mircea_popescu;</sarcasm>
624886;1397532568;TestingUnoDosTre;could it be spicy bacon lube?
624887;1397532577;mircea_popescu;defo.
624888;1397532609;TestingUnoDosTre;I'de throw at least a btc at that for development... and trials
624889;1397532616;Duffer1;MP did you ever get a hold of crazy_rabbit about that cold storage device?
624890;1397532621;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 nope
624891;1397532639;mircea_popescu;well... "cold"
624892;1397532645;mircea_popescu;i've never met one with a cold snatch yet.
624893;1397532657;mircea_popescu;i'd prolly be worried she's sick, like a dog with a warm nose.
624894;1397532688;mircea_popescu;twizt see above, teh power of good ideas.
624895;1397532735;twizt;maybe u should try it
624896;1397532800;mircea_popescu;if i knew someone who could mix the shit i would.
624897;1397532816;twizt;what do u need lube and mcdonalds?
624898;1397532817;twizt;lol
624899;1397532837;mircea_popescu;well i dunno how to make edible lube, for one,
624900;1397532847;mircea_popescu;and i don't know how to make mcdonalds flavouring for the other
624901;1397532977;mircea_popescu;!up sunshyne
624902;1397532977;assbot;Voicing sunshyne for 30 minutes.
624903;1397532994;mircea_popescu;i wonder if coca-cola could be persuaded into offering coca-cola lube to go with its coca-cola lite
624904;1397532994;BingoBoingo;twizt: Maybe start with ISBN-13: 978-0895827449
624905;1397533019;twizt;lmao
624906;1397533031;twizt;or buy existing product on market and add mickYDs flavor
624907;1397533042;twizt;pretty sure u can do a licensing agreement
624908;1397533058;twizt;http://www.amazon.com/ID-Juicy-Water-Based-Edible-Lubricant/dp/B0018AQR8A
624909;1397533059;ozbot;Amazon.com: ID Juicy Water-Based, Edible Lubricant - Assorted 10 Pack Sampler: Health & Personal Car
624910;1397533060;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
624911;1397533138;TestingUnoDosTre;Alright let's do this http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Edible-Gelatin-Food-Grade_495126326.html
624912;1397533153;TestingUnoDosTre;only a 5000kg min order
624913;1397533157;twizt;lmao
624914;1397533214;TestingUnoDosTre;100% from beef skin or bone. We're off to a good start
624915;1397533215;mod6;mcrib flavor
624916;1397533235;TestingUnoDosTre;That's more beef than mcd's offers, we're gonna have to get some horse gel to tone it down
624917;1397533301;TestingUnoDosTre;Slightly suspicious "Store in a cool dry place. Do not get in eyes, on skin, on clothing, wash thoroughly after handling"
624918;1397533322;mircea_popescu;wait what ?!
624919;1397533333;mircea_popescu;edible do not get on skin or eyes ?
624920;1397533506;TestingUnoDosTre;They swear it has no bovine spongiform encephalopathy... until now
624921;1397533515;mircea_popescu;it can't possibly.
624922;1397533772;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay "that things I generally assume don't need eliding " << you sure you know what eliding means ?
624923;1397533772;gribble;The operation succeeded.
624924;1397533829;TestingUnoDosTre;;;ud elide
624925;1397533830;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Elide | Elide. A disaster. She fell? In her high heels? What an ELIDE! by wrmvnllasgr March 08, 2011. 6 5. Mugs & shirts Buy “Elide� mugs & shirts · Random Word.
624926;1397533830;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: Elide
624927;1397533885;HeySteve;I knew someone who did ok selling "marital aids"
624928;1397533901;HeySteve;when I met her she was a secretary at a precious metals dealer
624929;1397533917;mircea_popescu;wait what ?@
624930;1397533920;HeySteve;lost touch, next time I saw her she was at Sexpo selling a spray for tingles
624931;1397533943;mircea_popescu;pls tell me they weren't advertised as Marital AIDS
624932;1397533956;HeySteve;ha no, Viaspray or something
624933;1397533974;mircea_popescu;"Thank you for visiting ViaSpray SA! ViaSpray is designed for YOU!!! No matter what your age, race or gender! "
624934;1397533975;mircea_popescu;derp.
624935;1397533994;HeySteve;all SA products must carry equalism boilerplate
624936;1397534033;mircea_popescu;but how can it be designed for ME then
624937;1397534063;mircea_popescu;"bespoke clothing, no matter your waistline, height or style!"
624938;1397534066;HeySteve;less questions, most spritzing!
624939;1397534135;BingoBoingo;Seems to describe a poncho
624940;1397534166;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo or a denim vest
624941;1397534462;mircea_popescu;anyway, laters!
624942;1397534462;BingoBoingo;I wonder if that bitcoin buttplug is coming in multiple sizes
624943;1397534462;TestingUnoDosTre;and textures!
624944;1397534464;TestingUnoDosTre;They said there was a way to tell if it was unique
624945;1397534675;thestringpuller;;;calc ( 0.00096237 - 0.00095711 ) / 0.00096237
624946;1397534676;gribble;0.00546567328574
624947;1397534833;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
624948;1397534833;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095391 / 0.00095966 / 0.00096593 (509702 shares, 489.14 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096846 / 0.00101 (3334383 shares, 3,229.22 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00092699 / 0.00101 (23205346 shares, 21,511.35 BTC)
624949;1397534951;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522 = 0.1044 BTC [-]
624950;1397535073;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1569 BTC [+]
624951;1397535074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00096166 = 10.4821 BTC [-]
624952;1397535134;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1569 BTC [+]
624953;1397535256;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0522999 = 0.2615 BTC [+]
624954;1397535378;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0522999 = 0.8368 BTC [+]
624955;1397535453;BingoBoingo;Seekurity http://thecodelesscode.com/case/87
624956;1397535543;TestingUnoDosTre;what the in the hayl
624957;1397535582;BingoBoingo;Jurov posted a link to this thing earlier and nao I'm reading it all
624958;1397535631;TestingUnoDosTre;I liked how it was written, just very strange
624959;1397535744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00095512 = 14.4223 BTC [-] {2} 
624960;1397535818;BingoBoingo;Yeah
624961;1397539559;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: I've been addicted to it too
624962;1397539572;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: 45 minutes of reading them last night
624963;1397539587;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1046 BTC [+]
624964;1397539670;BingoBoingo;I've just about given them the once over. I'll probably re-read them again over a few days.
624965;1397540075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0522999 = 0.1046 BTC [+]
624966;1397540197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
624967;1397540563;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
624968;1397540624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669997 = 0.134 BTC [-]
624969;1397540686;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 22 @ 0.00988186 = 0.2174 BTC [-] {6} 
624970;1397540807;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0075 = 0.2625 BTC [+]
624971;1397541295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.00953844 = 0.124 BTC [-] {2} 
624972;1397544040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00095358 = 9.2974 BTC [-] {4} 
624973;1397544894;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52985758 BTC [-]
624974;1397545199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.052 = 0.624 BTC [-]
624975;1397546278;fluffypony;http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libssl/src/ssl/
624976;1397546294;fluffypony;OpenBSD have started a strip-down and cleanup of openSSL
624977;1397546332;artifexd;That will be a herculean effort.
624978;1397547053;pankkake;nice. I was looking for openssl alternatives, and while there are some (with nicer APIs and lighter codebases), the licenses won't satisfy everyone
624979;1397547090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7546 @ 0.00096408 = 7.2749 BTC [+] {2} 
624980;1397547178;fluffypony;artifexd: agreed, but considering the amount of effort they put into their modified Apache 1.3 (till they switched to nginx last month) makes me think they can accomplish it
624981;1397547700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06615 = 0.1323 BTC [-] {2} 
624982;1397547822;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06590001 = 0.1318 BTC [-] {2} 
624983;1397549383;fluffypony;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/13/gnome_foundation_runs_out_of_cash/
624984;1397549389;fluffypony;"Perhaps they could ask the OpenBSD Foundation, which just hit its 2014 goal"
624985;1397549392;fluffypony;cheeky
624986;1397549896;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1661 @ 0.00096459 = 1.6022 BTC [+] {2} 
624987;1397551027;pankkake;except everyone hates what gnome does
624988;1397551154;bounce;at least gnome /was/ more or less confined to its own thing and its invariably byzantinely dependent apps. enter the freedesktop.org bunch, and poettering+gang.
624989;1397551234;pankkake;I don't have issues with those things, they are overall improvements
624990;1397551238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0665 = 0.1995 BTC [+]
624991;1397551360;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0665 = 0.133 BTC [+]
624992;1397551552;bounce;(deliberate) incompatability by stuffing functionality with strong preference-flavour added where there previously was room for alternative approaches in places that don't need the added complexity and opacity, with added fall-out to well outside the "linux" world and insisting breaking others' software are improvements now? explain that one, please.
624993;1397551604;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.522 BTC [-]
624994;1397551700;fluffypony;I agree that gnome is shit
624995;1397551735;fluffypony;LXDE is great
624996;1397551781;fluffypony;and LXDE-Qt if you desperately need Qt everywhere
624997;1397551857;pankkake;they're switching to Qt?
624998;1397551867;fluffypony;no
624999;1397551873;fluffypony;LXDE-Qt is a separate project
625000;1397551878;fluffypony;kinda separate
625001;1397551879;pankkake;weird
625002;1397551889;fluffypony;Razor-Qt merged with it last year
625003;1397552824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.522 = 4.698 BTC [-]
625004;1397553434;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00009252 = 0.185 BTC [+] {8} 
625005;1397553678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.065626 = 0.3281 BTC [-] {3} 
625006;1397553739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06475721 = 0.4533 BTC [-] {4} 
625007;1397554105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10533 @ 0.00096398 = 10.1536 BTC [-]
625008;1397554471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00095403 = 7.3937 BTC [-] {2} 
625009;1397554613;pankkake;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/
625010;1397554688;fluffypony;*clicks*
625011;1397554915;fluffypony;I agree with this commenter: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/cgsvpkn
625012;1397554924;fluffypony;"The lesson for anyone in the public domain should already be clear: Don't try to answer rumours on Reddit, unless you are also prepared to provide cast iron proof of what you say, don't discuss your family affairs on a public forum, and especially don't mention your children - this is stupid beyond belief."
625013;1397555005;pankkake;most comments are actually good
625014;1397555020;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00009294 = 0.1859 BTC [+] {8} 
625015;1397555478;punkman;sounds like Danny's dream of having a Bentley is gonna be over soon
625016;1397555489;fluffypony;heh
625017;1397555514;punkman;so much derp
625018;1397555630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0655 = 0.3275 BTC [+]
625019;1397557033;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1200 @ 0.00013788 = 0.1655 BTC [+] {3} 
625020;1397557582;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 767 @ 0.00014148 = 0.1085 BTC [+] {3} 
625021;1397557643;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1500 @ 0.00014606 = 0.2191 BTC [+] {7} 
625022;1397557704;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5607 @ 0.00015531 = 0.8708 BTC [+] {13} 
625023;1397557765;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3127 @ 0.00017518 = 0.5478 BTC [+] {8} 
625024;1397557826;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1231 @ 0.00019369 = 0.2384 BTC [+] {6} 
625025;1397558070;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2090 @ 0.00025902 = 0.5414 BTC [+] {8} 
625026;1397558131;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 900 @ 0.00027005 = 0.243 BTC [+] {2} 
625027;1397558192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1750 @ 0.0002701 = 0.4727 BTC [+] {3} 
625028;1397558253;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00028629 = 0.2863 BTC [+] {4} 
625029;1397558314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2200 @ 0.00030121 = 0.6627 BTC [+] {8} 
625030;1397558375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 793 @ 0.00031 = 0.2458 BTC [+]
625031;1397558436;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 753 @ 0.00036261 = 0.273 BTC [+] {6} 
625032;1397558619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00037004 = 0.37 BTC [+] {3} 
625033;1397558680;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 500 @ 0.00037012 = 0.1851 BTC [+] {4} 
625034;1397558681;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06674097 = 6.6741 BTC [+] {8} 
625035;1397558741;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 276 @ 0.00037 = 0.1021 BTC [-]
625036;1397558803;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3716 @ 0.00011678 = 0.434 BTC [+] {5} 
625037;1397559321;pankkake;http://bitbet.us/bet/609/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall/ I really wonder why there are Yesses
625038;1397559333;pankkake;unless some large farm explodes
625039;1397561155;ThickAsThieves;blowstamps! http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/15/5616160/finland-celebrates-homoerotic-art-with-mustachioed-stamps
625040;1397561305;ThickAsThieves;Bitstamp is lying, saying my deposit had 3 confs, but blockchain says 6
625041;1397561330;ThickAsThieves;they only require 3, yet some how, no coins
625042;1397561528;Apocalyptic;ThickAsThieves, selling already ?
625043;1397561601;ThickAsThieves;doing some trading
625044;1397561621;ThickAsThieves;i'm still long, but keep getting sucked back into the game
625045;1397561820;kakobrekla;cans and strings never lie
625046;1397562236;Apocalyptic;.d
625047;1397562279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00096147 = 1.9229 BTC [+]
625048;1397562559;ThickAsThieves;Estimated Next Difficulty:7,195,696,460 (+17.58%)
625049;1397562598;ThickAsThieves;like 15PH added in 2 weeks
625050;1397562626;mircea_popescu;breathtaking, innit.
625051;1397562652;pankkake;so many asic manufacturers too
625052;1397562660;pankkake;some of them even deliver!
625053;1397562671;mircea_popescu;lol who delivered this year ?
625054;1397562699;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=571456.0
625055;1397562700;pankkake;I don't follow this a lot but there are some chinese who sell in stock stuff
625056;1397562748;ThickAsThieves;<+mircea_popescu> lol who delivered this year ? // shit, it really is no one
625057;1397562756;pankkake;otherwise cointerra is the closest to delivering I guess
625058;1397562794;pankkake;still, there's a number of options. better than one single GPU manufacturer!
625059;1397562805;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves dun dun dun
625060;1397562833;mircea_popescu;"Warrior Forum joins the Freelancer.com Family" dude this couldn't have been more appropriate.
625061;1397562843;mircea_popescu;freelancer is like a black hole of internet idiocy.
625062;1397562845;ThickAsThieves;lol
625063;1397562884;ThickAsThieves;i bet odesk runs most of the action on those sites anyway
625064;1397562891;fluffypony;lol
625065;1397562898;mircea_popescu;pankkake a number of options as to where to throw your btc down a well and hope while waiting aren;'t options in the sense we need.
625066;1397562920;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves there's this getafreelancer.com site, too, and some other shit.
625067;1397562950;fluffypony;guru.com as well
625068;1397562961;pankkake;by the way, GPU preorders were a thing, too. I preordered one like 15 years ago, it took months before I could have it
625069;1397562979;kakobrekla;dotcoin does it again.
625070;1397562991;pankkake;http://blog.coinbase.com/post/82766793207/coinbase-has-a-new-office too many macs. DO NOT TRUST
625071;1397563038;dignork;re: miners, have you seen spondoolies-tech? My friend works there, and apparently they shipped by plan.
625072;1397563049;fluffypony;kakobrekla: that post is terrible
625073;1397563052;mircea_popescu;ummm... their office is a room and a hallway in uhhh
625074;1397563067;mircea_popescu;shit i remember who owns that and was giving it away rent free to noobs, who the fuck was it
625075;1397563082;mircea_popescu;dignork details, details.
625076;1397563123;dignork;mircea_popescu, there is a long thread on talk: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-spondoolies-tech-launches-a-new-line-of-asic-miners-shipping-in-7-days.284243/
625077;1397563131;ThickAsThieves;omg all those people working on macbooks, wtf
625078;1397563146;ThickAsThieves;i guess their real office is starbucks
625079;1397563146;dignork;I know one of the devs there
625080;1397563148;mircea_popescu;they kinda look like they're showing teh women girlpronz
625081;1397563150;mircea_popescu;!up Tykling
625082;1397563150;assbot;Voicing Tykling for 30 minutes.
625083;1397563161;mircea_popescu;o teh jewz.
625084;1397563178;mircea_popescu;dignork so tell one of teh techs to reg here, got a shot at way more biz than the ofrum can ever provide.
625085;1397563198;pankkake;macbooks are what you use in client meetings, but not what you use to actually work
625086;1397563212;dignork;mircea_popescu, will do :)
625087;1397563217;mircea_popescu;holy shit where is that
625088;1397563222;mircea_popescu;now it's going to bug me perpetually.
625089;1397563275;mircea_popescu;ahaha "make a transaction and get $5" dude they're really pushing huh.
625090;1397563397;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232xry/cointerra_loses_faith_in_their_products/
625091;1397563416;ThickAsThieves;30-day warranty
625092;1397563417;ThickAsThieves;ouch
625093;1397563476;pankkake;do they sell to EU? that would be probably illegal
625094;1397563476;ThickAsThieves;theyre probly like "Well, we're premining with these things for 60 days, so we should probly change that warranty!"
625095;1397563489;mircea_popescu;"We're about 25 KM from Gaza strip, not in any disputed territory."
625096;1397563499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4617 @ 0.00096147 = 4.4391 BTC [+]
625097;1397563501;mircea_popescu;so cute, the jews. "o, we're 25km from ww2, it's safe here"
625098;1397563506;mircea_popescu;they actually think this way.
625099;1397563589;davout;mircea_popescu: holders list pl0x
625100;1397563596;mircea_popescu;o.o
625101;1397563609;mircea_popescu;dude it's been six minutes ? what do yo uthink i run here, a team of naked ninjas ?
625102;1397563629;davout;mircea_popescu: that's what you keep advertising :D
625103;1397563634;mircea_popescu;lmao
625104;1397563635;punkman;you don't have a naked ninja team?
625105;1397563647;mircea_popescu;i do but i don't uyse them to do THIS stuff
625106;1397563659;mircea_popescu;anything davout gets comes from old smelly women
625107;1397563684;davout;the way i make my living is not for you to judge
625108;1397563705;davout;pecunia non olet
625109;1397563714;ThickAsThieves;this plane toy up the poon is hilarious
625110;1397563751;davout;"Hi, I'm from al qaeda and i'm going to do something big on june first"
625111;1397563775;davout;june first : "first fully decentralized bitcoin exchange released by al qaeda girl"
625112;1397563786;ThickAsThieves;nice knowing you davout
625113;1397563792;ThickAsThieves;have fun in guant
625114;1397563815;Apocalyptic;he's gonna seek refuge in Timisoara soon
625115;1397563824;davout;ThickAsThieves: i'm a jew, anything all-inclusive will do
625116;1397563858;davout;mircea_popescu: merci!
625117;1397563870;mircea_popescu;he's being extradited
625118;1397563877;mircea_popescu;i think i may have all the papers ready to go within the week
625119;1397563895;ThickAsThieves;extratradition
625120;1397563899;mircea_popescu;AND SO ARE SOME OTHERS OF YOU BIGMOUTHS
625121;1397563950;mircea_popescu;when i was a kid the measure of your popularity was that all the kids on the block gathered under your windows screaming "Mr X, may X come out to plaaa-aaa-aaayyyyy ???"
625122;1397563978;mircea_popescu;so i'd go this shrug like "what can i do mom ? teh boyfatherland needs me"
625123;1397564605;mircea_popescu;awww.
625124;1397564644;pankkake;;;later tell benkay http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/14_no-more-statute-of-limitations-for-the-irs.html congratulations, you're worse than France!
625125;1397564644;gribble;The operation succeeded.
625126;1397564669;mircea_popescu;yeah isn't that something.
625127;1397564680;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves btw, did asicminer deliver the gen3 or still working on it ?
625128;1397564702;pankkake;I think my last issue with the fisc will finally get prescribed. yay
625129;1397564727;pankkake;there are sample chips in the wild
625130;1397564772;mircea_popescu;who got any ?
625131;1397564815;pankkake;rockxie and canaryinthemine (approximate spelling)
625132;1397564857;ThickAsThieves;i havent been following, i think the whole Rockminer deal is too fishy to take any of them seriously anymore
625133;1397564898;ThickAsThieves;my guess would be that AM feels theyve given enough to shareholders and will now focus on ways to reroute profit
625134;1397564903;ThickAsThieves;like Rockminer
625135;1397564924;mircea_popescu;such bs.
625136;1397564936;mircea_popescu;it's like a mediocre marriage, nobody says what they mean and nobody does what they say.
625137;1397565011;ThickAsThieves;when gen2 vanished without much noise, and nothing happened for like 8mos, well...
625138;1397565057;davout;for those who have some X.EUR the positions rollover is done
625139;1397565060;mircea_popescu;basically tardstalk has managed to get itself out of the way of bitcoin conversation, tards foundation idem...
625140;1397565085;mircea_popescu;let this be a lesson about what "poorly managed" means. you start with a dominant, unassailable position, two years later it's not even clear who you are and what you do anymore.
625141;1397565094;davout;sounds like a good time to buy some btw :-)
625142;1397565107;mircea_popescu;what cuz it's gonna drop moar ?!
625143;1397565129;davout;BTC is up 15~20% since this morning
625144;1397565159;fluffypony;yeah
625145;1397565159;mircea_popescu;i'll short sell you some, how about that ?
625146;1397565165;fluffypony;just below $500, davout
625147;1397565184;davout;trades around 360 EUR on BC, was 300 yest, looks like it's going to drop at least a bit
625148;1397565197;ThickAsThieves;possibly one more burst tho
625149;1397565201;fluffypony;I'm so bad at price speculation I gave up ages ago
625150;1397565204;ThickAsThieves;to 531ish
625151;1397565209;davout;mircea_popescu: if you have some EUR collateral i can push you some ;-)
625152;1397565224;ThickAsThieves;$
625153;1397565235;fluffypony;EU $
625154;1397565235;mircea_popescu;meh. push me some anyway and i'll cover you in btc
625155;1397565236;fluffypony;:-P
625156;1397565241;davout;mircea_popescu: also i can go short directly on BC
625157;1397565245;fluffypony;1 BTC = 1 BTC?
625158;1397565252;ThickAsThieves;lol
625159;1397565264;ThickAsThieves;1=1
625160;1397565265;mircea_popescu;fluffypony well what the fuck am i going to end up owing him, btc goes to 5 eur ?
625161;1397565290;mircea_popescu;i'll just sell a ninja.
625162;1397565291;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: trade up man, 1 = 2
625163;1397565303;fluffypony;(by some definition of 2)
625164;1397565345;ThickAsThieves;what do you think will spark the next true bull phase?
625165;1397565346;mircea_popescu;Hashrate per chip:11.52Ghash Power consumption:6.375W per chip
625166;1397565353;mircea_popescu;wasn't the fucking spec supposed to be 4gh/w ?
625167;1397565365;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves this chan going +m.
625168;1397565369;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: China Unbans Bitcoin!
625169;1397565383;ThickAsThieves;:/
625170;1397565411;ThickAsThieves;but i dont have enough cash to buy this thing back to 1000!
625171;1397565415;fluffypony;didn't someone mention ransomware the other day, and how that may have contributed to the last run as people who would otherwise have been disinclined to purchase went and purchase?
625172;1397565427;fluffypony;so the solution could be to write some new ransomware?
625173;1397565450;mircea_popescu;fluffypony it was a stupid idea tho. you realise this yes ?
625174;1397565454;ThickAsThieves;;;market buy 24000
625175;1397565455;gribble;Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 16452.849 bitcoins, for a total of 14624837.6264 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 0.0850 seconds
625176;1397565460;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yes I know, I'm just teasing
625177;1397565471;ThickAsThieves;16000 coins?!
625178;1397565489;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you mighht have not noticed this, but bitstamp volume dried up to nothing.
625179;1397565493;mircea_popescu;and so did most of the other exchanges.
625180;1397565511;mircea_popescu;their price signal is worth about as much as reddit opinion
625181;1397565525;pankkake;http://chralash.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/ive-got-a-psychological-disorder-its-called-hoarding-bitcoins-and-its-making-you-rich/
625182;1397565575;mircea_popescu;echolalia eh ?
625183;1397565656;davout;ThickAsThieves: mebbe some sort of EUR implosion/QE or whatever
625184;1397565744;mircea_popescu;!up roamfree
625185;1397565744;assbot;Voicing roamfree for 30 minutes.
625186;1397565756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5299999 BTC [+]
625187;1397565872;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: "Perhaps they could ask the OpenBSD Foundation, which just hit its 2014 goal"  << cheeky indeed.
625188;1397566002;mircea_popescu;pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/609/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall/ I really wonder why there are Yesses << well when it was made it didn't look as clear as it does now. and if it had another month to go, it wouldn't look clear now, either.
625189;1397566053;pankkake;no new mining power added for 2 weeks?
625190;1397566140;mircea_popescu;chips have a lifetime. if that's not too long and later chips are worse quality eventually the diff will start dropping.
625191;1397566199;pankkake;right, perhaps in a few years then
625192;1397566204;thestringpuller;have we discussed the latter from scammy danny yet?
625193;1397566217;pankkake;not much
625194;1397566222;thestringpuller;i havent checked the logs just woke up and saw it on reddit...
625195;1397566232;mircea_popescu;we don't really read reddit, but go right ahead
625196;1397566258;pankkake;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2014#625009
625197;1397566340;thestringpuller;ah
625198;1397566347;mircea_popescu;"The fraud charges are of my greatest concern right now, they are baffling to me"
625199;1397566355;thestringpuller;i am pretty sure reddit drops your iq at this point
625200;1397566367;mircea_popescu;o hey. i suppose it keeps in character. first business was baffling to the kid, now legal matters take a turn...
625201;1397566390;mircea_popescu;i suppose his feeling for ghiorghios, the unshaved truck driver will be baffling for him next.
625202;1397566403;thestringpuller;but reddit has much needed lulz to fuel our hunger
625203;1397566432;thestringpuller;is he in wot?
625204;1397566444;mircea_popescu;Here is a message to the Criminal Investigation Department of the Cypriot Police:
625205;1397566444;mircea_popescu;ANSWER YOUR PHONE or CHECK YOUR EMAILS!!!!
625206;1397566445;mircea_popescu;kik
625207;1397566456;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller who ? reddit ?
625208;1397566467;thestringpuller;danny scamster
625209;1397566494;mircea_popescu;nah, he knew better.
625210;1397566549;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 18 @ 0.05240938 = 0.9434 BTC [+] {9} 
625211;1397566577;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/800/bitcoin-price-above-525-before-may/
625212;1397566579;pankkake;his statements are very confusing, but that has been going on for a while
625213;1397566581;mircea_popescu;srsly, 8:1 ?
625214;1397566589;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
625215;1397566590;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.0, Best ask: 493.02, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 493.0, 24 hour volume: 30647.12500074, 24 hour low: 448.1, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.428840083
625216;1397566595;thestringpuller;oh wow
625217;1397566607;mircea_popescu;sweet, wonder if it tops at 500 or not.
625218;1397566610;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2} 
625219;1397566671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00096296 = 2.7444 BTC [+]
625220;1397566673;TestingUnoDosTre;You mean 515
625221;1397566711;mircea_popescu;lol yeah
625222;1397566724;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455914648710443009 << from the lulz dept, me discussing matters with a bunch of middleaged women
625223;1397566781;pankkake;running isn't even healthy!
625224;1397566820;thestringpuller;why is it skngle middle aged women are far less annoying than 20's women...like they are still teens or something
625225;1397566865;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller the former you don't want to fuck. less frustration for you.
625226;1397566883;mircea_popescu;pankkake it's healthier than pancakes...
625227;1397566901;pankkake;I don't even like pancakes
625228;1397566911;pankkake;and yes, pancakes are poison
625229;1397566925;mircea_popescu;well arguably bukkake is healthier than running
625230;1397566931;nubbins`;arguably
625231;1397566935;TestingUnoDosTre;Can't believe people think smoking adds to healthcare costs. The people die earlier and faster
625232;1397566937;nubbins`;easier on your knees, certainly
625233;1397566955;nubbins`;TestingUnoDosTre: here in canada, we keep smokers alive as long as possible. tis a burden
625234;1397566958;mircea_popescu;nubbins` notrly, you gotta be kneelin'
625235;1397566969;nubbins`;mircea_popescu flat on the back, natch
625236;1397566980;nubbins`;TestingUnoDosTre: although to be fair, tobacco taxes more than cover it
625237;1397566991;nubbins`;20 smokes is over $10 here
625238;1397566992;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre you don't understand the environment. buncha clueless broads sitting around encouraging each other. sorta like what we do here, except without the smarts.
625239;1397567010;nubbins`;wait, i encourage people? ;(
625240;1397567022;mircea_popescu;i assumed you must. weren't you a liberal ?
625241;1397567037;nubbins`;sure, but a bitter one
625242;1397567041;pankkake;TestingUnoDosTre: it might (cancer is expensive), but it reduces retirement costs
625243;1397567055;nubbins`;just 'cause i'm a liberal doesn't mean i suffer fools ;D
625244;1397567059;mircea_popescu;if smoking gives you cancer it just shows you had a shitty constitution,
625245;1397567064;mircea_popescu;so you SHOULD die in the first place.
625246;1397567072;mircea_popescu;smoking is pretty much the only selective behaviour left.
625247;1397567075;mircea_popescu;that and driving.
625248;1397567078;mircea_popescu;smoking definitely cheaper.
625249;1397567082;nubbins`;smoking: the sieve of modern man
625250;1397567101;nubbins`;eating too
625251;1397567107;mircea_popescu;<nubbins`> just 'cause i'm a liberal doesn't mean i suffer fools ;D << wait wait. what sort of scamliberal are you ?! THAT IS THE DEFINITION!
625252;1397567120;TestingUnoDosTre;If you consider coat avoidance, I'm quite sure it would cost more to keep a,non smoker living in their latter years
625253;1397567128;nubbins`;we live in a word not of black and white but of shades of grey ;D
625254;1397567173;nubbins`;bbl eggs!
625255;1397567180;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/a3aedb2f647e9395c5fc9a66e6d6d621/tumblr_mkfz4rxTzm1re7tkoo1_1280.jpg
625256;1397567186;mircea_popescu;quoted for the black shoies, white socks.
625257;1397567189;mircea_popescu;that's the world we live in.
625258;1397567210;mircea_popescu;!up steven-__
625259;1397567210;assbot;Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
625260;1397567220;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53199995 = 1.064 BTC [+] {2} 
625261;1397567316;pankkake;anyway, I'm usually going out to not smoke
625262;1397567328;pankkake;who cares what is written
625263;1397567344;mircea_popescu;these women.
625264;1397567354;mircea_popescu;it's all they have left : what's written
625265;1397567354;pankkake;because they want to be offended at something
625266;1397567369;pankkake;being offended is a full time job
625267;1397567375;nubbins`;^
625268;1397567399;mircea_popescu;gives them something to write on twitter about, gives them something to talk to me about... what's their alternative ?
625269;1397567400;ThickAsThieves;it's also the easiest job
625270;1397567403;mircea_popescu;sit in the home and stare at the wall ?
625271;1397567423;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves exactly. easiest full time job their is. which is why and how women that age end up with it, in all times and all places.
625272;1397567441;ThickAsThieves;old hags on nonprofit boards
625273;1397567450;mircea_popescu;lol you've really been touched haven't you
625274;1397567456;ThickAsThieves;treating me like a walmart cashier
625275;1397567494;ThickAsThieves;ive fired more old women clients than clients have ever fired me
625276;1397567513;mircea_popescu;no cuntry for old broads.
625277;1397567554;ThickAsThieves;btw i loved your definition of fine
625278;1397567561;ThickAsThieves;it's quite quotable
625279;1397567568;ThickAsThieves;deserves a bash
625280;1397567573;mircea_popescu;bash away
625281;1397567582;ThickAsThieves;how do i bash the past?
625282;1397567594;ThickAsThieves;bash 9000
625283;1397567596;nubbins`;look to the topic for clues
625284;1397567607;mircea_popescu;there's an add topic feature
625285;1397567621;ThickAsThieves;ah
625286;1397567625;mircea_popescu;hey kakobrekla : your !b add-on was so successful, people don't even know how to bash as a result.
625287;1397567641;nubbins`;needs params
625288;1397567652;mircea_popescu;does nawt
625289;1397567655;nubbins`;!b [2:5,7:14]
625290;1397567662;nubbins`;imagine
625291;1397567667;mircea_popescu;fucking geeks omfg. !b for insta and go paste in the site otherwise
625292;1397567704;ThickAsThieves;never heard of bash til the !b arrived
625293;1397567709;nubbins`;:0
625294;1397567711;nubbins`;wat
625295;1397567729;ThickAsThieves;i'm not quite as nerdy as it seems
625296;1397567742;mircea_popescu;a! but have you ever heard of bishibosh ?
625297;1397567755;nubbins`;i've got quotes on bash.org from when i was like 15 ;(
625298;1397567771;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yeah well you're special`
625299;1397567775;nubbins`;heh
625300;1397567778;nubbins`;well, maybe 17
625301;1397567779;ThickAsThieves;after looking up bishibosh, surely ive had exposure
625302;1397567795;ThickAsThieves;nubbins thats cuz you been complaining since the womb
625303;1397567797;nubbins`;funny, there was a scammer trying to impersonate me in -otc the other day
625304;1397567801;nubbins`;nickname: nubbins``
625305;1397567809;nubbins`;y'know, the sort of nick that a non-scammer would have
625306;1397567819;steven-__;really like this new model you have imposed mircea_popescu having to be voiced to talk. it makes me think back to when oink died and two sites popped up to trade music waffles and what it was much harder to get into what having to pass a test about encoding quality lossly vs lossless http://www.whatinterviewprep.com/ but over the years you can really see the
625307;1397567819;steven-__;advantages to limiting who can be involved to people who care enough to learn the basics
625308;1397567842;mircea_popescu;in my defense, i merely suggested it.
625309;1397567881;nubbins`;now, i gotta print posters
625310;1397567895;nubbins`;i ended up removing the Hobo typeface from that one i shared ;(
625311;1397567904;mircea_popescu;but think of the environment nubbins` ! wouldn't you rather sit here and chat with us ?
625312;1397567910;mircea_popescu;instead of causing cancer and so forth ?
625313;1397567914;nubbins`;water-based inks bruh
625314;1397567926;nubbins`;you can pour 'em straight into the ocean with impunity
625315;1397567941;mircea_popescu;you make a pretty shitty middleaged woman.
625316;1397567965;pankkake;steven-__: eheh exactly :)
625317;1397567969;nubbins`;phew!
625318;1397567978;mircea_popescu;gotta eat moar soy sauce
625319;1397567987;steven-__;yea pankkake your blog post was what got me thinking about it
625320;1397567991;kakobrekla;steven-__ i did about 0.5k or so interviews for what btw.
625321;1397567995;ThickAsThieves;http://www.sparkyscreenprints.com/water-based-myth/
625322;1397568005;pankkake;I blog posted about it? or comment maybe
625323;1397568041;steven-__;https://what.cd/user.php?id=315790 is me
625324;1397568128;kakobrekla;3 and a half years behind me :p
625325;1397568149;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you did 500 interviews for what ?
625326;1397568154;pankkake;what's your username kakobrekla? (I'm simply pankkake as I am everywhere)
625327;1397568157;kakobrekla;yes mp.
625328;1397568167;steven-__;yea i had an account around the time oink ended but ended up using waffles and tt
625329;1397568177;steven-__;so when i came back to what i was blown away at how much better it was
625330;1397568189;nubbins`;http://www.matsui-color.com/water_based.php
625331;1397568191;nubbins`;;p
625332;1397568213;pankkake;yeah, oink being closed ended up… a good thing. more competition, new software
625333;1397568271;nubbins`;indeed, not all water-based inks are created equal, which is why we use the good ones ;D
625334;1397568272;kakobrekla;This tree has 955 entries, 254 branches, and a depth of 6. It has 670 Users (70%), 214 Members (22%), 57 Power Users (6%), 13 Elites (1%) and 1 Torrent Master (0%). 536 users are disabled (56%), and 96 users have donated (10%).
625335;1397568280;pankkake;:o
625336;1397568291;pankkake;lol 56% of fail
625337;1397568301;kakobrekla;yes , well , people.
625338;1397568316;pankkake;i guess it's easy to cheat on the interview
625339;1397568320;nubbins`;TBF we only use WB for paper, and plastisol for shirts. but once you cure plastisol, you can do w/e you want with it
625340;1397568337;kakobrekla;mostly its people who do not understand how hard it is to seed here
625341;1397568342;kakobrekla;i mean, you can not describe it.
625342;1397568368;kakobrekla;tbh i have been helping by not seeding for last 2 years or so
625343;1397568395;pankkake;I upload new stuff and seed forever, never had to worry about anything
625344;1397568438;kakobrekla;i got to be tm for a short bit, but then lost the will and got degraded to elite :|
625345;1397568473;pankkake;I have been stuck in elite for years, yet I'm close
625346;1397568493;pankkake;unless there is a secret porn subforum, not interested
625347;1397568503;kakobrekla;its been fun even if people in charge are douchebags
625348;1397568514;pankkake;yeah, they banned me from the forums
625349;1397568547;kakobrekla;and i was 'sassing' some mod, they took my avatar rights as a reward.
625350;1397568553;kakobrekla;lel
625351;1397568553;steven-__;what has pretty good forums but in general i'm over the genre almost made some DIY speaker last year
625352;1397568636;kakobrekla;if its from those forums , its shit speakers.
625353;1397568640;pankkake;This tree has 144 entries, 36 branches, and a depth of 5. It has 113 Users (78%), 23 Members (16%), 6 Power Users (4%) and 2 Elites (1%). 97 users are disabled (67%), and 6 users have donated (4%).
625354;1397568645;pankkake;ok, I'm worst
625355;1397568648;pankkake;worse
625356;1397568716;mircea_popescu;!up andreas_
625357;1397568716;assbot;Voicing andreas_ for 30 minutes.
625358;1397568716;pankkake;by the way:
625359;1397568716;pankkake;::view
625360;1397568718;pankkake;;;view
625361;1397568719;gribble;#20302 Sat Apr 12 11:27:48 2014 pankkake SELL 999.0 Private torrent trackers invites @ 0 FREE (Theses are free, only requirement is WoT presence. Keep your bitcoins to donate to the actual operators.)
625362;1397568729;pankkake;some assholes are selling those
625363;1397568739;mircea_popescu;lol
625364;1397568774;kakobrekla;meh i wouldnt risk it
625365;1397568785;kakobrekla;people dont appreciate such things.
625366;1397568952;TestingUnoDosTre;What is this private torrent tracker?
625367;1397568981;pankkake;I have many, music, movies, porn, whatever you need
625368;1397568987;steven-__;most people forget and get disabled or can't keep up a good ratio because they only download stuff that's 12 hours old and seed it for 24-48 hours on (good trackers)
625369;1397569006;pankkake;I'm very sad underground-gamer closed, it was a gold mine of old great games
625370;1397569067;joecool;pankkake: got hdbits
625371;1397569067;joecool;?
625372;1397569174;pankkake;joecool: "Invites are disabled for the moment. May never come back"
625373;1397569195;joecool;bummer
625374;1397569198;pankkake;so I have one, unusable
625375;1397569263;TestingUnoDosTre;:(
625376;1397569282;mircea_popescu;!up steven-__
625377;1397569282;assbot;Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
625378;1397569310;TestingUnoDosTre;Just got 2001 a space oddessy the other night. Gonna smoke up and make a holiday of it
625379;1397569346;pankkake;spaced odyssey
625380;1397569400;TestingUnoDosTre;Bah
625381;1397569421;mircea_popescu;lol good one
625382;1397569424;mircea_popescu;!up Naphex
625383;1397569424;assbot;Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes.
625384;1397569491;kakobrekla;2001 is a great flick
625385;1397569501;Naphex;i was just about to auth with gribble, pre-thanks :)
625386;1397569528;mircea_popescu;lol cool.
625387;1397569542;kakobrekla;its prolly better than dead man, now that i think of it.
625388;1397569551;mircea_popescu;Naphex didn't recall if you were on the list or not
625389;1397569578;kakobrekla;well you still need to get your own voice
625390;1397569584;kakobrekla;borrowed one is a borrowed one.
625391;1397569593;kakobrekla;gotta give it back
625392;1397569623;Naphex;;;ident Naphex
625393;1397569624;gribble;Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu
625394;1397569629;Naphex;there we go.
625395;1397569639;mircea_popescu;what's btcxchange.ro ?
625396;1397569642;TestingUnoDosTre;I just listened to the book on audio and its probably one of my favorite science fiction
625397;1397569655;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot Naphex
625398;1397569656;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Naphex: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Naphex | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Naphex | Rated since: never
625399;1397569667;mircea_popescu;you ain't in the list yo
625400;1397569674;joecool;TestingUnoDosTre: not 2001 honda odyssey?
625401;1397569680;steven-__;the prisoner was filming next to 2001 a space oddessy when they weren't on location at portmeirion
625402;1397569704;steven-__;;;google the prisoner
625403;1397569705;gribble;The Prisoner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prisoner>; The Prisoner (TV Series 1967–1968) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061287/>; The Prisoner (TV Mini-Series 2009) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1043714/>
625404;1397569722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8754 @ 0.00096534 = 8.4506 BTC [+] {2} 
625405;1397569748;Naphex;mircea_popescu: romanian bitcoin->ron exchange where i slave during the day ;]
625406;1397569754;ThickAsThieves;i just lost my copy of Anathema, i was just getting started :(
625407;1397569758;pankkake;ron?
625408;1397569760;mircea_popescu;Naphex never heard of it :D
625409;1397569777;mircea_popescu;pankkake romania changed its rol (romanian leu) at 10k for the new romanian leu so thus... ron
625410;1397569795;pankkake;I hope it's to honor Ron Paul!
625411;1397569812;bounce;they let their slaves irc from production servers?
625412;1397569833;Naphex;bounce: yeah its in the job benefits ;]
625413;1397569839;mircea_popescu;orderbook... tons of asks, no bids.
625414;1397569856;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
625415;1397569858;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.52, Best ask: 494.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 494.0, 24 hour volume: 30795.89377194, 24 hour low: 448.1, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.757676521
625416;1397569874;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1514.0/492.52
625417;1397569874;gribble;3.07398684317
625418;1397569878;bounce;so what do you do there?
625419;1397569898;mircea_popescu;;;calc 3.23 / 3.07
625420;1397569899;gribble;1.05211726384
625421;1397569916;mircea_popescu;bout 5% off. some arb opportunity i guess. Naphex what's the confirmation process like ?
625422;1397569925;Naphex;bb in a few, gotta drive home. closing the office
625423;1397569955;Naphex;mircea_popescu: ID with quick confirmation for 15k eur+, some other paperwork for higher limit
625424;1397569965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0653 = 0.3265 BTC [-]
625425;1397569998;mircea_popescu;Naphex as a business ?
625426;1397570010;Naphex;as a bussiness its a monthly limit for 220k RON
625427;1397570026;Naphex;about 50k eur
625428;1397570037;mircea_popescu;and what do you do bout the vat ?
625429;1397570057;Naphex;there is no vat
625430;1397570073;mircea_popescu;lol interesting.
625431;1397570076;mircea_popescu;!up cnxmari
625432;1397570076;assbot;Voicing cnxmari for 30 minutes.
625433;1397570081;mircea_popescu;whoa look at copper jesus.
625434;1397570102;mircea_popescu;how the fuck can copper drop ? i mean gold, i get it, political interest, fake bla bla bla, whatever. ok. but copper ?!
625435;1397570109;mircea_popescu;it's rarer than gold these days!
625436;1397570126;bounce;I s'pose there's the demand side
625437;1397570148;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.06510404 = 2.4088 BTC [-] {10} 
625438;1397570149;pankkake;because romanians are busy stealing it and undercutting the market
625439;1397570182;mircea_popescu;what, romanians sell it on the cme ?
625440;1397570209;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 125 @ 0.06499443 = 8.1243 BTC [-] {4} 
625441;1397570270;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3828 @ 0.00016169 = 0.6189 BTC [-] {7} 
625442;1397570303;Apocalyptic;<pankkake> because romanians are busy stealing it and undercutting the market // that's what gypsies do in slovakia
625443;1397570338;pankkake;well, I'm saying romanians to tease, in France it's gypsies/roms/whatever
625444;1397570356;ThickAsThieves;copper dropping cuz chinese are involved with it
625445;1397570367;ThickAsThieves;PBOC gonna ban copper!
625446;1397570372;mircea_popescu;lol
625447;1397570462;fluffypony;lol
625448;1397570578;mircea_popescu;just did a stats on http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ :
625449;1397570584;mircea_popescu;mircea_popescu 14, benkay 12, jborkl 10, bingoboingo 8, bitcoinpete 8, khersonus 5, jurov 1, mike_c 1.
625450;1397570609;TestingUnoDosTre;How does one get on this blag
625451;1397570623;mircea_popescu;you make a blog and bug pankkake pretty much
625452;1397570636;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
625453;1397570643;mircea_popescu;http://www.vox.com/2014/4/14/5614180/colorados-marijuana-tax-revenue-is-up-and-its-great-for-schools
625454;1397570670;TestingUnoDosTre;Oh my, went to Colorado for my off week. Place is like heaven on earth
625455;1397570697;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
625456;1397570708;TestingUnoDosTre;They put a quarter ounce limit on purchasers from out of state, but you can walk right in the next day
625457;1397570726;mircea_popescu;a quarter ounce should be enough to smoke yourself out pretty well no ?
625458;1397570733;mircea_popescu;in more cattle-related news, http://t.co/N08QeqZ14E
625459;1397570741;TestingUnoDosTre;Yes indeed
625460;1397570754;mircea_popescu;uh i mean https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlQzuRVIgAAhl_U.jpg
625461;1397570796;TestingUnoDosTre;But I drove out there to ski, so I could take home extra
625462;1397570813;TestingUnoDosTre;In theory of course
625463;1397570834;Duffer1;thickasthieves gotta buy another copy then ^.^ it's worth it
625464;1397570892;TestingUnoDosTre;Is it sci-fi or what?
625465;1397570937;Duffer1;is what?
625466;1397570941;Duffer1;anathema?
625467;1397570956;TestingUnoDosTre;Anathema
625468;1397570957;mike_c;some of us only write when we have something to say ;)
625469;1397570996;Duffer1;er sorry Anathem
625470;1397570998;ThickAsThieves;so far Anathema seems very Vonnegut
625471;1397571002;ThickAsThieves;yeah
625472;1397571003;ThickAsThieves;Anathem
625473;1397571027;TestingUnoDosTre;Oooh KV is the way to be
625474;1397571039;ThickAsThieves;it's also absolutely nothing like Reamde\
625475;1397571039;mircea_popescu;mike_c ikr ?
625476;1397571048;ThickAsThieves;which i didnt finish
625477;1397571138;pankkake;!up steven-__
625478;1397571138;assbot;Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
625479;1397571264;TestingUnoDosTre;All great sci-fi aside,  anybody read Lermontovs A Hero of Our Time?
625480;1397571406;mircea_popescu;yea
625481;1397571893;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/maged-permabanned-mpoe-pr-because-she-swore-shock.292615/page-5#post-5920398
625482;1397571916;mircea_popescu;lol someone caught on the splendid "free speech" dilemma maged built for teh tardstalk management.
625483;1397571965;mircea_popescu;"we don't ban scams and scammers, but this isn't because they pay us, it's simply because we believe in free speech ; we do however ban people exercising free speech, because it's bad for business."
625484;1397572100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0524 = 0.3144 BTC [-] {2} 
625485;1397572101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.032 = 0.192 BTC [+] {2} 
625486;1397572102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-]
625487;1397572161;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03110007 = 0.1244 BTC [-] {3} 
625488;1397572162;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0524 = 0.2096 BTC [-] {3} 
625489;1397572163;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-] {3} 
625490;1397572165;fluffypony;"The fact that people like MPOE-PR, Deprived, and pankkake were paid to say I was a scammer and lie about me didn't help either."
625491;1397572170;fluffypony;so, how do I get a piece of this action?
625492;1397572173;fluffypony;:-P
625493;1397572187;Apocalyptic;Deprived was paid nao ?
625494;1397572207;Duffer1;who's quoted there fluffypony?
625495;1397572212;fluffypony;Duffer1: usagi
625496;1397572218;Duffer1;ah
625497;1397572228;pankkake;who said that
625498;1397572231;Apocalyptic;the length people go to make up shit these days... amazes me
625499;1397572235;fluffypony;"Look at Marc (Kakobrekla) who is now business partners with Mircea Popescu. When Pirate collapsed, CPA paid him 1140 BTC. Just like that. We didn't scam anybody. But what does he do? He removed his WOT rating for me."
625500;1397572243;fluffypony;kakobrekla: how could you do that! remove a WOT rating! the horror.
625501;1397572245;pankkake;well usagi given that he mentions Deprived
625502;1397572257;pankkake;but that's a new one for me
625503;1397572265;bounce;``Because this is still the prime (and only meaningful) communication forum for bitcoin and those of us who believe in bitcoin try to keep it as useful as possible.'' -- ckolivas https://bitcointa.lk/threads/maged-permabanned-mpoe-pr-because-she-swore-shock.292615/page-2#post-5745988
625504;1397572274;kakobrekla;but my name is not marc :(
625505;1397572282;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla shut up marc :D
625506;1397572282;fluffypony;kakobrekla: it is now!
625507;1397572287;Apocalyptic;haha poor kako, first Martin, then Marc
625508;1397572288;kakobrekla;and he didnt pay 1140, twas less.
625509;1397572293;jborkl;obvious scams to customers ok, fuck you not ok- we understand da ruulz now
625510;1397572298;mircea_popescu;marcel kakobrekla!
625511;1397572348;mircea_popescu;afaik he did in fact pay a hefty sum back i nthe day (btc was like 5 bux then or something). all those posts are beleeted now, but they were riotous
625512;1397572357;mircea_popescu;ended up selling his guitar or something.
625513;1397572381;nubbins`;marsellus kakobreklus
625514;1397572404;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is ckolivas
625515;1397572413;joecool;con
625516;1397572428;jborkl;CGminer dev
625517;1397572436;jborkl;good guy , very smart
625518;1397572461;joecool;he gasses children for a living
625519;1397572477;nubbins`;you can make a living doing that?
625520;1397572488;joecool;yeah, medical school, etc
625521;1397572492;nubbins`;ah
625522;1397572496;*;nubbins` ponders this over coffee
625523;1397572497;jborkl;he is a doctor first
625524;1397572514;fluffypony;isn't he the guy Luke-Jr is constantly fighting with?
625525;1397572516;nubbins`;i remember trying to describe being gassed for my tonsil removal
625526;1397572522;joecool;fluffypony: yeah
625527;1397572528;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
625528;1397572529;nubbins`;after struggling for a bit, i said "it's like doing whippets until you pass out"
625529;1397572542;nubbins`;moments later, i realized it *is* doing whippets until you pass out
625530;1397572545;*;mircea_popescu ponders this over whippets
625531;1397572549;nubbins`;heh!
625532;1397572552;joecool;i got to know him awhile back from his kernel patchset, his main coding hobby before bitcoin was rewriting the linux cpu sched
625533;1397572562;mircea_popescu;"The Whippet (also English Whippet or Snap dog) is a breed of medium-sized dog"
625534;1397572569;nubbins`;;;ud whippet
625535;1397572570;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whippet | Nitrous oxide found in small metal cannisters used in refillable whipped cream cannisters. Used as an inhalant drug to get high.
625536;1397572577;mircea_popescu;i knew all you labradorian/newfoundlandians are weird. sexually speaking.
625537;1397572579;mircea_popescu;with dogs.
625538;1397572606;nubbins`;hey now!
625539;1397572614;mircea_popescu;joecool jborkl so basically old time dev with impacted notions. aite.
625540;1397572619;joecool;Linux superbia 3.13.10-ck1 #5 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 14 18:25:25 EDT 2014 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2760QM CPU @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
625541;1397572641;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: There's been hostility between the two that leds to the cgminer bfgminer fork
625542;1397572642;joecool;Luke-Jr: you need to msg the bot to talk
625543;1397572651;mircea_popescu;!up Luke-Jr
625544;1397572651;assbot;Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes.
625545;1397572652;BingoBoingo;!up Luke-Jr
625546;1397572652;assbot;Voice for Luke-Jr extended to 30 minutes.
625547;1397572655;Luke-Jr;what bot
625548;1397572658;joecool;assbot
625549;1397572659;mircea_popescu;id with gribble then msg assbot !up
625550;1397572694;fluffypony;you need to massage assbot:-P
625551;1397572705;mircea_popescu;"This user is currently NOT AUTHENTICATED. If you are currently talking to someone who claims to be this person, you may be talking to an impostor and scammer."
625552;1397572710;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 240 @ 0.00077777 = 0.1867 BTC [-]
625553;1397572711;mircea_popescu;!hi assbot
625554;1397572718;nubbins`;Darwin Jons-MB.local 13.1.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.1.0: Thu Jan 16 19:40:37 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.90.20~2/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
625555;1397572719;nubbins`;;(
625556;1397572722;mircea_popescu;^ that's me talking to a scammeur!
625557;1397572812;mircea_popescu;so twitter bought gnip
625558;1397572843;nubbins`;;;ud gnip
625559;1397572843;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gnip%20gnop | gnip gnop. Simply put, Ping Pong spelled backwards. Slang and humorous word used instead of "Ping Pong". Origin: Mansfield University, PA. "You boys up for ...
625560;1397572852;nubbins`;WHAT SORCERY IS THIS
625561;1397572895;mircea_popescu;nubbins` they were a data miner, on the full feeds of shit like twitter and instagram
625562;1397572918;nubbins`;so twitter bought their own data
625563;1397572922;fluffypony;so twitter bought a data miner of their own data?
625564;1397572925;fluffypony;snap nubbins`
625565;1397572950;joecool;i suppose it's easier than paying for the development of a new internal tool
625566;1397572954;bounce;keeps the competition from looting your "IP", and maybe allows you to snoop on the competition.
625567;1397572956;nubbins`;heh
625568;1397572970;nubbins`;joecool for some definitions of "easy"
625569;1397572970;joecool;bounce: and that too
625570;1397572972;fluffypony;"hey dawg, I heard you like data, so we bought some data so we could put your data inside the data"
625571;1397572977;mircea_popescu;fluffypony esentially.
625572;1397572996;mircea_popescu;they were investors in it anyway iirc.
625573;1397573028;mircea_popescu;really this entire circus is not so much unlike usagi's 2012 businesses. usagi-cpa has bought usagi-derp from usagi-herp worth OVER NINE THOUSAND
625574;1397573135;bounce;value-add to the valuation, win-win maximisation, hey hey hey
625575;1397573138;BingoBoingo;Really usagi is probably more instructive than Pirateat40 for things to beware of
625576;1397573212;mircea_popescu;prolly, yeah
625577;1397573235;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/M3tGFBZ
625578;1397573473;pankkake;Marcel is a beauf(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauf) name
625579;1397573484;pankkake;it's also the French name of the wifebeater shirt
625580;1397573756;bounce;bit of a recursive fail, that pic
625581;1397573869;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.064305 = 0.1286 BTC [+] {2} 
625582;1397573870;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00012005 = 0.7203 BTC [-] {3} 
625583;1397574335;mircea_popescu;soo, some twerps in spain decided "trilema" sounds kinda cool, started a foundation whatever. i sent them a friendly note about six months ago pointing out that it's a registered trademark and they're playing with fire. which they ignored.
625584;1397574370;mircea_popescu;so today i got to send them a notice that they either self-destruct and apologize or else i'm suing them. in, obviouisly, romanian court.
625585;1397574379;mike_c;do they spell it wrong too?
625586;1397574388;fluffypony;is the trademark registered in the EU, or just in Romania?
625587;1397574396;*;fluffypony has no idea how EU trademark law works
625588;1397574397;mircea_popescu;http://www.fundaciontrilema.org/
625589;1397574411;mircea_popescu;fluffypony http://trilema.com/2011/trilema®/
625590;1397574412;pankkake;spanish is spelled wrong
625591;1397574420;mircea_popescu;nice class 41, too, which makes it pretty lulzy.
625592;1397574427;mike_c;hah, you against a bunch of geezers :)
625593;1397574434;mircea_popescu;they better pay up.
625594;1397574445;joecool;you whippersnapper!
625595;1397574445;mircea_popescu;ima buy bitcoins out of trademark enforcing moneyz, how about that!
625596;1397574447;fluffypony;ah, it's across EU
625597;1397574453;mircea_popescu;fluffypony us too, actually.
625598;1397574461;fluffypony;nice
625599;1397574464;*;fluffypony ponders
625600;1397574467;pankkake;the real question is why would you care?
625601;1397574470;mircea_popescu;they have a reciprocity deal so mickey mouse can be owned by disney
625602;1397574476;mircea_popescu;pankkake it pays to care.
625603;1397574489;joecool;!up Luke-Jr
625604;1397574489;assbot;Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes.
625605;1397574493;mircea_popescu;they could have arranged a license back last year, if they had a clue.
625606;1397574498;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: was that costly? I'm an Italian citizen, wife is German, so I can register an EU trademark instead of the shitty meaningless South African one
625607;1397574505;mircea_popescu;it doesn't pay to ignore what i say, and i'm definitely going to be enforcing THAT part.
625608;1397574513;mircea_popescu;fluffypony a few grand.
625609;1397574518;fluffypony;not bad
625610;1397574519;mircea_popescu;like tms normally cost.
625611;1397574527;fluffypony;yeah, same as here
625612;1397574534;TestingUnoDosTre;Oh my I love the term USBS. please use moar often
625613;1397574536;mircea_popescu;and you don't need to be any sort of citizen, you can reg it on your corp.
625614;1397574544;joecool;US trademarks are a lot cheaper
625615;1397574544;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre yeah huh!
625616;1397574558;mircea_popescu;joecool somehow i doubt that.
625617;1397574561;Apocalyptic;http://bases-marques.inpi.fr/ confirms the trademark
625618;1397574569;mircea_popescu;granted i've not reg'd any in years, but they were about the same back in the day
625619;1397574572;joecool;mircea_popescu: for a US trademark, i think it cost ~$400 or so
625620;1397574578;mircea_popescu;a but that's us only.
625621;1397574591;mircea_popescu;yeah, you can get regional marks in the us too, for a coupla hundred iirc.
625622;1397574597;mircea_popescu;in the eu too i mean
625623;1397574601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0325 = 0.5525 BTC [+]
625624;1397574609;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic well it'd better eh.
625625;1397574616;joecool;mircea_popescu: i must have misread, i thought trilema was just EU-registered
625626;1397574621;mircea_popescu;nah.
625627;1397574784;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 39 @ 0.08299776 = 3.2369 BTC [-]
625628;1397574906;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00519999 = 0.156 BTC [-]
625629;1397574951;Apocalyptic;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anathem is this the book TAT mentionned earlier ?
625630;1397575108;mircea_popescu;!up wywialm
625631;1397575108;assbot;Voicing wywialm for 30 minutes.
625632;1397575129;wywialm;hi, thanks for upvoting
625633;1397575134;mircea_popescu;yeah.
625634;1397575142;mircea_popescu;;;rate wywialm 1 New blood
625635;1397575143;wywialm;will ident in a second
625636;1397575143;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wywialm has been recorded.
625637;1397575150;mircea_popescu;now you can selfup.
625638;1397575156;wywialm;wow, thanks
625639;1397575243;wywialm;;;ident
625640;1397575243;gribble;Nick 'wywialm', with hostmask 'wywialm!~numeris@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl', is identified as user 'wywialm', with GPG key id B8F8FFF5052A2FA4, key fingerprint 6066C0309D81DBE48E97D6CCB8F8FFF5052A2FA4, and bitcoin address None
625641;1397575311;ThickAsThieves;copyright troll!
625642;1397575387;BingoBoingo;From 2010, related to the Cow business in Utah http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers
625643;1397575510;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves no, actually, patent troll!
625644;1397575560;mircea_popescu;It'll take plenty of military paychecks to cover the $5,600 price tag
625645;1397575574;mircea_popescu;that's actually remarkably cheap
625646;1397575622;BingoBoingo;Well they give is paygrade as E-3 and the year 2010, lemme pull up the paycheck
625647;1397575665;BingoBoingo;With the 4 years of service mentioned $1923/month
625648;1397575668;mircea_popescu;bout 2k
625649;1397575669;thestringpuller;https://github.com/adobe/source-code-pro - downloading fonts from github...dunno how I should feel about this...
625650;1397575672;mircea_popescu;yeah
625651;1397575761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1657 @ 0.00012 = 0.1988 BTC [-]
625652;1397575779;mircea_popescu;!up neilol
625653;1397575779;assbot;Voicing neilol for 30 minutes.
625654;1397575788;neilol;thank you sir
625655;1397575805;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo anyway, what i meant was teh gun is pretty cheap considering it's a .5 bolt
625656;1397575810;mircea_popescu;neilol sure
625657;1397575832;mircea_popescu;!up Neil
625658;1397575832;assbot;Voicing Neil for 30 minutes.
625659;1397575839;mircea_popescu;hey, you know hopw to voice yourself do you ?
625660;1397575849;neilol;register with gribble
625661;1397575857;neilol;not sure of the process but if i need it
625662;1397575861;neilol;i'll figure it out
625663;1397575866;joecool;;;guide
625664;1397575867;gribble;Error: "guide" is not a valid command.
625665;1397575875;joecool;wat
625666;1397575880;mircea_popescu;wow ?!
625667;1397575883;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah. Still the expensive part with something like that is feeding it.
625668;1397575891;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6232636#msg6232636
625669;1397575899;mircea_popescu;neilol i meant Neil. you, i think you'll have to get into the wot first
625670;1397575916;mircea_popescu;!up Naphex
625671;1397575916;assbot;Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes.
625672;1397575922;Naphex;thanks
625673;1397575936;Naphex;tbh this might be an annoying system :]
625674;1397575943;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+] {3} 
625675;1397575944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05115252 = 0.2046 BTC [-] {3} 
625676;1397575945;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.08299776 = 0.332 BTC [-] {3} 
625677;1397575993;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what's it, like 3 bux a round
625678;1397576008;BingoBoingo;Lemme pull that up
625679;1397576009;mircea_popescu;Naphex get rated then it's a breeze
625680;1397576022;Naphex;don't do much OTC to get rated
625681;1397576053;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Rifle_cartridge_comparison.jpg anyway, instructive comparison.
625682;1397576098;BingoBoingo;No less than $3.50 quickly goes up from there
625683;1397576127;pankkake;first one is basically a dildo
625684;1397576142;mircea_popescu;http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ammunition/rifle-ammunition/50-bmg/federal-american-eagle-50-bmg-618gr-tactical-tracer-10rds-xm17c.html
625685;1397576145;mircea_popescu;they're tracers tho
625686;1397576164;mircea_popescu;but in principle if you're practice shooting you dun care.
625687;1397576195;mircea_popescu;http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FAXM33C 3.30 nato 660gr
625688;1397576197;BingoBoingo;Well depends on how far you are practicing out to.
625689;1397576205;bounce;funny how those "birthers" complain about policies set by, er, the previous guy?
625690;1397576211;mircea_popescu;"Due to limited supplies, and high demand this item has a 10 piece maximum order quantity per customer, every 1 day." heh
625691;1397576217;BingoBoingo;http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=589
625692;1397576234;mircea_popescu;meanwhile copper is tanking.
625693;1397576244;mircea_popescu;da fuck will this world make sense.
625694;1397576258;BingoBoingo;bounce: To be fair they were also angry about the guy before the previous guy
625695;1397576280;mircea_popescu;pankkake kinda has to be a dildo, cause otherwise body armor.
625696;1397576303;BingoBoingo;Also trucks
625697;1397576309;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03261752 = 0.1305 BTC [-] {3} 
625698;1397576334;bounce;that sounds like what I'd been thinking already: they're looking for excuses to dislike, instead of just admitting they don't like that party
625699;1397576354;mircea_popescu;anyway, they're like 20kj per shot.
625700;1397576370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315005 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2} 
625701;1397576394;mircea_popescu;bascially works as anti aircraft too
625702;1397576414;bounce;tree fiddy a round
625703;1397576441;mircea_popescu;should go through about an inch of steel.
625704;1397576464;Naphex;anybody from blockchain.info / or with connections to buy some ad space on it?
625705;1397576498;mircea_popescu;keonne
625706;1397576517;mircea_popescu;iirc he worked there, can prolly get you in touch with whoever.
625707;1397576557;Naphex;alright, thanks
625708;1397576643;BingoBoingo;Basically there are a lot of people who want the US to collapse the wrong way, and they were ready to see it happen over cows.
625709;1397576698;mircea_popescu;http://cryptome.org/2014/04/home-made-sec.htm << cryptome bravely wades into the public, withoiut a +m
625710;1397576701;mircea_popescu;curious how long they last.
625711;1397576987;wywialm;ha, it works!
625712;1397577003;wywialm;thanks, mircea_popescu
625713;1397577015;mircea_popescu;yw
625714;1397577018;bounce;what, there's a right way to collapse?
625715;1397577044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00096616 = 7.2462 BTC [+]
625716;1397577044;mircea_popescu;the russians don't agree, but i would say the way the soviet union collapsed is the right way to collapse.
625717;1397577066;mircea_popescu;no violence, massive humiliation, come back in two decades as a major.
625718;1397577067;Apocalyptic;bounce, there is, like there is a right way to land a plan without engines
625719;1397577094;Naphex;http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.encryption.openssl.user/51243
625720;1397577097;Apocalyptic;*plane
625721;1397577119;Naphex;akamai released a guarded allocator for openssl
625722;1397577121;bounce;IMO there's a larger issue but this is as good a hook as any, and that's that plenty the infrastructure relies on same being present and functional. there's a few ways to guard against that, and we might investigate them all.
625723;1397577122;Naphex;how nice of em
625724;1397577128;wywialm;how can this scenario be possible in case of US?
625725;1397577185;mircea_popescu;wywialm same way it was possible in the case of the ussr, i guess.
625726;1397577190;mircea_popescu;it never seems possible till it happens.
625727;1397577215;bounce;might be useful to survey the cracks and see how serious they are
625728;1397577236;mircea_popescu;bounce im not sure i follow your thought.
625729;1397577374;mircea_popescu;Naphex so what exactly is your function at this btcxchange thing ?
625730;1397577404;bounce;like inspecting a building for structural problems or a pipe or aeroplane for hairline cracks or, well, you know. only on the country level. roads, utilities, but also government, how much and what kinds of corruption, that sort of thing. map it out.
625731;1397577417;asciilifeform;re: that rifle - for some reason it is astoundingly popular.
625732;1397577448;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you know the reason ?
625733;1397577452;wywialm;bounce, what is your estimate of the current us cracks?
625734;1397577453;Naphex;mircea_popescu: mostly coding
625735;1397577455;asciilifeform;anti-materiel round
625736;1397577460;mircea_popescu;Naphex so who runs it ?
625737;1397577467;asciilifeform;a (very theoretical) pill against 'black helicopter' etc.
625738;1397577484;*;bounce hasn't even started with the study. but it looks less well than it perhaps ought to be.
625739;1397577518;Naphex;mircea_popescu: Horea Vuscan is the owner
625740;1397577541;Duffer1;is he the wallet or the ceo?
625741;1397577543;Duffer1;both?
625742;1397577594;mircea_popescu;seems the assbot was asleep at that time, but this was discussed once before : http://dpaste.com/1780498/
625743;1397577606;mircea_popescu;so whose was the idea to print the cert ? horea vuscan's ?
625744;1397577651;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.44522880 BTC to 8`385 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
625745;1397577652;wywialm;bounce, mircea_popescu, do you imagine that us collapse would come together with general usG collapse, including official default?
625746;1397577668;mircea_popescu;bounce i think your methodology is broken, in that it assumes a sort of linear scalability. broken government is not akin to broken windows.
625747;1397577687;mircea_popescu;wywialm us collapse = usg collapse. what else ? not like kansas will fall off the map or something.
625748;1397577690;Naphex;mircea_popescu: it's suposed to be wholly transparent, so yeah printing the cert was included
625749;1397577694;bounce;where'd you find linearity? o_O?
625750;1397577698;Naphex;public owner, cert printed, offices exist etc
625751;1397577704;mircea_popescu;Naphex aite send me mail from its domain i'll give you a 1 rating
625752;1397577712;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 683 @ 0.00015999 = 0.1093 BTC [+] {2} 
625753;1397577713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 2.43718776 BTC to 148`428 shares, 1642 satoshi per share
625754;1397577729;mircea_popescu;bounce here : "like inspecting a building for structural problems or a pipe or aeroplane for hairline cracks or, well, you know. only on the country level. roads, utilities, but also government, how much and what kinds of corruption, that sort of thing. map it out."
625755;1397577761;asciilifeform;'predicting that something is going to happen is a lot easier than predicting when something will happen. Suppose you have an old bridge: the concrete is cracked, chunks of it are missing with rusty rebar showing through. An inspector declares it “structurally deficient.” This bridge is definitely going to collapse at some point, but on what date? That is something that nobody can tell you. If you push for
625756;1397577761;asciilifeform;an answer, you might hear something like this: If it doesn’t collapse within a year, then it might stay up for another two. And if it stays up that long, then it might stay up for another decade. But if it stays up for an entire decade, then it will probably collapse within a year or two of that, because, given its rate of deterioration, at that point it will be entirely unclear what is holding it up.'
625757;1397577774;asciilifeform;(orlov, 'fragility and collapse.' http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/06/fragility-and-collapse-slowly-at-first.html)
625758;1397577783;bounce;I don't see it. I was saying to map it, do linear regression on it.
625759;1397577812;wywialm;i can imagine us collapse in the sense of it falling apart with some central power still serving the debt etc - not very realistic scenario, sure. I just wanted to ask to be sure
625760;1397577814;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
625761;1397577815;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00095936 / 0.00096627 (269828 shares, 258.86 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096649 / 0.00101 (3227854 shares, 3,119.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00092994 / 0.00101 (22778761 shares, 21,183.10 BTC)
625762;1397577864;BingoBoingo;wywialm: Basically the thing to hope for is USSR style collapse rather than Somalia style collapse
625763;1397577869;asciilifeform;'...If the number of cement chunks falling out of your bridge keeps doubling, you can compute the moment when every last piece of the bridge will be in the river, and that is your upper bound.'
625764;1397577915;benkay;little pockets of civilization will endure, wywialm.
625765;1397577927;benkay;near eletricity generation sites, i'm hoping.
625766;1397577929;mircea_popescu;bounce so you don't see where linearity is in "linear regression" ?
625767;1397577973;bounce;oh, there's a "not" missing there. duh.
625768;1397578004;mircea_popescu;lol ok, well, if you elide nots it'll become hard to follow :D
625769;1397578043;dignork;mircea_popescu: I talked with Spondoolies-Tech CEO, he'll try to get to this channel later tonight, if you have any specific questions I can forward then in the meantime
625770;1397578076;*;dignork trying his shilling skills
625771;1397578118;bounce;point was to make visible the rot. what to do after that, well... can even just eyeball the thing and look at crumbling acceleration rates and such
625772;1397578142;asciilifeform;'Spondoolies' ?! - actual name of something ?
625773;1397578175;dignork;asciilifeform: yes, no idea where the name came from
625774;1397578182;asciilifeform;lol
625775;1397578212;bounce;wikipedia knows, of course. sea shells.
625776;1397578214;wywialm;surely some sort of (even collapse-induced) decentralisation/recentralisation of power could bring much fresh air, but...
625777;1397578231;dexX7;can anyone tell me how google and other providers handle email rejections? i have some trouble with a hoster which i'm using as intermediate hop to relay my mails.. and currently every request/mail is rejected. service said they'll fix it "in the next 24 hours" -.-"
625778;1397578247;wywialm;...but it's hard for me to believe that us is the first in line
625779;1397578250;bounce;noticed how the french revolution caused /more/, not less, centralisation? france hasn't quite recovered yet.
625780;1397578283;fluffypony;dexX7: typically they let it through but flag it as spam unless something is very wrong
625781;1397578298;fluffypony;dexX7: is the intermediary hop in your SPF record?
625782;1397578302;wywialm;bounce, surely, but the ussr collapse, which is (as i noticed) main reference point now, lead to less centralization
625783;1397578322;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.03114122 = 0.5294 BTC [-] {5} 
625784;1397578390;dexX7;i set the ns records of the hop in the domain settings and the intermediate simply redirects the mails
625785;1397578423;wywialm;so it's not easy to perform generalizations here. Probably most obvious example of decentralizing "collapse" (or rather decline) would be Rome
625786;1397578435;bounce;that took a goodly while, though
625787;1397578457;wywialm;maybe the key difference is the time - and gradual nature
625788;1397578463;bounce;likewise the ottoman empire
625789;1397578465;fluffypony;dexX7: yes, but the email will look like it's coming from the intermediary, no? so it will have to be in your SPF?
625790;1397578475;wywialm;bounce, thats why "collapse" and not collapse
625791;1397578487;dexX7;i guess: yes
625792;1397578500;mircea_popescu;;;rate Naphex 1 btcxchange.ro
625793;1397578501;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Naphex has been recorded.
625794;1397578502;bounce;and, I don't think russia is quite done yet.
625795;1397578511;mircea_popescu;dignork that is splendid
625796;1397578520;mircea_popescu;no rush or anything
625797;1397578532;Naphex;worked, thans
625798;1397578548;mircea_popescu;bounce as a "map the rot" project this is probably valuable even if it gets no direct results.
625799;1397578551;Naphex;thanks even
625800;1397578565;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
625801;1397578565;mircea_popescu;little better available in training devices in any craft than "failure examination"
625802;1397578566;fluffypony;dexX7: I'm guessing, of course, I may be wrong
625803;1397578572;mircea_popescu;Naphex yw
625804;1397578572;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 504.6, vol: 30106.45549074 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 500.0, vol: 28341.38112 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 500.0, vol: 24475.79747123 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 512.49, vol: 110.98070707 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 501.885384, vol: 8656.54540000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 507.17532, vol: 27.56247275 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 502.51694, vol: 162.8687649 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
625805;1397578605;mircea_popescu;<wywialm> ...but it's hard for me to believe that us is the first in line << it's the first in line of the set {US}
625806;1397578612;dexX7;well, should not be much of a problem, even if it's a blackhole at the moment. thanks fluffy anyway :)
625807;1397578618;asciilifeform;http://www.rfcafe.com/miscellany/contests/images/an-introduction-to-error-analysis.jpg
625808;1397578621;fluffypony;dexX7: btw is this being used programmatically by a system, or is it normal user-generated emails?
625809;1397578627;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.063602 = 0.1908 BTC [-] {2} 
625810;1397578628;asciilifeform;(cover of an old uni textbook i had)
625811;1397578657;Apocalyptic;"ADAM BACK, CHIEF CRYPTOGRAPHY OFFICER"
625812;1397578661;mircea_popescu;<wywialm> maybe the key difference is the time - and gradual nature << they didn't have the press. which is why it took longer. ussr didn't have the internet, which is why it took so damned long.
625813;1397578663;Apocalyptic;that's a title you don't see very often
625814;1397578669;mircea_popescu;the us can collapse in all of two weeks, as tech stands today.
625815;1397578684;BingoBoingo;http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/texas/alamo-urinator-sentenced-to-prison-765419
625816;1397578706;dexX7;rabbit answered re: cold glass devices and probably comes by sooner or later
625817;1397578729;asciilifeform;cold glass?
625818;1397578732;dexX7;*dildos
625819;1397578733;dexX7;hehe
625820;1397578733;dexX7;sec
625821;1397578747;dexX7;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566626.0;all
625822;1397578749;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0075 = 0.3 BTC [+]
625823;1397578764;fluffypony;dexX7: been using this recently, and it's awesome: http://www.mailgun.com
625824;1397578770;dexX7;fluffypony: it's simply a webhost with mail service which redirects all incomings
625825;1397578809;bounce;checked the DNSBLs?
625826;1397578843;BingoBoingo;dexX7: Do you have DKIM set up?
625827;1397578846;mircea_popescu;Naphex you'll prolly have to point out to your boss you're doing more marketing/pr than anyone there.
625828;1397578848;mircea_popescu;time for a raise.
625829;1397578874;mircea_popescu;fluffypony srsly ? wtf does it do ? i was just deriding it yest.
625830;1397578880;asciilifeform;'NFC technology, you can be certain that the chip inside is exactly your chip- it has a unique authenticity signature, non-clonable, and most usefully, an access counter.' << someone needs 'protocol vs. promise' lesson?
625831;1397578913;Naphex;mircea_popescu: hehe, will send him a note :] only got 2 extra toothpicks this year:(
625832;1397578934;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I have constant issues with customers marking order updates as spam accidentally/on purpose, have that happen a few times and suddenly all customers stop getting emails from your domain
625833;1397578936;bounce;what, you're saying broadcasting unique serial numbers is somehow not automagic security on top? but! It's NFC, man!
625834;1397578946;fluffypony;all GMail customers, sorry
625835;1397578950;fluffypony;should have specified that
625836;1397578959;mircea_popescu;is this vuscan fellow the son of the oil factory vuscan, with the 3 victims traffic accident ?
625837;1397578960;fluffypony;but mailgun mails seem to go through no problem
625838;1397578963;dexX7;well, there is something about DKIM in the header
625839;1397578969;Naphex;mircea_popescu: yes
625840;1397578974;mircea_popescu;ic
625841;1397578975;Naphex;former Horea Oil
625842;1397578998;Naphex;for cooking, was named after him i think
625843;1397579011;joecool;BingoBoingo: lawl, ozzy got away with paying texas $10k to forget about it
625844;1397579028;BingoBoingo;joecool: Yeah
625845;1397579039;mircea_popescu;fluffypony so basically it sells you gmail protection services ? the spam racket ?
625846;1397579047;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: bingo
625847;1397579052;dexX7;anyway. i'm away again, thanks and bye :)
625848;1397579062;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is ycombinator involved in everything unsavoury.
625849;1397579083;bounce;they're angels, that's why
625850;1397579086;pankkake;dexX7: the basics are: reverse dns of sending server should be related to the expeditor domain (or at least be something), and SPF entries are always a plus
625851;1397579091;wywialm;mircea_popescu, still i don't see how currently visible and not visible but suspected cracks might bring down us
625852;1397579097;rithm;it's called "hacker news" after all
625853;1397579103;pankkake;you can search your IP on DNSBLs, maybe you've been flagged
625854;1397579104;joecool;$4k to "pay for the damage" who gets paid $4k to hose off a wall?
625855;1397579121;mircea_popescu;wywialm this is why i made my linearity objeciton. it won't collapse because of "cracks". it will collapse because all the people that matter are fucking sick of it.
625856;1397579132;mircea_popescu;and the people that matter are the 1%, not the average fucktard on reddit/the metro.
625857;1397579168;wywialm;true
625858;1397579192;fluffypony;yeah, because Occupy Wall Street was so successful
625859;1397579203;fluffypony;it just kinda went nowhere and fizzled out
625860;1397579214;bounce;so? hairline cracks are much less % of aeroplanes, but if you don't watch out the wings might still fall off
625861;1397579221;bounce;s/less/& than/
625862;1397579223;asciilifeform;'occupy lolstreet' is analogous to zhirinovsky's political party in the late ussr
625863;1397579228;wywialm;still, these people have some exposure to us treasuries - and yields are further than anytime from signaling default
625864;1397579229;asciilifeform;yes, the one set up by kgb
625865;1397579232;bounce;argl, cancel subst
625866;1397579235;Naphex;mircea_popescu: funny how people always remember the victim count :P
625867;1397579240;*;bounce needs food, badly
625868;1397579240;asciilifeform;as 'first second party!11!'
625869;1397579345;mircea_popescu;wywialm actually the exposure to treasuries is mostly pension funds.
625870;1397579377;asciilifeform;both -> exposure to 'bail-in'
625871;1397579410;wywialm;from my knowledge, the highest exposure is interbank collateral, bank reserves and China
625872;1397579429;mircea_popescu;in other news, the bubble is having trouble
625873;1397579430;mircea_popescu;http://www.cnbc.com/id/101585397
625874;1397579468;mircea_popescu;wywialm we were talking fo the {1%, 99%} set I thought
625875;1397579486;mircea_popescu;banks reduce to their shareholders, and foreign sovereigns don't count
625876;1397579516;mircea_popescu;china holding us debt is no sort of statement of confidence in the usg, quite the contrary, it's a claim on its asshole.
625877;1397579542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.0009663 = 16.0406 BTC [+] {3} 
625878;1397579656;wywialm;i once gave it (the china matter) a thought, and currently i believe it is to weak a claim. in case of default, china would get much much more hurt than us
625879;1397579664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
625880;1397579695;wywialm;and banks are currently increasingly departed from their shareholders, too close to washington, dc
625881;1397579723;mircea_popescu;wywialm how do you figure, "much more hurt" ?
625882;1397579730;bounce;re asimov story: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/04/07/business/gods-edging-out-robots-at-toyota-facility/
625883;1397579746;mircea_popescu;"china takes over alaska administration, in consideration of debts owed by us government"
625884;1397579748;mircea_popescu;not thaty hurt.
625885;1397579855;wywialm;china banking system is built upon dollar reserves, after they evaporate, china could only use military force. And when it comes to war, any claim can serve only as a pretext
625886;1397579876;wywialm;i don't believe china would need a pretext if they were sufficiently prepared
625887;1397579892;mircea_popescu;i don't see that claim.
625888;1397579904;wywialm;bonds as a claim
625889;1397579906;mircea_popescu;chinese banks were built that way briefly in the 70s, i would guess.
625890;1397579937;mircea_popescu;meanwhile it's a lot more complicated, they also peg to the euro, they also peg to a russian synthetic-currency derived out of energy holdings,
625891;1397579943;mircea_popescu;and these are just the big ones
625892;1397580015;mircea_popescu;http://en.voice-yemen.com/content/uploads/blog-64-china-exports.jpg this is illustrative.
625893;1397580023;wywialm;why then the china monetary growth halts so rapidly when US QE3 is gradually folding, both in terms of dollar money supply growth and expectation of its future path?
625894;1397580037;mircea_popescu;their asian interests marginally exceed us and europe combined, for instance.
625895;1397580048;mircea_popescu;so while it wouldn't be alaksa per se, there's plenty of places it can be.
625896;1397580117;mircea_popescu;wywialm many possible reasons. they had a number of local crises brewing for a long time, when your neighbour is arrested for unkempt yard is a good time to do a little lawn mowing in your own.
625897;1397580218;wywialm;if the dollar wasn't their main reference point and concern, PBoC could sustain their previous money growth at will
625898;1397580235;wywialm;after all, inflating the currency is not so difficult
625899;1397580281;mircea_popescu;of course they could.
625900;1397580285;mircea_popescu;they don't seem to want to.
625901;1397580308;bounce;how much for alaska, buying a free state with bitcoin?
625902;1397580308;wywialm;obviously true, at least in case of china.
625903;1397580344;wywialm;i remember some economists claiming that e.g. Japan couldn't inflate any further by printing money
625904;1397580347;mircea_popescu;bounce i would guess when it eventually sells it'll be something like 500k-1mn btc
625905;1397580376;wywialm;that was before Kuroda at the BoJ, of course
625906;1397580391;mircea_popescu;wywialm lol
625907;1397580411;wywialm;google richard koo, if i recall correcty
625908;1397580426;mircea_popescu;"Today, the tech industry is apparently on track to destroy one of the world’s most valuable cultural treasures, San Francisco, "
625909;1397580438;mircea_popescu;dude holy shit. san francisco is barely fucking notable, what is this navel grazing crap.
625910;1397580457;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
625911;1397580527;wywialm;and hordes of speciffically flavoured keynesians fearing the zero lower bound of interest rates, the called for fiscal expansion as a substitute
625912;1397580574;mircea_popescu;wywialm japan is not salvageable anyway.
625913;1397580581;bounce;o_O?
625914;1397580588;mircea_popescu;it has a history, but no future, just like england has a history, but no future.
625915;1397580616;Apocalyptic;not so sure about england
625916;1397580621;Apocalyptic;but definitely about Japan
625917;1397580625;mircea_popescu;they'll be the 51th state of their respective local superpowers, and be used exactly like san francisco is used today
625918;1397580633;joecool;nubbins`: you buying at all? i need a small amount of CAD
625919;1397580640;mircea_popescu;"o hey, 200 years ago mark twain whom you've read though this place was pretty cool.
625920;1397580643;mircea_popescu;back then, it was."
625921;1397580644;wywialm;i agree about japan
625922;1397580744;mircea_popescu;anyway, this piece is pretty lulzy http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/
625923;1397581019;Naphex;mircea_popescu: how do I get btcx data into gribble?:D
625924;1397581029;fluffypony;Naphex: ask nanotube
625925;1397581049;mircea_popescu;nanotube may help you with that, possibly also talk to tcatm (runs bitcoincharts)
625926;1397581050;pankkake;first step is being on bitcoincharts I think
625927;1397581068;fluffypony;good point
625928;1397581097;thestringpuller;;;ud hold up
625929;1397581098;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hold%20up | hold up. wait a minute! postpone your plans, there's something that must be addressed immediately. hold up, let me grab some munchies before we get goin.
625930;1397581099;Naphex;thanks
625931;1397581117;Naphex;already rolled out api, just need some accessors to help people with the public data
625932;1397581123;Naphex;https://api.btcxchange.ro/
625933;1397581148;danielpbarron;do you run that site?
625934;1397581176;thestringpuller;benkay: you actually here or just frontin'
625935;1397581183;Naphex;hoping to finish the data plant and eur support sometime next week
625936;1397581183;asciilifeform;'The Google Bus protesters have said that the company should build housing on its campus, but the Mountain View city council has explicitly forbidden Google from doing just that. They’ve argued that it’s to protect the city’s burrowing owl population.' << real estate parasites want to live too
625937;1397581204;Naphex;danielpbarron:  one of the main programmers behind it
625938;1397581405;benkay;i'm here thestringpuller
625939;1397581616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0524999 = 0.105 BTC [-]
625940;1397581686;bounce;programmer? can you describe your set-up a bit?
625941;1397581939;Naphex;bounce: setup of what, like the workstation?
625942;1397581979;bounce;whatever you think is important about developing and running the exchange.
625943;1397582104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.03199918 = 1.76 BTC [+] {4} 
625944;1397582109;jborkl;mircea_popescu you see the American Airways twitter reponse yesterday?
625945;1397582130;mircea_popescu;jborkl that they apologise ? ya
625946;1397582153;jborkl;ya
625947;1397582226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03280624 = 0.2624 BTC [+] {3} 
625948;1397582227;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0637 = 0.1274 BTC [-]
625949;1397582395;wywialm;!down
625950;1397582395;assbot;Need a nickname, wywialm.
625951;1397582402;wywialm;!down wywialm
625952;1397582409;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.063602 = 0.3816 BTC [-]
625953;1397582419;mircea_popescu;lolwut
625954;1397582424;mircea_popescu;!down wywialm
625955;1397582433;mircea_popescu;hahaha niceone
625956;1397582436;Naphex;bounce: well for the trading engine i focused a lot on performance and security
625957;1397582470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.08299776 = 0.581 BTC [-] {2} 
625958;1397582481;Apocalyptic;Naphex, is it in php ?
625959;1397582485;Naphex;Apocalyptic: lol no
625960;1397582505;Apocalyptic;what language then ?
625961;1397582509;Naphex;Apocalyptic: java for the backend
625962;1397582533;mircea_popescu;http://sgtreport.com/2014/04/unidentified-fighter-jets-open-fire-on-kramatorsk-airfield-casualties-reported/
625963;1397582551;mircea_popescu;java is focused on security ?!
625964;1397582554;Naphex;php for some of the frontend with no handling of critical data
625965;1397582579;Naphex;mircea_popescu: yeah, its not like its running in the browser
625966;1397582600;Naphex;plus you run it on isolated enviroment with no other vulnerable cruft there
625967;1397582612;wywialm;why did i get de-identified? why did i get kicked instead of muted?
625968;1397582625;mircea_popescu;wywialm questions for the ages.
625969;1397582631;Naphex;and you clean the input through load balancers before fowarding in it
625970;1397582690;Naphex;i expect more vulnerable code from C guys then Java guys tbh
625971;1397582700;Apocalyptic;<mircea_popescu> java is focused on security ?! // surprised as well, it's not focused on performance either
625972;1397582726;pankkake;a selling point of java is its simplicity (I'm gentle, I hate that aspect but well)
625973;1397582727;Apocalyptic;gotta love that fat VM
625974;1397582729;Naphex;its pretty high performance if you're not running on shitty servlets
625975;1397582737;pankkake;in return it's easy to analyze
625976;1397582748;Naphex;Standalone java, nio, is pretty high performance tbh
625977;1397582754;TestingUnoDosTre;Haha American airlines twitted some pron?
625978;1397582756;Naphex;BigDecimal performance nicely as well
625979;1397582762;Naphex;don't belive it, try some benchmarks :P
625980;1397582765;Apocalyptic;Naphex, high performance compared to what an equivalent code compiled in C ? doubt it
625981;1397582777;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: yeah saw that, it's hilarious :)
625982;1397582809;pankkake;java is amazing in the sense that it performs well at benchmark
625983;1397582809;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
625984;1397582818;pankkake;but when you use it it FEELS so slow
625985;1397582830;Naphex;runs pretty good
625986;1397582848;Apocalyptic;pankkake, java and amazing don't belong to the same sentence, ever :D
625987;1397582848;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
625988;1397582857;fluffypony;I'll take an exchange with Java on the back than PHP any day
625989;1397582876;pankkake;fluffypony: yeah. even though, again, I really don't like Java as a developer
625990;1397582884;Naphex;i like it
625991;1397582890;fluffypony;pankkake: I personally dislike it too
625992;1397582892;Naphex;and i do C, C++ as well
625993;1397582916;Naphex;nothing to dislike about it
625994;1397582935;Naphex;imho
625995;1397582965;Naphex;its got hard types, you get away from low level
625996;1397582973;Naphex;its not that bad too scale, threading is a breeze
625997;1397582981;Naphex;NIO classes are awesome
625998;1397583029;Naphex;everything is checked, exceptions everywhere (yes a good thing) :)
625999;1397583046;Apocalyptic;exception handlers are a killing performance
626000;1397583046;Naphex;nothing to qq about
626001;1397583058;pankkake;yes, it's certainly cleaner than C++ on that aspect
626002;1397583072;Apocalyptic;you get away from low level // that's almost always a bad thing in performance critical applications
626003;1397583082;Naphex;Apocalyptic: they don't kill too much performance when you are sensible about it
626004;1397583091;Apocalyptic;i.e. it will probably spend a tremendous amount of time doing things you don't want it doing
626005;1397583103;bounce;how do load balancers clean input?
626006;1397583105;Naphex;doing Price-Time prio is not that performance critical that you can't do it with BigDecimal and java
626007;1397583115;Naphex;or you have to do a C/C plugin to optimize :P
626008;1397583136;Apocalyptic;plugins ?
626009;1397583141;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00096695 = 1.257 BTC [+]
626010;1397583141;Naphex;bounce: load balancer with packet inspection, validate messages and packets before
626011;1397583152;Apocalyptic;since you work with sathosi-precision an uint_64 is all you need
626012;1397583166;Apocalyptic;he bignum library will once again slow things down
626013;1397583169;Apocalyptic;*the
626014;1397583173;Naphex;Apocalyptic: as in write a C .so to implement/optimize bogdowns
626015;1397583175;bounce;validate in what sense, ip packets? tcp streams?
626016;1397583190;Naphex;Apocalyptic: its not about that, you eventually want to support more currencies and some money formatting
626017;1397583207;Apocalyptic;so what ?
626018;1397583207;Naphex;bounce: down to data packets for specific services
626019;1397583228;Apocalyptic;you're telling me you will need to store things above 64-bit precision ?
626020;1397583244;bounce;http, or what're you taking in, FIX?
626021;1397583245;Apocalyptic;zimbabwe dollars planned soon ?
626022;1397583257;Naphex;hehe
626023;1397583260;fluffypony;I'd love me some Zim Dollaz
626024;1397583290;BingoBoingo;http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140414/NEWS08/304140043/Pentagon-condemns-provocative-Russian-military-action-against-U-S-Navy-ship
626025;1397583314;Naphex;Apocalyptic: its not that, but a lot more went into picking java, and i definetly wouldn't have picked C:P
626026;1397583326;Apocalyptic;why ?
626027;1397583338;Naphex;programmer availability would have been another one
626028;1397583345;Apocalyptic;for now all you're arguments for using java are kinda superfluous
626029;1397583346;Naphex;hard to find good C programmers vs java ones
626030;1397583352;Apocalyptic;*your
626031;1397583362;Naphex;this around the location where i live
626032;1397583368;Apocalyptic;and it's clearly not optimized for performance given what you've described
626033;1397583372;kakobrekla;;;rate usagi 1 Had a 1140 btc contract with usagi which entitled me to said amount on 2012-08-26. The final payment was done 2013-04-27, totaling 995 btc. The sum was 145 btc short but I agreed to let it slide because of distress on the market of the underlying 'securities' and rapid btc market price rise. The contract did not involve a requirement of leaving the feedback, but since he is asking to give him back btc 'for old time
626034;1397583372;kakobrekla;sakes', I will leave this feedback here.
626035;1397583373;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user usagi has been recorded.
626036;1397583375;Naphex;easier to debug, maintain and analyze code others produced
626037;1397583377;kakobrekla;fuck it doesnt fit
626038;1397583386;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13465 @ 0.00096695 = 13.02 BTC [+]
626039;1397583400;Apocalyptic;<Naphex> easier to debug, maintain and analyze code others produced // ok this is a point
626040;1397583406;pankkake;omg!
626041;1397583411;Apocalyptic;but you will notice it has nothing to do with performance or securit
626042;1397583413;Apocalyptic;+y
626043;1397583442;fluffypony;kakobrekla: now he'll have to recant his earlier statement
626044;1397583443;bounce;so, java for the back-end and some php for some front. what about the tradig webfront and the trading api?
626045;1397583444;fluffypony;Marc
626046;1397583445;Naphex;is from a java / rpc server standpoind :]
626047;1397583450;kakobrekla;:D
626048;1397583463;bounce;s/dig/ding/
626049;1397583471;fluffypony;Markakobrekla
626050;1397583487;kakobrekla;;;rate usagi 1 Had a 1140 btc contract with usagi which entitled me to said amount on 2012-08-26. The final payment was done 2013-04-27, totaling 995 btc. The sum was 145 btc short but I agreed to let it slide because of distress on the market of the underlying 'securities' and rapid btc market price rise. The contract did not involve a clause re. wot, but since he is asking back btc, I will leave it here.
626051;1397583488;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user usagi has changed from 1 to 1.
626052;1397583492;kakobrekla;thar.
626053;1397583503;Naphex;bounce: trading api just hits same engine api server as the frontend
626054;1397583591;mircea_popescu;Naphex you know you should be using ints for bitcoin in the first place. wtf decimal bs is this
626055;1397583615;fluffypony;yurp
626056;1397583618;Apocalyptic;mircea, see above
626057;1397583652;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla wins the "longest rate comment" contest.
626058;1397583660;kakobrekla;lol
626059;1397583667;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic yeah you beat me to it :p
626060;1397583673;Naphex;mircea_popescu: http://java-performance.info/bigdecimal-vs-double-in-financial-calculations/
626061;1397583702;Apocalyptic;who said anything about double ?
626062;1397583711;mircea_popescu;Naphex int dood. not decimal of any kind. int.
626063;1397583724;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot usagi
626064;1397583725;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012
626065;1397583728;bounce;everybody knows accounting should be done on the double
626066;1397583730;mircea_popescu;check that shit out.
626067;1397583752;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0525 = 0.1575 BTC [+] {2} 
626068;1397583753;Naphex;mircea_popescu: bigdecimal gets to deal with all that, and you don't have to store multiple currencies with a scale value as well
626069;1397583769;Naphex;i have multi-currency support handled in the engine
626070;1397583790;mircea_popescu;if i were designing this it'd all be satoshi based, and your 19.99 dollars'd read as 1999000000
626071;1397583799;mircea_popescu;but anyway1
626072;1397583802;Apocalyptic;^
626073;1397583820;Naphex;and then you would've have kept the scale value as well right
626074;1397583822;Apocalyptic;maybe just set some smaller precision on the fiat side
626075;1397583825;Naphex;USD scale .2
626076;1397583832;bounce;alright, so, you cook up a new feature. hit reload and it goes live? or how does that work?
626077;1397583832;Naphex;dogecoin .scale 8
626078;1397583847;mircea_popescu;Naphex why keep a scale value ?
626079;1397583850;Apocalyptic;bounce, hotswapping code, gotta love it
626080;1397583861;mircea_popescu;you're on a 64 bit system, who the fuck is going to deposit enough dollars to take you out of maxint
626081;1397583868;Naphex;i dunno
626082;1397583875;Naphex;why care about that>
626083;1397583876;bounce;YKINMK, and anyway, let the guy explain
626084;1397583878;Apocalyptic;mircea, because he uses some arbitrary precision library he doesn't have a clue that he doesn't need it
626085;1397583882;Naphex;use bigdecimal and let it handle o.O
626086;1397583894;mircea_popescu;92`233`720`368.54775807 worst case scenario.
626087;1397583898;mircea_popescu;even obama dun have it.
626088;1397583922;bounce;or that mexican telephone guy
626089;1397583929;davout;Apocalyptic: what's wrong with a bigdecimal type?
626090;1397583942;Naphex;davout: nothing is
626091;1397583942;Naphex;hehe
626092;1397583962;Apocalyptic;compared to native int handling it's worse performance-wise
626093;1397583967;Apocalyptic;which is what we're arguing here
626094;1397583972;Naphex;i just don't need it, and would probably run faster going native
626095;1397583979;Naphex;too bad i run this on 32 core
626096;1397583989;Naphex;and i never get too feel much performance increase yet
626097;1397583990;davout;Apocalyptic: benchmark pl0x
626098;1397584006;Apocalyptic;even so, it will use 2 registers to store one Naphex
626099;1397584013;Apocalyptic;no big deal
626100;1397584016;davout;also if you really care about this kind of performance difference you're doing some seriously messed up shit
626101;1397584022;davout;:-)
626102;1397584031;Apocalyptic;still better than the thousands of CPU-cycles overhead using that BigDecimal
626103;1397584037;Naphex;time to start writing a new exchange engine, with its own kernel ;]
626104;1397584044;bounce;in perl
626105;1397584077;Naphex;Apocalyptic: too bad i can scale this too still low cost and get whole bitcoin exchange trafic
626106;1397584081;Naphex;and not break much sweat
626107;1397584111;davout;Apocalyptic: is it what you think or have you actually benchmarked it ? also cpu cycles are a couple of order of magnitudes cheaper than the time it takes to handle it the code level by hungry humans
626108;1397584122;bounce;naphex: suppose you cook up a new feature. how does it go in? save work, reload and go?
626109;1397584145;bounce;davout: for single applications, yes. for things that run on 30M+ cpus, not so much.
626110;1397584160;davout;bounce:
626111;1397584161;Naphex;bounce: nah, git checkout, compile, run tests, test in pre-production, run tests again
626112;1397584163;bounce;s/single/& deployment/ really
626113;1397584164;Naphex;shutdown and reload
626114;1397584165;davout;whoops
626115;1397584165;Apocalyptic;davout, i don't need to benchmark something I know will require 1 ASM MUL EAX,EBX instruction for exemple compared to a Java arbitrary-precision library
626116;1397584195;Naphex;when you do git checkout there are some other code preprocessing before, but doesn't matter
626117;1397584201;bounce;alright, so you have separate dev/test/prod environments. how does roll-back work, should that be necessary?
626118;1397584235;Naphex;bounce: time based snapshots, backups, and replayable transactions with microtime acuracy
626119;1397584243;Naphex;roll back everything to point in time X
626120;1397584254;Apocalyptic;"replayable transactions with microtime acuracy" now that's something nice
626121;1397584255;Naphex;worst case scenario manual data importing and conversiion
626122;1397584264;bounce;ever tested that?
626123;1397584273;davout;Apocalyptic: what kind of software that's so sensitive to minor performance differences were you guys discussing anyway ?
626124;1397584277;Naphex;bounce: yes
626125;1397584282;bounce;assuming you didn't have to do it in anger (yet)
626126;1397584282;Apocalyptic;davout, a trading engine
626127;1397584287;fluffypony;davout: BTC<->fiat exchange
626128;1397584293;bounce;what's the database like?
626129;1397584300;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 707 @ 0.00016382 = 0.1158 BTC [-] {7} 
626130;1397584307;fluffypony;bounce: good question
626131;1397584315;davout;Apocalyptic fluffypony and you guys worry about this kind of performance difference?
626132;1397584321;fluffypony;davout: I'm not
626133;1397584339;Apocalyptic;davout, when you come in claiming you have focused on performance yes
626134;1397584342;kakobrekla;all you really need is a better string.
626135;1397584344;Naphex;bounce: in memory, sql back stores
626136;1397584347;kakobrekla;maybe a golden chain.
626137;1397584361;fluffypony;davout: I'd probably go Galera Cluster for the DB + something monolithic for the trading engine...python? nfi. I haven't thought this through.
626138;1397584363;Naphex;Apocalyptic: haven't focused that far, no more debunking needed:P
626139;1397584367;bounce;so java in-memory or something like I dunno memcached?
626140;1397584399;Naphex;java in memory, with some inhouse disk based storage, and sql backstores
626141;1397584404;fluffypony;Naphex: you should switch to mongodb, it it's good enough for CoinBase it should be good enough for everyone
626142;1397584404;fluffypony;</sarcasm>
626143;1397584404;fluffypony;web scale!
626144;1397584415;davout;Apocalyptic fluffypony i wouldn't care about that, i'd care about having a fault tolerant memory db, that slowly gets synced to an actual rdbms
626145;1397584430;bounce;apropos, which sql thinger?
626146;1397584439;Apocalyptic;mysql obviously
626147;1397584447;Naphex;psql
626148;1397584450;pankkake;obviously?
626149;1397584455;Apocalyptic;was joking :)
626150;1397584455;Naphex;obviously
626151;1397584458;bounce;obviously.
626152;1397584461;Naphex;:))
626153;1397584464;pankkake;:)
626154;1397584485;bounce;ever had the power go out?
626155;1397584495;Naphex;bounce: diesel backup ;]
626156;1397584502;Naphex;coloc
626157;1397584510;bounce;hope you don't have to crank it up manually. :-)
626158;1397584524;Naphex;there's a slave there who does it :))
626159;1397584544;bounce;he fast enough that the batteries don't outrun him then?
626160;1397584579;Naphex;he senses power loss 20 minutes early
626161;1397584596;Naphex;using romanian voodoo magic ;]
626162;1397584600;fluffypony;nice
626163;1397584604;fluffypony;gypsy slave?
626164;1397584609;fluffypony;or just ordinary slave?
626165;1397584621;Naphex;hehe
626166;1397584629;Apocalyptic;fluffypony, ask if they still have some copper left in the DC
626167;1397584633;fluffypony;lol
626168;1397584639;davout;lol
626169;1397584642;fluffypony;100mbps is good enough for anyone!
626170;1397584652;bounce;so, that's one box with 32cpus does everything except the load balancing?
626171;1397584666;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 300 @ 0.14 = 42 BTC
626172;1397584667;fluffypony;10Base-T coax, star topology?
626173;1397584703;Naphex;bounce: enough servers for everything, some stuff runs isolated
626174;1397584746;bounce;alright. monitoring?
626175;1397584753;fluffypony;http://network-communications.blogspot.com/2011/06/network-topology-star-bus-mesh-ring.html <- memories of networking in 1997
626176;1397584785;bounce;10BASE5 tentacled bus, silly
626177;1397584788;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0667238 = 0.1334 BTC [+]
626178;1397584790;bounce;VAMPIRE TAPS
626179;1397584798;fluffypony;hah
626180;1397584816;Naphex;realtime monitoring, rrd's for everything with alerts, everything critical is on a dashboard :)
626181;1397584853;bounce;who's looking at it, you?
626182;1397584871;Naphex;?
626183;1397584906;bounce;if that's a question.... anyway, whose phone's gonna ring when the dashboard turns red?
626184;1397584920;Naphex;everyones
626185;1397584942;bounce;how many people total, about five or so?
626186;1397584965;Naphex;probably
626187;1397585031;bounce;alright, the prosecution rests. ;-)
626188;1397585037;Naphex;phew :))
626189;1397585048;Naphex;nah its serious stuff
626190;1397585062;Naphex;money is important for everyone ;]
626191;1397585126;bounce;yeah. these're the sort of questions people should've been asking from the start.
626192;1397585144;bounce;you at least look to've thought about it, so that's something.
626193;1397585182;Naphex;i did lots of this stuff before, so most come in natural
626194;1397585194;bounce;you worked at a bank before?
626195;1397585201;Naphex;a lot more risk to expect from handling money and bitcoins then public transport data
626196;1397585226;Naphex;nah - no banks
626197;1397585248;Naphex;embedded and industrial app development, in software
626198;1397585250;bounce;bit of an old boys network, apparently. hard to get chummy with if you're not one of them.
626199;1397585253;Naphex;and lots of backends
626200;1397585276;bounce;ah, hence java
626201;1397585296;fluffypony;bounce: and also seems to be quite an MS shop in many parts, at least with the older more established banks
626202;1397585297;Apocalyptic;makes sense
626203;1397585310;Naphex;yes
626204;1397585324;bounce;winderz but often with ibmish backends
626205;1397585329;fluffypony;lots of IBM DB2 on the backend if it's really old stuff
626206;1397585330;fluffypony;yes
626207;1397585337;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.052 = 0.156 BTC [-]
626208;1397585408;bounce;really should do linux (well, *BSD really) thin clients at least for all the desks, and something reasonable for a back-end. which might still be some mainframe or other.
626209;1397585414;Naphex;http://www.alienconcept.ro/en/prod/cat/urban+transportation?var=2 some stuff i did
626210;1397585420;fluffypony;and then for some reason automation and tooling written in COBOL
626211;1397585439;bounce;s/desks/teller stations/
626212;1397585447;Naphex;http://www.alienconcept.ro/en/prod/name/citypark+ticket+vending+machines?var=1 and
626213;1397585448;fluffypony;bounce: from about 2003-2007 I was heavily involved with two of the local banks
626214;1397585459;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00097009 = 11.5441 BTC [+] {2} 
626215;1397585463;fluffypony;the one, Standard Bank, ran OS/2 warp in a VM for their home loans client
626216;1397585484;fluffypony;literally every single agent/manager/support person in the home loans dept used that
626217;1397585505;fluffypony;because rewriting the system would have been too expensive, and IBM sold them on OS/2 in the 80s/90s
626218;1397585521;bounce;OS/2 does funky things to the hardware, apparently a bitch to emulate
626219;1397585576;bounce;not a bad move otherwise. though I'd still be mighty tempted to just quietly start and refactor parts until I have a fully working system, even if it takes a few years
626220;1397585594;fluffypony;well that was one of the projects I was on
626221;1397585597;fluffypony;we started with reporting
626222;1397585632;fluffypony;instead of live reporting off DB2 (each business unit pays for DB2 access they use over the month, so it's pricey) it was cheaper to drop and re-copy the entire DB every night to a reporting DB
626223;1397585645;fluffypony;re-index, and fresh reports are available in the morning
626224;1397585711;fluffypony;no clue if it progressed much from there, I went on to other things
626225;1397585725;bounce;naphex: looking cool.
626226;1397585745;bounce;page appears to make some unwarranted assumptions in the layout, but anyway
626227;1397585820;Naphex;all sorts of machines for eastern europe mostly
626228;1397585856;bounce;should be plenty market, if a bit cash-strapped
626229;1397585903;Naphex;yeah
626230;1397585941;Naphex;few cities in romania that use our full solution for public transport
626231;1397585946;Naphex;some parking meters for poland
626232;1397586435;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1715 @ 0.00019872 = 0.3408 BTC [+] {8} 
626233;1397586495;mircea_popescu;http://mg.co.za/article/2014-04-11-zim-informal-economy-fast-taking-over
626234;1397586496;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 134 @ 0.0075 = 1.005 BTC [+]
626235;1397586541;fluffypony;<3 mg
626236;1397586546;fluffypony;it's honestly one of our better publications
626237;1397586883;asciilifeform;'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean
626238;1397586917;asciilifeform;(circa 2005 ?)
626239;1397587019;BingoBoingo;C == Portable language that is dangerous because it offers too many points of failure, Java ==Portable language that places points of failure in the runtime to avoid C's points of failure
626240;1397587056;Apocalyptic;C is raw power, it's dangerous if you don't really know what you're doing
626241;1397587061;asciilifeform;they give plastic scissors to grade school students, too. - but not shoemakers. not yet.
626242;1397587129;asciilifeform;also funny how the two 'philosophies' can co-exist in one school. we had an 'operating systems' class. C, naturally. about six people remained to take final exam.
626243;1397587147;asciilifeform;(from, if i recall, 40)
626244;1397587304;Naphex;i don't have anything against C
626245;1397587318;Naphex;just wouldn't use it for a big project involving 4+ programmers in a usual work day
626246;1397587321;Naphex;every
626247;1397587338;jborkl;mircea_popescu <- finally happy with this result http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140415_B5_XR9/
626248;1397587372;asciilifeform;there is really no reason to still be using CPU archs without bounds checking, hardware-enforced types, mechanical garbage collection, etc.
626249;1397587379;asciilifeform;i sorta have a blog about this.
626250;1397587431;BingoBoingo;Indeed
626251;1397587473;mike_c;hardware garbage collection? what arch does that?
626252;1397587479;pankkake;was going to ask that
626253;1397587484;pankkake;or is it possible?
626254;1397587534;jurov;iirc lisp machines had no addressable memory, only stack
626255;1397587545;jurov;no heap = no garbage colletion
626256;1397587559;jurov;*had -> exposed
626257;1397587699;mike_c;so i dump a 5mb buffer on the stack?
626258;1397587740;mike_c;is lisp functional?  this seems odd.
626259;1397588348;artifexd;jborkl: Dude! That is a seriously massive improvement!
626260;1397588654;BingoBoingo;Cool, I don't suck much either http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140415_DA_YCD/
626261;1397588821;Naphex;http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2326dr/evidence_of_critical_bug_found_in_atlas_ats_new/
626262;1397588981;bounce;bit heavy on the js for a page that doesn't look like it should need any
626263;1397589048;BingoBoingo;bounce: I have some basic (google free) analytics stuff.
626264;1397589050;Apocalyptic;Naphex, not surprising
626265;1397589061;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
626266;1397589061;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00096134 / 0.00097025 (244990 shares, 235.52 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096606 / 0.00101 (3233012 shares, 3,123.30 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00093014 / 0.00101 (22748973 shares, 21,159.92 BTC)
626267;1397589064;Apocalyptic;"but they said they are an industry-grade exchange !"
626268;1397589071;jborkl;artifexd ty - I am using a js cache on the server
626269;1397589104;jborkl;so might be why it looks heavy idk have not gotten that far yet
626270;1397589114;bounce;google isn't exactly parsimonious with client cycles.
626271;1397589210;Naphex;their response http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2326dr/evidence_of_critical_bug_found_in_atlas_ats_new/cgt6xs5 :)
626272;1397589387;bounce;pretty speedy response at least. but how the fsck do you fail to account for p/l on a day you "restart your systems"? what're they running, batch-only dinosaurs?
626273;1397589423;Apocalyptic;"Part of the gains or losses for that day are lost" is this acceptable ?
626274;1397589510;bounce;I'd say no, but I'm no accountant.
626275;1397592047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 3.17320895 BTC to 13`595 shares, 23341 satoshi per share
626276;1397592084;fluffypony;http://bgr.com/2014/04/15/galaxy-s5s-fingerprint-scanner-hacked/
626277;1397592189;pankkake;bio id will always be stupid, why even try
626278;1397592196;bounce;hax! and yet you can see paypal deaffirm their religious beliefs in fingerprint "security". no wonder the hatted bunch keeps on having a field day.
626279;1397592203;fluffypony;pankkake I think it has its place
626280;1397592222;fluffypony;remember that like 90% of the world thinks "password" is an ok password, and "password1234" is secure
626281;1397592222;asciilifeform;jurov: hardware garbage collection? what arch does that << 'scheme-79' chip.
626282;1397592229;fluffypony;"password1234!" is ultra-secure
626283;1397592246;pankkake;maybe for unlocking the phone if it has been unlocked less than an hour ago, but I would never put more trust in it
626284;1397592251;fluffypony;yes
626285;1397592251;bounce;spaceballs.
626286;1397592251;fluffypony;but
626287;1397592261;fluffypony;stuff like TouchID when coupled with iCloud Keychain is awesome for the general populace
626288;1397592271;fluffypony;as it makes drive-by attacks much harder
626289;1397592288;fluffypony;and moves the attack surface from drive-by, remove attacks, to on-device/in-person attacks
626290;1397592295;fluffypony;which are more sophisticated and targeted
626291;1397592335;bounce;why yes, "make believe security" and other snake oil are awesome for the general populace
626292;1397592362;fluffypony;bounce: we're talking about a significant improvement over the current state of affairs, that isn't snake oil
626293;1397592381;fluffypony;unless you believe user education is going to work and everyone is suddenly going to start using secure one-time passwords :-P
626294;1397592427;bounce;convenient shiny fingerprint pads with pre-supplied fingerprints are of course very well helped when secured by... fingerprints
626295;1397592461;fluffypony;sure, but it requires physical presence
626296;1397592478;fluffypony;you need to physically control the device
626297;1397592498;fluffypony;and unless you know I'm Bob the Billionaire with Billionz in his Bank...why target me?
626298;1397592627;bounce;sure, pickpockets and petty thieves usually prefer billionaires, that's a fact.
626299;1397592753;fluffypony;I don't think there's been a successful attack on TouchID / Samsung's fingerprint login that lifted a fingerprint from the device and used it to unlock it?
626300;1397592821;Naphex;fluffypony: backdoors in phone software ninjaing your accesses?:p
626301;1397592841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1770 @ 0.00096649 = 1.7107 BTC [-] {2} 
626302;1397592878;bounce;what was that lovely bypass bug in iOS again?
626303;1397592891;bounce;then there's the radio interface side
626304;1397592892;fluffypony;Naphex: yeah but that's a different attack surface entirely, I'm just talking about taking the general security level of the general populace up a notch
626305;1397592901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00096426 = 4.2427 BTC [-]
626306;1397592906;fluffypony;bounce: I fully agree, but again, we're not talking about sophisticated attacks here
626307;1397592935;bounce;the thing is that this "general populace" includes everyone, which to the fone company certainly includes *you*
626308;1397592953;nubbins`;joecool_ sorry, i generally don't buy
626309;1397592954;Apocalyptic;what's the last word on danny ?
626310;1397592964;fluffypony;bounce: also most of the iOS bypass bugs I've played with have exposed photos, or the dialler, or something...not a complete unmitigated unlock
626311;1397593009;fluffypony;Apocalyptic: this thing - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/
626312;1397593021;bounce;the only real fix is that we really start thinking about this, and indeed, educate most people --which used to be possible, they learned their letters and numbers too, after all-- instead of just throwing the latest in buzzwordery at it. like "biometrics".
626313;1397593039;bounce;especially since biometrics are fundamentally and fatally flawed
626314;1397593070;mircea_popescu;"I assure you our system is not fundamentally flawed, there are bugs and we try to find them before the customer."
626315;1397593079;mircea_popescu;this sounds vaguely bitdaytradesque
626316;1397593093;Apocalyptic;ty fluffypony
626317;1397593105;Naphex;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/22/iphone_5_touchid_broken_by_chaos_computer_club/ back in '13
626318;1397593115;bounce;it's the industry standard, with pentesting and other such "due diligence"
626319;1397593120;mircea_popescu;fluffypony "password1234!" is ultra-secure << remember the 88seals88 and pokerseals etc pws ?
626320;1397593146;fluffypony;lol yeah
626321;1397593159;kakobrekla;88seals88 ?
626322;1397593162;mircea_popescu;<fluffypony> unless you believe user education is going to work and everyone is suddenly going to start using secure one-time passwords :-P << i just belive everyone who isn't is going to be relegated to the salt mines. why should every human qualify as a "user" ?
626323;1397593169;fluffypony;kakobrekla: http://thehackernews.com/2013/12/SealsWithClubs-bitcoin-poker-hacked-password-dump_20.html
626324;1397593185;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: so survival of the secure-ist?
626325;1397593197;mircea_popescu;yes.
626326;1397593212;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/15/a-better-toy-computer-vaxberry-pie/
626327;1397593218;mircea_popescu;whosoever can not use a computer, should not be using computers.
626328;1397593232;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: agreed. is this about the time I self-identify as a bitcoin-assets cultist?
626329;1397593239;fluffypony;cultee?
626330;1397593243;kakobrekla;jesus fuuck 42k members?
626331;1397593267;mircea_popescu;perhaps ?
626332;1397593281;mircea_popescu;but you know... what now, make books that even people who won't learn the alphabet can read ?
626333;1397593286;mircea_popescu;make a math that doesn't need numbers ?
626334;1397593288;mircea_popescu;enough i say.
626335;1397593325;fluffypony;maybe there should be a test
626336;1397593325;mircea_popescu;bounce tbh biometrics was a thing of the 70s i thought. pretty much all sf of that decade had it, and by 90s it was in every action movie out there.
626337;1397593336;bounce;bingoboingo: later model MIPS in new process might be interesting too
626338;1397593343;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yeah that was actually a pw.
626339;1397593349;fluffypony;it could start with the difference between your and you're, than and then, and (to spite me) principal and principle:-P
626340;1397593355;mircea_popescu;fluffypony there is a test.
626341;1397593380;Apocalyptic;"I have a family funeral to attend." #1 BS excuse
626342;1397593397;Apocalyptic;seriously the guy isn't even trying to sound legit
626343;1397593404;bounce;oh, you want 32bit. hm. how about Z80000 for something nicely obscure? maybe moto 88k?
626344;1397593406;kakobrekla;it was the hamster.
626345;1397593408;fluffypony;Apocalyptic: I always ask if I can go along to provide support :)
626346;1397593455;kakobrekla;and if he says yes?
626347;1397593457;BingoBoingo;bounce: Sure but I dunno what a MIPs cooks as. A Vax though is a noble animal that has the potential for a delicious meat pie. Also just the sound of Vaxberry Pie works.
626348;1397593457;mircea_popescu;'Mass abduction' at #Nigeria school- about 100 girls, likely by Boko Haram
626349;1397593463;mircea_popescu;they're in for some fun...
626350;1397593472;mircea_popescu;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27037181
626351;1397593499;fluffypony;kakobrekla: then you go along
626352;1397593502;fluffypony;to provide support
626353;1397593527;BingoBoingo;bounce: A big point is that OpenBSD is already on Vax working well, and they are very unlikely to abandon it.
626354;1397593544;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/cgt568i?context=4
626355;1397593548;fluffypony;"Yes I am Mirceau Popescu soon to be extradited to the USSA"
626356;1397593554;kakobrekla;even its in zimbabwe, fluffypony?
626357;1397593559;kakobrekla;even if*
626358;1397593576;Apocalyptic;"Mirceau" again
626359;1397593581;bounce;apparently biometrics stays afloat on the pretty pix in teh moveez, for if you spend but a few seconds thinking about it, it becomes obvious that it cannot be a good fit for the purpose
626360;1397593611;Apocalyptic;"The lesson for anyone in the public domain should already be clear: Don't try to answer rumours on Reddit, unless you are also prepared to provide cast iron proof of what you say, don't discuss your family affairs on a public forum, and especially don't mention your children - this is stupid beyond belief"
626361;1397593616;Apocalyptic;guy has a point
626362;1397593621;fluffypony;kakobrekla: no, only if it's local, I'm assuming this isn't someone asking to go on an overseas holid^z^z^z^z family emergency
626363;1397593667;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic except it works like this : scammers love to mention their kids/wives (anyone recall patrick harnett ?)
626364;1397593680;mircea_popescu;for many reasons, part of which being that the emotional fuckwits who "invest" with them react to such
626365;1397593686;Apocalyptic;I see
626366;1397593693;pankkake;interesting
626367;1397593696;mircea_popescu;but a bigger part of which being that when they go to shit, they can try to divert the discussion on unrelated emo topicsa
626368;1397593716;mircea_popescu;as if anyone gives a shit if danny brewster's daughter ends up in a snuff video or in cypriots have talent
626369;1397593736;Anduck;!up chairman_meow
626370;1397593736;assbot;Voicing chairman_meow for 30 minutes.
626371;1397593742;Apocalyptic;does he even have one ?
626372;1397593750;chairman_meow;thanks
626373;1397593752;Anduck;chairman_meow: now you can ask more info from people here who may know how it works
626374;1397593754;mircea_popescu;but no, let's discuss nonsense instead of how fuckwit danny failed to enter the wot, then failed to heed when mp said get in the wot or i'll fuck you up, then got fucked up.
626375;1397593756;Anduck;you have 30 minutes
626376;1397593759;chairman_meow;Hello
626377;1397593769;mircea_popescu;hi.
626378;1397593789;chairman_meow;assbot isnt working properly. I already ident'ed with gribble. I PM'ed !up to assbot, but it's failing
626379;1397593800;mircea_popescu;chairman_meow you have to be in its trust chain.
626380;1397593802;chairman_meow;it tells me "You must auth with gribble first."
626381;1397593803;Apocalyptic;;;gettrust assbot chairman_meow
626382;1397593803;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user chairman_meow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=chairman_meow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=chairman_meow | Rated since: never
626383;1397593804;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot chairman_meow
626384;1397593804;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user chairman_meow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=chairman_meow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=chairman_meow | Rated since: never
626385;1397593809;Apocalyptic;damn you mircea
626386;1397593812;chairman_meow;;;ident
626387;1397593812;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'chairman_meow', with hostmask 'chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314', is identified as user 'paulo_', with GPG key id 1E981889706069F0, key fingerprint 065ED8592B2D20D56C12E80A666D9FB930A2134D, and bitcoin address None
626388;1397593814;mircea_popescu;lol
626389;1397593821;Apocalyptic;chairman_meow, it's working as intended
626390;1397593845;jurov;;;gettrust assbot paulo_
626391;1397593845;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user paulo_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=paulo_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=paulo_ | Rated since: Sun Apr  1 16:46:37 2012
626392;1397593850;Anduck;Apocalyptic, mircea_popescu: if it works correctly, then the message is wrong. "You must auth with gribble first."
626393;1397593881;mircea_popescu;maybe kakobrekla can be arsed to make special error messages for each case. or maybe not. ha-ha!
626394;1397593907;pankkake;I have compiled sudo with the "offensive" USE flag. when my password is wrong, I get random insults
626395;1397593915;mircea_popescu;"If individuals admit guilt & reach civil settlement w/ govt, they can't deduct costs from tax returns. Companies can" << true, and pretty epic
626396;1397593926;chairman_meow;so.. I need a trust connection to assbot?
626397;1397593939;mircea_popescu;you need a rating from someone assbot trusts.
626398;1397593942;chairman_meow;!jd
626399;1397593942;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 15899 BTC profit, 33.1k BTC invested, 1044.40 mio bets, 5.18 mio BTC wagered
626400;1397593959;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=SENT
626401;1397593961;mircea_popescu;there's your list
626402;1397593999;BingoBoingo;chairman_meow: What do you do?
626403;1397594000;bounce;such not authenticated
626404;1397594036;Anduck;hehe
626405;1397594038;BingoBoingo;!up chairman_meow
626406;1397594038;assbot;Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes.
626407;1397594064;kakobrekla;special message for what
626408;1397594069;chairman_meow;so.. what to do now heh
626409;1397594081;chairman_meow;I need to trade with one of these guys?
626410;1397594126;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla apparently if id'd but untrusted guy pms assbot he gets the same message as if he weren't id'd.
626411;1397594137;kakobrekla;impossibru
626412;1397594145;mircea_popescu;well at least it's what the guy claims.
626413;1397594153;Naphex;nah you get you need wot>0
626414;1397594155;Naphex;i can verify
626415;1397594168;mircea_popescu;ah ? ok then!
626416;1397594188;Anduck;mircea_popescu: i've been wondering why do you not use bitcointalk forums?
626417;1397594198;Anduck;and why doesnt your pr use irc???
626418;1397594201;mircea_popescu;because i don't associate with idiots.
626419;1397594203;Apocalyptic;Anduck, really ?
626420;1397594207;Anduck;yes really
626421;1397594208;Apocalyptic;(first question)
626422;1397594212;mircea_popescu;because what use would she be if i;m here ?
626423;1397594221;Anduck;well why is his pr then using bitcointalk :D
626424;1397594229;chairman_meow;maybe assbot is sending to gribble ";;ident chairman_meow"
626425;1397594230;Apocalyptic;cause she was paid to
626426;1397594232;mircea_popescu;i spent some money trying to educate a bunch of idiots.
626427;1397594235;chairman_meow;;;ident chairman_meow
626428;1397594235;mircea_popescu;it benefited a few.
626429;1397594235;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'chairman_meow', with hostmask 'chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314', is identified as user 'paulo_', with GPG key id 1E981889706069F0, key fingerprint 065ED8592B2D20D56C12E80A666D9FB930A2134D, and bitcoin address None
626430;1397594239;BingoBoingo;chairman_meow: Well what you do affects how you get trust
626431;1397594242;bounce;chairman_meow: trade, impress, get chummy with, con, bribe, blackmail, what-have-you.
626432;1397594250;chairman_meow;oh wait, nevermind that was wrong
626433;1397594304;chairman_meow;why the change of rules for bitcoin-assets?
626434;1397594333;mircea_popescu;chairman_meow read the logs for the 10th, iirc.
626435;1397594372;Anduck;someone with assbot trust now needs to rate him
626436;1397594375;mike_c;or this: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/
626437;1397594378;Anduck;so he can up himself
626438;1397594388;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/#c2784 teh ppl doth protest
626439;1397594427;chairman_meow;ok, you can just let me be unvoiced now. I guess I'll eventually get that trade
626440;1397594427;BingoBoingo;Well I wouldn't be averse to offering trust for a small trade if I knew what the person's shtick is
626441;1397594428;mircea_popescu;kinda curious what that guy that was going to do the math to show how weight is not sharp enough comes up with.
626442;1397594446;BingoBoingo;!up chairman_meow
626443;1397594446;assbot;Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes.
626444;1397594449;mircea_popescu;chairman_meow start with simpler stuff. what do you do ?
626445;1397594460;BingoBoingo;Not necessary monetary, quid pro quo works
626446;1397594469;chairman_meow;mircea_popescu: well I invest in just-dice
626447;1397594479;chairman_meow;I don't really do much
626448;1397594483;chairman_meow;sometimes dogecoins
626449;1397594487;mircea_popescu;how much of their 10k is you ?
626450;1397594494;Anduck;how is that relevant
626451;1397594522;Apocalyptic;Anduck, that's probably the extent of his involvement with bitcoin
626452;1397594526;mircea_popescu;because if he comes back with something like 10% i'll challenge him to prove it, after which rate him.
626453;1397594531;Apocalyptic;given he mentionned that as the #1 thing
626454;1397594537;mircea_popescu;otherwise, anyone can invest a bitcent anywhere, hardly a qualifier.
626455;1397594548;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00096236 = 7.2177 BTC [-] {2} 
626456;1397594548;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03000101 = 0.27 BTC [+] {2} 
626457;1397594552;Anduck;sure
626458;1397594574;mircea_popescu;http://youngcons.com/this-actually-happened-irs-sent-a-five-year-old-boy-a-letter-about-his-taxes-his-response-is-hilarious/ << great for a lol, even if obviously fake.
626459;1397594584;chairman_meow;I haven't invested much. it's a small amount. I'm looking for more returns on bitcoin price swings
626460;1397594610;chairman_meow;so... I guess I don't really need access to this channel
626461;1397594627;bounce;;;rate naphex 1 btcxchange.ro, grilled with cheese
626462;1397594628;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user naphex has been recorded.
626463;1397594638;mircea_popescu;well if you got something materially relevant you can always get someone to up you, so, no need to panic
626464;1397594775;mircea_popescu;https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/sec-obtaining-emails-without-warrant-or-not
626465;1397594775;fluffypony;;;rate Naphex 1 if btcxchange.ro steals your money this guy will personally sort you out
626466;1397594776;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Naphex has been recorded.
626467;1397594777;mircea_popescu;herp.
626468;1397594805;Naphex;hehe thanks for the rate ^^
626469;1397594840;mircea_popescu;!up LorenzoMoney
626470;1397594840;assbot;Voicing LorenzoMoney for 30 minutes.
626471;1397595117;BingoBoingo;Ah, this Baron thing is hard. Especially when it comes to considering what may be worthy of accepting someone as a Ridder or Jonhkeer
626472;1397595130;chairman_meow;hmmm I'm looking at the logs
626473;1397595144;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: vaxberry pie << pick up fpga dev board on ebay.
626474;1397595148;chairman_meow;I can't seems to find out why the rules changed
626475;1397595154;chairman_meow;*seem
626476;1397595165;fluffypony;chairman_meow: mutual consent
626477;1397595167;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo indeed. it should be.
626478;1397595168;fluffypony;groupthink
626479;1397595174;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: maximally evil closed build chain, but you can actually specify a circuit, e.g. pdp-11.
626480;1397595175;mircea_popescu;scientologee!
626481;1397595193;fluffypony;flying spaghetti monsterism
626482;1397595199;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: example, http://www.heeltoe.com/download/pdp11/README.html
626483;1397595225;mircea_popescu;yeah we kinda need a mascot or something don't we.
626484;1397595236;mircea_popescu;the holy sharpie in the worldy pooper ?
626485;1397595253;fluffypony;Buttcoins Inc?
626486;1397595294;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well I was more imagining what it would take for a Rasberry Pi to truly be a TI-89 surrogate than imagining a project for myself in the near future.
626487;1397595303;mircea_popescu;maybe a giant soldering iron.
626488;1397595319;asciilifeform;rectothermcoin.
626489;1397595321;BingoBoingo;Where is nubbins` to do this art
626490;1397595350;mircea_popescu;http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/n/antex-st4-stand_1.png
626491;1397595354;mircea_popescu;god i love that shape
626492;1397595373;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've one quite like this, here.
626493;1397595387;mircea_popescu;do you compulsively play with the support ?
626494;1397595393;asciilifeform;how'd you guess.
626495;1397595404;mircea_popescu;because it's quite clearly what it's for.
626496;1397595409;asciilifeform;lol
626497;1397595410;mircea_popescu;geek titties.
626498;1397595417;asciilifeform;sproing, sprooing.
626499;1397595452;mircea_popescu;rectothermicon
626500;1397595458;mircea_popescu;like the necronomicon, only better.
626501;1397595501;mircea_popescu;so a bunch of romanians found an ancient article in which i sliced a rabbit and are having aneurisms all over my comment section. kinda funnay to watch.
626502;1397595534;Apocalyptic;heh
626503;1397595535;asciilifeform;wait people don't eat those in ro?
626504;1397595548;jborkl;my WOT nick is jborkl_ and the nick I use is jborkl - you have to change to jborkl_ with gribble auth with assbot then /nick jborkl
626505;1397595549;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure.
626506;1397595552;asciilifeform;over here, they can only be had in korean markets, because americans are weirdos
626507;1397595570;jborkl;that is why his did not work
626508;1397595571;mircea_popescu;there's a thin sliver of romanians who wannabe us hipster liberals.
626509;1397595579;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Probably an East Coast thing. No serious problem finding them here.
626510;1397595585;mircea_popescu;it's like... twice over the pretense
626511;1397595628;asciilifeform;i've often wondered if the local busybodies would go apeshit if one were to set up a snare.
626512;1397595630;paulo_;I can confirm jborkl. using an IRC nick different from WOT nick confuses assbot
626513;1397595645;asciilifeform;(rabbit is a common garden pest here)
626514;1397595666;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform only one way to find out.
626515;1397595668;Anduck;!up chairman_meow
626516;1397595668;assbot;Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes.
626517;1397595670;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I dunno about in your location, but here a license is nominally required. Much as for fishing.
626518;1397595670;Anduck;:)
626519;1397595682;jborkl;ok I did my good deed for the year - time to relax
626520;1397595686;mircea_popescu;the difference of course being i can slaughter one and post it on my blog, daring the "pet police" to do anything,
626521;1397595690;asciilifeform;my new pad, as of next month, has a yard. so i shall find out.
626522;1397595691;mircea_popescu;whereas you'd prolly end up in a holding cell
626523;1397595742;BingoBoingo;http://www.alpharubicon.com/kids/urbanrabbitsdc.htm
626524;1397595749;BingoBoingo;Maybe not?
626525;1397595769;asciilifeform;i know a fellow, not far from where i live, with a secret chicken coup
626526;1397595775;asciilifeform;*coop
626527;1397595778;mircea_popescu;what's this, leningrad ?
626528;1397595807;asciilifeform;gringograd
626529;1397595807;mircea_popescu;in 1987 teh police had bucharest surrounded, checking all inbound car traffic to make sure nobody's sneaking any potatoes into town.
626530;1397595829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.0009617 = 7.0204 BTC [-] {2} 
626531;1397595829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
626532;1397595843;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
626533;1397595843;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00096183 / 0.00097025 (241260 shares, 232.05 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096403 / 0.00100381 (3106224 shares, 2,994.50 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00093026 / 0.00101 (22725656 shares, 21,140.85 BTC)
626534;1397595870;Apocalyptic;mircea, why would they do that ?
626535;1397595890;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: grew the delicious beast yourself, or caught in the wild?
626536;1397595901;mircea_popescu;i just bought it
626537;1397595908;asciilifeform;neato
626538;1397595914;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic because insane, on the first level.
626539;1397595922;mircea_popescu;some sort of "combatting black market" or w/e.
626540;1397595926;mircea_popescu;http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/mission-yuppie-eradication-project.jpg
626541;1397595948;mircea_popescu;dude... and this is STILL not enough reason to just send the national guard and beat anyone not rich into a pulp ?
626542;1397595950;mircea_popescu;da fuck already.
626543;1397595962;asciilifeform;satan preserve us. the 'google bus' folks again?!
626544;1397595967;mircea_popescu;aye.
626545;1397595983;mircea_popescu;you;'ll have to excuse me, i'm indulging a bottle of cognac and my inclination to be wtf'd.
626546;1397596067;mircea_popescu;to quote the world's foremost "yuppie scum", one vincent vega :
626547;1397596067;mircea_popescu;Lance: Still got your Malibu?
626548;1397596067;mircea_popescu;Vincent: Aw, man. You know what some fucker did the other day?
626549;1397596067;mircea_popescu;Lance: What?
626550;1397596067;mircea_popescu;Vincent: Fucking keyed it.
626551;1397596067;mircea_popescu;Lance: Oh, man, that's fucked up.
626552;1397596069;mircea_popescu;Vincent: Tell me about it. I had it in storage for three years, it was out for five days and some dickless piece of shit fucked with it.
626553;1397596075;mircea_popescu;Lance: They should be fucking killed. No trial, no jury, straight to execution.
626554;1397596076;mircea_popescu;Vincent: Boy, I wish I could've caught him doing it. I'd have given anything to catch that asshole doing it. It'd been worth him doing it just so I could've caught him doing it.
626555;1397596079;mircea_popescu;Lance: What a fucker!
626556;1397596081;mircea_popescu;Vincent: What's more chickenshit than fucking with a man's automobile? I mean, don't fuck with another man's vehicle.
626557;1397596085;mircea_popescu;Lance: You don't do it.
626558;1397596087;mircea_popescu;Vincent: It's just against the rules.
626559;1397596134;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-] {2} 
626560;1397596256;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0319983 = 0.192 BTC [+] {3} 
626561;1397596296;Naphex;its true :)
626562;1397596395;asciilifeform;if the 'they're bidding up all housing' thing were true, the masters would have problems hiring servants. are they?
626563;1397596413;asciilifeform;or do the servants simply take six buses to the manor and back?
626564;1397596445;mircea_popescu;nobody has any trouble hiring anyone.
626565;1397596466;mircea_popescu;if they can agree on salary control measures, clearly they're overstaffed.
626566;1397596490;mircea_popescu;they pretend like they're not, for public consumption, and to get more clueless kids on the one track path that then leads them to become prostitu uh i mean entrpereneurs
626567;1397596500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00096045 = 9.4124 BTC [-] {4} 
626568;1397596505;mircea_popescu;but what is and what's said to be are wildly distinct matters in byzantium
626569;1397596647;bounce;don't servants live in servants quarters? like, oh, right under the roof, or wherever it was.
626570;1397596651;asciilifeform;paging herr naggum!
626571;1397596653;asciilifeform;'labor unions arose when people had gotten a taste of a   different lifestyle and were willing to pay a lot more for their basic livelihood and had gotten into a fix they couldn't get out of -- because   they had accepted the unacceptable to begin with.  accepting something   you have to form a labor union to fight after the fact only tells me that   people were acting against their own best (or even good) int
626572;1397596653;asciilifeform;erests for a long time.  I don't see any rational, coherent explanation for this sort   of behavior in humans, but it's all over the place.'
626573;1397596661;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3144868668727852@naggum.no.html
626574;1397596692;Apocalyptic;<bounce> don't servants live in servants quarters? like, oh, right under the roof, or wherever it was. // it was indeed right under the roof, in France at least
626575;1397596744;mircea_popescu;bounce in a civilise country, yes.
626576;1397596748;bounce;hot in summer, cold in winter. freezing hell when the wind's just wrong. such fun.
626577;1397596753;mircea_popescu;in the united states of africa, apparently they've not figured this out.
626578;1397596806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7030 @ 0.00096376 = 6.7752 BTC [+]
626579;1397596841;asciilifeform;in usa, they broke the mechanism that separates the usefully servile class from 'lumpens.' sort of like growing edible mushrooms in a bathroom infested by mold, because, hey, you can.
626580;1397596853;asciilifeform;and so, the 'masters' demand radical geographic separation.
626581;1397596854;mircea_popescu;http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=23892
626582;1397596868;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in some other equally arid land
626583;1397596887;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty much, yes.
626584;1397597049;asciilifeform;incidentally, this is why 'they import fresh mexicans,' etc.
626585;1397597049;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: nubbins` is balls-deep in printing, that's where ;(
626586;1397597055;mircea_popescu;"The original bullhocky story about the cattle endangering desert tortoises fell apart when the truth was discovered that only recently the BLM had gerrymandered the boundaries of endangered habitat and created a mitigation area needed to replace habitat where Harry Reid’s son and a Chinese energy company planned to build a 5 billion dollar solar energy project."
626587;1397597056;mircea_popescu;ahem.
626588;1397597058;asciilifeform;the 2nd generation lumpenizes, and can't be used.
626589;1397597064;asciilifeform;this is more or less an open secret here.
626590;1397597068;mircea_popescu;harry reid, the guy who delivered congress to obama, right ?
626591;1397597077;mircea_popescu;5bn seems kinda skimpy.
626592;1397597082;mircea_popescu;i;d have asked for more.
626593;1397597117;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 5 == initial quote. traditionally, gov. payola contracts have overrun, renewal, etc. provisions. add a zero.
626594;1397597128;mircea_popescu;more like it.
626595;1397597232;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4000 @ 0.00015875 = 0.635 BTC [-] {6} 
626596;1397597688;Naphex;gn all o/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se33Fv_sEEA
626597;1397597691;Naphex;!down
626598;1397597691;assbot;Need a nickname, Naphex.
626599;1397597777;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg6235784#msg6235784
626600;1397597777;nubbins`;lel
626601;1397597780;nubbins`;DrGreg-PR
626602;1397598087;asciilifeform;http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/4/15/682084.html
626603;1397598112;asciilifeform;translation: cia director j. brenna is in kiev. supervising search for... 20 'lost' blackwater men.
626604;1397598117;asciilifeform;*brennan
626605;1397598147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11050 @ 0.00096954 = 10.7134 BTC [+] {2} 
626606;1397598491;mircea_popescu;lol
626607;1397598518;mircea_popescu;why is he not @lubyanka then
626608;1397598879;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 245 @ 0.50190775 = 122.9674 BTC [-] {12} 
626609;1397599011;asciilifeform;mega-lol:
626610;1397599012;asciilifeform;http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=122052
626611;1397599046;asciilifeform;should have dropped 'paintballs' or the like.
626612;1397599120;mircea_popescu;"This provocative and unprofessional Russian action"
626613;1397599148;mircea_popescu;lmao this "unprofessional" business has pretty much replaced "asshole" in us office drones parlance hasn't it
626614;1397599173;benkay;what's the military context that makes that kind of behavior assholery?
626615;1397599182;benkay;context/peer behavior expectations
626616;1397599187;benkay;assuming peers etc
626617;1397599189;mircea_popescu;“The Donald Cook is more than capable of defending itself against two Su-24s,” the colonel said.
626618;1397599192;mircea_popescu;i wonder.
626619;1397599219;mircea_popescu;i doubt there exists a us ship that actually can defend itself against modernised su's, but hey.
626620;1397599222;mircea_popescu;what do i know.
626621;1397599263;benkay;or the impending chinese drone swarms
626622;1397599291;ThickAsThieves;http://www.bitundo.com/
626623;1397599369;pankkake;nice, I would have liked that a year ago (though I eventually recovered my coins)
626624;1397599413;ThickAsThieves;this schedule web design is horrible
626625;1397599415;ThickAsThieves;http://bitcoin2014.com/
626626;1397599419;ThickAsThieves;pastels
626627;1397599430;ThickAsThieves;and annoying View More buttons
626628;1397599438;mircea_popescu;Arleigh Burke-class. that's a... radar ship. derp.
626629;1397599449;TestingUnoDosTre;Can someone explain this to me. Purchase of 382 Btc at 505, followed by 20 btc at 500. Was the first purchase a market buy?
626630;1397599478;ThickAsThieves;Peter Vehehe is now on the speaker list for the event!
626631;1397599508;mircea_popescu;so basically... this is a pool to doublespend.
626632;1397599512;mircea_popescu;who made it, gmaxwell ?
626633;1397599534;ThickAsThieves;dunno who made it
626634;1397599578;ThickAsThieves;its got mentions on yc
626635;1397599581;ThickAsThieves;fwiw...
626636;1397599605;mircea_popescu;looky, gavin still lead bla bla. not so hip on keeping updated huh.
626637;1397599611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1220 @ 0.00096816 = 1.1812 BTC [-]
626638;1397599616;ThickAsThieves;http://www.coinlab.com/
626639;1397599620;ThickAsThieves;nice website
626640;1397599667;BingoBoingo;Oh, Meni Rosenfeld is a speaker and/or panelist
626641;1397599681;ThickAsThieves;Canadia Senate Hearing on Cryptocurrency https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5iAj7-W_lk
626642;1397599686;mircea_popescu;lol ok ok.
626643;1397599719;ThickAsThieves;400 friggin euros for this conference
626644;1397599727;ThickAsThieves;fukn scammors
626645;1397599760;mircea_popescu;<samantix> hi i was directed to you regarding a ban on bitcoin-pricetalk
626646;1397599768;mircea_popescu;which one of you's been tormenting random noobs ?
626647;1397599771;ThickAsThieves;lol
626648;1397599779;Apocalyptic;haha
626649;1397599783;mircea_popescu;chairman_meow tsk.
626650;1397599794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49676939 BTC [-]
626651;1397599830;mircea_popescu;guy's very polite and everything. i had no idea that chan even exists
626652;1397599835;mircea_popescu;!up samantix
626653;1397599835;assbot;Voicing samantix for 30 minutes.
626654;1397599855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49833587 = 1.495 BTC [+] {3} 
626655;1397599882;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, it's the cesspool of irc
626656;1397599909;mircea_popescu;lol 600 pplz, and goin' strong. mkay.
626657;1397599916;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000012 BTC [-]
626658;1397599969;samantix;thanks mircea_popescu
626659;1397599977;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000012 BTC [-]
626660;1397600001;Apocalyptic;mircea, or reddit in another terms
626661;1397600038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49000002 BTC [-]
626662;1397600067;mircea_popescu;well cool.
626663;1397600418;mike_c;i think this bet was resolved incorrectly.  http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/
626664;1397600429;mike_c;because clearly the price *shouldn't* have dropped below 400.
626665;1397600514;mike_c;scam site is scam.
626666;1397600545;TestingUnoDosTre;Lol
626667;1397600566;TestingUnoDosTre;I bet on yes for one that touched exactly 400.00
626668;1397600585;TestingUnoDosTre;Made me rethink my whole theory on psychological barriers
626669;1397600621;mike_c;bah. next you'll rethink your theory on technical analysis because head & shoulders.
626670;1397600701;TestingUnoDosTre;I'm most definitely not a TA junkie
626671;1397600730;TestingUnoDosTre;Or "Chartist" as my brother call them
626672;1397601287;artifexd;It would be nice to be able to retroactively !b a part of the log. The conversation with Naphex about 5 hours ago was pretty interesting.
626673;1397601318;benkay;artifexd: bash.bitcoin-assets.com
626674;1397601319;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00078899 = 0.1578 BTC [+]
626675;1397601320;pankkake;you can http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?add
626676;1397601335;benkay;;;ticker
626677;1397601336;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 506.95, Best ask: 508.97, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 509.0, 24 hour volume: 29789.86967812, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832
626678;1397601350;artifexd;Most sweet
626679;1397601380;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 314 @ 0.00080077 = 0.2514 BTC [+]
626680;1397601427;mike_c;is there a time decay on bash points?
626681;1397601475;benkay;http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#tgSzm1g10zm2g25zvzl
626682;1397601595;mike_c;i miss vexual :)  http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=30
626683;1397601664;asciilifeform;;;seen vexual
626684;1397601664;gribble;vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 25 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat
626685;1397601720;benkay;mike_c: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=81
626686;1397601736;mike_c;yeah, just read that one too.  another classic.
626687;1397601777;benkay;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=94 << danielpbarron you too buddy
626688;1397601823;benkay;mike_c: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=30
626689;1397601831;benkay;now i miss vexual too
626690;1397601840;TestingUnoDosTre;We just did #30....
626691;1397601842;benkay;but not as much as i miss tiberius and minersdidit
626692;1397601873;TestingUnoDosTre;Minersdidit.  Oh my gosh
626693;1397601880;benkay;NO WE DIDN'T GOSH
626694;1397601896;mike_c;minersdidit could never fill 100 lines by himself with no encouragement like vex could when sloshed.
626695;1397601912;benkay;that's not why minersdidit was fantastic
626696;1397601935;benkay;people round here don't appreciate quality trolling
626697;1397601957;TestingUnoDosTre;Was he trolling though? Still not sure
626698;1397601971;Apocalyptic;that's the thing about great trolls
626699;1397601974;Apocalyptic;you are never sure
626700;1397601980;benkay;unless you've met 'em before.
626701;1397602008;artifexd;;;gettrust assbot Vexual
626702;1397602009;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
626703;1397602056;TestingUnoDosTre;So was vexual a troll or just funny?
626704;1397602117;pankkake;;;rate Vexual 1
626705;1397602117;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
626706;1397602123;pankkake;:(
626707;1397602173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1921 @ 0.0009663 = 1.8563 BTC [-] {2} 
626708;1397602234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1379 @ 0.00097038 = 1.3382 BTC [+]
626709;1397602375;BingoBoingo;!up samantix
626710;1397602375;assbot;Voicing samantix for 30 minutes.
626711;1397602375;artifexd;Vexual, get in the wot already
626712;1397602397;BingoBoingo;;ticker
626713;1397602400;BingoBoingo;;;ticker
626714;1397602401;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.03, Best ask: 514.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 514.82, 24 hour volume: 30096.02063816, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832
626715;1397602444;benkay;samantix: what's happening?
626716;1397602468;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/04/truecrypt-audit-finds-no-evidence-of-backdoors-or-malicious-code/
626717;1397602517;dexX7;is the blockchain.info guy here? block w height 296055 throws an exception -> https://blockchain.info/de/block-index/383285/00000000000000004014a2cb13c0760539b9a353c8f4934b878446fbd8ee4932
626718;1397602518;mircea_popescu;mike_c wait wut
626719;1397602548;mike_c;hm?
626720;1397602583;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot vexual
626721;1397602583;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=vexual | Rated since: never
626722;1397602588;TestingUnoDosTre;Huh?
626723;1397602609;mircea_popescu;mike_c the 400 bet. at first i thought you hjad a legit complaint
626724;1397602613;mircea_popescu;but no! SCAM COMPLAINT
626725;1397602624;joecool;;;gettrust mircea_popescu
626726;1397602624;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user joecool to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
626727;1397602626;mike_c;of course the owners of the site would say that.
626728;1397602639;pankkake;BitBet: The Customer is Always Wrong
626729;1397602664;BingoBoingo;Well as Bitcoin continues to detach from fiat, bets pegged to fiat exchanges get moar dangerous
626730;1397602680;mike_c;i've probably lost 12,482 bets in my life, but for some reason that one stung.  i was so sure!
626731;1397602685;mircea_popescu;;;later tell keonne <dexX7> is the blockchain.info guy here? block w height 296055 throws an exception -> https://blockchain.info/de/block-index/383285/00000000000000004014a2cb13c0760539b9a353c8f4934b878446fbd8ee4932
626732;1397602685;gribble;The operation succeeded.
626733;1397602710;mircea_popescu;mike_c im not sure i made 1k bets
626734;1397602724;mike_c;you mean this month?
626735;1397602735;mircea_popescu;in my lyf!
626736;1397602774;mike_c;this from the guy who floated a bajillion btc options over the last two years :)
626737;1397602811;mircea_popescu;joecool you trust all the oldschool doods. madscientist ?!
626738;1397602815;TestingUnoDosTre;What does float a btc mean
626739;1397602819;mircea_popescu;mike_c options ain't bets :D
626740;1397602832;Apocalyptic;they are only if you don't hedge them
626741;1397602845;mircea_popescu;haven't seen cory in like 4ever eithert
626742;1397602850;mircea_popescu;;;seen cory
626743;1397602851;gribble;cory was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 17 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <Cory> \o
626744;1397602919;joecool;mircea_popescu: believe it or not i've been in wot for a long time
626745;1397602931;mircea_popescu;i believe it hehe
626746;1397602933;joecool;;;gpg info joecool
626747;1397602934;gribble;User 'joecool', with keyid 4A169504F495E1D1, fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc, registered on Thu Apr 28 01:50:04 2011, last authed on Tue Apr 15 16:36:53 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=joecool . Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool .
626748;1397602987;mircea_popescu;o you were here befoe coinpal closed huh
626749;1397603009;pankkake;http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x89F5D5027E9FE55B35696F683FC4656BE45D6C89 oh, it's THAT guy
626750;1397603010;joecool;yeah i think that was my first wot rating
626751;1397603027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9401 @ 0.00097038 = 9.1225 BTC [+] {2} 
626752;1397603080;TestingUnoDosTre;Hahaha are you fcking serious
626753;1397603120;mircea_popescu;lmao
626754;1397603264;mircea_popescu;!up frank1e
626755;1397603264;assbot;Voicing frank1e for 30 minutes.
626756;1397603291;mircea_popescu;!up BigBitz
626757;1397603291;assbot;Voicing BigBitz for 30 minutes.
626758;1397603299;BigBitz;thanks mircea_popescu :)
626759;1397603308;asciilifeform;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu
626760;1397603308;mircea_popescu;yw
626761;1397603308;joecool;;;rated BigBitz
626762;1397603309;gribble;You rated user BigBitz on Mon Dec  2 11:10:58 2013, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: gives me the worst rates ever ಠ_ಠ and makes me hate myself, owes me beer, but he can be trusted to send a couple g's USD.
626763;1397603313;asciilifeform;anyone else get something bizarre?
626764;1397603317;BigBitz;joecool <3
626765;1397603338;mircea_popescu;did i get defaced ?
626766;1397603347;asciilifeform;ssl weirdness
626767;1397603352;asciilifeform;load specifically 'https'
626768;1397603363;mircea_popescu;ya ?
626769;1397603379;asciilifeform;i'm getting a cert signed by 'wikipedia'
626770;1397603383;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, huh
626771;1397603383;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what
626772;1397603388;joecool;mircea_popescu: looks like you got bald
626773;1397603389;Apocalyptic;i just loaded https
626774;1397603391;Apocalyptic;no certificate
626775;1397603395;joecool;not defaced
626776;1397603405;TestingUnoDosTre;It loaded fine for me
626777;1397603414;BigBitz;You're getting a Wikipedia Cert. Nice.
626778;1397603416;Apocalyptic;*no wikipedia certificate
626779;1397603418;BigBitz;I get the Twitter cert.
626780;1397603427;mircea_popescu;twitter.com, Twitter, Inc. VeriSign Class 3 Extended Validation SSL CA, VeriSign, Inc. 05/10/2016 12:59:00 AM GMT TLS v1.2 128 bit ARC4 (2048 bit RSA/SHA)
626781;1397603436;pankkake;I get a cert change, but still twatter http://i.imgur.com/2pK8Pmb.png
626782;1397603437;TestingUnoDosTre;Anyone hear any Omar about alleged fighter plane attack?
626783;1397603438;*;asciilifeform to snoop on my fiber: stay classy
626784;1397603442;Apocalyptic;83 FE F4 D8 26 55 EC 82 A9 E1 D7 A9 76 70 0B 43
626785;1397603442;Apocalyptic;3E 9B 38 6D FA 71 8F 20 2A 5B 6C BF 91 ED 9F 92
626786;1397603452;Apocalyptic;issued by Verisign class 3
626787;1397603454;BingoBoingo;OMG WIKIPEDIA NSA haxors targeting asciilifeform
626788;1397603476;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wikipedia certs are a good avenue of attack because most neckbeards have it whitelisted
626789;1397603490;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Indeed.
626790;1397603499;BigBitz;neckbeards ftw.
626791;1397603507;asciilifeform;these folks could just drive fifteen minutes with a wagen and a 'troika', half hour for tribunal and bullet. but no, they gotta fuck with people instead.
626792;1397603526;mircea_popescu;i think you have no representation of costs.
626793;1397603540;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You forget that for some 1984 is a manual
626794;1397603573;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pix ?
626795;1397603583;mircea_popescu;also, is it twitter generally ? does it do the same off a phone ?
626796;1397603585;mircea_popescu;other q's.
626797;1397603622;asciilifeform;lol - it's gone away.
626798;1397603629;asciilifeform;perhaps browser bug
626799;1397603671;mircea_popescu;yeah, right. this happens.
626800;1397603674;mircea_popescu;next time screenshot
626801;1397603678;thestringpuller;$depth mpoe
626802;1397603678;asciilifeform;promise.
626803;1397603679;mpexbot;thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['2899 @ 0.00097198', '5021 @ 0.00096', '7100 @ 0.00095965', '5850 @ 0.0009594', '2900 @ 0.00095924']
626804;1397603680;mpexbot;thestringpuller: Asks: ['5150 @ 0.00097202', '9450 @ 0.00097276', '1900 @ 0.00097318', '8950 @ 0.00097382', '12566 @ 0.00097408']
626805;1397603705;thestringpuller;that's a nice bot, did smickles make that? or what's the story behind it...
626806;1397603726;mircea_popescu;yep he did.
626807;1397603730;mircea_popescu;sadly he's on maternity leave.
626808;1397603796;pankkake;I was going to link https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/02/https-everywhere-decentralized-ssl-observatory which gave me a SSL Error, funnily enough (if you have it, disable OSCP whatever)
626809;1397603831;TestingUnoDosTre;Someone give me a quick lesson in stats
626810;1397603885;TestingUnoDosTre;If miners have been hashing away for 36 minutes, do they have any better chance of finding a correct hash in the next minute compared to minute 1?
626811;1397603888;thestringpuller;he's on maternity leave << hoorah for children. they grow up so fast...
626812;1397604049;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker
626813;1397604050;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 517.0, Best ask: 519.95, Bid-ask spread: 2.95000, Last trade: 517.0, 24 hour volume: 31653.39816891, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 520.05, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832
626814;1397604074;ThickAsThieves;was like 340 2 days ago?
626815;1397604084;ThickAsThieves;i <3 btc
626816;1397604118;joecool;sale's over
626817;1397604189;ThickAsThieves;i'm uncertain about that
626818;1397604190;BingoBoingo;http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/us-airways-tweets-out-photo-of-model-airplane-in-womans-1563098531/1563579181/+Tom_Ley
626819;1397604214;ThickAsThieves;not sure if there's enough new money coming in yet to float the price
626820;1397604237;ThickAsThieves;traders keep scalping each other over and over, lowering the ceiling
626821;1397604242;thestringpuller;http://bitbet.us/bet/800/bitcoin-price-above-525-before-may/ <- i wonder if these bets create a feed back loop the more money that goes in
626822;1397604250;thestringpuller;i want to see a kansas city style upset
626823;1397604269;ThickAsThieves;seems making bitbets is the best way to get the price to go where you want!
626824;1397604301;thestringpuller;or to detect your price
626825;1397604302;kakobrekla;TestingUnoDosTre no its random.
626826;1397604305;BingoBoingo;Inb4 BTC $25 by July
626827;1397604307;thestringpuller;good way to base insurance prices
626828;1397604324;ThickAsThieves;$25, no way
626829;1397604332;ThickAsThieves;small chance we could test $300 tho
626830;1397604369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 225 @ 0.00097202 = 0.2187 BTC [+]
626831;1397604372;thestringpuller;wow. phenomenal...
626832;1397604500;benkay;bitbet ate the options market.
626833;1397604647;thestringpuller;^^^
626834;1397604657;ThickAsThieves;there it is!
626835;1397604658;TestingUnoDosTre;Bitbet is the options market now
626836;1397604662;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker
626837;1397604663;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 522.35, Best ask: 525.79, Bid-ask spread: 3.44000, Last trade: 526.9, 24 hour volume: 32271.21581885, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 527.27, 24 hour vwap: 490.487579832
626838;1397604686;TestingUnoDosTre;Uruguay baby
626839;1397604690;TestingUnoDosTre;Yyyyyah
626840;1397604692;thestringpuller;i wonder how many late leeches got jacked
626841;1397604704;TestingUnoDosTre;I didn't this time: )
626842;1397604738;TestingUnoDosTre;Got in last block luckily. That's why I was asking about hashing
626843;1397604748;thestringpuller;why not buy the underlying asset and zoidberg?
626844;1397604846;TestingUnoDosTre;And zoidberg?
626845;1397604997;TestingUnoDosTre;They better close the bet fast and reap some profit for the month
626846;1397605041;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/yyFnfS1.jpg
626847;1397605045;nubbins`;i fucking love my job
626848;1397605067;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Does that mean mascot soon?
626849;1397605081;nubbins`;i didn't quite get the gist of the mascot
626850;1397605087;nubbins`;somebody with a soldering iron up their ass?
626851;1397605119;thestringpuller;is that screen printed?
626852;1397605136;nubbins`;yep
626853;1397605141;nubbins`;3-color print on red kraft paper
626854;1397605194;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: I think people were leaning towards this http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/n/antex-st4-stand_1.png
626855;1397605216;nubbins`;that's the -assets mascot? :/
626856;1397605225;nubbins`;i mean, nice stand, but...
626857;1397605258;BingoBoingo;Just don't turn it into something like all Chicago cubs like this http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--oNlxSX0P--/19cgaod16qt14jpg.jpg
626858;1397605295;mike_c;i can't unsee that.
626859;1397605331;nubbins`;:(
626860;1397605515;mircea_popescu;<TestingUnoDosTre> If miners have been hashing away for 36 minutes, do they have any better chance of finding a correct hash in the next minute compared to minute 1? << no.
626861;1397605579;thestringpuller;speaking of
626862;1397605582;thestringpuller;;;tslb
626863;1397605588;gribble;Time since last block: 5 minutes and 38 seconds
626864;1397605595;thestringpuller;not_bad.jpg
626865;1397605666;mike_c;ok, two people said no..  there is a small better chance they find it in the next minute after failing for 36 minutes.  the search space has been reduced.
626866;1397605697;mircea_popescu;you just add nonce anyway
626867;1397605728;mike_c;right, but instead of having a 1 in 1eBigNumber chance, they have a 1 in (1eBigNumber - attempts) chance
626868;1397605738;thestringpuller;mike_c: more tx's may come into the node which changes the hash...
626869;1397605739;pankkake;is it actually worth it to record what was tested? wouldn't pools share it if it was?
626870;1397605758;mike_c;thestringpuller: that is a good point.
626871;1397605795;ThickAsThieves;of course it's more likely
626872;1397605809;mike_c;unless what thestringpuller said.
626873;1397605832;ThickAsThieves;it's more likely than if they weren't hashing at all, right?
626874;1397605834;ThickAsThieves;so there.
626875;1397605842;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves notrly lol
626876;1397605970;mircea_popescu;http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702303887804579504023630058640-lMyQjAxMTA0MDEwNTExNDUyWj
626877;1397605980;mircea_popescu;we were just talkin'...
626878;1397606047;ThickAsThieves;china be manipulatin!
626879;1397606054;ThickAsThieves;maniputin
626880;1397606057;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlSLoPdCQAAKJLA.jpg
626881;1397606131;ThickAsThieves;manililliputian
626882;1397606161;pankkake;pos?
626883;1397606201;mircea_popescu;http://bgr.com/2014/04/15/galaxy-s5s-fingerprint-scanner-hacked/ << bounce fluffypony asciilifeform and whoever else was diss-cussin' bio.
626884;1397606224;Apocalyptic;pankkake, proof of stake I assume
626885;1397606236;pankkake;then I don't really get it
626886;1397606237;mircea_popescu;proof of stake
626887;1397606248;pankkake;I guess you get worthess stuff generated by your worthless stuff
626888;1397606260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00097223 = 7.0001 BTC [+] {3} 
626889;1397606281;TestingUnoDosTre;wan't that already posted?
626890;1397606332;mircea_popescu;shit it was
626891;1397606334;mircea_popescu;my bad
626892;1397606353;mircea_popescu;http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/15/university-calls-white-campus-population-failure-a/
626893;1397606354;Apocalyptic;"Complaints from the U.S. are going to increasingly fall on deaf ears"
626894;1397606355;thestringpuller;i love see mircea_popescu use negro speak
626895;1397606363;thestringpuller;seeing*
626896;1397606364;mircea_popescu;“In the decades ahead, should we be as white as we are today, we will be relentlessly driven toward mediocrity; or, become a sad shadow of our current self,” Mr. Shepard said in a recent blog post
626897;1397606369;Apocalyptic;is this any news ?
626898;1397606387;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic allegedly ? :D
626899;1397606484;mircea_popescu;"Their mascot is the Viking."
626900;1397606495;TestingUnoDosTre;Skol white people!
626901;1397607190;mircea_popescu;http://imgur.com/0WMxIoU << me playing with hipsters.
626902;1397607231;TestingUnoDosTre;where do you find these people?
626903;1397607278;mircea_popescu;irk?
626904;1397607333;BingoBoingo;Classic
626905;1397607341;mircea_popescu;da fuck is with all the prissy wallflowers claiming "passion"
626906;1397607366;mircea_popescu;what fucking passion. moar like "too mental for herpes"
626907;1397607370;pankkake;it's annoyingly boring
626908;1397607457;Apocalyptic;"Inventor/Entrepreneur/Author 120 patents, 400+ products. Clever & Unique"
626909;1397607459;BingoBoingo;I dunno. I'd say mircea_popescu is passionate about ownership.
626910;1397607461;Apocalyptic;just wow
626911;1397607477;Apocalyptic;reminds me of the 12,000+ domain names guy
626912;1397607480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.05299998 = 1.59 BTC [+] {7} 
626913;1397607502;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic chick's worth some money, has this sort-of workout videos empire
626914;1397607562;BingoBoingo;It's amazing how many times the simple elastic band and the step stool can be patented
626915;1397607562;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
626916;1397607600;mircea_popescu;yeah, basically, she's the bubbliest 44yo on some us based shopping channel
626917;1397607612;mircea_popescu;billy mays with tits and botulin
626918;1397607639;mike_c;she's a regular on shark tank
626919;1397607640;mircea_popescu;"Her first patent was a plastic jewelry organizer for earrings which generated $500 million in sales."
626920;1397607669;pankkake;4real?
626921;1397607672;mircea_popescu;yep
626922;1397607685;pankkake;I wasn't expecting much when I saw patents, but…
626923;1397607699;pankkake;this is why I don't take anyone seriously when they say that word
626924;1397607705;mircea_popescu;anyway, twitter is the best trolling venue imaginable. there's droves of hipsters, aging attention whores, all taking it supar seriously
626925;1397607735;mod6;haha, true
626926;1397607746;mircea_popescu;you can ruin someone's whole week in 140 characters.
626927;1397607753;mod6;+ 1 picture
626928;1397607755;mircea_popescu;just ask them why they look so fat unexpectedly.
626929;1397607762;TestingUnoDosTre;ooooh I would pay so much to see MP on shark tank
626930;1397607785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00498752 = 0.1297 BTC [-] {6} 
626931;1397607786;mod6;twitter had a melt down yesterday because some girl had a toy plane in her snatch
626932;1397607786;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre is this the #bitcoin-assets based reality tv show ?
626933;1397607809;Apocalyptic;mod6, really ?
626934;1397607810;TestingUnoDosTre;I would like to purchase a 3d printing maching, but I want YOU to buy it!
626935;1397607814;mircea_popescu;mod6 because nobody could have imagined that the terrorists would use a plane as a dildo.
626936;1397607821;mod6;lol
626937;1397607843;mod6;someone said "new meaning to red-eye flight"
626938;1397607856;mircea_popescu;right in the pink eye!
626939;1397607856;mod6;:D
626940;1397607864;*;mod6 laughs
626941;1397608101;mod6;holy hashrate
626942;1397608123;mod6;;;stats
626943;1397608123;gribble;I have 24 registered users with 31 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
626944;1397608133;mod6;;;bc,stats
626945;1397608135;gribble;Current Blocks: 296068 | Current Difficulty: 6.119726089128147E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 296351 | Next Difficulty In: 283 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 14 hours, 9 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 6965027262.78 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.81273
626946;1397608160;TestingUnoDosTre;gribble quit lowballin the hashrate your whore
626947;1397608165;mircea_popescu;lol
626948;1397608176;mircea_popescu;is oz dead ?
626949;1397608258;dub;the wizard?
626950;1397608286;benkay;passion?
626951;1397608291;benkay;only passion is passion for cashin'
626952;1397608318;BingoBoingo;The Wizard of .bait
626953;1397608436;mircea_popescu;i liked it for .d
626954;1397608449;mike_c;kakobrekla is probably bored and could implement those features in assbot.  i liked <title> searches.
626955;1397608464;mircea_popescu;benkay she claims bs on tv, buncha overweight wwu students believe her start flailing arms and making wild claims.
626956;1397608475;mircea_popescu;mike_c i liked title too.
626957;1397608554;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
626958;1397608555;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.0, Best ask: 517.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 518.0, 24 hour volume: 33065.44812123, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 491.745388954
626959;1397608561;TestingUnoDosTre;.d
626960;1397608623;mircea_popescu;so this is fucking weird. gribble says 24 hour high 528
626961;1397608629;mircea_popescu;meanwhile bitcoincharts disagrees : <gribble> Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.0, Best ask: 517.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 518.0, 24 hour volume: 33065.44812123, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 491.745388954
626962;1397608639;mircea_popescu;http://www.bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg60ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
626963;1397608643;mircea_popescu;not even close to 520.
626964;1397608648;mircea_popescu;wtf is going on here ;/
626965;1397608708;mike_c;remember that thing about how you closed options because no one could be relied on for good data?
626966;1397608728;mircea_popescu;i do.
626967;1397608756;mike_c;hm, but if i am reading it right they are 8 hours old on their data?
626968;1397608762;Apocalyptic;well bitcoincharts is wrong
626969;1397608776;mike_c;http://www.bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg2ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
626970;1397608783;Apocalyptic;isn't it run by thermos or something anyway ?
626971;1397608784;mike_c;seems like data stopped some hours ago
626972;1397608796;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic afaik gribble takes its numbers from it
626973;1397608800;benkay;off to an 'internet of things' aka networked and api-ified sensor get together. perhaps i'll find some new clients there tonight...
626974;1397608813;Apocalyptic;<mike_c> seems like data stopped some hours ago << good catch
626975;1397608873;benkay;the barons of course not needing any derpy web or mobile apps.
626976;1397608906;mircea_popescu;benkay we can't afford smartphones
626977;1397609089;TestingUnoDosTre;yah it peaked at 515 like 16 hours ago
626978;1397609118;TestingUnoDosTre;for bitcoincharts, thats 6 hours prior, in displayed data
626979;1397609133;BingoBoingo;Politics is weird: http://www.bnd.com/2014/04/15/3162876/carl-officer-forms-superpac-to.html
626980;1397609157;mircea_popescu;"Please log in to access this feature."
626981;1397609163;mircea_popescu;perhaps i'll pass.
626982;1397609205;BingoBoingo;Eh or dun use javascript
626983;1397609214;BingoBoingo;No need to tor
626984;1397609249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.06637855 = 1.4603 BTC [+] {5} 
626985;1397609276;BingoBoingo;Basically longtime former democratic East StL mayor is now supporting the Repube candidate for governor.
626986;1397609286;mircea_popescu;lol
626987;1397609310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0669899 = 0.201 BTC [+]
626988;1397609324;TestingUnoDosTre;quite hilarious
626989;1397609325;mircea_popescu;"Well the answer is the IRS is extremely strict about property taxes and nobody in the United States is going to want to use Bitcoin after a 20% tax on it. That combined with Bitcoin rumors about China banning it means we won't see $525."  << anon expert, april 15th around noon.
626990;1397609338;mircea_popescu;bitcoin goes blazing past 525, about twelve hours later.
626991;1397609348;mircea_popescu;after wallowing in the 400s for weeks.
626992;1397609357;mircea_popescu;the anon experts are a very valuable signal, turns out.
626993;1397609361;TestingUnoDosTre;and he had to make a SuperPac that was called Dems and Independents for Rauner, because he figured that those groups wouldnt want to contribute to a fund called "citizens for Rauner"
626994;1397609391;TestingUnoDosTre;pretty sure half the people who post on there are just trying to get bets to the other side
626995;1397609398;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre "citizens" is kinda republican codeword neh ?
626996;1397609420;TestingUnoDosTre;soon it will be comrade
626997;1397609449;BingoBoingo;http://www.eslarp.uiuc.edu/ibex/archive/yelvington/interviews/mayor_carl_officer.htm
626998;1397609475;BingoBoingo;Carl Officer has a rich history of creating the lulz
626999;1397609516;BingoBoingo;http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2005-03-23/news/the-resurrection-of-carl-officer/
627000;1397609534;TestingUnoDosTre;did you just google "carl officer nazi" or something?
627001;1397609539;TestingUnoDosTre;how do you find this shit
627002;1397609585;mircea_popescu;apparently everyone is better at finding shit people than you.
627003;1397609606;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: I'm from the general region, just a more rural part
627004;1397609690;mircea_popescu;soo, google ad on bitstamp query :
627005;1397609703;mircea_popescu;Bitstamp - Cumpără Bitcoin CFD - demo gratis - Plus500.ro‎ Ad www.plus500.ro/Bitstamp‎ Vă riscaţi propriul capital. Plus500 has 1,340 followers on Google+
627006;1397609715;mircea_popescu;shitty scam paying like 5 bux a click
627007;1397609738;TestingUnoDosTre;i got a 404
627008;1397611323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00097332 = 26.3283 BTC [+] {3} 
627009;1397611711;TestingUnoDosTre;best youtube comment I've read in while "If this was reddit, it would be r/gore"
627010;1397611802;TestingUnoDosTre;and then there's this http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-27031180
627011;1397612056;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05309998 = 0.1062 BTC [+]
627012;1397612057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
627013;1397612278;BingoBoingo;http://gawker.com/top-marine-says-pay-cuts-will-improve-discipline-neck-1561628479
627014;1397612281;ThickAsThieves;hey isnt that the shark tank lady youre fukn with mp?
627015;1397612286;ThickAsThieves;you own her?
627016;1397612315;ThickAsThieves;her three words basically read: I'm horny.
627017;1397612384;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/yourcommunity/2014/04/racy-homoerotic-postage-stamps-set-for-release-in-finland.html
627018;1397612388;nubbins`;actually fucking awesome
627019;1397612421;ThickAsThieves;first bj on a stamp is two men
627020;1397612425;ThickAsThieves;funny stuff
627021;1397612441;ThickAsThieves;i linked yesterday with the caption: blowstamps
627022;1397612462;nubbins`;heh
627023;1397612471;Apocalyptic;apparently 22% of NY is on foodstamps
627024;1397612493;nubbins`;state or city
627025;1397612498;Apocalyptic;city
627026;1397612502;nubbins`;not bad
627027;1397612582;ThickAsThieves;that seems hard to believe
627028;1397612641;asciilifeform;'His Marines could care less, he said, because they just "want to know into whose neck do we put a boot next."'
627029;1397612667;nubbins`;someone in payroll, no doubt
627030;1397612729;asciilifeform;there's a magic number, somewhere down there, where soldiers start selling ammo, other materiel, whole vehicles - to the enemy
627031;1397612731;BingoBoingo;Followed shortly by http://www.hqmc.marines.mil/portals/61/Docs/SMMC_letter_to_Marines1.pdf
627032;1397612747;asciilifeform;russia found what the number was (~6 mo. delay of pay, approx.)
627033;1397612753;asciilifeform;let's see what the american number is.
627034;1397612772;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: To be fair this wasn't a Flag officer, but Flag enlisted
627035;1397612813;asciilifeform;in other lulz,
627036;1397612814;asciilifeform;http://www.examiner.com/article/martial-law-obama-confiscates-national-guard-helicopters-from-all-50-states
627037;1397612848;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03050271 = 0.2135 BTC [-] {3} 
627038;1397612879;dub;grab the turkey cletus we headin for the shelter
627039;1397612909;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05348998 = 0.214 BTC [+] {3} 
627040;1397612910;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03 = 0.6 BTC [-]
627041;1397612938;asciilifeform;soviet ministry of internal affairs had tanks, choppers.
627042;1397612942;asciilifeform;didn't make a lick of difference.
627043;1397612970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.05372635 = 0.591 BTC [+] {5} 
627044;1397612995;dub;how many times has the national guard deployed a gunship in the history of gunships
627045;1397613010;dub;my guess: 0 times
627046;1397613036;asciilifeform;point, if i understood, was to keep it 0.
627047;1397613036;BingoBoingo;dub: Well they probably didn't have to deploy "their" gunships, just their pilots
627048;1397613266;dub;#bitcoin-teaparty
627049;1397613465;BingoBoingo;Eh, if bad collapse happens the teaparty factions are just as likely to be oppresive and appropriate your crops as the gobmint factions
627050;1397613498;asciilifeform;where does 'good collapse' live?
627051;1397613506;asciilifeform;did i miss something?
627052;1397613559;BingoBoingo;Well, USSR vs. Somalia
627053;1397613676;BingoBoingo;This goes to the Orlov, the USSR was set up be not collapse as painfully as the thing could have otherwise.
627054;1397613760;asciilifeform;plenty of ways to lose a head in 'good' collapse.
627055;1397613841;BingoBoingo;Sure, just less than in bad collapse
627056;1397614113;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well i was supposed to describe ME not her.
627057;1397614190;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.0049404 = 0.163 BTC [-]
627058;1397614205;nubbins`;so i went out to have a drink earlier, stumbled across a poster we printed last november, still stuck to a pole
627059;1397614213;nubbins`;paper is bleached almost white, inks are immaculate
627060;1397614234;mike_c;you should use better paper
627061;1397614243;nubbins`;no i shouldn't
627062;1397614251;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05399 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2} 
627063;1397614254;asciilifeform;worse ink?
627064;1397614255;nubbins`;heh!
627065;1397614259;nubbins`;better locations, obv
627066;1397614264;TestingUnoDosTre;what did the poster read
627067;1397614276;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/3EMyqp9
627068;1397614302;asciilifeform;for a 'deserving' client, perhaps print with ink which fades out to reveal 'secret' message.
627069;1397614335;nubbins`;oo, fun. red ink on red paper
627070;1397614337;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i had a self-adhesive print last ~2 years on a facade.
627071;1397614350;nubbins`;for reference, that paper was this color when it went up: http://i.imgur.com/yyFnfS1.jpg
627072;1397614359;mircea_popescu;i'd guess easily 1mn pairs of eyeballs. total cost ? like $5
627073;1397614363;nubbins`;not bad
627074;1397614369;nubbins`;guerrilla advertising is best advertising
627075;1397614379;TestingUnoDosTre;Is pink eye a bar or something?
627076;1397614394;TestingUnoDosTre;nvm - I see ship pub
627077;1397614400;nubbins`;it's my printing company
627078;1397614411;TestingUnoDosTre;ooo
627079;1397614414;TestingUnoDosTre;what do you print them with?
627080;1397614424;nubbins`;silkscreen on kraft paper
627081;1397614510;nubbins`;we use cotton rag paper for good posters. these are cheapies for taping to poles.
627082;1397614546;TestingUnoDosTre;science be damned, that's an interesting process
627083;1397614572;nubbins`;very old
627084;1397614657;nubbins`;chinese were doing it 1000 years ago
627085;1397614681;TestingUnoDosTre;Oh it appears so. My friend's sister has an old school platten printing machine that looks like it's from the 19th century
627086;1397614699;TestingUnoDosTre;don't know if that's what the actual name for the process is
627087;1397614806;asciilifeform;when the famous Kamkin bookstore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Kamkin_Bookstore) imploded, they sold things by the pound, and opened up all of the 'backstage' rooms to customers. in one, i found... a '40s vintage printing press.
627088;1397614855;asciilifeform;(for catalogues? propaganda? who knew.)
627089;1397614912;nubbins`;lovely!
627090;1397614922;nubbins`;if you'll excuse me, my wife needs to be bothered
627091;1397615146;mircea_popescu;samizdat fo sho
627092;1397615155;mircea_popescu;!up Lee-
627093;1397615155;assbot;Voicing Lee- for 30 minutes.
627094;1397615158;mircea_popescu;!up frz78
627095;1397615158;assbot;Voicing frz78 for 30 minutes.
627096;1397615176;asciilifeform;kamkin was known as a place where intelligence goons from both sides shopped.
627097;1397615194;asciilifeform;as well as maths, physics people.
627098;1397615215;asciilifeform;(plenty of 'mir publishing co.' maths in english, too)
627099;1397615216;Lee-;nifty
627100;1397615288;TestingUnoDosTre;asciilifeform - there was a book burning or what the hell happened?
627101;1397615319;asciilifeform;TestingUnoDosTre: in the end, the creditors confiscated the shelves, and there were gigantic mountains of book
627102;1397615328;asciilifeform;that one could climb and dig (literally) down in
627103;1397615339;asciilifeform;most of the good stuff was picked off
627104;1397615346;TestingUnoDosTre;ahhh
627105;1397615348;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
627106;1397615349;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.0, Best ask: 517.0, Bid-ask spread: 3.00000, Last trade: 517.26, 24 hour volume: 33656.62801655, 24 hour low: 453.16, 24 hour high: 528.75, 24 hour vwap: 492.41993782
627107;1397615350;asciilifeform;i found my first book on 'forth' there
627108;1397615363;TestingUnoDosTre;forth?
627109;1397615368;asciilifeform;forth.
627110;1397615373;asciilifeform;;;google forth
627111;1397615373;gribble;Forth (programming language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forth_(programming_language)>; Forth - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forth>; Forth Interest Group Home Page: <http://www.forth.org/>
627112;1397615384;asciilifeform;!up TomServo
627113;1397615384;assbot;Voicing TomServo for 30 minutes.
627114;1397615388;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a fitting punishment for they who refused to acknowledge doom.
627115;1397615394;TomServo;Hello all!
627116;1397615399;mircea_popescu;hello TomServo
627117;1397615419;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: kamkin lived by the 'sovietologists' of washington, and - died by them.
627118;1397615440;TomServo;I'm sure it's been done to death, but could someone point me to instructions on getting into assbots wot?
627119;1397615449;mircea_popescu;more's the point... to this day there are people running around claiming they're... "journalists"
627120;1397615460;mircea_popescu;yet the newspaper died, as did the book.
627121;1397615471;mircea_popescu;TomServo actually it's not done at all.
627122;1397615497;mircea_popescu;i suppose each of the 29 will publish their own personal criteria, if/when they get around to it
627123;1397615513;mircea_popescu;maybe we'll hold a yearly vote at the conference to add more to the l1 list
627124;1397615529;asciilifeform;complicated, to say 'book is dead.' books of horoscopes and dream divinations still printed by the zillion, 'soviet encyclopaedia of physics' - not.
627125;1397615554;TomServo;Ah, so even being in wot I still need to ask for voice?
627126;1397615559;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, well, if it were unequivocally clear, like, mastodon is dead, it would be easy
627127;1397615567;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot TomServo
627128;1397615567;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask TomServo!sewandsew@light1.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TomServo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TomServo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TomServo | Rated since: never
627129;1397615590;mircea_popescu;once the Level 2: reads > 0 you can pm assbot !up and it'll voice you
627130;1397615713;asciilifeform;is there a vast legion of spammers, crying to get on the list?
627131;1397615722;BingoBoingo;TomServo: I'm a forgetful person, what sort of stuff do you do?
627132;1397615734;TestingUnoDosTre;if you sex slave yourself for bitcoin
627133;1397615744;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform prolly not yet.
627134;1397615749;asciilifeform;other than mr. whizz
627135;1397615752;TestingUnoDosTre;just make sure it's from a person on the Wot, then they'll give you a rate
627136;1397615806;TomServo;BingoBoingo: I'm a lowly network engineer, looking for my niche.
627137;1397615823;BingoBoingo;Ah
627138;1397615832;asciilifeform;TomServo: what made you take an interest in this channel ?
627139;1397615847;BingoBoingo;!up TomServo
627140;1397615847;assbot;Voice for TomServo extended to 30 minutes.
627141;1397615873;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlSYRqoCYAA9PpG.jpg
627142;1397615944;TomServo;asciilifeform: I've actually been here quite a while (2+ years I'd guess).  Hard for me find conversation as stimulating as what happens here.
627143;1397615945;mircea_popescu;(yes, that'd donald rumsfeld)
627144;1397615956;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol!
627145;1397615982;asciilifeform;next news: 'rumsfeld fined, estate auctioned, for inaccurate tax filings'
627146;1397615985;mircea_popescu;tis true, he's been here forever. aite.
627147;1397615996;mircea_popescu;;;rate TomServo 1 New blood.
627148;1397615997;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user TomServo has been recorded.
627149;1397616017;mike_c;amen donald.
627150;1397616160;TestingUnoDosTre;I hope they simplifiy the tax code and fuck mr rumsfeld
627151;1397616180;TestingUnoDosTre;just single him out in a nation of hundreds of millions
627152;1397616209;TomServo;mircea_popescu: cheers
627153;1397616290;joecool;not sure how that works if the tax accounting firm fucks it up badly, does fed go after them or the individual?
627154;1397616311;TestingUnoDosTre;that's a really good question
627155;1397616329;asciilifeform;individual. but some accountants provide a kind of 'insurance'
627156;1397616330;mike_c;the individual is responsible.
627157;1397616361;joecool;mike_c: for the amounts paid, but can't be held negligent if accountant fucks up
627158;1397616364;mircea_popescu;joecool pretty much, yes.
627159;1397616385;joecool;i'm assuming tax accountants carry insurance for this sort of thing
627160;1397616405;mircea_popescu;basically, as a us citizen you're better off if your accountant runs off with your money than if your accountant misfiles your taxes.
627161;1397616413;mircea_popescu;for the same sum
627162;1397616505;mike_c;what does 'held negligent' mean?  you have to pay the penalties..
627163;1397616508;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0075 = 1.5 BTC [+]
627164;1397616549;joecool;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/10/steve-harvey-20-million-tax-lien-ruined-marriage_n_4572436.html < had to look it up, someone mentioned this to me in passing a month or two ago
627165;1397616586;joecool;accountant pocketed his tax payments, didn't file for 7 years, then kicked the bucket, no idea about the truth of it all
627166;1397616665;TestingUnoDosTre;Huff post is like shit smeared all over the computer screen
627167;1397616685;joecool;sry couldn't find another source
627168;1397616692;mircea_popescu;actually a VERY similar thing happened here last year. i arrive at my accountant's office, usually a quiet place with maybe 1-2 other people present, cause the gal is nuts abour scheduling, to find it in complete turmoil, bunches of evidently panicked people.
627169;1397616720;mircea_popescu;turns out, an accountant handling the accounts of ~200 small businesses had been found by the tax authority to not have filed anything for months
627170;1397616742;mircea_popescu;so they re-allocated all teh customers to the shortlist of competent accountants all around town
627171;1397616748;mircea_popescu;10 here, 15 there, etc.
627172;1397616804;joecool;well i mean if you actually look at the returns, the accountant is signing off to say they believe the return to be true to the best of their knowledge under penalty of perjury
627173;1397616836;mircea_popescu;sure
627174;1397616846;joecool;the individual signs off to say they are reporting their income and such to the best of their knowledge
627175;1397616878;mircea_popescu;the owner is still responsible tho.
627176;1397616928;mircea_popescu;davout didn't wanna let me sell x.eur short, i could have been rich.
627177;1397616931;mircea_popescu;-er/
627178;1397616934;joecool;for the tax liability yes, fines (not interest) though i believe would get waived
627179;1397616948;mircea_popescu;joecool depends really.
627180;1397616981;joecool;i'm in this situation from the last company i started, initial accountant gave us horrible advice for 2012 since we formed the LLC in november and turned *very* small revenue, said it would be under limit to file
627181;1397617008;mircea_popescu;kinda stupid, why not use the year to create a tax liability
627182;1397617016;joecool;hired a better firm this year, they went over it and warned us we had to file, paid the filing fees from last year, and warned us to expect a letter from the IRS asking for damages
627183;1397617057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52394834 BTC [+]
627184;1397617088;joecool;there's a process to go through to appeal a fine in this sort of situation
627185;1397617106;joecool;current accountants will handle it
627186;1397617847;mircea_popescu;!up bloctoc
627187;1397617847;assbot;Voicing bloctoc for 30 minutes.
627188;1397617875;bloctoc;I don't know what that means
627189;1397617938;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust assbot bloctoc
627190;1397617938;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bloctoc: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bloctoc | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bloctoc | Rated since: Tue Oct 29 20:18:14 2013
627191;1397617964;BingoBoingo;bloctoc: Auth with gribble and pm assbot !up
627192;1397617984;bloctoc;do I get a prize or something?
627193;1397618027;mircea_popescu;well you can speak if you do
627194;1397618029;BingoBoingo;bloctoc: You get voice?
627195;1397618689;BingoBoingo;!up the20year1
627196;1397618689;assbot;Voicing the20year1 for 30 minutes.
627197;1397618700;the20year1;yay
627198;1397618715;the20year1;spent like 30m today trying to figure out how to authenticate via gpg and couldn't do it
627199;1397618732;BingoBoingo;It indeed takes time the first time
627200;1397618755;the20year1;gribble keeps giving me an error when i do the pastebin thing
627201;1397618782;BingoBoingo;I always just eauth and do the decrypt thing
627202;1397618790;mircea_popescu;^
627203;1397618799;the20year1;does that work for original registration?
627204;1397618809;the20year1;That's what i did, and it seemed like I still needed to register
627205;1397619131;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.08299776 = 1.577 BTC [-]
627206;1397619346;Apocalyptic;the20year1, have you submitted the keys to GPG servers ?
627207;1397619353;Apocalyptic;yes you have to auth the first time
627208;1397619355;Apocalyptic;*reg
627209;1397619414;the20year1;yeah , i did
627210;1397619435;Apocalyptic;<the20year1> gribble keeps giving me an error when i do the pastebin thing // what's the error then ?
627211;1397619446;bloctoc;seems like the price of bitcoin went up quite a bit with this new voice policy
627212;1397619462;BingoBoingo;bloctoc: Well, it is more drama
627213;1397619480;BingoBoingo;Drama !up Bitcoin !up
627214;1397619496;Apocalyptic;I haven't said this, but I think the new policy is a good idea, ty mircea
627215;1397619508;mike_c;(and kakobrekla)
627216;1397619526;Apocalyptic;indeed, he did the hard work
627217;1397619618;the20year1;on home laptop, not office pc
627218;1397619635;bloctoc;whoever set it up thanks.  Have my prize.
627219;1397619660;Apocalyptic;woot, dat NMC price
627220;1397619671;Apocalyptic;haven't seen the last pump
627221;1397619727;bloctoc;does that mean it's a secular thing?  I've seen some NMC services.
627222;1397619771;bloctoc;for the record I don't know what secular means in this context.
627223;1397619913;mircea_popescu;bloctoc bashed :D
627224;1397619924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00097271 = 10.6512 BTC [-]
627225;1397619945;mircea_popescu;kako did the hard work which is why i should be getting all the praise
627226;1397619962;Apocalyptic;that's how it works in business
627227;1397619966;mircea_popescu;indeed
627228;1397619968;Apocalyptic;managers get the credit
627229;1397619997;mike_c;plus hard work is its own reward
627230;1397620023;mircea_popescu;indeed.
627231;1397620260;mircea_popescu;nighty all.
627232;1397620559;Apocalyptic;btw pankkake, are you reading l'odieux connard ?
627233;1397621449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00097271 = 21.5942 BTC [-]
627234;1397621510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2899 @ 0.00097198 = 2.8178 BTC [-]
627235;1397621815;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06698979 = 0.134 BTC [-]
627236;1397623157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15501 @ 0.0009699 = 15.0344 BTC [-]
627237;1397623950;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02899999 = 0.174 BTC [-] {6} 
627238;1397624133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.054 = 0.108 BTC [+]
627239;1397624255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.053999 = 0.216 BTC [-]
627240;1397625780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00097357 = 2.726 BTC [+]
627241;1397625975;BingoBoingo;.d
627242;1397625975;ozbot;6.120 billion | Next Diff in 252 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.7964% in 1d 11h 32m 13s
627243;1397625986;BingoBoingo;The Wizard lives
627244;1397626977;Duffer1;!up ukyo
627245;1397626977;assbot;Voicing ukyo for 30 minutes.
627246;1397627122;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.52565556 = 5.2566 BTC [+] {6} 
627247;1397627123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18475 @ 0.00097395 = 17.9937 BTC [+] {2} 
627248;1397627191;BingoBoingo;!up numerisTrade
627249;1397627191;assbot;Voicing numerisTrade for 30 minutes.
627250;1397627220;numerisTrade;thanks
627251;1397627226;numerisTrade;hi all, hi BingoBoingo
627252;1397627244;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.52999999 = 2.65 BTC [+] {2} 
627253;1397627246;BingoBoingo;numerisTrade: Welcome, what's up?
627254;1397627258;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust assbot numerisTrade
627255;1397627258;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=numerisTrade | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade | Rated since: Thu Apr  3 07:04:18 2014
627256;1397627275;numerisTrade;will authenticate in a minute
627257;1397627290;BingoBoingo;cool
627258;1397627318;BingoBoingo;numerisTrade: What sort of stuff do you do?
627259;1397627369;numerisTrade;gradually paving my way to bitcoin finance, currently starting with secured loans / repo transactions on small scale
627260;1397627396;numerisTrade;you might have a look at http://numeristrade.blogspot.com/p/products.html
627261;1397627427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0050905 = 0.5091 BTC [+] {4} 
627262;1397627477;numerisTrade;any feedback would be very much appreciated
627263;1397627547;BingoBoingo;I'm a bit tipsy, but I'll take a look at it.
627264;1397627631;BingoBoingo;Wait TheRock is a thing? I made an account there once hoping to dump freexrp without a colonoscopy, but... seemed sketch
627265;1397627698;numerisTrade;well, I don't trust them with a lot of money, but everything seemed ok
627266;1397627724;numerisTrade;I had some technical issues once, the support reacted quickly
627267;1397627855;BingoBoingo;Well I guess since the second life thing they trade has been around, they probably function. It's just like they added support for crypto currencies while neglecting any sort of outreach. Also their limits seemed kind of crap when I tried them.
627268;1397628129;BingoBoingo;!up jordandotdev
627269;1397628129;assbot;Voicing jordandotdev for 30 minutes.
627270;1397628856;BingoBoingo;!up Ukyo
627271;1397628856;assbot;Voicing Ukyo for 30 minutes.
627272;1397629178;BingoBoingo;!up numerisTrade
627273;1397629178;assbot;Voicing numerisTrade for 30 minutes.
627274;1397629188;numerisTrade;thanks again
627275;1397629288;BingoBoingo;numerisTrade: You're welcome. Since the channel's quiet I'm trying to think about ways to give you level 2 with Assbot by trusting you that involve risk incurred on your part.
627276;1397629300;BingoBoingo;So you can self up
627277;1397629318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00097158 = 8.4527 BTC [-]
627278;1397629410;BingoBoingo;numerisTrade: You lend right?
627279;1397629433;numerisTrade;trying to, yes
627280;1397629435;*;fluffypony stretches
627281;1397629448;BingoBoingo;numerisTrade: Pick a baseball game happening tomorrow
627282;1397629458;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: borrowing when tipsy...? :-P
627283;1397629467;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: No.
627284;1397629467;numerisTrade;I don't know anything about baseball
627285;1397629490;numerisTrade;I know only how baseball bat looks like
627286;1397629521;fluffypony;numerisTrade: that makes two of us
627287;1397629531;fluffypony;my knowledge of baseball comes from two weeks in St. Louis
627288;1397629533;BingoBoingo;numerisTrade: Well, since lending is about pricing risk I was going to suppose a challenge where you might price risk for trust
627289;1397629549;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: The best place to get baseball knowledge
627290;1397629551;fluffypony;where all I had hammered into me was "Cardinals good, Pujols good"
627291;1397629559;fluffypony;"everyone else bad"
627292;1397629566;BingoBoingo;No, Pujols is washed up and Hollywood nao
627293;1397629577;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: yeah this was in early 2010
627294;1397629579;BingoBoingo;It's all about Yadier Molina now
627295;1397629610;BingoBoingo;I was In front of a classroom when Prince Albert betrayed us.
627296;1397629628;numerisTrade;maybe some other example?
627297;1397629629;BingoBoingo;A number of students were shaken the rest of the morning after I broke the news
627298;1397629662;BingoBoingo;numerisTrade: Well I was going to suppose something along the lines of:
627299;1397629673;BingoBoingo;1) You pick an event and outcome
627300;1397629692;BingoBoingo;2) I pick a price for the outcome
627301;1397629700;BingoBoingo;3) maybe we haggle a bit
627302;1397629715;BingoBoingo;4) we agree to an unescrowed bet.
627303;1397629783;BingoBoingo;5) If you win the bet you get coins and lended trust, or you lose and pay for trust for being a person of word in this matter
627304;1397629898;numerisTrade;ok, would you agree if we conducted this later on today? e.g. 2 p.m. GMT?
627305;1397630004;BingoBoingo;numerisTrade: I may not be awake then, but if I am I would still be amenable.
627306;1397630096;BingoBoingo;Since this is a kind of novel thing it may be best if we keep the stakes low at 0.01 BTC simply because unescrowed bets have such a poor history in BTC so far thanks to MNW
627307;1397630196;numerisTrade;I agree, as you might have noticed, I'm still quite small
627308;1397630220;numerisTrade;MNW?
627309;1397630222;BingoBoingo;numerisTrade: We are all small, this space is still small. I mean +m only happened Friday.
627310;1397630244;numerisTrade;I noticed :)
627311;1397630244;BingoBoingo;MNW was an episode in BTC history worth researching.
627312;1397630288;BingoBoingo;I'd also be open to considering sports where you might have the knowledge advantage provided you can specify a decent resolution source.
627313;1397630560;numerisTrade;ok, I'll prepare something. If you aren't on the channel then, I'll leave you a message, I'll be on the channel up till 21:00 GMT, or we'll meet tomorrow same time as today
627314;1397630579;fluffypony;MNW = Matthew N. Wright
627315;1397630584;fluffypony;a blight on the Bitcoin landscape
627316;1397630605;HeySteve;another scammer from old times?
627317;1397630620;fluffypony;HeySteve: not entirely
627318;1397630628;fluffypony;he had a bet that he lost
627319;1397630631;numerisTrade;fluffypony, yeah, googled him
627320;1397630633;fluffypony;and he didn't pay
627321;1397630636;joecool;Matthew N. Wright is a former Republican member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives.
627322;1397630645;BingoBoingo;numerisTrade: My waking hours as well as my online hours can be rather unpredictable even for myself. If you can find and event and we can agree to it before it plays I'd be amenable.
627323;1397630649;HeySteve;ah that's bad form, a man honours his debts
627324;1397630661;fluffypony;joecool: lol
627325;1397630712;BingoBoingo;"ah that's bad form, a man honours his debts" and "assbot removes voice from Ukyo" Fortuitous? Maybe I am just drunk and dense?
627326;1397630723;fluffypony;lol
627327;1397630800;numerisTrade;ok, thanks
627328;1397630839;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: What are your thoughts on this unescrowed bet as an entante that might establish a measure of trust?
627329;1397630849;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: I like the idea
627330;1397630860;fluffypony;and the risk to both parties is minimal
627331;1397630881;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Well, what if the newcoming party is especially new?
627332;1397630890;numerisTrade;:)
627333;1397630897;fluffypony;well we're talking about establishing a baseline
627334;1397630912;fluffypony;and the WOT will link the new party back to you
627335;1397630918;fluffypony;and the amount will surely be mentioned in the rating
627336;1397630924;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Sure
627337;1397630939;fluffypony;which means the educated user won't trust way beyond that
627338;1397630944;fluffypony;until the baseline has moved
627339;1397630948;fluffypony;which happens over time
627340;1397631033;BingoBoingo;But on the matter of +m being a thing, isn't the person with L1 trust offering a chance at L2 trust taking a substantial risk
627341;1397631038;BingoBoingo;!up numerisTrade
627342;1397631038;assbot;Voicing numerisTrade for 30 minutes.
627343;1397631061;fluffypony;it depends
627344;1397631072;fluffypony;if the newcomer ends up being a scammer, for instance
627345;1397631085;fluffypony;will those scammed come back to you and say "I trusted X because you trusted them!"
627346;1397631102;fluffypony;or will they, BEFORE trading/borrowing/whatevering, come to you and say "why do you trust X?"
627347;1397631126;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: I mean people can /ignore, but if the person who socially engineers trust for the purpose of spamming gets to self up, the only recourse is for the L1 to remove their trust or themselves be dropped
627348;1397631133;fluffypony;it seems to me that it should be the latter, but all too often it's the former
627349;1397631137;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: agreed
627350;1397631152;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Well coming and asking is the ony way a WoT works.
627351;1397631153;fluffypony;or even changing their rating to negative based on their observation of it
627352;1397631165;HeySteve;hey fluffypony, that reminds me, would you rate me for that deal we did?
627353;1397631171;fluffypony;HeySteve: sure
627354;1397631183;HeySteve;thanks you trusted me for about $500, I will return the favour
627355;1397631208;fluffypony;;;rate HeySteve 2 ~$500 ZAR interbank (EFT) transfer for my BTC/LTC, smooth like pineapple juice
627356;1397631209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00097414 = 7.1599 BTC [+] {2} 
627357;1397631209;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user HeySteve has been recorded.
627358;1397631222;HeySteve;heh pineapple juice
627359;1397631249;BingoBoingo;;;rate numerisTrade 1 Trust offered on credit
627360;1397631250;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user numerisTrade has been recorded.
627361;1397631273;numerisTrade;thank you!
627362;1397631283;numerisTrade;you are very generous
627363;1397631336;BingoBoingo;numerisTrade: Well I plan to remove/expire this loaned trust on Thursday unless we can find something to risk and establish a longer term lending of trust over.
627364;1397631405;numerisTrade;sure
627365;1397631413;fluffypony;what's interesting about WoT vs. something like BTCJam's profiles is that WoT makes the long-con substantially more difficult
627366;1397631418;BingoBoingo;numerisTrade: For the time in the interim I offer you the ability to self up so that you can answer questions on your lending venture and establish value with others or undertake some sort of risk to honor.
627367;1397631429;fluffypony;on BTCJam I see a LOT of people with "reputation" loans
627368;1397631444;fluffypony;they lend 5-10 times, various amounts
627369;1397631452;fluffypony;and because they've paid back they're considered trustworthy
627370;1397631484;fluffypony;but there's literally no other reason to trust them than they have a couple of months of not screwing anyone over
627371;1397631495;BingoBoingo;Reputation loans have always been a problem.
627372;1397631500;*;fluffypony nods
627373;1397631512;numerisTrade;;;ident
627374;1397631513;gribble;Nick 'numerisTrade', with hostmask 'numerisTrade!57ccf3c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.204.243.194', is identified as user 'numerisTrade', with GPG key id 3B5A64169734D48F, key fingerprint 8D77A1296B71AD54AD09F2FD3B5A64169734D48F, and bitcoin address None
627375;1397631516;BingoBoingo;Tradefortress was a horrible social engineering problem
627376;1397631530;fluffypony;yeah that was a mess
627377;1397631540;HeySteve;WoT is a deep system, very interesting
627378;1397631610;BingoBoingo;HeySteve: Honestly the biggest plus of bitcoin is that it compels WoT
627379;1397631684;HeySteve;yeah I'd say any kind of decentralised commerce needs such a system
627380;1397631688;fluffypony;I wonder if guys like that hoard their stash or end up living the high life for a few months before being broke?
627381;1397631732;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Like MNW? In his case there is no way to know that he ever had a stash.
627382;1397631742;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: I was thinking more like TF
627383;1397631767;BingoBoingo;http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/15/weev-talks-about-life-in-prison-and-his-plans-to-open-a-hedge-fund-tro-llc/
627384;1397631767;ozbot;Weev Talks About Life In Prison And His Plans To Open A Hedge Fund, TRO LLC  |  TechCrunch
627385;1397631777;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Still similar.
627386;1397631997;BingoBoingo;"Weev: One can abandon their citizenship in a tyranny for more reasonable shores. That’s about it. “Three Felonies a Day” is a great book explaining the commonplace reality of capricious indictments."
627387;1397632054;BingoBoingo;"They will not indict you because you are a bad operator. They will indict you because you are there. I overturned my verdict only because I am an asshole. "
627388;1397632085;BingoBoingo;!up eqx
627389;1397632085;assbot;Voicing eqx for 30 minutes.
627390;1397632439;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: How's the wife?
627391;1397632453;BingoBoingo;Tell anyone new to fuck themselves recently?
627392;1397632457;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: good, she's gone to gym already
627393;1397632461;fluffypony;hah
627394;1397632477;fluffypony;not since the last time someone insulted her
627395;1397632479;fluffypony;:-P
627396;1397632510;BingoBoingo;Well, this stuff has to be in the logs for future reference. I mean how old was the Trilema when she took the pic?
627397;1397632555;fluffypony;how old was the trilema?
627398;1397632558;fluffypony;*blank*
627399;1397632627;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: You remember the title better than I... ;;google title
627400;1397632635;fluffypony;aaah I see what you mean
627401;1397632638;fluffypony;from a year ago
627402;1397632648;BingoBoingo;Yeah
627403;1397632652;fluffypony;although I didn't know of its existence till it was pointed out
627404;1397632677;BingoBoingo;Exactly.
627405;1397632692;BingoBoingo;Finding the important stuff takes time.
627406;1397632710;fluffypony;:-P
627407;1397632725;fluffypony;maybe mircea should email people he blogs about so that they know
627408;1397632729;fluffypony;or there could be an alert service
627409;1397632730;fluffypony;:-p
627410;1397632740;fluffypony;"You've been Trilema'd!"
627411;1397632785;BingoBoingo;You'd be surprised how quickly Mircea found my blog once I'd opened it and it had been months since I had been a regular in -assets
627412;1397632863;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: It took mere hours http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/09/24/hope-you-had-a-happy-blood-day/#comment-17
627413;1397632907;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: maybe he has a Google alert notification for his name?
627414;1397632918;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: He dun google
627415;1397632937;fluffypony;DuckDuckGo, then
627416;1397633059;joecool;BingoBoingo: your site down?
627417;1397633115;BingoBoingo;joecool: No, just... not optimally fast
627418;1397633140;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: my nick / name wasn't mentioned on the post, except in the screenshot of the thread, so discovery would've been tricky
627419;1397633151;joecool;BingoBoingo: only been waiting like 30s for it to load
627420;1397633166;joecool;and counting :-\
627421;1397633166;BingoBoingo;joecool: That is concerning...
627422;1397633186;fluffypony;joecool: it loaded quickly for me?
627423;1397633197;BingoBoingo;It has been slow this past hour or so on the control panel, but the web side was responsive.
627424;1397633199;fluffypony;oh now it isn't
627425;1397633232;fluffypony;she's broken BingoBoingo :(
627426;1397633294;*;BingoBoingo fills out a support ticket and awaits bitcoin prices that can support a 1U server rack from endowment funds.
627427;1397633650;jurov;fluffypony: you know about rss ?
627428;1397633670;fluffypony;jurov: yes, but I didn't have Trilema in my feeds a year ago
627429;1397634198;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0051 = 1.02 BTC [+]
627430;1397634245;BingoBoingo;Support ticket filed.
627431;1397634736;BingoBoingo;Incense lit.
627432;1397634764;BingoBoingo;May BTC appreciate enough in the next year that one of these and colo be covered by the endowment http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101836
627433;1397634824;BingoBoingo;Also blog seems very responsive nao that ticket was filed
627434;1397634869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26414 @ 0.00097416 = 25.7315 BTC [+]
627435;1397635164;BingoBoingo;Sleep mode
627436;1397636101;bounce;america not democratic, say princeton boffins: https://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14
627437;1397636943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00097418 = 22.1626 BTC [+] {2} 
627438;1397637367;dignork;bounce: good read on US democracy, probably was menation here before: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2009/01/gentle-introduction-to-unqualified.html
627439;1397637378;dignork;*mentioned
627440;1397641030;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0286 = 0.1144 BTC [-]
627441;1397641152;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1300 @ 0.00016026 = 0.2083 BTC [-] {11} 
627442;1397641213;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1200 @ 0.00010118 = 0.1214 BTC [-] {5} 
627443;1397644751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.0051 = 0.4641 BTC [+]
627444;1397645788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00097153 = 30.0689 BTC [-] {2} 
627445;1397646337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.0009761 = 17.1794 BTC [+] {2} 
627446;1397648106;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
627447;1397648620;mircea_popescu;hey how the hell is rithm voiced! scam!
627448;1397648660;pankkake;John K back again
627449;1397648696;mircea_popescu;4th time ?
627450;1397648816;mircea_popescu;okay so just in case... anyone got a current contact for weev ?
627451;1397648938;dub;visit him in jail with a message stowed in your anus
627452;1397648951;fluffypony;he's out of jail atm?
627453;1397649097;dub;oh, then write it on a hotdog and throw it up the hallway that was his ass
627454;1397649224;mircea_popescu;dub scamconviction got vacated yo
627455;1397649326;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05250221 = 0.105 BTC [-]
627456;1397649404;fluffypony;http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702303663604579504691512965308-lMyQjAxMTA0MDEwNTExNDUyWj
627457;1397649405;ozbot;Mt. Gox Files for Liquidation  - WSJ.com
627458;1397649567;mircea_popescu;http://www.cso.com.au/article/534795/_pgp_encryption_has_had_stay-powering_does_it_meet_today_enterprise_demands_/
627459;1397649569;ozbot;'PGP' encryption has had stay-powering but does it meet today's enterprise demands? - CSO | The Reso
627460;1397649571;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^ :D
627461;1397650912;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 173 @ 0.00511054 = 0.8841 BTC [-] {6} 
627462;1397650973;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51000242 BTC [-]
627463;1397651095;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51000148 = 1.53 BTC [-] {3} 
627464;1397651706;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02862602 = 0.2863 BTC [-] {6} 
627465;1397651766;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05391665 = 0.3235 BTC [+] {5} 
627466;1397651767;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51 = 2.04 BTC [-]
627467;1397652525;pankkake;http://www.coindesk.com/inside-offshore-vault-gold-trades-bitcoin/
627468;1397652554;pankkake;didn't even know BullionRock existed
627469;1397652619;mircea_popescu;pankkake earlier this small island in the channel said it won't impose regulations
627470;1397652631;mircea_popescu;i dunno how far i'd trust them to stick with it, but so far it's been encouraging people.
627471;1397652864;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0660001 = 0.528 BTC [-] {2} 
627472;1397652986;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.066 = 1.782 BTC [-]
627473;1397653616;TestingUnoDosTre;Assembly is such a wise ass. Its like yah dude I know the deal, I'm in here eryday
627474;1397653626;TestingUnoDosTre;Assbot*
627475;1397653635;fluffypony;assbot is amazing!
627476;1397653635;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
627477;1397654360;pankkake;http://blog.oleganza.com/post/82878104033/bitundo-can-destroy-instant-0-confirmation-transactions
627478;1397654361;ozbot;Oleg Andreev - BitUndo can destroy instant 0-confirmation transactions
627479;1397654477;thestringpuller;$depth mpoe
627480;1397654479;mpexbot;thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['1599 @ 0.00097149', '15602 @ 0.00096589', '7100 @ 0.00095965', '9100 @ 0.00095903', '1000 @ 0.00095001']
627481;1397654480;mpexbot;thestringpuller: Asks: ['23988 @ 0.00097649', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '3846 @ 0.0009779', '19450 @ 0.00097963', '24900 @ 0.00098016']
627482;1397654926;numerisTrade;hello
627483;1397655973;fluffypony;numerisTrade: ¡ola!
627484;1397656015;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pgp article << what kind of dope do i need to smoke for this one to make sense ??
627485;1397656019;numerisTrade;yes, fluffypony?
627486;1397656033;fluffypony;numerisTrade: just saying hello :)
627487;1397656042;fluffypony;asciilifeform: managementthink
627488;1397656138;numerisTrade;¡ola!, fluffypony :)
627489;1397656356;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: weev article << 'TRO LLC (yes, the troll corporation), based in generating actionable financial intelligence from the computer underground. The primary strategy will be short equities' << poor sod, sits in usa, waits for nailgun.
627490;1397656386;nubbins`;"does PGP public-key encryption still meet today's enterprise demands, given the rise of cloud computing and mobile?"
627491;1397656403;nubbins`;"does encryption still make sense, now that we're looser than ever with our sensitive data?"
627492;1397656438;asciilifeform;meet today's enterprise demands << only ROT-13 can possibly meet demands!
627493;1397656489;nubbins`;too complicated, can't we just share all this stuff on the network drive?
627494;1397656721;nubbins`;!up davout
627495;1397656721;assbot;Voicing davout for 30 minutes.
627496;1397656725;nubbins`;!up Kushedout
627497;1397656725;assbot;Voicing Kushedout for 30 minutes.
627498;1397656729;nubbins`;!up numerisTrade
627499;1397656729;assbot;Voicing numerisTrade without time-limit.
627500;1397656734;nubbins`;!up MobGod
627501;1397656734;assbot;Voicing MobGod for 30 minutes.
627502;1397656738;nubbins`;!up dr3
627503;1397656738;assbot;Voicing dr3 for 30 minutes.
627504;1397656746;nubbins`;!up smidge
627505;1397656746;assbot;Voicing smidge for 30 minutes.
627506;1397656748;nubbins`;!up zoinky
627507;1397656748;assbot;Voicing zoinky for 30 minutes.
627508;1397656768;davout;nubbins`: wanna light some jasmine candles and talk about our feelings?
627509;1397656779;nubbins`;only if they're thin and green
627510;1397656825;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iels3GLw-zs
627511;1397656826;ozbot;Leonard Cohen-one of us cannot be wrong (original) - YouTube
627512;1397656844;zoinky;30 minutes wooo
627513;1397656870;dR3;wooo
627514;1397656870;nubbins`;for that matter:
627515;1397656871;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCtyvobvrIM
627516;1397656871;ozbot;Lagwagon Let's Talk About Feelings (full album) - YouTube
627517;1397656874;dR3;merci
627518;1397656924;nubbins`;hmm,  Voicing numerisTrade without time-limit?
627519;1397656928;nubbins`;;;gettrust assbot numerisTrade
627520;1397656928;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask numerisTrade!~numeris@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl. Trust relationship from user assbot to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=numerisTrade | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade | Rated since: Thu Apr  3 07:04:18 2014
627521;1397656937;nubbins`;ah, look at that
627522;1397657054;numerisTrade;I was wondering why are you voicing me. I mean, that's kind of you, but...
627523;1397657086;nubbins`;...unnecessary? :D
627524;1397657096;nubbins`;i just upped everyone who's joined since i did ;(
627525;1397657134;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1599 @ 0.00097149 = 1.5534 BTC [-]
627526;1397657199;numerisTrade;:)
627527;1397657561;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.05399999 = 0.918 BTC [+] {4} 
627528;1397658354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18384 @ 0.00097133 = 17.8569 BTC [-]
627529;1397659818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80741 @ 0.00096747 = 78.1145 BTC [-] {2} 
627530;1397660798;TestingUnoDosTre;I'm just beginning to read the mathew n Wright forum. Anyone want to give me a summary of the ending first?
627531;1397660855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 48 @ 0.0075 = 0.36 BTC [+]
627532;1397661221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1950 @ 0.00013991 = 0.2728 BTC [-] {10} 
627533;1397661465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4305 @ 0.0001162 = 0.5002 BTC [-] {7} 
627534;1397661564;jurov;..lived happily ever after.
627535;1397661980;bounce;... the butler did it
627536;1397663234;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52984286 BTC [+]
627537;1397663295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52990032 = 1.0598 BTC [+] {2} 
627538;1397663356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00554509 = 0.2495 BTC [-]
627539;1397663415;TestingUnoDosTre;Thanks guys...
627540;1397663417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00554489 = 0.1608 BTC [-]
627541;1397663452;Duffer1;sorry man that all was before my time, not sure what all happened
627542;1397663706;TomServo;He didn't pay, if I recall correctly
627543;1397663844;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
627544;1397663846;TomServo;!up mjr_
627545;1397663846;assbot;Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
627546;1397663861;mjr_;thanks?
627547;1397663868;*;rithm is wiggling his ass to https://soundcloud.com/gramatik/02-gramatik-torture-feat
627548;1397663877;rithm;did i break your chats with mursiks
627549;1397664005;TomServo;TestingUnoDosTre: 9 September 2012 Matthew Neal Wright (mentioned above) had been offering interested parties bets on whether the Bitcoin Savings and Trust will fail or not. Numerous people took the bet, MNW failed to pay out when the collapse of that Ponzi scheme became fact. Consequently scammertagged in the forum.
627550;1397664025;TomServo;http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/ was the source for that
627551;1397664026;ozbot;The Bitcoin Drama Timeline pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
627552;1397664027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 90 @ 0.0075 = 0.675 BTC [+]
627553;1397664028;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.46002048 BTC to 8`421 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
627554;1397664171;TestingUnoDosTre;So he didn't pay it all out, or he did pay some?
627555;1397664219;TomServo;I don't believe he paid at all
627556;1397664700;rithm;MNW paid some people privately
627557;1397664708;rithm;and others not at all
627558;1397664734;rithm;i used to think he paid no one but I've since learned differently
627559;1397664742;TestingUnoDosTre;Not sure if best or worst scam in entire history of bitcoin...
627560;1397664748;rithm;why he still hangs around though i dunno he's juvenile
627561;1397664757;rithm;sortof like micon
627562;1397664763;rithm;foum is full of them
627563;1397664773;TestingUnoDosTre;Doesn't look like he has a scammer tag any more
627564;1397664791;rithm;does a scammer tag on the forum have nay relevance at all?
627565;1397664797;rithm;i mean what does it mean?
627566;1397664804;rithm;is theymos a scammer?
627567;1397664822;rithm;sorry, i mean thermos, he goes by thermos now
627568;1397664869;*;rithm is just curious what the actual real world consequences of a bitcointalk.org scammer tag are
627569;1397664942;TestingUnoDosTre;I believe they stopped using them officially
627570;1397664973;TestingUnoDosTre;But some obvious people are still tagged-  ie nefario,  pirateat40
627571;1397664985;rithm;yes, and now there is some half assed trust system
627572;1397665002;rithm;which is broken because you have no way to idetify the person you communicate with on that forum
627573;1397665027;rithm;unless you start gpg signing pm's and posts
627574;1397665061;rithm;https://coinstax.com/product-detail/6/
627575;1397665061;ozbot;CoinStax – 1 oz. Perth Mint Gold Bars (25 count Box)
627576;1397665066;rithm;but this though
627577;1397665097;rithm;;;calc 33678.50/[tlast]
627578;1397665098;gribble;65.3951456311
627579;1397665193;benkay;;;gettrust mjr
627580;1397665194;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr | Rated since: never
627581;1397665200;benkay;;;gettrust mjr_
627582;1397665200;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr_ | Rated since: never
627583;1397665209;benkay;mjr_: you're not in the wot!?
627584;1397665220;benkay;;;rate TomServo 1 #bitcoin-assets +v
627585;1397665221;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user TomServo has been recorded.
627586;1397665232;benkay;;;gettrust phf
627587;1397665233;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf. Trust relationship from user benkay to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=phf | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=phf | Rated since: Thu Jan  2 22:27:02 2014
627588;1397665247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.02987944 = 0.5378 BTC [+] {2} 
627589;1397665438;pankkake;;;gettrust assbot theymos
627590;1397665439;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user theymos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=theymos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=theymos | Rated since: Mon Nov  8 13:36:30 2010
627591;1397665574;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust numerisTrade
627592;1397665574;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask numerisTrade!~numeris@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user numerisTrade: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=numerisTrade | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=numerisTrade | Rated since: Thu Apr  3 07:04:18 2014
627593;1397665646;mjr_;i am in the WoT
627594;1397665660;mjr_;but I think you have to look up by my name
627595;1397665675;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust assbot mjr
627596;1397665676;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mjr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mjr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr | Rated since: never
627597;1397665682;BingoBoingo;!up mjr_
627598;1397665682;assbot;Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
627599;1397665692;mjr_;;gettrust benkay
627600;1397665708;mjr_;;;gettrust benkay
627601;1397665709;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user mjr_ to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mjr_&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
627602;1397665722;mjr_;hmmm
627603;1397665734;mjr_;I believe in the WoT I am Josh_Rossi or JoshRossi
627604;1397665774;pankkake;;;gpg info Josh_Rossi
627605;1397665774;gribble;User 'Josh_Rossi', with keyid C286BB96FE9B6CD3, fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX, registered on Sat Mar  9 18:38:35 2013, last authed on Sat May 11 08:47:37 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Josh_Rossi . Currently not authenticated.
627606;1397665843;mjr_;yep
627607;1397665844;jurov;ôôident mjr_
627608;1397665846;mjr_;that's me
627609;1397665849;jurov;;;ident mjr_
627610;1397665849;gribble;Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186', is not identified.
627611;1397665856;mjr_;hold on a sec, i will identify
627612;1397665861;mjr_;if i can remember how
627613;1397665865;mjr_;;;help
627614;1397665866;gribble;The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
627615;1397665909;mjr_;what is the command?
627616;1397665915;mjr_;;;authenticate
627617;1397665915;gribble;Error: "authenticate" is not a valid command.
627618;1397665920;mjr_;;;ident
627619;1397665921;gribble;Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186', is not identified.
627620;1397665934;artifexd;You can do all that in a pm channel with gribble.
627621;1397665938;mjr_;k thanks
627622;1397665945;artifexd;It would prevent flailing about in public. ;)
627623;1397665951;mjr_;lol
627624;1397665954;mjr_;what is the command again?
627625;1397665956;bounce;a choice of auth, eauth, bcauth
627626;1397666098;benkay;artifexd: you're no fun!
627627;1397666111;mjr_;lol, don't worry still have trouble
627628;1397666124;mjr_;its a pastebin, right?
627629;1397666131;benkay;eauth Josh_Rossi
627630;1397666136;benkay;<decrpyt>
627631;1397666140;mjr_;what is gribble expecting for the verify part
627632;1397666142;benkay;everify <decrypted otp>
627633;1397666144;mjr_;a url?
627634;1397666147;mjr_;ah ok
627635;1397666162;benkay;;;gettrust phf
627636;1397666163;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf. Trust relationship from user benkay to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=phf | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=phf | Rated since: Thu Jan  2 22:27:02 2014
627637;1397666607;mjr_;;;idet
627638;1397666609;gribble;Error: "idet" is not a valid command.
627639;1397666613;mjr_;;;ident
627640;1397666613;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'mjr_', with hostmask 'mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186', is identified as user 'Josh_Rossi', with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
627641;1397666630;mjr_;now i'm identified, that is my WoT name
627642;1397666631;artifexd;;;gettrust assbot Josh_Rossi
627643;1397666631;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Josh_Rossi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Josh_Rossi | Rated since: never
627644;1397666659;mjr_;yeah...no one ever rates me
627645;1397666675;davout;;;rate mjr_ 1 nice guy
627646;1397666676;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
627647;1397666681;mjr_;thanks davout
627648;1397666685;davout;;;rate Josh_Rossi 1 nice guy
627649;1397666687;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded.
627650;1397666690;davout;here you go
627651;1397666691;mjr_;woohoo
627652;1397666699;artifexd;;;gettrust assbot Josh_Rossi
627653;1397666699;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Josh_Rossi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Josh_Rossi | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 12:44:36 2014
627654;1397666705;artifexd;There ya go.
627655;1397666712;mjr_;awesome
627656;1397666721;artifexd;Now if your nick matches your wot, you can pm assbot and !up yourself.
627657;1397666728;mjr_;I used to have a script that would authenticate me when i sign in
627658;1397666734;benkay;;;gettrust mjr
627659;1397666735;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr | Rated since: never
627660;1397666739;benkay;;;gettrust mjr_
627661;1397666740;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mjr_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mjr_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mjr_ | Rated since: never
627662;1397666751;benkay;;;gettrust Josh_Rossi
627663;1397666751;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask mjr_!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Josh_Rossi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Josh_Rossi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Josh_Rossi | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 12:44:36 2014
627664;1397666782;Josh_Rossi;does that make the warning go away?
627665;1397666788;Josh_Rossi;;;ident
627666;1397666789;gribble;Nick 'Josh_Rossi', with hostmask 'Josh_Rossi!~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186', is identified as user 'Josh_Rossi', with GPG key id C286BB96FE9B6CD3, key fingerprint 3812AFD43A6B8A057F37D858C286BB96FE9B6CD3, and bitcoin address 1LokQrHj14NU93tC6pZfTZyyRHhAVakQmX
627667;1397666796;benkay;;;rate Josh_Rossi 1
627668;1397666797;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded.
627669;1397666808;Josh_Rossi;i'm not even sure if i still have that btc address...
627670;1397666899;Josh_Rossi;;;rate davout 1
627671;1397666900;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.
627672;1397666907;Josh_Rossi;;;rate benkay 1
627673;1397666908;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
627674;1397666960;benkay;thanks, boss
627675;1397666963;mjr_;lol
627676;1397666979;mjr_;I have almost no standing in the WoT
627677;1397666991;mjr_;but I don't actually ask for stuff...so I guess its ok
627678;1397667223;TestingUnoDosTre;Hey i need to speak with a bitbet mod
627679;1397667232;jurov;;;rate mjr_ 1 satoshi square
627680;1397667233;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
627681;1397667244;jurov;;;rate Josh_Rossi 1 satoshi square
627682;1397667245;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Josh_Rossi has been recorded.
627683;1397667299;bounce;donald rumsfeld complaining the tax code is too complex. what'd he try and do about it when he had the chance?
627684;1397667382;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53180969 BTC [+]
627685;1397667504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 323 @ 0.14 = 45.22 BTC
627686;1397667723;kakobrekla;hmmm
627687;1397667741;TestingUnoDosTre;I just got robbed on a bet close to the timeline
627688;1397667753;kakobrekla;this aint right.
627689;1397667879;TestingUnoDosTre;I had a bet submitted with 1 confirmation before event occured, and they're trying to refund me
627690;1397667943;kakobrekla;who?
627691;1397667973;TestingUnoDosTre;What do you mean who?
627692;1397667996;benkay;;;rate phf 2 lisper
627693;1397667997;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user phf has been recorded.
627694;1397668003;pankkake;https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/447344144315211776/photo/1
627695;1397668019;kakobrekla;wtf is with the log.
627696;1397668059;TestingUnoDosTre;What's wrong
627697;1397668092;kakobrekla;i dont know seems fine no
627698;1397668093;kakobrekla;w
627699;1397668097;kakobrekla;its prolly me.
627700;1397668245;TestingUnoDosTre;Alright kako-  do you know people in charge or bitbet?
627701;1397668278;mjr_;does that work?
627702;1397668279;kakobrekla;TestingUnoDosTre i might
627703;1397668299;mjr_;what happened to the options on mpex?
627704;1397668313;kakobrekla;you got a few months of lag?
627705;1397668320;Duffer1;hehe
627706;1397668323;TestingUnoDosTre;I submitted a bet that had 1 confirmation prior to bitstamp going to 525and they're trying to refund
627707;1397668341;TestingUnoDosTre;Price still coulda tanked
627708;1397668364;Duffer1;you're getting a refund?
627709;1397668371;kakobrekla;is the timestamp of your bet on bitbet after the event or before?
627710;1397668400;TestingUnoDosTre;I can double check, but I'm pretty sure before
627711;1397668415;kakobrekla;well check then
627712;1397668466;TestingUnoDosTre;Double check
627713;1397669032;BingoBoingo;.d
627714;1397669033;ozbot;6.120 billion | Next Diff in 177 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.1257% in 1d 1h 34m 48s
627715;1397669060;TestingUnoDosTre;Yes.  Crossed over at 23:29. Bet time on bitbet 23:20
627716;1397669091;TestingUnoDosTre;http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg2zig1-minzczsg2014-04-15zeg2014-04-16ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
627717;1397669104;kakobrekla;;;later tell mircea_popescu complaint ^^
627718;1397669104;gribble;The operation succeeded.
627719;1397669109;kakobrekla;fixd
627720;1397669273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
627721;1397669516;TestingUnoDosTre;They're gonna pay everybody though. Says resolved!
627722;1397669561;bitcoinpete;benkay: "aristocracy" works like as well as ever. Also, very much enjoyed your recourse piece :D
627723;1397669609;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/ex-post-toronto-bitcoin-expo/
627724;1397669610;ozbot;Ex-Post: Toronto Bitcoin Expo | When Bitcoin Met Pete
627725;1397669694;kakobrekla;TestingUnoDosTre was it paid already?
627726;1397669710;kakobrekla;oh and btw, since im the first, greetings from Romania.
627727;1397669847;TestingUnoDosTre;They just paid it...
627728;1397669864;TestingUnoDosTre;Like literally just after I told you
627729;1397669910;kakobrekla;TestingUnoDosTre, wait for mp to return
627730;1397669926;kakobrekla;;;seen mircea_popescu
627731;1397669926;gribble;mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 48 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> i dunno how far i'd trust them to stick with it, but so far it's been encouraging people.
627732;1397669942;TestingUnoDosTre;My apologies... gotta settle down a little
627733;1397669956;fluffypony;bitcoinpete: so when are they launching their decentralised iOS exchange?
627734;1397669957;fluffypony;:-P
627735;1397669968;TestingUnoDosTre;Do they have an email, or how do I contact?
627736;1397670008;bitcoinpete;fluffypony: lol it's sitll in "pre-alpha"
627737;1397670015;bitcoinpete;still*
627738;1397670041;fluffypony;I look forward to running it, as long as I can invest in the "company" behind it with BitShares or ProtoShares or whatever-the-fuck-shares
627739;1397670047;bitcoinpete;kakobrekla: have fun at the conference! i hope to make it next year
627740;1397670048;kakobrekla;TestingUnoDosTre, here is a hint : http://mpex.co/
627741;1397670054;kakobrekla;eh
627742;1397670068;kakobrekla;i meant http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET
627743;1397670093;kakobrekla;thanks bitcoinpete, already having fun.
627744;1397670118;Apocalyptic;kakobrekla, you're the first that arrived ?
627745;1397670127;fluffypony;I should actually write a Dogecoin-denominated trading site and only allow companies that are clearly a joke
627746;1397670138;fluffypony;I'll call it DogecoinBourse
627747;1397670144;kakobrekla;Apocalyptic yes, noone will be here till tomorrow
627748;1397670159;TomServo;How many are supposed to attend this year?
627749;1397670168;kakobrekla;no clue
627750;1397670171;bitcoinpete;kakobrekla: drink a few ursus' and eat a few mititei for us. it's a deadly combo
627751;1397670173;kakobrekla;at least 2
627752;1397670200;Apocalyptic;jurov and asciilifeform are attending i think
627753;1397670200;kakobrekla;heh, you want to kill my stomach ? :)
627754;1397670258;kakobrekla;right now im in the hotel bar, sipping a double jack.
627755;1397670266;TomServo;very nice.
627756;1397670324;kakobrekla;20:45.05 .•• numerisTrade ( ~numeris@unaffiliated/numeristrade ) joined #bitcoin-assets
627757;1397670324;kakobrekla;20:45.05 .•• sendak.freenode.net sets #bitcoin-assets mode +v numerisTrade
627758;1397670324;kakobrekla;20:45.05 .•• ChanServ sets #bitcoin-assets mode -v numerisTrade
627759;1397670325;kakobrekla;lol.
627760;1397670347;kakobrekla;has this been a regular occurance?
627761;1397670436;TomServo;Not that I've noticed.
627762;1397670723;TestingUnoDosTre;Kako, you're the owner of bbet?
627763;1397670731;TomServo;heh
627764;1397670752;kakobrekla;TestingUnoDosTre halfassed.
627765;1397670763;TestingUnoDosTre;Help a brotha out. I'm making my living off your website
627766;1397670768;kakobrekla;:o
627767;1397670775;TestingUnoDosTre;Running on thin margins
627768;1397670783;kakobrekla;anyway, as i said, complaints to go to MP
627769;1397670792;kakobrekla;wait for him to return
627770;1397670927;TestingUnoDosTre;Complaints to the billionaire,?
627771;1397671015;kakobrekla;ofc.
627772;1397671234;thestringpuller;$depth mpoe
627773;1397671235;mpexbot;thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501', '450 @ 0.00082', '4000 @ 0.0008101', '3000 @ 0.00081']
627774;1397671236;mpexbot;thestringpuller: Asks: ['8459 @ 0.00096466', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '19450 @ 0.00097963']
627775;1397671357;bitcoinpete;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/16/mtgox_requests_liquidation/
627776;1397671392;bitcoinpete;the register has been reading -assets. ^borkt
627777;1397671486;fluffypony;lol
627778;1397671560;wywialm;hi all
627779;1397671560;fluffypony;I used to love TheRegister when it was this slightly obscure British publication that was the only way of following the BOFH saga
627780;1397671601;pankkake;oh I loved BOFH!
627781;1397671619;fluffypony;pankkake: the newer stuff got boring
627782;1397671626;fluffypony;but like pre-2005 BOFH is still golden
627783;1397671653;Naphex;evening
627784;1397671769;fluffypony;pankkake: most recent episode - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/21/bofh_2014_episode_3/
627785;1397671794;bounce;stopped reading that years ago. the old stuff was good, though.
627786;1397671834;bounce;bofh used to be on whatwasit networkworld? only came to el reg later
627787;1397671862;fluffypony;bounce: yeah, went to El Reg for its "revival"
627788;1397671870;TestingUnoDosTre;Why do you think they've been reading assets? Found no quotes UN artcke?
627789;1397671891;TestingUnoDosTre;In article. Fucking auto correct
627790;1397671903;BingoBoingo;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/04/15/this-reader-mocked-heartbleed-by-posting-his-passwords-online-youll-never-guess-what-happened-next/
627791;1397671903;ozbot;This reader mocked Heartbleed, posted his passwords online. Guess what happened next.
627792;1397671923;wywialm;bitcoinpete, some time ago i tried to discuss your deflation artice with you, do you have a while?
627793;1397671953;bitcoinpete;wywialm: shoot. what's on your mind?
627794;1397672004;wywialm;do you believe there may be bad deflation? or good inflation?
627795;1397672009;bounce;that pdf waffles like the fat frenchman wrote it
627796;1397672018;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06690987 = 0.1338 BTC [+]
627797;1397672026;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: "hacked" by some obscure definition of hacked we weren't previously privy to
627798;1397672054;BingoBoingo;Sure
627799;1397672153;bitcoinpete;wywialm: as hamlet said: “there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."
627800;1397672175;TestingUnoDosTre;For the record, bitcoin is inflating at a rapidly decreasing, defined rate
627801;1397672229;bitcoinpete;no doubt that a lot of people will be screwed out of pensions and other lofty promises, also little doubt that faux egalitarianism will fall by the wayside
627802;1397672279;bitcoinpete;TestingUnoDosTre: totally. it's the first deterministically scarce asset with a decreasing inflation rate
627803;1397672339;bitcoinpete;it's really fiat that's collapsing unpredictably into bitcoin
627804;1397672390;wywialm;ok, to be precise: do you believe there are circumstances in which deflation would do unnecessary harm to the economy, its net effects being negative?
627805;1397672417;wywialm;in the same way we could call some forms of governments net negative on the economy
627806;1397672420;TestingUnoDosTre;Not with a truly fungible asset
627807;1397672472;bitcoinpete;wywialm: i see the nets being positive
627808;1397672485;wywialm;to be even more precise, by inflation i mean rising *price level*, not plain money growth
627809;1397672486;bitcoinpete;and the harm as being entirely necessary
627810;1397672526;Apocalyptic;wywialm, you're using the perverted meaning of inflation I see
627811;1397672537;bitcoinpete;right, the price of goods and services is decreasing despite the monetary base increasing
627812;1397672561;wywialm;clearly that's the message of your article, bitcoinpete. I'm asking whether it is "always and everywhere"
627813;1397672609;wywialm;Apocalyptic, no, it's a standard definition, contrary to late Mises and Rothbard, and avoids much confusion
627814;1397672649;bitcoinpete;wy
627815;1397672680;bitcoinpete;wywialm: history would seem to say so. we'll see whether it rhymes this time 'round
627816;1397672750;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 350 @ 0.14 = 49 BTC
627817;1397672781;wywialm;to be even more clear, i generally agree with you that under normal conditions of rising productivity, moderate deflation is very desirable
627818;1397672807;bitcoinpete;bitcoin and gold are checks on tyrannical mobs
627819;1397672831;mod6;(10:01) <+pankkake> oh I loved BOFH! << me too, the old ones are best imho.
627820;1397672846;wywialm;sure, but that's fiscal effect of both. i try to focus on monetary effects
627821;1397672911;bitcoinpete;wywialm: monetary effects don't exist in isolation. nothing does. and least of all in economics
627822;1397672933;Apocalyptic;wywialm, not really, the standard definition is the increase of the money supply, or monetary base
627823;1397672955;bitcoinpete;we can't say that increasing x is desirable because it correlates to increased y without considering the social and political impacts
627824;1397672994;benkay;bitcoinpete: "whatever is is right" to quote another poet.
627825;1397673023;wywialm;bitcoinpete, we try to abstract from them now. Without this tool no economic analysis would be possible
627826;1397673041;benkay;;;gettrust wywialm
627827;1397673041;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask wywialm!~wywialm@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl. Trust relationship from user benkay to user wywialm: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=wywialm | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=wywialm | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 11:18:52 2014
627828;1397673083;benkay;good bad who cares bitcoin is here to kick the ass of anyone who wants to diddle the number of currency units around
627829;1397673106;kakobrekla;bad is good
627830;1397673116;bitcoinpete;benkay yup, pretty much. it's skill-gettin' time
627831;1397673170;wywialm;Apocalyptic, when did this term get 'perverted' and why would it be an argument against defining it that way?
627832;1397673198;wywialm;benkay :)
627833;1397673418;numerisTrade;bitcoinpete, would then *steadily shrinking* currency unharmful as well?
627834;1397673477;wywialm;good point
627835;1397673920;bitcoinpete;numerisTrade: i imagine that a currency whose supply is decreasing over time wouldn't make for a very good currency. an example of this would be the picassos in the world today. over time, they're lost to fires, floods, irreparable damage, etc. as such, no one defines picassos as currency just as no one sane defines bitcoin as money
627836;1397673992;numerisTrade;ok
627837;1397674092;numerisTrade;wait, bitcoin is not money only in current legal sense
627838;1397674111;jurov;https://lobste.rs/s/3utipo/openbsd_has_started_a_massive_strip-down_and_cleanup_of_openssl
627839;1397674112;TestingUnoDosTre;Gunna subconsciously call bitcoins Picasso's now every time I check my portfolio
627840;1397674113;ozbot;OpenBSD has started a massive strip-down and cleanup of OpenSSL | Lobsters
627841;1397674132;jurov;"they’re incinerating compatibility with upstream with a plasma torch" lol
627842;1397674196;wywialm;well, bitcoin is medium of exchange, you can play with definitions as you wish, but it won't help with understanding anything
627843;1397674226;bitcoinpete;numerisTrade: the irs' ruling of bitcoin as property is actually quite accurate and intelligent. bitcoin is far more like property overlooking central park than the dollars in our pockets
627844;1397674254;bitcoinpete;TestingUnoDosTre: might as well :D
627845;1397674260;numerisTrade;and bitcoins will reach a point when they will be decreasing, due to losses and so on
627846;1397674330;jurov;i guess eiteher they will be mined or some protocol to recover 100 years untouched outputs will be agreed upon
627847;1397674355;jurov;unlike picassos, here it is possible
627848;1397674399;wywialm;bitcoinpete, legalistically, yes, but property and land could be money in economic terms
627849;1397674461;bitcoinpete;wywialm: so can a barrel of oil. so can a chicken. so...
627850;1397674482;bitcoinpete;jurov: good point, hadn't thought of that. oh the wonders of software
627851;1397674514;thestringpuller;$depth mpoe
627852;1397674515;mpexbot;thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['11090 @ 0.00095019', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501', '450 @ 0.00082', '4000 @ 0.0008101']
627853;1397674516;mpexbot;thestringpuller: Asks: ['8459 @ 0.00096466', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '19450 @ 0.00097963']
627854;1397674555;wywialm;so we could analyse economic impact of bitcoin being money, either now or some time later
627855;1397674580;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0668 = 0.1336 BTC [-]
627856;1397674602;Apocalyptic;some protocol to recover 100 years untouched outputs will be agreed upon // unlikely
627857;1397674608;Apocalyptic;and I hope it doesn't happen
627858;1397674612;TestingUnoDosTre;Agreed
627859;1397674619;TestingUnoDosTre;Double agree
627860;1397674624;jurov;Apocalyptic: why not?
627861;1397674678;jurov;it would be just a simple rule that miner can take 5 million blocks old unspent output(s).
627862;1397674724;pankkake;it's a slippery slope
627863;1397674738;jurov;and there will be muich bigger changes necessary much sooner than 100 years, you really think SHA-256 will resist so long?
627864;1397674804;TestingUnoDosTre;There will be, an adequate replacement in 100 years
627865;1397674838;TestingUnoDosTre;And its not like bitcoin owners won't be able to transfer value to said systems
627866;1397674855;TestingUnoDosTre;A la shitcoins,  but better
627867;1397674885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
627868;1397674896;jurov;In fact I think having shorter delay, like 5 years would force criminals to spend, benefitting everyone
627869;1397674915;Apocalyptic;... what nonsense is this
627870;1397674935;Apocalyptic;jurov, really the criminal argument coming from you ?
627871;1397674942;pankkake;bitcoin could work with md4. the goal is to brute force it, so it doesn't matter how broken it is
627872;1397674967;jurov;what's so shocking?
627873;1397674972;asciilifeform;;;google satcoin
627874;1397674973;gribble;SAT solving - An alternative to brute force bitcoin mining: <http://jheusser.github.io/2013/02/03/satcoin.html>; [ANN] Saturncoin [SAT] - One of the most fast and secure coins ...: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441760.0>; jheusser/satcoin · GitHub: <https://github.com/jheusser/satcoin>
627875;1397674973;Apocalyptic;SHA-256 will resist so long? // even if a full 1 block colision is found, it won't affect mining
627876;1397674991;wywialm;jurov, do you believe spending of criminals will benefit the economy?:)
627877;1397675010;asciilifeform;nah, only the money of saints benefits economy
627878;1397675011;asciilifeform;lol
627879;1397675037;Apocalyptic;must be
627880;1397675075;wywialm;i happen to agree with you, especially considering bitcoin deflation argument, but if so, wouldn't e.g. printed-money-spending benefit economy as well in some cases?
627881;1397675109;jurov;i think it's more about stability of money supply
627882;1397675149;jurov;can you imagine someone hoarding and after 10 years throwing in few millions btc
627883;1397675153;wywialm;so, withholding money from circulation might have similar effects (and we believe them to be negative) as coin loss?
627884;1397675171;wywialm;(under certain conditions, not always, etc. of course)
627885;1397675179;pankkake;that person can hoard by moving the coins for free
627886;1397675191;pankkake;though miners would then be incentivized to REFUSE transactions
627887;1397675198;jurov;pankkake: but then everyon knows they are not lost
627888;1397675207;Apocalyptic;who cares
627889;1397675214;jurov;currently everyone can only guess
627890;1397675215;pankkake;no, you're not spending that output, because I want to grab it!
627891;1397675268;jurov;pankkake: market will solve that nicely. miners will take the txfee now instead of waiting for expiration
627892;1397675274;benkay;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBHjx4dYxjA
627893;1397675274;ozbot;Computer simulations teaching themselves to walk - Bizarre - YouTube
627894;1397675346;asciilifeform;better:
627895;1397675347;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBgG_VSP7f8
627896;1397675348;ozbot;Karl Sims - Evolved Virtual Creatures, Evolution Simulation, 1994 - YouTube
627897;1397675545;wywialm;bitcoinpete, let's follow jurov and imagine that somehow demand for money/bitcoin sharply increases. Would it be harmful to general trade conditions? That is, would it generate a recession? If not, why?
627898;1397675589;wywialm;probably, let's leave bitcoin for now, as it's not money as a unit of account for majority of bitcoinholders
627899;1397675600;wywialm;let's focus just on abstract 'money'
627900;1397675635;jurov;what is meant by "demand for bitcoin increases"?
627901;1397675678;wywialm;demand for money, no bitcoin :) flight from assets to cash.
627902;1397675695;wywialm;e.g. major 'risk-off'
627903;1397675713;wywialm;hoarding
627904;1397675715;wywialm;etc.
627905;1397675717;jurov;popping of reality/stock bubble as usual?
627906;1397675739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26946 @ 0.00095914 = 25.845 BTC [-]
627907;1397675788;wywialm;not necessarily - after such 'pop' there are usually calls that there was a bubble, but not every falling asset was a bubble previously
627908;1397675802;benkay;wywialm: it's money as a unit account for the bitcoin holders that matter.
627909;1397675809;benkay;note that everything on mpex is btc-denominated.
627910;1397675828;benkay;one can even buy hosting denominated in btc
627911;1397675861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7167 @ 0.00096466 = 6.9137 BTC [+]
627912;1397675886;thestringpuller;$epth
627913;1397675891;thestringpuller;$depth mpoe
627914;1397675892;mpexbot;thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['15174 @ 0.00095914', '75 @ 0.00095266', '11090 @ 0.00095019', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501']
627915;1397675893;mpexbot;thestringpuller: Asks: ['1292 @ 0.00096466', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '18750 @ 0.00097667', '19450 @ 0.00097963']
627916;1397675924;wywialm;sure, but i didn't want to enter this branch of discussion
627917;1397675940;benkay;in assets brach enters you!
627918;1397675948;thestringpuller;benkay: you missing shit
627919;1397675953;thestringpuller;get a bouncer :P
627920;1397676053;bitcoinpete;wywialm: from personal experience, when the price is going parabolic, there's little incentive to spend bitcoin when the good or service will be cheaper tomorrow and the need isn't dire
627921;1397676083;bitcoinpete;so under such conditions, the economy is filtered for value
627922;1397676120;wywialm;agreed, but this effect can be really harmful in a much more developed economy, with credit, net of contracts, many competitors on a single markets
627923;1397676195;TestingUnoDosTre;You just have to structure a debt contract with half a brain
627924;1397676214;wywialm;and then it is not only filtered for value, trade just goes down incredibly - we could go on claiming everything is fine, but then unemployed resources appear en masse
627925;1397676247;benkay;it will be interesting to see it play out, but nobody knows how it is actually going to play out.
627926;1397676274;TestingUnoDosTre;And thus we hoard
627927;1397676276;wywialm;it definitely will
627928;1397676292;benkay;wywialm: if there's no market for the stuff at the price, the price must move for the stuff to move.
627929;1397676306;benkay;bitcoin will bring a rigor to business unseen for centuries.
627930;1397676309;wywialm;TestingUnoDosTre, like what? indexing to something else?
627931;1397676341;benkay;wywialm: what's the root of your nick?
627932;1397676342;wywialm;benkay, or not
627933;1397676374;wywialm;that's my surname
627934;1397676381;TestingUnoDosTre;Or partially indexing.
627935;1397676384;benkay;how does one pronounce it?
627936;1397676429;wywialm;Vyhvial, or actually, Vyhviaw :) if you insist i could provide fonetic notation
627937;1397676440;wywialm;M is first letter of my name
627938;1397676470;wywialm;TestingUnoDosTre, but that's changing the unit of account :)
627939;1397676478;benkay;wywialm: what part of the world is that from?
627940;1397676482;wywialm;Poland
627941;1397676547;TestingUnoDosTre;Creditors may also want to shed some risk
627942;1397676602;TestingUnoDosTre;For example if they own a large amount of btc and want to protect against a big short term drop in value
627943;1397676652;wywialm;benkay, re: if there's no market for the stuff at the price, the price must move for the stuff to move
627944;1397676705;wywialm;there are exceptions to this, grouped under the tag of 'price rigidity', which has many origins and which i'll try to sum up briefly
627945;1397676792;wywialm;(generally, if there were no price rigidity, sharp deflation would be no problem, I believe)
627946;1397676830;bitcoinpete;price rigidity is just another form of tversky and khaneman's anchoring and adjusting
627947;1397676850;wywialm;no, not necessarily, it is beyond psychology
627948;1397676898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 908 @ 0.00011918 = 0.1082 BTC [+] {2} 
627949;1397676955;wywialm;first, there are menu costs and other costs of price adjustments, such as making plans and accounting
627950;1397677021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1292 @ 0.00096466 = 1.2463 BTC [+]
627951;1397677064;wywialm;second, there are long term contracts negotiated in terms of monetary unit of account
627952;1397677165;benkay;so the world changes out from underneath you sometimes. one tries to plan and account for these things. sometimes the irresistable force is just completely irresistable.
627953;1397677217;wywialm;and third, most important probably, are network coordination failures. On a reasonably populated market, if the nominal demand (or trade volume) falls, the first enterpreneur to lower prices would not suffer losses due to demand inelasticity
627954;1397677254;wywialm;benkay, true, but this is a source of rigidity which will impact the real economy
627955;1397677260;bitcoinpete;wywialm: right, which all means that the losses, as well as the profits, are privatized, whereas we currently socialize large losses
627956;1397677302;benkay;isn't monetary diddling used solely to socialize losses?
627957;1397677311;wywialm;bitcoinpete, i'm not a defender of current (fiscal and monetary) arrangements
627958;1397677312;benkay;solely, largely, a lot of the time, whatever
627959;1397677394;bitcoinpete;benkay: yup. and i meant to say that bitcoin prevents this, if i wasn't clear
627960;1397677399;kakobrekla;;;later tell davot rejected.
627961;1397677400;gribble;The operation succeeded.
627962;1397677413;kakobrekla;;;later tell davout rejected.
627963;1397677413;gribble;The operation succeeded.
627964;1397677418;kakobrekla;eh?
627965;1397677435;wywialm;currently, i'd bet something between 'largely' and 'sometimes'. Have a look at EU, they are heading for deflation, despite their official inflation targets, same in Poland
627966;1397677435;benkay;just helping to illuminate, bitcoinpete
627967;1397677441;kakobrekla;fuckin lag.
627968;1397677509;bitcoinpete;benkay: bueno ;)
627969;1397677517;wywialm;why don't they flood EU with cash, when they have mandate to do it?
627970;1397677545;bitcoinpete;good sesh. i'm out for now
627971;1397677558;wywialm;cya
627972;1397677558;benkay;hey wywialm who actually controls how much money sloshes around the eu?
627973;1397677572;wywialm;ECB
627974;1397677592;wywialm;in that, Germany and to lesser extent, France.
627975;1397677661;wywialm;and the same situation is in Poland, official inflation target is 2.5%, we are ~1% and head of National Bank of Poland says he's ok with that
627976;1397677692;wywialm;Czech Republic is probably deflating already
627977;1397677709;Apocalyptic;a good thing
627978;1397677737;wywialm;not necessarily, as i tried to point earlier
627979;1397677810;benkay;well head of NBP doesn't have much say in euro monetary supply does he?
627980;1397677843;wywialm;in PL we are monetary independent still
627981;1397677878;wywialm;we have zloty (which, by coincidence, means 'golden', and last had gold component 300 years ago)
627982;1397677889;wywialm;not EUR
627983;1397677897;benkay;asciilifeform: https://github.com/pf/erc-gribble
627984;1397677908;benkay;ah cool
627985;1397677934;benkay;well so anyways euro is deflating right now?
627986;1397677935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18491 @ 0.00096548 = 17.8527 BTC [+]
627987;1397677999;wywialm;inflation 0.5 %, target 2%
627988;1397678070;benkay;what are their lines of recourse and why aren't they using them?
627989;1397678110;wywialm;and it is not equally distributed throughout eurozone, south is deflating for a couple of years, -1.5% i believe
627990;1397678155;wywialm;they only use interest rate policy, which is veeery far from efficient
627991;1397678192;wywialm;and they are cowardly, i believe, as they could push interest rates lower even in their imperfect framework
627992;1397678271;wywialm;what they should do is to do as-neutral-as-possible QE. Think about it, if you have a bank, and demand for your notes skyrockets, you issue more, not less, right?
627993;1397678301;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06690993 = 0.2007 BTC [+] {2} 
627994;1397678309;asciilifeform;benkay: neato
627995;1397678365;wywialm;btw: that reminded me about another consequence of deflation, which should be obvious: the zero lower bound of interest rates
627996;1397678366;benkay;oh phf you can !up yourself in pm now
627997;1397678371;benkay;;;ident phf
627998;1397678371;gribble;Nick 'phf', with hostmask 'phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf', is identified as user 'phf', with GPG key id 5356DE4752432A9E, key fingerprint BDDE12104FE81BE7F83B698F5356DE4752432A9E, and bitcoin address 1N3iZVTNu4kco858zTpHUkfpzAWj6Uma7S
627999;1397678377;benkay;!up phf
628000;1397678377;assbot;Voicing phf without time-limit.
628001;1397678399;benkay;phf wrote that elisp
628002;1397678415;*;benkay goes back to mutating cloud boxes
628003;1397678435;phf;cheers
628004;1397678463;phf;next step is to add assbot integration
628005;1397678470;phf;now that i can test it ;)
628006;1397678490;benkay;sweet
628007;1397679102;wywialm;i'll be going, thanks benkay for a nice chat
628008;1397679119;benkay;see ya
628009;1397680682;thestringpuller;!last m s.mpoe
628010;1397680682;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096548 BTC [+]
628011;1397680713;thestringpuller;$depth mpoe
628012;1397680714;mpexbot;thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['15167 @ 0.00096548', '75 @ 0.00096', '15174 @ 0.00095914', '11090 @ 0.00095019', '1000 @ 0.00095001']
628013;1397680715;mpexbot;thestringpuller: Asks: ['49700 @ 0.00097016', '14441 @ 0.00097133', '14600 @ 0.00097259', '43200 @ 0.00097666', '18750 @ 0.00097667']
628014;1397680924;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 202 @ 0.00502054 = 1.0141 BTC [-] {9} 
628015;1397680925;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.50342865 = 2.5171 BTC [-] {5} 
628016;1397680941;BingoBoingo;;;ticker
628017;1397680943;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 511.23, Best ask: 512.93, Bid-ask spread: 1.70000, Last trade: 512.92, 24 hour volume: 32932.41992736, 24 hour low: 494.02, 24 hour high: 548.0, 24 hour vwap: 517.82933908
628018;1397680985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00499191 = 0.1897 BTC [-] {2} 
628019;1397681041;thestringpuller;wow amazing
628020;1397681041;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
628021;1397681307;Apocalyptic;pankkake, http://www.lecontrarien.com/2014/04/16
628022;1397681342;Apocalyptic;"c’est l’éducation nationale – ou ce qu’il en reste tant cette institution marque l’échec volontaire de notre société dans l’ensemble – qui réfléchit doctement non pas à améliorer le niveau scolaire déplorable de nos enfants mais à changer le système de notation des dictées. Nous ne comptabiliserons plus désormais que les mots qui sont bien écrits…"
628023;1397681345;Apocalyptic;dafuq
628024;1397681656;pankkake;I don't understand what he really means
628025;1397681667;pankkake;the whole website seems to advertise buying gold
628026;1397681766;Apocalyptic;I'm not sure but I read "Nous ne comptabiliserons plus désormais que les mots qui sont bien écrits…" as you just have to write 10 or 20 words correctly to get the full mark
628027;1397681823;Apocalyptic;he may be biased but I think he's right about "Ce mouvement vers l’inculture n’est pas français mais international" and the will to make people dumb generally
628028;1397681839;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.501 = 1.002 BTC [-] {2} 
628029;1397681900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00490007 = 0.3283 BTC [-] {2} 
628030;1397681901;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50100001 = 1.002 BTC [+]
628031;1397681961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.501 = 1.002 BTC [-]
628032;1397682327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05252 = 0.2101 BTC [-]
628033;1397682441;artifexd;;;later tell bitcoinpete You may want to increase the left margin on your ul,ol under media="all". As it is currently, it prevents your footnote labels from showing more than a single digit.
628034;1397682441;gribble;The operation succeeded.
628035;1397682449;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.052502 = 0.2625 BTC [-] {3} 
628036;1397682511;pankkake;!voice peterl
628037;1397682517;pankkake;!up peterl
628038;1397682517;assbot;Voicing peterl for 30 minutes.
628039;1397682526;peterl;thanks
628040;1397682544;artifexd;;;gettrust assbot peterl
628041;1397682544;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user peterl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=peterl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=peterl | Rated since: never
628042;1397682558;peterl;https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y49gAOT06_uDM25rocO3SOEyTyLYkWnZ5UFDikDceqA/edit?usp=sharing
628043;1397682559;ozbot;LIF retrospective - Google Docs
628044;1397682575;peterl;mircea_popescu: there you go
628045;1397682622;pankkake;;;rate peterl 1 member of the cult of mpex
628046;1397682623;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user peterl has been recorded.
628047;1397682651;peterl;lol, the scientology of bitcoin, right?
628048;1397682663;pankkake;yep
628049;1397682693;bounce;did git support signing of commits?
628050;1397682717;benkay;indeed, bounce it *does*
628051;1397682728;pankkake;yes, it does now. can be very useful
628052;1397682759;benkay;but maybe consider signing tags instead
628053;1397682759;pankkake;it breaks if you rewrite history though :(
628054;1397682776;benkay;for instance, check out https://github.com/pf/erc-gribble
628055;1397682782;benkay;then git tag -v beta_0
628056;1397682788;*;bounce was idly speculating on stuffing all law in a SCM, with public diffs. and signed commits by the head of state.
628057;1397682805;benkay;law, bounce ?
628058;1397682815;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06437036 = 1.6093 BTC [-] {4} 
628059;1397682816;bounce;law, benkay .
628060;1397682836;pankkake;where we're going, we don't need laws
628061;1397682883;phf;github doesn't even bother to inform you that there's a signature on the tag, but signed tags seem like a good place to put contracts
628062;1397682893;phf;(it doesn't affect history either)
628063;1397682909;pankkake;otherwise, I know it's planned to be used by gentoo - you need to sign every packaging commit given the sensible nature of it
628064;1397682932;pankkake;github is for people who don't know how to use git anyway :p
628065;1397682948;TestingUnoDosTre;Who ran LIF?
628066;1397682956;thestringpuller;lol pankkake why because you can edit files and commit them from the website?
628067;1397682963;pankkake;also, yes
628068;1397682987;benkay;bounce: what kinds of laws are you writing? and for whom are they?
628069;1397682988;peterl;LIF was run by me
628070;1397682989;*;phf ducks
628071;1397683019;bounce;who says I am writing laws?
628072;1397683035;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/TorEkelandPC/status/456520800892620800
628073;1397683035;ozbot;Twitter / TorEkelandPC: yo, @rabite court just signed ...
628074;1397683047;benkay;bounce try it like i'm twelve
628075;1397683053;BingoBoingo;Weev is now unconditionally free
628076;1397683096;bounce;apparently there's a "TRO LLC IRC" somewhere
628077;1397683147;BingoBoingo;Really?
628078;1397683163;BingoBoingo;I imagine it isn't on freenode...
628079;1397683203;bounce;could try and dig through that timeline a bit
628080;1397683460;TestingUnoDosTre;What did he get booked for? Read the article and they mostly talked about trial etc
628081;1397683486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.06690777 = 5.3526 BTC [+] {8} 
628082;1397683507;bounce;IIRC he'd sucked up a bunch of apple device IDs from at&t's leaky activation site
628083;1397683544;TestingUnoDosTre;And then shorted the stock or sometning?
628084;1397683547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.00499506 = 0.6993 BTC [+] {4} 
628085;1397683598;bounce;no, more like told'em to fix it, and they responded with the fbi instead. something like that.
628086;1397683652;TestingUnoDosTre;Ahhh I thought he said he was reaping some short term trades after publishing about these weaknesses
628087;1397683713;TestingUnoDosTre;In the article it said EFF didn't want to get near the case until appeal was possible.  I had higher expectations
628088;1397683770;TestingUnoDosTre;Thought they might be a last bastion in th shitstorm which is the US legal sphere
628089;1397683845;BingoBoingo;It wasn't quite that.
628090;1397683868;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Use this opportunity to return with the narrative
628091;1397684066;TestingUnoDosTre;This http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/15/weev-talks-about-life-in-prison-and-his-plans-to-open-a-hedge-fund-tro-llc/
628092;1397684144;TestingUnoDosTre;From article" I am here to shift the market cap of publicly traded companies downward by publicizing problems in their technical infrastructure. Very few people manage to do this. In fact, besides the times I’ve done so, I can only think of a handful of other incidents."
628093;1397684148;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: What about the charges related to ATT
628094;1397684182;TestingUnoDosTre;He was freed from them, No?
628095;1397684184;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Also return with information on what happened to the guy who plead out
628096;1397684203;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Well, what was the exact story on what he was charged for doing
628097;1397684203;TestingUnoDosTre;Isn't that was said article is about?
628098;1397684346;Namworld;Let me make up a quote for weev: "I am Troll, c?"
628099;1397684460;TestingUnoDosTre;Ahhh I see. EFF did help out, after other lawyers did the footwork
628100;1397684600;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Well, what was the exact act Weev was charged for
628101;1397684710;TestingUnoDosTre;Like the charge, or what did he do?
628102;1397684774;TestingUnoDosTre;He submitted a bunch of false cc-ids in attempt to reverse engineer the ID to number conversion that att used
628103;1397684864;TestingUnoDosTre;Charge was identify theft and conspiracy to commit yada yada yada computer fraud act
628104;1397684887;TestingUnoDosTre;My battery is dead though.  Gots to go
628105;1397688915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00096841 = 2.4694 BTC [+]
628106;1397689571;BingoBoingo;;;later tell mircea_popescu ATC statement sent
628107;1397689571;gribble;The operation succeeded.
628108;1397690867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.0009671 = 22.34 BTC [-] {2} 
628109;1397691799;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
628110;1397691805;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 532.93, vol: 30405.03419523 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 530.0, vol: 26368.61606 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 535.48, vol: 29414.42731683 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 525.0, vol: 132.76821455 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 530.150907, vol: 8937.38800000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 523.52018, vol: 51.15564199 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 530.6112, vol: 156.56210479 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
628111;1397691812;BingoBoingo;;;more
628112;1397691812;gribble;532.626348898
628113;1397691827;mircea_popescu;who dares complain!!11
628114;1397691935;BingoBoingo;Eh, someone who tried to bitbet late
628115;1397691987;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-04-2014#627678
628116;1397691990;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
628117;1397692197;peterl;but why is it crashing?
628118;1397692331;mod6;what is?
628119;1397692336;BingoBoingo;Dollars!!!
628120;1397692362;peterl;the price, it is down from its high
628121;1397692439;peterl;!t m x.eur
628122;1397692439;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00313681 / 0.00313681 / 0.00313681 (786 shares, 2.47 BTC), 30D: 0.00213452 / 0.00257686 / 0.00313681 (2268 shares, 5.84 BTC)
628123;1397692551;mircea_popescu;!up SatoshiJack
628124;1397692551;assbot;Voicing SatoshiJack for 30 minutes.
628125;1397692610;SatoshiJack;thanks mp -- we are very close -- should open doors for atc in the next couple of days...
628126;1397692695;peterl;SatoshiJack: who is we?
628127;1397692697;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
628128;1397692699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4917 @ 0.00096548 = 4.7473 BTC [-]
628129;1397692806;SatoshiJack;My team...the satoshiJack team :)
628130;1397693477;benkay;;;gettrust SatoshiJack
628131;1397693477;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18. Trust relationship from user benkay to user SatoshiJack: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=SatoshiJack | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SatoshiJack | Rated since: never
628132;1397693492;benkay;;;gettrust assbot SatoshiJack
628133;1397693492;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask SatoshiJack!d05aad12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.90.173.18. Trust relationship from user assbot to user SatoshiJack: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=SatoshiJack | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=SatoshiJack | Rated since: never
628134;1397693821;peterl;is it considered better manners to set otc ratings in the channel or via pm with gribble?
628135;1397693873;mircea_popescu;hasn't gotten to the point of actually bothering yet.
628136;1397693880;mircea_popescu;i suspect people like to keep an eye on it
628137;1397693897;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo looking good.
628138;1397693916;BingoBoingo;At least for a while bringing up the assbot - target path is probably productive to see if people wanting voice can already !up themselves
628139;1397693920;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Thanks
628140;1397693939;benkay;peterl: we're all making it up as we go
628141;1397693958;benkay;the dynamics of upping is interesting to watch as well
628142;1397694208;mircea_popescu;so reading the log... is nubbins` like this chan's cialis or what.
628143;1397694222;bitcoinpete;;;later tell artifexd your nudge was just what i needed to finally get that done. thanks!
628144;1397694222;gribble;The operation succeeded.
628145;1397694268;BingoBoingo;nubbins` is a lot of things
628146;1397694283;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [+]
628147;1397694302;mircea_popescu;Duffer1: sorry man that all was before my time, not sure what all happened << mnw figured he'd be a smartass, bet everyone pirate will deliver (after default). 10k btc, which he obviously lost, which he then reneged on (pretending he's "delivering" by simply writing 10k BTC in a foirum post) and got banned.
628148;1397694304;mircea_popescu;then got unbanned
628149;1397694307;mircea_popescu;then got banned again
628150;1397694330;mircea_popescu;then piles of drama, it gets circular.
628151;1397694340;Azelphur;I remember that
628152;1397694344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15249 @ 0.00095914 = 14.6259 BTC [-] {2} 
628153;1397694363;mircea_popescu;congratulations, you're old enough :)
628154;1397694386;Azelphur;\o/
628155;1397694412;mircea_popescu;rithm: which is broken because you have no way to idetify the person you communicate with on that forum << stop slandering https etc.
628156;1397694435;Azelphur;that was pretty funny "This bet is serious business, if you place the bet and loose then don't pay, you will be marked as a scammer and banned"
628157;1397694444;Azelphur;"Oh shit I lost... NOPE IT WAS ALL A BIG JOKE HAHAHA"
628158;1397694460;mircea_popescu;myeah.
628159;1397694612;Azelphur;I remember he was  writer at bitcoin magazine too, iirc he got fired over it
628160;1397694736;BingoBoingo;Bitcoin Magazine has its own lulzy history
628161;1397694806;bitcoinpete;;;rate artifexd 1 nudger
628162;1397694807;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user artifexd has changed from 1 to 1.
628163;1397694835;mircea_popescu;Azelphur nah, he was fired when the bitpay crew screwed the original owner out of his shares and put that romanian kid in
628164;1397694841;mircea_popescu;whatever his name is. who maybe left meanwhile or w/e
628165;1397694846;Azelphur;I see
628166;1397694869;mircea_popescu;or maybe he left in protest or maybe he was fired right before that ? shit's starting to get foggy
628167;1397694885;Azelphur;god alone knows
628168;1397694900;Azelphur;he's not a nice fellow, tldr.
628169;1397694970;mircea_popescu;i dunno he's not nice. he's definitely one of the guys that got raped in the ass by their failure to take bitcoin serious enough.
628170;1397694980;mircea_popescu;where enough is a value roughly in excess of hard infinity.
628171;1397694983;mircea_popescu;aleph three.
628172;1397695045;mircea_popescu;;;later tell TestingUnoDosTre eh what robbed, thing closed at like 11, you bet 11:20 or what
628173;1397695045;gribble;The operation succeeded.
628174;1397695166;BingoBoingo;The hazard of late BitBets, on price especially is when the thing hits verus where it sticks can be... messy, and the difference here is in the house's favor
628175;1397695223;mircea_popescu;i have no idea why people insist to try and use a knowledge advantage. fucking thing has about 700 bells and whistles pointing out you'll get hurt in all likeliness
628176;1397695226;mircea_popescu;yet people can't resist.
628177;1397695239;mircea_popescu;i guess it's all a testament to the SEC's historical success  in controlling insider trading.
628178;1397695259;mircea_popescu;hear ye of little competence : i am and i have been doing a shitload better than you ever did, to the degree the differential is culture-shocking people.
628179;1397695313;peterl;one more reason to bet early
628180;1397695316;BingoBoingo;Preach it. I mean why do people keep getting this "free winning" idea when BET is in the name
628181;1397695320;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3073 @ 0.00011911 = 0.366 BTC [+] {4} 
628182;1397695336;mircea_popescu;i guess it's just irresistible and that's how it'll stay.
628183;1397695396;mircea_popescu;o look i missed the polish inflation discussion.
628184;1397695399;mircea_popescu;maybe next time.
628185;1397695456;BingoBoingo;The de/in-flation discussions always have a next time
628186;1397695508;benkay;http://theumlaut.com/2014/04/16/a-coup-not-an-exit/
628187;1397695536;benkay;the light begins to dawn...
628188;1397695579;mircea_popescu;"This view is charmingly naïve. "
628189;1397695599;mircea_popescu;assholes not in here daring to claim things are "charmingly naive". irony crits.
628190;1397695625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00095719 = 12.4435 BTC [-]
628191;1397695626;benkay;perhaps they read logs?
628192;1397695631;benkay;perhaps they have someone reading logs?
628193;1397695635;mircea_popescu;still presumptuous.
628194;1397695657;mircea_popescu;peterl can you post that again in something that's not a hairball of js ? like a pastebin say. or a wp blog or something.
628195;1397695691;peterl;yeah, sure, give me a minute
628196;1397695709;benkay;php > js
628197;1397695750;bitcoinpete;benkay: eli doesn't get the scarcity angle. few casual observers do, particularly amid the mt gox this and that noise
628198;1397695794;mircea_popescu;benkay im trying to be user friendly shush you
628199;1397695799;benkay;i don't really get the mining arguments. but yes, containerization.
628200;1397695813;benkay;paucity of new coins, bitcoinpete ?
628201;1397695852;bitcoinpete;basically
628202;1397695870;bitcoinpete;"Bitcoin for now exists at the pleasure of governments" << this is just priceless
628203;1397695875;peterl;http://pastebin.com/euqGSEgn
628204;1397695875;ozbot;LIF retrospective - Pastebin.com
628205;1397695880;bitcoinpete;there's some gems in there
628206;1397695888;peterl;is that better?
628207;1397695900;benkay;signed and everything
628208;1397695908;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/456595768221003777
628209;1397695908;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @rabite Let's talk. ...
628210;1397695913;mircea_popescu;if guy actually shows up someone up him.
628211;1397695914;peterl;cause sure, why not sign it?
628212;1397695946;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete everyone wants to think that the earth sucked before he showed up to fix it.
628213;1397695994;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: and that times, they are a changing. so fast that history is useless
628214;1397696009;benkay;;;gettrust peterl
628215;1397696009;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask peterl!~peterl@108-204-237-26.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user benkay to user peterl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=peterl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=peterl | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 17:10:12 2014
628216;1397696034;mircea_popescu;whoa stumbleupon still exists ?!
628217;1397696047;bitcoinpete;define "exist"
628218;1397696056;benkay;peterl: what is your otc identity?
628219;1397696070;mircea_popescu;that's a point. "anything other than a rip page"
628220;1397696071;peterl;peterl is my otc id
628221;1397696129;benkay;hm
628222;1397696183;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: lol that doesn't leave a lot, does it
628223;1397696209;mircea_popescu;http://fuckedcompany.com/ bitcoinpete
628224;1397696210;ozbot;FuckedCompany.com - Official Lubricant Of The New Economy
628225;1397696235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00095299 = 16.582 BTC [-]
628226;1397696265;bitcoinpete;that's a new one
628227;1397696276;mircea_popescu;lol. it's not new, young padawan. you are :D
628228;1397696304;bitcoinpete;lol i meant for me!
628229;1397696383;mircea_popescu;hehe. that was the techmeme before arlington was invented.
628230;1397696418;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.50072223 = 9.013 BTC [-] {7} 
628231;1397696450;bitcoinpete;http://t.co/4DE6RoFKMj
628232;1397696481;bitcoinpete;the nobel comes to bitcoin
628233;1397696482;mircea_popescu;"Best ATM Design" ?
628234;1397696493;mircea_popescu;what's this troop smoking lmao
628235;1397696502;mircea_popescu;"Most Impactful Charity"
628236;1397696515;mircea_popescu;anyone wants to bet the bitpay sister gets that ? what was her name
628237;1397696522;bitcoinpete;mp, you'd better win best journalist
628238;1397696526;mircea_popescu;Each of the winners will receive 1 BTC
628239;1397696532;mircea_popescu;aghagaga o spare me sally.
628240;1397696549;bitcoinpete;and influential investor lol
628241;1397696570;BingoBoingo;I think MP takes most influential investor
628242;1397696578;mircea_popescu;i should probably make a pie throwing contest, give 10 btc to the best thrown pie to the face of these losers.
628243;1397696586;bitcoinpete;and legal expert, and bitcoin champion, and on an on
628244;1397696598;mircea_popescu;that;s about their total pool.
628245;1397696613;bitcoinpete;except it was funny/sad how few people at the bitcoin expo in toronto who'd even heard of you or mpex
628246;1397696648;bitcoinpete;there should be EmPee Awards
628247;1397696652;peterl;they have a list of people they already picked to honor (themselves), and they had to come up with a category for everybody?
628248;1397696657;mircea_popescu;how many people at bitcoin toronto heard of niederauer ?
628249;1397696677;bitcoinpete;fair enough
628250;1397696785;mircea_popescu;lol why am i looking at some japanese chick with her panties on
628251;1397696832;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/447344144315211776
628252;1397696833;ozbot;Twitter / rogerkver: Tokyo has the best Bitcoin ...
628253;1397696858;mircea_popescu;srsly, i am not impresst.
628254;1397696910;bitcoinpete;EmPee Award categories: best haircut, funniest log line, herpiest derp, best troll…
628255;1397696932;bitcoinpete;ya, she looks like an amputee
628256;1397697006;bitcoinpete;http://www.seriouss.net/#!Support-the-BitGive-Foundation/c20df/0281C51F-4999-40B1-8653-13F099D34964
628257;1397697007;ozbot;Serious Stuff
628258;1397697041;bitcoinpete;donating bitcoin to charity will "not only will it help a worthy charitable cause, it will also contribute to the future success of Bitcoin:" <<obviously lol
628259;1397697088;mircea_popescu;this is a stupid idea, because in general charity is powered by tax deductions.
628260;1397697097;mircea_popescu;this makes donations the absolute last thing bitcoin will do.
