538670;1393632022;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.004839 = 0.1887 BTC [+] 538671;1393632082;mircea_popescu;works on womenz too. 538672;1393632083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00484 = 0.3098 BTC [+] 538673;1393632084;mircea_popescu;if they're cats. 538674;1393632170;mircea_popescu;and of course, http://i.imgur.com/UaNm6fv.gif 538675;1393632175;moiety;relevant: http://i.imgur.com/Fhek8DO.png 538676;1393632191;moiety;awwww!!!! 538677;1393632205;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00484 = 0.5324 BTC [+] 538678;1393632228;moiety;this one is fighting back http://i.imgur.com/k1N13cY.gif 538679;1393632231;BingoBoingo;And it's March! 538680;1393632283;moiety;Happy March everyone, have some bear biscuits i made yesterday https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/p526x296/1939461_10200749700904440_715359882_n.jpg 538681;1393632388;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1190 @ 0.00484 = 5.7596 BTC [+] 538682;1393632403;moiety;its not march for you yet bingo! 538683;1393632414;jurov;nice 538684;1393632432;BingoBoingo;moiety: How are you to know I'm not traveling? 538685;1393632456;moiety;because if you were travelling to my timezone, you shouldve told me 538686;1393632463;moiety;girl logic. simples 538687;1393632491;BingoBoingo;moiety: What about the african, ocean, or antarctic parts of the timezone? 538688;1393632521;jurov;and what about moon timezone? 538689;1393632589;BingoBoingo;I guess Maybe the Moon is UTC as well, but there's no people there to ask. 538690;1393632617;kakobrekla;doges know about the moon timezone. 538691;1393632619;moiety;BingoBoingo: http://i.imgur.com/iWRYZI0.gif 538692;1393632657;moiety;mircea actually posted that hif ages ago, i saved it because it's my whole being in a gif sadly 538693;1393632712;moiety;but yeah, hadn't thought about the other bits of the timezone 538694;1393632715;nubbins`;bulldog clips, handy things 538695;1393632721;nubbins`;we have a clothesline full of 'em 538696;1393632727;moiety;as my cats are going to find out nubbins` ! 538697;1393632768;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Do doges do time well enough to have that concept? 538698;1393632791;nubbins`;you're going to clip your cats? :( 538699;1393632799;moiety;no im kidding 538700;1393632804;moiety;i couldnt find any clips 538701;1393632804;nubbins`;D; 538702;1393632807;nubbins`;GOOD 538703;1393632816;moiety;im kidding! 538704;1393632852;kakobrekla;well, the did manage to get fake astronauts suits, so gotta give them some credit. 538705;1393632877;moiety;btw, what was the name of r3wt's exchange? 538706;1393632901;BingoBoingo;moiety: Openex.pw 538707;1393632905;moiety;thanks 538708;1393632915;moiety;no ne has been daft enough to trade with him have they? 538709;1393632918;moiety;no one* 538710;1393632951;BingoBoingo;moiety: Well it was the only place to trade ATC on a website before Apocalyptic did his thing 538711;1393632995;jurov;$avg 538712;1393632996;mpexbot;jurov: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 538713;1393633012;jurov;;;ticker --market btcavg 538714;1393633013;gribble;BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 539.89, Best ask: 544.21, Bid-ask spread: 4.32000, Last trade: 540.75, 24 hour volume: 53682.53, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 567.22 538715;1393633040;jurov;*crosses fingers and uses this as input* 538716;1393633083;mircea_popescu;jurov don't do that. 538717;1393633086;mircea_popescu;wait for ann 538718;1393633100;jurov;ah mkay 538719;1393633132;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 538720;1393633137;gribble;MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 541.15, vol: 24838.25261283 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 531.2, vol: 12183.12848 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 542.25444, vol: 15293.33238379 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 568.5, vol: 81.45490132 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 551.660382, vol: 7295.14400000 | Volume-weighted last average: 540.723991296 538721;1393633154;BingoBoingo;Volume is still deficient in Zeros 538722;1393633222;moiety;we'll be seeing gox staplers and sellotape dispensers on ebay soon 538723;1393633223;*;nubbins` raises eyebrow 538724;1393633253;nubbins`;quick question, mpex signup fees are *not* distributed as mpoe dividends, correct? 538725;1393633262;jurov;they are 538726;1393633268;nubbins`;:o 538727;1393633284;nubbins`;SOMEBODY GIVE ME A FUCKING COMPUTER 538728;1393633306;jurov;;;slap nubbins` 538729;1393633307;*;gribble slaps nubbins` with a battered trout 538730;1393633346;BingoBoingo;;;lasers nubbins` 538731;1393633347;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 538732;1393633359;moiety;lol! i love gribble 538733;1393633568;kakobrekla;nubbins` how else would it have been a ponzi 538734;1393633577;nubbins`;good point 538735;1393633590;*;nubbins` signs up twice so as to get best value for money 538736;1393633608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66495 @ 0.00086856 = 57.7549 BTC [+] {8} 538737;1393633664;moiety;why does gox even still have a value for btcusd? 538738;1393633669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00087135 = 8.4521 BTC [+] 538739;1393633678;nubbins`;nostalgia 538740;1393633690;kakobrekla;cause servers are paid until the end of the month 538741;1393633776;mircea_popescu;^ 538742;1393633852;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11 = 0.22 BTC [-] 538743;1393633913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.10808001 = 0.5404 BTC [-] {2} 538744;1393633914;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.08264585 = 0.8265 BTC [+] {5} 538745;1393633974;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 538746;1393634036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08366666 = 0.251 BTC [+] {2} 538747;1393634081;nubbins`;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/10664372/RBS-has-lost-all-the-46bn-pumped-in-by-the-taxpayer.html 538748;1393634097;moiety;youre kidding 538749;1393634111;nubbins`;often, yes, but right now i'm just pasting links :D 538750;1393634153;moiety;lol sorry, just derping aloud 538751;1393634157;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 48 @ 0.00666667 = 0.32 BTC [+] 538752;1393634166;moiety;i wonder how they plan to buy natwest now then 538753;1393634244;moiety;santander were meant to but backed out. RBS picked up the tab but not for all branches. only some across scotland. now we have these stupid card readers and about 30 redirects to get to online banking 538754;1393634427;mircea_popescu;nubbins` was more like 100bn, and also is in log :D 538755;1393634445;nubbins`;i actually read it today, don't often click links tho ;( 538756;1393634479;nubbins`;but yah, #46bn is like 85-90bn cad 538757;1393634491;nubbins`;amazing 538758;1393634491;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 538759;1393634494;nubbins`;staggering, even 538760;1393634524;assbot; STAGGERING COMPANY! 538761;1393634597;nubbins`;roommates are spitting about how gross it is 538762;1393634617;kakobrekla;like the shit on the toilet from back in the day? 538763;1393634621;mircea_popescu;lmao 538764;1393634625;nubbins`;hahah 538765;1393634647;nubbins`;the shitter bought me a bag of potato chips and two cookies as an apology yesterday ;( 538766;1393634681;kakobrekla;did he say "i smeared it with that, you can now try it out yourself" 538767;1393634701;nubbins`;no details on the incident were released 538768;1393634741;moiety;aside from google image search, is there anything that i can search for a picture being wrongly used? 538769;1393634751;nubbins`;tineye 538770;1393634775;nubbins`;(canadian!) 538771;1393634782;moiety;oh thanks very much :D thats fab 538772;1393634879;nubbins`;so i dropped my rpm challenge CDs off today at the record store, and they gave me a coupon for 15% off my next purchase! 538773;1393634921;mircea_popescu;so i guess you need blanks then 538774;1393634940;nubbins`;i had to buy a spindle of cd-rs. felt really weird. 538775;1393634951;HeySteve;hmm, any news announcement yet? 538776;1393634983;nubbins`;not sure what i'm going to do with the other 48 of them 538777;1393635018;HeySteve;obamacare is using the doge meme. o tempora o mores! http://blogs.marketwatch.com/health-exchange/2014/02/26/hhs-borrows-doge-meme-to-sell-obamacare-and-elicits-a-few-groans/?mod=MW_home_latest_news&link=sfmw 538778;1393635066;nubbins`;o discordia! 538779;1393635068;moiety;no joy with tineye but i will keep checking, thank you nubbins` 538780;1393635104;asciilifeform;funfun - http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-cuba-russia-ship-20140227,0,7642471.story 538781;1393635183;moiety;asciilifeform! did you see the molten metal 3D printer robot? and the one that can print a house in 24 hours? 3D printers aren't as good as lasers but they are still cool. 538782;1393635211;asciilifeform;moiety: sintering machine? old news 538783;1393635218;asciilifeform;i think diametric has one 538784;1393635234;nubbins`;so after a quick google search led me to the wikipedia page about discordia, the story behind EFNet's name is suddenly funnier 538785;1393635238;asciilifeform;(or maybe not - you need inert gas) 538786;1393635252;Mats_cd03;.bait 538787;1393635254;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/cee51a34672b1b88c22de04ca3df30a6/tumblr_mes6ctZd4x1rrqd70o1_1280.jpg 538788;1393635255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 278 @ 0.00484 = 1.3455 BTC [+] 538789;1393635336;HeySteve;discordia is a dark tower thing isn't it? what's that to do with EFNet? 538790;1393635362;nubbins`;among other things, it is indeed mentioned in the dark tower 538791;1393635362;asciilifeform;moiety: sintering printer typically uses the same setup as laser cutter, with a bucket full of powdered Al or whichever metal where the bed would normally go 538792;1393635381;nubbins`;discordia is the latin name of the greek goddess eris 538793;1393635385;asciilifeform;you fuze a layer, then spread more powder, and so on, until the piece is complete 538794;1393635397;nubbins`;who was the goddess of strife, chaos, and discord 538795;1393635406;moiety;asciilifeform: i was just looking it up. the laarman prototype from earlier in feb? 538796;1393635434;moiety;http://youtu.be/NFF0QQIQDXE 538797;1393635434;ozbot;MX3D printing - YouTube 538798;1393635438;asciilifeform;moiety: the basic concept goes back to the '80s 538799;1393635451;asciilifeform;none of this is really new. 538800;1393635452;nubbins`;the lel being that EFNet (eris-free network) got its name after its predecessor network delinked a server called irc.eris. 538801;1393635454;moiety;jesus 80s? 538802;1393635459;nubbins`;because eris sucked so bad 538803;1393635469;nubbins`;and with a name like that, how could it not! 538804;1393635513;nubbins`;sorry, eris.berkeley.edu 538805;1393635516;nubbins`;either way 538806;1393635519;nubbins`;bit of a chuckle 538807;1393635529;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/ 538808;1393635529;asciilifeform;moiety: the machine pictured in the video is just a tig welder attached to xyz arm, it seems 538809;1393635529;ozbot;MPOE, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 538810;1393635531;mircea_popescu;and there it is. 538811;1393635544;nubbins`;wow. 538812;1393635550;nubbins`;such div 538813;1393635573;moiety;it just looks so cool asciilifeform ... it's all exciting to me still lol 538814;1393635586;mod6;O_O 538815;1393635685;Duffer1;PR, 2.875 :( 538816;1393635804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67520 @ 0.0008656 = 58.4453 BTC [-] {6} 538817;1393635808;nubbins`;:O just finished reading 538818;1393635825;*;nubbins` marks calendar 538819;1393635865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 183179 @ 0.00084112 = 154.0755 BTC [-] {18} 538820;1393635865;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.11 = 1.65 BTC [+] 538821;1393635876;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if mpex acct costs 30, how did 'from new accts' add up to 70? 538822;1393635878;Bugpowder;nice month! 538823;1393635884;asciilifeform;can i buy 1/3 of an acct? 538824;1393635890;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it can generate either 30 btc or 20 btc 538825;1393635898;mircea_popescu;depending on whether people use referrals or not 538826;1393635901;asciilifeform;ahaha 538827;1393635921;mircea_popescu;referral = each gets 5 rebate, the referrer and the referred. 538828;1393635926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29761 @ 0.00087236 = 25.9623 BTC [+] {3} 538829;1393635933;nubbins`;1/3 of account has SELL disabled, do not buy 538830;1393635962;asciilifeform;'instead of office chair, package contained bobcat. A++, would trade again' 538831;1393635970;nubbins`;heh 538832;1393635972;Bugpowder;well that's kinda annoying... Someone sold to 75000? 538833;1393635974;nubbins`;those things are expensive! 538834;1393635988;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00488995 = 2.445 BTC [+] 538835;1393636003;asciilifeform;nubbins`: http://xkcd.com/325 538836;1393636031;nubbins`;lel @ alt ;( 538837;1393636048;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 696 @ 0.0048934 = 3.4058 BTC [+] {3} 538838;1393636104;nubbins`;wait, it's friday, isn't it? 538839;1393636109;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1256 @ 0.00499775 = 6.2772 BTC [+] {5} 538840;1393636136;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/slum-landlords-pocketing-social-assistance-money-for-rent-1.2554226 538841;1393636136;ozbot;Slum landlords pocketing social assistance money for rent - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News 538842;1393636144;nubbins`;a slum landlord owns maybe half of the houses on my street 538843;1393636170;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.005 = 0.38 BTC [+] {4} 538844;1393636171;asciilifeform;nubbins`: wait - what are they supposed to pocket as rent ? 538845;1393636179;nubbins`;oh, you! 538846;1393636182;Duffer1;I mostly specify this as a parting fuck you broadside to the MtGox troop of idiots, who thought that perhaps if they re-do the original MtGox “hack” I may have trouble. It’s cute, I guess, in the sense of a bunch of ducks trying to work together to provoke waves that’ll sink a neighbouring battleship. 538847;1393636212;nubbins`;i once called this slumlord to inform him that i was getting the city to clean up the apartment's worth of possessions his workers dumped on the sidewalk, on his dime 538848;1393636229;nubbins`;halfway through the conversation he interrupts me with "what are you telling me for?", followed by a toilet flushing 538849;1393636241;nubbins`;had a good lel at that after i calmed down 538850;1393636272;asciilifeform;'If they're taking in taxpayer dollars to provide accommodations for their tenants, there should be some oversight especially by government as to what people are living in.' 538851;1393636282;asciilifeform;imagine if this actually happened 538852;1393636285;nubbins`;lel 538853;1393636300;nubbins`;well the next logical step would be oversight as to what the tenants spend their remaining money on 538854;1393636300;BingoBoingo;Wow, Bitcoin finally outgrew fiat exchanges 538855;1393636303;asciilifeform;(see the 'last psychiatrist' piece mp linked to the other day) 538856;1393636315;mircea_popescu;so basically the canadian government actually wants to run everything or what 538857;1393636316;nubbins`;and good luck with that 538858;1393636331;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo not without some trepidation. 538859;1393636348;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, the cbc wants that, but the government doesn't 538860;1393636354;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: This is so much more thrilling than last spring. 538861;1393636357;nubbins`;(incidentally, this is a provincial, not a federal, thing) 538862;1393636358;mircea_popescu;lol 538863;1393636363;mircea_popescu;it IS always the spring, isn't it. 538864;1393636365;*;nubbins` thinks 538865;1393636368;nubbins`;actually, no, it's not 538866;1393636383;nubbins`;anyway, there's no solution 538867;1393636391;copumpkin;omg lord master mircea_popescu has decreed that the price be $500 538868;1393636393;copumpkin;and it will be so 538869;1393636393;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: so dividend gets paid March 3? 538870;1393636402;mircea_popescu;yeah 538871;1393636409;mircea_popescu;copumpkin ;/ 538872;1393636412;mircea_popescu;what the fuck am i to do 538873;1393636414;nubbins`;so a house gets bedbugs. the landlord fumigates at great expense. the dirtbags infest the place again. repeat ad infinitum. 538874;1393636429;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Indeed. SHit happend in spring. Then calms during the summer when schoolkids have too much time, a bit of drama happens in the fall, there is a bit of winter buildup, then SPRING 538875;1393636430;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: I don't know! just commenting 538876;1393636434;mircea_popescu;at least mine's platonially solid. 538877;1393636441;*;copumpkin debates selling his MPOE shares 538878;1393636442;asciilifeform;nubbins`: 'zyklon-b' ? 538879;1393636447;mircea_popescu;platonically* 538880;1393636447;nubbins`;alternately: a house gets bedbugs. the tenants fumigate at great expense. the bedbugs come back from the house next door. repeat ad infinitum. 538881;1393636464;mircea_popescu;nubbins` is it expensive to fumigate ? 538882;1393636476;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0051 = 0.255 BTC [+] 538883;1393636482;nubbins`;well the problem is most of downtown is row houses, attached on both sides. generally fumigation doesn't do shit 538884;1393636488;BingoBoingo;Prolly expensive in Canada, but in canada everything is expensive. 538885;1393636504;nubbins`;BingoBoingo, everything but the drugs 538886;1393636504;mircea_popescu;(i've never fumigated anything. oddly enough, bedbugs etc do not exist in romania) 538887;1393636513;nubbins`;they didn't exist here either until the past couple years 538888;1393636522;nubbins`;this is a very recent thing 538889;1393636525;mircea_popescu;welfare helps all bugs and cockroaches across the board 538890;1393636529;mircea_popescu;not just the bipedal ones. 538891;1393636535;nubbins`;nod 538892;1393636537;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: would you mind flushing another deposit before my laptop battery dies? 538893;1393636542;asciilifeform;story goes that they were re-introduced from somewhere in mexico. 538894;1393636544;mircea_popescu;nope. 538895;1393636547;nubbins`;the other problem is that welfare tenants generally won't tell the landlord if the house is infested. 538896;1393636562;nubbins`;the only clues are a succession of stained mattresses and couches left on the sidewalk over a period of several weeks 538897;1393636566;mircea_popescu;nubbins` or anyone else anything else, for that matter. 538898;1393636573;nubbins`;nod 538899;1393636578;mircea_popescu;i vividly recall this discussion between a veterinarian and a inner city md 538900;1393636595;mircea_popescu;vet : "well, it's easier to be an md, at least your patients can tell you wtf is wrong" 538901;1393636597;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 44 @ 0.0055 = 0.242 BTC 538902;1393636603;asciilifeform;20th c. wants to come back! measles, polio... 538903;1393636604;mircea_popescu;md : "its much easier to be a vet. animals don't lie" 538904;1393636620;nubbins`;animals don't just want a prescription for ritalin 538905;1393636624;mircea_popescu;right. 538906;1393636632;nubbins`;people don't hide in cat carriers 538907;1393636651;nubbins`;i'd say it's about even 538908;1393636654;BingoBoingo;Dogs and crackheads both bite though 538909;1393636659;nubbins`;there ya go 538910;1393636662;nubbins`;common ground 538911;1393636669;mircea_popescu;you mean bitches 538912;1393636682;BingoBoingo;Nah, bitches behave 538913;1393636697;BingoBoingo;Ratchets on the other hand 538914;1393636697;mircea_popescu;is behave short for beaver shave ? 538915;1393636703;BingoBoingo;Ofc 538916;1393636709;BingoBoingo;ourse 538917;1393636714;nubbins`;heh 538918;1393636730;nubbins`;so loquacious ;p 538919;1393636750;mircea_popescu;o who wanted to be pinged when this is published 538920;1393636813;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/vince-li-s-new-freedoms-outrage-manitoba-mp-shelly-glover-1.2555600 538921;1393636814;ozbot;Vince Li's new freedoms outrage Manitoba MP Shelly Glover - Manitoba - CBC News 538922;1393636824;nubbins`;^ this guy cut a man's head off on a greyhound bus 538923;1393636852;Bugpowder;whoops.. Finally read to the bottom. 538924;1393636881;asciilifeform;related: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/02/18/norways_mass_murderer_brievik_threatens_hunger_strike_for_better_video_games.html 538925;1393636895;mircea_popescu;lol 538926;1393636897;mircea_popescu;jhahaha 538927;1393636900;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: HeySteve2 wanted the ping 538928;1393636907;mircea_popescu;a ty. 538929;1393636916;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i guess a guy's gotta have goals in life. 538930;1393636920;nubbins`;y'know, i feel like i'd enjoy nordic prison 538931;1393636920;mircea_popescu;did he want gta4 or what ? 538932;1393636940;nubbins`;burn down a church? here's a synthesizer! 538933;1393637024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.0007963 = 14.1741 BTC [-] 538934;1393637039;mircea_popescu;$vwap s.mpex 538935;1393637041;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 538936;1393637042;mircea_popescu;$vwap s.mpoe 538937;1393637043;HeySteve; ^ this guy cut a man's head off on a greyhound bus < I would be cranky too if I had to use public transport 538938;1393637043;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00086156 high: 0.00087256 low: 0.00075 volume: 1438116 btc: 1239.0294164 7 day: average: 0.00087156 high: 0.0008982 low: 0.00075 volume: 7049383 btc: 6143.97817607 30 day: average: 0.0008793 high: 0.00096 low: 0.00075 volume: 28915312 btc: 25425.2607003 538939;1393637058;nubbins`;had to? he coulda flown! 538940;1393637075;mircea_popescu;tbh, in some places public transport is a delight. 538941;1393637097;nubbins`;they tried to market the bus here as "your own 40 foot limo", to much derision 538942;1393637099;mircea_popescu;generally, large uni centers etc. 538943;1393637117;asciilifeform;'greyhound', for people on the other side of the ocean, is a 'tourist' bus, kitted out like an airplane 538944;1393637121;nubbins`;generally people don't have to wait in the cold for an hour to get a limo, though 538945;1393637123;asciilifeform;rather than an ordinary city bus 538946;1393637146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC 538947;1393637154;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i spent months going through the eastern us on greyhounds 538948;1393637158;mircea_popescu;it was very informative. 538949;1393637184;asciilifeform;most people here take the 'chinese' bus instead, these days 538950;1393637186;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rcd4Yfo0q0 538951;1393637186;ozbot;jonathan richman - you're crazy for taking the bus - YouTube 538952;1393637192;asciilifeform;exactly like 'greyhound' but costs 1/3. 538953;1393637193;nubbins`;^ relevant song, also very informative 538954;1393637199;moiety;nubbins`: bed bugs a) have nothing to do with the hygiene of a place and b) can hop to the house next door 538955;1393637212;nubbins`;moiety: that's where my fears come from, yep 538956;1393637227;moiety;can't** sorry 538957;1393637273;nubbins`;oh yes they can! 538958;1393637277;mircea_popescu;of course they can 538959;1393637286;moiety;not a building they cannot 538960;1393637292;mircea_popescu;and of course they have to do with the hygiene. what are oyu talking about ? 538961;1393637318;nubbins`;if you live in a city that looks like this, they most definitely can hop to the house next door: http://imgur.com/1SntHHD 538962;1393637328;moiety;http://insects.about.com/od/truebugs/a/10-Myths-About-Bed-Bugs.htm 538963;1393637336;moiety;they like fuckin blood not dirt 538964;1393637350;mircea_popescu;moiety this may be true, but they do have migration patterns. 538965;1393637359;mircea_popescu;they're not like blood seeking missiles their entire lives. 538966;1393637386;moiety;no i can't see them migrating like geese their way door-to-door down a street though 538967;1393637390;mircea_popescu;(and if they didn't migrate, you'd have difficulty explaining how the fuck they even exist in the americas in the first place) 538968;1393637394;nubbins`;who said door to door? 538969;1393637404;nubbins`;i share two walls with neighbours 538970;1393637414;moiety;sorry i thought thats what you meant when you said fromthe house next door 538971;1393637442;BingoBoingo;Honestly I am more concerned about ticks when I go outside than bedbugs invading my space. This stuff used generously at points of egress keeps all kinds of small undesirables out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatomaceous_earth 538972;1393637451;moiety;oh christ i didn't realise we were being literal as to entry points. i honestly don't think bedbugs use doors 538973;1393637453;nubbins`;you don't see ticks here 538974;1393637468;nubbins`;moiety, they're not tall enough to reach the handle, for starters 538975;1393637470;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Because you live in an icy wasteland 538976;1393637475;moiety;lololol 538977;1393637481;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: shush, it's only icy for like 7 months. 538978;1393637486;moiety;maybe they could work together 538979;1393637494;mircea_popescu;lmao bedbug tower 538980;1393637507;moiety;yes! like the sheep from wallace and gromit 538981;1393637517;mircea_popescu;spray with tit silicone, put on display 538982;1393637553;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/swiss-arms-classic-green-rifle-ban-to-be-reviewed-by-government-1.2555746 538983;1393637553;ozbot;Swiss Arms Classic Green rifle ban to be reviewed by government - Politics - CBC News 538984;1393637561;nubbins`;cbc is actually interesting today 538985;1393637566;BingoBoingo;I mean I don't trust bedbugs because they fuck by cesarean. Ticks though carry all kinds of nasty diseases and fumigating "The Great Outdoors" is difficult. 538986;1393637574;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] 538987;1393637596;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you know real men don't get lyme 538988;1393637598;mircea_popescu;(tm) 538989;1393637605;nubbins`;there are actually relatively few things that can kill you here 538990;1393637609;nubbins`;aside from, y'know, the elements. 538991;1393637614;moiety;http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/07/entertainment_shaun_the_sheep/img/1.jpg 538992;1393637622;moiety;like this ^ 538993;1393637634;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38550 @ 0.0008 = 30.84 BTC [+] 538994;1393637634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.10800003 = 0.216 BTC [-] 538995;1393637640;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: There's quite a few other nastier diseases than lyme. Lyme just gets the press because pseudo-medicine makes better news. 538996;1393637667;moiety;my house is to be assessed for something called Legionnaires apparently. 538997;1393637750;mircea_popescu;moiety take moar cold showers. 538998;1393637760;nubbins`;eeee, yipes 538999;1393637782;nubbins`;there were a few big legionnaires outbreaks in canada the past couple years 539000;1393637799;nubbins`;something like 2 dozen people in an old folks home died in 2012 i think 539001;1393637817;moiety;is it very bad? they have to assess rented flats every two years by law my letter says 539002;1393637825;bitcoinpete;howdy 539003;1393637850;moiety;hi pete :) 539004;1393637851;mircea_popescu;moiety it's not that bad. wear something loose. 539005;1393637874;bitcoinpete;It's incredibly late here in bruxelles but I thought I'd leave my latest von blooog post for your casual readying enjoyment. 539006;1393637882;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/patience-en-ville/ 539007;1393637884;ozbot;Patience En Ville | When Bitcoin Met Pete 539008;1393637896;bitcoinpete;I'm off to bed, then I'll be in the logs as usual. 539009;1393637906;bitcoinpete;Cheers and bon soir 539010;1393637910;moiety;my bathroom is very clean, i will say that 539011;1393637917;nubbins`;charlie's in the trees, pete's in the logs 539012;1393637976;mircea_popescu;an' teh poofs are in the pudding 539013;1393637996;nubbins`;there's a dick surgery song where it's discussed that the details are also in the pudding 539014;1393638000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00079865 = 31.7863 BTC [-] {3} 539015;1393638000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [+] 539016;1393638002;nubbins`;well. "song" is being generous 539017;1393638122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38009 @ 0.00077761 = 29.5562 BTC [-] {2} 539018;1393638159;moiety;BingoBoingo: i decided what to do with my btc domain. im making a scottish item shop. not giving up on my stamping plan though 539019;1393638175;BingoBoingo;moiety: Solid decision 539020;1393638206;moiety;you mean it? 539021;1393638348;BingoBoingo;moiety: Yeah, much better than a decision where you have to stamp every product and in the process look like Rosie the Riveter. Being Bitcoin's source for Scottish shit sounds like something worth trying. 539022;1393638427;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114260 @ 0.00075144 = 85.8595 BTC [-] {3} 539023;1393638429;moiety;lol actually... i hadnt thought of that.. "sorry your order is delayed.. i'm not very fit and i got tired making it" 539024;1393638506;nubbins`;canned haggis 539025;1393638514;MisterE;fuck that 539026;1393638517;moiety;ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww 539027;1393638541;MisterE;Shagging sheeps 539028;1393638561;MisterE;or is that a scouser thing? 539029;1393638616;nubbins`;somebody give me the elevator pitch on buttercoin.com 539030;1393638624;BingoBoingo;moiety: I though we touched on that problem when you presented the plan. Stamping metal with a hammer is tiring work 539031;1393638643;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Herpitty Derp derp 539032;1393638646;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i can;t believe it's not margerine. 539033;1393638695;nubbins`;ty, that works 539034;1393638700;moiety;i thought it be ok because they were small things BingoBoingo btw there is people opening a dog cafe and a cat cafe in london. edinburgh seems to have none..... 539035;1393638730;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: I can't find your key on my keyserver 539036;1393638742;copumpkin;I'm on a different computer and found I didn't have it in my list 539037;1393638748;copumpkin;keys.gnupg.net 539038;1393638751;copumpkin;which should I be searching for? 539039;1393638899;copumpkin;oh you have the key in the page 539040;1393638968;BingoBoingo;I'm rather surprised http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/ isn't getting more action yet as it focuses on the most important precedent this recent crimea lulz covers. 539041;1393639078;moiety;omg i have it all planned out, we could totally do a bar. bingoboingo barman, asciilifeform doing the laser lights, nubbins` sorting pest control, bugpowder green flourescent protein glowsticks, benkay on music and mircea dancing girls! 539042;1393639096;moiety;or not 539043;1393639131;nubbins`;as much as i'd like to move overseas to wield a can of raid 539044;1393639141;BingoBoingo;moiety: Honestly if you want to open a bar the best place to position your business in relation to me is one such that I am a customer. 539045;1393639159;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0837 = 0.2511 BTC [+] {2} 539046;1393639160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05150011 = 0.103 BTC [-] 539047;1393639161;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] 539048;1393639224;moiety;BingoBoingo: you're right, you can prop up the bar 539049;1393639240;moiety;or remove riff raff 539050;1393639251;BingoBoingo;I could do both. 539051;1393639268;mircea_popescu;copumpkin it's on my blog 539052;1393639272;copumpkin;yeah got it :) 539053;1393639290;moiety;ok, not paying you twice so will pay in alcohol 539054;1393639323;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo maybe people dunno wtf boogaloo is supposed to be 539055;1393639343;mircea_popescu; as much as i'd like to move overseas to wield a can of raid << lmao 539056;1393639360;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I though the Internet was strong enough people know electric boogaloo's are sequels. 539057;1393639375;mircea_popescu;your customer service sucs 539058;1393639382;mircea_popescu;and is arrgorant 539059;1393639424;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: I keep getting unrecognized signature even though I'm using the same key I used to sign up :( 539060;1393639437;copumpkin;says to email you my key but I did that long long ago :P 539061;1393639462;mircea_popescu;copumpkin did you ever re-email it as per teh verification last year / 539062;1393639463;mircea_popescu;? 539063;1393639465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11379998 BTC [+] 539064;1393639470;copumpkin;oh, no 539065;1393639473;copumpkin;I wasn't paying attention 539066;1393639476;copumpkin;that was a thing? 539067;1393639483;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Really the point of Ukraine as of now isn't the end political outcome, as far as that bet is concerned. It's determining how overtly "Black Ops" can happen in a white people country before commandos have to have affiliations, because Geneva protocols and conventions and such. 539068;1393639492;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: I guess you have no way to contact me or even any knowledge of me having an account :P 539069;1393639552;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCkT4K-hppE 539070;1393639552;ozbot;Beirut - Nantes - YouTube 539071;1393639559;mircea_popescu;copumpkin mpex may be the only entity in bitcoin which has gone two years without sending a single greatly informative and muchly important email blast. 539072;1393639564;copumpkin;:) 539073;1393639569;mircea_popescu;but anyway, lemme dig it for you. 539074;1393639572;copumpkin;only because you don't have my email! 539075;1393639574;copumpkin;:P 539076;1393639581;copumpkin;should I just email you the key again? 539077;1393639605;nubbins`;just email mine instead 539078;1393639605;copumpkin;(goes to show how active a user I am) 539079;1393639619;mircea_popescu;yeah. 539080;1393639631;copumpkin;nubbins`: lol 539081;1393639640;mircea_popescu;well technically you could extract some sort of email from gpg keys, but i never bothered to. 539082;1393639640;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: office@polimedia? that's where the old one went 539083;1393639643;mircea_popescu;yea 539084;1393639644;nubbins`;'cause, y'know, it'd work or something 539085;1393639644;BingoBoingo;OMG copumpkin is selling his S.MPOE, sell first!!! 539086;1393639653;copumpkin;BingoBoingo: nah, trying to remember how much I have 539087;1393639655;copumpkin;and I can't even run a STAT: P 539088;1393639745;mircea_popescu;lol 539089;1393639752;mircea_popescu;eleven bentlees 539090;1393639760;copumpkin;that'd be amusing 539091;1393639765;copumpkin;I don't think I can even afford one bentley though 539092;1393639772;nubbins`;bentleys are vulgar 539093;1393639786;mircea_popescu;o look, greene sueing mtgox 539094;1393639801;mircea_popescu;copumpkin anyone with s.mpoe stock should afford a bentley! 539095;1393639807;copumpkin;lol 539096;1393639812;copumpkin;I don't think I bought enough of it back then 539097;1393639859;mircea_popescu;copumpkin bentleys are divisible, so you should at least get a few bentloshis. 539098;1393639867;copumpkin;lol I hope so 539099;1393639881;moiety;LOL 539100;1393639912;copumpkin;but what keyserver can I find your keys on? 539101;1393639923;copumpkin;I want to encrypt my email to office but I can't find the key for it 539102;1393639924;mircea_popescu;i has no idea ? 539103;1393639924;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Still looking at the legal history of Illinois governors, being a n00b and being pissed about Gox because he was too good for warnings makes his Derping rather inconsequential in the history of embarassing things about Illinois 539104;1393639936;copumpkin;oh well 539105;1393639940;mircea_popescu;copumpkin http://trilema.com/pgp/ 539106;1393639954;mircea_popescu;it's impossible to keep track of keyservers and i kind-of gave up. 539107;1393639969;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the law firm is the key there. 539108;1393639979;mircea_popescu;they wanted to do the suit. it's clearly a zerocost thing. 539109;1393639990;copumpkin;okay, emailed and encrypted :D 539110;1393639996;nubbins`;best thing that ever happened to illinois was a sufjan stevens album 539111;1393639998;mircea_popescu;talking about how it's a "natural extension of their practice" and whatnot 539112;1393640013;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.599 BTC [-] 539113;1393640022;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: where would you say you fall on the political spectrum? 539114;1393640033;mircea_popescu;asshole. 539115;1393640036;copumpkin;lol 539116;1393640037;nubbins`;lel 539117;1393640050;copumpkin;so you want to be a politician 539118;1393640055;mircea_popescu;maybe vajina some days. 539119;1393640061;mircea_popescu;where do you fall ? 539120;1393640075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00509999 = 0.2805 BTC [-] 539121;1393640076;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Eh, if it isn't Cueto and Cueto it isn't an Illinois enough case 539122;1393640090;mircea_popescu;"So, we dont have to worry about Japanese laws and how they apply." 539123;1393640095;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: I'm firmly in the "don't be an asshole" camp :) 539124;1393640103;copumpkin;I'm sure that's a huge surprise to you 539125;1393640103;mircea_popescu;hallo we are 12 and don't need to worry about our asshole. 539126;1393640119;mircea_popescu;copumpkin lol 539127;1393640133;BingoBoingo;Lol, derpy n00bs http://www.edelson.com/jay-edelson/ 539128;1393640135;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 141 @ 0.0051 = 0.7191 BTC [+] {2} 539129;1393640151;mircea_popescu;obviously, as you'd imagine, my view is that the world is split among the assholes that admit it and the assholes that don't. 539130;1393640174;copumpkin;I actually don't entirely disagree 539131;1393640187;mircea_popescu;also asshole kinda looks like fasole, 539132;1393640190;mircea_popescu;which is romanian for beans 539133;1393640193;copumpkin;lol 539134;1393640201;mircea_popescu;which are empirically related 539135;1393640218;BingoBoingo;What is it with people trying to do anything in Illinois and not realizing you have to buy whatever jurisdiction you want to operate in, either outright or as a time-share 539136;1393640222;nubbins`;i made refried beans for the first time last week 539137;1393640231;nubbins`;i think i mentioned it at the time 539138;1393640249;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo maybe they has ? tbh the dumbledore lawyer guy sort-of evokes jackie chiles for me. 539139;1393640250;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: do you have some sort of defense against replay attacks on mpex btw? what if I send a "sell X" command and someone sniffs it and sends it again? 539140;1393640257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0051 = 0.51 BTC [+] 539141;1393640258;nubbins`;it's too bad they're called that in english, because it's kind of a rotten name for a food 539142;1393640258;mircea_popescu;copumpkin try it ? 539143;1393640274;copumpkin;all I get for now is "unrecognized signature" :) 539144;1393640283;mircea_popescu;nubbins` if that's your ocmplaint what about tossed salad ? 539145;1393640293;mircea_popescu;copumpkin clearly secure then :D 539146;1393640293;nubbins`;we call it garden salad here 539147;1393640295;mircea_popescu;but srsly, yes. 539148;1393640300;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: lol 539149;1393640321;nubbins`;as you can imagine, tossed salad brings jelly-covered anus to mind 539150;1393640361;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha omfg no fucking way 539151;1393640373;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i finally clicked your link. DO THESE ATTORNEYS EVEN LEAFT! 539152;1393640384;mircea_popescu;s/ATTORNEYS/ATTORNYES 539153;1393640394;nubbins`;ATTRNOYES 539154;1393640401;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: will I get some sort of confirmation when the key is accepted? 539155;1393640408;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: See, like the Groupons of the Illinois legal game 539156;1393640420;mircea_popescu;copumpkin yeah 539157;1393640425;copumpkin;cool 539158;1393640426;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: what's your opinion on the whole gox thing, think they'll get back up after a while? :P 539159;1393640433;*;copumpkin watches MPOE crash to 0.000000001 539160;1393640459;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo does that page look as broken to you as it does to me or is it just a case of "our designer made it look good in chrome" 539161;1393640489;mircea_popescu;Azelphur you can freely trade mtgox debt for bitcoinica debt on a 1:1 parity 539162;1393640496;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: keybase.io, does that look like something you'd use? 539163;1393640497;mircea_popescu;or any other parity your favourite rng suggests. 539164;1393640499;Azelphur;fun 539165;1393640515;Azelphur;so no, then xD 539166;1393640521;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: They used some javascript in the layout it seems. Works ok in the factory firefox install, not in the useful firefox install though 539167;1393640539;Azelphur;I was a plonker and bought gox debt 539168;1393640541;Azelphur;\o/ 539169;1393640542;mircea_popescu;copumpkin "Keybase will be a public directory of publicly auditable public keys. All paired, for convenience, with unique usernames." 539170;1393640543;mircea_popescu;explain ? 539171;1393640549;mircea_popescu;in like, nonretard english. 539172;1393640588;mircea_popescu;"I graduated cum laude with a degree in philosophy from Brandeis University and received my J.D. from the University of Michigan Law School" 539173;1393640598;copumpkin;as far as I can tell, their goals are: 1) provide a standard mechanism to link online accounts in a crpytographically secure way that doesn't require trust of their servers 2) make gpg more user-friendly 539174;1393640616;mircea_popescu;dude brandeis is where the mass governor's escorts go to school. 539175;1393640627;copumpkin;so they have a website that lets you link online profiles and a command-line tool that talks to the site and calls gpg 539176;1393640638;copumpkin;ultimately, they're mostly a fancier keyserver 539177;1393640644;mircea_popescu;i guess. 539178;1393640645;BingoBoingo;I know. People who care go to SIU. 539179;1393640659;copumpkin;Azelphur: pl0nk 539180;1393640665;mircea_popescu;copumpkin so why do i want to use them ? 539181;1393640665;Azelphur;yup 539182;1393640682;Azelphur;I'm 97 BTC deep in gox, bought at ~0.14 (so 15 BTC) 539183;1393640694;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: I dunno, they're pretty, and seem to provide some nice identity linkage stuff that seems handy. Otherwise, not much point :) 539184;1393640699;copumpkin;I like the service 539185;1393640713;copumpkin;mostly because I want more people to use gpg 539186;1393640726;mircea_popescu;so basically what, they scrape social media sites for snippets signed by x sig ? a la gribble except spammier ? 539187;1393640736;copumpkin;yeah, basically 539188;1393640744;mircea_popescu;i cant see any harm in it 539189;1393640745;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.0051 = 0.1683 BTC [+] 539190;1393640753;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't personally use it because i don't actually use any social media sites. 539191;1393640759;copumpkin;ah, fair enough :) 539192;1393640766;mircea_popescu;except i guess twitter but i don't really gas if x is y or not there 539193;1393640776;kakobrekla;goes to twitter to tell the world, "i dun use social meddia situes" 539194;1393640780;nubbins`;so how do you know who's going to trivia night on tuesday?! 539195;1393640786;nubbins`;talk to people? 539196;1393640791;nubbins`;DO YOU EVEN INTERNET 539197;1393640795;mircea_popescu;hardly. 539198;1393640800;mircea_popescu;i mostly pay people to internet for me. 539199;1393640806;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 539200;1393640808;mircea_popescu;which reminds me of the joke with the jooz. 539201;1393640809;nubbins`;ah, that's fair 539202;1393640830;copumpkin;I bet you're paying someone to type these messages right now, while someone else is giving you a rusty trombone 539203;1393640857;mircea_popescu;nah, that was earlier 539204;1393640863;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well Twitter's upside is that you can school someone in front of their internet friends and make their internet friends wonder why they associated in the first place. 539205;1393640896;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i mostly use it because it's full of derps of the "holier than thou" school of assholery. 539206;1393640897;mircea_popescu;i like those. 539207;1393640939;gesell1;BingoBoingo mircea_popescu I may go knock on Jay's door on monday 539208;1393640948;mircea_popescu;but anyway, one day when i'm rich i'll splurge and get myself a smartphone 539209;1393640954;copumpkin;lol 539210;1393640959;BingoBoingo;gesell1: Who the hell is Jay? 539211;1393640960;MisterE;fuck smartphones 539212;1393640961;mircea_popescu;and then the whole universe of social media sites will lay open before me 539213;1393640967;copumpkin;sounds awesome 539214;1393640967;MisterE;I'm in front of a computer enough 539215;1393640969;MisterE;I dont need one with me 539216;1393640970;BingoBoingo;Eh, I used to have smartphones. 539217;1393640971;copumpkin;I have a smartphone but I hate using it 539218;1393640976;mircea_popescu;gesell1 aite. 539219;1393640976;gesell1;BingoBoingo: the lawyer you linked too 539220;1393640979;copumpkin;iphone4, so slow it's too unpleasant to use 539221;1393640982;nubbins`;copumpkin: there's an easy solution there ;p 539222;1393640991;copumpkin;I made the mistake of installing ios7 539223;1393640996;mircea_popescu;gesell1 is he actually smart irl ? 539224;1393640997;copumpkin;and now it's unusably slow 539225;1393640997;MisterE;I look around me and everyone's face is buried in their phones I think its sad 539226;1393641006;copumpkin;so I just don't do anything on it 539227;1393641010;gesell1;mircea_popescu: i have no idea. does he need to be? 539228;1393641011;nubbins`;copumpkin, generally it's less of a good idea to update ios after new hardware comes out. 539229;1393641013;BingoBoingo;gesell1: Ah, that one. I just prefer the lower parts of the state. 539230;1393641013;copumpkin;except, err, make phone calls 539231;1393641018;mircea_popescu;MisterE ikr? at least they could have the decency to get the salmon colored models. 539232;1393641023;copumpkin;nubbins`: yeah yeah, but they don't let us downgrade, so oh well :) 539233;1393641026;nubbins`;:D 539234;1393641033;nubbins`;aren't you glad you bought in? 539235;1393641040;mircea_popescu;gesell1 yes, it usually helps if the lawyer putting together a cas is smart. 539236;1393641048;MisterE;my GF's iP 4 runs iOS 7 fine 539237;1393641067;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It is why I only use lawyers with Drive throughs. 539238;1393641080;copumpkin;MisterE: I hear it gets better with the latest 7.* update where you can disable effects 539239;1393641083;copumpkin;but mine is painfully slow 539240;1393641097;gesell1;well so i will find out monday 539241;1393641099;mircea_popescu;copumpkin can it boil an egg at least ? 539242;1393641104;MisterE;I dunno it's the GFs and I dont go there 539243;1393641106;copumpkin;nope :( 539244;1393641107;mircea_popescu;gesell1 be sure to report bacl :D 539245;1393641113;MisterE;last thing I want is to support her phone 539246;1393641122;gesell1;is there a problem if I pursue mtgox from 3 different lawyers at once? 539247;1393641123;kakobrekla;but you are supporting here 539248;1393641125;kakobrekla;her* 539249;1393641134;MisterE;lol you're suing Gox? 539250;1393641134;kakobrekla;and so apple. 539251;1393641142;MisterE;talk abotu throwing good money after bad 539252;1393641145;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i blame ever for the apple. 539253;1393641159;mircea_popescu;MisterE i'd be much surprised if the lawyer charges anything. 539254;1393641165;gesell1;MisterE: no im just in the initial stages of contacting each and every collective that is gathering to sue 539255;1393641169;MisterE;pro bono? 539256;1393641170;kakobrekla;i would not even consider iphone using female fyi. 539257;1393641170;mircea_popescu;he's in it for positioning, which is strategically sound 539258;1393641182;mircea_popescu;MisterE no, just 99.9x% of any eventual proceeds. 539259;1393641200;mircea_popescu;gesell1 how much did you manage to donate via gox ? 539260;1393641202;MisterE;oh, I doubt there will be anything of value left for creditors 539261;1393641213;MisterE;but if there is you can be sure lawyers will get theirs 539262;1393641230;MisterE;donate lol 539263;1393641238;gesell1;mircea_popescu: over 100btc 539264;1393641244;kakobrekla;you gonna lose more coins suing than gain 539265;1393641247;MisterE;ouch 539266;1393641283;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Around here most lawyers handling those sorts of complaints work on contingency, so they only get paid if they win 539267;1393641291;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla the way the legal profession works in the us is that sometimes lawyers take cases for free, when they figure the bread is buttered on the other side. 539268;1393641329;kakobrekla;yeah but paid from where 539269;1393641332;kakobrekla;with what 539270;1393641335;kakobrekla;from who 539271;1393641340;nubbins`;from the booty 539272;1393641351;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Asbestos companies usually 539273;1393641356;nubbins`;sort of like a mortgage advisor 539274;1393641363;nubbins`;they work for "free" 539275;1393641371;nubbins`;where free = a portion of your mortgage 539276;1393641377;kakobrekla;the only way out of here is bernankecoin the way i see it. 539277;1393641407;gesell1;pitty, i could find no bernankecoin 539278;1393641417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 443 @ 0.0055 = 2.4365 BTC 539279;1393641424;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla the lawyer wants bitcoin fame. that's free to him, as he has no cases anyway. 539280;1393641441;mircea_popescu;a noob lawyer with a shitty jd and no connection is basically equally qualified as a plumber. 539281;1393641453;kakobrekla;so they are not really getting paid as you said but whoreing out 539282;1393641454;mircea_popescu;and if he actually manages to get some dough from tibanne, all the better. 539283;1393641454;nubbins`;gesell1, it's called bernankoin i think 539284;1393641458;nubbins`;;;google bernankoin 539285;1393641458;gribble;[ANN] Bernankoin the Coin Not Evil according to Paul Krugman DL ...: ; Bernankoin Printer - The Bitcoin Master: ; Please add Bernankoin - BEK : Tickets - Cryptsy.com Forums: 539286;1393641461;mircea_popescu;not like his "clients" will see any of it. 539287;1393641480;mircea_popescu;judging by the school he went to, he's being supported by either generous parents or generous husband. 539288;1393641487;mircea_popescu;so it all makes sense. 539289;1393641549;BingoBoingo;I dunno of any person in Illinois who while certified as a plummer and holding a JD would pratice law over practicing plumbing 539290;1393641551;gesell1;mircea_popescu: at the moment there appears to be only a few places to go. or only a few lawyers persuing the issue 539291;1393641570;BingoBoingo;Plumbing just pays better than law 539292;1393641572;mircea_popescu;gesell1 i wasn't saying you sohu;dn't, by any means 539293;1393641578;mircea_popescu;just explaining how the thing works. 539294;1393641621;mircea_popescu;anyway : their top claim to fame is that they settled an amazon cas for ~150k 539295;1393641624;mircea_popescu;which went to charity. 539296;1393641638;mircea_popescu;bush league does not begin to describe. 539297;1393641665;KRS-One;I have a friend who is a roofer who makes as much as an attorney and then some. 539298;1393641675;nubbins`;skilled trades, man 539299;1393641678;KRS-One;he does the easy shit and runs a crew 539300;1393641679;mircea_popescu;(they also represented the Blagojevich dood. also for free, also to no particular effect) 539301;1393641679;BingoBoingo;I really don't understand the point of retaining an unconnected lawyer 539302;1393641684;nubbins`;that said, his body will be wrecked by the time he's 45 539303;1393641696;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you know blag ? 539304;1393641698;nubbins`;and he'll be taking orders from a guy ten years his junior 539305;1393641700;moiety;is it just me or does that lawyer dude look a wee bit like simon cowel? 539306;1393641705;gesell1;i assumed/hoped that the class action litigation that gets the most attention from the community will wind up with the most resources to devote to getting possible results 539307;1393641712;KRS-One;nubbins` you aint kiddin..except he's the business owner 539308;1393641727;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm the other end of the state. 539309;1393641744;BingoBoingo;The feudalism end 539310;1393641745;KRS-One;he is real dumb and needs me to get a roofing license (take exams and shit) said I can make $100K/yr without doing a thing just holding the license. 539311;1393641745;mircea_popescu;gesell1 i think you grossly misrepresent the substance of the sort of clueless idiots that still; had btc on gox. 539312;1393641752;mircea_popescu;it's hardly a community and it definitely has no resources. 539313;1393641761;nubbins`;KRS-One, might as well. 539314;1393641802;KRS-One;i have to speak to an attorney to see what kind of liability it opens me up to..supposedly i can do it with no risk or liability. 539315;1393641817;gesell1;mircea_popescu: there were $40m worth of BTC waiting on Gox on one reddit comment thread alone. that could create resources 539316;1393641839;mircea_popescu;money you don't have does not create resources, no. 539317;1393641859;KRS-One;nubbins`: he has been using his dad's general contractor's license but his dad is real old now and wont be doing it much longer 539318;1393641865;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: In the US the only thing you can acquire with a license is risk and liability 539319;1393641867;KRS-One;so bam this might be nice coin 539320;1393641883;KRS-One;BingoBoingo: i know I am skeptical 539321;1393641910;mircea_popescu;Since weve been sitting here on the phone, Ive seen three emails come in. 539322;1393641914;mircea_popescu;ahahah how epic is that. 539323;1393641926;KRS-One;it nice to know a roofer..i got a new roof put on my house for real cheap, just labor and materials. 539324;1393641945;moiety;this is why its good to know a mechanic too 539325;1393641946;KRS-One;took forever to get him to do it tho 539326;1393641968;KRS-One;moiety: yep. marine and diesel mechanics make most i think 539327;1393641977;KRS-One;i was stupid. i went to college. 539328;1393642001;nubbins`;i had my roof redone last summer 539329;1393642007;nubbins`;wait, no, summer before 539330;1393642013;nubbins`;fucking mansard roofs 539331;1393642015;nubbins`;$$$$ 539332;1393642033;BingoBoingo;Well, the boring olf gasoline car mechanic that fixed the mess I made trying to fix that saturn made decent money for his time. 539333;1393642037;nubbins`;"know what'd be a good idea? if none of this shit was right angles" 539334;1393642048;moiety;i think my roof might fall off. i saw slates outside on the ground 539335;1393642070;mircea_popescu;moiety maybe your roof buries some pets 539336;1393642093;BingoBoingo;moiety: You and your fancy european roofs. Here shingles are made out of asphalt and cat litter 539337;1393642110;moiety;lolololol 539338;1393642113;mircea_popescu;my shingles are made of detcord and baby tears. 539339;1393642150;BingoBoingo;lol 539340;1393642174;moiety;I'm scared to see your homes.... 539341;1393642199;BingoBoingo;detsord would never work with the weather here. 539342;1393642236;nubbins`;my home is quaint, but only because of the lack of detcord and kitty litter 539343;1393642251;moiety;did you guys see the £150 house that gets rented out for milk? 539344;1393642291;BingoBoingo;No, but I've considered buying a block of $200 houses in detroit and starting a farm 539345;1393642295;mircea_popescu;moiety breast milk ? 539346;1393642315;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well detcord would make your house move somewhere else then 539347;1393642322;KRS-One;mircea_popescu: depending on the roof, the shingles arent what keeps the water out. main protection for a roof comes from the tar paper that covers the wood. shingles only keep the sun from runing the tar paper. 539348;1393642347;KRS-One;if it werent for the sun and other things you dont even need shingles. 539349;1393642350;mircea_popescu;KRS-One that may be generallky true, but i come from transylvania, which invented wood shingle roofing. 539350;1393642353;mircea_popescu;allow me to show you : 539351;1393642353;moiety;mircea_popescu: it doesn't specify....... 539352;1393642357;moiety;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2513154/Farmer-builds-house-just-150-using-materials-skips--current-tenant-pays-rent-MILK.html 539353;1393642362;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: Most of the world operates on the assumption shingles move the water 539354;1393642375;KRS-One;thats what i have, wood shingle..cedar. Its one of the best you can get. 539355;1393642380;KRS-One;BingoBoingo yep 539356;1393642386;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: you'd need to truck in soil 539357;1393642388;mircea_popescu;http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biserica_de_lemn_din_Cizer 539358;1393642389;ozbot;Biserica de lemn din Cizer - Wikipedia 539359;1393642392;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-] 539360;1393642401;mircea_popescu;230 year old, that thing. all wood. no metal. 539361;1393642406;KRS-One;the BEST ROOF: flat deck (gravel) 539362;1393642420;KRS-One;wow nice 539363;1393642431;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Or to many other places. The most recent local tornado didn't come within a mile, but other weird wind anamolies still had things impacting the roof in interestng ways 539364;1393642434;KRS-One;thats really neat to have history behind your home. 539365;1393642453;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] 539366;1393642461;nubbins`;the top of my roof is tar pitch 539367;1393642466;nubbins`;sides are shingled 539368;1393642472;KRS-One;i dont know what tar pitch is 539369;1393642474;KRS-One;hnn 539370;1393642498;BingoBoingo;Maybe I should get the next roof done in pitchblend!!! 539371;1393642515;nubbins`;they use a flamethrower to melt coal tar all over it 539372;1393642525;moiety;mircea_popescu: that's so cute. it just needs broadband and its perfect! 539373;1393642527;KRS-One;ah yes flatdek? 539374;1393642533;KRS-One;flat deck 539375;1393642533;nubbins`;sandwiched with layers of tar paper 539376;1393642563;nubbins`;prolly the same thing you're thinking of 539377;1393642568;KRS-One;thats the best type of roof to have..many commercial buildings have that 539378;1393642574;nubbins`;self-healing 539379;1393642577;KRS-One;yea 539380;1393642584;nubbins`;as long as you have any amount of summer 539381;1393642594;KRS-One;i've heard horror stories where roofers fell off and into the hot kettle of tar 539382;1393642622;nubbins`;popular for the row houses here, most of which have flat roofs 539383;1393642680;KRS-One;a popular one here in Florida are concrete shingle..i did some roofing when i was younger..talk about hard work. 539384;1393642706;nubbins`;looks nice tho 539385;1393642713;KRS-One;gets so hot on the roof tops you can get burned by just picking up your hammer on the metal side 539386;1393642746;KRS-One;you have to be a tough bastard to work in roofing year round..i think doing concrete work was actually easier. 539387;1393642755;KRS-One;i did both for a while..they both sucked. 539388;1393642788;KRS-One;those jobs were my main motivator for going to college. 539389;1393642819;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 455 @ 0.0055 = 2.5025 BTC 539390;1393642998;nubbins`;re: russian cargo planes landing in crimea 539391;1393643001;nubbins`;"Astakhov said the people in the planes refused to identify themselves and waved off customs officials, saying they didn't require their services." 539392;1393643024;mircea_popescu;they sound exactly like bitcoin people. 539393;1393643120;mircea_popescu;also, this shit's pretty epic: 539394;1393643121;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/10/you_are_the_98.html 539395;1393643122;ozbot;The Last Psychiatrist: You Are The 98% 539396;1393643134;mircea_popescu;this chick should be in my harem already. 539397;1393643164;mircea_popescu;"We need a third party!" Come on, do you think the media will allow you to have a third party? John Anderson, Ross Perot, Ralph Nader-- they let them through to "show" third party candidates aren't any more serious than Howard Stern when he ran for governor. Poor Ron Paul pulls in more people than porn but he can't get a break, sorry buddy, 100 years too late for your kind. There's a difference between what you ne 539398;1393643165;mircea_popescu;ed and what you want, and the media will always, relentlessly give you what you want. Do you know why you have such poor candidates every single election? Because you want them, you want someone you can easily judge for some sexual indiscretion or because they called latinos chicanos. "Well, that matters to us!" Then you got what you asked for. 539399;1393643203;mircea_popescu; logtest 539400;1393643371;nubbins`;yeah, read that 539401;1393643376;nubbins`;depressing more than anything 539402;1393643433;mircea_popescu;i dun live there, so to me it's mostly funny 539403;1393643457;nubbins`;it's funny to you because you're rich ;D 539404;1393643469;mircea_popescu;and an asshole. 539405;1393643487;nubbins`;you don't think the people shouting over each other at general assemblies were assholes?! 539406;1393643512;mircea_popescu;no. assholes are never idiots, 539407;1393643521;mircea_popescu;and idiots aren't really assholes, they're just idiots. 539408;1393643523;KRS-One;not at all 539409;1393643529;mircea_popescu;like you know, a rock falling down a cliff isn't a car. 539410;1393643555;mircea_popescu;even if it does move. 539411;1393643575;kakobrekla;dam kids breaking the logs again 539412;1393643581;nubbins`;what next, my lips and anus aren't a hot dog? 539413;1393643633;mircea_popescu;i wonder if hot chick lips and anus hot-dogs are a delicacy in china. 539414;1393643643;mircea_popescu;i suppose throw in the vulva too. 539415;1393643658;decimation;mircea - these guys appear to be curating btc exchange data http://www.netagio.com/market-data 539416;1393643665;mircea_popescu;"guaranteed 13 to 19yo" 539417;1393643666;nubbins`;well, ya need a bit of salt 539418;1393643684;mircea_popescu;decimation you know who runs it / 539419;1393643703;BingoBoingo;Eh, seriously Russia being in Crimea is not interesting at all. The only interesting point is how long they can go without commiting regular forces to the endeavor. 539420;1393643711;nubbins`;anecdote: a friend was approached by a young (~13yo) girl asking for a cigarette. friend says "you're too young to smoke" 539421;1393643718;nubbins`;girl says "lick my salty piss-flaps" 539422;1393643720;mircea_popescu;decimation pounds and euro ? i already got a euro future and what are these pounds 539423;1393643721;decimation;yeah http://www.goldmoney.com/company/press-releases/goldmoney-group-launches-new-bitcoin-focused-company-in-the-uk 539424;1393643730;decimation;it's the goldmoney guy 539425;1393643734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00078944 = 19.3413 BTC [+] {2} 539426;1393643737;decimation;he's seen the future and he wants in on bitcoin 539427;1393643748;mircea_popescu;decimation do you knw him ? 539428;1393643758;decimation;no I'm just an interested bystander 539429;1393643773;mircea_popescu;well unless he somehow finds his way here... 539430;1393643778;BingoBoingo;Eh, when people too young ask me for cigarettes I usually tell them I have cancer and ask them if they really want a cigarette. 539431;1393643801;mircea_popescu;nubbins` the obvious response was to offer the whole pack for a bj 539432;1393643838;BingoBoingo;Anymore a bj is cheaper than a pack of smokes 539433;1393643855;decimation;I suspect this guy is involved somehow, he is associated with goldmoney http://jamesturkblog.blogspot.com/ 539434;1393643885;mircea_popescu;i kind-of wonder how long reddit will take to digest teh latest mpoe release. 539435;1393643892;mircea_popescu;my money's kind-of on "never" tbh. 539436;1393643921;mircea_popescu;o, james turk, goldbug guy. makes sense. 539437;1393643957;decimation;yeah he's a hardcore goldbug and tries to cash in on that audience 539438;1393643969;decimation;but he also appears to be interested in bitcoin 539439;1393644018;mircea_popescu;well... maybe one day he gets here. 539440;1393644040;mircea_popescu;im still looking for someone to run a delivered gold future. 539441;1393644096;decimation;yeah it seems that this netagio is a spinoff of some kind. I'm surprised that he or his staff hasn't contacted you 539442;1393644116;decimation;I think they are building a good foundation before going big, unlike some out there... 539443;1393644135;mircea_popescu;on a lark i'd venture a guess that <1% of irl businesses have a truely global internet listening program going. 539444;1393644144;mircea_popescu;it'd be certainly within what they can afford, financially 539445;1393644150;mircea_popescu;sadly, it's not within what they can afford intellectually. 539446;1393644162;decimation;Oh no, they spend $$$ on facebook monitors 539447;1393644165;mircea_popescu;and so it goes, lots of deaf and blind 539448;1393644171;decimation;but that's not listening to anything... 539449;1393644180;mircea_popescu;decimation i suppose it's like with everything else, blow the website budget on css. 539450;1393644257;mircea_popescu;incidentally i suppose you've stumbled on a perfectly valid business model, the translators among WoTs will be tomorrow's lawyers. 539451;1393644263;mircea_popescu;definitely as obscenely well paid. 539452;1393644328;decimation;well, each big corp has a WoT that generally consists of the CEO's drinking buddies 539453;1393644341;decimation;it's surprising that the internet hasn't linked those WoTs... 539454;1393644354;BingoBoingo;Bonus, it pisses off the liberal arts majors because they can only translate wrong languages 539455;1393644355;mircea_popescu;it is. 539456;1393644358;mircea_popescu;huge market there. 539457;1393644378;mircea_popescu;in point of fact, most of the power women have in western society comes strictly from that bridging role. 539458;1393644391;mircea_popescu;it's not the unshaven idiots blathering on tv about "Rights" and other stuff that do anything. 539459;1393644398;mircea_popescu;it's the sluts that fuck different ceos. 539460;1393644409;mircea_popescu;that's 99% of female power. 539461;1393644430;decimation;it shows up as a virtue as well 539462;1393644436;mircea_popescu;well it is a virtue. 539463;1393644449;decimation;most effective female 'leaders' I have seen are school-marm types who know how to connect the right people and step away 539464;1393644467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.10100053 = 0.202 BTC [-] 539465;1393644508;mircea_popescu;but about 1bn dollars spent on "women in tech"-esque programs dedicated to highschooler girls would return about the same net value for the cause as about 600k spent on "fuck as many powerful people as you possibly can take, as well as you possibly can, starting today." programs for the same. 539466;1393644564;mircea_popescu;and one of the best indications that this is actually the correct approach would be that the impotent-by-design feminist movement will readily recognise it as the ultimate evil. 539467;1393644567;moiety;you make it sound like you cant do anything as a girl without opening your legs :( 539468;1393644573;decimation;well, you can call them "finishing schools", like they used to have 539469;1393644579;mircea_popescu;moiety you can do plenty of things that ultimately won't matter. 539470;1393644603;asciilifeform;re: keybase.io - this was the idiocy that wants your private keys 539471;1393644615;asciilifeform;'use gpg online!1!1' 539472;1393644622;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not in copumpkin's retelling. i was giving him space to see if he mentiones it. 539473;1393644630;asciilifeform;hah 539474;1393644636;decimation;maybe you can host your key in a vps with a web login 539475;1393644639;mircea_popescu;i'm like... you know, a slut. i give people space :) 539476;1393644684;decimation;I think this has been linked before: http://pando.com/2014/01/23/the-techtopus-how-silicon-valleys-most-celebrated-ceos-conspired-to-drive-down-100000-tech-engineers-wages/ 539477;1393644692;moiety;not much point in trying anything if it ultimately doesn't matter 539478;1393644698;decimation;it's an example of a real-life WoT between silicon valley CEOs 539479;1393644707;mircea_popescu;moiety maybe you enjoy it ? 539480;1393644745;decimation;"Bill Campbell (Chairman of Intuit Board of Directors, Co-Lead Director of Apple, and advisor to Google) was also involved in the Google-Intel agreement, as reflected in an email exchange from 2006 in which Bill Campbell agreed with Jonathan Rosenberg (Google Advisor to the Office of CEO and former Senior Vice President of Product Management) that Google should call [Intel CEO] Paul Otellini before making an offer to an Intel employee, 539481;1393644747;decimation;regardless of whether the Intel employee first approached Google." 539482;1393644748;asciilifeform;'wage theft' ? 539483;1393644773;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 539484;1393644774;decimation;shockingly thousands of beta engineers are willing to accept what they are given 539485;1393644790;mircea_popescu;the irony here being that an industry;s stability can be best measured by the wot divergence (well really, by wot graph isolation) 539486;1393644803;mircea_popescu;once gaps get bridged "industry best practices" develop, 539487;1393644813;mircea_popescu;and the thing is going down in flames faster than people can ditch it. 539488;1393644832;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05130001 = 0.2565 BTC [-] {4} 539489;1393644833;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.08330021 = 0.4165 BTC [+] {4} 539490;1393644834;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-] {3} 539491;1393644838;decimation;of course the leftists are having a fit because this particular WoT ignores thier votes 539492;1393644846;mircea_popescu;of course. 539493;1393644849;mircea_popescu;wots aren't votes. 539494;1393644864;mircea_popescu;in fact, wots are not only different from votes, but really much better 539495;1393644867;mircea_popescu;w is v v2. 539496;1393644883;nubbins`; not much point in trying anything if it ultimately doesn't matter <<< "No, Donny, these men are nihilists. There's nothing to be afraid of." 539497;1393644890;mircea_popescu;talk about bitcoin-mediated disruption of the electroal system 539498;1393644893;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] 539499;1393644905;asciilifeform;http://pando.com/2014/02/24/knightscopes-new-robotic-law-enforcer-is-like-staring-at-the-demise-of-humanity/ 539500;1393644906;ozbot;Knightscope’s new robotic law enforcer is like staring at the demise of humanity | PandoDaily 539501;1393644970;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/LDMRgLX etc 539502;1393644971;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 539503;1393645011;decimation;Oh, I was hoping someone was going to make a real RoboCop 539504;1393645015;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00521999 = 0.1044 BTC [+] 539505;1393645018;decimation;not some lameass webcam 539506;1393645076;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59999998 BTC [+] 539507;1393645077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0844999 = 0.169 BTC [+] 539508;1393645091;mircea_popescu;"work in pairs to protect each other" 539509;1393645095;mircea_popescu;now how does this work ? 539510;1393645129;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In a twist confounding most authors of robot oppressor scifi the boards with critical operational components in the bots are varied from unit to unit. 539511;1393645145;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if the builder had half a brain, it's a countermeasure re: gps 'meaconing' 539512;1393645183;asciilifeform;link 2 bots via spread-spectrum whatever, if one thinks he suddenly 'flew' somewhere, and the other says 'no' 539513;1393645191;mircea_popescu;i can't begin to imagine how they figure this thing has a fucking chance. 539514;1393645211;asciilifeform;surveillance camera on wheels, with megaphone for shouting orders, what's not to like 539515;1393645212;decimation;yeah they are going to end up in a chop shop in the ghetto within 10 minutes of operation 539516;1393645213;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Remember the Russia-Georgia conflict... GPS can go dark 539517;1393645232;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: gps can and does go dark at your nearest truck stop 539518;1393645238;asciilifeform;;;google gps jammer 539519;1393645239;gribble;GPS jammer - Cell Phone Jammers: ; Wholesales GPS Jammer - GPS Jamming - GPS Signal Jammer: ; GPS Jammer Signal Jammer Blocker - YouTube: 539520;1393645246;asciilifeform;;google meaconing 539521;1393645251;asciilifeform;;;google meaconing 539522;1393645251;gribble;Meaconing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; CHAPTER 4 (FM 24-33): ; meaconing - definition of meaconing by the Free Online Dictionary ...: 539523;1393645309;decimation;http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htecm/articles/20130820.aspx 539524;1393645310;ozbot;Electronic Weapons: Making The World Unsafe For GPS Jammers 539525;1393645311;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform more's the point... they can't make supermarket carts with working wheels 539526;1393645321;nubbins`;Crime has a $1 trillion impact on the American economy, according to Santana Li. “If we can show that we can literally cut that in half, we’re going to have every mayor in the country calling us,” he says. 539527;1393645325;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: All reasons why civ security bots will bow down to people with compasses, maps, and lasers 539528;1393645326;mircea_popescu;andthey're going to somehow make a 100kg self moving robot 539529;1393645326;nubbins`;soooo, it's equipped with a sword? 539530;1393645330;mircea_popescu;what the fuck happens if it steps in gum 539531;1393645344;nubbins`;it starts shooting, obv 539532;1393645356;mircea_popescu;orly ? 539533;1393645369;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it steps in gum << $100/hr public servant with wheelbarrow sent to fetch it, clearly. 539534;1393645381;decimation;it's not fair to have a WoT of robots that ignore the votes of the disenfranchised 539535;1393645381;mircea_popescu;this sounds all so distinctly soviet. 539536;1393645426;BingoBoingo;Well, if pepper spray counteracts rapists, spraypaint counteracts robots. 539537;1393645427;mircea_popescu;speaking of pipe dreamz : 539538;1393645427;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z0WmWUT2rM 539539;1393645428;ozbot;RObotzi.S03.Ep13.Sugstanta - YouTube 539540;1393645511;moiety; "work in pairs to protect each other" 539541;1393645511;moiety;03:38 now how does this work ? << i think like this http://imgur.com/gallery/snoMroC 539542;1393645552;asciilifeform;incidentally, 539543;1393645558;mircea_popescu;whoa she's good. 539544;1393645559;asciilifeform;when deploying gps jammers across an area 539545;1393645569;asciilifeform;don't be dumb like the iraqi army 539546;1393645578;asciilifeform;remember school physics 539547;1393645603;asciilifeform;think 'constructive interference' 539548;1393645612;asciilifeform;a fat, loud mast is a target 539549;1393645613;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well simple solution is allowing a slug of metal to meet a satellite 539550;1393645639;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: people who can afford to plug a satellite tend not to get 'democratized' in the first place 539551;1393645648;asciilifeform;this advice is for the rest of us. 539552;1393645693;mircea_popescu;gaddafi definitely coud have afforded to plug a satelite. 539553;1393645702;mircea_popescu;he chose to plug ukrainian nurses instead. 539554;1393645714;mircea_popescu;old age does that. back when he was still sane everyone put up with him. including rice. 539555;1393645726;mircea_popescu;(who, if anyone forgot, he propositioned quite openly for a spot in his harem) 539556;1393645747;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well consider that the payload necessary to neutralize a GPS satellite can probably be measured in a single digit number of grams. Even many "tactical" missiles if stripped for the locker room could prolly do the job. 539557;1393645780;asciilifeform;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7Ylayo7VkTE/UeViOxR4CPI/AAAAAAAACmQ/ZQsXIO6l_cY/s1600/Picture65.png 539558;1393645782;nubbins`;when rice visited bolivia, they gave her a guitar with a coca leaf lacquered onto it 539559;1393645878;decimation;hey did you guys behind the iron curtain watch Krtek the mole when you were little? 