628261;1397697140;mircea_popescu;but try and talk it to the fucktards who have some shit impacted in their head which they misrepresent as an idea, and then try to use everything they encounter on the road as shit-amplifyer, instead of using it as a shit removing device.
628262;1397697208;BingoBoingo;!b 3
628263;1397697208;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1782548/plain/)
628264;1397697211;bitcoinpete;everything is used to amplify brain damage here
628265;1397697231;bitcoinpete;it's socially encouraged
628266;1397697243;peterl;well, according to IRS rules, couldn't you claim a bitcoin donation as charitable donation for tax purposes?
628267;1397697255;mircea_popescu;peterl try and do so.
628268;1397697266;peterl;since bitcoins are assets like cars and shit?
628269;1397697276;mircea_popescu;you can claim anything you want, including that you have 84 minor children.
628270;1397697278;mircea_popescu;then you get audited.
628271;1397697282;mircea_popescu;then you get to argue it in court.
628272;1397697284;mircea_popescu;then you win.
628273;1397697287;mircea_popescu;or die, whichever comes first.
628274;1397697319;mircea_popescu;people with actual tax accountants who get actual advice (ie, the people in a position to make meaningful donations) don't do stupid shit because that;'s what happened to be in front of their eyes that hour.
628275;1397697319;peterl;as long as the charity gave you a receipt, I don't see why there would be any hassle?
628276;1397697346;mircea_popescu;because the business of the irs is to hassle the margin.
628277;1397697370;mircea_popescu;that's what a taxman does, in all tiumes and places. it's the fundamental conservative mechanism of a society.
628278;1397697511;mircea_popescu;!up thecluck
628279;1397697511;assbot;Voicing thecluck for 30 minutes.
628280;1397697687;mircea_popescu;lampelinaa how's it going ?
628281;1397697694;bitcoinpete;.d
628282;1397697694;ozbot;6.120 billion | Next Diff in 121 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.3566% in 0d 17h 8m 44s
628283;1397697712;mircea_popescu;!up bettycla1p
628284;1397697712;assbot;Voicing bettycla1p for 30 minutes.
628285;1397697715;mircea_popescu;!up wutwhutw1t
628286;1397697715;assbot;Voicing wutwhutw1t for 30 minutes.
628287;1397698480;mircea_popescu;.d
628288;1397698480;ozbot;6.120 billion | Next Diff in 120 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.2178% in 0d 17h 17m 59s
628289;1397699022;BingoBoingo;;ticker
628290;1397699026;BingoBoingo;;;ticker
628291;1397699028;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 522.3, Best ask: 525.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.70000, Last trade: 522.28, 24 hour volume: 30337.42561740, 24 hour low: 494.02, 24 hour high: 548.0, 24 hour vwap: 520.388624434
628292;1397699320;TestingUnoDosTre;mircea_popescu - about this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/800/bitcoin-price-above-525-before-may/ it was the other way around. I had bet at + received 1 confirmation (and bet posted to bitbet) at 23:20. The bitstamp price crossed over at 23:29
628293;1397699344;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre looks like 23:00 on that graph
628294;1397699499;TestingUnoDosTre;Let me check the difference between bitcoincharts time and GMT
628295;1397699624;TestingUnoDosTre;I had about 10 minutes before the crossover, I was watching it at the bar
628296;1397699725;TestingUnoDosTre;Here's what I have on bitcoincharts, loaded 1 minute data 2014-04-15 23:29:00524.51527521.54527163.886233.43526.46
628297;1397699748;TestingUnoDosTre;at 23:29, open was 524.51, close was 527
628298;1397699759;TestingUnoDosTre;here
628299;1397699761;TestingUnoDosTre;here's my tx https://blockchain.info/address/17GnrasopAN9TKFSH88v7f3qEHbY4vkDJ3
628300;1397699769;TestingUnoDosTre;posted to bitbet 6 minutes later
628301;1397699849;TestingUnoDosTre;this is the page I loaded data from (apologize but it has like 2 days worth of 1 minute data) http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg1zig1-minzczsg2014-04-16zeg2014-04-17ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
628302;1397699959;mircea_popescu;i think you're arguing the wrong tack here.
628303;1397699970;mircea_popescu;nobody is going to go into the level of detail you need for your case.
628304;1397699984;mircea_popescu;bitbet is not a good venue to be doing this sorts of "oh but i bet x seconds before it ticked".
628305;1397700003;mircea_popescu;bet a day early and get refunded, then you got something.
628306;1397700088;mircea_popescu;!up blackwhite
628307;1397700088;assbot;Voicing blackwhite for 30 minutes.
628308;1397700161;TestingUnoDosTre;I'll back down if I must. I agree with the gist of what you're saying, but I played by the rules and it's somewhat easy to verify that I was in "on time"
628309;1397700274;TestingUnoDosTre;There's no reason the price couldn't have swung in the opposite direction
628310;1397700284;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre well, the life of a late bettor is hard. if you get in, you get in. however, if you don't you don't, and it's the mod that makes the call.
628311;1397700342;TestingUnoDosTre;I feel like I most definitely did get in though. But enough of this dicussion
628312;1397700353;blackwhite;hola peeps
628313;1397700368;mircea_popescu;heya
628314;1397700402;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Remember that BitBet has worse fates than a refund for the late.
628315;1397700456;TestingUnoDosTre;I do understand, and that's the risk I was taking. I did bet before the event occured though...
628316;1397700524;mircea_popescu;!up elgrecoFL
628317;1397700524;assbot;Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.
628318;1397700833;joecool;!up BCB
628319;1397700833;assbot;Voicing BCB for 30 minutes.
628320;1397700843;BCB;thx
628321;1397700847;BCB;anyone interested in a 25 BTC Casascius Coin
628322;1397700977;thestringpuller;$depth mpoe
628323;1397700979;mpexbot;thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['20800 @ 0.00095321', '41904 @ 0.00095299', '6100 @ 0.00095168', '1000 @ 0.00095001', '1000 @ 0.00094501']
628324;1397700980;mpexbot;thestringpuller: Asks: ['12200 @ 0.00095568', '15960 @ 0.00095719', '3800 @ 0.00095861', '5400 @ 0.0009597', '9188 @ 0.0009601']
628325;1397701023;BingoBoingo;;;rate BCB 1 Been around Bitcoin forever, investigates scamzors
628326;1397701024;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BCB has been recorded.
628327;1397701046;BCB;BingoBoingo, thanks
628328;1397701056;BCB;;;rated BingoBoingo
628329;1397701056;gribble;You have not yet rated user BingoBoingo
628330;1397701065;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-the-past/
628331;1397701066;ozbot;The problem of the past pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
628332;1397701068;mircea_popescu;peterl ^
628333;1397701083;mircea_popescu;and everyone with a legal inclination, if you have a moment, pls to read.
628334;1397701097;BCB;BingoBoingo, still waiting for pirateat40 to go to jail!
628335;1397701097;BingoBoingo;BCB: I've seen you around forever now, but I don't think we've had occasion to interact.
628336;1397701122;BingoBoingo;BCB: I imagine he will find worse than jail
628337;1397701165;BCB;BingoBoingo, I think he already has.  WIfe left him, all his assets have been seized,  He's back living in his mother's house
628338;1397701182;BCB;and he's being sued by the SEC
628339;1397701191;BCB;Life doesn't get much worse then that
628340;1397701205;BingoBoingo;BCB: There are far worse things than that. He is going to see the future he could have been a part of, but was exiled from in its infancy
628341;1397701228;BingoBoingo;Killing him would have been kinder than that
628342;1397701256;mircea_popescu;wow that's some high drama aproach right there.
628343;1397701266;mircea_popescu;tho tbh, i think the kid's exactly smart enough for that to smart.
628344;1397701269;joecool;BCB: prison rape is in the future
628345;1397701327;mircea_popescu;this obsession with prison rape srsly. it;s like 30 cases per 100k inmates
628346;1397701329;BingoBoingo;joecool: Sphincters heal, serious regret is forever
628347;1397701330;BCB;joecool, if he goes to prison it will be some low sec location.  Not much prison rape there.  Lots of checkers and shuffleboard
628348;1397701332;mircea_popescu;in the us. in canada it's like 3x that.
628349;1397701379;BCB;BingoBoingo, I don't think he ever saw a future in bitcoin.  He just saw it as a way to make a quick buck.  He was too smart for his own good.
628350;1397701380;joecool;mircea_popescu: reported cases? canadians are probably just more shameless
628351;1397701406;BingoBoingo;BCB: It doesn't matter if he saw it then. He is doomed to see it the rest of his life.
628352;1397701420;peterl;mircea_popescu: looks like you tear apart my story just as intended. thanks.
628353;1397701433;BingoBoingo;And there is no such thing as "too smart for their own good"
628354;1397701433;mircea_popescu;joecool i dunno why someone would fail to report rape in prison.
628355;1397701437;mircea_popescu;it's a distraction.
628356;1397701482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00095321 = 5.052 BTC [+]
628357;1397701637;mircea_popescu;;;later tell peterl your signature is pretty shitty.
628358;1397701637;gribble;The operation succeeded.
628359;1397701679;mircea_popescu;!up roamfree
628360;1397701679;assbot;Voicing roamfree for 30 minutes.
628361;1397701719;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well there is such a thing as thinking they're too smart for their own good
628362;1397701743;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot cazalla
628363;1397701743;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask cazalla!cazalla@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:fedb:949f. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cazalla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cazalla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cazalla | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:17:43 2014
628364;1397701753;mircea_popescu;;;rate cazalla 1 New blood.
628365;1397701754;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded.
628366;1397701760;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sure, but such a thing is just a hypertrophic form of Dunning-Kreuger
628367;1397701769;mircea_popescu;aye
628368;1397701902;BingoBoingo;Not merely thinking one is adequate for such a thing, but thinking one was too good at such a thing to have gotten away with it.
628369;1397702058;joecool;!ping
628370;1397702064;joecool;;;ratingsystem viewrating assbot
628371;1397702064;gribble;Error: The "RatingSystem" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "viewrating" in it.  Try "list RatingSystem" to see the commands in the "RatingSystem" plugin.
628372;1397702077;joecool;;;ratingsystem getrating assbot
628373;1397702077;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User assbot, rated since Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014. Cumulative rating 26, from 9 total ratings. Received ratings: 9 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 29 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot
628374;1397702334;elgrecoFL;<+mircea_popescu> !up elgrecoFL
628375;1397702334;elgrecoFL;<@assbot> Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.
628376;1397702354;mircea_popescu;lol timing is everything
628377;1397702357;mircea_popescu;!up elgrecoFL
628378;1397702357;assbot;Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.
628379;1397702365;elgrecoFL;heh. what was that about? :)
628380;1397702395;elgrecoFL;great bot name, btw
628381;1397702439;mircea_popescu;well you got voice.
628382;1397702463;elgrecoFL;thx. did i not have voice?
628383;1397702504;mircea_popescu;nope.
628384;1397702529;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust assbot elgrecoFL
628385;1397702529;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user elgrecoFL: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=elgrecoFL | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=elgrecoFL | Rated since: never
628386;1397702532;elgrecoFL;well... i'm speechless :p
628387;1397702546;BingoBoingo;Were speechless
628388;1397702576;TestingUnoDosTre;that assbot is amazing
628389;1397702576;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
628390;1397702658;mircea_popescu;the amazing times and feats of assbot, the amazing ass bot.
628391;1397702658;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
628392;1397702666;elgrecoFL;heh
628393;1397702682;elgrecoFL;lets see if ozbot speaks in this channel
628394;1397702686;elgrecoFL;stupid bot
628395;1397702687;ozbot;Gamisou re malaka!
628396;1397702694;elgrecoFL;wewt
628397;1397702711;mircea_popescu;haha wut
628398;1397702713;mircea_popescu;stupid bot
628399;1397702714;ozbot;Gamisou re malaka!
628400;1397702718;mircea_popescu;til.
628401;1397702719;elgrecoFL;he speaks greek
628402;1397702730;elgrecoFL;well, curses in greek
628403;1397702740;BingoBoingo;!up BCB
628404;1397702740;assbot;Voicing BCB for 30 minutes.
628405;1397702749;mircea_popescu;who was running ozbot ? scrat ?
628406;1397702753;BingoBoingo;BCB: You should be able to self voice nao
628407;1397702754;BCB;BingoBoingo, I'm cool  authed now.  Thx
628408;1397702758;BCB;;;voiceme
628409;1397702764;elgrecoFL;mircea_popescu: jezzz
628410;1397702770;mircea_popescu;ah
628411;1397702772;joecool;unlike gribble
628412;1397702773;elgrecoFL;well, he wrote it anyway
628413;1397702776;joecool;;;rated gribble
628414;1397702776;gribble;You rated user gribble on Sun Mar  2 22:05:31 2014, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: knows damn right who I am.
628415;1397702779;BingoBoingo;BCB: The method here is PM'ing assbot !up
628416;1397702792;BCB;ahh ok.  thx
628417;1397702794;joecool;;;whoami
628418;1397702794;gribble;I don't recognize you.
628419;1397702798;joecool;-_-
628420;1397702799;BCB;;;whoami
628421;1397702800;gribble;I don't recognize you.
628422;1397702802;BCB;fucker
628423;1397702804;mircea_popescu;;;whosurmom
628424;1397702804;gribble;Error: "whosurmom" is not a valid command.
628425;1397702814;BCB;!up
628426;1397702814;assbot;Need a nickname, BCB.
628427;1397702817;BingoBoingo;!up Periscope
628428;1397702817;assbot;Voicing Periscope for 30 minutes.
628429;1397702829;BCB;whoami
628430;1397702835;BCB;;;whoami
628431;1397702835;gribble;I don't recognize you.
628432;1397702842;BingoBoingo;Plain !up works in PM, !up nick works in channel
628433;1397702885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00095321 = 4.0988 BTC [+]
628434;1397703034;benkay;one can also /msg assbot !up
628435;1397703039;benkay;dat one-liner
628436;1397703039;mircea_popescu;;;later tell PeterL what key did you sign that pastebin with anyway ?!
628437;1397703039;gribble;The operation succeeded.
628438;1397703133;thestringpuller;lolol
628439;1397703325;mircea_popescu;later all!
628440;1397703434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00095321 = 6.1959 BTC [+]
628441;1397703573;benkay;thestringpuller: ping
628442;1397703765;thestringpuller;p
628443;1397703767;thestringpuller;ya
628444;1397704174;BingoBoingo;!up elgrecoFL
628445;1397704174;assbot;Voicing elgrecoFL for 30 minutes.
628446;1397704185;BingoBoingo;elgrecoFL: What sort of stuff do you do?
628447;1397704229;elgrecoFL;I excel in channel idling. This may be my first time ever speaking here in over a year.
628448;1397704420;BingoBoingo;Cool
628449;1397704455;elgrecoFL;:). just a bitocin enthusiast
628450;1397704466;BingoBoingo;Ah
628451;1397704467;elgrecoFL;don't really "do" much.
628452;1397704472;BingoBoingo;It happens
628453;1397704489;elgrecoFL;yep. small time mining since 2011
628454;1397704500;benkay;wish i got to do not much ;)
628455;1397704557;BingoBoingo;benkay: For some people doing a lot is showering once in a week. For other people not doing much is working 18 hour days.
628456;1397704612;elgrecoFL;heh. i'm closer to 10 hour days.
628457;1397704661;benkay;BingoBoingo: I suppose.
628458;1397704685;benkay;BingoBoingo: i do sometimes long for the days of the 40-hour work week.
628459;1397704703;BingoBoingo;BCB: !up yourself just to make sure things work
628460;1397704790;BingoBoingo;benkay: Sometimes I long for the days when the smell of cunt juice on the fingers was a new smell
628461;1397704842;benkay;haha sounds like you need to go find some new cunts to sniff
628462;1397704871;BCB;that did it
628463;1397704873;BCB;thax
628464;1397704880;BingoBoingo;BCB: Ur welcome
628465;1397704893;BingoBoingo;benkay: Maybe.
628466;1397704895;benkay;;;gettrust assbot BCB
628467;1397704895;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask BCB!~BCB@ec2-54-204-38-85.compute-1.amazonaws.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BCB: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BCB | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BCB | Rated since: Thu Sep 20 19:03:51 2012
628468;1397705142;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 44 @ 0.0049998 = 0.22 BTC [-]
628469;1397705323;BingoBoingo;benkay: Has your Dukeness given much thought as to the requirements you suppose on those who would be your Ridders?
628470;1397705365;BingoBoingo;benkay: And your Jonkheers?
628471;1397705464;benkay;much thought
628472;1397705466;benkay;few conclusions
628473;1397705481;BingoBoingo;Similar situation here.
628474;1397705516;benkay;one interesting thing is this numeric count req'd to get into assbot's wot
628475;1397705520;benkay;say you rate someone +1
628476;1397705523;benkay;and I rate them -1
628477;1397705527;benkay;i imagine they'd not be able to !up any more.
628478;1397705531;benkay;;;gettrust assbot benkay
628479;1397705532;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user benkay: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 9 via 9 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
628480;1397705557;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust assbot BingoBoingo
628481;1397705558;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013
628482;1397705589;benkay;baseline requirements: must be able to sign things with wot key or decrypt things sent to wot key
628483;1397705606;benkay;;)
628484;1397705649;BingoBoingo;Well that is the minimum or even below it to get self upping
628485;1397705666;benkay;there's a bit of inflation at the bottom end. i'm willing to +1 for #bitcoin-assets voice, and +2 people I know to be people and not terrifically scummy.
628486;1397705710;benkay;but the question of who receives that +1 is open.
628487;1397705788;benkay;bare minimum for a 3 is that i've done biz witcha.
628488;1397705810;BingoBoingo;Seems reasonable
628489;1397705909;benkay;;;seen herbijudlestoids
628490;1397705909;gribble;herbijudlestoids was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 15 hours, 5 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <herbijudlestoids> BingoBoingo: if someone wanted to offer hosting services, do you think most people are after a VPS with SSH access? or just a VPS with a panel?
628491;1397705931;BingoBoingo;Oh, that
628492;1397705940;benkay;herbi can up himself
628493;1397705950;BingoBoingo;can he?
628494;1397705966;benkay;he's in your WoT.
628495;1397705971;benkay;;;gettrust assbot herbijudlestoids
628496;1397705971;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user herbijudlestoids: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=herbijudlestoids | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=herbijudlestoids | Rated since: Fri Feb 14 01:33:49 2014
628497;1397705972;joecool;wot
628498;1397705978;joecool;u wot m8?
628499;1397705993;artifexd;;;gettrust assbot joecool
628500;1397705993;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool. Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=joecool | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=joecool | Rated since: Thu Apr 28 14:23:15 2011
628501;1397706008;joecool;!rated artifexd
628502;1397706013;joecool;;;rated artifexd
628503;1397706013;gribble;You have not yet rated user artifexd
628504;1397706138;BingoBoingo;;;rate herbijedelstoids 1 voice
628505;1397706139;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
628506;1397706164;BingoBoingo;;;rate herbijedelstoids 1 voice
628507;1397706164;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
628508;1397706193;BingoBoingo;;;rate herbijudelstoids 1 voice
628509;1397706193;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
628510;1397706220;BingoBoingo;;;rate herbijudlestoids 0
628511;1397706221;gribble;Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero.
628512;1397706231;BingoBoingo;;;unrate herbijudlestoids
628513;1397706232;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for herbijudlestoids.
628514;1397706259;BingoBoingo;The consequences of spelling
628515;1397706513;benkay;lol
628516;1397706517;benkay;so bitvps busted cert?
628517;1397706521;benkay;https://bitvps.com/
628518;1397706521;ozbot;BitVPS: SSD VPS & Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin | SSD VPS + Dedicated Servers for Bitcoin
628519;1397706569;benkay;casual inspection sez ok, but chrome sez nawp
628520;1397706574;BingoBoingo;Wow
628521;1397706698;benkay;now comes my favorite part of client work
628522;1397706719;benkay;figuring out your crazy dns provider's web panel
628523;1397706728;BingoBoingo;Ah
628524;1397706789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00095392 = 10.3023 BTC [+]
628525;1397707094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00095308 = 10.8651 BTC [-] {2} 
628526;1397707887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11829 @ 0.00095299 = 11.2729 BTC [-]
628527;1397708985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00095299 = 6.9568 BTC [-]
628528;1397709229;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0525 = 0.105 BTC [-] {2} 
628529;1397709595;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50699999 BTC [+]
628530;1397709900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52797797 BTC [+]
628531;1397710754;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02854669 = 0.2855 BTC [-] {6} 
628532;1397710755;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.053459 = 0.2673 BTC [+]
628533;1397710815;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.028 = 0.14 BTC [-] {3} 
628534;1397710816;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.053459 = 0.1604 BTC [+]
628535;1397710847;BingoBoingo;Trolling IRL: Expert Mode
628536;1397710848;BingoBoingo;http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/04/16/statement-from-edson-family/1Eui4H6OIvy6Xc6F7gKNNK/story.html
628537;1397710849;ozbot;Statement from the Edson family - Metro - The Boston Globe
628538;1397712249;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: what did Kevin do?
628539;1397712284;BingoBoingo;;;google boston anniversary backpack detonation
628540;1397712284;gribble;Two backpacks detonated by police at Boston Marathon finish line ...: <http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/boston-marathon-finish-line-evacuated-masked-man-dumps-backpack-reports-article-1.1757577>; Man arrested after dropping backpack at Boston Marathon finish line ...: <http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/16/suspicious-package-reported-near-boston-marathon-finish-line-police- (1 more message)
628541;1397712307;fluffypony;oh geeze
628542;1397712311;fluffypony;what an idiot
628543;1397712495;fluffypony;gah
628544;1397712497;fluffypony;don't dd in the morning
628545;1397712541;fluffypony;meant to kill dd with -USR1
628546;1397712545;fluffypony;did -HUP instead
628547;1397712553;fluffypony;braindead.
628548;1397712584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05345899 = 0.1069 BTC [-] {2} 
628549;1397712706;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0537725 = 0.2151 BTC [+] {4} 
628550;1397712889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.0009542 = 7.8244 BTC [+] {2} 
628551;1397714426;kakobrekla;hi.
628552;1397714442;fluffypony;kakobrekla: heya
628553;1397714507;jurov;ello
628554;1397714512;Duffer1;ni
628555;1397714515;Duffer1;hi even
628556;1397714518;fluffypony;group hug!
628557;1397714595;bitcoinpete;https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/cryptanalysis_o.html
628558;1397714596;ozbot;Schneier on Security: Cryptanalysis of SHA-1
628559;1397714631;bitcoinpete;an oldie
628560;1397714677;bitcoinpete;there's an old saying inside the NSA: "Attacks always get better; they never get worse."
628561;1397714963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00095299 = 15.0096 BTC [-]
628562;1397714998;bitcoinpete;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-16/richest-man-asia-selling-everything-china
628563;1397715000;ozbot;The Richest Man In Asia Is Selling Everything In China | Zero Hedge
628564;1397715025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35058 @ 0.0009561 = 33.519 BTC [+] {3} 
628565;1397715039;bitcoinpete;there's a reason li ka-shing made a token investment in bitpay: best way to buy off-market coins is off merchants
628566;1397715512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11282 @ 0.00095785 = 10.8065 BTC [+] {2} 
628567;1397716854;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2794 @ 0.00072505 = 2.0258 BTC [-] {10} 
628568;1397717037;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00095673 = 9.4238 BTC [-]
628569;1397717098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00095906 = 14.6257 BTC [+] {3} 
628570;1397718097;kakobrekla;;;seen mircea_popescu
628571;1397718097;gribble;mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 6 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> later all!
628572;1397718135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2678 @ 0.00095996 = 2.5708 BTC [+]
628573;1397718257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.0049998 = 0.31 BTC [-]
628574;1397718381;kakobrekla;a well.
628575;1397718391;kakobrekla;i go.
628576;1397719264;HeySteve;http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/238ew5/warning_serious_issues_at_cryptsy/
628577;1397719266;ozbot;[WARNING] Serious issues at Cryptsy : dogecoin
628578;1397719620;kakobrekla;wtf dogecoin foundation, really.
628579;1397719696;jurov;https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=689790241052816&set=vb.109662802398899&type=2&theater just watch and relax.
628580;1397719720;kakobrekla;arent you suppose to be here
628581;1397719736;jurov;its friday already?
628582;1397719758;kakobrekla;ah, no, someone else is early
628583;1397719764;kakobrekla;sorry
628584;1397719770;jurov;np :)
628585;1397719775;jurov;good for you
628586;1397719809;kakobrekla;well, its good in the sense they did open the bar, its bad that im alone :)
628587;1397719833;jurov;well, if you said in advance...
628588;1397719850;kakobrekla;m?
628589;1397719872;jurov;i could go a day earlier, too
628590;1397719887;kakobrekla;ah.
628591;1397719899;jurov;but i got sick anyway, better stay here a day and get better
628592;1397719912;kakobrekla;nothing serious ?
628593;1397719936;jurov;looks like not
628594;1397719945;kakobrekla;cool
628595;1397719971;Naphex;morning
628596;1397720044;kakobrekla;heya
628597;1397720514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8304 @ 0.00095603 = 7.9389 BTC [-]
628598;1397720697;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
628599;1397720758;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 21 @ 0.0075 = 0.1575 BTC [+]
628600;1397721658;kakobrekla;https://opencryptoaudit.org/reports/iSec_Final_Open_Crypto_Audit_Project_TrueCrypt_Security_Assessment.pdf
628601;1397721708;kakobrekla;Vulnerability Summary
628602;1397721708;kakobrekla;Total High severity issues
628603;1397721709;kakobrekla;Zero (0)
628604;1397721709;kakobrekla;Total Medium severity issues
628605;1397721709;kakobrekla;Four (4)
628606;1397721709;kakobrekla;Total Low severity issues
628607;1397721709;kakobrekla;Four (4)
628608;1397721785;kakobrekla;(to be taken with a grain of salt, excluding crypto parts !)
628609;1397721856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00499999 = 0.145 BTC [+]
628610;1397722073;Duffer1;!up b3nkay
628611;1397722073;assbot;Voicing b3nkay for 30 minutes.
628612;1397722092;Duffer1;sorry was afk
628613;1397722405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00096087 = 36.0807 BTC [+] {4} 
628614;1397723381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12796 @ 0.00095916 = 12.2734 BTC [-]
628615;1397725333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9227 @ 0.00095329 = 8.796 BTC [-]
628616;1397725709;mircea_popescu;benkay: wish i got to do not much ;) << the real mark of being rich.
628617;1397725883;kakobrekla;they why the fuck are you telling me the work is its own reward
628618;1397725884;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete yeah, and bitcoin forum investment always gets better, it never gets worse.
628619;1397725885;gribble;The operation succeeded.
628620;1397725890;kakobrekla;then*
628621;1397725893;mircea_popescu;o look who's here! yo kako!
628622;1397725898;kakobrekla;hi
628623;1397725910;fluffypony;mircea_popescu :)
628624;1397725916;mircea_popescu;ima go pick up mike and then have a drink with you two
628625;1397725929;mircea_popescu;mpoe-pr was saying she's gonna show up too
628626;1397725947;kakobrekla;when is this happening?
628627;1397725969;mircea_popescu;coupla hours.
628628;1397726006;kakobrekla;aha
628629;1397726013;mircea_popescu;gee, don't sound so excited :D
628630;1397726074;kakobrekla;lol well i have been in the bar now for some time, if you gonna be couple of hrs i might change my drinks.
628631;1397726111;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: well, its good in the sense they did open the bar, its bad that im alone :) << geeks. travel with girlfriend, to new town, still is alone. 4EVER ALONE!
628632;1397726120;kakobrekla;lol
628633;1397726130;kakobrekla;lampelina stayed at home. :|
628634;1397726146;mircea_popescu;lampelina any purses left in town or didja store them all in the hotel vault ?
628635;1397726148;mircea_popescu;ahahah what!
628636;1397726159;kakobrekla;lol
628637;1397726162;*;kakobrekla hides.
628638;1397726165;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla so go pick up someone.
628639;1397726179;kakobrekla;nah is no biggie, i like being alone really.
628640;1397726184;mircea_popescu;if all else fails, ask the reception desk for the massage salon and ask the girls there where they keep the girlfriends.
628641;1397726198;kakobrekla;lol
628642;1397726208;*;mircea_popescu was being serious that time.
628643;1397726222;kakobrekla;i know :|
628644;1397726225;kakobrekla;:D
628645;1397726261;mircea_popescu;well anyway, sucks, i was looking forward to meeting your other boss.
628646;1397726276;kakobrekla;lel
628647;1397726287;mircea_popescu;jurov: looks like not <<< he sounds.... disappointed ?!
628648;1397726287;kakobrekla;well you know you are welcome to visit .si
628649;1397726298;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i'll tell you honestly what happened.
628650;1397726304;mircea_popescu;i tried. like 5 times.
628651;1397726311;kakobrekla;liex
628652;1397726313;kakobrekla;lies
628653;1397726313;mircea_popescu;i keep ending up in austria, hungary, austria
628654;1397726316;kakobrekla;lol
628655;1397726318;mircea_popescu;it's like... uncanny
628656;1397726325;mircea_popescu;can't stop the car fast enough
628657;1397726326;kakobrekla;did ya miss the left turn?
628658;1397726364;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is isec
628659;1397726367;jurov;"looks like not" made impression i don't want to come?
628660;1397726370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00096205 = 12.1218 BTC [+]
628661;1397726375;mircea_popescu;also kakobrekla since you're alone and have internet, please work :D
628662;1397726391;mircea_popescu;jurov a no, just, made the impression you were hoping for something serious
628663;1397726397;jurov;lol
628664;1397726398;kakobrekla;i am! bbet banner is up, mails were replied to.
628665;1397726401;mircea_popescu;"maybe it's typhoid!"
628666;1397726409;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yay!
628667;1397726415;kakobrekla;;)
628668;1397726422;mircea_popescu;i guess you can have a new drink on me then :D
628669;1397726431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6721 @ 0.00096185 = 6.4646 BTC [-] {2} 
628670;1397726434;kakobrekla;ill take it!
628671;1397726452;jurov;and thx for the double room, but wao already made arrangements
628672;1397726457;mircea_popescu;anyway, going to get my cocked sucked, then get dressed, cya later all!
628673;1397726465;jurov;or maybe i'll abduct someone else >:]
628674;1397726476;kakobrekla;call me if im not in a hotel ill be near mircea_popescu
628675;1397726513;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla what, your cell works here ?
628676;1397726523;kakobrekla;it shouldnt?
628677;1397726545;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. anyway! laters.
628678;1397726556;kakobrekla;later
628679;1397726572;fluffypony;kakobrekla: I must've missed this, but where are you and what for?
628680;1397726614;jurov;http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition
628681;1397726615;ozbot;The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
628682;1397726620;jurov;fluffypony this ^
628683;1397726623;fluffypony;tks
628684;1397726626;jurov;i'm going too
628685;1397726634;kakobrekla;fluffypony in the bar, to have drinks.
628686;1397726676;jurov;1. drink 2. work 3. drink moar ... profit!
628687;1397727130;fluffypony;very cool
628688;1397727145;fluffypony;maybe next year the wife and I will go visit the in-laws in Germany and then come through for that
628689;1397727187;Naphex;pff
628690;1397727195;Naphex;hey mircea_popescu meeting is going on in timisoara?
628691;1397727238;kakobrekla;yes
628692;1397727258;*;fluffypony contemplates a Romanian holiday
628693;1397727314;Naphex;TM, is a 2 hour drive
628694;1397727321;Naphex;from here / Oradea
628695;1397727364;fluffypony;Naphex: what parts of Romania do you recommend seeing if we had to holiday there?
628696;1397727386;Naphex;fluffypony:  tbh no idea, i spend most my holidays going somewhere else :))
628697;1397727390;fluffypony;lol
628698;1397727397;fluffypony;come to South Africa on holiday
628699;1397727399;fluffypony;it's beautiful here
628700;1397727432;Naphex;hehe i bet :)
628701;1397727464;Naphex;there'se probably lots of stuff to visit, but i can't recommend much :) my last holiday in romania was when i was 13-14 or something
628702;1397727467;Naphex;like that
628703;1397727484;kakobrekla;romania reminds me of bosnia tbh.
628704;1397727495;kakobrekla;mp is gonna be mad when he reads this but its is what it is.
628705;1397727524;kakobrekla;all thats missing is bullet holes in the buildings
628706;1397727542;Naphex;well, atleast we got potholes
628707;1397727543;Naphex;to make it up
628708;1397727583;kakobrekla;a few years back there were still holes from grenades in sarajevo
628709;1397727585;kakobrekla;on the road.
628710;1397727600;kakobrekla;prolly fixed by now
628711;1397729017;kakobrekla;http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/cryptsy-in-disarray/2014/04/17
628712;1397729038;kakobrekla;another one bites the dust
628713;1397729076;fluffypony;kakobrekla: I think they're just on a dogecoin fork and are reloading the blockchain from scratch
628714;1397729100;kakobrekla;dogecoin eh
628715;1397729107;kakobrekla;so in the end its more trouble than its worth
628716;1397729120;kakobrekla;AMAZING JOB COMMUNITY
628717;1397729125;fluffypony;they've been on forks so often
628718;1397729147;fluffypony;when you've got an scrypt coin with the entire network hashrate of < 20mh/s it's a joke to end up on a fork
628719;1397729221;kakobrekla;dogecoin is 20mh ?
628720;1397729231;kakobrekla;how much gpus is that
628721;1397729254;kakobrekla;(i have no experience with scrypt)
628722;1397729268;fluffypony;no, it's not, but other coins are
628723;1397729272;fluffypony;dogecoin is reasonably large atm
628724;1397729282;kakobrekla;can we estimate gpu count?
628725;1397729293;fluffypony;"networkhashps" : 84463584340,
628726;1397729318;kakobrekla;how much scrypt hash does 500mhahs sha gpu make
628727;1397729331;kakobrekla;?
628728;1397729345;fluffypony;ok so the network hash is about 84gh/s atm
628729;1397729353;fluffypony;and a 7950 hashes at ~700kh/s
628730;1397729359;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 154 @ 0.00069772 = 0.1074 BTC [-] {2} 
628731;1397729391;kakobrekla;so are you saying theres 100k gpus mining this bullshit coin
628732;1397729419;fluffypony;yep
628733;1397729426;fluffypony;at least 120k
628734;1397729427;kakobrekla;zomg
628735;1397729436;fluffypony;(the 7950 is quite performant, there are people with older/slower cards)
628736;1397729498;kakobrekla;terrible
628737;1397729542;fluffypony;average card cost is like $200?
628738;1397729558;fluffypony;$24 000 000
628739;1397729561;kakobrekla;and burns 200w
628740;1397729601;HeySteve;hmm yeah mentioned cryptsy failing this morning
628741;1397729607;HeySteve;be interesting if it falls over
628742;1397729929;davout;kakobrekla: so you're already in timisoara ?
628743;1397729937;kakobrekla;since yesterday evening
628744;1397730022;kakobrekla;anyway , cant sit anymore, going for a walk
628745;1397730023;kakobrekla;later.
628746;1397730085;davout;hf!
628747;1397730102;davout;argh
628748;1397730110;davout;gonna rain this week end apparently
628749;1397730462;HeySteve;so the final ruling is expected in June huh?
628750;1397730470;HeySteve;I will let you guys know if it's accepted
628751;1397730582;HeySteve;oh wrong window :/
628752;1397731044;fluffypony;davout: is Instawallet indefinitely dead or are you still peripherally working on a resurrection?
628753;1397731067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00095288 = 5.8602 BTC [-]
628754;1397731104;davout;fluffypony: it's dead. i may at some point start working back on it, but it definitely won't be in the same form
628755;1397731143;davout;fluffypony: if it comes back it'll be some sort of lightweight version of blockchain.info, the URL would be the actual private key for the wallet
628756;1397731158;fluffypony;yeah I like the way blockchain handles things from that perspective
628757;1397731169;davout;but i can think of quite a few reasons why that would be a bad idea anyway
628758;1397731178;fluffypony;well it's a tough space
628759;1397731186;fluffypony;because anyone "in the know" won't use a webwallet
628760;1397731192;fluffypony;but there are tons of people who want to
628761;1397731194;davout;first reason: if the URL is your key, the server will hear about it
628762;1397731237;fluffypony;davout: BIP38 the key?
628763;1397731243;davout;i'm not really sure i want to promote web-based wallets anymore
628764;1397731243;fluffypony;on the client side, I mean
628765;1397731260;davout;yeah, that would be a solution
628766;1397731494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00095542 = 33.1531 BTC [+] {3} 
628767;1397732287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00095801 = 10.6818 BTC [+] {2} 
628768;1397733080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.000957 = 6.699 BTC [-]
628769;1397733751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0667999 = 0.2004 BTC [-]
628770;1397734056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00096035 = 15.3656 BTC [+]
628771;1397734178;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.50005304 = 3.5004 BTC [-] {6} 
628772;1397734727;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000659 = 0.1318 BTC [-] {4} 
628773;1397734849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8033 @ 0.00096139 = 7.7228 BTC [+] {2} 
628774;1397737777;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0655005 = 0.262 BTC [-] {3} 
628775;1397738570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26208 @ 0.00096374 = 25.2577 BTC [+] {5} 
628776;1397741949;fluffypony;!up mrstickball
628777;1397741949;assbot;Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
628778;1397742069;mrstickball;thanks
628779;1397742081;fluffypony;np
628780;1397742157;TestingUnoDosTre;.d
628781;1397742157;ozbot;6.120 billion | Next Diff in 23 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.0615% in 0d 3h 12m 49s
628782;1397742170;TestingUnoDosTre;Twenty tree blocks!
628783;1397742266;mrstickball;What supports S.MPOE's valuation? It looks like annual dividend is 1%, and there is no volume outside of S.MPOE itself
628784;1397742413;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05271665 = 0.3163 BTC [-] {6} 
628785;1397742706;TestingUnoDosTre;I've always wondered that myself. Perhaps the ability to grow?
628786;1397742716;TestingUnoDosTre;Pretty unique venue
628787;1397742819;mrstickball;That is a possibility, but again.. the dividends don't bear that out
628788;1397742828;mrstickball;1% APY since last year
628789;1397742833;TestingUnoDosTre;Methinks the best chance to gain a profit was purchasing at IPO
628790;1397742898;TestingUnoDosTre;Past years dividends don't reflect much on say the next 2 to 3 years though...
628791;1397742908;mrstickball;certainly, but why so much volume?
628792;1397742932;mrstickball;you're looking at >100 BTC volume in the past day
628793;1397742955;TestingUnoDosTre;It's probably the the only stock worth trading on MPOE
628794;1397742966;mrstickball;could be
628795;1397742975;mrstickball;why have they never listed other companies?
628796;1397742985;mrstickball;It seems like such an odd model compared to Havelock or Cryptostocks
628797;1397743003;TestingUnoDosTre;Both of those are outright fucked
628798;1397743035;mrstickball;Cryptostocks is, certainly
628799;1397743042;mrstickball;but my point was both try to list new companies
628800;1397743049;TestingUnoDosTre;Go to bitbet, search Havelock, and see how many people think it will last through november
628801;1397743068;pankkake;it has listed other companies
628802;1397743088;pankkake;http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/
628803;1397743089;ozbot;The list of discontinued assets on MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
628804;1397743246;mrstickball;They haven't listed any independent companies in a year if I am reading that right
628805;1397743257;fluffypony;mrstickball: can't comment on the accuracy/efficacy of this article, but here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108
628806;1397743273;pankkake;that seems to be the case
628807;1397743367;TestingUnoDosTre;I do think there was quite a bit of discontent with the satoshi dice closing
628808;1397743396;TestingUnoDosTre;But in all honesty, I haven't invested a satoshi in any of these businesses
628809;1397743426;mrstickball;right
628810;1397743434;mrstickball;I was just curious because the volume is so.... strange
628811;1397743450;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.053 = 0.583 BTC [-]
628812;1397743454;mrstickball;its easily the largest stock/entity of Bitcoin securities, but seems not to warrant it in my view
628813;1397743455;fluffypony;oh didn't realise, that article I linked to is by asciilifeform
628814;1397743464;mrstickball;but maybe those that invest in it have access to something I do not
628815;1397743468;mrstickball;hmm
628816;1397743471;mrstickball;interesting
628817;1397743476;fluffypony;who now works with MP on S.NSA
628818;1397743483;mrstickball;right
628819;1397743486;mrstickball;which is interesting
628820;1397743532;TestingUnoDosTre;Ascii is a chick?
628821;1397743572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.053 = 0.318 BTC [-]
628822;1397743590;fluffypony;no
628823;1397743609;TestingUnoDosTre;Also, would like to see how the volume changed if he opened entry fee to something like 5 btc
628824;1397743634;TestingUnoDosTre;Oh that's just a quote
628825;1397743634;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: you'd have a lot more nervous (dangerous) traders
628826;1397743645;fluffypony;imho
628827;1397743675;TestingUnoDosTre;But they would moat likely have a lot less capital to toss around
628828;1397743682;jurov;what's the problem with using broker?
628829;1397743684;fluffypony;besides, you can use CoinBr instead of paying the 30 BTC
628830;1397743698;fluffypony;https://coinbr.com/about
628831;1397743699;ozbot;About CoinBr
628832;1397743702;fluffypony;"Account management fee : 0.019 BTC monthly."
628833;1397743705;TestingUnoDosTre;The fees are more than I pay fidelity
628834;1397743708;fluffypony;"Buying/Selling/Option exercise fee : 0.5% from traded amount in BTC"
628835;1397743712;fluffypony;"BTC withdrawals and asset transfers : 0.02 BTC per."
628836;1397743729;mrstickball;I assume the 30 BTC is to provide some sort of barrier to prove sophistication
628837;1397743734;fluffypony;R100/month isn't bad for brokerage services
628838;1397743755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12549 @ 0.00096751 = 12.1413 BTC [+] {2} 
628839;1397743787;fluffypony;!up mrstickball
628840;1397743787;assbot;Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
628841;1397743796;mrstickball;thanks
628842;1397743812;mrstickball;I gotta pull out my gribble OTC keys from my old machine to get back in to the WOT
628843;1397743841;fluffypony;mrstickball: yes, if you've got the money and sense to invest and play with tens or hundreds of thousands of USD equivalent, the 30 BTC makes sure you know that it's serious
628844;1397743860;TestingUnoDosTre;And its also counterparty risk
628845;1397743930;TestingUnoDosTre;It's slightly ridiculous though. Last year, it cost approx 1/5 USD equivalent to join. Where's the added value?
628846;1397743952;*;fluffypony shrugs
628847;1397743976;fluffypony;it'll possibly be revisited at some point, but only MP can answer that
628848;1397744002;mrstickball;oh well
628849;1397744012;mrstickball;so what other exchanges are out there currently?
628850;1397744023;mrstickball;MPex, Havelock, Cryptostocks, Picostocks..?
628851;1397744039;jurov;and lulzbourse
628852;1397744043;pankkake;Crypto-Trade
628853;1397744066;fluffypony;jurov: when are we starting DogeBourse?
628854;1397744067;pankkake;(me saying that name is not an endorsment far from it)
628855;1397744069;fluffypony;:-P
628856;1397744077;fluffypony;mrstickball: Litecoininvest
628857;1397744082;mrstickball;ah yeah
628858;1397744087;mrstickball;why'd I forget LTCI
628859;1397744092;pankkake;oh and CipherTrade is supposed to open one day
628860;1397744093;fluffypony;CipherTrade (lol)
628861;1397744098;*;fluffypony ^5 pankkake
628862;1397744100;fluffypony;you owe me a coke
628863;1397744178;fluffypony;mrstickball: http://trilema.com/2012/how-does-one-list-on-mpex/ <- if you read through that and the follow up BitBet article it gives pause...compare that to Moolah's IPO (on their blog) or the stringent "requirements" for listing on most exchanges
628864;1397744243;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2508 @ 0.00012011 = 0.3012 BTC [-] {2} 
628865;1397744268;mrstickball;I hear you
628866;1397744285;mrstickball;ATM, I am looking at what my fundraising options are
628867;1397744331;fluffypony;mrstickball: I've been thinking the same thing
628868;1397744335;TestingUnoDosTre;Personally, I would find a small group of people to invest initially before ipo ing on a public exchange
628869;1397744346;mrstickball;I already have a fair amount of backing
628870;1397744352;mrstickball;I want to make it larger.. a fair bit larger
628871;1397744360;fluffypony;I wonder how the Lending section on Bitcointalk would react to a LoC listing ala DeathAndTaxes?
628872;1397744371;TestingUnoDosTre;Well are you running and generating cash flow yet?
628873;1397744377;mrstickball;yes
628874;1397744381;mrstickball;$500,000 last year
628875;1397744386;mrstickball;$100,000/mo currently
628876;1397744401;mrstickball;just landed a contract with a US retailer to bring mining products to 3 dozen US stores
628877;1397744548;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-] {2} 
628878;1397744578;fluffypony;mrstickball: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114507.0
628879;1397744588;fluffypony;they also did subsequent LoCs for higher amounts
628880;1397744603;fluffypony;the latter ones are also very good templates for how to do a LoC
628881;1397744609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05125 = 0.1025 BTC [-] {2} 
628882;1397744621;mrstickball;interesting
628883;1397744623;fluffypony;and you don't need to give up equity for it unnecessarily
628884;1397744735;fluffypony;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141016.0
628885;1397744737;ozbot;[Funded] Tangible Cryptography LLC seeks LoC to expand working capital
628886;1397744747;TestingUnoDosTre;Got a website mrstickball? Would like to check out
628887;1397744754;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: buyahash.com
628888;1397744759;mrstickball;BuyAHash.com
628889;1397744773;mrstickball;We do a lot of mining business on EBay, Amazon, through the eStore
628890;1397744784;mrstickball;I also snagged a >$50,000 order from a major US computer retailer
628891;1397744807;mrstickball;so we're looking to work with them to put Bitcoin mining hardware in most states. I know our webstore needs a site revision (working on that currently)
628892;1397744888;TestingUnoDosTre;Don't care about aesthetics, not too much value to them
628893;1397744975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15095 @ 0.00096876 = 14.6234 BTC [+]
628894;1397745027;Duffer1;mrstickball are you Benny?
628895;1397745057;TestingUnoDosTre;This maybe a stupid question, but can those miners return a positive roi any more?
628896;1397745061;mrstickball;yes?
628897;1397745068;mrstickball;TestingUnoDosTre: which miners?
628898;1397745074;mrstickball;Grids? GPUs?
628899;1397745080;rithm;why anyone would still be stupid enough to buy mining contracts is beyond me
628900;1397745106;mrstickball;its a good racket for the people selling the contracts
628901;1397745114;rithm;yes. yes i know.
628902;1397745119;mrstickball;now, something can be said for BetaRigs contracts to IPOMiner
628903;1397745120;Duffer1;mrstickball are you not going to list on ciphertrade?
628904;1397745123;mrstickball;you can make a killing there if it works right
628905;1397745143;mrstickball;Duffer1: we likely are. However, it may be awhile before we can list due to some regulatory questions
628906;1397745153;Duffer1;i see
628907;1397745153;mrstickball;so I am simply shopping around and to educate myself further on options
628908;1397745165;fluffypony;Duffer1: we're also supposed to be an initial listing on CipherTrade
628909;1397745170;fluffypony;but I admit to a bit of cold feet
628910;1397745174;mrstickball;we're still committed to CT, but its always good to look around
628911;1397745179;mrstickball;CT will be great once its up
628912;1397745190;Duffer1;if it can get up
628913;1397745191;fluffypony;yeah I'm just nervous about the changes higher up
628914;1397745197;fluffypony;I had an agreement with Kate
628915;1397745205;mrstickball;Si will honor the agreement
628916;1397745205;fluffypony;and that agreement looks to have fallen away
628917;1397745207;mrstickball;and I can vouch for you
628918;1397745207;Duffer1;ciphermine shareholders are U-N-H-A-P-P-Y
628919;1397745216;fluffypony;mrstickball: I've been chatting to him about it
628920;1397745219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0665 = 0.5985 BTC [+]
628921;1397745225;mrstickball;unfortunately, Kate quasi-screwed everyone over
628922;1397745228;mrstickball;due to health
628923;1397745234;fluffypony;he's a nice fellow, I'm just letting sleeping dogs lie atm till I figure out my next move
628924;1397745237;mrstickball;all interactions I've had with Si are beyond fantastic
628925;1397745246;fluffypony;mrstickball: yeah I know it's not Kate's fault
628926;1397745251;mrstickball;if Si had been running CM from the get-go or CT from the get-go, there wouldn't be issues
628927;1397745255;*;fluffypony nods
628928;1397745256;fluffypony;I agree
628929;1397745264;Apocalyptic;Si ?
628930;1397745267;Duffer1;imo it is Kate's fault, or at least Kate's diseases fault
628931;1397745294;mrstickball;pretty much
628932;1397745304;mrstickball;Kate / lack of communication when everything went FUBAR
628933;1397745305;fluffypony;Duffer1: well there's a lot to be said for a succession plan
628934;1397745318;mrstickball;they are buying more rigs. I gotta deliver 40 Grids to them shortly w/ the voltage mods
628935;1397745320;Duffer1;ya would have been nice if there was one
628936;1397745321;mrstickball;so they do have working capital
628937;1397745332;mrstickball;Duffer1: I believe they about have that done now
628938;1397745463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00097057 = 18.9261 BTC [+] {2} 
628939;1397745487;Duffer1;is Kate bi-polar?
628940;1397745524;fluffypony;I have no idea, spoke to her on the phone a few times and she seemed quite nice
628941;1397745580;mrstickball;I wish I could tell you
628942;1397745597;mrstickball;for awhile, I thought Kate was Jon W's alter-ego or something, because they both disappeared at the same time
628943;1397745609;Duffer1;Jon W = Deprived?
628944;1397745650;fluffypony;!up mrstickball
628945;1397745650;assbot;Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
628946;1397745686;Duffer1;fluffypony what's your project that your listing?
628947;1397745701;fluffypony;Duffer1: OpenRigs
628948;1397745707;Duffer1;oh cool
628949;1397746422;mrstickball;Duffer1: yeah
628950;1397746428;mrstickball;sorry about the delayed response
628951;1397746442;Duffer1;no worries
628952;1397746446;mrstickball;Jon W and Kate disappeared nearly the same day as each other. Seemed odd
628953;1397746461;Duffer1;you're right, everyone suspects they're the same person
628954;1397746468;mrstickball;and I started thinking that Kate's last name was Wood, so maybe Jon W = Jon Wood
628955;1397746491;mrstickball;but all the digging I did for a Jon W turned up a securities guy that stepped in front of a bus and killed himself due to.......get this.........securities fraud
628956;1397746513;Duffer1;oh snap
628957;1397746516;Duffer1;how long ago?
628958;1397746522;mrstickball;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2411533/John-Wood-killed-motorway-hours-stand-trial-6-figure-fraud.html
628959;1397746523;ozbot;John Wood 'killed himself on motorway hours before he was due to stand trial for 6-figure fraud' | M
628960;1397746590;Duffer1;kate's dad?
628961;1397746596;mrstickball;I am trying to dig that up
628962;1397746603;mrstickball;I don't think there was any relation, AFAIK
628963;1397746699;mrstickball;so that was a dead end, at least from what I saw
628964;1397746744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00097078 = 13.2026 BTC [+] {2} 
628965;1397746888;TestingUnoDosTre;Holy shiy
628966;1397746954;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.msg5686030#msg5686030
628967;1397746956;ozbot;[BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS)
628968;1397747008;artifexd;mrstickball: Are the "in stock" statements on your site accurate?
628969;1397747038;mrstickball;they should be. Once in awhile there may be an item that has to be revised
628970;1397747044;mrstickball;due to selling out on Amazon, for example
628971;1397747049;mrstickball;which item are you looking at?
628972;1397747068;artifexd;The ice-fury usb is the one I had up when I asked
628973;1397747073;mrstickball;ah
628974;1397747077;mrstickball;yeah, we have about 60 in
628975;1397747253;Duffer1;unless someone took over the Deprived account the day of that John Ws demise then it's not the same person
628976;1397747281;fluffypony;maybe John K == Deprived
628977;1397747300;mrstickball;that'd also be interesting
628978;1397747330;mrstickball;Duffer1: right. I just thought it was unfathomably odd that there's a John W that killed himself due to fraud like that in a similar window of time
628979;1397747336;mrstickball;certainly a strange coincidence.
628980;1397747345;Duffer1;oh i agree
628981;1397747354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00097188 = 9.2329 BTC [+] {2} 
628982;1397747363;TestingUnoDosTre;Ok so that ice fury is for bitcoin right
628983;1397747391;artifexd;I imagine it would work with any sha256 coin.
628984;1397747401;fluffypony;mrstickball: well having spoken to Kate on the phone I can confirm she is female and British
628985;1397747420;Duffer1;female sounding hehe
628986;1397747423;fluffypony;hah hah
628987;1397747425;fluffypony;yes
628988;1397747434;fluffypony;a very effeminate Briton
628989;1397747453;TestingUnoDosTre;I've calculated 25 month to break even at current diff with no electricity costs
628990;1397747479;fluffypony;sounds about right
628991;1397747480;fluffypony;!up mrstickball
628992;1397747480;assbot;Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
628993;1397747482;artifexd;TestingUnoDosTre: That translates to effectively never
628994;1397747483;mrstickball;TestingUnoDosTre: on a Grid?
628995;1397747495;TestingUnoDosTre;For ice fury
628996;1397747500;TestingUnoDosTre;That's what I'm saying
628997;1397747511;mrstickball;ahh
628998;1397747514;TestingUnoDosTre;Isn't the inventory worthless?
628999;1397747523;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: I think the point is to mine, pay electricity out of pocket, and HODL until BTC has risen sufficiently to profit from it
629000;1397747531;mrstickball;Just about. The problem is that the factory sent them to me to liquidate them
629001;1397747534;artifexd;I am not aware of a single asic currently available that will ever make its money back.
629002;1397747539;mrstickball;I may drop the price a bunch and just throw 'em out
629003;1397747560;mrstickball;artifexd: they never will if you're looking at paying cash for them vs. buying BTC
629004;1397747561;fluffypony;you'd be surprised at the number of old BFL ASICs still selling on eBay
629005;1397747569;mrstickball;but I'd say the catch is if difficulty slows down, you'd be good
629006;1397747570;TestingUnoDosTre;I know that
629007;1397747572;artifexd;mrstickball: exactly
629008;1397747574;mrstickball;mining is a hedge against huge diff increases
629009;1397747585;TestingUnoDosTre;Opposite
629010;1397747597;mrstickball;if you weren't seeing 20% diff increases every 10-12 days... it'd be very easy to ROI. But the ASIC arms race is only now starting to slow
629011;1397747607;TestingUnoDosTre;Mining gets racked against huge diff increase
629012;1397747643;artifexd;AM almost has gen 3 ready so the difficulty will probably start spiking again in a month or two.
629013;1397747647;fluffypony;yeah
629014;1397747658;Duffer1;!up mircea_popescu
629015;1397747658;assbot;Voicing mircea_popescu for 30 minutes.
629016;1397747663;fluffypony;but they are going to reach the limits of easily accessible fab, right
629017;1397747671;nubbins`;hi
629018;1397747671;fluffypony;so then they'll have to focus on power efficiency or whatever
629019;1397747672;mrstickball;yeah
629020;1397747675;mrstickball;they are just about there
629021;1397747680;artifexd;mircea_popescu`: I was too slow
629022;1397747689;mrstickball;110nm -> 55nm is huge
629023;1397747690;nubbins`;artifexd: see hostname ;(
629024;1397747697;mrstickball;55nm -> 28nm is also huge
629025;1397747702;fluffypony;yep
629026;1397747706;mrstickball;but anything sub-28nm isn't going to be as large
629027;1397747707;artifexd;!up mircea_popescu`
629028;1397747707;assbot;Voicing mircea_popescu` for 30 minutes.
629029;1397747710;TestingUnoDosTre;Even with a 10 percent diff increase, diff doubles every 7 to 8 months
629030;1397747710;mircea_popescu`;o hay
629031;1397747715;mrstickball;and if you look, daily diff changes are a lot lower
629032;1397747724;mrstickball;yeah. Its still a bad proposition
629033;1397747858;TestingUnoDosTre;Daily diff change?
629034;1397747902;mrstickball;yeah
629035;1397747903;TestingUnoDosTre;So do you have to pay for the miners, or do you just get commission?
629036;1397747905;mrstickball;let me find the chart
629037;1397747913;mrstickball;on this batch of Ice furies, its commission
629038;1397747926;mrstickball;but that is literally the only line of products I've done commission on
629039;1397747934;mrstickball;rest I own outright including the 500 Grids in front of me
629040;1397747992;artifexd;Scrypt asics?
629041;1397747994;mircea_popescu`;aite, that's all for now :) laters all.
629042;1397747997;mrstickball;yeah
629043;1397748018;benkay;have fun confrees
629044;1397748025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05341666 = 0.1068 BTC [+] {2} 
629045;1397748047;TestingUnoDosTre;I don't understand what you mean by daily diff change? Hashrate increase?
629046;1397748053;nubbins`;ugh, cavirtex now requires verification of bank accounts
629047;1397748055;mrstickball;yeah
629048;1397748057;mrstickball;let me pull the chart
629049;1397748086;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.49500074 = 1.98 BTC [-] {3} 
629050;1397748121;fluffypony;nubbins`: easily, or crazy-documentation-required?
629051;1397748139;nubbins`;easily, but an unexpected speed bump
629052;1397748363;benkay;nubbins`: you're trading with those criminals?
629053;1397748374;nubbins`;well, apparently not ;D
629054;1397748407;mrstickball;http://bitmine.ch/growth.png
629055;1397748407;nubbins`;needed to turn some btc into CAD sorta quickly
629056;1397748411;mrstickball;that was the chart I was looking at
629057;1397748539;TestingUnoDosTre;Kinda retarded here, but how does a network hashrate increase change my ability to find a block at constant diff? Does it drop linearly with hashrate increase?
629058;1397748590;mrstickball;it doesn't affect it until the difficulty change
629059;1397748604;mrstickball;otherwise, it drops with the difficulty increase
629060;1397748681;TestingUnoDosTre;So how is mining a hedge against diff increase?
629061;1397748728;mrstickball;its a hedge against the belief it increases
629062;1397748739;mrstickball;e.g. if it doesn't increase, you mine more, and make money back faster
629063;1397748774;mrstickball;for example.. if you spent $2,000 on a mining rig in April 2013 and $2000 on LTC, and did a buy & hold until, say... December... the rig would have returned far more
629064;1397748798;mrstickball;because difficulty did not increase between June and October
629065;1397748804;TestingUnoDosTre;Let's talk about btc here
629066;1397748814;TestingUnoDosTre;Where difficulty increases
629067;1397748831;mrstickball;right
629068;1397748834;TestingUnoDosTre;Because it's quite the opposite
629069;1397748925;mrstickball;again, the issue is with the declining diff increases
629070;1397748936;mrstickball;as per the chart I showed you, there's been a steady reduction since the peak in September
629071;1397748939;mrstickball;from 3% daily to 1% daily
629072;1397748940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00097346 = 17.717 BTC [+]
629073;1397748944;TestingUnoDosTre;If I buy a miner, expecting to roi in 180 days at constant diff, even with electricity. Costs factored in, I'm fucked
629074;1397748996;TestingUnoDosTre;But that's a decline on daily diff increases, not diff increases
629075;1397749013;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre
629076;1397749016;TestingUnoDosTre;Just means the diff increase are tapering off
629077;1397749018;fluffypony;how are you calculating ROI?
629078;1397749033;TestingUnoDosTre;Let's say you have USD today
629079;1397749052;TestingUnoDosTre;Question is-  purchase btc, or purchase rig
629080;1397749063;benkay;btc
629081;1397749065;fluffypony;btc
629082;1397749066;fluffypony;always
629083;1397749072;TestingUnoDosTre;No shit
629084;1397749080;TestingUnoDosTre;So who is buying his rigs?
629085;1397749082;benkay;unless you're buying in bulk and getting a great deal net 30 on delivery mining's a scam.
629086;1397749154;fluffypony;benkay: the other exception I've seen is with GPU rigs mining profitable altcoins, as theres always a new pump-and-dump "ASIC-resistant" scamcoin being touted. drive them hard for 2-3 years or until unprofitable, and then part out the equipment to gamers
629087;1397749160;fluffypony;you can't do that with ASICs
629088;1397749168;nubbins`;benkay +1
629089;1397749174;TestingUnoDosTre;The guy has a business selling rigs that will never roi have a remote chance of roi. You're never going to build a returning customer base
629090;1397749182;benkay;if you're selling mining chips to gamers you're a scammer too.
629091;1397749201;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: you understand that not every miner wants profitability, right?
629092;1397749202;nubbins`;if that's your exit strategy, you should probably reconsider as well
629093;1397749232;nubbins`;"for sale: year-old gfx card, partially melted"
629094;1397749252;TestingUnoDosTre;Please explain fluff.
629095;1397749259;fluffypony;nubbins`: "just like new except very dusty and with a few blown caps, balance of warranty (1 month left)"
629096;1397749276;TestingUnoDosTre;And don't use the whole securing the network argument
629097;1397749277;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: Dogecoin has this "join the Doge Defense Force" thing where people mine with their cards when they're not playing games or whatever to strengthen the network
629098;1397749293;nubbins`;blown caps are where it's at
629099;1397749305;fluffypony;you'd be surprised at how altruistic the individual miner is
629100;1397749305;TestingUnoDosTre;I don't want to hear about shitcoins
629101;1397749323;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: ok so then take the Jalapeno as an example
629102;1397749330;TestingUnoDosTre;Mkay
629103;1397749343;fluffypony;it was marketed as a coffee cup warmer
629104;1397749347;fluffypony;final product not so much
629105;1397749348;benkay;fluffypony re doge defense forces if one must manipulate psychology to deliver hashpower one's doing it entirely wrong.
629106;1397749365;fluffypony;but there are tons of people in the mining community that are casual miner
629107;1397749367;fluffypony;*miners
629108;1397749383;fluffypony;they bought a Jalapeno, mined for a bit, flipped it on eBay or turned it off when it was no longer covering electricity
629109;1397749390;benkay;they don't matter or count.
629110;1397749401;benkay;the only ones who do are the large farms.
629111;1397749402;fluffypony;some of them went from that to a USB Block Erupter
629112;1397749404;TestingUnoDosTre;Casual miners aka people who casually flush money or btc down toilet?
629113;1397749408;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: exactly
629114;1397749419;fluffypony;benkay: contextually we're talking about buyahash's market
629115;1397749421;fluffypony;and whether it's a scam
629116;1397749423;fluffypony;!up mrstickball
629117;1397749423;assbot;Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
629118;1397749445;fluffypony;my argument is that it's not, as the audience is the casual miner
629119;1397749449;TestingUnoDosTre;Its not a scam as much as a questionable business venture
629120;1397749449;fluffypony;not the large farms
629121;1397749471;benkay;it's just pmb turds in a fancy css wrapper
629122;1397749489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00097347 = 3.7965 BTC [+] {2} 
629123;1397749501;TestingUnoDosTre;Casual miners or people who have just heard about btc and never tried mining before?
629124;1397749505;benkay;o wait this isn't the exchange thinger?
629125;1397749505;fluffypony;we could argue that any ASIC manufacturer is a questionable business venture :-P
629126;1397749509;fluffypony;benkay: no
629127;1397749515;fluffypony;benkay: buyahash.com
629128;1397749540;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: yeah, it's people who hear about it and decide to spend a few hundred Dollars *max* on playing around with mining
629129;1397749564;benkay;who cares?
629130;1397749564;fluffypony;or a few thousand if they're particularly confident in it
629131;1397749576;fluffypony;benkay: TestingUnoDosTre does :)
629132;1397749577;TestingUnoDosTre;What about knc.  Coulnt their product have actually worked out initially?
629133;1397749579;benkay;it's like that guy next to the important place with a cart full of cheaply made crap
629134;1397749594;benkay;"buy a souvenier! take home a bit of the sphinx!"
629135;1397749616;fluffypony;benkay: sure, and some people want to take home a bit of the sphinx, even if it's all an illusion
629136;1397749626;fluffypony;doesn't make the vendor questionable per se
629137;1397749627;TestingUnoDosTre;Except with that you might still have a positive memory of your trips to Egypt
629138;1397749662;benkay;except that the implication (never stated) of these asic vendors is that you might make some money with it.
629139;1397749722;fluffypony;I think the bottom line is that it's fallatious to fault a company that sees an opportunity to sell shovels in a gold rush
629140;1397749740;benkay;fellatious
629141;1397749747;TestingUnoDosTre;Well there's also an advantage to receiving bitcoin outside of an" established" exchange. I think this is somewhat true
629142;1397749754;fluffypony;mmmm fellatio
629143;1397749761;TestingUnoDosTre;Lol
629144;1397749773;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: true, but I doubt 95% of them even consider that
629145;1397749805;TestingUnoDosTre;It's totally analingus to invest in a company that behaves in such a manner
629146;1397749824;fluffypony;mmm anal lingus
629147;1397749841;fluffypony;no wonder everyone complains about mpex's porn chat, look at this conversation!
629148;1397749850;TestingUnoDosTre;Wish I could have found a way to swap that for analogous,  but not that quick on my feet
629149;1397749865;benkay;who's complaining?
629150;1397749876;TestingUnoDosTre;.bait
629151;1397749878;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ervrPG8Q1qcr2gxo1_500.jpg
629152;1397749882;benkay;oz's back!
629153;1397749889;benkay;lovely.
629154;1397749894;TestingUnoDosTre;Oz is amazing
629155;1397749894;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
629156;1397749924;fluffypony;benkay: benkay : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108
629157;1397749935;fluffypony;"Bitcoinner says: February 10, 2013 at 7:50 pm That stock exchange is horrible, the PR person on bitcointalk acts like a retard. They host porn on the same server they host the exchange from. STAY AWAY FROM THIS EXCHANGE!!!"
629158;1397749952;fluffypony;:-P
629159;1397749971;benkay;oh the forum
629160;1397749977;benkay;figured as much.
629161;1397750031;TestingUnoDosTre;It took me a while to realize the forum is %100 propaganda or regards. Even after I read that accounts could be purchased in bulk
629162;1397750038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00486684 = 0.1849 BTC [-] {4} 
629163;1397750044;TestingUnoDosTre;regards*
629164;1397750048;benkay;ah anyways yes some business-boats can float on the sea of lies that is the mining space.
629165;1397750053;TestingUnoDosTre;Fucking auto correct
629166;1397750078;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: every few weeks there's someone selling an aged forum account...ON the forum, and people complain about it and promptly are told that it's allowed
629167;1397750081;TestingUnoDosTre;Hoe about businesses upon businesses upon businesses?
629168;1397750084;benkay;perhaps even some btc can be extracted from the morons swimming in that sea.
629169;1397750107;fluffypony;getting paid for building the long con is a viable business model for the supplier
629170;1397750152;TestingUnoDosTre;Yes, it's going to be sad when some of the big ones start to fall
629171;1397750176;TestingUnoDosTre;Lots of trust out the door. Probably cheap coins for sale though
629172;1397750210;benkay;who are these big ones, TestingUnoDosTre ?
629173;1397750221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00097303 = 10.9466 BTC [-]
629174;1397750239;TestingUnoDosTre;Bitstamp, btc, havelock,  etc
629175;1397750246;TestingUnoDosTre;Btce
629176;1397750259;fluffypony;I don't think they're all inherently scammy by default
629177;1397750259;benkay;it's just a damn fog of scam out there
629178;1397750274;fluffypony;btc-e are an interesting one
629179;1397750282;fluffypony;they've had plenty of opportunity to cut and run, but they don't
629180;1397750297;TestingUnoDosTre;Long live the long con
629181;1397750302;fluffypony;yeah but how long?
629182;1397750320;benkay;just about 7.5"
629183;1397750320;fluffypony;they've gotten more than enough volume, they won't get significantly more than they have, surely?
629184;1397750327;fluffypony;benkay: not bad
629185;1397750336;*;fluffypony gets a ruler
629186;1397750338;TestingUnoDosTre;How about all the wallet software out there. That will shake some confidence
629187;1397750366;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: web wallets or actual wallets?
629188;1397750388;TestingUnoDosTre;Not worried about actual ones of course
629189;1397750404;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.46002048 BTC to 8`421 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
629190;1397750408;*;fluffypony shrugs
629191;1397750421;fluffypony;Blockchain's wallet seems to be about the biggest
629192;1397750436;fluffypony;them and StrongCoin
629193;1397750452;TestingUnoDosTre;How about smartphone stuff.  How big are those?
629194;1397750466;benkay;pennies
629195;1397750549;TestingUnoDosTre;What about pennies?
629196;1397750568;benkay;that's what's in the btc smartphone market.
629197;1397750628;TestingUnoDosTre;Ah
629198;1397751205;TestingUnoDosTre;How much money do you think the bitcoin atm business is worth? Very hard for me to judge
629199;1397751256;benkay;selling 'em appears to work.
629200;1397751256;fluffypony;no clue
629201;1397751267;benkay;nobody seems to have done the hard numbers on foot traffic for the operator.
629202;1397751268;fluffypony;everyone raves about how many Bitcoin ATMs there are and that are coming
629203;1397751274;fluffypony;and then the next post is about how difficult they are to use
629204;1397751322;fluffypony;!up mrstickball
629205;1397751322;assbot;Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
629206;1397751331;mrstickball;what's the cost right now on an ATM?
629207;1397751339;fluffypony;http://www.dailydot.com/politics/alexis-ohanian-reddit-technology-banned-words/
629208;1397751339;mrstickball;I am thinking of putting one in a PC retail store
629209;1397751339;ozbot;Reddit cofounder drops r/technology mod status after censorship drama
629210;1397751373;benkay;mrstickball: 1kusd give or take
629211;1397751378;mrstickball;nice
629212;1397751389;TestingUnoDosTre;I though it was more like 10
629213;1397751394;mrstickball;I assumed 10
629214;1397751429;TestingUnoDosTre;Also, I thought you had to register as a money transmitter in US
629215;1397751471;mrstickball;ahhh
629216;1397751480;mrstickball;as the ATM owner/operator?
629217;1397751483;benkay;there are a million reasons to avoid the atm's
629218;1397751494;mrstickball;benkay: it'd be interesting
629219;1397751511;mrstickball;the reason I ask is due to my contract with a major US PC retailer that wants to sell bitcoin/litecoin products
629220;1397751522;mrstickball;my thought is to do a mining kiosk / ATM in each store
629221;1397751523;benkay;;;gettrust mrstickball
629222;1397751524;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul  5 18:09:54 2013
629223;1397751542;mrstickball;benkay: I gotta re-download my wallet to auth with Gribble. If you give me maybe 2hrs, I can re-auth
629224;1397751559;TestingUnoDosTre;Curious to ask. Anyone ever tried trading bitcoins for cash in an airport, or is that asking for trouble?
629225;1397751564;benkay;i don't care, man.
629226;1397751571;mrstickball;airport? ha
629227;1397751577;mrstickball;I've done cash through mail though
629228;1397751578;mrstickball;felt strange
629229;1397751592;fluffypony;CIM?
629230;1397751593;fluffypony;:-P
629231;1397751595;TestingUnoDosTre;Seriously, I travel through airports frequently
629232;1397751596;fluffypony;!ud CIM
629233;1397751618;TestingUnoDosTre;!Up CIM
629234;1397751618;assbot;Voicing CIM for 30 minutes.
629235;1397751626;fluffypony;lol
629236;1397751626;fluffypony;no
629237;1397751631;benkay;;;ud cim
629238;1397751631;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CIM | Upload a picture of Cim. 2. cim. Cum In Mouth. Meaning ejaculation of the man's sperm into anothers mouth. This may or may not be followed by the swallowing ...
629239;1397751632;fluffypony;wasn't what I was trying to do
629240;1397751632;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: CIM
629241;1397751634;fluffypony;there we go
629242;1397751637;fluffypony;tks benkay
629243;1397751645;TestingUnoDosTre;Lol
629244;1397751678;TestingUnoDosTre;Cash through mail-  did you wait to send btc until cash was received?
629245;1397751691;cgcardona_;: has anyone actually used a btc atm? I've not used one yet. they didn't have any in SF before I left.
629246;1397751696;mrstickball;uh, yeah, TestingUnoDosTre
629247;1397751705;mrstickball;I knew the person. He needed BTC. He did CIM via express, got here OK
629248;1397751709;mrstickball;but I bet I'm on a government list now
629249;1397751714;mrstickball;I told him to do a cashiers check
629250;1397751716;TestingUnoDosTre;Lol
629251;1397751728;nubbins`;;;ud cim
629252;1397751728;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CIM | Upload a picture of Cim. 2. cim. Cum In Mouth. Meaning ejaculation of the man's sperm into anothers mouth. This may or may not be followed by the swallowing ...
629253;1397751729;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: CIM
629254;1397751734;mrstickball;and all of a sudden, I find a swelling padded mailer with a few K in it
629255;1397751769;mrstickball;lol
629256;1397751794;TestingUnoDosTre;Did you inspect all the bills?
629257;1397751886;cgcardona_;What's the general consensus on Ethereum? Something to watch or crapcoin?
629258;1397751908;benkay;scam.
629259;1397751919;mrstickball;there are so many weird coins out
629260;1397751927;mrstickball;would be worth looking
629261;1397751929;cgcardona_;I'm really just looking in to it recently . Can you elaborate benkay ?
629262;1397751946;fluffypony;cgcardona_: benkay is a bot, he says that as a response to a mention of any altcoin
629263;1397751955;fluffypony;eg. ponycoin?
629264;1397751982;mrstickball;DOGECoin?
629265;1397751995;fluffypony;benkay: ^^^
629266;1397752014;benkay;look
629267;1397752017;benkay;i am a purchaser of compute
629268;1397752025;benkay;i am not paying per operation.
629269;1397752035;benkay;i am not running on your distributed compute network.
629270;1397752050;benkay;i am leasing a fucking processor with some fucking ram and running some calculations.
629271;1397752070;benkay;distributed autonomous corporations are the pipe dream of nerds who've never incorporated or run any business.
629272;1397752079;pankkake;fluffypony: actually, I made a bot a few months earlier.
629273;1397752081;pankkake;!up pircea_momescu
629274;1397752081;assbot;Voicing pircea_momescu for 30 minutes.
629275;1397752090;pankkake;is ethereum a scam?
629276;1397752090;pircea_momescu;pankkake ethereum is a scam !
629277;1397752095;fluffypony;lol
629278;1397752099;TestingUnoDosTre;What's your take on auroracoin benkay. Scamcoin or. ... nevermind
629279;1397752106;fluffypony;ethereum is amazing!
629280;1397752106;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
629281;1397752109;*;fluffypony hugs assbot
629282;1397752140;fluffypony;pankkake: that's awesome, it should stay in chan
629283;1397752157;TestingUnoDosTre;What does ethereum actually do? Has anyone seen a result compared to promises?
629284;1397752175;benkay;that's a good basis point for your analysis.
629285;1397752178;pankkake;it disconnects and never comes back, and it happens in the irc lib, and I never got around figuring why
629286;1397752182;cgcardona_;i think they're just rolling out the testnet and even it is real buggy
629287;1397752198;benkay;billmoyers.com/2014/04/16/paul-krugman-why-we’re-in-a-new-gilded-age/
629288;1397752207;TestingUnoDosTre;And what's with the fake MPs today?
629289;1397752216;TestingUnoDosTre;Complete garbage
629290;1397752227;mrstickball;lol
629291;1397752229;mrstickball;Krugman
629292;1397752243;benkay;classic internet
629293;1397752245;benkay;don't read thing
629294;1397752247;fluffypony;I honestly haven't really looked at Ethereum
629295;1397752248;TestingUnoDosTre;Read a few paragraphs of that trash. Comments contained more resemblance of intelligence
629296;1397752248;benkay;just mock
629297;1397752260;fluffypony;but I agree with benkay
629298;1397752280;mrstickball;benkay: how often do you read Krugman?
629299;1397752288;benkay;mrstickball: let me know when you get to the part where krugman reviews a book someone else wrote.
629300;1397752302;fluffypony;you can run a business and burn all your creditors without complying with any rule ever and with nobody ever knowing your identity...that doesn't seem like a healthy starting point for a system
629301;1397752303;mrstickball;How much Krugman do you read?
629302;1397752309;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
629303;1397752309;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095214 / 0.00096064 / 0.00097418 (585642 shares, 562.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096309 / 0.00097649 (3444684 shares, 3,317.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00079813 / 0.00093513 / 0.00101 (22227685 shares, 20,785.78 BTC)
629304;1397752349;TestingUnoDosTre;That's the whole thing. Its a book review
629305;1397752369;fluffypony;so we should scroll straight to the comments and write "le bitcoin army is here!!!111one" ?
629306;1397752403;benkay;i guess in lieu of actual discussion that'll have to do.
629307;1397752405;TestingUnoDosTre;I used to read Krugman frequently like two or three years ago
629308;1397752437;TestingUnoDosTre;Have you read his thing on bitcoin?
629309;1397752438;benkay;cracks me up that y'all would rather harp on krugman than derp through his review of a book written by someone else.
629310;1397752453;mrstickball;he was praising it for its call to tax the rich more
629311;1397752454;fluffypony;benkay: don't have time to read it now, added it to my read later list
629312;1397752464;cgcardona_;DACs don't seem like a pipedream of geeks to me.
629313;1397752468;pankkake;http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af35/me_guns/krugman_cat.jpg
629314;1397752476;mrstickball;he's reviewing a book that takes a very dim view of economics which is typical for Keynesians
629315;1397752489;benkay;mrstickball: get past the krugman slant. let me know what you think about the book under review.
629316;1397752496;TestingUnoDosTre;I read it until I realized its an emotional appeal to socialism
629317;1397752518;mrstickball;the book is arguing a point without context
629318;1397752529;mrstickball;its arguing about economic inequality without looking at a lot of underlying factors
629319;1397752540;TestingUnoDosTre;I'll read the book. Love formatting my own opinion
629320;1397752545;mrstickball;you can't compare inequality from the 10s and 20s to today simply by looking at inequality x income
629321;1397752553;nubbins`;what format do you use for your opinions?
629322;1397752560;fluffypony;nubbins`: markdown
629323;1397752567;nubbins`;not bad
629324;1397752600;benkay;amateur
629325;1397752607;benkay;latex is for professional opinions.
629326;1397752617;benkay;mrstickball: what factors does it ignore?
629327;1397752628;mrstickball;regulatory atmosphere, primarily
629328;1397752654;nubbins`;but what's LaTeX for? ;(
629329;1397752666;mrstickball;he cites deregulation as a potential cause of inequality, yet the reality is the EXACT OPPOSITE
629330;1397752680;mrstickball;we have more regulations on our economy (and tax code) than at any point in history
629331;1397752680;benkay;that's quite a claim.
629332;1397752689;mrstickball;benkay: I can substantiate it easily
629333;1397752694;mrstickball;you want the US tax code by pages?
629334;1397752704;mrstickball;or would you prefer my compliance costs?
629335;1397752705;benkay;sounds a lot like correlation
629336;1397752708;benkay;and not a whit like causation
629337;1397752743;mrstickball;its a partial cause
629338;1397752756;mrstickball;when the average factory has $15,000 in compliance costs in the US, what do you think they do?
629339;1397752790;mrstickball;*$15,000 per person
629340;1397752797;benkay;how does that imply causation between higher regulatory burden and inequality?
629341;1397752806;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/cabbie-beaten-in-st-john-s-forefinger-and-thumb-severed-1.2611975
629342;1397752807;ozbot;Cabbie beaten in St. John's, forefinger and thumb severed - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
629343;1397752822;nubbins`;^ the attacker went to the same school as me for 9 years :0
629344;1397752839;mrstickball;regulatory burden ensures that larger businesses / those with access to more capital can reduce their burden and utilize economies of scale to leverage better positions against the small business and poor
629345;1397752857;TestingUnoDosTre;Here's the comment I liked" Second, they look at it from the US/European point of view. If you look at it from a global level, there is a lot less global inequality now than in the 50s and 60s. The income of Americans then was over 100 times greater than the Chinese. Now it is merely 6 times greater. 1,000,000,000 people have been lifted out of poverty into the middle class in the last 15 years. That is more than
629346;1397752876;benkay;ah the ol' regulation lays most heavily on those unable to escape it
629347;1397752884;benkay;i for one don't care about inequality
629348;1397752892;mrstickball;benkay: What business do you run, and tell me about your compliance department
629349;1397752893;benkay;seems like a thing largely out of the control of anyone
629350;1397752915;benkay;software
629351;1397752923;benkay;comply on taxes and employment
629352;1397752927;mrstickball;how much do you pay for HR and accounting?
629353;1397752937;benkay;none right now, sometime soon that'll change.
629354;1397752942;mrstickball;how many employees?
629355;1397752952;benkay;well accounting i do pay for
629356;1397752956;benkay;some thousands per year
629357;1397752966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00097303 = 9.5357 BTC [-]
629358;1397752970;benkay;can't say as that's any of your business, mrstickball .
629359;1397752982;mrstickball;benkay: it is since we're discussing regulatory environments
629360;1397753005;benkay;respond in two ways
629361;1397753009;benkay;as if i have 1 employee
629362;1397753012;benkay;and as if i have 20
629363;1397753013;mrstickball;if you're doing software, I'd ask how many people you have on 1099's vs. W4
629364;1397753023;mrstickball;since in software, you can contract more
629365;1397753059;mrstickball;because I co-own an analyst firm that contracts 100% of its employees. I also run a business that is looking to hire via W4. Different regulatory environment, as I have to pay a lot more in compliance for unemployment, workers comp, SS, ect
629366;1397753065;mrstickball;all adds to my cost of doing business
629367;1397753071;mrstickball;same thing with hardware/IP acquisitions
629368;1397753086;benkay;okay hey so a question
629369;1397753088;mrstickball;much easier to 1099 someone on a retail design via a 3rd party than it is to look at hiring an in-house artist
629370;1397753110;benkay;you don't go to sleep quaking in your boots about getting audited on your 1099's?
629371;1397753119;mrstickball;generally, no
629372;1397753139;TestingUnoDosTre;How much is workers comp in a software environment?
629373;1397753141;benkay;what do you do that insulates you from the employee/contractor confusion?
629374;1397753157;fluffypony;benkay
629375;1397753160;fluffypony;!up mrstickball
629376;1397753160;assbot;Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
629377;1397753167;mrstickball;I comply with state guidelines on contractors
629378;1397753175;mrstickball;e.g. work environment, scope of work, length of contract and so on
629379;1397753332;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012009 = 0.3603 BTC [-] {3} 
629380;1397753576;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05358 = 0.2143 BTC [+]
629381;1397753637;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.05359 = 1.0182 BTC [+]
629382;1397753646;benkay;defo prefer 1099's
629383;1397753656;numerisTrade;hello everyone
629384;1397753698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00097303 = 5.8382 BTC [-]
629385;1397753813;mrstickball;benkay: why is that? ... I'd argue because its so much easier and trouble-free as an employer
629386;1397753825;mrstickball;I can write someone a check and 1099-em at the end of year... No real compliance or paperwork
629387;1397753845;mrstickball;I wish all hiring was that easy. But its not, and that's why I think regulation/compliance is such a huge cogwheel in the American economy.
629388;1397753859;mrstickball;Because its so much easier to get someone in China to do work for me than it would be here at a factory
629389;1397753876;mrstickball;(and my wife is building a candle factory over the next few months, so I'm having to help her learn all the compliance steps)
629390;1397753892;benkay;banging atoms together as a business in the states is just horrid.
629391;1397753923;mrstickball;Its not fun in the least
629392;1397753933;mrstickball;so imagine what I've had to do for SEC compliance as a registered security
629393;1397753991;benkay;what's your company?
629394;1397754035;mrstickball;BuyAHash among others
629395;1397754067;cgcardona_;http://letstalkbitcoin.com/bitcoin-and-the-three-laws-of-robotics/#.U1AHcOZdVUV <--- interesting read comparing Bitcoin (big B) with DAC
629396;1397754067;ozbot;Bitcoin and the Three Laws of Robotics | Lets Talk Bitcoin
629397;1397754095;cgcardona_;^ that was supposed to read (big letterB)
629398;1397754190;benkay;haw funny, you mrstickball
629399;1397754194;benkay;what is this analysis company?
629400;1397754203;mrstickball;video game company
629401;1397754209;mrstickball;I've had to nearly back out of it due to BAH
629402;1397754219;benkay;specifics?
629403;1397754225;benkay;we get a lot of non-specific claims around here.
629404;1397754231;benkay;kinda allergic at this point.
629405;1397754240;mrstickball;We track video game sales for digital games
629406;1397754248;benkay;yes but what is your url
629407;1397754249;benkay;who are you
629408;1397754250;benkay;etc
629409;1397754250;mrstickball;then sell the charts to interested parties
629410;1397754265;mrstickball;http://analytics.fadellc.com/
629411;1397754266;ozbot;Fade - Digital download sales reports
629412;1397754345;benkay;http://fadellc.com/legal/
629413;1397754372;benkay;ouch
629414;1397754373;mrstickball;front end has had some issues due to WP
629415;1397754375;benkay;site's kinda broken
629416;1397754389;benkay;ouuuuch: http://fadellc.com/ios-reports-and-sales-data/
629417;1397754392;mrstickball;front end is. I have to work with our dev to get it working. Like I said, I've been too busy with BAH
629418;1397754420;benkay;wp, eh?
629419;1397754430;mrstickball;Whats the URL to your company, by the way?
629420;1397754457;benkay;needs moar css, clearly.
629421;1397754463;benkay;http://survantjames.com
629422;1397754487;mrstickball;neato
629423;1397754502;benkay;http://cascadianhacker.com/about.html
629424;1397754502;ozbot;About
629425;1397754528;benkay;let me know if you feel like throwing some money at fixing your site.
629426;1397754529;mrstickball;there you go
629427;1397754533;mrstickball;I may
629428;1397754537;mrstickball;what are your rates?
629429;1397754576;benkay;north of a hundred an hour
629430;1397754578;benkay;closing in on two
629431;1397754581;mrstickball;I wouldn't mind hiring someone to re-do BuyAHash and make it look a lot cleaner, but I'm unsure what the costs on that'd be for a full re-do of the frontend (the backend at least from my interactions are ok)
629432;1397754583;mrstickball;ah
629433;1397754597;benkay;fixed bid's another story, though.
629434;1397754635;benkay;you could get a lot done for 10k.
629435;1397754645;benkay;course, you could also hire someone across the ocean for 10/hr.
629436;1397754676;mrstickball;could
629437;1397754681;mrstickball;10k for BuyAHash?
629438;1397754684;mrstickball;or 10k for FADE?
629439;1397754686;benkay;i'm sure you understand the tradeoffs.
629440;1397754693;benkay;10k buys you a heck of a lot of css.
629441;1397754710;mrstickball;right
629442;1397754723;mrstickball;the backend of FADE is well over that
629443;1397754735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 78 @ 0.06690894 = 5.2189 BTC [+] {3} 
629444;1397754857;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06691 = 0.2676 BTC [+]
629445;1397754887;benkay;well if you're backing out of fade i can't really suggest you pour more money in
629446;1397754987;benkay;but that seems to be the one that needs the most work
629447;1397754992;fluffypony;!up mrstickball
629448;1397754992;assbot;Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
629449;1397755019;mrstickball;I can probably put a few hours in to get the WP frontend back up
629450;1397755028;benkay;haha
629451;1397755038;benkay;;;rate mrstickball 1 +v
629452;1397755040;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
629453;1397755050;benkay;wait hang on
629454;1397755052;benkay;;;unrate mrstickball
629455;1397755054;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for mrstickball.
629456;1397755061;benkay;i'm going to want to see you auth in
629457;1397755101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06691 = 1.2044 BTC [+]
629458;1397755238;mrstickball;yeah
629459;1397755240;mrstickball;give me awhile
629460;1397755248;mrstickball;I gotta re-download the blockchain on this new PC
629461;1397755323;benkay;you don't have to do that to auth
629462;1397755375;mrstickball;eh, guess I forgot that you can sign without getting the chain
629463;1397755376;fluffypony;you can sign a message before it's finished downloading, innit?
629464;1397755390;benkay;yup.
629465;1397755393;benkay;i mean
629466;1397755414;benkay;unless btc-qt is even more badly written than i imagined...
629467;1397755567;benkay;mrstickball: does it work?
629468;1397755909;cgcardona_;;;rate benkay 1 Seen often in #btc-assets. Runs http://survantjames.com/
629469;1397755910;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
629470;1397755987;benkay;ty cgcardona_
629471;1397755992;cgcardona_;np
629472;1397756012;cgcardona_;am checking out the cascadian hacker site now. nice work.
629473;1397756020;benkay;mindless blathering
629474;1397756025;cgcardona_;heh
629475;1397756027;benkay;just assume everything was written drunk
629476;1397756039;cgcardona_;I always do
629477;1397756054;benkay;you're free of course to put whatever you want in the rating field, but i'd prefer to have cascadianhacker.com in there than survantjames.com
629478;1397756062;cgcardona_;sure no prob
629479;1397756071;benkay;the former's vastly more relevant to the wot
629480;1397756078;benkay;again ty
629481;1397756080;benkay;;;rate cgcardona_ 1
629482;1397756081;artifexd;cgcardona_: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/09_bitcoiners-upset-at-apple-understand-neither-apples-business-model-nor-bitcoin.html <- my favorite benkay post
629483;1397756082;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cgcardona_ has been recorded.
629484;1397756083;cgcardona_;;;rate benkay 1 Seen often in #btc-assets. Runs http://cascadianhacker.com/
629485;1397756084;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user benkay has changed from 1 to 1.
629486;1397756099;fluffypony;artifexd: seconded
629487;1397756137;benkay;short and sweet.
629488;1397756140;benkay;gotta do more of 'em.
629489;1397756156;benkay;i'd like to do one on ethereum too
629490;1397756162;cgcardona_;i'd like to read that one.
629491;1397756179;benkay;a clean fry isn't enough, it needs to be reasoned.
629492;1397756187;benkay;that means i have to actually sink my head into ethereum.
629493;1397756189;benkay;fml.
629494;1397756231;cgcardona_;haha
629495;1397756239;fluffypony;hah
629496;1397756262;TestingUnoDosTre;Benkay,  are you cascadianhacker
629497;1397756275;fluffypony;;;rate benkay 1 best ben on freenode
629498;1397756276;TestingUnoDosTre;Nvm
629499;1397756277;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
629500;1397756283;jurov;benkay: in what stage ethereum actually is?
629501;1397756294;TestingUnoDosTre;Pre alpha
629502;1397756297;jurov;anything usable yet?
629503;1397756341;jurov;!up mjr_
629504;1397756341;assbot;Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
629505;1397756365;cgcardona_;i've only just started reading about it but it seems like they are just launching a buggy testnet
629506;1397756382;benkay;i hear buggy testnet
629507;1397756530;TestingUnoDosTre;Oh my statute of limitations. That's refuckingdiculous
629508;1397756612;fluffypony;BingoBoingo:)
629509;1397756916;BingoBoingo;!up mrstickball
629510;1397756916;assbot;Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
629511;1397756936;BingoBoingo;!down mrstickball
629512;1397756980;cgcardona_;;;rate danielpbarron 1 #btc-assets
629513;1397756982;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
629514;1397756992;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0666 = 0.1998 BTC [-]
629515;1397757265;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=473710.msg6269549#msg6269549 … and now he edited them
629516;1397757266;ozbot;[QUINTO] IPO on cryptostocks
629517;1397757315;TestingUnoDosTre;Lol
629518;1397757344;pankkake;it's funny what you can uncover through forgotten metadata
629519;1397757617;benkay;http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=206567
629520;1397757617;ozbot;Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
629521;1397757620;benkay;!up mrstickball
629522;1397757620;assbot;Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
629523;1397757639;benkay;mrstickball: have you succeeded in signing a thing with your btc addr or shall we assume you to be an impostor?
629524;1397757651;mrstickball;was out to lunch. Let me get my wallet from my old PC
629525;1397757746;pankkake;benkay: WTF?!
629526;1397757755;TestingUnoDosTre;What was with the fake MPs in here today
629527;1397757826;benkay;pretty wild, eh pankkake ?
629528;1397757964;benkay;i can't tell if it's actual antisemitism or 'join us or else the jooz die' antisemitism
629529;1397757966;benkay;much fog of war
629530;1397758009;pankkake;it's probably a jew conspiracy, in both cases
629531;1397758020;TestingUnoDosTre;Lol
629532;1397758045;TestingUnoDosTre;Jewspiracy
629533;1397758071;TestingUnoDosTre;Only worse thing is... witchcraft!
629534;1397758105;benkay;errybody just jealous of 6 millenia of selection pressure
629535;1397758122;TestingUnoDosTre;Did you see that pircea_momescu left. What's with that shit
629536;1397758140;pankkake;TestingUnoDosTre: it's my joke bot. what other fake MPs are you talking about?
629537;1397758150;TestingUnoDosTre;!Up mrstickball
629538;1397758150;assbot;Voice for mrstickball extended to 30 minutes.
629539;1397758152;pankkake;besides the ones trolling Legitimate Companies on Bitcointalk
629540;1397758167;pankkake;;;gettrust mrstickball
629541;1397758167;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user pankkake to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pankkake&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul  5 18:09:54 2013
629542;1397758171;TestingUnoDosTre;There was one mircea_popescu'  earlier
629543;1397758202;pankkake;;;rate mrstickball runs Buy-A-Hash (I was formerly invested)
629544;1397758203;gribble;Error: 'runs' is not a valid integer.
629545;1397758208;pankkake;;;rate mrstickball 1 runs Buy-A-Hash (I was formerly invested)
629546;1397758209;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
629547;1397758217;pankkake;you can !up yourself now
629548;1397758225;mrstickball;trying to find my OTC address to sign myself in for Gribble
629549;1397758233;pankkake;ahah
629550;1397758235;TestingUnoDosTre;Buy a hash sounds like a good cannabis company too
629551;1397758242;mrstickball;it does
629552;1397758259;TestingUnoDosTre;Are you Mrs tick ball?
629553;1397758277;mrstickball;not quite
629554;1397758279;pankkake;gpu mining and cultivating cannabis looks the same for the power company
629555;1397758300;TestingUnoDosTre;So true. Apparently they tried to bust some miner
629556;1397758310;mrstickball;odd. When I imported this wallet, I fail to see any addresses that I've used previously
629557;1397758317;mrstickball;do they only populate once the blockchain syncs up?
629558;1397758340;TestingUnoDosTre;!Down mrstickball
629559;1397758366;TestingUnoDosTre;Meh
629560;1397758371;pankkake;the few times I imported private keys, I've had to restart the client for it to show up
629561;1397758377;pankkake;in the GUI
629562;1397758401;TestingUnoDosTre;Did that work there? Didn't see an assbot response
629563;1397758414;pankkake;lowercase D
629564;1397758426;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: why are you muting mrstickball ?
629565;1397758436;TestingUnoDosTre;Power trip
629566;1397758441;benkay;ah
629567;1397758466;benkay;let the man work through his wallet issues, eh?
629568;1397758474;benkay;might even get some help
629569;1397758495;mrstickball;Gribble is being a pain
629570;1397758527;mrstickball;the last client I had was 0.8.5 and they changed the UI significantly. I found the OTC address.. now just to get Gribble to verify it which its being a pain
629571;1397758636;TestingUnoDosTre;Do miners take a while to shut off old rigs after diff change, or are they usually ahead of the curve?
629572;1397758645;mrstickball;!gettrust Mrstickball
629573;1397758655;mrstickball;;;gettrust Mrstickball
629574;1397758656;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eektlejeeyngkrhe. Trust relationship from user Mrstickball to user Mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Mrstickball&dest=Mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul  5 18:09:54 2013
629575;1397758662;mrstickball;there
629576;1397758667;benkay;;;rate mrstickball 1 +v
629577;1397758668;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
629578;1397758681;mrstickball;so much harder when you haven't authed with Gribble in a few hundred days..
629579;1397758697;benkay;you'll probably want to gpg up
629580;1397758701;TestingUnoDosTre;Gribbles being a cranky hitch today
629581;1397758717;mrstickball;gotta import my GPG keys from my old PC first
629582;1397758721;pankkake;I wrote a script to make it less of a pain, but it's still an annoying process
629583;1397758727;mrstickball;no, its my fault on not having all the stuff handy on my new PC
629584;1397758744;benkay;well, you were caught with your pants down with this voice stuff
629585;1397758747;mrstickball;new wallet client + new PC + remembering how to properly auth after 200 days of absence
629586;1397758846;pankkake;http://pastebin.com/sHftSFsQ quick and dirty
629587;1397758846;ozbot;#/bin/bash -eu  echo "gpg eauth ${USER}"  echo ";;gpg eauth ${USER}"|xclip -i - Pastebin.com
629588;1397759005;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0669675 = 0.7366 BTC [+]
629589;1397759039;TestingUnoDosTre;;;google xclip command
629590;1397759040;gribble;xclip: Command-Line Clipboard - ServerWatch: <http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3826261/xclip-CommandLine-Clipboard.htm>; AutoCAD 2010 User Documentation: XCLIP - Autodesk: <http://docs.autodesk.com/ACD/2010/ENU/AutoCAD%202010%20User%20Documentation/files/WS1a9193826455f5ffa23ce210c4a30acaf-5207.htm>; Copy Shell Prompt Output To Linux / UNIX X Clipboard (1 more message)
629591;1397759249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
629592;1397759288;numerisTrade;;;rate BingoBoingo 1 one bet settled + he runs thedrinkingrecord.com
629593;1397759289;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
629594;1397759315;TestingUnoDosTre;What did you guys bet on?
629595;1397759332;numerisTrade;Copa del Rey, soccer
629596;1397759441;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: We tried an unescrowed bet, it worked
629597;1397759456;TestingUnoDosTre;Oooh
629598;1397759475;numerisTrade;well, yeah, that would be more precise
629599;1397759498;TestingUnoDosTre;Just curious,  did bitbet offer bets without timeweight in the past?
629600;1397759540;TestingUnoDosTre;Numeristrade, you answered my question
629601;1397759544;jurov;no afaik it was same from beginning
629602;1397759577;jurov;but you can make bet without weight by setting end weight to 100000
629603;1397759583;BingoBoingo;Yeah
629604;1397759647;numerisTrade;the content of the bet was of secondary importance, the most important part was it being unescrowed
629605;1397759676;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0669675 = 0.6697 BTC [+]
629606;1397759677;TestingUnoDosTre;Other thing I wanted to do was to lower the initial timeweight in attempt to make it jump discretely
629607;1397759686;TestingUnoDosTre;Sadly, not an option
629608;1397759698;jurov;why?
629609;1397759737;TestingUnoDosTre;My thoughts were this. Enter a European call option, a la bitcoin trade at or above 600 on June 1
629610;1397759770;TestingUnoDosTre;Allow for like one or two weeks of betting and close the bet early
629611;1397759798;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669675 = 0.1339 BTC [+]
629612;1397759799;TestingUnoDosTre;Try and sell timeweight shares as price jumps up and down
629613;1397759845;TestingUnoDosTre;Thought it would be neat if the timeweight started at like 7, then ticked down one each day
629614;1397759993;TestingUnoDosTre;Discrete isn't really needed though
629615;1397760040;TestingUnoDosTre;Could accomplish what I was saying with the continuous
629616;1397760111;TestingUnoDosTre;Does what I'm saying make sense though?
629617;1397760113;fluffypony;;;rate mrstickball 4 a fantastic human being who happens to run Buy-A-Hash
629618;1397760115;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 4 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
629619;1397760225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7383 @ 0.00097145 = 7.1722 BTC [-]
629620;1397760408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 400 @ 0.14 = 56 BTC
629621;1397760418;TestingUnoDosTre;Any thoughts on my proposal?
629622;1397760620;cgcardona_;;;rate BingoBoingo 1 Vanity wallet 1LvCunts… FTW
629623;1397760621;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
629624;1397760858;davout;so apparently localbitcoins got surprise butsecks'd
629625;1397760966;numerisTrade;TestingUnoDosTre, what would be the purpose of such bet construction?
629626;1397760992;fluffypony;davout: I'll fathom that they had logins etc. scraped when they were Heartbleed vulnerable, and the attackers waited till now to use them
629627;1397761030;davout;fluffypony: i doubt hb has been actively exploited in the wild, can be wrong tho
629628;1397761033;TestingUnoDosTre;I would initially gage an option, bet on it, then sell off some of it to lock in profit
629629;1397761039;fluffypony;davout: XSS then?
629630;1397761052;davout;also ppl seem to report changing passwords after hb and still being impacted
629631;1397761066;TestingUnoDosTre;Surprise buttsexed.  How so?
629632;1397761078;davout;fluffypony: xss/csrf would be easy to detect by someone with a simple tool such as firebug
629633;1397761087;davout;looks more like it's server-side
629634;1397761091;fluffypony;true
629635;1397761099;davout;TestingUnoDosTre: like in the butt, by surprise
629636;1397761130;TestingUnoDosTre;But what happened-  got an article?
629637;1397761161;TestingUnoDosTre;I was thinking of beginning to use the service, to get off the exchanges
629638;1397761164;davout;TestingUnoDosTre: www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23a26k/breaking_remove_your_btc_from_localbitcoins/
629639;1397761176;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: if you don't mind reading something written by a 15 year old, http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/reports-localbitcoins-funds-missing/2014/04/17
629640;1397761186;TestingUnoDosTre;Lol
629641;1397761198;fluffypony;I'm not joking, he's 15 - http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/busterroni
629642;1397761198;TestingUnoDosTre;As long as he is respectable
629643;1397761238;artifexd;Blockchain.info bought bitcoin.com?
629644;1397761257;TestingUnoDosTre;Wait, you have yo deposit bitcoins with them? What in the fuck
629645;1397761280;fluffypony;artifexd: 5 year agreement
629646;1397761296;davout;bitcoin.com belongs to the folks that bought bitoinica
629647;1397761306;bounce;http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-story-of-clinkle-2014-4 burn millions, have nothing to show for it, get away with it because "aw, so young"
629648;1397761306;ozbot;Inside Story of Clinkle - Business Insider
629649;1397761307;fluffypony;davout: yeah, CoinBase own it
629650;1397761315;artifexd;I disapprove
629651;1397761320;davout;fluffypony: do they? source?
629652;1397761322;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: only for online transactions
629653;1397761323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21382 @ 0.00097304 = 20.8055 BTC [+] {2} 
629654;1397761351;fluffypony;davout: http://www.coindesk.com/blockchain-info-acquires-bitcoin-com-domain-name/ - "Previously the domain was used by Coinbase a customer acquisition channel."
629655;1397761358;davout;fluffypony: last time i checked tihan seale did
629656;1397761369;davout;fluffypony: used, not owned
629657;1397761371;fluffypony;ah
629658;1397761386;fluffypony;I misread that as owned, sorry
629659;1397761441;fluffypony;http://bitcoin.com/images/news_icon.png
629660;1397761447;fluffypony;they're pushing that retarded symbol hard
629661;1397761456;benkay;i love seeing shitty startups go down
629662;1397761472;benkay;bounce: ^^
629663;1397761487;davout;the main reason i dislike jeremias kangas is the fact he hijhacks bitcoincentral.com to localbitcoins.com
629664;1397761505;davout;which as we say in france
629665;1397761508;davout;is fucking gay
629666;1397761511;numerisTrade;TestingUnoDosTre, as I understand it, the decreasing timeweight would punish your lock-in profits if it's linear to 0 in a one week frame
629667;1397761577;pankkake;during the 2000s internet bubble I loved the French website "vakooler" (fancy way of writing "going to sink")
629668;1397761588;fluffypony;davout: maybe it's worth doing a UDRP for the domain, it meets the "bad faith" element by pointing to a competing service?
629669;1397761595;TestingUnoDosTre;No no because I would bet immediately, the betting would close, and say one week later the price may drop, and I could sell shares of No for more than at beginning
629670;1397761652;TestingUnoDosTre;The decreasing timeweight would mess with everyone else but me that tried to value the option
629671;1397761689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 425 @ 0.14 = 59.5 BTC
629672;1397761694;TestingUnoDosTre;Mainly because 1 week of info doesn't help you too much for 4 weeks ahead
629673;1397761702;davout;fluffypony: mebbe
629674;1397761724;fluffypony;bounce: what in actual fuck do they need 70 people for to build a mobile payments app?
629675;1397761813;benkay;fluffypony: welcome to the circus.
629676;1397761834;fluffypony;davout: it was registered 4 months before bitcoin-central, so you'd probably have to go the trademark route + bad faith or demonstrate that you announced the name somewhere and the act of registering the domain was cybersquatting+bad faith use
629677;1397761893;davout;i really don't care that much, i just think that doing it is gay
629678;1397761941;jurov;in related news, i do want to pay for coinbroker.com but no one responds
629679;1397762099;fluffypony;jurov: did you try both of the Yahoo! emails on the domain?
629680;1397762118;jurov;prolly yes, i don't remember
629681;1397762184;jurov;i'm not desperate, coinbr is fine
629682;1397762186;numerisTrade;TestingUnoDosTre, the selling shares of No is selling these outside BitBet service?
629683;1397762223;numerisTrade;jurov, coinbr is already an established brand, besides it's better than coinbroker
629684;1397762372;TestingUnoDosTre;Yes. Draw up a short got contract. Say you're buying 10000 timeweight representing .1btc for. 13 or something along those lines
629685;1397762385;TestingUnoDosTre;Got*
629686;1397762395;TestingUnoDosTre;Gpg*****
629687;1397762528;jurov;yup, i'd add it to coinbr if i had the manpower. make a bet via coinbr, then resell it
629688;1397762567;TestingUnoDosTre;Why not just broker it myself?
629689;1397762574;TestingUnoDosTre;Gain some wot
629690;1397762636;jurov;yes, you can even put it into the -otc order book
629691;1397762657;jurov;i'm thinking wholesale :)
629692;1397762762;numerisTrade;jurov, you are thinking about reselling it within your customer base or something broader, more open?
629693;1397762787;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.06696917 = 4.0182 BTC [+] {3} 
629694;1397762798;jurov;it should *not* involve monthly fees, of course
629695;1397762818;TestingUnoDosTre;50% broker fees
629696;1397762820;TestingUnoDosTre;Lol
629697;1397762848;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.066971 = 0.2009 BTC [+]
629698;1397762862;jurov;aside from not spreading myself too thin, i'm also uncertain - maybe kako plans something like that, too
629699;1397762908;jurov;should ask him tomorrow
629700;1397762910;fluffypony;benkay: http://i.imgur.com/FyDyzym.png
629701;1397762952;jurov;they forgot to apply securities regulations, too
629702;1397762969;pankkake;and carbon emission regulations
629703;1397763072;numerisTrade;http://pando.com/2013/12/16/bitcoin-has-a-dark-side-its-carbon-footprint/
629704;1397763073;ozbot;Bitcoin has a dark side: its carbon footprint | PandoDaily
629705;1397763092;TestingUnoDosTre;Oh my I love when haters bring that up
629706;1397763112;nubbins`;just got rear-ended :(
629707;1397763128;TestingUnoDosTre;The world's most secure asset registry uses electricity! !!
629708;1397763160;fluffypony;nubbins`: that sucks - their fault, though
629709;1397763173;nubbins`;yup. i was stopped, left turn indicator on
629710;1397763177;nubbins`;guy didn't even slow down
629711;1397763183;fluffypony;what a d-bag
629712;1397763185;fluffypony;did he apologise?
629713;1397763190;nubbins`;nah
629714;1397763191;TestingUnoDosTre;Next article is about greencoin,  the newest neatest coin that requires 1/10th the energy to mine
629715;1397763198;nubbins`;young fella
629716;1397763225;TomServo;how fast were they going?
629717;1397763231;TestingUnoDosTre;Did you break his legs?
629718;1397763237;nubbins`;maybe 50-60km/h
629719;1397763249;nubbins`;i managed to take my foot off the brake before we made contact, which i think helped avoid the worst of it
629720;1397763249;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Uses less electricity becaused mined with MD4 asic
629721;1397763252;TestingUnoDosTre;Damn!
629722;1397763263;nubbins`;bumper cars
629723;1397763278;TestingUnoDosTre;Lol are you fcking kidding me
629724;1397763338;TomServo;I got hit last year, person was doing about 80 kph though.  That sucked.
629725;1397763346;nubbins`;oof, i'd say
629726;1397763375;nubbins`;i've got a bit of a headache now and my neck/shoulders are a bit sore, tomorrow's gonna suck
629727;1397763390;TomServo;Yep!
629728;1397763439;TomServo;If my driver's window would've been open I bet my leg would've been sticking out.  I was all rearranged in there.
629729;1397763446;nubbins`;yipes
629730;1397763465;TestingUnoDosTre;Oh o m
629731;1397763472;TomServo;No lasting injuries though, so yay for that.  Just sore a few days/week.
629732;1397763494;TestingUnoDosTre;This was a real car, not bumper cars? Thought you were just joking for a second there
629733;1397763496;nubbins`;good
629734;1397763507;nubbins`;TestingUnoDosTre: real car, yes
629735;1397763523;nubbins`;the bumper cars comment was in relation to the fact that i managed to release the brakes before he hit me
629736;1397763560;TomServo;Coincidentally or you saw him coming?
629737;1397763598;nubbins`;glanced in the mirror just as his headlights disappeared, tried to stomp the gas
629738;1397763675;nubbins`;funny thing is, i'm always careful to brake and indicate early at this spot, because people always take the hill really fast
629739;1397763683;nubbins`;saw the car behind me was lagging, figured he saw me
629740;1397763764;nubbins`;anyway, i need a drink
629741;1397763765;nubbins`;peace
629742;1397763780;TomServo;cheers nubbins`
629743;1397763825;jurov;http://opensslrampage.org ( strncpy(d, s, strlen(s)) got me)
629744;1397763840;jurov;!up ozbot
629745;1397763840;assbot;I don't do bots, jurov.
629746;1397763961;bounce;didn't ssl have a patch a while back that went snprintf(d,dlen,s) -> snprintf(d,dlen,"%s",s) ? something like that at any rate
629747;1397764007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16922 @ 0.00097109 = 16.4328 BTC [-] {2} 
629748;1397764202;bounce;/* if PRNG is not properly seeded, resort to secret exponent as unpredictable seed */
629749;1397764638;BingoBoingo;“Remove non-posix support. Why is OPENSSL_isservice even here? Is this a crypto library or a generic platform abstraction library? “A hack to make Visual C++ 5.0 work correctly” … time to upgrade.”
629750;1397764638;BingoBoingo;— tedu
629751;1397764983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19374 @ 0.00097418 = 18.8738 BTC [+]
629752;1397765270;TestingUnoDosTre;!Up chairman_meow
629753;1397765270;assbot;Voicing chairman_meow for 30 minutes.
629754;1397765314;fidogeh;thanks
629755;1397765324;fidogeh;!jd
629756;1397765324;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 15892 BTC profit, 34.7k BTC invested, 1055.93 mio bets, 5.18 mio BTC wagered
629757;1397765410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06685 = 0.468 BTC [-]
629758;1397765593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 450 @ 0.14 = 63 BTC
629759;1397766239;kakobrekla;lmao, i have been banned for months, and yet still
629760;1397766239;kakobrekla;http://i.imgur.com/0xOVD5F.png
629761;1397766280;fluffypony;why did they delete that post?
629762;1397766290;kakobrekla;cause they are retards
629763;1397766311;kakobrekla;this was posted in garrs thread after he said that i should stop with the slander and that he has bigger fish to fry.
629764;1397766333;kakobrekla;so i gave him a big hot pan, for the fish, you see.
629765;1397766353;bounce;how long ago was that, then?
629766;1397766360;kakobrekla;months
629767;1397766408;bounce;nicely useless accompanying message. about as useful as the usual redmondian "help" message
629768;1397766497;bounce;gah. hungry again.
629769;1397766697;cgcardona_;bounce.eat('grinds')
629770;1397766856;mircea_popescu;peterl two things. one is that you're using 1024 bytes which is weak. get a 4096
629771;1397766868;mircea_popescu;the other is that signature reads out  4467A7237ADAB076. benkay has the details.
629772;1397766873;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla hey there >D
629773;1397766996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00097636 = 18.5508 BTC [+] {2} 
629774;1397767044;chairman_meow;1024 is predicted to be broken by 2020
629775;1397767054;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete til tatiana moroz lol
629776;1397767055;gribble;The operation succeeded.
629777;1397767071;chairman_meow;i mean we already broke 768
629778;1397767090;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
629779;1397767091;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 501.13, Best ask: 503.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.87000, Last trade: 503.0, 24 hour volume: 22144.44984103, 24 hour low: 481.63, 24 hour high: 537.24, 24 hour vwap: 506.489030396
629780;1397767203;mircea_popescu;o look at that, garcia marquez croaked.
629781;1397767252;nubbins`;what?
629782;1397767258;nubbins`;i was talking about him like two days ago
629783;1397767263;mircea_popescu;prolly what did it.
629784;1397767279;kakobrekla;o hey you are fast mp
629785;1397767328;nubbins`;no doubt :(
629786;1397767343;nubbins`;shame
629787;1397767346;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla faster than a speedin' bullet.
629788;1397767366;nubbins`;guy wrote beautiful prose
629789;1397767377;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551698.0
629790;1397767379;ozbot;[IPO Launch April 16 2014] Symmetric Step Trading
629791;1397767380;mircea_popescu;"Flight attendant informs me electrical outlets don't work when the "Fasten Seatbelt" sign is on. Explains, "The plane was made in Canada.""
629792;1397767394;kakobrekla;lol, we saw this we saw that herp derp we will not come to -assets.
629793;1397767401;mircea_popescu;"The two Symmetric Step partners have been "lurkers" on this forum since mid 2013. "
629794;1397767416;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu they are too big for wot!
629795;1397767421;mircea_popescu;"We profit from disparities in the demand curves for bitcoins on separate cryptocurrency exchanges."
629796;1397767433;mircea_popescu;this is such a novel idea that worked out so well for all the previous experts.
629797;1397767444;mircea_popescu;i hope they at least offer 7% a week.
629798;1397767447;kakobrekla;lol
629799;1397767468;mircea_popescu;jesus i have a huge pile of news here.
629800;1397767475;mircea_popescu;http://www.technologyreview.com/view/526726/broad-institute-gets-patent-on-revolutionary-gene-editing-method/
629801;1397767476;ozbot;Broad Institute Gets Patent on Revolutionary Gene-Editing Method | MIT Technology Review
629802;1397767565;nubbins`;they make planes in canada? :D
629803;1397767585;mircea_popescu;where do you think all those beercans go
629804;1397767605;nubbins`;wait, bombardier
629805;1397767633;nubbins`;also avro arrow, RIP
629806;1397767644;mircea_popescu;i thought bombardier made train cars.
629807;1397767781;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ as you can see, us shutting up is actually beneficial.
629808;1397767798;nubbins`;all types of stuff
629809;1397767809;kakobrekla;fine, ill just ban the conference attendance.
629810;1397767821;mircea_popescu;benkay: i imagine they'd not be able to !up any more. << this should be tested.
629811;1397767835;mircea_popescu;who has a +1 in the assbot wot and volunteers for a little experiment ?
629812;1397767837;cgcardona_;awwww yea I'm in the top 20 for the last 7 days! (not sure if this is a good thing or not)
629813;1397767845;nubbins`;mostly prop planes, i think
629814;1397767849;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot cgcardona_
629815;1397767849;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014
629816;1397767874;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ listen, im going to negrate you. then you part channel, join it again and try to up yourself with assbot.
629817;1397767874;mircea_popescu;k ?
629818;1397767880;cgcardona_;sure
629819;1397767894;mircea_popescu;;;rated cgcardona_
629820;1397767895;gribble;You have not yet rated user cgcardona_
629821;1397767896;cgcardona_;when I reenter should do I need to reauth w/ gribble first
629822;1397767896;mircea_popescu;;;rate cgcardona_ -5 testing assbot
629823;1397767898;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -5 for user cgcardona_ has been recorded.
629824;1397767906;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ prolly not
629825;1397767906;cgcardona_;test
629826;1397767910;cgcardona_;ok i'll try
629827;1397767911;cgcardona_;brb
629828;1397767912;mircea_popescu;you gotta part to lose voice first
629829;1397767917;cgcardona_;ok
629830;1397767917;nubbins`;wow
629831;1397767921;kakobrekla;depends if you and gribble have another common channel
629832;1397767927;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: according to these stats, you don't shut up :D
629833;1397767927;kakobrekla;if you dont, you need to reath
629834;1397767929;kakobrekla;reauth
629835;1397767933;mircea_popescu;nubbins` this is true.
629836;1397767974;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ did it work ? (pm)
629837;1397767987;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot cgcardona_
629838;1397767988;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014
629839;1397767996;mircea_popescu;meh
629840;1397768024;kakobrekla;it went down just one point!?
629841;1397768033;mircea_popescu;yes cause assbot trusts us to 1
629842;1397768044;cgcardona_;mircea_popescu: sorry dude. had to reauth w/ gribble.
629843;1397768049;mircea_popescu;aha kk.
629844;1397768053;mircea_popescu;;;unrate cgcardona_
629845;1397768054;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for cgcardona_.
629846;1397768073;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla max of -1 passed cause assbot trust is 1
629847;1397768083;kakobrekla;seems weird
629848;1397768101;mircea_popescu;notrly, it's how it works.
629849;1397768120;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ thanks for halping.
629850;1397768127;cgcardona_;np
629851;1397768144;kakobrekla;then how it works is weird.
629852;1397768156;mircea_popescu;whai ?
629853;1397768207;kakobrekla;im not sure
629854;1397768218;mircea_popescu;scam.
629855;1397768225;kakobrekla;the logic does not seem apparent
629856;1397768240;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla a l2 connection can not pass more trust (either + or -) than the l1 connection.
629857;1397768255;mircea_popescu;if i trust you worth a 5, people you trust are worth to me up to 5, from +5 to -5
629858;1397768274;kakobrekla;O_O
629859;1397768287;kakobrekla;now you are just making stuff up
629860;1397768315;kakobrekla;why da fuck would +5 limit negative to -5
629861;1397768320;kakobrekla;this is wrong.
629862;1397768328;mircea_popescu;why ?
629863;1397768338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00097687 = 16.3626 BTC [+] {2} 
629864;1397768342;kakobrekla;so a +1 will limit negative to -1 ?
629865;1397768345;mircea_popescu;i think this is cannonical wot.
629866;1397768346;mircea_popescu;yes.
629867;1397768371;cgcardona_;but can't you just always rate someone directly w/ a +/- 1 ?
629868;1397768373;kakobrekla;how is this better over leaving it to go to -10
629869;1397768391;cgcardona_;my point being if you're limited by what you can rate based on it being a l2 connection
629870;1397768398;cgcardona_;can't you just make it a l1 connection and rate them directly?
629871;1397768422;cgcardona_;<----------(still learning)
629872;1397768434;nubbins`;hm
629873;1397768437;nubbins`;;;rated gigavps
629874;1397768438;gribble;You have not yet rated user gigavps
629875;1397768442;nubbins`;;;gettrust gigavps
629876;1397768443;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user gigavps: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=gigavps | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gigavps | Rated since: Fri Nov 11 14:47:27 2011
629877;1397768451;nubbins`;he's right
629878;1397768453;nubbins`;i had no idea
629879;1397768495;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ you can only rate someone directly. but we're discussing the impact of your ratings from assbot's pov
629880;1397768512;cgcardona_;got it. Don't mean to weigh in w/ deadweight questions. thanks
629881;1397768528;nubbins`;there are no dw questions, just dw people
629882;1397768532;nubbins`;JUST KIDDING :D
629883;1397768534;cgcardona_;heh
629884;1397768552;benkay;;;rate mlapeter 1 doge guy
629885;1397768552;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
629886;1397768577;mircea_popescu;da fuck
629887;1397768581;nubbins`;tbh it took me forever to realize that l2 + ratings were limited by your rating of the l1 intermediary
629888;1397768591;nubbins`;that's what ya get for not Ring TFM
629889;1397768594;benkay;;;ident mlapeter
629890;1397768594;gribble;Nick 'mlapeter', with hostmask 'mlapeter!~mlapeter@c-76-115-3-99.hsd1.or.comcast.net', is not identified.
629891;1397768601;mircea_popescu;davout: i'm not really sure i want to promote web-based wallets anymore << i can see why.
629892;1397768602;Namworld;Wait, what? That Symmetric Step thread mentions me.
629893;1397768654;davout;mircea_popescu: ><
629894;1397768660;davout;heh
629895;1397768661;fluffypony;Namworld: apparently you defaulted
629896;1397768663;mircea_popescu;mrstickball: What supports S.MPOE's valuation? It looks like annual dividend is 1%, and there is no volume outside of S.MPOE itself << this is a very old discussion. you can start with 2012 : http://trilema.com/2012/is-smpoe-really-worth-that-much/
629897;1397768664;fluffypony;and the lurkers saw it
629898;1397768681;mircea_popescu;Namworld im not reading that shit, cliffnotes ?
629899;1397768702;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: "We were here during the rise and fall of BTC-TC and during the fall of BitFunder. We saw Ukyo and Namworld default and we saw the TradeFortress long con come to its conclusion. We witnessed Deprived return from the dead and disappear again. We have watched Hannah say "see here" about once for every hour of every day in a year. We saw Labcoin meltdown and ActiveMining fade."
629900;1397768712;Namworld;I wasn't aware I did. I must not have gotten the news. Maybe I should stop repayments and go fill in for bankruptcy then?
629901;1397768732;mircea_popescu;fluffypony heh. nothing like a little narrative namedropping to establish forum "cred".
629902;1397768738;fluffypony;the rest of the "IPO" is basically "send us 100 BTC and we'll pay dividends. we promise."
629903;1397768745;mircea_popescu;Namworld either that or stop reading forum derpage :p
629904;1397768764;fluffypony;I swear I'm going to do an IPO on the forum and call myself Bitcoin_Hipster and talk about how I was into everything before it was cool
629905;1397768808;Namworld;Bwahaha ^
629906;1397768829;mircea_popescu;iirc this was a 2013 thing.
629907;1397768833;mircea_popescu;people took it seriously.
629908;1397768938;mircea_popescu;mrstickball other than that, you have no fundraising options. stfu, lurk for the next year, come back not sounding like an offensive jerkoff.
629909;1397769351;benkay;how wude
629910;1397769375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 450 @ 0.14 = 63 BTC
629911;1397769388;mircea_popescu;eh radom cyphertrade expert opining on shit as if the fecal content of his cranial cavity is now worthy of consideration.
629912;1397769391;mircea_popescu;people need a jolt.
629913;1397769499;mircea_popescu;if i may be excused a repost, http://www.dailydot.com/politics/alexis-ohanian-reddit-technology-banned-words/
629914;1397769500;mircea_popescu;wow.
629915;1397769508;mircea_popescu;i had no idea reddit is THAT shitty.
629916;1397769515;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yeah
629917;1397769520;fluffypony;it's absurd
629918;1397769527;fluffypony;and it's a default sub with ~5 mil subscribers
629919;1397769567;cgcardona_;fwiw the bitcoin discussions on the /r/bitcoin subreddit are pretty bad. I bet it brought out the super trolls to the /r/technology subreddit. still yea it's pretty bad
629920;1397769570;mircea_popescu;mpoe-pr started a trend!!1
629921;1397769605;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ i can see what the cause was, but my problem is with the mental process.
629922;1397769616;mircea_popescu;this is not unlike "fixing" problems by setting a filter before the log
629923;1397769631;mircea_popescu;so particular stuff doesn't end up in the log anymore. so no more log messages, so problem fixed.
629924;1397769664;cgcardona_;mass market solution to a mass market product
629925;1397769675;benkay;troll who can master gpg probably realizes they can actually do stuff and gives up trolling to make a living
629926;1397769692;mircea_popescu;benkay so the hope goes.
629927;1397769699;fluffypony;heh
629928;1397769704;benkay;just being user friendly, mircea_popescu
629929;1397769729;mircea_popescu;benkay we can't all be assholes.
629930;1397769755;benkay;i prefer people to realize i'm an asshole like three weeks later.
629931;1397769776;benkay;as me ma sed 'manners aren't about making people feel good. they're about plausible deniability.'
629932;1397769797;mircea_popescu;The filter is gone now, and we'll look to have full human moderator coverage in future.” << paid for... wait for it... REDDIT GOLD!!1
629933;1397769799;benkay;woman's a bit of a knut
629934;1397769802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00097728 = 11.483 BTC [+]
629935;1397769852;mircea_popescu;benkay im not a nazi, i can tolerate polite people just like i can tolerate homosexuals. just as long as they don't try to persuade me we're fine :D
629936;1397769892;fluffypony;so there's this sub-reddit called dogeillionaires, for dogecoin holders with over 1 mil dogecoin (1.2 BTC or so)...so I grabbed dogeillionaires.com, and the sub-reddit creator threw a tantrum because I'm cybersquatting and I'm making a power play (wtf)
629937;1397769894;mircea_popescu;"Flappy" ? wtf is flappy ?
629938;1397769908;fluffypony;so I told him he could have it if he asked nicely
629939;1397769916;mircea_popescu;fluffypony fill it with doge sucks material lol
629940;1397769918;kakobrekla;flappycoin dude.
629941;1397769919;fluffypony;so he says he'll send me 5 Doge to make it binding
629942;1397769927;fluffypony;so I tried to explain GPG contracts to him
629943;1397769929;mircea_popescu;waitwut ?! 5mn doge ?
629944;1397769932;fluffypony;used the bitcoin-otc link
629945;1397769939;fluffypony;and he didn't understand it
629946;1397769945;Apocalyptic;not mn I fear mircea
629947;1397769948;mircea_popescu;sounds like he's in the right place then
629948;1397769961;mircea_popescu;;;google Flappy
629949;1397769962;gribble;Play Flappy Bird: <http://flappybird.io/>; Make Your Own Flappy Bird - Code.org: <http://learn.code.org/s/6/level/148>; Flappy Bert - Sesame Street: <http://www.sesamestreet.org/cms-static/flappy_bert/>
629950;1397769967;davout;fluffypony: if you're giving it away there's no real point in making a contract anyway
629951;1397769970;mircea_popescu;srsly wtf flappy.
629952;1397769971;fluffypony;so eventually I just got pissed and told him that if he even wanted to be peripherally involved in cryptocurrency he should learn that sending 5 doge doth not a contract make
629953;1397769977;fluffypony;davout: you can't transfer for the first 60 days
629954;1397769978;benkay;dogillionaire? what is that, 0.01 btc?
629955;1397769981;kakobrekla;;;google flappycoin
629956;1397769982;gribble;FlappyCoin - The next addictive digital crypto coin: <http://flappycoin.info/>; [ANN][FLAP] FlappyCoin REBIRTH - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464743>; FlappyCoin Community - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Flappycoin>
629957;1397769987;fluffypony;davout: he wanted to make sure I didn't change my mind in 60 days
629958;1397770003;fluffypony;I told him to check my WoT rating:-P
629959;1397770004;benkay;fluffypony: invite him in here.
629960;1397770005;kakobrekla;its like dogecoin but it has a bird instead of dog.
629961;1397770015;benkay;kakobrekla stop misleading the man
629962;1397770015;fluffypony;benkay: he's ignoring me now
629963;1397770018;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla a srsly ? i see.
629964;1397770030;benkay;flappy bird made someone a lot of press accidentally
629965;1397770030;davout;fluffypony: so you give him something, for free, he wants you to sign a statement saying you won't retract? weird
629966;1397770032;kakobrekla;benkay =? is it no?
629967;1397770032;kakobrekla;not?
629968;1397770043;BingoBoingo;Next coin: Floppy coin. Instead of a dog or a bird, it is just a bored dick.
629969;1397770048;benkay;;;google flappy bird
629970;1397770048;gribble;Play Flappy Bird: <http://flappybird.io/>; Flappy Bird - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flappy_Bird>; Flappy Bird - Play on Crazy Games: <http://www.crazygames.com/game/flappy-bird>
629971;1397770048;kakobrekla;the what?
629972;1397770051;mircea_popescu;davout it wouldn't seem weird if you spent more time among doge people, reddit "millionaires" and so forth.
629973;1397770058;fluffypony;" from autodoge [-5] sent 2 days ago
629974;1397770058;fluffypony;Hello, Due to your disrespect and lack of understanding of the concept "you have lost the privilege of my reading your messages," you have lost the privilege of my acknowledging you at all. Cheers,
629975;1397770058;fluffypony;auto"
629976;1397770062;TomServo;+benkay | fluffypony: invite him in here.  << please no.
629977;1397770072;fluffypony;I disrespected him!
629978;1397770074;davout;fluffypony: here, have some nail clippings, that'll make it binding
629979;1397770077;mircea_popescu;fluffypony did this person grow up in a foster home ?
629980;1397770088;benkay;TomServo: public canings set policy.
629981;1397770100;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I think he's paranoid schizophrenic, to be honest
629982;1397770119;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Do you still have the domain?
629983;1397770124;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: of course
629984;1397770139;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: How much for you to just point it at my blag?
629985;1397770140;mircea_popescu;fluffypony being a paranoid schzophrenic is fucking expensive. if every fucktard were the holy grail of mental disease mayne mental science would make some progress.
629986;1397770154;mircea_popescu;alas, they never have enough good ones.
629987;1397770161;davout;fluffypony: put some forum up, make it the "real" place for dogillionaires to gather
629988;1397770169;fluffypony;here's another convo he had that pissed someone else off, the dude is clearly crazy: http://i.imgur.com/C5yDOVW.png
629989;1397770175;Apocalyptic;imo a redirect to trilema would be better
629990;1397770179;mircea_popescu;fluffypony how much to just point it at http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/ ?
629991;1397770190;mircea_popescu;i could use a shortener for that long ass url.
629992;1397770204;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: no need, CloudFlare has nice little 302 redirect rules, so the URL can stay long
629993;1397770207;davout;i could use a dick shortener
629994;1397770218;mircea_popescu;davout for your gf ?
629995;1397770218;Azelphur;^ said no man ever
629996;1397770218;fluffypony;davout: but then your outie would become an innie
629997;1397770273;fluffypony;http://dogeillionaires.com
629998;1397770285;fluffypony;chang chang
629999;1397770293;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ What's the general consensus on Ethereum? << premined scamcoin, basically.
630000;1397770294;davout;fluffypony: haha nice
630001;1397770297;jurov;davout, afterwards can i have a little experiment involving you?
630002;1397770305;kakobrekla;o fuck , nh hotel burned trilema credits :(
630003;1397770308;mircea_popescu;fluffypony what do i owe ?
630004;1397770316;cgcardona_;MP dude you're a champ for going back through the logs.
630005;1397770324;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla pm me your ip ?
630006;1397770331;davout;jurov: sure, as long as it does not involve detaching any limbs from my body
630007;1397770333;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: it's cool, I'll bank the favour till I have something worthwhile to ask :)
630008;1397770337;kakobrekla;we can try but dunno if its static
630009;1397770337;TomServo;fluffypony: nice.
630010;1397770338;mircea_popescu;lmao
630011;1397770356;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ i actually enjoy it tbh. i was supposed to be asleep by now, but it's like a drug, this chan.
630012;1397770366;mircea_popescu;!up bgupta
630013;1397770366;assbot;Voicing bgupta for 30 minutes.
630014;1397770378;mircea_popescu;bgupta srsly, getr in the wot.
630015;1397770396;jurov;davout it'll be about the innie, not ur limbs
630016;1397770409;davout;gross
630017;1397770421;fluffypony;lol
630018;1397770501;davout;http://i.imgur.com/b4tlML2.png <<< bwhahaha
630019;1397770523;benkay;lady v just said that she wants the apartment to look like "the good witch and the mad scientist build a fort in the woods"
630020;1397770551;mircea_popescu;benkay you being the good witch ?!
630021;1397770572;benkay;step it up mp for chrissake
630022;1397770578;TomServo;;;rate fluffypony 1 Trying to show the dogeillionaries.com the error of their ways
630023;1397770579;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user fluffypony has been recorded.
630024;1397770587;fluffypony;hah, thanks
630025;1397770601;mircea_popescu;ok, favour all paid :D
630026;1397770661;fluffypony;hah
630027;1397770670;fluffypony;not a chance :-P
630028;1397770674;fluffypony;btw "Cars crash all the time, is that a lesson not to drive ?"
630029;1397770676;fluffypony;I agree
630030;1397770766;mircea_popescu;fluffypony i don't drive.
630031;1397770794;benkay;mircea_popescu: is this domain.com/avatar.jpg thing a relic of internets past?
630032;1397770799;fluffypony;we don't have a choice here, crappy/nonexistent public transport system
630033;1397770808;rithm;driving is for plebes
630034;1397770809;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTres I used to read Krugman frequently like two or three years ago << ok that's the most perverse thing i read on here.
630035;1397770831;mircea_popescu;benkay no, it's a relic of me being pissed off at gravatar \trying to force you to login on their shithole site.
630036;1397770854;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/jos-gravatarcom/ << article at the time
630037;1397770855;ozbot;Jos Gravatar.com pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
630038;1397770929;benkay;rather nifty.
630039;1397771004;mircea_popescu;i kinda like it myself.
630040;1397771013;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller actually got himself a nice cookie avvie.
630041;1397771027;benkay;cookie avatar? how even?
630042;1397771034;benkay;oh nvm i see.
630043;1397771037;benkay;av is ck.
630044;1397771063;benkay;subject of cock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUO5Iq-7UrY
630045;1397771064;fluffypony;holy cow, does Inaba have the lowest trust rating in the forum?
630046;1397771084;mircea_popescu;somehow i doubt that
630047;1397771087;benkay;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUO5Iq-7UrY#t=82
630048;1397771088;ozbot;Superbad Dick dick dicks Ending credits   from YouTube by Offliberty - YouTube
630049;1397771094;fluffypony;well over 3 times higher than TradeFortress' negative trust
630050;1397771126;mircea_popescu;how about pirate ?
630051;1397771127;fluffypony;but at any rate, this comment is...interesting to read now; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg1337606#msg1337606
630052;1397771135;mircea_popescu;shakaru ?
630053;1397771163;fluffypony;pirate = -12
630054;1397771172;benkay;nope even that one's wrong
630055;1397771174;benkay;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUO5Iq-7UrY#t=235
630056;1397771174;ozbot;Superbad Dick dick dicks Ending credits   from YouTube by Offliberty - YouTube
630057;1397771175;mircea_popescu;fluffypony read side by side with http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/
630058;1397771187;fluffypony;shakaru = -4
630059;1397771197;fluffypony;Inaba = -1468
630060;1397771207;mircea_popescu;nefario ?
630061;1397771208;fluffypony;TradeFortress = -451
630062;1397771213;bgupta;mircea_popescu: eauth’ed
630063;1397771221;fluffypony;nefario = -4
630064;1397771221;Apocalyptic;"There is no way in hell you're going to get Joe Sixpack to use either site." // it didn't occur to him that perhaps this was not the goal
630065;1397771227;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot bgupta
630066;1397771228;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask bgupta!~bgupta@207-237-250-126.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bgupta: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bgupta | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bgupta | Rated since: Thu Jun  9 06:49:47 2011
630067;1397771237;mircea_popescu;;;rate bgupta 1 New blood.
630068;1397771238;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bgupta has been recorded.
630069;1397771262;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic because joe sixpack is derping around on the nyse like... erryday.
630070;1397771279;Apocalyptic;obviously
630071;1397771285;fluffypony;yeah
630072;1397771305;fluffypony;that part seems to be non-obvious to most
630073;1397771335;Apocalyptic;I guess he also think everyone can be and is entitled to be an investor
630074;1397771337;mircea_popescu;kinda funny to put "new blood" ratings on a 2011 wot profile
630075;1397771352;mircea_popescu;bgupta now you can voice yourself, id with gribble and pm assbot !up
630076;1397771361;kakobrekla;well, such is the world of tanks.
630077;1397771388;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 550 @ 0.14 = 77 BTC
630078;1397771389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20576 @ 0.00097625 = 20.0873 BTC [-] {2} 
630079;1397771391;mircea_popescu;anyone here even remember foodstamp ?
630080;1397771405;kakobrekla;i do
630081;1397771426;mircea_popescu;how young we were.
630082;1397771433;*;fluffypony doesn't
630083;1397771436;fluffypony;clue me in?
630084;1397771441;mircea_popescu;i srsly never felt as aged irl as i do in 3 years of btc.
630085;1397771442;bgupta;I do
630086;1397771446;kakobrekla;well, im still young, grandpa.
630087;1397771449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00097208 = 3.0621 BTC [-]
630088;1397771454;mircea_popescu;fluffypony one of the original money order scammers
630089;1397771510;fluffypony;ah ok
630090;1397771536;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=503566.msg6272884#msg6272884
630091;1397771537;ozbot;Safello launches complete redesign of website as it gears up for European expans
630092;1397771550;kakobrekla;so, i rate the guy half a year ago, note not to do biz with
630093;1397771550;mircea_popescu;what again ?
630094;1397771557;kakobrekla;this is what happens.
630095;1397771565;mircea_popescu;didn't they do that a few months ago too ?
630096;1397771590;kakobrekla;the post is by deadterra
630097;1397771590;kakobrekla;and below
630098;1397771590;kakobrekla;"IS ONE SCAM NOT ENOUGH? PAY OUT THE ICEDRILL DIVIDENDS."
630099;1397771608;mircea_popescu;whooooa wait wait. safello was eirk's whatever, sorta-bitpay for iceland or something, no ?
630100;1397771611;mircea_popescu;what connection to icedrill ?
630101;1397771619;kakobrekla;the connection is deadterra
630102;1397771628;kakobrekla;he is a fuckin idiot.
630103;1397771636;kakobrekla;possibly scammy.
630104;1397771643;mircea_popescu;i c
630105;1397771658;kakobrekla;i think erik lost his compass
630106;1397771676;Apocalyptic;kinda sad to read
630107;1397771718;kakobrekla;;;rated deadterra
630108;1397771718;gribble;You rated user deadterra on Wed Sep  4 18:41:21 2013, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: sloppy opprtunistic unreliable, bad at what he does, avoid.
630109;1397771750;kakobrekla;fyi.
630110;1397771779;mircea_popescu;;;rated deadterra
630111;1397771780;gribble;You have not yet rated user deadterra
630112;1397771809;mircea_popescu;isn't this like the only PT op that ended up on my ignore ?
630113;1397771828;kakobrekla;i dunno what grows on your ignore garden
630114;1397771847;Apocalyptic;he's a 'Donator', that usually is a good clue
630115;1397771848;BingoBoingo;Lowest trust I've seen on Bitcointalk is Garr255 with -2456 trust
630116;1397771858;kakobrekla;lol
630117;1397771862;mircea_popescu;ahaha slander.
630118;1397771886;kakobrekla;yeah shut up BingoBoingo, fishes, pans, frying.
630119;1397771953;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: It's only wrong because the fish he fries is his self
630120;1397771994;kakobrekla;:)
630121;1397772075;mircea_popescu;davout: fluffypony: i doubt hb has been actively exploited in the wild, can be wrong tho << what are you, like a quaker ?!
630122;1397772126;BingoBoingo;His ugly, ugly fish self
630123;1397772146;davout;mircea_popescu fluffypony what i meant is more something like "by someone else than the nsa", but like i said, i could be dead wrong about it :-)
630124;1397772164;mircea_popescu;a, like that it has more of a leg.
630125;1397772225;mircea_popescu;someone's name really is "buster roni" ?!
630126;1397772249;mircea_popescu;davout: bitcoin.com belongs to the folks that bought bitoinica << how ?!
630127;1397772293;davout;mircea_popescu: tihan seale told me he owned bitcoin.com, or the fund or whatever he was representing
630128;1397772308;mircea_popescu;http://www.dailydot.com/news/reddit-censorship-technology-drama-default/
630129;1397772309;ozbot;Reddit strips r/technology's default status amid moderator turmoil
630130;1397772310;mircea_popescu;le wow.
630131;1397772329;mircea_popescu;davout and this is credible, because tihan seale didn't lie about pretty much every other thing he said, ever.
630132;1397772354;mircea_popescu;if the guy said he had terminal aids cancer he got from prostituting himself for nickles i'd suspect it.
630133;1397772369;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I think that's his nick...busterroni, like pepperoni
630134;1397772377;mircea_popescu;because nuts rarely lie towards humiliating themselves.
630135;1397772391;mircea_popescu;but claiming he like... owns shit ? heh.
630136;1397772401;davout;mircea_popescu: in the context of the conversation we had he didn't really have a motive to lie about it, but hey, who knows
630137;1397772409;mircea_popescu;fluffypony not a bad one. he could make a great pepperoni pizza brand
630138;1397772414;fluffypony;heh
630139;1397772447;mircea_popescu;fluffypony how do you know this stickball character btw ?
630140;1397772488;benkay;mrs tick ball
630141;1397772496;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: we're in a similar business space, I've bought from him and he's bought from me
630142;1397772505;fluffypony;and there's a lot of shared interest
630143;1397772516;fluffypony;buyahash is going to be carrying some OpenRigs products soon, for eg.
630144;1397772517;mircea_popescu;this is telling me exactly nothing, but asyway.
630145;1397772547;fluffypony;well there's been an exchange of money and product several times and neither party has screwed the other over
630146;1397772573;mircea_popescu;so this makes your butcher an amazing person or you don't eat meat ?
630147;1397772573;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
630148;1397772590;fluffypony;wife is vegetarian, but I love me some ribs
630149;1397772615;*;fluffypony ponders
630150;1397772638;fluffypony;look, to go full circle back to that "why do we trust" discussion
630151;1397772647;fluffypony;a lot of it is based on successful, successive interactions
630152;1397772671;fluffypony;I've had enough interactions with him to think him a trustworthy, reasonably competent fellow
630153;1397772696;fluffypony;amazing was being a little tongue-in-cheek
630154;1397772696;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
630155;1397772701;mircea_popescu;notrly how this works. so did you lend him fiddy bux ten times and he repaid every time or did you deliver him $5mn worth of widgets on net30 which he paid for as agreed.
630156;1397772710;fluffypony;!up mrstickball
630157;1397772710;assbot;Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
630158;1397772721;mrstickball;so what is being questioned of me?
630159;1397772731;fluffypony;well if I must distill the rating into something more concise
630160;1397772734;fluffypony;;;rated mrstickball
630161;1397772735;gribble;You rated user mrstickball on Thu Apr 17 14:41:43 2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: a fantastic human being who happens to run Buy-A-Hash.
630162;1397772746;mrstickball;!gettrust mrstickball
630163;1397772752;mrstickball;;gettrust mrstickball
630164;1397772757;mircea_popescu;!down mrstickball
630165;1397772762;davout;;;gettrust mrstickball
630166;1397772762;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eektlejeeyngkrhe. Trust relationship from user davout to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul  5 18:09:54 2013
630167;1397772778;davout;;;gettrust assbot mrstickball
630168;1397772779;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eektlejeeyngkrhe. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul  5 18:09:54 2013
630169;1397772828;fluffypony;;;rate mrstickball 4 runs buy-a-hash, which carries openrigs products, and have had several large financial interactions (purchases/sales)
630170;1397772830;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mrstickball has changed from 4 to 4.
630171;1397772854;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: better?
630172;1397772861;mrstickball;There we go
630173;1397772873;mircea_popescu;fluffypony notrly but anyway.
630174;1397772916;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: ok so then be specific, because the rating is nowhere near a 10 and contains as much info as I can pack into that shortform
630175;1397772938;mircea_popescu;well, not to be a bore, but didja read the what wot is how to use it article ?
630176;1397772938;mrstickball;mircea_popescu: my company is a known quantity. So I guess you should ask specific questions of me
630177;1397773030;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I have, and I don't see how my rating excludes anyone contacting me for more info?
630178;1397773034;mrstickball;if you're asking me, yes. I never requested ratings by anyone I've done trades with
630179;1397773049;mircea_popescu;but ... i just did contact you for more info.
630180;1397773056;mrstickball;admittedly, its been a few months since I dealt with WoT and gribble to re-auth
630181;1397773062;mrstickball;Through which channel?
630182;1397773065;mrstickball;this?
630183;1397773089;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: by your own example, you should ask for more information with a purpose - "I am considering buying a used car from Moe. I see that you have rated him in the past. How did that go ?"
630184;1397773118;mircea_popescu;i was trying to evaluate whether the guy should be salvaged or i should just ignore him.
630185;1397773124;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i ignored him so the point is moot.
630186;1397773129;mrstickball;heh
630187;1397773135;mrstickball;praise from caesar
630188;1397773165;fluffypony;I think it's whisky time, my brain is frazzled :-P
630189;1397773174;mrstickball;I gotta head to church anyway
630190;1397773460;mircea_popescu;"Of course we had our servicemen behind the self-defense units of Crimea," Putin said during an annual televised call-in with the nation on Thursday.
630191;1397773464;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that settles that eh.
630192;1397773507;fluffypony;http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ukraine-jewish-registry-fake/
630193;1397773507;ozbot;That flyer about Jews needing to 'register' in Ukraine is fake
630194;1397773517;fluffypony;well
630195;1397773517;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Prolly so.
630196;1397773537;TomServo;Is that regarding a bet you made BingoBoingo?
630197;1397773549;BingoBoingo;TomServo: One I wrote.
630198;1397773565;BingoBoingo;Like many bets, with a time machine the specs could have been better.
630199;1397773583;mircea_popescu;!up Kleeck
630200;1397773583;assbot;Voicing Kleeck for 30 minutes.
630201;1397773584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06695 = 0.2678 BTC [+]
630202;1397773585;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: I can sell you a time machine for cheap
630203;1397773593;BingoBoingo;http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/#c2822
630204;1397773596;ozbot;BitBet - Crimea 2 Electric Boogaloo
630205;1397773603;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Define "Time Machine"
630206;1397773631;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: for the low, low cost of only 1000 Buttcoins, I will provide a machine that allows you to effortlessly move through time*
630207;1397773665;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Well I move through time in one direction easily enough already
630208;1397773704;fluffypony;ok you've caught me, that's pretty much what it does
630209;1397773717;Apocalyptic;.d
630210;1397773718;ozbot;6.979 billion | Next Diff in 1982 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.7887% in 10d 21h 12m 22s
630211;1397773719;fluffypony;* forward direction only, movement in real-time only
630212;1397773725;mircea_popescu;jurov TestingUnoDosTres actually im fucking fascinated by the notion of... trading bitbet bets ?!
630213;1397773823;TomServo;So what's the deal with lack of insignia anyhow?
630214;1397773838;mircea_popescu;nubbins` hey, good you're ok.
630215;1397773861;mircea_popescu;TomServo budget cuts ?
630216;1397773862;BingoBoingo;TomServo: Lawful combatant status
630217;1397773873;fluffypony;uniforms weren't ready on time
630218;1397773950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7053 @ 0.000971 = 6.8485 BTC [-]
630219;1397774018;fluffypony;expectation vs. reality: http://i.imgur.com/sShi4uM.jpg
630220;1397774035;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: lmao, i have been banned for months, and yet still << they purging old threads you mean ?!
630221;1397774080;kakobrekla;looks like
630222;1397774087;kakobrekla;that post was months old.
630223;1397774096;mircea_popescu;odd.
630224;1397774097;fluffypony;maybe they're banning sarcasm?
630225;1397774131;fluffypony;right enough for one night, I need to sleep, cheers
630226;1397774133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00097087 = 4.5145 BTC [-] {2} 
630227;1397774192;mircea_popescu;"The week after Thanksgiving, 40 Clinkle employees gathered in the kitchen of their San Francisco office. It was the second time in two days they’d been called together for an all-hands meeting."
630228;1397774206;mircea_popescu;the importance of the kitchen for tech start-ups : if you hold the meeting there, even the women can participate.
630229;1397774455;kakobrekla;ok i found the original
630230;1397774455;kakobrekla;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/starting-a-new-fpga-mining-farm-contract-cognitive-resurrected-on-havelock.47052/page-109#post-4510378
630231;1397774457;ozbot;Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] | Page 109 | Bitcointa.l
630232;1397774464;kakobrekla;jan 26.
630233;1397774470;kakobrekla;so like 4 months old?
630234;1397774495;mircea_popescu;i guess forum got upgraded, mods got hired, it's going to get like all cleared up nao.
630235;1397774526;kakobrekla;if i had to make a bet, id say garr made the complaint.
630236;1397774533;kakobrekla;while he is in hiding.
630237;1397774575;BingoBoingo;;;later tell moiety are you Snail2 on bitcointalk... Their avatar appears to be a Manul
630238;1397774575;gribble;The operation succeeded.
630239;1397774586;mircea_popescu;"this month i will pay dividends in deleted posts on a forum people who like to talk about bitcoin write for other people who like to talk about bitcoin"
630240;1397774603;kakobrekla;lol.
630241;1397774675;TomServo;I hurt myself reading that.
630242;1397774743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00012392 = 0.2478 BTC [-] {3} 
630243;1397774744;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 40 @ 0.00599099 = 0.2396 BTC [+] {3} 
630244;1397774761;mircea_popescu;"Clinkle is also building out a robust rewards system with gamification elements. For example, if you use Clinkle to buy things, you might earn a free coffee. "
630245;1397774766;mircea_popescu;i hurt myself reading THAT
630246;1397774787;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is so destitute they can't afford a coffee the moment they want one, and who the fuck would want such a person within a mile.
630247;1397774834;mircea_popescu;for that matter, when did coffee become comodized anyway. "a coffee" means nothing, unless it means sex.
630248;1397774840;BingoBoingo;Someone who was never forced to stop being a college student?
630249;1397774865;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 850 @ 0.00015604 = 0.1326 BTC [+] {3} 
630250;1397774871;mircea_popescu;you know, universities force dorks to pay 10's of k's a year to be college students.
630251;1397774876;mircea_popescu;none of these apps ever will.
630252;1397775084;BingoBoingo;I don't think I've ever paid tuition in my life
630253;1397775107;mircea_popescu;o hey, i grew up in a communist country too.
630254;1397775144;artifexd;Is ThickAsThieves in Romania yet? I need his help.
630255;1397775209;BingoBoingo;lol
630256;1397775414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0286245 = 0.1145 BTC [-] {3} 
630257;1397775415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.06589816 = 1.5816 BTC [-] {8} 
630258;1397775433;BingoBoingo;http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/04/17/kids_in_nightclubs_new_york_clubs_host_parties_for_children_6_12.html
630259;1397775433;ozbot;Kids in nightclubs: New York clubs host parties for children 6-12.
630260;1397775616;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: isn't your thing today?
630261;1397775627;thestringpuller;shouldn't you be off doing secret society illuminati shit?
630262;1397775708;TomServo;BingoBoingo: lol
630263;1397775721;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller that was earlier.
630264;1397775726;TomServo;There was some terrible BS on vice about the 'baby DJ school'
630265;1397775784;BingoBoingo;TomServo: My favorite part of the story is the parents taking their medicine at the bar
630266;1397776741;thestringpuller;I think this is the harshest review tag I've ever seen >> "You don't need a heart to like this movie. You need an MBA."
630267;1397777122;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0645125 = 0.7742 BTC [-] {2} 
630268;1397777123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
630269;1397777529;mircea_popescu;mbas aren't that bad are they
630270;1397777672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00097087 = 16.6019 BTC [-]
630271;1397778274;BingoBoingo;;;tslb
630272;1397778286;gribble;Time since last block: 26 minutes and 29 seconds
630273;1397778293;thestringpuller;http://mpex.co/assets/s.mpoe-2FB7B452.txt is there a reason 4 repeats at the end
630274;1397778422;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller how does it repeat ?
630275;1397778451;mircea_popescu;jesus what a mess.
630276;1397778474;thestringpuller;4.3. This contract is protected as copyrighted material. It may not be reused by different parties without the express permission of MPEx.ch calendar month.
630277;1397778486;thestringpuller;dunno how it got obfuscated
630278;1397778495;mircea_popescu;it looks like a nutty copy/paste error that somehow nobody picked on in... years ?
630279;1397778499;thestringpuller;i haven't verified the sig lol oh well sorry to bring you bad news
630280;1397778509;thestringpuller;or weird news
630281;1397778512;thestringpuller;OR WEIRD SCIENCE
630282;1397778524;thestringpuller;just very bored
630283;1397778541;mircea_popescu;well good for you.
630284;1397778558;mircea_popescu;the 2nd 2 should be a 3 too so i guess next week is mpoe contract update day o.o
630285;1397779010;mircea_popescu;http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-story-of-clinkle-2014-4 << this is pretty lulzy to read in para-lel with brilliant
630286;1397779031;mircea_popescu;"I was flattered by his interest, so I thought it over. That is, I indulged in what young men frequently mistake for thought. In imagination, I saw my name over the door and myself in a fine glass office looking out and watching clerks taking in money. I had, in anticipation, the thrill of buying one store after another and going from town to town on tours of inspection. I tickled my fancy with the idea of coming back
630287;1397779031;mircea_popescu;to college and letting the boys consult me as an experienced man of affairs. And having finished this process of “thinking” I wired Carroll that I was ready to join him."
630288;1397779047;mircea_popescu;!up joe_blow
630289;1397779047;assbot;Voicing joe_blow for 30 minutes.
630290;1397779134;mircea_popescu;"There were culture-building events like parties and baseball games. Employees would dress up for Wacky Wednesdays, sip mimosas on Fridays during lunch, and sunbathe on the office roof deck. Duplan was quickly becoming a star around Stanford’s campus — prompting both awe and jealousy — and not everyone was a fan."
630291;1397779219;mircea_popescu;.d
630292;1397779257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0639717 = 1.4074 BTC [-] {4} 
630293;1397779442;mircea_popescu;otherwise, almost neobee to a fault. "The growth teams met ambitious goals by targeting the most influential students on campus, such as group presidents and fraternity and sorority leaders. The leaders were shown some images from the website, and the deal was sealed with a compelling prize: If the entire organization signed up for Clinkle’s waitlist, then all of them downloaded the app on the day it became available
630294;1397779443;mircea_popescu;, the group could win a $500 party, spa visit or stereo-system package. None of the pitches included a demo of the actual app."
630295;1397779458;mircea_popescu;this sort of retarded shit's becoming something like the new normal.
630296;1397779714;BingoBoingo;"After the sales team hit its 100,000 sign-up milestone on a Wednesday in late September, Clinkle paid for a “booze bus” to take them out partying that Friday. Two days later, a dozen people who had been on that bus received a phone call from Clinkle’s management team. The message: Don’t come into work tomorrow — you’re fired.
630297;1397779714;BingoBoingo;Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-story-of-clinkle-2014-4#ixzz2zBxYIrmw
630298;1397779714;BingoBoingo;"
630299;1397779746;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06279904 = 0.314 BTC [-] {2} 
630300;1397779874;thestringpuller;lololol
630301;1397779902;thestringpuller;business insider is powered by mongodb?!?!?
630302;1397779903;thestringpuller;like
630303;1397779903;thestringpuller;uh
630304;1397779904;thestringpuller;what?
630305;1397780043;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Interesting how these things reveal themselves
630306;1397780172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13790 @ 0.00097298 = 13.4174 BTC [+] {2} 
630307;1397780713;mircea_popescu;One described the way engineers were treated versus everyone else as a “caste system” within Clinkle. Another said there was “segregation in terms of how departments were treated by management.”
630308;1397780713;mircea_popescu;For example, only engineers, some designers and product people were given stock. And some of the other departments, such as operations, were asked to do menial tasks for the engineers.
630309;1397780715;mircea_popescu;holy shit.
630310;1397780721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19910 @ 0.0009755 = 19.4222 BTC [+]
630311;1397780724;mircea_popescu;HOW do these people expect a fucking company to work already ?
630312;1397780758;mircea_popescu;facebook is responsible i swear. every nutcase imagines himself randi zuckerberg now.
630313;1397780782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9179 @ 0.00097085 = 8.9114 BTC [-] {2} 
630314;1397780873;artifexd;I guess the programmers weren't perceived as fungible at Clinkle.
630315;1397780929;mircea_popescu;zing :D
630316;1397781001;mircea_popescu;"The sound technology, the source says, doesn’t yet work. A noise as common as a blender in the background at a coffee shop might cause it to malfunction."
630317;1397781009;mircea_popescu;they were not fungible, they were fucktarded.
630318;1397781015;mircea_popescu;no checksum bits, seriously ?
630319;1397781139;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: so this new article on trilema...
630320;1397781199;mircea_popescu;hm ?
630321;1397781205;thestringpuller;"attacking the wot"
630322;1397781233;mircea_popescu;artifexd you know, im not proposing every engineer out there should be made sausage by nubbins.
630323;1397781243;mircea_popescu;but the perspective never hurt anyone.
630324;1397781291;artifexd;It absolutely does not hurt to occasionally think, "How easily could I be replaced by a small shell script?"
630325;1397781325;mircea_popescu;it just feels like it hurts
630326;1397781326;mircea_popescu;that's all.
630327;1397781327;artifexd;And, fwiw, my feelings aren't *still* hurt. :)
630328;1397781333;mircea_popescu;if you ever read dune, there's a cube in there
630329;1397781575;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.02754321 = 1.3221 BTC [-] {13} 
630330;1397782979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0620051 = 0.6201 BTC [-]
630331;1397783405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00097687 = 22.468 BTC [+] {2} 
630332;1397783527;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 539 @ 0.00073009 = 0.3935 BTC [-] {3} 
630333;1397783649;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1931 @ 0.00071489 = 1.3805 BTC [-] {7} 
630334;1397783694;thestringpuller;sell sell sell!
630335;1397783710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1856 @ 0.00097085 = 1.8019 BTC [-]
630336;1397783710;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.027 = 0.135 BTC [-] {3} 
630337;1397783711;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
630338;1397783717;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 495.99, vol: 19927.44828881 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 482.5, vol: 15334.15123 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 498.61, vol: 18144.33534622 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 506.65, vol: 130.98620093 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 491.5813, vol: 6521.38600000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 503.80348, vol: 16.26733719 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 507.577186619, vol: 108.99092749 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
630339;1397783720;BingoBoingo;;;more
630340;1397783720;gribble;average: 492.911351215
630341;1397783954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5844 @ 0.00096964 = 5.6666 BTC [-]
630342;1397784075;thestringpuller;wo really mpoe?
630343;1397784551;cgcardona_;;;ticker
630344;1397784552;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.54, Best ask: 496.74, Bid-ask spread: 2.20000, Last trade: 494.54, 24 hour volume: 19864.09287664, 24 hour low: 481.63, 24 hour high: 530.66, 24 hour vwap: 502.001018804
630345;1397784930;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 48 @ 0.06292704 = 3.0205 BTC [+] {3} 
630346;1397788529;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0620051 = 0.31 BTC [-]
630347;1397788727;TestingUnoDosTre;Do I want persistence on a USB drive Linux that I'll be using to access/store offline funds ?
630348;1397788985;Duffer1;i'm not sure man, i just downloaded ubuntu 14.04 myself, i have no idea what best practices are
630349;1397789349;TestingUnoDosTre;didn't 14.04 just come out like... today?
630350;1397789356;nubbins`;it depends on whether you want to store keys on there or not
630351;1397789366;nubbins`;or passwords, whatever
630352;1397789369;Duffer1;ya testing
630353;1397789420;Duffer1;the last time i used linux was redhat for dummies half a lifetime ago
630354;1397789431;TestingUnoDosTre;Keys like GPG keys, or keys like private bitcoin keys?
630355;1397789432;Duffer1;so i'm not exactly up on security practices :P
630356;1397789577;TestingUnoDosTre;nubbins, let's say yes I do want to store keys there
630357;1397789600;TestingUnoDosTre;would that be yes, persistence desired?
630358;1397789685;nubbins`;i'd assume so, yes
630359;1397789705;nubbins`;for example, persistence wouldn't be an option if you were running linux from a cdr
630360;1397789717;nubbins`;because you can't save your changes
630361;1397789916;TestingUnoDosTre;But I will need persistence if I want to download some bitcoin client and maybe like python-qt4 when I first boot?
630362;1397790090;nubbins`;you will need it if you don't want to have to download a client and python every time you boot
630363;1397790115;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02628999 = 0.184 BTC [-] {4} 
630364;1397790116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05325 = 0.1065 BTC [+] {2} 
630365;1397790176;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0629999 = 0.252 BTC [+]
630366;1397790284;TestingUnoDosTre;thanks
630367;1397790546;TestingUnoDosTre;another question - thoughts on armory?
630368;1397790547;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Good things are said about it. The offline component is light. The online part not so much
630369;1397790797;TestingUnoDosTre;offline is what I'm looking for
630370;1397790820;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Well, Armory has an offline half and an online half.
630371;1397790829;TestingUnoDosTre;oh
630372;1397790957;BingoBoingo;The offline half just does signing and never should go online ever
630373;1397790960;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/twitter-parody-account-holder-sought-in-police-raid/
630374;1397791579;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31106 @ 0.00097539 = 30.3405 BTC [+]
630375;1397791676;TestingUnoDosTre;internet crime
630376;1397791683;TestingUnoDosTre;fuck me in the ass I need to get out of this country quick
630377;1397791775;artifexd;!up ThickAsThieves
630378;1397791775;assbot;Voicing ThickAsThieves for 30 minutes.
630379;1397791798;artifexd;How goes it?
630380;1397791806;ThickAsThieves;Not bad
630381;1397791841;ThickAsThieves;I thought i didnt need to gribble auth everytime if i was nickseev id'd
630382;1397791842;artifexd;I could use your help
630383;1397791865;artifexd;Yeah. Gotta be ident for assbot to pay you any mind
630384;1397791871;ThickAsThieves;My ability to help is limited
630385;1397791888;ThickAsThieves;Sup?
630386;1397791902;artifexd;Can you appoint me as an altcoin representative?
630387;1397791909;ThickAsThieves;Lol
630388;1397791916;ThickAsThieves;No such thing
630389;1397791922;artifexd;I'm trying to grab control of #altcoin.
630390;1397791950;artifexd;You have control over therealaltcoin.org, right?
630391;1397791955;ThickAsThieves;Yes
630392;1397791971;ThickAsThieves;But i dont control Altcoin per se
630393;1397791982;ThickAsThieves;Its open source etc
630394;1397791996;artifexd;Work with me here
630395;1397792021;ThickAsThieves;Im trying to keep an open mind
630396;1397792043;ThickAsThieves;Why do u want control anyway?
630397;1397792079;artifexd;I want to set a topic to reduce the amount of OMGBBQCoin questions.
630398;1397792174;ThickAsThieves;Doesn't someone already control it?
630399;1397792214;artifexd;The founder is metabyte. He registered the channel over a year ago.  Hasn't been in it for...
630400;1397792224;artifexd;44 weeks.
630401;1397792238;artifexd;He hasn't authed with nickserv in 19 weeks.
630402;1397792242;artifexd;Dude ain't around
630403;1397792374;ThickAsThieves;So rhe process for controlling it would be to state purpose and provide url?
630404;1397792467;ThickAsThieves;Seems a lil loose but i also dont get how to make someone an official rep
630405;1397792477;artifexd;Pop into #freenode. Ask a staffer to transfer control. Answer whatever questions he has. (Is it open source? Etc...)
630406;1397792530;artifexd;If you recognize me as a rep, I'm a rep.
630407;1397792549;TestingUnoDosTre;what magic is this?
630408;1397792588;artifexd;I can point them at the bitcointalk thread.  And say, "See ThickAsThieves created the project. He says I am a rep. Don't believe me? Ask him."
630409;1397792595;artifexd;If they ask, say "Yep"
630410;1397792645;artifexd;The fact that the founder of the channel is long absent and his nickserv account is expired make it much easier.
630411;1397792680;artifexd;Oh. Look at you. Doing it yourself. Awesome.
630412;1397792719;ThickAsThieves;No answers in the room tho
630413;1397792737;artifexd;Staffers have been kinda lacking the last few hours.
630414;1397792745;ThickAsThieves;I only represent  myself when i can
630415;1397792763;ThickAsThieves;Lessons learned etc
630416;1397792771;artifexd;It is no hurry. It is no big deal.
630417;1397792771;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Shouldn't you be getting some sleep?
630418;1397792847;ThickAsThieves;Its morning
630419;1397792858;ThickAsThieves;In Romania
630420;1397792891;ThickAsThieves;I only sleep like 5 hrs usually
630421;1397792982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9866 @ 0.00097435 = 9.6129 BTC [-] {2} 
630422;1397793086;TestingUnoDosTre;what in the hell is wrong with you
630423;1397793099;TestingUnoDosTre;I'm like a zombie even if I make it out with 7
630424;1397793237;ThickAsThieves;Been this way a long time i dunno
630425;1397793797;TestingUnoDosTre;Have any conference pre game festivities started?
630426;1397793976;TestingUnoDosTre;ThickAsThieves
630427;1397794069;TestingUnoDosTre;!up ThickAsThieves
630428;1397794069;assbot;Voicing ThickAsThieves for 30 minutes.
630429;1397794090;TestingUnoDosTre;;;gettrust ThickAsThieves assbot
630430;1397794090;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
630431;1397794094;ThickAsThieves;Some
630432;1397794107;TestingUnoDosTre;How do I know it's you <:-)
630433;1397794114;ThickAsThieves;I dont have auth ability on tablet
630434;1397794123;ThickAsThieves;I am ident w freenode tho
630435;1397794130;TestingUnoDosTre;security reasons?
630436;1397794135;ThickAsThieves;And my name is locked otherwise
630437;1397794146;TestingUnoDosTre;oooh how do you do that again?
630438;1397794156;TestingUnoDosTre;some nickserve thing?
630439;1397794161;ThickAsThieves;Yeah
630440;1397794174;danielpbarron;/msg nickserv help set
630441;1397794183;ThickAsThieves;You can get a cloak too
630442;1397794205;danielpbarron;what is MaidSafe? has anyone heard of this? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395761.msg6276095#msg6276095
630443;1397794307;ThickAsThieves;Dunno but why get mixed up with mastercoin bs?
630444;1397794335;danielpbarron;heh, i'm messed up with counterparty bs
630445;1397794381;ThickAsThieves;Get out then
630446;1397794658;TestingUnoDosTre;Oooo this Mayor is ridiculous https://twitter.com/MayorPeoria/status/456968985628528641
630447;1397794683;ThickAsThieves;;;later tell mircea_popescu looks like the composer for the Heroes game music does some for Rift too
630448;1397794683;gribble;The operation succeeded.
630449;1397794733;artifexd;ThickAsThieves: FWIW, metabyte has been booted as founder of #altcoin and now the founder is listed as freenode-staff.
630450;1397794805;ThickAsThieves;Heh
630451;1397794930;TestingUnoDosTre;Oh my gosh. Tweenagers to the rescue of that Dutch girl who tweeted a bomb threat to AA. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/04/14/dozens-of-teenagers-are-now-tweeting-bomb-jokes-to-american-airlines/
630452;1397796154;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.063 = 0.315 BTC [+]
630453;1397796231;cgcardona_;;;ticker
630454;1397796233;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 495.83, Best ask: 496.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 495.83, 24 hour volume: 19187.47353827, 24 hour low: 481.63, 24 hour high: 530.66, 24 hour vwap: 500.488451876
630455;1397797238;artifexd;!up Shakespeare
630456;1397797238;assbot;Voicing Shakespeare for 30 minutes.
630457;1397797348;TestingUnoDosTre;epicly snoozy in here tonight
630458;1397797385;jurov;nooo i wanted to cuddle
630459;1397797648;artifexd;!up smidge
630460;1397797648;assbot;Voicing smidge for 30 minutes.
630461;1397797659;artifexd;!up bloctoc
630462;1397797659;assbot;Voicing bloctoc for 30 minutes.
630463;1397797801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0525 = 0.1575 BTC [-]
630464;1397797915;artifexd;;;gettrust assbot Jezzz
630465;1397797915;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Jezzz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Jezzz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Jezzz | Rated since: Fri Mar  2 23:47:44 2012
630466;1397798838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9860 @ 0.00097227 = 9.5866 BTC [-] {3} 
630467;1397799307;fluffypony;http://money.cnn.com/2014/04/16/technology/security/canada-heartbleed/
630468;1397799307;ozbot;Canadians arrest a Heartbleed hacker - Apr. 16, 2014
630469;1397799326;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07680892 = 0.384 BTC [-] {4} 
630470;1397799570;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.00593332 = 0.178 BTC [+] {5} 
630471;1397800059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1530 @ 0.00060939 = 0.9324 BTC [-] {8} 
630472;1397801400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.0009776 = 10.9002 BTC [+] {2} 
630473;1397804084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.063 = 1.008 BTC [+]
630474;1397805370;fluffypony;http://crypto-comics.com/comic28.png
630475;1397805374;fluffypony;mildly funny
630476;1397805792;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1882 @ 0.00012909 = 0.2429 BTC [+] {2} 
630477;1397805853;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012997 = 0.3899 BTC [+] {3} 
630478;1397807909;*;fluffypony stretches
630479;1397807918;fluffypony;jurov: how goes it?
630480;1397808662;jurov;fluffypony: ?
630481;1397808664;jurov;i'm on the road, still 450km to timis
630482;1397808668;jurov;(i'm not driving)
630483;1397808688;fluffypony;jurov: ah nice - enjoy
630484;1397808892;fluffypony;Namworld: so did you figure out why you got named-and-shamed in that SymStep thread?
630485;1397809445;Namworld;No idea.
630486;1397809471;Namworld;Wasn't there another loan thing on Bitfunder other than Ukyo? Who was it?
630487;1397809514;fluffypony;Graet
630488;1397809534;fluffypony;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218324.0
630489;1397809535;ozbot;[BitFunder] Graet.Loan - Paying 0.05% interest daily
630490;1397809624;kakobrekla;sup
630491;1397809643;kakobrekla;dammit scrollback.
630492;1397809683;Namworld;Eh. I have a loan still outstanding. I was repaying people for a good while after BTCT.co closed. I ran into issues tho, I'm not done repaying everyone.
630493;1397809713;fluffypony;still, on a list of hipsterrific scams it seems an odd thing to mention
630494;1397809716;kakobrekla;so you are 'temporarily defaulted' ?
630495;1397809724;kakobrekla;if theres such thing
630496;1397809784;Namworld;Well people so far have accepted my explanation and were okay to wait a while.
630497;1397809844;kakobrekla;well, if someone is ok to assfuck him, that doesnt mean you didnt assfuck him
630498;1397809846;kakobrekla;just sayin.
630499;1397809963;Namworld;The terms where that loan was redeemable on demand, providing time for liquiding assets. The timespan is just getting unreasonable.
630500;1397810006;Namworld;Although otherwise I guess that yes, it's a default. I just don't know why he's naming me among so many scams who are more than just late. Or where he even learned I'm late on some payments.
630501;1397810203;Namworld;Actually nevermind, I guess since I'm not paying daily interest like on contract, that's a default.
630502;1397810216;kakobrekla;:D
630503;1397810243;Namworld;The lack of a platform to do that is kind of problematic.
630504;1397810733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2009 @ 0.00097201 = 1.9528 BTC [-]
630505;1397812121;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla https://twitter.com/sheldonth/status/456997327501529089
630506;1397812123;mircea_popescu;now look what you did.
630507;1397812152;kakobrekla;the what
630508;1397812167;kakobrekla;how is this my fault
630509;1397812209;mircea_popescu;you're in bitcoin, right ?
630510;1397812241;kakobrekla;lol bitcoin dude. get some doge instead.
630511;1397812255;mircea_popescu;the customer is always right bitch!
630512;1397812265;kakobrekla;:D
630513;1397812271;mircea_popescu;tat will love this :D
630514;1397812275;kakobrekla;i have no comeback to that.
630515;1397812313;fluffypony;weird
630516;1397812334;fluffypony;ICMP traffic is working, TCP is working, but HTTP/HTTPS isn't working
630517;1397812339;*;fluffypony shoots his ISP
630518;1397812371;mircea_popescu;!up edlund10
630519;1397812371;assbot;Voicing edlund10 for 30 minutes.
630520;1397812380;edlund10;thanks :)
630521;1397812381;fluffypony;http works on alternate ports
630522;1397812389;fluffypony;so it's my ISP's DSL proxy that's broken
630523;1397812390;*;fluffypony sighs
630524;1397812679;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: so when did you buy coinroll.it? :-P
630525;1397812784;mircea_popescu;i have no idea.
630526;1397812910;edlund10;Mircea, I'm your fan :)
630527;1397812947;fluffypony;keeping him cool in hot Romanian summers?
630528;1397812955;edlund10;:D
630529;1397812974;mircea_popescu;edlund10 good for you
630530;1397812984;edlund10;no, I mostly admire his literary work so far
630531;1397813012;edlund10;I think he gained lots of popularity after the "How to interact with a fiat institution" article
630532;1397813018;mircea_popescu;da fuck, that'll be the laugh of all time, if it turns out my real talent was literary.
630533;1397813033;fluffypony;heh
630534;1397813041;fluffypony;I await your first book with eager expectation
630535;1397813046;mircea_popescu;lol
630536;1397813046;fluffypony;signed copy plx
630537;1397813058;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/i-wrote-a-book/
630538;1397813060;ozbot;I wrote a book… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
630539;1397813068;mircea_popescu;set your time machine to 2005
630540;1397813101;edlund10;yes, it's a pity i don't understand romanian so good :)
630541;1397813140;mircea_popescu;it's in english.
630542;1397813156;mircea_popescu;writing books ~in romanian~ struck even 2005 me as a little silly.
630543;1397813167;edlund10;oh, cool
630544;1397813171;edlund10;how can i get it
630545;1397813186;fluffypony;you should republish it electronically through SmashWords
630546;1397813199;mircea_popescu;why through smashwords ?
630547;1397813211;mircea_popescu;edlund10 link to 1st chapter in that link, then chains of links to following chapters.
630548;1397813250;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: because they do all the heavy lifting of getting it into the Kindle and iBooks stores etc.
630549;1397813266;edlund10;great
630550;1397813278;mircea_popescu;do they pay out btc ?
630551;1397813284;fluffypony;nein
630552;1397813299;fluffypony;although it could be an interesting proposition to them
630553;1397813304;fluffypony;especially for overseas authors
630554;1397813305;mircea_popescu;meh, a few hundred bucks on yet another site account somewhere is at this point a net loss to me,
630555;1397813321;mircea_popescu;i'd have to put someone on it and everyone's overworked.
630556;1397813337;fluffypony;they don't charge
630557;1397813340;fluffypony;they take comm on sales
630558;1397813350;fluffypony;"We work on commission.  We don't charge for our ebook publishing, conversion and distribution services, and we don't sell publishing packages. We earn our commission only if we sell your book, and our commission is only 15% or less of the net, which works out to 10% of the retail price when your book sells at our retailers.  For example, a $10.00 ebook sold at one of our retail partners earns you $6.00 and earns Smashwords $1.00.  The same
630559;1397813350;fluffypony;book sold at Smashwords earns you about $8.00."
630560;1397813354;mircea_popescu;yes but they also don't do it by themselves, it seems.
630561;1397813362;mircea_popescu;so... i'd have to put someone on it.
630562;1397813392;fluffypony;they do the distribution
630563;1397813392;fluffypony;http://www.smashwords.com/distribution
630564;1397813392;ozbot;Smashwords – Distribution
630565;1397813425;fluffypony;they also provide the ISBN if there isn't one already
630566;1397813429;mircea_popescu;dude. looky here : at this point the situation is, some site somewhere provided you do some things may maybe sell your book. things such as i dunno... make an account.
630567;1397813453;mircea_popescu;now, the upside i judge at what, a few hundred bucks. cause they're not gonna sell a million copies without advertising and marketing work.
630568;1397813464;mircea_popescu;and the downside is i'd have to put "make acct with X site" on someone's workorder.
630569;1397813468;fluffypony;I get your point
630570;1397813470;mircea_popescu;aok.
630571;1397813476;mircea_popescu;then sayso omg
630572;1397813495;fluffypony;assbot: amazing point!
630573;1397813495;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
630574;1397813502;fluffypony;there :-P
630575;1397813503;mircea_popescu;lol
630576;1397813513;edlund10;:D
630577;1397813551;edlund10;i wondered - have you thought about a website like betfair for bitcoins?
630578;1397813553;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't be surpriosed if the above problem is actually most of the friction that site encounters, in its business
630579;1397813557;mircea_popescu;otherwise it's a good idea.
630580;1397813584;mircea_popescu;edlund10 yes but read http://trilema.com/2013/lets-understand-mutual-betting-together/ first
630581;1397813590;edlund10;ok
630582;1397813727;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://24.media.tumblr.com/533d12ef78db84c196c5f0f361a14a2a/tumblr_n2beoe1tDq1qdlh1io1_250.gif
630583;1397813870;fluffypony;lol
630584;1397814042;mircea_popescu;!up Skirmant
630585;1397814042;assbot;Voicing Skirmant for 30 minutes.
630586;1397814057;mircea_popescu;;;seen mike_c
630587;1397814058;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 5 hours, 54 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <mike_c> plus hard work is its own reward
630588;1397814064;mircea_popescu;mwahaha
630589;1397814071;mircea_popescu;!b 2
630590;1397814072;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1784737/plain/)
630591;1397814098;kakobrekla;....
630592;1397814124;mircea_popescu;the stones buried under the earth have SPOKEN THROUGH THE MIKE!
630593;1397814130;mircea_popescu;!up ArsKisS
630594;1397814130;assbot;Voicing ArsKisS for 30 minutes.
630595;1397814132;kakobrekla;im 12 and what is this bitcointalk?
630596;1397814149;ArsKisS;mircea_popescu, wut happens
630597;1397814156;mircea_popescu;nuttin much.
630598;1397814165;ArsKisS;+m for some reason?
630599;1397814189;mircea_popescu;yeah, gotta be in assbot's l2 wot, id witrh gribble, pm assbot !up nao.
630600;1397814305;mircea_popescu;ahaha no wai. you never got into the wot ?
630601;1397814383;ArsKisS;can you turn gribble spam off? it's annoying
630602;1397814402;ArsKisS;just my two cents
630603;1397814425;mircea_popescu;what's it do ?!
630604;1397814437;ArsKisS;spam my query every time i log in
630605;1397814446;ArsKisS;"Hey beware scammers, blah blah"
630606;1397814447;mircea_popescu;you mean assbot ?
630607;1397814450;mircea_popescu;uh.
630608;1397814454;mircea_popescu;i never get that wtf.
630609;1397814458;ArsKisS;:O
630610;1397814471;fluffypony;ArsKisS: that's an -otc thing
630611;1397814475;fluffypony;not an -assets thing
630612;1397814488;fluffypony;and it has to be there because so many people join, get pm'd, and get scammed
630613;1397814488;ArsKisS;fluffypony, still it's annoying
630614;1397814493;fluffypony;still happens on a nearly daily basis
630615;1397814496;ArsKisS;doesn't matter which channel it's on
630616;1397814511;mircea_popescu;nanotube maybe add a counter and only tell people say... 500 times they shoulds pay attention ?
630617;1397814512;fluffypony;tell nanotube then
630618;1397814517;mircea_popescu;or w/e, 50000 times
630619;1397814522;ArsKisS;fluffypony, well, if they get scammed anyway, what does the spam help?
630620;1397814537;ArsKisS;if some of us are stupid it doesn't make things better to annoy the non-stupid ones
630621;1397814539;fluffypony;lol ArsKisS, I'm not responsible for gribble, I was just explaining the rationale
630622;1397814541;mircea_popescu;ArsKisS it probably alleviates the conscxience of the people running -otc ?
630623;1397814550;ArsKisS;fluffypony, i didn't say you are :P
630624;1397814581;mircea_popescu;anyway, there should be a noob channel where people kindergarten their first year(s) in btc
630625;1397814599;mircea_popescu;and that place'd be all full of... annoying kindergarterisms. like... "remember to brush your teeth!"
630626;1397814841;kakobrekla;12:53.02 ( +mircea_popescu ) [11:49:40] anyway, there should be a noob channel where people kindergarten their first year(s) in btc < all but -assets ?
630627;1397814872;mircea_popescu;all butt ass! &ets
630628;1397814888;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla it turns out, by the way, that the ~average~ open bitbet is 20 btc pool.
630629;1397814892;mircea_popescu;the.average.
630630;1397814914;mircea_popescu;!up thi
630631;1397814914;assbot;Voicing thi for 30 minutes.
630632;1397814915;mircea_popescu;!up ThickAsThieves
630633;1397814915;assbot;Voicing ThickAsThieves for 30 minutes.
630634;1397814920;ThickAsThieves;heyo
630635;1397814931;kakobrekla;;;calc 14246/800
630636;1397814931;gribble;17.8075
630637;1397814939;kakobrekla;almost.
630638;1397814942;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves quick impersonate TheRealThickAsThieves and say embarassing things
630639;1397814954;ThickAsThieves;i responded to you tweet for you
630640;1397814955;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla that's historical.
630641;1397814960;ThickAsThieves;free customer service for coinroll
630642;1397814961;kakobrekla;;;calc 9223/14246
630643;1397814962;gribble;0.647409799242
630644;1397814967;kakobrekla;eh
630645;1397814969;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1753.6619918169 / 88
630646;1397814969;gribble;19.9279771797
630647;1397814977;kakobrekla;;;calc 14246/9223
630648;1397814978;gribble;1.54461671907
630649;1397814986;mircea_popescu;fucking hell, btc went up 10x over this year, avg bet went up 10%
630650;1397814997;kakobrekla;terrible!
630651;1397815013;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/457093668428840960 << that you ?
630652;1397815020;ThickAsThieves;yessir
630653;1397815024;mircea_popescu;o hey, cool
630654;1397815024;kakobrekla;where did you get 1750
630655;1397815047;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla from this log.
630656;1397815068;kakobrekla;hm?
630657;1397815070;ThickAsThieves;i was dreaming that the vip guys were in a brawl in a field and i dove in to rumble then there was a tick in my glove and the hotel phone rang
630658;1397815076;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 published it
630659;1397815084;kakobrekla;ah that.
630660;1397815089;kakobrekla;yes.
630661;1397815102;mircea_popescu;o you gotta be kidding me
630662;1397815105;kakobrekla;anyway both results are near
630663;1397815107;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot Mats_cd03
630664;1397815107;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Mats_cd03: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Mats_cd03 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Mats_cd03 | Rated since: never
630665;1397815108;kakobrekla;could be variation
630666;1397815110;mircea_popescu;!up Mats_cd03
630667;1397815110;assbot;Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
630668;1397815111;kakobrekla;or whatever.
630669;1397815128;mircea_popescu;;;rate Mats_cd03 He does things with numbers.
630670;1397815129;gribble;Error: 'He' is not a valid integer.
630671;1397815132;mircea_popescu;;;rate Mats_cd03 1 He does things with numbers.
630672;1397815133;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
630673;1397815143;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 srsly. wotify will youz.
630674;1397815175;mircea_popescu;so if these idjits manage to bomb israel off the face of the map and then we rebuild wit with bitcoin
630675;1397815181;mircea_popescu;do you guise think satoshi will return ?
630676;1397815188;fluffypony;we can rebuild it. we have the technology.
630677;1397815200;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: serious question or joke?
630678;1397815210;mircea_popescu;it's never clear with me.
630679;1397815216;fluffypony;ed zachery
630680;1397815217;mircea_popescu;part of my literary skill.
630681;1397815222;fluffypony;for that book you're writing?
630682;1397815232;ThickAsThieves;satoshi wont return til he wants to fuck shit up
630683;1397815242;ThickAsThieves;which might be never
630684;1397815262;fluffypony;maybe just to screw with us he'll move some of those old coins around in like 2040
630685;1397815266;mircea_popescu;the various return-of-satoshi mysticisms will be fun to watch in the coming yearsd
630686;1397815289;ThickAsThieves;shit, people still worrying on gox to return
630687;1397815296;ThickAsThieves;http://www.savegox.com/
630688;1397815299;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves so is this scam weather piddling or notrly ?
630689;1397815316;ThickAsThieves;i like rain
630690;1397815322;mircea_popescu;yeah so is it ?
630691;1397815323;ThickAsThieves;its not even raining really
630692;1397815334;ThickAsThieves;just a lil wet out there
630693;1397815338;mircea_popescu;weird mossboy from the everglades.
630694;1397815342;mircea_popescu;"he likes rain"
630695;1397815360;ThickAsThieves;i love it
630696;1397815368;ThickAsThieves;i also love watching the sea during a storm
630697;1397815373;ThickAsThieves;so what!
630698;1397815397;kakobrekla;lol
630699;1397815425;ThickAsThieves;but neither compares to arguing bitbet rules with you
630700;1397815428;ThickAsThieves;<3
630701;1397815451;mircea_popescu;lol
630702;1397815494;ThickAsThieves;i like how this coinroll complainer doesnt even provide a tx
630703;1397815732;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves would you stop being arrogant to other people's customers!
630704;1397815784;kakobrekla;dat slander.
630705;1397815971;ThickAsThieves;how can i be elitist without being arrogant?
630706;1397815974;ThickAsThieves;or mean?
630707;1397816681;kakobrekla;are you comming down tat ?
630708;1397817382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00097564 = 13.3663 BTC [+]
630709;1397817565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2411 @ 0.00012999 = 0.3134 BTC [+] {2} 
630710;1397817566;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0644995 = 0.129 BTC [+] {2} 
630711;1397818663;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0645 = 0.129 BTC [+]
630712;1397818907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9007 @ 0.00097805 = 8.8093 BTC [+] {2} 
630713;1397819151;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 47 @ 0.0645 = 3.0315 BTC [+]
630714;1397819334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18726 @ 0.00097496 = 18.2571 BTC [-] {2} 
630715;1397820249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
630716;1397820493;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1970 @ 0.00010031 = 0.1976 BTC [-] {7} 
630717;1397820731;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: what's mpex's stance/your thoughts on companies that raise funds in BTC, but then don't only accept payment in BTC (and thus possibly being profitable from a fiat perspective, but not entirely from a BTC perspective) ?
630718;1397821042;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.50050002 = 2.002 BTC [+] {3} 
630719;1397821103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 6500 @ 0.0001517 = 0.9861 BTC [+] {17} 
630720;1397821164;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 613 @ 0.0001865 = 0.1143 BTC [+]
630721;1397821225;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4400 @ 0.00018918 = 0.8324 BTC [+] {6} 
630722;1397821623;fluffypony;welp
630723;1397821624;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/
630724;1397821624;ozbot;The full picture of former Neo & Bee employees : Bitcoin
630725;1397822071;Duffer1;" that we in fact lost 2480 bitcoins in Mt. Gox" >> wow.. what wow
630726;1397822104;fluffypony;I'll hazard that he has a lot more on his person, but let's see
630727;1397822324;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.065 = 0.195 BTC [+]
630728;1397822423;Duffer1;scammers always do
630729;1397822454;Duffer1;i'm curious if the above neobeeq buyer is dyslexic..
630730;1397822485;Duffer1;or maybe someone cursed with reallly bad timing
630731;1397822746;fluffypony;lol
630732;1397822755;fluffypony;the timing does seem to be interesting
630733;1397822759;fluffypony;maybe they live in hope
630734;1397822777;Duffer1;:/
630735;1397822800;Duffer1;in this space if you don't keep your own money there is no hope
630736;1397822854;fluffypony;I never understood the need to IPO on multiple exchanges
630737;1397822877;Apocalyptic;more potential "liquidity" to drain from
630738;1397822892;fluffypony;Apocalyptic: yeah, but that just screams scammy
630739;1397823726;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.51 = 2.55 BTC [+]
630740;1397823929;bounce;"The goal of this IPO is to IPO on as many exchanges as possible."
630741;1397823975;fluffypony;heh
630742;1397823976;bounce;really should start another company. walkaway coins, financial hiking services.
630743;1397824058;Apocalyptic;bounce, what's the area you're servicing ?
630744;1397824081;Apocalyptic;i do love me some hiking
630745;1397824151;bounce;the valleys and the hills of the land of bitcoin. but maybe there's room for an ipo or two on some fiat exchanges.
630746;1397824214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [+]
630747;1397824215;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+]
630748;1397824249;Apocalyptic;mtgox is a nice hill
630749;1397824275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.065 = 0.195 BTC [+]
630750;1397824286;Apocalyptic;too bad it's closed for bad weather
630751;1397825159;fluffypony;"Danny Brewster was GOX'ED. His creditors and employees were BEE'ED. If YOU don't want to be LOCAL'ED, CBASE'D or BITSTAMP'ED please, please, please with sugar on top, check out the new Armory cold storage wallet"
630752;1397825160;fluffypony;lol
630753;1397825190;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0523 = 0.2615 BTC [-]
630754;1397825373;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.00594282 = 0.1783 BTC [+] {5} 
630755;1397825434;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.0001686 = 0.1686 BTC [-] {2} 
630756;1397825678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-] {2} 
630757;1397826654;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1667 @ 0.0001605 = 0.2676 BTC [-]
630758;1397826715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2333 @ 0.00015995 = 0.3732 BTC [-] {2} 
630759;1397826776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.501 BTC [-]
630760;1397826837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 667 @ 0.00015969 = 0.1065 BTC [-]
630761;1397827142;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.08 = 0.4 BTC [-] {2} 
630762;1397827569;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.491 BTC [-]
630763;1397827997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [+]
630764;1397828179;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00015061 = 0.1506 BTC [+]
630765;1397828362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00014969 = 0.1497 BTC [-]
630766;1397828850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00013116 = 0.3935 BTC [-] {6} 
630767;1397829201;numerisTrade;hey all
630768;1397829478;TestingUnoDosTre;Hey der mate
630769;1397832754;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3075 @ 0.00013093 = 0.4026 BTC [+] {5} 
630770;1397832888;mrstickball;.
630771;1397833059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00097275 = 1.8482 BTC [-]
630772;1397833608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.02799999 = 0.112 BTC [+] {2} 
630773;1397833609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06475005 = 0.259 BTC [-] {2} 
630774;1397833669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.02716019 = 0.4074 BTC [-] {3} 
630775;1397833730;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.02665335 = 0.3998 BTC [-] {3} 
630776;1397833974;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.06300005 = 2.016 BTC [-] {5} 
630777;1397833975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00013256 = 0.1326 BTC [-] {2} 
630778;1397834190;TestingUnoDosTre;So much action in the chat today
630779;1397834319;artifexd;Why internet chat if you're in a bar chatting in person?
630780;1397834386;TestingUnoDosTre;Well it's 10am where I am and I'm at work. Need some stimulation
630781;1397834402;TestingUnoDosTre;Also, sometimes the crowd at the bar is trash
630782;1397834584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05315 = 0.1063 BTC [+] {2} 
630783;1397834645;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02804974 = 0.2244 BTC [+] {5} 
630784;1397834889;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC
630785;1397835438;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.00056684 = 0.8503 BTC [-] {6} 
630786;1397835439;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05345 = 0.1604 BTC [+] {2} 
630787;1397835545;artifexd;TestingUnoDosTre: It is to this that I refer: http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/
630788;1397835560;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2315 @ 0.00013792 = 0.3193 BTC [+] {3} 
630789;1397835563;TestingUnoDosTre;Ahhh didn't see you were there
630790;1397835570;TestingUnoDosTre;Knew it was going on
630791;1397835626;TestingUnoDosTre;What's your enterprise artifexd?
630792;1397835666;artifexd;I'm not there. I'm at work.
630793;1397835670;artifexd;I'd like to be there. My wife tells me that I shall go next year.
630794;1397835715;fluffypony;artifexd: so say we all
630795;1397835782;artifexd;As for my enterprise, I endeavor to turn desires into running code.
630796;1397835811;artifexd;You? What do you do?
630797;1397835884;artifexd;;;gettrust ericmuyser
630798;1397835885;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user artifexd to user ericmuyser: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=artifexd&dest=ericmuyser | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ericmuyser | Rated since: Mon Jul  1 01:35:49 2013
630799;1397835889;artifexd;;;gettrust assbot ericmuyser
630800;1397835889;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ericmuyser: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=ericmuyser | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ericmuyser | Rated since: Mon Jul  1 01:35:49 2013
630801;1397835896;artifexd;!up ericmuyser
630802;1397835896;assbot;Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.
630803;1397835971;jurov;Hi all, we arrived in hotel, where's everyone?
630804;1397836001;fluffypony;mircea_popescu
630805;1397836008;jurov;Afk at a bar I guess :)
630806;1397836012;fluffypony;actually he's been idle for 5 hours
630807;1397836017;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: you around?
630808;1397836041;fluffypony;!up sheldonthomas
630809;1397836041;assbot;Voicing sheldonthomas for 30 minutes.
630810;1397836043;fluffypony;ah crap
630811;1397836065;artifexd;lol
630812;1397836073;artifexd;Well, if he comes back...
630813;1397836075;fluffypony;yeah
630814;1397836077;fluffypony;I hope he does
630815;1397836165;jurov;I have found the phone number I used last year :)
630816;1397836353;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1000 @ 0.00012879 = 0.1288 BTC [-] {3} 
630817;1397836414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05348 = 0.2139 BTC [+]
630818;1397836765;TestingUnoDosTre;I install cnc machines. Have a bachelor is mechanical engr
630819;1397836826;TestingUnoDosTre;in*
630820;1397836841;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.03408630 BTC to 8`421 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
630821;1397836902;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0509875 = 0.204 BTC [-] {2} 
630822;1397836903;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 47.39894586 BTC to 8`421 shares, 562866 satoshi per share
630823;1397836963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.04806276 = 0.8171 BTC [-] {4} 
630824;1397836990;BingoBoingo;!up sheldonthomas
630825;1397836990;assbot;Voice for sheldonthomas extended to 30 minutes.
630826;1397836996;BingoBoingo;Hello sheldonthomas
630827;1397837040;fluffypony;hi sheldonthomas
630828;1397837045;fluffypony;how can we be of excellent service
630829;1397837146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.02922221 = 0.263 BTC [+] {5} 
630830;1397837329;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
630831;1397837390;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
630832;1397837451;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04370199 = 0.437 BTC [-] {5} 
630833;1397837642;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
630834;1397837650;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 485.0, vol: 13236.39024268 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 468.168, vol: 9579.87188 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 483.0, vol: 11093.98497028 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 498.75, vol: 132.08974986 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 477.7611, vol: 4106.69150000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 483.51723, vol: 32.45623623 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 497.078286477, vol: 89.92950233 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
630835;1397837659;BingoBoingo;;;more
630836;1397837659;gribble;average: 479.50477584
630837;1397837695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00097099 = 10.778 BTC [-] {2} 
630838;1397838000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 800 @ 0.00017291 = 0.1383 BTC [-]
630839;1397838062;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02825002 = 0.2825 BTC [-] {6} 
630840;1397838123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5049999 BTC [+]
630841;1397838245;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 11 @ 0.01019666 = 0.1122 BTC [+] {2} 
630842;1397838408;BingoBoingo;!up chmod755
630843;1397838408;assbot;Voicing chmod755 for 30 minutes.
630844;1397838427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0649999 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2} 
630845;1397838489;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 412 @ 0.00069864 = 0.2878 BTC [+] {3} 
630846;1397838490;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0435 = 0.174 BTC [-] {2} 
630847;1397838520;fluffypony;so on the back of this Neo&Bee scam
630848;1397838551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 369 @ 0.00069866 = 0.2578 BTC [+]
630849;1397838552;fluffypony;someone http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/cgvnixi?context=1
630850;1397838574;fluffypony;suggested that future IPOs could use a multi-sig wallet for funds raised
630851;1397838582;chmod755;BingoBoingo, Thank you
630852;1397838593;BingoBoingo;chmod755: You're welcome
630853;1397838595;fluffypony;and have a small supervisory board elected among the shareholders
630854;1397838601;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust assbot chmod755
630855;1397838601;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user chmod755: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=chmod755 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=chmod755 | Rated since: Tue Jan 11 18:32:01 2011
630856;1397838618;fluffypony;who will control the keys to that wallet (along with the CEO/CFO/chief bigwig/whatever)
630857;1397838658;TestingUnoDosTre;So what are your thoughts
630858;1397838662;artifexd;I'd be so much richer if I had found this channel a year ago....
630859;1397838688;artifexd;Not from investing in things I found here, but from not losing money from investing in things not found here.
630860;1397838696;artifexd;Ugh
630861;1397838699;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: The solution is more along the lines of, if the woodchipper eats your right arm, don't offer it your left.
630862;1397838714;fluffypony;well, it wouldn't make spending too difficult (maybe make it a 3 of N multisig, for eg., or even less - 2 of N), but to make scamming more difficult and thus require not only the manipulation of the market but also the manipulation of the (more competent) investor pool
630863;1397838778;BingoBoingo;http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/chronicleonline/obituary.aspx?n=david-w-cummings&pid=170658931
630864;1397838778;ozbot;David W. Cummings Obituary: View David Cummings's Obituary by Citrus County Chronicle
630865;1397838787;BingoBoingo;"Pervert Dave"
630866;1397838797;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: there are always going to be *new* people with arms to stick in woodchippers
630867;1397838829;fluffypony;and there's always going to be another ProtoShares or BitcoinBourse or whatever
630868;1397838841;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Well you put out signs like "Here be Woodchipper"
630869;1397838847;fluffypony;yes
630870;1397838857;fluffypony;or "must be this high to stick arm in woodchipper"
630871;1397838871;fluffypony;and by high I'm not referring to stature
630872;1397838900;TestingUnoDosTre;Hahaha
630873;1397838928;fluffypony;I think it's an interesting proposition
630874;1397838963;TestingUnoDosTre;Why wouldn't you just raise the funds by smaller batches
630875;1397838989;mrstickball;I would think that Bitcoin needs to integrate a WoT mechanism endemic to private keys
630876;1397838998;TestingUnoDosTre;Give people a projected spending and revenue for the quarter
630877;1397839001;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: nobody does tranches, and when they do they generally do it badly
630878;1397839010;mrstickball;so if you want to send an address, a trust rating can be attached to said address to verify authenticity/legitimacy if the user desires such
630879;1397839034;mrstickball;you know what'd solve such large IPO issues? Due dilligance
630880;1397839048;mrstickball;10 bitcoins says Havelock never met the owner/operators of NeoBee IRL
630881;1397839068;fluffypony;mrstickball: with Neo&Bee there was due diligence from ThickAsThieves among others
630882;1397839080;mrstickball;did TAT meet with them in person?
630883;1397839087;fluffypony;afaik he went to Cyprus
630884;1397839091;mrstickball;ah
630885;1397839093;mrstickball;interesting
630886;1397839159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4152 @ 0.00097275 = 4.0389 BTC [+]
630887;1397839400;BingoBoingo;Well, not all dilligence is actual dilligence
630888;1397839477;fluffypony;yes
630889;1397839488;fluffypony;and if you have a charming enough frontman you can be convinced of many things
630890;1397839647;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0291675 = 0.175 BTC [-] {4} 
630891;1397840013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00097881 = 16.7377 BTC [+] {2} 
630892;1397840162;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cp8h/my_take_on_what_happened_with_neo_bee_after/
630893;1397840811;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/scam-openrigs-com.267678/
630894;1397840843;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: already replied
630895;1397840853;fluffypony;apparently I'm a support channel
630896;1397840863;BingoBoingo;Well, what's the whole story it is hard to find the original threads
630897;1397840868;fluffypony;oh
630898;1397840880;fluffypony;when we launched we had a shipping option called surface mail
630899;1397840884;fluffypony;which is basically over the sea
630900;1397840895;fluffypony;but it's not by ship directly to the destination port
630901;1397840910;fluffypony;it goes through the normal routing, but by ship, so it's extremely slow
630902;1397840911;fluffypony;2-3 months
630903;1397840924;fluffypony;of course, because it's the cheapest, like 70% of the people went for it
630904;1397840924;BingoBoingo;So... Somali Pirates ate the rigs?
630905;1397840932;fluffypony;and we shipped their order
630906;1397840947;fluffypony;no, they all arrived, we haven't had a lost shipment yet
630907;1397840952;fluffypony;but they do take ~10 weeks to the US
630908;1397840957;fluffypony;and there's literally nothing you can do in the interim
630909;1397840977;BingoBoingo;...
630910;1397840992;fluffypony;so
630911;1397841016;fluffypony;a lot of people complained, and we removed the shipping option
630912;1397841025;fluffypony;because it's unpredictable as well
630913;1397841029;fluffypony;5 weeks to the UK
630914;1397841033;fluffypony;then suddenly 10 weeks
630915;1397841072;fluffypony;all the guys with large orders (>$500) are chilled, because they read the timelines during checkout, they understood how long it could take
630916;1397841090;fluffypony;it's the guy with an $80 order that complains the loudest
630917;1397841131;fluffypony;even when people confirm the timeline: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-openrigs-com-aluminium-frames-for-mining-rigs.262873/page-15#post-5692124
630918;1397841154;fluffypony;you still have idiots that insist it's impossible
630919;1397841174;fluffypony;and that they can ship stuff from China for 1/10th of the price and 80x the weight and it arrives in 2 days
630920;1397841199;BingoBoingo;Well, China is good at exporting.
630921;1397841208;*;fluffypony nods
630922;1397841225;fluffypony;their postal service pricing is better than ours
630923;1397841230;fluffypony;at any rate
630924;1397841237;fluffypony;that's why we've now got a US and an EU distributor
630925;1397841251;fluffypony;saves all that hassle
630926;1397841263;fluffypony;and people can get it in 3 days instead of 3 months
630927;1397841355;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06695 = 0.1339 BTC [+]
630928;1397841376;BingoBoingo;Still, how was this idea born? Manufactering and shipping from South Africa... A country that just really isn't so good at shipping.
630929;1397841421;fluffypony;to be fair, our post office's EMS shipments have been amazing and reasonably priced (they charge on actual weight, not volumetric, and deliveries have been 5-9 days worldwide)
630930;1397841421;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
630931;1397841426;*;fluffypony hugs assbot
630932;1397841432;fluffypony;manufacturing here is dirt cheap
630933;1397841439;fluffypony;not as cheap as China
630934;1397841463;thestringpuller;"The C.E.O. has to be the virus," Mr. Huang said. "To build a great company, you have to kill it a bit every day."
630935;1397841477;fluffypony;but I didn't really have the urge to fly to China and setup a QC/manufacturing structure for a product that I didn't know would sell well
630936;1397841551;thestringpuller;Bingo Boingo why the drinking recrod take so long to load today?
630937;1397841573;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo ** ^^^
630938;1397841605;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Do you have a time for when that happened? I don't know and dream host doesn't know. I need times when it slows down.
630939;1397841754;thestringpuller;about 10 minutes ago the request was about 20 seconds
630940;1397841757;thestringpuller;maybe 15
630941;1397841767;thestringpuller;could be from my end tho...
630942;1397841774;thestringpuller;working fine now
630943;1397841813;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: No, these are an everybody thing it seems. I'll file another ticket.
630944;1397841821;BingoBoingo;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/234qlc/sorry_phinnaeus_gage_you_are_banned_from_using/
630945;1397841821;ozbot;Sorry Phinnaeus Gage, you are banned from using this forum Trolling : Bitcoin
630946;1397841843;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7420 @ 0.00013004 = 0.9649 BTC [-] {4} 
630947;1397841844;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.066971 = 0.8706 BTC [+]
630948;1397841858;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: they place bets for submitters on bitbet? this is news to me
630949;1397841864;thestringpuller;must go look at my bets
630950;1397841874;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: They do indeed.
630951;1397841942;thestringpuller;well wow I might have not given an address
630952;1397842015;thestringpuller;bitcoinassets is empty cause all the smart people are in romanias
630953;1397842025;thestringpuller;doing illuminati shit
630954;1397842036;BingoBoingo;Yeah, but the good kind of illuminati shit
630955;1397842087;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
630956;1397842209;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02989993 = 0.1495 BTC [+] {3} 
630957;1397842210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 4200 @ 0.00010213 = 0.4289 BTC [-] {8} 
630958;1397842213;TestingUnoDosTre;Hahaha
630959;1397842258;TestingUnoDosTre;How is neobee still trading?
630960;1397842268;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: rats + sinking ship
630961;1397842278;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Because Havelock is part of the problem
630962;1397842281;BingoBoingo;https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/answers-questions-about-military-law-enforcement-and-intelligence-agency-chatbots
630963;1397842281;ozbot;Answers and Questions About Military, Law Enforcement and Intelligence Agency Chatbots | Electronic
630964;1397842292;BingoBoingo;Which of you fuckers are bots.
630965;1397842327;thestringpuller;;;google site:bitbet.us and then there was one
630966;1397842328;gribble;BitBet - And Then There Was One: <http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/>; BitBet: <http://bitbet.us/?ref=16UBio12EWjif3aSk1f1tohxokbjGTAhAf>; BitBet: <http://bitbet.us/?ref=1DV1uHYMJxC6m7Yewn9YhtN3BKDRJYoC8Q>
630967;1397842331;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.045 = 0.135 BTC [+] {3} 
630968;1397842332;thestringpuller;soon enough
630969;1397842366;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: well, I didn't want to say it, but....
630970;1397842392;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02999999 = 0.21 BTC [+]
630971;1397842393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.045 = 0.315 BTC [+]
630972;1397842394;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.067 = 0.402 BTC [+]
630973;1397842398;BingoBoingo;OMG fluffypony's wife is a photoshop!!!
630974;1397842410;fluffypony;no no no...she's lovingly rendered
630975;1397842521;BingoBoingo;Autodesk?
630976;1397842569;fluffypony;SketchUp
630977;1397842579;fluffypony;I'm not an advanced enough AI to use an Autodesk product
630978;1397842633;danielpbarron;heh, I bet on that one
630979;1397842962;fluffypony;what is this sheldonthomas doing
630980;1397843045;fluffypony;http://elm-chan.org/docs/wire/wcd.jpeg
630981;1397843066;fluffypony;that's insane
630982;1397843074;fluffypony;http://elm-chan.org/docs/wire/wiring_e.html - apparently it's a thing
630983;1397843074;ozbot;ELM - Extreme Wiring on the Prototyping Board
630984;1397844040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0049105 = 0.2308 BTC [-] {2} 
630985;1397844345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56022 @ 0.00097929 = 54.8618 BTC [+] {2} 
630986;1397844772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00098147 = 5.2018 BTC [+] {2} 
630987;1397844954;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04400006 = 0.176 BTC [-] {2} 
630988;1397845381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.06691739 = 1.5391 BTC [-] {2} 
630989;1397845442;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 75 @ 0.06705 = 5.0288 BTC [+]
630990;1397845662;TestingUnoDosTre;BingoBongo can we get someone to flood Sgt STAR with questions so he becomes laggy?
630991;1397845764;danielpbarron;as per recommendations from users in this channel, I have sold my XCP; still got a lot to learn..
630992;1397845914;TestingUnoDosTre;Xcp is mastercoin?
630993;1397846011;danielpbarron;counterparty
630994;1397846161;fluffypony;that's that thing that allows you to "invest" in anonymous "companies" that don't need to demonstrate they have any ability to earn money, right?
630995;1397846209;danielpbarron;pretty much
630996;1397846235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5700 @ 0.00010207 = 0.5818 BTC [-] {7} 
630997;1397846246;TestingUnoDosTre;Never heard of it. Gotta keep up on my scamcoin news
630998;1397846291;fluffypony;danielpbarron: don't get me wrong, I love the idea of a decentralised exchange, but the idea of just about anyone anonymously running an unregistered, unregulated company just seems to be asking for trouble
630999;1397846331;danielpbarron;fluffypony: yeah, I really like the idea too, and I think it could work fine for really small scale trivial stuff
631000;1397846565;mrstickball;the problem is that until you have full compliance with governments (just like with exchanges), the government can come in and can anyone for any reason
631001;1397846577;mrstickball;and given the number of securities that are both unregistered AND scams... is a problem
631002;1397846647;fluffypony;mrstickball: agreed
631003;1397846662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00098196 = 3.0441 BTC [+]
631004;1397846735;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: I don't really see the point in that
631005;1397846967;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06709998 = 0.3355 BTC [+] {2} 
631006;1397847089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00098217 = 9.8708 BTC [+] {3} 
631007;1397847150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0671 = 0.1342 BTC [+]
631008;1397847638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 54.99062536 BTC to 80`674 shares, 68164 satoshi per share
631009;1397847760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0671 = 0.2013 BTC [+]
631010;1397847821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0671 = 0.2013 BTC [+]
631011;1397848004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
631012;1397848065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01019667 = 0.102 BTC [+]
631013;1397848309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10424 @ 0.00097947 = 10.21 BTC [-] {2} 
631014;1397848309;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0671 = 0.1342 BTC [+]
631015;1397848492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00097823 = 27.7817 BTC [-] {3} 
631016;1397848675;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 349 @ 0.14 = 48.86 BTC
631017;1397848919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04400006 = 0.176 BTC [-]
631018;1397849041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0671 = 0.1342 BTC [+]
631019;1397849102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0671 = 0.3355 BTC [+]
631020;1397849407;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04499882 = 0.135 BTC [+]
631021;1397849712;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0671 = 0.8052 BTC [+] {3} 
631022;1397850322;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 384 @ 0.14 = 53.76 BTC
631023;1397850383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.0009833 = 11.6521 BTC [+]
631024;1397850937;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/18/pitching-prognostication-tanaka/
631025;1397850938;ozbot;Pitching Prognostication: Tanaka | Bingo Blog
631026;1397851018;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: plz explain like I'm not a baseball person?
631027;1397851065;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: I did half of that already, the rest is between you and a reference work on the subject.
631028;1397851106;fluffypony;fine
631029;1397851112;fluffypony;make me do actual work on a Friday night
631030;1397851160;BingoBoingo;Still friday afternoon here. Have yet to go to the liquor store.
631031;1397851161;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: you a baseball fan?
631032;1397851167;thestringpuller;I LOVE BASEBALL
631033;1397851172;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Yeah
631034;1397851176;cgcardona_;friday morning here. bright and early
631035;1397851188;thestringpuller;I usually get
631036;1397851192;thestringpuller;season tickets to the braves
631037;1397851197;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Best sport for casual drinking while watching.
631038;1397851198;thestringpuller;or a half season pack
631039;1397851199;BingoBoingo;Nice.
631040;1397851201;thestringpuller;Yea man!
631041;1397851207;thestringpuller;i love to drink at baseball
631042;1397851209;thestringpuller;high as shit
631043;1397851210;BingoBoingo;Braves always have a solid team.
631044;1397851219;thestringpuller;yea but they have trouble with dem playoffs
631045;1397851222;cgcardona_;I saw the giants once in SF last year. but that was it.
631046;1397851240;cgcardona_;i saw roger waters the wall at the same stadium. that was fucking insane
631047;1397851244;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: You had the 90's though
631048;1397851248;*;fluffypony saw a handful of Cards games
631049;1397851250;BingoBoingo;Nice cgcardona_
631050;1397851265;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: At Busch II or Busch III
631051;1397851272;TestingUnoDosTre;Twins suck so bad you can get tickets for like 15 dollars
631052;1397851294;thestringpuller;i wasn't even in atlanta in the 90's
631053;1397851294;TestingUnoDosTre;The beers cost about as much as the tickets
631054;1397851310;thestringpuller;smuggle your own beer in!
631055;1397851314;cgcardona_;that's for sure. geez
631056;1397851323;cgcardona_;i take a vape pen in now. WIN
631057;1397851338;cgcardona_;its so common in SF that you can just get away with it and noone says anything
631058;1397851349;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: I don't know - it was in May 2010?
631059;1397851410;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: That'd be Busch III, first season there was in 2006
631060;1397851432;fluffypony;cool
631061;1397851440;thestringpuller;edibles are just as good
631062;1397851448;thestringpuller;eat a cheba chew while tailgating
631063;1397851451;thestringpuller;oh god
631064;1397851456;thestringpuller;why can't it be may yet
631065;1397851482;fluffypony;it was fun, and I enjoyed the food/booze there significantly more than like 95% of the restaurants/takeout places I was hauled off to in St. Louis
631066;1397851482;cgcardona_;different time frame w/ edibles. They are just as good but you gotta wait half an hour or so. Sneaking a quick vaper is always the way to go. (if that's your thing of course)
631067;1397851811;TestingUnoDosTre;Half an hour minimum
631068;1397851884;TestingUnoDosTre;I ate some taffy and it really started kicking in after a couple hours. Guess it absorbs better after you eat a fatty meal
631069;1397852152;cgcardona_;yep.
631070;1397852917;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/ishmael/
631071;1397852918;ozbot;Ishmael | When Bitcoin Met Pete
631072;1397852945;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00283203 = 0.2832 BTC [+] {8} 
631073;1397852962;fluffypony;bitcoinpete: is this one also long?
631074;1397852983;bitcoinpete;maybe the longest yet
631075;1397852987;fluffypony;it's 10:30 and I'm 3/4 of a bottle of wine down, so not sure if I'll appreciate an article that consists of more than 4 paragraphs
631076;1397852991;fluffypony;but I'll give it a spin
631077;1397853162;fluffypony;bitcoinpete: "Bitcoiners’ sotyr"
631078;1397853189;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3342 @ 0.00010001 = 0.3342 BTC [-] {2} 
631079;1397853296;bitcoinpete;myeah, it's basically s/takers/fiaters, s/leavers/bitcoiners
631080;1397853566;fluffypony;Ishmael sure does a lot of frowning
631081;1397853571;fluffypony;but he seems like a nice bloke
631082;1397853677;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0671 = 0.4026 BTC [+]
631083;1397853738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0671 = 0.2013 BTC [+]
631084;1397853914;bitcoinpete;fluffypony: he is a nice bloke. he's also a giant ape lol
631085;1397853938;fluffypony;bitcoinpete: I have friends who are giant apes, so that's ok then :)
631086;1397854020;bitcoinpete;http://ansonchi.webng.com/ishmael_by_daniel_quinn.pdf
631087;1397854035;thestringpuller;channel needs more lulz
631088;1397854105;fluffypony;thestringpuller: I regularly provide lulz at market rates
631089;1397854190;bitcoinpete;http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/internet/southpark/
631090;1397854190;ozbot;Project Free TV :: Southpark
631091;1397854226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0671 = 0.4026 BTC [+]
631092;1397854287;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0671 = 0.5368 BTC [+]
631093;1397854646;artifexd;http://trilema.com/2014/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself/ <- I'm glad he added the disclaimer at the beginning because i did not, in fact, understand it.
631094;1397854647;ozbot;Advanced WoT course : how the WoT is attacked, and how it defends itself. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mi
631095;1397854653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 100 @ 0.00674514 = 0.6745 BTC [-] {11} 
631096;1397854666;thestringpuller;artifexd: think reddit in the wot
631097;1397854694;bitcoinpete;;;later tell mircea_popescu if tatiana is available for the third conference, you can judge her for yourself ;)
631098;1397854694;gribble;The operation succeeded.
631099;1397854715;artifexd;I got the whole "If too much of the wot acts in unison, it largely defeats the point of a wot" part. It was the last part about only witnessing half the herp derping that lost me.
631100;1397854745;artifexd;What does "herps derps legit things" mean?
631101;1397854819;thestringpuller;well the example of the teacher an non paying attention students
631102;1397854897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00101 = 8.484 BTC [+]
631103;1397854952;artifexd;And....
631104;1397855139;thestringpuller;that's pretty much it
631105;1397855155;thestringpuller;the WoT could be infiltrated by script kiddies who all rate each other and work in tandem like group think of reddit
631106;1397855172;thestringpuller;so the minorirty becomes the actual trustworthy people such as mircea_popescu or kako
631107;1397855195;artifexd;What does "herps derps legit things" mean?
631108;1397855294;thestringpuller;they fuck up a legit thing
631109;1397855376;artifexd;So actors A and B were good, trustworthy people until they fucked up. But actor C only sees one of them fuck up.  <- Am I tracking so far?
631110;1397855414;thestringpuller;yea
631111;1397855437;artifexd;Then kakobrekla says "How does that help?" How does that help what and in what way?
631112;1397855493;mrstickball;I think you could have independent audits of the WoT to verify legitimacy
631113;1397855504;thestringpuller;...
631114;1397855507;mrstickball;its not hard to use a script to defeat automated Reddit WOT bots, too
631115;1397855520;thestringpuller;that's not what he's talking about
631116;1397855551;mrstickball;you mentioned script kiddies using bots to upvote/ect
631117;1397855566;artifexd;Well it wouldn't be just script kiddies and bots. If mircea_popescu were to rate someone as something and then everyone else in here were to rate that same person as that same thing, it would have the same effect.
631118;1397855569;thestringpuller;yes in tandem, but the problem is the n nodes ignore the script kiddies
631119;1397855576;thestringpuller;at random points
631120;1397855632;fluffypony;so then is it a matter of macroscopic vs. microscopic views of the WoT as it relates to a single entity within the WoT?
631121;1397855752;thestringpuller;suppose I herp derp someone, n(1) sees it but n(2) does not
631122;1397855758;thestringpuller;that's where the problem arises
631123;1397855767;thestringpuller;because n(1) and n(2) don't group think
631124;1397855816;fluffypony;yes
631125;1397855829;artifexd;How is that a problem? n(1) could rate you appropriately. n(2) could not.
631126;1397855847;fluffypony;so if n(2) had a macroscopic view they would see the rating given by n(1) ?
631127;1397855884;artifexd;n(2) would probably look at all the ratings given to thestringpuller and make his own jugement.
631128;1397855896;fluffypony;one would hope so
631129;1397855949;artifexd;And in doing so, group think should be visible.
631130;1397855953;fluffypony;thus the issue only arises when n(2) maintains a microscopic view and disregards the WoT in favour of observed or hearsay indications of "trust"
631131;1397855954;artifexd;Take a look at http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=aethero&sign=ANY&type=RECV
631132;1397856009;artifexd;There are multiple ratings that exist only to move aethero's rating in a specific direction.
631133;1397856014;thestringpuller;artifexd: no not at all. that would be groupthink. n(2) did not see what n(1) did so to rate me is to group think
631134;1397856044;fluffypony;right, so sort by rating, talk to those with the most positive and most negative stories
631135;1397856055;fluffypony;take with a pinch of salt and make up our own mind
631136;1397856056;artifexd;If n(2) were to rate you based soley on n(1)'s rating, yeah, that'd be groupthink.
631137;1397856103;artifexd;I had assumed in your example that n(2) didn't rate you at all for that specific scenario.
631138;1397856178;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0672 = 0.4032 BTC [+] {2} 
631139;1397856238;thestringpuller;so?
631140;1397856306;artifexd;Groupthink is the problem, right? At least as far as it is not immediately visible as such.
631141;1397856352;fluffypony;sleep time, cheers
631142;1397856370;thestringpuller;yup
631143;1397856379;kakobrekla;and remember kids, no brain, no tumor.
631144;1397856439;artifexd;kakobrekla: Is that article from #bitcoin-assets logs or a summary of a verbal discussion.
631145;1397856449;artifexd;It feels like much is missing.
631146;1397856473;kakobrekla;its from pms
631147;1397856507;kakobrekla;but theres nothing missing really.
631148;1397856517;artifexd;Can you explain what sx and sy are?
631149;1397856544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04499999 = 0.135 BTC [+] {2} 
631150;1397856547;kakobrekla;sybil entities
631151;1397856590;artifexd;The phrase "ignoring what I suspect to be sx" throws me.
631152;1397856594;thestringpuller;artifexd: have you looked at the wiki article yet? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack
631153;1397856626;artifexd;I have not. A sybil attack is something that I thought I understood.
631154;1397856656;thestringpuller;just apply it to WoT and you'll understand the convo
631155;1397856732;artifexd;OH! When he says sx and sy, he is referring to nodes, but more specifically, they are malicious nodes.
631156;1397856752;artifexd;So "suspect to be sx" means "suspect to be a malicious node".
631157;1397856771;kakobrekla;right
631158;1397856773;artifexd;With that in mind, re-reading...
631159;1397856782;kakobrekla;ima gonna get a shower.
631160;1397856979;thestringpuller;i hope there is a hot chick in that shower with you kakobrekla
631161;1397857024;artifexd;<kakobrekla> Ok, lets assume a simple case, with s1 and s2 which are both legit.  <- If we go with s and n as malicious/legit modifiers, how can s1 and s2 be legit?
631162;1397857114;artifexd;<kakobrekla> So now each of them herps derps legit things. You see half of it.  <- That now reads as they both make legitimate ratings but "you" only pays attention to one of the ratings.
631163;1397857248;artifexd;mircea_popescu is saying that if I were to see both ratings I would have a view of what happened such that I wouldn't need to ask anything about it, but, if I ignored one of the ratings, I would have a different view of what happened such that I would need to investigate more and thus possibly expose a falsified event?
631164;1397857417;thestringpuller;reeds moar game theory
631165;1397857434;artifexd;Apparently I must\
631166;1397857596;kakobrekla;should be "n1 and n2 which are both legit"
631167;1397857601;kakobrekla;the convo was edited.
631168;1397857612;kakobrekla;(condensed a bit)
631169;1397857678;kakobrekla;and "herps derps legit things" meaning talking about legit things which the author assumes is not legit, thats why the herp and derp
631170;1397857781;thestringpuller;ah
631171;1397857813;kakobrekla;theres a slight possibility
631172;1397857823;kakobrekla;well
631173;1397857826;kakobrekla;nevermind.
631174;1397857836;TestingUnoDosTre;I thought it meant rates something legit as if it were illegitimate
631175;1397857883;kakobrekla;well, gotta leave something for people to wonder about in the following centuries
631176;1397858008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00013494 = 0.6747 BTC [-] {5} 
631177;1397858416;*;thestringpuller toasts to the bitcoin illuminati.
631178;1397858435;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.50315 = 2.0126 BTC [-] {2} 
631179;1397858557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8506 @ 0.0010072 = 8.5672 BTC [-]
631180;1397858766;artifexd;kakobrekla: It would be awesome if logs.bitcoin-assets.com could indicate if the person making a statement was authed with nickserv and/or ident with gribble at the time he/she made the statement. Like color coding the log entry or something.
631181;1397858876;thestringpuller;not a bad idea
631182;1397858884;thestringpuller;but you can /nick kakobrekla
631183;1397858888;thestringpuller;so freenode does that for you
631184;1397858894;danielpbarron;artifexd: I believe it does.. you can't get voice without being authed i think
631185;1397859261;kakobrekla;authed with gribble, not necessarily with nickserv
631186;1397859289;kakobrekla;or someone can !up you
631187;1397859322;kakobrekla;but we were already discussing this earlier, nickserv suck. perhaps especially on freenode
631188;1397859362;kakobrekla;not sure what the policies are on other networks
631189;1397859816;benkay;Hi. I'm not really benkay
631190;1397859836;artifexd;Yeah. gribble > nickserv
631191;1397859842;artifexd;;;ident
631192;1397859842;gribble;Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qaqujegvlibcqcrh', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None
631193;1397859879;benkay;;;ident
631194;1397859879;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qaqujegvlibcqcrh', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None
631195;1397859881;dignork;!up vcorem
631196;1397859881;assbot;Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes.
631197;1397859902;artifexd;^ that's awesome
631198;1397859971;dignork;mircea_popescu: so if you had questions to Spondoolies-Tech, vcorem is the guy
631199;1397859994;kakobrekla;what is spondoolies tech
631200;1397860005;vcorem;http://myminer.io
631201;1397860006;ozbot;Spondoolies Tech Plug&Mine
631202;1397860010;vcorem;ASIC Company
631203;1397860017;kakobrekla;o my.
631204;1397860024;vcorem;http://spminer.io
631205;1397860025;ozbot;Spondoolies-Tech
631206;1397860082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4637 @ 0.00099458 = 4.6119 BTC [-]
631207;1397861743;kakobrekla;well
631208;1397861752;kakobrekla;you did manage to get the attention of bfl shills
631209;1397861760;kakobrekla;so thats a point.
631210;1397861990;kakobrekla;this goes beyond lol
631211;1397861991;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6283131#msg6283131
631212;1397861993;ozbot;Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
631213;1397862278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00098854 = 0.1977 BTC [-]
631214;1397862364;phf;eauth phf
631215;1397862374;phf;;;eauth phf
631216;1397862374;gribble;Request successful for user phf, hostmask phf!~phf@unaffiliated/phf. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/5356DE4752432A9E
631217;1397862432;phf;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:886e192d04d17462894e8f6563810b03fbf539ffee7e1bbfa7b9de4f
631218;1397862432;gribble;Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
631219;1397862528;phf;ooh
631220;1397862933;thestringpuller;Cognitive Rises
631221;1397862936;thestringpuller;like batman
631222;1397863085;kakobrekla;thats it for tonite. later
631223;1397863277;TestingUnoDosTre;Oh my. Spicy beer, this is outrageous
631224;1397863498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00098939 = 21.3214 BTC [+]
631225;1397864962;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1349 @ 0.00070218 = 0.9472 BTC [+] {3} 
631226;1397865023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1002 @ 0.00074697 = 0.7485 BTC [+] {3} 
631227;1397865024;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51999998 BTC [+]
631228;1397865084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 484 @ 0.00081221 = 0.3931 BTC [+] {2} 
631229;1397865206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14082 @ 0.00098843 = 13.9191 BTC [-] {2} 
631230;1397867037;mircea_popescu;dignork a cool.
631231;1397867040;mircea_popescu;!up vcorem
631232;1397867040;assbot;Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes.
631233;1397867066;kakobrekla;o hi
631234;1397867068;kakobrekla;ur late
631235;1397867125;dignork;sorry mp, he is in IL, it's 3am there
631236;1397867144;kakobrekla;how is it 3am there if its 3am here
631237;1397867177;dignork;kakobrekla: IL as in Israel, UTC +2 or so
631238;1397867186;kakobrekla;a
631239;1397867187;thestringpuller;you mean chicago
631240;1397867246;mircea_popescu;artifexd a major point perhaps not so specifically stated in the article is that an actually working wot has two parts, the wot (ie, graph of relations) and the channel (ie, graph of conversations). they support each other, and the "real" wot is their juncture, in a sense.
631241;1397867263;kakobrekla;i thought he ment illanois?
631242;1397867293;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla weren't you supposed to be in bed ? :D
631243;1397867311;kakobrekla;i am!
631244;1397867314;mircea_popescu;aok.
631245;1397867323;mircea_popescu;dignork no big deal, it's 3 am here too :D
631246;1397867340;kakobrekla;just like you know like you p ointed out earlier
631247;1397867353;kakobrekla;sitting by pc is like a caffeine injection
631248;1397867359;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla dude could you believe that chick's dress ?
631249;1397867384;kakobrekla;which ??
631250;1397867392;mircea_popescu;if the forum ever finds out what she's been doing with her salary...
631251;1397867428;kakobrekla;pr's dress?
631252;1397867442;kakobrekla;im not following this
631253;1397867447;mircea_popescu;yeah.
631254;1397867458;kakobrekla;well it seemed normal to me?
631255;1397867464;kakobrekla;dunno, i dont go out much.
631256;1397867480;mircea_popescu;lol kako is a turk. sits in bed all day and smokes.
631257;1397867490;kakobrekla;lel
631258;1397867498;kakobrekla;i guess its not too far off.
631259;1397867523;kakobrekla;but i dont smoke in bed anymore.
631260;1397867549;mircea_popescu;how come ?
631261;1397867599;kakobrekla;well i guess i try to give the lungs a bit of rest each night so the bedroom is smokeless.
631262;1397867631;artifexd;mircea_popescu: It was the conversations part that led me to my suggestion about adding ident information to log.bitcoin-assets.com.  If you and I are talking right now, I can ensure that you are who I think you are (wot-wise).  But if I'm researching you and I find some stuff that your nick said in the log. I don't know if it was you or someone with your
631263;1397867631;artifexd;nick.  This, of course, assumes trust of the person maintaining the logs.
631264;1397867644;mircea_popescu;but since im voiced... i'm authed.
631265;1397867664;mircea_popescu;you see teh beauty of this.
631266;1397867673;artifexd;But are you authed as mircea_popescu or someone else?
631267;1397867685;artifexd;For example...
631268;1397867686;mircea_popescu;who would i be authed as ?
631269;1397867693;benkay;Hi
631270;1397867703;kakobrekla;yeah, enforce password for nickserv
631271;1397867704;benkay;Assuming auth == nick
631272;1397867709;kakobrekla;thats the only solution
631273;1397867712;mircea_popescu;whoa i thought assbot kicked voice on /nick
631274;1397867726;mircea_popescu;but yes, otherwise, you get kicked in 30 seconds by nickserv anyway
631275;1397867732;kakobrekla;no it will follow the name change.
631276;1397867740;artifexd;Imma test that
631277;1397867746;mircea_popescu;go ahead
631278;1397867752;kakobrekla;poor benkay
631279;1397867758;benkay;I got a warning from nickserv saying it will kick me.
631280;1397867758;kakobrekla;i mean the real one
631281;1397867766;benkay;But...
631282;1397867773;benkay;Almost...
631283;1397867776;kakobrekla;you gonna be guest
631284;1397867780;Guest46913;Hi
631285;1397867780;kakobrekla;there
631286;1397867802;mircea_popescu;i can't believe nobody reg'd derpy.
631287;1397867832;mircea_popescu;anyway, problem with colors is we'd rapidly run out of colors.
631288;1397867838;mircea_popescu;kako is not a koloring book.
631289;1397867839;kakobrekla;i think _i_ cant /nick because im the owner
631290;1397867889;mircea_popescu;so basically cognitive is the name of a zombie
631291;1397867893;mircea_popescu;it goes braaaainnnzzz
631292;1397867907;artifexd;Colors was just a possible implementation.  The real point was to have the gribble auth status in the logs.
631293;1397867953;artifexd;Since nick changes don't show up in the log (do they?) later on, it could look like benkay was actually in here.
631294;1397867955;mircea_popescu;".6 for the shares I bought at .6 or higher. I have all the other shares, some were bought at .1 or so. I got 80% back and saved me a few years of courts and whatever (and he saved 20 years in jail). " this crap makes exactly 0 sense.
631295;1397867960;artifexd;Just for a short period of time. :)
631296;1397867986;mircea_popescu;artifexd yeah, and if you keep doing this sort of shit you won't have voice anymore and problem solved.
631297;1397868002;mircea_popescu;you don't need technology to solve all edge cases. you just need it to give peoplez teh tools to do it themselves.
631298;1397868044;artifexd;Am I currently misbehaving?
631299;1397868055;mircea_popescu;i thought we were discussing a hypothetical
631300;1397868093;artifexd;I wanted to clarify whether I was being chastised.
631301;1397868093;mircea_popescu;you were like, o, someone could derp in here. and i was like, yeah, but they need voice. so you were like, well, maybe they have it.
631302;1397868099;mircea_popescu;and i was like... not for long.
631303;1397868144;mircea_popescu;so your hypotethical dood going around nicking as other people to fuck up the logs paternity was being chastised.
631304;1397868181;artifexd;"set enforce on" becomes even more important.
631305;1397868187;kakobrekla;03:39.19 ( +mircea_popescu ) ".6 for the shares I bought at .6 or higher. I have all the other shares, some were bought at .1 or so. I got 80% back and saved me a few years of courts and whatever (and he saved 20 years in jail). " this crap makes exactly 0 sense. < it doesnt need to make sense, goat is an idiot but garr is bigger one. it is possible he bluff pressed it.
631306;1397868213;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla but... he got repaid 0.6 for the shares he bought over .6 but he kept the others, bought at .1 ?
631307;1397868217;mircea_popescu;so... he sitll has shares ?
631308;1397868218;mircea_popescu;wtf.
631309;1397868245;kakobrekla;he is putting himself in a bad position
631310;1397868254;kakobrekla;the only reason he would fake it to save his rep
631311;1397868257;kakobrekla;which
631312;1397868262;kakobrekla;he is also destroying
631313;1397868264;kakobrekla;at same time
631314;1397868269;mircea_popescu;so it makes any sense
631315;1397868277;mircea_popescu;well, at least not in any sort of sane way
631316;1397868350;kakobrekla;but yeah, i can see him reasoning that keeping the cheap shares is a good idea
631317;1397868382;mircea_popescu;what if there's going to be a scam report next from garr that goat sold him THE CHEAP SHAREs
631318;1397868386;mircea_popescu;and kept the other ones
631319;1397868390;mircea_popescu;contrary to the agreement
631320;1397868413;kakobrekla;it makes no difference really since all shares are equal
631321;1397868426;kakobrekla;point is how many you hold and what is the btc offset
631322;1397868485;mircea_popescu;you don't understand. it's best to have bigger shares of number.
631323;1397868601;mircea_popescu;ahh i had too much fun today.
631324;1397868626;mircea_popescu;on my 3rd celebratory night cpa.
631325;1397868805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [-]
631326;1397868819;kakobrekla;it was fun.
631327;1397868901;thestringpuller;it'll get more fun every year as long as we live to see it
631328;1397868920;mircea_popescu;there must be upper bound of fun
631329;1397868928;mircea_popescu;otherwise funflation.
631330;1397868968;thestringpuller;i think the fun needs to be divided equally and shared with everyone equally, regardless of contribution...
631331;1397869002;mircea_popescu;;;later tell jborkl the only thing asics are good for is that it's no longer perfectly feasible for an actor with a fab to take over the chain. it's not something wanted, but moreover something that couldn't be avoided.
631332;1397869003;gribble;The operation succeeded.
631333;1397869017;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller im willing to share it with teh girls!
631334;1397869182;mircea_popescu;lmao at OpenFFL. "oh, it
631335;1397869188;mircea_popescu;s open source so the code is reviewed"
631336;1397869193;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i'm not authed but voiced
631337;1397869199;thestringpuller;;;ident
631338;1397869200;gribble;Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
631339;1397869201;mircea_popescu;except one of the most critical pieces of security infrastructure was NOT reviewed
631340;1397869204;thestringpuller;ohter way around
631341;1397869209;thestringpuller;i'm voiced but not authed
631342;1397869210;thestringpuller;wait
631343;1397869212;thestringpuller;what...
631344;1397869220;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller you're not drunk but you're drinking ?
631345;1397869222;thestringpuller;I'm too drunk for this.
631346;1397869482;thestringpuller;can we start calling it MP-Con?
631347;1397869536;mircea_popescu;"Pros – -Everyone at Clinkle is a genius of high caliber"
631348;1397869548;mircea_popescu;the place where everyone's a genius. unsurprisingly, somewhere in california.
631349;1397869996;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete so i just tried to put a comment in, but "forbidden please enable javascript". as if.
631350;1397869996;gribble;The operation succeeded.
631351;1397870046;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete anyway, i was saying that teh yurpeans also had the sort of war-as-a-sporting-event thing, before the french "republic" invented socialism. they worked just fine for evereyone (yes, including those least qualified to form an opinion on the matter).
631352;1397870047;gribble;The operation succeeded.
631353;1397870057;TestingUnoDosTre;JavaScript, the,most powerful tool on the internet after <blink>
631354;1397870076;mircea_popescu;and <derp>
631355;1397870101;TestingUnoDosTre;Deep started it all
631356;1397870110;TestingUnoDosTre;Derppppp
631357;1397870180;TestingUnoDosTre;Had this beer today that was brewed with the hottest peppers in the world. Slightly afraid I'm going to piss fire tonight.
631358;1397870273;TestingUnoDosTre;Will report back with results. </derp>
631359;1397870595;mircea_popescu;so pee on a fire hidrant.
631360;1397870603;mircea_popescu;anywya, that's all for me. laters!
631361;1397871489;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0660053 = 0.396 BTC [-] {2} 
631362;1397871490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30437 @ 0.0009882 = 30.0778 BTC [-]
631363;1397873136;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.02993279 = 0.6585 BTC [-] {7} 
631364;1397873197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.04400122 = 0.88 BTC [-] {6} 
631365;1397873258;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0670888 = 0.3354 BTC [+] {3} 
631366;1397874709;thestringpuller;;;ident
631367;1397874709;gribble;Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
631368;1397874783;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51 = 2.04 BTC [-]
631369;1397875820;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0671 = 0.2684 BTC [+]
631370;1397876003;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.52 = 2.6 BTC [+]
631371;1397876247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52205833 BTC [+]
631372;1397876369;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1149 @ 0.00070185 = 0.8064 BTC [-] {5} 
631373;1397876430;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 851 @ 0.00069971 = 0.5955 BTC [-] {5} 
631374;1397877467;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3609 @ 0.0009882 = 3.5664 BTC [-]
631375;1397877650;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 59 @ 0.50667795 = 29.894 BTC [-] {5} 
631376;1397877894;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0672 = 0.4704 BTC [+]
631377;1397878321;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0672 = 0.1344 BTC [+]
631378;1397879547;TestingUnoDosTre;Whatup mang
631379;1397879668;TestingUnoDosTre;Mpex trading pretty high
631380;1397879696;TestingUnoDosTre;;;depth MPOE
631381;1397879696;gribble;Error: "depth" is not a valid command.
631382;1397879931;cgcardona_;;;ticker
631383;1397879932;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 476.0, Best ask: 476.08, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 476.0, 24 hour volume: 12555.59750920, 24 hour low: 470.0, 24 hour high: 506.97, 24 hour vwap: 482.722329726
631384;1397880115;TestingUnoDosTre;Low volume,  price dropping
631385;1397880186;joecool;hm
631386;1397880289;cgcardona_;yea 'spike' last coupla days and now coolin off.
631387;1397880507;thestringpuller;TestingUnoDosTre:
631388;1397880510;thestringpuller;$depth mpoe
631389;1397880512;mpexbot;thestringpuller: S.MPOE Bids: ['12950 @ 0.00098156', '16798 @ 0.00098102', '10873 @ 0.00097965', '3269 @ 0.00097456', '29200 @ 0.00097379']
631390;1397880513;mpexbot;thestringpuller: Asks: ['24891 @ 0.00098344', '3000 @ 0.00098435', '6450 @ 0.00098939', '11200 @ 0.00099063', '20780 @ 0.00099203']
631391;1397880532;TestingUnoDosTre;Gracias
631392;1397880538;thestringpuller;it's cause of the conference
631393;1397880549;TestingUnoDosTre;That's what I was thinking
631394;1397880582;thestringpuller;.0011 is the upper limit
631395;1397880614;thestringpuller;it'll probably go crazy again tomorrow
631396;1397880628;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
631397;1397880628;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00096891 / 0.00098215 / 0.00101 (315271 shares, 309.64 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.000966 / 0.00101 (3427477 shares, 3,310.97 BTC), 30D: 0.00080946 / 0.00095162 / 0.00101 (20403529 shares, 19,416.61 BTC)
631398;1397880635;TestingUnoDosTre;Is tomorrow VIP or public?
631399;1397880668;TestingUnoDosTre;What's with the slashes?
631400;1397880677;thestringpuller;low average high
631401;1397880679;TestingUnoDosTre;Low ave high?
631402;1397880682;TestingUnoDosTre;Gotcha
631403;1397880822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00098156 = 8.1469 BTC [-]
631404;1397881493;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.501 BTC [-]
631405;1397883384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.004997 = 0.1999 BTC [-]
631406;1397884534;thestringpuller;;;ticker
631407;1397884536;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 473.75, Best ask: 474.62, Bid-ask spread: 0.87000, Last trade: 474.62, 24 hour volume: 12563.33651067, 24 hour low: 470.0, 24 hour high: 506.97, 24 hour vwap: 482.543433306
631408;1397886923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.08 = 0.32 BTC [-]
631409;1397887593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1113 @ 0.0001729 = 0.1924 BTC [-] {3} 
631410;1397888662;bitcoinpete;;;later tell mircea_popescu: that must've been the stupid spam-blocker i tried adding recently. it's now deactivated. i'm vaguely familiar with the gentlemanliness of middle ages aristocratic rivalries. sounds lovely, really. far more pleasant than the tyrannical populi or tyrannical khans bookending it.
631411;1397888662;gribble;The operation succeeded.
631412;1397888997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.5011001 = 5.011 BTC [+] {2} 
631413;1397889119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00098344 = 5.6056 BTC [+]
631414;1397890095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10873 @ 0.00097965 = 10.6517 BTC [-]
631415;1397890724;jurov;morning
631416;1397890762;fluffypony;morning
631417;1397891025;fluffypony;http://antonopoulos.com/2014/04/18/neo-bee-a-statement-by-andreas-m-antonopoulos-a-consultants-perspective/
631418;1397891026;ozbot;Neo & Bee – A Statement By Andreas M. Antonopoulos – A consultant’s perspective | Andreas M. A
631419;1397891109;HeySteve;hello
631420;1397892291;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5001 BTC [-]
631421;1397892703;fluffypony;ancient Greece or dusty motherboard: http://i.imgur.com/97UageG.jpg
631422;1397892930;HeySteve;ha
631423;1397892943;HeySteve;going with motherboard
631424;1397893009;HeySteve;hmm, I should lay out my garden with hedges and such in the form of my GPU
631425;1397893045;fluffypony;lol
631426;1397893409;HeySteve;been levelling it out for a badmington court
631427;1397893947;*;jurov held cardano boards in his hands last night
631428;1397893952;jurov;#uaskweleak
631429;1397894168;HeySteve;I read about this device
631430;1397894188;HeySteve;good to hear it's a thing
631431;1397894789;*;mircea_popescu pulls up the logs to see who's been up early
631432;1397894827;mircea_popescu;!up vcorem
631433;1397894827;assbot;Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes.
631434;1397894834;mircea_popescu;hey there.
631435;1397894940;mircea_popescu;o hai jurov
631436;1397894950;jurov;hey
631437;1397894959;jurov;10am is early? lol
631438;1397894967;mircea_popescu;pretty cool the faraday cages asciilifeform came up with huh.
631439;1397894971;mircea_popescu;yes it is for me!
631440;1397894981;mircea_popescu;(also it's 11)
631441;1397895025;jurov;i was here hour ago
631442;1397895033;mircea_popescu;this is true
631443;1397895040;fluffypony;10am here
631444;1397895040;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/804/obama-will-mention-bitcoin-before-2015/#c2833
631445;1397895042;ozbot;BitBet - Obama will mention Bitcoin before 2015
631446;1397895047;mircea_popescu;"what if he pronounces it wrong" lmao
631447;1397895084;jurov;many ppl atound here write it as "bitcoint"
631448;1397895088;mircea_popescu;i got this comment link from mod was all like omgwtfbbq fml!
631449;1397895090;jurov;*around
631450;1397895156;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/cgwetpq?context=3
631451;1397895177;mircea_popescu;is this the reddit where it turns out the "cfo" never got any accounts etc ?
631452;1397895202;mircea_popescu;myeah.
631453;1397895217;fluffypony;yes - and hilariously there's now a call for regulation and barriers to entry
631454;1397895244;mircea_popescu;herpderp. reddit calls.
631455;1397895283;mircea_popescu;HeySteve: hmm, I should lay out my garden with hedges and such in the form of my GPU << then you could dress as an electron and run around there to mine.
631456;1397895292;fluffypony;so I pointed out that there already *is* an exchange with barriers to entry to prevent stupidity, but that "everyone" complains about it and then wonders why they get scammed
631457;1397895306;mircea_popescu;didja get downvoted ?
631458;1397895329;fluffypony;not yet, just posted it a few mins ago
631459;1397895335;fluffypony;waiting for the downvotes to commence :-P
631460;1397895336;mircea_popescu;"Danny’s plans before any of us came on board, were shortsighted on multiple levels. What kept us together through it all, was not the brilliance of the plan, but the coherence and communication of the assembled team and its skill sets. "
631461;1397895340;mircea_popescu;fucktards these people.
631462;1397895345;fluffypony;"So then MPEX.co creates a barrier to entry by being extremely strict with listings, depending heavily on the WoT for trust and on GPG for contracts, and charging a 30 BTC fee to register as a trader (alternatively you can use a broker like CoinBr. This prevents scammy listings and (generally speaking) means that investors are of the sort that have money to invest and the rationale to think things through.
631463;1397895346;fluffypony;And yet many people hate those barriers to entry and want to invest (read: lose) money by throwing it at the dodgiest listings on the dodgiest "exchanges" because they think they'll make money in an unregulated environment. And they complain about MPEX's barriers to entry! There are truly no limits to human greed."
631464;1397895349;mircea_popescu;there's a post abouit how communication is inexistent,
631465;1397895360;mircea_popescu;under it, an explanation claiming that it was the communication that kept them together
631466;1397895378;mircea_popescu;the general population is in incontrovertible point of fact too stupid to live.
631467;1397895403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00097686 = 3.4679 BTC [-]
631468;1397895523;fluffypony;on the topic of stupidity - you mentioned in a post that clever people learn by observation, and stupid people learn by direct experience...but I'm not sure if I agree that every lesson *can* be learnt by observation
631469;1397895534;mircea_popescu;why not ?
631470;1397895550;mircea_popescu;the space of observation stands with the space of experience roughly in the relation integers stand with reals
631471;1397895573;mircea_popescu;hm, maybe that was opaque. what's your background fluffypony ?
631472;1397895600;fluffypony;academically not maths - informatics and logistics, so only a smattering of maths
631473;1397895618;mircea_popescu;ah
631474;1397895646;fluffypony;maybe I'm not understanding how "learn" and "mistake" are defined contextually
631475;1397895652;fluffypony;as an example
631476;1397895675;fluffypony;a new business wants to do advertising
631477;1397895692;fluffypony;the CEO/manager/whatever does a ton of research, and realises it is his not his expertise
631478;1397895706;fluffypony;so he researches and finds a domain expert
631479;1397895712;fluffypony;and pays for some consultation
631480;1397895713;mircea_popescu;ok. the math-y thing i was refering too you'll prolly get if you read http://trilema.com/2014/its-not-the-sauce-its-the-poultry-and-other-metamathematical-considerations/
631481;1397895728;mircea_popescu;basically, infinities are not all created equal, some are much larger than others.
631482;1397895728;fluffypony;the expert advises on radio advertising, and they spend $100k on radio advertising
631483;1397895749;fluffypony;which doesn't translate into clicks, and they then *learn* from that *mistake* that they should have spent the $100k on online advertising instead
631484;1397895750;mircea_popescu;which was kinda the idea, there's an infinite space for experience, and in every iota of it there's an infinite space for observation.
631485;1397895755;fluffypony;so where in that process is the mistake?
631486;1397895760;*;fluffypony clicks to read
631487;1397895766;mircea_popescu;the mistake does not exist :D
631488;1397895768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12876 @ 0.00097686 = 12.578 BTC [-]
631489;1397895776;mircea_popescu;this is why it's so difficult to find.
631490;1397895832;fluffypony;yeah
631491;1397895843;jurov;if it was major chunk of budget, it can be labeled as mistake
631492;1397895850;fluffypony;jurov: that I agree with
631493;1397895872;fluffypony;he should have tested the waters with a small budget and measured the results
631494;1397895900;mircea_popescu;if they learn from that mistake that "they should have x instead" they're prolly pretty dumb anyway.
631495;1397895935;mircea_popescu;maybe they should have hired A cup chicks to dance in a circle around roger ver, in their underwear.
631496;1397895940;fluffypony;lol
631497;1397895994;mircea_popescu;for instance, take danny brewester's rookie mistake
631498;1397896009;mircea_popescu;(to be clear, since he's made so many : the one where he bought out all the advertising in a market, for a day)
631499;1397896013;mircea_popescu;now, what's to be learned from there ?
631500;1397896037;fluffypony;which rookie mistake are we talking about - the advertising one or another one?
631501;1397896045;mircea_popescu;the former
631502;1397896067;fluffypony;don't advertise when you don't even have a product
631503;1397896079;fluffypony;marketing is the last link in the chain, not the first
631504;1397896120;mircea_popescu;not a bad one.
631505;1397896165;mircea_popescu;alternatively, they could have learned that advertising is the corporate equivalent of the cock measuring competition, and you don't buy it out of proportion to your market share unless you are significantly more capitalised than the average.
631506;1397896183;mircea_popescu;neobee did not have more money than the average cypriot bank, and so a media overbuy strategy was a loser.
631507;1397896189;fluffypony;yeah agreed
631508;1397896252;mircea_popescu;well so now... vastly different lessons available from experience.
631509;1397896261;mircea_popescu;and you still have to observe your own experience.
631510;1397896315;mircea_popescu;so, while it's true that not every lesson can be learned from experience (usually because humans are too attached to their own, ego-defensive processing of experience), definitely any lesson can be learned from observation.
631511;1397896322;mircea_popescu;and even mutually incompatible lessons, for that matter.
631512;1397896328;fluffypony;I agree with that
631513;1397896376;mircea_popescu;finally, they could have learned that you do not grow rich by overpaying, and that retail is for suckers.
631514;1397896384;mircea_popescu;both rather useful life lessons, and the more likely to be learned.
631515;1397896418;fluffypony;heh
631516;1397896433;mircea_popescu;that's what truely separates the wayward (ie, erroneous) from the outright imbecilic (ie, rookie) : he didn't even fucking bother to get a good deal.
631517;1397896454;fluffypony;yeah, when you have buying power and you don't leverage it that's just idiotic
631518;1397896476;mircea_popescu;he had all the leverage he could possibly imaginably have : he didn't need a fixed date ; he was x-buying anyway. the publishers had nothing, he could have gotten any deal he wanted.
631519;1397896485;mircea_popescu;but he didn't have brains enough to ask even, let alone push for it.
631520;1397896533;fluffypony;also I'm not sure why everyone bought his spiel about being an early BTC/LTC adopter, there wasn't any evidence of that; his lack of technical understanding of cryptocurrency fundamentals would point to the opposite
631521;1397896661;mircea_popescu;they all claim that sorta shit. this is part of why you don't want teenaged officers : they have issues with approval, and they seek it the wrong ways in the wrong venues.
631522;1397896680;mircea_popescu;instead of seeking mine, he went seeking the publishers'. well fucking hell obivously they'll approve you giving them free money.
631523;1397896692;fluffypony;yeah
631524;1397896729;mircea_popescu;also breeds this habint of obtaining it by lying (like the early adopter stuff) which is pernicious, because it creats the habit of lying.
631525;1397896729;mircea_popescu;sort-of like metadrugs.
631526;1397896738;fluffypony;heh
631527;1397896744;mircea_popescu;guy becomes unable to motivate himself : why put in half hour of work to learn how to crochet
631528;1397896760;mircea_popescu;when you could claim you're an intenrational crochet champion, to the mouth gaping amazement of everyone.
631529;1397896769;mircea_popescu;then next week you're also a horse riding expert
631530;1397896779;fluffypony;hah hah
631531;1397896783;mircea_popescu;and within half a year just the rent extracted from you by all this bullshit
631532;1397896807;mircea_popescu;cause of course it needs to be supported, you end up having to leave town in the middle of some crisis because you think people expect you to go to the crochet championship next town over or w/e
631533;1397896819;fluffypony;yeah
631534;1397896822;mircea_popescu;the rent becomes 90% of all your expenditure, and wd! you've created a new us.
631535;1397896837;mircea_popescu;incidentally, read the old pirate stuff, exactly the same broken sort of personality.
631536;1397896882;HeySteve;I'm watching a good film about a man who believes himself to be Sherlock Holmes, often the delusion is rooted in denial of some painful reality
631537;1397896963;mircea_popescu;yeah. usually the painful reality being that one's, you know, 17.
631538;1397897006;fluffypony;how old is Danny?
631539;1397897018;mircea_popescu;twenties something.
631540;1397897027;fluffypony;heh
631541;1397897054;mircea_popescu;like the crinkle guy, except in fiat they don't let dorks trade on the company funds.
631542;1397897055;fluffypony;everyone "started a company" in their twenties, it's just that when I did nobody would've invested in it (even if I'd asked)
631543;1397897088;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with that, sure.
631544;1397897106;fluffypony;I must say, the one good thing about having spent a few years at a listed corporate is that you see all the red tape and regulatory crap
631545;1397897114;fluffypony;and whilst everyone complains about it, you get to see why it's there
631546;1397897138;mircea_popescu;people rarely spend much time complaining about something that has no good reason to exist.
631547;1397897146;mircea_popescu;it'd have gone away by now, sort of thing.
631548;1397897150;fluffypony;yep
631549;1397897254;fluffypony;lol - "Herp Rating Agency is an initiative born out of the need for due diligence in the Bitcoin ecosystem.", but he gave Neo & Bee a "Buy Rating" a month ago
631550;1397897284;mircea_popescu;"But Andreas Topulopulus , our God And Bitcoin Leader said we can trust him?"
631551;1397897305;mircea_popescu;there's all these fucktards that imagine derping about how saying nigger is bad will suddenly qualify them to opine on matters.
631552;1397897350;mircea_popescu;lol look who's here.
631553;1397897358;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: you missed your Twitter friend yesterday
631554;1397897389;mircea_popescu;i was just about to say, people think they can do due diligence, but universally they can not. however, there's going to be a living to be made in the future for those who actulaly learn to.
631555;1397897426;kakobrekla;sup
631556;1397897446;fluffypony;kakobrekla: morning
631557;1397897467;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla my tits!
631558;1397897477;kakobrekla;:*
631559;1397897511;mircea_popescu;lol
631560;1397897523;jurov;lol
631561;1397897530;jurov;!b 4
631562;1397897531;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1786327/plain/)
631563;1397897554;mircea_popescu;!up ThickAsThieves
631564;1397897554;assbot;Voicing ThickAsThieves for 30 minutes.
631565;1397897555;mircea_popescu;!down assbot
631566;1397897555;assbot;I don't do bots, mircea_popescu.
631567;1397897587;ThickAsThieves;test
631568;1397897605;ThickAsThieves;weird, the first comment after you upped me didnt get thru
631569;1397897647;mircea_popescu;cuz what counts is when assbot gets around to doing it, not when i say it.
631570;1397897663;mircea_popescu;we're like a polity over here, and assbot is the bureaucracy. we can pass whatever resolutions we want...
631571;1397897675;ThickAsThieves;;;assbotlag
631572;1397897675;gribble;Error: "assbotlag" is not a valid command.
631573;1397897698;mircea_popescu;;;echo assbot, you better behave or it's the ass boot camp for you matey!
631574;1397897698;gribble;assbot, you better behave or it's the ass boot camp for you matey!
631575;1397897706;fluffypony;oh I miss the goxlag days
631576;1397897712;jurov;;;goxlag
631577;1397897712;gribble;Error: "goxlag" is not a valid command.
631578;1397897715;ThickAsThieves;gribble can talk now too?
631579;1397897717;ThickAsThieves;we're fucked
631580;1397897726;jurov;.ozbot
631581;1397897731;jurov;.bait
631582;1397897732;ozbot;http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mamtxnMUwJ1qcs7dao1_500.jpg
631583;1397897736;mircea_popescu;http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/19/law-is-not-scary/
631584;1397897737;ozbot;Law is not scary | Preston Byrne
631585;1397897740;mircea_popescu;anyone know this kid ?
631586;1397897787;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/#b31 this is gonna be a bet to watch i guess
631587;1397897788;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June
631588;1397897797;mircea_popescu;kinds funny how contrarian people are in their betting.
631589;1397897797;ThickAsThieves;indeed
631590;1397897896;ThickAsThieves;maybe they are hedging
631591;1397897994;ThickAsThieves;is anyone we know even doing any respectable due diligence in any shape or form?
631592;1397898133;jurov;;;ud due diligence
631593;1397898133;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=due+diligence | Due Diligence is a term used for a number of concepts involving either the performance of an investigation of a business or person, or the performa...
631594;1397898134;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: due diligence
631595;1397898165;ThickAsThieves;jurov is doing his due diligence on due diligence
631596;1397898196;jurov;i was hoping that hipstrs redefined it already
631597;1397898209;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 211 @ 0.00232768 = 0.4911 BTC [-] {40} 
631598;1397898213;jurov;but they haven't headr at all
631599;1397898219;jurov;*heard
631600;1397898239;HeySteve;speaking of due diligence, what is the WoT etiquette on a big name who doesn't wish to auth?
631601;1397898252;ThickAsThieves;fluffypony:on the topic of stupidity - you mentioned in a post that clever people learn by observation, and stupid people learn by direct experience...but I'm not sure if I agree that every lesson *can* be learnt by observation // well, NEW experiences can't be learned by observation, generally
631602;1397898268;ThickAsThieves;but "new" experiences need to more than new-to-you
631603;1397898276;jurov;HeySteve: look no futher that to ThickAsThieves here
631604;1397898286;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: yesh
631605;1397898355;ThickAsThieves;this also goes in hand with mp's past comments on advising to make mistakes people havent made already, thereby adding to the trove of things we know won't work
631606;1397898372;fluffypony;HeySteve: it depends - if you're trading with them then they generally have to auth; whilst you can check with nickserv if they have enforce on and are identified Freenode have said that it's possible NS passwords were leaked coz of heartbleed
631607;1397898394;HeySteve;this is my exact concern, yes
631608;1397898401;HeySteve;not a trading situation but journalistic
631609;1397898472;fluffypony;HeySteve: so mention at the outset of the article that the quotes may be unsubstantiated because of reasons mentioned above?
631610;1397898530;HeySteve;thanks, that makes sense. nothing else for it really
631611;1397898575;ThickAsThieves;or ask the person to sign properly if it's important
631612;1397898579;ThickAsThieves;etc
631613;1397898646;HeySteve;that I have, no dice. verified email tho. I'm perhaps being extra cautious as it will be a big story
631614;1397898676;HeySteve;I believe the most expensive item yet trading for btc
631615;1397898689;ThickAsThieves;:/
631616;1397899036;kakobrekla;11:11.29 ( +jurov ) many ppl atound here write it as "bitcoint" < same here, but 'bitcoind' but they are not meanin the daemon.
631617;1397899257;jurov;even worse "betececka" "betececky"
631618;1397899268;jurov;(while "cecky" means tits)
631619;1397899319;kakobrekla;lol
631620;1397899668;ThickAsThieves;i left something icky for ya'll:
631621;1397899673;ThickAsThieves;"You probably didn’t stop flying because you have to go through airport screeners, take off your shoes, let your laptop be X-rayed and your luggage possibly rummaged through by security personnel. You shouldn’t close your business either. Instead, level with your customers, tell them what the government is capable of doing, and allow them make up their own minds as to whether to do business with you or not.
631622;1397899673;ThickAsThieves;Revelations aside, nothing has changed. The NSA monitored communications well before Edward Snowden leaked documents to Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras. It has long had the power of the subpoena to compel a business to hand over records and documents.
631623;1397899673;ThickAsThieves;Shutting down won’t accomplish much. Staying open just might."
631624;1397899699;ThickAsThieves;ignore where i said "i left"
631625;1397899735;ThickAsThieves;he's speaking on Lavabit
631626;1397899752;ThickAsThieves;more snippets here: http://pando.com/2014/04/18/lavabit-creator-held-in-contempt-for-making-a-tiny-tiny-point/
631627;1397900073;kakobrekla;the gathering is at 2?
631628;1397900139;ThickAsThieves;yessir
631629;1397900162;kakobrekla;kk
631630;1397900709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00097686 = 3.9074 BTC [-]
631631;1397900770;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 139 @ 0.00084637 = 0.1176 BTC [+] {3} 
631632;1397900854;kakobrekla;!up ThickAsThieves
631633;1397900854;assbot;Voicing ThickAsThieves for 30 minutes.
631634;1397900889;ThickAsThieves;but i already auth'd and upped myself i thought ...?
631635;1397900964;kakobrekla;hm
631636;1397900972;kakobrekla;do !up on pvt again
631637;1397900997;kakobrekla;what does it say
631638;1397901005;kakobrekla;aha
631639;1397901009;kakobrekla;!up ThickAsThieves
631640;1397901009;assbot;Voice for ThickAsThieves extended to 30 minutes.
631641;1397901017;kakobrekla;dafuq.
631642;1397901026;kakobrekla;who made this shit
631643;1397901032;ThickAsThieves;i am bcauth'd, if that helps
631644;1397901064;kakobrekla;lemme check smth
631645;1397901128;kakobrekla;hrm i dunno perhaps you found a corner case.
631646;1397901152;kakobrekla;!down ThickAsThieves
631647;1397901158;kakobrekla;up on pm now
631648;1397901237;kakobrekla;now its perma.
631649;1397901241;ThickAsThieves;"So bitbet joins the list of sxam sites. Moderators arbitrarily declaring in-time bets as late."
631650;1397901242;ThickAsThieves;cool
631651;1397901265;ThickAsThieves;it wasnt me!
631652;1397901289;kakobrekla;lol that thing again
631653;1397901342;kakobrekla;as i said, a 'fuck you' clause must be added.
631654;1397901361;Duffer1;is that from Uno?
631655;1397901397;kakobrekla;lol did you guys see that Ukyo thread
631656;1397901405;kakobrekla;apparently people are calling his wife and family now
631657;1397901416;kakobrekla;must be fun
631658;1397901420;Duffer1;o,o
631659;1397901439;ThickAsThieves;shitty
631660;1397901760;kakobrekla;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/bitfunder-moving-forward-resolution-process.197576/page-74#post-5988234
631661;1397901761;kakobrekla;and such
631662;1397901761;ozbot;[BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process | Page 74 | Bitcointa.lk
631663;1397901777;kakobrekla;lol
631664;1397901806;kakobrekla;"hi mom, your son owes us millions, can you cover for it ?"
631665;1397902161;fluffypony;meh
631666;1397902174;fluffypony;why do they think it'll make a difference calling his wife?
631667;1397902242;kakobrekla;because she has the btc ofc.
631668;1397902290;fluffypony;yeah
631669;1397902296;fluffypony;she's hiding the privkeys in her snatch
631670;1397902307;fluffypony;ok that was overly rude, I take that back :-P
631671;1397902350;kakobrekla;http://www.humint.is/goxcoin/
631672;1397902351;ozbot;Goxcoin - Humint
631673;1397902356;kakobrekla;O_o
631674;1397902358;cazalla;Duffer1: it's TestingUnoDosTre for sure
631675;1397902359;Duffer1;i was so offended i shall report thee to the internets police
631676;1397902386;Duffer1;didn't he get a refund?
631677;1397902391;cazalla;yeah
631678;1397902396;cazalla;clearly not enough for him
631679;1397902407;Duffer1;he got off LUCKY
631680;1397902408;fluffypony;"Goxcoin would be issued on a one-to-one basis to trusted and verified accounts."
631681;1397902412;fluffypony;lol
631682;1397902417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
631683;1397902431;kakobrekla;ping jurov
631684;1397902437;kakobrekla;your friend is looking for you
631685;1397902445;cazalla;Duffer1: agreed
631686;1397902905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22632 @ 0.00097379 = 22.0388 BTC [-]
631687;1397903151;fluffypony;off to a beer fest I go, cheers
631688;1397903755;jurov;kakobrekla: you in the bar or where?
631689;1397903779;jurov;i felt like resting some more
631690;1397904674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6568 @ 0.00097379 = 6.3959 BTC [-]
631691;1397904796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00097178 = 23.5657 BTC [-] {2} 
631692;1397906138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27576 @ 0.00096972 = 26.741 BTC [-]
631693;1397906364;TestingUnoDosTre;Earliest awake-  6:17 in Derpmerica
631694;1397907251;TestingUnoDosTre;No that comment wasn't from me
631695;1397907269;TestingUnoDosTre;I take it to the chat, not wherever you guys were looking
631696;1397907393;TestingUnoDosTre;I would rather many more herpers and derpers flock to the site so I can take their hard earned btc
631697;1397908578;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04599999 = 0.23 BTC [+] {5} 
631698;1397908639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1656 @ 0.00097686 = 1.6177 BTC [+]
631699;1397908822;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06714999 = 0.1343 BTC [-]
631700;1397909493;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
631701;1397909676;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04633333 = 0.139 BTC [+] {3} 
631702;1397909738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
631703;1397909861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
631704;1397910042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6204 @ 0.00097884 = 6.0727 BTC [+]
631705;1397910103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0465 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2} 
631706;1397910164;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.02901175 = 0.116 BTC [-] {3} 
631707;1397910225;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
631708;1397910286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0465 = 0.186 BTC [+]
631709;1397910408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.029002 = 0.116 BTC [-]
631710;1397910409;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
631711;1397910591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0465 = 0.186 BTC [+]
631712;1397910652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.029002 = 0.116 BTC [-]
631713;1397910653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
631714;1397910713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
631715;1397910775;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.029002 = 0.116 BTC [-]
631716;1397910836;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
631717;1397910907;TestingUnoDosTre;There was another person who's bet was submitted at the same time as mine. Most likely them
631718;1397911138;TestingUnoDosTre;$depth MPOE
631719;1397911139;mpexbot;TestingUnoDosTre: S.MPOE Bids: ['40246 @ 0.00098051', '34294 @ 0.00097857', '30300 @ 0.00097167', '21065 @ 0.00096972', '1000 @ 0.00095001']
631720;1397911140;mpexbot;TestingUnoDosTre: Asks: ['18196 @ 0.00098059', '36000 @ 0.00098512', '6450 @ 0.00098939', '11200 @ 0.00099063', '20780 @ 0.00099203']
631721;1397913458;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 597 @ 0.00018195 = 0.1086 BTC [+]
631722;1397915410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00098051 = 11.1288 BTC [+]
631723;1397915593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53200 @ 0.00098357 = 52.3259 BTC [+] {2} 
631724;1397916081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21139 @ 0.00098051 = 20.727 BTC [-]
631725;1397916997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04533334 = 0.136 BTC [-] {3} 
631726;1397917179;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
631727;1397917606;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 49 @ 0.0742218 = 3.6369 BTC [-]
631728;1397917667;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06601 = 0.132 BTC [-]
631729;1397918277;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
631730;1397918948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00496216 = 0.1836 BTC [-] {2} 
631731;1397919009;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [-]
631732;1397919192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.0049111 = 0.4125 BTC [-] {2} 
631733;1397920281;TomServo;.d
631734;1397920281;ozbot;6.979 billion | Next Diff in 1716 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.4498% in 10d 18h 47m 54s
631735;1397920534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7446 @ 0.00098881 = 7.3627 BTC [+] {2} 
631736;1397920534;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.067138 = 0.1343 BTC [+]
631737;1397920900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00500999 = 0.1002 BTC [+]
631738;1397921144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14857 @ 0.00099011 = 14.7101 BTC [+]
631739;1397921937;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.50001 = 5.0001 BTC [+]
631740;1397923204;benkay;mornin
631741;1397923218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.07119720 BTC to 8`524 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
631742;1397923279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] [PAID] 2.17250000 BTC to 86`900 shares, 2500 satoshi per share
631743;1397923401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
631744;1397924317;benkay;;;later tell bitcoinpete hey didja know that if you have an avatar.png at the root of your domain it'll show up on trilema as your avatar?
631745;1397924317;gribble;The operation succeeded.
631746;1397924778;benkay;http://tohjiro.tumblr.com/image/82780835734
631747;1397924778;ozbot;All Flesh Is Erotic Flesh: Photo
631748;1397924804;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.5 = 6.5 BTC [-] {2} 
631749;1397925536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1522 @ 0.00013629 = 0.2074 BTC [-]
631750;1397926023;cgcardona_;yo
631751;1397926938;benkay;hi
631752;1397927183;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.06598382 = 1.9795 BTC [-] {6} 
631753;1397927305;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06590245 = 0.659 BTC [-] {2} 
631754;1397927427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06590253 = 0.659 BTC [+]
631755;1397927732;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.029999 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2} 
631756;1397928296;cgcardona_;been working all morning getting image transitions to work w/ css from this tutorial http://css3.bradshawenterprises.com/cfimg/
631757;1397928306;cgcardona_;It's pretty sweet to move that from JS into CSS
631758;1397928320;cgcardona_;makes the code much more terse and easier to mentally digest IMO
631759;1397928391;cgcardona_;seemingly better seperation of concerns though you still need to toggle classes with JS to trigger them so it's not entirely cleanly seperated.
631760;1397928769;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06590253 = 0.3954 BTC [+]
631761;1397929745;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
631762;1397931474;fluffypony;cgcardona_: CSS gives me a headache...I'm definitely not a front-end person from that perspective
631763;1397931489;cgcardona_;sure but what are the other options
631764;1397931514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2693 @ 0.00098487 = 2.6523 BTC [-]
631765;1397931514;cgcardona_;the whole web stack is a rube goldberg machine if ever there were one
631766;1397931544;cgcardona_;got the w3c and ecma standardizing different languages
631767;1397931563;cgcardona_;got `background-color` in CSS and `backgroundColor` in the DOM
631768;1397931568;cgcardona_;shit is cray cray
631769;1397931631;cgcardona_;I was in the HTML5 working group in the W3C and got to see the red tape up front.
631770;1397931645;cgcardona_;one of the most passionate group of people I've ever met but legendary red-tape
631771;1397931658;cgcardona_;and bureaucracy
631772;1397931674;cgcardona_;but Tim Berners Lee is one of the most humble people that I've me who've accomplished that much IMO
631773;1397931696;cgcardona_;I met him at a W3C plenary meeting so it's possible he was extra relaxed in that environment but he was super kind.
631774;1397932032;fluffypony;I'm quite jealous - would love to meet him one day
631775;1397932041;fluffypony;you're right, there aren't other options
631776;1397932049;fluffypony;I just don't "get" CSS
631777;1397932065;fluffypony;I'm forced to dabble, so the nature of it eludes me
631778;1397932085;fluffypony;and invariably I end up in ##css asking for help :-P
631779;1397932592;cgcardona_;oksushi in #css is an OG css ninja. not sure if he still hangs there these days.
631780;1397932661;cgcardona_;;;rate fluffypony 1 seen often in #btc-assets
631781;1397932663;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user fluffypony has been recorded.
631782;1397932767;fluffypony;;;rate cgcardona_ 1 bitcoin-assets regular
631783;1397932768;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cgcardona_ has been recorded.
631784;1397932802;cgcardona_;I got two shots w/ Timbl & my son http://i.imgur.com/8CmOHmZ.jpg && http://i.imgur.com/0erLCdQ.jpg </not so humble brag>
631785;1397932896;fluffypony;lol neat
631786;1397932978;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04434039 = 0.2217 BTC [-] {4} 
631787;1397933039;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0668 = 0.2004 BTC [-]
631788;1397933161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00099089 = 13.7238 BTC [+] {2} 
631789;1397933402;cgcardona_;;;ticker
631790;1397933403;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 502.44, Best ask: 503.59, Bid-ask spread: 1.15000, Last trade: 503.59, 24 hour volume: 9381.75540973, 24 hour low: 472.81, 24 hour high: 507.43, 24 hour vwap: 490.16918288
631791;1397934564;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001308 = 0.1308 BTC [-]
631792;1397936760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06689999 = 0.1338 BTC [+] {2} 
631793;1397937309;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669 = 0.1338 BTC [+]
631794;1397937372;thestringpuller;;;seen BingoBoingo
631795;1397937372;gribble;BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 hours, 52 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> fluffypony: That'd be Busch III, first season there was in 2006
631796;1397937383;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo how'd you feel about that movie money ball?
631797;1397937384;gribble;The operation succeeded.
631798;1397938923;turbo_ac100;This has MP written all over it: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/reactos-community-edition/contributions/new?perk_amt=50000&perk_id=1864501
631799;1397940607;dignork;turbo_ac100: open source windows clone? I have to admit, I looked at their source code once, while trying to figure out some windows undocumented functionality, but rewriting outdated OS, what for?
631800;1397940651;midnightmagic;Are they planning some kind of XP-like forever-support?
631801;1397940666;midnightmagic;Maybe they're going to take all the XP customers who hate anything that's happened since.
631802;1397940675;midnightmagic;*"users"
631803;1397941457;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0049107 = 0.1228 BTC [-]
631804;1397941518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00099013 = 16.7827 BTC [-]
631805;1397941875;bounce;compare freedos. an unencumbered drop-in replacement for an obsolete proprietary system. what's the point of that?
631806;1397941998;bounce;useful to boot all sorts of dos diagnostics, flash utilities, whatnot. useful for games. the odd dos-only application that's critical to the business and irreplacable. and so on. same with reactos, except with a more recent and more widely used application base.
631807;1397942235;fluffypony;especially for games
631808;1397942238;fluffypony;OS X and Linux are not winning in that space atm
631809;1397942285;fluffypony;a slim copy of ReactOS with DirectX working and all the gunk pulled out would be nice
631810;1397942842;thestringpuller;fluffypony: a slim copy of ReactOS with DirectX working and all the gunk pulled out would be nice << i've been sayin' that for years lol
631811;1397942921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5196 BTC [-]
631812;1397942940;joecool;i thought directx code was merged into wine like a year or two ago
631813;1397943030;turbo_ac100;midnightmagic: Yeah that's why I think the timing is good for ReactOS. Now with XP being axed for the nth time.
631814;1397943043;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.00684636 = 0.1027 BTC [+] {5} 
631815;1397943052;fluffypony;joecool: yeah, we're discussing the "what for" part of dignork's comment
631816;1397943057;thestringpuller;joecool: it really doesn't work...
631817;1397943075;thestringpuller;i have so many glitches, so i run legit windows for steam...
631818;1397943234;turbo_ac100;Problem is they won't be 100% XP anytime soon so it won't even be good enough for most people.
631819;1397943268;fluffypony;turbo_ac100: but for LoB applications it's already pretty good
631820;1397943278;turbo_ac100;LoB?
631821;1397943287;fluffypony;oh sorry - Line of Business
631822;1397943306;fluffypony;so domain specific, company specific apps
631823;1397943315;fluffypony;that are expensive to rewrite
631824;1397943341;turbo_ac100;hmkay. There is a good niche for them already then.
631825;1397943347;*;fluffypony nods
631826;1397943367;turbo_ac100;Question for those companys is: Why not use win7/8
631827;1397943381;fluffypony;upgrade $$$
631828;1397943414;fluffypony;also some of those apps may be really old - Windows NT stuff
631829;1397943436;joecool;does it really matter anymore, i thought steam was going all linux and MS pissed off the devs with the windows 8 directx stuf
631830;1397943439;joecool;*stuff
631831;1397943455;fluffypony;turbo_ac100: http://www.asiteaboutnothing.net/c_16bit-virtualization.html
631832;1397943472;fluffypony;the only way to run 16-bit apps in Vista+ is through a VM
631833;1397943479;fluffypony;or stick with XP
631834;1397943483;turbo_ac100;oh
631835;1397943517;turbo_ac100;~10 lines in "Here is the quick workaround: Install DosBox." lol
631836;1397943526;fluffypony;lol
631837;1397943547;fluffypony;I've seen a LOT of LoB apps where they abstracted the business logic from the display/interface
631838;1397943557;fluffypony;the business logic stays as a 16-bit DLL/tray app
631839;1397943567;fluffypony;and the front-end gets a modern overhaul
631840;1397943598;turbo_ac100;this is madness...
631841;1397943607;fluffypony;so then you're stuck on unsupported XP for a long time till that layer can get re-written
631842;1397943704;fluffypony;April 2009 – September 2010 (1 year 6 months) Newlands
631843;1397943704;fluffypony;Convert Banking systems written in MANTIS to COBOL under CICS using customised conversion tool and Microfocus Cobol.
631844;1397943709;fluffypony;^^ modern banking upgrades
631845;1397943721;fluffypony;"we've moved to COBOL to keep it in line with our other systems"
631846;1397943785;turbo_ac100;COBOL a'ight
631847;1397943866;thestringpuller;lol reminds me of TSYS TS1 platform
631848;1397944263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3722 @ 0.00099203 = 3.6923 BTC [+]
631849;1397946971;dignork;fluffypony: COBOL, allright, but on way hopefully they moved from dbase-style to relational DB, i've seen this happening in some insurance company
631850;1397947679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06674 = 0.1335 BTC [-]
631851;1397947699;bounce;if I had a choice I'd much prefer my (expensive!) equipment be steered by something unix-y, but if that's Just Too Hard for the people designing the machinery I'll take an open source windows drop-in replacement. better for long term support and all that
631852;1397947740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02970872 = 0.208 BTC [+] {6} 
631853;1397947849;bounce;on that note, often manufacturers explicitly forbid to install updates and servicepacks since it might well break the app. gotta love brittle "engineering" (by certified engineers!) like that. I don't suppose there's embedded software consultancy houses that'll do stress testing on the programs to see they'll stand up to such outlandish weirness as running without admin rights and still function after hotfixes get installed and such.
631854;1397947924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45677 @ 0.00098832 = 45.1435 BTC [-] {3} 
631855;1397948039;cgcardona_;someone invented the wot! http://bitcoinmagazine.com/12469/bitcorati-hub-bitcoin-community/ !1!!1
631856;1397948594;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04430003 = 0.1772 BTC [-]
631857;1397948778;dignork;bounce: equipment manufactuer won't give you a warranty if you use windows drop-in
631858;1397949054;dignork;cgcardona_: it sounds more like "yellow pages with comments"
631859;1397949570;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2} 
631860;1397950424;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06675 = 0.2003 BTC [+]
631861;1397950524;cgcardona_;;;ticker
631862;1397950525;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 503.8, Best ask: 505.13, Bid-ask spread: 1.33000, Last trade: 503.8, 24 hour volume: 10320.24006568, 24 hour low: 472.81, 24 hour high: 507.43, 24 hour vwap: 492.582803785
631863;1397952619;kakobrekla;first post.
631864;1397952681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00099034 = 10.151 BTC [+]
631865;1397952742;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 131 @ 0.00084829 = 0.1111 BTC [+]
631866;1397952803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00098981 = 7.1266 BTC [-]
631867;1397953292;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15000 @ 0.00013006 = 1.9509 BTC [-] {7} 
631868;1397953332;thestringpuller;MPOE GOGOGO
631869;1397953469;thestringpuller;;;later tell benkay get a bouncer; i sent you gpg mail;
631870;1397953469;gribble;The operation succeeded.
631871;1397953657;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 42 @ 0.03066091 = 1.2878 BTC [+] {13} 
631872;1397953718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0443 = 0.2215 BTC [-]
631873;1397953719;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
631874;1397954328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00098981 = 9.4032 BTC [-]
631875;1397954816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00098843 = 11.8117 BTC [-] {2} 
631876;1397955975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.51001615 = 3.0601 BTC [+] {4} 
631877;1397956341;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51004949 = 1.0201 BTC [+]
631878;1397956829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.500001 = 1 BTC [-]
631879;1397956890;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.5 = 9 BTC [-]
631880;1397957352;thestringpuller;;;ticker
631881;1397957354;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 503.79, Best ask: 504.15, Bid-ask spread: 0.36000, Last trade: 504.68, 24 hour volume: 8876.37646469, 24 hour low: 472.97, 24 hour high: 507.43, 24 hour vwap: 492.968681954
631882;1397958293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.0009893 = 13.9986 BTC [+]
631883;1397958659;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00099014 = 9.3568 BTC [+]
631884;1397959147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7853 @ 0.00099014 = 7.7756 BTC [+]
631885;1397959645;mod6;$vwap s.mpoe
631886;1397959646;mpexbot;mod6: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00098295 high: 0.00099203 low: 0.00096972 volume: 399031 btc: 392.22902789 7 day: average: 0.00096795 high: 0.00101 low: 0.00095214 volume: 3479584 btc: 3368.06667466 30 day: average: 0.00095305 high: 0.00101 low: 0.00082303 volume: 20667300 btc: 19696.9546047
631887;1397961099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03099999 = 0.279 BTC [+]
631888;1397961160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03099999 = 0.279 BTC [+]
631889;1397961161;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.04428181 = 0.4871 BTC [-] {2} 
631890;1397961648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7154 @ 0.0009893 = 7.0775 BTC [-]
631891;1397962926;thestringpuller;funny how dead this channel gets when the bitcoin illuminati aren't around
631892;1397963495;thestringpuller;;;later tell benkay sent you mail
631893;1397963496;gribble;The operation succeeded.
631894;1397963905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27036 @ 0.00099116 = 26.797 BTC [+] {3} 
631895;1397964882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13246 @ 0.00098936 = 13.1051 BTC [-] {2} 
631896;1397964942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5566 @ 0.00098905 = 5.5051 BTC [-]
631897;1397965491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00098786 = 26.9192 BTC [-] {3} 
631898;1397965918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32299 @ 0.0009871 = 31.8823 BTC [-] {2} 
631899;1397966552;thestringpuller;Happy 4/20 to the east coasters
631900;1397966776;artifexd;\o/
631901;1397966955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16510 @ 0.00099181 = 16.3748 BTC [+] {2} 
631902;1397968968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00098764 = 4.3456 BTC [-]
631903;1397969395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6598 @ 0.00098795 = 6.5185 BTC [+] {2} 
631904;1397969700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 31 @ 0.03149837 = 0.9764 BTC [+] {4} 
631905;1397970127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04410001 = 0.2205 BTC [+]
631906;1397970188;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03149999 = 0.2205 BTC [+]
631907;1397971713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18754 @ 0.00099482 = 18.6569 BTC [+] {3} 
631908;1397971957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
631909;1397972079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00099847 = 2.1966 BTC [+]
631910;1397972689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9712 @ 0.00099847 = 9.6971 BTC [+]
631911;1397972811;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0312 = 0.156 BTC [-]
631912;1397972812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0441 = 0.2205 BTC [-]
631913;1397972813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
631914;1397972872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0312 = 0.156 BTC [-]
631915;1397972873;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0441 = 0.2205 BTC [-]
631916;1397972874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
631917;1397972933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0312 = 0.156 BTC [-] {4} 
631918;1397972934;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04386007 = 0.2193 BTC [-] {4} 
631919;1397972935;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-] {4} 
631920;1397973482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00098688 = 3.158 BTC [-]
631921;1397974946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 51 @ 0.03149999 = 1.6065 BTC [+] {2} 
631922;1397974948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
631923;1397976532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 71 @ 0.03149999 = 2.2365 BTC [+]
631924;1397976654;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.0742218 = 0.7422 BTC [-]
631925;1397976777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.00099255 = 28.9825 BTC [+] {3} 
631926;1397977386;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06579999 = 0.329 BTC [-] {5} 
631927;1397977996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.50000003 = 1.5 BTC [+] {2} 
631928;1397978423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18485 @ 0.00098803 = 18.2637 BTC [-] {2} 
631929;1397979277;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
631930;1397979826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00099467 = 12.0355 BTC [+] {2} 
631931;1397979931;kakobrekla;jurov ping
631932;1397980131;fluffypony;cgcardona_: that article you linked to is hilarious
631933;1397980143;fluffypony;it's like they're trying to make Yelp for Bitcoin
631934;1397980261;cgcardona_;fluffypony: I thought the best line was:
631935;1397980267;cgcardona_;Q: What has been the most difficult aspect to developing a Bitcoin Business review system?
631936;1397980280;cgcardona_;A:"It shouldn’t be that difficult. My friend is a math genius who previously worked on an algorithm modeled after Google’s PageRank, but it’s still in the works."
631937;1397980286;fluffypony;lol
631938;1397980288;joecool;lawl
631939;1397980290;cgcardona_;Shit Project Managers Say
631940;1397980299;fluffypony;guys his friend is a math genius
631941;1397980304;fluffypony;ALL HAIL
631942;1397980644;jurov;kakobrekla ?
631943;1397980664;kakobrekla;jurov sunglasses ?
631944;1397980935;kakobrekla;hm ?
631945;1397981104;jurov;oh yes, i have them
631946;1397981107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46440 @ 0.00099639 = 46.2724 BTC [+] {3} 
631947;1397981229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.0009998 = 8.2983 BTC [+]
631948;1397981290;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00017296 = 0.3459 BTC [-] {6} 
631949;1397981345;cgcardona_;;;ticker
631950;1397981346;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 511.05, Best ask: 512.33, Bid-ask spread: 1.28000, Last trade: 511.05, 24 hour volume: 7489.78198809, 24 hour low: 490.59, 24 hour high: 516.53, 24 hour vwap: 503.234676476
631951;1397981412;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1492 @ 0.00017291 = 0.258 BTC [-]
631952;1397981473;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2427 @ 0.00017178 = 0.4169 BTC [-] {4} 
631953;1397981534;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1080 @ 0.00016542 = 0.1787 BTC [-] {2} 
631954;1397982266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39900 @ 0.0009998 = 39.892 BTC [+]
631955;1397983053;jurov;;;bc,stats
631956;1397983056;gribble;Current Blocks: 296769 | Current Difficulty: 6.978842649592383E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 298367 | Next Difficulty In: 1598 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 20 hours, 44 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 7702662189.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.37163
631957;1397983547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 52 @ 0.03153908 = 1.64 BTC [+] {11} 
631958;1397984157;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06674998 = 0.4672 BTC [+] {2} 
631959;1397984521;jurov;thebitcoinnews.co.uk/2014/04/13/bitcoin-central-net-insolvent-the-french-bitcoin-association-and-the-relation-to-mtgox/
631960;1397984523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.0009998 = 1.9996 BTC [+]
631961;1397984548;jurov;our friend dotcoin is on it again :DD
631962;1397984597;fluffypony;*clicks*
631963;1397984677;fluffypony;lol
631964;1397984739;jurov;fluffypony: prepare kleenex.. you'll cry or cry from laughing either
631965;1397984748;fluffypony;that is hilarious
631966;1397985255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
631967;1397985316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4560 @ 0.00099972 = 4.5587 BTC [-]
631968;1397986048;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 70 @ 0.06692285 = 4.6846 BTC [+] {4} 
631969;1397986109;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.06712003 = 1.5438 BTC [+] {5} 
631970;1397986170;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07083333 = 0.425 BTC [+] {3} 
631971;1397986536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00099587 = 16.0335 BTC [-]
631972;1397988123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.491 BTC [-]
631973;1397988610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00099481 = 6.0186 BTC [-]
631974;1397988854;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 44 @ 0.03167271 = 1.3936 BTC [+] {3} 
631975;1397989159;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00099273 = 8.0411 BTC [-] {2} 
631976;1397989281;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1068 @ 0.00075681 = 0.8083 BTC [-] {4} 
631977;1397989342;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00084377 = 0.1688 BTC [+]
631978;1397989525;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
631979;1397989647;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 150 @ 0.00135202 = 0.2028 BTC [-] {2} 
631980;1397990563;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9969 @ 0.00098994 = 9.8687 BTC [-]
631981;1397991172;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21514 @ 0.00098892 = 21.2756 BTC [-] {2} 
631982;1397991233;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2236 @ 0.00098855 = 2.2104 BTC [-]
631983;1397992575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00099144 = 15.5656 BTC [+] {3} 
631984;1397993490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00099654 = 13.1543 BTC [+] {2} 
631985;1397993673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9463 @ 0.00098855 = 9.3546 BTC [-]
631986;1397995137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00098809 = 17.1928 BTC [-] {2} 
631987;1397995686;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0715 = 0.286 BTC [+]
631988;1397996786;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
631989;1397997150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1273 @ 0.00098783 = 1.2575 BTC [-]
631990;1397997458;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
631991;1397998004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23285 @ 0.00098579 = 22.9541 BTC [-] {2} 
631992;1397998187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.000989 = 17.7031 BTC [+] {2} 
631993;1397998614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07199998 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2} 
631994;1397999041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11015 @ 0.00098574 = 10.8579 BTC [-]
631995;1397999102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.072 = 0.936 BTC [+]
631996;1397999285;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
631997;1397999468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5985 @ 0.00098037 = 5.8675 BTC [-]
631998;1397999834;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.072902 = 0.2187 BTC [+]
631999;1398000139;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0317 = 0.1268 BTC [+] {3} 
632000;1398000140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0430005 = 0.172 BTC [-] {3} 
632001;1398000141;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-] {4} 
632002;1398001542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.491 = 1.473 BTC [-]
632003;1398001543;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
632004;1398001603;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 179 @ 0.03411508 = 6.1066 BTC [+] {45} 
632005;1398001725;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 32 @ 0.03849374 = 1.2318 BTC [+] {5} 
632006;1398002396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.070786 = 0.4955 BTC [-] {5} 
632007;1398002762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18087 @ 0.00098843 = 17.8777 BTC [+] {2} 
632008;1398003006;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
632009;1398003372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00099146 = 14.8223 BTC [+] {2} 
632010;1398005690;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-] {2} 
632011;1398005812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+]
632012;1398005813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14802 @ 0.00099222 = 14.6868 BTC [+] {2} 
632013;1398007198;fluffypony;controversial Reddit thread of the day: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23hvbt/ross_ulbrichts_sister_decribes_the_character_of/
632014;1398007246;fluffypony;in which /r/Bitcoin can't decide whether to support Ross Ulbricht's legal defence because drugs mmmmmkay or vehemently not support it because, you know, he tried to have people killed and ran a successful criminal enterprise
632015;1398007277;danielpbarron;i supported it
632016;1398007455;fluffypony;danielpbarron: I find myself torn...I think that SR was an interesting endeavour, and I applaud his efforts in providing a platform, but I think organising six murders is taking Internet-tough-guy too far
632017;1398007492;danielpbarron;allegedly
632018;1398007520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33206 @ 0.00098997 = 32.8729 BTC [-] {2} 
632019;1398007704;fluffypony;I know - innocent until proven guilty and all that
632020;1398007735;fluffypony;but if I'm donating or not donating am I not making an informed decision/judgement call? am I not picking a side of the fence on which to sit (which side may change later) ?
632021;1398007783;thestringpuller;were the murders actually carried out?
632022;1398007790;fluffypony;thestringpuller: he thought so
632023;1398007797;fluffypony;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/22/silk_road_more_contract_killing_charges/
632024;1398007803;fluffypony;"Prosecutors admit there's no evidence that any of these murders actually took place – and in one case, agents actually faked photos of the target's torture and death to send to Ulbricht."
632025;1398007828;fluffypony;so every "assassin" on the darknet is fake with a bunch of snuff videos
632026;1398007831;fluffypony;who knew
632027;1398008130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88200 @ 0.00099335 = 87.6135 BTC [+] {5} 
632028;1398008557;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04452499 = 0.1781 BTC [+] {3} 
632029;1398008579;TestingUnoDosTre;And he paid so much...
632030;1398008606;TestingUnoDosTre;Wouldn't you just pay a small amount up front, then deliver more after real evidence
632031;1398009533;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
632032;1398009602;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: if you have that much to throw around will you be sensible?
632033;1398009634;TestingUnoDosTre;Yes
632034;1398009655;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.09858000 BTC to 8`600 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
632035;1398009718;*;fluffypony probably would too
632036;1398010085;TestingUnoDosTre;Or yahoo, maybe I'll just go to a library with my laptop that has all my personal info, then I'll sign onto public wifi
632037;1398010094;TestingUnoDosTre;Ya kno*
632038;1398010118;fluffypony;heh heh
632039;1398010140;fluffypony;he either got extremely cocky or he was seriously amateur, like more than anyone realised
632040;1398011302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.49000031 = 4.9 BTC [-] {5} 
632041;1398011668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3268 @ 0.00099317 = 3.2457 BTC [-]
632042;1398011748;fluffypony;http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/completely-insane-saga-coinbet-cc/2014/04/20
632043;1398011912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6081 @ 0.00099062 = 6.024 BTC [-]
632044;1398011913;fluffypony;TestingUnoDosTre: you'll enjoy that article
632045;1398011929;TestingUnoDosTre;Reading currently
632046;1398011942;thestringpuller;is coinbet older than bitbet?
632047;1398011975;fluffypony;thestringpuller: no, way newer
632048;1398012007;fluffypony;coinet: Creation Date: 2013-12-08T14:23:40Z
632049;1398012025;thestringpuller;what is their bet volume?
632050;1398012027;fluffypony;bitbet: Domain Registration Date: Thu Oct 25 15:10:31 GMT 2012
632051;1398012046;fluffypony;no clue, they had a lot of media coverage and a reasonably pretty site
632052;1398012339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.0347999 = 0.7308 BTC [+] {2} 
632053;1398012400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03582785 = 0.2508 BTC [+] {3} 
632054;1398013010;thestringpuller;hmm
632055;1398013071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00098927 = 23.1984 BTC [-] {2} 
632056;1398013261;thestringpuller;wow
632057;1398013264;thestringpuller;dats fucked
632058;1398013437;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00078005 = 0.156 BTC [-] {2} 
632059;1398013621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00099115 = 14.9168 BTC [+] {2} 
632060;1398014352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00099487 = 25.3692 BTC [+] {3} 
632061;1398014716;cgcardona_;top of tha mornin
632062;1398014764;cgcardona_;happy jesus zombie apocalypse day if that's your thang
632063;1398014801;cgcardona_;that reminded me of a joke
632064;1398014810;cgcardona_;Q: What does a vegetarian zombie crave?
632065;1398014815;cgcardona_;A: GRAAAAAIIIIINNNNNSSSS
632066;1398014821;*;cgcardona_ takes a bow
632067;1398014823;artifexd;lol
632068;1398014844;artifexd;I'm going to tell that to my daughter right now.
632069;1398014849;cgcardona_;:-]
632070;1398014901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00098793 = 12.2997 BTC [-] {2} 
632071;1398014917;cgcardona_;;;ticker
632072;1398014918;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.12, Best ask: 496.39, Bid-ask spread: 2.27000, Last trade: 496.39, 24 hour volume: 6695.70110054, 24 hour low: 490.59, 24 hour high: 516.53, 24 hour vwap: 504.347342987
632073;1398014951;artifexd;She laughed as well
632074;1398014980;cgcardona_;awesome :-]
632075;1398015938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11110 @ 0.00098759 = 10.9721 BTC [-] {2} 
632076;1398016487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00099568 = 6.0239 BTC [+]
632077;1398016806;fluffypony;cgcardona_: just told that to my wife (she's vegetarian), now she's walking around doing her Plants vs. Zombies impersonation
632078;1398016806;fluffypony;:-P
632079;1398016857;cgcardona_;:)
632080;1398018012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00099616 = 14.3447 BTC [+] {2} 
632081;1398018029;kakobrekla;hi
632082;1398018252;benkay;mornin kakobrekla
632083;1398018263;kakobrekla;heya, hows it goin
632084;1398018323;benkay;lazing around the cabin
632085;1398018327;benkay;someone else is making breakfast
632086;1398018343;benkay;how're you all?
632087;1398018382;kakobrekla;cant speak for the others anymore, left the conference today and just arrived home
632088;1398018395;kakobrekla;but im well, had a really nice time, again.
632089;1398018420;benkay;next year in timisoara
632090;1398018510;cgcardona_;what conference? (good morning btw)
632091;1398018528;kakobrekla;next year its not in timisoara
632092;1398018538;kakobrekla;but in argentina, it seems.
632093;1398018548;kakobrekla;(and i dont think ill go)
632094;1398018558;kakobrekla;cgcardona_  http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/
632095;1398018621;TestingUnoDosTre;What's wrong with argentina?
632096;1398018653;kakobrekla;too much overhead.
632097;1398018653;benkay;right on.
632098;1398018695;kakobrekla;i guess it depends where you are flying from.
632099;1398018727;cgcardona_;ah, a trilema conf. very cool.
632100;1398018747;kakobrekla;not really a trilema but more of a bitcoin/-assets conf
632101;1398018755;cgcardona_;also very cool
632102;1398018883;TestingUnoDosTre;Yes indeed
632103;1398018914;kakobrekla;here, im pretty sure im allowed to post it, http://i.imgur.com/qmhLfrA.jpg
632104;1398018996;thestringpuller;which one is you kako?
632105;1398019002;kakobrekla;i took the pic.
632106;1398019020;thestringpuller;i see how it is
632107;1398019025;thestringpuller;kako isn't a real person but a camera
632108;1398019037;thestringpuller;kako = assbot = robot = ai
632109;1398019040;thestringpuller;IT ALL MAKES SENSE
632110;1398019048;kakobrekla;dammit you got me :\
632111;1398019056;fluffypony;but who was phone?
632112;1398019070;kakobrekla;i have a large amount of phone number, no worris.
632113;1398019139;cgcardona_;kakobrekla: epic pic!! +1
632114;1398019153;kakobrekla;a couple of people are missing on that one, but more pic will come i bet.
632115;1398019161;Duffer1;Easy Credit? is there significance to the location?
632116;1398019184;kakobrekla;lel.
632117;1398019222;cgcardona_;looks for kakobrekla's reflection in the window. no luck.
632118;1398019246;kakobrekla;you think im that stupid!? :)
632119;1398019269;cgcardona_;:)
632120;1398019476;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
632121;1398019477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9757 @ 0.00099591 = 9.7171 BTC [-]
632122;1398019620;thestringpuller;so I only recognize mp in that picture
632123;1398019628;thestringpuller;who else is in that pic?
632124;1398019789;kakobrekla;i wont say.
632125;1398019953;TestingUnoDosTre;Why easy credit?
632126;1398020036;thestringpuller;one of them is asciilifeform ;)
632127;1398020218;dignork;;;later tell pankkake item arrived, tell me where to send the rest
632128;1398020219;gribble;The operation succeeded.
632129;1398020271;cgcardona_;i had been hoping to go to the national bitcoin congress in china next month but I would have way rather been at that party.
632130;1398020277;cgcardona_;that crew looks epic
632131;1398020311;cgcardona_;and fwiw I'm bailing on the china plan. I cant book the plane tickets and hotel before applying for a visa
632132;1398020321;cgcardona_;i'm unclear on if I can get a visa and I don't want to take a wash on the btc.
632133;1398020462;FabianB;you need plane tickets and hotel for the visa forms
632134;1398020523;cgcardona_;in the case of china yes
632135;1398020537;cgcardona_;of course I could probably just book the tix and then cancel them if I don't get the visa.
632136;1398020558;cgcardona_;but I don't see myself going throught that trouble
632137;1398020572;cgcardona_;plus I'm living in hawaii now and you need someone to go in person to a chinese consulate
632138;1398020587;cgcardona_;so I would need to pay a friend to do it for me in SF and that seems like a hassle as well.
632139;1398021123;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00098564 = 15.721 BTC [-]
632140;1398021245;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 79 @ 0.03767973 = 2.9767 BTC [+] {8} 
632141;1398021306;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.03943876 = 1.3015 BTC [+] {10} 
632142;1398021337;cgcardona_;looks like a cool place http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Timisoara_-_University_Square_at_night.jpg
632143;1398021436;kakobrekla;i had coffee and icecream there, but last year that.
632144;1398021550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04300169 = 0.129 BTC [-] {3} 
632145;1398021672;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
632146;1398022038;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54600 @ 0.00099475 = 54.3134 BTC [+] {4} 
632147;1398022218;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6304815#msg6304815
632148;1398022219;ozbot;Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
632149;1398022347;Duffer1;holy crap
632150;1398022354;Duffer1;1MatthewNWrightisaScammer124DNsfX
632151;1398022374;Duffer1;^goats btc profile addres
632152;1398022392;Duffer1;i wonder how long that took to find
632153;1398022402;kakobrekla;he doesnt have the private key to it
632154;1398022425;Duffer1;oh i see
632155;1398022564;Duffer1;man i wish goat hung out in here
632156;1398022590;cgcardona_;classic burner address
632157;1398022608;kakobrekla;im not sure he could talk.
632158;1398022610;cgcardona_;1YoMomIsABTCBurner124Dnzf
632159;1398022796;thestringpuller;he used to hang out in here
632160;1398022825;Duffer1;i saw him a couple times, but that was last year
632161;1398022892;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
632162;1398023183;cgcardona_;so much drama out in public on the bitcointalk forum.
632163;1398023211;cgcardona_;It'll be interesting for historians to look through in 100 years and chuckle
632164;1398023251;kakobrekla;that thing has negative value.
632165;1398023355;FabianB;bitcointalk should include http://theonion.github.io/fartscroll.js/
632166;1398023380;cgcardona_;haha nice
632167;1398023413;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/4cNIiPF.jpg
632168;1398023417;fluffypony;that is a tuna fish
632169;1398023444;fluffypony;bluefin tuna, live weight of 415kg and a gutted weight of 361kg
632170;1398023456;Duffer1;new zealand?
632171;1398023486;fluffypony;yep
632172;1398023505;fluffypony;how did you know, Duffer1?
632173;1398023536;Duffer1;saw a post on reddit
632174;1398023546;fluffypony;ah ok
632175;1398023583;Duffer1;i don't recall how long ago, but they talked about fishing truly massive tuna's off the coast during a certain time of year
632176;1398023619;fluffypony;my brain hurts imagining a fish being that size...when I think in those proportions I expect it to be a whale or a shark or a dolphin or something
632177;1398023621;fluffypony;not a tuna
632178;1398023647;Duffer1;ya
632179;1398023653;Duffer1;that thing must be worth millions
632180;1398023716;fluffypony;last year in Japan a 221Kg bluefin sold for $1.8 million
632181;1398023731;cgcardona_;wow I just realized that 4/20 got hijacked by Easter this year!
632182;1398023733;fluffypony;but it was during their new year's auction, so that pushed the price up
632183;1398023736;cgcardona_;*shakes fist at Jesus*
632184;1398023768;Duffer1;it's not jesus' fault, passover was last week
632185;1398023778;Duffer1;blame catholics for laziness
632186;1398023792;Duffer1;:)
632187;1398023798;cgcardona_;heh
632188;1398023929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3326 @ 0.00098564 = 3.2782 BTC [-]
632189;1398023955;cgcardona_;my son was just opening some easter presents and he got a pen which writes in ink which only shows up when you shine a little black light which is hidden in the cap onto the paper. Kid spy gear
632190;1398024147;artifexd;Put that ink in your printer and make a super sekrit paper wallet.
632191;1398024223;cgcardona_;O_o
632192;1398024226;cgcardona_;genius
632193;1398024234;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 55 @ 0.0742218 = 4.0822 BTC [-]
632194;1398024253;cgcardona_;sekuritee by obscurity
632195;1398024347;fluffypony;speaking of that
632196;1398024354;fluffypony;I had a fight with one of the DCs that host a server for me today
632197;1398024380;fluffypony;it gets DDoS'd occasionally, so I added DDoS protection on a single port for that server
632198;1398024386;fluffypony;so that HTTPS can still get through
632199;1398024394;fluffypony;(server is behind CloudFlare as well)
632200;1398024422;fluffypony;they give me a secondary IP that will proxy traffic and still be available during a DDoS
632201;1398024445;fluffypony;so today it gets DDoS'd and they null-route the main IP, and HTTPS on that 2nd IP isn't working
632202;1398024467;fluffypony;open a support ticket and get told that because the main IP is null-routed the DDoS protected IP can't proxy to it
632203;1398024506;fluffypony;so I asked them why I was paying for DDoS protection when it relies on an attacker never knowing the server's main IP ever under any circumstances
632204;1398024518;fluffypony;and I told them that it sounds an awful lot like security through obscurity
632205;1398024531;fluffypony;and cancelled the DDoS protection bullshit
632206;1398024551;artifexd;sekuritee by obskuritee <- ftfy
632207;1398024600;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.0660488 = 2.642 BTC [-] {4} 
632208;1398024620;fluffypony;artifexd: yeah that
632209;1398024643;fluffypony;your system is now sekure!*
632210;1398024650;fluffypony;*as long as an attacker doesn't know your IP
632211;1398024722;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.035 = 0.175 BTC [-]
632212;1398024723;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [-]
632213;1398024737;artifexd;http://trilema.com/2013/a-little-bit-of-ddos/ <- seen that?
632214;1398024737;ozbot;A little bit of DDOS pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
632215;1398024764;fluffypony;*clicks*
632216;1398024769;cgcardona_;i guess I should just submit and order a bunch of trilema credits
632217;1398024815;artifexd;The problem with trilema credits isn't the investment in btc. That's pretty trivail.
632218;1398024818;artifexd;*trivial
632219;1398024866;artifexd;The problem with trilema credits is the investment in time.  Reading becomes a very large time investment.
632220;1398024899;artifexd;Worth it, imo. Still, it does take up a lot of time. BE AWARE! ;)
632221;1398024915;cgcardona_;good advice
632222;1398024963;fluffypony;artifexd: the problem is that this particular server will always be discoverable, as it runs a bunch of altcoin wallets, so anyone traversing nodes to DDoS a particular scamcoin will come across it
632223;1398024968;fluffypony;or may come across it
632224;1398025027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
632225;1398025101;artifexd;Yeah. The key does seem to be having the server doing the work not directly accessible from the internet.
632226;1398025125;fluffypony;yep
632227;1398025151;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
632228;1398025168;fluffypony;with this I'm probably just going to get a /28 and separate bindings out, that way if an IP is null-routed it doesn't affect the rest of them
632229;1398025698;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03500004 = 0.175 BTC [+] {2} 
632230;1398025699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.043 = 0.215 BTC [-] {4} 
632231;1398025700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
632232;1398026247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.035 = 0.105 BTC [-] {2} 
632233;1398026248;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04253334 = 0.1276 BTC [-] {2} 
632234;1398026249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-] {2} 
632235;1398026308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.035 = 0.105 BTC [-] {2} 
632236;1398026309;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [-] {2} 
632237;1398026310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-] {2} 
632238;1398026430;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 29 @ 0.0742218 = 2.1524 BTC [-]
632239;1398026979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1700 @ 0.00013468 = 0.229 BTC [+] {4} 
632240;1398028260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43486 @ 0.0009847 = 42.8207 BTC [-] {4} 
632241;1398028504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18514 @ 0.00098368 = 18.2119 BTC [-]
632242;1398029175;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
632243;1398029176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17828 @ 0.00098356 = 17.5349 BTC [-] {2} 
632244;1398029785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03116666 = 0.4675 BTC [-] {3} 
632245;1398029846;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 45 @ 0.0310195 = 1.3959 BTC [-]
632246;1398029847;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 101 @ 0.0448999 = 4.5349 BTC [+] {3} 
632247;1398030019;jurov;so today i found out TAT is more addicted to this chan than me
632248;1398030039;jurov;he's been checking logs all day
632249;1398030090;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.02998482 = 0.3598 BTC [-] {6} 
632250;1398030091;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04489994 = 0.3592 BTC [+] {2} 
632251;1398030116;kakobrekla;heh
632252;1398030129;kakobrekla;but the thing was/is almost ded.
632253;1398030184;jurov;mircea will certainly come soon, maybe after a lil fuck
632254;1398030190;kakobrekla;btw, i must know, was there any raining today?
632255;1398030204;jurov;only few drops
632256;1398030209;kakobrekla;dammit.
632257;1398030283;jurov;hopefully will be better in argentina :DDD
632258;1398030421;cgcardona_;is argentina 100% for sure the locations (as 100% as anything can be of course)
632259;1398030426;Apocalyptic;so how was the conference guys N
632260;1398030477;cgcardona_;*for sure the location?
632261;1398030505;jurov;mp seems serious.. and he did wrote in past he wants to move there
632262;1398030533;jurov;cuz no radioactive milk in patagonia :D
632263;1398030774;jurov;Apocalyptic: imagine world directors talking about important topics whole days wrapped in clouds of smoke
632264;1398030803;jurov;with electronics demo and sightseeing walk thrown in for diversity :)
632265;1398030814;Apocalyptic;sounds like fun
632266;1398030835;kakobrekla;did you get the batteries for cardano demo?
632267;1398030890;jurov;afaik they had some at reception
632268;1398030914;kakobrekla;ah
632269;1398030927;kakobrekla;perhaps the ones from tv remote would work
632270;1398030945;kakobrekla;i didnt think of that at the time.
632271;1398030954;jurov;certainly, ascii said it draws 3 mA
632272;1398030982;jurov;awake your inner mcgyver!
632273;1398030984;kakobrekla;i think they should be AA, not AAA because of the socket he had
632274;1398031005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00098614 = 22.5826 BTC [+] {2} 
632275;1398031005;jurov;i think aaa are of same length
632276;1398031013;kakobrekla;oh are they
632277;1398031017;kakobrekla;never noticed
632278;1398031070;cgcardona_;" imagine world directors talking about important topics whole days wrapped in clouds of smoke with electronics demo and sightseeing walk thrown in for diversity" <--- count me in
632279;1398031087;jurov;Apocalyptic and I forgot to mention evening program (beer, table football and so)
632280;1398031108;fluffypony;I love foosball
632281;1398031111;fluffypony;haven't played in years
632282;1398031249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00098824 = 8.7953 BTC [+]
632283;1398031981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300 @ 0.00098824 = 0.2965 BTC [+]
632284;1398032042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 357 @ 0.00055999 = 0.1999 BTC [-]
632285;1398032225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 215 @ 0.00098824 = 0.2125 BTC [+]
632286;1398032359;cgcardona_;;;ticker
632287;1398032360;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 496.57, Best ask: 498.83, Bid-ask spread: 2.26000, Last trade: 496.53, 24 hour volume: 5907.99617596, 24 hour low: 493.0, 24 hour high: 516.53, 24 hour vwap: 504.603594399
632288;1398033506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00099319 = 17.2318 BTC [+] {2} 
632289;1398034543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17610 @ 0.00098975 = 17.4295 BTC [-]
632290;1398034849;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
632291;1398035153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2632 @ 0.00098532 = 2.5934 BTC [-]
632292;1398035251;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
632293;1398035259;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 500.96, vol: 5840.89255742 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 492.5, vol: 5478.51853 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 504.75, vol: 4653.01413701 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 503.95, vol: 15.44900163 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 499.635584, vol: 3337.89650000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 504.73422, vol: 1.540555 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 508.341386, vol: 33.12719402 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
632294;1398035338;kakobrekla;http://www.distractify.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads//2014/04/rare-historical-photos-24-620x.jpg
632295;1398036878;benkay;so what was the deal with the cardano and batteries?
632296;1398037044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00098825 = 13.0449 BTC [+] {2} 
632297;1398037155;kakobrekla;ah nothing, Stanislav offered me an early private demo yesterday at 3am just before going to bed, which i gratefully accepted, but we were short on batteries and i didnt think of taking them from the remote control at the time. for todays show, i wasnt there.
632298;1398037517;benkay;i see
632299;1398038020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00099284 = 29.3881 BTC [+] {3} 
632300;1398038051;BingoBoingo;Is it not still CR 2032 button cells?
632301;1398038063;BingoBoingo;;;later tell thestringpuller Haven't seen it yet.
632302;1398038063;gribble;The operation succeeded.
632303;1398038691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00099361 = 16.0468 BTC [+]
632304;1398039972;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04260302 = 0.1704 BTC [-] {2} 
632305;1398040155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06695 = 0.1339 BTC [-] {2} 
632306;1398040277;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0686799 = 0.1374 BTC [+]
632307;1398042534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00099475 = 12.5836 BTC [+] {2} 
632308;1398042595;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04489993 = 0.1347 BTC [+]
632309;1398042601;thestringpuller;hey BingoBoingo
632310;1398042609;BingoBoingo;hey thestringpuller
632311;1398042614;thestringpuller;you should see it. you'd love it
632312;1398042655;BingoBoingo;I guess I have to now
632313;1398042663;thestringpuller;makes me secretly root for the Athletics
632314;1398042667;thestringpuller;Go Oakland
632315;1398042670;thestringpuller;along with the Braves lol
632316;1398043505;BingoBoingo;Yeah, Oakland seems to be a lot of people's "other favorite"
632317;1398044425;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06612 = 0.1984 BTC [-]
632318;1398044486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4900012 BTC [+]
632319;1398044547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00099533 = 10.3017 BTC [+]
632320;1398046133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.49 = 1.96 BTC [-]
632321;1398046317;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.06784682 = 2.2389 BTC [+] {5} 
632322;1398046926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14781 @ 0.00099384 = 14.6899 BTC [-] {2} 
632323;1398047353;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00491234 = 0.4912 BTC [-] {8} 
632324;1398048512;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0671 = 0.671 BTC [-]
632325;1398048634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 27190 @ 0.00016371 = 4.4513 BTC [+] {4} 
632326;1398048817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.06546913 = 0.9166 BTC [-] {13} 
632327;1398049061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03408166 = 0.2045 BTC [+] {4} 
632328;1398049160;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: who is your team?
632329;1398049200;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Cardinals.
632330;1398049366;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03749999 = 0.1125 BTC [+]
632331;1398049427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03781332 = 0.4538 BTC [+] {4} 
632332;1398049428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11904 @ 0.00099357 = 11.8275 BTC [-]
632333;1398049574;thestringpuller;haha that was one of the best series' last season
632334;1398049835;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Yeah, I always like our series with the braves, because it is always two solid high performing teams.
632335;1398049870;BingoBoingo;None of this Marlins bullshit where everything is predicated on Fernandez pitching and Stanton hitting.
632336;1398050403;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04256766 = 0.1277 BTC [-] {3} 
632337;1398050464;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0672 = 0.1344 BTC [+] {2} 
632338;1398050886;benkay;well
632339;1398050892;benkay;what does q2 have in store for us?
632340;1398051013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00099357 = 14.0093 BTC [-]
632341;1398051560;BingoBoingo;benkay: Is there an emoticon for the awkward turtle?
632342;1398051900;benkay;not that i'd know, BingoBoingo
632343;1398051911;benkay;the depth of my emoticon language is like >.>
632344;1398051950;BingoBoingo;benkay: Well my prediction for the US 2014 Q2 - 2015 Q3 is plenty of awkwardness.
632345;1398052006;benkay;whaddaya mean by awkwardness though? derpy 'founder's of more tender years than i?
632346;1398052074;benkay;or just this dancing-around-trying-to-grab-each-others-nuts that is the price finding game in the absence of a clear price signal
632347;1398052307;BingoBoingo;benkay: I'm just thinking of what Putin is doing in Ukraine vs. Bush-Obama in the US. It's going to force a lot of soul searching at the top of the US about the essence of being a super power when mapped onto results.
632348;1398052534;BingoBoingo;I doubt action of the favoritism that promotes golden toilet worship, this tension has been around awhile (see the late Col Hackworth)
632349;1398052681;BingoBoingo;I'd be on the lookout for quiet, coded realizations in print that the US fell out of Superpower status without the fanfare of other's who have left the club in the past.
632350;1398052721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00099515 = 15.7234 BTC [+] {3} 
632351;1398052922;BingoBoingo;benkay: The economic grabass in the US will probably follow from this and the already documented economic malstructuring
632352;1398053270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4172 @ 0.00099548 = 4.1531 BTC [+] {2} 
632353;1398053636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5834 @ 0.0009955 = 5.8077 BTC [+]
632354;1398053636;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.02984668 = 0.7462 BTC [-] {10} 
632355;1398054307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00099357 = 7.6505 BTC [-]
632356;1398054368;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4999999 = 1 BTC [+]
632357;1398056625;bitcoinpete;;;later tell benkay i'll work on that :D
632358;1398056625;gribble;The operation succeeded.
632359;1398056631;bitcoinpete;in case anyone missed this:
632360;1398056634;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/the-brokenness-of-maidsafe/
632361;1398056635;ozbot;The Brokenness of MaidSafe | When Bitcoin Met Pete
632362;1398056671;bitcoinpete;maidsafe probably isn't going to gain much traction anyways, but i thought i'd call it out just to be sure.
632363;1398056808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11393 @ 0.00099357 = 11.3197 BTC [-]
632364;1398057163;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Doing so is always a good exercise
632365;1398057174;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06601051 = 0.6601 BTC [-]
632366;1398057203;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: gotta flex those muscles, touch those toes once in a while
632367;1398057212;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Yeah
632368;1398057296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5215 @ 0.00099521 = 5.19 BTC [+] {2} 
632369;1398057357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9534 @ 0.0009966 = 9.5016 BTC [+]
632370;1398057368;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: As a great man once said "No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. You won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
632371;1398057473;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: The same person also said "When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty. It may not sound nice to a bunch of little old ladies, at an afternoon tea party, but it helps my soldiers to remember. You can't run an army without profanity, and it has to be eloquent profanity. An army without profanity couldn't fight its way out of a piss-soaked paper bag."
632372;1398057507;bitcoinpete;i'd love to hear some of the chinese profanity
632373;1398057564;bitcoinpete;was just watching videos of f-15s taking off the Liaoning
632374;1398057626;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Really?
632375;1398057701;BingoBoingo;I was kind of just bringing up these quotes in the context of addressing scammers. It isn't enough to merely be better than the scammers through knowing. You have to make them answer for their purpose, and in doing so you have to use language that sticks
632376;1398057723;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.5 = 4.5 BTC [+]
632377;1398057758;bitcoinpete;greater good and good sport
632378;1398057816;bitcoinpete;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIuK28hmicY
632379;1398057816;ozbot;Liaoning Carrier A Symbol of National Power - YouTube
632380;1398057879;bitcoinpete;it also turns out that in arabic "happy easter" means "happy passover"
632381;1398057880;bitcoinpete;http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/notebook.htm
632382;1398057945;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: You know... Those planes aren't F-15's...
632383;1398058042;BingoBoingo;J-15's
632384;1398058117;bitcoinpete;j, yes...
632385;1398058132;BingoBoingo;In the big picture the differance is probably irrelevant
632386;1398058216;BingoBoingo;(The choice of differance over difference was intentional)
632387;1398058878;fluffypony;bitcoinpete: making a fuzz, lol
632388;1398058882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06601051 = 0.3301 BTC [-]
632389;1398059007;bitcoinpete;fluffypony: always ;)
632390;1398059028;fluffypony;"DavidT: i guess yes you are making a fuzz unnecessarily. and asking nicely and calmly or doing more research may get you more info i reckon."
632391;1398059034;fluffypony;making a fuzz is going to be my new phrase
632392;1398059136;fluffypony;"The SAFEst thing for Bitcoiners to do is keep their coins, back-up their hard drives, and encrypt their important files using PGP/GPG. The SAFEst thing for you to do is to find a VC or go back to the drawing board." <- best line in the article
632393;1398059614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00099456 = 19.195 BTC [-] {2} 
632394;1398059889;bitcoinpete;fluffypony: ya the comments sections is getting better. it's fun to watch the flailers flail in there
632395;1398060555;bitcoinpete;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pj4L7C2twI#t=219
632396;1398060556;ozbot;Poo2Loo: Poo Party - YouTube
632397;1398060608;bitcoinpete;UNICEF poopy music video. there's gotta be a cryptocoin crowdsourcing idea in there somewhere. maybe asciilifeform's shitcoin?
632398;1398060905;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform doesn't strike me as the kind of person that would release a shitcoin
632399;1398060977;jurov;Apocalyptic he had another kind of shitcoin in mind
632400;1398060989;jurov;look it up on loper-os
632401;1398061023;bitcoinpete;;;google loper-os shitcoin
632402;1398061023;gribble;Loper OS » Shitcoin: a Modest Proposal.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=988>; Loper OS » On the fact that Bitcoin has a Kill Switch; and how to ...: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1009>; Loper OS » Idea: <http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=9>
632403;1398061418;bitcoinpete;.d
632404;1398061418;ozbot;6.979 billion | Next Diff in 1434 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.3216% in 8d 12h 33m 24s
632405;1398061438;bitcoinpete;damn those govs can mine
632406;1398061439;jurov;i think he won't go throught with it, we convinced him that having to check every coin for encumbrances is impractical
632407;1398061505;BingoBoingo;I also think he came around to an objection to shitcoin on first principles eventually.
632408;1398061550;jurov;i see he added himself "they will be worth less"
632409;1398061721;jurov;but i can't imagine being a merchant to weigh every customer's reputation how much less are his coins worth
632410;1398061810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15948 @ 0.00099302 = 15.8367 BTC [-] {2} 
632411;1398062186;BingoBoingo;Well, worth less is far from worthless
632412;1398062275;jurov;but how much less? that's completely handwaved over
632413;1398062348;BingoBoingo;Well, how much is Litecoin worth? These things have to be handwaved, because such matters are indeterminate until practice forces them
632414;1398062349;BingoBoingo;reeses: Last week's panic over taking National Guard Attack helicopters: There is still a nuclear armed National Guard Unit.
632415;1398062359;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00485 = 0.3007 BTC [-]
632416;1398062362;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/131st_Fighter_Wing
632417;1398062362;ozbot;131st Bomb Wing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
632418;1398062386;BingoBoingo;Damn auto correct highlighting reeses instead of allowing RE:
632419;1398062391;jurov;BingoBoingo:  litecoins don't expire on a whim of investors
632420;1398062422;jurov;and their value does not depends on who is offering them
632421;1398062475;BingoBoingo;Are you sure litecoins don't expire on the whims of investors/speculators? 1 LTC = 1 LTC, but beyond that... Who pumps them at a particular time seems to affect their value quite a bit.
632422;1398062511;jurov;so you see no difference between them and ascii's shitcoins?
632423;1398062542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.51375488 = 3.0825 BTC [+] {3} 
632424;1398062558;fluffypony;reeses pieces
632425;1398062603;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51375489 BTC [+]
632426;1398062620;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23g30d/dear_regulated_exchanges_if_you_hold_coins/cgwp8jp interesting tidbit about cavirtex
632427;1398062621;ozbot;justusranvier comments on Dear REGULATED Exchanges if you hold coins hostage until people are verifi
632428;1398062710;jurov;https://i.imgur.com/yi9hscm.png and this..lmao
632429;1398062720;BingoBoingo;jurov: I see differences, the primary one being that at least shitcoins represent BTC denominated balances
632430;1398062744;fluffypony;jurov: yeah, there's lots of fuss about Cavirtex allowing deposits without the person being approved, and then they can't withdraw their deposit
632431;1398062771;jurov;but "bitcoin deposits from utside canada are prohibited"?
632432;1398062798;fluffypony;yes, they're obviously a bit retarded or very, very sneaky
632433;1398062834;fluffypony;they have a regulatory requirement to only deal with Canadians, so I don't understand why they even show the deposit screen/address for unverified customers
632434;1398062842;fluffypony;surely it's one line of PHP/Ruby/whatever they use
632435;1398062852;fluffypony;if (isverified == true) { }
632436;1398062855;BingoBoingo;Well, they are the fuckers who ran with the money they raised on Havelock aren't they?
632437;1398062867;jurov;BingoBoingo indeed
632438;1398062881;fluffypony;yep
632439;1398062902;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: PHP and Ruby are the wrong tools for an "exchange"
632440;1398062908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00485 = 0.4026 BTC [-]
632441;1398062917;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: agreed
632442;1398062929;fluffypony;well, they're fine for the front-end bits, as long as they don't do any actual work
632443;1398062959;jurov;throw dude.js on that list
632444;1398062959;BingoBoingo;PHP ======= MagicalFux, Ruby ===== {Kumala}
632445;1398062980;fluffypony;heh
632446;1398063008;BingoBoingo;I dunno why otherwise reasonable seeming people take to liking shit.js
632447;1398063032;fluffypony;I hate it
632448;1398063146;fluffypony;I do have an unbridled love for php for front-end work (Laravel for structure, Blade for templating), but business logic/actual work should never be done in the front-end
632449;1398063151;fluffypony;separation of liabilities
632450;1398063246;BingoBoingo;Well, A lot of things on the internet are better not existing on the web level at all.
632451;1398063297;fluffypony;true
632452;1398063320;fluffypony;it seems that everything is http services layered on top of or replacing other protocols nowadays
632453;1398063327;fluffypony;"Bitcoin's a great protocol! Here's a web wallet."
632454;1398063367;BingoBoingo;Not even that. The You Can Message Someone on Facebook, as a replacement for email is a catalyst of suck.
632455;1398063375;fluffypony;eugh
632456;1398063380;fluffypony;so glad I'm not on Facebook
632457;1398063383;BingoBoingo;Webmail as a substitute for Pine is another.
632458;1398063396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56057 @ 0.00099551 = 55.8053 BTC [+] {3} 
632459;1398064186;BingoBoingo;3D printing propaganda: http://3dprint.com/2438/50-prosthetic-3d-printed-hand/
632460;1398064468;BingoBoingo;http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/04/21/0017239/42000-prosthetic-hand-outperformed-by-50-3d-printed-hand#
632461;1398064469;ozbot;$42,000 Prosthetic Hand Outperformed By $50 3D Printed Hand - Slashdot
632462;1398064494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8509 @ 0.00099669 = 8.4808 BTC [+] {2} 
632463;1398064494;BingoBoingo;"This drives me crazy when people don't include the costs of labor. It would be like someone getting a car donated to them and saying "Wow cars only cost $200 for a title and registration! Why do people pay thousands of dollars for a car!?" Because someone gave you one for free!"
632464;1398064640;BingoBoingo;I like how all of these discussions ignore the proper use of a hand which is satisfying a girl, so that you can use the girl to satisfy yourself.
632465;1398064801;BingoBoingo;!up Diablo-D3
632466;1398064801;assbot;Voicing Diablo-D3 for 30 minutes.
632467;1398064807;Diablo-D3;meh.
632468;1398064818;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: It's something
632469;1398064822;Diablo-D3;Trying to figure out how to identify with gribble
632470;1398064841;BingoBoingo;Well, you GPG or BC addy register?
632471;1398064852;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust assbot Diablo-D3
632472;1398064852;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Diablo-D3: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Diablo-D3 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Diablo-D3 | Rated since: Mon Apr 25 13:54:20 2011
632473;1398064866;Diablo-D3;my gpg is registered, but I dont keep the key on my laptop for obvious reasons
632474;1398064869;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: Looks like you can self up if you auth
632475;1398064887;Diablo-D3;oh, so I just need an account on wot?
632476;1398064892;BingoBoingo;Yeah
632477;1398064895;Diablo-D3;and I dont have to actually authenticate?
632478;1398064907;BingoBoingo;Well, you authenticate to gribble
632479;1398064922;BingoBoingo;Key management is and ought to be a personal thing
632480;1398064938;Diablo-D3;last time I had to authenticate on gribble I needed to sign a message with my pgp key
632481;1398064940;Diablo-D3;which is absurd
632482;1398064942;BingoBoingo;Better and worse solutions existing
632483;1398064962;BingoBoingo;I honestly usually use the decrypt option.
632484;1398064970;Diablo-D3;er, right, that thing
632485;1398064976;Diablo-D3;its been awhile since Ive given a shit about it
632486;1398065021;Diablo-D3;the bot should just be set to autovoice me
632487;1398065023;BingoBoingo;it is truly amazing how much text you can pass on a printed page
632488;1398065023;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
632489;1398065033;Diablo-D3;[03:17:34] <BingoBoingo> I like how all of these discussions ignore the proper use of a hand which is satisfying a girl, so that you can use the girl to satisfy yourself.
632490;1398065074;Diablo-D3;I have satisfied a girl with my hands before
632491;1398065081;Diablo-D3;its not what I'm known for, however.
632492;1398065170;BingoBoingo;Well, hand (clean) explores vagina to determine if clean or not, Mouth (clean) explores dick to determine if clean or not
632493;1398065214;BingoBoingo;These customs arise for reasons.
632494;1398065272;BingoBoingo;!up HeySteve
632495;1398065272;assbot;Voicing HeySteve for 30 minutes.
632496;1398065409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00099684 = 12.0618 BTC [+] {2} 
632497;1398065485;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: My biggest criticism of "paleo" is that practitioners emphasize dietary bullshit over actual factors contributing to human success like hygeine.
632498;1398065507;Diablo-D3;BingoBoingo: not at all
632499;1398065564;Diablo-D3;BingoBoingo: like, I use fluoride free toothpaste and detergent free soap
632500;1398065630;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: Honestly I really dun give a shit about that anyways, detergents are just surfactants that aren't derived from fatty acids, as a class detergent is a meaningless designation
632501;1398065654;BingoBoingo;!up punkman1
632502;1398065654;assbot;Voicing punkman1 for 30 minutes.
632503;1398065665;Diablo-D3;BingoBoingo: this is true, but what Im saying is, I use dr bronner's.
632504;1398065753;BingoBoingo;Eh, I'm the sort that instead of using gold bond powders the nuts with zeasorb, because it offers moar power
632505;1398065775;Diablo-D3;yeah, and Ive never actually had that problem
632506;1398065865;BingoBoingo;I've never had a problem either beyond nuts sticking to thighs, because moist. The aim though is not merely to survive, but to make the worst case impossible.
632507;1398065988;BingoBoingo;Better living through knowledge of chemistry and all of that
632508;1398065997;Diablo-D3;I agree
632509;1398066002;Diablo-D3;but the problem is, you have to find what works
632510;1398066022;Diablo-D3;paleo is about using products that dont cause some sort of immune response or arent otherwise toxic
632511;1398066058;Diablo-D3;BingoBoingo: some people DO get this wrong and get weirdly hippy about it
632512;1398066067;Diablo-D3;they arent doing paleo, they're just being hippies
632513;1398066086;BingoBoingo;Eh, I mix poison ivy into salad at least once a year.
632514;1398066129;BingoBoingo;I try to keep my immune system in a state as close to total war as possible
632515;1398066138;Diablo-D3;yes, and thats a thing
632516;1398066150;Diablo-D3;I prefer removing as many irritants as possible
632517;1398066155;Diablo-D3;so my body CAN have an immune response
632518;1398066214;BingoBoingo;Immune response is important, but it has to point the right direction
632519;1398066243;Diablo-D3;like, grains/sugars/etc really fuck up your immune response
632520;1398066275;BingoBoingo;Nah, that shit's fuel. If that is your definition of an irritant...
632521;1398066378;BingoBoingo;I mean denying the monder human body that shit is asking for portal vein hypertension
632522;1398066623;BingoBoingo;Onto another topic, Diablo-D3 what would be your ideal computer for offline signing and decryption?
632523;1398066651;fluffypony;!up Diablo-D3
632524;1398066651;assbot;Voicing Diablo-D3 for 30 minutes.
632525;1398066674;Diablo-D3;BingoBoingo: isnt one.
632526;1398066691;Diablo-D3;[03:44:49] <BingoBoingo> Nah, that shit's fuel. If that is your definition of an irritant...
632527;1398066696;Diablo-D3;it can be a fuel but its not the most efficient
632528;1398066705;fluffypony;this just sounds like it's going to go into the "make your own silicon, write your own OS" territory
632529;1398066709;Diablo-D3;the only carbs I intake are naturally in vegs
632530;1398066714;Diablo-D3;fluffypony: it basically is BUT
632531;1398066715;Diablo-D3;you cant
632532;1398066722;fluffypony;exactly
632533;1398066728;Diablo-D3;because shit is only secure when everyone on the planet has audited it and said so
632534;1398066729;BingoBoingo;My favorite veggie is maize
632535;1398066734;Diablo-D3;I will say though, and Ive been saying this for awhile
632536;1398066743;Diablo-D3;dont use openssl, use nss
632537;1398066751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4870 @ 0.00099801 = 4.8603 BTC [+] {2} 
632538;1398066751;fluffypony;so taking a step back from that ideal, Raspberry Pi/BeagleBone Black?
632539;1398066754;BingoBoingo;Nah, rolling your own silicon should be possible by nao
632540;1398066795;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: neither. Pick  beast from the 80's and write it to a cheap FPGA dev board
632541;1398066811;fluffypony;mebbe
632542;1398066812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2294 @ 0.00099948 = 2.2928 BTC [+]
632543;1398066839;fluffypony;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_computing_hardware
632544;1398066839;ozbot;Open-source computing hardware - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
632545;1398066871;fluffypony;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milkymist <- interesting
632546;1398066871;ozbot;M-Labs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
632547;1398066872;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: If BFL taught us anything it is that it takes little to make dedicated silicon for a dream architecture.
632548;1398066893;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: sure, in quantity, but if you're rolling it yourself for your own purposes?
632549;1398066923;Diablo-D3;fluffypony: something like the rpi works
632550;1398066928;Diablo-D3;its unlikely theres any major problems with it
632551;1398066933;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Why advertise it as that? Posit the thing as a student architecture.
632552;1398066949;Diablo-D3;although all nics ARE backdoored and can DMA anywhere in ram
632553;1398066958;BingoBoingo;An actual top down version of what RPi wants to be
632554;1398066976;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: Yeah, ethernet is the big problem
632555;1398066976;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: someone needs to fab the silicon, and are you going to get an electron microscope to check that its to-spec?
632556;1398066993;Diablo-D3;you could strip the ethernet out and use usb to serial or w/e
632557;1398067008;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: RS-232
632558;1398067011;fluffypony;Diablo-D3: if we're going air-gapped for offline signing/decryption ethernet shouldn't be a concern
632559;1398067013;Diablo-D3;like I said, serial
632560;1398067016;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: niggers.txt
632561;1398067025;Diablo-D3;fluffypony: you have to update the software either way
632562;1398067030;fluffypony;Diablo-D3: true
632563;1398067036;Diablo-D3;fluffypony: and airgapped doesnt work with bitcoin
632564;1398067048;BingoBoingo;No, updating the software defeats an actual air gap
632565;1398067058;Diablo-D3;BingoBoingo: then hell
632566;1398067060;fluffypony;Diablo-D3: you can sign transactions offline
632567;1398067060;Diablo-D3;just use gpg on dos.
632568;1398067075;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: Air gap on Dos can work
632569;1398067076;Diablo-D3;(yes, theres a gpg build out there somewhere for dos)
632570;1398067096;BingoBoingo;C is a more portable language than Java
632571;1398067109;fluffypony;http://s3.computerhistory.org/source/msdos.zip
632572;1398067110;Diablo-D3;claiming java isnt portable, however, is a bad argument
632573;1398067124;Diablo-D3;because, sadly, it really does work on tons of shit
632574;1398067129;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: Not at all. I am jsut claiming C is more portable.
632575;1398067129;Diablo-D3;why? I dont know
632576;1398067139;Diablo-D3;BingoBoingo: C is portable to shit that should not be running C
632577;1398067169;Diablo-D3;anything written in modern C simply will not work on them without a lot of help
632578;1398067186;Diablo-D3;99.9% of shit will break if char is not 8 bit, short is not 16 bit, and int is not 32 bit
632579;1398067196;fluffypony;"You should be also be cautioned that the MSDOS stack is not deep.  You should not count on more than one or two pushes of the registers."
632580;1398067196;Diablo-D3;even though it is within the C specification for them not to be
632581;1398067234;Diablo-D3;(and yes, int cant be 64 bit either, some OS got this wrong and broke shit, long is the only one that should be native)
632582;1398067303;BingoBoingo;Still which of {C,Java} works best on Z80?
632583;1398067311;Diablo-D3;neither.
632584;1398067330;fluffypony;so someone needs to write GPG for BASIC?
632585;1398067332;Diablo-D3;C on 8 bit machines is horrid
632586;1398067343;fluffypony;20 GOTO 10
632587;1398067346;Diablo-D3;the gpg for dos thing is obviously a 32 bit binary
632588;1398067364;BingoBoingo;The point of C is to be horrid, to be the last resort.
632589;1398067377;Diablo-D3;not really
632590;1398067394;Diablo-D3;Ive coded C for over 15 years
632591;1398067406;Diablo-D3;if you know how to use it, its a nice language
632592;1398067421;BingoBoingo;C is a nice language. I am not disputing that.
632593;1398067436;Diablo-D3;C is an absolutely fucking horrid language
632594;1398067441;Diablo-D3;I said "if you know how to use it"
632595;1398067447;Diablo-D3;it takes the better part of a decade to get there.
632596;1398067450;bounce;so what do you prefer? haskell? ruby?
632597;1398067465;Diablo-D3;bounce: I had a love affair with erlang for awhile
632598;1398067469;BingoBoingo;bounce: 68K assembly.
632599;1398067477;Diablo-D3;ruby is a fucking shit pile
632600;1398067481;bounce;too bad the z80 doesn't do that
632601;1398067485;BingoBoingo;TI-89 and classic Mac FTW
632602;1398067494;Diablo-D3;its like the guys who created it had no clue what the fuck a language was
632603;1398067498;Diablo-D3;and cargo culted it together
632604;1398067504;Diablo-D3;BingoBoingo: yay I have a ti-89
632605;1398067521;Diablo-D3;I need to take it apart though
632606;1398067530;bounce;anyway, mind sticking to the topic and present some viable engineering choices that'll work on z80? (as distinct from your personal preferences that work plenty fine on your desktop)
632607;1398067532;Diablo-D3;it hasnt been cleaned since I got it at the start of high school
632608;1398067538;Diablo-D3;and Im now 30.
632609;1398067549;Diablo-D3;I wipe the keys off sometimes, but theres shit just ground into it
632610;1398067615;BingoBoingo;bounce: Did I ever offer Z80 as an only option? I would kill for a multicore gigahertz class Coldfire dev board rated for server use
632611;1398067631;Diablo-D3;bounce: Im considering learning scala though
632612;1398067644;Diablo-D3;I dont hate the jvm. I dont even hate java all that much anymore.
632613;1398067652;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: I actually sold my TI-89 for money to buy weed
632614;1398067652;Diablo-D3;java 8 fixed a lot of the long standing issues java has
632615;1398067658;bounce;you were talking about z80, and I thought it was interesting enough to explore that a bit. still have a kaypro in an attic somewhere. should probably dust if off some time
632616;1398067661;Diablo-D3;BingoBoingo: I never use my ti-89
632617;1398067686;Diablo-D3;which is kind of sad
632618;1398067690;BingoBoingo;bounce: I like the Z80 as an example to suppose.
632619;1398067733;bounce;it's a good example since (I'm told, haven't investigated) various smart card type things have a z80-type core on board
632620;1398067755;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: My TI-89 met it's end in my usefulness when I realized the cheaper Mac Classic was basically the same thing.
632621;1398067756;Diablo-D3;yeah z80 is the best 8bit microcontroller cpu ever
632622;1398067779;Diablo-D3;BingoBoingo: I just needed a ti calc because it was mandatory for math classes in high school
632623;1398067789;Diablo-D3;best $150 I spent
632624;1398067800;BingoBoingo;I think asciilifeform is right about the Lisps being the future though
632625;1398067801;bounce;relevant for this channel is the gpg-card thingies. problem with those is that the source isn't available, though a spec is. an open source implementation would be nice, and perhaps cheaper than sourcing the closed-source thing.
632626;1398067801;Diablo-D3;loaded up video games on it
632627;1398067811;Diablo-D3;BingoBoingo: all languages are slowly becoming lisp, including lisp
632628;1398067837;Diablo-D3;lisp really is the best language ever created
632629;1398067837;BingoBoingo;Not really, clojure becomes less LISP every release
632630;1398067846;Diablo-D3;clojure never really was a lisp
632631;1398067853;bounce;so if you're looking for an embedded type project, that's as a good an angle as anything
632632;1398067878;fluffypony;Clojure thinks it's a lisp
632633;1398067885;fluffypony;so does Scheme
632634;1398067892;bounce;so which is more acceptably lisp-y, ruby or clojure? </troll>
632635;1398067895;BingoBoingo;Scheme is a LISP though
632636;1398067921;BingoBoingo;bounce: Python is probably more LISPy than Ruby or Clojure
632637;1398067930;fluffypony;python is definitely more lispy than both
632638;1398067934;bounce;how so?
632639;1398067956;BingoBoingo;bounce: The bedrock abstractions are more solid
632640;1398067962;Diablo-D3;the only lisps Im interested in is chicken and racket
632641;1398067980;Diablo-D3;bounce: ruby is just a mistake imo
632642;1398067983;Diablo-D3;like php is
632643;1398067991;fluffypony;ok breakfast time, bbl
632644;1398067997;Diablo-D3;it was written by people who clearly were not veteran programmers and understood no good patterns
632645;1398068051;BingoBoingo;Ruby is basically a python fork that broke the underlying interpreter
632646;1398068071;bounce;did they get around to plug the resource leaks in the reference interpreter?
632647;1398068079;BingoBoingo;PHP was a nobel but flawed attempt to make HTML a scriptable server language
632648;1398068121;bounce;lovely how it attracts nothing but n00bs and how even the core devs reflect that sad fact. a fractal of bad design, indeed.
632649;1398068132;Diablo-D3;BingoBoingo: I will agree ruby is very python inspired
632650;1398068135;BingoBoingo;In this way PHP was at least born with a purpose. Where as Ruby was born with "lol, suck cocks"
632651;1398068140;Diablo-D3;but all the bad parts
632652;1398068147;Diablo-D3;although Im not sure python has good parts
632653;1398068164;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: Python is great as a modern alternative to BASIC
632654;1398068175;Diablo-D3;I dont understand how people can handle a language that successfully resists static analysis
632655;1398068199;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: Well, they handle it because they don't have pubes yet.
632656;1398068205;BingoBoingo;It is a learnign language
632657;1398068219;Diablo-D3;thats a non-argument
632658;1398068222;Diablo-D3;I learned C when I was 14.
632659;1398068234;Diablo-D3;anything younger than 14 should be started on lisp.
632660;1398068304;BingoBoingo;That isn't how schools have been capable of thinking though. I learned turtle graphics at 11 on an Apple II with software written in 1995. Schools make the worst decisions.
632661;1398068318;Diablo-D3;yes, I could care less what schools do
632662;1398068331;Diablo-D3;you do not learn how to program at a school
632663;1398068335;Diablo-D3;programming is an art form
632664;1398068335;bounce;so you could care less. well, time to show some love and caring, eh.
632665;1398068335;BingoBoingo;!up sunshyne
632666;1398068335;assbot;Voicing sunshyne for 30 minutes.
632667;1398068344;Diablo-D3;you learn programming by programming
632668;1398068379;Diablo-D3;anyhow who says otherwise is confusing programming with computer science
632669;1398068398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00099948 = 17.5908 BTC [+] {2} 
632670;1398068419;Diablo-D3;nif you want computer science
632671;1398068424;Diablo-D3;just read through TAoCP
632672;1398068435;Diablo-D3;dont need a school for that
632673;1398068460;BingoBoingo;need can be a tricky work
632674;1398068465;BingoBoingo;!up Diablo-D3
632675;1398068465;assbot;Voicing Diablo-D3 for 30 minutes.
632676;1398068499;Diablo-D3;TAoCP is rather straight forward imo
632677;1398068517;Diablo-D3;and once you learn how to program, any language works really
632678;1398068531;Diablo-D3;programming is about learning patterns and when to use them
632679;1398068543;BingoBoingo;Someone can probably be a gentleman without reading Clausewitz much like someone can program without school.
632680;1398068548;Diablo-D3;its no different than learning how to play chess
632681;1398068571;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: Would you be up for a game of chess?
632682;1398068588;Diablo-D3;I havent played chess in long long time
632683;1398068601;Diablo-D3;and Im too distracted to enjoy it right now anyhow
632684;1398068630;BingoBoingo;Eh, I've imbibed quite a bit of ETOH since this conversation started
632685;1398068659;BingoBoingo;I'll even offer the four possible opening lines I'd play
632686;1398068663;bounce;I need a shower and to find me a board, but I could be up after.
632687;1398068714;BingoBoingo;As white I'd play the queen's gambit. As black responding to E4, the pirc, to d4 the slav, and to anything else a spanking.
632688;1398068859;BingoBoingo;This is pretty much the mode I've offered to any players approaching me in this channel
632689;1398068891;Diablo-D3;iirc there are no good online chess things anyhow
632690;1398068909;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: If you have algebraic notation IRC works fine
632691;1398068922;Diablo-D3;I hate doing that
632692;1398068947;BingoBoingo;Chess is a great game in that precise notation exists for every possible move
632693;1398069022;Diablo-D3;I dont think I even own a chess board anymore.
632694;1398069088;BingoBoingo;I no longer have nickel cadmium batteries
632695;1398069122;BingoBoingo;I'd like to no longer have LI-ION batteries
632696;1398069252;mircea_popescu;goood morning everyone!
632697;1398069264;BingoBoingo;;;later tell bitcoinpete When you asked about a line betting operation did the tweet I offered convey enough info?
632698;1398069264;gribble;The operation succeeded.
632699;1398069268;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Morning
632700;1398069309;BingoBoingo;How was the conference?
632701;1398069335;mircea_popescu;pretty great!
632702;1398069365;mircea_popescu;gonna put some pix up once i go through my mail and stuff
632703;1398069369;BingoBoingo;Nice.
632704;1398069372;mircea_popescu;how was the chan meanwhile ?
632705;1398069376;BingoBoingo;Slow
632706;1398069393;BingoBoingo;I ended up travelling just a little bit this weekend.
632707;1398069406;Diablo-D3;[04:31:43] <BingoBoingo> I no longer have nickel cadmium batteries
632708;1398069406;Diablo-D3;[04:32:16] <BingoBoingo> I'd like to no longer have LI-ION batteries
632709;1398069409;Diablo-D3;eventually we wont
632710;1398069414;Diablo-D3;graphene supercaps
632711;1398069414;mircea_popescu;o look who's here. didja find france alright davout ?
632712;1398069433;mircea_popescu;Diablo-D3 afaik graphene is still a ways off.
632713;1398069454;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: Actually I am hoping for a revival and enhancement of Silver-Zinc batteries
632714;1398069511;mircea_popescu;did that byrne kid ever manage to find his way here ?
632715;1398069528;BingoBoingo;?
632716;1398069563;BingoBoingo;The logs are sparse the past couple days, so I doubt many newcomers...
632717;1398069603;Diablo-D3;mircea_popescu: in the next five years, graphene supercaps will become a commercial reality
632718;1398069611;Diablo-D3;they already have semi-functioning prototypes
632719;1398069641;Diablo-D3;their big problem right now is that they're so energy dense, they're hard to handle
632720;1398069648;mircea_popescu;Diablo-D3 i bet you that i won't be able to buy a graphene supercap battery at a convenience store in 2019.
632721;1398069662;Diablo-D3;mircea_popescu: well, no, you wouldnt
632722;1398069667;Diablo-D3;that'd be nonsensical
632723;1398069670;mircea_popescu;...
632724;1398069671;BingoBoingo;If they were there I dunno that I would want to buy them
632725;1398069689;mircea_popescu;well whatever, radioshack
632726;1398069690;Diablo-D3;that'd be like buying a li-ion battery at a store
632727;1398069691;Diablo-D3;you dont
632728;1398069699;Diablo-D3;you need the safety mechanism so you dont kill yourself
632729;1398069700;mircea_popescu;some sort of consumer accessible outlet
632730;1398069712;Diablo-D3;Im surprised, btw, alkalines are even made anymore
632731;1398069717;Diablo-D3;they're old hat
632732;1398069724;BingoBoingo;... Usually I buy lithium batteries at the store, Li-ion, LI-polymer and otherwise
632733;1398069732;mircea_popescu;^
632734;1398069741;Diablo-D3;I put lithiums in anything that a regchargable is inappropriate for
632735;1398069753;Diablo-D3;like, devices that stay continuously powered more than 2 years, or go outside, or are clocks, etc
632736;1398069776;BingoBoingo;I have yet to see a Lithium 364 button cell
632737;1398069783;fluffypony;alkalines are still available here - just yesterday I had to buy some AAs and got to choose between alkalines, lithiums, and nimh rechargeables
632738;1398069799;Diablo-D3;I use lsd nimhs in all.... two devices that need batteries
632739;1398069807;Diablo-D3;well, that arent clocks or continuous long term shit
632740;1398069823;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform needed some batteries for his demo yest, i had the maitre d' scare up some batteries, he came back with two alkalines
632741;1398069842;Diablo-D3;my harmony remote, and my ti-89
632742;1398069845;Diablo-D3;thats _it_
632743;1398069850;Diablo-D3;I have nothing that uses batteries anymore
632744;1398069896;Diablo-D3;the two clocks and the temp sensors use lithiums for obvious reasons
632745;1398069931;BingoBoingo;I own more watches than other battery powered devices, but of the ones that don't operate on mechanical energy, solver oxide cells are the most prevalent.
632746;1398069948;bounce;what, no automatics?
632747;1398069968;Diablo-D3;bounce: nope
632748;1398069976;BingoBoingo;bounce: Automatics use mechanical energy
632749;1398069991;BingoBoingo;The rotor winds the spring
632750;1398070007;bounce;right. what was the electrical equivalent, 'kinetic' or something?
632751;1398070009;fluffypony;davout: bonjour
632752;1398070026;fluffypony;bounce: yeah, Seiko had "kinetic"
632753;1398070035;fluffypony;Citizen has solar
632754;1398070055;BingoBoingo;bounce: Kinetic is the seiko term, other manufacterers use different names because trademarks. That is for electrical charging by those means though.
632755;1398070120;BingoBoingo;Seiko still makes proper mechanical automatic movements though.
632756;1398070122;bounce;kid in school had a solar, very sparse design. just even matte background for the face, which also was the solar panel only you'd not notice.
632757;1398070174;fluffypony;bounce: I have 3 Citizen solars
632758;1398070176;fluffypony;lemme take photo
632759;1398070179;BingoBoingo;The sun's overrated. I'd kind of prefer an all tritium powered watch
632760;1398070216;bounce;used to have a... citizen? automatic. need fixing though, in the end it was off by half an hour a day. should've gotten it fixed while still in warranty. silly me.
632761;1398070240;BingoBoingo;Oh http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/21/that-didnt-take-long/
632762;1398070269;BingoBoingo;bounce: It really depends on the particular watch whether it is worth saving or not.
632763;1398070346;mircea_popescu;quartzes rarely are.
632764;1398070347;BingoBoingo;bounce: Even in the worst case you want to keep them stored well in case everyone else with them decides they aren't worth saving and you end up with something rate
632765;1398070383;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I have yet to actually see a quartz automatic outisde of a few questionable seiko examples
632766;1398070433;mircea_popescu;what do you mean ?
632767;1398070450;mircea_popescu;;;google quartz clock
632768;1398070451;gribble;Quartz clock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz_clock>; HowStuffWorks "How Quartz Watches Work": <http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/clocks-watches/quartz-watch.htm>; Quartz Time Only Clock Movements | Klockit: <http://www.klockit.com/depts/QuartzTimeOnlyClockMovements/dept-157.html>
632769;1398070452;mircea_popescu;that thing ?
632770;1398070472;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Seiko has a mechanical powered quartz regulated movement they call "Spring Drive"
632771;1398070499;BingoBoingo;Seiko also has a mechanically recharged all electric quarts they call kinetic
632772;1398070507;mircea_popescu;oh oh. yeah some swiss makers actually tried using quartz oscialltors as an error limiter at some point
632773;1398070584;BingoBoingo;The couple I've seen inherited the worst parts of quartz and mechanical movements.
632774;1398070594;fluffypony;bounce: http://i.imgur.com/ppkGOKj.jpg
632775;1398070608;fluffypony;you wouldn't be able to tell any of those are solar panels at a glance
632776;1398070609;mircea_popescu;exactly.
632777;1398070623;BingoBoingo;ANd the only I've known of were all made by Japs
632778;1398070636;mircea_popescu;perhaps resolvable, but i think people just gave up
632779;1398070662;BingoBoingo;Probably. It is hard to compete with a CR 2032 at anything.
632780;1398070703;BingoBoingo;I'd like to see more accutron like tuning fork movements though.
632781;1398070726;BingoBoingo;mechanicaly charged mass regulated would be nearly perfect.
632782;1398070762;mircea_popescu;judging by the excellent results electrostatic speakers show it's a wonder they've not tried that yet actually.
632783;1398070777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00099729 = 9.4743 BTC [-] {2} 
632784;1398070789;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It probably goes back to flawed fiat assumptions about costs.
632785;1398070829;BingoBoingo;I have yet to see anything as beautiful as the original accutron movements.
632786;1398070908;BingoBoingo;The few I've worked on take 357 batteries though, and that is a lot of silver for a year and a half of function.
632787;1398071032;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: http://www.watchalyzer.com/wp-content/gallery/bulova-accutron/bulova-accutron-214-movement.jpg
632788;1398071035;fluffypony;I love the exposed resistor
632789;1398071066;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: That is literally the most boring part of the thing.
632790;1398071068;bounce;wonder how they do white solar panels.
632791;1398071083;bounce;on IIRC my watch is a casio instead. hm. doesn't really matter.
632792;1398071109;fluffypony;bounce: no clue, it's quite impressive that they make it look like a regular watch face
632793;1398071188;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Those two sections wrapped in wire are a tuning fork.
632794;1398071204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00099253 = 15.3842 BTC [-] {3} 
632795;1398071217;BingoBoingo;The tuning fork both keeps time and moves the hands
632796;1398071231;fluffypony;nice
632797;1398071236;fluffypony;are the batteries hard to come by?
632798;1398071250;BingoBoingo;Quartz coming later keeps time better, but only keeps time.
632799;1398071267;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Here batteries are easy to find, standard 357s
632800;1398071288;BingoBoingo;Just, don't try the other kind of 357
632801;1398071455;fluffypony;they're not badly priced in decent condition
632802;1398071547;BingoBoingo;Well, decent doesn't say too much... How many people alive can make them sing (I actually, literally mean sing)
632803;1398071569;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: sing by striking the tuning fork?
632804;1398071618;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Not striking, resonating. That's what the coils of copper wire do. It's a fucking watch, not a rail gun.
632805;1398071647;fluffypony;although a pocket rail gun would be amazing
632806;1398071647;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
632807;1398071652;fluffypony;a:-P
632808;1398071727;BingoBoingo;A silver oxide cell would offer the worst possible discharge curve for that purpose though.
632809;1398071740;BingoBoingo;!up Diablo-D3
632810;1398071740;assbot;Voicing Diablo-D3 for 30 minutes.
632811;1398071746;Diablo-D3;thx
632812;1398071826;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: I know people rip on Wikipedia in this chan, but it wouldn't be the worst place to start in understanding how 1950's tech works
632813;1398071837;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: cool will give it a squizzle
632814;1398072045;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Did I ever mention how your presence makes me miss truffles?
632815;1398072052;fluffypony;hah hah
632816;1398072057;fluffypony;no you haven't
632817;1398072109;BingoBoingo;That wasn't an endorsement...
632818;1398072119;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00099848 = 2.8956 BTC [+]
632819;1398072203;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: this is interesting - http://www.ablogtowatch.com/top-ten-technically-important-watches-from-1950/
632820;1398072279;fluffypony;"The movement was, however, used in spacecraft instrument clocks and other time-keeping mechanisms, partly also because NASA was still unsure how gravity would affect mechanical movements."
632821;1398072355;BingoBoingo;It is amazing how personal timekeeping hasn't had any advancements since 1970, much like how you still seem fluffypony to be the sort that would borrow bitcoin for cheap polyester couches.
632822;1398072355;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
632823;1398072387;fluffypony;why on earth would I borrow money to buy a couch?
632824;1398072398;*;BingoBoingo drinks hatorade, goes to bed
632825;1398072457;Diablo-D3;lol
632826;1398072576;fluffypony;bounce: 1972, first solar watch - http://70swatchesgallery.wordpress.com/2011/03/19/synchronar/
632827;1398072591;fluffypony;actually looks kinda awesome
632828;1398072856;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras-tot-s-a-fumat-tot-s-a-baut-tot-cum-e-peste-tot-la-fel-ca-peste-tot/
632829;1398072857;ozbot;Ca tot… s-a tras tot s-a fumat tot s-a baut tot cum e peste tot ? La fel ca peste tot. pe Trilema
632830;1398072859;mircea_popescu;conference pix etc.
632831;1398073011;fluffypony;looks like fun - rumour has it next year will be in Argentina?
632832;1398073079;fluffypony;then South Africa 2016, we can have a Halvening Party and I'll arrange a safari
632833;1398073104;mircea_popescu;and we halven the lion population ?
632834;1398073157;fluffypony;that can be arranged, like all things, for a price :-P
632835;1398073766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00099862 = 11.7837 BTC [+] {2} 
632836;1398074451;mircea_popescu;Adam Penenberg is such an idiot. o herp, please help along with the grandiose effort of making usg snooping more user-acceptable.
632837;1398074552;mircea_popescu;turbo_ac100 why me ?!
632838;1398074623;mircea_popescu;bounce "the odd dos-only application that's critical to the business and irreplacable" << this should be ridiculous but isn't. most "tools" of today aren't actally as good as the tools of the 90s.
632839;1398074724;mircea_popescu;bounce:
632840;1398074724;mircea_popescu;on that note, often manufacturers explicitly forbid to install updates and servicepacks since it might well break the app. << since heartbleed i'm going to forbid any upgrades as part of the contract in all cases, always and forever.
632841;1398074744;mircea_popescu;from what i hear i'm by no means of a minority oppinion (even if i no longer to that sort of thing on any sort of scale)
632842;1398074785;mircea_popescu;;;later tell cgcardona lol is it the first best largest wot ?
632843;1398074786;gribble;The operation succeeded.
632844;1398074925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6549 @ 0.0009935 = 6.5064 BTC [-] {2} 
632845;1398074996;mircea_popescu;;;rate jurov 5 Years of promises kept.
632846;1398074997;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 4 to 5.
632847;1398075045;mircea_popescu;;;rate wao 1 Sold me a large bitcoin.
632848;1398075046;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wao has been recorded.
632849;1398075125;mircea_popescu;;;rate thickasthieves 3 Vegetarian.
632850;1398075126;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user thickasthieves has changed from 1 to 3.
632851;1398075416;mircea_popescu;http://www.fastcompany.com/3029119/most-innovative-companies/tencent-the-secretive-chinese-tech-giant-that-can-rival-facebook-a
632852;1398075417;ozbot;Tencent: The Secretive, Chinese Tech Giant That Can Rival Facebook and Amazon | Fast Company | Busin
632853;1398075419;mircea_popescu;le derp.
632854;1398075524;fluffypony;the CEO's name is Pony?
632855;1398075526;fluffypony;I like him already.
632856;1398075538;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: in which /r/Bitcoin can't decide whether to spend its ten cents on supersizing the coke or the fries. it's really unfair anyway because if they supersize one they should get the other for free. << FTFY
632857;1398075618;fluffypony;touché
632858;1398075664;mircea_popescu;lol coinet srsly ? ALL THESE THINGS nobody ever heard of being the biggest ever in their obscure corner onoes!
632859;1398075746;mircea_popescu;;;seen mike_c
632860;1398075747;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 6 hours, 35 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <mike_c> plus hard work is its own reward
632861;1398075796;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: that was a typo, was meant to be coinbet
632862;1398075810;mircea_popescu;i think i typoed it
632863;1398075822;mircea_popescu;anyway, was reading the article. pretty lulzy
632864;1398075824;fluffypony;I did too in the log
632865;1398075825;fluffypony;yeah
632866;1398075832;fluffypony;the scary thing is that they DID get a shitton of media coverage
632867;1398075897;fluffypony;and gamblers (of all people) trust some random site with no track record
632868;1398075926;fluffypony;domain registered in fucking December, we're now in April, they barely lasted 4 months of scamming
632869;1398076023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.0009913 = 3.9652 BTC [-]
632870;1398076024;mircea_popescu;the way this shit works is, fucktard of the ilk of that byrne fellow figures he knows shit, gets some investors together, anywhere between a few 10s of k's to maybe a million,
632871;1398076032;mircea_popescu;then blows the whole wad on advertising and freerolls.
632872;1398076052;mircea_popescu;then discovers his ROI is about 3 to 5%
632873;1398076072;mircea_popescu;then decides to scam the few legit customers he has to return a 1/5 to 1/3 equity to his invesotrs, and story ends there.
632874;1398076093;fluffypony;messed up
632875;1398076103;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/458187310480494593
632876;1398076104;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @ryancharleston Stop being ...
632877;1398076108;mircea_popescu;a fine example, that idiot.
632878;1398076141;fluffypony;hah hah
632879;1398076152;mircea_popescu;"You asked a serious article ? A real investigation ? Here I am here I am!"
632880;1398076190;mircea_popescu;"Their common ? They both worked at Orange / France Telecom , the first from 2007 to 2011, the second from 2005 to 2011 . They are logically met through this company that pushes people into suicide."
632881;1398076193;mircea_popescu;ole!
632882;1398076222;mircea_popescu;"Out of nowhere like a UFO website beegcoin edited by BEEG CORPORATION LIMITED, registered in London and created by young French to be, I think, a huge slap to the ego -centric bitcoin.
632883;1398076227;mircea_popescu;ok this shit's pretty good.
632884;1398076264;mircea_popescu;;;later tell thickasthieves http://gigaom.com/2014/01/19/on-free-speech-and-blogging-the-first-amendment-applies-to-everyone-not-just-journalists/
632885;1398076265;gribble;The operation succeeded.
632886;1398076297;mircea_popescu;fluffypony:
632887;1398076297;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_: just told that to my wife (she's vegetarian), now she's walking around doing her Plants vs. Zombies impersonation << this woman sounds like she needs a daily vlog.
632888;1398076312;fluffypony;hah hah
632889;1398076327;fluffypony;only if we can monetise it
632890;1398076377;mircea_popescu;what do you care, she's going around doing "grainzzzz" anyway.
632891;1398076396;mircea_popescu;do that for a year, audience builts, then she can prolly start her own eyeliner line
632892;1398076400;fluffypony;lol
632893;1398076409;fluffypony;I'll suggest it:)
632894;1398076413;mircea_popescu;or w/e, make every woman in south africa wear uncomfortable bras just fore the hell of it
632895;1398076564;bounce;"journalists not so speshul". funny how that needs a court to tell them journos.
632896;1398076578;mircea_popescu;indeed.
632897;1398076634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22086 @ 0.0009913 = 21.8939 BTC [-]
632898;1398076640;mircea_popescu;artifexd: Put that ink in your printer and make a super sekrit paper wallet. << plain white wallpaper with floral designs that morphs into japanese girls and octopuses once you shine a black light in the dark.
632899;1398076740;mircea_popescu;jurov: mircea will certainly come soon, maybe after a lil fuck << my fucks are not little.
632900;1398076747;mircea_popescu;experientia docet.
632901;1398076783;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: dammit. << that's right rainscamboy! and now it's fucking sunny, chicks be tanning nude in my yard.
632902;1398076821;mircea_popescu;jurov: Apocalyptic: imagine world directors talking about important topics whole days wrapped in clouds of smoke << this is shockingly true, i think we smoked a small dog's weight of tobacco
632903;1398076866;fluffypony;experientia docet? I thought we were against that? :-P
632904;1398076872;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: I love foosball << davout is fucking criminal at that thing. he beat everyone, single against teams, everything.
632905;1398076872;fluffypony;docendo discitur, on the other hand...
632906;1398076883;mircea_popescu;no, fucking is exempt
632907;1398076939;mircea_popescu;o which reminds me! if any of the esteemed VIPs can repeat either of my two little latin fables, there's a prize!
632908;1398077154;mircea_popescu;!up keonne
632909;1398077154;assbot;Voicing keonne for 30 minutes.
632910;1398077169;mircea_popescu;who was asking about china's political influence a few days ago ? here it is :
632911;1398077169;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Edourdoo/status/458160399964061696
632912;1398077170;ozbot;Twitter / Edourdoo: Obama unlikely to win over ...
632913;1398077182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.0009913 = 10.706 BTC [-]
632914;1398077243;bounce;one of things with investor/state extortion thingies in it, innit?
632915;1398077281;mircea_popescu;bounce hm ?
632916;1398077322;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2014#625895
632917;1398077325;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
632918;1398077327;mircea_popescu;thats the reference.
632919;1398077393;bounce;ayup, it does.
632920;1398077428;bounce;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investor-state_dispute_settlement
632921;1398077428;ozbot;Investor-state dispute settlement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
632922;1398077549;mircea_popescu;aha yea
632923;1398077836;mircea_popescu;Diablo-D3: the bot should just be set to autovoice me < nope.
632924;1398077865;mircea_popescu;you should have long by now learned that you're not really worth two shits as you are, and until and unless you change to be more useful.
632925;1398077914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0009913 = 9.2191 BTC [-]
632926;1398077989;mircea_popescu;whoa done with three days' logs! a hero is me.
632927;1398078004;mircea_popescu;ty dear ppls for not having made it TOO difficult >D
632928;1398078890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.0009916 = 2.4294 BTC [+]
632929;1398079351;thestringpuller;!t m s.mpoe
632930;1398079352;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00098037 / 0.0009918 / 0.00099972 (1033439 shares, 1,024.97 BTC), 7D: 0.00095214 / 0.00097861 / 0.00101 (3821859 shares, 3,740.13 BTC), 30D: 0.00092844 / 0.000959 / 0.00101 (20718626 shares, 19,869.30 BTC)
632931;1398079866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00099055 = 25.0609 BTC [-] {3} 
632932;1398080171;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 40 @ 0.00600538 = 0.2402 BTC [-] {3} 
632933;1398080232;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.0735 = 0.2205 BTC [+] {2} 
632934;1398080415;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00099192 = 18.2017 BTC [+] {2} 
632935;1398081940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03 = 0.18 BTC [-] {2} 
632936;1398083221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3546 @ 0.00098862 = 3.5056 BTC [-]
632937;1398083587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00099132 = 24.9813 BTC [+] {4} 
632938;1398083587;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04250066 = 0.1275 BTC [+] {2} 
632939;1398083648;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
632940;1398084441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16588 @ 0.00099614 = 16.524 BTC [+] {2} 
632941;1398085844;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
632942;1398086454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00099989 = 8.699 BTC [+] {2} 
632943;1398087918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15454 @ 0.00099653 = 15.4004 BTC [-] {2} 
632944;1398088223;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.0048201 = 0.3181 BTC [-] {3} 
632945;1398088345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00099604 = 5.777 BTC [-]
632946;1398089260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13108 @ 0.00099604 = 13.0561 BTC [-]
632947;1398090236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10008 @ 0.00100002 = 10.0082 BTC [+]
632948;1398090630;FabianB;Tencent's CEO: "In America, when you bring an idea to market you usually have several months before competition pops up, allowing you to capture significant market share. In China, you can have hundreds of competitors within the first hours of going live. Ideas are not important in China--execution is."
632949;1398090754;mircea_popescu;i heard that before
632950;1398090912;mircea_popescu;"Marketers have created a profile for young urban millennial males with money to burn, but it's hard to believe this creature exists"
632951;1398091029;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [-]
632952;1398091207;mircea_popescu;justusranvier can i pay you to get off that accursed blogspot thing ?
632953;1398091260;mircea_popescu;and also pankkake http://bitcoinism.blogspot.ro/2013/12/lex-cryptographia.html b-a material ?
632954;1398091456;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0425 = 0.34 BTC [-]
632955;1398091517;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5938 BTC [-]
632956;1398091518;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04201018 = 0.2521 BTC [-] {3} 
632957;1398091578;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]
632958;1398091639;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0416111 = 0.2497 BTC [-] {2} 
632959;1398091700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]
632960;1398091820;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlvuyjFIEAA6mBb.jpg:large
632961;1398091826;mircea_popescu;uk men be insecure
632962;1398091934;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: wrt making Sybil attacks harder, isn't there/couldn't there be a GPG-like system that uses a common private key for a single owner, but also hash some sort of easily identifiable GUID as part of the pubkey/signature to indicate which machine it is on? that way an attacker's work becomes slightly more complex, as they need to not only create profiles but have a fresh VM/install/whatever for them
632963;1398092001;mircea_popescu;how are fresh vms difficult ?
632964;1398092023;fluffypony;they're more difficult
632965;1398092054;mircea_popescu;they're more difficult for the wrong demographic.
632966;1398092066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04153174 = 0.2907 BTC [-] {2} 
632967;1398092067;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5196 BTC [-]
632968;1398092078;fluffypony;I suppose
632969;1398092087;fluffypony;have there been any identified Sybil attacks on the WoT?
632970;1398092118;mircea_popescu;all the time. i recall stomping one [\\\] spotted in like... 2012 ?
632971;1398092127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 500 @ 0.14 = 70 BTC
632972;1398092128;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04100001 = 0.123 BTC [-]
632973;1398092188;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
632974;1398092259;mircea_popescu;http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/report-ebola-suspected-in-europe-broken-through-all-containment-efforts_04202014
632975;1398092261;ozbot;Report: Ebola Suspected In Europe: "Broken Through All Containment Efforts"
632976;1398092310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 25 @ 0.0742218 = 1.8555 BTC [-]
632977;1398092395;fluffypony;http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/reop
632978;1398092396;ozbot;reop - reasonable expectation of privacy
632979;1398092561;mircea_popescu;"reop is clearly influenced by signify (What can I say? I like my own designs.), but it’s not a clone." done reading there.
632980;1398092583;fluffypony;skip down to the GPG complaints at the bottom
632981;1398092632;mircea_popescu;"Holy shit! What kind of toy random number generator is GPG using? Never mind that the message is printed twice. Never mind that both messages flick by before I have half a chance to read them, let alone do anything to entropize my system. “Wiggle the mouse for moar entropies.” I wouldn’t trust a program that prints messages like this to protect my middle school slambook."
632982;1398092635;mircea_popescu;so guy is an imbecile.
632983;1398092646;mircea_popescu;how's this different from the previous conclusion
632984;1398092693;fluffypony;yep
632985;1398092811;mircea_popescu;!up exchange01
632986;1398092811;assbot;Voicing exchange01 for 30 minutes.
632987;1398092825;fluffypony;"[00:20:08]  <~spacenerf> lot of people made PGP'alikes using this shniz, most of which are difficult to deal with/possibly broken on some platforms etc"
632988;1398092828;fluffypony;that's it in a nutshell
632989;1398092830;mircea_popescu;here's to hoping that this is the first, biggest and largest exchange
632990;1398092854;exchange01;can i speak to you in private i am not familar with irc
632991;1398092883;mircea_popescu;fluffypony the guy is derping about what "gpg does in 2014" forgetting to even mention what version he's using. because everything in his head was born this year, so obviously...
632992;1398092901;mircea_popescu;exchange01 you can just say here.
632993;1398092903;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: agreed
632994;1398093010;mircea_popescu;to not even get in the advanced topics of how 50%+1 of crypto-related specs are broken by design anyway. what sort of argument is this, that package x is bad because it allows user to do something some rfc says should not be done ? blergh.
632995;1398093059;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: but he likes it because it's "his design" and so therefore infallible
632996;1398093081;mircea_popescu;so who is this guy ? doing an ipo or anything ?
632997;1398093095;mircea_popescu;insufficiently beaten millenials.
632998;1398093103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.0010003 = 5.8518 BTC [+] {2} 
632999;1398093165;fluffypony;exchange01: crash course on IRC - you type the words, you press the enter, they come out on the screen
633000;1398093166;fluffypony;majik
633001;1398093194;exchange01;fluffypony thank you very much for this introduction, but i am wondering are you certified to say that ? :)
633002;1398093208;mircea_popescu;lol
633003;1398093263;exchange01;mircea_popescu are you receiving what im sending u using /msg ?
633004;1398093292;fluffypony;exchange01: I have a BIRC from the University of the Internet-pre-1995
633005;1398093294;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo why is this byrne kid so fixated on the entire personal attack angle ? he told thickashtieves the same thing, yet how the heck would his being clueless a personal attack on me. wtf, i'm not his mother.
633006;1398093325;mircea_popescu;exchange01 i don't hold private conversations with people i don't know. this is kinda the basis of private conversations : the parties must be acquainted.
633007;1398093333;mircea_popescu;speak your business publicly, what is it ?
633008;1398093339;exchange01;yes
633009;1398093364;exchange01;its a small exchanger, we are thinking about making an IPO on havelocks
633010;1398093385;exchange01;and being listed, but I am looking for other options and I've been told about Mpex
633011;1398093396;mircea_popescu;what's small exchanger mean ?
633012;1398093400;exchange01;low volume
633013;1398093416;mircea_popescu;this is still exceedingly vague.
633014;1398093468;exchange01;I know, well, i am wondering if you guys have any suggestions as you know finding financing for that kind of business is impossible
633015;1398093511;mircea_popescu;well i dunno man, so far there's not much here to go on. what suggestions are you looking for ?
633016;1398093539;exchange01;Well, is it possible to get listed on Mpex like dice ?
633017;1398093549;exchange01;what would be the requirements for that ?
633018;1398093603;mircea_popescu;it is possible, in principle.
633019;1398093608;mircea_popescu;;;google requirements to list on mpex
633020;1398093609;gribble;MPEx - Bitcoin: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx>; How does one list on MPEx ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/how-does-one-list-on-mpex>; MPEX Data Access: <http://data.eol.ucar.edu/master_list/?project=MPEX>
633021;1398093651;exchange01;i can send you our business plan mircea if you want
633022;1398093652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-]
633023;1398093653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03275 = 0.655 BTC [+] {4} 
633024;1398093657;exchange01;business model
633025;1398093704;fluffypony;;;ident exchange01
633026;1398093705;gribble;Nick 'exchange01', with hostmask 'exchange01!43cc18ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.204.24.174', is not identified.
633027;1398093713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03075 = 0.615 BTC [-] {4} 
633028;1398093721;fluffypony;"Credible WOT presence."
633029;1398093728;fluffypony;exchange01: you need that ^^
633030;1398093738;exchange01;i need to register ?
633031;1398093744;exchange01;on irc
633032;1398093770;fluffypony;exchange01: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide
633033;1398093771;fluffypony;start there
633034;1398093774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06500102 = 0.65 BTC [-] {2} 
633035;1398093775;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00481065 = 0.2405 BTC [-] {3} 
633036;1398093800;fluffypony;register with the WoT, and then build your WoT profile over time
633037;1398093806;exchange01;;;calc 1 + 1
633038;1398093806;gribble;2
633039;1398093817;mircea_popescu;.d
633040;1398093817;ozbot;6.979 billion | Next Diff in 1369 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.8229% in 8d 2h 11m 44s
633041;1398093856;mircea_popescu;"Likewise, today when a Westerner tells a Lebanese Shiite that he has a separate "ethnicity", he is baffled. Mazhab is not ethnicity, no more than being a democrat in the US would be a different race (although it should be)."
633042;1398093858;mircea_popescu;lmap
633043;1398093879;exchange01;ok i will start with that, thank you @mircea and @fluffy
633044;1398093884;fluffypony;any time :)
633045;1398094025;mircea_popescu;"Having spent more than two decades, as an option trader and book-runner (~ 650,000 trades), I have always been leery of inexperienced academics talking about "prediction markets" when we have organic, spontaneously formed markets, and have had them since civilization started --my reaction is that of an old plane engineer and pilot being lectured by a high school English student who never flew a plane. You can't tell t
633046;1398094025;mircea_popescu;hem what they don't know. "
633047;1398094044;mircea_popescu;ok, that's me reading all the derpage. ethereum, smart contracts, bla bla.
633048;1398094082;mircea_popescu;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2284964
633049;1398094082;ozbot;On the Difference between Binary Prediction and True Exposure with Implications for Forecasting Tour
633050;1398094227;fluffypony;hah hah - failed attempts at legitimacy 101: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Autonomous_Corporation
633051;1398094258;fluffypony;they can't even decide what the D stands for
633052;1398094267;fluffypony;there they say Digital, but in one of the references it says "Distributed Autonomous Corporations (DACs),  or Decentralized Autonomous Companies"
633053;1398094268;mircea_popescu;http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/notebook.htm
633054;1398094275;mircea_popescu;this bit (taleb) is actually pretty good.
633055;1398094302;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o check what has a wikipedia article!
633056;1398094315;mircea_popescu;some obscure shit that was never mentioned anywhere is notable! eleven
633057;1398094382;fluffypony;"This article includes a list of references, related reading or external links, but its sources remain unclear because it lacks inline citations."
633058;1398094384;fluffypony;heh heh
633059;1398094411;fluffypony;"Bitcoin itself can be viewed as an early form of DAC. We are generalizing the concept for use in the open source community, building on Bitcoin's proven technology. Bitcoin could be reimplemented as a full open standards-compliant DAC. Perhaps someday it will."
633060;1398094443;mircea_popescu;i'll borrow the expression from taleb, since i just read it : this shit's not even wrong.
633061;1398094477;benkay;generalizing concepts. sounds like someone heard about 'general solutions' from someone else with a lil bit o programmery experience and decided it was important to do for their ideas as well.
633062;1398094504;benkay;"it's not enough that this is specifically stupid, i'm going to generalize this idiocy to the general case."
633063;1398094547;mircea_popescu;benkay that's exactly what happens. someone who was taught in primary school to "guess what words meran in context" instead of being beaten every time he failed to look up new words in the dictionary
633064;1398094555;FabianB;hmm.. Google can't find Jerusalina
633065;1398094556;mircea_popescu;grew up into an adult that proceeds on the basis of word recognition
633066;1398094568;mircea_popescu;that shit makes for excellent consumers and appaling "thinkers"
633067;1398094577;mircea_popescu;FabianB gotta admit it has a ring to it neh ?
633068;1398094588;bounce;I think the "jews make up a race according to western languages" premise mostly means the writer is still stuck in wwII-era propaganda.
633069;1398094649;mircea_popescu;bounce the part where early judaism was not tribal, but more akin to today's jehova witnesses is accurate
633070;1398094656;mircea_popescu;the middle part... that becomes complex
633071;1398094729;FabianB;mircea_popescu: does it exist or will it be built by you?
633072;1398094749;bounce;isn't it their creation story that groups them in various tribes, about 12 or so? though to call that a "race" is maybe a bit overly ambitious.
633073;1398094751;fluffypony;well jews in ancient israel were bound by a common belief, but it was also by birth
633074;1398094766;mircea_popescu;FabianB it's a play on how would a feminine jerusalem sound like
633075;1398094766;fluffypony;if you decided to follow the belief but you weren't born of the 12 tribes you weren't a jew
633076;1398094791;mircea_popescu;bounce we're talking actual history rather than orginal mythology tho
633077;1398094803;mircea_popescu;otherwise everyone was spawned by the fucking sun god.
633078;1398094814;bounce;what, you're saying their holy book can possibly be wrong? what malarky is this? :-p
633079;1398094819;mircea_popescu;lol
633080;1398094842;FabianB;mircea_popescu: hahaha, was already looking in argentinas pampas for tiny villages :)
633081;1398094848;fluffypony;bounce is right, though - they self-identified based on the son they were descended from
633082;1398094854;mircea_popescu;let me put it this way : once judaism became large enough they +m'd the channel.
633083;1398094869;bounce;this is true. you can get in, but it's not easy.
633084;1398094875;mircea_popescu;FabianB you know the expression, "next year in jerusalem". i just.. well... sexchanged it.
633085;1398094897;FabianB;hehe
633086;1398094901;mircea_popescu;but before it was large enough, there was no tribalism. most being... self made jooz.
633087;1398094910;bounce;better than islam, where getting in is relatively easy (just learn a book by rote and loud repetition), getting out... carries the death penalty. (literally)
633088;1398094934;mircea_popescu;islamob.
633089;1398095001;benkay;;;later tell DiabloD3 lisp > scala.
633090;1398095001;gribble;The operation succeeded.
633091;1398095013;bounce;curious tidbit: there's a reason it's the mother, not the father, that conveys jewishness to the kid. figuring out why should be just a bit of thought.
633092;1398095024;mircea_popescu;isn't this obvious ?
633093;1398095043;mircea_popescu;redheaded chicks named khannah' being the world's premiere sluts and all ?
633094;1398095050;bounce;not everyone notices and puts the puzzle together
633095;1398095055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.065001 = 0.13 BTC [-]
633096;1398095069;mircea_popescu;he who does not puts ze puzzle together is known as... a putz.
633097;1398095078;fluffypony;oy vey
633098;1398095081;fluffypony;(sp?)
633099;1398095148;benkay;;;later tell BingoBoingo Where as Ruby was born with "lol, suck cocks" << it's more like "lol i suck cocks" but yeah right idea
633100;1398095148;gribble;The operation succeeded.
633101;1398095211;mircea_popescu;!up Anon29486307
633102;1398095211;assbot;Voicing Anon29486307 for 30 minutes.
633103;1398095482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00100055 = 2.5014 BTC [+]
633104;1398095482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.501 = 2.004 BTC [+]
633105;1398095665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23398 @ 0.00099772 = 23.3447 BTC [-] {6} 
633106;1398095787;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 550 @ 0.14 = 77 BTC
633107;1398096031;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.51669550 BTC to 6`985 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
633108;1398096153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00099964 = 12.1956 BTC [+]
633109;1398096214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00099964 = 4.5983 BTC [+]
633110;1398096396;mircea_popescu;!up Oleanie
633111;1398096396;assbot;Voicing Oleanie for 30 minutes.
633112;1398096537;Oleanie;hello
633113;1398096619;fluffypony;¡Ola!
633114;1398096835;benkay;good morning, Oleanie
633115;1398097294;thestringpuller;https://keybase.io/ - anyone know about this?
633116;1398097378;kakobrekla;;;google keybase.io site:http://log.bitcoin-assets.com
633117;1398097379;gribble;NEXT: 17-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014&bots=true>; PREV: 28-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014&bots=true>; NEXT: 01-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2014&bots=true>
633118;1398097419;cgcardona_;top of tha mornin
633119;1398097429;benkay;thestringpuller: they want your private key. what else do you need to know?
633120;1398097439;thestringpuller;Wow kakobrekla I just learned something new
633121;1398097442;thestringpuller;hahahahahahahahahaha
633122;1398097442;thestringpuller;wow
633123;1398097446;thestringpuller;i love this channel
633124;1398097536;cgcardona_;fwiw I asked Manu Sporny (lead of the W3C Payments Working Group) what he thinks of bitcoin. Q: https://twitter.com/cgcardona/status/457225541284687872 A1: https://twitter.com/manusporny/status/458264859055247360 A2: https://twitter.com/manusporny/status/458265043860455424
633125;1398097580;benkay;cgcardona_: repeat that line to anyone seeking to 'bring bitcoin to the masses'
633126;1398097585;benkay;shit's not even worth 500 per.
633127;1398097586;benkay;;;ticker
633128;1398097587;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 498.4, Best ask: 498.72, Bid-ask spread: 0.32000, Last trade: 498.25, 24 hour volume: 8609.15956762, 24 hour low: 490.0, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 501.43322806
633129;1398097592;benkay;see? market agrees.
633130;1398097697;jurov;'cept for vwap
633131;1398097744;fluffypony;cgcardona_: I'm reading his name as Manus Porny from now on
633132;1398097849;benkay;enjoy the con, jurov?
633133;1398097873;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
633134;1398097874;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 498.02, Best ask: 498.47, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 498.02, 24 hour volume: 8569.74616032, 24 hour low: 490.0, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 501.43322806
633135;1398097924;mircea_popescu;!up fordlincoln
633136;1398097924;assbot;Voicing fordlincoln for 30 minutes.
633137;1398097982;cgcardona_;fluffypony: i figured that we all were :)
633138;1398097999;cgcardona_;actually i thought it might be M. Anus Porny
633139;1398098022;cgcardona_;</making fun of someone's name>
633140;1398098110;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ well... gotta love people who say shit like "it's fundamentals"
633141;1398098197;cgcardona_;MP - yea I'm *never* surprised when the leader of a working group predicts something will 'take years'
633142;1398098349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 55 @ 0.00580682 = 0.3194 BTC [+] {6} 
633143;1398098364;jurov;..and sweat and bood and tears and bile and urine and...
633144;1398098371;jurov;*blood
633145;1398098382;cgcardona_;"There will be bood"
633146;1398098406;jurov;benkay yup... kinda "mini-con", though :D
633147;1398098410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17336 @ 0.0009929 = 17.2129 BTC [-] {2} 
633148;1398098424;cgcardona_;I still remember when Hixie was leader of the HTML5 working group and he said it was gonna take till 2019!
633149;1398098463;cgcardona_;actually he said 2022
633150;1398098593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.03038461 = 0.395 BTC [+] {3} 
633151;1398098595;cgcardona_;I think that (with regards to the W3C) bitcoin's biggest lacking fundimental is that it's not a W3C tech.
633152;1398098643;benkay;best clubs are small clubs, jurov. i wonder what attendance will be like next year.
633153;1398098776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.00599999 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2} 
633154;1398098822;cgcardona_;;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Regular in (creator of?) #btc-assets
633155;1398098824;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
633156;1398098845;fluffypony;cgcardona_: kakobrekla is the channel owner
633157;1398098849;fluffypony;founder
633158;1398098850;bounce;http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0749597814000223
633159;1398098854;cgcardona_;ah ok - I'll uddate
633160;1398098871;mircea_popescu;yeah i'm just squatting here.
633161;1398098880;cgcardona_;;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Regular in #btc-assets and bitlord
633162;1398098881;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 1.
633163;1398098914;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla just so you know, bitlord is better than world's #1 dad.
633164;1398099020;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06458 = 0.3229 BTC [-] {5} 
633165;1398099021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6743 @ 0.00099584 = 6.7149 BTC [+]
633166;1398099046;cgcardona_;who is Anduck ? they gave me a -10 on the wot. wot a dick
633167;1398099057;cgcardona_;that gives me a -6 total. that sucks
633168;1398099145;mircea_popescu;;;seen Anduck
633169;1398099145;gribble;Anduck was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 19 hours, 51 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <Anduck> :)
633170;1398099164;cgcardona_;;;gettrust Anduck
633171;1398099164;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user Anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=Anduck | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Anduck | Rated since: Tue May  8 11:28:43 2012
633172;1398099182;bounce;why don't you ask him? op on -otc. could be someone nicksquatted you and he was a little too enthousiastic
633173;1398099191;cgcardona_;ok
633174;1398099207;cgcardona_;don't see how someone nicksquatted me - i have it registered w/ nickserv
633175;1398099248;bounce;you don't have it set to enforce it, too
633176;1398099268;bounce;why didn't you get the nick without _ released and use that? you can still do that, by the by.
633177;1398099322;cgcardona_;you mean that I don't have nickserv set to enforce my nick registration?
633178;1398099328;fluffypony;nope
633179;1398099335;fluffypony;you need to /nickserv set enforce on
633180;1398099347;fluffypony;although WHY that isn't the default on Freenode is beyond me
633181;1398099356;cgcardona_;so someone has potentially be impersonating me on here?
633182;1398099356;cgcardona_;that's no good.
633183;1398099358;cgcardona_;i should check the logs.
633184;1398099359;bounce;because we're not all -otc lurkers, you know
633185;1398099410;fluffypony;http://otcdb.us.to/otc/?cgcardona_&&&&&
633186;1398099413;ozbot;OTC cgcardona_
633187;1398099440;cgcardona_;holy shit you're right
633188;1398099458;cgcardona_;someone joining btc-otc as me on 2014-04-20 07:34:38 CDT and 2014-04-20 07:34:24 CDT
633189;1398099466;fluffypony;adsl-74-177-71-233.gsp.bellsouth.net
633190;1398099467;cgcardona_;geez that's unbelievable
633191;1398099469;fluffypony;from there
633192;1398099470;fluffypony;yeah
633193;1398099479;cgcardona_;holy shit. fucking people.
633194;1398099500;fluffypony;looks like they scammed someone too
633195;1398099514;cgcardona_;so now that I have it set to enforce it will make someone enter my nickserv each time and if not kick them off of my nick?
633196;1398099543;*;bounce views nickserv as rather fascist already, nevermind nick enforcing. it's the thing to do on here, but, you know. can also argue that with only gribble it'd give more incentive to check with gribble first and foremost, and to accept no substitutes.
633197;1398099547;fluffypony;yes
633198;1398099555;fluffypony;well not kick them off, I think it forces a nick change to GuestXXXXX
633199;1398099564;cgcardona_;fluffypony: thanks for the help. that totally blows.
633200;1398099570;cgcardona_;but i guess its good that I found out now
633201;1398099583;fluffypony;yeah, Anduck will remove the negrating once you get hold of him
633202;1398099583;cgcardona_;hopefully i can work something out w/ Anduck to find out what happened.
633203;1398099602;kanzure;you can ghost kill someone squatting on your nick
633204;1398099620;fluffypony;kanzure: yes, but not if you're not online
633205;1398099620;bounce;not if you're not on, silly kanzure
633206;1398099638;fluffypony;heh
633207;1398099640;kanzure;does this mean i'm dreaming
633208;1398099665;fluffypony;kanzure: try ghosting yourself as a test :-P
633209;1398099747;cgcardona_;damn that totally sucks. sheesh
633210;1398099762;cgcardona_;gotta find the logs for btc-otc and see what the hell happened on those days.
633211;1398099814;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5098 BTC [+]
633212;1398099867;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/an-hero-is-he/
633213;1398099868;ozbot;An hero is he… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
633214;1398099874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00013188 = 0.6594 BTC [-] {4} 
633215;1398100034;mircea_popescu;meh it's not done.
633216;1398100035;mircea_popescu;redoing.
633217;1398100118;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.067127 = 0.2014 BTC [+] {2} 
633218;1398100240;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.50085714 = 3.506 BTC [-] {2} 
633219;1398100362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1122 @ 0.00016989 = 0.1906 BTC [+] {6} 
633220;1398100649;jurov;!up daybyter
633221;1398100649;assbot;Voicing daybyter for 30 minutes.
633222;1398100666;daybyter;Hi!
633223;1398100675;jurov;hello
633224;1398100728;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.00018578 = 0.1115 BTC [+] {4} 
633225;1398100850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 531 @ 0.0001938 = 0.1029 BTC [+] {5} 
633226;1398100911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2248 @ 0.00025253 = 0.5677 BTC [+] {5} 
633227;1398100988;mircea_popescu;hey
633228;1398101093;mircea_popescu;!up turbo_ac1001
633229;1398101093;assbot;Voicing turbo_ac1001 for 30 minutes.
633230;1398101099;mircea_popescu;turbo_ac1001 you just commented on trilema ?
633231;1398101205;fluffypony;well now he's distracted reading Persion Folklore
633232;1398101356;mircea_popescu;lol
633233;1398101399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0075 = 0.3375 BTC [+]
633234;1398101479;turbo_ac1001;I did
633235;1398101498;fluffypony;lol
633236;1398101521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00099566 = 40.7225 BTC [-] {2} 
633237;1398101588;mircea_popescu;MTGOX recovery imminent!
633238;1398101593;mircea_popescu;da fuck
633239;1398101599;mircea_popescu;!up turbo_ac100
633240;1398101599;assbot;Voicing turbo_ac100 for 30 minutes.
633241;1398101602;turbo_ac100;thanks
633242;1398101605;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: where'd ya see that?
633243;1398101605;thestringpuller;ah mircea_popescu returns
633244;1398101612;thestringpuller;rested i see from the exciting conference
633245;1398101612;mircea_popescu;you may be having a client issue because you got kicked by chanserv.
633246;1398101622;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller was great.
633247;1398101630;turbo_ac100;authed with gribble but assbot doesn't let me !up
633248;1398101636;mircea_popescu;fluffypony google drug it up, https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCQQFjAAOAo&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbitcointa.lk%2Fthreads%2Fmtgox-recovery-imminent.262429%2Fpage-2&ei=lUNVU87oN8_y7AbTwIH4Ag&usg=AFQjCNGHHKEJtFolkPKq5bnZP0kHSJ_rRA&bvm=bv.65058239,d.ZGU
633249;1398101652;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot turbo_ac100
633250;1398101652;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user turbo_ac100: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=turbo_ac100 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=turbo_ac100 | Rated since: Thu Apr  3 11:09:50 2014
633251;1398101661;mircea_popescu;turbo_ac100 it should. pm it !up
633252;1398101663;turbo_ac100;trying again (i know right now I'm not authed). There is a flood message I'm gonna reproduce now
633253;1398101672;fluffypony;"Sure, but a new CEO would suffice to reestablish trust."
633254;1398101676;fluffypony;l.o.l.
633255;1398101683;mircea_popescu;i vote for danny.
633256;1398101727;fluffypony;underwritten by Ken Slaughter?
633257;1398101735;mircea_popescu;or shakaru
633258;1398101763;turbo_ac100;OF COURSE it works without the flood issues... *sigh*
633259;1398101770;mircea_popescu;herp
633260;1398101792;thestringpuller;;;ident
633261;1398101793;gribble;Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
633262;1398101802;thestringpuller;man gribble hasn't gotten knocked for several days
633263;1398101809;turbo_ac100;The manticore still is a lion though.
633264;1398101841;mircea_popescu;;;google "with a vicious streak a mile wide"
633265;1398101841;gribble;Rabbit of Caerbannog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_of_Caerbannog>; Tim the Enchanter (Character) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0032565/quotes>; Faced With a Killer Rabbit - Monty Python Page: <http://montypython.50webs.com/scripts/Holy_Grail/Scene20.htm>
633266;1398101853;mircea_popescu;ye noob of little memeledge.
633267;1398101872;turbo_ac100;ooooh
633268;1398101914;mircea_popescu;"when mp is wrong, you've probably misunderstood or neglected something"
633269;1398102080;thestringpuller;when mp is wrong it's usually on something that doesn't matter
633270;1398102122;thestringpuller;or he knows when he's wrong and doesn't perpetuate it like da scammaz
633271;1398102131;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.49078984 = 4.4171 BTC [-] {7} 
633272;1398102141;mircea_popescu;or he's just plain old wrong
633273;1398102149;thestringpuller;lolol
633274;1398102192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00481 = 0.1828 BTC [-]
633275;1398102193;turbo_ac100;So why not the manticore then? #justargumentumecontrariothings
633276;1398102232;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood, she was wearing a corset so it kinda looked to me like a playboy bunny of yore
633277;1398102237;mircea_popescu;it's supposed to be a soft joke
633278;1398102308;thestringpuller;corsets are fancy tho
633279;1398102309;turbo_ac100;Romanian soft?
633280;1398102312;thestringpuller;lol
633281;1398102328;mircea_popescu;howssat ?
633282;1398102329;thestringpuller;mp doesn't go to many nerd conventions where the girls cosplay in steampunk with corsets galore
633283;1398102344;mircea_popescu;btw, i kinda have a bet with mpoe-pr as to who shows up here first, asciilifeform or thickasthieves.
633284;1398102349;mircea_popescu;anyone wanna take sides ?
633285;1398102353;thestringpuller;i dunno corsets are expensive, classy and sexy all at the sametime
633286;1398102363;thestringpuller;asciilifeform will be first
633287;1398102371;mircea_popescu;i think so too.
633288;1398102396;thestringpuller;did TaT go to MP-Con '14 ?
633289;1398102423;mircea_popescu;ya
633290;1398102436;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13811 @ 0.00099298 = 13.714 BTC [-] {2} 
633291;1398102441;mircea_popescu;lol i wonder if there exists a secret underground ScamCon
633292;1398102453;bounce;yes?
633293;1398102497;mircea_popescu;where do they hold it ? little italy ? nigeria ?
633294;1398102499;bounce;well, not so secret. was another "discovery" from some security blogging company or other; buncha roossians had started their own coin
633295;1398102522;thestringpuller;LOL in nigeria...
633296;1398102633;fluffypony;turbo_ac100: maybe we can get #justmanticorethings trending?
633297;1398102645;bounce;what was that picture again, of some narco guy's mansion with on the order of 18bn in usd and assorted further currencies in various places, down to simply stacked in a room. one'd think that's enough to buy an underground bunker to store the stuff.
633298;1398102738;bounce;oh, apparently misremembered, only 207mn usd. still, what's an underground bunker or two cost these days?
633299;1398102754;*;bounce wonders where the 18bn figure came from.
633300;1398102766;mircea_popescu;bounce 18bn in usd is something like
633301;1398102776;mircea_popescu;;;calc 22 * 18000
633302;1398102776;gribble;396000
633303;1398102782;mircea_popescu;4mn lbs.
633304;1398102806;bounce;lbs? what are you, a merkin?
633305;1398102827;mircea_popescu;fine, 2k tons
633306;1398102842;turbo_ac100;fluffypony: will try :)
633307;1398102854;bounce;or about 2 gigagram. give or take.
633308;1398102924;bounce;https://imgur.com/a/DYU2e says it's 22bn
633309;1398102924;ozbot;Mexican Drug Lord home after being raided - Imgur
633310;1398103049;mircea_popescu;bs
633311;1398103054;mircea_popescu;that's not "billionz"
633312;1398103069;fluffypony;there's no way
633313;1398103073;fluffypony;that is 22bn
633314;1398103090;mircea_popescu;10 x 34 on the surface, like 60 or so deep
633315;1398103098;mircea_popescu;;;calc 10 * 34 * 60000
633316;1398103098;gribble;20400000
633317;1398103115;mircea_popescu;like 200ish mn there.
633318;1398103154;fluffypony;207 mil to be exact
633319;1398103157;fluffypony;nicely calculated
633320;1398103164;fluffypony;http://www.businessinsider.com/zhenli-ye-gon-causes-trouble-for-las-vegas-sands-2012-8
633321;1398103165;ozbot;Zhenli Ye Gon Causes Trouble For Las Vegas Sands - Business Insider
633322;1398103186;fluffypony;"A raid of his home in the wealthy neighborhood of Mexico City produced what police described as "the largest single drug cash seizure the world has ever seen." Almost $207 million sat in the house in cash. Seven high-powered firearms were also in the house, the New York Times reported."
633323;1398103212;bounce;apt, though. consider what happens to reported prices, the so called "street value"
633324;1398103220;fluffypony;also the third picture is an actual museum
633325;1398103221;fluffypony;http://internacional.elpais.com/internacional/2013/06/18/album/1371516659_231755.html#1371516659_231755_1371517565
633326;1398103234;fluffypony;so that's just embellishment
633327;1398103335;fluffypony;also that bit at the end is way wrong
633328;1398103338;bounce;curiously, a load of stolen garlic got recovered (border agents smelled something), and the value reported sounded like they used wholesale prices, not "supermarket prices".
633329;1398103342;fluffypony;"$22 billion/[(310 million people)(12 years)(~$5,000/person/year)]=0.0012. $22 billion would meet about 0.12% of the health insurance costs for 12 years. Actual cost would be $18.6 trillion. Health insurance would have to cost $5.91 per person per year for $22 billion to cover everyone for 12 years."
633330;1398103351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4132 @ 0.00099584 = 4.1148 BTC [+]
633331;1398103382;mircea_popescu;shit mpoe-pr wins
633332;1398103386;mircea_popescu;!up Shakespeare
633333;1398103386;assbot;Voicing Shakespeare for 30 minutes.
633334;1398103401;Shakespeare;I signed on just to beat stan
633335;1398103405;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
633336;1398103410;Shakespeare;I'm in NJ airport :)
633337;1398103415;mircea_popescu;lmao
633338;1398103420;mircea_popescu;nj has an airport ?!
633339;1398103431;Shakespeare;surprised me too
633340;1398103442;Shakespeare;it has a retarded ticker too
633341;1398103445;Shakespeare;ear
633342;1398103450;Shakespeare;ewr
633343;1398103459;Shakespeare;for Newark
633344;1398103459;mircea_popescu;hello sir, here are your ear-wax tickets
633345;1398103485;Shakespeare;ewr not ear though
633346;1398103500;Shakespeare;just my tablet autocorrect...
633347;1398103543;mircea_popescu;!up _aeon
633348;1398103543;assbot;Voicing _aeon for 30 minutes.
633349;1398103545;Shakespeare;so for 9 hours over the ocean guess who I get seated with
633350;1398103555;mircea_popescu;this bombshell redhead
633351;1398103569;Shakespeare;poor young tourettes girl
633352;1398103575;mircea_popescu;no fucking way ?!
633353;1398103576;Shakespeare;barking and such
633354;1398103586;Shakespeare;yeah
633355;1398103604;mircea_popescu;i never met anyone with actual tourettes.
633356;1398103617;Shakespeare;it didn't bother me other than sadden me
633357;1398103639;Shakespeare;she was embarrassed when it got bad, putting blanket over her face
633358;1398103704;Duffer1;poor kid
633359;1398103705;fluffypony;shame man
633360;1398103826;mircea_popescu;o look who's here. quick someone call teh bitcoin police
633361;1398103840;davout;:D
633362;1398103851;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare i still have trouble wrapping my head around the notion.
633363;1398103876;mircea_popescu;i mean, i don't actually think that w/e, they're faking it. but it just fails to compute on the intuitive level.
633364;1398103878;davout;i found france
633365;1398103878;Shakespeare;for the record, davout lost at least 1.5 games
633366;1398103902;davout;Shakespeare: i beg your pardon
633367;1398103915;Shakespeare;its true!
633368;1398103929;Shakespeare;remember the rules argument?
633369;1398103931;mircea_popescu;what sort of scam french invincibility is this
633370;1398103951;Shakespeare;and then later me and someone else won for deals
633371;1398103958;Shakespeare;realz
633372;1398103966;davout;Shakespeare: i'm not sure i follow
633373;1398103976;Shakespeare;that's OK
633374;1398103984;Shakespeare;this is tat btw
633375;1398104035;davout;mircea_popescu: i wish to apologize for my rudeness in marking my territory in timisoara repeatedly
633376;1398104048;mircea_popescu;lol
633377;1398104051;davout;Shakespeare: was your trip back ok ?
633378;1398104073;Shakespeare;meh
633379;1398104080;Shakespeare;see logs
633380;1398104083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00461215 = 0.6918 BTC [-] {10} 
633381;1398104089;Shakespeare;I still in NJ too
633382;1398104134;Shakespeare;I had to go thru security 3 times once I got to US
633383;1398104144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00099058 = 13.3728 BTC [-] {3} 
633384;1398104158;Shakespeare;and check my bags all over again
633385;1398104163;Shakespeare;good times
633386;1398104194;Shakespeare;I did get to hang with ASCII at two airports though
633387;1398104205;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 58 @ 0.00220865 = 0.1281 BTC [-] {9} 
633388;1398104217;davout;!up Oleanie
633389;1398104217;assbot;Voicing Oleanie for 30 minutes.
633390;1398104254;davout;Shakespeare: gotta love the cavity searches
633391;1398104262;davout;ftr Oleanie == Fanny
633392;1398104319;Shakespeare;ah cool
633393;1398104328;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 28 @ 0.04488566 = 1.2568 BTC [+] {4} 
633394;1398104342;davout;mircea_popescu: the rosé is very nice
633395;1398104362;Shakespeare;customs let me keep my champagne btw
633396;1398104376;mircea_popescu;;;rate Oleanie 1 She rides.
633397;1398104377;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
633398;1398104379;davout;Shakespeare: cabin luggage ?
633399;1398104387;mircea_popescu;davout nao you tell her how to gpg yes ?
633400;1398104395;davout;mircea_popescu: imma explain it all to her a bit later
633401;1398104405;Shakespeare;I wrapped it in my clothesline my checked baggage
633402;1398104413;Oleanie;we are drinking ours
633403;1398104415;mircea_popescu;!b 2
633404;1398104416;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1789955/plain/)
633405;1398104420;Shakespeare;lol not clothesline
633406;1398104422;mircea_popescu;clothesline srsly ?
633407;1398104431;Shakespeare;autocorrect...
633408;1398104434;davout;Shakespeare: that's the only way you can get it through
633409;1398104450;mircea_popescu;davout after you drink it i'll tell you what it cost.
633410;1398104499;davout;mircea_popescu: it has been drinked
633411;1398104514;davout;drank/drunk, what is the correct one ?
633412;1398104519;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare it's hysterical because well... wine fermented in the bottle can well explode.
633413;1398104527;davout;mircea_popescu: Oleanie still has some in her glass
633414;1398104530;mircea_popescu;but they won't let you take i dunno, lotion. i nevere heard of lotion exploding
633415;1398104535;Shakespeare;ASCII gave your cabbie a bunch $20 bills this morning. I couldn't tell which of them enjoyed it more
633416;1398104536;mircea_popescu;davout drunk
633417;1398104547;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare haha
633418;1398104565;mircea_popescu;guy definitely enjoys a lot of stuff huh.
633419;1398104582;davout;Shakespeare mircea_popescu our cab driver started the ride by yelling "Shumacher shumacher!"
633420;1398104589;mircea_popescu;lmao
633421;1398104613;mircea_popescu;davout was like... hey, i know you set it up for us to be there in time, but could you cancel it so we go on foot 7 1/2 hours later ?
633422;1398104623;mircea_popescu;we're from france and so we like to wait uncomfortably in airports
633423;1398104635;mircea_popescu;it's like... when you come out from under sea, you gotta re-aclimatize to the suck.
633424;1398104652;mircea_popescu;7 1/2 hours earlier i mean.
633425;1398104668;jurov;lmao my cabbie (when i got lost a bit on arrival) refused to accept 10 euro bill
633426;1398104679;jurov;eventually he gave me change in lei
633427;1398104687;davout;mircea_popescu: naaah, we met mike_c there
633428;1398104705;mircea_popescu;o dude.
633429;1398104722;davout;we were just 30 min early
633430;1398104729;davout;i really hate being in a rush
633431;1398104734;mircea_popescu;mike_c threw me for a fucking loop. cause afaik he was leaving tomorrow, right ? so i had secretary call hotel front desk to sert up lunch, cause i figured... we can do lunch
633432;1398104749;mircea_popescu;she calls me in a total panic, cause well... he's gone ?! and she suspects the idiot receptionist kicked him out maybne ?
633433;1398104755;davout;LOL
633434;1398104758;Shakespeare;lol
633435;1398104773;mircea_popescu;so you know, i go there like a fucking ride of valkiries screaming all the way from like outside, WHO DUN IT!
633436;1398104776;Shakespeare;he had some trouble with the time zones :)
633437;1398104777;mircea_popescu;the girl, bring me the girl
633438;1398104798;mircea_popescu;so they fetch her and she's completely dumbfounded... guy came, witgh his bags, checked out and left. how is she to know he's not to be allowed to leave ?!
633439;1398104847;mircea_popescu;but eventually they checked the airline and he was there so. disaster averte
633440;1398104848;mircea_popescu;d
633441;1398104853;Shakespeare;dude a pigeon just flew by me
633442;1398104857;Shakespeare;in the airport
633443;1398104860;mircea_popescu;did it whistle correctly ?
633444;1398104867;Shakespeare;fucking NJ
633445;1398104873;Shakespeare;it was silent
633446;1398104880;fluffypony;like a bat?
633447;1398104889;mircea_popescu;bats aren't silent
633448;1398104894;mircea_popescu;i can fucking hear them.
633449;1398104895;fluffypony;thatsthejoke.gif
633450;1398104900;Shakespeare;like a silent dove but not
633451;1398104916;mircea_popescu;nojokesallowed.pdf
633452;1398104927;fluffypony;didyougpgencryptthat.questionmark
633453;1398104943;mircea_popescu;yes, which is why its spelled questionlark
633454;1398104946;Shakespeare;karpelesceosuite.exe
633455;1398104968;fluffypony;Shakespeare: wouldn't it be .php3 ?
633456;1398104980;mircea_popescu;it would be ===php4
633457;1398104988;Shakespeare;no cuz its a scam
633458;1398104997;davout;fluffypony: you'd click it in doubt, and that's the whole point :-)
633459;1398105010;Shakespeare;csstml 5
633460;1398105010;fluffypony;lawl
633461;1398105016;fluffypony;node.js!
633462;1398105052;mircea_popescu;i gotta get taleb to write about bitcoin.
633463;1398105059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00013091 = 0.2618 BTC [-]
633464;1398105060;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.02951683 = 0.7379 BTC [-] {8} 
633465;1398105078;mircea_popescu;quoting for stan's own pleasure :
633466;1398105079;mircea_popescu;I would like to record here (so people get off my back) that I do not belong to the so-called "Austrian School" of economics, in spite of a few similar positions on bailouts and bottom-up systems. I believe in mathematical statements. But if I were to belong to a school of thought designated by a nationality, the {NATIONALITY} SCHOOL of {DISCIPLINE} it would be the Russian school of probability.
633467;1398105079;mircea_popescu;Members across three generations: P.L. Chebyshev, A.A. Markov, A.M. Lyapunov, S.N. Bernshtein (ie. Bernstein), E.E. Slutskii, N.V. Smirnov, L.N. Bol'shev, V.I. Romanovskii, A.N. Kolmogorov,Yu.V. Linnik, and the new generation: V Petrov, S.V. Nagaev, A.V. Nagaev, A. Shyrayev, etc.
633468;1398105087;davout;mircea_popescu: he's already tweeted stuff iirc
633469;1398105105;mircea_popescu;davout i mean specifically. or to quote again,
633470;1398105133;mircea_popescu;"Margo I have lived in the theatre as a Trappist monk lives in his faith"
633471;1398105152;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23l56v/qr_codes_are_dead/
633472;1398105156;ozbot;QR codes are dead : Bitcoin
633473;1398105156;mircea_popescu;"I have no other world, no other life."
633474;1398105164;fluffypony;so apparently the way we *should* be using Bitcoin
633475;1398105169;fluffypony;is through Bluetooth LE
633476;1398105175;fluffypony;and we'll just keep our phones in our pocket
633477;1398105179;fluffypony;and walk up to the counter
633478;1398105181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.02913635 = 0.3205 BTC [-] {5} 
633479;1398105186;mircea_popescu;" QR codes have been around and hyped for years, but they were never used as much as developers and marketing people hoped." << truth.
633480;1398105186;fluffypony;and the cashier will say "PayPal or Bitcoin, sir?"
633481;1398105191;fluffypony;and we'll say "Bitcoin"
633482;1398105201;fluffypony;and the money will just magically come off without us needing to authorise it
633483;1398105209;mircea_popescu;here's a funny story : bar where we watered saturday night, had an advertising above the urinal. on that advertising, aqr code.
633484;1398105220;mircea_popescu;it was unreadable, because the frame covered it.
633485;1398105221;fluffypony;"No ugly smartphone unlocking, app starting, camera pointing at a fancy QR code. No, all handsfree, how it needs to work."
633486;1398105246;cgcardona_;i actually think bitcoin is QR code's killer app
633487;1398105248;mircea_popescu;!up Shakespeare
633488;1398105248;assbot;Voicing Shakespeare for 30 minutes.
633489;1398105249;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: besides, who's sober enough to scan a QR code?
633490;1398105255;mircea_popescu;fluffypony ikr ?
633491;1398105259;davout;mircea_popescu: right hand is for the dick, left for the smartphone
633492;1398105263;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ could be, but somehow i doubt it.
633493;1398105267;mircea_popescu;!up JoshG
633494;1398105267;assbot;Voicing JoshG for 30 minutes.
633495;1398105276;mircea_popescu;davout and the balls ?!
633496;1398105285;davout;mircea_popescu: teh girl
633497;1398105311;cgcardona_;also, my 5 year old son is obsessed w/ qr codes. He askes me to scan everyone that we see (yes this could backfire one day). I think people of his generation will find QR codes quite intuitive
633498;1398105312;mircea_popescu;"my prediction is". da fguck is this shit, "cluster4" is now making "my prediction" ?
633499;1398105314;davout;nah, in all seriousness, i don't know about you, but i don't piss with my balls
633500;1398105325;mircea_popescu;people have a lot of difficulty groking that if you're anonymous... there is no property.
633501;1398105330;mircea_popescu;there's no "my" in anonimity.
633502;1398105352;mircea_popescu;davout no idea how you can piss with teh girl handling your balls.
633503;1398105354;davout;mircea_popescu: being anonymous doesn't mean there is no idnentity
633504;1398105362;davout;mircea_popescu: years of training
633505;1398105364;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 25 @ 0.00600001 = 0.15 BTC [+]
633506;1398105371;mircea_popescu;davout ne confondre pas anonimite e pseudonimite, i say!
633507;1398105387;davout;anonymous, absence of name, not of identity
633508;1398105395;mircea_popescu;anonymous is absence of identity.
633509;1398105402;mircea_popescu;like, joe schmuck on reddit. is not a person.
633510;1398105409;mircea_popescu;it's not even a thing. it's gas.
633511;1398105465;mircea_popescu;"as it's use is very limited"
633512;1398105483;davout;mircea_popescu: i'd say fungibility is the absence of identity, anonymity is the absence of name, but i'm too tipsy on that delicious rosé champagne to even imagine arguing the point properly
633513;1398105489;mircea_popescu;stupid enough to not realise he can't have a "my" as nobody, clueless enough to fail to distinguish a verb from a possessive. this is reddit.
633514;1398105501;mircea_popescu;davout so argue it tomorrow.
633515;1398105645;mircea_popescu;curious to see how you'll argue cluster4 is not fungible with cluster3 or derpymcherp or w/e.
633516;1398105701;mircea_popescu;this entire shit is backwards. views, which are not fungible, people pretend are in fact fungible. then anons, which are absolutely fungible, people pretend like are not. apparently the web is quite counterintuitive.
633517;1398105797;davout;mircea_popescu: derps might be fungible as anonymous entities, entities we couldn't care to name, it doesn't really impede their ability to each own a bitcent
633518;1398105825;davout;brb
633519;1398105906;mircea_popescu;but that's irrelevant for this discussion innit.
633520;1398105930;mircea_popescu;the opinion of derp1 is exactly equal to the opinion of derp2 inasmuch as we don't know anything about 'em.
633521;1398105974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18993 @ 0.00099071 = 18.8166 BTC [+] {2} 
633522;1398106343;davout;mircea_popescu: yes, but fungibility and anonymity lie in the observer, property lies with the things themselves
633523;1398106346;bounce;yeah, no. with davout on this one, "anonymity" is lack of a label, not necessarily lack of an underlying identity. on the flip side, you already know what jehova's witnesses will try and tell you without you needing their name, regardless of whether they offer their name. if they do, they're no longer anonymous. it doesn't affect your esteem for what they're trying to tell you.
633524;1398106351;mircea_popescu;http://www.lambiek.net/artists/image/m/mas_r/mas_pifou_pg6904.jpg
633525;1398106371;mircea_popescu;davout the fact that the person "deep down" "twu wuvs" you is immaterial.
633526;1398106380;mircea_popescu;for all you know pet rocks have distinct personalities.
633527;1398106413;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: looks like I lost the bet
633528;1398106420;mircea_popescu;aye.
633529;1398106425;thestringpuller;:(
633530;1398106435;mircea_popescu;bounce anon jehova's witnesses are not people.
633531;1398106452;mircea_popescu;to personalize they need to de-jehova-witnessize for you, before you.
633532;1398106459;davout;derp1 and derp2 might be fungible from our pov, but derp1 can still own 1 btc while derp2 owns 2
633533;1398106464;mircea_popescu;so ?
633534;1398106466;bounce;not to you. inside their own circles their worth is measured by their zeal.
633535;1398106472;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: there's an H on end
633536;1398106478;mircea_popescu;but what happens inside the pet rock is uninteresting in this discussion.
633537;1398106489;mircea_popescu;fluffypony yeah k.
633538;1398106526;davout;mircea_popescu: it is, because knowledge of different informations translates directly to ownership, or non-ownership of bitcoins for example
633539;1398106541;mircea_popescu;unless and untill this becomes transpared to you it is immaterial.
633540;1398106552;mircea_popescu;after it becomes transparent to you, it already broke that anonimity.
633541;1398106575;bounce;soldiers are cannon fodder to you, individuals to themselves and their bosses. look, they even wear name tags.
633542;1398106593;mircea_popescu;but what they are, for as long as they DON
633543;1398106600;thestringpuller;;;seen mod6
633544;1398106601;gribble;mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 16 hours, 49 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <mod6> $vwap s.mpoe
633545;1398106601;mircea_popescu;T wear dogtags, is fungible gas.
633546;1398106675;mircea_popescu;"A 43-year-old programmer who helped set in motion a class-action lawsuit against the companies and became one of its five class representatives will not be present in the San Jose courtroom. He was shot and killed by the police last December."
633547;1398106681;mircea_popescu;funny how accidents work.
633548;1398106706;bounce;very funny indeed
633549;1398106715;davout;i don't think that my ability to distinguish derps is really related to their ability to own stuff, it is not necessary for me to be able to know they are able to destroy a bitcoin for them to actually be able to destroy a bitcoin
633550;1398106760;mircea_popescu;davout your ability to distinguish derps is however central to their ability to exist.
633551;1398106783;mircea_popescu;you can be bios, but you can not be zoon unrecognised.
633552;1398106803;mircea_popescu;so yes, animals they can be. people however, they can not be, unless recognised.
633553;1398106825;bounce;there's this conflation of "person" to mean "someone who matters (to me)", which is highly viewpoint-dependent. your basic definition appears to be "someone who matters in the bitcoin sphere and can be trusted not to fsck up (too badly)". might need a suitable word for that.
633554;1398106852;mircea_popescu;bounce it merely means "someone who can be distinguished from the others"
633555;1398106876;davout;what you're saying is pretty much that derps exist in a quantum superposition of owning, and not-owning stuff, and that their actual ownership resolves when i actually observe, aka measure them
633556;1398106879;mircea_popescu;which reduces to "someone who could, in principle, matter"
633557;1398106881;davout;right?
633558;1398106889;mircea_popescu;because the undistinguishable can't ever matter, by definition.
633559;1398106898;mircea_popescu;davout pretty good approach yeah
633560;1398106916;mircea_popescu;speaking of "different" derps is like speaking of photons as billiard balls.
633561;1398106927;davout;that is true if you consider that everything that matters is only what you have knowledge of
633562;1398106927;mircea_popescu;perhaps an excusable approximation in some narrow cases, but wrong in principle.
633563;1398106943;mircea_popescu;davout everythint that matters is only what COULD BE HAD knowledge of.
633564;1398106944;bounce;``In ancient Rome, the word "persona" (Latin) or "prosopon" ([...]: Greek) originally referred to the masks worn by actors on stage.'' --wikipedia
633565;1398106959;mircea_popescu;bounce fun fact... that yielded romanian prosop, which means... towel.
633566;1398106979;bounce;those come in handy hitchhiking
633567;1398107072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0671117 = 0.6711 BTC [-] {5} 
633568;1398107073;bounce;anyway that doesn't help much, since "distinguishing from the others" implies a yardstick, that in turn is a choice bound by context
633569;1398107104;mircea_popescu;not so.
633570;1398107129;mircea_popescu;yardstick is a matter of measuring, and thus relegated to quantitative discussions. we're discussing qualitative matters here.
633571;1398107189;bounce;we're measuring the quality. when is someone a person? whether the scale is actually countable is immaterial.
633572;1398107204;bounce;s/is countable/has countable subdivisions/
633573;1398107209;mircea_popescu;nah.
633574;1398107229;bounce;you still end up with two ends of a stick. "person", "not a person"
633575;1398107271;mircea_popescu;how are these ends of a stick ? there's no continuum
633576;1398107358;bounce;or sides. you can discern both states, even if the distance between them is infinitesmal and only exists as an idea to boot
633577;1398107397;bounce;when's the liquour strong enough? well, if it's over $strength. something like that.
633578;1398107415;mircea_popescu;let's try a different tack. you know what a cog is. you also know what a sphere is.
633579;1398107428;mircea_popescu;good anonimity, just like good sphericity, relies on not being a cog. at all.
633580;1398107445;mircea_popescu;conversely, good cogicity, just like good personhood, relies on not being a sphere. at all.
633581;1398107461;davout;bounce: the way i understand the argument is that ownership is akin to the state of an electron, until you observe it exists in a superposition of states, it can only have a state when you observe it
633582;1398107462;mircea_popescu;now, this does not reduce to "liquor being strong ENOUGH"
633583;1398107499;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.02838964 = 0.5394 BTC [-] {10} 
633584;1398107504;mircea_popescu;it reduces to being liquour or oil.
633585;1398107513;mircea_popescu;good oil is not alcohol. good alcohol is not oil.
633586;1398107553;davout;speaking of which i'm on way to pop the second bottle, please disregard all my further comments
633587;1398107560;mircea_popescu;there's no serious consideration of an oil-alcohol mixture being "storng enough", as you won't drink vodka-canoia oil cocktails
633588;1398107587;bounce;disagree. it'd mean that the only good person be a totally non-anonymous person, so, real personhood is only open to, say, obama. or dubya.
633589;1398107639;mircea_popescu;bounce actually, misplaced shards of anonimity ruin personhood. which is why i keep having to ask derps posing as ceos here "who's we".
633590;1398107653;mircea_popescu;conversely, misplaced shards of personhood ruin anonimity. such as w/e, silk road guy.
633591;1398107952;mircea_popescu;"Now academics learn to take a paper or a class of papers, imitate the style, the organization; copy the phraseology, discuss the historical literature and find some wrinkle on the problem that makes it look like a contribution. This is what tends to be published, and this is what seems to be "original". And these works never survive the author."
633592;1398107972;mircea_popescu;because someone somewhere in a bureaucracy figured it's a good idea to fucking industrialise research.
633593;1398107978;mircea_popescu;may he never rest.
633594;1398108039;bounce;guy posing as "CEO" claiming to have lots of minions needs a good team. since claim made, up to him to back it up. that's not quite the same as requiring to know his every move or his every thought.
633595;1398108074;bounce;s/back it up/&, show he has such a team/ etc.  bit forgetful with the details today
633596;1398108076;mircea_popescu;nobody requires to know his every move or thought in any sense.
633597;1398108095;bounce;that's be implied through "total non-anonymity" though
633598;1398108099;mircea_popescu;only iyo.
633599;1398108115;bounce;no. hence the conflation.
633600;1398108149;mircea_popescu;the criteria is good wot relations, not "knowing their every thought"
633601;1398108150;bounce;I'm not disagreeing with what you're trying to say, just that the terminology could stand improvement.
633602;1398108157;mircea_popescu;the devil himself knows not the thought of man
633603;1398108182;bounce;(yet god knows every thought of the devil's, and being a good little god... lets him be?)
633604;1398108204;mircea_popescu;if god actually knew every thought of the devil, he'd have not been surprised.
633605;1398108221;mircea_popescu;god'd like to. but tis impossible, inasmuch as the devil is human, and god is not that good.
633606;1398108222;bounce;you're saying the poor devil is unoriginal?
633607;1398108235;mircea_popescu;i am saying that the poor god is incapable.
633608;1398108269;bounce;oh well. AIUI paradise lost would beg to differ. haven't gotten around to actually reading the thing.
633609;1398108303;mircea_popescu;how's it differ ?
633610;1398108344;bounce;anyway, "good wot relations" means that you've met and dealt with a number of other people, and gathered their esteem, and in doing so gathered a total esteem enough to be deemed worthy of the community as a whole.
633611;1398108362;bounce;"liqour strong enough" if you will
633612;1398108385;mircea_popescu;understanding rather than esteem. the people you've dealt with are marks you may be recognised by.
633613;1398108404;mircea_popescu;in no sense is this a numeric problem,
633614;1398108413;mircea_popescu;which is why no numeric methods work for this task.
633615;1398108431;bounce;and every user has a differend yardstick, making the whole thing subjective to use.
633616;1398108441;mircea_popescu;two hours ago i said i suspect i'm weeks away from a major breakthrough in economics.
633617;1398108450;mircea_popescu;i think this discussion shaved a week off.
633618;1398108467;mircea_popescu;bounce im not sure you have a usable definition of subjective in mind.
633619;1398108475;bounce;also more or less saved me having to do a write-up
633620;1398108479;mircea_popescu;if it's the kneejerk "not usg diddled" then might as well discard it.
633621;1398108617;bounce;"subjective" as every user of the wot looking to form an opinion on some other user of the wot does so as he deems good, mayhaps taking into account that raters will also use their own criteria to rate with.
633622;1398108624;bounce;s/as /as in /
633623;1398108645;mircea_popescu;so inasmuch as good is done, this is optimal not subjective.
633624;1398108668;mircea_popescu;if he looked to do what he felt like it could have been subjective, as a proxy for aesthetic i guess.
633625;1398108732;bounce;what I mean is that even if the outcome is roughly the same for different onlookers, their conclusions are (supposedly) their own; like how you notice that there's no intl. standard of interpreting ratings. nor should there be.
633626;1398108781;mircea_popescu;which is ultimately why no numerical approach.
633627;1398108784;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03099869 = 0.186 BTC [+] {5} 
633628;1398108791;bounce;you could still try and throw statistics at it, but that doesn't change the underlying subjectivity
633629;1398108813;mircea_popescu;are you using "subjectivity" merely to note the fact that the numeric method does not apply ?
633630;1398108930;bounce;hmno.
633631;1398109028;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.063133 = 1.2627 BTC [-] {10} 
633632;1398109122;bounce;WOT ratings can well mean different things to you and me. they're not even ment to be used "objectively", ie in a manner independent of people's opinions.
633633;1398109154;mircea_popescu;give me an example of such an objectively.
633634;1398109223;bounce;an objective measure? a metre, standard the world over.
633635;1398109229;mircea_popescu;enacted by ?
633636;1398109238;mircea_popescu;worst possible fucking example.
633637;1398109348;bounce;whether I take a tape measure to $derp or you do it, when done correctly we both will conclude the guy's length to be $whatever. that'd be objective. we both look at his WOT ratings, we might well draw different conclusions on the same data.
633638;1398109392;bounce;we could devise a "standard" scoring test for WOT ratings and still draw differing conclusions based on what we see
633639;1398109396;mircea_popescu;this is more akin to you using inches and me using cm.
633640;1398109419;mircea_popescu;both of these "objectively" examples you provide strictly adhere to your definition of subjectivity,
633641;1398109428;mircea_popescu;they exist as a result of people's opinions.
633642;1398109465;bounce;er? I gave one objective and one subjective example?
633643;1398109503;mircea_popescu;<bounce> an objective measure? a metre, standard the world over. < 1 ; <bounce> whether I take a tape measure to $derp or you do it, when done correctly we both will conclude the guy's length to be $whatever. < 2
633644;1398109533;mircea_popescu;your "done corectly" is there precisely because you too know this :
633645;1398109543;mircea_popescu;god help us if our opinions of these subjectives do not agree.
633646;1398109599;bounce;both're objective; I don't need a judgement call here, I look at the tape measure.
633647;1398109643;mircea_popescu;but you need a judgement call for the tape measure to exist in the first place.
633648;1398109690;mircea_popescu;you seem to be roughly in the position of the slave who says his master's will is divine in nature, because it's outside of his reach.
633649;1398109702;bounce;eh, I think we're past that. I can put three lava lamps on a table and count them. you'll count three too. no feels or beliefs involved. even if our counting system is ultimately arbitrary in it existence
633650;1398109702;mircea_popescu;while outside of his reach it may well be, his master's just another guy.
633651;1398109730;mircea_popescu;so numbers are your standard of objectivity, but then when i ask you <mircea_popescu> are you using "subjectivity" merely to note the fact that the numeric method does not apply ? you say no.
633652;1398109760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.00600001 = 0.3 BTC [+]
633653;1398109820;bounce;well, what is "the numeric method"? I can devise and use a system of numeric scales based on how much I feel I know about someone else.
633654;1398109837;bounce;the end result to that would still be subjective. someone else might well feel a different way.
633655;1398110005;davout;meanwhile, in timisoara : http://i.imgur.com/kBnMktn.jpg
633656;1398110111;mircea_popescu;lol
633657;1398110160;davout;!up Oleanie
633658;1398110160;assbot;Voicing Oleanie for 30 minutes.
633659;1398110170;Oleanie;i love this one ^^
633660;1398110187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.0009891 = 8.259 BTC [-] {3} 
633661;1398110228;mircea_popescu;hello kitty
633662;1398110230;bounce;curious how that thing is such a stayer. as an antidote: http://web.archive.org/web/20010221014629/http://www.gci-net.com/users/w/wildeman/Sanrio.txt
633663;1398110248;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.066108 = 0.6611 BTC [+] {2} 
633664;1398110370;mircea_popescu;!up lamosty
633665;1398110370;assbot;Voicing lamosty for 30 minutes.
633666;1398110494;davout;bounce: stopped after chapter one
633667;1398110553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00099321 = 34.812 BTC [+] {3} 
633668;1398111644;mircea_popescu;mkay, so i'm writing a seminal, major and epic work called "a complete theory of economics".
633669;1398111659;mircea_popescu;sadly this has to start by my translating three older romanian articles, but c'est la vie.
633670;1398111697;bounce;so, google translate work better straight to english or via french or/and latin first?
633671;1398111712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00099521 = 15.2267 BTC [+]
633672;1398111867;mircea_popescu;it doesn't work at sall unless you're after humor.
633673;1398112556;jborkl;hehe you said semen
633674;1398112566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13502 @ 0.00099521 = 13.4373 BTC [+] {2} 
633675;1398112684;fluffypony;jborkl: semen-all
633676;1398112689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00099707 = 8.6247 BTC [+]
633677;1398112733;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I dunno why the dude reverts to assuming personal attacks other than maybe the one sided blindess impressed upon the legal profession.
633678;1398113176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.0009945 = 7.1604 BTC [-] {2} 
633679;1398113357;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: when do we get _Trilema: The Book_
633680;1398113562;fluffypony;http://imgur.com/a/NEHRT
633681;1398113562;ozbot;13 Hilarious and Sexist Dating Tips From 1938. - Imgur
633682;1398113564;fluffypony;oh the 30s
633683;1398113786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4720 @ 0.00099439 = 4.6935 BTC [-]
633684;1398113827;mircea_popescu;rithm lol
633685;1398113834;mircea_popescu;wait wut! cheating of voice!
633686;1398113868;mircea_popescu;lol
633687;1398113875;mircea_popescu;!up rithm
633688;1398113875;assbot;Voicing rithm for 30 minutes.
633689;1398113902;rithm;be vewwwwy kwiet. im hunting wabbits
633690;1398113939;rithm;but this though: http://imgur.com/VTBX0dg
633691;1398114091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8973 @ 0.00099425 = 8.9214 BTC [-]
633692;1398114213;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49000005 = 0.98 BTC [-] {2} 
633693;1398114335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5791 @ 0.00098861 = 5.725 BTC [-]
633694;1398114567;cgcardona_;;;rate danielpbarron 1 #bitcoin-assets regular and defended me when a scammer squatted on my nick in #bitcoin-otc
633695;1398114568;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user danielpbarron has changed from 1 to 1.
633696;1398114571;cgcardona_;thanks btw ^
633697;1398114572;artifexd;cgcardona_: I wouldn't worry about total wot rating since it is a meaningless number.
633698;1398114607;artifexd;Sometimes a negative rating would be a good thing depending on who it came from.
633699;1398114620;fluffypony;like from Supa
633700;1398114629;artifexd;Imagine you had a negative rating from mtgox with the comment "TROLL!!!!!!"
633701;1398114640;cgcardona_;haha.
633702;1398114642;artifexd;I would see such a rating as reflecting positively on the ratee.
633703;1398114653;cgcardona_;interesting way to look at it.
633704;1398114823;rithm;i'd almost pay for a negrate from mgicaltux
633705;1398114828;rithm;*magicaltux
633706;1398114849;rithm;negrate from a scammer is a badge of honor
633707;1398114872;artifexd;Exactly. So you can't just look at the sum of the ratings and learn anything useful.
633708;1398114943;artifexd;Does anyone know of any wot visualization tools? I imagine something like bubbles with names and the lines connecting those bubbles are colored/weighted according to the rating.
633709;1398114948;bounce;sure you can. "person has been rated N times, some positive, some negative." -- negative ratings might well be the more interesting to read.
633710;1398114991;artifexd;When I said "look at the sum", I meant look at the single number which is the sum of all ratings.
633711;1398115056;bounce;the fact that it exists at all is an interesting datum, inasmuch it doesn't say "not rated yet"
633712;1398115105;bounce;if it's well over 10 or -10 that's a clear indication it wasn't by just one rating either
633713;1398115106;artifexd;I would argue that the fact that it exists at all encourages the improper use of the wot.
633714;1398115135;bounce;no railroading powertools
633715;1398115655;mircea_popescu;artifexd actually the controlling example is... anduck himself has a total negaitve
633716;1398115677;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 57 @ 0.06269212 = 3.5735 BTC [-] {5} 
633717;1398115683;mircea_popescu;also :
633718;1398115690;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust artifexd
633719;1398115691;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zasykpxnqiqgtbip. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user artifexd: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=artifexd | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=artifexd | Rated since: Wed Mar  5 02:06:14 2014
633720;1398115703;mircea_popescu;first one.
633721;1398115708;mircea_popescu;!up rithm
633722;1398115708;assbot;Voicing rithm for 30 minutes.
633723;1398115754;rithm;why must we voice me
633724;1398115760;rithm;the bot is dumb
633725;1398115769;artifexd;mircea_popescu: When asking about the visual tool, I meant for the whole wot.  Specifically to identify islands, groups, etc.
633726;1398115787;mircea_popescu;dexX7 published one recently iirc.
633727;1398115797;mircea_popescu;rithm because you have no wot.
633728;1398115797;rithm;can't someone just run a normal eggdrop bot and auto voice people
633729;1398115798;kakobrekla;rithm up yourself on pm
633730;1398115799;rithm;gaH
633731;1398115808;kakobrekla;or that.
633732;1398115809;rithm;BUT I HAVE TO CHANGE NICKS FOR THAT
633733;1398115816;rithm;and my caps getsd stuck
633734;1398115816;mircea_popescu;so stop sucking
633735;1398115822;kakobrekla;i think not anymore
633736;1398115837;rithm;lemme try
633737;1398115885;artifexd;Interestingly, wrt anduck, he has a total of -69. There are 7 -10 ratings that are CLEARLY from the same person.
633738;1398115929;rithm;b-o-r-i-n-g
633739;1398115931;rithm;;;ident
633740;1398115931;gribble;CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'rithm', with hostmask 'rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm', is identified as user 'jcpham', with GPG key id C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, key fingerprint F7299BD73879E866613EAB24C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, and bitcoin address 157CrafPv8oGC7f5vVFuLnE1BgDYUND4hq
633741;1398115935;rithm;;;unauth
633742;1398115935;gribble;Your GPG session has been terminated.
633743;1398115952;artifexd;dexX7: Did you visualize the entire wot?
633744;1398115956;dexX7;no :)
633745;1398115983;dexX7;only the assbot/#ba users
633746;1398115992;artifexd;But... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2014#633726
633747;1398115993;artifexd;Ah
633748;1398116000;dexX7;sec
633749;1398116047;dexX7;http://i.imgur.com/xfGIozu.png
633750;1398116062;rithm;omg gold titans
633751;1398116071;rithm;incoming supposedly
633752;1398116072;dexX7;bounce posted a list of all users who may be voiced here
633753;1398116074;rithm;much excite
633754;1398116127;dexX7;the tool used was https://gephi.org/ which allows to import simple csvs but it's really slow for large datasets (or i simply don't know how to use it properly which is not unlikely :)
633755;1398116170;artifexd;That's hot.
633756;1398116655;kakobrekla;rithm, yeah, although i fixed the parsing side, its not gonna work because it would break the simplicity of the design, so nick around if you wanna dick around
633757;1398116721;*;rithm dagger to the heart
633758;1398116909;fluffypony;dexX7: very cool
633759;1398117019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4232 @ 0.00098871 = 4.1842 BTC [+]
633760;1398117120;bounce;probably should re-run that listing thing; the math was a bit borked.
633761;1398117446;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 650 @ 0.14 = 91 BTC
633762;1398117613;bounce;oh foo, need to re-do the via thing. hm.
633763;1398117690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00098871 = 10.2826 BTC [+]
633764;1398117873;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
633765;1398117929;dignork;dexX7: try this one instead of Gephi: http://tulip.labri.fr/TulipDrupal/ , on my graphs Gephi just crashed, but this one survived
633766;1398117980;dexX7;ah ty
633767;1398118056;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 11 @ 0.00994845 = 0.1094 BTC [-] {2} 
633768;1398118530;dexX7;does anyone know since when blockchain.info is offline?
633769;1398118544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10347 @ 0.00098849 = 10.2279 BTC [-] {2} 
633770;1398118560;dexX7;ah nvm. i found the blogpost
633771;1398118849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00098373 = 12.7885 BTC [-] {3} 
633772;1398118971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 600 @ 0.14 = 84 BTC
633773;1398119169;jurov;http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2014/apr/21/palcohol-powder-alcohol-vodka-rum-cocktail-snorting?CMP=fb_gu
633774;1398119169;ozbot;Palcohol: the powderised alcohol that turns water into rum | Life and style | The Guardian
633775;1398119179;jurov;sth for BingoBoingo
633776;1398119313;jurov;i have seen our future. soylent and palcohol.
633777;1398119337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11753 @ 0.00098483 = 11.5747 BTC [+]
633778;1398119411;bounce;how does that work, powdering a liquid?
633779;1398119474;bounce;``If you have $100 million or more to invest, we'll be happy to talk to you. :) Otherwise we are not taking on investors.'' -- totally legit
633780;1398119764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 50 @ 0.00750001 = 0.375 BTC [+] {2} 
633781;1398119769;mircea_popescu;bounce da fuck is that ?
633782;1398119816;jurov;either it's powderware or they figured out a compound that produces ethanol in contact with water
633783;1398119887;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06611965 = 0.1984 BTC [+] {2} 
633784;1398119894;jurov;!up benkay`
633785;1398119894;assbot;Voicing benkay` for 30 minutes.
633786;1398119906;benkay`;thanks jurov
633787;1398119941;benkay`;bounce, jurov: it's a crystalline thing that absorbs alcohol.
633788;1398119957;benkay`;and then (i think) dissolves in water.
633789;1398120008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30350 @ 0.00098321 = 29.8404 BTC [-] {3} 
633790;1398120057;jurov;why ChanServ did it?
633791;1398120058;jurov;!up benkay`
633792;1398120058;assbot;Voice for benkay` extended to 30 minutes.
633793;1398120106;benkay;figured it out
633794;1398120191;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.480234 = 2.4012 BTC [-] {4} 
633795;1398120325;thestringpuller;;;later tell mod6 yo mod6 mon, you dead?
633796;1398120326;gribble;The operation succeeded.
633797;1398120341;dexX7;asicminer: "What is the status, size, and expected delivery of the next batch of chips? What about the one after that? -> This month: 850k, next month: 3.35m (order size), June: 6.7m (order size), assuming each chip is 10G." soo.. that's 8.5 - 67 petahash x_x
633798;1398120383;dexX7;source https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg6329377#msg6329377
633799;1398120552;asciilifeform;loltronicly - just got home to the Lande of teh Phree (tm)
633800;1398120579;asciilifeform;spend almost as long arse-sniffed by inspector dogs, standing in line, as on airplane
633801;1398120618;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48001 BTC [-]
633802;1398120646;mrstickball;107 PH.... nice
633803;1398120679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.48000066 = 1.44 BTC [-] {2} 
633804;1398120740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 470 @ 0.00448406 = 2.1075 BTC [-] {12} 
633805;1398120862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00098994 = 23.1646 BTC [+] {2} 
633806;1398120923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00099131 = 12.1931 BTC [+]
633807;1398120923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04010312 = 0.1203 BTC [+]
633808;1398120924;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06611999 = 0.1322 BTC [+]
633809;1398121202;thestringpuller;yo can we trade ATC in here?
633810;1398121209;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: you live in the states?
633811;1398121259;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: sadly, yes. i was brought there as a boy and haven't accumulated fuel for orbital escape velocity as of this moment.
633812;1398121347;thestringpuller;you know that's what I spend most of my time doing in kerbal space program
633813;1398121353;thestringpuller;i just shoot fuel into orbit
633814;1398121366;thestringpuller;like 90% of my time is spent doing that
633815;1398121372;thestringpuller;fucking gravity man
633816;1398121411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00099227 = 1.29 BTC [+]
633817;1398121472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8524 @ 0.00099227 = 8.4581 BTC [+]
633818;1398121815;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 12 hours ?!
633819;1398121823;asciilifeform;aye
633820;1398121833;mircea_popescu;what ?!
633821;1398121841;asciilifeform;some of it, to be fair, spend puttering around in munchen
633822;1398121851;mircea_popescu;nuts.
633823;1398121971;diametric;Fancy
633824;1398122001;asciilifeform;takes almost as long to get out of washington's airport as to do a great circle loop across atlantic.
633825;1398122021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18510 @ 0.00099173 = 18.3569 BTC [-] {2} 
633826;1398122204;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.00475992 = 0.2332 BTC [+]
633827;1398122274;dexX7;did you do anything "suspicious" or is this the regular waiting time?
633828;1398122327;davout;;;rate asciilifeform 1 this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL
633829;1398122328;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.
633830;1398122345;davout;;;rate mike_c 1 this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL
633831;1398122346;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mike_c has been recorded.
633832;1398122360;davout;;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL
633833;1398122361;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.
633834;1398122423;davout;;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL, also CoinBR
633835;1398122424;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user ThickAsThieves has changed from 1 to 1.
633836;1398122477;davout;;;rate kakobrekla 1 this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL, also Bit4x
633837;1398122478;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
633838;1398122562;davout;dexX7: i'm kind of surprised asciilifeform got through the customs at all with all the gear he was carrying :D
633839;1398122580;thestringpuller;lol rate away
633840;1398122601;dexX7;sounds like a nice party you guys had
633841;1398122607;davout;gribble will tell you if you overwrite a previous rating, right?
633842;1398122631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5488 @ 0.000986 = 5.4112 BTC [-]
633843;1398122641;davout;dexX7: it was very interesting indeed
633844;1398122660;diametric;I've been promised to hear some good stories about it tomorrow
633845;1398122692;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.49917942 = 2.4959 BTC [+] {3} 
633846;1398122704;thestringpuller;davout: if you met them IRL wouldn't you give them at least a 5
633847;1398122708;davout;diametric: pictures speak a thousand words : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-04-2014#633655
633848;1398122725;diametric;davout: incredible
633849;1398122776;davout;thestringpuller: you reckon?
633850;1398122785;thestringpuller;5 was arbritrary
633851;1398122787;thestringpuller;lets say 2
633852;1398122787;thestringpuller;or 3
633853;1398122796;thestringpuller;being conservative and shit
633854;1398122799;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/an-hero-is-he/#comment-99191
633855;1398122800;ozbot;An hero is he… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
633856;1398122809;mircea_popescu;nao im almost as good as stan, i have my own derp.
633857;1398122814;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 144 @ 0.00430214 = 0.6195 BTC [-] {8} 
633858;1398122816;mircea_popescu;my 500th, but anyway.
633859;1398122835;diametric;That picture of Stan by the o-scope is amazing
633860;1398122835;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
633861;1398122840;davout;mircea_popescu: mazeltov
633862;1398122868;davout;i took a few pictures, mircea_popescu if you want to compile them lemme me know
633863;1398123363;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 498 @ 0.00392797 = 1.9561 BTC [-] {18} 
633864;1398123424;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 394 @ 0.0032169 = 1.2675 BTC [-] {20} 
633865;1398123546;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.004201 = 0.2269 BTC [+]
633866;1398123596;mircea_popescu;davout jus' publish em
633867;1398123605;mircea_popescu;diametric pretty cool huh.
633868;1398124279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48131543 BTC [-]
633869;1398124280;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00423376 = 0.3133 BTC [+] {4} 
633870;1398124339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.00424997 = 0.1317 BTC [+] {3} 
633871;1398124583;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4811317 BTC [-]
633872;1398124584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00424996 = 0.391 BTC [+] {2} 
633873;1398124949;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.00013062 = 0.3266 BTC [-] {6} 
633874;1398124986;thestringpuller;publish dat shit
633875;1398125010;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48002102 BTC [-]
633876;1398125011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00436006 = 0.4796 BTC [+] {5} 
633877;1398125012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.0009937 = 11.0798 BTC [+] {3} 
633878;1398125341;mircea_popescu;"I found myself conversing with a young criminal lawyer who will soon be marrying into the same family that I did last summer. I think this makes us laws-in-laws."
633879;1398125345;mircea_popescu;funniest shit i read all week
633880;1398126718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49896855 = 0.9979 BTC [+]
633881;1398126779;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00445 = 0.178 BTC [+] {2} 
633882;1398127389;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 24 @ 0.00739988 = 0.1776 BTC [+] {2} 
633883;1398127401;asciilifeform;dexX7: regular queue! no one bothered to actually search, arse or suitcase, on egress
633884;1398127451;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4810062 BTC [-]
633885;1398127511;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00445694 = 0.1604 BTC [+]
633886;1398127512;dexX7;i heard many bad things about arrival, tsa and such but i didn't expect it to be that bad
633887;1398127575;asciilifeform;davout: the customs at all with all the gear he was carrying << not one guard gave so much as a rat's arse! colour me equally surprised.
633888;1398127580;asciilifeform;although not quite true
633889;1398127616;asciilifeform;the american one, on the last exit before dulles parking lot, wanted to know 'what kind of business? software? now say, what kind!'
633890;1398127634;asciilifeform;me: 'financial, of course. want a demo?'
633891;1398127646;asciilifeform;muppet: 'no thanks, that door please'
633892;1398127700;asciilifeform;davout, others: i've a vast collection of pics, of various things, will eventually sort and post one or two.
633893;1398127756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.49628404 = 3.9703 BTC [+] {4} 
633894;1398127757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00099425 = 18.2942 BTC [+]
633895;1398127999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.49999948 = 10 BTC [+] {4} 
633896;1398128060;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00454263 = 0.477 BTC [+] {3} 
633897;1398128304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4995 = 0.999 BTC [-] {2} 
633898;1398128431;kakobrekla;well, i had the romanian customs scratching my passport with his fingernails for like 10 minutes, asking all sorts of questions.
633899;1398128487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35793 @ 0.00099105 = 35.4727 BTC [-] {3} 
633900;1398128609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 38 @ 0.47857315 = 18.1858 BTC [-] {10} 
633901;1398128768;Apocalyptic;heh
633902;1398129829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 35 @ 0.007 = 0.245 BTC [+]
633903;1398129998;TestingUnoDosTre;thank you assbot
633904;1398130195;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0295 = 0.118 BTC [-]
633905;1398130196;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4899989 BTC [+]
633906;1398130311;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla anything good ?
633907;1398130506;kakobrekla;nah
633908;1398130683;asciilifeform;loper-os.org/pub/humans
633909;1398130784;asciilifeform;everyone here should recognize at least one or two of these.
633910;1398130805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.49697762 = 1.9879 BTC [+] {2} 
633911;1398130902;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol mike looks like he's in trouble in that 1st one
633912;1398131012;mircea_popescu;actually he looks like he's in trouble throughout. poor him
633913;1398131091;kakobrekla;apparently i managed not to get doxxed this time
633914;1398131171;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00099425 = 4.6233 BTC [+]
633915;1398131221;mircea_popescu;nobody knoes how you look like!
633916;1398131842;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 19 @ 0.006988 = 0.1328 BTC [-]
633917;1398132282;kakobrekla;illegal, apparently.
633918;1398132330;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07608533 = 0.1522 BTC [+]
633919;1398132384;cgcardona_;asciilifeform: epic pics. wish I was there.
633920;1398132402;asciilifeform;cgcardona_: mr. p throws one hell of a party.
633921;1398132413;cgcardona_;i can only imagine. hopefully next year
633922;1398132518;cgcardona_;;;rate asciilifeform 1 #bitcoin-assets regular and posted pics of the 2014 conf
633923;1398132519;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.
633924;1398132568;asciilifeform;also, turns out the plastic-and-pluckfoam case thing is a good idea. everything else in my baggage got spindled, save for the contents of the Evil Attache.
633925;1398132598;asciilifeform;(container pictured in bottom left of last photograph)
633926;1398132726;mircea_popescu;so anyone ran pagerank on wot yet ?
633927;1398132749;asciilifeform;;;ident
633928;1398132749;gribble;Nick 'asciilifeform', with hostmask 'asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-246-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net', is identified as user 'asciilifeform', with GPG key id B98228A001ABFFC7, key fingerprint 17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7, and bitcoin address None
633929;1398132751;asciilifeform;;;rate davout 1 human!
633930;1398132753;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.
633931;1398132757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5582 @ 0.00099254 = 5.5404 BTC [-]
633932;1398132770;asciilifeform;;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 human!
633933;1398132771;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.
633934;1398132812;TestingUnoDosTre;What is hooked up to the oscilloscope in that picture?
633935;1398132828;asciilifeform;TestingUnoDosTre: rng.
633936;1398132835;cgcardona_;in person wot-o-meter
633937;1398132840;asciilifeform;lul
633938;1398132854;mircea_popescu;not thick enough
633939;1398132928;TestingUnoDosTre;random number generator?
633940;1398132965;mircea_popescu;yes part of teh cardano
633941;1398132973;joecool;nah it's a heart monitor
633942;1398133019;joecool;nice though, first prototypes?
633943;1398133031;asciilifeform;joecool: second.
633944;1398133043;mircea_popescu;actually someone was trying to measure their pulse
633945;1398133049;mircea_popescu;but too noisy power
633946;1398133125;asciilifeform;need something like this:
633947;1398133126;asciilifeform;http://img.docstoccdn.com/thumb/orig/127422769.png
633948;1398133158;joecool;http://loper-os.nfshost.com/pub/humans/1.jpg < you see this? this means you tell lies!
633949;1398133193;mircea_popescu;how so !?
633950;1398133202;mircea_popescu;o lol
633951;1398133206;joecool;mircea_popescu: would be a funny caption for it :)
633952;1398133214;mircea_popescu;yeah hehe
633953;1398133228;mircea_popescu;"and this is why you can;t have a penis"
633954;1398133241;joecool;"you are not the father!"
633955;1398133245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00099254 = 6.7493 BTC [-]
633956;1398133308;mircea_popescu;"you sure you didn't eat the twix bar ?"
633957;1398133311;cgcardona_;"the price of btc over time"
633958;1398133392;mircea_popescu;anway, i'm out. take it ezzy!
633959;1398133400;cgcardona_;later MP
633960;1398133419;*;asciilifeform off to regeneration chamber.
633961;1398133477;cgcardona_;enjoy the charge
633962;1398134530;moiety;mew
633963;1398134666;cgcardona_;;;ticker
633964;1398134667;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 500.49, Best ask: 501.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.50000, Last trade: 501.99, 24 hour volume: 7222.12107105, 24 hour low: 490.0, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 500.068946591
633965;1398134719;moiety;;; later tell BingoBoingo nope not moi but it is a manul! had to go look, i'm never there anymore
633966;1398134719;gribble;The operation succeeded.
633967;1398134783;moiety;benkay!
633968;1398134791;moiety;!up benkay`
633969;1398134791;assbot;Voicing benkay` for 30 minutes.
633970;1398134822;moiety;do you even need the up with the ` bit?!
633971;1398134849;moiety;nvm
633972;1398135014;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14523 @ 0.00099375 = 14.4322 BTC [+] {2} 
633973;1398135097;benkay`;apparently!
633974;1398135106;benkay`;something's hosed with freenode and my nick.
633975;1398135267;cgcardona_;in the spirit of benkay - PGP keys or GTFO </joke>
633976;1398135331;joecool;benkay`: /nickserv release benkay yourpassword
633977;1398135337;joecool;/nick benkay
633978;1398135341;joecool;…
633979;1398135344;joecool;PROFIT!
633980;1398135509;benkay`;cgcardona_: the difference between us is that my friends in this channel can identify me without my needing to auth. kinda crazy, neh?
633981;1398135522;benkay`;"friends".
633982;1398135581;benkay`;joecool: i did that earlier today, released, /nick'd myself, and then set it to autokick again.
633983;1398135626;moiety;how has everyone been?
633984;1398135682;benkay`;the landed gentry have been galivanting about romania playing with custom electronics and being generally glamorous
633985;1398135698;benkay`;http://loper-os.nfshost.com/pub/humans/
633986;1398135737;benkay`;how've you been, moiety ?
633987;1398135798;moiety;that place looks really nice! i havent seen these pictures, I saw the trilema ones. everyone looks so cute!
633988;1398135834;moiety;i've been surviving lol im fine. why did you go to the conf benkay?
633989;1398135849;moiety;not go **
633990;1398135915;benkay`;not i, not this year. i took some gents with whom i work up to the mountain for 4 days of drinking and talking about what the ever loving fuck we want to do for the next 3-7 years.
633991;1398135949;moiety;mountain pics??
633992;1398135966;moiety;did you come to any conclusions?
633993;1398136004;moiety;i saw kako took a good pic too
633994;1398136012;benkay`;point clouds
633995;1398136024;benkay`;and cheapo uav's
633996;1398136058;benkay`;now it's my job to get us from a where we are to b where we'd like to be which is building cool crap and making money at it
633997;1398136124;benkay`;but even before that, prototypes.
633998;1398136142;benkay`;which means banging atoms together. again. still. now.
633999;1398136309;moiety;gotta lub de atoms
634000;1398136335;moiety;prototypes of what?
634001;1398136428;benkay`;perhaps you love the atoms, and perhaps once i did as well, but i tired of the ever-present threat of digit removal.
634002;1398136545;moiety;i will have this fear to if i ever get to meet a manul
634003;1398136549;moiety;too*
634004;1398136557;moiety;also wtf is this shit? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=573801.new#new
634005;1398136560;benkay`;har those pretty deadly things
634006;1398136571;benkay`;i was so excited to get my first motoman up 20
634007;1398136596;benkay`;then i nearly took my own head off with it
634008;1398136659;moiety;!up benkay`
634009;1398136659;assbot;Voicing benkay` for 30 minutes.
634010;1398136691;moiety;loli like typing !up i kinda wish it was !up [user] good boy!
634011;1398136729;benkay`;anyways. at the close of that gig i made a rule for myself that i would no longer sit at the controls of machines that could maim or kill me.
634012;1398136742;moiety;did you see that wee hexapod robot that can roll around in any direction?
634013;1398136749;moiety;im just looking at motoman
634014;1398136753;benkay`;perhaps, do share?
634015;1398136771;benkay`;motoman's just a bog-standard dumb dumb robot mfgr.
634016;1398136825;benkay`;the up-20 (universal payload, I imagine...) was an impressive device. rated at max for 20Kg, and could swing a payload of that size around at lethal speeds.
634017;1398136847;benkay`;give or take a moment of inertia or three.
634018;1398136851;moiety;o.o
634019;1398136858;moiety;sounds vicious
634020;1398136871;moiety;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn3FWb-vQQ4
634021;1398136871;ozbot;MorpHex, the incredible hexapod robot  - YouTube
634022;1398136966;moiety;motoman looks entirely more useful
634023;1398137066;moiety;motoman looks vicious in action too
634024;1398137067;benkay`;interesting clockwork contraption.
634025;1398137081;moiety;some loud isn't it XD
634026;1398137167;benkay`;servos tend to be that way.
634027;1398137366;benkay`;anyways, coming projects have to do with floaty things not moving lots of metal around in production lines so the risk is probably bounded to burning my hands (only things that've been paying my meagre wages since time immemorial).
634028;1398137415;moiety;this thing scares the life out of me, its really fast
634029;1398137427;moiety;what kind of floaty things?
634030;1398137451;benkay`;>> cheapo uavs
634031;1398137457;benkay`;>> point clouds
634032;1398137463;benkay`;>> floaty things
634033;1398137472;benkay`;remainder is left as an exercise to the reader.
634034;1398137478;benkay`;good talkin' to ya, moiety.
634035;1398137483;benkay`;smell you later.
634036;1398137497;moiety;i didnt know what they were, i see now
634037;1398137514;moiety;later benkay, good to see you
634038;1398137683;moiety;got distracted by this http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=1677723
634039;1398138064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22409 @ 0.00099181 = 22.2255 BTC [-] {3} 
634040;1398138369;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.49989099 = 9.9978 BTC [+] {4} 
634041;1398138674;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.49999714 = 3.5 BTC [+] {2} 
634042;1398138918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.0045 = 0.189 BTC [-]
634043;1398139651;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1343 @ 0.000079 = 0.1061 BTC [-]
634044;1398139772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00099493 = 23.9778 BTC [+] {2} 
634045;1398140443;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
634046;1398140687;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.5 = 5.5 BTC [+]
634047;1398140992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00099036 = 3.4663 BTC [-]
634048;1398141236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.0009918 = 2.0828 BTC [+]
634049;1398141322;moiety;!up benkay`
634050;1398141322;assbot;Voicing benkay` for 30 minutes.
634051;1398141331;benkay`;thanks moiety
634052;1398141343;moiety;nw :)
634053;1398141362;benkay`;cowen on piketty: http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141218/tyler-cowen/capital-punishment
634054;1398141462;benkay`;"Last year, the government of the Republic of Cyprus imposed the equivalent of a tax on bank deposits, only to see the tax contribute to, rather than reverse, the island’s economic struggles."
634055;1398141521;benkay`;would someone please explain precisely what contributions to struggle the Cypress bail in caused to me?
634056;1398144000;bitcoinpete;Piketty: “there is no natural, spontaneous process to prevent destabilizing, inegalitarian forces from prevailing permanently.� <<destabilizing permanently is super contradictory
634057;1398144090;bitcoinpete;"The three decades between 1950 and 1980 were truly unusual; the constellation of economic and demographic variables that produced prosperity during that period will probably not be re-created anytime soon." <<pretty much
634058;1398144219;bitcoinpete;And I know MP caught my article earlier today, so for the rest of you:
634059;1398144225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00099036 = 4.4566 BTC [-]
634060;1398144230;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/consumerism-the-great-equalizer-the-legacy-of-the-french-revolution/
634061;1398144232;ozbot;Consumerism: The Great Equalizer – The Legacy of the French Revolution | When Bitcoin Met Pete
634062;1398144329;bitcoinpete;;;later tell mircea_popescu you make a good point about the last line. as students of history, we ain't forgettin' shit. i'm tempted to re-write it but then your comment wouldn't make any sense. it did feel a bit off as i wrote it...
634063;1398144329;gribble;The operation succeeded.
634064;1398144339;artifexd;!up benkay`
634065;1398144339;assbot;Voicing benkay` for 30 minutes.
634066;1398144445;HeySteve;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-21/riders-storm-fictional-letter-explaining-what-going-russia
634067;1398144446;ozbot;"Riders On The Storm:" A Fictional Letter Explaining What Is Going On In Russia | Zero Hedge
634068;1398144530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.0009893 = 23.3475 BTC [-] {3} 
634069;1398144966;bitcoinpete;More Piketty: "The simple fact is that large wealth taxes do not mesh well with the norms and practices required by a successful and prosperous capitalist democracy. It is hard to find well-functioning societies based on anything other than strong legal, political, and institutional respect and support for their most successful citizens."
634070;1398145313;BingoBoingo;jurov: RE: Powdered alcohols
634071;1398145314;BingoBoingo;http://www.google.com/patents/US3795747
634072;1398145411;bitcoinpete;cheers for now!
634073;1398145506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51299 BTC [+]
634074;1398146238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.50000001 = 1.5 BTC [-]
634075;1398146299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1052 @ 0.0001344 = 0.1414 BTC [+]
634076;1398146300;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 212 @ 0.0046469 = 0.9851 BTC [+] {6} 
634077;1398146421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 943 @ 0.00013444 = 0.1268 BTC [+] {2} 
634078;1398146727;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.044879 = 0.1346 BTC [+]
634079;1398146775;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/digging-for-answers-the-strong-smell-of-fraud-from-one-bitcoin-miner-maker/
634080;1398147092;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.51360264 = 12.8401 BTC [+] {4} 
634081;1398147153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51687744 = 2.0675 BTC [+] {4} 
634082;1398147214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5254 BTC [+]
634083;1398147275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0048197 = 0.241 BTC [+]
634084;1398147336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3549 @ 0.0009907 = 3.516 BTC [+]
634085;1398147407;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: the amounts in that article are staggering
634086;1398147448;moiety;o.o i didn't know thats where Josh spawned from
634087;1398147551;fluffypony;asciilifeform: that Cardano prototype is REALLY pretty!
634088;1398147641;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.00478 = 0.4828 BTC [-]
634089;1398148007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15833 @ 0.00098833 = 15.6482 BTC [-]
634090;1398148408;fluffypony;"Takes poker. It’s a game which is also an adult activity due to the money involved." <- broke my brain
634091;1398148465;HeySteve;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23ni1c/psa_of_bitcoin_scam_by_operators_of/
634092;1398148646;fluffypony;HeySteve: looks like it's been refunded: https://blockchain.info/tx/d1fb2e48a5c4ff458e50f425a1f5d9c073cbf59cbaec5fb04bc3cb85511ba23f
634093;1398148652;fluffypony;probably just slipped through the cracks
634094;1398148674;fluffypony;I've bought a couple of things on CryptoThrift, not blown away by the site but it seems to be a lot better than BitMit
634095;1398148678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00098833 = 20.8043 BTC [-]
634096;1398148703;HeySteve;ah that's good to know :)
634097;1398148800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00098833 = 7.5607 BTC [-]
634098;1398148826;HeySteve;BitMit's closure sucked
634099;1398148880;fluffypony;BitMit sucked in general
634100;1398148888;HeySteve;I was a seller there, it's unfortunate there's no way to migrate feedback from shuttered markets...
634101;1398148912;HeySteve;at the time, the only alternative was CoinGig
634102;1398148929;fluffypony;ja
634103;1398148938;fluffypony;best way is to get buyers to rate you on the WoT as well
634104;1398148976;HeySteve;yeah but where and how is WoT hosted?
634105;1398149002;fluffypony;;;later tell moiety did you get your free Denarius from CryptoWimmins yet?
634106;1398149002;gribble;The operation succeeded.
634107;1398149058;fluffypony;HeySteve: you'd have to ask nanotube for details, but with the vested interest from all parties in the WoT it isn't going anywhere
634108;1398149201;HeySteve;sure, it's open source and the data is easily copied, so I guess it could be mirrored easily enough
634109;1398149209;fluffypony;yep
634110;1398149213;fluffypony;https://github.com/nanotube/supybot_fixes
634111;1398149218;fluffypony;looks like it's SQLite
634112;1398149227;fluffypony;so very easy to re-host if necessary
634113;1398149288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0659999 = 0.198 BTC [+] {3} 
634114;1398149482;HeySteve;right, well I'd very much like to speak to nanotube in any case, in relation to my project
634115;1398149501;dexX7;do you know any legit website which allows to sign raw transactions after providing the rawtx + privkey? nothing fancy and the less overhead the better
634116;1398149559;fluffypony;dexX7: afaik blockchain.info has rawtx support
634117;1398149573;nanotube;HeySteve: fluffypony: fyi, can grab the db files for backup here: http://bitcoin-otc.com/otc/ and the code for the plugins is here https://github.com/nanotube/supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/
634118;1398149575;fluffypony;nanotube:)
634119;1398149585;nanotube;dexX7: you don't want to provide privkeys to any website. :P use a local client.
634120;1398149595;HeySteve;hey nanotube, thanks :)
634121;1398149600;nanotube;:)
634122;1398149621;dexX7;bci allows to push signed transactions but no signing
634123;1398149640;HeySteve;nanotube, may I have a word in private?
634124;1398149646;fluffypony;dexX7: sign offline and then push?
634125;1398149657;nanotube;HeySteve: sure
634126;1398149749;dexX7;that's the plan fluffypony. and i'm looking for a way to sign with a minimal setup. like a very simple website + js or similar
634127;1398149764;fluffypony;dexX7: are you looking to automate it or do it manually?
634128;1398149804;dexX7;actually i'm writing a tutorial for
634129;1398149807;dexX7;http://redeem.bitwatch.co
634130;1398149808;ozbot;Redeem multisig txs
634131;1398149830;fluffypony;oic oic
634132;1398149843;fluffypony;ok so then can't you use blockchain.info to push it once it's signed?
634133;1398149872;dexX7;signing via bitcoind is simple but i'd like to cover more ways
634134;1398149913;dexX7;pushing via bci works of cource but the tx needs to be signed first
634135;1398149987;dexX7;something like http://brainwallet.org/#tx where you only need to input an unsigned tx + privkey (unfortunally this does not work with brainwallet.org for whatever reason)
634136;1398150214;fluffypony;brb breakfast
634137;1398150874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00098866 = 3.5592 BTC [+] {2} 
634138;1398152312;dignork;dexX7: don't want to beat a dead horse, but puting anythin + privkey into browser is a bad idea, unless for some reason you run it on an oflline machine
634139;1398152359;dignork;s/oflline/offline hate mornings
634140;1398152521;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 108 @ 0.00450101 = 0.4861 BTC [-]
634141;1398152582;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00450018 = 0.2925 BTC [-] {2} 
634142;1398152948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50851001 BTC [-]
634143;1398153009;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 215 @ 0.00449994 = 0.9675 BTC [+] {3} 
634144;1398153070;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.0045 = 0.1035 BTC [+]
634145;1398153400;fluffypony;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vykJwKfXnpw
634146;1398153401;ozbot;Keith Saltojanes: WTF Is Bitcoin - YouTube
634147;1398153422;*;fluffypony chuckled
634148;1398153924;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52538 BTC [+]
634149;1398153985;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00098833 = 12.6506 BTC [-]
634150;1398154091;jurov;<davout> ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL, also CoinBR <<< lol I'm not aware TAT took over coinbr :D
634151;1398154717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00098994 = 31.8761 BTC [+] {3} 
634152;1398155089;BingoBoingo;http://www.libressl.org/
634153;1398155091;ozbot;LibreSSL
634154;1398155187;fluffypony;lol
634155;1398155212;fluffypony;of course Comic Sans
634156;1398155216;fluffypony;"This page scientifically designed to annoy web hipsters. Donate now to stop the Comic Sans and Blink Tags"
634157;1398155327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6678 @ 0.00099122 = 6.6194 BTC [+] {2} 
634158;1398155868;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: If you hate comic sans so much why even have it installed?
634159;1398155888;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: please point to the part of the sentence where I said I hate it
634160;1398156669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [-]
634161;1398156913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00403551 = 0.2139 BTC [-] {5} 
634162;1398156974;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.00431648 = 0.1338 BTC [+] {2} 
634163;1398157218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 23 @ 0.50132825 = 11.5305 BTC [-] {6} 
634164;1398157584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.029 = 0.435 BTC [-] {2} 
634165;1398157828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00099175 = 31.9344 BTC [+] {2} 
634166;1398157972;HeySteve;here is that article I mentioned: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/sorcerer-hiva-oa-paul-gauguin-available-90000-btc/2014/04/22
634167;1398158068;mircea_popescu;lol so gigaom is promoting coindesk ? oh how very surprising.
634168;1398158205;mircea_popescu;HeySteve dude wtf, 45mn seriously ?
634169;1398158212;mircea_popescu;when has gauguin ever sold for 40mn ?
634170;1398158246;mircea_popescu;http://www.artnet.com/artists/paul-gauguin/cylindre-au-christ-à-l-idole-b4sGfNf9LAv7N214A3Uq6A2
634171;1398158255;mircea_popescu;there, buy a copper dildo he made for ... 20k usd.
634172;1398158309;mircea_popescu;Te Po sold for what, half a mil or w/e
634173;1398158311;HeySteve;it's a tremendous sum
634174;1398158312;mircea_popescu;!up rabite
634175;1398158312;assbot;Voicing rabite for 30 minutes.
634176;1398158320;mircea_popescu;HeySteve it's laughable.
634177;1398158323;mircea_popescu;!up sunshyne
634178;1398158323;assbot;Voicing sunshyne for 30 minutes.
634179;1398158340;HeySteve;however, that value was estimated in one of the linked stories I believe
634180;1398158348;HeySteve;involving the NFL star's ponzi scheme
634181;1398158350;mircea_popescu;i mean i guess the idea is that bitcoiners are so fucking rich and clueless that they have no idea what's what, so they may throw 100k btc on something worth 1% of that.
634182;1398158356;mircea_popescu;god knows they've been doing it with all the ipos
634183;1398158380;mircea_popescu;HeySteve i tell you i dun see it. i estimate it to be worth in the 90-190 btc range. now what ?
634184;1398158386;HeySteve;well, I don't expect it will sell for bitcoin, more likely for USD if they get their price (which may be lower than their asking)
634185;1398158420;mircea_popescu;i'll bet you it won't sell for 40mn usd or equiv.
634186;1398158424;HeySteve;well it's worth what people will pay for it I guess.
634187;1398158436;HeySteve;heh I don't know enough about fine art to want to take that bet
634188;1398158451;HeySteve;I'm just reporting what the seller's agent told me
634189;1398158489;HeySteve;still, anything above 12 million would make it the most expensive thing offered for btc to my knowledge
634190;1398158562;mircea_popescu;HeySteve don't get me wrong, i'm not laying into you personally or anything
634191;1398158572;mircea_popescu;jus... doing the topic justice as it were.
634192;1398158684;Naphex;morning
634193;1398158686;HeySteve;sure thing, I think many people will have questions at that price especially considering the piece's history
634194;1398158691;mircea_popescu;Naphex hey
634195;1398158694;HeySteve;hi
634196;1398158792;fluffypony;I started a blog that I'm aiming to update extremely sporadically and only when I particularly feel like it
634197;1398158803;fluffypony;http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-22/
634198;1398158853;HeySteve;fluffypony I get a server not found error in FF
634199;1398158868;fluffypony;HeySteve: oh new CNAME, may not have propogated yet
634200;1398158904;fluffypony;although it is multicast so I dunno, ZA DNS providers are just slow and stupid
634201;1398159067;cazalla;loads here
634202;1398159103;mircea_popescu;HeySteve good sign your isp is an asshole.
634203;1398159110;mircea_popescu;prolly runs you through crappy local dns servers
634204;1398159148;HeySteve;given the stability of my connection, I'd say it's confirmed they are
634205;1398159173;fluffypony;HeySteve: who you with? mwub?
634206;1398159190;HeySteve;yeah fluffypony, although problem could also be on telkom side
634207;1398159211;HeySteve;mircea_popescu I found another of his oil paintings going for nearly $10 mil
634208;1398159213;fluffypony;HeySteve: when the wind blows or it rains our connection goes down, welcome to Africa
634209;1398159215;HeySteve;http://www.findartinfo.com/search/listprices.asp?keyword=17524&name=Paul-Gauguin
634210;1398159216;ozbot;Art auction result for artist Paul Gauguin. Free art prices
634211;1398159237;HeySteve;fluffypony, yep had a lightning strike and it's been erratic ever since.
634212;1398159256;HeySteve;phone call interrupts connection but only rings once, etc. very tedious.
634213;1398159295;fluffypony;we had that, and it turned out that our splitter thingy was bust, Telkom tech just replaced it
634214;1398159332;mircea_popescu;fluffypony you ever seen white cat/black cat ?
634215;1398159338;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: nope/
634216;1398159355;mircea_popescu;great somalian film. in it there's a scene where old woman can't talk on cellphone
634217;1398159376;mircea_popescu;sends daughter to water the pole (ie, pour a bucket of water at base on old wooden pole, no cables there or anything)
634218;1398159380;mircea_popescu;fixes her problem.
634219;1398159385;fluffypony;LOL
634220;1398159408;mircea_popescu;film also has interspersed scenes of a hog eating a trabant
634221;1398159413;mircea_popescu;if you know what those are.
634222;1398159434;fluffypony;like the car?
634223;1398159438;HeySteve;fluffypony, don't think it's the splitter, got a new one. think water is getting in the line somehow
634224;1398159495;mircea_popescu;yep
634225;1398159531;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: wife is East German, so I've learnt about a lot of that stuff, especially from her grandparents
634226;1398159537;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 31 @ 0.00699967 = 0.217 BTC [+] {2} 
634227;1398159554;fluffypony;her grandfather (maternal) was a professor of economics, incredibly gifted man, who is now suffering from dementia
634228;1398159589;fluffypony;it's quite sad because he'll have these flashes when we've been talking about Bitcoin where he'll understand everything and comment with incredible depth
634229;1398159597;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00024999 = 0.125 BTC [+]
634230;1398159608;fluffypony;and then five seconds later forget how to eat properly
634231;1398159659;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.519998 BTC [+]
634232;1398159662;mircea_popescu;"We would also let you know that a letter is also attached to your package. However, we cannot quote its content to you via E-mail for privacy reasons. We understand that the content of your package itself is a Bank Draft worth $800,000.00 USD; in FedEx we do not ship money in CASH or in CHEQUE but in Bank Drafts only."
634233;1398159662;mircea_popescu;logical.
634234;1398159685;mircea_popescu;fluffypony that sucks.
634235;1398159798;cazalla;how old is he fluffypony
634236;1398159819;cazalla;my opa died last year, his dementia dragged on for about 5 years
634237;1398159844;fluffypony;cazalla: 75
634238;1398159856;mircea_popescu;!up Rick__
634239;1398159856;assbot;Voicing Rick__ for 30 minutes.
634240;1398159856;fluffypony;shame that sucks
634241;1398159876;Rick__;looking for arji
634242;1398159879;cazalla;seems young, my opa was 94
634243;1398159886;Rick__;ask about my money
634244;1398159899;fluffypony;cazalla: yeah he has it quite young
634245;1398159906;mircea_popescu;;;seen arij
634246;1398159906;gribble;arij was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 10 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <arij> pLambert, yes, pm me
634247;1398159935;cazalla;according to 23andme, it's my highest risk disease too
634248;1398159941;fluffypony;:/
634249;1398159958;fluffypony;I live in fear of that
634250;1398159963;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic what's crypton do ?
634251;1398160078;cazalla;i don't tbh as i'm still relatively young and by the time i'm old, perhaps there will be a cure
634252;1398160146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 60 @ 0.00179766 = 0.1079 BTC [-] {2} 
634253;1398160174;fluffypony;cazalla: true that
634254;1398160268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00099382 = 6.3108 BTC [+] {2} 
634255;1398161000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0118 = 0.1062 BTC [-]
634256;1398161245;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0655 = 0.1965 BTC [-]
634257;1398161549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14074 @ 0.00098819 = 13.9078 BTC [-] {3} 
634258;1398161939;mircea_popescu;oh for the love of all that's holy.
634259;1398161992;mircea_popescu;so there's this romanian rap band, bug mafia. it exists since the 90s, it was one of the first in the sense someone in bitcoin since 2010 is "one of the first". they're to this day the best by a very very fat margin.
634260;1398162011;mircea_popescu;then one day i use one of their lines as a title for a post, and i get the #1 spot by morning.
634261;1398162048;mircea_popescu;google is racist, basically.
634262;1398162204;fluffypony;yeah but wouldn't your competition be lyrics sites?
634263;1398162238;mircea_popescu;they have their own official site and everything. problem is, they don't have much english support on the web, being.. you know, a romanian language band.
634264;1398162265;mircea_popescu;this would be the definition of racism : 10 units of e + 1 unit of r is more than 0e + 100 r.
634265;1398162266;fluffypony;ah
634266;1398162279;fluffypony;I wonder if your post would show up first for Romanian language results
634267;1398162304;mircea_popescu;problem is [most] everyone in romania uses english google
634268;1398162309;mircea_popescu;(and english kbds, for that matter)
634269;1398162312;fluffypony;ah
634270;1398162330;Naphex;mircea_popescu: BUG Mafia, you repping mircea?:p
634271;1398162332;fluffypony;quite unlike the Germans who won't use it if it's not in German
634272;1398162333;mircea_popescu;because w/e, romanians were liek teh first on the internet.
634273;1398162337;Naphex;always tought you a Parazitii man
634274;1398162346;mircea_popescu;fluffypony exactyly the opposite yeah
634275;1398162356;mircea_popescu;Naphex i actually like them both. which i guess is somewhat rare.
634276;1398162392;mircea_popescu;fluffypony as far as romanians are concerned, the 90s were spent going "da-i romaneasca ?" ie, does it suck ?
634277;1398162405;mircea_popescu;maybe that's starting to fade, but defo hasn't yet.
634278;1398162478;mircea_popescu;Naphex btw, this is what you've missed : http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras-tot-s-a-fumat-tot-s-a-baut-tot-cum-e-peste-tot-la-fel-ca-peste-tot/
634279;1398162501;Naphex;next year
634280;1398162521;mircea_popescu;cool
634281;1398162552;Naphex;had my own party this weekend, chilling and doing nothing at all :)
634282;1398162567;mircea_popescu;kinda rthe idea
634283;1398162595;mircea_popescu;some peeps' first encounter of the proper european lunch, where you spend a few good hours with your food.
634284;1398162647;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 924 @ 0.000135 = 0.1247 BTC [+]
634285;1398162666;fluffypony;it's the only way to eat
634286;1398162702;fluffypony;it should almost blend into supper time, so you top it off towards the evening without needing to eat an entire other meal
634287;1398162735;mircea_popescu;either that or move to drinking.
634288;1398162766;fluffypony;yep
634289;1398162895;mircea_popescu;a btw, to bother everyone : local isp just unveiled its easter surprise w/e.
634290;1398162900;mircea_popescu;200mbps. 19euro.
634291;1398162918;bounce;glass? symmetric?
634292;1398162932;mircea_popescu;glass yeah. no, you get like 1/8 that ul.
634293;1398162954;mircea_popescu;you can get it symmetric, but it's not really useful or needed for most end users.
634294;1398162981;Naphex;mircea_popescu:  in oradea Tesari/RDS has Fiberlink 1G/s at 59RON
634295;1398162988;Naphex;~16USD
634296;1398162998;mircea_popescu;AND they will layer it for you. you can get 1tbps both ways in this country, and it won't break your bank.
634297;1398163005;fluffypony;jealous.
634298;1398163011;mircea_popescu;Naphex lol
634299;1398163023;*;fluffypony looks at his 4mbps connection currently syncing at 2.4mbps
634300;1398163040;mircea_popescu;fluffypony yeah. ppl are liek... "how come romania?!?!" and i'm like... dude, how long you got ?
634301;1398163053;fluffypony;heh
634302;1398163163;mircea_popescu;Naphex oradea is like rds homebase is it ?
634303;1398163170;Naphex;yep
634304;1398163180;mircea_popescu;better juice closer to the plant :D
634305;1398163180;Naphex;it started here, with TVS (The TV network)
634306;1398163205;mircea_popescu;actually upc arguably started as astral, which you know... got started by the father of a chick i was doing back in hs
634307;1398163207;mircea_popescu;he hated me.
634308;1398163238;Naphex;hehe
634309;1398163248;bounce;it doesn't really make sense to throttle the uplink on glass, though. it's likely just throttled gigabit.
634310;1398163253;Naphex;is there no RDS in TM?:)
634311;1398163263;bounce;good for the gamer kids though, "low ping"
634312;1398163265;mircea_popescu;Naphex sure there is.
634313;1398163275;mircea_popescu;bounce they save on gear upstream is all.
634314;1398163290;mircea_popescu;see, for instance, the whole town is full of fiber spools hanging from poles
634315;1398163296;mircea_popescu;because rather than buy the cutter they just don't cut it.
634316;1398163305;mircea_popescu;spool it up, stick it in the box.
634317;1398163360;bounce;like you're ever going to take it out and put it somewhere else. even so, throttling the uplink doesn't really buy you much of anything, hardware wise
634318;1398163379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00098533 = 7.8826 BTC [-]
634319;1398163384;mircea_popescu;no, but it does bw wise.
634320;1398163406;mircea_popescu;romania could, on the basis of end user installed gateways, nuke the rest of hte planet off the internet
634321;1398163410;mircea_popescu;and... it would.
634322;1398163442;Naphex;its true :)
634323;1398163446;mircea_popescu;just imagine you have something like 10mn customers doing 1gbit uplink each
634324;1398163451;mircea_popescu;and now find me a peer that'll relay this.
634325;1398163454;bounce;depends on how the transit agreements work. some places actually liked generating more bandwidth "the other way", as it pushed the balance a bit more towards evening out
634326;1398163605;mircea_popescu;so basically, if they actually allowed the uplink they'd have to have a filtering datacenter.
634327;1398163609;mircea_popescu;cheaper this way.
634328;1398163638;mircea_popescu;(and even if it isn't, i'm pretty sure that's their rationale)
634329;1398163892;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete you're #10 on a google search for "bitcoin pete". while your twitter acct is #1.
634330;1398163892;gribble;The operation succeeded.
634331;1398163912;mircea_popescu;google is racist : it will push profiles in twitter BUT NOT facebook. it will push wikipedia articles.
634332;1398163923;mircea_popescu;basically it has a shortlist of websites that it gives preferential treatment to.
634333;1398163928;mircea_popescu;curious how long till the lolsuit.
634334;1398163937;Naphex;they have been doing that for ages
634335;1398163943;Naphex;twinking PageRank for domains
634336;1398163955;Naphex;that that product split with Google Now / Google
634337;1398163968;Naphex;then they merged together in the current version, which will always have preferential PageRank
634338;1398163978;mircea_popescu;Naphex but see, that's the snag : they used to do it as a per-domain page rank thing.
634339;1398163981;mircea_popescu;meanwhile they took that out,
634340;1398163996;mircea_popescu;and simply replaced with a handwritten list, either our friends or everyone else.
634341;1398164018;Naphex;yep you get filtered down and placed in a bubble
634342;1398164406;mircea_popescu;benkay`:
634343;1398164407;mircea_popescu;not i, not this year. i took some gents with whom i work up to the mountain for 4 days of drinking and talking about what the ever loving fuck we want to do for the next 3-7 years. << so you had brosex.
634344;1398164476;mircea_popescu;"Bringing Cryptocurrency To Women Worldwide, CryptoMoms.com Launches" ahaha how fucktarded can you get.
634345;1398164485;mircea_popescu;the better women aren't moms, yo.
634346;1398164624;mircea_popescu;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=100 << bash #100. qft.
634347;1398164800;mircea_popescu;HeySteve: I was a seller there, it's unfortunate there's no way to migrate feedback from shuttered markets... << which is why wot.
634348;1398164861;mircea_popescu;dexX7: bci allows to push signed transactions but no signing << there's a reason for this. you shoulodn't be providing privkeys.
634349;1398164887;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yeah that's exactly what I said
634350;1398164894;mircea_popescu;yeah i see
634351;1398164918;fluffypony;although tbh I don't know why sites like that and BTCJam etc. don't just integrate with the WoT
634352;1398164934;fluffypony;instead of reinventing the wheel (and doing so badly)
634353;1398164965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 58 @ 0.00743106 = 0.431 BTC [+] {2} 
634354;1398165020;HeySteve;mircea_popescu, quite so. I spoke to nanotube about integrating WoT with a cryptocurrency
634355;1398165026;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 24 @ 0.00750003 = 0.18 BTC [+] {2} 
634356;1398165049;mircea_popescu;HeySteve i don't follow ? the wot is integrated with any cryptocurrency as it is. i can and have rated people for say... atc deals.
634357;1398165062;mircea_popescu;fluffypony because idiocy.
634358;1398165073;HeySteve;sure, but putting the identity and associated ratings into a blockchain
634359;1398165090;HeySteve;been working on this for a while
634360;1398165098;mircea_popescu;fluffypony and in the case of btcjam, because they know they're running a scam platform. it'd make no sense to take any steps that make this more obvious than it actually is.
634361;1398165132;mircea_popescu;HeySteve so like a sort of a db backup maintained distributedly ?
634362;1398165146;HeySteve;yep that's it
634363;1398165165;mircea_popescu;i know nanotube was working on a wot 2.0 that'd be distributed and not depend on him
634364;1398165172;mircea_popescu;seeing how he's all old and frail and will eventually go.
634365;1398165179;HeySteve;and associating costs with establishing an identity and rating people may improve the system slightly
634366;1398165193;HeySteve;I have a further idea to incentivise non-scammy behaviour too
634367;1398165202;mircea_popescu;no.
634368;1398165207;mircea_popescu;incentives do not belong in the wot.
634369;1398165212;mircea_popescu;gotta keep it separated
634370;1398165252;HeySteve;hmm, why do you say that?
634371;1398165300;mircea_popescu;why do i say what ?!
634372;1398165313;HeySteve;<+mircea_popescu> incentives do not belong in the wot.
634373;1398165354;mircea_popescu;because the wot is the measure of how people respond to incentives, it makes no sense to change its neutrality to add incentives for particular responses.
634374;1398165365;Apocalyptic;can't agree more
634375;1398165423;HeySteve;ah. well as I see it, bad behaviour leads to negative rep which makes future trades less likely and the inverse is true. that's how I use the term incentives.
634376;1398165435;mircea_popescu;that's exactly how it works now.
634377;1398165451;HeySteve;right, but my idea is to augment that
634378;1398165515;mircea_popescu;let me make this point clearer through an example. suppose i go to a village in somalia. this village has 100 people and they're all normal people, they do good and bad things by w/e definition of good and bad.
634379;1398165530;mircea_popescu;i own more money than the entire village is worth, a million times over.
634380;1398165564;mircea_popescu;so i say to these people : each day you only do good deeds, you will receive your average yearly income. but for every bad deed you do, you get fined x% of that.
634381;1398165577;mircea_popescu;now, this obviously will make everyone do nothing but good deeds (presuming rational actors),
634382;1398165585;mircea_popescu;but it will also make it impossible for women to pick mates.
634383;1398165596;mircea_popescu;because... well... what the fuck, everyone's doing good deeds whether they're good men or not.
634384;1398165608;mircea_popescu;and so through incentivising good behaviour i managed to... break the wot.
634385;1398165615;mircea_popescu;once i leave that village is fucked.
634386;1398165622;mircea_popescu;and now you also understand why western aid ruins africa.
634387;1398165661;fluffypony;incentivised ratings also opens the incentives themselves to Sybil attacks, no?
634388;1398165688;mircea_popescu;exactly.
634389;1398165723;fluffypony;all I need to do is create a number of fake actors and claim they only did good deeds today (each fake actor supporting the other) and I receive average yearly income * the number of fake actors I've created
634390;1398165793;HeySteve;sure, but in the WoT there is no cost to create sockpuppets
634391;1398165803;mircea_popescu;exactly.
634392;1398165819;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.52420746 = 26.2104 BTC [+] {11} 
634393;1398165833;HeySteve;right, to register an identity within this system there would be a BTC cost
634394;1398165836;fluffypony;HeySteve: yes
634395;1398165844;fluffypony;but spotting the sockpuppets is easy
634396;1398165854;mircea_popescu;HeySteve this counterintuitively makes your system weaker.
634397;1398165861;fluffypony;HeySteve: http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
634398;1398165873;mircea_popescu;because the cost is not a discouragement to the sybil, if it has a way to turn a profit
634399;1398165876;fluffypony;followed by: http://trilema.com/2014/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself/
634400;1398165878;mircea_popescu;but it IS a discouragement to the legit members.
634401;1398165887;HeySteve;fluffypony I have studied that article in some depth
634402;1398165888;mircea_popescu;and so through adding a cost you're actually skewing it towards scammers.
634403;1398165916;mircea_popescu;this is much ampler discussed in this older article : http://trilema.com/2012/adnotated-words-of-wisdom-on-the-topic-of-online-fraud/
634404;1398165921;HeySteve;well, I want to make the signup cost vastly more expensive than the cost of earning rep through good behaviour
634405;1398165943;fluffypony;so then you're chasing away legitimate users
634406;1398165945;mircea_popescu;this does not speak to the problem.
634407;1398165961;fluffypony;I won't pay to use the system when there's a perfectly good free one I'm already on :-P
634408;1398165985;HeySteve;heh well, I hope we can satisfy such concerns and build something useful
634409;1398166016;HeySteve;appreciate discussing it with people who understand the WoT in depth
634410;1398166016;mircea_popescu;HeySteve understand tho : this is not quite unlike solid state physics, or radioastronomy.
634411;1398166045;mircea_popescu;i can respect your desire to build a better process for refining hahnium, or for resolving doppler aberrations in telescopy.
634412;1398166056;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, these are not tasks of the same nature as mowing the lawn.
634413;1398166068;Naphex;while we're talking incetives, any opinion on a good referral system for bitcoin exchange users?
634414;1398166110;mircea_popescu;Naphex referrals markets is a TOTAL mess in btc.
634415;1398166115;fluffypony;Naphex: what do you mean? like an affiliate-style system?
634416;1398166118;mircea_popescu;bitbet has a very sweet one, and it's barely used.
634417;1398166129;mircea_popescu;that's actually one major thing to do. yo fluffypony what did you do for a living ? or cazalla ?
634418;1398166144;Naphex;some customers keep asking for one
634419;1398166176;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: one of the directors of a small group of companies, of which OpenRigs is a part
634420;1398166177;Naphex;more like just rewarding users for inviting other users
634421;1398166199;mircea_popescu;someone with 10 years as an aff manager has to make fucking bitcoin clickbank
634422;1398166204;fluffypony;agreed
634423;1398166214;*;fluffypony puts it on his list of future projects
634424;1398166216;mircea_popescu;affiliate advertising is going to be major in this space, and currently it's way the fuck nowhere.
634425;1398166368;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52898999 BTC [+]
634426;1398166392;Naphex;well i was just thinking, rewarding inviters with 0.0001 upon each withdrawal by an invitee
634427;1398166398;Naphex;some incentive there o.o
634428;1398166425;fluffypony;Naphex: I've seen some REALLY good affiliate systems that do very small lifetime rewards
634429;1398166449;fluffypony;eg. for every referred customer you get 2% of their fees forever
634430;1398166467;Naphex;along the lines where i was thinking:P
634431;1398166468;fluffypony;small enough that the guy referring one or two customers won't care
634432;1398166472;Naphex;but we run 0% comission soooo :)
634433;1398166475;fluffypony;but at scale it's amazing
634434;1398166475;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
634435;1398166488;fluffypony;Naphex: so your fees are withdrawal only, no trade fees?
634436;1398166505;Naphex;no trade fees, some fees at withdrawal fiats, and 0.0001 at BTC withdrawal
634437;1398166520;Naphex;fees for fiat withdrawal are basic bank fees
634438;1398166561;fluffypony;are you priming the system to attract an audience before raising fees, or are you just very altruistic company?
634439;1398166563;fluffypony;:-P
634440;1398166566;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you there ?
634441;1398166577;Naphex;fluffypony: we are raising fees at some point
634442;1398166635;fluffypony;Naphex: it's going to be tough to incentivise affiliates without that, rock and a hard place scenario
634443;1398166669;HeySteve;perhaps I'm being thick but I don't see how http://trilema.com/2012/adnotated-words-of-wisdom-on-the-topic-of-online-fraud/ applies to blockchain WoT. Nigerians pic made me lol though
634444;1398166673;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 265 @ 0.00084295 = 0.2234 BTC [+]
634445;1398166685;mircea_popescu;HeySteve it applies to the problem of putting a cost on the user.
634446;1398166695;mircea_popescu;fluffypony the romanian expression is "suntem pe investitii"
634447;1398166704;Naphex;:))
634448;1398166727;HeySteve;well, in terms of WoT there is a time cost to registration with gribble
634449;1398166729;mircea_popescu;to translate this, some history : romania was a communist country. to get it on a capitalist system, anyone not fucktarded enough was simply given money, from the state.
634450;1398166731;mircea_popescu;yes, just like that.
634451;1398166743;mircea_popescu;if you had any sort of a clue and could talk the talk of business, you just got money.
634452;1398166758;mircea_popescu;exactly the way i handle btc, incidentally. just don't sound like the lumpens and you'll be okay.
634453;1398166783;mircea_popescu;this resulted in all the moral hazard you might expect, but also into the most fiscally stable country in europe, and with stores of physical gold per capita well above everyone else
634454;1398166813;mircea_popescu;one of the edge cases of that moral hazard were idiot "business men" who thought they actually have a clue, but in fact were products of a fortunate environment like that.
634455;1398166823;mircea_popescu;notably, some of these magnates "invested" in media.
634456;1398166849;mircea_popescu;their investments fared about as well as neobee's, a few degrees of magnitude larger.
634457;1398166869;mircea_popescu;one of the best examples is a fellow known as varanul, ie dan voiculescu
634458;1398166884;Naphex;hehe
634459;1398166910;mircea_popescu;this schmuck was given something to the tune of a few bn usd, and ten years later he had to have a very embarassing 100mn sent to him in the middle of the electoral campaign,
634460;1398166914;mircea_popescu;because he was out of fucking money.
634461;1398166934;mircea_popescu;think about it, you give a schmuck 1bn and legal immunity, you'd fucking expect he can pay you 100mn a year for the rest of all eternity.
634462;1398166937;mircea_popescu;not this guy tho.
634463;1398166943;mircea_popescu;and not the only example, either.
634464;1398166976;mircea_popescu;and hence, the "suntem pe investitii" expression, which is what said idiots said about their media "empires", for 3-4 years
634465;1398166983;mircea_popescu;"we're in investment mode"
634466;1398167024;fluffypony;crazy
634467;1398167030;mircea_popescu;then suddenly they ran out of money, the bottom fell out of the market, and the 20-30k or so idiots who really thought there can exist such a thing as a "career in media" upon the basis of which they could like... take bank loans and buy houses and cars
634468;1398167042;mircea_popescu;discovered they have to suck my cock for a soup each day they wish to eat a soup.
634469;1398167056;fluffypony;sounds like that 17 year old "CEO" from the other day
634470;1398167073;mircea_popescu;not so far off. one of the schmucks made petrom, which is exactly copied after bp
634471;1398167075;mircea_popescu;even to the logo.
634472;1398167120;dexX7;<mircea_popescu> someone with 10 years as an aff manager has to make fucking bitcoin clickbank < what is a clickbank?
634473;1398167131;mircea_popescu;rompetrol im sorry not petrom
634474;1398167132;Naphex;which got sold off tooo OMV in early 2006
634475;1398167132;fluffypony;dexX7: affiliate marketplace, basically
634476;1398167144;mircea_popescu;dexX7 this is where we google ?
634477;1398167162;mircea_popescu;Naphex check that shit out, they evenb have the entire coin* bit* issue going
634478;1398167172;mircea_popescu;im confusing rompetrol and petrom like i'd confuse bitfuck and fuckcoin
634479;1398167177;dexX7;oh i assumed you made this word up
634480;1398167210;mircea_popescu;anyway. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/66/ROMPETROL.png << rompetrol ; http://www.edmundburkeinstitute.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Bp.jpg << bp
634481;1398167258;fluffypony;lol
634482;1398167450;mircea_popescu;anyway, to close that up : perhaps the most lucid of thoise 20-30k idiots is a fellow named cristi parvan. this guy http://www.parvan.ro/
634483;1398167543;mircea_popescu;si pentru cine cunoaste, http://trilema.com/2011/particip-la-ronewmedia-60/#comment-99026
634484;1398167755;Naphex;i never read blogs, or cared much about them
634485;1398167765;Naphex;where are you pulling this guys out of O.o
634486;1398167765;Naphex;:D
634487;1398167787;mircea_popescu;you see, i had an intel department for years before i found bitcoin
634488;1398167812;mircea_popescu;overnight success is the result of fortunate coincidences like that.
634489;1398167814;mircea_popescu;!up hansi001
634490;1398167814;assbot;Voicing hansi001 for 30 minutes.
634491;1398167936;Naphex;mircea_popescu:  running intel on what?:p
634492;1398167951;mircea_popescu;well yes.
634493;1398168133;mircea_popescu;<HeySteve> well, in terms of WoT there is a time cost to registration with gribble << more like an intellectual cost. this is good, because idiots don't manage to figure out how to do it, which serves us and them.
634494;1398168147;mircea_popescu;replacing that with a financial cost only works if you live in a functioning market economy,
634495;1398168159;mircea_popescu;which is an economy in which the government accounts for 1% or less of the gdp
634496;1398168338;mircea_popescu;!up awrelll
634497;1398168338;assbot;Voicing awrelll for 30 minutes.
634498;1398168362;HeySteve;I hear what you're saying about the IQ barrier of GPG. we don't aim to replace that, only add to it
634499;1398168364;awrelll;FixmypcRO here
634500;1398168379;mircea_popescu;aha. so tell me about your aff manager experience.
634501;1398168503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00098645 = 12.8239 BTC [+]
634502;1398168570;mircea_popescu;awrelll mircea_popescu> aha. so tell me about your aff manager experience. << this was for you.
634503;1398168596;davout;hi all
634504;1398168611;kakobrekla;heya
634505;1398168629;fluffypony;davout: bonjour
634506;1398168639;HeySteve;hello
634507;1398168676;Naphex;hey
634508;1398168701;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: home safe?
634509;1398168723;davout;Naphex: i was a little disappointed to not see you in timisoara
634510;1398168744;Naphex;davout:  i would've come but it was all out of VIP tickets
634511;1398168746;Naphex;hehe
634512;1398168756;Naphex;its only a 1.30 -> 2h drive to there
634513;1398168758;Naphex;but next year
634514;1398168768;awrelll;salut, nu am inteles foarte clar ce anume cauti, eram interesat de o colaborare in caz ca sunt potrivit
634515;1398168772;davout;next year might be quite a longer drive :-)
634516;1398168808;mircea_popescu;awrelll you speak english ?
634517;1398168819;awrelll;i do
634518;1398168828;mircea_popescu;cool. so. tell me about your experience as an affiliate manager.
634519;1398168882;Naphex;bit of a stage fright there i figure
634520;1398168930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4462 @ 0.00098645 = 4.4015 BTC [+]
634521;1398168939;awrelll;i am not sure if i qualify, i wanted to know more about this, sorry if i am wasting your time
634522;1398168950;ThickAsThieves;hello folks
634523;1398168956;Naphex;hey o/
634524;1398168957;davout;ThickAsThieves: hi
634525;1398168958;mircea_popescu;well basically the idea is i need someone with significant experience.
634526;1398168962;ThickAsThieves;i've got some catching up to do
634527;1398168973;mircea_popescu;jesus they voice everyone in here these days. ThickAsThieves when did you get out!
634528;1398169055;ThickAsThieves;just woke up after catching up on personal life and sleep
634529;1398169066;ThickAsThieves;<+fluffypony> ThickAsThieves: home safe? /// i think the airport gifted me a cold
634530;1398169079;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: that's the worst :/
634531;1398169080;ThickAsThieves;we'll see if it takes full form
634532;1398169086;mircea_popescu;mpoe-pr got one too.
634533;1398169086;ThickAsThieves;for now just an itchy nose
634534;1398169296;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0659989 = 0.132 BTC [+]
634535;1398169349;Naphex;so how'd you guys enjoy Romania?:)
634536;1398169389;davout;Naphex: Romania is very nice
634537;1398169418;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06434114 = 0.193 BTC [-]
634538;1398169419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [-]
634539;1398169422;Naphex;did mircea take you out to see the vampires and cheeky girls ?:)
634540;1398169528;ThickAsThieves;Romania was enjoyable
634541;1398169536;ThickAsThieves;pretty, walkable
634542;1398169540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52 = 1.04 BTC [-]
634543;1398169550;ThickAsThieves;no vamps tho
634544;1398169601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52 = 1.04 BTC [-] {2} 
634545;1398169602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6374 @ 0.00098529 = 6.2802 BTC [-] {2} 
634546;1398169662;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.52892571 = 3.7025 BTC [+] {2} 
634547;1398169683;ThickAsThieves;;;rate davout 3 bitcoin-central, puts the french back in the fries
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634549;1398169720;ThickAsThieves;;;rate kakobrekla 3 pumps the #bitcoin-assets blood, bitbet
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634551;1398169769;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: no vamps tho << should've gone with me on expedition at night. i flushed out the wild dog packs that i -knew- existed.
634552;1398169782;ThickAsThieves;;;rate asciilifeform 3 makes stuff for No Such lAbs, intellectual and storyteller
634553;1398169783;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.
634554;1398169833;davout;asciilifeform: did they accept you as their new leader?
634555;1398169856;mircea_popescu;lol
634556;1398169871;asciilifeform;davout: i was too big. they were all little beagles, other miniature animals
634557;1398169895;davout;asciilifeform: it's not the size, it's the smell that counts :D
634558;1398169937;asciilifeform;funny these beasts - the dogs 900km east, of my childhood, were active in the day.
634559;1398169973;ThickAsThieves;;;rate mircea_popescu 3 MPEx and other businesses, a most reliable voice of reason
634560;1398169974;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 3.
634561;1398170014;asciilifeform;other phun phact - the weirdo allergies i suffered since 1995 shut off like a light bulb when i landed in Ro.
634562;1398170037;asciilifeform;me sorry carcass hates teh 'new world.'
634563;1398170041;mircea_popescu;most us allergies are allergies to the us.
634564;1398170058;asciilifeform;i suspected that this was literally true, for my own case
634565;1398170061;asciilifeform;now, know.
634566;1398170084;ThickAsThieves;;;rate mike_c 3 Making cool stuff yet to be seen by the masses, ATC supporter
634567;1398170085;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user mike_c has been recorded.
634568;1398170093;mircea_popescu;i just wonder if large scale gmo will also yield some mutant hay fevers
634569;1398170105;mircea_popescu;maybe you can get bubonic hay fever
634570;1398170137;asciilifeform;whatever the crud is, it gives me problems year round here.
634571;1398170150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.52979 = 5.2979 BTC [+] {2} 
634572;1398170161;mircea_popescu;a nerdier man would have brought home air samples.
634573;1398170168;mircea_popescu;spectrometry ftw!
634574;1398170172;mircea_popescu;!up rammy2k2
634575;1398170172;assbot;Voicing rammy2k2 for 30 minutes.
634576;1398170177;rammy2k2;hey
634577;1398170180;rammy2k2;salut mircea_popescu
634578;1398170183;rammy2k2;:)
634579;1398170186;mircea_popescu;hi.
634580;1398170199;davout;"a nerdier man would have brought home air samples." <<< lmao
634581;1398170226;mircea_popescu;davout im kinda curious what the difference'd be.
634582;1398170232;asciilifeform;lol, could be something more interesting (washington too close to equator by x km; magnetic field crapolade; etc)
634583;1398170240;mircea_popescu;course you need a pretty large air sample to get anything usable at the ppb range
634584;1398170256;mircea_popescu;;;google washington dc latitude
634585;1398170256;gribble;Latitude and Longitude of U.S. and Canadian Cities | Infoplease.com: <http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001796.html>; 107 World cities by latitude: Things line up in surprising ways: <http://www.priceoftravel.com/1063/107-world-cities-by-latitude-things-line-up-in-surprising-ways/>; List of cities by latitude - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)
634586;1398170297;davout;mircea_popescu: the air sample thing kinda contradicts the discussion about how some stuff could be developed to work only in certain places, maybe that's the case for allergies too
634587;1398170298;mircea_popescu;38 5377 02 vs 45.7597° N, 21.2300° E
634588;1398170308;asciilifeform;hell knows, maybe i need 50hz mains hum instead of 60.
634589;1398170314;asciilifeform;that's the problem with systems.
634590;1398170328;mircea_popescu;but that wouldn't reallhy be an allergy.
634591;1398170331;mircea_popescu;kinda need a protein
634592;1398170344;davout;asciilifeform: just be pragmatic, move to romania, there's this beagles pack that patiently awaits its master's return
634593;1398170362;ThickAsThieves;;;rate jurov 3 CoinBr, Coinroll, helped me transfer shares at times, kept me safe during a Bitfunder scare
634594;1398170364;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 1 to 3.
634595;1398170364;asciilifeform;lul, me canine army awaits.
634596;1398170365;mircea_popescu;rammy2k2 you speak english ?
634597;1398170375;rammy2k2;for shizzle
634598;1398170383;rammy2k2;sure
634599;1398170384;mircea_popescu;cool. so tell me about your aff manager experience ?
634600;1398170385;asciilifeform;;;rate jurov 1 live human!!
634601;1398170385;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
634602;1398170404;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gribble had a glitch so it went offline so it lost auth sessions
634603;1398170418;rammy2k2;well, i've been working in adult industry for some years, affiliates , dunno if it applies on what u need, but i was curious :)
634604;1398170420;ThickAsThieves;is wao's handle wao?
634605;1398170438;mircea_popescu;rammy2k2 adult works. who've youy been working for ?
634606;1398170440;asciilifeform;;;gpg eauth asciilifeform
634607;1398170440;gribble;Request successful for user asciilifeform, hostmask asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-246-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B98228A001ABFFC7
634608;1398170457;Naphex;rammy2k2:  you run bitcoin-romania.ro forum? right same rammy?
634609;1398170466;rammy2k2;Naphex: yes :)
634610;1398170469;rammy2k2;i try to
634611;1398170470;rammy2k2;:P
634612;1398170471;Naphex;hey o/
634613;1398170474;rammy2k2;\o
634614;1398170478;Naphex;get SSL working in that :)
634615;1398170484;asciilifeform;;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:be89bf44d68bee3cb3c28e4fe995f38c33062d50324afe88a6a293b4
634616;1398170485;gribble;You are now authenticated for user asciilifeform with key B98228A001ABFFC7
634617;1398170488;asciilifeform;;;rate jurov 1 live human!!
634618;1398170490;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jurov has been recorded.
634619;1398170491;mircea_popescu;i guess you two have some business to conduct ? :D
634620;1398170505;rammy2k2;mircea_popescu: streamate, money tree, chaturbate
634621;1398170518;mircea_popescu;rammy2k2 when, for how long, gimme some highlightds
634622;1398170532;asciilifeform;;;rate mike_c 3 live human, cellular automata, jolly good fellow
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634624;1398170559;rammy2k2;mircea_popescu: i quitted adult like 1 year ago, since i got seriously into this disease called crypto
634625;1398170566;rammy2k2;worked for like 5 years
634626;1398170574;mircea_popescu;rammy2k2 when you started adult is more interesting. who were you on gfy ?
634627;1398170583;rammy2k2;yes
634628;1398170585;rammy2k2;still am
634629;1398170586;rammy2k2;:)
634630;1398170590;mircea_popescu;who ?
634631;1398170592;mircea_popescu;same handle ?
634632;1398170592;Duffer1;hello
634633;1398170594;rammy2k2;seXXXhub
634634;1398170599;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 hey
634635;1398170603;asciilifeform;;;rate ThickAsThieves 3 live human, ate synthetic food, jolly good fella
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634637;1398170626;rammy2k2;had some troubles with zombaio, but who didnt ? :))
634638;1398170638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0659989 = 0.132 BTC [+]
634639;1398170680;mircea_popescu;rammy2k2 to be clear, were you working as an affiliate manager for any of these programs you mentioned, or simply used them as an affiliate ?
634640;1398170680;rammy2k2;Naphex: are u on my forum ? :)
634641;1398170692;rammy2k2;oh, simply used them
634642;1398170728;mircea_popescu;myeah.
634643;1398170781;rammy2k2;in what area u need stuff to be done ?
634644;1398170811;mircea_popescu;in the area where someone with 10 years' experience being an aff manager, and whom i can verify worked with programs i know and delivered results, is looking to start a biz.
634645;1398170824;mircea_popescu;you're not that guy, you're some guy that joined gfy in 2011.
634646;1398170824;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sends daughter to water the pole (ie, pour a bucket of water at base on old wooden pole, no cables there or anything) << engineers call this 'Kansas phone problem' :
634647;1398170831;asciilifeform;http://web.eecs.umich.edu/~fessler/misc/funny/piss-moan
634648;1398170856;rammy2k2;mircea_popescu: yea, i guess i aint :)
634649;1398170861;mircea_popescu;:p
634650;1398170879;rammy2k2;ill idle around here if thats ok , i have a feeling we can have some nice chats
634651;1398170889;mircea_popescu;read the logs while at it.
634652;1398170904;rammy2k2;how many bots around here ?
634653;1398170909;fluffypony;way too many
634654;1398170911;fluffypony;<- bot
634655;1398170913;rammy2k2;:))
634656;1398170916;mircea_popescu;lol. like 3
634657;1398170916;fluffypony;just a reasonably intelligent one
634658;1398170927;rammy2k2;cool, i always apreciate AI
634659;1398170981;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: spectrometer << the one fellow who did get a little thorough arsework in the queue at Dulles with me, did in fact pack one!
634660;1398171083;asciilifeform;phun phact: as a student, i once seriously planned to build a pocket gas chromatographer, to pick up gurlz. how!? to do this - exercise for alert reader.
634661;1398171084;asciilifeform;hint:
634662;1398171097;asciilifeform;;;google histocompatibility sweat
634663;1398171098;gribble;Major histocompatibility complex and sexual selection - Wikipedia ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_histocompatibility_complex_and_sexual_selection>; Major histocompatibility complex genes, symmetry, and body scent ...: <http://www.oxfordjournals.org/page/5003/18>; MHC genes, body odours, and odour preferences: <http://ndt.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/9/1269.full>
634664;1398171178;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought you were just gonna check if they're ovulating
634665;1398171192;Naphex;hey so who was running bitcoincharts?
634666;1398171206;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the point of carrying minesweeper isn't usually so you can jump on the best mine.
634667;1398171210;mircea_popescu;tcatm
634668;1398171217;Naphex;;;seen tcatm
634669;1398171218;gribble;I have not seen tcatm.
634670;1398171222;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform where's your sense of adventure.
634671;1398171229;mircea_popescu;;;rated tcatm
634672;1398171229;gribble;You rated user tcatm on Tue Feb 28 12:40:39 2012, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: bitcoincharts fellow, sold me adspace..
634673;1398171231;asciilifeform;and see, if i had this in me pocket, could've found which of the twelve beagles would relay orders to my canine empire.
634674;1398171233;mircea_popescu;that guy
634675;1398171262;fluffypony;asciilifeform: so like this http://vimeo.com/31688625
634676;1398171314;asciilifeform;no, this
634677;1398171316;asciilifeform;http://discovermagazine.com/1996/feb/scentofaman699
634678;1398171318;ozbot;Scent of a Man | DiscoverMagazine.com
634679;1398171318;asciilifeform;etc
634680;1398171425;asciilifeform;it was a good job that my net worth was a few zeroes short of actually building this bugger then.
634681;1398171429;davout;;;rate tcatm 1 bitcoincharts, been around a while
634682;1398171430;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user tcatm has been recorded.
634683;1398171437;asciilifeform;because the device ended up working -without being built-
634684;1398171455;mircea_popescu;i know right ? i can taste it on them if we're compatible too
634685;1398171459;mircea_popescu;no need for test gear.
634686;1398171476;asciilifeform;how: the creature i now keep as a pet was intrigued by the idea, when we met.
634687;1398171515;mircea_popescu;(says stan from within his carry on cage)
634688;1398171520;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you're Carl Wilhelm Scheele, we knew.
634689;1398171548;asciilifeform;chemist hero who tasted everything he made
634690;1398171563;mircea_popescu;http://www.siliconhell.com/Images/humour/CatCarrier.jpg everyone has seen this i trust ?
634691;1398171583;davout;mircea_popescu: LOL
634692;1398171599;mircea_popescu;speaking of "Testing everything", my fav robotzi episode of all time :
634693;1398171602;*;asciilifeform spilled
634694;1398171618;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/embed/4z0WmWUT2rM
634695;1398171618;ozbot;RObotzi.S03.Ep13.Sugstanta - YouTube
634696;1398171719;asciilifeform;'...a detection unit contains three concealed cartridges, each of which houses eight mice. During their 4-hour shifts in the detector, the mice mill about in a common area in each cartridge as air is passed over people paused in the archway and through the cartridge...'
634697;1398171725;asciilifeform;http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20927985.700-sniffer-mice-have-a-nose-for-explosives.html
634698;1398171728;ozbot;Sniffer mice have a nose for explosives - tech - 03 February 2011 - New Scientist
634699;1398171780;asciilifeform;i like to imagine that certain people are destined to end up in cartridges
634700;1398171841;davout;on an unrelated note : "Romanians, not so peaceful after all" -> http://i.imgur.com/nHTqQkA.jpg
634701;1398171883;asciilifeform;speaking of which, does any in the pile of MIGs at TSR airport actually start?
634702;1398171920;asciilifeform;(finding where they sit - exercise for alert reader)
634703;1398171965;mircea_popescu;davout no ak47 :p
634704;1398171986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform those migs not anymore, because they've been gutted for parts.
634705;1398171997;asciilifeform;good, might be for sale then!
634706;1398171998;asciilifeform;lust.
634707;1398172014;ThickAsThieves;Vault of Satoshi now allows real-time auditing it seems
634708;1398172030;asciilifeform;washington airport muppetron: 'sir, anything to declare?' me: well, just this...
634709;1398172030;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: yeah noticed that
634710;1398172032;fluffypony;quite nifty
634711;1398172083;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves bitbet model ? published addresses, you can traverse chain at your leisure ?
634712;1398172106;Naphex;i think they just published their cold wallet
634713;1398172109;HeySteve;that robotzi show has cool animation, reminds me of this: http://amanita-design.net/games/machinarium.html
634714;1398172122;mircea_popescu;HeySteve yeah very competent team there.
634715;1398172138;fluffypony;Naphex: yep, no hot wallet details "for sekuritee"
634716;1398172154;mircea_popescu;o hey look at that, sorta dott. HeySteve is it released ?
634717;1398172174;mircea_popescu;Naphex so basically what is it, an address with a sum that signed a message ?
634718;1398172179;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yep for quite a while, great game
634719;1398172181;HeySteve;yep, I think I finished that one
634720;1398172199;fluffypony;played the iPad one for hours figuring stuff ou
634721;1398172199;Naphex;mircea_popescu: they just made public their cold wallet, so people can check they have the funds
634722;1398172200;fluffypony;*out
634723;1398172205;Naphex;that it as far as i know
634724;1398172212;mircea_popescu;but.... maybe they made public MY cold wallet ?
634725;1398172220;ThickAsThieves;<+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves bitbet model ? published addresses, you can traverse chain at your leisure ? /// You can verify cold wallet and your own personal balance. You cannot verify hot wallet though ("security reasons").
634726;1398172226;asciilifeform;right, we can all write this kind of 'vault'
634727;1398172227;Naphex;yeah, don't think they signed it yet
634728;1398172236;mircea_popescu;well in that case they did exactly nothing ?
634729;1398172252;ThickAsThieves;they didnt sign it
634730;1398172254;ThickAsThieves;?
634731;1398172264;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood you brought the news. i was askin'
634732;1398172267;Naphex;people can check what balance 'their' cold-wallet has, rawr rawr, everybody's auditing
634733;1398172270;Naphex;:P
634734;1398172271;mircea_popescu;tryin to keep up with all the innovative innovations
634735;1398172287;ThickAsThieves;trouble is you can only see this if you have an account
634736;1398172291;ThickAsThieves;i do not plan to make one
634737;1398172317;mircea_popescu;it's almost as if thery go to a dedicated university to be stupid, these people.
634738;1398172346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00098446 = 26.925 BTC [-] {2} 
634739;1398172347;mircea_popescu;this has to be the result of training, methodically making the wrong choice on every turn is not something that can be explained by simple randomness
634740;1398172355;ThickAsThieves;it works out okay if youre marketing to stupid people though
634741;1398172362;ThickAsThieves;:/\
634742;1398172373;mircea_popescu;well sure. marketing to people who went to the same school as you did always works well.
634743;1398172376;Naphex;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23m1de/vault_of_satoshi_launches_full_public_proof_of/ / http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/23m3xg/vault_of_satoshi_launches_full_public_proof_of/
634744;1398172378;asciilifeform;one of you told me that the fellow behind 'vault' (argentinian?) has actual brain. so does he keep it in a case, buried in the garden with kalash? or use it for other ventures? because 'vault' doesn't reveal evidence of its use.
634745;1398172389;fluffypony;afaik they're using this: https://github.com/olalonde/proof-of-solvency
634746;1398172402;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform vault of satoshi is unrelated to that guy afaik
634747;1398172431;davout;fluffypony: yeah, that's just a clever way to present the data
634748;1398172442;mircea_popescu;who's olalonde ?
634749;1398172468;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0644536 = 0.2578 BTC [-]
634750;1398172477;davout;apparently some french guy that was smart enough to move to china
634751;1398172481;mircea_popescu;Specification
634752;1398172481;mircea_popescu;Work in progress.
634753;1398172483;mircea_popescu;lovely.
634754;1398172494;mircea_popescu;so can i just copy the html page saying success, much coin excess ?
634755;1398172498;mircea_popescu;since this seems to be server side
634756;1398172504;davout;mircea_popescu: still beats the "specification is useless because code" approach
634757;1398172518;mircea_popescu;https://raw.github.com/olalonde/solvency-verifier-extension/master/docs/screenshot.png
634758;1398172520;mircea_popescu;gotta love this.
634759;1398172536;mircea_popescu;ok, this is a fucking scam.
634760;1398172549;Naphex;hehe
634761;1398172550;fluffypony;oh I take it back
634762;1398172554;mircea_popescu;so i get 50 btc from 100 users. i spend 4925 of these 5k btc
634763;1398172556;fluffypony;they're using Proof of LIabilities
634764;1398172557;fluffypony;same guy
634765;1398172559;fluffypony;http://syskall.com/proof-of-liabilities/
634766;1398172560;ozbot;Proof of Liabilities tools
634767;1398172563;mircea_popescu;each user sees "success! site is solvent! 25 btc extra"
634768;1398172576;mircea_popescu;fucking bitchslap these idiots with a trout omfg.
634769;1398172595;fluffypony;https://github.com/olalonde/proof-of-liabilities
634770;1398172598;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: solvency-verifier << when i was a little boy, me brother said 'i shall build you a computer.' (he had one, a rarity, i was envious and annoying)
634771;1398172599;jurov;ThickAsThieves yes wao is wao
634772;1398172605;asciilifeform;so next day he gives it to me
634773;1398172620;asciilifeform;a matchbox. push it, one side pops out, printed with answer!! 'CORRECT.'
634774;1398172629;asciilifeform;push other side, 'ERROR'
634775;1398172639;asciilifeform;'here's yer computer'
634776;1398172644;asciilifeform;'the one you deserve'
634777;1398172650;mircea_popescu;how mean!
634778;1398172654;davout;it's spelled "compootah"
634779;1398172657;fluffypony;I would've complained about the stack size
634780;1398172669;asciilifeform;i deserved this computer. and, apparently, some people today, still deserve.
634781;1398172675;mircea_popescu;meanwhile back at the other side of mean : "Problem 4 : Permeating all the foregoing and sufficiently so to become a problem in its own right is the incredible arrogance of the recently liberated corporate slavebois working as independent coders. Seriously, start working on the BTC securities trade system of the future without ever having worked for MPEx, without having humbly presented your inept ideas to the most gra
634782;1398172675;mircea_popescu;ndiose master Mircea Popescu (ie, me), without anything like that ? O, why, because you’re a special little trainflake of brilliance and genius who can ? Really ?
634783;1398172675;mircea_popescu;Reality doesn’t work that way."
634784;1398172686;mircea_popescu;fuckwit without a clue makes "proof of solvency".
634785;1398172696;mircea_popescu;it works worse than the one bit matchbox computer ;/
634786;1398172708;asciilifeform;righto, both sides painted 'CORRECT'
634787;1398172730;mircea_popescu;should get fucking branded, roman empire style.
634788;1398172733;fluffypony;ok so it's an implementation of this: https://iwilcox.me.uk/2014/proving-bitcoin-reserves
634789;1398172752;fluffypony;which seems great in theory, but as mircea_popescu pointed out it's easy to fake
634790;1398172763;mircea_popescu;"I THOUGHT I WAS SMART. TURNS OUT I WAS JUST ANOTHER LITERATE IGNORAMUS"
634791;1398172789;mircea_popescu;in like inch high letters, one letter at a time.
634792;1398172802;asciilifeform;'i own proxima centaruri.' - 'ok, i'll believe. but first, wiggle it a bit. my gravimeter's ready, whatcha waiting for.'
634793;1398172804;mircea_popescu;70 of them, takes two months.
634794;1398172809;asciilifeform;*centauri
634795;1398172815;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves ok, you wanna talk about getting under my skin ? this shit gets under my skin.
634796;1398172840;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's not a fair test. i own my cock, but it's also too big to wiggle.
634797;1398172872;ThickAsThieves;your hands have gone weak from lack of self service
634798;1398172883;ThickAsThieves;have your girl move it
634799;1398172886;mircea_popescu;it needs like three women working it
634800;1398172893;mircea_popescu;wouldn't that be the curse of all time.
634801;1398172908;mircea_popescu;"honey! i gotta pee! get honey and honey, let's get moving on this!"
634802;1398172909;asciilifeform;yah, but you can make it report for duty, prove ownership.
634803;1398172923;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so far. from what i hear from older people however...
634804;1398172937;asciilifeform;herr mocsny had a good point about this
634805;1398172954;davout;mircea_popescu: lazyness would command to get a chamber pot instead
634806;1398172956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.0009871 = 21.4201 BTC [+] {4} 
634807;1398172959;asciilifeform;'It would be interesting to do a study on men who need Viagra to have sex with their partners. How many of those same men are able to wank off to porn (whatever variety they like, but most likely it would feature women from the most physically attractive 1%) without chemical assistance?'
634808;1398172969;asciilifeform;(mocsny - http://www.myrsky.net/danimal-archive-part-1/index.html)
634809;1398172974;mircea_popescu;chamber pot, chamber maid, chamber music...
634810;1398172990;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that'd be a good study. i'm also curious.
634811;1398173009;asciilifeform;speaking of chamber pot - anyone else's hotel room had... an Otohime!?!?
634812;1398173014;asciilifeform;last thing i expected to find
634813;1398173023;asciilifeform;;;google otohime
634814;1398173023;gribble;Toyotama-hime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyotama-hime>; Otohime - The One Piece Wiki - Wikia: <http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Otohime>; Otohime - Yu-Gi-Oh!: <http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Otohime>
634815;1398173031;mircea_popescu;a what ?
634816;1398173056;asciilifeform;http://travel.cnn.com/tokyo/shop/sound-princess-loo-001106
634817;1398173057;ozbot;The sound of a princess... on the toilet | CNN Travel
634818;1398173123;Naphex;oh man, the tehnology nowadays, and i used to just turn on the water
634819;1398173123;Naphex;:))
634820;1398173123;mircea_popescu;aren't these gizmos like required by the classification board ?
634821;1398173123;jurov;i tried that switch but did not recognize any sound
634822;1398173126;mircea_popescu;to get your stars or w/e ?
634823;1398173127;asciilifeform;yeah mine was dead too
634824;1398173132;asciilifeform;but i'm not a princess
634825;1398173136;ThickAsThieves;;;rate wao 2 Spreads bitcoin awareness, works with jurov (Coinroll, etc), friendly dood
634826;1398173137;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user wao has been recorded.
634827;1398173269;ThickAsThieves;"Study confirms monkeys can do math"
634828;1398173290;asciilifeform;waiting for 'study confirms man can do math'
634829;1398173326;mircea_popescu;and by math is meant, of course, arithmetics ?
634830;1398173345;fluffypony;the three Rs - Reading, Riting, and Rithmetic
634831;1398173354;ThickAsThieves;"GitHub co-founder resigns after investigation into harassment claims"
634832;1398173391;asciilifeform;there was, if i recall, suspicion that higher animals (e.g. dog catching ball) can crunch diff. equations - until high speed photography developed
634833;1398173414;asciilifeform;then it was found that creatures merely do 'bang-bang correction' when 'solving' the motion equations.
634834;1398173435;ThickAsThieves;http://venturebeat.com/2014/04/21/google-is-researching-ways-to-make-encryption-easier-to-use-in-gmail/
634835;1398173435;ozbot;Google is researching ways to make encryption easier to use in Gmail | VentureBeat | Security | by H
634836;1398173442;ThickAsThieves;(psp)
634837;1398173445;ThickAsThieves;oops
634838;1398173447;ThickAsThieves;(pgp)
634839;1398173465;asciilifeform;'integrating into gmail'
634840;1398173472;asciilifeform;next news:
634841;1398173476;asciilifeform;'google buys keybase'
634842;1398173478;jurov;google's unto embrace extern extinguish?
634843;1398173485;jurov;*onto
634844;1398173487;mircea_popescu;jurov exactly.
634845;1398173496;asciilifeform;seriously, how much radiation damage someone would need, to swallow this crap
634846;1398173551;mircea_popescu;dude srsly ? cofounders split up over that horvath nitwit ?!
634847;1398173561;mircea_popescu;poor github. so who's replacing them ?
634848;1398173566;asciilifeform;the gurl?
634849;1398173567;ThickAsThieves;appears so
634850;1398173577;Naphex;didn't google launch gmail just too show ads on your mail context?
634851;1398173587;Naphex;what ads will run for encrypted emails? ;o
634852;1398173598;ThickAsThieves;Naphex i dont think so
634853;1398173612;asciilifeform;'products bought by other people having your private key...'
634854;1398173614;ThickAsThieves;the mail context came much later
634855;1398173615;fluffypony;Naphex: they still know what you're searching
634856;1398173622;mircea_popescu;Naphex no, gmail was because yahoo sucked and they did mail.
634857;1398173622;asciilifeform;'google buys phuctor', news at 11.
634858;1398173626;fluffypony;I mean searching in mail
634859;1398173634;ThickAsThieves;google just wants you to enter their cage for the most part
634860;1398173637;mircea_popescu;many shepherds in backwards places (like romania) still use yahoo mail
634861;1398173643;fluffypony;although that'll be interesting - how will gmail search work if your mail is encrypted?
634862;1398173653;mircea_popescu;fluffypony "encrypted"
634863;1398173656;asciilifeform;'encrypted'
634864;1398173671;mircea_popescu;it's just encrypted to stop the leaks wherein haxxors get the pm's email.
634865;1398173671;fluffypony;exactly
634866;1398173678;mircea_popescu;it's not encrypted to stop google reading it. it couldn't be
634867;1398173688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00098778 = 3.3091 BTC [+]
634868;1398173689;mircea_popescu;otherwise, i already use encrypted gmail.
634869;1398173691;ThickAsThieves;then it aint really encrypted :/
634870;1398173704;Apocalyptic;<asciilifeform> seriously, how much radiation damage someone would need, to swallow this crap // i like the way you put it
634871;1398173726;ThickAsThieves;the line is drawn at whether the encryption happens locally or on google servers, right?
634872;1398173765;Apocalyptic;even if it's done locally, you trust google to provide the right js script or whatever
634873;1398173766;asciilifeform;the concept of 'private key' is apparently high mathematics to some people.
634874;1398173827;ThickAsThieves;isnt there already an opensource pgp mail client?
634875;1398173836;fluffypony;no clue
634876;1398173844;jurov;ThickAsThieves: KMail + Kleopatra
634877;1398173846;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves why do i need to mix the channel and the security layer at all ?
634878;1398173862;mircea_popescu;this is exactly wrong. i do not need gmail involved in encryption any more than i need incentivised wot
634879;1398173865;fluffypony;Mailvelope does GPG in the browser (Chrome only, FF coming) for GMail
634880;1398173867;jurov;but nothing can open PGP/MIME stuff it produces
634881;1398173875;mircea_popescu;i just encrypt in gpg, everything the same way, and then paste the text in an email.
634882;1398173886;mircea_popescu;this works with all carriers, cause it's not their job to encrypt. their job is to carry.
634883;1398173892;jurov;so I just copy paste gpg encrypted clobs anyway
634884;1398173898;fluffypony;also
634885;1398173908;mircea_popescu;sanity is separating risks not bundling them.
634886;1398173932;asciilifeform;it's not unlike toilet in the kitchen.
634887;1398173937;fluffypony;although probably 95% of my mails aren't encrypted or gpg signed because that would require educating all recipients on how to decrypt them
634888;1398173940;ThickAsThieves;it does seem a bit silly when you consider any mail client made for encryption essentially exists to remove the bother of copy-pasting
634889;1398173967;asciilifeform;why does your flat need both a toilet and kitchen sink?
634890;1398173971;asciilifeform;save the bother of walking
634891;1398173976;asciilifeform;save plumber some work.
634892;1398173990;Apocalyptic;ThickAsThieves, there is no bother too great for security
634893;1398173993;ThickAsThieves;i always wondered why people dont piss in the sink
634894;1398174000;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought that's where the us was headed with the garbage disposal things
634895;1398174010;ThickAsThieves;we had this habit when i rented with other dudes
634896;1398174017;asciilifeform;someone already sells toilets with 'garbage disposal'
634897;1398174019;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRppqaanECA
634898;1398174024;asciilifeform;waiting for a bright fellow to make next step.
634899;1398174032;ThickAsThieves;even the bathroom sink is more suited for male pissing than the toiley
634900;1398174042;Apocalyptic;!up chairman_meow
634901;1398174042;assbot;Voicing chairman_meow for 30 minutes.
634902;1398174048;chairman_meow;thanks
634903;1398174054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00098778 = 8.1492 BTC [+]
634904;1398174069;chairman_meow;can anyone recommend an investment like just-dice?
634905;1398174077;mircea_popescu;just-dice.
634906;1398174077;ThickAsThieves;no
634907;1398174095;ThickAsThieves;what is just-dice missing that you seek?
634908;1398174143;chairman_meow;ThickAsThieves: i want to invest in gambling sites. I just don't want to put everything in just-dice
634909;1398174153;ThickAsThieves;bitbet
634910;1398174155;ThickAsThieves;mpex.co
634911;1398174205;chairman_meow;thanks
634912;1398174239;*;ThickAsThieves waits for "30btc to register, fuck that!"
634913;1398174260;mircea_popescu;anyone recvalls that film where an aspiring actress ends up killing her baby ?
634914;1398174265;chairman_meow;ThickAsThieves: nothing that allows me to invest small amounts?
634915;1398174266;mircea_popescu;i think it was von trier maybe ?
634916;1398174283;ThickAsThieves;coinbr.com
634917;1398174302;ThickAsThieves;but maybe read and learn about bitbet before worrying about how to buy it?
634918;1398174336;chairman_meow;everydice.com looks like what i'm looking for. kinda shady though
634919;1398174424;chairman_meow;heyyy mircea_popescu owns bitbet
634920;1398174444;mircea_popescu;only for the good stuff
634921;1398174542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0657999 = 0.329 BTC [+]
634922;1398174543;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
634923;1398174565;mircea_popescu;daisy diamond!
634924;1398174568;mircea_popescu;btw, great film.
634925;1398174581;ThickAsThieves;mostly mp just adds randomness to bitbet ;)
634926;1398174604;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04300042 = 0.301 BTC [-] {3} 
634927;1398174644;chairman_meow;hmm there doesnt seem to be something like just-dice
634928;1398174644;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves my contributions throughout my life have been nixing things and doing weird shit. in that order.
634929;1398174662;Blazedout419;lol love that painting mircea_popescu
634930;1398174664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2892 @ 0.0000694 = 0.2007 BTC [-] {6} 
634931;1398174682;ThickAsThieves;bitcoinragazine censorshipped me :(
634932;1398174686;mircea_popescu;Blazedout419 the gauguin ?
634933;1398174690;Blazedout419;ya
634934;1398174697;Blazedout419;haha "paint me as hitler"
634935;1398174727;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00098375 = 11.1164 BTC [-] {2} 
634936;1398174752;ThickAsThieves;i was trying to point people to check out bitcoinpete's expose on maidsafe and they didnt approve my comment
634937;1398174807;mircea_popescu;oh oh. yeah huh :D
634938;1398174821;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves nonegativityallowed.com
634939;1398174831;mircea_popescu;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10775477/Why-your-fingerprints-may-not-be-unique.html
634940;1398174832;ozbot;Why your fingerprints may not be unique  - Telegraph
634941;1398174838;mircea_popescu;in other nonunique news.
634942;1398175018;Duffer1;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/digging-for-answers-the-strong-smell-of-fraud-from-one-bitcoin-miner-maker/
634943;1398175035;fluffypony;lol, theymos getting called out on /r/bitcoin now - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23o0hs/an_rbitcoin_moderator_seems_to_be_a_wellknown/
634944;1398175091;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0657999 = 0.3948 BTC [+]
634945;1398175092;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.03 = 0.75 BTC [+]
634946;1398175337;ThickAsThieves;"Vleisides' finances have been in question for the past several months," particularly because his residence "was recently purchased by BFL for approximately $400,000 in cash.
634947;1398175356;mircea_popescu;heh.
634948;1398175365;mircea_popescu;the noose tightens.
634949;1398175371;Duffer1;are monarchs shipping yet?
634950;1398175384;fluffypony;don't think so
634951;1398175412;Duffer1;sounds like this guy is going to pass away in prison like his father
634952;1398175523;chairman_meow;am I still voiced?
634953;1398175527;chairman_meow;yeah I am
634954;1398175543;chairman_meow;something I don't understand with provably fair.
634955;1398175567;ThickAsThieves;that it doesnt prove the operator isnt stealing?
634956;1398175577;HeySteve;wanted to mention earlier, Lavaboom looks promising for secure email: https://lavaboom.com/nerd-info.html
634957;1398175586;chairman_meow;ThickAsThieves: you read my mind!
634958;1398175599;davout;chairman_meow: no, he read the logs
634959;1398175616;ThickAsThieves;well in this case, it happens to be the first question i eve rasked in bitcoin
634960;1398175619;ThickAsThieves;to erik
634961;1398175632;chairman_meow;heh. so is there a solution to this?
634962;1398175632;Apocalyptic;"we do everything possible to make Lavaboom easy to use while keeping the service as secure as possible." HeySteve, you can't have it both ways
634963;1398175642;ThickAsThieves;no solution to date
634964;1398175643;Apocalyptic;or you end up with a thing that is neither one nor the other
634965;1398175650;davout;ThickAsThieves: so serious :-)
634966;1398175680;*;ThickAsThieves makes davout serious face and grunty retort noises
634967;1398175698;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: surely the solution should be that all rolls are on a single address, no change addresses?
634968;1398175703;*;davout throws a branch of celery to ThickAsThieves to calm his anger
634969;1398175709;HeySteve;Apocalyptic, I'd encrypt myself for anything sensitive but this will improve things for people who can't do that
634970;1398175710;ThickAsThieves;lol
634971;1398175727;Duffer1;" PayPal global asset protection officer, told her that as of September 2013, PayPal froze BFL’s account containing $11 million and that PayPal received 6,000 complaints in total."
634972;1398175735;Apocalyptic;HeySteve, it will improve the illusion
634973;1398175736;davout;HeySteve: there is no "person who can't do that", there are lazy people
634974;1398175742;ThickAsThieves;fluffy, the problem is the operator has the key
634975;1398175751;ThickAsThieves;so he can bet however he likes
634976;1398175751;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: yeah, so when the pot is big enough he can duck
634977;1398175756;ThickAsThieves;from any random address
634978;1398175763;fluffypony;and "win"
634979;1398175782;HeySteve;right, well the more cycles wasted on lazy people using halfway solutions the better?
634980;1398175782;ThickAsThieves;it gets worse
634981;1398175790;ThickAsThieves;he can do it with investor's money
634982;1398175798;davout;HeySteve: no
634983;1398175837;HeySteve;unsure why not, doesn't it increase costs for spies?
634984;1398175931;davout;HeySteve: does it ?
634985;1398175960;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: so then what about a hot-wallet, lost roll amounts are sent to a cold-wallet, and the cold wallet is multi-sig, with a board of investors holding keys and the site operator holding keys. payouts happen once every 24 hours instead of immediately.
634986;1398176011;davout;fluffypony: running away with the pot/cheating -> different problemz
634987;1398176011;HeySteve;davout, in theory
634988;1398176015;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 and then gigaom harps about how coindesk is relevant in bitcoin.
634989;1398176042;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, mp says he wants vehehes' head, mp gets vehehes' head. mp says he wants karpeles' head, mp gets karpeles' head
634990;1398176047;Duffer1;coindesk hurts my brain
634991;1398176049;mircea_popescu;and s' and s' and so on and so forth.
634992;1398176063;mircea_popescu;and ano i shall be off making bbq.
634993;1398176079;*;fluffypony ponders
634994;1398176088;fluffypony;davout: and this is why I don't gamble
634995;1398176099;fluffypony;at least not in the traditional sense :-P
634996;1398176275;ThickAsThieves;you cant remove trust from the problem here
634997;1398176281;ThickAsThieves;look at bitbet
634998;1398176292;ThickAsThieves;you still must trust them to hold your coins and pay them out
634999;1398176296;fluffypony;yeah
635000;1398176309;ThickAsThieves;that's not a problem necessarily
635001;1398176312;ThickAsThieves;it's a service
635002;1398176409;ThickAsThieves;the difference with bitbet is that the interests are better-aligned
635003;1398176424;fluffypony;yeah
635004;1398176503;ThickAsThieves;so, it would go that you might be better off investing in owning a dice site privately, than being a public investor via shares or a shared pot
635005;1398176529;ThickAsThieves;but then you'd also be the guy with the problem
635006;1398176538;ThickAsThieves;of not being able to prove you arent stealing
635007;1398176577;fluffypony;sure
635008;1398176587;fluffypony;I think it goes back to a discussion I had with someone the other day - he was espousing the values of the Dogecoin community, and how nice everyone is, and they don't have "scams like Bitcoin has"
635009;1398176600;fluffypony;so I pointed out that lending a buddy 200k Dogecoin today is worth a whopping $120, but Dogecoin's market cap is tiny ($44 mil as opposed to $6.2 bil), and would he trust his buddy to not run with those coins if they were worth $17 000?
635010;1398176641;fluffypony;in other words, operators may start off with good intentions, but when they suddenly realise they're sitting on a large pot of gold, are they still trustworthy?
635011;1398176695;fluffypony;and unfortunately in the case of many an operator in the Bitcoin/cryptocurrency space they don't scale their control measures in line with the money they control
635012;1398176738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17664 @ 0.00098778 = 17.4481 BTC [+]
635013;1398176806;Apocalyptic;operational security is hard to improvise
635014;1398176887;fluffypony;Apocalyptic: hence my #bitcoin-dev question on accounts, I was wondering how "auditable"/visible they were publicly (the answer being not-at-all)
635015;1398176968;mircea_popescu;-dev has accounts ?!
635016;1398176998;jurov;i think it was about bitcoin-qt accounts
635017;1398177037;fluffypony;jurov: they're deprecating it
635018;1398177042;jurov;electrum devs try to do accounts right, we'll see how it comes out
635019;1398177068;mircea_popescu;oh jesus those things.
635020;1398177098;fluffypony;but I had this little brain-fart of an idea of using accounts mapped 1:1 to an address on an exchange (turns out my understanding of "accounts" was incorrect)
635021;1398177105;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-was-written-by-the-retarded-part-ii/
635022;1398177106;ozbot;Bitcoin was written by the retarded, part II pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
635023;1398177115;mircea_popescu;there, have at.
635024;1398177351;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: and in at #8 is the bitcoin foundation's annual letter lol
635025;1398177362;davout;jurov: ThomasV is working on accounts??
635026;1398177375;bitcoinpete;the twitter is 6x older than the blog. all in good time
635027;1398177466;bitcoinpete;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23lt4p/neo_bee_the_full_picture/
635028;1398177469;ozbot;NEO & BEE: THE FULL PICTURE : Bitcoin
635029;1398177470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00022471 = 0.1124 BTC [-]
635030;1398177533;bitcoinpete;Brewster: "Actually I thought we had 5,000, but I have checked the wallet and the coins are not there, I spent them somewhere but I don't remember on what.......we have only 140 coins left."
635031;1398177605;bitcoinpete;Andreas Antonopoulos posts on Reddit stating that “I was as surprised and bewildered by these events…dismayed that another bitcoin company had imploded amidst allegations of fraud and leaving many investors, creditors and employees with serious losses…all of whom betrayed by Danny� <<fuckin derp
635032;1398177644;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete ask derpopopulos how come is it possible that danny brewster fucked everyone in the ass, when he never said things such as nigger or put down women for being retarded ?
635033;1398177663;mircea_popescu;maybe he should change his spiel from his current nonsense. apparently that doesn't help anything.
635034;1398177703;mircea_popescu;carefully selecting audiences for libertardism does not on the volume of data collected so far seem to produce better businesses.
635035;1398177720;bitcoinpete;lol i'll call into joe rogan's show tmrw and heckle derpopolous live
635036;1398177740;fluffypony;I'd pay to hear that
635037;1398177743;fluffypony;do you accept Altcoin?
635038;1398177743;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly. we've all been sayin' hail marys over here like he prescribed, and we still got the clap.
635039;1398177744;mircea_popescu;what gives ?
635040;1398177747;mircea_popescu;and is he paying for it ?
635041;1398177775;mircea_popescu;tell him some investors have been very careful to follow his instructions and they still lost money. what's he going to do to make them whole ? apologize ? pay out of pocket ?
635042;1398177816;bitcoinpete;afaik andreas is fuckin broke and just scrapes by as a conference gypsy
635043;1398177828;mircea_popescu;i know, but he does it in an offensive manner.
635044;1398177835;mircea_popescu;at least to my easily offended asshole sensibilities.
635045;1398177890;fluffypony;am I the only person who hasn't seen him speak / heard him interviewed / watched him in a video?
635046;1398177927;bitcoinpete;fluffypony: maybe, you're out on some lulz
635047;1398177960;bitcoinpete;he's all about "the other 6 billion," promoting scammers, and 2.0 baloney
635048;1398177970;fluffypony;bitcoinpete: every time I see a video with him linked to on /r/bitcoin it just seems like a link to a TED talk, and I can't be bothered to watch TED talks
635049;1398178003;ThickAsThieves;i have yet to watch more than 10secs of antonopoly
635050;1398178008;jborkl;The next day Brewster shocks the management team by telling them that the 5,000 BTC have…..overnight become only 140! "Actually I thought we had 5,000, but I have checked the wallet and the coins are not there, I spent them somewhere but I don't remember on what.......we have only 140 coins left. I am going to the UK to find investors. I will send you the 140 coins left and also sell my Mercedes
635051;1398178008;jborkl;and Bentley and will send you the money to pay the March salaries and the creditors".
635052;1398178020;bitcoinpete;;;google antonopolous joe rogan
635053;1398178020;gribble;Joe Rogan Experience #446 - Andreas Antonopoulos - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cexawnOlR8>; Joe Rogan (Podcast Site): <http://podcasts.joerogan.net/>; Andreas M. Antonopoulos Live on Joe Rogan Experiance RIGHT ...: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wbmo7/andreas_m_antonopoulos_live_on_joe_rogan/>
635054;1398178025;jborkl;Jesus christ, what a fucking retard
635055;1398178029;mircea_popescu;fluffypony i think i saw a pic. kinda bald fellow.
635056;1398178037;ThickAsThieves;despite being hetero, i find him too unnattractive to look at
635057;1398178054;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: hunchy too
635058;1398178054;ThickAsThieves;maybe it's just my spider sense
635059;1398178066;mircea_popescu;jborkl "5,000 BTC have…..overnight become only 140!" << there's some truth to that.
635060;1398178074;mircea_popescu;you see, toy exchanges love to inflate their figures.
635061;1398178101;mircea_popescu;due to the complete lack of transparency, and seeing how all havelock/btct/bitfunder/glbse/etc offerings are destined to implode anyway
635062;1398178109;mircea_popescu;they can get away with the pretense that they raise a lot of money.
635063;1398178122;mircea_popescu;then inexplicable shit happens. like this :
635064;1398178333;bitcoinpete;https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/458619240791019521
635065;1398178333;ozbot;Twitter / bitcoinpete: Hey @aantonop: Are you making ...
635066;1398178334;jborkl;I am going to sell my Mercedes and Bentley <-- what a asshole
635067;1398178377;bitcoinpete;not my harshest rebuke… don't feel like tearing assholes before breakfast
635068;1398178422;fluffypony;bitcoinpete: I see not everyone appreciated your maidsafe criticism
635069;1398178462;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2014#595720
635070;1398178463;bitcoinpete;fluffypony: not everyone appreciates frank lloyd wright either, c'est la vie
635071;1398178466;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
635072;1398178476;jborkl;what is maidsafe anyway?  keeps the maid from stealing your bitcoins?
635073;1398178486;fluffypony;"@bitcoinpete @maidsafe @MSCProtocol any points you make get lost in what feels like a trashy review of a summer movie. Be more constructive."
635074;1398178489;mircea_popescu;it's like maid to order. a pun.
635075;1398178494;fluffypony;what a whiney little girl
635076;1398178507;bitcoinpete;jborkl: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/the-brokenness-of-maidsafe/
635077;1398178524;bitcoinpete;fluffypony: blame the education system lol
635078;1398178531;mircea_popescu;fluffypony lmao. when did some fucktarded bitcoin noncompany with no wot start looking down on trashy summer movies ?!
635079;1398178535;mircea_popescu;what is this, the reverseland ?
635080;1398178544;fluffypony;lol
635081;1398178564;mircea_popescu;Your search - @bitcoinpete @maidsafe @MSCProtocol any points you make get lost in what feels like a ... - did not match any documents.
635082;1398178566;mircea_popescu;can i \has linkl ?
635083;1398178566;jborkl;then it should be madesafe right? I guess I don't get the pun
635084;1398178576;mircea_popescu;jborkl they're new in the punning business.
635085;1398178576;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: sure gimme a sec
635086;1398178585;bitcoinpete;https://twitter.com/russellaugust/status/458501550277537792
635087;1398178586;ozbot;Twitter / russellaugust: @bitcoinpete @maidsafe ...
635088;1398178588;bitcoinpete;faster
635089;1398178593;fluffypony;https://twitter.com/russellaugust/status/458501550277537792
635090;1398178593;ozbot;Twitter / russellaugust: @bitcoinpete @maidsafe ...
635091;1398178597;fluffypony;oh there, beat me to it
635092;1398178616;*;fluffypony sends bitcoinpete a coke
635093;1398178629;bounce;no minute maid?
635094;1398178655;bitcoinpete;just had one of the guys in our meet-up group ask about maidsafe too. of course, a day after i blogged about it. just like he asked about bitgo a day after i blogged about that. noticing a pattern here
635095;1398178666;mircea_popescu;the bigger q here is who the fuck is that russel dood.
635096;1398178682;mircea_popescu;"Avid film and commercial editor, motion artist, and sometimes software developer." just sounds to me like unemployed young poor.
635097;1398178715;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete the pattern being that peeps are trolling you or that peeps don't read your blog ?
635098;1398178767;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: very big q indeed. is being a "motion artist" like someone who takes jogs outside?
635099;1398178778;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: not reading lol
635100;1398178819;fluffypony;bitcoinpete: I believe "motion artists" practice an obscure form of yoga
635101;1398178819;ThickAsThieves;i exist therefore i artist
635102;1398178825;bitcoinpete;fluffypony: not much for coke, got any wine?
635103;1398178842;bitcoinpete;fluffypony: probably one of the hot, sweaty kinds
635104;1398178846;fluffypony;bitcoinpete: TONS, take a trip to South Africa and stop by, I'll provide the alcohol
635105;1398178857;bitcoinpete;deal
635106;1398178881;fluffypony;cgcardona_:)
635107;1398178915;bitcoinpete;reading part 3 of essences...