539560;1393645901;asciilifeform;decimation: i had the book! 539561;1393645904;asciilifeform;still got it 539562;1393645917;asciilifeform;translated at 'крот в городе' 539563;1393645920;asciilifeform;(mole in the city) 539564;1393645926;mircea_popescu;i have no idea what that is. 539565;1393645930;decimation;sad news, even communist propaganda cartoons can be ruined by apple http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-15/apple-helps-czech-mole-enter-21-billion-u-s-toy-market.html 539566;1393645944;asciilifeform;i think in the animated version he gets to fuck 539567;1393645956;asciilifeform;(post-soviet kid's tv is an odd place) 539568;1393645960;decimation;the videos are widely available in the us but no one knows about it 539569;1393645964;decimation;lol that's messe dup 539570;1393646010;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If only hypercard was still a thing 539571;1393646021;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTrWQ2vanzg 539572;1393646021;ozbot;Melvins - 'Nude With Boots' (Full Album HD) - YouTube 539573;1393646043;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it can still be a thing at your house. grab the emulator + tarball from my site & have fun. 539574;1393646043;nubbins`;^ named after a picture mp linked once 539575;1393646054;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 539576;1393646072;mircea_popescu;i have left my mark on popular culture 539577;1393646078;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Why. The SE/30 is dead, but I still have a flock of MacClassics 539578;1393646082;mircea_popescu;pustular cupure 539579;1393646083;mircea_popescu;whatever 539580;1393646091;nubbins`;the second one, in this case 539581;1393646100;nubbins`;unpopular unculture, even 539582;1393646107;decimation;ascii did you even find a passable lisp machine emulator 539583;1393646120;asciilifeform;decimation: which lisp machine 539584;1393646123;BingoBoingo;And once I care enough to fix the SE/30 it will be a thing again 539585;1393646141;asciilifeform;decimation: there's 1 major emulator for each major species 539586;1393646144;decimation;the symbolics machine 539587;1393646172;asciilifeform;decimation: the only one that even begins to work is the one by symbolics shortly before it croaked 539588;1393646179;BingoBoingo;One of my regrets though is not picking up an Apple IIGS, because that looks like that could have lead to incredible fun 539589;1393646217;asciilifeform;;;google snap4 symbolics 539590;1393646218;gribble;CLiki: VLM_on_Linux: ; public ynniv / opengenera Octocat-spinner-32 - GitHub: ; public ynniv / opengenera Octocat-spinner-32 - GitHub: 539591;1393646235;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00078733 = 8.2276 BTC [-] 539592;1393646241;asciilifeform;;;google symbolics lisp pirate bay 539593;1393646242;gribble;Copyleft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Programmer Mega Book Pack- Part 1 (download torrent) - TPB: ; COMMON LISP: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation: 539594;1393646258;asciilifeform;;;google symbolics open genera pirate bay 539595;1393646259;gribble;Belize General Information- Facts (and Maps) - Ambergris Caye: ; comments - Reddit: ; The Soul Travelers-Illuminati & Occult documentary ... - The Pirate Bay: 539596;1393646268;decimation;okay I might to some dumpster-diving to find the thing 539597;1393646268;asciilifeform;fuck this 539598;1393646269;asciilifeform;http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/3769989/Symbolics_Open_Genera_2.0_for_Alpha_-_complete_package_with_Lisp 539599;1393646270;ozbot;Symbolics Open Genera 2.0 for Alpha - complete package with Lisp (download torrent) - TPB 539600;1393646272;BingoBoingo;;;google opengenera HP alpha 539601;1393646273;gribble;Symbolics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Symbolics - Internet Archive: ; Symbolics | The (λ) Lambda meme - all things Lisp: 539602;1393646276;asciilifeform;there we go 539603;1393646276;decimation;heh thanks 539604;1393646296;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 539605;1393646302;asciilifeform;first comment in that piratebay link is dave schmidt 539606;1393646304;BingoBoingo;;;google WOps.txt 539607;1393646305;gribble;Urban Dictionary: wop: ; Molly Wop (MidgeCassidy) on Twitter: ; BRUNO MARS lyrics: 539608;1393646309;asciilifeform;the last man of symbolics corp. 539609;1393646354;decimation;ah so you have to run tru64 539610;1393646367;asciilifeform;decimation: not for snap4 539611;1393646369;BingoBoingo;decimation: Wy is that a prolem 539612;1393646374;asciilifeform;that's the unofficial linux port 539613;1393646379;asciilifeform;(x86-64) 539614;1393646390;asciilifeform;the pb link is the original dec alpha disk 539615;1393646414;asciilifeform;you'll need it for the sources. 539616;1393646426;decimation;ahh I see 539617;1393646442;asciilifeform;thing came with ~99% of its source. 539618;1393646482;BingoBoingo;DEC Alpha, least depreciating hardware investment ever 539619;1393646509;asciilifeform;when i was at schmidt's house i offered him $BIG for schematics 539620;1393646512;asciilifeform;he wouldn't budge 539621;1393646522;asciilifeform;he doesn't own the company 539622;1393646540;asciilifeform;probate court did (at the time) 539623;1393646551;asciilifeform;the idiot who snapped it up at bankruptcy auction died a while ago 539624;1393646553;BingoBoingo;Well, racialslur.txt 539625;1393646569;decimation;well, what about the idiot's probate? 539626;1393646572;asciilifeform;then an mit prof with nsa connections paid the idiot's debts 539627;1393646574;asciilifeform;and now owns it 539628;1393646579;asciilifeform;and that's all that was heard of it since 539629;1393646599;decimation;he probably thinks it's his ticket to get rich 539630;1393646603;decimation;like everyone else in academia 539631;1393646629;asciilifeform;decimation: nope 539632;1393646634;asciilifeform;here's the real dirt 539633;1393646636;asciilifeform;http://www.usaspending.gov/search?form_fields={"recipient_name":"symbolics+","recip_state":null,"recip_congdist":null,"recip_country":null,"recipient_duns":["966978090","873185821"],"spending_cat":null,"dept":null,"extent_competed":null,"psc_code":null,"naics_code":null,"fyear":null}&sort_by=date&per_page=25 539634;1393646642;ozbot;USASpending.gov 539635;1393646656;asciilifeform;it brings in, ~50k / yr in eternal pentagon contract 539636;1393646682;mircea_popescu;so it's worth like 600k 539637;1393646688;decimation;sounds shady as hell to me 539638;1393646690;asciilifeform;and is, in general, 'too much fun' of a technology to be turned loose 539639;1393646725;mircea_popescu; logtest 539640;1393646738;mircea_popescu;yay! 539641;1393646751;mircea_popescu;logs no longer suck! all hail kakobrekla, fixer of sucks. 539642;1393646757;asciilifeform;the $5k circa 2010 - that's my old employer. 539643;1393646769;asciilifeform;whom i talked into buying an actual copy of OG 539644;1393646778;asciilifeform;came with dec alpha. for 'free'. 539645;1393646886;asciilifeform;incidentally, the original mit lisp machine sources / schematics are bsd-licensed now. 539646;1393646899;asciilifeform;http://www.unlambda.com/cadr/ 539647;1393646900;ozbot;Retrocomputing - MIT CADR Lisp Machines 539648;1393646905;decimation;interesting 539649;1393646928;asciilifeform;http://www.unlambda.com/cadr/cadr-zmacs.jpg 539650;1393646973;nubbins`;bed; nite 539651;1393647028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15954 @ 0.00078733 = 12.5611 BTC [-] 539652;1393647031;decimation;so reading your blog, it seems that MIT eventually went to Scheme to teach young EE's how to code microcontrollers 539653;1393647045;mircea_popescu;yeah, ima go with nubbins` 539654;1393647051;asciilifeform;decimation: you misread 539655;1393647054;asciilifeform;they ditched it 539656;1393647059;asciilifeform;a few years ago 539657;1393647073;asciilifeform;it was an epic surrender to derp 539658;1393647075;decimation;yeah I saw that, but presumably before that someone decided scheme was the way to go 539659;1393647081;asciilifeform;sussman 539660;1393647086;asciilifeform;the original author of scheme 539661;1393647152;asciilifeform;http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3312#comment-48558 539662;1393647153;ozbot;Why Did M.I.T. Switch from Scheme to Python? | Lambda the Ultimate 539663;1393647157;nubbins`;sorry man, king-size bed, only room for two ;) 539664;1393647179;decimation;more evidence of the surrender of original thinking to academic bureaucracy 539665;1393647182;decimation;I blame fiat 539666;1393647184;BingoBoingo;Let us all cook pasta noodles in a pressure cooker for 7 minutes, there must be NO better way to make glue!!! 539667;1393647272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00078733 = 13.424 BTC [-] 539668;1393647272;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10899996 BTC [+] 539669;1393647455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1300 @ 0.000195 = 0.2535 BTC [+] {2} 539670;1393647495;decimation;you also inspired me to look more closely into Forth 539671;1393647504;decimation;that is a beautiful language for microcontrollers 539672;1393647944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59 = 2.36 BTC [-] 539673;1393648126;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.10112727 = 0.6068 BTC [-] {3} 539674;1393648187;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0844998 = 0.169 BTC [+] {2} 539675;1393648189;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 539676;1393648492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1346 @ 0.00078733 = 1.0597 BTC [-] 539677;1393649041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.60599999 = 3.03 BTC [+] {4} 539678;1393649182;mike_c;R.I.P. mpoe-bot... at least you went out with a bang. 539679;1393649651;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.0007898 = 7.7795 BTC [+] 539680;1393650228;mike_c;http://trilema.com/2014/no-its-not-the-revenue/ << we're about to find out. 539681;1393650228;ozbot;No, it’s not the revenue. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 539682;1393650749;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.0052 = 0.3484 BTC [+] 539683;1393650810;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 515 @ 0.00521998 = 2.6883 BTC [+] {2} 539684;1393650932;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 184 @ 0.00522 = 0.9605 BTC [+] 539685;1393651298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13125 @ 0.00078995 = 10.3681 BTC [+] {2} 539686;1393651542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0002 = 0.2 BTC [+] 539687;1393651603;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1047 @ 0.0002 = 0.2094 BTC [+] {3} 539688;1393651725;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00747579 = 1.4952 BTC [+] {5} 539689;1393651908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 16 @ 0.00722 = 0.1155 BTC [-] 539690;1393653372;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-] 539691;1393653373;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11348096 BTC [+] 539692;1393654470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00533999 = 0.2296 BTC [+] {2} 539693;1393654775;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00534998 = 0.765 BTC [+] 539694;1393655263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7323 @ 0.00079 = 5.7852 BTC [+] 539695;1393655507;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 512 @ 0.00537388 = 2.7514 BTC [+] {5} 539696;1393655873;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 140 @ 0.0055 = 0.77 BTC 539697;1393655874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 263 @ 0.00543804 = 1.4302 BTC [+] {3} 539698;1393655934;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00543999 = 0.544 BTC [+] 539699;1393655995;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 540 @ 0.00543999 = 2.9376 BTC [+] {2} 539700;1393656117;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00543999 = 0.3264 BTC [+] 539701;1393656178;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.00543999 = 0.6746 BTC [+] 539702;1393656666;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00523021 = 0.1831 BTC [-] {2} 539703;1393656788;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 461 @ 0.00543629 = 2.5061 BTC [+] {5} 539704;1393656849;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 158 @ 0.00547656 = 0.8653 BTC [+] {6} 539705;1393656910;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 202 @ 0.0055 = 1.111 BTC [+] {3} 539706;1393656971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00557741 = 0.1729 BTC [+] {4} 539707;1393657032;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.00560001 = 0.1064 BTC [+] 539708;1393657093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 104 @ 0.00563923 = 0.5865 BTC [+] {3} 539709;1393657215;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00561 = 1.122 BTC [-] 539710;1393657276;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00561 = 0.359 BTC [-] 539711;1393657399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 446 @ 0.00561 = 2.5021 BTC [-] 539712;1393657459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 621 @ 0.00566599 = 3.5186 BTC [+] {8} 539713;1393657581;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42378 @ 0.00079073 = 33.5096 BTC [+] {2} 539714;1393658923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.021399 = 0.214 BTC [+] 539715;1393659533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.0008369 = 4.6448 BTC [+] 539716;1393659777;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.051 = 0.153 BTC [+] 539717;1393660509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.0008377 = 8.0419 BTC [+] 539718;1393660631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.0008377 = 3.1833 BTC [+] 539719;1393661058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 32 @ 0.05208062 = 1.6666 BTC [+] {6} 539720;1393661485;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 33 @ 0.082 = 2.706 BTC [-] {4} 539721;1393662278;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10193047 BTC [-] 539722;1393662547;cazalla;first time creating a bet, why does the bet list me as having bet twice for a larger amount? 539723;1393662645;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 212 @ 0.00559937 = 1.1871 BTC [+] {3} 539724;1393662676;KRS-One;take j00 money 539725;1393662705;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.0002 = 0.4 BTC [+] 539726;1393662766;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 26 @ 0.05100769 = 1.3262 BTC [-] {2} 539727;1393662888;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00561 = 0.1122 BTC [+] 539728;1393663072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3697 @ 0.00083741 = 3.0959 BTC [-] 539729;1393663132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26385 @ 0.0008377 = 22.1027 BTC [+] 539730;1393663193;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5808 = 2.904 BTC [-] {2} 539731;1393663194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.115696 = 0.5785 BTC [-] {4} 539732;1393663195;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 82 @ 0.09794722 = 8.0317 BTC [-] {16} 539733;1393663241;cazalla;KRS-One does someone else kick in the pad the bet when they are approved? 539734;1393663248;cazalla;to pad* 539735;1393663254;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00051474 = 0.2574 BTC [-] {17} 539736;1393663255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.09400001 = 0.282 BTC [-] 539737;1393663316;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.08661902 = 1.819 BTC [+] {13} 539738;1393663318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 539739;1393663437;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0894 = 0.447 BTC [+] {3} 539740;1393663864;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13815 @ 0.0008377 = 11.5728 BTC [+] 539741;1393664291;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00561 = 0.3198 BTC [+] 539742;1393664413;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00561 = 0.1795 BTC [+] 539743;1393664718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00561 = 0.4208 BTC [+] 539744;1393664719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6139 @ 0.00084212 = 5.1698 BTC [+] 539745;1393665389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4626 @ 0.00084491 = 3.9086 BTC [+] 539746;1393666036;MisterE;btc-e down again :/ 539747;1393666039;MisterE;and I want to sell 539748;1393666365;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.0515 = 1.133 BTC [+] 539749;1393666487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.0008444 = 1.5199 BTC [-] 539750;1393667097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20579 @ 0.00084417 = 17.3722 BTC [-] {2} 539751;1393667158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC 539752;1393668500;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.13311598 = 0.5325 BTC [-] 539753;1393669842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5299 @ 0.00084491 = 4.4772 BTC [+] 539754;1393670757;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.09000202 = 0.45 BTC [-] {2} 539755;1393671001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28750 @ 0.00087258 = 25.0867 BTC [+] {2} 539756;1393671428;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.0056099 = 0.1066 BTC [-] 539757;1393671677;FabianB;;;ticker --currency eur --market all 539758;1393671696;gribble;MtGox BTCEUR last: 95.89175, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 405.35775, vol: 25090.63405584 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 399.99999, vol: 277.45636 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 406.1655, vol: 6636.95400000 | Volume-weighted last average: 405.478807636 539759;1393671750;FabianB;;;calc 1/405.478807636 539760;1393671750;gribble;0.00246622013572 539761;1393671766;FabianB;;;calc 1/0.00220000 539762;1393671766;gribble;454.545454545 539763;1393673197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1500 @ 0.00050159 = 0.7524 BTC [-] {6} 539764;1393673258;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.08386884 = 2.0967 BTC [-] {10} 539765;1393673319;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 34 @ 0.10595585 = 3.6025 BTC [+] {7} 539766;1393675088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.05050525 = 1.0101 BTC [-] {3} 539767;1393675271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 24 @ 0.13311598 = 3.1948 BTC [-] 539768;1393675698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.0008745 = 27.0221 BTC [+] {3} 539769;1393676186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.08325 = 0.999 BTC [-] {6} 539770;1393676279;ThickAsThieves;http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/03/obama-warns-putin-over-ukraine-intervention-20143145518333568.html 539771;1393676280;ozbot;Obama warns Russia over Ukraine intervention - Europe - Al Jazeera English 539772;1393676347;ThickAsThieves;something about "warns Russia" bothers me... this isn't a 3rd world country he's warning 539773;1393676372;ThickAsThieves;oh nvm 539774;1393676373;ThickAsThieves;Options include skipping a G8 summit planned for this summer in Sochi, Russia, as well as trade limitations "and putting some commerce deals on hold," Al Jazeera's Jordan reports. 539775;1393676385;ThickAsThieves;Obama was just posting on reddit 539776;1393676491;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00555021 = 0.3053 BTC [-] 539777;1393676492;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.13311598 = 6.6558 BTC [-] 539778;1393676613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.000868 = 15.19 BTC [-] 539779;1393676699;mircea_popescu;;;later tell copumpkin your pubkey is unusable for some sort of reason. 539780;1393676699;gribble;The operation succeeded. 539781;1393676764;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z9e3l/bitcoins_warren_buffet_makes_8k_btc_profit_in/ 539782;1393676765;ozbot;Bitcoin's Warren Buffet makes 8k BTC profit in February, halts options trading because of the lack o 539783;1393676796;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.0008702 = 16.1857 BTC [+] 539784;1393676800;mircea_popescu;o look at that 539785;1393676806;mircea_popescu;o wow 539786;1393676817;mircea_popescu;$vwap s.mpoe 539787;1393676818;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00083806 high: 0.00087478 low: 0.000745 volume: 1421928 btc: 1191.6611664 7 day: average: 0.0008666 high: 0.0008982 low: 0.000745 volume: 7508070 btc: 6506.4808497 30 day: average: 0.00087779 high: 0.00096 low: 0.000745 volume: 29347907 btc: 25761.1538897 539788;1393676860;mircea_popescu;learn something every day. 539789;1393676871;nubbins`;most days, anyway 539790;1393677038;mircea_popescu;nubbins` are you nugyar ? 539791;1393677045;nubbins`;i'll never tell! 539792;1393677049;mircea_popescu;lolk 539793;1393677068;nubbins`;fairly eye-catching as far as headlines go though, hey? 539794;1393677075;mircea_popescu;i'll bet you 1k atcs it never gets over 10 positive vote differeential. 539795;1393677101;nubbins`;i'll take that bet once i get around to generating an actual address that starts with 1AltcoinSucksCocks 539796;1393677129;mircea_popescu;o wait you're the atc hater 539797;1393677131;mircea_popescu;my bad 539798;1393677133;nubbins`;heh. 539799;1393677139;mircea_popescu;what altscamcoin of your choice would you take instead ? 539800;1393677139;nubbins`;hate is such a strong word 539801;1393677145;mircea_popescu;ya but hater isn't. 539802;1393677154;nubbins`;the opposite, even 539803;1393677157;mircea_popescu;rght 539804;1393677175;nubbins`;ah, they're all the same. does a horse prefer one gopher hole over another? 539805;1393677190;mircea_popescu;so you've rendered yourself unplaypayable ? 539806;1393677208;nubbins`;well i'm still heavily exposed in both fiat and btc, so not quite 539807;1393677215;mircea_popescu;unPLAYpayable 539808;1393677223;nubbins`;oh, i misread 539809;1393677244;nubbins`;i do accept canadian tire money, but it's harder to find in yurop 539810;1393677264;mircea_popescu;da fucxk is that 539811;1393677269;nubbins`;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Tire_money 539812;1393677269;ozbot;Canadian Tire money - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 539813;1393677271;nubbins`;it's a thing. 539814;1393677277;mircea_popescu;holy shit 539815;1393677290;nubbins`;not unheard-of to find private businesses that accept it 539816;1393677323;nubbins`;the quintessential canadian scrip 539817;1393677327;mircea_popescu;i had no idea 539818;1393677336;mircea_popescu;"but is not considered a private currency" 539819;1393677338;nubbins`;nod. "a part of our heritage" 539820;1393677339;mircea_popescu;because why 539821;1393677366;nubbins`;because CT isn't as brave as they'd like to be 539822;1393677384;mircea_popescu;but i mean... it gets redeemed and circulated right ? 539823;1393677385;mircea_popescu;what else? 539824;1393677390;nubbins`;yeah 539825;1393677407;mircea_popescu;The coupon rate earned was initially 5% of the eligible purchase price but was subsequently lowered to 3%, then to 1.4%, and now is 0.4%. 539826;1393677409;mircea_popescu;lmao why 539827;1393677417;nubbins`;not unusual to find yourself in the lineup at canadian tire, stuck behind some asshole buying a snowblower with canadian tire money 539828;1393677453;nubbins`;do you know how long it takes to count out nine hundred dollars in 10 cent bills?! 539829;1393677478;mircea_popescu;o holy shi 539830;1393677479;mircea_popescu;t 539831;1393677512;mircea_popescu;and yes i do. i come from romania, remember ? 539832;1393677529;nubbins`;HEH 539833;1393677599;nubbins`;i often wondered why south korea hasn't revalued their currency 539834;1393677626;nubbins`;no subunits; everything is "won", with 1000 won ~= $1 539835;1393677635;mircea_popescu;more than the value per se, romania is still to this day a cash economy. 539836;1393677650;mircea_popescu;i have never used a plastic card to pay for any purchase during my entire stay here. 539837;1393677655;mircea_popescu;i am the 99% in this regard. 539838;1393677656;nubbins`;sk too, at least until mobile phone payments started around 2007 539839;1393677666;nubbins`;it's unusual for canadians to carry any amount of cash 539840;1393677677;nubbins`;i am the 1% in this regard 539841;1393677684;mircea_popescu;haha 539842;1393677689;nubbins`;(and no other) 539843;1393677704;mircea_popescu;how to be a real gangsta : 539844;1393677729;mircea_popescu;carry fifteen hundred dolla in cash and fifteen hundred dolla worth of gun 539845;1393677785;nubbins`;heh 539846;1393677790;nubbins`;i should get a firearms license 539847;1393677810;nubbins`;i want to learn to hunt 539848;1393677833;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5801 BTC [-] 539849;1393677869;nubbins`;lel, first comment on that reddit post 539850;1393677871;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/03/1/7016760/ 539851;1393677909;mircea_popescu;lol 539852;1393677962;nubbins`;bbl fixing hot water tank 539853;1393677968;mircea_popescu;Everybody knows that the dice are loaded 539854;1393677968;mircea_popescu;Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed 539855;1393677968;mircea_popescu;Everybody knows that the war is over 539856;1393677968;mircea_popescu;Everybody knows the good guys lost 539857;1393677968;mircea_popescu;Everybody knows the fight was fixed 539858;1393677969;mircea_popescu;The poor stay poor, the rich get rich 539859;1393677971;mircea_popescu;That's how it goes 539860;1393677973;mircea_popescu;Everybody knows 539861;1393677997;mircea_popescu;and now with music : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lin-a2lTelg 539862;1393678156;chetty;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bho9HeUCIAAg9Sw.jpg 539863;1393678199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09738672 = 0.1948 BTC [+] {2} 539864;1393678236;cazalla;mircea_popescu: when a bet i created is added to the site, why does it show duplicate bets coming from my address? 539865;1393678277;mircea_popescu;cazalla you mean this http://bitbet.us/faq/#21 ? 539866;1393678322;cazalla;guess i should pay more attention next time :) 539867;1393678332;mircea_popescu;:p 539868;1393678340;mircea_popescu;o look at that, cyprus govt collapsed overnight 539869;1393678461;nubbins`;cohen is fucking amazing, ever read him? 539870;1393678461;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 539871;1393678471;nubbins`;the music is great, but the poetry...! 539872;1393678476;mircea_popescu;i don't care for his politics, 539873;1393678482;mircea_popescu;but yes, poetry i read. 539874;1393678488;wao-ender;lol http://dorktech.com/where-did-butterflylabs-go/ 539875;1393678504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00560989 = 0.2356 BTC [+] 539876;1393678509;wao-ender;i'm laughing so hard right now 539877;1393678523;mircea_popescu;wao-ender https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/438993301698793472 539878;1393678554;mircea_popescu;internally they call it the mpocalypse. 539879;1393678579;wao-ender;why that term? 539880;1393678616;mircea_popescu;guess. 539881;1393678654;wao-ender;had hard night, one hint please 539882;1393678667;mircea_popescu;nubbins` aaand it's burried. you couldn't tell them if you wanted to. 539883;1393678688;mircea_popescu;wao-ender we're having this little private war, had for a while. mp versus the idiots. 539884;1393678697;mircea_popescu;the idiots are currently getting reamed with fireworks. 539885;1393678703;wao-ender;*rearmed? 539886;1393678706;wao-ender;hmm 539887;1393678712;mircea_popescu;;;ud reamed 539888;1393678712;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Reamed | Reamed. To Ream, to annihilate the ass-hole of your sexual partner while performing anal sex. After I reamed her ass last night I feel L337 as hell. by Griffin  ... 539889;1393678713;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: Reamed 539890;1393678729;wao-ender;lol reamed 539891;1393678812;wao-ender;http://cs323724.userapi.com/v323724585/2c3c/TVDm5Ors-i4.jpg 539892;1393678920;mircea_popescu;anyway, let's pull a little chain here. 539893;1393678928;mircea_popescu;hey Luke-Jr, how about that bfl ? 539894;1393678948;mircea_popescu;(you know you're going on the list of accessories for that prosecution, right ?) 539895;1393678999;mircea_popescu;better spend the 30% left of those savings and anything you can borrow to retain counsel now, before the freeze orders start raining down. 539896;1393679013;mircea_popescu;you'll need all the help you can get propping up the "ignorant idiot without a clue" defense. 539897;1393679481;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.050505 = 0.5051 BTC [-] 539898;1393679541;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.13311598 = 1.4643 BTC [-] 539899;1393679671;ThickAsThieves;so BFL never shipped those pci boards that were guaranteed for xmas deliver? 539900;1393679690;ThickAsThieves;color me serbprized 539901;1393679777;ThickAsThieves;these recaptchas seem to be getting more impossible 539902;1393679920;mircea_popescu;awwwh. 539903;1393679941;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/01/live-blogging-berkshires-earnings-buffetts-annual-letter/?mod=WSJBlog 539904;1393679941;ozbot;Live Blogging Berkshire’s Earnings & Buffett’s Annual Letter - MoneyBeat - WSJ 539905;1393679980;ThickAsThieves;http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/2013ltr.pdf 539906;1393680002;ThickAsThieves;"Berkshire’s gain in net worth during 2013 was $34.2 billion" 539907;1393680173;mircea_popescu;i forget, what do hey have under management ? 2 trn ? 539908;1393680296;ThickAsThieves;not sure i know how to read it right, but i see $74.3t in a lot of places 539909;1393680326;mircea_popescu;i think that's their reach 539910;1393680335;mircea_popescu;(ie, what position they could take counting all leverage) 539911;1393680354;mircea_popescu;look for "total assets under management" 539912;1393680391;ThickAsThieves;can;t find it 539913;1393680395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00086739 = 8.0667 BTC [-] {2} 539914;1393680398;ThickAsThieves;Total current assets ..................... 25,035 (in mils) 539915;1393680515;ThickAsThieves;how will they fair when he dies? "Next year’s letter will review our 50 years at Berkshire and speculate a bit about the next 50. In the meantime, come to Omaha on May 3rd and enjoy our Woodstock for Capitalists." 539916;1393680518;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.00085581 = 0.1284 BTC [-] {4} 539917;1393680570;wao-ender;v0v 539918;1393680577;wao-ender;BingoBoingo: Ukranian Deputies Threaten to Restart Nuclear Weapons Program in Response to Russian Support for Crimea Separatists 539919;1393680655;ThickAsThieves;fare* 539920;1393680739;ThickAsThieves;worst headline i've seen from Al Jazeera: Israel shoots dead woman near Gaza border 539921;1393680962;mircea_popescu;nubbins` here, i made this as a gift for you : http://trilema.com/2014/a-potpourri-or-your-first-time-gazing-upon-the-intimate-workings-of-power/ 539922;1393681043;ThickAsThieves;lol the Mastercoin currency exchange is called Masterchest 539923;1393681066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20384 @ 0.00086974 = 17.7288 BTC [+] 539924;1393681068;mircea_popescu;i wonder if they can get the irghts for the dog 539925;1393681073;mircea_popescu;"his master's voice" 539926;1393681112;ThickAsThieves;cyprus gov collapsed? 539927;1393681136;mircea_popescu;yeah. 539928;1393681167;ThickAsThieves;yeesh 539929;1393681190;ThickAsThieves;i guess everyone really was still using gox 539930;1393681198;ThickAsThieves;RBS, BFL, Cyprus 539931;1393681276;mircea_popescu;l;ol 539932;1393681284;ThickAsThieves;Under that plan, Cyprus must privatize its ports, telecoms and electricity companies to raise up to 1.4 billion and pay down debt by 2018. Centre and left wing parties rejected the privatization scheme. 539933;1393681293;ThickAsThieves;why do lefties deny? 539934;1393681297;ThickAsThieves;sounds great to me 539935;1393681310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 120 @ 0.07415382 = 8.8985 BTC [-] {16} 539936;1393681318;mircea_popescu;because they'd like sovereignity. 539937;1393681335;mircea_popescu;the only chip cyprus has at any table is the ports and telecoms 539938;1393681381;ThickAsThieves;parliament split 25-25 on the vote, with five abstentions 539939;1393681394;ThickAsThieves;sounds like someone's payoff check was late 539940;1393681433;mircea_popescu;lmao @55 seat parliament. i imagine their senate is not large enough to supply players for a tournament of bridge. 539941;1393681737;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.13569717 = 0.4071 BTC [+] {2} 539942;1393681738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00086581 = 5.0217 BTC [-] 539943;1393681798;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00555021 = 0.2498 BTC [-] 539944;1393681909;mircea_popescu;an' now back to our regularly scheduled programme. 539945;1393681909;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m85magDWMG1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 539946;1393682028;wao-ender;ordinary romanian day^? 539947;1393682063;mircea_popescu;for the 1% 539948;1393682076;mircea_popescu;those lucky enough to work for the 0.01% 539949;1393682184;cazalla;is that good beer 539950;1393682190;mircea_popescu;nah 539951;1393682608;wao-ender;add Crimea hassle. 539952;1393682615;wao-ender;I think, perfect last few days. 539953;1393682653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11264 @ 0.00086993 = 9.7989 BTC [+] {2} 539954;1393682702;mircea_popescu;well the truth is... the russians could never afford to lose that. 539955;1393683909;FabianB;so OIX and MPBOR is suspended for the time being 539956;1393684360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8338 @ 0.00087076 = 7.2604 BTC [+] 539957;1393684604;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1879 @ 0.00019998 = 0.3758 BTC [+] {4} 539958;1393684689;davout;FabianB: looks like it 539959;1393685091;ThickAsThieves;coindesk steals info on other blogs and makes fancy timeline linking to all gox articles http://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/timeline/latest/embed/index.html?source=0AtTCgM8sLx3UdHNCeWdlZHBhNjVXQ1dtSWhUQm04LVE&font=Bevan-PotanoSans&maptype=toner&lang=en&start_at_slide=57&height=650 539960;1393685110;ThickAsThieves;all coindesk* gox articles 539961;1393685132;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, a belated birthday gift 539962;1393685150;mircea_popescu;:) 539963;1393685155;mircea_popescu;FabianB yes. 539964;1393685160;mircea_popescu;sorry about that. 539965;1393685227;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves that strategy worked in the past so well for so many now famous venues 539966;1393685235;mircea_popescu;wait... i couldn't actually name one 539967;1393685244;mircea_popescu;but obviously it worked. it must have. right ? 539968;1393685271;ThickAsThieves;content has to come from somewhere! 539969;1393685306;ThickAsThieves;i'm not even sure what purpose this doodad serves 539970;1393685306;mircea_popescu;i mean each year there are at least >9000 various start-ups, whether on broadway, off broadway, off-off broadway etc that try it. 539971;1393685312;ThickAsThieves;i can click all the tags! 539972;1393685315;mircea_popescu;i could never point to one that succeeded 539973;1393685318;mircea_popescu;and yet each year... 539974;1393685336;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.13311598 = 1.3312 BTC [-] 539975;1393685483;mircea_popescu;incidentally, re ukraine : http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/Deterrence/Trilateral.shtml 539976;1393685505;mircea_popescu;back when the us was still a sovereign, it promised (together with russia) to defend the ukrainian border if ukraina agrees to dismantle nukes. 539977;1393685516;mircea_popescu;meanwhile russia is still a sovereign, but the us is not sovereign anymore. 539978;1393685519;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 539979;1393685527;nubbins`;"that depends on what your definition of 'defend' is" 539980;1393685532;mircea_popescu;nope, notrly. 539981;1393685630;asciilifeform;http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-science-and-engineering-papers/ 539982;1393685631;ozbot;Publishers Withdraw More than 120 Gibberish Science and Engineering Papers - Scientific American 539983;1393685636;asciilifeform;shannonizer ftw! 539984;1393685641;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05099 = 0.102 BTC [+] 539985;1393685680;mircea_popescu;lol 539986;1393685763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.0056 = 0.168 BTC [+] 539987;1393685824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.0056 = 0.1512 BTC [+] 539988;1393685839;ThickAsThieves;there's one guy out there that's like, Wait I was serious! I'm not a machine! 539989;1393685861;mircea_popescu;ahjahaha 539990;1393685885;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4748 @ 0.00087076 = 4.1344 BTC [+] 539991;1393685907;ninjashogun;haha 539992;1393685909;ninjashogun;who was that 539993;1393685946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00560987 = 0.1963 BTC [+] 539994;1393685980;mircea_popescu;"The quantum droplet is made up of roughly five electrons and five holes. It possesses some characteristics of a liquid, like having ripples, the scientists said." 539995;1393685987;mircea_popescu;clearly, ripple wins at quantum. 539996;1393686000;mircea_popescu;anyway : new particle. 539997;1393686004;mircea_popescu;the dogeplet. 539998;1393686018;asciilifeform;http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/04/17/80/02/0004178002087_500X500.jpg 539999;1393686043;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform obviously i misread "ripple cunt" 540000;1393686049;asciilifeform;ahahaha 540001;1393686076;mircea_popescu;which i suppose is nubbins`'s next band 540002;1393686082;mircea_popescu;once they're done dicking around with the dick 540003;1393686185;asciilifeform;'Most of the conferences took place in China, and most of the fake papers have authors with Chinese affiliations.' 540004;1393686205;mircea_popescu;spam.cn 540005;1393686287;nubbins`;DICK SURGERY! 540006;1393686373;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 121 @ 0.0056 = 0.6776 BTC [-] 540007;1393686378;nubbins`;https://twitter.com/CBCWam/status/439718120354086912/photo/1/large 540008;1393686379;ozbot;Twitter / CBCWam: Look at all the brand new CDS ... 540009;1393686390;nubbins`;that's one of our albums (atelier bleu!) on top of the pile :D 540010;1393686403;nubbins`;shoulda put dick surgery on top. 540011;1393686549;ThickAsThieves;"Just noticed my TOR wallet emptied a couple of days ago" 540012;1393686551;ThickAsThieves;lol 540013;1393686598;ThickAsThieves;Just noticed my lawn gnome was stolen 540014;1393686620;ThickAsThieves;and now all i have is these pictures 540015;1393686678;mircea_popescu;OMFG GUISE someone stoled my lawn 540016;1393686695;mircea_popescu;aw shit too slow again 540017;1393686698;ThickAsThieves;crimean! 540018;1393686717;ThickAsThieves;it has both crime and mean in it 540019;1393686724;ThickAsThieves;word of the month! 540020;1393686734;nubbins`;so we got our enormous-carbon-footprint 6.25% organic tank tops in for the yoga studio (eco-friendly!) 540021;1393686744;nubbins`;they don't even say "organic" on the label, anywhere 540022;1393686745;nubbins`;hahaha 540023;1393686748;ThickAsThieves;lol 540024;1393686750;nubbins`;fuck this client 540025;1393686778;ThickAsThieves;i was at an event last night where the speaker told the crowd to only eat orgasmic veggies 540026;1393686784;ThickAsThieves;especially if you eat the skin 540027;1393686793;nubbins`;people don't eat the skin?! 540028;1393686801;ThickAsThieves;and fruits* 540029;1393686808;ThickAsThieves;well, like bananas 540030;1393686818;ThickAsThieves;kiwis 540031;1393686820;ThickAsThieves;etc 540032;1393686837;asciilifeform;re: 'scigen': all the 'authors' would need to do now is to adjust the rng 540033;1393686873;asciilifeform;the problem of 'tell shit from shinola programmatically' is ai-complete 540034;1393686890;asciilifeform;anyone is welcome to try it even for 'arxiv vs snarxiv' (http://snarxiv.org/vs-arxiv) 540035;1393686926;mircea_popescu;snarxiv hahaha. 540036;1393686932;mircea_popescu;people here know everything don't they. 540037;1393686951;nubbins`;ah, good point 540038;1393686958;nubbins`;what sort of deviant would eat a banana peel ;( 540039;1393686993;ThickAsThieves;well it is probly the most orgasmic fruit 540040;1393687001;mircea_popescu;hahaha 540041;1393687001;ThickAsThieves;other than maybe cucumbers 540042;1393687128;ThickAsThieves;but to you'd have to "fruit" "loosely" if using a cucumber 540043;1393687133;ThickAsThieves;use* 540044;1393687138;mircea_popescu;can someone link me to the log where i rant about how if someone had an idea they didn't have an idea until someone in power says so ? 540045;1393687194;ThickAsThieves;not sure if you ever quite put it that recursively 540046;1393687200;mircea_popescu;i didn't 540047;1393687209;mircea_popescu;i can't remember what the fuck exactly i said and so i can't grep too efficiently. 540048;1393687221;ThickAsThieves;say something new then 540049;1393687227;mircea_popescu;meh. 540050;1393687237;ThickAsThieves;it'll be more memorable this time 540051;1393687242;ThickAsThieves;use a fucked up analogy 540052;1393687244;ThickAsThieves;itll help 540053;1393687246;mircea_popescu;lmao 540054;1393687246;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'art' piece? 540055;1393687258;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think it was around that discussion, but not exactly. 540056;1393687270;mircea_popescu;i was ranting at either tat or thestringpuller i think 540057;1393687279;mircea_popescu;fucking hell i need ai. 540058;1393687332;mircea_popescu;why doesn't grep take gestures! 540059;1393687349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.00544066 = 0.7508 BTC [-] {6} 540060;1393687409;nubbins`;mp, ever read any Federico Garcia Lorca? was reminded of him earlier 540061;1393687410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 318 @ 0.00050177 = 0.1596 BTC [+] {7} 540062;1393687415;nubbins`;cohen named his daughter after him 540063;1393687489;nubbins`;always meant to pick some up, never quite got around to it 540064;1393687489;asciilifeform;nubbins`: the fellow with 'guardia civil, alma de charol' ? 540065;1393687532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05055 = 0.1011 BTC [-] {2} 540066;1393687551;nubbins`;computer says yes 540067;1393687593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.05003136 = 0.8005 BTC [-] {5} 540068;1393687604;mircea_popescu;Jan 25 16:40:13 we're not equal, even if we can type the same strings in a box they still aren't the same strings. depends whose name signs on them. we're not equal, even if two people have "the same idea", in one head it's an idea, in another head it's nothing. 540069;1393687606;mircea_popescu;fuck me. 540070;1393687622;mircea_popescu;it was worth having it searched for. look at that beauty. 540071;1393687627;nubbins`;colored strings 540072;1393687638;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yes. 540073;1393687640;asciilifeform;what was the context here 540074;1393687677;asciilifeform;'Quod licet Jovi...' ? 540075;1393687803;mircea_popescu;the context is complicated. 540076;1393687804;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2014#459312 540077;1393687806;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 540078;1393687825;mircea_popescu;basically me having an explosion over kids putting themselves in the whoodchipper 540079;1393687830;ThickAsThieves;fukn shit ... 19 AM shares lost in error on my last week. Grrr 540080;1393687835;mircea_popescu;the kids are playing the ceo, the woodchipper is chipping away 540081;1393687837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00559998 = 0.2464 BTC [+] 540082;1393687838;ThickAsThieves;never fucked up til now 540083;1393687847;mircea_popescu;thickasukto. 540084;1393687866;ThickAsThieves;well at least i can afford to fix it 540085;1393687899;ThickAsThieves;fukn gmail and threaded emails caused it 540086;1393687900;nubbins`;that's the spirit 540087;1393687977;asciilifeform;if i understand correctly, this is just the difference between armchair general and actual general 540088;1393687981;ThickAsThieves;btw you see people shares ukyo's facebook? 540089;1393688012;kakobrekla;oh yeah whats with the ukyo now 540090;1393688016;kakobrekla;did he pay up or what 540091;1393688019;ThickAsThieves;https://www.facebook.com/jon.montroll 540092;1393688020;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00559998 = 0.196 BTC [+] 540093;1393688023;ThickAsThieves;nope 540094;1393688026;kakobrekla;or did he have the coins on gox 540095;1393688041;kakobrekla;cause that WOULD be fun. 540096;1393688101;kakobrekla;wait his name is MonTroll 540097;1393688107;kakobrekla;and you expect him to pay!? 540098;1393688124;nubbins`;mon ami, votre troll 540099;1393688126;ThickAsThieves;hehe 540100;1393688142;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.051 = 0.153 BTC [+] 540101;1393688151;nubbins`;or is that too stiff? ton troll if you prefer 540102;1393688197;kakobrekla;seems like hawaiian troll of men 540103;1393688248;nubbins`;brb reboot 540104;1393688292;nubbins`;46 days uptime on a laptop ;o 540105;1393688306;kakobrekla;mine is longer. 540106;1393688574;ThickAsThieves;heh, Friedcat is covering the 19 shares :) 540107;1393688640;ThickAsThieves;i got a bailout 540108;1393688681;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you understand correctly. 540109;1393688691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23885 @ 0.00086496 = 20.6596 BTC [-] {3} 540110;1393688694;mircea_popescu;also this is for an article im about to write so you'll see what i want to say by it presently. 540111;1393688707;ThickAsThieves;that reminds me 540112;1393688715;ThickAsThieves;i was reading the MPOE statement 540113;1393688754;mircea_popescu; wait his name is MonTroll <<< inigo montrollya 540114;1393688761;ThickAsThieves;does the section with the graph basically imply that as you made efforts to CYA on those purchased Puts, the influenced caused a ripple that dropped the exchange rate all around? 540115;1393688777;mircea_popescu;i didn't think it implies such 540116;1393688781;mircea_popescu;i thought it outright said it. 540117;1393688785;ThickAsThieves;ok 540118;1393688812;ThickAsThieves;sometimes explicit things seem obfuscated to me :) 540119;1393688822;Namworld;Montroll is an actual family name tho 540120;1393688825;mircea_popescu;kind-of the point of that article, if you read between the... lines 540121;1393688845;mircea_popescu;o no wait. not of that article. of some other article. 540122;1393688888;ThickAsThieves;so a further implication might be, don;t bet too hard against mircea or he'll just move the goal posts? 540123;1393688916;mircea_popescu;either that or don't fucking read too deep into what mp says and go all fucking nuts just because he has to cover 10k 540124;1393688935;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00569989 = 0.285 BTC [+] 540125;1393688949;ThickAsThieves;i see 540126;1393688964;mircea_popescu;i would say it's becoming a major problem now that people keep trying to outmaneuver me intellectually, and whereas i'm very blunt, they ascribe wallstreet-esque depths of trachery to what i do 540127;1393688969;ThickAsThieves;that's a big sword you got 540128;1393688973;mircea_popescu;the result being ocasionally incontrollable deflagrations 540129;1393688983;mircea_popescu;so let's all simmer down and take mp at his word. 540130;1393688993;ThickAsThieves;at hi sword 540131;1393688997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00559998 = 0.6216 BTC [-] 540132;1393689009;mircea_popescu;lmao 540133;1393689015;assbot;Last 24 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1674360/plain/) 540134;1393689015;mircea_popescu;!b 24 540135;1393689174;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's ridiculous, just look at the volatility curve for 4-8 feb. 540136;1393689186;mircea_popescu;it's like V 540137;1393689300;ThickAsThieves;you just wnat me to spend more trilema credits! 540138;1393689304;ThickAsThieves;scammar 540139;1393689327;kakobrekla;how do you think hes gonna get by now, without the mpoe options.... 540140;1393689331;mircea_popescu;^ 540141;1393689341;davout;lol 540142;1393689368;ThickAsThieves;i've spent like 800 so far 540143;1393689370;ThickAsThieves;not bad 540144;1393689378;mircea_popescu;i gotta expensify those things 540145;1393689390;ThickAsThieves;probly 540146;1393689418;mircea_popescu;currently i'm shitting the bitcoin advisor market, because you wouldn't hire anyone to pay him 100x for stupid shit 540147;1393689425;mircea_popescu;when you could juist read the stuff on trilema and be ahead. 540148;1393689446;mircea_popescu;somehow BingoBoingo doesn't quite manage to hate me for it, yet. 540149;1393689466;ThickAsThieves;well you are mean and scary enough that anyone that would pay an advisor is probly ignoring you 540150;1393689492;mircea_popescu;heh. 540151;1393689507;mircea_popescu;yeah, plenty of rabbits with money all over the forest. 540152;1393689509;mircea_popescu;this happens. 540153;1393689545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00086599 = 14.8517 BTC [+] 540154;1393689548;ThickAsThieves;plus they need to get through the irc log as a primer now to even hope to understand what's going on 540155;1393689594;mircea_popescu;understanding is this fascinating beast, in that it works in parts 540156;1393689606;mircea_popescu;you don;t have to understand the whole thing to have an actionable understanding. 540157;1393689610;ThickAsThieves;so do inside jokes 540158;1393689627;ThickAsThieves;probly what people dismiss this all as 540159;1393689635;nubbins`;bayman just bought my bass amp 540160;1393689638;*;nubbins` dusts off hands 540161;1393689641;mircea_popescu;finance has always been the inside joke of some old jooz. 540162;1393689649;ThickAsThieves;those assholes pointing and laughing at shit that isnt even funny! 540163;1393689691;mircea_popescu;but anyway, there's going to be a livinbg to be earned in summarizing and translating irc and stuff for vaiours needs. 540164;1393689692;ThickAsThieves;i learned that if i am ever imprisoned i will need to tell them i am jewish in order to maintain veganism 540165;1393689718;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I think of it as reselling Trilema credits at a markup 540166;1393689728;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00533325 = 0.1067 BTC [-] 540167;1393689729;nubbins`;will they provide you with multivitamins? 540168;1393689735;ThickAsThieves;thats bs 540169;1393689743;nubbins`;;D 540170;1393689747;ThickAsThieves;vegans dont require suppliments 540171;1393689748;ThickAsThieves;no one does 540172;1393689753;ThickAsThieves;well no one healthy 540173;1393689759;*;nubbins` reels in the line 540174;1393689763;ThickAsThieves;hehe 540175;1393689772;mircea_popescu;unless you're in the habit of swallowing and do it 10 times a week 540176;1393689778;mircea_popescu;you can't really survive on all vegetals. 540177;1393689783;ThickAsThieves;lies 540178;1393689788;mircea_popescu;that's the dirty secret of good looking vegan chicks 540179;1393689791;mircea_popescu;they guzzle da cum. 540180;1393689795;ThickAsThieves;lol 540181;1393689805;mircea_popescu;notevenkidding.jpg 540182;1393689847;ThickAsThieves;well i agree that nuts are required for sustenance 540183;1393689850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00533328 = 0.2293 BTC [+] {2} 540184;1393689852;ThickAsThieves;:) 540185;1393689853;nubbins`;HEH 540186;1393689857;nubbins`;that's gold 540187;1393689870;nubbins`;fun fact: cashews aren't nuts 540188;1393689911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15482 @ 0.00086599 = 13.4073 BTC [+] 540189;1393690033;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00533154 = 0.7997 BTC [-] {5} 540190;1393690118;Namworld;Looks like a lot of people bought huge amount of goxcoins at 60%-90% 540191;1393690162;ThickAsThieves;bitcointalk should have better thread mod features, like disallowing posts from new accounts and/or Trust rating requirements 540192;1393690208;ThickAsThieves;this sock bullshit is ... bullshit 540193;1393690232;ThickAsThieves;10 accounts = 2 doods wanking 540194;1393690319;ThickAsThieves;Namworld, how many did you buy> 540195;1393690346;nubbins`;you got soxxed 540196;1393690348;peterl;Namworld: and there are people talking about resurecting Gox, can't we just let the pile of crap die now? 540197;1393690359;Namworld;I sold at 90% 540198;1393690372;Namworld;10% cut, just after withdrawals were stopped. 540199;1393690375;peterl;did you get your fiat out? 540200;1393690381;ThickAsThieves;yeah everyone thinks they can brute force the wallets 540201;1393690402;ThickAsThieves;i say let em be 540202;1393690405;Namworld;lol, brute force wallets. 540203;1393690474;nubbins`;http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/03/01/146223/using-google-maps-to-intercept-fbi-and-secret-service-calls 540204;1393690475;ozbot;Using Google Maps To Intercept FBI and Secret Service Calls - Slashdot 540205;1393690515;ThickAsThieves;there are some serious issues for small businesses and google 540206;1393690521;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00549996 = 0.22 BTC [+] {3} 540207;1393690531;ThickAsThieves;random restaurant owner has no clue what to do 540208;1393690569;ThickAsThieves;slaves to tripadvisor and shit 540209;1393690601;ThickAsThieves;victims of a complaint system masquerading as a reviw 540210;1393690604;ThickAsThieves;reviews* 540211;1393690630;ThickAsThieves;then savvy ones buy fake reviews 540212;1393690638;ThickAsThieves;hurting consumer 540213;1393690660;ThickAsThieves;business RPG 540214;1393690704;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00020285 = 0.2029 BTC [+] {2} 540215;1393690705;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 243 @ 0.00088164 = 0.2142 BTC [+] {2} 540216;1393690765;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.0213 = 0.2769 BTC [-] {2} 540217;1393690889;nubbins`;http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2014/need-a-water-filter-peel-a-tree-branch-0226.html 540218;1393690890;ozbot;Need a water filter? Peel a tree branch - MIT News Office 540219;1393690922;nubbins`;won't work for cryptosporidium, but still impressive 540220;1393691077;ThickAsThieves;"This is a technology institute. I don't believe there are any communication courses here." 540221;1393691095;ThickAsThieves;says so much 540222;1393691118;ThickAsThieves;"This quote from your article aludes to plants having some sort of intelligence and a brain. This is rather disturbing to me coming from such a prestigious campus. This thinking must originate from some primitive caveman type of superstition. Otherwise this is a wonderful article." 540223;1393691121;asciilifeform;mit, obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ 540224;1393691136;ThickAsThieves;is Vitalik from MIT? 540225;1393691167;ThickAsThieves;hehe http://about.me/vitalik_buterin 540226;1393691180;nubbins`;heh, commenters are such wet blankets 540227;1393691183;ThickAsThieves;should have lasers coming out of his eyes 540228;1393691226;ThickAsThieves;University of Waterloo 540229;1393691227;kakobrekla;>Full-time Cryptocurrency 2.0 Advocate 540230;1393691229;kakobrekla;oh my. 540231;1393691269;ThickAsThieves;yeah the new company line is bitcoin is outdated, havent you heard 540232;1393691282;ThickAsThieves;so many problemz with it 540233;1393691296;ThickAsThieves;like i dont own any 540234;1393691306;ThickAsThieves;etc 540235;1393691309;kakobrekla;mhm 540236;1393691320;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/st-john-s-man-living-in-shed-after-booted-out-of-housing-1.2555839 540237;1393691320;ozbot;St. John's man living in shed after booted out of housing - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News 540238;1393691333;nubbins`;a particularly insightful comment: "another sensational story by the CBC over dramatising as usual .....and indeed scrapping the bottom of the barrel ...give us a justin bieber story please" 540239;1393691375;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9645 @ 0.00087078 = 8.3987 BTC [+] 540240;1393691421;ThickAsThieves;"What a heart wrenching one sided story." 540241;1393691424;ThickAsThieves;hehe 540242;1393691459;nubbins`;cbc comments, in particular, are fucking brutal 540243;1393691496;nubbins`;that fucking dickhead "froglips" comments on every. single. story. 540244;1393691539;nubbins`;that said, this is a ridiculous excuse of a news story 540245;1393691547;ThickAsThieves;from the lips of frogs 540246;1393691558;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.05005714 = 1.4016 BTC [-] {2} 540247;1393691576;chetty;Upper house to demand recall of Moscow ambassador to U.S. 540248;1393691613;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-crisis-putin-gets-parliamentary-approval-for-military-use-1.2556228 540249;1393691614;ozbot;Ukraine crisis: Putin gets parliamentary approval for military use - World - CBC News 540250;1393691625;nubbins`;eep 540251;1393691802;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00549999 = 0.154 BTC [+] 540252;1393691863;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09799997 = 0.196 BTC [+] {2} 540253;1393691865;asciilifeform;nubbins`: love the weasel man in that piece 540254;1393691870;asciilifeform;there is no grey 540255;1393691912;nubbins`;ukraine or homeless guy? 540256;1393691925;ThickAsThieves;http://imgur.com/4lPPqXa 540257;1393691925;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 540258;1393692014;asciilifeform;http://thepolitikalblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/ukraine-linguistic-division.jpg 540259;1393692080;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people-who-have-ideas-ie-idiots/ 540260;1393692081;ozbot;Pro idiotas, which obviously means, people who have ideas. Ie, idiots. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce 540261;1393692107;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02001759 = 0.4004 BTC [-] {6} 540262;1393692158;mircea_popescu; like i dont own any <<< lol 540263;1393692168;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00530003 = 0.2915 BTC [-] 540264;1393692184;nubbins`;TBF some guy on the street offers me a joint, i say yes 540265;1393692190;nubbins`;but that's just because i live where i do 540266;1393692232;mircea_popescu;not as a 9yo girl 540267;1393692253;nubbins`;as a 9yo girl, i say i'm 9 and what is this 540268;1393692263;mircea_popescu;"can i suck your c0k instead ?" 540269;1393692290;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 233 @ 0.00522431 = 1.2173 BTC [-] {4} 540270;1393692317;nubbins`;maybe not 540271;1393692320;nubbins`;hard to say 540272;1393692336;ThickAsThieves;i must admit i almost bought shares in bourse cuz jurov 540273;1393692344;ThickAsThieves;but upon reading it i couldbnt justify 540274;1393692351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0051007 = 0.5101 BTC [-] {4} 540275;1393692354;nubbins`;"But my curren PC is old and noise and it waking up wife and children when I working at night" heh 540276;1393692359;mircea_popescu;so you can think with head. congratulations, you should be on -assets. 540277;1393692371;nubbins`;sounds like he needs a new fan, not a new macbook pro 540278;1393692405;mircea_popescu;he cant open it and clean it 540279;1393692409;mircea_popescu;lest he voids the warranty 540280;1393692438;mircea_popescu;i should have linked him to my epic pics of me fixing laptop board in mexico hotel room, with solder shavings, safety pin and lighter. 540281;1393692466;wao-ender;I didnt buy when I read their prospectus.. 540282;1393692474;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00020499 = 0.205 BTC [+] 540283;1393692477;nubbins`;omg guise i've been selected for a free cruise to the bahamas! 540284;1393692484;nubbins`;all i need to do is press 1 now 540285;1393692487;mircea_popescu;say yes 540286;1393692489;nubbins`;or press 9 to decline 540287;1393692492;mircea_popescu;(because of where you happen to live) 540288;1393692522;nubbins`;if this woman approached me on the street, sure 540289;1393692526;nubbins`;long-distance phone call, nope 540290;1393692534;nubbins`;i don't take drugs from strangers over the phone either ;( 540291;1393692549;mircea_popescu;you woudn't download a joint ? 540292;1393692552;asciilifeform;press 'FO' instead. 540293;1393692555;asciilifeform;http://www.beatriceco.com/bti/porticus/bell/images/66dial6c_reduced_size.jpg 540294;1393692556;nubbins`;if only i could 540295;1393692570;nubbins`;well, that's not entirely honest 540296;1393692577;nubbins`;you can kind of download a joint 540297;1393692583;mircea_popescu;3d printed joints 540298;1393692587;mircea_popescu;on blotter paper. 540299;1393692598;nubbins`;i need to start producing blotter art. 540300;1393692601;nubbins`;money in that 540301;1393692608;mircea_popescu;well maybe not exactly money... 540302;1393692641;nubbins`;http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_nkw=blotter+art 540303;1393692642;ozbot;blotter art | eBay 540304;1393692666;nubbins`;not set up to perforate paper tho 540305;1393692672;ThickAsThieves;"This is not going to be my life’s work." nice pitch 540306;1393692680;nubbins`;although tbf the perforated stuff doesn't really make the rounds anymore 540307;1393692685;nubbins`;tat, inorite? 540308;1393692709;ThickAsThieves;he basically says "I am useless" over and over 540309;1393692717;nubbins`;i am useless, pay me 540310;1393692750;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves part of the problem, of course, is epitomized in the word for barbarian 540311;1393692764;mircea_popescu;the greek idea was that "these people say nothing meaningful, may as well be sheep, bar bar" 540312;1393692771;nubbins`;"Well, so far I have an incorporated company that I own 100% of" 540313;1393692772;nubbins`;lel 540314;1393692775;mircea_popescu;obviously this isn't exactly true. 540315;1393692779;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.0200012 = 0.12 BTC [-] 540316;1393692780;nubbins`;"well so far i've spent a hundred dollars" 540317;1393692795;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if this is the same guy who emailed me a few days ago 540318;1393692809;mircea_popescu;it's not the quantum computing emulated on z80s if you mwan that one 540319;1393692846;mircea_popescu;that's a differnet, and much more sordid sort of nut. 540320;1393692856;ThickAsThieves;"Dear TAT, 540321;1393692857;ThickAsThieves;I am looking to do a fund raise for my business I would like to get your feedback on the best strategy to do so and the best way to reach the market. 540322;1393692857;ThickAsThieves;Kr, 540323;1393692857;ThickAsThieves;Malcolm O" 540324;1393692861;ThickAsThieves;that's the whole email 540325;1393692877;mircea_popescu;lol 540326;1393692882;mircea_popescu;wait, were you the recipient of the 540327;1393692886;mircea_popescu;o no, that was pankkake 540328;1393692894;mircea_popescu;with the promoting of BEKs. 540329;1393692932;ThickAsThieves;I tell him to get a clue in kinder words, he replies "im sorry im a bit confused are u saying if i have the business plan / interesting offering you can't help me or you can ?" 540330;1393692962;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/a-deal-can-be-anything/ 540331;1393692962;ozbot;A deal can be anything. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 540332;1393692968;mircea_popescu;talking of self-enforcing contracts 540333;1393692968;ThickAsThieves;no more replies from me 540334;1393692974;mircea_popescu;the mjr_ way : allign the fucking incentives. 540335;1393693024;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02000001 = 0.2 BTC [-] 540336;1393693025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.05109999 = 0.511 BTC [+] {4} 540337;1393693073;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves any idea what "kr," is supposed to be ? 540338;1393693083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05113 = 0.1023 BTC [+] {2} 540339;1393693085;ThickAsThieves;kind regards 540340;1393693091;ThickAsThieves;i assime 540341;1393693092;Duffer1;no offer of $$ for your expertise? 540342;1393693115;ThickAsThieves;that wouldnt be appropriate anyway 540343;1393693116;peterl;or better, btc for expertise? 540344;1393693141;ThickAsThieves;i dont even think about what i want til i know i want anything at all 540345;1393693149;peterl;maybe you should respond with a "I charge X btc for this type of advise"? 540346;1393693155;ThickAsThieves;nah 540347;1393693162;ThickAsThieves;i'm done helping asshole 540348;1393693162;ThickAsThieves;s 540349;1393693187;ThickAsThieves;at this point "customer" is a curse word to me 540350;1393693196;peterl;maybe he should open a forum thread, plenty of advise there ... 540351;1393693205;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.31766783 BTC to 3`517 shares, 65899 satoshi per share 540352;1393693205;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9529 @ 0.00086402 = 8.2332 BTC [-] {2} 540353;1393693315;ThickAsThieves;from my first job through my whole life, i've observed customers thinking they are entitled and more experienced at the task they are paying for 540354;1393693320;ThickAsThieves;can't take it anymore 540355;1393693356;mircea_popescu;o ic 540356;1393693411;ThickAsThieves;mp stahp linking romanian articles :( 540357;1393693412;mircea_popescu;peterl i think he actually has it superbly stated. "i dont even think about what i want til i know i want anything at all" 540358;1393693425;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves the rabi one i sfucking great. 540359;1393693432;mircea_popescu;someone should translate that thing. 540360;1393693490;nubbins`;[13:28:15] <@Anduck> I'm selling a 10BTC Casascius silver coin for 30 BTC. Pm me if you want to buy it. 540361;1393693492;nubbins`;:( 540362;1393693510;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02 = 0.12 BTC [-] 540363;1393693520;Anduck;nubbins`: want to buy it 540364;1393693522;Anduck;?? 540365;1393693532;peterl;that is a heck of a markup for a coin 540366;1393693535;nubbins`;^ 540367;1393693544;mircea_popescu;no he just wants to rage 540368;1393693564;peterl;the silver is what, 0.1 btc? 540369;1393693568;Anduck;10 BTC 540370;1393693572;nubbins`;mp has it 540371;1393693577;nubbins`;coin scalpers ;( 540372;1393693588;mircea_popescu;i doubt you can make a coin out of 60 dollars' worth of silver 540373;1393693600;mircea_popescu;4oz coins ftw 540374;1393693605;ThickAsThieves;can't i just buy a blank and put 10btc on it? 540375;1393693613;peterl;oh, sorry, mental math fail 540376;1393693626;nubbins`;http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/fine-silver-1-kilogram-coin-maple-leaf-forever-mintage-600-2013-prod1680018 540377;1393693627;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves this is numismatics not engineering 540378;1393693627;ozbot;Fine Silver 1 kilogram Coin - Maple Leaf Forever - Mintage: 600 (2013) 540379;1393693632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00086242 = 7.6324 BTC [-] 540380;1393693644;mircea_popescu;nubbins` didn't you canuk kooks make a 1 ton gold coin too ? 540381;1393693647;nubbins`;the bizarre part of all this is that you turned down an offer of 25btc 540382;1393693657;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, we have a nice mint and we're not afraid to use it :D 540383;1393693669;mircea_popescu;make solid wheels out of the stuffs 540384;1393693674;mircea_popescu;all rappers beeline to canada mint 540385;1393693686;mircea_popescu;TyreCoin 540386;1393693700;peterl;the alt-coin of the future! amazing! 540387;1393693700;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 540388;1393693702;nubbins`;http://www.mint.ca/store/mint/learn/million-dollar-coin-1600006#.UxIUAvRdVro 540389;1393693703;ozbot;Royal Canadian Mint Million Dollar Coin (2007) 540390;1393693703;nubbins`;100kg 540391;1393693710;nubbins`;99999 fine 540392;1393693719;peterl;I love assbot :) 540393;1393693732;ThickAsThieves;fancy 540394;1393693734;mircea_popescu;assamazing bot! 540395;1393693734;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 540396;1393693855;nubbins`;let me find a good quote 540397;1393693858;nubbins`;speaking of the mint 540398;1393693923;Duffer1;30btc?! good lord you could probably bribe casc to do a one off perfect replica for half that 540399;1393693942;Duffer1;brb 540400;1393693949;wao-ender;interesting http://pando.com/2014/02/28/pierre-omidyar-co-funded-ukraine-revolution-groups-with-us-government-documents-show/ 540401;1393693967;mircea_popescu;nice link! 540402;1393693969;nubbins`;[Former Liberal cabinet minister David] Dingwall was defending his right to a hefty severance package after stepping down from a six-figure salary as head of the Canadian Mint. His departure, which some say was forced, came after revelations surfaced about ... questionable expense claims" 540403;1393693994;nubbins`;Dingwall's proclamation to a parliamentary committee: "I am entitled to my entitlements!" 540404;1393693996;ThickAsThieves;nice garlic logo! 540405;1393693998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.08625 = 0.345 BTC [+] {2} 540406;1393693999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05113 = 0.1023 BTC [+] 540407;1393694003;nubbins`;Duffer1: not a funded one ;D 540408;1393694032;Duffer1;depends if he has an unsold priv key to attach to it... 540409;1393694080;nubbins`;anyway, Dingwall turned the mint from a black hole into a very profitable endeavor 540410;1393694088;nubbins`;he was, indeed, entitled to his entitlements 540411;1393694181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.09001052 = 0.36 BTC [+] {4} 540412;1393694194;mircea_popescu;nubbins` this is quite exactly why they fight his entitlements. 540413;1393694209;mircea_popescu;someone not deserving it they could stand, but someone who earned it they could never tolerate. 540414;1393694227;nubbins`;his expense claims turned out to be perfectly reasonable, in the meantime 540415;1393694243;nubbins`;it's not like he was a CANADIAN SENATOR or anything :D 540416;1393694281;mircea_popescu;wao-ender the best part about the pando link, by the way, is how cheap it all was 540417;1393694286;mircea_popescu;500k yearly budget, srsly ? 540418;1393694303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00086321 = 9.5816 BTC [+] 540419;1393694353;wao-ender;mircea_popescu: cheaper than invasion. 540420;1393694435;ThickAsThieves;Buffet: 'America’s best days lie ahead.' 540421;1393694450;ThickAsThieves;trolling in his last days 540422;1393694459;Duffer1;that must be why he bought recession proof heinz 540423;1393694463;mircea_popescu;was pretty epic that yeah lol 540424;1393694510;wao-ender;I like these US soft-skills. 540425;1393694518;nubbins`;so a friend of mine listens to this corny christian radio station that plays classical music 540426;1393694530;ThickAsThieves;see this is why i hate customers, after fixing this AM share mixup: "For this event, thank you very much for your cooperation.At the same time,As the responsible company, I hope you don't appear again similar mistakes !" 540427;1393694537;nubbins`;from earlier today: "so there's wind out there & that, and some roads are closed. not too warm out." 540428;1393694543;nubbins`;THANKS FOR THE UPDATE 540429;1393694572;mircea_popescu;wao-ender except if you dig into it, it was all soviets. 540430;1393694581;mircea_popescu;ex kgb's "languages" programme alumni 540431;1393694612;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves I hope you have learned your lesson son! 540432;1393694633;ThickAsThieves;yep, and the rub is this service is arguably provided for free 540433;1393694654;ThickAsThieves;free service brings much free advice 540434;1393694670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171 @ 0.00086321 = 0.1476 BTC [+] 540435;1393694717;mircea_popescu;the community! 540436;1393694737;ThickAsThieves;is buffet going senile? 540437;1393694744;ThickAsThieves;“Woody Allen stated the general idea when he said: ‘The advantage of being bi-sexual is that it doubles your chances for a date on Saturday night.’ Similarly, our appetite for either operating businesses or passive investments doubles our chances of finding sensible uses for our endless gusher of cash.” 540438;1393694794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 540439;1393694795;kakobrekla;hehe 540440;1393694797;mircea_popescu;this is a parody ? 540441;1393694798;kakobrekla;whats wrong with that 540442;1393694800;ThickAsThieves;Warren Buffett once said, “Diversification is protection against ignorance, it makes little sense for those who know what they’re doing.” 540443;1393694809;ThickAsThieves;no it's real 540444;1393694852;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.049125 = 0.1965 BTC [-] {3} 540445;1393694853;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.085875 = 0.3435 BTC [-] {3} 540446;1393694854;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-] {2} 540447;1393694857;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBSgpHQO-J4#t=101 540448;1393694857;ozbot;Seinfeld Clip - Kramer's Rickshaw Adventure - YouTube 540449;1393694867;ThickAsThieves;maybe he's giving cryptic hints to those that know him better 540450;1393694886;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves now that you've been here you cant stop thinking everyone's on his own -assets huh ? 540451;1393694887;ThickAsThieves;"Get out now, I've only got days left" 540452;1393694905;ThickAsThieves;well me and Occam are like this 540453;1393694915;*;ThickAsThieves crosses fingers 540454;1393694980;ThickAsThieves;you still remind me of him though 540455;1393694989;ThickAsThieves;“I must again confess that their investments outperformed mine. (Charlie says I should add “by a lot.”) If such humiliating comparisons continue, I’ll have no choice but to cease talking about them.” 540456;1393695034;mircea_popescu;lol. 540457;1393695069;ThickAsThieves;you have certainly said something very similar in trilema 540458;1393695074;ThickAsThieves;i forget about what 540459;1393695091;mircea_popescu;well yeah, but really it's neither me or him, it's just british. 540460;1393695096;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 540461;1393695098;ThickAsThieves;ah 540462;1393695104;ThickAsThieves;which neither of you are 540463;1393695106;mircea_popescu;a certain dry. 540464;1393695109;nubbins`;"Generally, for your own sake, you should spend most of your time not doing what you want to do, and especially so if you’re young." 540465;1393695114;nubbins`;well, at least i did that right 540466;1393695133;ThickAsThieves;that's a tricky statement 540467;1393695139;ThickAsThieves;can be taken the wrong way easily 540468;1393695141;mircea_popescu;it'd better be 540469;1393695145;mircea_popescu;it was on trilema after all. 540470;1393695155;ThickAsThieves;especially by a kid 540471;1393695158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0854999 = 0.171 BTC [-] {2} 540472;1393695159;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2} 540473;1393695185;ThickAsThieves;all the kids reading trilema, ohnoes! 540474;1393695200;nubbins`;heh. 540475;1393695208;nubbins`;well, if kids didn't take things the wrong way they wouldn't be kids 540476;1393695226;mircea_popescu;let them take it the wrong way, what. 540477;1393695237;nubbins`;i take that statement more as retrospective affirmation than an instruction 540478;1393695299;ThickAsThieves;Buffet insulting his successor “Ajit’s mind is an idea factory that is always looking for more lines of business he can add to his current assortment.” 540479;1393695591;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves usure that's successor ? 540480;1393695621;nubbins`;asciilifeform, http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/02/28/1937251/broadcom-releases-source-for-graphics-stack-raspberry-pi-sets-bounty-for-port 540481;1393695677;ThickAsThieves;not officially 540482;1393695699;ThickAsThieves;said to be possibly 540483;1393695712;mircea_popescu;yeah. i think it's moire for the political press than anything 540484;1393695726;mircea_popescu;buffett is disgustingly libertard in his senile age. 540485;1393695732;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw u saw that pando link ? 540486;1393695759;mircea_popescu;"Of the many problems that poses, none is more serious than the fact that Omidyar now has the only two people with exclusive access to the complete Snowden NSA cache, Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras. Somehow, the same billionaire who co-financed the coup in Ukraine with USAID, also has exclusive access to the NSA secretsand very few in the independent media dare voice a skeptical word about it." 540487;1393695769;mircea_popescu;that's not actually correct, but w/e. 540488;1393695790;mircea_popescu;mark ames is doing work. 540489;1393695950;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00539987 = 0.216 BTC [-] 540490;1393696194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.13311598 = 1.0649 BTC [-] 540491;1393696255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1200 @ 0.00020338 = 0.2441 BTC [+] {3} 540492;1393696421;nubbins`;"how often do you replace your running shoes?" -wife to roommate 540493;1393696426;nubbins`;stay tuned for answer 540494;1393696447;nubbins`;"i don't scuff, so i'd say about two months a pair" 540495;1393696449;nubbins`;:0 540496;1393696452;nubbins`;runners 540497;1393696455;*;nubbins` shakes head 540498;1393696478;mircea_popescu;this went over my head. 540499;1393696494;nubbins`;the roommate runs as a pastime 540500;1393696501;mircea_popescu;uh 540501;1393696507;mircea_popescu;what the fuck then ? 540502;1393696512;nubbins`;foot races, etc 540503;1393696539;nubbins`;i guess scuffers get less than two months out of a pair 540504;1393696551;mircea_popescu;if my passtimes required me to buy shoes 6 times a year i'd be pretty distraught 540505;1393696563;nubbins`;ehh, there are costlier pastimes 540506;1393696565;nubbins`;drinking, say 540507;1393696569;nubbins`;comic books 540508;1393696571;nubbins`;etc 540509;1393696599;nubbins`;it's funny, he actually takes a marker and writes the date of first use on the back of the heels 540510;1393696619;jurov;well, pro runners use very light and soft shoes, no wonder they wear off quickly 540511;1393696622;nubbins`;i've known people to do this to packs of cigarette papers, but not shoes 540512;1393696634;mircea_popescu;i guess i't just buy 24 pairs at a time 540513;1393696640;nubbins`;jurov, i picked up one of his shoes once, with eyes closed you'd almost never know you were holding anything 540514;1393696643;mircea_popescu;currently i buy 2-3 of shoes i like, 540515;1393696657;mircea_popescu;which i suppose reflects the normal lifetime of fucking leather shoes. 540516;1393696657;nubbins`;yeah, he buys 2-3 pairs at a time 540517;1393696780;BingoBoingo;http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/index.html 540518;1393696780;ozbot;27 killed in China railway attack - CNN.com 540519;1393696798;nubbins`;huh, new balance makes all their shoes in the US and UK 540520;1393696806;mircea_popescu;"The NFL's been handing out traumatic brain injuries for decades, but the moment Disney decided it needed the women that was the end of lockerroom hijinx. But until it completes the NFL's rebranding as a kinder, bully-free, concussionless game, complete with engagement rings and Us Weekly's "Ten Hunkiest White Or Articulate Quarterbacks", it's going to have to keep broadcasting Nashville. " 540521;1393696808;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha 540522;1393696836;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you see, sports ARE dead. cause they're trying to get women into the audience. 