635108;1398178927;mircea_popescu;fluffypony i bet you it's just copied off the oscars. "the academy of motioning artistes"
635109;1398178938;fluffypony;hah
635110;1398178945;mircea_popescu;at the time in newyork young hungry cocksuckers worked like taxi cabs : you'd motion to them and they'd get to work.
635111;1398179012;jurov;davout  re: electrum multiple wallets: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=427617.0
635112;1398179031;jurov;er.. accounts
635113;1398179037;cgcardona_;top of the morning bitcoin-assets! cc/ fluffypony
635114;1398179195;mircea_popescu;ello
635115;1398179223;jborkl;Ok, I read the website facts for Maidsafe and I feel dumb now. And if they are going to make a really bad pun they need a logo to go with it that makes you laugh
635116;1398179226;jborkl;https://www.google.com/search?q=french+maid+stealing+image&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=y4RWU_b8D-HOyAGcg4GADg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=955#q=french+maid+theft&tbm=isch&facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=e3pqlcwPH_fDFM%253A%3BWnNPSumn-CUFuM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimages.uncyc.org%252Fcommons%252Fthumb%252Ff%252Ff9%252FFrench_maid_dingo.jpg%252F150px-French_maid_dingo.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fmirror
635117;1398179227;jborkl;.uncyc.org%252Fwiki%252FSeptember%3B150%3B151
635118;1398179244;jborkl;nm the link hehe
635119;1398179283;ThickAsThieves;http://www.pfhub.com/u-s-investment-banker-james-rickards-says-tie-bitcoin-gold-avoid-volatility-580/
635120;1398179283;ozbot;U.S. investment banker James Rickards says tie bitcoin to gold and avoid volatility
635121;1398179335;davout;jurov: thanks, i'll inquire about it
635122;1398179339;ThickAsThieves;US doctor says tie noose to neck to avoid risk
635123;1398179381;bitcoinpete;ThickAsThieves: that noose is also for professionalism
635124;1398179517;ThickAsThieves;maybe #b-a logo could be a sword of Damocles with a halo at the bottom
635125;1398179572;mircea_popescu;either that or a gaping asshole
635126;1398179629;ThickAsThieves;might as well make a whole crest out of it
635127;1398179643;ThickAsThieves;hmm wsj ssl broken
635128;1398179652;ThickAsThieves;https://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/04/22/thai-tea-firm-ichitan-injects-a-buzz-into-thailands-stock-market/?mod=WSJBlog
635129;1398179652;ozbot;Tea Firm Injects Buzz into Thai Stock Market With Porsche Giveaway - MoneyBeat - WSJ
635130;1398179670;ThickAsThieves;next is BOGO?
635131;1398179782;ThickAsThieves;Sharpie of Damocles
635132;1398179965;mircea_popescu;http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB122290720439096481
635133;1398179986;mircea_popescu;moar like sharpie of patrocles
635134;1398180063;ThickAsThieves;jurov:<davout> ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL, also CoinBR <<< lol I'm not aware TAT took over coinbr :D /// Surprise!
635135;1398180081;davout;whoops
635136;1398180083;asciilifeform;;;google trading sardines
635137;1398180084;gribble;"Trading Sardines" - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=28627.0>; Natural Gas In 2013: It's Now A Trading Sardine - Seeking Alpha: <http://seekingalpha.com/article/1091461-natural-gas-in-2013-its-now-a-trading-sardine>; "Sardines" are to Trade, not Eat | Gold Eagle: <http://www.gold-eagle.com/article/sardines-are-trade-not-eat>
635138;1398180179;davout;;;rate ThickAsThieves 3 this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL
635139;1398180180;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user ThickAsThieves has changed from 1 to 3.
635140;1398180193;davout;;;rate jurov 3
635141;1398180195;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user jurov has been recorded.
635142;1398180265;davout;;;rate jurov 3 this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL, also CoinBR
635143;1398180266;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 3 to 3.
635144;1398180285;davout;;;rate jurov 3 this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL, also CoinBR
635145;1398180286;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 3 to 3.
635146;1398180294;davout;weird, the message doesn't get picked up
635147;1398180312;Blazedout419;what do you mean
635148;1398180312;jurov;what? i see gribbles replies
635149;1398180318;Blazedout419;[11:24am] <+gribble> Rating change | Old rating 3 | New rating: davout > 3 > jurov | this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL, also CoinBR
635150;1398180318;Blazedout419;[11:24am] <+gribble> Rating change | Old rating 3 | New rating: davout > 3 > jurov | this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL, also CoinBR
635151;1398180321;Blazedout419;it shows
635152;1398180330;Blazedout419;the gribble spam chans shows all!
635153;1398180334;davout;okay, wasn't showing at first on bitcoin-otc
635154;1398180342;davout;seems good nao
635155;1398180380;davout;;;rate asciilifeform 3 this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL, very knowledgeable about engineering and beagles
635156;1398180381;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user asciilifeform has changed from 1 to 3.
635157;1398180388;Blazedout419;you guys know gribble has a chan that echos all ratings right?
635158;1398180391;davout;might as well do a little update round
635159;1398180400;davout;Blazedout419: no
635160;1398180408;Blazedout419;ya
635161;1398180421;Blazedout419;only gribble is voiced...and only shows ratings as added
635162;1398180423;davout;Blazedout419: no as in "oh really? tell me more" :-)
635163;1398180434;Blazedout419;#bitcoin-otc-ratings
635164;1398180443;davout;;;rate kakobrekla 3 this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL, also Bit4x
635165;1398180444;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 1 to 3.
635166;1398180460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3053 @ 0.000135 = 0.4122 BTC [+]
635167;1398180470;bitcoinpete;ciao for nao
635168;1398180483;davout;;;rate mike_c 3 this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL
635169;1398180485;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mike_c has changed from 1 to 3.
635170;1398180517;davout;;;rate ThomasV 3 electrum, met IRL a few times
635171;1398180518;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user ThomasV has changed from 3 to 3.
635172;1398180623;davout;Blazedout419: thank you !
635173;1398180632;Blazedout419;ya
635174;1398180688;davout;Blazedout419: learn something new every day!
635175;1398180705;mircea_popescu;davout omfg you actually didn't know ?
635176;1398180718;mircea_popescu;i thought sarcasm fo sho, you nooblet you
635177;1398180725;Blazedout419;;;ratingsystem getrating Blazedout419
635178;1398180726;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net . User Blazedout419, rated since Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013. Cumulative rating 258, from 119 total ratings. Received ratings: 119 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 124 positive, 3 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419
635179;1398180729;jurov;looks like i should update my ratings too :)
635180;1398180730;Blazedout419;he does so many things
635181;1398180737;jurov;;;ident jurov
635182;1398180737;gribble;Nick 'jurov', with hostmask 'jurov!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com', is not identified.
635183;1398180750;mircea_popescu;o look, coinbrazil has a mexico.
635184;1398180776;jurov;lol
635185;1398180807;jurov;it was supposed to be used for email, too
635186;1398180877;jurov;after some bastions are erected and moats dug
635187;1398180959;jurov;!up only
635188;1398180959;assbot;Voicing only for 30 minutes.
635189;1398181130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3036 @ 0.00098881 = 3.002 BTC [+]
635190;1398181220;jurov;;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:13ad09cbe0fc1cde274158d2b9e2d39594bb14c40d65609dcfa6224e
635191;1398181221;gribble;You are now authenticated for user jurov with key 677ABD62D0AEE7D7
635192;1398181317;jurov;;;rate asciilifeform 3 NSA delivers; met IRL
635193;1398181318;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user asciilifeform has changed from 1 to 3.
635194;1398181354;jurov;;;rate davout 3 bitcoin-central; met IRL
635195;1398181356;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user davout has changed from 3 to 3.
635196;1398181435;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.528 = 1.056 BTC [-]
635197;1398181456;jurov;;;rate mike_c 3 <3 bitcoinalpha;we met IRL
635198;1398181457;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user mike_c has been recorded.
635199;1398181606;jurov;;;rate ThickAsThieves 3 Biggest IDIFF investor, we met IRL
635200;1398181607;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.
635201;1398181660;davout;;;rate mike_c 3 this nick maps to a real person i have met IRL, also btcalpha <3
635202;1398181661;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mike_c has changed from 3 to 3.
635203;1398181677;davout;jurov: thanks for reminding me mike_c does btcalpha, luv it
635204;1398181858;jurov;;;rate kakobrekla 4 runs several solid btc enterprises (bit4x,bitbet,panacea,...);we met IRL
635205;1398181860;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 4 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
635206;1398181910;jurov;;;rate mircea_popescu 6 has pet manticores;we met IRL
635207;1398181911;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 4 to 6.
635208;1398181941;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/
635209;1398181942;ozbot;A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
635210;1398181968;mircea_popescu;in my humble opinion, this is the most important thing written on the topic in the history of human culture, neatly dwarving adam smith and so forth.
635211;1398182021;ThickAsThieves;just when i was gonna take a break from reading
635212;1398182106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40373 @ 0.00098287 = 39.6814 BTC [-] {3} 
635213;1398182167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47728 @ 0.00098162 = 46.8508 BTC [-] {4} 
635214;1398182263;ThickAsThieves;typo: marriage certificate. Were burning it today, all of it
635215;1398182268;ThickAsThieves;we're
635216;1398182411;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.48246700 BTC to 6`890 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
635217;1398182468;ThickAsThieves;thinking out loud, if something is not a medium of exchange,
635218;1398182473;ThickAsThieves;should it never be used as one?
635219;1398182478;ThickAsThieves;for example, time
635220;1398182491;ThickAsThieves;i mow your lawn so i can have you do my taxes
635221;1398182594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52664 @ 0.00098641 = 51.9483 BTC [+]
635222;1398182716;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2536 @ 0.00098837 = 2.5065 BTC [+]
635223;1398182800;jurov;ThickAsThieves: that's barter and does not involve any medium of exchange
635224;1398182829;ThickAsThieves;i suppose
635225;1398182846;davout;jurov: the distinction of barter vs. other forms of trade is imho quite artificial
635226;1398182871;ThickAsThieves;i always sorta viewed mediums of exchange as manifestations of time
635227;1398182881;davout;a medium of exchange is just another economic good, one that is particularly liquid though
635228;1398182881;ThickAsThieves;time is all we really have right?
635229;1398182993;davout;why so ?
635230;1398183198;ThickAsThieves;hmm, it's the only resource everyone has? how one "spends" their time may determine their "wealth" ...?
635231;1398183229;benkay;you're born long time and short housing...
635232;1398183238;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves ty!
635233;1398183248;ThickAsThieves;it is inconvenient to transfer time, so currency is used
635234;1398183264;ThickAsThieves;among other inconvenient things to transfer
635235;1398183269;mircea_popescu;so if it doesn't satisfy #2, it's not a medium of exchange
635236;1398183271;mircea_popescu;case closed.
635237;1398183302;mircea_popescu;i mean you know, you can view planets as stars, as in the case of venus
635238;1398183310;mircea_popescu;what you prefer viewing things as tho is not a point of astronomy
635239;1398183339;ThickAsThieves;well i did start by acknowledging it was not a MoE
635240;1398183351;mircea_popescu;time is definitely very important.
635241;1398183362;ThickAsThieves;maybe rephrased, would it be preferred to require currency in a barter
635242;1398183365;mircea_popescu;the problem of natural persons vs legal persons is that natural persons have constraints legal persons do not.
635243;1398183367;ThickAsThieves;instead of the man;s time
635244;1398183371;mircea_popescu;such as finite timespan, and a need to eat.
635245;1398183380;mircea_popescu;this makes corporations win out in any fair contest.
635246;1398183424;ThickAsThieves;how is it fair if one side has constraints?
635247;1398183447;mircea_popescu;a fair contest is a contest which does not distinguish between participants.
635248;1398183449;mircea_popescu;!up surfcap
635249;1398183449;assbot;Voicing surfcap for 30 minutes.
635250;1398183468;ThickAsThieves;ah, so it's fair because the person chose to compete
635251;1398183487;mircea_popescu;fairness in this context may not be what you think when you say the word.
635252;1398183498;mircea_popescu;fairness is not a guarantee of equal resuts, even if you promise equal effort.
635253;1398183504;mircea_popescu;fair is simply anonymity.
635254;1398183510;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 750 @ 0.14 = 105 BTC
635255;1398183532;mircea_popescu;if the contest is running, and it dun matter who's running, he still has to do 100 meters, be it obama or goldstein,
635256;1398183536;mircea_popescu;then it's a fair contest.
635257;1398183604;mircea_popescu;and from unrelated news : "Nothing makes you more powerful inside the joint than a strong grounding in currency arbitrage."
635258;1398183632;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is the best thing you could possibly be doing with your time, not last on the list because even should it put you in prison, it will probably make you a ruler there, too.
635259;1398183664;mircea_popescu;a more absolute gift of power could scarcely be devised. "even in hell, they with this staff wield power" sort of thing.
635260;1398183667;dignork;mircea_popescu: person can win over corporate entity, think of kill contract for C-level staff
635261;1398183682;mircea_popescu;dignork i don't follow ?
635262;1398183712;dignork;mircea_popescu: "mircea_popescu | this makes corporations win out in any fair contest."
635263;1398183741;mircea_popescu;i know what i said, what i don't follow is what you said.
635264;1398183762;ThickAsThieves;it always amazed me how much arbitrage opportunity existed on the play exchanges
635265;1398183764;dignork;mircea_popescu: just describing situation where person can win
635266;1398183772;mircea_popescu;how does the person win ?
635267;1398183800;ThickAsThieves;and what is the contest
635268;1398183801;mircea_popescu;if you shoot all the board of X corp, what of it ? they just hire new ones.
635269;1398183803;dignork;mircea_popescu: if the game was survavibility
635270;1398183822;mircea_popescu;a corporation is like a personified feud. it can even lay dormant.
635271;1398183837;mircea_popescu;meanwhile banks adding interest to its accounts.
635272;1398183913;ThickAsThieves;so mp, with this purified definition of economy, how do we apply it to current situations for benefit?
635273;1398183936;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06476363 = 0.1295 BTC [-] {2} 
635274;1398183947;ThickAsThieves;like, we discovered quantum computing, now what?
635275;1398183975;mircea_popescu;well we apply it to understand what we do and do not understand better, and formalise both.
635276;1398183984;mircea_popescu;for instance, what does qc do ? does it attack the forum ?
635277;1398183994;mircea_popescu;does it attack the moe ? the wot ? how so ?
635278;1398184001;mircea_popescu;it can be fixed once we understand wtf it does.
635279;1398184008;ThickAsThieves;hmm
635280;1398184010;mircea_popescu;before we do, it's just you know, fretting.
635281;1398184083;mircea_popescu;and generally, it's a knife. it allows to cleave reality and the problems of reality into easier to manage bits.
635282;1398184101;mircea_popescu;say, the "problem" of x. well... how mcuh of it actually is economical ? that much should be resolved economically.
635283;1398184113;mircea_popescu;the rest is probably emotional ? or political ? or whatever the fuck else.
635284;1398184127;mircea_popescu;suddenly reality is actionable, which is what makes great science.
635285;1398184130;mircea_popescu;(and science great)
635286;1398184148;ThickAsThieves;so, it's basic first use would be as a test
635287;1398184153;ThickAsThieves;is this an economy or not, etc
635288;1398184179;ThickAsThieves;altough you do already claim it is the first real economy
635289;1398184207;benkay;good grief it's like everyone disappeared for three days and then came back and pooped it all out on the logs
635290;1398184211;mircea_popescu;which claim is that ? i make som any
635291;1398184211;benkay;STAHP FOR LOVE OF CHRIST
635292;1398184220;mircea_popescu;benkay shuttup and read biotch.
635293;1398184244;ThickAsThieves;"It is important to bear in mind however that Bitcoin is merely a tool, that what we’re truly interested in is creating - for the first time in perhaps as long as two centuries - an actual, working economy"
635294;1398184267;ThickAsThieves;so not as sweeping as i said
635295;1398184272;ThickAsThieves;but pretty broad
635296;1398184278;mircea_popescu;yeah. the objection there is not so different from tlp's objection that medicalisation of welfare.
635297;1398184296;mircea_popescu;there's been a trend to economize welfare, and that just muddies up everything
635298;1398184327;mircea_popescu;not to mention the economization of politics, whereby politics are resisted or promoted on alleged economic grounds.
635299;1398184337;mircea_popescu;most of the debate dealing with strictly uneconomic matters.
635300;1398184350;benkay;and the economic matters rarely have data on which to base claims.
635301;1398184351;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if this could be applied to mmporg guilds, maybe your Rift guild is missing a punishment gazette
635302;1398184385;mircea_popescu;it kinda has it, very rudimentarily, as the kick log say.
635303;1398184386;benkay;the takeaway for me from the piketty stuff (if anyone cares) is that claims about how money flows are all hot air and lacking in data.
635304;1398184396;mircea_popescu;o wow ThickAsThieves check this shit out :
635305;1398184410;ThickAsThieves;wait, but is punishment gazette the proper term?
635306;1398184422;benkay;humiliation blotter?
635307;1398184423;mircea_popescu;i CREATED IT because we have an open guild bank where anyone can take out a stack, but you're not supposed to take out the WHOLE stack of things you can use 1-2 of
635308;1398184425;ThickAsThieves;for isn't a positive note possible? and useful?
635309;1398184434;mircea_popescu;so i put a note on a guy's "officer notesd" place that hey, you took all our x runes wtf
635310;1398184437;mircea_popescu;and he put them back.
635311;1398184440;mircea_popescu;so there the fuck you go.
635312;1398184443;ThickAsThieves;hah
635313;1398184449;mircea_popescu;this theory is useful in design : how to make better mmorpgs.
635314;1398184453;mircea_popescu;or countries.
635315;1398184459;mircea_popescu;just like, you know, the original adam smith.
635316;1398184465;ThickAsThieves;but
635317;1398184479;ThickAsThieves;then it starts looking like, everything is an economy
635318;1398184485;ThickAsThieves;which you are saying is foolish already
635319;1398184495;mircea_popescu;anyway, a "gazette" is this ancient term of "where all the matters of record are published"
635320;1398184508;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves everything that moves has some economic part
635321;1398184508;ThickAsThieves;right but you call it punishment
635322;1398184512;mircea_popescu;much like it has an engine.
635323;1398184529;fluffypony;yeah, the issue is with the "punishment" part, not the gazette part
635324;1398184542;ThickAsThieves;so maybe i reword to, any organized effort could benefit from a properly implemented economy
635325;1398184549;mircea_popescu;punishment is any action upon an agent that happens irrespective of the will of that agent
635326;1398184556;mircea_popescu;which is why i'd say punishment is the proper term.
635327;1398184561;mircea_popescu;you don't need me to rate me.
635328;1398184575;ThickAsThieves;i punish you with my appreciation
635329;1398184586;mircea_popescu;sure. maybe i don't want it.
635330;1398184603;mircea_popescu;suppose pirate came back and went ;;rate ThickAsThieves 6 trusted guy helped me launder money
635331;1398184635;ThickAsThieves;i get what youre saying,
635332;1398184642;ThickAsThieves;but i think you might be choosing the wrong word
635333;1398184676;ThickAsThieves;no definition of punishment i know would include a positive rating
635334;1398184698;ThickAsThieves;whether you want to twist a positive rating into being a punishment seems to me, another thing
635335;1398184730;ThickAsThieves;you want your gazette to be impartial and permanent in and of itself
635336;1398184736;fluffypony;maybe actaque non persona is better?
635337;1398184745;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well... so maybe the definition is broken you know ?
635338;1398184749;ThickAsThieves;lol
635339;1398184766;ThickAsThieves;says the guy who wants people to look up words and use them properly
635340;1398184775;mircea_popescu;but this is properly ;/
635341;1398184782;ThickAsThieves;and you are the dicstionary
635342;1398184790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00098314 = 10.2247 BTC [-]
635343;1398184790;mircea_popescu;well so what else
635344;1398184797;cgcardona_;;;ticker
635345;1398184798;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.5, Best ask: 494.5, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 493.5, 24 hour volume: 6797.65308914, 24 hour low: 489.77, 24 hour high: 504.9, 24 hour vwap: 496.41813442
635346;1398184799;mircea_popescu;gazzette d'actaque non persona
635347;1398184801;benkay;(dicktionary)
635348;1398184807;fluffypony;there
635349;1398184812;fluffypony;I like that
635350;1398184813;mircea_popescu;benkay fucktionary!
635351;1398184819;fluffypony;much better than punishment gazette
635352;1398184823;ThickAsThieves;fictionary
635353;1398184848;mircea_popescu;!up VictorM
635354;1398184848;assbot;Voicing VictorM for 30 minutes.
635355;1398184864;fluffypony;;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 punishment for always being in #bitcoin-assets
635356;1398184866;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
635357;1398184875;ThickAsThieves;lol
635358;1398184882;mircea_popescu;it definitely fits the crime...
635359;1398184894;fluffypony;;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 punishment for always being in #bitcoin-assets
635360;1398184895;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded.
635361;1398184897;ThickAsThieves;we are all born sinners after all!
635362;1398184921;mircea_popescu;briar patch gazette
635363;1398184929;ThickAsThieves;hey look, even my handle has added depth now
635364;1398184931;mircea_popescu;tbh i was tempted to outright call it a wot.
635365;1398184933;ThickAsThieves;thick as thieves
635366;1398184979;cgcardona_;wod web-of-distrust
635367;1398184984;mircea_popescu;the trouble is that wot is a horrible name, as it's not OF TRUST in the obvious sense, but in the other one. and it'd seem to discuss the actual web, rather than its notation.
635368;1398184994;ThickAsThieves;agreed
635369;1398184997;fluffypony;yeah
635370;1398185008;mircea_popescu;like the web is the set of websites, not the set of human knowledge
635371;1398185011;ThickAsThieves;the Trust part leads to noobs using it wrong
635372;1398185013;mircea_popescu;but the wot seems more the latter. yeah.
635373;1398185029;fluffypony;let's call it the Bitcoin Social Network instead :-P
635374;1398185030;mircea_popescu;the truth being that this shit's so bleedin' advanced ... we are without words.
635375;1398185035;mircea_popescu;or urmom.
635376;1398185044;mircea_popescu;we could call it urmom gazelle.
635377;1398185052;fluffypony;"I rated you a 2 on urmom gazelle"
635378;1398185075;ThickAsThieves;whatd they call those medievil books for documenting the deeds of kings, etc
635379;1398185078;cgcardona_;web-of-connections
635380;1398185079;mircea_popescu;i'm making urmom a better gazelle than the wot ever was, bish.
635381;1398185091;benkay;"the wot"?
635382;1398185094;benkay;"the what?"
635383;1398185097;fluffypony;u wot m8
635384;1398185100;benkay;"no, are you in the wot?"
635385;1398185104;cgcardona_;wotupwidit
635386;1398185107;mircea_popescu;like a chronicle ?
635387;1398185108;benkay;"i'm asking you what i'm in!?"
635388;1398185117;ThickAsThieves;maybe
635389;1398185134;benkay;"let's try this again. does anyone in the wot know you?"
635390;1398185138;mircea_popescu;i guess this is actually it.
635391;1398185140;benkay;"WHAT WHAT?!"
635392;1398185148;mircea_popescu;benkay in the batt.
635393;1398185162;fluffypony;benkay: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/307/189/6fe.jpg
635394;1398185175;mircea_popescu;.bait ed breath
635395;1398185176;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/f4cc07dd827c081390b84292fc5a14df/tumblr_miug64DweK1r5bmaso1_500.jpg
635396;1398185202;ThickAsThieves;she looks like she just had a nice fart
635397;1398185202;fluffypony;Network of Awesomeness
635398;1398185204;fluffypony;NoA
635399;1398185214;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yeah not bad. bated fart.
635400;1398185221;benkay;"are you in the no?"
635401;1398185223;benkay;the know?
635402;1398185231;mircea_popescu;"are you in the no?" "yes"
635403;1398185251;ThickAsThieves;what's the password? what.
635404;1398185278;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 150 @ 0.00135202 = 0.2028 BTC [+]
635405;1398185290;fluffypony;"the no is like the wot"
635406;1398185335;ThickAsThieves;you know what is fucking criminal?
635407;1398185338;ThickAsThieves;Opt Out
635408;1398185366;ThickAsThieves;ATT sends me email about some privacy shiz and says "To allow AT&T to use your CPNI, no further action is required. "
635409;1398185398;mircea_popescu;evil.
635410;1398185418;ThickAsThieves;so TOL again (thinking out loud)
635411;1398185431;ThickAsThieves;should i be able to add someone to the WoT myself
635412;1398185436;ThickAsThieves;like AT&T
635413;1398185441;ThickAsThieves;so i can negrate them?
635414;1398185459;mircea_popescu;this would be fucking ideal, but unfortunately it'd yield fragmentation.
635415;1398185469;mircea_popescu;the wot already has a massive zooke triangle problem
635416;1398185483;ThickAsThieves;this seems to be a problem to me
635417;1398185494;ThickAsThieves;the chronicles didnt require a king to auth
635418;1398185496;fluffypony;zooke triangle? google not giving me love
635419;1398185496;mircea_popescu;(and the fact good names aren't being squatted to fuck amazes me, and it is a testament to the fundamental economic ineptitude of geeks)
635420;1398185532;benkay;seeking greater ev
635421;1398185537;mircea_popescu;fluffypony a naming system can be secure, memorable and global
635422;1398185539;ThickAsThieves;it is the chronicle that needed to be auth'd, or the rater
635423;1398185539;mircea_popescu;pick two
635424;1398185547;benkay;hey so i have my conjectures but how the hell does this work: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/this-tower-pulls-drinking-water-out-of-thin-air-180950399/ ?
635425;1398185549;fluffypony;ah
635426;1398185559;mircea_popescu;benkay condensation ?
635427;1398185582;ThickAsThieves;it says so right on the caption
635428;1398185593;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves the chronicles didn't work that fucking well, either.
635429;1398185599;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: maybe the WoT should allow rating someone unknown based on their public GPG key, if it is known?
635430;1398185606;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves lol i didn't click. i guess he's a slow reader.
635431;1398185617;mircea_popescu;fluffypony only one way to verify it is them.
635432;1398185620;benkay;mircea_popescu: what delta-t is it leveraging, though?
635433;1398185633;benkay;ground?
635434;1398185634;mircea_popescu;the problem here is that people interact with an entity calling itself at&t and using a non-gribble method of authing.
635435;1398185657;mircea_popescu;so now trust is created that's not wot-based. so in a sense old people are attacking the wot through being... stupid.
635436;1398185661;mircea_popescu;this will go away on its own.
635437;1398185677;ThickAsThieves;yeah, i think it's only a temporary problem
635438;1398185680;mircea_popescu;already good software is gpg based as a matter of course. so what if microsoft doesn't want to sign ?
635439;1398185685;ThickAsThieves;but temporary is relative...
635440;1398185705;ThickAsThieves;but basically att not being in the wor, makes them a scammer
635441;1398185722;ThickAsThieves;but we have no competitors in the wot either
635442;1398185784;benkay;(someone start a cell company!)
635443;1398185791;ThickAsThieves;lol, you have to actually tick a box on the opt out page https://www.att.com/ecpnioptout/InitiateCPNIForm.action
635444;1398185802;ThickAsThieves;it already has no other purpose
635445;1398185955;fluffypony;I see ICANN now forces you to verify your email if you list your actual contact details on your domain
635446;1398185963;fluffypony;at least, with the domains I registered today I had to
635447;1398185975;fluffypony;because email addresses are hard to create.
635448;1398186437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15421 @ 0.00098314 = 15.161 BTC [-]
635449;1398186951;benkay;did pLambert ever sort out the signature of that testament?
635450;1398187053;TomServo;signed with a weak key, last I saw.
635451;1398187082;benkay;was this the key that didn't match the wot key associated with the name?
635452;1398187083;benkay;and also
635453;1398187092;benkay;;;seen mrs tick ball
635454;1398187092;gribble;(seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
635455;1398187096;benkay;;;seen mrstickball
635456;1398187096;gribble;mrstickball was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 hours, 27 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <mrstickball> 107 PH.... nice
635457;1398187597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00098403 = 11.3655 BTC [+] {2} 
635458;1398187603;mrstickball;hi
635459;1398187692;mrstickball;;;gettrust mrstickblal
635460;1398187693;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mrstickball to user mrstickblal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mrstickball&dest=mrstickblal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickblal | Rated since: never
635461;1398187698;mrstickball;;;gettrust mrstickball
635462;1398187699;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mrstickball to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mrstickball&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul  5 18:09:54 2013
635463;1398187779;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.5245 = 6.294 BTC [-] {2} 
635464;1398187798;jurov;hahaha dat graph
635465;1398187874;benkay;infinity trust
635466;1398188137;benkay;what's the trilema line about business being insulated from the public?
635467;1398188141;benkay;mircea_popescu: ^^
635468;1398188154;benkay;early bitcoin post, talking about the 30B MPEx fee.
635469;1398188633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00098082 = 17.9 BTC [-] {3} 
635470;1398188945;mircea_popescu;uh
635471;1398188981;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema "poisonous offering"
635472;1398188982;gribble;Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/>; Strategic superiority, a saga pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/strategic-superiority-a-saga/>; The Ukranian Trilemma - Canadian International Council: <http://opencanada.org/features/the-think-tank/comments (1 more message)
635473;1398188984;mircea_popescu;that ?
635474;1398189121;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 20 @ 0.14 = 2.8 BTC
635475;1398189122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21093 @ 0.00098456 = 20.7673 BTC [+]
635476;1398189193;ThickAsThieves;http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/maidsafe-embroiled-safecoin-presale-mastercoin-pump-dump/2014/04/22
635477;1398189286;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: I'm so surprised, and I'm sure bitcoinpete will be too
635478;1398189291;fluffypony;he had such high hopes for the project
635479;1398189416;fluffypony;https://blockchain.info/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E
635480;1398189417;ozbot;Bitcoin Address 1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E
635481;1398189417;ThickAsThieves;to all, would you be interested in free Altcoin stickers? note that this would involve providing a mailing address to me or an intermediary
635482;1398189418;fluffypony;wtf
635483;1398189423;fluffypony;4460 BTC so far?
635484;1398189459;kakobrekla;see, i told you retards still have ze money.
635485;1398189495;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: I'd love some, can I reimburse you for them?
635486;1398189545;mircea_popescu;what is that addy anyway ?
635487;1398189561;ThickAsThieves;i could provide a tip address after the fact or such, but no payment would be required
635488;1398189576;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: the maidsafe address
635489;1398189587;fluffypony;from http://www.safecoin.io
635490;1398189648;ThickAsThieves;it's funny how maidsafe will no longer accept mastercoins, the very platform they chose
635491;1398189827;ThickAsThieves;DarkMarket is a decentralised P2P marketplace which cannot be shut down. It can be joined by anyone and in many respects it looks rather mature, with identity and reputation rankings, seller pages, multisig escrow, private messaging and privacy features.
635492;1398189891;mircea_popescu;is it the first and biggest ?
635493;1398189925;fluffypony;assbot: is it amazing?
635494;1398189925;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
635495;1398189958;ThickAsThieves;it's the taaki-est
635496;1398189960;ThickAsThieves;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHVqH8XO1Pk
635497;1398189960;ozbot;Airbitz & Libbitcoin Team Up to Create DarkMarket - YouTube
635498;1398190003;mircea_popescu;ahahaha WHAT
635499;1398190008;jborkl;mircea , got last block, time since last bloc and unconfirmed added also :)
635500;1398190030;mircea_popescu;people are like their worst fucking punishments
635501;1398190048;ThickAsThieves;i actually have a saying
635502;1398190059;ThickAsThieves;The life a man leads is punishment enough.
635503;1398190130;ThickAsThieves;the context is more around calming people down when they get all angry about welfare exploiters and such
635504;1398190255;ThickAsThieves;haha darkwallet gets a bsod during the presentation
635505;1398190287;jborkl;*rename darkwallet bluewallet
635506;1398190361;ThickAsThieves;!up only
635507;1398190361;assbot;Voicing only for 30 minutes.
635508;1398190417;only;mircea_popescu: not gonna fly, darkmarket?
635509;1398190484;jborkl;Darkmeat
635510;1398190506;jborkl;Darkmeet <- now that is a good pun
635511;1398190521;jborkl;stupid maid service
635512;1398190524;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06445866 = 0.1289 BTC [-]
635513;1398190551;mircea_popescu;only seems improbable.
635514;1398190554;ThickAsThieves;well according to the Popescu Theory of Economics, DarkMarket is missing at least a public forum
635515;1398190581;ThickAsThieves;after that i'd have questions about privacy over the system
635516;1398190586;mircea_popescu;im sure they have where to whine at each other
635517;1398190597;ThickAsThieves;well they have private disupte resolution
635518;1398190603;ThickAsThieves;dispute*
635519;1398190608;ThickAsThieves;didnt mention forum
635520;1398190614;ThickAsThieves;but would be an easy add
635521;1398190627;mircea_popescu;anyway, i hope taaki doesn't end up sending intenret hitmen to kill me or something
635522;1398190638;ThickAsThieves;just pay them more
635523;1398190648;ThickAsThieves;to hit him back
635524;1398190657;ThickAsThieves;CREAM
635525;1398190663;TomServo;lol
635526;1398190665;mircea_popescu;lol
635527;1398190672;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-99226
635528;1398190672;ozbot;A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
635529;1398190676;mircea_popescu;this is actually a pretty good q.
635530;1398190707;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 33 @ 0.00757584 = 0.25 BTC [-] {4} 
635531;1398190772;only;so decentralizing a marketplace is another shitty pipe dream?
635532;1398190890;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06410013 = 0.1923 BTC [-] {2} 
635533;1398190955;ThickAsThieves;depends what your expectation/definition of decentralization is i suppose
635534;1398191012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16644 @ 0.00098898 = 16.4606 BTC [+]
635535;1398191134;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.528745 = 2.115 BTC [+] {3} 
635536;1398191195;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5317 BTC [+]
635537;1398191246;bounce;to some people "decentralised" is a buzzword. "it must be decentralised!" -- yeah, sure. leaving aside the "how" for a moment (you did think that one through, didn't you?), there's the "then what?" as in how'd you use that in practice? did you just go from a single point of failure to N of those? how does that make the situation better? what if something goes wrong, someone rips you off, et cetera?
635538;1398191277;Naphex;i cant wait for decentralized voip with pay2relay telephony
635539;1398191297;only;ThickAsThieves: decentralizing the platform (similar to twister) and the escrow
635540;1398191332;jurov;benkay: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_well_%28condenser%29
635541;1398191332;ThickAsThieves;well you cant decentralize escrow
635542;1398191345;bounce;there's also the revenue model. who'll benefit? thence, who'll build the thing?
635543;1398191356;only;ThickAsThieves: www.bitrated.com
635544;1398191416;dexX7;bitrated relies on a third party as mediator
635545;1398191427;ThickAsThieves;the 3rd party is the escrow
635546;1398191449;Naphex;set up community tribunal
635547;1398191456;Naphex;for mediations
635548;1398191463;Naphex;for the lulz
635549;1398191489;bounce;that'll be a riot.
635550;1398191500;ThickAsThieves;wouldnt you rather have one person that is good at it, than 50 that suck or are ill actors?
635551;1398191511;only;ThickAsThieves: as long as the 3rd party can be anyone, isn't it enough?
635552;1398191523;ThickAsThieves;that's not decentralization
635553;1398191565;ThickAsThieves;decntralization would be distributing the risk, not necessarily randomizing it
635554;1398191567;benkay;jurov this thing'd be a radiative collector then?
635555;1398191592;Naphex;a normal market with escrow/mediations and marketable ads is enough imho
635556;1398191602;ThickAsThieves;some things are worse off decentralized
635557;1398191602;jurov;yes. but it tihnk the numbers are BS
635558;1398191614;Naphex;yet we still dont have that
635559;1398191639;jurov;it can get few liters per night  at most
635560;1398191663;only;ThickAsThieves: but how is it worse off by being decentralized?
635561;1398191686;ThickAsThieves;which "it" do you mean?
635562;1398191747;ThickAsThieves;bounce may have already summed it up though
635563;1398191773;only;ThickAsThieves: it =  consumer-to-consumer marketplace
635564;1398191774;jurov;me? i was replying to benkays' water tower sry
635565;1398191805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06395923 = 0.6396 BTC [-]
635566;1398191815;ThickAsThieves;we hadnt discussed the overall decentralizing of a marketplace as a bad thing
635567;1398191823;benkay;;;gettrust only
635568;1398191824;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user only: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=only | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=only | Rated since: Mon Feb 17 18:33:39 2014
635569;1398191827;dexX7;well trustless cross-chain trading is possible (sort of) as well as colored coins <> btc markets
635570;1398191860;ThickAsThieves;it would involve dentralizing the software and content
635571;1398191866;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06395923 = 0.1919 BTC [-]
635572;1398191878;ThickAsThieves;and then ensuring security and privacy
635573;1398191889;ThickAsThieves;which is where their plan is most likely to fail
635574;1398191898;ThickAsThieves;but i havent seen their method
635575;1398191946;ThickAsThieves;they'd also need to provide same security and privacy to any host of the pieces of the system
635576;1398191999;ThickAsThieves;as in, if one person is selling weed in a jurisdiction he is not allowed, and you are host to that, you are now a target
635577;1398192152;only;not to mention the kiddie porn
635578;1398192277;ThickAsThieves;well that raises another point, if it's really decentralized, how is it moderated?
635579;1398192302;ThickAsThieves;not saying it HAS to be moderated
635580;1398192323;ThickAsThieves;but...
635581;1398192358;dexX7;what are you referring to by "it"?
635582;1398192402;ThickAsThieves;the market
635583;1398192407;ThickAsThieves;and its contents
635584;1398192462;davout;!up only
635585;1398192462;assbot;Voicing only for 30 minutes.
635586;1398192464;jborkl;Now, the company's critics have fresh ammunition because of this same executive. A federal judge in Kansas has ruled that the man in question, Sonny Vleisides, violated the terms of his probation in the lottery scam case. As a result, Vleisides’ probation—previously slated to end in September 2013—will now continue for another two years.
635587;1398193223;mircea_popescu;yeah what bounce said.
635588;1398193257;mircea_popescu;Naphex> set up community tribunal << you know how well that worked, do you.
635589;1398193276;mircea_popescu;<only> ThickAsThieves: as long as the 3rd party can be anyone, isn't it enough? << definitely not.
635590;1398193782;ThickAsThieves;Blockchain Strikes Five Year Deal to Exclusively Manage Bitcoin.com
635591;1398193788;ThickAsThieves;(.info)
635592;1398193818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10437 @ 0.00098898 = 10.322 BTC [+]
635593;1398193940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2507 @ 0.00098782 = 2.4765 BTC [-]
635594;1398193966;Naphex;hehe
635595;1398193976;Naphex;mircea_popescu: league of legends
635596;1398193995;Naphex;the game actually set up a community tribunal
635597;1398194039;Naphex;and its filled with the funniest things ever.
635598;1398194306;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03074998 = 0.369 BTC [+] {4} 
635599;1398194331;Naphex;so let the users post evidence and yell, and let the community decide :D
635600;1398194550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40673 @ 0.00098103 = 39.9014 BTC [-] {2} 
635601;1398194550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 14 @ 0.00800009 = 0.112 BTC [-] {4} 
635602;1398194938;fluffypony;http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/dogecoin-memes-versus-reality/2014/02/24
635603;1398194953;fluffypony;" 75% of the total number of all Dogecoins are held by 0.75% of investors AND this inequity has been INCREASING"
635604;1398195009;dexX7;afaik the lol tribunal works quite well and reduced toxic player behavior greatly
635605;1398195216;fluffypony;!up only
635606;1398195216;assbot;Voicing only for 30 minutes.
635607;1398195251;only;thanks fluffypony
635608;1398195262;fluffypony;no problemo
635609;1398195334;mircea_popescu;Naphex http://trilema.com/category/rota/
635610;1398195356;fluffypony;didn't the rota only have 1 case?
635611;1398195364;fluffypony;I would've loved to have seen more
635612;1398195396;mircea_popescu;fluffypony it's actually a measure of their thing failing. in the sense they can't pass off the scamcoin fast enough for their dump-and-dillute engine to actually extract enough value out of the environment to keep the ball rolling.
635613;1398195409;mircea_popescu;fluffypony yeah, only one case. i suspect now i built it the wrong way,
635614;1398195424;dexX7;what would you make different next time?
635615;1398195425;mircea_popescu;because YES loltribunals do work, not just on league of legends, but here too.
635616;1398195428;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: that article really tears the coin apart...gets a little weird in places, but makes REALLY good points
635617;1398195438;mircea_popescu;dexX7 i think it'd look a lot more like bitcoin-assets.
635618;1398195522;dexX7;the lol tribunal is so many dimensions less complex than "real" cases so i'm not sure, if it's possible to draw conclusions based on that
635619;1398195537;only;"bounce: there's also the revenue model. who'll benefit? thence, who'll build the thing?" - can't one hard code an escrow commission into a p2p app?
635620;1398195562;fluffypony;hard code can be changed
635621;1398195576;bounce;then do so. :-)
635622;1398195579;bounce;http://www.forexminute.com/bitcoin/coinfloor-mulling-plan-to-launch-new-bitcoin-market-for-institutional-investors-29676
635623;1398195582;ozbot;Coinfloor Mulling Plan to Launch New Bitcoin Market for Institutional Investors | Forex Minute - Fin
635624;1398195613;bounce;then again, if it's p2p, and now you get to pay someone else for the privilege of hosting the service yourself, er, why'd you use the app at all?
635625;1398195708;only;you pay that someone for the privilege of using the app he coded
635626;1398195726;only;unless there is a free alternative
635627;1398195784;only;but why would anyone build one (your argument)
635628;1398195953;mircea_popescu;bounce lol. who the fuck is coinfloor again
635629;1398195954;chetty;http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/vkontakte-founder-durov-flees-russia-with-no-plans-to-return/498715.html
635630;1398195987;mircea_popescu;chetty wb!
635631;1398195995;mircea_popescu;people missed you in timisoara
635632;1398196018;chetty;thanks MP, yeah bummer I miss all the fun
635633;1398196112;bounce;https://coinfloor.co.uk/team says mark lamb, obi nwosu, amadeo pellicce, and "the team" (among them james "nefario" mccarthy as "senior developer")
635634;1398196159;mircea_popescu;all famous btc people nobody's heard of.
635635;1398196191;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-99228 you gotta read this srsly i'm creaming my pants over here.
635636;1398196546;davout;!up Oleanie
635637;1398196546;assbot;Voicing Oleanie for 30 minutes.
635638;1398196571;Oleanie;;;rate davout 2
635639;1398196573;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user davout has been recorded.
635640;1398196601;dexX7;<only> can you please voice me?
635641;1398196621;davout;!up only
635642;1398196621;assbot;Voice for only extended to 30 minutes.
635643;1398196776;only;davout, dexX7 was already voiced, but thanks
635644;1398196811;dexX7;ah, only saw your query a few seconds ago and didn't really notice
635645;1398196876;bounce;such spamm0r
635646;1398196889;bounce;lucky this isn't -otc then eh
635647;1398196990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00097978 = 26.4541 BTC [-] {3} 
635648;1398197023;ThickAsThieves;<+Oleanie> ;;rate davout 2 /// haha davout only gets a 2 from his better half
635649;1398197173;davout;ThickAsThieves: yea, teach your gf GPG, end up in an argument about how she only got rated 3
635650;1398197239;ThickAsThieves;so by Mirceanomics, Bitcoin is an economy itself, right?
635651;1398197263;ThickAsThieves;bitcoins being the medium, blockchain the gazette, mining the forum?
635652;1398197276;jurov;how is blockchain the gazette?
635653;1398197289;ThickAsThieves;it is a record of all transactions
635654;1398197299;ThickAsThieves;including unsuccessful ones, no?
635655;1398197316;TomServo;I thought he suggested the WoT was the gazette, and this chan the forum
635656;1398197327;chetty;lmao Mirceanomics, a new school is born
635657;1398197334;jurov;i understood the gazette as transaction history *with human sematics*
635658;1398197335;bounce;haven't really paid attention to exactly what putin said in response to snowden, but them russkies don't appear to engage in dragnet-and-store type surveillance. they know very well who they're after and they're good at it, if not very subtle.
635659;1398197336;ThickAsThieves;i'm applying it, not defining it tomservo
635660;1398197356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18893 @ 0.00098165 = 18.5463 BTC [+] {2} 
635661;1398197369;jurov;bounce you saw they just openly snatched vkontakte?
635662;1398197379;bounce;yeah I read that link
635663;1398197427;ThickAsThieves;if the theory can be applied to the Sun and elements, surely applying it to the Bitcoin system isn't absurd
635664;1398197434;jurov;only and anybody else: if you have significant coinbr volume amd want voice, ask me
635665;1398197453;ThickAsThieves;i have a feeling though, this theory will end up distilling into one that already exists
635666;1398197491;bounce;jurov's trade for ratings programme, now with volume discounts
635667;1398197547;jurov;>:D
635668;1398197548;chetty;ThickAsThieves, yup, nothing new under the sun. But this version has less trash attached
635669;1398197611;jurov;but it reserve the right to decide. even tiberiusiv had some coinbr volume
635670;1398197617;jurov;*I reserve
635671;1398197684;ThickAsThieves;jurov, also the blockchain does allow storage of text
635672;1398197783;jurov;hmmm but it does not allow negative ratings
635673;1398197800;ThickAsThieves;mirceanomics speaks nothing of ratings
635674;1398197810;jurov;unless everyone agrees on special protocol for the O_RETURN text
635675;1398197817;ThickAsThieves;only punishments
635676;1398197884;jurov;ooookay , so i'll rephrase specially for you
635677;1398197905;jurov;it does not allow punishment records, unless...etc
635678;1398197934;ThickAsThieves;could you say that an orhpaned block or unconfirmed tx is a punishment?
635679;1398197935;jurov;!up sunshyne
635680;1398197935;assbot;Voicing sunshyne for 30 minutes.
635681;1398197944;jurov;nope
635682;1398197958;ThickAsThieves;why not?
635683;1398197982;jurov;how can you cause orhpaned block or unconfirmed tx on purpose whne someone scams you?
635684;1398198001;jurov;unless you're kncminer
635685;1398198034;ThickAsThieves;i'm merely trying to see whether Bitcoin would qualify as another echo to apply it to, not whether it fits a perfect example
635686;1398198043;ThickAsThieves;like the Sun example
635687;1398198057;ThickAsThieves;you wont get hydrogen reporting helium for scamming
635688;1398198102;ThickAsThieves;i think whether it applies might lead to other interesting things
635689;1398198126;ThickAsThieves;i've got this hammer now, and trying to sort out what it can smash and what it can build
635690;1398198138;ThickAsThieves;or whether it's a hammer at all
635691;1398198147;ThickAsThieves;maybe it's a ruler
635692;1398198157;ThickAsThieves;maybe it's a cloud of smoke
635693;1398198171;jurov;youre stretching it too extreme... then the blackhole is punishment gazette too
635694;1398198193;jurov;if the theory that hawking radiation carries information about whatever fell in
635695;1398198198;jurov;is correct
635696;1398198211;jurov;*and* you wait 10^10^100 years or so
635697;1398198262;ThickAsThieves;to give you an example of what i mean
635698;1398198270;ThickAsThieves;say bitcoin is an economy
635699;1398198271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 106 @ 0.03112262 = 3.299 BTC [-] {4} 
635700;1398198280;ThickAsThieves;is the gazette itself also one? could it be?
635701;1398198288;ThickAsThieves;same for he forum
635702;1398198330;jurov;i'd think about real world example like pirate's coins or gox coins
635703;1398198332;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+]
635704;1398198368;Naphex;http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/upshot/the-american-middle-class-is-no-longer-the-worlds-richest.html
635705;1398198369;jurov;even if they managed to mark them in the blockchain
635706;1398198393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12294 @ 0.00098721 = 12.1368 BTC [+] {2} 
635707;1398198395;jurov;we need extra-blockchain information to assess them
635708;1398198456;jurov;you won't get useful info whether to trust gox from only some "mtgox" tag
635709;1398198507;jurov;you need karpeles' head on the pike plus public record what he did
635710;1398198576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4398 @ 0.00098398 = 4.3275 BTC [-]
635711;1398198607;chetty;karpeles record is pretty public
635712;1398198692;ThickAsThieves;jurov i somewhat disagree
635713;1398198710;ThickAsThieves;(note i'm taking this position for sake of the debate, i have no conclusion)
635714;1398198739;ThickAsThieves;first, the theory doesnt require consensus judgment and punishment (head on pike)
635715;1398198753;ThickAsThieves;it only requires communicating the actions punishable
635716;1398198774;ThickAsThieves;"punishment" in its terms are merely individually given
635717;1398198807;ThickAsThieves;and then those would then be interpreted separately by any individual user
635718;1398198822;ThickAsThieves;i may decide mark's head didnt belong on a pike
635719;1398198832;ThickAsThieves;you may express you think it should be piked
635720;1398198834;ThickAsThieves;et
635721;1398198835;ThickAsThieves;c
635722;1398198865;ThickAsThieves;[16:26] <+jurov> we need extra-blockchain information to assess them  /// do we? each address may function as a user/reputation
635723;1398198888;ThickAsThieves;and we do have a source for extra-info, the bitcoin software
635724;1398198935;ThickAsThieves;it's interesting to me to see how much the 3 separate elements would/could function as economies themselves, and how their traits might converge
635725;1398198948;ThickAsThieves;as in the gazette now wants to be decentalized, like bitcoin
635726;1398198956;mircea_popescu;o hey
635727;1398198958;chetty;if the judgement is individual isnt the choice of information source also individual?
635728;1398198971;ThickAsThieves;well just use the WoT for reference
635729;1398198982;jurov;okay, my another objection is that rating is not done at the same time as transaction
635730;1398198986;ThickAsThieves;is the gazette also an economy?
635731;1398198996;mircea_popescu;;;rate Oleanie 1 liked my rose
635732;1398198997;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Oleanie has been recorded.
635733;1398199009;ThickAsThieves;jurov that's also not a requirement of the theory as stated
635734;1398199043;jurov;no that was my objection to using current bitcoin blockchain
635735;1398199045;ThickAsThieves;no requirement to be timely in your rating
635736;1398199072;mircea_popescu;<ThickAsThieves> bitcoins being the medium, blockchain the gazette, mining the forum? << it's a very limited economy at that, but i guess so.
635737;1398199112;ThickAsThieves;if the WoT is decentralized, and has verification methods, signing, identities, etc, and bitcoin also does, they start to converge in their features
635738;1398199117;mircea_popescu;<ThickAsThieves> i have a feeling though, this theory will end up distilling into one that already exists << kinda cxurious about this myself.
635739;1398199136;ThickAsThieves;(bitcoin and the WoT)
635740;1398199146;mircea_popescu;<jurov> hmmm but it does not allow negative ratings << 0 to 20, -10 to 10, no diff.
635741;1398199186;jurov;yes that's the protocol that must be agreed upon
635742;1398199220;ThickAsThieves;what might be the medium of exchange in the WoT? Rating points, right?
635743;1398199247;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it has no medium of exchange it'd seem, because points are created and destroyed
635744;1398199257;mircea_popescu;bitcoins, you will note, are never destroyed. neiuther is gold.
635745;1398199266;ThickAsThieves;maybe just requires creative interpretation
635746;1398199291;mircea_popescu;neither are fiat bills (not in the sense of the physical bill, but in the sense of it being authorised, it'll get reprinted, and trhe bill is that trademark that spawns the authirisation)
635747;1398199293;jurov;blockchain.info's "taint analysis" is very crude implementation of WoT, perhaps?
635748;1398199300;ThickAsThieves;every user has 40 points they can work with, unto any other user
635749;1398199307;ThickAsThieves;you cant create them
635750;1398199310;ThickAsThieves;only allocate
635751;1398199314;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves this is what someone was proposing at conference, when i introduced fain
635752;1398199322;mircea_popescu;and how constants don't work
635753;1398199331;mircea_popescu;so no, that's what it is : it isn't a wot because it can't be
635754;1398199359;ThickAsThieves;<+mircea_popescu> <ThickAsThieves> i have a feeling though, this theory will end up distilling into one that already exists << kinda cxurious about this myself. /// one thing it reminds me of is your basic escrow deal
635755;1398199362;benkay;fain?
635756;1398199365;benkay;mircea_popescu: ^^
635757;1398199387;mircea_popescu;benkay for years before and some time during bitcoin i had a romanian language digg style thing.
635758;1398199391;mircea_popescu;it had no moderators and no spam.
635759;1398199414;benkay;no wai
635760;1398199417;mircea_popescu;yes wai.
635761;1398199420;benkay;perpetuum mobile
635762;1398199426;mircea_popescu;it drove most of .ro traffic at some point.
635763;1398199451;benkay;wow well extravagant claims etc. how'd you do that?
635764;1398199469;mircea_popescu;prop sauce, but basically it leveraged individual actions to evaluate everyone else's.
635765;1398199490;mircea_popescu;not so hard to distinguish machines from humans if your machine has a stable with many humans
635766;1398199527;ThickAsThieves;<+mircea_popescu> so no, that's what it is : it isn't a wot because it can't be /// well i can accumulate points no? and at any given time, a maximum amount can be had, and every time a user joins anew, the system inflates to accommodate
635767;1398199533;jurov;i'd extend a punishment gazette with 3. shared protocol and then maybe public forum can be simplified away
635768;1398199542;benkay;mircea_popescu: i assume the normal 'upvoting rings' developed and existed?
635769;1398199550;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves but any ounce of gold stays an ounce of gold permanently. where do your rating points go when they go ?
635770;1398199558;mircea_popescu;benkay not effectually, no.
635771;1398199564;mircea_popescu;let me dig some pretty graphs.
635772;1398199589;ThickAsThieves;my rating points are held by every user that hasnt given them to me yet
635773;1398199619;ThickAsThieves;if they take them away, they still exist
635774;1398199622;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/activitatea-utilizatorilor-pe-fain/
635775;1398199623;ozbot;Activitatea utilizatorilor pe fain pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
635776;1398199623;mircea_popescu;there.
635777;1398199645;benkay;pretty indeed.
635778;1398199654;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/sa-desenam-cu-fain/ same thing, earlier
635779;1398199655;ozbot;Sa desenam cu fain pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
635780;1398199660;benkay;are collusive rings in these content farms necessarily a bad thing?
635781;1398199712;ThickAsThieves;it's not a typical economy, cuz it has allocation idiosyncracies, but i'm not sure if that disqualifies it
635782;1398199713;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/istoria-unui-proiect-online/ user activity.
635783;1398199713;ozbot;Istoria unui proiect online pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
635784;1398199718;mircea_popescu;peaks at 10k comments/day
635785;1398199732;mircea_popescu;benkay no. they're only bad if they dominate
635786;1398199735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00098529 = 23.4006 BTC [+] {2} 
635787;1398199737;mircea_popescu;otherwise they form and dissolve naturally.
635788;1398199758;ThickAsThieves;in fact, don't people do things at times strictly for the points?
635789;1398199771;benkay;what drives formation/dissolution vs dominion?
635790;1398199796;jurov;!up cgcardona_
635791;1398199796;assbot;Voicing cgcardona_ for 30 minutes.
635792;1398199805;jurov;!up tyrion70
635793;1398199805;assbot;Voicing tyrion70 for 30 minutes.
635794;1398199810;cgcardona_;thank you
635795;1398199827;mrstickball;benkay: did you need me for anything?
635796;1398199880;ThickAsThieves;furthermore, <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves but any ounce of gold stays an ounce of gold permanently. where do your rating points go when they go ? /// where is it in your theory that this matters?
635797;1398199968;ThickAsThieves;also, i'm with jurov, i see some weakness in the gazette/forum definitions and separation
635798;1398199987;mircea_popescu;benkay that's ocmplicated.
635799;1398199991;ThickAsThieves;first, the gazette does not require identification in your definition
635800;1398200006;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves 3.it conserves over time.
635801;1398200010;ThickAsThieves;however psuedononymous, it may be, identification is required, right?
635802;1398200029;chetty;oh hey, they up the ante on why btc is bad
635803;1398200032;chetty;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2609971/Disturbing-new-internet-child-abuse-sees-toddlers-raped-burned-live-webcam-paedophiles-use-Bitcoin-stop-traced-warns-police-chief.html
635804;1398200032;ozbot;Europol director warns of paedophiles using Bitcoin to view webcams | Mail Online
635805;1398200040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15979 @ 0.00097873 = 15.6391 BTC [-] {2} 
635806;1398200052;cgcardona_;wow thats some url slug
635807;1398200061;mircea_popescu;chetty daily mail raped babies ?
635808;1398200077;mircea_popescu;outrageous. i hope the police catches up with them and gives them what for.
635809;1398200080;ThickAsThieves;hmm maybe i dont fully understand the conserving over time aspect
635810;1398200104;ThickAsThieves;you mean i can accumulate it?
635811;1398200107;mircea_popescu;you familiar with the conservation of energy ?
635812;1398200116;mircea_popescu;even if you expend it, it still goes somewhere.
635813;1398200127;ThickAsThieves;ah
635814;1398200146;ThickAsThieves;but didnt i cover that?
635815;1398200162;Naphex;http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-26707586
635816;1398200163;ozbot;BBC News - Nigeria: Police probe Ibadan 'house of horror'
635817;1398200169;mircea_popescu;well, if i unrate you now, where do the points go ?
635818;1398200184;ThickAsThieves;you took them from me
635819;1398200191;mircea_popescu;"About 150 soldiers from the 173rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team (Airborne), based in Italy, are heading to each of four countries — Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia — in rotational deployments that the Pentagon says will be sustained until further notice." herp.
635820;1398200196;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well so where are they ?
635821;1398200226;ThickAsThieves;the system doesnt need to track them visibly because the system allocates for each ouser in it
635822;1398200250;ThickAsThieves;for every user, every other user gets 20 neg coins and 20 pos coins
635823;1398200275;ThickAsThieves;each user may spend them on each other specific user only
635824;1398200300;ThickAsThieves;under the arrangement that you may also take them back
635825;1398200301;mircea_popescu;this breaks conservation.
635826;1398200340;ThickAsThieves;it doesnt just mean it's an economy with special rules?
635827;1398200351;mircea_popescu;nope.
635828;1398200356;mircea_popescu;it means it has no moe
635829;1398200358;ThickAsThieves;i mean i could certainly barter for rating points
635830;1398200397;ThickAsThieves;i could perform services for pos coins, etc
635831;1398200401;mircea_popescu;but your proposition was that the rating points are the moe.
635832;1398200413;mircea_popescu;if they don't conserve, they're not a moe.
635833;1398200430;mircea_popescu;kinda why doge is a dodgy scam : cause their coins don't conserve.
635834;1398200440;ThickAsThieves;so the fact that they can be taken back is where it breaks or?
635835;1398200445;ThickAsThieves;i missed the specific fault
635836;1398200467;mircea_popescu;the fact that the points do not conserve. think of a medium of exchange as a family.
635837;1398200473;mircea_popescu;while you can take kids or give them away
635838;1398200478;mircea_popescu;you can never kill one.
635839;1398200497;ThickAsThieves;when it is a rating point killed?
635840;1398200507;mircea_popescu;when you unrate whoever
635841;1398200513;ThickAsThieves;you took it back
635842;1398200516;ThickAsThieves;it still exists
635843;1398200521;ThickAsThieves;you can give it back to me right?
635844;1398200534;mircea_popescu;so you want 10 points for each user pair ?
635845;1398200540;ThickAsThieves;if it was killed, you couldnt give back to me
635846;1398200545;ThickAsThieves;therefore it's not killed
635847;1398200545;mircea_popescu;and each new user that joins creates n! coins ?
635848;1398200549;ThickAsThieves;right
635849;1398200560;mircea_popescu;you got any idea what n! computes to ?
635850;1398200567;ThickAsThieves;does it matter?
635851;1398200585;mircea_popescu;in a much softer sense than before, this'd be practical.
635852;1398200588;ThickAsThieves;thats why the economy has special rules
635853;1398200610;ThickAsThieves;it is, for lack of a better term, perfectly and dynamically balanced
635854;1398200614;mircea_popescu;i guess if your wotcoin actually works so that every user gets 10 coins for every other user present
635855;1398200620;mircea_popescu;then you technically can argue this is a moe.
635856;1398200625;ThickAsThieves;bam!
635857;1398200635;ThickAsThieves;so that's 2 out of 3
635858;1398200641;mircea_popescu;forums are very easy.
635859;1398200658;mircea_popescu;as much as an irc chan for your wotcoin can suffice.
635860;1398200674;mircea_popescu;takes 1 second.
635861;1398200685;ThickAsThieves;to spare me arguing for it, how do you explain forum is an economy?
635862;1398200702;mircea_popescu;"forum is an economy" wut ?
635863;1398200724;thestringpuller;uh
635864;1398200729;thestringpuller;i come back to read "forum is economy"
635865;1398200730;ThickAsThieves;my efforts here are to explore whether each of your 3 aspects are an economy themselves
635866;1398200751;ThickAsThieves;and in doing do, learn more about how they interact
635867;1398200760;mircea_popescu;for all we care 4chan or dtng were economies.
635868;1398200764;ThickAsThieves;and if one is not an economy whether that can polish the theory
635869;1398200773;mircea_popescu;the moe is "sauce pls" or w/e.
635870;1398200788;ThickAsThieves;like, why are the gazette and forum even separate things?
635871;1398200800;mircea_popescu;they don't have to be separate in practice
635872;1398200814;mircea_popescu;they're separated in theory, like your pulse and blood pressure are separate
635873;1398200818;ThickAsThieves;ok
635874;1398200819;mircea_popescu;even if you know... you need a blood for both.
635875;1398200841;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller sad fate eh.
635876;1398200888;mircea_popescu;"The Bureau of Prisons views any bartering among prisoners as fishy" << funny, seeing how they trade is mostly macks.
635877;1398200927;ThickAsThieves;it's also possible identifying these all as economies may help distill/evolve the overall theory
635878;1398200940;ThickAsThieves;i'm just poking and prodding
635879;1398200947;mircea_popescu;surely. it's a good thing.
635880;1398200983;mircea_popescu;currently the entire thing is "hey guise, check out this shit i made. i call it... a box cutter. it cuts everything"
635881;1398200995;mircea_popescu;it's to be expected we'd live in a world of gashes and slashes for a while.
635882;1398201024;benkay;do economies have to conserve over time?
635883;1398201036;ThickAsThieves;i also want to demonstrate to others in public so they may be motivated to do a better job than me at prodding it
635884;1398201063;benkay;or do things increase the size of the pie?
635885;1398201064;ThickAsThieves;rather than sit there and go "oh cool, long live mircea!"
635886;1398201066;mircea_popescu;benkay just the moe in order to be a moe.
635887;1398201086;jurov;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reyt3uiQqI8 <<< my impression of thickasthieves' arguing
635888;1398201086;ozbot;Treadmill Bike - YouTube
635889;1398201098;mircea_popescu;and an important point is : practical implementations will be more or less neatly mapped on the theoretical requirements. they may still function
635890;1398201119;mircea_popescu;but the theory predicts that specific changes will be observable to reduce or mitigate the damage due to the particular vulnerabilities.
635891;1398201132;mircea_popescu;much like kids playing insta-ban specific behaviours they perceive as "unfair"
635892;1398201143;mircea_popescu;they're obviously in no sense unfair, but they do break the mapping, which is undesirable.
635893;1398201207;mircea_popescu;so if they're playing poker with bad cards (say, easy to recognise the queen of hearts) they may cut the queen of hearts game utility.
635894;1398201218;mircea_popescu;like, "but you only get 2/3 of the pot if you win it with a qh" or w/e.
635895;1398201247;mircea_popescu;it's nonsense to see such a rule in poker, per se. but in the context, as they're trying to map shit to a deck of cards, it makes sense. the change is due to the flaw.
635896;1398201281;mircea_popescu;in this sense, the fiat taboo on counterfitting is nonsensical, but we didn't notice this to be the case until bitcoin mapped better on the actual reality.
635897;1398201334;mircea_popescu;similarly, the fiat interdiction on theft, or the bizarre expectations of forumers (whoi mostly live in fiat, cause they're not smart enough for their culture to be programmable by themselves), indignant at hao dares bitbet not "refund"
635898;1398201455;chetty;hmm bitcoin actually helps point out all the bad queens that have been mapped around over the years
635899;1398201465;mircea_popescu;yup.
635900;1398201470;mircea_popescu;well, at least some of them.
635901;1398201489;mircea_popescu;people arguing about how bitcoin will be obsoleted by "better tech", like that w3c muppet are mostly talking out of their ears.
635902;1398201500;mircea_popescu;imagine, something finding even better hiden queens ? it'll be centuries baby.
635903;1398201523;joecool;last i checked we were still using troy ounces for gold
635904;1398201531;joecool;and everyone hates that system
635905;1398201533;chetty;well I suppose bitcoin will start its own mapping
635906;1398201613;benkay;1B -> /n/gAu, eventually.
635907;1398201619;benkay;give it three decades.
635908;1398201720;mircea_popescu;!up cgcardona_
635909;1398201720;assbot;Voicing cgcardona_ for 30 minutes.
635910;1398201750;cgcardona_;thank you sir. I authed w/ gribble. guess I forgot to !up
635911;1398201792;mircea_popescu;:p
635912;1398201931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.0097 = 0.1067 BTC [+]
635913;1398201959;ThickAsThieves;i think my personal !up rule will be, I will up you on your first day, or if you are in mobile situations, otherwise, get with the program
635914;1398201995;mircea_popescu;i kinda up new faces
635915;1398202055;jurov;well.. that bitbet thing... if someone transferred money in error, it has become common sense to return them
635916;1398202091;mircea_popescu;there's nothing common or sensible about common sense
635917;1398202096;jurov;i don';t see how abandoning that notion is an improvement
635918;1398202105;mircea_popescu;but it depends what you're improving.
635919;1398202118;jurov;you clearly label that as improvement
635920;1398202126;mircea_popescu;has it become common sense that if you run over someone you back your car up ?
635921;1398202126;jurov;i woder how so?
635922;1398202131;chetty;there is a difference between error and attempt to cheat ...
635923;1398202150;ThickAsThieves;i feel like i missed the beginning of this conversation
635924;1398202158;mircea_popescu;i kinda have the same feeling
635925;1398202158;jurov;in bitbet case, both can easily be treated in the same way
635926;1398202172;mircea_popescu;all things can easily be treated in the same way
635927;1398202195;jurov;me sending something to expired addy is in no way harming bitbet
635928;1398202237;mircea_popescu;that's not actually true.
635929;1398202242;chetty;if you do it a hundred times it is, takes time and effort to clean up
635930;1398202244;mircea_popescu;it is harming it in ways you decide to neglect.
635931;1398202263;mircea_popescu;which is improper, it's not your place to make that decision. it's bitbet's.
635932;1398202263;davout;jurov: the rationale is that if you count as valid bets that were sent very close to the time limit, and refund those who confirmed slightly after, you're creating an incentive to cheat since failure at cheating isn't punished
635933;1398202289;mircea_popescu;davout s/punished/punishable/
635934;1398202344;ThickAsThieves;what's the current rule, if you miss closing you get a refund, if you miss resolution yer fucked?
635935;1398202356;jurov;yes
635936;1398202370;mircea_popescu;nah
635937;1398202386;davout;isn't it, if you miss either you're fucked ?
635938;1398202393;ThickAsThieves;it should be
635939;1398202416;mircea_popescu;currently it works like so : if your bet makes it on bitbet after the bet is closed, it goes to dividends. if your bet makes it before it's closed but after an arbitrary time selected by bitbet mods, you get it back minus 1%
635940;1398202457;ThickAsThieves;so the only cirumstance for refund is if it's just before closing?
635941;1398202470;ThickAsThieves;(in this context)
635942;1398202506;ThickAsThieves;why not publish a fixed time, like 10min before close
635943;1398202539;mircea_popescu;because it's not fixed, because the bet event can resolve at any given time,
635944;1398202545;mircea_popescu;whereas the moderators are human beings.
635945;1398202554;ThickAsThieves;but it is closed at one specific time
635946;1398202564;ThickAsThieves;nevermind
635947;1398202564;mircea_popescu;the interval between where the bet event unexpectedly took place and the time when the mod got around to closing the bet is by its nature variable
635948;1398202565;ThickAsThieves;i get it
635949;1398202567;jurov;do you have evidence it actually deters cheating?
635950;1398202586;mircea_popescu;jurov yes, actually.
635951;1398202604;ThickAsThieves;that's actually the best argument ive heard for the arbitrary aspect so far
635952;1398202612;ThickAsThieves;surprised it didnt come up before
635953;1398202616;mircea_popescu;it's what i've been sayinbg all along, but hey.
635954;1398202622;mircea_popescu;form occasionally beats function.
635955;1398202652;ThickAsThieves;but the testingunodostres example does still ring sour
635956;1398202672;ThickAsThieves;but at least i have a somewhat digestible justfication now
635957;1398202683;mircea_popescu;rings sour to me too.
635958;1398202701;mircea_popescu;kinda what business is, staying above of an ever rising tide of sour.
635959;1398202785;mircea_popescu;http://www.jaktogo.com/
635960;1398202786;ozbot;Jaktogo - travel solution for your extra luggage
635961;1398202793;mircea_popescu;check out the new terrorist bomber blazer.
635962;1398202933;ThickAsThieves;would look nice with a pair of Google Glasses
635963;1398202958;bounce;right, that's the first one I head about. there's a few more that produce a similar thing these days though.
635964;1398202982;ThickAsThieves;Estimated Next Difficulty:8,193,502,073 (+17.40%)
635965;1398203020;ThickAsThieves;http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/?ref=1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk
635966;1398203024;ozbot;BitBet - May I suggest 9B difficulty?
635967;1398203029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22348 @ 0.00095446 = 21.3303 BTC [-] {2} 
635968;1398203072;bounce;there's (at least) also rufus roo, bagket, and stuffa jacket
635969;1398203471;mircea_popescu;it'
635970;1398203473;mircea_popescu;s done, the diff ?
635971;1398203475;mircea_popescu;.d
635972;1398203475;ozbot;6.979 billion | Next Diff in 1170 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.6493% in 6d 23h 55m 34s
635973;1398203495;mircea_popescu;justabout.
635974;1398203517;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
635975;1398203544;ThickAsThieves;i thought my backup drive died while away, turns out it was just the power supply
635976;1398203548;ThickAsThieves;never had that happen before
635977;1398203700;bounce;now you know. PSUs die too.
635978;1398203720;ThickAsThieves;sure, in computers, all the time
635979;1398203726;ThickAsThieves;but this is a wall wart
635980;1398203777;bounce;well, obviously, /those/ cannot ever die.
635981;1398203816;ThickAsThieves;:)
635982;1398203827;ThickAsThieves;now yer speakin mah langwidge
635983;1398205379;fluffypony;wb ThickAsThieves
635984;1398205522;ThickAsThieves;turns out it wasnt the hard drive psu
635985;1398205531;ThickAsThieves;i just had the wrong one plugged in
635986;1398205532;ThickAsThieves;derp
635987;1398205564;ThickAsThieves;my lair is upheaved due to solar installers
635988;1398205789;ThickAsThieves;btw
635989;1398205807;ThickAsThieves;the missus informs me that part of Mark Cuban's renewal contract with Shark Tank,
635990;1398205829;ThickAsThieves;required they no longer take a % of the company for themselves as a requirement to presenters
635991;1398205841;ThickAsThieves;and that the policy be *retroactive*
635992;1398205894;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust twizt
635993;1398205894;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user twizt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=twizt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=twizt | Rated since: Mon Apr 14 23:22:42 2014
635994;1398206115;ThickAsThieves;lol, Wired farts out a whole article cuz GoT has incestual rape scene http://www.wired.com/2014/04/game-of-thrones-rape/
635995;1398206123;ThickAsThieves;commenters are all in a tizzy
635996;1398206134;ThickAsThieves;"Cry me a river. It's a fucking tv show."
635997;1398206148;ThickAsThieves;"o, it's not. It's a public statement made by the director of a TV show which implies that if a woman being raped begins to enjoy it, it was never rape in the first place. This is worthy of discussion since it is tantamount to saying that all women enjoy being raped because deep down, they all love it, and all of their screaming and crying and desperate fighting to defend themselves
635998;1398206149;ThickAsThieves;against rape are lies. (Insert obligatory comment about reading TFA before commenting here.)"
635999;1398206153;ThickAsThieves;N
636000;1398206421;ThickAsThieves;http://rt.com/usa/154120-nypd-hashtag-twitter-police/
636001;1398206658;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm around now, been out all day.
636002;1398206697;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: I bet they thought that was a good idea at the time
636003;1398206728;mircea_popescu;o hey.
636004;1398206744;mircea_popescu;Naphex you here ?
636005;1398206819;fluffypony;weren't we talking about quantum computing earlier?
636006;1398206826;fluffypony;relevant: http://abstrusegoose.com/564
636007;1398206945;ThickAsThieves;not exactly flyffypony
636008;1398206973;fluffypony;oh it was mentioned in the context of Mirceanomics
636009;1398206977;fluffypony;I remember now
636010;1398207299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 502 @ 0.00022073 = 0.1108 BTC [-] {3} 
636011;1398207482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.525 = 2.1 BTC [-]
636012;1398207580;asciilifeform;http://abstrusegoose.com/564 << this (unfortunately minus the second half!) actually happened.
636013;1398207580;ozbot;Abstruse Goose | Quantum Secrets
636014;1398207586;asciilifeform;;;google lumped approximation
636015;1398207586;gribble;Lumped element model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumped_element_model>; Lumped Approximation - inst.eecs: <http://inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~ee100/fa08/lectures/EE100supplementary_notes_1a.pdf>; Lumped vs. Distributed Systems - CCRMA - Stanford University: <https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jos/NumericalInt/Lumped_vs_Distributed_Systems.html>
636016;1398207619;asciilifeform;used to be, you had to understand maxwell's equations to fuck with electronics
636017;1398207621;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-99232
636018;1398207622;ozbot;A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
636019;1398207661;BingoBoingo;Everything comes back to Peirce
636020;1398207775;mircea_popescu;seems that way
636021;1398207799;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in case you missed: http://loper-os.org/pub/humans
636022;1398207919;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I saw. Seems I'll have to work on clearing up that awful pending legal matter so that I may cross borders next year.
636023;1398207939;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: or build glider.
636024;1398207998;asciilifeform;me colleagues, viewing photos: 'damnit skip to the next one with the girl!'
636025;1398208030;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Maybe that powdered alcohol will be cheap enough to build a rocket, because I don't anticipate it being very drinkable.
636026;1398208037;mircea_popescu;"Once the tobacco is on the compound, the pouches wholesale for 50 books of stamps, or $300 each. Each pouch is then broken down into 80 to 100 tiny rollups that cost one book each, or six dollars. A $3 pouch of Bugler ends up retailing inside for about $600—a 20,000% markup."
636027;1398208037;asciilifeform;i had to explain that these are not issued at the airport.
636028;1398208048;mircea_popescu;holy shit. this is almost as good as the music industry.
636029;1398208055;asciilifeform;letmeguess
636030;1398208057;asciilifeform;russian prison
636031;1398208062;mircea_popescu;mno. us.
636032;1398208066;asciilifeform;this is how people get the idea that giant sums move in the prison
636033;1398208069;asciilifeform;they don't
636034;1398208073;mircea_popescu;http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/02/with-cigarettes-banned-in-most-prisons-gangs-shift-from-drugs-to-smokes.html#url=/articles/2013/06/02/with-cigarettes-banned-in-most-prisons-gangs-shift-from-drugs-to-smokes.html
636035;1398208074;ozbot;With Cigarettes Banned In Most Prisons, Gangs Shift From Drugs To Smokes - The Daily Beast
636036;1398208076;asciilifeform;the prices are merely reflective of scarcity.
636037;1398208084;asciilifeform;like washington housing.
636038;1398208138;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: one day (tm) we rocket straight out of this pisshole, never look back.
636039;1398208140;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they do, to the same degree huge sums move in us banking system.
636040;1398208148;mircea_popescu;"hgere's a book of stamps worth 3 trn"
636041;1398208153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30656 @ 0.00095738 = 29.3494 BTC [+] {2} 
636042;1398208154;asciilifeform;lol
636043;1398208156;BingoBoingo;Still the other medium of exchange (stamps) have a fixed value outside the prison
636044;1398208165;mircea_popescu;"here's a debentures package in exchange, worth 5 trn. good deal for you"
636045;1398208172;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yes. fixed to 0.
636046;1398208177;mircea_popescu;who the fuck uses stamps.
636047;1398208189;BingoBoingo;I do rather frequently.
636048;1398208196;asciilifeform;can't recall the last time using stamp
636049;1398208200;mircea_popescu;you're a weirdo.
636050;1398208208;asciilifeform;aye
636051;1398208216;BingoBoingo;I've also on occasion GPG signed snail mail
636052;1398208227;mircea_popescu;last time i used stamps i was making lolpasties for tits.
636053;1398208234;asciilifeform;even mailing cheques, nowadays one generally uses bank feature that autoprints one and mails
636054;1398208308;benkay;asciilifeform: and yet i have to explain this to just about 1/3 clients.
636055;1398208315;benkay;granted, my clients are small and derpy with the technology.
636056;1398208341;BingoBoingo;Well most of the communication with the lawyer has been either in person or over the mail.
636057;1398208455;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: re: rocketing out of pesthole - http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Home_20Escape_20Vehicle
636058;1398208577;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Very interesting. I was actually thinking about maybe going cheap and just canoeing the mississippi and gulf coast to Mexico
636059;1398208628;asciilifeform;http://www.halfbakery.com/user/dsm
636060;1398208629;ozbot;dsm
636061;1398208637;asciilifeform;yours truly as bored schoolboy
636062;1398208638;mircea_popescu;!up alexsanjose
636063;1398208638;assbot;Voicing alexsanjose for 30 minutes.
636064;1398208680;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Now I'm going to have to digest that entire site's text
636065;1398208692;asciilifeform;lul, don't, it's horrifying
636066;1398208748;BingoBoingo;horrifying text is the best
636067;1398208771;mircea_popescu;anyway. BingoBoingo how would you like to do some btc/usd arbitrage for me too ?
636068;1398208833;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I don't think I have the time to effectively do btc/usd artbitrage
636069;1398208848;mircea_popescu;it's basically just a scaled up version of the atc thing
636070;1398208940;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose you the reuters chick ?
636071;1398208943;BingoBoingo;Well, the outstanding student loan debts make holding any substantial USD impractical
636072;1398208954;mircea_popescu;i'd be holding it.
636073;1398208969;mircea_popescu;on this tiny romanian exchange Naphex's been trying to get into shape
636074;1398208977;mircea_popescu;currently the spread is wider than my fist.
636075;1398209039;mircea_popescu;(to speak you type in the bottom bar and hit enter)
636076;1398209039;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: can't be much volume tho?
636077;1398209048;mircea_popescu;fluffypony wouldn't be much, no.
636078;1398209049;BingoBoingo;I don't think I've ever worked to narrow a spread. I've tried to keep the ATC spread as wide as Hilary's ass.
636079;1398209055;mircea_popescu;lol
636080;1398209068;mircea_popescu;spreads narrow naturally.
636081;1398209093;BingoBoingo;I'll think on it.
636082;1398209107;mircea_popescu;anyway, my idea is, ima open an acct, give you 10 btc or w/e, you can trade around but not withdraw.
636083;1398209129;BingoBoingo;That might work.
636084;1398209144;mircea_popescu;course gotta see if the guy's amenable to it too, but otherwise should be win-win-win, he gets some activity, you get more trading experience, i get some gains or w/e.
636085;1398209188;fluffypony;I played around with arbitrage on BitX.co.za, crappy local exchange, as it generally sits ~5% above Bitstamp, but with a daily volume of ~10 BTC it ends up being a lot of work for maybe $50 in profit
636086;1398209350;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: If he's amenable to the thing I'll probably be inclined to try it as there's a bit more details nao. I'm going to drink on this idea and let tomorrow's hangover show the way.
636087;1398209400;benkay;how are you still getting hangovers, BingoBoingo
636088;1398209408;mircea_popescu;works. show up on some sort of romanian time tho, otherwise we'll be all thestringpullering this for a week :D
636089;1398209419;benkay;HO HO ZING
636090;1398209426;mircea_popescu;benkay liver transplant.
636091;1398209471;BingoBoingo;Oh, what did thestringpuller do recently?
636092;1398209494;benkay;constantly pinging myself and mod6 in -assets
636093;1398209500;BingoBoingo;Ah
636094;1398209516;benkay;leastaways, i assume that's what mircea_popescu 's on about
636095;1398209519;mircea_popescu;poor guy. we love you still thestringpuller, it's just cute is all.
636096;1398209539;BingoBoingo;benkay: I still get hangovers because I drink to win.
636097;1398209567;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: quitting is for losers
636098;1398209614;benkay;to be fair to thestringpuller mod6 and i've been unpredictably online lately
636099;1398209630;benkay;caught a message in the middle of marinading pork over the weekend, f'r instance.
636100;1398209642;benkay;"nuh-uh, buddy. busy cooking atm."
636101;1398209701;mircea_popescu;benkay i made epic bbq rib today.
636102;1398209714;BingoBoingo;Is there any other kind?
636103;1398209723;mircea_popescu;well there's lousy...
636104;1398209728;mircea_popescu;but i don;t make that.
636105;1398209781;BingoBoingo;Sometime this summer I want to try a standing beef rib roast on the kettle grill.
636106;1398209793;fluffypony;I had a braai (bbq) last night, also did ribs
636107;1398209800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.53149999 BTC [+]
636108;1398209801;fluffypony;although I think I'm over pork ribs, going back to beef
636109;1398209802;dexX7;http://loper-os.nfshost.com/pub/humans/ << who is who? =D
636110;1398209819;mircea_popescu;this was open gas oven. not ideal, but i found a way to use the cast iron pan's handle to prop the door open just enough. gets it reasonably cool.
636111;1398209843;BingoBoingo;Interesting.
636112;1398209886;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: that's the way forward, I tend to burn my meat a lil' on an open flame, but in the Weber I can shove the coals to the side and let it cook at leisure
636113;1398209898;benkay;coal grilling?
636114;1398209903;benkay;take me back.,
636115;1398209905;fluffypony;wood oals
636116;1398209907;fluffypony;*coals
636117;1398209909;BingoBoingo;benkay: Well charcoal.
636118;1398209920;fluffypony;^^
636119;1398209942;benkay;no i mean takes me back to middle school when i was learning to grill caveman style
636120;1398209949;BingoBoingo;Ah
636121;1398209951;benkay;these days all i want is a hot gas flowing by
636122;1398209960;fluffypony;gas doesn't give the meat the same flavour
636123;1398209982;benkay;ya well
636124;1398209993;BingoBoingo;I haven't seen many gas grills that can get hot enough for steaks.
636125;1398209993;fluffypony;plus a charcoal braai is a South African tradition, we even have a public holiday that has become Braai Day (nfi what the actual holiday is for any longer)
636126;1398209995;benkay;there are tradeoffs everywhere.
636127;1398210002;benkay;BingoBoingo: lolwut
636128;1398210024;benkay;hot enough for Maillard on the surface?
636129;1398210027;fluffypony;benkay: gas is awesome for breakfast, nothing like a good morning fry-up
636130;1398210060;BingoBoingo;benkay: Well hot enough for a proper sear.
636131;1398210062;fluffypony;I'm with BingoBoingo on this one - if you're going to sear a steak...
636132;1398210102;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dude you nuts, gas burns at like 2k degrees
636133;1398210109;mircea_popescu;it's hot enough to work glass and forge steel.
636134;1398210133;*;fluffypony ponders a 2am leftover rib snack
636135;1398210140;fluffypony;crap is it that late
636136;1398210193;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: American gas grills typically top out around 600F at a cooking height above the burners. Because we suck. (problem can be remedied by using acetylene instead of propane
636137;1398210198;BingoBoingo;)
636138;1398210209;moiety;lol fluffypony i replied to that thread on btctalk.
636139;1398210226;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo europe uses nat gas. ch4 burns hot.
636140;1398210242;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: 'Murica uses Propane
636141;1398210248;mircea_popescu;propane sucks.
636142;1398210251;BingoBoingo;On grils
636143;1398210251;mircea_popescu;it smells bad too
636144;1398210253;BingoBoingo;Yeah
636145;1398210260;mircea_popescu;i mean ppl say "gas is not the same flavour", but : propane stinks.
636146;1398210270;mircea_popescu;methane is inodorous.
636147;1398210282;benkay;oh
636148;1398210289;benkay;see i typically cook on grills wired into the natural gas
636149;1398210291;BingoBoingo;Inside gas is still CH4, but LPG in portable tanks is propane primarily
636150;1398210297;fluffypony;moiety: did you at least get a pink knitted jersey with the Bitcoin logo on it?
636151;1398210338;moiety;hello all
636152;1398210346;benkay;ey moiety
636153;1398210347;moiety;fluffypony: i didn't even go to the site
636154;1398210352;moiety;ooh benkay sans `
636155;1398210358;BingoBoingo;People out in the boonies use propane for household use if they lack infrastructure for real gas
636156;1398210366;BingoBoingo;hello moiety
636157;1398210402;moiety;mircea_popescu: re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2014#634572 you mean like: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/29/china-canned-air-chen-guangbiao-chinese-millionaire_n_2574901.html ? :D
636158;1398210410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00096232 = 21.171 BTC [+] {2} 
636159;1398210425;moiety;hi BingoBoingo :D how's you?
636160;1398210434;BingoBoingo;Not bad
636161;1398210479;BingoBoingo;!up alexsanjose
636162;1398210479;assbot;Voicing alexsanjose for 30 minutes.
636163;1398210766;BingoBoingo;Oh, rabite got voiced this morning?
636164;1398210776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00096334 = 23.2165 BTC [+]
636165;1398210833;ThickAsThieves;"The Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau told CNN that its approval of Palchohol was an error."
636166;1398210853;joecool;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiabeNR_q0U ?
636167;1398210853;ozbot;Perri-Air - YouTube
636168;1398210946;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Have you read any of the paper work on the hows of it?
636169;1398210973;ThickAsThieves;i have not
636170;1398211009;ThickAsThieves;while i see no reason it shouldnt be legal, it's obviously gonna destroy some shit
636171;1398211065;ThickAsThieves;"5. How is it made? If we told you, we'd have to shoot you. We are in the process of patenting it and it is currently patent pending."
636172;1398211074;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: My objection to it as recreational consumer is that the carbohydrates are going to make shit too sweet.
636173;1398211113;ThickAsThieves;"Palcohol is gluten free."
636174;1398211116;ThickAsThieves;lol
636175;1398211128;BingoBoingo;Basically you disolve the alcohol into a mix of sugars and higher molecular weight carbohydrates.
636176;1398211160;BingoBoingo;And it seems by weight they can't even get that much alcohol into the stuff.
636177;1398211230;ThickAsThieves;they claim the weight is intentional
636178;1398211242;ThickAsThieves;to deter snorters
636179;1398211276;BingoBoingo;...
636180;1398211336;BingoBoingo;The weight is necessary, because alcohol is a substance
636181;1398211343;BingoBoingo;with physical properties
636182;1398211472;ThickAsThieves;http://www.scribd.com/doc/217190032/Butterfly-Labs-Production-of-Requested-Information-December-6-2013
636183;1398211472;ozbot;Butterfly Labs Production of Requested Information (December 6, 2013)
636184;1398211473;BingoBoingo;It's physical properties preclude it from being as snortable as say... cocaine and heroin... because it takes quite a bit of alcohol by mass to induce the desired effect.
636185;1398211594;ThickAsThieves;meanwhile the BFL 28nm chips still havent shipped?
636186;1398211649;BingoBoingo;They have not to my knowledge
636187;1398211669;mircea_popescu;moiety i wonder if there's any money in "famous star queefs"
636188;1398211678;mircea_popescu;"buy a bottle of angelina jolie's pussy air!"
636189;1398211687;benkay;cunt drafts
636190;1398211749;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yes.
636191;1398211855;BingoBoingo;Spz an one ounce shot of vodka, which is ~32 grams... That's about 10 grams of ETOH plus binders to get up the nose
636192;1398211905;BingoBoingo;Once the binders are accounted for that's probably still in the end 32 grams just to take a shot of vodka nasally.
636193;1398211917;joecool;i assume insufflation of alcohol would be a bad time, does it even matter to bulk it up?
636194;1398211931;joecool;i would guess it would burn and end up with instant bloody nose if you tried
636195;1398211932;moiety;lol mircea_popescu i'd imagine some celebrities would be cheaper and more supply than others, like lindsay lohan compared to lisa kudrow for example
636196;1398212014;BingoBoingo;joecool: Well the bulk is necessary to render it a powder
636197;1398212158;mircea_popescu;moiety i wonder if portia de rossi cuntair would go for more than lisa kudrwo cunt air
636198;1398212167;mircea_popescu;seeing how... lezzie, no cock stink.
636199;1398212168;joecool;BingoBoingo: what are they using as a bulking agent, dextrose?
636200;1398212217;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo one chick i knew was on a half bottle of white wine anally pre-going to town diet for a while.
636201;1398212222;mircea_popescu;relaxed her nicely.
636202;1398212237;mircea_popescu;just as good as snorting except much better.
636203;1398212242;BingoBoingo;joecool: Older attempts indeed used dextrose along with some heavier carbohydrates. Probably the same or similar here
636204;1398212293;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Indeed. That route of administration has a reputation for efficiency
636205;1398212293;moiety;mircea_popescu: i think it would, she wins on the exotic front
636206;1398212327;moiety;what a waste of wine
636207;1398212371;moiety;oh i was getting portia totally mixed up... but i stand by my yes
636208;1398212431;moiety;i was thinking of Isabella Rossellini
636209;1398212491;moiety;ah its nice to be back lol
636210;1398212545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33781 @ 0.00096334 = 32.5426 BTC [+]
636211;1398212621;BingoBoingo;I wonder how much some Maya Angelou or Angela Merkel would go for.
636212;1398212775;mod6;eew
636213;1398212850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.0048 = 0.288 BTC [+]
636214;1398213151;moiety;these need to be on the rare whiffs section BingoBoingo
636215;1398213155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.0009568 = 27.6515 BTC [-] {2} 
636216;1398213187;BingoBoingo;moiety: Naturally, but definitely not on the discount whiffs.
636217;1398213222;moiety;political pussys
636218;1398213227;moiety;oh of course
636219;1398213305;ThickAsThieves;"A massive computer failure at the US Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) is reportedly wreaking havoc on US immigration courts, with application outages continuing well into their second week."
636220;1398213416;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: http://valleywag.gawker.com/emperor-of-the-glassholes-finally-feels-shame-1566277951/+sarah-hedgecock
636221;1398213497;ThickAsThieves;i havent adorned mine since the week they arrived...
636222;1398213515;ThickAsThieves;i'm embarassed to wear them around the house, nevermind in public
636223;1398213560;ThickAsThieves;they had that one day where anyone could buy a Google Glass, that was probably them cashing out
636224;1398213573;BingoBoingo;I think that is all of the endorsement Google Glass needs. Abandoned faster than NeoBBQ
636225;1398213639;moiety;it's funny what's said about glass at coachella, when there was a giant snail going about filming everything
636226;1398213708;kakobrekla;!up alexsanjose
636227;1398213708;assbot;Voicing alexsanjose for 30 minutes.
636228;1398213965;kakobrekla;hi alexsanjose , you may type in this box
636229;1398213997;alexsanjose;hi thanks kakobrekla
636230;1398214010;alexsanjose;your user name is way better than mine btw
636231;1398214030;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BrendanKutyNJ/statuses/458718232867008512
636232;1398214030;ozbot;Twitter / BrendanKutyNJ: #RedSox fan mocking #yankees ...
636233;1398214034;kakobrekla;lol, thanks but yours isnt bad either!
636234;1398214052;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: He's had more time to practice his username
636235;1398214058;kakobrekla;so if i get this correctly you want to speak with mircea_popescu
636236;1398214073;alexsanjose;yes
636237;1398214158;kakobrekla;well hopefully he pops back in soon enough
636238;1398214179;alexsanjose;would there be a way to sked a chat in here?
636239;1398214215;kakobrekla;he is online most of the any day.
636240;1398214219;kakobrekla;:)
636241;1398214224;alexsanjose;i m such a luddite
636242;1398214228;alexsanjose;ok
636243;1398214232;BingoBoingo;Seriously. He is nearly always online.
636244;1398214232;asciilifeform;re: solid alcohol: the word is clathrate.
636245;1398214245;asciilifeform;;;google clathrate
636246;1398214246;gribble;Clathrate compound - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_compound>; Methane clathrate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_clathrate>; Clathrate hydrate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_hydrate>
636247;1398214262;alexsanjose;not too good for a cocktail
636248;1398214273;kakobrekla;alexsanjose , IRC is not always a real time thing, but once you get the conversation going its the best way to go
636249;1398214285;alexsanjose;understood
636250;1398214301;ThickAsThieves;it is like 4am in mp's timezone though
636251;1398214301;alexsanjose;what time zone are you/mircea in ?
636252;1398214306;alexsanjose;ah
636253;1398214307;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I had a suspicion you'd be the first person to bring the c-word into this
636254;1398214317;asciilifeform;why.
636255;1398214320;kakobrekla;yes but in his internal clock that is like 6 pm.
636256;1398214326;asciilifeform;chemistry, i didn't invent.
636257;1398214336;asciilifeform;it sort of existed without me
636258;1398214348;asciilifeform;like many other useful things
636259;1398214366;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Your general technical curiosity would lead you to find it if you hadn't had it already
636260;1398214380;asciilifeform;re: arbitrage people - i've an arbitrobot, common lisp, sits sadly, 'cockpit glass to the sky, wings with holes'
636261;1398214415;alexsanjose;hmm its nearly 8 pm here. perhaps i should try back tomorrow morning
636262;1398214425;alexsanjose;if i can figure out how to log back in with my crappy user name :)
636263;1398214442;kakobrekla;lol, no sweat.
636264;1398214450;asciilifeform;and wtf the point of solid ethanol? snorting?
636265;1398214473;asciilifeform;the brits already have a monstrosity where you breathe EtOH through a mask
636266;1398214486;asciilifeform;no distillation byproduct oils, no hangover.
636267;1398214487;kakobrekla;alexsanjose at least we got you talking
636268;1398214488;asciilifeform;but, why.
636269;1398214492;alexsanjose;haha
636270;1398214494;alexsanjose;yes
636271;1398214496;alexsanjose;baby steps
636272;1398214511;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Seems the impetus is novelty sales.
636273;1398214528;alexsanjose;pretty soon i ll be commenting openly on solid ethanol
636274;1398214534;alexsanjose;thanks for your help kakobrekla
636275;1398214542;kakobrekla;welcome
636276;1398214566;kakobrekla;hopefully someone will voice you when you rejoin
636277;1398214598;kakobrekla;if not, try to bug someone on private (usually you can open a private window by doublecliking on the nickname)
636278;1398214628;asciilifeform;re: cooking with acetylene - fellow DIY crackpot suggested to me, hooking an oxygen cylinder to the air intake of laser cutter in place of compressor
636279;1398214636;asciilifeform;apparently cuts sheet steel!
636280;1398214641;TestingUnoDosTre;ill keep an eye out
636281;1398214674;asciilifeform;(down side - might end up 'Darkman')
636282;1398214678;BingoBoingo;Thankfully ETOH troche's already exist (Jello Shots in the vulgate)
636283;1398214747;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose so what;s up ?
636284;1398214826;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo prolly has a pantryfull of golda meir stashed away.
636285;1398214841;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: How'd you guess?
636286;1398214865;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i have powers. atm, watch me ping pong with my alex alt to troll kako.
636287;1398214890;kakobrekla;you did not say that.
636288;1398214901;mircea_popescu;twasn't me.
636289;1398214936;asciilifeform;;;google water torch
636290;1398214937;gribble;Water torch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_torch>; DIY HHO Torch (Water Torch) for only $4 - Instructables: <http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-HHO-Torch-Water-Torch-for-only-4/>; turn water to fire - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwlOw7iCNrI>
636291;1398214942;asciilifeform;that'd go great with laser.
636292;1398214942;BingoBoingo;I keep the Golda Meir next to Menachem Begin's cunny wafts
636293;1398214975;mircea_popescu;these people and their names. zeev dov ? srsly ?
636294;1398214979;mircea_popescu;makes dweezil sound tame.
636295;1398215001;asciilifeform;doron zeilberger.
636296;1398215043;TestingUnoDosTre;i don't see these people?
636297;1398215049;mircea_popescu;http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~zeilberg/OPINIONS.html not so bad.
636298;1398215050;ozbot;Opinions of Doron Zeilberger
636299;1398215056;asciilifeform;him.
636300;1398215076;asciilifeform;linked off my site's sidebar.
636301;1398215136;mircea_popescu;"It is about time to abolish the immoral institution of `Anonymous Referee'. Even in the paper era, with its paper-mentality elitism, it was superfluous. A paper is either worth publishing or not. If it is not, you should have the guts to say it out loud, and if you are right, the author should thank you for saving him or her embarrassment."
636302;1398215176;asciilifeform;anyone who ever took part in the academia racket knows that 'anonymous referees' is a crock o'shit
636303;1398215183;asciilifeform;you can always tell who the 'mean girlz' are
636304;1398215257;BingoBoingo;Pretty much
636305;1398215298;thestringpuller;asciilifeform have you ever seen warehouse 13?
636306;1398215305;asciilifeform;negative
636307;1398215312;thestringpuller;you remind me of a character from that show
636308;1398215354;thestringpuller;;;ident
636309;1398215354;gribble;Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.
636310;1398215355;thestringpuller;^^^
636311;1398215360;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: see voiced with no auth
636312;1398215362;mircea_popescu;is it good or bad when one reminds of show characters ?
636313;1398215376;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller yes, if gribble blinks. i was in that situation earier today
636314;1398215377;thestringpuller;in this case it's a good thing
636315;1398215379;BingoBoingo;Probably depends on show and character
636316;1398215385;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo overall.
636317;1398215410;asciilifeform;i was recently accused of being rick, from 'rick and morty'
636318;1398215448;BingoBoingo;Given the number of shit shows and shit characters, the default assumption probably ought to be negative, but there is probably a positive bias because these things tend to happen on the basic that the characters were memorable
636319;1398215479;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: that's a compliment if I ever heard one
636320;1398215491;thestringpuller;since rick is probably what I'd want to be if I were a grandpa
636321;1398215529;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Why aren't you a grandpa?
636322;1398215534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00096019 = 17.8595 BTC [+]
636323;1398215541;BingoBoingo;!up alexsanjose
636324;1398215541;assbot;Voicing alexsanjose for 30 minutes.
636325;1398215594;alexsanjose;hello
636326;1398215598;mircea_popescu;hey alexsanjose
636327;1398215603;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: i would first have to have kids no?
636328;1398215606;mircea_popescu;imo asciilifeform is 100% dexter, boy genius.
636329;1398215617;TestingUnoDosTre;hahaha
636330;1398215618;mircea_popescu;we just need to engineer him a blue eyed, goldilocks'd ballerina
636331;1398215619;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Sure
636332;1398215621;mircea_popescu;to ruin his show.
636333;1398215637;alexsanjose;hi mircea
636334;1398215641;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu used to watch dexter's lab? wow
636335;1398215649;thestringpuller;@_@
636336;1398215662;alexsanjose;i understand its like 4 am your time
636337;1398215668;mircea_popescu;i like 3 cartoon shows, cow and chicken, animaniacs and dexter's lab.
636338;1398215677;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose i don't keep regular hours.
636339;1398215684;alexsanjose;needless to say
636340;1398215686;alexsanjose;:_
636341;1398215688;alexsanjose;:)
636342;1398215689;mircea_popescu;lol
636343;1398215694;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: most people here don't keep close to regular hours
636344;1398215698;mircea_popescu;http://i.cdn.turner.com/asfix/repository/8a250ba13f865824013fc9db8b6b0400/thumbnail_751543065560118081.jpg << rick and morty do timisoara.
636345;1398215705;alexsanjose;you sure? i can happily bug you tomorrow
636346;1398215714;mircea_popescu;makes no difference.
636347;1398215728;alexsanjose;ok
636348;1398215734;TestingUnoDosTre;are you talking to yourself? I'm confused here
636349;1398215787;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre well... maybe it's late where you are ? :D
636350;1398215796;alexsanjose;so,  i guess to start i was wondering if you could tell me what your role is w BitBet
636351;1398215806;mircea_popescu;i'm a cofounder.
636352;1398215815;mircea_popescu;did you read the contract, incidentally ?
636353;1398215824;alexsanjose;me? no
636354;1398215827;TestingUnoDosTre;whyd you say "watch me ping pong with my alex alt to troll kako" ?
636355;1398215847;alexsanjose;what contract?
636356;1398215849;BingoBoingo;http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET
636357;1398215850;ozbot;S.BBET last 357@0.00055999
636358;1398215852;BingoBoingo;^^
636359;1398215872;BingoBoingo;The contract is on the MPEx page for the security
636360;1398215873;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre yes, but I WAS TROLLING KAKO when i said that.
636361;1398215876;mircea_popescu;see ? double meta.
636362;1398215885;BingoBoingo;Neta?
636363;1398215923;alexsanjose;wow lots of info thanks
636364;1398215939;BingoBoingo;Personally I am waiting for S.MNKY
636365;1398216025;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: Where did you first hear about BitBet?
636366;1398216072;mircea_popescu;É°eta
636367;1398216212;alexsanjose;I saw it on a website that was evaluating bitcoin gambling sites
636368;1398216224;alexsanjose;cant remember which
636369;1398216284;alexsanjose;so, mircea_popescu, what drove u and your cofounder to set up bitbet
636370;1398216288;BingoBoingo;Plz tell me it was thissun http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/
636371;1398216322;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose did you read http://trilema.com/2013/the-positive-market-effects-of-the-delivery-bet/ ?
636372;1398216398;mircea_popescu;"He’s ostentatious – he once folded up paper airplanes made of money and threw them from Vkontakte office windows."
636373;1398216410;mircea_popescu;this is supposed to be ostentatious ? since when is russian paper worth anything ?
636374;1398216502;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rick and morty do timisoara << lol! morty is 'rotor'!
636375;1398216536;asciilifeform;(for some reason i always thought of this situation as 'rotor/stators')
636376;1398216607;alexsanjose;hmm ok
636377;1398216641;alexsanjose;thats a primer on sniffing out fraud
636378;1398216677;mircea_popescu;you're missing a lot of history. at the time i made mpex, there existed a "competitor", glbse. it was basically a scam, and has meanwhile died
636379;1398216682;mircea_popescu;(and reincarnated, and died again, 3x)
636380;1398216690;alexsanjose;ok
636381;1398216699;mircea_popescu;at the time we made bitbet, there also existed a "competitor", i forget the exact thing
636382;1398216700;mircea_popescu;it also died
636383;1398216704;mircea_popescu;betssomething
636384;1398216705;alexsanjose;ah
636385;1398216710;mircea_popescu;it's a pattern, this.
636386;1398216719;asciilifeform;reincarnated, and died again << 'Ленин - жил, Ленин - жив, Ленин - будет жить!'
636387;1398216727;alexsanjose;but what made you decide in jan 2013 that this would be a good business to get into?
636388;1398216735;asciilifeform;('lenin - lived, lenin - lives, lenin - shall live!')
636389;1398216751;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you ever found http://trilema.com/2010/lich/ btw ?
636390;1398216758;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: The erstwhile competitor to BitBet was betsofbitco.in (Operator has since disappeared)
636391;1398216758;asciilifeform;http://www.davno.ru/assets/images/posters/big/poster-1967a.jpg
636392;1398216771;alexsanjose;thanks
636393;1398216772;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose i don't do business per se. i tend to provide critical infrastructure pieces for bitcoin finance is all.
636394;1398216827;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lich << yes!
636395;1398216837;mircea_popescu;one of my fav stories, koscei
636396;1398216863;asciilifeform;same.
636397;1398216905;asciilifeform;'Fairy Tales are blamed for teaching children that there are such things as monsters. Children already know that there are monsters. What Fairy Tales really teach is that monsters can be killed.'
636398;1398216925;alexsanjose;but when u earn 1.19395524 BTC in March, a portion goes to shareholders, a portion to operations and a portion to u no?
636399;1398216926;mircea_popescu;and perhaps also should.
636400;1398216937;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose i'm worth about a million give or take.
636401;1398216947;alexsanjose;:)
636402;1398216954;alexsanjose;what currency?
636403;1398216963;mircea_popescu;bitcoin, which obviously isn't a currency.
636404;1398216975;alexsanjose;ok
636405;1398216987;mircea_popescu;i'm also worth a few million atc, i guess, which is a similar problem. what sort of business opportunity did i see there ?
636406;1398216996;mircea_popescu;well... not exactly business per se.
636407;1398216998;asciilifeform;alexsanjose: what was your guess? zimbabwe dollars?
636408;1398217009;alexsanjose;hahaha
636409;1398217027;alexsanjose;colones
636410;1398217060;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/portret-al-artistului-la-tinerete/
636411;1398217060;ozbot;Portret al artistului la tinerete pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
636412;1398217065;mircea_popescu;that's about 1mn colones or so.
636413;1398217068;alexsanjose;so i read the faq on the website, but can you walk me thru placing a bet?
636414;1398217070;mircea_popescu;i guess... ANY currency. hey, cool.
636415;1398217079;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose do you have a bitcoin wallet ?
636416;1398217084;alexsanjose;no
636417;1398217090;alexsanjose;i m a consommate luddite
636418;1398217093;asciilifeform;alexsanjose: it takes about the same titanic intellectual effort as operating... a lift.
636419;1398217097;mircea_popescu;well then we got problems.
636420;1398217110;alexsanjose;why s that
636421;1398217120;mircea_popescu;consummate ?
636422;1398217121;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: We're going to flip a coin.
636423;1398217131;BingoBoingo;Heads is Multibit, tails is Electrum
636424;1398217132;mircea_popescu;well because without bitcoin you don't exist. also because you need it to bet on bitbet.
636425;1398217143;mircea_popescu;!up btclovernick
636426;1398217143;assbot;Voicing btclovernick for 30 minutes.
636427;1398217194;alexsanjose;hard currency is so 2009 i know :)
636428;1398217215;mircea_popescu;not all that useful these days.
636429;1398217219;BingoBoingo;Currency died in the 1970's it is all about assets nao
636430;1398217223;btclovernick;what
636431;1398217227;btclovernick;why is price below $500
636432;1398217241;kakobrekla;and now !down ...
636433;1398217243;mircea_popescu;btclovernick well had you been here asking earlier it could have been perhaps averted
636434;1398217245;BingoBoingo;btclovernick: Because Bitstamp fractional reserve
636435;1398217246;alexsanjose;i was just surprised because i  know the sites i m familiar with require custoemrs to set up an account
636436;1398217251;alexsanjose;transfer money from their wallet
636437;1398217261;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose that'd be part of the great power of bitcoin. you don't need accounts.
636438;1398217265;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: They way Bitbet works is everything is tied to addresses
636439;1398217276;btclovernick;mircea_popescu assobt?
636440;1398217279;btclovernick;what do u mean
636441;1398217286;mircea_popescu;!down btclovernick
636442;1398217297;BingoBoingo;Instead of accounts everything is merely a ledger balance, forced into the right place
636443;1398217328;BingoBoingo;Through a respect for the immutability of actual history
636444;1398217373;asciilifeform;http://www.mirrorpix.com/webgate/preview.php?UURL=5f26f3f6959bc55c7f5a2d0f178fa26b&IMGID=00204661
636445;1398217374;ozbot;Preview
636446;1398217379;asciilifeform;(re: price wtf)
636447;1398217386;kakobrekla;!up alexsanjose
636448;1398217386;assbot;Voicing alexsanjose for 30 minutes.
636449;1398217394;alexsanjose;thanks
636450;1398217396;alexsanjose;so if i bet that obama is going to say bitcoin before 2015
636451;1398217482;alexsanjose;it costs me 0.22 BTC if i want to bet yes?
636452;1398217504;asciilifeform;this'll be like yeltsin, standing on tank, saying '-former- soviet union.'
636453;1398217522;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose you can bey any sum you wish.
636454;1398217526;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: You can place any amount. It may be easier if you go through the process of placing a position on BitBet. I can give/lend you a balance to do this depending on your agency's ethic's rules.
636455;1398217546;alexsanjose;kind of u
636456;1398217552;mircea_popescu;ya srsly.
636457;1398217563;alexsanjose;prolly some sort of ethics violation there. i ll ask tho
636458;1398217567;alexsanjose;so u bet the sum that u wish
636459;1398217572;BingoBoingo;Right
636460;1398217575;alexsanjose;and the odds below lay out your earnings should u win
636461;1398217594;BingoBoingo;Well, odds given existing bets.
636462;1398217603;BingoBoingo;Large bets can move the pot considerably.
636463;1398217609;alexsanjose;ie, if u bet 1 btc, and obama says it before jan 2015, you get 1.24683344 BTC
636464;1398217641;BingoBoingo;The thing is mutual betting so it is pile of money and weight versus other pile of money and weight.
636465;1398217643;mircea_popescu;so far.
636466;1398217658;BingoBoingo;To guarentee odds you may need to place multiple bets.
636467;1398217664;alexsanjose;hmm
636468;1398217679;BingoBoingo;It's like a prediction market but sane
636469;1398217689;BingoBoingo;Not simple, but sane
636470;1398217696;alexsanjose;the odds shift as the numbers of players and amounts of bets shifts the balance on either side?
636471;1398217704;mircea_popescu;yes.
636472;1398217716;asciilifeform;other fun feature, in my eyes, is that a prediction market has an... action market, 'inside, wiggling to get out.'
636473;1398217720;BingoBoingo;And bets are committed until the bet's resolution.
636474;1398217747;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: And that is what decay's sanity. Not the stress, but the roundworms
636475;1398217751;alexsanjose;but on the mechanics of it, kust to be simple, assuming the odds dont change -- i put in 1 btc and get out 1.24 if i win
636476;1398217760;alexsanjose;if i lose i lose the entire 1 btc i bet, correct?
636477;1398217772;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/anjiecast/status/458754630827388928 << and nell says derping nao.
636478;1398217772;ozbot;Twitter / anjiecast: Aaron Sorkin apologizes for ...
636479;1398217773;BingoBoingo;If you lose you lose your whole stake
636480;1398217796;alexsanjose;wouldnt i tho?
636481;1398217828;BingoBoingo;If you win though, it really depends on what happens to the pot after you place your bet. You could win more or less.
636482;1398217829;alexsanjose;its february, 2015. obama has overlooked a growing trend and failed to mention those two syllables -- i lose 100 pct of the bet i placed, no?
636483;1398217838;alexsanjose;ack
636484;1398217843;alexsanjose;but if i lose?
636485;1398217876;BingoBoingo;If you lose you lose. That part is simple. Winning is the complicated part.
636486;1398217940;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: I dunno if you parse python much, but the math for calculating winnings is all in here https://bitcointa.lk/threads/is-bitbet-us-buggy.86712/#post-1492473
636487;1398217952;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre bounce artifexd mike_c and the rest of the supermath python gurus : maybe write a script that takes a bet and spits out the moving odds as the bets come in ?
636488;1398217958;BingoBoingo;If you don't parse it someone from it can for you.
636489;1398217964;alexsanjose;ok
636490;1398217968;alexsanjose;and what s the rake?
636491;1398217974;mircea_popescu;like an old bet i mean, with a lot of bets on it.
636492;1398217974;BingoBoingo;1%
636493;1398217978;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose 1% yeah
636494;1398217991;alexsanjose;and does that account for 100 pct of the profit?
636495;1398217998;artifexd;Is there a feed or would I have to continually poll?
636496;1398218010;mircea_popescu;artifexd no there's feeds.
636497;1398218016;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose bitbet also sells advertising
636498;1398218024;BingoBoingo;http://bitbet.us/bet/34/an-asic-unit-from-either-bfl-avalon-or/
636499;1398218027;ozbot;BitBet - An ASIC unit from either BFL, Avalon or BTCFPGA will ship before Feb 1st.
636500;1398218028;asciilifeform;i notice that the folks who are innocent of python et al can still work a spreadshit. somebody maybe post a spreadshit for them.
636501;1398218087;mircea_popescu;http://www.alexalper.com/resume/ << check it out, the luddite has a dedicated website.
636502;1398218092;ozbot;Alex Alper   » Resume
636503;1398218094;mircea_popescu;how's capeverdian creole sound like ?
636504;1398218095;alexsanjose;haha
636505;1398218098;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: That bet I linked http://bitbet.us/bet/34/an-asic-unit-from-either-bfl-avalon-or/ gives a good dataset for understanding how successive bets affect bitbet winnings
636506;1398218118;alexsanjose;thanks
636507;1398218118;artifexd;Hey, look at that. There's even a twitter feed that I can pull from.
636508;1398218143;mircea_popescu;artifexd better pull from the feeds tho. kakobrekla what were the feeds again /
636509;1398218144;alexsanjose;so what is the breakdown on profit -- rake v advertising?
636510;1398218155;BingoBoingo;It varies month to month
636511;1398218159;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose you know it's in the reports, there's a special line for advertising
636512;1398218167;mircea_popescu;i think it's about 10% as a degree of magnitude
636513;1398218174;alexsanjose;cape verdean creole is like simplified portuguese - mo ki bu sta?
636514;1398218181;alexsanjose;ok
636515;1398218182;BingoBoingo;much of the profit comes from infrequent, but increasingly frequent massive bets
636516;1398218187;alexsanjose;i ll look for it later
636517;1398218196;mircea_popescu;interesting. an' Frenchand Malinke ?
636518;1398218197;alexsanjose;and where do the bets come from? is that something you guys come up w ?
636519;1398218204;alexsanjose;Malinke is awesome
636520;1398218208;kakobrekla;artifexd rss feeds are linked on right side, if that is what you need
636521;1398218212;mircea_popescu;what do you mean where they come from o.O
636522;1398218218;alexsanjose;its like an alternative view of reality
636523;1398218223;asciilifeform;alexsanjose: simplified portuguese << as in 'africaans' vs dutch ?
636524;1398218227;alexsanjose;but who s interviewing who :)
636525;1398218230;artifexd;I want something more push-y than pull-y
636526;1398218230;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose are you just in love with some native speaker ?
636527;1398218242;mircea_popescu;this is irc, we got time.
636528;1398218243;alexsanjose;haha
636529;1398218255;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: BBET statements http://trilema.com/category/sbbet/
636530;1398218284;alexsanjose;no its just interesting. for english speakers romance languages sorta open your world view when they teach u subjunctive and then the african languages is like a whol different kettle of fish
636531;1398218286;alexsanjose;but i digress
636532;1398218306;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you know it occurs to me it's probably like a particular cognitive skill, being able to follow irc convos. "disentagle a skein of thought" as the expression went.
636533;1398218315;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: Sometimes they come up with bet, sometimes assholes like me write bets http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/
636534;1398218324;asciilifeform;today i lined up a bunch of inglischers and had them try reading Ro street signs, menus, etc. from photographs.
636535;1398218335;alexsanjose;for example there is a way to say "my" when u mean "myhusband" and a different "my" for "my bitcoin wallet" cuz humans matter more
636536;1398218348;alexsanjose;cool
636537;1398218354;kakobrekla;not more than bitcoin wallet
636538;1398218375;alexsanjose;haha! and do u deliberately try to space out the bets so a tricle of them are coming due every week month etc?
636539;1398218381;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Of course it is. And the best practice for this is plato when he is modeling a drunk crowd in the dialogues.
636540;1398218417;asciilifeform;mein Führer.
636541;1398218422;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: They really can't. Even mircea_popescu can't affect when the world series ends.
636542;1398218431;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo arguably.
636543;1398218433;alexsanjose;ok
636544;1398218444;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well not this decade.
636545;1398218452;mircea_popescu;end it all!!11
636546;1398218470;alexsanjose;BingoBoingo, do u mind if i ask u what your role is w bitbet since u re kindly asnwering a bunch of my qs?
636547;1398218476;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla your bitcoin wallet thanks you for your loyalty.
636548;1398218489;kakobrekla;i kno rite
636549;1398218504;mircea_popescu;he just likes talking to girls.
636550;1398218514;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: I bet there and I submit bets to there. More than half of my submitted bets have been rejected. I' a regualr in this channel though.
636551;1398218523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39970 @ 0.00095715 = 38.2573 BTC [-] {2} 
636552;1398218528;asciilifeform;alexsanjose: kakobrekla author of bitbet.
636553;1398218533;alexsanjose;why rejected?
636554;1398218539;BingoBoingo;Also, I'm kind drunk. Lemme quantify real quick.
636555;1398218546;alexsanjose;oh man
636556;1398218552;asciilifeform;wait gurls where
636557;1398218553;alexsanjose;this is the best interview ever :)
636558;1398218553;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose is that san jose as in san jose, cr ?
636559;1398218579;alexsanjose;was just there covering elections but back in mexico city
636560;1398218584;mircea_popescu;eres tica ?
636561;1398218596;alexsanjose;no
636562;1398218597;alexsanjose;pura vida
636563;1398218610;mircea_popescu;hehe aite.
636564;1398218611;BingoBoingo;Thanks to Overstock.com replacing Roger Ver as used electronics Bitcoin Jesus I am kinda confident I am BAC 0.257 drunk
636565;1398218617;alexsanjose;y tu?
636566;1398218624;alexsanjose;de donde sos
636567;1398218625;mircea_popescu;no yo soy rumeno.
636568;1398218638;BingoBoingo;Va a changarse
636569;1398218644;alexsanjose;:)
636570;1398218644;BingoBoingo;*chengarse
636571;1398218650;alexsanjose;so wait, why do bets get rejected?
636572;1398218658;alexsanjose;is there a min or max for the bets?
636573;1398218659;mircea_popescu;anyway, spent some time in san jose, originally landed there planing to stay a week, ended up staying like 3 years.
636574;1398218670;alexsanjose;oh really?
636575;1398218673;alexsanjose;u still there?
636576;1398218681;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: Because MP, kakobrekla and MP's slavegirls don't think it is interesting is the big rejection reason
636577;1398218682;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose bets as in propositions get rejected, because not everything can be bet on. see the faq on bitbet, it details it.
636578;1398218684;alexsanjose;but wait it s not 4 am there
636579;1398218697;mircea_popescu;im in timisoara atm.
636580;1398218721;kakobrekla;BingoBoingo i dont partake in that ordeal
636581;1398218733;BingoBoingo;Ah, thx kakobrekla for clarifying
636582;1398218735;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/propositions/ << you can see rejections here.
636583;1398218769;BingoBoingo;http://bitbet.us/bet/312/npda-college-debate-championship-2013-mckendree-college/
636584;1398218769;ozbot;BitBet - NPDA College Debate Championship 2013 - McKendree College to win
636585;1398218774;alexsanjose;ah rejected possible topics  bets! i thot u meant that if someone wants to bet too little money their bet was rejected
636586;1398218782;mircea_popescu;there's no minimum
636587;1398218785;alexsanjose;and rake is charged immediately?
636588;1398218786;BingoBoingo;Even the pettiest shit is betable if you can guarentee a starting stake
636589;1398218799;mircea_popescu;because of bitcoin mining fees however, it's not really worth it to bet under 0.00005 or w/e
636590;1398218822;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose no, the rake is charged on resolution.
636591;1398218838;alexsanjose;ack
636592;1398218866;alexsanjose;is it possible for u to win and have no net gain?  like so many humans take the same side as u and no one opposes and so u all just get back what u put in?
636593;1398218880;alexsanjose;minus 1 pct
636594;1398218890;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo btw, for your info it's chi not cha che etc
636595;1398218902;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose yes, it's possible. also discussed in the faq.
636596;1398218908;alexsanjose;tks
636597;1398218916;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, somethings are hard to pick up from sound.
636598;1398218929;mircea_popescu;generally happens when people bet very late on a widely dominating side.
636599;1398218933;BingoBoingo;I could also swear I read che before
636600;1398218945;mircea_popescu;say a bet started today ending next month with a 10:1 spread, you bet in 3 weeks on the 10 side.
636601;1398218982;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: Here's a writeup on some of the bigger bets in BitBet history for some perspective http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/16/interlude-the-big-bets/
636602;1398219003;alexsanjose;thank u  guys
636603;1398219047;BingoBoingo;Eh, ReutersEmily seemed more inquisitive
636604;1398219067;kakobrekla;lol
636605;1398219095;BingoBoingo;The wired guy pretty much hid in PM's
636606;1398219100;alexsanjose;so -- apols if this is out there -- but i see monthly profits. DO u have annual for 2013?
636607;1398219102;BingoBoingo;Which was kinda suck
636608;1398219104;mircea_popescu;yeah, is reuters small enough by now you know emily flitter  ?
636609;1398219107;alexsanjose;cuz u were operating a full year
636610;1398219120;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose never published annuals.
636611;1398219122;alexsanjose;i do
636612;1398219136;alexsanjose;do u have that info?
636613;1398219143;mircea_popescu;well you add up the 12 monthlies
636614;1398219144;alexsanjose;i guess i can do math
636615;1398219147;alexsanjose;ok
636616;1398219149;mircea_popescu;nobody much cares about years in btc.
636617;1398219155;alexsanjose;what about active users?
636618;1398219160;BingoBoingo;;;google site:bitcoin-assets.com ReutersEmily
636619;1398219161;gribble;home | log | bash | stats | wiki - bitcoin-assets: <http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?page=2&order=dateup>; 89 - bash - bitcoin-assets: <http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=89>; #bitcoin-assets stats: <http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/>
636620;1398219166;alexsanjose;is there a way to estimate that if folks dont have their own accounts?
636621;1398219183;BingoBoingo;What do you mean not have their own accounts?
636622;1398219193;kakobrekla;i want to spoonfeed too, alexsanjose , http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/results-of-first-bitbet-audit-april-7-2014/
636623;1398219194;BingoBoingo;There are a lot of ways this assumption could fork
636624;1398219199;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#571588
636625;1398219204;BingoBoingo;!up alexsanjose
636626;1398219204;assbot;Voicing alexsanjose for 30 minutes.
636627;1398219226;kakobrekla;incidentally i already linked her that.
636628;1398219231;*;BingoBoingo teases benkay with brisket
636629;1398219233;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yours wasn't as good tho.
636630;1398219252;kakobrekla;...
636631;1398219261;BingoBoingo;!up benkay
636632;1398219261;assbot;Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
636633;1398219270;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla because you see it's a different my when you talk about bitcoin wallets than persons.
636634;1398219274;alexsanjose;thank u
636635;1398219283;benkay;hey
636636;1398219298;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose seriously, someone over at reuters has to eventually figure out how to create a gpg key, reg it with gribble, get in the wot.
636637;1398219310;BingoBoingo;benkay: All of your thoughts on BitBet on demanded nao!
636638;1398219326;mircea_popescu;benkay can't up nao ?
636639;1398219335;alexsanjose;that person will sadly not be alexsanjose
636640;1398219344;benkay;jesus
636641;1398219348;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: THe alternative is we switch allegiances to AP
636642;1398219349;benkay;i'm writing an email, assholes
636643;1398219361;alexsanjose;hahaha
636644;1398219365;mircea_popescu;i can't recall who the ap guy was here.
636645;1398219376;alexsanjose;well i ll miss the spoon feeding
636646;1398219379;mircea_popescu;benkay want a postmark ?
636647;1398219382;BingoBoingo;Well benkay Maybe you ought to take your tongue out of fluffypony's wife's asshole
636648;1398219395;mircea_popescu;wait what ?!
636649;1398219404;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Honesly I dun remember an AP guy
636650;1398219435;alexsanjose;but here s my question -- so if i can go on, without registering, logging into an account --
636651;1398219440;alexsanjose;and i made say three bets
636652;1398219443;*;mircea_popescu consults his wall markings. two wired, one forbes one bi, one ap etc
636653;1398219443;alexsanjose;in 2 months
636654;1398219456;alexsanjose;can u track all those bets to the same user
636655;1398219466;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: Maybe they can
636656;1398219467;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose depends whether you want us to.
636657;1398219468;alexsanjose;ie do u have accurate figures on how many active users u have
636658;1398219477;alexsanjose;:)
636659;1398219483;mircea_popescu;not really. we don't even bother keeping analytics, so.
636660;1398219485;mircea_popescu;who cares.
636661;1398219491;kakobrekla;its more than 2.
636662;1398219494;alexsanjose;alexsanjose does
636663;1398219501;alexsanjose;but that s cool
636664;1398219508;mircea_popescu;it's certainly more than a dozen cause at least a dozen diff people here bugged me abouyt it
636665;1398219513;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: If they go off of addresses alone I am 20 some users. If they narrow things down based on shit talking I am 2-3 users
636666;1398219531;kakobrekla;alexsanjose the things we can measure, we measure and publish, see numbers in the footer on bitbet
636667;1398219532;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose bitcoin is fungible. bitbet did 15k btc in total bets or so
636668;1398219540;mircea_popescu;whether this is 15k people or 3 is immaterial.
636669;1398219551;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: his wall markings. two wired, one forbes... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yBIeh7Wug54/UChVTKXKxaI/AAAAAAAAEP4/4or9ZxvENlI/s1600/vargas6.jpg
636670;1398219561;alexsanjose;ok that was my next question
636671;1398219564;alexsanjose;bet volume
636672;1398219591;alexsanjose;15k btc in total bets -- from jan  2013 to march 2014?
636673;1398219610;kakobrekla;almost april
636674;1398219618;mircea_popescu;yes.
636675;1398219632;alexsanjose;so i can use the above phrasing?
636676;1398219634;alexsanjose;merci
636677;1398219635;mircea_popescu;incidentallyt, there've been a total of about 10k bets, so that's an upper bound
636678;1398219642;mircea_popescu;we couldn't possibly have more than 10k diofferent users.
636679;1398219654;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, that means that the AVERAGE bet is like 1.5 btc,
636680;1398219658;mircea_popescu;which afaik is unheard of.
636681;1398219661;alexsanjose;so 10,000 bets, of 15,000 btc in a little over a year
636682;1398219675;alexsanjose;yes math
636683;1398219678;mircea_popescu;bitbet beats the sands, you read it here first.
636684;1398219682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22131 @ 0.00095513 = 21.138 BTC [-] {2} 
636685;1398219682;alexsanjose;one becomes a journalist bc one is bad at it
636686;1398219688;alexsanjose;hahaha
636687;1398219695;alexsanjose;ok
636688;1398219697;mircea_popescu;i was serious.
636689;1398219710;moiety;benkay: i hope it's a gpg email
636690;1398219722;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: If your are a shitty journalist it isn't because journalists are shit. It is because you chose Columbia over Mizzou.
636691;1398219723;alexsanjose;beats the sands for higher average bet u mean
636692;1398219738;alexsanjose;dude
636693;1398219743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12267 @ 0.00095186 = 11.6765 BTC [-]
636694;1398219787;alexsanjose;and how many employees do u have on just the bitbet end?
636695;1398219822;mircea_popescu;that wasn't ever disclosed
636696;1398219826;mircea_popescu;but definitely fewer than the sands.
636697;1398219831;alexsanjose;:)
636698;1398219841;alexsanjose;and it wont be disclosed i take it
636699;1398219844;mircea_popescu;bitcoin betting. it really is killing the margins for irl betting.
636700;1398219858;mircea_popescu;well, if it ever is disclosed, you'll be the first to know.
636701;1398219863;mircea_popescu;especially if you idle in here.
636702;1398219869;alexsanjose;take that, AP
636703;1398219871;alexsanjose;:)
636704;1398219871;TestingUnoDosTre;do you have an rss feed of total bets
636705;1398219873;benkay;ho a leak promise from mp
636706;1398219881;TestingUnoDosTre;would be fun to bet on how many btc will be bet on bitbet
636707;1398219888;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: I dun have an official account, but at least 3. mircea_popescu kakobrekla and the secret mod or mods
636708;1398219894;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre don't you start too
636709;1398219912;ThickAsThieves;boo!
636710;1398219917;alexsanjose;and what about location?
636711;1398219945;ThickAsThieves;i cant pass up an opportunity to push Schrodinger's BitBet, thx testing124
636712;1398219947;TestingUnoDosTre;how many bets does a bitbet bet if a bit bet could bet good?
636713;1398219949;ThickAsThieves;123*
636714;1398219949;mircea_popescu;still waiting for locations to submit their offers.
636715;1398219960;alexsanjose;?
636716;1398219970;TestingUnoDosTre;im gonna be the bookie, owning up the bitbet bitbet
636717;1398219987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
636718;1398219990;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre wouldja consider getting a better nick ?
636719;1398220001;TestingUnoDosTre;it makes me sound spanish
636720;1398220013;TestingUnoDosTre;ill think of one over the next couple few weeks
636721;1398220014;mircea_popescu;well... panish, at any rate.
636722;1398220050;alexsanjose;like the undisclosed number of humans that work for bitbet and the servers
636723;1398220051;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: What beat do you usually cover?
636724;1398220082;asciilifeform;why do people always ask 'how many warm bodies' ??
636725;1398220088;alexsanjose;i cover economics and markets if i cant help it  in mexico
636726;1398220088;asciilifeform;to whom does this matter.
636727;1398220102;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: I severely doubt a count of server personel will happen. Hasn't happened for MPEx. Hasn't happened for S.NSA
636728;1398220107;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose it's like this. the way locations normally works is that it doesn't need people, but people need it. and so people make offers to location.
636729;1398220133;mircea_popescu;bitbet however needs a location like i need a pair of horns. location however does need bitbet, and business generally.
636730;1398220149;mircea_popescu;so... waiting for location to get its head out of its ass, realise that the tables have turned and start making offers.
636731;1398220174;alexsanjose;i get that cyber shizel makes some of these considerations less relevant
636732;1398220180;*;BingoBoingo has a personal point of shame
636733;1398220188;alexsanjose;however
636734;1398220193;*;BingoBoingo is too new to knwo evoorhes IRC nick
636735;1398220195;alexsanjose;we reporters, we like locations
636736;1398220213;mircea_popescu;tough.
636737;1398220217;alexsanjose;:)
636738;1398220223;mircea_popescu;;;seen evoorhees
636739;1398220224;gribble;evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 39 weeks, 6 days, 2 hours, 32 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <evoorhees> I need to go for now, on later
636740;1398220224;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: And that is how I scooped the whole press on the OpenBSD story
636741;1398220253;alexsanjose;u should come over to the dark side BingoBoingo
636742;1398220263;alexsanjose;Boingo is a decent juice maker down here incidentally
636743;1398220268;alexsanjose;i recommend the guayaba
636744;1398220272;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: Have you read my blog yet?
636745;1398220307;mircea_popescu;the lyf and times of the luddite journalist. 1. find webchat. 2. 500 pages of 500 words each avalanche. 3. profit ? 4. burial.
636746;1398220312;mircea_popescu;!up Neil
636747;1398220312;assbot;Voicing Neil for 30 minutes.
636748;1398220313;BingoBoingo;I might happily have an opinon column for the right price, if you buy out my mystery sponsor's share
636749;1398220332;*;BingoBoingo offers a hit, it isn;t mircea_popescu
636750;1398220344;BingoBoingo;that was butchered...
636751;1398220344;TestingUnoDosTre;offers a hit? what drug
636752;1398220355;mircea_popescu;dude did he just threaten to off me ?
636753;1398220357;alexsanjose;<+mircea_popescu> can u at least confirm u re licensed in CR?
636754;1398220360;BingoBoingo;I'll have to do the BAC after this cigarette again
636755;1398220367;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose im sorry, licensed to what ?
636756;1398220372;alexsanjose;to ill
636757;1398220379;alexsanjose;i mean to operate
636758;1398220385;mircea_popescu;to operate what ?!
636759;1398220390;TestingUnoDosTre;oooh BingoBoingo, whats your high score?
636760;1398220393;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I meant hint... Fuck...
636761;1398220394;ThickAsThieves;on teeth
636762;1398220395;alexsanjose;an online gambling site
636763;1398220404;mircea_popescu;how is this relevant ?
636764;1398220417;mircea_popescu;are you licensed to operate an online nuclear powerplant ?
636765;1398220431;alexsanjose;because i can t really write the story unless i can tie it somehow to the region i cover
636766;1398220432;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Hisghest BAC I've hit on the overstock.com breathalizer is 0.67 while lucid
636767;1398220440;TestingUnoDosTre;whaaaaaat
636768;1398220440;alexsanjose;its somewhat silly
636769;1398220450;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: Isn't world news a thing?
636770;1398220459;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo apparently not for reuters.
636771;1398220465;alexsanjose;:)
636772;1398220472;alexsanjose;i tried to pitch it as a world news thing
636773;1398220474;BingoBoingo;Fucking Columbia grads
636774;1398220486;alexsanjose;dude
636775;1398220488;alexsanjose;:)
636776;1398220489;BingoBoingo;Srs should have gone to MIZ ZOU
636777;1398220511;BingoBoingo;Not only better school, better college town
636778;1398220524;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose you can tell your editor i said he's doing himself way more favours running stories about me than the reverse.
636779;1398220526;BingoBoingo;Only had a gun pointed at me twice there
636780;1398220560;alexsanjose;look, u have important privacy concerns which i can only begin to imagine.
636781;1398220569;TestingUnoDosTre;now what was this talk about writing a program that can parse through bets?
636782;1398220570;asciilifeform;where is MIZ ZOU? bagdad? kandahar?
636783;1398220579;TestingUnoDosTre;missouri state
636784;1398220580;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Columbia Missouri
636785;1398220581;mircea_popescu;on the grounds that while i matter, reuters does not.
636786;1398220583;mircea_popescu;scaling issues.
636787;1398220591;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Not Missouri state
636788;1398220592;alexsanjose;but i also have to talk to a company that has something there -- a call center, a server, a license
636789;1398220601;TestingUnoDosTre;the state of missouri
636790;1398220604;alexsanjose;ergo i ask if u are said comapny
636791;1398220605;TestingUnoDosTre;:D
636792;1398220618;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: That isn't how university names work
636793;1398220622;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose it might have escaped your notice, but bitbet is not a company, it's a mpex corporation.
636794;1398220625;alexsanjose;i agree w u
636795;1398220627;alexsanjose;it s global story
636796;1398220641;TestingUnoDosTre;I know, was just trying to backtrack on my earlier fuckup
636797;1398220658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5217657 BTC [-]
636798;1398220669;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: Class it as a UK story. They operate in the UTC +-0 time zone
636799;1398220685;mircea_popescu;i thought she was in mexico.
636800;1398220691;alexsanjose;i am
636801;1398220693;BingoBoingo;Eh,
636802;1398220696;BingoBoingo;details
636803;1398220699;alexsanjose;:)
636804;1398220710;alexsanjose;if only i could write "dateline cyberspace"
636805;1398220715;alexsanjose;or "dateline the world"
636806;1398220719;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00481852 = 0.5059 BTC [+] {3} 
636807;1398220720;mircea_popescu;what's to keep you ?
636808;1398220729;BingoBoingo;I thought dateline was a disney thing.
636809;1398220729;ThickAsThieves;bitbet has no more relevance to Mexico than any other country
636810;1398220752;alexsanjose;but are u based in the UK then?
636811;1398220752;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i dare not think they perhaps haven't reported on heartbleed yet, because well...
636812;1398220761;ThickAsThieves;hehe
636813;1398220763;mircea_popescu;we forgot to register a mexico domain for it.
636814;1398220769;alexsanjose;:)
636815;1398220776;ThickAsThieves;maybe the relevance is competition to mexican casinos or something
636816;1398220777;mircea_popescu;either forgot or didn't care.
636817;1398220793;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose yeah, let's see here.
636818;1398220803;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: They resolve bets on Greenwich time
636819;1398220830;alexsanjose;ergo
636820;1398220830;mircea_popescu;tell Gordon Burr i said he's a poopyhead.
636821;1398220832;TestingUnoDosTre;speaking of which, can we get a clock on the website?
636822;1398220835;asciilifeform;heatbleed - not diffused, has a loving motherland, 26km from where i sit.
636823;1398220840;mircea_popescu;then he'll get pissed off, and you've got your story.
636824;1398220847;TestingUnoDosTre;i might even chip in for that
636825;1398220859;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre on which website ?!
636826;1398220863;TestingUnoDosTre;bitbet
636827;1398220865;TestingUnoDosTre;gmt
636828;1398220871;TestingUnoDosTre;or GWT
636829;1398220873;mircea_popescu;dude srsly.
636830;1398220874;ThickAsThieves;Gordo Burro
636831;1398220885;TestingUnoDosTre;making me open up another whole tab
636832;1398220899;mircea_popescu;you got no wrists ?
636833;1398220903;mircea_popescu;cut them off ?
636834;1398220914;TestingUnoDosTre;what do you mean
636835;1398220918;TestingUnoDosTre;I have plent of wrists
636836;1398220930;mircea_popescu;so open a clock tab on your wrist!
636837;1398220939;*;BingoBoingo blows
636838;1398220952;TestingUnoDosTre;gotta get a watch
636839;1398220953;BingoBoingo;BAC 3.12
636840;1398220963;ThickAsThieves;dafuck
636841;1398220971;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo are you like trying to become tucker max or something ?
636842;1398220973;mod6;haha, im gonna set my watch to 0 GMT
636843;1398220975;moiety;GWT?!
636844;1398220985;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Not at all.
636845;1398221003;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: This isn't even near the usual buzz I have here
636846;1398221011;alexsanjose;so zero ties to CR
636847;1398221014;mircea_popescu;btw, if anyone knows of that schmuck since his days of derping about being amusing,
636848;1398221021;mircea_popescu;you'll never guess what he's doing these days.
636849;1398221021;moiety;i have a browser bar addon with all my clocks running along it
636850;1398221039;ThickAsThieves;!up alexsanjose
636851;1398221039;assbot;Voicing alexsanjose for 30 minutes.
636852;1398221053;alexsanjose;but what did u do there for 3 years?
636853;1398221068;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Didn't he pay the Kentucky Basketball coach to be his bitch for lunch and a game?
636854;1398221075;ThickAsThieves;enjoy the local flora is my guess
636855;1398221084;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose this was a while back, i was still retired back then. mostly i did girls
636856;1398221095;ThickAsThieves;i win
636857;1398221101;BingoBoingo;!up benkay
636858;1398221101;assbot;Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
636859;1398221101;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i musta missed that.
636860;1398221108;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you know, fauna is not flora.
636861;1398221128;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It was last week's story. No OpenBSD guns of liberty or anything like that.
636862;1398221146;ThickAsThieves;tell that to Georgia O'Keeffe
636863;1398221155;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo anyway, dude's now.... an investment adviser.
636864;1398221172;BingoBoingo;O'Really? I thought he was a Lohan.
636865;1398221172;moiety;TestingUnoDosTre: https://foxclocks.org/ you can totally customise them however you like
636866;1398221176;mircea_popescu;he has like... opinions and shit. about like, laws. and is excited. about like... companies. well, "companies".
636867;1398221179;mircea_popescu;tucker fucking max.
636868;1398221217;BingoBoingo;It is all nothing compared to my running the largest Altcoin denominated trading fund.
636869;1398221249;kakobrekla;also the first and best
636870;1398221254;alexsanjose;ok
636871;1398221268;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.032 = 0.128 BTC [+]
636872;1398221284;BingoBoingo;Eh, it would totally die if someone used 20 BTC to set a new baseline for ATC at 300 satoshis per
636873;1398221298;asciilifeform;you can always tell who can't do arithmetic by where walls of ornate clocks with ~3 zones hang. e.g. u.s. army briefing rooms.
636874;1398221312;alexsanjose;so some industry stat questions -- a lotta stories say half of bitcoin transactions are online gambling related --
636875;1398221318;alexsanjose;u have a source on that?
636876;1398221324;alexsanjose;i get that the ledger is countable
636877;1398221327;alexsanjose;but who counted it
636878;1398221334;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose prolly satoshidice, a mpex corp, meanwhile retired.
636879;1398221337;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: Most of that data is last year's when SatoshiDice was a thing
636880;1398221339;mircea_popescu;or if not,
636881;1398221341;mircea_popescu;!jd
636882;1398221345;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 16289 BTC profit, 35.4k BTC invested, 1083.43 mio bets, 5.19 mio BTC wagered
636883;1398221364;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: That number hasn't been reliable since about July
636884;1398221385;alexsanjose;ugh. any thots on getting an updated figure?
636885;1398221403;BingoBoingo;Not really, not without a soldering iron and patience
636886;1398221419;alexsanjose;if only i d gone to Mizzou
636887;1398221438;alexsanjose;another one -- what about an estimate on the number of online gambling operations in bitcoin
636888;1398221446;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose an updaed figure of what ?
636889;1398221461;alexsanjose;of the percent of bitcoin transactions that are for gambling
636890;1398221463;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: Best part of Mizzou. I had a grad assistanship with the Pharmacy School through UMKC.
636891;1398221473;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose other than jd and bitbet there's not that many worth the mention.
636892;1398221485;alexsanjose;jd
636893;1398221486;alexsanjose;?
636894;1398221490;ThickAsThieves;i imagince sdice still gets some volume, no?
636895;1398221491;BingoBoingo;!jd
636896;1398221492;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 16289 BTC profit, 35.4k BTC invested, 1083.44 mio bets, 5.19 mio BTC wagered
636897;1398221504;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Not so much anymore
636898;1398221506;ThickAsThieves;www.just-dice.com
636899;1398221513;alexsanjose;ok
636900;1398221515;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: JD pretty much killed SD
636901;1398221525;ThickAsThieves;it's ok to speak normals to the lady guys, geez
636902;1398221534;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: There are a number of questionable line betting operations.
636903;1398221550;alexsanjose;coinbet? cloudbet strkesapphire seals w clubs
636904;1398221554;alexsanjose;seems like there are tons
636905;1398221559;ThickAsThieves;coinroll.it
636906;1398221574;ThickAsThieves;there are a fair quantity of sites, but probly not much volume
636907;1398221576;mircea_popescu;didn't seals die an ignoble death after it lost its db or something ?
636908;1398221584;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: I play with cloudbet. I fear it might face the same bet as its line betting predecessors in the space.
636909;1398221590;ThickAsThieves;seals seems like something thatll never die
636910;1398221605;asciilifeform;seals - clubbed.
636911;1398221607;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: Sealswith Clubs used to rock, then they got hacked and everyone fled
636912;1398221608;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose you're roughly in the position of someone asking how many websites there are on the internet. it's by and large a meaningless measure of nothing in particular.
636913;1398221624;ThickAsThieves;it's where nerds that are too nerdy for the smart nerds play
636914;1398221635;alexsanjose;i understand but these are the things editors yearn for
636915;1398221636;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: You been to seals recently, it is just bots and sad
636916;1398221647;ThickAsThieves;i never tried it
636917;1398221652;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose alright, there's 128 btc gambling websites.
636918;1398221658;alexsanjose;which brings me to my next unknowable question -- the value of the industry
636919;1398221662;ThickAsThieves;i have bias against their css
636920;1398221663;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: It was pretty awesome this time last year.
636921;1398221665;alexsanjose;who 128?
636922;1398221667;ThickAsThieves;what can i say...
636923;1398221668;alexsanjose;why 128?
636924;1398221673;mircea_popescu;cause i say so.
636925;1398221674;benkay;moiety: simply telling someone's boss that i was going to reject the man's code and would the following advice be welcome?
636926;1398221681;alexsanjose;ha
636927;1398221692;benkay;(ask a stupid question, alexsanjose, get a stupid answer)
636928;1398221699;mircea_popescu;it;'s not that stupid even.
636929;1398221707;alexsanjose;what happened to the spoon feeding :)
636930;1398221713;mircea_popescu;128.
636931;1398221721;alexsanjose;it s beautiful and round
636932;1398221733;*;mircea_popescu looks under assbot's skirts.
636933;1398221738;mircea_popescu;where the hell does it store all the voice.
636934;1398221742;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: If you want to know what sealswithclubspoker was like over the last year I have a GPG key with email address on my blog.
636935;1398221748;alexsanjose;haha
636936;1398221759;alexsanjose;thank u
636937;1398221761;ThickAsThieves;assbot is all ass, no skirt
636938;1398221769;mircea_popescu;http://sirf-online.org/2014/04/17/mdbx-follow-up/ << whas this in here ? it's pretty fucking... bitcoinesque.
636939;1398221775;BingoBoingo;Also if you want to know about traditional sports betting books in BTC I have lots of details on that
636940;1398221795;alexsanjose;i need some in Costa RIca to talk to me
636941;1398221799;alexsanjose;in order to justify doing this story
636942;1398221802;alexsanjose;i know it s silly
636943;1398221804;alexsanjose;anyway
636944;1398221825;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: Fine, I'm in southern Illinois, close enough?
636945;1398221828;alexsanjose;a question i forgot from earlier that i think i know the answer to -- mp -- u have no way of tracking where your customers are or who they are
636946;1398221829;alexsanjose;nest pas?
636947;1398221832;moiety;benkay, please tell me what response you get?
636948;1398221835;ThickAsThieves;i think whats his name is in costa rica
636949;1398221836;alexsanjose;haha
636950;1398221839;ThickAsThieves;the sharepoint guy
636951;1398221844;benkay;another good question would be "which are the important ones and why do they matter?"
636952;1398221848;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose not more than you do at any rate.
636953;1398221875;alexsanjose;do you have a sense of where many are set up
636954;1398221887;BingoBoingo;Crimea
636955;1398221888;benkay;moiety: "I don’t think you could make the suggestions friendly enough not to make it seem like a big middle finger.:
636956;1398221889;alexsanjose;(i get your prior point abt locations being interchangeable)
636957;1398221890;benkay;"
636958;1398221894;kakobrekla;most of them come from the internets
636959;1398221895;benkay;this for the record is why american management sucks.
636960;1398221900;BingoBoingo;India
636961;1398221903;benkay;no stones to tell people to redo their work
636962;1398221917;mircea_popescu;<kakobrekla> most of them come from the internets <<
636963;1398221919;alexsanjose;but i m wondering if the bitcoin gambling sites flock to the same plays where vanilla online gambling was big
636964;1398221921;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1792229/plain/)
636965;1398221921;mircea_popescu;!b 1
636966;1398221922;mircea_popescu;shit.
636967;1398221928;benkay;no expectation that people can take criticism
636968;1398221937;alexsanjose;i ve heard of the internets. i think al gore made them
636969;1398221940;alexsanjose;after 2009
636970;1398221954;BingoBoingo;The thing is this year this is an English language story. In five years this will eaither be a Spanish or Chinese language story.
636971;1398221964;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose i doubt anything useful can be said on the topic of whether bitcoin gambling geographically concentrates like casino gambling.
636972;1398221980;ThickAsThieves;furuknap, i think he's in CR
636973;1398222014;alexsanjose;u familiar with UIGEA etc?
636974;1398222021;TestingUnoDosTre;i've got a question
636975;1398222021;ThickAsThieves;here's is blog if you wanna try to reach him http://cryptocoinblog.com/about/
636976;1398222023;alexsanjose;who s furuknap
636977;1398222029;TestingUnoDosTre;superbowl coinflip - wtf happene there?
636978;1398222030;ThickAsThieves;a nobody really
636979;1398222031;mircea_popescu;Nov 29 04:07:23 <firstblockchain>Trying to find people with rentable / purchasable land in Costa Rica who are bitcoin friendly. Want to set up a few solar powered yurts, wire up with some good internet, plant some tubers and coffee and operate from there. Going to be a pain to ship my roaster there from indonesia though... <<< this guy too.
636980;1398222037;ThickAsThieves;but he's into bitcoin, in CR
636981;1398222049;moiety;benkay: why does he need friendly if he wants his business to work?
636982;1398222050;ThickAsThieves;just in case you REALLY need a connection
636983;1398222065;ThickAsThieves;assuming he's still in CR...
636984;1398222069;*;moiety is far too nosy benkay sorry
636985;1398222132;TestingUnoDosTre;!up Neil
636986;1398222132;assbot;Voicing Neil for 30 minutes.
636987;1398222140;alexsanjose;thanks
636988;1398222180;alexsanjose;so UIGEA
636989;1398222192;alexsanjose;the 2006 us gambling law -- u familiar?
636990;1398222210;mircea_popescu;what about it ?
636991;1398222226;alexsanjose;do you bitcoin gamlbing will be found by courts to run afoul of it?
636992;1398222230;TestingUnoDosTre;the us anti gambling law *
636993;1398222242;BingoBoingo;Does the law touch consumers?
636994;1398222247;alexsanjose;no
636995;1398222249;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose the us is welcome to try.
636996;1398222254;alexsanjose;ooh
636997;1398222255;alexsanjose;nice
636998;1398222256;mircea_popescu;you familiar with the sec's attempt ?
636999;1398222268;alexsanjose;which bit
637000;1398222274;BingoBoingo;;;google site:trilema.com sec
637001;1398222274;gribble;SEC Complaint - Securities and Exchange Commission: <http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/comp-pr2013-132.pdf>; Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/>; The reasons why Bitcoin securities can't be regulated by the SEC pe ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/the-reasons-why- (1 more message)
637002;1398222285;BingoBoingo;Second link
637003;1398222338;alexsanjose;oh the mpex - satoshi thing
637004;1398222356;BingoBoingo;Yeah, more an evoorhes thing apparently is the cover
637005;1398222369;BingoBoingo;Still, there are Marines in Costana
637006;1398222379;mircea_popescu;the point being, everyone's welcome to imagine they matter.
637007;1398222432;BingoBoingo;Everyone is equally welcome to give a cock a taste provided a lack of mouth sores
637008;1398222439;alexsanjose;well if u could win on this argument -- It is our considered opinion that Bitcoin does not constitute either “Money� as discussed in the second reference nor does a purchase of a Bitcoin denominated virtual security such as offered on MPEx constitute “the placing of capital or laying out of money� as discussed in the first reference.
637009;1398222456;alexsanjose;then u d be ok prolly on UIGEA
637010;1398222462;alexsanjose;which penalizes a funds transfer, etc
637011;1398222475;mircea_popescu;you're not in any sense qualified to discuss matters of law, are you ?
637012;1398222477;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: Already a BitBet http://bitbet.us/bet/790/mpex-to-become-sec-recognized-sro-in-2014/
637013;1398222501;mircea_popescu;!up Lee-
637014;1398222501;assbot;Voicing Lee- for 30 minutes.
637015;1398222536;alexsanjose;i dont have a law degree. i did cover the CFTC for a while
637016;1398222545;mircea_popescu;so then that'd be it for this line.
637017;1398222625;alexsanjose;do u see bitcoin gambling spreading? despite the regulatory push in the US and people s fears about volatility etc?
637018;1398222644;TestingUnoDosTre;speaking of which, that oil futures bet is really delicious looking. too pansy to bet on a side though :(
637019;1398222662;alexsanjose;i m almost done, apols for having taken up so much of your time
637020;1398222664;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Grow some balls?
637021;1398222677;TestingUnoDosTre;much more comfortable betting on diff
637022;1398222702;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose i don't imagine the usg is any sort of actor in this discussion.
637023;1398222712;mircea_popescu;other than that, quite impossible to call trends. maybe it's growing.
637024;1398222717;mircea_popescu;maybe it's shrinking.
637025;1398222741;alexsanjose;ok
637026;1398222748;mircea_popescu;volatility seems neutral.
637027;1398222751;BingoBoingo;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vyj1C8ogtE
637028;1398222751;ozbot;Scotty Doesn't Know - YouTube
637029;1398222758;ThickAsThieves;itd probably grow in some proportion to bitcoin's growth
637030;1398222769;mircea_popescu;people who gamble wouldn't conceivably be much deterredf by the risk that their payoff is multiplied or divided randomly.
637031;1398222811;mircea_popescu;but this is all speculation, and not too well grounded.
637032;1398222811;TestingUnoDosTre;randomly?
637033;1398222811;ThickAsThieves;i agree though ive seen recent articles disagreeing with that mp
637034;1398222834;ThickAsThieves;like bitcoin gambling is somehow doomed due to its volatility
637035;1398222837;BingoBoingo;This is exactly the difference between NeoBBQ and actual returns
637036;1398222861;BingoBoingo;!up alexsanjose
637037;1398222861;assbot;Voicing alexsanjose for 30 minutes.
637038;1398222866;mircea_popescu;one question lingers. did you lie earlier when you claimed you can't do the article unless it's somehow related to... costa rica (?!) ? one'd have expected your interest to die there, were that factual.
637039;1398222897;alexsanjose;i didnt lie
637040;1398222913;BingoBoingo;!up Luke-Jr
637041;1398222913;assbot;Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes.
637042;1398222914;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i dunno what sense that makes. so you play blackjack in tokens, and they have a random value each day. this deters you from playing blackjack ?
637043;1398222920;ThickAsThieves;she's a journalist, she's good at making shit up by now
637044;1398222922;BingoBoingo;Luke-Jr: So bets of bitco.in
637045;1398222932;BingoBoingo;!up benkay
637046;1398222932;assbot;Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
637047;1398222937;alexsanjose;if it s happening there, i need to bring in that element
637048;1398222946;alexsanjose;but as u note its a global phenomenon
637049;1398222951;alexsanjose;which makes all this super relevant
637050;1398222961;mircea_popescu;ic.
637051;1398222964;alexsanjose;do u think that online bitcoin gambling has benefitted from the troubles regular online gambling outfits have faced -with paymnet systems since UIGEA?
637052;1398222977;mircea_popescu;wasnt that a law in 2006 ?
637053;1398222982;BingoBoingo;alexsanjose: Whatever local paper it is quarentined to will piss off the 95% of bettors not there
637054;1398222982;alexsanjose;yes
637055;1398223002;mircea_popescu;well... bitcoin didn't exist in 2006. bitcoin gambling even less.
637056;1398223005;mircea_popescu;so how'd it benefit
637057;1398223039;alexsanjose;because after 2006, and especially ater 2011 when the doj shut down the three major online poker establishments that us plays could illegally access
637058;1398223048;alexsanjose;some of outfits continued to operate
637059;1398223052;BingoBoingo;poker sucks
637060;1398223059;alexsanjose;but it became increaseingly harder to process payments
637061;1398223074;TestingUnoDosTre;poker is great
637062;1398223079;BingoBoingo;Poker is a lowest common denominator of gambling
637063;1398223079;alexsanjose;because the 2006 law makes it illegal to accept payments associated iwth "unlawful: online gambling
637064;1398223081;mircea_popescu;but bitbet is not doing poker.
637065;1398223091;alexsanjose;but it s not just poker
637066;1398223092;mircea_popescu;and the one poker site which was doing great in 2011 and 2012 meanwhile died.
637067;1398223108;alexsanjose;so by penalizing the payment process, they brought banks into it
637068;1398223111;TestingUnoDosTre;i think theres still one ... bodog?
637069;1398223123;TestingUnoDosTre;just heard of a friend in the us depositing the other day
637070;1398223123;alexsanjose;there are plenty
637071;1398223125;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: WTF is Bodog
637072;1398223132;TestingUnoDosTre;;;ud bodog
637073;1398223133;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bodog | Damn, I put a grand on the Lakers last night at BoDog, & the pistons smoked em! by Maddog June 26, 2004. 45 23. Mugs & shirts Buy “Bodog� mugs & shirts ...
637074;1398223134;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: Bodog
637075;1398223136;mircea_popescu;it may not be "just poker", but the case of poker seems to go exactly against the theory it benefited.
637076;1398223137;alexsanjose;but they had to resort to really sketchy stuff to get money fto and from clients
637077;1398223157;TestingUnoDosTre;bodog is a poker website
637078;1398223158;alexsanjose;how so
637079;1398223161;BingoBoingo;What is "Really sketchy"
637080;1398223170;mircea_popescu;because the bitcoin poker site was doing great in 2011, and is dead now.
637081;1398223180;benkay;got robbed, right?
637082;1398223180;alexsanjose;banks would have to misclassifry transactions
637083;1398223186;mircea_popescu;this is not an opposite trend of the fiat poker sites
637084;1398223187;alexsanjose;saying that it was to buy golf balls
637085;1398223188;benkay;trust is important when bitcoins are involved.
637086;1398223189;alexsanjose;and not to bet
637087;1398223202;alexsanjose;or a runner ould show up at your house for the cash
637088;1398223205;BingoBoingo;The cashier had to put my vodka in a paper bag. Was that sketcy because it was concealed?
637089;1398223210;mircea_popescu;since when do banks classify transactions saying it;'s to x or to y ?
637090;1398223210;alexsanjose;these are anecdotes from people in the industry anyway
637091;1398223227;BingoBoingo;!down alexsanjose
637092;1398223230;mircea_popescu;wtf weird country is that. the merchant/customer specify wtf the transaction is
637093;1398223244;BingoBoingo;!up alexsanjose
637094;1398223244;assbot;Voicing alexsanjose for 30 minutes.
637095;1398223252;alexsanjose;but as soon as the bank does that, they can go after you for fraud, money laundering,e tc in addition to violating UIGEA]
637096;1398223266;*;mircea_popescu shrugs
637097;1398223279;TestingUnoDosTre;maybe if you won lke $100k
637098;1398223287;alexsanjose;so the question is whether bitcoin -- which is outside of traditionally banking -- allows bettors and sites to sidestep all the regulatory hassle (in addition to lowering costs, etc_)
637099;1398223303;BingoBoingo;Indeterminate
637100;1398223326;mircea_popescu;alexsanjose it would seem there's no particular relation.
637101;1398223349;TestingUnoDosTre;but if you tried to make a connection, if you REALLY stretched
637102;1398223353;mircea_popescu;or in the words of bogart, the fixations of some people in the us don't amount to a hill of beans in this large btc world.
637103;1398223370;BingoBoingo;Even in the US I have yet to se a bank car with lites, sirens, and surly black cops played by Sam Jackson
637104;1398223431;alexsanjose;so u really see it as a separate phenomenon
637105;1398223444;alexsanjose;independent of this whole us gambling regulatory backstory
637106;1398223451;BingoBoingo;Yes
637107;1398223477;BingoBoingo;Per FINRA, the Federal Reserve, and Reality.
637108;1398223478;mircea_popescu;i don't imagine that a)the us legislative process has much impact on us reality ; b) us reality has much impact on online reality ; c) btc has much to do with online gambling
637109;1398223483;mircea_popescu;so there's layers.
637110;1398223504;alexsanjose;ok
637111;1398223507;alexsanjose;that was very clear
637112;1398223509;alexsanjose;thank u
637113;1398223520;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: On point B the us has an impact in that it makes tor suck
637114;1398223531;mircea_popescu;so tor is integral to gambling ?
637115;1398223542;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: No more than Bitcoin
637116;1398223551;BingoBoingo;Or Freenode
637117;1398223552;mircea_popescu;anyway, imo it was teh yurpeans that made tor suck
637118;1398223560;mircea_popescu;i mean look at the shills/devs/etc
637119;1398223573;TestingUnoDosTre;whats so bad about it?
637120;1398223592;alexsanjose;well thank u guys
637121;1398223595;alexsanjose;illuminating
637122;1398223612;alexsanjose;enchanting even
637123;1398223640;TestingUnoDosTre;the bitcoin illuminati!
637124;1398223644;mircea_popescu;lol
637125;1398223647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27581 @ 0.00095632 = 26.3763 BTC [+]
637126;1398223650;TestingUnoDosTre;strikes again
637127;1398223652;BingoBoingo;Well, tor always sucked, there was actually a not horrible Cracked article on the subject
637128;1398223678;BingoBoingo;BAC update: .354
637129;1398223691;TestingUnoDosTre;before you said 3.23
637130;1398223694;TestingUnoDosTre;was really scared
637131;1398223700;alexsanjose;if you come across in humans in Central America who have bitcoin gambling operations and they want to talk to a reporter, tell them i dont bite alexandra.alper@thomsonreuters.com
637132;1398223734;mike_c;BingoBoingo: breathalyzer while drinking is cheating.  you need blood samples!
637133;1398223743;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Must have been confusion of units
637134;1398223769;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315 = 0.126 BTC [-]
637135;1398223776;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Yeah, but are YOU really going to jump me with a needle right now?
637136;1398223780;TestingUnoDosTre;i thought it underestimates while drinkiing
637137;1398223787;mircea_popescu;it does.
637138;1398223799;BingoBoingo;Sometimes approximation is a necessary tool
637139;1398223816;BingoBoingo;Also this is Overstock.com, they barely replaced Roger Ver
637140;1398223818;TestingUnoDosTre;if you're going for your all time high score, doesn't seem like cheating to me
637141;1398223850;BingoBoingo;Nah, this isn't a high score night. This is just cultivating a good hangover to think through tomorrow.
637142;1398223903;TestingUnoDosTre;can you estimate how much youve had to get to .3++?\
637143;1398223926;TestingUnoDosTre;I've always been worried about the .08 rule in america
637144;1398223974;BingoBoingo;!up Neil
637145;1398223974;assbot;Voicing Neil for 30 minutes.
637146;1398223977;mike_c;mircea_popescu: hah, sorry my departure caused a commotion.  great weekend though!  i had a blast.
637147;1398223987;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: I can look at the bottle or bottles.
637148;1398224019;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: The .08 rule is why I keep a tremendous distance between driving and drinking.
637149;1398224036;TestingUnoDosTre;I just fill the distance with smoke
637150;1398224079;mircea_popescu;mike_c tbh i half figured you moved for a day of hooker privacy.
637151;1398224104;BingoBoingo;Well, I smoke menthol cigarettes like a nigger so maybe that is another false positive that might aggrevate this piece of shit.
637152;1398224130;joecool;my coworker switched to ecig, smokes thug juice
637153;1398224135;joecool;s/smokes/vapes/
637154;1398224141;mircea_popescu;and with that... nighty all!
637155;1398224152;TestingUnoDosTre;by the way, I'm really disappointed how bitbet posts latest bets to the front page. I sniped this coinlab bet from a few months , and someone just followed me
637156;1398224164;joecool;BingoBoingo: prob better for you
637157;1398224179;BingoBoingo;joecool: For some definitions of better.
637158;1398224218;joecool;cheaper + less cancer + smells better
637159;1398224245;TestingUnoDosTre;just go over to cannabis, you will smoke like one every ten
637160;1398224259;BingoBoingo;joecool: Menthols cost just as much as regular cigs
637161;1398224272;joecool;sure, i was talking about vaping though
637162;1398224293;TestingUnoDosTre;even newports?
637163;1398224310;TestingUnoDosTre;i stricly smoke spliffs
637164;1398224316;TestingUnoDosTre;this is my profession
637165;1398224337;joecool;i don't smoke
637166;1398224361;TestingUnoDosTre;vaporise?
637167;1398224380;BingoBoingo;Eh, I dun want some damn weed ruining my nice ETOH buzz
637168;1398224398;TestingUnoDosTre;ruining? they pair like a wine to a cheese
637169;1398224406;joecool;me? i tried ecig vaping shortly, never got huge into it, but gave my kit to coworker to quit cigarette smoking and he switched to that
637170;1398224423;joecool;loves it now, got the really fancy units
637171;1398224424;artifexd;ThickAsThieves: Mailpile is an opensource web mail app that does makes pgp encryption easier. To be really useful though, it should be run on your own server.
637172;1398224459;TestingUnoDosTre;the first thing I truly toked was vaporised cannabis
637173;1398224479;TestingUnoDosTre;then i slowly drifted over to the cigarretes, as I began to mix the two
637174;1398224510;joecool;i've had cannabis a few times, i can't really have it though, drops my blood pressure and i either faint or sleep for over 12 hours
637175;1398224513;joecool;just not for me
637176;1398224514;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Extremes of ETOH and marijuana intoxication can be great, but apart, never together at the extremes
637177;1398224536;TestingUnoDosTre;intuiging
637178;1398224544;TestingUnoDosTre;I never said extremes
637179;1398224556;joecool;someone had me try vaping it once and i slept for almost 18 hours
637180;1398224566;joecool;nobody could wake me up
637181;1398224589;TestingUnoDosTre;wow
637182;1398224591;joecool;not my idea of fun, at best a sleep aid
637183;1398224603;TestingUnoDosTre;have you ever been prescribed pain medications?
637184;1398224611;joecool;i had a kidney stone in high school
637185;1398224624;joecool;when i was on oxycodone i barely registered a pulse
637186;1398224633;TestingUnoDosTre;yah, that stuff puts me to sleep
637187;1398224636;joecool;they had to manually check me in hospital as most of the auto cuffs couldn't pick me up
637188;1398224664;TestingUnoDosTre;thats scary
637189;1398224670;joecool;bp was like 90/40
637190;1398224675;BingoBoingo;I dun like opiates, they make me itch. You ever wake up having a tooth cut in half, and then for several days take pain pills that make you rash more and more?
637191;1398224692;BingoBoingo;Damn that's low
637192;1398224706;joecool;i use aspirin when i need pain killer, works well
637193;1398224718;BingoBoingo;I'm partial to naproxen
637194;1398224720;TestingUnoDosTre;I rarely use anything of that sort
637195;1398224736;TestingUnoDosTre;i think acetamenophin was the last for me
637196;1398224757;TestingUnoDosTre;!up benkay
637197;1398224757;assbot;Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
637198;1398224776;joecool;i actually picked up the ecig vaping for a short while cause i was experimenting with small amounts of nicotine for memory and to keep my bp from crashing
637199;1398224795;TestingUnoDosTre;how do you gage memory recall?
637200;1398224818;joecool;TestingUnoDosTre: keep a working journal
637201;1398224835;joecool;i used to test myself but i found just logging observations worked better
637202;1398224850;TestingUnoDosTre;but how does that test recall
637203;1398224911;TestingUnoDosTre;i've heard of nicotine helping the matter, but am wondering how you personally know if your memory is better
637204;1398224936;TestingUnoDosTre;for instance, have you ever tried memory methods, etc
637205;1398224951;joecool;memory methods? you mean like mnemonics?
637206;1398224970;TestingUnoDosTre;yes, method of loci, etc
637207;1398225022;artifexd;Nicotine, when separated from all the crap in cigarettes is actually a pretty powerful performance enhancing drug.
637208;1398225035;joecool;TestingUnoDosTre: never tried that, reading about it right now
637209;1398225041;BingoBoingo;And still somehow more habit forming
637210;1398225048;TestingUnoDosTre;its how people began to remember things
637211;1398225067;joecool;actually we're not entirely sure at the moment how habit forming nicotine is by itself
637212;1398225082;TestingUnoDosTre;only really read about it in the last year or so, my brothers recommend me a book that has other methods in it as well
637213;1398225135;joecool;TestingUnoDosTre: my short term memory is bad, so one would assume remembering lists and tasks would be the best way to test oneself (using a memory game or something)
637214;1398225160;joecool;but i'm looking for something a little more subjective, trying to see if i can stay focused throughout the entire day and still track tasks
637215;1398225162;TestingUnoDosTre;there's a book called "the memory method" i think it's by harry loraine or something
637216;1398225169;TestingUnoDosTre;harry L-------
637217;1398225172;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 38 @ 0.03100763 = 1.1783 BTC [-] {3} 
637218;1398225189;joecool;at the moment the best combo i've found that's very safe is a decent amount of caffeine and some theanine
637219;1398225220;TestingUnoDosTre;focus is different to me
637220;1398225231;TestingUnoDosTre;like a factory worker can be "focused" for 8 hours a day
637221;1398225250;BingoBoingo;I'll politely decline from revealing my secret sauce
637222;1398225259;TestingUnoDosTre;but when you tackle something larger, like project, it gets WAY different
637223;1398225264;joecool;BingoBoingo: i'm guessing sims
637224;1398225266;joecool;*stims
637225;1398225275;BingoBoingo;Nah, not really
637226;1398225285;artifexd;Regarding the benefits of nicotine: http://examine.com/supplements/Nicotine/
637227;1398225291;BingoBoingo;Not for classical definitions of such anyways
637228;1398225376;joecool;BingoBoingo: i consider moda a stim if that's that you're talking about
637229;1398225385;TestingUnoDosTre;moda?
637230;1398225397;artifexd;modafinil
637231;1398225402;BingoBoingo;No
637232;1398225430;BingoBoingo;You are looking at the wrong class and even the wrong MOA
637233;1398225445;joecool;ah
637234;1398225480;TestingUnoDosTre;hahaha "modanifil is wall streets favorite drug" on google top returns for modanafil
637235;1398225497;TestingUnoDosTre;wall streets drug of choice*
637236;1398225502;BingoBoingo;Action is on much lower molecular weight things than catecholemines
637237;1398225542;artifexd;TestingUnoDosTre: For any drug/supplement information, you can't get any better than examine.com. Here is modafinil's page: http://examine.com/supplements/Modafinil/
637238;1398225544;BingoBoingo;I dunno that Wall street is really an endorsement
637239;1398225584;BingoBoingo;artifexd: examine.com sucks compared to http://crazymeds.us
637240;1398225608;artifexd;I am unfamiliar with crazymeds.us. I shall investigate it.
637241;1398225613;joecool;i found out about it in high school, was considering asking doctor about it, ultimately decided to avoid because of it's effects on histamine (do you like rashes?)
637242;1398225666;joecool;ultimately most of my problems were solved by a better diet
637243;1398225680;BingoBoingo;artifexd: It is actually a decent reference work. Was endorsed by actual faculty to my pharm students
637244;1398225704;artifexd;Seems limited in what it covers
637245;1398225785;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Limited vs. Targeted is a difficult distinction
637246;1398225820;joecool;anyways, gotta sleep, headin back to freedomland tomorrow
637247;1398225821;artifexd;True. examine.com doesn't have adderall or prozac.
637248;1398225840;cazalla;nutmeg and banana skins, thank me later
637249;1398225846;artifexd;examine.com for supplements. crazymeds.us for medicines.
637250;1398225894;BingoBoingo;;;google site:examine.com lamotrigine
637251;1398225895;gribble;Inositol - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects ...: <http://examine.com/supplements/Inositol/>; Agmatine - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects ...: <http://examine.com/supplements/Agmatine/>; Vinpocetine - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects ...: <http://examine.com/supplements/Vinpocetine/>
637252;1398225927;BingoBoingo;Supplements are just medicines that fail
637253;1398225955;artifexd;That is simply not true
637254;1398225965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9469 @ 0.00095849 = 9.0759 BTC [+]
637255;1398225969;artifexd;Creatine is a supplement. It is quite successful at what it does.
637256;1398226087;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.031 = 0.279 BTC [-] {2} 
637257;1398226090;BingoBoingo;Creatine as a supplement is rate limited though to ineffectiveness in many processes
637258;1398226190;artifexd;Ineffectiveness in what? Via what processes?
637259;1398226194;cazalla;didn't they ban that due to kids going on creatine rages
637260;1398226211;artifexd;lol
637261;1398226211;artifexd;no
637262;1398226233;cazalla;misc says it's a steroid
637263;1398226280;artifexd;http://examine.com/faq/is-creatine-a-steroid.html
637264;1398226280;ozbot;Is creatine a steroid? | Examine.com FAQ
637265;1398226315;cazalla;i'm joking artifexd, creatine rage is an old joke from buildingbuiding.com forums
637266;1398226317;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Mostly the liver and limits on precessing rooted in ancient human metabolism.
637267;1398226356;BingoBoingo;Excess creatine is largely handled by the body's workings as a disease state.
637268;1398226396;BingoBoingo;Choline... That on the other hand the body treats in excess as a blessing because you made a snapping turtle's nest your bitch
637269;1398226418;artifexd;So your saying that consuming 1kg of creatine won't provide 100 times the benefit of consuming 10g? Ok. I'll buy that. But that doesn't make taking 10g ineffective.
637270;1398226423;cazalla;I had a GP tell me to stop using it after bloodwork showed high levels of creatinine in bloodwork, told me to stop lifting as well, didn't go back to that doctor
637271;1398226484;artifexd;For the record, I'm not a creatine disciple. It is just an example.
637272;1398226489;BingoBoingo;Well, excess is relative to a point. The body is actually good at generating its own creatine, even while relatively malnourished in a few different ways
637273;1398226505;BingoBoingo;The Japs taught us that in the 1940's
637274;1398226576;cazalla;from memory, only benefit from creatine was that i held more water which made me appear bigger
637275;1398226597;BingoBoingo;That is an effect of excess creatine
637276;1398226615;BingoBoingo;Mostly safe excess, but still
637277;1398226645;BingoBoingo;!up benkay
637278;1398226645;assbot;Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
637279;1398226689;BingoBoingo;Is anyone online now familiar with Amphoterrible B?
637280;1398226750;benkay;thanks for the continuing voice y'all
637281;1398226758;benkay;i am now officially curious how long i can go without auth and upping
637282;1398226759;BingoBoingo;benkay: Welcome
637283;1398226771;benkay;(as to how long...)
637284;1398226792;BingoBoingo;benkay Not too long if you don't say the two magic assets words.
637285;1398226802;BingoBoingo;Fuck it the three words nao
637286;1398226832;benkay;i give up what are you on about
637287;1398226870;BingoBoingo;benkay: Two words: cunt and nigger, third word is kike
637288;1398226872;artifexd;Holy crap. It is taking forever to get through today's logs. It looks like today is trying to make up for a quiet weekend.
637289;1398226880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.0009513 = 24.9241 BTC [-] {2} 
637290;1398226946;BingoBoingo;artifexd cazalla: Since you seem most interested dangerous excesses of creatine resemble the effects of amphteracin B
637291;1398226951;BingoBoingo;!up Hghh
637292;1398226951;assbot;Voicing Hghh for 30 minutes.
637293;1398226971;artifexd;And dangerous exesses of water resemble death.
637294;1398226985;BingoBoingo;It shreds the most useful and beutiful of the kidney's filtering membranes
637295;1398227000;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Cause death.
637296;1398227023;BingoBoingo;Excess water actually on its own can cause death
637297;1398227095;cazalla;i don't think my levels were too excessive, from memory they were in the hundreds, GP said it would be a concern if it were in the thousands, average being double digits or something, this is a decade ago, i've long ago become lazy and chubby as a result
637298;1398227132;artifexd;The point being that saying something is dangerous simply because too much of it is dangerous is incorrect at best and deceitful at worst.
637299;1398227157;BingoBoingo;Of course, now we get to learning.
637300;1398227158;artifexd;Or were you not saying creatine is dangerous and I just misinterpreted?
637301;1398227189;BingoBoingo;It isn't simply that too much is dangerous. It is HOW too much is dangerous.
637302;1398227193;cazalla;oh i wouldn't know one way or the other, i was just a sucker for the marketing
637303;1398227268;BingoBoingo;Well, this is how learning happens, by knowing how both the excess an insufficiancy are dangerous and spotting a useful mean.
637304;1398227353;BingoBoingo;I think I've covered excess creatine shreds simple yet beautiful membranes in the kidneys, what does a lack of such cause?
637305;1398227395;artifexd;Stupidity?
637306;1398227435;artifexd;Crude way to say it, but basically brain damage. Right?
637307;1398227503;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Stop going up layers of abstraction and try going down. Think things with less mass than creatine?
637308;1398227547;BingoBoingo;Fuck, is drunk BingoBoingo teaches physiology going to have to be a thing?
637309;1398227551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13831 @ 0.00095177 = 13.1639 BTC [+]
637310;1398227563;artifexd;Medicine/biology are far from my strong points.  Even if I got the words right, I likely wouldn't understand them.
637311;1398227608;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Sodium, Potasium, Calcium. Why did I present them in THAT order?
637312;1398227654;artifexd;My first interpretation is Salt and Bones.
637313;1398227664;BingoBoingo;So, any eastern bloc people up? I gots a question.
637314;1398227799;BingoBoingo;Let us spz I have "mice" in my garage. Which SKS variant would require the least fussing as I eliminate the "mice".... Or should I just cheap it out on a Mosin?
637315;1398227877;artifexd;Calcium is an electrolyte?
637316;1398227882;artifexd;Huh
637317;1398227931;BingoBoingo;artifexd: One of the three most important ones. I mean you like self locomotion right?
637318;1398227957;artifexd;It beats being carted around in a shopping cart.
637319;1398228006;BingoBoingo;Sure.
637320;1398228012;artifexd;I always thought of calcium as "that of which bones are made", not as "that which promotes the making of bones"
637321;1398228022;BingoBoingo;Any closer to guessing my secret sauce?
637322;1398228051;BingoBoingo;Nah, bones are the most boring thing calcium does, and most of that is crbon nanotubes anyways
637323;1398228082;artifexd;I didn't know I was looking for a secret sauce.  I'm still catching up on logs.
637324;1398228114;artifexd;What does your secret sauce do (at a high abstraction level)?
637325;1398228125;artifexd;Faster, better, stronger, smarter?
637326;1398228141;BingoBoingo;artifexd: It just tweeks some electrlytes.
637327;1398228150;artifexd;To what effect?
637328;1398228171;BingoBoingo;Haven't actually been on it since 2012 which was my lastest functional peak.
637329;1398228183;BingoBoingo;Legends were made that year though.
637330;1398228219;BingoBoingo;(There is an efficient substitute for it though)
637331;1398228221;artifexd;I feel similarly about modafinil. Shit made me productive for many more hours of the day than I am now.
637332;1398228241;BingoBoingo;Fuck, I've actually mentioned it by name already
637333;1398228253;artifexd;Sodium?
637334;1398228254;artifexd;lol
637335;1398228268;BingoBoingo;What have I mentioned tha tnoobs can't find reason t belong?
637336;1398228270;artifexd;That certainly narrows the search space.
637337;1398228287;BingoBoingo;I really should
637338;1398228294;BingoBoingo;Say it does
637339;1398228301;BingoBoingo;To n=1
637340;1398228306;artifexd;The antifungal stuff?
637341;1398228316;BingoBoingo;No, looking too far back
637342;1398228338;BingoBoingo;That just keeps my nutsack from being a jungle mess like Diablo-D3's
637343;1398228353;BingoBoingo;Because meat power has its limits
637344;1398228370;BingoBoingo;!up Diablo-D3
637345;1398228370;assbot;Voicing Diablo-D3 for 30 minutes.
637346;1398228380;BingoBoingo;Diablo-D3: How's the Rift Valley?
637347;1398228401;BingoBoingo;Nigger
637348;1398228406;BingoBoingo;!down Diablo-D3
637349;1398228454;artifexd;The only things you've named since you brought up amphteracin B are weapons and electrolytes.
637350;1398228486;BingoBoingo;artifexd: I am pretty sure I named Lamotrigine
637351;1398228492;BingoBoingo;!up benkay
637352;1398228492;assbot;Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
637353;1398228545;artifexd;You did. To gribble.
637354;1398228549;artifexd;I shoulda caught that.
637355;1398228568;BingoBoingo;Anything to gribble is public with right commands
637356;1398228602;BingoBoingo;Much like Fairbain's knife is right into the proper ribs
637357;1398228718;artifexd;Reading the wikipedia article on Lamotrigine doesn't give me any reason to see it as useful for a normally functioning brain.
637358;1398228774;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Is that a problem with wikipedia or with a popular definition of normally functioning brain
637359;1398228801;BingoBoingo;How soon has wikipedia deleted each MP article
637360;1398228852;artifexd;Then I shall hop over to crazymeds page.
637361;1398228874;BingoBoingo;Let's narrow it. Yugo, Romanian or Russian? Which SKS handles "mice" best
637362;1398228909;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Actually even that won't offer quite a complete picture of the chemical
637363;1398228949;BingoBoingo;Or eastern bloc people is a $50 mosin enough for "mice"
637364;1398228960;artifexd;The freaky side effects are hilarious
637365;1398228972;BingoBoingo;Or terrifying
637366;1398228986;artifexd;The OCD side-effect could be useful.
637367;1398228999;BingoBoingo;Especially in Bitcoin
637368;1398229013;BingoBoingo;If you could recognize an adversary using it
637369;1398229035;BingoBoingo;as their own shtick or a schtick they milk
637370;1398229052;artifexd;I am not clinically ocd but I have ocd tendencies and I consider them one of my strengths.
637371;1398229078;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Did you make it to the drug's MOA yet?
637372;1398229116;artifexd;Shit. No. The ads made me think I had scrolled all the way down and yet I was only halfway down the page.
637373;1398229181;artifexd;MOA means "How it works", right? Mode of Affect or something?
637374;1398229192;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Dude who runs the site is totally disabled. You have to account for such compromising design decisions or worse
637375;1398229202;BingoBoingo;MOA is Method of action
637376;1398229267;BingoBoingo;The internet is not designed for you and your purposes. That is the one lesson I want to hammer into the brains of so many shitheads.
637377;1398229276;artifexd;Ok. I've read it. Didn't understand much at all.
637378;1398229313;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Well the problem is... well did you recognize the problem?
637379;1398229335;artifexd;Correction: I didn't really understand a damn thing.
637380;1398229381;artifexd;I mean, ok, it's a mood stabilizer. But you give me the impression it is so much more.
637381;1398229438;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Lithium is not a simple mood stabilizer.
637382;1398229459;BingoBoingo;Where does lamotrigine fit there
637383;1398229478;BingoBoingo;Smoke? Anchor? Turd?
637384;1398229524;moiety;entirely different
637385;1398229557;BingoBoingo;!up Luke-Jr
637386;1398229557;assbot;Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes.
637387;1398229561;artifexd;BingoBoingo, you seem to have the ability to, more than anyone else I know (including mp, maybe not including my wife), make me feel like a complete idiot.
637388;1398229582;BingoBoingo;moiety: some camels need more canings than others to fing water.
637389;1398229608;moiety;lithium is far too toxic for some and just doesnt work
637390;1398229639;moiety;lamotrigine can be used in much smaller amounts for a wide variety of things as an add-in
637391;1398229660;moiety;i totally agree about camels
637392;1398229667;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Full disclosure. I have a diagnosis of Bipolar I disorder. I can't given reality justify actual meds so i love booze.
637393;1398229717;artifexd;Lamotrigine is an anti-bi-polar medicine, right? Being bi-polar means that you tend to go from one extreme mood to the other.  Successfully combating that means you in a not extreme mood.
637394;1398229726;moiety;its far more than that artifexd
637395;1398229732;artifexd;Thus a more stable mood. So, I called it a mood stabilizer.
637396;1398229747;BingoBoingo;Who says I am succeeding right now?
637397;1398229753;moiety;but a mood stabiliser in itself is a thing
637398;1398229756;BingoBoingo;Mike from breaking bad?
637399;1398229772;BingoBoingo;We all know how his half measures ended...
637400;1398229778;*;moiety doesn't
637401;1398229782;*;moiety runs
637402;1398229805;moiety;and no i didnt start archer yet either
637403;1398229871;artifexd;So why the comment that lithium is not a simple mood stabilizer when I wasn't talking about lithium.  Unless you meant that as to also say that lamotrigine is also not a simple mood stabilizer.
637404;1398229913;moiety;what i said is that they are both entirely different
637405;1398229923;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Because you said what I wanted to spz. You just added noise to it though.
637406;1398229968;artifexd;"Smoke? Anchor? Turd?" <- I don't understand the reference
637407;1398229969;artifexd;spz?
637408;1398229983;BingoBoingo;Spz is standard math for suppoze
637409;1398230011;artifexd;Ah
637410;1398230021;BingoBoingo;smoke is ephemeral pretend anchors without actual beds to cut into
637411;1398230026;BingoBoingo;think boats
637412;1398230031;moiety;lol i went to log into the bnf and they give you an option to check your ip. whyyyy? https://www.bnf.org/bnf/login.htm
637413;1398230055;artifexd;Anchors work even if they don't reach the bottom.
637414;1398230057;BingoBoingo;Also recognize that moiety could be more differently right than me on this subject
637415;1398230119;artifexd;So back to before you mentioned lithium. I guess that I do not recognize the problem.
637416;1398230123;moiety;its the combination game. different strokes for different folks and all that jazz
637417;1398230130;BingoBoingo;^
637418;1398230135;BingoBoingo;Not ^^^
637419;1398230138;BingoBoingo;But ^
637420;1398230187;BingoBoingo;!up dxrt
637421;1398230187;assbot;Voicing dxrt for 30 minutes.
637422;1398230198;BingoBoingo;What is up dxrt
637423;1398230284;artifexd;Bottom line is that if one is bipolar, lamotrigine is awesome as long as the side effects don't kill you.  If you aren't bipolar are there any benefits?
637424;1398230296;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.0009549 = 5.4429 BTC [+]
637425;1398230304;artifexd;!up benkay
637426;1398230304;assbot;Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
637427;1398230390;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Magic happens because I dunno either of those cases
637428;1398230421;artifexd;What magic? What effects did you experience?
637429;1398230498;BingoBoingo;artifexd: How does Hephaestus feel?
637430;1398230587;artifexd;Like a blacksmith?
637431;1398230624;BingoBoingo;Wrond
637432;1398230634;moiety;artifexd: depends entirely on the drug. for lithium and lamotrigine, i'd say no. but addons eg quetiapine (to stop racing thoughts) can chill people out, aid sleep and also isnt addictive
637433;1398230646;moiety;its used in place of diazepam these days
637434;1398230646;BingoBoingo;Split that. He doesn't feel a smith. He feels the black.
637435;1398230696;BingoBoingo;moiety: In 'Murica we use brand names like Seroquel (also known as benadryl on steroids)
637436;1398230725;artifexd;Hephaestus was a blacksmith to the gods. He created wonderful and amazing things that were used and appreciated by the most powerful beings in the universe. I'd say he felt pretty proud and satisfied.
637437;1398230725;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
637438;1398230805;moiety;ofc sorry ishould translate my drugs for globality
637439;1398230844;artifexd;BingoBoingo, we seem to both use english as a source for our vocabulary but you put words together in ways that completely confound me.
637440;1398230873;artifexd;"He didn't feel a smith." <- He didn't feel like a creator of stuff?
637441;1398230892;artifexd;"He feels the black" <- black as in ostracized?
637442;1398230901;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Maybe scroll up? Charles Sander Peirce (pronounced Purse) could simplify these rules
637443;1398230919;TestingUnoDosTre;moiety, how you know quetiapine isnt addictive?
637444;1398230966;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: It can be in prison
637445;1398230984;TestingUnoDosTre;cant all sleep aids be considered habit forming?
637446;1398230994;BingoBoingo;I've heard such from victims of my current legal adversary
637447;1398231025;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Who do you think you are?
637448;1398231035;BingoBoingo;Simply>
637449;1398231051;TestingUnoDosTre;is this like a metaphysical question or what?
637450;1398231122;TestingUnoDosTre;the reason why I asked about quetiapine is because I use it, and think of it as habit forming
637451;1398231150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39902 @ 0.00095402 = 38.0673 BTC [-] {2} 
637452;1398231166;moiety;TestingUnoDosTre: it's not by chemical nature. people can believe they are addicted to it, but it is not in the physical dependancy sense like benzodiazapines are
637453;1398231178;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Actual metaphysics is still physics
637454;1398231216;moiety;its also a mood lifter so it gets used for people with depression that have problems sleeping (the racing thought thing)
637455;1398231249;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Slightly different doses of these drugs have such different effects
637456;1398231279;BingoBoingo;Except ETOH, I'll blow when I get in from garage
637457;1398231294;TestingUnoDosTre;ahah alright
637458;1398231307;TestingUnoDosTre;bets on over / under .37?
637459;1398231351;BingoBoingo;I guess I can't bet because I am reading
637460;1398231378;TestingUnoDosTre;which side would you bet?
637461;1398231412;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: I'd bet over
637462;1398231692;moiety;<BingoBoingo> TestingUnoDosTre: Slightly different doses of these drugs have such different effects << so true
637463;1398231769;BingoBoingo;Lemme retreive the canon reference
637464;1398231796;BingoBoingo;;;google the most important article in psychiatry
637465;1398231796;gribble;Psychiatry articles: The New England Journal of Medicine: <http://www.nejm.org/psychiatry>; The Most Important Article On Psychiatry You Will Ever Read: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/07/the_most_important_article_on.html>; Psychiatry | BMJ: <http://www.bmj.com/specialties/psychiatry>
637466;1398231804;BingoBoingo;Link 2
637467;1398231811;BingoBoingo;Read it, niggas
637468;1398231933;moiety;i love that blog
637469;1398232000;moiety;my friend writes on antipsychiatry (a psychiatric nurse)
637470;1398232065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC
637471;1398232066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0075 = 1.5 BTC [+]
637472;1398232182;BingoBoingo;About to c=blow on the BAC. Any bets?
637473;1398232312;BingoBoingo;Who is over .4 and who is under .4?
637474;1398232376;artifexd;What are the odds?
637475;1398232434;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Scoop your shit and make them yourself
637476;1398232457;BingoBoingo;Bidding closes in 7 minute
637477;1398232460;BingoBoingo;s
637478;1398232497;artifexd;Another combination of words that confounds me.  "Scoop your shit" I don't understand.  "Make them yourself" I understand.
637479;1398232515;artifexd;;;google "Scoop your shit"
637480;1398232516;gribble;Urban Dictionary: The frito shit scoop: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The%20frito%20shit%20scoop>; Pet Poo Can Transmit Disease: Scoop Your Dog's Poop! - Yahoo ...: <http://voices.yahoo.com/pet-poo-transmit-disease-scoop-dogs-poop-12052938.html>; 10 Reasons to Scoop Your Dog's Poop - Petfinder: <http://www.petfinder.com/dogs/living-with-your-dog/scoop-dog-poop/>
637481;1398232522;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Have you ever owned a dog?
637482;1398232526;artifexd;Yes
637483;1398232545;artifexd;I currently have a 6 month old GSD.
637484;1398232562;moiety;i love GSDs
637485;1398232589;artifexd;Solid(ish) black is mine.
637486;1398232607;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Are you familiar how bitcoin works?
637487;1398232616;artifexd;Yes
637488;1398232663;BingoBoingo;Well...
637489;1398232664;artifexd;I am several orders of magnitude more familiar with bitcoin than pharmacology.
637490;1398232674;BingoBoingo;Cull your herd
637491;1398232796;artifexd;;;google "Cull your herd"
637492;1398232797;gribble;Culling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culling>; Culling the Cow Herd - OSU Beef Team: <http://beef.osu.edu/library/cull2.html>; How to Cull Cattle: 6 Steps - wikiHow: <http://www.wikihow.com/Cull-Cattle>
637493;1398232946;TestingUnoDosTre;thats a very well written article BingoBoingo
637494;1398233003;artifexd;You know, I gave serious thought to sponsoring your blog in exchange for you mentoring me.  Specifically for an agreement that you would explain stuff to me in terms that I could understand.
637495;1398233005;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Which one is mine though
637496;1398233027;BingoBoingo;artifexd: To you I offered nothing of the sort, nigger.
637497;1398233062;TestingUnoDosTre;I didn't say you wrote it, just posted.  "The most important article on psychiatry you will evar read"
637498;1398233064;artifexd;You did not.
637499;1398233142;BingoBoingo;Fuck it you are all a bunch of fucking kikes
637500;1398233146;artifexd;You were asking for funds and I thought about making an offer.
637501;1398233159;BingoBoingo;"Throw the jew down the well"
637502;1398233163;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0425 = 0.85 BTC [-]
637503;1398233175;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Maybe Milosevich pays better you nigger
637504;1398233219;artifexd;Which one?
637505;1398233383;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Slobodan, for Christ's sake (Because Jesus is in the Klan)
637506;1398233562;TestingUnoDosTre;.d
637507;1398233562;ozbot;6.979 billion | Next Diff in 1099 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.0353% in 6d 11h 36m 14s
637508;1398233651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00095365 = 16.975 BTC [-]
637509;1398234078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22526 @ 0.00095448 = 21.5006 BTC [+] {2} 
637510;1398234132;wywialm;good morning everyone
637511;1398234139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51674 @ 0.00095632 = 49.4169 BTC [+] {2} 
637512;1398234322;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
637513;1398234423;benkay;ping
637514;1398234430;wywialm;pong
637515;1398234431;benkay;;;laserkitteh
637516;1398234431;gribble;Error: "laserkitteh" is not a valid command.
637517;1398234478;BingoBoingo;benkay Plz do you have rifle thoughts?
637518;1398234510;TestingUnoDosTre;this bet really interests mehttp://bitbet.us/bet/783/bitcoin-incremental-difficulty-to-increase-by-3b-or/
637519;1398234515;moiety;whats the lasercats command
637520;1398234520;moiety;i need this info
637521;1398234611;*;moiety promises not to abuse it
637522;1398234624;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: I barely find you better than a cow
637523;1398234661;TestingUnoDosTre;like a tasty cow thats been grazing the grass
637524;1398234664;TestingUnoDosTre;?
637525;1398234685;moiety;udders
637526;1398234764;TestingUnoDosTre;;;lazerkitteh
637527;1398234764;gribble;Error: "lazerkitteh" is not a valid command.
637528;1398234883;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: On a scale of 1-10 how bored might you imagine myself
637529;1398234913;moiety;no lasers but enjoy this manul http://24.media.tumblr.com/f45c10e080ae5e4e28618b13cad577b4/tumblr_n0srda45nK1si93cio5_1280.jpg
637530;1398234971;BingoBoingo;Manul always gets to cheap out... Unlike people trying to chimp out
637531;1398235115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66184 @ 0.00095735 = 63.3613 BTC [+] {3} 
637532;1398235515;TestingUnoDosTre;6.66 out of 10, as in you have been more bored within the last 12 days BingoBoingo
637533;1398235571;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: I have bored more
637534;1398235690;cazalla;TestingUnoDosTre: don't you bet at the last moment though?
637535;1398235750;cazalla;that was only a playful dig btw :)
637536;1398236134;kanzure;asciilifeform: could you join ##hplusroadmap sometime? you have a small fanclub
637537;1398236243;benkay;;;lasers
637538;1398236244;gribble;┌� ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
637539;1398236762;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52176569 BTC [-]
637540;1398236823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.51710611 = 7.2395 BTC [-] {5} 
637541;1398236884;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.50850003 = 2.034 BTC [-] {3} 
637542;1398236945;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.508 = 1.016 BTC [-]
637543;1398236946;Naphex;;;lasers
637544;1398236946;gribble;┌� ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
637545;1398236948;Naphex;morning ;]
637546;1398237006;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 401 @ 0.00080882 = 0.3243 BTC [-] {5} 
637547;1398237067;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 345 @ 0.00078587 = 0.2711 BTC [-] {5} 
637548;1398237128;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 365 @ 0.00075199 = 0.2745 BTC [-] {4} 
637549;1398237372;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.03199 = 0.7998 BTC [+]
637550;1398238104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
637551;1398238287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28046 @ 0.00095864 = 26.886 BTC [+] {2} 
637552;1398238836;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00095865 = 16.9202 BTC [+]
637553;1398239324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33566 @ 0.00095765 = 32.1445 BTC [-] {2} 
637554;1398239690;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
637555;1398240727;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 90 @ 0.0742218 = 6.68 BTC [-]
637556;1398240910;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 100 @ 0.031 = 3.1 BTC [-]
637557;1398241947;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 47 @ 0.0742218 = 3.4884 BTC [-]
637558;1398242363;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: do you think there'd be any interest in rugby bets on BitBet, or is the sports betting crowd on their more US-sports-centric?
637559;1398242443;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: morning
637560;1398242502;mircea_popescu;heya
637561;1398242575;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I reached out to an affiliate manager I know of, great candidate, to see what it would cost to lure him away from his current venture...no word back
637562;1398242601;mircea_popescu;no rush either.
637563;1398242617;fluffypony;yerp, I'll look around peripherally and see if there's anyone I stumble across
637564;1398242669;mircea_popescu;yeah, kinda how this works.
637565;1398243445;mircea_popescu;omfg this chan has a log !?
637566;1398243553;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: ikr, I already had to wade through the alexsanjose interview and then there was all that stuff after
637567;1398243567;mircea_popescu;that's where i am.
637568;1398243576;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre: by the way, I'm really disappointed how bitbet posts latest bets to the front page. I sniped this coinlab bet from a few months , and someone just followed me << now you understand our evil.
637569;1398243594;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32592 @ 0.00095436 = 31.1045 BTC [-] {2} 
637570;1398243653;mircea_popescu;artifexd: To be really useful though, it should be run on your own server. << unless you actually lock the thing in a cage, it's not any safer on some server you own or on some server google owns.
637571;1398243742;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre: how do you gage memory recall?  << i'll tell you how. write 10k articles on your blog, then see if you can recall "where x was" when people ask.
637572;1398243752;mircea_popescu;because of google querying it becomes very atomic.
637573;1398243781;fluffypony;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7YmJZ-qVW8
637574;1398243781;ozbot;Dorian Nakamoto - Thank you Bitcoin Community - YouTube
637575;1398243795;mircea_popescu;joecool ^
637576;1398243795;fluffypony;shame, I'd hate to be that dude
637577;1398243798;bounce;but! faraday cage! tempest-proof cases! only glass for networking! solar powered! gotta be safe, no?
637578;1398243825;mircea_popescu;bounce i wouldn't trust a tempest-proof case rated as such by a us institution and/or manufactured by a us corp
637579;1398243994;bounce;tangentially, there was a... german? that came up with radar-absorbing paint. refused to sell to anyone but "the government" but those weren't interested. wonder if such paint would get you out of speeding tickets. though with ANPR that's a bit moot these days.
637580;1398244070;fluffypony;bounce: I worked on an ANPR system for a parking garage years ago (2003?) to catch tail-gaters
637581;1398244097;*;bounce blames fluffypony for the rise of the ANPR databases
637582;1398244101;mircea_popescu;actually, i recall a time when romanian police used plain radars on the roads, and you could get electronic invisibility kits
637583;1398244111;fluffypony;once it was working with reasonable accuracy it was quite astonishing to see how many peopel tailgated and then came back days and weeks later
637584;1398244121;fluffypony;got clamped, claimed they never tailgated and always paid parking
637585;1398244126;mircea_popescu;(they just spotted the radar and replied with a pulse, making it take its own pulse reply as random scatter and discard the measurement)
637586;1398244146;Naphex;ftp :)
637587;1398244152;mircea_popescu;ah there you are.
637588;1398244156;Naphex;police managed to get my license, a week ago
637589;1398244166;Naphex;they nailed me in a police action with a granny crossing:(
637590;1398244178;bounce;IIRC that security book linked earlier starts out with a discussion of how the military had a jolly time playing radar cat'n'mouse
637591;1398244179;mircea_popescu;yo Naphex. i wanna do the following : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-04-2014#636082
637592;1398244275;Naphex;let me read up and figure out whats going on
637593;1398244650;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/7H9gskb.jpg
637594;1398244688;bounce;IKINMK
637595;1398244694;mircea_popescu;lol that horse looks uniquely unconvinced
637596;1398244720;bounce;you're an expert on horsey expressions now?
637597;1398244756;fluffypony;bounce: it's a subset of Mirceanomics
637598;1398244763;fluffypony;or a practical application of it
637599;1398244797;bounce;"forget the bear, forget the bull, behold the horse"
637600;1398244846;bounce;though I suspect donkeys might still be more common in romania
637601;1398244850;fluffypony;I'm quite horseish on Bitcoin
637602;1398245082;fluffypony;BFL apologist on Reddit: "Many other manufacturers do the same. So my miner was used by BFL for 24 hours before they shipped it to me. Big deal. EDIT: And I've been happy with the BFL hardware I've used. Granted I did have to wait a long time for it - and although this is endemic in this industry, it's true that their waiting times have been perhaps somewhat worse than some of their competitors."
637603;1398245086;fluffypony;didn't know they still existed
637604;1398245176;bounce;bit of a horse trade, eh
637605;1398245339;fluffypony;an honest review of Neo&Bee stock: http://i.imgur.com/42c7pNg.jpg
637606;1398246278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5513 @ 0.00095878 = 5.2858 BTC [+] {2} 
637607;1398246513;fluffypony;I like this: "Mining pools are Guild Navigators. Nodes are Sand Worms. Developers are the Fremen. reddit trols are House Harkonen. Bitcoin, of course, is Spice."
637608;1398246549;fluffypony;heh - "Satoshi = Kwisatz Haderach"
637609;1398246936;davout;asciilifeform: in case you want to add that to your collection -> http://i.imgur.com/S4IoBB8.jpg
637610;1398247132;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5080001 = 1.524 BTC [+]
637611;1398247315;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06575187 = 0.1315 BTC [+]
637612;1398247559;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06574714 = 0.1972 BTC [+]
637613;1398247629;fluffypony;http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=139819485423701&w=2
637614;1398247635;ozbot;'FIPS mode is not coming back' - MARC
637615;1398247998;Apocalyptic;davout, is the guy right of MP TAT ?
637616;1398248032;davout;Apocalyptic: no, i'm the green bush on the left side of the picture
637617;1398248071;Apocalyptic;i know who you are
637618;1398248869;Naphex;So AtlasATS is partnering with NSE
637619;1398248875;HeySteve;hey fluffypony and mircea_popescu, been considering the Sybil problem
637620;1398248875;Naphex;even after that hickup, what a week ago?:)
637621;1398248891;Naphex;http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304049904579518224044905190?mg=reno64-ws (paywall'd)
637622;1398248915;HeySteve;a possible solution is moderation
637623;1398248917;fluffypony;Naphex: if you click through from Google the paywall is gone
637624;1398248936;Naphex;nothing of value anyway
637625;1398248968;fluffypony;HeySteve: then you end up with a "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" problem
637626;1398248983;fluffypony;HeySteve: aka bitcointalk's "default trust" nonsense
637627;1398248991;HeySteve;if we consider trust as it's presently used as separate to what I'd call "realism"
637628;1398249024;HeySteve;evidence of the person's existence, as vetted by other "proven humans"
637629;1398249047;HeySteve;no, it's fairly decentralised, no centralised watchers necessary
637630;1398249067;HeySteve;for example. I have low trust of Karpeles, I wouldn't let him watch my wallet
637631;1398249081;HeySteve;but I know for an almost certainty that bastard exists someplace, he's no fiction
637632;1398249173;HeySteve;so to apply it, whoever proves an identity is hollow claims a portion of that identity's rep. workable? just an idea really, kicking it around
637633;1398249192;HeySteve;bbl
637634;1398250426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12409 @ 0.00095891 = 11.8991 BTC [+]
637635;1398250914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00095919 = 6.0909 BTC [+] {2} 
637636;1398251524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.0009595 = 27.3458 BTC [+]
637637;1398251979;bounce;so the SEC recognises "National Stock Exchange" (never heard of'em) as a SRO and now they're going to set rules for Atlas ATS. any rules are good rules, amirite or amirite?
637638;1398252195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00095659 = 54.0473 BTC [-]
637639;1398252753;fluffypony;I don't actually get the relationship
637640;1398252777;fluffypony;are they piggy-backing off the NSE's recognition in order to avoid needing to get approval anywhere?
637641;1398253903;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00454592 = 0.3773 BTC [-] {4} 
637642;1398253964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06573551 = 0.3287 BTC [-] {2} 
637643;1398253965;ThickAsThieves;morning
637644;1398253989;ThickAsThieves;would you enjoy some broken glass for breakfast? http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg04972.html
637645;1398253990;fluffypony;morn
637646;1398253994;fluffypony;*ing
637647;1398254024;ThickAsThieves;Hearn "Although I never expected it when I first started using Bitcoin, nowadays most of my purchases with it are for food and drink. If Bitcoin could not support such purchases, I would use it much less."
637648;1398254079;ThickAsThieves;he's proposing some sort of meta double-spending for the motherland
637649;1398254091;ThickAsThieves;to prevent BitUndo
637650;1398254099;ThickAsThieves;and other meanie miners
637651;1398254104;davout;;;rate mircea_popescu 4 met IRL twice, honored oral bet for .5 BTC
637652;1398254105;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 3 to 4.
637653;1398254148;ThickAsThieves;how you know it's a good idea? "This may seem a radical suggestion, but I think it's much less radical than
637654;1398254148;ThickAsThieves;some of the others being thrown around."
637655;1398254155;ThickAsThieves;it's the best of the worst!
637656;1398254195;ThickAsThieves;"The above approach works as long as the majority of hashpower is honest"
637657;1398254196;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: imho Bitcoin isn't designed to be used for a quick purchase of food and drink...but a system that has convenience + chargebacks can be built on top of Bitcoin quite easily (the way credit cards and PayPal are all essentially built on top of cash)
637658;1398254222;ThickAsThieves;well, bitcoin also happens to already have a system for preventing double spends
637659;1398254232;ThickAsThieves;he wants to put more system in his system
637660;1398254251;ThickAsThieves;because "honesty"
637661;1398254264;fluffypony;yes
637662;1398254283;davout;ThickAsThieves: I HERD U LIKE SYSTEMZ
637663;1398254284;fluffypony;but the current system is bad for line-at-Starbucks-and-everyone-wants-to-pay-with-BTC
637664;1398254300;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if he'd build the best way to double spend by trying to make the best way to prevent it
637665;1398254305;ThickAsThieves;these people...
637666;1398254342;fluffypony;maybe time for some FUD posts on triple spends :-P
637667;1398254374;HeySteve;double spend is going to be a hard solution to sell
637668;1398254378;davout;fluffypony: WE HERD YOU LIKE DOUBLESPENDZ
637669;1398254399;HeySteve;this reminds me of redlisting suggestion
637670;1398254405;fluffypony;davout: SO WE PUT SOME TRIPLESPENDZ IN YOUR DOUBLESPENDZ SO YOU CAN QUADRUPLESPENDZ WHILE YOU SPENDZ
637671;1398254491;ThickAsThieves;i guess he really is a NSA plant
637672;1398254731;chetty;ThickAsThieves, who?
637673;1398254791;ThickAsThieves;Mike Hearn
637674;1398254812;fluffypony;My Kern
637675;1398254825;chetty;plant might be strong, maybe bought
637676;1398254864;ThickAsThieves;Darling I don't know why I go to extremes
637677;1398254865;ThickAsThieves;Too high or too low there ain't no in-betweens
637678;1398254865;ThickAsThieves;And if I stand or I fall
637679;1398254865;ThickAsThieves;It's all or nothing at all
637680;1398254865;ThickAsThieves;Darling I don't know why I go to extremes
637681;1398254874;HeySteve;so what he proposes is honest miners submit double spends to certain pools, if those pools process them then ... what? all their blocks are rejected by the rest of the network somehow?
637682;1398254897;ThickAsThieves;they are like a backup plan or someshit
637683;1398254910;ThickAsThieves;he's basically building a BETTER BitUndo, i think/....
637684;1398254947;HeySteve;well, is it possible to accidentally a block containing a double spend?
637685;1398254973;ThickAsThieves;who knows what's possible when you add a new feature that already exists
637686;1398254993;ThickAsThieves;and when that is the same person whom, if i recall, helped the last fork occur
637687;1398255020;chetty;very statist, fix problems that don't exist thus creating problems that do
637688;1398255033;HeySteve;I thought bitundo resolved as unlikely to work as a service
637689;1398255059;ThickAsThieves;well it's more likely to work early
637690;1398255067;Naphex;so here is something interesting, http://vib.is/fraedsla/bein-utsending/  investor round table for Bitcoin in island :]
637691;1398255068;ThickAsThieves;or sumth
637692;1398255082;Naphex;don't know whats going on but one of the guys there is the lead economist at CCP/Eve Online http://vib.is/fraedsla/bein-utsending/
637693;1398255184;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34400 @ 0.00095762 = 32.9421 BTC [+] {2} 
637694;1398255186;Naphex;if i would've had more time i would deffinetly do a ISK/BTC exchange just for fun:D
637695;1398255279;ThickAsThieves;someone is suggesting that Hearn is trolling
637696;1398255292;HeySteve;http://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg04962.html
637697;1398255292;ozbot;[Bitcoin-development] Double-spending unconfirmed transactions is a lot easier than most people real
637698;1398255297;ThickAsThieves;wouldnt that be a great way to start my day
637699;1398255301;ThickAsThieves;trolled by Hearn
637700;1398255550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0435 = 0.2175 BTC [+] {2} 
637701;1398255551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03199 = 0.128 BTC [+]
637702;1398255552;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
637703;1398255611;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03199 = 0.128 BTC [+]
637704;1398255612;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0435 = 0.174 BTC [+]
637705;1398255613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
637706;1398255672;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03199 = 0.128 BTC [+]
637707;1398255673;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0435 = 0.174 BTC [+]
637708;1398255674;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
637709;1398255733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.0742218 = 0.8164 BTC [-] {2} 
637710;1398255734;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03199 = 0.2239 BTC [+]
637711;1398255735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0435 = 0.3045 BTC [+]
637712;1398256243;ThickAsThieves;Would it be correct to say that Reddit is broken economy in that downvoters are not identified?
637713;1398256272;Naphex;some downvotes are auto and not from downvoters anyway
637714;1398256278;Naphex;to get the hot thing going
637715;1398256292;ThickAsThieves;doesnt really change my question though
637716;1398256306;ThickAsThieves;those could still be identified as such
637717;1398256450;Naphex;i wouldn't read too much into it
637718;1398256456;Naphex;just a ranking algo, doing its job
637719;1398256462;Naphex;showing the most voted stuff up
637720;1398256507;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: what's the medium of exchange?
637721;1398256510;Naphex;http://amix.dk/blog/post/19588
637722;1398256745;ThickAsThieves;karma / points
637723;1398256766;ThickAsThieves;yesterday it was already established that a point system could work as an economy
637724;1398256795;fluffypony;yes, but how do you exchange them between individuals?
637725;1398256804;fluffypony;"upvote my post and I'll upvote yours" ?
637726;1398256806;ThickAsThieves;same as with WoT ratings
637727;1398256822;ThickAsThieves;for every post every user gets one pos coin and one neg coin
637728;1398256839;fluffypony;except with WoT the medium of exchange is Bitcoin, by the Trilema post?
637729;1398256846;ThickAsThieves;no
637730;1398256856;ThickAsThieves;in the WoT the moe is rating points
637731;1398256871;ThickAsThieves;read yesterdays log
637732;1398256894;ThickAsThieves;i was exploring whether the the WoT itself contains an economy
637733;1398256896;fluffypony;must've missed that, I will
637734;1398256902;HeySteve;rating points are only as good as their issuer
637735;1398256970;ThickAsThieves;well, theyre only as good as the person assessing the issuer decided
637736;1398256981;ThickAsThieves;(just pointing out the value is dynamic)
637737;1398257083;HeySteve;how about a system where ratings are destroyed if the issuer is collectively deemed a fake or scammer?
637738;1398257128;ThickAsThieves;"destroyed" is not always an easy thing to identify
637739;1398257136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82100 @ 0.00096057 = 78.8628 BTC [+] {3} 
637740;1398257136;ThickAsThieves;in WoT,
637741;1398257140;ThickAsThieves;you dont destroy points
637742;1398257146;ThickAsThieves;you take them back
637743;1398257173;ThickAsThieves;they always exist
637744;1398257212;Naphex;where do you get them points from?
637745;1398257251;ThickAsThieves;in WoT? For every user created, each other user received 10 pos "coins" and 10 neg "coins"
637746;1398257270;ThickAsThieves;the rules of the economy state thpse coins can only be used with that user
637747;1398257308;ThickAsThieves;and that the original owner can take them back at any time
637748;1398257337;ThickAsThieves;it's certainly not a typical or, arguably, ideal, economy
637749;1398257345;ThickAsThieves;but i think it qualifies nonetheless
637750;1398257359;HeySteve;I'm still stuck on this Sybil thing :) if you identify a puppet troupe, is there a mechanism to neutralise it beyond information-sharing?
637751;1398257392;ThickAsThieves;well is that a feature required within Mircea's theory?
637752;1398257413;ThickAsThieves;nowhere does it say you must be able to remove threat
637753;1398257420;ThickAsThieves;you must only have ability to identify one
637754;1398257431;ThickAsThieves;and punish one
637755;1398257433;HeySteve;oh, well I am talking more with a view to my project, still reading on MP's theory
637756;1398257448;ThickAsThieves;whats your project again?
637757;1398257454;ThickAsThieves;we could run it through the test
637758;1398257459;ThickAsThieves;and maybe see if you have a hole
637759;1398257462;HeySteve;essentially to integrate a reputation system within a blockchain
637760;1398257467;HeySteve;cool I'd appreciate it
637761;1398257469;ThickAsThieves;ok
637762;1398257475;ThickAsThieves;well
637763;1398257503;HeySteve;mircea_popescu suggested I share one of the key elements, which is that trust rating influences mining rewards
637764;1398257505;ThickAsThieves;first it is not yet proven that all systems require an "mircean" economy, though i suspect they do
637765;1398257512;HeySteve;this makes things a little trickier
637766;1398257529;HeySteve;decentralised system, this is?
637767;1398257554;ThickAsThieves;his theory doenst outright require decentralization either
637768;1398257572;kakobrekla;taaki didit.
637769;1398257597;HeySteve;all right, so medium of exchange, punishment gazette, public forum
637770;1398257601;ThickAsThieves;right
637771;1398257608;ThickAsThieves;what is your system's MoE?
637772;1398257612;ThickAsThieves;ratings right?
637773;1398257614;HeySteve;altcoin
637774;1398257619;ThickAsThieves;oh
637775;1398257620;ThickAsThieves;hehe
637776;1398257625;ThickAsThieves;so it has two?
637777;1398257632;HeySteve;or bitcoin if a sidechain, if that happens
637778;1398257635;ThickAsThieves;you can rate people AND get paid?
637779;1398257647;HeySteve;having two allows secure lending
637780;1398257653;ThickAsThieves;ick...
637781;1398257654;HeySteve;lending against rep
637782;1398257666;ThickAsThieves;hold up
637783;1398257676;ThickAsThieves;your goal is to make a rating system?
637784;1398257679;HeySteve;yes, you can rate and transact
637785;1398257679;ThickAsThieves;or a lending one?
637786;1398257704;ThickAsThieves;if both, handle them separately
637787;1398257707;HeySteve;the goal is to make a less scammy cryptocurrency
637788;1398257714;kakobrekla;as long as you can attach you linkedin profile to it, you should be fine!
637789;1398257715;HeySteve;oh yes, they are separate
637790;1398257736;HeySteve;oh crumbs no linkedin
637791;1398257783;kakobrekla;http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE0LzA0LzIyL2Q3LzA3Ljc2MWQ1LmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTg1MHg1OTA-CmUJanBn/be4d57af/5f9/07.jpg
637792;1398257785;ThickAsThieves;so by my subtheory, i'd say you need all the mircean features in both systems
637793;1398257813;HeySteve;well, public forum... yes I knocked up a quick phpBB for testing
637794;1398257856;ThickAsThieves;it seems odd to me that you are recreating the WoT, when it already exists
637795;1398257876;ThickAsThieves;wouldnt it be more productive to improve the existing one by helping with decentralization efforts or such?
637796;1398257929;kakobrekla;he just wants to make a spoonfork
637797;1398257933;HeySteve;well, that is indeed how I hope things turn out
637798;1398257952;HeySteve;here is one potential way to decentralise it
637799;1398257963;ThickAsThieves;;;ud spork
637800;1398257964;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spork | And on the 8th day, God decided that Adam and Eve needed a multipurpose silverware item. Thus, the spork, a combination of the prongede wrath of th...
637801;1398257964;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: spork
637802;1398257969;HeySteve;:)
637803;1398257980;kakobrekla;its ok for camping, but normally its used in a separate form
637804;1398258036;HeySteve;well if a fork is for stabbing, a blockchain is for timestamping as nanotube said to me
637805;1398258054;ThickAsThieves;http://cache.backpackinglight.com/backpackinglight/images/items/light-my-fire-spork-xm-M.jpg
637806;1398258079;ThickAsThieves;apparently even the spork needed innovating
637807;1398258097;kakobrekla;wheres the chopstick in this thing
637808;1398258104;HeySteve;timestamping doesn't initially seem to add much to a WoT, but I'm starting to think the more data points the easier to spot Sibyls
637809;1398258106;ThickAsThieves;sold separately
637810;1398258127;HeySteve;an individual is easy to fake, a real network much harder (so my theory goes)
637811;1398258143;ThickAsThieves;time-stamping is useful
637812;1398258183;ThickAsThieves;it helps someone add context when asessing ratings
637813;1398258197;ThickAsThieves;assessing*
637814;1398258209;HeySteve;is there a time associated with anything but registration in the WoT?
637815;1398258260;HeySteve;I'm thinking rating will be a transaction, so that's timestamped and recorded. as you say, it is another level of context
637816;1398258270;ThickAsThieves;yeah it stores when you rated someone
637817;1398258272;ThickAsThieves;right?
637818;1398258293;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust kakobrekla
637819;1398258294;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 18 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011
637820;1398258295;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17883 @ 0.0009564 = 17.1033 BTC [-] {2} 
637821;1398258297;Naphex;so.. why not just rate bitcoin transactions?
637822;1398258306;Naphex;make it signed before you submit a rateing
637823;1398258309;ThickAsThieves;i have no argument there
637824;1398258313;Naphex;and from the same source
637825;1398258335;ThickAsThieves;i also have no basic problem with integrating a WoT into the blockchain
637826;1398258360;ThickAsThieves;but this might be due to my ignorance with problems of using the chain for things it wasnt "designed" for
637827;1398258375;Naphex;A sells Douche to B through bitcoin, B cand then send a signed rate after.
637828;1398258390;mircea_popescu;<HeySteve> a possible solution is moderation << doesn't work for bitcointalk.
637829;1398258442;HeySteve;right ThickAsThieves
637830;1398258446;bounce;case study in where moderation breaks down
637831;1398258461;HeySteve;heh mircea_popescu, I mean something inspired by the voicing in here
637832;1398258472;fluffypony;voice isn't moderated
637833;1398258474;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves Hearn << "If things evolved naturally, I'd end up mattering much less, which is to say my current denial of my own irrelevance would become much more difficult to maintain, even in my own eyes".
637834;1398258477;mircea_popescu;seems about right.
637835;1398258490;ThickAsThieves;i think the point of the mircean way is to have "moderation" be dynamic to the viewer
637836;1398258514;ThickAsThieves;the system provides all the info needed to decide for yourself
637837;1398258516;HeySteve;fluffypony, nonetheless it is necessary to have at least level 2 trust with assbot or be vouched for to participate
637838;1398258519;fluffypony;there's that point about #bitcoin-assets +m producing an aristocracy, of sorts, but that's not the same as modereation
637839;1398258522;bounce;usenet was pretty spiffy before AOL though. even if you needed a sometimes gigantic killfile
637840;1398258539;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 64 @ 0.06594801 = 4.2207 BTC [+] {5} 
637841;1398258541;HeySteve;ok fluffypony, fair enough, I need a better word for it
637842;1398258545;mircea_popescu;<ThickAsThieves> who knows what's possible when you add a new feature that already exists << lmao
637843;1398258551;ThickAsThieves;fluffypony, note that this chan does not moderate who can view it
637844;1398258557;fluffypony;^^
637845;1398258577;mircea_popescu;<Naphex> if i would've had more time i would deffinetly do a ISK/BTC exchange just for fun:D << or else just join 1BTC, bitcoin's eve guild, where shares are tradeable for mpex shares etc.
637846;1398258583;HeySteve;essentially mining rights will be restricted to those who have been vouched for or rated as definitely being real people
637847;1398258599;mircea_popescu;<ThickAsThieves> Would it be correct to say that Reddit is broken economy in that downvoters are not identified? << yes, but at an "at least in that"
637848;1398258636;bounce;o_O? blah now I need to go dig.
637849;1398258656;mircea_popescu;<HeySteve> I'm still stuck on this Sybil thing :) if you identify a puppet troupe, is there a mechanism to neutralise it beyond information-sharing? << no, by definition.
637850;1398258657;ThickAsThieves;wait you wanna moderate mining rights?
637851;1398258685;mircea_popescu;<ThickAsThieves> first it is not yet proven that all systems require an "mircean" economy, though i suspect they do << all systems contain one, whether aware or not, i'd say.
637852;1398258744;ThickAsThieves;all "sustainable" systems at least
637853;1398258751;mircea_popescu;<HeySteve> timestamping doesn't initially seem to add much to a WoT, but I'm starting to think the more data points the easier to spot Sibyls <<< wot has timestamps as it is.
637854;1398258770;mircea_popescu;blockchain would only add some further trust to the already existing states, is all.
637855;1398258825;mircea_popescu;HeySteve voice here is a wholly innovative, quite well designed thing. it has exactly nothing in common with "moderation" as used on the interwebs forums
637856;1398258888;mircea_popescu;<ThickAsThieves> all "sustainable" systems at least <<< all systems with moving parts.
637857;1398258907;mircea_popescu;that's wehy it';s so important, that theory : because it describes the limits of the possibility of being,
637858;1398258917;mircea_popescu;it's not a technology, it's ontology.
637859;1398258955;ThickAsThieves;so what steps are needed to make this theory a law?
637860;1398259009;mircea_popescu;people spending a while trying to find a contradiction with reality and failing to do so.
637861;1398259032;chetty;yeah keep trying to disprove
637862;1398259048;fluffypony;that would make it akin to a natural law, yes?
637863;1398259091;ThickAsThieves;itll be a tough one to prove
637864;1398259103;ThickAsThieves;since a broken economy can exist for a long time
637865;1398259111;ThickAsThieves;and people will keep pointing to those
637866;1398259113;fluffypony;true
637867;1398259145;HeySteve;this is why I asked about decentralised systems
637868;1398259168;chetty;humans break everything, its a natural law
637869;1398259170;bounce;just add brokers, and free market theory says it'll cease to be broken. well, at least the brokers won't go broke.
637870;1398259343;chetty;https://twitter.com/wences/status/458956014474502144/photo/1
637871;1398259484;mircea_popescu;fluffypony yeah, kinda how darwin's stuff ended up law.
637872;1398259500;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves but functional is no argument in this discussion.
637873;1398259552;ThickAsThieves;but how do you prove that a functional economy is broken?
637874;1398259563;ThickAsThieves;other than by saying it's missing mircean qualities
637875;1398259625;ThickAsThieves;you can't say, the definition of "definition" is definition
637876;1398259672;ThickAsThieves;(unless you are a BitBet mod)
637877;1398259673;ThickAsThieves;;)
637878;1398259751;HeySteve;I would tentatively suggest an economy is broken if it leaks value into competing economies
637879;1398259823;mircea_popescu;no but listen, this is not a discussion of whether a house collapsed
637880;1398259830;mircea_popescu;it's a discussion of whether it has load bearing walls.
637881;1398259841;mircea_popescu;of fucking course it does, whether it falls down or not.
637882;1398259860;mircea_popescu;the concept of load bearing can be illustrated by proving that the walls that stand actually have loadbearing ability in excess of the load
637883;1398259864;mircea_popescu;and the walls that fall vice versa
637884;1398259874;mircea_popescu;it can't be disproven by showing some houses standing.
637885;1398260003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 825 @ 0.00095565 = 0.7884 BTC [-]
637886;1398260069;ThickAsThieves;i understand, yet can't grok how you'd actually go about proving a "house" can stand without load-bearing walls, in practice
637887;1398260092;ThickAsThieves;is US economy an offender of your theory?
637888;1398260095;mircea_popescu;by proving that, for instance, kali-of-the-tits holds up houses
637889;1398260133;Naphex;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23r9n2/lets_use_mike_hearns_coinbase_reallocation_to/
637890;1398260137;Naphex;ah good ol reddit dukeouts
637891;1398260137;mircea_popescu;and there's no such thing as gravity etc.
637892;1398260175;ThickAsThieves;naphex thats what i was discussing earlier
637893;1398260187;ThickAsThieves;that post is petertodd trolling Hearn
637894;1398260210;Naphex;yeah just finished checking it out
637895;1398260213;Naphex;lots of work today
637896;1398260221;mircea_popescu;fucking outrageous.
637897;1398260269;mircea_popescu;anyway, off to lunch.
637898;1398260397;HeySteve;heh
637899;1398260475;HeySteve;I give peter todd points for style, mike hearn sounds very grumpy
637900;1398260533;ThickAsThieves;mircea_popescu ALERT! ALERT! http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/04/23/buffett-cant-find-bear-for-berkshire-annual-meeting/
637901;1398260539;ThickAsThieves;"It’s hard to find someone who wants to go on record betting against Warren Buffett."
637902;1398260549;fluffypony;lol
637903;1398260606;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu  https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/449558141525827584 < did you know wences runs that thing? (i did not)
637904;1398260711;Naphex;bbl o/
637905;1398260935;asciilifeform;wences, the one with the missile silo ?
637906;1398260971;kakobrekla;i dunno about missile silo
637907;1398261040;asciilifeform;in his place, i would've sprung for a satellite constellation, storage using shamir's splitter algo.
637908;1398261043;asciilifeform;but what do i know.
637909;1398261084;fluffypony;asciilifeform: but you don't have (c) and tm after that, so how can anyone trust you to store their BTC safely?
637910;1398261102;asciilifeform;lol
637911;1398261134;asciilifeform;just store it in... your nuke.
637912;1398261168;asciilifeform;http://northernrob.smugmug.com/Other/Various-Bike-Pics/i-Z3Vn98M/0/L/Richs-Royal-Enfield-Nuke-Bike-L.jpg
637913;1398261180;kakobrekla;speaking of sats
637914;1398261182;kakobrekla;http://www.coindesk.com/jeff-garzik-announces-partnership-launch-bitcoin-satellites-space/
637915;1398261185;kakobrekla;here, some yellow press.
637916;1398261280;asciilifeform;notice what isn't in a 'cubesat.'
637917;1398261341;fluffypony;holy cowbell the ignornace
637918;1398261343;fluffypony;ignorance
637919;1398261346;fluffypony;"a 512GB SSD Drive will do in the satellite for the coming 10 years. It will barely consume power and generate next to no heat at all.... It is not like we are sending miners into space, just public nodes carrying the blockchain...."
637920;1398261360;asciilifeform;come on, what's missing ?
637921;1398261384;asciilifeform;there's an obvious attribute of 'adult' sats that is nowhere
637922;1398261402;fluffypony;asciilifeform: a computer? some form of communication?
637923;1398261522;asciilifeform;damnit
637924;1398261525;asciilifeform;thrusters.
637925;1398261526;ThickAsThieves;ability to manuever?
637926;1398261529;fluffypony;ah
637927;1398261537;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves << winner
637928;1398261557;*;fluffypony sends ThickAsThieves 203928312 ATC
637929;1398261587;fluffypony;or Timekoin if you'd prefer
637930;1398261774;HeySteve;are thrusters required to stop the orbit degrading or something?
637931;1398261776;ThickAsThieves;asciilifeform, have you seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_6p-1J551Y
637932;1398261833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15752 @ 0.00095284 = 15.0091 BTC [-]
637933;1398261876;asciilifeform;http://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1144&context=smallsat  (pdf)
637934;1398261883;asciilifeform;see pg. 2
637935;1398261891;asciilifeform;pathetic lifetimes.
637936;1398261894;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52514439 BTC [+]
637937;1398261904;asciilifeform;'low orbit is no orbit.'
637938;1398261941;asciilifeform;cubesats are normally a thing for engineering students.
637939;1398261943;asciilifeform;an exercise.
637940;1398261955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.52961812 = 5.8258 BTC [+] {5} 
637941;1398261987;ThickAsThieves;making garzik's soliciting for donations that much more ugly
637942;1398262000;ThickAsThieves;let's all buy a toy!
637943;1398262016;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.52840909 = 11.625 BTC [-] {2} 
637944;1398262024;davout;fluffypony: aren't SSD drives the least durable one could pick?
637945;1398262042;fluffypony;davout: yeah I don't know what that commenter was thinking
637946;1398262048;asciilifeform;in herr casares's place, i'd actually consider deep ocean sonobuoys.
637947;1398262048;HeySteve;so about 3 years and it burns up?
637948;1398262048;ThickAsThieves;commenters sayng stuff like "This satellite is really important for the future of bitcoin."
637949;1398262060;asciilifeform;HeySteve: try 3 weeks.
637950;1398262061;ThickAsThieves;"There are so many smart forward thinkers in the digital currency space. I'm so impressed."
637951;1398262062;fluffypony;davout: they're probably thinking they can just send a Raspberry Pi and an SSD up and it'll work
637952;1398262078;HeySteve;asciilifeform, going on deploy date vs. decay date in the stats there
637953;1398262095;asciilifeform;;;google SOFAR channel
637954;1398262096;gribble;SOFAR channel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOFAR_channel>; SOFAR channel - NOAA Ocean Explorer: <http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/sound01/background/acoustics/media/sofar.html>; DOSITS: Sound Travel in the SOFAR Channel: <http://www.dosits.org/science/soundmovement/sofar/sofartravel/>
637955;1398262115;HeySteve;it seems they CAN stay up a while, what is different between the ones that last 1000+ days and the month long ones?
637956;1398262127;ThickAsThieves;HeySteve, but note the newer cubes last the least amount of time
637957;1398262136;asciilifeform;sink'em. comms via sonar. no radiation problems, no decay, use thermocline with 'peltier' for energy source.
637958;1398262146;HeySteve;is it the launch vehicle, ones deployed low fail quickly perhaps?
637959;1398262154;asciilifeform;and let it pop its keys if barometer reveals that it's been fished out.
637960;1398262167;asciilifeform;make the chassis from 'inconel' or similar alloy.
637961;1398262181;asciilifeform;3000+ yrs. in salt water, no corrosion
637962;1398262258;asciilifeform;and then you're rid of the Procrustean size limits of orbiting widgets
637963;1398262296;asciilifeform;to talk to 'seacoin' all you'd need is a hydrophone and a few km of fishing line.
637964;1398262306;davout;asciilifeform: enjoy your tectonic plates
637965;1398262325;asciilifeform;davout: nobody said it'd be trivial
637966;1398262361;asciilifeform;davout: likewise, note that these wouldn't sit on the floor
637967;1398262385;ThickAsThieves;they would live inside a whale
637968;1398262388;asciilifeform;you want them bobbing about as close to SOFAR depth as possible
637969;1398262393;HeySteve;but what about... bitcoin whales (drumroll)
637970;1398262408;ThickAsThieves;Pinnochio Nodes
637971;1398262417;asciilifeform;ideally they'd have a solid-state (piezo?) 'swim bladder'
637972;1398262440;ThickAsThieves;Pinocchio*
637973;1398262465;ThickAsThieves;Pinodecchio
637974;1398262465;HeySteve;asciilifeform, if you're willing to talk me through the science I'll write about Cubesats fails because F coindesk
637975;1398262495;ThickAsThieves;naming even works with Rasberry Pi!
637976;1398262565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52422529 = 1.5727 BTC [-] {2} 
637977;1398262574;davout;HeySteve: lol
637978;1398262579;*;asciilifeform blows dust off shelv
637979;1398262592;asciilifeform;wertz & larson, 'space mission analysis and design'
637980;1398262603;asciilifeform;get thee to library.
637981;1398262637;asciilifeform;'reducing space mission cost' (same)
637982;1398262703;asciilifeform;if you like physical security exotica, consider poseidon's kingdom instead.
637983;1398262756;asciilifeform;deep sea machines don't orbit decay.
637984;1398262802;HeySteve;someone is offering his 3d printed cubesat to the project
637985;1398262806;asciilifeform;$10 anchor instead of $10M rocket laugh^H^Hnch
637986;1398262867;HeySteve;"for the amount saved in mass, you may like to add extra avionics to BitSat."
637987;1398262882;asciilifeform;yeah let's put plastic in orbit.
637988;1398262889;asciilifeform;can i get off this planet plz
637989;1398262901;asciilifeform;my bogodosimeter's maxed out
637990;1398262965;kakobrekla;take me with you, ill pay for half the fuel.
637991;1398262970;asciilifeform;http://dev.solita.fi/img/beyond-cargo-cult-software-design/cargoplane.jpg
637992;1398263114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34421 @ 0.00095313 = 32.8077 BTC [+]
637993;1398263165;asciilifeform;now if you like yer brain coming out yer ears, remember that launching (orbit, sea, mars, wherever) is the easy part
637994;1398263202;asciilifeform;i was once taught 'gypsy recipe for chicken' - '1) first, find a chicken'
637995;1398263205;asciilifeform;we haven't the chicken
637996;1398263219;asciilifeform;e.g. computer suitable for the application.
637997;1398263262;*;asciilifeform imagines the moneyed idiot who launches a 'pc-compatible' running existing softs, for security-critical application
637998;1398263399;kakobrekla;happens all the time
637999;1398263734;Duffer1;http://www.coindesk.com/jeff-garzik-announces-partnership-launch-bitcoin-satellites-space/
638000;1398263744;kakobrekla;trice.
638001;1398263757;asciilifeform;this isn't merely sad
638002;1398263761;asciilifeform;it's undergrad-level sad.
638003;1398263846;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00481945 = 0.2988 BTC [+] {3} 
638004;1398263878;asciilifeform;there's a certain engineering dynamic at work, where the poor schmuck begins to contemplate what it would take to -actually- solve the problem, and then his starfish begins to pucker
638005;1398263895;asciilifeform;and he decides that arithmetic won't apply to him if he 'want it enough'
638006;1398263942;fluffypony;why do I open my big mouth in the comments section
638007;1398263943;fluffypony;"An SSD is non-magnetic storage, there is not really any protection needed. Put a metal case around it and im pretty sure it can drop from the atmosphere into the ground at free fall speed and still operate once free'd from the metal casing"
638008;1398263959;*;fluffypony bangs head into table
638009;1398263981;kakobrekla;the real problem with ssd is the controller on it
638010;1398263997;fluffypony;someone else said "tungsten is the high density option- polyethylene is the low option. also, for circular orbits below 1000 km radiation is nominal in terms of bitflips etc."
638011;1398264000;fluffypony;re: shielding it
638012;1398264015;asciilifeform;ssd doesn't do terribly well here on earth.
638013;1398264022;asciilifeform;;;google ssd ion migration
638014;1398264023;gribble;Free Today - Paragon Migrate OS to SSD 3.0 - Windows 7 Help Forums: <http://www.sevenforums.com/software/290054-free-today-paragon-migrate-os-ssd-3-0-a.html>; Samsung XP941 NGFF M.2 PCIe SSDs in RAID 0 - The SSD Review: <http://www.thessdreview.com/our-reviews/samsung-xp941-m-2-pcie-ssds-raid-0-worlds-smallest-ssd-combination-hits-2gbs/>; OCZ Agility 4 SATA III 2.5" SSD (EOL): (1 more message)
638015;1398264035;asciilifeform;fuck it
638016;1398264051;asciilifeform;;;google flash write cycles
638017;1398264052;gribble;Flash memory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory>; SSD endurance myths and legends - saga continues in 3D: <http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html>; How to stretch the life of your SSD storage | PCWorld: <http://www.pcworld.com/article/2043634/how-to-stretch-the-life-of-your-ssd-storage.html>
638018;1398264078;kakobrekla;nah, controllers will die before you will wear it out
638019;1398264097;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: for chinese boards, certainly
638020;1398264114;kakobrekla;it doesnt seem to be limited to chinese
638021;1398264120;ThickAsThieves;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TyyixJ2bQ4
638022;1398264121;ozbot;Awesome Video CGI for a KID - YouTube
638023;1398264179;asciilifeform;is anyone involved with the crapsat even vaguely familiar with how adult machines are built?
638024;1398264188;asciilifeform;e.g. massive redundancy, rad hardening, etc
638025;1398264207;asciilifeform;;;google tandem cpu
638026;1398264207;gribble;Tandem Computers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tandem_Computers>; TACL - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TACL>; Guardian 90: A Distributed Operating System Optimized ...: <http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/tandem/TR-90.8.pdf>
638027;1398264219;ThickAsThieves;are you questioning a core developer of bitcoin!?
638028;1398264241;asciilifeform;lol
638029;1398264331;fluffypony;I believe the charge for such heresy is a negrating on the WoT
638030;1398264335;ThickAsThieves;me in #bitcoin-dev : <ThickAsThieves> i'd like to put a nose in my nose to prevent me from having to smell things i dont like
638031;1398264345;fluffypony;lol
638032;1398264381;asciilifeform;;;google zimbabwe rock oil
638033;1398264381;gribble;Mugabe: 'Diesel mystic's beauty blinded ministers' - New Zimbabwe ...: <http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/fuel42.17176.html>; Mystic leads Zimbabwe government on fake fuel hunt: <http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/fuel38.16709.html>; Zim 'diesel conjurer' gets 3 years | News24: <http://www.news24.com/Africa/Zimbabwe/Zim-diesel-conjurer-gets-3-years-20100930>
638034;1398264616;bounce;http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2014/04/23/emergency_services_network/ -- I thought they already had a unified service. so, how hard is it to cook up a few suitable radio designs and add some backing management software?
638035;1398264708;asciilifeform;and now for today's lul,
638036;1398264709;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/04/TCP32764_backdoor_again.pdf
638037;1398264721;TomServo;haha - just finished reading that
638038;1398264750;Duffer1;new idea for s.nsa? :)
638039;1398264798;asciilifeform;Duffer1: what'd that be ?
638040;1398264821;Duffer1;secure routers
638041;1398264839;asciilifeform;Duffer1: see the point about satellites.
638042;1398264847;Duffer1;hehe
638043;1398264933;asciilifeform;bounce:  cook up a few suitable radio designs << think about this.
638044;1398264970;asciilifeform;there are two basic strategies for invincibility. biologists say 'r-strategy and m-strategy.'
638045;1398264997;asciilifeform;'m' would correspond to, e.g. satellites, deep ocean pods, etc.
638046;1398265035;asciilifeform;'r' - well, say, this - http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Radio_20Parasite#996195704
638047;1398265102;asciilifeform;either would require suitable technological building blocks
638048;1398265107;asciilifeform;which are conspicuously absent.
638049;1398265189;asciilifeform;anyone who doesn't grasp this is a pwnie, doomed to be ridden by children in the park.
638050;1398265196;bounce;didn't DARPA issue a "challenge" for cigarette-sized easily scatterable mobile APs?
638051;1398265197;asciilifeform;but that's all i'll say about this, for now
638052;1398265240;bounce;er, s/cigarette/& box/
638053;1398265249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6846 @ 0.00095397 = 6.5309 BTC [+] {2} 
638054;1398265290;asciilifeform;everyone loves physical security exotica, because 'sexy'
638055;1398265307;asciilifeform;go, polish a turd.
638056;1398265310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24054 @ 0.00095242 = 22.9095 BTC [-]
638057;1398265321;kakobrekla;you talking about dildo wallet?
638058;1398265349;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: lol, Göringwallet.
638059;1398265382;kakobrekla;thats the one
638060;1398265409;bounce;plenty turds in any given polish craphouse
638061;1398265536;*;fluffypony wades out of the CoinDesk comment section
638062;1398265541;fluffypony;it's becoming worse than reddit
638063;1398265671;benkay;toughest lesson of undergrad was working out and accepting capital requirements for orbit and deep sea industry
638064;1398265715;TomServo;!up tris
638065;1398265715;assbot;Voicing tris for 30 minutes.
638066;1398265798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00095242 = 2.2382 BTC [-]
638067;1398265812;davout;benkay: lol
638068;1398265976;benkay;davout: the story gets more amusing
638069;1398265999;cgcardona_;morning everyone
638070;1398266066;benkay;i was preparing a frontal assault on Nautilus Minerals and Reaction Engines Ltd. when I acquired a redhead who understandably has no desire to live in either rural Britain or within commuting distance of deep-sea deposits.
638071;1398266187;benkay;REL continues to not deliver (although hey, give 'em a decade or two and maybe we'll get cold fusion while we're at it) and Nautilus continues to inch forwards: http://www.nautilusminerals.com/s/Media-NewsReleases.asp?ReportID=647179
638072;1398266225;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06857999 = 0.3429 BTC [+]
638073;1398266286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30950 @ 0.00095193 = 29.4622 BTC [-] {2} 
638074;1398266301;benkay;hue hue hue: http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/F-U:CN
638075;1398266774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50929394 BTC [-]
638076;1398266896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06857999 = 0.4801 BTC [+] {2} 
638077;1398267517;thestringpuller;;;ident
638078;1398267517;gribble;Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.
638079;1398267529;thestringpuller;damn i need to auth
638080;1398267787;benkay;thestringpuller: how are you voiced if not authed?
638081;1398267872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199 = 0.16 BTC [-]
638082;1398267909;benkay;;;ident thestringpuller
638083;1398267909;gribble;Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.
638084;1398267915;benkay;!down thestringpuller
638085;1398267928;Duffer1;hater
638086;1398267930;Duffer1;:P
638087;1398267933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06859999 = 0.343 BTC [+]
638088;1398267994;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06859999 = 0.1372 BTC [+]
638089;1398268055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0324 = 0.2592 BTC [+] {4} 
638090;1398268056;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04250059 = 0.2975 BTC [+] {3} 
638091;1398268057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {3} 
638092;1398268111;Naphex;boring day todau :)
638093;1398268120;Naphex;today* even
638094;1398268212;davout;Naphex: if you're bored go troll #bitcoin-dev
638095;1398268238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0325 = 0.195 BTC [+] {3} 
638096;1398268813;Naphex;party finished over there hehe so too late ;l
638097;1398268848;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.54515920 BTC to 7`064 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
638098;1398268849;moiety;hello
638099;1398268873;Naphex;i could start working on the payments api but nuff work for the day
638100;1398268956;benkay;morning, moiety
638101;1398269026;moiety;how are you benkay? saw something that reminded me of here, so snipped it http://i.imgur.com/VgelVaK.png
638102;1398269074;benkay;nice.
638103;1398269110;benkay;i have yet to actually remember the laser-kitteh command, moiety
638104;1398269113;benkay;;;laser-kitteh
638105;1398269114;gribble;Error: "laser-kitteh" is not a valid command.
638106;1398269118;benkay;;;kitteh-lasers
638107;1398269119;gribble;Error: "kitteh-lasers" is not a valid command.
638108;1398269125;benkay;;;kitteh-laser
638109;1398269125;gribble;Error: "kitteh-laser" is not a valid command.
638110;1398269153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03275 = 0.1638 BTC [-]
638111;1398269154;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-]
638112;1398269155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
638113;1398269173;moiety;;; laserkittens
638114;1398269174;gribble;ุ �˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌� ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
638115;1398269215;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [-]
638116;1398269216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
638117;1398269220;moiety;i'd like to see gribbles logs for the past day or two... so many attempts at laser kttehs
638118;1398269252;benkay;laserkittens, you say.
638119;1398269256;benkay;well, thanks moiety.
638120;1398269287;moiety;i totally did not pm gribble looking... >.>
638121;1398269376;moiety;kakobrekla, we need lasermanuls!
638122;1398269423;moiety;twitter's had an fb facelift, it's weird
638123;1398269519;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.06310574 = 12.6211 BTC [-] {12} 
638124;1398269580;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 65 @ 0.06142724 = 3.9928 BTC [-] {18} 
638125;1398269641;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06000245 = 0.6 BTC [-] {2} 
638126;1398269937;moiety;scotland's so backwards, you can't submit any forms online
638127;1398269947;fluffypony;moiety: sounds like here
638128;1398269952;fluffypony;except for tax
638129;1398269970;moiety;so irritating, fucked without a printer
638130;1398269977;fluffypony;moiety: what OS?
638131;1398270005;moiety;OS? winblows, why?
638132;1398270007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2753 @ 0.00013383 = 0.3684 BTC [-] {9} 
638133;1398270022;fluffypony;I'm on OS X
638134;1398270026;fluffypony;and what I've taken to doing
638135;1398270037;fluffypony;is using Preview to fill in forms (use the annotation tools where necessary)
638136;1398270039;fluffypony;then
638137;1398270046;fluffypony;I bought a copy of PDFPen
638138;1398270050;fluffypony;fire that up when doc is complete
638139;1398270056;fluffypony;I have a PNG of my signature
638140;1398270062;fluffypony;copy and paste into doc, resize and position
638141;1398270066;fluffypony;save and send
638142;1398270098;benkay;os x preview will now capture and insert signatures from the laptop camera, fluffypony
638143;1398270107;moiety;thanks :) i'll try this, i'm not sure if they will accept via email though
638144;1398270120;benkay;what forms're you submitting, moiety ?
638145;1398270133;fluffypony;benkay: didn't know that - but doesn't the form need to have a dedicated PDF-compliant signature block to use that?
638146;1398270144;moiety;applying to every council i can around here
638147;1398270167;benkay;fluffypony: don't quite recall much more than writing my name on a piece of paper and dropping it into the pdf.
638148;1398270176;fluffypony;cool I'll give that a spin, tks benkay
638149;1398270198;benkay;i mean the idiotic format lets one absolutely position letters so why not sigs?
638150;1398270214;benkay;moiety: what kinds of coucils? are you going full-commie on us?
638151;1398270228;fluffypony;Eric Clapton and BB King kinda night
638152;1398270236;*;fluffypony fires up some muzaks
638153;1398270245;moiety;lol no i just need somewhere to live
638154;1398270290;benkay;ah i see
638155;1398270298;kakobrekla;ah lol davout http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=102 , i had _exactly_ (down to the number) the same argument
638156;1398270324;moiety;and everything is so retarded here unless you are pregnant and/or have a drug habit
638157;1398270338;davout;kakobrekla: as long as we don't have the same gf :D
638158;1398270343;kakobrekla;:D
638159;1398270398;benkay;moiety: sounds like you have your work cut out for you.
638160;1398270408;fluffypony;well I suppose it's better than the "how come when you messaged that you love me you only put 2 exclamation marks when I put 4?" argument
638161;1398270439;davout;fluffypony: you don't know french women
638162;1398270445;davout;XD
638163;1398270452;benkay;juh-hee-zus
638164;1398270456;fluffypony;lol
638165;1398270457;benkay;exclamation points?
638166;1398270473;benkay;"girl i'm busy you're lucky i hammered that out mispellings and all"
638167;1398270492;fluffypony;benkay: yeah, one of the reasons why I married my wife was because she wasn't full of shit like that (full of shit in other ways, but not pedantry/jealousy like that)
638168;1398270508;fluffypony;but I had that exact argument with an ex-gf in my mid-20s
638169;1398270515;moiety;i hate message things that give a 'read' report. just leads to "why did it take you 4 hours to reply?"
638170;1398270548;fluffypony;moiety: WhatsApp is the worst with that..."I see the message got delivered because there's a second tick...are we fighting now that you're not replying?"
638171;1398270566;davout;moiety: the best way to answer that is "because i didn't feel like it"
638172;1398270589;moiety;voxer gives a location point on a map, thats even worse, i used to get "why were you not at your house?"
638173;1398270593;benkay;sometimes more information is worst information
638174;1398270601;benkay;moiety: ugh.
638175;1398270603;*;fluffypony shudders at the thought
638176;1398270621;moiety;"I'm allowed to go buy food!"
638177;1398270624;fluffypony;hah hah
638178;1398270637;fluffypony;that's when they "surprise" you with a visit to your house, right?
638179;1398270666;moiety;no just sitting huffing being a retard. even though if you check the map of my city it would show a Tesco store or something
638180;1398270714;moiety;i got a "and who's this?" once .. "zoom in, its the doctors -_-"
638181;1398270732;*;fluffypony chuckles
638182;1398270795;moiety;i never used whats app, they kept info of people on their users contacts lists that didnt even have the app o.o
638183;1398270815;benkay;i'll do you one better
638184;1398270846;benkay;if i ever want to get off the iphone i have to get a new number, because my current number is cached in every iphone that's ever texted me and will go over apple's servers no matter no matter.
638185;1398270881;moiety;wtf apple
638186;1398270900;benkay;i'll probably have to keep the old number alive and set up an auto-responder saying 'this number is dead please try blah blah blah..."
638187;1398270903;fluffypony;yeah, I resigned myself to sacrificing all measure of privacy the minute I got my Nokia N95 and realised all the crap that could go on in the background
638188;1398270934;benkay;but i'm now fucked on this number
638189;1398270939;benkay;this number is now no longer portable
638190;1398270945;moiety;that snowden phone that everyone had kittens over seemed a bit futile to me
638191;1398270945;benkay;well, from provider to provider sure.
638192;1398270954;benkay;but not from ios to anything else
638193;1398270963;fluffypony;benkay: ok no wait that's not right
638194;1398270974;fluffypony;I have a friend that switched from iOS to Android in October
638195;1398270991;fluffypony;and it doesn't offer the blue iMessage option or anything any longer
638196;1398271009;fluffypony;I think if they haven't signed in to iCloud/iMessage from an iOS device it takes them off the active list or whatevs
638197;1398271013;Naphex;cmon guys
638198;1398271019;Naphex;decentralized telephony
638199;1398271030;Naphex;pay2relay
638200;1398271057;fluffypony;encrypted HAM?
638201;1398271135;Naphex;nah regular telephonyi
638202;1398271214;Naphex;have a radio mesh of transcievers
638203;1398271227;Naphex;phone looks for strongest signal
638204;1398271288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 750 @ 0.14 = 105 BTC
638205;1398271289;Naphex;hard to type from phone
638206;1398271399;Naphex;http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_mesh_network
638207;1398271399;ozbot;Wireless mesh network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
638208;1398271410;Naphex;pay to carry voip with cryptos
638209;1398271521;fluffypony;ok so
638210;1398271562;fluffypony;I'm looking for a bit of seed funding to expand and grow OpenRigs, benkay took a looksie at a previous version of my proposal and made some suggestions (which I've incorporated)
638211;1398271579;fluffypony;if anyone has a few mins I'd like a sanity check before I send it out to interested people
638212;1398271580;fluffypony;https://openrigs.com/download/proposal.pdf
638213;1398271612;fluffypony;(bearing in mind it's a fiat business, not a BTC business per se, so it's not meant to compete with a pure BTC business)
638214;1398271668;ThickAsThieves;odd that youre leading with a mining farm
638215;1398271677;ThickAsThieves;seems superfluous
638216;1398271699;ThickAsThieves;other than to confirm your rigs are practical
638217;1398271714;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: that's exactly it, it's a means to an end
638218;1398271717;benkay;fluffypony: what changes did you make?
638219;1398271755;fluffypony;benkay: pretty much everything you suggested, I kept PayBee in as I don't want to split it out into an entity on its own just yet
638220;1398271764;fluffypony;but did everything else
638221;1398271776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0653156 = 0.6532 BTC [+]
638222;1398271809;ThickAsThieves;isnt the "Bee" brand kinda taboo now?
638223;1398271836;fluffypony;lol
638224;1398271837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.065 = 0.325 BTC [-]
638225;1398271840;fluffypony;I didn't think of it that way
638226;1398271847;fluffypony;meh, branding is easy to change on that
638227;1398271920;jurov;even Gox still isn't taboo
638228;1398271932;jurov;oh, what about GoxBee ?
638229;1398271944;Naphex;lol
638230;1398271958;fluffypony;MtBee?
638231;1398271967;Naphex;goxbeeflyknc?
638232;1398271981;ThickAsThieves;"Investors can choose to be silent investors, receiving feedback on decisions only,or active investors that will play a role in the decision making process and in the ultimate success of OpenRigs."
638233;1398271984;fluffypony;not enough BFL
638234;1398272013;ThickAsThieves;"Investors can choose to be silent investors, providing feedback on decisions only,or active investors that play a role in the decision-making process and in the ultimate success of OpenRigs."
638235;1398272033;ThickAsThieves;probably could be written better from there, but yknow
638236;1398272053;fluffypony;ah good point
638237;1398272092;Naphex;who will you exchange with for paybee?
638238;1398272096;ThickAsThieves;you say "it opened its website for trading"
638239;1398272097;jurov;there should be also deaf and deaf-mute investors
638240;1398272101;ThickAsThieves;trading rigs?
638241;1398272162;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: as in "opened for business", will rephrase
638242;1398272178;fluffypony;Naphex: Cryptsy, but it's fairly agnostic to the exchange
638243;1398272187;Naphex;jesus :p
638244;1398272198;fluffypony;they were just the most willing to make the API changes we needed and they have the volume
638245;1398272209;ThickAsThieves;are you Spagni?
638246;1398272214;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: yep
638247;1398272226;Naphex;we're opening our payment services for fiat soonish.
638248;1398272260;fluffypony;Naphex: the whole point of PayBee is *not* to do fiat directly, tho - once the funds are in BTC it goes straight into the merchant's Bitpay account
638249;1398272264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13972 @ 0.00095175 = 13.2979 BTC [-]
638250;1398272272;Naphex;but we wouldnlt even think about that before doing the exchange first
638251;1398272285;Naphex;ah so paybee just accepta altcoins?
638252;1398272297;Naphex;then fowards to bitpay?
638253;1398272301;fluffypony;Naphex: yes exactly
638254;1398272328;ThickAsThieves;you mention "competitive advantages" but do you mention notable conpetitors and threats to your plan?
638255;1398272356;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: not so much on the frames side, they're too small to mention, but for PayBee yes
638256;1398272393;ThickAsThieves;so cooling containers are not mentionable?
638257;1398272409;fluffypony;cooling containers?
638258;1398272416;ThickAsThieves;liquid
638259;1398272435;*;fluffypony ponders
638260;1398272442;ThickAsThieves;in other words
638261;1398272456;ThickAsThieves;identify where your target audience might be spending their money instead
638262;1398272463;ThickAsThieves;not who else makes what you make
638263;1398272472;fluffypony;ok good point
638264;1398272475;benkay;fluffypony: i don't really buy your claims about heat flow. those are the kinds of claims that need to be backed by sims and such.
638265;1398272483;ThickAsThieves;"Ofcourse,with
638266;1398272483;ThickAsThieves;the momentarily depressed cryptocurrency economy, OpenRigs is gearing itself up for the next massive wave of
638267;1398272483;ThickAsThieves;purchasers.
638268;1398272483;ThickAsThieves;"
638269;1398272487;ThickAsThieves;that line is shit
638270;1398272508;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
638271;1398272509;ThickAsThieves;needs to be more professional and include data
638272;1398272510;ThickAsThieves;or strike it
638273;1398272517;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: point
638274;1398272518;benkay;data
638275;1398272520;benkay;mining
638276;1398272532;benkay;market predictions
638277;1398272534;benkay;i lol'd
638278;1398272558;fluffypony;benkay: we did FLIR imaging when designing, we're waiting for the FLIR camera to be available for rent again so we can have that data accessible
638279;1398272590;ThickAsThieves;you provide some individual profit data per item
638280;1398272595;benkay;that you didn't save your imaging data is a little boggling.
638281;1398272602;ThickAsThieves;but is there also historical totals?
638282;1398272619;ThickAsThieves;and projections?
638283;1398272635;ThickAsThieves;ah i see a graph
638284;1398272642;ThickAsThieves;no numbers?
638285;1398272672;fluffypony;benkay: we weren't able to, the dude that rents them is dumb and only lets you observe, not take actual data (although with the new camera he has apparently he'll give us pics and data after)
638286;1398272722;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: it's purposely light on numbers, I'm not sure whether including all the data on the downward slump inspires investor confidence
638287;1398272739;ThickAsThieves;well hiding it certainly doesnt
638288;1398272741;fluffypony;or whether I'll end up explaining why so much it'll be pages of cruft
638289;1398272754;ThickAsThieves;only cruft if you fluff
638290;1398272768;fluffypony;not hiding it, it's mentioned and detailed, and even obvious in the graph
638291;1398272775;fluffypony;just not full of numbers
638292;1398272791;ThickAsThieves;the graph doesnt show expenses
638293;1398272808;fluffypony;I can add that
638294;1398272813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21269 @ 0.00095451 = 20.3015 BTC [+]
638295;1398272825;ThickAsThieves;can you show that continually mining with units you buy for spec purposes is actually more profitable than selling them once you are done building hardware for them?
638296;1398272840;ThickAsThieves;can you show that buying them at all is necessary?
638297;1398272849;fluffypony;ASICs certainly aren't, better to flip them
638298;1398272858;fluffypony;but GPU mining yes, I have a few years of historical data
638299;1398272861;ThickAsThieves;(most units come with size specs, elec specs, etc
638300;1398272862;ThickAsThieves;)
638301;1398272901;ThickAsThieves;that elec cost sheet seems incomplete, i'm pretty sure there are even cheaper places
638302;1398272927;benkay;wouldn't gpu mining cbe require actual power bills?
638303;1398272929;ThickAsThieves;(i'm being a stickler on purpose, take it or leave it)
638304;1398272943;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: it's from here - http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/average-electricity-prices-kwh
638305;1398272961;fluffypony;benkay: yes, but when you're mining scamcoins and dumping them it's always reasonably profitable :-P
638306;1398272975;ThickAsThieves;i'd like to see separate charts and numbers on the mining farm profit/expense
638307;1398272982;*;fluffypony notes
638308;1398273006;ThickAsThieves;the idea being to truly discern whether it drags you down somehow
638309;1398273019;ThickAsThieves;in that sensem it maybe should include man hours
638310;1398273046;fluffypony;ok
638311;1398273058;ThickAsThieves;i think maybe you are conflicted
638312;1398273069;ThickAsThieves;and this isnt just about mining cuz it makes sense
638313;1398273073;ThickAsThieves;but because you desire to
638314;1398273088;ThickAsThieves;particularly evident in your discussion of BFL and preordering
638315;1398273116;ThickAsThieves;sound slike you wanna play the game and take ordering risks, etc
638316;1398273120;benkay;(i've yet to see the mining pitch that actually made sense under real world constraints)
638317;1398273130;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: I like getting stuck into the technical stuff with it, sure, but it *is* a means to an end
638318;1398273136;fluffypony;I don't want to "grow the farm"
638319;1398273151;fluffypony;I can make that clearer in the proposal
638320;1398273159;ThickAsThieves;ok, you mention letting invetsors decide on mining purchases
638321;1398273161;ThickAsThieves;fuck that
638322;1398273164;ThickAsThieves;what do they know
638323;1398273171;ThickAsThieves;thats your job
638324;1398273228;ThickAsThieves;you dont want your investors/board acting as employees
638325;1398273234;fluffypony;fair enough
638326;1398273247;fluffypony;it was more in terms of avoiding scammy pre-orders (mitigating risk) in that space
638327;1398273256;ThickAsThieves;(again these are off-the-hip opinions)
638328;1398273289;benkay;the only thing that makes sense to actually pursue is the rack building thing, and that will live and die by whether or not you can land your asic partner.
638329;1398273293;ThickAsThieves;i see you mention paying out dividends
638330;1398273301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.000956 = 5.4492 BTC [+] {2} 
638331;1398273305;ThickAsThieves;is this sposed to be like a Havelock IPO or something?
638332;1398273324;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: I changed that to "apportioning net profit" later, forgot to search for earlier occurancess
638333;1398273330;fluffypony;*occurances
638334;1398273341;benkay;everything else is just like "woahaoaowwywowao i want to do all these different bitcoin things!"
638335;1398273353;ThickAsThieves;i'm not sure there should be any talking of sharing profits in any dividend sorta way
638336;1398273370;ThickAsThieves;maybe these are details of negotiation with investors
638337;1398273371;ThickAsThieves;i dunno
638338;1398273397;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: how else do you do it then? as an LoC?
638339;1398273400;ThickAsThieves;i'm sorta with benkay here, the best thing seems to be the hardware
638340;1398273434;ThickAsThieves;well, any time any investor gets money, include you (outside of your salary), they all get their cut
638341;1398273437;ThickAsThieves;being owners n all
638342;1398273444;ThickAsThieves;including*
638343;1398273484;benkay;https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT#ui-tabs-3
638344;1398273518;ThickAsThieves;RENT still not open for trade?
638345;1398273527;ThickAsThieves;heh
638346;1398273557;benkay;looks like the rentalstarter bagholders grow weary of getting fucked raw.
638347;1398273598;ThickAsThieves;with the incoming Scrypt ASICs, does that threaten efforts like your PCI-e multiplexer?
638348;1398273627;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: scrypt-n and X11 based coins will still need miners, and the BOINC/Folding@Home crowd will need it to
638349;1398273633;ThickAsThieves;word
638350;1398273647;fluffypony;in fact, there's more experimentation with stuff like that being done by the OCLHashCat guys than in the mining community
638351;1398273656;fluffypony;because they're not bound by the confines of "what is the most profitable" bullshit
638352;1398273862;ThickAsThieves;is Zoom Junction affiliated with you or any of your employees or families?
638353;1398273864;benkay;i'm still waiting to see these cellular automota-based PoW coins.
638354;1398273876;*;benkay elbows mike_c
638355;1398273888;kakobrekla;i played that
638356;1398273893;ThickAsThieves;shhh
638357;1398273893;kakobrekla;up 20% atm
638358;1398273896;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: no, I know one of the guys that is involved with it, but no affiliation beyond that
638359;1398273902;mike_c;there is only one coin (beside bitcoin)
638360;1398273911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06776612 = 0.4066 BTC [+] {2} 
638361;1398273912;kakobrekla;o i s
638362;1398273918;kakobrekla;hould stfu?
638363;1398273925;mike_c;no, that's fine
638364;1398273958;benkay;oh look
638365;1398273961;benkay;beans all over the floor
638366;1398273962;benkay;my bad
638367;1398273967;fluffypony;mike_c: TimeKoin? :-P
638368;1398273969;ThickAsThieves;with wanting to spend $7500/mo marketing, it seems even more sensible to focus on hardware over paybee and such
638369;1398273975;ThickAsThieves;just my opinion
638370;1398273986;ThickAsThieves;do one thing right
638371;1398273999;ThickAsThieves;get dem partners etc
638372;1398274017;*;fluffypony nods
638373;1398274036;ThickAsThieves;the "funny postcard" mention is either TMI or not enough
638374;1398274076;ThickAsThieves;i'm not a fan of competitions for marketing
638375;1398274089;ThickAsThieves;but i'm not sure i'd outright forbid them
638376;1398274092;fluffypony;https://forum.feathercoin.com/index.php?/topic/6014-openrigs-review-lulz/
638377;1398274095;ThickAsThieves;just seems there are better options
638378;1398274107;fluffypony;pic of one of the postcards there
638379;1398274148;ThickAsThieves;yeah, unless it's some super large or innovatibve marketing method, i'm not sure it needs mention
638380;1398274155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11615 @ 0.00095175 = 11.0546 BTC [-]
638381;1398274157;fluffypony;ok
638382;1398274157;ThickAsThieves;it seems a little petty in the context
638383;1398274180;ThickAsThieves;same for the corporate gifting and such
638384;1398274213;ThickAsThieves;surely theyd prefer colume discounts or referral programs or whatever
638385;1398274218;ThickAsThieves;volume*
638386;1398274226;fluffypony;we have both
638387;1398274253;fluffypony;it's just been my experience that customers get excited about the most arbitrary stuff
638388;1398274256;Naphex;paybee - personally i'd just stick with btc2fiat and implement locally.
638389;1398274284;fluffypony;Naphex: then we have regulatory issues to deal with
638390;1398274293;Naphex;lawyera
638391;1398274301;fluffypony;we'd have to register as a financial services provider and a deposit taking institution
638392;1398274301;Naphex;lawyers and accountants
638393;1398274308;fluffypony;here it's a ball-ache
638394;1398274311;ThickAsThieves;i could be wrong on the marketing little things, sometimes i get a bit elitist with my views on it
638395;1398274351;ThickAsThieves;i do not mind the mineotaur effort
638396;1398274368;ThickAsThieves;including software as a solution seems appropriate
638397;1398274376;Naphex;fluffypony: is bitcoin recognised as a financial instrument? or 'electronic money' in SA?
638398;1398274377;ThickAsThieves;assuming it's in your wheelhouse
638399;1398274399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.067 = 0.201 BTC [-]
638400;1398274447;fluffypony;Naphex: nope - official stance from the SARB (reserve bank) is - "Bitcoin has no legal status or a regulatory framework."
638401;1398274458;fluffypony;so the minute we go into fiat we become a financial services provider
638402;1398274510;fluffypony;stay in crypto and we can pretty much do whatever we want
638403;1398274511;Naphex;fluffypony: yeah but youre just sending customer money
638404;1398274545;fluffypony;Naphex: local exchange has 10BTC daily volume, so we'd have to do BitStamp -> us -> international wire
638405;1398274568;ThickAsThieves;you mention $65k for software dev, and that's for a worker doing it in his spare time?
638406;1398274571;fluffypony;we could probably negotiate wire fees with our bank's Forex dept., but I still think we'd be paying a penalty
638407;1398274573;ThickAsThieves;and/or contracters
638408;1398274577;ThickAsThieves;this seems shakey
638409;1398274586;ThickAsThieves;could turn into a black hole of nothing
638410;1398274593;ThickAsThieves;contractors*
638411;1398274609;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: yes - I've got deeper numbers on that that I can include, didn't know if it would be info overload
638412;1398274614;ThickAsThieves;benkay could certainly comment on that aspect better thabn myself
638413;1398274615;Naphex;fluffypony: yes, and add a buffer at your local bank
638414;1398274634;ThickAsThieves;the PayBee logo is horrible
638415;1398274639;fluffypony;lol
638416;1398274644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5135 @ 0.00095129 = 4.8849 BTC [-]
638417;1398274663;benkay;software in spare time
638418;1398274665;benkay;always a great idea
638419;1398274667;benkay;always
638420;1398274702;ThickAsThieves;the other brands seem decent though
638421;1398274713;ThickAsThieves;Paybee looks like something fiverr shat out
638422;1398274729;fluffypony;I'll get the designer to rethink it
638423;1398274746;ThickAsThieves;or rename it
638424;1398274750;ThickAsThieves;and/or
638425;1398274781;fluffypony;yeah, so that's placeholder branding then :-P
638426;1398274788;benkay;fluffypony: what pays your rent right now?
638427;1398274805;fluffypony;benkay: I draw a salary at a group level
638428;1398274806;ThickAsThieves;if you must have Bee, then BeePay
638429;1398274815;benkay;a salary from this group of companies?
638430;1398274817;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: the Bee was only for the .ee domain hack
638431;1398274845;ThickAsThieves;it's okay domain hacks dont add success rate
638432;1398274847;fluffypony;benkay: no - the GearTribe Group, has a 5% stake in OpenRigs
638433;1398274856;fluffypony;and a bunch of other companies
638434;1398274888;ThickAsThieves;are you represented within the 5% of GearTribe's too?
638435;1398274906;ThickAsThieves;as in, are you separately part of GearTribe
638436;1398274911;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: yes
638437;1398274917;ThickAsThieves;probly should disclose such
638438;1398274929;fluffypony;I did at the beginning I think
638439;1398274932;fluffypony;I'll double check
638440;1398274945;fluffypony;"OpenRigs is member of the GearTribe group of companies, of which Riccardo Spagni is one of the group directors"
638441;1398274948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52970385 BTC [+]
638442;1398274950;fluffypony;first sentence under Company Structure
638443;1398274994;ThickAsThieves;ah, what % of GearTribe is you?
638444;1398275004;fluffypony;35%
638445;1398275017;ThickAsThieves;maybe say so
638446;1398275020;fluffypony;ok cool
638447;1398275034;ThickAsThieves;"0-confirmationdepositsfromourwalletsinordertoensurethattradesaremadeassoonaspossiblebefore
638448;1398275034;ThickAsThieves;themarketshifts."
638449;1398275045;ThickAsThieves;that's not exactly ensuring
638450;1398275057;benkay;;;ticker
638451;1398275058;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.24, Best ask: 486.92, Bid-ask spread: 1.68000, Last trade: 486.92, 24 hour volume: 6945.06957363, 24 hour low: 484.62, 24 hour high: 496.1, 24 hour vwap: 490.015634959
638452;1398275066;ThickAsThieves;why not just be transparent about what you seel and when
638453;1398275074;ThickAsThieves;be verifiable rather than make promises
638454;1398275075;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: it's not 0-conf to us, it's 0-conf between us and them
638455;1398275081;ThickAsThieves;i know
638456;1398275087;ThickAsThieves;butthere is still delay right?
638457;1398275092;ThickAsThieves;from fsrm to the exchange
638458;1398275103;ThickAsThieves;farm*
638459;1398275110;fluffypony;they do the trade the second we initiate the send
638460;1398275125;fluffypony;if the send fails we go into negative that is caught up later
638461;1398275132;fluffypony;eventual consistency :-P
638462;1398275137;ThickAsThieves;negative what?
638463;1398275145;fluffypony;in other words
638464;1398275166;fluffypony;when the trade happens our account on the exchange goes -100 ATC +0.5 BTC
638465;1398275176;fluffypony;when the deposit confirms on the exchange it goes 0 ATC
638466;1398275185;fluffypony;*back to 0
638467;1398275192;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00095733 = 35.3255 BTC [+] {2} 
638468;1398275228;ThickAsThieves;so you sell the coins before they are even deposited?
638469;1398275238;Naphex;so what happens if you get attacked with double spends
638470;1398275238;benkay;sparta
638471;1398275239;fluffypony;before they're confirmed, yes
638472;1398275244;Naphex;what trades?
638473;1398275257;ThickAsThieves;opm?
638474;1398275271;fluffypony;Naphex: how? they don't have our privkey to double-spend
638475;1398275292;Naphex;well where do you get confirmation data from?
638476;1398275303;fluffypony;the coins are already confirmed on our side
638477;1398275309;fluffypony;this is between us and the exchange
638478;1398275318;Naphex;ah
638479;1398275352;ThickAsThieves;"o CoinhasanenabledBTCmarketonCryptsywithmorethan$1000worthofbuyorders"
638480;1398275358;ThickAsThieves;why isnt ATC on cryptsy then!>
638481;1398275373;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: I would write them a strongly worded letter!
638482;1398275373;benkay;your counterparty is accepting zero-confs
638483;1398275381;benkay;this is a red flag.
638484;1398275421;ThickAsThieves;the whole Paybee thing is a deterrent
638485;1398275431;benkay;the whole thing is low-margin madness.
638486;1398275445;kakobrekla;ThickAsThieves atc has over 1k bids?
638487;1398275451;ThickAsThieves;what if some countries apply money laundering laws to inter-crypto trade?
638488;1398275459;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: https://www.cryptsy.com/coinvotes - get them to add it there and you can buy votes :-P
638489;1398275473;ThickAsThieves;nice
638490;1398275493;jurov;ThickAsThieves: how would they enforce?
638491;1398275516;ThickAsThieves;by forcing an entity in their country to enact AML
638492;1398275526;ThickAsThieves;and cooperate with providing logs or whateverthefuck
638493;1398275528;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: if a country banned inter-crypto trades that would affect the exchange primarily?
638494;1398275535;ThickAsThieves;i didnt say banned
638495;1398275544;fluffypony;oh AML
638496;1398275552;ThickAsThieves;i'm just exploring whether you are exposed to red tape
638497;1398275554;fluffypony;well
638498;1398275558;ThickAsThieves;basically
638499;1398275565;fluffypony;we aren't required (right now) to KYC to receive crypto
638500;1398275566;ThickAsThieves;if i love your mining rig idea
638501;1398275576;ThickAsThieves;i have to also love your trade idea
638502;1398275583;ThickAsThieves;this is a problem
638503;1398275585;fluffypony;the exchange can be required to KYC us as the depositer
638504;1398275596;fluffypony;ok so then I split it out
638505;1398275601;fluffypony;separate the entities
638506;1398275638;mrstickball;ThickAsThieves: what was fluffypony's rig idea?
638507;1398275642;Naphex;this is in paybee context yes?
638508;1398275646;fluffypony;Naphex: yes
638509;1398275651;Naphex;does paybee accept 0conf?
638510;1398275653;fluffypony;mrstickball: the frames etc.
638511;1398275656;mrstickball;I see
638512;1398275658;fluffypony;Naphex: not a chance
638513;1398275662;mrstickball;didn't know if there was something else to it
638514;1398275698;ThickAsThieves;lol
638515;1398275708;ThickAsThieves;you have less money allocated to building this Paybee thing
638516;1398275710;Naphex;ok. does paybee issue 'different' pub addresses for deposits/payments
638517;1398275713;ThickAsThieves;than the mining software?
638518;1398275728;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: because I've done most of the underlying work, it's just front-end crap that needs to be done
638519;1398275729;ThickAsThieves;dont you have like major security hurdles?
638520;1398275731;mircea_popescu;this latest hearn bullshit is even more laughable than gmaxwell's previous attack.
638521;1398275738;mircea_popescu;who the fuck needs protection from bitundo ?
638522;1398275745;mircea_popescu;i can not be bitundone. nobody sane can. wtf.
638523;1398275752;Naphex;dunno
638524;1398275764;Naphex;does anyone use bitundo?
638525;1398275768;mircea_popescu;"let's solve problems that don't exist through breaking the bitcoin protocol"
638526;1398275776;fluffypony;Naphex: kind-of - a payment is only possible for 15 mins, so an address can be re-used every few hours
638527;1398275782;fluffypony;doesn't have to be completely fresh
638528;1398275824;ThickAsThieves;of course no one uses bitundo
638529;1398275852;ThickAsThieves;Hearn is either a devil, or has some kind of offense to people poking at bitcoin
638530;1398275866;ThickAsThieves;like Luke-Jr barring sdice tx
638531;1398275869;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves more like, they developed bitundo
638532;1398275871;ThickAsThieves;children
638533;1398275883;mircea_popescu;nao trying to pass it off as somehow relevant.
638534;1398275884;Naphex;fluffypony: plenty of room for explotation there. which will bug out and might cause your 0conf balance to go wildly negative
638535;1398275890;Naphex;lots of edge cases
638536;1398275912;fluffypony;Naphex: if someone makes a late payment, for eg.?
638537;1398275912;mircea_popescu;cazalla you there ?
638538;1398275948;ThickAsThieves;so fluffypony
638539;1398275949;Naphex;fluffypony: a lot of the cases are around how you aquire and track tx data
638540;1398275951;ThickAsThieves;overall,
638541;1398275967;ThickAsThieves;what i see is a nice little hardware business, with ideas about what it could branch to
638542;1398275971;Naphex;that might easily cause problems with a bad implo
638543;1398275974;ThickAsThieves;getting bogged down by a load of shit
638544;1398275985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
638545;1398275998;ThickAsThieves;you ask for $350k when $100k would take you a long way if you focused
638546;1398276005;fluffypony;Naphex: we watch the address for the amount requested; if it appears we know it's paid, if it doesn't (wrong amount, too late) we can't "contact the client" to let them know - they have to contact us and say "ohai, I screwed up"
638547;1398276052;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: appreciate the input, I'll work a bit more on splitting it out
638548;1398276052;Naphex;fluffypony: what happens if i senf a tx to multiple addresses you track
638549;1398276055;Naphex;send*
638550;1398276069;Naphex;and send 0.1 to each
638551;1398276083;fluffypony;Naphex: doesn't matter, we're expecting 0.5 to address X, not to the "wallet" as a whole
638552;1398276084;ThickAsThieves;note i'm not saying split it out
638553;1398276100;ThickAsThieves;i'm saying the extra shit should be tabled til the other parts are fully grown
638554;1398276120;*;fluffypony ponders
638555;1398276189;Naphex;fluffypony: yeah but in my case you are receiving 4 payments in the same tx
638556;1398276222;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: so then would it be better to 1. keep everything in but stagger the funding (eg. 100k now, another 100k when X milestones reached, etc.), or 2. take stuff out and then seek further funding later
638557;1398276225;Naphex;to 4 different addresses that you track awaiting payment
638558;1398276229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00095846 = 16.4855 BTC [+] {2} 
638559;1398276237;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo: Let's narrow it. Yugo, Romanian or Russian? Which SKS handles "mice" best  << i doubt yo ucould shoot mice indoors.
638560;1398276238;fluffypony;Naphex: sure, but we aren't watching transactions
638561;1398276265;BingoBoingo;Eh
638562;1398276280;fluffypony;Naphex: have you worked with listreceivedbyaddress at all?
638563;1398276287;ThickAsThieves;well, in my opinion, i think the hardware business is the most sensible aspect, and then the mineotour stuff a nice thing to branch into
638564;1398276295;ThickAsThieves;so maybe 2 phases
638565;1398276314;ThickAsThieves;and 1 paybee gets tabled to be revisited in a year or whatever
638566;1398276358;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: ok cool, I'll start reworking
638567;1398276363;fluffypony;thanks for all the input everyone
638568;1398276418;fluffypony;Naphex: getting back to what you were saying - listreceivedbyaddress <minconf=1> <includeempty=false>
638569;1398276430;fluffypony;so we poll that
638570;1398276439;Naphex;ah
638571;1398276449;fluffypony;and once an amount is available in an address for the minimum number of confs it's in the json
638572;1398276473;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-]
638573;1398276506;fluffypony;(listreceivedbyaddress shows a "running total", of sorts, so you have to know what the previous value was to spot that it's changed, but that's trivial"
638574;1398276551;Naphex;fluffypony: i know, a lot of implos i reviewex had very bugged tracking
638575;1398276563;Naphex;thats why i was asking
638576;1398276578;fluffypony;Naphex: yeah I know, I struggled with the dynamics for a while before settling on "just poll the daemon"
638577;1398276594;fluffypony;early attempts were "just watch the blockchain", but altcoins implementations are so ridiculous
638578;1398276655;Naphex;mircea_popescu: wth, you have mice indoors?
638579;1398276673;mircea_popescu;http://bit.ly/1lFMuuB << check out that shit. 3 > 2 > 1 > 7 > 8 > 9
638580;1398276691;mircea_popescu;Naphex presumably he's not about to run amok on a field shooting mice
638581;1398276728;BingoBoingo;Turns out it actually was a mouse and I had managed to dispatch it by stepping on it
638582;1398276741;Naphex;:))
638583;1398276871;ThickAsThieves;"Supreme Court says child porn victims can claim payment from anyone who has their images"
638584;1398276900;ThickAsThieves;incentive?
638585;1398276914;Naphex;cp royalties?
638586;1398276920;Naphex;wtfux
638587;1398276959;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459032829788430337
638588;1398276960;mircea_popescu;danke :)
638589;1398276982;mircea_popescu;Naphex joint and several liability.
638590;1398276993;ThickAsThieves;:)
638591;1398277032;ThickAsThieves;The ".farm" TLD is now available.
638592;1398277053;mircea_popescu;im curious if they'll STILL pretend like "nobody is pointing and laughing at the naked emperor".
638593;1398277073;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yeah, i did know.
638594;1398277133;mircea_popescu;!up zedong
638595;1398277133;assbot;Voicing zedong for 30 minutes.
638596;1398277146;BingoBoingo;benkay: So yeah, hangovers still a thing
638597;1398277151;mircea_popescu;speaking of cube sats : romania's first and so far only sat, a 10cm cube, was launched last year
638598;1398277156;mircea_popescu;it failed within a week.
638599;1398277170;ThickAsThieves;how come all the newer ones fail sooner?
638600;1398277182;benkay;3d printers :D
638601;1398277211;mircea_popescu;how come coca cola sucks now. etc
638602;1398277237;ThickAsThieves;even space cant escapt the walmart effect
638603;1398277260;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: davout: they're probably thinking they can just send a Raspberry Pi and an SSD up and it'll work <<< they shouldn't have to spring for a ssd.
638604;1398277265;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: must we type quietly?
638605;1398277265;mircea_popescu;can't they just store it all in the cloud ?
638606;1398277269;ThickAsThieves;they can't hear you save-a-lot in space
638607;1398277277;mircea_popescu;amazon should pay for it, because this is so innovative and forward thinking anyway
638608;1398277281;benkay;well there's spacex, doing reusable launch vehicles
638609;1398277293;mircea_popescu;they'd recoup it all in no time because they'll get reddit gold and forum love.
638610;1398277322;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: maybe Amazon can just arrange for the CubeSat to be delivered into space by quadcopter
638611;1398277327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06544472 = 0.6544 BTC [-]
638612;1398277331;Naphex;what else is there to live for?
638613;1398277345;mircea_popescu;fluffypony i like asciilifeform
638614;1398277348;mircea_popescu;s sonar idea.
638615;1398277350;mircea_popescu;should be on a sat.
638616;1398277384;mircea_popescu;Dogecoin Low Orbiting Quadcopter-Launched, Sonar Linked Cloud Sattelite Without Carbon Footprint.
638617;1398277390;mircea_popescu;DLOQLSLCSWCF
638618;1398277395;fluffypony;lol
638619;1398277413;TestingUnoDosTre;no carbon footprint!!!
638620;1398277414;fluffypony;let's write a whitepaper and raise funds
638621;1398277417;mircea_popescu;it's for porn.
638622;1398277421;fluffypony;we'll call it "Proof of Launch"
638623;1398277430;mircea_popescu;more like "proof of drool"
638624;1398277445;fluffypony;basically everyone sends funds to a Bitcoin address, and then we convert that to SateliteCoinz that we give them
638625;1398277452;fluffypony;and then we spend all the money and don't do anything
638626;1398277464;mircea_popescu;btw davout that blondie said she's got tickets to whatever concert tonight.
638627;1398277500;fluffypony;https://blockchain.info/address/1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E <- MaidScam raised 6240 BTC so far
638628;1398277503;ozbot;Bitcoin Address 1KHfLixa2idRnZXMUfEisBati1vpywaH6E
638629;1398277515;fluffypony;I swear, all you need is a whitepaper and a few media interviews
638630;1398277559;mircea_popescu;fluffypony let me let you in on a secret
638631;1398277571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.0009596 = 9.9798 BTC [+] {2} 
638632;1398277582;TestingUnoDosTre;#bitcoin-assets secrets
638633;1398277593;ThickAsThieves;there's no way in hell that much coin was spent on MaidSafe
638634;1398277595;mircea_popescu;!up joecool
638635;1398277595;assbot;Voicing joecool for 30 minutes.
638636;1398277599;joecool;thanks
638637;1398277600;mircea_popescu;;;seen gribble
638638;1398277618;ThickAsThieves;it's smoke and mirrors
638639;1398277619;mircea_popescu;hm. if gribble is not here to have not seen gribble, is gribble really gone ?
638640;1398277644;mircea_popescu;well if the secret is not really obivous : neobee claimed to have raised 5k btc. but they lied.
638641;1398277647;joecool;gribble will live on in our memory
638642;1398277656;mircea_popescu;the reason they lied is that the fuckwits on the forum like to invest if they perceive others have.
638643;1398277658;joecool;(and logs)
638644;1398277671;mircea_popescu;not that the fiat venture circuit is any different. we had a lol over this @con
638645;1398277678;mircea_popescu;!up the20year
638646;1398277678;assbot;Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
638647;1398277682;ThickAsThieves;at my expense :)
638648;1398277686;mircea_popescu;the20year well if no gribble it's problematic.
638649;1398277686;joecool;so romania's space program is neck and neck with DPRK's?
638650;1398277694;the20year;Is there a way to ID with gribble if he isn't here?
638651;1398277699;the20year;Romania doesn't have MRBMs
638652;1398277700;ThickAsThieves;coincidentally i just emailed the software guys
638653;1398277705;mircea_popescu;joecool hardly.
638654;1398277709;the20year;Which is only slightly worse than DPRK
638655;1398277709;ThickAsThieves;told em to get into the channel
638656;1398277713;ThickAsThieves;so we'll see
638657;1398277802;the20year;We located a potential property #7
638658;1398277805;Naphex;mircea_popescu: hitbtc says they got 7m usd, in investments
638659;1398277900;ThickAsThieves;how is the 3PO going the20tear?
638660;1398278043;benkay;ThickAsThieves: software aguys?
638661;1398278068;the20year;Decent, started great, has slowed down. Could be due to market, could be due to dropping out on the CREI stuff
638662;1398278110;ThickAsThieves;benkay, the software team that was making all the Neo stuff, got stranded, etc
638663;1398278115;ThickAsThieves;they have a plan to stay afloat
638664;1398278121;ThickAsThieves;i told em to come here for trial by fire
638665;1398278181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06776309 = 0.2033 BTC [+]
638666;1398278221;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: are they locals or did some relocate there?
638667;1398278271;Naphex;neo drama killed lots of its momentum imo
638668;1398278295;Naphex;if not all
638669;1398278460;benkay;17,790 sold first week of 3PO; 1,465 second week, 1,785 third week. any estimates on how long it's going to take to clear the rest of your sale, the20year?
638670;1398278508;ThickAsThieves;they are based in cyprus
638671;1398278518;ThickAsThieves;two guys plus a whole team they hired
638672;1398278531;fluffypony;sucks
638673;1398278537;ThickAsThieves;they got about 80% done with varioud Neo projects and were never fully paid
638674;1398278540;fluffypony;find someone to relocate them to South Africa
638675;1398278542;ThickAsThieves;but will scrap all that stuff
638676;1398278548;fluffypony;I'll sort them out
638677;1398278553;ThickAsThieves;they have new ideas
638678;1398278560;benkay;ideas, you say...
638679;1398278563;ThickAsThieves;the sort i am not familiar with
638680;1398278575;benkay;STRANGE IDEAS, YOU SAY!
638681;1398278582;benkay;perhaps wifi in the cardano.
638682;1398278590;ThickAsThieves;and generally i met these guys and like them as people, so would hope that any bad ideas can be squashed earlier than later
638683;1398278605;ThickAsThieves;and maybe the crew here can help them see any weaknesses
638684;1398278606;Naphex;everybody throw a btc idea out there, as fast as possible :p
638685;1398278608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0679895 = 0.6119 BTC [+] {2} 
638686;1398278627;benkay;sharpie in pooper
638687;1398278645;ThickAsThieves;nah i think their focus is in providing specialized bitcoin software solutions
638688;1398278662;ThickAsThieves;thin clients and other mumbo jumbo i no nothing about
638689;1398278666;ThickAsThieves;know*
638690;1398278677;benkay;well get 'em in there
638691;1398278679;benkay;here
638692;1398278682;benkay;wherever
638693;1398278712;fluffypony;benkay: sharpie in pooper = warm storage?
638694;1398278732;ThickAsThieves;hopefully this week benkay
638695;1398278741;ThickAsThieves;assuming they dont chicken out
638696;1398278743;the20year;Benkay, at this rate 3-4 more weeks, but the funding ends on the 7th whether they sell or not
638697;1398279132;mike_c;ThickAsThieves: i believe it was you who was talking about timestamps on blocks.  See here how it is unreliable in practice:  http://i.imgur.com/i6Xa7Qd.png
638698;1398279199;mike_c;some altcoin miner has a bad system clock.
638699;1398279201;ThickAsThieves;it was me, i forget the topic
638700;1398279218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.00013124 = 0.4593 BTC [-] {3} 
638701;1398279219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0683931 = 0.4104 BTC [+]
638702;1398279246;mircea_popescu;<ThickAsThieves> they got about 80% done with varioud Neo projects and were never fully paid <<< unless some greenhorn makes the mistake of "buying it", in which case the 80% turns into... nothing at all.
638703;1398279285;ThickAsThieves;their lawyers say to scrap it regardless
638704;1398279296;the20year;who's lawyers?
638705;1398279305;davout;mircea_popescu: "btw davout that blondie said she's got tickets to whatever concert tonight." <<< wat
638706;1398279307;ThickAsThieves;programming consultants for Neo
638707;1398279312;mircea_popescu;<ThickAsThieves> and generally i met these guys and like them as people, so would hope that any bad ideas can be squashed earlier than later << except that's not what they want. they want their stupidity to be empowered by incompetent management, exactly like brewster. which is why they worked for him rather than for me. the only thing they'd do differently, the ONLY thing, would be for it to "work" this time. by itsel
638708;1398279312;mircea_popescu;f. they're great, as they are.
638709;1398279336;mircea_popescu;davout Oleanie joined, so whadda ya expect.
638710;1398279349;ThickAsThieves;lol
638711;1398279379;davout;oh, the other blondie
638712;1398279416;mircea_popescu;the other blondie has a peen
638713;1398279431;mircea_popescu;dude this fucking log. am i ever going through it!
638714;1398279492;davout;mircea_popescu: my fucking log is pretty packed too, gotta buy a new one
638715;1398279502;mircea_popescu;lol
638716;1398279507;ThickAsThieves;in debating whether to go to Amsterdam next month, my wife "you can't just go to Europe every month!" me: "why not? i can do whatever i want"
638717;1398279528;ThickAsThieves;she didnt know what to say
638718;1398279546;mircea_popescu;http://moneygunsweed.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/killian-skarr-sex-machine03-500x666.jpg << the fcking log.
638719;1398279560;ThickAsThieves;yikes
638720;1398279570;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjCHD41I7ok
638721;1398279578;davout;ew
638722;1398279593;ThickAsThieves;lol
638723;1398279602;fluffypony;da fuq
638724;1398279607;fluffypony;do not want
638725;1398279614;mircea_popescu;!up BigBitz
638726;1398279614;assbot;Voicing BigBitz for 30 minutes.
638727;1398279619;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot BigBitz
638728;1398279620;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask BigBitz!~BigBitz@dab.stonabox.me. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BigBitz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BigBitz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz | Rated since: Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013
638729;1398279627;BigBitz;thx.
638730;1398279629;mircea_popescu;BigBitz you id with gribble then pm assbot !up
638731;1398279636;BigBitz;;;ident
638732;1398279637;gribble;Nick 'BigBitz', with hostmask 'BigBitz!~BigBitz@dab.stonabox.me', is identified as user 'BigBitz', with GPG key id AB6B34E4289B7F96, key fingerprint E6D96C3A035A057AD9DD8A9DAB6B34E4289B7F96, and bitcoin address 1BigBitzyouKT2eVYvHbRUNMkCp9bvAvSu
638733;1398279644;BigBitz;Ah !up - didn't know the command. :)
638734;1398279667;BigBitz;ThickAsThieves go to Amsterdam. It's nice :)
638735;1398279675;mircea_popescu;HeySteve: "for the amount saved in mass, you may like to add extra avionics to BitSat." << satellite avionics ?
638736;1398279703;ThickAsThieves;BigBitz, I've been, twice
638737;1398279712;BigBitz;ThickAsThieves third time will be a charm then.
638738;1398279724;ThickAsThieves;just $1800 to fly and attend the conference
638739;1398279739;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: so then come to glorious South Africa!
638740;1398279743;BigBitz;Meh isn't the AMS conference a flop?
638741;1398279745;asciilifeform;which one of you weirdos was hunting mice with a mosin.
638742;1398279747;asciilifeform;or did i dream this
638743;1398279750;mircea_popescu;fluffypony:
638744;1398279750;mircea_popescu;"An SSD is non-magnetic storage, there is not really any protection needed. Put a metal case around it and im pretty sure it can drop from the atmosphere into the ground at free fall speed and still operate once free'd from the metal casing" <<< pretty sure is magic!
638745;1398279752;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1793270/plain/)
638746;1398279752;mircea_popescu;!b 1
638747;1398279752;BigBitz;I want to go to South Africa, actually, fluffypony.
638748;1398279752;*;fluffypony has wine
638749;1398279776;fluffypony;BigBitz: let me know if you want to come, you can take a turn past us and we can see how many bottles of wine we can get through
638750;1398279793;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yeah that quote broke my brain
638751;1398279804;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: you should see where the comment thread went to from there, that guy was an idiot
638752;1398279805;BigBitz;fluffypony, awesome. I want go to Safari.
638753;1398279818;mircea_popescu;fluffypony there's a reason i don't read these things.
638754;1398279833;ThickAsThieves;i do have all these euros i converted at the airport that were of no use in ROmania
638755;1398279846;fluffypony;BigBitz: so many awesome safari places near us and up near Kruger park, so for definite let me know :)
638756;1398279856;BigBitz;Awesome. If I am there I will hit you up. :)
638757;1398279880;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that zimbabwe oil thing and the peron cold fusion thing should make babies.
638758;1398279887;asciilifeform;loltron!
638759;1398279898;TomServo;asciilifeform: I believe BingoBoingo was inquiring about the rifles.
638760;1398279900;ThickAsThieves;<+fluffypony> ThickAsThieves: so then come to glorious South Africa!  // my wife would be into that
638761;1398279904;asciilifeform;the baby will incubate in the '90s 'elbrus' supercomputer
638762;1398279907;ThickAsThieves;she wants to save the animals
638763;1398279912;ThickAsThieves;and pet them
638764;1398279913;ThickAsThieves;etc
638765;1398279926;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves so you shoot them, she hurries them to the animal er.
638766;1398279931;ThickAsThieves;lol
638767;1398279937;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: we're literally 20kms from Jukani - http://www.jukani.co.za
638768;1398279938;mircea_popescu;i'm the only one here that's actually shot things btw ?
638769;1398279945;benkay;negatron.
638770;1398279948;ThickAsThieves;how dare you, knowing of my scarred upbringing!
638771;1398279955;ThickAsThieves;i shot things
638772;1398279958;mircea_popescu;that's good then.
638773;1398279961;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I have, then I married a vegetarian, now I have to do it on the sly
638774;1398279962;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i mean things with a pulse.
638775;1398279967;ThickAsThieves;ive skinned things alive
638776;1398279973;benkay;i've also done the dirty work of laying birds in the field.
638777;1398279974;ThickAsThieves;:/
638778;1398279977;mircea_popescu;fluffypony maybe you should marry ThickAsThieves and your blondie his.
638779;1398279982;fluffypony;hah hah
638780;1398280026;fluffypony;#bitcoin-assets...making swinging...interesting since April, 2012
638781;1398280035;ThickAsThieves;i dont think any live thing i shot at ever connected
638782;1398280040;ThickAsThieves;my dad had to take over
638783;1398280053;ThickAsThieves;he still does bow hunting
638784;1398280077;ThickAsThieves;he actually was a gundealer for a while
638785;1398280080;mod6;i shoot phesants every fall.
638786;1398280085;mod6;tasty too!
638787;1398280098;ThickAsThieves;ive killed many sea creatures though
638788;1398280101;ThickAsThieves;various methods
638789;1398280103;fluffypony;mod6: I read that as "I shoot peasants" and I was like "ooooh, he must live in Australia"
638790;1398280110;ThickAsThieves;lol
638791;1398280139;mod6;haha
638792;1398280144;mircea_popescu;Naphex here's a joke for you :
638793;1398280170;mircea_popescu;two gypsies doing crossword puzzle. "haoleo metal prehtios din patru litere minca
638794;1398280174;mircea_popescu;-ti-as"
638795;1398280185;mircea_popescu;*din trei litere
638796;1398280201;mircea_popescu;"haur!" "hala-i din patru mo!"
638797;1398280202;mircea_popescu;"fer"
638798;1398280262;Naphex;:))
638799;1398280382;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla:
638800;1398280382;mircea_popescu;ah lol davout http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=102 , i had _exactly_ (down to the number) the same argument << maybe you two should exchange wives for a summer ?
638801;1398280438;TomServo;and see who comes back with a better rating?
638802;1398280455;mircea_popescu;lol good one.
638803;1398280467;davout;TomServo: lol
638804;1398280476;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: well I suppose it's better than the "how come when you messaged that you love me you only put 2 exclamation marks when I put 4?" argument <<< you know, there's a relation between the welt count per butt and domestic bliss.
638805;1398280513;mircea_popescu;(if you're any good you can make them look like exclamation points, too)
638806;1398280522;kakobrekla;not looking so much for exchanging as to adding.
638807;1398280523;fluffypony;hah hah
638808;1398280562;mircea_popescu;(also notice that my comment was gender-neutral)
638809;1398280611;fluffypony;some prefer to bend, some prefer to send, I don't judge
638810;1398280629;mircea_popescu;moiety: voxer gives a location point on a map, thats even worse, i used to get "why were you not at your house?" << oi. ok that takes the fucking cake.
638811;1398280644;mircea_popescu;"because i felt like swallowing and i was fresh out of frozen splooge."
638812;1398280646;kakobrekla;http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/248
638813;1398280646;ozbot;Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2014/248
638814;1398280683;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: not only that
638815;1398280694;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: xen, for instance, emulates a NIC with... promiscuous mode
638816;1398280698;asciilifeform;why? ask it, not me
638817;1398280703;fluffypony;asciilifeform: ouch
638818;1398280857;asciilifeform;in general, 'don't install toilet in kitchen'
638819;1398280878;davout;mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPBy7XXmylo#t=170
638820;1398280884;chetty;asciilifeform, that sounds like a murican label
638821;1398280903;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i once rescued a damsel from a situation where her living space consisted of... kitchen. you could shower over the "toilet", and there was a small stove nearby.
638822;1398280922;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ussr?
638823;1398280928;mircea_popescu;worse.
638824;1398280949;mircea_popescu;davout passed it along
638825;1398280951;asciilifeform;пааааарти� ленинааааа!
638826;1398280961;kakobrekla;doesnt count, too easy, no effort.
638827;1398280983;davout;what do you mean?
638828;1398280998;mircea_popescu;davout i'm not the one that lost me A FORTUNE in bitcoinz
638829;1398281007;davout;aah i see
638830;1398281029;mircea_popescu;"MILK FUTURES RISE TO RECORD $24.29 PER 100 LBS IN CHICAGO. Who needs food anyway" << clearly, BingoBoingo isn't telling us everything.
638831;1398281040;mircea_popescu;sitting here scamming us about how he drinks hooch etc.
638832;1398281080;asciilifeform;milk from what species.
638833;1398281088;mircea_popescu;http://pando.com/2014/04/23/the-revolving-door-between-google-and-the-department-of-defense/
638834;1398281089;ozbot;The revolving door between Google and the Department of Defense | PandoDaily
638835;1398281115;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform bos taurus ?
638836;1398281123;asciilifeform;that has to be cheaper
638837;1398281140;moiety;mircea_popescu: that was the tip of the iceberg with that dude, total idiot. also, shower/kitchen is better than no living space at all!
638838;1398281157;chetty;http://news.sky.com/story/1247985/raf-jet-chases-russian-planes-away-from-uk
638839;1398281158;ozbot;RAF Jet Chases Russian Planes Away From UK
638840;1398281165;mircea_popescu;moiety well, independence, you know ?
638841;1398281183;mircea_popescu;davout "technique and shit. i should've fucking figured that the french are going to pwn anything involving diddlage" ~mpoe-pr
638842;1398281223;mircea_popescu;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/quentin-tarantinos-lawsuit-against-gawker-thrown-out-of-court/ << lels.
638843;1398281262;davout;in which dictionary am i fucking supposed to look up "diddlage"
638844;1398281268;moiety;urban
638845;1398281275;asciilifeform;davout: dildonics
638846;1398281283;davout;;;ud diddlage
638847;1398281284;gribble;Google found nothing.
638848;1398281295;asciilifeform;;;ud dildonics
638849;1398281295;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dildonics | Probably a lot of lesbians have degrees in dildonics. Sometimes a fag named TJ sneaks in a warehouse and frolics around in a pile of dirty dildos. What a dildo.
638850;1398281296;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: dildonics
638851;1398281302;davout;bwah
638852;1398281314;moiety;!up Mats_cd03
638853;1398281314;assbot;Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
638854;1398281326;Mats_cd03;:D
638855;1398281356;Mats_cd03;moiety, you know, youre my favorite
638856;1398281386;fluffypony;;;ud dildotics
638857;1398281387;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dildotics | Jan 13, 2008 ... dill-dod-iks; noun or adj. The science or study of dildos and the origin of their creation. Trademarked by Dildotics Incorporated, circa 2002. Adv..
638858;1398281387;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: dildotics
638859;1398281442;mircea_popescu;davout prolly the act of diddling.
638860;1398281449;mircea_popescu;;;google to diddle
638861;1398281450;gribble;Urban Dictionary: diddle: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=diddle>; diddle - definition of diddle by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/diddle>; Diddle - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diddle>
638862;1398281475;moiety;am i the only one that ups you or something Mats_cd03
638863;1398281508;davout;moiety: that sounds a little dirty
638864;1398281511;Mats_cd03;hey, this is only the second time
638865;1398281522;fluffypony;Mats_cd03: they say you never forget your first time
638866;1398281534;moiety;davout: dude, i never think about that shit before i hit enter. i do it all the damn time, sorry
638867;1398281536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32383 @ 0.00095377 = 30.8859 BTC [-]
638868;1398281559;Mats_cd03;usually i pester benkay, but hes probably wasted and tryna molest a deer in the woods
638869;1398281586;moiety;benkay broke me in before kakobrekla showed me how to do it myself ;P
638870;1398281591;moiety;i do know how that sounded though lol
638871;1398281655;benkay;wat
638872;1398281661;benkay;oh a Mats_cd03
638873;1398281676;Naphex;balauru inseamna pacatul, preotii recomanda rugaciunile pentru a proteja animalele din ogara
638874;1398281684;Naphex;just heard on tv.
638875;1398281699;Naphex;only in romania
638876;1398281702;asciilifeform;!
638877;1398281722;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: https://openrigs.com/download/proposal.pdf << ditch the pdf srsly.
638878;1398281723;fluffypony;Naphex: translate plx, Google translate results are confusing
638879;1398281734;Mats_cd03;i can translate that
638880;1398281745;Mats_cd03;it has 'animal' in it, so he must be talking about animals
638881;1398281748;mircea_popescu;"dragon means sin, teh priests recomend prayer to protect domestic animals"
638882;1398281751;Naphex;fluffypony: its the same in romania
638883;1398281755;fluffypony;lol
638884;1398281764;Naphex;was on the news
638885;1398281769;benkay;har if only i'd had the pleasure of breaking you in, moiety
638886;1398281773;fluffypony;makes more sense than Google translate: "Balauru means sin, priests prayers recommend to protect animals from Greyhound"
638887;1398281778;asciilifeform;i must still be in me dream. perhaps i should go back & finish sinking the nazi sub.
638888;1398281782;mircea_popescu;lol greyhound
638889;1398281787;Naphex;hehe
638890;1398281809;kakobrekla;re openrigs . the whole things is a fad just like diy water cooling was a fad 10 or 15 years ago
638891;1398281813;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves: isnt the "Bee" brand kinda taboo now? << very.
638892;1398281836;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you gotta put the boards somewhere no ?
638893;1398281843;*;mircea_popescu is not a hardware guy.
638894;1398281850;asciilifeform;can't help but think of cleopatra's alleged diddlomat. glass, filled with bees.
638895;1398281868;Mats_cd03;wat
638896;1398281875;fluffypony;kakobrekla: that's fine, I'm not aiming to create a massive company that will be around forever, quite happy riding a wave, making money, and letting it wind down as we transition to the next thing
638897;1398281887;benkay;hey mircea_popescu and asciilifeform now that you've demo'd the cardano for the elite when do you start taking our btc for them?
638898;1398281889;fluffypony;as long as that wave is 5+ years and not 6 months
638899;1398281891;Mats_cd03;ive heard of gerbils, but this bees thing is new to me
638900;1398281901;fluffypony;Mats_cd03: Neo & Bee
638901;1398281913;mircea_popescu;benkay that's a good question.
638902;1398281919;Mats_cd03;^re: cleopatra
638903;1398281946;moiety;will iget kicked for life if i say i thought the cardanos were cute?
638904;1398281960;asciilifeform;why does everybody love pre-orders so much ? so they can bitch when conveyor delay?
638905;1398281975;benkay;i said nothing about pre-orders, asciilifeform.
638906;1398281975;kakobrekla;actually its even worse, the goal of water cooling was to spend money and look good, the goal of rigs is to make money looking like an idiot
638907;1398281981;asciilifeform;;;google cleopatra bee vibrator
638908;1398281982;gribble;The Bizarre History of the Vibrator: From Cleopatra's Angry Bees to ...: <http://gizmodo.com/5909857/the-bizarre-history-of-the-vibrator-from-cleopatras-angry-bees-to-steam-powered-dildos>; Cleopatra's sex toy made of bees - snopes.com: <http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=82547>; The Long, Strange History of Sex Toys | Alternet: <http://www.alternet.org/sex-amp- (1 more message)
638909;1398281988;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
638910;1398281998;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.18, Best ask: 487.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.82000, Last trade: 487.0, 24 hour volume: 6238.13274079, 24 hour low: 484.61, 24 hour high: 495.2, 24 hour vwap: 0
638911;1398282005;mircea_popescu;vwap 0 srsly ?
638912;1398282011;benkay;hahahahaha
638913;1398282014;mircea_popescu;;;calc 314.59764223 * 485
638914;1398282015;gribble;152579.856482
638915;1398282050;mircea_popescu;meanwhile brk-a is 190k
638916;1398282064;fluffypony;kakobrekla: well, it's also a cheaper proposition - our market isn't only people-with-$$$, the BOINC/Folding@Home crowd need better cooling than 20cm fans in an ATX case but they can't afford / don't want to spend money on water cooling or mineral oil immersion
638917;1398282083;asciilifeform;wanna show off, cool in Fluorinert.
638918;1398282089;fluffypony;but sure, in 5-10 years when GPUs are all mini-PCI-e size, it's different
638919;1398282096;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: it's purposely light on numbers <<< that's stupid.
638920;1398282187;mircea_popescu;benkay: the only thing that makes sense to actually pursue is the rack building thing, and that will live and die by whether or not you can land your asic partner. everything else is just like "woahaoaowwywowao i want to do all these different bitcoin things!" << undersigned.
638921;1398282197;Mats_cd03;https://soundcloud.com/mgmrecords/the-aston-shuffle-tear-it-down-gamper-dadoni-remix
638922;1398282223;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: actually, the only time i ever built a water-cooled machine, it was to get rid of the damnable fan hiss
638923;1398282225;Mats_cd03;'lady music' if benkay is a judge
638924;1398282246;benkay;yup starts with a piano designed for tingles
638925;1398282253;Mats_cd03;im still butthurt you said that
638926;1398282259;Mats_cd03;there we go again
638927;1398282262;kakobrekla;asciilifeform i have build many but now i have a fan solution that is quieter than any pump.
638928;1398282266;benkay;ew wtf is this plinky plonk guitar
638929;1398282286;benkay;Mats_cd03: i have joins/parts turned off
638930;1398282291;benkay;so just msg me when you want up
638931;1398282311;benkay;although you gotta cut it out with this gay house/trance/whatever shit
638932;1398282321;*;benkay bobs head sarcastically
638933;1398282324;benkay;oh yeah baby
638934;1398282347;*;Mats_cd03 searches for something palatable
638935;1398282351;bounce;soundcloud keeps on finding ways to suck more
638936;1398282380;Mats_cd03;dat sax, though.
638937;1398282390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22350 @ 0.00095588 = 21.3639 BTC [+]
638938;1398282409;benkay;one of my normal haunts recently tried to play pandora plus in two separate locations in their joint
638939;1398282421;benkay;subjected everyone within earshot to endless "your pandora plus account is being used elsewhere"
638940;1398282431;kakobrekla;!l glbse yah
638941;1398282431;assbot;I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
638942;1398282440;benkay;basically guaranteed that nobody in that cafe will ever give pandora another damn dime.
638943;1398282466;kakobrekla;wasnt there a 'yah' thing ?
638944;1398282507;asciilifeform;for everyone's laughter:
638945;1398282508;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/uE4oR6X
638946;1398282508;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
638947;1398282513;kakobrekla;asciilifeform but back in the day people were doing it mostly to show off and oc.
638948;1398282514;asciilifeform;circa 2000.
638949;1398282521;asciilifeform;brought this to dormitory on a wheelbarrow
638950;1398282531;Mats_cd03;such cool
638951;1398282534;benkay;epic, asciilifeform
638952;1398282539;asciilifeform;such fool!
638953;1398282540;asciilifeform;was i
638954;1398282540;kakobrekla;cpu only?
638955;1398282544;asciilifeform;nope
638956;1398282546;asciilifeform;everything
638957;1398282559;fluffypony;that's awesome
638958;1398282560;asciilifeform;still had a small case fan in there, for the rectifiers, etc
638959;1398282576;asciilifeform;many stories, this thing spawned
638960;1398282590;bounce;that's a clear case of not fscking around with the cooling
638961;1398282601;asciilifeform;toyota corolla.
638962;1398282610;bounce;what's in there though, a pI? how much heat does it produce?
638963;1398282616;kakobrekla;anyway, with todays tech you can get silence with air. i dont hear my box even if its on full load.
638964;1398282622;asciilifeform;this was a dual 'athlon'
638965;1398282631;asciilifeform;sent to scrapyard long ago.
638966;1398282639;fluffypony;I remember trying to watercool a peltier cooler on my Pentium
638967;1398282642;asciilifeform;actually, i gave the radiator to diametric
638968;1398282650;asciilifeform;he has it bolted to a co2 laser, i think
638969;1398282704;bounce;that's what, 2x40W tdp?
638970;1398282705;kakobrekla;we ripped the interior air heating radiators from cars
638971;1398282719;kakobrekla;way before you could buy stuff off shelf
638972;1398282724;asciilifeform;anyone who wants to build such a junker today, why, who knows. but use a 25mL test tube for fill port (drill bottom)
638973;1398282739;asciilifeform;(i worked in a lab in those days)
638974;1398282764;asciilifeform;this bugger was no show piece, meant as workhorse
638975;1398282774;asciilifeform;but rumours spread, and other kids came demanding to see it
638976;1398282798;asciilifeform;even girls
638977;1398282810;davout;mircea_popescu: "vwap 0 srsly ?" <<< where are the puts when you need them?
638978;1398282827;asciilifeform;25uL
638979;1398282832;asciilifeform;fuck, still not awake
638980;1398282835;fluffypony;;;rate los_pantalones 1 hooked a brother up with some cleverness
638981;1398282837;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
638982;1398282844;fluffypony;erk
638983;1398282884;asciilifeform;bounce:  2x40W << there was a gpu; also a massive scsi hdd
638984;1398282890;asciilifeform;the latter eventually caught fire
638985;1398282954;bounce;gpu in 2000? o_O?
638986;1398282957;bounce;heh
638987;1398282970;asciilifeform;very basic 'nvidia' thingie
638988;1398282984;asciilifeform;this machine never once touched winblows
638989;1398282994;asciilifeform;'freebsd' until it went to the scrapyard.
638990;1398283007;bounce;freebsd 4 best freebsd
638991;1398283013;asciilifeform;aye
638992;1398283019;fluffypony;bounce: you never had a 3DFX Voodoo?
638993;1398283033;bounce;oh right. no, I didn't have fancy new hardware.
638994;1398283047;asciilifeform;in some ways, that beast was an experience
638995;1398283059;asciilifeform;wake up, check coolant level
638996;1398283068;asciilifeform;'fuck, microscopic leak again'
638997;1398283072;fluffypony;lol
638998;1398283072;kakobrekla;hm i dont seem to have many pic from that era, but i was using this when i was 15 http://imgur.com/veyY8j9
638999;1398283090;kakobrekla;the cooling is not hooked up on the pic
639000;1398283103;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: if i'd used that, some bugger'd have step in it.
639001;1398283108;fluffypony;kakobrekla: is that mirc?
639002;1398283115;kakobrekla;correct
639003;1398283155;kakobrekla;it was not the first or the last or the best but yea.
639004;1398283157;bounce;used a dual ppro for a while, though it wasn't mine and I had to give it back eventually.
639005;1398283191;mircea_popescu;Naphex, if you love me do the following thing :
639006;1398283224;asciilifeform;what can compare to slipping a 'drowned' video board (all-snow display) into a chum's box at night.
639007;1398283238;mircea_popescu;on the page where one can submit documents to be verified, add a link to a textfile constructed as gpg -export-pubkey -a | gpg --clearsign -a
639008;1398283252;mircea_popescu;and add a simple html form where i can dump my files as a gpg -r -a
639009;1398283262;Naphex;mircea_popescu: will do
639010;1398283266;mircea_popescu;this substantially improves your security and helps a lot of things
639011;1398283285;Naphex;ill add it to tasks, i like the idea
639012;1398283288;mircea_popescu;if you're concerned about getting spammed simply make a sensible limit per upload (5mb ?) and only keep one record per account (the last)
639013;1398283294;mircea_popescu;so you auto-overwrite by resubmitting
639014;1398283310;Naphex;all uploada are limited
639015;1398283320;mircea_popescu;so there.
639016;1398283341;Naphex;yep. i'll add it. i like gpg
639017;1398283366;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.51991795 = 1.5598 BTC [-] {3} 
639018;1398283400;mircea_popescu;i like people one doesn't have to argue with.
639019;1398283428;mircea_popescu;;;ident Naphex
639020;1398283428;gribble;Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is not identified.
639021;1398283462;mircea_popescu;Naphex well if you like gpg add a gpg sig to gribble wot so i can get your pubkey.
639022;1398283479;davout;Naphex: since when is your exchange up?
639023;1398283510;Naphex;davout: around december
639024;1398283525;mircea_popescu;!up LeMarkz
639025;1398283525;assbot;Voicing LeMarkz for 30 minutes.
639026;1398283538;davout;open outside romania too ?
639027;1398283540;Naphex;mircea_popescu: i will. only have special keys for docs and ndas
639028;1398283546;Naphex;and other unrelated
639029;1398283557;mircea_popescu;so make another i guess ?
639030;1398283557;kakobrekla;Naphex you only deal with ro people?
639031;1398283571;dexX7;in the case one of you uses bitcoinjs: https://gist.github.com/dcousens/7a54e59a98e445c5ec2f
639032;1398283608;fluffypony;lawl, wife has fallen asleep watching Numbers
639033;1398283613;*;fluffypony plans pranks
639034;1398283621;mircea_popescu;undies on head ?
639035;1398283634;kakobrekla;forehead dick doh
639036;1398283636;fluffypony;hah hah
639037;1398283643;Naphex;kakobrekla: ron is the only fiat atm
639038;1398283651;Naphex;but you can withdar eur
639039;1398283660;kakobrekla;yeah but im from somalia
639040;1398283664;Naphex;and get soke bank conversion fees
639041;1398283664;kakobrekla;can i register?
639042;1398283670;Naphex;probably
639043;1398283674;fluffypony;somalia is best somalia
639044;1398283697;kakobrekla;perhaps ill try
639045;1398283708;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla or you could register a ro corp like sane ppls.
639046;1398283729;kakobrekla;what is it with you and corps, you speak of it like a hobby
639047;1398283751;mircea_popescu;it's a profession.
639048;1398283756;mircea_popescu;the profession is called "businessman"
639049;1398283764;Naphex;switched back to pc
639050;1398283782;kakobrekla;hey i never claimed to be one
639051;1398283816;kakobrekla;anyway i dun think its opening of corps that makes you a biz man
639052;1398283819;Naphex;kakobrekla: so RON/BTC is the only pair atm, with EUR,others to come soon while we still work some stuff out.
639053;1398283829;Naphex;we have sepa so you can withdraw eur, with way bigger fees
639054;1398283840;Naphex;same day delivery in romania though, so primary market
639055;1398283842;kakobrekla;its just side effect, not a pleasant one
639056;1398283862;kakobrekla;k Naphex .
639057;1398283864;mircea_popescu;http://mpex.co/ << everyone pls to notice the upcoming section.
639058;1398283882;asciilifeform;MPIF ?
639059;1398283896;kakobrekla;he puts jokes in that box
639060;1398283897;mircea_popescu;mpif.
639061;1398283902;mircea_popescu;this one is fo realz.
639062;1398283906;davout;mircea popescovitch investment fund?
639063;1398283909;kakobrekla;a real joke.
639064;1398283924;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller can i pay you to send davout a cookie ?
639065;1398283943;davout;Naphex: what's your plan regarding financial regulation?
639066;1398283944;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: due today what time?
639067;1398283947;Naphex;https://bitcoinaverage.com/markets.htm#RON woot :D
639068;1398283948;ozbot;World Currency Markets | BitcoinAverage
639069;1398283950;Naphex;first listing ;]
639070;1398283960;mircea_popescu;fluffypony today the 24th :D
639071;1398283969;fluffypony;oh lol
639072;1398283973;Naphex;davout: i'm not the best to ask about financial stuff. but therese lawyers, and accountants and other people
639073;1398283975;davout;mircea_popescu: send half a bitcoin, that'll do just fine
639074;1398283978;fluffypony;thank goodness, I'd like to sleep tonight
639075;1398283981;mircea_popescu;davout i had neh ?
639076;1398283991;Naphex;davout: from the little i understand, its mostly sorted and all authorities consulted
639077;1398283994;mircea_popescu;oouf, you want THE OTHER HALF ?!
639078;1398283994;asciilifeform;in usa, even the professionally sad can register a corp.
639079;1398283995;davout;i mean another one :D
639080;1398283995;asciilifeform;many do
639081;1398284012;davout;mircea_popescu: already rated you for it! you get 4 nao
639082;1398284018;mircea_popescu;shit look at that.
639083;1398284024;mircea_popescu;nao kako ain't never gunna catch up.
639084;1398284043;davout;Naphex: doesn't really look it
639085;1398284075;kakobrekla;one day imma gonna link you to taht -pr post that sez its not all in the sum
639086;1398284092;Naphex;davout: what do you mean?
639087;1398284096;asciilifeform;'it's not the height of the tower, but the amount of power.'
639088;1398284108;mircea_popescu;BCB has > 1024 total holy shit.
639089;1398284119;benkay;!up thestringpuller
639090;1398284119;assbot;Voicing thestringpuller for 30 minutes.
639091;1398284144;mircea_popescu;i'm like #39 biggest number.
639092;1398284158;numerisTrade;mircea_popescu, you will not share any details before having them posted there, will you? :)
639093;1398284166;davout;Naphex: i mean it's usually required from corps that handle fiat funds on behalf of third parties to be financially registered, which doesn't appear to be the case
639094;1398284181;numerisTrade;that is, regarding S.MPIF
639095;1398284185;mircea_popescu;numerisTrade ima make a trilema post first.
639096;1398284203;numerisTrade;gonna have to be patient, then
639097;1398284241;Naphex;davout: not sure how to answer that, or if a financiall registration is required. but all is operating completly legally
639098;1398284245;Naphex;by Romanian law
639099;1398284276;mircea_popescu;Naphex who;s the gc ?
639100;1398284285;Naphex;gc?
639101;1398284304;mircea_popescu;general counsel
639102;1398284308;mircea_popescu;the head of the legal dept.
639103;1398284327;Naphex;lawyer firm
639104;1398284329;asciilifeform;lol, my first thought was 'garbage collector'
639105;1398284331;Naphex;bucharest
639106;1398284339;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform get used to it, gc is what a cto of law is called.
639107;1398284363;mircea_popescu;Naphex that can't be a gc, it has to be a corp officer. he can hire whoever, but ultimately signs off on it.
639108;1398284374;davout;mircea_popescu Naphex i'm afraid lawyers don't have a lot of clues when dealing with bitcoin, iirc gox had baker & mc kenzie
639109;1398284386;mircea_popescu;davout only after being raped by usg.
639110;1398284390;davout;didn't prevent them from being buttraped on multiple legal accts
639111;1398284403;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
639112;1398284405;davout;mircea_popescu: before as well iirc
639113;1398284412;mircea_popescu;and only because the two idiot investors who had enough sense that they shouldn't have been invested in the first place insisted.
639114;1398284422;mircea_popescu;which specifically excludes ver
639115;1398284442;Naphex;well all is clear atm
639116;1398284456;Naphex;and bank relations are great
639117;1398284462;Naphex;and everyone can do whatever they do best
639118;1398284467;mircea_popescu;you still need a gc.
639119;1398284586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00095588 = 14.9117 BTC [+]
639120;1398284589;fluffypony;or a gf
639121;1398284593;Naphex;got a gf :]
639122;1398284594;davout;Naphex: your banking relationship may be great, but as soon as you handle someone else's fiat by opening them an account, allowing them to cash in and out, you need a financial registration
639123;1398284596;thestringpuller;davout: what kind of cookies you want?
639124;1398284596;BingoBoingo;TomServo: Problem resolved. Literally stepped on it.
639125;1398284596;Naphex;so thats sorted
639126;1398284614;thestringpuller;chocolate chip! cool.
639127;1398284625;davout;thestringpuller: chocolate chip is cool
639128;1398284625;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: stepped on it with butt of mosin?
639129;1398284627;asciilifeform;or bayonet
639130;1398284628;Naphex;davout: there is no _need_ for it atm.
639131;1398284629;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: There's also a deadly form of porcine mega shits killing off the pork here
639132;1398284645;Naphex;what financial registration are you reffering to? does one exist?;o
639133;1398284653;Naphex;https://www.btcxchange.ro/about
639134;1398284655;ozbot;btcXchange.ro - The first Bitcoin exchange in Romania
639135;1398284665;Naphex;the firm is registerd, and registration printed
639136;1398284673;davout;that's something different
639137;1398284682;davout;look up the european payments service directive
639138;1398284694;Naphex;don't do law:[
639139;1398284695;davout;the easiest is a payments service provider license
639140;1398284759;Naphex;sorry davout, can't answer much on that field.
639141;1398284786;davout;Naphex: tbh i like that answer much better than "all is fine we don't need one" :-)
639142;1398284819;Naphex;davout: thats as far as i know lol
639143;1398284861;Naphex;also i'm paid to code the stuff up. and make sure it doesn't get owned.
639144;1398284892;mircea_popescu;Naphex well so pass teh issue along.
639145;1398284892;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Stepped on it with show. Also the mouse was actuall a mouse. Was skittering around the garage while I was trying to IRC and smoke cigarettes in it.
639146;1398284898;davout;how big's your team ?
639147;1398284900;Naphex;mircea_popescu:  i will tomorrow :P
639148;1398284916;Naphex;davout: 6
639149;1398284922;davout;that's good
639150;1398284939;Naphex;with more but on different projects
639151;1398284947;Naphex;there'se 3 more working on a bitcoin atm
639152;1398284962;jurov;benkay: i'm offering some s.nsa shares at bargain ( 0.00029 )
639153;1398284963;davout;do a simple test, ask the legal person, or whatever lawyer you have the following question : "do we need some sort of financial license to do what we do?"
639154;1398284972;jurov;that ask won't stay long there
639155;1398284982;benkay;!l mpex s.nsa
639156;1398284982;assbot;Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016371 BTC [+]
639157;1398284984;davout;if the answer is something along the lines of "no, because bitcoin isn't regulated", then you should run awat
639158;1398284984;jurov;if you feel like investing
639159;1398284989;benkay;!t m s.nsa
639160;1398284990;assbot;[MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.000146 / 0.00016372 / 0.00018 (27190 shares, 4.45 BTC), 30D: 0.000146 / 0.0001634 / 0.00018 (28341 shares, 4.63 BTC)
639161;1398284993;davout;s/awat/away/
639162;1398284997;Naphex;davout: that question i've asked. and thats the answer I received. That by Romanian law everything required we have to operate.
639163;1398285015;Naphex;now don't know the specifics. but i will foward the european payment systems thingie, and see what answer comes
639164;1398285029;davout;Naphex: basically, the idea is that bitcoin isn't the issue,
639165;1398285038;Naphex;no fiat withdrawals/deposits
639166;1398285041;benkay;how is that a bargain at all, jurov ?!
639167;1398285045;davout;you could trade potatoes it wouldn't make anything different
639168;1398285055;davout;"no fiat withdrawals/deposits" << what?
639169;1398285066;Naphex;are the issue
639170;1398285067;Naphex;:P
639171;1398285076;davout;the issue is on the fiat side
639172;1398285076;davout;yeah
639173;1398285090;jurov;bankay they're worth much more
639174;1398285108;benkay;dude
639175;1398285112;mike_c;!l mpex s.nsa
639176;1398285112;assbot;Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016371 BTC [+]
639177;1398285113;jurov;once the word goes out
639178;1398285117;mike_c;hm, that is not right.
639179;1398285127;davout;Naphex: allrighty, have fun looking it all up :D
639180;1398285133;mike_c;assbot should be better at that than anyone.
639181;1398285157;jurov;!depth m s.nsa
639182;1398285158;davout;!l mpex s.nsa
639183;1398285158;assbot;Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00016371 BTC [+]
639184;1398285173;fluffypony;http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/we_are_the_internet_resistance_is_futile.png
639185;1398285181;jurov;assbot got no depth
639186;1398285182;mircea_popescu;i think it uses the average
639187;1398285186;davout;mike_c jurov don't panic, it's actually mpex that's all upside down, assbot is fine
639188;1398285190;davout;XD
639189;1398285193;mircea_popescu;actual last trade was X, but actual last trade AS REPORTED by assbot is y
639190;1398285210;asciilifeform;once the word goes out << i'ma confused one here.
639191;1398285221;davout;fluffypony: LOL
639192;1398285222;asciilifeform;must be teh jetlag
639193;1398285266;mircea_popescu;assbot:
639194;1398285266;mircea_popescu;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 27190 @ 0.00016371 = 4.4513 BTC [+] {4}
639195;1398285267;mircea_popescu;like so
639196;1398285270;jurov;asciilifeform: i think nobody knows yet about cardano outside of our little circle
639197;1398285295;asciilifeform;not like it's secret.
639198;1398285330;jurov;i dun see any luddite journo interns asking about it
639199;1398285343;fluffypony;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581679.0 <- new scamcoin called GuarantCoin, "100% backed by physical gold, every single coin has certain value in gold and can be exchanged for gold anytime"
639200;1398285344;ozbot;[ANN][GTC] GUARANTCOIN
639201;1398285360;asciilifeform;satan preserve me from the journo interns.
639202;1398285372;fluffypony;my favourite line in it: "This ensures lowest value of the coin, the exchange price will be different, most likely higher"
639203;1398285379;jurov;right, hire satan as PR
639204;1398285398;jurov;if mp can have pet manticore, why not?
639205;1398285403;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you happen to have a loglink to where i propositioned you to do atc investment for me ?
639206;1398285412;asciilifeform;i'm pretty certain the buggers will come straight to my door, come the hour.
639207;1398285415;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Not offhand
639208;1398285422;mircea_popescu;recall date ?
639209;1398285438;BingoBoingo;It was pretty soon after I took herbi's ATC and BTC
639210;1398285446;mircea_popescu;yo umean before ?
639211;1398285467;BingoBoingo;Yeah, Oh February 16th-ish is when it started
639212;1398285516;asciilifeform;manticore?! i must still be on the german submarine
639213;1398285553;mike_c;hehe, guarantcoin comment: "Looks good; Nice logo as well."
639214;1398285594;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2014#504761
639215;1398285596;mircea_popescu;there's that on 15th
639216;1398285597;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
639217;1398285658;TestingUnoDosTre;#bitcoin-assets secrets
639218;1398285732;BingoBoingo;Oh
639219;1398285806;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.0009547 = 28.8319 BTC [-]
639220;1398285821;jurov;;;google "the Bitcoin Manticore"
639221;1398285822;gribble;Ca tot… sa tras tot sa fumat tot sa baut tot cum e peste tot ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras-tot-s-a-fumat-tot-s-a-baut-tot-cum-e-peste-tot-la-fel-ca-peste-tot/>; Clif High Wujo Feb.14. 2014 - Bitcoin, Mt Gox, bankers - Part 1 ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGEWvuhkEl8>; Video: Roundup of This Week's Bitcoin News 14th March 2014 ...: (1 more message)
639222;1398285844;asciilifeform;lol that's the one with me making faces, isn't it
639223;1398285852;fluffypony;mike_c: the comments are a cesspool of stupidity..."Wow! Finally coin with the future!"
639224;1398285870;mike_c;well, most of them are socks.  but yes, very amusing.
639225;1398286322;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/
639226;1398286323;ozbot;The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
639227;1398286394;asciilifeform;neato
639228;1398286538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.0009543 = 20.7083 BTC [-] {2} 
639229;1398286645;mircea_popescu;!up phish
639230;1398286645;assbot;Voicing phish for 30 minutes.
639231;1398286816;BingoBoingo;I wonder who all is getting tapped for S.MPIF
639232;1398286834;mircea_popescu;well you're one.
639233;1398286869;BingoBoingo;Of course.
639234;1398286891;BingoBoingo;The hangover suggested it would be a good idea
639235;1398287209;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0683931 = 0.342 BTC [+]
639236;1398287246;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: don't forget to hydrate
639237;1398287265;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: The hangover's over
639238;1398287283;fluffypony;good to hear :)
639239;1398287305;BingoBoingo;I wouldn't be where I am today without the ability to swiftly dispatch a hangover
639240;1398287320;mircea_popescu;;;ident kakobrekla
639241;1398287320;gribble;Nick 'kakobrekla', with hostmask 'kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla', is identified as user 'kakobrekla', with GPG key id 27AF75321F2489E8, key fingerprint 27C3CE9A20851312F086268C27AF75321F2489E8, and bitcoin address None
639242;1398287408;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: likewise...I just find myself way too unproductive for the first ~4 hours after waking up if I'm hanging like a little bitch
639243;1398288063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00095197 = 30.8438 BTC [-] {3} 
639244;1398288064;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 90 @ 0.0618981 = 5.5708 BTC [-] {9} 
639245;1398288124;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0678 = 0.339 BTC [+]
639246;1398288125;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.00482011 = 0.376 BTC [+]
639247;1398288185;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00518408 = 0.1244 BTC [+] {2} 
639248;1398288365;mircea_popescu;http://pandodaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/singersm1.jpg << fiattalks.org butthurt
639249;1398288504;Naphex;gn o/
639250;1398288505;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Still no reply from srgexpert
639251;1398288515;mircea_popescu;whossat again ?
639252;1398288643;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2012/the-patrick-harnett-saga-continues/
639253;1398288644;ozbot;The Patrick Harnett saga continues pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
639254;1398288668;BingoBoingo;?
639255;1398289055;mircea_popescu;ah
639256;1398289105;fluffypony;http://pando.com/2014/04/23/startups-anonymous-things-founders-say-to-investors-that-are-complete-bs/
639257;1398289106;ozbot;Startups Anonymous: Things founders say to investors that are complete BS | PandoDaily
639258;1398289404;fluffypony;“My cofounder turned down a job at Google to focus on our company.� Translation: He applied for an internship a while back and it fell through.
639259;1398289427;fluffypony;can we file that with the "world class mathematicians" involved in every cryptocurrency-related project?
639260;1398289567;mircea_popescu;im looking for the world class submarines.
639261;1398289573;mircea_popescu;> typhoon class.
639262;1398289614;asciilifeform;lol
639263;1398289616;fluffypony;lol
639264;1398289655;asciilifeform;miningboot?
639265;1398289686;benkay;miningboot!
639266;1398289719;asciilifeform;i could easily live in one, and not notice.
639267;1398289837;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are you this Arlyn Culwick fellow and trolling me ?
639268;1398290034;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: plz sort creditsout noa
639269;1398290040;fluffypony;*credits out
639270;1398290153;bounce;you more or less missed a chance to snag a few subs for essentially free down in the crimea
639271;1398290180;fluffypony;asciilifeform: https://scontent-b-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/10169256_799974603356886_8876868538876731843_n.jpg
639272;1398290210;bounce;I'd buy into that.
639273;1398290259;mircea_popescu;flushed.
639274;1398290272;fluffypony;thank you kindly
639275;1398290288;mircea_popescu;lol
639276;1398290291;mircea_popescu;nice pic
639277;1398290351;mircea_popescu;so do they fight the impedance or what ?
639278;1398290386;fluffypony;hah hah
639279;1398290570;bounce;fighting the current, technically
639280;1398290586;bounce;dissipating the power
639281;1398290640;jurov;as soon as the current starts to change, parasite reactances appear
639282;1398290704;mircea_popescu;lol
639283;1398290830;bounce;so what is the resistance and what the impedance of... the local beach?
639284;1398291357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31262 @ 0.00095093 = 29.728 BTC [-]
639285;1398291737;mircea_popescu;khersonus http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/time-value-of-money/ not bad.
639286;1398291924;mircea_popescu;benkay http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/16_erc-wot-integration-such-gift.html can you explain this to me ?
639287;1398292026;bounce;you need to speka lisp-a to understand-a
639288;1398292035;mircea_popescu;aokl
639289;1398292076;mircea_popescu;!up davide
639290;1398292076;assbot;Voicing davide for 30 minutes.
639291;1398292077;mircea_popescu;"Additionally, algorithms from the NSA are considered a sort of alien technology: they come from a superior race with no explanations."
639292;1398292090;mircea_popescu;gotta love how schneier sticks these psy-ops little turds in everything he writes.
639293;1398292093;bounce;though the real question is, is that a /signed/ tag?
639294;1398292100;mircea_popescu;yo, bruce, wakeup call : the nsa is about as fucktartded as you are. srsly.
639295;1398292192;bounce;actually, no. they employ a fsckton of mathematicians and they know everything that's in the open plus an unspecified amount we don't know about. best guess (last I heard) was that they're about five years ahead of the open community with the research
639296;1398292234;mircea_popescu;bounce nonsense.
639297;1398292248;bounce;you can see how that works in, say, DES, where the NSA suggested stuff that turned out to be resistant to a type of attack not known publically at the time DES was finalised
639298;1398292259;mircea_popescu;if spending money solved problems the phoenician empire'd still be a thing.
639299;1398292293;mircea_popescu;nobody is denying a lot of smart people work for the nsa.
639300;1398292310;mircea_popescu;heck, a lot of smart people worked for microsoft, and alcatel, and whatever other pointless dinosaur. adobe.
639301;1398292316;mircea_popescu;that does not make ADOBE smart. at all.
639302;1398292331;mircea_popescu;for all the brilliant russians living in the 70s, the ussr was dumb as rocks.
639303;1398292354;bounce;yeah, but we're not talking NSA as a whole. we're talking the stuff that comes out of there in the form of algorithms
639304;1398292380;mircea_popescu;it's not clear why this reclassification'd be useful to your position.
639305;1398292381;Apocalyptic;"best guess (last I heard) was that they're about five years ahead of the open community with the research" that may have been accurate a few years ago
639306;1398292387;Apocalyptic;i don't believe it's the case nowadays
639307;1398292403;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic it was perhaps accurate in the 90s.
639308;1398292417;Apocalyptic;sounds reasonable
639309;1398292421;mircea_popescu;as the things stand right now, they never had an internal bitcoin,
639310;1398292424;mircea_popescu;and we wiped their heartbleed.
639311;1398292439;mircea_popescu;and while we know what they don't know, they don't know what we know.
639312;1398292442;mircea_popescu;which... you know.
639313;1398292449;Apocalyptic;a possible explanation may be that cryptography as a field wasn't that broad in academia back then
639314;1398292555;bounce;still, they know what we know plus a bunch we don't know much about. we don't know how big it is, we don't know what it does. for that reason you have to be careful with their "gifts". that's the point he's making.
639315;1398292577;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1927 @ 0.0001357 = 0.2615 BTC [+] {3} 
639316;1398292580;fluffypony;bed time, bye
639317;1398292614;dexX7;good night
639318;1398292667;mircea_popescu;<bounce> still, they know what we know plus a bunch << this is strictly false.
639319;1398292680;bounce;show how.
639320;1398292703;mircea_popescu;because you imagine perfect knowledge ("everyone publishes everything they know and everyone reads it all") to get your result
639321;1398292710;mircea_popescu;this is not at all how teh community works.
639322;1398292747;mircea_popescu;anyway. i know what he's pretending he's trying to say, but that ain't at all what he;s saying. what he's saying is "resistence is futile", that's the message, and it's a ridiculous.
639323;1398292769;bounce;that's not how I read it
639324;1398292839;mircea_popescu;now without offense, let me just propose to you as a theory that it's possible you'd not know how you read it. in the same sense advertising works.
639325;1398292857;bounce;wouldn't surprise me if the NSA has everyone with a little crypto knowledge on watchlists just to see the privately-circulating papers
639326;1398292868;mircea_popescu;sure.
639327;1398293005;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00509 = 0.2291 BTC [-]
639328;1398293181;bounce;I think you're reaching with that line of reasoning. I know how I read it and I disagree with how you read it. I will allow that a-priori notions on either side (or both) might have something to do with the interpretation.
639329;1398293198;mircea_popescu;well that's as far as it can possibly go huh
639330;1398293204;bounce;you might ask him which he ment, and why. :-)
639331;1398293222;mircea_popescu;i might as well ask obama if he really meant i can keep my insurance.
639332;1398293295;bounce;c'mon, cook up a nice 20 questions to finnagle the truth out of oracle schneier
639333;1398293312;mircea_popescu;he'd be insulted
639334;1398293341;bounce;and you care about that, how? o_O?
639335;1398293342;mircea_popescu;that's the trick with "being insulted" : it affords plausible deniability to they who don't want to have the truth extracted.
639336;1398293348;mircea_popescu;well i don't care, but he'd stop answering.
639337;1398293431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37550 @ 0.00095066 = 35.6973 BTC [-] {3} 
639338;1398293475;mircea_popescu;anyway, re your "you're reaching" comment, i told a story at teh conference that should prolly be on the record.
639339;1398293512;mircea_popescu;so, as kids, one party game was to whistle into an old, low baud modem. they were slow enough that it was still sort-of feasible. the game was, who gets the modem going for longer thinking it's got a sane modem on the other end
639340;1398293543;mircea_popescu;(trivial to observe when it noticed you're human because of the very distinctive "error pls to start over" tone"
639341;1398293561;mircea_popescu;i believe that's really the model for all communication.
639342;1398293671;bounce;doing a little survey among cryptographers of name with how and at what size they assess the NSA's knowledge advandage, if any, might be interesting. doing it every couple years maybe even moreso.
639343;1398293729;bounce;I don't think all communication is quite that lopsided, to be honest.
639344;1398293779;mircea_popescu;ils ne se servent de la pensée que pour autoriser leurs injustices, et emploient les paroles que pour déguiser leurs pensées
639345;1398293801;mircea_popescu;bounce how do you mean lopsided ?
639346;1398293819;bounce;then again, much of it isn't quite so very good either.
639347;1398293871;mircea_popescu;what i meant was strictly this, that your particular response matched what i may have accepted as proof that you indeed may know how you read it.
639348;1398293988;bounce;possibly. :-)
639349;1398294102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00095123 = 27.3003 BTC [+] {2} 
639350;1398294130;bounce;lopsided isn't really the word. somehow a better word eludes me for the moment.
639351;1398294289;mircea_popescu;"Error getting file: -1: Unspecified error"
639352;1398294303;mircea_popescu;for the love of the error god ;/
639353;1398294423;bounce;context? wild guess says using fn return instead of errno like it should've been used
639354;1398294458;mircea_popescu;old proprietary camera.
639355;1398294651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00095161 = 10.8484 BTC [+]
639356;1398294651;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.512 = 1.024 BTC [-] {2} 
639357;1398295025;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: Culwick wtf what?
639358;1398295041;mircea_popescu;this dude arguing metaphysics with me
639359;1398295100;asciilifeform;nein, i'm still trying to wake up from me beautiful dreamz.
639360;1398295161;asciilifeform;'Had it been a dream?  It was still worth it!  ... Now he had to think about his own survival.  With the aid of his wrist geiger he found a deactivated lane through the rubble.  He’d better get back to the shelter before dark, before the rats came out.  If he didn’t hurry he’d miss the evening potato ration.'
639361;1398295207;asciilifeform;(robert sheckley's 'store of the worlds' - www.e-reading.ws/txt.php/1000018/Sheckley_-_The_Store_Of_The_Worlds.txt)
639362;1398295390;asciilifeform;re: nsa crypto:
639363;1398295391;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323
639364;1398295391;ozbot;Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name.
639365;1398295406;asciilifeform;(musings on the 'smart nsa' hypothesis, i know)
639366;1398295431;asciilifeform;exercise in 'intelligence with open sources'
639367;1398295505;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51999999 BTC [+]
639368;1398295534;asciilifeform;more seriously, virtually nothing re: cryptology from the era preceding modern computing is worth terribly much.
639369;1398295557;mircea_popescu;so on the very good news front, i've already lined up 4 managers for s.mpif, whole shebang nominally worth a little north of 170 btc atm.
639370;1398295626;asciilifeform;the americans really fucked themselves. 'why bother being strong, let's make everyone weak.' they somehow kept most of the planet using rotor (!) crypto machines through the '70s!
639371;1398295631;asciilifeform;;;google CryptoAG
639372;1398295631;gribble;Crypto AG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG>; Schneier on Security: NSA Backdoors in Crypto AG Ciphering ...: <https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/01/nsa_backdoors_i.html>; Crypto AG: <http://www.crypto.ch/>
639373;1398295686;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform funny you should mention crypto ag
639374;1398295688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15625 @ 0.00095284 = 14.8881 BTC [+]
639375;1398295694;mircea_popescu;because...well... they use the mpex shareholding model.
639376;1398295702;mircea_popescu;apparently this is possible in fiat just fine. whodda thunk it.
639377;1398295704;asciilifeform;phun phact. cryptoag still exists! and used by diplomats, etc. how to explain? only theory i can think of is that folks deliberately buy into the crapola - as a gesture of doggy submission to usa
639378;1398295747;asciilifeform;this is possible in fiat just fine << various 'impossibles' are quite possible when they must.
639379;1398295749;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06792804 = 0.4755 BTC [+] {3} 
639380;1398295810;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06869835 = 0.5496 BTC [+] {2} 
639381;1398295844;mircea_popescu;right. what's "impossible" is just admitting mp has the power to make the impossible quite possible.
639382;1398295847;mike_c;mircea_popescu: will piffy managers and projects be announced?
639383;1398295856;mircea_popescu;mike_c of course.
639384;1398295868;mircea_popescu;prolly tomorrow, actually.
639385;1398295879;mike_c;follow up question: is BingoBoingo all 4 managers? ;)
639386;1398295885;mircea_popescu;nope. just 1.
639387;1398295902;asciilifeform;the power to make the impossible quite possible << Führerprinzip, the elixir of shit getting done.
639388;1398295992;mircea_popescu;mike_c actually i'll bet you a certain pizza you won't be able to guess all 4.
639389;1398296009;mike_c;hmm
639390;1398296010;mircea_popescu;you get a list as long as you wish, provided you publish it by tomorrow.
639391;1398296060;mike_c;i hate to turn down action, but feels like a tough wager.  there are a lot of people i don't know.
639392;1398296084;mircea_popescu;im known for my tough wagers and an almost fanatical devotion to the poke.
639393;1398296227;mircea_popescu;;;rated mike_c
639394;1398296228;gribble;You rated user mike_c on Tue Mar 25 20:15:55 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: blogger, dev.
639395;1398296236;jurov;soooo... should i stay up to add S.MPIF to coinbr or it can wait?
639396;1398296255;mircea_popescu;jurov can wait, the contract'll be up at a sane time, but in a few days.
639397;1398296259;mircea_popescu;and trading will open after anyway
639398;1398296272;jurov;gut
639399;1398296298;BingoBoingo;I'm kind of curious what other markets S.MPIF is going to venture into
639400;1398296333;mircea_popescu;i'll bet you you won't be able to guess all 4.
639401;1398296336;mircea_popescu;same deal.
639402;1398296358;asciilifeform;smpif sounds neat but too big for me puny brain.
639403;1398296393;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually it's devilishly simple. you'll see after a few monthly reports.
639404;1398296405;asciilifeform;arbitrobots?
639405;1398296409;mircea_popescu;nop.
639406;1398296427;mircea_popescu;no robots. unlike the alex chick i'm an ACTUAL luddite. i use people.
639407;1398296429;mike_c;buying houses in ohio?
639408;1398296434;mircea_popescu;nop.
639409;1398296447;kakobrekla;mike_c in argentina
639410;1398296448;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I prefer meat bot to describe my role in this
639411;1398296467;mircea_popescu;no, there's no real estate at all.
639412;1398296469;mike_c;lol. argentina house flipping!
639413;1398296477;mircea_popescu;this makes it fair for BingoBoingo, seeing how mike_c also knew 1.
639414;1398296481;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: no shame in this. atm i'm doing things chinese robogirls won't do
639415;1398296490;mircea_popescu;^
639416;1398296499;*;mircea_popescu is known for turning people into robots.
639417;1398296506;mircea_popescu;sieg hail.
639418;1398296529;mircea_popescu;also, http://oglaf.com/porkchisel/
639419;1398296535;asciilifeform;'i am bender, please insert girder.' ('futurama')
639420;1398296830;asciilifeform;shame that arbitrobots appear to be a dead field. the modus operandi of mine, for instance, was to root out and autorape other bots.
639421;1398296830;mircea_popescu;lol
639422;1398296831;asciilifeform;never bothered to make it airworthy, though, so it's a boring tale.
639423;1398296831;asciilifeform;it was, at one point (laugh, sure) intended to play on... gox.
639424;1398296933;asciilifeform;i lost interest in the project >1yr ago, when i realized that i won't be selling so much as 1 btc while i live here.
639425;1398296952;benkay;amen
639426;1398296995;mircea_popescu;not a bad policy.
639427;1398297009;asciilifeform;people still say 'martian'
639428;1398297142;asciilifeform;glad the chicoms happily take bezollars. (for now.)
639429;1398297202;asciilifeform;or i'd have to etch boards again, like when student.
639430;1398297215;asciilifeform;(and eat wildlife)
639431;1398297567;kakobrekla;local companies?
639432;1398297571;BingoBoingo;Much of the best food is wildlife
639433;1398297591;kakobrekla;i have two low-mid series pcb manufacturers in 5km radius
639434;1398297598;mircea_popescu;sooo!
639435;1398297614;mircea_popescu;this is the highest linecount since forever
639436;1398297672;mircea_popescu;2.) fluffypony  1247 3.) assbot 1211 << africans and their long peens.
639437;1398297679;BingoBoingo;Imma have to guess the S.MPIF markets are BTC/USD, BTC/Typhoon submarines, BTC/Uranium, and BTC/Human Souls
639438;1398297727;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/UvspIIq,CqpmXCx,p2ExGTe,qAcmmpX,SJ3lCpM,avlxgmG,dr2NHfE,3yeBuFm
639439;1398297727;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
639440;1398297734;mike_c;hm, there has got to be an arbitrage loop on btc/usd/human souls
639441;1398297754;mircea_popescu;Humanity was almost extinguished, their spirits becoming part of the background radiation that blanketed the earth.
639442;1398297786;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/embed/pXMnRaSkkp4
639443;1398297786;ozbot;Fallout 2 Intro (1998) - YouTube
639444;1398297801;asciilifeform;'the man who loved the faioli' !
639445;1398297816;asciilifeform;http://www.lib.ru/ZELQZNY/TheManWhoLovedTheFaioli.txt
639446;1398297824;asciilifeform;(or maybe not. but i was damn sure that was in there)
639447;1398297966;BingoBoingo;"From 1985 to 1989 Williamson worked at Nicolet Instruments in Madison, Wisconsin where he was the primary author on two digital hearing aid patents."
639448;1398297986;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange
639449;1398298365;BingoBoingo;http://www.flickr.com/photos/74896762@N00/3167352760/
639450;1398298367;ozbot;amniotic sac | Flickr - Photo Sharing
639451;1398298393;asciilifeform;earlier link was steam plant in Timis.
639452;1398298404;BingoBoingo;Ah, cool
639453;1398298408;asciilifeform;0400 hour, monday
639454;1398298425;asciilifeform;hieronymous bosch apparently lives there.
639455;1398298467;BingoBoingo;Amazing how in the US Steam plants are generally just a University thing and yet every on campus steam plant I've seen has been as boring as shit.
639456;1398298481;asciilifeform;on account of boschlessness.
639457;1398298688;asciilifeform;re: Faioli << recommended to all aficionados of pet manticores.
639458;1398298776;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/KSmZQ69
639459;1398298776;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
639460;1398298780;asciilifeform;^ sherlock holmes.
639461;1398298789;benkay;lysergic precursors are strictly controlled, whaddaya expect?
639462;1398298812;asciilifeform;let them control carbon.
639463;1398298925;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/SLpTRCm
639464;1398298925;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
639465;1398298927;asciilifeform;^ femei
639466;1398298947;asciilifeform;(clicked? admit, lustful buggers)
639467;1398298982;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5425 @ 0.00095286 = 5.1693 BTC [+] {2} 
639468;1398298997;mircea_popescu;well i hadn't, but if you insist
639469;1398299001;asciilifeform;lol
639470;1398299017;mircea_popescu;lol
639471;1398299024;mircea_popescu;was that the abandoned urinal ?
639472;1398299031;asciilifeform;menstrual.
639473;1398299045;mircea_popescu;here's the story of the blessings of lobbyism
639474;1398299064;mircea_popescu;romania had, in all cities, proper urinals built all over town. the whole shebang, with running water.
639475;1398299082;mircea_popescu;dumbass firm started importing the 2mc bullshits, with chemical "processing"
639476;1398299094;mircea_popescu;and got kickback-based contracts to "supply" the city.
639477;1398299106;mircea_popescu;as a result, all the proper urinals are nao destroyed.
639478;1398299127;asciilifeform;ugh
639479;1398299131;mircea_popescu;because well.... they can't compete, because they solve a problem rather than grooming it with dysfunctional non-solutions, and so have nothing to kick back.
639480;1398299137;asciilifeform;classic
639481;1398299138;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/RL9x21p
639482;1398299139;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
639483;1398299141;asciilifeform;^ femei, for real
639484;1398299143;mircea_popescu;now... explain to me again how teh nsa is 5 years ahead of my penis.
639485;1398299192;benkay;to further our discussion of economies: http://falkenblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/batesian-mimicry-explanation-of.html
639486;1398299194;kakobrekla;o looky
639487;1398299197;kakobrekla;davout asciilifeform
639488;1398299198;kakobrekla;http://flappy2048.com
639489;1398299225;kakobrekla;also mike_c and whoever else
639490;1398299240;mike_c;fuck, there goes my evening.
639491;1398299268;asciilifeform;defunct ?
639492;1398299303;kakobrekla;works here
639493;1398299329;asciilifeform;ehehe, flash
639494;1398299370;mircea_popescu;"In an expansion investors are constantly looking for better places to invest their capital, while entrepreneurs are always overconfident, hoping to get capital to fund their restless ambition. Sometimes, the investors (dupes) think a certain set of key characteristics are sufficient statistics of a quality investment because historically they were. Mimic entrepreneurs seize upon these key characteristics that will all
639495;1398299370;mircea_popescu;ow them to garner funds from the duped investors. "
639496;1398299373;benkay;Once the number of mimics is sufficiently high, their valueless enterprises become too conspicuous and they no longer pass off as legitimate investments.
639497;1398299384;mircea_popescu;benkay a good theory which requires dupes to have a functioning ganglion.
639498;1398299387;benkay;(quotes, etc)
639499;1398299388;mircea_popescu;they... don't, mostly.
639500;1398299398;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/VZ8jZkP
639501;1398299399;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
639502;1398299401;benkay;no but they have shitloads of cash
639503;1398299403;asciilifeform;^ statute to the unknown lamer
639504;1398299406;asciilifeform;*statue
639505;1398299417;mircea_popescu;Your browser is not compatible with this site. Sorry :( << kakobrekla wtf bs!
639506;1398299426;kakobrekla;anyway it involved different kind of brain power than the 2048
639507;1398299446;kakobrekla;much less actual thinking
639508;1398299476;kakobrekla;mp you know just scammin around
639509;1398299521;kakobrekla;anyway i just thought it was rele-tarded enough to post.
639510;1398299544;mircea_popescu;"AllAdvantage was a website that paid members to surf the Net. It paid to acquire these users, and supposedly leveraged its members’ eyeballs into advertizing dollars. At the initial fundraiser internet capitalist Frank Quattrone, who helped fund Cisco and many other legitimate successful concerns, and President Clinton both paid tribute to AllAdvantage"
639511;1398299546;mircea_popescu;muy true
639512;1398299551;mircea_popescu;i wish the falk joined hiar.
639513;1398299557;benkay;"For example, subsequent to the 1990 Commercial Real Estate debacle, defaults in this asset class were well below average across the board for the subsequent decade. In the aftermath of that crisis, newly issued Commercial Real Estate Asset Backed securities did very well, because everyone was especially cognizant of the risk factors involved. A similar thing happened in railroads after the Penn Central railroad defaulted in the early
639514;1398299557;benkay;1970s. Fooled once, investors were not fooled again in that specific way, making the key risky asset characteristic of the latest recession a metric of safety going forward."
639515;1398299568;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/32Hn20X
639516;1398299568;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
639517;1398299572;asciilifeform;^ this is posted for a reason
639518;1398299579;benkay;if only the forum knew its own history.
639519;1398299581;asciilifeform;and not simply because this toilet is bigger than my living room
639520;1398299600;mircea_popescu;sadly blog is pretty much abandoned
639521;1398299601;asciilifeform;me grandpa (physicist) first encountered a bidet in vienna
639522;1398299624;asciilifeform;in '45.
639523;1398299634;asciilifeform;he went 'fuck, this place has 2 shitters'
639524;1398299641;kakobrekla;lol
639525;1398299643;asciilifeform;and of course deposited in the smaller one
639526;1398299645;mircea_popescu;bidets are great. can't keep young women w/o em
639527;1398299653;asciilifeform;commander made him clean it out. with matchsticks.
639528;1398299691;asciilifeform;i've never seen one in person previously.
639529;1398299704;asciilifeform;but at least i knew grandfather's fate.
639530;1398299747;mircea_popescu;but see, suppose you wanna eat her out. what do you do ? full shower ? sink acrobatics ?
639531;1398299756;asciilifeform;lolmatic
639532;1398299803;benkay;plenty of material left.
639533;1398299805;asciilifeform;we all wanna have 'timisoara problems'
639534;1398299822;asciilifeform;vs. finding a deactivated path through the rubble with wrist geiger...
639535;1398300125;asciilifeform;(other grandpa, field hospital, not sure he ever saw bidet until died)
639536;1398300240;asciilifeform;https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7083969/1/The-Vienna-Offensive
639537;1398300241;ozbot;The Vienna Offensive, a hetalia - axis powers fanfic | FanFiction
639538;1398300250;asciilifeform;^ this exists.
639539;1398300385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00095034 = 3.9914 BTC [-]
639540;1398300629;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7225 @ 0.00095192 = 6.8776 BTC [+]
639541;1398300873;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06869835 = 0.8931 BTC [+]
639542;1398300874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00095226 = 7.7133 BTC [+] {2} 
639543;1398301417;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/04/rip-mike-ruppert.html
639544;1398301417;ozbot;ClubOrlov: RIP Mike Ruppert
639545;1398301436;asciilifeform;^ one of the original collapse blog folks took the Colt-45 Retirement Plan.
639546;1398301494;asciilifeform;(here in usa, the Colt Pension, Life & Health Insurance Co. is doing brisk business.)
639547;1398301544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00095588 = 12.1875 BTC [+]
639548;1398301605;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51029099 = 1.0206 BTC [-] {2} 
639549;1398302093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6975 @ 0.00095496 = 6.6608 BTC [-]
639550;1398302581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00095481 = 10.5984 BTC [-] {2} 
639551;1398303758;kakobrekla;forum investors: http://i.imgur.com/BGEedbu.gif
639552;1398303923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00095588 = 11.2794 BTC [+]
639553;1398304655;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-]
639554;1398304656;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [-]
639555;1398304716;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
639556;1398304777;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-]
639557;1398304778;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.031998 = 0.16 BTC [-] {2} 
639558;1398304838;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]
639559;1398304899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04185166 = 0.2511 BTC [-] {6} 
639560;1398304900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199 = 0.16 BTC [-]
639561;1398304961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
639562;1398305817;dexX7;anyone from bitcoindoc.com here?
639563;1398306280;mike_c;higher numbers of crackers
639564;1398306390;mod6;haha kako
639565;1398307309;ThickAsThieves;<+mircea_popescu> i'll bet you you won't be able to guess all 4. // i likes me a challenge
639566;1398307327;ThickAsThieves;bingo, davout, uhhh i'm drunk
639567;1398307373;ThickAsThieves;pankakke, apocalyptic
639568;1398307405;ThickAsThieves;switch apoc for jurov
639569;1398307461;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51990652 = 1.0398 BTC [+] {2} 
639570;1398307522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0048 = 0.144 BTC [-]
639571;1398307549;ThickAsThieves;i will take my prize in atc
639572;1398307552;ThickAsThieves;thanks
639573;1398307601;ThickAsThieves;appl doing a 7-1 stock split? unexpected!
639574;1398307827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4241 @ 0.00095552 = 4.0524 BTC [-]
639575;1398308742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8458 @ 0.00095445 = 8.0727 BTC [-] {2} 
639576;1398309053;dexX7;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=000al7ru3ms
639577;1398309076;bitcoinpete;so many logs, so many logs, so many logs, hey hey hey
639578;1398309324;bitcoinpete;oooo mpif...
639579;1398309962;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8040 @ 0.00095507 = 7.6788 BTC [+]
639580;1398310023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
639581;1398310084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07499998 = 0.15 BTC [-]
639582;1398310389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3819 @ 0.00095507 = 3.6474 BTC [+]
639583;1398310694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00095546 = 1.481 BTC [+]
639584;1398310980;bitcoinpete;http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/04/23/us-apple-dow-index-idINKBN0D91AJ20140423 <<AAPL 7:1 split, dividend bump, 50% bigger buyback... and i sold 'em all a year ago to the day
639585;1398310980;ozbot;Apple slice: Share split makes joining the Dow more likely
639586;1398311060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8524 @ 0.00095363 = 8.1287 BTC [-] {3} 
639587;1398311391;bitcoinpete;shoulda noticed ThickAsThieves...
639588;1398311425;bitcoinpete;.d
639589;1398311425;ozbot;6.979 billion | Next Diff in 956 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.3790% in 5d 16h 22m 14s
639590;1398311794;bitcoinpete;;;later tell kakobrekla thanks for the link and the lmao forum investors gif!
639591;1398311794;gribble;The operation succeeded.
639592;1398311873;ThickAsThieves;the lesson with the stocks is
639593;1398311877;ThickAsThieves;every price comes twice
639594;1398311884;ThickAsThieves;tech stocks*
639595;1398311918;ThickAsThieves;i learned this the hard way with netflix
639596;1398311926;ThickAsThieves;glad i held my appl
639597;1398311934;ThickAsThieves;sold my goog at peak
639598;1398311943;ThickAsThieves;and tsla is a fun ride
639599;1398312004;ThickAsThieves;btc on the other hand...
639600;1398312009;ThickAsThieves;fukn ponzi
639601;1398312044;bitcoinpete;lol pretty much
639602;1398312219;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4187 @ 0.00095588 = 4.0023 BTC [+]
639603;1398312252;bgupta;So is there any way to cryptographically take a blockchain and split it into seperate blockchains but transfer value between the blockchains on a 1/1 ratio, without having them just simply be seperate blockchains with market dynamics?
639604;1398312890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00095218 = 3.5231 BTC [-]
639605;1398314380;bitcoinpete;http://epicureandealmaker.blogspot.ca/2008/10/everyone-can-be-super.html <<trainflakes
639606;1398314380;ozbot;The Epicurean Dealmaker: Everyone Can Be Super
639607;1398314439;bitcoinpete;"The gleaming monuments of every society are built high upon the bones and broken dreams of millions and millions of nobodies who hoped for something better."
639608;1398314704;bitcoinpete;"Here’s the straight dope: you ain’t that great, and you sure as hell ain’t that unique. Get in line with the other millions in your age group and suck it up."
639609;1398314716;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu let me tell you about this crazy thing some crypto cats were banging on at me about today. given a company who's interested in genes and a uni with a giant set of genes and phone numbers for each, how do you match the people with the company without the company revealing what sequence it's interested in or the uni the people's gene sequences?
639610;1398314717;gribble;The operation succeeded.
639611;1398314829;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu "homomorphic or semi-homomorphic" encryption, where 3 parties each control one computer working with the other two in lockstep to solve the problem.
639612;1398314830;gribble;The operation succeeded.
639613;1398314845;benkay;asciilifeform: your wisdom and insight on the topic much appreciated to boot.
639614;1398314874;benkay;"semi homomorphic encryption and multiparty communication" is what the web tells me this snake oil is called.
639615;1398314907;benkay;off for the night, y'all. please break havelock for me
639616;1398314950;bitcoinpete;cheers
639617;1398314964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.067173 = 0.3359 BTC [-] {2} 
639618;1398314966;bitcoinpete;we'll try
639619;1398317526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00095218 = 5.8083 BTC [-]
639620;1398318807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00095303 = 15.6297 BTC [+]
639621;1398319417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1257 @ 0.00095303 = 1.198 BTC [+]
639622;1398319433;fluffypony;http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/justice/postal-worker-jailed-missing-mail/index.html
639623;1398319433;ozbot;Kentucky postal worker jailed for stashing 44,900 pieces of mail - CNN.com
639624;1398319905;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0075 = 1.125 BTC [+]
639625;1398320149;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06555962 = 6.556 BTC [-] {7} 
639626;1398320210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.06522636 = 2.5438 BTC [-] {3} 
639627;1398320393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 90 @ 0.06263131 = 5.6368 BTC [-] {5} 
639628;1398321186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00095339 = 5.053 BTC [+] {2} 
639629;1398322040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 266 @ 0.00083683 = 0.2226 BTC [+] {2} 
639630;1398322650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00095099 = 10.7937 BTC [-] {4} 
639631;1398323077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6243 @ 0.00095341 = 5.9521 BTC [+]
639632;1398323161;fluffypony;http://an7isec.blogspot.co.il/2014/04/pown-noobs-acunetix-0day.html
639633;1398323161;ozbot;An7i Security: Pwn the n00bs - Acunetix 0day
639634;1398323162;fluffypony;nice
639635;1398323173;fluffypony;Naphex will enjoy that
639636;1398323276;HeySteve;hey fluffypony, do you know what sort of customs duty SA would charge on electronics imports?
639637;1398323309;fluffypony;HeySteve: it depends on what electronics...typically for PC components it's just 14% VAT and a release fee (R15 - R30)
639638;1398323317;fluffypony;because PC components are classified by customs as "spare parts"
639639;1398323333;HeySteve;I found a nice camera on coinsfortech selling for btc, works out about R7000 cheaper than on kalahari including shipping
639640;1398323345;HeySteve;ok so just the VAT thanks
639641;1398323354;fluffypony;yep
639642;1398323359;fluffypony;but
639643;1398323384;fluffypony;CoinsForTech ship with FedEx (SupaSwift is the local agent)
639644;1398323400;fluffypony;so you'll also have to pay their admin/documentation charges
639645;1398323423;HeySteve;are those expensive?
639646;1398323450;fluffypony;yeah, and a camera isn't electronics components, different tarriff heading
639647;1398323489;fluffypony;not sure what tariff heading they'll list it under
639648;1398323495;fluffypony;but it looks like they'll charge VAT
639649;1398323502;fluffypony;then
639650;1398323527;fluffypony;processing fee of R142.83, disbursement fee of R26.51, release fee of R2, all plus VAT
639651;1398323547;HeySteve;right. still about R4k cheaper, it's just the wait time
639652;1398323583;fluffypony;FedEx is fast - 5-10 actual days tops
639653;1398323644;HeySteve;cool thx
639654;1398324114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4207 @ 0.00095471 = 4.0165 BTC [+]
639655;1398324785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00095417 = 9.7325 BTC [-] {2} 
639656;1398325090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00095488 = 6.0157 BTC [+] {2} 
639657;1398325944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2107 @ 0.00095409 = 2.0103 BTC [-]
639658;1398326798;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04417849 = 0.3092 BTC [+] {3} 
639659;1398326866;fluffypony;moiety: top o' the mornin'
639660;1398326888;moiety;morning!
639661;1398326908;mircea_popescu;heya!
639662;1398326914;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: morning
639663;1398326939;moiety;how are you guys today?
639664;1398326951;moiety;i don't feel fully awake
639665;1398326970;fluffypony;also feeling a little bushed
639666;1398326971;fluffypony;need a third espresso
639667;1398326986;wywialm;hello moiety, hello mircea_popescu
639668;1398327029;mircea_popescu;you people and teh coffee habit.
639669;1398327045;mircea_popescu;o hey, wywialm didja read my fundamental thing on economics ?
639670;1398327105;wywialm;yes, i did, i'm in the process of responding
639671;1398327146;wywialm;it may take a day or so, unfortunately
639672;1398327178;fluffypony;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1416262/Court-refuses-trial-by-combat.html
639673;1398327179;ozbot;Court refuses trial by combat - Telegraph
639674;1398327225;wywialm;would you like to discuss it in the channel or read my opinion in the comments?
639675;1398327226;mircea_popescu;wywialm no rush!
639676;1398327230;mircea_popescu;comments better.
639677;1398327235;wywialm;sure
639678;1398327246;mircea_popescu;the channel is difficult to sort for all but the most advanced of wizards
639679;1398327274;Naphex;morning
639680;1398327315;moiety;I'm now imagining you in full wizard get up when in here
639681;1398327324;moiety;http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/23/raf-fighter-jets-russian-bombers-scotland
639682;1398327325;ozbot;RAF fighter jets intercept Russian bombers off coast of Scotland | UK news | theguardian.com
639683;1398327328;wywialm;good morning, Naphex
639684;1398327336;mircea_popescu;A court has rejected a 60-year-old man's attempt to invoke the ancient right to trial by combat, rather than pay a £25 fine for a minor motoring offence.
639685;1398327336;mircea_popescu;Leon Humphreys remained adamant yesterday that his right to fight a champion nominated by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) was still valid under European human rights legislation. He said it would have been a "reasonable" way to settle the matter.
639686;1398327337;mircea_popescu;nice.
639687;1398327340;moiety;i don't think they were planning dropping off manuls
639688;1398327360;mircea_popescu;they were probably planning to show the raf it sucks.
639689;1398327422;moiety;probably. the base mentioned, Leuchars, is closing too
639690;1398327701;moiety;what happened with the max keiser fight night thing
639691;1398327774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9043 @ 0.00095074 = 8.5975 BTC [-] {2} 
639692;1398327853;mircea_popescu;anyway, i don;t think the SOPS appreciate the seriousness of the problem. once people are actually willing to fight anyone you fucking name, to the death, your days are quite numbered.
639693;1398327866;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ etc,
639694;1398327867;ozbot;The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
639695;1398327957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06778263 = 0.1356 BTC [+] {2} 
639696;1398327987;Naphex;;;ident
639697;1398327987;gribble;Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu
639698;1398328201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00095614 = 16.5412 BTC [+] {2} 
639699;1398328627;mircea_popescu;Naphex cool.
639700;1398328861;mircea_popescu;Naphex email.
639701;1398329412;mircea_popescu;!up CheckDavid
639702;1398329412;assbot;Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
639703;1398329420;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid
639704;1398329421;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CheckDavid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheckDavid | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 12:52:24 2014
639705;1398329463;CheckDavid;How does it work here now mircea_popescu ?
639706;1398329515;fluffypony;CheckDavid: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
639707;1398329521;mircea_popescu;^
639708;1398329542;CheckDavid;Why not on the topic?
639709;1398329586;mircea_popescu;possibly because we prefer people ask
639710;1398329593;mircea_popescu;otherwise because it was never considered
639711;1398329599;CheckDavid;I see.
639712;1398329609;CheckDavid;Glad I asked then.
639713;1398329631;CheckDavid;I have 0 trust :(
639714;1398329665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00095232 = 3.714 BTC [-]
639715;1398329686;mircea_popescu;you gotta get in the trustlist of someone assbot trusts
639716;1398329802;CheckDavid;I am not doing much business in here or even trading a single satoshi around
639717;1398329814;CheckDavid;So I don't know much ways on how to do that with begging
639718;1398329821;CheckDavid;Without
639719;1398329852;mircea_popescu;the idea is that if you don't trade you prolly don't need voice.
639720;1398329862;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/ < that's the philosophy involved.
639721;1398329862;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
639722;1398329921;CheckDavid;Actually I'm doing business
639723;1398329921;fluffypony;CheckDavid: go do some trades in -otc then? always good to have some historical ratings on the WoT
639724;1398329934;CheckDavid;I will ask around for that
639725;1398329940;fluffypony;there ya go :)
639726;1398329961;CheckDavid;Such a hassle to authenticate with gribble on a mobile device
639727;1398329975;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid if you're doing business, then you're definitely doing business with someone here at some point, or with someone they know.
639728;1398329980;mircea_popescu;a 1 isn't so hard to get historically.
639729;1398330010;CheckDavid;I see. I will get it
639730;1398330058;mircea_popescu;i suspect the reason why good crypto is a hassle on smartphones is exactly what one'd expect.
639731;1398330113;CheckDavid;How do you map a reason to an expectation?
639732;1398330128;CheckDavid;Your English is too advanced for me
639733;1398330130;CheckDavid;lol
639734;1398330157;mircea_popescu;ie, that it's not accidental, but deliberate, as part of a broader govt sponsored industry agreement to keep mobiles weak cryptographically
639735;1398330178;fluffypony;goes back to the NSA convo from yesterday
639736;1398330184;CheckDavid;Oh. NSA kinda stuff then rifht,?
639737;1398330226;CheckDavid;I see
639738;1398330261;mircea_popescu;as teh observation goes, all nsa successes to date are social engineering, not mathematical.
639739;1398330283;mircea_popescu;even if bounce would like us to believe they;'re smart, the record is actulaly that they're devious instead.
639740;1398330330;chetty;doesn't gubermint and devious mean the same thing?
639741;1398330330;CheckDavid;Who needs to be smart when you can fool a genius?
639742;1398330332;CheckDavid;Lol
639743;1398330341;mircea_popescu;http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/23/unique-ax-uses-physics-to-make-wood-chopping-smarter-not-harder/
639744;1398330341;ozbot;Unique Ax Uses Physics to Make Wood Chopping Smarter, Not Harder | TheBlaze.com
639745;1398330343;mircea_popescu;check this shit out
639746;1398330359;mircea_popescu;that's the best looking fucking axe i've ever seen
639747;1398330637;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: bunch of coolness in there
639748;1398330649;mircea_popescu;:p
639749;1398330681;CheckDavid;I was sent a proposal to represent a business in acquiring projects for them on a commission based rewards schedule.
639750;1398330695;CheckDavid;It's startup in the it industry
639751;1398330736;davout;mircea_popescu: i recall visiting some old farm, and being shown tools that looked rudimentary, but were in fact perfectly balances as to minimize the strain on the farmer
639752;1398330743;CheckDavid;But confused me is how the commissions are based on the profit, and not on the sales volume or revenue
639753;1398330746;davout;s/balances/balanced/
639754;1398330753;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid hm ?
639755;1398330756;mircea_popescu;davout indeed.
639756;1398330789;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: the proposed commissions on the draft are based on profit
639757;1398330801;CheckDavid;Like. X% of the profit generated from my sale
639758;1398330814;CheckDavid;I have never seen this
639759;1398330863;punkman;that axe looks like it might be awkward when chopping horizontally
639760;1398330926;chetty;sounds like a bad deal CheckDavid , company can just spend whatever of ads and exec salaries and you get squat
639761;1398330953;CheckDavid;I know chetty . that's why I found it weird
639762;1398330979;CheckDavid;Dissimulating profits is a pretty  straightforward process
639763;1398331000;fluffypony;CheckDavid: based on gross profit or net profit?
639764;1398331008;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1794160/
639765;1398331023;CheckDavid;It just says profit in the draft
639766;1398331025;mircea_popescu;punkman definitely. seems vertical.
639767;1398331028;CheckDavid;But it's just a draft
639768;1398331028;fluffypony;I mean, I can understand if there's a fixed CoS and they're calling (CoS - Sales) "profit"
639769;1398331035;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid i dunno what this is about ?!
639770;1398331082;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: just a contract for sales rep that sets commissions to be based on profit instead of sales volume
639771;1398331099;CheckDavid;I was just wondering if this is normal
639772;1398331119;CheckDavid;Because I have never seen this kind of arrangement before
639773;1398331190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00095239 = 9.1906 BTC [+]
639774;1398331216;mircea_popescu;well... profit and sales volume correlate
639775;1398331225;mircea_popescu;so i guess it's just an arbitrary different comission %
639776;1398331246;mircea_popescu;item sells for 10k, profit is 1k, make 1% of net sales or 10% of net profit, same deal, you make 100 bux per item
639777;1398331256;mircea_popescu;!up CheckDavid
639778;1398331256;assbot;Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
639779;1398331256;fluffypony;CheckDavid: there is actually some precedent - I have a very good friend who moved here from Sweden to sell industrial cleaning equipment/supplies. he knows the cost of the product, and dependent on the size of the sale he can offer a discount to the client. his comm is based on the "profit" in that it's (sales - cost of sales), so he won't offer a discount on small sales but might determine it worthwhile reducing his comm on a larger sale
639780;1398331337;mircea_popescu;yeah it's kinda how large deals work. industrial equipment is a perfect example.
639781;1398331352;mircea_popescu;rarely used in consumer/retail
639782;1398331390;mircea_popescu;anywya, if you're working for a start-up you want either equity or a salary.
639783;1398331392;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: yes. But it's for IT contracts. All contracts are different and have different details
639784;1398331410;mircea_popescu;in NO case do you work for a startup on a comission basis wtf is this, the land of where they get shit for free ?
639785;1398331442;CheckDavid;I see fluffypony . actually make sense
639786;1398331476;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: really? I don't see why not
639787;1398331482;CheckDavid;It's sales after all
639788;1398331495;mircea_popescu;nope.
639789;1398331507;mircea_popescu;it's building their equity. either they pay for it or you get a share of it.
639790;1398331530;CheckDavid;I see.
639791;1398331535;CheckDavid;Well.
639792;1398331555;CheckDavid;The contacts I generate are supposed to generate life time commissions
639793;1398331563;mircea_popescu;so this is why you get equity
639794;1398331570;mircea_popescu;so that they DO generate lifetime comissions.
639795;1398331581;CheckDavid;Interesting point
639796;1398331601;fluffypony;yeah
639797;1398331605;mircea_popescu;people either mean what they say or they lie to you.
639798;1398331614;mircea_popescu;always very easy to find out which. just, need a little experience in business.
639799;1398331623;fluffypony;otherwise after a year or two the company can "fold" and reopen to service all the old clients, cutting you out the loop
639800;1398331636;mircea_popescu;"can". heh.
639801;1398331646;CheckDavid;I see.
639802;1398331670;CheckDavid;Though I was thinking about starting collaboration in a more informal manner.
639803;1398331688;mircea_popescu;informal only works if you're either part of the core or part of a group that can squish them.
639804;1398331691;fluffypony;there was a rental agency that had this awesome comm structure - find a tenant and you get half of their management fee for the lifetime of the tenant (they charge ~10% of the rent as a management fee)
639805;1398331702;mircea_popescu;that's why founderds deals work informally, and VCs deals not so much.
639806;1398331717;CheckDavid;I see.
639807;1398331731;CheckDavid;I am sure that works for you.
639808;1398331741;CheckDavid;But maybe I'm not in your position
639809;1398331759;CheckDavid;A position of experience and financial success
639810;1398331763;fluffypony;they exploded, dominated the scene as everyone referred their friends and all the home owners wanted tenants through them
639811;1398331764;fluffypony;fast forward 2 years and they "go bankrupt" and this new crowd that registered a business like a month ago "buys" all their existing contracts and databases and everything for $100 or something stupid
639812;1398331764;CheckDavid;For lack of better words
639813;1398331795;mircea_popescu;fluffypony happens all the damned time. i know like... two lawyers that ever successfully litigated the sort of shit
639814;1398331798;mircea_popescu;one of them's smoking hot too.
639815;1398331849;fluffypony;someone eventually connects that the new company is owned by the other guy's brother-in-law...cue shitstorm of epic proportions, but they got away with it because laws.
639816;1398331909;CheckDavid;I see
639817;1398331922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1002 @ 0.00095239 = 0.9543 BTC [+]
639818;1398331925;CheckDavid;I gotta hustle though
639819;1398331956;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid jus' sayin'. in the end you do what you gotta do, but always better if you know the score than if you don't.
639820;1398331995;CheckDavid;The score? Isnt that only known in the end of the game?
639821;1398332014;CheckDavid;I thought you were still telling me the rules of the game.
639822;1398332035;CheckDavid;Haha. My total lack of knowledge of these expressions.
639823;1398332048;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yeah, but I think the legal framework in the EU in general is more mature...ZA law is Dutch-Roman with some British influence, but there's lots of stuff that has only come about more recently (eg. modern regulation of securities only happened with the Securities Services Act of 2004)
639824;1398332216;mircea_popescu;anyone seen gloria ?
639825;1398332302;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's a great film.
639826;1398332349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00095232 = 0.9999 BTC [-]
639827;1398332416;mircea_popescu;!up toddf
639828;1398332416;assbot;Voicing toddf for 30 minutes.
639829;1398332419;mircea_popescu;!up LeMarkz
639830;1398332420;assbot;Voicing LeMarkz for 30 minutes.
639831;1398332476;mircea_popescu;http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/g/gloria-script-transcript-gena-rowlands.html
639832;1398332476;ozbot;Gloria
639833;1398332492;mircea_popescu;"Fuck! He don't know the score. He sees a dame like you and a guy like me. He don't know."
639834;1398332513;mircea_popescu;said by a 6 yo puerto rican kid on the lam to a 50 yo retired blonde prostitute.
639835;1398332530;toddf;so am i in a void or is any news or chatter about picostocks.com just nonexistent? ;-)
639836;1398332576;mircea_popescu;;;google picostocks site:log.bitcoin-assets.com
639837;1398332577;gribble;NEXT: 06-10-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2013&bots=true>; NEXT: 11-06-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2013&bots=true>; NEXT: 30-11-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-11-2013&bots=true>
639838;1398332671;toddf;ok so even here, chatter about picostocks is .. dated
639839;1398332728;jurov;http://www.xbiz.com/news/178172 orly
639840;1398332733;ozbot;Chase Bank Slams the Door on More Porn Stars - XBIZ.com
639841;1398332798;mircea_popescu;toddf it's a scam. forget about it already, move on.
639842;1398332828;toddf;mircea_popescu: picostocks + cointerra sure
639843;1398332852;toddf;I've put some money in, and have already returned my investment plus, keeps on truckin, so .. 100th at least seems not to be a scam to me
639844;1398332879;toddf;there are clearly bot based traders present, but how is that new vs other exchanges
639845;1398332885;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/picostocks-100th-s-bitcoin-mine-100th.82106/#msg1495160
639846;1398332886;ozbot;[PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] | Bitcointa.lk
639847;1398332898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06778368 = 0.3389 BTC [+]
639848;1398332905;mircea_popescu;this is a poor argument. if you read the logs you'll see you're by no means singular in making that error.
639849;1398332958;toddf;yes I've followed the thread, same content as on bitcointalk.org
639850;1398332985;mircea_popescu;yeah, it's the forum of record
639851;1398332989;toddf;so "I made money, just curious to talk to others who are also there" is a bad argument?
639852;1398332995;cazalla;toddf: shamefur dispray
639853;1398332997;mircea_popescu;(keeps everything, including the posts scamtalk.org mods try to hide)
639854;1398333005;mircea_popescu;toddf it is, yes.
639855;1398333038;mircea_popescu;it's an exact restatement of "driving faster than i can handle the car while drunk is safe, because i got home alright"
639856;1398333053;mircea_popescu;you will get fucked one day, and that day you will lose more than all your aggregate gains.
639857;1398333066;mircea_popescu;ask jurov, ask bugpowder, ask duffer ask what, dozens of people.
639858;1398333111;mircea_popescu;every single pirate investor "made money". until they didn't.
639859;1398333116;toddf;hmm, guess I'll focus on refining my btc-e.com trading bot
639860;1398333132;mircea_popescu;rithm is not voiced, so he can't say anything about thatg :D
639861;1398333203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06779999 = 0.339 BTC [+]
639862;1398333237;toddf;if ppl not voiced wanna privchat me about picostocks fine. so .. I'll ensure I have net positive out and consinder continued income non reliable .. *shrug*.
639863;1398333264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06779999 = 0.678 BTC [+] {2} 
639864;1398333304;jurov;http://www.coindesk.com/jeff-garzik-announces-partnership-launch-bitcoin-satellites-space/
639865;1398333313;jurov;blockchain bombardment from orbit
639866;1398333329;toddf;yeah, that was interesting news when i first read about it
639867;1398333355;toddf;akin to broadcasting usenet news from orbit
639868;1398333385;toddf;wonder when someone will skip the expense and simply start broadcasting bitcoin blocks via usenet .. which then can come to you .. from orbit ..
639869;1398333427;toddf;'course not the nifty easy receiver mobile device and all that but hey, multiple paths mean more resiliancy right?
639870;1398333447;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0678 = 0.5424 BTC [+]
639871;1398333630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00095232 = 4.9521 BTC [-]
639872;1398334301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6394 @ 0.00095257 = 6.0907 BTC [+] {3} 
639873;1398334708;mircea_popescu;jurov twas here yest :D
639874;1398336222;Naphex;rainy day
639875;1398336223;Naphex;;/
639876;1398336243;jurov;hm, that's like 1000 lines ago
639877;1398336253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00095232 = 3.476 BTC [-]
639878;1398337115;mircea_popescu;;;seen ThickAsThieves
639879;1398337115;gribble;ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 58 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> fukn ponzi
639880;1398337195;mircea_popescu;;;seen dooglus
639881;1398337196;gribble;dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 8 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <dooglus> seen mircea_popescu?
639882;1398337778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9096 @ 0.00095091 = 8.6495 BTC [-] {2} 
639883;1398338266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9054 @ 0.00095325 = 8.6307 BTC [+]
639884;1398338388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0009556 = 5.3514 BTC [+]
639885;1398338423;ThickAsThieves;good morn
639886;1398338536;ThickAsThieves;so the neo software guys responded, you'll like this
639887;1398338549;Anduck;neo as?
639888;1398338558;fluffypony;Neo&Bee
639889;1398338564;Anduck;what he responded?
639890;1398338565;ThickAsThieves;read the logs
639891;1398338567;fluffypony;the (former) software devs are still figuring things out
639892;1398338570;Anduck;ThickAsThieves: no
639893;1398338574;fluffypony;and ThickAsThieves asked them to come here and chat to us
639894;1398338580;Anduck;will they come?
639895;1398338591;Anduck;is there a good summary of that whole neo bee casE?
639896;1398338595;ThickAsThieves;...
639897;1398338596;fluffypony;let's find out...back to you in the studio, ThickAsThieves
639898;1398338599;Anduck;sorry
639899;1398338610;Anduck;they give + to people with no news knowledge
639900;1398338612;Anduck;x
639901;1398338613;Anduck;D
639902;1398338619;fluffypony;Anduck: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/
639903;1398338620;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust anduck
639904;1398338621;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask Anduck!~anduck@unaffiliated/anduck. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=anduck | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=anduck | Rated since: Tue May  8 11:28:43 2012
639905;1398338621;fluffypony;goot starting point
639906;1398338624;fluffypony;*good
639907;1398338645;Anduck;ok
639908;1398338694;Anduck;!up only
639909;1398338694;assbot;Voicing only for 30 minutes.
639910;1398338698;Anduck;buwahhahahahw
639911;1398338704;ThickAsThieves;anduck. what i am referring to has absolutely nothing to do with revelations about what happened to make Neo fall
639912;1398338710;Anduck;alright
639913;1398338745;ThickAsThieves;for the most part, that situation is now up to Danny and the authorities
639914;1398338760;ThickAsThieves;"HI John,
639915;1398338760;ThickAsThieves;thank you very much for your input and for pointing our a direction! It most certainly helps.
639916;1398338761;ThickAsThieves;We will approach #bitcoin-assets and see how it goes.
639917;1398338761;ThickAsThieves;We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted.
639918;1398338761;ThickAsThieves;Thanks much!
639919;1398338761;ThickAsThieves;Michalis"
639920;1398338783;fluffypony;l
639921;1398338783;fluffypony;o
639922;1398338784;fluffypony;l
639923;1398338786;Anduck;btw
639924;1398338794;Anduck;tldr neo bee CEO ran with coins, all others are innocent?
639925;1398338824;ThickAsThieves;you could really benefit from understanding the world around you in its true form
639926;1398338832;ThickAsThieves;rather than converting everything into a summary
639927;1398338836;Anduck;true
639928;1398338840;Anduck;but i am leaving in 2 mins
639929;1398338844;Anduck;no time to read big papers
639930;1398338844;ThickAsThieves;it can wait
639931;1398338848;Anduck;true
639932;1398338923;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/24/5646554/andy-warhols-lost-amiga-computer-art-photo-essay
639933;1398338924;ozbot;Andy Warhol's Amiga computer art found 30 years later | The Verge
639934;1398338940;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you have a mpex acct right ?
639935;1398338944;ThickAsThieves;yes
639936;1398338948;Anduck;lol
639937;1398338962;mircea_popescu;ok i got a business proposition for you
639938;1398338971;ThickAsThieves;shoot
639939;1398339005;ThickAsThieves;did you know that Amiga pixels were rectangles, not squares
639940;1398339007;mircea_popescu;it goes like this : the s.mpif is going to be reporting its assets monthly. meanwhile it will probably trade. there should be a mechanism to buy/sell shares to ensure the market stays liquid and more or less alligned to net value. so what i want to do is :
639941;1398339031;mircea_popescu;ima make you a s.mpif manager, give you 50 BTC , your job is to try and make a profit trading s.mpif of mpex.
639942;1398339042;mircea_popescu;you get a 10% cut of the results, report your trades monthly.
639943;1398339060;mircea_popescu;this is also good because it gives some anchor to the fund
639944;1398339073;mircea_popescu;(it's roughjly the equivalent of a normal ib liquidity clause)
639945;1398339093;ThickAsThieves;i will have some questions, probly in private
639946;1398339098;ThickAsThieves;been awake 10min also
639947;1398339103;mircea_popescu;take your time.
639948;1398339111;ThickAsThieves;thanks
639949;1398339114;mircea_popescu;kinda planning to announce the management rooster today, you'd be the 5th.
639950;1398339125;Anduck;what is mpif?
639951;1398339135;Anduck;mircea popescus investment fund i assume
639952;1398339139;mircea_popescu;Anduck tsk tsk not reading teh logs are we
639953;1398339145;fluffypony;Anduck: http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/
639954;1398339149;Anduck;i never read logs if i am not hilighted
639955;1398339170;fluffypony;kakobrekla: can you make assbot ping Anduck every day at a random time? :-P
639956;1398339170;ThickAsThieves;well, quit leaning on us to fill in your brain holes!
639957;1398339173;mircea_popescu;!down Anduck
639958;1398339173;assbot;mircea_popescu, you can't do that to Anduck.
639959;1398339177;mircea_popescu;tsk.
639960;1398339185;Anduck;mircea_popescu: haha
639961;1398339188;Anduck;off i go
639962;1398339189;Anduck;-<
639963;1398339189;mircea_popescu;you get the point.
639964;1398339284;davout;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135181.msg6366978#msg6366978 <<< lmao
639965;1398339285;ozbot;MagicalTux?
639966;1398339295;ThickAsThieves;mp you see my quoted email from Neo software guys?
639967;1398339309;ThickAsThieves;it's like a dream
639968;1398339314;mircea_popescu;i didnt get to lulz yet, still working on you know, actual things :D
639969;1398339323;ThickAsThieves;word
639970;1398339364;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.0009556 = 2.2457 BTC [+]
639971;1398339392;fluffypony;davout: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2134
639972;1398339396;fluffypony;"No one will ever beat this guy's record."
639973;1398339397;fluffypony;lawl
639974;1398339457;davout;;;gettrust MagicalTux
639975;1398339457;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user davout to user MagicalTux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -7 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=MagicalTux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MagicalTux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
639976;1398339485;davout;;;rate MagicalTux -10
639977;1398339486;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded.
639978;1398339503;davout;;;rate mtgox -10
639979;1398339504;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user mtgox has been recorded.
639980;1398339517;davout;now back to more productive endeavours
639981;1398339540;mircea_popescu;;;rated magicaltux
639982;1398339541;gribble;You have not yet rated user magicaltux
639983;1398339543;mircea_popescu;heh.
639984;1398339563;mircea_popescu;;;rate magicaltux -1 Overly large fuckwit.
639985;1398339565;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user magicaltux has been recorded.
639986;1398339568;davout;;;rated jgarzik
639987;1398339568;gribble;You have not yet rated user jgarzik
639988;1398339576;davout;;;gettrust jgarzik
639989;1398339576;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user davout to user jgarzik: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=jgarzik | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jgarzik | Rated since: Mon Nov  8 13:35:30 2010
639990;1398339578;ThickAsThieves;;;rate MagicalTux -10 took all my lulz away
639991;1398339579;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
639992;1398339586;fluffypony;lol - "If gox is solvent I'll buy you a Frappucino"
639993;1398339590;ThickAsThieves;weird
639994;1398339593;ThickAsThieves;i never logged out
639995;1398339598;ThickAsThieves;gribble blinked?
639996;1398339604;ThickAsThieves;i still haz voice tho
639997;1398339605;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: was offline for a bit
639998;1398339610;ThickAsThieves;hax
639999;1398339612;davout;;;rate jgarzik 3 dem satellites
640000;1398339613;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user jgarzik has been recorded.
640001;1398339634;davout;;;rate jgarzik 3 dem satellites, dat bounty
640002;1398339635;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jgarzik has changed from 3 to 3.
640003;1398339652;davout;;;gettrust ladybytes
640004;1398339652;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user davout to user ladybytes: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=ladybytes | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ladybytes | Rated since: never
640005;1398339654;mircea_popescu;Al Gore asserted that it’s crucial for global philanthropists to impose “fertility management” on Africa.
640006;1398339663;mircea_popescu;if you like your big penis you can keep your big penis.
640007;1398339739;asciilifeform;snippetysnip
640008;1398339783;davout;;;rate justmoon 1 met IRL, nice guy
640009;1398339784;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user justmoon has been recorded.
640010;1398339805;fluffypony;looking at the new TLDs that are available...I can get rs.guru
640011;1398339806;fluffypony;lawl
640012;1398339847;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: mp.ceo is still available
640013;1398339869;mircea_popescu;i couldn't care less tbh
640014;1398339923;davout;;;rate molecular 1 met IRL, nice guy
640015;1398339924;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user molecular has been recorded.
640016;1398339958;ThickAsThieves;ceo is a domain tld?
640017;1398339974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00095222 = 9.3318 BTC [-] {2} 
640018;1398339994;asciilifeform;do we get a '.wtf' ?
640019;1398340015;ThickAsThieves;or .dotdot
640020;1398340084;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: yerp
640021;1398340151;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: you can get tat.ventures
640022;1398340175;fluffypony;.enterprises is also available
640023;1398340175;ozbot;-.-
640024;1398340175;ozbot;-.-
640025;1398340175;ozbot;earn currently unavailable
640026;1398340184;fluffypony;ozbot: I think I confused you
640027;1398340215;*;jurov runs for jurov.vermögensberatung
640028;1398340218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.52695644 = 4.7426 BTC [+] {5} 
640029;1398340237;*;fluffypony asks his wife for a translation
640030;1398340246;fluffypony;wealth consultant?
640031;1398340265;jurov;in practice just salesman of "life insurance"
640032;1398340279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199 = 0.16 BTC [-]
640033;1398340282;fluffypony;ah ok
640034;1398340340;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04150006 = 0.1245 BTC [-] {3} 
640035;1398340399;mircea_popescu;blutjunge.verführerinnen ftw
640036;1398340401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.031988 = 0.128 BTC [-]
640037;1398340419;mircea_popescu;jurov i love how english berating and german beratung are cognates.
640038;1398340428;asciilifeform;lol!
640039;1398340453;mircea_popescu;consultancy, in the germanz view, is "omfg you are so stupid i can not even believe how stupid you are"
640040;1398340584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04111429 = 0.2878 BTC [-] {2} 
640041;1398341064;thestringpuller;kakobrekla: what kind of bot is assbot?
640042;1398341086;ThickAsThieves;a kind one
640043;1398341094;thestringpuller;>:( unlike ThickAsThieves
640044;1398341119;asciilifeform;'tis a machine that threads arses. thought this was clear.
640045;1398341282;mircea_popescu;supybot i thought
640046;1398341386;asciilifeform;https://web.archive.org/web/20050309210742/http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/users/adrianth/ices96/paper.html
640047;1398341387;ozbot;#tex2html_wrap430#
640048;1398341392;asciilifeform;^ promised this to people at the conference
640049;1398341400;kakobrekla;its not supy
640050;1398341415;kakobrekla;i made it so its not anything
640051;1398341491;kakobrekla;it was coded way before -assets tbh, then repurchased
640052;1398341494;kakobrekla;eh
640053;1398341500;kakobrekla;autofail
640054;1398341518;kakobrekla;repurposed
640055;1398341550;kakobrekla;interestingly it tries to fix the correct word.
640056;1398341559;asciilifeform;phun phact. you can't buy a XC6216 now - for love or money.
640057;1398341574;kakobrekla;anyway im off for a couple of hrs. later
640058;1398341630;asciilifeform;(XC6216 was the one and only known fpga where random wiring was guaranteed -never- to release the magic smoke.)
640059;1398341750;asciilifeform;it was also the only xilinx chip with 100% documented internals.
640060;1398341890;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/ << updated, lots of stuff. including teh managers/pcs etc.
640061;1398341891;ozbot;The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
640062;1398341926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 461 @ 0.00095439 = 0.44 BTC [+]
640063;1398342275;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: crew man #5 (TaT) sort of reminds me of my first exposure to MPEx.
640064;1398342316;mircea_popescu;how so ?
640065;1398342330;asciilifeform;well, it was 'here, try to make profit, do what you like'
640066;1398342339;mircea_popescu;hehe
640067;1398342352;asciilifeform;'here's a chaingun, kid, have fun'
640068;1398342362;mircea_popescu;it's how you treat kids you'd like to see grow up into people.
640069;1398342535;asciilifeform;i assume all five fronts are manually-driven, like soviet nuke subs ?
640070;1398342536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00095197 = 3.6651 BTC [-]
640071;1398342699;chetty;http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/EYUaXpcFAArImWCAnJ5nPg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTY4MTtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz05NjA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2014-04-24T111324Z_1272560593_GM1EA4O15BV01_RTRMADP_3_JAPAN-USA-OBAMA.JPG
640072;1398342773;asciilifeform;chetty: lol, mein Führer is permitted near a robot ?!
640073;1398342818;davout;mircea_popescu: mazeltov for S.MPIF !
640074;1398342957;chetty;asciilifeform, he is bowing to it
640075;1398342984;asciilifeform;chetty: good time for a tragic 'bug', i'd say.
640076;1398342993;chetty;awww
640077;1398343069;mircea_popescu;davout :D
640078;1398343079;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, which is why they have their own managers
640079;1398343083;asciilifeform;in his place, i'd avoid standing next to programmable hydraulics.
640080;1398343149;jurov;did obama try google car yet?
640081;1398343149;chetty;asciilifeform, nah he has best insurance policy - its called Biden
640082;1398343156;asciilifeform;lol
640083;1398343236;asciilifeform;http://cs320531.vk.me/v320531523/742f/5YlAkJjGgaA.jpg
640084;1398343246;mircea_popescu;benkay sure. a lot of excellent application for homomorphisms in crypto, many of them empowered/exposed by bitcoin
640085;1398343252;mircea_popescu;and the subsequent developments in finance.
640086;1398343269;asciilifeform;homomorph? what'd i miss in the log?
640087;1398343271;asciilifeform;damn
640088;1398343405;asciilifeform;benkay: "homomorphic or semi-homomorphic" encryption, where 3 parties each control << this is an entire science. see, for instance, Pascal Paillier's boojum.
640089;1398343572;mircea_popescu;whoa http://www.sogou.com/
640090;1398343579;mircea_popescu;apparently i'm huge in china
640091;1398343634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00455081 = 0.3732 BTC [-] {3} 
640092;1398343695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00451371 = 0.1535 BTC [-]
640093;1398344013;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2014#639568 <<< funny how fucking wrong he were :D
640094;1398344016;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
640095;1398344039;mircea_popescu;i mean... not a single correct one at all. 0. zilch. nada.
640096;1398344042;mircea_popescu;"i will take my prize in atc" the man says.
640097;1398344112;asciilifeform;now toast to the five sappers. may they never err.
640098;1398344175;mircea_popescu;centanni
640099;1398344323;Naphex;woot. new servers got here :D
640100;1398344333;Naphex;time to do some benchs
640101;1398344397;Naphex;2xE5-2640v2 - 4x8GB(RECC) - 8x256GB(SAM/SSD) - LSI9271-8i 2RU :D
640102;1398344444;fluffypony;nice
640103;1398344464;asciilifeform;;;later tell kakobrekla pcb folks? do they also pick'n'place, SMT?
640104;1398344464;gribble;The operation succeeded.
640105;1398344476;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: how bout a toast to true capitalism?
640106;1398344576;Naphex;2xE5-2620v2 - 4x8GB(RECC) - 2x600GB(ST/SAS) - LSi9260-4i 1RU
640107;1398344579;Naphex;for the smallies
640108;1398344579;Naphex;:D
640109;1398344681;mircea_popescu;chetty https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl_IjnqCUAELlUW.png
640110;1398344704;Naphex;haha
640111;1398344771;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl_B5p6CcAAEBhd.png
640112;1398344773;mircea_popescu;this dude
640113;1398344815;mircea_popescu;why is he not in the wot is what i wanna know. clearly he's seeking the approval of the people that make the world turn
640114;1398344824;Naphex;http://gfycat.com/ElderlyAptCorydorascatfish - i loled hard :))
640115;1398344824;ozbot;You got goxed - Gfycat
640116;1398344841;mircea_popescu;hey, DRKP or KDPR or DERP or wtf it's called secret services : drop the man a memo wtf.
640117;1398344915;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52194701 = 1.0439 BTC [-] {2} 
640118;1398344926;fluffypony;;;rate kimjongun 1 our glorious leader
640119;1398344926;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
640120;1398344929;fluffypony;:(
640121;1398344958;asciilifeform;if the kid can sign up for 'warcraft', why not wot ?
640122;1398345015;mircea_popescu;cause the idjits at his ss ain't doin' their job.
640123;1398345031;mircea_popescu;you hear me ? put down the white powder and get to work, pancakefaces!
640124;1398345045;fluffypony;pankkakefaces?
640125;1398345055;mircea_popescu;well they're not french
640126;1398345107;mircea_popescu;"1 in 7 crimes committed in New York City now involves an Apple product being stolen."
640127;1398345118;mircea_popescu;APPLE TO BE BANNED BY USG
640128;1398345445;davout;betar ban ny
640129;1398345563;HeySteve;looks like some gox coins went into maidsafe
640130;1398345573;HeySteve;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.msg6370852#msg6370852
640131;1398345623;HeySteve;how you guys all doing today?
640132;1398346071;fluffypony;well, it it's good enough for Karpeles, it's good enough for me
640133;1398346083;*;fluffypony invests all his ATC in MaidSafe
640134;1398346184;Luke-Jr;[13:11:59] <mircea_popescu> APPLE TO BE BANNED BY USG <-- please!
640135;1398346223;asciilifeform;s/banned/mandatory
640136;1398346318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00095084 = 3.2329 BTC [-]
640137;1398346573;hanbot;;;rate asciilifeform 1 Valiant soldier of solder.
640138;1398346574;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.
640139;1398346574;fluffypony;Naphex: opinion on Voxility srl?
640140;1398346587;chetty;http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.111.033601
640141;1398346589;ozbot;Phys. Rev. Lett. 111, 033601 (2013) - Stopped Light and Image Storage by Electromagnetically Induced
640142;1398346629;asciilifeform;chetty: next thing we know, we're using delay-line storage again.
640143;1398346642;asciilifeform;and it's 1958 again.
640144;1398346757;chetty;asciilifeform, sometimes I think that would be an improvement
640145;1398346762;Naphex;fluffypony: never used them. but i'n genereal i wouldn't run bitcoin services on anything else then dedicated owned servers :P
640146;1398346811;fluffypony;Naphex: I'm not, just a friend using them for his ownCloud data (1gbps colocated box)
640147;1398346885;asciilifeform;;;rate hanbot 1 had the honour of meeting this user in person.
640148;1398346886;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded.
640149;1398346934;Naphex;i'm not a fan of the cloud
640150;1398346963;Naphex;i still prefer having my own serves(bought hardware), coloc'd at industrial datacenters
640151;1398346969;Naphex;where you get an account manager that you know
640152;1398346970;Naphex;:P
640153;1398346994;fluffypony;Naphex: http://owncloud.org - it's just a FOSS implementation of a Google Drive/DropBox style service, so you have to host your own server to run it
640154;1398347025;asciilifeform;that's like building a replica of public toilet in your house.
640155;1398347035;asciilifeform;sure, you can... but why
640156;1398347050;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
640157;1398347066;fluffypony;asciilifeform: if you're a company that doesn't want to trust your data to DropBox for sensitivity reasons, but still need to have similar functionality, it's great
640158;1398347092;fluffypony;not talking about über-paranoid data, but spreadsheets and docs and the like
640159;1398347187;asciilifeform;if you're inside friendly walls, even 'nfs' ought to suffice
640160;1398347207;hanbot;;;rate davout 1 Delivered a worthy smackdown.
640161;1398347209;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.
640162;1398347212;Naphex;off home. later
640163;1398347230;hanbot;;;rate mike_c 1 Steel will, neat skills.
640164;1398347231;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mike_c has been recorded.
640165;1398347263;fluffypony;asciilifeform: agreed, but this is for contractors and staff scattered all over the place; all ownCloud comm is over an https api
640166;1398347294;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
640167;1398347394;fluffypony;the dude looking at the MaidSafe investments: "I've traced back the  BTC Guild admin too. There're big guys involved in this scam."
640168;1398347477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12581 @ 0.00095187 = 11.9755 BTC [+]
640169;1398347501;fluffypony;;;later tell bitcoinpete oh look, surprise surprise, stolen mtgox coins have been invested in MaidSafe - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.msg6370815#msg6370815
640170;1398347502;gribble;The operation succeeded.
640171;1398347596;hanbot;;;rate kakobrekla 1 A reliable bloke who rolls a good fag.
640172;1398347597;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
640173;1398347611;HeySteve;this rickety tincan s'effrican internet can go to the devil
640174;1398347638;HeySteve;learnt to tolerate most of it the time but writing breaking news is not the time for this crap
640175;1398347641;fluffypony;HeySteve: run a bouncer off a VPS or something, then you won't miss anything
640176;1398347673;fluffypony;HeySteve: MTN's fibre-to-the-home stuff is coming later this year
640177;1398347678;HeySteve;well there's the log, but it's that I'm trying to verify the story by searching about the blockchain and forum
640178;1398347679;fluffypony;should be a lot more stable than DSL
640179;1398347689;HeySteve;fluffypony, yeah just heard, praise jebus
640180;1398347721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00095084 = 3.0427 BTC [-]
640181;1398347756;bounce;pfft. some adsl is perfectly stable.
640182;1398347797;fluffypony;bounce: depends on your distance to the MSAN here
640183;1398347810;fluffypony;most of our phone lines are still on wooden poles
640184;1398347822;fluffypony;with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole
640185;1398347879;HeySteve;eh, was just on roof with pole trying to connect to WUG but trees seem to have firmly occluded signals
640186;1398347884;HeySteve;not my year for comms
640187;1398347910;HeySteve;sure I could've got thru that to someone with better net, despite their "T&Cs"
640188;1398348035;HeySteve;http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/breaking-mt-gox-maidsafe-gox-coins-flowing-maidsafe-ipo/2014/04/24
640189;1398348121;fluffypony;HeySteve: you linked to blockchain.info/ru/tags which is russian
640190;1398348231;HeySteve;damn
640191;1398348233;HeySteve;thanks man
640192;1398348264;HeySteve;just saw it was in english
640193;1398348271;asciilifeform;the hell's 'maidsafe'
640194;1398348283;asciilifeform;defence against 'evil maid attack' ?
640195;1398348288;davout;mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume?
640196;1398348291;HeySteve;I ain't 100% sure myself but basically decentralised interwebs
640197;1398348298;HeySteve;a bit like Freenet I think
640198;1398348312;asciilifeform;if like freenet, it needs coin why?
640199;1398348324;HeySteve;seemed nice from the PR I guess? then there was some associated bullshit with Mastercoin pay-ins to get MaidSafe coins - I didn't really follow the story tho
640200;1398348339;HeySteve;so it seems scammy and now Karpeles is jumping in to the scam pool
640201;1398348342;HeySteve;apparently
640202;1398348371;davout;;;rate hanbot 1 delivered a fuckton of worthy smackdowns
640203;1398348372;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded.
640204;1398348490;hanbot;davout oui
640205;1398348514;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00470969 = 0.3485 BTC [+] {2} 
640206;1398348515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00095084 = 4.2788 BTC [-]
640207;1398348520;ThickAsThieves;welcome hanbot!
640208;1398348530;hanbot;why ty
640209;1398348575;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 281 @ 0.00471 = 1.3235 BTC [+]
640210;1398348626;fluffypony;asciilifeform: it's basically exactly like Freenet except for some reason they "need" $3.5 mil to write the software and launch
640211;1398348656;hanbot;;;rate thickasthieves 1 Conscientious reflector.
640212;1398348657;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thickasthieves has been recorded.
640213;1398348722;HeySteve;fluffypony where did you find that quote from the guy looking into Maidsafe?
640214;1398348728;fluffypony;HeySteve: on the thread
640215;1398348733;fluffypony;lemme find it
640216;1398348749;fluffypony;HeySteve: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.msg6372186#msg6372186
640217;1398348906;asciilifeform;;;rate Oleanie 1 live human!
640218;1398348907;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Oleanie has been recorded.
640219;1398349002;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC
640220;1398349032;HeySteve;thanks
640221;1398349246;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
640222;1398349470;hanbot;;;rate jurov 1 A dili-, intelli-, gent.
640223;1398349471;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jurov has been recorded.
640224;1398349504;jurov;you're welcome. coinbr customer or?
640225;1398349523;fluffypony;jurov: [16:04:49]  <+davout> mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume?
640226;1398349537;asciilifeform;yes
640227;1398349550;hanbot;nod
640228;1398349552;jurov;oh :)
640229;1398349562;asciilifeform;fluffypony:  they "need" $3.5 mil << one could build a... submarine. for this
640230;1398349589;bounce;and then you have a submarine. then what?
640231;1398349593;fluffypony;asciilifeform: so going back to your bitcoin-undersea-nodes idea;)
640232;1398349605;asciilifeform;bounce: unterseeminer
640233;1398349613;fluffypony;^^
640234;1398349635;asciilifeform;just example.
640235;1398349636;ThickAsThieves;the pinodecchio would need to be located in places deemed unfishable
640236;1398349638;jurov;how would they broadcast? ultrasound? or they'll automatically seek and tap fiber?
640237;1398349647;asciilifeform;;;google SOFAR
640238;1398349648;gribble;Sofar Sounds: <http://sofarsounds.com/>; SOFAR channel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOFAR_channel>; Eminem - So Far (Lyrics On Screen) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSEXEiY72JA>
640239;1398349667;bounce;maybe cheaper to get a 2nd hand sea platform or something
640240;1398349673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00095187 = 8.8048 BTC [+]
640241;1398349691;asciilifeform;bounce: platform - psh. the whole point is to put them where nosy parkers can't get at them
640242;1398349698;asciilifeform;or, when they do, barometer triggers detonator
640243;1398349761;bounce;parkers? but wouldn't a cold war bunker be cheaper then?
640244;1398349775;asciilifeform;bounce: not if you want 10,000 of them
640245;1398349789;fluffypony;if anyone wants me to put them down as a CoinBr referral...first to give me their invitation code gets it
640246;1398349803;asciilifeform;consider the cost of sailing to just one precisely-specified coordinate pair in the deep sea
640247;1398349826;bounce;that's 3.5e11 dollahs. maybe a little on the spendy side.
640248;1398349861;bounce;oh, 3.5e10, my bad.
640249;1398349863;asciilifeform;point was, if the only object is to put machines in physically-inaccessible places, rather than cover the planet with radio, the sea is a more appropriate place than orbit.
640250;1398349900;bounce;do you need mobility? access?
640251;1398349907;asciilifeform;no mobility
640252;1398349914;asciilifeform;no repair
640253;1398349933;asciilifeform;just ampoules of inconel alloy, straddling the thermocline.
640254;1398349948;asciilifeform;with some very simplish silicon inside.
640255;1398349952;bounce;then concrete caissons might be more appropriate.
640256;1398349963;asciilifeform;1km down?
640257;1398349972;asciilifeform;lol
640258;1398350024;bounce;why not? just thicken them up a bit. perhaps fill with cooling liquid if pressure becomes a problem. no need for air inside.
640259;1398350042;asciilifeform;no need for caissons. plain anchors would suffice.
640260;1398350092;ThickAsThieves;fluffypony Q9gPSuUvYS
640261;1398350097;fluffypony;oh there we go
640262;1398350105;fluffypony;just in time
640263;1398350114;bounce;you're trying to play a numbers game. why the spendy alloys when something stupid like concrete would do?
640264;1398350150;jurov;saltwater breaks down concrete
640265;1398350177;jurov;or at least permeates
640266;1398350197;jurov;you'd like your payload dry, i suppose
640267;1398350378;bounce;plastic liner, perhaps mineral oil instead of air for a filler
640268;1398350402;bounce;entirely underwater appears to be less of a problem than half-submerged
640269;1398350523;bounce;http://www.concreteconstruction.net/concrete-construction/salt-water-concrete.aspx
640270;1398350525;ozbot;Salt-water Concrete - Concrete Construction
640271;1398350710;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03249999 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2} 
640272;1398350771;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0435 = 0.261 BTC [+] {2} 
640273;1398350772;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2} 
640274;1398350833;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]
640275;1398351198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19659 @ 0.00095061 = 18.688 BTC [-] {4} 
640276;1398351259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24041 @ 0.00094938 = 22.824 BTC [-] {2} 
640277;1398351686;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC
640278;1398351728;fluffypony;crumbs, so someone suggested returning the mtgox coins sent to MaidSafe to the sender - so Dan Larimer from BitShares says: "Sending them back to the thief? That makes no sense. They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, or used for development of maidsafe... the only thing that must not happen is the issuance of Safecoin to the thief."
640279;1398351770;fluffypony;meanwhile there are 6 hops between the "mtgox" address and the ScamSafe address, any of which could be an exchange or a tumbler
640280;1398352175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9949 @ 0.00095187 = 9.4702 BTC [+]
640281;1398352418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00094924 = 13.3843 BTC [-] {2} 
640282;1398352418;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.032948 = 0.1977 BTC [+]
640283;1398352479;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
640284;1398352540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0415 = 0.2075 BTC [-]
640285;1398352577;mike_c;kakobrekla feature request: it would be nice to have yes/no bets confirmed/weighted sum in the BB json.  it can be calculated from the bets, so not high priority, but if you're bored :)
640286;1398352601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
640287;1398352667;ThickAsThieves;i have additional request, a "scroll to bottom" button on the log
640288;1398352684;ThickAsThieves;mostly for mobile
640289;1398352685;mike_c;to avoid having to press the 'end' key?
640290;1398352687;mike_c;ah
640291;1398352707;ThickAsThieves;unless there is some magical stroke in android?
640292;1398352714;mike_c;not that i know of
640293;1398352737;jurov;yes, for tables it's nice too. i had to install some obscure threefinger dolphin plugin
640294;1398352749;jurov;for "scroll to end"
640295;1398353294;mike_c;and if you're in there, small bug report:  weight_current is an int, but weight_end is a string.
640296;1398354256;ThickAsThieves;apparently i know a guy that knows a guy here: https://www.atlasats.com/about
640297;1398354259;ThickAsThieves;well,
640298;1398354263;ThickAsThieves;https://www.atlasats.com
640299;1398354276;ThickAsThieves;seems the offer options
640300;1398354278;ThickAsThieves;they
640301;1398354345;mike_c;multi-tiered multi-firewall.  sounds secure!
640302;1398354420;ThickAsThieves;^0^
640303;1398354500;benkay;jurov that porn star bank thing is just unreal
640304;1398354563;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/24/voicemail_still_easy_to_hack/
640305;1398354690;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves
640306;1398354710;fluffypony;those are the guys that are partnering with that "National Stock Exchange" crowd?
640307;1398354723;fluffypony;yes looks like they are
640308;1398354798;benkay;mircea_popescu: regarding the emacs thing, it's just a bit of lisp to make working with gribble and assbot a little more pleasant.
640309;1398355106;benkay;ThickAsThieves re neo hackers, what'd mircea_popescu say? they're looking for incompetent leadership?
640310;1398355298;fluffypony;http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-24/
640311;1398355335;benkay;who is hanbot ?
640312;1398355346;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.55993150 BTC to 7`105 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
640313;1398355346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1170 @ 0.00095187 = 1.1137 BTC [+]
640314;1398355354;benkay;hanbot, who are you?
640315;1398355357;benkay;;;gettrust hanbot
640316;1398355357;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask hanbot!~hanbot@unaffiliated/hanbot. Trust relationship from user benkay to user hanbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=hanbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=hanbot | Rated since: Wed Dec 11 14:42:14 2013
640317;1398355365;asciilifeform;benkay: hanbot aka mpoepr
640318;1398355365;hanbot;benkay MPOE-PR
640319;1398355389;jurov;ThickAsThieves: did you publish the email somewhere?
640320;1398355397;benkay;was hoping. nice to have you.
640321;1398355426;benkay;;;rate hanbot 1
640322;1398355427;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
640323;1398355430;benkay;wat
640324;1398355440;benkay;is there an ident timeout?
640325;1398355450;benkay;;;eauth benkay
640326;1398355451;gribble;Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@2600:4402:c002:3::854:fb5e. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
640327;1398355453;hanbot;benkay cheers
640328;1398355488;benkay;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b6805062a69d88d6bbd941cb26ed5f37f08141da4d583b9f9ce7e73e
640329;1398355489;gribble;You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
640330;1398355494;ThickAsThieves;<+benkay> ThickAsThieves re neo hackers, what'd mircea_popescu say? they're looking for incompetent leadership? /// wow, good call
640331;1398355495;benkay;;;rate hanbot 1
640332;1398355496;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded.
640333;1398355508;benkay;still curious about timeout
640334;1398355527;ThickAsThieves;yes jurov the latest email says: HI John,
640335;1398355528;ThickAsThieves;thank you very much for your input and for pointing our a direction! It most certainly helps.
640336;1398355528;ThickAsThieves;We will approach #bitcoin-assets and see how it goes.
640337;1398355528;ThickAsThieves;We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted.
640338;1398355528;ThickAsThieves;Thanks much!
640339;1398355528;ThickAsThieves;Michalis
640340;1398355538;benkay;;;unrate fluffypony
640341;1398355538;gribble;Error: You have not given this nick a rating previously.
640342;1398355556;benkay;;;unrate mrstickball
640343;1398355557;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for mrstickball.
640344;1398355566;benkay;;;unrate cgcardona_
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640346;1398355582;benkay;;;unrate dignork
640347;1398355584;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for dignork.
640348;1398355612;benkay;;;unrate TestingUnoDosTres
640349;1398355613;gribble;Error: The target nick does not exist in the database.
640350;1398355622;benkay;;;unrate TestingUnoDosTre
640351;1398355623;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for TestingUnoDosTre.
640352;1398355635;benkay;mas bueno.
640353;1398355638;ThickAsThieves;jurov otherwise i'll leave it to them to present a more elaborate document of their plan
640354;1398355737;fluffypony;benkay: mass unrates?
640355;1398355750;ThickAsThieves;looks like rates he gave for +m purposes
640356;1398355782;benkay;<fluffypony> with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << and i thought the romanian internet situation was dire.
640357;1398355808;benkay;fluffypony, ThickAsThieves i'm testing a scarcity hunch
640358;1398355815;benkay;i'll let you know how it goes in a decade.
640359;1398355817;fluffypony;benkay: when the wind blows that piece of wire hits a tree and our Internet drops
640360;1398355822;asciilifeform;benkay: the romanian internet situation was dire << don't know about the rest of Ro, but in Timis. there were fiber bundles as thick as a man's neck, everywhere.
640361;1398355824;fluffypony;and we have reboot the router to reconnect
640362;1398355871;ThickAsThieves;"At ZeroBlock, we encourage all exchanges in the bitcoin community to adopt FIX protocol, if they haven’t already. "
640363;1398355881;ThickAsThieves;mpex better get with teh programz!
640364;1398355883;ThickAsThieves;https://blog.blockchain.com/2014/04/24/zeroblock-release-fix-api/
640365;1398355883;ozbot;Zeroblock Releases FIX API Spec for Bitcoin Trading | Blockchain Blog
640366;1398355949;benkay;asciilifeform: mircea_popescu posted a picture a few months back of the amusing repair job done on the wire into his house/
640367;1398356001;asciilifeform;i think it was a plant of his, rather than house
640368;1398356025;dexX7;;;later tell fluffypony re: "Blockchain.info still have to approve tags based on the reference material" -> http://canibuildasitehandlingotherpeoplesmoney.com/b.html
640369;1398356026;gribble;The operation succeeded.
640370;1398356043;benkay;house, plant. employees, slaves...
640371;1398356049;fluffypony;dexX7: LOL
640372;1398356103;fluffypony;admittedly their approval process isn't much of a process
640373;1398356112;fluffypony;"ctrl+f...ok cool approve"
640374;1398356223;benkay;<ThickAsThieves> unless there is some magical stroke in android? << my android has some magical strokes, ThickAsThieves, but i'm not sharing :D
640375;1398356225;dexX7;hehe yup, something like that
640376;1398356262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25030 @ 0.0009517 = 23.8211 BTC [-] {2} 
640377;1398356279;dexX7;it's pretty much worthless related to verification, e.g. https://blockchain.info/address/1111111111111111111114oLvT2
640378;1398356367;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> s/banned/mandatory << interestingly enough, these two are practically the same thing.
640379;1398356384;asciilifeform;'all which is not forbidden is compulsory'
640380;1398356415;mircea_popescu;Naphex where are you hosting, tesari's magical oradea dc ?
640381;1398356505;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 223 @ 0.00084219 = 0.1878 BTC {2} 
640382;1398356680;Naphex;mircea_popescu: gts telecom
640383;1398356687;Naphex;bucharest
640384;1398356702;Naphex;deficated locked down racks
640385;1398356742;mircea_popescu;<fluffypony> with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << funny, that's how romania does optic fibre.
640386;1398356743;Naphex;highly recommend it
640387;1398356752;benkay;defecated racks?!
640388;1398356755;benkay;now with poop security.
640389;1398356770;asciilifeform;dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << exactly what i have here
640390;1398356771;Naphex;benkay: hehe sorry ben, using phone
640391;1398356780;Naphex;in bed and laizy :)
640392;1398356783;benkay;no apologies necessary.
640393;1398356801;asciilifeform;underground comms - expensive
640394;1398356807;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: FIX is quite an interesting, old (early 90's) protocol that is basically pipe-char separated key-values (key is always numeric and based on a predefined list), and you literally dump the ASCII over a TCP session
640395;1398356813;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: slides - http://www.slideshare.net/aiQUANT/fix-protocol-overview-1697394
640396;1398356819;mircea_popescu;<davout> mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume? < aye
640397;1398356862;Naphex;fix sucks
640398;1398356864;fluffypony;asciilifeform: when we were still in Cape Town it had all been replaced with underground in our area, so it was dangly piece of wire straight into plastic trunking at the curb
640399;1398356871;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> ;;rate Oleanie 1 live human! <<< women aren't human!
640400;1398356879;Naphex;but i wrote a interface for it just in case :p
640401;1398356895;mircea_popescu;<bounce> and then you have a submarine. then what? << then they could hold their breath ? :D
640402;1398356898;fluffypony;Naphex: it's significantly faster for HFT than a RESTful API :)
640403;1398356920;Naphex;for sure
640404;1398356932;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: martian?
640405;1398356949;fluffypony;Naphex: I'm impressed you're ready to support it, you should go tell Blockchain that you're the first in the world to do so :-P
640406;1398356967;fluffypony;Naphex: https://blog.blockchain.com/2014/04/24/zeroblock-release-fix-api/
640407;1398356970;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform venusian!
640408;1398356992;asciilifeform;lol
640409;1398357016;Naphex;will deff integrate with rtbtc
640410;1398357033;Naphex;zeroblock
640411;1398357059;mircea_popescu;<fluffypony> i think you misunderstand the entire maidsafe thing. they just saw the bitbet treatment of late bets and are trying to implement something a) bigger and b) community-positive.
640412;1398357068;mircea_popescu;missing the point that it's small and community-negative FOR FUCKING REASONS
640413;1398357083;mircea_popescu;because that's what the would-be smart idiots not in here do : they misinterpret and misread my designs.
640414;1398357086;mircea_popescu;rather luciferic.
640415;1398357128;fluffypony;I don't understand...maidsafe's trying to do a bitbet?
640416;1398357160;mircea_popescu;the entire " They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, ~or used for development of maidsafe~..." thing
640417;1398357191;fluffypony;oh Danny boy's quote, tks, have context nao
640418;1398357228;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves> <+benkay> ThickAsThieves re neo hackers << lol i actually said EXACTLY that.
640419;1398357237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4642 @ 0.00095176 = 4.4181 BTC [+]
640420;1398357238;ThickAsThieves;so maidsafe wants to moderate what color money itll accept now?
640421;1398357256;mircea_popescu;<ThickAsThieves> We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted. << this can't possibly go any other way than lulz
640422;1398357274;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: yerz...hence this post: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-24/
640423;1398357280;ThickAsThieves;cuz taking on celebrity bitcoin advisers has worked so well so far
640424;1398357308;ThickAsThieves;your blog is pretty
640425;1398357323;mircea_popescu;<ThickAsThieves> mpex better get with teh programz! << who's zeroblock is more the q.
640426;1398357339;Naphex;mircea_popescu: former rtbtc
640427;1398357350;mircea_popescu;!up dooglus
640428;1398357350;assbot;Voicing dooglus for 30 minutes.
640429;1398357364;mircea_popescu;dooglus you know how to up yourself ?
640430;1398357386;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: tks, it's jekyll, which generates static html from markdown basically, and uses this jekyll theme: https://github.com/caarlos0/up
640431;1398357407;mircea_popescu;<Naphex> deficated locked down racks << only way to go, wd.
640432;1398357445;mircea_popescu;<Naphex> fix sucks << fix sucks in the sense the old volga car sucks.
640433;1398357467;mircea_popescu;it WAS a great beast. no longer very useful other than an old codger who once ruled his slice of the world,
640434;1398357468;mircea_popescu;to learn from.
640435;1398357473;Naphex;thq thq
640436;1398357481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9285 @ 0.00095453 = 8.8628 BTC [+] {2} 
640437;1398357490;Naphex;severs rock too, should carry lots
640438;1398357530;mircea_popescu;!up efalken
640439;1398357530;assbot;Voicing efalken for 30 minutes.
640440;1398357533;mircea_popescu;Hello!
640441;1398357545;ThickAsThieves;if anyone is feeling like a cringe: http://bitshares.org/
640442;1398357546;mircea_popescu;everyone : efalken is the guy who wrote the piece about mimics we read earlier
640443;1398357616;ThickAsThieves;efalken has seen the forums yet? :)
640444;1398357642;mircea_popescu;lol. i'm trying to argue this angle where bitcoin is for intelligent life forms.
640445;1398357645;fluffypony;REIMAGINE EVERYTHING
640446;1398357660;*;fluffypony reimagines sex and buy BitShares
640447;1398357681;mircea_popescu;;;us thq
640448;1398357681;gribble;Error: "us" is not a valid command.
640449;1398357684;mircea_popescu;;;ud thq
640450;1398357685;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=THQ | Jun 24, 2007 ... THQ. abreviation for "team hit and quit" one guy dates a girl, fucks her, dumps her , and then his friend does the same. Me and my best friend ...
640451;1398357685;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: THQ
640452;1398357692;mircea_popescu;Naphex srsly ?
640453;1398357725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16040 @ 0.0009564 = 15.3407 BTC [+] {3} 
640454;1398357738;Naphex;Naphex: seriously what?:o
640455;1398357753;Naphex;damn phone, sec let me move
640456;1398357813;mircea_popescu;phones are so useful :D
640457;1398357827;benkay;mircea_popescu: you starve me of my due credit oh bitlord
640458;1398357833;benkay;welcome efalken
640459;1398357835;mircea_popescu;benkay what'd i do ?
640460;1398357854;benkay;i suppose anyone can stitch the falken links together
640461;1398357856;mircea_popescu;meanwhile from the sad news department, what'll be the jd s.mpif investment stands at 49.99508744
640462;1398357858;benkay;BUT I CRAVE APPROVAL
640463;1398357863;mircea_popescu;we're already in the red ;/
640464;1398357874;mircea_popescu;benkay wait wait be explicit
640465;1398357905;jurov;should have invested in coinroll
640466;1398357916;asciilifeform;since i've been living under a rock, i gotta ask - is jd just sd with new fuel rods?
640467;1398357945;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's sd done by a better guy, with a better model.
640468;1398357951;benkay;mircea_popescu: i believe i brought the mimicry post to everyone's attention.
640469;1398357955;benkay;but anyways.
640470;1398357962;mircea_popescu;benkay so you did!
640471;1398357977;benkay;whatever irrelevant. the joke was actually about whiny young americans.
640472;1398357977;mircea_popescu;if anyone proposes we devoice you i'll make sure to mention it, how about that ? :D
640473;1398357997;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: take the 0.00491256 difference out of my Trilema credits
640474;1398357999;fluffypony;:-P
640475;1398357999;mircea_popescu;i'll be all like, "naw man, who;s gonna bring us the good mimes anymoar"
640476;1398358023;benkay;har if i'm up for devoicing the sybils've won and i better skeedaddle anyways.
640477;1398358049;mircea_popescu;interesting how that works.
640478;1398358065;mircea_popescu;efalken to speak you type in the lower bar and hit enter
640479;1398358083;jurov;!up mjr_
640480;1398358083;assbot;Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
640481;1398358089;mircea_popescu;!up tris
640482;1398358089;assbot;Voicing tris for 30 minutes.
640483;1398358111;fluffypony;tris: every time I see your host I think you're from Etherium and have come to convince me to "invest"
640484;1398358143;ThickAsThieves;that would be lovely
640485;1398358150;mircea_popescu;isn't it ethereum ?
640486;1398358154;ThickAsThieves;vitalik should come for a visit
640487;1398358172;mircea_popescu;so tell him.
640488;1398358173;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: ah yes, I can never remember
640489;1398358279;mircea_popescu;the nefarious influence of mp : ThickAsThieves wants to ask me q's in private, ends up making a new blog to publish the results on.
640490;1398358287;mircea_popescu;basically... i'm the denudificator.
640491;1398358323;asciilifeform;verführer ?
640492;1398358381;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again.
640493;1398358388;mircea_popescu;isn't that a demon ?
640494;1398358418;asciilifeform;'seducer' (leader-astray)
640495;1398358421;asciilifeform;you taught us the word today
640496;1398358442;mircea_popescu;zersetzungszelle verführer!
640497;1398358464;benkay;;;seen randomcat
640498;1398358465;gribble;I have not seen randomcat.
640499;1398358470;benkay;;;seen random_cat
640500;1398358470;gribble;random_cat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 12 hours, 3 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <random_cat> next year?
640501;1398358484;benkay;!up random_cat_
640502;1398358484;assbot;Voicing random_cat_ for 30 minutes.
640503;1398358486;benkay;hey random_cat_
640504;1398358498;benkay;lol 3 pings. ideally that'll get someone's attention.
640505;1398358525;mircea_popescu;!jd
640506;1398358525;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 16297 BTC profit, 35.9k BTC invested, 1092.27 mio bets, 5.20 mio BTC wagered
640507;1398358558;asciilifeform;where's tat's blog ?
640508;1398358562;mircea_popescu;cooking.
640509;1398358567;Naphex;mircea_popescu: q, if user wants to change gpg key. req gpgauth. if lost only real-life iding process will recover
640510;1398358572;Naphex;sounds right?
640511;1398358580;Naphex;IDing
640512;1398358588;mircea_popescu;it's how nanotube runs the wot.
640513;1398358595;mircea_popescu;probably should include proeminent warnings to ppls.
640514;1398358604;asciilifeform;wait he forgives lost keys ?!?!?
640515;1398358607;jurov;http://mpex.coinbr.com/faq.html#24 < naphex
640516;1398358612;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you beg him.
640517;1398358617;mircea_popescu;and he knows you.
640518;1398358620;mircea_popescu;maybe.
640519;1398358627;jurov;oh he meant wot
640520;1398358643;Naphex;thx jurov
640521;1398358646;asciilifeform;lost key, lost soul
640522;1398358733;Naphex;there are clients who go and wait by the atmi
640523;1398358742;Naphex;after selling their btc
640524;1398358755;Naphex;without hitting withdraw. then they call mad
640525;1398358762;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06778 = 0.2711 BTC [-]
640526;1398358769;mircea_popescu;lmao
640527;1398358786;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't touch the romanian derpage, myself.
640528;1398358800;Naphex;or others who just fill the deposit form
640529;1398358815;Naphex;and wait for us to withdraw money from their account
640530;1398358819;Naphex;:)
640531;1398358854;mircea_popescu;should just ship these fellows over to obama
640532;1398358879;mircea_popescu;i miss old style prisoner exchange things. "give me these guys that belong to us, you can have these twerps that'll prolly fit there better"
640533;1398358894;mircea_popescu;then one rainy night in berlin...
640534;1398358953;asciilifeform;Glienicke Brücke
640535;1398358974;Naphex;:))
640536;1398358976;asciilifeform;unrelated:
640537;1398358979;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/e8MOim6
640538;1398358979;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
640539;1398358990;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ^ what are these
640540;1398358993;asciilifeform;zaporozhets?
640541;1398359008;Naphex;that a lada? :p
640542;1398359016;mircea_popescu;mnah.
640543;1398359020;mircea_popescu;that's a dacia 1310
640544;1398359041;mircea_popescu;engine (2 cycle) is in the... back.
640545;1398359052;asciilifeform;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/ZAZ-968_front.jpg
640546;1398359055;mircea_popescu;wait wrong
640547;1398359057;mircea_popescu;dacia 1100
640548;1398359072;asciilifeform;(zaporozhets. my folks had one. very similar looking)
640549;1398359074;mircea_popescu;(bulgarrenault 8)
640550;1398359122;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/embed/XPR84AGLw_M << 1950s advert.
640551;1398359122;ozbot;RECLAMA COMUNISTA dacia 1100 - YouTube
640552;1398359139;Naphex;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPR84AGLw_M la start!
640553;1398359139;ozbot;RECLAMA COMUNISTA dacia 1100 - YouTube
640554;1398359140;Naphex;omg
640555;1398359141;Naphex;:((
640556;1398359167;Naphex;MD still talks like that:]
640557;1398359196;mircea_popescu;5/hour. bath paint.
640558;1398359208;mircea_popescu;46cp,
640559;1398359257;mircea_popescu;Naphex md ?
640560;1398359264;Naphex;moldova
640561;1398359266;mircea_popescu;a
640562;1398359294;asciilifeform;speaking of such ads,
640563;1398359295;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxMluSU6Frw
640564;1398359295;ozbot;Tatra 603 ad - YouTube
640565;1398359306;dooglus;hi guys
640566;1398359323;jurov;welcome dooglus
640567;1398359324;mircea_popescu;hey dooglus
640568;1398359337;jurov;;;ident dooglus
640569;1398359338;gribble;Nick 'dooglus', with hostmask 'dooglus!~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus', is identified as user 'dooglus', with GPG key id 4BE6A010492A358E, key fingerprint 258EAE7C26B1F2EBCFA180C04BE6A010492A358E, and bitcoin address 1Doog7asLrYah3yeUppBVj8nUYnFkmXm2N
640570;1398359345;dooglus;I noticed you had voiced me for 30 minutes about 31 minutes after it happened
640571;1398359363;mircea_popescu;lol
640572;1398359372;mircea_popescu;anyway, you id with gribble, you pm assbot !up and you're good.
640573;1398359377;dooglus;assbot ignores 'help' - but google told me about !up
640574;1398359397;dooglus;well, I did all that - or I wouldn't be talking now
640575;1398359400;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla mebbe assbot should reply to help
640576;1398359408;mircea_popescu;dooglus hehe yeah
640577;1398359451;benkay;would it be a terrible idea to allow people to request voice in chan via pm once every so many minutes?
640578;1398359457;benkay;via pm to assbot
640579;1398359475;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw what's the tatra truck thing ? god i loved those
640580;1398359516;asciilifeform;http://www.tatratrucks.com ?
640581;1398359521;mircea_popescu;benkay like, once every half hour someone (anyone) can pm assbot "!plz" and assbot will dump in chan "Anyone wanna !up X?"
640582;1398359526;asciilifeform;still in business, it seems
640583;1398359530;dooglus;would it be useful if I made the S.MPIF Just-Dice account balance visible to the public?
640584;1398359546;mircea_popescu;dooglus it can't hurt anything. you know which it is ?
640585;1398359552;dooglus;I've no idea
640586;1398359556;mircea_popescu;sec
640587;1398359585;benkay;mircea_popescu: that's exactly it.
640588;1398359591;mircea_popescu;700458
640589;1398359596;dooglus;thanks
640590;1398359600;mircea_popescu;holy shit you've had a ton of new accts huh
640591;1398359607;mircea_popescu;this can't be legitimate, you got spammed ?
640592;1398359617;mike_c;now we can watch and see if that account is betting with pif money too :)
640593;1398359632;mircea_popescu;lol i don't see how it could, but yeah
640594;1398359663;mike_c;jd creates a new account whenever someone not-cookied visits JD
640595;1398359669;*;mircea_popescu ponders whether his 3 digit jd acct is worth money :D
640596;1398359677;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6468 @ 0.00094923 = 6.1396 BTC [-]
640597;1398359736;Duffer1;mp ask nokawa he might be interested :P
640598;1398359737;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform was a particular type of them. ro military used them extensively.
640599;1398359739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4889 @ 0.00094923 = 4.6408 BTC [-]
640600;1398359763;mircea_popescu;Tatra 813 turns out.
640601;1398359769;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: worked on them?
640602;1398359782;mircea_popescu;me ? no, i was like 5.
640603;1398359787;asciilifeform;lol
640604;1398359799;mircea_popescu;but they were awesome.
640605;1398359810;mircea_popescu;and bs, you could never find models. only models of these other shitty trucks
640606;1398359818;mircea_popescu;it scarred my childhood i tell you.
640607;1398359838;mircea_popescu;8x8 drive, that thing.
640608;1398359868;asciilifeform;could run on kerosene! neat
640609;1398359874;mircea_popescu;it ran on toluene,
640610;1398359880;mircea_popescu;or whatever else.
640611;1398359968;mircea_popescu;!up justusranvier
640612;1398359968;assbot;Voicing justusranvier for 30 minutes.
640613;1398359976;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot justusranvier
640614;1398359976;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user justusranvier: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=justusranvier | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=justusranvier | Rated since: Mon Feb 11 19:56:55 2013
640615;1398359978;mircea_popescu;aok
640616;1398360104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52141571 = 1.5642 BTC [-] {3} 
640617;1398360263;benkay;http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304279904579517934206301354?mod=trending_now_3
640618;1398360318;mircea_popescu;ozbot pls to tell me wtf link is cause otherwise i just ignore them ty.
640619;1398360349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2800 @ 0.0001306 = 0.3657 BTC [-] {5} 
640620;1398360361;asciilifeform;benkay: no prizes for guessing what mega-subsidy like this does to the price.
640621;1398360409;asciilifeform;imagine if, rather than this, student loan were secured by... disassembly for organs
640622;1398360441;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the us has a serious problem with the absnece of an evil empire.
640623;1398360454;ThickAsThieves;blog is in progress, need to wait for domain to propagate and some other bs
640624;1398360461;mircea_popescu;they couldn't be secured by organ harvesting, but they could be secured by sale to evil empire of fuckland
640625;1398360483;mircea_popescu;where one lives on a boat in a 2x3 space, separated by a hanging sheet from all the other prostitutes
640626;1398360491;asciilifeform;what does fuckland do with the male idiots?
640627;1398360493;asciilifeform;butugychag?
640628;1398360502;benkay;cage matches.
640629;1398360507;mircea_popescu;either that or... idem. apparently people pay to fuck males, too.
640630;1398360516;benkay;o ya
640631;1398360533;benkay;wait really?
640632;1398360536;asciilifeform;niche product.
640633;1398360539;asciilifeform;(literally...)
640634;1398360542;benkay;i thought the homo scene was all about dat promiscuity.
640635;1398360575;mircea_popescu;here's a fun bit of the history of racism in europe :
640636;1398360592;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.068 = 0.272 BTC [+]
640637;1398360603;mircea_popescu;gypsies always have lived as nomads. most of the ancient roman empire is inhabited by sedentary farmer types. the differences are quite marked, and children are wired to react negatively to difference.
640638;1398360623;mircea_popescu;consequently, for centuries, the ultimate parental threat was, "i'ma give you to the gypsy man, who comes by with a sack to collect bad kids"
640639;1398360648;Naphex;thats taboo now though!
640640;1398360653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00095533 = 12.4671 BTC [+] {3} 
640641;1398360655;mircea_popescu;in typical eeuropean quaintness, your average gypsy worker guy with a sack would generously play the part, for the benefit of any mom needing it
640642;1398360661;mircea_popescu;sort-of like spontaneous adult complicity.
640643;1398360667;asciilifeform;the mega-lol being, that these folks would literally rather steal anything else
640644;1398360672;mircea_popescu;yup
640645;1398360675;mircea_popescu;esp the mother.
640646;1398360691;mircea_popescu;!up zedong
640647;1398360691;assbot;Voicing zedong for 30 minutes.
640648;1398360759;asciilifeform;even selling the female lusers, that'd be a serious haircut
640649;1398360762;mircea_popescu;(my braindead use of "racism" ethnically reflects merely the confused use of the term by the people most likely to use it, i disclaim any other implication)
640650;1398360774;asciilifeform;considering what they'd be worth on international market
640651;1398360789;asciilifeform;not exactly 'FDA Grade A'
640652;1398360796;mircea_popescu;there's an international market for badly brought up western females ?
640653;1398360810;asciilifeform;gotta be
640654;1398360817;asciilifeform;even pig shit can be sold
640655;1398360823;mircea_popescu;maybe if someone's looking for exclamation point counting services.
640656;1398360891;dooglus;"whether his 3 digit jd acct is worth money" -- probably a little for vanity's sake, and more if it has a negative investment profit
640657;1398360897;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52145683 BTC [+]
640658;1398360912;dooglus;(accounts with negative profit pay no commission until the loss is recouped)
640659;1398360917;mircea_popescu;dooglus i believe the vanity value is actually an indirect measure of jd worth
640660;1398360948;asciilifeform;you can use 'vi' instead of 'emacs' if you were to buy a parenthesis-counting slavegurl ?
640661;1398361018;Naphex;dooglus: ever tought about putting out an API? I've heard of guys who'd want to put JustDice in a Romanian Gabling Machine :)
640662;1398361032;mircea_popescu;he has an api im pretty sure
640663;1398361039;Naphex;the ones the put in 'birts', what are they called mircea_popescu ?
640664;1398361043;Naphex;pacanelele
640665;1398361045;Naphex;:)
640666;1398361066;mircea_popescu;Naphex whoa srsly ? how'd it work tho ?
640667;1398361069;asciilifeform;this is good point, dice gizmos ought to be physically present, blinkenlighs, bells, in boozing houses.
640668;1398361114;Naphex;mircea_popescu: probably with btc from the bar, and house buys btc back.
640669;1398361130;Naphex;atleast thats how i heard it proposed
640670;1398361149;mircea_popescu;getting the bar to grok btc processing tho...
640671;1398361162;mircea_popescu;Naphex you should build an api to support his api to make it easy for bars.
640672;1398361171;mircea_popescu;offer guaranteed values for a week, say.
640673;1398361223;Naphex;btcxchange-rpc api should support mostly anything. but i'm swamped
640674;1398361236;Naphex;working on the btc payments gateway
640675;1398361239;asciilifeform;adding booze to diceatrons - this'd be like lithium deuteride booster for nuke.
640676;1398361243;asciilifeform;just what doctor ordered.
640677;1398361252;Naphex;so they can start advertising to online stores
640678;1398361263;mircea_popescu;dooglus you been putting any work into getting a physical machine ?
640679;1398361299;Naphex;physical machine wouldn't be hard at all
640680;1398361322;mircea_popescu;things that wouldn't be hard at all usually take upwards of six months.
640681;1398361365;Naphex;mircea_popescu: http://www.alienconcept.ro/
640682;1398361400;benkay;<mircea_popescu> things that wouldn't be hard at all usually take upwards of six months. << this again and again
640683;1398361406;mircea_popescu;definitely something to do there tho.
640684;1398361751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2369 @ 0.00095245 = 2.2564 BTC [-]
640685;1398361825;BingoBoingo;;;rate hanbot 3 Only Functional part of Bitcointalk
640686;1398361826;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user hanbot has been recorded.
640687;1398361864;mircea_popescu;"and if thy functional part offends thee, cut it out!"
640688;1398361873;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00471 = 0.1978 BTC [+]
640689;1398362087;kakobrekla;hello.
640690;1398362097;kakobrekla;so many messages.
640691;1398362108;mircea_popescu;high amount of phone messages ?
640692;1398362128;kakobrekla;<mircea_popescu> kakobrekla mebbe assbot should reply to help < "!help" works ??
640693;1398362134;mircea_popescu;!help
640694;1398362134;assbot;List of commands:
640695;1398362135;assbot;!up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)
640696;1398362136;assbot;!up <nick> (desc: sending it on chan will give <nick> voice for 30 minutes)
640697;1398362137;assbot;!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
640698;1398362138;assbot;!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
640699;1398362139;assbot;!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
640700;1398362140;assbot;!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
640701;1398362141;assbot;!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
640702;1398362142;assbot;!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
640703;1398362143;assbot;!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
640704;1398362144;assbot;!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
640705;1398362145;kakobrekla;<asciilifeform> kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again. < hmm ??
640706;1398362145;mircea_popescu;shit.
640707;1398362159;ThickAsThieves;!exchanges
640708;1398362180;mircea_popescu;(desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating) |  (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given you're identified with gribble and in assbot's L2 WoT)
640709;1398362180;mircea_popescu;?
640710;1398362182;kakobrekla;<mike_c> kakobrekla feature request: it would be nice to have yes/no bets confirmed/weighted sum in the BB json.  it can be calculated from the bets, so not high priority, but if you're bored :) < hm maybe but that is basic algebra, i try not to pass things that one can easily calc
640711;1398362210;mircea_popescu;not to pass things that one can easily calc << that's the correct design imo.
640712;1398362212;kakobrekla;<hanbot> ;;rate kakobrekla 1 A reliable bloke who rolls a good fag. < jurov must be jelly
640713;1398362230;kakobrekla;<asciilifeform> ;;later tell kakobrekla pcb folks? do they also pick'n'place, SMT? < afaik one of them still do, i can check.
640714;1398362260;mike_c;fair enough.
640715;1398362394;benkay;http://butt.holdings/
640716;1398362531;mircea_popescu;butt.butt
640717;1398362544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00095778 = 16.5217 BTC [+] {3} 
640718;1398362562;kakobrekla;<asciilifeform> kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again. < ah, the "ü" thing. dunno, ill see what can i do about that.
640719;1398362629;BingoBoingo;http://gawker.com/notorious-troll-says-he-will-create-trolly-hedge-fund-c-1566707098
640720;1398362630;ozbot;Notorious Troll Says He Will Create Trolly Hedge Fund Called "TRO LLC"
640721;1398362644;BingoBoingo;Rabit replies in the comments
640722;1398362650;BingoBoingo;*rabite
640723;1398362873;kakobrekla;>> Andrew "Weev" Auernheimer, the infamous hacker and troll,
640724;1398362875;kakobrekla;who ??
640725;1398362888;mircea_popescu;the at&t guy
640726;1398362967;kakobrekla;ah
640727;1398362971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC
640728;1398363056;mircea_popescu;http://37.media.tumblr.com/7f78eaba6f8c738f84f36ee55c260237/tumblr_mwxmio0Agj1spl2qwo1_r2_500.jpg
640729;1398363154;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4538 @ 0.00013015 = 0.5906 BTC [-] {7} 
640730;1398363183;jborkl_;nice, very nice
640731;1398363243;jborkl_;Almost done integrating a blockexplorer to my site- just waiting on the blockchain to dl
640732;1398363289;mircea_popescu;what's it called ?
640733;1398363304;mircea_popescu;http://37.media.tumblr.com/8f90e02d75f0f25a5100e83b60ec2e63/tumblr_n2r3zaCgd01qewacoo1_500.jpg
640734;1398363394;mircea_popescu;moiety http://24.media.tumblr.com/dd2adf09ed083e47c37107345099885c/tumblr_mqm7n600fP1qb6t6wo1_400.gif
640735;1398363467;moiety;lololololol "dafuq?!"
640736;1398363474;jborkl_;it is going to be on bcoinnews.com for now I guess- I could always put it on btcrack.com
640737;1398363566;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if we get someone trustworthy doing mining at some point << the way i understand it, mining is -EV unless you own a semiconductor plant.
640738;1398363575;asciilifeform;or at least have a share in one
640739;1398363600;jborkl_;99,999 blocks to go-
640740;1398363703;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.043999 = 0.176 BTC [+] {2} 
640741;1398363724;ThickAsThieves;http://www.coindesk.com/xapo-launches-bitcoin-debit-card-accepted-at-all-mastercard-locations/
640742;1398363851;Naphex;ThickAsThieves: i think they just have a multi-account system, issue a mastercard, give USD, take BTC
640743;1398363886;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
640744;1398363892;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/1f95eb0bc80f1dad9b6eeb0b02c2f516/tumblr_mzywjikI5j1qzfebyo1_500.jpg
640745;1398363947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00095535 = 1.6241 BTC [-]
640746;1398364085;Naphex;"Casares explained that Xapo added the product due to demand from current customers who have wanted a way to spend the roughly 10% of their funds (on average) they keep in the company’s hot wallets. The remainder is stored securely in cold storage."
640747;1398364098;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/05faecbf33aaf001d27edb312fafe63e/tumblr_n413uzJHKh1s2yegdo1_r1_400.gif
640748;1398364110;moiety;would probably get further with that lil dude than most customer services people mircea_popescu
640749;1398364120;Naphex;so.. customer stores btc, credit 10% of btc value to corporate issued mastercard, use spends it. hold the btc
640750;1398364127;Naphex;i think thats mostly it:o
640751;1398364172;mircea_popescu;;;seen wences
640752;1398364172;gribble;wences was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 44 weeks, 5 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <wences> mircea, are you here?
640753;1398364243;Naphex;the roughly, and average chitchat, is if bitcoin values moves, you might have less then that 10% of the value on the card. until it readjusts
640754;1398364266;Naphex;nice move, doable. mastercard might have a field day though :D
640755;1398364269;mircea_popescu;ok this shit's too cute : http://31.media.tumblr.com/fc31e4ae9fa57a23c45ab56261b69f7f/tumblr_mjd0u9f3Fj1qd5hzfo2_500.jpg http://37.media.tumblr.com/58a4e0f2ecced5023e43e1056d6b6ee3/tumblr_mjd0u9f3Fj1qd5hzfo3_500.jpg http://24.media.tumblr.com/e2d8ad05821d4990523d453dd473b812/tumblr_mjd0u9f3Fj1qd5hzfo1_500.jpg
640756;1398364334;moiety;i just made an entirely unnatural noise, not gonna lie
640757;1398364349;mircea_popescu;you QUEEFED because of my tiny turtle pix ?
640758;1398364366;moiety;right into a jar (thinking ahead)
640759;1398364377;mircea_popescu;lmao
640760;1398364397;mircea_popescu;"i have the special QueefCaptu underwears! only 19'95 at selected retailers"
640761;1398364454;moiety;bahahaha "surprisingly comfortable too"
640762;1398364496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00095626 = 3.06 BTC [+]
640763;1398364581;moiety;or 0.0561 BTC*
640764;1398364625;mircea_popescu;http://37.media.tumblr.com/42bd2627a419a203c58d37f3299a4a5e/tumblr_mzz5fo4agd1s199fdo1_400.gif
640765;1398364630;moiety;i wonder how long 1QUEEFS would take to generate....
640766;1398364650;mircea_popescu;5 letters. not so bad.
640767;1398364703;moiety;aw i doubt i have any caps in the house to recreate that last one, damnit
640768;1398364715;BingoBoingo;If all caps is a must it will take longe rthough
640769;1398364731;moiety;1Queefs?
640770;1398364741;moiety;i think allcaps looks better
640771;1398364863;fluffypony;it was on the 24th day of April
640772;1398364867;fluffypony;in the year of 2014
640773;1398364879;fluffypony;that mircea_popescu declared #bitcoin-assets become /r/awww
640774;1398364883;fluffypony;and thus it was
640775;1398364894;mircea_popescu;RAW!
640776;1398364916;moiety;queefs are aww?
640777;1398364929;moiety;https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152347282685874
640778;1398364932;mircea_popescu;did you know seals can get hickups ?
640779;1398364934;moiety;actually a video
640780;1398364936;mircea_popescu;http://37.media.tumblr.com/a3bbb07a4142b2e45314ee3446a28ab5/tumblr_n3tf9cll861qbwg0zo1_500.gif << proof.
640781;1398364956;moiety;jesus, pretty violent hiccups too!
640782;1398364968;ThickAsThieves;http://rt.com/politics/154056-russian-bloggers-mass-media/
640783;1398365025;Naphex;BingoBoingo: hey, if you have any suggestions, annoiances or any feedback regarding usage of btcxchange, shoot any time. :D
640784;1398365045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00095535 = 2.7705 BTC [-]
640785;1398365053;BingoBoingo;Naphex: I can't think of any atm
640786;1398365208;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/UtwRmkm.png
640787;1398365208;fluffypony;turtle approval is at an all time high
640788;1398365350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1695 @ 0.00095535 = 1.6193 BTC [-]
640789;1398365368;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: http://gigaom.com/2014/04/24/a-debit-card-for-bitcoin-xapo-solves-the-payment-problem-with-mastercard-tie-in/
640790;1398365370;fluffypony;"This story was updated at 9:52am PT to reflect the fact that Xapo does not have a formal relationship with MasterCard, but only that it hopes to have one through a partner bank. This is contrary to earlier claims made by Xapo to Gigaom both in person and in writing that Xapo would issue a MasterCard-branded debit card. A MasterCard representative confirmed that it has no relationship with Xapo."
640791;1398365441;fluffypony;I don't have a submarine, but I hope to have one through a military contractor...I can haz press coverage nao?
640792;1398365472;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06968754 = 1.0453 BTC [+] {2} 
640793;1398365499;mircea_popescu;they ate the swrawberry for a week afterwards
640794;1398365520;mircea_popescu;" but only that it hopes to have one through a partner bank"
640795;1398365522;mircea_popescu;so bitcoin.
640796;1398365548;ThickAsThieves;sigh
640797;1398365551;bounce;huh, there's actually a(t least one) shipyard in cuba
640798;1398365570;ThickAsThieves;that makes them like the 11th co to claim a btc credit card
640799;1398365573;ThickAsThieves;all bs
640800;1398365621;ThickAsThieves;so this DarkMarket thing
640801;1398365634;ThickAsThieves;can the gov make it illegal to run the app?
640802;1398365657;bounce;didn't germany already outlaw the likes of nmap?
640803;1398365692;ThickAsThieves;it seems each user is a host of the network
640804;1398365701;ThickAsThieves;A user downloads the DarkMarket software, which runs as a daemon in the background of the user’s operating system, allowing them to connect to the DarkMarket network through any browser. The DarkMarket daemon incorporates a library of commands for peer-to-peer networking known as ZeroMQ, which allows the user’s PC to become a node in a distributed network where every user can
640805;1398365701;ThickAsThieves;communicate directly with every other user.
640806;1398365707;ThickAsThieves;http://www.wired.com/2014/04/darkmarket/
640807;1398365707;ozbot;Inside the ‘DarkMarket’ Prototype, a Silk Road the FBI Can Never Seize | Threat Level | WIRED
640808;1398365732;bounce;zeromq is a p2p thing now?
640809;1398365774;fluffypony;I actually have a BTC debit card from the now defunct thebitcoincard.co.uk
640810;1398365774;fluffypony;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=213832.msg2705402#msg2705402
640811;1398365775;ozbot;First prepaid card to exchange Bitcoins
640812;1398365820;fluffypony;ended up just being a tc debit card
640813;1398365821;fluffypony;and you have to wade through a French website to activate it
640814;1398365821;fluffypony;and then you used to be able to buy overpriced BTC from thebitcoincard.co.uk and they'd load it on your card in fiat
640815;1398365825;fluffypony;so stupid
640816;1398365890;HeySteve;I see a reputation system as pretty critical to the success of something like dark markets
640817;1398365938;HeySteve;bitwasp too, where one can have ephemeral markets that come and go like a stream of soap bubble worlds
640818;1398365974;HeySteve;verifiable and community-rated identities across these markets is key to improving trade
640819;1398366040;HeySteve;it's all very well to dodge the federales, but not if it will likely land you in the clutches of scammers
640820;1398366140;ThickAsThieves;are you daying DarkMarket doesnt have such system?
640821;1398366143;ThickAsThieves;saying*
640822;1398366161;pankkake;fluffypony: oh god, it's our friend dotcoin/bitcoinbourse … https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189119.0
640823;1398366187;HeySteve;ThickAsThieves: "At the moment, DarkMarket displays only a bare IP address for every user..."
640824;1398366229;ThickAsThieves;lol
640825;1398366230;HeySteve;there is linkage between nicks and public keys, but no mention of rating
640826;1398366231;*;fluffypony clicks
640827;1398366246;ThickAsThieves;i recall taaki's presentation including such
640828;1398366255;ThickAsThieves;or at least methods of conflict resolution
640829;1398366263;ThickAsThieves;if it is dark, wtf does show ip?
640830;1398366266;fluffypony;pankkake: LOL - I had no idea, no wonder their product was so shitty
640831;1398366291;HeySteve;ThickAsThieves, they haven't programmed that bit yet but they seem to expect someone will soon...
640832;1398366342;HeySteve;ThickAsThieves, you watched their presentation in Canada?
640833;1398366398;HeySteve;ah wait my mistake, they do say they have a rep system
640834;1398366509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00095626 = 6.2157 BTC [+]
640835;1398366682;Naphex;incoming split?
640836;1398366997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10345 @ 0.00095663 = 9.8963 BTC [+] {2} 
640837;1398367142;mircea_popescu;The DarkMarket daemon << is this just a rebranded tor bundle thing ?
640838;1398367146;mircea_popescu;onion or w/e it was called
640839;1398367179;mircea_popescu;!up France-bitcoin
640840;1398367179;assbot;Voicing France-bitcoin for 30 minutes.
640841;1398367189;mircea_popescu;France-bitcoin srsly ? what a name.
640842;1398367211;bounce;why such hate? france AND bitcoin. what's not to love?
640843;1398367241;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06968754 = 0.1394 BTC [+]
640844;1398367302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1980 @ 0.00095843 = 1.8977 BTC [+] {2} 
640845;1398367363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2370 @ 0.00095875 = 2.2722 BTC [+]
640846;1398367372;punkman;The DarkMarket daemon << is this just a rebranded tor bundle thing ? << no it looks like a piece of shit implemented on top of 0mq, which didn't even do security for the first few major versions
640847;1398367378;France-bitcoin;mircea_popescu, a blog name...
640848;1398367427;mircea_popescu;punkman for the love of meh. why not just rebundle tor.
640849;1398367430;mircea_popescu;win-win wtf.
640850;1398367431;fluffypony;bounce: too many Frenchman in France, maybe that's his problem :-P
640851;1398367448;mircea_popescu;davout pankkake etc will be pleased to hear :D
640852;1398367465;France-bitcoin;yeah we know each other :)
640853;1398367540;France-bitcoin;i'm here because gribble does not integrate #bitcoin-fr mostly
640854;1398367548;France-bitcoin;we are working on that
640855;1398367552;mircea_popescu;o that's a thing ?
640856;1398367556;bounce;sheesh, even nickserv registered. such original nickname.
640857;1398367559;pankkake;France might end up with more tourists than French
640858;1398367571;punkman;mircea_popescu: they plan to add Tor but still, I don't think it's prudent to 0mq with random nodes
640859;1398367574;France-bitcoin;ah pankkake :)
640860;1398367577;fluffypony;pankkake: surely the French would never allow it!
640861;1398367587;mircea_popescu;punkman prolly not.
640862;1398367622;mircea_popescu;-BitBot- NB : le chan est loggé et les archives sont publiées à l'adresse suivante : http://bitcoin.powaaa.com/irc/
640863;1398367627;mircea_popescu;liek a supybot or what is it ?
640864;1398367674;fluffypony;"On international tests, American children rank 25th in math and 21st in science, despite the push for greater accountability through No Child Left Behind. What’s more, although America is falling behind in math, our kids are first in confidence.  American students get terrible math scores compared to their international peers, but they think they’re great in math—in fact, they have more confidence in their math skills than students from
640865;1398367674;fluffypony;any other country."
640866;1398367676;fluffypony;http://www.education.com/magazine/article/waiting-superman-means-parents/
640867;1398367677;ozbot;"Waiting for Superman": What it Means for You and Your Child | Education.com
640868;1398367691;BingoBoingo;http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/03/17/bad_romance_france_s_17_billion_warship_deal_with_russia_gets_new_scrutiny
640869;1398367759;mircea_popescu;lol they actually managed to get charles de gaulle seaworthy ?
640870;1398367762;mircea_popescu;!up VictorM
640871;1398367762;assbot;Voicing VictorM for 30 minutes.
640872;1398367765;davout;!up VictorM
640873;1398367765;assbot;Voice for VictorM extended to 30 minutes.
640874;1398367769;mircea_popescu;ha-ha!
640875;1398367791;davout;yea, i've been talking for a couple of minutes before realizing i didn't voice myself ><
640876;1398367798;davout;so i was saying
640877;1398367803;davout;France-bitcoin: gribble is on #bitcoin-fr what are you talking about
640878;1398367827;davout;also that my apartment got broken into this afternoon, probably some french people...
640879;1398367837;France-bitcoin;gribble is giving a list of chan to be on to proceed
640880;1398367839;bounce;damage?
640881;1398367847;France-bitcoin;you could have asked on pv :)
640882;1398367854;mircea_popescu;davout he means it's not on the auth list.
640883;1398367883;davout;France-bitcoin mircea_popescu ahh i see
640884;1398367889;mircea_popescu;cause nanotube wanted to keep some sort of tabs on what chans you can auth from, which is sensible.
640885;1398367902;France-bitcoin;should add ours
640886;1398367905;davout;bounce: negligible, most of the hassle is the broken window and the time lost with the police
640887;1398367912;davout;mircea_popescu: how is it sensible?
640888;1398367918;France-bitcoin;that would avoid this kind of "stuff"
640889;1398367946;davout;France-bitcoin: if you're doing business you should probably hang around the "authable" chans anyway
640890;1398367967;nanotube;davout: i just added #bitcoin-fr to auth list, by bad_duck's request. so... there.
640891;1398367974;mircea_popescu;davout for one, there's peeps trying to scamhunt, they gotta idle in all chans that allow authing
640892;1398367980;France-bitcoin;well the welcoming party here is nice :) I should think about that yeah :)
640893;1398367981;davout;nanotube: thanks!
640894;1398367985;mircea_popescu;cause while scammers usually id in pm, they still gotta be in chan
640895;1398368009;nanotube;davout: np. keep an eye out for scammers.
640896;1398368029;davout;nanotube: will do
640897;1398368034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 56 @ 0.03299639 = 1.8478 BTC [+] {8} 
640898;1398368045;davout;;;rated nanotube
640899;1398368046;gribble;You have not yet rated user nanotube
640900;1398368049;France-bitcoin;we don't have any on our channel as far as i know...
640901;1398368074;nanotube;France-bitcoin: that's cool. we should all move there, then. :)
640902;1398368086;davout;;;rate nanotube 1 kind sir
640903;1398368087;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nanotube has been recorded.
640904;1398368150;nanotube;;;rate davout 1 old timer
640905;1398368151;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.
640906;1398368494;France-bitcoin;stop rubbing each other guys :)
640907;1398368565;France-bitcoin;now i just got to debug some strange stuff with gribble privately and I will leave you alone
640908;1398368577;fluffypony;oooh la la
640909;1398368583;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0335 = 0.1005 BTC [+]
640910;1398368597;davout;France-bitcoin: publicly might be better if you're debugging gribble and if it's not too noisy :D
640911;1398368608;HeySteve;http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/sara-medina
640912;1398368616;HeySteve;good night all
640913;1398368627;bounce;isn't that what #gribble is for?
640914;1398368638;fluffypony;lol customers...ticket just got escalated to me: "I run the 8th largest magazine in the world" - maybe I should reply and ask them what they're doing buying GPU mining frames
640915;1398368650;France-bitcoin;well i did need to connect here (or another chan on the list...) then do it privately which is what i'm talking about
640916;1398368651;davout;bounce: you got a point
640917;1398368705;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53137777 = 1.0628 BTC [+] {2} 
640918;1398368706;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 134 @ 0.0075 = 1.005 BTC [+]
640919;1398368764;davout;the xapo story is interesting, wonder where it will go
640920;1398368779;davout;given that mastercard is pretty anti-bitcoin
640921;1398368801;fluffypony;davout: I met with one of the banks here last year August-ish about it
640922;1398368812;fluffypony;they have VISA and MasterCard prepaids
640923;1398368826;fluffypony;and they said that in general MC and VISA don't care what they issue
640924;1398368845;fluffypony;and that their auth systems on the back-end don't even have to be actual currency
640925;1398368848;davout;fluffypony: mastercard opposed bitinstant's card, and they also opposed ours when we wanted to issue one in partnership with aqoba
640926;1398368862;fluffypony;oic
640927;1398368878;fluffypony;couldn't you have gone with a VISA partner?
640928;1398368885;bounce;except they might at the drop of a hat decide that they don't like where some of their users send their money and stop doing it
640929;1398368888;davout;so, as soon as they actually hear about it they'll fuck the deal up
640930;1398368949;davout;fluffypony: the psp we were working with was working with mastercard, custom cards are mostly mastercard's thing, not really visa's
640931;1398368964;davout;but in theory there's nothing that prevents visa from doing it
640932;1398368991;davout;i'm off, stomachs don't just fill themselves
640933;1398369013;fluffypony;have fun - buon appetit
640934;1398369023;davout;!up France-bitcoin
640935;1398369023;assbot;Voicing France-bitcoin for 30 minutes.
640936;1398369027;davout;fluffypony: merci!
640937;1398369073;France-bitcoin;thx davout, still taking care of the kids and the gribble thing is not finished yet...
640938;1398369103;kakobrekla;davout what is the story with xapo?
640939;1398369133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00095875 = 3.5953 BTC [+]
640940;1398369134;davout;kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2014#640741
640941;1398369160;kakobrekla;the log pft. ill remove it just so i dont have to read it.
640942;1398369166;fluffypony;kakobrekla: the GigaOm article is better because it contains an embarrassing update
640943;1398369170;fluffypony;http://gigaom.com/2014/04/24/a-debit-card-for-bitcoin-xapo-solves-the-payment-problem-with-mastercard-tie-in/
640944;1398369171;ozbot;Updated: A debit card for bitcoin: Xapo could solve the payment problem with help from banks —
640945;1398369193;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 98 @ 0.0335 = 3.283 BTC [+]
640946;1398369286;kakobrekla;they use bitstamp, fucking great.
640947;1398369559;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 58 @ 0.0742218 = 4.3049 BTC [-]
640948;1398369620;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 3.51308395 BTC to 13`595 shares, 25841 satoshi per share
640949;1398369620;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 58 @ 0.0335 = 1.943 BTC [+]
640950;1398369681;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 26 @ 0.0742218 = 1.9298 BTC [-]
640951;1398369682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.0335 = 0.6365 BTC [+]
640952;1398369877;asciilifeform;re: darkmarket: anything vaguely approaching this is (at least by thinking people) regarded as 'guilty until proven innocent' of honeypot
640953;1398369885;asciilifeform;and ought to be designed accordingly
640954;1398369944;ThickAsThieves;alrighty here's the tat blog http://devilsadvocate.biz/flirting-with-s-mpif/
640955;1398369952;asciilifeform;unfortunately, 'designed accordingly' consists, imho, entirely of the weirdo heresy that only i seem to believe in.
640956;1398369954;ThickAsThieves;i'll surely be tweaking the style and widgets etc
640957;1398369986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00095875 = 0.9588 BTC [+]
640958;1398370001;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: surprised that you haven't taken the offer yet - it sounds like fun.
640959;1398370073;ThickAsThieves;it's not a matter of lack of interest
640960;1398370108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5455 @ 0.00095535 = 5.2114 BTC [-]
640961;1398370192;kakobrekla;the devils advocate?
640962;1398370196;kakobrekla;is this a new blog of yours?
640963;1398370251;kakobrekla;i gotta give it to you, you pick some strange names
640964;1398370327;kakobrekla;'thieves', 'devil', ... are dem cute pirates coming too? :)
640965;1398370413;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 145 @ 0.06800759 = 9.8611 BTC [-] {4} 
640966;1398370414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.0742218 = 0.668 BTC [-]
640967;1398370516;BingoBoingo;I feel special, ThickAsThieves gets no insight into my operations othe than what I might publically disclose.
640968;1398370597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5395 @ 0.00095481 = 5.1512 BTC [-]
640969;1398370657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105 @ 0.00095875 = 0.1007 BTC [+]
640970;1398370718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 122 @ 0.00762908 = 0.9307 BTC [+] {5} 
640971;1398370761;kakobrekla;ascii, dunno if you got my
640972;1398370777;kakobrekla;pm, if im not on your whilelist i can paste here
640973;1398370825;kakobrekla;whitelist*
640974;1398370980;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: got it
640975;1398370994;kakobrekla;kk
640976;1398371024;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: no pricing info on site, unfortunately
640977;1398371050;kakobrekla;its not customary for such ops to do that here.
640978;1398371066;kakobrekla;you send in what you want and they spit out the number.
640979;1398371117;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: atm i'm looking for folks with reasonably cheap pcb stuffing for obscenely small quantities (<50)
640980;1398371125;asciilifeform;this may or may not exist.
640981;1398371132;kakobrekla;they do small runs
640982;1398371158;asciilifeform;in that industry, 'small' typically means less than 10,000
640983;1398371165;ThickAsThieves;[16:09] <+kakobrekla> the devils advocate? /// one of my fav movies, also a term many people have used on me, also what i feel the essence of blogging is
640984;1398371169;ThickAsThieves;taking the other side
640985;1398371173;kakobrekla;they even offer submitting it to the bucket and they print when they have one full board used
640986;1398371178;kakobrekla;that is used for small diyers
640987;1398371199;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: for pcb fab only (where such is typical) or smt placement?
640988;1398371207;kakobrekla;pcb fab only
640989;1398371218;asciilifeform;i'm pretty happy with my current supplier for those
640990;1398371230;asciilifeform;doubt that anyone can beat the chinese slavefarms for pcb
640991;1398371269;kakobrekla;i wasnt saying that
640992;1398371324;kakobrekla;just saying its not an issue to get it done
640993;1398371337;kakobrekla;even doing placement on a small run
640994;1398371344;kakobrekla;not 10k
640995;1398371349;asciilifeform;for pcb, my current supplier gives me, believe or not, 3 day turnaround, incl. airplane from cn to us
640996;1398371350;kakobrekla;but 100 boards
640997;1398371357;asciilifeform;ok that sounds promising
640998;1398371399;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: you know the owner personally?
640999;1398371419;kakobrekla;not the owner, a guy who works at the second link i gave you
641000;1398371425;asciilifeform;aha
641001;1398371446;kakobrekla;he might be co owner not sure
641002;1398371451;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: I expected you as more of a Devil Wears Prada kinda guy :-P
641003;1398371456;kakobrekla;but whatever-
641004;1398371478;ThickAsThieves;not sure what that means, am i the bitch or the bitch?
641005;1398371480;ThickAsThieves;:)
641006;1398371717;ThickAsThieves;not sure if youve any interest, or whether it's a good idea, but i'd be happy to try and connect you to Friedcat at ASICMINER if you think he might have any connections of interest re pcb or components
641007;1398371771;mike_c;did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc?  nethash is booming.
641008;1398371783;asciilifeform;;;gettrust Friedcat
641009;1398371784;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user Friedcat: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=asciilifeform&dest=Friedcat | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Friedcat | Rated since: never
641010;1398371840;ThickAsThieves;friedcat himself isnt exactly reliable, but he might have resources
641011;1398371844;Naphex;;;ident
641012;1398371845;gribble;Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu
641013;1398371870;ThickAsThieves;i aint mining teh ATCs!
641014;1398371875;asciilifeform;when a fellow isn't reliable, hard to be sure how much because of his own head and how much because he relies on muppets.
641015;1398371881;Naphex;what is atc?
641016;1398371889;fluffypony;Naphex: teh only altcoin
641017;1398371891;ThickAsThieves;www.therealaltcoin.org
641018;1398371894;fluffypony;https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/4081-altcoin-atc-information/
641019;1398371906;Naphex;sorry, don't follow alts
641020;1398371920;ThickAsThieves;thats the point!
641021;1398371938;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 250 @ 0.00762649 = 1.9066 BTC [-] {7} 
641022;1398372025;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: are asicminer still planning on manufacturing to sell to miners, or are they now all in-house mining only? I haven't kept tabs in ages
641023;1398372046;ThickAsThieves;i havent either
641024;1398372055;ThickAsThieves;but they just posted a big update this week
641025;1398372065;ThickAsThieves;jutarul posted it
641026;1398372075;ThickAsThieves;if ter interested
641027;1398372078;ThickAsThieves;yer
641028;1398372097;fluffypony;ok will checksie
641029;1398372121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.0009539 = 9.7298 BTC [-] {2} 
641030;1398372326;fluffypony;find ./ -type f -name '*.py' | xargs sed -i '' 's/http:\/\//https:\/\//g'
641031;1398372331;fluffypony;wrong button
641032;1398372361;asciilifeform;given what i know about the miner builders, i'm not certain i'd want to purchase so much as shoelaces from anyone associated
641033;1398372369;asciilifeform;but i could be convinced otherwise, given new data
641034;1398372398;ThickAsThieves;yeah i wouldnt force it
641035;1398372420;ThickAsThieves;more like a, ifyerinapinch kinda thing
641036;1398372425;asciilifeform;no pinch
641037;1398372426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06961251 = 0.1392 BTC [-]
641038;1398372430;asciilifeform;just keeping options open
641039;1398372444;bounce;apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement?
641040;1398372469;asciilifeform;my main purpose in asking here is to sound out the possibility that someone knows such an operator in person, and can vouch for him.
641041;1398372663;Naphex;;;seen tcatm
641042;1398372663;gribble;I have not seen tcatm.
641043;1398372691;fluffypony;asciilifeform: I can you put you in touch with the Italians that are doing stuff for us, I know the owner well and can vouch for him, and they routinely work with small quantities
641044;1398372725;asciilifeform;fluffypony: if it's no secret, what did you do with them?
641045;1398372797;fluffypony;asciilifeform: no secret at all - we have a design for a remote power on/power off system for mining rigs that we're busy finalising with them
641046;1398372801;fluffypony;lemme pastebin it out the proposal
641047;1398372820;fluffypony;asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zimEPURt
641048;1398372831;fluffypony;that's what they've designed with us and are busy prototyping atm
641049;1398372862;asciilifeform;fluffypony: care to say approximate cost of the prototype run?
641050;1398372880;fluffypony;lemme grab my notes and I'll tell you
641051;1398372914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00095561 = 3.8224 BTC [+]
641052;1398372981;fluffypony;"For the initial batch we can use manual soldered components, so, we can avoid to have the master piece plate for SMD components to buy, and move to SMD only if production batches will go over 1000 pieces."
641053;1398372999;fluffypony;"easy also to prototipe, so i expect to have a "few prototipes" costs between 15/20$ each, and a production price no more than 10/12$ each for low batches ( ~ 100 pieces )"
641054;1398373013;fluffypony;(that was for the board that goes into the BeagleBone for the master unit)
641055;1398373027;midnightmagic;ooOoo
641056;1398373034;fluffypony;"For the slaves, i was thinking about using a pic18f67j60, it is an 8 bit MCU with an ethernet mac/phy embedded, and it is very powerfull. the same circuit we have for the expansion board with this MCU and a magnetic rj45 connector will cost the same for prototipes and no more than 15$ each in production for low batches."
641057;1398373062;kakobrekla;you are 2 years late with this shit
641058;1398373076;asciilifeform;nobody's manually soldering a tqfp-64.
641059;1398373097;asciilifeform;(not that it can't be done, but nobody on the planet will do it for $20.)
641060;1398373135;fluffypony;asciilifeform: have you seen this - http://elm-chan.org/docs/wire/wiring_e.html
641061;1398373137;fluffypony;:-P
641062;1398373142;asciilifeform;sure.
641063;1398373158;mike_c;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJAByNlfkyE
641064;1398373166;asciilifeform;once again, virtually anything can be done under a good microscope, with steady hands
641065;1398373175;fluffypony;anyway, I can get him to hop on here and you can have a chat to him and see
641066;1398373176;asciilifeform;it's simply that it's a bitch
641067;1398373187;asciilifeform;fluffypony: sure, let's, i appreciate the effort
641068;1398373278;fluffypony;oh he's on freenode already
641069;1398373278;fluffypony;[22:59:59] nextime signed on at 21 April 2014 at 10:35:57 PM SAST and has been idle for 39 minutes, 43 seconds
641070;1398373281;fluffypony;I've pinged him
641071;1398373339;mike_c;that video is impressive (to me).  i couldn't do that.
641072;1398373370;fluffypony;mike_c: I don't have the steady hands
641073;1398373402;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0695839 = 0.2088 BTC [-]
641074;1398373430;asciilifeform;mike_c: http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/laser/new.png
641075;1398373441;asciilifeform;mike_c: hand. messy. but worked
641076;1398373453;asciilifeform;this isn't how it's normally done, though, one applies paste and reflows.
641077;1398373481;mike_c;his does look a little neater :)  but results are what counts.
641078;1398373486;asciilifeform;('paste' is a substance with roughly the appearance and consistency of toothpaste, with small solder globules suspended.)
641079;1398373630;Naphex;gn o/
641080;1398373647;fluffypony;night Naphex
641081;1398373690;mircea_popescu;;;later tell heysteve https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459438537163538432 cuz i gotta do all the work around here
641082;1398373691;gribble;The operation succeeded.
641083;1398373731;mircea_popescu;<davout> fluffypony: mastercard opposed bitinstant's card, and they also opposed ours when we wanted to issue one in partnership with aqoba << or that's what auoba told you, anyway.
641084;1398373769;mircea_popescu;!up Sorcier_FXK
641085;1398373769;assbot;Voicing Sorcier_FXK for 30 minutes.
641086;1398373798;davout;mircea_popescu: how would it make any sense for aqoba to take us as client and somehow make up some lie about mastercard being anti-bitcoin?
641087;1398373803;Sorcier_FXK;thx
641088;1398373825;davout;the guys made money from custom debit cards
641089;1398373843;mircea_popescu;((testing footnotes plugin!)) << fail
641090;1398373891;ThickAsThieves;i left it in just for you
641091;1398373907;mircea_popescu;davout you ever were a client of anyone else before ?
641092;1398373953;davout;please, do explain your reasoning
641093;1398374000;fluffypony;http://www.sunnyskyz.com/uploads/2014/01/xty1s-phteven-funny.jpg
641094;1398374011;mircea_popescu;mike_c> did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc?  nethash is booming. << what's it yet ?
641095;1398374029;mike_c;next diff change suggest 2 THs
641096;1398374049;mircea_popescu;o.O
641097;1398374092;mircea_popescu;<bounce> apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement? << yeah lol. this is "pr" according to teh vc circus.
641098;1398374193;mircea_popescu;davout suppose your isp decides not to put optic fiber in your neighbourhood becauise you're all faggot gypos there and they don't like you.
641099;1398374211;mircea_popescu;sop you call support and are explained that well... they can't put fiber there because they can't push the light uphill.
641100;1398374213;mircea_popescu;all good.
641101;1398374245;mircea_popescu;what your provider claim, on its own, is not worth two shits.
641102;1398374256;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06955678 = 0.2087 BTC [-]
641103;1398374306;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: over here, this traditional reply usually comes with a five, six (usd) figure quote for running the fiber. (add insult to injury)
641104;1398374406;mircea_popescu;anyway, if Me llamo Sara y me apasiona la tecnología shows up, voice her and treat her nice. ima go fuck around.
641105;1398374448;davout;mircea_popescu: suppose it'd make actual economical sense to pull the fibre up to where you live, and suppose also that the whole business model of your internet provider is putting fibre in shitty neighborhoods because that's what they do
641106;1398374479;fluffypony;!up nextime
641107;1398374479;assbot;Voicing nextime for 30 minutes.
641108;1398374487;fluffypony;asciilifeform, meet nextime
641109;1398374490;fluffypony;nextime meet asciilifeform
641110;1398374492;nextime;hi all
641111;1398374529;*;nextime is reading about cardano
641112;1398374607;thestringpuller;;;gettrust nextime
641113;1398374608;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user nextime: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=nextime | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nextime | Rated since: never
641114;1398374611;thestringpuller;lol
641115;1398374657;nextime;yeah! \o/ i'm virgin :D
641116;1398374760;asciilifeform;!up nextime
641117;1398374760;assbot;Voicing nextime for 30 minutes.
641118;1398374838;nextime;asciilifeform can we talk here in public or you prefer in query?
641119;1398374845;asciilifeform;nextime: only here.
641120;1398374852;nextime;asciilifeform : ok, as you prefer
641121;1398374857;asciilifeform;nextime: what would you like to know?
641122;1398374871;asciilifeform;nextime: do take the trouble to read the published material first.
641123;1398374873;fluffypony;asciilifeform: this is the guy re: the PCB stuffing
641124;1398374879;fluffypony;sorry should've clarified that
641125;1398374885;asciilifeform;fluffypony, nextime - ok
641126;1398374888;nextime;asciilifeform : fluffypony say me you are searching for pcb builder that is low cost, right?
641127;1398374926;asciilifeform;nextime: there is already a source for the pcb per se; but i'm shopping around for assemblers.
641128;1398374927;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06953299 = 0.2781 BTC [-] {3} 
641129;1398374967;asciilifeform;nextime: kitted or turnkey build, either, works
641130;1398375001;nextime;ok, great, my company basically do low batches production and prototypes, and then we do assembly for bigger batches ( and for bigger batches as usual we just build pcb with an external fab )
641131;1398375036;asciilifeform;nextime: i should probably specify that pcb is to be sent in (we already have a good working relationship with a pcb maker)
641132;1398375085;nextime;asciilifeform : not an issue at all
641133;1398375164;nextime;asciilifeform : so, maybe you can just drop  me an email with specifications and part list, so i can give you a quotation for assembly both in turnkey and kitted?
641134;1398375168;asciilifeform;nextime: let's try this. approx. quote for ~200 smt part count, smallest = 0805, one side.
641135;1398375174;asciilifeform;nextime: 50 units.
641136;1398375185;asciilifeform;nextime: kitted (we mail in parts and pcb)
641137;1398375217;asciilifeform;i'd like a ballpark figure, incl. NRE.
641138;1398375232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00095456 = 7.541 BTC [-]
641139;1398375294;nextime;asciilifeform : how many unique parts?
641140;1398375355;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1712 @ 0.00007514 = 0.1286 BTC [-]
641141;1398375377;asciilifeform;nextime: ~40.
641142;1398375426;nextime;on 50 pieces we are ~ at 20$ each
641143;1398375441;asciilifeform;no tooling fee?
641144;1398375451;asciilifeform;and what would be the turnaround time?
641145;1398375495;nextime;for 20$ in a week, tooling fee if we will have a continued relationship isn't an issue
641146;1398375533;asciilifeform;nextime: if we will have a continued relationship << this can't really be promised until the fee is paid and results delivered, can it.
641147;1398375537;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 794 @ 0.0001296 = 0.1029 BTC [-]
641148;1398375630;nextime;asciilifeform : of course, but i can bet on my quality :) really, tooling isn't a real cost for us, many assembly company charge tooling cause they wan't to have low batches, we live with low batches
641149;1398375631;nextime;:)
641150;1398375650;asciilifeform;nextime: i'd really appreciate a ballpark estimate.
641151;1398375746;nextime;asciilifeform : for tooling? as i say, nothing. We usually choose to absorb this cost hoping to get fidelity, as is a little cost in real.
641152;1398375796;asciilifeform;ok now we're cooking.
641153;1398375842;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06954 = 0.1391 BTC [+]
641154;1398375843;asciilifeform;unit has through-hole parts. how are these handled?
641155;1398375903;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06981505 = 0.3491 BTC [+] {2} 
641156;1398375915;nextime;for through-hole parts we work by hands actually ( we are a small company as i say )
641157;1398375926;asciilifeform;ok
641158;1398375964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8453 @ 0.00095537 = 8.0757 BTC [+] {2} 
641159;1398375964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00452378 = 0.2488 BTC [-] {3} 
641160;1398376025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 24 @ 0.00838979 = 0.2014 BTC [+] {6} 
641161;1398376026;asciilifeform;nextime: what do you require for a kitted build (e.g. minimal tape lengths for smt parts, what format for the pick'n'placer)
641162;1398376208;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.009 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2} 
641163;1398376308;nextime;asciilifeform : if you give me an email i will send you as soon as tomorrow ( is holyday tomorrow in italy, but i'm a stakanovist and i will be in laboratory ) i will send you a pdf with all specifications of our requirements
641164;1398376343;nextime;( sorry for the delay in my answers, i'm doing some multitasking things with my childs at home actually )
641165;1398376435;jborkl_;ma che vuoi?
641166;1398376448;jborkl_;only Italian I know
641167;1398376463;nextime;rotfl
641168;1398376511;nextime;jborkl_ : a little bit better than my english :)
641169;1398376569;jborkl_;I have a Swiss friend here who teaches me a little time to time
641170;1398376578;fluffypony;!up nextime
641171;1398376578;assbot;Voicing nextime for 30 minutes.
641172;1398376657;nextime;jborkl_ : so, let me say that in italy we usually say "che cazzo vuoi?" instead of "ma che vuoi?", a little bit more rude, but more common
641173;1398376695;jborkl_;ma che stai diciendo
641174;1398376704;nextime;"dicendo"
641175;1398376708;asciilifeform;nextime: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ea.png
641176;1398376710;jborkl_;oops
641177;1398376717;asciilifeform;nextime: please use pgp (my wot key)
641178;1398376726;nextime;asciilifeform: ok, i will
641179;1398376732;asciilifeform;nextime: thx
641180;1398376779;jborkl_;I will make sure to use that on him :) thx
641181;1398376827;nextime;jborkl_: so, let's get more rude again: use "che cazzo dici?" instead of "ma che stai dicendo?"
641182;1398376829;nextime;:D
641183;1398376843;jborkl_;excellent
641184;1398376875;jborkl_;we went and saw motogp and he was yelling when Rossi got cut off in Italin- pretty funny to ear
641185;1398376912;jborkl_;hear
641186;1398376958;nextime;lol, i can imagine what you mean :) Italian speakers on motogp and motor sports in general are... uhmmm... "funny"? :)
641187;1398377002;jborkl_;I can't understand anything, but you know when they are pissed off
641188;1398377122;nextime;ok, anyway, i must go back to my daddy role now, asciilifeform i will send you infos tomorrow ( as italy time ) after lunch when i will be in my laboratory
641189;1398377133;nextime;ciao!
641190;1398377655;ThickAsThieves;What was the website for SatoshiJack again?
641191;1398377668;ThickAsThieves;he told me ATC is working now
641192;1398377671;ThickAsThieves;but went away
641193;1398377679;ThickAsThieves;before i could respond
641194;1398377936;fluffypony;http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_PUTIN_INTERNET?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
641195;1398377956;fluffypony;"President Vladimir Putin on Thursday called the Internet a CIA project"
641196;1398378221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00095959 = 6.4772 BTC [+] {2} 
641197;1398378526;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06809901 = 0.5448 BTC [+]
641198;1398378705;ThickAsThieves;;;rate hanbot 2 Every rose has its thorn
641199;1398378707;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user hanbot has been recorded.
641200;1398378910;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583258.0
641201;1398378941;mircea_popescu;stakanovist hahaha
641202;1398378951;mircea_popescu;;;rate nextime 1 is a stahanovist!
641203;1398378952;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
641204;1398378968;mircea_popescu;;;later tell nextime get in the wot eh.
641205;1398378968;gribble;The operation succeeded.
641206;1398378998;mircea_popescu;fluffypony srsly dood, get teh noobs to wot.
641207;1398379021;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I will :)
641208;1398379033;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/24/my-role-in-s-mpif/
641209;1398379036;fluffypony;kakobrekla: that's actually quite interesting
641210;1398379049;kakobrekla;is it? i havent followed the link
641211;1398379063;fluffypony;they've been around for a year or so
641212;1398379072;fluffypony;and it's not free to list
641213;1398379081;fluffypony;let me see if I can find an article
641214;1398379085;fluffypony;here: http://www.wamda.com/2013/06/a-global-startup-stock-exchange-platform-just-launched-is-it-a-good-bet-for-arab-startups
641215;1398379088;mircea_popescu;<jborkl_> only Italian I know << what, no rottinculo, no disgraziati, no nothing ?
641216;1398379104;fluffypony;costs about $5 500 for a company to list
641217;1398379114;fluffypony;and there are several stages including due dilligence
641218;1398379139;fluffypony;I'm not sure if them adding Bitcoin as a funding option will draw much interest from the BTC community tho
641219;1398379165;kakobrekla;ah they do fiat scams instead?
641220;1398379174;moiety;i just did this stupid quiz thing and i kid you not http://i.imgur.com/yqI6Qr2.png
641221;1398379193;fluffypony;kakobrekla: spot on
641222;1398379264;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves satoshijack.com no ?
641223;1398379297;mircea_popescu;"I wanted to share this new exciting news with you all. The Startup Stock Exchange (SSX) is now the first investment platform through which Bitcoins can be used to invest in companies!"
641224;1398379302;mircea_popescu;brilliant. he forgot biggest
641225;1398379310;kakobrekla;and best.
641226;1398379313;fluffypony;and AMAZING!
641227;1398379320;fluffypony;awwww :(
641228;1398379325;fluffypony;assbot: amazing?
641229;1398379325;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
641230;1398379374;mircea_popescu;moiety want a pea ?
641231;1398379423;mircea_popescu;anyway, when i see all these exciting news "we" teams, all i can think is
641232;1398379424;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/a842f850681fd26dd0d873c9053a2c3a/tumblr_n3snyhqT6y1qdlh1io1_400.gif
641233;1398379447;moiety;a pea?
641234;1398379506;mircea_popescu;well what do tiny turles eat
641235;1398379526;BingoBoingo;Pizza?
641236;1398379529;kakobrekla;this one is quite awsum too
641237;1398379531;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.0
641238;1398379535;kakobrekla;still fresh
641239;1398379537;moiety;amd strawberries!
641240;1398379548;moiety;and*
641241;1398379553;mircea_popescu;kako lemme show you a magic :
641242;1398379553;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=583262.0
641243;1398379580;mircea_popescu;"Why is your opportunity unique?
641244;1398379580;mircea_popescu;The UK is the world's 6th largest economy, but so far they have no bitcoin exchange."
641245;1398379582;mircea_popescu;fuckwit.
641246;1398379586;kakobrekla;the readability of the .ly is worse :\
641247;1398379589;mircea_popescu;so far we can't be bothered to do our research
641248;1398379623;Apocalyptic;wasn't nefario's exchange in UK ?
641249;1398379635;mircea_popescu;exactamundo
641250;1398379658;mircea_popescu;phantomcircuit aka strateman aka bitcoin consultancy, intersangro etc
641251;1398379680;Apocalyptic;wait, how is phantomcircuit involved in this ?
641252;1398379735;mircea_popescu;who do you think wrote that famed script that emailed the entire userbase the emails of the entire userbase ?
641253;1398379741;mircea_popescu;and where was this happening ?
641254;1398379755;mircea_popescu;phantomcircuit did it, on the previous first best & largest uk exchange.
641255;1398379763;mircea_popescu;cca 2011
641256;1398379790;fluffypony;kakobrekla: "The remainder will be kept in reserves to pay for monthly costs, such as the data center." - they have an entire data center to pay for, yo
641257;1398379791;Apocalyptic;I see
641258;1398379822;kakobrekla;i also love this part:
641259;1398379825;kakobrekla;>What about the casino?
641260;1398379825;kakobrekla;Multibet.io is a work in progress, but is another source of income for our company. You will also receive profits from this.
641261;1398379827;kakobrekla;--
641262;1398379835;fluffypony;of cors
641263;1398379850;mircea_popescu;why is .io so popular with bitcoin scams & retarded noobs ?
641264;1398379854;mircea_popescu;do they allow anon regs or some shit ?
641265;1398379857;Apocalyptic;kako, reads to me like we'll be doing all sorts of shits, because another income
641266;1398379866;kakobrekla;its short and still free
641267;1398379880;kakobrekla;free as in not taken, not not costing any $
641268;1398379883;asciilifeform;occurred to me that you can usually tell at a glance which people experience a twinge of physical pain when spending someone else's money, and which ones don't.
641269;1398379892;asciilifeform;'gotta pay for... data center'
641270;1398379896;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "And that's pretty much the thing in a nutshell." "Generally..." "Basically..." dude you sound moonstruck.
641271;1398379948;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Maybe that is the public impression I want to deliver. I mean I let herbi think I was a bot for a good while.
641272;1398379960;mircea_popescu;lol
641273;1398379964;mircea_popescu;maybe it is.
641274;1398379996;mircea_popescu;poor herbi, he had a good idea but not so good carry through
641275;1398380005;mircea_popescu;mebbe next time.
641276;1398380008;kakobrekla;Apocalyptic what do you mean 'we' ?
641277;1398380075;Apocalyptic;kako, the "we" of their post obviously
641278;1398380091;mircea_popescu;overheard in my room "I broke my lip on your cock!"
641279;1398380123;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: better than the other way around.
641280;1398380128;kakobrekla;ah ok then, i thought i signed something that was not aware of for a sec
641281;1398380150;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'Мы �мерику догнали. По надо�м молока, � по м��у мы от�тали: Хуй �ломал�� у быка.'
641282;1398380366;mircea_popescu;lol
641283;1398380386;asciilifeform;(hruschev era. naturally)
641284;1398380435;mircea_popescu;"And a couple days later I became MP's ATC trader."
641285;1398380447;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dude, at the time you were atc trading already for a day or two
641286;1398380479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1445 @ 0.00095722 = 1.3832 BTC [-]
641287;1398380483;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: At the time I battled herbi I was trading my own ATC
641288;1398380489;mircea_popescu;usure ?
641289;1398380505;BingoBoingo;Fairly sure. Herbi was trading your ATC.
641290;1398380513;BingoBoingo;Then he lost it.
641291;1398380523;mircea_popescu;nah he never got atc from me.
641292;1398380529;BingoBoingo;Oh.
641293;1398380620;BingoBoingo;Well, the herbi stuff was over the 13th and 14th. It wasn't until later I became your trader (but not much later)
641294;1398380826;asciilifeform;'when it comes to milk, we're even with america, at last; as for meat, they're still the leader - our bull broke his cock, alas.'
641295;1398380829;asciilifeform;(translation mine)
641296;1398380887;mircea_popescu;Feb 14 03:12:12 the herbi argument you quote | Feb 15 10:41:31 <mircea_popescu>pankkake pls to pay to BingoBoingo 100k atc, let's see what he can do.
641297;1398380891;mircea_popescu;so right you are.
641298;1398380941;mircea_popescu;"we caught up with the us on milk ; we're behind on meat, our bull's cock [is] broke"
641299;1398380962;asciilifeform;well sure, but i like rhyming transl.
641300;1398380994;asciilifeform;you lot are free to volunteer better one.
641301;1398381032;mircea_popescu;you call at last / alas a rhyme ?
641302;1398381037;asciilifeform;bah.
641303;1398381045;asciilifeform;to criticise is to volunteer.
641304;1398381056;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't even have noticed it's trying to be had you not said so :D
641305;1398381064;asciilifeform;lol
641306;1398381073;artifexd;Regarding SatoshiJack, https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/8980-multi-crypto-multiplayer-blackjack-html5/ says that the site is http://satoshijack.com/ or http://just-blackjack.com/
641307;1398381084;artifexd;Both of which are currently down.
641308;1398381088;asciilifeform;let's try this one
641309;1398381093;mircea_popescu;;;later tell satoshijack sites down ?
641310;1398381093;gribble;The operation succeeded.
641311;1398381117;asciilifeform;'Полюбила � Хрущева, / Вышла замуж за него. / Оказало�ь, вме�то ху� / Кукуруза у него.'
641312;1398381128;mircea_popescu;ahahaha него ftw.
641313;1398381149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6932 @ 0.00095444 = 6.6162 BTC [-] {2} 
641314;1398381157;mircea_popescu;i fell for hruschev and married him / turned out his cock was a cobb
641315;1398381172;asciilifeform;aye, but anybody can do that.
641316;1398381181;mircea_popescu;pfff
641317;1398381202;asciilifeform;incidentally, this art form is curiously absent in the anglo world.
641318;1398381204;mircea_popescu;kukuruza, btw, is almost as lulzy as lenina
641319;1398381209;asciilifeform;where's the obama version.
641320;1398381242;mircea_popescu;There was once a great storm / Which moved the White House to the desert of Sahara
641321;1398381264;mircea_popescu;A bedouin lost in the desert stumbled on the lawn / Obama assured him that if he likes his water,
641322;1398381268;mircea_popescu;He can have his water.
641323;1398381272;asciilifeform;lel
641324;1398381291;mircea_popescu;want the kicker ?
641325;1398381302;mircea_popescu;"but it doesn't rhyme" "white rhyme, suka"
641326;1398381315;asciilifeform;lolz
641327;1398381516;asciilifeform;just had the thought, nobody else in this ch. likes languages ?
641328;1398381542;phf;fell in love with mr. krushchev / but the marrige was a flop / on our wedding night discovered / that his penis was a cobb
641329;1398381551;*;asciilifeform claps
641330;1398381553;mircea_popescu;phf hey pretty good
641331;1398381619;phf;that's preserving the original derevensky rhythm :)
641332;1398381659;ThickAsThieves;what's a cobb?
641333;1398381660;mircea_popescu;o btw, to note down the 2nd kicker in my thing, for they who do not speak russki :
641334;1398381667;mircea_popescu;suka does not stand for sucker, but for bitch.
641335;1398381674;mircea_popescu;;;google corn cobb
641336;1398381675;gribble;Corncob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corncob>; Corn on the cob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_on_the_cob>; How To Boil Corn On The Cob - What's Cooking America: <http://whatscookingamerica.net/Vegetables/BoilingCorn.htm>
641337;1398381681;asciilifeform;thought everybody knew that at this point
641338;1398381690;ThickAsThieves;well i assumed corn cob
641339;1398381694;ThickAsThieves;but wasnt sure
641340;1398381700;ThickAsThieves;cuz two b's
641341;1398381719;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no but the symmetry see ? white/white for liberals/normal ppl, mirrored in the suka/suka for english/russian
641342;1398381750;mircea_popescu;also! what's seven days without a pun make one ?
641343;1398381771;ThickAsThieves;weak
641344;1398381782;mircea_popescu;hehe
641345;1398381798;mircea_popescu;seven days w/o a pun make one week
641346;1398381828;mircea_popescu;#bitcoin-assets-and-language-abuse
641347;1398381859;ThickAsThieves;already have my first wordpress problem... fml
641348;1398381870;ThickAsThieves;comment isnt showing after being approved
641349;1398381883;ThickAsThieves;does he need to confirm his account or sumth?
641350;1398381913;asciilifeform;'�ам хотели запретить / По �той улице ходить. / Стены каменны пробьем - / По �той улице пройдем. / � вы, запретители, / ху� не хотите ли?'
641351;1398381919;asciilifeform;(re: bans on btc, etc)
641352;1398381946;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves the one on the recent comments ?
641353;1398381951;mircea_popescu;maybe you're set not to display trackbacksa
641354;1398381976;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that makes no sense.
641355;1398381979;ThickAsThieves;ah it may be a trackback, not a regular comment
641356;1398381988;mircea_popescu;so built a wall along street to restrict walking...
641357;1398382003;asciilifeform;nah
641358;1398382096;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Prolly a trackback from my post
641359;1398382134;asciilifeform;loosely: 'they a ban for us decreed / for to keep us from this street / we shall move aside stone blocks / on this street we'll take our walks'
641360;1398382138;ThickAsThieves;yep
641361;1398382138;mircea_popescu;"This suggests focusing on robustness, as opposed to prediction, because the system works against rational expectations, especially those consensus ideas that come out of large bureaucracies. After all, what better sufficient statistic for a mimic to exploit than some well-known regulatory bullet point that supposedly ensures trivial risk? Recessions are not going away; they are endogenous because zero mimicry is not a
641362;1398382138;mircea_popescu;n equilibrium among insects, reptiles, or humans. Expect more unexpected recessions, just not real soon, and not in subprime housing."
641363;1398382141;asciilifeform;last stanza exercise for alert reader
641364;1398382144;ThickAsThieves;i'm a noob i guess
641365;1398382150;mircea_popescu;this fucking article explains both why ycombinator is such a shitpile
641366;1398382161;mircea_popescu;and why the majority of "actors" in "business" hate my and my model
641367;1398382177;mircea_popescu;i'm exactly the opposite of a bureaucracy, fucking impredictible by design
641368;1398382228;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: See, before the quoted interaction with herbi there would have been zero or less reason to propose I be your altcoin trader, whereas herbi had been pimping his 1337 quant skills and fx hobby.
641369;1398382248;mircea_popescu;i see.
641370;1398382262;thestringpuller;damn dark souls II is out...
641371;1398382272;thestringpuller;i haven't even beaten dark souls yet
641372;1398382278;thestringpuller;da fuq did the time go?
641373;1398382286;ThickAsThieves;to GTA?
641374;1398382299;thestringpuller;dark souls came out in 2011
641375;1398382308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.52312269 = 3.6619 BTC [-] {5} 
641376;1398382335;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Up to then there had never really been any solid indication of this chan that I might have some potential for trading prowess, at least not until I took herbi's house, car, wife, and dingo
641377;1398382349;BingoBoingo;Making two profits in the process
641378;1398382358;ThickAsThieves;such modesty and grace
641379;1398382368;mircea_popescu;lol yeah. poor dingo.
641380;1398382452;BingoBoingo;herbi at the time lsot what was all of his declared BTC
641381;1398382536;BingoBoingo;One of my favorite parts of the thing was the spread ran roughly from 400 satoshis to 100 satoshis, and he though settling around 100 satoshis would be a bad thing. Low and behold since x-bt opened 100-200 satoshis has been the norm.
641382;1398382539;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it wasn't ever a very high amt or anything.
641383;1398382547;BingoBoingo;No it wasn't
641384;1398382574;BingoBoingo;But at million dollar BTC, that's a new Dodge challenger with racing stripes he lost.
641385;1398382576;thestringpuller;;;later tell mod6 young jeezy july 12th Detroit...
641386;1398382576;gribble;The operation succeeded.
641387;1398382655;mircea_popescu;notrly.
641388;1398382686;mircea_popescu;that'd be the case if there existed no spot. as it is, he lost 50 bux or w/e the spot was
641389;1398382830;BingoBoingo;Sure. But if we value the BTC on the benkay principle that it is never worth parting with, it holds. Now with the sinking Patrick Harnet only cost 500 BTC or $2500, sure. This continutes to the mysticism surrounding BTC prices.
641390;1398382859;BingoBoingo;At the time herbi mess up there still kind of was a reliable-ish spot.
641391;1398382918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9155 @ 0.0009568 = 8.7595 BTC [+]
641392;1398382979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4095 @ 0.00095788 = 3.9225 BTC [+]
641393;1398383040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52109887 BTC [-]
641394;1398383148;phf;asciilifeform: they wanted to forbid / walking down this street. / we'll smash the concrete walls / we'll march down the block / you, forbaders, /    suck a cock!
641395;1398383162;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00470994 = 0.5181 BTC [+] {2} 
641396;1398383163;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51780273 BTC [-]
641397;1398383223;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 109 @ 0.00471 = 0.5134 BTC [+]
641398;1398383463;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/economic-cycles-finally-explained/
641399;1398383544;ThickAsThieves;"really have the intellectual ability to indentify"
641400;1398383551;ThickAsThieves;nevermind
641401;1398383555;ThickAsThieves;no
641402;1398383557;ThickAsThieves;its wrong
641403;1398383558;ThickAsThieves;hehe
641404;1398383624;mike_c;trilema feature request: why do i have to go to secret page to login?  having the cookie form on the 'fee' page would be nice.
641405;1398383672;mircea_popescu;mike_c aite.
641406;1398383681;mike_c;i'm trying to make more friends today by nitpicking everyone's work.
641407;1398383718;mircea_popescu;what, you do this with others, too ?
641408;1398383725;mircea_popescu;I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL
641409;1398383726;mike_c;i tried on kako before.
641410;1398383736;mike_c;he told me to piss off
641411;1398383754;mircea_popescu;kako is not user friendly like i am
641412;1398383799;kakobrekla;:\
641413;1398383853;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves what's wrong ?
641414;1398383854;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla is plenty user friendly. He just isn't luser friendly.
641415;1398383859;BingoBoingo;Like the Cardano.
641416;1398383904;mircea_popescu;slander.
641417;1398383923;ThickAsThieves;indentify
641418;1398383933;ThickAsThieves;unless you are making up words
641419;1398383950;BingoBoingo;Well, of course kakobrekla manufacters the best slander. It works so good it makes itself right.
641420;1398383955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13004 @ 0.00095193 = 12.3789 BTC [-] {5} 
641421;1398383956;BingoBoingo;!t h cog
641422;1398383957;assbot;[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.00497602 / 0.00763533 / 0.01098941 (455 shares, 3.47407316 BTC), 7D: 0.00413010 / 0.00731819 / 0.01098941 (1171 shares, 8.56960097 BTC), 30D: 0.00030000 / 0.01165576 / 0.08800000 (3024 shares, 35.24702191 BTC)
641423;1398384008;ThickAsThieves;mp did you see preston's retort? it's like a text version of the baby-with-mirror gif http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/21/that-didnt-take-long/
641424;1398384016;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06835246 = 0.3418 BTC [+]
641425;1398384025;ThickAsThieves;TLDR = No u!
641426;1398384067;kakobrekla;bb dude have you read that thread, jesus fuck.
641427;1398384090;ThickAsThieves;the preston dude is offensively oblivious
641428;1398384174;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves no, is it any good ?
641429;1398384183;mircea_popescu;mike_c you now get a link off "cookie". good enuff ?
641430;1398384195;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: The part where they finally liquidate after a bunch of "no u" back and forth between Gar and Goat
641431;1398384220;mike_c;ah, yes.  good enuff.
641432;1398384243;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves heh wd.
641433;1398384367;kakobrekla;im not even sure what they are doing
641434;1398384375;kakobrekla;its like monthy python on drugs
641435;1398384383;kakobrekla;and real.
641436;1398384415;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1795538/plain/)
641437;1398384415;mircea_popescu;!b 3
641438;1398384436;mircea_popescu;the stones from the earth have spoken through the kako
641439;1398384504;mircea_popescu;bashed 102 quotes with 4440 votes < this is like.. not bad is it.
641440;1398384553;kakobrekla;srs, look at this, must be preserved;
641441;1398384555;kakobrekla;--
641442;1398384556;kakobrekla;Quote from: Garr255 on April 21, 2014, 10:30:18 PM
641443;1398384556;kakobrekla;Cognitive Mining LLC is no longer liable for any past or present action or involved in the management of this project in any way. It is fully within the rights of Cognitive Mining LLC to find a new operator and resign.
641444;1398384557;kakobrekla;--
641445;1398384569;kakobrekla;what is this even
641446;1398384583;BingoBoingo;No one knows except the people who shouldn't
641447;1398384607;mircea_popescu;it looks like they're announcing a new bitcoin credit card
641448;1398384610;mircea_popescu;imo
641449;1398384620;kakobrekla;lol
641450;1398384732;artifexd;;;rate hanbot 1 vital part of my education
641451;1398384733;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded.
641452;1398385245;ThickAsThieves;yknow this auth shit frustrates when paired with a crash
641453;1398385436;Duffer1;a ~20min grace would be nice
641454;1398385440;Duffer1;if possible
641455;1398385502;BingoBoingo;It already has a 2-3 minute grace
641456;1398385754;BingoBoingo;http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/04/18/the_future_of_war_25_you_better_be_ready_to_fight_like_its_a_pre_electronic_age
641457;1398386151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5408 @ 0.0009501 = 5.1381 BTC [-] {3} 
641458;1398386761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10298 @ 0.00094989 = 9.782 BTC [-]
641459;1398387043;BingoBoingo;jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579498.0
641460;1398387127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06963114 = 0.6963 BTC [+] {2} 
641461;1398387188;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00094851 = 11.4295 BTC [-]
641462;1398387327;BingoBoingo;http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/23/bitcoin-needs-a-new-logo/
641463;1398387333;mircea_popescu;!up vcorem
641464;1398387333;assbot;Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes.
641465;1398387488;BingoBoingo;Preston has so much derp http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/22/the-ballad-of-doug-the-dao-part-1-time-to-stop-thinking-like-an-engineer/
641466;1398387603;mircea_popescu;"The U.S. Air Force, for example, no longer trains navigators in celestial sightings,"
641467;1398387604;mircea_popescu;holy shit.
641468;1398387650;BingoBoingo;Yeah, but... sounds right based of whisperings.
641469;1398387690;BingoBoingo;The ground pounders seem to still be getting well versed in the arts of map and compass, but for the rest...
641470;1398387759;mircea_popescu;this reads to me like "the us cook force no longer trains sauce chefs in flour-and-oil saucing"
641471;1398387761;BingoBoingo;Then there's the accident by which a fuel tanker and crew were lost because control systems failed. The crew was done in though by a lack of parachutes which had been recently removed.
641472;1398387764;mircea_popescu;well what the fuck then
641473;1398387894;mike_c;this preston jackass strikes me as a rebirth of dr foreskin.  not worth even getting riled up over, and yet he manages to get under my skin with his herp derp.
641474;1398387904;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
641475;1398387905;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 496.2, Best ask: 496.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 496.41, 24 hour volume: 8131.92029418, 24 hour low: 480.0, 24 hour high: 505.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.566399614
641476;1398387922;mircea_popescu;mike_c do you like zappa ?
641477;1398387948;mike_c;i don't really know him
641478;1398387968;BingoBoingo;Well the US defense posture goes back to the comments here where the challenges of an actual invasion of the US are discussed in terms of some areas having too many hillbillies to hold for an invader http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/
641479;1398387983;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZHa0_W8PD8 that's the song.
641480;1398388062;mircea_popescu;ow fuck. no, wrong one. this is it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQQOhwL7nkM
641481;1398388101;mike_c;i was getting into disco boy :) i like it.
641482;1398388114;mircea_popescu;Don't know much about dancin' that's why I got this song
641483;1398388114;mircea_popescu;One of my legs is shorter than the other 'n both my feet's too long
641484;1398388114;mircea_popescu;'Course now right along with 'em I got no natural rhythm
641485;1398388114;mircea_popescu;But I go dancin' every night hopin' one day I might get it right
641486;1398388136;mircea_popescu;I hear that beat; I jump outa my seat but I can't compete, cause I'm a dancin' fool, I'm a dancin' fool
641487;1398388146;BingoBoingo;The greatest problem with the movie Red Dawn is that no sane invader of the US would spend more effort than necessary to hold the Rockie Mountains than that necessary to cripple command structures there.
641488;1398388152;mircea_popescu;When they see me comin' they all step aside
641489;1398388155;mircea_popescu;They has a fit while I commit my social suicide,
641490;1398388156;mircea_popescu;etc.
641491;1398388177;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i don't imagine anyone would be invading the us.
641492;1398388196;mircea_popescu;just you know, sink all its cruisers and impose a massive war reparations programme.
641493;1398388229;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: In the next 100 to 500 year someone might want to use Kansas as their own breadbasket.
641494;1398388236;mircea_popescu;why ?
641495;1398388247;mircea_popescu;just tax the locals.
641496;1398388287;BingoBoingo;See this is the genius of Putin in Crimea and the enablement of US golden toilets all rolled into one.
641497;1398388314;BingoBoingo;Putin could have crimea and Eastern Ukraine because the people already favor Russia.
641498;1398388327;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmAqdKJCUAAHdzf.jpg << dat michelle ass.
641499;1398388340;BingoBoingo;However if 1000 hillbillies with rifles oppose their own government over cows...
641500;1398388347;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7652 @ 0.00094896 = 7.2614 BTC [+] {2} 
641501;1398388351;BingoBoingo;What luck do the Chinese have
641502;1398388408;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1848 @ 0.00095066 = 1.7568 BTC [+]
641503;1398388415;BingoBoingo;The same thing that gives Putin his good fortune enables America's golden toilets thus.
641504;1398388473;BingoBoingo;The entire world is Italy.
641505;1398388726;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/804/obama-will-mention-bitcoin-before-2015/#c2845a << re this, kakobrekla or anyone with the data ready, what's the average duration for bitbet bets ?
641506;1398388742;jurov;BingoBoingo they don't necessarily favor Russia, they know well who Putin is
641507;1398388757;jurov;but they will be made to favor it any way necessary
641508;1398388799;BingoBoingo;jurov: Well, no one is offered a perfectly selection of choices.
641509;1398388857;BingoBoingo;What enables or prohibits aggression for territory, is not tanks fighter jets, or nukes but the williness or lack thereof to accept certain kinds or sources of governance.
641510;1398388881;mircea_popescu;let me interject something related i was just happening to read. a bit of a paste :
641511;1398388915;mircea_popescu;This stickiness of the Semitic languages supports a speculation: by the 7th Century there had to be many pockets in the Western Mediterranean of Punic-Canaanite speakers, about a thousand years after the fall of Carthage. Falling under Roman rule did not turn the population into Latin speakers (only for scholarly purposes, say Saint Augustine of Hyppo; we have much evidence of diglossia in the Levant, of the use of a l
641512;1398388915;mircea_popescu;anguage at home and for oral communication that is different from the language of writing, and doing so for 1000 years). And there had to be plenty of Semitic language speakers; just follow placenames from Carthage to Ramatuelle in France near Saint Tropez (ramat el means hill of God in both Canaanite and Hebrew). Even Marseilles seems to come from Marsa, port in Canaanite (and not from Massilia the Roman name since th
641513;1398388918;mircea_popescu;e Romans did not make names, but transcribed them). I estimate that the third of the coastal villages spoke Semitic dialects. The modus of the Phoenicians was network, hence a system of trade links built on trust (you send merchandise to a relative who pays you back; you needed a certain amount of trust before the letter of credit). The region is large: it extends all the way to Mogador on the Atlantic coast.
641514;1398388923;mircea_popescu;This explains the mystery of the effortless Arab invasion of the Southern and Western Mediterranean, all the way to Spain (and, less advertised, the Portuguese Algarve). They had to be welcomed by the local population along the coast. Canaanite and Arabic are easily mutually comprehensible (the distance between Semitic languages is very short, a corrollary of the stability thanks to the triplet of consonnants). And it
641515;1398388928;mircea_popescu;is wasy for a Punic speaker to progressively become an Arabic speaker, since he already knows 80-90% of the vocabulary.
641516;1398388931;mircea_popescu;This also gives some credibility to the thesis that was popping up in the 19th century that the North African Jews had a Phoenician origin (or that the difference between Canaanite and Jew before the rabbinical period was not very pronounced for p
641517;1398388937;mircea_popescu;( http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/notebook.htm, taleb's article)
641518;1398389211;BingoBoingo;!up aadeseye
641519;1398389211;assbot;Voicing aadeseye for 30 minutes.
641520;1398389217;BingoBoingo;!up vcorem
641521;1398389217;assbot;Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes.
641522;1398389258;mircea_popescu;so BingoBoingo, war may simply be that : dating.
641523;1398389278;kakobrekla;85 days
641524;1398389294;mircea_popescu;who are the hillbillies going to support ? bigus dickus, the roman bureaucrat ?
641525;1398389300;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Of course it is. Diplomacy is also dating. Governance is a different thing though. Marriage.
641526;1398389301;mircea_popescu;jesus, the local nut ?
641527;1398389312;BingoBoingo;Usually the local nut.
641528;1398389316;mircea_popescu;putin the redbeard, the norwegian rapist cum invader ?
641529;1398389323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1164 @ 0.00094851 = 1.1041 BTC [-]
641530;1398389326;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla ty!
641531;1398389350;mircea_popescu;do you also sleep ?
641532;1398389379;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/embed/zPGb4STRfKw << bigus dickus
641533;1398389381;BingoBoingo;The hill billies always support the local nut, or the regional nut they can identify with
641534;1398389384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00094837 = 10.5269 BTC [-]
641535;1398389534;kakobrekla;90 if you include the time from closing to resolution
641536;1398389557;kakobrekla;;;ud sleep
641537;1398389557;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sleep | You have been awake for 18 hours and are now viewing this useless definition of sleep. You are very tired and your brain is not functioning at its ...
641538;1398389582;kakobrekla;srsly someone planted that there eh
641539;1398389596;kakobrekla;next time ill rather google.
641540;1398389663;BingoBoingo;The wife is called Incontientia
641541;1398389682;mircea_popescu;incontinentia buttocks
641542;1398389693;BingoBoingo;Lol phrasing
641543;1398389748;BingoBoingo;.bait
641544;1398389750;ozbot;http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8732uiP5v1r6bw5mo1_1280.png
641545;1398389824;BingoBoingo;http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20810638,00.html
641546;1398389825;ozbot;Justin Bieber Detained by Customs at Los Angeles Airport - Crime & Courts, Justin Bieber : People.co
641547;1398389835;mircea_popescu;shot ruined by panties srsly.
641548;1398389882;random_cat;wut benkay
641549;1398389914;BingoBoingo;Yeah, in other news, elmo acquitted http://gawker.com/ex-elmo-voice-actor-kevin-clash-cleared-of-sexual-abuse-1567240733
641550;1398390006;mircea_popescu;im sure the practicak difference between acquittal and conviction is less than the difference between his life pre and post that nonsense.
641551;1398390058;BingoBoingo;For sure
641552;1398390064;BingoBoingo;In still continued news http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/24/us/colorado-marijuana-fourth-graders/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29
641553;1398390355;BingoBoingo;Also a case of If you can You must http://gawker.com/school-agrees-to-stop-pumping-kids-full-of-mountain-dew-1567173577
641554;1398391273;BingoBoingo;!up jborkl_
641555;1398391273;assbot;Voicing jborkl_ without time-limit.
641556;1398391336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00094776 = 10.5201 BTC [-] {2} 
641557;1398391521;mircea_popescu;http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/04/20/ryanryans-31565/images/full/03.jpg
641558;1398391526;mircea_popescu;check out that awful titjob
641559;1398391696;ThickAsThieves;0O
641560;1398391859;BingoBoingo;That's like liver and stomach boobs. Missed the chest by quite a bit
641561;1398391908;BingoBoingo;Chicago http://deadspin.com/the-cubs-400-pound-wrigley-cake-is-sitting-in-a-dumpste-1567177257
641562;1398392007;ThickAsThieves;nonsensical derpitude
641563;1398392010;BingoBoingo;Also the left hand path http://regressing.deadspin.com/can-you-predict-if-your-kid-will-throw-left-handed-1552111458/+kylenw
641564;1398392031;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Whatever, you aren't getting any of my insider info.
641565;1398392164;ThickAsThieves;"he researchers indeed discovered that left-handedness, like schizophrenia, was highly associated with being conceived in May or June " yknow this has always been my theory of how zodiac traits were started
641566;1398392183;BingoBoingo;I also swear deadspin might be the only Gawker enterprise worth saving.
641567;1398392214;ThickAsThieves;seasonal effects on mother, child, and the people influencing the child
641568;1398392269;BingoBoingo;Eh, I'm right handed but left eye dominant. Sometimes I'm clumsy, but that is usually just distilled rather than beyond the grave spirits at work.
641569;1398392273;ThickAsThieves;also in my own experience many of the crazies i met that are also smart are left-handed
641570;1398392292;cazalla;BingoBoingo: interesting article - my son is 14 weeks ATM, is favouring his left hand when grabbing for things yet no left handers in my family although my father is schizophrenic as was my grandfather and my uncle
641571;1398392321;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Well, teach him to throw a baseball and save his economic future.
641572;1398392324;ThickAsThieves;my brother favored his left hand but my dad basically "corrected" him out of it
641573;1398392344;mircea_popescu;speaking of may and june, check this shit out :
641574;1398392348;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/804/obama-will-mention-bitcoin-before-2015/#c2849
641575;1398392350;ozbot;BitBet - Obama will mention Bitcoin before 2015
641576;1398392358;mircea_popescu;the may-june-july hole
641577;1398392384;Duffer1;in case anyone has some scorn they need to let out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581995.0
641578;1398392388;Duffer1;Adeally
641579;1398392409;cazalla;mircea_popescu: didn't Obama already mention it last year albeit off the cuff remark questioning he needed to worry about it or not
641580;1398392416;ThickAsThieves;do those stats also conveniently map to bubbles?
641581;1398392417;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: What I gather is that SEO spammers can't spec interesting bets
641582;1398392419;cazalla;if*
641583;1398392429;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves maybe. was there a bubble last summer ?
641584;1398392437;ThickAsThieves;april
641585;1398392444;BingoBoingo;No, last summer was a slump
641586;1398392464;ThickAsThieves;maybe it's an indicator!
641587;1398392470;BingoBoingo;$100-80 until the rally to the millenial value
641588;1398392473;ThickAsThieves;correlation = causation!
641589;1398392529;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: The discussion usually centers around “politeness“, because the mimics don’t really have the intellectual ability to identify, nor the ethical fiber to enunciate the real problem << reminds me:
641590;1398392530;ThickAsThieves;i think low bet submissions being topical is enough to change the tide
641591;1398392543;asciilifeform;paging herr naggum!
641592;1398392544;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3243007932071437@naggum.no.html
641593;1398392545;ozbot;Re: Bohr's way - Naggum cll archive
641594;1398392550;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244958379944187@naggum.no.html
641595;1398392551;ozbot;Re: Difference between LISP and C++ - Naggum cll archive
641596;1398392583;asciilifeform;(ignore the thread titles, these were strictly psychiatric ruminations, nothing to do with programming computer)
641597;1398392593;ThickAsThieves;ascii thats good stuff
641598;1398392595;ThickAsThieves;"It has been my experience that it is strongly related to competence, but
641599;1398392595;ThickAsThieves;competence is related to some method of measurement of your success at
641600;1398392595;ThickAsThieves;what you try to do.  If you work in a field where you cannot distinguish
641601;1398392595;ThickAsThieves;between good or bad, where everything is someone's "personal opinion" and
641602;1398392595;ThickAsThieves;nobody has any right answers, that just /has/ to be destructive for your
641603;1398392595;ThickAsThieves;self-confidence. "
641604;1398392608;ThickAsThieves;basically my epitaph in marketing industry
641605;1398392665;cazalla;http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/wolff/2013/10/27/ceos-are-often-clueless-about-technology/3182203/ so Obama aware of Bitcoin in October of last year, wonder if that increases odds of meeting bet criteria
641606;1398392694;BingoBoingo;The most exciting treatise on politics Gawker has ever hosted http://deadspin.com/pine-tar-should-be-fully-legal-and-baseball-is-still-f-1567100538
641607;1398392802;ThickAsThieves;"The reason we didn't like it was because it was so 'in your face.' If he had been a little more discreet with it nothing would have ever been said."
641608;1398392803;ThickAsThieves;lol
641609;1398392816;BingoBoingo;Truth
641610;1398392840;BingoBoingo;Everything is legal so long as you wait until the contest is over to flaunt it
641611;1398392853;ThickAsThieves;even the commenters that think they get it don't
641612;1398392862;ThickAsThieves;"Totally agree that it should be legal. In the mean time, Pineda really just needs to get better at this. I mean, he should realize that he is being watched after the last incident, there has to be a better place to put pine tar than on your neck. Just learn to cheat better."
641613;1398392901;ThickAsThieves;everyone talking about how he should have cheated
641614;1398392907;ThickAsThieves;not whether
641615;1398392920;BingoBoingo;I mean the writer cam to the wrong conclusion. It should still stay "banned" but discretion is the first step towards sophistication.
641616;1398392951;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, ThickAsThieves, other players of baseball - is the tar considered a cheat because it gives actual advantage? or merely not part of the regulation game?
641617;1398392964;ThickAsThieves;assimilate or eliminate is my motto
641618;1398392971;ThickAsThieves;if elimination is not possible,
641619;1398392976;ThickAsThieves;assimilation is mandatory
641620;1398393006;ThickAsThieves;as in, they obv cant totally stop people from using it
641621;1398393011;ThickAsThieves;therefore allow them to use it
641622;1398393022;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Tar for pitchers is considered a forbiden necessity. For batters it is completely acceptable.
641623;1398393028;BingoBoingo;Also http://deadspin.com/does-your-favorite-team-suck-at-keeping-an-efficient-pa-1567366582
641624;1398393034;asciilifeform;elaborate on the 'forbidden necessity'
641625;1398393045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3482 @ 0.00094846 = 3.3025 BTC [+] {2} 
641626;1398393055;asciilifeform;similar to, say, steroids?
641627;1398393066;ThickAsThieves;basically people are superstitious that picthers can do magical things when using tar
641628;1398393068;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's use is necessary to master the craft, but exposing it is a faux pas.
641629;1398393084;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Different from steroids in that the results are more quantifiable.
641630;1398393090;ThickAsThieves;pitchers argue its only to prevent totally losing the ball into ttghe crowd
641631;1398393105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3818 @ 0.00095492 = 3.6459 BTC [+]
641632;1398393138;ThickAsThieves;the answer is probly in the middle
641633;1398393152;ThickAsThieves;baseball is very traditional though
641634;1398393176;BingoBoingo;Steroids do little in baseball beyond decreasing the time to recover from injury and maybe adding a bit of power. Doctoring a ball though is nearly essential for a pitcher to excel.
641635;1398393245;BingoBoingo;Basically there are reasons it is mostly aging hitters taking steroids, but every pitcher is doctoring the ball.
641636;1398393310;ThickAsThieves;has anyone done useful research about pitching with tar?
641637;1398393322;BingoBoingo;(This sidesteps the part where all of the good batters have ADHD diagnoses because amphetamines are the best performance enhancer for a batter)
641638;1398393337;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Not for your budget.
641639;1398393345;ThickAsThieves;?
641640;1398393350;ThickAsThieves;my budget?
641641;1398393352;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what kind of diagnoses do, e.g. marathon runners get? anemia?
641642;1398393380;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Yes. Marathoners get anemia. Hockey players get various autoimmune diagnoses.
641643;1398393396;BingoBoingo;To justify constant anti-inflammatory drugs
641644;1398393401;asciilifeform;lol
641645;1398393414;asciilifeform;what disease should one contract as, say, chess player ?
641646;1398393428;BingoBoingo;That probably would be ADHD again.
641647;1398393448;BingoBoingo;And is the reason many high level players don't want to see olympic chess.
641648;1398393467;asciilifeform;i thought this was because FIDE wanted to ban coffee
641649;1398393474;BingoBoingo;That too.
641650;1398393478;mircea_popescu;the se;f confidence thing sounds just like greenspun's problem
641651;1398393480;asciilifeform;(who'll play after this!?)
641652;1398393497;BingoBoingo;But the distinction between leaded and unleaded coffee isn't caffinated vs. decaf.
641653;1398393507;mircea_popescu;cazalla well, if he had or hadn't, still has to be in bet interval. wasn't like a "first time" or anything
641654;1398393514;asciilifeform;leaded coffee!
641655;1398393534;ThickAsThieves;lol forumite says to me "What would it possibly take for you to remove the negative trust you left me?"
641656;1398393545;BingoBoingo;It was rumored that in baseball clubhouses leaded vs. unleaded was how they refered to amphetamine spiked coffee
641657;1398393557;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what does tar do ?
641658;1398393580;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It affects grip and the aerodynamics of the ball.
641659;1398393626;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: And this is baseball so there are nearly as many balls spent in the game as outs.
641660;1398393626;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: amphetamine isn't magic. see:
641661;1398393628;asciilifeform;http://yarchive.net/med/nootropics.html
641662;1398393629;ozbot;Nootropics ("smart drugs") (Steven B. Harris, M.D.)
641663;1398393639;asciilifeform;mandatory reading for the 'better living through chemistry' aficionados.
641664;1398393647;mircea_popescu;this is what, tar like on their hands ? like oil ?
641665;1398393653;asciilifeform;tldr - engineering tradeoffs of self-medication
641666;1398393654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00094732 = 9.9469 BTC [-]
641667;1398393749;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Pine tar. So the sticky stuff pine leaks basically. Batters use it to not throw the bat into the crowd. Pitchers use it to add precision to the point they release the ball.
641668;1398393751;ThickAsThieves;it's sticky
641669;1398393768;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Those exist indeed.
641670;1398393773;mircea_popescu;oic
641671;1398393784;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: analogous to flying jet on 'afterburner'
641672;1398393812;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Or rocket with boosters. The sauce only provides benefits for so long.
641673;1398393830;mircea_popescu;afterburners are a pain in most situations tho. much less precision
641674;1398393881;BingoBoingo;Well afterburners is amphetamine. Pine tar is whatever makes a plane more responsive, engineered instability or whatever
641675;1398393898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0698999 = 0.3495 BTC [+]
641676;1398393911;mircea_popescu;amusingly, i think pine tar is... amphetamine
641677;1398393931;mircea_popescu;funny how that wraps.
641678;1398393960;asciilifeform;i can hardly think of pine tar without tasting in my head that crap the greeks drink.
641679;1398394009;BingoBoingo;Well, it is not an incredibly simple mapping.
641680;1398394047;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo but the one thing that makes the plane "more responsive" is spiking the pilot.
641681;1398394072;BingoBoingo;Of course. It is better though if both the pilot and plane are spiked.
641682;1398394112;asciilifeform;one can easily think of the design boundaries here (spiked fellow in ww1 sopwith, vs 'clean' one in modern jet)
641683;1398394136;asciilifeform;basic boojum here is, however, 'first ecstacy, then laundry'
641684;1398394143;BingoBoingo;Pine tar is spiking the plane (The F-16, a wily old pitcher) amphetamine is spiking the pilot (B-2 crews, Barry Bonds)
641685;1398394147;asciilifeform;as described by steve harris
641686;1398394154;BingoBoingo;lol
641687;1398394388;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Your link on nootropics reminds me of why the alcohol/caffine combination is my prefered and only regular combination from that toolset.
641688;1398394406;mircea_popescu;"If you /are/ the majority and I am in the minority, how could you possibly believe that I have not already and many years ago figured out exactly how you guys work?  If you had the brain to do it, this would be a grave insult, but you do not think ahead.  You do in fact not think at all, because the things you say can only be uttered by a mind closed shut long ago."
641689;1398394409;mircea_popescu;lelz
641690;1398394452;BingoBoingo;The only big error with the link is that nicotine is not *cholinergic* at all
641691;1398394462;BingoBoingo;Nicotine is nicotinic
641692;1398394489;BingoBoingo;Works on its own subset of the acetycholine responsive system while ignoring others.
641693;1398394495;asciilifeform;;;google nicotinic acetylcholine receptor
641694;1398394496;gribble;Nicotinic acetylcholine receptor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinic_acetylcholine_receptor>; Acetylcholine receptor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcholine_receptor>; Nicotinic agonist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinic_agonist>
641695;1398394542;asciilifeform;pediwikia will have to suffice for now
641696;1398394557;BingoBoingo;And the literature reveals nicotine excites some, but not all cholinergic receptors.
641697;1398394565;asciilifeform;sure
641698;1398394590;*;asciilifeform flashbacks to old day job
641699;1398394591;mircea_popescu;no he has a point, calling it cholinergic is a ridiculous approximation.
641700;1398394596;mircea_popescu;might as well call busses "avionic"
641701;1398394600;asciilifeform;lul
641702;1398394608;mircea_popescu;well... they're kinda similar.
641703;1398394642;asciilifeform;the little plane that goes to timis. from germany is astoundingly bus-like.
641704;1398394644;BingoBoingo;Well, think of dopamine (which the pharmacologically illerterate posit fuels all addiction)
641705;1398394691;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.069975 = 0.4199 BTC [+] {2} 
641706;1398394694;BingoBoingo;There are different dopamine agonists and antagonists that don't all hit the same types of dopamine receptors
641707;1398394738;mircea_popescu;dude i love this chan. i shall now write yet another great trilema article on the basis of shit i ran into here.
641708;1398394742;BingoBoingo;And of the major addictive drugs of abuse only cocaine and amphetamines hit any type of dopamine receptor primarily
641709;1398394753;mircea_popescu;and i'm not gonna give stan any more credit than i gave benkay either
641710;1398394774;asciilifeform;one of the things i used to do is model action of oximes (as an antidote to anticholinergics)
641711;1398394782;BingoBoingo;If dopamine for its own sake was the desired effect, junkies would skip heroin and just eat L-DOPA and broadbreans
641712;1398394800;asciilifeform;and this always gave me sad thoughts about how a very similar mechanism could probably be used to zap 'tolerance' to, e.g. caffeine
641713;1398394815;asciilifeform;but It Would Be Wrong (TM)
641714;1398394844;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: And I sat through literally 2/3rds of the PharmD curiculumn, half of it twice. But as a TA so I get no credit for having done such a thing.
641715;1398394850;asciilifeform;eat L-DOPA and broadbreans << nope. kinetics are 90% of the fun
641716;1398394854;asciilifeform;as you probably know.
641717;1398394874;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Kinetics are huge.
641718;1398394879;asciilifeform;consider why cocainistas snort, inject - never eat
641719;1398394892;BingoBoingo;Poor first pass metabolism
641720;1398394904;BingoBoingo;isn't economical to eat.
641721;1398394936;BingoBoingo;With L-Dopa the Blood Brain Barrier plays a role, but convulsions play a bigger one
641722;1398395017;BingoBoingo;Nicotine is the perfect model of an addictive drug because tremendous excess is tolerated by the peripheral neurons, but its absence after tolerance raises holy fucking hell.
641723;1398395048;mircea_popescu;holy fucking hell my foot.
641724;1398395059;mircea_popescu;it raises the most minor of inconveniences conceivable.
641725;1398395076;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: In the accultured. As opposed to the occasional
641726;1398395099;mircea_popescu;people just conveniently pretend like their experiences matter out of all proportion.
641727;1398395107;BingoBoingo;Sure.
641728;1398395119;mircea_popescu;do an experiment where you get shocked at a modest 48 volts at random intervals on average 8 times a second.
641729;1398395127;mircea_popescu;for you know, nine weeks.
641730;1398395139;BingoBoingo;Imma prolly miss the shocks.
641731;1398395146;asciilifeform;you can buy a convenient instrument for this.
641732;1398395147;mircea_popescu;in your teeth.
641733;1398395151;asciilifeform;at dog shops
641734;1398395160;mircea_popescu;now that's an inconvenience. not fucking nicotine deprivation.
641735;1398395184;asciilifeform;teeth? what'd you have? the fabled 'radio amalgam' ?
641736;1398395194;mircea_popescu;just sayin'.
641737;1398395209;mircea_popescu;get a special bed rigged where you get pricked with a pin. all the time. somewhere.
641738;1398395221;BingoBoingo;Well, you have to consider what receptor is involved at the intersection of skeletal muscle and the neuro
641739;1398395235;mircea_popescu;or forget that even. just a sm
641740;1398395250;mircea_popescu;simple programme of... load crates 16 hours a day. every day.
641741;1398395256;mircea_popescu;or dig ditches or w/e.
641742;1398395288;BingoBoingo;Now we're getting to common ground
641743;1398395314;mircea_popescu;after six weeks of that, the choice is never smoke again and never have to crate it up again
641744;1398395316;mircea_popescu;or both.
641745;1398395322;mircea_popescu;suddenly the hot fucking hell is like...
641746;1398395338;BingoBoingo;16 hours of lifting arbitrary things about nicotine cessation for the habituated
641747;1398395363;mircea_popescu;arbitrary things over 30lbs
641748;1398395413;BingoBoingo;Over 15lbs even, if we are going arbitrary and 16 hours, 5-15 lbs, The unpredictability of load has value.
641749;1398395441;mircea_popescu;30 to 60.
641750;1398395447;mircea_popescu;good enough
641751;1398395513;BingoBoingo;Keep in mind my experiences prolly don't map onto to many others. I'm missing 1/2 to 3/4 the D2 receptors most people have in the general population)
641752;1398395539;mircea_popescu;anyway. i'm kinda up to here with the smoking addiction thing. i've been smoking since ~16. that's two decades ago. i still smoke, i average a pack a month. prolly less these days. it takes all the willpower of a tomato as far as i can tell, it's never bothered me.
641753;1398395556;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo:  I'm missing 1/2 to 3/4 the D2 receptors << where'd you misplace them?
641754;1398395565;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform bad divorce.
641755;1398395568;asciilifeform;lol
641756;1398395588;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Back when 23andme made medical declarations I spit in a tube. Apparently I am part A-Rab
641757;1398395657;BingoBoingo;I guess because the gene was TAQ something or other
641758;1398395670;asciilifeform;my first guess was MPTP.
641759;1398395677;BingoBoingo;Nah
641760;1398395706;asciilifeform;;;google Barry Kidston MPTP
641761;1398395707;gribble;MPTP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPTP>; Opiophilia: The Frozen Addicts: A Cautionary Tale: <http://opiophilia.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-frozen-addicts-cautionary-tale.html>; Heroin, MPTP, and the key to Parkinson's Disease - Everything2.com: <http://everything2.com/title/Heroin%252C+MPTP%252C+and+the+key+to+Parkinson%2527s+Disease>
641762;1398395758;BingoBoingo;I'm familiar with MPTP induced parkinsons from reading.
641763;1398395772;asciilifeform;better than from practice!
641764;1398395785;BingoBoingo;Parkinsons is more a D-1 and D-3 thing though.
641765;1398395789;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [+] {2} 
641766;1398395833;BingoBoingo;I have an admitedly odd neurology. I throw a baseball right handed but have to shoot the rifle left handed.
641767;1398395983;BingoBoingo;My left eye tremendously overpowers the right, but my right hand tremendously has dexterity over the left.
641768;1398396087;BingoBoingo;In practice this works great for watching porn because different halves of my brain can be watching porn vs. jacking me off, a perfect stranger
641769;1398396129;asciilifeform;wetware DMA ?
641770;1398396144;BingoBoingo;More like SCSI.
641771;1398396150;asciilifeform;lol
641772;1398396157;BingoBoingo;Terminators and all
641773;1398396165;asciilifeform;this has potential for good sf story mindfuck
641774;1398396186;asciilifeform;folks in the Dark Future of Hello Kitty (TM) splitting their brain, so they can literally (in their head) fuck themselves.
641775;1398396189;BingoBoingo;I also throw a bowling ball with alternating hands given situations favorable to one side or the other's strengths
641776;1398396258;BingoBoingo;The only people IRL on OL with similar issues were notorious epileptics so I guess being more functional than that is a plus.
641777;1398396340;BingoBoingo;For all I actually know maybe I am more addicted to menthol than nicotine
641778;1398396396;asciilifeform;shouldn't be hard to find out which, no?
641779;1398396399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.512005 = 1.024 BTC [-] {2} 
641780;1398396427;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Especially hard since 23andme conceded medicine to MObama
641781;1398396444;BingoBoingo;The beautiful thing is this doesn't much matter.
641782;1398396460;asciilifeform;i meant, by taking only one and see what happens
641783;1398396521;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 481 @ 0.00444549 = 2.1383 BTC [-] {14} 
641784;1398396526;BingoBoingo;There are some practical restrictions. Like my preference for menthol cigarettes.
641785;1398396557;BingoBoingo;Next thing you know I will forsake N.W.A. for Sheryl Crow
641786;1398396647;BingoBoingo;Also I can't threaten incapacitating my self that much lest BTC/AtC goes to hell
641787;1398396671;asciilifeform;where's it now?
641788;1398396779;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It is well within the specs I set when I raped herbi and his wife's future.
641789;1398396794;BingoBoingo;Between 100 and 200 satoshis
641790;1398396802;asciilifeform;i now confess that i missed what was herbi and wife
641791;1398396831;asciilifeform;some bozo invested his fortune in atc ?!?
641792;1398396835;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The conversation is attached to here http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/24/my-role-in-s-mpif/
641793;1398396854;BingoBoingo;He invested little. It seemed to be a small portion of his anything.
641794;1398396871;asciilifeform;so how'd this constitute a zapping of future?
641795;1398396876;BingoBoingo;You were at points in the conversation.
641796;1398396881;asciilifeform;lol i was wasnt i
641797;1398396890;asciilifeform;prob. on autopilot
641798;1398396898;BingoBoingo;Read on, you saw it the first time.
641799;1398396953;BingoBoingo;He sought to seed microstructures, but every order he entered was like my betting green in roulette and hitting.
641800;1398396979;asciilifeform;lel
641801;1398396997;mircea_popescu;<BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: It is well within the specs I set when I raped herbi and his wife's future. << dude srsly.
641802;1398397004;mircea_popescu;suppose you actually do something like that one day.
641803;1398397009;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
641804;1398397021;mircea_popescu;what are you going to say, "herp", because you already used the proper expression in april 2014 ?
641805;1398397033;mircea_popescu;gotta save yourself some cake.
641806;1398397056;asciilifeform;'dynamic range'
641807;1398397070;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0325 = 0.1625 BTC [-] {2} 
641808;1398397102;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Prolly. Cake comes and goes. I might hammer out consistent gains, but probably never again over a bid-ask pread of 4 times
641809;1398397121;BingoBoingo;(spread so deep it lost a consanant)
641810;1398397270;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i re-read that thing. maybe it'd make sense to me with strong drink.
641811;1398397283;asciilifeform;as it is i'm tuned to wrong frequency, perhaps
641812;1398397287;benkay;;;later tell decimation i did indeed and would be pleased to help you do the same although i'm sure you can figure it out
641813;1398397288;gribble;The operation succeeded.
641814;1398397339;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well I mentioned this in another post, but it goes back to baseball. Who carries half of a ptcher's success and why?
641815;1398397388;*;asciilifeform reviews piece on baseball in '93 issue of 'наука и жизнь'
641816;1398397436;*;asciilifeform lives in usa since '92 and needs to do this
641817;1398397451;BingoBoingo;Normally the answer is the catcher calling pitches, as a great catcher is a slightly better source of entropy than the batter
641818;1398397530;BingoBoingo;This exists as an exact why for bitches loving Yadier Molina.
641819;1398397610;BingoBoingo;Though on the same team and Albert Pujols becoming a legend first, this is the exact machanism that made Pujols fungible with Carlos Beltran et al. while Molina was and is irreplaceable.
641820;1398397644;asciilifeform;anyone here other than BingoBoingo - gets this?
641821;1398397688;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo works as scholar of sport? a referee?
641822;1398397710;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Consider the game of chess vs. the game of artillery.
641823;1398397741;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+]
641824;1398397762;BingoBoingo;In chess there is a tremendous advantage to anticipating lines your opponent might try to put forth.
641825;1398397789;BingoBoingo;Where as in artillery the goal is to hit the target first.
641826;1398397791;asciilifeform;vs where?
641827;1398397839;BingoBoingo;Well, a pitcher to get an out either has to throw three strikes or get the hitter to put the ball in a location favorable to one of their fielders.
641828;1398397855;BingoBoingo;Multiple attempts are a necessity
641829;1398397865;BingoBoingo;No less than three.
641830;1398397881;BingoBoingo;Vs. artillery where the opponent merely needs to hit you once
641831;1398397908;asciilifeform;perhaps in msdos game 'scorched earth', where each side gets one cannon.
641832;1398397947;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Actually I am thinking the Apple II version, but yes, that artillery game
641833;1398398026;benkay;<mircea_popescu> and i'm not gonna give stan any more credit than i gave benkay either << wot ch2 omission smarted
641834;1398398038;BingoBoingo;Otherwise we could suppose infinite shitty alternate artillery games where one side produces a grunt who climbs a hill and stabs the cannon to death.
641835;1398398043;mircea_popescu;benkay hm ?
641836;1398398062;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'paratrooper'
641837;1398398082;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: lol.
641838;1398398082;asciilifeform;http://image.dosgamesarchive.com/screenshots/paratrooper.gif
641839;1398398084;benkay;mircea_popescu: dun think i got any credit for popping the recent sybils.
641840;1398398107;mircea_popescu;no credit for you!
641841;1398398116;benkay;used to it
641842;1398398120;benkay;'s why i'm in mgmt these days
641843;1398398153;benkay;(marginally)
641844;1398398163;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Reminds me of a conundrum. Every US Infantry officer gets the chance at ranger school after graduation, but many officers deployed to ostentiably infantry assignments will not be infantry officers.
641845;1398398303;BingoBoingo;Afghanistan fucks all empires
641846;1398398311;BingoBoingo;Because Italy
641847;1398398393;BingoBoingo;By Italy I mean classic Italy, anyone born more than two barns from you and your goats is a foreigner
641848;1398398693;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If you want a shortcut to understanding baseball the 2011 world series game six and 2012 StL vs. Washington NLDS game five paired with the 2013 NLCS makes a nice summary of the entire contemporary game
641849;1398398766;BingoBoingo;Narrative: Innexplicable offense, still moar inexplicable offense, dissapointement by regression to the mean.
641850;1398398839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00094742 = 13.0744 BTC [+] {3} 
641851;1398398853;BingoBoingo;benkay: Am I representing 'Murican infatuation with baseball fairly?
641852;1398398901;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03201 = 0.3201 BTC [-]
641853;1398399067;BingoBoingo;Poor assbot, the BTC-TC collapse has kept it so quiet
641854;1398399128;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker
641855;1398399130;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 469.95, Best ask: 469.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 469.96, 24 hour volume: 13964.55874092, 24 hour low: 469.96, 24 hour high: 505.0, 24 hour vwap: 487.558581229
641856;1398399144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0703 = 0.3515 BTC [+]
641857;1398399146;ThickAsThieves;the sky, it's at my feet!
641858;1398399232;benkay;BingoBoingo: couldn't say i'm a rebel cascadian hiding in the hills
641859;1398399249;benkay;BingoBoingo: were we to lay out diamonds we'd get insta-zapped by drones
641860;1398399266;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0704 = 0.1408 BTC [+]
641861;1398399410;benkay;so uh amazon
641862;1398399428;BingoBoingo;benkay: Well befor I realized my mammal vexation was an actual mouse what remedies did I Spz?
641863;1398399430;benkay;oh wizards of high finance and running companies - what the fuck is up with amazon?
641864;1398399456;benkay;pardon, BingoBoingo ?
641865;1398399458;BingoBoingo;benkay: Amazon burns all the capital, because growth.
641866;1398399470;benkay;it can't be that simple
641867;1398399475;BingoBoingo;benkay: May be a couple logs ago
641868;1398399499;benkay;BingoBoingo: moisin, do i recall?
641869;1398399538;BingoBoingo;benkay: Mosin was one option, some sks variant was another with the particular variant left in the air, so long as it wasn't chinese
641870;1398399555;benkay;rifles vs drones?
641871;1398399595;BingoBoingo;Nah, vs. "mice"
641872;1398399611;BingoBoingo;Shoe took care of "mice" which was an actual mouse
641873;1398399632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0075 = 0.1425 BTC [+]
641874;1398399634;BingoBoingo;Bitch to scrape off of the floor, but... learning
641875;1398399695;benkay;BingoBoingo: is amazon burning the capital? the party line is that they're reinvesting it.
641876;1398399744;benkay;i haven't looked at the actual books but i'm imagining that each spend on one side is balanced by an acquisition on the other. maybe just of engineering time, but w/e.
641877;1398399754;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0715 = 0.286 BTC [+]
641878;1398399891;BingoBoingo;benkay: As best as I can tell with Amazon is that they have done nothing other than reinvest in their history. Like the Poker Player who doubled down 21 times in  row and won.