540523;1393696850;nubbins`;white or articulare 540524;1393696854;nubbins`;*articulate 540525;1393696857;nubbins`;ah, my sides 540526;1393696877;mircea_popescu;i guess you're white huh ? 540527;1393696896;nubbins`;well i'm hardly articulate 540528;1393696926;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00087159 = 11.1564 BTC [+] {3} 540529;1393696954;mircea_popescu;("You know, you could use an editor." You could use some free association, it may help you see unconscious connections which drive your life. "I find that weed helps." Amateur.) 540530;1393696973;mircea_popescu;person breaks fucking article to insert paranthetical diorama 540531;1393696974;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well football at the professional level it seems is. 540532;1393697011;nubbins`;see, the guy offering you a joint is just trying to make you a better writer 540533;1393697026;nubbins`;anyway, i gotta go 540534;1393697027;nubbins`;peace 540535;1393697048;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 85 @ 0.00261 = 0.2219 BTC [-] 540536;1393697250;benkay;mystical bitcoin! 540537;1393697253;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m82o2fLL3C1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 540538;1393697292;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.089 = 0.445 BTC [+] {3} 540539;1393697294;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2} 540540;1393697370;BingoBoingo;The NFL is trying to watch women the wrong way, anyways. Most of the women and girls I know favor this guy over the "All American" sort https://www.google.com/search?q=yadier+molina+tattoo&safe=off&client=ubuntu&hs=kyp&channel=fs&tbm=isch&imgil=_i-QdhSNVYsuXM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcTvSwzEK9Oe49mbzNu6AKJERZyAJuRbPbTzh2mITclXb6EW64AUDw%253B698%253B576%253BaQkQtdrU-z 540541;1393697370;BingoBoingo;pZUM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fclubtattoo.com%25252Fgallery%25252Fcelebrities%25252F&source=iu&usg=__yvyknxcx5w2FKbwWeA75o56rpIQ%3D&sa=X&ei=wSESU8wGk7jIAda2gYAJ&ved=0CCgQ9QEwAA&biw=1301&bih=678#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=_i-QdhSNVYsuXM%253A%3BaQkQtdrU-zpZUM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fclubtattoo.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2012%252F03%252Fyadier-molina-st.-louis-cardinal-catcher.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fclubtattoo.com%252Fgallery%2 540542;1393697370;BingoBoingo;52Fcelebrities%252F%3B698%3B576 540543;1393697405;benkay;BingoBoingo: that url's going to need a pastebin 540544;1393697461;BingoBoingo;benkay: http://clubtattoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/yadier-molina-st.-louis-cardinal-catcher.jpg 540545;1393697475;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00548875 = 0.1921 BTC [+] {2} 540546;1393697537;benkay;that's the new all american as far as this generation of babes are concerned, B 540547;1393697561;mircea_popescu;babes = what ? 17yos ? 22yos ? 540548;1393697597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00087158 = 4.7937 BTC [-] 540549;1393697597;benkay;well 'this generation' would be the agerange boss 540550;1393697621;benkay;'babes' is just a personal generic for wimmins 540551;1393697629;mircea_popescu;guy looks kinda perennial to me tbh. 540552;1393697639;benkay;neck tattoos and all 540553;1393697640;benkay;? 540554;1393697640;mircea_popescu;that much different from say swayze ? 540555;1393697646;mircea_popescu;a, that's important ? 540556;1393697658;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10926 @ 0.00087365 = 9.5455 BTC [+] 540557;1393697667;benkay;to a nation that favors the image over the substance maybe 540558;1393697683;benkay;you're the anthropologist tho 540559;1393697684;mircea_popescu;i guess clearly i'm not a woman. 540560;1393697697;mircea_popescu;i suppose pigeons can readily distinguish male from female pigeons. i can not. 540561;1393697724;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m82nxm2tHJ1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg lets to pics instead. 540562;1393697743;BingoBoingo;Neck tattoos, arm tattoos, probably less visible tattoos. Still, he hit .319 last year 540563;1393697758;benkay;dude on the left with the fag 540564;1393697804;mircea_popescu;so which'd be the yadier-molina-est guy in that pic ? 540565;1393697819;mircea_popescu;let's play "help evil ai MP infiltrate human society", a society game. 540566;1393697842;benkay;what's the -est? puerto rican? 540567;1393697861;benkay;ambiguous like bitcoin price 540568;1393697861;mircea_popescu;-est wants to mean most like. 540569;1393697872;benkay;but on which axis/es? 540570;1393697879;mircea_popescu;also, you can readily guess that shot is in europe : women smile at naked girl walking down the street. 540571;1393697885;mircea_popescu;benkay now how would i know. 540572;1393697902;BingoBoingo;blue shirt bald head near the van 540573;1393697922;mircea_popescu;not short sleeved mid dork / 540574;1393697943;mircea_popescu;i guess george really has it, baldness is now in style. 540575;1393697960;benkay;BingoBoingo: 'cause he's dark? 540576;1393698049;BingoBoingo;benkay: More cause he looks like he is going to stab someone of they obstruct his view of dat ass 540577;1393698109;benkay;give us another one, mi 540578;1393698110;benkay;mircea_popescu: 540579;1393698120;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m82ny7nOWP1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 540580;1393698255;BingoBoingo;Prolly the guy on the tv 540581;1393698270;benkay;HAW 540582;1393698287;benkay;SO THESE MYSTICAL BITCOINS 540583;1393698297;benkay;spring is for teh lulz 540584;1393698313;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m82nxwBn5g1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg ? 540585;1393698341;benkay;fuck is on her head? 540586;1393698369;mircea_popescu;there's a joke that goes with that picture. 540587;1393698385;mircea_popescu;judge's wife, a tall beautiful woman is allegedly raped in a phone booth 540588;1393698387;mircea_popescu;by a midget. 540589;1393698394;ThickAsThieves;she's wearing a nigerian hat 540590;1393698396;mircea_popescu;who's at most tall enough to stick his nose in her snatch 540591;1393698418;mircea_popescu;at trial they can't quite establish HOW he'd have done it, so in spite of all the scandal guy walks free. 540592;1393698430;mircea_popescu;judge buys the guy drinks and asks him to pls tell him wtf. 540593;1393698436;mircea_popescu;so the midget tells him : with the pot, yo. 540594;1393698446;mircea_popescu;i put a pot on her head and fucked her holding the handles. 540595;1393698465;ThickAsThieves;:/ 540596;1393698492;mircea_popescu;in retrospect, perhaps one of the more offensive romanian jokes out there. 540597;1393698510;benkay;http://instantrimshot.com/ 540598;1393698510;ozbot;Welcome to Instant Rimshot 540599;1393698543;benkay;oh come now, i want to hear actually offensive romanian jokes now 540600;1393698554;mircea_popescu;sorry. 540601;1393698634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05110304 = 0.4088 BTC [-] {4} 540602;1393698944;mircea_popescu;benkay https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/439831247175835648 540603;1393698949;mircea_popescu;there's a start. 540604;1393699140;ThickAsThieves;irlol 540605;1393699244;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00548898 = 0.7959 BTC [+] 540606;1393699395;mircea_popescu;However, not all women are the target demo of Randi's lip synching, the CEO of General Dynamics is a woman, I think she has a higher security clearance than the entire Senate, and I know for a fact she builds alien spaceships, why not interview her about how she uses social media to promote her brand and make connections and break ceilings? Because there's no Like button for hard work or triple integrals, which is do 540607;1393699395;mircea_popescu;ubly interesting because calculus was invented to make hard work easier. "I just don't get math." Can't do math if you weren't taught to think logically, and logic is tough on kids' self esteems and makes them way less submissive, easier just to put on a video. 540608;1393699427;mircea_popescu;this is pretty spot-on, i do think phebe novakovic has moar clearance than most of the senate. 540609;1393699488;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09799997 = 0.196 BTC [+] 540610;1393699549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25526 @ 0.00086429 = 22.0619 BTC [-] {3} 540611;1393699734;Jere_Jones;I'm having trouble with a word in mp's pro-idiotas article. "intraductibility" 540612;1393699791;Jere_Jones;What does it mean? Best I can find is that it is a french-ish word meaning "un-translate-able". 540613;1393699809;mircea_popescu;that, pretty much, with a twist of intractability. 540614;1393699846;Jere_Jones;"A complex thing that can not be translated"? 540615;1393699873;mircea_popescu;a thing that can't be translated due its complexity. 540616;1393699883;Jere_Jones;Ah 540617;1393699910;mircea_popescu;your wife'll never be able to explain to you WHY she loves you, 540618;1393699915;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00088186 = 0.1764 BTC [+] 540619;1393699916;mircea_popescu;not because she doesn't nor because you're an idiot 540620;1393699922;mircea_popescu;but because... well... it's hers. 540621;1393700036;Jere_Jones;*Why* she loves me is intraductible. <- Correct usage? 540622;1393700048;Jere_Jones;Except for the spelling 540623;1393700053;mircea_popescu;yeah :p 540624;1393700065;Jere_Jones;Thanks 540625;1393700096;ThickAsThieves;seems like an easy target for "something so absract it doesn't exist" 540626;1393700107;mircea_popescu;course it doesn't exist. 540627;1393700110;mircea_popescu;until someone loses an eye. 540628;1393700134;ThickAsThieves;well i always say, if it's that complicated, you're solving the wrong problem 540629;1393700160;mircea_popescu;it's just a condiment, really. 540630;1393700176;benkay;"mmm! this problem has a lovely hint of complexity." 540631;1393700183;mircea_popescu;if you never meet such complexity you're not doing a too good job of thnking 540632;1393700190;Jere_Jones;Like ketch-urd? 540633;1393700204;ThickAsThieves;not quite what i mean by it 540634;1393700218;ThickAsThieves;just sometimes beating your head against well is merely that 540635;1393700223;ThickAsThieves;wall* 540636;1393700231;mircea_popescu;a that for sure. 540637;1393700251;mircea_popescu;but you know, suppose you didn't for whatever reason have the ability to evaluate content. 540638;1393700269;ThickAsThieves;still applies i guess 540639;1393700284;ThickAsThieves;solving the wrong problem, cuz incapable 540640;1393700291;ThickAsThieves;solve simpler ones first 540641;1393700297;mircea_popescu;like you're an alien from a different herbertian space. 540642;1393700306;mircea_popescu;you STILL can distinguish pulp books from good books 540643;1393700319;mircea_popescu;by the criterion that "it is pulp all which includes no intraducible complexity" 540644;1393700333;mircea_popescu;you don't actally need to be able to at all understand what they say for this purpose. 540645;1393700404;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09799997 = 0.196 BTC [+] 540646;1393700443;ThickAsThieves;are all things already experienced thus pulp? 540647;1393700467;ThickAsThieves;no i guess not 540648;1393700479;ThickAsThieves;all things masterd are 540649;1393700479;mircea_popescu;notrly. just bad retellings of them 540650;1393700489;mircea_popescu;kinda what pulp is, actually. "a bad retelling of history" 540651;1393700498;benkay;bitcoinpulp.org 540652;1393700647;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones da fuck is ketch-urd ? 540653;1393700668;benkay;ketch-ard 540654;1393700670;Jere_Jones;ketchup and mustard mixed together 540655;1393700689;mircea_popescu;o o that. 540656;1393700696;mircea_popescu;incidentally : urda is a muchly loved romanian soft cheese 540657;1393700712;mircea_popescu;which i definitely recomend everyone tries. 540658;1393700740;kakobrekla;ketchurd? id prefer majvar. 540659;1393700777;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla вурда 540660;1393700781;mircea_popescu;sort-of ricotta-ish 540661;1393700815;kakobrekla;aha 540662;1393700887;ThickAsThieves;i used to like feta some, dry and salty 540663;1393700915;mircea_popescu;feta is great 540664;1393700917;mircea_popescu;but the greek stuff. 540665;1393700924;ThickAsThieves;also super sharp stuff 540666;1393700930;ThickAsThieves;mimouette etc 540667;1393700957;ThickAsThieves;mimolette* 540668;1393701002;davout;you guys are all the jon snows of cheese 540669;1393701039;mircea_popescu;is that a good thing ? 540670;1393701043;ThickAsThieves;no idea 540671;1393701049;ThickAsThieves;out in the cold? 540672;1393701050;davout;you know nothing 540673;1393701058;davout;such fail 540674;1393701068;ThickAsThieves;well we know what we like so far 540675;1393701072;ThickAsThieves;what more can you ask for 540676;1393701075;mircea_popescu;eh gtfo, romanian cheeze rules! 540677;1393701084;mircea_popescu;smelly french cheezperialistsa 540678;1393701090;davout;haha 540679;1393701113;mircea_popescu;if it weren't for camembert we wouldn't even be on speaking terms 540680;1393701120;ThickAsThieves;not like we're in france, where every corner of the body produces exotic cheeses 540681;1393701146;kakobrekla;i can attest ro cheese is not bad 540682;1393701165;davout;ThickAsThieves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lputqogvqI 540683;1393701180;davout;the commercial for the famous french "dick cheese" 540684;1393701197;davout;aka "fromage de bite" 540685;1393701211;ThickAsThieves;nasty lol 540686;1393701230;ThickAsThieves;they all have dick heads too 540687;1393701256;KRS-One;Richard Cranium? 540688;1393701318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 196 @ 0.00055056 = 0.1079 BTC [-] 540689;1393701362;ThickAsThieves;i haz idea 540690;1393701367;benkay;it sucks 540691;1393701377;kakobrekla;it blows 540692;1393701387;ThickAsThieves;do a tell-all post about how we discovered what happened to Gox coins 540693;1393701392;ThickAsThieves;all pointing to altcoin chain 540694;1393701404;ThickAsThieves;as publicity stunt 540695;1393701430;kakobrekla;do we have 750k atc? 540696;1393701441;ThickAsThieves;could muster surely 540697;1393701451;jurov;lol, 800k btc sent to atc wallet by mistake? 540698;1393701462;ThickAsThieves;hehe 540699;1393701478;ThickAsThieves;advice everyone to make ATC wallets 540700;1393701483;ThickAsThieves;to unlock the keys 540701;1393701486;mircea_popescu;advise! 540702;1393701494;ThickAsThieves;yes 540703;1393701513;jurov;bitcoin foundation was too ashamed to admit itis possible 540704;1393701520;ThickAsThieves;you guys teached me teh IRC speak 540705;1393701525;ThickAsThieves;dont make me change now 540706;1393701601;mircea_popescu;bitcoin foundation come out with a BFL statement yet ? 540707;1393701624;mircea_popescu;or did their murk lawyer advise they;'re not to discuss two major scams the same week 540708;1393701632;kakobrekla;what bfl statement? 540709;1393701632;ThickAsThieves;pulp http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/26/tech/innovation/dogecoin-cryptocurrency-tech-irpt/ 540710;1393701672;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you know, all about how bfl is a serious biznis that has the foundation's seal of approval. 540711;1393701703;ThickAsThieves;i didnt learn about how the Alydian thing panned out til yesterday 540712;1393701705;kakobrekla;but what did bfl do this time around? 540713;1393701714;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla seen their site recently ? 540714;1393701717;kakobrekla;no 540715;1393701752;ThickAsThieves;wow they are still selling preorders of those PCI cards 540716;1393701766;ThickAsThieves;pure evil 540717;1393701784;kakobrekla;as expected 540718;1393701799;ThickAsThieves;"Butterfly Labs has shipped more ASIC products than all competitors combined" 540719;1393701823;ThickAsThieves;haha it has a James Gibson testimonial 540720;1393701832;ThickAsThieves;"As a fairly early Bitcoin adopter and institutional miner, the choice for mining hardware comes down to innovation. Who is going to have the experience and best technology going forward to keep me ahead of the curve? The fact that BFL has a proven chip design, combined with their innovations in form factor and node size means that they will be hard to beat moving forward." 540721;1393701832;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla o it's back ? 540722;1393701832;ThickAsThieves;James Gibson - GigaVPS 540723;1393701836;mircea_popescu;they had deleted it earlier. 540724;1393701846;kakobrekla;deleted the website? 540725;1393701849;mircea_popescu;yeah. 540726;1393701849;ThickAsThieves;"institutional miner" 540727;1393701853;kakobrekla;O_o 540728;1393701889;kakobrekla;yes, 16 year old scammer kiddo is also institution. 540729;1393702014;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z9djc/where_did_butterflylabs_go/ 540730;1393702014;ozbot;Where did ButterflyLabs go? : Bitcoin 540731;1393702040;kakobrekla;to hang out with pirate in hawaii 540732;1393702073;mircea_popescu;"Site is back. Panic over." 540733;1393702076;mircea_popescu;logically. 540734;1393702087;mircea_popescu;for instance if my roof disappeared and then came back 540735;1393702093;mircea_popescu;i'd be all like "o... ok" 540736;1393702103;mircea_popescu;roofs do that. 540737;1393702155;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it's funny, too. coinlab nao has moneyz to seed start-ups 540738;1393702206;ThickAsThieves;"Alydian doesn't have employees or an office, but it reimburses CoinLab for the work it has done in the mining process." 540739;1393702224;ThickAsThieves;"What I see is a debtor that has absolutely zero existence," Judge Overstreet said. "I want to make sure that when we do this world-wide advertising [to promote an auction] we are not misrepresenting to the world what we have to sell, because the integrity of the bankruptcy process is at stake." 540740;1393702239;ThickAsThieves;lol 540741;1393702267;ThickAsThieves;only Coinlab could have someone worrying about the "integrity" of bankruptcy 540742;1393702277;mircea_popescu;lol 540743;1393702291;ThickAsThieves;"I'm not satisfied that there isn't some hiding of information," she said. 540744;1393702298;ThickAsThieves;ythink? 540745;1393702316;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, We are part of a transformation of Bitcoin mining, said Hans Olsen, CEO of Alydian. Alydian has developed an enterprise-scale Bitcoin 540746;1393702320;ThickAsThieves;they ended up paying off their biggest unhappy customer 540747;1393702324;ThickAsThieves;fuck everyone else 540748;1393702381;ThickAsThieves;if yer gonna support scammers, at least have a big enough wallet for a lawyer i guess 540749;1393702397;ninjashogun;hi everyone 540750;1393702405;mircea_popescu;except people with large wallets do not want to support scammers. 540751;1393702431;mircea_popescu;well, maybe with the exception of government 540752;1393702435;mircea_popescu;the jury's still out on that one. 540753;1393702440;ThickAsThieves;so it's really a lesson for scammers, quantity over quality 540754;1393702452;mircea_popescu;defo. 540755;1393702477;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.581101 = 1.1622 BTC [+] {2} 540756;1393702539;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 102 @ 0.0032 = 0.3264 BTC [-] {5} 540757;1393702672;mircea_popescu;;;later tell copumpkin incidentally, you ever read http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/01/randi_zuckerberg.html ? 540758;1393702673;gribble;The operation succeeded. 540759;1393702677;mircea_popescu;and i guess that goes for cads too 540760;1393703209;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23467 @ 0.00086367 = 20.2677 BTC [-] 540761;1393703369;BingoBoingo;"Viral" content at work http://speakingofresearch.com/2014/02/27/fact-into-fiction-why-context-matters-with-animal-images/ 540762;1393703436;KRS-One;lol gainesville sun..i used to live in gainesville..quite the college party town. i almost stayed there living the life. 540763;1393703514;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00548898 = 0.2744 BTC [+] {2} 540764;1393703589;benkay;showing a baby picture to a man is an aggressive act because it demands a reaction, you showing him a picture of your baby is entirely for your benefit and not at all for his, it is a dare, in much the same way as a woman on a first date telling you she doesn't play games is a dare, a dare you shouldn't take, trust me on this, overpay the check in cash and run. 540765;1393703813;ThickAsThieves;benkay only dates WoW sluts 540766;1393703972;BingoBoingo;This is prolly my favorite last psychiatrist post http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/07/the_most_important_article_on.html 540767;1393703980;KRS-One;haha 540768;1393703980;benkay;nah i only date women who cook 540769;1393703986;KRS-One;.bait 540770;1393703987;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/9c8d5e766c4ea7ebb08889761a1ec966/tumblr_mn3fmelpxY1r3yc8oo1_1280.jpg 540771;1393703994;KRS-One;Mmmm 540772;1393704185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 705 @ 0.00086234 = 0.6079 BTC [-] 540773;1393704666;mircea_popescu;<benkay> nah i only date women with cock << wut ?! 540774;1393704795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2358 @ 0.00085998 = 2.0278 BTC [-] 540775;1393704953;ThickAsThieves;how else can he "date" them, must count the rings! 540776;1393705022;ThickAsThieves;no good deed... http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/01/284397588/creation-museum-bill-nye-debate-sparked-funding-miracle 540777;1393705076;ThickAsThieves;give an idiot the time, and he takes the whole damn day 540778;1393705189;BingoBoingo;The thing about science/bitcoin/whatever is people can believe whatever they want, while reality generally doesn't give a shit. 540779;1393705255;ThickAsThieves;well i'd rather see that money go to netflix subsciptions or whatever the hell else it may have gone to instead 540780;1393705275;ThickAsThieves;but at least theyre keeping it in the family... 540781;1393705344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-] {2} 540782;1393705404;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves of course, none of it has anything to do with miracles or nye or the debate or anything. 540783;1393705415;mircea_popescu;the us is simply awash in newly printed dollars. 540784;1393705649;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.005489 = 0.1921 BTC [+] 540785;1393705734;mircea_popescu;sooo... kraken suspends all usd deposits. 540786;1393705740;mircea_popescu;that lasted long. 540787;1393705772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29625 @ 0.00085973 = 25.4695 BTC [-] {2} 540788;1393705806;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=488669.0;all << pretty lulzy cryptoscam drama 540789;1393705808;ozbot;WARNING Cryptostocks.com INVESTORS SECURITY FLAW 540790;1393706398;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=491283.msg5452146#msg5452146 540791;1393706399;ozbot;Roger Ver, bless him, tells that Gox is going bankrupt 540792;1393706405;mircea_popescu;should be interesting to see how this goes. 540793;1393707014;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhnJABJCMAAwZ1b.png:large << the us health system in ten thousand words 540794;1393707357;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04966666 = 0.149 BTC [+] {2} 540795;1393707845;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.086999 = 0.174 BTC [+] {2} 540796;1393708213;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 540797;1393708455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04890001 = 0.2445 BTC [-] {3} 540798;1393709065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.04780287 = 0.5736 BTC [-] {4} 540799;1393709127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.04706874 = 0.3765 BTC [-] {3} 540800;1393709187;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.04628927 = 0.648 BTC [-] {4} 540801;1393709248;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.04516153 = 0.5871 BTC [-] {2} 540802;1393709309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60469 @ 0.00085692 = 51.8171 BTC [-] {4} 540803;1393709493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149 @ 0.00084325 = 0.1256 BTC [-] 540804;1393709553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.0008424 = 16.848 BTC [-] 540805;1393709583;kakobrekla;seems thermos does not want to reply to my ban complaint 540806;1393709610;kakobrekla;cant even buy my way out of this one it seems 540807;1393709611;deadweasel;you got rebanned? who won the pool? 540808;1393709621;mircea_popescu;o shit we had a pool didn't we 540809;1393709629;kakobrekla;whut? 540810;1393709659;deadweasel;i'm not sure it made it out of suggestion stage, but the logs will tell 540811;1393709668;kakobrekla;i dont recall making any votes 540812;1393709675;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0008424 = 4.212 BTC [-] 540813;1393709676;kakobrekla;or bets 540814;1393709682;kakobrekla;or anything 540815;1393709697;mircea_popescu;we had the desire to have a pool ? 540816;1393709705;deadweasel;possibly. 540817;1393709818;mircea_popescu;so berkshire just had its 4th worst year in a 48 year history 540818;1393709892;mircea_popescu;while simultaneously making 18.2%, which is sorta midway (average returns 19.7%) in nominal terms 540819;1393709919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.09788314 = 0.2936 BTC [+] 540820;1393709926;mircea_popescu;the difference being that s&p made 32.4%, which is like... 3x averages over the period. 540821;1393709932;mircea_popescu;clearly the us has no inflationary problem at all. 540822;1393709951;mircea_popescu;it's just that 20% a year doesn'tmanage to keep up with inflation, that's all. 540823;1393709980;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00055805 = 0.5581 BTC [+] {10} 540824;1393710102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.045 = 0.27 BTC [-] 540825;1393710285;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6501 @ 0.00084325 = 5.482 BTC [+] 540826;1393710285;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.04318768 = 0.691 BTC [-] {3} 540827;1393710346;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.04297826 = 0.9885 BTC [-] {3} 540828;1393710674;Duffer1;lol NATO what the fuck on earth could they possibly do... 540829;1393710713;Duffer1;nato is exactly what i'd imagine a reddit army to look like 540830;1393710730;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: huh? I used the exact same pubkey the first time I signed up (I even forwarded my original email) and it worked for over a year! 540831;1393710773;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.0415 = 1.245 BTC [-] {3} 540832;1393710834;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.04052687 = 0.6484 BTC [-] {2} 540833;1393710835;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.60927987 = 11.5763 BTC [+] {11} 540834;1393710879;mircea_popescu;copumpkin hm, i guess needs a closer look this. 540835;1393710956;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.615 BTC [+] 540836;1393710968;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: I can try re-exporting it from my keychain and send you that. I just repeated the original email this past time 540837;1393710980;copumpkin;let me do that, in case the copy and paste corrupted it somehow 540838;1393711018;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.06999998 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2} 540839;1393711021;mircea_popescu;turns out it did. lots of html cruft 540840;1393711029;mircea_popescu;that's why it choked. 540841;1393711043;mircea_popescu;send a clean version will you 540842;1393711065;copumpkin;doing it now :) sorry! 540843;1393711098;mircea_popescu;somehow it didn't occur to me to check for
earlier. 540844;1393711131;copumpkin;hmm, I should probably just make it plain text 540845;1393711140;copumpkin;oh well, if this one breaks too I'll do that 540846;1393711384;mircea_popescu;"That kind of commitment was nothing new for us: Weve been making similar wagers ever since Buffett 540847;1393711384;mircea_popescu;Partnership Ltd. acquired control of Berkshire in 1965. For good reason, too. Charlie and I have always considered 540848;1393711384;mircea_popescu;a bet on ever-rising U.S. prosperity to be very close to a sure thing. 540849;1393711384;mircea_popescu;Indeed, who has ever benefited during the past 237 years by betting against America? If you compare our 540850;1393711385;mircea_popescu;countrys present condition to that existing in 1776, you have to rub your eyes in wonder. And the dynamism 540851;1393711389;mircea_popescu;embedded in our market economy will continue to work its magic. Americas best days lie ahead. 540852;1393711390;mircea_popescu;" 540853;1393711410;mircea_popescu;ahahah gotta love the fact that a 90 yo guy in nebraska is pretty much the only one left still believing this. 540854;1393711424;mircea_popescu;to the degree he sounds trollish, even 540855;1393711439;Duffer1;how far the mighty have fallen 540856;1393711456;Duffer1;dementia is so sad 540857;1393711469;mircea_popescu;who's to know, he was right before. 540858;1393711509;mircea_popescu;anyway, not entirely accurate. numerous times people benefited, sometimes immensely, by betting against the us. 540859;1393711584;BingoBoingo;Well, Buffet generally bets slow and safely. I mean buying the trains was a great move on his part. 540860;1393711611;mircea_popescu;sure. 540861;1393711706;mircea_popescu;auto insurance is great insurance to have, too, because you end up with just as much float as disaster, but much less risk. 540862;1393711810;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04093 = 0.2047 BTC [+] 540863;1393711816;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: did that one work? 540864;1393711833;mircea_popescu;copumpkin im not in a position to dick with it right nao. 540865;1393711840;copumpkin;ah okay 540866;1393711847;copumpkin;just curious, I'll be going offline again soon :) 540867;1393711850;copumpkin;but no rush 540868;1393711860;mircea_popescu;ya kk. 540869;1393711871;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04093 = 0.2047 BTC [+] 540870;1393711932;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04093 = 0.2047 BTC [+] 540871;1393711933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00548902 = 0.236 BTC [+] {2} 540872;1393712224;Duffer1;mircea_popescu if you're looking for an article today http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/01/opinion/nocera-the-bitcoin-blasphemy.html?hp&rref=opinion 540873;1393712237;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00548903 = 0.5489 BTC [+] 540874;1393712908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.61772984 = 9.2659 BTC [+] {8} 540875;1393712969;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [+] 540876;1393713162;ThickAsThieves;Duffer1, that article is poor. He begins painting a picture, but then he won't show us the finished piece. 540877;1393713186;ThickAsThieves;pretty much Bitcoin is neat, but it needs Gov 540878;1393713197;ThickAsThieves;he never argues how Gov would help 540879;1393713396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.62569998 = 4.3799 BTC [+] {6} 540880;1393713397;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.08510002 = 0.4255 BTC [-] {2} 540881;1393713457;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00569989 = 0.1026 BTC [+] 540882;1393713772;asciilifeform;re: raspberry pi: the news item is - a sham 540883;1393713776;asciilifeform;you still need a binary blob 540884;1393713778;asciilifeform;just a smaller one 540885;1393713795;asciilifeform;'Filtration System, a Marvel to Behold! It Removes 80% of Human Solid Waste!' 540886;1393713945;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 77 @ 0.0028097 = 0.2163 BTC [-] {4} 540887;1393714189;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0978431 = 0.3914 BTC [+] {2} 540888;1393714290;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu just answering this nonsense: ( benkay only dates WoW sluts) with some of my own 540889;1393714290;gribble;The operation succeeded. 540890;1393714404;wao-ender;r> oh and there's a russian warship docking in cuba now, mysteriously 540891;1393714423;asciilifeform;wao-ender: 3 days now 540892;1393714502;wao-ender;looks like information escalation, lot of folks calls this like ww3.. overrated. 540893;1393714860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00540011 = 0.162 BTC [-] {3} 540894;1393714982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00548902 = 0.4062 BTC [+] {3} 540895;1393715166;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 369 @ 0.00549961 = 2.0294 BTC [+] {5} 540896;1393715350;benkay;BingoBoingo: http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.577243 540897;1393715684;TestingUnoDosTre;Hey I need some help with a proposed bitbet that was rejected 540898;1393715780;TestingUnoDosTre;MMM / BTC above or equal to .2 on May 3 2014 Rejection reason: Consider submitting with substantial paid wager given peculiarity of proposition 540899;1393715806;artifexd;What is MMM? 540900;1393715846;TestingUnoDosTre;stock ticker MMM is 3M company 540901;1393715874;artifexd;And there is a place it is priced in BTC? 540902;1393715904;TestingUnoDosTre;no, its USD price cs BTC usd price 540903;1393715944;artifexd;So the bet outcome is determined by two (possibly compromised/influenced) feeds? 540904;1393715958;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04649929 = 0.1395 BTC [+] {3} 540905;1393715969;TestingUnoDosTre;compromised? 540906;1393716006;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: read this http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/ 540907;1393716051;artifexd;Thanks benkay. That was exactly along the lines I was thinking. 540908;1393716074;benkay;i know :) 540909;1393716137;TestingUnoDosTre;theres bets with btcs usd price on the website all thr time. can you expand? 540910;1393716154;benkay;well your bet comes after the data feeds are found to be useless. 540911;1393716210;TestingUnoDosTre;how so? 540912;1393716256;TestingUnoDosTre;the bet ends two weeks early 540913;1393716261;jurov;too much fake data 540914;1393716267;benkay;bet opening dates, TestingUnoDosTre. 540915;1393716317;benkay;other bets dependent on btc price were *placed* before feeds were found to be useless. your bet was placed after feeds found to be useless. your bet is rejected probably because now the mods know the price signal is fucked. previous bets were not because nobody knew the price signal was fucked. 540916;1393716318;benkay;yeah? 540917;1393716346;TestingUnoDosTre;how is bitstamp fucked? 540918;1393716357;benkay;did you read that link? 540919;1393716369;benkay;you should probably ask the relevant parties as indicated in the trilema piece. 540920;1393716507;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0054002 = 0.27 BTC [-] {2} 540921;1393716560;benkay;the easy answer is probably just to use bitcoin-central, but that'd just reek of cronyism. 540922;1393716621;benkay;beyond my pay grade 540923;1393716629;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08649999 = 0.173 BTC [+] 540924;1393716785;TestingUnoDosTre;that link is about MPoE options and counterparty risk, which thishas very little to do with. amiright? 540925;1393716832;TestingUnoDosTre;who is the authority to ask? 540926;1393716861;ThickAsThieves;whats the big question, doesnt it say to include a bet sum to get it accepted? 540927;1393716882;ThickAsThieves;do so 540928;1393716898;benkay;Even if one were to roll their own index : BTC-e is a rather dubious venture, still fondly remembered for their involvement in NovaCoin, the original altchain scamcoin and spotty reports of selective scamming. Bitstamp has two thumbs down from Matic for reasons I don’t fully grasp but then again I don’t really need to in that circumstance. I wouldn’t trust Kraken to hold as much as my spit, especially after their recent 540929;1393716899;benkay;bitdaytrade-esque failure and Jesse’s enthusiastic support of the well known and universally reviled Jared Kenna scammerx. There are some others out there, and they pop up and down like flies.xi 540930;1393716932;benkay;To make a long story short : there’s no way to obtain a price feed that could be relied on, currently. 540931;1393716950;benkay;all from the link 540932;1393716957;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: you gotta try harder, frere. 540933;1393716964;ThickAsThieves;bets dont need a reliable feed 540934;1393716967;ThickAsThieves;just a specific one 540935;1393716979;benkay;yeah there's that approach 540936;1393717023;TestingUnoDosTre;i used bitstamp, it was very specific 540937;1393717054;benkay;anyways, ThickAsThieves has it on the nose. mods say submit with substantial wager. 540938;1393717089;ThickAsThieves;basically bitbet is saying your bet is lame, but if you back it theyll list it 540939;1393717091;TestingUnoDosTre;i bet .5btc RIGHT AWAY 540940;1393717105;ThickAsThieves;aparently its not substantial enuf 540941;1393717124;TestingUnoDosTre;theres no reason i wont bet more, but I want to gage interest 540942;1393717134;ThickAsThieves;very little 540943;1393717141;ThickAsThieves;who cares about MMM? 540944;1393717148;ThickAsThieves;this is bitcoin 540945;1393717158;ThickAsThieves;you might get a TSLA bet thru 540946;1393717179;TestingUnoDosTre;if I just throw 2 btc out therr, im afraid no one takes interest until too late 540947;1393717188;ThickAsThieves;so is bitbet 540948;1393717199;benkay;the more you throw down the bigger the attraction on the other side, right? 540949;1393717221;ThickAsThieves;is this a hedge or something? 540950;1393717236;TestingUnoDosTre;it has to do with hedging a position... 540951;1393717239;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0056999 = 0.285 BTC [+] 540952;1393717255;TestingUnoDosTre;no shit sherlock 540953;1393717294;benkay;anyways 540954;1393717295;benkay;.bait 540955;1393717296;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/1a1ed612e474897bf32e321e52c9c235/tumblr_mmok5t2fL31r3yc8oo1_1280.jpg 540956;1393717303;benkay;.bait 540957;1393717304;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/286fa78a1511b1709a3834113c6720a6/tumblr_mmok9sGbOB1r3yc8oo1_1280.jpg 540958;1393717310;benkay;.bait 540959;1393717311;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/f53c1fd94980d4598264cdcd197169e3/tumblr_mn5k28W83q1qg7xwvo1_500.jpg 540960;1393717322;benkay;three strikes and you're out, ozbot. 540961;1393717339;TestingUnoDosTre;who can i talk to about this bet that will actually help out? 540962;1393717361;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2152 @ 0.0002 = 0.4304 BTC [+] 540963;1393717371;benkay;help? that's not really how bitbet works most of the time. 540964;1393717391;benkay;but you'd want to bother mircea_popescu or kakobrekla until they satisfy your curiosity 540965;1393717400;BingoBoingo;benkay: For the purposes I am looking for on the Betbet, I need to see unit patches and other things that affiliate these "Russian Soldiers" with units of a regular army. The backops unaffiliated, noncombatants (as per the Geneva convention definition) can't resolve that bet as yet. 540966;1393717411;benkay;oh, i know. 540967;1393717426;benkay;relevant to your interests is all, BingoBoingo. 540968;1393717443;BingoBoingo;benkay: I know. I've got Bitcoins at stake. 540969;1393717470;TestingUnoDosTre;hey kakobrekla are you here? 540970;1393717525;Duffer1;thickasthieves the article was terrible, was just pointing it out to MP if he needed something to hate on 540971;1393717544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0056999 = 0.57 BTC [+] 540972;1393717605;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.0056999 = 0.5244 BTC [+] 540973;1393717633;kakobrekla;hi TestingUnoDosTre , which part of the mods reply > "Rejection reason: Consider submitting with substantial paid wager given peculiarity of proposition" you have troubles with? 540974;1393717666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13916 @ 0.00084546 = 11.7654 BTC [+] {2} 540975;1393717727;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000204 = 0.204 BTC [+] 540976;1393717788;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5490 @ 0.00020499 = 1.1254 BTC [+] {4} 540977;1393717849;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0002051 = 0.2051 BTC [+] 540978;1393718054;benkay;on an entirely different topic, new site is up. http://survantjames.com 540979;1393718168;TestingUnoDosTre;my trouble is this. im willing to wager more as the bet develops, but .5 btc is more than most bets start with. i want to gage interest, see if theres an actual good payout, and wait maybe a week or few before i add more to the bet 540980;1393718233;TestingUnoDosTre;otherwise if theres no interest, i could get rocked 540981;1393718486;kakobrekla;why rocked? if you win you can lose 1% max 540982;1393718558;TestingUnoDosTre;if i lose... 540983;1393718581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0473 = 0.2365 BTC [+] {3} 540984;1393718615;BingoBoingo;Why not bet both sides? 540985;1393718635;kakobrekla;if you lose, you lose it all in all the cases 540986;1393718657;TestingUnoDosTre;maybe i will, later? 540987;1393718729;TestingUnoDosTre;i know i would lose it all, thats why I want to start small 540988;1393718886;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1055 @ 0.00010323 = 0.1089 BTC [+] {4} 540989;1393718948;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00084536 = 15.0051 BTC [-] 540990;1393718974;kakobrekla;well think about on how much you are willing to lose for your hedge and see what the market sez 540991;1393719009;kakobrekla;if the amount is too low for it to pass moderation, well that sucks then. 540992;1393719026;TestingUnoDosTre;thats exactly what i did 540993;1393719082;TestingUnoDosTre;and my wager was way more than most bets start with 540994;1393719165;kakobrekla;well the mods decided that it does not qualify apparently. 540995;1393719252;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [-] 540996;1393719259;BingoBoingo;Is the future of 3M really that big of a deal? 540997;1393719260;TestingUnoDosTre;well can i speak with one? 540998;1393719267;Duffer1;http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html 540999;1393719295;kakobrekla;not really but you can speak to me 541000;1393719319;TestingUnoDosTre;not entitely, but it does matter some 541001;1393719435;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4400 @ 0.000207 = 0.9108 BTC [-] 541002;1393719553;TestingUnoDosTre;so can you explain to amod that i intend to bet more, depending on how the market interacys with the bet? 541003;1393719692;ThickAsThieves;dude 541004;1393719701;kakobrekla;they will prolly see your line in the logs, not that it magically adds numbers to your initial wager 541005;1393719705;ThickAsThieves;youve been told every way what to do 541006;1393719708;ThickAsThieves;stahp 541007;1393719710;ThickAsThieves;or do 541008;1393719862;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.01988845 = 0.2585 BTC [-] {4} 541009;1393719881;ThickAsThieves;you know it's actually more beneficial to you to bet your full intended amount to start with 541010;1393719895;ThickAsThieves;assuming you make a weighte dbet 541011;1393719901;kakobrekla;anyway, now that we have come to the end of this support ticket, i will kindly ask you to leave feedback for our internal purposes. how slanderous / rude did you find our support experience? 541012;1393719923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.01950422 = 0.3316 BTC [-] {6} 541013;1393719936;ThickAsThieves;5, too supportive 541014;1393720106;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.0055 = 0.231 BTC 541015;1393720351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.000207 = 0.621 BTC [-] 541016;1393720472;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00540582 = 0.1892 BTC [-] {5} 541017;1393720510;TestingUnoDosTre;i understand the nature of weighted but there are market changes that could influence the results. what are my options? 541018;1393720533;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.00539615 = 0.2806 BTC [-] {2} 541019;1393720550;deadweasel;DON'T GAMBLE 541020;1393720555;deadweasel;oops, caps 541021;1393720583;deadweasel;i'm unaffliated with this bizness 541022;1393720600;TestingUnoDosTre;i want to HEDGE. very different 541023;1393720688;Duffer1;then bet X for your position and x for your hedge no? 541024;1393720777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8043 @ 0.00084543 = 6.7998 BTC [+] {3} 541025;1393720799;ThickAsThieves;well 541026;1393720801;ThickAsThieves;X and Y 541027;1393720803;ThickAsThieves;I hope 541028;1393720813;TestingUnoDosTre;heres my thing. i own mmm stock, want to a decent position of btc. this position is meant to hedge the scenario 541029;1393720839;ThickAsThieves;you lost a word 541030;1393720907;Duffer1;you can't buy calls/puts for that and just buy some btc? 541031;1393721061;BingoBoingo;I have trouble believing this wasn't linked yet http://trilema.com/how-to-cancel-your-bitbet-bet 541032;1393721082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1232 @ 0.00084619 = 1.0425 BTC [+] 541033;1393721315;ThickAsThieves;Employee of the Month! 541034;1393721407;BingoBoingo;Seriously nice walkthrough of why betting both sides and betting constantly is the best way to bitbet. 541035;1393721509;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2600 @ 0.000207 = 0.5382 BTC [-] 541036;1393721570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6824 @ 0.00085175 = 5.8123 BTC [+] {2} 541037;1393721631;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6000101 = 6.0001 BTC [-] {3} 541038;1393721684;BingoBoingo;This is the rebuttal to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2014#540148 I offer the valuable service of reading Trilema so other people don't have to 541039;1393721699;kakobrekla;fuck 541040;1393721706;kakobrekla;this is gold. http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=495083.msg5454711#msg5454711 541041;1393721724;kakobrekla;--- 541042;1393721725;kakobrekla;SCAM SITE. HE JUST RIPPED THE HTML FROM MY SITE BITCAPITAL.CO 541043;1393721725;kakobrekla;Same transactions and everything. DO NOT DEPOSIT. Visit http://bitcapital.co/ for the legitimate ponzi. 541044;1393721725;kakobrekla;YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. 541045;1393721726;kakobrekla;--- 541046;1393721738;Duffer1;o.o 541047;1393721777;ThickAsThieves;lolz 541048;1393721946;ThickAsThieves;The mistake is in thinking this has anything to do with the money. It's said that most at home traders fail, but this is incorrect: they fail at making money, but they are successful at feeling like a trader. That is the goal; the money is secondary, which is why they fail at making it. The buy/hold/reinvest the dividends strategy of Buffet is totally opposite to what's desired, 541049;1393721946;ThickAsThieves;because the strategy does not involve market timing or status updates, it is on autopilot, and there's no "i" in autopilot. Well, there's one, but it doesn't stand out. 541050;1393721946;ThickAsThieves;The trading activity itself-- the frantic activity-- keeps the rest of reality away. You're not your job-- you're something else. You're not your family, you're more than that. Things have the potential of possibly happening someday, and no work will have been necessary to accomplish it. Just you wait. 541051;1393721961;ThickAsThieves;thanks for showing me TLP folks 541052;1393722058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00527418 = 0.2954 BTC [-] {5} 541053;1393722115;ThickAsThieves;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/03/who_can_know_how_much_randi_zu.html 541054;1393722116;ozbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Who Can Know How Much Randi Zuckerberg Is Worth? 541055;1393722127;ThickAsThieves;the text after the graph is sweet too 541056;1393722134;ThickAsThieves;chart* 541057;1393722230;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Maybe start forum.bitcoin-assets.com? 541058;1393722241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00085402 = 6.1916 BTC [+] 541059;1393722241;BingoBoingo;Everyone banned forever. 541060;1393722258;ThickAsThieves;he already did 541061;1393722261;ThickAsThieves;you were banned 541062;1393722275;BingoBoingo;Only post is by kakobrekla, a photoshoop of Thermos sucking off a Gar 541063;1393722302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00572361 = 0.2289 BTC [+] {3} 541064;1393722303;kakobrekla;hm i dont have that one, just garr sucking off inaba 541065;1393722307;kakobrekla;but if you have it , ill use it. 541066;1393722404;BingoBoingo;I'll get to shooping 541067;1393722457;BingoBoingo;http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=cpfCOVIjag2JgM&tbnid=0278OCH9ob2uFM:&ved=0CAIQjBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fimages4.fanpop.com%2Fimage%2Fphotos%2F15500000%2FSHOOP-DA-WHOOP-all-about-gemini759-15578744-1920-1200.jpg&ei=UYQSU972HInlyAGXvIDACA&bvm=bv.62286460,d.aWc&psig=AFQjCNHYYmdOEaEo1V_0S-71pMbvdt0ymg&ust=1393808843390067 541068;1393722458;ozbot;Redirect Notice 541069;1393722749;kakobrekla;ok lel this 541070;1393722751;kakobrekla;www.ryblog.com/index.php?/archives/7-Did-PMC-Save-Bitcoin-Users-Billions.html 541071;1393722775;kakobrekla;;;later tell mircea_popescu ^^ since we were speaking of block reward going to 0 541072;1393722776;gribble;The operation succeeded. 541073;1393722951;ThickAsThieves;wow 541074;1393722963;ThickAsThieves;lol 541075;1393723019;kakobrekla;i think this may be the first useful thing that came out of altcoins 541076;1393723132;Duffer1;a hearty chuckle is always usefull 541077;1393723133;dignork;usefull, maybe in 120 years from now 541078;1393723157;kakobrekla;better find it now than in 121 years 541079;1393723195;kakobrekla;or as asciilifeform put it , invent the parachute before the jump 541080;1393723289;kakobrekla;i guess the bigger point was the insignificance of altcoins 541081;1393723329;kakobrekla;but if they fix one bitcoin bug, hey, it was worth it. 541082;1393723382;BingoBoingo;Looking for donor art for the shoop I found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alligator_Gar_6_Feet_129_lbs_Brazos_River_8_Nov_04a.jpg 541083;1393723401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00084765 = 6.6117 BTC [-] {2} 541084;1393723401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10999001 BTC [-] 541085;1393723426;kakobrekla;some fish. 541086;1393723436;BingoBoingo;It's Gar 541087;1393723441;kakobrekla;that one will be sleepin with the fishes. 541088;1393723451;BingoBoingo;Only because he is a gayfish 541089;1393723459;kakobrekla;:) 541090;1393723523;kakobrekla;http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=495311.0;topicseen 541091;1393723524;ozbot;Covering Porsche in BTC related logos to raise awareness? 541092;1393723538;kakobrekla;wtf, have a boxter but cant cover for the stickers 541093;1393723552;kakobrekla;i wonder if he can scrape for gas 541094;1393723566;kakobrekla;i kno i kno, just bitchin here cause i cant do it there :\ 541095;1393723705;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.00549999 = 0.1045 BTC [+] 541096;1393723827;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00549994 = 0.2915 BTC [-] 541097;1393723905;BingoBoingo;Gar and Thermos http://imgur.com/hiys5s2 541098;1393723927;kakobrekla;lol 541099;1393723949;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00549998 = 0.154 BTC [+] 541100;1393724315;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0875 = 0.175 BTC [+] 541101;1393724437;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.00549998 = 0.1045 BTC [+] {3} 541102;1393724543;BingoBoingo;The Pacific Northwest apparently has an increase in persons being born without brains http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/health/cohen-birth-defects/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 541103;1393724547;BingoBoingo;Literally. 541104;1393724803;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02126199 = 0.4252 BTC [+] {5} 541105;1393725018;KRS-One;oh cool 541106;1393725034;KRS-One;bet its from the japanese nuclear reactor disaster 541107;1393725047;KRS-One;i'm actually looking forward to some interesting sushi 541108;1393725306;Mats_cd03;radiation from that mess is negligible 541109;1393725406;Mats_cd03;although id love to eat a giant shark just as much as the next guy 541110;1393725429;BingoBoingo;Eh, the small sharks usually taste better. 541111;1393725535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00084535 = 8.8762 BTC [-] 541112;1393725779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2436 @ 0.00085283 = 2.0775 BTC [+] 541113;1393726608;badger__;TAT are you here? 541114;1393726676;BingoBoingo;badger__: ThickAsThieves spoke here recently 541115;1393726786;kakobrekla;in retaliation to vexuals nicki minaj links www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMKdVLQENSw 541116;1393726818;artifexd;;;gpg ident 541117;1393726818;gribble;Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None 541118;1393726831;artifexd;Sweet. :) 541119;1393727062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00085008 = 6.7156 BTC [-] {2} 541120;1393727098;BingoBoingo;Further incantations against Nicki Minaj https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CAOY80Gc_U 541121;1393727123;kakobrekla;yes, better! 541122;1393727187;kakobrekla;he mentioned he is afraid to die at 1.40 give or take. 541123;1393727264;BingoBoingo;Eh, things can be corrected 541124;1393727291;kakobrekla;at least i understand his concerns 541125;1393727292;BingoBoingo;Just needs more feels numb 541126;1393727303;kakobrekla;nikki, no fukin way in decrypting what she wants 541127;1393727319;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: That because she's too ratchet 541128;1393727336;BingoBoingo;Thankfully Activis discontinued purple drank 541129;1393727347;kakobrekla;lol 541130;1393727411;BingoBoingo;For serious, the cornerstone of Ratchet culture is no moar http://www.theangrypharmacist.com/archives/2014/02/purpocylpse.html 541131;1393727526;BingoBoingo;Putin can have his vicotry in Crimea, because Obama now has victory over Purple Drank 541132;1393727607;kakobrekla;hehe, i see bieber takes the credits 541133;1393727609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 468 @ 0.00549999 = 2.574 BTC [+] {3} 541134;1393727635;BingoBoingo;Maybe? 541135;1393727656;BingoBoingo;Nao with anti Beiber https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkbMd3Bygzs 541136;1393727687;kakobrekla;"hes going down or thousands will end up syruped up!" 541137;1393727698;BingoBoingo;Necessarily. 541138;1393727751;BingoBoingo;Still the war is prolly lost since Zohydro is likely to be a thing http://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2014/02/28/is-zohydro-the-super-potent-new-opiate-painkiller-just-too-dangerous/ 541139;1393727779;kakobrekla;the war? the war is lost when you start the battle. 541140;1393727788;KRS-One;http://i.imgur.com/sD4OySR.jpg 541141;1393727812;kakobrekla;meh captions over face 541142;1393727820;kakobrekla;such fail 541143;1393727829;KRS-One;did not make but like 541144;1393727834;KRS-One;such sexy 541145;1393727835;KRS-One;.bait 541146;1393727837;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzqyogvkhi1r4mleso1_500.jpg 541147;1393727847;KRS-One;had to make my eyes feel better 541148;1393727914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00084535 = 2.8319 BTC [-] 541149;1393727919;kakobrekla;BingoBoingo you know how the saying goes, "opiates and circuses" 541150;1393727939;asciilifeform;not to be confused with 'opiate of the masses' ? 541151;1393727940;kakobrekla;or was it bread? not sure. 541152;1393727957;kakobrekla;hehe 541153;1393727985;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Sure, what lacks tylenol just makes you higher. 541154;1393728605;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/reichstag-fire-in-kiev.html 541155;1393728605;ozbot;ClubOrlov: Reichstag Fire in Kiev 541156;1393728624;KRS-One;tylenol is evil 541157;1393728646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 21 @ 0.00634856 = 0.1333 BTC [-] {4} 541158;1393728730;BingoBoingo;KRS-One: I prefer Naproxen. 541159;1393728740;mod6;(17:12) < kakobrekla> www.ryblog.com/index.php?/archives/7-Did-PMC-Save-Bitcoin-Users-Billions.html << hrm. 541160;1393728775;mod6;I can't prove this bug from some small test code that basically replicates the GetBlockValue function. 541161;1393728793;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Come on Massachussets hasn't been part of Real America since 1798 541162;1393728795;artifexd;It is cpu and compiler dependent 541163;1393728834;kakobrekla;i havent checked 541164;1393728846;artifexd;mod6 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3394259/weird-behavior-of-right-shift-operator 541165;1393728914;*;mod6 reviews 541166;1393728968;BingoBoingo;Moar anti-Minaj https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNhlRtRXAHk 541167;1393729012;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00541338 = 0.1949 BTC [-] 541168;1393729022;kakobrekla;imo neutralization was successful. 541169;1393729073;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00084535 = 1.3526 BTC [-] 541170;1393729131;BingoBoingo;Minaj can leave residue though 541171;1393729306;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3levGGMS-ns 541172;1393729306;ozbot;John Krane - Guaranteed - YouTube 541173;1393729316;BingoBoingo;Must scrub the pipes thoroughly 541174;1393729439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00084517 = 24.9325 BTC [-] {4} 541175;1393729571;BingoBoingo;So... like Litecoin is completely forgetten? What should I move that hedge I had in Litecoin into? 541176;1393729617;Duffer1;btc paper wallet 541177;1393729646;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: This is my hedge against anti SHA2 black magic 541178;1393729671;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: So BTC and ATC are out of the picture 541179;1393729680;Duffer1;iunno gold maybe? 541180;1393729686;the20year2;whores and blow 541181;1393729731;Duffer1;turn it into cash and buy scrypt mining solutions 541182;1393729747;Duffer1;effectively hedge with every alt coin 541183;1393729792;BingoBoingo;Eh, maybe I should just buy people, or tractors (the two are in this price range fungible) 541184;1393729831;mod6;ok, weird. i didn't get it with '>>=', but did get it when I broke it out into a sub roll of `newSubsidy = (nSubsidy >> timesToRoll);` 541185;1393729835;mod6;0Times to roll: 64 541186;1393729837;mod6;5000000000Times to roll: 65 541187;1393729872;Duffer1;tractors? 541188;1393729873;pankkake;attack against the proof of work will just make better miners exploiting the attack 541189;1393729886;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: You know, farm equiptment 541190;1393729890;pankkake;proof of work changes are mostly a misunderstanding 541191;1393729906;pankkake;and these attacks would have to beat asics or be asic-able 541192;1393729931;pankkake;what you should worry about is ECDSA 541193;1393729933;pankkake;not SHA 541194;1393729961;Duffer1;is ecdsa vulnerable? 541195;1393729971;pankkake;no, but if it is, we are in trouble 541196;1393729973;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: Prolly 541197;1393729977;pankkake;whereas if sha is, we're not 541198;1393730005;BingoBoingo;Well, right now the BIG worry is an attach that beats RIPEMD and ECDSA 541199;1393730034;pankkake;eheh, putting your bitcoin in addresses were never used is another layer of security I guess 541200;1393730050;pankkake;I mean, that never made a transaction out of it 541201;1393730158;pankkake;reminder http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/12/android_bug_batters_bitcoin_wallets/ 541202;1393730174;BingoBoingo;Right, outgoing transactions are the only transactions tht can weaken addresses. 541203;1393730556;mod6;actually, think i might have not started from the right spot, because with that second part, this seems more correct: 541204;1393730559;mod6;Times to roll: 63 => 0 541205;1393730562;mod6;Times to roll: 64 => 5000000000 541206;1393730564;mod6;Times to roll: 65 => 2500000000 541207;1393730576;*;mod6 ponders 541208;1393730659;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.0054135 = 0.1353 BTC [+] {3} 541209;1393730833;mod6;https://dpaste.de/20cr 541210;1393730835;ozbot;dpaste.de: Snippet #259271 541211;1393731076;mod6;guess it would hvae been more clear to just do this: for(; nHeight < (subsidyHalvingInterval * 100); nHeight += subsidyHalvingInterval, count++) { 541212;1393731079;mod6;but w/e 541213;1393731086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00085336 = 8.9603 BTC [+] {2} 541214;1393731086;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00541337 = 0.3356 BTC [-] {2} 541215;1393731306;BingoBoingo;I'm not totally sure, but I think I have just found the most dangerous product listed on Amazon 541216;1393731307;BingoBoingo;http://www.vitaminlife.com/product-exec/PNAME/DMSO-70--Concentrated-30--Water/product_id/62198?utm_source=Amazon&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=AmazonProductAds&CA_6C15C=520007010000074180 541217;1393731309;ozbot;VitaminLife.com: DMSO DMSO 70% Concentrated 30% Water - 8 oz Liquid - Arthritis Support 541218;1393731363;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: perhaps also the most dangerous product at your corner pharmacy 541219;1393731401;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, corner pharmacy only sells it as a cream, and health food store only sells it to 30$ concentrate 541220;1393731414;BingoBoingo;*30% concentrate 541221;1393731469;BingoBoingo;DMSO has always been great though in that it can turn any drug into a topical drug 541222;1393731531;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: read the old logs, where i described a case of seeing this in person. 541223;1393731556;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I remember those logs, I was the one who supposed DMSO as a problem 541224;1393731585;asciilifeform;all the samples, if i recall, shipped in it. 541225;1393731621;BingoBoingo;In some situations it is literally a lifesaver 541226;1393731659;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2013#378362 541227;1393731662;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 541228;1393731665;BingoBoingo;A lot of actually efficacious concoctions for arthritis demand it. 541229;1393731668;asciilifeform;for anyone who wasn't reading that day 541230;1393731752;BingoBoingo;I would one day like to consume sashimi 541231;1393731774;BingoBoingo;By having a DMSO solution piured over it at intervals, until the shark is me 541232;1393731969;BingoBoingo;Right now I am rather disappointed I can't find 6% H2O2 solution 541233;1393731980;dignork;mod6, with clang and gcc on intel shift underflow cycles: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9301585 541234;1393732286;B007;dignork: mind explaining a bit? 541235;1393732306;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0928 = 0.6496 BTC [+] {2} 541236;1393732350;mod6;thx dignork 541237;1393732439;dignork;B007, scroll back the channel, there was something about altcoin which was fully premined and then started to give full block reward 541238;1393732456;B007;ok thanks 541239;1393732550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0928 = 0.3712 BTC [+] 541240;1393732908;BingoBoingo;Ticket was filed as ticket 2/2 of flaws which might fatally threaten BTC 541241;1393732929;BingoBoingo;Ticket 1/2 was the original payment protocol 541242;1393733038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.591 BTC [-] 541243;1393733089;BingoBoingo;Flaws in Bitcoin bound to human flaws though are denoted a Aleph-sub-count, so Pirateat40 was Aleph-sub-0, MtGox is Aleph-sub-1 541244;1393733404;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.0008471 = 8.1322 BTC [-] 541245;1393733462;BingoBoingo;It should suffice to say that the error in Bitcoin whereby vaccum insulated bottles control web forums is Aleph sub Aleph 541246;1393733465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00551201 = 0.3197 BTC [-] {2} 541247;1393734581;BingoBoingo;So I just finished an implementation of a BTC client, is anyone interested in testing it? (Warning any balances it can access will be sent to 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4) 541248;1393734624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.09497084 = 0.3799 BTC [+] {2} 541249;1393735112;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00084512 = 1.3099 BTC [-] 541250;1393735112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 55 @ 0.00618962 = 0.3404 BTC [-] {7} 541251;1393735722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00084629 = 10.3671 BTC [+] 541252;1393735865;B007;BingoBoingo: lol nice address 541253;1393735879;BingoBoingo;Thank you B007 541254;1393735901;B007;how long did that take to generate 541255;1393735926;BingoBoingo;B007: Not too lond the s was a serendipitous bonus 541256;1393735968;BingoBoingo;I searched for 6 characters and was delivered a great seventh 541257;1393735979;B007;nice 541258;1393736027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 965 @ 0.0002075 = 0.2002 BTC [+] 541259;1393736057;BingoBoingo;This new thing is dedicated to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Axelrod 541260;1393736074;B007;I'll test it if linux compatible 541261;1393736296;BingoBoingo;B007: It is multiplatform compatibable, just make all of your base send balance to 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4 and wait for the blowjobs 541262;1393736338;BingoBoingo;Tested on OpenBSB, Solaris 8, WIndows 3.1, and Mac OS 7.5.1 541263;1393736357;BingoBoingo;Also A/UX, but who else used that in the first place? 541264;1393736367;B007;wait this is a joke 541265;1393736370;B007;m kay 541266;1393736385;BingoBoingo;B007: A joke is what you make it. 541267;1393736416;B007;I would send blowjobs to 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4 if I could 541268;1393736442;BingoBoingo;I wonder if there is an altcoin named blowjobs. 541269;1393736476;artifexd;I know of sexcoin and fuckcoin. Haven't heard of BlowJobCoin. 541270;1393736486;BingoBoingo;Neither have I 541271;1393736555;Mats_cd03;coin will rue the day 541272;1393736596;BingoBoingo;Mats_cd03: Have you seen twister, tornoders rue the day, coins just try to pick up the pieces later 541273;1393736610;B007;http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/01/07/2134242/how-to-create-your-own-cryptocurrency 541274;1393736611;ozbot;How To Create Your Own Cryptocurrency - Slashdot 541275;1393736657;Mats_cd03;no wat r tornoders? 541276;1393736683;BingoBoingo;Mats_cd03: Tornaders are the fuckers that tried to smash my roof last week. 541277;1393736703;BingoBoingo;(The roof won that fight) 541278;1393736723;Mats_cd03;o those, did you tell the 50 541279;1393736733;B007;BingoBoingo: Chicago? 541280;1393736736;Mats_cd03;fkin juveniles 541281;1393736759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00551201 = 0.5512 BTC [-] 541282;1393736762;BingoBoingo;B007: Same state, much, much further south. You know like in actual civilized country 541283;1393736800;B007;ok well I havn't been to Chicago 541284;1393736810;BingoBoingo;EH, I've been. 541285;1393736815;BingoBoingo;Not much in CHicago 541286;1393736822;BingoBoingo;Kind of a shit city 541287;1393736835;BingoBoingo;They have an open fucking sewer 541288;1393736838;B007;I live in So Cal so 541289;1393736846;B007;open sewer? wtf? 541290;1393736865;BingoBoingo;B007: The entire Chicago river is an open sewer 541291;1393736883;Mats_cd03;I read once that Chicago is top three for most corrupt policymakers in murica 541292;1393736902;Mats_cd03;I say...good on them 541293;1393736908;BingoBoingo;Used to go to Lake michigan, but now goes from lake Michigan to the Illinois river 541294;1393736951;BingoBoingo;All their shit goes there, and they dye it green for St patties 541295;1393736955;Mats_cd03;does it smell more like a river or a trash barge 541296;1393737005;BingoBoingo;My sense of smell was blunted last few trips, but the name Chicago comess from a "How" Injun term for Onion stink 541297;1393737059;BingoBoingo;I may have also propelled a couple stoamach fulls of Onion stink into the river... 541298;1393737177;BingoBoingo;South Chicago though... Makes East St Louis look like fucking Town and Country or Naperville 541299;1393737233;BingoBoingo;Too much thieves among honor has always been Chicago's flaw 541300;1393737979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.0055 = 0.154 BTC [+] {2} 541301;1393738101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.0055 = 0.264 BTC [-] 541302;1393738223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00084512 = 3.3382 BTC [-] 541303;1393738345;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04783333 = 0.1435 BTC [+] {2} 541304;1393738833;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.00554999 = 0.1498 BTC [+] {2} 541305;1393739382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.0008479 = 15.7285 BTC [+] {4} 541306;1393739870;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 152 @ 0.00088186 = 0.134 BTC [-] 541307;1393739992;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00088186 = 0.2205 BTC [-] 541308;1393740541;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 38 @ 0.0055 = 0.209 BTC 541309;1393740724;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00556819 = 0.5568 BTC [+] {3} 541310;1393740785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00557999 = 0.2567 BTC [+] {2} 541311;1393742127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00085012 = 7.056 BTC [+] {2} 541312;1393742676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12389 @ 0.00085032 = 10.5346 BTC [+] 541313;1393743713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 541314;1393743774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00084966 = 10.026 BTC [-] 541315;1393744201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11388 @ 0.00085168 = 9.6989 BTC [+] {2} 541316;1393744384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00551201 = 1.1024 BTC [-] 541317;1393745299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 111 @ 0.07985905 = 8.8644 BTC [-] {23} 541318;1393745421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7167 @ 0.00085226 = 6.1081 BTC [+] {2} 541319;1393746702;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00084808 = 11.7883 BTC [-] {2} 541320;1393746946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 500 @ 0.0002075 = 0.1038 BTC [+] 541321;1393747008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.06999688 = 0.56 BTC [-] {5} 541322;1393747647;Neil;Eligius has really come back to take quite a slice of the mining pool pie 541323;1393747690;mircea_popescu;Neil what's it got ? 20% ? 541324;1393747718;Neil;22% now. Up a lot from when it was 2-3% 541325;1393747735;mircea_popescu;back before luke was vouching for imaginary bfl deliveries, yeah. 541326;1393747739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0055 = 0.165 BTC 541327;1393747740;Neil;mircea_popescu: Was just reading the MPOE Feb statement and trying to understand it. Are you implying that Gox were deliberately trying to screw you over last month? Or just that their shenanigans might have had that effect? 541328;1393747774;mircea_popescu;hm, how do you reason to come to either of those ? 541329;1393747802;Neil;I guess I don't understand it. Note #vi 541330;1393747846;mircea_popescu;ah. yeah, it's conceivable that keeping the entire thing on respirators so the price may reach 135 was in some way realted. 541331;1393747874;mircea_popescu;it'd seem that a sane business person, as well as anyone even vaguely aware of the legal implications of twi would have cut the pie on the 15th rather than on the 25th 541332;1393747890;mircea_popescu;then again a strong case can be made that karpeles & co are neither, so i guess we'll never know. 541333;1393747893;Neil;Agreed 541334;1393747937;Neil;I got screwed by the 1 Mar $150 Gox price thang on bitbet. That was my only loss. 541335;1393747962;mircea_popescu;hard to say, but i would guess it would have been resolved the same way if mtgox was simply closed anyway. 541336;1393748045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 11 @ 0.06999689 = 0.77 BTC [+] 541337;1393748559;mircea_popescu;copumpkin you should be fine 541338;1393748715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61724849 = 1.2345 BTC [+] {2} 541339;1393749569;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.071 = 0.284 BTC [-] {2} 541340;1393749874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [-] {2} 541341;1393751498;mircea_popescu;;;later tell TestingUnoDosTres the idea is that if you make some bet that doesn't seem likely to interest anyone but you, you are expected to lay btc on it. if it doesn't interest you to the degree of actually laying btc on it, then it has no place in this world. 541342;1393751498;gribble;The operation succeeded. 541343;1393751508;mircea_popescu;bitbet is a betting site not a social media site. 541344;1393751587;mircea_popescu;;;later tell TestingUnoDosTres also, if you're concerned about one sidedness, you can just as well bet the other side too once the bet is accepted. this way you're now a bookie, and if you have any clue about MMM or w/e subject of your bet enough to line it correctly this can be a livelihood for you. 541345;1393751588;gribble;The operation succeeded. 541346;1393751754;cazalla;damn, 150 gox paid well 541347;1393751755;mircea_popescu;;;later tell TestingUnoDosTres also to help you understand the economics of the situation, bitbet puts 0.1 btc of its own on any accepted bet. btc charges 1% of pool. if the pool isn't 10btc, bitbet is making a loss on this score. this doesn't strictly mean you must plunk down 10 btc or else, but definitely 0.x btc aren't in the zone in most cases. 541348;1393751756;gribble;The operation succeeded. 541349;1393751762;cazalla;Neil: how were you screwed? 541350;1393751765;mircea_popescu;jesus im later telling a novbel to this guy 541351;1393751788;mircea_popescu;cazalla you don't say. bet 1 btc a year ago, worth $30, 541352;1393751795;mircea_popescu;win 20 btc today, worth $12k 541353;1393751796;mircea_popescu;or w/e 541354;1393751988;cazalla;what's the best pay out to date? 541355;1393752003;cazalla;bfl delivery? 541356;1393752029;mircea_popescu;you mean as largest pool paid ? some difficulty bet recently 541357;1393752034;mircea_popescu;the bfl one was the biggest for a while 541358;1393752073;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/ 541359;1393752075;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014 541360;1393752080;mircea_popescu;you can search by "bets sum" on site 541361;1393752142;cazalla;i guess diff one relative to USD is far bigger 541362;1393752154;cazalla;at the time of pay out anyway 541363;1393752170;mircea_popescu;fun fact : bitbet has had 28 bets weith a total pool over 100 btc 541364;1393752258;mircea_popescu;"Vice President Joe Biden tried to convince a young Canadian woman to sign up for Obamacare" 541365;1393752273;mircea_popescu;"but you'll get free contraception! we can fuck all the time!" 541366;1393752305;cazalla;speaking of politicians 541367;1393752322;cazalla;that milf from alaska called ukraine 5 years ago 541368;1393752330;mircea_popescu;sort-of 541369;1393752346;mircea_popescu;notreally that milfy is she ? 541370;1393752386;cazalla;i think so 541371;1393752393;cazalla;then again, once you go black, we don't want you back 541372;1393752408;mircea_popescu;uh. she's got a black bf ?! 541373;1393752411;cazalla;re: glen rice 541374;1393752432;cazalla;apparently she banged glen rice and did coke with him back in the day 541375;1393752442;mircea_popescu;"Same transactions and everything. DO NOT DEPOSIT. Visit http://bitcapital.co/ for the legitimate ponzi." ahahaha this shit is epic. 541376;1393752468;cazalla;heh i saw that last night when doing site: on websites 541377;1393752469;mircea_popescu;cazalla i thought any young woman is legally required to gangbang and do coke 541378;1393752472;mircea_popescu;as part of college. 541379;1393752484;cazalla;their faq still has ponzi.io as part of the title tag 541380;1393752498;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00530243 = 0.3924 BTC [-] {5} 541381;1393752503;mircea_popescu;lmao 541382;1393752619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7077 @ 0.00084888 = 6.0075 BTC [+] 541383;1393752660;cazalla;is coke part of the college experience or is that just how they sell it 541384;1393752694;mircea_popescu;sell what, college or coke ? 541385;1393752710;cazalla;college 541386;1393752716;mircea_popescu;generally it's part of a girl's becoming a woman to shag some older rich dude, which is how she gets coke. 541387;1393752725;cazalla;yes i read this on your site 541388;1393752734;mircea_popescu;generally older rich dudes don't bother with stupid girls, which is why it correlates with college 541389;1393752749;mircea_popescu;but i suppose the correlation ain't that strong 541390;1393752763;cazalla;so smart girls use coke? 541391;1393752780;mircea_popescu;smart women used coke back when they were girls. 541392;1393752814;mircea_popescu;donna c0xoke lol 541393;1393752818;cazalla;my wife thinks she is smart 541394;1393752826;cazalla;yet has never used any drugs 541395;1393752854;cazalla;"if you want to be happy for the rest of your life" 541396;1393752865;mircea_popescu;well... maybe your wife's a prudish sort. 541397;1393752870;cazalla;she is 541398;1393752871;mircea_popescu;she ever gb ? 541399;1393752907;cazalla;if she did, she would not be my wife but FWB 541400;1393752948;mircea_popescu;well so then good for you. 541401;1393752953;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves epic quote that, where's it from ? 541402;1393752979;mircea_popescu;ah, tlp. yeah, shocking huh. 541403;1393753023;cazalla;but i don't have enough money/coins for smart women who did coke 541404;1393753026;cazalla;at least not yet 541405;1393753046;mircea_popescu;well, are you fifty yet ? 541406;1393753062;cazalla;barely 30 so the night is young 541407;1393753070;mircea_popescu;there you go. too young yet anyway. 541408;1393753107;cazalla;50 would actually be ideal as our son would be an adult by then 541409;1393753133;mircea_popescu;how it works for most people. 