641879;1398400425;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0321 = 0.321 BTC [+]
641880;1398400669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 24 @ 0.50897936 = 12.2155 BTC [-] {8} 
641881;1398400791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.0009493 = 22.8781 BTC [+] {3} 
641882;1398400913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0715 = 0.3575 BTC [+]
641883;1398401096;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.071999 = 2.016 BTC [+]
641884;1398401211;BingoBoingo;http://io9.com/wwii-propaganda-billboards-from-the-united-states-secre-1567145725
641885;1398401211;ozbot;WWII Propaganda Billboards From The United States' Secret Atomic City
641886;1398401279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.071999 = 0.216 BTC [+]
641887;1398401337;BingoBoingo;Mysteries I want in a blog post, Benkay, why did you ever stop trolling me after my return to -assets
641888;1398401340;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.071999 = 0.144 BTC [+]
641889;1398401401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.0075 = 0.165 BTC [+]
641890;1398401645;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00095061 = 0.9506 BTC [+]
641891;1398401706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00094761 = 12.9823 BTC [-] {2} 
641892;1398402385;benkay;;;rate decimation 1 a fellow, i reckon.
641893;1398402386;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user decimation has been recorded.
641894;1398402407;benkay;BingoBoingo: what, you want me to perpetuate the mystery in a blog post or three? ;)
641895;1398402411;benkay;;;seen blackwhite
641896;1398402411;gribble;blackwhite was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 3 hours, and 55 seconds ago: <blackwhite> hola peeps
641897;1398402551;decimation;Why thank you sir
641898;1398402557;benkay;BingoBoingo: a few reasons.
641899;1398402575;decimation;;;rate decimation 1 gave me a hand
641900;1398402576;gribble;Error: You cannot rate yourself.
641901;1398402594;decimation;;;rate benkay 1 gave me a hand
641902;1398402595;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
641903;1398402598;decimation;I missed ;)
641904;1398402606;benkay;misfire!
641905;1398402621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.500001 BTC [-]
641906;1398402622;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 107 @ 0.00464986 = 0.4975 BTC [-] {3} 
641907;1398402631;benkay;a) i don't actually troll.
641908;1398402632;benkay;b)
641909;1398402652;benkay;b) you've got stuff 'twixt your ears that'll spill more easily if we're on good terms than ill.
641910;1398402685;benkay;c) make friends not enemies?
641911;1398402704;benkay;that's the short of it, BingoBoingo
641912;1398402743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.500001 = 1.5 BTC [-]
641913;1398402804;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5000001 BTC [-]
641914;1398402805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00468173 = 0.1311 BTC [+] {3} 
641915;1398402924;decimation;http://www.profitconfidential.com/real-estate-market/dead-cat-bounce-housing-market/
641916;1398402925;ozbot;Dead-Cat Bounce Over for the Housing Market?
641917;1398402933;decimation;In the first quarter of 2014, mortgage originations at Citigroup Inc. (NYSE/C) declined 71% from the same period a year ago. The bank issued $5.2 billion in mortgages in the first quarter of 2014, compared to $8.3 billion in the previous quarter and $18.0 billion in the first quarter of 2013. (Source: Citigroup Inc. web site, last accessed April 14, 2014.)
641918;1398402976;decimation;but the "recovery" is great guys, just some snow, no problems here
641919;1398402987;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.0009488 = 3.7003 BTC [+]
641920;1398403109;benkay;nice to have you back, decimation :)
641921;1398403180;benkay;i think it's time to go all cash, neh?
641922;1398403192;benkay;or at least balance hard in that direction.
641923;1398403194;decimation;re: amazon, I've heard it's a tough life working there.  Look at the glassdoor reviews: they cheapskate on everything.  Yeah, the salary is okay, but you better enjoy being on call
641924;1398403225;decimation;Well, of course cash sucks because no return, and inflation is biting at your heels
641925;1398403231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16060 @ 0.00095071 = 15.2684 BTC [+] {3} 
641926;1398403244;decimation;I suspect a large crash would signal another leg up for bitcoin though
641927;1398403414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.0047091 = 0.3014 BTC [+] {2} 
641928;1398403476;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00094757 = 13.7871 BTC [-] {3} 
641929;1398404143;benkay;kinda hoping to get the tax situation dialed before btc legs up
641930;1398404194;decimation;yeah you have to lock in those losses
641931;1398404202;benkay;asciilifeform: thanks for those naggum links.
641932;1398404212;benkay;decimation: ugh don't talk like that
641933;1398404455;benkay;decimation: if i burn all my bridges here, i'm moving up to seattle and working in the server mines for a year to reestablish my capital base.
641934;1398404577;decimation;heh well that's a plan I guess. It's honest work at least, keeping the internet goblins at bay
641935;1398404608;benkay;honest work
641936;1398404638;benkay;shipping finely spun plastic widgets that should never have been made to the herds who should never have been granted credit in the first place
641937;1398404644;benkay;honestly?
641938;1398404684;benkay;in one way or another i've been standing by and squirting grease on the thing since i was a bairn.
641939;1398404761;decimation;well, people "need" "their" "stuff"
641940;1398404787;benkay;i gotta decouple, man.
641941;1398404809;benkay;get out of this shithole somehow or make it tolerable until the us comes crashing down about my ears.
641942;1398404988;decimation;http://time.com/2742/nearly-half-of-america-lives-paycheck-to-paycheck/
641943;1398404990;ozbot;Nearly Half of America Lives Paycheck-to-Paycheck   - TIME
641944;1398405005;decimation;The CFED calls these folks ?liquid asset poor,? and its report finds that 44% of Americans are living with less than $5,887 in savings for a family of four. The plight of these folks is compounded by the fact that the recession ravaged many Americans? credit scores to the point that now 56% percent of us have subprime credit.
641945;1398405075;decimation;It's hard to see how amazon is going to keep exponential growth selling crap to indebted peasants
641946;1398405122;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49001 BTC [-]
641947;1398405123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00434629 = 0.2173 BTC [-] {3} 
641948;1398405165;Apocalyptic;amazon is not the only one with this business model
641949;1398405168;Apocalyptic;and far from it
641950;1398405183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.0009513 = 18.8357 BTC [+] {2} 
641951;1398405361;decimation;presuming that only %46 of Americans can qualify for a mortgage, it seems likely that a subset of that %46 will end up owning %100 of the homes
641952;1398405603;decimation;;;later tell mircea_popescu how does the idea of the Punishment Gazette interact with the common law idea of corporate personhood?   When you are wronged by an idiot employee, is it he who takes the hit on the WoT or his employer?
641953;1398405603;gribble;The operation succeeded.
641954;1398405645;mircea_popescu;decimation depends on the reaction of the corporation. if they fire him, him. if they don't, both.
641955;1398405691;decimation;This reaction being fully played for everyone in the WoT to judge, of course
641956;1398405793;mircea_popescu;well yes.
641957;1398405826;mircea_popescu;for instance recently : gigaom's atrociously mendacious coverage of bitcoin has put him on my blacklist.
641958;1398405837;mircea_popescu;he's a sort of max keiser, as far as i'm concerned.
641959;1398405863;decimation;one can see a business opportunity: summarize the gazette in a trustworthy manner, like a monk-scribe and not like a "journalist"
641960;1398405883;mircea_popescu;sure. it's one of the principal tasks mpoe-pr had
641961;1398406257;decimation;;;rate hanbot 1 freely published timely advice which triggered my exit from btct.co
641962;1398406258;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded.
641963;1398406302;decimation;;;rate mircea_popescu 1 publishes mentally stimulating content
641964;1398406303;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
641965;1398406331;decimation;and with that g'night
641966;1398406548;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/the-scum/ here, that is what you made me do.
641967;1398406548;mircea_popescu;ten thousand fucking words.
641968;1398406779;wywialm;good morning everyone
641969;1398406830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11520 @ 0.00095192 = 10.9661 BTC [+] {2} 
641970;1398406838;Apocalyptic;morning
641971;1398407013;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 400 @ 0.00084218 = 0.3369 BTC [+] {3} 
641972;1398407074;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49001 = 0.98 BTC [-]
641973;1398407135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.0009527 = 4.0966 BTC [+]
641974;1398407288;fluffypony;Apocalyptic: morning
641975;1398407291;fluffypony;wywialm: morning
641976;1398407562;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.4900067 = 1.47 BTC [-] {2} 
641977;1398407770;fluffypony;that Dunne Capital UK exchange-slash-casino thread got pretty hilarious (https://bitcointa.lk/threads/xcp-ipo-announcement-dunnecapital-ltd-uk-bitcoin-exchange-and-a-casino.304299/page-2)
641978;1398407830;fluffypony;I loved the comment by theMiracle - "Protip 4 U 2: Take it slow. Start off by snagging a few extra newspapers from a vending machine when u pay for one. Practice stealing rolls of toilet paper from public restrooms. Get the hang of the basics -- then you can come back to looting bitcoiners."
641979;1398407867;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00445 = 0.445 BTC [+]
641980;1398408111;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.032 = 0.128 BTC [-]
641981;1398408112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [+]
641982;1398408416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10032 @ 0.0009461 = 9.4913 BTC [-] {2} 
641983;1398408416;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07000302 = 7.0003 BTC [-] {4} 
641984;1398408782;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0322 = 0.161 BTC [+]
641985;1398411100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1194 @ 0.00084601 = 1.0101 BTC [+] {6} 
641986;1398411161;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 300 @ 0.00085 = 0.255 BTC [+]
641987;1398411527;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07197666 = 0.2159 BTC [+] {2} 
641988;1398411589;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0719989 = 0.792 BTC [+] {2} 
641989;1398411731;Naphex;;;ident
641990;1398411731;gribble;Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu
641991;1398412808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00094795 = 7.9154 BTC [+] {2} 
641992;1398413479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00094556 = 1.3711 BTC [-]
641993;1398413653;Naphex;morn
641994;1398413724;fluffypony;Naphex: morning
641995;1398414013;wywialm;good morning, Naphex
641996;1398414090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00094555 = 6.3352 BTC [-] {2} 
641997;1398414290;Naphex;morning to all, need more coffee:D
641998;1398414343;fluffypony;also
641999;1398414348;fluffypony;but our power is out
642000;1398414351;fluffypony;so guess that'll have to wait
642001;1398414760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.0009486 = 12.1421 BTC [+] {2} 
642002;1398414802;fluffypony;between the MrWDunne guy and DrGregMulhauser I'm seriously considering becoming SirFluffyPonyPhd on bitcointalk
642003;1398414813;fluffypony;feeling so left out without a title amongst all the Mr's and Dr's
642004;1398414998;HeySteve;good morning
642005;1398415037;HeySteve;fluffypony, I recommend a portable Honda generator like the EU20i
642006;1398415119;HeySteve;it's more than enough to run 2 PCs or fridge/freezer/kettle
642007;1398415213;fluffypony;seems to be back on now
642008;1398415214;fluffypony;I looked at that little honda a while ago, I should actually just get it
642009;1398415300;HeySteve;it's a bit pricy but the low weight is a plus
642010;1398415439;HeySteve;CCN editor scooped me on the China Ban #4 story
642011;1398415493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00094908 = 3.0845 BTC [+]
642012;1398416119;fluffypony;davout: bon matinée!
642013;1398416189;davout;fluffypony: ca roule?
642014;1398416196;davout;s/ca/ça/
642015;1398416285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.0009474 = 17.8111 BTC [-] {2} 
642016;1398416390;fluffypony;davout: ça marche!
642017;1398416458;davout;fluffypony: nah, that's "it works"
642018;1398416471;davout;you can just say "ça va", or "ça roule"
642019;1398416471;fluffypony;oh that's not what I was trying to say
642020;1398416477;fluffypony;French idioms elude me
642021;1398416480;fluffypony;French in general does
642022;1398416497;fluffypony;I'ma stick to Afrikaans and Zulu
642023;1398416507;davout;fluffypony: ja, dat werkt ook
642024;1398416514;fluffypony;heh heh
642025;1398416700;fluffypony;LOL - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579138.0
642026;1398416770;davout;"you can some and say Hi."
642027;1398416861;HeySteve;heh that gif says it all
642028;1398416871;fluffypony;my favourite is the logo in the last post
642029;1398417261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00094967 = 10.209 BTC [+] {2} 
642030;1398417993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9287 @ 0.00095254 = 8.8462 BTC [+] {2} 
642031;1398418176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.0009527 = 10.6226 BTC [+]
642032;1398418298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6382 @ 0.00094554 = 6.0344 BTC [-]
642033;1398418420;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0711 = 0.1422 BTC [-]
642034;1398418665;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.071999 = 0.288 BTC [+]
642035;1398419826;fluffypony;!up MrWDunne
642036;1398419826;assbot;Voicing MrWDunne for 30 minutes.
642037;1398419845;MrWDunne;Thank you DrFluffyPonyPhd
642038;1398419846;*;DrFluffyPonyPhd tips his fedora
642039;1398419855;DrFluffyPonyPhd;of course, my good fellow
642040;1398419867;DrFluffyPonyPhd;how goes the shower-cap-wearing Satan worshipper colleague of yours?
642041;1398419878;MrWDunne;It is you!
642042;1398419885;DrFluffyPonyPhd;nope
642043;1398419889;DrFluffyPonyPhd;I just know how to read
642044;1398419912;MrWDunne;I would imagine he is sleeping, he was being drilled with questions until about 5AM his time. Ah okay, should have guessed that one
642045;1398419939;DrFluffyPonyPhd;I know some other people who were being drilled until about 5am, just not with questions
642046;1398419952;MrWDunne;OPs mum?
642047;1398419974;DrFluffyPonyPhd;now now, we aren't THAT base here
642048;1398419992;MrWDunne;I presume I should never go full base
642049;1398420067;fluffypony;;;ident
642050;1398420068;gribble;Nick 'fluffypony', with hostmask 'fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be', is identified as user 'fluffypony', with GPG key id 7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, key fingerprint BDA6BD7042B721C467A9759D7455C5E3C0CDCEB9, and bitcoin address 1FAvFCgXBmJ4uV3p1NFzWkkyndH7FJ6Vzx
642051;1398420086;MrWDunne;Anyhow, I thought this would be an appropriate place to announce the IPO
642052;1398420114;MrWDunne;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.0 has the relevant information, essentially I am currently working on a UK bitcoin exchange
642053;1398420116;ozbot;[XCP] IPO announcement. DunneCapital LTD - UK bitcoin exchange and a casino
642054;1398420128;MrWDunne;Thank you ozbot
642055;1398420156;MrWDunne;FluffyPony I have sent you a tip for giving me a voice
642056;1398420160;fluffypony;Bitstamp is already in the UK?
642057;1398420165;fluffypony;oh tks
642058;1398420201;HeySteve;this place is becoming a real Dragon's Den, I'm thinking of writing something to that effect
642059;1398420211;fluffypony;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitstamp
642060;1398420211;ozbot;Bitstamp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
642061;1398420221;fluffypony;"The company initially operated in Slovenia, but moved its operations to the UK in April 2013"
642062;1398420225;MrWDunne;Bitstamp isn't really in the UK. Its mainland Europe and as such very expensive for those in the UK
642063;1398420241;MrWDunne;Its banking is in mainland Europe, we have a UK bank
642064;1398420247;MrWDunne;That is the primary difference
642065;1398420311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00094536 = 11.6752 BTC [-] {3} 
642066;1398420376;fluffypony;https://coinfloor.co.uk
642067;1398420379;fluffypony;like them?
642068;1398420382;MrWDunne;We have of course already secured the bank account
642069;1398420384;MrWDunne;No
642070;1398420388;MrWDunne;They have a polish bank account
642071;1398420392;MrWDunne;*Polish
642072;1398420401;MrWDunne;Its just denominated in GBP
642073;1398420433;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.492 BTC [+]
642074;1398420448;MrWDunne;In the UK we have "Faster Payments" which are free and instant bank transfers. CoinFloor take international wires which cost between £15 and £25 and take up to 5 days
642075;1398420524;MrWDunne;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster_Payments_Service
642076;1398420524;fluffypony;well SEPA to Kraken is same day, SEPA to BitStamp is a day at most
642077;1398420525;ozbot;Faster Payments Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
642078;1398420527;fluffypony;can't speak to CoinFloor
642079;1398420538;fluffypony;but sure, cost savings are great
642080;1398420564;fluffypony;except that if Kraken, Bitstamp, and CoinFloor all chose to have bank accounts outside of the UK (presumably not for lack of trying) how do you propose to overcome that hurdle?
642081;1398420574;MrWDunne;SEPA incurs a 3% hidden cost + £15. Also in the UK it doesn't normally take a day for a SEPA, more like 3.
642082;1398420601;MrWDunne;It was thanks to our main adviser we have the account. The banks are all turning everyone down however an exception was made essentially.
642083;1398420649;BingoBoingo;Let us not forget Intersango was a UK exchange
642084;1398420668;fluffypony;ok so if you're key differentiator is that you have a UK bank account, maybe that needs to be specified in your proposal
642085;1398420672;MrWDunne;Exactly
642086;1398420676;fluffypony;rather than "The UK is the world's 6th largest economy, but so far they have no bitcoin exchange"
642087;1398420681;fluffypony;that is factually incorrect
642088;1398420702;MrWDunne;Well there is no true UK bitcoin exchange, but yes I will make it more specific. One moment
642089;1398420722;BingoBoingo;GLBSE was a UK exchange, and that killed it along with the operator not taking it seriosly enough until it was too late
642090;1398420798;BingoBoingo;I honestly don't know if the English, Scottish, Welsh, or North Irish have it in them any more to run anything
642091;1398420805;BingoBoingo;!up Diablo-D3
642092;1398420805;assbot;Voicing Diablo-D3 for 30 minutes.
642093;1398420808;MrWDunne;And now he is trying to run coinfloor
642094;1398420817;MrWDunne;(The man who ran GLBSE)
642095;1398420831;Diablo-D3;glbse was a STOCK exchange, not a forex.
642096;1398420833;BingoBoingo;MrWDunne: That isn't exactly a secret.
642097;1398420846;Diablo-D3;MrWDunne: why the fuck is anyone letting him run something again
642098;1398420867;MrWDunne;I have no idea. And I know what GLBSE is, the guy who ran it owns coinfloor
642099;1398420871;Diablo-D3;nefario is the reason that I quit bothering with the bitcoin investment community
642100;1398420885;MrWDunne;Nefarious nefario
642101;1398420907;fluffypony;"I estimate bitstamp earns approximately 20BTC per day currently."
642102;1398420911;fluffypony;that can be calculated more accurately
642103;1398420923;fluffypony;YTD Bitstamp has done, on average, 18682.27233 BTC daily in volume
642104;1398420942;fluffypony;which means their earnings are between 37.364 BTC and 93.411 BTC daily
642105;1398420951;MrWDunne;Thank you very much, I shall adjust it
642106;1398420954;fluffypony;(they have a sliding fee scale dependent on volume)
642107;1398421005;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: You also have to consider the problem of actual vs. imagined volume
642108;1398421010;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: werd
642109;1398421014;MrWDunne;I know about the sliding scale, I used yesterdays volume for the calculation.
642110;1398421037;fluffypony;"We should be attractive to customers thanks to lax KYC/AML, as we will not require identification for those who wish to trade £500/€600 or less per week." <- so basically I can get around all KYC/AML issues by opening 100 accounts?
642111;1398421043;fluffypony;money launderer's paradise, yo
642112;1398421091;MrWDunne;Technically speaking we have no legal requirements to have any KYC/AML policy. We will require them giving us an address just not "proving" it. Also that is meant to be per month. I need to proof read better
642113;1398421119;MrWDunne;Not to mention we can see which bank account the money comes in from, so if 100 accounts are getting money from the same bank account it is very obvious
642114;1398421171;BingoBoingo;MrWDunne: Why not go full measure and take Western Union and other retail wire transfers?
642115;1398421211;HeySteve;I suggest stating it not as "lax" but rather "minimal"
642116;1398421212;MrWDunne;The bank have been quite clear with how they expect us to use the account. They don't want large amounts of cash deposits
642117;1398421225;MrWDunne;HeySteve: I second that
642118;1398421226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2865 @ 0.00094511 = 2.7077 BTC [-] {2} 
642119;1398421293;fluffypony;so there seems to be a lack of technical details about how you'll accomplish this (and Bitcoin is generally a technical audience, investors doubly so)
642120;1398421308;fluffypony;need to have lots of details about your proposed architecture
642121;1398421311;MrWDunne;We're having a KYC/AML policy not to be legal, we don't have to do it to be legal. But to keep the bank account.
642122;1398421325;fluffypony;how your software will handle large volumes
642123;1398421331;MrWDunne;I can get those details available by the end of this month
642124;1398421367;HeySteve;I suggest engineering for provable deposits from the getgo, multisig control of cold wallets also good
642125;1398421370;BingoBoingo;MrWDunne: Who ensures that your fiat handling operation stays legal?
642126;1398421400;fluffypony;what the software will be written in, who the team is and what qualifies them to write the software, what database platform you're going to be using, how you'll handle consistency, etc.
642127;1398421406;fluffypony;probably a bunch of other things Naphex can ask
642128;1398421412;MrWDunne;HeySteve: For cold wallets we will be using multisig and of course we will have provable deposits.
642129;1398421434;HeySteve;yeah that deserves a mention
642130;1398421446;MrWDunne;Yes I can imagine, I'm not the one handling the most technical matters. But by the end of the month I will have the technical details available
642131;1398421470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5935 @ 0.00094255 = 5.594 BTC [-]
642132;1398421487;MrWDunne;BingoBoingo: Our financial adviser worker at a high street bank for 25 years. He knows several people who will work in compliance once we have the volume to support them.
642133;1398421523;BingoBoingo;Opening first and doing compliance later seemed to have been what doomed the other UK ventures.
642134;1398421587;Naphex;back
642135;1398421592;MrWDunne;The main thing that doomed UK ventures was the banks not knowing what they were doing, also if we sell 10,000 shares at the second tier rate (once software + servers are ready) we will have enough to take on a compliance officer from the getgo
642136;1398421593;Naphex;sorry was out for dinner break
642137;1398421609;BingoBoingo;MrWDunne: Where are you fundraising again?
642138;1398421621;MrWDunne;CounterParty BingoBoingo
642139;1398421625;MrWDunne;Ticker DUNNECAP
642140;1398421637;BingoBoingo;See, that is a problem.
642141;1398421654;BingoBoingo;What kind of screening and diligence did that listing require?
642142;1398421657;fluffypony;!up MrWDunne
642143;1398421657;assbot;Voicing MrWDunne for 30 minutes.
642144;1398421662;fluffypony;;;gettrust MrWDunne
642145;1398421663;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user MrWDunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=MrWDunne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MrWDunne | Rated since: never
642146;1398421731;MrWDunne;BingoBoingo: In future we will be moving to another exchange - post launch. However I will happily provide ID to a trusted member of the community in order to verify who I am - and I am willing to meet people IRL
642147;1398421738;MrWDunne;Thanks again fluffypony
642148;1398421768;BingoBoingo;If only these things hadn't been said so many times before.
642149;1398421793;MrWDunne;BingoBoingo: I totally agree. Then again how did the due diligence stop say N&B happening
642150;1398421802;fluffypony;there wasn't any
642151;1398421813;BingoBoingo;MrWDunne: Exercise for an educated reader.
642152;1398421842;Naphex;so what's this new exchange you're openning MrWDunne ?
642153;1398421875;MrWDunne;Hey Naphex , apparently you will have a lot of technical questions for me. UK bitcoin exchange, with UK banking
642154;1398421887;BingoBoingo;"I've heard this Country song, a thousand times before. Heard it all my life. Sung by different people."
642155;1398421904;fluffypony;https://wiki.counterparty.co/w/Assets <- so basically to create an asset all you do is a CLI call
642156;1398421905;ozbot;Assets - Counterparty Wiki
642157;1398421920;fluffypony;assbot: how amazing is that?
642158;1398421920;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
642159;1398421969;Naphex;MrWDunne - are you using inhouse developed software? buying it or extrernalizing?
642160;1398422009;MrWDunne;We have a third party developing it, we were referred by someone else
642161;1398422024;MrWDunne;Hence why I cannot answer questions directly about technical measures
642162;1398422038;Naphex;are you doing regular code checks, security audit on the source code?
642163;1398422044;*;BingoBoingo has to head out. Will return eventually.
642164;1398422054;Naphex;do you know what you get with the product you're paying for?:P
642165;1398422080;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5267 @ 0.0009494 = 5.0005 BTC [+]
642166;1398422088;MrWDunne;The third party is doing that as they go, but prior to launch we are paying for a full security audit of the code. Also the person who referred us knows them personally, and its an interesting project.
642167;1398422143;Naphex;what's it written in? the project?
642168;1398422178;fluffypony;Naphex: PHP :-P
642169;1398422187;MrWDunne;I believe I would be correct to say the frontend logic is simply done in PHP, but the trading engine is C++
642170;1398422220;MrWDunne;I know as a matter of fact its not just PHP fluffy
642171;1398422248;fluffypony;maybe RealSolid's writing it
642172;1398422293;MrWDunne;I don't think so
642173;1398422296;MrWDunne;aha
642174;1398422449;Naphex;on what OS is the trading engine going to run? Are the components sufficiently isolated?
642175;1398422451;MrWDunne;Anyhow, I have to leave in about 10 minutes to visit another bank (looking to get additional accounts for redundancy). If you have a few questions you want me to get a proper answer to just put them here and I'll get an answer as soon as possible
642176;1398422469;Naphex;can you scale that C++ engine up, or will you just be running on single big server?
642177;1398422485;MrWDunne;Naphex: Different server for each "chunk", and we're hoping to use OpenBSD
642178;1398422501;MrWDunne;Scalable, however it should be find for a very long time on one high powered server
642179;1398422507;fluffypony;tbh, an exchange is a REALLY tough sell given the regulatory hurdles and the track record of many past exchanges (gox etc.) - you're going to need a far more fleshed out business plan and a LOT of details about how you're overcoming the technical and legal challenges (and about how you calculate your fundraising requirements)
642180;1398422540;MrWDunne;Fund raising requirements are really rather simple. We already have quotes on all of the costs
642181;1398422553;MrWDunne;The only cost we don't know the price of yet is compliance officer
642182;1398422610;punkman;so you only have quotes at the moment?
642183;1398422613;fluffypony;listing on an "exchange" that anyone can list on with zero due diligence or even an email address verification makes it doubly challenging...I suggest leveraging the -otc WoT and GPG contracts (http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_Contract) to build trust and tie yourself down to shareholders
642184;1398422621;Naphex;do you have a contract with the development team? too keep extending/bugfixing after release?
642185;1398422624;fluffypony;good starting point: http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
642186;1398422667;MrWDunne;Also the actual business plan is a 25 page PDF, but it has details about an additional project planned to launch in a year. And Naphex: yes we certainly do.
642187;1398422680;fluffypony;also last thing in terms of reading material is hanbot's glorious epilogue here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0
642188;1398422709;fluffypony;(well, an epilogue in that I don't think anything further needs to be written on the matter)
642189;1398422795;Naphex;tbh, i'd be scared of doing that in C++ enterprise wise
642190;1398422810;Naphex;you're gonna need too attach lots of other components, for reporting, monitoring, and keeping track off
642191;1398422812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50199999 = 1.004 BTC [+] {2} 
642192;1398422820;Naphex;so it depends a lot on what the tradeengine is going to do
642193;1398422833;Naphex;but you'll need tons of tools attached especially when you go live
642194;1398422873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3265 @ 0.00094898 = 3.0984 BTC [-] {2} 
642195;1398422873;fluffypony;yeah, and on the topic of reinventing of wheels... https://alphapoint.com seems...interesting if you're going that route
642196;1398422876;MrWDunne;Of course, as I said don't quote me on C++ I just know its not a PHP trade engine
642197;1398422932;MrWDunne;Anyhow, I do now need to go. So please send any questions to me on BitcoinTalk and I'll answer them as soon as
642198;1398422932;punkman;so, quotes on costs, outsourced tech, 25 page pdf and listing on Counterparty. What else you got?
642199;1398422933;Naphex;MrWDunne: who wrote the specs, for the third party to develop?
642200;1398422977;Naphex;outsourced tech is the most problematic imho
642201;1398422979;MrWDunne;Punkman: two bank accounts known to be for a bitcoin exchange, with the bank explicitly saying that is okay for us to use.
642202;1398422992;Naphex;for something so sensitive, i wouldn't do much trusting. or use developers that are not in-house
642203;1398423018;MrWDunne;Naphex; More details will emerge on that, its a hard one to explain.
642204;1398423022;jurov;wut "SEPA incurs a 3% hidden cost + £15"? I wouldn't touch such scumbag banks with dry pole
642205;1398423028;Naphex;i'd care for backdoors, known 'issues', and insider leaks
642206;1398423042;Naphex;and you'd want someone doing lots of monitoring
642207;1398423045;MrWDunne;Naphex: Hence code security audit
642208;1398423047;Naphex;especially early
642209;1398423051;fluffypony;Naphex: buffer overruns are a feature
642210;1398423055;MrWDunne;Naphex: This will be my fulltime job
642211;1398423085;MrWDunne;Jurov: unfortunately that is every UK bank. 3% is every bank though. That is the currency conversion discrepancy
642212;1398423099;Naphex;MrWDunne: are you going to do the tehnical monitoring as well?
642213;1398423132;MrWDunne;Naphex: No that would be unwise, I will have a professional do that, and learn from him as we go along
642214;1398423172;Naphex;MrWDunne: what about hardware?
642215;1398423190;Naphex;the servers, the colocation, the hosting
642216;1398423192;MrWDunne;The data center will monitor the hardware
642217;1398423195;Naphex;who will mange them full time?
642218;1398423196;MrWDunne;Node4
642219;1398423211;MrWDunne;Northampton data center
642220;1398423215;MrWDunne;Tier 3
642221;1398423224;MrWDunne;100% uptime since it was created
642222;1398423255;MrWDunne;I'm responsible for initial setup. That is something I can handle
642223;1398423264;bounce;fluffypony: just scanned a bit, but we need less AML, not more. so if the rules allow for this, that's positive.
642224;1398423268;Naphex;you're relianing on a lot of outsourcing
642225;1398423281;Naphex;which for a bitcoin exchange, i doubt its going to be enough
642226;1398423298;MrWDunne;Naphex: Better have a professional do it than myself
642227;1398423304;fluffypony;bounce: 100% - I wasn't arguing for or against it, although I do think that the best non-AML route will always be otc/face to face
642228;1398423317;MrWDunne;Bounce: Indeed, the laws allow for no AML. But the bank doesn't
642229;1398423323;Naphex;MrWDunne: better have that proffesional hired and with an office near ;]
642230;1398423333;bounce;find a bank who does?
642231;1398423347;MrWDunne;bounce: there isn't one. Not in the UK.
642232;1398423347;fluffypony;Naphex: and a noose around his neck and a limit on his frappuccinos
642233;1398423361;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00435463 = 0.2613 BTC [-] {4} 
642234;1398423362;*;bounce wonders how hard it is to set up a bank and have it talk to other banks
642235;1398423382;MrWDunne;Naphex: Once we have the volume we will be doing just that.
642236;1398423418;fluffypony;bounce: licensing is the issue, I think
642237;1398423425;*;bounce was thinking it'd be useful to have a fiat bank connect various exchanges
642238;1398423443;MrWDunne;fluffypony: In the UK it is almost impossible
642239;1398423470;MrWDunne;We have had one bank open in the past 100 years
642240;1398423484;fluffypony;if the Bank of England stands....England stands!
642241;1398423496;fluffypony;brb coffee
642242;1398423556;fluffypony;mircea_popescu
642243;1398423570;fluffypony;you missed MrWDunne by 6 seconds
642244;1398423605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00094289 = 4.3844 BTC [-]
642245;1398423606;punkman;you can make another one for fiddy cents
642246;1398423659;fluffypony;Banka de Fluffy has a certain ring to it
642247;1398423839;mircea_popescu;fluffypony who is mrwdunne ?
642248;1398423905;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: the guy that's starting a UK exchange because there "isn't one"
642249;1398423912;mircea_popescu;awww
642250;1398423925;mircea_popescu;well, maybe next time someone starts a uk exchange.
642251;1398424059;HeySteve;anyone familiar with SingleHop hosting?
642252;1398424144;HeySteve;"This week, SingleHop engineers noticed an increase in the number of customers reporting compromised servers. As we investigated these reports, we were able to identify a common malicious software program installed on many of the compromised servers. The malware is specifically designed to siphon the server’s computing power into mining bitcoins. This has been a growing trend throughout
642253;1398424144;HeySteve;the web lately, with malware attacks of this nature being reported by customers of AWS and the Iowa State University."
642254;1398424189;fluffypony;that just points to shitty sysadmins; if they're not monitoring load what are they doing?
642255;1398424328;HeySteve;call of duty and bong hits? who knows. but would monitoring load prevent this sort of thing occurring in the first place?
642256;1398424398;fluffypony;not entirely, but any sysadmin worth his salt needs to know *when* to scale
642257;1398424415;fluffypony;and you do that by consistently monitoring resource utilisation over time
642258;1398424432;HeySteve;well I have no idea if they caught this early or late
642259;1398424440;HeySteve;but they've taken action, cleaned it apparently
642260;1398424491;HeySteve;I'm more interested in the malware and where the coins are going, I wonder if they preserved a specimen (sort of thing)
642261;1398424651;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: The entire world is Italy. <- true words
642262;1398424703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4678 @ 0.00094625 = 4.4266 BTC [+]
642263;1398424710;HeySteve;they hint it's related to heartbleed, NRPE or Ebury, not that I'd heard of the other 2
642264;1398424800;fluffypony;ebury is an rk
642265;1398425232;fluffypony;can you search the WoT for a specific gpg key id?
642266;1398425340;random_cat;mircea_popescue:  <a href="http://xeur.bitcoin-central.net/">here</a> on http://mpex.co/?mpsic=X.EUR is apparently invalid
642267;1398425362;random_cat;mircea_popescu, even
642268;1398425740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0708 = 0.2124 BTC [-]
642269;1398425833;jurov;davout ^
642270;1398425862;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.50000001 = 5 BTC [-]
642271;1398426118;random_cat;signed documets and stale urls: yum
642272;1398426218;jurov;davout will surely fix it
642273;1398426838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44478 @ 0.00094902 = 42.2105 BTC [+] {6} 
642274;1398427975;jurov;!up MykelSIlver
642275;1398427975;assbot;Voicing MykelSIlver for 30 minutes.
642276;1398427982;jurov;!up Sahtor
642277;1398427982;assbot;Voicing Sahtor for 30 minutes.
642278;1398428201;fluffypony;bitcoinpete: morning
642279;1398428210;bitcoinpete;fluffypony: howdy!
642280;1398428256;bitcoinpete;fluffypony: saw that article about the mt gox coins flowing into maidsafe. that thing is more crooked than a chicago politician
642281;1398428305;bitcoinpete;fluffypony: and if you go to http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php you should be able to just search the page for a key
642282;1398428325;fluffypony;bitcoinpete: yep, but then some bright spark traced some coins back to BTC Guild and accused Eulethria of being complicit
642283;1398428336;wywialm;hello, bitcoinpete
642284;1398428337;fluffypony;without thinking that maybe someone mined some coins in the pool, withdrew them, and then used them
642285;1398428344;fluffypony;because obviously all coins just appear out of thin air
642286;1398428385;bitcoinpete;magic coins are magic!
642287;1398428398;bitcoinpete;wywialm: ahoy :)
642288;1398428418;fluffypony;needless to say, eulethria was pissed
642289;1398428419;fluffypony;was/is
642290;1398428447;bitcoinpete;fair enough
642291;1398428497;bitcoinpete;so ltb head adam levine tried writing about maidsafe for techcrunch and they pulled his article cuz it had a tip widget
642292;1398428513;bitcoinpete;so he republished it on his website: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/maidsafe-wildly-successful-crypto-crowdsale-debacle/
642293;1398428519;fluffypony;lawl
642294;1398428540;fluffypony;did they think it defeated journalistic integrity?
642295;1398428558;bitcoinpete;that's exactly it
642296;1398428607;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1499 @ 0.0001291 = 0.1935 BTC [+] {2} 
642297;1398428618;bitcoinpete;kid is pissing me off pretending he knows shit though, quotes like "Life is about variables, monetary fundamentals is entirely about variables." abound
642298;1398428632;cazalla;how'd he sneak that widget in
642299;1398428668;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5395 @ 0.00006412 = 0.3459 BTC [-] {9} 
642300;1398428721;bitcoinpete;"The MAIDSAFE project specifically and these types of crowdsales broadly have a great future ahead, but it’s a bit like launching a boat – careful thought, diligent planning and rigorous construction must all come together or the whole thing sinks." <<such derp
642301;1398428725;fluffypony;someone needs to tell MaidSafe and this "Dark Market" crap that they're reinventing the wheel; Tahoe-LAFS over I2P already has a web client and is a distributed data store etc.
642302;1398428756;cazalla;bitcoinpete: so you won't be accepting ltbcoin for your writings?
642303;1398428763;bitcoinpete;cazalla: good question. obviously not very subtly or else tc wouldn't have published and retracted
642304;1398428772;bitcoinpete;cazalla: oh goodness
642305;1398428790;cazalla;maybe the editor just copy/pasta'd without proofreading
642306;1398428800;bitcoinpete;levine is also doing this humint.is thing. he's the "cvo"
642307;1398428816;bitcoinpete;"We help brands create digital
642308;1398428816;bitcoinpete;currencies to make good.
642309;1398428817;bitcoinpete;We are Humint."
642310;1398428818;fluffypony;oh god
642311;1398428823;fluffypony;CVO as in Chief Visionary Officer?
642312;1398428833;davout;random_cat jurov it's fixed, thank you for reporting
642313;1398428864;davout;;;rate random_cat 1 reads the fine print
642314;1398428865;thestringpuller;;;google Chief Visionary Officer
642315;1398428865;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user random_cat has been recorded.
642316;1398428866;gribble;Chief visionary officer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_visionary_officer>; What is CVO (chief visionary officer)? - Definition from WhatIs.com: <http://searchcio.techtarget.com/definition/CVO>; Chief Visionary Officer | The Black Man Can Institute: <http://tbmcinstitute.theblackmancan.org/leadership-team/chief-visionary-officer/>
642317;1398428873;thestringpuller;;;google define Chief Visionary Officer
642318;1398428874;gribble;Chief visionary officer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_visionary_officer>; Chief executive officer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_executive_officer>; What is CVO (chief visionary officer)? - Definition from WhatIs.com: <http://searchcio.techtarget.com/definition/CVO>
642319;1398428883;bitcoinpete;;;google cvo
642320;1398428883;gribble;CVO: Summary for Cenveo Inc- Yahoo! Finance: <http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CVO>; Cascades Volcano Observatory: <http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/>; CVO - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CVO>
642321;1398428898;bitcoinpete;mmm vulcans...
642322;1398428962;thestringpuller;ratings for finding bugs
642323;1398428975;thestringpuller;lol davout where do you live in France?
642324;1398428980;fluffypony;thestringpuller: new idea for a Bug Bounty program?
642325;1398428982;thestringpuller;(trying to estimate shipping for cookies)
642326;1398429011;davout;thestringpuller: ~paris
642327;1398429054;davout;thestringpuller: reading fine print is a good thing, why not rate it as such? :D
642328;1398429217;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00469993 = 0.282 BTC [+] {3} 
642329;1398429461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00094353 = 5.9914 BTC [-]
642330;1398429697;jurov;<troll>if random_cat really did read fine print, he'd ask you straight, not mirceau popescue</troll>
642331;1398429726;*;random_cat slaps jurov about a bit with a wet puppy
642332;1398429794;davout;brb, gonna slap myself with wet pussies
642333;1398429802;davout;!up Luke-Jr
642334;1398429802;assbot;Voicing Luke-Jr for 30 minutes.
642335;1398429804;random_cat;good choice
642336;1398429807;fluffypony;drowning cats again?
642337;1398429931;ThickAsThieves;so much log
642338;1398429969;random_cat;blame the wet pussies
642339;1398430004;davout;random_cat: wet pussies are the consequence of so much log, not the other way around
642340;1398430059;random_cat;i think that depends upon where one's nose is
642341;1398430170;bitcoinpete;http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/Article/3332609/Banking-and-Capital-Markets-Emerging-Markets/Chinas-Rate-Liberalization-Stakes-Who-Wins-Who-Loses.html?ArticleId=3332609&single=true#.U1kNLuaSyXQ
642342;1398430180;bitcoinpete;http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/Article/3332458/Asset-Management-Macro/Is-China-Really-Prepared-to-Shift-to-Market-Driven-Interest-Rates.html?ArticleId=3332458&rel=nofollow&single=true#.U1kEB-aSyXQ
642343;1398430183;ozbot;Is China Really Prepared to Shift to Market-Driven Interest Rates? | Institutional Investor
642344;1398430211;random_cat;not at all
642345;1398430642;bitcoinpete;"Worry about skin in the game, not inequality."
642346;1398430659;bitcoinpete;taleb's on a roll right now
642347;1398430681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1469 @ 0.00094559 = 1.3891 BTC [+]
642348;1398430889;HeySteve;yeah Eleuthria contacted me, glad I was vague and didn't make any accusations of involvement there
642349;1398430933;HeySteve;re: <+fluffypony> needless to say, eulethria was pissed
642350;1398430968;fluffypony;yeah for real
642351;1398431169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00094843 = 3.7937 BTC [+]
642352;1398431422;punkman;http://cryptome.org/jya/digicrash.htm
642353;1398432381;*;danielpbarron is left-handed
642354;1398432388;fluffypony;danielpbarron: my sincere condolances
642355;1398432394;danielpbarron;heh
642356;1398432395;fluffypony;I have both my left and my right hands still attached
642357;1398432428;Naphex;http://www.fentonreport.com/bitcoin/why-the-savegox-plan-is-very-important-to-the-bitcoin-ecosystem
642358;1398432430;ozbot;Why the SaveGox Plan is Very Important to the Bitcoin Ecosystem | FENTON REPORT
642359;1398432432;Naphex;or just let gox diee
642360;1398432578;fluffypony;he has a point though - if the 200k coins they magically "found" form part of the assets sold off to pay creditors, customers will proportionally get less as they have to share with other creditors
642361;1398432597;fluffypony;I'm just glad I never kept coins on there
642362;1398432638;*;danielpbarron too
642363;1398432700;Naphex;https://i.imgur.com/CDR0owC.png load times post frontend optimizations :D
642364;1398432717;fluffypony;nice
642365;1398432725;fluffypony;did you reduce page size as well?
642366;1398432761;Naphex;nah
642367;1398432798;Naphex;mostly cacheing tuning
642368;1398432847;Naphex;and removing some bugdowns
642369;1398432883;fluffypony;cool nice
642370;1398432885;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/xmnlXIW.jpg
642371;1398432910;Naphex;lol
642372;1398433135;Blazedout419;guys can China get out and stay out..
642373;1398433146;Blazedout419;So bored with the China bans already
642374;1398433183;Naphex;they banned btc again?:)
642375;1398433200;fluffypony;!up MrWDunne
642376;1398433200;assbot;Voicing MrWDunne for 30 minutes.
642377;1398433212;MrWDunne;Yes, they are banning btc again
642378;1398433244;MrWDunne;Essentially leaves China to use Cash only, not sure if they will be willing to use that
642379;1398433308;Naphex;well, i missed the whole news
642380;1398433312;Naphex;so.. hooray!
642381;1398433336;fluffypony;lawl
642382;1398433411;pankkake;I'm surprised things like mtgox bankruptancy were considered "bad" for bitcoin price
642383;1398433422;pankkake;after all, you realize there are now less bitcoins than previously thought
642384;1398433436;MrWDunne;No
642385;1398433437;ThickAsThieves;dont blame china for US selling bitcoins
642386;1398433438;ThickAsThieves;etc
642387;1398433448;fluffypony;Naphex: that graph on the front page, it's not possible to zoom in right? wanted to see if you guys saw a dip from the China thing as well
642388;1398433453;MrWDunne;Pankkake Same amount of bitcoins. Just in fewer people's hands
642389;1398433473;MrWDunne;Starbucks apparently holds a large amount of BTC
642390;1398433485;Naphex;fluffypony: there is a slider down, you squeeze it
642391;1398433491;pankkake;well no, fractionnal reserves means more bitcoins than there are
642392;1398433499;Naphex;will switch it with a good graph pretty soon, the data plant should be ready by monday
642393;1398433499;fluffypony;OH, didn't see that
642394;1398433523;Naphex;and we'll replace it with proper OHLC-V data & candlesticks
642395;1398433538;fluffypony;neat
642396;1398433610;Naphex;brb, heading home. done with the office
642397;1398433612;asciilifeform;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/52-year-old-french-banker-jumps-her-death-paris-after-questioning-her-superiors
642398;1398433614;ozbot;52 Year-Old French Banker Jumps To Her Death In Paris (After Questioning Her Superiors) | Zero Hedge
642399;1398433615;Naphex;and its raining :|
642400;1398433653;MrWDunne;pankkake: They didn't just disappear. They just moved to somewhere other than the owners hands
642401;1398433692;pankkake;but that was a while ago. so those bitcoins were already out, priced. yet people were still seing pretty numbers of bitcoins that were not there
642402;1398433726;MrWDunne;The problem is we don't know when they left, so its hard to price in.
642403;1398433731;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49953258 BTC [-]
642404;1398433741;pankkake;right
642405;1398433769;MrWDunne;It does mean for a while there were more bitcoins in circulation than actually existed. But when did it all start?
642406;1398433851;fluffypony;pankkake: you'll love this - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579498.0
642407;1398433856;fluffypony;raed the 2nd post
642408;1398433858;fluffypony;*read
642409;1398433867;pankkake;yeah I saw it :)
642410;1398433921;MrWDunne;Owch, good job by them
642411;1398434646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00094843 = 1.802 BTC [+]
642412;1398435431;Naphex;fluffypony:  prolly more interesting, RON vs BTCHotWallet https://i.imgur.com/ZvdQiSl.png
642413;1398435439;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1100 @ 0.0001291 = 0.142 BTC [+]
642414;1398435451;fluffypony;*clicks*
642415;1398435468;fluffypony;interesting
642416;1398435491;ThickAsThieves;"On the business front, Android fans are more apt to show a strong interest in Evernote (16.65X), LinkedIn (6.90X), venture capital (5.44X), and corporate finance (3.85X). The only business topics to feature prominently for iOS fans are TechCrunch (13.55X) and Bitcoin (7.93X)."
642417;1398435530;bitcoinpete;"#blackcoin is temporarily down but because of excellent community support we're working super hard to get it up again. ETA 2 hours." << ummm
642418;1398435582;mod6;so this looks weird:
642419;1398435588;mod6;$depth s.mpoe
642420;1398435590;mpexbot;mod6: S.MPOE Bids: ['15250 @ 0.00094828', '2256 @ 0.00094717', '4878 @ 0.00094541', '9100 @ 0.00094403', '4358 @ 0.00094297']
642421;1398435591;mpexbot;mod6: Asks: ['12204 @ 0.00094843', '18446744073709523111 @ 0.0009494', '10350 @ 0.00094958', '11050 @ 0.0009503', '3779 @ 0.0009512']
642422;1398435598;mod6;'18446744073709523111 @ 0.0009494'
642423;1398435610;ThickAsThieves;eek
642424;1398435628;bitcoinpete;holy
642425;1398435635;ThickAsThieves;mircea_popescu ^^^
642426;1398435638;mod6;it's happened before, was quickly fixed.
642427;1398435641;kakobrekla;broken again
642428;1398435651;ThickAsThieves;http://pando.com/2014/04/23/startups-anonymous-things-founders-say-to-investors-that-are-complete-bs/
642429;1398435652;ozbot;Startups Anonymous: Things founders say to investors that are complete BS | PandoDaily
642430;1398435698;bitcoinpete;ThickAsThieves: sounds like maidsafe and bitgo all wrapped into one
642431;1398435780;ThickAsThieves;!up MichalisBTC
642432;1398435780;assbot;Voicing MichalisBTC for 30 minutes.
642433;1398435805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0718 = 0.1436 BTC [+]
642434;1398435817;bitcoinpete;"US bank credit money supply growing at about $45bn/month currently, well offsetting the +-$7bn/month QE slowdown. http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/TOTBKCR" << bueno!
642435;1398435840;ThickAsThieves;MichalisBTC is the bitcoin software guy I mentioned
642436;1398435845;ThickAsThieves;from the ashes of Neo
642437;1398435858;ThickAsThieves;benkay you around?
642438;1398435870;MichalisBTC;hehe yes indeed
642439;1398435905;ThickAsThieves;MichalisBTC do you have a link for details on your plan?
642440;1398435909;ThickAsThieves;or maybe share the website?
642441;1398435938;MichalisBTC;sure check it out, this is just to showcase projects cryptosysinc.com
642442;1398435976;ThickAsThieves;my own goal is for you guys to put him through the wringer so as to temper (snuff?) his plans as appropriate
642443;1398435999;ThickAsThieves;i am not particularly experienced or understanding of what he wants to offer
642444;1398436015;ThickAsThieves;other than specialized bitcoin software for businesses
642445;1398436044;MichalisBTC;we are working on a new project, it's Blockchain as a Service. It's a friendly RESTful API that allows creating bitcoin apps...to put it in single sentence. with a lot of automations and event type notifications.
642446;1398436067;ThickAsThieves;I met the Cryptosys guys last year, we broke bread, Danny proceeded to fuck them in the ass, etc
642447;1398436086;MichalisBTC;ass still hurts...
642448;1398436181;ThickAsThieves;maybe we can talk about this Hearn as your technical advisor thing
642449;1398436195;ThickAsThieves;why him? and what is he actually doing for you?
642450;1398436322;MichalisBTC;Yes, we approached Mike because all our previous work was on bitcoinJ. BitcoinJ was designed to be a mobile client rather a backend server.However, the tools of the library are helpful and because we code in Java we decided to give it a shot. We broke it appart and used what was good for our purposes but as some point we wanted advise on how to proceed, so we thought to pass our plans
642451;1398436322;MichalisBTC;through the Man himself.
642452;1398436395;MichalisBTC;Really nice guy btw. We had a one hour skype video call and went over our designs. A few days ago we asked him if we appoint him as our advisor for the funding process and he was kind enough to accept.
642453;1398436407;*;fluffypony ponders
642454;1398436418;ThickAsThieves;my own personal observations of Hearn are mixed
642455;1398436423;ThickAsThieves;he's obviously sharo
642456;1398436425;ThickAsThieves;sharp
642457;1398436430;ThickAsThieves;intelligent
642458;1398436430;Naphex;high scale services on spv?:(
642459;1398436444;ThickAsThieves;but he takes some questionable positions on things
642460;1398436452;fluffypony;so is he a technical advisor in terms of checking your architecture and designs, or is he an advisor to the funding process/business proposal?
642461;1398436459;ThickAsThieves;so i wouldnt rely on him for anything strategic or conceptual
642462;1398436480;MichalisBTC;technical advisor, our talks are strictly technical
642463;1398436522;ThickAsThieves;Naphex care to dumb down your comment for me?
642464;1398436531;ThickAsThieves;<+Naphex> high scale services on spv?:(
642465;1398436541;ThickAsThieves;whats spv?
642466;1398436552;MichalisBTC;The space we are entering with "Blockchain as a Service" is kind of competing with blockchain.info, some features overlap. his advise on that was that indeed we need more of these type of SaaS to help the eco-system...
642467;1398436564;Naphex;ThickAsThieves: as in thin client, in bitcoinj
642468;1398436565;Naphex;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Thin_Client_Security
642469;1398436587;Naphex;simple payment verification
642470;1398436591;ThickAsThieves;was does this sadden you? weak security?
642471;1398436621;ThickAsThieves;ah so clients that arent nodes
642472;1398436631;bitcoinpete;like multibit
642473;1398436660;ThickAsThieves;Michalis have you seen blockr.io ?
642474;1398436674;Naphex;any MITM will own the SPV's
642475;1398436695;MichalisBTC;no i haven't let me see
642476;1398436712;ThickAsThieves;kakobrekla knows the blockr people
642477;1398436754;MichalisBTC;yes, similar to this
642478;1398436758;ThickAsThieves;so, i'm not clear how making thin clients and acting like blockchain.info will make you money
642479;1398436771;ThickAsThieves;do you have a full business plan?
642480;1398436777;ThickAsThieves;or just the website content
642481;1398436795;Naphex;too me it just looks like products spinned off bitcoinj
642482;1398436808;MichalisBTC;well we are not making thin clients. Our customers will be those requesting software services. not the end users.
642483;1398436845;ThickAsThieves;could you give a case of an ideal client?
642484;1398436855;MichalisBTC;i guess there are a number of ways to do this, we went with Java and bitcoinJ was of great help.
642485;1398436873;Naphex;MichalisBTC:  so the clearing engine keeps the wallets, provides restful apis to the other products right?
642486;1398436915;Naphex;ThickAsThieves: run a full-node cluster, and get whatever data you need from there. use full nodes for payments, and multi-sig cold wallets for storage
642487;1398436926;MichalisBTC;FX companies that need to offer bitcoin clearing without us being in control of their bitcoin. Anyone who wishes to built a bitcoin app. We do the heavy lifting for them.
642488;1398436967;MichalisBTC;We will be also offering notifications (sms/email/callbacks) in realtime
642489;1398437024;Naphex;"
642490;1398437025;Naphex;The built in API allows to perform the following functions:
642491;1398437025;Naphex;A. Send bitcoins from master, customer, hot wallets.
642492;1398437025;Naphex;B. Get balance updates for any existing wallet under the control of the system.
642493;1398437028;Naphex;C. Create new customer wallet.
642494;1398437030;Naphex;D. Create hot wallets.
642495;1398437033;Naphex;E. Process large amount requests.
642496;1398437035;Naphex;"
642497;1398437060;Naphex;MichalisBTC: what does the secure architecture entail? what other security systems are in place, besides the GRE tunnel
642498;1398437063;Naphex;and locked down internet
642499;1398437076;Naphex;can i clean you out if i get access to the gre?
642500;1398437101;Naphex;All the private keys and wallet files are immediately backed up to multiple physical locations via encrypted tunnels. The keys and files are stored in an encrypted format on database which reside on encrypted partition file systems. Thus eliminating the possibility of stealing keys, even if hard drives from backup locations are stolen.
642501;1398437116;Naphex;where are the encryption keys kept?
642502;1398437120;MichalisBTC;We are not holding any funds for "Blockchain as a Service" and the only input in the system is the bitcoin netowork.
642503;1398437148;Naphex;MichalisBTC: bitcoin network, as in SPV BitcoinJ
642504;1398437158;Naphex;not a full verifying node yes?
642505;1398437172;MichalisBTC;However, on other implementation, where we did host wallets, we had clear separation of non critical servers with distributed security. And at the back end everything was separated with APIs.
642506;1398437198;Naphex;MichalisBTC: did the API's require signing? like HMAC?
642507;1398437200;MichalisBTC;also, on the complete from end we used custom proxies.
642508;1398437242;MichalisBTC;*front end
642509;1398437269;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07190556 = 0.5033 BTC [+] {4} 
642510;1398437282;MichalisBTC;for blockchain as a service we plan to use oauth, so yes
642511;1398437330;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50579145 BTC [+]
642512;1398437337;punkman;MichalisBTC: why "as a service"? why not license the software that provices the convenient API for the blockchain?
642513;1398437375;fluffypony;^^
642514;1398437408;punkman;*provides
642515;1398437424;fluffypony;less reputational risk as well, let the customer take ownership of their screw ups
642516;1398437436;MichalisBTC;we could license it, the main feature are the notifications. Business is to charge for the notifications, integration and support. Mainly because we will deal with businesses.
642517;1398437501;MichalisBTC;We are in Cyprus, low corporate tax attracts a lot of FX companies, who wish now to integrate bitcoin. Some list it already as CFDs, but they cannot clear bitcoin. We do the hard work for them, they are in control of the wallets. We are just the passthrough, offering a service.
642518;1398437565;MichalisBTC;fluffypony: yes, indeed
642519;1398437574;Naphex;MichalisBTC: what is the hard work in clearing bitcoin?
642520;1398437586;punkman;what is "clearing bitcoin"?
642521;1398437606;Naphex;punkman: ok payment, at 3 confirmations. send clearence
642522;1398437630;Naphex;'here is your money, its good'
642523;1398437650;Naphex;!up MichalisBTC
642524;1398437650;assbot;Voicing MichalisBTC for 30 minutes.
642525;1398437722;Naphex;the weak point beeing any DDoS
642526;1398437729;Naphex;completly shutting down you're clearing node
642527;1398437735;Naphex;as we see every day with blockchain
642528;1398437744;Naphex;getting ddos'ed and cloudflare shutting down the API's
642529;1398437785;thestringpuller;;;ident
642530;1398437786;gribble;Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
642531;1398437794;thestringpuller;;;ticker
642532;1398437796;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 454.09, Best ask: 455.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.81000, Last trade: 454.09, 24 hour volume: 31575.48797401, 24 hour low: 438.05, 24 hour high: 505.0, 24 hour vwap: 467.11276242
642533;1398437798;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe
642534;1398437798;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00094255 / 0.00095081 / 0.00095978 (639879 shares, 608.41 BTC), 7D: 0.00094255 / 0.00097499 / 0.00101 (5908739 shares, 5,760.96 BTC), 30D: 0.00092844 / 0.00096165 / 0.00101 (21700966 shares, 20,868.83 BTC)
642535;1398437808;thestringpuller;!last m s.mpoe
642536;1398437808;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00094843 BTC [+]
642537;1398437827;MichalisBTC;with our security design for the perimeter the worst thing that can happen to one of our satellite nodes is go out of service. But with a DDoS they cannot penetrate further than that.
642538;1398437859;MichalisBTC;but yes point being that the mid-tier business ie fx, don't have to worry about it. We do
642539;1398437879;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 6 @ 0.14 = 0.84 BTC
642540;1398437909;Naphex;yeah but when ddos hits, and their customers can't deposit / withdraw, support phones and emails start burning
642541;1398437923;Naphex;why hasn't anyone implemented clearing notifications in BitcoinD Core ;o
642542;1398437931;thestringpuller;;;gettrust MichalisBTC
642543;1398437932;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user MichalisBTC: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=MichalisBTC | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MichalisBTC | Rated since: never
642544;1398437938;thestringpuller;gtfo
642545;1398437940;thestringpuller;lol
642546;1398437947;Naphex;;;later tell Naphex fork BitcoinD, and implement clearing notifications via JSON-RPC
642547;1398437948;gribble;The operation succeeded.
642548;1398437977;MichalisBTC;Naphex: yes, our nodes will not be publicly available. :) no notification in core
642549;1398438105;artifexd;Naphex: GRE tunnel? Wassat?
642550;1398438121;Naphex;artifexd: VPN
642551;1398438172;artifexd;Why did you make the distinction? What's the difference?
642552;1398438236;artifexd;Nevermind. Found the rfc
642553;1398438367;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2005 @ 0.0001291 = 0.2588 BTC [-]
642554;1398438478;ThickAsThieves;MichalisBTC I'd recommend registering your name with nickserv, then signing up for the Bitcoin Web of Trust. These are some of the verification methods we live by and a great way to build your rep while establishing an identity.
642555;1398438510;MichalisBTC;Oks thx
642556;1398438517;ThickAsThieves;people here can help with any aspects you are unclear on
642557;1398438564;ThickAsThieves;it's a slow time of day here, so the more you're around the more you can float your questions and answer them
642558;1398438601;ThickAsThieves;trust isnt built quickly in these parts
642559;1398438608;MichalisBTC;sure, and I also I would like to get more feedback on the project, give out more info
642560;1398438672;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00435 = 0.261 BTC [-] {2} 
642561;1398438744;MichalisBTC;thanks for the intro! catch you later
642562;1398438747;Naphex;MichalisBTC: go core!:D
642563;1398438749;Naphex;:]
642564;1398438757;MichalisBTC;thanks much
642565;1398438768;ThickAsThieves;so http://www.bitangels.co is still a thing huh
642566;1398438774;fluffypony;I would trust Naphex with my infrastructure
642567;1398438812;fluffypony;;;rate Naphex 1 knows his shiznat regarding infrastructure, architecture, and deployment. is probably a better developer than me to boot.
642568;1398438815;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Naphex has changed from 1 to 1.
642569;1398438824;Naphex;thq fluffypony
642570;1398438835;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: when are we starting BitDevils?
642571;1398438853;ThickAsThieves;you have my attention :)
642572;1398438941;ThickAsThieves;all we need is some handsome pictures of everyone in a suit or bitcoin t-shirt
642573;1398438944;fluffypony;yes
642574;1398438952;fluffypony;and we'll call it a "consulting service" for startups
642575;1398438959;fluffypony;where we play devils advocate to the ideas
642576;1398438961;ThickAsThieves;no no
642577;1398438964;fluffypony;to help them refine it
642578;1398438965;ThickAsThieves;incubator
642579;1398438980;ThickAsThieves;the Devil's Nest
642580;1398438980;fluffypony;BitDevils - The Startup Womb
642581;1398439019;kakobrekla;sounds like s cheerleaders team
642582;1398439105;ThickAsThieves;well yeah
642583;1398439165;jurov;!up smidge
642584;1398439165;assbot;Voicing smidge for 30 minutes.
642585;1398439195;jurov;!up mrwdunne
642586;1398439195;assbot;Voicing mrwdunne for 30 minutes.
642587;1398439208;mrwdunne;Thank you jurov
642588;1398439321;mrwdunne;Anyhow, does anyone have any new questions re exchange?
642589;1398439383;Naphex;mrwdunne: will you have liquidity at launch?
642590;1398439465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
642591;1398439506;mrwdunne;Naphex: yes, we are selling in stages, at each stage we will sell the shares for more. Whatever we have left we will use to provide liquidity. However I think we will see a flood of people from the UK when we launch. Especially as the bank transfers are instant
642592;1398439548;ThickAsThieves;you think youll get a flood of people on a new exchange?
642593;1398439549;ThickAsThieves;how
642594;1398439604;mrwdunne;First in the UK to have access to UK banking. Immediate advantages to competitors
642595;1398439628;mrwdunne;(UK banking has free and instant transfers)
642596;1398439648;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04233333 = 0.127 BTC [+] {3} 
642597;1398439703;mrwdunne;*immediate advantages over competitors
642598;1398439709;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.07179111 = 1.2922 BTC [+] {2} 
642599;1398439711;mircea_popescu;mrwdunne srsly, it's not the first in any sense, forget about that angle.
642600;1398439718;mircea_popescu;all it does is telegraph noobishness.
642601;1398439759;mrwdunne;mircea_popescu Which other ones are still running?
642602;1398439771;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07198 = 1.0797 BTC [+]
642603;1398439772;mircea_popescu;so are you going to make the first roman empire, too ?
642604;1398439786;mrwdunne;True, first might be the wrong word. Regardless it is the only
642605;1398439817;ThickAsThieves;why use either as a quality?
642606;1398439830;ThickAsThieves;first, only, all bullshit
642607;1398439831;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07198237 = 0.5759 BTC [+] {2} 
642608;1398439858;mrwdunne;Only is not at all bullshit, although yes first is the wrong word
642609;1398439866;ThickAsThieves;well only what?
642610;1398439883;ThickAsThieves;being the only human on island doesnt make you valuable
642611;1398439892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00094843 = 3.3195 BTC [+]
642612;1398439903;mrwdunne;Only exchange with access to the UK banking network. That does make you valuable
642613;1398439914;mircea_popescu;mrwdunne only also telegraphs noobishness. you're too new in this game to know, but nothing is valuable in any market unless and until it has ocmpetitors.
642614;1398439932;mircea_popescu;noob founders try to pitch onlyness to vcs all the time, innocent of the plain obvious fact that it's a disqualifier.
642615;1398439988;mrwdunne;mircea_popescu I have read through your posts on bitcointalk already. You pitch that if someone is competent and the idea has potential that is what matters. I am the only person who has managed to get the account
642616;1398439995;mrwdunne;That is why no one else has done it
642617;1398440008;ThickAsThieves;i think you missed the points
642618;1398440026;mircea_popescu;mrwdunne i never posted on btctalk.
642619;1398440050;fluffypony;mrwdunne: every entrepreneur pitching a business says that their product is a special and unique snowflake the likes of which have not been seen from the beginning of time until now, no nor shall be seen again...that's not a compelling reason for customers to move en-masse to your exchange
642620;1398440110;mrwdunne;Offering free, instant bank transfers however is a reason to move en-masse. Being the only may not directly be the selling point, however that is a very valid advantage
642621;1398440126;mrwdunne;And mircea_popescu, sorry, I assumed this was you; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0
642622;1398440162;ThickAsThieves;i'll tell you, bank transfer fees are of little concern to notable buyers
642623;1398440169;ThickAsThieves;so i save $20
642624;1398440171;ThickAsThieves;big deal
642625;1398440190;ThickAsThieves;that doesnt erase that you are new
642626;1398440200;ThickAsThieves;and of unknown reputation
642627;1398440209;mrwdunne;ThickAsThieves I agree, to significant buyers it is not an issue. However it is a significant advantage to significant amounts of smaller buyers.
642628;1398440212;mircea_popescu;ever clicked on her signature ?
642629;1398440220;mrwdunne;ThickAsThieves reputation is something that can be earned
642630;1398440240;ThickAsThieves;have you earned it?
642631;1398440267;mrwdunne;ThickAsThieves No, not yet
642632;1398440290;ThickAsThieves;what makes a UK exchange ideal over an EU one?
642633;1398440299;ThickAsThieves;like why is yours better than say https://bitcoin-central.net/
642634;1398440317;kakobrekla;FCA :D
642635;1398440328;mrwdunne;Free, instant bank transfers. Perfect regulatory environment for an exchange as there are no AML/KYC requirements.
642636;1398440337;mrwdunne;kakobrekla Yes, to a degree
642637;1398440348;ThickAsThieves;Perfect regulatory environment for an exchange as there are no AML/KYC requirements.?
642638;1398440356;mircea_popescu;mrwdunne dude seriously. you've been running this for what, six weeks ?
642639;1398440360;ThickAsThieves;none you acknowledge, or none that exist?
642640;1398440368;mrwdunne;ThickAsThieves None that exist
642641;1398440375;mircea_popescu;a perfect chair that's not been sat into is no sort of advantage. those things will count in five years.
642642;1398440378;ThickAsThieves;so i can money launder at will in the UK?
642643;1398440392;mrwdunne;ThickAsThieves no you cannot. There are just no reporting requirements
642644;1398440397;mircea_popescu;fuck, even nefario had a "perfect" regulatory environment for an exchange
642645;1398440402;mircea_popescu;he said so, to people, at his lolconference
642646;1398440409;mircea_popescu;two weeks before obscurely shutting down.
642647;1398440420;mrwdunne;Nefario was a scammer, essentially
642648;1398440429;ThickAsThieves;whats the distinction, how does AML exist if it doesnt exist?
642649;1398440450;mircea_popescu;mrwdunne he was an idiot, just like you are.
642650;1398440462;Naphex;mrwdunne: before i got splitted, i asked what is your defense against bank fraud considering 'instant' bank transfers?
642651;1398440465;mircea_popescu;unlike you, he didn't have the benefit of -assets existing.
642652;1398440467;mrwdunne;ThickAsThieves it does not exist for bitcoin exchanges in the UK, according to the FCA. We have no legal obligation to collect identification (we will be, but not for small buyers)
642653;1398440473;fluffypony;lawl - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=584283.0 - "Private message me if interested. Include in your message a personalized (custom) messaged signed from an address with at least $100,000 USD worth of bitcoins contained to prove qualification."
642654;1398440476;Naphex;as in hacked bank accounts, or clients wanting reversals because they inputed by mistake too many 0's
642655;1398440482;ThickAsThieves;you are not just a bitcoin exchange though
642656;1398440486;ThickAsThieves;you process cash too
642657;1398440517;mrwdunne;ThickAsThieves remarkably I have actually spoken with the FCA about this, as opposed to just reading their manuals.
642658;1398440545;ThickAsThieves;did they provide anything in writing for you?
642659;1398440551;ThickAsThieves;some kind of exemption or such?
642660;1398440582;mrwdunne;ThickAsThieves I have it in writing that they do not, and have no intention to regulate any bitcoin exchange
642661;1398440591;mrwdunne;Not an exemption
642662;1398440592;ThickAsThieves;care to share?
642663;1398440642;mrwdunne;This is already public knowledge, however I confirmed it with them. Hell I think coindesk did an article on it
642664;1398440650;ThickAsThieves;so show me
642665;1398440652;ThickAsThieves;i'm a noob
642666;1398440679;mrwdunne;ThickAsThieves http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-regulation-uk/
642667;1398440685;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.502 BTC [-]
642668;1398440702;mrwdunne;(That is not our private correspondence with them however)
642669;1398440733;ThickAsThieves;this is some bumfuck logic no? "However the FCA has not offered any constructive guidance or comment on the regulation of digital currencies. In fact, the FCA has gone as far as stating it does not regulate digital currencies and has no intention of doing so. The result is that bitcoin businesses in the UK are not obliged to register with or be authorised by the FCA."
642670;1398440763;mrwdunne;ThickAsThieves Sorry, I don't know what you mean by bumfuck logic
642671;1398440765;jurov;mrwdunne: but you are not bitcoin-only business
642672;1398440782;mrwdunne;jurov We got further confirmation from them behind closed doors
642673;1398440782;jurov;you'll be holding your customer's pounds
642674;1398440814;ThickAsThieves;the text specifies crypto itself
642675;1398440821;ThickAsThieves;not the buying or selling of it for fiat
642676;1398440834;mrwdunne;The article specifies crypto itself. We are not basing our compliance on an article
642677;1398440848;ThickAsThieves;look at it from a real world view
642678;1398440857;ThickAsThieves;can people launder money through your business?
642679;1398440859;mircea_popescu;50.02315578 << jd finally fixed itself!
642680;1398440868;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07199807 = 0.72 BTC [+] {4} 
642681;1398440869;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001291 = 0.1291 BTC [-]
642682;1398440890;ThickAsThieves;(launder fiat, specifically)
642683;1398440953;mircea_popescu;pankkake btw, explain pif to me ?
642684;1398440980;mrwdunne;ThickAsThieves No, we will be complying with the KYC/AML laws regardless.
642685;1398440981;pankkake;it's just not investing
642686;1398440993;jurov;recently there was this type of scam around: A buys from B something, B gives to A his exchange E's bank account
642687;1398440994;jurov;A then sends fiat to E, B exchanges them for bitcoins and vanishes without giving A anything
642688;1398440995;mircea_popescu;a just hold teh coins ?
642689;1398440996;jurov;A asks his bank to reverse payment.. what will you (E) do?
642690;1398440999;pankkake;yes :)
642691;1398441003;mircea_popescu;lol cool.
642692;1398441031;mircea_popescu;jurov recently in the sense of... since 2000 :)
642693;1398441032;mrwdunne;Jurov There are ways of ensuring deposits are not reversed.
642694;1398441033;ThickAsThieves;panbankke
642695;1398441036;Naphex;jurov, asked that too.. even hacked bank accounts
642696;1398441044;ThickAsThieves;bankkake
642697;1398441066;mircea_popescu;Naphex last numbers i've seen, about 85bn try to move through triangular transfers a year worldwide.
642698;1398441070;pankkake;I wonder what a bankkake would be…
642699;1398441071;mircea_popescu;about half manage to.
642700;1398441080;fluffypony;bank-bake
642701;1398441082;ThickAsThieves;sperm bank obv
642702;1398441084;Naphex;!up mircea_popescu
642703;1398441084;assbot;Voicing mircea_popescu without time-limit.
642704;1398441091;pankkake;nice
642705;1398441097;Naphex;!up mrwdunne
642706;1398441097;assbot;Voicing mrwdunne for 30 minutes.
642707;1398441107;mrwdunne;Thank you Naphex
642708;1398441122;ThickAsThieves;!down mircea_popescu
642709;1398441122;assbot;ThickAsThieves, you can't do that to mircea_popescu.
642710;1398441132;mike_c;!up mike_c
642711;1398441132;assbot;Really, mike_c?
642712;1398441139;ThickAsThieves;but what CAN i do to mircea_popescu?
642713;1398441140;mike_c;ooh, assbot got brains now.
642714;1398441165;mike_c;!up ThickAsThieves
642715;1398441165;assbot;Voicing ThickAsThieves without time-limit.
642716;1398441171;mike_c;!down ThickAsThieves
642717;1398441171;assbot;mike_c, you can't do that to ThickAsThieves.
642718;1398441191;mike_c;!kissmyass assbot
642719;1398441193;mircea_popescu;if tat were a girl it should say "munch munch munch"
642720;1398441205;ThickAsThieves;mike_c here's the website for the software guys http://cryptosysinc.com/ (the printout i shared in Timis)
642721;1398441223;ThickAsThieves;he was here earlier and will likely be back to hang out
642722;1398441236;ThickAsThieves;hopefully wotted up and such
642723;1398441260;mircea_popescu;ciil
642724;1398441262;mike_c;site needs moar css
642725;1398441263;asciilifeform;java ?!
642726;1398441281;Naphex;java is good
642727;1398441305;fluffypony;asciilifeform: ikr
642728;1398441313;Naphex;a good tool :]
642729;1398441334;fluffypony;Naphex: a sledgehammer is an amazing tool, but you try cutting a medium-rare steak with it
642730;1398441334;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
642731;1398441336;mike_c;ThickAsThieves: it looks like they are in no way biting off too much ;)
642732;1398441350;Naphex;fluffypony: ofc same with everything :]
642733;1398441358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
642734;1398441368;Naphex;but java gets you lots of bonuses early, when working on anything mid-size
642735;1398441385;mircea_popescu;fluffypony well if you flail it around fast enough you could generate enough plasma to cut a steak...
642736;1398441387;Naphex;speeds up development, keeps it tidy
642737;1398441392;fluffypony;hah hah
642738;1398441401;Naphex;you can JNI plug and do some C to make it faster
642739;1398441407;mircea_popescu;so what is this publicly traded corp you c'd for ?
642740;1398441429;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: the Altech Group
642741;1398441434;fluffypony;http://www.altech.com
642742;1398441444;mircea_popescu;decimation: but the "recovery" is great guys, just some snow, no problems here << in fairness, they were overissuing
642743;1398441478;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4819 @ 0.00094843 = 4.5705 BTC [+]
642744;1398441512;mircea_popescu;hm. ATNP is atlantis
642745;1398441519;mircea_popescu;where is this listed, sa se ?
642746;1398441556;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: JSE (Johannesburg Stock Exchange), which is our equivalent of the NYSE
642747;1398441586;mircea_popescu;JSE:ATNP allied ?
642748;1398441600;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.59776300 BTC to 7`210 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
642749;1398441607;asciilifeform;looks like they make cable boxes.
642750;1398441618;fluffypony;ah - http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/technology/2013/08/21/altech-delists-from-jse-after-buyout-by-parent-altron
642751;1398441620;fluffypony;delisted now
642752;1398441661;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 61.04601580 BTC to 80`674 shares, 75670 satoshi per share
642753;1398441703;fluffypony;worst two years of my life, so much discord and backstabbing and dick-measuring among their management
642754;1398441726;mircea_popescu;seem to be on an acquisition spree now, and pumping per share earnings
642755;1398441740;fluffypony;they're always on an acquisition spree
642756;1398441747;fluffypony;they got lucky early on with a couple of smart acquisitions
642757;1398441755;fluffypony;which then funded every acquisition
642758;1398441780;fluffypony;so then they buy stupidly, and if a company gets folded into your division/company you're fucked trying to integrate staff that don't want to be there
642759;1398441786;mircea_popescu;so what's your name again ?
642760;1398441788;fluffypony;especially management staff that are defunct
642761;1398441795;fluffypony;Riccardo Spagni
642762;1398441987;mircea_popescu;nice to meet you.
642763;1398442005;fluffypony;:)
642764;1398442027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0719999 = 0.144 BTC [+]
642765;1398442088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0719999 = 0.648 BTC [+]
642766;1398442210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 55 @ 0.070803 = 3.8942 BTC [-] {3} 
642767;1398442435;mircea_popescu;lol family concern of the venters, 1k p/e
642768;1398442439;mircea_popescu;what sort of lolcompany is this
642769;1398442489;fluffypony;it's ridiculous, daddy is smart and started a company, and then basically gave his sons companies and shitloads of money
642770;1398442503;fluffypony;Altech is successful in spite of its CEO, not because of it
642771;1398442529;fluffypony;!voice mrstickball
642772;1398442550;fluffypony;!up mrstickball
642773;1398442550;assbot;Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
642774;1398442551;fluffypony;that thing
642775;1398442568;Blazedout419;sup mrstickball
642776;1398442580;mrstickball;lots and lots of work
642777;1398442582;mrstickball;as always
642778;1398442588;Blazedout419;that is a good thing
642779;1398442592;mrstickball;turns out, there's a new crypto-security that is based out of Grove City
642780;1398442594;mircea_popescu;so who replaced you ?
642781;1398442596;mrstickball;so I am gonna meet with him soon
642782;1398442712;mrstickball;!up Mrstickball
642783;1398442712;assbot;Insufficient rights, mrstickball, !up yourself on PM first.
642784;1398442732;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: no clue, I left just before they folded Swistech into ISIS (Oct 2012), so whoever ended up managing that process would have been my replacement
642785;1398442759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07066246 = 0.9186 BTC [-] {4} 
642786;1398442763;mircea_popescu;anyway, this added an obscure foreign lolcorp for my shortlist
642787;1398442787;mrstickball;Blazedout419: look into Adeally... They're out of Grove City
642788;1398442804;mrstickball;its somewhat interesting. Not their business as much as they are using Counterparty
642789;1398442820;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03251 = 0.2601 BTC [+]
642790;1398442825;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: shortlist of companies never to deal with or invest in? coz that's where they should be on:-P
642791;1398442832;Blazedout419;;;gettrust mrstickball
642792;1398442832;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xhdulznzsjnbbbyc. Trust relationship from user Blazedout419 to user mrstickball: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Blazedout419&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul  5 18:09:54 2013
642793;1398442840;mrwdunne;Is that the online store? The one that valued themselves at several million?
642794;1398442846;Blazedout419;I woud think you can !up your self?
642795;1398442855;mrstickball;I can now, I think
642796;1398442860;mrstickball;mrwdunne: yeah, I think so
642797;1398442868;mrstickball;its a crypto penny auction site
642798;1398442878;mrwdunne;mrstickball It seemed like an interesting idea. But not worth close to that much
642799;1398442880;mircea_popescu;fluffypony no, just to keep short positions in
642800;1398442882;mrstickball;not the best plan per-se in terms of what it is, but the PPM and DD look good
642801;1398442892;fluffypony;ah ok
642802;1398442893;mrstickball;so its a weird combination of great plan, bad idea
642803;1398442908;mircea_popescu;once mr w croaks that thing's gone.
642804;1398443004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0706 = 0.5648 BTC [-]
642805;1398443065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00094897 = 8.1611 BTC [+] {3} 
642806;1398443092;mrstickball;!voice mrwdunne
642807;1398443116;mrstickball;!up mrwdunne
642808;1398443116;assbot;Voicing mrwdunne for 30 minutes.
642809;1398443124;mrwdunne;Thank you mrstick
642810;1398443126;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2} 
642811;1398443150;mrstickball;now we need a counterparty ticker..
642812;1398443208;fluffypony;who is this minerpart cat?
642813;1398443268;mircea_popescu;unclear.
642814;1398443275;mrwdunne;No one who seems very significant at this point in time
642815;1398443297;jurov;!up chetty
642816;1398443297;assbot;Voicing chetty for 30 minutes.
642817;1398443344;mrstickball;You can pull out the BTC from when people buy into your company, correct mrwdunne ?
642818;1398443351;mrwdunne;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=148712 Reputation isn't very good
642819;1398443352;ozbot;Login
642820;1398443357;mrwdunne;And mrstickball yes you can
642821;1398443364;mrwdunne;*yes I can
642822;1398443365;numerisTrade;hello
642823;1398443367;numerisTrade;do you have any experience with ititch.com (or can recommend any other bitcoin domain registrar)?
642824;1398443378;mrwdunne;namecheap.com is excellent numeristrade
642825;1398443400;mircea_popescu;or at least used to be. i dunno anyone used it itches  thingee, so you get to be the first.
642826;1398443429;artifexd;When will trading of s.mpif begin?
642827;1398443445;mircea_popescu;prolly next week
642828;1398443475;mircea_popescu;the idea being that it'll have its first report before the 5th, and that'll allow a nav, and then it can trade.
642829;1398443496;artifexd;ty
642830;1398443497;numerisTrade;mircea_popescu, is there any domain registrar you can recommend? What is wrong with namecheap.com?
642831;1398443542;mike_c;piffy nav is ~250 btc?
642832;1398443571;mircea_popescu;they were really great, but recently did a dumbass websiute redesign breaking everything. i bitched about it, they fixed some things, what can i say. nothing good endures
642833;1398443585;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/namecheap-goes-off-the-deep-end-anyone-know-a-decent-domain-registrar/ < the long version if you care.
642834;1398443586;ozbot;Namecheap goes off the deep end. Anyone know a decent domain registrar ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mir
642835;1398443598;mircea_popescu;mike_c should be about 200ish on start yes.
642836;1398443681;mircea_popescu;numerisTrade anyway, definitely a better bet than godaddy, which is unequivocally atrocious. maybe enom if you have a direct contract with them.
642837;1398443757;mircea_popescu;decimation: re: amazon, I've heard it's a tough life working there << but it's a large corp. of course they'd be managing the fuck out of all cost, neh ? afaik google is pretty much the only giant still trying to play the startup, otherwise even apple is bezos-ing it away.
642838;1398443782;bounce;http://mises.org/daily/2542 seems to say that the whole "unenforeable contracts" thing isn't that new
642839;1398443782;ozbot;The Enterprise of Customary Law - Bruce L.  Benson - Mises Daily
642840;1398443829;ThickAsThieves;The verdict is in, unless i'm ready to move to Romania, and/or MPEx blocks US customers, and/or I register as a broker/dealer with SEC, I must decline the MPIF mgr position due to legal concerns. Even then, it'd take a combination of those to have any remote chance of safety. :(
642841;1398443847;mircea_popescu;forward soviet!
642842;1398443864;ThickAsThieves;i need to gtfo usg
642843;1398443867;numerisTrade;thank you, mircea_popescu, for link and help
642844;1398443867;ThickAsThieves;:(
642845;1398443870;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: move to South Africa
642846;1398443897;bounce;well, then gtfo usg
642847;1398443902;fluffypony;we basically have no laws of real worth, and those that could possible get in your way seem to disappear at the wiff of money
642848;1398443924;ThickAsThieves;as an interesting aside, my lawyer, a former US Attorney, has expressed interest in coming here tp pick your brain MP
642849;1398443925;fluffypony;(not quite that bad, but it's a little wild-westish)
642850;1398443933;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: get on the fscking plane.
642851;1398443947;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves am i to charge him retainer ? :D
642852;1398443956;ThickAsThieves;hehe
642853;1398443966;ThickAsThieves;i told him "on YOUR time, not mine!"
642854;1398443971;bounce;isn't there a private jet thing for this sort of situation yet?
642855;1398444001;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: optionally - on the boat.
642856;1398444021;bounce;slow boat out of america
642857;1398444040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07111 = 0.2133 BTC [+]
642858;1398444041;mircea_popescu;who's the guy that crossed pacific in a barrel ?
642859;1398444055;bounce;great opportunity to catch up with the reading. *is a bit swamped*
642860;1398444056;ThickAsThieves;Super Mario?
642861;1398444101;bounce;can't trust a thing that guy claims, he's clearly on shroomz
642862;1398444103;asciilifeform;my puny brain boggles at folks who can afford to rocket out and still don't
642863;1398444104;ThickAsThieves;so anyone have any great leads on jobs in animal conservation in non-US countries?
642864;1398444124;bounce;"self preservation" ought to count *gdr*
642865;1398444129;mircea_popescu;fluffypony should be able to hook you up
642866;1398444133;BingoBoingo;http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/04/25/1227204/hp-server-killer-firmware-update-on-the-loose
642867;1398444133;ozbot;HP Server Killer Firmware Update On the Loose - Slashdot
642868;1398444140;mircea_popescu;his blondy looks like she's doing lots of animal conservationing :D
642869;1398444143;fluffypony;lol
642870;1398444152;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: yes, she can come here and look after our dogs, we have 6 of them
642871;1398444158;ThickAsThieves;lol
642872;1398444164;fluffypony;seriously tho, there are a bunch of programs
642873;1398444166;ThickAsThieves;more like saving rhinos and okapi
642874;1398444175;fluffypony;but they're pretty stupid because you pay them to be a volunteer worker
642875;1398444180;fluffypony;which seems insane
642876;1398444185;ThickAsThieves;she actually works for one that runs the Okapi Conservation Project
642877;1398444192;ThickAsThieves;except no way am i moving to the COngo
642878;1398444197;mircea_popescu;why the fuck not ?
642879;1398444204;ThickAsThieves;butt rape?
642880;1398444206;bounce;probably more effective to start a militia/hire a bunch of trigger happy goons/whatever and do some "long pig hunting" on poachers
642881;1398444212;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: the Congo's a tough haul for a white guy
642882;1398444219;mircea_popescu;he's not white.
642883;1398444224;ThickAsThieves;white enough
642884;1398444233;ThickAsThieves;worse, i'm portuguese
642885;1398444234;Naphex;bbl
642886;1398444235;mircea_popescu;he's just shy. these are not the same :D
642887;1398444238;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: anyone not tall, dark, and French speaking is white to them ;)
642888;1398444245;ThickAsThieves;we raped africa plenty
642889;1398444281;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves be a man, take the wife to the congo.
642890;1398444285;ThickAsThieves;lol
642891;1398444295;ThickAsThieves;teh peer pressure in thizs place!
642892;1398444298;mircea_popescu;worst that can happen is you end up dead. which will happen anyway.
642893;1398444300;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: in all seriousness, there are a number of really good programs out here that are always looking for help - I think I linked to these guys the other day, but in case not: http://www.jukani.co.za
642894;1398444319;asciilifeform;'coward dies a thousand deaths, brave man - one'
642895;1398444345;ThickAsThieves;luck can separate the brave from the fools
642896;1398444350;mrwdunne;I think people prefer to live for longer though. Definitely go and do some charity in Africa though - its a great experience
642897;1398444363;moiety;mew
642898;1398444369;bitcoinpete;asciilifeform: hail!
642899;1398444371;ThickAsThieves;but yknow i will bring up visiting Africa
642900;1398444391;ThickAsThieves;does S Africa have MLAT with US?
642901;1398444401;moiety;<ThickAsThieves> so anyone have any great leads on jobs in animal conservation in non-US countries? << manuls obviously
642902;1398444401;fluffypony;mlat?
642903;1398444407;fluffypony;oh googled
642904;1398444418;bounce;depends on what you think is "charity". plenty of the oh-so-selfless white influence hasn't done the continent a bit of good
642905;1398444419;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you don't bring it up. you go home and say "woman, we're leaving for the congo. pack stockings and tank tops, and read up on slim's guide to cook for bogart"
642906;1398444436;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/124466.pdf
642907;1398444438;fluffypony;so it would seem
642908;1398444459;ThickAsThieves;these USGs be so insidious
642909;1398444468;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07031794 = 0.7032 BTC [-]
642910;1398444503;ThickAsThieves;mp, to say as much would be to decide whether divorce is the answer
642911;1398444511;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: stay in usa - and perhaps we'll meet in our common gasenwagen.
642912;1398444521;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves women have this endless capacity to pleasantly surprise.
642913;1398444528;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0711095 = 0.1422 BTC [+] {2} 
642914;1398444529;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00094958 = 2.9437 BTC [+]
642915;1398444551;moiety;finally, someone noticed!
642916;1398444562;mircea_popescu;i knew it all along kitten.
642917;1398444563;fluffypony;looks like there's mutual extradition in place, but that they've refused to extradite before for a guy that could possibly have received the death penalty
642918;1398444570;fluffypony;"This infringed Mohamed's rights to human dignity, to life, and not to be punished in a cruel, inhuman or degrading manner. The Constitutional Court concluded that the handing over of Mohamed to the US government was unlawful"
642919;1398444590;mircea_popescu;fluffypony i wonder how much that cost.
642920;1398444611;fluffypony;lol
642921;1398444612;mrwdunne;What charges were they extraditing him on?
642922;1398444625;asciilifeform;russia doesn't extradite (anybody) but you might have other problems (Have Problems (TM)) there.
642923;1398444633;fluffypony;"Mohamed, a Tanzanian national, fled to South Africa after his involvement in the 1998 bombing of the US embassy in Dar-es-Salaam."
642924;1398444643;mircea_popescu;lmao
642925;1398444657;mircea_popescu;so they have an agreement, which they can't use to extradite terrorists ?
642926;1398444661;mircea_popescu;whoa how very fart reaching.
642927;1398444662;fluffypony;pretty much
642928;1398444680;mrwdunne;US doesn't have a very good track record when it comes to human rights and terrorism. Their judgement was probably the correct one
642929;1398444683;moiety;mircea_popescu: totally forgot i was due you cookies http://i.imgur.com/rswbqJI.jpg
642930;1398444691;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: before you move setup a fake murder in the US, and then if they try extradite you you can just claim that the death penalty is a possibility
642931;1398444693;fluffypony;problem solved
642932;1398444704;mircea_popescu;ahahah bears.
642933;1398444730;mircea_popescu;fluffypony you are clearly well qualified to give legal advice :D
642934;1398444733;ThickAsThieves;thats some fucked up legal system
642935;1398444740;ThickAsThieves;incentive to terrorize
642936;1398444744;moiety;:D yeah i havent found a manul cutter yet -- epic job for a 3D printer i reckon
642937;1398444750;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: clearly :-P
642938;1398444757;mircea_popescu;now who was i owing cookies to ? benkay ? kakobrekla ?
642939;1398444764;mircea_popescu;mike ain't getting one, he's rotund as it is.
642940;1398444764;ThickAsThieves;davout
642941;1398444780;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i don't trust davout. his girl only rated him a 3.
642942;1398444787;ThickAsThieves;mike aint rotund, he just has a jolly face
642943;1398444794;kakobrekla;not that id get any, but i dont like cookies :(
642944;1398444807;moiety;you'll be needing more then http://i.imgur.com/jKKEEjY.jpg these are actually shortbread mid-sugaring
642945;1398444809;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla well we're all out of tits.
642946;1398444814;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: ianal, but is owning foreign stock actually banned in usa?
642947;1398444822;mircea_popescu;!up quantyfikator
642948;1398444822;assbot;Voicing quantyfikator for 30 minutes.
642949;1398444831;kakobrekla;asciilifeform arent you getting out?
642950;1398444837;ThickAsThieves;asciilifeform, no thats not the issue
642951;1398444841;ThickAsThieves;but
642952;1398444854;ThickAsThieves;you are obligated to report any foreign account with more than $10k
642953;1398444867;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: i'd -like- to get out. that's quite different from actually escaping.
642954;1398444894;chetty;you can run but cannot hide
642955;1398444896;moiety;kakobrekla: i'll make savoury ones for you
642956;1398444898;benkay;mircea_popescu: i already got my cookie. but it was a different cookie.
642957;1398444912;ThickAsThieves;ascii with your brains and my tongue we could surive easily in any place
642958;1398444929;ThickAsThieves;thats sounds dirty
642959;1398444930;ThickAsThieves;lol
642960;1398444936;asciilifeform;chetty: reminiscent of traditional american saying: 'don't run from a sniper, you'll just die tired'
642961;1398444953;kakobrekla;asciilifeform working on it or only wishing ?
642962;1398444960;mircea_popescu;benkay nookie == cookie ?
642963;1398444976;moiety;vagina == cookie
642964;1398444987;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: you saw some of the work. so decide for yourself.
642965;1398445006;mike_c;rotund!  perhaps, but i am also strong like bull.  all you scrawny europeans couldn't bench press a girl.
642966;1398445021;mircea_popescu;mike_c i could benchpress any girl i;d care to fuck.
642967;1398445025;mircea_popescu;i know this, because... guess.
642968;1398445036;ThickAsThieves;you fuck only men?
642969;1398445040;mike_c;that's like short guys saying they don't like tall women. very self serving.
642970;1398445068;mircea_popescu;mike_c that's my middle name, m self serving p.
642971;1398445128;benkay;what's the middle name in a four name name? lol
642972;1398445137;mircea_popescu;lol
642973;1398445143;mircea_popescu;!up chetty
642974;1398445143;assbot;Voicing chetty for 30 minutes.
642975;1398445155;chetty;ty
642976;1398445177;benkay;http://letstalkbitcoin.com/maidsafe-wildly-successful-crypto-crowdsale-debacle/ << scammers accept mastercoin and bitcoin hoping mastercoin's too derpy for people to use, end up getting all msc go 'no no no you see we actually want your btc'
642977;1398445186;mircea_popescu;i quote, "<chetty> well you be glad to hear we're finally back to active programing on eulora - but right now need to hit the store for weekend supplies of milk and coffee  - back in a bit"
642978;1398445194;mircea_popescu;figure you folks prolly care too!
642979;1398445199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07031794 = 0.7735 BTC [-] {2} 
642980;1398445206;mircea_popescu;benkay lmao
642981;1398445246;asciilifeform;squadron of coffee to program converters?
642982;1398445260;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.07 = 1.26 BTC [-] {3} 
642983;1398445268;ThickAsThieves;“I think it’s a really interesting area," Cook said. "We have almost 800 million iTunes accounts and the majority of those have credit cards behind them. We already have people using Touch ID to buy things across our store, so it’s an area of interest to us. And it’s an area where nobody has figured it out yet.
642984;1398445268;ThickAsThieves;"I realize that there are some companies playing in it, but you still have a wallet in your back pocket and I do too which probably means it hasn’t been figured out just yet.� ~Tim Cook
642985;1398445269;benkay;why weren't they converting coffee to program in the first place, mircea_popescu ?
642986;1398445276;mircea_popescu;milk is probably for enticing manuls or something
642987;1398445318;asciilifeform;in argentina, there is 'pampas cat' instead
642988;1398445321;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19769 @ 0.00094804 = 18.7418 BTC [-]
642989;1398445322;asciilifeform;very similar-looking beast
642990;1398445336;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is, but moiety will never get to know.
642991;1398445339;asciilifeform;;;google pampas cat
642992;1398445339;gribble;Pampas cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pampas_cat>; Pampas Cat Facts - Big Cat Rescue: <http://bigcatrescue.org/pampas-cat-facts/>; Pampas cat videos, photos and facts - Leopardus colocolo | ARKive: <http://www.arkive.org/pampas-cat/leopardus-colocolo/>
642993;1398445371;asciilifeform;moiety could also escape, meet pampas cat.
642994;1398445374;benkay;<bitcoinpete> taleb's on a roll right now << link?
642995;1398445378;moiety;i like them too! they have stripy legs!
642996;1398445382;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.0001291 = 1.1619 BTC [-]
642997;1398445402;moiety;this is actually what got me thinking on expanding to a felinae site
642998;1398445405;mircea_popescu;ima pay 1 btc to taleb and 1 btc to whoever gets him to come here.
642999;1398445406;asciilifeform;;;google colocolo cat
643000;1398445407;gribble;Colocolo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colocolo>; Pampas cat videos, photos and facts - Leopardus colocolo | ARKive: <http://www.arkive.org/pampas-cat/leopardus-colocolo/>; Leopardus colocolo (Chilean Pampa Cat, Pampas Cat): <http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/15309/0>
643001;1398445431;bitcoinpete;benkay: same as the one posted the last few times in here: http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/notebook.htm
643002;1398445464;benkay;bitcoinpete: that's the footnotes to FBR?
643003;1398445468;benkay;(those're)
643004;1398445471;mircea_popescu;also in s.mpif news : juraj whom you know as jurov has accepted to take over pc #5.
643005;1398445505;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: un défi!
643006;1398445513;jurov;yes
643007;1398445540;moiety;do you get crazy [wild]cat ladies? if so, i need a tshirt
643008;1398445544;bitcoinpete;benkay: the notebook is like his blog, a running tally
643009;1398445546;benkay;;;later tell ThickAsThieves may i help you, sir?
643010;1398445547;ThickAsThieves;grats jurov
643011;1398445547;gribble;The operation succeeded.
643012;1398445569;benkay;;;later tell ThickAsThieves ah i see you wanted me to talk to MichalisBTC?
643013;1398445570;gribble;The operation succeeded.
643014;1398445574;ThickAsThieves;yeah
643015;1398445580;ThickAsThieves;he'll be back probly
643016;1398445584;bitcoinpete;jurov: indeed, best of luck!
643017;1398445586;ThickAsThieves;but the website link is there
643018;1398445658;jurov;thx
643019;1398445679;jurov;asciilifeform, you mentioned some code to rape other bots? imma interested ;)
643020;1398445918;mircea_popescu;"44% of Americans are living with less than $5,887 in savings for a family of four" << fun fact ? most romanians own more than that.
643021;1398445931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12201 @ 0.00094552 = 11.5363 BTC [-] {3} 
643022;1398446180;mircea_popescu;so, i stopped by the doc today had my blood pressure measured. anyone care to guess ?
643023;1398446189;jurov;120/80
643024;1398446201;mircea_popescu;(as a bonus hint, before retiring a good decade ago, i was doing something like 240/160)
643025;1398446210;jurov;100/60 if you had an erection
643026;1398446224;mircea_popescu;lol j
643027;1398446242;fluffypony;;;later tell davout just in case you have't seen this - http://www.pfhub.com/report-revenue-from-bitcoin-must-be-declared-to-french-authorities-602/
643028;1398446243;gribble;The operation succeeded.
643029;1398446345;BingoBoingo;135/90
643030;1398446347;mircea_popescu;dude the sa crew is actually doing a splendid job raping teh tardtalk forums
643031;1398446358;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo 130/90, you take the cake.
643032;1398446398;mircea_popescu;HeySteve: this place is becoming a real Dragon's Den, I'm thinking of writing something to that effect << by all means. maybe get nubbins to draw us all as pony dragons.
643033;1398446400;mircea_popescu;speaking of which
643034;1398446403;mircea_popescu;;;seen nubbins
643035;1398446403;gribble;I have not seen nubbins.
643036;1398446405;mircea_popescu;;;seen nubbins`
643037;1398446405;gribble;nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 14 hours, 18 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <nubbins`> you will need it if you don't want to have to download a client and python every time you boot
643038;1398446419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00094751 = 4.5007 BTC [+]
643039;1398446421;mircea_popescu;omfg our untalented drawer / sausage maker guy is gone! WHERE!
643040;1398446439;BingoBoingo;Fell into sausage grinder with nailgun?
643041;1398446442;mircea_popescu;come back nubsy we need ourselves drawn as flying dragon princesses
643042;1398446448;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: which SA crew?
643043;1398446459;mircea_popescu;fluffypony not sa as in south africa, sa as in something awful
643044;1398446463;fluffypony;oh lol
643045;1398446466;mircea_popescu;which admittedly is an easy enough mistake to make.
643046;1398446627;mircea_popescu;!up veeminer
643047;1398446627;assbot;Voicing veeminer for 30 minutes.
643048;1398446668;ThickAsThieves;Java updates are a scam: yes/no
643049;1398446672;BingoBoingo;yes
643050;1398446688;fluffypony;yes
643051;1398446700;ThickAsThieves;seems they are just veiled ads
643052;1398446710;ThickAsThieves;and/or reports to the mothership
643053;1398446724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16563 @ 0.00094834 = 15.7074 BTC [+] {2} 
643054;1398446724;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+]
643055;1398446741;fluffypony;I hate having to even have Java installed, but SuperMicro's IPMI requires it for remote console
643056;1398446759;mircea_popescu;fluffypony REFLASH IT
643057;1398446800;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: is there a non-Java IPMI bios available for their boards?
643058;1398446831;fluffypony;coz that shit irks me more than NameCheap's new design
643059;1398446895;mircea_popescu;nothing os afaik
643060;1398446904;fluffypony;leu sigh
643061;1398446936;mircea_popescu;they use what, vnc ?
643062;1398446956;fluffypony;I have nfi
643063;1398446968;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0711097 = 0.4978 BTC [-] {3} 
643064;1398446978;fluffypony;"The underlying protocol seems to be VNC, but with a different authentication scheme, making standard VNC clients useless. (Also it appears to be an OEM version of ATENs KVM/VNC stuff.)"
643065;1398446999;jurov;just use openjdk
643066;1398447000;mircea_popescu;what the hell useless. have your wizard rewrite the auth scheme
643067;1398447072;mircea_popescu;bs auth in-house giga scheme anyway, prolly more broken than a 50yo whore.
643068;1398447098;fluffypony;jurov: yeah I may just do that
643069;1398447140;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I think there are tons of undiscovered issues with all this non-standard IPMI shit, I'm waiting for something major to hit any time soon
643070;1398447151;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.508535 = 1.0171 BTC [+]
643071;1398447153;mircea_popescu;kinda why you have to have homebrew
643072;1398447158;mircea_popescu;for these sorts of shit.
643073;1398447182;fluffypony;yerp
643074;1398447304;veeminer;mircea_popescu: what?
643075;1398447335;mircea_popescu;going through the londerfull log of this mrwdune dood. did he at least have the sense to locate in Guernsey ?
643076;1398447342;mircea_popescu;!up heretostay
643077;1398447342;assbot;Voicing heretostay for 30 minutes.
643078;1398447348;mircea_popescu;veeminer sorry, what what ?
643079;1398447395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51199997 BTC [+]
643080;1398447396;ThickAsThieves;in the butt
643081;1398447457;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: how your software will handle large volumes << that's the funniest thing i read today.
643082;1398447526;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: well the point being that he has to have some more details on the proposal other than "money plz, will spend on sekuriteez and kode"
643083;1398447531;fluffypony;"and data center"
643084;1398447538;mircea_popescu;no i know, but ...
643085;1398447540;mircea_popescu;you know.
643086;1398447557;BingoBoingo;http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/which-states-hate-themselves-the-most-1567602325/+reubenfb
643087;1398447558;fluffypony;I know
643088;1398447558;ozbot;Which States Hate Themselves The Most?
643089;1398447570;fluffypony;he could probably do it in PHP for the volume he's going to get
643090;1398447571;fluffypony;:-P
643091;1398447616;jurov;;;bc,tslb
643092;1398447616;gribble;Error: "bc,tslb" is not a valid command.
643093;1398447620;jurov;;;tslb
643094;1398447625;gribble;Time since last block: 38 minutes and 40 seconds
643095;1398447632;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo did they leave out ny or am i blind
643096;1398447662;ThickAsThieves;41%
643097;1398447666;BingoBoingo;Blind, New York was a 41%
643098;1398447670;ThickAsThieves;Montana and Alaska at 77%
643099;1398447703;mircea_popescu;aok
643100;1398447717;ThickAsThieves;Illinois at 19%
643101;1398447755;ThickAsThieves;they just miss Obama
643102;1398447779;mircea_popescu;lol
643103;1398447991;mircea_popescu;lol counterparty.co srsly ? "pls to trade your bitcoinz for very valuable xcp"
643104;1398448007;BingoBoingo;Chicago dragging down the good middle of nowhere we have
643105;1398448028;mircea_popescu;https://forums.counterparty.co/index.php/topic,289.msg2078
643106;1398448029;ozbot;4/23 - URGENT COUNTERWALLET.CO SECURITY NOTICE
643107;1398448045;mircea_popescu;What Happened
643108;1398448045;mircea_popescu;Due in part to this process, we have been notified of a security bug in bitcoinjs-lib (the bitcoin javascript library counterwallet uses) that was internally disclosed to us by the bitcoinjs-lib team yesterday evening. We worked with them on applying a fix, which was made live late last night and this security notice was drafted pending confirmation from the team. However it appears the bug has already been exploited i
643109;1398448046;mircea_popescu;n the wild to take BTC.
643110;1398448066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50200001 = 1.004 BTC [-]
643111;1398448067;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 227 @ 0.0044 = 0.9988 BTC [-] {3} 
643112;1398448108;mircea_popescu;somehow i seem to have missed this ? did bitcoinjs announce something ?
643113;1398448127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50200001 BTC [-]
643114;1398448128;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 113 @ 0.0044 = 0.4972 BTC [-]
643115;1398448130;fluffypony;LOL
643116;1398448136;fluffypony;what a fail
643117;1398448148;mircea_popescu;wait, there's more.
643118;1398448150;mircea_popescu;"After scoring a major grant awarded by the Bitcoin Foundation, Coinpunk’s beta version is finally available. The project, which is being developed by the veteran startup founder Kyle Drake, intends to build the first fully open-source, self-hosted do-it-yourself Bitcoin wallet service that you can run on your own server."
643119;1398448180;mircea_popescu;"To reward the work of the developers, Drake is “offering three bounties of 0.20 BTC each for anyone that finds and fixes (via pull request) any bugs/code issues that potentially cause wallet data loss, a major security bug in the Coinpunk wallet code (coinpunk/models/wallet.js), bitcoinjs-lib, or in the random number generation code”."
643120;1398448189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6041 @ 0.00094962 = 5.7367 BTC [+]
643121;1398448197;mircea_popescu;the... wait for it... the random number generation code.
643122;1398448212;mircea_popescu;can i get a cup of coffee now ?
643123;1398448213;fluffypony;oh I saw that - it's a web wallet that you host yourself, because that seems like a great idea
643124;1398448233;fluffypony;because statistically speaking people know how to secure shitty/cheap VPS instances
643125;1398448244;ThickAsThieves;Now selling random numbers, .01 btc each!
643126;1398448246;jurov;it's a "wiggle mouse here" kind?
643127;1398448249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50200001 BTC [-]
643128;1398448250;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 112 @ 0.0044 = 0.4928 BTC [-] {3} 
643129;1398448263;mircea_popescu;but srsly, anyone heard of this major bitcoinjs-lib hole ?
643130;1398448310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.0044 = 0.3124 BTC [-] {3} 
643131;1398448347;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, the rng of the java thing is particularly atrocious. piuk (blockchaininfo) made some fixes on a fork)
643132;1398448432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.502 = 1.004 BTC [-]
643133;1398448433;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 327 @ 0.0044 = 1.4388 BTC [-] {4} 
643134;1398448488;jurov;;;tslb
643135;1398448493;gribble;Time since last block: 53 minutes and 9 seconds
643136;1398448500;jurov;zactly when i need it
643137;1398448509;asciilifeform;jurov: re: bots - consider some simple examples, you can probably think of
643138;1398448532;mircea_popescu;record
643139;1398448538;jurov;i did think of, and made countermeasures when i ran mine
643140;1398448556;jurov;but did not try to actively exploit
643141;1398448559;asciilifeform;jurov: e.g. if you can figure out that mr. whale runs bot with 'stop loss' at $x/btc, you can estimate resulting price move, effect on other such machines
643142;1398448567;asciilifeform;no rocket surgery, this
643143;1398448636;jurov;okay
643144;1398448687;asciilifeform;jurov: at the time i simply itched to write 'something with ai' that 'could money'
643145;1398448766;Naphex;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0USm3AilHiU - good tune to start your fridays ;]
643146;1398448766;ozbot;ZHU - Moves Like Ms. Jackson (Outkast Cover) - YouTube
643147;1398448862;moiety;<fluffypony> coz that shit irks me more than NameCheap's new design << dude, glad it's not just me. i seriously thought i'd gone to the wrong place for a second
643148;1398448872;kakobrekla;did you try it live ascii?
643149;1398448882;Blazedout419;ebay
643150;1398448888;Blazedout419;woops wrong windows
643151;1398448918;fluffypony;moiety: their old interface wasn't pretty, but I'm buying a domain...I wouldn't mind an ncurses interface if it worked well
643152;1398448934;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: tried it on recorded data stream from 'btc-e'. 'won' on some segments, lost on others. then mp gave me a demo account on mpex, where bots do no good, and i lost interest
643153;1398448970;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: if you actually find this interesting, i can say more
643154;1398448975;mrstickball;1hr since last block..
643155;1398448980;mrstickball;what happens if it reaches 1MB?
643156;1398448981;asciilifeform;i sort of assumed that everybody here had tried their hand at such things personally
643157;1398448985;moiety;fluffypony: it now looks like a hipster site of some sort
643158;1398448987;kakobrekla;yes continiue
643159;1398448989;mrstickball;do all transactions go to the next block once its mined?
643160;1398449020;moiety;fluffypony: oh and i dont mind what the site is like, as long as it isn't godaddy tbf
643161;1398449022;fluffypony;moiety: yeah, until you need to manage a domain, then you have the old interface iframe'd in to the Hipster Header
643162;1398449039;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: i concluded that one could actually do an interesting 'predator bot' if it has a heavy bag of coin to 'shake around' and cause (however small) price moves on demand.
643163;1398449039;mircea_popescu;^
643164;1398449047;kakobrekla;well i did have some robots on btcusd back in the day but prolly nothing as sophisticated as you
643165;1398449060;mircea_popescu;fluffypony really they backed off over twitter threats and general discontent
643166;1398449066;mircea_popescu;you should have seen the original version
643167;1398449085;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: perhaps i'll test this hypothesis one day. right after my nuke sub, etc.
643168;1398449086;moiety;i actually have hosting with namecheap D:
643169;1398449094;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform trader experience is that any strategy that starts with "if you had a lot of money" is a loser.
643170;1398449103;BingoBoingo;^
643171;1398449106;mircea_popescu;this is counter-intuitive perhaps, but quite true
643172;1398449118;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i believe it. notice i've no truck with any such thing at present.
643173;1398449120;fluffypony;moiety: I have a VPS with them that runs an Electrum server, and then all my international (non-.co.za) domains are with them
643174;1398449124;asciilifeform;don't recall how it came up.
643175;1398449128;kakobrekla;well with inifinite moneey theres no issue for sure
643176;1398449145;fluffypony;except for a handful of domain hacks for TLDs they don't offer
643177;1398449145;mircea_popescu;yeah. the master model of the preoblem is "cornering X market", such as the 5 i think to date attempts on silver/gold
643178;1398449146;asciilifeform;the point wasn't to merely 'with enough money' but specific target - dumb bots
643179;1398449148;moiety;when they opened up a uk data centre, they gave too good a deal. what i dont like is the hoops you have to jump through to get ssh access fluffypony
643180;1398449150;mircea_popescu;the copper pair and so forth
643181;1398449156;mircea_popescu;it NEVER works. it always seems like it just might.
643182;1398449165;fluffypony;moiety: is that for shared hosting or a VPS?
643183;1398449169;asciilifeform;i don't for a minute imagine it'd work against humans
643184;1398449172;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no but that's always what it is, "dumb x". the mkt isnt dumb
643185;1398449190;moiety;just shared, im not in anyway ready for vps type affairs fluffypony XD im just getting to grips with ssh!
643186;1398449201;asciilifeform;i originally had the thought when noticing a proliferation of particularly dumb bots running on gox etc
643187;1398449202;fluffypony;ah ok ok :)
643188;1398449213;asciilifeform;many, with published source
643189;1398449219;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform from a mathematical standpoint : the most important quality of markets is that you can't isolate participants.
643190;1398449220;asciilifeform;a very sorry sight, all of them
643191;1398449235;mircea_popescu;but yeah i remember that bs.
643192;1398449241;moiety;believe me when i have anything worth showing i'll be begging you all to take a tour :D (just be dont make me cry if im super proud!)
643193;1398449252;mircea_popescu;this was how mtgox managed to lose daytrading.
643194;1398449256;asciilifeform;in some particular cases (online poker table) you can in fact isolate the idiots (at least, long enough to squeeze juice)
643195;1398449267;asciilifeform;the idea was to engineer such a case
643196;1398449290;asciilifeform;but this is boring story.
643197;1398449292;kakobrekla;its impossible for me to do buy/sell bot on btc, im stuck in bull mode since ever, so my only game was straight forward arb
643198;1398449324;asciilifeform;i only tell it because i was foolish enough to mention it once here, and then kako asked 'how did it end'
643199;1398449327;mircea_popescu;anyone remember https://blockchain.info/address/1HKywxiL4JziqXrzLKhmB6a74ma6kxbSDj btw ?
643200;1398449338;kakobrekla;yeah blame it on kako
643201;1398449343;asciilifeform;lol
643202;1398449362;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla means "that's who she blamed" in slovenlyan right ?
643203;1398449373;kakobrekla;thats who she slandered
643204;1398449428;kakobrekla;whats that addy ?
643205;1398449441;fluffypony;kakobrekla: the Android Java RNG hack
643206;1398449443;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla remember the android hole last year ?
643207;1398449446;mircea_popescu;aye.
643208;1398449462;kakobrekla;the random() return 4; ?
643209;1398449469;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49907271 BTC [-]
643210;1398449470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03154 = 0.1577 BTC [-] {2} 
643211;1398449530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 400 @ 0.0075 = 3 BTC [+]
643212;1398449532;kakobrekla;the damage is rather small
643213;1398449536;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: aye, and duplicate signature nonces, and the obvious consequences
643214;1398449569;kakobrekla;myea
643215;1398449586;mircea_popescu;MrWDunne: Also the actual business plan is a 25 page PDF << i like this part best so far.
643216;1398449590;asciilifeform;re: IPMI: lol let's put a piece of remote-controlled strange on the system bus.
643217;1398449603;asciilifeform;gonna be great.
643218;1398449648;kakobrekla;i parsed it as "25 kg PDF" for some reason
643219;1398449674;fluffypony;asciilifeform: yeah I know, but it's better than our dedicated box at a DC here where I have to log a fault and they send an engineer out to press enter on the keyboard because it's stuck at the grub screen
643220;1398449677;mircea_popescu;is it better for the pdf to be heavy or long ?
643221;1398449687;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: i'm one of those weirdos who likes to print docs (mainly chip datashits) and has encountered 25kg pdfs.
643222;1398449697;kakobrekla;:D
643223;1398449722;fluffypony;I think it's important for PDFs to have images that haven't been compressed or resampled, because you really want that small logo at the top left to be a 2.5mb PNG
643224;1398449723;asciilifeform;fluffypony: an ordinary 'ip kvm' solves this
643225;1398449733;asciilifeform;the people pushing crap like ipmi have other motivations.
643226;1398449738;fluffypony;asciilifeform: agreed
643227;1398449783;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmFYGWkCMAE8CK6.jpg
643228;1398449793;mircea_popescu;russians caged like animals. art project.
643229;1398449810;mircea_popescu;fucking losers these kids. if i were 20 and doing a lulzy project like that, the russki'd be naked.
643230;1398449843;asciilifeform;lel
643231;1398449860;asciilifeform;'djvu' is better format for scans, anyway
643232;1398449868;asciilifeform;1/20th the size & rendering time
643233;1398449920;asciilifeform;a little like the diff. between 'mp3' and 'wav'
643234;1398449970;mircea_popescu;so romania has a large lawyer's forum, where pretty much everyone that's not fucktarded in the profession has an account. think fuckedcompany, except for lawyers.
643235;1398449972;mircea_popescu;http://www.avocatnet.ro/content/forum%7CdisplayTopicPage/topicID_423694/Vanzare-papagal-pentru-o-partida-de-sex-Cum-recuperez-pasarea.html
643236;1398449974;ozbot;Vanzare papagal pentru o partida de sex Cum recuperez pasarea?  Pagina 1 - Forum, Avocatnet.ro
643237;1398449983;mircea_popescu;people ask for free advice all the time. some of the shit's pretty weird.
643238;1398450000;mircea_popescu;this guy threw a party, asked a girl to sleep with him, she said she'll do it if he's "generous"
643239;1398450008;mircea_popescu;except, she wants no money, he wants is macaw
643240;1398450011;mircea_popescu;so he gives it to her.
643241;1398450036;mircea_popescu;then, the next day, guy realises that the bird costs 2500 euro and besides, he had it since it was a chick and htey had a special relationship
643242;1398450061;mircea_popescu;so... can he sue ? should he report her for prostitution ? is there some fruits of the poisonous tree doctrine ?
643243;1398450065;mircea_popescu;hilarity ensues.
643244;1398450128;asciilifeform;sounds more like 'enjo kosai' than prostitution
643245;1398450177;mircea_popescu;he's got nothing there, nobody ever granted a cause for anything but the most outrageous streetwalking.
643246;1398450223;mircea_popescu;prostitution is , in the romanian legal tradition, a part of the creating a public disturbance/being a bum area.
643247;1398450256;asciilifeform;in english world, 'soliciting'
643248;1398450294;mircea_popescu;"soliciting while being poor, unpleasant and unattractive, in a loud and obnoxious manner"
643249;1398450348;asciilifeform;how else could it work.
643250;1398450363;asciilifeform;'... for if it prospers, none dare call it treason' etc
643251;1398450384;mircea_popescu;i guyess
643252;1398450403;mircea_popescu;i dunno, the us is no longer sane, so one feels bound to insist.
643253;1398450443;asciilifeform;wait this was in us?
643254;1398450456;mircea_popescu;no no but you are :D
643255;1398450460;asciilifeform;lol
643256;1398450462;mircea_popescu;hehehe
643257;1398450519;mircea_popescu;btw, anyone here with a lot of insurance experience or connections ?
643258;1398450567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00094962 = 6.4574 BTC [+]
643259;1398450854;mircea_popescu;http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/17407-nra-to-push-national-reciprocity-for-concealed-carry-permit-holders?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
643260;1398450854;ozbot;NRA to push national reciprocity for concealed carry permit holders | United Liberty | Free Market -
643261;1398450878;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this has been an 'any day now' thing forever.
643262;1398450879;mircea_popescu;hey, if fags can be married everywhere regardless whether they married, why shouldn't rednecks carry wherever they go.
643263;1398450955;mircea_popescu;the strat is sound, that's how you push it.
643264;1398450965;ThickAsThieves;http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01963/breast_1963596a.jpg
643265;1398450969;mircea_popescu;http://pagesix.com/2014/04/24/warren-buffet-ordered-dairy-queen-a-coke-at-four-seasons/
643266;1398450970;ozbot;Warren Buffet ordered Dairy Queen, a coke at Four Seasons | Page Six
643267;1398450982;mircea_popescu;i swear to god i'd have kicked him out.
643268;1398450994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.0009503 = 1.3304 BTC [+]
643269;1398451005;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves looks like the right tit for the job.
643270;1398451063;ThickAsThieves;"Sharon Spink is used to turning heads when she breastfeeds her daughter in public." lol
643271;1398451095;asciilifeform;'buffet drinks the same coke as the beggar drinks' - literally true
643272;1398451097;mircea_popescu;sharon spink soulds like a super villain name
643273;1398451104;mircea_popescu;her power could be... i dunno, snatch.
643274;1398451129;ThickAsThieves;buffet resorts to shilling, another sign it's over
643275;1398451154;ThickAsThieves;The ketchup on my kobe better be Heinz!
643276;1398451184;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves prolly just codgery.
643277;1398451217;mircea_popescu;Meanwhile, “pretty young things swarmed Warren as soon he walked through the doors, asking to have photos taken with him,” said one observer. “He graciously did it. A few people asked him to open his wallet in the picture. Oddly enough, he did this too.” According to the onlooker, Buffett had “just a few dollars in his wallet.” The source added, “He’s more popular than the Dalai Lama!”
643278;1398451221;mircea_popescu;jesus these people.
643279;1398451227;kakobrekla;whats wrong with coke, its got sugar, caffeine and co2, all the bad shit you can have in one bottle
643280;1398451251;kakobrekla;the poison of choice
643281;1398451253;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: what in actual...eugh...
643282;1398451277;fluffypony;remind me never to click on breast.jpg links from TAT
643283;1398451313;kakobrekla;i dun get the hate
643284;1398451350;kakobrekla;maybe because ima beggar .
643285;1398451361;ThickAsThieves;lil girl was thirsty, dont judge
643286;1398451460;jurov;be glad WB did not order frappucino
643287;1398451483;fluffypony;jurov: thus secretly revealing himself to be Karpeles' father?
643288;1398451494;fluffypony;s/father/grandfather
643289;1398451527;mircea_popescu;http://pastebin.com/TrZeKFXs << is this fud ?
643290;1398451527;ozbot;"About a week ago some colleagues and I discovered a set of x509 certificates wh - Pastebin.com
643291;1398451543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00094933 = 4.3669 BTC [-] {2} 
643292;1398451564;BingoBoingo;Hmmm... Who has windows?
643293;1398451593;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: I have an XP VM I can fire up
643294;1398451600;mircea_popescu;i don't have samples.
643295;1398451613;asciilifeform;'nsakey'
643296;1398451621;fluffypony;oh XP is negative
643297;1398451623;fluffypony;nm
643298;1398451663;ThickAsThieves;i have some windows systems, but none are fresh
643299;1398451681;asciilifeform;first catch loch ness monster, then consider how to skin & stuff her.
643300;1398451904;ThickAsThieves;so ive had solar power for 3 days now, they come to collect check for install and say, hey yknow you should shut this off, because the new meter isnt installed by power co, it's actually making the count go up not down
643301;1398451925;ThickAsThieves;so basically i'm gonna be billed for like 400kw of power i gave to elec co
643302;1398451933;mircea_popescu;hahaha
643303;1398451954;mircea_popescu;wait you made 400kw in 3 days ?!
643304;1398451959;mircea_popescu;where the fuck do you live, the pentagon ?
643305;1398451976;ThickAsThieves;340m i just checked it
643306;1398451983;ThickAsThieves;340kwh
643307;1398451993;asciilifeform;let me guess, heat pump.
643308;1398451999;mircea_popescu;wtf.
643309;1398452006;mircea_popescu;;;calc 340 / 3 / 24
643310;1398452007;gribble;4.72222222222
643311;1398452013;mircea_popescu;5kW installed ?
643312;1398452013;ThickAsThieves;we have 38 units on the roof
643313;1398452020;ThickAsThieves;10k system
643314;1398452022;mircea_popescu;hey... more power to you.
643315;1398452025;ThickAsThieves;lol
643316;1398452033;ThickAsThieves;he says itll perform closer to 9
643317;1398452036;ThickAsThieves;per mo
643318;1398452051;jurov;i'd not use 24 hours in solar panel calculations
643319;1398452062;ThickAsThieves;no one would
643320;1398452064;mircea_popescu;lol
643321;1398452069;mircea_popescu;moonlight!
643322;1398452085;ThickAsThieves;oh you did
643323;1398452086;ThickAsThieves;hehe
643324;1398452094;asciilifeform;nah he's got an antipodal cable & 2nd set.
643325;1398452134;fluffypony;lol
643326;1398452144;fluffypony;that's how he gets news about China first?
643327;1398452158;fluffypony;best tin can phone ever
643328;1398452164;ThickAsThieves;guess how much the sys cost
643329;1398452178;ThickAsThieves;including hybrid water heater (not solar)
643330;1398452187;ThickAsThieves;$14k
643331;1398452195;ThickAsThieves;thank you obama
643332;1398452200;asciilifeform;gov.-subsidized, ah
643333;1398452206;mircea_popescu;lmao the derpage.
643334;1398452213;mircea_popescu;http://3w.blogidol.ro/2014/04/dmca-takedownvali-petcu-aka-zoso.html
643335;1398452214;ozbot;DMCA takedown–Vali Petcu aka Zoso | Blog Idol ro
643336;1398452234;fluffypony;wow, ThickAsThieves we'd pay $37k-ish for that here
643337;1398452243;mircea_popescu;tl;dr : blogger butthurt over blogger.com having deleted some pix off his blog. turns out... he had stolen them from some guy who had stolen them from trilema
643338;1398452248;ThickAsThieves;yeah it's $44k before rebates and shit
643339;1398452280;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves pretty sweet deal. i'd drop 15k on a 10kW solar system.
643340;1398452294;mircea_popescu;how much roof you got ? do they use all or just half ?
643341;1398452299;ThickAsThieves;half
643342;1398452299;fluffypony;likewise, in a heartbeat
643343;1398452311;ThickAsThieves;i was like i want more panelz!
643344;1398452320;mircea_popescu;what surface ?
643345;1398452327;moiety;that blogger is ridiculous btw
643346;1398452328;ThickAsThieves;?
643347;1398452329;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: betcha you could buy a soviet rtg pod for <$10k
643348;1398452339;ThickAsThieves;facing east and south
643349;1398452342;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves what surface is your roof
643350;1398452352;mircea_popescu;like, in sq fett
643351;1398452362;ThickAsThieves;no idea
643352;1398452376;mircea_popescu;zese marketing ppls.
643353;1398452378;ThickAsThieves;house is like 2700 sq ft if you incl garage
643354;1398452385;mircea_popescu;you live there! a ok so like 5k
643355;1398452397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.0009503 = 8.3626 BTC [+]
643356;1398452399;mircea_popescu;pretty sweet.
643357;1398452444;mircea_popescu;they got a similar system here but it dopesn't cover 2/3 of the cost, more like 1/3, and the red tape is beyond obnoxious.
643358;1398452463;ThickAsThieves;the install co handled all red tape
643359;1398452470;ThickAsThieves;it's some kinda lottery thing
643360;1398452483;ThickAsThieves;where they have to bombard th computer system when lottery goes live
643361;1398452498;ThickAsThieves;we were like 8th on waiting list, which is basically a shoe-in
643362;1398452543;kakobrekla;actually a 50kw solar plat that i know of comes online with just over 50w on a clear night
643363;1398452579;kakobrekla;also moon.
643364;1398452583;mircea_popescu;:D
643365;1398452587;dooglus;https://just-dice.com/mpif tells you the current S.MPIF JD investment size
643366;1398452598;mircea_popescu;dooglus ah now that's some sweet coding
643367;1398452600;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: probably more from light pollution (city lights reflected down)
643368;1398452616;kakobrekla;no no asci its from the moonž
643369;1398452618;kakobrekla;-ž
643370;1398452751;ThickAsThieves;dat jf mpif manager has great performance
643371;1398452755;ThickAsThieves;jd*
643372;1398452759;ThickAsThieves;give him a raise
643373;1398452761;fluffypony;dooglus: moiety would love if that had a responsive hipster layout with lots of CSS and jQuery
643374;1398452785;mircea_popescu;dooglus now if only cloudflare didn't redirect me to root
643375;1398452796;ThickAsThieves;install a button that let;s you up the font size too
643376;1398452814;mircea_popescu;50.23890514 so wait omfg, this is up... 0.4% ?
643377;1398452820;Duffer1;ctrl + mousewheel TaT
643378;1398452827;ThickAsThieves;tis a jok
643379;1398452829;mircea_popescu;we haven't even started yet o.O
643380;1398452831;Duffer1;oh
643381;1398452844;ThickAsThieves;that's 146%/year!
643382;1398452847;*;moiety puts on specs that have no glass
643383;1398452847;ThickAsThieves;buy buy buy
643384;1398452866;kakobrekla;i thought this was gonna be a competition.
643385;1398452881;mircea_popescu;;;calc ((0.23890514/50)+1)**365
643386;1398452882;gribble;5.69651294191
643387;1398452887;mircea_popescu;469% even
643388;1398452939;jurov;much extrapolate
643389;1398452940;jurov;wow
643390;1398452953;mircea_popescu;http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/23/Why-my-daughter-doesn-t-recycle-an-economics-professor-s-letter-to-his-child-s-teacher
643391;1398452954;ozbot;'Why my daughter doesn't recycle': an economics professor's letter to his child's teacher
643392;1398452963;mircea_popescu;jurov CLEARLY ITS A GOLF CLUB PATTERN
643393;1398452967;mike_c;yes.. and if cloudflare didn't prevent me from getting it through code.  gotta love cloudflare.
643394;1398452992;mircea_popescu;dooglus do you have assbot ip whitelisted ?
643395;1398452998;mircea_popescu;mebbe kakobrekla adds it to !jd command
643396;1398452999;mike_c;similarly https://just-dice.com/wagered.txt is not accessible from scripts.
643397;1398453037;mike_c;which is annoying for people trying to automatically genrate statistics to report on such things :)
643398;1398453071;mircea_popescu;^
643399;1398453082;Naphex;cloudflare sucks
643400;1398453086;Naphex;why are people still using it
643401;1398453100;kakobrekla;assbot is whitelisted for the general stats, i dont know if that coveres the new link
643402;1398453105;mircea_popescu;dooglus mike_c runs http://www.btcalpha.com/ prolly want to be on his good side :p
643403;1398453133;mike_c;he is, as he was very helpful when i was writing up the original post on JD.  but easier access to stats would be nice.
643404;1398453190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 850 @ 0.0009503 = 0.8078 BTC [+]
643405;1398453251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00095057 = 3.5646 BTC [+] {2} 
643406;1398453351;Naphex;hey mike_c can we add BTCXChange on btcalpha?:p
643407;1398453417;mike_c;well, it's more geared towards btc investments.  not sure what I would put up.
643408;1398453423;Naphex;ah
643409;1398453447;mrstickball;Anyone know of any Bitcoin businesses in Ohio? My company may be purchasing a huge complex, and want to create a facility that can house crypto startups
643410;1398453467;mike_c;although i am sure you will get a mention/link when i cover s.mpif
643411;1398453470;kakobrekla;so you gonna do real time coverage of mpif mike_c ?
643412;1398453476;jurov;mrstickball: rentalstarter?
643413;1398453482;mrstickball;other than them
643414;1398453483;mike_c;kakobrekla: interesting idea.
643415;1398453496;mrstickball;RentalStarter, BuyAHash and Adeally are out of Ohio
643416;1398453498;mrstickball;looking for others
643417;1398453556;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0719029 = 0.1438 BTC [+]
643418;1398453562;mircea_popescu;i would say these are exciting times.
643419;1398453592;mrstickball;mircea_popescu: only if you didn't have me on ignore
643420;1398453595;Naphex;dunno about that
643421;1398453599;Naphex;i'm pretty bored
643422;1398453691;moiety;are there still forumites 3D printing things for btc?
643423;1398453793;jurov;moiety 3dtlac.com (not forumites, but gave me nifty btc keyfob)
643424;1398453837;moiety;oooo thanks very much jurov!
643425;1398453889;moiety;oh i like their rainbowness too
643426;1398453946;danielpbarron;I lost funds in that counterparty bug; nice to see that they are offering reembursements now.. gonna have to follow those steps i guess
643427;1398454033;danielpbarron;I told them about it at least a week ago; took them until now to officially admit it was a problem on their end?
643428;1398454079;mircea_popescu;how much did you lose, how did you find the problem etc ?
643429;1398454104;mircea_popescu;and they seem to be claiming it was a problem with bitcoinj which i find somewhat dubious
643430;1398454220;danielpbarron;about 0.3 BTC (not that much)
643431;1398454244;danielpbarron;I was one of the first users of their web wallet
643432;1398454252;mircea_popescu;aha
643433;1398454288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6252 @ 0.00094837 = 5.9292 BTC [-]
643434;1398454307;danielpbarron;I found out after I had finished moving all my assets to their new web wallet, went to eat breakfast, come back to see my BTC has been moved
643435;1398454365;danielpbarron;I started the asset MEAT on the counterparty exchange, which until very recently was the only asset traded on there
643436;1398454403;jurov;!up joecool
643437;1398454403;assbot;Voicing joecool for 30 minutes.
643438;1398454413;danielpbarron;but I stopped using it ever since that bug happened, and also because everyone in here advised me to leave
643439;1398454839;thestringpuller;that's because counter party will likely become GLBSE
643440;1398454862;mircea_popescu;"My impression is that the feel-good guys are incompetent and stupid and need others to be nice to them because if other people were fair and just to them, they would suffer tremendously, and therefore defend other incompetent and stupid people because they can identify with the sloppy bastards, but not with those who actually do their job well and have that as their primary motive and their reason both for asking ques
643441;1398454862;mircea_popescu;tions and providing answers to problems from others who also want to do their job well and who find their enjoyment in their capacity to do just that."
643442;1398454867;mircea_popescu;gnarly phrase competition winner.
643443;1398454892;asciilifeform;norwegians ftw.
643444;1398454893;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: who said that?
643445;1398454900;mircea_popescu;noggin
643446;1398454907;mircea_popescu;i mean naggum
643447;1398454908;mircea_popescu;wait.
643448;1398454917;asciilifeform;ibsen.
643449;1398454918;mircea_popescu;there we go :D
643450;1398454939;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3243007932071437@naggum.no.html
643451;1398454944;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform's link
643452;1398454985;asciilifeform;i like digging out unexploded shells from great flamewors of teh past
643453;1398454990;asciilifeform;but i'm a weirdo
643454;1398455070;mircea_popescu;norse flamewhores
643455;1398455085;asciilifeform;pulled by housecat chariot.
643456;1398455096;thestringpuller;Act from reason, and failure makes you rethink and study harder.
643457;1398455103;thestringpuller;that's a good quote
643458;1398455120;asciilifeform;speaking of, if anybody wants a 'compact' dead lang, - old norse
643459;1398455195;asciilifeform;http://norse.ulver.com/dct/zoega/
643460;1398455203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00094541 = 16.5447 BTC [-] {3} 
643461;1398455325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC
643462;1398455350;mircea_popescu;!up belcher
643463;1398455350;assbot;Voicing belcher for 30 minutes.
643464;1398455447;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0713 = 0.2852 BTC [-]
643465;1398455553;asciilifeform;for anyone fond of naggumisms (whether to cheer or vivisect,) here's more -
643466;1398455554;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165
643467;1398455555;ozbot;Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum
643468;1398455561;asciilifeform;(yeah posted here before, ages ago)
643469;1398455571;mircea_popescu;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--E7j7p4lU--/c_fit,fl_progressive,w_636/jkgwlgpzwrgbycvi3u85.jpg
643470;1398455576;mircea_popescu;is woman holding geiger counter ?
643471;1398455594;mike_c;i think that's an ipod
643472;1398455621;asciilifeform;'rio' mp3 player.
643473;1398455625;mircea_popescu;damned 1940s hipster time travelers
643474;1398455634;mircea_popescu;;;google radio portabil ric
643475;1398455634;kakobrekla;portable ladies mirror
643476;1398455635;asciilifeform;http://www.minidisc.org/RioPlay.gif
643477;1398455635;gribble;Portable AM/FM Radios | eBay: <http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Portable-Radios-/96954/i.html>; RBR-4 — Standards for the Operation of Radio Stations in the ...: <https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/eng/sf10650.html>; RIC-7 — Basic Qualification Question Bank for Amateur Radio ...: <http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/smt-gst.nsf/en/sf09338.html>
643478;1398455738;mircea_popescu;http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--I7BrG8aK--/c_fit,fl_progressive,w_636/nsrieshcfpe5judn5k1r.jpg
643479;1398455743;mircea_popescu;Buy.More.Bonds.
643480;1398455750;BingoBoingo;Great Justice
643481;1398455751;BingoBoingo;http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/24/world/asia/japan-whaling/index.html?sr=tw042514whalehunting330pstorylink
643482;1398455751;ozbot;Japanese whaling to continue despite court ruling - CNN.com
643483;1398455752;mircea_popescu;this'd be apretty cool advertising ploy for s.mpif
643484;1398455816;TomServo;no loafing!
643485;1398455831;asciilifeform;now for the pepsi:
643486;1398455832;asciilifeform;http://www.bestads.lt/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/SovietPropaganda6.jpg
643487;1398455906;mircea_popescu;the funniest one is the KEEP CLOTHI
643488;1398455912;mircea_popescu;what was it, on or off ?
643489;1398455921;asciilifeform;http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Original-Soviet-Poster-1963-Factory-Industrial-Very-Rare-Russian-Propaganda-/00/s/NzAwWDcwMA==/z/eyYAAOxyUrZSrLJv/$_58.JPG
643490;1398456022;asciilifeform;'here great machines must sit forgot / because the idler wants to nod...'
643491;1398456045;mircea_popescu;http://www.vox.com/2014/4/25/5653390/chipotle-s-calorie-labels-are-a-lie
643492;1398456052;mircea_popescu;calories ? 10 to 900
643493;1398456362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07182 = 0.1436 BTC [+]
643494;1398456421;benkay;someone's visiting the chipotles at the tail of the upgrade cycle
643495;1398456452;benkay;any reasonably high-traffic chipotle publishes numbers for individual items, eg guac, sour cream, cheese, various salsas, the different meats...
643496;1398456523;benkay;plus also lets ignore that the base measure is +/- 20% iirc, cuz what's research anyways when you're chasing provocative headlines.
643497;1398456545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1999 @ 0.0002289 = 0.4576 BTC [+] {3} 
643498;1398456559;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: did you ever encounter the tale of 'подвиг ради�та' as schoolboy?
643499;1398456564;mircea_popescu;mnop
643500;1398456570;mrstickball;what's this about Chipotle publishing numbers for items?
643501;1398456573;mrstickball;how does that work, benkay
643502;1398456576;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.stalingrad-battle.ru/images/stories/ris42.jpg
643503;1398456579;mircea_popescu;benkay o hey, im a total noob when it comes to all these topics
643504;1398456597;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol "dreaming of kansas" ?
643505;1398456601;mrstickball;what's that supposed to be of, asciilifeform ?
643506;1398456619;asciilifeform;mrstickball: fellow who pinched a broken wire with his teeth, died in the correct position
643507;1398456636;asciilifeform;one of those soviet legends that 'everybody knew'
643508;1398456656;asciilifeform;if modern sysop monkeys had myths & legends, they'd pick up this one
643509;1398456680;Naphex;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQm5BnhTBEQ now guys in the desert, they get bored hardcore ;o
643510;1398456680;ozbot;Saudi's Again Changing Wheels/Tyres while driving - YouTube
643511;1398456728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00095136 = 21.691 BTC [+] {4} 
643512;1398456743;mrstickball;so he pinched a wire with his teeth and got electrocuted?
643513;1398456761;asciilifeform;field telephone.
643514;1398456798;danielpbarron;he kept the current flowing, even in death
643515;1398456821;mrstickball;i see
643516;1398456824;asciilifeform;that's the legend anyway
643517;1398456850;asciilifeform;interestingly, подвиг doesn't translate to eng.
643518;1398456852;benkay;naphex why are both front and rear wheels stationary?
643519;1398456896;Naphex;differential probably
643520;1398456948;benkay;they'd still be spinning though, right? diff only has an effect when turning.
643521;1398456970;benkay;unless it's some crazy e-diff? and they've hacked it to say 'don't spin up wheel'?
643522;1398456984;nubbins`;mircea_popescu http://imgur.com/VG85ul7 < this is pretty close to the final draft
643523;1398456988;Naphex;nah i it's the same on my audi/quattro
643524;1398457001;mircea_popescu;nubbins` ahaha
643525;1398457009;Naphex;if wheel doesn't do contact it doesn't spin
643526;1398457016;mircea_popescu;the bearded dragon lighther
643527;1398457031;nubbins`;now imagine two of those straddling a shield with some leafwork on top/bottom
643528;1398457048;mircea_popescu;do i get a heart butt tattoo ?
643529;1398457048;Naphex;probably the diff or systems like ASR/ESP, not really sure.
643530;1398457050;nubbins`;men would go to war under such a banner!
643531;1398457074;nubbins`;i think that might be from the ol' heart-shaped-sticker-in-the-tanning-booth trick, but i'm not sure
643532;1398457081;Naphex;ASR only operates in conjunction with the Electronic Accelerator (E gas) and uses components of the Anti-lock Brake System (ABS). If one wheel suddenly begins to rotate faster than the others (slip), ASR intervenes in the engine management system and reduces power until the wheel stops spinning.
643533;1398457152;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/1vmEJij
643534;1398457152;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
643535;1398457178;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/pOhMaAm
643536;1398457178;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer
643537;1398457302;mircea_popescu;muy hipster!
643538;1398457308;asciilifeform;lol, google's best transl. of 'подвиг' is... 'exploit.'
643539;1398457582;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00023001 = 0.115 BTC [-]
643540;1398457704;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03252 = 0.2276 BTC [+]
643541;1398457705;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8108 @ 0.00095174 = 7.7167 BTC [+] {2} 
643542;1398458070;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC
643543;1398458180;mircea_popescu;http://imgur.com/a/OKLDf
643544;1398458181;ozbot;Balconies are for the Birds - Imgur
643545;1398458216;jurov;asciilifeform: isn't подвиг heroic deed?
643546;1398458244;nubbins`;:D
643547;1398458281;jurov;asciilifeform, also i think you assume there was more cultural exchange between ussr and its colonies than there actually was
643548;1398458281;fluffypony;here
643549;1398458284;fluffypony;for the hipsters
643550;1398458285;fluffypony;http://spagni.net/jdmpif/
643551;1398458306;jurov;iirc, it was actually discouraged because it would create conternation on both sides
643552;1398458326;jurov;*consternation
643553;1398458352;fluffypony;mike_c: I figured out how to scrape through CloudFlare, if you need me to make the jd mpif number available for you or explain how to walk past cloudflare
643554;1398458358;fluffypony;complete PITA
643555;1398458367;Naphex;http://oglaf.com/illusionist/
643556;1398458368;ozbot;the Illusionist
643557;1398458376;Naphex;there's a lesson there
643558;1398458389;mike_c;yeah.. i've seen PITA ways with scraping the cloudflare response, grabbing the JS shit and posting some form or something.
643559;1398458400;mike_c;all of which breaks when cloudflare tweaks their page
643560;1398458409;fluffypony;oh
643561;1398458412;mike_c;i didn't feel like participating in the arms race
643562;1398458413;fluffypony;no, this is unbreakable
643563;1398458422;mike_c;oh? do tell.
643564;1398458434;fluffypony;lemme pastebin
643565;1398458500;fluffypony;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=v0Zscx9Q
643566;1398458505;fluffypony;phantomjs script
643567;1398458519;fluffypony;just /usr/bin/phantomjs that script
643568;1398458537;fluffypony;it loads the page, lets the js/meta-redir/whatever they add execute for 10 seconds
643569;1398458542;fluffypony;and then dumps the page down
643570;1398458557;fluffypony;you end up with: <html><head></head><body><pre style="word-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap;">50.24414705</pre></body></html>
643571;1398458572;fluffypony;so you still have to strip tags
643572;1398458588;fluffypony;but it'll work for all changes except a captcha, and you can run it every 10s
643573;1398458592;mike_c;ah. i thought about doing something like that with selenium.  i haven't tried phantomjs.
643574;1398458596;mike_c;thanks
643575;1398458602;jurov;mike_c: guess i'll need to feed you marketmaker bot's trades, yo?
643576;1398458615;mike_c;i don't know if i'll go that route though.  i hate web scraping.
643577;1398458620;fluffypony;selenium is nice, phantomjs is headless
643578;1398458631;kakobrekla;just get whitelisted
643579;1398458632;mike_c;jurov: yeah, that would cool.  if you provide it I will ingest it
643580;1398458637;fluffypony;I hate having to have a UI on a server, lol
643581;1398458675;kakobrekla;jurov you will be mm on mpif ?
643582;1398458680;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07000335 = 0.28 BTC [-] {3} 
643583;1398458681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12916 @ 0.0009455 = 12.2121 BTC [-] {3} 
643584;1398458692;mike_c;whitelist what, IP address?  api keys would be nicer.
643585;1398458692;jurov;kako yes, TAT declined, so mp asked me
643586;1398458697;kakobrekla;cool
643587;1398458741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20080 @ 0.00094464 = 18.9684 BTC [-] {3} 
643588;1398458797;kakobrekla;mike_c  yes ip
643589;1398458833;kakobrekla;or i can proxy it for you
643590;1398458858;mike_c;i like that idea
643591;1398458862;kakobrekla;dammit.
643592;1398458863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00094403 = 6.1362 BTC [-]
643593;1398458864;kakobrekla;:D
643594;1398458865;mike_c;hah
643595;1398458898;mike_c;IP whitelists are just PITA for everyone.  api keys are so much easier..
643596;1398458913;fluffypony;yeah except CloudFlare doesn't support anything like that
643597;1398458942;mircea_popescu;Naphex http://trilema.com/2013/the-strange-case-of-the-delusionist-and-later-stories/
643598;1398458985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07170659 = 0.1434 BTC [+] {2} 
643599;1398459041;bounce;oh, while I know next to nothing of trading, I have a possible mm candidate: moriarty, the one of spamming come to ##econometrics (in)fame
643600;1398459042;benkay;hey hanbot is 'hanbot' an acceptable way to refer to you now that you're not stalking the forums as 'MPOE-PR'?
643601;1398459075;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust moriarty
643602;1398459076;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user moriarty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=moriarty | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moriarty | Rated since: never
643603;1398459086;mircea_popescu;you gotta be kidding me.
643604;1398459107;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5000001 BTC [+]
643605;1398459108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00439988 = 0.22 BTC [-]
643606;1398459116;bounce;your due diligence is going to be a bit of a whale, yes
643607;1398459141;mike_c;fluffypony: surely you can have URL patterns that don't get cloudflared?  if not, stats.just-dice.com would work.
643608;1398459168;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.0044 = 0.2772 BTC [+]
643609;1398459179;jurov;+ CDN worth its name
643610;1398459190;fluffypony;mike_c: I don't know if you can exclude it in CF's PageRules, never bothered checking, but you can have a subdomain (CNAME / A record) and just turn CF protection off for it
643611;1398459208;fluffypony;which is what most do - www. and @ is protected, api. is not
643612;1398459220;Naphex;mircea_popescu:  :D
643613;1398459230;fluffypony;(and api normally lives on separate hardware so the site stays up in the event of a DDoS on the API layer)
643614;1398459257;jurov;i suggest just using normal CDN
643615;1398459261;jurov;for it
643616;1398459282;Naphex;or just set up your own proxy/load balancer/cleaner
643617;1398459291;Naphex;cloudflare just setup varnish
643618;1398459351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 440 @ 0.0044 = 1.936 BTC [+]
643619;1398459356;Naphex;i got like ~100GB/s DDoS protection from the datacenter, after they cut upstream
643620;1398459531;hanbot;benkay hanbot's fine, or hannah, mpoe-pr, whatever. just don't call me eddie-baby. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXhnzIO5N30
643621;1398459560;benkay;late for dinner it is, then.
643622;1398459656;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [-]
643623;1398459766;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 227 @ 0.0044 = 0.9988 BTC [+] {2} 
643624;1398459814;fluffypony;benkay: always late for everything except for every meal?
643625;1398459889;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0044 = 0.308 BTC [+]
643626;1398459906;benkay;;;ticker
643627;1398459907;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 463.5, Best ask: 466.17, Bid-ask spread: 2.67000, Last trade: 466.17, 24 hour volume: 32390.83705859, 24 hour low: 438.05, 24 hour high: 505.0, 24 hour vwap: 465.483723915
643628;1398459911;benkay;dag.
643629;1398460160;kakobrekla;!jd
643630;1398460160;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 16476 BTC profit, 36.1k BTC invested, 1100.33 mio bets, 5.20 mio BTC wagered
643631;1398460163;kakobrekla;!jd mpif
643632;1398460164;assbot;Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.24467048 BTC
643633;1398460169;mircea_popescu;ha!
643634;1398460171;mircea_popescu;splendeed
643635;1398460204;mircea_popescu;btw, you have one for panacea too ? :D
643636;1398460236;mircea_popescu;could be !mpif, spits out jd, panacea :D
643637;1398460240;kakobrekla;i dun think i can do that there because of the fee structure
643638;1398460261;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC
643639;1398460262;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.00737639 = 0.1549 BTC [-] {2} 
643640;1398460263;mircea_popescu;oh
643641;1398460277;mircea_popescu;but i mean... at any point you must somehow know the maximum im allowed to withdraw
643642;1398460292;mircea_popescu;like i go... pls to pay me back 100 btc. you say well... you ain't got 100 btc. how do you know i don't ?
643643;1398460320;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07117736 = 0.7118 BTC [+] {2} 
643644;1398460321;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.0044 = 0.2068 BTC [+] {3} 
643645;1398460333;kakobrekla;like we discussed, the accounting is done at the end of the month
643646;1398460349;kakobrekla;at that point withdrawals are done
643647;1398460354;mircea_popescu;ah yeah. a fixed figure for 1 month isnt too useful
643648;1398460358;mircea_popescu;aite!
643649;1398460372;kakobrekla;theres 2 things
643650;1398460385;kakobrekla;- you can see the trades so you can estimate something from that
643651;1398460390;mircea_popescu;maybe add the trades in chan ?
643652;1398460395;mircea_popescu;iirc they weren't very numerous
643653;1398460411;kakobrekla;i think its 5 this month
643654;1398460418;mircea_popescu;so add them to assbot feed.
643655;1398460564;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
643656;1398460625;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0075 = 0.3 BTC [+]
643657;1398460626;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC
643658;1398460936;benkay;what's the endgame for counterparty look like?
643659;1398460968;benkay;it's not a classic GLBSE in the sense that someone's going to shut it down. theoretically anyone can walk the 'exchange' at any time and discover the assets available for trade.
643660;1398461020;benkay;i guess the real question is 'is there an endgame for distributed exchanges'?
643661;1398461106;jurov;to fall into obscurity?
643662;1398461129;benkay;if exponential decay counts as endgame.
643663;1398461148;jurov;provided that the codebase is solid, which us pretty strong assumption
643664;1398461150;benkay;but they can't even fall into obscurity - noobs are still going to show up and want some return.
643665;1398461176;benkay;i guess i'm assuming someone does a 'distributed' 'exchange' adequately at some point in the future.
643666;1398461194;jurov;on the other end of scale, planetary bubble?
643667;1398461233;benkay;ugh
643668;1398461247;jurov;fortunately no contemporary distributed systems can support 10e9 shareholders
643669;1398461248;benkay;do not want
643670;1398461391;jurov;actually, if p2p trading system that can truly do that gets invented, i think it's inevitable
643671;1398461404;benkay;global bubble?
643672;1398461418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00095013 = 7.031 BTC [+] {2} 
643673;1398461430;jurov;yes
643674;1398461430;mircea_popescu;benkay the endgame for it is now
643675;1398461437;mircea_popescu;this is it. same as ripples.
643676;1398461504;Naphex;mircea_popescu, ever seen the thick of it / in the loop? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MSScBIopM8 Alistar Cambell loved it ;]
643677;1398461517;danielpbarron;if counterparty does take off, I have some choice asset names squatted
643678;1398461545;mircea_popescu;^
643679;1398461551;jurov;mircea_popescu: how? if it doesn't have a website that can be shut down and is decently resistant to double spends?
643680;1398461563;mircea_popescu;just one of the many problems with "distributed" shits
643681;1398461564;jurov;(the latter remains to be seen)
643682;1398461593;mircea_popescu;jurov exactly the way myspace went. servers no purpose, has no utility. its entire lifetime is its endgame
643683;1398461622;benkay;mircea_popescu: those problems won't stop people from using it to sell seekyoorities
643684;1398461661;mircea_popescu;nothing's stopping people from using myspace to organise major concerts,
643685;1398461672;mircea_popescu;nothing stopped yahoo from recruiting their ceo on linkedin
643686;1398461673;mircea_popescu;etc.
643687;1398461685;mircea_popescu;soft constraints.
643688;1398461696;benkay;"major" "ceo" are orders of magnitude beyond the scope of btc scams.
643689;1398461707;kakobrekla;i deleted my linkedin a couple of days ago
643690;1398461725;mircea_popescu;benkay the purpose of a stock exchange is major and ceo.
643691;1398461726;benkay;kakobrekla: hipster!
643692;1398461738;kakobrekla;is that what they do now?
643693;1398461740;benkay;mircea_popescu: the purpose of a scam exchange is no accountability and access to pennies from paupers
643694;1398461762;mircea_popescu;yea ok.
643695;1398461778;mircea_popescu;like the purpose of myspace/linkedin etc is advertising and "user data"
643696;1398461784;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.03281792 = 0.9845 BTC [+] {8} 
643697;1398461835;benkay;is it?
643698;1398461839;fluffypony;I don't think the tech is fundamentally flawed, I think there's a lot of good stuff and good ideas underlying it all...I just think that anything like that is only really going to be useful in 20+ years when the current banking/regulation systems are significantly different from today
643699;1398461840;fluffypony;when accountability can be controlled programmatically instead of enforced by the po-po
643700;1398461851;benkay;i thought facebook/myspace were "VC Gems"
643701;1398461878;mike_c;<+fluffypony> when accountability can be controlled programmatically << that hurt my brain.
643702;1398461881;mircea_popescu;fluffypony the fundamental flaw is the naive expectation for tech to work by intself and in of itself.
643703;1398461891;mircea_popescu;this is the nonsense at work here, a sort of tech worship.
643704;1398461906;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 29 @ 0.03409809 = 0.9888 BTC [+] {8} 
643705;1398461907;fluffypony;benkay: so what you're saying is counterparty is the next "Red Hot Penny Stocks"?
643706;1398461915;mike_c;no, that's haveloc
643707;1398461923;mike_c;counterparty is the next nothing.
643708;1398461953;mircea_popescu;that's a great blog name
643709;1398461958;mircea_popescu;TNN. The Next Nothing.
643710;1398461968;mircea_popescu;covering Republican finances since 2014
643711;1398461989;benkay;fluffypony: if i can't list a thing on mpex, i haven't made a good enough thing. there isn't another exchange out there that i'd sully my thing by listing on.
643712;1398461995;kanzure;does deleting your linkedin account actually work?
643713;1398462012;benkay;the taint coming from 2 sources:
643714;1398462013;mircea_popescu;kanzure yes. before you deleted it, you can delete it.
643715;1398462015;benkay;a) provenance of exchange.
643716;1398462021;mircea_popescu;after you deleted it, you can no longer delete it anymore.
643717;1398462028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00094953 = 6.077 BTC [-]
643718;1398462035;kanzure;mircea_popescu: does it remove your address book etc? or does your data still contribute to their spam machine.
643719;1398462039;benkay;b) the 'security' 'peers' on the alternative exchange.
643720;1398462041;mircea_popescu;as i said :D
643721;1398462150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [-]
643722;1398462173;mircea_popescu;benkay our bitlordity's black, cold heart is warmed by your sentiments.
643723;1398462211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 226 @ 0.0044 = 0.9944 BTC [+]
643724;1398462220;fluffypony;mike_c: I think interesting things are coming from "trustless" systems when trust becomes a product of data instead of a product of human decision making. For instance, imagine a designer works with a client who specs their project out. When the designer has completed it and delivered it, intelligent software is able to analyse his design and determine within a reasonable amount of probability that it matches the client's agreement both
643725;1398462220;fluffypony;functionally and from a design perspective. The *software* signs off on the transaction with no input needed from the client.
643726;1398462225;benkay;let me know the conversion rate of mp heart-degrees to btc, eh?
643727;1398462243;mircea_popescu;"when trust becomes a product of data instead of a product of human decision making." << srsly, this is nonsense fluffy
643728;1398462266;benkay;fluffypony: i've yet to figure out how to build a DAC i can't rob.
643729;1398462268;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: well it's already somewhat possible to have automated escrow with multisif
643730;1398462272;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.042 = 0.168 BTC [-] {2} 
643731;1398462273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
643732;1398462275;fluffypony;*multisig
643733;1398462282;mircea_popescu;run me through it.
643734;1398462343;fluffypony;ok so a 2 of 3 multisig transaction to purchase an MP3 - funds are now out your wallet and requires two sigs to release to the supplier
643735;1398462370;mircea_popescu;so i buy some shit from you. i send it to an addy where you have a sig and i have a sig and we must both sign for you to get paid ?
643736;1398462373;fluffypony;an automated system is able to verify the validity of the download link and that the checksum on the download matches the expected checksum of that song
643737;1398462382;fluffypony;and so merchant + automated system = 2 sigs
643738;1398462392;mircea_popescu;i'd never use it.
643739;1398462394;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [-]
643740;1398462395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 226 @ 0.0044 = 0.9944 BTC [+]
643741;1398462396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0712 = 0.2136 BTC [+]
643742;1398462397;benkay;gotta trust automated system to not get haxxed
643743;1398462401;benkay;oops
643744;1398462425;mircea_popescu;"expected checksum" wtf nonsense is that
643745;1398462449;fluffypony;I'm thumbsucking here, I'm not a distributed systems expert
643746;1398462459;fluffypony;s/checksum/hash
643747;1398462475;fluffypony;but look at a decentralised data store like Tahoe-LAFS, for instance
643748;1398462487;benkay;distributed systems as a term of art in the industry (as i'd expect you to know, fluffypony) does not refer to these blockchain applications
643749;1398462491;mircea_popescu;yeah, this is exactly the problem we're discussing. you don't understand the subject, but you do have convictions as to what works and how, and what the future will bring.
643750;1398462496;mircea_popescu;this is religion, nothing else.
643751;1398462516;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: absolutely, I have faith the Grand Designers will come up with Cool Shit (tm)
643752;1398462521;mircea_popescu;yes well.
643753;1398462536;jurov;having ability to check specs automatically will result in unemployed designer, will be easier just to machine evolve something that fits the spec
643754;1398462537;mircea_popescu;where are your submerged cities and flying cars ?
643755;1398462552;mircea_popescu;jurov has it. the entire thing is a restatement of the perpetuum mobile,
643756;1398462556;mircea_popescu;in flashy new terminology.
643757;1398462573;benkay;lol machine evolved designs
643758;1398462577;benkay;not a terribly bad idea
643759;1398462584;mircea_popescu;a sort more palatable to the modern religious mind, which as you stated, works on the " Grand Designers will come up with Cool Shit" faith
643760;1398462595;benkay;"here are 20 seeds! pick five."
643761;1398462601;benkay;machine thinks for an hour
643762;1398462609;benkay;"here are 40 'ideas'! pick 10"
643763;1398462621;benkay;machine thinks for another hour
643764;1398462648;mircea_popescu;"go to buy shoes. come back three hours later with a half cup made out of tin foil and something that looks like a mouse with no buttons"
643765;1398462648;benkay;"here are your five options! send btc to 1MACHINETHINKER and pick one package for downloading!"
643766;1398462668;benkay;point is only to outcompete the fiverr crowd
643767;1398462674;benkay;not the handmade leather shoe crowd
643768;1398462683;mircea_popescu;i was thinking, this is kind-of how plenty of women do shopping today anywya
643769;1398462699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00094953 = 2.3263 BTC [-]
643770;1398462720;mircea_popescu;give her $100 to buy fishnet stockings, watch her come back with a purse and batteries.
643771;1398462739;benkay;hah
643772;1398462871;mircea_popescu;anyway, this constant tendency to abstract people out of life is a sickness by now.
643773;1398462883;mircea_popescu;law without people degenerates into the us sort of national-socialism.
643774;1398462900;mircea_popescu;sex without people is masturbation. finance without people is also known as crisis.
643775;1398462908;mircea_popescu;on it goes. you gotta have people in the loop or it ain't a thing.
643776;1398462959;mircea_popescu;we'd be better off allowing violence, from the schoolyard all the way to the workplace, than having this diffuse "everyone hates everyone" sort of poison floating about.
643777;1398462976;benkay;i'd be satisfied if we allowed sex in america
643778;1398462990;benkay;allowed it to be a part of life, you know?
643779;1398463019;benkay;i go out, i meet a chick as part of my gadding about the local scene. she's an acceptably well-practiced and hardworking programmer. i like her, we fuck. i can't hire her now basically.
643780;1398463024;benkay;wtf is this nonsense
643781;1398463048;mircea_popescu;why cant you hire her ?
643782;1398463094;benkay;bringing insane risk down onto the company.
643783;1398463107;mircea_popescu;eh, have topless day, what.
643784;1398463114;benkay;hostile work environment
643785;1398463130;benkay;"i don't feel comfortable being topless at work."
643786;1398463139;benkay;don charnley has some hack for this
643787;1398463141;mircea_popescu;so work somewhere else.
643788;1398463152;benkay;except then the Labor Department steps in.
643789;1398463161;mircea_popescu;~somewhere else~
643790;1398463167;asciilifeform;benkay: atlas, suitcase, airplane.
643791;1398463179;benkay;"we see that you're making your employees uncomfortable. please pay us your entire profits for the past ten years."
643792;1398463189;benkay;asciilifeform: working on it.
643793;1398463192;benkay;mircea_popescu: working on it.
643794;1398463203;mircea_popescu;funny story : at one particular workplace we actually had topless day. buncha young people, the guys thought it was great.
643795;1398463211;mircea_popescu;six weeks later we no longer had topless day
643796;1398463227;mircea_popescu;the guys thought it puts too much power in the hands of womenz and it basiclaly sucks and is opressive.
643797;1398463231;asciilifeform;me in 5yr. sitting in gasenwagen with benkay and ThickAsThieves: 'so, let's chat about how we worked on it. while the motor revvs.'
643798;1398463250;benkay;shit we only have 5 years?
643799;1398463251;mircea_popescu;the settlement included guys having to always split the drinks tab among themselves.
643800;1398463263;*;asciilifeform optimist
643801;1398463312;benkay;how so too much power in the hands of the girls?
643802;1398463326;asciilifeform;benkay: 'radiation damage'
643803;1398463358;mircea_popescu;benkay well after the first coupla hours of awkward, the chicks loved it, cause apparently it's more comfortable.
643804;1398463371;mircea_popescu;the guys ended up spending all their time being awkward.
643805;1398463375;mircea_popescu;it was quite the show tbh
643806;1398463475;benkay;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVHkteZJFlY
643807;1398463671;Naphex;http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/292/4/5/tucker_s_law_tea_towel_by_masterplanner-d6r36bp.png
643808;1398463793;benkay;now that's punishment!
643809;1398464408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.06998434 = 1.3297 BTC [-] {4} 
643810;1398464652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06987327 = 0.1397 BTC [-]
643811;1398464775;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0735 = 0.294 BTC [-]
643812;1398465140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10757 @ 0.00094538 = 10.1695 BTC [-] {2} 
643813;1398465641;cazalla;that towel is clearly australian made
643814;1398465872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0709999 = 0.142 BTC [+]
643815;1398465873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00094645 = 3.2179 BTC [+]
643816;1398466057;Naphex;gn
643817;1398466176;fluffypony;also here
643818;1398466179;fluffypony;night Naphex
643819;1398466237;Naphex;gn fluff` :D
643820;1398466482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7007 @ 0.00094645 = 6.6318 BTC [+]
643821;1398467765;danielpbarron;hm, I wish cookies were more persistant in chromium for iOS; keep having to re-enter my trilema credit pass
643822;1398467829;thestringpuller;thats a good thi g
643823;1398467834;thestringpuller;fucking save that shit
643824;1398467844;thestringpuller;to a file
643825;1398467847;thestringpuller;gpg encrypt
643826;1398467852;thestringpuller;back up a million times
643827;1398467856;danielpbarron;save what?
643828;1398467895;thestringpuller;the trilema key
643829;1398467904;thestringpuller;i j
643830;1398467913;thestringpuller;i have like 20000 credits
643831;1398467925;danielpbarron;oo -- big spender!
643832;1398467935;thestringpuller;uh sure.
643833;1398467968;thestringpuller;if i lose it. im fucked. re enterin makes you back that shit up if anything.
643834;1398467972;danielpbarron;maybe i configured something wrong; don't have this problem on my laptop
643835;1398467995;danielpbarron;it's "backed up" in my gmail "archive"
643836;1398468061;danielpbarron;it's probably apple's fault; I never should have bought an iPhone
643837;1398468077;danielpbarron;first and last apple product I will ever buy
643838;1398468127;benkay;best laptop chassis on the market, though
643839;1398469023;ThickAsThieves;so i'm watching Paul Romero's youtube and listening to Heroes shit. The guy's damn good.
643840;1398469105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0009472 = 5.3043 BTC [+] {2} 
643841;1398469174;BCB;just for shits and giggles: http://imgur.com/r/Bitcoin/YiJNWOX
643842;1398469207;benkay;no
643843;1398469217;benkay;oh god
643844;1398469224;*;benkay cannot unsee
643845;1398469279;benkay;looked...really weirdly she-gendered? not looking again.
643846;1398469410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07049999 = 0.7755 BTC [-] {2} 
643847;1398469764;moiety;jesus fuck
643848;1398469781;*;moiety goes to wash eyes with bleach brb
643849;1398470488;nubbins`;squares
643850;1398470556;moiety;hi nubbins`! how have you been?
643851;1398470561;nubbins`;benkay i think you mean dov charney :D
643852;1398470571;nubbins`;moiety heya, not bad, v busy with work
643853;1398470627;moiety;aw don't get too snowed under, breaks are good! i saw your picture :D loved the heart on the bum.
643854;1398470635;nubbins`;heh, tyvm
643855;1398470698;nubbins`;taking a break right now, in fact :D
643856;1398470747;moiety;glad to hear it! were the other pics yours too?
643857;1398470767;nubbins`;yeppers. i didn't design the manson poster tho, just printed em
643858;1398470775;moiety;really cool
643859;1398471074;moiety;nubbins`: i was going to suggest you watch a film but i think you've seen everything ever made XD
643860;1398471232;nubbins`;haven't seen much that's come out in the past decade or so
643861;1398471257;nubbins`;was going through a real meatspace phase D;
643862;1398471306;moiety;i watched Dead Man on kako's recommendation other night, reminded me of Seraphim Falls. both are good
643863;1398471423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24192 @ 0.00095028 = 22.9892 BTC [+] {2} 
643864;1398472034;benkay;nubbins`: yeah him
643865;1398472704;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00435001 = 0.1131 BTC [-] {2} 
643866;1398473802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34250 @ 0.00095083 = 32.5659 BTC [+] {3} 
643867;1398474290;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50017458 = 1.0003 BTC [+] {2} 
643868;1398474351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00464636 = 0.9293 BTC [+] {6} 
643869;1398475267;Apocalyptic;http://www.bitfin.com/
643870;1398475269;ozbot;Bitcoin Finance 2014 - Dublin Conference | Digital Money and the future of Finance
643871;1398475876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00095294 = 32.2094 BTC [+] {4} 
643872;1398476547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12648 @ 0.0009537 = 12.0624 BTC [+]
643873;1398476852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3452 @ 0.0009537 = 3.2922 BTC [+]
643874;1398477462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00095466 = 12.4583 BTC [+]
643875;1398478072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00095466 = 8.5919 BTC [+] {3} 
643876;1398478316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32957 @ 0.0009515 = 31.3586 BTC [-] {2} 
643877;1398478316;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07499999 = 0.15 BTC [+]
643878;1398478560;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 291 @ 0.00084557 = 0.2461 BTC [+] {3} 
643879;1398478621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 500 @ 0.00085 = 0.425 BTC [+] {3} 
643880;1398478865;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04200012 = 0.168 BTC [+] {2} 
643881;1398478926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.042 = 0.252 BTC [-]
643882;1398478927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4548 @ 0.00094995 = 4.3204 BTC [-]
643883;1398478927;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07019899 = 0.1404 BTC [+]
643884;1398478987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.075 = 0.3 BTC [+]
643885;1398478988;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00465997 = 0.2004 BTC [+] {2} 
643886;1398479326;decimation;mircea_popescu: hey, if fags can be married everywhere regardless whether they married, why shouldn't rednecks carry wherever they go. << because rednecks = kulaks http://theden.tv/2014/04/25/rednecks-are-the-new-kulaks/
643887;1398480364;ThickAsThieves;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/vernacular started a new section
643888;1398480366;ozbot;vernacular [bitcoin assets wiki]
643889;1398480387;ThickAsThieves;feel free to help with definitions, origins, new words, and links
643890;1398480664;decimation;mircea_popescu: "anyway, this constant tendency to abstract people out of life is a sickness by now." << I suspect as least  90% of USG spending is put toward programs who have the goal of treating people as if they were automatons
643891;1398480915;decimation;re: deep ocean robo-submarine: http://www.acq.osd.mil/osbp/sbir/solicitations/sbir20142/navy142.htm  << USG wants some of them too (see N142-117), will pay fiat to tell them how
643892;1398481000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [-]
643893;1398481061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.042 = 0.21 BTC [-]
643894;1398481122;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]
643895;1398481123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
643896;1398482004;decimation;asciilifeform: did you ever take up benkay's suggestion to look at a greenarrays chip? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014  -- seems like a good alternative to your unavailable XC6216
643897;1398482220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21819 @ 0.00094878 = 20.7014 BTC [-]
643898;1398482464;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.00022808 = 0.1368 BTC [-] {2} 
643899;1398483440;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07021292 = 2.8085 BTC [+] {3} 
643900;1398483777;thestringpuller;;;google site:trilema.com airbnb
643901;1398483778;gribble;Let's have fun with Paul Graham pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/>; Ycombinator continues to suck, jointly and severally pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/ycombinator-continues-to-suck-jointly-and-severally/>; The disadvantages of living among idiots pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/the- (1 more message)
643902;1398483987;asciilifeform;decimation: i've known about greenarrays for ages
643903;1398484136;asciilifeform;decimation: chuck moore's site appears dead!
643904;1398484142;asciilifeform;sadness.
643905;1398484187;asciilifeform;i should probably buy one of those things before they vanish entirely.
643906;1398484430;thestringpuller;do you ever sleep asciilifeform ? i'm pretty sure you and kakobrekla are robots...
643907;1398484444;asciilifeform;can't speak for kako - i sleep occasionally.
643908;1398484965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0791 = 0.3955 BTC [+] {2} 
643909;1398485953;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: damn you got some gems of entries in Bingo Blog
643910;1398485954;thestringpuller;love it
643911;1398485968;BingoBoingo;thanks thestringpuller
643912;1398485978;thestringpuller;Bitcoin with it's fixed maximum supply and decreasing rate of new coin generation is going to continue moving against the dollar. Any plan for a business that touches both Dollars and Bitcoins needs to be prepared for the contingencies of both Million Dollar Bitcoins and for One Dollar Bitcoins.[1] If either contingency breaks your business model, you need to rethink your business model unless you want to be runn
643913;1398485986;thestringpuller;i love that
643914;1398485988;thestringpuller;that quote is gold
643915;1398486035;BingoBoingo;Lol, that's an older one even
643916;1398486079;thestringpuller;yea but as you can see I just re read the AirBnb one and commented on my recent experience
643917;1398486195;BingoBoingo;Ah, yeah
643918;1398486266;thestringpuller;It's quite perplexing. If this experience were ocurring with a Bitcoin business this instant...it would definitively be a scam...
643919;1398486285;BingoBoingo;Yeah
643920;1398486286;thestringpuller;this is the exact reason fiat businesses will die, and I have learned that tonight
643921;1398486295;thestringpuller;first
643922;1398486296;thestringpuller;fucking
643923;1398486297;thestringpuller;hand
643924;1398486306;BingoBoingo;Oh, which business?
643925;1398486320;thestringpuller;AirBnb
643926;1398486331;thestringpuller;I've been onl hold for 50 minutes
643927;1398486347;BingoBoingo;Shit
643928;1398486363;BingoBoingo;Worse than the cable company
643929;1398486580;BingoBoingo;I think one of the big factors crippling fiat businesses is easy access to leverage. Lets operations learn to be weak.
643930;1398486601;thestringpuller;Exactly!
643931;1398486610;thestringpuller;That's why Simple.com was so revolutionary to me.
643932;1398486637;thestringpuller;Damn BingoBoingo I need to treat you to a baseball game this summer.
643933;1398486688;BingoBoingo;This simple thing looks interesting.
643934;1398486704;BingoBoingo;The baseball game might have to happen sometime before october ends
643935;1398486734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00094797 = 18.201 BTC [-] {2} 
643936;1398486795;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07022645 = 0.1405 BTC [+]
643937;1398487103;thestringpuller;Fuck yea. #bitcoin-assets baseball days
643938;1398487107;thestringpuller;holy shit that sounds fun
643939;1398487115;thestringpuller;seats near the field/dugout
643940;1398487126;thestringpuller;talk about bitcoin-assets shit while getting drunk
643941;1398487133;thestringpuller;watching the great american sport!
643942;1398487139;BingoBoingo;Or the bleachers, depending who is swinging hot.
643943;1398487225;BingoBoingo;And the stadium
643944;1398487254;thestringpuller;Damn. This is gonna be a good summer.
643945;1398487258;BingoBoingo;A kind of mini conference for those of us awaiting the gasenwagen as asciilifeform says.
643946;1398487336;thestringpuller;Baseball is a good excuse to gather I say. At least for us Americans lol
643947;1398487745;BingoBoingo;Yeah
643948;1398487840;BingoBoingo;Oh, I'll be sleeping soon.
643949;1398488564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26050 @ 0.00094813 = 24.6988 BTC [+] {2} 
643950;1398489113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00094878 = 1.0437 BTC [+]
643951;1398489235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07039389 = 1.1263 BTC [+] {2} 
643952;1398489504;mircea_popescu;;;later tell satoshijack cool
643953;1398489504;gribble;The operation succeeded.
643954;1398489592;mircea_popescu;http://www.nameoftheyear.com/ apparently this is a thing
643955;1398489593;ozbot;Name of the Year
643956;1398490455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [+]
643957;1398490760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0325 = 0.195 BTC [-]
643958;1398490943;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
643959;1398491126;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [+]
643960;1398491736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9017 @ 0.00094765 = 8.545 BTC [-]
643961;1398493039;mircea_popescu;for a quick laugh : http://pastebin.com/qDZwppcN
643962;1398493444;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00021217 = 0.1061 BTC [-] {2} 
643963;1398493842;cgcardona_;mircea_popescu: regarding https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459941006210007040—first I'd seen it but I don't frequent the site. crazy stuff
643964;1398493856;cgcardona_;so ass backwards the way the US acts about online gambling
643965;1398493859;cgcardona_;like we're still on the mayflower
643966;1398493908;mircea_popescu;cgcardona_ funny cause i had just written an article about exactly this
643967;1398493913;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/an-inventory-of-a-prison/
643968;1398493914;ozbot;An inventory of a prison pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
643969;1398494089;cgcardona_;wow i didn't realize you made the berkshire bet
643970;1398494115;cgcardona_;bitbet is kakobrekla's site yea?
643971;1398494131;cgcardona_;now part of MPex? (Still putting pieces together)
643972;1398494237;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60386 @ 0.00095079 = 57.4144 BTC [+] {4} 
643973;1398494298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31416 @ 0.00095354 = 29.9564 BTC [+]
643974;1398494443;mircea_popescu;http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET so start with the primary sources neh ?
643975;1398494444;ozbot;S.BBET last 357@0.00055999
643976;1398494494;cgcardona_;ah yes i see. how very cool. that site blew my mind the first time I saw it.
643977;1398494506;mircea_popescu;it;s not bad.
643978;1398494514;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla regularly gets cookies for it.
643979;1398494514;cgcardona_;;;rate kakobrekla 1 Creator of bitbet.us and creator of #bitcoin-assets
643980;1398494516;mircea_popescu;i eat them.
643981;1398494516;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 1 to 1.
643982;1398494522;cgcardona_;haha I bet you do :)
643983;1398494539;cgcardona_;;;rate mircea_popescu 1 cookie eating bitlord
643984;1398494540;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 1.
643985;1398494970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8876 @ 0.00094722 = 8.4075 BTC [-] {2} 
643986;1398494970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0707 = 0.1414 BTC [+]
643987;1398495274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 803 @ 0.00094403 = 0.7581 BTC [-]
643988;1398496433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43921 @ 0.00094514 = 41.5115 BTC [+] {2} 
643989;1398496433;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay` "I rapidly came to understand that the space compromised of people working on Bitcoin" you mean comprised ?
643990;1398496433;gribble;The operation succeeded.
643991;1398496651;*;fluffypony stretches
643992;1398496815;fluffypony;thestringpuller: just read your Airbnb thing, they sound truly retarded
643993;1398496972;mircea_popescu;between the "you gotta break your lease to use our site" and the "you can't talk to your customers as per our rules", the whole thing should be illegal.
643994;1398497003;fluffypony;I agree
643995;1398497004;mircea_popescu;that the SEC is not probing it simply speaks of how the SEC is more of an instrument of private interest than any sort of justice.
643996;1398497022;fluffypony;I'd hate to have random people I don't know and have never spoken to staying in my house whilst I'm not there
643997;1398497023;fluffypony;:/
643998;1398497056;mircea_popescu;who the fuck heard of this, "build an alleged business on explicitly and directly requiring people to break the law, require them to not talk about it and then list on the nyse"
643999;1398497068;mircea_popescu;if ycombinator is allowed to do this, why aren't the crime families ?
644000;1398497074;fluffypony;thestringpuller: also I don't know if you know this, but BBVA (Spanish bank who bought Simple.com) are pro-Bitcoin, so maybe there will be some interesting integration sometime
644001;1398497080;fluffypony;lol
644002;1398497086;mircea_popescu;fluffypony how about you sublet half a duplex to some schmuck
644003;1398497093;mircea_popescu;which results in 3829 people staying there over 3 years.
644004;1398497104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 70 @ 0.06849876 = 4.7949 BTC [-] {15} 
644005;1398497113;fluffypony;I'm pretty sure I'd need to get some sort of special license for that in parts of the world
644006;1398497118;fluffypony;especially in the US
644007;1398497125;fluffypony;aren't there hospitality licenses/requirements?
644008;1398497126;mircea_popescu;yes. including the parts of the world where airbnb domiciles.
644009;1398497137;mircea_popescu;somehow it's not been shutdown yet tho.
644010;1398497151;mircea_popescu;meanwhile charlie shrem is in jail etc.
644011;1398497161;fluffypony;landlords need to step up and start nailing tenants who use Airbnb
644012;1398497165;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.06801676 = 2.0405 BTC [-] {3} 
644013;1398497171;mircea_popescu;no. the sec needs to step up and have the shit delisted,
644014;1398497180;mircea_popescu;and the ny da needs to step up and slap charges on everyone involved.
644015;1398497191;mircea_popescu;the founders, the angels, the board members, the vcs that signed sheets.
644016;1398497203;fluffypony;agreed
644017;1398497229;HeySteve;I had an idea to improve security of f2f trades: beforehand buyer signs a contract stating his receiving address. if the buyer gets the coins but doesn't pay (as per security cam), theft is on record
644018;1398497232;mircea_popescu;want a fiat stock exchange as clean as mpex, gotta put in as much work as mpex does.
644019;1398497247;mircea_popescu;HeySteve what security cam is this ?
644020;1398497279;HeySteve;wherever they might choose to meet that has Big Brother around
644021;1398497295;mircea_popescu;how do you get access to the recording ?
644022;1398497328;HeySteve;I've read an account of where it was done, I think LocalBitcoins got involved. was either a bank or coffee shop
644023;1398497341;mircea_popescu;yes well there's a difference between a bank and a coffee shop.
644024;1398497375;mircea_popescu;the difference'd be that while the bank cam can be used in court, random joe blow does not get a copy
644025;1398497381;mircea_popescu;wheras the converse is true of a coffee shop
644026;1398497402;HeySteve;ah well then it's just a matter of finding a bitcoin-friendly bank that loves helping the public :D
644027;1398497431;mircea_popescu;that's akin to the matter of finding a girl that menstruates pearls.
644028;1398497444;HeySteve;heh
644029;1398497489;HeySteve;well, any recording where cash is clearly handed over will have some value as evidence, the contract being the evidence of bitcoin transferral
644030;1398497508;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay` "Quixotic damn mission. There are years of fraudulent insanity buried in that forum, and after two weeks of cataloging the madness had to take the project out back and shoot it in the head for fear I'd come down with whatever disease is infecting the brains of those who seek to throw their hard-won bitcoins at unknown entities across the internet. " << that then makes two for you eh ?
644031;1398497509;gribble;The operation succeeded.
644032;1398497513;mircea_popescu;!up DonglordActual
644033;1398497513;assbot;Voicing DonglordActual for 30 minutes.
644034;1398497538;mircea_popescu;HeySteve sure, if you find people willing to post videos on themselves on your blog, you may have something.
644035;1398497604;danielpbarron;the cam helps the scammer
644036;1398497615;HeySteve;I'm thinking in Bitcoin-trendy places like Kreuzberg that shops accepting BTC would provide this service
644037;1398497623;danielpbarron;the point of the contract is to prevent the scammer from pretending no deal was supposed to take place
644038;1398497665;danielpbarron;since the camera footage would show one guy type on his phone and the other leave with the money he entered with
644039;1398497694;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron i don't exactly follow ?
644040;1398497696;danielpbarron;or in the case I heard about: the headphones with which he entered
644041;1398497714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15244 @ 0.00095186 = 14.5102 BTC [+]
644042;1398497759;mircea_popescu;!jd mpif
644043;1398497759;assbot;Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.23038790 BTC
644044;1398497769;danielpbarron;there was a real case where a guy said he wanted to sell his headphones for BTC; they met in a place that had a camera; the footage showed one guy type on his phone, and the other guy left with his headphones
644045;1398497771;mircea_popescu;fluffypony http://spagni.net/jdmpif/ << broken ?
644046;1398497782;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron so how was the scammer helped ?
644047;1398497801;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: requires JavaScript, it's for the hipsters :-P
644048;1398497812;mircea_popescu;oic
644049;1398497825;danielpbarron;if the BTC guy tried to grab the headphones, it would look as if HE were the theif
644050;1398497830;danielpbarron;thief*
644051;1398497836;mircea_popescu;i saw a - i was all omg wtf i got robbed overnight!
644052;1398497850;fluffypony;LOL
644053;1398497853;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron oh i see. yep, you got a solid point there.
644054;1398497887;fluffypony;the JS just ends up loading and replacing the contents of the div with the value from here: http://spagni.net/jdmpif/jdmpif.txt
644055;1398497925;danielpbarron;and this really happened; so anyway, HeySteve had the good idea to get the cash guy to sign a GPG contract specifying his receiving address, before the face-to-face meeting
644056;1398497954;HeySteve;I wonder if it'd be worth developing a service for this, to make GPG contracts easier for casuals
644057;1398497960;danielpbarron;that way, the BTC guy can prove that fraud has taken place if the other guy tries to walk away after the transaction is broadcast
644058;1398497965;fluffypony;localbitcoins could integrate a quick and easy mutual GPG-signed contract
644059;1398497980;HeySteve;nothing stops LocalBTC taking the idea though
644060;1398497987;mircea_popescu;fluffypony it could. verify that the contracts are signed.
644061;1398497991;fluffypony;HeySteve: the act of signing still requires a modicum of technical ability
644062;1398498001;fluffypony;although there are nice UIs nowadays
644063;1398498016;fluffypony;you'll still end up with people losing their privkeys
644064;1398498019;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0046708 = 0.4671 BTC [+] {2} 
644065;1398498021;danielpbarron;yeh it's not gonna happen
644066;1398498022;mircea_popescu;HeySteve actually a site like that, WebContract or w/e, where you simply put up html forms for people to ul their contracts and you verify them
644067;1398498027;mircea_popescu;that may well end up a big thing
644068;1398498034;mircea_popescu;make it a social media site centered around contract making
644069;1398498041;fluffypony;yeah, doesn't have to be GPG necessarily
644070;1398498041;HeySteve;yeah, maybe some on-site videos with excitable cartoon animals would help with the GPG stuff
644071;1398498048;mircea_popescu;indeed.
644072;1398498052;danielpbarron;in my experience, localbitcoin users do not have the patience to wait for 1 confirmation, let alone learn what GPG is
644073;1398498060;*;fluffypony nods
644074;1398498064;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron so fuck them. users gotta be trained.
644075;1398498067;mircea_popescu;like any other dog.
644076;1398498079;danielpbarron;i agree
644077;1398498099;mircea_popescu;if it were up to the users, they wouldn't have the patience for the hambuger order either
644078;1398498101;danielpbarron;probably best not to even use that site
644079;1398498101;mircea_popescu;it's not.
644080;1398498108;HeySteve;the thing is, a LBTC sellers who got or are worried about being scammed in F2F would want it if it existed
644081;1398498126;HeySteve;could offer buyer a discount if they jump through the hoops
644082;1398498139;danielpbarron;gpg social media
644083;1398498144;danielpbarron;i like the sound of that
644084;1398498144;mircea_popescu;HeySteve cheaper than two guys with shotguns to back you up and a new pair of spatz every time some twennysomething spaz tries to be smart.
644085;1398498157;danielpbarron;is that something keybase is working towards?
644086;1398498213;HeySteve;lol
644087;1398498241;danielpbarron;(i know they want your private key, but you can use their service without giving it to them)
644088;1398498251;fluffypony;I don't get keybase.io
644089;1398498255;fluffypony;what is it supposed to be?
644090;1398498262;mircea_popescu;you can verify sigs with the pubkey, you don;'t need the private
644091;1398498283;HeySteve;hell maybe I'll just blog this idea and see what happens
644092;1398498283;danielpbarron;fluffypony: it's kinda along these lines except without posting the contracts
644093;1398498309;fluffypony;so why do they need your privkey?
644094;1398498314;fluffypony;not need, want
644095;1398498328;danielpbarron;it lets you make a social media style profile in which you can link other profiles by posting GPG signed proof messages
644096;1398498335;fluffypony;oic
644097;1398498344;fluffypony;http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=spagni&op=index
644098;1398498345;ozbot;Search results for 'spagni'
644099;1398498345;fluffypony;there
644100;1398498346;fluffypony;keybase
644101;1398498349;fluffypony;:-P
644102;1398498354;danielpbarron;you can upload your priv key to them and use a password for future signings
644103;1398498385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4935 @ 0.00095186 = 4.6974 BTC [+]
644104;1398498447;danielpbarron;that's not the same at all
644105;1398498465;mircea_popescu;;;later tell decimation so what, fags were kulaks at some point. they ceased to be exactly because they started pushing that sort of thing.
644106;1398498466;gribble;The operation succeeded.
644107;1398498471;danielpbarron;keybase has you tweet from your twitter account, a special message containing a hash of a GPG signed statement of association
644108;1398498500;fluffypony;ok so they can "verify" your Twitter/Github/whatever is really you
644109;1398498510;danielpbarron;which you could do yourself, but keybase is like a yellow pages of these associations
644110;1398498510;fluffypony;but that they can do with just the pubkey...?
644111;1398498522;danielpbarron;yeah they don't need the priv key
644112;1398498533;fluffypony;jar
644113;1398498541;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic: http://www.bitfin.com/ << all the people who aren't in Bitcoin finance but would like to be, so rather than join #bitcoin-assets prefer to pretend like they matter instead.
644114;1398498554;danielpbarron;it's all done in your browser but it's still not safe since you have to trust the script served up isn't malicious
644115;1398498568;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
644116;1398498599;danielpbarron;that's all only if you do it through the site, you can do the actual signing yourself without giving the site any private info
644117;1398498660;danielpbarron;that site is very pretty on my iPhone; this makes me distrust it
644118;1398498664;fluffypony;lol
644119;1398498670;fluffypony;responsive layouts aren't untrustworthy
644120;1398498677;fluffypony;that's just CSS media queries
644121;1398498678;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves << that's a huge thing, documenting all the memes. milk, and first, best and greatest and whoa nelly, tons of them
644122;1398498689;danielpbarron;i'm half kidding
644123;1398498757;HeySteve;it's the iphone itself which is the real risk
644124;1398498765;HeySteve;those things are backdoored to hell
644125;1398498791;danielpbarron;yeh, not happy with it overall
644126;1398498873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4515 @ 0.00094414 = 4.2628 BTC [-]
644127;1398498933;fluffypony;I love my iPhone. but then again, I primarily use it as a phone. I do a bit of browsing and play games and have a bunch of apps of various utility, but I don't use it for anything I would consider sensitive
644128;1398498942;fluffypony;the whole "don't eat where you poop" thing
644129;1398499009;danielpbarron;i don't even like mine for the non-sensitive things; it just sucks all-around
644130;1398499054;fluffypony;meh, I'm the wrong person for this debate, I'd still use a 3310 if it had more games than Snake
644131;1398499101;danielpbarron;is that the nokia brick? I used that thing until it wouldn't charge anymore
644132;1398499114;fluffypony;lol
644133;1398499120;HeySteve;I'm still using a nokia brick :)
644134;1398499122;danielpbarron;i only got an iPhone because it's "free" if you're already on contract
644135;1398499150;danielpbarron;i kept using it even when the 3 key wouldn't work
644136;1398499485;thestringpuller;oh look people in other continents
644137;1398499538;fluffypony;Africa reprezent
644138;1398499556;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459966542122602496
644139;1398499557;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/5L8gDU5pZq cc ...
644140;1398499564;mircea_popescu;anyone want to make bets as to who shows up first ?
644141;1398499717;fluffypony;jerbrightcove hasn't tweeted since 2013
644142;1398499718;fluffypony;so not him
644143;1398499752;fluffypony;I'm guessing Karl Grayh
644144;1398499755;fluffypony;*Gray
644145;1398499900;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu I'm always surprised at how well educated you are on Hollywood.
644146;1398499906;thestringpuller;I guess I shouldn't be at this point.
644147;1398499943;mircea_popescu;i'm an educated young man, what.
644148;1398500025;thestringpuller;It's a great analogy you use between Bitcoin finance and Hollywood.
644149;1398500039;mircea_popescu;fluffypony my bet's on neville.
644150;1398500055;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller kinda proud of it myself :p
644151;1398500567;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "Much like .nobody knows how to make movies. was generally true in Hollywood, .nobody knows how to make Bitcoin businesses. is generally true in Bitcoin."  << I wish designers weren't as "uppity" these days. It's surprising that a designer straight out of school thinks they know how to "change the world" better than their predecessors who have been doing it for decades, yet these baby designers ha
644152;1398500763;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/kiwiiiduck/status/455360382748880896/photo/1/large
644153;1398500764;ozbot;Twitter / kiwiiiduck: changed "analogy" to autocorrect ...
644154;1398500821;thestringpuller;lel
644155;1398500852;Apocalyptic;lmao
644156;1398500852;fluffypony;heh
644157;1398500874;fluffypony;this dude's 10 year old sister got her first phone, some of these are priceless: http://imgur.com/a/uJ8Md
644158;1398500960;mircea_popescu;lol
644159;1398501031;fluffypony;the pretty simile is my favourite
644160;1398501300;mircea_popescu;!up JoshG
644161;1398501300;assbot;Voicing JoshG for 30 minutes.
644162;1398501374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6879 @ 0.00095264 = 6.5532 BTC [+]
644163;1398501863;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
644164;1398501961;mircea_popescu;heh, just had a business idea. rent garages in first home neighbourhoods, buy crap for the people doing pond shops, abandoned storage container auctions, police confiscation auctions etc
644165;1398501968;mircea_popescu;hold perpetual garage sales at "discounted" prices.
644166;1398502032;mircea_popescu;a pepper mill that retails for $25 at Bed Bath & Beyond could be yours for 35 cents and moved on to a 28yo fuckwit that just bought a diamond ring and a mortgage for the low low price of $5.
644167;1398502133;mircea_popescu;perfect fambly business, your gf could keep a network of friendly garage owners to rent from, your other gf could spend all her time doing one garage a day for five days a week, you can handle the buying and logistics.
644168;1398502142;mircea_popescu;probably beats prostitution, especially if your two gfs are ugly.
644169;1398502467;jurov;wut?
644170;1398502795;mircea_popescu;jurov garage sales. you know ?
644171;1398502847;punkman;do you have those in .ro?
644172;1398502864;punkman;seems like a US thing to me
644173;1398502899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2790 @ 0.00095354 = 2.6604 BTC [+]
644174;1398502906;jurov;ah that i get it. need coffee
644175;1398503253;joecool;punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R57PlZFAeM
644176;1398504596;Naphex;garage sales!
644177;1398504601;Naphex;morning
644178;1398504668;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 450 @ 0.0002272 = 0.1022 BTC [+]
644179;1398504790;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6883 @ 0.00095354 = 6.5632 BTC [+]
644180;1398504852;thestringpuller;hahaha wow
644181;1398504860;thestringpuller;i really can't believe i came back from smoking and read that
644182;1398504981;jurov;here it works in exactly opposite manner
644183;1398505007;jurov;gypsies drive around and annoy everyone with recorded messages:
644184;1398505047;punkman;they do free garbage removal here, pick up old washing machines or whatever for scrap
644185;1398505050;jurov;Citizens! We buy old watches, pictures, scrap metal. Citizens, please make yourself heard!
644186;1398505073;thestringpuller;Citizens?
644187;1398505093;thestringpuller;curious. how do you know so much about American culture mircea_popescu ?
644188;1398505217;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1196 @ 0.00020965 = 0.2507 BTC [-] {2} 
644189;1398505339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06933582 = 1.1094 BTC [+]
644190;1398505354;jurov;he spent several years there
644191;1398506006;jurov;!up Skirmant
644192;1398506006;assbot;Voicing Skirmant for 30 minutes.
644193;1398506011;jurov;!up akstunt600
644194;1398506011;assbot;Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
644195;1398506428;cazalla;mircea_popescu: $5? tell him's dreamin'
644196;1398506492;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dik_wnOE4dk aussie classic heh
644197;1398506559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12456 @ 0.0009526 = 11.8656 BTC [-] {2} 
644198;1398507657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00094816 = 5.5467 BTC [-]
644199;1398507779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.0009498 = 12.4424 BTC [+] {2} 
644200;1398508144;fluffypony;has anyone been following the Bytecoin/CryptoNote thing?
644201;1398508224;fluffypony;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bytecoin
644202;1398508230;fluffypony;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557322.0;all
644203;1398508232;ozbot;[BCN] Uncovering CryptoNote technology and Bytecoin BCN FAQ
644204;1398508266;fluffypony;apparently it's been around since April 2012 (according to the genesis block)
644205;1398508267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30710 @ 0.00094648 = 29.0664 BTC [-] {3} 
644206;1398508276;fluffypony;but Tor only
644207;1398508285;fluffypony;and everyone just woke up to its existence
644208;1398508293;fluffypony;"everyone" by some definition of everyone
644209;1398508421;HeySteve;hmm interesting
644210;1398508450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12545 @ 0.0009425 = 11.8237 BTC [-] {2} 
644211;1398508494;fluffypony;https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf
644212;1398508495;fluffypony;white paper
644213;1398508502;fluffypony;uses ring signatures
644214;1398509063;jurov;!up Vexual
644215;1398509063;assbot;Voicing Vexual for 30 minutes.
644216;1398509304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17645 @ 0.00094193 = 16.6204 BTC [-] {2} 
644217;1398509474;mircea_popescu;punkman they dun exist in .ro no
644218;1398509486;Vexual;hi mircea
644219;1398509501;jurov;!ip rithm
644220;1398509506;jurov;!up rithm
644221;1398509506;assbot;Voicing rithm for 30 minutes.
644222;1398509509;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller> curious. how do you know so much about American culture mircea_popescu ? << i lived there, remember ? i live with us born chicks, too.
644223;1398509539;mircea_popescu;fluffypony apparently, only you
644224;1398509553;fluffypony;:-P
644225;1398509583;mircea_popescu;o look at that, Vexual is back ?
644226;1398509597;mircea_popescu;how was rehab!
644227;1398509634;mircea_popescu;Q: What is CryptoNote technology?
644228;1398509635;mircea_popescu;A: "An open-source technology and concepts for the cryptocurrencies of the future" as stated on the website. Also, CN developers state it clearly that they are not a coin itself, but rather a technological concept that allows creation of new cryptocurrencies.
644229;1398509641;mircea_popescu;sometimes i wonder what people think words mean.
644230;1398509671;Vexual;:) okay. how was your party?
644231;1398509689;mircea_popescu;not bad! airbnb kept us 1 hour on hold
644232;1398509689;Vexual;conference
644233;1398509914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9405 @ 0.00094688 = 8.9054 BTC [+]
644234;1398509937;mircea_popescu;fluffypony anyway, invite the rias guy over
644235;1398509960;fluffypony;rias?
644236;1398509965;mircea_popescu;ya
644237;1398509996;fluffypony;oh the dude that did that thread
644238;1398510002;fluffypony;[12:59:30] Rias signed on at 08 April 2014 at 12:27:14 PM SAST and has been idle for 1 week, 7 hours, 22 minutes, 48 seconds
644239;1398510024;fluffypony;he just compiled the info
644240;1398510025;fluffypony;"This whole story is quite strange and is getting stranger and stranger with each new fact about this cryptonote and bytecoin-bcn. I've started this topic to summarize all information that we have today. I feel like the best solution is faq with proof-links."
644241;1398510053;Vexual;whats cryptonaot? ive got 2 months or reading to do
644242;1398510067;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla can assbot invite rias plox
644243;1398510085;fluffypony;I message'd him
644244;1398510102;mircea_popescu;a ty
644245;1398510112;mircea_popescu;"We propose a new memory-bound algorithm for the proof-of-work pricing function. It relies on random access to a slow memory and emphasizes latency dependence. As opposed to scrypt every
644246;1398510112;mircea_popescu;new block (64 bytes in length) depends on all the previous blocks. As a result a hypothetical “memory-saver” should increase his calculation speed exponentially."
644247;1398510121;mircea_popescu;this seems unsound.
644248;1398510160;fluffypony;similar to scrypt-n, with that the n-factor is based on the previous block
644249;1398510178;mircea_popescu;yeah. this'll never work.
644250;1398510218;Vexual;how many sha 256 computers are there?
644251;1398510243;fluffypony;https://bytecoin.org/whitepaper.pdf
644252;1398510245;mircea_popescu;what;s a sha 256 computer ?
644253;1398510254;fluffypony;Vexual: you mean SHA-256 ASICs
644254;1398510256;fluffypony;?
644255;1398510267;Vexual;is stuff with names like dragon you get off aliexpress
644256;1398510298;Vexual;whats altcoin diff?
644257;1398510313;fluffypony;AliExpress is a nice way to overpay for something and spend 3 months waiting for it
644258;1398510337;mircea_popescu;fluffypony apparently you weren't the only one looking at this, and apparently we don't think very much of it.
644259;1398510353;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I just heard about it today
644260;1398510357;mircea_popescu;Vexual apparently it exploded after conf
644261;1398510364;fluffypony;so I don't know enough to form an opinion yet
644262;1398510420;Vexual;were you making it rain altcoin?
644263;1398510465;mircea_popescu;nop
644264;1398510490;mircea_popescu;hum, did blockr.io take off altcoin ?!
644265;1398510579;fluffypony;nope
644266;1398510579;fluffypony;http://atc.blockr.io
644267;1398510581;mircea_popescu;a there it is. Vexual Difficulty 129,782.79 next 354,280.61
644268;1398510606;Vexual;thats a big jump
644269;1398510628;mircea_popescu;iirc it was dropping towards 50k in march
644270;1398510686;Vexual;that makes me feel good about unspent 3xx blox
644271;1398510711;mircea_popescu;!up belcher
644272;1398510711;assbot;Voicing belcher for 30 minutes.
644273;1398510734;mircea_popescu;Vexual yeah it's quite unlike the typical scamcoin
644274;1398510751;mircea_popescu;its diff graph hasn't become monotonous yet.
644275;1398510819;mircea_popescu;29571 block
644276;1398510827;Vexual;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zR6ROjoOX0
644277;1398510828;ozbot;Iggy Azalea - Work (Explicit) - YouTube
644278;1398510898;mircea_popescu;!up Vexual
644279;1398510898;assbot;Voicing Vexual for 30 minutes.
644280;1398510912;Vexual;ty
644281;1398510994;mircea_popescu;Dogecoin 1.6 Download ~ MANDATORY Update
644282;1398511005;mircea_popescu;lol @ these idiots. mandatory eh ? no i mean MANDATORY
644283;1398511172;peterl;hi all
644284;1398511267;mircea_popescu;heya
644285;1398511410;punkman;I bought a 1TH mining contract to get some ATC, but seems like the guy screwed me
644286;1398511419;punkman;paypal chargeback!
644287;1398511458;mircea_popescu;ew
644288;1398511464;fluffypony;punkman: where'd you rent?
644289;1398511472;punkman;some random guy on ebay
644290;1398511474;mircea_popescu;wait, you paid, how'd he chargeback you
644291;1398511481;punkman;I will chargeback him
644292;1398511483;mircea_popescu;a a
644293;1398511488;punkman;because it's been like a month
644294;1398511511;fluffypony;ah ok
644295;1398511529;mircea_popescu;did he at least entertain you periodically with stories ?
644296;1398511571;punkman;nah
644297;1398511584;cazalla;indians are good that way, their relatives are always in hospital
644298;1398511592;fluffypony;moiety: wife's baking cookies after I showed her your bears
644299;1398511699;mircea_popescu;a cookieoff!
644300;1398511715;mircea_popescu;fluffypony what does she do btw ? homemaking ?
644301;1398511744;fluffypony;lol no, she'd rather die
644302;1398511761;mircea_popescu;awww
644303;1398511762;fluffypony;she runs two of the business units in the group - salonsupplystore.co.za and sexybikinis.co.za
644304;1398511778;mircea_popescu;o hey.
644305;1398511847;mircea_popescu;http://themisescircle.org/blog/2014/03/14/the-coming-demise-of-the-altcoins/
644306;1398511849;ozbot;The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It)
644307;1398511864;mircea_popescu;basically everything the mises circle releases paints them more like pretentious ignoramuses.
644308;1398511926;mircea_popescu;leaving aside for a second their complete inability TO FUCKING QUOTE.
644309;1398511928;fluffypony;what is the mises circle? investor group?
644310;1398511945;mircea_popescu;fluffypony nah, some academia derps who'd like to you know, matter.
644311;1398511949;fluffypony;lol
644312;1398511962;mircea_popescu;roughly the equivalent of the vc circuit making "bitcoin finance" cons and "bitcoin foundations" and whatnot.
644313;1398512022;mircea_popescu;The Mises Circle was founded in January 2012 by Michael Goldstein, George McHugh, and Jose Niño, to provide a forum for scholarship in the Austrian economic tradition at the University of Texas at Austin.
644314;1398512028;mircea_popescu;basically a student newspaper.
644315;1398512058;fluffypony;LOL
644316;1398512091;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmGF30fCIAAAmYt.jpg
644317;1398512138;pankkake;I fail to see what's wrong with the article
644318;1398512153;pankkake;though it's only obvious things
644319;1398512166;pankkake;obvious isn't exactly obvious for altcoiners
644320;1398512239;mircea_popescu;pankkake the notion that altcoins "will die", for instance.
644321;1398512258;mircea_popescu;it's not unlike to german heer derping about how tanks will make infantry obsolete.
644322;1398512266;mircea_popescu;that can't happen. a tank needs cover.
644323;1398512300;pankkake;they'll be increasingly less relevant, not more
644324;1398512330;mircea_popescu;their relevancy will wax and wane with government activity.
644325;1398512344;pankkake;what does that even mean?
644326;1398512346;mircea_popescu;the more govts derp, the more relevant they become. the less govts derp, the more they seem to fade.
644327;1398512459;mircea_popescu;anyway, basically that entire article is a poor rewrite of trilema material, by people who aren't quite smart enough or informed enough to be doing it.
644328;1398512497;mircea_popescu;cheifly, http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/
644329;1398512598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22955 @ 0.00094427 = 21.6757 BTC [-] {2} 
644330;1398512627;peterl;simple thermodynamics: altcoins exist, so some non-zero value must be in them.
644331;1398512641;pankkake;…
644332;1398512643;fluffypony;pankkake: well what if a government outlaws Bitcoin but doesn't mention other cryptocurrencies? or they suddenly start locking people up because they can identify them, and then stuff like this Bytecoin thing with its ring signatures suddenly become appealing to people?
644333;1398512705;pankkake;what's obviously discussed here is altcoins that are simple bitcoin forks
644334;1398512714;fluffypony;ok so
644335;1398512719;pankkake;I'm not sure why I even try, you just decided to be dumb today
644336;1398512726;fluffypony;people are also stupid - I've had an argument with a friend in Cape Town who was considering accepting crypto at his store
644337;1398512728;fluffypony;physical store
644338;1398512746;fluffypony;and he goes "I'm going to accept Litecoin because it confirms faster, I don't want to keep customers waiting for Bitcoin confirmations"
644339;1398512756;pankkake;please…
644340;1398512761;fluffypony;exactly
644341;1398512764;fluffypony;lol
644342;1398512777;mircea_popescu;<pankkake> what's obviously discussed here is altcoins that are simple bitcoin forks << no, i was discussing in general.
644343;1398512782;mircea_popescu;ltc is not a simple fork
644344;1398512837;mircea_popescu;if people want do discuss "simple forks of bitcoin" they're well advised to make their title read "simple forks of bitcoin"
644345;1398512988;fluffypony;lol - so apparently now everyone's a government plant - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529946.980
644346;1398512999;fluffypony;"Danny = British gubmint. Ukyo = US gubmint. Mark = French gubmint."
644347;1398513005;fluffypony;"Mircea Popescu = Romanian gubmint"
644348;1398513042;mircea_popescu;romania has a gubmint ?!
644349;1398513063;fluffypony;apparently
644350;1398513066;fluffypony;and you're their plant
644351;1398513071;fluffypony;to manipulatez the cryptoz
644352;1398513086;fluffypony;clearly I'm the South African gubmint plant
644353;1398513099;mircea_popescu;hey, i guess romania wins then.
644354;1398513142;mircea_popescu;Even beyond these political and economic incentives, there is a process of cultural dekulakization: look no further than the young poor Whites who now call each other “nigga”.
644355;1398513150;mircea_popescu;i do confess this always strikes me as quite amusing.
644356;1398513189;mircea_popescu;i figure someone somewhere is definitely rubbing one off to the sound of white chattel going "ma nigga!"
644357;1398513236;fluffypony;I can see Justin Timberlake doing that
644358;1398513321;mircea_popescu;did pankkake ragequit !?
644359;1398513342;fluffypony;yes
644360;1398513390;mircea_popescu;but...why
644361;1398513613;mircea_popescu;!up equex
644362;1398513613;assbot;Voicing equex for 30 minutes.
644363;1398513681;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: "[13:45:19]  <+pankkake> I'm not sure why I even try, you just decided to be dumb today"
644364;1398513683;fluffypony;that's why
644365;1398513706;mircea_popescu;uh
644366;1398513716;mircea_popescu;dude that wasn't so much of a try.
644367;1398513765;kakobrekla;such hate.
644368;1398513826;mircea_popescu;well if anyone wants to pick it up...
644369;1398513855;fluffypony;ya know, maybe altcoins will eventually be like those in-store reward credits you get
644370;1398513871;fluffypony;more of a branding thing than anything else, with the advantage that they can be re-sold more easily than store credit
644371;1398513899;mircea_popescu;definitely will be some like that.
644372;1398513956;fluffypony;what are your thoughts on altcoins, mircea_popescu?
644373;1398514009;thestringpuller;pls deposit 1000 trilema credits for answer
644374;1398514022;mircea_popescu;lol
644375;1398514025;fluffypony;thestringpuller: Credits: 49985.
644376;1398514029;fluffypony;I have enough to cover it
644377;1398514038;mircea_popescu;wasn't i defending litecoin earlier on the grounds that it's good to have ?
644378;1398514052;mircea_popescu;i don't like obvious scams, a la doge / aurora / keisercoin / what have you
644379;1398514059;mircea_popescu;otherwise altcoins are a strategic imperative.
644380;1398514063;fluffypony;yeah
644381;1398514527;peterl;now that TAT is out of MPIF, who is going to be the spread manager?
644382;1398514567;HeySteve;bobby lee has been proposed for "election" to bitcoin foundation board
644383;1398514574;HeySteve;https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/916-industry-candidate-bobby-lee/
644384;1398514591;peterl;who's bobby lee?
644385;1398514596;HeySteve;god they're still going on about redlisting
644386;1398514611;HeySteve;head of BTC China
644387;1398514669;fluffypony;peterl: from BTC-China
644388;1398514745;mircea_popescu;peterl jurov, was announced yest
644389;1398514769;mircea_popescu;wasn't btc banned in china ?
644390;1398514775;peterl;several times
644391;1398514790;mircea_popescu;it's beyond me what the chinese are doing buying this crap
644392;1398514797;mircea_popescu;even if it is pretty cheap.
644393;1398514803;bounce;somebody cook up a "not affiliated with the bitcoin foundation at all"-banner, just to show how supportive you are of that bunch
644394;1398514830;mircea_popescu;afaik bobby lee is a comedian, but anyway.
644395;1398514901;bounce;well, there's the government, and there's getting things done. the chinese appear to be quite used to the former getting in the way of the latter.
644396;1398514916;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18272 @ 0.00094668 = 17.2977 BTC [+]
644397;1398515016;HeySteve;on the plus side it's make things more international, the foundation being very US-centric is a common criticism
644398;1398515024;HeySteve;*it'd
644399;1398515071;mircea_popescu;bounce i put an order in.
644400;1398515160;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00094935 = 14.7624 BTC [+]
644401;1398515465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0321 = 0.2568 BTC [-]
644402;1398515481;kakobrekla;morning lolz
644403;1398515482;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6405427#msg6405427
644404;1398515483;ozbot;Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
644405;1398515527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00094668 = 9.1355 BTC [-]
644406;1398515649;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0692 = 0.346 BTC [-]
644407;1398515770;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032599 = 0.326 BTC [+]
644408;1398516075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8255 @ 0.00094668 = 7.8148 BTC [-]
644409;1398516075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0326 = 0.2282 BTC [+]
644410;1398516319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00095057 = 7.2243 BTC [+] {2} 
644411;1398516686;HeySteve;“Bitcoin protocol is like an app store and Bitcoin is an app. Right now developers like us are pioneering new financial tools and utilities that are going to be added to the 'app store' – financial services like escrow and contracts.�
644412;1398516710;HeySteve;wow plz gief 1st escrow service ever
644413;1398516730;HeySteve;dunno if anyone heard of these comtracks either?
644414;1398516732;HeySteve;http://www.proactiveinvestors.com/companies/news/53447/newnote-financial-pioneering-crypto-currency-transactions-as-online-currencies-set-to-change-the-face-of-money-53447.html
644415;1398516733;ozbot;Newnote Financial: pioneering crypto-currency transactions as online currencies set to change the fa
644416;1398516990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18388 @ 0.00095082 = 17.4837 BTC [+] {2} 
644417;1398517113;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0326 = 0.163 BTC [+]
644418;1398517114;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [+]
644419;1398517173;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
644420;1398517220;fluffypony;kakobrekla: pffft, financials, who needs them!
644421;1398517234;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0326 = 0.163 BTC [+]
644422;1398517235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04230001 = 0.2115 BTC [-] {3} 
644423;1398517270;fluffypony;HeySteve: "6 or 7 terahashes" - so like two ASICs?
644424;1398517295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.0742218 = 0.8164 BTC [-] {2} 
644425;1398517296;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0326 = 0.163 BTC [+]
644426;1398517297;fluffypony;why do they need “six 10 tonne AC units" for that?
644427;1398517304;kakobrekla;i dunno if you have been following the thread, but so far he spent more time typing out "im sorry theres no financial will do them asap" than it would took to actually make them
644428;1398517326;fluffypony;kakobrekla: lol
644429;1398517356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.042 = 0.462 BTC [-] {3} 
644430;1398517357;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0325995 = 0.1956 BTC [-] {2} 
644431;1398517503;mircea_popescu;bounce ask and ye shall receive :
644432;1398517503;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/anti-bitcoin-foundation-banners/
644433;1398517504;ozbot;Anti Bitcoin Foundation banners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
644434;1398517546;HeySteve;nice, now we need the t-shirt
644435;1398517561;mircea_popescu;HeySteve no way, moar innovative first ever etc ?
644436;1398517608;kakobrekla;t shirt should say "the first, the biggest, the best." nubbins` go!
644437;1398517635;HeySteve;I think I'm just noticing too many Bitcoin people talk like Gavin Belson from Silicon Valley. CryptoAIDS, etc.
644438;1398517667;kakobrekla;;;google gavin belson
644439;1398517668;gribble;Gavin Belson: Bio l Silicon Valley l HBO - HBO.com: <http://www.hbo.com/silicon-valley/cast-and-crew/matt-ross/bio/gavin-belson.html>; 'Silicon Valley' review: Definitely a start-up to watch | NJ.com: <http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2014/04/silicon_valley_review_hbo_thomas_middleditch_mike_judge.html>; Mike Judge's Uncanny Silicon Valley | TechCrunch: (1 more message)
644440;1398517719;kakobrekla;what is this even
644441;1398517743;HeySteve;it's a TV show about a startup in silicon valley
644442;1398517775;HeySteve;it's not very funny but has its moments. reddit was shouting to the moon because bitcoin was mentioned in last episode
644443;1398517855;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bitcoin-foundation-scam-728×90.png is brokened
644444;1398517879;fluffypony;so is the 468x60
644445;1398517919;kakobrekla;that banner is hurting eyes
644446;1398517988;HeySteve;<+fluffypony> why do they need “six 10 tonne AC units" for that? <-another syngeristic enterprise they're incorporating to save children from cancer is growing pot for SR 2.0 under lights in the basement. just my guess
644447;1398517999;fluffypony;smart
644448;1398518009;fluffypony;drukz+bitcoinz all in one investment "vehicle"
644449;1398518027;HeySteve;well mind you they're in canada
644450;1398518029;fluffypony;CannaBit 2.0
644451;1398518035;HeySteve;some places that's legal there, so who knows
644452;1398518048;kakobrekla;take t his http://i.imgur.com/0WZIZv8.png and change "Platinum" to "Anti" or something
644453;1398518050;mircea_popescu;and now, for the actual article i was writing : http://trilema.com/2014/gloria/
644454;1398518053;mircea_popescu;you gotta see this movie.
644455;1398518078;mircea_popescu;fluffypony looking into ty
644456;1398518082;kakobrekla;that i would put on #b-a.com
644457;1398518088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
644458;1398518089;HeySteve;"Platiscam"
644459;1398518240;mircea_popescu;-468&#215;60.png
644460;1398518241;mircea_popescu;ffs.
644461;1398518271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.503 BTC [+]
644462;1398518316;mircea_popescu;fluffypony pls to check nao ?
644463;1398518320;fluffypony;ok
644464;1398518332;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00020918 = 0.2092 BTC [-]
644465;1398518354;fluffypony;she's alive!
644466;1398518392;mircea_popescu;which is your blog again ?
644467;1398518448;fluffypony;blog.spagni.net
644468;1398518499;mircea_popescu;i think it's still broked
644469;1398518538;fluffypony;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bitcoin-foundation-scam-728x90.png
644470;1398518541;fluffypony;works
644471;1398518546;fluffypony;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/bitcoin-foundation-scam-468x60.png
644472;1398518548;fluffypony;works as well
644473;1398518549;moiety;aftermewn :D
644474;1398518561;fluffypony;moiety of the cookie factory!
644475;1398518573;moiety;<fluffypony> moiety: wife's baking cookies after I showed her your bears << win! how did they go? what kind did she make and has she ever tried shortbread? also can i just say whats wrong with homemaking? D: i don't feel like this would be bad if I were producing things around the house/garden and i could try and make things online.
644476;1398518577;moiety;o there you are
644477;1398518579;moiety;lol
644478;1398518594;fluffypony;moiety: she made choc chip cookies
644479;1398518604;fluffypony;I ate one before it cooled, so it was crumbly
644480;1398518605;fluffypony;but delicious
644481;1398518622;jurov;remind me  to the banner my ex-boss has put on the building
644482;1398518629;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/#comment-99331 << added you to teh list
644483;1398518629;ozbot;People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
644484;1398518641;mircea_popescu;!up SatoshiJack
644485;1398518641;assbot;Voicing SatoshiJack for 30 minutes.
644486;1398518645;jurov;"This project was not funded by Europen Union"
644487;1398518653;moiety;<mircea_popescu> [...]The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It) << aw fuck, don't make me go into magic gathering cards now, i just made this thing work.
644488;1398518662;mircea_popescu;jurov lol
644489;1398518677;mircea_popescu;moiety you made what work!
644490;1398518684;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: cool tks
644491;1398518704;moiety;fluffypony: well most baked things are better just out of the oven, i have another pic! one sec
644492;1398518714;mircea_popescu;if pankkake isn't too pissed off maybe he also adds you to the assimilation
644493;1398518739;HeySteve;mircea_popescu, I have an article coming up you can add also
644494;1398518739;moiety;mircea_popescu: well apart from the derpage, the doge site is ticking over (sorry for the expletive :P)
644495;1398518762;mircea_popescu;HeySteve link it
644496;1398518764;HeySteve;mentions #bitcoin-assets and has some quotes here about that f2f thing
644497;1398518786;moiety;Brownies!!! Warm right after bakerage! http://i.imgur.com/HHRZSSR.jpg
644498;1398518790;HeySteve;I will, just waiting on publishing queue
644499;1398518806;mircea_popescu;HeySteve the list is you know, of bitcoin/personal blogs maintained by the locals
644500;1398518807;SatoshiJack;We have made some good progress over the week -- we are now up with atc -- and doing manual processing for withdraws for now.
644501;1398518831;mircea_popescu;moiety you got any atc /
644502;1398518833;mircea_popescu;?
644503;1398518855;moiety;no i just passed out the website link a lot when people were looking for something
644504;1398518866;moiety;i dont have any alts at all for personal use
644505;1398518871;mircea_popescu;hm.
644506;1398518897;moiety;for why?
644507;1398518920;mircea_popescu;for i have a deal for you! you go gamble on that site, if you win we split the gains.
644508;1398518945;mircea_popescu;SatoshiJack mind crediting her 10k atc ? i'll reimburse you when either pankkake or BingoBoingo get online.
644509;1398518953;moiety;oh its atc? i thought it was alts in general
644510;1398518953;HeySteve;mircea_popescu ok it's not my personal blog, there's other people there too
644511;1398518967;HeySteve;but it's always about bitcoin stuff
644512;1398518977;SatoshiJack;no prob... there is free play as well --- give me an atc addy and I'll loan anyone 5K to play right now :)
644513;1398518987;moiety;im hideously unlucky, i'm not risking losing anything for you!
644514;1398518990;mircea_popescu;moiety hit it baby.
644515;1398518991;SatoshiJack;loan = give in this place
644516;1398519003;fluffypony;http://spagni.net/images/bf-scam-250x250.png
644517;1398519031;mircea_popescu;fluffypony add it as a comment ?
644518;1398519044;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: will do, just making a couple of other dimensions
644519;1398519138;jurov;SatoshiJack: 1HgZrzrURJkGCQGeY23NzXGRRALdT9qfeX
644520;1398519169;moiety;who wrote this thing?
644521;1398519263;moiety;Dogecoin is the highest form of satire. << lolol
644522;1398519491;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0791 = 0.3955 BTC [-] {2} 
644523;1398519519;moiety;what site is this we are talking about re atc anyways
644524;1398519539;mircea_popescu;satoshijack.com
644525;1398519544;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves btw, atc nao has a casino.
644526;1398519550;Apocalyptic;\o.
644527;1398519553;mircea_popescu;if you're still maintaining that thread or w/e
644528;1398519918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00095107 = 15.0745 BTC [+]
644529;1398519957;HeySteve;do you guys think it's useful to have a special wallet that automatically divides payments up into apportioned shares to a bunch of wallets it sends on to?
644530;1398520004;mircea_popescu;useful for what ?
644531;1398520024;HeySteve;I don't know, maybe donations or payments depending how the co. is set up
644532;1398520188;mircea_popescu;well if you don't know what for, it can't possibly be useful
644533;1398520233;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the us, Engineer = 1900 Can build a bridge ; 1960 Can assemble computer from parts ; 1995 Knows how to compile kernel ; 2014 Makes button blink w jQuery
644534;1398520235;moiety;urgh QTs do not like me... ever
644535;1398520267;mircea_popescu;davout https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmFHv-LCMAAnyw2.png
644536;1398520302;HeySteve;ok let's say people have a pre-existing arrangement to divide all BTC income. instead of the income going to one person who must be trusted to then distribute it, it goes to this service (which hopefully we don't need to trust)
644537;1398520316;fluffypony;you missed a 2000 Learns to make animated GIFs for his Geocities homepage
644538;1398520319;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmJQEVMCIAAKe8h.png << apparently people break up in spring.
644539;1398520324;mircea_popescu;hence "spring break"
644540;1398520335;fluffypony;lol - will.je.suis
644541;1398520377;Azelphur;!up CheckDavid
644542;1398520377;assbot;Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
644543;1398520403;fluffypony;HeySteve: multi-sig is the solution to that problem
644544;1398520422;Apocalyptic;how is it the solution ?
644545;1398520436;fluffypony;Apocalyptic: if it's being distributed among 5 people then make it a 5 of 5 wallet
644546;1398520441;fluffypony;or 4 of 5 if you're worried someone might die
644547;1398520470;Apocalyptic;i think this is not the model he wants to achieve
644548;1398520491;mircea_popescu;i can;t imagine a situation where the splitting of the coin is the point of failure.
644549;1398520498;Apocalyptic;without additionnal details we can only speculate, but it seems to me he wants to divide it so that each party can use their coins
644550;1398520513;Apocalyptic;irrespective of what the other do (or rather do not) sign
644551;1398520535;jurov;HeySteve: mining pools do it since forever, no?
644552;1398520578;Apocalyptic;" instead of the income going to one person who must be trusted to then distribute it,"
644553;1398520589;Apocalyptic;except p2pool, the pool operator is trusted jurov afaik
644554;1398520599;HeySteve;jurov do you know how they do it? I'm guessing it's a bit of clever code but not necessarily something the regular user could use
644555;1398520618;HeySteve;I will know more when the guy publishes it
644556;1398520631;jurov;it depends what is the income from
644557;1398520635;HeySteve;don't have much more detail at this point
644558;1398520699;HeySteve;if the service is trustworthy, it could lower busywork for the treasurer of projects for eg.
644559;1398520828;CheckDavid;How does one become trusted by assbot ?
644560;1398520836;CheckDavid;Like. Directly?
644561;1398520872;CheckDavid;Is it controlled by the creator?
644562;1398520905;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid there's no clear process as of yet. why ?
644563;1398520917;CheckDavid;Pure curiosity
644564;1398520918;fluffypony;CheckDavid: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
644565;1398520935;fluffypony;you can !up yourself if you're in assbot's L2 trust
644566;1398520949;CheckDavid;I know
644567;1398520953;moiety;lol "spring clean" breakups. probably bitter chicks that got nothing on valentines day.
644568;1398520969;jurov;he asks how to get into direct trust with assbot
644569;1398520975;fluffypony;CheckDavid: ah ok sorry, thought that's what you were alluding to
644570;1398520985;CheckDavid;:)
644571;1398520988;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid prolly there's going to be a panel o nthe next conference where we sit down and see if anyone needs to be added/removed.
644572;1398521000;CheckDavid;I see.
644573;1398521051;mircea_popescu;moiety nothing like no nookie or like no cookie ?
644574;1398521138;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032599 = 0.326 BTC [-]
644575;1398521157;moiety;lol probably for some. the christmas one is true, my ex would disappear for weeks over christmas and birthdays so he didnt have to get me anything
644576;1398521175;kakobrekla;basically it works on bribes atm.
644577;1398521184;mircea_popescu;moiety wow.
644578;1398521199;mircea_popescu;omg kakobrekla selling dignities
644579;1398521216;kakobrekla;church said is ok.
644580;1398521230;mircea_popescu;you know that means we eat you right ?
644581;1398521250;kakobrekla;you know im not going to the next conf right ?
644582;1398521269;mircea_popescu;aw come on!
644583;1398521271;mircea_popescu;eleventy
644584;1398521322;asciilifeform;kakobrekla needs amphibious car
644585;1398521345;mircea_popescu;lol
644586;1398521384;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla what if you die before you see the sexy midgets of patagonia ?
644587;1398521385;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1900 Can build a bridge... 2014 Makes button blink w jQuery << lolll!
644588;1398521411;CheckDavid;So if someone has l2 trust relative to assbot
644589;1398521419;CheckDavid;And adds someone to their trust list
644590;1398521426;CheckDavid;That someone is l3 ?
644591;1398521440;mircea_popescu;so i think i've reached a new low. i'm starving but too lazy to either make anything or order someone to make something or order a car to go to eat out or any other alternative.
644592;1398521443;mircea_popescu;i guess i lose weight.
644593;1398521449;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid yes
644594;1398521454;peterl;CheckDavid: yes, but only up to l2 can voice themself
644595;1398521481;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu Gödelian diet
644596;1398521483;jurov;inb4 mircea_popescu orders soylent
644597;1398521488;fluffypony;I like NotLambChop
644598;1398521493;CheckDavid;So only those who have l1 can afford l2 trust to someone
644599;1398521501;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid yes
644600;1398521503;CheckDavid;:o
644601;1398521519;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is it ? srsly ? jurov nah, i could have boobmilk but meh. too sweet.
644602;1398521522;peterl;mircea_popescu: it is times like these you should have raw-edible foods on hand
644603;1398521562;mircea_popescu;i do
644604;1398521566;mircea_popescu;too lazy to fucking chew
644605;1398521574;moiety;mircea_popescu: do we have to get you a usb toaster?
644606;1398521591;mircea_popescu;i have almonds walnuts hazels bananas oranges apples and etfc.
644607;1398521593;jurov;moiety how'd that help with chewing?
644608;1398521602;moiety;i just read that bit
644609;1398521609;moiety;usb blender?
644610;1398521615;mircea_popescu;i also have various cakes, and milk
644611;1398521630;mircea_popescu;i can't be bothered to drink milk. i think maybe the issue is, i've been overfeeding myself
644612;1398521663;peterl;you need some IV nutrients?
644613;1398521675;mircea_popescu;i'll just ride it out, see what happens.
644614;1398521679;moiety;i get like that when ive been grazing too much. don't get up the want for an actual meal
644615;1398521691;mircea_popescu;wait, you're an actual cow ?!
644616;1398521702;moiety;moooo :D
644617;1398521702;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: over here we have these special foods for people too lazy to eat (or, nominally, athletes) - little bars made of a substance resembling cat food
644618;1398521718;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have a stack of hand made pralines, those count ?
644619;1398521731;asciilifeform;nah pralines are tasty
644620;1398521812;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/36033ac327aad7f5394f98f388a08d0c/tumblr_n301tyDIx51spqhnio1_500.jpg
644621;1398521882;asciilifeform;lol
644622;1398521884;fluffypony;over hear when I'm too lazy to eat I pour myself a beer
644623;1398521887;fluffypony;it's like a loaf of bread
644624;1398521889;fluffypony;but without chewing
644625;1398521907;moiety;dude my eyes D;
644626;1398521910;peterl;only if it is good beer
644627;1398521931;mircea_popescu;moiety what, she's got great teats.
644628;1398521946;moiety;guiness is like a meal. i can't handle it
644629;1398521955;moiety;she has udders mircea_popescu
644630;1398521964;fluffypony;moiety: that's what makes it so perfect :)
644631;1398521970;kakobrekla;<asciilifeform> kakobrekla needs amphibious car <- is this some weird rehash of golf cart joke ?
644632;1398521984;moiety;fluffypony: half a pint and i feel like i have drunk bricks
644633;1398521991;mircea_popescu;Age: 23, Height: 5ft 5in (165 cm), Weight: 317 lbs.
644634;1398521994;mircea_popescu;this must be a misprint
644635;1398522010;moiety;you get a funny moustache though :{D
644636;1398522022;fluffypony;moiety: as long as you don't shit bricks it's fine
644637;1398522055;kakobrekla;;;google  midgets of patagonia
644638;1398522056;gribble;Patagonia Rock Climbing Ambassador Kate Rutherford: <http://www.patagonia.com/us/ambassadors/rock-climbing/kate-rutherford/73355>; Translation of midget in German - Vocabulix: <http://www.vocabulix.com/translation/german/midget.html>; Patagonia Snow: Built for the Deepest Days - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5iHSOmAzIM>
644639;1398522075;moiety;no but makes me look a bit pregnant which doesn't go down so well in a drinking situation fluffypony XD
644640;1398522080;fluffypony;lol
644641;1398522092;asciilifeform;moiety should go to next meetup, pet colocolos
644642;1398522124;kakobrekla;those dont seem to famous mircea_popescu .
644643;1398522135;asciilifeform;then convince mp to go kazahstan next year - pet manul
644644;1398522138;kakobrekla;too*
644645;1398522152;moiety;totally tastes heavy too .. just urgh. craft ipa's ftw!
644646;1398522166;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla the... moderately famous midgets of patagonia ?
644647;1398522168;moiety;re conf : i was so jealous of your pics! looked fun D;
644648;1398522186;kakobrekla;asciilifeform  id take the nuke sub ride if you come around making one.
644649;1398522190;mircea_popescu;anyway, you ever did a black woman ? how about a creole woman ? how about etc.
644650;1398522211;mircea_popescu;gotta live to shit on each continent, i say.
644651;1398522233;mircea_popescu;i did europe, africa and asia so far... north and i guess central america.
644652;1398522239;*;moiety version - live to pet a native cat on each continent*
644653;1398522276;kakobrekla;i dunno, the next continent i would hope would be on another planet
644654;1398522285;kakobrekla;i visit*
644655;1398522290;moiety;kakobrekla: have you applied to mars one?
644656;1398522291;kakobrekla;put it together.
644657;1398522297;asciilifeform;hard to pet native cat in... australia
644658;1398522315;kakobrekla;moiety lets have the waters tested first.
644659;1398522316;mircea_popescu;;;google australia native kitten
644660;1398522317;gribble;Feral cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_cat>; The Great Australian Cat Dilemma - Messybeast: <http://messybeast.com/ausdilemma.htm>; Cats and Wildlife - Good Cat SA: <http://goodcatsa.com/pages/cats-and-wildlife>
644661;1398522321;moiety;i'd take a domestic that's lived all its life there asciilifeform
644662;1398522335;jurov;antarctica?
644663;1398522349;moiety;now wait .. i think there is something there jurov
644664;1398522354;jurov;but i guess moiety'll gladly accept a penguin instead
644665;1398522373;moiety;i may be thinking of a fox but hang on
644666;1398522381;moiety;and yes, entirely true jurov
644667;1398522402;asciilifeform;;;google true penguin
644668;1398522402;gribble;Nine Insane (But True) Penguin Facts | Animal-Free Entertainment ...: <http://www.peta.org/living/entertainment/penguin-facts/>; Pierre the Penguin: A True Story: Jean Marzollo, Laura Regan ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Pierre-Penguin-A-True-Story/dp/1585364851>; Explorer returns to emperor penguin colony in search of a true count: (1 more message)
644669;1398522408;asciilifeform;;;google true penguin extinct
644670;1398522409;gribble;True Penguins Are All Extinct - KnowledgeNuts: <http://knowledgenuts.com/2014/03/09/true-penguins-are-all-extinct/>; Pikas, Polar Bears, Penguins Go Extinct | Real Science: <http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/pikas-polar-bears-penguins-go-extinct/>; Are penguins extinct - Wiki Answers: <http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_penguins_extinct>
644671;1398522445;kakobrekla;yeah well 99% or so of all species ever existed are gone
644672;1398522533;moiety;yeahhh imma have to make do with a small fox in antarctica the cats that have been there were only visiting http://www.purr-n-fur.org.uk/famous/antarctic.html
644673;1398522540;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: sub << http://www.grawsome.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Sleeping-Walrus-2.jpg
644674;1398522604;kakobrekla;is he gonna bill him for wrong parking or what
644675;1398522658;asciilifeform;http://usvsth3m.com/post/56329159173/sleepy-walrus-on-a-russian-submarine
644676;1398522659;ozbot;Sleepy walrus on a Russian submarine - Us Vs Th3m
644677;1398522666;asciilifeform;'comrade walrus is ready for Captain’s table'
644678;1398522712;asciilifeform;sub's gonna need wheels, so we can pick up mp
644679;1398522724;mircea_popescu;fuck you, i'm a dragon.
644680;1398522725;mircea_popescu;i fly.
644681;1398522736;asciilifeform;lol, then we've got our ride.
644682;1398522744;kakobrekla;i thought the lions always wins
644683;1398522765;mircea_popescu;a manticore is kinda like a lion-dragon
644684;1398523151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18496 @ 0.00094668 = 17.5098 BTC [-]
644685;1398523208;asciilifeform;what's an old uboat cost, anyway.
644686;1398523259;mircea_popescu;;;google alibaba old uboat
644687;1398523260;gribble;Poznań - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozna%C5%84>; Popular U Boat Xxi | Aliexpress: <http://www.aliexpress.com/popular/u-boat-xxi.html>; Used Kayak, Used Kayak Products, Used Kayak ... - Alibaba.com: <http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/used-kayak.html>
644688;1398523267;asciilifeform;fund with miners (seawater cooling)
644689;1398523295;mircea_popescu;diesel elec is expensive.
644690;1398523393;*;asciilifeform wonders if there ever lived a boy who didn't want uboat
644691;1398523404;fluffypony;that's not bad, $28 - http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Alice-papermodel-WWII-German-U-Boat-model-U-BOOT-XXI-submarine-model-ship-model-military/343765571.html
644692;1398523404;asciilifeform;well, post-1920
644693;1398523405;fluffypony;:-P
644694;1398523442;*;jurov wonders abut range on batteries
644695;1398523466;fluffypony;I remember making a TNG Enterprise paper model
644696;1398523472;fluffypony;was so messy
644697;1398523511;asciilifeform;incidentally, interesting historical figure, largely unknown in english world - captain marinesko.
644698;1398523521;peterl;use nuclear powered sumarine to power miners?
644699;1398523534;asciilifeform;peterl: i suggested this once. free electric, cooling.
644700;1398523597;jurov;http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2008/April/Pages/AntiSub2301.aspx they quote $200-300mil
644701;1398523626;asciilifeform;jurov: about same cost as a three-story office in palo alto.
644702;1398523648;jurov;or on cyprus lol...maybe danny bought one
644703;1398523668;moiety;<mircea_popescu> fuck you, i'm a dragon. << lol please bash this
644704;1398523695;kakobrekla;moiety , time to learn how to bash
644705;1398523705;moiety;i did before! i wasnt accepted D;
644706;1398523717;kakobrekla;blame it on the mods
644707;1398523742;Apocalyptic;he means blame it on kako
644708;1398523786;jurov;there are other mods
644709;1398523789;*;jurov hides
644710;1398523793;kakobrekla;kakobrekla ircing lcc is no loger liable for any past or present action or involved in the moderation of this project in any way. it is fully in withing the rigts of kakobrekla ircing lcc to blame it on the mods.
644711;1398523813;mircea_popescu;haha
644712;1398523821;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1798684/plain/)
644713;1398523821;mircea_popescu;!b 2
644714;1398523832;Apocalyptic;<jurov> there are other mods // I know
644715;1398523857;moiety;ok im pending
644716;1398523916;moiety;damn, the way you did it is a bit easier
644717;1398523921;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is he that romanian dude that sunk a german ship ?
644718;1398524038;bounce;ukrainian with a romanian sailor for a dad
644719;1398524054;HeySteve;lol is this where the Crimea bet comes from? http://games.usvsth3m.com/the-hobbit/title/2:%20Electric%20Boogaloo
644720;1398524065;fluffypony;http://imgur.com/a/KDwtE
644721;1398524065;ozbot;How China Sinks Bitcoin - South Park Style - Imgur
644722;1398524094;mircea_popescu;bounce romanian with an ukrainian mother ?
644723;1398524132;bounce;``His father had fled to Russia after beating an officer'' -- such karma
644724;1398524188;bounce;born there, so, depends on the various laws involved
644725;1398524263;mircea_popescu;odessa is this russian town the romanians kept invading.
644726;1398524278;fluffypony;and also a place in Texas
644727;1398524292;bounce;filthy texan name stealers
644728;1398524303;fluffypony;I only know that from watching Heroes
644729;1398524310;mircea_popescu;(the russians got it from the ottomans, and before that i dont recall, prolly tatars)
644730;1398524339;mircea_popescu;before that greek, of course.
644731;1398524622;ThickAsThieves;<+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves btw, atc nao has a casino.  /// i sullied my boots and updated the forum
644732;1398524624;bounce;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Marinesko -- lots of drama
644733;1398524625;ozbot;Alexander Marinesko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
644734;1398524638;ThickAsThieves;however http://therealaltcoin.org/ seems to be down for some ungodly reason
644735;1398524662;HeySteve;http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/we-will-nationalise-oceans-eff-1.1590460#.U1vIdXV50Y4
644736;1398524665;ozbot;We will nationalise oceans - EFF - Politics | IOL News | IOL.co.za
644737;1398524671;ThickAsThieves;the whole website is an html file, so this should be interesting...
644738;1398524715;mircea_popescu;the electronic frontier foundation ?!
644739;1398524721;jurov;ThickAsThieves: how much did you pay for hosting?
644740;1398524741;bounce;"economic freedom fighters", proposing to "mine" the oceans and free them from fish!
644741;1398524772;HeySteve;our intellectual aristocracy in full roar
644742;1398524776;ThickAsThieves;jurov i dunno, i think it's a namecheap package
644743;1398524780;mircea_popescu;“If we nationalise it, then the people on the ground will benefit, not capitalists. These big companies come to Cape Town and they fish as much as they want and then when a normal or poor person goes to do the same, they are given a quota.
644744;1398524782;mircea_popescu;how true is that ?
644745;1398524807;bounce;so true, totally. because, capitalists are like, companies and shit.
644746;1398524828;mircea_popescu;“They take a few thousand people, then they eat on our behalf, then they are telling us we are OK.”
644747;1398524841;mircea_popescu;bounce well if it's true then the quotas have to go.
644748;1398524854;bounce;I'm reminded of that "computers are racist" thing
644749;1398524977;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: all of their claims are gross exaggerations or outrightly false, but that's politics for you
644750;1398524994;bounce;those quota are there so the next generation will still be able to fish. if they don't work, make'em work, not speed up the fish' extinction a bit.
644751;1398525001;fluffypony;thankfully they don't have a phenomenally big following, mostly disgruntled ex-ANC Youth League guys
644752;1398525025;bounce;so I'd say that the problem looks like corruption and that's got to go. but if you can't even name the problem accurately, then you're spouting nonsense.
644753;1398525030;mircea_popescu;bounce just take the quotas away, permit fishing only for people.
644754;1398525045;mircea_popescu;solves the problem, cause you can't fucking extinguish fisheries with a line
644755;1398525051;mircea_popescu;but you can feed yourself.
644756;1398525103;mircea_popescu;generally speaking, disallowing corporations from owning certain classes of goods is the way to go. currently persons may not own guns, various substances, etc.
644757;1398525122;mircea_popescu;this is silly. it should work the other way around : no corporation may own real estate or any foodstuffs
644758;1398525143;mircea_popescu;suddenly you don't need zoning laws anymore.
644759;1398525144;moiety;ThickAsThieves: do i have to make my own config file for atc? im not an alt person at all
644760;1398525148;bounce;it'd be a neat idea if it worked. but now we have a million fishermen fishing for delivery to bigger companies. oversight goes down, quality of fish goes down, loss goes up, total fishing goes up
644761;1398525161;ThickAsThieves;ok site works now
644762;1398525164;ThickAsThieves;dunno what was up
644763;1398525168;ThickAsThieves;i just logged in
644764;1398525169;ThickAsThieves;:/
644765;1398525171;mircea_popescu;bounce there's no corp that may take delivery of fish.
644766;1398525202;ThickAsThieves;moiety you'll probably wanna use a pool
644767;1398525207;ThickAsThieves;there are two i know of
644768;1398525219;moiety;i just want to qt to sync
644769;1398525228;bounce;"corporation" also includes the lone fisherman incorporating his boat for tax and financing reasons. you'd also have to amend tax codes and whatnot.
644770;1398525229;ThickAsThieves;oh you need a node then
644771;1398525242;ThickAsThieves;we have a channel #altcoin
644772;1398525249;mircea_popescu;bounce sure. no tax on either these classes.
644773;1398525257;ThickAsThieves;and pankakke is better at support than me, i'll look at my config though
644774;1398525264;ThickAsThieves;Nodes: 188.165.216.59, 125.120.196.224, 68.35.72.33, 162.243.123.118
644775;1398525286;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00094636 = 16.8925 BTC [-] {2} 
644776;1398525287;moiety;ty!
644777;1398525297;ThickAsThieves;ty!
644778;1398525404;bounce;interesting though experiment, but it has rather far-reaching implications. no corp can take delivery of fish? that's no fish exports, no fish in the supermarkets, no fish in restaurants, and so on.
644779;1398525424;mircea_popescu;bounce unless it's a person run restaurant.
644780;1398525445;bounce;so now the cook and the maitre'd are no longer working for the same boss
644781;1398525448;mircea_popescu;anyway, from what i understand, the problem there specifically is that people are stupid, and western style corps are pwning them
644782;1398525459;mircea_popescu;restricting access to essentials would allow a softer transition.
644783;1398525475;mircea_popescu;ie, they don't have or want or could support a proper restaurant
644784;1398525480;bounce;but this is cape town, where western style business has been around for how long?
644785;1398525481;mircea_popescu;they just try to get enough food on the table.
644786;1398525502;mircea_popescu;you mean around among whites ?
644787;1398525519;mircea_popescu;afaik (and i have no clue, so don't be shy in disabusing me of false notions) it never happened among black people.
644788;1398525580;bounce;this is something for fluffypony to eludiate, I think. whites have been out and about there for a while, true enough.
644789;1398525584;mircea_popescu;anyway, the general point im proceeding from is that their problem is corporatism, and how it outcompetes their own dumb heads. the solution of pushing things further up the chain, through nationalisation (giving it to the state, the largest corp of them all) is exactly wrong
644790;1398525587;mircea_popescu;should go the other way
644791;1398525592;*;fluffypony reads up
644792;1398525632;bounce;that I'll agree with. but that's politics, and we already more or less established that the politics of there are a bit fscked up
644793;1398525639;fluffypony;tbh there is a MASSIVE coloured fishing community in Cape Town
644794;1398525647;fluffypony;they go out early from Kalk Bay Harbour on little tug boats
644795;1398525668;mircea_popescu;fluffypony but how much of the caught fish is caught by their little tug boats, as a % ?
644796;1398525672;mircea_popescu;more than say about 15% ?
644797;1398525717;fluffypony;and you can go to the harbour in the morning where their wives sell the fish the husbands caught
644798;1398525738;decimation;re: corps owning guns :: in the US there is a well-known loophole around the background check laws - if the "owners" are both officers of a "corporation", no transfer papers are needed, and the corp owns the gun
644799;1398525749;fluffypony;there are a number of fishing communities like that
644800;1398525771;decimation;Therefore in the US corporations are priviledged to share guns as they see fit, people are not
644801;1398525777;bounce;so assign the gun to an llc and pass that around instead?
644802;1398525782;mircea_popescu;decimation exactly my point.
644803;1398525797;mircea_popescu;bounce most rich people with a large gun stash and tax attorney have a gun llc
644804;1398525805;fluffypony;sorry internet died
644805;1398525806;fluffypony;well they fish a lot less than the corporates, for sure, but in the many times I went to the harbour to buy fish I never had any of them complain to me about restrictions or limits
644806;1398525808;decimation;or a trust
644807;1398525812;ThickAsThieves;SatoshiJack.com Casino link added to therealaltcoin.org, thread updated as well!
644808;1398525830;mircea_popescu;decimation yeah that gets into various local details. same principle tho.
644809;1398525840;bounce;"rent a gun", where you rent (officership in) "gun #n llc" and get the gun as a perquisite
644810;1398525850;mircea_popescu;that doesn't work afaik
644811;1398525876;decimation;in fact, perfectly reasonable things like suppressors and silencers MUST be shared this way, because non-licensed people cannot trade them at all
644812;1398525912;decimation;so, you and your son want to plink with .22 but don't want to blow out ears: must form gun corp
644813;1398525918;mircea_popescu;fluffypony so whyd they be complaining to you, or what'd that do.
644814;1398525932;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: you become friends with them
644815;1398525950;fluffypony;you deal with the same people, haggle over price, talk about the best way to cook the fish
644816;1398525957;fluffypony;they seem reasonably content
644817;1398525966;mircea_popescu;i get the concept
644818;1398525976;bounce;might ask them what they think about this "eff" bunch and their position
644819;1398525979;fluffypony;the root of the problem here isn't corporations per se. if you go back to the 60s and 70s a lot of blacks were given "Bantu Education", which was the equivalent of like a US Grade 5 or 6
644820;1398525981;mircea_popescu;but still " I never had any of them complain" is a weak counter
644821;1398526004;fluffypony;like you get taught reading, writing, a bit of geography and history, and enough maths to add stuff up
644822;1398526005;mircea_popescu;fluffypony well that's what i said. they get outcompeted. cause stupid.
644823;1398526008;bounce;it still smells like cheap populism to me, but there could be a bigger point buried under the poor rhetoric
644824;1398526018;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: it goes further though
644825;1398526032;fluffypony;because the government's "solution" post-1994 to the white management class
644826;1398526044;fluffypony;was to enforce BEE rules
644827;1398526051;mircea_popescu;no idea what bee is
644828;1398526058;fluffypony;Black Economic Empowerment
644829;1398526060;fluffypony;affirmative action
644830;1398526069;mircea_popescu;you mean that nut that took over rhodesia ?
644831;1398526070;fluffypony;so companies hired and promoted black management who were NOT equipped to managed, who were NOT educated
644832;1398526088;bounce;how's the schooling situation now then?
644833;1398526100;fluffypony;for instance, in the late 90s the father of a guy I was in school with had a roofing and tiling business
644834;1398526101;mircea_popescu;yeah yeah. nobody seriously considers the shit they did "post colonialism" makes any sense.
644835;1398526110;fluffypony;government threatened to drop his contracts because he wasn't BEE compliant
644836;1398526122;fluffypony;he took his gardener on as a business partner
644837;1398526130;fluffypony;and gave him 51% of the company to sign some documents
644838;1398526142;fluffypony;gardener gets a nice salary
644839;1398526155;fluffypony;but fast forward a few years and the gardener realises he has a controlling interest
644840;1398526161;fluffypony;and wants to "manage" and get more money
644841;1398526175;fluffypony;which leads to the company imploding, obviously
644842;1398526178;decimation;what's the difference between these bee rules and the local mafia demanding payment to not ruin your business?
644843;1398526193;mircea_popescu;this is so ridiculous. the same principle displayed at work in disgrace, the malkovich film
644844;1398526205;fluffypony;decimation: nothing - which is why they've been heavily criticised over the years as creating a "reverse Apartheid"
644845;1398526208;fluffypony;which is what it's done
644846;1398526221;mircea_popescu;decimation that the mafia works in a white majority, trying to make ends meet for a legitimately opressed minority
644847;1398526222;fluffypony;black fat cats sitting at the top of the food chain through no effort or hard work or brilliance
644848;1398526237;decimation;well, because all the white liberals worldwide thought that if you just gave blacks the whip hand everything would work out
644849;1398526238;mircea_popescu;whereas the bee stuff works in a black majority, trying to redistribute the revenue of the whites more towards the majority
644850;1398526245;decimation;instead of creating apocolypse now
644851;1398526272;fluffypony;and the thing is, BEE doesn't empower the younger blacks who have had a proper education and gone to university and are willing and able to work hard
644852;1398526279;fluffypony;it just creates a sense of entitlement among the lazy
644853;1398526291;decimation;yeah the blacks willing to make something themselves are probably the most screwed
644854;1398526295;mircea_popescu;basically it tries for a saudi arabia
644855;1398526296;decimation;just like in the US
644856;1398526301;mircea_popescu;except instead of oil... it's suckers.
644857;1398526323;fluffypony;also, because of BEE there were a TON of educated white guys from the late 90s till like 2010 who left South Africa because they couldn't get a job
644858;1398526325;mircea_popescu;the model is unsurprisingly pushed by the us, seeing how sa was their only ally for a long time.
644859;1398526341;fluffypony;I'm talking like doctors and programmers and lawyers and chartered accountants and stuff
644860;1398526345;decimation;absolutely.  SA is now living the American dream
644861;1398526345;fluffypony;so then you have a brain-drain situation
644862;1398526362;fluffypony;where they go "oh shit we have too few doctors"
644863;1398526367;decimation;just like Rhodesia, Congo, etc
644864;1398526380;decimation;Liberia was the old American dream
644865;1398526396;fluffypony;and they solve that by handing out education grants and pushing the wrong candidates through a medical degree
644866;1398526399;mircea_popescu;fluffypony as you describe it, the only business i'd consider running in south africa would be something like kidnapping young women to be transported for sex work or somesuch.
644867;1398526405;mircea_popescu;basically... they've got africa back to 1700.
644868;1398526405;fluffypony;so government healthcare just gets progressively worse
644869;1398526413;fluffypony;lol
644870;1398526422;decimation;they would probably go willingly if you paid their visa and airfare to somewhere civilized
644871;1398526433;mircea_popescu;decimation no, because they're too stupid to figure it out.
644872;1398526441;mircea_popescu;gotta buy them from the tribe chieftain.
644873;1398526444;decimation;true; those with that gumption are already gone
644874;1398526445;mircea_popescu;easier, faster, less gab.
644875;1398526482;fluffypony;it's gotten better - the BEE rules have relaxed, and black people have received the same education as whites since the mid 1990s when Model C schools became the norm
644876;1398526484;mircea_popescu;the only reason this isn't happening right now is that, of course, a nude teenager is not worth money, generally speaking.
644877;1398526492;fluffypony;(mixed black/white/coloured etc.)
644878;1398526509;fluffypony;so I think the over-correction is normalising
644879;1398526515;mircea_popescu;fluffypony well so maybe in another... 20-30 years ? things even out
644880;1398526521;fluffypony;and we're actually starting to see expats slowly move back into the country
644881;1398526529;fluffypony;yeah pretty much, 20-30 years and things will even out a lot
644882;1398526536;fluffypony;assuming they don't fuck it all up in the interim
644883;1398526593;mircea_popescu;you ever seen disgrace, btw ? the movie.
644884;1398526616;fluffypony;yes - the book is also excellent
644885;1398526713;mircea_popescu;how accurate would you say the backdrop is ?
644886;1398526832;fluffypony;pretty accurate - the farm violence stuff exists, but it's not racially motivated, it's normally just poverty and opportunistic (farmers rarely have alarms and so on)
644887;1398526836;bounce;heh. you should like a saudi arabia of suckers. high quality chumpatron at state level.
644888;1398526868;decimation;re: black fat cats in SA: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/10510455/Nelson-Mandela-memorial-interpreter-was-a-fake.html
644889;1398526872;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00094751 = 21.319 BTC [+] {2} 
644890;1398526872;bounce;farmers typically kept dogs (or geese) for alarm bells
644891;1398526879;decimation;my favorite SA movie: Zulu
644892;1398526920;fluffypony;bounce: yep, but when you've got 20 guys who are poverty-stricken, desperate, and armed...well...
644893;1398526928;fluffypony;by the time the police arrive it's all over
644894;1398527091;bounce;hypothetically speaking, suppose you're hungry and poor, but you have the knowledge. how hard is it to actually start a farm (first small, then decent-sized) legally?
644895;1398527141;fluffypony;bounce: the government has been pushing HARD in that space
644896;1398527150;fluffypony;what they're doing is buying arable land from farmers
644897;1398527157;fluffypony;at more than it's worth (so the farmers don't get screwed)
644898;1398527165;fluffypony;then they portion it up
644899;1398527184;fluffypony;and give it to small farmers that have already demonstrated they can farm sustainably, at least for themselves
644900;1398527195;fluffypony;and they give them a ton of education on farm management etc.
644901;1398527217;fluffypony;plus a lot of the supermarket chains are getting into that whole "support the small farmer" thing and buying from those guys
644902;1398527281;fluffypony;the problem is that a lot of the poor in urban areas just beg at robots
644903;1398527290;fluffypony;sorry traffic lights, we call them robots
644904;1398527324;fluffypony;or they "watch your car" in mall parking lots and expect a few Rand when you're done
644905;1398527334;mircea_popescu;<bounce> hypothetically speaking, suppose you're hungry and poor, but you have the knowledge <<< it's not the knowledge. it's the attitude.
644906;1398527344;mircea_popescu;look at all the fuckwits starting "bitcoin businesses", a la danny
644907;1398527360;fluffypony;and because they make decent money begging, why bother doing anything that takes actual effort?
644908;1398527364;mircea_popescu;they think they know shit, is the problem, and they don't see why they should put inb the hard work of reading the logs for a year.
644909;1398527369;mircea_popescu;exactly.
644910;1398527424;decimation;well, and their government doesn't exactly work hard to dibuse them of the notion that they need to depend on them for handouts
644911;1398527426;mircea_popescu;and if you do what romania did with the displaced farm youth / urban poor youth
644912;1398527432;mircea_popescu;ie, send them to work camps
644913;1398527438;mircea_popescu;it'll look a little nazi in sa.
644914;1398527467;fluffypony;decimation: yes - politicians *PROMISED* them free housing, free cars, free education, free healthcare, so when they don't get it they complain that the politicians are going back on their promise
644915;1398527481;kakobrekla;logs arent the magic cure
644916;1398527492;mircea_popescu;i bet you they are.
644917;1398527493;fluffypony;and to be fair, I understand why they promised those things - they were out of reach because of Apartheid, and the politicians wanted to correct that
644918;1398527509;mircea_popescu;i will go as far as to say that no person that has spent one year diligently (4hrs/day) reading this logs can be stupid.
644919;1398527512;kakobrekla;xapo.
644920;1398527514;kakobrekla;now pay up
644921;1398527519;fluffypony;lawl xapo
644922;1398527523;mircea_popescu;in fact, no WC in the world would be as close.
644923;1398527527;mircea_popescu;ooops i mean vc.
644924;1398527534;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla how does xapo disprove anything ?
644925;1398527577;kakobrekla;im pretty sure i dont have to explain it.
644926;1398527603;mircea_popescu;is your thesis that wences has been reading the logs or what ?
644927;1398527638;kakobrekla;more or less
644928;1398527652;kakobrekla;befre he left ofc
644929;1398527662;mircea_popescu;;;seen wences
644930;1398527663;gribble;wences was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 45 weeks, 0 days, 15 hours, 18 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <wences> mircea, are you here?
644931;1398527676;mircea_popescu;1 year ago this chan was not 1 year old.
644932;1398527697;mircea_popescu;he was here for a little bit, but it was weeks really iirc.
644933;1398527709;kakobrekla;so you are saying like one should read the new testament and not the old :D
644934;1398527717;bounce;"gaining IQ by reading", huh. magic!
644935;1398527723;mircea_popescu;all this aside : the guy made lemon and sold it out. then is making xapo
644936;1398527726;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
644937;1398527731;mircea_popescu;this does not compare to your average bitcoin stupid in any sense.
644938;1398527747;mircea_popescu;bounce it's a fact. there's 30 to 35 iq points buried in there.
644939;1398527760;kakobrekla;myea arite
644940;1398527767;bounce;anyway, the "hypothetically speaking" was there to say I wanted to know whether there were any real obstacles for those willing -- that many aren't willing we already know.
644941;1398527770;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/04EQtM6.gif
644942;1398527789;bounce;(don't be too smart reading this magic text, you might go off the scale!)
644943;1398527794;*;fluffypony ponders
644944;1398527806;mircea_popescu;bounce it just tapers out
644945;1398527822;bounce;that thing with the land giveaway, worked well enough for those in the program then?
644946;1398527852;fluffypony;bounce: yes, there have been some instances of burn-out where the guys had one crop, sold it, got drunk and forgot to do anything else
644947;1398527863;mircea_popescu;epic
644948;1398527878;fluffypony;but generally speaking it's working ok
644949;1398527893;fluffypony;but those guys that want to work hard are the minority
644950;1398527919;mircea_popescu;your words shock me.
644951;1398527956;fluffypony;I know, it's surprising, you'd expect everyone to want to work hard in the Land of Handouts
644952;1398527997;mircea_popescu;in my experience it's usually the women that want to work hard
644953;1398528002;mircea_popescu;with the men wanting to talk loudly.
644954;1398528006;fluffypony;very true
644955;1398528017;bounce;to the point that it's /not done/ among certain kinds of "socialists" to mention handouts-a-go-go doesn't always work (the /ruling/ kind of socialists, often enough *sigh*)
644956;1398528021;fluffypony;lots of families where the wife is a maid, and the husband does nothing
644957;1398528031;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.60965290 BTC to 7`243 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
644958;1398528206;mircea_popescu;this is historically and geographically stable, too. i have writings from 1880s romania describing the exact same problem
644959;1398528267;ThickAsThieves;<+bounce> somebody cook up a "not affiliated with the bitcoin foundation at all"-banner, just to show how supportive you are of that bunch  /// check out my new footer logo! http://devilsadvocate.biz/
644960;1398528356;fluffypony;lol
644961;1398528519;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.503 BTC [+]
644962;1398528624;bounce;:)
644963;1398528650;fluffypony;benkay: werd
644964;1398528702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]
644965;1398528752;decimation;re: democracy encouraging laziness:  http://www.american.com/archive/2012/august/americas-crisis-of-political-legitimacy "
644966;1398528758;decimation;In response to the question of whether the current government has the consent of the governed, only 22 percent of likely voters say ?yes.? The partisan divide is marked; Democrats split evenly, but only 8 percent of Republicans say yes. These are scary numbers, particularly when one considers that many of the ?no consent? Democrats are probably on the left, denying the legitimacy of a government that does not do more for them.
644967;1398528814;benkay;what's that, fluffypony ?
644968;1398528842;fluffypony;benkay: it's like word but with an e
644969;1398528843;fluffypony;:-P
644970;1398528929;benkay;i'm entirely competent with the slang, fluffypony, it's the meaning and significance that's escaping me.
644971;1398528941;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu of course i meant comprised thank you
644972;1398528942;gribble;The operation succeeded.
644973;1398528987;fluffypony;benkay: seemed more fun than saying hi :)
644974;1398528990;benkay;that man reads far too closely
644975;1398529060;ThickAsThieves;i saw it too, but i was on my tablet hald asleep so didnt warn you ;)
644976;1398529071;ThickAsThieves;half*
644977;1398529180;jurov;you sleep on your tablet?
644978;1398529204;kakobrekla;its actually a book
644979;1398529229;jurov;yes i saw..not very good pillow either
644980;1398529259;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu <mircea_popescu> that then makes two for you eh ? << i've only outright killed the one.
644981;1398529260;gribble;The operation succeeded.
644982;1398529270;kakobrekla;meh, nothing to read on the forum
644983;1398529286;ThickAsThieves;i broke the book cover btw
644984;1398529311;ThickAsThieves;dropped it off a chair and now a piece chipped off
644985;1398529318;kakobrekla;im out of excuses not to do work nao
644986;1398529376;kakobrekla;yes ascii i already read your blog on monday. the whole.
644987;1398529617;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
644988;1398529646;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves leave a sauce ion the trilema article too ?
644989;1398529723;ThickAsThieves;ah what now?
644990;1398529735;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/anti-bitcoin-foundation-banners/#comment-99332
644991;1398529736;ozbot;Anti Bitcoin Foundation banners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
644992;1398529745;ThickAsThieves;ah
644993;1398529750;mircea_popescu;put a link to your banner in comment section
644994;1398529757;mircea_popescu;open source hatebanner resoruce.
644995;1398529784;ThickAsThieves;done
644996;1398529835;mircea_popescu;why ty.
644997;1398529841;ThickAsThieves;no ty
644998;1398529864;ThickAsThieves;yknow reading your slave article made me realize i was a bit depressed over the matter
644999;1398529872;ThickAsThieves;not your fault
645000;1398529876;ThickAsThieves;just sayin
645001;1398529911;mircea_popescu;i make it my job to bother people exactly in this manner.
645002;1398529930;mircea_popescu;if you can live with it you can, if not you'll do something about it, but in no case can it be that you just... never knew.
645003;1398529964;thestringpuller;oh nice anti-bitcoin foundation
645004;1398529977;ThickAsThieves;it's a big problem
645005;1398529990;ThickAsThieves;not just something that can be resolved in a moment
645006;1398530014;mircea_popescu;clearly.
645007;1398530033;mircea_popescu;and for most people... Too Big To Solve.
645008;1398530056;ThickAsThieves;well that's just it, it's like deciding to get a sex change or some shit
645009;1398530074;mircea_popescu;an apt analogy huh.
645010;1398530077;mircea_popescu;yeah, it is.
645011;1398530099;ThickAsThieves;yep exactly like it on so many levels
645012;1398530139;thestringpuller;except moving from your home doesn't you know isn't irreversible
645013;1398530148;thestringpuller;-doesn't*
645014;1398530151;ThickAsThieves;well you can split hairs
645015;1398530170;ThickAsThieves;but it really is upheaval, expense, it affects everyone you care about
645016;1398530171;ThickAsThieves;etc
645017;1398530197;decimation;the time away from home is irretrievable
645018;1398530209;ThickAsThieves;and if you do it right, it is not reversible
645019;1398530212;thestringpuller;ThickAsThieves: you got kids
645020;1398530213;thestringpuller;?*
645021;1398530231;ThickAsThieves;not yet
645022;1398530239;ThickAsThieves;also a factor though
645023;1398530253;thestringpuller;then how deep can your roots really go?
645024;1398530260;thestringpuller;also why not spread seeds everywhere
645025;1398530266;thestringpuller;own property international...
645026;1398530274;ThickAsThieves;well i have a wife, and we each have families
645027;1398530280;decimation;USG is not a fan of international property ownership
645028;1398530286;ThickAsThieves;we have properties, businesses, careers
645029;1398530308;ThickAsThieves;fuck, even have cats is an issue
645030;1398530314;ThickAsThieves;having
645031;1398530325;decimation;http://www.irs.gov/uac/Newsroom/IRS-Reminds-Those-with-Foreign-Assets-of-U.S.-Tax-Obligations
645032;1398530325;thestringpuller;"Perhaps if this had happened 10 years earlier."
645033;1398530326;ozbot;IRS Reminds Those with Foreign Assets of U.S. Tax Obligations
645034;1398530330;thestringpuller;I what this sounds like.
645035;1398530339;thestringpuller;Is*
645036;1398530354;decimation;corporations can be international though; that's cool
645037;1398530358;ThickAsThieves;if i were single i'd be leaving already, sure
645038;1398530358;bounce;man, those are some ugly banners. like fluffypony's take though, classy and shit.
645039;1398530365;ThickAsThieves;that was 8 years ago
645040;1398530368;ThickAsThieves;so sure
645041;1398530376;ThickAsThieves;but 8 years ago i had nothing
645042;1398530381;ThickAsThieves;a Jeep and a dream
645043;1398530443;ThickAsThieves;8 years ago i had already just left my home state
645044;1398530449;ThickAsThieves;10*
645045;1398530470;fluffypony;bounce: I'm waiting to see one in the wild ;)
645046;1398530584;ThickAsThieves;lol i didnt even see the BTC Foundation article
645047;1398530588;thestringpuller;ThickAsThieves: so you when does TaTI go international?
645048;1398530594;ThickAsThieves;those are some horrible banners indeed!
645049;1398530595;thestringpuller;damn I can't type today
645050;1398530613;ThickAsThieves;thestringpuller, what you seem to have missed,
645051;1398530622;ThickAsThieves;is that TATI does not and cannot exist
645052;1398530650;fluffypony;oh tomorrow is Freedom Day here (celebrates the abolishment of Apartheid), here's a fun read on what made Apartheid crazy - http://mg.co.za/article/2014-04-26-20-bizarre-apartheid-moments
645053;1398530666;thestringpuller;Just because something does not and cannot exist, does not mean that it doesn't need to exist.
645054;1398530689;thestringpuller;You are merely a NOC agent in Bitcoin's war on fiat.
645055;1398530738;ThickAsThieves;your logic escapes me a bit, but i guess i get the gist
645056;1398530850;thestringpuller;It's akin to being a spy in war time no? You technically can't exist, as a spy, thus you parade around like a normal individual.
645057;1398530885;thestringpuller;Your mission is necessary despite whether or not it is officially condoned...
645058;1398530911;ThickAsThieves;i think youve abstracted all application out of the topic
645059;1398530960;fluffypony;"The security and happiness of all minority groups in South Africa depend on the Afrikaner. Whether they are English- or German- or Portuguese- or Italian-speaking, or even Jewish-speaking, makes no difference.�
645060;1398530971;fluffypony;- PW Botha, then prime minister, in Parliament, 1981
645061;1398531009;thestringpuller;how so?
645062;1398531040;HeySteve;fluffypony, I think this freedom / unfreedom thing is a false dichotomy. it's more like there are degrees of freedom and the balance shifted
645063;1398531153;fluffypony;HeySteve: yeah, but celebrating a "freedom day" to commemorate the shifting of governmental power is a tradition all over the world - the 'Murkans have Independence Day, for eg.
645064;1398531404;HeySteve;fluffypony, sure, there's a difference here though in that the ANC tries to keep debate focused on these kinds of liberation narratives to justify its rule
645065;1398531416;HeySteve;it wasn't total unfreedom previously, that would imply slavery
645066;1398531614;fluffypony;HeySteve: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_laws <- I think that alone, which was only repealed in 1986, qualifies as such a severe restriction of freedom that it would not be untoward to say that the abolishment of Apartheid brought freedom to certain groups
645067;1398531679;fluffypony;as you said - freedom is not absolute, but there are enough extremes on both sides that they can be described as having achieved a state of relative freedom from 1994
645068;1398531734;bounce;and now, of course, with the advent of schengen and the resulting wonderful open borders, you're required to always be able to produce identity papers on demand in various countries in europe
645069;1398531745;HeySteve;ok certainly pass laws and other stuff was very restrictive. but in the context of electoral politics, this strikes me a bit like Democrats winning in USA then instituting National Freedom from Bush Day
645070;1398531780;HeySteve;it's not the same as the country becoming independent, it's a holiday about the victory of one faction over another which is used to bolster support for the current ruling party
645071;1398531836;fluffypony;sure, everything can be politicised or used to achieve politically motivated ends
645072;1398531864;HeySteve;yeah. I would like to see Service Delivery Day instead is all :P
645073;1398531871;fluffypony;lol
645074;1398531935;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
645075;1398532393;HeySteve;here's that F2F contract thing I mentioned earlier: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/one-simple-trick-secure-face-to-face-bitcoin-trades/2014/04/26
645076;1398532457;mircea_popescu;<bounce> man, those are some ugly banners. like fluffypony's take though, classy and shit. << aww!
645077;1398532504;HeySteve;I mention bitcoin-assets in there as a good place to test ideas and such
645078;1398532557;mircea_popescu;jewish speaking ? he means idish or hebrew ?
645079;1398532578;bounce;"jewish", you heard the man
645080;1398532615;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I don't think he knew the difference
645081;1398532616;mircea_popescu;<bounce> and now, of course, with the advent of schengen and the resulting wonderful open borders, you're required to always be able to produce identity papers on demand in various countries in europe <<< this was a) never false and b) not currently true.
645082;1398532626;bounce;previously it was educated yet stupid white men doing stupid things. now, well, undereducated black people doing stupid things?
645083;1398532635;fluffypony;bounce: spot on
645084;1398532724;mircea_popescu;fundnation lol.
645085;1398532742;mircea_popescu;moar like fudge-ation
645086;1398532795;mircea_popescu;"Before the 1950s, this legislation largely applied to African men, and attempts to apply it to women in the 1910s and 1950s were met with significant protests. "
645087;1398532810;mircea_popescu;i think this is actually quite brilliant. make it illegal to have a mob[ile vulgus]
645088;1398532830;bounce;before 1914 you could travel all of europe without much of any papers. now, you can be locally born and raised yet get thrown in alien detention for not carrying papers. I'd say it's currently true.
645089;1398532834;mircea_popescu;co
645090;1398532848;mircea_popescu;communist romania had similar regulations. you couldn't just herpy-derp settle in town cause you felt like it.
645091;1398532859;mircea_popescu;bounce that's not factually true.
645092;1398532862;mircea_popescu;before 1914 when?
645093;1398532864;bounce;it's happened
645094;1398532883;mircea_popescu;before 1914 ie in the middle ages you could only travel if you were a journeyman, or in the service of a noble.
645095;1398532884;mircea_popescu;period.
645096;1398532896;mircea_popescu;before 1914 ie, after 1800, you could travel if you had a passeport.
645097;1398532902;mircea_popescu;somewhat laxer, but still.
645098;1398532938;mircea_popescu;otherwise, papers were always to be produced on demand, ever since la terreur.
645099;1398533069;mircea_popescu;!up jcorgan
645100;1398533069;assbot;Voicing jcorgan for 30 minutes.
645101;1398533338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12491 @ 0.00095118 = 11.8812 BTC [+] {2} 
645102;1398533338;mircea_popescu;soo cex.io is doing this blogger.com spamblogs thing
645103;1398533455;ThickAsThieves;https://us-amazon.icims.com/jobs/260282/sr.-software-engineer---master-mint-diecaster%2c-amazon-coins/job?mobile=false&width=894&height=1200&bga=true&needsRedirect=false
645104;1398533466;ThickAsThieves;"If the crazy ride and popularity of Bitcoin makes you cackle like a mad-scientist, this is the place for you. "
645105;1398533489;ThickAsThieves;Preferred Qualifications
645106;1398533495;ThickAsThieves;Experience with web development (e.g. HTML, CSS, JS, jQuery, AJAX)
645107;1398533499;ThickAsThieves;:)
645108;1398533509;mircea_popescu;http://www.d90d.co/images/20643-gianna-michaels.gif
645109;1398533528;fluffypony;"Unlike some of those other "currencies" out there, we are backed up by and have access to the customer trust and fortitude of the world's largest online retailer. "
645110;1398533545;fluffypony;well gee, Amazon, way to alienate some of your target demo
645111;1398533589;ThickAsThieves;"We are excited by the challenging problems we face building a brand new concept of money and we are always thinking about how to redefine the way people think about the cheddar."
645112;1398533607;ThickAsThieves;or, "We're feeling kinda fucked here, help!"
645113;1398533613;mircea_popescu;"650+ Search engine unique traffics by Google/Facebook/Twitter/Youtube/... for $1"
645114;1398533649;mircea_popescu;some guy on twitter, " The amount of web traffic that is driven to those site links are the equivalent of Gold to these companies. In a digital world SEO is king. On top of this, the CoinDesk price index is what the foundation uses to charge it’s members and is generally accepted as the price by mainstream media."
645115;1398533666;mircea_popescu;yeah, totally. traffic is king.
645116;1398533671;ThickAsThieves;lol
645117;1398533682;mircea_popescu;http://cexiomineritulfaraaparatura.blogspot.ro/ << i got 90 hits from this page past 24 hours.
645118;1398533687;mircea_popescu;no link to trilema anywhere.
645119;1398533692;mircea_popescu;very king.
645120;1398533715;mircea_popescu;http://castigabitcoin.blogspot.com/ << same deal.
645121;1398533716;ozbot;Castiga Bitcoin fara sa cumperi aparatura fara sa folosesti calculatorul
645122;1398533731;ThickAsThieves;it has that nice SEO speak too
645123;1398533733;ThickAsThieves;"About CEX.io Mining for Bitcoin without equipment"
645124;1398533751;mircea_popescu;ayup.
645125;1398533764;mircea_popescu;http://sartorandcompany.com/ < check that out
645126;1398533766;ozbot;Test Payday Loans Online to the Most Effective Approach to Borrow Dollars
645127;1398533784;mircea_popescu;somehow it sent 36 clicks to trilema. how ?
645128;1398533804;mircea_popescu;"buy traffic, set X domain as referer, hope noob webmaster actually links it somewhere"
645129;1398533847;ThickAsThieves;weird, i'd say it was hidden by CSS or someshit, but it aint
645130;1398533853;mircea_popescu;http://clash-of-clans-hack-cheats-cheat.passionsofmyheart.com http://solidcheats.com/boom-beach-hack-tool/ http://solidcheats.com/samurai-siege-hack/ etc.
645131;1398533856;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: I also checked the source
645132;1398533877;mircea_popescu;one of the advantages of trilema : i'm on everyone's spamlist. cause i write about games, about movies, about whores, about money... food, you name it
645133;1398533878;fluffypony;I think it's as mircea_popescu suggests - fake traffic with fake referrers
645134;1398533898;mircea_popescu;those 3 links above claim 14 clicks each. who's right here ? http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/21/that-didnt-take-long/ with 15
645135;1398533901;mircea_popescu;god it must suck.
645136;1398533914;ThickAsThieves;lol
645137;1398533915;mircea_popescu;http://metalgearsolidgroundzeroes.blogspot.com
645138;1398533931;ThickAsThieves;notic eno comments allowed on the preston retort
645139;1398533939;mircea_popescu;http://madlensbrittles.com
645140;1398533946;ThickAsThieves;last word is his!
645141;1398533950;mircea_popescu;check that shit out. it redirects to a ... cloudflare protected domain
645142;1398533968;mircea_popescu;someone "bought" "traffic", got ddosed, got cloudflare.
645143;1398533993;mircea_popescu;http://homeimprovementfinancing.meximas.com
645144;1398534009;mircea_popescu;http://krasotas24.ru/
645145;1398534016;mircea_popescu;ok i gotta stop. but anyway, the idea stands.