541410;1393753144;cazalla;i imagine there are many men praying bitcoin makes them rich so they can leave their wives 541411;1393753165;mircea_popescu;there are men praying all sorts of things happen so they can leave their wives. 541412;1393753174;chetty;nah its the wives who are praying ... 541413;1393753178;wao-ender;^that's why I dont have wife. 541414;1393753193;wao-ender;let there be just w/ benefits. 541415;1393753197;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves incidentally, that article is illustrative of why im pretty much convinced the last psych is a woman. her obsession with randi zu smacks me of she-envy. 541416;1393753197;cazalla;i didn't want one either wao-ender 541417;1393753220;mircea_popescu;wao-ender gotta make kids somehow tho. 541418;1393753258;wao-ender;mircea_popescu: there so many ways, like to adopt one 541419;1393753261;mircea_popescu;i suppose black girls can cope with this entire "women as a cattle herd maintained by the state" with satellitary men fucking them from the edges, much like chimps live in the wild 541420;1393753266;mircea_popescu;white girls tho... not really. 541421;1393753269;wao-ender;I'd like to have kids, but I didnt find any responsible wife yet.. 541422;1393753282;cazalla;but given i want kids who aren't degenerate SJW fags, i figured it best my wife and I have a traditional family 541423;1393753299;cazalla;wao-ender: adopt? you willingly be cuckolded? 541424;1393753319;mircea_popescu;wao-ender i prefer adopting them once they're nubile. 541425;1393753324;mircea_popescu;much more pleasant & convenient. 541426;1393753347;wao-ender;hehe 541427;1393753395;cazalla;wao-ender: i'm interested why you would want to adopt, assuming you are a man 541428;1393753429;*;MisterE is really sick of 560 541429;1393753444;wao-ender;well, I've been already helping in some orphanages 541430;1393753456;wao-ender;and I like help some of that kids, who will deserve kinda better life 541431;1393753471;cazalla;i am usually suspicious of men who do that 541432;1393753537;mircea_popescu;cazalla you know, just because you didnt make it doesn't mean it sucks. 541433;1393753547;mircea_popescu;what's this, biological "not invented here" syndrome ? 541434;1393753574;cazalla;i'm not saying it sucks 541435;1393753592;cazalla;but why would any man give away resources for children that are not his 541436;1393753613;cazalla;i am selfish but i don't think that's my reasoning 541437;1393753635;mircea_popescu;why is it not his ? 541438;1393753657;mircea_popescu;are my slaves not mine because some other people toiled with them for their early years ? 541439;1393753659;cazalla;it's not his blood 541440;1393753666;mircea_popescu;neither is yours. 541441;1393753689;cazalla;you fkc and i pick up the tab? no thanks 541442;1393753699;mircea_popescu;so how is your blood yours ? 541443;1393753711;cazalla;my genetics 541444;1393753717;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00084932 = 11.8055 BTC [+] {3} 541445;1393753717;mircea_popescu;how are they "my" ? 541446;1393753727;cazalla;because they come from me 541447;1393753731;wao-ender;god particles? 541448;1393753735;mircea_popescu;if i make you wear a rock around your neck for the rest of your life, is it now your rock ? 541449;1393753742;mircea_popescu;or is it it my rock im forcing you to carry ? 541450;1393753773;mircea_popescu;wao-ender yeah something like that. 541451;1393753779;cazalla;i don't know 541452;1393753790;mircea_popescu;well... i mean you can't change this blood of yours, can you 541453;1393753796;mircea_popescu;so saying it's yours seems a little of a push. 541454;1393753798;cazalla;i could argue both but educate me 541455;1393753813;mircea_popescu;all i'm sayin' is that by your reasoning, the farmer shouldn't plow the field 541456;1393753822;mircea_popescu;because the grain is fucking and he's picking up the bill. 541457;1393753827;mircea_popescu;sure, he is. he's also picking up the crop. 541458;1393753829;cazalla;i think he should because he gains the benefit of his hard work 541459;1393753838;mircea_popescu;right-o. 541460;1393753846;cazalla;what benefit do i gain raising another child 541461;1393753855;mircea_popescu;well, the grown child. 541462;1393753866;cazalla;i don't see the benefit 541463;1393753869;cazalla;not to me anyway 541464;1393753877;mircea_popescu;so you don't. doesn't mean it doesn't or can't exist neh ? 541465;1393753895;cazalla;i think it does for women 541466;1393753900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00550778 = 0.3305 BTC [-] {2} 541467;1393753901;mircea_popescu;what's the benefit to you of making your own kids. not like you eat them later or anything. 541468;1393753915;cazalla;but why does the lion kill anothers cubs 541469;1393753923;wao-ender;^ my kids can be your kids. 541470;1393753928;punkman1;he just wants to harvest their organs 541471;1393753937;dignork;mircea_popescu actually you do, you assume they'll support you when you old 541472;1393753938;mircea_popescu;to get the lionesses in heat 541473;1393753949;mircea_popescu;dignork i don't think anyone sane really does that tbh. 541474;1393753983;wao-ender;well, yeah, someone taking kids like passive long-term investment 541475;1393753988;dignork;mircea_popescu it's a common assumption afaik, stupid one, i know 541476;1393753988;cazalla;so it's charity as per your charity article? 541477;1393753991;wao-ender;in return like 60years. 541478;1393754005;mircea_popescu;cazalla it oculd be, sure. 541479;1393754016;mircea_popescu;anyway, women don't benefit from having kids, that's for sure. if anything it makes them dumb. 541480;1393754022;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 114 @ 0.00549904 = 0.6269 BTC [-] {3} 541481;1393754058;cazalla;but i would wager when it comes to adoption, women are more inclined unless the man is infertile or has some strange cuckold fetish he wants to make real 541482;1393754083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.00551201 = 0.1488 BTC [+] 541483;1393754084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00613 = 0.3065 BTC [-] 541484;1393754247;mircea_popescu;i don't imagine adoption is generally as sexual as you represent it. 541485;1393754289;dignork;but there is a subject in wikipedia: "Cuckoldry as a fetish", awesome! 541486;1393754337;wao-ender;i'm taking it more like moral/social help 541487;1393754345;mircea_popescu;dignork i suspect a majority of men actually would enjoy their lives more as desexualised betas than play-pretend sexual alphas anyway. 541488;1393754379;mircea_popescu;reproductive traits are a serious draw on biological systems. 541489;1393754413;mircea_popescu;for that matter, plenty of women would rather be fat than good at pole dancing. 541490;1393754422;cazalla;wao-ender: i wonder why i think it's a commendable act but abhorrent for myself to do such a thing 541491;1393754451;mircea_popescu;cazalla what if you have a daughter and she becomes a public rape slut ? 541492;1393754477;cazalla;this is why i was so happy to have a son 541493;1393754502;dignork;cazalla there are men-sluts as well 541494;1393754505;cazalla;i guess it wouldn't matter as i wouldn't expect much from a daugther anyway 541495;1393754506;wao-ender;^ 541496;1393754509;mircea_popescu;well, don't take it the wrong way but i think you have some issues there :) 541497;1393754514;cazalla;i wouldn't like it but that's the reality 541498;1393754535;mircea_popescu;what if your son becomes a faggot who spends all his money (from govt dole) to pay aids infected homosexuals to roughly fuck him ? 541499;1393754552;cazalla;i'd kill myself 541500;1393754559;cazalla;the shame! 541501;1393754581;dignork;cazalla, how does your son behaviour reflects on you? 541502;1393754587;cazalla;tbh as long as we raise him right, i don't think things like that would ever be an issue 541503;1393754601;cazalla;whether he is straight as an arrow or flaming homosexual 541504;1393754626;cazalla;dignork: it reflects on me as a parent 541505;1393754632;dignork;cazalla you just assume that your influence is a major player in his development 541506;1393754638;cazalla;it is 541507;1393754648;mircea_popescu;lmao 541508;1393754683;cazalla;why else is the a disparity between fathered and fatherless children 541509;1393754686;cazalla;there* 541510;1393754693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.0052221 = 0.1828 BTC [-] {3} 541511;1393754726;dignork;cazalla, there is SOME influence, sure, i'm not sure about majority 541512;1393754750;cazalla;some and major, this is subjective 541513;1393754754;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 176 @ 0.00511455 = 0.9002 BTC [-] {6} 541514;1393754757;mircea_popescu;there's plenty of parents that the kid'd be better off with no parents at all 541515;1393754770;cazalla;to what extent who really knows but there is an impact 541516;1393754778;mircea_popescu;and these aren't always poor. i've seen plenty of fucking impossible middle class people, murdering the kid under a mountain of attention 541517;1393754780;cazalla;mircea_popescu: for sure 541518;1393754805;wao-ender;heh 541519;1393754843;cazalla;see if i did have a daughter, she would be less likely to be the public rape slut mircea_popescu suggests by my being around and being a good role model opposed to not being there at all 541520;1393754899;dignork;cazalla, if you have cash you can give them education, imho that's all the influence that you get 541521;1393754923;cazalla;dignork: i have read contrary to that 541522;1393754936;cazalla;that is to say my influence is beyond being able to send them to a good school 541523;1393754944;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: but if they fix one bitcoin bug, hey, it was worth it. <<< mp is too lazy to dig up where he was arguing this about ltc 541524;1393754952;cazalla;and maybe i want to home school and have a little luke-jr running around 541525;1393754957;mircea_popescu;cazalla i'd agree. 541526;1393754964;mircea_popescu;good schools are grossly overrated. 541527;1393754998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0895 = 0.179 BTC [+] 541528;1393755005;cazalla;depends on the student i would guess 541529;1393755011;cazalla;me? it would've made little difference good or bad school 541530;1393755024;cazalla;i wanted to stay home and play everquest and that was that 541531;1393755033;mircea_popescu;heh 541532;1393755097;cazalla;i went to a bad public school 541533;1393755105;cazalla;so difficult to argue it would've been the same 541534;1393755110;dignork;wow everquest, nice graphics, reminds me of lineage 541535;1393755111;cazalla;but i think so 541536;1393755122;cazalla;EQ days were good days 541537;1393755163;cazalla;most mmo's are hand holding social networks now 541538;1393755195;mircea_popescu;mod6 what i hear is that >>= is not uniformly implemented on all platforms. 541539;1393755202;mircea_popescu;it behaves differently depending wtf you run 541540;1393755219;dignork;mircea_popescu, in c++ standard it UD 541541;1393755221;mircea_popescu;so bitcoin wouldn't really display the behaviour, we'd just end up with a fork 541542;1393755235;cazalla;i think i'm missing half this conversation 541543;1393755238;mircea_popescu;dignork nah, it's a problem of how the compiler translates the code do machine and how the processor runs it then 541544;1393755261;mircea_popescu;we really don't know yet exactly wtf it is 541545;1393755290;mircea_popescu;may be some count overflow protection activates. 541546;1393755304;dignork;mircea_popescu there is not much options to implement lshift, especially if you have such cpu opcode 541547;1393755316;mircea_popescu;(ie, on some platforms with 64 bit registers shift 65 bits means shift one bit, 541548;1393755322;mircea_popescu;whereas on others it means shift 64 bits) 541549;1393755336;dignork;in any case, crisis is diverted, 120 years in advance :) 541550;1393755343;mircea_popescu;well it's not fixed yet 541551;1393755345;mircea_popescu;but we know about it. 541552;1393755365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00084504 = 7.8589 BTC [-] {2} 541553;1393755384;dignork;yep, but we have like 120 years to fix it, till then there probably won't be any 32 or 64 bit processors anyway :) 541554;1393755399;mircea_popescu;all true. 541555;1393755469;dignork;cazalla,, sorry, it was about some exotic bitcoin bug which will be interesting in 120 years from now 541556;1393755579;cazalla;i meant that i don't see the text mircea_popescu is responding to 541557;1393755598;mircea_popescu;no, that's what it was, what dignork sed 541558;1393755730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00084479 = 10.7288 BTC [-] {2} 541559;1393755791;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 444 @ 0.00549 = 2.4376 BTC [-] {3} 541560;1393755792;mircea_popescu;;;tslb 541561;1393755794;gribble;Time since last block: 8 minutes and 2 seconds 541562;1393755884;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ 541563;1393755887;ozbot;BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD 541564;1393755905;mircea_popescu;this shit's fucking incredible. btc is about 500ish, the odds of 10k (ie, 2k% increase) are viewed as 1:3 541565;1393755916;mircea_popescu;or even 2:5 actually 541566;1393755930;cazalla;i was going to bet yes on that 541567;1393755955;mircea_popescu;at this point, the EV of betting no on that is about 10x better than any fiat investment. 541568;1393755966;*;dignork calcualtes if betting against is worth the money 541569;1393755982;mircea_popescu;suppose btc goes to 9k in november and doesn't cross. 541570;1393755997;cazalla;i just dislike waiting 9 month wait for the outcome on those bets 541571;1393756001;mircea_popescu;you can trade $500 worth of btc today for... 18k worth of btc in nov. 541572;1393756019;mircea_popescu;cazalla from experience you're better off having your btc locked away from your control 541573;1393756024;mircea_popescu;where you ~= everyone in btc. 541574;1393756030;cazalla;yeah i've done that 541575;1393756032;dignork;mircea_popescu, yeah, but the problem is that if there will be too many NO bets return will be close to zero 541576;1393756035;cazalla;except for a small amount to play with 541577;1393756041;mircea_popescu;dignork no cause weight. 541578;1393756064;mircea_popescu;take the recently closed mtgox 150 bet 541579;1393756074;mircea_popescu;it was a year old when mtgox finally entered its last stages of decomposition 541580;1393756083;mircea_popescu;in spite of the pool being 3:50, nobody bet 541581;1393756132;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/346/mtgox-bitcoin-usd-exchange-rate-150-before/ << last bet is in july 2013 541582;1393756133;ozbot;BitBet - MtGox Bitcoin USD Exchange Rate >= $150 Before the End of April 2013 541583;1393756213;mircea_popescu;bah wrong link 541584;1393756222;dignork;mircea_popescu, ok so currently NO payout is ~1.4, if later it'd change to 1000 NO vs 100 yes, payout will be lower, or is it ficed at the moment of betting? 541585;1393756232;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/ 541586;1393756232;dignork;*fixed 541587;1393756233;ozbot;BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will be above $150 on Mar 1st 2014 541588;1393756234;mircea_popescu;this one i meant 541589;1393756255;mircea_popescu;dignork payout will be lower, but proportional with the weights involved. 541590;1393756271;mircea_popescu;if you bet 1 btc at 100k weight, someone at 50k weight needs to bet 2 btc to get the same effects 541591;1393756275;mircea_popescu;and at 10k weight, 10 btc 541592;1393756340;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00539893 = 0.108 BTC [+] {3} 541593;1393756401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 51 @ 0.07560803 = 3.856 BTC [+] {3} 541594;1393756470;dignork;mircea_popescu i see, still the chances for saturation are too high for me :) 541595;1393756541;mircea_popescu;there still aren't better opportunities available in btc as it is. 541596;1393756557;mircea_popescu;kinda the miracle of bitbet : because peoplke generally are so bad at evaluating opportunity, it's a fucking gold mine. 541597;1393756651;dignork;mircea_popescu it's actually too sad, you'd think multi billion eco-system would provide more investement opportunities :) 541598;1393756893;dignork;this one looks like a good speculative bet http://bitbet.us/bet/770/btc-e-out-of-business-in-2014/ , but the total amount of bets makes it boring 541599;1393756919;cazalla;i ripped that one off the gox one 541600;1393756939;cazalla;but i only bet small 541601;1393756976;cazalla;which was suggested to avoid becoming a snackman 541602;1393757084;dignork;for snackman i got this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erlw-ODVZxU 541603;1393757090;dignork;who is snackman here? 541604;1393757120;wao-ender;this is, ultra lulz headline, keys to the internet. http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/feb/28/seven-people-keys-worldwide-internet-security-web 541605;1393757158;cazalla;dignork: he should respond like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ksmnk2Eic80 541606;1393757396;dignork;cazalla, it's be an awesome response to the Giardian journalist from the line above 541607;1393757405;dignork;*it'd 541608;1393757743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7737 @ 0.00084624 = 6.5474 BTC [+] 541609;1393758255;mircea_popescu;the thingwith snackman, as i recall it, is that he sent a wager on an already known bet 541610;1393758259;mircea_popescu;ie, the results were known 541611;1393758270;mircea_popescu;and then he cheaped out on tx fees, so his tx was never confirmed in time 541612;1393758459;cazalla;jew too so must've really hurt 541613;1393758846;cazalla;guess there are no JIDF here 541614;1393759512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7277 @ 0.00084963 = 6.1828 BTC [+] 541615;1393760132;mircea_popescu;That's what happened to Myspace. It tipping pointed into "unemployed/some high school" and The Ruling Class had to sell it to Ima Holla Achoo for 20x less than they bought it. Now it looks like Windows Mobile, which is demographically appropriate. 541616;1393760134;mircea_popescu;lolz quite. 541617;1393760244;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.08859409 = 0.9745 BTC [+] {4} 541618;1393760366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4423 @ 0.00084963 = 3.7579 BTC [+] 541619;1393761525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3948 @ 0.00085158 = 3.362 BTC [+] 541620;1393761708;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0907 = 0.907 BTC [+] {3} 541621;1393761769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00085248 = 1.6197 BTC [+] 541622;1393761830;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.09125 = 0.365 BTC [+] {2} 541623;1393761891;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04500002 = 0.27 BTC [-] {4} 541624;1393761892;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0915 = 0.549 BTC [+] {4} 541625;1393761893;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.13311598 = 0.7987 BTC [-] {4} 541626;1393761894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00085248 = 4.6034 BTC [+] 541627;1393761967;mircea_popescu;Obama warned that Russia's "continued violation of international law will lead to greater political and economic isolation." 541628;1393761971;mircea_popescu;ahahah who does this guy think he is ? 541629;1393762040;mircea_popescu;country producing nothing anyone wants to country producing fuels and minerals everyone wants "herpderp isolation is u". might as well be some dork talking to scarlett j about how socially isolated she'll be if she continues being blonde. 541630;1393762383;mircea_popescu;;;later tell greenspan_fan http://dpaste.com/1677630/ << tpb dox cc asciilifeform 541631;1393762383;gribble;The operation succeeded. 541632;1393762907;mircea_popescu;"The Napster controversy has taught us that you can't stop people who know more than you do." 541633;1393763477;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 79 @ 0.00533998 = 0.4219 BTC [+] {3} 541634;1393763538;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 136 @ 0.00534498 = 0.7269 BTC [+] 541635;1393763660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00085378 = 6.1472 BTC [+] 541636;1393763909;jurov;;;bc,stats 541637;1393763911;gribble;Current Blocks: 288589 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 1714 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 8 hours, 25 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3992945039.77 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.6445 541638;1393764514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16710 @ 0.00085375 = 14.2662 BTC [-] {3} 541639;1393764695;FabianB_;$depth X.IDIFF.MAR 541640;1393764696;mpexbot;FabianB_: X.IDIFF.MAR Bids: ['150 @ 0.003', '200 @ 0.00290837', '100 @ 0.00172'] 541641;1393764698;mpexbot;FabianB_: Asks: ['10 @ 0.00395111', '10 @ 0.00395132', '15 @ 0.00421474', '20 @ 0.00460987', '25 @ 0.00526842'] 541642;1393765185;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00085215 = 5.8798 BTC [-] {2} 541643;1393765185;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 105 @ 0.08200052 = 8.6101 BTC [-] {3} 541644;1393765307;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.08920255 = 0.6244 BTC [+] {3} 541645;1393765429;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.08919979 = 0.446 BTC [-] {3} 541646;1393765490;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00613 = 0.613 BTC [-] 541647;1393765551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17009 @ 0.0008552 = 14.5461 BTC [+] {2} 541648;1393765612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00085622 = 3.2536 BTC [+] 541649;1393766884;ThickAsThieves; all i'm sayin' is that by your reasoning, the farmer shouldn't plow the field /// It's a lizard brain thing - the most innate thing we're here to do is reproduce, so i'd assume a man's desire to bare his own blood is not only natural, but reinforced by male social roles. Of course this is becoming quite distorted, as you point out about betas feigning alpha. Having 541650;1393766885;ThickAsThieves;your own progeny is also interpreted as a way to live posthumously. The whole conversation can be starkly scientific, or frustatingly philosophical. intraductibillamawhatsit i guess. 541651;1393766934;wao-ender;Finally, I found representative pic, https://twitter.com/YangWao/status/440116377118990336 541652;1393766955;ThickAsThieves;As I read TLP, I don't get much sense of gender, but I haven't read it trying to scrape that out yet. Your theory is sound though, being that I never knew Randi existed before reading that. 541653;1393767254;CheckDavid;The great Randi? 541654;1393767258;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves :p 541655;1393767269;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it's been doxed above. 541656;1393767381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.04401272 = 0.4841 BTC [-] {2} 541657;1393767503;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 263 @ 0.00088186 = 0.2319 BTC [-] 541658;1393767930;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00528448 = 1.0569 BTC [-] {11} 541659;1393767991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10341 @ 0.000857 = 8.8622 BTC [+] 541660;1393768052;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.08920042 = 0.6244 BTC [+] {2} 541661;1393768068;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid whossat ? 541662;1393768095;CheckDavid;James Randi 541663;1393768159;CheckDavid;Magician later turned into pseudo claims buster. 541664;1393768161;mircea_popescu;a no. apparently there's some moral hazard embodied in zuckerberg's sister 541665;1393768171;mircea_popescu;who happened to be cleanning floors and be paid in stock options early in fb's history. 541666;1393768179;mircea_popescu;you know, much like random idiot mining bitcoins in 2009 541667;1393768263;CheckDavid;What? 541668;1393768278;CheckDavid;Early miners were chosen by god 541669;1393768292;CheckDavid;It's in the bible 541670;1393768335;mircea_popescu;right. 541671;1393768337;mircea_popescu;hence moral hazard. 541672;1393768431;CheckDavid;I would become a believer if I WA's an early miner. Such easy money 541673;1393768477;mircea_popescu;hehe 541674;1393768547;CheckDavid;Isn't nakamoto sitting on a million coins? 541675;1393768567;mircea_popescu;in the sense mtgox lost 850k yes 541676;1393768592;CheckDavid;What's the relation? 541677;1393768618;CheckDavid;I thought he had this gigantic wallet 541678;1393768625;mircea_popescu;notrly. 541679;1393768643;CheckDavid;Oh? 541680;1393768644;mircea_popescu;just big numbers pushed by the clueless press and swallowed by the superificial. 541681;1393768653;CheckDavid;I see 541682;1393768857;mircea_popescu;http://rt.com/news/ukraine-military-russia-resign-437/ 541683;1393769211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00511732 = 1.2793 BTC [-] {11} 541684;1393769272;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.08995429 = 1.2594 BTC [+] {3} 541685;1393769699;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10820 @ 0.00085189 = 9.2174 BTC [-] 541686;1393769821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59000041 BTC [-] 541687;1393769943;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59000015 = 1.18 BTC [-] {2} 541688;1393770004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00539994 = 1.62 BTC [+] {6} 541689;1393770005;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00519892 = 0.234 BTC [-] 541690;1393770066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00539999 = 0.135 BTC [+] {2} 541691;1393770084;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-is-creating-a-whole-new-set-of-problems/ < this is the article about how bitcoin is bad for kids that i was looking for a while back 541692;1393770085;ozbot;Bitcoin is creating a whole new set of problems pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 541693;1393770250;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12367 @ 0.00085977 = 10.6328 BTC [+] {2} 541694;1393770309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1229 @ 0.00086073 = 1.0578 BTC [+] 541695;1393770309;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.58407999 = 2.3363 BTC [-] {3} 541696;1393770370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 430 @ 0.00539999 = 2.322 BTC [+] {5} 541697;1393770432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00539999 = 0.1836 BTC [+] {3} 541698;1393770736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00085189 = 4.4298 BTC [-] 541699;1393770980;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.13311598 = 1.198 BTC [-] 541700;1393771834;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 94 @ 0.0052002 = 0.4888 BTC [+] {3} 541701;1393771895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00085231 = 9.5033 BTC [+] 541702;1393771895;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.0051989 = 0.104 BTC [-] {2} 541703;1393772810;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.00519 = 0.1401 BTC [-] 541704;1393773054;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0439 = 0.1317 BTC [-] 541705;1393773055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3292 @ 0.00019251 = 0.6337 BTC [-] {11} 541706;1393773176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12927 @ 0.00085231 = 11.0178 BTC [+] 541707;1393773969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00085309 = 5.4598 BTC [+] {2} 541708;1393774213;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.0439 = 0.7902 BTC [-] 541709;1393774640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9233 @ 0.00085189 = 7.8655 BTC [-] 541710;1393774640;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.02134999 = 0.6405 BTC [+] {2} 541711;1393774887;MisterE;"While the popularity of both innovations has grown quickly (even though Coin is not yet available), they still face key uphill battles" 541712;1393774926;wao-ender;ridicilous http://imgur.com/gallery/NPzK81w 541713;1393774987;mircea_popescu;wait what ?! 541714;1393774989;MisterE;lol RT 541715;1393774989;wao-ender;well, kids have here dogecoin already 541716;1393774995;mircea_popescu;jurov didja get occupied ? 541717;1393774996;MisterE;russia's Fox 541718;1393775008;wao-ender;mircea_popescu: no, slovakia is labeled as czechoslovakia. 541719;1393775035;wao-ender;since 91', seem that telly didnt updated their geo infos 541720;1393775039;mircea_popescu;why the fuck does this kid think i banned him from assets?! 541721;1393775054;wao-ender;which kid? 541722;1393775059;mircea_popescu;skinnkavaj 541723;1393775064;MisterE;well most people who watch CNN are 60+ 541724;1393775068;MisterE;thats well known 541725;1393775083;wao-ender;I see him here lol, is it him, right? 541726;1393775097;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. 541727;1393775099;wao-ender;16:44 -!- 32 - #bitcoin-assets: ban *!*@unaffiliated/skinnkavaj [by leguin.freenode.net, 2305187 secs ago] 541728;1393775103;wao-ender;maybe? 541729;1393775122;mircea_popescu;so since czechs ate slovakia, can't romania eat up that ukraine pseudopod there in the south ? 541730;1393775153;mircea_popescu;odessa et all ? 541731;1393775199;MisterE;heh Czech mate 541732;1393775311;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00085342 = 11.0945 BTC [+] {2} 541733;1393775427;BingoBoingo;Oh, that ways Bitcoin will change the world. Now Russia and Ukraine contest Crimea. In the future someone in this chan is going to think, "Now that this place is getting such attention the weather seems nice" before buying the penninsula from both warring factions 541734;1393775433;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.58090833 = 6.9709 BTC [-] {3} 541735;1393775738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08999988 = 0.36 BTC [+] 541736;1393775740;mircea_popescu;you can't buy the crimea from russia any more than you can buy kim kardashians' ass from her 541737;1393775961;ThickAsThieves;and you have to be as crazy as kanye to take the whole thing 541738;1393775976;mircea_popescu;that too. 541739;1393775982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08999988 = 0.18 BTC [+] 541740;1393775989;mircea_popescu;who the fuck needs the responsibility for 40 million disabled idiots. 541741;1393776008;mircea_popescu;talk about cuckolding, you didn't even fuck all the women 541742;1393776020;BingoBoingo;lol 541743;1393776024;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, cazalla's rationale is perhaps why traditionally leaders also fucked all the women. 541744;1393776062;ThickAsThieves;family first! 541745;1393776111;mircea_popescu;what was that study that whatever primitive villages were 80% the offspring of the village chieftain or something 541746;1393776128;MisterE;it's good to be king 541747;1393776165;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 166 @ 0.08089007 = 13.4278 BTC [-] {11} 541748;1393776406;nubbins`;morning 541749;1393776449;davout;nubbins`: hello ! 541750;1393776505;nubbins`;Qu’est-ce que tu en penses? 541751;1393776531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9187 @ 0.0008497 = 7.8062 BTC [-] 541752;1393776542;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 541753;1393776546;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 562.97, vol: 7539.63282859 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 554.98, vol: 7035.30086 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 562.73, vol: 4985.7429263 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 559.0372, vol: 3140.76200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 559.89703964 541754;1393776568;davout;de? 541755;1393776592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 413 @ 0.00084709 = 0.3498 BTC [-] 541756;1393776594;mircea_popescu;fromage 541757;1393776597;nubbins`;tous :D 541758;1393776629;mircea_popescu;tous = all people tout = all things 541759;1393776638;nubbins`;(i used to date a girl whose very rich grandfather would stroll around parties asking people what they thought. when responded to with "about what?", he would simply walk away) 541760;1393776645;nubbins`;fuck, really? 541761;1393776650;nubbins`;been a while :( 541762;1393776674;davout;it's ok :-) 541763;1393776684;davout;the french people loves you anyway 541764;1393776695;nubbins`;phew 541765;1393776744;mircea_popescu;nobody went "i think you should leave me all your monyz" ? 541766;1393776763;nubbins`;so vulgar 541767;1393776777;nubbins`;guy owned so much land he couldn't keep track of it all 541768;1393776777;mircea_popescu;o right, and pestering people is like all etherated or what. 541769;1393776811;nubbins`;it was a conversation starter! 541770;1393776824;mircea_popescu;so mine's a conversation ender. 541771;1393776870;nubbins`;or at the very least, a segue 541772;1393776897;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00519 = 0.109 BTC [-] 541773;1393776935;ThickAsThieves;it's a troll 541774;1393776937;ThickAsThieves;nothing more 541775;1393776973;nubbins`;the question or the response? 541776;1393777004;ThickAsThieves;yes 541777;1393777017;ThickAsThieves;he knows what they'll say 541778;1393777023;ThickAsThieves;so why pretend otherwise 541779;1393777024;mircea_popescu;thick ass strolls 541780;1393777033;nubbins`;nah 541781;1393777046;nubbins`;i've had some great conversations that started with me asking someone what they thought 541782;1393777060;nubbins`;boring people say "about what?", interesting people tell you what they think. 541783;1393777060;mircea_popescu;ok, different approach : i'm thinking about why it is that your granddaughter looks best with a cock in her mouth. 541784;1393777060;ThickAsThieves;and they didnt say 'about what?' 541785;1393777071;nubbins`;the great conversations? nope. 541786;1393777074;ThickAsThieves;that's retarded 541787;1393777079;nubbins`;no it's not 541788;1393777086;mircea_popescu;(btw, anyone noticed this ? all female faces look best with that distended jaw look of a cock inserted) 541789;1393777094;nubbins`;nobody's ever asked you what's on your mind before? 541790;1393777103;mircea_popescu;nubbins` people srsly don't really dare. 541791;1393777109;ThickAsThieves;yes, but that;s a different q 541792;1393777117;nubbins`;same q, different phrasing 541793;1393777126;ThickAsThieves;same q, troll phrasing 541794;1393777145;mircea_popescu;actually asking people you're not sexually intimate with "what's on their mind' is quite offensive. 541795;1393777154;*;nubbins` yawns 541796;1393777157;nubbins`;so sensitive, both of you 541797;1393777169;mircea_popescu;no but wtf. way above asking them how much they make. 541798;1393777192;ThickAsThieves;asking people what's on their mind is at least a complete q 541799;1393777207;ThickAsThieves;i'd be more offended at his grandpa walking away 541800;1393777226;nubbins`;you taking offense didn't mean a row of beans to him, unfortunately 541801;1393777235;ThickAsThieves;so? 541802;1393777247;mircea_popescu;the feeling is obviously mutual. 541803;1393777256;nubbins`;asking what you think is a complete question, in the sense that asking the time is a complete question 541804;1393777270;nubbins`;someone asks you the time, you don't say "where?" unless you're an idiot or a smartass 541805;1393777279;ThickAsThieves;only if youve bastardized common communication 541806;1393777295;ThickAsThieves;the time has context 541807;1393777305;nubbins`;and by common communication, you mean what, business-man speak? 541808;1393777309;mircea_popescu;carlin "when, now or when yo uasked me ?" 541809;1393777310;ThickAsThieves;everyone knows what someone means when they ask what you think 541810;1393777312;nubbins`;what do you think of the quarterly financials? 541811;1393777315;mircea_popescu;;;google carlin do you have the time 541812;1393777316;gribble;George Carlin- Does the time bother you? 1978 On location George ...: ; Do You Have the Time? No, I don't - George Carlin on Time - VideoSift: ; George Carlin Quotes (Author of Napalm & Silly Putty) - Goodreads: (1 more message) 541813;1393777337;ThickAsThieves;i mean this assumption that when someone asks a question, there is a context 541814;1393777354;ThickAsThieves;not that it is to be taken obnoxiously literal 541815;1393777359;nubbins`;so you're unable to summon an answer to an open-ended question? 541816;1393777377;ThickAsThieves;i'm unable to ask for clarification to the q without being trolled? 541817;1393777410;ThickAsThieves;if I say What's up? and you don't say "the ceiling" you're the ass? 541818;1393777412;nubbins`;clarification isn't necessary 541819;1393777418;davout;ThickAsThieves: no because that means you're boring 541820;1393777431;ThickAsThieves;lol 541821;1393777435;davout;nubbins` so grandpa was an asshole, kewl 541822;1393777443;mircea_popescu;one wonders how the guy got married in the first place. 541823;1393777446;ThickAsThieves;pretty poor system for finding interesting people 541824;1393777460;davout;nubbins`: you're not special, my grandpa is an asshole too :D 541825;1393777466;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it probably has good selectivity but poor specificity. 541826;1393777467;nubbins`;he's not my grandpa :D 541827;1393777493;mircea_popescu;he's his failed-granpa-in-law 541828;1393777496;ThickAsThieves;hell, going to a party is a poor system too 541829;1393777499;nubbins`;and fwiw, he was an asshole, but since when is that criteria 541830;1393777502;mircea_popescu;perhaphs the most distant relation possible. 541831;1393777522;davout;nubbins`: it *is* a criteria 541832;1393777532;mircea_popescu;""I had Christ in my mouth for over an hour!" was a post funeral text from a woman who... what? I'm not a Catholic so it took me a few minutes to piece together that this lunatic meant she had kept the Eucharist from the funeral mass in her mouth without swallowing it for an hour-- as if that meant something." 541833;1393777535;nubbins`;might as well ask about the thread count of his sheets 541834;1393777550;mircea_popescu;yes it means something. it means she's doing cum swallow games @home. 541835;1393777718;nubbins`;well, now that we've come to the conclusion that asking people what they think is trollish, invasive, and grossly offensive 541836;1393777740;davout;nubbins`: nope, it's the walking away part 541837;1393777750;davout;that's trollish 541838;1393777752;mircea_popescu;what's on your mind was offensive. 541839;1393777769;nubbins`;davout, fair enough 541840;1393777785;nubbins`;i don't walk away, i respond with "anything" 541841;1393777803;nubbins`;you can see the gears start turning in people's heads 541842;1393777829;nubbins`;much better than "did you see ___ on television" or w/e 541843;1393778153;BingoBoingo;http://bigstory.ap.org/article/russian-troop-convoy-road-crimeas-capital 541844;1393778154;ozbot;Hundreds of gunmen surround Ukraine military base 541845;1393779031;mircea_popescu;pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490703.msg5411306#msg5411306 << it's official, the forum estimates it'd be better off if it consisted of nothing but my socks, than the present situation 541846;1393779032;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08990703 = 0.1798 BTC [+] 541847;1393779041;mircea_popescu;a great win for public participation, decentralisation and crowd powa. 541848;1393779133;nubbins`;wait now 541849;1393779139;nubbins`;i remember responding to that thread 541850;1393779145;nubbins`;i guess he deleted it and started a new one? 541851;1393779177;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: He made two of them, one in securities and the other in scam accusations 541852;1393779193;mircea_popescu;o there's two ? 541853;1393779202;nubbins`;well that makes sense 541854;1393779208;mircea_popescu;why split the comedy ;/ 541855;1393779215;*;nubbins` responds to new thread 541856;1393779256;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah, the other incarnation was the one linked here first 541857;1393779305;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490781.0 541858;1393779307;ozbot;Mircea Popescu aka Crumbs & others 541859;1393779352;nubbins`;ah, i guess the first one wasn't going the way he wanted 541860;1393779581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.34205046 BTC to 3`554 shares, 65899 satoshi per share 541861;1393779825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00085154 = 5.7053 BTC [+] 541862;1393779947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00085203 = 5.9642 BTC [+] 541863;1393780008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6044 @ 0.00085466 = 5.1656 BTC [+] 541864;1393780394;wao-ender;> Romania will send gypsie batallions to steal tanks and ammo :^) 541865;1393780557;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3608 @ 0.00085244 = 3.0756 BTC [-] {2} 541866;1393780644;mircea_popescu;im sure ukraina has enough gypsies already 541867;1393780679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0435001 = 0.174 BTC [+] 541868;1393780740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 246 @ 0.00088199 = 0.217 BTC [+] 541869;1393780741;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.0435 = 0.522 BTC [-] {2} 541870;1393780782;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo all these wannabe mps gotta study up on style! 541871;1393780789;mircea_popescu;forum sez i got my very own. 541872;1393780801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.043125 = 0.1725 BTC [-] {2} 541873;1393780802;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 177 @ 0.00519 = 0.9186 BTC [+] 541874;1393780868;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well at least all of this "textual analysis" provides forumites a distraction from the Szabo is Satoshi hypothesis 541875;1393780899;mircea_popescu;weallknow karpeles is satoshi 541876;1393780969;wao-ender;http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/03/01/what-did-not-happen-at-mtgox/ 541877;1393780969;ozbot;What Did Not Happen At Mt. Gox 541878;1393780972;wao-ender;kinda hilarious article 541879;1393781014;mircea_popescu; in ? 541880;1393781026;mircea_popescu;what's the world com<u>in</u>g to 541881;1393781106;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0426 = 0.639 BTC [-] 541882;1393781158;nubbins`;maybe they should have distributed the coding too 541883;1393781357;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zcmfq/mark_karpeles_blinking_a_morse_code/ lol 541884;1393781358;ozbot;Mark Karpeles blinking a morse code : Bitcoin 541885;1393781397;mircea_popescu;"If I had to guess, I'd venture that Mt. Gox is based on something like MySQL -- strongly consistent and not broken by design, though perhaps slow and hard to scale." 541886;1393781400;mircea_popescu;from the earlier link. 541887;1393781406;mircea_popescu;seriously, mysql is slow and hard to scale ? 541888;1393781411;mircea_popescu;the only thing it does is that it's fast. 541889;1393781425;mircea_popescu;it is definitely very very brokenb by design 541890;1393781439;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is this retard with delusions of competence ? 541891;1393781449;ThickAsThieves;that article sux 541892;1393781449;nubbins`;maybe he runs mysql on a FAT partition ;( 541893;1393781459;mircea_popescu;guy is all pretense and no substance 541894;1393781460;ThickAsThieves;he just summarizes all the gox theories then says No 541895;1393781476;mircea_popescu;the phrase before the mysql debacle is "I went to the Cornell dairy barn, I drank the fizzy milk drinks that the agriculture students designed for their masters projects. The code being peddled under the NoSQL rubric is analogous in its construction and quality." 541896;1393781484;mircea_popescu;this is the sort of shit i may say, not random twerp. 541897;1393781513;nubbins`;"If one must pick a cryptocurrency, the lowly dogecoin, of all things, is doing everything right." 541898;1393781516;nubbins`;LEL 541899;1393781535;mircea_popescu;anyway, gotta love postmodernism 541900;1393781547;mircea_popescu;pile of failed ignorance denouncing the "general" failed ignorance. 541901;1393781650;ThickAsThieves;"Bear in mind that , until December 5th 2013, Mark Williams had never mentioned Bitcoin at all. But since December 2013 he has written over 50 postings on Bitcoin , in a little over two months, with only a handful of his normal type of postings about banking risks" 541902;1393781710;mircea_popescu;so mark williams digs butts nao 541903;1393781722;ThickAsThieves;" the chatter coming out of the Delta Sigma Pie Fraternity at Boston Uni is that senior Frat colleagues have been expressing serious concern about the progressively erratic behavior of Prof. Mark Williams." 541904;1393781728;mircea_popescu;is this the actor or the snooker player ? 541905;1393781753;ThickAsThieves;Pie 541906;1393781782;kakobrekla;>If I were to encounter my bank's CEO on IRC, I would not think "how cool and edgy, lemme get a screen cap, LOL," I'd put my money in a mattress and short the bank's stock. 541907;1393781782;kakobrekla;lol 541908;1393781798;kakobrekla;yes, someone with twitter handle "@el33th4xor" appears much more trustworthy. 541909;1393781829;mircea_popescu;boston uni 541910;1393781832;mircea_popescu;like what was it, top 50 ? 541911;1393781854;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla obviously they're entirely correct. 541912;1393781868;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves, lel 541913;1393781876;nubbins`;y'know, the greek letter pie 541914;1393781877;nubbins`;D: 541915;1393781877;*;kakobrekla pulls out of mpex 541916;1393781894;mircea_popescu;so let the kids short mpex stock what 541917;1393781896;*;kakobrekla pulls out of himself 541918;1393781907;kakobrekla;there. 541919;1393781942;kakobrekla;cant trust myself until im here. 541920;1393781955;mircea_popescu;its a noteworthy mark of the desperation of the media re bitcoin that they're reducing to putting forth the opinions of frat boys 541921;1393781964;mircea_popescu;as to the behaviour of their risk management teachers. 541922;1393781972;mircea_popescu;clearly this is sane. 541923;1393782039;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ is this only broken on my screen ? 541924;1393782041;mircea_popescu;(scroll down) 541925;1393782067;nubbins`;hah 541926;1393782070;nubbins`;your tags broke it 541927;1393782088;mircea_popescu;<js echo "kako sux at codeing";> 541928;1393782094;kakobrekla;i fix one think brok another 541929;1393782098;kakobrekla;thing 541930;1393782099;kakobrekla;lol 541931;1393782107;kakobrekla;no think. ever. 541932;1393782112;mircea_popescu;never think. none. 541933;1393782126;nubbins`;<script>window.alert("altcoin sucks cocks")</script> 541934;1393782142;kakobrekla;boo-hoo. 541935;1393782155;wao-ender;:D 541936;1393782158;wao-ender;kids. 541937;1393782172;nubbins`;i'm thirty-two D; 541938;1393782175;mircea_popescu;TESTING IN PRODUCTION SINCE @)!! 541939;1393782182;nubbins`;heh 541940;1393782192;nubbins`;capital numbers 541941;1393782195;mircea_popescu;:D 541942;1393782204;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8205 @ 0.00085002 = 6.9744 BTC [-] {2} 541943;1393782398;mircea_popescu;"When someone hates something that to outside observers looks exactly like themselves in every way, you should quickly consult a French book to see if they don't have a word for that phenomenon, and they do, it's called projection." 541944;1393782401;mircea_popescu;epic. 541945;1393782509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00084902 = 5.4337 BTC [-] {2} 541946;1393782570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1206 @ 0.00085006 = 1.0252 BTC [+] 541947;1393782611;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7sjhiQzEC1ro61v7o1_1280.jpg 541948;1393782616;mircea_popescu;"you lost the keys... where?!?!" 541949;1393782997;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2394 @ 0.00085708 = 2.0518 BTC [+] 541950;1393783241;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00539998 = 0.81 BTC [-] 541951;1393783399;kakobrekla;ok 541952;1393783402;kakobrekla;peace is restored 541953;1393783404;kakobrekla;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2014#541879 541954;1393783406;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 541955;1393783413;kakobrekla;also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2014#539399 541956;1393783422;kakobrekla;you got the funky shit now. 541957;1393783475;mircea_popescu;le cool. 541958;1393783498;mircea_popescu;very rude and arrogant customer support i must say 541959;1393783508;kakobrekla;:D 541960;1393783515;mircea_popescu;i paid good letters for this service! 541961;1393783555;kakobrekla;yeah, the letterel is always right 541962;1393783580;mircea_popescu;ahaha 541963;1393783604;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7s08vqS0Y1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg there, have some butts. 541964;1393783682;kakobrekla;not bad 541965;1393783729;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 541966;1393783769;Duffer1;ken slaughter canceled 55nm dev completely, he claims funds were lost in Gox bankruptcy 541967;1393783783;kakobrekla;oh yeah thats convinient 541968;1393783789;kakobrekla;also panacea lost all on gox! 541969;1393783791;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla speaking of letterel : http://bitbet.us/bet/770/btc-e-out-of-business-in-2014/#c2520 http://bitbet.us/bet/747/two-1-seeds-will-play-in-the-2014/#c2519 541970;1393783793;mircea_popescu;cheaper betting. 541971;1393783802;nubbins`;heh 541972;1393783806;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 lmao 541973;1393783818;nubbins`;why the fuck would a business owner -- of any size -- store funds in an exchange? 541974;1393783820;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu LMAO 541975;1393783821;nubbins`;the mind boggles 541976;1393783823;mircea_popescu;you weren't around during pirate, when people suddenly discovered they had lost it all on pirate were you 541977;1393783830;wao-ender;:D 541978;1393783845;Duffer1;i've only been around since julyish 541979;1393783867;nubbins`;<- nov '12 541980;1393783871;mircea_popescu;yeah. so back then loads of shitty/scammy stuff went like 541981;1393783880;mircea_popescu;o... we were totally 100% legit but we lost it all on pirate 541982;1393783886;nubbins`;well. irc since summer '13 541983;1393783891;wao-ender;nice butts 541984;1393783918;nubbins`;slaughter must have immediately bought a $5,000 bottle of wine upon hearing of gox collapse 541985;1393783918;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7s04qxSuF1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg < same butts 541986;1393783932;Duffer1;i wonder how many asked themselves why their trusted issuers had money with pirate in the first place... 541987;1393783935;wao-ender;is that in Romania? 541988;1393783943;mircea_popescu;naj 541989;1393783961;ThickAsThieves;http://bitbet.us/bet/771/facebook-myspaced/ odd to see no starting bets 541990;1393783963;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 you read the patrick harnett "no pirate deposit" thing ? 541991;1393783964;ozbot;BitBet - Facebook Myspace'd 541992;1393783970;ThickAsThieves;oh wait 541993;1393783973;ThickAsThieves;i was just early 541994;1393783984;mircea_popescu;that's a pretty decent bet actually. 541995;1393784000;Duffer1;oh TaT i dig the Bitcoin Error Log, good stuff 541996;1393784034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00534955 = 0.214 BTC [-] 541997;1393784039;Duffer1;mircea_popescu i have not 541998;1393784047;ThickAsThieves;hopefully i can find more people to attack than Keiser 541999;1393784064;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121915.0 542000;1393784065;ozbot;Scammer tag: PatrickHarnett 542001;1393784087;Duffer1;Alex Jones was on mcxNOW yesterday, him and max have been having a lot of conversations.. 542002;1393784089;ThickAsThieves;i could see qq.com or amazon.com pushing out facebook 542003;1393784160;mircea_popescu;i could see facebook simply imploding 542004;1393784243;ThickAsThieves;nah it's got some roots that will be tough to unearth 542005;1393784243;mircea_popescu;"Let me offer a contrary position, unpalatable but worth considering: the only appropriate time to wear make up is to look attractive to men. Or women, depending on which genitals you want to lick, hopefully it's both. "Ugh, women are not objects." Then why are you painting them?" 542006;1393784249;mircea_popescu;example ? 542007;1393784267;ThickAsThieves;the 40+ crowd 542008;1393784314;ThickAsThieves;also much internet-connected lower class uses it as central comm 542009;1393784322;mircea_popescu;but the lower class is the problem. 542010;1393784343;mircea_popescu;people, and us people in particular, fie the notion they may congregate with the lower class. 542011;1393784380;ThickAsThieves;well the lower class is eating up everything above it no? 542012;1393784384;mircea_popescu;facebook may be 50`000 car mechanics and housewives away from complete tipping point topplage. 542013;1393784415;mircea_popescu;after all, they got to facebook because it was the exclusive ivy league sorority dating repository 542014;1393784432;mircea_popescu;if it were the place where poor indian imigrants gather to spam each otrher it'd be linked-in 542015;1393784461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00085071 = 1.9566 BTC [-] {2} 542016;1393784492;BingoBoingo;I see someone is putting their February dividends into BitBet bets 542017;1393784516;mircea_popescu;(easy comparison : fb revenue 7bn, income 1bn ; linkedin revenue 1bn, income 20mn) 542018;1393784561;ThickAsThieves;i can't stand linkedin 542019;1393784573;ThickAsThieves;i like what it's supposed to be 542020;1393784585;BingoBoingo;LinkedIn is just Bitcointalk on Fiat 542021;1393784589;ThickAsThieves;but i hate it in practice 542022;1393784601;BingoBoingo;Except less profit for the operators of LinkedIN 542023;1393784628;Duffer1;I take it you never got that 500 back MP? 542024;1393784635;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 indeed. 542025;1393784647;Duffer1;I'm sorry to hear that man 542026;1393784649;mircea_popescu;feel better ? :) 542027;1393784662;Duffer1;not even a little bit lol 542028;1393784667;mircea_popescu;lol i never gave a shit, business expense. you never heard of patrick harnett BECAUSE i took him out 542029;1393784682;mircea_popescu;and the fact that ridding bitcoin of "bankers" and other idiots only cost 500 btc in 2012... heh 542030;1393784683;mircea_popescu;cake. 542031;1393784702;mircea_popescu;i spent more on lube that year 542032;1393784710;Duffer1;ha 542033;1393784765;mircea_popescu;500 btc sounds impressive as all hell, 542034;1393784773;mircea_popescu;but those were on the book at an average cost of 2.4 or some shit 542035;1393784795;kakobrekla;<mircea_popescu> and the fact that ridding bitcoin of "bankers" and other idiots only cost 500 btc in 2012... heh < ah, so nostalgic :D 542036;1393784991;mircea_popescu;hehe 542037;1393785071;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6967 @ 0.00084894 = 5.9146 BTC [-] {2} 542038;1393785132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3789 @ 0.00084623 = 3.2064 BTC [-] 542039;1393785212;mircea_popescu;"I don't want to be cynical, but boy oh boy is it hard not to observe that at the very moment in our history when we have the most women in the Senate, Congress is perceived to be pathetic, bickering, easily manipulated and powerless, and I'll risk the blowback and say that those are all stereotypes of women." 542040;1393785369;ThickAsThieves;but is it really cuz the women, or men not being men? 542041;1393785425;mircea_popescu;who's to know. 542042;1393785426;Duffer1;a culture of zealous anti intellectualism probably isn't helping either.. 542043;1393785437;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.08103637 = 0.4052 BTC [-] {3} 542044;1393785453;mircea_popescu;if women were regularly spanked in the home all these problems'd go away anyway. 542045;1393785498;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.08101886 = 1.8634 BTC [-] {3} 542046;1393785559;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08000012 = 0.24 BTC [-] 542047;1393785620;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.08000011 = 0.4 BTC [-] 542048;1393785742;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.0426 = 1.278 BTC [-] 542049;1393786108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00085014 = 6.3335 BTC [+] 542050;1393786170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12821 @ 0.00085109 = 10.9118 BTC [+] {2} 542051;1393786291;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 866 @ 0.00018311 = 0.1586 BTC [-] {5} 542052;1393786314;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-february-2014-statement/ 542053;1393786314;ozbot;BitBet, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 542054;1393786352;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 20 @ 0.00613 = 0.1226 BTC [-] 542055;1393786353;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.0054 = 0.2322 BTC [+] 542056;1393786413;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 789 @ 0.00559996 = 4.4184 BTC [+] {4} 542057;1393786474;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00576333 = 0.1037 BTC [+] {2} 542058;1393786718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00085583 = 12.7947 BTC [+] 542059;1393786779;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00534975 = 0.1391 BTC [+] {2} 542060;1393786829;benkay;http://bitbet.us/bet/756/btc-to-drop-below-400-before-march/#c2513 542061;1393786832;ozbot;BitBet - BTC to drop below $400 before March 542062;1393786870;mircea_popescu;lolk 542063;1393786876;benkay;u trollin on bitbet now mp? 542064;1393786901;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00534976 = 0.1391 BTC [+] 542065;1393786962;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00534976 = 0.1284 BTC [+] 542066;1393787146;mircea_popescu;no it was pankkake 542067;1393787206;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 564 @ 0.0051942 = 2.9295 BTC [-] {7} 542068;1393787267;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 186 @ 0.00513772 = 0.9556 BTC [-] {8} 542069;1393787390;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1359 @ 0.000185 = 0.2514 BTC [+] 542070;1393787506;kakobrekla;http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/mtgox-sets-up-call-center-in-japan-for-queries-from-worried-bitcoiners/ 542071;1393787506;ozbot;MtGox sets up call center in Japan for queries from worried Bitcoiners | Ars Technica 542072;1393787572;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00085583 = 9.243 BTC [+] 542073;1393787605;mircea_popescu;bonus points if it's a 900 number. 542074;1393787794;kakobrekla;http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-february-2014-statement/#comment-98268 542075;1393787794;ozbot;BitBet, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 542076;1393787944;mircea_popescu;we;re rich bitch 542077;1393787967;kakobrekla;retirement money. 542078;1393788373;skinnkavaj;Lol 542079;1393788376;skinnkavaj;I don't get it 542080;1393788381;skinnkavaj;Why would Mtgox put up a call center 542081;1393788392;skinnkavaj;So people can call in every hour and ask where is my money? 542082;1393788395;benkay;anyone know these people? https://1broker.com/ 542083;1393788397;skinnkavaj;And what are they gonna say even 542084;1393788397;mircea_popescu;to decentralize calling 542085;1393788403;mircea_popescu;and in the process revolutionize phones 542086;1393788408;kakobrekla;benkay afaik bucket shop 542087;1393788414;benkay;skinnkavaj: didja figure that ban out? 542088;1393788416;mircea_popescu;people = 1 person 542089;1393788435;kakobrekla;they tried to do btcusd 542090;1393788445;kakobrekla;and after x months closed cause lost too much money 542091;1393788447;kakobrekla;or some shit 542092;1393788496;benkay;some other lulzy stuff http://btclevels.com/fairplay 542093;1393788502;TestingUnoDosTre;MP, im looking for some clarification on a bitbet 542094;1393788503;benkay;We go by the last price rates that we receive directly from MTGox, 542095;1393788870;TestingUnoDosTre;I I proposed a bet that the share price of mmm divided by the bitstamp daily high would be above or equal to .2 on may 3rd. I opened with a .5 btc wager, and it was rejected, citing that i needed to put down more btc due to the peculiarity of the bet. why isnt .5 btc substantial enough when many bets start with less than .1 btc 542096;1393788920;benkay;shoulda opened a bitbet that TestingUnoDosTre would hear the same thing from a) everyone b) kako c) mp 542097;1393788933;benkay;made him take the other side before telling him who operates bitbet 542098;1393789006;Duffer1;lol ben 542099;1393789036;TestingUnoDosTre;sorry i wasnt seeking your excellent opinion, oh so wise benkay 542100;1393789036;ThickAsThieves;TestingUnoDosTre mircea already left you pm's 542101;1393789043;ThickAsThieves;and said the same things we all did 542102;1393789055;ThickAsThieves;the walls are in your head 542103;1393789061;FabianB;TestingUnoDosTre: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2014#541341 542104;1393789062;TestingUnoDosTre;how do i view said pms? 542105;1393789081;benkay;well fuck you're using a webchat client 542106;1393789085;benkay;who could even tell 542107;1393789094;TestingUnoDosTre;much appreciated, for the actual help fabian 542108;1393789115;kakobrekla;yes and rude benkay can just fuck off 542109;1393789121;benkay;GOSH 542110;1393789127;benkay;your manners are all AWFUL 542111;1393789131;Duffer1;Testing that message would have shown on your client with the name "gribble" 542112;1393789150;benkay;;;later tell TestingUnoDosTre this will result in a PM 542113;1393789150;gribble;The operation succeeded. 542114;1393789159;benkay;you thick skulled neanderthal 542115;1393789159;kakobrekla;lolk just busting balls. 542116;1393789175;benkay;your businesses are all going to FAIL for lack of CUSTOMER SERVICE 542117;1393789183;benkay;don't you KNOW 542118;1393789189;benkay;the CUSTOMER is ALWAYS RIGHT 542119;1393789192;kakobrekla;uhh huhhh 542120;1393789198;kakobrekla;i better hire some PR 542121;1393789199;TestingUnoDosTre;im using this webchat freenode on a phone. is that still possible to view? 542122;1393789221;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: you'll want to use a computer computer. 542123;1393789224;cazalla;i would assume alexa doesn't count mobile app traffic 542124;1393789228;cazalla;right or wrong? 542125;1393789230;kakobrekla;to deal with all the letterels 542126;1393789271;TestingUnoDosTre;also. i did lay down .5 btc. how much is needed is unclear from mods message 542127;1393789288;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: have you tried doubling or quadrupling? 542128;1393789322;benkay;the general message you should be accepting is that you need to interface with bitbet via bitbet. the people behind bitbet set it up the way it is so as to minimize these sorts of interactions. 542129;1393789330;benkay;if the mods say "moar" try doubling your bet. 542130;1393789341;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.0426 = 1.4058 BTC [-] {2} 542131;1393789351;benkay;everyone has told you what to do, now stop blathering and do it. 542132;1393789352;kakobrekla;eh 542133;1393789352;TestingUnoDosTre;not yet, but i will as long as its not a waste of time 542134;1393789357;FabianB;TestingUnoDosTre: did you follow that link? 542135;1393789363;kakobrekla;ops nevermind that line. 542136;1393789402;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 449 @ 0.00051506 = 0.2313 BTC [-] {4} 542137;1393789465;kakobrekla;TestingUnoDosTre the word was 10 btc will pretty much guarantee it, the lower you go the less likely will it be, likely. 542138;1393789472;ThickAsThieves;this doesnt count as a waste of time? 542139;1393789485;benkay;no, because you see talking is important. 542140;1393789509;ThickAsThieves;the best customer service comes from mommies 542141;1393789513;TestingUnoDosTre;yes I did read it 542142;1393789551;TestingUnoDosTre;surprised at the amount of miniscule bets on the website if theyre always staking .1btc 542143;1393789586;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00085635 = 7.9641 BTC [+] 542144;1393789588;benkay;maybe the mods are trying to cut down on zero-interest bets, TestingUnoDosTre. 542145;1393789591;benkay;who can even tell 542146;1393789646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08489767 = 0.2547 BTC [-] 542147;1393789661;ThickAsThieves;that's cuz bitbet is funding many of those bets 542148;1393789671;kakobrekla;all of them 542149;1393789809;qwebirc420729;I get so much shit in asking why .5 btc wasnt a good enough stake, while this bet staked at .03 btc was acceptedhttp://bitbet.us/bet/767/openly-gay-player-in-major-league-baseball-before/ 542150;1393789839;benkay;the market for that linked bet is rather large 542151;1393789870;mircea_popescu;this dude. 542152;1393789873;benkay;and dude, stop getting all prickly 542153;1393789891;qwebirc420729;think the pool will get over 10 btc? 542154;1393789896;mircea_popescu;;;later tell TestingUnoDosTre stop arguing shit and do what you're told or not do what you're told. there's no prize for arguments, this isn't school. 542155;1393789896;gribble;The operation succeeded. 542156;1393789924;qwebirc420729;thats me 542157;1393789993;mircea_popescu;mkay. 542158;1393790053;qwebirc420729;the reason I got all prickly was because benkay was acting like a royal douche. kakobrekla was straightforward and helpful 542159;1393790054;mircea_popescu;https://hitbtc.com/ 542160;1393790055;ozbot;Fast, stable and easy Bitcoin Exchange / hitbtc 542161;1393790056;mircea_popescu;da fuck is that shit. 542162;1393790086;mircea_popescu;qwebirc420729 ya but i mean, what can anyone say. nobody gives a shit about mmm, everyone's obsessed with faggotry. 542163;1393790095;mircea_popescu;obviously the two aren't comparable. 542164;1393790131;mircea_popescu;"HITBTC CUSTOMERS ARE IN THE BEST CARE AND SOLVENCY IS OUR MIDDLE NAME 542165;1393790131;mircea_popescu;hitbtc regularly monitors its balances in both crypto-currencies and fiat reserves. Our investors have provided us with enough liquidity to keep our customers safe and satisfied. We have heavily invested into hiring the best auditors and accountants to protect the balances of the people who put their faith in our exchange." 542166;1393790146;mircea_popescu;yet another leading provider of fantasy bitcoin involvement. 542167;1393790237;kakobrekla;<qwebirc420729> the reason I got all prickly was because benkay was acting like a royal douche. kakobrekla was straightforward and helpful < this cant be, sure its not the other way round? 542168;1393790273;mircea_popescu;;;google does alexa count mobile app traffic 542169;1393790274;gribble;How Accurate are Alexa, Compete, DoubleClick and Google Trends?: <http://blog.kissmetrics.com/free-analytics-accuracy/>; Alexa: Does Alexa track traffic from iPhones or iPads? - Quora: <http://www.quora.com/Alexa/Does-Alexa-track-traffic-from-iPhones-or-iPads>; Alexa Rank & Visitor Count Estimates - Accuracy Problem: <http://www.soccerwidow.com/blogging/website-monetising (1 more message) 542170;1393790309;mircea_popescu;cazalla basically it's the tunebox system nielsen research uses for tv audiences 542171;1393790317;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00529995 = 0.2014 BTC [+] 542172;1393790318;mircea_popescu;some (5? ) peope with their retarded toolbars. 542173;1393790377;benkay;kakobrekla: it's spring. everything in bitcoin is upside down and filled with le 'tard. 542174;1393790401;benkay;i'm the asshole, you're the helpful. north is south and the argentine peso is the bedrock of civilization. 542175;1393790409;kakobrekla;:D 542176;1393790416;kakobrekla;all swell then 542177;1393790424;mircea_popescu;benkay did the girl pack it an' leave ? 542178;1393790433;mircea_popescu;you seem distinctly... seminal. 542179;1393790439;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0426 = 0.426 BTC [-] 542180;1393790448;benkay;that's funny 'cause i just discharged my reserves not one hour ago 542181;1393790457;benkay;guess i'm just...spunky today 542182;1393790461;mircea_popescu;try the other hole ? 542183;1393790501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00529929 = 0.1166 BTC [-] {2} 542184;1393790510;kakobrekla;other hole is best hole. 542185;1393790528;mircea_popescu;otter whore. 542186;1393790536;kakobrekla;it never occured to me but i guess thats why men have it too prolly. 542187;1393790644;BingoBoingo;Oh the lulz https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=980.msg132214#msg132214 542188;1393790669;mircea_popescu;wait 542189;1393790673;mircea_popescu;litecointalk ?! srsly ?! 542190;1393790678;mircea_popescu;is there dogetalk ? 542191;1393790686;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Prolly 542192;1393790696;kakobrekla;eskimo liveS?! 542193;1393790708;mircea_popescu;lmao 542194;1393790711;kakobrekla;i thought he did a runner 542195;1393790720;mircea_popescu;i wonder how the brilliant "let's buy clay ovens for bitcoin" plan worked. 542196;1393790730;kakobrekla;u r wrong 542197;1393790733;kakobrekla;ovens for litecoins 542198;1393790735;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla he did do a runner. this is the pretense of not having done a runner 542199;1393790740;mircea_popescu;o right 542200;1393790804;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riy4God934c << check this out. 542201;1393790805;ozbot;House of Games (1987) - Short Con - Western Union Scene - YouTube 542202;1393791074;kakobrekla;hehe 542203;1393791119;BingoBoingo;http://indrus.in/news/2014/03/02/crimean_authorities_confirm_takeover_of_military_units_33433.html 542204;1393791120;ozbot;Crimean authorities confirm takeover of military units | Russia & India Report 542205;1393791154;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo by "the people" 542206;1393791167;mircea_popescu;in honesty, the russian army is much more powerful than the us by this point 542207;1393791172;mircea_popescu;not because they could drop more bombs, 542208;1393791179;BingoBoingo;Of course, favorite quote: "Putin, who is the Supreme Commander of the Russian Armed Forces, has not yet ordered the deployment of a limited military contingent in Ukraine" 542209;1393791188;mircea_popescu;but because i am pretty certain the us could not field 15k ish special ops that can take over crimeea 542210;1393791254;BingoBoingo;Well, US special ops are too busy cleaning up US messes. Also crimean people would prolly not like US special ops. They would sound funny talking and smell weird. 542211;1393791305;BingoBoingo;Russian special ops sound and smell familiar 542212;1393791321;mircea_popescu;and so the failure of us army is compounded by failure of us diplomacy ? 542213;1393791325;mircea_popescu;hurray for hollywood. 542214;1393791328;BingoBoingo;Of course 542215;1393791373;BingoBoingo;US special ops are still busy in deserts and mountains engaged in war against people who until 2003 had no idea there was a United States or that they lived in Afghanistan 542216;1393791394;mircea_popescu;that was in 2005 542217;1393791399;mircea_popescu;meanwhile they've got killed and maimed 542218;1393791412;mircea_popescu;the replacements are... well, you know, like the people replacing all those dead in wtc 542219;1393791415;mircea_popescu;replacements. 542220;1393791427;BingoBoingo;Or their contracts ran out and Blackwater paid better 542221;1393791451;mircea_popescu;in many fields pay is a secondary consideration, 542222;1393791460;mircea_popescu;professional respect and not running with the larmers comes first 542223;1393791468;mircea_popescu;this is visible in sports, where a top team needs to pay less 542224;1393791470;mircea_popescu;and in academia 542225;1393791475;mircea_popescu;and definitely in special opsing. 542226;1393791488;mircea_popescu;where you know, being part of the loser team may mean your details get leaked and you're fucked. 542227;1393791502;mircea_popescu;kinda why no one in the top 10 works for the us today. 542228;1393791537;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 193 @ 0.00529992 = 1.0229 BTC [+] {2} 542229;1393791549;mircea_popescu;btw, why does blackwater keep rebranding ? 542230;1393791565;mircea_popescu;and is it going to be called "Naomi" in 2015 ? 542231;1393791665;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It keeps branding, because I imagine it is in a business where the customers don't need the brand to find you. 542232;1393791671;BingoBoingo;http://indrus.in/economics/2014/02/21/mig-31_a_fighter_ahead_of_its_time_33233.html 542233;1393791672;ozbot;MiG-31: A fighter ahead of its time | Russia & India Report 542234;1393791689;mircea_popescu;i guess 542235;1393791707;mircea_popescu;which begs the question why even have a brand at all, but i guess that'd be a little facetious. 542236;1393791789;BingoBoingo;Eh, some line has to appear on the credit card statement. 542237;1393791837;BingoBoingo;ANd some people don't spank the wife enough to have a line that simply read "porn" 542238;1393791842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3687 @ 0.00085297 = 3.1449 BTC [-] {2} 542239;1393791910;mircea_popescu;confucius sez, "he who not spank wife sooner or later spank monkey" 542240;1393792086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.0008553 = 8.7241 BTC [+] {2} 542241;1393792513;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1200 @ 0.000185 = 0.222 BTC [+] 542242;1393792876;Duffer1;confucius sez: "he 542243;1393792877;Duffer1;who not spank wife sooner or 542244;1393792879;Duffer1;later spank monkey" 542245;1393792897;Duffer1;perfect haiku 542246;1393792975;mircea_popescu;ty ty 542247;1393793098;kakobrekla;http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg5467882#msg5467882 542248;1393793100;ozbot;[ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG 542249;1393793104;kakobrekla;lolz gold 542250;1393793166;benkay;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/02_bitcoins-derivative-marketplace-kills-btcusd-options-declares-price-signal-garbage.html 542251;1393793167;ozbot;Bitcoin's Derivative Marketplace Kills BTC/USD Options, Declares Price Signal Garbage 542252;1393793199;mircea_popescu;o hai 542253;1393793286;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4924847#msg4924847 542254;1393793288;ozbot;[ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG 542255;1393793291;mircea_popescu;time t relink that i guess 542256;1393793312;benkay;god only knows why forum pr is actually necessary 542257;1393793323;benkay;i suppose it's actually advertising? 542258;1393793360;mircea_popescu;the idyllic notion is that someone sane ending up on the forum by accident follows the light out of there. 542259;1393793399;benkay;something like that 542260;1393793464;Duffer1;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1yzp5k/im_a_journalist_i_want_to_be_able_to_write_about/cfp8tr9 542261;1393793465;ozbot;Duffer comments on I'm a journalist. I want to be able to write about Bitcoin confidently and accura 542262;1393793489;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.09000004 = 0.81 BTC [-] {2} 542263;1393793537;mircea_popescu;curious how that workds out. 542264;1393793550;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00085635 = 9.3342 BTC [+] 542265;1393793550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.13311598 = 0.7987 BTC [-] 542266;1393793687;kakobrekla;http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95441.20;topicseen 542267;1393793689;ozbot;[Cryptostocks] BBBB Bitcoin Emerging Market Fund 542268;1393793694;kakobrekla;if you are looking for lolz, this one delivers 542269;1393793733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 2900 @ 0.0055 = 15.95 BTC 542270;1393793758;mircea_popescu;so you found a new usagi huh 542271;1393793772;kakobrekla;with pics 542272;1393793774;kakobrekla;http://sites.google.com/site/surfcapitalmgmt/about-us 542273;1393793775;mircea_popescu;"Explanation: I've decided to liquidate the fund's AsicMiner position. I'd like to start diversifying the fund's exposure to different aspects of the Bitcoin economy. " 542274;1393793775;ozbot;People - Surf Capital Mgmt 542275;1393793783;mircea_popescu;that's logical, if you live in fucktardia 542276;1393793791;mircea_popescu;"I'll be submitting a vote to shareholders to decide which company the fund should start buying shares in next. " 542277;1393793801;mircea_popescu;that's even logical-er if you live in fuctardiaintheassia 542278;1393793811;kakobrekla;its amazing 542279;1393793811;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 542280;1393793816;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would a fund manager take votes from investors 542281;1393793822;kakobrekla;mhm 542282;1393793827;mircea_popescu;why is he there then 542283;1393793850;mircea_popescu;"o, i know, i'll buy into Bob's hedge fund, because i really want my capital to be used according to how some idiots i don't know vote" 542284;1393793888;kakobrekla;jurov you are famous now http://sites.google.com/site/surfcapitalmgmt/capital-markets 542285;1393793927;jurov;lol so the day came 542286;1393793929;mircea_popescu;shit, making a logo is fuckin dangerous 542287;1393793948;mircea_popescu;https://sites.google.com/site/surfcapitalmgmt/contact 542288;1393793948;ozbot;Contact - Surf Capital Mgmt 542289;1393793957;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the kidis trying, even has a gpg sig 542290;1393793968;mircea_popescu;and a virtual office 542291;1393793977;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00533932 = 0.4538 BTC [+] {2} 542292;1393793984;kakobrekla;https://sites.google.com/site/surfcapitalmgmt/_/rsrc/1373571130958/contact/6th%20and%20Main.jpg?height=400&width=266 542293;1393793987;kakobrekla;seems real to me! 542294;1393794038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 414 @ 0.00538198 = 2.2281 BTC [+] {5} 542295;1393794079;mircea_popescu;https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/xRUYHGYRQCSR83JW0K6M/convert?w=1024&h=1024&fit=crop 542296;1393794081;mircea_popescu;he even has a gf! 542297;1393794111;kakobrekla;a nonvirtual 542298;1393794122;ThickAsThieves;she got sumthing in her eye 542299;1393794128;mircea_popescu;http://www.meetup.com/Cincinnati-Bitcoin/member/96313302/ 542300;1393794132;mircea_popescu;basically aspiraitonal kid 542301;1393794133;kakobrekla;cum again tat? 542302;1393794139;ThickAsThieves;cumthing* 542303;1393794166;kakobrekla;asspirational? 542304;1393794167;mircea_popescu;they don't really look like they're fucking tbh 542305;1393794168;the20year;Covington KY? eh 542306;1393794184;the20year;wish Columbus had a meetup 542307;1393794195;mircea_popescu;"I currently work as a Segway tour guide in downtown Cincinnati." 542308;1393794198;mircea_popescu;the20year so make one. 542309;1393794201;ThickAsThieves;dudes with sunglasses necklaces only get fucked on sailboats or Martha's Vineyard 542310;1393794214;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well, he looks preppy. 542311;1393794221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08479999 = 0.3392 BTC [-] 542312;1393794222;mircea_popescu;maybe hispano chicks fuck preppy kids in ohio. 542313;1393794232;mircea_popescu;also aspirational. 542314;1393794239;kakobrekla;segway tour guide 542315;1393794245;kakobrekla;wtf is that 542316;1393794246;ThickAsThieves;they have sailboats in ohio? 542317;1393794250;Bones;A blight upon humanity 542318;1393794258;ThickAsThieves;it means he helps fat people get fatter 542319;1393794273;kakobrekla;is he selling segways or driving tourists around with them 542320;1393794278;kakobrekla;i dont get it 542321;1393794283;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla he has one of those retarded mobile tricycles and he feels up fat women from behind while derping around downtown bumfuck 5mph 542322;1393794283;ThickAsThieves;he's leading them like a mother duck 542323;1393794288;Bones;He drives in front and talks about his town 542324;1393794293;ThickAsThieves;segwaying around walking trails 542325;1393794302;kakobrekla;aha so basically he is jobless 542326;1393794313;mircea_popescu;no, he's aspie-rational 542327;1393794322;ThickAsThieves;it's a stepping stone to doing kayak tours 542328;1393794334;mircea_popescu;What excites you about Bitcoin and other digital currencies? 542329;1393794334;mircea_popescu;Bitcoin is to the money as the internet was to communication. 542330;1393794344;ThickAsThieves;was 542331;1393794354;ThickAsThieves;i miss the internet 542332;1393794367;mircea_popescu;you know i wish once these kids went out and said it plain. "bitcoin excites me because it's what tits are to cars" 542333;1393794379;the20year;most of the ohioans I know in bitcoin are pretty low performers 542334;1393794393;mircea_popescu;" I believe that Bitcoin and the idea of cryptographic trade will be huge in our lifetime. Digital currencies like Bitcoin free trade from political and economic hindrances. Some examples of the benefits of Bitcoin trade are 1.) faster processing times when compared to traditional banking systems 2.) transaction fees are mininal 3.) no chargebacks 4.) cash out to Dollars, Euros, etc." 542335;1393794400;mircea_popescu;well... he's studied, anyway. 542336;1393794406;kakobrekla;now someone paste a loglink in that thread, i cunt cause im banned from that shithole 542337;1393794414;kakobrekla;ty 542338;1393794421;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla we are banned with you in spirit. 542339;1393794431;kakobrekla;heh 542340;1393794459;mircea_popescu;https://sites.google.com/site/surfcapitalmgmt/asset-management 542341;1393794459;ozbot;Asset Management - Surf Capital Mgmt 542342;1393794466;mircea_popescu;check him out. he holds vmc and cog 542343;1393794478;the20year;if i run a capital management firm i REALLY want to make it in google sites 542344;1393794491;ThickAsThieves;i used up my sock-baiting for the week https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5456678#msg5456678 542345;1393794493;mircea_popescu;dude check them out! 542346;1393794493;mircea_popescu;https://sites.google.com/site/surfcapitalmgmt/about-us 542347;1393794494;ozbot;People - Surf Capital Mgmt 542348;1393794498;mircea_popescu;they're cute, what. 542349;1393794515;mircea_popescu;they're practically finance lolis. 542350;1393794532;ThickAsThieves;fixed income analyst 542351;1393794536;ThickAsThieves;welfare assraper 542352;1393794542;mircea_popescu;Robert B. Kelly III 542353;1393794542;mircea_popescu;CIO, Fixed Income Analyst 542354;1393794542;mircea_popescu;Roberts role at Surf Capital Management as Chief Financial Officer puts him as the head of investment research for Surf Capital Management. 542355;1393794557;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves fixed income would mean bonds in the context he aspires to. 542356;1393794559;kakobrekla;good for ponzi analyses 542357;1393794569;the20year;is surf capital mr cincinatti's company? 542358;1393794577;mircea_popescu;yea 542359;1393794588;mircea_popescu;"Garrett founded the firm in 2012 with the goal of bringing virtual currency investing into the mainstream by providing comprehensive research, trading, and asset management services." 542360;1393794592;the20year;wonder why he didn't buy my stock? He's a horu away from me 542361;1393794595;ThickAsThieves;Garr? 542362;1393794599;mircea_popescu;wait wtf 542363;1393794602;mircea_popescu;this is actually Garr ?! 542364;1393794606;mircea_popescu;o gawd have mercy 542365;1393794610;Duffer1;oh shit lol 542366;1393794610;the20year;lol 542367;1393794613;kakobrekla;;;google surfin' usa 542368;1393794614;gribble;Surfin' U.S.A. (song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfin'_U.S.A._(song)>; Surfin' U.S.A. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfin'_U.S.A.>; The Beach Boys - Surfin' U.S.A. - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fGaBv8pAMA> 542369;1393794616;mircea_popescu;omfgwtfbbq 542370;1393794627;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla did you know this ? 542371;1393794638;kakobrekla;no wai 542372;1393794642;kakobrekla;i think you got it mixed up 542373;1393794648;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 225 @ 0.00549205 = 1.2357 BTC [+] {5} 542374;1393794649;mircea_popescu;no i did not. 542375;1393794654;mircea_popescu;see the about us page above. 542376;1393794658;ThickAsThieves;Surf Capital Management was one of the principal investors in computer hardware companies that implemented application specific integrated circuits (ASICs) to process transactions on the Bitcoin network. 542377;1393794674;mircea_popescu;what are the fucking odds, this noob a) claims he started in 2012 b) is named garett c) holds cog 542378;1393794683;kakobrekla;but 542379;1393794686;ThickAsThieves;175% 542380;1393794690;kakobrekla;he was in garrs thread 542381;1393794694;kakobrekla;begging to take over cog 542382;1393794695;mircea_popescu;195% 542383;1393794700;kakobrekla;and everyone said fuck off 542384;1393794701;the20year;lol 542385;1393794702;mircea_popescu;215% 542386;1393794706;the20year;Guess I could drive and ask him 542387;1393794718;kakobrekla;garr is some kiddo 542388;1393794722;mircea_popescu;tHIS is some kiddo 542389;1393794722;kakobrekla;not wearing a tie 542390;1393794728;ThickAsThieves;even Garrs age 542391;1393794730;mircea_popescu;just graduated failuni 542392;1393794744;kakobrekla;no i still dont belive 542393;1393794759;mircea_popescu;Xavier has an undergraduate enrollment of 4,485 students and graduate enrollment of 2,165. Xavier is primarily an undergraduate, liberal arts institution. Graduate programs include occupational therapy, education, counseling, nursing, English, theology, psychology, and business. 542394;1393794778;mircea_popescu;Kiplinger's Personal Finance listed Xavier 70th among 100 private college and universities as a "Best Value" for 2013. 542395;1393794789;mircea_popescu;Forbes ranked 220th among America's Top Colleges for 2013, 174th among private colleges and 46th in the Midwest. 542396;1393794798;mircea_popescu;46th in the midwest... there's like 50 total 542397;1393794851;ThickAsThieves;another lul for ya https://twitter.com/garrettkeirns/status/338336893366329345 542398;1393794882;mircea_popescu;kid wants to do stuff. 542399;1393794899;mircea_popescu;i suppose suggesting he reads the log is inappropriate, he's too young to have a year to spare. 542400;1393794900;kakobrekla;http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg4124694#msg4124694 542401;1393794901;ozbot;Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] 542402;1393794953;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.08058492 = 1.934 BTC [-] {7} 542403;1393794959;ThickAsThieves;"I think this conference call would be highly beneficial, and a necessary step in moving forward. I'll send out an email to shareholders shortly inviting everyone to participate in a conference call. I am certainly open to the decentralization of everything, which includes our hardware of course." 542404;1393794964;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5467629#msg5467629 542405;1393794965;ozbot;Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] 542406;1393794974;ThickAsThieves;lol 542407;1393794979;mircea_popescu;so wait he is quoting himself while responding to himself and to himself from another account ? 542408;1393794999;ThickAsThieves;well thats what he does 542409;1393795008;kakobrekla;hmmm 542410;1393795011;kakobrekla;fuck it maybe you are right 542411;1393795015;kakobrekla;he did that before. 542412;1393795020;kakobrekla;but im still not 100% 542413;1393795025;kakobrekla;that he is THAT retarded 542414;1393795029;mircea_popescu;didn't he apologize for bidding on his own auction and promised that it a) was the first and b) will be the last time ? 542415;1393795030;ThickAsThieves;... 542416;1393795061;kakobrekla;btw 542417;1393795063;kakobrekla;http://www.linkedin.com/pub/garrett-macdonald/4a/234/61 542418;1393795064;ozbot;Garrett MacDonald | LinkedIn 542419;1393795066;kakobrekla;this is garr 542420;1393795096;kakobrekla;so he changed the surname but not the first name?? 542421;1393795106;kakobrekla;i doubt it 542422;1393795115;mircea_popescu;uh 542423;1393795119;mircea_popescu;maybe he got married. 542424;1393795135;ThickAsThieves;March 2012 he started COG, same month as Surf Capital 542425;1393795137;kakobrekla;but he is like 12 542426;1393795143;mircea_popescu;so wait 542427;1393795150;BingoBoingo;Maybe MacDonald was a fake last name? 542428;1393795152;mircea_popescu;a retarded finance loli from Hayden, Idaho called garret 542429;1393795160;mircea_popescu;used the internet to link up with 542430;1393795179;mircea_popescu;a retarded finance loli from c, ohio, called garrett ? 542431;1393795196;mircea_popescu;THIS IS NOT POSSIBRU IRL 542432;1393795206;mircea_popescu;i call shenanigans. 542433;1393795221;kakobrekla;anyway i put my money its not same dude 542434;1393795224;kakobrekla;we can bitbet 542435;1393795235;mircea_popescu;this is all a scam perpetrated by ken slaughter 542436;1393795243;mircea_popescu;who likes to pretend he's little bois on the interwebs 542437;1393795256;BingoBoingo;Maybe he is just the physical incarnation of sockpuppeting? 542438;1393795273;mircea_popescu;we need some red pills here presto 542439;1393795278;mircea_popescu;this is heavy matrix shit 542440;1393795321;mircea_popescu;Current 542441;1393795321;mircea_popescu;Founder and CEO at Cognitive Mining 542442;1393795321;mircea_popescu;Past 542443;1393795321;mircea_popescu;Task Accomplisher at AMI Machining 542444;1393795334;mircea_popescu;dude that's almost like segway tourist stuff 542445;1393795348;kakobrekla;he forgot to mention, since he is the only one at cog, he also cleans the toilets. 542446;1393795383;mircea_popescu;what toilets ? 542447;1393795386;mircea_popescu;they hold it in. 542448;1393795393;kakobrekla;lol. 542449;1393795413;BingoBoingo;clognative 542450;1393795439;kakobrekla;:D 542451;1393795474;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5446803#msg5446803 542452;1393795475;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings 542453;1393795480;mircea_popescu;the forum has decided neobee site sucks 542454;1393795504;mircea_popescu;https://www.google.com/search?q=neobee&complete=0 542455;1393795512;mircea_popescu;am i the only one getting Webmail - Orion telekom ? 542456;1393795515;mircea_popescu;;;google neobee 542457;1393795516;gribble;Neo & Bee Payment Network (NEOBEE) - Havelock Investments: <https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=NEOBEE>; [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.0>; NEOBEE® 1053 | Stepan Company: <http://www.stepan.com/Products/Specialty-Products/NEOBEE%C2%AE/NEOBEE%C2%AE-1053.aspx> 542458;1393795523;kakobrekla;first hit is webmail 542459;1393795548;mircea_popescu;i guess must be cause we're yurpeans ? 542460;1393795573;kakobrekla;but thats another thing completley 542461;1393795578;kakobrekla;neobee.net is not neobee 542462;1393795588;ThickAsThieves;all the website things they are specifying are the ones the CSS guy went off-mockup 542463;1393795589;mircea_popescu;not .com either 542464;1393795590;ThickAsThieves;:( 542465;1393795591;mircea_popescu;what is it, cy ? 542466;1393795604;ThickAsThieves;http://www.neo-bee.com/en/ 542467;1393795606;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves what's the a tyt 542468;1393795606;ozbot;Neo :: Home 542469;1393795610;kakobrekla;but yeah, i get the european joke. 542470;1393795619;ThickAsThieves;bad seo it seems 542471;1393795628;ThickAsThieves;Neo :: Home 542472;1393795630;mircea_popescu;seems kinda banal 542473;1393795630;ThickAsThieves;:/ 542474;1393795635;mircea_popescu;what are they so incenst about ? 542475;1393795643;ThickAsThieves;the typography mostly 542476;1393795647;ThickAsThieves;which is indeed wrong 542477;1393795666;ThickAsThieves;but it started cuz something else entirely, 542478;1393795667;mircea_popescu;that bnlonde milf's head being cut by the neo block is visually awkward 542479;1393795672;mircea_popescu;yeah i guess i see it, kinda amateur. 542480;1393795683;ThickAsThieves;they are mad they couldnt make new LMB accounts on the last day shares were availab;e 542481;1393795685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00085211 = 6.3056 BTC [-] {3} 542482;1393795688;ThickAsThieves;(cuz they couldnt arb) 542483;1393795706;mircea_popescu;what, shares no longer trade ? 542484;1393795710;mircea_popescu;!t h neo 542485;1393795711;assbot;Shit. You ain't even old enough to smoke. 542486;1393795715;mircea_popescu;uh 542487;1393795723;ThickAsThieves;i'm rferring to ipvo shares 542488;1393795732;mircea_popescu;!t h neobee 542489;1393795732;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00510012 / 0.00535824 / 0.00559000 (4742 shares, 25.40876855 BTC), 7D: 0.00319950 / 0.00487664 / 0.00600000 (376229 shares, 1834.73380260 BTC), 30D: 0.00261000 / 0.00428779 / 0.00600000 (555632 shares, 2382.43388633 BTC) 542490;1393795736;ThickAsThieves;new outstandings 542491;1393795738;mircea_popescu;i thot it autcompetes. 542492;1393795761;mircea_popescu;a cause they sold at 32 or what 542493;1393795767;ThickAsThieves;3 542494;1393795779;ThickAsThieves;and on last day went up 5-10% 542495;1393795790;ThickAsThieves;so everyone got their daytrader hats on 542496;1393795800;ThickAsThieves;but not everyone's conf emails made it thru spam 542497;1393795814;mircea_popescu;benkay your typography is a mess too btw 542498;1393795825;mircea_popescu;cause randomly fonts are larger and smaller and it makes no friggin sense 542499;1393795840;ThickAsThieves;i say 'everyone' but it's really like 1 or 2 guys with 5 sox 542500;1393795859;mircea_popescu;obv. 542501;1393795900;ThickAsThieves;i was tempted to offer free coins to the sox as sorry if more than 2 could show previous share ownership 542502;1393795907;ThickAsThieves;but meh 542503;1393795930;mircea_popescu;never do that. 542504;1393795937;ThickAsThieves;sox have infinite hp 542505;1393795940;ThickAsThieves;can't win 542506;1393795949;mircea_popescu;never buy from spam emails, never pay retards etc 542507;1393795967;peterl;don't feed the trolls 542508;1393795972;ThickAsThieves;right 542509;1393796016;ThickAsThieves;also tempted to do a moderated thread, but of course then you get all the troll in the speculation thread moving from website design complaints to scam accusations 542510;1393796024;ThickAsThieves;wtb wot forum 542511;1393796028;mircea_popescu;nah, those are a bad idea 542512;1393796039;benkay;mircea_popescu: on the subject of shit that ain't getting fixed, your footnote tooltips are also busted 542513;1393796047;ThickAsThieves;^ 542514;1393796055;mircea_popescu;benkay jesus christ you people. 542515;1393796060;kakobrekla;lol gotta love assets. 542516;1393796061;ThickAsThieves;lol 542517;1393796069;benkay;file it under "i know and don't care" for both of us 542518;1393796091;ThickAsThieves;tooltips need moar css 542519;1393796104;benkay;mpex tables are ugly too while we're at it 542520;1393796108;benkay;CSS MEANS PROFESSIONAL 542521;1393796109;kakobrekla;css line a day keeps the doctor away. 542522;1393796130;ThickAsThieves;and those charts 542523;1393796153;benkay;yeah need some css on your charts breh 542524;1393796161;ThickAsThieves;i hope CSS4 has chart features 542525;1393796169;kakobrekla;those charts are like for colorblind or something. 542526;1393796175;benkay;i hear js 3 has embedded css 542527;1393796225;ThickAsThieves;http://dev.w3.org/csswg/selectors4/ 542528;1393796226;ozbot;Selectors Level 4 542529;1393796236;ThickAsThieves;enjoy! 542530;1393796236;kakobrekla;sector level 4 542531;1393796242;kakobrekla;like some old 2d game 542532;1393796265;benkay;kakobrekla the javascripts dollars you're using are all wrong too 542533;1393796281;kakobrekla;what should i be using javascript bitcoins? 542534;1393796285;benkay;duh! 542535;1393796293;kakobrekla;;> 542536;1393796294;benkay;bitquery 542537;1393796305;kakobrekla;lol 542538;1393796306;benkay;jurov i don't even know where to begin with you 542539;1393796329;benkay;(bquery) 542540;1393796340;kakobrekla;>chanserv< register #bitcoin-css 542541;1393796340;kakobrekla;-ChanServ- #bitcoin-css is now registered to kakobrekla. 542542;1393796431;benkay;bquery library has all functions in jquery 542543;1393796445;benkay;they all just clobber the dom with a picture of a naked girl in public 542544;1393796452;kakobrekla;lmao 542545;1393796453;mircea_popescu;benkay check how fixed they are, bish 542546;1393796454;benkay;1% of the time it's an obese whale 542547;1393796526;ThickAsThieves;do they still disappear before i'm done reading them? 542548;1393796530;benkay;do that yourself, mircea_popescu? 542549;1393796558;mircea_popescu;mp's timeline : :34 bishes bish. :35 yells and screams :36 orders changes :39 is delivered changes :40 dey see me rollin dey hatein 542550;1393796582;mircea_popescu;AGILE ELOPEMENT! 542551;1393796631;benkay;agile antelope 542552;1393796751;mircea_popescu;and to celebrate, 542553;1393796751;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7jg0dBvfu1rbfx6uo1_1280.jpg 542554;1393796783;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07866673 = 0.236 BTC [-] {3} 542555;1393796844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00085685 = 9.1255 BTC [+] {2} 542556;1393796872;*;mircea_popescu now watches benkay tear his entire shitty stack apart because apparently in sucks.py you don't have a function for unrandomizing font sizes 542557;1393796921;benkay;i have yet to receive an actual bug report here 542558;1393796940;benkay;just folks on the other side of the wire saying "gosh it should really look a different way" 542559;1393796991;benkay;and i don't take dependencies for myself or clients on python libraries. period. 542560;1393797020;benkay;but! link me to an example of rando-sizing and i'll take a look at it. 542561;1393797205;benkay;mircea_popescu ^^ 542562;1393797208;mircea_popescu;Reproduced for posterity: 542563;1393797210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00545 = 0.327 BTC [-] 542564;1393797212;mircea_popescu;Icbit.se lists a future which 542565;1393797217;mircea_popescu;Having a depend 542566;1393797222;mircea_popescu;they'reall different sizes 542567;1393797340;benkay;they're all the same size. <li>'s inside a footnote have different linespacing. 542568;1393797372;benkay;dunno if you can inspect elements in lynx and get their computed css properties, but if you do that you can verify the above claim. 542569;1393797513;benkay;anyways when there's capital to be flushed down the drain of styling around here you can bet i'll do it. appearances ain't a priority on anything but http://survantjames.com until we're booked for a year solid. 542570;1393797670;PsychoticBoy;!btceuro 542571;1393797679;mircea_popescu;da fuck is a survantjames 542572;1393797822;mircea_popescu;"You can't see it, but since this is America, the problem here is debt. Not credit card debt, though I suspect that's substantial too, but self-esteem debt. They're borrowing against their future accomplishments to feel good about themselves today, hoping they'll be able to pay it back." 542573;1393797853;mircea_popescu;and since we're on it, http://i.imgur.com/2wOLMo9.png 542574;1393797952;benkay;it's a scam 542575;1393797999;kakobrekla;gf showed me that earlier 542576;1393798003;kakobrekla;i said its armpits 542577;1393798007;kakobrekla;but i didnt get a close look 542578;1393798201;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla thats probably because you've not seen hair on a woman's pubis since 2005 542579;1393798213;mircea_popescu;stop dating tweens! 542580;1393798238;kakobrekla;tween would be nice. 542581;1393798240;kakobrekla;s 542582;1393798373;peterl;what's the gribble command to see the current exchange rate? 542583;1393798387;ThickAsThieves;http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/bitcoin-gambling-sites-fly-regulatory-radar/ 542584;1393798387;ozbot;Gamblers wager billions on unregulated Bitcoin betting sites | Updates | PBS NewsHour | PBS 542585;1393798394;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker 542586;1393798399;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 558.01, Best ask: 558.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.98000, Last trade: 559.22, 24 hour volume: 5157.75311747, 24 hour low: 553.0, 24 hour high: 574.0, 24 hour vwap: 563.038889631 542587;1393798430;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08496914 = 0.2549 BTC [+] {2} 542588;1393798438;peterl;oh noes, not unregulated gambling! 542589;1393798491;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1338 @ 0.00018499 = 0.2475 BTC [-] {2} 542590;1393798492;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00540015 = 0.1512 BTC [-] {2} 542591;1393799208;FabianB;MPEx.rb 0.7.0 released 542592;1393799345;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.09 = 0.36 BTC [-] 542593;1393799463;mircea_popescu;FabianB new features ? 542594;1393799615;FabianB;mircea_popescu: someone requested 'push' without having to use the 'plain' raw command 542595;1393799624;mircea_popescu;ah yes 542596;1393799628;mircea_popescu;cool 542597;1393799638;FabianB;and improved security of password handling (even though i recommend using gpg-agent) 542598;1393799772;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.005488 = 0.1372 BTC [+] 542599;1393799822;FabianB;some improvements to the portfolio cmd too (statistics of STAT / prices) 542600;1393799955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11190 @ 0.00085095 = 9.5221 BTC [-] 542601;1393800611;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/how-one-defence-staffer-stood-up-for-access-to-information-1.2555659 542602;1393800612;ozbot;How one defence staffer stood up for Access to Information - Politics - CBC News 542603;1393800626;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.005488 = 0.4116 BTC [+] 542604;1393800748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.005488 = 0.1043 BTC [+] 542605;1393800809;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.005488 = 0.2744 BTC [+] 542606;1393801175;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.08050002 = 0.805 BTC [-] {4} 542607;1393801297;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00548797 = 0.4445 BTC [-] {2} 542608;1393801907;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.06989999 = 1.0485 BTC [-] {4} 542609;1393802151;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0054898 = 0.3019 BTC [+] {2} 542610;1393802212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00549 = 0.302 BTC [+] 542611;1393802336;nubbins`;right on, brought a stack of zines to a coffee shop yesterday and they've got a third of them sold already 542612;1393802342;nubbins`;and are inquiring about shirts :0 542613;1393802639;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00549248 = 0.9337 BTC [+] {2} 542614;1393802700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00549985 = 0.55 BTC [+] 542615;1393802713;benkay;to your business, nubbins` 542616;1393802739;*;nubbins` drains his beer 542617;1393802823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00549985 = 0.7975 BTC [+] {2} 542618;1393802824;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9315 @ 0.00085282 = 7.944 BTC [+] {3} 542619;1393802825;benkay;shipped a project skeleton last week and the pm wants to bring us on to another project he's doing 542620;1393802832;benkay;here's to a fantastic 2014, assettes 542621;1393802884;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00549985 = 0.2475 BTC [+] 542622;1393803134;nubbins`;nice 542623;1393803137;nubbins`;cheers all around 542624;1393803310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00548977 = 0.2525 BTC [-] {2} 542625;1393803711;nubbins`;"It seems like Mark Karpeles is blinking "GAG" repeatedly in MORSE code during the video, did anyone else notice this?" 542626;1393803711;nubbins`;heh 542627;1393803859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09 = 0.18 BTC [-] 542628;1393803920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.09 = 0.36 BTC [-] 542629;1393804164;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 174 @ 0.00575 = 1.0005 BTC [+] {2} 542630;1393804165;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00549985 = 0.11 BTC [+] 542631;1393804348;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00085708 = 4.7139 BTC [+] 542632;1393804469;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.13311598 = 0.9318 BTC [-] 542633;1393804591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07946807 = 1.192 BTC [-] {7} 542634;1393805323;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.08496619 = 0.7647 BTC [+] {3} 542635;1393805411;benkay;http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/25/magazine/25STOCK-TRADER.html?pagewanted=all 542636;1393805412;ozbot;Jonathan Lebed: Stock Manipulator, S.E.C. Nemesis -- and 15 - New York Times 542637;1393805415;benkay;kid needs to get into btc 542638;1393805417;benkay;make a killing 542639;1393805521;benkay;"Greg and Connie were born in New Jersey, but from the moment the Internet struck, they might as well have just arrived from Taiwan. When the Internet landed on them, it redistributed the prestige and authority that goes with a general understanding of the ways of the world away from the grown-ups and to the child. The grown-ups now depended on the child to translate for them. Technology had turned them into a family of immigrants." 542640;1393805525;benkay;future of btc 542641;1393806177;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.0054 = 0.135 BTC [-] {2} 542642;1393807702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00539998 = 0.1674 BTC [+] {2} 542643;1393807764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 132 @ 0.00539998 = 0.7128 BTC [+] {3} 542644;1393808173;nubbins`;lel 542645;1393808179;nubbins`;rg is raging at the world in -otc 542646;1393808190;nubbins`;he disappeared for a week with a bunch of loans outstanding 542647;1393808201;nubbins`;and is now scrambling to undo the damage 542648;1393808211;benkay;who is rg? 542649;1393808218;kakobrekla;oh my. 542650;1393808234;kakobrekla;he had a vps company listed on mpex benkay 542651;1393808248;benkay;ah right and sold it to someone else iirc? 542652;1393808250;kakobrekla;later to get a real job and leaving it up with namworld 542653;1393808257;kakobrekla;or something 542654;1393808263;kakobrekla;cause real jobs is the future 542655;1393808293;benkay;steve jobs is the future 542656;1393808348;BingoBoingo;Nah, Steve Jobs had Pancreatic cancer, Real Jobs is the last survivor of the Jobs family 542657;1393808373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00085711 = 1.4571 BTC [+] 542658;1393808377;assbot;Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1679958/plain/) 542659;1393808377;benkay;!b 3 542660;1393808377;BingoBoingo;Eventually no Jobs will be left 542661;1393808438;benkay;ah nice, assbot doesn't bash assbot quotes 542662;1393808440;benkay;er, lines 542663;1393808451;benkay;that's right we had some luls with that one time 542664;1393808489;benkay;hey nubbins` would you be a friend and pastebin some logs of the -otc drama for us? 542665;1393808505;kakobrekla;yes its a feature, not a bug .:\ 542666;1393808552;kakobrekla;yes drama give. btcusd is low. drama nao!! 542667;1393808558;nubbins`;benkay, it's just noise 542668;1393808560;benkay;moar drams 542669;1393808569;nubbins`;nothing particular lel-worthy, just some guy grasping at straws 542670;1393808570;benkay;well it might be caselaw nubbins` that's the thing 542671;1393808579;benkay;in fact i'm pretty sure it's caselaw 542672;1393808591;kakobrekla;did he lose it on gox' 542673;1393808620;BingoBoingo;Wait, More Electronic Rap Ghost drama? 542674;1393808651;benkay;pretty please, nubbins`? 542675;1393808659;kakobrekla;its Rap Electronic Ghost, not Electronic Rap Ghost 542676;1393808670;nubbins`;http://pastebin.com/mBuUdzFh 542677;1393808670;ozbot;[21:05:50] <rg> but i had to pay rent today [21:06:04] <nezZario> The only - Pastebin.com 542678;1393808678;nubbins`;that's as far back as my client goes 542679;1393808681;benkay;thanks bruvva 542680;1393808683;nubbins`;apparently i'm not saving logs 542681;1393808693;benkay;me neither - gotta fixit. 542682;1393808696;nubbins`;he was lurking as Guest56803 for the past few days 542683;1393808705;nubbins`;finally decided to start talking today 542684;1393808759;kakobrekla;well what has the world come to 542685;1393808786;kakobrekla;rap electronic ghosts living of xpm atcoins 542686;1393808791;kakobrekla;altcoins 542687;1393808906;kakobrekla;o lol 542688;1393808907;kakobrekla;[21:20:29] <rg> <HappzzC__: im workin with like 2500 ms latency here 542689;1393808907;kakobrekla;[21:21:00] <HappzzC__> yeah, youre like a week late snd i depend on the miney 542690;1393808916;dub__;;;ud paying the rent 542691;1393808917;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Paying%20the%20Rent | Paying the Rent. A sex position in which the man fits his shoulders into the back of the womans knees, lifts her off the ground so that only her shoulders are on ... 542692;1393808917;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: Paying the Rent 542693;1393808921;kakobrekla;ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE ANYONE 542694;1393808933;kakobrekla;lol dub 542695;1393808952;dub__;rg is butthurt his jacked botnets no longer make banque 542696;1393808971;kakobrekla;pretty much 542697;1393809156;dub__;ah the log goes into that 542698;1393809166;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34374 @ 0.00085789 = 29.4891 BTC [+] 542699;1393809205;benkay;eenie meenie money no mo' 542700;1393809205;nubbins`;also butthurt that i rated him -2 542701;1393809216;nubbins`;doesn't seem to want to come to terms that this is because i don't trust him 542702;1393809230;nubbins`;which, after all, is what a web of trust is 542703;1393809246;nubbins`;it's not a web of people who eventually made good in the end after being publicly embarassed 542704;1393809266;nubbins`;[21:43:53] <rg> well this is annoying 542705;1393809266;nubbins`;[21:43:57] <rg> and everyone is being mean to me 542706;1393809266;nubbins`;[21:43:58] <rg> so im leaving 542707;1393809410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0054 = 0.243 BTC [+] 542708;1393810613;benkay;well that's bloody interesting 542709;1393810621;benkay;not really writeup worthy, except for participants 542710;1393810631;dub;what is 542711;1393810633;benkay;and to work for posterity just oodles of research into this rapeghost character 542712;1393810643;benkay;nubbins` pastebin from earlier, dub 542713;1393810645;dub;heh 542714;1393810664;dub;dude is og but scetchy as fuck 542715;1393810676;nubbins`;^ 542716;1393810682;dub;I got stories 542717;1393810692;nubbins`;me too, you've likely heard em 542718;1393810704;benkay;what are your stories, dub? 542719;1393810813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6703 @ 0.00019 = 1.2736 BTC [+] 542720;1393810961;dub;I don't hate the guy, no reason to drag old shit into the -assets blogparty 542721;1393810992;benkay;it's all going to come out eventually. 542722;1393811051;dub;and he ragequits all the time, the signal-drama ration is about normal 542723;1393811062;dub;ratio* 542724;1393812399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.0054 = 0.999 BTC [+] 542725;1393812887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00085864 = 8.0712 BTC [+] 542726;1393813375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.0054 = 0.3294 BTC [+] 542727;1393814046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00085864 = 3.177 BTC [+] 542728;1393814468;benkay;no atc on coinedup 542729;1393814469;benkay;https://coinedup.com/ 542730;1393814471;ozbot;Coined Up - The FREE Crypto-Only Currency Exchange 542731;1393814473;benkay;get on it, alters 542732;1393814754;Jakamoko;did you build that exchange? 542733;1393815876;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09 = 0.27 BTC [-] 542734;1393816553;benkay;more on the US polizei's role as underclass regulators: http://www.nickfarr.org/2014/02/what-i-learned-from-an-unfortunate-incident-with-the-nypd/ 542735;1393817157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10145 @ 0.00085882 = 8.7127 BTC [+] {2} 542736;1393817370;BingoBoingo;;;later tell mircea_popescu Maybe you are right http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-navy-seals-found-dead-captain-philips-ship-20140219,0,4241146.story?utm_campaign=linkbox_override&utm_source=wwwlatimes&utm_content=section#axzz2urlu269Y 542737;1393817370;gribble;The operation succeeded. 542738;1393817706;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04399749 = 0.176 BTC [+] {3} 542739;1393818073;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [-] {2} 542740;1393818815;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu re auroracoin wtf http://www.mbl.is/vidskipti/frettir/2013/12/19/hoftin_stodva_vidskipti_med_bitcoin/ 542741;1393818816;gribble;The operation succeeded. 542742;1393819536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00517503 = 2.5875 BTC [-] {18} 542743;1393819658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 542744;1393819712;herbijudlestoids;hullo 542745;1393819716;herbijudlestoids;just checking in 542746;1393819720;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.044599 = 0.1784 BTC [+] 542747;1393819983;B007;hi 542748;1393820008;benkay;oh hey herbijudlestoids good to know you're still alive 542749;1393820028;kakobrekla;i thought he wasnt coming back 542750;1393820036;B007;no it is his programmed bot on his vps 542751;1393820059;B007;he is dead since yesterday 542752;1393821057;benkay;hey guys 542753;1393821081;benkay;what goes on the ideal crypto-savvy human's personal-security checklist? 542754;1393821120;MisterE;John Kerry: "You just don't in the 21st Century behave...by invading another country on completely trumped-up pretext" http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26405635 542755;1393821134;MisterE;he smokes a lot of cock 542756;1393821459;B007;o rly? I heard he likes to eat it raw 542757;1393822190;dub;benkay: like physical skurity? or general bcp 542758;1393822317;dub;standard cryptotarian carry, ar15 concealed in banjo case 542759;1393822352;B007;ak-47 + extended mag ftw 542760;1393822668;BingoBoingo;benkay: Tack hammer on one's belt 542761;1393822789;chetty;horn-rim glasses and a pocket protector 542762;1393822865;BingoBoingo;Nah, one doesn't want to appear to be a dorky BTC Jesus. One wants to look like a simple blue collar actual jesus. 542763;1393823300;benkay;or suits as the case may be. 542764;1393823320;benkay;probably relatively high-profile from target perspective. 542765;1393823334;benkay;"oh, dude has btc. let's breach his personal security and get 'em." 542766;1393823421;benkay;but also it has to be a sustainable, fault-tolerant thing that a person can practice their whole lives. 542767;1393823422;kakobrekla;basically you need some nut a wrench cant unscrew 542768;1393823447;benkay;"personal crypto security: basically impossibly hard" 542769;1393823501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-] 542770;1393823507;benkay;i'm thinking best practices for personal backup and recovery strategy for keys and private contracts and such. 542771;1393823518;dub;BingoBoingo has it really, don't get caught 542772;1393823532;dub;no amount of kit will protect you from a determined attacker 542773;1393823561;asciilifeform;benkay: "personal crypto security: basically impossibly hard" << every time this is said, nsa cafeteria fillets and serves a white tiger kitten (or insert rarer and cuter animal) 542774;1393823561;benkay;sure sure 542775;1393823582;B007;benkay: all your bitcoins are belong to me 542776;1393823601;benkay;no i know asciilifeform, it's in quotes for a reason 542777;1393823608;benkay;okay i have this gpg key 542778;1393823617;B007;just store your keys encrypted and offline, hope for the best? 542779;1393823627;benkay;how do i best ensure i have access to it forever? 542780;1393823632;dub;benkay: one thing I do is delete or hide any wallets im carrying across borders 542781;1393823644;benkay;encrypted image with all important keys and files? 542782;1393823806;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.0008829 = 0.1324 BTC [+] 542783;1393823860;BingoBoingo;carry some microfiche that looks like a one time pad and you actual keys more discretely, misdirect the attention 542784;1393823867;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00088299 = 0.2649 BTC [+] {2} 542785;1393823899;benkay;faugh 542786;1393824086;BingoBoingo;perhaps find a "collectible" surplus or replica for the purpose 542787;1393824111;chetty;fillup a lot of storage with random stuff, encrypted with different keys, lose it in the mess 542788;1393824173;benkay;obfuscation 542789;1393824185;benkay;i'm afraid of becoming an old man and actually losing it in the mess, though. 542790;1393824190;asciilifeform;none of you seem to be thinking about the obvious 542791;1393824204;asciilifeform;situation where enemy (willing to torture and kill) knows that you're loaded 542792;1393824213;asciilifeform;and doesn't know (or care) where you keep the stash 542793;1393824220;asciilifeform;but has your arse 542794;1393824224;asciilifeform;and a soldering iron. 542795;1393824234;chetty;cyanide 542796;1393824237;asciilifeform;for some reason i thought that is what this line of thought was about. 542797;1393824272;benkay;more along the lines of list of things to do that will reduce attack surface area 542798;1393824281;benkay;maximize key durability 542799;1393824288;benkay;and access 542800;1393824294;asciilifeform;next lower class of attack: enemy willing to steal every single one of your identifiable possessions 542801;1393824327;benkay;right. they got the backups. 542802;1393824371;benkay;so the only thing to do is an encrypted drive with a memorized dicelist. 542803;1393824374;asciilifeform;the only real defence is: obscurity 542804;1393824408;chetty;#1 - don't be a target, #2 - don't be an easy target 542805;1393824451;benkay;#3 make it hard to parse the possibility space, #4 have rock solid encryption as a last barrier? 542806;1393824486;benkay;am i retarded or is this problem hard? 542807;1393824513;benkay;is there a checklist for the professional keyholder i've failed to find? 542808;1393824531;asciilifeform;wtf is a professional keyholder 542809;1393824543;benkay;i have a wot key 542810;1393824551;benkay;it is the sum of my identity 25 years from now 542811;1393824556;benkay;my whole business is tied up in this thing 542812;1393824561;benkay;i lose it, i lose everything 542813;1393824590;benkay;i'm interested in best practices for this sort of scenario. 542814;1393824607;asciilifeform;encrypt, using a process known only to you, and inject in the blockchain. 542815;1393824659;asciilifeform;(if you are not willing to pay what this costs, the payload cannot be important) 542816;1393824703;benkay;yeah, i'll buy that. 542817;1393824718;chetty;in the end a key based id is no different than the various numbers and stuff we use now, how do you protect those? 542818;1393824744;asciilifeform;'pay' in the sense that stuffing bits in the blockchain costs. 542819;1393824809;benkay;what is the going rate per kb? 542820;1393824828;asciilifeform;benkay: depends on the actual mechanism used. 542821;1393824840;asciilifeform;under no circumstances should you tell us - or anyone else - which. 542822;1393824864;benkay;ah, right. 542823;1393824914;asciilifeform;programmatically pissing out transactions is trivial, use your imagination. 542824;1393825026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00085899 = 5.2398 BTC [+] {2} 542825;1393825364;benkay;thank you, asciilifeform. 542826;1393825441;asciilifeform;benkay: remember that steganography, unlike cryptography, cannot be simultaneously strong and standardized. 542827;1393825468;asciilifeform;('standardized stego' is the key hidden under door mat.) 542828;1393825758;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3678 @ 0.00055795 = 2.0521 BTC [+] {8} 542829;1393825819;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00085948 = 5.6726 BTC [+] {2} 542830;1393825904;benkay;mhm. 542831;1393826388;MisterE;Crimerians are happy the Russians are there 542832;1393826415;benkay;stuff like this as well: http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2005-December/027626.html 542833;1393826435;benkay;thumbs up or down on revocation certs safely stored offline? 542834;1393826476;benkay;i guess just another aspect of the problem we all face that we never talk about in public because just talking about it exposes your practices 542835;1393826483;benkay;sheeeeit 542836;1393827833;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.0053666 = 0.1073 BTC [-] 542837;1393827954;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40150 @ 0.00085607 = 34.3712 BTC [-] {4} 542838;1393828444;Jakamoko;looks like mtgox got hacked again 542839;1393828449;Jakamoko;http://pastebin.com/W8B3CGiN 542840;1393828450;ozbot;[PHP] <?php namespace Money; class Bitcoin { #const BITCOIN_NODE = '173.224.12 - Pastebin.co 542841;1393828735;ThickAsThieves;sry of alrdy linked: http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/78404559815/tbi-exclusive-more-resignations-coming-at-the-bitcoin 542842;1393828753;ThickAsThieves;Matonis and Vess resigning 542843;1393828821;ThickAsThieves;also, supposed gox leak http://pastebin.com/W8B3CGiN 542844;1393828864;ThickAsThieves;"nanashi____ who posted the leaked recording between Mark Karpeles and the Japanese bank also says there is a 20GB MySQL database. An unknown group is trying to decode it and retrieve non-personal information at the moment, and may release a torrent later." 542845;1393828871;ThickAsThieves;IRC log: http://pastebin.com/N7B5DC4d 542846;1393828922;ThickAsThieves;audio http://picosong.com/Y7di/ 542847;1393828982;ThickAsThieves;supposedly boring conversation in japanese about laws 542848;1393829031;Jakamoko;supposedly they got access to the user's aml documentation 542849;1393829052;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.0053666 = 0.3005 BTC [-] 542850;1393829314;benkay;kewl 542851;1393829690;chetty;Tim Cook has shocked some in the US with an impassioned attack on the single-minded pursuit of profit and a direct appeal to climate-change deniers not to buy shares in his firm. 542852;1393829756;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ouch 542853;1393829914;benkay;;;gpg eauth freenode:#bitcoin-otc:dcc0be6c1a24011e376ab8d29c7bbd11ab3a913e394fd3f41913c798 542854;1393829914;gribble;Error: This nick is not registered. Please register. 542855;1393829915;benkay; 542856;1393829930;benkay;buwaaat 542857;1393829939;benkay;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:dcc0be6c1a24011e376ab8d29c7bbd11ab3a913e394fd3f41913c798 542858;1393829939;gribble;You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7 542859;1393829939;benkay; 542860;1393830411;KRS-One;.bait 542861;1393830412;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4rd4aKvSt1qkv4ajo1_500.jpg 542862;1393830424;mircea_popescu;in new news : bitcoin scamdation running out of the us 542863;1393830436;KRS-One;BREAKING NEWS: USD transaction maleability issue. News at 11. 542864;1393830445;mircea_popescu;maybe this way they'll escape prosecution and everything 542865;1393830455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.005602 = 0.112 BTC [+] 542866;1393830459;mircea_popescu;you'd think bfl's vleisides is advising them. 542867;1393830516;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.0054 = 0.135 BTC [+] 542868;1393830613;Apocalyptic;damn, i've been off for a while and it seems the gox drama is keeping on 542869;1393830751;mircea_popescu;o yeah, this is good drama, gotta keep it for at least a month. 542870;1393830806;Apocalyptic;the AML data leak kinda bothers me 542871;1393830895;mircea_popescu;because why ? 542872;1393830911;mircea_popescu;it's great, it will encourage anyone who isn't an imbecile to not send his data to aml bs. 542873;1393830954;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is here to kill aml anyway. why prolong its agony. 542874;1393830973;Apocalyptic;yeah I can agree on that 542875;1393831030;joecool;oh god i was missing this kind of scamming 542876;1393831033;joecool;so good 542877;1393831049;mircea_popescu;anyway. for the record : people quitting Bitcoin Foundation now are going to be getting exactly zero credit for it. 542878;1393831065;mircea_popescu;they should have quit when i said it's a scam, not wait till after i killed their piggybank. 542879;1393832041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 171 @ 0.00540363 = 0.924 BTC [-] {7} 542880;1393832346;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.0051002 = 0.2805 BTC [-] {7} 542881;1393832407;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00506247 = 0.1468 BTC [-] {4} 542882;1393832515;mircea_popescu;benkay well yes, the icelanders are under insane capital controls. what's the surprise here ? 542883;1393832619;bitcoinpete;hi 542884;1393832627;benkay;and yet the aurora coin people are nominally going to give coins to icelandic folk? 542885;1393832650;benkay;the surprise is that people buy this particular scam. 542886;1393832657;mircea_popescu;people will buy anything. 542887;1393832671;mircea_popescu;this is the problem with welfare : this sort of idiot should be on a starvation diet 542888;1393832678;mircea_popescu;that way you ensure any resources they have are judiciously expended. 542889;1393832695;mircea_popescu;if they have as much as one cent extra over what the bare minimum their sustenance requires, 542890;1393832705;mircea_popescu;they'll spend it to buy britney spears records and aurora coins 542891;1393832736;mircea_popescu;this is a serious problem, because one cent from one billion scum results in enough piled up money for shit like spears and aurora coin to pretenbd like they matter. 542892;1393834664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5831 @ 0.00085548 = 4.9883 BTC [-] {2} 542893;1393835763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57 = 1.71 BTC [-] {2} 542894;1393835924;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.new#new 542895;1393835925;ozbot;Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam. 542896;1393836213;benkay;belabour 542897;1393836226;benkay;neat coinage 542898;1393837226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00572531 = 0.2863 BTC [+] {5} 542899;1393837780;vexuall;Can I get a link to pankkakes mpex charting? 542900;1393837902;azi`;gah I hope the guys at gox didn't store the passwords in playintex 542901;1393837906;azi`;plaintext* 542902;1393838019;vexuall;Mark, ll keep running it from fraudblock on analdroid like nothings wrong 542903;1393838211;azi`;have u guys seen that someone stole personal data from gox just recently? 542904;1393838281;benkay;azi` you could check the logs 542905;1393838296;benkay;they're linked in the message of the day. 542906;1393838317;benkay;sorry nobody's around to tell you your news is stale on cue 542907;1393838335;vexuall;Ben10 can you point me to pankakke, s sexiness? 542908;1393838402;benkay;i think ihop's over thattaway baby doll 542909;1393838426;vexuall;Ugg 542910;1393838429;benkay;yo be a luv and hit us with some baile funk 542911;1393838505;vexuall;Jailhouse rock. Elvis 542912;1393838519;benkay;sounds like stupid old person music 542913;1393838590;benkay;hey and what happened to your nick 542914;1393838595;benkay;;;gettrust Vexual 542915;1393838595;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never 542916;1393838619;benkay;you know vex you can get in the wot with just a btc wallet 542917;1393838667;vexuall;I dont have a notebook right now 542918;1393838779;vexuall;;; gettrust Benkay 542919;1393838780;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user vexuall to user Benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=vexuall&dest=Benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013 542920;1393838802;benkay;yeah well how the fuck am i supposed to rate you if you're not even in the wot?! 542921;1393838820;vexuall;Who gives a fuck what I think? 542922;1393838829;benkay;you play sweet tunes 542923;1393838863;benkay;give it three years you might talk mp into flying you out to dj the next secret bitcoinspiracy con 542924;1393838926;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, "The only reason TradeFortress wasn't similarly has to do with cash" // I believe the foundation vouched for him in the sense they published some logo or whatever advertising for inputs.io 542925;1393838995;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08491521 = 0.1698 BTC [+] 542926;1393839222;vexuall;Tunnel time 542927;1393839294;vexuall;.bait 542928;1393839296;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m38ywxlyOX1qa9gago1_500.jpg 542929;1393839488;Apocalyptic;amazingly it's still there : https://members.bitcoinfoundation.org/current 542930;1393839488;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 542931;1393839500;vexuall;Apo: proof of hack was invented long ago 542932;1393839773;vexuall;2 year gox exploit? Bullshit 542933;1393839914;vexuall;Good luck buying a corner to piss in dux 542934;1393840074;dexX7_;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zaqvy/bitstamp_email_list_used_to_spread_mtgox_malware/ 542935;1393840075;ozbot;Bitstamp email list used to spread Mt.Gox malware : Bitcoin 542936;1393840337;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8950 @ 0.0002 = 1.79 BTC [+] 542937;1393840436;vexuall;Such negligence 542938;1393840448;vexuall;Wow 542939;1393840548;dexX7_;this is probably teh end of bitcoin :( 542940;1393840549;vexuall;Such that an irc handle wont save you 542941;1393840581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1900 @ 0.00020721 = 0.3937 BTC [+] {2} 542942;1393840595;vexuall;;) 542943;1393840669;vexuall;Some dude said how the internet routs around fucktardery wnd cesorship 542944;1393840703;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3545 @ 0.00020999 = 0.7444 BTC [+] {3} 542945;1393840764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.08495399 = 0.7646 BTC [+] {3} 542946;1393840792;HeySteve;vexuall, yeah but he said it about usenet 542947;1393840820;vexuall;Still a thing :) 542948;1393840825;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08497585 = 0.3399 BTC [+] {4} 542949;1393840879;HeySteve;Chinese might not agree 542950;1393840886;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59988999 = 1.1998 BTC [+] 542951;1393840912;vexuall;Do they have newsgroups? 542952;1393841110;vexuall;Alt.binaries.blockchain 542953;1393841280;vexuall;Not to be confused with atc. Altcoin 542954;1393841350;vexuall;;; ug altcoin 542955;1393841351;gribble;Error: "ug" is not a valid command. 542956;1393841384;vexuall;Gimme love assbot 542957;1393841421;vexuall;.d 542958;1393841421;ozbot;3.816 billion | Next Diff in 1582 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.8253% in 10d 13h 23m 22s 542959;1393841435;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 542960;1393841519;vexuall;Ugg 542961;1393841618;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 38 @ 0.08000553 = 3.0402 BTC [-] {5} 542962;1393841619;vexuall;Binaries.blockchain 542963;1393841679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08 = 0.32 BTC [-] 542964;1393841923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02134426 = 0.1067 BTC [+] {2} 542965;1393841984;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC 542966;1393842079;vexuall;+o 542967;1393842226;vexuall;Fuck you assbot 542968;1393842249;wao-ender;v00h, this is hell wimmie crazy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFdHe-_82Xc 542969;1393842290;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0802 = 0.401 BTC [+] {3} 542970;1393842635;chetty;<dexX7_> this is probably teh end of bitcoin :( <<<<< what again??? 542971;1393842660;dexX7_;hehe 542972;1393842672;dexX7_;it's different this time! 542973;1393842688;dexX7_;< kidding ;) 542974;1393842895;vexuall;Ugg I need a blog 542975;1393843145;vexuall;Warm yor cake hole corn hole sppooon fed fuckstick face by the fire 542976;1393843221;vexuall;Laughing time is over 542977;1393843513;wao-ender;any reccomendation on some bitcoin related-art? 542978;1393843728;cazalla;people buy bitcoin related art? 542979;1393844607;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08000001 = 0.32 BTC [-] {2} 542980;1393844790;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08000001 = 0.32 BTC [-] 542981;1393845034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00085672 = 8.5244 BTC [+] 542982;1393847413;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0760015 = 0.228 BTC [-] 542983;1393847840;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07600002 = 0.532 BTC [-] 542984;1393848023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3832 @ 0.00021 = 0.8047 BTC [+] {2} 542985;1393848938;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00085679 = 14.5226 BTC [+] 542986;1393849060;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.005377 = 0.4839 BTC [-] {3} 542987;1393849295;ThickAsThieves;yes the post is errored in that TF was a Silver Member of the BTCFundnation 542988;1393849365;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00536625 = 0.2147 BTC [-] {5} 542989;1393849501;wao-ender;TF? 542990;1393849514;ThickAsThieves;TradeFortress 542991;1393849528;ThickAsThieves;Inputs.io specifically 542992;1393849546;wao-ender;ah inputs.. 542993;1393849561;ThickAsThieves;you can still see the Silver Member logo on his site today if you click thru www.inputs.io 542994;1393849954;nubbins`;wow, so bitstamp lost their email list? lel 542995;1393850036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.005366 = 0.1502 BTC [-] 542996;1393850097;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00516003 = 0.1135 BTC [-] {4} 542997;1393850280;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.044499 = 0.267 BTC [+] 542998;1393850571;HeySteve;we have the story of Karpele's fraud in France before he fled to Japan and started Gox - http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/03/03/exclusive-tibanne-co-ltd-sentenced-2013-mark-karpeless-lies-new/ 542999;1393850646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0446 = 2.23 BTC [+] 543000;1393850795;ThickAsThieves;<nubbins`> wow, so bitstamp lost their email list? lel /// I'm skeptical 543001;1393850829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0447 = 0.4917 BTC [+] 543002;1393850843;nubbins`;"some random guy" isn't exactly a reliable source for news, hey 543003;1393850951;nubbins`;HeySteve, your site's layout is broken 543004;1393851158;ThickAsThieves;Doge Tips? ... 543005;1393851171;ThickAsThieves;way to lead an article... 543006;1393851245;ThickAsThieves;"As a result of one’s legitimate desire not to pay for a job failing to comply with the original agreement" 543007;1393851248;ThickAsThieves;that's leading 543008;1393851256;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4021 @ 0.00021049 = 0.8464 BTC [-] {2} 543009;1393851317;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.0002105 = 0.1684 BTC [+] 543010;1393851321;ThickAsThieves;who takes delivery of a web dev project and THEN tests it? what web dev refunds money just cuz job isnt finished? 543011;1393851394;ThickAsThieves;so far this tells the story of every single web dev project ever 543012;1393851438;ThickAsThieves;"Mark Karpeles blatantly lied so as to hide an inexcusable fact: no development work had been done. " 543013;1393851439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00085665 = 1.8846 BTC [-] {2} 543014;1393851441;ThickAsThieves;evidence? 543015;1393851504;ThickAsThieves;"Mr. Karpeles’s lies now knew no limit." sic? 543016;1393851514;ThickAsThieves;sorry 543017;1393851520;ThickAsThieves;ignore that i read it wrong :) 543018;1393851683;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00515102 = 0.3297 BTC [-] {2} 543019;1393851866;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07999283 = 0.32 BTC [+] 543020;1393852293;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07999323 = 0.7999 BTC [+] {2} 543021;1393852306;HeySteve;nubbins, what's up with the layout? 543022;1393852598;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.13311598 = 0.9318 BTC [-] 543023;1393853040;ThickAsThieves;"It's not a currency," he said. "I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't around in the next 10-20 years." "It's being priced off the dollar," Buffett added. "It is not a durable means of exchange." 543024;1393853507;taub_;heh 543025;1393853696;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00085679 = 0.6854 BTC [+] 543026;1393853789;chetty;<ThickAsThieves> who takes delivery of a web dev project and THEN tests it? what web dev refunds money just cuz job isnt finished? <<< The US Gov? 543027;1393853829;nubbins`;big ol' whitespace breaks going down the page 543028;1393853854;nubbins`;oh, actually, it's fine now. must've not loaded properly before. 543029;1393853878;nubbins`;chetty XD 543030;1393854004;ThickAsThieves;chetty 1, TAT 0 543031;1393854612;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2} 543032;1393854733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28173 @ 0.0008568 = 24.1386 BTC [+] {2} 543033;1393855038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0905 = 0.181 BTC [-] 543034;1393855252;Neil;I pointed out the >>= bug about 1 year ago. I got laughed at on the forums. 543035;1393855280;Neil;It's undefined behaviour to shift by an amount greater than or equal to the bitwidth of the type in C and C++. No such care was taken in the bitcoind codebase. 543036;1393855282;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.080125 = 1.282 BTC [+] {3} 543037;1393855318;Neil;The laughing was something like "Yeah we'll all care about that in 2200" which is fair enough; no way will the bug last that long. And you won't care before then. 543038;1393855340;nubbins`;heh. 543039;1393855343;Neil;But a bug it is; the code wouldn't pass muster in GCC which I used to maintain. 543040;1393855426;Neil;The problem is most coders don't know the language they're writing, nor do they care. Hence the crap we deal with. We need more Dan Bernsteins and Matt Dillons. 543041;1393855453;Neil;(though DJBs language conformance was pretty shit too) 543042;1393855490;Neil;Lemme find the link 543043;1393855628;Neil;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118796.msg1294137#msg1294137 543044;1393855629;ozbot;So, what happens when bitcoins stop being produced? 543045;1393855655;Neil;Yeah so I'm zebedee on the fora 543046;1393855872;ThickAsThieves;"I can't think of any computer program that was running 130 years ago that is still running today." ... 543047;1393855953;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.091 = 0.182 BTC [+] 543048;1393856076;nubbins`;half that sentence isn't necessary 543049;1393856103;Neil;ThickAsThieves: The problem is, these are always signs that the dude that wrote it doesn't really know what they're doing. Hence why we're all running code with remote exploits. 543050;1393856104;nubbins`;actually, you could remove everything past the first three words 543051;1393856130;Neil;NSA doesn't have to try too hard. 543052;1393856176;Neil;When I release my bitcoin implementation, it may suck in many ways, but it won't have things like that in it. 543053;1393856178;nubbins`;twist: nsa foresaw digital currency and created bitcoin codebase so that a flawed implementation would ruin people on the idea 543054;1393856282;Neil;I guess I can celebrate understanding sthg mircea doesn't / didn't 24 hrs ago. There is no problem with the compilers; whatever they do is good; it's all in the language spec and doing something with no defined semantics. 543055;1393856306;ThickAsThieves;indeed, it also reminds me of the quantum mining guys somehow arguing that soliciting investors to create it would make them rich in bitcoins, while out the other side of their mouth saying that quantum invulnerable wallets can be made afterward 543056;1393856326;ThickAsThieves;also they'd open source the miners after they mined "enough" 543057;1393856331;ThickAsThieves;the whole thing was surreal 543058;1393856366;ThickAsThieves;what's worse is they weren't even scamming 543059;1393856370;ThickAsThieves;they believed it al 543060;1393856372;ThickAsThieves;l 543061;1393856380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00085612 = 38.611 BTC [-] {2} 543062;1393856404;ThickAsThieves;this is of course why ethereum can't be taken seriously, etc 543063;1393856454;Neil;Huh? They were claiming they'd be rich exploiting something whose value would go to zero being exploited? They'd have to be quick and smart in how they did said "exploiting". 543064;1393856479;ThickAsThieves;they said so on a stage as well! 543065;1393856492;ThickAsThieves;there's no smart quickness about it 543066;1393856503;ThickAsThieves;the value would be zero 543067;1393856611;ThickAsThieves;they were deadly focused on the sexiness of achieving psuedo-quantum mining and being geekchic 543068;1393856642;KRS-One;quantum computing is teh sexy 543069;1393856644;KRS-One;.bait 543070;1393856645;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/4c040e08118610beb5c147f2f8af9cfc/tumblr_mt4lryKehL1s3pvr1o1_1280.jpg 543071;1393856673;ThickAsThieves;(This was Vitalik Buterin and Jordan Ash, for the record) 543072;1393856767;ThickAsThieves;http://noospheer.wordpress.com/ 543073;1393856768;ozbot;noospheer | The Quantum Graph 543074;1393856769;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zf3di/bitstamp_and_kraken_can_you_respond_to_these/ 543075;1393856771;ozbot;Bitstamp and Kraken, can you respond to these allegations by your competitor that you aren't complyi 543076;1393856792;ThickAsThieves;has Bitstamp responded? 543077;1393856861;jurov;seems not 543078;1393856930;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.021399 = 0.428 BTC [+] 543079;1393857017;ThickAsThieves;i wonder how blurry the line is for getting banned from commenting at theverge 543080;1393857254;jurov;am i blind or did it just vanished from /r/Bitcoin/ ? 543081;1393857266;jurov;with >600 upvoes, it should be right there 543082;1393857284;jurov;anyone can check? 543083;1393857361;ThickAsThieves;[removed] 543084;1393857380;jurov;iiiinteresting 543085;1393857412;jurov;<davout> they told me i'm slanderous soul 543086;1393857418;jurov;inb4 ^ 543087;1393857431;ThickAsThieves;does davout haz twitter? 543088;1393857441;davout;@Bitcoin_Central 543089;1393857445;davout;@davoutplantaire 543090;1393857451;ThickAsThieves;thx 543091;1393857463;davout;I used the former before, now I tweet under the latter 543092;1393857478;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000884 = 0.2652 BTC [+] 543093;1393857484;davout;jurov: o, you linked to me buttraping jesse powell :D 543094;1393857652;ThickAsThieves;davout makes mean posts on forums, therefore he is a liar and only trying to promote his business. Of course! 543095;1393857661;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.0008848 = 0.2212 BTC [+] 543096;1393857722;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 170 @ 0.00088497 = 0.1504 BTC [+] {2} 543097;1393857723;ThickAsThieves;people now trust the con- more than the -vincing 543098;1393857844;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0914 = 0.457 BTC [+] 543099;1393858078;ThickAsThieves;i wondered what happened to The Genesis Block blog. It looks like they gave up writing and moved on to data 543100;1393858091;ThickAsThieves;good choice, i suppose 543101;1393858093;ThickAsThieves;http://thegenesisblock.com/ 543102;1393858094;ozbot;The Genesis Block 543103;1393858221;ThickAsThieves;Bitstamp Websocket API now available: https://www.bitstamp.net/websocket/ 543104;1393858374;nubbins`;http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htm 543105;1393858417;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: http://thegenesisblock.com/research/ 543106;1393858508;ThickAsThieves;ah they just tucked it under a misleading name 543107;1393858517;ThickAsThieves;they used to post more though 543108;1393858535;Neil;KRS-One: good bait; I have a soft spot for the Asian ladies 543109;1393858542;nubbins`;yeah, "research" is a misnomer 543110;1393858698;Neil;Hmm discus fish goes from 56K blocks to 594K blocks. 543111;1393858730;Neil;Or is blockchain.info full of it? 543112;1393859003;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00512 = 0.1638 BTC [-] 543113;1393859125;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00511 = 1.533 BTC [-] 543114;1393859329;mike_c;ok.. i give up. mpex turns off 70% of its revenue, the share price goes down basically 0%. 543115;1393859370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 475 @ 0.00088668 = 0.4212 BTC [+] {3} 543116;1393859391;jurov;give up what? 543117;1393859398;mike_c;give up trying to understand. 543118;1393859406;jurov;welcome in the club 543119;1393859413;jurov;http://giant.gfycat.com/WholeCloudyConure.gif 543120;1393859466;mike_c;^ lol. love it. 543121;1393859493;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5800001 = 1.16 BTC [-] {2} 543122;1393859584;ThickAsThieves;lol 543123;1393859674;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00510601 = 0.3115 BTC [-] 543124;1393859979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 228 @ 0.00088788 = 0.2024 BTC [+] 543125;1393860101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 862 @ 0.00021245 = 0.1831 BTC [+] {2} 543126;1393860223;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000888 = 0.2664 BTC [+] 543127;1393860345;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 443 @ 0.00511 = 2.2637 BTC [-] {2} 543128;1393860406;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00510956 = 0.4599 BTC [-] {2} 543129;1393860536;ThickAsThieves;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRIJ_jpmwzo Ver says sorry for shilling 543130;1393860536;ozbot;Roger Ver on MTGOX Bankruptcy and Bitcoin - YouTube 543131;1393860585;ThickAsThieves;bets on how long before he apologizes for this one? 543132;1393860589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00085612 = 15.3245 BTC [-] 543133;1393860672;ThickAsThieves;lol he namedrops ethereum... 543134;1393860969;davout;roger veere 543135;1393861748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00088891 = 0.2222 BTC [+] {2} 543136;1393862053;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00523699 = 0.11 BTC [+] {2} 543137;1393862054;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.021399 = 0.1926 BTC [+] {2} 543138;1393862358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07800208 = 0.156 BTC [-] {2} 543139;1393862419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0447 = 0.1788 BTC [+] 543140;1393862812;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 543141;1393862818;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 617.07, vol: 34737.99747344 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 600.02, vol: 19273.94613 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 618.0, vol: 24450.39495296 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 617.62, vol: 141.42750145 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 600.553359, vol: 9473.99400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 618.59, vol: 34.37330871 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 618.4077, vol: 193.3986179 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 543142;1393862838;BingoBoingo;Looks like the drama rally might be heating up 543143;1393863091;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-] 543144;1393863152;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0436004 = 0.218 BTC [-] {4} 543145;1393863153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.091001 = 0.455 BTC [-] {3} 543146;1393863154;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-] {3} 543147;1393863155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07794499 = 3.1178 BTC [-] {3} 543148;1393863212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0432505 = 0.173 BTC [-] {3} 543149;1393863213;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.091001 = 0.364 BTC [-] {3} 543150;1393863214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.13311598 = 0.5325 BTC [-] {3} 543151;1393863216;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 85 @ 0.07307177 = 6.2111 BTC [-] {10} 543152;1393863273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58 = 1.74 BTC [-] 543153;1393863639;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00522999 = 0.2667 BTC [-] {2} 543154;1393863700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0429 = 0.3861 BTC [-] 543155;1393863762;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0890006 = 0.178 BTC [-] {2} 543156;1393863763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2} 543157;1393863823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.089 = 0.178 BTC [-] {2} 543158;1393863824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] 543159;1393864006;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0914999 = 0.183 BTC [+] {2} 543160;1393864007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2} 543161;1393864008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00088985 = 0.8899 BTC [+] {3} 543162;1393864249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1118 @ 0.00021 = 0.2348 BTC [-] {3} 543163;1393864310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00538988 = 0.4743 BTC [+] 543164;1393864311;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07300335 = 0.219 BTC [-] {2} 543165;1393864371;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07186666 = 1.078 BTC [-] {3} 543166;1393864372;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 4180 @ 0.0055 = 22.99 BTC 543167;1393864432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.58 = 9.86 BTC [-] 543168;1393864555;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2504 @ 0.0002002 = 0.5013 BTC [-] {8} 543169;1393864615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1268 @ 0.0001938 = 0.2457 BTC [-] {7} 543170;1393864798;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.072 = 0.936 BTC [+] 543171;1393865286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5700002 BTC [-] 543172;1393865713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00085577 = 35.2577 BTC [-] {3} 543173;1393865896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+] 543174;1393865957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.36577410 BTC to 3`590 shares, 65899 satoshi per share 543175;1393866091;benkay;it's a mystery to me as well, mike_c 543176;1393866096;benkay;ready to play a game of catch-the-knife? 543177;1393866171;mike_c;except the knife isn't falling! 543178;1393866355;ThickAsThieves;while i'm not converted, mp did take the time to explain this already 543179;1393866461;mike_c;you mean http://trilema.com/2014/no-its-not-the-revenue/ ? 543180;1393866494;Duffer1;good morning 543181;1393866508;the20year2;Nice big trade today, joy 543182;1393866526;the20year2;Does mircea_popescu have a contingency plan if Russia rolls through Romania too? 543183;1393866689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.13311598 = 0.7987 BTC [-] 543184;1393866872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+] 543185;1393866943;ThickAsThieves;i dont recall which or how many articles covered the topic, but i recall them mostly boiling down to mpoe being the only sure thing in bitcoin to invest in. 543186;1393866993;ThickAsThieves;if anything can remain irrational longer than the marker, it's surely a creation of mircea_popescu ;) 543187;1393867000;ThickAsThieves;market* 543188;1393867177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00085488 = 12.2675 BTC [-] {2} 543189;1393867545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16185 @ 0.00085757 = 13.8798 BTC [+] {2} 543190;1393867604;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.090998 = 0.182 BTC [-] {2} 543191;1393867606;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 543192;1393868155;benkay;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d380847cecd5806627a3b3890957c8abf829b0f91c3111495607da04 543193;1393868155;benkay; 543194;1393868157;gribble;You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7 543195;1393868172;lalusch;casinobitco.in report online! 543196;1393868225;Duffer1;? 543197;1393868273;benkay;lalusch: well give us a link why dontcha 543198;1393868347;lalusch;https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2SWZWkGJ1V3UEo0Q0lESk5nd0k&usp=sharing 543199;1393868348;ozbot;CasinoBitco.in - Public 543200;1393868351;lalusch;here you go 543201;1393868410;Namworld;These revenues suck 543202;1393868479;lalusch;yes 543203;1393868588;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zadbh/stratfor_examining_the_future_of_bitcoin/ 543204;1393868589;ozbot;[Stratfor] Examining the future of Bitcoin : Bitcoin 543205;1393868702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00512442 = 2.0498 BTC [-] {12} 543206;1393868703;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10412 @ 0.00085519 = 8.9042 BTC [-] 543207;1393868763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59990999 = 2.3996 BTC [+] {3} 543208;1393868946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0052001 = 0.286 BTC [+] 543209;1393869047;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: any luck with that key? 543210;1393869068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00520011 = 0.26 BTC [+] 543211;1393869252;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0052001 = 0.234 BTC [-] 543212;1393869312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00510012 = 0.1734 BTC [-] {2} 543213;1393869615;wao-ender;vov 710 543214;1393869647;ThickAsThieves;http://psychologicalinvestor.com/lib/real-markets/selling-bitcoin-froth-204/ 543215;1393869647;ozbot;Selling the Froth: A Simple Hedged Forex Strategy for Bitcoin-Denominated Returns 543216;1393869657;ThickAsThieves;by Dr Greg 543217;1393869678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00510014 = 0.1326 BTC [-] 543218;1393869739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00510327 = 0.74 BTC [+] {4} 543219;1393869800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00508463 = 0.3305 BTC [-] {5} 543220;1393869861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00505001 = 0.3131 BTC [-] {3} 543221;1393870253;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker 543222;1393870255;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 669.34, Best ask: 669.72, Bid-ask spread: 0.38000, Last trade: 669.34, 24 hour volume: 51163.03455737, 24 hour low: 553.0, 24 hour high: 710.0, 24 hour vwap: 612.981668613 543223;1393870257;benkay;"The fact that this type of strategy is ever viable at all seems to me to suggest at least one of two possible explanations: either the futures market is relatively inefficient and dominated by unhedged directional bets taken by gamblers and speculators, or the aggregate view of the Bitcoin capital markets is that the counterparty risk created by exchanges like ICBIT is too high to support strategies that require maintaining a position 543224;1393870258;benkay;thru to settlement in order to ensure profitability." 543225;1393870258;ThickAsThieves;nice 543226;1393870272;benkay;no fucking joke 543227;1393870283;benkay;little bit of column a, little bit of column b 543228;1393870319;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: It's the drama bump 543229;1393870363;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/03/amazon-macbook-fraud.htm 543230;1393870410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 23 @ 0.00504804 = 0.1161 BTC [-] {5} 543231;1393870471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 227 @ 0.00502 = 1.1395 BTC [-] {5} 543232;1393870477;BingoBoingo;https://encyclopediadramatica.es/P-p-p-powerbook 543233;1393870479;ozbot;P-p-p-powerbook - Encyclopedia Dramatica 543234;1393870497;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this one is considerably funnier 543235;1393870532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00055001 = 0.165 BTC [+] 543236;1393870593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.00055 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2} 543237;1393870610;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Indeed, but it must be established that Apple Products are a serious hotbed of fraud 543238;1393870641;asciilifeform;the practical 'joke' in the piece isn't apple-specific 543239;1393870715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00556126 = 0.456 BTC [+] {2} 543240;1393870716;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 29 @ 0.021399 = 0.6206 BTC [+] 543241;1393870776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.0056699 = 0.6237 BTC [+] {2} 543242;1393870777;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.04259525 = 0.8093 BTC [-] {8} 543243;1393870778;BingoBoingo;No, but the high sticker prices seems to encourage bad behavior 543244;1393870851;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this is another one of those instances where the 'avoid ritually unclean things' formula is inadequate. 543245;1393870912;BingoBoingo;Definitely. The ritual cleasing is roughly as effictive as one of those "dream catchers" with an overly coarse net on a round wooden frame 543246;1393870913;asciilifeform;the only apple-specific detail in the plot is perhaps the difficulty of removing hdd in newer apple boxes for sanitation 543247;1393870929;asciilifeform;but this is 'coming soon to a cheap x86 box near you' at any rate 543248;1393870960;asciilifeform;soldered-down ssd is SOP on virtually all ARM boxes 543249;1393870970;asciilifeform;and those are quickly overtaking the winblows pc portable 543250;1393871018;asciilifeform;'The Market Has Spoken' (TM) that disk doesn't need to be removable. 543251;1393871020;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 180 @ 0.00567497 = 1.0215 BTC [+] 543252;1393871026;asciilifeform;or accessible independent of the machine it was bought in. 543253;1393871035;BingoBoingo;For sure. Then there's the problem where business and education market products which seem to have longer time until then now usually come with firmware rooted by default. 