645146;1398534035;ThickAsThieves;yeah now you just added all dem links to the log site
645147;1398534058;ThickAsThieves;such SEO
645148;1398534076;mircea_popescu;meh
645149;1398534092;ThickAsThieves;mp, in case yer interested https://www.youtube.com/user/PAULanthonyROMERO
645150;1398534102;ThickAsThieves;your favorite game composer has a youtube
645151;1398534111;ThickAsThieves;dude shreds on piano
645152;1398534113;mircea_popescu;not sure he's my favourite, im too ignorant to know
645153;1398534123;mircea_popescu;but he sure rocks
645154;1398534145;ThickAsThieves;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB2mD77qwew
645155;1398534146;ozbot;Witajcie Poland  Chris Smith's impossible dream of getting me into musical and muscle shape! - YouTu
645156;1398534165;ThickAsThieves;him working out and piano training at once
645157;1398534304;mircea_popescu;Colloquially, passes were often called the dompas, literally meaning the "dumb pass."
645158;1398534314;mircea_popescu;well... that's exactly what they were neh
645159;1398534326;fluffypony;you guys have seen the Reebok and Nike thing, hey? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4c54rCJ_k
645160;1398534510;mircea_popescu;5.    “Jan Smuts airport, in common with the Union’s other ports of land, sea and air, will soon amend its apartheid applications. The words ‘European’ and ‘non-European’ will be replaced by the words ‘Whites’ and ‘Non-Whites’ over appropriate doors and entrances. The reason is that foreigners, particularly Americans, confuse the issue — and the exit — by tending to use doors that seem to distin
645161;1398534511;mircea_popescu;guish them from people who originate from Europe.” — Cape Times, 19
645162;1398534519;mircea_popescu;those pesky muricans ruining perfectly reasonable nonsense!
645163;1398534530;fluffypony;ikr
645164;1398534554;mircea_popescu;7.    “Coloured girls can now work as usherettes in white cinemas — provided they do not look at the screen, Mr John Redman, general manager of Kinekor’s theatre division, told me this week.
645165;1398534565;decimation;Re: US slavery: "At present, the federal government allocates about 25 percent of GDP and states/cities spend another 16 percent. According to some estimates, about 15 percent is controlled by the regulatory system, but this is probably low because it does not reflect the non-regulatory legal system. The conclusion is that at least 60 percent of the nation?s GDP is controlled by governments, and that does not even count the amount of economic
645166;1398534566;decimation;activity that is suppressed because of special interest pressure." (from my link above)
645167;1398534576;mircea_popescu;aww. i was rooting for "provided they remain on their knees, mouth open, left hand around lips
645168;1398534595;fluffypony;lol
645169;1398534619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.501 = 1.002 BTC [-] {2} 
645170;1398534624;mircea_popescu;decimation i'd be surprised if 10% of us gdp is independent atm. it'd be mostly things like that cattle rancher guy.
645171;1398534649;mircea_popescu;‘When we show a film which our non-white girls are not allowed to see, they usher patrons with a torch and watch the floor,’ he said. ‘We discussed the matter with the Department of Labour and I raised this point with them. As a precautionary measure — since non-whites are not allowed to see some films restricted to whites only — we decided that they should not look at the screen.”
645172;1398534653;mircea_popescu;wtf filmns were those i wonder ?
645173;1398534659;mircea_popescu;Sunday Express, 1971
645174;1398534706;fluffypony;no clue
645175;1398534717;mircea_popescu;like what, felini's satyricon ?
645176;1398534735;mircea_popescu;hot summer in the city and assorted sexploitation/blacksploitation flicks ?
645177;1398534744;mircea_popescu;the mack lol.
645178;1398534769;fluffypony;lol
645179;1398534802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00094773 = 27.7211 BTC [-]
645180;1398534829;mircea_popescu;“I never imagined that power would remain forever with the Matanzimas. It’s just that we were the only two with university degrees.”
645181;1398534830;mircea_popescu;lmao
645182;1398534860;mircea_popescu;“At least I’ll be able to kiss Desdemona without leaving a smudge.” — Actor John Kani, the first black man to play Othello in Shakespeare’s play in South Africa
645183;1398534864;mircea_popescu;ahahaha ok this one's great.
645184;1398534893;mircea_popescu;“[An] SABC records committee members, Mr Roelf Jacobs, denied the SABC ‘banned’ songs. ‘We just don’t play them,’ he said.”
645185;1398534908;mircea_popescu;“People have the silly idea that there must be freedom of the press and no repression. They don’t realise that ideas are also a source of evil.”
645186;1398534947;decimation;of course ideas are a source of evil
645187;1398534961;decimation;the trouble is that any bureaucraticly crafted policy to suppress them will likely fail
645188;1398534965;mircea_popescu;ideas are a source of evil in the sense pie is a source of evil.
645189;1398534973;mircea_popescu;the supreme source of all evil is the cunt.
645190;1398534995;decimation;or the germ cells?
645191;1398535039;mircea_popescu;well this is enough history reading for an evening. ima go beat my slaves and smoke a pipe.
645192;1398535049;decimation;lol
645193;1398536083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00095011 = 8.5985 BTC [+]
645194;1398536388;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00095011 = 2.4703 BTC [+]
645195;1398536907;jurov;HeySteve, in the article, can you link to actual log line?
645196;1398536923;jurov;!up xdotcomm_
645197;1398536923;assbot;Voicing xdotcomm_ for 30 minutes.
645198;1398536932;jurov;!up BingoBoingo
645199;1398536932;assbot;Voicing BingoBoingo for 30 minutes.
645200;1398537032;benkay;xdotcomm_ is back?
645201;1398537033;benkay;goodness.
645202;1398537045;xdotcomm_;benkay: yes!
645203;1398537052;xdotcomm_;did u miss me?
645204;1398537056;xdotcomm_;and my socks?
645205;1398537058;benkay;mnope.
645206;1398537060;HeySteve;jurov, I don't know how to link to the line, just the date
645207;1398537073;xdotcomm_;be honest ... i know you did
645208;1398537084;xdotcomm_;you miss the sock puppet show
645209;1398537094;HeySteve;if I can link to a line that's better
645210;1398537104;jurov;HeySteve: #linenumber, when you click in the time, you'll get it
645211;1398537110;HeySteve;ok thx I will try
645212;1398537112;jurov;the time in the start of every line
645213;1398537120;HeySteve;ah ha
645214;1398537227;HeySteve;right I updated it
645215;1398537730;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06922716 = 0.3461 BTC [+] {2} 
645216;1398538218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00095043 = 6.1778 BTC [+]
645217;1398538279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 460 @ 0.00084997 = 0.391 BTC [-] {4} 
645218;1398538340;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 440 @ 0.00084342 = 0.3711 BTC [-] {4} 
645219;1398538479;jurov;!up dignork
645220;1398538479;assbot;Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.
645221;1398538484;jurov;!up nubbins`
645222;1398538484;assbot;Voicing nubbins` for 30 minutes.
645223;1398538561;artifexd;ThickAsThieves: Thanks for the kind words on your blog. Much appreciated.
645224;1398539682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0685 = 0.137 BTC [-]
645225;1398539743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [+] {2} 
645226;1398541099;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/2wuBhnU.jpg?1
645227;1398541390;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0413034 = 0.1239 BTC [+] {3} 
645228;1398541634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7912 @ 0.00095043 = 7.5198 BTC [+]
645229;1398542143;moiety;lolol fluffypony
645230;1398542150;moiety;http://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2014/apr/25/tony-blair-cassetteboy-video-mashup-bloomberg-speech amyone seen this?
645231;1398542154;moiety;anyone*
645232;1398542549;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03429 = 0.1715 BTC [+] {2} 
645233;1398542550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0412 = 0.206 BTC [-] {2} 
645234;1398542551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-] {2} 
645235;1398542915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6878 @ 0.00095031 = 6.5362 BTC [-] {2} 
645236;1398543032;fluffypony;!up prestonbanks
645237;1398543032;assbot;Voicing prestonbanks for 30 minutes.
645238;1398543044;fluffypony;sup prestonbanks
645239;1398543109;prestonbanks;sup fluffypony
645240;1398543118;prestonbanks;just read bitcoinpete's blog
645241;1398543122;fluffypony;two glasses of wine down, nom
645242;1398543125;prestonbanks;now im here
645243;1398543151;fluffypony;oic
645244;1398543153;fluffypony;which article?
645245;1398543202;prestonbanks;a lot of them
645246;1398543210;prestonbanks;going from one reference to the next
645247;1398543221;benkay;prestonbanks of fincen?
645248;1398543251;fluffypony;!seen bitcoinpete
645249;1398543254;prestonbanks;nope
645250;1398543256;fluffypony;;;seen bitcoinpete
645251;1398543257;gribble;bitcoinpete was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 3 hours, 7 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <bitcoinpete> jurov: indeed, best of luck!
645252;1398543272;fluffypony;guess bitcoinpete is weekend-ing
645253;1398543293;prestonbanks;how does he dare
645254;1398543294;fluffypony;OH - preston BYRNE is the other dude
645255;1398543298;fluffypony;lawlz
645256;1398543311;fluffypony;I thought you were he
645257;1398543342;prestonbanks;is that why i got voice so quickly?
645258;1398543344;prestonbanks;haha
645259;1398543347;fluffypony;pretty much
645260;1398543350;fluffypony;I got excited
645261;1398543353;kakobrekla;and !down ..
645262;1398543361;prestonbanks;finders keepers
645263;1398543372;fluffypony;prestonbanks: it'll only last for another 25 mins anyway
645264;1398543381;prestonbanks;ah ok
645265;1398543394;prestonbanks;well i actually planned to follow bitcoinpete's advice
645266;1398543407;fluffypony;about not investing in MaidSafe?
645267;1398543407;fluffypony;:-P
645268;1398543416;prestonbanks;"shutting up and learning until you have something intelligent to say"
645269;1398543425;fluffypony;good advice
645270;1398543430;kakobrekla;and get in the wot
645271;1398543436;prestonbanks;avoiding maidsafe like the plague
645272;1398543438;fluffypony;^^
645273;1398543445;fluffypony;do you know how to register your nick?
645274;1398543449;prestonbanks;i heard the letstalkbitcoin interview of maidsafe
645275;1398543461;kakobrekla;ltb is shit.
645276;1398543488;prestonbanks;i will follow the instructions in the subject line to register my nick
645277;1398543491;prestonbanks;thx fluffy
645278;1398543494;fluffypony;prestonbanks: /msg nickserv register password email
645279;1398543503;fluffypony;and then when you connect in future /msg nickserv identify password
645280;1398543504;prestonbanks;ok
645281;1398543509;fluffypony;in terms of the WoT
645282;1398543513;kakobrekla;registering nick != registering in the wot
645283;1398543518;fluffypony;start here: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide
645284;1398543521;ThickAsThieves;prestonbanks are you the guy with the blog that quoted MPEx's stance on the SEC?
645285;1398543533;fluffypony;but you can only register in the WoT after registering your nick
645286;1398543537;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: no, I made the same mistake
645287;1398543542;ThickAsThieves;poo
645288;1398543543;fluffypony;I got super excited
645289;1398543564;kakobrekla;im not sure thats required
645290;1398543567;prestonbanks;i opened pandora's box without knowing
645291;1398543584;fluffypony;kakobrekla: afaik it is, gribble doesn't allow eregister or bcregister without a registered nick
645292;1398543596;benkay;getting into the wot properly is a daylong exercise if you're not a regular gpg user to begin with
645293;1398543615;ThickAsThieves;no suh
645294;1398543620;ThickAsThieves;i learned in like 15min
645295;1398543628;benkay;backed up your master key?
645296;1398543634;prestonbanks;i should probably consider a different nick
645297;1398543637;benkay;made revocation certs?
645298;1398543647;prestonbanks;in case the fincen guy wants in
645299;1398543649;benkay;ThickAsThieves: ^^
645300;1398543655;fluffypony;lawl
645301;1398543656;benkay;tested your restoration process?
645302;1398543661;ThickAsThieves;ah no, i just mean getting it all to work
645303;1398543682;ThickAsThieves;if you wanna get in wot and get permavoice in here it isnt hard
645304;1398543697;ThickAsThieves;that leaves out nickserv auth reg too...
645305;1398543701;benkay;i'm saying setting up the gpg toolchain is a daylong exercise for new gpg users.
645306;1398543711;prestonbanks;tomorrow is a sunday
645307;1398543721;prestonbanks;so it should be doable
645308;1398543735;benkay;and setting up the toolchain should be preceeded by reading the manual, but who reads manuls these days anyways
645309;1398543739;kakobrekla;the notion of days is all wrong.
645310;1398543740;benkay;(fuckers bite, i hear)
645311;1398543775;fluffypony;kakobrekla: I like the structure it gives, but that's just me
645312;1398543890;prestonbanks;i hate those foldable manuals that are as big as a roadmap
645313;1398543940;fluffypony;kakobrekla: just checked, and you're 100% right - I'd misread an earlier issue with someone trying to ;;bcauth and gribble complaining about them not being registered, I thought they were trying to ;;bcregister
645314;1398543992;*;kakobrekla is right even when he is wrong, the usual.
645315;1398544010;fluffypony;of cors
645316;1398544039;prestonbanks;all guys talking now are regulars around here?
645317;1398544076;fluffypony;or in assbot's Level 2 trust
645318;1398544082;fluffypony;which is the only requirement
645319;1398544122;prestonbanks;cool
645320;1398544135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2598 @ 0.00095011 = 2.4684 BTC [-]
645321;1398544138;prestonbanks;i'm sure i'll pick up on the inside jokes over time
645322;1398544140;fluffypony;prestonbanks: benkay has a blog post on the model: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
645323;1398544170;prestonbanks;thx
645324;1398544187;prestonbanks;i'll get to it tonight and tomorrow
645325;1398544211;prestonbanks;now enjoying my remaining minutes of voice
645326;1398544220;prestonbanks;weeeeeee
645327;1398544225;kakobrekla;!down prestonbanks
645328;1398544227;Duffer1;:P
645329;1398544258;Duffer1;!up prestonbanks
645330;1398544258;assbot;Voicing prestonbanks for 30 minutes.
645331;1398544269;prestonbanks;doh!
645332;1398544274;prestonbanks;had that coming
645333;1398544276;prestonbanks;thx duffer
645334;1398544284;Duffer1;:P
645335;1398544302;prestonbanks;kakobrekla is the mean guy of the group
645336;1398544304;prestonbanks;duly noted
645337;1398544338;Duffer1;nah just people messin with you
645338;1398544346;kakobrekla;no, i was serious.
645339;1398544349;kakobrekla;!down prestonbanks
645340;1398544352;kakobrekla;go read up
645341;1398544377;fluffypony;prestonbanks: your time will come, don't forget to register your nick and get in the WoT, cheers!
645342;1398544403;Duffer1;also http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/
645343;1398544442;mod6;huh, didn't know about that page.
645344;1398544469;fluffypony;mod6: much easier than pushing everyone's RSS feed into a reader
645345;1398544542;kakobrekla;mod6 its in the topic you know
645346;1398544557;kakobrekla;also on home of b-a.com
645347;1398544590;fluffypony;kakobrekla: nobody reads the chan topic, apparently
645348;1398544606;kakobrekla;;;topic
645349;1398544607;gribble;http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
645350;1398544611;kakobrekla;fixd.
645351;1398544822;mod6;kakobrekla: ah!
645352;1398544834;*;mod6 wonders how he never looked that up
645353;1398544864;mod6;i guess i just read a lot of these blogs directly. kindof a nice digest tho.
645354;1398545230;*;moiety read manuls, realised it was a typo *disappoint*
645355;1398545233;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06933582 = 0.6934 BTC [+]
645356;1398545294;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00316004 = 0.158 BTC [-] {2} 
645357;1398545355;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03447 = 0.2413 BTC [+] {2} 
645358;1398545356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0412 = 0.2884 BTC [-] {2} 
645359;1398545357;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {2} 
645360;1398545627;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: g'day
645361;1398545659;ThickAsThieves;Open for corrections and omissions http://devilsadvocate.biz/the-denomination-decimal-designation-debate/
645362;1398545660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60303 @ 0.00094681 = 57.0955 BTC [-] {5} 
645363;1398545720;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: You too
645364;1398545761;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: One of my favorite parts of bitcoin is the mystery surrounding the distinction between NCOs and officers of Bitcoin
645365;1398545808;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: I'm EXTREMELY opinionated about that, and I fully agree with your conclusions
645366;1398545855;ThickAsThieves;cool!
645367;1398545917;ThickAsThieves;i dont write much, and as i read my writing it feels very "What I Did Last Summer", so I'm also open to constructive criticisms
645368;1398545930;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: there's a shitload of account software that can't handle more than 2 decimal places, and when you have idiot data captures manually capturing BTC transactions because the company is too cheap to pay a developer for an hour's worth of work, bad stuff happens...that same accounting software has no problem differentiating the US Dollar from the Zimbabwean Dollar and the Japanese Yen, despite their integer values being orders of
645369;1398545930;fluffypony;magnitude different, so the argument is sound
645370;1398545965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7946 @ 0.00094459 = 7.5057 BTC [-] {2} 
645371;1398546009;benkay;not a typo, moiety :)
645372;1398546016;BingoBoingo;!up prestonbanks
645373;1398546016;assbot;Voicing prestonbanks for 30 minutes.
645374;1398546036;BingoBoingo;;;google drinkingrecord GPG guide
645375;1398546037;gribble;PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/>
645376;1398546044;BingoBoingo;^^ prestonbanks
645377;1398546074;prestonbanks;thx
645378;1398546105;BingoBoingo;prestonbanks: The GPG stuff does take a while but registering with nickserv and setting enforce to on is a quick exercise
645379;1398546147;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: in fact, I think I got quite vocal on this thread: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3862 - the proposal was to switch to micro-BTC, but the accounting software idea is the same...unfortunately it was NACK'd because everyone thought it had to do with the exchange rate rather than reading the opening post
645380;1398546174;fluffypony;well not think, I know I did
645381;1398546232;prestonbanks;bingbiongo; i have some experience with registering and using IRC channels so i think that will be no problem as soon as i figured out a new nick
645382;1398546238;danielpbarron;11:51:45 <+mircea_popescu> i will go as far as to say that no person that has spent one year diligently (4hrs/day) reading this logs can be  stupid. << I have been doing exactly that ever since I found this place.
645383;1398546253;prestonbanks;the pgp stuff.. i'll have to read up on that
645384;1398546268;prestonbanks;bookmarked the links you guys gave me
645385;1398546305;prestonbanks;bingoboingo* sorry for butchering your name
645386;1398546323;BingoBoingo;prestonbanks: Cool, just remember some freenode shit is weird and non-standard? Oh, you don't just tab to autocomplete?
645387;1398546366;BingoBoingo;prestonbanks: The most important part of the GPG stuff is the key management practice.
645388;1398546381;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: he's on web chat
645389;1398546393;BingoBoingo;Delete restore and generate new keys prolly no less than 10 times
645390;1398546427;*;BingoBoingo goes backs to watching baseball
645391;1398546453;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0075 = 0.15 BTC [+]
645392;1398546482;benkay;thestringpuller: when is gasenwagen conf?
645393;1398546860;phf;i.. wouldn't recommend going to a gasenwagen conf, not by your own choice anyway
645394;1398547032;benkay;well, the gasenwagen conf is for those scheduled for the gasenwagen but have not yet been picked up
645395;1398547173;phf;ok, glad we're on the same page
645396;1398547237;phf;and there's a proper use of kashchenit terminology going on
645397;1398547354;Duffer1;fluffypony nice banners
645398;1398547362;fluffypony;tks Duffer1
645399;1398547387;fluffypony;I have some ideas for other ones, just too busy to actually do them
645400;1398547467;benkay;kashchenit, phf?
645401;1398547586;ThickAsThieves;https://twitter.com/AdrianChen/status/460164769475866624
645402;1398547587;ozbot;Twitter / AdrianChen: Yes. There will be a live-doxxing ...
645403;1398547638;fluffypony;oh goody
645404;1398547640;fluffypony;another one
645405;1398548031;moiety;benkay: yeah, i have to stop responding as i am reading. i saw the biting bit after. happy weekend btw!
645406;1398548084;benkay;happy weekend to yourself as well
645407;1398548215;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: what game are you watching atm btw?
645408;1398548239;fluffypony;!up BingoBoingo
645409;1398548239;assbot;Voicing BingoBoingo for 30 minutes.
645410;1398548257;BingoBoingo;Cardinals vs. Pirates. Was looking really good until is wasn't
645411;1398548259;benkay;;;gettrust assbot BingoBoingo
645412;1398548259;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013
645413;1398548269;BingoBoingo;On the deck taking a smoke break
645414;1398548276;fluffypony;ah ok
645415;1398548288;BingoBoingo;~5 minutes laptop goes off again
645416;1398548296;fluffypony;on that note, I'm off to bed, night all
645417;1398548342;BingoBoingo;benkay: If this game gets much worse I might self up and hang here a while
645418;1398548409;benkay;come hang out with us, BingoBoingo
645419;1398548422;benkay;i was just throwing the notion of a gasenwagen conf around
645420;1398548448;BingoBoingo;benkay: IRL socially drinking today. Just stepped out for a fag.
645421;1398548466;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06704916 = 6.7049 BTC [-] {19} 
645422;1398548471;BingoBoingo;And headed in...
645423;1398548476;phf;benkay, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaschenism
645424;1398548527;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.06600066 = 1.98 BTC [-] {2} 
645425;1398548528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00094347 = 39.2484 BTC [-] {3} 
645426;1398548588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06933581 = 0.208 BTC [+] {2} 
645427;1398548590;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03250016 = 0.195 BTC [-] {2} 
645428;1398548880;benkay;o wow, phf. that's...news to me.
645429;1398548949;Namworld;Hmm, I'm looking at penalties for late tax filling. Looks like the interest charged is low. Up to a maximum of 50% flat penalty for multiple years of late filling plus 5-6% annual interest on balance.
645430;1398548967;Namworld;So far, over the last few years, anyone with BTC income would have been better off waiting and filling late to avoid having to convert BTC to pay taxes earlier it seems.
645431;1398549015;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06933556 = 0.2773 BTC [+] {3} 
645432;1398549138;bounce;oh, it's wikipedia begging season again
645433;1398549320;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 33 @ 0.00648271 = 0.2139 BTC [-] {9} 
645434;1398549442;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.00135202 = 0.1352 BTC [+]
645435;1398549564;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07525 = 0.1505 BTC [-] {2} 
645436;1398549747;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47926 @ 0.0009426 = 45.175 BTC [-] {5} 
645437;1398549808;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.068001 = 0.136 BTC [-]
645438;1398550174;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0333125 = 0.2665 BTC [+] {3} 
645439;1398550296;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0684818 = 0.4794 BTC [+] {2} 
645440;1398550357;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0685454 = 0.4113 BTC [+]
645441;1398550418;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0685454 = 0.6855 BTC [+]
645442;1398550479;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0335 = 0.134 BTC [+]
645443;1398550481;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0413 = 0.1652 BTC [-]
645444;1398550482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]
645445;1398550540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0335 = 0.201 BTC [+]
645446;1398550541;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04126666 = 0.2476 BTC [-] {3} 
645447;1398550601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]
645448;1398550602;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.033 = 0.198 BTC [-]
645449;1398550603;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04113333 = 0.2468 BTC [-] {2} 
645450;1398550604;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0682 = 0.4092 BTC [-]
645451;1398550662;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
645452;1398550723;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.033 = 0.231 BTC [-] {2} 
645453;1398551394;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04216633 = 0.1265 BTC [+] {3} 
645454;1398551455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03385685 = 0.237 BTC [+] {3} 
645455;1398551577;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0689049 = 0.1378 BTC [+] {2} 
645456;1398551578;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [+]
645457;1398551579;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.034 = 0.17 BTC [+]
645458;1398551638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.0742218 = 1.1133 BTC [-] {2} 
645459;1398551639;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.03363157 = 0.639 BTC [-] {2} 
645460;1398551699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 39 @ 0.03413741 = 1.3314 BTC [+] {5} 
645461;1398551700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.04215384 = 0.548 BTC [-] {2} 
645462;1398551760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
645463;1398551761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04232333 = 0.127 BTC [+] {2} 
645464;1398551821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03449626 = 0.5174 BTC [+] {4} 
645465;1398551822;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0421932 = 0.211 BTC [-] {2} 
645466;1398551823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.0742218 = 0.7422 BTC [-] {2} 
645467;1398551882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03476666 = 0.5215 BTC [+] {3} 
645468;1398551883;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04158499 = 0.2911 BTC [-] {3} 
645469;1398551943;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
645470;1398552919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06700001 = 0.134 BTC [-] {2} 
645471;1398553285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73076 @ 0.00093962 = 68.6637 BTC [-] {4} 
645472;1398553834;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.0742218 = 0.7422 BTC [-]
645473;1398553835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16435 @ 0.00093868 = 15.4272 BTC [-]
645474;1398554383;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-] {2} 
645475;1398554871;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.066 = 0.264 BTC [-]
645476;1398555176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8251 @ 0.00093868 = 7.745 BTC [-]
645477;1398555298;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
645478;1398555359;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06450051 = 0.3225 BTC [-]
645479;1398556030;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 24 @ 0.0742218 = 1.7813 BTC [-]
645480;1398557921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.034 = 0.17 BTC [-] {2} 
645481;1398561825;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.510049 BTC [+]
645482;1398565668;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51046496 BTC [+]
645483;1398568901;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.0353222 = 1.201 BTC [+] {4} 
645484;1398568963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03544 = 0.3544 BTC [+]
645485;1398569023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03544 = 0.2835 BTC [+]
645486;1398569633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17689 @ 0.00094158 = 16.6556 BTC [+]
645487;1398570975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0414998 = 0.2905 BTC [+]
645488;1398571036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06899978 = 0.138 BTC [+]
645489;1398571341;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0689898 = 0.138 BTC [-]
645490;1398571342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00093582 = 25.8754 BTC [-]
645491;1398571585;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.04109087 = 0.452 BTC [-] {2} 
645492;1398571646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5196 BTC [-]
645493;1398571707;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.035 = 0.245 BTC [-]
645494;1398571708;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
645495;1398571829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.035 = 0.105 BTC [-]
645496;1398571830;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
645497;1398576953;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.035 = 0.105 BTC [-]
645498;1398579271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
645499;1398583236;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.00714102 = 0.1428 BTC [-] {2} 
645500;1398583663;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
645501;1398583664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03499 = 0.175 BTC [-]
645502;1398583724;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04031441 = 0.2016 BTC [+]
645503;1398583725;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
645504;1398583785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03499 = 0.175 BTC [-]
645505;1398583786;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04031441 = 0.2016 BTC [+]
645506;1398583907;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
645507;1398584273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03499 = 0.175 BTC [-]
645508;1398584274;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0403187 = 0.2016 BTC [+]
645509;1398588055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
645510;1398588116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04037566 = 0.2019 BTC [-]
645511;1398588117;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03499 = 0.175 BTC [-]
645512;1398588177;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
645513;1398588238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04037566 = 0.1211 BTC [-]
645514;1398588239;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03499 = 0.105 BTC [-]
645515;1398588848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00093491 = 11.1254 BTC [-] {2} 
645516;1398589031;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
645517;1398590495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12455 @ 0.00094027 = 11.7111 BTC [+] {2} 
645518;1398592081;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06899646 = 0.207 BTC [+] {2} 
645519;1398592569;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.0742218 = 0.7422 BTC [-]
645520;1398592630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04037566 = 0.4038 BTC [+]
645521;1398592631;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03498998 = 0.3499 BTC [-]
645522;1398592874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25242 @ 0.00094395 = 23.8272 BTC [+] {2} 
645523;1398593301;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03498998 = 0.3149 BTC [-] {3} 
645524;1398593302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.04037555 = 0.3634 BTC [-] {3} 
645525;1398593303;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.0742218 = 0.668 BTC [-] {3} 
645526;1398593304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0045501 = 0.455 BTC [+]
645527;1398593362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 104 @ 0.00444515 = 0.4623 BTC [-] {4} 
645528;1398593365;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
645529;1398593423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03493404 = 0.4192 BTC [-] {4} 
645530;1398593424;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.04012307 = 0.4815 BTC [-] {4} 
645531;1398593425;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.0742218 = 0.8907 BTC [-] {4} 
645532;1398593484;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03492897 = 0.3493 BTC [-] {2} 
645533;1398593485;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04000013 = 0.4 BTC [-] {2} 
645534;1398593486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.0742218 = 0.7422 BTC [-] {2} 
645535;1398593545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03492897 = 0.2445 BTC [-] {2} 
645536;1398593546;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04000011 = 0.28 BTC [-] {2} 
645537;1398593547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {2} 
645538;1398593606;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03492897 = 0.1397 BTC [-] {3} 
645539;1398593607;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04000002 = 0.16 BTC [-] {3} 
645540;1398593608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-] {3} 
645541;1398593667;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03492897 = 0.1397 BTC [-]
645542;1398593668;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04 = 0.16 BTC [-] {2} 
645543;1398593669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
645544;1398595253;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03491409 = 0.3491 BTC [-]
645545;1398595314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03493393 = 0.3493 BTC [+]
645546;1398595558;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03493393 = 0.2445 BTC [+]
645547;1398600866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19480 @ 0.00094404 = 18.3899 BTC [+] {2} 
645548;1398600999;kakobrekla;gtfo my ops
645549;1398601005;Apocalyptic;that's so nice of you
645550;1398601015;kakobrekla;oh sorry i meant good morning
645551;1398601025;kakobrekla;the keys are right next to eachother
645552;1398601311;mircea_popescu;hello kakobrekla, raper of assbots, sleeper of long time.
645553;1398601328;mircea_popescu;!jd mpif
645554;1398601328;assbot;Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.24715198 BTC
645555;1398601447;ThickAsThieves;and then i get another link removed from my chain for being a gambling bookie
645556;1398602087;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/ asciilifeform
645557;1398602088;ozbot;The complexity of life, a triad pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
645558;1398602611;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03543998 = 0.319 BTC [+] {2} 
645559;1398602612;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03908 = 0.3126 BTC [-]
645560;1398602613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5938 BTC [-]
645561;1398602672;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03543998 = 0.2835 BTC [+] {2} 
645562;1398602673;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.039808 = 0.3981 BTC [+] {3} 
645563;1398602674;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5938 BTC [-] {2} 
645564;1398602682;Naphex;morning
645565;1398602733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03543998 = 0.2835 BTC [+]
645566;1398602734;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03999 = 0.3199 BTC [+]
645567;1398602735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.0742218 = 0.9649 BTC [-] {2} 
645568;1398602794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03999 = 0.3199 BTC [+] {2} 
645569;1398602795;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03543998 = 0.2835 BTC [+] {2} 
645570;1398602796;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5938 BTC [-] {2} 
645571;1398602855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.039 = 0.117 BTC [-] {2} 
645572;1398602856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03543998 = 0.1063 BTC [+]
645573;1398602977;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03543998 = 0.1772 BTC [+]
645574;1398603132;moiety;mewning
645575;1398603183;mircea_popescu;hai
645576;1398603189;moiety;o its totally aftermewn here, how did that happen
645577;1398603198;moiety;how are we?
645578;1398603221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03792002 = 0.1138 BTC [-] {2} 
645579;1398603243;mircea_popescu;we are happy!
645580;1398603258;moiety;did you eat?
645581;1398603266;mircea_popescu;i ate
645582;1398603267;moiety;:)
645583;1398603267;mircea_popescu;a manul
645584;1398603280;*;moiety gasps in horror!
645585;1398603314;moiety;a moment silence please - manul down!
645586;1398603371;moiety;is this the root of today's happy? (side note -- i think a manul would taste good, most hard to catch things do)
645587;1398603409;mircea_popescu;nah, carnivores usually taste awful
645588;1398603587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3244 @ 0.00094338 = 3.0603 BTC [-]
645589;1398603733;moiety;i should taste quite nice then
645590;1398603810;mircea_popescu;fluffypony https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmOLwECCcAEgy2X.png:large
645591;1398603814;mircea_popescu;you come out ahead.
645592;1398603830;mircea_popescu;moiety do you get enough exercise ?
645593;1398603836;mircea_popescu;the less you get, the better you taste.
645594;1398603863;moiety;i am small, i feel like exercise might kill me
645595;1398603870;kakobrekla;lol
645596;1398603884;moiety;walking to the kitchen and lifting baking trays is enough
645597;1398603905;Naphex;http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/04/kkk-leader-caught-with-a-black-male-prostitute.html
645598;1398603906;ozbot;KKK Leader Caught With a Black Male Prostitute -- NYMag
645599;1398603959;moiety;also, sometimes, i am marinated in rose. i think this flavours me
645600;1398604043;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlnQsPxCIAAyWUl.png:large
645601;1398604079;mircea_popescu;#bitcoin-assetsa,
645602;1398604089;mircea_popescu;#bitcoin-assets, now welcoming for voraphiles
645603;1398604156;Naphex;:))
645604;1398604209;mircea_popescu;Sterling once said he did not like to rent to Hispanics because they "smoke, drink and just hang around the building," and that "Black tenants smell and attract vermin."
645605;1398604407;mircea_popescu;In December 2010, it was revealed that Sterling had been heckling his own players from his courtside seats, specifically focusing on point guard Baron Davis
645606;1398604411;mircea_popescu;ahaha this guy should have his own show
645607;1398604434;fluffypony;lol
645608;1398605661;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.03543998 = 0.6379 BTC [-]
645609;1398605783;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5000001 = 1 BTC [-] {2} 
645610;1398606128;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/#comment-99355
645611;1398606280;mircea_popescu;answer't
645612;1398606698;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50002 BTC [+]
645613;1398606759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [-]
645614;1398606820;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.491 = 2.455 BTC [-] {3} 
645615;1398607040;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/#comment-99359
645616;1398607041;ozbot;The complexity of life, a triad pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
645617;1398607525;mircea_popescu;answer't again :D
645618;1398607538;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in #blackhatworld on irc.blackhatworld.com :
645619;1398607553;mircea_popescu;ghengis_khan> im good at watching porn
645620;1398607553;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> how do you know this ?
645621;1398607553;mircea_popescu;* jing0 has quit (Ping timeout)
645622;1398607553;mircea_popescu;<ghengis_khan> because ive been doing it for 15 years now
645623;1398607553;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> that's no criteria. obama has been trying to be a president for a while, he still sucks at it.
645624;1398607579;fluffypony;oh bhw
645625;1398607582;fluffypony;lawl
645626;1398607629;fluffypony;ok so now I've gone to look at a bunch of pictures of wasps killing spiders
645627;1398607631;fluffypony;cray cray
645628;1398607670;mircea_popescu;they're pretty cool imo
645629;1398607687;fluffypony;yeah very
645630;1398608162;mircea_popescu;http://bugguide.net/node/view/6763
645631;1398608163;ozbot;Spider Wasp - Entypus unifasciatus - BugGuide.Net
645632;1398608175;mircea_popescu;mine was an entypus too, im pretty sure, but not exactly this one.
645633;1398608261;fluffypony;it's huge
645634;1398608265;fluffypony;(that's what she said)
645635;1398608738;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i sent a chick your way, https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/460424480620552193
645636;1398608741;mircea_popescu;she's hawt, have fun.
645637;1398609009;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: who is this minerpart dude on the phorumz? him and jimothy seem to have personal grudges
645638;1398609016;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06754631 = 0.1351 BTC [-] {2} 
645639;1398609077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00450175 = 0.1351 BTC [+]
645640;1398609089;mircea_popescu;i have no idea
645641;1398609117;fluffypony;this is apparently joke of the week to them: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cei/nicolae-popescu/view
645642;1398609126;mircea_popescu;people no longer have the common fucking decency to self-identify when they're butthurt
645643;1398609139;mircea_popescu;"i'm the boyfriend of that chick you picked up at a traffic stop in 2011 ASSHOLE!11"
645644;1398609245;mircea_popescu;lol fucking spammer mental process. "it's close, only 3 bits of difference!!1"
645645;1398609257;fluffypony;lol
645646;1398609274;mircea_popescu;i guess this sort of scum populating the underbelly of the internet that makes up the redditors and wikipedians and bitcoin forum "investors" and quora experts and seo experts and so on and so forth
645647;1398609279;mircea_popescu;they're the ultimate genetically evolved FPGA
645648;1398609320;fluffypony;don't forget Yahoo! Answers answer-ers
645649;1398609345;mircea_popescu;or yahoo business boards.
645650;1398609350;mircea_popescu;plus livejournal folk
645651;1398609504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
645652;1398610014;ThickAsThieves;another popescu and his friends have some new quantum theory on flow of time
645653;1398610020;mircea_popescu;"A lot more men than women choose to do seemingly irrational things such as become petty criminals, fly homebuilt helicopters, play video games, and keep tropical fish as pets (98 percent of the attendees at the American Cichlid Association convention that I last attended were male). Should we be surprised that it is mostly men who spend 10 years banging their heads against an equation-filled blackboard in hopes of lan
645654;1398610020;mircea_popescu;ding a $35,000/year post-doc job?"
645655;1398610049;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves all counted i would estimate there's between 100k and 500k popescus alive today.
645656;1398610072;ThickAsThieves;forum will be busy at least
645657;1398610078;mircea_popescu;Having been both a student and teacher at MIT, my personal explanation for men going into science is the following: young men strive to achieve high status among their peer group  ; men tend to lack perspective and are unable to step back and ask the question "is this peer group worth impressing?"
645658;1398610123;ThickAsThieves;well, what makes an all-male peer group worth impressing?
645659;1398610129;ThickAsThieves;power?
645660;1398610152;ThickAsThieves;that theory seems flawed
645661;1398610258;mircea_popescu;power, if you seek power, money, if you seek money
645662;1398610276;mircea_popescu;knowledge, social preminence, whatever it is.
645663;1398610283;ThickAsThieves;purpose
645664;1398610294;mircea_popescu;that you can't seek.
645665;1398610318;mircea_popescu;but the entire roman republic, pre empire, can be correctly summarized as a set of benches somewhere, and people vying for position on the best bench.
645666;1398610327;mircea_popescu;all it was was a hs cafeteria, really.
645667;1398610344;mircea_popescu;all that followed followed from this simple principle, a hundred men wanted to sort out who sits where in the forum.
645668;1398610356;mircea_popescu;took seven or so centuries.
645669;1398610389;ThickAsThieves;meanwhile #b-a is hapening
645670;1398610416;mircea_popescu;so it is.
645671;1398610448;ThickAsThieves;so i could live like a king in cape town?
645672;1398610483;mircea_popescu;apparently 1mn buys you 2k sq feet of premium housing there.
645673;1398610572;ThickAsThieves;their winter is summer
645674;1398610574;ThickAsThieves;neat
645675;1398610686;ThickAsThieves;"Cape Town, has the highest concentration of threatened species of any continental area of equivalent size in the world."
645676;1398610813;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: see, all the signs are pointing towards one place
645677;1398610820;fluffypony;well, one general vicinity
645678;1398610928;ThickAsThieves;i dunno i think this luxiry property thing i sskewed
645679;1398610991;fluffypony;well certainly for parts of Cape Town like Camps Bay and Clifton
645680;1398611000;fluffypony;R10 mil ($1 mil-ish) won't even touch sides there
645681;1398611008;fluffypony;maybe a very small apartment with limited sea view
645682;1398611027;fluffypony;and Bishops Court is also crazy expensive
645683;1398611045;fluffypony;but for the most part R10 mil will get you a pretty huge and elaborate place
645684;1398611054;fluffypony;with a fantastic view
645685;1398611128;fluffypony;for eg. http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-houses-flats-for-sale/blouberg/uninterrupted-views/1001118561500910004851009
645686;1398611151;fluffypony;http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-houses-flats-for-sale/parow/the-bishopscourt-of-the-northern-suburbs/1001121944610910002300409
645687;1398611152;ozbot;The "Bishopscourt" of the Northern Suburbs | Parow | Gumtree South Africa | 112194461
645688;1398611154;fluffypony;http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-houses-flats-for-sale/paarl/paarl-an-architectural-tour+de+force/1001121885530910222867109
645689;1398611155;ozbot;PAARL: AN ARCHITECTURAL TOUR-DE-FORCE | Paarl | Gumtree South Africa | 112188553
645690;1398611160;fluffypony;those are all $1 mil
645691;1398611177;fluffypony;and they're all 4-6 bedrooms with views
645692;1398611236;fluffypony;you can even get a 30 acre farm near Cape Point with cottages and farm house for that
645693;1398611279;ThickAsThieves;that last one is pretty neat
645694;1398611299;ThickAsThieves;kinda cramped lookin
645695;1398611304;ThickAsThieves;but interesting stuff
645696;1398611311;fluffypony;yeah it's not my sorta style
645697;1398611335;fluffypony;but still, $1 mil goes a lot further here than the small-ish town my in-laws are in in Germany
645698;1398611354;ThickAsThieves;it seems not too different than where i am
645699;1398611383;ThickAsThieves;you can get get a plain new house for like $180k 2000sqft
645700;1398611404;ThickAsThieves;and then if you have $1m you can look at the nice waterfront stuff
645701;1398611409;fluffypony;I wonder what criteria they used for that list
645702;1398611415;fluffypony;like maybe cities of a certain size?
645703;1398611432;ThickAsThieves;probably which places they sell real estate in ;)
645704;1398611438;fluffypony;lol
645705;1398611550;fluffypony;the wife watches this show called Mieten Kaufen Wohnen where Germans go house hunting
645706;1398611569;fluffypony;every time they have an old retired person who's moving out of Germany they look at houses in Spain or Ibiza or Cape Town
645707;1398611574;ThickAsThieves;my wife watches some of those US versions
645708;1398611583;ThickAsThieves;i cant stand them
645709;1398611586;fluffypony;neither
645710;1398611601;fluffypony;the first few times I watched it it was interesting
645711;1398611607;fluffypony;and then I was like "wtf, all they do is look at houses"
645712;1398611620;ThickAsThieves;and expose the egos of the agents
645713;1398611626;ThickAsThieves;and make fake situations
645714;1398611634;fluffypony;lol
645715;1398611641;fluffypony;if they can engineer some tears they do
645716;1398611727;mircea_popescu;women stuff. it's incomprehensible, but required for a functioning society.
645717;1398611967;Naphex;"You try and do your best for women, but they all just run us down. Bitches" ;]
645718;1398612101;fluffypony;the only exception are the Gazorpian women of Gazorpazorp
645719;1398612167;mircea_popescu;wait what ?!
645720;1398612188;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0394999 = 0.237 BTC [+]
645721;1398612202;fluffypony;http://video.adultswim.com/rick-and-morty/raising-gazorpazorp.html
645722;1398612203;ozbot;Rick and Morty : Raising Gazorpazorp - Adult Swim Gold Episodes
645723;1398612260;fluffypony;magnet:?xt=urn:btih:34184ef12f89fa7ea9ea453dfae16553d51d82a2&dn=Rick+and+Morty+S01E07+Raising+Gazorpazorp+HDTV+x264&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.istole.it%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.ccc.de%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.demonii.com%3A1337
645724;1398612263;fluffypony;if you'd prefer the torrent
645725;1398613981;ThickAsThieves;[11:50] <sipa> in any case, that sort of thing requires.community consensus, not developer attention
645726;1398613981;ThickAsThieves;[11:50] <sipa> especially not developers for one client that is hardly used by end users
645727;1398613981;ThickAsThieves;[11:50] <ThickAsThieves> and more likely implemented in Altcoin (ATC)
645728;1398613981;ThickAsThieves;[11:51] <ThickAsThieves> bitcoin probably approaching the point where "community consensus" = paralyzation
645729;1398613981;ThickAsThieves;[11:52] <sipa> perhaps, but i don't see what we can do about it
645730;1398614445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.70080880 BTC to 7`496 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
645731;1398614872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
645732;1398615252;fluffypony;http://imgur.com/a/PwzZV
645733;1398615253;ozbot;What can fit inside a C-5 Galaxy? - Imgur
645734;1398615299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00094338 = 10.9904 BTC [-]
645735;1398615316;fluffypony;btw if anyone wants a $125k/year job with the US treasury: https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/367808700
645736;1398615330;fluffypony;must have experience with: Emerging payment systems (example: BITCOIN)
645737;1398615443;asciilifeform;fluffypony: http://sochi4live.com/images/stories/078i4203.jpg
645738;1398615446;asciilifeform;russian version.
645739;1398615466;fluffypony;asciilifeform: that's massive
645740;1398615472;asciilifeform;'antonov 225'
645741;1398615494;fluffypony;I was hoping for a submarine inside it as I was scrolling
645742;1398615604;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0353999 = 0.1416 BTC [-]
645743;1398615758;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves what problem is that ?
645744;1398615799;mircea_popescu;fluffypony i guess after my extradition i can STILL make more than the average forum guy.
645745;1398615809;fluffypony;lawl
645746;1398615829;mircea_popescu;so can pirate.
645747;1398615844;fluffypony;wow, Coinbase has 1.2 million customer wallets, that's a goxing waiting to happen
645748;1398615854;mircea_popescu;according to whom ?
645749;1398615875;fluffypony;saw it mentioned on the redditz, but presumably according to them
645750;1398615904;mircea_popescu;jd has 20mn accounts or something.
645751;1398615915;mircea_popescu;same process : every noncookied page load gets one.
645752;1398615919;asciilifeform;so, 'critical mass' of coin opens black hole?
645753;1398615924;fluffypony;I wouldn't be surprised - every time someone buys BTC through them doesn't it create a wallet?
645754;1398615938;fluffypony;so they've had 1.2 million people use them, not unsurprising
645755;1398615947;mircea_popescu;1,2mn different sessions.
645756;1398615958;asciilifeform;reminds me of russian madman v. pelevin's story 'Про�тран�тво Фридмана' ('Friedman-space.') where somebody tests this hypothesis experimentally.
645757;1398615962;mircea_popescu;if you run awstats, that's "visits"
645758;1398615968;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: no you have to create an account to use them, not based on a cookie'd ID
645759;1398615970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4885 = 0.977 BTC [-] {2} 
645760;1398615990;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/ << trilema had 1.5mn readers q1.
645761;1398615991;ozbot;Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
645762;1398615996;fluffypony;I know a bunch of people in the US that think Coinbase is *the* only way to buy Bitcoin
645763;1398616014;fluffypony;they are going to get burnt
645764;1398616015;mircea_popescu;and they own 1.5 btc between themselves ?
645765;1398616033;fluffypony;prolly
645766;1398616059;asciilifeform;i can confirm. a number of people i know in person seem to use it.
645767;1398616108;jurov;Bitcoin Bourse welcomes 3100 International Investors and Traders
645768;1398616115;asciilifeform;tell them about autosnitch, etc. - 'ok, we're condemned, what can we do'
645769;1398616119;jurov;^ got this in everyday's spam from lulzbourse
645770;1398616143;fluffypony;I know some of the OTC/localbitcoins sellers do the sell with GWallet/wire transfer/cash > deposit into bank -> instant buy on CoinBase, rinse/repeat
645771;1398616147;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how very russian.
645772;1398616150;fluffypony;till they get screwed by their buy order being cancelled
645773;1398616158;asciilifeform;these are usians
645774;1398616165;asciilifeform;folks i work with.
645775;1398616181;fluffypony;jurov: "investors" and "traders" :-P
645776;1398616181;mircea_popescu;anyway, going back to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2014#645113
645777;1398616195;mircea_popescu;there's no argbument that the us-based vc-scammers are very good at what they do : faking numbers.
645778;1398616206;asciilifeform;but granted, the psychology is very reminiscent of '90s russia, when it had no formal tax code
645779;1398616217;mircea_popescu;the whatsapp had "users", airbnb is "a success", coindesk is being pumped by gigaom as "relevant" and coindesk has a lot of users and etc.
645780;1398616219;asciilifeform;everyone made his peace with being a candidate for the wagen
645781;1398616224;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, none of this matters in any actual sense.
645782;1398616260;mircea_popescu;i mean i get it, the average us peon thinks oprah is one of the richest people in the history of the world,
645783;1398616264;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: coinbase yo, coindesk is the news site
645784;1398616267;mircea_popescu;and obviously the us one of the richest countries.
645785;1398616271;mircea_popescu;this is fine, but also irrelevant.
645786;1398616281;mircea_popescu;fluffypony they're only different if you're into splitting hairs. otherwise, same people.
645787;1398616291;fluffypony;true
645788;1398616298;asciilifeform;us one of the richest countries << the automobilist term of art is, i believe, 'running on fumes'
645789;1398616307;mircea_popescu;buncha smartasses went wild coupla years ago, made coin*, base, desk, lab, what have you
645790;1398616310;mircea_popescu;figured they're me or some shit.
645791;1398616324;fluffypony;lol asciilifeform
645792;1398616333;fluffypony;"borrowed time" is also relevant
645793;1398616362;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform depending on what measure of wealth you use. but if you consider % of extant gold shipped to capitol, the us is way behind england, rome and pretty much every empire in between
645794;1398616372;mircea_popescu;sort-of on par with the bulgarian empire of 900ad
645795;1398616427;asciilifeform;didn't help... madrid.
645796;1398616432;mircea_popescu;exactly.
645797;1398616453;mircea_popescu;they did the same exact mistake, much higher scale : got all the gold, pestered the jews,
645798;1398616457;mircea_popescu;a century later... gone.
645799;1398616482;mircea_popescu;there are people you do not mess with, or else your head.
645800;1398616515;benkay;teh jooz? :P
645801;1398616524;mircea_popescu;well cca 1500, the jooz.
645802;1398616539;mircea_popescu;spanish/european jooz were the merchant class pretty much.
645803;1398616566;mircea_popescu;principally due to the important benefits one derives from... rootless cosmopolitanism,
645804;1398616578;mircea_popescu;also known as the view that locations have to make you offers, rather than vice-versa.
645805;1398616633;mircea_popescu;kinda why regressive tax is actually the only way for national/polis stability. it acts as a de facto offer.
645806;1398616666;asciilifeform;the folks who flock to 'new! legal!' u.s. btc exchanges, remind me of the ones who buy and smoke the 'legal marijuana substitute' stuff
645807;1398616731;asciilifeform;aka 'bath salt'
645808;1398616756;benkay;asciilifeform: the synthetic thc stuff is not related to bath salts.
645809;1398616762;benkay;or 'bath salts'.
645810;1398616781;asciilifeform;benkay: no actual baths involved. it appears to be the spam brand under which a thousand things are sold.
645811;1398616814;asciilifeform;and, naturally, the 'legal' crap doesn't contain delta-9 or any other thc, said substance being on the ban list
645812;1398616825;benkay;the brand i've been made aware of by a friend who once smoked three pots (!) all at once (!) is 'spyce'
645813;1398616861;benkay;important to note that just because a thing claims to be legal in the states is no guarantee of its legality or quality or anything really.
645814;1398616880;benkay;some claim it does a half-assed job.
645815;1398616880;asciilifeform;i must now confess that this is not a subject that i've any serious direct expertise in
645816;1398616925;asciilifeform;but point being, people who imagine 'hacking the legal system' tend to end up pathetic cases
645817;1398616935;asciilifeform;like the 'sovereign citizen' crackpots mp had an essay about
645818;1398617031;asciilifeform;let's sue the kgb, sure. and don't forget to include a 1700s obscure tort case in argument. etc
645819;1398617302;mircea_popescu;lol
645820;1398617310;mircea_popescu;did anyone actually sue the kgb in soviet russia ?
645821;1398617695;asciilifeform;not as such. but the occasional misfit tried to make some sort of legalistic case, to the laughter of the judges.
645822;1398617709;asciilifeform;in usa, on the other hand!
645823;1398617780;benkay;get me outtttt
645824;1398617814;asciilifeform;'the salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of the drowning.' (russian orthodox proverb)
645825;1398617828;asciilifeform;('�па�ение утопающих дело рук �амих утопающих')
645826;1398618243;benkay;what's wrong with y'all today, logs are mad short.
645827;1398618312;mircea_popescu;i had a something to say
645828;1398618314;mircea_popescu;but i ated it.
645829;1398618346;fluffypony;benkay: assbot died
645830;1398618349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0345001 = 0.345 BTC [-]
645831;1398618350;fluffypony;so logs are cut off
645832;1398618354;mircea_popescu;"all 12 men to have walked on the moon were either eldest or only children"
645833;1398618394;benkay;fluffypony: y'ain't seen me log out yet, eh? my logs ain't the publogs.
645834;1398618422;fluffypony;oh true
645835;1398618509;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: my paternal grandmother is a very traditional, superstitious, short Italian woman (who cooks accordingly). she says my dad was the most successful of her 3 children because "he steal alla of tha calcium from me, he leave none for Daniele and Sonia"
645836;1398618531;mircea_popescu;ha
645837;1398618597;asciilifeform;'successful' -> never needs dental work ?
645838;1398618628;fluffypony;asciilifeform: successful == hasn't married a drunkard and/or hasn't gone to prison
645839;1398618683;ThickAsThieves;<hearn> integrated Tor support in bitcoinj - merged! \o/
645840;1398618705;asciilifeform;lol
645841;1398618711;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: ┗(°0°)┛
645842;1398618765;mircea_popescu;!up Dimsler
645843;1398618765;assbot;Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.
645844;1398618774;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot Dimsler
645845;1398618774;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Dimsler: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Dimsler | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Dimsler | Rated since: Tue Oct 22 13:51:07 2013
645846;1398618785;mircea_popescu;Dimsler : anyone in assbot's l1 trust list.
645847;1398618837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0345 = 0.1725 BTC [-]
645848;1398618845;Dimsler;ohhhh
645849;1398618846;Dimsler;i get it
645850;1398618885;benkay;fluffypony, ThickAsThieves: is there an emoticon for shooting oneself in the head?
645851;1398618898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0340001 = 0.34 BTC [-]
645852;1398618918;ThickAsThieves;i think so
645853;1398618928;fluffypony;I guess this one:    ︻デ┳�ー   (◕_◕)
645854;1398618957;mircea_popescu;nice fn-fal
645855;1398618959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.034 = 0.102 BTC [-]
645856;1398619007;fluffypony;Belgian ascii art is best ascii art
645857;1398619081;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0394999 = 0.632 BTC [+]
645858;1398619142;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06858841 = 0.1372 BTC [+] {2} 
645859;1398619203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0395 = 0.316 BTC [+] {2} 
645860;1398619338;artifexd;asciilifeform: What is autosnitch? google fails to find anything relevant.
645861;1398619451;asciilifeform;artifex: the proverbial 'upload the goods to usg every night' perl script.
645862;1398619553;artifexd;Is that a real thing or a joke on the nsa watching/logging everything?
645863;1398619650;asciilifeform;artifex: ask fuhrer, not me
645864;1398619714;artifexd;Does a gag order require denying such a gag order exists?
645865;1398619720;artifexd;^ IRT http://www.zdnet.com/coinbase-denies-hack-gag-order-says-email-address-leak-poses-little-risk-to-customers-7000027945/
645866;1398619811;mircea_popescu;artifexd it's a real thing. coindesk dumps all its data daily.
645867;1398619823;mircea_popescu;they're also insecure, and have been hacked repeatedly,
645868;1398619846;mircea_popescu;meaning any info you upload to them, such as bank acct numbers, id scans, etc, is now held by the usg and by all the hacker groups.
645869;1398619847;artifexd;What data does coindesk have? Reader's ip addresses? They're a news aggregator.
645870;1398619861;mircea_popescu;artifexd not coindesk, coinfuck the other one.
645871;1398619866;artifexd;aok
645872;1398619869;mircea_popescu;coinbase
645873;1398619886;mircea_popescu;<artifexd> Does a gag order require denying such a gag order exists? << usually.
645874;1398619972;artifexd;I always assume that the usg has always-on access to my bank accounts.  I guess I should start assuming the same with my coinbase activities.
645875;1398620052;jurov;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/17/technology/start-ups-aim-to-conquer-space-market.html?_r=1 someone wrote about launching rpi to space?
645876;1398620054;ozbot;Log In - The New York Times
645877;1398620095;jurov;^try changing into ?r=0
645878;1398620143;artifexd;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/17/technology/start-ups-aim-to-conquer-space-market.html?_r=0
645879;1398620185;jurov;continuously updated space junk ftw
645880;1398620339;jurov;i had an idea (um..okay) of rocket launch that will use energy delivered from groubd via fiber instead of fuel
645881;1398620358;asciilifeform;jurov: classical idea, 'space elevator'
645882;1398620366;asciilifeform;problem is materials strength.
645883;1398620386;jurov;as even hair fiber can carry ridiculous power and shpuld be able to carry 100km of itself
645884;1398620401;asciilifeform;jurov: calculate what 100km of... anything. weighs
645885;1398620402;jurov;could not find if anyone tried that
645886;1398620423;jurov;i did, it was under a kiolgram
645887;1398620453;kakobrekla;isnt spyder silk closest to that
645888;1398620456;asciilifeform;other nuances. calculate electric potential difference between top and bottom.
645889;1398620462;mircea_popescu;;;calc 10**6 * (10**(-3))**2)
645890;1398620463;gribble;Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
645891;1398620467;mircea_popescu;no ?!
645892;1398620469;asciilifeform;'my wire is a dielectric', you say, but to what voltage.
645893;1398620474;mircea_popescu;;;calc 10**6 * ((10**(-3))**2)
645894;1398620474;gribble;1
645895;1398620475;fluffypony;pankkake kicking ass and taking names on the forum today
645896;1398620481;fluffypony;I wonder when he'll forgive us and come back
645897;1398620482;mircea_popescu;that's the volume of 100km of 1mm squared.
645898;1398620485;jurov;glass fiber short circuit???
645899;1398620486;mircea_popescu;not THAT bad
645900;1398620488;kakobrekla;err spiders silk
645901;1398620491;ThickAsThieves;forgive us?
645902;1398620523;asciilifeform;then, wind on cross-section of 1km * 0.1mm (or whatever thickness)
645903;1398620523;jurov;monomode glass fiber has 10um diameter
645904;1398620526;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: he's angry that we spoke about altcoins
645905;1398620531;fluffypony;there was a rage-quit
645906;1398620531;mircea_popescu;fluffypony maybe he makes his own counterempire.
645907;1398620542;mircea_popescu;jurov im aware, just making teh point.
645908;1398620546;fluffypony;lol
645909;1398620558;kakobrekla;fluffypony what was spoken about alts?
645910;1398620565;ThickAsThieves;yeah i'm lost
645911;1398620588;jurov;;;calc 100000*3.14*(0.00001)^2
645912;1398620588;gribble;Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
645913;1398620591;fluffypony;kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2014#644305
645914;1398620593;jurov;;;calc 100000*3.14*(0.00001)**2
645915;1398620593;gribble;3.14e-05
645916;1398620608;jurov;that's about the volume of 100km monomode fiber
645917;1398620614;fluffypony;kakobrekla: the "please…" line was when he rage-quit
645918;1398620622;asciilifeform;then, pesky problem of thrust.
645919;1398620632;ThickAsThieves;nah
645920;1398620640;ThickAsThieves;i doubt he cares THAT much
645921;1398620642;asciilifeform;(ignoring, for a moment, the purpose of suspending 100km of fiber, sans payload)
645922;1398620643;fluffypony;asciilifeform: just use the Web of Thrust
645923;1398620644;ThickAsThieves;plus he was wrong
645924;1398620660;jurov;i don't want to suspend it
645925;1398620678;ThickAsThieves;just the notion of wanting altcoins to die at all says more about the notioner
645926;1398620683;jurov;just use it to deliver large part of energy to blast stuff to orvit
645927;1398620691;jurov;if not all
645928;1398620700;jurov;*orbit
645929;1398620832;benkay;more attainable within our lifetimes, jurov, is the rocket engine that uses ambient oxidizer to mach 5.
645930;1398620875;jurov;i want someone to explain me what is unattainable here, so far did not find anything.
645931;1398620876;mircea_popescu;<ThickAsThieves> i doubt he cares THAT much << i can't imagine either.
645932;1398620922;mircea_popescu;jurov ever calculated the maximum shear force that can occur in a taut fiber of arbitrary length ?
645933;1398620927;mircea_popescu;(if medium goes harmonic)
645934;1398620948;benkay;;;google tacoma narrows video
645935;1398620949;gribble;Tacoma Narrows Bridge Collapse "Gallopin' Gertie" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw>; Tacoma Narrows Bridge (1940) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Narrows_Bridge_(1940)>; HowStuffWorks "Understanding: Tacoma Narrows Bridge": <http://science.howstuffworks.com/29833-understanding-tacoma-narrows-bridge-video.htm>
645936;1398620964;jurov;benkay: it still must carry half of the fuel
645937;1398621014;benkay;effective iSP is much greater than that of tradiitonal rockets, even exotics like RFNO which have been abandoned due to engineering concerns.
645938;1398621053;benkay;bonuses in preheating the h2 by cooling incoming air
645939;1398621056;jurov;mircea_popescu: since the fiber is very light, major factor will be air drag (should be minimal in case first 100km of takeoff is vertical takeoff)
645940;1398621066;benkay;these things stack.
645941;1398621067;jurov;and acceleration
645942;1398621070;mircea_popescu;nono.
645943;1398621075;mircea_popescu;shear.
645944;1398621106;jurov;caused by?
645945;1398621121;mircea_popescu;caused by the medium going harmonic.
645946;1398621142;mircea_popescu;let me tell you a story from my youth.
645947;1398621155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48200001 BTC [-]
645948;1398621176;mircea_popescu;when i was younger i used to fuck this young opera singer chick. she did this trick whereby she'd sing into a glas
645949;1398621181;mircea_popescu;and the glass popped
645950;1398621189;mircea_popescu;great ice breaker at parties.
645951;1398621251;mircea_popescu;at any arbitrary point 100km worth of air can decide to sing traviata into your fiber and there's jack shit you can do about it.
645952;1398621344;jurov;neds to be simulated/computed. but i hope for such thin fiber, the air is viscouous enough so that it will dampen it
645953;1398621359;mircea_popescu;so do the math. calculate the  the maximum shear force that can occur in a taut fiber of arbitrary length ?
645954;1398621368;jurov;like, you can't play guitar with silk threads
645955;1398621369;artifexd;Reduce the quality control on the fiber productions in order to introduce random variations in the fiber thickness and thus harmonic frequencies.
645956;1398621386;mircea_popescu;artifexd this leads you to the problem of the rope. do you know the problem of the rope ?
645957;1398621395;artifexd;No
645958;1398621405;jurov;don't forget the length (and harmonic freq) will change dramamtically over time
645959;1398621409;mircea_popescu;do you know what was the first industrial product, and the one thing that started the industrial revolution ?
645960;1398621419;artifexd;Rope?
645961;1398621422;mircea_popescu;jurov that doesn't help you. air isn't my gf.
645962;1398621428;mircea_popescu;artifexd exactamundo.
645963;1398621454;mircea_popescu;it works like this : the quality of the rope (ie, its uniformity) establishes the longest length of rope that can be operated credibly
645964;1398621458;mircea_popescu;as a % chance it breaks.
645965;1398621460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06638802 = 0.3319 BTC [-] {3} 
645966;1398621475;mircea_popescu;that longest length of rope valueestablishes the largest ship you can build, i nthe age of sail
645967;1398621483;mircea_popescu;and since the ships use cannons, the larger ship always wins.
645968;1398621504;mircea_popescu;and so, for about a century, making better rope was more important for each country than making better ipads is today.
645969;1398621532;mircea_popescu;the first serious capitalist building was... a rope factory.
645970;1398621554;mircea_popescu;so no, making it resistent to harmonics by making it shittier just means it'll be shittier.
645971;1398621613;artifexd;I would think that the minimum diameter (given similar materials) would determine the breaking point, not whether the diameter of this cross section is the same as the cross section 100 ft away.
645972;1398621636;mircea_popescu;but you need to have it random.
645973;1398621650;artifexd;Within limits
645974;1398621655;asciilifeform;the only elevator scheme described to date, afaik, that stands a chance of working, is... 'tower of babel.'
645975;1398621655;mircea_popescu;otherwise your harmonics problem simply reduces to the new limits
645976;1398621667;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform whic is a cone.
645977;1398621672;artifexd;Truly random would mean that at some point the diameter would be 0.
645978;1398621676;jurov;but i insist. make your hair taut
645979;1398621680;jurov;and try to play it
645980;1398621682;artifexd;And in others it would be 100km across.
645981;1398621686;mircea_popescu;jurov arbitrary length.
645982;1398621696;mircea_popescu;that means i pick the length, not you
645983;1398621720;mircea_popescu;artifexd that's excessive, but a cone works well to resolve this problem.
645984;1398621725;mircea_popescu;course, that cone has to have a basis
645985;1398621728;jurov;yes arbitrary length. i'm gertain you have chick to pull it off.
645986;1398621733;asciilifeform;(note what shape the world's talles buildings were prior to structural steel.)
645987;1398621744;jurov;it will *not* oscillate because the air is viscouous and the fiber too light
645988;1398621773;mircea_popescu;the weight of the fiber doesn't really have much to do with it
645989;1398621807;jurov;it does. lightweight fiber gets dampened more than heavier rope
645990;1398621885;jurov;as i computed above, whole fiber will weight only grams.
645991;1398621902;jurov;you are telling me something that has few grams and 100km will be shaking violently in air?
645992;1398621999;asciilifeform;let's imagine unbreakable fiber, spherical horse. what's on the other end?
645993;1398622011;asciilifeform;i.e. how are you to convert the light into usable thrust.
645994;1398622068;jurov;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beam-powered_propulsion
645995;1398622068;ozbot;Beam-powered propulsion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
645996;1398622114;jurov;when you use fiber instead of laser, receiver should be much simpler
645997;1398622178;jurov;and again, i'm not sure the pull stress on fiber will end up so big. fiber is already in use for to communicate with mother ship
645998;1398622186;jurov;*for missiles
645999;1398622192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03849758 = 0.1925 BTC [-] {4} 
646000;1398622230;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/7lioK2H.jpg
646001;1398622235;fluffypony;^^ ITT
646002;1398622278;punkman;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_lake
646003;1398622279;ozbot;Wine lake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
646004;1398622381;mircea_popescu;jurov the weight has very little to do with oscillation.
646005;1398622421;mircea_popescu;the only place where it'd matter would be if the part of wire with high mommentum was lighter than the parts surrounding it. this isn't going to happen.
646006;1398622449;mircea_popescu;missiles are only in air a few seconds.
646007;1398622463;mircea_popescu;and missiles fail at an impressive rate for "no reason".
646008;1398622467;jurov;this will be too
646009;1398622491;jurov;i'm *not* talking about suspended operation
646010;1398622530;mircea_popescu;well then i don't follow.
646011;1398622551;jurov;the fiber is just a means to supply energy to the thruster
646012;1398622564;jurov;after 100km or whatever it will be snapped off
646013;1398622576;jurov;to save fuel
646014;1398622579;mircea_popescu;uh
646015;1398622591;mircea_popescu;you have any idea how slow ion/beam engines move ?
646016;1398622606;benkay;mircea_popescu: it's for superheating a real ejection mass
646017;1398622633;mircea_popescu;...
646018;1398622649;jurov;maybe it can be done in such way it will have enough velocity to switch to ion
646019;1398622652;mircea_popescu;is this some sort of insider joke im not privy to ?
646020;1398622675;mircea_popescu;what the fuck, how many lux are needed to boil a mol of water ?
646021;1398622677;jurov;but even if it can replace only 30% energy that is otherwise needed to get by burning fuel
646022;1398622690;jurov;the saving would be disproportionally big
646023;1398622737;benkay;oh but mp you can do fun things with rectifying the photons and making of the hotness
646024;1398622753;mircea_popescu;well ok, but still!
646025;1398622763;benkay;or if you're doing something like a phased microwave array around the planet, coating the bottom of the vehicle with a microwave rectifier
646026;1398622781;mircea_popescu;eh just make a pokemon drag it.
646027;1398622788;benkay;madness i tell ya
646028;1398622795;mircea_popescu;"fairies did it"
646029;1398622839;jurov;hmm I found 4.0 MW/cm-2 fiber power density
646030;1398622873;mircea_popescu;well your fiber is mircometer.
646031;1398622891;jurov;i see, trying to convert properly
646032;1398622945;mircea_popescu;and that 4mw figure must be some sort of maximal for shorter distances, i can't imagine putting 4mw through 100km of fiber.
646033;1398622972;artifexd;Last ATC trade was at 224 satoshis.  BingoBoingo pushing up the price?
646034;1398622979;jurov;;;calc (4e6*1e6*10000)*(0.00001*0.00001)
646035;1398622979;gribble;Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
646036;1398622985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0382786 = 0.5742 BTC [-] {2} 
646037;1398623019;mike_c;artifexd: nethash is through the roof too.  altcoin is just booming in general.
646038;1398623084;jurov;the result is 4e6 watts? maybe i have an error
646039;1398623335;jurov;i an't making it in foreseeable time anyway. maybe someone does more thorough calc and writes it up for google to find
646040;1398623695;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
646041;1398623696;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 441.54, Best ask: 443.71, Bid-ask spread: 2.17000, Last trade: 443.71, 24 hour volume: 7045.95104117, 24 hour low: 439.05, 24 hour high: 469.58, 24 hour vwap: 452.107413733
646042;1398623733;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/#b45
646043;1398623734;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June
646044;1398623739;mircea_popescu;check out the dice better
646045;1398624083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.0008357 = 0.1671 BTC [-] {2} 
646046;1398624093;ThickAsThieves;btw someone here recommend i watch the Black Mirror, turns out I already saw it, and had been trying to remember it for a while cuz i liked episode 2
646047;1398624351;benkay;Naphex: what's your exchange again?
646048;1398624391;benkay;nm
646049;1398624467;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmP2CYUCAAAgLHr.jpg:large
646050;1398624527;Naphex;;o
646051;1398624529;Naphex;back
646052;1398624929;Naphex;benkay: it's https://www.btcxchange.ro / why - sup?
646053;1398624944;benkay;locals are asking about where to trade these days
646054;1398624972;Naphex;ah
646055;1398624983;benkay;Naphex: any plans for a gpg auth?
646056;1398625028;Naphex;yep
646057;1398625044;Naphex;already started work on implementing gpg otp in the validation server
646058;1398625052;benkay;lurvely
646059;1398625056;Naphex;probably in a few weeks, is going to be up
646060;1398625058;benkay;am i going to have to give you an email as well?
646061;1398625091;Naphex;yeah - email is bound in. but atleast with gpg auth you get rid of verification emails
646062;1398625093;benkay;my ideal login flow is to just provide you a key
646063;1398625137;Naphex;with gpg auth the flow is going to be username/pass -> gpg otp -> logged in
646064;1398625145;Naphex;as well as gpg otp for withdrawals
646065;1398625179;Naphex;registration is just username /password /email
646066;1398625189;Naphex;gpg otp will be set up after in security
646067;1398625277;benkay;i imagine the u/p requirement is baked in pretty hard by your framework?
646068;1398625294;Naphex;not really, just in the frontend
646069;1398625324;Naphex;backend is just uuid / secret + otp choice (default email otp without yubi and soon gpg)
646070;1398625362;Naphex;but its baked in into frontend so .. :p
646071;1398625363;benkay;hmmmmmmm.
646072;1398625541;decimation;why can't you replace the username/password pair with a hash of the public key?
646073;1398625632;Naphex;you can do it yourself if you set up an api key
646074;1398625653;Naphex;but the website is meant too ease up stuff for regular folks
646075;1398625662;Naphex;and some presentation
646076;1398625664;Naphex;https://api.btcxchange.ro/ - api
646077;1398625675;Naphex;you set up an API key and you can just use that
646078;1398625728;benkay;rad
646079;1398625753;Naphex;withdrawals are blocked from the API atm, so withdrawals only from frontend
646080;1398626145;Naphex;OHCL-V Ticker Plant and Payments API+Widgets coming soon
646081;1398626299;Naphex;ohlc even;]
646082;1398626410;decimation;asciilifeform: yeah the AN-225 is neat but only one built I think.  The An-124 is more closely competitive with the C-5: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An-124 (call these guys if you need one http://www.poletairlines.com/)  It would be ideal for porting your submarine from one ocean to another.
646083;1398627499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72159 @ 0.00094597 = 68.2602 BTC [+] {4} 
646084;1398627586;benkay;Naphex: but can I do all my API calls encrypted to your pubkey?
646085;1398627605;benkay;only halfway joking. but srsly, I want an MPEx interface to my exchange.
646086;1398627640;mircea_popescu;mpex everything!
646087;1398627662;jurov;benkay if you really do, i'm having a few serious words with you then
646088;1398627683;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: speaking of, when are we expecting mpif?
646089;1398627693;mircea_popescu;today ? :D
646090;1398627697;fluffypony;bitcoinpete: ¡ ola !
646091;1398627761;bitcoinpete;hey fluffypony
646092;1398627779;bitcoinpete;i saw that i brought in some new blood yesterday :)
646093;1398627784;benkay;jurov: all i mean is that i want to interact with anything btc-related with encrypted messages, and ssl does not count.
646094;1398627851;fluffypony;bitcoinpete: yeah, wd
646095;1398627863;jurov;oh okay. because i got goosebumps that you want it complete with quoted integers, eventually-consistent statements and whatnot
646096;1398627959;jurov;oh and i forgot "you know what you did" balance changes
646097;1398628099;jurov;but since i am not providing api for coinbr, i shall prolly shut up
646098;1398628116;mike_c;not worth the hassle?
646099;1398628132;mircea_popescu;this is haet.
646100;1398628272;jurov;yours truly
646101;1398628308;fluffypony;jurov: you must fix the copyright at the bottom of the site btw
646102;1398628318;fluffypony;needs more 2014
646103;1398628353;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06884761 = 1.377 BTC [+]
646104;1398628414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06884761 = 0.6885 BTC [+]
646105;1398628447;jurov;okay
646106;1398628465;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/bFPBAfM.jpg
646107;1398628475;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 115 @ 0.06884761 = 7.9175 BTC [+]
646108;1398628894;bitcoinpete;http://letstalkbitcoin.com/the-brokenness-of-maidsafe/#.U11iG1za78s
646109;1398628895;ozbot;The Brokenness of MaidSafe | Lets Talk Bitcoin
646110;1398628926;bitcoinpete;adam levine offered to re-publish my article on ltb's blog
646111;1398628979;fluffypony;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/244att/bitcoin_banned_for_alcohol_sales_in_state_of_ohio/
646112;1398628981;ozbot;Bitcoin Banned for Alcohol Sales in State of Ohio : Bitcoin
646113;1398629019;fluffypony;On Friday, the Ohio Department of Public Safety ruled that "Bitcoin cannot be accepted as payment for alcohol in the State of Ohio."
646114;1398629817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18608 @ 0.00094788 = 17.6382 BTC [+]
646115;1398629864;bitcoinpete;nice fluffypony: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/the-brokenness-of-maidsafe/#comment-1358111132
646116;1398629909;fluffypony;bitcoinpete: yeah that dude's a moron
646117;1398629937;bitcoinpete;lol
646118;1398629961;bitcoinpete;it's all about the feelingz
646119;1398629969;bitcoinpete;just like it's all about the words
646120;1398630029;fluffypony;yeah
646121;1398630039;fluffypony;awwww yisss....new vanity address finished
646122;1398630040;fluffypony;1spagniPwKD4Zd8rZvPNFenExLTNb7aai
646123;1398630059;bitcoinpete;sweet
646124;1398630077;bitcoinpete;i sent levine an address and he posted his own address anyways
646125;1398630081;bitcoinpete;like, why ask?
646126;1398630088;fluffypony;lol!
646127;1398630095;fluffypony;"please tip the author...who wasn't me..."
646128;1398630139;bitcoinpete;i swear…ish
646129;1398630259;kakobrekla;yeah jurov  why no api
646130;1398630287;cazalla;bitcoinpete: looks like you might get those ltbcoins afterall
646131;1398630307;bitcoinpete;cazalla: oh fuck me
646132;1398630314;bitcoinpete;i'd rather air miles
646133;1398630338;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/26/exodus-from-egypt/ <<ThickAsThieves benkay asciilifeform and their asylum
646134;1398630340;ozbot;Exodus From Egypt | When Bitcoin Met Pete
646135;1398630702;fluffypony;asseters
646136;1398630704;fluffypony;lol
646137;1398630896;mircea_popescu;shouldn't it be assetteers ?
646138;1398630914;mircea_popescu;maybe our country shall be called Assetteechutts.
646139;1398630917;bitcoinpete;but there's more than 3 of us
646140;1398630944;bitcoinpete;or assabynia
646141;1398630984;bitcoinpete;we're a bunch of molassetters
646142;1398631002;bitcoinpete;http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ <<tempting right now
646143;1398631004;ozbot;BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD
646144;1398631781;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmQG3cbCQAAWCJ8.png:large
646145;1398631795;mircea_popescu;not a bad visual, seeing how little reddit comprehends of numbers
646146;1398632049;benkay;i've always used assettes
646147;1398632051;fluffypony;wow Yahoo's actually marginally profitable still
646148;1398632109;fluffypony;when you look at that visual MS and Apple are the kings in terms of turning a profit, Google to a lesser degree
646149;1398632182;benkay;bitcoinpete u gon make me cry b
646150;1398632245;bitcoinpete;benkay: let them out, it's part of the healing process
646151;1398632326;dub;benkay: you should fix you comments section
646152;1398632397;mircea_popescu;fluffypony incredible huh
646153;1398632428;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yeah it puts stuff into perspective
646154;1398632546;mircea_popescu;http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/internet_troll_personality_study_machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html
646155;1398632547;ozbot;Internet troll personality study: Machiavellianism, narcissism, psychopathy, sadism.
646156;1398632554;mircea_popescu;notice that it's published by the... climate desk.
646157;1398632577;mircea_popescu;ever since the 90s, various pompous idiots du jour have been rehashing thins nonsense about "how bad trolls are".
646158;1398632599;mircea_popescu;an exact mirroring of the infinite hitpoints problem : society strictly exists because of the trolls.
646159;1398632622;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, there's an infinite supply of pompous idiots, and an infinite supply of fecal "consensus" these shitheads readily adhere to.
646160;1398632644;mircea_popescu;so please, everyone with half a brain cell : if you've not trolled someone this week, do so.
646161;1398632663;mircea_popescu;preferably someone with a large ideological support structure : a feminist, a race warrior, something.
646162;1398632669;mircea_popescu;anti-inequality folks work too.
646163;1398632742;fluffypony;I've been trolling bitcointalk hard, does that count?
646164;1398632759;mircea_popescu;sure.
646165;1398632778;dub;tbh by looking at bitcointalk you are being trolled so, no
646166;1398632824;mircea_popescu;it doesn't really matter if he
646167;1398632826;mircea_popescu;s winning or losing
646168;1398632842;mircea_popescu;just as long as he's not "sharing" or w/e bullshit the bovines engage in.
646169;1398633029;dub;i'd suggest by his handle that he'll never get to play ata ll
646170;1398633377;dub;how did gypsycon go anyway?
646171;1398633424;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with his handle ?!
646172;1398633436;mircea_popescu;http://www.msfraud.org/ny-judge-in-largest-bankruptcy-case-in-history-receives-irs-&-sec-whistleblower-filing_4-14.html
646173;1398633437;ozbot;NY Judge in Largest Bankruptcy Case in History Receives IRS & SEC
646174;1398633492;dub;nothing at all, throwin up brony gang signs is perfectly normal, like an anime forum avatar
646175;1398633559;mircea_popescu;so guy's looking like a brony. you figure that hurts ?
646176;1398633613;dub;it doesnt hurt me but it puts him in the same bucket as ukyo
646177;1398633659;mircea_popescu;was Ukyo's wife blonde ?
646178;1398633687;dub;i didnt think it was legal for a 13 y/o tp marry in texas
646179;1398633782;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06767001 = 0.1353 BTC [-] {2} 
646180;1398633795;mircea_popescu;well so then, http://trilema.com/2014/fuck-me-fuck-you/
646181;1398633797;mircea_popescu;different buckets.
646182;1398633892;mircea_popescu;!up bawse
646183;1398633892;assbot;Voicing bawse for 30 minutes.
646184;1398633904;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0349999 = 0.35 BTC [+]
646185;1398633944;dub;a) the gender of that thing is unclear b) looks like a shitty 'your message here' generator things
646186;1398633965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0349999 = 0.35 BTC [+]
646187;1398633986;fluffypony;dub: normal res - http://i.imgur.com/yOY2zMO.jpg
646188;1398634030;dub;that is shopped I can tell by the pixels and etcetc
646189;1398634040;mircea_popescu;dub, is that urmom ?
646190;1398634086;mircea_popescu;and besides, women have dogchins all the time. doesn't mean they're trannies.
646191;1398634153;dub;true and not much room for dick in dem pants
646192;1398634173;dub;I thought of you while in cambodia mp
646193;1398634223;dub;interesting study of the nigger dilemna there, a generation ago all the smart people were removed
646194;1398634238;mircea_popescu;how come ?
646195;1398634254;dub;well pol pot
646196;1398634270;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.035 = 0.105 BTC [+]
646197;1398634277;dub;khmer rouge etc, but they were subjugated long before that and still are
646198;1398634344;mircea_popescu;ah.
646199;1398634345;mircea_popescu;yea.
646200;1398634467;dub;they just don't seem to have any means to improve, under the 'murica way type bullshit sentiment capitalism relies on
646201;1398634479;mircea_popescu;so what do they do
646202;1398634491;dub;they slave
646203;1398634532;mircea_popescu;cool.
646204;1398634548;mircea_popescu;i really have no fucking sympathy for peoples that failed to protect their elites.
646205;1398634551;mircea_popescu;they should slave. forever.
646206;1398634624;dub;one of my guides was a teenage guy with some english, works 7 days a week for a french operated tour for 5 months to pay for 1 month of 1 hour a day of schooling
646207;1398634649;mircea_popescu;cool kid. so did you take him out ?
646208;1398634667;dub;thats almost all of the kids
646209;1398634673;mircea_popescu;so pick one.
646210;1398634687;dub;thats not how it is supposed to work
646211;1398634696;dub;he's supposed to be able to get out right?
646212;1398634730;mircea_popescu;nope.
646213;1398634735;mircea_popescu;not on his own.
646214;1398634740;dub;his parents survived meaning they farm rice
646215;1398634760;dub;probably only enough to sustain their 9 kids
646216;1398634767;mircea_popescu;well yeah.
646217;1398634784;mircea_popescu;his parents failed to die fighting pol pot to protect the cool people of cambodia
646218;1398634795;mircea_popescu;which means their kid now has to depend on random people's charity.
646219;1398634811;mircea_popescu;sucks for him, too, seeing how the random people in a position to be charitable are trained not to be.
646220;1398634836;dub;they probably fought for pol pot, it was a chinese backed communist coup
646221;1398634852;mircea_popescu;so then the kid definitely should not be able to get out.
646222;1398634873;dub;(which the UN and international community continued to back 20 years after the genocide)
646223;1398634898;mircea_popescu;which is why rather than paying tax you'd be better off picking kids off the street in cambodia
646224;1398634958;dub;its not a solution
646225;1398635301;dub;the majority of his peers have inhereted their parents placitude meaning he's isolated, he can't build useful networks or get much help from anyone
646226;1398635413;dub;they also suffer the usual religious crippling with extra helpings of ancient superstition
646227;1398635510;dub;and now their former overlords (frenchies) or western capitalists own all the means of production and basically work the native population to death
646228;1398635611;mircea_popescu;you keep being fixated on this self-made thing.
646229;1398635622;mircea_popescu;that works in a different sort of society, one that's not made out of fuckwits.
646230;1398635631;mircea_popescu;in this kids' case, he'll have to find a master. a good one.
646231;1398635676;dub;the kid was not exceptional
646232;1398635692;mircea_popescu;so ?
646233;1398635722;bitcoinpete;http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-charity/
646234;1398635723;ozbot;Some basic discussion of charity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
646235;1398635749;benkay;dub: what comments section, yo?
646236;1398635759;dub;so, any auxillary factor or guradian angel bullshit aside, they are fucked
646237;1398635827;dub;benkay: ur blawg, i gave you my blog commenting virginity and you snubbed me
646238;1398635840;benkay;comments work, just email it in
646239;1398635843;benkay;what is my email broken too?
646240;1398635852;dub;clearly in several ways
646241;1398635883;dub;it didnt accept smtp at first so I used some remailer
646242;1398636001;benkay;what are you going on about
646243;1398636010;benkay;benkay@gmail.com
646244;1398636016;dub;mp: point is the 'any man can claw his way north' politics that lets most people sleep an night is clearly bunk here
646245;1398636135;benkay;nobody's clawing their way north, speshully in teh us
646246;1398636210;dub;yes google don't grok smtp
646247;1398636221;dub;checed spam maybe? I don't care enough to reauthor
646248;1398636243;dub;it was about why +m is retarded
646249;1398636261;benkay;encrypted tends to make it through uninterdicted
646250;1398636286;benkay;yup right there in spam
646251;1398636318;dub;one way to filter comment spam I guess
646252;1398636586;mircea_popescu;dub claw his way north, aye, but not as far as he feels like.
646253;1398636588;mircea_popescu;as far as he can.
646254;1398636620;mircea_popescu;!up SatoshiJack
646255;1398636620;assbot;Voicing SatoshiJack for 30 minutes.
646256;1398636628;mircea_popescu;dub you can dump why +m is retarded right here lol
646257;1398636642;SatoshiJack;Hey thanks MP.
646258;1398636648;dub;I couldnt at the time :)
646259;1398636650;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo there ?
646260;1398636664;mircea_popescu;so no longer retarded ?
646261;1398636757;dub;he'll post it, tl;dr its a dumb way to fix spam but a coll experiment in circle jerks
646262;1398636763;dub;cool*
646263;1398636857;fluffypony;I don't think the issue is spam
646264;1398636900;dub;initially was iirc?
646265;1398636950;ThickAsThieves;not sure how to prove it, but it does seem we've had more frequent and better new users show up
646266;1398636953;mircea_popescu;http://mpex.co/?mpsic=F.MPIF <<
646267;1398636954;ozbot;F.MPIF last @0.00000000
646268;1398636964;mircea_popescu;pls to check it out, ima sign it if nobody finds typos.
646269;1398636986;mircea_popescu;dub it's not really intended to fight spam. it's intended to foster good quality circle jerking.
646270;1398636999;mircea_popescu;the sort that then stomps on the balls of everyone else and sends them to work in the mines of cambodia
646271;1398637063;mircea_popescu;i swear, twitter has got the art and science of making it look like shit happened when nothing occured down to a fine point.
646272;1398637066;dub;ThickAsThieves: indistinguishable from removing the casual derptroll imo
646273;1398637076;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0349998 = 0.455 BTC [-]
646274;1398637077;fluffypony;dub: not so
646275;1398637083;mircea_popescu;it's like... "198470598094385 updates!!11" then you look... three people favourited five things.
646276;1398637084;dub;ThickAsThieves: which is easily achieved with ops
646277;1398637090;fluffypony;people hang around and first figure out "ohey I can't talk"
646278;1398637092;fluffypony;then they figure out why
646279;1398637097;fluffypony;then they watch for a bit
646280;1398637103;fluffypony;then eventually they talk
646281;1398637117;mircea_popescu;dub the impersonality of it is quite important. people are otherwise too inclined to figure " ican't talk because x is mean"
646282;1398637122;mircea_popescu;rather than "well... guess what... i suck"
646283;1398637124;fluffypony;instead of the normal join -> derp -> "hey here's a link to my IPO for AwesomeCasino 3.9"
646284;1398637279;jurov;assbot is mean!
646285;1398637315;fluffypony;meanness level = so ?
646286;1398637445;mircea_popescu;According to court documents, the second amended Joint Chapter 11 Plan, approved on December 13, 2013 allows for the liquidation of hundreds of billions of dollars worth of homeowners’ mortgages to legendary business billionaire magnate—the fourth richest man in the world, according to Forbes, Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway, Inc. and Ocwen Loan Servicing, L.L.C.
646287;1398637445;mircea_popescu;The bankruptcy terms allows Berkshire Hathaway and Ocwen to purchase over $400 billion worth of mortgages and RMBS trusts for less than $5 billion. Once these mortgages are sold, Berkshire Hathaway and Ocwen will be bankruptcy remote. That means that once the mortgage assets are sold to them, American homeowners, like Morse, will not be able to obtain, through discovery, in judicial proceedings, the documents pertainin
646288;1398637446;mircea_popescu;g to their mortgages to determine if there is an issue with their property’s chain of title or verify if there is a free, clear and legally traceable ownership of their homes.
646289;1398637449;mircea_popescu;In effect, mortgage records of millions of American homeowners would be destroyed.
646290;1398637471;mircea_popescu;this entire fannie and freddie saga is becoming gnarlier each year.
646291;1398637633;benkay;!up Mats_cd03
646292;1398637633;assbot;Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
646293;1398637647;dub;im in a channel where everyone is usually oped, has a similar effect on SNR, people assume no bullshit will fly
646294;1398637652;Mats_cd03;sankq
646295;1398637660;mircea_popescu;what channel is that ?
646296;1398637678;dub;in fact, in ~15 years a cant recal seeing anyone kicked
646297;1398637690;Mats_cd03;was looking at craigslist today... http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/roo/4430556569.html
646298;1398637738;Mats_cd03;^_^
646299;1398637745;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: 2.2 (c) - one year should be hyphenated
646300;1398637794;fluffypony;Mats_cd03: you should take that offer, sounds great and not rapey
646301;1398637796;dub;its on a network with no services and most of the people have 1 or 2 degrees RL separation, all net eng types
646302;1398637809;mircea_popescu;dub so 20 people and 500 lines a week ?
646303;1398637869;Mats_cd03;ya dude hes straight im good
646304;1398637870;dub;bigger than that, used to regularly produce more content than here
646305;1398637884;mircea_popescu;i doubt that.
646306;1398637894;mircea_popescu;#freenode doesn't produce more crap than here.
646307;1398637914;dub;lol
646308;1398637971;mircea_popescu;anyway. this thing is freely and amply advertised. your shyness in naming the other clearly makes the point :
646309;1398637974;mircea_popescu;they're not the same.
646310;1398638011;mircea_popescu;;;ud snr
646311;1398638012;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snr | SNR. Stoke to Nut Ratio. How many strokes it takes one to ejaculate. Don Juan: Hey I just beat my SNR record; I just hit 36! (Dirty Six) Nigga: Cool Story Bro, ...
646312;1398638013;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: snr
646313;1398638025;mircea_popescu;oic.
646314;1398638062;mircea_popescu;!up bawse
646315;1398638062;assbot;Voicing bawse for 30 minutes.
646316;1398638128;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: otherwise it looks all good
646317;1398638148;mircea_popescu;im not hyphenating any one years, what is this, britain ?
646318;1398638171;mircea_popescu;http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/24/cops-found-nothing-in-raid-so-they-planted-drugs-to-frame-innocent-woman/
646319;1398638172;ozbot;Lawsuit: Cops found nothing in raid, so they PLANTED DRUGS to frame innocent woman | The Daily Calle
646320;1398638221;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: pfffft, then you should go and change authorised to authorized :-P
646321;1398638228;Mats_cd03;http://vixandmore.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-correction-as-seen-in-etp-landscape.html
646322;1398638229;ozbot;VIX and More: The Correction As Seen in the ETP Landscape
646323;1398638242;mircea_popescu;fluffypony :p
646324;1398638357;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 227 @ 0.00445268 = 1.0108 BTC [+] {2} 
646325;1398638371;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmOjk6VCEAEBBvq.jpg
646326;1398638382;mircea_popescu;iceland electricity is moar eco friendly than your electricity
646327;1398638406;fluffypony;such design
646328;1398638441;Mats_cd03;http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/04/25/a_breakdown_of_chinas_new_social_classes
646329;1398638441;ozbot;China's New Class Hierarchy: A Guide
646330;1398638479;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03400064 = 0.34 BTC [-]
646331;1398639141;*;jurov 's on 53% nuclear,  13% renewable
646332;1398639178;mircea_popescu;!up Ken`
646333;1398639178;assbot;Voicing Ken` for 30 minutes.
646334;1398639193;Ken`;:)
646335;1398639242;mircea_popescu;so who're you ?
646336;1398639320;bitcoinpete;https://twitter.com/JuicyGrabs/status/460533893473796096 <<via danielpbarron
646337;1398639321;ozbot;Twitter / JuicyGrabs: @danielpbarron  What? Haha. ...
646338;1398639329;fluffypony;Bed time, cheers
646339;1398639516;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0349998 = 0.245 BTC [+]
646340;1398639560;Ken`;mircea_popescu: I trade options (US stock market) and bitcoin
646341;1398639573;mircea_popescu;that'd be what.
646342;1398639577;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0349999 = 0.245 BTC [+]
646343;1398639611;mircea_popescu;http://juicygrabs.blogspot.com < nice blog.
646344;1398639687;Ken`;looks like a copy of zerohedge at first glance
646345;1398639688;bitcoinpete;it's quite primarily colourful
646346;1398639699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0409999 = 0.451 BTC [+]
646347;1398639907;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/27/philanthropy-not-power/
646348;1398639908;ozbot;“Philanthropy.� Not Power. | When Bitcoin Met Pete
646349;1398639934;bitcoinpete;and with that, i be off to dinner. cheers.
646350;1398640108;ThickAsThieves;<+Mats_cd03> was looking at craigslist today... http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/roo/4430556569.html  /// lol I lived in new bedford
646351;1398640135;ThickAsThieves;cant quite suss what that guy is up to
646352;1398640164;ThickAsThieves;just a man wanting to live in a world where his dick can bulge free?
646353;1398640243;ThickAsThieves;looks like an atc rally today
646354;1398640244;ThickAsThieves;ATC @ 0.00000230 BTC
646355;1398640370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
646356;1398640481;ThickAsThieves;"as much as 69 percent of extra virgin olive oil in the US is substandard"
646357;1398640541;mircea_popescu;i can attest to this
646358;1398640550;mircea_popescu;a pain to get decent olive oil
646359;1398640584;mike_c;"The named individual is in fact at the time of this agreement the sole proprietor and operator of both named corporations,"
646360;1398640600;mike_c;sounds odd when disucussing pif
646361;1398640604;mircea_popescu;h,
646362;1398640605;mircea_popescu;hm
646363;1398640652;mircea_popescu;yeah maybe not the best wording. still, i am controlling both things, and so forth.
646364;1398640685;mike_c;yes, just made me scratch my head for a second, and scroll back up to see if pif was a corporation.
646365;1398640705;mircea_popescu;well what else.
646366;1398640710;mircea_popescu;hedge funds are in fact corporations.
646367;1398640772;kakobrekla;llcs :)
646368;1398640780;mike_c;idk.  'sole proprietor' and 'public corporation' are mutually exclusive, no?
646369;1398640864;mircea_popescu;where does it say "public corporation" ?
646370;1398640886;mike_c;sole proprietor means you get all the money.
646371;1398640897;mike_c;it does not say public corporation.  but you are issuing shares.
646372;1398640907;mircea_popescu;but issuing shares after the agreemnet.
646373;1398640907;kakobrekla;where is that from anyway?
646374;1398640914;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla teh f.mpif
646375;1398640926;kakobrekla;i dont see the contract up?
646376;1398640931;mircea_popescu;but it is.
646377;1398640933;mike_c;http://mpex.co/?mpsic=F.MPIF
646378;1398640934;ozbot;F.MPIF last @0.00000000
646379;1398640945;kakobrekla;ah
646380;1398640949;kakobrekla;im blind
646381;1398640956;mircea_popescu;as well as large.
646382;1398640996;mike_c;perhaps "The named individual is in fact at the time of this agreement the sole proprietor of MPIF and the operator of MPEx, and they were represented..."
646383;1398641021;mike_c;but, other than that nitpick the contract read fine to me.
646384;1398641149;mircea_popescu;yeah, it's misstated but i can't see what exactly it'd impact
646385;1398641466;benkay;dub i pub'd your comment
646386;1398641474;benkay;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
646387;1398641506;mircea_popescu;the irony here being that his comment about moderation ended up in spam
646388;1398641520;benkay;encrypt or die
646389;1398641536;benkay;a few suggestions on +m:
646390;1398641549;benkay;- auto up.
646391;1398641553;benkay;(if auth'd)
646392;1398641572;benkay;- some mechanism for new blood to signal they'd like voice
646393;1398641589;mircea_popescu;benkay do i have to install some sort of special software to see these comments ?
646394;1398641612;mircea_popescu;benkay why should they signal ? if anyone sees some interesting looking new people they can voice them.
646395;1398641613;benkay;they're hidden.
646396;1398641616;mircea_popescu;it's a pull not a push
646397;1398641693;kakobrekla;i can see the comment
646398;1398641696;benkay;so that when i'm on a roaming connection i can get everyone's attention for the !up at once lol
646399;1398641707;kakobrekla;no css will get you that
646400;1398641760;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/7DGR6Fc.jpg
646401;1398641769;mircea_popescu;!up Lee-
646402;1398641769;assbot;Voicing Lee- for 30 minutes.
646403;1398641784;mircea_popescu;!up mircea_popescu
646404;1398641784;assbot;Really, mircea_popescu?
646405;1398641792;mircea_popescu;sucks that got fixed ;/
646406;1398641819;kakobrekla;benkay bouncer
646407;1398641830;benkay;got one kako
646408;1398641840;benkay;dun always take keys into hostile turf tho
646409;1398641887;kakobrekla;but you could code your bnc to accept some disposable sekrit to !up you remotley
646410;1398641889;benkay;some days i'm just hopping onto an available web client and don't feel like iterating through the list of people i know in the chan manually to get upped
646411;1398641941;Duffer1;if anyone needs ups i'm usually lurking pm me
646412;1398641949;benkay;that's...
646413;1398641970;benkay;that erodes even more of IRC's vaunted flexibility, kakobrekla .
646414;1398641984;dub;yep, I was in singapore airport yesterday tried to get someones attention in here, no dice
646415;1398642059;dub;fuck if Im taking keys to somewhere my bank balance alone is more than 1000 people earn in their lifetime
646416;1398642078;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 149 @ 0.00755 = 1.125 BTC [-] {4} 
646417;1398642124;benkay;dub dear could i beg a favor
646418;1398642143;benkay;wouldja be so kind as to clearsign that comment?
646419;1398642216;dub;its kinda a pita but ok
646420;1398642240;benkay;nm then
646421;1398642261;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.00755 = 0.3775 BTC [-]
646422;1398642322;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0345 = 0.1035 BTC [+] {2} 
646423;1398642324;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
646424;1398642385;dub;gribble needs that widget
646425;1398642395;benkay;which widget?
646426;1398642445;Duffer1;"To be an investor you simply need to invest money. There is no minimum or qualifications like you imagine." - Jimmothy
646427;1398642449;dub;well no, but a gribble signed pastebin oslt
646428;1398642456;Duffer1;is there bitcointalk !bash?
646429;1398642546;mircea_popescu;i wonder if we could have !atc
646430;1398642599;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 yes. bitcointalk.
646431;1398642608;mike_c;mod6 made a bot that lives in #altcoin.  does a lot of cool atc stats.
646432;1398642677;Duffer1;god why do i find that depressing
646433;1398642677;mircea_popescu;mod6 add it ?
646434;1398642709;dub;Duffer1: don't read anything else that mouthbreather fingerfarts then he's 100$ retarded
646435;1398642742;Duffer1;%?
646436;1398642748;benkay;a hundred dollars retarded!
646437;1398642748;dub;no $
646438;1398642751;danielpbarron;hah, finally caught up with reading the scroll back; time for dinner :Q
646439;1398642760;benkay;;;ud fingerfart
646440;1398642761;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Finger%20Fart | "Mom, the teacher said I made too many finger farts on my research paper". by The Bandit Donny August 23, 2008. 8 5. Mugs & shirts Buy “Finger Fart� mugs & ...
646441;1398642762;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: Finger Fart
646442;1398642904;dub;newfags? http://www.copypasta.info/2010/02/100-serious.html
646443;1398642993;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03450458 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {2} 
646444;1398643054;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.03400009 = 0.782 BTC [-] {5} 
646445;1398643481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00095537 = 5.3501 BTC [+]
646446;1398643566;mod6;ahh, yeah made that bot that does atc stats. want me to add it in here mp?
646447;1398643603;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
646448;1398643647;mircea_popescu;"Congrats to talented and beautiful @LaurenMBias for her award from @NYULYP for commitment to community, philanthropy and entrepreneurism."
646449;1398643649;dub;hmm the farm I buy my olive oil from has been for sale for a while, IPO?
646450;1398643651;mircea_popescu;ima get a fucking aneurism.
646451;1398643662;mircea_popescu;mod6 please
646452;1398643739;mircea_popescu;"All but one of the individual winners of Pulitzer Prizes in journalism this year were male." << this is particularly funny in romanian
646453;1398643741;mircea_popescu;;;ud puli
646454;1398643741;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Puli | A massive chav; someone with no class. Often fond of wearing tracksuits, caps and gold chains.
646455;1398643742;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: Puli
646456;1398643747;mircea_popescu;;;ud pula
646457;1398643748;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pula | pula. the Romanian word for dick/cock. Imi bag pula-n mãta. Esti o pulã bleagã. Sugi pula la ... "Mooom, would you give me 5 pula i wanna buy a condom". "Look  ...
646458;1398643748;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: pula
646459;1398643754;mircea_popescu;well puli is teh plural.
646460;1398643803;mod6;Ok, will do. It has the ability to broadcast x-bt atc/btc trades as well, its not turned on by default.
646461;1398643809;mod6;Let me know if you'd like that as well.
646462;1398643830;mircea_popescu;that may be a little much
646463;1398643863;mod6;agreed.
646464;1398643866;mircea_popescu;maybe have it print the day's average once a day ?
646465;1398643881;mod6;it has a !ticker command. that should suffice.
646466;1398643884;mircea_popescu;can it do that ? like 23 @ 0.03400009 = 0.782 BTC {144} sort of thing
646467;1398643890;kakobrekla;on demand is fine really
646468;1398643892;mircea_popescu;or that yes. better.
646469;1398643895;mod6;*nod*
646470;1398643904;mod6;one moment
646471;1398643969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00095704 = 1.8184 BTC [+]
646472;1398643994;mod6;!up BitOTTer839
646473;1398643994;assbot;Voicing BitOTTer839 for 30 minutes.
646474;1398643997;mircea_popescu;!ticker
646475;1398643997;assbot;Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
646476;1398644000;BitOTTer839;[X-BT] Bid: 0.00000200 Ask: 0.00000240 Last Price: 0.00000230 24h Vol: 880876.00000000 High: 0.00000230 Low: 0.00000150 VWAP: 0.00000192
646477;1398644003;mircea_popescu;lol
646478;1398644011;mircea_popescu;needs a diff control sequence huh
646479;1398644030;kakobrekla;change the prefix or command
646480;1398644031;mod6;ok, give me a minute. i'll change it to like '%' or something
646481;1398644040;mircea_popescu;~ ?
646482;1398644043;kakobrekla;!! ?
646483;1398644048;mircea_popescu;!!ticker
646484;1398644056;mircea_popescu;doesn't that bother assbot ?
646485;1398644070;kakobrekla;i wouldnt think so, but whatever.
646486;1398644097;mircea_popescu;mod6 also, make it short. ~t
646487;1398644097;kakobrekla;you can do 8====D if you want
646488;1398644111;mod6;lol
646489;1398644125;kakobrekla;and 8=D for short tiny one.
646490;1398644129;mod6;ok mp, i'll add another short code for it.
646491;1398644132;mod6;haha
646492;1398644153;mircea_popescu;so this makes how many bots, 7 ?
646493;1398644156;mod6;so '%' ok then? i don't want to interfere with assbot
646494;1398644175;kakobrekla;4 ?
646495;1398644189;mircea_popescu;!up pankkake
646496;1398644189;assbot;Voicing pankkake for 30 minutes.
646497;1398644189;BingoBoingo;artifexd: I'll decline to comment on what I may or may not be doing to ATC prices
646498;1398644205;kakobrekla;ass gribs ozzy and now bitotter
646499;1398644211;mircea_popescu;mpexbot
646500;1398644214;kakobrekla;ugly name btw!
646501;1398644216;mircea_popescu;there's the scammer hunter bot
646502;1398644220;kakobrekla;right that thing.
646503;1398644233;mircea_popescu;that's 6. was another too
646504;1398644248;mircea_popescu;!up pizzaman1338
646505;1398644248;assbot;Voicing pizzaman1338 for 30 minutes.
646506;1398644258;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot pizzaman1338
646507;1398644259;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user pizzaman1338: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=pizzaman1338 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=pizzaman1338 | Rated since: never
646508;1398644264;mircea_popescu;meh.
646509;1398644268;mircea_popescu;;;rate pizzaman1338 1 New blood.
646510;1398644269;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
646511;1398644273;kakobrekla;its 1337 in the wot
646512;1398644273;pankkake;isn't it 1337?
646513;1398644278;mircea_popescu;it is ?
646514;1398644281;mircea_popescu;;;rate pizzaman1337
646515;1398644281;gribble;(rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.
646516;1398644282;kakobrekla;you also rated him already
646517;1398644286;mircea_popescu;a ok.
646518;1398644293;*;mircea_popescu reaches for his lechitin
646519;1398644318;pankkake;came to say reading http://www.reddit.com/user/JuicyGrabs has been my dirty pleasure
646520;1398644333;mircea_popescu;pankkake did you ragequit earlier ?
646521;1398644335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00095704 = 25.4573 BTC [+]
646522;1398644344;pankkake;I am a ragequitter at heart
646523;1398644354;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha
646524;1398644356;dub;french after all
646525;1398644358;pankkake;anyway
646526;1398644362;pankkake;yeah, perhaps
646527;1398644366;mircea_popescu;dude i never made someone ragequit before.
646528;1398644381;mircea_popescu;and i thought you werre supposed to be like a pro troll or some shit anyway
646529;1398644384;thestringpuller;https://www.startup.sx/ << has this been discussed?
646530;1398644389;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla crypton is also a bot.
646531;1398644402;kakobrekla;what for
646532;1398644405;pankkake;I'm a cocotte minute
646533;1398644411;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller  this'd better be about sex.
646534;1398644423;mircea_popescu;"A Regulated Global Marketplace for Startup Investing and Funding"
646535;1398644424;mircea_popescu;meh
646536;1398644560;mod6;!up BitOTTer872
646537;1398644560;assbot;Voicing BitOTTer872 for 30 minutes.
646538;1398644564;mod6;%t
646539;1398644565;BitOTTer872;[X-BT] Bid: 0.00000200 Ask: 0.00000240 Last Price: 0.00000230 24h Vol: 880876.00000000 High: 0.00000230 Low: 0.00000150 VWAP: 0.00000192
646540;1398644577;mod6;%help
646541;1398644578;BitOTTer872;%t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <ATC Address> | %atc_mined | %block <block_height> | %last_block | %cm_rate | %ptp_rate
646542;1398644614;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller no about page other than a desk.com account, and a bunch of spinoff websites  (http://curacao.sgggroup.com/en/dutch-carribbean-securities-exchange ) etc.
646543;1398644643;mircea_popescu;quite snugly fit on the scam stock exchange mo. bitcoin as a bonus i guess.
646544;1398644659;mircea_popescu;%book
646545;1398644660;BitOTTer872;[X-BT] ASK: 70000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000248 BTC
646546;1398644661;BitOTTer872;[X-BT] ASK: 10000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000245 BTC
646547;1398644661;BitOTTer872;[X-BT] ASK: 65000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000240 BTC
646548;1398644661;BitOTTer872;[X-BT] BID: 99000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000200 BTC
646549;1398644661;BitOTTer872;[X-BT] BID: 100000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000170 BTC
646550;1398644664;BitOTTer872;[X-BT] BID: 75000.00000000 ATC @ 0.00000160 BTC
646551;1398644672;mircea_popescu;mod6 srsly needs to put it all on one line
646552;1398644713;mircea_popescu;preferably 70k@248 10k@245 65k@240 | 99k @200 100k @170 etc
646553;1398644716;mod6;ok. ill work on that a bit. that's probably the most verbose one. all the others are one line iirc.
646554;1398644730;mod6;give me a few here...
646555;1398644735;mircea_popescu;no big rush
646556;1398644756;BingoBoingo;%mined
646557;1398644769;BingoBoingo;%atc_mined
646558;1398644770;BitOTTer872;[ATC Mined] ATC Mined (to date): 15500800  Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456  % Mined of Total: 5.77
646559;1398644774;pankkake;%tslb
646560;1398644823;mod6;%last_block
646561;1398644823;BitOTTer872;[ATC Last Block] Height: 30276  Time: 2014-04-27T23:21:28Z  Vout Sum: 1024  Number TXs: 2  Difficulty: 455357.12903751  Hash: 00000000000003dd8261d1ee537732c6b0434f21e16cf0cf31d40d032ebd7559  Fee: 0.00000000  Size: 779  Days Destroyed: 704  Confirmations: 1
646562;1398644847;kakobrekla;did you register his nick?
646563;1398644861;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: like how they say it's "regulated"
646564;1398644864;kakobrekla;er, its nick
646565;1398644865;mircea_popescu;mod6 %lb ?
646566;1398644886;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller "Kapil Bhatia Kapil Bhatia is in the digital banking industry in Qatar. " << that happens to be a common name and also the name of some indian billionaire.
646567;1398644894;kakobrekla;i can add him to cs if the nick is reg
646568;1398644894;mod6;kako: no not yet.
646569;1398644909;mod6;(i mean, i haven't regiestered it yet)
646570;1398644915;mircea_popescu;the guy they depict however is none of those, and moreover the only reference yo ucan find to "SSX Advisors Corp" is on their own websites.
646571;1398644948;mod6;It has a random 1-1000 number on the end, I can make it just 'BitOTTer' though.
646572;1398644960;kakobrekla;is that free even
646573;1398644989;kakobrekla;and whats with the capital 'OTT'
646574;1398644991;kakobrekla;i dun get it
646575;1398644999;mod6;ok, lemme hack in a few changes. i'll leave this one connected for the time being.
646576;1398645025;mod6;it's all part of the tools "Bitcoin Options Trade Tool" package/suite
646577;1398645043;kakobrekla;ah i thought it was 'Over The Top'
646578;1398645049;mod6;haha, it might be.
646579;1398645098;kakobrekla;if its atc specific you might call it something related to taht
646580;1398645147;dub;scambot
646581;1398645157;pankkake;buttbott
646582;1398645164;pankkake;but I like scambot
646583;1398645169;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller on the other hand, their domain whois claims it was reg'd by Brian Niessen, who is an actual somebody.
646584;1398645229;kakobrekla;scambot you say? might as well just call it max keiser then
646585;1398645241;peterl;mircea_popescu: looking at mpif contract, "The General Manager may also destroy Fund shares the Fund holds at any point", does the manager take out btc, or do the shares just get destroyed?
646586;1398645242;mod6;lol
646587;1398645254;mod6;i'll call it 'atcbot' that would make the most sense.
646588;1398645255;mircea_popescu;Registrant Name: Brian Niessen Registrant Organization: SSX Holdings CorpRegistrant Street: PO Box PW 5334 Registrant Street: Babrow Building Registrant City: The Valley Registrant Country: ANGUILLA
646589;1398645267;kakobrekla;call it atcmax
646590;1398645273;mircea_popescu;peterl if the fund owns them, they can just get destroyed
646591;1398645328;peterl;aha, misread, missed the "the fund holds", nevermind
646592;1398645347;mircea_popescu;yeah the venue is basically if pc5 ends up with too many shares
646593;1398645432;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller anyway, i dropped them a tweet, maybe they show up and impress.
646594;1398645598;mircea_popescu;"It's lame in a way you are more concerned about privacy of your "bank account" than creating and promoting growth and fostering a close tight knit community. It's more important to you your MSC stake or "bank account" stays private than fostering closer tie with the community who allowed you to have this "bank account" in the first place."
646595;1398645613;thestringpuller;http://i.imgur.com/E5rZVJU.png - winter in romania
646596;1398645616;mircea_popescu;pankkake ok the guy's kinda amusing. almost livejournal level
646597;1398645636;BingoBoingo;.d
646598;1398645637;ozbot;6.979 billion | Next Diff in 309 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.0921% in 1d 19h 34m 31s
646599;1398645717;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/a-nins-3.jpg
646600;1398645766;thestringpuller;lol is she peeing?
646601;1398645781;mircea_popescu;yea
646602;1398645792;thestringpuller;unabashful
646603;1398645809;mircea_popescu;me 1 imgur 0. yay.
646604;1398646232;mod6;is this acceptable?
646605;1398646234;mod6;(17:50) < atcbot> 70000@0.00000248 10000@0.00000245 65000@0.00000240 | 99000@0.00000200 100000@0.00000170 75000@0.00000160
646606;1398646281;kakobrekla;seems fine to me
646607;1398646342;mod6;ok, thx.
646608;1398646470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 981 @ 0.00095537 = 0.9372 BTC [-]
646609;1398646555;mircea_popescu;nice.
646610;1398646569;mod6;!up atcbot
646611;1398646569;assbot;Voicing atcbot for 30 minutes.
646612;1398646574;mod6;ty :)
646613;1398646599;mod6;%t
646614;1398646601;atcbot;[X-BT] Bid: 0.00000200 Ask: 0.00000240 Last Price: 0.00000230 24h Vol: 880876.00000000 High: 0.00000230 Low: 0.00000150 VWAP: 0.00000192
646615;1398646606;mod6;%book
646616;1398646607;atcbot;70000@0.00000248 10000@0.00000245 65000@0.00000240 | 99000@0.00000200 100000@0.00000170 75000@0.00000160
646617;1398646651;mircea_popescu;mod6 srsly tho, try cutting the 3 0s in the first term to k
646618;1398646666;mircea_popescu;and express as satoshi rather than bitcoin
646619;1398646797;thestringpuller;oh shit game of thrones
646620;1398646856;pankkake;mod6: I just stopped my trades bot, so you can display yours. the only thing I found missing was aligning at the @
646621;1398646869;pankkake;s/display/enable/
646622;1398646883;mod6;ok. not a big deal, need a bit more time for that mp.
646623;1398646917;mod6;pankkake: ok yeah, i didn't bother trying to align yet. if you want me to, I can change it over to doing the trades in #altcoin.
646624;1398646923;mod6;hang on a sec. I'll do that first.
646625;1398647019;pankkake;standard string formatting stuff usually can do it easily
646626;1398647120;kakobrekla;standards ewwww.
646627;1398647507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00095706 = 14.5473 BTC [+] {3} 
646628;1398647709;kakobrekla;ping me when you register the thing
646629;1398647728;pankkake;http://www.crowdsupply.com/kosagi/novena-open-laptop
646630;1398647729;ozbot;Novena | Crowd Supply
646631;1398648306;mod6;pankkake: you should start your bot back up. mine has a bug somewhere, gotta debug it. haven't flexed that part of the code much yet.
646632;1398648323;mod6;I'll work on that too.  But meanwhile... ok?
646633;1398648347;pankkake;done, I'll stop it when you want
646634;1398648369;mod6;much appreciated, pankkake
646635;1398648375;mod6;!up atcbot
646636;1398648375;assbot;Voicing atcbot for 30 minutes.
646637;1398648384;mod6;%book
646638;1398648385;atcbot;70k@248 10k@245 65k@240 | 99k@200 100k@170 75k@160
646639;1398648392;mod6;%t
646640;1398648394;atcbot;[X-BT] Bid: 200 Ask: 240 Last Price: 230 24h-Vol: 871k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 193
646641;1398648484;mike_c;such volume.
646642;1398648722;BingoBoingo;%tslb
646643;1398648869;mod6;it doesn't do that yet BB, best we can do now is %last_block
646644;1398648872;atcbot;[ATC Last Block] Height: 30279  Time: 2014-04-28T01:28:39Z  Vout Sum: 512  Number TXs: 1  Difficulty: 455357.12903751  Hash: 0000000000000ba03eceaee28a05554dec1cac0f6e924e0b3d3dd2632abdabb0  Fee: 0.00000000  Size: 552  Days Destroyed: 0  Confirmations: 1
646645;1398648905;kakobrekla;hm
646646;1398648921;kakobrekla;confirmations 1 ?
646647;1398649017;mod6;*shrug* it's in the JSON: http://atc.blockr.io/api/v1/block/info/last
646648;1398649058;mod6;pankkake: so not sure why it died there. it didn't get back a null result, or it would have spit out an error, but whatever it was, wasn't valid JSON. needs some debugging in there.
646649;1398649068;mod6;I'll work on that.  Thanks for starting yours back up.
646650;1398649215;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 890 @ 0.0001261 = 0.1122 BTC [-]
646651;1398649276;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8085 @ 0.00012525 = 1.0126 BTC [-] {5} 
646652;1398649395;thestringpuller;;;google Mojo Jojo
646653;1398649396;gribble;Mojo Jojo - Powerpuff Girls Wiki: <http://powerpuff.wikia.com/wiki/Mojo_Jojo>; List of The Powerpuff Girls characters - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Powerpuff_Girls_characters>; Cartoon Network-Mojo Jojo is on Who Wants To Be A Millionare ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfQIwIy7_bU>
646654;1398649712;decimation;The liberal always discovers too late that the price of equality is the omnipotent state.
646655;1398649713;decimation;http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/09/1828.html
646656;1398649714;ozbot;Don Colacho’s Aphorisms: #1,828
646657;1398649746;decimation;stupid chat client:  Without a hierarchical structure it is not possible to transform freedom from a fable into a fact. The liberal always discovers too late that the price of equality is the omnipotent state.
646658;1398649824;decimation;asciilifeform: I assume you are an emacs fan; what IRC client do you like?  I'm trying to follow the path to becoming a competent emacs/lisp user
646659;1398649947;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00464805 = 0.3718 BTC [-]
646660;1398650246;mod6;ok bare with me a moment, gonna see if I can get this thing registered with nickserv & have it identify on_connect
646661;1398650374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00095832 = 3.8333 BTC [+]
646662;1398650890;decimation;I've played with zenirc and ERC
646663;1398650971;mod6;ok here goes..
646664;1398651228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16482 @ 0.00095537 = 15.7464 BTC [-]
646665;1398651357;mod6;!up atcbot
646666;1398651357;assbot;Voicing atcbot for 30 minutes.
646667;1398651525;mod6;kakobrekla: ok it's registered with nickserv.
646668;1398651576;mod6;I was like wtf about the block conf's too, but blockr.io show's 'em for btc blocks too.
646669;1398651611;kakobrekla;!down atcbot
646670;1398651642;mod6;ninja
646671;1398651653;kakobrekla;should work
646672;1398651761;mod6;the bot is a work in progress, let me know if stuff needs to get added/subtracted/modified and I'll work on it.
646673;1398651788;mod6;obv tslb is desired, that'll be near the top BingoBoingo
646674;1398651960;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49804584 = 1.4941 BTC [+] {2} 
646675;1398652207;BingoBoingo;%t
646676;1398652209;atcbot;[X-BT] Bid: 131 Ask: 150 Last Price: 150 24h-Vol: 1345k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 183
646677;1398652215;BingoBoingo;%book
646678;1398652216;atcbot;100k@175 45k@169 25k@150 | 250k@131 170k@121 4k@111
646679;1398652273;mod6;heh 1345k
646680;1398652358;mod6;(17:27) <+mircea_popescu> mod6 %lb ? << i'll make this change too, i'll change the commands so their much shorter.
646681;1398652364;BingoBoingo;It's something
646682;1398652570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00095832 = 22.233 BTC [+]
646683;1398652660;mod6;shorter command names on next restart/connect
646684;1398652692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 200 @ 0.00095508 = 0.191 BTC [-] {2} 
646685;1398652829;ThickAsThieves;is it public knowledge how much ATC MPIF is working with?
646686;1398652898;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: It will be when the first public statement is revealed.
646687;1398652937;BingoBoingo;Otherwise you can parse the logs for references to amounts and get a rough idea of the size it started at.
646688;1398652990;ThickAsThieves;and the first public report comes with the first ability to but shares?
646689;1398652997;ThickAsThieves;buy*
646690;1398653058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00456 = 0.1368 BTC [-]
646691;1398653067;BingoBoingo;It should.
646692;1398653291;ThickAsThieves;"New Vulnerability Found in Every Single Version of Internet Explorer"
646693;1398653363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00095931 = 16.5001 BTC [+] {2} 
646694;1398653500;mod6;haha
646695;1398653514;mod6;now there's a shocker
646696;1398653701;BingoBoingo;http://mashable.com/2014/04/26/big-data-pregnancy/
646697;1398653702;ozbot;How One Woman Hid Her Pregnancy From Big Data
646698;1398654522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49964657 BTC [+]
646699;1398654644;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49970747 = 0.9994 BTC [+] {2} 
646700;1398654705;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]
646701;1398655864;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0344999 = 0.276 BTC [+]
646702;1398655986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00095502 = 8.5474 BTC [-]
646703;1398656030;BingoBoingo;%book
646704;1398656031;atcbot;10k@245 65k@240 2k@200 | 100k@150 6k@135 100k@134
646705;1398656367;artifexd;That's pretty
646706;1398656395;artifexd;mod6: wd
646707;1398656538;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/imposture/
646708;1398656539;ozbot;Imposture
646709;1398656758;mod6;thx artifexd :)
646710;1398657023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00095337 = 24.2156 BTC [-] {2} 
646711;1398657171;artifexd;BingoBoingo: http://i.imgur.com/dq8y6Ps.jpg <- made me think of you
646712;1398657191;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Thank you.
646713;1398657258;BingoBoingo;My favorite part is that with two pieces of wire and a soldering iron you could convert the dopamine to methamphetamine
646714;1398657572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00095543 = 29.5228 BTC [+]
646715;1398659280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00095741 = 6.7019 BTC [+] {2} 
646716;1398659890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00095382 = 15.5473 BTC [-] {2} 
646717;1398660328;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/04/speed-reading-apps-may-kill-comprehension/
646718;1398660329;ozbot;Speed reading apps may kill comprehension  | Ars Technica
646719;1398661232;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00444 = 0.1066 BTC [-]
646720;1398661476;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00451316 = 0.185 BTC [+]
646721;1398661879;BingoBoingo;http://drgrumpyinthehouse.blogspot.com/2014/04/holy-shit-im-rich.html
646722;1398661880;ozbot;Doctor Grumpy in the House: Holy shit I'm rich!
646723;1398662269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00095301 = 16.1059 BTC [-] {3} 
646724;1398663062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00095632 = 33.6625 BTC [+] {3} 
646725;1398663348;bitcoinpete;http://www.cbsnews.com/news/whos-minding-the-nuclear-weapons/
646726;1398663349;ozbot;Who's minding the nukes? - CBS News
646727;1398663358;bitcoinpete;floppy disks ftw!
646728;1398663394;bitcoinpete;"the equipment is ancient. This, for example, is one of the computers that would receive a launch order from the president. It uses floppy disks! The really old, big ones."
646729;1398663428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.0009576 = 13.3585 BTC [+] {2} 
646730;1398663453;BingoBoingo;Well... Why not floppy disks
646731;1398663488;bitcoinpete;"And they're using really, really, really old computers. I saw a floppy disc and not a floppy disc that size. It was gigantic."
646732;1398663497;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: zero reason not to
646733;1398663509;bitcoinpete;other than neomania
646734;1398663530;bitcoinpete;"I'll tell you, those older systems provide us some -- I will say huge safety when it comes to some cyber issues that we currently have in the world."
646735;1398663562;bitcoinpete;"A few years ago we did a complete analysis of our entire network. Cyber engineers found out that the system is extremely safe and extremely secure on the way it's developed."
646736;1398663578;BingoBoingo;I mean what other computers would be running launch systems? Some 28nm ARM thing that runs Java?
646737;1398663585;bitcoinpete;"We're not up on the Internet." <<def helps
646738;1398663613;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: or a used ps3
646739;1398663653;bitcoinpete;"The land-based intercontinental ballistic missiles, the ICBMs, that we saw are just one part of the nuclear triad that includes missiles on submarines and bombers. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that operating and upgrading all three legs of the triad is going to cost at least $355 billion over the next 10 years."
646740;1398663724;BingoBoingo;Still less expensive than the F-35 that doesn't work
646741;1398663795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00095189 = 20.656 BTC [-]
646742;1398664418;bitcoinpete;So this random dude e-mails me recently, offering to set me up with ltb's adam levine for an interview about maidsafe
646743;1398664424;bitcoinpete;cuz i'm an expert on them or something
646744;1398664433;bitcoinpete;and i don't know levine already
646745;1398664489;bitcoinpete;so anyways i ask the guy what he doing in/with bitcoin and he says he "just left a start-up and wants to be a core dev"
646746;1398664509;cazalla;BingoBoingo: Australia is buying 58 of those F-35's :\
646747;1398664546;bitcoinpete;naturally, i prod further and his area of interests is sidechains because they "fix bitcoin's incentive problems"
646748;1398664553;BingoBoingo;cazalla: Seem like a lot of countries are
646749;1398664595;bitcoinpete;does the guy of pgp/gpg? nope, "The PGP/GPG stuff has been on my list to figure out for a few months, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. I've only recently started caring (somewhat) about security since getting into Bitcoin."
646750;1398664611;BingoBoingo;Damn
646751;1398664624;bitcoinpete;sounds like a perfect power ranger candidate. i hope he's cool being blue
646752;1398664628;BingoBoingo;!up Dimsler
646753;1398664628;assbot;Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.
646754;1398664636;bitcoinpete;cazalla: canada is too
646755;1398664736;bitcoinpete;we were talking about 65 of them to the tune of $25M or so
646756;1398665034;bitcoinpete;$25B*
646757;1398665075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.068996 = 0.138 BTC [+]
646758;1398665528;cazalla;still, i'd rather the au gov spend the money on planes than more and more welfare
646759;1398665746;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.07010101 = 0.2103 BTC [-]
646760;1398665807;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.07 = 0.49 BTC [-]
646761;1398665868;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49700 @ 0.00095805 = 47.6151 BTC [+] {2} 
646762;1398665929;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.06899838 = 1.173 BTC [+] {5} 
646763;1398666232;bitcoinpete;cazalla: if those are the choices, then sure
646764;1398666238;bitcoinpete;defense > decay
646765;1398666265;cazalla;i don't vote so i guess i don't have a choice not that i would even if i did
646766;1398666783;Naphex;morning
646767;1398666809;Naphex;http://www.ziardecluj.ro/sfantul-efrem-ocrotitorul-clujului-repara-calculatoare-si-tamaduieste-constipatia
646768;1398666810;ozbot;Sfantul Efrem, ocrotitorul Clujului, repara calculatoare si tamaduieste constipatia | Ziar de Cluj
646769;1398667393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00095913 = 24.6496 BTC [+] {2} 
646770;1398667878;bitcoinpete;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GSe078iCTP0/U115yU-dK4I/AAAAAAAAauo/IfmgIKDrvPI/s1600/north+korea+customs+declaration.jpg
646771;1398667913;bitcoinpete;north korea keeps it simple stupid
646772;1398668601;BingoBoingo;Best Korea for a reason
646773;1398669161;bitcoinpete;"There’s a very simple way to distinguish actual people from non-people. It’s not whether their grandmother was Jewish or their hair is curly, it’s not whether their skin tone is this or that shade of purple, it’s not even if they do well in school, suck cock rapturously, work hard, obey the laws, go to church, respect their elders, floss, whatever the hell else. None of that matters."
646774;1398669165;bitcoinpete;"Actual people are always on the lookout for games to put skin in. Everybody else just knows better, from the waysides."
646775;1398669195;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu on the money
646776;1398669200;bitcoinpete;http://trilema.com/2013/soft-consensus-aka-fecal-matter/
646777;1398669201;ozbot;Soft consensus, aka fecal matter. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
646778;1398669280;bitcoinpete;and that's a wrap!
646779;1398669419;HeySteve;http://awesomenator.com/content/2011/10/north-korea-pokemon.jpg
646780;1398669833;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.0689998 = 2.001 BTC [+]
646781;1398670016;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
646782;1398670077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6308 @ 0.00095568 = 6.0284 BTC [-]
646783;1398671087;mircea_popescu;%t
646784;1398671088;atcbot;[X-BT] Bid: 155 Ask: 200 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 1770k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 186
646785;1398671096;mircea_popescu;%b
646786;1398671103;mircea_popescu;%book
646787;1398671104;atcbot;10k@245 65k@240 2k@200 | 10k@155 10k@151 100k@150
646788;1398671120;mircea_popescu;mod6 splendid :D
646789;1398671175;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00095857 = 22.7181 BTC [+] {3} 
646790;1398671206;Apocalyptic;24h-Vol: 1770k // that's like the monthly volume last month
646791;1398671234;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic lol growth eh ?
646792;1398671236;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0345 = 0.1035 BTC [+]
646793;1398671253;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1770000*186
646794;1398671253;gribble;329220000
646795;1398671269;mircea_popescu;3.x btc ? getting to be pretty respectable for a scamcoin.
646796;1398671396;mircea_popescu;Naphex http://trilema.com/2012/im-sick/#comment-99383 :p
646797;1398671516;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: mornings
646798;1398671540;mircea_popescu;hey.
646799;1398671541;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00095934 = 5.8999 BTC [+] {2} 
646800;1398671583;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I've been flipping through the MPOE account statements for a blog post on running a profitable BTC business, is there a cumulative count of dividends paid per share that you've published at any point?
646801;1398671616;mircea_popescu;yes, but it's old. lemme see ehre.
646802;1398671631;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/
646803;1398671632;ozbot;MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
646804;1398671659;mircea_popescu;if you'd find it within your heart to publish the 2nd year of dividends, same format, that'd actually be helpful.
646805;1398671677;fluffypony;ok cool
646806;1398671759;mircea_popescu;maybe mike_c does one too, then we can see if your numbers match.
646807;1398671818;fluffypony;I haven't had enough coffee - can you explain the relative dividend yield? surely the dividends are absolute?
646808;1398671830;mircea_popescu;yes but each month the stock has an average price
646809;1398671842;fluffypony;ah ok
646810;1398671874;HeySteve;details on that payment splitting service: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/provably-fair-bitcoin-split-payments-have-arrived/2014/04/27
646811;1398672039;mircea_popescu;https://hashcat.net/oclhashcat/
646812;1398672040;ozbot;oclHashcat - advanced password recovery
646813;1398672163;mircea_popescu;whoa iron dropped ? coal dropped ?! this is a new one.
646814;1398672232;mircea_popescu;;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com bitevery
646815;1398672233;gribble;NEXT: 07-05-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2013&bots=true>; NEXT: 12-09-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2013&bots=true>
646816;1398672265;mircea_popescu;google you fucking suck wtf, it's in neither.
646817;1398672761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 380 @ 0.06279784 = 23.8632 BTC [-] {46} 
646818;1398672822;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06889296 = 0.3445 BTC [+] {2} 
646819;1398672824;Naphex;:D
646820;1398672842;Naphex;good day today
646821;1398672880;mircea_popescu;http://www.wired.com/2014/04/quantum-theory-flow-time/
646822;1398672881;ozbot;New Quantum Theory Could Explain the Flow of Time | Science | WIRED
646823;1398672883;Naphex;mircea_popescu: http://www.doxologia.ro/viata-bisericii/marturii/sfantul-efrem-cel-nou-deblocat-programe-informatice-reparat-fisiere-corupte and soon with bitcoin recovery :))
646824;1398672884;mircea_popescu;hopefully he gets extradited.
646825;1398672890;Naphex;if you haven't seen it
646826;1398672890;Naphex;:)
646827;1398672895;mircea_popescu;Naphex lmao wut.
646828;1398672949;Naphex;“Asadar, s-a rugat Sfantului Efrem cel Nou si a facut de trei ori Semnul Sfintei Cruci peste computer. Spre marea sa uimire, nu numai ca a reusit sa deschida fisierul, ci a putut sa stearga integral sectiunea corupta�
646829;1398672953;Naphex;so... :D
646830;1398672954;mircea_popescu;Naphex is that this guy http://trilema.com/2009/predosloviie/ ?
646831;1398672968;mircea_popescu;(ie... sf leufteriu of the L.o.L. ?)
646832;1398672996;Naphex;:))
646833;1398673187;mircea_popescu;lmao no fucking way, that's the actual site of the moldavian bishopric
646834;1398673189;mircea_popescu;ahahahaah
646835;1398673331;mircea_popescu;moiety https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmR_oNJIcAAfFVX.jpg
646836;1398673494;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06763971 = 0.1353 BTC [-]
646837;1398673554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 50 @ 0.14 = 7 BTC
646838;1398673718;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: btw just noticed on http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time/ - "unspeficied"
646839;1398673731;mircea_popescu;hahah
646840;1398673735;mircea_popescu;that's too cute to fix
646841;1398673766;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/817/f-mpif-to-last-/ lol srsly ?
646842;1398673768;ozbot;BitBet - F.MPIF to last the year
646843;1398673795;moiety;awww! i think the sombrero wins the hat contest!
646844;1398673801;mircea_popescu;Instead, this week we found out the Most Transparent Administration in American History™ has implemented a new anti-press policy that would make Richard Nixon blush. National intelligence director James Clapper, the man caught lying to Congress from an "unauthorized" leak by Snowden, issued a directive to the employees of all 17 intelligence agencies barring all employees from any "unauthorized" contact with the pres
646845;1398673801;mircea_popescu;s.
646846;1398673809;mircea_popescu;teh soviets are coming hurray hurray
646847;1398673812;mircea_popescu;this is so 1978
646848;1398673971;Apocalyptic;<mircea_popescu> http://bitbet.us/bet/817/f-mpif-to-last-/ lol srsly ? // isn't that a badbet ?
646849;1398674003;mircea_popescu;well to the degree betting on any fiat stock being delisted is, i guess.
646850;1398674006;mircea_popescu;or what did you have in mind ?
646851;1398674007;Apocalyptic;as it's in solely your authority to decide the outcome
646852;1398674042;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [-]
646853;1398674043;mircea_popescu;schizopathically & antisocially i seem to count myself as an institution.
646854;1398674162;mircea_popescu;pankkake:
646855;1398674162;mircea_popescu;mod6: I just stopped my trades bot, so you can display yours. << hows that work ?
646856;1398674278;mircea_popescu;;;later tell decimation you left out the best part : "Without a hierarchical structure it is not possible to transform freedom from a fable into a fact."
646857;1398674278;gribble;The operation succeeded.
646858;1398674391;mircea_popescu;;;later tell decimation o no oyu didn't. nm :p
646859;1398674391;gribble;The operation succeeded.
646860;1398674559;mircea_popescu;;;seen scrat
646861;1398674559;gribble;scrat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 weeks, 1 day, 11 hours, 20 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <Scrat> im a fat cock
646862;1398674592;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07089996 = 0.3545 BTC [+] {2} 
646863;1398674602;mircea_popescu;http://oglaf.com/imposture/ << ok, this rules.
646864;1398674602;ozbot;Imposture
646865;1398674652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 250 @ 0.00085 = 0.2125 BTC [+] {2} 
646866;1398674835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00095804 = 16.3825 BTC [-] {2} 
646867;1398675169;fluffypony;fuck that confused me
646868;1398675169;fluffypony;http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/
646869;1398675170;ozbot;MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
646870;1398675175;fluffypony;BBET is listed as paying from Jan
646871;1398675183;fluffypony;when first dividend payout was Feb
646872;1398675201;mircea_popescu;well yes but it was for the month of jan
646873;1398675277;fluffypony;yes but if you take the dividends table on the listing page for MPOE it correlates to "month in which it was paid" pretty much
646874;1398675322;fluffypony;for eg. the first dividend was paid on 26-05-12 and is listed as the May 2012 dividend
646875;1398675323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00095896 = 12.0829 BTC [+] {2} 
646876;1398675323;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.07089996 = 0.3545 BTC [+] {2} 
646877;1398675384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07092901 = 0.2837 BTC [+] {2} 
646878;1398675385;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29988 @ 0.00095992 = 28.7861 BTC [+] {2} 
646879;1398675610;mircea_popescu;right.
646880;1398675626;mircea_popescu;and had it been paid 3-06-2012 it'd still have been the may dividend
646881;1398675667;mircea_popescu;this because for most of its life mpoe reported on a "last week of month" period, and reports came in within hours of exercise closure, so it almost always was within the month.
646882;1398675681;HeySteve;<+mircea_popescu> "Without a hierarchical structure it is not possible to transform freedom from a fable into a fact." <- there should be a science of resilient hierarchical structures which resist corruption and decay. it should draw from historical fact, military tactics and decentralised methods. it should inform a technocratic leadership.
646883;1398675684;mircea_popescu;whereas everyone else reported by the 5th of next calendar month, so it always was later
646884;1398675690;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0674425 = 0.2698 BTC [-]
646885;1398675697;mircea_popescu;HeySteve yes, there is such a science. what do you think we're doing here.
646886;1398675827;HeySteve;do you mean this channel or Bitcoin?
646887;1398675872;mircea_popescu;i mean this channel, mpex, etc.
646888;1398675933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0345 = 0.1035 BTC [+]
646889;1398675978;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: plz check - http://markable.in/file/534b17d2-ceb4-11e3-9cd6-984be164924a/
646890;1398675995;HeySteve;Bitcoin should be a sovereign
646891;1398676002;mircea_popescu;just pastebin it, i aint js.
646892;1398676015;mircea_popescu;HeySteve it... is. it has been, for a while. hence the serenissima.
646893;1398676038;HeySteve;this is not widely recognised, mircea_popescu
646894;1398676047;mircea_popescu;that matters :))
646895;1398676065;mircea_popescu;like you know, there's this lion in an african village, and the local peasants are... not recognizing it.
646896;1398676081;mircea_popescu;im sure the lion's all hurt and emo over it.
646897;1398676106;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: no js on the page
646898;1398676111;HeySteve;that sounds dangerous for the villagers
646899;1398676114;fluffypony;or none that needs to execute to see the table
646900;1398676131;mircea_popescu;HeySteve exactly. letting people know about how their lives depend on bitcoin-ability is a charitable deed.
646901;1398676144;mircea_popescu;btw, you ever seen http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/ ?
646902;1398676156;mircea_popescu;fluffypony wouldja just pastebin the thing ?
646903;1398676172;fluffypony;I'll pastebin the markdown source
646904;1398676182;fluffypony;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4kE1TrR7
646905;1398676229;mircea_popescu;wrong years lol
646906;1398676235;fluffypony;whoops
646907;1398676258;mircea_popescu;Mar 2013 | 17 | 122
646908;1398676266;fluffypony;fixed those last 3
646909;1398676275;fluffypony;apparently I'm stuck in 2013 :-P
646910;1398676290;mircea_popescu;lol
646911;1398676299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00096052 = 25.6459 BTC [+] {2} 
646912;1398676300;mircea_popescu;anyway, best make it a full year, so wait a few days to include apr too
646913;1398676309;fluffypony;can do
646914;1398676360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123 @ 0.00096116 = 0.1182 BTC [+]
646915;1398676462;fluffypony;;;later tell duffer1 well when you can't decide whether your name is "Timothy" or "Jimmy" it's unsurprising that you'd self-identify as an "investor" despite never really invested in anything:-P
646916;1398676462;gribble;The operation succeeded.
646917;1398676505;mircea_popescu;"this guy is giving me the timmy-jimmies", voted most likely to succeed coinage of 2014.
646918;1398676528;fluffypony;lol
646919;1398676543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16410 @ 0.00095947 = 15.7449 BTC [-]
646920;1398676545;mircea_popescu;"Office space alone can eat you alive. Between Pissy and I we have 2100 square feet. And we're paying $5100 a month for that. "
646921;1398676554;mircea_popescu;someone's in business with a partner known as... pissy ?!
646922;1398676584;fluffypony;could be worse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_(energy_drink)
646923;1398676621;mircea_popescu;now that is true. pussy is an energy drink.
646924;1398676710;mircea_popescu;"3. CEO at my hospital laid off 10% of the nurses last year and got a $7M bonus."
646925;1398676718;HeySteve;there are worse options https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309547.0
646926;1398676740;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's what he refers to his urologist office mate as
646927;1398676765;fluffypony;law
646928;1398676767;fluffypony;lawl
646929;1398676781;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo old cranky doctors are some of my favourite party people.
646930;1398676787;mircea_popescu;they have this well patined sense of humor.
646931;1398676791;BingoBoingo;Yeah
646932;1398676862;mircea_popescu;Price. $3.00 for drink plus shipping. Shipping International: 1-2 = $23.95 - Small Flat Rate 4-8 = $77.95 - Large Flat Rate
646933;1398676884;mircea_popescu;dude srsly ? 15 bux for a bottle of carbonated pisswater ?
646934;1398677019;mircea_popescu;anyway, they do the office practice here too. most romanians are insured by virtue of going to work, the cost is about $100 per month. most rich romanians don't bother with the state insurance and just pay out of pocket.
646935;1398677060;mircea_popescu;typical office overhead for a doctor's office is in the 10 to 15k a year, all inclusive, typical doctor visit is $100 or less (depending, GP is like $10)
646936;1398677075;mircea_popescu;average doctor makes 20x minimum wage, 3x average wage.
646937;1398677142;mircea_popescu;somehow a country larger than the entire fucking cascadia can function on 1/10 to 1/100 of the us costs.
646938;1398677159;mircea_popescu;and i would argue healthcare, tho not stellar, is better here than there.
646939;1398677271;BingoBoingo;It's amazing how these things work out
646940;1398677271;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
646941;1398677310;fluffypony;bitcoinpete:naturally, i prod further and his area of interests is sidechains because they "fix bitcoin's incentive problems" <- with that attitude he's well on his way to being part of the Bitcoin Foundation, maybe he should just apply for a seat?
646942;1398677319;cazalla;difficult to find a good GP in Australia, the older doctors are few and far between but will allow you adequate time, the younger GP's are usually found in medical centres where the aim is to get you in and out ASAP to bulk bill medicare as much as possible
646943;1398677338;HeySteve;Peter Todd had a strong point against sidechains
646944;1398677351;HeySteve;https://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/ltb-e104-tree-chains-with <- worth a listen
646945;1398677355;BingoBoingo;http://bitbet.us/bet/600/tradefortress-arrested/#c2135
646946;1398677359;ozbot;BitBet - TradeFortress arrested
646947;1398677389;fluffypony;comment spamz
646948;1398677397;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0405 = 0.162 BTC [+]
646949;1398677398;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
646950;1398677399;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete:
646951;1398677399;mircea_popescu;so anyways i ask the guy what he doing in/with bitcoin and he says he "just left a start-up and wants to be a core dev" << so send him here.
646952;1398677399;mircea_popescu;lol
646953;1398677400;mircea_popescu;and to think that he could have a banner for .1 btc
646954;1398677407;cazalla;i went to a walk in medical centre with issues about my neck as I couldn't get an appointment at my usual GP, the GP at the walk in just assumed I was after pain meds and wrote a script for endone (oxycodone) without any hesitation to get me the fuck out of there
646955;1398677426;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: that's what I was commenting on above, he sounds like an ideal Bitcoin Foundation candidate
646956;1398677572;moiety;BingoBoingo: seriously?!
646957;1398677586;BingoBoingo;moiety: About what?
646958;1398677593;moiety;bitbet
646959;1398677621;mircea_popescu;cazalla nutty.
646960;1398677658;fluffypony;cazalla: so you took the script and sold it on SR?
646961;1398677660;fluffypony;:-P
646962;1398677702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0674425 = 0.1349 BTC [-]
646963;1398677737;mircea_popescu;HeySteve lol that korea customs form rules. "please say if you have any magicks kthx"
646964;1398677753;moiety;cazalla: that's ridiculous, folk like that shouldn't be doctors
646965;1398677768;mircea_popescu;^
646966;1398677856;cazalla;moiety: he was actually struck off this year for getting personal with  a patient heh - http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2167211/court-hears-dapto-doctor-defend-examination/
646967;1398677884;cazalla;there's actually been 3 or 4 doctors struck off for similar things at that place, not that i knew at the time, it was the only place open late
646968;1398677954;mircea_popescu;"A doctor charged with sexually assaulting a patient at Dapto Medical Centre has told a court he took the unusual step of stimulating the woman on his clinic couch after she clamped down on his finger with her private parts, aggravating an injury to his shoulder."
646969;1398678039;moiety;"I had to think of something that would relax her ... I thought I'd stimulate her clitoris to get access to the inside to do that proper examination, hoping that she'd relax." WTF .... a woman that avoided internal exams .... kden thats really going to relax her
646970;1398678075;dub;that deserves stella award
646971;1398678086;moiety;deserves a smack in the face
646972;1398678119;moiety;they have tools for that kind of thing
646973;1398678129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9328 @ 0.00095915 = 8.947 BTC [-] {2} 
646974;1398678190;moiety;one of our locum psychiatrists allegedly propositioned a stripper in her appointment. he actually went to her club and asked for her by name later
646975;1398678206;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: question on the gpg wot
646976;1398678206;mircea_popescu;soooo ?
646977;1398678216;fluffypony;when you import someone's pubkey and set their trust level
646978;1398678218;fluffypony;it updates your keyring
646979;1398678233;fluffypony;how do you push that updated keyring to the keyserver?
646980;1398678248;mircea_popescu;you export their pubkey
646981;1398678249;fluffypony;--send-keys just pushes my key, not the trust level
646982;1398678256;fluffypony;oic
646983;1398678261;mircea_popescu;but... the trust level it's your own
646984;1398678267;moiety;she complained about him and he had to leave. big court case and everything about it.
646985;1398678277;mircea_popescu;anyway, the gpg wot is imo a broken beyond belief implementaiton
646986;1398678283;mircea_popescu;and shouldn't be called a wot in the first place.
646987;1398678294;fluffypony;well they broke it the minute they started having "signing parties" at every con in existence
646988;1398678299;mircea_popescu;moiety wait. stripper complained about customer asking for her by name ?!
646989;1398678300;fluffypony;because that's a great basis for "trust"
646990;1398678301;mircea_popescu;what is she, insane ?
646991;1398678315;moiety;no he wasnt a customer, he was her psychiatrist
646992;1398678327;mircea_popescu;fluffypony early internet people held the idiotic belief that "meeting irl" is some sortt of gold standard.
646993;1398678336;mircea_popescu;hence all the "you wouldn't say that to my face" bs
646994;1398678347;moiety;she was mid-moan about her life and he asked her for a blowjob apparently
646995;1398678352;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: yeah, which was the number 1 reason why I never went to another IRC meet after my first one in 1997
646996;1398678365;mircea_popescu;it's a common mistake of the pompously clueless, and good sister of the entire "trolls are bad for society" mtyh
646997;1398678385;mircea_popescu;moiety heh. so dude was creepy.
646998;1398678392;fluffypony;moiety: she could have transitioned from one type of moan to another
646999;1398678403;fluffypony;and gotten her therapy fees back with interest
647000;1398678403;moiety;i think this was his plan fluffypony
647001;1398678409;mircea_popescu;fluffypony yeah but she was paying so she doesn't have to.
647002;1398678418;fluffypony;werd
647003;1398678428;moiety;mircea_popescu: well he was actually. to everyone. but she was also nuts, so it did make things difficult. he is still working
647004;1398678434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53250 @ 0.00096178 = 51.2148 BTC [+] {5} 
647005;1398678472;mircea_popescu;moiety there's this confusion being peddled, in classic libertard manner, that it's the form rather than the substance. however, in my experience it's absolutely never THE FACT that he propositioned her that is the issue.
647006;1398678481;mircea_popescu;it's just that he sucks, ie, the substance of that proposition.
647007;1398678534;mircea_popescu;otherwise, i've hit on doctors/nurses/people in the street/whoever the fuck. what's the big deal.
647008;1398678632;mircea_popescu;if a society isn't willing to put up with "inappropriate" propositioning, that society will have to put up with specially designated "proposition pens" where everyone's fcking awkward and the whole thing's unpleasant.
647009;1398678637;mircea_popescu;former option much better.
647010;1398678708;moiety;this is true. the problem with him being picking someone that had severe issues around it when he was in a position of trust rather than a nurse/doctor/person in the street
647011;1398678749;fluffypony;lawlz seedcoin: "We have regular contacts with institutional investors, I am not sure how many institutional investors may have expressed a lack of confidence (publicly or to you) in what we do, if they have I would be happy to answer their concerns, but I wished to inform you that the institutional and angel investors we have been in contact with have expressed great confidence in Seedcoin and our support to crypto startups."
647012;1398678749;mircea_popescu;but you're always in a position of trust. this "position of trust" analysis is bollocks. at the very least you trust the random passerby not to mug you.
647013;1398678791;mircea_popescu;tell him my concerns are that he's a fucktard, and ask him to please address them.
647014;1398678797;fluffypony;which was their response to me raising 14 questions on the TagPesa crap they're trying to piddle: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=586230.msg6418858#msg6418858
647015;1398678825;mircea_popescu;curious if he'll go the "o mp is not an institutional investor, because breaking the back of everyone else does not qualify one" or "he said fucktard so i no longer have to listen nao lalalala"
647016;1398678831;mircea_popescu;route
647017;1398679020;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well rather than an institutional investor I've just assumed you've transcended to being the institution
647018;1398679042;mircea_popescu;!up HoreaV
647019;1398679042;assbot;Voicing HoreaV for 30 minutes.
647020;1398679143;moiety;re rtust this is true mircea_popescu but shouldn't you be able to trust your doctor to keep professional at least while in an appointment?
647021;1398679146;moiety;trust*
647022;1398679168;mircea_popescu;why should "professional" exclude flirting ?
647023;1398679195;mircea_popescu;you should be able to trust your doctor not to be unpleasant, of which you are the only judge. and if you don't like him go to another. which is why the free market is important.
647024;1398679199;Naphex;;;rate HoreaV 10 Horea Vuscan of BTCXchange.ro
647025;1398679201;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user HoreaV has been recorded.
647026;1398679236;moiety;asking someone who is crying about their daddy issues to suck your dick isn't flirting tho
647027;1398679236;mircea_popescu;a doctor shouldn't have to follow some ultimately absurd behaviour guidelines, because he's an adult, and a patient should not have to depend that the doctor does follow such, or that they're adequate, because he has no options.
647028;1398679243;mircea_popescu;no argument there.
647029;1398679253;mircea_popescu;but the problem is he sucked, basically.
647030;1398679285;moiety;bottom line. ^ yeah
647031;1398679338;fluffypony;or that he *wanted* to be sucked
647032;1398679345;mircea_popescu;ends up generally misrepresented as "well the problem is he propositioned her". nonsense. the problem is he apparently has the discernment of a five year old.
647033;1398679365;moiety;i did have a female doctor who a patient leave her caseload because she was seen out at a pub on a weekend, which was ridiculous.
647034;1398679403;mircea_popescu;yeah but i mean... patient's call.
647035;1398679440;mircea_popescu;i know women who won't use a male gyn, to their detriment, as male gyns are usually better. but hey, her lyf, her call.
647036;1398679455;moiety;thats often a comfort thing
647037;1398679474;moiety;and yeah we switched around doctors whenever the patients wanted
647038;1398679475;mircea_popescu;kinda why the male gyns are better, too. they don't have one so it's scary on some level.
647039;1398679501;moiety;male midwives get a hard time too
647040;1398679506;mircea_popescu;HoreaV hey there ?
647041;1398679520;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot davide
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647043;1398679581;HoreaV;mircea_popescu: hey back, Naphex is still setting me up with the console and explaining. i'll be done in a sec
647044;1398679588;mircea_popescu;cool.
647045;1398679693;mircea_popescu;%t
647046;1398679694;atcbot;[X-BT] Bid: 155 Ask: 200 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 1715k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 187
647047;1398679735;HoreaV;;;rate Naphex 10 Best programmer that i ever worked with. Cofounder at BTCXchange.ro
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647051;1398679837;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00095596 = 29.2524 BTC [-] {2} 
647052;1398680081;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0045101 = 0.451 BTC [-]
647053;1398680634;cazalla;moiety: didn't see any male midwives while my wife was in hospital (private), i wouldn't mind being a lactation consultant, it was pretty sweet watching the younger ones caress the missus' tits for milk :P
647054;1398680874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23050 @ 0.00096077 = 22.1457 BTC [+] {2} 
647055;1398680935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00096436 = 44.2159 BTC [+] {5} 
647056;1398681077;mircea_popescu;wao hey, can you send me a shipment of those copper rounds ?
647057;1398683497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17935 @ 0.00096269 = 17.2658 BTC [-] {3} 
647058;1398684107;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00096043 = 21.1295 BTC [-] {2} 
647059;1398684534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00096515 = 11.7748 BTC [+] {2} 
647060;1398684656;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06724331 = 0.6724 BTC [-]
647061;1398685449;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06724331 = 0.1345 BTC [-]
647062;1398685693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 53 @ 0.0075 = 0.3975 BTC [+]
647063;1398686303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00096572 = 11.2506 BTC [+] {2} 
647064;1398686547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00096609 = 14.8778 BTC [+] {2} 
647065;1398686669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00096346 = 18.3057 BTC [-]
647066;1398687279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00096624 = 16.8126 BTC [+] {2} 
647067;1398687401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51123251 = 1.0225 BTC [+] {2} 
647068;1398687462;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51199998 BTC [+]
647069;1398687523;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0046345 = 0.4635 BTC [+]
647070;1398687950;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06724331 = 0.2017 BTC [-]
647071;1398688194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0345 = 0.138 BTC [+]
647072;1398688316;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03450588 = 0.2415 BTC [+] {3} 
647073;1398688377;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0409979 = 0.123 BTC [+] {3} 
647074;1398688438;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03450687 = 0.1035 BTC [+]
647075;1398688499;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0409979 = 0.205 BTC [+] {2} 
647076;1398688560;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0409979 = 0.41 BTC [+] {4} 
647077;1398688621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0409979 = 0.287 BTC [+] {3} 
647078;1398688682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0409979 = 0.205 BTC [+] {4} 
647079;1398688743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.04099792 = 0.369 BTC [+] {5} 
647080;1398688865;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04099999 = 0.123 BTC [+] {2} 
647081;1398688867;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
647082;1398688868;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.0009663 = 24.6407 BTC [+] {3} 
647083;1398689109;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00445218 = 0.1069 BTC [+] {2} 
647084;1398689110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00096646 = 11.9358 BTC [+]
647085;1398689658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.00096636 = 45.9987 BTC [-] {4} 
647086;1398690573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4768 @ 0.0009666 = 4.6087 BTC [+]
647087;1398690659;fluffypony;http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-28/
647088;1398690707;kakobrekla;since you are here fluffypony , re this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587244.msg6434861#msg6434861
647089;1398690720;kakobrekla;you might as well link them: http://trilema.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/
647090;1398690768;fluffypony;kakobrekla: I've actually got another blog post that is just waiting for April results, I'll include a link to that in it
647091;1398690823;kakobrekla;aha
647092;1398690887;pankkake;it even mentions AsicMiner, so humble of MP
647093;1398690909;fluffypony;kakobrekla: does blogs.bitcoin-assets.com auto-update or is it manual?
647094;1398690918;pankkake;I'm the one running it
647095;1398690919;*;fluffypony nearly said manul and was waiting for moiety to show up
647096;1398690922;pankkake;and it's every 37 minutes or so
647097;1398690923;fluffypony;oic oic
647098;1398690978;pankkake;I might do it more, I didn't want to hammer your blogs too much, but it's actually quite smart (it checks the last modified date of the rss if it can provide one)
647099;1398690999;pankkake;next step is a bot to notify of new posts
647100;1398691005;fluffypony;nice
647101;1398691029;fluffypony;maybe assbot should poll the rss feed to watch for changes?
647102;1398691131;kakobrekla;pankkake  do you run a cronjob there or is that site built on the fly
647103;1398691143;kakobrekla;ah right
647104;1398691144;pankkake;it's a cron, so everything is static
647105;1398691146;kakobrekla;37 minuts
647106;1398691152;*;kakobrekla should read moar
647107;1398691187;pankkake;it was 42 minutes. I'm changing to 7 :)
647108;1398691197;kakobrekla;well how about you post a new post notification to me?
647109;1398691399;pankkake;I'm looking at how I can do that with venus (the tool I use to build blogs.b-a). the sending to irc part is easy, I already have a dumb bot for that
647110;1398691486;pankkake;otherwise I'll do it with a RSS parser I know, which already handles the "is this thing new" aspect
647111;1398691507;pankkake;but if I can avoid polling myself…
647112;1398691523;kakobrekla;i can make assbot polll
647113;1398691540;kakobrekla;its not ideal but yea
647114;1398691545;kakobrekla;json would been better
647115;1398691549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33329 @ 0.00096692 = 32.2265 BTC [+] {3} 
647116;1398691653;HeySteve;RyS eh
647117;1398691680;fluffypony;rys?
647118;1398691806;HeySteve;from the thread you link, rethink your strategy
647119;1398691850;fluffypony;oh yes
647120;1398691859;fluffypony;that thread got really trashy
647121;1398691888;fluffypony;still a fun read
647122;1398691892;HeySteve;heh OP started it that way
647123;1398691955;fluffypony;yeah, I love how at the end he's like "I'm going to litecointalk!"
647124;1398691965;fluffypony;as if that's a bastion of legitimacy :-P
647125;1398691973;pankkake;he got really really mad
647126;1398691980;HeySteve;people should start with businesses they can achieve with their own resources
647127;1398691992;pankkake;that crumbs guy is a hero
647128;1398691998;HeySteve;seeking funding for My First Bizniz is not credible
647129;1398692013;pankkake;HeySteve: and in most cases, those things don't even need the funding they ask…
647130;1398692035;fluffypony;yeah, that's why I keep asking for them to justify the expense
647131;1398692042;fluffypony;show me 1 calculation with sub-totals
647132;1398693013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00096591 = 24.8239 BTC [-]
647133;1398694294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00096941 = 15.0259 BTC [+] {2} 
647134;1398694874;thestringpuller;;;google change clothes and go
647135;1398694874;gribble;JAY-Z - Change Clothes ft. Pharrell - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6G1uwe20wg>; Jay Z – Change Clothes Lyrics | Rap Genius: <http://rapgenius.com/Jay-z-change-clothes-lyrics>; JAY-Z LYRICS - Change Clothes: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jayz/changeclothes.html>
647136;1398694911;BCB;who runs Cryptostocks.com
647137;1398694936;thestringpuller;;;ident
647138;1398694936;gribble;Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
647139;1398694947;thestringpuller;BCB: does it not say on the site?
647140;1398694951;thestringpuller;lol
647141;1398694958;BCB;anonymous registration
647142;1398694961;BCB;I never heard of htem
647143;1398694962;BCB;them
647144;1398694965;BCB;you
647145;1398694970;thestringpuller;never used them
647146;1398694978;BCB;anyone know Vircurex
647147;1398694980;pankkake;BCB: a guy named kumala
647148;1398694990;thestringpuller;vircurex is canadian no?
647149;1398694992;BCB;pankkake: who is kumala
647150;1398694995;BCB;thestringpuller: eys
647151;1398694997;BCB;yes
647152;1398695003;BCB;what about havelock investments
647153;1398695004;pankkake;no idea, besides a bitcointalk username
647154;1398695250;thestringpuller;so havelock is definitely in scam territory now?
647155;1398695255;thestringpuller;good thing i vacated
647156;1398695264;thestringpuller;!last h b.mine
647157;1398695264;assbot;Last trade for B.MINE on HAVELOCK was at 0.034 BTC [-]
647158;1398695336;fluffypony;pankkake: is the rss poll broken? my most recent blog post isn't showing up
647159;1398695362;thestringpuller;fluffypony don't use rss then
647160;1398695367;thestringpuller;>::P
647161;1398695378;fluffypony;thestringpuller: I meant his poll to my rss feed :)
647162;1398695409;thestringpuller;you're a special one aren't you?
647163;1398695429;pankkake;I see "How to fail gracefully as a Bitcoin business"
647164;1398695437;fluffypony;OH
647165;1398695440;fluffypony;it's at the bottom
647166;1398695441;fluffypony;see it
647167;1398695442;fluffypony;tks :)
647168;1398695449;*;fluffypony needs more coffee
647169;1398695492;pankkake;but I've had an instance of it not updating trilema, so maybe it wasn't there earlier
647170;1398695601;BCB;thestringpullerso havelock is definitely in scam territory now? << Why do you say that
647171;1398696795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00096701 = 10.4921 BTC [-]
647172;1398696978;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00096601 = 11.2057 BTC [-] {2} 
647173;1398697588;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9916 @ 0.00096942 = 9.6128 BTC [+]
647174;1398698066;thestringpuller;because it is doing untrustworthy things
647175;1398698259;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1006 @ 0.001 = 1.006 BTC {3} 
647176;1398698381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 190 @ 0.001 = 0.19 BTC
647177;1398698504;mike_c;;;seen davout
647178;1398698504;gribble;davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <davout> random_cat: wet pussies are the consequence of so much log, not the other way around
647179;1398698528;fluffypony;he was here earlier
647180;1398698538;fluffypony;quit like an hour ago
647181;1398698548;mike_c;no x.eur's for sale.
647182;1398698591;pankkake;maybe there is an eur shortage
647183;1398698617;kakobrekla;ha-ha!
647184;1398698875;Naphex;kakobrekla: is there a list / help of assbot commands?
647185;1398698892;mike_c;!help
647186;1398698892;assbot;List of commands:
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647188;1398698894;assbot;!up <nick> (desc: sending it on chan will give <nick> voice for 30 minutes)
647189;1398698895;assbot;!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
647190;1398698896;assbot;!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
647191;1398698897;assbot;!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
647192;1398698898;assbot;!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
647193;1398698899;assbot;!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
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647195;1398698901;assbot;!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
647196;1398698902;assbot;!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
647197;1398698903;kakobrekla;nooooooooo!!!111
647198;1398698910;mike_c;assbot please send donation
647199;1398698911;Naphex;;]
647200;1398698912;kakobrekla;!help mike_c
647201;1398698912;assbot;List of commands:
647202;1398698913;assbot;!up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)
647203;1398698914;assbot;!up <nick> (desc: sending it on chan will give <nick> voice for 30 minutes)
647204;1398698915;assbot;!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
647205;1398698916;assbot;!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
647206;1398698917;assbot;!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
647207;1398698918;assbot;!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
647208;1398698919;assbot;!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
647209;1398698920;assbot;!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
647210;1398698921;assbot;!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
647211;1398698922;assbot;!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
647212;1398698923;kakobrekla;fuck
647213;1398698923;kakobrekla;doenst that work
647214;1398698925;kakobrekla;:(
647215;1398698927;mike_c;assbot please send two donations
647216;1398698934;kakobrekla;lel
647217;1398698937;Naphex;probably should reply that with privmsg/notice
647218;1398698938;Naphex;:P
647219;1398698957;kakobrekla;yes i think it does under some circumstance
647220;1398698989;Naphex;is that an eggbot? or some standalone?
647221;1398698989;mike_c;assbot has to keep up with mp's line count somehow
647222;1398699030;kakobrekla;its a thing i made many years ago Naphex
647223;1398699203;pankkake;reply in notice on !up would be nice too, because I just /msg the bot, and the reply opens a query
647224;1398699418;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17430 @ 0.00097148 = 16.9329 BTC [+]
647225;1398699662;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC
647226;1398699784;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 629 @ 0.001 = 0.629 BTC
647227;1398699906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00097131 = 24.1371 BTC [-] {3} 
647228;1398700080;mike_c;kakobrekla, would it be troublesome to add a primary key to http://bit4x.com/panacea/history/?  seems to me there isn't a reliable way to determine uniqueness.  you could very well have two trades with the same.. everything.
647229;1398700150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC
647230;1398700152;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 350 @ 0.001 = 0.35 BTC
647231;1398700173;kakobrekla;myea thats a point
647232;1398700272;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 295 @ 0.00082074 = 0.2421 BTC [-] {3} 
647233;1398700394;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0075 = 0.3375 BTC [+]
647234;1398700638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 54 @ 0.00316148 = 0.1707 BTC [-] {3} 
647235;1398700699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 411 @ 0.00079972 = 0.3287 BTC [-] {5} 
647236;1398700821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00096654 = 14.2565 BTC [-]
647237;1398700893;mike_c;;;later tell hanbot one easy way for PIF bitbets to be publicly auditable would be to use the same out address for all the bets.  is that the plan?
647238;1398700894;gribble;The operation succeeded.
647239;1398700924;pankkake;*MPIF
647240;1398700960;mike_c;i can't stop calling it pif.  two syllables is one too many.
647241;1398701065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
647242;1398701069;mike_c;BingoBoingo's is going to be hardest to track.
647243;1398701154;fluffypony;piffy?
647244;1398701178;thestringpuller;;;seen mod6
647245;1398701179;gribble;mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 hours, 20 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <mod6> thx artifexd :)
647246;1398701579;Naphex;so in my offtime i'm implementing a decent notification system in bitcoin core
647247;1398701598;Naphex;and i was getting into posting the messages and thinking
647248;1398701611;Naphex;for a first implementation do notification with:
647249;1398701640;Naphex;A. UNIX Socket / Local Socket - Connect to it, start broadcasting notifications
647250;1398701675;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 410 @ 0.001 = 0.41 BTC
647251;1398701677;Naphex;B. JSON-NP Callbacks - For easier integration with current systems
647252;1398701686;kakobrekla;this ? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2861
647253;1398701723;Naphex;whats that? - first look is just watch only
647254;1398701743;kakobrekla;arent you doing watch only notif
647255;1398701785;artifexd;Naphex: If you're interested, conformal's btcd already has websockets available and extending it is almost trivial.
647256;1398701818;Naphex;artifexd: thanks, but implementing this in bitcoin core.
647257;1398701825;Naphex;for the exchange i use something else entierly
647258;1398701839;Naphex;this is not related, just offtime stuff
647259;1398701857;Naphex;i wouldn't do websockets in it, too much overhead for bitcoin
647260;1398701880;artifexd;Have fun and good luck
647261;1398701895;Naphex;what's the luck for?:P
647262;1398701992;danielpbarron;what is an appropriate operating system on which to run an offline wallet?
647263;1398702020;danielpbarron;(linux -- which one?, bsd? )
647264;1398702126;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: this is where I slap you
647265;1398702134;danielpbarron;please do
647266;1398702162;thestringpuller;in all seriousness you shouldn't haven't have a full wallet on a computer
647267;1398702174;thestringpuller;generate addresses offline print them on paper
647268;1398702180;thestringpuller;send coins to the paper wallets
647269;1398702187;thestringpuller;store wallets in safety deposit boxes
647270;1398702191;thestringpuller;with backups in europe and asia
647271;1398702209;danielpbarron;ugh
647272;1398702212;thestringpuller;maybe have your most trusted body guard/head of security hold one
647273;1398702229;danielpbarron;already do that
647274;1398702239;danielpbarron;i want to do offline transaction signing
647275;1398702241;artifexd;thestringpuller: You are describing cold storage. It sounds like danielpbarron is looking for warm storage.
647276;1398702248;danielpbarron;i want to be able to make multi-sig transactions
647277;1398702285;artifexd;Cold, warm, hot. They all have their place.
647278;1398702301;danielpbarron;unless someone can explain to me why that isn't necessary and that I'm going at this all wrong
647279;1398702333;thestringpuller;lol you want to sign a transaction offline then transmit it to the nodes whenever?
647280;1398702344;thestringpuller;isn't there trusted software for that by now?
647281;1398702352;danielpbarron;that's what i'm asking
647282;1398702407;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 134 @ 0.001 = 0.134 BTC
647283;1398702422;dexX7;hmm.. so gribble and assbot had some troubles identifying me with another nick: http://dpaste.com/1801925/
647284;1398702470;Naphex;danielpbarron: linux would be fine, but make sure you don't run other stuff
647285;1398702476;Naphex;and keep it clean and bare
647286;1398702480;danielpbarron;which distro?
647287;1398702497;Naphex;i'd go with gentoo, but whatever is fine
647288;1398702497;danielpbarron;i'm already familiar with debian based, but i've also done gentoo
647289;1398702501;Naphex;whatever you can install the cleanest
647290;1398702514;danielpbarron;gentoo was harder but much nicer when done
647291;1398702521;Naphex;make sure you use filesystem encryption as well
647292;1398702542;danielpbarron;what about the bsd variant to which MP donated
647293;1398702548;thestringpuller;freebsd?
647294;1398702549;Naphex;to ward off any physical attacks like physical hdd theft
647295;1398702553;fluffypony;OpenBSD
647296;1398702554;thestringpuller;ask mod6 bout dat
647297;1398702554;danielpbarron;idk
647298;1398702564;Naphex;you can use whatever you want, except windows
647299;1398702573;Naphex;but keep it clean, and only run what you need - bare
647300;1398702580;dexX7;anyway. Naphex: i did only follow the last lines, so i'm not 100 % sure, if your intention is clear to me -- if you are looking for a simple solution to establish some kind of "bitcoin based event notification system", you may use the (redirected) debug output as basis which could be parsed and processed further
647301;1398702586;danielpbarron;lol wouldn't dream of it (haven't used windows in years)
647302;1398702590;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 400 @ 0.0075 = 3 BTC [+]
647303;1398702592;Naphex;firewall with blacklist everything, only whitelist what you know
647304;1398702602;Naphex;and make sure you only accept validated messages, before hitting your software
647305;1398702617;danielpbarron;not necessary right, the machine has no ethernet devices
647306;1398702628;Naphex;dexX7: yes but i want something more clear cut, that can scale
647307;1398702650;kakobrekla;dexX7 yea taht could be fixed but it would break the neatness of the design :)
647308;1398702651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14457 @ 0.00096643 = 13.9717 BTC [-] {2} 
647309;1398702652;danielpbarron;or is that incase someone takes the machine and installs ethernet?
647310;1398702674;Naphex;danielpbarron: dexX7 i'm thinking like listen to a port/unix socket
647311;1398702712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16889 @ 0.00096524 = 16.3019 BTC [-] {3} 
647312;1398702716;dexX7;as source for the data?
647313;1398702735;Naphex;connect to it, and broadcast notifications through it
647314;1398702736;dexX7;aka you want to rebuild a bitcoin client?
647315;1398702749;Naphex;either that or in reverse, where it connects to a aggregate server, and that just runs pubsub
647316;1398702767;Naphex;yes i forked current master, and 0.9.1
647317;1398702803;dexX7;mind to share a link?
647318;1398702825;Naphex;its private atm, not on any service. just dirty git clone
647319;1398702832;Naphex;i will when there is something working
647320;1398702838;Naphex;even if its not final version
647321;1398702860;Naphex;but what i'm thinking is just a notification system for BitcoinD clusters, track txid's, addresses and confirmations
647322;1398702864;thestringpuller;Naphex: like what?
647323;1398702876;thestringpuller;offline wallet can't touch net even on firewall part
647324;1398702890;thestringpuller;you can't trust the TCP/IP stack
647325;1398702913;Naphex;uh, what's that related to?
647326;1398702927;Naphex;for notifications?
647327;1398702933;thestringpuller;for anything
647328;1398702949;thestringpuller;the firewall shouldn't talk to other machines with your "airgapped" software
647329;1398702958;thestringpuller;cause what you're describing is a semi-permeable airgap
647330;1398702959;dexX7;ah np, just trying to understand your approach. at which point do you fetch and process incoming information?
647331;1398702989;Naphex;thestringpuller: there are hot wallets and cold ones
647332;1398703017;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 360 @ 0.001 = 0.36 BTC
647333;1398703023;Naphex;if your hot wallet serves based on verified, signed messages, wheter HMAC or whatever, i'd say its pretty fine.
647334;1398703073;thestringpuller;depends on the transaction volume
647335;1398703075;Naphex;you trust the sig
647336;1398703121;Naphex;thestringpuller:  for example, current hot wallet software
647337;1398703130;Naphex;won't accept any messages, whatever the source or trust
647338;1398703135;Naphex;if the user's OTP is not valid
647339;1398703158;Naphex;now OTP can be, Email / YubiKey -> GPG, Bitcoin signature
647340;1398703193;Naphex;now the users have that secret, so an intruder couldn't do much without user secrets
647341;1398703201;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
647342;1398703243;Naphex;even if an attackers gets through mostly everything undetected
647343;1398703246;Naphex;its a dead end
647344;1398703278;thestringpuller;so you keep the keyring hot?
647345;1398703281;thestringpuller;that's all that matters
647346;1398703319;Naphex;only the hot wallets
647347;1398703325;thestringpuller;uh no
647348;1398703326;Naphex;which are hot by design
647349;1398703338;thestringpuller;there is an implementation of hot wallets that don't require the key ring to touch the internet
647350;1398703374;Naphex;for incoming or outgoing?
647351;1398703382;thestringpuller;outgoing
647352;1398703383;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 193 @ 0.0013501 = 0.2606 BTC [+]
647353;1398703420;Naphex;so you want to sign transactions offline?
647354;1398703444;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 540 @ 0.00135202 = 0.7301 BTC [+]
647355;1398703445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1030 @ 0.001 = 1.03 BTC {2} 
647356;1398703463;thestringpuller;why wouldn't you?
647357;1398703480;Naphex;why would i when i want a hot instant wallet?
647358;1398703510;thestringpuller;why do you want a hot instant wallet?
647359;1398703522;Naphex;so clients can withdraw in an instant
647360;1398703524;Naphex;they want it too
647361;1398703558;thestringpuller;...
647362;1398703569;thestringpuller;this is where I rage quit like pankkake
647363;1398703573;Naphex;:))
647364;1398703591;Naphex;look, you can secure servers and keep stuff secure. now i'm not saying run everything hot
647365;1398703602;Naphex;but you can always keep i.e 10 BTC out of 1000 HOT
647366;1398703614;Naphex;and run everything else cold, you can even run deposits cold
647367;1398703624;Naphex;but wait 5mins on a withdrawal, and you're gonna get an email
647368;1398703627;Naphex;after a phone call
647369;1398703631;thestringpuller;no you're not
647370;1398703633;danielpbarron;what's more secure; using a machine that was set up before Bitcoin existed and hasn't been updated since; or a totally fresh install?
647371;1398703642;thestringpuller;mpex investors have to wait sometimes up to 24hours for withdrawals
647372;1398703650;mike_c;hm, JD seems to be down.
647373;1398703660;pankkake;thestringpuller: :o)
647374;1398703662;Naphex;thestringpuller: well thats their priviledge
647375;1398703686;Naphex;mean while, Joe Giner wants his 0.2 btc that he just bought out now
647376;1398703691;Naphex;so he can do whatever with it
647377;1398703697;thestringpuller;Joe Giner isn't worth a security breach
647378;1398703701;Naphex;maybe buy some Google Play Giftcards
647379;1398703705;pankkake;if the machine is really offline even Windows ME should be fine!
647380;1398703719;danielpbarron;what about random number generation?
647381;1398703729;pankkake;good point
647382;1398703741;Naphex;thestringpuller: honestly if you have a well designed system, that gets breached and you get ninja'd out of the 10 hotwallet BTC
647383;1398703746;Naphex;it was probably worth it
647384;1398703752;Naphex;and you can get it out of your pocket
647385;1398703753;thestringpuller;no, it wasn't
647386;1398703770;thestringpuller;MPEx has lost 0 BTC of investor funds.
647387;1398703784;thestringpuller;please direct me to another facility of such high standards.
647388;1398703789;Naphex;i haven't lost 1 satoshi yet
647389;1398703801;benkay;"yet"
647390;1398703811;Naphex;well put it like this
647391;1398703826;Naphex;the most sophisticated attacker, will need user secrets to get whatever they have
647392;1398703837;Naphex;or break HMAC-SHA256
647393;1398703872;thestringpuller;or they can dump unencrypted memory with a 0 day exploit you have no idea about yet trust your system completely
647394;1398703879;thestringpuller;because you've audited all 100% of the code oyu're running
647395;1398703892;Naphex;they can't
647396;1398703906;Naphex;server can only get clean, hard messages
647397;1398703917;Naphex;everything else gets dunked a long way from there
647398;1398703937;benkay;tbh it's an arch i'm interested in, Naphex
647399;1398703948;benkay;what does the message look like?
647400;1398703970;Naphex;MESSAGE-DATA:UUID:SIGNATURE:OTP
647401;1398703977;Naphex;for example
647402;1398703988;Naphex;TIMESTAMP/MICRO:MESSAGE-DATA:UUID:SIGNATURE:OTP
647403;1398703991;Naphex;forgot that :P
647404;1398704009;Naphex;signature is hmac-sha256 with secret, from field 1 to uuid
647405;1398704031;pankkake;you never know where security bugs are
647406;1398704036;Naphex;OTP - is otp released to the client, by levels email yubikey/gpg/ - whatever
647407;1398704065;Naphex;messages will only be fowarded by firewalls/load balancers/proxy whatever. only if valid clean message
647408;1398704084;Naphex;so lets say, max length 120, valid checksum, valid message
647409;1398704091;benkay;are you just eval'ing those funcalls when you get 'em?
647410;1398704092;Naphex;then server checks signature, then checks otp
647411;1398704117;Naphex;i have state-full firewalls that know the protocol before
647412;1398704135;Naphex;and they check and validate the protocol and messages before
647413;1398704153;Naphex;just to make sure they are clean, and no 0 day can travell till the end
647414;1398704176;mike_c;mpex actually did lose some investor funds according to rota :)
647415;1398704190;thestringpuller;mike_c: good point ;) man that was a long time ago
647416;1398704275;asciilifeform;gotta ask, what's the basis for trusting 'yubikey' ?
647417;1398704320;Naphex;asciilifeform:  i trust them mostly, but the security level is chosen by the client. so if client trusts yubi, then it trusts yubi validation servers
647418;1398704331;Naphex;i will soon be implementing GPG OTP
647419;1398704333;Naphex;so there
647420;1398704336;asciilifeform;the hardware.
647421;1398704368;asciilifeform;afaik - as closed as it gets
647422;1398704404;Naphex;asciilifeform: http://static.yubico.com/var/uploads/pdfs/Security%20Evaluation%202_0_1.pdf
647423;1398704420;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.70729420 BTC to 7`514 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
647424;1398704421;Naphex;i'd recommend the system over gauth
647425;1398704444;Naphex;and you don't have to keep the secret keys for it
647426;1398704452;asciilifeform;Naphex: what can we tell from this marketing brochure?
647427;1398704460;asciilifeform;i see no description of the internals.
647428;1398704526;Naphex;of the hardware?
647429;1398704533;asciilifeform;correct
647430;1398704593;Naphex;doubt their open
647431;1398704600;asciilifeform;they're not.
647432;1398704604;Naphex;but the software is, and there are some yubi software generators around
647433;1398704622;thestringpuller;what's the point of 2 factor?
647434;1398704626;asciilifeform;the hardware makes a promise.
647435;1398704634;asciilifeform;we cannot see if the promise is kept
647436;1398704642;jurov;thestringpuller: mpex did lose few bitcoins due to human errors, don't paint mp as saint
647437;1398704678;jurov;manual process does have disavantages, too
647438;1398704713;thestringpuller;true but far less than say bitcoinica
647439;1398704730;Naphex;i use a yubikey neo, and i'm pretty happy with it
647440;1398704735;Naphex;i don't place maxtrust on it
647441;1398704740;Naphex;but it's a level above
647442;1398704762;Naphex;don't place maxtrust(TM) on anything though :)
647443;1398704774;asciilifeform;it's never a question of 'maxtrust'
647444;1398704883;asciilifeform;for instance, what measures, if any, against 'differential power analysis' in yubikey?
647445;1398704888;fluffypony;on the topic of SeedCoin: http://bitcoin-betting-guide.com/james-cannings-blog/seedcoin-fund-i-update-no-gocoin-what-next/
647446;1398704903;asciilifeform;the closed aspect suggests, 'none'
647447;1398704980;jurov;thestringpuller: burnside (of btct) trolled coinbr hard, because mpex keys are online
647448;1398705001;jurov;but they must be somehow online for ppl to be able to trade
647449;1398705015;thestringpuller;offline/online
647450;1398705016;benkay;fluffypony: you missed the conversation where we mocked sfi for just listing a bunch of other people's projects on their havelock page.
647451;1398705020;thestringpuller;sorry misreading your sentence
647452;1398705026;pankkake;well, GPG allows you to be partially online
647453;1398705029;fluffypony;benkay: yeah the whole thing is a joke
647454;1398705032;Naphex;asciilifeform: are you sugesting DPA could be use in retriving yubikey secret?
647455;1398705033;pankkake;unless it signs with the main key
647456;1398705041;Naphex;which you would need to generate a valid otp
647457;1398705052;asciilifeform;Naphex: for instance.
647458;1398705067;fluffypony;benkay: did you see their reply to my TagPesa questions? they're all shock and horror that I suggested that institutional investors and even casual observers aren't impressed with them
647459;1398705103;kakobrekla;mike_c : http://bit4x.com/panacea/history/ < dis ok? note the csv url is different nao
647460;1398705107;benkay;i saw something to the effect in the logs. tbqf i don't in2 drama.
647461;1398705126;asciilifeform;a closed gadget suggests that there is something to be gained from learning what has been kept closed.
647462;1398705287;mike_c;kakobrekla: perfect, thanks.
647463;1398705315;Naphex;asciilifeform: https://www.emsec.rub.de/media/crypto/veroeffentlichungen/2014/02/04/paper_yubikey_sca.pdf apperantly it got sca'd some time ago
647464;1398705345;Naphex;Having discovered the security problem, before publication, we contacted the
647465;1398705346;asciilifeform;there we go.
647466;1398705348;Naphex;vendor Yubico as mentioned before. Yubico acknowledged our results and has
647467;1398705351;Naphex;taken measures to mitigate the security issues. We examined an updated �rmware
647468;1398705354;Naphex;(version 2.4) and found that our attacks do not apply to this improved version.
647469;1398705386;Naphex;so yeah they had to tape the button
647470;1398705396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9573 @ 0.0009692 = 9.2782 BTC [+]
647471;1398705452;asciilifeform;interesting lack of detail about vendor's response.
647472;1398705466;Naphex;there is a response bit more down
647473;1398705476;Naphex;something about NEO and STANDARD were unaffected because OATH
647474;1398705553;asciilifeform;that's a response?
647475;1398705762;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 405 @ 0.001 = 0.405 BTC
647476;1398705834;Naphex;guess so, still.. you'd still need the button pressed
647477;1398705836;Naphex;or taped
647478;1398705862;Naphex;so a backdoor /trojan wouldn't get it without a huge sample size
647479;1398705897;Naphex;i'm not trumpeting yubikey, but i don't know of a better OTP atm
647480;1398705949;asciilifeform;nothing to do with trojans
647481;1398705960;asciilifeform;the device comes with not one but two gestures of bad faith
647482;1398705964;asciilifeform;i.e. - close,
647483;1398705981;asciilifeform;and undertakes to solve a problem to which there can be no solution
647484;1398705990;asciilifeform;*closed
647485;1398706011;Naphex;well, i just use it as a solution for OTP without handling private keys
647486;1398706028;asciilifeform;you're still handling private keys
647487;1398706030;Naphex;for GAuth you gotta transport the secret to the user
647488;1398706033;asciilifeform;just in a box
647489;1398706047;asciilifeform;that is decorated with alchemical symbols, in order to seem impenetrable to naive buyer
647490;1398706098;Naphex;you're not handling the private keys since you can just check yubico servers
647491;1398706099;asciilifeform;you gotta transport the secret to the user << did i wake up today in a parallel universe where public-key crypto was never invented ?
647492;1398706105;Naphex;you only need client's pubkey
647493;1398706173;Naphex;asciilifeform: still protecting Gauth secret ruins the whole point
647494;1398706183;Naphex;if i have to deliver DH/GPG secret to the client for GAuth
647495;1398706203;Naphex;to just have it on the phone / or cached or who knows what
647496;1398706232;Naphex;i'd just stop ther eand request gpg auth:P
647497;1398706250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3572 @ 0.0009692 = 3.462 BTC [+]
647498;1398706250;asciilifeform;take minute to think, what is yubi hiding, when refusing to publish the design ?
647499;1398706364;*;Naphex unplugs yubikey out :)
647500;1398706411;Naphex;well - a completly open OTP token, with hardware for sale would make a killin'
647501;1398706414;Naphex;i'd buy one
647502;1398706748;Naphex;;;rate 1 asciilifeform NSA Should make a open OTP Token ;]
647503;1398706748;gribble;Error: Spurious "]".  You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
647504;1398706752;Naphex;;;rate 1 asciilifeform NSA Should make a open OTP Token
647505;1398706752;gribble;Error: 'asciilifeform' is not a valid integer.
647506;1398706756;Naphex;psh
647507;1398706767;Naphex;;;rate asciilifeform 1 NSA Should make a open OTP Token
647508;1398706768;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.
647509;1398706775;Naphex;noob me, forgeting syntax
647510;1398706795;kakobrekla;Naphex forget it, he is busy with the sub
647511;1398706809;pankkake;;;rate asciilifeform 1 makes the best tinfoil hats
647512;1398706811;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user asciilifeform has changed from 1 to 1.
647513;1398706831;asciilifeform;Naphex: 'cardano' could in principle be used as 'token.' but you gotta understand the difference between what yubi promises and what honest people can actually physically achieve
647514;1398706855;asciilifeform;ed felten's words, 'try to make a safe that can be left in burglar's living room' sums up the issue
647515;1398706863;benkay;what does yubi nominally promise?
647516;1398706886;asciilifeform;benkay: it promises that a private key can be sent in the post, left plugged in at wiring closet, etc. without danger.
647517;1398706898;benkay;hue
647518;1398706920;benkay;I WOULD LIKE A CARDANO PLZ
647519;1398706934;diametric;me too
647520;1398706939;Naphex;for me it promises a OTP, from the user. which i can validate without holding a secret
647521;1398706982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 32 @ 0.00709698 = 0.2271 BTC [-] {5} 
647522;1398707003;asciilifeform;Naphex: what i'm trying to get across is that a fellow with yubikey in his pocket is, in fact, 'holding a secret'
647523;1398707013;Naphex;and OTP just removes the risk of insider/intrusion that can just spam hotwallet servers or trade messages with withdrawals
647524;1398707017;asciilifeform;even if a con artist has fooled him into thinking otherwise
647525;1398707032;Naphex;asciilifeform: i'm talking from a server end point, i don't have to keep user secret. just public key
647526;1398707056;Naphex;so user gives me yubi pub key, and then shoots OTP
647527;1398707063;Naphex;i validate OTP against yubiservers
647528;1398707099;asciilifeform;since no one groks, looks like i'll have to 'draw a picture.'
647529;1398707114;asciilifeform;extraction of yubi internal key by the postman isn't the only interesting scenario
647530;1398707120;asciilifeform;vendor has the key.
647531;1398707133;asciilifeform;does he need to? the way it is designed - yes
647532;1398707149;artifexd;If it makes a difference, yubikey's internal slots are client writable.
647533;1398707189;Naphex;true, but my risk is still reduced, that an attacker/breacher would have to have private keys leaked, have user secrets, and have user email, and penetrate hard within infrastructure without detection, to nab some satoshi from the hot wallet
647534;1398707193;asciilifeform;likewise, given closed design, user has no way of knowing if yubi tosses a few bits of key into each signature nonce
647535;1398707194;asciilifeform;etc
647536;1398707195;benkay;can't vet the thing's behavior, artifexd. might as well be squirting things written to those slots back home.
647537;1398707237;Naphex;some risk reduction is worth it, even if not bulletproof in all theoretical/practical/NSA cases
647538;1398707271;asciilifeform;you don't need an army and navy to pwn yubi users. just a little bit of cooperation from the vendor.
647539;1398707280;Naphex;at least some 0 day or insider, or whatever breaches deep enough to issue withdrawal messages
647540;1398707289;asciilifeform;in that respect, it is exactly like other seekoority snake oil products.
647541;1398707290;Naphex;it still needs that stuff to do damage
647542;1398707291;artifexd;The point was that, instead of reading the key, an attacker could put his own key in there since he supposedly has access to the device prior to the client getting it.  Also, the client could generate and insert is own keys thus destroying the attacker's advantage.
647543;1398707327;Naphex;you don't have to go that deep
647544;1398707330;artifexd;That may, or may not, invalidate the ability to use yubikey's servers though. I don't know.
647545;1398707354;asciilifeform;all of the traditional crapola is present. enforced and perpetual dependence on the vendor, for example.
647546;1398707361;kakobrekla;gox loaded yubis with their keys so the keys were locked to gox use only
647547;1398707364;Naphex;you can just realtime phish or sniff/block otp
647548;1398707381;Naphex;but that attack needs to be targeted
647549;1398707416;Naphex;and gox had the keys
647550;1398707437;asciilifeform;fact is, any secret key generated outside of your home should be assumed to be in enemy hands at birth.
647551;1398707472;Naphex;of course
647552;1398707484;benkay;all of a sudden i'm struck by the notion that the only good withdrawal message is one gpg-signed by the withdrawing party.
647553;1398707504;Naphex;said signer can still leak his keyphrase and key
647554;1398707517;Naphex;so..
647555;1398707518;benkay;not holding party's problem, though.
647556;1398707540;asciilifeform;yubi, by all indications, is designed to resist any attempt to determine whether it leaks key. therefore i must assume that it does.
647557;1398707638;artifexd;benkay If the yubikey registers as a keyboard, how can it access the network?
647558;1398707675;artifexd;It can certainly be loaded on an airgapped machine.
647559;1398707759;Naphex;artifexd: you touch the button, it types the OTP
647560;1398707772;artifexd;Yeah. I have several.
647561;1398707818;Naphex;ah sorry, i missread
647562;1398707869;artifexd;benkay suggested that the yubikey could phone home (or any attacker) with the new contents if it were reloaded.  I was questioning that.
647563;1398707915;Naphex;ah, i doubt it. unless their personalization tool phones home, but doubt that
647564;1398707950;benkay;artifexd: i don't know enough about the thing. it pretends to be a keyboard, though? sounds like a lot of unexaminable dependencies.
647565;1398707951;artifexd;And even if it did, run it on an airgapped machine.
647566;1398707958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20383 @ 0.0009692 = 19.7552 BTC [+]
647567;1398707983;benkay;so yubi is a signing thing? what are these yubi servers an implementer talks to?
647568;1398707992;benkay;it sounds weird and i don't trust it.
647569;1398708048;benkay;contrast with transparency of...gnu privacy guard.
647570;1398708070;artifexd;Similar to the transparency of... openssl?
647571;1398708169;benkay;bedrock of public crypto...known shitburger. great comparison.
647572;1398708219;artifexd;Open source compared to open source.  The point is that being open doesn't make something trustworthy.
647573;1398708272;benkay;however being closed does make a thing impossible to trust.
647574;1398708306;benkay;this goes back to the problem of trust in the wot. openssl, pirate...ask anyone who knows things what they think of the two.
647575;1398708322;benkay;hey, guys: which is less likely to leak? openssl or gpg?
647576;1398708349;benkay;the comparison is not made on the basis of openness, rather by asking professionals and the experienced what their opinions are and why they are that.
647577;1398708465;Naphex;for me its still about risk reduction
647578;1398708507;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06566806 = 0.197 BTC [-] {2} 
647579;1398708513;Naphex;attacker needs username, password, otp(yubi,gpg), email for approving a withdrawal
647580;1398708631;thestringpuller;Naphex: i can get all three by putting a gun to the customer's head
647581;1398708650;thestringpuller;4*
647582;1398708691;pankkake;you couldn't, I don't have my passwords
647583;1398708692;Naphex;sure. if you get all 4 the only thing that can save you is hope you don't hit any short-circuits or be enough in the hot wallet
647584;1398708695;Naphex;:P
647585;1398708738;Naphex;maybe i can ask an emergency question?
647586;1398708751;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00096938 = 3.2959 BTC [+]
647587;1398708758;Naphex;and only one right answer, if you put in wrong answer we helicopter and save you
647588;1398708765;pankkake;:D
647589;1398708780;thestringpuller;why not consolidate all 4 to gpg
647590;1398708783;Naphex;you can set some really abstract question
647591;1398708798;Naphex;thestringpuller: i am, i will be adding GPG auth. but thats it
647592;1398708807;Naphex;we are planning on reaching regular folks as well
647593;1398708816;Naphex;not just the crypto community
647594;1398708847;Naphex;but we will be adding some nice UX for GPG authentication
647595;1398708857;Naphex;and doing some tutorial video for setting up, for noobs
647596;1398708877;Naphex;so there's that
647597;1398708976;Naphex;https://www.btcxchange.ro/order - its meant to have some easyability in it, remember it's an exchange and we will be having a transaction fee at some point
647598;1398708978;ozbot;btcXchange.ro - The first Bitcoin exchange in Romania
647599;1398709300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00096914 = 23.114 BTC [-] {2} 
647600;1398710093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC
647601;1398710154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00097105 = 6.3118 BTC [+] {2} 
647602;1398710160;Duffer1;sf2? oh lawd another one?
647603;1398710197;mike_c;there are so many good companies for them to invest in!  they need more funds.
647604;1398710216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.000835 = 0.167 BTC [+] {2} 
647605;1398710222;Duffer1;incredible
647606;1398710240;Naphex;BTCTrip is nice and works well
647607;1398710281;fluffypony;Naphex: that's the exception to the rule
647608;1398710289;fluffypony;it's actually a completed product
647609;1398710298;fluffypony;have you seen TagPesa's pitch deck?
647610;1398710304;fluffypony;or BiTnews
647611;1398710305;Naphex;nah, the rest look like bull
647612;1398710318;Naphex;http://ignitefinancing.com/operators/
647613;1398710319;ozbot;Operators | Ignite Financing
647614;1398710327;Naphex;rly
647615;1398710990;thestringpuller;;;google major tom venture bros.
647616;1398710991;gribble;Major Tom | The Venture Bros. | Adult Swim - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aqvIU1dkD8>; Major Tom - The Venture Bros. Wiki - The People's Republic of ...: <http://venturefans.org/vbwiki/Major_Tom>; Ghosts of the Sargasso - The Venture Bros. Wiki - The People's ...: <http://venturefans.org/vbwiki/Ghosts_of_the_Sargasso>
647617;1398711130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16071 @ 0.00097275 = 15.6331 BTC [+] {2} 
647618;1398711252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11154 @ 0.00097436 = 10.868 BTC [+]
647619;1398711679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50188389 BTC [-]
647620;1398711680;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0045 = 0.225 BTC [+]
647621;1398711740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00453622 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2} 
647622;1398711923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33288 @ 0.00097529 = 32.4655 BTC [+] {2} 
647623;1398712411;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.067799 = 0.1356 BTC [+]
647624;1398712472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00096973 = 6.4002 BTC [-] {2} 
647625;1398712529;benkay;!up steven-__
647626;1398712529;assbot;Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
647627;1398712899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC
647628;1398713081;jurov;!up belcher
647629;1398713081;assbot;Voicing belcher for 30 minutes.
647630;1398713085;jurov;!up MiningBuddy
647631;1398713085;assbot;Voicing MiningBuddy for 30 minutes.
647632;1398713104;jurov;!up dR3
647633;1398713104;assbot;Voicing dR3 for 30 minutes.
647634;1398713146;dR3;Greets all. Appreciate this chan. That is all =)
647635;1398713408;jurov;:)
647636;1398713433;*;jurov looks whether SF1 paid any divs ..nope
647637;1398713520;jurov;so not one of their startups is profitable yet.nice
647638;1398713579;thestringpuller;they are gonna show us howt hey run this show
647639;1398713583;thestringpuller;HOW THEY RUN IT INTO THE GROUND
647640;1398713617;mike_c;they got their mistakes out of the way with SF1.  You need to jump on SF2, it's going to the moon.
647641;1398713638;thestringpuller;i'd rather put money in mpif
647642;1398713655;thestringpuller;or just make equal high weight bets on boths sides of a bit bet...
647643;1398713656;thestringpuller;:P
647644;1398713679;jurov;http://www.seedco.in/home/sites/default/files/page/attachment/Seedcoin_incubator_nov_2013.pdf lol dividends aren't even mentioned
647645;1398713686;jurov;that's ridiculous
647646;1398713739;jurov;http://www.seedco.in/home/sites/default/files/page/attachment/SFI_IPO_prospectus.pdf says
647647;1398713745;fluffypony;who needs dividends, jurov?
647648;1398713752;fluffypony;investors should just throw money at it
647649;1398713755;jurov;SFI unit holders are entitled to receive dividends indirectly from the Fund's startups which have a
647650;1398713757;jurov;dividend distribution plan.
647651;1398713768;jurov;how indirectly?
647652;1398713927;jurov;guess the dividend plans are guarded with utmost secrecy :D
647653;1398713998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.067799 = 1.017 BTC [+]
647654;1398714127;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu my hunch is that all known block ciphers have non-linear keyspaces.
647655;1398714127;gribble;The operation succeeded.
647656;1398714154;jurov;asciilifeform: care to elaborate?
647657;1398714172;asciilifeform;;;google nonlinear keyspace
647658;1398714173;gribble;Weak key - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_key>; hybrid message-embedded cipher using logistic map - arXiv: <http://arxiv.org/pdf/1209.2582>; State convergence and keyspace reduction of the Mixer stream cipher: <http://eprint.iacr.org/2010/628.pdf>
647659;1398714351;jurov;so you suspect AES for certain keys is more easily crackable? how so?
647660;1398714405;asciilifeform;jurov: this notion is not original to me, visit the literature
647661;1398714411;jurov;because it was never proven otherwise? i can see that
647662;1398714414;midnightmagic;history of past bad keyspace means attackers try that first always
647663;1398714424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.0009754 = 22.1416 BTC [+] {3} 
647664;1398714449;midnightmagic;(aside from weak keygen)
647665;1398714583;BingoBoingo;mike_c: It will be harder to track my part of MPIF, but the monthly statements will still exist, and there's the part where at least at the start of this the operation I am running is smaller than the other portions.
647666;1398714709;mike_c;it would be feasible to have a webpage showing your balances.  that is perhaps not a good idea for a market maker though.
647667;1398714851;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31991 @ 0.00097572 = 31.2143 BTC [+] {4} 
647668;1398714912;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
647669;1398715034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [-]
647670;1398715126;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Well, the monthly reports will include exact balances, but I'm not yet sure about the wisdom of offering balances in real time. That might leak things like when exactly trades executed and where I had orders sitting on the orderbook.
647671;1398715194;mike_c;yeah.  definitely a balancing act with how visible it should be.
647672;1398715217;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.034 = 0.102 BTC [-]
647673;1398715218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0406 = 0.1218 BTC [-]
647674;1398715219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
647675;1398715384;fluffypony;"Due to popular demand, now available to trade on an easier to use system. Available here https://bitcoinbourse.eu/ ticker DUN"
647676;1398715392;fluffypony;well that's the end of that
647677;1398715535;jurov;lulzbourse is easy to use????
647678;1398715592;jurov;the interface is rather chaotic
647679;1398715600;jurov;and all orders expire in 3 days
647680;1398715621;fluffypony;jurov: well you also don't have to do anything to list
647681;1398715621;jurov;so you have to log in every 3 days if you want to maintain standing order
647682;1398715625;fluffypony;except say "I want to list"
647683;1398715641;fluffypony;in fact
647684;1398715652;fluffypony;I'd hazard it's easier to list there than on MasterCoin
647685;1398715657;jurov;oh i misunderstood... easy to use system for an issuer, not for the user
647686;1398715668;fluffypony;yep
647687;1398715669;fluffypony;:-P
647688;1398716608;moiety;my client was flashing when i got in, not sure if it was because moiety or manuls was mentioned
647689;1398716620;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 577 @ 0.001 = 0.577 BTC
647690;1398716660;moiety;;; later tell mircea_popescu even the doges are at it now http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-04/enhanced/webdr04/25/10/enhanced-buzz-22480-1398437911-8.jpg must be for cinco de mayo
647691;1398716661;gribble;The operation succeeded.
647692;1398716681;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
647693;1398716722;fluffypony;LOL
647694;1398716722;fluffypony;have to show my wife that
647695;1398716722;fluffypony;moiety: I mentioned manuls
647696;1398716767;pankkake;lol a hilight on manuls
647697;1398716786;moiety;alongside moiety... so im unsure which triggered smuxi to flash
647698;1398716812;moiety;hi pankkake :D
647699;1398716848;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Do you worry that maybe your wife might begin to suspect you might be spending all of this time online trying to cheat on her with a Manul?
647700;1398716876;moiety;that would obviously be forgiven as soon as she looked up manuls?
647701;1398716888;moiety;also herroo BB :D
647702;1398716892;asciilifeform;fly manul to argentina, breed with colocolo -> double thickness
647703;1398716903;moiety;you are a genius
647704;1398716907;diametric;asciilifeform: hows mainboard development going?
647705;1398716927;asciilifeform;diametric: had to switch to 4-layer.
647706;1398716938;asciilifeform;diametric: something that i was hoping to avoid
647707;1398716942;diametric;damn
647708;1398716971;moiety;i tried to rewire a mouse today, didnt go so well
647709;1398717019;pankkake;a manul ate it?
647710;1398717081;moiety;unfortunately not. i tried to frankenstein the usb bit on the end with a non frayed one. i ended up with more bits than i started with D;
647711;1398717101;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: we have 6 dogs
647712;1398717102;fluffypony;she knows I would never
647713;1398717122;moiety;the hattori is a bit more vicious on little wires than i was expecting
647714;1398717131;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: All it takes is 1 Manul and then you have 0 dogs
647715;1398717136;moiety;^ this
647716;1398717139;fluffypony;we have Basenjis
647717;1398717142;fluffypony;they'll take a Manul on
647718;1398717146;moiety;oh wow they dont bark do they
647719;1398717152;fluffypony;nope
647720;1398717155;fluffypony;they yodel
647721;1398717157;moiety;yodelling dogs!
647722;1398717168;moiety;i know the ones!
647723;1398717191;moiety;they are corgi coloured BB but legs are like 5 times the length
647724;1398717213;BingoBoingo;They look like malnourished strays
647725;1398717233;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: lol
647726;1398717234;moiety;just because youre used to seeing fat assed corgis
647727;1398717245;moiety;you would be horrified at greyhounds
647728;1398717248;fluffypony;they're one of the ancient breeds, so they're the dogs in ancient egypt that the pharoahs worshipped
647729;1398717252;asciilifeform;basenji - that looks quite like the dogs i saw in Timis.
647730;1398717294;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The basenji is basically a pariah dog type. What other dogs revert to after uncontrolled breeding. Natural strays.
647731;1398717303;fluffypony;yer`
647732;1398717310;fluffypony;if you lock a bunch of dogs on an island
647733;1398717313;fluffypony;say, Australia
647734;1398717316;fluffypony;and come back in 100 years
647735;1398717319;fluffypony;you'll have an island of Basenjis
647736;1398717350;BingoBoingo;Compare to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Black_Terrier
647737;1398717359;jurov;!up justusranvier
647738;1398717359;assbot;Voicing justusranvier for 30 minutes.
647739;1398717371;jurov;!up mius
647740;1398717371;assbot;Voicing mius for 30 minutes.
647741;1398717373;BingoBoingo;Or its ancestor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Water_Dog
647742;1398717391;BingoBoingo;'They were developed as a water rescue/lifesaving dog, but according to O. Krasnovskaya, "That was not a good idea as [they] were not willing to save drowning people, but mostly were looking to bite them so this breed was never developed".'
647743;1398717474;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
647744;1398717651;Naphex;sounds in tune with youtube russia :)
647745;1398717729;Naphex;gn
647746;1398717939;moiety;rhodesian ridgeback is an interesting dog imo
647747;1398717989;BingoBoingo;just because it hunts lions, doesn't mean it will be effective against a Manul though.
647748;1398717990;moiety;night Naphex sleep well :]
647749;1398718002;moiety;nothing is effective against a manul!
647750;1398718012;fluffypony;moiety: except a pack of Basenjis!
647751;1398718014;fluffypony;:-P
647752;1398718035;moiety;well, you have a pack.... shall we experiment?
647753;1398718051;moiety;BB start the BitBet nao!
647754;1398718104;moiety;put your bitcoins where your basenjis are fluffypony :P
647755;1398718115;*;moiety bets on manuls
647756;1398718126;fluffypony;lol
647757;1398718126;fluffypony;moiety I would
647758;1398718126;fluffypony;but
647759;1398718126;fluffypony;I don't want to be responsible for a dead manul
647760;1398718162;moiety;dead happy manul*
647761;1398718175;moiety;dead = very in scotland
647762;1398718198;fluffypony;lol
647763;1398718298;fluffypony;moiety here
647764;1398718301;fluffypony;http://imgur.com/a/1I7tm
647765;1398718303;ozbot;Basenji fight - Imgur
647766;1398718312;fluffypony;that's what happens when the beta picks a fight with the alpha
647767;1398718322;fluffypony;(the beta lost, he's the one with the bust up eye)
647768;1398718325;mircea_popescu;%t
647769;1398718327;atcbot;[X-BT] Bid: 156 Ask: 238 Last Price: 200 24h-Vol: 978k High: 230 Low: 150 VWAP: 184
647770;1398718395;mircea_popescu;so how was the difficulty ?
647771;1398718399;mircea_popescu;%block
647772;1398718405;mod6;%diff
647773;1398718408;atcbot;[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 174611.14 in 1931 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -61.65
647774;1398718408;mircea_popescu;aty
647775;1398718411;mircea_popescu;.d
647776;1398718412;ozbot;6.979 billion | Next Diff in 180 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.5004% in 1d 1h 20m 11s
647777;1398718416;moiety;fluffypony: wow what a shame D;
647778;1398718425;mircea_popescu;;;calc  455357.13 / 6.979 / 10**9
647779;1398718426;gribble;6.5246758848e-05
647780;1398718442;mircea_popescu;0.00006524 by diff.
647781;1398718445;fluffypony;moiety: yeah, they belong to the "fight to the death" school of pack leadership :-P
647782;1398718519;moiety;fluffypony: like hamsters
647783;1398718527;fluffypony;there we go
647784;1398718530;fluffypony;giant, yodelling hamsters
647785;1398718535;moiety;XD bahahahahaha
647786;1398718543;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform its probable yubikeys have a master, yes.
647787;1398718577;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not only this, but they write the key. ergo, they have the key.
647788;1398718656;asciilifeform;somehow this concept is 'rocket surgery' to people.
647789;1398718772;fluffypony;it's still a sight better than "password + birthday = secure password"
647790;1398718805;asciilifeform;may as well say that it beats being dragged behind a truck until nothing remains on the rope but a tattered thread of skin.
647791;1398718923;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform>  you gotta transport the secret to the user << did i wake up today in a parallel universe where public-key crypto was never invented ? << no, you woke up in a parallel universe where microsoft is still a business model.
647792;1398718925;mircea_popescu;not THAT paralel.
647793;1398718932;asciilifeform;lul
647794;1398719024;mircea_popescu;<Naphex> asciilifeform: i'm talking from a server end point, i don't have to keep user secret. just public key <<< see, there. that's the value proposition : it allows the operator to say "sorry, fuck you" to the user in terms that are socially acceptable,
647795;1398719036;mircea_popescu;unlike the bitbet style, which while being exactly the same thing, is socially unacceptable.
647796;1398719133;mircea_popescu;artifexd> That may, or may not, invalidate the ability to use yubikey's servers though. I don't know. << afaik blowing their key does make it unable to use the servers, because you see, the true beauty of stupidty : they actually narrow the keyspace (significantly) to make their product vendor-lockedin
647797;1398719148;mircea_popescu;ie, not all keys work, key has to satisfy magic yubikey criteria on top of entropy
647798;1398719165;pankkake;lol
647799;1398719176;pankkake;oh was that why the mtgox keys worked only with mtgox?
647800;1398719187;mircea_popescu;<benkay> all of a sudden i'm struck by the notion that the only good withdrawal message is one gpg-signed by the withdrawing party. << welcome to... 2012 ?
647801;1398719203;mircea_popescu;pankkake yup.
647802;1398719212;artifexd;The code to run a yubikey server is open source so you, I, or anyone is welcome to swap out the key and run their own server.
647803;1398719214;mircea_popescu;they used same principle, except (afaik) even shittier implementation
647804;1398719217;mircea_popescu;reduced space even more
647805;1398719223;pankkake;that's like the password things that require you to have "at least one number, one capitalized letter, one symbol"
647806;1398719231;mircea_popescu;kinda worse, tbh
647807;1398719311;mircea_popescu;<benkay> hey, guys: which is less likely to leak? openssl or gpg? << gpg may still have a bug or two in there.
647808;1398719394;mircea_popescu;<Naphex> we are planning on reaching regular folks as well << tbh, as long as you ernestly offer the strong version, nobody can hold it against you that you also offer a convenient version.
647809;1398719400;mircea_popescu;as long as the user can choose, you're scott free.
647810;1398719459;mircea_popescu;<mike_c> they got their mistakes out of the way with SF1.  You need to jump on SF2, it's going to the moon. << i forget, what was the eventual return on that thing ?
647811;1398719491;mircea_popescu;<midnightmagic> (aside from weak keygen) << and aside from planted holes.
647812;1398719547;mike_c;sf1 stock is down 15% from ipo in december, no dividends.
647813;1398719556;mike_c;so not bad for  havelol
647814;1398719609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.03447 = 0.6205 BTC [+] {6} 
647815;1398719611;fluffypony;mike_c: I'd love to know what they're going to do since GoCoin rejected their investment
647816;1398719625;fluffypony;so now they have this pile of BTC that was meant for GoCoin
647817;1398719633;fluffypony;or OkPay
647818;1398719636;fluffypony;or whatever it's called
647819;1398719645;mike_c;i'm sure they will find someone willing to take it.
647820;1398719649;fluffypony;GoCoin
647821;1398719652;fluffypony;http://bitcoin-betting-guide.com/james-cannings-blog/seedcoin-fund-i-update-no-gocoin-what-next/
647822;1398719655;ozbot;Seedcoin Fund I Update: No GoCoin, What Next?
647823;1398719659;mircea_popescu;today i learned  Basenji is a sort of dog.
647824;1398719670;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03447 = 0.3102 BTC [+] {4} 
647825;1398719800;mircea_popescu;o wow all caught up with log. check me out!
647826;1398719808;*;mircea_popescu does a little all caught up dance.
647827;1398719821;mircea_popescu;mike_c ah, almost worse than dr foreskin
647828;1398719839;mircea_popescu;fluffypony they'll buy virtual mining shares.
647829;1398719846;fluffypony;hah hah
647830;1398719861;mircea_popescu;this concept where they return the investment is obviously too much for teh forum.
647831;1398719994;artifexd;mircea_popescu: What is the way in which purchasers of f.mpif are expecting to make money? Increase in nav? Dividends?
647832;1398720009;pankkake;my last encounter with jimmothy points to that :/
647833;1398720028;mircea_popescu;artifexd well substantially, my thinking is that one does not simply kill berkshire, one also makes a replacement. if one's polite, at least.
647834;1398720036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC
647835;1398720044;mircea_popescu;so in general, the share should appreciate through tracking its nav.
647836;1398720073;artifexd;That implies that you do not expect to issue regular dividends. Correct?
647837;1398720081;mircea_popescu;dividends will happen if there's no rational use of capital comensurate with historical gains, so if the thing makes ~10% pa for a while, and there's no way to beat that, i'd start distributing capital
647838;1398720084;pankkake;it's in the blog post iirc
647839;1398720091;mircea_popescu;artifexd correct. it even says as much.
647840;1398720134;mircea_popescu;" It may pay a dividend during any period I determine this expedient, but there is no promise of monthly dividend (nor does such a thing make any sense whatsoever, for most companies)."
647841;1398720143;artifexd;Well. Crap. I hate asking questions when the answer is in black and white.
647842;1398720157;mircea_popescu;eh no big deal, you don't have a charged history.
647843;1398720161;mircea_popescu;everyone can get away with a few.
647844;1398720199;pankkake;no one should be blamed for tl;dring trilema
647845;1398720202;mircea_popescu;anyway : because i actually included pc5 explicitly, the share actually has a clear mechanism to track nav pretty closely.
647846;1398720213;mircea_popescu;this i personally regard as a structural and significant improvement over berkshire.
647847;1398720249;fluffypony;hah hah pankkake
647848;1398720255;pankkake;there's no public nav for berkshire?
647849;1398720273;fluffypony;I normally have to gloss over Trilema posts 5 or 6 times before I remember what it was about
647850;1398720275;Namworld;Returning the investment is not something that the forum can digest you say? So if I complete repaying all my lenders, all hell will break loose on the forum?
647851;1398720287;fluffypony;Namworld: I think the world will come to the end
647852;1398720293;mircea_popescu;pankkake eh i wouldn't go as far as that
647853;1398720306;pankkake;fluffypony: I'll eventually make a script to put them on my ereader. maybe I'll read them all then
647854;1398720308;mircea_popescu;Namworld in a word, yes.
647855;1398720327;mircea_popescu;pankkake see, the problem is you don't fly enough.
647856;1398720344;Namworld;Seems like a good reason to not give up then.
647857;1398720350;mircea_popescu;i know at least a dozen people who read trilema while travelling. catch up with a month's worth on an intercontinental flight
647858;1398720368;pankkake;I have had some productivity streaks while on the train
647859;1398720385;pankkake;that's actually why I don't mind long *comfortable* travel over short inconfortable
647860;1398720391;mircea_popescu;btw, what's the worst time to have a productive streak ?
647861;1398720396;fluffypony;on the toilet
647862;1398720412;mircea_popescu;when you're riding a bird.
647863;1398720412;pankkake;I usually solve problems when peeing
647864;1398720433;mircea_popescu;(scottish bird = girl)
647865;1398720441;fluffypony;lol
647866;1398720459;mircea_popescu;btw, what's with the brony power puff nick ?
647867;1398720466;mircea_popescu;faghaters were inquiring earlier.
647868;1398720473;fluffypony;oh I saw that in the log
647869;1398720486;fluffypony;ok so when I was young, maybe 22 or 23
647870;1398720489;mrstickball;what's up with this stock? https://litecoininvest.com/security/HFLTC
647871;1398720491;mrstickball;100% APY
647872;1398720499;mircea_popescu;"this one time, in band camp..."
647873;1398720506;mrstickball;pretty vague stuff, wondering if its a ponzi
647874;1398720509;fluffypony;I worked at this IT company, and there were these two cute sales girls (literally the only two decent looking people at the company)
647875;1398720516;fluffypony;and they were known as fluffy puppy and fluffy bunny
647876;1398720518;fluffypony;never asked why
647877;1398720532;fluffypony;at any rate, we went on a team building weekend away
647878;1398720542;fluffypony;got slaughter-house drunk with them whilst the nerds went to sleep
647879;1398720548;fluffypony;and they decided to give me a nick name
647880;1398720563;mircea_popescu;before or after the oral sex ?
647881;1398720570;fluffypony;so in the wee hours of a debaucherus night/morning they decided my nick name would be fluffy horse
647882;1398720577;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: inbetween and all around
647883;1398720577;artifexd;Isn't that known as "fluffing"?
647884;1398720596;fluffypony;artifexd: that came up as part of the convo that night ;)
647885;1398720599;mircea_popescu;is this story a subtle suggestion you've got a nigger hose ?
647886;1398720607;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: *wink*
647887;1398720614;fluffypony;anyway, I thought fluffy horse "sounded gay"
647888;1398720620;mircea_popescu;don't wink at me, i don't twink that way
647889;1398720627;fluffypony;and they thought "fluffy pony" was much better
647890;1398720635;fluffypony;which was "lol funny joke"
647891;1398720638;mircea_popescu;lol o i c, fluffy pony is less gay. right. what'd you drink, paint thinner ?
647892;1398720649;pankkake;maybe in an ironic way
647893;1398720653;fluffypony;till they started calling me fluffypony and FP in emails and at Friday afternoon drinks
647894;1398720656;fluffypony;and it stuck
647895;1398720665;mircea_popescu;well cool story brony.
647896;1398720666;mircea_popescu;glad i asked.
647897;1398720708;fluffypony;well it's better than some of my nicknames in the 90s
647898;1398720721;fluffypony;I think I was death-0ver0rd on Dalnet for like a year
647899;1398720723;mircea_popescu;artifexd fluffing is when a youngish girl that aspires to one day make money from porn tries her inept damdest to get up the overworked penis of some druggie pronstar guy
647900;1398720726;fluffypony;*shudders*
647901;1398720829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.06750616 = 0.8101 BTC [-]
647902;1398720891;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC
647903;1398720951;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+]
647904;1398721378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20086 @ 0.00097079 = 19.4993 BTC [-] {2} 
647905;1398721439;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.00554001 = 0.1108 BTC [-]
647906;1398721713;jurov;mrstickball, you can inquire Mr. Miquel J. Pavón Besalú for lulz if you want provided you publish the convo,
647907;1398721726;mircea_popescu;http://americasmarkets.usatoday.com/2014/04/28/b-of-a-math-error-halts-dividend-increase/
647908;1398721727;ozbot;B of A math error halts dividend increase | America's Markets
647909;1398721729;mircea_popescu;check tghis shit out.
647910;1398721732;jurov;i'll give you his addy
647911;1398721742;mrstickball;do you know anything about him, or are you just asking me to PM him and post convo for lulz? jurov
647912;1398721744;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.034 = 0.17 BTC [-]
647913;1398721760;jurov;he asked me to list HFLTC on coinbr
647914;1398721848;mrstickball;Ahhh
647915;1398721866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26247 @ 0.00097351 = 25.5517 BTC [+] {2} 
647916;1398721872;mrstickball;I saw that he was looking at listing on Coin Brouse, but was unsure how that interaction worked
647917;1398721882;jurov;he is there
647918;1398721947;mrstickball;so he wanted to use coinbr to get on mPEX?
647919;1398721982;jurov;i preferred not to ask, sent him straight to read trilema
647920;1398721996;mrstickball;I see
647921;1398722006;jurov;that fell to deaf ears
647922;1398722072;mrstickball;odd that he believes that he wants to invest as a hedge fund but not read up on exchanges..
647923;1398722151;mircea_popescu;numerisTrade answered your comments.
647924;1398722231;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: are most romania young ladies hot?
647925;1398722237;thestringpuller;seems like Romania is the new Brazil
647926;1398722325;mircea_popescu;they're hungry and they walk a lot.
647927;1398722327;mircea_popescu;it helps.
647928;1398722420;jurov;!up ericmuyser
647929;1398722420;assbot;Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.
647930;1398722426;jurov;!up jborkl
647931;1398722426;assbot;Voicing jborkl for 30 minutes.
647932;1398722441;mircea_popescu;!jd mpif
647933;1398722442;assbot;Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.24168916 BTC
647934;1398722451;mircea_popescu;hey where's my 7% a week
647935;1398722454;mrstickball;I thought Romania was the poor man's Poland, which is the poor man's GDR
647936;1398722496;jurov;lol such stereotype heaping
647937;1398722497;thestringpuller;did ReutersEmily ever make an mpex article?
647938;1398722518;mircea_popescu;not afaik.
647939;1398722532;mircea_popescu;i imagine if she did she'd have come back and dropped a line
647940;1398722691;thestringpuller;I'm reading up on the march 21st logs, just wondering what came of the IRC interview.
647941;1398722780;benkay;<BingoBoingo> fluffypony: All it takes is 1 Manul and then you have 0 doges << ftfy
647942;1398722787;benkay;manul for atc mascot?
647943;1398722795;benkay;!up blackwhite_
647944;1398722795;assbot;Voicing blackwhite_ for 30 minutes.
647945;1398722802;mircea_popescu;is it like an altcat ?
647946;1398722818;benkay;better than a lolcat
647947;1398722842;benkay;not quite the dragon of btc
647948;1398722846;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller since then we've had another reuters chick recently
647949;1398722903;benkay;was there a recursive bitbet recently?
647950;1398722909;thestringpuller;are there logs there?
647951;1398722918;thestringpuller;err
647952;1398722934;thestringpuller;lemme just google
647953;1398722948;thestringpuller;benkay: recursive bet?
647954;1398722950;benkay;not necessarily recently
647955;1398722959;thestringpuller;;;gettrust Ukyo
647956;1398722959;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Ukyo: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Ukyo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Ukyo | Rated since: never
647957;1398722960;benkay;something like 'this bet resolves as yes if there's more yes than no'
647958;1398722966;thestringpuller;;;gettrust utko
647959;1398722967;benkay;more btc bet on yes i mean
647960;1398722967;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user utko: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=utko | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=utko | Rated since: never
647961;1398722971;thestringpuller;;;gettrust ukto
647962;1398722972;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user ukto: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=ukto | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ukto | Rated since: Wed Jun 15 00:24:56 2011
647963;1398722981;mircea_popescu;;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com "pura vida"
647964;1398722982;gribble;#bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/>
647965;1398722990;fluffypony;oh well that's helpful
647966;1398722991;fluffypony;lol
647967;1398722998;mircea_popescu;google is like a paragon of useless.
647968;1398723009;benkay;submit to the personalization, mircea_popescu
647969;1398723032;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller Apr 23 05:03:11
647970;1398723071;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: jesus google has gotten good meanwhile ?! << haha mircea_popescu has a love hate relationship with google
647971;1398723098;benkay;<mike_c> sf1 stock is down 15% from ipo in december, no dividends.
647972;1398723099;dub;has s.mpif a blogsplanation?
647973;1398723104;mircea_popescu;yeah. actual hate and ironic love.
647974;1398723113;benkay;;;google trilema wunderbar spif
647975;1398723115;gribble;No matches found.
647976;1398723121;benkay;;;google trilema wunderbar mpif
647977;1398723124;mircea_popescu;dub http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/
647978;1398723125;gribble;The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/>; Economic cycles finally explained pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/economic-cycles-finally-explained/>; Gloria pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/gloria/>
647979;1398723139;mircea_popescu;benkay weird how that works huh
647980;1398723143;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema wunderbar smpif
647981;1398723144;gribble;The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/>
647982;1398723152;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema smpif
647983;1398723153;gribble;The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/>
647984;1398723154;mircea_popescu;;;google smpif
647985;1398723156;gribble;The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/>; The Legend of Malin Kundang by Muthy - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IPjMv1Zef0>; PV#1 Light Novel Indonesia "TOP IDOL!" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DRKmyeXj6s>
647986;1398723160;dub;oh yeah I think I read that after 24 hours travel
647987;1398723169;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/c30kXfU.jpg
647988;1398723247;thestringpuller;AH one from Central mexico
647989;1398723267;benkay;<fluffypony> I worked at this IT company, and there were these two cute sales girls (literally the only two decent looking people at the company) << including you?
647990;1398723280;thestringpuller;hahaha
647991;1398723283;fluffypony;benkay: pretty much, I've never claimed to be beautiful
647992;1398723295;fluffypony;my wife certainly didn't marry me for my looks
647993;1398723301;mircea_popescu;the only thing about him is  the way that he walks.
647994;1398723304;mircea_popescu;he can't even dance.
647995;1398723322;fluffypony;heh heh
647996;1398723332;fluffypony;hot sun, beating down, burning my feet just walkin' around
647997;1398723363;mircea_popescu;my black stony heart is so satisfied today.
647998;1398723391;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00445035 = 0.267 BTC [-]
647999;1398723392;thestringpuller;so web of trust I think gets more accurate over time
648000;1398723395;mircea_popescu;this romanian party, was ruling party. a year or so ago i quit, and quite publicly told them to either bring me the head of the then-president or else there will be no fucking party.
648001;1398723408;mircea_popescu;they just split, lost the government, are probably going straight to the history books.
648002;1398723422;fluffypony;poetic justice
648003;1398723427;mircea_popescu;ah, the sweet pleasure of the utter destruction of schmucks that thought they knew better
648004;1398723483;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller that'd be accurate
648005;1398723511;thestringpuller;well i've been doing gettrust on known scammers
648006;1398723513;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03447 = 0.1724 BTC [+]
648007;1398723518;fluffypony;BingoBoingo, moiety: http://i.imgur.com/mENwWpL.jpg
648008;1398723524;thestringpuller;the WoT blatantly says "Nigga don't trust these guys"
648009;1398723553;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller actually i would imagine its accuracy is a linear function of the average length of noncircular paths.
648010;1398723614;moiety;fluffypony: aww! i wonder if they followed on land too!
648011;1398723629;thestringpuller;hmm, paths that have definite endpoints?
648012;1398723635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13236 @ 0.00097011 = 12.8404 BTC [-] {2} 
648013;1398723637;mircea_popescu;moiety chicks only follow you the way they wanted to go anyway :D
648014;1398723645;fluffypony;hah hah
648015;1398723658;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller paths that include any given segment at most once
648016;1398723671;mircea_popescu;(segment = direct path between two nodes)
648017;1398723700;thestringpuller;Ah I see.
648018;1398723719;thestringpuller;So that would mean the more connections the more accurate?
648019;1398723729;thestringpuller;or would that just be a side-effect of what you're describing
648020;1398723733;mircea_popescu;the "deeper" connections
648021;1398723737;moiety;<mircea_popescu> my black stony heart is so satisfied today. << what did you eat?!
648022;1398723747;mircea_popescu;pasta
648023;1398723762;moiety;pasta is good for the soul :]
648024;1398723784;mircea_popescu;i'm the grandmaster of white sauces.
648025;1398723825;asciilifeform;anyone here own 'yubikey' ? got it to cough up its fw?
648026;1398723826;benkay;!up blackwhite_
648027;1398723826;assbot;Voicing blackwhite_ for 30 minutes.
648028;1398723878;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://www.unrest.ca/evaluating-the-security-of-the-yubikey
648029;1398723926;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: looks like it only mentions the server-end crap
648030;1398723927;artifexd;asciilifeform: I have one that I'm willing to sacrifice to the cause but I have no idea how to do that.
648031;1398723940;mircea_popescu;"- The Yubikey personalization app saves a .csv logfile with the programmed key values meaning a malware-based attack may discover the log files on block devices even when the files have been deleted"
648032;1398723952;artifexd;I'd be willing to mail it to you if that would be useful.
648033;1398723967;mircea_popescu;artifexd only after he finishes the cardano
648034;1398723971;asciilifeform;artifexd: sadly, i'm otherwise occupied. but you are encouraged to do it yourself
648035;1398724012;asciilifeform;note that yubi is braindamaged even if there is no obvious flaw in the hardware
648036;1398724014;asciilifeform;(see log)
648037;1398724063;asciilifeform;just boggles me mind that people swallow this shit.
648038;1398724077;moiety;i think you should send me some sauce so i can test this statement mircea_popescu
648039;1398724114;mircea_popescu;a no, gotta wear a steel collar to be tasting this thing.
648040;1398724132;kakobrekla;asciilifeform its not like its cake or death dilemma
648041;1398724142;moiety;i was shown those neokey things a while ago
648042;1398724149;asciilifeform;'we're all out of death, gonna have to be cake'
648043;1398724150;moiety;lol fair enough mircea_popescu
648044;1398724196;fluffypony;asciilifeform: he is by far my favourite comedian
648045;1398724304;benkay;!up coingenuity
648046;1398724304;assbot;Voicing coingenuity for 30 minutes.
648047;1398724309;benkay;what's up coingenuity
648048;1398724313;benkay;SUCH PUN
648049;1398724340;benkay;!up mikaeldice
648050;1398724340;assbot;Voicing mikaeldice for 30 minutes.
648051;1398724374;mikaeldice;Hi benkay
648052;1398724387;benkay;hi mikaeldice what's news?
648053;1398724426;mikaeldice;Nothing new..  I've been wondering for a while if there is a better forum than bitcointalk, though.
648054;1398724443;benkay;just irc
648055;1398724446;benkay;the log
648056;1398724448;benkay;and blogs
648057;1398724464;fluffypony;bitcointa.lk is much better
648058;1398724470;mircea_popescu;benkay that pun took me three passes.
648059;1398724516;benkay;just another dumpun. don't break yourself.
648060;1398724589;thestringpuller;:D
648061;1398724858;thestringpuller;;;seen alexsanjose
648062;1398724858;gribble;alexsanjose was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 19 hours, 12 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <alexsanjose> if you come across in humans in Central America who have bitcoin gambling operations and they want to talk to a reporter, tell them i dont bite alexandra.alper@thomsonreuters.com
648063;1398724869;moiety;i just realised i used later tell earlier probably wrongly because i was looking at the wrong part of the people list
648064;1398724909;mikaeldice;I'd like to see bitcoin companies start using a more transparent accounting system that's more detailed than the blockchain.  It wouldn't really cut down on fraud, but it might make the incompetent more noticeable and accountable.
648065;1398724938;mircea_popescu;mikaeldice http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/
648066;1398725029;fluffypony;mikaeldice: they could just publish their monthlies and prove they have access to the funds they claim by sending it to a public address
648067;1398725042;mikaeldice;Thanks, mircea_popescu, I've read that post before and enjoyed it.
648068;1398725066;mircea_popescu;so then what are you talking about ?
648069;1398725077;benkay;fluffypony: wouldn't simply signing with the addr key suffice?
648070;1398725079;mircea_popescu;that's the accounting standard, bitcoin companies do use it, etc.
648071;1398725092;mikaeldice;I was thinking more of an open ledger which automatically updates with expenditures from preset addresses.  The user adds a justification, maybe associates an expense account to it
648072;1398725103;benkay;sounds like a DAC
648073;1398725105;benkay;burn it with fire
648074;1398725157;fluffypony;benkay: they may move things around during the month for operational purposes (change addresses in a wallet etc.), so moving it into one address is a very quick operation
648075;1398725247;benkay;fluffypony: what fraction of corporate funds are you expecting to be in hot storage?
648076;1398725265;fluffypony;benkay: depends on the type of business
648077;1398725270;mircea_popescu;why do people constantly want to do things differently than the way things are done i have no idea.
648078;1398725458;benkay;girl is using the mini sledge to pulverize peanut brittle
648079;1398725489;thestringpuller;why do people constantly want to do things differently than the way things are done i have no idea. << like when people try to put the square block into the circle hole?
648080;1398725503;mircea_popescu;what';s a mini sledge ? like a mega peanut ?
648081;1398725508;mikaeldice;Well, the problem is that things aren't getting done the right way.  The system you outline in your website is a good one, but few people use it.
648082;1398725525;mircea_popescu;mikaeldice all bitcoin corps use it, actually.
648083;1398725759;benkay;!up mjr_
648084;1398725759;assbot;Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
648085;1398725780;fluffypony;mikaeldice: the reason it isn't being done isn't because it's complicated
648086;1398725790;mikaeldice;Are you narrowly defining what a bitcoin corp is?  Taking a look at the securities forum, it's almost not in use by most of the scams and incompetents there.  When there is reporting, it's late and/or incomplete..
648087;1398725799;fluffypony;it's not like if you create an easier system all the scams will be like "ohai, let's be legit!"
648088;1398725828;mikaeldice;True, but the goal would be to generate red flags on incompetence more than anything
648089;1398725843;fluffypony;mikaeldice: that would need to be done BEFORE investing
648090;1398725863;fluffypony;mikaeldice: also, re: what is a "Bitcoin business" - http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-28/
648091;1398725880;mircea_popescu;mikaeldice but the scams and incompetents aren't bitcoin corps. i mean it's like saying turbojet propulsion isn't used by model airplanes. sure.
648092;1398725885;mircea_popescu;they're... not jets.
648093;1398725903;benkay;mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/JuokHV6
648094;1398725903;mircea_popescu;and so your goal is quite visible, isn't it.
648095;1398725907;mircea_popescu;s/goal/flag
648096;1398725914;mikaeldice;True
648097;1398725928;mircea_popescu;benkay not bad!
648098;1398725975;benkay;lol now she's complaining about the fact that i stole her beer
648099;1398726006;benkay;told her 'when dinner's actually done then you can have a beer'
648100;1398726057;mircea_popescu;you got a 70lb chick in the house that cooks with the use of a hammer and wants beer ?
648101;1398726075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16627 @ 0.00097228 = 16.1661 BTC [+] {2} 
648102;1398726096;*;benkay waits for the punchline
648103;1398726120;mircea_popescu;:D
648104;1398726137;benkay;besides, who ever knows what they want.
648105;1398726246;BingoBoingo;!up mikaeldice
648106;1398726246;assbot;Voicing mikaeldice for 30 minutes.
648107;1398726473;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
648108;1398726480;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 443.43, vol: 19086.14496026 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 428.0, vol: 7481.73286 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 442.02, vol: 16133.4219149 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 449.0, vol: 14.56566507 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 430.757808, vol: 3683.01370000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 446.18059, vol: 6.12265595 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 444.6492, vol: 112.2489882 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
648109;1398726485;BingoBoingo;;;more
648110;1398726486;gribble;439.460971498
648111;1398726539;BingoBoingo;http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/04/28/the_fbi_arrests_new_york_congressman_michael_grimm_for_fraud_perjury.html
648112;1398726540;ozbot;The FBI arrests New York Congressman Michael Grimm for fraud, perjury.
648113;1398726686;BingoBoingo;http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/the-moment-a-mississippi-tv-station-evacuated-for-a-tor-1568929551/+barryap
648114;1398726687;ozbot;The Moment A Mississippi TV Station Evacuated For A Tornado
648115;1398726866;BingoBoingo;I throw that out, because the storm sirens are engaged.
648116;1398726929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4173 @ 0.00097487 = 4.0681 BTC [+]
648117;1398727004;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: srs question for you
648118;1398727051;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00461057 = 0.4564 BTC [+] {2} 
648119;1398727061;thestringpuller;oatmeal raisin or chocolate chip
648120;1398727080;mircea_popescu;cc.
648121;1398727088;mircea_popescu;WITH raisins.
648122;1398727214;benkay;;;gettrust assbot ericmuyser
648123;1398727214;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ericmuyser: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=ericmuyser | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ericmuyser | Rated since: Mon Jul  1 01:35:49 2013
648124;1398727231;benkay;!up ericmuyser
648125;1398727231;assbot;Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.
648126;1398727234;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
648127;1398728271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10140 @ 0.00096981 = 9.8339 BTC [-]
648128;1398728398;jurov;!up mikaeldice
648129;1398728398;assbot;Voicing mikaeldice for 30 minutes.
648130;1398728420;moiety;white chocolate chip and cashew nut cookies ftw
648131;1398728435;pankkake;ew
648132;1398728457;fluffypony;here is a present for hipsters
648133;1398728458;fluffypony;http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-29/
648134;1398728460;moiety;lub lub lub
648135;1398728463;fluffypony;and with that I go sleep
648136;1398728468;asciilifeform;'congressman can also have problems.'
648137;1398728546;pankkake;nice
648138;1398728759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17860 @ 0.00096934 = 17.3124 BTC [-]
648139;1398728790;moiety;omg look what i just saw!! Here he is again! http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2012/12/baby-turtle-eats-strawberry1.jpg
648140;1398728974;asciilifeform;grimm is a textbook case of 'can also have problems.'
648141;1398729011;asciilifeform;we are, of course, unlikely to learn what it was he refused to play ball with. because people having problems can also have problems.
648142;1398729158;thestringpuller;that's pretty deep
648143;1398729163;BingoBoingo;problems beget further problems
648144;1398729167;thestringpuller;"because people having problems can also have problems"
648145;1398729371;kakobrekla;>>The Mcdonalds of webcam based adult entertainment is my goal.. And I will keep working at it until I achieve it!
648146;1398729456;benkay;kakobrekla: whassat?
648147;1398729467;kakobrekla;forum
648148;1398729497;mikaeldice;I wonder why he needs a whole franchise when a single site would be sufficient..
648149;1398729573;mikaeldice;I could see a bitcoin casino with guest webcam models doing well
648150;1398729646;kakobrekla;im not sure he knows mcd is a franchise
648151;1398730101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0400041 = 0.2 BTC [-]
648152;1398730151;benkay;!up dR3___
648153;1398730151;assbot;Voicing dR3___ for 30 minutes.
648154;1398730162;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.0742218 = 0.7422 BTC [-]
648155;1398730163;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.034 = 0.34 BTC [-]
648156;1398730164;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0400041 = 0.2 BTC [-]
648157;1398730168;jurov;behold: http://live.coinbr.com/images/manulcoin-fs8.png
648158;1398730182;benkay;i dunno why anyone would be going for mcdonald's when there are mircea_popescu's out there
648159;1398730186;benkay;"buttcoin", etc.
648160;1398730223;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.04000038 = 0.84 BTC [-] {6} 
648161;1398730224;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.0742218 = 1.1875 BTC [-]
648162;1398730225;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.0339957 = 0.5439 BTC [-] {2} 
648163;1398730245;jurov;;;later tell ThickAsThieves http://live.coinbr.com/images/manulcoin-fs8.png
648164;1398730245;gribble;The operation succeeded.
648165;1398730345;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00445662 = 0.2228 BTC [-]
648166;1398730474;jurov;moiety: wanba be  The Real Manulcoin ambassador?
648167;1398730477;pankkake;you mine it with Proof of Cuteness?
648168;1398730536;jurov;yes, every block must contain cute kitty
648169;1398730578;pankkake;reminds me of http://th05.deviantart.net/fs22/PRE/f/2008/002/5/e/Songs_about_my_cats_by_Sasolits.jpg
648170;1398730600;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: a.k.a. crypto-virology, a fairly well-studied problem that primarily (imo) affects closed-source crypto products.
648171;1398730690;jurov;yea, crypto-virology affects products, crypto-virus people
648172;1398730711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36800 @ 0.00097488 = 35.8756 BTC [+] {3} 
648173;1398730760;moiety;jurov: im all for anything manul!
648174;1398730788;moiety;paper wallets would come pre-shredded tho
648175;1398730809;pankkake;I only know about crypto-fascism
648176;1398730838;thestringpuller;;;bash
648177;1398730839;gribble;Error: "bash" is not a valid command.
648178;1398730841;thestringpuller;;;ls
648179;1398730842;gribble;What do you think I am, a shell?
648180;1398730845;thestringpuller;;;dir
648181;1398730845;gribble;Error: "dir" is not a valid command.
648182;1398730846;moiety;pankkake: if you can find an elusive manul block, it'd probably kill your hardware
648183;1398730847;thestringpuller;;;cd
648184;1398730847;gribble;Error: "cd" is not a valid command.
648185;1398730868;moiety;;; dvd
648186;1398730868;gribble;Error: "dvd" is not a valid command.
648187;1398730872;moiety;aw
648188;1398731038;BingoBoingo;;;rm / -r -f
648189;1398731038;gribble;Error: "rm" is not a valid command.
648190;1398731321;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 106 @ 0.001 = 0.106 BTC {2} 
648191;1398731535;mircea_popescu;benkay wait wut
648192;1398731589;mircea_popescu;mikaeldice: I could see a bitcoin casino with guest webcam models doing well << not a half bad idea.
648193;1398731748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00097178 = 8.1144 BTC [-]
648194;1398731748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
648195;1398731774;benkay;mircea_popescu: why chase pennies from paupers when there are guys out there willing to spend single-digit integer fractions of btc for tits?
648196;1398731782;benkay;!up sunshynez
648197;1398731782;assbot;Voicing sunshynez for 30 minutes.
648198;1398731790;benkay;!up skllzdatklls
648199;1398731790;assbot;Voicing skllzdatklls for 30 minutes.
648200;1398731802;benkay;hello y'all
648201;1398731899;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla : http://bitbet.us/bet/600/tradefortress-arrested/#c2860 spammers can't 3forsex.
648202;1398731909;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, the ny mayor is now communist, that guy is teaparty.
648203;1398731921;mircea_popescu;!up skllzdatklls
648204;1398731921;assbot;Voice for skllzdatklls extended to 30 minutes.
648205;1398732236;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 320 @ 0.00446071 = 1.4274 BTC [+] {9} 
648206;1398732297;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00439967 = 0.352 BTC [-] {4} 
648207;1398733517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00097226 = 21.8759 BTC [+] {2} 
648208;1398733517;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+]
648209;1398733795;mircea_popescu;http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/04/29/accounting-for-the-amazing-company-the-bitcointalk-standard/
648210;1398733795;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
648211;1398733795;mircea_popescu;lol
648212;1398733797;ozbot;Accounting for the Amazing Company. The Bitcointalk standard. | pankkake
648213;1398733822;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00097581 = 28.9816 BTC [+] {2} 
648214;1398733843;pankkake;this was inspired by irc of course
648215;1398733876;mircea_popescu;i like the part where you actually use the rfc ~may~ etc conventions
648216;1398733889;mircea_popescu;plan may consists of acc
648217;1398733891;pankkake;eheh
648218;1398733892;mircea_popescu;spurious s
648219;1398733925;pankkake;I'm bad with s. even in French
648220;1398733930;mircea_popescu;which was rightfully kept secret s/rightfully/judiciously/ ?
648221;1398733992;pankkake;yes, better. the second consists should have a s though?
648222;1398734024;mircea_popescu;yes.
648223;1398734033;mircea_popescu;if subject is singular verb takes s. if plural, not.
648224;1398734042;mircea_popescu;niggers come, nigger comes.
648225;1398734066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00457531 = 0.183 BTC [+]
648226;1398734067;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu  what is this even
648227;1398734070;pankkake;while I should know that simple rule, it just doesn't stick
648228;1398734092;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla this.
648229;1398734098;mircea_popescu;help me help you :D
648230;1398734118;kakobrekla;okay.
648231;1398734297;peterl;mircea_popescu: mpex.co still lists S.MPIF as upcoming, shouldn't that be removed now that there is a link to F.MPIF in the "funds" section?
648232;1398734366;mike_c;there is going to be a stock that tracks the fund that tracks the bitcoin economy as a whole.
648233;1398734433;mike_c;this will in no way create a black hole that takes all ur coinz.
648234;1398734463;mike_c;or maybe it will.
648235;1398734551;moiety;lmfao at W.3 pankkake :]
648236;1398734676;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 45 @ 0.04000012 = 1.8 BTC [-] {3} 
648237;1398734798;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04000002 = 0.4 BTC [-] {2} 
648238;1398734860;decimation;asciilifeform: I think the RSA keyfob hack demonstrates your point about yubikey perfectly
648239;1398734885;asciilifeform;decimation: wanna try a real mindfuck?
648240;1398734894;mike_c;ah, the forum is just not worth reading without mpoe-pr. "On average your investment of one BTC on that platform will have yielded about 0 BTC (dividends included) by Autumn."
648241;1398734898;asciilifeform;decimation: rsa fob is still mandatory in usg, megacorps...
648242;1398734911;decimation;how is that possibly in their interests?
648243;1398734922;asciilifeform;decimation: bob can fuck ten thousand goats, and he's still bob the bridge-builder.
648244;1398734944;decimation;right, but bridges still need to be built
648245;1398734945;asciilifeform;if you can understand how this works, you understand usa.
648246;1398734966;decimation;I guess if bob can convince people that his goat orgy is a secure bridge, then he's good to go
648247;1398734967;asciilifeform;bridges still need to be built << nah, we can cross the water on dead goats.
648248;1398734974;decimation;lol
648249;1398734981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00097132 = 4.8566 BTC [-]
648250;1398734999;decimation;apparently most folks can't tell the difference between a bridge and a pile of raped goats anyway
648251;1398735017;decimation;still; why would someone like yubikey watch bob and say "I want me some of that?"
648252;1398735028;asciilifeform;if you want a quasi-rational understanding of this crap, realize that rsa corp. actually sells
648253;1398735031;asciilifeform;(theatre)
648254;1398735065;decimation;the mind reels
648255;1398735078;asciilifeform;man never really moved 'beyond' what archaeologists call 'sympathetic magic' (as in 'voodoo doll')
648256;1398735084;mircea_popescu;peterl yeah.
648257;1398735093;asciilifeform;eat the heart of a lion for courage, of hyena for endurance, etc.
648258;1398735098;asciilifeform;eat an rsa fob for seekoority.
648259;1398735099;peterl;anybody want to speculate: will MPIF be actively traded like MPOE, or will it be a snoozer like the other stocks on mpex?
648260;1398735120;decimation;even the supposed security priests tell the people this
648261;1398735130;asciilifeform;bon apetit.
648262;1398735139;mircea_popescu;dead goats swell up if submerged.
648263;1398735150;asciilifeform;pontoon!
648264;1398735154;decimation;DId you ever read Asimov's Foundation?  The part about the tech-men?
648265;1398735162;asciilifeform;sure.
648266;1398735173;mircea_popescu;peterl kinda curious myself.
648267;1398735222;decimation;http://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2014/04/05/liberalism-schafft-sich-ab/ handle explains this stuff pretty well here
648268;1398735223;ozbot;Liberalism Schafft Sich Ab | Handle's Haus
648269;1398735267;asciilifeform;recently had occasion to meet herr handle, who wore his medals
648270;1398735272;asciilifeform;there was one with an md5 hash
648271;1398735286;decimation;heh I wish I could have met him in person.  perhaps one day I shall
648272;1398735287;asciilifeform;(he lives not far away)
648273;1398735301;mircea_popescu;handle is a pretty good handle.
648274;1398735315;decimation;The Law Of Merited Impossibility is an epistemological construct governing the paradoxical way overclass opinion makers frame the discourse about the clash between religious liberty and gay civil rights. It is best summed up by the phrase, ?It?s a complete absurdity to believe that Christians will suffer a single thing from the expansion of gay rights, and boy, do they deserve what they?re going to get.?
648275;1398735315;asciilifeform;his tale, people were always saying to him 'get a fscking handle'
648276;1398735318;asciilifeform;so he... did.
648277;1398735362;decimation;It's not going to happen, and when it does, you people will deserve it.
648278;1398735377;mircea_popescu;how is "christians" a thing even. the us is mostly neoprotestants,
648279;1398735381;mircea_popescu;and the silliest sects too.
648280;1398735399;decimation;Yes, read about the postmillenals some time
648281;1398735406;decimation;and the dispensationalists
648282;1398735430;mircea_popescu;these are christians in the sense penguins are awks.
648283;1398735477;peterl;self-identified christians ... reminds me of self-identified "investors"
648284;1398735478;decimation;One could argue that they are mostly in the "big tent (john 3:16)" but any of the ancient fathers would have turned them over to be flogged
648285;1398735553;artifexd;Anyone in here actually use coinbr and would recommend it?
648286;1398735562;peterl;I use coinbr
648287;1398735569;asciilifeform;flogged! hah, flayed.
648288;1398735569;peterl;seems to work nicely
648289;1398735585;artifexd;;;gettrust peterl
648290;1398735586;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask peterl!~peterl@108-204-237-26.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user artifexd to user peterl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=artifexd&dest=peterl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=peterl | Rated since: Wed Apr 16 17:10:12 2014
648291;1398735591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 17 @ 0.00999996 = 0.17 BTC [+]
648292;1398735595;BingoBoingo;artifexd: It's a nice thing for using MPEx as a consumer
648293;1398735612;decimation;ascii did you evern meet that "nydwracu" guy in your DC travels?  I think he went to college park
648294;1398735621;asciilifeform;decimation: sure.
648295;1398735635;asciilifeform;decimation: met him at a party once.
648296;1398735643;decimation;he is among the most impressive bloggers I have read
648297;1398735667;asciilifeform;decimation: i sorta got bored with the moldbugista folks
648298;1398735679;artifexd;The monthly fee bothered me until I realized that it would take over 130 years for that fee to equal the MPEx entry fee.
648299;1398735707;decimation;yeah, but he's among the few of them that has original thoughts
648300;1398735755;asciilifeform;decimation: they remind me of the soviet-era 'kitchen dissidents.' yeah, let's sit around and chat about how much brezhnev sucks.
648301;1398735761;asciilifeform;what a thrill.
648302;1398735780;mircea_popescu;decimation the way it works, as far as the orthodox tradition is concerned, catholicism is a bunch of ridiculous simplifications and barbaric nonsense.
648303;1398735781;decimation;I think you are doing more about the situation than most
648304;1398735792;mircea_popescu;you can imagine how calvinism looks
648305;1398735793;peterl;artifexed: and the mpex entry fee trends upward, while the coinbr fee trends downward
648306;1398735810;mircea_popescu;!up toddf
648307;1398735810;assbot;Voicing toddf for 30 minutes.
648308;1398735811;asciilifeform;decimation: i'm a believer in 'propaganda by the deed'
648309;1398735834;asciilifeform;'if not you then who, if not now, then when...' etc
648310;1398735849;decimation;as you have found, moldbug himself is extremely reluctant to take  any action that might have second or third-order effects that displease USG
648311;1398735859;artifexd;peterl How does that work? The MPEx fee is/was/will be 30btc, right? Has the coinbr fee changed over time?
648312;1398735870;mircea_popescu;peterl given that theres so much info available about how the various pcs are doing, i imagine there should be some lively trading going on
648313;1398735870;asciilifeform;decimation: mr. m sold his arse to the vc circus
648314;1398735881;asciilifeform;so his opinions can no longer be regarded as his own
648315;1398735885;peterl;mpex fee startd at free, then it was 20, now 30. coinbr used to cost more per month
648316;1398735891;asciilifeform;sorta like losing sole control of one's priv key
648317;1398735895;decimation;yeah. haven't heard much about his little navy recently
648318;1398735915;artifexd;mircea_popescu: Do you expect to increase the fee again?
648319;1398735916;asciilifeform;it's still there, pumping valiantly to stay above waterline.
648320;1398735935;mircea_popescu;artifexd yes.
648321;1398735949;asciilifeform;i sold me moldboat for scrap iron, but still check on them occasionally.
648322;1398735953;peterl;mircea_popescu: having somebody actively market making for the fund should also encourage lively trading, I think
648323;1398735974;mircea_popescu;maybe yea
648324;1398736002;decimation;yeah I saw that.  I think you profited on the deal
648325;1398736006;asciilifeform;lol
648326;1398736018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00097617 = 12.3974 BTC [+] {2} 
648327;1398736021;decimation;for a few days I entertained the idea of learning his crazy rune language
648328;1398736031;decimation;I realized that learning emacs/lisp/forth would be much more profitable
648329;1398736048;asciilifeform;i swallowed all of that crud whole, as it came out of the arse! who's gonna pay that back.
648330;1398736058;asciilifeform;but hey, cost of doing business.
648331;1398736084;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know the story of the woman and the soap ?
648332;1398736088;asciilifeform;?
648333;1398736107;mircea_popescu;at this ranch in new mexico, a very old mexican man with a very young and incredibly slutty wife lived.
648334;1398736108;decimation;yeah one of the unfortunate features of modern electrical engineering is that you find you often invest your soul only to get chickenfeed in return
648335;1398736115;mircea_popescu;everyone fucked her, all the cowboys, all the farm hands...
648336;1398736151;mircea_popescu;one day the rancher takes the old guy aside and points out to him that the woman is a paragon of indiscretion, with all the discretion and awkward shyness you'd expect out of a true blue american.
648337;1398736174;mircea_popescu;the old man is a little amused. "so what of it ? you think cunt is made of soap, to run out with use ?"
648338;1398736206;mircea_popescu;heads are cunts, swallowing shit whole doesn't hurt them any,
648339;1398736213;mircea_popescu;provided the stuff finds its way out too.
648340;1398736223;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's a soviet variant, where the 'horned man', an old army officer, answers 'better to eat honey in company than - shit, by one's lonesome'
648341;1398736229;decimation;except, there are only so many minutes in one's life
648342;1398736241;mircea_popescu;decimation so you saving yours for later ?
648343;1398736253;decimation;that's a fair point
648344;1398736270;mircea_popescu;hehe i'm grateful for not having to explain it.
648345;1398736278;decimation;I guess it's better to have learned and lost than never to have known at all
648346;1398736317;asciilifeform;at any rate, the hilariously funny bit about urbit is that mr. m wrote volumes condemning american academia, pseudo-mathematics in algorithmics, etc. - and then proceeded to crap out a widget emblematic of same.
648347;1398736340;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, all women currently hated by their daughters for being insufferable
648348;1398736347;mircea_popescu;were daughters hating their mothers for being insufferable
648349;1398736350;asciilifeform;lol
648350;1398736354;mircea_popescu;and, of course, swearing to do so much better.
648351;1398736364;mircea_popescu;which was, obviously, quite an easy task, too.
648352;1398736386;asciilifeform;'immutable data,' 'strong typing,' etc. - all crud invented by mathemasturbators in their efforts to pretend that they are proving theorems
648353;1398736387;mircea_popescu;it's only the insufferably devilish nature of the mothers that ruined it, otherwise being cool is straightforward.
648354;1398736508;mircea_popescu;"When people’s lives and careers are subject to litmus tests, and fired if they do not publicly renounce what may well be their sincere conviction, we have crossed a line. This is McCarthyism applied by civil actors. "
648355;1398736520;mircea_popescu;i recall this exact derpage published by... whatever, some libertard legal blog.
648356;1398736525;mircea_popescu;"o, speech has consequences".
648357;1398736554;asciilifeform;mr m & co got a few $mil from vc. i admit that i check back on these folks only in hope of being the first to see when they get sued by a 'diversity' werker for strong typing systems being sexist or whatnot.
648358;1398736584;mircea_popescu;by the way, did you hear about the renaming of semesters at mit ?
648359;1398736591;asciilifeform;!?
648360;1398736598;mircea_popescu;turns out semesters are sexist
648361;1398736602;mircea_popescu;shall be ovesters henceforth.
648362;1398736645;asciilifeform;these folks have sailed over the 'parody horizon' long ago - anything's possible.
648363;1398736650;asciilifeform;laugh now - cry later
648364;1398736735;asciilifeform;'1' is a phallic symbol! henceforth, only '0' is permitted.
648365;1398736765;mircea_popescu;balanced ternary. because lezzies are 10x more likely to live threesomes than heterosexual scum
648366;1398736769;pankkake;unless you have a font with a slashed zero…
648367;1398736796;mircea_popescu;(.) and (|) will be the new digits.
648368;1398736931;BingoBoingo;!up Mats_cd03
648369;1398736931;assbot;Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
648370;1398736935;decimation;speaking of "diversity" worker: http://today.duke.edu/2014/03/tybt
648371;1398736941;decimation;"But as the campaign has gained national popularity, its detractors have bristled at the effort, calling it a politically correct war on words that will stifle free speech and suggesting its true aim is to redefine terms to control public opinion and ? ultimately ? public policy."
648372;1398736972;thestringpuller;;;seen mod6
648373;1398736973;gribble;mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 9 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <mod6> %diff
648374;1398736980;thestringpuller;%diff
648375;1398736983;atcbot;[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 170342.17 in 1921 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -62.59
648376;1398737122;mod6;what's up thestringpuller
648377;1398737129;mircea_popescu;"It’s not going to happen, and when it does, you people will deserve it."
648378;1398737137;mircea_popescu;he means, of course, "It’s not going to happen, and when it does, you people will have deserved it."
648379;1398737141;mircea_popescu;why is grammar a lost art!
648380;1398737186;decimation;because students were insufficiently punished in school for using poor grammar
648381;1398737205;decimation;I actually quoted the above from this link: http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/17212/
648382;1398737401;*;mircea_popescu feels so nice and cozy in his nicely built brick housy. just like a piggy
648383;1398737419;decimation;I think future historians will call this era "the golden age of mendacity"
648384;1398737453;*;BingoBoingo is simply happy the tornados spared this house today
648385;1398737465;decimation;in the US it is customary to make a house out of the cheapest materials available, on the smallest possible lot (to maximize the builder's profit)
648386;1398737482;mircea_popescu;ah, to be rich, and powerful, and say nigger faggot whenever one feels like.
648387;1398737488;mircea_popescu;you know... i may be the only one.
648388;1398737546;BingoBoingo;http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/04/donald_sterling_racism_why_the_los_angeles_clippers_need_to_boycott_their.html
648389;1398737546;ozbot;Donald Sterling racism: Why the Los Angeles Clippers need to boycott their next playoff game.
648390;1398737561;mircea_popescu;lol
648391;1398737570;mircea_popescu;http://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2014/04/05/liberalism-schafft-sich-ab/#comment-3630 << i mean check out this shit.
648392;1398737572;ozbot;Liberalism Schafft Sich Ab | Handle's Haus
648393;1398737575;mircea_popescu;it's beyond contemptible.
648394;1398737591;mircea_popescu;"I think that this agreement, were it feasible, would benefit all concerned."
648395;1398737607;mircea_popescu;guy's simply managed to persuade me that he should indeed be lynched.
648396;1398737643;decimation;yeah I couldn't figure out wtf he was on about
648397;1398737719;mircea_popescu;<decimation> as you have found, moldbug himself is extremely reluctant to take  any action that might have second or third-order effects that displease USG <<< that sorta thing.
648398;1398737742;decimation;"land of the free" indeed
648399;1398737756;mircea_popescu;in general by examining the reality in the field, rather than whatever naive theories of the eager teenagers, one dicovers the opressed generally deserve it.
648400;1398737774;decimation;most of the elite are busy binding the next generation while they fail to reproduce
648401;1398737862;decimation;at the heart of the progressive religion is a great desire to cut loose the straps that bind the devil
648402;1398737873;decimation;all in the name of freedom, liberation, and enlightenment
648403;1398737894;mircea_popescu;i kinda appreciate the sentiment tbh. let the devil be free.
648404;1398737934;decimation;well, there is certainly wisdom in giving people exactly what they want
648405;1398737943;decimation;as punishment
648406;1398737980;mircea_popescu;generally, devils are a lot more fun than the pompous idiots cutting them free.
648407;1398738023;BingoBoingo;Who really wants to go to heaven if you have to live like a Saint while there?
648408;1398738031;mircea_popescu;exactly.
648409;1398738045;mircea_popescu;course, this may be a bitch for anyone trying to raise children or you know, live the life of X.
648410;1398738056;mircea_popescu;but hey. life's supposed to be interesting not satisfactory.
648411;1398738103;decimation;your orthodox fathers would certainly endorse that sentiment
648412;1398738133;mircea_popescu;moreover, all this obsessive, controlling shit...
648413;1398738154;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0045299 = 0.1812 BTC [-]
648414;1398738155;mircea_popescu;humans are supposed to watch half their litter impaled before their very eyes, not to pester them to death with vaporub.
648415;1398738179;mircea_popescu;in short, things are going well, for any natural definition of "well".
648416;1398738277;asciilifeform;in the words of a recent u.s. presidential candidate, 'don't impeach - impale.'
648417;1398738281;decimation;there is no doubt that the west suffers because of its freedom from want
648418;1398738405;BingoBoingo;decimation: Not freedom from want, freedom from intelligible want.
648419;1398738457;decimation;well, I mean "want" as in "want of the actual necessities of life"
648420;1398738466;mircea_popescu;yeah i was thinking, they want aplenty, it's just they never actually confront it.
648421;1398738475;mircea_popescu;this pretense of wantlessness is lulzy.
648422;1398738495;mircea_popescu;decimation yes. actual necessities. such as food, as opposed to fast food.
648423;1398738500;mircea_popescu;!up go1111111
648424;1398738500;assbot;Voicing go1111111 for 30 minutes.
648425;1398738512;mircea_popescu;such as living space as opposed to... whatever.
648426;1398738545;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-04-2014#646935 < there. health care.
648427;1398738549;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
648428;1398738634;asciilifeform;'eat recycled food. it's good for the environment, and ok for you!'
648429;1398738653;mircea_popescu;i actually talked it over with a couple of people over lunch. it's our considered opinion that the difference between the us and the ro health care systems can be distilled in one very simple point :
648430;1398738669;mircea_popescu;romania does not admit tort proceedings for unrealised damages.
648431;1398738670;mircea_popescu;that's it.
648432;1398738673;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNw95c75g7o
648433;1398738674;ozbot;Eat recycled food for a happier healthier life ---  (Judge Dredd movie) -watch stoned - YouTube
648434;1398738694;mircea_popescu;unless you can bring a bill of sale showing your eye is worth $100, you can't get $100 for your eye. and that's that.
648435;1398738702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.00999996 = 0.14 BTC [+]
648436;1398738716;decimation;yeah the "insurance" doctors in the us must carry against unrealized damage claims is an incredible tax
648437;1398738717;mircea_popescu;amusingly, it has exactly zero to do with doctors, hospitals or budgets.
648438;1398738753;mircea_popescu;which is why the entire mess is so difficult to fix : like one of those old products of mad artisanry, nothing works as intended, everything's tied up in unrelated parts.
648439;1398738763;mircea_popescu;if the us were a program, it'd be discarded as unmaintainable.
648440;1398738805;decimation;http://rwcg.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/corrective-glossary/ health care: any arrangement with a corporation in which you send money to them monthly and they sent you a brochure at the beginning, but may or may not pay you anything in return; e.g. ?With Obamacare at least I have health care?
648441;1398738806;ozbot;Corrective glossary | Rhymes With Cars & Girls
648442;1398738835;asciilifeform;paging herr orlov,
648443;1398738836;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2009/08/hunger-insurance.html
648444;1398738836;ozbot;ClubOrlov: Hunger Insurance
648445;1398738837;mircea_popescu;such a stupid name, too. where were all the branding experts ?
648446;1398738846;mircea_popescu;it'll turn into "obama doesn't care" in short order.
648447;1398738857;mircea_popescu;why expose yourself so. i'd have never ok'd that stupid shit.
648448;1398738862;mircea_popescu;i'll make mpex and mpif, not mpcare.
648449;1398738895;decimation;"healthcare (alt.): birth-control pills and/or rubbers"
648450;1398738916;BingoBoingo;The complexity of healthcare billing in the US adds a whole new layer of hell.
648451;1398739057;mircea_popescu;"To be perfectly honest, those jobs are reserved for my children, but yours might still be able to find work as their personal bathroom assistants, if they are docile and pretty... let's pretend you didn't hear that."
648452;1398739068;mircea_popescu;is this supposed to be some sort of dirty secret or something ?
648453;1398739076;mircea_popescu;obviously. docile and pretty or starve. what of it.
648454;1398739080;decimation;there is little doubt that the Augean Stables of the west are piled with mountains of horse shit. who is going to wash them clean?
648455;1398739105;mircea_popescu;decimation james guy, quoted earlier.
648456;1398739239;mircea_popescu;anyway, enough philosophy for one night. later all!
648457;1398739309;decimation;he had a blog for awhile but it appears it was taken over by scammers: https://web.archive.org/web/20120717073425/http://james-g.com/
648458;1398739942;decimation;asciilifeform: had to switch to 4-layer. << did you do your own layout or did you hire that out?
648459;1398740288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC
648460;1398740300;benkay;"unrealized damages" that is to say 'my eyesight was worth 100B, but now i have no eyes, therefore pay me 100B'?
648461;1398740349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 680 @ 0.001 = 0.68 BTC
648462;1398740598;decimation;benkay: don't forget that the lawyers get a big cut of the 100B
648463;1398740703;benkay;decimation: driving more tort suits?
648464;1398740711;decimation;loltron: http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/cryptologic_quarterly/NSA_Culture.pdf :  "NSA will undoubtly have to keep staying agile, valuing qualifications (even if on paper), speed, productivity and decisiveness, while acknowledging the need for accuracy, expertise and informed decisions."
648465;1398740799;decimation;sounds like bureau-speak for "we hire idiots and they produce nothing"
648466;1398740879;asciilifeform;decimation: 100% hand
648467;1398740904;asciilifeform;did you hire that out << must be joking
648468;1398740912;decimation;hehe I figured not
648469;1398740976;decimation;what software did you use for the design?  your choice is either crap open source or crap $$$
648470;1398740993;asciilifeform;combination of both
648471;1398741042;decimation;years ago I did some hand routing with orcad.  It made me feel like a money trapped in a traveling salesman's trunk
648472;1398741050;decimation;s/money/monkey/
648473;1398741099;asciilifeform;i've yet to meet an autorouter 'worth the electrons it's printed on'
648474;1398741106;asciilifeform;but perhaps this is because i don't do winblows
648475;1398741130;decimation;weirdly all of the "good" EE design packages are winblows only
648476;1398741155;decimation;there is a weird divorce in culture between EE's who build hardware and EE's who touch software
648477;1398741172;asciilifeform;it was never entirely clear to me what makes these 'good'
648478;1398741186;asciilifeform;well ok, they'll calculate meanders for HF circuits.
648479;1398741190;asciilifeform;whooptydoo
648480;1398741304;decimation;ascii have you ever used 'qucs'?  I played with it a little bit and found it to be pretty neat
648481;1398741332;asciilifeform;decimation: sure
648482;1398741367;asciilifeform;the only weirdo analogue piece in my current work is the rng, and, as you might expect, it doesn't simulate.
648483;1398741384;decimation;yeah I would think not
648484;1398741422;asciilifeform;(well, technically, sure it does. but to no useful end)
648485;1398741438;decimation;I assume that you aren't clocking the thing very high either?
648486;1398741446;asciilifeform;nope.
648487;1398741452;asciilifeform;what'd be the point
648488;1398741575;decimation;there would be no point, other than to make yourself work harder
648489;1398741646;decimation;http://www.greenarraychips.com/home/documents/greg/WP002-100405-energycons.pdf  Greenarrays has an app note: how to emulate a C machine on top of your asynchronous stack machines
648490;1398741803;asciilifeform;folks expecting to play 'doom' on cardano will be disappointed.
648491;1398741935;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00456341 = 0.1369 BTC [+]
648492;1398742022;decimation;apparently it is popular to prototype the greenarrays chips on a "schmart board": http://www.schmartboard.com/
648493;1398742052;decimation;basically you tack the qfn down and then use a really fine tipped soldering iron to "push" the solder in little grooves up under the chip
648494;1398742054;asciilifeform;one day i'll actually get a hold of a greenarrays
648495;1398742069;decimation;supposedly it works, but it sounds a little hokey to me
648496;1398742079;asciilifeform;decimation: generally i do paste+reflow
648497;1398742088;decimation;yeah that sounds much simpler
648498;1398742122;decimation;that usually implies some cleanup too, but if you have a well-made board with good mask and clean contacts you are usually okay (surface tension of liquid metal is miraculous)
648499;1398742149;asciilifeform;mask, gold contacts.
648500;1398742493;asciilifeform;one can apply paste with stencil, or with pump, or even... toothpick. but this subject is beaten to death elsewhere.
648501;1398742530;asciilifeform;(chinese paste pump, about 100 usd)
648502;1398742655;decimation;I used a syringe, but it got really messy
648503;1398742711;asciilifeform;paste pump consists of the very same syringe, but farts out puffs of air of controlled volume
648504;1398742720;asciilifeform;(in place of plunger)
648505;1398742728;decimation;so you get a little blob instead?
648506;1398742734;asciilifeform;correct
648507;1398742768;asciilifeform;little box, control dial, pedal, two hoses (one to compressor, one to syringe)
648508;1398742784;decimation;sounds legit.  so you have a hot air rework station too I presume?
648509;1398742790;asciilifeform;sure
648510;1398742850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15551 @ 0.00097132 = 15.105 BTC [-]
648511;1398743032;asciilifeform;a hot air tube is
648512;1398743039;asciilifeform;'nt terribly good for reflow, though
648513;1398743047;asciilifeform;i use an ordinary electric hob.
648514;1398743057;asciilifeform;(plus ir thermometer)
648515;1398743104;asciilifeform;steel anvil as heat spreader
648516;1398743118;decimation;what about the traditional modifed toaster oven?
648517;1398743120;asciilifeform;but, there is no shortage of material re: how to do this.
648518;1398743150;asciilifeform;decimation: no oven. space constraints. perhaps in new flat.
648519;1398743189;asciilifeform;generally, when making a few prototypes of something, simple tools suffice.
648520;1398743263;decimation;yeah I think the electric hob would give more control anyway
648521;1398743521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13700 @ 0.00096946 = 13.2816 BTC [-] {2} 
648522;1398743537;benkay;!up the20year1
648523;1398743537;assbot;Voicing the20year1 for 30 minutes.
648524;1398743624;the20year1;yay
648525;1398743887;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 17 @ 0.00999996 = 0.17 BTC [+]
648526;1398743949;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.0775 = 0.155 BTC [+] {2} 
648527;1398744052;the20year1;I'm free
648528;1398745485;benkay;!up random_cat
648529;1398745485;assbot;Voicing random_cat for 30 minutes.
648530;1398745490;benkay;hey random_cat see you tomorrow?
648531;1398745532;benkay;!up los_pantalones
648532;1398745532;assbot;Voicing los_pantalones for 30 minutes.
648533;1398745717;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0344599 = 0.3446 BTC [+]
648534;1398745961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.511998 BTC [+]
648535;1398746068;joecool;;;tlast
648536;1398746070;gribble;437.8
648537;1398746170;benkay;danielpbarron: you've been accumulating some interesting ratings.
648538;1398747334;benkay;lol xdotcom xdotcom_ xdotcom__ how's it going cuz-o?
648539;1398747338;benkay;!up xdotcom
648540;1398747338;assbot;Voicing xdotcom for 30 minutes.
648541;1398747340;benkay;!up xdotcom_
648542;1398747340;assbot;Voicing xdotcom_ for 30 minutes.
648543;1398747341;benkay;!up xdotcom__
648544;1398747341;assbot;Voicing xdotcom__ for 30 minutes.
648545;1398747360;xdotcom__;benkay: thanks for warm welcome
648546;1398747379;xdotcom__;benkay: socking as usual
648547;1398747398;benkay;errybody gotta eat.
648548;1398747426;xdotcom__;benkay: real recognize real
648549;1398747599;benkay;!up everclear
648550;1398747599;assbot;Voicing everclear for 30 minutes.
648551;1398747683;benkay;yo everclear that nick's unregistered in the wot - looks like you're sitting on some prime real estate
648552;1398748505;fluffypony;pankkake: http://i.imgur.com/hFgtAI2.jpg funny man
648553;1398749133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 1141 @ 0.001 = 1.141 BTC
648554;1398749225;Apocalyptic;.d
648555;1398749226;ozbot;6.979 billion | Next Diff in 121 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.3837% in 0d 17h 15m 46s
648556;1398749337;Naphex;morning
648557;1398749499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00097319 = 16.009 BTC [+]
648558;1398750612;fluffypony;Naphex: morning
648559;1398750615;fluffypony;how goes it?
648560;1398750838;fluffypony;http://mybroadband.co.za/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Average-connection-speed-EMEA.jpg
648561;1398750841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00097218 = 8.3607 BTC [-]
648562;1398750845;fluffypony;that makes me a sad panda
648563;1398750894;Naphex;morning fluff, chillin drking coffee
648564;1398750895;Naphex;:D
648565;1398750905;Naphex;getting ready to leave for the office
648566;1398750942;Naphex;i think romania is a bit higher now:P
648567;1398751000;fluffypony;Naphex: they're 7 worldwide in terms of *peak* broadband speeds
648568;1398751011;fluffypony;so fast connections are readily available
648569;1398751020;fluffypony;but lots of people are obviously still on slow connections, which drags the average down
648570;1398751025;Naphex;https://i.imgur.com/I3Dp3ZC.png my ~8usd  home connection
648571;1398751042;benkay;oh the prison
648572;1398751044;Naphex;gonna change it to a 12$ usd  1gb/s connection
648573;1398751052;fluffypony;http://mybroadband.co.za/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Average-Peak-broadband-speed.jpg
648574;1398751069;fluffypony;2nd in the EMEA region
648575;1398751451;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.512 BTC [+]
648576;1398751512;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.51998499 = 2.0799 BTC [+] {4} 
648577;1398751634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+] {3} 
648578;1398751695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52 = 1.04 BTC [+] {2} 
648579;1398751744;joecool;Naphex: comcast is currently paying us for 75/15 at my office
648580;1398751755;joecool;not rly sure what happened there
648581;1398751835;joecool;i always wondered about the broadband rating for romania though, is it counting business/residential connections or just average for ip's there
648582;1398751850;joecool;(ie. run speedtests off gigabit servers all day)
648583;1398751881;Naphex;some bussiness actually have worse
648584;1398751890;Naphex;then residential consumers
648585;1398751914;Naphex;most ISP's focus were apartment buildings so thats what got cabled with fiber optics first
648586;1398751931;fluffypony;that's bizarre
648587;1398751932;Naphex;while some bussines or office buildings are still stuck to whatever worse
648588;1398752066;Naphex;for example, like 1.5 years ago best bussiness contract was something like 120$ for 100Mb/s (generic contracts)
648589;1398752488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00096936 = 36.5449 BTC [-] {2} 
648590;1398753007;fluffypony;!up BohemianHacks
648591;1398753007;assbot;Voicing BohemianHacks for 30 minutes.
648592;1398753022;BohemianHacks;Thank you
648593;1398753033;fluffypony;no problemo
648594;1398753061;fluffypony;BohemianHacks: there's a voice model in here, blog post on it - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
648595;1398753061;BohemianHacks;I like the idea of investing in real businesses over mining hardware but that seemed pretty hard to find.