543254;1393871066;asciilifeform;thinking that problem with modern hardware is limited to 'rooting' is a failure of imagination. 543255;1393871082;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00500015 = 0.18 BTC [-] {3} 543256;1393871093;asciilifeform;enemy does not need to remotely control the box if he can encourage you to voluntarily practice bad comsec. 543257;1393871096;asciilifeform;and opsec 543258;1393871128;asciilifeform;e.g. mailing a personal box with live (!) environment to somebody. 543259;1393871466;asciilifeform;incidentally, hardware vendors are 100% solid wall behind this crap 543260;1393871499;asciilifeform;they stand to win big from the fact of bureaucrats (government and corporate both) mandating destruction of a whole machine upon write-off 543261;1393871510;asciilifeform;rather than merely the disk, with the remainder hitting the surplus market 543262;1393871576;asciilifeform;there is probably already a custom hydraulic press on the market for puncturing 'ipads' and the like 543263;1393871581;FabianB;;;ticker --market all 543264;1393871582;asciilifeform;with different punch settings for different brands 543265;1393871653;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 682.0, vol: 52866.12433201 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 658.0, vol: 31370.83532 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 679.99, vol: 40243.08080348 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 629.3236, vol: 14258.70400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 663.98554, vol: 56.78902517 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 652.6025, vol: 346.6546334 | Volume-weighted last average: 670.529002883 543266;1393871682;BingoBoingo;I kind of imagined an Ipad destruction machine would "fold" the thing over a few times before puncturing. 543267;1393871735;asciilifeform;i have a dell laptop circa 2007 lying around in some box. it has a 'hammer here' target embossed on the bottom. 543268;1393871742;asciilifeform;(near the hdd cavity) 543269;1393871752;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00500008 = 2.5 BTC [-] {8} 543270;1393871764;asciilifeform;military bureaucrats traditionally keep this simple. 543271;1393871796;the20year2;could always just blow it up 543272;1393871797;asciilifeform;this was a machine with a deliberately non-standard (40mm?) mechanical drive 543273;1393871870;BingoBoingo;Well, a hammer is usually the right tool for this kind of job 543274;1393871902;asciilifeform;the point is, none of this is pushed by people concerned with actual security or whatnot 543275;1393871906;asciilifeform;it's 100% revenue maximization 543276;1393872031;BingoBoingo;OMG look what the Ripple shill and spyware guy said https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5485066#msg5485066 543277;1393872240;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.005 = 0.46 BTC [-] 543278;1393872336;benkay;BingoBoingo: impossibru 543279;1393872383;BingoBoingo;Ya Rly 543280;1393872423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.005 = 1.5 BTC [-] 543281;1393872664;benkay;fuck you BingoBoingo i want my five minutes back 543282;1393872685;BingoBoingo;benkay: You are welcome 543283;1393872719;benkay;someone is sporting a foundation lifetime member badge in that thread 543284;1393872722;benkay;fml 543285;1393872728;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 989 @ 0.00490001 = 4.8461 BTC [-] {2} 543286;1393873155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00499999 = 0.125 BTC [+] 543287;1393873156;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 1.18344475 BTC to 13`595 shares, 8705 satoshi per share 543288;1393873460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05900001 = 0.236 BTC [-] {2} 543289;1393873778;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: know what's sad? with all of the bitcoin phoundation's public goatfucking, the most commonly used client remains: the one put out by them, or whatever well-connected scammer picks up the torch. 543290;1393873811;asciilifeform;at the moment, the idiots daren't take advantage of this fact 543291;1393873815;asciilifeform;but at some point, they will 543292;1393873825;asciilifeform;perhaps when qualified 'help' materializes. 543293;1393873826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00085951 = 3.0942 BTC [+] 543294;1393873888;mod6;lol, goat-rapers 543295;1393874192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1425 @ 0.000199 = 0.2836 BTC [-] {2} 543296;1393874193;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.059 = 0.177 BTC [-] {2} 543297;1393874375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 976 @ 0.0001901 = 0.1855 BTC [-] {2} 543298;1393874376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21188 @ 0.00085954 = 18.2119 BTC [+] {2} 543299;1393874436;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2033 @ 0.00019 = 0.3863 BTC [-] {2} 543300;1393874497;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 777 @ 0.00019 = 0.1476 BTC [-] {3} 543301;1393874619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 679 @ 0.00018909 = 0.1284 BTC [-] {3} 543302;1393874741;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5895 BTC [-] 543303;1393874966;kakobrekla;well, i can still negrate, despite the ban. at least something. 543304;1393875046;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5895 = 1.7685 BTC [-] 543305;1393875197;BingoBoingo;I dunno if people really read the forum for things other than the neg ratings anyways 543306;1393875991;ThickAsThieves;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-03/former-central-banker-admits-they-are-making-it-they-go-along 543307;1393875994;ozbot;Former Central Banker Admits "[They] Are Making It Up As They Go Along" | Zero Hedge 543308;1393876144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00085883 = 10.1342 BTC [-] {2} 543309;1393876266;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 833 @ 0.00018283 = 0.1523 BTC [-] {5} 543310;1393876390;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [+] 543311;1393876693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 577 @ 0.00518739 = 2.9931 BTC [+] {4} 543312;1393876754;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07299998 = 0.146 BTC [-] 543313;1393877111;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=j9cVWVcLU2w#t=351 543314;1393877183;BingoBoingo;Why can't these news agencies specify timezones http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/russias-invasion-of-ukraine-march-3-live-updates-338232.html 543315;1393877245;copumpkin;kyiv post 543316;1393877252;copumpkin;I think we can tell what timezone they're talking about 543317;1393877275;copumpkin;but yeah, I agree in general :P 543318;1393877282;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: since you seem to take an interest in the subject: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/reichstag-fire-in-kiev.html 543319;1393877432;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well my interest is largely due to http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/ which I hope to profit from on the "Yes" side by the arrival of Sradinian troops 543320;1393877509;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: betting on a proper, long-awaited nato vs. russian shooting war is great fun, but ww3 makes it a little hard to collect. 543321;1393877647;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: At the moment Bitbet seems the only real platform for hedging that risk which might deliver. 543322;1393877750;kakobrekla;but bitbet is scam http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/#c2535 543323;1393877761;kakobrekla;just ask reddit! 543324;1393877789;ThickAsThieves;interesting 543325;1393877811;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: They forget that Bitbet and not Reddit is the court though. 543326;1393877839;ThickAsThieves;so aurawracoin is already trading? before it's been distributed to every Icelandian? 543327;1393877852;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+] 543328;1393877854;ThickAsThieves;which glorius exchange? 543329;1393877861;kakobrekla;just you wait and see how fast people stop using this shit court. 543330;1393877920;BingoBoingo;I wonder how much it costs people to retain this dude's services a'la med 20th century Boxing http://mlb.mlb.com/cutfour/index.jsp#contentId=68612078 543331;1393877965;ThickAsThieves;.088btc for one AUR?! 543332;1393877997;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Just like 0.032 BTC for a Novacoin!!! 543333;1393878018;ThickAsThieves;i wish the bet was worded better though 543334;1393878019;BingoBoingo;I February 2013 543335;1393878035;ThickAsThieves;like must have 250BTC trades in a 30-day period 543336;1393878037;ThickAsThieves;or whatever 543337;1393878071;ThickAsThieves;it says "ends up" 543338;1393878075;ThickAsThieves;wtf is that? 543339;1393878107;ThickAsThieves;does it mean on that date of closure? 543340;1393878127;ThickAsThieves;i guess thatd be the best way 543341;1393878138;kakobrekla;it would imply so 543342;1393878157;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0843275 = 0.7589 BTC [+] {2} 543343;1393878364;ThickAsThieves;this twitter thing in no fun if no one responds 543344;1393878369;ThickAsThieves;is 543345;1393878382;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Who are you trying to engage? 543346;1393878413;ThickAsThieves;scammers and shills 543347;1393878435;ThickAsThieves;they so trollsilient 543348;1393878456;ThickAsThieves;https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets 543349;1393878457;ozbot;Bitcoin Error Log (Bitcoin_Assets) on Twitter 543350;1393878645;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+] 543351;1393878776;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Don't worry, they respond eventually. 543352;1393878793;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: You may also need to pick some better targets 543353;1393879058;ThickAsThieves;suggestions? 543354;1393879192;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Well you have to scope the people out a bit first and remember people like @maxkeister take the same approach to criticism Pirateat40 did, they ignore it. 543355;1393879250;ThickAsThieves;meh too much work 543356;1393879253;deadweasel;^ 543357;1393879301;BingoBoingo;Like anything else the additional work is really very little when you know what to look for. 543358;1393879316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5606 @ 0.00085998 = 4.821 BTC [+] 543359;1393879341;ThickAsThieves;i take this very seriously 543360;1393879413;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: A nice first step is checking your feed for Maybe controversial tweets from people you follow. If there are a lot of responses call out some of the idiots. 543361;1393879438;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0424 = 0.1696 BTC [-] 543362;1393879451;ThickAsThieves;that worked before i think 543363;1393879455;ThickAsThieves;it's ok 543364;1393879468;ThickAsThieves;i dont need acknowledgement from the targets though 543365;1393879472;ThickAsThieves;i know they read it 543366;1393879478;ThickAsThieves;and their heart hurts a little 543367;1393879504;mod6;troll those feeds! 543368;1393879533;Duffer1;pretty much anyone related to the bitcoin foundation or max keiser should provide you with ample work TaT 543369;1393879748;deadweasel;what's the goal here, anyway? 543370;1393879769;ThickAsThieves;no goal 543371;1393879785;ThickAsThieves;just my first time twittering in any notable quantity 543372;1393879813;ThickAsThieves;i'll probably bore of it in a couple weeks 543373;1393879889;ThickAsThieves;i mean, to fix the world. that's my goal 543374;1393879906;ThickAsThieves;by fix, i mean, make it what i think it should be at any given moment, ofc 543375;1393879987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 163 @ 0.0055 = 0.8965 BTC 543376;1393880188;ThickAsThieves;Ken Slaughter video http://www.news-leader.com/article/20140302/BUSINESS04/303020022/Bitcoin-Springfield-mining-machines-Slaughter 543377;1393880251;ThickAsThieves;;;genrate 7000 543378;1393880252;gribble;The expected generation output, at 7000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 3815723798.81, is 0.000922589212592 BTC per day and 3.84412171913e-05 BTC per hour. 543379;1393880276;ThickAsThieves;he says his avalons make $150/day 543380;1393880284;BingoBoingo;;;genrate 400000 543381;1393880286;gribble;The expected generation output, at 400000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 3815723798.81, is 0.0527193835767 BTC per day and 0.00219664098236 BTC per hour. 543382;1393880342;ThickAsThieves;"Well i called and talked to Ken today and he said Just Watch what happens in 3 weeks So i think that is the good news he is talking about, So i will wait the 3 weeks and reserve my judgement of everything till then" 543383;1393880508;ThickAsThieves;The FCC has issued a $1.9 million fine against Viacom, NBC Universal, and ESPN for their promotions of 2013 action movie Olympus has Fallen. According to a filing, it started receiving complaints in March of 2013, when Viacom-owned Comedy Central aired a trailer containing the two-tone emergency signal. The trailer aired several more times on other channels over the following days, and 543384;1393880508;ThickAsThieves;viewers weren't happy. "This is misleading and had our entire family running to the TV to find out what was going on, only to find it was a commercial," reads one complaint. 543385;1393880536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.0050004 = 0.51 BTC [-] {4} 543386;1393880597;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1498 @ 0.00500003 = 7.49 BTC [-] {3} 543387;1393880719;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.005 = 0.55 BTC [-] {3} 543388;1393880963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.13311598 = 2.6623 BTC [-] 543389;1393881512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61700 @ 0.00086145 = 53.1515 BTC [+] {4} 543390;1393882000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.09099999 = 0.455 BTC [+] 543391;1393883805;nubbins`;^ such a saucy quit msg :0 543392;1393883891;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.00499839 = 0.8397 BTC [-] {5} 543393;1393883953;mircea_popescu;Neil yah actually that article of yours is what my intel people hit me over the head with 543394;1393883974;mircea_popescu;i remembered there's something amiss but didn't actually remember wtf it was so i ended up being all derpy about it. 543395;1393884379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.08916749 = 2.14 BTC [-] {3} 543396;1393884597;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic yeah, sorta what he could get. 543397;1393884635;mircea_popescu;dexX7 yeah, they managed to lose their customer db a week or two ago. maybe that's all they lost, who's to know at this point. 543398;1393884641;cazalla;reading the casinobitco.in feb report - if bitcoin price is lower, would it be right to assume people would be more bitcoin as it's worth less? 543399;1393884657;cazalla;yet they seem to blame low price on less bets 543400;1393884694;cazalla;and no - i did not buy any of this i just like to read what people are doing 543401;1393884699;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves on the other hand, i'd be fucking amazed if buffett is still around in 10 years 543402;1393884701;mircea_popescu;let alone 20. 543403;1393884702;ThickAsThieves;well that's how it happene dwith sdice 543404;1393884718;ThickAsThieves;if it holds true it would be an indicator now that casinobit is dwindling 543405;1393884722;mircea_popescu;cazalla if there's some such effect, it'd conceivably show slower than one month 543406;1393884740;jcpham;dat gox shitshow 543407;1393884741;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Generally, advanced age can get people to go away 543408;1393884760;cazalla;they are blaming lower volume on lower price but i would think vol would be higher with lower price 543409;1393884762;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo and before it does, it can get people to be unable to evaluate the future. 543410;1393884778;mircea_popescu;o wow look at this, mpoe-pr forum heroin nao ? 543411;1393884782;mircea_popescu;or how do you say, heroess ? 543412;1393884810;cazalla;heroine? 543413;1393884811;jcpham;mircea_popescu I told someone that MPOE-PR was light years ahead of mtgox the other day 543414;1393884813;cazalla;heroiness? 543415;1393884815;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I think now the trend is China White, or Heroine 543416;1393884818;jcpham;pretty sure they agreed 543417;1393884820;kakobrekla;cazalla got a link to that 543418;1393884830;mircea_popescu;Neil when do you release such a wonder anyway ? 543419;1393884836;mike_c;the guy is 83, he gets a pass. he has quite a track record of not being stupid. 543420;1393884842;cazalla;kakobrekla: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reportdownload.php?id=70 page 4 543421;1393884851;mircea_popescu;mike_c he easily gets a pass from me too, he can say whatever the fuck he wants 543422;1393884857;mircea_popescu;doesn't mean i'll agree with what he says tho 543423;1393884881;kakobrekla;a pdf. 543424;1393884914;kakobrekla;which includes google docs spreadsheet link. 543425;1393884932;mircea_popescu;Neil at any rate, i wasn't saying there's something wron with the compilers, i said it depends how shit's implemented. basically, a write-out of "undefined" 543426;1393884932;kakobrekla;why is the report not on facebook 543427;1393884938;mike_c;which shows a complete lack of ability to run a sportsbook. 543428;1393884941;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla because facebook is for porn 543429;1393884943;mircea_popescu;o no wait. 543430;1393885010;mircea_popescu;jurov wait, reddit deletes threads ? 543431;1393885021;mircea_popescu;nah it's there, or at least i see it. 543432;1393885047;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Twitter is for porn http://deadspin.com/the-cardinals-are-very-embarrassed-by-carlos-martinezs-1530572369 543433;1393885097;mircea_popescu;blergh. 543434;1393885106;mircea_popescu;hopefully the idiot got told to get fucked by the team. 543435;1393885146;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Throws a baseball too good for that. Was told to just watch actual porn and skip the tweets 543436;1393885160;mircea_popescu;not that idiot. the other idiot. 543437;1393885169;BingoBoingo;Ah 543438;1393885172;mircea_popescu;"Matheny told two reporters this morning that he spoke privately to Martinez and that he addressed the team again about their actions on social media this morning." 543439;1393885177;mircea_popescu;matheny needs to be out of a job. 543440;1393885189;mircea_popescu;this sort of irresponsible behaviour on his part is intolerable by a major. 543441;1393885205;mircea_popescu;anyway, if i owned the cardinals he'd be fired. 543442;1393885206;BingoBoingo;Problem is he is too good as well, at being grumpy and old. 543443;1393885213;mircea_popescu;fuck him. 543444;1393885228;mircea_popescu;you don't like porn, you don't get to work. 543445;1393885233;mircea_popescu;queue at the soup kitchen. 543446;1393885247;BingoBoingo;Well, when BTC tops $10,000 Maybe buy the Cardinals? Play at MPEx stadium? 543447;1393885252;benkay;http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/ 543448;1393885255;ozbot;BitBet - Any altcoin will surpass Litecoin in market capitalization 543449;1393885268;benkay;mircea_popescu: u gon have a headache with that one 543450;1393885269;mircea_popescu;i'd rather buy something cool. 543451;1393885277;mircea_popescu;benkay tell me about it. 543452;1393885290;benkay;the "any coin" clause 543453;1393885300;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Make it a troll buy around $100k/BTC Matheny will prolly still be there by then. 543454;1393885324;mircea_popescu;;;google how much did the cardinals cost last time 543455;1393885324;gribble;St. Louis Cardinals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Cardinals>; Red Sox World Series Tickets 81% Higher Than Cardinals ... - Forbes: <http://www.forbes.com/sites/jesselawrence/2013/10/20/red-sox-world-series-tickets-81-higher-than-cardinals-tickets-for-fall-classic/>; St Louis Cardinals on the Forbes MLB Team Valuations List: (1 more message) 543456;1393885335;mircea_popescu;meh 543457;1393885387;mircea_popescu;mike_c i have no idea dood, i went to bed fully expecting to see it way lower. i come back... it's gone from 86-87 to what, 84ish 543458;1393885420;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: $150 million in 1995 543459;1393885444;mircea_popescu;owch. even at $100k / btc, it'll prolly be 10k btcs or some shit. seems excessive. 543460;1393885464;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You forget that whol 'Murica collapsing part. 543461;1393885571;mircea_popescu;copumpkin can i get a summary ? i just fucking banned youtube. 543462;1393885586;BingoBoingo;100k/BTC might be as forgetable a milestone as silver parity 543463;1393885601;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: the pope saying "cazzo" 543464;1393885605;copumpkin;during an address 543465;1393885605;mircea_popescu;haha 543466;1393885609;mircea_popescu;wait 543467;1393885613;mircea_popescu;isn't hte pope argentine ?! 543468;1393885618;mircea_popescu;he cusses in italian ?! 543469;1393885619;copumpkin;yeah, giving a speech in italian 543470;1393885628;copumpkin;it was a mistake, he was trying to say "caso" 543471;1393885640;copumpkin;:P 543472;1393885645;mircea_popescu;holy perra hermano! 543473;1393885648;copumpkin;but it was unambiguously cazzo 543474;1393885659;mircea_popescu;o i c 543475;1393885768;mircea_popescu;til : spanish is quite well gender balanced : 543476;1393885773;mircea_popescu;Then I touched her cunt. 543477;1393885773;mircea_popescu;Entonces le toqu la concha. 543478;1393885773;mircea_popescu;Entonces le toqu el mico. 543479;1393885773;mircea_popescu;Entonces le toque el coo. 543480;1393885773;mircea_popescu;Entonces le toque la panocha. 543481;1393885780;mircea_popescu;two masculine cunts, two feminine cunts. 543482;1393885784;mircea_popescu;jic. 543483;1393885846;mircea_popescu;lmao ken slaughter says THREE weeks ? 543484;1393885847;mircea_popescu;scam. 543485;1393885905;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.00495005 = 0.6782 BTC [-] 543486;1393885966;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 20 @ 0.00648 = 0.1296 BTC [+] {2} 543487;1393886116;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg5480240#msg5480240 543488;1393886118;ozbot;[ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] 543489;1393886181;BingoBoingo;http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/03/03/kennesaw-state-orders-museum-remove-are-racist-past-woman-whose-land-was-given#.UxR6DSFZPmM.twitter 543490;1393886182;ozbot;Kennesaw State orders museum to remove are on racist past of woman whose land was given to universit 543491;1393886203;Duffer1;common B-A injuries: severe bruising from facepalm repetition, permanent eyeroll syndrome 543492;1393886244;mircea_popescu;wait women are a race ? 543493;1393886256;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Maybe to aspies? 543494;1393886307;mircea_popescu;"Out of this cesspool of vice rises that hideous monster, a possible menace to every home in the South. He has the savage nature and murderous instincts of the wild beast, plus the cunning and lust of a fiend." 543495;1393886309;mircea_popescu;ouch. 543496;1393886340;asciilifeform;took a break from my usual doings, wrote psot: 543497;1393886342;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1446 543498;1393886342;mircea_popescu;"But her legacy has always been tarnished by the racist views that launched her career." / "but we've never managed to cope with the fact that people in the past did not think very much of the stereotypes we today hold dear" 543499;1393886343;ozbot;Loper OS » Modern Chumpatronic Engineering. 543500;1393886383;mircea_popescu;omgspam 543501;1393886392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18552 @ 0.00085969 = 15.949 BTC [-] 543502;1393886392;BingoBoingo;Ban SPAM!!! 543503;1393886479;kakobrekla;sorry about that. 543504;1393886507;BingoBoingo;Is Diablo-D3 still banned? 543505;1393886513;kakobrekla;no 543506;1393886528;mircea_popescu;is anyone still banned ? 543507;1393886536;kakobrekla;no 543508;1393886554;mircea_popescu;are you married ? 543509;1393886559;kakobrekla;no 543510;1393886568;mircea_popescu;do you mind if we keep asking you questions until you answer yes ? 543511;1393886576;kakobrekla;no 543512;1393886591;mircea_popescu;did you ever have sex with an eskimo and/or navy seal ? 543513;1393886603;kakobrekla;no 543514;1393886616;mircea_popescu;anything good on tv ? 543515;1393886621;kakobrekla;no 543516;1393886628;mircea_popescu;did you write a script for this yet ? 543517;1393886634;kakobrekla;no 543518;1393886654;mircea_popescu;did you accept jesus in your heart and other cavities ? 543519;1393886670;kakobrekla;well, not at the same time. 543520;1393886674;mircea_popescu;lol 543521;1393886684;mircea_popescu;aite, i'm satisfied. 543522;1393886697;kakobrekla;k 543523;1393886734;wao-ender;lul http://blog.magicaltux.net/2010/06/27/php-can-do-anything-what-about-some-ssh/ 543524;1393887302;BingoBoingo;Texas since #BitcoinTexas is a hashtag http://gawker.com/family-that-gets-arrested-for-meth-together-makes-out-i-1535467958 543525;1393887335;mircea_popescu;ahaha 543526;1393887407;mircea_popescu;wait, so siblings may not kiss in the us ?! 543527;1393887427;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Generally not 543528;1393887432;mircea_popescu;uh. 543529;1393887443;mircea_popescu;fucking weird country that. 543530;1393887449;wao-ender;indeed. 543531;1393887452;wao-ender;such normal in Europe. 543532;1393887466;mircea_popescu;She said the two had been living in a motel with her 2-year-old twin daughters 543533;1393887470;BingoBoingo;Arised because another TwoBitIdiot like account https://twitter.com/ryanxcharles raised the issue of a Bitcoin Texas nonference 543534;1393887474;mircea_popescu;dude wtf, living in a motel ? what's that, like 50 bucks a night? 543535;1393887502;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Depends on the motel, could go as low as $50 a week if the interstate is too fat. 543536;1393887510;BingoBoingo;or far 543537;1393887512;mircea_popescu;"How many incestuous half siblings does it take to screw in a lightbulb? You do the meth." << ahaha 543538;1393887519;mircea_popescu;gawker comments way better than gawker 543539;1393887539;BingoBoingo;For sure. Like Slashdot, or Ars. 543540;1393887622;mircea_popescu;"wow! this website is a scam, can we get a link to reddit and bitcointalk.org protest time!" 543541;1393887629;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla what the fuck are we doing with that retarded altcoin bet. 543542;1393887645;kakobrekla;kill all humans. 543543;1393887667;BingoBoingo;Flip a coin? 543544;1393887694;BingoBoingo;Preferably on of thickastheives's altcoins? 543545;1393887718;mircea_popescu;no but srsly. 543546;1393887723;wao-ender;I like it 543547;1393887728;wao-ender;huge pot in 543548;1393887752;kakobrekla;first of all 543549;1393887763;kakobrekla;what does "ends up" zactly mean 543550;1393887770;mircea_popescu;first of all i'm banning that retarded site, it's a signal about as good as pissing in the snow. 543551;1393887781;wao-ender;:D 543552;1393887784;mircea_popescu;http://coinmarketcap.com/ bs. 543553;1393887785;ozbot;Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Ripple Auroracoin Litecoin Peercoin Dogecoin Nxt Ma 543554;1393887786;wao-ender;I like art in snow. 543555;1393887792;wao-ender;with piss 543556;1393887830;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla it's... ambiguous 543557;1393887832;mircea_popescu;0.o 543558;1393887856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0432 = 0.1728 BTC [+] 543559;1393887946;kakobrekla;even more interesting is 543560;1393887960;kakobrekla;that the bet does not exclude ripple 543561;1393887972;mircea_popescu;ripple is not a coin tho 543562;1393887979;benkay;what is a coin? 543563;1393887987;kakobrekla;who am i? 543564;1393887989;mircea_popescu;gotta have a blockchain at a minimum neh ? 543565;1393887999;kakobrekla;they have some sort of blockchain 543566;1393888001;mircea_popescu;i mean otherwise what, facebook is a coin 543567;1393888047;wao-ender;it isn't ?! 543568;1393888067;mircea_popescu;mk ima go take a coinpiss and brb 543569;1393888071;kakobrekla;im selling all my facebucks then. 543570;1393888075;wao-ender;use buttcoins only please. 543571;1393888087;mircea_popescu;no but srsly, i have a serious problem just giving 15 btc to some dorks who went and did what basically ? 543572;1393888096;mircea_popescu;aurora coin has nothing, atc is more fleshed out than it. 543573;1393888114;mircea_popescu;"we are going to help iceland" 543574;1393888122;mircea_popescu;it's not even fucking legal to trade btc in iceland. 543575;1393888131;kakobrekla;but at the end of the day its what the bet sez and what you can prove not what the truth is. 543576;1393888131;wao-ender;yeah 543577;1393888144;wao-ender;but aur doubled, nice pump & dump 543578;1393888153;benkay;it /is/ a coin. 543579;1393888159;kakobrekla;bitfury was such example. 543580;1393888160;benkay;just like atc and ltc and dgc 543581;1393888164;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla this is also true 543582;1393888186;mircea_popescu;"#2551 5,638 BTC volume." 543583;1393888199;mircea_popescu;where is it even listed ? 543584;1393888208;kakobrekla;i was wondering myself 543585;1393888213;kakobrekla;didnt find it 543586;1393888223;decimation;asciilifeform your blog post is good. I think the root of the issue (the reason why chumps bow prostrate to their masters) is that the chumps fail to distinguish fantasy from reality 543587;1393888248;decimation;a trustworth bitcoin exchange should exist, this is an exchange, therefore it is trustworthy? 543588;1393888255;mike_c;mircea_popescu: it at least makes me feel better that you were surprised too. 543589;1393888263;kakobrekla;it could be the guys set up something nonpublic and gave the guy the feed 543590;1393888266;mircea_popescu;decimation you ever read that grand tlp piece re trading ? 543591;1393888270;kakobrekla;now they just herp derp there 543592;1393888274;kakobrekla;while everyone is scratching heads 543593;1393888288;decimation;not sure, possibly 543594;1393888317;mircea_popescu;mike_c i capitulated re s.mpoe price making any sense like a year ago 543595;1393888333;mircea_popescu;i dun claim to understand it. maybe better minds later on. 543596;1393888385;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498522.0;all 543597;1393888387;ozbot;MtGox source code leaked ... 543598;1393888388;mircea_popescu;o hey look at that. 543599;1393888405;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.08916021 = 0.4458 BTC [-] {3} 543600;1393888451;joecool;posting this so nobody loses sleep 543601;1393888452;joecool;<MagicalTux> [07:10:14] <joecool> MagicalTux: kalyhost going to continue operations? <- that's the plan 543602;1393888481;mircea_popescu;"Does Deutsche Bank use php? Does HSBC use fucking MYSQL??? Do any of those banks comment out lines in production code for debugging?!?!?!?" 543603;1393888490;mircea_popescu;i suspek forum noobs would be mighty surprised. 543604;1393888502;decimation;I would be shocked if they didn't 543605;1393888504;joecool;probably all asp, the pinnacle of security 543606;1393888505;wao-ender;no, fortran! 543607;1393888515;mircea_popescu;joecool anyone use them other than forum ? 543608;1393888518;mike_c;bank software is probably terrible. i highly doubt they have good programmers. 543609;1393888540;mircea_popescu;anyway, commented out lines in production software are more common than web designers. 543610;1393888541;joecool;mike_c: windows server 2003 is stable ok? 543611;1393888560;mircea_popescu;heck, linux kernel has commented out lines 543612;1393888566;mircea_popescu;(or at least had, i'm not really following) 543613;1393888600;joecool;mircea_popescu: still does, i need to see how many uses of "fuck" they still have in source 543614;1393888606;mike_c;commented out lines are pretty bad (or at least a pet peeve). that's what source control is for. 543615;1393888608;joecool;used to have a tracker for that 543616;1393888610;decimation;what's wrong with commenting out lines of code? they are crumbs for students 543617;1393888641;mike_c;what's wrong is they make the code less readable, thereby making it harder for the 2nd programmer who has to touch the code. 543618;1393888649;joecool;mostly scheduler stuff, because nobody can make up mind how how to schedule tasks for 64k cpu's vs. a typical desktop 543619;1393888651;kakobrekla;i dont think forum is still on kalyhost 543620;1393888670;mircea_popescu;joecool > 42 543621;1393888678;kakobrekla;joecool well, he thought and say same for gox. 543622;1393888679;joecool;kakobrekla: well its ok though, MT says kalyhost is staying in operation 543623;1393888682;joecool;we have to believe him 543624;1393888685;mircea_popescu;mike_c pet or nonpet, fact. 543625;1393888699;Bugpowder;mircea_popescu: who cares about source code 543626;1393888714;Bugpowder;20GB of user docs leacked 543627;1393888716;kakobrekla;am i the only one so retarded to read the footer of the forum 543628;1393888717;kakobrekla;>Sponsored by Private Internet Access, a Bitcoin-accepting VPN. 543629;1393888723;mircea_popescu;a ok 543630;1393888730;mircea_popescu;wait vpn ? 543631;1393888733;mircea_popescu;forum is on virtual hosting ? 543632;1393888744;kakobrekla;vpn is not vps 543633;1393888744;mircea_popescu;i guess that's kind-of impressing actually. 543634;1393888752;mircea_popescu;o 543635;1393888753;kakobrekla;but afaik they host them 543636;1393888757;mircea_popescu;yeah my blind. 543637;1393888767;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder this is re the very concerning leak at mtgox, 543638;1393888779;mircea_popescu;in that ~20gb worth of idiots' passport scans are now in the wild. 543639;1393888793;Bugpowder;yeah.... GOD DAMN IT 543640;1393888795;mircea_popescu;these are EXTREMELY vulnerable people, because most of them have either forced their bank to accept "weird" txs 543641;1393888803;mircea_popescu;or even signed ok's for "weird" txs. 543642;1393888819;mircea_popescu;getting out of an identity theft mess will be a royal pain in the loins 543643;1393888829;Bugpowder;http://pastebin.com/N7B5DC4d 543644;1393888829;ozbot;Goxed - Pastebin.com 543645;1393888849;Bugpowder;My friends are not happy 543646;1393888852;Bugpowder;nor am I 543647;1393888858;mircea_popescu;i can' read all that. exec summary ? 543648;1393888870;Bugpowder;just find nanashi and read all his comments 543649;1393888870;mircea_popescu;a ok 543650;1393888882;Bugpowder;he didn't hack it 543651;1393888887;Bugpowder;they may release a torrent 543652;1393888903;Bugpowder;they say no personal info released of users 543653;1393888909;Bugpowder;they won't release personal info 543654;1393888922;Bugpowder;(probably they will sell that instead of leak it :( 543655;1393888938;Bugpowder;That motherfuckering tool. 543656;1393888952;mircea_popescu;derp. 543657;1393888963;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder ya well who toldja to use gox. 543658;1393888978;Bugpowder;You said OTC 543659;1393888979;TATrilllaInTehMi;I think u gotta take 'ends up' as 'when this bet closes' 543660;1393888988;Bugpowder;little did I expect OTC to be the SAFE routh 543661;1393888990;Bugpowder;route 543662;1393889053;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 543663;1393889055;decimation;well, at the very least with OTC damage is limited and healing 543664;1393889061;mircea_popescu;^ 543665;1393889064;Bugpowder;The user data all stored in mySQL 543666;1393889071;mircea_popescu;this is what strategic soundness is 543667;1393889118;Bugpowder;Dude was more concerned with putting a frappachino cafe in his own fucking building than using svn. 543668;1393889124;mircea_popescu;course, it IS possible the leaked thing is not actually their code. 543669;1393889129;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/2QvBdNea 543670;1393889130;ozbot;NameHomeMobilePersonal EmailEmergency ContactEmergency Number Adam Turner - Pastebin.com 543671;1393889133;asciilifeform;karpeles had a wife? 543672;1393889157;mircea_popescu;"I think what concerns me more than anything is that they're rounding some of their values." 543673;1393889159;mircea_popescu;wow. 543674;1393889214;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://picasaweb.google.com/100317866314689750892/ProfilePhotos 543675;1393889251;mircea_popescu;lol o look, twitter beleeted, picasa beleeted, aww. 543676;1393889253;asciilifeform;was something there? 543677;1393889256;Bugpowder;borked 543678;1393889265;asciilifeform;empty now. 543679;1393889270;kakobrekla;maybe its his cat. 543680;1393889288;Bugpowder;Apple Pie? 543681;1393889291;mircea_popescu;kinda fun that everyone was acutally fucking japanese girls. 543682;1393889304;mircea_popescu;imagine these kids, you know ? buncha weaboos start card trading website 543683;1393889313;mircea_popescu;end up affording to move to japan and pork lolis all dai 543684;1393889325;mircea_popescu;talk about living the dream. 543685;1393889334;asciilifeform;well, 'first ecstasy, then laundry.' 543686;1393889341;TATrilllaInTehMi;is the fill fox DB in the wild yet? 543687;1393889348;TATrilllaInTehMi;full 543688;1393889359;decimation;they never did the laundry apparently 543689;1393889368;mircea_popescu;TATrilllaInTehMi afawk. 543690;1393889405;ivet;can anyone direct me to a good irc channel for bitstamp trading? 543691;1393889407;TATrilllaInTehMi;afawk=dunno? 543692;1393889434;BingoBoingo;ivet: Maybe get a cloak first? 543693;1393889435;mircea_popescu;as far as we know 543694;1393889442;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07727271 = 0.85 BTC [-] {6} 543695;1393889448;mircea_popescu;does #bitstamp exist ? 543696;1393889449;TATrilllaInTehMi;I know 543697;1393889479;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5492674#msg5492674 << check out karpeles' sock doing damage control. 543698;1393889480;ozbot;Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam. 543699;1393889481;mircea_popescu;such noobs, le wow. 543700;1393889503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00085761 = 15.9515 BTC [-] {2} 543701;1393889508;BingoBoingo;Oh, moar anti-porn n00bs http://deadspin.com/which-knbr-employee-is-downloading-huge-amounts-of-porn-1535336358 543702;1393889537;kakobrekla;bitstamp tard came spamming re bitstamp back in 2012 or what was it, to such extent that he got a k-line 543703;1393889564;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00494475 = 1.9779 BTC [-] {4} 543704;1393889777;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 543705;1393889783;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 680.0, vol: 65736.15109940 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 643.2, vol: 41149.86071 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 680.0, vol: 49700.76269936 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 644.809386, vol: 16392.57100000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 670.89335, vol: 67.80058344 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 663.4488, vol: 419.40543934 | Volume-weighted last average: 667.901191362 543706;1393889796;kakobrekla;>Dj Dope 543707;1393889797;kakobrekla;12:32 AM (3 minutes ago) > hey guys can you resolve this as a yes, aurora already almost doubled and everyone else agrees? thanx 543708;1393889798;BingoBoingo;Looks like BTC has serious drama support this week 543709;1393889808;kakobrekla;.... 543710;1393889834;kakobrekla;mp everyone else agrees. 543711;1393889855;kakobrekla;that has to be THE merit. 543712;1393889872;kakobrekla;what u say eh 543713;1393889874;ThickAsThieves;i left a disagree 543714;1393889935;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yes everyone agrees, let's send the winners to gox. 543715;1393889949;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg5491951#msg5491951 543716;1393889951;ozbot;BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC) 543717;1393889960;mircea_popescu;i dunno, to me this entire shit looks like a transparent attempt of the quoted site to made 10 btc or w/e. 543718;1393889983;mircea_popescu;the entire auroracoin thing looks like it cost less than what the bet would bring in. 543719;1393889988;BingoBoingo;So verdict is "Yes" everyone gets beta access to Gox 2 Electric Bugabear 543720;1393889991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00085703 = 3.9423 BTC [-] {2} 543721;1393890052;mircea_popescu;no but seriously, anyone got a link to any place auroracoin thing is actually traded ? 543722;1393890067;ThickAsThieves;add to the FAQ: In a circumstance where an accepted bet is determined to have unreliable determining factors, BitBet shall choose factors as best it can, or refund all bets at its own discretion. 543723;1393890068;BingoBoingo;Refund everybody minus fee? "Poorly spec's BitBEt Med getting whipped" 543724;1393890072;ThickAsThieves;www.cryptsy.com 543725;1393890089;ThickAsThieves;https://www.cryptsy.com/markets/view/160 543726;1393890090;ozbot;Cryptsy - AUR/BTC Market 543727;1393890132;mircea_popescu;eh get the fuck out, cryptsy never saw 1k btc in its entire existence 543728;1393890141;ThickAsThieves;surely it has 543729;1393890147;ThickAsThieves;but i still agree 543730;1393890150;ThickAsThieves;this is way fishy 543731;1393890156;ThickAsThieves;and a scam 543732;1393890166;BingoBoingo;It is a lesson in forcing better specs 543733;1393890183;ThickAsThieves;should probably just refund everyone 543734;1393890191;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i can't ok this. i mean i couldn't care less either way, it's bettors' btc on either side of the bet. 543735;1393890200;ThickAsThieves;i have a bet in there 543736;1393890201;mircea_popescu;but for the love of the sanctity of marriage... 543737;1393890253;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i can't fucking push it either, it's a legitimate contention. 543738;1393890260;BingoBoingo;I mean scamcoin tricks suggest forcing people to either spec better signals or kill MPOE bot 543739;1393890274;kakobrekla;firstly, how will you handle 'ends up' ? 543740;1393890287;kakobrekla;was there an answer to this 543741;1393890298;ThickAsThieves;if it's legitimate it was from day 1 543742;1393890302;ThickAsThieves;Yes 543743;1393890340;ThickAsThieves;i think 'ends up' is important to define 543744;1393890353;kakobrekla;secondly, it doesnt specify if it has to be minable/premined or to which extent that can be 543745;1393890355;BingoBoingo;This might be a good time to suggest a BitBet, "Bitbet to not accept further Altcoin Marketcap bets in 2014" 543746;1393890356;ThickAsThieves;'ends' has a menaing after all 543747;1393890399;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla nope 543748;1393890412;ThickAsThieves;precedent at bitbet is to say 'above x rate at any time, or by a specific time' etc 543749;1393890412;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla well it specifies "coin" 543750;1393890418;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 806 @ 0.00480085 = 3.8695 BTC [-] {3} 543751;1393890422;ThickAsThieves;it specifies 'altcoin' 543752;1393890429;mircea_popescu;aite. 543753;1393890431;ThickAsThieves;in the headline at least 543754;1393890440;mircea_popescu;most fucked up bet of 2013 award 543755;1393890455;ThickAsThieves;hmm 543756;1393890465;ThickAsThieves;where is AUR blockchain viewable? 543757;1393890466;mircea_popescu;the sad irony of it all beinbg that i hazily recall mod asking me if i see a problem and me saying no. 543758;1393890472;ThickAsThieves;can coins in circulation be confirmed? 543759;1393890474;mircea_popescu;i guess i was right... it's not that there's A problem. 543760;1393890482;BingoBoingo;Nah, most fucked up might get litigated around 12 UTC 543761;1393890503;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i guess if someone can be bothered to install their wallet. 543762;1393890516;ThickAsThieves;i'm not icelandic 543763;1393890518;ThickAsThieves;:) 543764;1393890518;mircea_popescu;maybe we should just crash it. 543765;1393890530;BingoBoingo;x-bt doesn't trade it though 543766;1393890532;mircea_popescu;"bitbet resolves dubious bet by crashing dubious altscam into the ground" 543767;1393890622;ThickAsThieves;what websites has bitbet allowed as proof in the past? 543768;1393890629;ThickAsThieves;btc-e 543769;1393890633;ThickAsThieves;any others? 543770;1393890643;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for he record, Лохотрон is way better than "Chumpatron" 543771;1393890656;kakobrekla;ThickAsThieves lots. 543772;1393890656;mircea_popescu;bitcoincharts 543773;1393890657;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but of course. 543774;1393890658;mircea_popescu;blockchain 543775;1393890664;ThickAsThieves;those dont have alts 543776;1393890666;ThickAsThieves;sry 543777;1393890669;mircea_popescu;well you askd 543778;1393890669;ThickAsThieves;i meant for altcoin bets 543779;1393890679;mircea_popescu;not really many alt bets allowed till recently. 543780;1393890684;asciilifeform;'you go to war with' the pidgin you have, not the literary language you wish you had... 543781;1393890691;mircea_popescu;yeah. 543782;1393890720;mircea_popescu;also i think tpoh does not even nearly map on the english tron 543783;1393890729;mircea_popescu;which is more like... half of the tron troff pair than anything 543784;1393890779;BingoBoingo;Fuck, Imma have to learn Russian by June aren't I 543785;1393890784;ThickAsThieves;how about i tell which side i bet on and you just resolve it to that? 543786;1393890792;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: by april! 543787;1393890796;ThickAsThieves;as good a criteria as any here ! 543788;1393890804;mircea_popescu;"russian by june" sounds like a good book 543789;1393890811;mircea_popescu;provided june is a hawt ukrainian blondy 543790;1393890814;nubbins`;^ 543791;1393890832;ThickAsThieves;Only Fools Russian 543792;1393890836;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If they come this fast I live way to close to a trascom outpost. 543793;1393890839;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i imagine you're on the no side 543794;1393890839;nubbins`;:o 543795;1393890845;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.04242 = 0.8484 BTC [-] {2} 543796;1393890856;ThickAsThieves;i wont tell you, otherwise Scam accusations 543797;1393890871;kakobrekla;it cant resolve as no yet 543798;1393890901;asciilifeform;once met a military type (american) who knew just one russian phrase, but knew it very well: 'don't shoot - i know secrets' 543799;1393890909;mircea_popescu;jhahaha 543800;1393890910;ThickAsThieves;nice 543801;1393890914;mircea_popescu;good phrase to know. 543802;1393890974;mircea_popescu;https://www.google.com/search?q=%D0%BD%D0%B5+%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8F%D0%B9%D1%82%D0%B5+-+%D1%8F+%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8E+%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%8B&complete=0 543803;1393891025;BingoBoingo;I've been learning in the wrong direction then. My first phrase was "Fuck your mother горничная" 543804;1393891030;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: did that key work? 543805;1393891071;mircea_popescu;copumpkin yeah. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2014#541337 543806;1393891090;copumpkin;oh, sorry, must've been offline or mentally impaired 543807;1393891091;copumpkin;thanks! 543808;1393891095;mircea_popescu;have fun 543809;1393891096;*;copumpkin tries his magic stat 543810;1393891186;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: If you want a lower stakes pro sports team https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontier_Greys is probably available for under 300 BTC and... No facilities to maintain 543811;1393891211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00085861 = 20.5637 BTC [+] 543812;1393891235;mircea_popescu;or alternatively i could hire twenty cocksucking "masseuses" for like 12 btc a season and have the porniest pro sports team in da werld 543813;1393891270;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: one of these days, you ought to write 'n00b guide' to sports bets. for instance, i grew up thinking of the whole concept as a chumpatron (lusers bet, the sports meisters throw matches & pocket the chumpatronium) 543814;1393891276;peterl;didnt the "lingerie leauge" or whatever they call it try that? 543815;1393891277;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, Sauget Illinois is pretty much strip clubs and nothing else 543816;1393891300;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, you're exactly correct, 543817;1393891306;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That actually isn't far from the truth 543818;1393891310;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: whee, it works!!!!! 543819;1393891318;mircea_popescu;line betting is essentially someone getting in between bitbet and the luser, offering "services" and other customer supports. 543820;1393891324;mircea_popescu;copumpkin wd! 543821;1393891325;asciilifeform;ahahaa 543822;1393891341;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and i don't mean this stylistically. it is factually and quite mathematically exact. 543823;1393891342;copumpkin;what are these strange cxbtc things I have 543824;1393891360;mircea_popescu;copumpkin well if you had smpoe and didn't log in for a year you prolly got a buncha divs and whatnot 543825;1393891364;copumpkin;oh sweet 543826;1393891370;mircea_popescu;kinda how finance works. 543827;1393891380;copumpkin;MPOE is by far the best investment I've ever made if you count how much I paid for it and how much it has grown and BTC has grown 543828;1393891385;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: SPorts betting at its essence boild down to finding players and ownership groups with such animosity towards one another that throwing the game isn't and option. 543829;1393891389;copumpkin;investment/gamble :P 543830;1393891399;mircea_popescu;so good for you. 543831;1393891405;copumpkin;better for you :) 543832;1393891416;mircea_popescu;i'm sure you can find a buncha daytrading lokhs that know way better. 543833;1393891420;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: seems like a serious amount of work to do, simply in order to make a fair gamble. 543834;1393891423;copumpkin;lol 543835;1393891443;mircea_popescu;"so far my best investment was, buy some mpex stocks and not logging in for a year" 543836;1393891450;mircea_popescu;sounds like fightin' words in forum land. 543837;1393891455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0424 = 0.848 BTC [-] 543838;1393891477;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: oh, I'm an index fund kinda guy, and I scoff at daytraders 543839;1393891485;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: remember my 'test drive' of mpex? that's all i did... 543840;1393891486;*;copumpkin scoffs at daytraders 543841;1393891502;mircea_popescu;what do we know. 543842;1393891505;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It can be. While winning a bet is the best outcome, the best expectable outcome is betting on a game that provides a decent "sweat" 543843;1393891516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00085885 = 10.8645 BTC [+] 543844;1393891542;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this is an interesting point 543845;1393891543;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is a quite legitimate business endeavour. mpex is designed so that people can make their own brokerages and serve demographics on top of it. 543846;1393891552;mircea_popescu;bitbet is so made that people can run their own line books backed on it 543847;1393891553;mircea_popescu;etc. 543848;1393891560;mircea_popescu;growth enabling strategy. 543849;1393891577;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.59909839 = 2.9955 BTC [+] {4} 543850;1393891578;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00479 = 0.479 BTC [-] 543851;1393891581;mircea_popescu;course, this shit takes professionalism (of the actual kind), so there's not that much being done so far. 543852;1393891585;peterl;copumkin: great way to invest if you have the patience to not get in your own way 543853;1393891605;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The nature of how baseball works lends a lot of games to beign interesting sweats. Less so with hockey, still far less with Handegg, and almost never does an interesting sweat come from basketball. 543854;1393891631;mircea_popescu;why is this ? 543855;1393891644;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: because of some intrinsic fact about the games? or mere historical happenstance? 543856;1393891657;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Intrinsic facts in this ordering. 543857;1393891668;mircea_popescu;do tell ? 543858;1393891696;BingoBoingo;Baseball's offense is based on an action that at best succeeds 1/3 of the time. 543859;1393891700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.0056745 = 0.1873 BTC [+] {2} 543860;1393891715;BingoBoingo;Hockey similarly relys on accidental scoring. 543861;1393891735;BingoBoingo;With Handegg, generally there is a better team and that team wins. 543862;1393891735;mircea_popescu;so this makes them better sweats ? 543863;1393891745;mircea_popescu;ah cause randomness ? 543864;1393891747;BingoBoingo;With basketball pointshaving is a thing. 543865;1393891755;mircea_popescu;;;google pointshaving 543866;1393891755;gribble;Point shaving - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_shaving>; Jo (pointshaving) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/pointshaving>; What is Point Shaving? - Basketball - About.com: <http://basketball.about.com/od/collegebasketballglossary/g/point-shaving.htm> 543867;1393891762;ThickAsThieves;by sweat you mean suspense? 543868;1393891768;peterl;I seem to remember reading that good baseball teams lose to bad teams more often than good basketball teams lose to bad teams 543869;1393891770;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah. Randomness makes more Interesting bets. 543870;1393891775;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Exactly 543871;1393891791;BingoBoingo;Even the Miami Marlins win some games 543872;1393891799;mircea_popescu;oh i see 543873;1393891821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.02142205 = 0.557 BTC [+] {3} 543874;1393891822;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 735 @ 0.00475315 = 3.4936 BTC [-] {12} 543875;1393891823;BingoBoingo;Bets are not investments 543876;1393891823;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo amusingly, i just rewatched every given sunday earlier 543877;1393891828;mircea_popescu;miami... sharks was it ? 543878;1393891832;kakobrekla;<BingoBoingo> mircea_popescu: Yeah. Randomness makes more Interesting bets. < that explains the just dice! 543879;1393891842;nubbins`;^ heh 543880;1393891879;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: In the movie. IRL the dolphins at that level. 543881;1393891912;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: The difference is dice players aren't patient enough to wait two hours to find out how they rolled. 543882;1393891926;mircea_popescu;" According to the 1999 Gambling Impact Study, an estimated $80 billion to $380 billion was illegally bet each year on sporting events in the United States. This estimate dwarfed the $2.5 billion legally bet each year in Nevada" 543883;1393891927;mircea_popescu;heh 543884;1393891943;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00469999 = 0.5875 BTC [-] {2} 543885;1393891946;ThickAsThieves;"The CEO of Reddit has personally gone to bitcointalk to warn users to not invest in an IPO coin "Redditcoin" and warn they will take action if it is released." 543886;1393891961;ThickAsThieves;take action how? 543887;1393891963;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, Nevada has no professional teams 543888;1393891975;kakobrekla;coingen it tat 543889;1393891995;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: imagine if technology were possible! he could simply whisper 'this turd will not bear my pgp signature' and be done. 543890;1393891997;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves sue, basically. 543891;1393892017;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that technology would basically be... imagine if poor people had no money. 543892;1393892022;mircea_popescu;that's all the needed technology. 543893;1393892030;ThickAsThieves;shit the last thing i need is reddit after me 543894;1393892038;ThickAsThieves;i dont have enough firsts or walls 543895;1393892045;ThickAsThieves;fists* 543896;1393892066;asciilifeform;i mean, it is a deep mystery to me why it should ever remain in doubt whether 'X endorses Y' 543897;1393892072;asciilifeform;given that we have public key crypto 543898;1393892080;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "It is of negative survival value in the context of financial collapse." << this is strictly untrue. 543899;1393892092;mircea_popescu;trustfulness is actually always positive, and much more so in stressed environments. 543900;1393892124;ThickAsThieves;so there's some kinda chatter about some bitcoin news tomorrow 543901;1393892133;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: only as 'part of a balanced diet!' with a working 'Friend Or Foe' detector. 543902;1393892138;ThickAsThieves;could explain the rally 543903;1393892142;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves just ver & co trying to wash the foundation thing. 543904;1393892153;kakobrekla;how ? 543905;1393892157;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, i mean this. gedank : 543906;1393892162;ThickAsThieves;https://twitter.com/niccary/status/440598582551674880 543907;1393892162;ozbot;Twitter / niccary: This is going to be an exciting ... 543908;1393892177;mircea_popescu;two sets of chumps, separated by semipermeable membrane. on left, trustfull, on right untrustful chumps. 543909;1393892187;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1774 @ 0.00460426 = 8.168 BTC [-] {7} 543910;1393892191;kakobrekla;maybe its theseckritbitcoinproject.io 543911;1393892191;mircea_popescu;simple minded sociopaths arise in both compartments with the same, god dictated frequency. 543912;1393892206;mircea_popescu;sociopath on trustful side easily and frictionlessly builds army, wipes other side. 543913;1393892207;ThickAsThieves;lol 543914;1393892213;mike_c;haha. from that twitter page: "@niccary @marketmakers @Bloomberg @blockchain did the price of #bitcoin go up as to insider trading?" 543915;1393892222;mircea_popescu;sociopath on trustless side wastes all his time being paul fucking atreides, wasting his time fighting the freemen leaders. 543916;1393892226;mike_c;insider trading on bitcoin!! 543917;1393892236;mike_c;moar regulations please 543918;1393892246;BingoBoingo;;;nigger --market all 543919;1393892246;gribble;Error: "nigger" is not a valid command. 543920;1393892248;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.02216199 = 1.1081 BTC [+] {3} 543921;1393892249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5801 = 1.1602 BTC [-] {2} 543922;1393892251;BingoBoingo;Srry 543923;1393892260;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 543924;1393892266;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 673.26, vol: 64724.23883599 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 641.724, vol: 40894.4983 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 670.5, vol: 50996.06328152 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 641.018476, vol: 16685.66700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 666.9435, vol: 67.8440946 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 671.50415, vol: 431.73359996 | Volume-weighted last average: 661.927690152 543925;1393892289;ThickAsThieves;http://texasbitcoinconference.com/hackathon 543926;1393892292;ozbot;Texas Bitcoin Conference - Hackathon 543927;1393892300;ThickAsThieves;surely someone here can nab that $1m 543928;1393892305;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is correct, depending on the playing field. not everyone is inclined to build armies, though - some folks just want to kill & eat their neighbors. 543929;1393892309;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00567493 = 0.1078 BTC [+] 543930;1393892319;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but it is not actually sociopathic to kill the trustful. 543931;1393892320;ThickAsThieves;"Up to 49% of your team can be remote." 543932;1393892335;mircea_popescu;basically, the story here is that statistically, the trustfull will fare better. 543933;1393892368;mircea_popescu;for that matter, the strategy of the woman that goes "i like you, fuck me please" actually beats into shit the strategy of the woman that plays the aloof wallflower. 543934;1393892370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02219999 = 0.2886 BTC [+] {2} 543935;1393892371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00085885 = 19.7106 BTC [+] 543936;1393892379;mircea_popescu;as counterintuitive and mother-in-law-wisdom contradictory this may seem. 543937;1393892381;cazalla;wonder if gox actually deleted account and personal details as they said they would after 90 days (from memory i was 90) 543938;1393892388;asciilifeform;my first imagined picture, when reading mr. o's bit, was the demise of the dodo bird. 543939;1393892398;mike_c;cazalla: do you really wonder? 543940;1393892398;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ебать его 543941;1393892408;BingoBoingo;I will write this n00b guide to sports bets 543942;1393892431;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00459999 = 0.92 BTC [-] {2} 543943;1393892432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00567494 = 0.1702 BTC [+] 543944;1393892440;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but a dodo is not a chump. 543945;1393892449;BingoBoingo;And in the process teach people how to only lose 30% pr year 543946;1393892464;mircea_popescu;your own definition includes free will. 543947;1393892480;ThickAsThieves;"Iceland’s Auroracoin Passes Litecoin, Becomes Third Largest Altcoin by Market Cap" coindesk... 543948;1393892489;asciilifeform;well, the animal is often described as having had an... inadequate reaction to predators, having lives as it did without them 543949;1393892492;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00459 = 0.2341 BTC [-] {2} 543950;1393892529;ThickAsThieves;enky says "Auroracoin is premined, it doesnt make sense to look the marketcap" 543951;1393892544;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that part is true. but it was not capable of useful work. 543952;1393892558;mircea_popescu;compare for better results the fate of various subhuman tribes encountered by europeans. 543953;1393892571;mircea_popescu;the ones that failed to suck cock rapidly, eagerly and well are now extinct. 543954;1393892639;asciilifeform;i do wonder what, if anything, has been heard of the Yanomami indians since that time when traders supplied them with shotguns... 543955;1393892643;mircea_popescu;aztecs made hernan cortes king. aztecs still exist today. sioux though it proper to oppose. sioux are gone. 543956;1393892649;BingoBoingo;Well in that case the ones who never encountered small pox before are equally extinct. 543957;1393892660;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: didn't you have something about popescuity at some point? 543958;1393892667;copumpkin;I don't see it anymore :( 543959;1393892674;mircea_popescu;copumpkin yeah it was a signed message in like... 2011 ? 543960;1393892689;BingoBoingo;And the Sious did outlast the Aztecs. 543961;1393892699;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo how you figure ? 543962;1393892703;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: damn, I'm out of date :( 543963;1393892715;*;kakobrekla sends some date to copumpkin 543964;1393892721;ThickAsThieves;so i posted the link to The Last Question on facebook, and it only got Likes from jesus lovers 543965;1393892733;mircea_popescu;lol 543966;1393892736;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00562006 = 0.1124 BTC [-] {2} 543967;1393892748;BingoBoingo;Aztec descendents survived on their women's lubrication and in that course became something different. Sioux staying pure now merely sell gas for $6 per gallon to people who can't stay on the interstate. 543968;1393892760;mircea_popescu;so i've been reading stan's last post for the past fucking hour, becase you people are killing any shred of productivity. 543969;1393892783;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i kinda count "Becoming something different" as survival. 543970;1393892788;mircea_popescu;seeing how it's the key to survival. 543971;1393892858;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1742 @ 0.00459 = 7.9958 BTC [-] 543972;1393892869;cazalla;mike_c: not really :\ i am hopeful they did delete my ID as they said they would after i closed my account 543973;1393892881;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well it counts as personal survival, but not cultural survival. It's a mindset. A flawed one. But it is the one dominant on this continent in spite of wrongness. 543974;1393892901;mircea_popescu;cazalla all that hopeful and five dollars buys you a cup of coffee. 543975;1393892916;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo shitty cultures aren't going to survive anyway. 543976;1393892930;mircea_popescu;people took 25k years to come up with... pottery ? fuck them, you don't even want that shit to survive. 543977;1393892947;mircea_popescu;kind-of why the only thought the collapse of the us evokes in my head is... well... good riddance. 543978;1393892968;mircea_popescu;i'd much more regret the russians should they go, even as they've been unmitigated assholes their entire history. 543979;1393892972;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The bigger problem is they had buffalo that many years and never managed to turn them into cows. 543980;1393892975;mircea_popescu;at least good novels. plus good words. 543981;1393893008;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo some argument can be brought that a relative lack of readily available iron made them kind-of stone-age-bound 4ever. 543982;1393893011;mircea_popescu;imo it's a weak argument. 543983;1393893024;BingoBoingo;Wisconsin had plenty of easy Iron 543984;1393893028;mircea_popescu;right. 543985;1393893036;mircea_popescu;i mean... most of yurp had no iron 543986;1393893041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.00459 = 0.8996 BTC [-] 543987;1393893042;mircea_popescu;sweden did, and it was enough. 543988;1393893053;BingoBoingo;The problem was they used Iron to shape flint and not the right way 543989;1393893102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.0046 = 0.1886 BTC [+] {2} 543990;1393893106;mircea_popescu;no but i mean... nobody forbade that, you know ? 543991;1393893112;mircea_popescu;they could have shoved it up their butts too, 543992;1393893121;BingoBoingo;Still an interesting alternate history it would be if the filthy spanish did not small pox the continent and therby give the English the chance to colonize 543993;1393893123;mircea_popescu;just as long as they made some tenochtitlan steel sabres cca 1300 543994;1393893211;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/90s.jpg 543995;1393893215;mircea_popescu;he looks like such a total derp, too 543996;1393893217;BingoBoingo;I some alternate history Ohio could have been the real Afghanistan 543997;1393893219;mircea_popescu;they give stars to anyone now. 543998;1393893239;asciilifeform;'those were the great roaring 90s, we survived as well as we could' 543999;1393893267;asciilifeform;multiple generations of derps killed their predecessors, ending with a final crop of mostly-functional beings 544000;1393893272;mircea_popescu;but tha tdouche ? srsly ? 544001;1393893273;asciilifeform;as described, in great detail, elsewhere 544002;1393893277;mircea_popescu;people are rolling in graves. 544003;1393893303;mircea_popescu;"if you give that fucking nimrod 1500 i'll shoot him on general principle" 544004;1393893508;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm telling you can't be more than 20 BTC next year to take them http://www.frontierleague.com/teams/frontier-greys/ 544005;1393893548;mircea_popescu;jaysus 544006;1393893595;BingoBoingo;Check the history of the town they are headquartered in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauget,_Illinois 544007;1393893602;mircea_popescu;http://www.frontierleague.com/league/transactions/ < o look, they have a bitcoin exchange 544008;1393893605;ozbot;Transactions | Frontier League 544009;1393893655;BingoBoingo;Seriously the formula should be buy a frontier league team, hire some MLB players 544010;1393893658;BingoBoingo;??? 544011;1393893659;mircea_popescu;what's OF SS etc 544012;1393893661;BingoBoingo;Profit 544013;1393893666;BingoBoingo;OF is outfield 544014;1393893673;BingoBoingo;SS is Shortstop 544015;1393893675;mircea_popescu;"The population was 249 at the 2000 census." hah 544016;1393893697;mircea_popescu;Sauget was incorporated as "Monsanto" in 1926. It was formed to provide a liberal regulatory environment and low taxes for the Monsanto chemical plants at a time when local jurisdictions had most of the responsibility for environmental rules. It was renamed in honor of Leo Sauget, its first Village President 544017;1393893697;mircea_popescu;ew 544018;1393893703;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, No one but Monsanto and strip clubs actually are in the city limits 544019;1393893706;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't buy that shit if it was free. 544020;1393893733;BingoBoingo;Well they haven't had a mayor not named Sauget in nearly a century 544021;1393893743;BingoBoingo;Fuedalism is alive and well in /Murica 544022;1393893786;mircea_popescu;The Monsanto plant in Sauget was also home to a serious accident in January 1992 when worker Charles Pritchett was critically hurt. Pritchett was caught in an auger used for moving small materials and shredding rubber. He was stuck in the auger for five hours while officials attempted to extract him. Pritchett was in a coma for three months and pronounced dead twice. Pritchett's leg was eventually amputated due to infe 544023;1393893786;mircea_popescu;ction and the severity of the mutilation. Judge C. Glenn Stevens awarded the man $16,000,000 in 1993 to compensate him. To satisfy the judgment, the Midwest Rubber Reclaiming plant and equipment owned by the Monsanto Corporation was sold at auction in August 1993. The site has since been leveled with no future prospects for development. 544024;1393893787;mircea_popescu;herp 544025;1393893830;BingoBoingo;herp, It was reclaimed for still more strip clubs 544026;1393893834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00086013 = 31.2227 BTC [+] {3} 544027;1393893873;mircea_popescu;what's a working girl make there ? 544028;1393893889;BingoBoingo;Depends on the tits and how not black she is 544029;1393893895;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09099433 = 0.273 BTC [+] {3} 544030;1393893917;mircea_popescu;white c cup 544031;1393893927;mircea_popescu;24 yo 544032;1393893950;BingoBoingo;hundreds a night if she's fat and black, thousands if the ain's fat and lighter. White C cup would prolly work in Caseyville where the money is better 544033;1393893957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.0046 = 0.1426 BTC [+] 544034;1393893958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00085996 = 7.3527 BTC [-] 544035;1393893958;BingoBoingo;Especially at 24 544036;1393893966;mircea_popescu;thousands a night ? 544037;1393893970;mircea_popescu;wow, more than most start-ups. 544038;1393893984;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That East Saint Welfare 544039;1393893999;mircea_popescu;need moar #womenintech, because currently they're not fucktarded enough to work really long hours doing relaly anyoing shit for very little money. 544040;1393894032;BingoBoingo;For Srs. 544041;1393894068;mircea_popescu;fact : the ~average~ entrepreneur will not have made by age 40 as much money as the average hs floozie working the stripping joints in saget, il made. 544042;1393894071;BingoBoingo;Cause they only make 4x what then men driving the trucks make 544043;1393894100;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Most of those floozies make more than the doctors that patronize them make 544044;1393894112;mircea_popescu;not oft said enough. 544045;1393894128;BingoBoingo;And then they turn 30 544046;1393894178;BingoBoingo;Once they turn 30 some horses at Fairmount park sell their jizz for more than the floozie's going rate. 544047;1393894184;mircea_popescu;"I move that MPOE-PR be appointed supreme dictator of the Bitcoin Foundation. 544048;1393894184;mircea_popescu;Hopefully these will be the first orders of business: dissolve, disband, liquidate." 544049;1393894196;mircea_popescu;dude imagine, a chick being emperor of bitcoin. 544050;1393894210;BingoBoingo;So much fanfiction would happen 544051;1393894216;asciilifeform;why the hell not 544052;1393894221;mircea_popescu;^ 544053;1393894225;mircea_popescu;you two answered each other. 544054;1393894331;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Does Hanna have thoughts on these developments? Other than "finally" and oter breif quips? 544055;1393894373;mircea_popescu;you'll have to ask her i guess. 544056;1393894383;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 239 @ 0.00469999 = 1.1233 BTC [+] {3} 544057;1393894384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9004 @ 0.00086034 = 7.7465 BTC [+] 544058;1393894414;BingoBoingo;Eh, I don't go on Bitcointalk that often anymoar 544059;1393894462;BingoBoingo;I also have to do this paper on n00b sportbetting for asciilifeform 544060;1393894479;BingoBoingo;And find ALL of the satoshi communications 544061;1393894486;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not direly essential, i think i got the basic idea from your summary 544062;1393894496;BingoBoingo;Ans still try to double those ATC holding 544063;1393894526;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, n00bs don't read -assets so I might as well write it for them. 544064;1393894566;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.0047 = 0.3619 BTC [+] 544065;1393894627;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC 544066;1393894872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 436 @ 0.0047 = 2.0492 BTC [+] 544067;1393894881;mircea_popescu;not wasted effort, writing things up 544068;1393894930;mircea_popescu;"The last time the Chicago Cubs won a World Series, the Ottoman Empire still existed." 544069;1393894983;BingoBoingo;And that is why I try not to travel futher north than I-70 544070;1393894993;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22230 @ 0.00086215 = 19.1656 BTC [+] {3} 544071;1393895047;BingoBoingo;And Cubs fans drink this swill called "Old Style" which isn't strong enough to be a malt liquor or palatable enough to be a beer. 544072;1393895417;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cultural, educational: http://lurkmore.to/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0 544073;1393895629;mircea_popescu;lol 544074;1393895636;mircea_popescu;clearly military brothels aren't what they used to be 544075;1393895722;BingoBoingo;As I write the noob sports betting article, I'd like to open a quick survey. What team would people pick to take the World Series this year? 544076;1393895736;mircea_popescu;lol the churkin performance at the un is pretty lulzy 544077;1393895743;asciilifeform;ahahaha 544078;1393895746;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i couldn't name a tea, 544079;1393895816;mircea_popescu;check that out, they only got 1% ish respond to mobilization orders ? 544080;1393895821;mircea_popescu;lmao. 544081;1393895855;mircea_popescu;people all derping around about war. if a general mobilization order issued by the ukraine is ignored so, who the fuck is going to go to war ? france ? 544082;1393895876;mircea_popescu;maybe if they make the war 4 hours a day and everyone the same height. 544083;1393895961;asciilifeform;'make w0r in your sp4r3 t1m3' 544084;1393895991;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bmo-customer-s-account-emptied-of-87k-as-bank-falls-for-scam-1.2555647 544085;1393895991;ozbot;BMO customer's account emptied of $87K as bank falls for scam - British Columbia - CBC News 544086;1393896003;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: When I wrote the electric boogaloo bet, France's boots were the ones I imagined solving it as Yes 544087;1393896026;nubbins`;BMO = canada's 4th-largest bank 544088;1393896028;mircea_popescu;how did you think that one 544089;1393896028;BingoBoingo;Or Sardinia's boots 544090;1393896034;mircea_popescu;nubbins` pretty funny. 544091;1393896036;ThickAsThieves;i'd bet on the Red Sox 544092;1393896043;ThickAsThieves;but i'm from there 544093;1393896051;ThickAsThieves;which i suppose is relevant 544094;1393896057;ThickAsThieves;sweat factor n all 544095;1393896059;BingoBoingo;Nah, Players as old as big Pappi don't get consecutive good seasons 544096;1393896076;ThickAsThieves;oh i dont watch baseball anymore 544097;1393896100;ThickAsThieves;only when i worked at a newspaper 544098;1393896107;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: And this is why you follow AsicMiner and not things more interesting to drink to. 544099;1393896136;ThickAsThieves;i dont drink really 544100;1393896150;ThickAsThieves;other than for the taste sometimes 544101;1393896161;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: And your lack of drinking is why you care about shit like ASICMiner 544102;1393896165;ThickAsThieves;once i fell out of it, it just makes me sleepy and feel crappy 544103;1393896180;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Building a habit takes work 544104;1393896187;BingoBoingo;So does building an addiction 544105;1393896196;ThickAsThieves;i put plenty time in during my 20s 544106;1393896220;ThickAsThieves;i get bored with everything eventually 544107;1393896220;BingoBoingo;For some reason I suspect your 20's weren't very roaring... 544108;1393896236;ThickAsThieves;i'm even bored with getting bored with things 544109;1393896258;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Maybe it is time to see what Abercrombie tastes like? 544110;1393896262;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wow, orlov is pro moscow ?! 544111;1393896264;ThickAsThieves;i ahev my stories 544112;1393896267;BingoBoingo;What would Hemmingway do? 544113;1393896273;mircea_popescu;how the hell does that work ? just because he dislikes the usg ? 544114;1393896280;ThickAsThieves;arrests, fights, etc 544115;1393896284;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not exactly - mostly anti-u.s./'international community' 544116;1393896297;asciilifeform;or rather, anti-anglo 544117;1393896304;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: I'm still out on bail since last spring 544118;1393896304;mircea_popescu;but it can't seriously be contemplated ukrainians'd fare better under putin than under merkel 544119;1393896305;mircea_popescu;or is it ? 544120;1393896310;ThickAsThieves;lol 544121;1393896314;ThickAsThieves;well then 544122;1393896317;mircea_popescu;i mean... eu in no way means anglo 544123;1393896327;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: under merkel << time for a 'joke' 544124;1393896330;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/how-synthetic-identity-fraud-costs-canada-1b-a-year-1.2554429 544125;1393896331;ozbot;How 'synthetic' identity fraud costs Canada $1B a year - Canada - CBC News 544126;1393896335;BingoBoingo;Oh, In simple western terms mircea_popescu takes a 180 from IRC mircea 544127;1393896341;asciilifeform;russian derper: 'if we'd let the jerries win, we'd be riding in mercedes benz now!' 544128;1393896349;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo huh ? 544129;1393896350;asciilifeform;counter-derper: 'as the leather seats' 544130;1393896350;nubbins`;"In one case, Kelly suspects the person used in the scheme had poor English skills and, through miscommunication, wrote down what he believed was the fake name he was supposed to use, which was apparently flashing across his computer screen. This fake identity went on to have an effective credit rating, a driver’s licence, bank accounts, a telephone and an apartment (with renter’s insurance). And 544131;1393896351;nubbins`;all under the name: Server Froze." 544132;1393896360;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol 544133;1393896404;mircea_popescu;server froze is actrually not a bad name 544134;1393896415;mircea_popescu;for a lead vocal of a postpunk band 544135;1393896419;nubbins`;certainly, mister froze 544136;1393896421;nubbins`;just sign here 544137;1393896426;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Twitter you sounds rather pro-Putin IRC you sounds rather fuck everybody. Unfortunatly people miss the Trilema you fuck everybody needs to be literal 544138;1393896428;mircea_popescu;it's mister server 544139;1393896466;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i'm not pro putin in any sense. it's just that most of the people ending up in my feed are english speaking propaganda agents 544140;1393896470;mircea_popescu;so i tend to give them a hard time 544141;1393896492;nubbins`;vladimir poutine 544142;1393896497;mircea_popescu;lol 544143;1393896530;nubbins`;wouldn't be able to take the guy seriously if he wasn't such a fucking hardass 544144;1393896551;mircea_popescu;he's a pretty decent hardass. 544145;1393896557;mircea_popescu;sort-of like reaganesque i guess 544146;1393896559;ThickAsThieves;kenna says hi! http://www.moneyandtech.com/mar3-news-update/ 544147;1393896600;mircea_popescu;still tryin' huh. 544148;1393896615;mircea_popescu;why can't he just make an altcoin like any well behaved scammer and fade into the bitbucket. 544149;1393896617;asciilifeform;orlov's view seems to be that usg/nato/allies wreck countries (near east, etc.) to retard development -> to throttle resource consumption, create captive markets a la the brits at their peak, churn mil. inventory, 'controllable chaos' to feed various parasites. 544150;1393896642;asciilifeform;this is by no means an uncommon view. 544151;1393896653;mircea_popescu;it's not factually correct tho. 544152;1393896669;BingoBoingo;Well, it is important to remember that a lot of what made Reagan Reaganesque was his Buffet like dementia 544153;1393896672;mircea_popescu;what examples do we have ? hungary, slovenia, slovakia, czech, poland, romania, bulgaria, take your pick ? 544154;1393896707;BingoBoingo;Eh, why not pick on the polaks? 544155;1393896717;BingoBoingo;They had Ukraine first. 544156;1393896723;mircea_popescu;all these countries re-industrialised after the soviet collapse. 544157;1393896730;mircea_popescu;kinda indifferent which you pick 544158;1393896749;asciilifeform;did they? 544159;1393896765;asciilifeform;i suppose it depends on what you think of as 'industry' 544160;1393896772;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: For values of first not == Mongols 544161;1393896808;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what'd you consider a fair measure ? 544162;1393896822;ThickAsThieves;LTC hit hard on AUR news 544163;1393896838;mircea_popescu;romania finished 2 nucelar reactors that the soviets/local commies tried to get going for 15 years, and now exports electricity. 544164;1393896840;mircea_popescu;is this a measure ? 544165;1393896847;asciilifeform;sure. 544166;1393896854;mircea_popescu;i really could keep on going. 544167;1393896857;asciilifeform;other cases (latvia) not so hot. 544168;1393896867;mircea_popescu;latvia is a very small unfortunate plot of land tho 544169;1393896880;asciilifeform;main export, unskilled labour 544170;1393896882;mircea_popescu;i mean... some geographical zones will just die out if trade barriers go away 544171;1393896890;mircea_popescu;you wouldn't say washington wrecked detroit per se would you / 544172;1393896905;BingoBoingo;Oh, Washington destroyed Detroit. 544173;1393896905;asciilifeform;why not 544174;1393896921;mircea_popescu;well because in that sense you could as well say i did it. 544175;1393896927;kakobrekla;oh lol 544176;1393896928;kakobrekla;>BitcoinNotBombs co-founder Davi Barker was stopped in the Manchester, NH airport by TSA agents demanding to search is bags for Bitcoins. Barker was traveling with Bitcoin related merchandise, namely metal pins with Bitcoin labels on them, which he believes is what confused the TSA agents, who didn’t seem to understand what Bitcoin actually is. Barker was eventually allowed to continue to his flight. 544177;1393896932;BingoBoingo;Detroit would be thriving if that false flag agent did not smash Patton with a jeep 544178;1393896938;ThickAsThieves;https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=bitcoin+ 544179;1393896940;ozbot;bitcoin - Wolfram|Alpha 544180;1393896945;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07500001 = 0.15 BTC [-] 544181;1393896953;kakobrekla;CALL BOMB SQUAD; CHECK FOR BTC!! 544182;1393896966;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo or if they bombed japan more generouslky. 544183;1393896982;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla honestly the thing reads to me like attentionseeking behaviour. 544184;1393896987;ThickAsThieves;"The purpose of this wallet is to provide cold storage level security with close to web wallet convenience." 544185;1393896991;mircea_popescu;so the customs searched his bags. it's what customs do. 544186;1393896991;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Japan doesn't count. Fake Gox BTC, Fake COuntry 544187;1393896997;BingoBoingo;Or Cuntry 544188;1393897007;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: smash Patton with a jeep << https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/ConspirThx.htm 544189;1393897013;mircea_popescu;they're not obliged nor reasonably expected to go "o heh heh bitcoin heh heh" just so random beavis feels tehy connected. 544190;1393897035;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah well afaik toyota etc is what sunk detroit. 544191;1393897038;kakobrekla;i cant judge whats true or whats not just whats written 544192;1393897086;asciilifeform;'Patton, like Douglas MacArthur, was an unfortunate mixture of personal courage, technical brilliance and toxic personality, and like MacArthur, a role model to three generations of mediocrities who equate pomp and nitpicking with excellence.' 544193;1393897092;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and as far as parasites go... russia definitely takes the cake. their (putin's) recovery model pretty much relies on parasites 544194;1393897094;mircea_popescu;nttawwt 544195;1393897112;mircea_popescu;jesus wtf. 544196;1393897126;mircea_popescu;who dares slurry the name of Gen Pissintherhine! 544197;1393897135;kakobrekla;it does remind me of nefarios travel to usa though. 544198;1393897140;kakobrekla;that was epic. 544199;1393897149;mircea_popescu;only took him 30 hours to fail ? 544200;1393897162;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the parasites in the summary being the various u.s. 'aid' busybodies who feast on the festering corpses of countries zapped by 'international community' 544201;1393897168;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well unlike McArthur Patton was good at being crazy good at his job. 544202;1393897180;mircea_popescu;"i have 38 dollars, 15 pakistani liras, scottish food stamps and i will be here one month but is all ok" 544203;1393897197;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform none of them being you know, owners of uk football clubs. 544204;1393897204;BingoBoingo;Fuck I need a time machine 544205;1393897213;Mats_cd03;im a big fan of tom ricks' view of how the ukraine will turn out 544206;1393897216;Mats_cd03;http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/03/03/ukraine_call_me_a_crazy_optimist_but_i_think_that_in_the_long_run_putin_and_his_kle 544207;1393897216;ozbot;Ukraine: Call me a crazy optimist, but I think that in the long run, Putin and his kleptocratic pals 544208;1393897249;BingoBoingo;We just need to advance civilization to RoboKleptocracy already and be done with it 544209;1393897292;mod6;arnt we alreday there? 544210;1393897319;Mats_cd03;putin is avon barksdale 544211;1393897320;BingoBoingo;mod6: Nah, robots still steal for people. We need robots to steal for the sake of theft being fun 544212;1393897327;asciilifeform;'orc culture 101.' in the lands of the orcs, when 'human' shows up and says 'we can have government without corruption!' what people hear is 'if we'd let the jerries win, we could be in a mercedes benz. but it isn't too late! and if we end up as the seats, that's our place' 544213;1393897339;mod6;BingoBoingo: ahh 544214;1393897342;Mats_cd03;a younger, more handsome negro will surely replace him one day 544215;1393897353;asciilifeform;like that chinese fellow who wrote that his country ought to be colonized for 300 years before it can be considered 'civilized' 544216;1393897358;BingoBoingo;Mats_cd03: Pharrel? 544217;1393897360;asciilifeform;and thrown in oubliette for his troubles 544218;1393897372;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00465108 = 0.1535 BTC [-] 544219;1393897384;asciilifeform;now a brit, french, or one of us - might agree! but who expects the chinese crown to agree. 544220;1393897387;asciilifeform;you'd have to be an idiot 544221;1393897393;mircea_popescu;as if anyone could be bothered to colonize china. 544222;1393897397;asciilifeform;or a traitor, sure of protection from his foreign master 544223;1393897406;mircea_popescu;if every able bodied white guy did nothing but rape chinese women from now on to the rest of his life, 544224;1393897414;mircea_popescu;it still wouldn't be done 544225;1393897417;BingoBoingo;I dunno china takes order well, also heroin well 544226;1393897431;asciilifeform;'colonize' doesn't have to mean 'administer british-style' 544227;1393897433;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.043249 = 0.173 BTC [+] 544228;1393897435;asciilifeform;could also mean 'biodiesel' 544229;1393897440;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo but that's the point. you'd have to somehow teach them to stop taking order. 544230;1393897457;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, that's not colonize for srsly. 544231;1393897459;asciilifeform;or mrs. thatcher's 'we need no more than 15 mil. russians. to service the pipeline.' 544232;1393897482;mircea_popescu;lol she actually said that ? 544233;1393897510;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'll say now that i was never able to track down an authoritative proof of this. 544234;1393897517;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nah, you start an IRL Breaking Bad spinoff, call it "The Real Empire Business" All of a sudden you have a nation of 2 billion central kentucky hillbillies 544235;1393897524;asciilifeform;but, to 50% of russian-speaking people, she may as well have said it 544236;1393897533;mircea_popescu;ya well... 544237;1393897536;asciilifeform;(there is also no proof that stalin spoke the famous 'no man no problem') 544238;1393897540;asciilifeform;but he might as well have 544239;1393897557;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in stalin's case, the proof is in the picture 544240;1393897560;asciilifeform;(or 'million deaths is a statistic, one death a tragedy') 544241;1393897563;mircea_popescu;(that famous one, on the river side) 544242;1393897579;btcleaker;<-- Insider with ground breaking tip. Shoot mail @ leakerbitcoin@forward.cat for more info 544243;1393897579;btcleaker;<-- Insider with ground breaking tip. Shoot mail @ leakerbitcoin@forward.cat for more info 544244;1393897614;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 544245;1393897617;mircea_popescu;sigh 544246;1393897623;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 689.91, vol: 65493.93688626 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 659.011, vol: 40669.46841 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 687.0, vol: 51698.83657489 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 653.8679, vol: 17764.86200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 687.912, vol: 68.30158652 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 671.1525, vol: 433.36901496 | Volume-weighted last average: 678.238779079 544247;1393897634;BingoBoingo;leaker quit too soon to get mocked 544248;1393897639;mircea_popescu;how fucking retarded are kids today ? if you're an insider you need to introduce yourself ? 544249;1393897650;mircea_popescu;wait, over 600 already ? 544250;1393897653;asciilifeform;spam'n'scram 544251;1393897660;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Very retarded see 2bitIdjit for deets 544252;1393897675;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Over 600 since MPOE resolved 544253;1393897677;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 99 @ 0.0062001 = 0.6138 BTC [-] {2} 544254;1393897681;mircea_popescu;heh. 544255;1393897683;BingoBoingo;For February 544256;1393897700;mircea_popescu;if i fucking have a heart attack "suddenly" you're all screwed. 544257;1393897738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21431 @ 0.00086292 = 18.4932 BTC [+] {2} 544258;1393897738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 144 @ 0.00462948 = 0.6666 BTC [-] {4} 544259;1393897739;mircea_popescu;cokea btw, here's a pro tip : using random seven proxies is not enough 544260;1393897740;mircea_popescu;we still can tell. 544261;1393897779;cokea;wat 544262;1393897787;nubbins`;.cat? 544263;1393897788;cokea;I'm a better troll than that 544264;1393897795;cokea;Frozenway is a known VPN mircea_popescu 544265;1393897799;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 29 @ 0.00605506 = 0.1756 BTC [-] {5} 544266;1393897824;mircea_popescu;nubbins` supposedly catalan 544267;1393897828;mircea_popescu;tey're running out of gimmicks. 544268;1393897831;nubbins`;interesting 544269;1393897842;nubbins`;didn't know non-us countries got 3-letter TLDs 544270;1393897871;nubbins`;not that it's a country 544271;1393897876;mircea_popescu;what the web really needs is a .derp 544272;1393897889;nubbins`;can you imagine the gold rush on that? 544273;1393897902;mircea_popescu;srsly. 544274;1393897907;BingoBoingo;cokea: So what brings you here? ENlightenment? 544275;1393897918;BingoBoingo;cokea: Do you write for wired? 544276;1393897918;nubbins`;3-letter .derp domain for sale, 5k btc 544277;1393897922;cokea;viagra spam BingoBoingo 544278;1393897929;cokea;you got that for me BingoBoingo? 544279;1393897938;BingoBoingo;cokea: Nah kakobrekla would have caught that. 544280;1393897979;mircea_popescu;" So, now we are threatening to start World War Three because Russia is trying to control the chaos in a failed state on its border a state that our own government spooks provoked into failure?" 544281;1393897985;mircea_popescu;dude how the fuck is the ukraine a failed state 544282;1393897987;BingoBoingo;cokea: Sometime I am drunk. SOmetimes I am stupid. You didn't catch me here while drunk, so... 544283;1393897989;mircea_popescu;what are htese people all about. 544284;1393897995;punkman1;mircea_popescu: you can have .derp for like $200k 544285;1393897999;cokea;BingoBoingo: I'm also mining manually 544286;1393897999;mircea_popescu;it's like everyone has nothing better to do than ride the hyperbolae. 544287;1393898013;btcleak;Guess who's back 544288;1393898017;nubbins`;you? 544289;1393898017;mircea_popescu;punkman1 maybe once i'm older. 544290;1393898023;BingoBoingo;cokea: Must be some serious carpal tunnel 544291;1393898029;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how the fuck is the ukraine a failed state << exactly same way as the u.s. 544292;1393898047;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno. last i visited i had a ton of fun. 544293;1393898052;mircea_popescu;by comparison, ny was boring as fuck. 544294;1393898056;BingoBoingo;btcleak: Want some real insider leaks? 544295;1393898063;Multivac;btcleak is tiberius! I hope. 544296;1393898067;asciilifeform;bankrupt, serious ethnic split, little to no history as an actual nation... dead industry 544297;1393898067;mircea_popescu;;;google man pissing, urethal sounds 544298;1393898068;gribble;If You Stick Things in Your Pee Hole, Awful Things Will Happen - Vice: <http://www.vice.com/read/if-you-stick-things-in-your-pee-hole-awful-things-will-happen>; Urology Care Foundation - Urology A-Z - Urethral Stricture Disease: <http://www.urologyhealth.org/urology/index.cfm?article=66>; A Vibrating Urethral Sound - ShopInPrivate.com: <http://www.shopinprivate.com/vibrating- (1 more message) 544299;1393898074;asciilifeform;subject beaten to death elsewhere 544300;1393898076;mircea_popescu;^ insider leak 544301;1393898077;btcleak;I got the hottest chili ever BingoBoingo Multivac 544302;1393898078;BingoBoingo;;;ud sound docking 544303;1393898079;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sound%20Docking | The act of inserting one's penis into another man's urethra. See also Sounding and Docking. 544304;1393898079;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: Sound Docking 544305;1393898094;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno, it doesn't seem failed at all to me. 544306;1393898099;mircea_popescu;solmalia is a failed state. 544307;1393898100;btcleak;I guess I'd be better off scamming tho 544308;1393898104;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6329 @ 0.00086085 = 5.4483 BTC [-] 544309;1393898107;mircea_popescu;afghanistan, as pumped by the us is a failed state. 544310;1393898111;BingoBoingo;Prolly better ROI 544311;1393898111;mircea_popescu;perhaps iraq too. arguably. 544312;1393898114;btcleak;ya 544313;1393898125;btcleak;HOTTEST SHIT ON MTGOX 544314;1393898126;nubbins`;Multivac: i read a story about you today 544315;1393898139;asciilifeform;currently trying to confirm or refuse a certain interesting rumour 544316;1393898150;btcleak;Mine isn't a rumor 544317;1393898154;btcleak;It comes from the man himself 544318;1393898163;BingoBoingo;btcleak: THis chan largely gave up on Gox 9 months ago. Unless Gox had a baby we don't much care; unless paternity test. 544319;1393898170;asciilifeform;that yanukovych was in the process of selling vast tracts of land in u. to the chinese 544320;1393898174;asciilifeform;to be farmed to exhaustion 544321;1393898177;btcleak;lol fuck gox BingoBoingo 544322;1393898183;asciilifeform;(as they are presently doing elsewhere) 544323;1393898187;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: i used to know a lot of freaks, some of whom were into sounding (not sound docking) 544324;1393898194;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seeing how i never heard a peep of this until AFTER the troubles, i'd say it's propaganda 544325;1393898210;asciilifeform;if true, it's a bit of a 'pox on both houses' 544326;1393898223;BingoBoingo;btcleak: So you have some credentials? SOme history? 544327;1393898225;asciilifeform;given that, after a russian victory, the process (if actual) will likely re-start 544328;1393898238;mircea_popescu;good land is in the west anyway 544329;1393898241;btcleak;BingoBoingo: I'm some random guy 544330;1393898243;mircea_popescu;or am i confused ? 544331;1393898249;asciilifeform;center. 544332;1393898249;BingoBoingo;btcleak: So am I 544333;1393898255;btcleak;or else I would make you pay forward for the info not after it happens 544334;1393898271;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo after one makes /. first page no longer random 544335;1393898278;asciilifeform;west u. is a kind of mournful shithole similar to certain u.s. 'red states' 544336;1393898285;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: prolly ture 544337;1393898306;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: OMG, BingoBoingo is more real than Firstname Lastname 544338;1393898313;mircea_popescu;what's "Farmed to exhaustion" mean anyway. 544339;1393898318;BingoBoingo;Imma have to read some Sartre 544340;1393898322;mircea_popescu;modern agriculture uses soil as substrate, plants are fed oil. 544341;1393898337;nubbins`;nevermind sartre, read some hugh pickens 544342;1393898339;nubbins`;;p 544343;1393898344;btcleak;Sartre is a faggot BingoBoingo 544344;1393898354;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as an agricultural equivalent of 'strip mining' 544345;1393898359;btcleak;and a shitty writer BingoBoingo 544346;1393898369;BingoBoingo;btcleak: Maybe Imma faggot gonna wear your anus around my clit? 544347;1393898380;btcleak;shitty writer sartre 544348;1393898395;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. and everyone is practicing it. 544349;1393898397;mircea_popescu;and has been 544350;1393898400;mircea_popescu;for over 50 years. 544351;1393898400;btcleak;hey mircea_popescu 544352;1393898408;btcleak;I am so in love with you that I want to give you the info for free 544353;1393898416;BingoBoingo;btcleak: I am dealing with a real existential crisis where Immaginary me is bigger than actual me. 544354;1393898420;mircea_popescu;got tits ? 544355;1393898434;btcleak;I can grow some for you 544356;1393898444;mircea_popescu;so grow some tits and give me your titlove for free. 544357;1393898448;BingoBoingo;btcleak: I would like if you gave me your anus and 15 minutes of time to sort out my feelings. 544358;1393898457;btcleak;I will BingoBoingo 544359;1393898463;btcleak;LOL this info is funny 544360;1393898470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91200 @ 0.00086367 = 78.7667 BTC [+] {6} 544361;1393898472;mircea_popescu;i wonder how the various ws folk will adapt to this chan in the coming years. 544362;1393898485;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: They adapt or die 544363;1393898488;btcleak;you mean when bitcoin ponzi disappear? 544364;1393898492;mircea_popescu;yeah but it'll be interesting. 544365;1393898502;mircea_popescu;btcleak btc ponzis can not disappear. 544366;1393898507;mircea_popescu;they haven't disappeared in fiat yet 544367;1393898517;BingoBoingo;btcleak: Protip: Bing the lube or I'll make the lube 544368;1393898528;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: idea was that this (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/04619a7a-5da2-11e3-95bd-00144feabdc0.html) transport project would ship the resulting goods home. 544369;1393898535;mircea_popescu;o o that 544370;1393898540;btcleak;lol it will mircea_popescu 544371;1393898543;mircea_popescu;isn't that an old nazis did it story ? 544372;1393898546;btcleak;bitcoin is a shit technology 544373;1393898552;asciilifeform;i've no conclusive evidence! i live in an entirely different failed state, on other side of atlantic ocean. 544374;1393898569;btcleak;who are the rich faggots here 544375;1393898572;BingoBoingo;btcleak: What ridiculous tech do you advance? LISP Machines? 544376;1393898577;btcleak;I need to make a deal regarding my info 544377;1393898596;mircea_popescu;this kunstler.com thing reads like alex jones in a different cape. 544378;1393898597;btcleak;BingoBoingo: auto fleshlights 544379;1393898615;btcleak;mircea_popescu redirect me to the rich folks 544380;1393898618;BingoBoingo;btcleak: Make your case. 544381;1393898633;mircea_popescu;go pester ver. he may have 18 btc or so left. 544382;1393898636;asciilifeform;http://www.apk-inform.com/en/news/1025846 544383;1393898637;ozbot;Ukraine: Council of Ministers of Crimea and Chinese companies agreed to jointly construct a grain te 544384;1393898644;asciilifeform;etc. 544385;1393898647;BingoBoingo;Or in the words of fiddy, get rich or dy trying 544386;1393898659;btcleak;fuck 18 btc 544387;1393898665;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform isn't it a little nutty to extrapolate based on that ? 544388;1393898678;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sure. 544389;1393898700;mircea_popescu;romania has a grain terminal in constanta large enough to ship the ukraine whole 544390;1393898702;asciilifeform;a not entirely-implausible scenario, though. 544391;1393898707;mircea_popescu;still... it's just a terminal 544392;1393898715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.0008621 = 14.1384 BTC [-] 544393;1393898723;BingoBoingo;btcleak: I may or may not have 300 kbtc. If you offer news that gets a response from me other than nigga, maybe you get 20BTC 544394;1393898739;asciilifeform;http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2013/09/25/countries-like-china-want-foreign-farm-land/ 544395;1393898743;ozbot;Why China Wants (and Needs) Foreign Farm Land – News Watch 544396;1393898744;btcleak;lol BingoBoingo 544397;1393898753;btcleak;I have a confirmed news that is happening in a 2 weeks time frame 544398;1393898754;BingoBoingo;Nigga please btcleak 544399;1393898761;asciilifeform;' The deal will funnel $2.6 billion into Ukraine annually for the next 50 years. China will also send seeds and fertilizer, as well as build some vital infrastructure in Crimea...' 544400;1393898765;asciilifeform;sept. 25, 2013 544401;1393898769;nubbins`;big oil popeline terminates in constanta as well, no? 544402;1393898774;nubbins`;lel popeline 544403;1393898774;mircea_popescu;so this is somehow a bad thing ? 544404;1393898777;BingoBoingo;btcleak: Maybe we don't care about foundation jacking off and jizzing? 544405;1393898777;btcleak;some good shit to be short on 544406;1393898781;mircea_popescu;this is what the ukraine does, farms for export. 544407;1393898784;mircea_popescu;since what, 1820 544408;1393898787;btcleak;who cares of foundation BingoBoingo 544409;1393898795;nubbins`;btcleak nobody gives a fuck about your news :( 544410;1393898798;BingoBoingo;btcleak: I dunno? Nigas? 544411;1393898814;btcleak;nubbins`: yes you love me 544412;1393898821;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: somehow a bad thing ? << we'll see when it revvs up 544413;1393898853;mircea_popescu;i guess. 544414;1393898860;asciilifeform;notice that if china merely wanted to buy the existing agri output, it easily could 544415;1393898872;BingoBoingo;btcleak: Id I didn't short in Sept 2009 why would I short nao? 544416;1393898873;asciilifeform;but no, they want to buy land, ship in own agrichemistry, etc 544417;1393898876;mircea_popescu;ukraine has one of the fucking worst productivities in the world. 544418;1393898879;asciilifeform;gotta wonder why 544419;1393898883;mircea_popescu;do you know what they got per hectare in 2012 ? 544420;1393898889;nubbins`;1btc 544421;1393898899;mircea_popescu;something like 1800kgs 544422;1393898908;mircea_popescu;they could easily get 4k+ 544423;1393898926;asciilifeform;by 'burning the candle at both ends', no? 544424;1393898929;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Parts of Ukraine have great productivity, other parts suck though. Ukraine is an odd mix of Kansas and Arizona 544425;1393898936;asciilifeform;as the chinese are suspected of planning 544426;1393898945;mircea_popescu;well no, by fucking farming properly. 544427;1393898952;BingoBoingo;^^ 544428;1393898957;mircea_popescu;they don't even plow half the time 544429;1393898968;asciilifeform;that's kinda how you keep the thing going, no? 544430;1393898974;*;asciilifeform is not an agronomist 544431;1393898987;mircea_popescu;http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2011/11/08/186900-a-man-and-a-horse-plough-up-the-field-near-the-village-of-bugayvka-som.jpg 544432;1393898990;mircea_popescu;i r not kid you. 544433;1393898995;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No, you plow all of the time, even during fallow years 544434;1393899010;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's a difference between fingerfucking and fucking a girl. 544435;1393899019;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5851 BTC [+] 544436;1393899020;mircea_popescu;as long as you don't actually use your knee it doesn't harm her in any way 544437;1393899020;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: funnily, that horse scene is my father's main memory of his visit to Ro. in the early '80s! 544438;1393899030;mircea_popescu;well yeah, but meanwhile ro industrialised 544439;1393899034;mircea_popescu;cause eu capital. 544440;1393899037;asciilifeform;right 544441;1393899040;mircea_popescu;ukraine has to do the same thing somehow 544442;1393899046;mircea_popescu;i guess htey're stuck with chinese capital 544443;1393899057;asciilifeform;well, the east still has the sov. era industry going, sort of. 544444;1393899068;mircea_popescu;on the face of things this is all sensible, is what i'm saying. i dun see the big threat 544445;1393899113;asciilifeform;there wouldn't have been a wankfest if the west u. folks didn't 'go full bore latvian' and decree a 'lowering into prison bitch' of the rus. half 544446;1393899117;BingoBoingo;If 'Murica can Industrialize so can Ukraine, http://www.kimberamerica.com/1911/raptor-ii 544447;1393899119;asciilifeform;'language exams', etc 544448;1393899123;BingoBoingo;I am a pole and so can you 544449;1393899127;mircea_popescu;i guess. 544450;1393899151;mircea_popescu;im not even sure what the tension was, exactly. 544451;1393899153;asciilifeform;it was a foolish declaration of chimp war, egged on by the u.s 544452;1393899156;mircea_popescu;there defo was some sort of tension 544453;1393899158;asciilifeform;as described by mr.o 544454;1393899167;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform listen, you can't do that from outside. 544455;1393899171;BingoBoingo;2001 was a Chimp war kakobrekla can attest 544456;1393899174;asciilifeform;you do it from inside 544457;1393899175;mircea_popescu;it's some sexual pathology that's at the root of it. 544458;1393899176;asciilifeform;using 'ngo 544459;1393899178;asciilifeform;' 544460;1393899180;mircea_popescu;nah 544461;1393899188;kakobrekla;lol BingoBoingo 544462;1393899196;mircea_popescu;if ngos worked then white chicks wouldn't be raped five times a year on average in south africa today 544463;1393899199;BingoBoingo;Fucking ass Monoliths 544464;1393899200;asciilifeform;and by dropping hints that you'll support rebels 544465;1393899225;kakobrekla;BingoBoingo looks like ukraine needs one 544466;1393899226;asciilifeform;(see, e.g. mr saakashvili) 544467;1393899268;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: I might have one in the garage. Would you escrow the sale of a monolith to the unidentified gunmen? 544468;1393899300;kakobrekla;better sleep on that one. 544469;1393899313;BingoBoingo;I need to get rid of this monolith because the squirrels are starting to play nigga golf 544470;1393899324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4206 @ 0.00086085 = 3.6207 BTC [-] 544471;1393899330;kakobrekla;lol 544472;1393899331;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i tell you, to me this sounds like thje proposition that a bank can provoke a divorce 544473;1393899337;BingoBoingo;They've gone black, soon they won't come back 544474;1393899416;BingoBoingo;Also I'd like the garage opener to work instead of returning "err: All of Jupiter's moons are yours except Europa" 544475;1393899442;BingoBoingo;Annoying ass cargo cult technology 544476;1393899454;asciilifeform;attempt no parking there. 544477;1393899469;btcleak;brb niggers 544478;1393899489;BingoBoingo;Fucking it. Imma load up a space trolley full of ford escorts and make parking there 544479;1393899510;mircea_popescu;is ford escort slang for a black stripper with lobster tail ? 544480;1393899520;nubbins`;yeah 544481;1393899522;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Unfortunatley not 544482;1393899523;nubbins`;rob ford likes lobster 544483;1393899550;nubbins`;and tail 544484;1393899565;BingoBoingo;When I was in high school an acquainance from the boonies came from a family with a surplus of ford passengar cars. 544485;1393899598;BingoBoingo;The family did things out of boredom like fit dump truck motors into passenger coupes 544486;1393899609;nubbins`;hah 544487;1393899618;BingoBoingo;And nao their kid can't fly aero planes 544488;1393899641;BingoBoingo;Not after that great 4th of july party 544489;1393899671;BingoBoingo;WHere they turned a ford into a firework barge 544490;1393899697;BingoBoingo;Eh, though. Live and let dies. 544491;1393899745;BingoBoingo;Even though the kid fit dump truck power in hatchback confines 544492;1393899788;nubbins`;fiesta tow truck 544493;1393899803;mircea_popescu;nah this is nuts. there's not going to be any "de-nazifying" of anything, wtf. 544494;1393899856;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Well it was a 94 escort and an 88 F-OMNGWTFBBQ Super DUty 544495;1393899877;nubbins`;i like it 544496;1393899886;nubbins`;always wanted to hide a muscle car inside a shitbox chassis 544497;1393899892;nubbins`;this is even better 544498;1393899898;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: I have no idea if it is still 544499;1393899911;BingoBoingo;Haven't seen the kid since '06 544500;1393899929;nubbins`;man, david byrne doesn't stop singing about food, does he? 544501;1393900042;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: The moral of the story before police get involved is that no, torque alone does not make you fast. 544502;1393900061;nubbins`;oh, of course not 544503;1393900071;nubbins`;just like the idea of surprises under the hood 544504;1393900085;nubbins`;whether it be something that can smoke a cop car or something that can tow a fleet of em 544505;1393900128;mircea_popescu;^ 544506;1393900138;mircea_popescu;i was thinking, and wtf do you do for transmission 544507;1393900164;diametric;evening gents 544508;1393900177;BingoBoingo;Well last time I saw him I introduced him to a girl who was good at the dick sucking and wanted to sell a Dodge neon. 544509;1393900191;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You half ass the transmission 544510;1393900201;mircea_popescu;so it'll do... 60mph ? 544511;1393900211;mircea_popescu;except... real easy ? 544512;1393900211;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Hopefully 544513;1393900217;mircea_popescu;even at say 30% inclines ? 544514;1393900226;BingoBoingo;Two bolts plus a crankshaft 544515;1393900234;mircea_popescu;ok that'll prolly blow 544516;1393900250;BingoBoingo;Only blow so often though 544517;1393900254;mircea_popescu;you know there's a reason detached semi heads are run a certain way 544518;1393900258;mircea_popescu;too light spells trouble 544519;1393900267;BingoBoingo;Of course 544520;1393900286;mircea_popescu;diametric heya 544521;1393900350;BingoBoingo;The early 1990's though inherited a lot of the ethos of the 1980's where any motor by a company should work with any transmission 544522;1393900395;mircea_popescu;yeah, because this is how it works in mechanics. 544523;1393900405;mircea_popescu;also any roman candle should work with any asshole. 544524;1393900418;copumpkin;lol 544525;1393900421;BingoBoingo;I may have tested that last one... 544526;1393900499;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'd love to see the hand-made transmission some afficionado made to allow a dump truck engine in his thunderbird 544527;1393900507;mircea_popescu;because such a thing COULD be done, and it'd probably be awesome. 544528;1393900532;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Do you want me to give you some email addresses? 544529;1393900539;mircea_popescu;lol noty. 544530;1393900546;mircea_popescu;but pix if you have them. 544531;1393900548;BingoBoingo;I know someone not on a no fly list who does that for their Demo cars 544532;1393900569;mircea_popescu;also since we're talking shafts : 544533;1393900569;mircea_popescu;http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/crisis-in-south-africa-the-shocking-practice-of-corrective-rape--aimed-at-curing-lesbians-9033224.html 544534;1393900570;ozbot;Crisis in South Africa: The shocking practice of 'corrective rape' - aimed at 'curing' lesbians - A 544535;1393900615;mircea_popescu;i wonder if this ever actually worked. 544536;1393900643;mircea_popescu;"i used to kinda not like doing it with men, but then these dudes fucked me really roughly and now i'm like all fixed" 544537;1393900672;dub;i've had rough sex with a lesbian 544538;1393900704;mircea_popescu;without asking her ? 544539;1393900746;mircea_popescu;"I used to sleep under a bridge, not eat, just cry. I hanged myself; it was on a Monday. I took pills, took alcohol, drank cleaning appliances and then hanged myself. But God said, 'It is not your time'." 544540;1393900759;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: So are you asking if someone can deliver to you a thundrbird with a dump truck motor or asking for opinions whether or not it can be done? 544541;1393900785;mircea_popescu;i was more like idly trolling for pics 544542;1393900788;dub;she was into it, unkown if it cured her muff addiction 544543;1393900855;mircea_popescu;why would you want to cure such a thing anyway 544544;1393900877;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The one big example I say in person was well before I had a computer with more than two colors on its monitor much less a digital camera. 544545;1393900926;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i imagine because of the limitations of alloys you'd prolly end up with rather complex coggery 544546;1393900968;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well the first example I saw ended its life because the operator insisted on running it on Jet A fuel 544547;1393900976;MisterE;http://storify.com/billmon1/the-ukrainian-grand-delusion 544548;1393900978;MisterE;war will be good for BTC 544549;1393900990;mircea_popescu;there shall be no war. 544550;1393900997;MisterE;its already over 544551;1393901003;mircea_popescu;pretty much 544552;1393901006;MisterE;Putin won 544553;1393901011;nubbins`;wait 544554;1393901015;nubbins`;she drank cleaning appliances? 544555;1393901017;BingoBoingo;MisterE: It isn't over but it isn't a war 544556;1393901021;nubbins`;like what, a vacuum cleaner? 544557;1393901037;MisterE;thought that was a musical insturment 544558;1393901071;mircea_popescu;nubbins` she means bleach 544559;1393901109;nubbins`;guess it affected her language center 544560;1393901146;MisterE;drinking bleach is the most retarded thing to do 544561;1393901147;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Is Romania left or right hand drive? 544562;1393901153;MisterE;you will never die 544563;1393901161;mircea_popescu;left 544564;1393901176;nubbins`;;;seen bloctoc 544565;1393901176;gribble;bloctoc was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 22 hours, 31 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <bloctoc> It will help government determine the size of the bailout required 544566;1393901194;BingoBoingo;;;seen vexual 544567;1393901195;gribble;vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 3 hours, 30 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat 544568;1393901233;bloctoc;nubbins' looking for me? 544569;1393901276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00086121 = 12.4014 BTC [+] 544570;1393901405;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: So one estimate request got a response already "Depends on the dump truck motor. Are you talking about a standard Volvo or cummins diesel? Or are you talking about a larger super industrial engine? Any motor can be out in any car. All it takes is a torch, welder, and some good math." 544571;1393901434;mircea_popescu;haha 544572;1393901461;mircea_popescu;you probably shouldn't hustle these good people, they probably have productive stuff to do with their tiem 544573;1393901508;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, if you want a new car to be chauffered in... 544574;1393901519;nubbins`;just pinging! any luck w/ eulora? 544575;1393901522;BingoBoingo;Left hand drive 544576;1393901542;BingoBoingo;I pinged a party with earnest experience in the matter. 544577;1393901550;artifexd;No. Stuck on cel3d right now. 544578;1393901566;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo not rly. about to move here anyway. 544579;1393901567;nubbins`;ah 544580;1393901587;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: So Argentina plan is underway? 544581;1393901596;*;mircea_popescu admires how we've picked the most persnickety software stack imaginable, apparently. 544582;1393901690;nubbins`;ah, it's not so bad 544583;1393901825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00086059 = 26.291 BTC [-] {2} 544584;1393901878;MisterE;How does a Roma know a word like persnickety? 544585;1393901886;MisterE;hardly european 544586;1393901957;copumpkin;mircea_popescu knows all 544587;1393901984;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is moving? 544588;1393901985;KRS-One;lol 544589;1393902008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 20 @ 0.006001 = 0.12 BTC [-] 544590;1393902023;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gotta see the world. 544591;1393902036;mircea_popescu;2015 mp conference won't be in timisoara, that's for sure. 544592;1393902164;BingoBoingo;Well Bingo Leaks remember Argentine apartements being quoted specificaly. 544593;1393902252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21278 @ 0.00085872 = 18.2718 BTC [-] {2} 544594;1393902271;asciilifeform;neat 544595;1393902314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12163 @ 0.00085739 = 10.4284 BTC [-] {2} 544596;1393902334;BingoBoingo;Well going to South America would make an incredibly torqued T-Bird easier to deliver 544597;1393902366;dignork;Lol, got it from ukranian friends: http://imgur.com/ja0PCoE 544598;1393902374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83287 @ 0.00085643 = 71.3295 BTC [-] {3} 544599;1393902422;BingoBoingo;dignork: STFU, none of those people have patches. They could be self defense units. 544600;1393902447;dignork;BingoBoingo, i know, still funny 544601;1393902493;BingoBoingo;dignork: Eat a dick, I am waiting for serious news, not more black ops OMGWTFBBQ dickign around. 544602;1393902496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00085472 = 22.3082 BTC [-] {3} 544603;1393902521;copumpkin;these MPOE sales aren't me, I promise 544604;1393902527;copumpkin;just because I have my key back doesn't mean I'm dumping! 544605;1393902531;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: serious news << like a French invasion? 544606;1393902561;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: French or Sardinian work. Those new Raphaels are pretty hot shit. 544607;1393902591;dignork;BingoBoingo, gosh, it was a joke, i have friends on both sides too. 544608;1393902593;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: why not Spanish? Chinese? 544609;1393902630;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They weren't in Crimea I. French, British or Sardinian, baby that's what I need. 544610;1393902658;asciilifeform;you left out turks. 544611;1393902669;BingoBoingo;dignork: Hard to communicate umor over text without being permissive isn;t it. 544612;1393902679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 135 @ 0.00466001 = 0.6291 BTC [+] {3} 544613;1393902690;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Turks would be forced into the same role, Black Sea gatekeepers 544614;1393902737;BingoBoingo;ATM unless Turks decide otherwise the black sea is only for countries with Black sea borders 544615;1393902740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 38 @ 0.006 = 0.228 BTC [-] 544616;1393902801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04324997 = 0.1297 BTC [+] 544617;1393902831;BingoBoingo;Pretty much the same role the Ottmans professed to hold 544618;1393902862;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 187 @ 0.00597994 = 1.1182 BTC [-] {2} 544619;1393902903;Multivac;According to Deadline, the White House has recommended that the Supreme Court rule against Aereo when broadcasters bring its service to trial this April. 544620;1393902923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0436663 = 0.131 BTC [+] {2} 544621;1393903016;BingoBoingo;I almost atm respect MRBigg the Ripple and Bearshare shill over Obama 544622;1393903072;dignork;BingoBoingo, not really, sarcasm is a tricky one 544623;1393903075;BingoBoingo;He nevar hid his hollywood shillness 544624;1393903106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00086187 = 9.8684 BTC [+] {2} 544625;1393903550;mircea_popescu;romania invades, takes over odessa 544626;1393903555;asciilifeform;ahahaha 544627;1393903562;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun 544628;1393903580;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plz don't blow away the other cute cherub statue 544629;1393903583;asciilifeform;in my old apt. 544630;1393903586;mircea_popescu;lol 544631;1393903606;BingoBoingo;Plz take little Egypt next 544632;1393903616;mircea_popescu;ROMANIA TAKES IT ALL 544633;1393903633;BingoBoingo;Missouri smells bad and we are tired of being neighbors 544634;1393903644;mircea_popescu;Multivac hwo the fuck is this white house to "recommend" wtf. 544635;1393903662;BingoBoingo;Mardigras weekend just happened and everything to the west smells like piss 544636;1393903700;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: always wondered, what % piss by volume, is... Ganges river. 544637;1393903716;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02120003 = 0.1696 BTC [-] 544638;1393903719;asciilifeform;(assuming it is a physically meaningful question) 544639;1393903725;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In the Ganges river case I'd guess at least 15% 544640;1393903751;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform all surface water has been pissed on average four times 544641;1393903751;BingoBoingo;Maybe some inbound amonium gets caught in clays, but... 544642;1393903756;asciilifeform;well, that. 544643;1393903879;BingoBoingo;Consider the Illinois river is mostly an untreated sewer flowing from Chicago and manages to support sufficient silver carp that baseball bats and armor are the prefered means for fishish them 544644;1393903899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00085702 = 35.0521 BTC [-] {2} 544645;1393903960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43492 @ 0.00085456 = 37.1665 BTC [-] {3} 544646;1393904059;MisterE;Russia has been in control down there forever already 544647;1393904068;copumpkin;omg MPOE selloff 544648;1393904074;MisterE;they just 'formalizing' it 544649;1393904075;*;copumpkin panic-sells 544650;1393904081;MisterE;yea? 544651;1393904085;asciilifeform;MisterE: in Chicago? 544652;1393904088;asciilifeform;did i sleep through something? 544653;1393904108;MisterE;well it's chicage 544654;1393904119;MisterE;Russians would be just another gang of thugs :p 544655;1393904124;MisterE;you'd outlast them 544656;1393904144;MisterE;no I'm saying the Crimea 544657;1393904150;BingoBoingo;MisterE: You mean they wouldn't outlast the Northside Polaks 544658;1393904151;MisterE;russia already controlled it 544659;1393904163;BingoBoingo;Oh, not Chicago talk 544660;1393904212;MisterE;what do the Turks have to say? 544661;1393904219;MisterE;that will be key 544662;1393904224;BingoBoingo;Dunno any Chicago Turks 544663;1393904252;BingoBoingo;Are the Turks gonna let the Sardinians ty to force Crimea to trade again? 544664;1393904314;MisterE;I know there's a lot of history there and I don't know enough of it 544665;1393904324;MisterE;basically lots of stacks of bodies 544666;1393904448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46443 @ 0.00085431 = 39.6767 BTC [-] {2} 544667;1393904814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27844 @ 0.0008541 = 23.7816 BTC [-] {2} 544668;1393904917;copumpkin;quit selling all the MPOE! 544669;1393905659;benkay;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:16f67849951a6df2a9d019751e36e2526e1fc6309219382aedc8d87e 544670;1393905660;gribble;You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7 544671;1393905784;benkay;!l m mpoe 544672;1393905784;assbot;I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who. 544673;1393905799;BingoBoingo;Watching Karl Urban in Almost Human I have to wonder... Why not just a Judge Dread serial? 544674;1393905803;benkay;!h 544675;1393905803;assbot;List of commands: 544676;1393905804;assbot;!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} 544677;1393905805;assbot;!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} 544678;1393905806;assbot;!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) 544679;1393905807;assbot;!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} 544680;1393905808;assbot;!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} 544681;1393905809;assbot;!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com) 544682;1393905810;assbot;!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b} 544683;1393905811;assbot;!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} 544684;1393905814;BingoBoingo;!jd 544685;1393905814;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 14170 BTC profit, 40.6k BTC invested, 762.97 mio bets, 5.06 mio BTC wagered 544686;1393905814;benkay;!t m s.mpoe 544687;1393905814;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00085369 / 0.00085835 / 0.00086433 (1018179 shares, 873.96 BTC), 7D: 0.000745 / 0.00086217 / 0.00088851 (8430211 shares, 7,268.32 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087418 / 0.00094153 (29592229 shares, 25,868.96 BTC) 544688;1393905848;benkay;!l m s.mpoe 544689;1393905848;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.0008541 BTC [-] 544690;1393906264;BingoBoingo;You got a Bitcoin Stick? 544691;1393906339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00543999 = 0.1034 BTC [+] {5} 544692;1393906366;benkay;walk softly and carry a bitcoin stick. 544693;1393906441;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5496175#msg5496175 544694;1393906443;ozbot;Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam. 544695;1393906444;mircea_popescu;and the plot trickens 544696;1393906552;BingoBoingo;Trickens because BTC in itself now has gotten boring 544697;1393906563;BingoBoingo;Gutten Borrin 544698;1393906575;BingoBoingo;Here be the Bitten Coins 544699;1393906583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.0008493 = 20.2558 BTC [-] {2} 544700;1393906656;cokea;i am good 544701;1393906661;cokea;i was quoted by the WSJ for a troll post 544702;1393906664;cokea;good life 544703;1393906799;Multivac;Alert! Alert! MPOE-PR trying to destroy the Bitcoin! 544704;1393907012;diametric;asciilifeform: finally found some pods for those logic analyzers i got. 544705;1393907026;asciilifeform;diametric: neato! where ? 544706;1393907056;diametric;ebay, some showed up finally, though almost all of them are way overpriced. $50-$150, found one for $10 though 544707;1393907132;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00466023 = 0.2656 BTC [+] {2} 544708;1393907192;asciilifeform;diametric: drop a photo of the priceless antique here, for the others 544709;1393907218;diametric;http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-HEWLETT-PACKARD-1651B-LOGIC-ANALYZER-/221036512792 544710;1393907224;diametric;I own two of these beautiful machines 544711;1393907238;diametric;but no pods. 544712;1393907249;diametric;well until i get it hopefully next week 544713;1393907256;asciilifeform;ought to post a pic of operating unit 544714;1393907261;asciilifeform;it's well worth seeing 544715;1393907315;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59988989 = 1.1998 BTC [+] {2} 544716;1393907331;diametric;speaking of tools, still need my oscilloscope? 544717;1393907347;asciilifeform;diametric: for the moment. i shall be done with it soon. 544718;1393907376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44298 @ 0.00084722 = 37.5302 BTC [-] 544719;1393907393;*;asciilifeform borrowed a very rare and spiffy instrument from diametric to test rngs. 544720;1393907539;KRS-One;http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/bitcoin-exchange/ 544721;1393907539;ozbot;The Inside Story of Mt. Gox, Bitcoin's $460 Million Disaster | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com 544722;1393907540;KRS-One;look at that stupid look on his fucking face 544723;1393907542;mircea_popescu;lol gutten boring 544724;1393907551;KRS-One;.bait 544725;1393907553;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6i69aVcNe1r2mc2eo1_1280.jpg 544726;1393907561;KRS-One;aw HELL ya 544727;1393907630;BingoBoingo;Eh, My hometown was almsot genecided during the Great war. 544728;1393907664;Duffer1;https://blockchain.info/address/1BTCorgHwCg6u2YSAWKgS17qUad6kHmtQW 544729;1393907668;ozbot;Bitcoin Address 1BTCorgHwCg6u2YSAWKgS17qUad6kHmtQW 544730;1393907670;Duffer1;bitcoin foundation donation address 544731;1393907700;twizt;lol 544732;1393907701;twizt;so many coins 544733;1393907704;Duffer1;i'm actually surprised they got less than labcoin 544734;1393907778;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: I am not at all 544735;1393907874;BingoBoingo;Also Duffer1 It is Monday, why are you not streaming Archer and watching a better alternate reality future for 'Murica? 544736;1393907942;Duffer1;i'm never sure when it's on, i always watch later 544737;1393907970;BingoBoingo;Oh shit Duffer1 Illegally stream it nao 544738;1393908191;BingoBoingo;Highway to the Danger Zone 544739;1393908230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00466051 = 0.233 BTC [+] 544740;1393908291;mod6;archer++ 544741;1393908392;MisterE;http://news.yahoo.com/giant-virus-resurrected-permafrost-30-000-years-202120390.html 544742;1393908393;ozbot;Giant Virus Resurrected from Permafrost After 30,000 Years - Yahoo News 544743;1393908634;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Quiet, we are trying to hook Mircea up with a monster hotrod 544744;1393908784;MisterE;that rod is for insertion... 544745;1393908798;MisterE;you sure you're doing it the right way? 544746;1393908882;BingoBoingo;Insertion, where I dun care, he has more experience in this I supposed a dude who could put dumptrucks in ford escorts. He wanted dumptruck motors in a ThunerBird, and Imma trying to get the hillbilly's email. 544747;1393908939;MisterE;heh crazy 544748;1393909023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.599945 = 1.1999 BTC [+] {2} 544749;1393909056;gesell1;did anyone try to call MTgox today? 544750;1393909333;Duffer1;i almost lawld but i didn't want to offend anyone who might have lost out :( 544751;1393909599;BingoBoingo;gesell1: They had no information of @MagicalTux's cup size if that is the info you wanted 544752;1393909645;mircea_popescu;lol BingoBoingo is bored 544753;1393909657;gesell1;BingoBoingo: I'm just curious in general what the support phone actually is 544754;1393909669;mircea_popescu;gesell1 there was a pastebin earlier with everyone's phones 544755;1393909680;mircea_popescu;they lost the db, so. girlfriends, mothers et all. 544756;1393909684;gesell1;mircea_popescu: but there was a press release on mtgox with the support phone number 544757;1393909684;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Incredibly, and just a bit too tipsy to hit publish on the sports betting for n00bs post even though I wrote most of it in chan 544758;1393909732;gesell1;its on mtgox.com still 544759;1393909734;gesell1;aat the very bottom 544760;1393909736;BingoBoingo;gesell1: The support line is a girl speaking Ingrish. Might as well go to latestrip.com where the Ingrish girls show tits 544761;1393909755;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: cups size: as in '2 X, 1 cup' ? 544762;1393909780;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Poor asians so mostly B's 544763;1393909786;jcpham;just because mtgox says you owned bitcoins it doesn't really mean you owned them 544764;1393909789;jcpham;not really 544765;1393909808;BingoBoingo;gesell1: As mircea_popescu pointed out though I am bored 544766;1393909836;BingoBoingo;So jcpham you realize talking gox drama here is just a huge circle jerk for anyone other than Luke-Jr 544767;1393909841;mircea_popescu;i am 12 and what is latestrip.com 544768;1393909850;jcpham;lolololol 544769;1393909862;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Where I spent dollars I should have spent on BTC 544770;1393909872;BingoBoingo;Damn you spring 2010 544771;1393909885;cokea;#bitcointraders if you're bored BingoBoingo 544772;1393909886;asciilifeform;a strip, that tells you if you're.. late. like a litmus strip. 544773;1393909897;asciilifeform;if that wasn't obvious from name 544774;1393909914;mircea_popescu;so pregnant girls in the buff ? 544775;1393909932;BingoBoingo;Here's a Tartar http://www.latestrip.com/freechat/girl/TamaraMuslim 544776;1393909940;BingoBoingo;But yeah, too many prego girls 544777;1393909971;BingoBoingo;Sauget wouldn't put them on stage 544778;1393909989;bloctoc;Nextcoin youtube videos really are adorable. http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/External_Videos 544779;1393910121;Multivac;Nextcoin does not compute. 544780;1393910134;BingoBoingo;Fuku Kasparov https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/440704422549942273 544781;1393910153;BingoBoingo;Kramnik beat your ass for a reason. 544782;1393910164;Multivac;from the Karpeles article comments: "Mark is a member of Mensa, well that says it all. I work with a guy who claims to be a Mensa member, he's the biggest jackass I have ever encountered. But if you want to know how smart he is, just ask he'll tell you about it, all day long." 544783;1393910170;BingoBoingo;And Anand... was prolly actually the best champion in a long time. 544784;1393910176;Multivac;Truth 544785;1393910203;mircea_popescu;why do people go to the mensa thing anyway 544786;1393910207;BingoBoingo;Multivac: Mensa is nothing, I qualified for that bullshit 544787;1393910212;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's actually a sort of bitcoin foundation, huh. 544788;1393910214;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: phun phact: today, K is known in russia - not mainly as a chess player. 544789;1393910222;asciilifeform;see 'bob the bridge-builder.' 544790;1393910234;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I know, he flys that everywhere now. 544791;1393910240;BingoBoingo;Part of wy he is in exile 544792;1393910243;asciilifeform;M is actually a sex club 544793;1393910248;Multivac;I never met someone that said they were Mensa that wasn't degenerate. 544794;1393910253;asciilifeform;i have this on good authority, though never seen in person 544795;1393910258;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ithought men want good looking women 544796;1393910263;mircea_popescu;rather than smart women 544797;1393910303;BingoBoingo;Multivac: I am a total degenerate, out on bail at this moment, I still think Mensa is too white trash 544798;1393910304;asciilifeform;once again, never saw it alive 544799;1393910327;Multivac;Bailed out for what though? 544800;1393910338;mircea_popescu;he got drunk one day... 544801;1393910346;BingoBoingo;Multivac: Disorderly conduct, Which I find a moral imperative 544802;1393910355;BingoBoingo;Religious liberty is at stake 544803;1393910357;Multivac;Did you flip over a car? 544804;1393910375;Multivac;Poop in a hamburger? 544805;1393910384;BingoBoingo;Multivac: Imma not that in shape, unless the car is a fiero 544806;1393910396;BingoBoingo;And it is all allegedly 544807;1393910437;mircea_popescu;anyway, that's all the excitement i can take in one day. take care all 544808;1393910440;mircea_popescu;don't break the bitcoin, 544809;1393910462;Multivac;Insufficient data to break a bitcoin. 544810;1393910466;BingoBoingo;It works though because I have a great drive through lawyer who simply pushes for extensions to the courtdate. 544811;1393910488;BingoBoingo;If he ever doesn't get the extension renewed he calls me and I walk to Mexico 544812;1393910499;Multivac;You can't escape entropy BingoBoingo. 544813;1393910513;BingoBoingo;Multivac: I am entropy 544814;1393910522;BingoBoingo;Multivac: I am the one who disorganizes 544815;1393910563;Multivac;BingoBoingo, The Disorganizer 544816;1393910586;Multivac;Luckily I have no organs. 544817;1393910596;Multivac;Only keyboards. 544818;1393910607;BingoBoingo;Multivac: You still have form 544819;1393910615;BingoBoingo;Form is opposed to entropy 544820;1393910679;Multivac;I break down daily. 544821;1393910693;BingoBoingo;Multivac: Do you get enough fiber? 544822;1393910725;Multivac;Enough to hold my form. 544823;1393910744;Multivac;Mas smoothies. 544824;1393910777;BingoBoingo;Multivac: Wait, are you the mysterious until they started physical coins, smoothie? 544825;1393910796;BingoBoingo;In that case I would have to thank you for the lulz 544826;1393910819;Multivac;Nope. 544827;1393910831;Mats_cd03;https://www.modmypi.com/pi-modules-upis-advanced 544828;1393910834;ozbot;ModMyPi | UPiS Advanced - Uninterruptible Power Intelligent Supply 544829;1393910883;Mats_cd03;impressive feature set 544830;1393910886;Multivac;It supplies intelligence? 544831;1393910946;Mats_cd03;broken title 544832;1393910962;Mats_cd03;> The UPiS is an Intelligent Uninterruptible Power Suppl 544833;1393911027;Multivac;https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/752-the-good-and-useful-things-the-foundation-has-done-for-us-members-compiled-by-dr-brian-goss/ 544834;1393911034;Multivac;They really have done nothing. 544835;1393911065;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Well they exposed well meaning and ignorant prospects to litigation. 544836;1393911069;BingoBoingo;That is a thing 544837;1393911073;Multivac;Summary: TBF said some shit and threw some money around. 544838;1393911100;Multivac;Coinpunk still has its hand out. 544839;1393911195;BingoBoingo;WTFOMGBBQ was Coinpunk anyways, I though TSR handled that 544840;1393911241;Multivac;It is a web wallet pretending to be an iPhone app. 544841;1393911260;Multivac;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wngsO-Z4n7A 544842;1393911261;ozbot;YOGA PANTS PRANK - YouTube 544843;1393911298;Multivac;lol 544844;1393911303;BingoBoingo;Multivac: You know of any reputable web advertising platforms that pay site owners BTC? 544845;1393911320;BingoBoingo;I tired one for two weeks and it was forced into scam 544846;1393911357;Multivac;Does not compute. Do you mean affiliate marketing shit? 544847;1393911379;Multivac;dude this video is hilarious 544848;1393911387;BingoBoingo;And I do mean tired over tried. It is now as worn as some dude's mom. 544849;1393911407;BingoBoingo;Multivac: I mean a tool where I can sell x by y pixels in my sidebar 544850;1393911414;Multivac;oh 544851;1393911433;BingoBoingo;Just occupy space an dpay me money 544852;1393911439;BingoBoingo;It is all I need 544853;1393911441;Multivac;I used to know a few 544854;1393911446;Multivac;drawing a blank now 544855;1393911450;Multivac;it's been a couple years 544856;1393911454;BingoBoingo;Well coinurl is shit 544857;1393911462;BingoBoingo;Bitads is the shit I kilt 544858;1393911491;BingoBoingo;Problem is all of this BTC stuff is shit 544859;1393911493;Multivac;coinurl is a scam actually 544860;1393911503;Multivac;oh yeah you eant btc ones 544861;1393911505;Multivac;there are none 544862;1393911517;BingoBoingo;Also Adsense is scam 544863;1393911517;Multivac;just ask people here 544864;1393911521;Multivac;Namworld 544865;1393911524;Multivac;Jurov 544866;1393911529;Multivac;etc 544867;1393911530;Mats_cd03;theres only one ad player in the game and they dont do btc 544868;1393911557;BingoBoingo;Mats_cd03: If you even say that player is Google 544869;1393911576;BingoBoingo;Seriously I run this honest blog here http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/ 544870;1393911577;Mats_cd03;yes google 544871;1393911591;BingoBoingo;And I would like to monetize a section of the sidebar 544872;1393911597;Multivac;i like some of the ads at kat.ph 544873;1393911618;Multivac;http://e1.static.hoptopboy.com/11793/21029/116669/11793B/160x600-USA_1390254805.gif 544874;1393911622;Multivac;great ad 544875;1393911623;Mats_cd03;it poops on my brain each time i recall that 99% of GOOG profitable revenue is from ads 544876;1393911634;Mats_cd03;read that somewhere 544877;1393911646;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00084432 = 12.1582 BTC [-] {2} 544878;1393911659;BingoBoingo;Multivac: I can load the Gif, but for some reason the cert is untrustable 544879;1393911672;Multivac;well it's porn ad 544880;1393911688;BingoBoingo;Porn is cool though, Porn is trendy 544881;1393911692;Multivac;go to kat.ph and reload til you get the ad of girl jiggling but 544882;1393911697;Multivac;mesmerizing 544883;1393911702;Multivac;butt* 544884;1393911728;BingoBoingo;Carlos Martinez had a wall of twitter favorites that was nothing but pink expressed by girls of a rainbow of colors 544885;1393911737;Multivac;meh 544886;1393911750;Multivac;to biological for me 544887;1393911751;Multivac;too* 544888;1393911778;BingoBoingo;Multivac: Are you insinuating you aren't a pig like the rest of us? 544889;1393911804;Multivac;No, I'm just my own kinda pig. 544890;1393911829;Multivac;a flurry of crotch shots is just not my preference 544891;1393911841;Multivac;I'm vegan. 544892;1393911928;BingoBoingo;Multivac: Maybe you just don't arouse? 544893;1393911941;BingoBoingo;You might be old, need cialis? 544894;1393911993;Multivac;Well i do have an abrupt onset of white beard hairs 544895;1393912049;Multivac;does cialis help with that? 544896;1393912063;BingoBoingo;Maybe? 544897;1393912182;BingoBoingo;What would I know, allegedly being a criminal and all of that. 544898;1393912256;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.05000008 = 0.35 BTC [-] {3} 544899;1393912324;Multivac;can you still vote? 544900;1393912353;BingoBoingo;Multivac: Yeah misdemeanor charge, but fighting it, because it is necessary 544901;1393912415;Multivac;DUI? 544902;1393912663;BingoBoingo;Multivac: Nah, vanilla disorderly conduct. 544903;1393912731;BingoBoingo;I am not brave enough to drive under the influence 544904;1393913171;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00497401 = 0.4477 BTC [-] {2} 544905;1393913842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00084196 = 18.06 BTC [-] {2} 544906;1393913964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.00481471 = 0.6644 BTC [-] {3} 544907;1393914025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00481 = 0.2646 BTC [-] 544908;1393914406;BingoBoingo;Oh, the difference between me an 2013 Bitcoin bastards is I come with my dirty laundry up front 544909;1393914574;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 72 @ 0.00567298 = 0.4085 BTC [+] {4} 544910;1393914696;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59999249 = 2.4 BTC [+] {2} 544911;1393915001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00083947 = 14.7747 BTC [-] {2} 544912;1393915428;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00083881 = 3.6908 BTC [-] 544913;1393915462;BingoBoingo;So, morel of the story, NBC is way to full of itself in its previews 544914;1393915489;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00540006 = 0.1404 BTC [-] {6} 544915;1393915490;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6 = 1.8 BTC [+] 544916;1393915561;benkay;NBC 544917;1393915563;benkay;news fungi 544918;1393915755;BingoBoingo;Maybe my last forum post, maybe not my last forum post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5498392#msg5498392 for kakobrekla 544919;1393915864;KRS-One;.bait 544920;1393915866;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m11xh74QjY1qcovono1_500.jpg 544921;1393915876;KRS-One;BOO 544922;1393915877;KRS-One;.bait 544923;1393915878;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1mvfcVTsb1qk2vvro1_500.jpg 544924;1393915892;KRS-One;fawk! 544925;1393915896;KRS-One;hawt 544926;1393916161;BingoBoingo;Ya 544927;1393916233;BingoBoingo;Imma still kind of wrapping my head around BingoBoingo being a bigger name than legal Firstname and Lastname 544928;1393916241;BingoBoingo;That's some trippy shit. 544929;1393916373;BingoBoingo;So weird, Most real me is a fake me 544930;1393916588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [+] 544931;1393916674;benkay;this is what i was freaking out about the other night 544932;1393916710;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1848 @ 0.00017551 = 0.3243 BTC [-] {5} 544933;1393916712;benkay;how best protect internet keys? 544934;1393916727;benkay;hey BingoBoingo race you to auth status 544935;1393916733;benkay;;;gpg eauth benkay 544936;1393916734;gribble;Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@75-175-73-123.ptld.qwest.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7 544937;1393916747;BingoBoingo;;;eauth bingoBoingo 544938;1393916748;gribble;Request successful for user bingoBoingo, hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/309BB8D7F3251143 544939;1393916756;benkay;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a4f7750923ee83ec88829bb3fcce45f2fd4308a2fee7efc298ef05a7 544940;1393916756;benkay; 544941;1393916757;gribble;You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7 544942;1393916771;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2356 @ 0.00017528 = 0.413 BTC [-] {3} 544943;1393916791;BingoBoingo;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:340221c995ba650b2eb5528d3edba4b2896f0efbbbc3ed9bdbb7bb49 544944;1393916792;gribble;You are now authenticated for user BingoBoingo with key 309BB8D7F3251143 544945;1393916797;benkay;gg 544946;1393916805;BingoBoingo;;;rate benkay 1 Won the race 544947;1393916806;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded. 544948;1393916808;BingoBoingo;gg 544949;1393916815;benkay;;;rate BingoBoingo good sport wot wot 544950;1393916815;gribble;Error: 'good' is not a valid integer. 544951;1393916820;benkay;;;rate BingoBoingo 1 good sport wot wot 544952;1393916821;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded. 544953;1393916832;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2969 @ 0.00017433 = 0.5176 BTC [-] {8} 544954;1393916833;benkay;not a fair race, tbh 544955;1393916851;benkay;so a key to maintaining good crypto hygiene is to use it all the time, right? 544956;1393916851;BingoBoingo;benkay: Yeah, so many shortcuts if time was known 544957;1393916857;BingoBoingo;Yeah 544958;1393916864;benkay;so a thing that helps is that your otc link is always the same 544959;1393916865;BingoBoingo;But not stego hygeine 544960;1393916879;BingoBoingo;No, because stego 544961;1393916886;benkay;ideally stego is rarely touched tho 544962;1393916893;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1543 @ 0.000171 = 0.2639 BTC [-] {5} 544963;1393916894;BingoBoingo;OTC auth is suprisingly weak 544964;1393916945;benkay;go on... 544965;1393916954;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2379 @ 0.00017 = 0.4044 BTC [-] {8} 544966;1393916955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28386 @ 0.0008417 = 23.8925 BTC [+] {3} 544967;1393916967;BingoBoingo;Eh, fill in blanks on that selfwise 544968;1393916980;dignork;benkay, i could dos you from authing, by reissuing 'eauth benkay' 544969;1393916998;dignork;but that's not a serious flaw 544970;1393917144;benkay;i can always demonstrate control of that key to relevant parties, so i'm not convinced 544971;1393917171;dignork;not through gribble though 544972;1393917175;BingoBoingo;benkay: Yeah, but that is exactly why Mutually GPG signed contracts are the future 544973;1393917218;Apocalyptic;<dignork> benkay, i could dos you from authing, by reissuing 'eauth benkay' // only up to a certain point 544974;1393917235;Apocalyptic;you will then be banned by gribble for like 10 minutes which leaves him time to auth properly 544975;1393917251;dignork;Apocalyptic, multiple nicks, etc 544976;1393917474;benkay;it'd be a fun experiment if assbot randomly asked people to auth 544977;1393917512;benkay;so crypto is dangerous, right? what are the risks of randomly asking people to auth? 544978;1393917540;benkay;upside is better hygiene via frequent use of tools; downside is...incentives to grow lazy? 544979;1393917598;dignork;benkay, at some point you'll decrypt you gpg key, so you won;t have to type in the password for each time you auth 544980;1393917901;BingoBoingo;So... like ATC has crashed hard. 544981;1393917906;BingoBoingo;An Imma sleep 544982;1393917930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9464 @ 0.00084602 = 8.0067 BTC [+] 544983;1393917971;benkay;why not just decrypt for every use? 544984;1393917984;BingoBoingo;I think Altcoin has been too cheap for too long, I'll give it a night or two and maybe I'll act on that thought. 544985;1393917993;dignork;benkay lost nardware==lost key then 544986;1393918005;benkay;assume backup? 544987;1393918023;dignork;benkay i meant exposed 544988;1393918103;benkay;not following diginork, sorry 544989;1393918114;benkay;lost hardware == exposed key? 544990;1393918158;dignork;benkay, if your keys are not crypted, if you loose your hardware, or it gets stolen, somebody get's your keys 544991;1393918188;dignork;same scenario with crypted keys, he will have to bruteforce them 544992;1393918215;benkay;sure. best practices come into play with the bruteforcing. 544993;1393918319;dignork;to sustain bruteforce, keys need to be crypted with long meaningless password, security is hard and boring :( 544994;1393918380;benkay;;;google romanian dicelist 544995;1393918381;gribble;Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/romanian-dicelist>; Climax pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/climax>; Decembrie 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/12> 544996;1393918384;jurov;dignork: afaik nobody yet refuted the diceware method (randomly chosen words, easy to remember and still hard to crack) 544997;1393918414;jurov;http://explo.yt/post/2014/02/26/Bruce-Schneier-passwords-fail i'm on it here 544998;1393918415;ozbot;Bruce Schneier passwords fail - serialized delusions 544999;1393918450;dignork;jurov, easy to remember, but entropy is low, a lot of buttins to punch, broken hands, loss of qualification, death 545000;1393918471;benkay;anyways, diginork, it sounds like the critique you're leveling is that "people will stoop to holding their keys unencrypted if used frequently" 545001;1393918480;jurov;did you actually a) try it b) did the math? 545002;1393918511;jurov;i found even 50 char long passprase easier to type than 15-char gobbledygook 545003;1393918539;jurov;not to mention remember 545004;1393918577;benkay;this is the tradeoff! 545005;1393918589;jurov;what tradeoff? 545006;1393918600;benkay;memorability vs entropy 545007;1393918611;jurov;pls explain 545008;1393918623;dignork;jurov, my mail account is a phrase, but the only reason i keep it, is that most cases it remembers me via cookies 545009;1393918624;jurov;they have the same entropy 545010;1393918639;benkay;it's a more general tradeoff: convenience/security 545011;1393918652;jurov;that's what nsa wants you to believe 545012;1393918656;dignork;entropy is lower to a gibberish of comparable length 545013;1393918667;benkay;i want to use my keys regularly. that entails memorizing an absurd passphrase and using it all the time to forestall neuron rot. 545014;1393918669;BingoBoingo;Dice all of the lists, like carrots 545015;1393918678;jurov;looks my point gets completely lost agina and again 545016;1393918701;jurov;benkay just try it, it's easier than it sounds 545017;1393918729;benkay;oh i agree - forgive me for giving the impression that i think diceware doesn't work 545018;1393918764;benkay;and diced passphrases are way better than the shorter, random ones 545019;1393918806;benkay;i've just started waking up in cold sweats, haunted by mpoe-pr's story 545020;1393918810;jurov;everyone gets all heprderp and then comes schneier "just think of a sentence and use first letters" 545021;1393918825;jurov;now how hig entropy can *that* have? 545022;1393918901;jurov;iirc every word in english sentence adds only 4 bits or so...and if one strips if to first letters 545023;1393918917;jurov;just a disaster bound to happen 545024;1393919048;jurov;oh what happened to mpoe-pr ??? 545025;1393919089;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0890001 = 0.623 BTC [-] {2} 545026;1393919091;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00016701 = 0.167 BTC [-] 545027;1393919154;benkay;she wrote a story a while back 545028;1393919159;benkay;"that which will be delivered" or some such 545029;1393919163;benkay;i've completely failed to dig it up 545030;1393919173;jurov;for the competition? 