648596;1398753077;fluffypony;yeah mining hardware is flogging a dead horse
648597;1398753084;fluffypony;for the most part
648598;1398753093;BohemianHacks;besides I would rather have fpga's to play with at my house
648599;1398753105;BohemianHacks;then I can repurpose them at no real loss
648600;1398753110;fluffypony;yeah
648601;1398753130;fluffypony;there are some interesting crypto-based businesses out there
648602;1398753138;BohemianHacks;oh hey I used to have a minor rep with gribble
648603;1398753142;fluffypony;you still do :)
648604;1398753147;BohemianHacks;really?
648605;1398753151;fluffypony;;;gettrust BohemianHacks
648606;1398753151;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user BohemianHacks: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=BohemianHacks | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BohemianHacks | Rated since: Wed Apr  4 23:20:38 2012
648607;1398753154;BohemianHacks;I forgot all about it
648608;1398753158;fluffypony;from 2012
648609;1398753160;BohemianHacks;I think I fucked up and lost my key
648610;1398753170;BohemianHacks;so I just never used it again
648611;1398753177;BohemianHacks;I like this nick too much :D
648612;1398753187;fluffypony;lol
648613;1398753192;fluffypony;were you GPG registered or just with Bitcoin-signed auth?
648614;1398753201;BohemianHacks;GPG
648615;1398753213;fluffypony;ah yeah, if you've lost your key that's curtains for that
648616;1398753233;BohemianHacks;Pretty much, I tend to switch distros and clean up my harddrive tons
648617;1398753243;fluffypony;maybe nanotube can weigh on this if there's any recourse
648618;1398753274;fluffypony;anyway getting back to cryptocurrency companies
648619;1398753311;fluffypony;I think the biggest thing is that you have to make a distinction between a fiat-profitable company looking to raise fiat funds, but doing so in BTC for convenience
648620;1398753331;fluffypony;that sort of investment will most likely never be profitable from a BTC perspective
648621;1398753375;BohemianHacks;I think I'm mostly looking for options that are low risk low yield as crypto already has risk built in
648622;1398753399;BohemianHacks;Just to let my coins hang out and get some kind of return would be nice
648623;1398753415;fluffypony;http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/ <- that's coming soon
648624;1398753416;ozbot;The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
648625;1398753442;fluffypony;~May 5th
648626;1398753506;fluffypony;BohemianHacks: also this is a good read - http://trilema.com/2013/the-best-investments-in-the-history-of-bitcoin/
648627;1398753562;BohemianHacks;So you like mpex over cryptostocks?
648628;1398753568;BohemianHacks;any particular reason?
648629;1398753574;fluffypony;yeah definitely
648630;1398753583;fluffypony;well
648631;1398753588;BohemianHacks;I would really like to check these guys out is the main reason http://www.bitcoinkinetics.cc/invest.html
648632;1398753604;BohemianHacks;and they are doing an IPO on cryptostocks
648633;1398753604;fluffypony;if you're shorting the stock I suppose cryptostocks is an option
648634;1398753635;fluffypony;but if you want to plug some money into something and walk away and let it do its thing, mpex is a significantly safer option
648635;1398753641;Naphex;site looks like poop
648636;1398753659;fluffypony;at the end of the day you have to do your own due diligence and invest in whatever makes the most sense to you
648637;1398753677;BohemianHacks;Naphex: that it does, which is a bit iffy as a tech company but they have some legit ideas
648638;1398753690;fluffypony;what is concerning about cryptostocks is that there's no due diligence done, not even the smallest little bit
648639;1398753693;BohemianHacks;I think taxes and other issues may halt them like many other bitcoin atm companies
648640;1398753715;BohemianHacks;fluffypony: yeah fraud protection is a must
648641;1398753719;BohemianHacks;at least to some degree
648642;1398753730;fluffypony;BohemianHacks: you heard what happened with Dragon's Tale right?
648643;1398753736;fluffypony;https://cryptostocks.com/securities/67
648644;1398753766;Naphex;http://www.bitcoinkinetics.cc/bitticket.html
648645;1398753766;ozbot;BitTicket
648646;1398753769;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00462306 = 0.3005 BTC [+] {2} 
648647;1398753776;BohemianHacks;nope just getting back into crypto really
648648;1398753787;fluffypony;BohemianHacks: so some dude listed Dragon's Tale on CryptoStocks
648649;1398753795;fluffypony;except it wasn't the dude that started/owned Dragon's Tale
648650;1398753796;BohemianHacks;I have been working on a bunch of other projects and I am thinking my payments will largely be in coin
648651;1398753799;fluffypony;just some random guy
648652;1398753804;BohemianHacks;so Im checking things out again
648653;1398753821;BohemianHacks;oh dang yeah thats pretty shady
648654;1398753830;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0344599 = 0.2757 BTC [+]
648655;1398753841;fluffypony;yeah
648656;1398753845;fluffypony;and a bunch of people bought
648657;1398753886;BohemianHacks;I need to get gpg set up again
648658;1398753898;BohemianHacks;Part my delay right now is that I need to be more secure this time
648659;1398753909;BohemianHacks;I had coins all over the place and stored in unsafe ways
648660;1398753912;fluffypony;that's a good starting point :)
648661;1398753923;BohemianHacks;I lost some but didn't get robbed or anything
648662;1398753936;BohemianHacks;so I am working out the best system for storting my coins and keys
648663;1398753949;fluffypony;davout: bonjour, professeur davout!
648664;1398753964;davout;fluffypony: ohai
648665;1398753971;davout;imma start selling my time
648666;1398753974;BohemianHacks;I would like a single key and a cold storage wallet and then just not worry about it from there. So long as I have a safe place to store some
648667;1398754013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00097624 = 27.2371 BTC [+] {3} 
648668;1398754020;Naphex;BIP32?
648669;1398754030;Naphex;http://bip32.org/
648670;1398754031;fluffypony;BohemianHacks: a simple-ish solution is Electrum; deterministic key (so you only have to scribble down 12 words and save them), and it's bip32 encrypted
648671;1398754031;ozbot;BIP32 - JavaScript Deterministic Wallets
648672;1398754045;fluffypony;(for your hot wallet)
648673;1398754052;fluffypony;and then bip32 paper wallet for the cold wallet
648674;1398754058;Naphex;or just use bip32
648675;1398754108;BohemianHacks;So what can I use this key for? why not just generate one with gpg?
648676;1398754119;Naphex;http://sx.dyne.org/hdkeys.html / https://github.com/vbuterin/pybitcointools
648677;1398754120;ozbot;8. HD Keys (BIP32) — sx 1 documentation
648678;1398754132;BohemianHacks;or do you have some basic info on it?
648679;1398754138;fluffypony;BohemianHacks: this is for generating a Bitcoin address/private key from a passphrase
648680;1398754153;BohemianHacks;gotcha, but couldn't this site just keep my private key?
648681;1398754165;fluffypony;it's all JS
648682;1398754171;fluffypony;so you can download and run it offline
648683;1398754179;BohemianHacks;hmm
648684;1398754189;fluffypony;depends on the level of paranoia you're aiming for :)
648685;1398754189;Naphex;https://github.com/bip32/bip32.github.io download it and save it and run it locally
648686;1398754192;Naphex;if you want
648687;1398754212;BohemianHacks;and what does this have over bitcoin-qt and such?
648688;1398754230;fluffypony;BohemianHacks: for your hot wallet this http://electrum.org
648689;1398754270;BohemianHacks;VERY nice looking
648690;1398754273;fluffypony;bip32 is good for your cold wallet, you'd then be able to regenerate the private key from the seed at any point in the future, and import the privkey into Electrum / Bitcoin-QT / whatever
648691;1398754287;fluffypony;but Electrum is solid for a hot wallet
648692;1398754288;BohemianHacks;aaah thats exactly what I need
648693;1398754293;BohemianHacks;thanks very much
648694;1398754310;BohemianHacks;I will wait until i get home to my xubuntu, fully encrypted hard drive though
648695;1398754316;fluffypony;cool beans
648696;1398754318;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6917 @ 0.00096928 = 6.7045 BTC [-]
648697;1398754324;BohemianHacks;paranoid fun!
648698;1398754344;BohemianHacks;its always nice to store 37 cents in a 40 inch thick steel safe
648699;1398754348;fluffypony;lol
648700;1398754368;BohemianHacks;I still can't believe how many people use smartphone wallets thoughf
648701;1398754381;BohemianHacks;malware is way out pacing security on mobile
648702;1398754386;fluffypony;yeah it's asking for trouble
648703;1398754402;fluffypony;have you been seeing all the people getting Bitcoin/Dogecoin stolen from that malicious Chrome extension?
648704;1398754419;BohemianHacks;naw but I believe it
648705;1398754429;fluffypony;I mean, they have this dodgy extension installed, and then they go and transact on CoinBase
648706;1398754434;BohemianHacks;I thought about going back to the dark side, but its still not worth it
648707;1398754437;fluffypony;and it just changes the destination address
648708;1398754459;BohemianHacks;after you turn 18 cyber crime risk out weighs the reward, even if your morals dont stop you
648709;1398754487;fluffypony;yep
648710;1398754584;Naphex;well don't run bitcoin transactions on browsers with untrusted or crap extensions
648711;1398754601;Naphex;chrome extensions run in ring0 from clientJS PoV
648712;1398754618;Naphex;so they can totally overpass anything with targeted attacks
648713;1398754627;fluffypony;Naphex: which is exactly what happened
648714;1398754633;fluffypony;my favourite are the "solutions" on Reddit
648715;1398754636;Naphex;be safe if you're about to sign transactions client-side
648716;1398754653;BohemianHacks;just use lynx :P
648717;1398754657;fluffypony;"if I have to transfer my coins from CoinBase I do it 1 at a time...it might take a while, but at least you can catch it happening"
648718;1398754673;Naphex;:)))
648719;1398754675;fluffypony;because no malware has ever changed amounts
648720;1398754698;Naphex;what about just keeping your PC clean, and maybe running chrome in incognito without extensions
648721;1398754701;Naphex;as a precaution
648722;1398754717;fluffypony;in incognito it already disables extensions afaik
648723;1398754722;Naphex;but a better principle would be having a clean not infected with every crapware/spyware software possible
648724;1398754723;fluffypony;you have to explicitly trust the extension
648725;1398754729;Naphex;or something bad is going to happen at some point
648726;1398754752;Naphex;those extensions might as well steal identity info, banking info, company secrets whatever else
648727;1398754780;BohemianHacks;Just running linux and a non-standard version of firefox makes things much safer
648728;1398754788;BohemianHacks;I dont really worry too much about browser side stuff
648729;1398754809;BohemianHacks;and I dont run extensions other than RES
648730;1398754834;fluffypony;RES is awesome
648731;1398754884;fluffypony;!up BohemianHacks
648732;1398754884;assbot;Voicing BohemianHacks for 30 minutes.
648733;1398756087;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 237 @ 0.001 = 0.237 BTC
648734;1398756146;Naphex;so... why not support something like this
648735;1398756179;Naphex;$ host -t txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro
648736;1398756180;Naphex;naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro descriptive text "v:btc1 addr:12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu signature:IDAbYX4Pyv2SogoQghe9k8XhKyJI+hedb0uvryrNXhkD197beYw+g4XP7xsXdkcpWe3lH1BJMynqCIBX+/vUY8M="
648737;1398756418;fluffypony;interesting
648738;1398756439;fluffypony;what's the signature? is the message just the domain?
648739;1398756462;Naphex;domain + address,
648740;1398756468;Naphex;add another record like that for the reverse
648741;1398756481;fluffypony;is there a standard for this?
648742;1398756485;fluffypony;why not suggest it as a BIP?
648743;1398756586;Naphex;is just a quick tought, idealy there would be some other mechanisms
648744;1398756595;Naphex;to prevent dns spoofing
648745;1398756610;fluffypony;Naphex my DNS knowledge is spotty
648746;1398756619;fluffypony;but aren't TXT records always canonical?
648747;1398756714;Naphex;in which sense?
648748;1398756750;fluffypony;no wait nm, I just twigged what you meant wrt dns spoofing
648749;1398756790;Naphex;i meant someone hopping on your dns server and just setting all addresses to his:p
648750;1398756810;fluffypony;well here's something else to consider
648751;1398756831;fluffypony;if a malicious person runs a DNS server
648752;1398756904;fluffypony;they have a financially viable reason to spew out bad records
648753;1398756914;fluffypony;so the only way to do it as a standard
648754;1398756957;fluffypony;would be to force the bitcoin client to get it from the root ns' for that domain
648755;1398757111;Naphex;well you can do dnssec and stuff
648756;1398757115;Naphex;too authenticate the data
648757;1398757169;fluffypony;I like the idea
648758;1398757171;Naphex;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System_Security_Extensions
648759;1398757172;ozbot;Domain Name System Security Extensions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
648760;1398757192;Naphex;you could just use google pub dns servers, and place some trust on them, they support dnssec
648761;1398757200;fluffypony;cool
648762;1398757205;Naphex;so you can make sure to query 8.8.8.8 / 8.8.4.4
648763;1398757230;fluffypony;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=100253.0
648764;1398757231;ozbot;Supply Bitcoin addresses in DNS records
648765;1398757232;fluffypony;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=31716.0
648766;1398757233;ozbot;Bitcoin DNS addresses
648767;1398757242;fluffypony;looks like it comes up every year
648768;1398757265;fluffypony;and nobody runs with it
648769;1398757346;fluffypony;Naphex: I think this is going to be the preferred solution once it's in common use - https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0070.mediawiki
648770;1398757400;fluffypony;(at least for merchants and services)
648771;1398757429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95894 @ 0.00097678 = 93.6673 BTC [+] {5} 
648772;1398757517;Naphex;yeah i know bip70
648773;1398757543;fluffypony;dude you should seriously put this up as a BIP for discussion
648774;1398757564;Naphex;you could still stick to the dns and use x509/pki in the same way
648775;1398757569;Naphex;or use gpg
648776;1398757578;*;fluffypony ponders
648777;1398757580;fluffypony;I wonder
648778;1398757602;Naphex;but with dnssec you can move validation up
648779;1398757605;fluffypony;is there any issue with having lots of txt records?
648780;1398757610;Naphex;bip70 you will have to validate the pki
648781;1398757631;Naphex;nah, and you lookup specific txt records
648782;1398757635;fluffypony;ok so
648783;1398757645;fluffypony;why not have a user@domain standard
648784;1398757652;fluffypony;instead of for the whole domain
648785;1398757665;fluffypony;so if I send moneyz to naphex@btcxchange.ro
648786;1398757674;fluffypony;it looks up the txt record for you
648787;1398757674;fluffypony;verifies
648788;1398757677;Naphex;you can use whatever as long as it rezolves and validates
648789;1398757709;fluffypony;in fact
648790;1398757722;fluffypony;that could work for merchants too if it's a BIP71 compatible URI
648791;1398757738;Naphex;aye, or anyone just a lookup function
648792;1398757784;Naphex;you can go dynamic on it using bip32 pub keys, or have custom dns software deliver unique addresses
648793;1398757848;fluffypony;ok but for the sake of simplicity a person in control of their DNS records can just add a TXT record for themselves with their BTC addy + signature, right?
648794;1398757856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1900 @ 0.00006104 = 0.116 BTC [-] {5} 
648795;1398757864;Naphex;yep
648796;1398757874;Naphex;and dnssec setup if he wants to authenticate that data
648797;1398757881;fluffypony;cool
648798;1398757950;Naphex;i might set up a play service this weekend
648799;1398757958;Naphex;vacation time in romania, might as well have some fun
648800;1398757981;fluffypony;cool beans
648801;1398757994;fluffypony;once everyone reads through this log I'm sure there will be some input
648802;1398758008;fluffypony;and then let's plz BIP it, I'll do the grunt work of writing the BIP if you're feeling lazy
648803;1398758108;Naphex;i'll build up a service and see if we can poke holes in it, dnssec sign each zone, and reverse/point fowards for the addresses
648804;1398758178;Naphex;or another record field, where you can reverse associate the address to the specific dns signature
648805;1398758183;fluffypony;sounds good
648806;1398758193;Naphex;so atleast you're setting up trust in all ways, and can be verified
648807;1398758270;Naphex;mircea will like it cause you can use GPG directories/certs http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnssec-certs-04#section-3.2
648808;1398758649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00096908 = 20.5445 BTC [-]
648809;1398758893;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 536 @ 0.00020062 = 0.1075 BTC [-] {2} 
648810;1398761150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0336663 = 0.1683 BTC [-]
648811;1398761882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00097627 = 14.4976 BTC [+]
648812;1398763366;jurov;http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/04/29/accounting-for-the-amazing-company-the-bitcointalk-standard/ show some love for pankkake :)
648813;1398763366;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
648814;1398763367;ozbot;Accounting for the Amazing Company. The Bitcointalk standard. | pankkake
648815;1398763677;jurov;i love when i register for various crap and then get sudden lulzies
648816;1398763694;jurov;"..some of the pre-reserved domains will soon be available for purchase. The domain(s) in question are: bitcoin.bargains bitcoin.cheap"
648817;1398763704;fluffypony;lol
648818;1398763834;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0344597 = 0.5858 BTC [+] {2} 
648819;1398763863;jurov;!up BohemianHacks
648820;1398763863;assbot;Voicing BohemianHacks for 30 minutes.
648821;1398763877;jurov;!up MiningBuddy-
648822;1398763877;assbot;Voicing MiningBuddy- for 30 minutes.
648823;1398763890;jurov;!up phish
648824;1398763890;assbot;Voicing phish for 30 minutes.
648825;1398763926;BohemianHacks;Thanks jurov, im actually about to get to work though :D
648826;1398763961;jurov;speaking is not compulsory
648827;1398763967;jurov;just feels so :)
648828;1398764330;BingoBoingo;Logging on you own though... You never know when assbot will go down
648829;1398764566;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC
648830;1398764590;fluffypony;kakobrekla should host assbot on the MaidSafe (tm) network
648831;1398764600;fluffypony;for only a few SafeCoins (tm) a day (tm)
648832;1398764618;fluffypony;oh wait nm, they don't actually have a product
648833;1398764794;fluffypony;http://blog.maidsafe.net/2014/04/23/maidsafe-sells-6-million-of-bitcoin-2-0-software-in-five-hours-press-release/
648834;1398764795;ozbot;MaidSafe Sells $6 Million of Bitcoin 2.0 Software in Five Hours – Press Release | MaidSafe
648835;1398764823;fluffypony;oh wow, I didn't know that we're already on Bitcoin 2.0
648836;1398764830;fluffypony;when Bitcoin 1.0 hadn't been released yet
648837;1398765054;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00012414 = 0.1862 BTC [+]
648838;1398765461;BingoBoingo;There is no real Bitcoin after 0.7
648839;1398765801;jurov;can it be shorted?
648840;1398765825;fluffypony;jurov: I don't think so
648841;1398765837;jurov;i guess they shorting was "omitted" from mastercoin protocol
648842;1398765840;fluffypony;I don't see any concrete plans for trading "stock" in the company
648843;1398765851;fluffypony;except "ohai mastercoin"
648844;1398765853;jurov;no i mean mastercoins as such
648845;1398765857;fluffypony;oic oic
648846;1398765858;fluffypony;I have nfi
648847;1398765955;jurov;morning mircea
648848;1398765969;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: guten Tag
648849;1398765980;mircea_popescu;hey!
648850;1398765985;mircea_popescu;%t
648851;1398765989;atcbot;[X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 225 Last Price: 190 24h-Vol: 35k High: 200 Low: 160 VWAP: 190
648852;1398765996;fluffypony;Ce mai faci?
648853;1398766000;mircea_popescu;bine!
648854;1398766038;mircea_popescu;tu ce mai faci ?
648855;1398766051;fluffypony;Mulţumesc, bine
648856;1398766070;mircea_popescu;o hey look at that, special chars.
648857;1398766080;mircea_popescu;did you set up a ro kbd just to impress me ?
648858;1398766091;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00447518 = 0.179 BTC [-]
648859;1398766118;fluffypony;lol
648860;1398766125;fluffypony;cut-and-paste from a Romanian phrasebook
648861;1398766126;fluffypony;much easier
648862;1398766150;fluffypony;the pronunciation is trippy compared to Italian
648863;1398766179;fluffypony;except Salut, which is pretty universal ;)
648864;1398766180;mircea_popescu;yea.
648865;1398766285;mircea_popescu;consulem romanorum regii Pyrrhi salutem
648866;1398766289;mircea_popescu;what's that say ?
648867;1398766311;*;fluffypony consults the phrase book
648868;1398766326;mircea_popescu;lol
648869;1398766346;mircea_popescu;i doubt the web has reached that deep into the classical antiquity yet/
648870;1398766347;fluffypony;Romanian looks more like Latin than Italian does
648871;1398766388;BingoBoingo;It's latin..
648872;1398766400;fluffypony;oh
648873;1398766403;fluffypony;well there you go
648874;1398766415;fluffypony;no wonder the Romanian phrasebook wasn't helping me
648875;1398766431;mircea_popescu;lol
648876;1398766450;mircea_popescu;well it does salut in it, which is pretty universal. and orbiversal.
648877;1398766478;mircea_popescu;(this is a joke. based on "urbi et orbi", literally "to the town and to the globe")
648878;1398766487;fluffypony;lol
648879;1398766493;fluffypony;you literally broke my brain
648880;1398766500;mircea_popescu;you're numerically welcome.
648881;1398766509;fluffypony;literally hitler
648882;1398766526;fluffypony;hmmmmm...numerically hitler would be interesting
648883;1398766700;mircea_popescu;benkay:
648884;1398766700;mircea_popescu;"unrealized damages" that is to say 'my eyesight was worth 100B, but now i have no eyes, therefore pay me 100B'? << exactly.
648885;1398766740;mircea_popescu;decimation: sounds like bureau-speak for "we hire idiots and they produce nothing" << bounce disagrees, argue with him, i'd like to watch. ty both :)
648886;1398766823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0678 = 0.2034 BTC [+]
648887;1398767125;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: folks expecting to play 'doom' on cardano will be disappointed. << you know back i nthe day one way to make the old impossible amiga games playable was to downclock the damned things
648888;1398767240;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform: decimation: no oven. space constraints. perhaps in new flat. << you know stan, i hear 500 bucks buys one quite a few acres of open land in patagonia. and since it never rains... don't even really need a roof.
648889;1398767248;mircea_popescu;build a succession of spacious yurts.
648890;1398767302;mircea_popescu;i suspect this would be the ideal living arrangement for the true hardware engineer : much like a silkworm's. built a yurt roughly 10 body lengths in diameter, fill it with material slower.
648891;1398767316;mircea_popescu;when full, build a new one a little off, carry whatever pieces of the old one you wish.
648892;1398767342;mircea_popescu;keep doing this. at any point you want something from the oild yurts, just go drag it to the current one. (never ever move stuff back tho, only forward)
648893;1398767364;mircea_popescu;there's probably a yurting period one could observe over the duration of his life, if he had the freedom do live in a manner adequate to his own manner.
648894;1398767421;mircea_popescu;you could have a million acres dedicated to this, like a sort of modern silicon valley / smarts farm. each accepted person gets his own line.
648895;1398767440;mircea_popescu;see who gets the furthest. "bob is so much further ahead of me" finally means something, geographically. etc.
648896;1398767552;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: that makes me a sad panda  << you can take solace in the knowledge that the thing is complete bs.
648897;1398767599;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: our Internet is shitty tho
648898;1398767599;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: but lots of people are obviously still on slow connections, which drags the average down << nope. you can't currently get anything under 100mbps even if you want to pay specifically for it. it's just not economical to maintain the old stuff.
648899;1398767606;mircea_popescu;that it may be yea
648900;1398767700;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: that's bizarre << now you understand romania.
648901;1398767707;fluffypony;lol
648902;1398767780;mircea_popescu;BohemianHacks: Pretty much, I tend to switch distros and clean up my harddrive tons << either that, or tend to try and social engineer off old dormant cool sounding nicks.
648903;1398767826;mircea_popescu;BohemianHacks: So you like mpex over cryptostocks? << lol ok this shit's epic.
648904;1398767837;mircea_popescu;one day i'll understand how it works.
648905;1398767875;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: nickserv says otherwise
648906;1398767884;fluffypony;and his github
648907;1398767910;mircea_popescu;fluffypony nickserv is not authoritative. freenode gives away names and chans that were abandoined.
648908;1398767912;mircea_popescu;you just have to ask.
648909;1398767921;mircea_popescu;what's his github say ?
648910;1398767922;fluffypony;I know, but then the registration info changes
648911;1398767934;fluffypony;because they drop the nick
648912;1398767937;fluffypony;and let you register it
648913;1398767946;mircea_popescu;this is a point actually.
648914;1398767959;fluffypony;https://github.com/BohemianHacks
648915;1398768019;mircea_popescu;fluffypony but that is the github of someone named thus.
648916;1398768039;mircea_popescu;you understand ? identity is a flimsy beast.
648917;1398768044;fluffypony;I do
648918;1398768063;mircea_popescu;good cause i think many people don't. to judge by the banks etc at least.
648919;1398768069;mircea_popescu;!up BohemianHacks
648920;1398768069;assbot;Voicing BohemianHacks for 30 minutes.
648921;1398768076;fluffypony;which is why losing your privkeys generally == identity suicide
648922;1398768104;fluffypony;I think we're talking in his absence - [11:32:06]  <+BohemianHacks> Thanks jurov, im actually about to get to work though :D
648923;1398768116;mircea_popescu;BohemianHacks so i'm very curious, how did you proceed to come to the idea that mpex and cryptostocks are in any sense tyhe same thing, or in any way comparable ?
648924;1398768137;mircea_popescu;fluffypony well maybe he gets through the logs.
648925;1398768145;fluffypony;tru dat
648926;1398768153;BohemianHacks;because they are both coin investment platforms, thats pretty similar
648927;1398768166;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I invited him in here as he was expressing an interest in investing in crypto-based stocks
648928;1398768167;BohemianHacks;a quick google puts them in the same group, so its not like that is wildly off base
648929;1398768177;fluffypony;thought it best for him to get some proper info :)
648930;1398768182;mircea_popescu;so in the sense of "stuff to do with bitcoin" ?
648931;1398768202;BohemianHacks;no, you are investing your coin in the hope to get a return
648932;1398768208;BohemianHacks;lotteries, stocks, funds
648933;1398768214;BohemianHacks;all fall under that umbrella
648934;1398768215;mircea_popescu;but you can't invest in a lottery.
648935;1398768222;mircea_popescu;i guess there's the disconnect. aite.
648936;1398768230;BohemianHacks;sure you can, its a poor one but you can
648937;1398768245;BohemianHacks;buying 1000 lottery tickets usually wont pay out, but its an investment to some people
648938;1398768248;mircea_popescu;this poor word invest. it happens to be a term of art in finance, of course, but it's been (recently, since the internet) been coopted as a colloquialism
648939;1398768272;BohemianHacks;"expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture."
648940;1398768290;mircea_popescu;BohemianHacks you can't, for the following reason : in order for something t obe an investment, it requires two things. a) that you've done research and b) that the research indicates +EV.
648941;1398768306;BohemianHacks;no thats just good investing
648942;1398768307;mircea_popescu;now, lotteries fail on b. and if you're not aware of this, it fails on a.
648943;1398768348;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I think the word has been coopted by the Jimmothy School of Smart Investmenting
648944;1398768362;mircea_popescu;well sure, i guess in the sense of, "good dentistry" is what happens at the dentist's office, and plain dentistry is what happens at the bare
648945;1398768368;mircea_popescu;once the punches start flrying
648946;1398768378;mircea_popescu;bar*
648947;1398768392;BohemianHacks;No as in the definition of the word
648948;1398768406;mircea_popescu;the "definition of the word" according to whom ?
648949;1398768431;BohemianHacks;"the profession or science dealing with the prevention and treatment of diseases and malformations of the teeth, gums, and oral cavity, and the removal, correction, and replacement of decayed, damaged, or lost parts, including such operations as the filling and crowning of teeth, the straightening of teeth, and the construction of artificial dentures. "
648950;1398768440;BohemianHacks;dentistry ^
648951;1398768447;BohemianHacks;the dictionary dude, we have these things for a reason
648952;1398768451;BohemianHacks;"expend money with the expectation of achieving a profit or material result by putting it into financial schemes, shares, or property, or by using it to develop a commercial venture."
648953;1398768453;BohemianHacks;^invest
648954;1398768502;mircea_popescu;"the dictionary" is meaningless.
648955;1398768504;mircea_popescu;"we" similarly.
648956;1398768512;mircea_popescu;did you mean a webpage somewhere ?
648957;1398768529;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: don't be too pedantic with the newbies :-P
648958;1398768531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11783 @ 0.00097627 = 11.5034 BTC [+]
648959;1398768543;mircea_popescu;anyway, to continue the saga of the poor word "invest" : originally, it denoted the act of comitting your army to a siege. which was, expensive and dangerous a proceeding.
648960;1398768551;BohemianHacks;meh, this is a waste of time. I get you are trying to prove a point about safe investing, but thats the definition of the word. Buying tons of lotto tickets is dumb, but it IS investing.
648961;1398768560;mircea_popescu;then the merchants stole it, because at the time the only thing the town merchant feared was the soldier, so he wanted to steal his stuff.
648962;1398768576;mircea_popescu;similarly today, the only thing the city poor / welfare bunnies fear is the 19th century capitalist
648963;1398768579;mircea_popescu;and so...
648964;1398768600;mircea_popescu;BohemianHacks im not trying to prove anything really, i'm just exploring where exactly we differ.
648965;1398768619;mircea_popescu;i don't know you well enough yet to actually care what you think for its own sake.
648966;1398768628;BohemianHacks;Same :D
648967;1398768647;mircea_popescu;fluffypony yeah, i just maxed the pedantry scale did i ?
648968;1398768654;mircea_popescu;.bait
648969;1398768655;ozbot;http://37.media.tumblr.com/93053ba6dbb3f548d489c84a4e607588/tumblr_n2iu2trjaV1rz1q6ko1_500.gif
648970;1398768658;fluffypony;lawlz
648971;1398768666;punkman;Buying tons of lotto tickets is dumb, but it IS investing. <- it "feels" like investing to a lot of people, it's all about "feelings"
648972;1398768676;mircea_popescu;meh shitty bait ozzie. how am i to restore world balance thus ?
648973;1398768677;mircea_popescu;.bait
648974;1398768679;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/e96f81d29cec91e9b9a0f6025f77add3/tumblr_n3de5nJDH31rz1q6ko1_1280.jpg
648975;1398768702;mircea_popescu;punkman pretty much. just like webpages "feel" like dictionaries.
648976;1398768715;mircea_popescu;culture world problems.
648977;1398768738;mircea_popescu;!up Curious_George
648978;1398768738;assbot;Voicing Curious_George for 30 minutes.
648979;1398768776;punkman;like NeoBee "felt" it was a good idea to "invest" in excessive advertising
648980;1398768802;BohemianHacks;You guys are entertaining.
648981;1398768802;mircea_popescu;punkman im still waiting for the psychanalist to go into massive bitcoin exploratory expedxitions.
648982;1398768808;mircea_popescu;been trying to lure some but to little awail so far.
648983;1398768822;mircea_popescu;BohemianHacks you aware what the best description of this chan is, according to chan consensus so far ?
648984;1398768850;fluffypony;punkman: buy ALL of the advertizings. ALL of it.
648985;1398768869;BohemianHacks;so far it seems false etymology
648986;1398768890;mircea_popescu;wait, what ?!
648987;1398768898;mircea_popescu;ignorant ~and~ arrogant ?!
648988;1398768920;BohemianHacks;Clearly im the arrogant one here.
648989;1398768935;punkman;I like mp's definition better than the dictionary
648990;1398768949;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: except it wasn't the dude that started/owned Dragon's Tale << that was a riot. tepi's face lol.
648991;1398768964;fluffypony;I can imagine
648992;1398769044;mircea_popescu;i think this Wywiał guy may be on track to write more than me.
648993;1398769057;mircea_popescu;;;later tell numeristrade you ever considered starting a blog ?
648994;1398769058;gribble;The operation succeeded.
648995;1398769244;mircea_popescu;so apparently teh chinese just demolished a pretty old church. this thing https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmTiGh7CUAER9Zz.jpg:large
648996;1398769337;mircea_popescu;BohemianHacks: after you turn 18 cyber crime risk out weighs the reward, even if your morals dont stop you << well, my curiosity continues. how did you compute that ?
648997;1398769477;mircea_popescu;Naphex: you could just use google pub dns servers, and place some trust on them, they support dnssec << myeah. some people learned the hard way why not trust linode. it cost them 40k btc or so, linode offered a half-apology and $50 in vouchers.
648998;1398769493;BohemianHacks;You are asking for a computation on a subjective matter, good luck getting real numbers.
648999;1398769495;mircea_popescu;same principle. don't use a public service of a large provider that has the power to survive you in the market.
649000;1398769515;mircea_popescu;BohemianHacks it would seem you made an objective statement, but perhaps we're stuck on different language spaces again.
649001;1398769550;BohemianHacks;I was talking about myself and failure to see that is entirely on you.
649002;1398769625;BohemianHacks;part of the risk involved with any crime is loss of freedom, the value of the is completely subjective
649003;1398769664;BohemianHacks;so if you can't see that anything dealing with that topic would be subjective, I can't really help you.
649004;1398769665;mircea_popescu;i c.
649005;1398769719;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: looks like it comes up every year and nobody runs with it << because it's a fucking stupid idea.
649006;1398769744;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: elaborate plx
649007;1398769814;mircea_popescu;on one hand, having a third party involved in any bitcoin transaction, in any way, is breaking the protocol. on the other hand, the pki/dns infrastructure is beyond rotten. tying it into any sort of live project is like taking a spleen off a rotting cadaver and putting it into someone's gut.
649008;1398769855;fluffypony;but you can check directly with the NS for the domain?
649009;1398769876;mircea_popescu;how do you check ?
649010;1398769892;fluffypony;whois
649011;1398769897;mircea_popescu;that ain't "directly".
649012;1398769906;fluffypony;fair enough, I get your point
649013;1398769912;mircea_popescu;aite.
649014;1398769929;fluffypony;ok so then the problem is that you have to communicate addresses somehow
649015;1398769935;fluffypony;phone / email / whatever
649016;1398769944;mircea_popescu;gpg signed works.
649017;1398769951;fluffypony;so everything is open to interception and breakage, to a greater or lesser degree
649018;1398769955;mircea_popescu;i mean it's not like the problem doesn't have a perfect solution alreayd.
649019;1398769962;fluffypony;yeah
649020;1398769968;mircea_popescu;it's just that some [mostly irrelevant] people have decided they don't want to apply the solutionb.
649021;1398769984;mircea_popescu;because "dictionary" or whatever. which is fine, but also, killing them is the general goal of entropy.
649022;1398770096;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: the problem is we come full circle back to the adoption problem - as much as you want to keep Bitcoin in the hands of the techno-competent, it is going to spread, and the n00bs are going to need n00bish solutions because they aren't going to learn to use GPG no matter how often people get hacked / lose money
649023;1398770111;mircea_popescu;perfect.
649024;1398770147;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is limtied in supply, soon enough all the noobies will have no bitcoin at all, and problem solved.
649025;1398770170;mircea_popescu;i honestly believe that from here to bitcoin being 50mn a piece, this channel will not nor needs not over 1k people active.
649026;1398770222;mircea_popescu;then everyone can move on to doge or maxcoin or w/e scam du jour, much more adequate for their needs and abilities,
649027;1398770233;mircea_popescu;and then wonder why is bitcoin so expensive since "nobody" buys it or holds it ?
649028;1398770238;mircea_popescu;much like they wonder about mpoe atm.
649029;1398770242;mircea_popescu;!up Jacobite
649030;1398770242;assbot;Voicing Jacobite for 30 minutes.
649031;1398770308;Jacobite;hi mircea enjoy reading your website.
649032;1398770313;mircea_popescu;hello.
649033;1398770359;jurov;sooo why the bitcoin-assets donation addy isn't gpg signed? haaa?
649034;1398770403;cazalla;50mn, surely you jest?
649035;1398770424;mircea_popescu;jurov we probably should blame lampelina ?
649036;1398770430;mircea_popescu;cazalla why ?
649037;1398770451;jurov;lol poor lampelina
649038;1398770532;cazalla;mircea_popescu: it's just an obscene amount of money, on what sorta time line does it reach that price?
649039;1398770542;Curious_George;man i feel so n00bish listening to this discussion. but i'm trying to learn, So... what is GPG
649040;1398770544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+]
649041;1398770551;mircea_popescu;!up Curious_George
649042;1398770551;assbot;Voicing Curious_George for 30 minutes.
649043;1398770560;jurov;anyway. i'll publish coinbr deposit address signed by support@coinbr.com.
649044;1398770566;mircea_popescu;gpg is a gnu implementation of pgp, which is the original public key cryptoi system
649045;1398770574;Curious_George;i expect alot of facepaloming i know
649046;1398770589;Curious_George;*face palming
649047;1398770592;jurov;what's to stop anyone to publishing say, admin@coinbr.com and doing mitm anyway?
649048;1398770602;mircea_popescu;jurov your address is in the wot.
649049;1398770611;mircea_popescu;!up VanCleef
649050;1398770611;assbot;Voicing VanCleef for 30 minutes.
649051;1398770613;cazalla;it's not as difficult to understand as you think Curious_George as if I can grasp it, surely anyone can
649052;1398770620;VanCleef;thanks
649053;1398770629;mircea_popescu;cazalla btw, weren't you doing affiliate marketing for a living ?
649054;1398770629;VanCleef;why is it like this btw?
649055;1398770651;mircea_popescu;VanCleef http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/
649056;1398770656;cazalla;mircea_popescu: amongst other things (domaining, seo blah blah) but not for some years now
649057;1398770662;mircea_popescu;also you should blame kako. i only accept congratulations. and cookies.
649058;1398770666;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
649059;1398770667;mircea_popescu;cazalla aok.
649060;1398770726;Curious_George;yeah i don't know cryptography so GPG, PGP and GNU implementation are over my head
649061;1398770745;mircea_popescu;Curious_George what os you run ? windows ?
649062;1398770763;Curious_George;yeah thats how simple i am
649063;1398770772;fluffypony;mircea_popescu, moiety: http://spagni.net/images/manulcoin.jpg
649064;1398770775;mircea_popescu;aite, so what was pgp for windows, kleopatra something ?
649065;1398770776;fluffypony;we should do that thang
649066;1398770776;VanCleef;ok i still don't get it but thanks for the ups
649067;1398770789;mircea_popescu;VanCleef well so ask a q ?
649068;1398770807;mircea_popescu;fluffypony what happened on the upper side there
649069;1398770815;fluffypony;oh
649070;1398770818;fluffypony;got clipped
649071;1398770870;mircea_popescu;Curious_George http://www.gpg4win.org/ there, you can dld that thing play around with it see what it does.
649072;1398770900;cazalla;mircea_popescu: does that make me marketing scum?
649073;1398770906;jurov;mircea_popescu: how is the appeal onto nanotube's wot website different from running whois?
649074;1398770919;mircea_popescu;cazalla no i was just looking for someone with a lot of aff marketing exp.
649075;1398770988;mircea_popescu;jurov for me, that nanotube i trust. in general, that there exist no documented cases of a hijack.
649076;1398770989;VanCleef;hmm i cant see the SF2 IPO being filled anytime soon
649077;1398771070;mircea_popescu;more importantly, that his ability to absorb scandal is nil. all it takes is one single merchant attacked by him providing fake ids to someone and that's the end.
649078;1398771076;jurov;but he can be hacked.. i'd trust it fully *if* rating consisted of signing the recipient's gpg addy
649079;1398771105;jurov;than it would not be so much reliant on nanotube
649080;1398771113;mircea_popescu;jurov afaik he has been working (for the past two years) towards a distributed system
649081;1398771146;mircea_popescu;which wouldn't be a bad idea in any sense.
649082;1398771154;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.52 = 7.8 BTC [+]
649083;1398771251;jurov;such long time development very likely means it will be convoluted..
649084;1398771252;mircea_popescu;jurov: i guess they shorting was "omitted" from mastercoin protocol << lol. because anyone can do anything they set their mind to. including design of stuff they never used irl.
649085;1398771263;mircea_popescu;jurov either that or the man is doing a phd.
649086;1398771267;jurov;nanotube, why you can't for now just add a column to the database and a way to put signature(rating,message) there?
649087;1398771313;mircea_popescu;anyway, a p2p cryptographically secure wot is a good project for someone competent an' ambitious. good way to get on my wot list at any rate.
649088;1398771459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.52 = 6.76 BTC [+]
649089;1398771466;punkman;mircea_popescu: how would that btc clickbank you mentioned work? surely not a marketplace for crappy infoproducts
649090;1398771475;fluffypony;mircea_popescu, moiety: http://spagni.net/images/manulcoin.jpg updated
649091;1398771500;mircea_popescu;punkman if i had any idea how to make it so it doesn't suck i'd be looking for it people not domain experts.
649092;1398771512;mircea_popescu;but alas...
649093;1398771538;Naphex;ok..
649094;1398771550;Naphex;so here is a working version of what i talked about earlier
649095;1398771579;Naphex;# host -t txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro 127.0.0.1
649096;1398771582;punkman;mircea_popescu: I'll give it some thought then, I have like 9-10 years of experience in aff things
649097;1398771592;Naphex;naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro descriptive text "v:btc1 addr:12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu signature:IGnKD8UQ5/AaWadgGc3aIQ5q9EmgxuF+Vw+F4SSYkB9R+TAVzvnDq+fTZql08JEWrRLlTCReF3lTQAtea66zv5A="
649098;1398771603;mircea_popescu;punkman where did yo uwork ? doing what ?
649099;1398771605;Naphex;signature includes DNSSEC KSK key
649100;1398771629;Naphex;# host -t dnskey addresses.btcxchange.ro 127.0.0.1
649101;1398771637;Naphex;DNSKEY record 257 3 13 hTj/xt+OErAHwCrCY7LKmkO9HhS4RG9c4yW2gowo8I2dwCGRkpbLE1b6 BJrA+4TGJcbdKfFWoT7dpK/zJPzgIg==
649102;1398771643;punkman;mircea_popescu: just selling other people's stuff, using a lot of these marketplaces and networks and whatnot
649103;1398771646;Naphex;and all records are signed
649104;1398771650;fluffypony;BitNews responded to the points I raised re: their SeedCoin II fundraising - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587908.0 - "Thank you for your feedback. We’ll take your comments on board and carry on! Don’t stay tuned for now. We’ll keep you posted when appropriate."
649105;1398771664;mircea_popescu;fluffypony lmao the ineptitude.
649106;1398771677;mircea_popescu;punkman a, i c. well, can't hurt.
649107;1398771697;mircea_popescu;Naphex what happens if i replace both records ?
649108;1398771754;Naphex;you should be validating requests before, so if you mitm the serv requests would fail
649109;1398771761;Naphex;ideally you could just save the KSK
649110;1398771767;Naphex;and trust it
649111;1398771849;Naphex;creating a dns alias would go like this 1.get your server's pub ksk, 2. sign message of domain dnssec-ksk, 3. add record containing issuer
649112;1398772134;fluffypony;TagPesa responded well to my criticisms. I actually hope they accomplish what they want to in spite of their involvement with SeedScam.
649113;1398772157;VanCleef;never trust an aussie
649114;1398772166;VanCleef;they've been behind so many bitcoin scams
649115;1398772203;fluffypony;VanCleef: well I won't be plugging any funds into SeedCoin, but I do think that the TagPesa guy at least has some idea of what he's doing
649116;1398772206;Naphex;http://pastebin.com/nGVC7rNz dig output, with dnssec
649117;1398772207;ozbot;# dig +dnssec +multi @pluto.btcxchange.ro txt naphex.addresses.btcxchange.ro     - Pastebin.com
649118;1398772221;fluffypony;unfortunately like most startups they're hungry for investment so they can get going
649119;1398772232;fluffypony;which leads to deals with "incubators"
649120;1398772237;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/249ix0/accounting_for_the_amazing_company_the/ lol pankkake your reputation is ahead of you
649121;1398772237;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
649122;1398772238;ozbot;Accounting for the Amazing Company. The Bitcointalk standard. : Bitcoin
649123;1398772241;VanCleef;hmmm
649124;1398772296;cazalla;VanCleef: yeah, we have a reputation for that :\
649125;1398772298;fluffypony;pankkake is "Popescu's co-troll"? I didn't know it was a shared position
649126;1398772311;fluffypony;how do I apply to be part of the Troll Board?
649127;1398772374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16967 @ 0.00097388 = 16.5238 BTC [-] {2} 
649128;1398772387;VanCleef;plz reup me
649129;1398772391;VanCleef;when its over
649130;1398772402;jurov;you are already, and i hereby anoint you to the Most Noble MPEx Trolls Order
649131;1398772419;fluffypony;yay
649132;1398772447;jurov;!up VanCleef
649133;1398772447;assbot;Voicing VanCleef for 30 minutes.
649134;1398772514;VanCleef;thanks bud
649135;1398772824;mircea_popescu;Naphex im sure, validate requests before what ?
649136;1398772904;mircea_popescu;o look at that, pankkake we're cotrolls now.
649137;1398772910;mircea_popescu;i wonder what that means.
649138;1398772932;mircea_popescu;and i wonder if sukrim ever sat down and calculated how much he has lost to date, since his derpy "hai i r glbse investoar" days.
649139;1398772946;mircea_popescu;it must be over 99%, but i'm curious if it's more like 99.99% or what.
649140;1398773007;Naphex;mircea_popescu: so the zonefile is signed, pub key published. addresses sign domain alias and domain pub key. alias gets published
649141;1398773027;Naphex;if you want to verify if the certian address was authenticated, you can
649142;1398773036;mircea_popescu;published where ?
649143;1398773038;Naphex;DNS
649144;1398773160;mircea_popescu;so i'm dns, i replace all of them.
649145;1398773189;Naphex;if you don't resign the zone, it's invalid
649146;1398773199;Naphex;by whichever dns resolves it
649147;1398773269;mircea_popescu;where does client acquire signature ?
649148;1398773273;mircea_popescu;i mean, pubkey ?
649149;1398773292;Naphex;pub key directory, from service site, or from dns
649150;1398773415;Naphex;1 way, # host -t dnskey addresses.btcxchange.ro
649151;1398773427;Naphex;addresses.btcxchange.ro has DNSKEY record 257 3 13 hTj/xt+OErAHwCrCY7LKmkO9HhS4RG9c4yW2gowo8I2dwCGRkpbLE1b6 BJrA+4TGJcbdKfFWoT7dpK/zJPzgIg==
649152;1398773441;Naphex;and now they can just get it from bitcoin-assets log
649153;1398773442;mircea_popescu;so from dns.
649154;1398773461;mircea_popescu;well yes, now they can, because you've leveraged the public forum to strengthen the wot.
649155;1398773485;mircea_popescu;but my point is narrower : that no wot can stand on its own. one of the manyt reasons pki is broken by design, not the most visible one but quite fundamental.
649156;1398773494;mircea_popescu;and it also goes to jurov's q as to the diff between pki and nanowot.
649157;1398773511;Naphex;just meant to be viable
649158;1398773519;Naphex;i.e if you an send to deposits.mpex.co
649159;1398773527;Naphex;and you keep your own dns, your own zonefile
649160;1398773537;Naphex;and the datavalidates, it can easily show green on a client
649161;1398773553;Naphex;green - for full check, approved key
649162;1398773559;Naphex;yellow for whatever, and other color codes
649163;1398773584;mircea_popescu;what's color codes to do with anything tho ?
649164;1398773601;mircea_popescu;i couldn't need a dns less : you know where to send funds becasuse yu get a gpg signed deposit slip.
649165;1398773614;mircea_popescu;dns serves no useful purpose for mpex.
649166;1398773735;Naphex;color codes - for clients that  maybe want to implement name2address resolve
649167;1398773762;Naphex;type the name instead of the address, color that input bar on the security of the answer
649168;1398774011;mircea_popescu;you're a very ux minded fellow aren't you.
649169;1398774136;Naphex;lol not at all
649170;1398774166;Naphex;but if you get a shitty response, or at mitm'd something should be displayed
649171;1398774224;Apocalyptic;<mircea_popescu> you're a very ux minded fellow aren't you. // I concur
649172;1398774240;mircea_popescu;not like it's a bad thing.
649173;1398774267;Apocalyptic;I should hire him to do some ux improvements for x-bt
649174;1398774284;mircea_popescu;i think his current owner may track you down and shoot you if you do that.
649175;1398774356;Apocalyptic;noted
649176;1398774403;Naphex;lol
649177;1398774847;Naphex;Owner? - sounds like SS did a bad job;]
649178;1398775668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00097668 = 26.5169 BTC [+] {3} 
649179;1398775677;mircea_popescu;Naphex hehe
649180;1398775925;mircea_popescu;!up Dimsler
649181;1398775925;assbot;Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.
649182;1398775936;Dimsler;man i can't believe how expensive eastern europe got
649183;1398775975;Dimsler;its like west germany prices for everything
649184;1398775976;mircea_popescu;yeah.
649185;1398775981;mircea_popescu;it's crazy.
649186;1398775990;Dimsler;but with shitty infrastructure and inconvenience
649187;1398775999;Dimsler;just bought some pairs of under
649188;1398776001;Dimsler;$11usd a pair
649189;1398776036;Dimsler;crazy to the max
649190;1398776045;Dimsler;because my land scapper still works for $3 an hour
649191;1398776059;Dimsler;i have no idea how the locals are affording things at this point
649192;1398776063;mircea_popescu;me either.
649193;1398776074;mircea_popescu;gas right ? it's like 10 dollars a liter.
649194;1398776085;Dimsler;yeah i know
649195;1398776092;mircea_popescu;yet there's people driving around. how the fuck, their min wage is 1.25 an hour
649196;1398776095;Dimsler;i filled up in stuttgart before leaving for krakow
649197;1398776102;jurov;gas? where?
649198;1398776106;Dimsler;and it was 200euro fill up
649199;1398776110;mircea_popescu;work 8 hours to the liter ? wtf.
649200;1398776118;Dimsler;yes
649201;1398776119;mircea_popescu;but yet they drive. it's beyond me.
649202;1398776123;jurov;here's $2.5 a liter, and it's one of most expansive
649203;1398776125;Dimsler;yes no idea
649204;1398776132;Dimsler;italy is most expensive
649205;1398776134;mircea_popescu;jurov sorry i meant gallon
649206;1398776152;mircea_popescu;it's like 2.5 a liter, which comes to about 10 a gallon
649207;1398776157;Dimsler;well i mean DE has no min wage
649208;1398776219;Dimsler;i would have assumed btc adoption in eastern europe woul dhave been easy
649209;1398776227;Dimsler;since everyone is already cheating taxes to the max
649210;1398776238;Dimsler;but it looks like many are quite apprehensive
649211;1398776249;mircea_popescu;because they've also been scammed to the max.
649212;1398776253;Dimsler;yes
649213;1398776266;Dimsler;the instant rebuttle i get here
649214;1398776271;Dimsler;is the amway pyramid scheme
649215;1398776275;Dimsler;soon as i mention btc
649216;1398776294;mircea_popescu;Dimsler i have people following me on twitter that still derp about how it's a scam or w/e.
649217;1398776308;mircea_popescu;!up Anon29486307
649218;1398776308;assbot;Voicing Anon29486307 for 30 minutes.
649219;1398776349;Dimsler;well i mean who cares if its a scam or not
649220;1398776353;Dimsler;if you're using it to trasnfer money
649221;1398776381;Dimsler;like you can make claims if its a scam or not if you plan on settling up in btc
649222;1398776400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06726382 = 0.2691 BTC [-] {2} 
649223;1398776407;mircea_popescu;it's very strange, the same sort of partial thinking keeps people inside the grinder in, on both ends.
649224;1398776423;mircea_popescu;forum "investors" keep investing, fiat consumers keep fiating... it's uncanny.
649225;1398776491;Dimsler;need to focus on criminals
649226;1398776502;Dimsler;they are the most important element
649227;1398776510;Dimsler;lets be realisitc
649228;1398776521;Dimsler;who were the first people to use cars?
649229;1398776522;mircea_popescu;hm ?
649230;1398776524;Dimsler;bank robbers
649231;1398776529;mircea_popescu;that's not true in any sense.
649232;1398776539;Dimsler;yes it is
649233;1398776542;mircea_popescu;the first people to use cars were the rich.
649234;1398776550;Dimsler;last 8-9 months of btc run up
649235;1398776551;mircea_popescu;the same people who do yachting competitions.
649236;1398776552;Dimsler;has been carders
649237;1398776557;Dimsler;drug dealers
649238;1398776560;mircea_popescu;eh get out.
649239;1398776563;Dimsler;online criminal
649240;1398776569;mircea_popescu;that's such nonsense.
649241;1398776589;Dimsler;lol have you not watched the bitcoin atm news cast?
649242;1398776595;Dimsler;there was an old lady standing inline
649243;1398776602;Dimsler;they asked her why she was buying bitcoins
649244;1398776612;Dimsler;and she told everyone it was to unlock her family photos on her computer
649245;1398776612;mircea_popescu;anecdotes are worth about five satoshi each. get a million, maybe it matters.
649246;1398776613;Dimsler;lol
649247;1398776620;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, the same sort of bullshit was being peddled about silkroad
649248;1398776625;mircea_popescu;oh, bitcoin is based on silkroad.
649249;1398776631;mircea_popescu;and then... silkroad went away... nobody noticed.
649250;1398776651;Naphex;total bullshit
649251;1398776658;mircea_popescu;criminals don't matter here for the same reason they don't matter irl. if they had any sense they'd find better use of their time.
649252;1398776663;Naphex;now i know where all the bad looks come from, ever since i bought a new car
649253;1398776665;Dimsler;then where are the instritional investors then?
649254;1398776679;mircea_popescu;petty crime is perhaps (with the exception of an academic career) the worst fucking choice someone could make
649255;1398776692;mircea_popescu;Dimsler apparently nowhere in your horizon.
649256;1398776699;mircea_popescu;or, for that matter, in the horizon of the conference derps.
649257;1398776708;mircea_popescu;why's this surprising to anyone (other than those derps) is beyond me.
649258;1398776712;Dimsler;conference derps are losers
649259;1398776721;Dimsler;they believe bitcoin is going to grow
649260;1398776723;Dimsler;with a bunch of nerrds
649261;1398776727;Dimsler;buying $100
649262;1398776729;Dimsler;and holding it
649263;1398776732;Dimsler;worth
649264;1398776748;mircea_popescu;well what's the problem wit hthat ?
649265;1398776761;Dimsler;the fact that those people are just noise
649266;1398776765;Dimsler;they don't add any value
649267;1398776788;mircea_popescu;who knows, maybe among them are some who can add value, and will.
649268;1398776798;kakobrekla;> You are a rude bastard. No wonder I smelt a rat. If Your attitude is an example of your support You will not have many happy customers. Glad I emailed you. Saved me a lot of trouble.
649269;1398776798;Dimsler;in what sense?
649270;1398776806;Dimsler;be remaking technology to support bitcoin
649271;1398776810;Dimsler;and calling it new and fresh?
649272;1398776812;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla what'd you say ?
649273;1398776821;kakobrekla;the emails i get.
649274;1398776824;mircea_popescu;Dimsler some make their way here and then contribute significantly.
649275;1398776832;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yea but what did you say to get that email ? "hello" ?
649276;1398776842;Dimsler;need more criminals
649277;1398776847;Dimsler;utilizing he system
649278;1398776856;Dimsler;criminals, outliers,
649279;1398776866;Dimsler;these are the people who will et btc grow
649280;1398776868;Dimsler;tax cheats
649281;1398776869;fluffypony;porn sites need it
649282;1398776873;Dimsler;oh yes
649283;1398776875;Dimsler;porn gambling
649284;1398776877;kakobrekla;well, not to go into full detail, but my previous email did include: > I am a member of local cheese making club, I am interested in free cake and no taxes.
649285;1398776902;Dimsler;the conference derps don't understand that they get paid in fiat
649286;1398776905;Dimsler;pay taxes in fiat
649287;1398776906;mircea_popescu;lol.
649288;1398776907;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: build a succession of spacious yurts... when full, build a new one a little off, carry whatever pieces of the old << this is 'cheney's algorithm' for semispace garbage collection. i've always wanted to implement it in meatspace.
649289;1398776908;Dimsler;and settle in fiat
649290;1398776910;kakobrekla;so i dunno what confused him.
649291;1398776910;mircea_popescu;GEORGE: Look at these salesmen. The only thing these guys fear is the walk-out. No matter what they say, you say, "I’ll walk out of here right now!"
649292;1398776910;mircea_popescu;(A salesman approaches)
649293;1398776910;mircea_popescu;SALESMAN: Can I help you with something?
649294;1398776910;mircea_popescu;GEORGE: (Threatening) Hold it! One more step and we’re walkin’!
649295;1398776910;mircea_popescu;JERRY: (Scolding) George. (To salesman) Sorry, we’re just waiting for David Puddy.
649296;1398776912;mircea_popescu;GEORGE: (Still with a tone) He is. You don’t know what I’m doin’ here.
649297;1398776935;fluffypony;kakobrekla: lol, isn't customer service fun?
649298;1398776937;Dimsler;lol that was a good episode
649299;1398776943;Dimsler;was that when they were buying the saab?
649300;1398776959;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i know. i think it's a neat idea. if i ever make a tech park, that's how i'll run it.
649301;1398776975;mircea_popescu;Dimsler yea
649302;1398777040;Dimsler;lol
649303;1398777044;Dimsler;ate georges twix
649304;1398777071;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03446977 = 0.1379 BTC [+] {2} 
649305;1398777130;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 500 bucks ... open land in patagonia << once i crack the puzzle of what to eat - and where to plug in - at patagonia (or timisoara, or antarctica, or mars) - there i'll be.
649306;1398777132;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03950008 = 0.3555 BTC [-] {2} 
649307;1398777137;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-99405 < i must say i fucking love that response.
649308;1398777138;ozbot;A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
649309;1398777141;kakobrekla;fluffypony very.
649310;1398777176;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ideally, esp in patagonia (or mongolia) we could have a specially trained pack of hunting women.
649311;1398777186;mircea_popescu;they spend their day horseriding and shooting everything that moves.
649312;1398777188;asciilifeform;or of... colocolos
649313;1398777193;mircea_popescu;nah.
649314;1398777233;asciilifeform;'desktop sized' cats have been trained to bring back hares, etc. before.
649315;1398777249;Dimsler;yeah
649316;1398777256;mircea_popescu;this is like the people who spend 5 years to train their dog to get their newspaper.
649317;1398777258;Dimsler;but gold <> money
649318;1398777268;mircea_popescu;getting all the newspapers in a lifetime doesn't take an aggregate of 5 years.
649319;1398777285;asciilifeform;lol sounds like an argument against perl.
649320;1398777290;mircea_popescu;exaclty is.
649321;1398777314;mircea_popescu;better have women hunters than train cats.
649322;1398777484;Dimsler;i don't believe in evicerating the proliteriate
649323;1398777489;Dimsler;but they do it to themselves
649324;1398777535;mircea_popescu;the who ?
649325;1398777570;asciilifeform;the pre-literate? (typo, but good one)
649326;1398777602;Dimsler;proletariat
649327;1398777617;Dimsler;excuse my spelling long day
649328;1398777678;Dimsler;rape the labourier?
649329;1398777682;Dimsler;orwell anyone?
649330;1398778090;moiety;mew
649331;1398778112;moiety;set my client to flash at colocolos also
649332;1398778137;moiety;desk-top sized cats? yes please. will pay in muffins
649333;1398778197;moiety;mine are too stupid to train
649334;1398779009;moiety;http://www.brewdog.com/blog-article/sorrynotsorry i love brewdog
649335;1398779011;ozbot;#SorryNotSorry
649336;1398779145;fluffypony;moiety: did you see my mock up?
649337;1398779183;moiety;not yet fluffypony im catching up with everything, is it linked in here?
649338;1398779190;fluffypony;moiety: yeah way upz - http://spagni.net/images/manulcoin.jpg
649339;1398779222;moiety;omg that is epic
649340;1398779254;moiety;have you ever seen the fiat manul coins? they don't have good pics on them. i love the nyar pic
649341;1398779278;fluffypony;lol
649342;1398779305;moiety;aw i wish this was a thing
649343;1398779354;fluffypony;we should make it a thing
649344;1398779359;fluffypony;ask TAT
649345;1398779419;moiety;i looked into it, coingen.io is qute expensive and im not technical enough for making algos myself
649346;1398779451;moiety;i kind of need to figure out a house before i play with this
649347;1398779491;fluffypony;don't worry
649348;1398779499;fluffypony;"writing" a coin doesn't involve much effort
649349;1398779519;fluffypony;a bit of search and replace, change a couple of constants, and then the genesis block
649350;1398779909;punkman;fluffypony: https://coinsboutique.com/content/silver-coins-manul-1-oz-silver-coin-antique-finish-mongolia-2014
649351;1398779937;fluffypony;punkman: aaaand now I have nightmares
649352;1398780055;punkman;only 2500 of these
649353;1398780081;punkman;seems out of stock everywhere
649354;1398780113;moiety;http://colnect.com/en/coins/coin/36009-500_Manat_Pallas_Cat-Wildlife_Series-Turkmenistan these ones aren't but you need to get the full set
649355;1398780145;punkman;that's not as interesting-looking
649356;1398780183;punkman;ah there's a bunch on ebay
649357;1398780192;fluffypony;that cat looks like a pussy, moiety
649358;1398780200;fluffypony;fake-ul
649359;1398780421;moiety;lol fake-ul
649360;1398780439;moiety;the nyar face captures the essense of manul-nature, i feel
649361;1398780522;moiety;the Turkmenistani coin could just be any cat really
649362;1398780611;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg6451201#msg6451201
649363;1398780612;ozbot;[Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance?
649364;1398780648;mircea_popescu;o wow, that still going ?
649365;1398780688;mircea_popescu;"Like you say, this has manipulation written all over it. That is the only way to make it work - there is no chance a freely operating system like this would make it past a few weeks before going bankrupt. "
649366;1398780690;mircea_popescu;uh.
649367;1398780722;pankkake;it's amazing how they seem to understand everything in the opposite way
649368;1398780722;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
649369;1398780743;mircea_popescu;i like how you keep them fires stoked lol
649370;1398780784;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/mpex-co-the-scientology-of-bitcoin-finance.198675/page-18#post-5898499
649371;1398780785;ozbot;[Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance? | Page 18 | Bitcointa.lk
649372;1398780789;mircea_popescu;im a total lambchop fan.
649373;1398780829;mircea_popescu;"I got my 0.01 btc investment out of neobee long ago."
649374;1398780859;kakobrekla;that will buy you a share?!
649375;1398780924;mircea_popescu;funny thing being... where were all those muppets when btc was 1.2k and mpex was mkt value over 1bn
649376;1398780930;mircea_popescu;400mn seems such pocket change
649377;1398781014;mike_c;have they switched from calling you mirceau to marcel?
649378;1398781018;BCB;https://twitter.com/georgiemark/status/461142659466543105/photo/1
649379;1398781019;ozbot;Twitter / georgiemark: I knew it. #Havelock #investments ...
649380;1398781027;kakobrekla;i thought i was marcel
649381;1398781221;mike_c;i see no such spam
649382;1398781262;kakobrekla;i see it.
649383;1398781266;mike_c;you were supposed to reload the page.
649384;1398781272;kakobrekla;lol.
649385;1398781276;kakobrekla;:D
649386;1398781298;mircea_popescu;mike_c i think it's different people
649387;1398781344;mircea_popescu;BCB indeed.
649388;1398781378;BCB;mircea_popescu, somethings rotten in Denmark
649389;1398781390;mircea_popescu;you know, this was not a secret in any sense.
649390;1398781465;*;moiety has made the move to forum.lk
649391;1398781479;BCB;mircea_popescu, I never followed it much.  But the Voorhees SEC inquery is interesting
649392;1398781538;BCB;US has control of Gox DB, Trendon Shavers Transactions, SR DB,  I'd imagine they have would would like to add Satoshi Dice data to their collection.
649393;1398781585;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.067 = 1.005 BTC [+]
649394;1398781617;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#571863 etc
649395;1398781621;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log
649396;1398781647;mircea_popescu;BCB uh, the entire sd db is publicly in the ledger.
649397;1398781687;BCB;mircea_popescu, not the Users db
649398;1398781695;mircea_popescu;there wasn't a users db.
649399;1398781716;BCB;mircea_popescu, not the buyers info
649400;1398781720;BCB;*nor
649401;1398781724;ThickAsThieves;mircea_popescu:BCB uh, the entire sd db is publicly in the ledger.  --- dammit i signed in just to say this
649402;1398781730;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yw :)
649403;1398781731;ThickAsThieves;was reading logs offline
649404;1398781734;ThickAsThieves;:)
649405;1398781749;BCB;You boys are so clever
649406;1398781753;mircea_popescu;BCB you mean who the mysterious buyer was when vorhees had it delisted ?
649407;1398781791;BCB;mircea_popescu, That's obviously one person of interest.  "he" obviously bought several bitcoin gaming sites.
649408;1398781795;mircea_popescu;anyway, everyone has control of the gox db. it was haxt, remember ?
649409;1398781811;ThickAsThieves;lol http://bitbet.us/bet/822/googles-self-driving-car-to-have-an-accident/
649410;1398781816;mircea_popescu;and to judge by the published trendon shavers proceedings... he apparently (inadvertently ?) destroyed some data
649411;1398781844;ThickAsThieves;i found the shavers testimony to be a fun read
649412;1398781851;mircea_popescu;BCB wait, how's that obviously work ?
649413;1398781859;ThickAsThieves;nice balance between trolling and idiocy
649414;1398781862;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yeah, tardstalk meets legalspeak.
649415;1398781879;BCB;ThickAsThieves, that was a hoot.  I was shocked someone so stupid was so successful at his scam
649416;1398781893;BCB;mircea_popescu, not the complete contents
649417;1398781895;ThickAsThieves;well, the forum makes it easy
649418;1398781915;BCB;mircea_popescu, the numbers on the had info do not add up.  It is missing early data and the final three months
649419;1398781925;BCB;ThickAsThieves, obviously
649420;1398782000;ThickAsThieves;SEC probly got a complaint, and now they probly also wanna know if Voorhees is still running it
649421;1398782004;mircea_popescu;missing the final three months ?
649422;1398782013;ThickAsThieves;cuz gambling iz bad, unless you are a state
649423;1398782021;ThickAsThieves;then you can print scratchers and race dogs
649424;1398782036;ThickAsThieves;or if you are red you can casino
649425;1398782056;ThickAsThieves;drives me crazy seeing "state lottery" billboards
649426;1398782060;ThickAsThieves;like seriously, wtf
649427;1398782066;mircea_popescu;gambling is bad in that it threatens to empower whoever's doing it.
649428;1398782113;ThickAsThieves;it's also an inauditable scam
649429;1398782136;ThickAsThieves;(state lottery)
649430;1398782186;mircea_popescu;exactly.
649431;1398782205;mircea_popescu;the provably fair thing will sink fiat gambling, only, they don't know it yet.
649432;1398782270;ThickAsThieves;do you think that it's just moving the goal posts though?
649433;1398782280;ThickAsThieves;being that the secret key is still a leak
649434;1398782281;mircea_popescu;notrly. or how do you mean ?
649435;1398782287;mircea_popescu;i don't follow.
649436;1398782304;ThickAsThieves;well the host knows the key right?
649437;1398782310;ThickAsThieves;and can win at will
649438;1398782357;mircea_popescu;nah.
649439;1398782375;ThickAsThieves;this may allow some forms of provably fair, but many creative ways to game that otherwise
649440;1398782376;mircea_popescu;you can do it like jd does it
649441;1398782379;mircea_popescu;that's actually pf.
649442;1398782382;fluffypony;I agree with ThickAsThieves - I think "provably fair" often means "proving that there are winners and losers"
649443;1398782393;ThickAsThieves;dooglus can't steal?
649444;1398782398;mircea_popescu;not from the players.
649445;1398782399;BCB;mircea_popescu, the gox ddb dump ends 2013-11-30
649446;1398782412;mircea_popescu;BCB yours or mine ?
649447;1398782447;ThickAsThieves;explain to me what structure prevents dooglus from rolling a win at will?
649448;1398782468;ThickAsThieves;please :)
649449;1398782503;fluffypony;HAH HAH - davout - apparently you're paying the forum moderators to cockblock bitcoinbourse: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.msg6454635#msg6454635
649450;1398782577;ThickAsThieves;is it feasible to somehow decentralize the key?
649451;1398782596;ThickAsThieves;or maybe I'm missing how dooglus has already done this somehow?
649452;1398782613;pankkake;no, he can indeed win at will
649453;1398782619;pankkake;and said so himself
649454;1398782640;BCB;pankkake, are you a troll for hire
649455;1398782647;mike_c;and clearly is doing so.  investors only made 4% in april!  scamz.
649456;1398782657;fluffypony;thus as it stands right now provably fair is "provably making payments", not provably fair in the absolute sense
649457;1398782659;ThickAsThieves;well maybe they made 5%
649458;1398782663;ThickAsThieves;and they just dont know it!
649459;1398782672;pankkake;BCB: was, and the offer is now closed, and was never taken
649460;1398782676;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves there's this user secret.
649461;1398782680;mike_c;but, ThickAsThieves, it doesn't matter
649462;1398782696;mircea_popescu;playing roughly the role of the salt in a hash
649463;1398782701;mike_c;so dooglus is skimming (which he's not i'm sure). who cares?
649464;1398782709;mike_c;investors still got 4%
649465;1398782711;pankkake;I was thinking of a gambling system where the key is the next block hash
649466;1398782716;ThickAsThieves;mike_c thats kinda a wtf argument to the topic
649467;1398782719;pankkake;but that means waiting for the results
649468;1398782743;mike_c;the point being, i am not investing in the code. i am investing in dooglus.  and he returned 4% in april.
649469;1398782743;mircea_popescu;pankkake yeah a new zooko triangle is emerging
649470;1398782760;ThickAsThieves;ok but whether its a good investment isnt the topic
649471;1398782773;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves actually that's a valid approach, mike_c's. i'd just like to explore the provably fair angle, from bettors prespective
649472;1398782776;mircea_popescu;investors is a diff story
649473;1398782809;ThickAsThieves;the topic is whether provably fair is provably a fiat gambling killer
649474;1398782820;ThickAsThieves;or just a new strain
649475;1398782825;dignork;ThickAsThieves: when dooglus places a long list of winning bets, who is the loosing side?
649476;1398782830;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves so you familiar with how jd does it ?
649477;1398782842;ThickAsThieves;not in contrast to Sdice, no
649478;1398782848;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot the20year
649479;1398782849;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.146.185. Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: never
649480;1398782856;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves look in his faq, it's explained there.
649481;1398782859;mircea_popescu;you can add your own seed to his.
649482;1398782860;ThickAsThieves;i told 20year to grow up and wot
649483;1398782866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00097663 = 43.9972 BTC [-] {2} 
649484;1398782867;mircea_popescu;he'd have to crack yours to make a self-serving secret
649485;1398782873;mircea_popescu;which then would not work with other players'
649486;1398782883;mircea_popescu;cause he is constrained by only having one server secret
649487;1398782907;mike_c;um, actually each player gets their own server secret
649488;1398782911;mike_c;pretty sure
649489;1398782914;ThickAsThieves;is that to say, it is 100% fair for the bettor
649490;1398782916;mike_c;which you can change at any time
649491;1398782922;ThickAsThieves;but
649492;1398782930;mircea_popescu;mike_c that's YOURS
649493;1398782933;ThickAsThieves;that dooglus can steal from investors still?
649494;1398782934;mike_c;no, the server one
649495;1398782934;mircea_popescu;but server also has one. his.
649496;1398782945;mike_c;you can 'randomize' and get a new server secret anytime
649497;1398782947;mircea_popescu;well either i seriously misunderstood this or else you did.
649498;1398782948;pankkake;ThickAsThieves: exactly
649499;1398782955;mike_c;i vote you :)
649500;1398782956;mircea_popescu;dooglus set us straight ?
649501;1398782985;ThickAsThieves;so the excercise should change to
649502;1398782989;mike_c;the point is that you can verify at will (instead of having to wait a day)
649503;1398782998;mike_c;you change the server secret, and he shows you the old one
649504;1398782998;ThickAsThieves;design a provably fair casino that cant steal from anyone
649505;1398783016;mircea_popescu;mike_c hm
649506;1398783020;mircea_popescu;maybe he changed the system ?
649507;1398783027;mircea_popescu;i only eval'd it once, when he was starting up.
649508;1398783041;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves that may be impossible.
649509;1398783047;mike_c;but this doesn't break anything.  because you can change your secret after the server secret is set.
649510;1398783062;ThickAsThieves;for example, if "state lottery" takes up "provably" fair
649511;1398783065;mircea_popescu;mike_c you're confusing me.
649512;1398783069;ThickAsThieves;things are actually WORSE for the US
649513;1398783078;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves why ?
649514;1398783095;ThickAsThieves;cuz gov can steal earnings at will
649515;1398783101;ThickAsThieves;diverting them where they like
649516;1398783101;mircea_popescu;how ?
649517;1398783103;mike_c;ok, you get the hash for server secret.  you want a new server secret?  click a button and it generates a new one, shows you the new hash, and shows you the old secret.
649518;1398783117;mike_c;now you can set your own client seed
649519;1398783122;mike_c;bam, provably fair
649520;1398783125;mircea_popescu;RIGHT! so there are in fact two.
649521;1398783130;mike_c;yes.
649522;1398783132;mircea_popescu;aite.
649523;1398783141;mircea_popescu;but you're saying server has a hash for each guy rather than one for all guys
649524;1398783149;mike_c;right
649525;1398783155;mircea_popescu;but you can see the old hash at will.
649526;1398783158;mike_c;yup
649527;1398783168;mircea_popescu;and you can change your hash but server is not allowed to change its
649528;1398783176;mike_c;yes, unless you tell it to
649529;1398783177;mircea_popescu;except if you ask it to show it to you, then it always does.
649530;1398783178;mircea_popescu;right.
649531;1398783183;mircea_popescu;these two have the same effect.
649532;1398783184;pankkake;you would need a secret that can not be known in advance by anyone (bettors and investors), but that would be revealed shortly after the bets. so far I only see future block hashes
649533;1398783199;mircea_popescu;pankkake that's open to miner manipulation rly.
649534;1398783222;pankkake;yes, but it has a cost. miners would have to discard their own blocks to win
649535;1398783226;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves so as constructed, jd can't steal from players.
649536;1398783236;ThickAsThieves;but can from investors
649537;1398783240;mircea_popescu;it may, of course, steal from investors (ie, if the player and the casino collude)
649538;1398783253;mircea_popescu;pankkake true.
649539;1398783265;pankkake;though, I was thinking of tweaking it: you have a secret server key still, and the key used to compute the bet result would be secret+lastblock
649540;1398783281;ThickAsThieves;salty fairness
649541;1398783283;mircea_popescu;pankkake mike_c is working on something based on that principle
649542;1398783286;mircea_popescu;was demo'd at conference
649543;1398783289;pankkake;nice
649544;1398783294;mircea_popescu;i think will open for a close beta soonish
649545;1398783307;mircea_popescu;or close for an open beta
649546;1398783307;mike_c;it'll be out before cardano :D
649547;1398783308;mircea_popescu;or something
649548;1398783317;ThickAsThieves;hehe
649549;1398783330;ThickAsThieves;sounds like a challenge!
649550;1398783334;ThickAsThieves;or a bet
649551;1398783362;pankkake;still, you would have to wait for a block for the result
649552;1398783364;ThickAsThieves;white house logic: "Disclosing a vulnerability can mean that we forego an opportunity to collect crucial intelligence that could thwart a terrorist attack, stop the theft of our nation’s intellectual property, or even discover more dangerous vulnerabilities that are being used by hackers or other adversaries to exploit our networks,"
649553;1398783388;ThickAsThieves;leave it vulnerable so we can protect it!
649554;1398783421;pankkake;so investors would have to chose between less volume yet provably fair, vs. more volume but maybe some stealth stealing
649555;1398783477;mike_c;that is the tradeoff i have ended up at.  although less volume is not necessarily the result, but slower action, yes.
649556;1398783487;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i wish you had a tag on trilema for articles about being so stupid you don't know how stupid you are
649557;1398783489;mike_c;the lottery is slow but gets lots of volume for instance
649558;1398783512;pankkake;waiting can be part of the fun
649559;1398783520;thestringpuller;you being the woodchipper lemmings
649560;1398783531;thestringpuller;!jd mpif
649561;1398783531;assbot;Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.29221206 BTC
649562;1398783614;ThickAsThieves;am i correct in assuming mpif wont be for sale until afte rthe first month of action?
649563;1398783804;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller lol
649564;1398783822;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves nah, it'll sell after the first report.
649565;1398783825;mircea_popescu;nobody has to buy it tho.
649566;1398783881;ThickAsThieves;uhh
649567;1398783896;mike_c;first report being before may 5?
649568;1398783938;mircea_popescu;yes
649569;1398783980;ThickAsThieves;word
649570;1398784004;mircea_popescu;seemsmore reasonable this way. if someone judges it prudent to wait a month, or six or sixty, they can
649571;1398784016;fluffypony;Google made a motherboard: https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z131sxrjvwb5hl1xb04chx2ampiaijcaei0
649572;1398784018;mircea_popescu;but if someone judges it unnecessary, well, they're not stuck with the rest.
649573;1398784074;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves what ws your blog again ?
649574;1398784085;mike_c;devilwearsbitcoin
649575;1398784115;ThickAsThieves;http://devilsadvocate.biz/
649576;1398784115;fluffypony;lol
649577;1398784117;ozbot;The Devil's Advocate | Telling it like it might be.
649578;1398784118;mircea_popescu;ty
649579;1398784140;mircea_popescu;possibly worst sort of biz idea that, devlin advocacy.
649580;1398784147;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00463934 = 0.2737 BTC [+]
649581;1398784176;ThickAsThieves;good thing i dont plan to make any money from it
649582;1398784181;ThickAsThieves;on purpose at least
649583;1398784225;mrstickball;!up the20year
649584;1398784225;assbot;Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
649585;1398784289;ThickAsThieves;the20year, as i hinted i wont voice people that should already know better
649586;1398784451;mircea_popescu;what'd he do
649587;1398784471;mike_c;;;ident the20year
649588;1398784471;gribble;Nick 'the20year', with hostmask 'the20year!~the20year@50.41.146.185', is identified as user 'the20year', with GPG key id 359D91C634AE8E53, key fingerprint DF515FC27907A1FC3236C7E8359D91C634AE8E53, and bitcoin address None
649589;1398784488;ThickAsThieves;he's the RENT guy
649590;1398784493;ThickAsThieves;been around like a year
649591;1398784504;pankkake;;;gettrust assbot the20year
649592;1398784505;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.146.185. Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: never
649593;1398784506;ThickAsThieves;and been voiced a handful of days since the change
649594;1398784527;pankkake;weird
649595;1398784560;ThickAsThieves;it's time for him to get auth'd properly
649596;1398784561;pankkake;oh, no ratings at all! not even from mrstickball!
649597;1398784564;ThickAsThieves;in my elitist opinion
649598;1398784577;mike_c;well, he can't up himself if no one rates him
649599;1398784588;fluffypony;oh lol, I thought thestringpuller was the RENT guy
649600;1398784618;ThickAsThieves;maybe someone here owns some RENT and is happy about it?
649601;1398784681;mircea_popescu;a he got himself into the wot huh. cool.
649602;1398784696;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.0344999 = 0.483 BTC [+] {3} 
649603;1398784697;ThickAsThieves;i'd give him a point for his diligence and seemingly running a Havelock asset better than most, but the more recent terms of his 3POs and such kinda make me hesitant
649604;1398784698;mrstickball;I gotta give him a rating shortly. For some reason, he never bothered with garnering a lot of trust via OTC
649605;1398784722;mircea_popescu;how did that work in the end ?
649606;1398784744;mike_c;kakobrekla: you have finally shamed me into fixing my comment approval system.  there will be no more spammers on btcalpha.
649607;1398784746;ThickAsThieves;it's still going
649608;1398784758;ThickAsThieves;they shut off trading for like a month
649609;1398784767;ThickAsThieves;new offering was at much higher than market value
649610;1398784777;ThickAsThieves;but someone conviently bought it up
649611;1398784787;the20year;not based on usd, which is what our fund is denominated in
649612;1398784788;ThickAsThieves;conveniently
649613;1398784804;kakobrekla;mike_c it was a private /notice so you only shamed yourself now :p
649614;1398784804;pankkake;well, RENT is openly fiat business, so I wouldn't consider it bad to not be bitcoin-profitable
649615;1398784807;ThickAsThieves;i already get spam on my blog...
649616;1398784809;the20year;HL sends me daily sales reports, if I felt like it I could post them showing who bought the shares
649617;1398784817;fluffypony;I have no spam on my blog
649618;1398784821;fluffypony;disqus = love
649619;1398784828;ThickAsThieves;if you felt like it?
649620;1398784829;ThickAsThieves;lol
649621;1398784836;kakobrekla;i have little spam on bitbet
649622;1398784836;thestringpuller;;;google site:trilema.com woodchipper
649623;1398784837;gribble;The story of Pointless and Witless pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/>; MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/mpoe-january-2014-statement>; Notorious M.P. layin down that subliminal shit, na mean ? pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/notorious-mp-layin-down-that- (1 more message)
649624;1398784840;kakobrekla;math = hard
649625;1398784842;mike_c;kakobrekla: well, public shamings work better anyway :)
649626;1398784843;pankkake;fluffypony: disqus = evil
649627;1398784852;fluffypony;pankkake: for comments does it matter?
649628;1398784883;mike_c;fluffypony: you use disqus? so you are also shaming yourself.
649629;1398784899;fluffypony;mike_c: I hate all the comment plugins for jekyll
649630;1398784916;kakobrekla;what is jerky?
649631;1398784919;fluffypony;disqus is the easiest way for me to have comments without dicking around for 2 days with unsupported plugins
649632;1398784929;fluffypony;kakobrekla: https://github.com/jekyll/jekyll
649633;1398784932;the20year;Correct
649634;1398784942;fluffypony;it generates static html from markdown, basically
649635;1398784962;fluffypony;so very low impact on the server, as nginx just ends up serving stuff that's cached in memory
649636;1398784998;mrstickball;;;gettrust the20year
649637;1398784998;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.146.185. Trust relationship from user Mrstickball to user the20year: Level 1: 10, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Mrstickball&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 11:21:55 2014
649638;1398785029;pankkake;I'll eventually switch to a static blog with (automated) comments by mail
649639;1398785039;pankkake;but for now I'm happy with the lesser evils of wordpress
649640;1398785048;kakobrekla;do you get like millions of hits per day or are cpu cycles that expensive there?
649641;1398785062;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 160 @ 0.00084993 = 0.136 BTC [+] {2} 
649642;1398785064;mike_c;the server is mining in the background, so extra cpu costs him btc.
649643;1398785069;fluffypony;pankkake: I wouldn't consider WP a lesser evil than Disqus
649644;1398785082;asciilifeform;suggested experiment: only accept pgp-signed comments.
649645;1398785082;pankkake;at least I have full control of the content!
649646;1398785087;kakobrekla;mike_c perhaps mining, but without him knowing
649647;1398785093;asciilifeform;handily abolishes user registration, 'avatars', all that crap
649648;1398785095;ThickAsThieves;only reason i havent put disqus on mine is cuz mp hate sit
649649;1398785098;asciilifeform;and probably shoots spammers dead.
649650;1398785117;pankkake;asciilifeform: definitively. or at least auto-mod them
649651;1398785157;kakobrekla;this reminds me of Ukyo saying he cant post to assbot because its too much network traffic
649652;1398785169;asciilifeform;usernames (displayed on blog) would link to wot.
649653;1398785179;pankkake;and I don't like the anti spam ways of using javascript. websites should be fully usable without
649654;1398785205;asciilifeform;call it 'web 0.0' or something.
649655;1398785209;pankkake;you know PGP identities can be pictures :)
649656;1398785221;pankkake;ahah, web 0.0 I like it
649657;1398785231;asciilifeform;pankkake: identities are keys.
649658;1398785233;fluffypony;pankkake: I have control over the content? you can turn off that advertising thingy where they show similar content
649659;1398785238;pankkake;I really want to start a movement of anti-web things
649660;1398785242;asciilifeform;if key signs a photo, sure, display it if you feel like it
649661;1398785256;pankkake;fluffypony: I mean, it's in my own database. on my machine.
649662;1398785268;fluffypony;pankkake: ah ok, I get what you're saying
649663;1398785282;asciilifeform;you also get fine-grained moderation for free
649664;1398785292;asciilifeform;that is, basic level - only accept comments from folks in wot
649665;1398785298;asciilifeform;next, arsebot-style filter
649666;1398785325;mircea_popescu;!up owner
649667;1398785325;assbot;Voicing owner for 30 minutes.
649668;1398785345;fluffypony;kakobrekla: the server it's hosted on hosts a bunch of our local sites that are heavily trafficked, so I keep it purposely low-impact
649669;1398785350;mircea_popescu;<fluffypony> pankkake: I wouldn't consider WP a lesser evil than Disqus << why not ?!
649670;1398785352;fluffypony;plus I *hate* WP
649671;1398785374;numerisTrade;hi bitcoin-assets
649672;1398785390;kakobrekla;not like 8 bux gives you power to run infinite* number of blogs
649673;1398785392;pankkake;wordpress is PHP. and you have to keep that shit up to date, too
649674;1398785395;mircea_popescu;<pankkake> I really want to start a movement of anti-web things << join the queue!
649675;1398785395;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: because WP is so badly written...I wrote a plugin for it years ago, and that was honestly the most painful experience in shitty PHP coding
649676;1398785404;fluffypony;kakobrekla: not locally, unfortunately
649677;1398785424;mircea_popescu;pankkake trilema runs wp 1.8 i think ?
649678;1398785432;pankkake;lol, never got hacked?
649679;1398785449;mircea_popescu;no nm 2.7
649680;1398785450;mircea_popescu;never.
649681;1398785452;pankkake;though most holes lately require access to wp-admin
649682;1398785462;mike_c;fluffypony: you should see wikimedia.  amazingly it is worse than wordpress.
649683;1398785462;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
649684;1398785473;pankkake;mediawiki you mean
649685;1398785477;mike_c;yeah
649686;1398785479;pankkake;but yeah, what a fucking mess
649687;1398785483;fluffypony;mike_c: I can imagine, we'll put it on the list of broken things I don't want to touch
649688;1398785512;mircea_popescu;mediawiki is god awful yes
649689;1398785523;mircea_popescu;but tbh i think wp only became broken after 2.x
649690;1398785540;pankkake;I hate the new admin interface
649691;1398785550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03450063 = 0.345 BTC [+] {3} 
649692;1398785555;pankkake;though it has an API, so I could post/edit from somewhere else easily
649693;1398785558;bounce;there's a baseline guaranteed brokenness courtesy php, though
649694;1398785575;ThickAsThieves;this should be funny, wu tang fans trying to scrape together $5m to buy the promo album coming out (only one copy to exist) https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wu-tang-disciples-unite-for-once-upon-a-time-in-shaolin#home
649695;1398785610;pankkake;I wonder if there's a request on what.cd
649696;1398785611;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03495131 = 0.1398 BTC [+] {4} 
649697;1398785617;mircea_popescu;pankkake i could too, via email, in wp of 2008
649698;1398785619;mircea_popescu;never have.
649699;1398785651;fluffypony;kakobrekla: $95/month for a E3-1270 V2 @ 3.50GHz, 8gb RAM, 2x 1tb eSATA drives, and 1tb of traffic
649700;1398785655;fluffypony;*shafted*
649701;1398785672;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0349999 = 0.315 BTC [+] {8} 
649702;1398785676;the20year;hopefully when mrstickball he can grab decent BW on the fiber that runs right next to the complex and start renting servers or some such
649703;1398785687;the20year;*when mrstickball gets his warehouse
649704;1398785710;fluffypony;won't help me unless he gets a warehouse in South Africa :-P
649705;1398785733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0349999 = 0.14 BTC [+] {4} 
649706;1398785736;pankkake;https://i.imgur.com/xeRwL7W.png we'll see. after all, what.cd leaked Microsoft COFEE
649707;1398785794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03504882 = 0.3154 BTC [+] {9} 
649708;1398785841;kakobrekla;that thing is no longer up, was a fake i guess
649709;1398785847;mrstickball;move to Ohio and you can share
649710;1398785855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0389999 = 0.39 BTC [-] {10} 
649711;1398785856;fluffypony;mrstickball: lol
649712;1398785857;mrstickball;put in some injection moulding machines and start a company
649713;1398785861;mrstickball;we'll have plenty of room and electric
649714;1398785873;kakobrekla;ah nvm its a request
649715;1398785881;kakobrekla;im retarded as usual.
649716;1398785913;fluffypony;I like parts of the US and a handful of the people there, but not enough to move there
649717;1398785919;pankkake;kakobrekla: what.cd eventually removed COFEE though, feared legal problems or something
649718;1398785923;kakobrekla;yes
649719;1398785926;kakobrekla;too much heat.
649720;1398785939;pankkake;like some trackers ban advance copies
649721;1398785970;fluffypony;kakobrekla: figurative or literal?
649722;1398785978;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03543992 = 0.2126 BTC [+] {4} 
649723;1398786000;kakobrekla;retarded? literally.
649724;1398786038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03543999 = 0.4253 BTC [+] {6} 
649725;1398786061;fluffypony;kakobrekla: was a joke, yo - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=heat&defid=1506287
649726;1398786096;kakobrekla;ah, sorry, im not from the ghetto.
649727;1398786099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0389999 = 0.624 BTC [-] {8} 
649728;1398786100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1819 @ 0.00085596 = 1.557 BTC [+] {7} 
649729;1398786111;fluffypony;:-P
649730;1398786127;ThickAsThieves;http://bitcoin.mit.edu/announcing-the-mit-bitcoin-project/
649731;1398786128;ozbot;Announcing the MIT Bitcoin Project | MIT Bitcoin Club
649732;1398786132;ThickAsThieves;they wanna see what happens
649733;1398786138;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: yeah read that earlier, it's an interesting experiment
649734;1398786145;ThickAsThieves;maybe bitbet that 80% of it ends up with 20% of the people?
649735;1398786160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0389999 = 0.273 BTC [-] {4} 
649736;1398786161;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 6000 @ 0.00088159 = 5.2895 BTC [+] {24} 
649737;1398786162;ThickAsThieves;or the like
649738;1398786183;punkman;good thing they didn't make MITcoin
649739;1398786187;fluffypony;lol
649740;1398786216;kakobrekla;this is "we decided to make this half a million into nothing"
649741;1398786221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0389999 = 0.195 BTC [-] {3} 
649742;1398786232;kakobrekla;you cant do shit with 100$.
649743;1398786253;punkman;so come up with something stupid to sell to MIT people, get almost all of that $500k of btc
649744;1398786270;fluffypony;"$110 off your student loan!"
649745;1398786282;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.039 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2} 
649746;1398786283;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [+]
649747;1398786284;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 191 @ 0.00088879 = 0.1698 BTC [+] {2} 
649748;1398786332;mircea_popescu;<punkman> so come up with something stupid to sell to MIT people, get almost all of that $500k of btc <<
649749;1398786341;mircea_popescu;i vote "a charity to get more women into gayness"
649750;1398786345;mircea_popescu;no wait.
649751;1398786350;mircea_popescu;into tech i meant.
649752;1398786352;ThickAsThieves;Suicide Help Line
649753;1398786356;ThickAsThieves;We accept BTC!
649754;1398786371;ThickAsThieves;"Stop being a pussy. Have a nice day!"
649755;1398786376;punkman;so I was making a little cli interface for Namecheap, and they want me to login on the website and approve my IP address for API access every time it changes
649756;1398786380;mircea_popescu;maybe "how to use a battery to light a bulb, wearethepremieretechandblablainstitutionintheworld" ?
649757;1398786400;mircea_popescu;punkman this is fashionable nowadays.
649758;1398786401;ThickAsThieves;useful API
649759;1398786404;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 600 @ 0.001 = 0.6 BTC
649760;1398786405;mircea_popescu;but don't they email ?
649761;1398786450;fluffypony;punkman: proxy requests through a box with a fixed IP?
649762;1398786486;punkman;fluffypony: well yeah I guess, or make a bot that goes and approves the IP before it tries to do anything
649763;1398786502;punkman;I'd rather keep my NC password on my local box only
649764;1398786521;fluffypony;ok but if you're just proxying requests you keep everything locally?
649765;1398786587;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC
649766;1398786636;fluffypony;punkman: ala the little php snipped in http://trilema.com/2013/a-little-bit-of-ddos/ but forward proxying instead of reverse
649767;1398786719;benkay;mircea_popescu: where is Wywiał writing?
649768;1398786755;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: do you remember that email asciilifeform passed you
649769;1398786764;thestringpuller;an old flame war of sorts but it had a good quote in it
649770;1398786769;thestringpuller;having trouble finding it in logs
649771;1398786783;mircea_popescu;benkay trilema comments atm
649772;1398786795;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller um not sure ?
649773;1398786824;benkay;mircea_popescu: ah i was wondering if the gentleman had his own outlet
649774;1398786826;thestringpuller;it talked about professionalism and how one doesn't care if the mechanic's dog died earlier that day
649775;1398786828;Naphex;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqDaZsgR5zg 200$ and you get to crack the egg
649776;1398786830;thestringpuller;etc.
649777;1398786830;thestringpuller;not a big deal
649778;1398786832;Naphex;like never before
649779;1398786837;benkay;<mircea_popescu> on one hand, having a third party involved in any bitcoin transaction, in any way, is breaking the protocol. << not a fan of multisig?
649780;1398786907;mircea_popescu;benkay kinda why i was suggesting he blog.
649781;1398787076;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 621 @ 0.07261664 = 45.0949 BTC [+] {55} 
649782;1398787197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.039 = 0.624 BTC [+]
649783;1398787198;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.72062530 BTC to 7`551 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
649784;1398787319;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.08 = 0.88 BTC [+]
649785;1398787320;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 225 @ 0.00088893 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2} 
649786;1398787321;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [+]
649787;1398787380;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 111 @ 0.08 = 8.88 BTC [+]
649788;1398787410;fluffypony;http://geekologie.com/2014/04/18/pizza-cake.jpg
649789;1398787418;fluffypony;lol, 'Merkan food
649790;1398787441;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.08 = 4 BTC [+]
649791;1398787624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1914 @ 0.0001238 = 0.237 BTC [+]
649792;1398787685;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 145 @ 0.08 = 11.6 BTC [+] {3} 
649793;1398787746;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.08 = 1.84 BTC [+] {2} 
649794;1398787807;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.08 = 3.12 BTC [+]
649795;1398787871;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 201 @ 0.073 = 14.673 BTC [-] {4} 
649796;1398787926;mrstickball;wow @ PETA
649797;1398787929;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07009951 = 1.5422 BTC [-] {3} 
649798;1398787931;benkay;!up JorgePasada
649799;1398787931;assbot;Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.
649800;1398787947;JorgePasada;Man, so bummed there's no meetup tonight
649801;1398787954;benkay;no get together?
649802;1398787958;JorgePasada;5th Tuesday of the Month
649803;1398787967;JorgePasada;Hurts my brain just seeing that in writing
649804;1398787988;JorgePasada;It's 1st and 3rd Tuesday
649805;1398787990;JorgePasada;Not every other week
649806;1398788013;JorgePasada;So we're in a weird 'leap week'
649807;1398788052;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07000001 = 2.8 BTC [-] {4} 
649808;1398788112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [-]
649809;1398788129;benkay;oh.
649810;1398788210;JorgePasada;Yep
649811;1398788242;benkay;random_cat_: nothing doing tonight
649812;1398788787;benkay;!up donpillou
649813;1398788787;assbot;Voicing donpillou for 30 minutes.
649814;1398788808;donpillou;yay!
649815;1398788956;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves http://trilema.com/2014/dating-online-an-inquest/
649816;1398788957;mircea_popescu;donpillou who're you
649817;1398788981;mircea_popescu;JorgePasada lol bad luck.
649818;1398789019;donpillou;i'm a random guy from the internets
649819;1398789032;mircea_popescu;ah i c.
649820;1398789041;JorgePasada;All my friends keep trying to get me on OkCupid
649821;1398789057;JorgePasada;I'd like to say it's because I'm taking a principled stand against online dating
649822;1398789060;mircea_popescu;but if you have friends already...
649823;1398789062;JorgePasada;but really it's because I'm just lazy
649824;1398789070;JorgePasada;Yeah that too
649825;1398789088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00463935 = 0.1763 BTC [+]
649826;1398789093;mircea_popescu;what triggered for me was that i was walking through a park yest, and there was this lonely kinda strange tall lanky black haired guy
649827;1398789096;JorgePasada;Meet people IRL?
649828;1398789098;JorgePasada;Nah
649829;1398789100;mircea_popescu;sort-of amir taaki-esque
649830;1398789112;mircea_popescu;who was fiddling with the camera to get it to sit up so it'll take his picture
649831;1398789113;mircea_popescu;by himself.
649832;1398789134;mircea_popescu;it was just him and the crows, which were also playing with sticks and items in a similar figety manner
649833;1398789149;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00463949 = 0.3294 BTC [+] {2} 
649834;1398789151;mircea_popescu;and i thought to myself... here's a crow, that has no friends, but through the use of technology will make itself a profile, and put it online
649835;1398789153;mircea_popescu;and then have friends.
649836;1398789169;mircea_popescu;solitude is an incredible thing.
649837;1398789172;JorgePasada;Haha
649838;1398789182;JorgePasada;That's slightly depressing
649839;1398789200;mircea_popescu;think : the guy doesn't even have ONE friend to take his picture.
649840;1398789209;mircea_popescu;beats the "pot to piss in" by a large margin.
649841;1398789221;moiety;can someone explain to me why i bother with the forum. I have no idea.
649842;1398789244;benkay;must really enjoy subjecting yourself to mental anguish, moiety
649843;1398789249;moiety;children are the bane of my existence
649844;1398789259;benkay;and you don't even have any!
649845;1398789264;moiety;IK!
649846;1398789266;kakobrekla;i like solitude and re profiles, they are getting banned or i delete them.
649847;1398789270;moiety;gimma a shotgun pls
649848;1398789278;benkay;wouldn't you prefer a cane?
649849;1398789308;moiety;nah i have no time for that. shotgun + face + close range = can get on with other things nao thx
649850;1398789334;benkay;you need to hone your glare. shotgun's unnecessary.
649851;1398789345;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: did you offer to help him take his picture?
649852;1398789348;benkay;children need to feel the scourge of others opinions early.
649853;1398789366;mircea_popescu;fluffypony no.
649854;1398789378;moiety;benkay: it's like explaining to brick walls though
649855;1398789399;moiety;i don't mind children with ears and half a brain
649856;1398789447;JorgePasada;moiety: Eh, just ignore them.
649857;1398789459;JorgePasada;although, that being said, actually curating a good community and good content
649858;1398789467;JorgePasada;is getting harder every september
649859;1398789514;mircea_popescu;either that or we're just getting lazier/stupider/etc
649860;1398789530;benkay;don't explain things to them, that's teaching and takes time. just glare and kill their ego with your disapproval.
649861;1398789585;benkay;JorgePasada: community has nothing to do with content
649862;1398789628;JorgePasada;benkay: Disagree
649863;1398789630;moiety;mircea_popescu: what does 'switch' mean? re the piecharts
649864;1398789644;mircea_popescu;moiety will play either way.
649865;1398789668;moiety;ah ty
649866;1398789684;benkay;mind you, JorgePasada, i'm talking about a real community of humans who get together and derp on a patch of dirt for potatoes or tomatoes during the day and sing and drink at night
649867;1398789699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00463934 = 0.1485 BTC [-]
649868;1398789728;benkay;the kind comprised of adults that'd socialize budding humans not poorly.
649869;1398789758;JorgePasada;benkay: Yeah, I mean we need more of that for sure. But hell, a lot of my very close friends I only interact with online
649870;1398789774;mircea_popescu;!up JorgePasada
649871;1398789774;assbot;Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.
649872;1398789779;JorgePasada;I think the problem is when that's the ONLY way you interact with people.
649873;1398789786;JorgePasada;I really gotta get on this WoT thing
649874;1398789797;JorgePasada;Stupid lazy brain
649875;1398789810;JorgePasada;Also, just bought my ticket to the amsterdam
649876;1398789817;benkay;well don't do only one thing
649877;1398789822;benkay;have skin in several games, right?
649878;1398789834;mircea_popescu;^that.
649879;1398789846;Apocalyptic;what games are you proposing benkay ?
649880;1398789898;benkay;you want to know where i put my skin?
649881;1398789905;benkay;no dice.
649882;1398789927;moiety;jesus christ this shit annoys me http://trilema.com/2014/and-now-for-part-2-of-our-smash-hit-hey-stupid-women-we-need-to-talk-smart-women-don%E2%80%99t-want-to-be-with-you-anymore/
649883;1398789942;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.078 = 0.39 BTC [+]
649884;1398789969;benkay;but at a rough approximation: my own biz, some other biz, -assets, and my personal wot.
649885;1398790194;JorgePasada;benkay: I like to be in the 'skinning other people who have no game' game. Good biz.
649886;1398790306;Apocalyptic;<benkay> you want to know where i put my skin? // nortly, that's your business, just wanted to know what you meant by that
649887;1398790380;benkay;JorgePasada: what could go wrong? lol
649888;1398790403;JorgePasada;benkay: Step two is still all question marks... so in theory a lot
649889;1398790491;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC
649890;1398790519;benkay;running the confidence game can be very lucrative!
649891;1398790549;JorgePasada;benkay: I think that's the realization I had when I was like 24 or so
649892;1398790573;JorgePasada;Wait a minute, all of these people are way way less knowledgable about this stuff than I am, they're just more confident
649893;1398790591;benkay;tends to be at odds with the gentleman's desire to cultivate an identity, though.
649894;1398790613;JorgePasada;in what sense do you mean?
649895;1398790630;benkay;the only identity a con man can sustain is with other thieves.
649896;1398790664;benkay;his identity (in the sense of a thing that persists past each scam) is only relevant to other scammers. the con man must burn his identity for each con.
649897;1398790704;JorgePasada;Hmm
649898;1398790708;JorgePasada;brings an interesting thought
649899;1398790723;JorgePasada;is identity = reputation?
649900;1398790757;JorgePasada;But yeah I was more just getting at taking the other side of willing transactions
649901;1398790761;JorgePasada;where I think people don't understand the market
649902;1398790767;JorgePasada;I'm happy, they're happy
649903;1398790775;JorgePasada;Everyone wins
649904;1398790801;JorgePasada;So I'm reading this article a friend wrote
649905;1398790802;JorgePasada;https://medium.com/the-magazine/23e551c67a6
649906;1398790838;moiety;i need this in my life http://9gag.com/gag/aLKV4Qv
649907;1398790863;moiety;having a read at your link now JorgePasada
649908;1398790873;JorgePasada;Because a Bitcoin transaction can’t be reversed, it means that the party transferring value has no recourse within the Bitcoin system to reverse or dispute a transaction. Thus, someone who wants their money back has to go to court, and companies that accept Bitcoin as payment aren’t above the law. This will move chargebacks from intermediary mediated settlements to small-claims court and higher civil courts
649909;1398790882;JorgePasada;That paragraph bothers me.
649910;1398790899;HeySteve;<+JorgePasada> is identity = reputation? <- I'd say no. identity is what you know of yourself, reputation is what others know of you
649911;1398790918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 976 @ 0.00085096 = 0.8305 BTC [+] {7} 
649912;1398790930;benkay;These operations are run by what you could consider as volunteers << can't tell if stupid or being ironic
649913;1398790933;benkay;!up Bunnyh
649914;1398790933;assbot;Voicing Bunnyh for 30 minutes.
649915;1398790944;JorgePasada;sorry
649916;1398790947;JorgePasada;paragraph after that
649917;1398790947;JorgePasada;Bitcoin doesn’t eliminate fraudulent transactions; it only eliminates counterfeit payments. This can, of course, save many tens or hundreds of billions of dollars a year globally and translate to more efficiency in commerce. But removing the intermediary also removes recourse outside of courts, and the cost and nature of that can’t be determined.
649918;1398790965;JorgePasada;more accurately the very last part
649919;1398790971;JorgePasada;'and the cost and nature of that can’t be determined.'
649920;1398790979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 958 @ 0.00087184 = 0.8352 BTC [+] {5} 
649921;1398790982;JorgePasada;because it's blatantly false
649922;1398791039;JorgePasada;It's 100% guaranteed to be a net value add to the system as an aggregate
649923;1398791040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1443 @ 0.0008702 = 1.2557 BTC [-] {7} 
649924;1398791050;JorgePasada;or, sorry
649925;1398791054;JorgePasada;not detract any value
649926;1398791058;JorgePasada;is a better way of stating it
649927;1398791062;JorgePasada;Before you only had 2 options
649928;1398791065;JorgePasada;er, one
649929;1398791067;JorgePasada;and now you have two
649930;1398791102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00463934 = 0.1392 BTC [-] {2} 
649931;1398791103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 130 @ 0.00090475 = 0.1176 BTC [+] {3} 
649932;1398791113;JorgePasada;Increasing optionality, especially when talking about markets in the aggregate, is always good
649933;1398791134;JorgePasada;specifically in some cases, yeah it's hard when I have 6 girls to go out with on one friday night, maybe too many options
649934;1398791156;JorgePasada;but markets don't suffer from decision paralysis
649935;1398791192;benkay;"It also glosses over theft. Because Bitcoin relies entirely on the private retention of secrets (private keys that prove ownership of given Bitcoins), a stolen Bitcoin is only traceable within the system to a certain extent, and thefts of millions and tens of millions of dollars have already occurred. Because committed transactions are irreversible, stolen Bitcoins are valuable and nearly laundered." << this is bananas.
649936;1398791207;benkay;as in, makes zero sense.
649937;1398791261;JorgePasada;Yeah
649938;1398791267;benkay;sorry JorgePasada i'm not seeing much worth putting through my jelly computer in that medium piece
649939;1398791307;benkay;let's try something from princessnell: http://theumlaut.com/2014/04/29/scenes-from-a-dying-imperial-city-the-export-import-bank/
649940;1398791309;JorgePasada;Eh, it's just frustrating because I've talked with him about the bitty coin extensively, and he gets it, and the conclusion isn't bad at all
649941;1398791331;JorgePasada;but in the middle it's like he's arguing past andreessen
649942;1398791372;benkay;"It’s almost a mistake that tracking today is possible." << not an alert human.
649943;1398791376;benkay;it's not a mistake.
649944;1398791411;JorgePasada;What do you mean?
649945;1398791476;benkay;who d'you think made the protocol changes that broadcast IP addresses with every network message?
649946;1398791503;JorgePasada;I mean, I don't see how it could work any other way...
649947;1398791518;JorgePasada;It's a network, there has to be points of entry
649948;1398791550;benkay;there's already a connection between two machines sending btc protocol messages back and forth
649949;1398791833;HeySteve;you can run bitcoin over tor
649950;1398791863;benkay;the honeypot?
649951;1398791894;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03480766 = 0.3481 BTC [-]
649952;1398792023;HeySteve;who knows
649953;1398792077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.004665 = 0.4665 BTC [+] {2} 
649954;1398792090;benkay;-assets knows all
649955;1398792094;benkay;!up JorgePas_
649956;1398792094;assbot;Voicing JorgePas_ for 30 minutes.
649957;1398792110;JorgePas_;stupid comcast
649958;1398792143;TomServo;Maybe you'll get lucky and get sold to Charter?
649959;1398792199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 534 @ 0.00470683 = 2.5134 BTC [+] {8} 
649960;1398792325;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/29/bitcoin-killer-of-nietzschian-nihilism/
649961;1398792366;TomServo;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/29/bitcoin-killer-of-nietzschian-nihilism/ ;)
649962;1398792374;TomServo;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/29/how-bitcoin-kills-nietzschian-nihilism/
649963;1398792375;ozbot;Bitcoin: Killer of Nietzschian Nihilism | When Bitcoin Met Pete
649964;1398792380;TomServo;damn clipboard!
649965;1398792388;bitcoinpete;lol
649966;1398792397;benkay;lol no page found, bitcoinpete
649967;1398792421;thestringpuller;!jd MPIF
649968;1398792421;assbot;Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.28889252 BTC
649969;1398792422;benkay;ah but the third one
649970;1398792436;thestringpuller;;;calc .2 / 50
649971;1398792436;gribble;0.004
649972;1398792450;thestringpuller;;;calc 0.004 * 20
649973;1398792451;gribble;0.08
649974;1398792455;bitcoinpete;benkay: resolved
649975;1398792473;bitcoinpete;was fiddling with titles and urls
649976;1398792504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.0697619 = 2.4417 BTC [-] {5} 
649977;1398792521;FabianB;hmm.. F.MPIF already in operation without public funds?
649978;1398792522;bitcoinpete;i'd never really read nietzsche but he's on the fuckin money as far as -assets and bitcoin go
649979;1398792809;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07411003 = 0.1482 BTC [+]
649980;1398792817;mod6;you should read some of his stuff bitcoinpete
649981;1398792840;bitcoinpete;mod6: i am now :)
649982;1398792871;mod6;any specific title?
649983;1398792902;moiety;bitcoinpete: Nietzschean*
649984;1398792986;bitcoinpete;moiety: i suppose, though i've seen both
649985;1398793007;moiety;fe
649986;1398793113;bitcoinpete;mod6: mostly overview stuff so far, just getting my bearings
649987;1398793119;bitcoinpete;mod6: any recommendations?
649988;1398793272;mod6;The Twilight of the Idols, Thus Spoke Zarathustra and The Antichrist are all good.  I read now and then from The Will to Power.
649989;1398793346;mod6;The Will to Power was put together by his sister after his death. Mainly a collection of papers and personal notes.  It's good though.
649990;1398793360;mircea_popescu;FabianB well it was started with my own btc.
649991;1398793410;mircea_popescu;moiety which part
649992;1398793439;fluffypony;bitcoinpete: this is among my favourite of the things you've said - "There’s a baby, its bathwater, and Mastercoin. Let’s just throw out the latter two."
649993;1398793455;FabianB;mircea_popescu: that was my guess after seeing 19:27 <+thestringpuller> !jd MPIF
649994;1398793462;FabianB;:)
649995;1398793506;mircea_popescu;<benkay> These operations are run by what you could consider as volunteers << can't tell if stupid or being ironic << it's idiotic.
649996;1398793512;mircea_popescu;let me guess, derp byrne ?
649997;1398793654;bitcoinpete;mod6 thanks!
649998;1398793679;benkay;mircea_popescu: JorgePasada's link.
649999;1398793680;bitcoinpete;fluffypony: haha ya, that was a decent one
650000;1398793699;mircea_popescu;o medium.com thing. mk.
650001;1398793713;bitcoinpete;anyhoo, yoga time. cheers!
650002;1398793715;JorgePasada;Yeah, not sure what their model is for monetizing that
650003;1398793720;JorgePasada;Medium.com that is
650004;1398793757;moiety;mircea_popescu: the whole idea we can't use 'guys'. i get this kind of crap all the time. also when i use 'dude'. i get feminazis giving me into trouble and i am female myself.
650005;1398793800;mircea_popescu;yeah, why do something useful, that's like hard. better to yak at people about what words they use.
650006;1398793846;JorgePasada;'dude brah'
650007;1398793884;mircea_popescu;benkay https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/461201013983416320
650008;1398793907;mircea_popescu;who knows, maybe it jolts the dude out of his intellectual complacency and he actually gets informed about btc.
650009;1398793981;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete "Bitcoin is infused with several of Nietzsche’s philosophies." that's broken. concepts ? ideas ?
650010;1398793981;gribble;The operation succeeded.
650011;1398793982;benkay;twitter users can't think in units of length greater than 140 characters, and they labor over each character. i don't want to suggest we value qlty over qnty but ffs i don't think these people can engage in real time chat style webversations.
650012;1398794115;mircea_popescu;so let them fail, miserably and humiliatingly, and from that failure learn how little shit they got for brains.
650013;1398794154;mircea_popescu;anyway, the notion that andreessen is a source or has anything to say about bitcoin is laughable, but it's also so very cute
650014;1398794183;mircea_popescu;basically this guy would like to be here, but he doesn't know that here exists, or how to get here. which, imo, speak to structural deffect. if he weren't a broken being he wouldn't have the problem.
650015;1398794445;mircea_popescu;;;later tell princessnell hey, what do you know of pando daily ?
650016;1398794446;gribble;The operation succeeded.
650017;1398794456;benkay;;;seen princessnell
650018;1398794457;gribble;I have not seen princessnell.
650019;1398794462;benkay;ho ho ho
650020;1398794493;mircea_popescu;um
650021;1398794495;mircea_popescu;what was it ?
650022;1398794516;mircea_popescu;wait, she NEVER said anything ?
650023;1398794555;benkay;don't recall, no.
650024;1398794580;benkay;try le tweets.
650025;1398794671;moiety;i dont remember her actually speaking
650026;1398794769;moiety;also, is 'guise' safe to use i wonder or are we all supposed to be peeps now
650027;1398794830;moiety;in #manul-assets it'll be dicks or gtfo btw guys ;P
650028;1398794883;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03480766 = 0.3481 BTC [-]
650029;1398794906;fluffypony;moiety: "niggaz" is the preferred colloquialism to a manul
650030;1398794917;fluffypony;so I hear
650031;1398794919;fluffypony;ma nigga
650032;1398794953;moiety;i thought their preferred speak just consisted of fuck off bitch
650033;1398794971;HeySteve;?? http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2014/04/29/calling-girls-fat-may-make-them-obese.html ??
650034;1398795008;HeySteve;the stupidity is overwhelming
650035;1398795432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03465383 = 0.1386 BTC [-] {2} 
650036;1398795737;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0395 = 0.395 BTC [+]
650037;1398796020;benkay;http://www.redbull.com/en/esports/stories/1331647100999/game-of-drones-starcraft-ii-politics
650038;1398796037;benkay;"In the end, the Christian Democrats failed to secure a player and the Feminist Initiative player had to decline due to other commitments."
650039;1398796080;pankkake;lel
650040;1398796328;pankkake;I wonder if Scarlett in http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/NESL_Iron_Lady sparked some juicy controversy
650041;1398796408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC
650042;1398796520;fluffypony;"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo
650043;1398796530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15939 @ 0.00097784 = 15.5858 BTC [+]
650044;1398796570;benkay;http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304163604579531810109573616?mod=WSJ_hp_RightTopStories&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304163604579531810109573616.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_hp_RightTopStories
650045;1398796773;pankkake;what did he say?
650046;1398796957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0695 = 0.2085 BTC [-]
650047;1398797267;ThickAsThieves;<+moiety> in #manul-assets it'll be dicks or gtfo btw guys ;P /// lol, best quote of the day
650048;1398797443;mod6;bitcoinpete: np. :)
650049;1398797628;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06750388 = 6.7504 BTC [-] {4} 
650050;1398797732;mike_c;the worst part of dicks or gtfo is that the channel would be flooded with pics immediately..
650051;1398797958;moiety;:D
650052;1398797996;moiety;psssh its just being involved
650053;1398798052;moiety;might be a slightly wrong route to go, taking away from the manuls and all
650054;1398798081;moiety;perhaps didnt think this through
650055;1398798238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.06736817 = 13.4736 BTC [-] {9} 
650056;1398798239;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.0395 = 0.632 BTC [+]
650057;1398798750;fluffypony;oh wow
650058;1398798758;fluffypony;so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort?
650059;1398798769;fluffypony;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=401481.160
650060;1398798805;benkay;!up JorgePasada
650061;1398798805;assbot;Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.
650062;1398798811;JorgePasada;Also...
650063;1398798818;JorgePasada;guess what I just did
650064;1398798860;fluffypony;JorgePasada: had a glass of wine?
650065;1398798863;fluffypony;nm, that's me
650066;1398798883;JorgePasada;Nah, finally authenticated
650067;1398798891;JorgePasada;with the WoT
650068;1398798975;ThickAsThieves;<+fluffypony> so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort? /// where?
650069;1398798986;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: link's above
650070;1398798992;fluffypony;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=401481.160
650071;1398799032;ThickAsThieves;yeah i clicked
650072;1398799040;fluffypony;it's all very confusing
650073;1398799040;ThickAsThieves;and saw nothing even discussing trades
650074;1398799046;fluffypony;ok well
650075;1398799047;benkay;;;ident JorgePasada
650076;1398799047;gribble;Nick 'JorgePasada', with hostmask 'JorgePasada!~JorgePasa@c-67-183-19-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net', is identified as user 'JorgePasada', with GPG key id F94255F4860A142A, key fingerprint A5DCC517069DDCB8F4D3050DF94255F4860A142A, and bitcoin address None
650077;1398799063;fluffypony;MintSpare has disappeared and nobody knows what's potting
650078;1398799078;fluffypony;then Havelock say "We have been working with Mintspare closely during the past few months and they have a bright future ahead of them. They should and will start to post and respond to requests on this forum."
650079;1398799093;benkay;;;rate JorgePasada 1
650080;1398799094;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JorgePasada has been recorded.
650081;1398799100;benkay;!down JorgePasada
650082;1398799105;ThickAsThieves;so HL is saying they havent disappeared?
650083;1398799109;fluffypony;yes
650084;1398799110;benkay;;;gettrust assbot JorgePasada
650085;1398799111;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask JorgePasada!~JorgePasa@c-67-183-19-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user JorgePasada: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=JorgePasada | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=JorgePasada | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 15:07:18 2014
650086;1398799118;fluffypony;so then the question is - why are MintSpare so quiet but Havelock claim to be speaking to them
650087;1398799120;fluffypony;and ALSO
650088;1398799123;benkay;aight, JorgePasada /msg assbot !up
650089;1398799130;fluffypony;Havelock say "We do hold the Bitcoins raised during their offering in escrow and only distribute those funds as needed."
650090;1398799139;fluffypony;how could they do that without talking to them?
650091;1398799141;ThickAsThieves;well the forum notoriously wants news when there is none
650092;1398799144;fluffypony;THEN
650093;1398799150;ThickAsThieves;altought financial reports would be enough
650094;1398799150;JorgePasada;Scweet.
650095;1398799151;fluffypony;they back the fuck up completely
650096;1398799158;fluffypony;"We don't have any inside information that is not made public."
650097;1398799173;fluffypony;and they get pushed on whether they're using information to trade
650098;1398799181;fluffypony;"Full Disclosure: we currently own 733 Units in MS, current value is less than 1 Bitcoin. "
650099;1398799193;ThickAsThieves;well kinda splitting peanuts
650100;1398799203;fluffypony;it's all very confusing
650101;1398799216;ThickAsThieves;well thats what happens when you try to fill a void
650102;1398799224;ThickAsThieves;you invent gods
650103;1398799235;pankkake;mintspare raised before the havelock escrow thing
650104;1398799250;ThickAsThieves;fwiw mintspare came to me first and i sent them packing
650105;1398799381;ThickAsThieves;fluffypony i'm not sure why you would waste your time on it, did you buy some?
650106;1398799392;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: no, I was just flipping through threads
650107;1398799458;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 24 @ 0.0742218 = 1.7813 BTC [-]
650108;1398799776;JorgePasada;Y'all see this yet?
650109;1398799777;JorgePasada;http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/rp/rulings/pdf/FIN-2014-R007.pdf
650110;1398799963;fluffypony;well that seems a convenient work around
650111;1398799968;fluffypony;setup mining operations in the US
650112;1398799975;fluffypony;rent it to someone outside of the US
650113;1398799984;fluffypony;make it a zero-sum game
650114;1398800187;JorgePasada;It's actually a sensible ruling though
650115;1398800193;JorgePasada;which is strange coming from them
650116;1398800245;*;benkay raises an eyebrow
650117;1398800251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00098027 = 23.6245 BTC [+] {3} 
650118;1398800265;benkay;either that or there are sensible people at the helm in some places. hard to believe, but a possibility.
650119;1398800314;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/461228021685690368
650120;1398800315;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @GlennF You should. Unlike ...
650121;1398800317;pankkake;or crazy laws get ignored anyway, especially with bitcoin
650122;1398800332;mircea_popescu;glenn thinks he should not have to listen to assbot on the grounds of assbot's amazing name
650123;1398800332;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
650124;1398800337;mircea_popescu;on the same grounds, i
650125;1398800373;mircea_popescu;i'll have my horses graze on him. for he's a glenn, and they like glens.
650126;1398800406;JorgePasada;Haha
650127;1398800495;mircea_popescu;<fluffypony> so Havelock admitted to insider trading, of a sort? << no. they're just trying to make vague claims as to anything. that they're registered, should that seem desirable. that they're mp, should that appear a value. that anything and everything, no matter what it may be.
650128;1398800497;mircea_popescu;scammers always do.
650129;1398800507;JorgePasada;Thanks mircea_popescu, now I'm going to get shit about that  :-P
650130;1398800517;mircea_popescu;idiots, of course, never have the sense to actually name names, and admit whom they wish to copy, and for what reason, and what all that means.
650131;1398800542;fluffypony;oh didn't they get busted like today for not being registered on the Panamanian SEC?
650132;1398800601;mircea_popescu;<fluffypony> ThickAsThieves: no, I was just flipping through threads << i imagine he's picked up the benkay task.
650133;1398800608;mircea_popescu;it IS a great way to build an intellect in this space.
650134;1398800612;fluffypony;you know what they say
650135;1398800619;fluffypony;"they see me trollin', they hatin'"
650136;1398800655;benkay;i learned to sniff out the banal stench of scam and stopped.
650137;1398800656;mircea_popescu;surely.
650138;1398800714;mircea_popescu;oh by the way, rehashing http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#identifier_0_52070
650139;1398800718;JorgePasada;I used to spend time on the forums back in the day... back when you could actually find useful information without digging through pages of BS
650140;1398800721;mircea_popescu;if anyone's not seen the lion in winter, you definitely must.
650141;1398800772;mircea_popescu;o'toole, hepburn, hopkins...
650142;1398800922;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0075 = 0.135 BTC [+]
650143;1398800983;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0395 = 0.237 BTC [+] {2} 
650144;1398802265;pankkake;http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/virtual-mining-corporation-and-active-mining-corporation
650145;1398802266;ozbot;Virtual Mining Corporation and Active Mining Corporation | Wood Law Firm
650146;1398802300;pankkake;what's wood law? some class action thing?
650147;1398802330;pankkake;eh, they have BFL too
650148;1398802569;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0075 = 0.2025 BTC [+]
650149;1398802630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03414675 = 0.4098 BTC [-] {2} 
650150;1398802996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+]
650151;1398803643;pankkake;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559776.0
650152;1398803644;ozbot;[TEASER] Multi-Key Lockboxes
650153;1398803933;mircea_popescu;pankkake yes they were suing bfl.
650154;1398803940;pankkake;were?
650155;1398803942;mircea_popescu;!up mumu
650156;1398803942;assbot;Voicing mumu for 30 minutes.
650157;1398803987;kakobrekla;then bfl promised them two monarchs and they took the deal.
650158;1398804004;mike_c;ThickAsThieves: thedevilwearsbitcoin is down.
650159;1398804036;mircea_popescu;pankkake http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-04-2014#608678
650160;1398804048;mircea_popescu;!up Thelamarvelous1
650161;1398804048;assbot;Voicing Thelamarvelous1 for 30 minutes.
650162;1398804272;Thelamarvelous1;Hi everyone
650163;1398804301;mike_c;hello!
650164;1398804351;Thelamarvelous1;I have a contact on here so i talk to him... but im real new  here
650165;1398804365;Thelamarvelous1;What should i know
650166;1398804393;mike_c;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/  << a decent place to start.
650167;1398804395;ozbot;start [bitcoin assets wiki]
650168;1398804418;mircea_popescu;http://pastebin.com/WEJQ4SNV
650169;1398804418;ozbot;Mircea_Popescu @GlennF The consensus seems to be that your noggin ain't really w - Pastebin.com
650170;1398804425;mircea_popescu;a fine example of educated idiocy.
650171;1398804449;mircea_popescu;why's it so hard for the inferior to do what they are told by better men in no uncertain terms ?
650172;1398804497;Thelamarvelous1;who wants to do what they are told All the time. That is not smart.
650173;1398804558;ThickAsThieves;<+mike_c> ThickAsThieves: thedevilwearsbitcoin is down.  /// looks up to me, but that's the second downtime already... a testament to Namecheap's hosting service.
650174;1398804561;mircea_popescu;Thelamarvelous1 how do you know ?
650175;1398804575;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves they're not known for their hosting really
650176;1398804620;Thelamarvelous1;Because that is the plan in the first place
650177;1398804621;ThickAsThieves;all i have otherwise is a client server (all that's left of my mktg biz is the website hosting)
650178;1398804634;ThickAsThieves;so i didnt wanna worry about more servers n shit
650179;1398804636;mike_c;you might be cached.  it seems down.  http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/devilsadvocate.biz.html
650180;1398804641;Thelamarvelous1;Dumb people down then tell them what to do
650181;1398804649;ThickAsThieves;motherfucker
650182;1398804668;kakobrekla;is that fincern mining thingy worthy of wiki, if so, someone should put it there.
650183;1398804670;pankkake;Thelamarvelous1: first step would be to register with gribble
650184;1398804688;ThickAsThieves;the mining thing seems a little too obvious to be noteworthy imo
650185;1398804695;ThickAsThieves;but who knows
650186;1398804713;kakobrekla;fuck you just trying to get someone to do some work there.
650187;1398804723;Thelamarvelous1;Tbabks... how do I do that pankkake?
650188;1398804732;ThickAsThieves;lol
650189;1398804746;*;ThickAsThieves give kako some cake
650190;1398804750;ThickAsThieves;gives*
650191;1398804761;*;kakobrekla hides it from mp quickly
650192;1398804764;pankkake;Thelamarvelous1: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide
650193;1398804780;Thelamarvelous1;Thanks for the info
650194;1398804843;kakobrekla;imma be a smartass
650195;1398804847;kakobrekla;Thelamarvelous1 http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation
650196;1398804897;jborkl_;I got a API to the site and working on a pubnub to stream in live trade data :)
650197;1398804910;kakobrekla;of what?
650198;1398804963;jborkl_;bcoinnews.com - changing over all my data to my databases, so I will not be pulling in outsude data and relying on that
650199;1398804987;kakobrekla;you run this?
650200;1398804998;jborkl_;yep
650201;1398805068;mircea_popescu;hey! cake goes to my stash of uneaten cake!
650202;1398805078;ThickAsThieves;namecheap: Roman G: What was the exact error you received?
650203;1398805079;jborkl_;working on the pubnub- the documentation is pretty shitty so I am struggling
650204;1398805082;ThickAsThieves;motherfucker!
650205;1398805086;ThickAsThieves;my website aint loading
650206;1398805107;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves now you get to be the customer and always wrong!
650207;1398805112;mircea_popescu;what was the error code biatch!
650208;1398805173;ThickAsThieves;Roman G: The issue was reported to our technicians at once and it should be fixed now
650209;1398805176;ThickAsThieves;magical...
650210;1398805227;ThickAsThieves;Roman G: I understand your frustration and would like to keep monitoring your website performance for another 2-3 days and in case of any issues do not hesitate to contact us back at once
650211;1398805230;Thelamarvelous1;Now I'll be reading all night. But thanks guys. See ya soon.
650212;1398805242;ThickAsThieves;lol all i said was is there something we can do to stop the problems
650213;1398805248;mike_c;magical beans didn't work for me.
650214;1398805253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00097722 = 5.8633 BTC [-] {2} 
650215;1398805253;mircea_popescu;Thelamarvelous1 other than teenagers, reading is the best way to spend a night.
650216;1398805282;ThickAsThieves;mike_c i gotta step out but i imagine itll sort out shortly :/
650217;1398805431;jurov;heh namcheap..heard already that godaddy discontinued email support?
650218;1398805497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00098416 = 26.1787 BTC [+]
650219;1398805670;pankkake;what kind of support is left?
650220;1398805732;asciilifeform;fluffypony: setup mining operations in the US... rent it to someone outside << lol, you think 'rule of law' is a thing in the usa
650221;1398805749;fluffypony;asciilifeform: true that
650222;1398805840;asciilifeform;fluffypony: the only remaining actual law is - '�е верь, не бой��, не про�и' ("Don't Believe, Don't Fear and Don't Ask." russian prison maxim, at least a century old)
650223;1398805859;Thelamarvelous1;This all seems like a lot to swallow for me in 1  nigbt.
650224;1398805887;fluffypony;I want to go to Russia fucking badly
650225;1398805911;asciilifeform;fluffypony: why?
650226;1398805920;pankkake;russian girls?
650227;1398805952;fluffypony;asciilifeform: I find the culture fascinating - I wouldn't want to live there (hate snow), but I find the culture so different to everything else that it intrigues me
650228;1398805962;fluffypony;and I think the architecture in places is incredible
650229;1398806001;fluffypony;although I'd probably end up quoting "Fiddler on the Roof" the whole time if I went there
650230;1398806107;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03414675 = 0.239 BTC [+] {2} 
650231;1398806168;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0395 = 0.4345 BTC [+] {3} 
650232;1398806208;asciilifeform;speaking of russia - they import derp by the boatload.
650233;1398806209;asciilifeform;https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A4%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC/%D0%90%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%B2/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F/2014/02#.D0.A3.D0.B1.D1.80.D0.B0.D1.82.D1.8C_.D1.81.D1.81.D1.8B.D0.BB.D0.BA.D1.83_.D0.BD.D0.B0_Lib.ru_.D0.B8.D0.B7_.D0.BA.D0.B0.D1.80.D1.82.D0.BE.D1.87.D0.B5.D0.BA
650234;1398806229;pankkake;long url is long
650235;1398806231;asciilifeform;tldr - russian pediwikia bans the mega-library lib.ru - on account of warez.
650236;1398806242;mike_c;a share of S.MG on havelock is worth 30% less than a share of smg on mpex.  that is quite a discount.
650237;1398806251;mircea_popescu;fluffypony it's so fascinating because it's so unexpectedly absent :D
650238;1398806290;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52 = 1.04 BTC [+]
650239;1398806346;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I disagree - people have been living there for more than a few hundred years, which means they've developed not only a language, but art and architecture and even ways of thinking that differ from my own...which I think is the essence of "culture"
650240;1398806358;asciilifeform;the thing that makes this a mega-lol is that lib.ru sold out to copyrasts years ago - charges for access to a number of things, incl. books by folks who never asked for this
650241;1398806384;asciilifeform;the 'real library' has been at flibusta.net, for ages.
650242;1398806407;asciilifeform;(someone mirrored the good stuff, 'took ball and went home.')
650243;1398806446;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: don't get me wrong - I'm a huge opera buff, and I could get lost in the architecture of the ancient Greeks, but I love being in places that are so fundamentally different to my own frame of reference
650244;1398806455;asciilifeform;(strike that. lib.ru was merely censored. it's some of the mirrors that charge)
650245;1398806464;jurov;pankkake online chat ..with 1hr waiting times reported
650246;1398806465;fluffypony;probably why I've enjoyed (some) Indian cinema so much
650247;1398806483;pankkake;jurov: I really need to move the domains I have left there :/
650248;1398806531;asciilifeform;fluffypony: if you're expecting to find the village from 'fiddler' in russia, i must disappoint you.
650249;1398806542;mike_c;http://bitbet.us/bet/816/la-clippers-donald-sterling-to-take-a-hike/ << that was fast.
650250;1398806546;ozbot;BitBet - LA Clippers' Donald Sterling to take a hike
650251;1398806550;asciilifeform;they all went to gasenwagen in the war.
650252;1398806581;mike_c;"Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling has been banned for life by the NBA in response to racist comments the league says he made in a recorded conversation."
650253;1398806656;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06967251 = 0.209 BTC [+]
650254;1398806814;fluffypony;asciilifeform: I jest about Fiddler on the Roof:) I think things like the Golden Gate and all those cathedrals with the semi-spherical towers (Saint Basil's being the obvious go-to for every movie set in Russia ever) are a sight to see. also Manshikof (sp?) tower and the Chelyabinsk opera house are on the list.
650255;1398806839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00097565 = 8.2442 BTC [-] {2} 
650256;1398806858;fluffypony;Menshikov, apologies
650257;1398807083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
650258;1398807205;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.0341 = 0.4092 BTC [-] {2} 
650259;1398807327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.0335002 = 0.938 BTC [-] {4} 
650260;1398807388;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.033255 = 0.3326 BTC [-] {2} 
650261;1398807510;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.033 = 0.33 BTC [-] {3} 
650262;1398807571;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.033 = 0.264 BTC [-]
650263;1398807754;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.06961856 = 2.0189 BTC [-] {2} 
650264;1398808120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0395 = 0.3555 BTC [+] {2} 
650265;1398808425;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06979788 = 1.396 BTC [+] {3} 
650266;1398808597;mircea_popescu;fluffypony i was just trying to troll stan
650267;1398808599;mircea_popescu;aparently he's immune
650268;1398808612;fluffypony;lol
650269;1398808829;mircea_popescu;mike_c wow, they can ban AN OWNER ?!
650270;1398808836;mircea_popescu;how the fuck does that work. he... owns it.
650271;1398808861;asciilifeform;the way i understand it, the team won't be permitted in matches so long as he is owner.
650272;1398808878;ThickAsThieves;...
650273;1398808885;ThickAsThieves;i'm skeptical of that function
650274;1398808926;ThickAsThieves;does he have some kind of code on conduct in some kind of contract with the NBA that allows any of this?
650275;1398808936;ThickAsThieves;and is it in conflict with freedom of speech?
650276;1398808951;ThickAsThieves;seems like a mess could blow up in NBA's face
650277;1398808956;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it's in the us, so im sure it does.
650278;1398808987;mircea_popescu;i own a girl who recounted the story of how the school administration made all the girls lift up their skirts to prove they actually were wearing panties or not be allowed inside the hs end party
650279;1398808997;mircea_popescu;which party included no booze and was supposed to end by 20:00
650280;1398808998;ThickAsThieves;wow
650281;1398809010;mircea_popescu;this, of course, so that no unbecoming conduct etc. imagine.
650282;1398809025;ThickAsThieves;leave the flaw so we may fix them
650283;1398809032;cazalla;mircea_popescu: "the average declared weight is 180.94 kgs" and i thought i was a chubby chaser
650284;1398809051;asciilifeform;180kg? elephants?
650285;1398809055;ThickAsThieves;lbs, it turns out
650286;1398809057;asciilifeform;lol
650287;1398809061;jurov;they construe it as "hate speech does not fall under freedom of speech" and/or "fredom of speech concerns only your relationship with govt, since we're not govt, we're free to punish you as we see fit"
650288;1398809087;ThickAsThieves;cuz nba has no relationship with gov?
650289;1398809098;mircea_popescu;jurov funny thing is... that's how unfreedom of speech always works lol.
650290;1398809108;mircea_popescu;if you asked them, the romanian communists were all for freedom of speech
650291;1398809113;mircea_popescu;provided, of course, it wasn't hate speech.
650292;1398809135;fluffypony;http://i.imgur.com/MdUAdeM.jpg
650293;1398809137;fluffypony;lol
650294;1398809139;ThickAsThieves;i dont get why this is necessary
650295;1398809143;asciilifeform;mr. mold once described the 'diversity quota' crap as 'there must be a Party member on every elevator ride.'
650296;1398809144;ThickAsThieves;if they dont like him, leave
650297;1398809165;mircea_popescu;!up time12345
650298;1398809165;assbot;Voicing time12345 for 30 minutes.
650299;1398809180;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it's not that they "don't like him". it's that they just got a cock and would like me to be impressed.
650300;1398809188;mircea_popescu;i am not and all the rest of youse have to suffer.
650301;1398809200;ThickAsThieves;some rapper was saying how all black people are cowards
650302;1398809202;mircea_popescu;"The fine will be donated to organizations dedicated to anti-discrimination and tolerance efforts that will be jointly selected by the NBA and the Players Association, Silver said."
650303;1398809211;ThickAsThieves;cuz all they did was flip their jerseys inside out in protest
650304;1398809217;mircea_popescu;anyway, what sport is this ? basketball ?
650305;1398809220;ThickAsThieves;yes
650306;1398809230;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/813/btc-to-top-4000-before-passing-below-400/#c2870 << lol logic.
650307;1398809233;ozbot;BitBet - BTC to top $4000 before passing below $400
650308;1398809234;asciilifeform;is there a single white man playing?
650309;1398809239;ThickAsThieves;yes
650310;1398809243;ThickAsThieves;like 3 or some shit
650311;1398809245;mircea_popescu;well good, i hadn't been following it for ~20 years, and now i have a good answer if anyone asks me
650312;1398809257;mircea_popescu;"o no, i won't be involved with basketball, they're nigger loving faggots"
650313;1398809268;jurov;tolerance enforcement dept.
650314;1398809299;mircea_popescu;ayup. the harder they push, the rougher it gets.
650315;1398809349;ThickAsThieves;ha i'm at kat.ph and they have another great ad
650316;1398809357;ThickAsThieves;"Life is short. have an affair."
650317;1398809542;mircea_popescu;of all the conceivable reasons to have an affair...
650318;1398809544;dexX7;http://bitbet.us/bet/813/btc-to-top-4000-before-passing-below-400 < lol what?
650319;1398809546;ozbot;BitBet - BTC to top $4000 before passing below $400
650320;1398809550;mircea_popescu;what the hell happened to "you like the girl"
650321;1398809560;ThickAsThieves;i cheated on a girl. once.
650322;1398809576;dexX7;outcome yes, if price rises above 4000 and THEN goes sub 400?
650323;1398809595;mircea_popescu;mno
650324;1398809602;ThickAsThieves;lol
650325;1398809633;ThickAsThieves;fukn bitbet scammorz
650326;1398809655;dexX7;stupid language ambiguousness <.<"
650327;1398809655;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the solution to the megaphone madman (mentioned in your 'twitter' page) isn't laser - it's ultrasonic 'voice in head' trick.
650328;1398809670;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: two beams, ~40kHz, audible payload in beat frequency.
650329;1398809687;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: victim's head (or microphone) becomes heterodyne.
650330;1398809758;ThickAsThieves;interesting, never heard of this til now
650331;1398809817;ThickAsThieves;maybe i'm reading too much into it
650332;1398809826;ThickAsThieves;is this just dissonance?
650333;1398809842;ThickAsThieves;they use example for Beat in tuning
650334;1398809893;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it's wave composition basically
650335;1398809906;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did she ever contact you ?
650336;1398810005;ThickAsThieves;"If the proposal before us now turns out to be insufficient or if we observe anyone taking advantage of the rule, I won't hesitate to use Title II," writes Wheeler, referring to an option that would let the FCC regulate ISPs much like landline phones.
650337;1398810034;mircea_popescu;derp
650338;1398810079;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bma3LzrCEAE4lyI.png:large
650339;1398810083;mircea_popescu;check out the wit of the scotus.
650340;1398810094;mircea_popescu;having two cellphones, now a criminal indicia.
650341;1398810125;mircea_popescu;i suppose the times of blackberry and iphone have been quickly forgotten have htey.
650342;1398810138;mircea_popescu;i suppose not having a phone at all is the mark of the terrorist, isnt it.
650343;1398810156;ThickAsThieves;then i'm in trouble
650344;1398810255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00097475 = 27.9753 BTC [-] {2} 
650345;1398810288;mircea_popescu;Matt Warner @mattstate .@libertydotfees Hey jerk, Stef authored several books, produced 1000's of hrs, and is stopping child abuse. What have you done for liberty?
650346;1398810288;mircea_popescu;Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu @mattstate @libertydotfees I wrote a guide on how to beat women. In Romanian. http://trilema.com/2011/cum-se-bate-femeia/ How about you ?
650347;1398810293;mircea_popescu;that should go over well.
650348;1398810381;fluffypony;HEY JERK
650349;1398810399;fluffypony;the call of the Lesser Spotted Internet White Knight
650350;1398810420;ThickAsThieves;why do you beat them anyway?
650351;1398810440;mircea_popescu;builds character.
650352;1398810499;ThickAsThieves;:/
650353;1398810557;mircea_popescu;im not kidding. it does.
650354;1398810603;ThickAsThieves;i dont get how this all comes to be though
650355;1398810611;mircea_popescu;so ask a q.
650356;1398810627;ThickAsThieves;like you meet a girl, fuck her, she sticks around and you just start beating her one morning?
650357;1398810639;ThickAsThieves;it's honestly the only thing i cant rationalize about you
650358;1398810644;ThickAsThieves;the slaving beating stuff
650359;1398811070;benkay;some people get off on pain, ThickAsThieves
650360;1398811074;mircea_popescu;no dude.
650361;1398811074;ThickAsThieves;well sort me out!
650362;1398811074;mircea_popescu;jesus lol that's a weird idea.
650363;1398811074;mircea_popescu;how do you meet girls ?
650364;1398811074;mircea_popescu;a you're married. well, suppose we're playing second life, and you're not you. so
650365;1398811074;ThickAsThieves;i dont, anymore
650366;1398811074;mircea_popescu;how do you meet girls ?
650367;1398811074;ThickAsThieves;probably at the bar or via business dealings
650368;1398811074;mircea_popescu;so there's this girl you like. what do you do ?
650369;1398811074;ThickAsThieves;we chat and if it's at the bar we likely go get it on to some degree hf bases
650370;1398811074;ThickAsThieves;if work, we meet up and maybe not mess around right away
650371;1398811074;ThickAsThieves;honestly i wouldnt plan any of it
650372;1398811074;mircea_popescu;so there's no connection whatsoever other than...well... she's got a cunt and you got a plug that fits ?
650373;1398811074;ThickAsThieves;i'd do whatever made sense at the time i felt i needed to do something
650374;1398811074;ThickAsThieves;no
650375;1398811074;ThickAsThieves;i'd need to learn about her
650376;1398811074;mircea_popescu;and her about you ?
650377;1398811074;ThickAsThieves;i assume
650378;1398811074;mircea_popescu;so then why'd it be a surprise, just one day... honey, whack!
650379;1398811074;ThickAsThieves;i was being extreme lol
650380;1398811074;ThickAsThieves;i'm just saying i dont get it
650381;1398811074;mircea_popescu;suppose you couldn't come. i mean you got all the parts, and fucking is fun, just, you don't splooge.
650382;1398811074;ThickAsThieves;ok
650383;1398811074;mircea_popescu;you figure you'd have a pow wow with the girl about this ?
650384;1398811075;ThickAsThieves;maybe
650385;1398811075;mircea_popescu;or just let her figure it out on her own
650386;1398811075;mircea_popescu;after 8 and a half hours trying to make you cum on her face.
650387;1398811075;ThickAsThieves;in my own experience if i cant it's been with women i probly shouldnt have been fucking
650388;1398811075;ThickAsThieves;oh you mean if she's bad at it in general
650389;1398811075;ThickAsThieves;sure you help
650390;1398811075;mircea_popescu;well whatever it is, you got three balls, you ejaculate tabsco sauce, it doesn't matter.
650391;1398811075;ThickAsThieves;lol
650392;1398811075;benkay;some people get off on delivering it
650393;1398811075;mircea_popescu;point being, at least among sane people, it wouldn't come as a surprise
650394;1398811075;mircea_popescu;if you'll pardon the pun.
650395;1398811075;ThickAsThieves;hmm maybe we made a silebnt leap i missed
650396;1398811075;ThickAsThieves;is the beating only sexual?
650397;1398811076;ThickAsThieves;i know this
650398;1398811082;ThickAsThieves;but i was isolating the beating
650399;1398811096;ThickAsThieves;not realizing this might be strictly sexual
650400;1398811116;mircea_popescu;what do you mean by "strictly sexual" ?
650401;1398811133;ThickAsThieves;like when you say "i wrote about how to beat women" it doesnt necessarily mean about sex-related events
650402;1398811143;mircea_popescu;oh.
650403;1398811148;ThickAsThieves;i knew i shouldnt have said strictly
650404;1398811155;mircea_popescu;no, it's sexual.
650405;1398811158;ThickAsThieves;ok
650406;1398811164;ThickAsThieves;so i get it a lil better then
650407;1398811168;mircea_popescu;just sexual probably means more than you readily represent.
650408;1398811190;mircea_popescu;making her shine your shoes and kneel while doing it is perhaps not your idea of sexual, for instance.
650409;1398811211;ThickAsThieves;not as a habit, but i could see it being sexual
650410;1398811226;mircea_popescu;right
650411;1398811239;ThickAsThieves;is this the same context i should apply to your slaving?
650412;1398811248;ThickAsThieves;or is that more nuanced?
650413;1398811253;mircea_popescu;so she's been bad, she gets spanked, it closes off the experience and she doesn't have to continue beating herself up for it, for instance.
650414;1398811292;mircea_popescu;there are many edges to it, it's not strictly the sensuous pleasure of getting caned.
650415;1398811312;mircea_popescu;and yes when i say slavery i mean a very intimate and absolutey sexual thing.
650416;1398811353;ThickAsThieves;are your slaves also your maids n shit, or do they live their own lives with careers and such?
650417;1398811383;mircea_popescu;well they start as idiotic webizens, exactly where you'd expect the average twennysomething to find herself.
650418;1398811399;mircea_popescu;and a decade later they can command their own regiment.
650419;1398811412;mircea_popescu;not all want to, tho.
650420;1398811433;ThickAsThieves;i see
650421;1398811456;mircea_popescu;there's something very satisfying about serving, too. especially people you deeply respect and otherwise adore.
650422;1398811494;ThickAsThieves;hax
650423;1398811552;mircea_popescu;!up CheckDavid
650424;1398811552;assbot;Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
650425;1398811554;CheckDavid;Yes indeed ThickAsThieves.
650426;1398811557;ThickAsThieves;i'm surprised no one else asked about all this before
650427;1398811559;CheckDavid;Thanks mircea_popescu
650428;1398811564;ThickAsThieves;maybe i'm just dumb
650429;1398811570;CheckDavid;How many slaves do you own mircea?
650430;1398811581;mircea_popescu;it varies.
650431;1398811590;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i imagine it's a doozy.
650432;1398811609;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: she ever contact you << nein.
650433;1398811612;CheckDavid;Mircea. Do you have a slave auto trader?
650434;1398811623;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid i just acquired a coupla, you seen the f.mpif ?
650435;1398811635;mircea_popescu;!jd mpif
650436;1398811635;assbot;Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.28893898 BTC
650437;1398811640;CheckDavid;No. What's that?
650438;1398811641;mircea_popescu;thar she blows.
650439;1398811646;ThickAsThieves;such profit
650440;1398811655;CheckDavid;That's your gambling money?
650441;1398811657;mircea_popescu;good autotrader
650442;1398811666;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: how many days is that?
650443;1398811669;thestringpuller;3-4?
650444;1398811673;mircea_popescu;like that yea
650445;1398811673;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu:  having two cellphones, now a criminal << quite a few people i know have 2+. 'human' and 'work' phone.
650446;1398811687;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform supreme court doesn't agree with you. sorry.
650447;1398811720;ThickAsThieves;i'd like ascii on the supreme court
650448;1398811724;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller it was a sudden hit at one point that made 90% of it tho
650449;1398811726;ThickAsThieves;he'd be a celeb for sure
650450;1398811804;mike_c;mircea_popescu: nba owner is banned from attending games (even his own), and can't participate in league business.  they are trying to get him to "relinquish" his ownership, whatever that means.
650451;1398811841;mircea_popescu;mike_c i hope he fights the shit out of them.
650452;1398811860;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: supreme court << eh, i'd rather sit on a 'troika'
650453;1398811862;mircea_popescu;like... you want a war ? you got a war. sue each and every single person involved at any level with the nba, independently.
650454;1398811864;asciilifeform;but that's just me
650455;1398811869;mircea_popescu;let's see who runs out of money first sorta deal.
650456;1398811890;CheckDavid;"The manual labor your slaves are capable of with the sweat and tears they excrete is the only true measure of wealth" -- Mircea Popescu - 1998
650457;1398811894;mircea_popescu;guy's got what, 100mn to blow ? rhather than leave it to charity...
650458;1398811903;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid wait what ?
650459;1398811927;benkay;!up princessnell
650460;1398811927;assbot;Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.
650461;1398811941;benkay;afternoon, princess
650462;1398811944;benkay;afternoon, princessnell
650463;1398812129;CheckDavid;Loool
650464;1398812163;mircea_popescu;!up princessnell
650465;1398812163;assbot;Voice for princessnell extended to 30 minutes.
650466;1398812163;CheckDavid;I'm kidding
650467;1398812164;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: what's the place of crypto currencies in the world?
650468;1398812164;CheckDavid;And how many do we need?
650469;1398812164;mircea_popescu;what am i, the eight ball ?
650470;1398812165;asciilifeform;3.
650471;1398812165;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform one for each testicle ?
650472;1398812165;CheckDavid;No idea
650473;1398812165;CheckDavid;Felt like asking you that
650474;1398812165;asciilifeform;dijkstra once read a lecture, and exclaimed 'how many bugs shall we tolerate?!' one wag stands up - '3!'
650475;1398812165;CheckDavid;I don't expect future forecasts
650476;1398812166;asciilifeform;nm, it was '7'
650477;1398812166;asciilifeform;http://lispy.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/lisp50-notes-part-v-interlisp-parc-and-the-common-lisp-consolidation-wars
650478;1398812166;asciilifeform;'Dijkstra said angrily. (He’d been visibly shaking his head through out the talk even before this outburst.) “How many bugs are we going to tolerate?” he demanded. “Seven,” Teitelman shot back.'
650479;1398812167;ozbot;Lisp50 Notes part V: Interlisp, PARC, and the Common Lisp Consolidation Wars | Learning Lisp
650480;1398812188;mircea_popescu;"But Teitelman came off as being at once knowledgeable and approachable. He didn’t exude any of the “dysfunctional Lisp-programmer” type attitudes at all. (Not that anyone else did….)"
650481;1398812194;mircea_popescu;people need to learn how to write ;/
650482;1398812199;mike_c;mircea_popescu: he might only have 50mn, his wife is making a grab too :)
650483;1398812213;mircea_popescu;mike_c that's the idea, spend it all on litigation first.
650484;1398812216;mircea_popescu;die poor, but fucking happy.
650485;1398812231;mircea_popescu;only hire black lawyer chicks over 180 that'll give you nookie, too.
650486;1398812232;asciilifeform;mike_c - he might discover that the 100m belong to the crown, which now owns his arse, and not to himself
650487;1398812258;asciilifeform;sport magnate 'can also have problems'
650488;1398812300;mike_c;he's likely got enough money to buy some friends in gov'ment.  it will be interesting.  guys like that don't traditionally go quietly.
650489;1398812303;mircea_popescu;if only these schmucks learned to stop sliding quietly into the night.
650490;1398812321;asciilifeform;tell... khodorkovsky.
650491;1398812336;mike_c;hm, actually i don't know if he inherited or is self-made.  self-made rich guys don't usually go quietly.
650492;1398812352;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude, you imagine the usg would have the guts ? what's this, the future ?
650493;1398812357;mircea_popescu;!up princess-nell
650494;1398812357;assbot;Voicing princess-nell for 30 minutes.
650495;1398812366;princess-nell;hey
650496;1398812367;mircea_popescu;missy stop jumping nicks
650497;1398812370;princess-nell;sry
650498;1398812380;asciilifeform;it's a fight of the crowned gutless vs. the moneyed gutless
650499;1398812380;mircea_popescu;so what do you know what pando daily is ?
650500;1398812396;princess-nell;it's a silicon valley gossip blog thing
650501;1398812402;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly. it's a fucking boxing match among cowards, blergh. i demand better show.
650502;1398812409;mircea_popescu;princess-nell what do you want to do with your future ?
650503;1398812420;princess-nell;that's a good question
650504;1398812431;princess-nell;probably to get the hell out of the us for the first thing
650505;1398812436;mircea_popescu;ok. what pando daily claims and proposes it wants to be is this true news venue.
650506;1398812449;mircea_popescu;it did manage to get out some decent reporting. it seems it's sinking tho.
650507;1398812464;mircea_popescu;actually doing it sound like your thing at all ?
650508;1398812488;princess-nell;sure
650509;1398812493;mircea_popescu;lol that was quick.
650510;1398812523;mircea_popescu;it's an endless pushing uphill for very little money, journalism. why'd you want it ?!
650511;1398812534;princess-nell;i enjoy writing
650512;1398812541;fluffypony;princess-nell: come to Africa!
650513;1398812544;fluffypony;that's my new siren call
650514;1398812550;fluffypony;I'm inviting everyone
650515;1398812560;mircea_popescu;a stupid reason as any other. well, anyway : who do you know that can rack muck ? can you get a team together ?
650516;1398812628;princess-nell;hmm. probably not. everyone who isn't a coward has more important things to do.
650517;1398812637;mircea_popescu;that's an apt observation.
650518;1398812660;ThickAsThieves;i'm still willing to go to bitcoin2014 under any charge
650519;1398812678;ThickAsThieves;(the amsterdam conf)
650520;1398812683;princess-nell;where are you in africa?
650521;1398812689;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves weren't you going to ask i forgot who i forgot what ?
650522;1398812690;fluffypony;princess-nell: South Africa
650523;1398812693;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: why
650524;1398812712;princess-nell;and you want more people to move there?
650525;1398812728;mircea_popescu;he's on irc all day long and his wife's getting bored.
650526;1398812735;fluffypony;princess-nell: it's beautiful here
650527;1398812737;ThickAsThieves;cuz i like amsterdam, wouldnt mind some offtime to write uo a bizplan, and i like putting people on the spor
650528;1398812739;ThickAsThieves;spot*
650529;1398812789;ThickAsThieves;i'll ask any of them whatever as long as it doesnt get me jailed and is an honest question
650530;1398812804;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: so go to amsterdam. why visit the wankatronics experts?
650531;1398812818;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ever picked at a scab ?
650532;1398812832;ThickAsThieves;i'm a somewhat superstitious guy with some things
650533;1398812837;asciilifeform;aye.
650534;1398812837;asciilifeform;so that'd be it.
650535;1398812843;ThickAsThieves;i like it when things comke together
650536;1398812853;ThickAsThieves;somewhat coincidentally
650537;1398812891;ThickAsThieves;it's the coelho in me
650538;1398812897;ThickAsThieves;;)
650539;1398812913;asciilifeform;fluffypony: we u.s. folks don't need to go to africa. it'll come to us soon enough.
650540;1398812937;mircea_popescu;eloel
650541;1398812957;fluffypony;lawlz
650542;1398813034;ThickAsThieves;who is princess-nell anyway?
650543;1398813039;ThickAsThieves;got link?
650544;1398813064;mircea_popescu;@anjiecast. http://theumlaut.com/2014/04/29/scenes-from-a-dying-imperial-city-the-export-import-bank/ this chick.
650545;1398813092;ThickAsThieves;thx
650546;1398813239;asciilifeform;http://theumlaut.com/2014/02/11/the-wired-mans-burden
650547;1398813247;asciilifeform;^ same woman, on the 'google bus war'
650548;1398813260;ThickAsThieves;we have "economic development councils" in the local counties, which seem to mostly serve sending employees on trips and making studies that show how other people's work is their own somehow
650549;1398813549;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 13 @ 0.07538979 = 0.9801 BTC [-] {5} 
650550;1398813762;asciilifeform;for those who missed 'bus war' -
650551;1398813764;asciilifeform;http://pando.com/2013/12/20/breaking-protesters-attack-google-bus-in-west-oakland-smashing-window
650552;1398813766;ozbot;BREAKING: Protesters attack Google bus in West Oakland, smashing window | PandoDaily
650553;1398813781;ThickAsThieves;ah yes, she mentions the Chamber of Commerce too
650554;1398813783;ThickAsThieves;such a joke
650555;1398813825;asciilifeform;http://sfist.com/2013/05/06/google_bus_pinata_smashed_during_an.php
650556;1398813915;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
650557;1398813918;ThickAsThieves;sorry but the mission, the tenderloin, those place could use cleaning up
650558;1398813926;ThickAsThieves;places
650559;1398813985;ThickAsThieves;!up princess-nell
650560;1398813985;assbot;Voice for princess-nell extended to 30 minutes.
650561;1398814011;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: the anti-google thing was because of 'they're bidding up our prices'
650562;1398814037;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.07478886 = 0.2244 BTC [-]
650563;1398814053;ThickAsThieves;why do they stop at google?
650564;1398814060;ThickAsThieves;just blame all things down the path
650565;1398814068;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: google is the local megacorp there
650566;1398814071;ThickAsThieves;inflation, landlords, the city, the state gov
650567;1398814079;princess-nell;they don't like "silicon valley" generally
650568;1398814081;ThickAsThieves;well they arent actually local right
650569;1398814088;ThickAsThieves;people that work there live there
650570;1398814097;ThickAsThieves;cuz it (was) cheaper)
650571;1398814186;asciilifeform;also looks like that city has a law permitting landlords to revoke leases in order to sell the land
650572;1398814240;ThickAsThieves;i bet princess-nell loved this commenter "Thanks. Very impressive and insightful, especially coming from a woman. Libertarian chicks are always the hottest."
650573;1398814242;ThickAsThieves;lol
650574;1398814276;fluffypony;ok bed time, night all
650575;1398814285;princess-nell;ya, i got a kick out of it
650576;1398814478;BingoBoingo;http://valleywag.gawker.com/whistleblower-claims-google-stole-money-from-publishers-1569412191/+sarah-hedgecock
650577;1398814479;ozbot;Whistleblower Claims Google Stole Money From Publishers Using Adsense
650578;1398814654;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: concepts… definitely concepts
650579;1398814721;bitcoinpete;;;later tell dexX7 kinda just random blah blah, but y'know, wallet inspectors
650580;1398814722;gribble;The operation succeeded.
650581;1398814758;dexX7;ah kk
650582;1398814767;bitcoinpete;having a fun dm convo with my little bro about the clippers dude.
650583;1398814782;bitcoinpete;he's all "there's no place for racism"
650584;1398814839;bitcoinpete;i'm all "common people don't decide what's good and bad, shit all we can do about dude's personal affairs, racism isn't a thing, etc."
650585;1398814875;bitcoinpete;gotta crack some eggs on the kid
650586;1398814884;mircea_popescu;%y
650587;1398814886;mircea_popescu;%t
650588;1398814888;atcbot;[X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 220 Last Price: 190 24h-Vol: 32k High: 190 Low: 190 VWAP: 190
650589;1398814924;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> ThickAsThieves: google is the local megacorp there << recall the original michael moore piece ?
650590;1398814934;bitcoinpete;i know, i should invite him here...
650591;1398814944;mircea_popescu;some derpage about how people living off gm in a city that exists because of gm are allowed to hate gm ?
650592;1398814959;princess-nell;i for one welcome the purges
650593;1398815029;mircea_popescu;lol @ "especially coming from a woman" part. yeah, teh neckbeards are such a well spoken, brilliant lot.
650594;1398815061;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: commenter had to be trollin', just had to
650595;1398815120;bitcoinpete;"Men who live in unhealthy countries find the faces of masculine women more attractive http://econ.st/1tZUwnZ  pic.twitter.com/zzJx5awpPa"
650596;1398815175;mircea_popescu;there;s nothing in that graph
650597;1398815219;mircea_popescu;!up bitstein
650598;1398815219;assbot;Voicing bitstein for 30 minutes.
650599;1398815243;bitstein;Thanks. Howdy.
650600;1398815261;mircea_popescu;heya. and who might you be ?
650601;1398815265;mircea_popescu;%book
650602;1398815266;atcbot;6k@230 60k@225 10k@220 | 128k@195 2k@170 5k@156
650603;1398815277;mircea_popescu;%block
650604;1398815283;bitstein;Michael Goldstein - Founder and President of the Satoshi Nakamoto Institute - http://bitste.in/
650605;1398815287;mircea_popescu;%last_block
650606;1398815290;atcbot;[ATC Last Block] Height: 30370  Time: 2014-04-29T23:39:10Z  Vout Sum: 512  Number TXs: 1  Difficulty: 455357.12903751  Hash: 0000000000001dde1c79d88b2c06a761fe14ecbed4f43d10ee1a7676790f46fa  Fee: 0.00000000  Size: 552  Days Destroyed: 0  Confirmations: 1
650607;1398815292;bitcoinpete;heya bitstein!
650608;1398815317;mircea_popescu;bitstein aha. get in the wot.
650609;1398815333;benkay;hey BingoBoingo what was the computer you smoked trying to get a 4096 bit key on?
650610;1398815348;benkay;ooh and what happened to the nominal doxxing of satoshi nakamoto?
650611;1398815350;BingoBoingo;benkay: Mac SE/30
650612;1398815354;asciilifeform;http://valleywag.gawker.com/anarchist-protestors-blocked-uber-cars-in-the-streets-o-1568739346
650613;1398815355;ozbot;Anarchist Protestors Blocked Uber Cars in the Streets of Seattle
650614;1398815360;benkay;and why'd it get smoked? too hot?
650615;1398815369;cgcardona_;hi everyone
650616;1398815403;benkay;afternoon cgcardona_
650617;1398815408;cgcardona_;o/
650618;1398815429;cgcardona_;probably been hashed over a thousand times but thoughts on the MIT $100 worth of btc per student news?
650619;1398815435;mircea_popescu;bitstein register your nick with nickserv first.
650620;1398815440;mircea_popescu;;;google freenode register nick
650621;1398815441;gribble;FAQ - Freenode: <http://freenode.net/faq.shtml>; freenode: using the network: <http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml>; How to Register a User Name on Freenode: 7 Steps (with Pictures): <http://www.wikihow.com/Register-a-User-Name-on-Freenode>
650622;1398815456;mircea_popescu;then get gpg going on a secure system and get registered with gribble.
650623;1398815467;bitcoinpete;bitstein: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/
650624;1398815468;cgcardona_;^^
650625;1398815472;BingoBoingo;benkay: Maybe? Looks like a couple capacitors popped.
650626;1398815477;cgcardona_;get thee into the wot
650627;1398815480;kakobrekla;cgcardona_ too late, sr already closed.
650628;1398815484;mircea_popescu;http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication that stuff
650629;1398815488;ozbot;GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
650630;1398815506;cgcardona_;kakobrekla: ? whatcha mean?
650631;1398815516;bitcoinpete;i gotta show a place to a person… laterz!
650632;1398815517;kakobrekla;re 100bux mit
650633;1398815532;cgcardona_;no i mean 'sr already closed' whatcha mean sr?
650634;1398815541;kakobrekla;silkroad
650635;1398815542;cgcardona_;probably obvious in which case excuse me in adcance
650636;1398815543;mircea_popescu;it's really not so bad an idea. certainly the best thing mit is currently doing for its students' future.
650637;1398815544;cgcardona_;ahhh
650638;1398815545;cgcardona_;haha
650639;1398815571;BingoBoingo;Better than 1 battery 1 bulb and 1 wire
650640;1398815577;kakobrekla;you can do something with a million. you cant do shit with 100$.
650641;1398815583;kakobrekla;so they are doing something into nothing.
650642;1398815588;kakobrekla;i can do that even better prolly.
650643;1398815595;asciilifeform;on the secret 'black bitbet,' 'for BadBets Only,' let's bet that the coin will walk away before being parcelled out.
650644;1398815603;mircea_popescu;i can't believe this guy's name actually is goldstein.
650645;1398815612;mircea_popescu;a better name one could not have for bitcoin involvement.
650646;1398815632;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla by the time the kids retire, a 0.2 btc stash will buy them some bjs.
650647;1398815643;cgcardona_;shit it can buy them that today
650648;1398815663;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform doubt it tbh
650649;1398815676;cgcardona_;i figure it'll inspire a whole new group of startups for better or worse
650650;1398815693;mircea_popescu;s/better/worse
650651;1398815697;cgcardona_;*ominous ycombinator black helicoptor flies over*
650652;1398815722;kakobrekla;well fuck me if it does then
650653;1398815738;mircea_popescu;between your tits ?
650654;1398815742;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/2D1R2D7/plain/)
650655;1398815742;mircea_popescu;!b 2
650656;1398815746;cgcardona_;between his bits
650657;1398815749;mircea_popescu;ninja!
650658;1398815762;asciilifeform;;;google chinese backyard steel
650659;1398815763;gribble;Backyard furnace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backyard_furnace>; Great Leap Forward - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward>; The Great Leap Forward Period in China, 1958-1960: <http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/greatleap.htm>
650660;1398815793;asciilifeform;let's saw this bridge into little bits of scrap and all make plows. so what if they're... softer than the ground
650661;1398815842;asciilifeform;!up princess-nell
650662;1398815842;assbot;Voicing princess-nell for 30 minutes.
650663;1398816116;benkay;asciilifeform: what was the name of the black bitbet?
650664;1398816124;asciilifeform;benkay: damned if i know
650665;1398816134;asciilifeform;benkay: just sorta assuming it exists, somewhere in the aether.
650666;1398816195;BingoBoingo;If it didn't seem incredibly impending I might write a Magic Johnson to be part of new Clippers ownership group BitBet
650667;1398816283;jurov;just make a bet "new owner will be nigger"
650668;1398816333;jurov;ofc upon seeing that bet they'll put some unidentifiable race in charge
650669;1398816416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43119 @ 0.00098126 = 42.3109 BTC [+]
650670;1398816660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00098126 = 12.2658 BTC [+]
650671;1398816721;ThickAsThieves;ah bitstein is part of the misescircle.org
650672;1398816730;ThickAsThieves;the site writing about how altcoins must die
650673;1398816746;ThickAsThieves;i say that writing about how altcoins must die must die
650674;1398816908;benkay;altcoins are great
650675;1398817006;cgcardona_;altcoins are altsome!!!
650676;1398817042;ThickAsThieves;altmazing company!
650677;1398817076;cgcardona_;I've given/taken alt that I can .
650678;1398817209;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+]
650679;1398817245;benkay;no seriously the kids need to play with something
650680;1398817248;BingoBoingo;jurov: I've submitted a slightly different take http://bitbet.us/propositions/
650681;1398817270;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0339999 = 0.306 BTC [+] {3} 
650682;1398817271;benkay;anything that gets people aware of the risks and difficulty of using cryptocurrencies without risking their actual btc is great.
650683;1398817304;jurov;ohohohohooo BingoBoingo
650684;1398817340;ThickAsThieves;how does bet prove they have HIV?
650685;1398817354;ThickAsThieves;how does Magic prove he has it?
650686;1398817407;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: His is well know to have it.
650687;1398817491;mircea_popescu;!up PCATLMarketing
650688;1398817491;assbot;Voicing PCATLMarketing for 30 minutes.
650689;1398817697;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3} 
650690;1398817698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00098103 = 13.293 BTC [-]
650691;1398818124;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
650692;1398818286;JorgePasada;Comcast needs to stop talking
650693;1398818291;JorgePasada;er, failing
650694;1398818292;JorgePasada;at talking
650695;1398818295;JorgePasada;to my modem
650696;1398818917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00098126 = 11.5789 BTC [+]
650697;1398819222;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50285026 = 1.0057 BTC [-] {2} 
650698;1398819283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00098199 = 5.1554 BTC [+] {2} 
650699;1398819345;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50291091 = 1.0058 BTC [+] {2} 
650700;1398819527;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50290036 BTC [-]
650701;1398819893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00098103 = 14.0778 BTC [-]
650702;1398820381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00098099 = 3.6787 BTC [-] {2} 
650703;1398820912;thestringpuller;!jd MPIF
650704;1398820913;assbot;Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.29370635 BTC
650705;1398820930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00098309 = 21.7263 BTC [+] {2} 
650706;1398821237;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.501 BTC [-]
650707;1398821357;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50290036 BTC [+]
650708;1398821594;Duffer1;;;info dexX7
650709;1398821595;gribble;Error: The command "info" is available in the Factoids, GPG, MessageParser, and RSS plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "info".
650710;1398821604;Duffer1;;;gpg info dexX7
650711;1398821604;benkay;;;gpg info dexX7
650712;1398821604;gribble;User 'dexX7', with keyid 7675E31CF5719832, fingerprint F43718054C3E7C5CFB33E8257675E31CF5719832, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Sep 11 16:04:17 2013, last authed on Tue Apr 29 21:31:28 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=dexX7 . Currently authenticated from hostmask dexX7!~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7 .
650713;1398821606;gribble;User 'dexX7', with keyid 7675E31CF5719832, fingerprint F43718054C3E7C5CFB33E8257675E31CF5719832, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Sep 11 16:04:17 2013, last authed on Tue Apr 29 21:31:28 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=dexX7 . Currently authenticated from hostmask dexX7!~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7 .
650714;1398821617;benkay;;;gpg info benkay
650715;1398821618;gribble;User 'benkay', with keyid 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sun Mar 10 04:18:03 2013, last authed on Mon Apr 28 15:15:00 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=benkay . Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@2600:4402:c002:3::854:fb5e .
650716;1398821729;benkay;http://stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks
650717;1398821744;Duffer1;;;gpg rate 5 shrewd, discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT
650718;1398821745;gribble;Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it.  Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.
650719;1398821772;Duffer1;;;gpg rate dexX7 5 discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT
650720;1398821772;gribble;Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "rate" in it.  Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.
650721;1398821782;Duffer1;hmm
650722;1398821820;pankkake;just ;;rate
650723;1398821829;dexX7;thanks <3
650724;1398821846;Duffer1;thanks pankkake, it's been a while since i've rated anyone
650725;1398821852;Duffer1;;;rate dexX7 5 discreet, trustworthy steward of Ciphermine-PT
650726;1398821854;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user dexX7 has been recorded.
650727;1398821861;Duffer1;there we go
650728;1398821885;pankkake;gribble commands are confusing, some have short aliases some do not
650729;1398821902;pankkake;and the online documentation is wrong in some places
650730;1398821947;dexX7;well, then you should go ahead and correct it maybe?
650731;1398822028;asciilifeform;http://stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks << great piece. this is why two common career goals of programmers are 1) quit programming 2) find work where you program alone
650732;1398822029;ozbot;Programming Sucks
650733;1398822199;mircea_popescu;http://stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks%20%3C yielded a 404.
650734;1398822202;mircea_popescu;which was lulzy
650735;1398822211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00463946 = 0.2505 BTC [-] {2} 
650736;1398822212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.04239724 = 0.3392 BTC [+] {4} 
650737;1398822258;benkay;"ERROR: Attempted to parse HTML with regular expression; system returned Cthulhu.
650738;1398822261;benkay;"
650739;1398822272;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04300001 = 0.43 BTC [+]
650740;1398822273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19128 @ 0.00097632 = 18.675 BTC [-] {2} 
650741;1398822277;benkay;who was it that said programming is the art of telling people what to make the computer do?
650742;1398822350;mircea_popescu;stalin ?
650743;1398822595;benkay;"So no, I'm not required to be able to lift objects weighing up to fifty pounds. I traded that for the opportunity to trim Satan's pubic hair while he dines out of my open skull so a few bits of the internet will continue to work for a few more days."
650744;1398822598;benkay;jesus its my life
650745;1398822619;benkay;i traded piss tests and the risk of digit loss for pressed shitboard
650746;1398822630;benkay;AND CAN'T TELL IF IT WAS A GOOD DEAL
650747;1398822635;mircea_popescu;lol pressed shitboard lives!
650748;1398822645;benkay;it's a good one
650749;1398822798;mircea_popescu;" The only reason coders' computers work better than non-coders' computers is coders know computers are schizophrenic little children with auto-immune diseases and we don't beat them when they're bad."
650750;1398822822;mircea_popescu;ridiculous. i beat the shit out of my systems. i broke a leg off the table to hammer at a monitor once.
650751;1398822851;mircea_popescu;hm. but i guess this actually works, cause im not really a coder. a well.
650752;1398822862;asciilifeform;http://stilldrinking.org/me-and-the-nsa
650753;1398822862;ozbot;Me and the NSA
650754;1398822882;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23661 @ 0.00097479 = 23.0645 BTC [-] {2} 
650755;1398822911;mircea_popescu;http://stilldrinking.org/img/moi.png << and yet he looks like a schmuck.
650756;1398822934;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: broke a leg off the table to hammer at a monitor << soviet school of display repair! werks for me!
650757;1398823024;mircea_popescu;nah, the entire assemblage collapsed
650758;1398823046;mircea_popescu;i just pounded it into bits and had another system made.
650759;1398823050;asciilifeform;lol
650760;1398823119;mircea_popescu;"I can't even weigh in on what passes for political discourse in this country because I would actually do what the crazies are accusing Obama of doing. Seriously: I would take away everyone's guns, force public healthcare on everyone, put all the bankers in jail, engage in a strategic, federally-funded campaign to eradicate religion, turn us into a socialist state, and give every annoying country in the world forty-eig
650761;1398823120;mircea_popescu;ht hours to stand down their armies before I nuked them back to the Cambrian. I probably wouldn't euthanize old people, but I might force abortions on the stupid."
650762;1398823134;benkay;well if you had the bits, why not just recompile?
650763;1398823195;mircea_popescu;"Any positive or negative response on a request-by-request basis would allow our adversaries to accumulate information and draw conclusions about NSA's technical capabilities, sources, and methods."
650764;1398823207;mircea_popescu;heh. the adversaries have it all mapped out, but thanks.
650765;1398823241;asciilifeform;fellow's a crackpot, but the entertaining kind.
650766;1398823404;mircea_popescu;basically a less-annoying-than-usual applciation of cracked.com
650767;1398823419;mircea_popescu;(hyperbola and word salad is the cracked.com recipe)
650768;1398823556;asciilifeform;so far, reading these has taught me that 'hipster' is something approaching an ethnic group
650769;1398823664;asciilifeform;literally.
650770;1398823688;asciilifeform;as in, how you can tell that a fellow's a russian even if he lives in new york, never once mentions russia, writes in 'the king's english', etc.
650771;1398823701;mircea_popescu;well ima go count some sheep.
650772;1398823715;asciilifeform;don't overflow register.
650773;1398824773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @ 0.00097388 = 29.8007 BTC [-] {2} 
650774;1398825565;benkay;!up Sorcier_FXK
650775;1398825565;assbot;Voicing Sorcier_FXK for 30 minutes.
650776;1398825583;benkay;welcome, Sorcier_FXK - what brings you to this vile armpit of the internet?
650777;1398825608;benkay;;;gettrust Sorcier_FXK
650778;1398825608;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Sorcier_FXK: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Sorcier_FXK | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Sorcier_FXK | Rated since: Mon Apr  7 17:15:49 2014
650779;1398825624;benkay;davout: who is this Sorcier_FXK ?
650780;1398825871;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00097584 = 20.6878 BTC [+] {2} 
650781;1398826664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00098163 = 19.6326 BTC [+]
650782;1398826786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12369 @ 0.00097397 = 12.047 BTC [-] {2} 
650783;1398826817;TestingUnoDosTre;danielpbarron I can not offer commentary on trustworthiness of dignork. He helped me sign up a gpg key on my tablet while I was traveling for work. I have never done any business with him
650784;1398827159;decimation;ascii: http://www.ussubmarines.com/submarines/seattle_1000.php3  a Diesel-electric sub for a few $10m
650785;1398827396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7131 @ 0.00097337 = 6.9411 BTC [-]
650786;1398827399;decimation;mirceau_popescu: the treatment of individuals vs. corporations: http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=a274ed18-760a-42ed-b7be-b17bb0f63d54
650787;1398827401;decimation;One of the best ways for a violator to demonstrate that its violation was not willful is to self-disclose it. Indeed, in recognition of this fact and in order to encourage self-disclosures of systemic problems, the Department of Justice has followed a policy of foregoing prosecutions of companies that make complete, and self-initiated voluntary disclosures.1 (The same policy does not apply to individuals.)
650788;1398827823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3} 
650789;1398827945;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5} 
650790;1398828006;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03392391 = 0.1696 BTC [-] {4} 
650791;1398828067;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0339999 = 0.17 BTC [+] {5} 
650792;1398828189;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5} 
650793;1398828250;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5} 
650794;1398828262;danielpbarron;TestingUnoDosTre: thanks
650795;1398828305;TestingUnoDosTre;de nada
650796;1398828311;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0339999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {3} 
650797;1398828336;TestingUnoDosTre;is it possible to check w/ nickserv if someone has taken a nickname?
650798;1398828372;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0339999 = 0.204 BTC [+] {6} 
650799;1398828433;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03414225 = 0.239 BTC [+] {7} 
650800;1398828494;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449778 = 0.138 BTC [+] {4} 
650801;1398828496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00098054 = 7.9424 BTC [+]
650802;1398828860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11336 @ 0.00098163 = 11.1278 BTC [+]
650803;1398828912;TestingUnoDosTre;weak
650804;1398829127;decimation;I think the best feature of an undersea journey across the ocean would be the forced disconnection from the world.  Seymour Cray said he got his best ideas digging a tunnel under his backyard.
650805;1398829168;TestingUnoDosTre;that's where all the fastest internet connections are... under da sea
650806;1398829240;decimation;http://www.businessweek.com/1989-94/pre88/b31571.htm Cray's parents nurtured his sharp, voracious mind. His father stocked a basement laboratory with chemistry sets and radio gear and permitted young Seymour to tinker into the wee hours.
650807;1398829292;decimation;a parent who so acts today would probably be reported to the FBI
650808;1398829299;TestingUnoDosTre;isn't chemistry one of the most dangerous activities for kids>
650809;1398829316;decimation;yeah, so is life
650810;1398829334;TestingUnoDosTre;great point...
650811;1398829407;decimation;Later, Norris recalls, he asked Cray to write a five-year plan for CDC. The result: ''Five year goal: Build the biggest computer in the world. One year goal: Achieve one-fifth of the above.''
650812;1398829531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00098246 = 12.9193 BTC [+] {3} 
650813;1398830263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00098463 = 13.5879 BTC [+]
650814;1398830934;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51813216 BTC [+]
650815;1398831605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15991 @ 0.00098054 = 15.6798 BTC [-]
650816;1398831788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9709 @ 0.00098054 = 9.5201 BTC [-]
650817;1398831849;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03436705 = 0.1375 BTC [-] {4} 
650818;1398831910;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5} 
650819;1398831971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0344965 = 0.1035 BTC [+] {3} 
650820;1398832032;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03449503 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {3} 
650821;1398832093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03449471 = 0.1725 BTC [-] {5} 
650822;1398832154;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 23 @ 0.04300001 = 0.989 BTC [+] {5} 
650823;1398832155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 90 @ 0.0013 = 0.117 BTC [+]
650824;1398832215;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 44 @ 0.04300001 = 1.892 BTC [+] {4} 
650825;1398832276;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0344942 = 0.207 BTC [-] {6} 
650826;1398832337;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449955 = 0.138 BTC [+] {4} 
650827;1398832338;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349875 = 0.1305 BTC [+]
650828;1398832399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449862 = 0.138 BTC [-] {4} 
650829;1398832459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03475 = 0.2085 BTC [+] {6} 
650830;1398832520;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349876 = 0.1305 BTC [+] {3} 
650831;1398832581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349886 = 0.1305 BTC [+] {3} 
650832;1398832643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23797 @ 0.00098163 = 23.3598 BTC [+] {2} 
650833;1398833069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00097883 = 4.992 BTC [-] {2} 
650834;1398833141;mike_c;a worthy read.  many lulz at the expense of the sec.
650835;1398833143;mike_c;http://blogmaverick.com/2014/01/21/my-first-sec-trial-transcript-has-some-real-comedy-and-a-message-to-mary-jo-white-sec-vs-schvacho/
650836;1398833145;ozbot;My First SEC Trial Transcript Has Some Real Comedy and a Message to Mary Jo White – SEC vs Schvach
650837;1398833747;cazalla;TestingUnoDosTre: you can always /msg nickserv info namehere
650838;1398833779;TestingUnoDosTre;gracias -  found out I have to become more creative
650839;1398834034;TestingUnoDosTre;.d
650840;1398834035;ozbot;8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1971 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.6710% in 11d 9h 41m 48s
650841;1398834472;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.49222333 = 4.43 BTC [-] {7} 
650842;1398834655;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49000001 = 0.98 BTC [-]
650843;1398834899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0400001 = 0.36 BTC [-] {2} 
650844;1398834900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.0009777 = 14.1278 BTC [-] {2} 
650845;1398836058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
650846;1398836119;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 670 @ 0.00090614 = 0.6071 BTC [+] {4} 
650847;1398837007;ThickAsThieves;flight to amsterdam is booked!
650848;1398838091;cazalla;http://www.rba.gov.au/foi/disclosure-log/pdf/131419.pdf old document but released today, brief mention of MPEx page 9
650849;1398838437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16822 @ 0.00098212 = 16.5212 BTC [+]
650850;1398839047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00098212 = 18.6603 BTC [+]
650851;1398839474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00098212 = 8.5444 BTC [+]
650852;1398839718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06768448 = 0.1354 BTC [-] {2} 
650853;1398840511;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00098008 = 1.8622 BTC [-]
650854;1398841182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00098224 = 23.1318 BTC [+] {2} 
650855;1398841361;Naphex;morning
650856;1398842341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5875 @ 0.00098229 = 5.771 BTC [+]
650857;1398843045;Naphex;morning
650858;1398843271;fluffypony;Naphex: morning
650859;1398843294;Naphex;morning, fluff`, did you check out my working example for addresses? complete with dnssec, and server pubkey?
650860;1398843440;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00463934 = 0.1624 BTC [-]
650861;1398843522;fluffypony;I saw it in the log but got busy
650862;1398843531;fluffypony;I'll track back and look at it this morning when I get a mo :)
650863;1398844079;HeySteve;morning
650864;1398844133;HeySteve;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/29/litecoin_hardware_spells_the_end_for_graphics_card_mining/
650865;1398844354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00098236 = 8.8412 BTC [+] {2} 
650866;1398845086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00098008 = 4.9494 BTC [-]
650867;1398845584;fluffypony;;;later tell dexX7 thanks for giving me morning readings :)
650868;1398845584;gribble;The operation succeeded.
650869;1398845696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00098266 = 9.6792 BTC [+] {3} 
650870;1398846062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00097887 = 16.2492 BTC [-] {2} 
650871;1398846550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.50885144 = 2.5443 BTC [+] {4} 
650872;1398846611;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
650873;1398848624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19675 @ 0.00098296 = 19.3397 BTC [+]
650874;1398850088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07094347 = 2.483 BTC [+] {7} 
650875;1398851955;mircea_popescu;decimation: mirceau_popescu: the treatment of individuals << dude you srsly typed that out ?!
650876;1398852030;mircea_popescu;decimation: a parent who so acts today would probably be reported to the FBI << i had a chemistry lab. complete with strong acids and everything, i had like a pint of vitriol oil.
650877;1398852282;mircea_popescu;holy shit there's 1mn pdf to html/etc converters online, NONE of them will take an url as input
650878;1398852300;mircea_popescu;why is the web made by imbeciles! srsly, how hard is to think this one through guys!
650879;1398852307;mircea_popescu;cazalla mind quoting the brief mention ?
650880;1398852375;cazalla;mircea_popescu: 32 As an aside, there are options contracts for delivery of bitcoins and bitcoin - denomina ted commodity futures being sold at the MPEx Exchange . Recent news reports suggest that the Commodity and Futures Tr ading Commission in the US is evaluating its role in derivatives contracts that are denominated in bitcoins.
650881;1398852379;mircea_popescu;"My understanding of insider trading law is that in order for it to be insider trading, there must be some violation of trust. In other words, if someone walked up to you and said “Im the CEO of this public company and I’m about to make the biggest cash sale in the history of the company and we will blow away all wall street numbers and you should buy the stock”. That is without question material, non-public info
650882;1398852379;mircea_popescu;rmation. But if you trade on the information, is it insider trading ? The answer as best I understand the law is NO. It is not insider trading. Why ? Because the CEO did not ask you to keep the information confidential. Nor did he ask you not to trade on the information. You have no responsibility to him. You can trade and tell the world about his deal if you would like."
650883;1398852385;mircea_popescu;the cuban quote is quite inaccurate, if very self serving
650884;1398852398;mircea_popescu;cazalla ah ty.
650885;1398852516;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: ghostscript can do pdf to html via via, here's a python3 snippet for it: http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/36700759050/converting-pdf-to-html
650886;1398852531;mircea_popescu;ty but im not running it.
650887;1398852555;mircea_popescu;someone should make a website that works just like google translate,
650888;1398852566;mircea_popescu;except it takes in pdf and spits out actual text.
650889;1398852568;fluffypony;if you want I'll setup a little service to do it for you, we're running ghostscript on the one server for PDF invoices
650890;1398852574;mircea_popescu;call it the deadobinator.
650891;1398852585;mircea_popescu;fluffypony set it for the world, it's a good utility.
650892;1398852634;mircea_popescu;"you don't need to interact with pdfs anymore, just prefix all pdf download links with http://fluffypony.com/fuckadobe/"
650893;1398852667;fluffypony;lol
650894;1398852683;fluffypony;lemme play with this little python snippet and see what I can do
650895;1398852751;mircea_popescu;no rush.
650896;1398852787;fluffypony;oh wikipedia, u so meta: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists
650897;1398852815;mircea_popescu;nowai.
650898;1398852919;punkman;mircea_popescu: there's scribd, but it kinda sucks http://www.scribd.com/vacuum?url=
650899;1398852932;mircea_popescu;yeah not rly an improvement
650900;1398853432;punkman;I'll try their API, had it on some todo list a while ago
650901;1398853443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26978 @ 0.00098323 = 26.5256 BTC [+] {3} 
650902;1398853443;punkman;meanwhile, namecheap answers: "Unfortunately, technical department informed us that you should use only static IPs wih API. Once the IP is changed automatically the API will fail."
650903;1398853995;mircea_popescu;kik
650904;1398854053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20405 @ 0.00098188 = 20.0353 BTC [-]
650905;1398855090;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07079999 = 0.6372 BTC [-]
650906;1398855761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00097997 = 25.0382 BTC [-] {4} 
650907;1398856192;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-mark-cuban/ :)
650908;1398856192;gribble;The operation succeeded.
650909;1398856798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25875 @ 0.00098479 = 25.4814 BTC [+] {2} 
650910;1398857103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 290 @ 0.0013 = 0.377 BTC [+]
650911;1398858506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00097778 = 11.1956 BTC [-] {2} 
650912;1398858567;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 8 @ 0.14 = 1.12 BTC
650913;1398858628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11137 @ 0.00098012 = 10.9156 BTC [+]
650914;1398858933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00098255 = 14.4435 BTC [+] {2} 
650915;1398860641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26654 @ 0.00097495 = 25.9863 BTC [-] {2} 
650916;1398860763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0711 = 0.3555 BTC [-] {2} 
650917;1398862462;fluffypony;;;later tell asciilifeform thought you'd enjoy your views on Lisp being confirmed by the South African netsec community: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WAEfFWvp
650918;1398862462;gribble;The operation succeeded.
650919;1398862551;Apocalyptic;fluffypony, you know Stalker ?
650920;1398862557;Apocalyptic;I mean THE Stalker ?
650921;1398862576;fluffypony;Apocalyptic: no clue if that's his nick here, I'd assume so
650922;1398862589;Apocalyptic;where did this convo take place ?
650923;1398862601;fluffypony;#zacon on Atrum
650924;1398862700;Apocalyptic;can you ask him if he's the HZV Stalker ?
650925;1398862721;fluffypony;k
650926;1398862776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00098149 = 11.6797 BTC [+]
650927;1398863033;fluffypony;Apocalyptic: not him
650928;1398863180;Naphex;the syntax in lisp is just brilliant
650929;1398863192;Naphex;so easy to understand, and see what's going on ;]
650930;1398863213;Naphex;makes coding look like abstract art
650931;1398863325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00097423 = 35.9491 BTC [-] {2} 
650932;1398863335;Apocalyptic;fluffypony, ok, thanks
650933;1398863346;Naphex;http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/lisp.jpg
650934;1398863629;fluffypony;http://www.activistpost.com/2014/04/silk-road-prosecutor-contradicts-irs.html?m=1
650935;1398863630;ozbot;Activist Post: Silk Road Prosecutor Says IRS is Wrong, Bitcoin is Money
650936;1398863665;fluffypony;so basically: "Bitcoin is money. Or property. Or a medium of exchange. Or a store of value. Or gold. Dependent on whether we want to prosecute or tax you or both."
650937;1398864080;ThickAsThieves;seems they are trying to solve the wrong problem\
650938;1398864091;Apocalyptic;^
650939;1398864098;ThickAsThieves;why try to put a square in a round hole
650940;1398864106;ThickAsThieves;just give it its own category
650941;1398864234;ThickAsThieves;hell they dont even have to do that, maybe just go ahead and let it be multiple things in law
650942;1398864242;ThickAsThieves;is bitcoin money? yes
650943;1398864248;ThickAsThieves;is it property? yes
650944;1398864251;ThickAsThieves;etc
650945;1398865607;ThickAsThieves;!up random_cat_
650946;1398865607;assbot;Voicing random_cat_ for 30 minutes.
650947;1398865744;random_cat_;ty; sometime soon semi-auto authenticate will re-occur
650948;1398865778;random_cat_;the query was: isn't money [just] a special form of property?
650949;1398865788;thestringpuller;ThickAsThieves: why try to put a square in a round hole << i've said this for years. but now i'm starting to understand people are so stupid they don't realize they are stupid
650950;1398865805;ThickAsThieves;"A unique category of property is money, which in some legal systems is treated as tangible property and in others as intangible property."
650951;1398865962;ThickAsThieves;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pando.com/2014/04/29/skillbridge-is-racing-to-become-the-freelance-consultants-marketplace/ in regards to having a "bitcoin freelance.com" how might that differ from freelance.com and the like simply accepting bitcoin? to ONLY accept bitcoin?
650952;1398865963;gribble;The operation succeeded.
650953;1398865973;ThickAsThieves;;;later
650954;1398865974;gribble;Error: "later" is not a valid command.
650955;1398866010;thestringpuller;~_~
650956;1398866145;ThickAsThieves;;;halfreward
650957;1398866146;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sun Aug 21 14:55:32 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 2 years, 16 weeks, 2 days, 1 hour, and 0 seconds.
650958;1398866177;ThickAsThieves;;;interval
650959;1398866178;gribble;526.829268292683
650960;1398866190;fluffypony;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581995.20
650961;1398866190;fluffypony;lawl
650962;1398866191;ozbot;[XCP] Adeally IPO Monday April 28
650963;1398866192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.07225812 = 2.3123 BTC [+] {5} 
650964;1398866201;random_cat_;too bad halfreward does not mention the block number
650965;1398866203;ThickAsThieves;;;totalbtc
650966;1398866203;gribble;Error: "totalbtc" is not a valid command.
650967;1398866203;fluffypony;SEC filing was incorrect
650968;1398866209;ThickAsThieves;;;totalbc
650969;1398866210;gribble;12711475.0
650970;1398866211;fluffypony;"Just be happy that nobody has mentioned the Whistleblower program, which provides a 10-30% bounty on SEC enforcement actions that result from tips on possible SEC violations.  With all of the faucet mongers on this forum, I imagine at least one or two of them would spend a few minutes on the SEC website for a payday down the road."
650971;1398866253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30543 @ 0.00097653 = 29.8262 BTC [+] {2} 
650972;1398866368;ThickAsThieves;interesting that they filed at all
650973;1398866400;ThickAsThieves;(i assume someone verified they did?)
650974;1398866432;ThickAsThieves;;;obip 1000
650975;1398866433;gribble;Bitstamp | The weighted average price of BTC, 1000.0 coins up and down from the spread, is 446.28772 USD. | Data vintage: 0.1078 seconds
650976;1398866448;ThickAsThieves;interesting
650977;1398866454;ThickAsThieves;thats like excactly the price
650978;1398866490;ThickAsThieves;;;baratio
650979;1398866490;gribble;Bitstamp | Total bids: 9884457 USD. Total asks: 23180 BTC. Ratio: 426.41103 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 58.1081 seconds
650980;1398866741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5546 @ 0.00097551 = 5.4102 BTC [-]
650981;1398866816;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: they provided a snurl'd link to the SEC filing in the OP
650982;1398866830;ThickAsThieves;word
650983;1398866842;ThickAsThieves;http://pando.com/2014/04/29/with-all-that-cash-why-is-apple-borrowing-to-raise-its-dividend-and-buybacks/ this is interesting
650984;1398866843;ozbot;With all that cash, why is Apple borrowing to raise its dividend and buybacks? | PandoDaily
650985;1398866881;bounce;because the cash isn't really cash and stuck across borders and more of that bs?
650986;1398866924;ThickAsThieves;sorta
650987;1398866935;ThickAsThieves;in order to keep the money overseas to avoid tax
650988;1398866939;ThickAsThieves;they borrow money here
650989;1398866958;ThickAsThieves;through the bond offering
650990;1398867003;ThickAsThieves;they buyback their own stock
650991;1398867025;ThickAsThieves;it's fucked up and elegant
650992;1398867243;ThickAsThieves;KnCMiner Joins Bitcoin Foundation at Platinum Level
650993;1398867341;random_cat_;CoB < E[RoE] ?
650994;1398867509;ThickAsThieves;!up princessnell_
650995;1398867509;assbot;Voicing princessnell_ for 30 minutes.
650996;1398867518;princessnell_;thanks
650997;1398867526;ThickAsThieves;np
650998;1398867547;ThickAsThieves;if you need help getting auth'd and all that jazz, people in here can help
650999;1398867567;ThickAsThieves;same for you random_cat_
651000;1398867834;ThickAsThieves;;;later tell fluffypony see look, you do have (software) competition! http://bitcoinmagazine.com/12660/coinmyne/
651001;1398867834;gribble;The operation succeeded.
651002;1398867951;fluffypony;ThickAsThieves: yep I know, but hey - competition is good for the soul;)
651003;1398868031;ThickAsThieves;well it at least means the vertical might actually exist
651004;1398868033;ThickAsThieves;;)
651005;1398868094;fluffypony;it definitely does
651006;1398868206;fluffypony;and there's a lot more to mining than cgminer
651007;1398868792;thestringpuller;https://hashop.io/calc/16
651008;1398868806;thestringpuller;;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com https://hashop.io/calc/16
651009;1398868807;gribble;NEXT: 16-10-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2013>
651010;1398868843;thestringpuller;;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com "hashop.io"
651011;1398868844;gribble;NEXT: 16-10-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2013>
651012;1398868856;thestringpuller;~_~
651013;1398868937;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0340011 = 0.34 BTC [-]
651014;1398868980;mike_c;mircea_popescu: i thought you'd like that article.  i am a fan of cuban, he's good people.
651015;1398869003;mike_c;good writeup. a bit harsh on mark, but he can take it.
651016;1398869138;thestringpuller;mike_c: is this in trilema?
651017;1398869143;mike_c;yes
651018;1398869159;thestringpuller;new article?
651019;1398869172;mike_c;yes, would you like me to read it to you out loud? :)
651020;1398869225;ThickAsThieves;lol
651021;1398869272;thestringpuller;yes please. will you read it to me tonight before I go to bed
651022;1398869272;*;mike_c needs more coffee
651023;1398869276;thestringpuller;like a bed time story?!?!?
651024;1398869288;thestringpuller;why was I here again...
651025;1398869289;thestringpuller;oh yea
651026;1398869291;mike_c;absolutely.  just send me 1 trilema credit.
651027;1398869295;thestringpuller;!jd MPIF
651028;1398869296;assbot;Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.36083449 BTC
651029;1398869301;thestringpuller;WHOA
651030;1398869308;thestringpuller;HOL UP HOL UP
651031;1398869323;thestringpuller;;;google ( .36 / 50 )
651032;1398869324;gribble;Source Four® EDLT 19˚, 26˚, 36˚, & 50˚ ETC®: <http://www.etcconnect.com/docs/docs_downloads/datashts/7060L1042_S4_EDLT_Spec_Sht_vC.pdf>; Source Four® jr 36° ETC®: <http://www.etcconnect.com/DOCS/DOCS_DOWNLOADS/DATASHTS/7062L1008_SOURCE_FOUR_JR_36_SPEC_SHT_VE.PDF>; Control Escon Page: <http://escon.maxonmotor.com/>
651033;1398869332;thestringpuller;;;calc ( 0.36 / 50 )
651034;1398869333;gribble;0.0072
651035;1398869353;thestringpuller;;;calc 0.0072 * 6
651036;1398869353;gribble;0.0432
651037;1398869407;thestringpuller;;;calc 0.0072 * 5
651038;1398869407;gribble;0.036
651039;1398869448;mike_c;if you're curious, here's historical monthly JD ROI: http://www.btcalpha.com/income/
651040;1398869547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0404999 = 0.405 BTC [+]
651041;1398869590;thestringpuller;nice
651042;1398869592;thestringpuller;thx
651043;1398869649;mike_c;this month was 4.4%
651044;1398870021;kakobrekla;are you gonna do cumulative charts too ?
651045;1398870096;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0405 = 0.405 BTC [+]
651046;1398870218;mike_c;there's a widget for calculating cum ROI across any timespan on there
651047;1398870237;kakobrekla;yea i just figured that out
651048;1398870283;mike_c;cumulative ROI from inception, it can be hard to tease out useful info. idk.
651049;1398870320;mike_c;aw, sheesh.  fricking widget is busted.  who coded this crap?
651050;1398870401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0009764 = 8.2018 BTC [+]
651051;1398870551;thestringpuller;ThickAsThieves: what do you think about Curren$y?
651052;1398870577;mike_c;ok, widget is fixed.
651053;1398870659;mike_c;so, last night i was on bitbet and was thinking that it would be cool to have a dynamic banner ad that promoted bitbets.  aspiring affiliates could use it to make big moolah.
651054;1398870684;mike_c;proof of concept:  http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_ad.png  (reload a few times for dynamicism)
651055;1398870706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00097574 = 13.1725 BTC [-] {2} 
651056;1398870716;benkay;neat, mike
651057;1398870716;kakobrekla;this is neat
651058;1398870720;kakobrekla;first!!
651059;1398870727;*;kakobrekla checks the log
651060;1398870738;kakobrekla;fuck.
651061;1398870882;mike_c;proof of concept is slow & unstable (pings BB in background), but wouldn't be hard to make it solid.
651062;1398871152;kakobrekla;you could do like ?id=1,2,3 to feed it the pool from which to select the displayed text ?
651063;1398871177;kakobrekla;let it ping bb who cares
651064;1398871201;kakobrekla;its not like im gonna run out bandwidth like ukyo does
651065;1398871209;mike_c;yeah, that would work.  the default should be to grab from open bets (which it doesn't check right now).
651066;1398871227;mike_c;well, i'm thinking BB might get mad at my server and rate limit it.
651067;1398871235;bounce;*iwilcox* [...] these guys should be in #bitcoin-otc-uk this evening: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583152.0 [...] -- post from the 24th, claiming "We have developed a NASDAQ style exchange platform" and bitcoin/GBP for starters; logs then show a post 110 higer claiming to be "the only true UK bitcoin exchange".
651068;1398871246;kakobrekla;prolly not mike_c
651069;1398871267;mike_c;but i have like, crazy traffic!  BB might get swamped :D
651070;1398871310;kakobrekla;hehe
651071;1398871325;kakobrekla;on a side point , the site is quite lightweight
651072;1398871330;mike_c;but i'm thinking i'll whip up an includable .js that writes out the image and a supplied affiliate id.  then affiliates can use it in their advertising.
651073;1398871344;kakobrekla;so it should handle some beating.
651074;1398871369;mike_c;static pages are nice that way.
651075;1398871417;bounce;re apple borrowing to pay dividents, they've been doing that for a while. though, thinking about it... are those off-shore profits still tax deductible when gifted to charities?
651076;1398871423;kakobrekla;fyi, when you scroll in /browse/, theres a delay added intentionally on loading new data, because without it, it was too fast and didnt look good.
651077;1398871442;mike_c;heh. nice.
651078;1398871520;ThickAsThieves;bounce, my guess is that they may not necessarily be donating that offshore money, but that they have less need to spend it there in the short term than they have need to spend money in the US. Sorta like theyve diverted more assets overseas than they need, but no so badly that theyre willing to eat the tax hit to bring it back.
651079;1398871554;ThickAsThieves;even more likely, they are biding their time for a tax holiday or special workaround yet to exist
651080;1398871621;bounce;I'm not asking whether they would be donating anything. I'm asking whether, in case some company would like to donate and deduct, they can do it with off-shore money
651081;1398871819;kakobrekla;i just checked, 50ms delay, but you notice it.
651082;1398871937;ThickAsThieves;<+bounce> I'm not asking whether they would be donating anything. I'm asking whether, in case some company would like to donate and deduct, they can do it with off-shore money --- well, they can't bring it back without paying their due. i suppose they could donate within the host country though. I really don't know the facts.
651083;1398872069;fluffypony;bounce: wow, there are so many "One True UK Bitcoin Exchanges" right now
651084;1398872070;fluffypony;we should start one
651085;1398872082;fluffypony;EVERYONE should start one and claim there's is the only TRUE one
651086;1398872089;bounce;oh yes, why not. entirely run by non-residents. there's a novel idea.
651087;1398872106;fluffypony;come now
651088;1398872108;bounce;there's?
651089;1398872117;fluffypony;Christian Papathanasiou is "widely considered a UK thought leader"
651090;1398872125;fluffypony;need we say anything more?
651091;1398872130;bounce;whosat?
651092;1398872131;fluffypony;he leads thoughts.
651093;1398872152;fluffypony;Global Coin FX
651094;1398872170;fluffypony;the Seedcoin II funded *true* UK exchange
651095;1398872295;fluffypony;bounce: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.0 <- another *true* UK exchange
651096;1398872298;bounce;searching for that guy's name brings up this: http://www.athcon.org/about.php
651097;1398872312;bounce;yeah that's the +110
651098;1398872353;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0405 = 0.162 BTC [+]
651099;1398872355;fluffypony;this UK exchange thing is becoming a living, breathing No True Scotsman fallacy
651100;1398872392;fluffypony;"Christian works as a Senior Application Security Architect for a large Investment Bank based in London"
651101;1398872410;fluffypony;I see
651102;1398872410;fluffypony;so that's how you become a thought leader
651103;1398872410;*;fluffypony makes a note
651104;1398872472;bounce;my experiences with uk recruiters is... not good. "not enough unix" when there's six flavours on the old cv, that sort of stuff.
651105;1398872598;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0700013 = 0.14 BTC [-]
651106;1398872962;fluffypony;bounce: they sound special
651107;1398873154;fluffypony;!up the20year
651108;1398873154;assbot;Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
651109;1398873156;fluffypony;!up mrstickball
651110;1398873156;assbot;Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
651111;1398873274;mrstickball;thanks
651112;1398873277;the20year;yay
651113;1398873304;the20year;I would have thought mrstickball would have had a high enough rating for auto voice
651114;1398873329;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
651115;1398873423;benkay;it's not quantity but quality
651116;1398873427;benkay;;;gettrust assbot mrstickball
651117;1398873427;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vpkoyrxcbdyijtjn. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul  5 18:09:54 2013
651118;1398873436;fluffypony;the20year: it's not about a "high" rating
651119;1398873449;fluffypony;the20year: you have to be in assbot's l1 or l2 to up yourself
651120;1398873452;benkay;uh but it seems mrstickball could up himself.
651121;1398873455;mrstickball;I assumed I had L2 with assbot
651122;1398873468;benkay;;;gettrust assbot the20year
651123;1398873469;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.146.185. Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 11:21:55 2014
651124;1398873479;ThickAsThieves;!down the the20year
651125;1398873486;ThickAsThieves;!down the20year
651126;1398873491;ThickAsThieves;do it right plz!
651127;1398873563;benkay;the man can't self-up, ThickAsThieves.
651128;1398873573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0381001 = 0.381 BTC [-]
651129;1398873583;ThickAsThieves;well tell me this
651130;1398873596;ThickAsThieves;what's the point of +m if someone just gets voiced every day by someone else?
651131;1398873634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] [PAID] 5.00000000 BTC to 50`000 shares, 10000 satoshi per share
651132;1398873635;benkay;the point is that those who can voice do so if they feel moved by the spirit
651133;1398873656;ThickAsThieves;well feel free to re-up i guess i made my point
651134;1398873695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00097897 = 10.3771 BTC [+]
651135;1398873695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.38507092 BTC to 7`589 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
651136;1398873707;BingoBoingo;!up the20year
651137;1398873707;assbot;Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
651138;1398873740;BingoBoingo;the20year:  for srs has no one trust in you?
651139;1398873748;the20year;Not here at least it seems
651140;1398873756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00097815 = 6.4558 BTC [-]
651141;1398873756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 42.37371273 BTC to 7`589 shares, 558357 satoshi per share
651142;1398873766;the20year;You'd think i'd be able to drum up more people considering i've been given along the lines of 1k btc
651143;1398873818;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.03800456 = 0.9121 BTC [-] {3} 
651144;1398873851;mrstickball;the problem is that he never bothered with core/OTC until recently
651145;1398873870;the20year;Correct
651146;1398873878;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.03964468 = 0.7929 BTC [+] {3} 
651147;1398873879;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07364998 = 0.1473 BTC [+]
651148;1398873882;BingoBoingo;the20year: Well I'm averse to trusting you because of that thing where you consider Ohio viable enough to make it a core part of your schtick
651149;1398873885;the20year;So I've been working on ratings for 2 days, granted mrstickball i don't think still have enough trust after a year to voice himself
651150;1398873896;the20year;You live in Ohio?
651151;1398873933;fluffypony;the20year: you can get enough trust to voice yourself the day you join
651152;1398873941;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 99 @ 0.03302152 = 3.2691 BTC [-] {6} 
651153;1398873942;fluffypony;it's not about historical ratings
651154;1398873943;benkay;I'm averse to trusting the20year due to that whole 'suspend trading and sell stock at a fixed price' thing, BingoBoingo .
651155;1398873946;fluffypony;or cumulative ratings
651156;1398873972;BingoBoingo;benkay: Maybe that is a part of it? Maybe it isn't.
651157;1398873972;the20year;fluffypony: how?
651158;1398873990;mrstickball;benkay: correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what Havelock does
651159;1398873992;BingoBoingo;the20year: I thought I made my position on Ohio well known in the past.
651160;1398873992;fluffypony;the20year: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=POS&type=SENT
651161;1398874000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.036 = 0.864 BTC [-]
651162;1398874004;the20year;And your source of data boingo?
651163;1398874006;fluffypony;the20year: just go and trade OTC with any of those people
651164;1398874018;fluffypony;once rated you'll be in assbot's L2
651165;1398874035;ThickAsThieves;<+mrstickball> benkay: correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what Havelock does <<< only of the20year allows it
651166;1398874055;the20year;with suspending shares for 2nd phase? I'm not aware of any option they have outside of it
651167;1398874061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 27 @ 0.036 = 0.972 BTC [-] {2} 
651168;1398874063;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.07385419 = 3.1757 BTC [+] {7} 
651169;1398874064;benkay;yeah, this "havelock's the problem here!" whine carries absolutely no water.
651170;1398874069;mike_c;<+fluffypony> the20year: just go and trade OTC with any of those people << if they give ratings for trading peanuts OTC
651171;1398874069;ThickAsThieves;why are you calling it second phase?
651172;1398874076;ThickAsThieves;isnt this your 3rd or 4th offering?
651173;1398874076;benkay;sell at the market price. that's the honest thing to do.
651174;1398874077;the20year;Isn't that what it is?
651175;1398874096;the20year;Our stock is based on USD, and that was the price of USD:BTC at the time of re-issuing
651176;1398874104;benkay;stop.
651177;1398874104;fluffypony;mike_c: sure, doesn't have to be peanuts tho - 1 BTC isn't a bad trade OTC
651178;1398874124;BingoBoingo;the20year: That part where that river lit on fire in your state. The General shittiness of THE Ohio State University needing to emphasize the "THE", there are others
651179;1398874126;benkay;it doesn't matter. you don't get to set a price for your freely traded paper.
651180;1398874142;the20year;BingoBoingo: and those are economic factors because?
651181;1398874157;the20year;If there's no demand for said paper, then there's no demand
651182;1398874183;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0072648 = 0.138 BTC [-]
651183;1398874184;ThickAsThieves;!t h rent
651184;1398874185;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00726480 / 0.00747862 / 0.00750000 (209 shares, 1.56303120 BTC), 7D: 0.00726480 / 0.00749755 / 0.00750000 (1822 shares, 13.66053120 BTC), 30D: 0.00726480 / 0.00749981 / 0.00750000 (23119 shares, 173.38803120 BTC)
651185;1398874187;mrstickball;BingoBoingo: so you're judging someone based on a university they are not affiliated with?
651186;1398874197;BingoBoingo;the20year: Because maybe Ohio might decide to make the rivers flamable again? Maybe the whole state collapses into Earth's mantle after a football loss.
651187;1398874208;benkay;yeah, you found some suckers. doesn't make what they're doing investing, doesn't make what you're doing not insane.
651188;1398874219;BingoBoingo;mrstickball: No. I am judging their land tied rental business based on its location.
651189;1398874221;the20year;And our fund isn't an investment because?
651190;1398874235;the20year;Based on pollution problems from the 1960s and a college in the state
651191;1398874244;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 40 @ 0.06474168 = 2.5897 BTC [-]
651192;1398874256;the20year;Makes total sense
651193;1398874268;BingoBoingo;Also, Brandon Phillips
651194;1398874289;benkay;the20year: it's a reference to the difference between what happens on havelock and what investing actually is. reading comprehension ftw.
651195;1398874301;BingoBoingo;And the movie Major League didn't exactly paint a flattering portrait of the state
651196;1398874309;the20year;A movie?
651197;1398874556;BingoBoingo;There are lots of reasons to doubt Ohio is going to last the next decade, much less the next century before it collapses into a North American Somalia.
651198;1398874732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53593 @ 0.00098025 = 52.5345 BTC [+] {3} 
651199;1398874759;mrstickball;yeah, so that means everyone from Ohio is an idiot, and you should never do business with them, eh?
651200;1398874777;bitcoinpete;gotta jet but ima leave this here:
651201;1398874788;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/04/30/a-billion-doesnt-buy-respect/
651202;1398874789;ozbot;A Billion Doesn’t Buy Respect | When Bitcoin Met Pete
651203;1398874797;bitcoinpete;as per nba clippers dude
651204;1398874856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
651205;1398874867;the20year;is there a way to get a multi-day log from bitcoin-assets?
651206;1398874902;BingoBoingo;mrstickball: When you have a venture tied to physical land, generally the idiots surrounding it affect the desirability of that land.
651207;1398874926;mrstickball;I see, nice to know that you feel that way about 10 million people
651208;1398874976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03399999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {2} 
651209;1398875039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23057 @ 0.00098335 = 22.6731 BTC [+]
651210;1398875041;BingoBoingo;!up mrstickball
651211;1398875041;assbot;Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
651212;1398875081;BingoBoingo;a fundamental right of persons is to dislike things, whether the things are chocolate, puppies, or locations
651213;1398875098;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.06474168 = 1.2948 BTC [-]
651214;1398875099;BingoBoingo;Or other persons
651215;1398875134;mrstickball;Sure, its a right. Doesn't make the view correct
651216;1398875160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03282499 = 0.6565 BTC [-] {5} 
651217;1398875166;the20year;It's like that lady I was talking to on facebook last night who said gasonline prices are lower on average under Obama than the past administrations
651218;1398875219;ThickAsThieves;sounds like a horrible conversation
651219;1398875238;the20year;I'm pretty sure i lost IQ
651220;1398875251;the20year;I even dug up the EIA weekly gasoline price report going back to 1990
651221;1398875253;BingoBoingo;mrstickball: It's a judgment. Time reveals correctness. I judge Ohio to dangerous to have anything tied to its land.
651222;1398875281;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0311 = 0.1244 BTC [-]
651223;1398875283;mrstickball;so you believe in 10 years, Ohio will be like Somalia? Willing to bet BTC on that?
651224;1398875291;the20year;oooh, let's get a bitbet going
651225;1398875294;benkay;the20year: wouldja share that EIA data?
651226;1398875296;the20year;I'll put up 2btc
651227;1398875302;benkay;bitbet only goes out 12 mos.
651228;1398875339;the20year;http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/xls/pet_pri_gnd_dcus_nus_w.xls
651229;1398875342;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03 = 0.18 BTC [-] {2} 
651230;1398875343;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0062041 = 0.6204 BTC [-] {4} 
651231;1398875388;benkay;of course it's not really 'gasoline' any more. 'corn oil', and subsidized at that.
651232;1398875411;the20year;Corn oil sells locally for $3.25/gal
651233;1398875464;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 100 @ 0.14 = 14 BTC
651234;1398875563;BingoBoingo;benkay: Worse than that. Corn Alcohol rendered undrinkable. That and it doesn't lubricate engine parts.
651235;1398875579;benkay;right. corn alcohol, not oil.
651236;1398875620;kakobrekla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VFopiRaXwQ
651237;1398875620;ozbot;Dark Wallet Alpha - YouTube
651238;1398875622;kakobrekla;lmao.
651239;1398875647;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.02820001 = 0.2538 BTC [-] {2} 
651240;1398875659;BingoBoingo;http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5102455&cid=46879871
651241;1398875660;ozbot;Bloomberg's Trading Terminals Now Providing Bitcoin Pricing - Slashdot
651242;1398875709;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.02820001 = 0.141 BTC [-]
651243;1398875747;punkman;"Amir Taaki is listed by Forbes as one of the top 30 entrepreneurs under 30 in 2014"
651244;1398875761;Apocalyptic;kako, gotta love the Amir
651245;1398875769;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02820001 = 0.282 BTC [-]
651246;1398875795;kakobrekla;video from http://www.wired.com/2014/04/dark-wallet/
651247;1398875847;ThickAsThieves;gawd...
651248;1398875889;Apocalyptic;punkman, not sure if serious or...
651249;1398875959;kakobrekla;punkman you got that from here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COisLGwnb-M
651250;1398876039;punkman;kakobrekla: http://metronews.ca/news/toronto/1017866/darkmarket-the-silk-road-successor-police-cant-shut-down/
651251;1398876075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC
651252;1398876135;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03077777 = 0.277 BTC [+] {3} 
651253;1398876181;thestringpuller;Dark Wallet was conceived last summer by Wilson and Amir Taaki. << immediately stopped reading when I saw Taaki's name
651254;1398876185;thestringpuller;for fucks sake
651255;1398876196;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.03180768 = 0.4135 BTC [+] {6} 
651256;1398876257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.031 = 0.217 BTC [-] {4} 
651257;1398876471;jurov;for conception's sake
651258;1398876488;punkman;Amit Avner, The veteran of Israeli Defense Force's elite intelligence and  programming unit is a coding prodigy who started a search engine at age  14.  does advertising to put brands in real-time social conversations  for major brands like American Express, Paramount Studios, Pepsi and  Samsung.
651259;1398876504;punkman;this Forbes list has a lot of derp
651260;1398876562;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]
651261;1398876806;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 53 @ 0.06474168 = 3.4313 BTC [-]
651262;1398876867;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00097815 = 1.6629 BTC [-]
651263;1398877050;jurov;!up mjr_
651264;1398877050;assbot;Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
651265;1398877057;jurov;!up mius
651266;1398877057;assbot;Voicing mius for 30 minutes.
651267;1398877075;jurov;!up Dimsler
651268;1398877075;assbot;Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.
651269;1398877109;Dimsler;yeah i left my btc wallet back home
651270;1398877113;Dimsler;no gribble auth for me
651271;1398878209;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
651272;1398878268;Naphex;evening
651273;1398878305;asciilifeform;from the circus:
651274;1398878307;asciilifeform;http://chr13.com/2014/04/20/using-facebook-notes-to-ddos-any-website
651275;1398878308;ozbot;Using Facebook Notes to DDoS any website | A Programmer's Blog
651276;1398878514;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SF2] 162 @ 0.001 = 0.162 BTC
651277;1398878516;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 7 @ 0.14 = 0.98 BTC
651278;1398878697;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50454994 = 1.0091 BTC [-] {2} 
651279;1398878941;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00097757 = 14.5658 BTC [-]
651280;1398879002;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00459 = 0.1652 BTC [-]
651281;1398879124;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 17 @ 0.006017 = 0.1023 BTC [-] {2} 
651282;1398879166;ThickAsThieves;http://devilsadvocate.biz/amsterdam-bitcoin-conferences-quantum-mining-and-the-future/
651283;1398879168;ozbot;Amsterdam, Bitcoin Conferences, Quantum Mining and the Future
651284;1398879168;mike_c;^ open market seems to disagree with 3po price
651285;1398879185;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50499989 = 1.01 BTC [+]
651286;1398879242;mike_c;9 paragraphs, 11 footnotes :)  you guys.
651287;1398879279;ThickAsThieves;just waiting for your footnote article!
651288;1398879429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00097705 = 8.6957 BTC [-]
651289;1398879458;mike_c;tat you should live-ish blog, that would be interesting.  and then you can capture some of those interesting conversations before they grow fuzzy in recollection.
651290;1398879462;fluffypony;http://phpmanualmasterpieces.tumblr.com/post/70257636397/im-crying-literally-crying-actual-tears-in-my
651291;1398879463;ozbot;PHP Manual Masterpieces
651292;1398879754;ThickAsThieves;i just might
651293;1398879875;BingoBoingo;;;later tell mircea_popescu Statements should be in your mailbox
651294;1398879875;gribble;The operation succeeded.
651295;1398879917;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6906 @ 0.00012322 = 0.851 BTC [+] {11} 
651296;1398880039;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 831 @ 0.00012729 = 0.1058 BTC [+]
651297;1398880161;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00097705 = 31.6564 BTC [-]
651298;1398880283;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 41 @ 0.02883412 = 1.1822 BTC [-] {15} 
651299;1398880344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07477643 = 1.1964 BTC [+] {5} 
651300;1398880382;bounce;where was that piece about quantum-proofing bitcoin? it's apparently doable though requires something of a revamp, so probably yet another altcoin
651301;1398880527;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 644 @ 0.00451278 = 2.9062 BTC [-] {11} 
651302;1398880649;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.0043548 = 0.4311 BTC [-] {5} 
651303;1398880650;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0741 = 1.0374 BTC [-]
651304;1398880954;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0335 = 0.1675 BTC [+]
651305;1398881015;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0336 = 0.1344 BTC [+]
651306;1398881137;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0334999 = 0.134 BTC [-]
651307;1398881320;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07386034 = 0.8863 BTC [-] {2} 
651308;1398881381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31065 @ 0.00097676 = 30.343 BTC [-] {2} 
651309;1398881442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35635 @ 0.00097328 = 34.6828 BTC [-] {5} 
651310;1398881504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07499989 = 0.75 BTC [+]
651311;1398881564;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07499989 = 0.225 BTC [+]
651312;1398881687;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07101492 = 0.142 BTC [-]
651313;1398881747;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
651314;1398881814;benkay;for teh lols, it takes > a minute to generate 4096 bit keypair on a cutting edge iOS device
651315;1398881991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10710 @ 0.00097931 = 10.4884 BTC [+] {2} 
651316;1398882174;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0300001 = 0.18 BTC [-]
651317;1398882235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 28 @ 0.00739958 = 0.2072 BTC [+]
651318;1398882328;Apocalyptic;I wouldn't generate any kind of key on such device
651319;1398882343;Apocalyptic;unless it's "for teh lols"
651320;1398882495;cgcardona_;top of tha mornin #bitcoin-assets o/
651321;1398882508;fluffypony;benkay: presumably due to lack of entropy not due to it being tough to crunch?
651322;1398882519;benkay;fluffypony: i'd assume.
651323;1398882534;fluffypony;"move the mouse to generate entropy"
651324;1398882537;fluffypony;:-P
651325;1398882590;fluffypony;oh Bob Hoskins died :(
651326;1398882591;benkay;Apocalyptic: it's an adequate solution.
651327;1398882628;ThickAsThieves;http://www.cnet.com/news/yelp-now-lists-businesses-that-accept-bitcoin/
651328;1398882628;ozbot;Yelp now lists businesses that accept Bitcoin - CNET
651329;1398882723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00097943 = 8.7169 BTC [+]
651330;1398882906;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0309999 = 0.186 BTC [+] {6} 
651331;1398883089;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0741 = 0.5187 BTC [+]
651332;1398883394;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 86 @ 0.07011241 = 6.0297 BTC [-] {5} 
651333;1398883699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50969968 = 1.0194 BTC [+]
651334;1398883760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.50969986 = 1.5291 BTC [+] {2} 
651335;1398883821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5097 BTC [+]
651336;1398884431;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00097943 = 20.9598 BTC [+]
651337;1398884614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] [PAID] 3.20000000 BTC to 40`000 shares, 8000 satoshi per share
651338;1398884919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00098139 = 16.7818 BTC [+] {3} 
651339;1398885224;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48320571 = 4.8321 BTC [-] {7} 
651340;1398885285;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07406305 = 0.1481 BTC [+]
651341;1398885834;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48264098 = 4.8264 BTC [-] {8} 
651342;1398885942;BingoBoingo;http://deadspin.com/fsu-basketball-player-explains-why-jameis-winston-alleg-1569838996
651343;1398885943;ozbot;FSU Athlete Explains Why Jameis Winston Allegedly Stole Food
651344;1398886078;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.08 = 0.48 BTC [+]
651345;1398886277;ThickAsThieves;"The jury is deliberating in the lawsuit between Apple Inc. (NASDAQ:AAPL) and Samsung, but their decision is modified and perhaps complicated by the fact that any damages awarded to Apple will be paid not by the Korean copycat, but by Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG). Google, the creator of the Android platform, agreed to absorb a portion, or the entirety, Samsung’s losses (if any) and court
651346;1398886277;ThickAsThieves;costs because the infringed patents relate to the Mountain View firm’s software, and not Samsung’s hardware. "
651347;1398886444;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+]
651348;1398886850;BingoBoingo;!up Mats_cd03
651349;1398886850;assbot;Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
651350;1398886857;BingoBoingo;!up daybyter
651351;1398886857;assbot;Voicing daybyter for 30 minutes.
651352;1398886862;BingoBoingo;!up jorash
651353;1398886862;assbot;Voicing jorash for 30 minutes.
651354;1398886875;daybyter;hi!
651355;1398886877;BingoBoingo;!up ericmuyser
651356;1398886877;assbot;Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.
651357;1398886880;BingoBoingo;Hello
651358;1398886885;BingoBoingo;!up akstunt600
651359;1398886885;assbot;Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
651360;1398886929;akstunt600;Thanks
651361;1398886935;BingoBoingo;You are welcome
651362;1398886946;akstunt600;hey looking for a good c developer
651363;1398886970;akstunt600;i have a new coin with a very cool new concept i would like to implement
651364;1398886982;daybyter;C....not java...everybody hates java... :-(
651365;1398886993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00097943 = 5.093 BTC [-]
651366;1398887017;akstunt600;yeah lol, java scares me anymore. Such a shame ecause i supported Java devs for years as a systems admin
651367;1398887024;akstunt600;and ASE
651368;1398887057;akstunt600;i think javav clients and wallets scare many miners/investors
651369;1398887063;BingoBoingo;Yeah.
651370;1398887097;daybyter;I write all my trading code in java...
651371;1398887098;BingoBoingo;Local java can be workable for some uses, but... Even then usually there are better options.
651372;1398887143;Naphex;java is a good tool
651373;1398887151;Naphex;great if you know how to use it, when and where
651374;1398887154;thestringpuller;java is a terrible tool
651375;1398887159;*;daybyter hugs Naphex
651376;1398887170;thestringpuller;Lemme run VMs in a vm so you can vm
651377;1398887175;BingoBoingo;The whole having a Giant API layer to run some "portable" code is a turn off.
651378;1398887189;thestringpuller;Additionally why must java take so much memory?
651379;1398887195;Naphex;you can have that api layer as clean as you want
651380;1398887198;Naphex;its just a jar
651381;1398887208;BingoBoingo;Sure, but the runtime...
651382;1398887210;thestringpuller;You'd think the garbage collection would be more efficient than someone manually allocating memory.
651383;1398887210;daybyter;I run my code on my 256MB smartphone...
651384;1398887228;Naphex;thestringpuller: not that many problems with gc if you don't trash like an asshole
651385;1398887230;daybyter;and a bot on a 512MB vps.
651386;1398887236;Naphex;you're suposed to do quality code
651387;1398887238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12680 @ 0.00097943 = 12.4192 BTC [-]
651388;1398887253;Naphex;don't trash, and you won't have gc problems
651389;1398887258;daybyter;the same code.
651390;1398887270;thestringpuller;Naphex: such an idealist...
651391;1398887274;punkman;can't even browse interesting Java code without a damn IDE, all those damn subdirectories
651392;1398887286;thestringpuller;because when we set a pointer to null it'll be gc'ed in the next cycle
651393;1398887287;thestringpuller;~_~
651394;1398887289;thestringpuller;jesus
651395;1398887329;Naphex;oh man
651396;1398887334;Naphex;you guys should see enterprise software
651397;1398887336;Naphex;it's huge.
651398;1398887343;punkman;rly?
651399;1398887345;Naphex;like public transportation dispatches
651400;1398887368;Naphex;at that point having IDE's with autocomplete, context lookup and refactoring
651401;1398887371;Naphex;is a blessing
651402;1398887377;daybyter;good trading software is also big...
651403;1398887395;thestringpuller;Naphex: i used to work for a payment processor who wrote the entire webapp in java
651404;1398887405;thestringpuller;some like 2000 useless files
651405;1398887408;Naphex;i wouldn't do webapp dev in java tough
651406;1398887412;Naphex;and servlets and ee sucks ass
651407;1398887421;thestringpuller;oracle database with tables with 300+ columns
651408;1398887423;Naphex;standalone java, ftw, and backends and such
651409;1398887445;Naphex;i'd rather do scalable server backends, with nio in java then anything other
651410;1398887448;midnightmagic;thestringpuller: hah sounds like qpass
651411;1398887457;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust jorash
651412;1398887458;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user jorash: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=jorash | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jorash | Rated since: never
651413;1398887465;Naphex;boost c++ / python(or the realtime variants) /  whatever
651414;1398887482;daybyter;you want to work on java code?
651415;1398887489;daybyter;server included?
651416;1398887492;Naphex;you have static code, very good nio stack, and nice threading
651417;1398887499;Naphex;nah - i'm full
651418;1398887507;daybyter;oh... :-(
651419;1398887508;ThickAsThieves;;;rate jorash 1 Not afraid of criticism. Thank you.
651420;1398887508;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
651421;1398887515;ThickAsThieves;ah
651422;1398887521;BingoBoingo;lol
651423;1398887522;ThickAsThieves;well at least you all see it
651424;1398887523;Naphex;i wouldn't do GUI/servlets/ or webdev in java
651425;1398887535;Naphex;so yeah
651426;1398887549;daybyter;the bot can create a web UI for server mode.
651427;1398887565;daybyter;it's an exchange then.
651428;1398887588;daybyter;but still needs a lot of work...
651429;1398887603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3310 @ 0.00097943 = 3.2419 BTC [-]
651430;1398887614;thestringpuller;lol boost c++
651431;1398887621;thestringpuller;game devs love that one
651432;1398887635;Naphex;so do bitcoin devs
651433;1398887654;akstunt600;lol @ garbage collection issues, iits atrocious still
651434;1398887693;akstunt600;i like boost c++ i can even contribute in it. i mean i have already made the base for this new coin
651435;1398887711;akstunt600;I have never actually done more than the basic tuts in eclipse for c++
651436;1398887713;Mats_cd03;heyooooo
651437;1398887713;Naphex;boost c++ == java runtime for C++ :)
651438;1398887724;akstunt600;Thanks
651439;1398887727;Mats_cd03;just had a dericious popover
651440;1398887733;akstunt600;i feel dumb now
651441;1398887746;akstunt600;mmmm popovers
651442;1398887786;akstunt600;yeah i saw alot of semblance between the two
651443;1398887803;Naphex;plus i'd also wager that java profiling/analyzing/debugging tools are some of the best around
651444;1398887830;daybyter;I just use some simple SYstem.out.println...
651445;1398887836;daybyter;I hate eclipse...
651446;1398888001;Naphex;daybyter: try intelij maybe, or not an ide :]
651447;1398888025;daybyter;I'm happy with emacs...
651448;1398888035;daybyter;and my ant build files.
651449;1398888043;Apocalyptic;should use vim
651450;1398888152;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10390 @ 0.00097598 = 10.1404 BTC [-]
651451;1398888153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0300001 = 0.15 BTC [-]
651452;1398888213;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 31 @ 0.00710059 = 0.2201 BTC [-] {3} 
651453;1398888214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0305 = 0.122 BTC [+]
651454;1398888279;akstunt600;I love VIM i used eclipse ages ago
651455;1398888288;akstunt600;Vim is much more my style
651456;1398888290;akstunt600;:-)
651457;1398888316;akstunt600;just nice syntax highlisting and able to search and replace quickly
651458;1398888328;akstunt600;I used diff and cime to make this new base coin
651459;1398888357;akstunt600;Not sure i want it to be  pow/pos after readin up more on it and gettin a bit more intamate
651460;1398888380;akstunt600;However POSv is intriguin the velocity of money is a great idea
651461;1398888512;ThickAsThieves;my recent blog post has been softened a bit to be a little less bitcoinpete-y about the quantum mining guys
651462;1398888533;*;ThickAsThieves has a heart.
651463;1398888569;fluffypony;bravery level = so
651464;1398888572;fluffypony;or
651465;1398888574;fluffypony;altruism level = so
651466;1398888662;ThickAsThieves;well if i'm gonna be writing blog posts about people i better make sure i put myself in their shoes, since i'm more likely to be wearing them at some point
651467;1398888677;mike_c;outrageous viewpoints are more engaging! (see trilema)
651468;1398888697;ThickAsThieves;well even mircea has a code
651469;1398888701;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0739 = 0.2217 BTC [-]
651470;1398888829;BingoBoingo;!up Mats_cd03
651471;1398888829;assbot;Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
651472;1398888903;FabianB;;;ticker --all
651473;1398888903;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
651474;1398888923;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --marker all
651475;1398888923;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
651476;1398888923;BingoBoingo;;;more
651477;1398888923;FabianB;;;ticker --market all
651478;1398888923;gribble;the code is a valid currency on your target market. Default currency is USD.
651479;1398888930;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 448.56, vol: 10740.77264368 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 440.974, vol: 7166.42317 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 446.95000001, vol: 7354.70049941 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 442.71, vol: 65.20138464 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 445.630074, vol: 4064.44780000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 451.84808, vol: 5.76850587 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 454.83009, vol: 90.26075823 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
651480;1398888939;BingoBoingo;;;more
651481;1398888939;gribble;Error: That's all, there is no more.
651482;1398888984;FabianB;;;more
651483;1398888984;gribble;average: 445.917849754
651484;1398888987;FabianB;hmm
651485;1398889001;ThickAsThieves;;;less
651486;1398889002;gribble;Error: "less" is not a valid command.
651487;1398889068;fluffypony;;;plenty
651488;1398889068;gribble;Error: "plenty" is not a valid command.
651489;1398889073;fluffypony;well fine
651490;1398889079;FabianB;;;ticker --market all --currency eur
651491;1398889087;gribble;Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 323.41176, vol: 10740.78072368 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 321.05028, vol: 122.88625 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 319.19391, vol: 65.20138464 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 321.456384, vol: 4063.02780000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 323.9393, vol: 761.77418746 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 327.9, vol: 90.26075823 | Volume-weighted last average: 322.925581931
651492;1398889119;mike_c;so who is fucking with ATC?  mined like crazy until diff change, then they all shut off.  stupid pool hoppers.
651493;1398889140;fluffypony;bastards
651494;1398889145;fluffypony;heartless, ruthless bastards
651495;1398889150;fluffypony;messing with our dreams
651496;1398889161;FabianB;is it on any of the switchpools?
651497;1398889186;BingoBoingo;mike_c: That happened a way back
651498;1398889194;mike_c;it just happened.
651499;1398889195;ThickAsThieves;there has always been a bit of a pattern like that with atc
651500;1398889201;BingoBoingo;Really?
651501;1398889209;mike_c;last diff change was like 200%, next diff change projected at -67%
651502;1398889230;ThickAsThieves;yeah, ive seen several times where it starts -% prediction then ends up +
651503;1398889246;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Last diff change was quite a while ago wasn't it?
651504;1398889246;ThickAsThieves;like people mining only at the tail end of the period or some shit
651505;1398889252;mike_c;no, few days ago
651506;1398889277;fluffypony;"I agree, confidentiality agreements are not the funnest situations"
651507;1398889278;ThickAsThieves;it's funny considering the price has gone up
651508;1398889279;fluffypony;funnest
651509;1398889281;fluffypony;he said funnest
651510;1398889288;mike_c;BingoBoingo: april 27 i believe.
651511;1398889393;fluffypony;;;later tell mircea_popescu looks like everyone's trolling on the forum worked - "We have decided to re-structure Seedcoin Fund 2 to make it more attractive to potential investors and to re-launch the offering in the near future. All current SF2 investors will be refunded and invited to join the future offering."
651512;1398889394;gribble;The operation succeeded.
651513;1398889445;mike_c;atc diff from blockr.  note recent huge spike.  http://i.imgur.com/PqdZp0B.png
651514;1398889457;ThickAsThieves;or was it "we have realized aint no one gonna buy this, back to the drawing board!"
651515;1398889468;mike_c;almost all that hash power seems to be gone now.
651516;1398889478;ThickAsThieves;someone is trying to kill Altcoin!
651517;1398889492;ThickAsThieves;bring back teh whalez
651518;1398889511;mike_c;indeed.  I wonder what it would cost to rent some miner's hashpower to smooth out the bumps.
651519;1398889532;thestringpuller;%hash
651520;1398889540;thestringpuller;ugh whats teh command mod6
651521;1398889543;mike_c;%diff
651522;1398889546;atcbot;[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 149792.42 in 1834 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -67.10
651523;1398889548;ThickAsThieves;like i mentioned in romania, i was considering sponsoring some miners
651524;1398889561;mike_c;did you make any inquiries?
651525;1398889567;ThickAsThieves;but mircea was right, as usual, the best way to support them is by buying ATCs
651526;1398889587;ThickAsThieves;so i did and will continue to
651527;1398889596;thestringpuller;i imagine ATC will become extremely useful in lieu of the testnet
651528;1398889703;mike_c;well, price support is nice.  but it seems that can lead to what just happened.  that is, it gets profitable and so a huge flood of hash hits the network, profit is taken, and hash leaves.
651529;1398889730;mike_c;now the only way to attract would be to make it profitable at the new difficulty level, which is way too high
651530;1398889745;mike_c;and could result in the same problem happenning again
651531;1398889777;mike_c;so having some TH/s in your back pocket to smooth out these kind of bumps still seems like a good idea.
651532;1398889862;mod6;thestringpuller: and remember there is always %help
651533;1398889862;atcbot;%t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <ATC Address> | %atc_mined | %block <block_height> | %last_block | %cm_rate | %ptp_rate
651534;1398889881;mike_c;hands-off management might not be the answer here :)
651535;1398889896;mod6;on the next restart, some of those commands will be smaller: %last_block becomes %lb, etc.
651536;1398889898;atcbot;[ATC Last Block] Height: 30422  Time: 2014-04-30T19:37:51Z  Vout Sum: 512  Number TXs: 1  Difficulty: 455357.12903751  Hash: 0000000000002498569861e6b76cafa903d6e235cf337d8da3d4d7a8d224eceb  Fee: 0.00000000  Size: 518  Days Destroyed: 0  Confirmations: 1
651537;1398889904;mod6;oop, lol
651538;1398889928;mike_c;mod6: and it will only check for commands at start of line?
651539;1398890021;mod6;yeah, i can add that too.
651540;1398890024;BingoBoingo;%atc_mined
651541;1398890024;atcbot;[ATC Mined] ATC Mined (to date): 15575552  Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456  % Mined of Total: 5.80
651542;1398890031;ThickAsThieves;mike_c well i'm down to help
651543;1398890038;ThickAsThieves;if we can think of a sound way to do it
651544;1398890054;ThickAsThieves;i wish to maintain my promise to never mine any
651545;1398890073;ThickAsThieves;but that doesnt mean i wont donate to someone else providing hash security for the network
651546;1398890083;BingoBoingo;With only just under 6% mined, I dunno if advancing difficulty supposed price is the right approach.
651547;1398890119;mike_c;well, mining is a PITA.  I would be interested to know what it would cost to get an option from some miners where they would agree to put some hashes on ATC when we want in the amounts we want.
651548;1398890191;mike_c;i'd also like to hear more from mircea_popescu if he thinks this is a bad idea.
651549;1398890195;ThickAsThieves;maybe we start the Altcoin Foundation
651550;1398890202;mike_c;lol
651551;1398890209;ThickAsThieves;except we actually do stuff for the health of the coin n stuff
651552;1398890237;mike_c;yes.  can i be an amber member? platinum is so 2013.
651553;1398890321;ThickAsThieves;i think stan might be good at designing membership levels
651554;1398890342;ThickAsThieves;Patron of the Motherland
651555;1398890345;ThickAsThieves;or somesuch
651556;1398890591;fluffypony;is there a firm love for sha256 as an algo?
651557;1398890598;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Yes
651558;1398890608;fluffypony;ok
651559;1398890613;fluffypony;in terms of multi-pools
651560;1398890624;fluffypony;why not look at something like KGW or DigiShield?
651561;1398890633;fluffypony;they're both half a dozen of one, six of another
651562;1398890647;fluffypony;but they prevent multipools from taking advantage much
651563;1398890917;mike_c;one of the nice things about altcoin is that is bitcoin in disguise.
651564;1398891080;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03350004 = 0.67 BTC [+] {5} 
651565;1398891141;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.03295674 = 2.0433 BTC [-] {14} 
651566;1398891142;fluffypony;mike_c: which is fine when you have 57ph/s network wide, but when you have a significantly small distribution it's easy to manipulat
651567;1398891150;fluffypony;*manipulate
651568;1398891202;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.03095223 = 0.6809 BTC [+] {8} 
651569;1398891203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00097356 = 9.3949 BTC [-] {2} 
651570;1398891225;fluffypony;so whilst doing the whole "Bitcoin in disguise" thing is humorous, if the aim is to prevent multipools or someone with a wack of hashing power abusing it (and thus making it even more useless/pointless) then there are solutions to that
651571;1398891237;BingoBoingo;http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/04/30/1822209/openssh-no-longer-has-to-depend-on-openssl
651572;1398891239;ozbot;OpenSSH No Longer Has To Depend On OpenSSL - Slashdot
651573;1398891258;mike_c;yes, well, i'd rather pay a miner 0.2 btc to let us down gently from this difficulty bump instead of completely change the coin.
651574;1398891264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03200199 = 0.16 BTC [-] {3} 
651575;1398891324;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03208333 = 0.1925 BTC [+] {6} 
651576;1398891379;fluffypony;how is adding a more rapid difficulty adjustment "completely" changing the coin?
651577;1398891385;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0325 = 0.26 BTC [+] {8} 
651578;1398891386;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.032375 = 0.1295 BTC [+] {2} 
651579;1398891404;fluffypony;I'd argue that Satoshi was optimistic in his difficulty adjustment timeframe
651580;1398891407;mod6;ok quick atcbot restart here.
651581;1398891455;ThickAsThieves;well we aint gonna change the diff adjustment time now
651582;1398891474;ThickAsThieves;it was chosen arbitrarily intentionally dammit!
651583;1398891488;fluffypony;lol
651584;1398891508;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.033125 = 0.1325 BTC [+] {4} 
651585;1398891568;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.0339615 = 0.4415 BTC [+] {11} 
651586;1398891629;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0345 = 0.276 BTC [+] {5} 
651587;1398891633;mod6;blah blah blah %h
651588;1398891640;mod6;%h
651589;1398891641;atcbot;%t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h
651590;1398891663;fluffypony;good job mod6
651591;1398891690;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.03023557 = 1.028 BTC [-] {8} 
651592;1398891751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.02968047 = 0.6233 BTC [-] {5} 
651593;1398891752;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0345 = 0.5175 BTC [+] {4} 
651594;1398891753;mod6;thx fluffypony
651595;1398891812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03477777 = 0.313 BTC [+] {2} 
651596;1398891873;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0355 = 0.1775 BTC [+]
651597;1398891934;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 36 @ 0.0372836 = 1.3422 BTC [+] {9} 
651598;1398891935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00097598 = 12.151 BTC [+]
651599;1398891996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6281 @ 0.00097917 = 6.1502 BTC [+]
651600;1398892057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0359 = 0.1436 BTC [-]
651601;1398892165;BingoBoingo;I'm kind of wondering... Spz someone wanted to buy an SHA-256 ASIC for AltCoin... Where the fuck would they even buy one?
651602;1398892199;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: Spondoolies
651603;1398892281;BingoBoingo;fluffypony: Do they actually deliver?
651604;1398892333;fluffypony;BingoBoingo: seems so
651605;1398892358;BingoBoingo;I dun think seems so is good enough for mining hardware.
651606;1398892402;fluffypony;what I mean is
651607;1398892408;fluffypony;I haven't got one in my hands
651608;1398892411;fluffypony;:-P
651609;1398892511;rithm;go away assbot you are drunk
651610;1398892561;rithm;!down danilepbarron
651611;1398892572;rithm;!down danielpbarron
651612;1398892572;assbot;rithm, you can't do that to danielpbarron.
651613;1398892577;rithm;why not assbot
651614;1398892582;rithm;you suck
651615;1398892650;mike_c;BingoBoingo: how much hash you looking to get?
651616;1398892663;danielpbarron;??
651617;1398892665;mike_c;or, 'someone'
651618;1398892666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5036 @ 0.00097889 = 4.9297 BTC [-]
651619;1398892692;BingoBoingo;mike_c: I'm not actually looking to hash, but I am supposing if someone actually wanted hash... Who sells hash.
651620;1398892726;benkay;should be able to purchase hashes on one of the hash exchanges
651621;1398892729;benkay;ghash.io?
651622;1398892738;danielpbarron;!down rithm
651623;1398892738;assbot;danielpbarron, you can't do that to rithm.
651624;1398892742;benkay;nope.
651625;1398892745;danielpbarron;lol
651626;1398892778;BingoBoingo;benkay: Nah, I mean actual physical hardware.
651627;1398892780;rithm;would it be terrible if you couldn't get voiced in her danielpbarron
651628;1398892781;mike_c;these guys actually deliver quickly (like couple biz days): http://www.112bit.com/product/antminer-s1-dual-blade/
651629;1398892788;danielpbarron;rithm: no
651630;1398892803;danielpbarron;rithm: i mostly read in here; my opinion barely matters at my stage in the game
651631;1398892808;rithm;i just listen now because assbot
651632;1398892851;rithm;assbot broke my spirit and ruined bitcorn
651633;1398892904;BingoBoingo;mike_c:  That... actually doesn't seem bad.
651634;1398892946;mike_c;yeah.  there are a few "companies" doing bitmain reselling in US.  that guy (112bit) has been doing it for awhile.
651635;1398892985;mike_c;pay the money, few days later a dusty box shows up from china.
651636;1398893032;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [+] {2} 
651637;1398893046;BingoBoingo;Maybe I haven't heard of them because there hasn't been a big fuss over "scam"
651638;1398893074;fluffypony;AntMiner has an extremely positive perception
651639;1398893145;mike_c;112bit's thread: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/antminer-s1-u-s-868-u2-x-500-u-s-8550-bitmain-for-usa-112bit-com.255811/
651640;1398893215;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48202011 BTC [-]
651641;1398893276;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48200011 BTC [-]
651642;1398893825;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 26 @ 0.00577117 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {5} 
651643;1398894189;danielpbarron;has anyone in here ever floated the idea of bringing the WoT to twitter? There is a way to verify that a GPG key is associated with a twitter profile; #bitcoin-otc could be replaced with a twitter hashtag
651644;1398894191;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.00565049 = 0.1978 BTC [-] {2} 
651645;1398894241;fluffypony;yes, keybase.io
651646;1398894252;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.029555 = 0.5911 BTC [-] {3} 
651647;1398894253;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.06474168 = 1.2948 BTC [-]
651648;1398894278;danielpbarron;right, that's what i'm referring to
651649;1398894292;danielpbarron;what I mean is: give gribble a twitter account
651650;1398894304;asciilifeform;keybase.io << the scambase that wants your priv key, right
651651;1398894315;danielpbarron;you don't have to use keybase to do what i'm suggesting
651652;1398894324;danielpbarron;the concept can be done independantly
651653;1398894338;fluffypony;asciilifeform: apparently you can use it with pubkeys only
651654;1398894340;fluffypony;so I'm told
651655;1398894347;danielpbarron;you can
651656;1398894383;asciilifeform;how keybase can be trusted to do anything at all, is beyond me
651657;1398894431;danielpbarron;lol so don't trust keybase; you can still GPG sign a data object describing your association with a twitter profile and then calculate a hash of that signature and tweet it
651658;1398894470;asciilifeform;or sign a message 'account xxx is mine'
651659;1398894478;danielpbarron;w/e
651660;1398894507;asciilifeform;of course, later account is taken over by spammers, whoever
651661;1398894511;danielpbarron;it would help to have a standard, whatever it is, so that the WoT twitter bot could scan for the verification tweets for the purpose of authing users
651662;1398894529;danielpbarron;you could issue a twitter revocation message
651663;1398894538;danielpbarron;your GPG key wouldn't be compromised
651664;1398894557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00097806 = 22.6421 BTC [-] {2} 
651665;1398894575;danielpbarron;there could be more than one WoT twitter bot, too (is this getting close to a decentralized WoT; just brainstorming here)
651666;1398894674;punkman;nonsense
651667;1398894688;pankkake;if only namecoin didn't solve all that already
651668;1398894701;pankkake;perhaps it should have been called namecoin.io
651669;1398894717;fluffypony;nameco.in ?
651670;1398894718;danielpbarron;that would be cool too; i've been a fan of Namecoin for a while now
651671;1398894721;fluffypony;domain hacks are all the rage
651672;1398894737;danielpbarron;or was that sarcasm?
651673;1398894745;punkman;isn't there one like keybase that works on namecoin?
651674;1398894752;pankkake;https://nameid.org/?name=pankkake
651675;1398894753;ozbot;NameID: Your Crypto-OpenID
651676;1398894777;pankkake;except I didn't have to give my private key to anyone
651677;1398894800;pankkake;and (omg) it's decentralized
651678;1398894834;danielpbarron;why does everyone keep saying "give private key to someone" << I never suggested doing that!
651679;1398894853;danielpbarron;and cool, i'm going to update my id/ to make it work on that site
651680;1398894860;danielpbarron;i had already reserved id/dpb :D
651681;1398894878;pankkake;:)
651682;1398894887;punkman;how big is the namecoin blockchain now?
651683;1398894914;pankkake;1.8G
651684;1398895137;BingoBoingo;!up Dimsler
651685;1398895137;assbot;Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.
651686;1398895143;BingoBoingo;!up dR3
651687;1398895143;assbot;Voicing dR3 for 30 minutes.
651688;1398895147;BingoBoingo;!up navhul-lacsup
651689;1398895147;assbot;Voicing navhul-lacsup for 30 minutes.
651690;1398895228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18069 @ 0.00097917 = 17.6926 BTC [+]
651691;1398895838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11095 @ 0.00097931 = 10.8654 BTC [+] {2} 
651692;1398896101;BingoBoingo;http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2014/03/25/phoenix-mickey-pit-bull-fate/6879191/
651693;1398896101;ozbot;Phoenix judge spares controversial pit bull's life
651694;1398896158;mircea_popescu;ooo look at all the blinking lights
651695;1398896305;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves no, not just that. plenty of things.
651696;1398896343;mircea_popescu;fluffypony that was unexpected
651697;1398896450;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: ikr
651698;1398896472;mircea_popescu;myeah.
651699;1398896524;BigBitz;mircea_popescu !
651700;1398896528;BigBitz;Where is my assbot trust!
651701;1398896627;ThickAsThieves;assbot trusts no one
651702;1398896633;BigBitz;DATTRUST.
651703;1398896641;mircea_popescu;lol
651704;1398896648;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust assbot BigBitz
651705;1398896649;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask BigBitz!~BigBitz@unaffiliated/bigbitz. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BigBitz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BigBitz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz | Rated since: Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013
651706;1398896653;mircea_popescu;there it is.
651707;1398896668;BigBitz;pesky assbot!
651708;1398896692;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 61 @ 0.06474168 = 3.9492 BTC [-]
651709;1398896696;ThickAsThieves;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/28/elizabeth-raine_n_5227509.html
651710;1398896696;ozbot;Med Student Elizabeth Raine Auctioning Virginity Faces Critics
651711;1398896700;fluffypony;BigBitz you've had L2 since forever
651712;1398896707;BigBitz;fluffypony dat L2.
651713;1398896713;BigBitz;;;rated fluffypony
651714;1398896713;gribble;You rated user fluffypony on Mon Apr 14 15:08:15 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: PPUSD for BTC. Smoooooth sailing..
651715;1398896713;fluffypony;forrizzle
651716;1398896715;ThickAsThieves;such photoshopping
651717;1398896715;mircea_popescu;BigBitz id with gribble pm assbot !up
651718;1398896716;BigBitz;<3
651719;1398896722;fluffypony;<5
651720;1398896725;BigBitz;mircea_popescu I did :P
651721;1398896728;BigBitz;I am +v
651722;1398896735;mircea_popescu;a ok wd.
651723;1398896740;BigBitz;ty ty
651724;1398896752;ThickAsThieves;"In order to circumvent U.S. laws prohibiting prostitution, Raine said the actual sex experience will take place in Australia, where it is legal."
651725;1398896753;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48140201 = 4.814 BTC [-] {7} 
651726;1398896762;fluffypony;[00:25:28]  <CampJustice> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ - Much better than being in that channel
651727;1398896766;fluffypony;now he'll be famous
651728;1398896771;BigBitz;Pick up hooker. Go to Australia. Done.
651729;1398896794;mircea_popescu;lol he has a point.
651730;1398896849;asciilifeform;there's a 'fetish component'
651731;1398896875;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0340001 = 0.34 BTC [-]
651732;1398896876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6437 @ 0.00097238 = 6.2592 BTC [-]
651733;1398896876;asciilifeform;some folks pay extra $5k+ for new car, vs. one driven off the lot once
651734;1398896878;asciilifeform;same idea
651735;1398896903;ThickAsThieves;does it include proof of hymen?
651736;1398896935;asciilifeform;damned if i know, ask the client.
651737;1398896936;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0729008 = 0.3645 BTC [-]
651738;1398896941;ThickAsThieves;meh
651739;1398896945;mircea_popescu;actulaly some do.
651740;1398896961;mircea_popescu;plenty of countries around the world you can get a virginity cert off any gp.
651741;1398896975;asciilifeform;in same countries, also get stitching op
651742;1398896992;ThickAsThieves;maybe she has butt sex daily
651743;1398897009;asciilifeform;'amazing business idea', ye read it here phurst,
651744;1398897009;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
651745;1398897014;asciilifeform;antibody-based test.
651746;1398897046;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i knew chicks like that. "saving themselves for marriage". kinda pervy imo
651747;1398897049;asciilifeform;would almost certainly give solid proof that fucked or sucked sans rubber
651748;1398897085;ThickAsThieves;my first gf was such
651749;1398897089;asciilifeform;as far as perversions go, this one is quite popular.
651750;1398897125;ThickAsThieves;all these claims of virginity, then one day "Hey did you know Mikey put it in her pooper?"
651751;1398897131;asciilifeform;perhaps also for reasons that no one particularly likes to discuss
651752;1398897167;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves "honey, all that trouble i went to so you could have a bloodied pecker and make me hurt... show some appreciaiton."
651753;1398897190;ThickAsThieves;well we never screwed, that event kinda wrecked things over time
651754;1398897204;ThickAsThieves;my friends enjoyed giving me shit about it
651755;1398897215;ThickAsThieves;she was ostracized basically
651756;1398897216;mircea_popescu;hey, what was btc-e's first altcoin scam thing called ? i forget, was it novacoin ?
651757;1398897220;ThickAsThieves;yes
651758;1398897230;mircea_popescu;aty
651759;1398897291;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves wait, you dumped the girl because she took it in the ass ?! dude you're wrapped up too tight.
651760;1398897318;asciilifeform;'the irish maidens have not lost their virtue, merely misplaced it by inch'
651761;1398897375;JorgePasada;I'm assuming the general opinion in this channel is that most of the altcoins are just pump and dump schemes
651762;1398897388;fluffypony;JorgePasada: there are some altcoins I quite fancy
651763;1398897397;fluffypony;but pankkake hates altcoins
651764;1398897400;asciilifeform;it is theoretically possible to have an interesting alt
651765;1398897404;fluffypony;he thinks they are the very scorn of the earth
651766;1398897417;JorgePasada;fluffypony: which ones and why?
651767;1398897422;asciilifeform;but s/bitcoin/turdcoin isn't interesting
651768;1398897429;mircea_popescu;JorgePasada seems a safe bet.
651769;1398897507;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves:is bitcoin money? yes is it property? yes << and who the fuck would accept such laws ?
651770;1398897529;mircea_popescu;or are we of the persuasion now that laws need just be made, and teh populace will just swallow whatever they happen to be /
651771;1398897579;fluffypony;JorgePasada: I like VertCoin because it keeps my GPU frames in business; I'm peripherally interested in PPC because of PoS; I think X11 based coins like Darkcoin are playing with some interesting concepts, and I am VERY interested in (the new) Bytecoin's ring signatures (although I prefer Monero as it's Bytecoin's code but without the dodgy premine/possibly faked blockchain data)
651772;1398897591;ThickAsThieves;<+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves wait, you dumped the girl because she took it in the ass ?! dude you're wrapped up too tight. /// lol it was obv much more complicated than that, i was a teenager!
651773;1398897603;asciilifeform;because of PoS << piece of shit? point of sale?
651774;1398897605;mircea_popescu;hehe. peer pressure ftw.
651775;1398897623;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Did you receive the latest trading statement?
651776;1398897624;mircea_popescu;!jd mpif
651777;1398897624;assbot;Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.39072182 BTC
651778;1398897625;ThickAsThieves;i ended up ditching the peers too
651779;1398897628;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yea
651780;1398897628;fluffypony;asciilifeform: proof of stake...they haven't gotten the implementation anywhere close to useful, but I think the idea is interesting
651781;1398897629;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Proof of Shit
651782;1398897638;mircea_popescu;holy shit it nearly made 1%
651783;1398897649;mircea_popescu;fluffypony explain the idea to me.
651784;1398897655;asciilifeform;proof of stake? Țepeșcoin!
651785;1398897666;ThickAsThieves;kobecoin
651786;1398897674;mircea_popescu;lol tepescoin
651787;1398897685;JorgePasada;Anyone from here going to the thing in Amsterdam?
651788;1398897693;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla am i correct in assuming panacea s.mpif investment is 50.0 may 1st ?
651789;1398897703;kakobrekla;correct
651790;1398897705;mircea_popescu;ty
651791;1398897715;JorgePasada;Also, I think proof of stake is interesting in theory
651792;1398897730;mircea_popescu;so that's everyone then, i will be publishing the f.mpif 1st statement tonight.
651793;1398897733;*;fluffypony mircea_popescu: I don't know it in enough detail to tl;dr, so this'll have to do - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_Stake
651794;1398897743;fluffypony;goddamn /me
651795;1398897744;JorgePasada;the problem is I have yet to see a good way of implementing it that handles both the technical AND social aspects of implementation
651796;1398897751;mircea_popescu;fluffypony but that was my point. if you think something's interesting you gotta be able to explain it :)
651797;1398897756;fluffypony;JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves is going to it
651798;1398897770;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I know, it's on my "stuff to understand" list
651799;1398897776;asciilifeform;i understand how 'proof of stake' works. but not wtf is the point.
651800;1398897778;mircea_popescu;no rush.
651801;1398897783;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform idem.
651802;1398897803;JorgePasada;ThickAsThieves: wanna grab a beer in Amsterdam?
651803;1398897811;fluffypony;asciilifeform: presumably once I understand the "how" I may come to the same conlusion
651804;1398897829;asciilifeform;it seems to reduce to 'mining wastes energy so let's have central banks'
651805;1398897859;asciilifeform;which, in turn, reduces to 'just let me conjure up all the coin and parcel it out to the lot of you idiots'
651806;1398897889;mircea_popescu;http://www.wired.com/2014/04/bitcoin_beer/
651807;1398897889;ozbot;Ohio Bans Buying Booze With Bitcoin | Enterprise | WIRED
651808;1398897905;BingoBoingo;^^ the20year mrstickball
651809;1398897908;mircea_popescu;ohio is like, figthing wisconsin to the death in this derpiest state competition
651810;1398897919;BingoBoingo;It has been for most of its history.
651811;1398897920;mircea_popescu;that apparently only they know about.
651812;1398897949;BingoBoingo;Only thin Ohio as produced are astronauts, people so traumatized by Ohio they had to leave this world.
651813;1398897974;mircea_popescu;mike_c is like never on anymore, he's almost like a guy with a day job and 3 side projects + a small kid or something.
651814;1398897976;joecool;well it's not like ohio's a very appealing place to go
651815;1398897978;mircea_popescu;anyway, mike_c, whai harsh yo usay ?
651816;1398897980;joecool;unless you're a sex offender
651817;1398897992;mircea_popescu;joecool judging by the property values, it's somewhere between kenya and utah
651818;1398898029;joecool;typical ohio resident https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2472256766/Picture_2.png
651819;1398898034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07230433 = 0.7953 BTC [-] {2} 
651820;1398898035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.03324094 = 0.6981 BTC [-] {4} 
651821;1398898067;asciilifeform;the way i understand it, high property values stopped being a proxy for 'nice place to live' sometime around when 'programmer' became a profession.
651822;1398898067;mircea_popescu;mike_c: there's a widget for calculating cum ROI across any timespan on there << I lolled. because cum ROI is lolzy.
651823;1398898080;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform now that's also a valid point.
651824;1398898129;mircea_popescu;mike_c: proof of concept: http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_ad.png (reload a few times for dynamicism) << dude that's fucken epic. wow. such wow.
651825;1398898133;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you see nthat shit ?!
651826;1398898137;BingoBoingo;http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/04/29/us_commando_mission_in_philippines_getting_overhaul
651827;1398898138;ozbot;U.S. Commando Mission in Philippines Getting Overhaul
651828;1398898170;kakobrekla;yes its amazing
651829;1398898170;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY!
651830;1398898192;mircea_popescu;me ♥ mike
651831;1398898244;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: next thing you'll be using emoji in chan
651832;1398898272;mircea_popescu;i'm a grown man, i'm not affraid to hug a pokemon
651833;1398898278;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03099908 = 0.217 BTC [+] {2} 
651834;1398898283;mircea_popescu;especially if it's a cute girl with nice tits.
651835;1398898283;asciilifeform;☭.
651836;1398898347;fluffypony;🇮🇹
651837;1398898356;ThickAsThieves;JorgePosada, but like, who are you?
651838;1398898365;asciilifeform;fluffypony: that came out a hex turd here.
651839;1398898380;fluffypony;asciilifeform: what a waste of an Italian flag
651840;1398898388;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: EVERYONE should start one and claim there's is the only TRUE one << start them in scotland, make every logics professor happy.
651841;1398898406;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I nearly said as much a few lines late;)
651842;1398898453;ThickAsThieves;JorgePasada*, but like, who are you?
651843;1398898473;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: Christian Papathanasiou is "widely considered a UK thought leader" << does this guy aspire to overtake Dr. Foreskin ?
651844;1398898487;JorgePasada;ThickAsThieves: I'm just some guy, who does things. :-)
651845;1398898492;mircea_popescu;what is with these fuckwits! it's like an entire new circle of strange broke last year, the "thoughht leaders"
651846;1398898516;JorgePasada;ThickAsThieves: benkay introduced me to this place, know him from meetups/trading locally
651847;1398898551;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: we should ALL become thought leaders...it could be the criteria for us each running our own One True UK Bitcoin Exchange
651848;1398898567;asciilifeform;shards of the true cross.
651849;1398898587;mircea_popescu;the20year: Not here at least it seems << dude you're becoming an exercise in squandered youth. shoulda gotten in the wot like you know, 6 months ago or w/e.
651850;1398898686;ThickAsThieves;word
651851;1398898693;ThickAsThieves;just making sure you arent some kinda crazy
651852;1398898716;mircea_popescu;fluffypony i'll just be a thought follower.
651853;1398898723;mircea_popescu;everyone wants to fucking push the rope.
651854;1398898751;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/ok-glass-how-much-do-you-really-cost/
651855;1398898761;ThickAsThieves;mp i think the20year is in the wot no?
651856;1398898766;ThickAsThieves;just no one will rate him?
651857;1398898769;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: I'm a poop leader, yo
651858;1398898800;mircea_popescu;so you're a fart ?
651859;1398898815;fluffypony;entreprefart
651860;1398898818;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> everyone wants to fucking push the rope. << It's how one shoots self with a Bow.
651861;1398898824;fluffypony;entreprefeurt
651862;1398898828;mircea_popescu;i guess so huh.
651863;1398898988;fluffypony;"They link to a google doc on their website (which is where I pointed you to on my previous post). It's an example of putting in effort on transparency."
651864;1398898991;fluffypony;I see
651865;1398898997;fluffypony;a Google Doc = transparency
651866;1398899036;mircea_popescu;first ever transparency.
651867;1398899103;fluffypony;HAH HAH
651868;1398899115;fluffypony;from _mr_e
651869;1398899116;fluffypony;"I still haven't gotten dick all, other then a lower share price and a huge missed opportunity on GoCoin, from seedcoin1. Fuck this."
651870;1398899451;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dude why all the ohio hate
651871;1398899464;mircea_popescu;one of the better cocksuckers i know used to live there pre-rescue.
651872;1398899558;mircea_popescu;punkman: "Amir Taaki is listed by Forbes as one of the top 30 entrepreneurs under 30 in 2014" << how the fuck's that kid an entrepreneur lol
651873;1398899561;mircea_popescu;thought leader, i can see.
651874;1398899579;fluffypony;assbot needs to be like"THOUGHT LEADER!"
651875;1398899587;fluffypony;every time someone says thought
651876;1398899607;joecool;mircea_popescu: bro he's been starting companies since before it was cool
651877;1398899637;mircea_popescu;fluffypony or leader.
651878;1398899643;mircea_popescu;joecool like which ?
651879;1398899656;mircea_popescu;polimedia was started 2007. got an amir reg from prior ?
651880;1398899662;BingoBoingo;Well... I've never found anything about the place pleasant. Doesn't preclude the occasional gem from coming out of there, but it's enough to judge the location.
651881;1398899663;fluffypony;mircea_popescu: agreed
651882;1398899664;joecool;mircea_popescu: no clue, they are all likely hard to remember names
651883;1398899670;fluffypony;someone pitch it to kako
651884;1398899673;mircea_popescu;aok
651885;1398899691;joecool;mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, the past decade or so, everyone sets up an LLC for something, and 99% of them fail or do nothing
651886;1398899697;joecool;it's the hipster way™
651887;1398899778;BingoBoingo;I mean Arkansas has a state park where the reason to go is diamonds, often of gem quality, literally lay on the ground. Yet people don't go flood Arkansas trying to get to that one attraction.
651888;1398899828;mircea_popescu;joecool that may be true, except, it's not his case.
651889;1398899840;mircea_popescu;my argument here is that he fails to meet even the lowest common denominator.
651890;1398899844;mircea_popescu;!up napedia
651891;1398899844;assbot;Voicing napedia for 30 minutes.
651892;1398899864;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0349989 = 0.105 BTC [+]
651893;1398899900;joecool;BingoBoingo: it involves effort and luck, some people do spent tons of time there
651894;1398899909;mircea_popescu;i think i probably formed more llcs than anyone in bitcoin has had sex partners, and probably in more jurisdictions than these folks have travelled.
651895;1398899913;mircea_popescu;nevertheless...
651896;1398899920;joecool;BingoBoingo: there was a woman that found the only perfect natural diamond ever recorded a few years back, she's likely still diggin away
651897;1398899932;mircea_popescu;the curse of success.
651898;1398899937;mircea_popescu;you end up trying to replicate it.
651899;1398899946;BingoBoingo;joecool: Sure some people spend tons of time there, but some people also buy groceries for sweepstakes entries.
651900;1398899954;fluffypony;bed time noa, night guys
651901;1398899993;mircea_popescu;this guy sleeps too much dioesn't he
651902;1398899995;mircea_popescu;every night, too.
651903;1398900016;BingoBoingo;Srsly
651904;1398900029;Naphex;well, better sleep then stay all night optimizing dumdum raid arrays with ssd's
651905;1398900037;BingoBoingo;Sleep all at once and get it over with
651906;1398900048;mircea_popescu;^
651907;1398900053;mircea_popescu;six hours should be enough for everyone.
651908;1398900060;mircea_popescu;http://37.media.tumblr.com/31e6bdedcfbe81dea88919d5c48162c9/tumblr_mxxmb6GLgJ1riu9eco1_500.png
651909;1398900065;mircea_popescu;that shit's epic.
651910;1398900139;Naphex;lol
651911;1398900154;Naphex;strlen for hashing functions
651912;1398900156;Naphex;thats the joke ;]
651913;1398900157;mircea_popescu;bounce:where was that piece about quantum-proofing bitcoin? it's apparently doable  << dude srsly. quantum proofing is not doable.
651914;1398900194;BingoBoingo;Eh, some of my best days have been 72 hours up followed by 18 hours down.
651915;1398900230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0315 = 0.1575 BTC [+]
651916;1398900290;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust jorash
651917;1398900290;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user jorash: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=jorash | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jorash | Rated since: never
651918;1398900327;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves tried to rate him, not in the database
651919;1398900350;mircea_popescu;yeah i c. as you perhaps guessed, i'm a log interpreter not compiler.
651920;1398900359;BingoBoingo;Ah
651921;1398900393;mircea_popescu;mike_c: outrageous viewpoints are more engaging! (see trilema) << what, the outrage is wholly user contributed.
651922;1398900429;BingoBoingo;https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/moral-police-your-checking-account-chase-bank-shuts-down-accounts-adult
651923;1398900429;mircea_popescu;my articles are fair and balanced
651924;1398900430;ozbot;The Morality Police in Your Checking Account: Chase Bank Shuts Down Accounts of Adult Entertainers |
651925;1398900529;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Looks like you are getting the first S.MPIF statement tonight so you can analytics.
651926;1398900535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 15 @ 0.00697997 = 0.1047 BTC [-]
651927;1398900552;mircea_popescu;mike_c actually i think the variations in hashing are great. -2/3 isn't too impressive, and every al;tcoin goes through this scenario.
651928;1398900558;mircea_popescu;atc is handling it way better than the average.
651929;1398900610;mircea_popescu;"profit is taken" is nonsense. the huge flood mines what, 50 blocks ? 500 ? what profit is there to be taken,
651930;1398900630;mircea_popescu;a single day on xtc there were like 30k blocks traded.
651931;1398900690;mike_c;BingoBoingo: ah, that's cool
651932;1398900702;mircea_popescu;so in short, i don't think it's a bad idea if thats how you want to spend your time, but i do think it doesn't do much either way.
651933;1398900781;mike_c;"every altcoin goes through this" << yes.. and most of them fail.
651934;1398900967;mircea_popescu;not for this reason.
651935;1398900975;mike_c;bitcoin's biggest drop ever was 18%
651936;1398900976;mircea_popescu;let the coin write its own history, what.
651937;1398900989;mircea_popescu;remember that "Resilience" is just another way of saying "not giving a shit".
651938;1398901012;mircea_popescu;i mean, this coiuld marghinally be an argument if there were like, merchants, doing txn, being disrupted. but the average txn per block is like... 0.8 or something
651939;1398901036;mircea_popescu;in other words, "woman, i know you love the kid, now let him crack his fucking skull open. we'll mend him afterwards, IF he manages."
651940;1398901167;mike_c;yeah.  i guess if there were a merchant trying to use ATC he'd probably be the only one worked up over it.  hey satoshijack, what you think?
651941;1398901261;mircea_popescu;afaik he mines lol.
651942;1398901275;mircea_popescu;but anyway, there's exactly one failure mode of a coin, and that is, no buy side.
651943;1398901278;mircea_popescu;%book
651944;1398901279;atcbot;35k@225 42k@222 12k@220 | 110k@195 2k@170 5k@156
651945;1398901288;mircea_popescu;doesn't look worrisome yet.
651946;1398901404;mike_c;re: cuban, you started the article basically saying he was clueless :)  i'm just a fanboy, so i was feeling defensive.
651947;1398901412;mircea_popescu;incidentally : bitcoin's constant dfif growth is a major driver of inflation (more coins / unit time than designed = inflation), and that acts as a price depressant.
651948;1398901461;mircea_popescu;mike_c indeed you were :p but i was saying he's an asshole, not clueless. which i do believe is what happened there, he started trying to be pr-asshole and ended up losing focus and just spilling.
651949;1398901532;JorgePasada;mircea_popescu: Yeah, bothers me when people say "Hoarding is bad" or "People need to use their coins instead of holding them" or "Speculators are ruining the market"
651950;1398901532;mike_c;it was some good quotes from the trial though.
651951;1398901548;mircea_popescu;mike_c definitely.
651952;1398901579;mircea_popescu;JorgePasada what do people know. they also say "abstinence only sex ed" and stuff.
651953;1398901601;JorgePasada;mircea_popescu: because what they're really saying is "I just want to be able to sell this thing for value without actually having a market to determine what that value is"
651954;1398901613;JorgePasada;all those things completely ignore the buy side of the equation
651955;1398901627;mircea_popescu;look, you've seen kids play ? all the kids aspire to be the kid that picks what game they all play.
651956;1398901633;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [+]
651957;1398901634;mircea_popescu;most kids don't get to. that's life.
651958;1398901649;mircea_popescu;same thing here, everyone with a keyboard figures he could be picking the music, why not.
651959;1398901665;JorgePasada;Buyers/speculators are essential to market health
651960;1398901694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03369997 = 0.2022 BTC [-] {3} 
651961;1398901695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [+]
651962;1398901696;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
651963;1398901699;mircea_popescu;my current thinking is that any approach to economy that's not agent-agnostic is nonsense.
651964;1398901736;mircea_popescu;fluffypony: is there a firm love for sha256 as an algo? << 512.
651965;1398901739;JorgePasada;agent agnostic in what sense?
651966;1398901793;JorgePasada;I think I get what you're saying but, clarity is always good
651967;1398901816;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.032 = 0.64 BTC [+]
651968;1398901884;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-99405 << this sense.
651969;1398901885;ozbot;A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
651970;1398901938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00097238 = 0.9238 BTC [-]
651971;1398901999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00097329 = 19.7091 BTC [+] {2} 
651972;1398902004;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron: has anyone in here ever floated the idea of bringing the WoT to twitter?  << i dun think i'd want that really. but maybe a gpg-based ircitter may be interesting.
651973;1398902129;JorgePasada;Following up to here
651974;1398902131;JorgePasada;It certainly isn’t wishful thinking, it’s rather fearful thinking,
651975;1398902131;JorgePasada;Amusingly, there’s no difference between these two :)
651976;1398902140;JorgePasada;Explain further on that comment
651977;1398902182;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0324 = 0.2592 BTC [+]
651978;1398902200;mircea_popescu;i have no investment in your emotional investment. consequently, whether you wish or fear is all the same to me.it's merely the amplitude that interests, not the direction.
651979;1398902231;mircea_popescu;"makes little difference to the tree which way the wind blows. all that matters is how strongly" sorta thing
651980;1398902261;JorgePasada;Yeah
651981;1398902306;JorgePasada;The guy who you're taking the excerpts from seems to miss (or be terrified of the fact) that all the questions he's asking and the points your making come back to one thing
651982;1398902312;JorgePasada;the subjectivity of value
651983;1398902336;mircea_popescu;more like the preminence of pattern over intent.
651984;1398902362;JorgePasada;and he's trying to wrap it up all nice and neat and objectify it into something that can be cold, cool and calculated and make him feel all safe and warm inside