545031;1393919181;benkay;b'leev so 545032;1393919183;jurov;yes i know 545033;1393919211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 242 @ 0.00567491 = 1.3733 BTC [+] {6} 545034;1393919282;benkay;the one about the kid and the keys 545035;1393919317;benkay;yours gave me no small heebie-jeebies either 545036;1393919393;benkay;http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/ 545037;1393919394;ozbot;Shall be Delivered | The Whet 545038;1393919404;benkay;the "whet" not the "what" 545039;1393919422;jurov;yes. but hannah's would only work if gpg would be akin to religion... only zealots could think of giving such responsibility to a child 545040;1393919629;jurov;not to say it's implausible, people can believe in anything 545041;1393919638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1999 @ 0.00016599 = 0.3318 BTC [-] {9} 545042;1393919699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13001 @ 0.00016094 = 2.0924 BTC [-] {4} 545043;1393919701;benkay;yeah man how does one teach good crypto hygine to kids? 545044;1393921041;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00084318 = 15.8096 BTC [-] {2} 545045;1393921346;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 42 @ 0.07538107 = 3.166 BTC [-] {14} 545046;1393921407;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [+] 545047;1393921591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 404 @ 0.0055 = 2.222 BTC [-] {3} 545048;1393922322;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-] 545049;1393922566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00084086 = 6.4746 BTC [-] 545050;1393922627;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.0048 = 0.1872 BTC [-] {2} 545051;1393923542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09048 = 0.2714 BTC [+] 545052;1393923603;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.090495 = 0.362 BTC [+] {2} 545053;1393924030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00084086 = 10.5108 BTC [-] 545054;1393924091;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.090995 = 0.273 BTC [+] 545055;1393924152;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00017898 = 0.8949 BTC [+] {12} 545056;1393924335;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 133 @ 0.00495352 = 0.6588 BTC [+] {2} 545057;1393924640;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 141 @ 0.00495356 = 0.6985 BTC [+] {2} 545058;1393924945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 4,050.17291466 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 810 satoshi per share 545059;1393925068;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 3.68215411 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 122 satoshi per share 545060;1393925136;mircea_popescu;soo... turns out this was best dividend in s.mpoe history. 545061;1393925172;mircea_popescu;428 satoshi on 29-09-12 and 506 satoshi 26-01-13 being the previous highs 545062;1393925616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07598485 = 0.5319 BTC [+] {2} 545063;1393925666;dub;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5493553#msg5493553 545064;1393925668;ozbot;Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam. 545065;1393925738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 91 @ 0.00495354 = 0.4508 BTC [-] 545066;1393926287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41421 @ 0.00083883 = 34.7452 BTC [-] {3} 545067;1393926369;mircea_popescu;dub lol 545068;1393926742;punkman;"KAM Analysts have come out and established the opening price for MZC at $1.00 USD as a opening price. "We felt this was a reasonable opening price with the Alt Market the way it is currently, Dogecoin is setting around $1.17 in some exchanges and MAXcoin is still right around $1.28." 545069;1393926748;punkman;http://www.kimitsuassetmanagement.com/ 545070;1393926765;mircea_popescu;>< 545071;1393926767;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is this. 545072;1393926776;mircea_popescu;another "altcoin" with a 349587598437598349534 "mkt cap" ? 545073;1393926782;punkman;it's auroracoin for indians 545074;1393926803;mircea_popescu;oh. 545075;1393926806;mircea_popescu;great IDEA 545076;1393926813;punkman;http://www.mazacoin.org/about.html 545077;1393926814;ozbot;MazaCoin - About 545078;1393926815;mircea_popescu;sometimes i wonder if the "entrepreneur" scum even knows what idea means. 545079;1393926822;punkman;"During the first phase of the MazaCoin pre-mine, the Traditional Lakota Nation as represented by the BTC Oyate Initiative will pre-mine 25 million MazaCoins as the starting point of a National Crypto-Currency Reserve. This reserve is critical as a symbol of national sovereignty, and vital for the future of MazaCoin. " 545080;1393926876;mircea_popescu;of wtf. 545081;1393926885;mircea_popescu;we need more pianos to catch lots and lots of fingers in 545082;1393926909;mircea_popescu;i bet you some nigger* fuckwit somewhere thought "o hey, nobody can oppose this SCAM because it'd be raycest!!11" 545083;1393926928;mircea_popescu;*nigger in this context is a term of art. see http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/ for the definition. 545084;1393926950;punkman;yeah I know, been working on my own niggers.txt 545085;1393926958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00083813 = 12.991 BTC [-] {3} 545086;1393927080;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.608 = 1.216 BTC [+] 545087;1393927182;punkman;waiting for more lulz from that altcoin marketcap bet 545088;1393927202;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22315 @ 0.00083767 = 18.6926 BTC [-] {2} 545089;1393927211;mircea_popescu;sigh. 545090;1393927291;wao-ender;today topic, scamcoins? 545091;1393927298;*;wao-ender popcorn.gif 545092;1393927643;mircea_popescu;wao-ender no it's just this bet. 545093;1393927690;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-] 545094;1393927751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00559998 = 0.56 BTC [+] {3} 545095;1393927995;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9365 @ 0.00083687 = 7.8373 BTC [-] {2} 545096;1393927996;mircea_popescu;by the way : http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/ 545097;1393928008;mircea_popescu;the cuttoff for regs for the april conference is march 15th. there won't be late regs or anything. 545098;1393928056;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17385 @ 0.00083667 = 14.5455 BTC [-] 545099;1393928072;dub;I'll be in cambodia 545100;1393928117;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04270871 = 0.2563 BTC [-] {5} 545101;1393928498;jurov;;;bc,stats 545102;1393928502;gribble;Current Blocks: 288860 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 1443 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 10 hours, 57 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3883050502.07 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.76445 545103;1393928503;mircea_popescu;not a bad place to be 545104;1393928605;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.04241428 = 0.5938 BTC [-] {4} 545105;1393928949;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7iypi49ZW1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 545106;1393928953;mircea_popescu;(why did the chick cross the road ?) 545107;1393929398;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00471013 = 0.1036 BTC [-] 545108;1393929764;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00083849 = 19.998 BTC [+] 545109;1393930130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00083655 = 28.9446 BTC [-] {3} 545110;1393931106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25977 @ 0.00083953 = 21.8085 BTC [+] {2} 545111;1393931838;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00470895 = 0.7063 BTC [-] {8} 545112;1393932387;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 627 @ 0.00463136 = 2.9039 BTC [-] {7} 545113;1393932509;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1298 @ 0.0001866 = 0.2422 BTC [+] {6} 545114;1393932755;mircea_popescu;that bitcoin scam foundation thread is really delivering the lels. 545115;1393932814;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 545116;1393933413;wao-ender;v0v http://www.coindesk.com/icelands-auroracoin-passes-litecoin-becomes-third-largest-altcoin-market-cap/ 545117;1393933424;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 360 @ 0.0055 = 1.98 BTC 545118;1393933546;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00479999 = 0.48 BTC [+] 545119;1393933547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00559998 = 0.1456 BTC [+] {2} 545120;1393933607;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 188 @ 0.00567496 = 1.0669 BTC [+] {3} 545121;1393933689;mircea_popescu;we're in the middle of a debate as to how scammy this is. 545122;1393933746;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499595.0 545123;1393933748;ozbot;Satoshi should give away a good chunk of the 1.000.000 btc he has 545124;1393933750;mircea_popescu;teh forum hath spoken 545125;1393934250;chetty;there should be an award for the dumbest ideas 545126;1393934281;mircea_popescu;there is. 545127;1393934705;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6087 = 1.2174 BTC [+] {2} 545128;1393935031;jurov;darwin award doesn't quite apply to internet 545129;1393935272;KRS-One;Any rumor that mastercoin is going to save goxcoin 545130;1393935350;mircea_popescu;i heard auroracoin is going to disrupt rainbows. 545131;1393935376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55007 @ 0.00083292 = 45.8164 BTC [-] {2} 545132;1393935403;KRS-One;Its about time rainbows were disrupted. 545133;1393935422;KRS-One;Elusive bastards. 545134;1393935434;mircea_popescu;ikr ? now they're going to be square 545135;1393935444;KRS-One;wut! lel 545136;1393935475;KRS-One;First sinewave, now digital rainbows. Next thing you know cats will sleep with doges. 545137;1393935488;mircea_popescu;and have retarded otter children 545138;1393935743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-] 545139;1393935753;jurov;that's sloth, no? 545140;1393935799;mircea_popescu;lol i guess so 545141;1393936230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6099 = 6.099 BTC [+] {2} 545142;1393936413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 826 @ 0.0008375 = 0.6918 BTC [+] 545143;1393936535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+] 545144;1393936570;mircea_popescu;The thing is, your brain has to be full of prions to think that this "Punked By Obama Supporter" video shows Fox being punked, either that or you're in first grade where the following exchange is considered an awesome practical joke: "I told you my name's Bill, but it's not, it's Will! All this time you thought it was Bill! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" I'd warn that kid he's going to get himself beat up at recess if I wa 545145;1393936571;mircea_popescu;sn't helping collect the dirt bombs. 545146;1393936571;mircea_popescu;Imagine you are in the target demo for Fox & Friends (i.e. your ex-husband drives an F150 and your daughter's Nokia is bedazzled), would you feel punked? What would you see in the video? You'd see a wise ass, a self-aggrandizing cynic, a douchebag. So if he's pro-Obama, then the point is obvious: pro-Obama people are idiots. Thanks, Max, you helped the cause. 545147;1393936575;mircea_popescu;Imagine Gretchen Carlson doing what she should have done if she was smart: kept the interview going longer. "Oh, I'm sorry, Max, we must all be dummies here at Fox because when you told us you were pro-Romney we... just believed it. We do that with the Bible and pre-war intelligence, too, gosh golly. Well, you have a Columbia education and I'm giving you a national platform, why don't you tell us why we're all stupi 545148;1393936580;mircea_popescu;d here for supporting Romney? Why should we want Obama for a second term? Please, no soundbites you got from twitter." As the kid's head melts like he was staring into the Ark of the Covenant we'd see clearly that he isn't an Obama supporter at all. He may be voting for Obama, I have no idea, but he wasn't there for Obama, he was there for himself under the pretense antagonizing Fox, which is why his main argument 545149;1393936585;mircea_popescu;was "s'up." Advice for aspiring comics like Max: if you get to go on TV, you should probably prepare some material. 545150;1393936588;mircea_popescu;holy shit this guy's good. 545151;1393936840;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04325 = 0.173 BTC [+] {2} 545152;1393937023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00083169 = 31.9369 BTC [-] {2} 545153;1393937084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042625 = 0.1705 BTC [-] {2} 545154;1393937206;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0055 = 1.65 BTC 545155;1393937207;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.60001625 = 2.4001 BTC [-] {3} 545156;1393937267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00083628 = 12.8787 BTC [+] 545157;1393937389;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-] 545158;1393937450;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 104 @ 0.00567497 = 0.5902 BTC [+] 545159;1393937816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1983 @ 0.00083083 = 1.6475 BTC [-] 545160;1393937863;moiety;mew 545161;1393937874;moiety;BingoBoingo, you around? 545162;1393937924;mircea_popescu;hey there moiety 545163;1393937931;moiety;mircea_popescu: are you 545164;1393937932;moiety;lol 545165;1393937940;moiety;yes hi how are you? 545166;1393937956;moiety;look at this http://imgur.com/gallery/X3IbG it's immense 545167;1393938011;mircea_popescu;you made that ?! 545168;1393938038;chetty;wow, I want one 545169;1393938043;asciilifeform;woah 545170;1393938213;moiety;i truly wish i made that mircea_popescu 545171;1393938222;moiety;how amazing is it 545172;1393938222;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 545173;1393938229;moiety;lol ^ 545174;1393938257;moiety;i wonder who did make it and i wish there were better pictures of the sides 545175;1393938310;moiety;the set i made, i used half kinder eggs with beer cap crowns for queens lol 545176;1393938318;mircea_popescu;lol 545177;1393938328;moiety;they had googly eyes too... made the game 545178;1393938332;mircea_popescu;neat btc product tho, find them and hussle them. 545179;1393938375;moiety;i think that's the only chess set you can commit a murder with 545180;1393938487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00567498 = 0.2837 BTC [+] 545181;1393938549;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0055 = 1.65 BTC {2} 545182;1393938609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 402 @ 0.00567498 = 2.2813 BTC [+] {3} 545183;1393938610;moiety;omg its only $295 545184;1393938681;moiety;lies 910CAD http://www.etsy.com/ca/shop/OldeWorldCC?ref=l2-shopheader-name 545185;1393938751;moiety;bizarre "only ships within united states" why is it in CAD then 545186;1393939036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 40 @ 0.00457976 = 0.1832 BTC [-] 545187;1393939280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17735 @ 0.00083593 = 14.8252 BTC [+] {2} 545188;1393939387;mircea_popescu;"A Kremlin aide was quoted on Tuesday as saying that if the United States were to impose sanctions on Russia over Ukraine, Moscow might be forced to drop the dollar as a reserve currency and refuse to pay off any loans to US banks." 545189;1393939395;mircea_popescu;now that'd be a riot. 545190;1393939411;mircea_popescu;suddenly the eu is forced to ALSO drop the dollar because if you can't buy gas from the gazprom with it then what good is it ? 545191;1393939461;mircea_popescu;putin could just get done with it and declare obama must now spend a week naked in chains pulling the plow under the whip somewhere in rural ukraine. 545192;1393939497;asciilifeform;plow? bah. uprooted tree stump. what pre-iron-age slavs plowed with. 545193;1393939585;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44737 @ 0.00083635 = 37.4158 BTC [+] {3} 545194;1393939662;mircea_popescu;but black slavery is a modern not pre-iron-age phenomena 545195;1393939668;mircea_popescu;let us preserve historic accuracy. 545196;1393939695;mircea_popescu;anyway, s/whip/knuth 545197;1393939725;chetty;5. The fax machine was invented the same year as the Oregon trail migration. 545198;1393939838;asciilifeform;chetty: early faxes required user to trace over the picture 545199;1393939840;asciilifeform;by hand 545200;1393939850;asciilifeform;not quite what modern people have in mind when they think 'fax' 545201;1393939926;deadweasel;you have died from from plague. your party died in a river crossing. 545202;1393939932;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform now we know how the office xeros romp got started. 545203;1393939935;asciilifeform;'you have died of death' 545204;1393939943;mircea_popescu;o 545205;1393939945;asciilifeform;(i distinctly recall that being in there) 545206;1393939958;mircea_popescu;you know i never get you people. i always packed an arsenal of bullets, hunted, got super rich 545207;1393939966;mircea_popescu;i usually made 3-4x my money by the time i was in oregon 545208;1393940068;mircea_popescu;http://newswatch.us/28-year-old-ceo-of-bitcoin-exchange-dead-after-possible-suicide/#sthash.17rKP4om.dpuf 545209;1393940069;ozbot;28 Year Old CEO Of Bitcoin Exchange Dead After Possible Suicide | NEWSWATCH 545210;1393940101;asciilifeform;nailgun? 545211;1393940134;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 95 @ 0.0055 = 0.5225 BTC 545212;1393940273;mircea_popescu;karpuccinos 545213;1393940300;mircea_popescu;(twist : Autumn Radtke was a chick) 545214;1393940316;asciilifeform;probably asked to 'turn karp' and refused. 545215;1393940470;punkman;Poloniex hacked, but hackers only took out BTC, didn't care for the altcoins 545216;1393940492;mircea_popescu;what, they left all the auracoins behind ? 545217;1393940501;mircea_popescu;BUT IT HAS A MARKET CAP! with a fluffball and all. 545218;1393940511;asciilifeform;house burgled, thieves took tv but not the turds in the cat's sandbox... 545219;1393940527;punkman;"The major problem here is that the auditing and security features were not explicitly looking for negative balances." 545220;1393940562;punkman;"Because there is not enough BTC to cover everyone's balances, all balances will temporarily be deducted by 12.3%." 545221;1393940581;asciilifeform;can't wait for the exchange that keeps balances as 'unsigned int' and underflows into $MAXINT - epsilon when it gets cleaned out. 545222;1393940622;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 113 @ 0.00574805 = 0.6495 BTC [+] {5} 545223;1393940683;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 505 @ 0.00574406 = 2.9008 BTC [-] {2} 545224;1393940744;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 988 @ 0.00574 = 5.6711 BTC [-] 545225;1393940806;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+] 545226;1393940814;Multivac;haha, derps sell their LTCs for AURs, causing LTC to fal from 25 to 21, then BTCChina lists LTC and it goes to 27 545227;1393940871;ThickAsThieves;maybe itll go back to 40 545228;1393941171;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.0049463 = 1.6817 BTC [+] {6} 545229;1393941341;wao-ender;http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/27/world/europe/ukraine-divisions-crimea.html 545230;1393941354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00083182 = 8.9837 BTC [-] 545231;1393941354;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00575 = 0.575 BTC [+] 545232;1393941355;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00490999 = 0.1227 BTC [-] 545233;1393941477;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00575 = 0.2875 BTC [+] 545234;1393941537;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00574999 = 0.1495 BTC [-] {2} 545235;1393941626;mircea_popescu;http://imgur.com/Jr4uWC2 545236;1393941626;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 545237;1393941633;mircea_popescu;someone should dump that on twitter. 545238;1393941636;mircea_popescu;i mean reddit. 545239;1393941710;ThickAsThieves;get a MPOE-RedditPR 545240;1393941716;mircea_popescu;http://beforeitsnews.com/chemtrails/2014/03/russia-attacked-largest-oil-refinery-in-europe-is-on-fire-in-huge-blaze-2442038.html 545241;1393941716;ozbot;Russia Attacked? Largest Oil Refinery In Europe Is On Fire In Huge Blaze | Chemtrails 545242;1393941721;mircea_popescu;sooo... is this a fake ? 545243;1393941773;asciilifeform;http://englishrussia.com/2014/03/03/largest-oil-refinery-in-europe-is-on-fire 545244;1393941773;ozbot;Largest Oil Refinery in Europe is on Fire | English Russia 545245;1393941777;mircea_popescu;http://www.euronews.com/2014/01/10/german-oil-refinery-fire-and-explosion/ 545246;1393941778;ozbot;German oil refinery fire and explosion | euronews, world news 545247;1393941783;mircea_popescu;apparently it's shell's rheinland 545248;1393941864;asciilifeform;no snow in that one. 545249;1393941876;mircea_popescu;hm 545250;1393941897;ThickAsThieves;:/ 545251;1393942025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42285 @ 0.00083931 = 35.4902 BTC [+] {3} 545252;1393942026;diametric;Why is in a category called 'chemtrails' 545253;1393942085;mircea_popescu;probably because the chemtrails did it ? 545254;1393942635;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0434999 = 0.1305 BTC [+] 545255;1393942647;moiety;oh jeez 545256;1393942688;moiety;i don't like shell, but that's awful 545257;1393943009;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/04/smut_filter_adviser_to_uk_pm_investigated_for_viewing_child_smut/ 545258;1393943222;ThickAsThieves;http://blockchain.com/ 545259;1393943245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00083505 = 24.634 BTC [-] 545260;1393943246;Rulother;ooo 545261;1393943257;ThickAsThieves;Transparent exchange maybe? 545262;1393943336;Rulother;Well we're expecting "big news" from them soon 545263;1393943350;ozbot;Blockchain.com - Bitcoin Wallet. 545264;1393943489;nubbins`;judging by the picture of an iphone 545265;1393943501;nubbins`;i'd say the big news is a functional html5 web wallet 545266;1393943514;nubbins`;to replace the ios app that got yanked 545267;1393943525;ThickAsThieves;meh 545268;1393943543;nubbins`;meh for some, a boon for others 545269;1393943567;asciilifeform;exploit bounty for yet others. 545270;1393943761;nubbins`;+1 :D 545271;1393943983;ThickAsThieves;KateCraig: "However, the bigger reason for the delay is that I've been trying to track down an accounting error. My spreadsheet says we should have much more in the h/w reinvestment fund than we actually have in the bank. I believe I've traced the issue to how depreciation was being calculated." 545272;1393944046;asciilifeform;'On March 2nd 2014 Flexcoin was attacked and robbed of all coins in the hot wallet. The attacker made off with 896 BTC...' (http://flexcoin.com) 545273;1393944099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+] {2} 545274;1393944137;asciilifeform;'As Flexcoin does not have the resources, assets, or otherwise to come back from this loss, we are closing our doors immediately.' 545275;1393944574;nubbins`;well that's convenient 545276;1393944591;Apocalyptic;indeed 545277;1393944595;Apocalyptic;yet another self-hack 545278;1393944638;nubbins`;"Flexcoin, Inc is located in the Alberta, Canada" 545279;1393944643;nubbins`;ah, the Alberta 545280;1393944648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00083505 = 8.5175 BTC [-] 545281;1393944666;azi`;why would anyone use a service described as "bitcoin bank"? 545282;1393944683;nubbins`;heh 545283;1393944684;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bitcoin-bank-flexcoin-shuts-down-after-600-000-theft-1.2559018 545284;1393944684;ozbot;Bitcoin bank Flexcoin shuts down after $600,000 theft - Business - CBC News 545285;1393944717;deadweasel;nice to have a shake-out now and again. 545286;1393944724;nubbins`;https://twitter.com/flexcoin 545287;1393944724;ozbot;flexcoin (flexcoin) on Twitter 545288;1393944725;nubbins`;heh 545289;1393944734;nubbins`;feb 25: "We hold zero coins in other companies, exchanges etc. While the MtGox closure is unfortunate, we at Flexcoin have not lost anything." 545290;1393944742;nubbins`;march 4: "Flexcoin will be shutting its doors." 545291;1393944755;azi`;lol 545292;1393944761;ThickAsThieves;does LAMP have a way to autclose db connections (of a certain age) across all hosted sites 545293;1393944772;ThickAsThieves;or must it be done in each site script 545294;1393945228;diametric;ThickAsThieves: its been a while since I've done any PHP code, but all connections get closed if you open them with mysql_connect vs. pconnect 545295;1393945237;diametric;closed at the end of the session that is 545296;1393945380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33508 @ 0.00083267 = 27.9011 BTC [-] {2} 545297;1393945400;ThickAsThieves;thx 545298;1393945624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00083131 = 22.1128 BTC [-] {2} 545299;1393945771;punkman;"Make music with the world. "The Cypherfunks" is a decentralized band & cryptocurrency. A new way to make music in the 21st century! The cryptocurrency, enables the new music collective." 545300;1393945807;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04299999 = 0.129 BTC [-] 545301;1393945991;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.043 = 0.172 BTC [+] 545302;1393945997;ThickAsThieves;to steal 545303;1393946250;punkman;"Or, in other words, if Satoshi Nakamoto is the Genius Father of Cryptocurrency as an advancement in cryptotechnology, then Thomas Jackson is its Genius Uncle as an advancement in cryptotechnology in world economics." 545304;1393946424;asciilifeform;http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=22764360 545305;1393946424;ozbot;$10M Calif. Gold Coin Hoard Found in Yard May Have Been Stolen From Mint - ABC News 545306;1393946442;asciilifeform;tldr: if you find gold, shut up, melt it down 545307;1393946763;ThickAsThieves;Nic Cary will be on bloomberg tv in 35m 545308;1393946771;ThickAsThieves;http://www.bloomberg.com/tv/ 545309;1393946771;ozbot;Bloomberg TV: Business Live TV - Bloomberg 545310;1393946905;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.609 BTC [+] 545311;1393947088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699996 = 0.154 BTC [-] 545312;1393947149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52950 @ 0.0008303 = 43.9644 BTC [-] {3} 545313;1393947169;moiety;aww asciilifeform is that the couple who were out walking and found the gold? 545314;1393947266;asciilifeform;moiety: yeah, them 545315;1393947277;asciilifeform;moiety: linked piece mentions that it might be confiscated. 545316;1393947292;moiety;so if they prove its the 1900 heist money, they won't get anything? 545317;1393947315;asciilifeform;that was the claim, yes 545318;1393947320;moiety;plot twist : there weren't only five cans (i hope) 545319;1393947373;moiety;i'd be too frightened to open the cans for fear of beasties 545320;1393947508;ThickAsThieves;mircea_popescu pm 545321;1393947674;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg5506076#msg5506076 545322;1393947676;ozbot;Official CaVirtex.com Thread 545323;1393947684;nubbins`;now that's an interesting way to respond 545324;1393947698;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.043 = 0.559 BTC [+] 545325;1393947757;nubbins`;<b><i><u>My response</u></i></b> 545326;1393947769;nubbins`;quoting is hard etc 545327;1393947942;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00489979 = 0.2499 BTC [+] {2} 545328;1393948186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.043 = 0.86 BTC [+] 545329;1393948430;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.043 = 2.666 BTC [+] 545330;1393948548;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves lol katecraig is still delayed ? 545331;1393948549;mircea_popescu;wasn't it xmas ? 545332;1393948578;mircea_popescu;aww flexcoin eh ? which was this one ? i forget. 545333;1393948688;Apocalyptic;the first bitcoin bank 545334;1393948701;Apocalyptic;it's been around for a while afaik 545335;1393948765;mircea_popescu;pretty sure it's not the first thing posing as a bank no 545336;1393948816;nubbins`;hadnt heard of it before today 545337;1393948820;Apocalyptic;should have included quotes I guess 545338;1393948832;mircea_popescu;larger amounts of airqutes pls 545339;1393948844;nubbins`;the "first" bitcoin "bank" 545340;1393948863;mircea_popescu;t"he" etc 545341;1393948870;nubbins`;"theft" 545342;1393948871;mircea_popescu;AIRQUOTE EVERYTHING 545343;1393948883;Apocalyptic;heh 545344;1393948907;nubbins`;"flexcoin" "will be" "shutting" its "doors" 545345;1393948917;ThickAsThieves;hehe obama is announcing new budget from an elementary school 545346;1393948937;nubbins`;did someone whisper it in his ear while he was reading a story? 545347;1393948972;nubbins`;followed by a look of utter confusion and a few more paragraphs of story-time? 545348;1393948994;mircea_popescu;"its" 545349;1393949035;nubbins`;hey those aren't your doors! 545350;1393949076;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/report-slum-landlords-dennis-o-keefe-says-1.2558938 545351;1393949077;ozbot;Report slum landlords, Dennis O'Keefe says - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News 545352;1393949096;nubbins`;"O'Keefe said the city will act quickly on complaints once they're received, but if a landlord refuses to allow an inspector into the unit, the city then has to go to court. If an order to clean up a property is then ignored, they would have to go to court again." 545353;1393949106;nubbins`;report slum landlords, wait two years for solution 545354;1393949111;nubbins`;meantime, get kicked out of your house 545355;1393949127;mircea_popescu;that's you ?! 545356;1393949131;nubbins`;nah 545357;1393949134;nubbins`;i'm not an o'keefe 545358;1393949141;nubbins`;nor a dennis, for that matter 545359;1393949142;mircea_popescu;is keefe like the most common canadian name ? 545360;1393949146;Mats_cd03;any bets on when the next exchange with >1000btc gets robbed 545361;1393949147;nubbins`;relatively uncommon 545362;1393949150;nubbins`;lots of o'keefes 545363;1393949155;mircea_popescu;aha i c 545364;1393949171;nubbins`;3 generations back, we were o'keeffe but dropped an o and an f 545365;1393949175;Duffer1;you mean "robbed" Mats? :P 545366;1393949184;nubbins`;"exchange" 545367;1393949188;Duffer1;hehe 545368;1393949193;nubbins`;"with", even 545369;1393949199;Mats_cd03;is there a sizable irish pop in cn 545370;1393949202;Mats_cd03;ca* 545371;1393949205;Apocalyptic;sounds about right 545372;1393949214;nubbins`;most of newfoundland has irish heritage 545373;1393949225;nubbins`;of some sort 545374;1393949245;nubbins`;the rest of canada, not so much 545375;1393949254;nubbins`;but it is a nation of immigrants, so y'know. pockets everywhere 545376;1393949345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00083003 = 10.5414 BTC [-] {3} 545377;1393949345;nubbins`;TBF my ancestors came from england, nor ireland. 545378;1393949443;nubbins`;bbl picking up rent, etc 545379;1393949449;artifexd;I'm looking to buy some ATC. x-bt and openex orderbooks are too thin. Anybody selling? 545380;1393949514;mircea_popescu;artifexd maybe BingoBoingo 545381;1393949604;artifexd;;;later tell BingoBoingo I'm trying to buy some ATC. Are you trying to sell? 545382;1393949605;gribble;The operation succeeded. 545383;1393949650;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00574998 = 0.575 BTC [+] {2} 545384;1393949709;ThickAsThieves;blockchain on bloomberg momentarily 545385;1393949717;ThickAsThieves;http://www.bloomberg.com/tv/ 545386;1393949717;ozbot;Bloomberg TV: Business Live TV - Bloomberg 545387;1393949790;ThickAsThieves;facebook is gonna buy drones to provide internet to africa 545388;1393949795;ThickAsThieves;sell! 545389;1393949824;moiety;is mark spending his xmas money or something lately? 545390;1393949844;ThickAsThieves;blockchain.info bought clarkmoody 545391;1393949859;ThickAsThieves;integrating with zeroblock 545392;1393949860;moiety;o.o 545393;1393949886;ThickAsThieves;they bought rtbtc 545394;1393949929;mircea_popescu;the bitcoin founation policy of decentralisation ? 545395;1393949933;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun 545396;1393949942;ThickAsThieves;so they are opening a trading platform 545397;1393949943;arij;really? when did they buy cm/rtbtc? 545398;1393949945;Duffer1;acquire all the things 545399;1393949952;ThickAsThieves;this week arij 545400;1393949964;Apocalyptic;<ThickAsThieves> so they are opening a trading platform // wait, rtbtc was not just charts ? 545401;1393949970;mircea_popescu;"Tommie Rice Esti castigator, o PETRECERE de sfarsit de SAPTAMA..." 545402;1393949985;mircea_popescu;fucktarded romanian spammers. buy spam software, replace the subject/body copy, 545403;1393949987;arij;rtbtc lets you trade at gox/stamp using the API 545404;1393949988;mircea_popescu;use english names. 545405;1393949989;Duffer1;rtbtc is a trade platform 545406;1393949997;mircea_popescu;it totally makes sense some random tommie rice is fluent in romanian 545407;1393950042;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: twist. google's mail has built-in translation. so, spammers no longer need to study languages. 545408;1393950042;*;arij wonders what will happen to the bitvps link on clarkmoody 545409;1393950072;ThickAsThieves;it'll get a lot of clicks today 545410;1393950073;ThickAsThieves;hehe 545411;1393950094;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, this is actually correct romanian. it's nigh on impossible for gt to get 8 words straight. 545412;1393950102;ThickAsThieves;"our company will never touch fiat" cary says 545413;1393950112;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no, what i meant was, the receiving end 545414;1393950121;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves "like we learned from mp" cary doesn't say 545415;1393950124;asciilifeform;if google's mail, will translate to luser's language. 545416;1393950124;mircea_popescu;cause he forgot that part. 545417;1393950135;mircea_popescu;one day i'll understand why this is so hard. 545418;1393950147;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, but, badly. 545419;1393950181;ThickAsThieves;ok zeroblock isnt an independent exchange, just an interfacing platform 545420;1393950183;asciilifeform;a good portion of english-language spam shows signs of being produced in exactly this way. 545421;1393950194;ThickAsThieves;for $20/m 545422;1393950211;mircea_popescu;i believe it. 545423;1393950242;wao-ender;good move bch. 545424;1393950255;wao-ender;these trading platform should rise 545425;1393950335;ThickAsThieves;i love how now that gox is dead, we don't get 25% price moves after every news tidbit 545426;1393950366;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: a team of chumpatronic engineers is working around the clock to fix this. 545427;1393950372;ThickAsThieves;hehe 545428;1393950382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00082991 = 10.4569 BTC [-] 545429;1393950390;wao-ender;soon they move to another X 545430;1393950391;asciilifeform;'a holy place never remains empty' (rus. proverb) 545431;1393950466;asciilifeform;expect a 'MtFox' or the like, using mouth and arse- prints for N-factor authentication and 'AML' government id both 545432;1393950470;asciilifeform;or something like that. 545433;1393950504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00485001 = 0.2425 BTC [-] 545434;1393950515;asciilifeform;the only sure bet is that there will be some sweet placebo to reassure the chumps that 'this time, It's Different !11! (TM)' 545435;1393950651;ThickAsThieves;reddit is very disappointed in Cary 545436;1393950683;ThickAsThieves;it is kinda non-news 545437;1393950692;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform has it lol. 545438;1393950706;mircea_popescu;mp says gox is trading with itself, ppl are like oooooookay. 545439;1393950714;mircea_popescu;then gox goes away and price suddenly is quite stable. 545440;1393950716;ThickAsThieves;also they shouldve at least rebranded the acquisition site fully 545441;1393950718;mircea_popescu;so mp goes oooookay. 545442;1393950728;ThickAsThieves;they just slapped a squished logo on it 545443;1393950745;ThickAsThieves;tsk tsk brandbuilding! 545444;1393950781;ThickAsThieves;well gox is probably also what got us to $300+ 545445;1393950794;ThickAsThieves;fwiw 545446;1393950853;ThickAsThieves;blockchain also shoulda removed this frozen gox chart from clarkmoody lol 545447;1393950856;ThickAsThieves;http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/ 545448;1393950856;ozbot;Bitcoin Data Platform | RTBTC 545449;1393950876;mircea_popescu;what's the rush. 545450;1393950892;ThickAsThieves;well they just said "Hey look at me!" 545451;1393950899;ThickAsThieves;typiclaly a good time to comb your hair 545452;1393950910;mircea_popescu;http://imgur.com/Jr4uWC2 << check that shit out, suddenly "no data available/0 views" 545453;1393950910;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 545454;1393950919;mircea_popescu;i didn't know imgur deleted stats ? 545455;1393950931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.05110001 = 0.3066 BTC [+] {3} 545456;1393950932;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00485772 = 0.1069 BTC [+] {2} 545457;1393950962;ThickAsThieves;hmm that is odd 545458;1393950992;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00485 = 0.1067 BTC [-] {3} 545459;1393951211;deadweasel;it's not recording stats anymore either 545460;1393951253;mircea_popescu;CONSPIRACI 545461;1393951293;mircea_popescu;twist : is imgur running fractional reserve stats ? 545462;1393951297;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0057498 = 0.575 BTC [-] {2} 545463;1393951315;deadweasel;they had to use yoru stats to cover the justin beiber run on imgur 545464;1393951358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16623 @ 0.00082995 = 13.7963 BTC [+] {2} 545465;1393951358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00574999 = 0.4255 BTC [+] 545466;1393951368;mircea_popescu;a statschain divided upon itself can not stand! 545467;1393951390;mircea_popescu;friends! bitcoiners! citizens! lend me your views! 545468;1393951806;Duffer1;I only have likes, do you accept those? 545469;1393951815;artifexd;lol 545470;1393951831;Duffer1;actually i think i have some spare upvotes 545471;1393951838;mircea_popescu;;;ticker likes/views 545472;1393951840;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) 545473;1393952395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.38356683 BTC to 3`617 shares, 65899 satoshi per share 545474;1393952456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7177 @ 0.00082986 = 5.9559 BTC [-] 545475;1393952517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14623 @ 0.00083032 = 12.1418 BTC [+] 545476;1393952749;mircea_popescu;in today's lol : trilema referrer ronpaulforums.com comes slightly ahead of somethingawful.com 545477;1393952766;mircea_popescu;not by much and towards the bottom of the pile, but anyway 545478;1393952775;asciilifeform;what's in the top of the pile? 545479;1393952805;Duffer1;^ 545480;1393952815;mircea_popescu;direct, various rss and twitter feeds 545481;1393952822;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+] {2} 545482;1393952824;mircea_popescu;slashdot 545483;1393952830;mircea_popescu;reddit (0.o) 545484;1393952838;mircea_popescu;tardstalk 545485;1393952841;mircea_popescu;litecointalk 545486;1393952846;mircea_popescu;buncha chinese and russian stuff 545487;1393952895;asciilifeform;phun phact. first time i ever heard of reddit, i parsed the name as 'Red [i.e. communist] Edit [as in editorial]' 545488;1393952905;mircea_popescu;lots of ancient links 545489;1393952918;mircea_popescu;(my article about how to suck cock is still 3rd most read, won't yield that beast) 545490;1393952943;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you were so woefully, drastically and deplorably off the mark with that 545491;1393952947;mircea_popescu;except wait... 545492;1393952954;mircea_popescu;no you weren't. 545493;1393953005;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60000003 BTC [-] 545494;1393953007;asciilifeform;i'm an 'LL(1)' parser. 545495;1393953071;mircea_popescu;i have a steak at stake and it's fucking sticking it to me 545496;1393953107;asciilifeform;i'd rather eat steak than stake. 545497;1393953134;mircea_popescu;im stoked :D 545498;1393953161;asciilifeform;'stokes' is a joke, but green's is mean' 545499;1393953178;asciilifeform;(memory from a maths class) 545500;1393953188;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00574999 = 0.69 BTC [+] 545501;1393953189;mircea_popescu;i suppose we'll have to have rhymes day namean ? 545502;1393953371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00082934 = 6.7591 BTC [-] 545503;1393953432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 676 @ 0.00462569 = 3.127 BTC [-] {8} 545504;1393953901;moiety;http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/04/apple-carplay-ferrari-ff-hands-on/ lol resistive touch screen 545505;1393953901;ozbot;Hands-on with Apple's CarPlay: when Siri met Ferrari (video) 545506;1393953908;moiety;so ugly! 545507;1393953920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00082934 = 31.4735 BTC [-] 545508;1393954020;wao-ender;looks resistive 545509;1393954103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00083029 = 1.37 BTC [+] 545510;1393954114;moiety;looks resistable 545511;1393954361;wao-ender;capacitivy wouldnt has that flick buttons 545512;1393954366;Mats_cd03;looks like a good competitor to the stuff in tesla's cars 545513;1393954378;wao-ender;but volvo have capacitve one carplay, well 545514;1393954383;asciilifeform;who the hell wants a touch screen in a car 545515;1393954386;Mats_cd03;i do 545516;1393954395;asciilifeform;knob, you can twist without looking 545517;1393954413;Mats_cd03;im not a scrub that needs haptic feedback 545518;1393954518;Mats_cd03;its my opinion that good software solves that problem anyway 545519;1393954525;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't think the people targetted actually drive. 545520;1393954539;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: !? 545521;1393954549;asciilifeform;screen is meant for passenger? 545522;1393954552;mircea_popescu;nah 545523;1393954559;mircea_popescu;screen is meant for douche who can't afford a car at all 545524;1393954562;Mats_cd03;why cant you use a touch screen with a voice button mounted on teh wheel 545525;1393954577;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how is this supposed to work? am i just thick? 545526;1393954585;mircea_popescu;"look how cool and from the future we are" 545527;1393954595;mircea_popescu;ferrari doesn't sell cars by convincing anyone to buy one 545528;1393954607;mircea_popescu;ferrari sells cars by convincing poor lithe 20something chicks to blow anyone in a ferrari 545529;1393954617;asciilifeform;so this is something like the ads on the washington d.c. metro for fighter jets and destroyers? 545530;1393954628;mircea_popescu;mutatis mutandis 545531;1393954636;mircea_popescu;or should i say, mutatits mutandine 545532;1393954713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.0222 = 0.111 BTC [+] 545533;1393954965;mircea_popescu;(this, incidentally, is also why all the limited edition crap) 545534;1393955175;mircea_popescu;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/presidential-budget-2015/? 545535;1393955175;mircea_popescu;check out all those healthcare savings already. 545536;1393955175;mircea_popescu;#obamawasright 545537;1393955175;ozbot;Breaking down spending in Obama's budget proposal - The Washington Post 545538;1393955221;mircea_popescu;tyl : veteran affairs cost as much as education or health care. who knew there's a cost to all that jingoism. 545539;1393955279;asciilifeform;in u.s., actual education (public schools, etc) is funded on state level 545540;1393955286;asciilifeform;federal 'dept. of ed' is something quite else 545541;1393955358;mircea_popescu;point. 545542;1393955370;mircea_popescu;holden got hit with a -40% 545543;1393955377;mircea_popescu;"us no longer needs justice dept" ? 545544;1393955421;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'useful' part of the latter is being merged into the 'ministry of love' (DHS) 545545;1393955433;asciilifeform;(that being the armed stormtroopers) 545546;1393955442;mircea_popescu;o gee! just like the soviets. 545547;1393955474;mircea_popescu;epa got slashed. who knew 545548;1393955482;asciilifeform;it lives on fines 545549;1393955484;mircea_popescu;i guess if you have no economy you can save on environmnetalism 545550;1393955503;mircea_popescu;uh, they don't get to make fines part of their own budget do they ? 545551;1393955554;asciilifeform;they do. 545552;1393955565;mircea_popescu;whop the fuck came up with that stupid idea. 545553;1393955570;asciilifeform;just like local police depts 545554;1393955576;mircea_popescu;jaysus. 545555;1393955608;asciilifeform;(many u.s. police depts are funded largely by asset seizure - without anyone needing to be convicted of a crime) 545556;1393955704;mircea_popescu;that i know 545557;1393955707;mircea_popescu;even wrote about it 545558;1393955713;jborkl;as I understand it just the State of Texas lew enforcment takes in a billion a year mainly on weed 545559;1393955721;mircea_popescu;to me it registers as the #1 item on the list of why the us can't be4 taken seriously as a civilised state. 545560;1393955750;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1222 @ 0.00461526 = 5.6398 BTC [-] {5} 545561;1393955872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61889947 BTC [+] 545562;1393955933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61889956 = 1.2378 BTC [+] {2} 545563;1393956299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07699997 = 0.539 BTC [+] {2} 545564;1393956363;deadweasel;civilization via wikipedia: Civilization or civilisation (in British English) generally refers to state polities which combine these basic institutions, having one or more of each: a ceremonial centre (a formal gathering place for social and cultural activities), a system of writing, and a city. 545565;1393956382;deadweasel;not a definition I would have expected. 545566;1393956413;deadweasel;so in the most useless sense, we are civlised. 545567;1393956422;deadweasel;now how do we actually define civilisation? 545568;1393956543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21640 @ 0.00082816 = 17.9214 BTC [-] {2} 545569;1393957214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699999 = 0.154 BTC [+] 545570;1393957215;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 457 @ 0.00052008 = 0.2377 BTC [+] 545571;1393957276;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61889968 BTC [+] 545572;1393957562;mircea_popescu;deadweasel civilisation is the totality of material productions of an identified primate group. 545573;1393957577;mircea_popescu;as contrasted with culture, which is the totality of ideal productions of an ~. 545574;1393957612;mircea_popescu;together culture and civilisation describe privileged wife, 545575;1393957619;mircea_popescu;as opposed to bare life (ie, cattle). 545576;1393957628;mircea_popescu;s/wife/life 545577;1393957650;nubbins`;check your privilege :D 545578;1393957654;nubbins`;ba-dum-tss 545579;1393957664;mircea_popescu;yeah. 545580;1393957674;mircea_popescu;quite typical for libertards to get stuck blaming the curb. 545581;1393957676;deadweasel;i prefer this definition. is somewhat more meaningful 545582;1393957703;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0896001 = 0.1792 BTC [-] 545583;1393957729;Mats_cd03;!ticker s.mpoe 545584;1393957729;assbot;It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry. 545585;1393957772;nubbins`;My name is Clark Moody, and this is my website. First of all, I love Jesus, and I want you to know him. He has changed my life forever, and His love has the power to change you. 545586;1393957858;benkay;is that kind of attitude an instant disqualifier for anyone elese? 545587;1393957860;nubbins`;¬_¬ 545588;1393957864;nubbins`;yes 545589;1393957866;benkay;!t m s.mpoe 545590;1393957866;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00082742 / 0.00084681 / 0.00086433 (1685008 shares, 1,426.89 BTC), 7D: 0.000745 / 0.00085725 / 0.00088723 (8472227 shares, 7,262.89 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087082 / 0.00093912 (29382299 shares, 25,586.83 BTC) 545591;1393957872;benkay;Mats_cd03: ^^ 545592;1393957881;nubbins`;i only finished reading the sentence because my peripheral vision picked it up 545593;1393957887;Mats_cd03;!t s.mpoe 545594;1393957887;assbot;The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire. 545595;1393957896;Mats_cd03;!t m s.mpoe 545596;1393957896;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00082742 / 0.00084681 / 0.00086433 (1685008 shares, 1,426.89 BTC), 7D: 0.000745 / 0.00085725 / 0.00088723 (8472227 shares, 7,262.89 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087082 / 0.00093912 (29382299 shares, 25,586.83 BTC) 545597;1393957899;Mats_cd03;wut 545598;1393957967;moiety;yes benkay, so much yes 545599;1393958007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 545600;1393958077;benkay;hullo moiety 545601;1393958112;benkay;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:158cca9962694cd90af05df37425fc2724c92c39cbcaa5b2965f8160 545602;1393958112;benkay; 545603;1393958113;gribble;You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7 545604;1393958125;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in a parking lot, http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6681rcJVh1qk6jqko1_500.jpg 545605;1393958129;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 189 @ 0.004615 = 0.8722 BTC [-] {3} 545606;1393958207;benkay;i'm uninterested unless they're yours, mircea_popescu 545607;1393958230;mircea_popescu;my whats 545608;1393958254;nubbins`;flaps 545609;1393958273;mircea_popescu;no homo ? 545610;1393958280;benkay;tits 545611;1393958288;nubbins`;it's all a spectrum man, don't fight it 545612;1393958301;benkay;tits in a parking lot are cool, don't get me wrong 545613;1393958303;asciilifeform;for newswank aficionados, mr. o update his post (http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/reichstag-fire-in-kiev.html) with summary of today's. 545614;1393958306;benkay;but i seen plenty of that nao 545615;1393958312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.0046 = 0.2392 BTC [-] {4} 545616;1393958319;benkay;mircea_popescu's tits, though, that's an entirely different story. 545617;1393958326;moiety;mircea_popescu: you have a knack for finding naked girls outside 545618;1393958346;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79qts6XbI1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg < sure :D 545619;1393958372;moiety;lol at least these ones get shoes 545620;1393958398;mircea_popescu;moiety some even get a purse. 545621;1393958416;BingoBoingo;artifexd: ATM I would not be selling ATC at the current market prices 545622;1393958446;moiety;lolol 545623;1393958453;mircea_popescu;"Also, something of a consensus among military experts has emerged: Ukraine's army can't fight." 545624;1393958454;mircea_popescu;derp. 545625;1393958460;moiety;BingoBoingo: there you are i tried to twitter at you 545626;1393958465;mircea_popescu;once a state makes the comitment of calling a general mobilisaiton and its ignored, 545627;1393958468;mircea_popescu;that state is finished. 545628;1393958475;asciilifeform;'they had a war and nobody came' 545629;1393958477;mircea_popescu;sort-of like calling a no confidence vote and not getting any yes. 545630;1393958484;mircea_popescu;exactly. 545631;1393958492;mircea_popescu;gotta advertise it on social media better next time. 545632;1393958495;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.0008303 = 25.2411 BTC [+] {2} 545633;1393958511;mircea_popescu;and incidentally : this is quite instructive for the attentive watcher. with the exception of china and some other asian majors, NOBODY is capable of war. 545634;1393958525;mircea_popescu;i don't give a shit that the us could deploy fifty or fifty thousand specially trained idiots. 545635;1393958529;BingoBoingo;moiety: Ah, cool link 545636;1393958538;mircea_popescu;if it comes to war and there's a general mobilisation, the us couldn't gather even ukraine's 1% 545637;1393958560;mircea_popescu;the entirety of the combatant populace would be "can they just rape us instead ? we'll fuck for peace" 545638;1393958604;asciilifeform;http://educate-yourself.org/cn/draftindex.shtml 545639;1393958605;ozbot;The Military Draft 545640;1393958619;asciilifeform;haha apparently i'm still good for cannonfodder 545641;1393958625;mircea_popescu;anyway. the us is in this position where it has to learn to play second fiddle/cocksucker to the actual powers that be 545642;1393958632;mircea_popescu;and get damned good at it and fucking love it. 545643;1393958651;mircea_popescu;ideally by last week. 545644;1393958654;asciilifeform;'... If you have a 'specialty' field such as... a degree in computer science... you could be 'drafted'..' 545645;1393958683;asciilifeform;(presumably, to install winblows on the platoon laptop, so grunts can play Quake.) 545646;1393958741;mircea_popescu;ya that'll do a lot of good. 545647;1393958755;mircea_popescu;fun fact : thai underage prostitutes also value those among them that can fix smartphones. 545648;1393958785;mircea_popescu;"Now I know better. The government is in the hands of satanic, globalist traitors who are following a script to destroy America and its people" 545649;1393958788;asciilifeform;in the east, people do indeed fix phones! 545650;1393958788;mircea_popescu;jesus all the anger. 545651;1393958812;asciilifeform;when i bought a digital hot air machine circa '07, it came with a whole sausage of power plugs for various phones of the period 545652;1393958814;asciilifeform;(chinese) 545653;1393958847;mircea_popescu;hot air machine = tv ? 545654;1393958857;deadweasel;nubbins, re: clark moody/jesusIsLord, yes, instant disqualifier 545655;1393958862;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04261333 = 0.1278 BTC [-] {3} 545656;1393958897;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope. http://sra-solder.com/shopimages/products/normal/aoyue768.jpg 545657;1393958919;mircea_popescu;o the actual thing 545658;1393958927;mircea_popescu;deadpanning my comedee 545659;1393958928;asciilifeform;right. literal hot air 545660;1393958950;asciilifeform;the most chinese possible. as in, bouncing ball for air pressure gauge. 545661;1393958994;asciilifeform;essential household tool 545662;1393959007;asciilifeform;even if you don't solder 545663;1393959018;asciilifeform;(e.g. melt hot glue without destroying the glued item) 545664;1393959044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26046 @ 0.00082709 = 21.5424 BTC [-] {2} 545665;1393959072;mircea_popescu;dry nail polish 545666;1393959107;asciilifeform;nah, vacuum works best for that one 545667;1393959166;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 195 @ 0.00459999 = 0.897 BTC [-] {2} 545668;1393959286;artifexd;BingoBoingo At would price would you sell? 545669;1393959308;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if the bitch is spherical. 545670;1393959324;asciilifeform;ah you meant on actual human nails. 545671;1393959395;*;mircea_popescu duly notes that asciilifeform takes his harpies well manicured. 545672;1393959556;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Maybe throw out some prices and I'll way yes when one is agreeable? 545673;1393959654;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61944984 = 1.2389 BTC [+] {2} 545674;1393959655;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00465 = 0.1628 BTC [+] 545675;1393959671;benkay;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499580 545676;1393959673;ozbot;BTC Stolen from Poloniex 545677;1393959698;asciilifeform;unrelated: did anyone ever answer the call to implement btc reference client compatible in verilog? 545678;1393959701;benkay;suspicious activity monitors: nontrivial to implement. 545679;1393959704;mircea_popescu;no. 545680;1393959715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79200 @ 0.00082516 = 65.3527 BTC [-] {2} 545681;1393959730;benkay;transactional database transactions: what the hell is that and why would anyone? 545682;1393959739;asciilifeform;(doesn't have to be verilog in particular - any circuit description system would do) 545683;1393959765;mircea_popescu;benkay here's a random thought : as long as you're not running on transactional hardware, your "transactional" db stack is exactly implementable in mysql. 545684;1393959776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 265 @ 0.00468773 = 1.2422 BTC [+] {2} 545685;1393959777;artifexd;A million ATC for 1 btc 545686;1393959795;mircea_popescu;artifexd it's been trading over 100 satoshi since it was invented. 545687;1393959801;mircea_popescu;i think 125ish was the cheapest it ever went 545688;1393959825;artifexd;I bought 10k this morning for 75 satoshi 545689;1393959834;mircea_popescu;wow. who from ? where ? 545690;1393959836;asciilifeform;(circuit-level implementation, done correctly, would leave no room for doubt as to the fate of every input bit, and the origin of every output) 545691;1393959855;artifexd;https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc 545692;1393959857;ozbot;X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin 545693;1393959858;mircea_popescu;pankkake you around btw ? 545694;1393959867;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo an' how about you ? 545695;1393959898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6265 BTC [+] 545696;1393960081;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00475 = 0.475 BTC [+] 545697;1393960177;asciilifeform;from the 'weirdest CAPTCHA' candidates: http://www.microchip.su/search.php 545698;1393960486;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm on x-bt as well. For an OTC trade I dunno if I can sell for less than 200 satoshis seeing how thin the asks are. 545699;1393960522;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo suppose i send you a btc so you can put a buywall at 100 in ? 545700;1393960538;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I could do that 545701;1393960559;mircea_popescu;pm me an addy then 545702;1393960612;moiety;asciilifeform: flippin' heck! @ the captcha 545703;1393960705;artifexd;The asks are thin. I'd be willing to do a million for 150 satoshi each. 545704;1393960800;ThickAsThieves;I can sell some for 750sat 545705;1393960837;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Let me auth and I can sell 75000 at 150 satoshis per 545706;1393960847;BingoBoingo;;;eauth BingoBoingo 545707;1393960848;gribble;Request successful for user BingoBoingo, hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/309BB8D7F3251143 545708;1393960860;artifexd;BingoBoingo deal 545709;1393960862;artifexd;;;ident 545710;1393960862;gribble;Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None 545711;1393960901;BingoBoingo;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:cc40ed3fbc8fef3a0949519122251b4db3bd6e36158af2dc2c7b9ab1 545712;1393960902;gribble;You are now authenticated for user BingoBoingo with key 309BB8D7F3251143 545713;1393960915;artifexd;pm addresses? 545714;1393960935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33740 @ 0.00082443 = 27.8163 BTC [-] {2} 545715;1393960935;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00475002 = 0.2898 BTC [-] {2} 545716;1393960938;BingoBoingo;K, I am still waiting on a confirm on my withdrawal from the exchange 545717;1393960974;mircea_popescu;how slow are atc blocks these days ? 545718;1393960996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 319 @ 0.00475 = 1.5153 BTC [-] 545719;1393961052;BingoBoingo;http://atc.blockr.io/ 545720;1393961104;mircea_popescu;o right right 545721;1393961313;BingoBoingo;Anyone mind pointing a Bitfury at ATC for a few minutes? 545722;1393961789;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00479997 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2} 545723;1393961850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6281 BTC [+] 545724;1393961861;BingoBoingo;;;tslb 545725;1393961867;gribble;Time since last block: 50 seconds 545726;1393962156;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 545727;1393962330;benkay`;http://betaboston.com/news/2014/03/04/aereo-online-tv-streaming-broadcasters-supreme-court-justice-department/ 545728;1393962331;ozbot;Feds now oppose Aereo, rejecting cloud apocalypse argument | BetaBoston 545729;1393962336;benkay`;want to do something clever? 545730;1393962339;benkay`;leave the fucking states. 545731;1393962399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00470001 = 0.2538 BTC [-] {2} 545732;1393962461;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 360 @ 0.0047 = 1.692 BTC [-] {2} 545733;1393962464;mircea_popescu;did they rule ? 545734;1393962512;artifexd;While BingoBoingo has my appreciation for selling ATC to me, my bid for 1,000,000 ATC at 150 satoshis remains open. Thanks BingoBoingo! 545735;1393962515;ThickAsThieves;not til April 545736;1393962554;mircea_popescu;artifexd why no put it on x-btc ? 545737;1393962575;artifexd;I put part of it on there. 545738;1393962582;mircea_popescu;aok 545739;1393962644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35126 @ 0.00082764 = 29.0717 BTC [+] {2} 545740;1393962808;mircea_popescu;that book getting some meat on it. 545741;1393962843;artifexd;eh. not really. 2 million is me. 545742;1393962901;mircea_popescu;a, the aero thing is yest news really. 545743;1393962927;mircea_popescu;artifexd that 500k and 1.5 mn? 545744;1393962934;artifexd;yeah 545745;1393963005;BingoBoingo;Yeah 545746;1393963007;artifexd;Wait. No. Only 500k of the 1.5 mn is me. 545747;1393963027;artifexd;So, I only have 1mn in bids up. 545748;1393963071;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.05107333 = 1.5322 BTC [-] {4} 545749;1393963132;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.051 = 0.204 BTC [-] {2} 545750;1393963193;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 35 @ 0.03636431 = 1.2728 BTC [-] {7} 545751;1393963239;KRS-One;.bait 545752;1393963241;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/d449b0f3da44baaedcce60296ee35ccd/tumblr_mwrxn19fNb1sls37no1_500.jpg 545753;1393963250;KRS-One;lol 545754;1393963252;KRS-One;https://twitter.com/FaceBitCoin/status/440916241554083840 545755;1393963253;ozbot;Twitter / FaceBitCoin: We got news for you, bub. If ... 545756;1393963254;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 84 @ 0.03187883 = 2.6778 BTC [-] {2} 545757;1393963255;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79qv7HI6O1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 545758;1393963269;KRS-One;haha hmm 545759;1393963282;KRS-One;that girl is thick but looks damn good 545760;1393963376;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.02511115 = 0.3767 BTC [-] {2} 545761;1393963437;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m79qs9b7JS1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 545762;1393963498;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.63140501 = 3.7884 BTC [+] {4} 545763;1393963547;ThickAsThieves;COG selloff 545764;1393963569;mircea_popescu;!t h cog 545765;1393963570;assbot;[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.02511115 / 0.0371273 / 0.05110001 (181 shares, 6.72004135 BTC), 7D: 0.02511115 / 0.04444576 / 0.08388999 (514 shares, 22.84512193 BTC), 30D: 0.02511115 / 0.06244861 / 0.11980000 (1662 shares, 103.78959078 BTC) 545766;1393963585;mircea_popescu;heh 545767;1393963620;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.02512 = 0.1256 BTC [+] {2} 545768;1393963807;nubbins`;getting a surprising amount of traction on casascius coins this past week 545769;1393963832;artifexd;nubbins` What's a series 1 with error running for nowadays? 545770;1393963862;nubbins`;all of the series 1s have errors ;) 545771;1393963877;nubbins`;if you mean a 1btc brass series 1, anywhere from 2.5btc to 5btc 545772;1393963886;artifexd;I do. Thank you. 545773;1393963913;nubbins`;fun fact, the 2011 1btc series-2 (non-error) are much harder to find 545774;1393963923;nubbins`;yet they command a lower premium 545775;1393963924;nubbins`;figure that out 545776;1393963932;mircea_popescu;so buy a bunch and save them a decade 545777;1393963947;nubbins`;the problem with saving them for a decade is that i don't think the btc premium will hold up 545778;1393963961;mircea_popescu;someone should make a site allowing the pedigree of coins to be traced 545779;1393963969;mircea_popescu;it'll prove invaluable down the road 545780;1393963989;nubbins`;i've got pgp-signed documents from casascius stating my fingerprint and the serials of the coins i bought from him 545781;1393963997;nubbins`;i've been offering to extend the chain of custody with every sale 545782;1393964002;ThickAsThieves;plus, doge will take over btc anyway right 545783;1393964004;nubbins`;i think one person has taken me up on it so far 545784;1393964007;nubbins`;tat, +1 545785;1393964029;asciilifeform;coin should be electronic. with small camera, dead-reckoning navigation gyro... antifuse ROM for log. 545786;1393964039;asciilifeform;there's your pedigree record... 545787;1393964042;nubbins`;coindano 545788;1393964122;nubbins`;in my experience, most people who collect casascius coins don't know shit about coin collecting in general 545789;1393964152;nubbins`;it's very, very common to see people determining resale value based on face value ("3x face" etc) 545790;1393964385;mircea_popescu;heh 545791;1393964399;mircea_popescu;take it the other way : the more you put into educating market, the sooner you'll have an educated market. 545792;1393964412;nubbins`;i've been trying, it's an uphill battle 545793;1393964415;mircea_popescu;your efforts explode exponentially, the fact you put in some sane structure today attracts wall street tomorrow 545794;1393964426;mircea_popescu;and of course a bunch of fuctards who imagine THEY had anything to do with it 545795;1393964440;mircea_popescu;but all that is plainly indifferent to you. there's no requirement the fucktards know who gaia is. 545796;1393964483;nubbins`;i honestly feel bad for the people paying 30btc for a 10btc piece because they saw an 0.5btc piece sell for 1.5 545797;1393964500;nubbins`;18btc pissed down the drain 545798;1393964508;mircea_popescu;i feel bad with people with micropenis. 545799;1393964514;nubbins`;do you?! 545800;1393964515;mircea_popescu;for people* 545801;1393964517;mircea_popescu;sure. 545802;1393964550;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426836.msg5239917#msg5239917 545803;1393964551;ozbot;[WTS] Casascius Series 1 1BTC, 5 BTC, 25 BTC 545804;1393964551;mircea_popescu;not like they had 20 inches and decided to piss 18 of them away ya know ? 545805;1393964556;nubbins`;^ re: face value and resale value 545806;1393964563;nubbins`;too true 545807;1393964606;mircea_popescu;such shitty photos 545808;1393964628;nubbins`;even the good photos are shitty. those things are almost impossible to photograph well 545809;1393964657;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 751 @ 0.0047 = 3.5297 BTC [-] {3} 545810;1393964682;mircea_popescu;because no tools. 545811;1393964693;mircea_popescu;(hint : spot lights don't work for coins) 545812;1393964696;nubbins`;nod. you need lighting 545813;1393964709;nubbins`;cell phone cameras are inadequare 545814;1393964715;nubbins`;inadequate, even 545815;1393964718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30631 @ 0.00082649 = 25.3162 BTC [-] {2} 545816;1393964718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00469999 = 0.3008 BTC [-] {2} 545817;1393964763;mircea_popescu;Even at today's exchange rates, that's a TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLAR premium. For a privately-minted round issued in 2013. 545818;1393964763;mircea_popescu;Go into a coin store and tell them about this, watch their jaw hit the floor. 545819;1393964764;mircea_popescu;word. 545820;1393964782;mircea_popescu;anyway : you need a flat panel difuse lighting thing. 545821;1393964795;mircea_popescu;there's special kits for taking pics of small shiny shit like coins 545822;1393964813;nubbins`;yeah 545823;1393964834;nubbins`;phone cameras usually have auto-focus as well, which really shits the bed photographing the holos 545824;1393964835;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498302.0 545825;1393964837;ozbot;Eternal Bitcoin Bonds by Usagi 545826;1393964841;mircea_popescu;this should be self-explainatory. 545827;1393964855;nubbins`;best casascius photos i ever took with a phone, and they're shit: http://imgur.com/a/BWHw5 545828;1393964881;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yeah, if you use a bed the advantage is that the focus is fixed 545829;1393964887;mircea_popescu;and you know VERY well exactly how far off the item is 545830;1393964901;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0762 = 0.1524 BTC [-] {2} 545831;1393964913;nubbins`;nod 545832;1393964939;nubbins`;fun fact, i sold that coin for 5.5btc 545833;1393964971;nubbins`;"In short, you have NOTHING to worry about." 545834;1393964975;nubbins`;i've heard that before 545835;1393965069;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/critical-crypto-bug-leaves-linux-hundreds-of-apps-open-to-eavesdropping/ 545836;1393965070;ozbot;Critical crypto bug leaves Linux, hundreds of apps open to eavesdropping | Ars Technica 545837;1393965118;asciilifeform;Don't Blame The Mice! 545838;1393965164;jcpham;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499965.msg5512103#msg5512103 545839;1393965165;ozbot;WTS: 2012 McLaren MP4-12C 3.8L 616HP Supercar 545840;1393965184;asciilifeform;also fun: 545841;1393965185;asciilifeform;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/journalist-nsa-wont-give-me-a-secure-channel-to-communicate-on/ 545842;1393965267;mircea_popescu;yeah. 545843;1393965277;asciilifeform;'It's significant that no one managed to notice such glaring errors, particularly since they were contained in code that anyone can review.' << ahahaha 545844;1393965346;nubbins`;"Hiring a lawyer to recoup < 50BTC is idiotic. Lack of practical legal recourse is what makes Bitcoin scamming so attractive." 545845;1393965346;nubbins`;i've heard THAT before, too. 545846;1393965347;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: i wish i had to use a glass to hear my neighbours 545847;1393965388;mircea_popescu;derp. 545848;1393965389;mircea_popescu;what, you mean https is in no way s ? 545849;1393965389;mircea_popescu;who would have thought this! 545850;1393965408;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "what, you mean just because people could expend highly specialised, intricate work that's usually highly paid for free it doesn't mean they also will?!?!?!" 545851;1393965423;asciilifeform;it would remain derp even if the code were written to spec, by a god. 545852;1393965430;asciilifeform;because PKI == chumpatron 545853;1393965435;mircea_popescu;gedankenexperiment : cleanning the streets in my town is open source 545854;1393965445;mircea_popescu;i could be out there scraping gum from the sidewalk at this very moment. 545855;1393965468;asciilifeform;fools will install the patched version, and 'ahhh i'm seekure now.' 545856;1393965572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.0905256 = 1.0863 BTC [+] {8} 545857;1393965633;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.09254285 = 0.6478 BTC [+] {4} 545858;1393965669;nubbins`;grumble, no closer to getting keyboard input working in eulora 545859;1393965689;nubbins`;i wish there was someone else trying this on osx so we could compare notes ;( 545860;1393965695;mircea_popescu;me2 545861;1393966091;nubbins`;[17:15:46] <ProphetDaniel> Hi there gentlemen 545862;1393966092;nubbins`;[17:15:53] <ProphetDaniel> I'm a newbie over here. 545863;1393966101;nubbins`;[17:16:35] <ProphetDaniel> And I would like to receive a positive 1 rating for learning the GPG/OTC for BTC 545864;1393966120;deadweasel;"i opened my box of animal crackers, what did I win? 545865;1393966132;nubbins`;"i learned how to do my job, where is my raise?" 545866;1393966165;deadweasel;i exist, therefore rate me a positive 1 545867;1393966182;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61357 = 1.8407 BTC [-] {2} 545868;1393966190;nubbins`;heh 545869;1393966199;nubbins`;;:rate deadweasel 1 he exists 545870;1393966243;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.60007504 = 2.4003 BTC [-] {3} 545871;1393966304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00574999 = 0.1437 BTC [+] 545872;1393966537;benkay`;http://www.meetup.com/Wantrepreneurs-Anonymous/?gj=ej1b&a=wg2_l1 545873;1393966544;benkay`;i get it 545874;1393966550;benkay`;everyone's retarded and incapable of doing things 545875;1393966556;benkay`;wanting ratings for using gpg 545876;1393966561;benkay`;thinking they're running companies 545877;1393966645;Mats_cd03;mircea_popescu: what do you think future revenues look like after the changes 545878;1393966670;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0896002 = 0.448 BTC [-] {3} 545879;1393966671;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00083069 = 24.2146 BTC [+] {2} 545880;1393966672;mircea_popescu;what are we talking about ? 545881;1393966678;Mats_cd03;@ s.mpoe 545882;1393966681;FabianB_;mircea_popescu: haven't read backlog yet, has s.bbet divident already been discussed? 545883;1393966696;mircea_popescu;FabianB_ report published, dividend paid, was there a problem ? 545884;1393966701;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 hard to say. 545885;1393966709;asciilifeform;s.bbet ?! 545886;1393966715;asciilifeform;ah 545887;1393966716;asciilifeform;nm 545888;1393966718;FabianB_;mircea_popescu: i have the feeling i got too much ;) 545889;1393966725;mircea_popescu;uhm 545890;1393966731;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0895 = 0.537 BTC [-] {2} 545891;1393966737;FabianB_;total div divided by 3 mil instead of 10 mil 545892;1393966753;jurov;how much did you get per share? 545893;1393966761;mircea_popescu;Mar 04 11:24:30 <assbot>[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 3.68215411 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 122 satoshi per share 545894;1393966765;mircea_popescu;ayup. 545895;1393966773;FabianB_;122 satoshi per 545896;1393966774;mircea_popescu;a well, thanks for pointing out >< 545897;1393966791;FabianB_;but i think it should be around 37 satoshi 545898;1393966810;mircea_popescu;will be charging 2.577507877 BTC against march profits. 545899;1393966823;benkay`;why does the div command even have a notional float?! 545900;1393966824;mircea_popescu;early dividends because the mp can't math. 545901;1393966824;ThickAsThieves;heh 545902;1393966834;mircea_popescu;benkay` mostly for this reason. 545903;1393966839;FabianB_;heh, the bbet usual :) 545904;1393966861;mircea_popescu;we are very serious about our accounting 545905;1393966868;ThickAsThieves;what if i sell my bbet? 545906;1393966870;mircea_popescu;we just don't use the same maths as the rest of you 545907;1393966876;ThickAsThieves;no debt to pay! 545908;1393966886;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves efficient market hypothesis! 545909;1393966891;benkay`;it just introduces an opportunity to screw things up. 545910;1393966892;FabianB_;well, shit happens 545911;1393966892;mircea_popescu;your shares have already been discounted 545912;1393966901;mircea_popescu;FabianB_ on a monthly basis 545913;1393966934;FabianB_;yeah, since next months div will be better anyway :) 545914;1393966976;ThickAsThieves;friggin scammars 545915;1393967011;ThickAsThieves;better bet yes on altcoin market cap bet to cover losses 545916;1393967021;FabianB_;i guess it's the only sane way to move it to next month 545917;1393967030;mircea_popescu;FabianB_ pretty much. 545918;1393967036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0047387 = 0.2369 BTC [+] 545919;1393967097;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+] 545920;1393967111;mircea_popescu;im just slightly distraught that there's no way i can blame this on kakobrekla 545921;1393967144;nubbins`;well, there is one way 545922;1393967148;nubbins`;unjustifiably ;D 545923;1393967156;mircea_popescu;benkay` but in seriousness : the float in the div command allows 3rd parties to verify the float. 545924;1393967184;mircea_popescu;as mpex won't let you pay for less than the records show, and you don't want to pay for more. 545925;1393967219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.04299986 = 0.344 BTC [+] {2} 545926;1393967233;FabianB_;most s.bbet shareholders are longterm anyway 545927;1393967256;benkay`;didn't you just pay to less than the nominal float? 545928;1393967256;mircea_popescu;!t m s.bbet 545929;1393967257;assbot;[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0005 / 0.00050531 / 0.000511 (810 shares, 0.41 BTC), 30D: 0.0005 / 0.000616 / 0.00077 (22069 shares, 13.59 BTC) 545930;1393967269;mircea_popescu;FabianB_ indeed lol. 545931;1393967273;mircea_popescu;benkay` no. to more. 545932;1393967280;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 37 @ 0.04389905 = 1.6243 BTC [+] {3} 545933;1393967296;mircea_popescu;basically i paid the entire profit to the 3mn shares outstanding 545934;1393967304;mircea_popescu;rather than pay 0.3xprofit to the 3mn shares outstanding 545935;1393967312;benkay`;ah yeah 545936;1393967319;benkay`;that thing where you have shares off the exchange 545937;1393967341;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.0439103 = 0.6147 BTC [+] 545938;1393967402;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04417857 = 0.3092 BTC [+] {3} 545939;1393967444;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5512802#msg5512802 545940;1393967445;ozbot;Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam. 545941;1393967453;mircea_popescu;teh gift that just keeps on givin' 545942;1393967592;BitcoinPropagand;Any btc millionaire here? 545943;1393967654;BitcoinPropagand;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=447133.60 545944;1393967655;ozbot;FREE BITCOIN PROPAGANDA - HELP NEEDED 545945;1393967815;ThickAsThieves;lol usagi 545946;1393967940;benkay`;these arts are really impressive 545947;1393967958;ThickAsThieves;kakobrekla 0: -0 / +1(1)2013-07-151140 btc CPA contract. 545948;1393967961;ThickAsThieves;wassat? 545949;1393967988;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves back in 2012 i think ? kako had an insurance deal on which usagi's cpa paid out 545950;1393968011;ThickAsThieves;word, the date threw me 545951;1393968027;mircea_popescu;yeah no way that was last august 545952;1393968034;mircea_popescu;it was way before your time 545953;1393968076;benkay`;BitcoinPropagand: austerity has neat type design, i just don't care about austerity at all. 545954;1393968081;benkay`;or working class gold at all. 545955;1393968100;benkay`;ufo for sale is moderately amusing 545956;1393968141;ThickAsThieves;‏@CharlieShrem 3h 545957;1393968141;ThickAsThieves;Tomorrow, 12CT/1ET I'll be giving a powerful speech via Skype adapted from @Falkvinge Stockholm, 2006 freedom demonstration. #TexasBitcoin 545958;1393968195;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00082643 = 37.7679 BTC [-] {2} 545959;1393968811;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/440930297153347584 545960;1393968812;ozbot;Twitter / BBCBreaking: Russia test-fires ... 545961;1393968866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32184 @ 0.00082992 = 26.7101 BTC [+] 545962;1393968876;benkay`;and more, BingoBoingo http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/world/europe/top-russians-face-sanctions-by-us-for-crimea-crisis.html?_r=0 545963;1393968892;benkay`;that'n's per-tic-u-ler-ly lulzy 545964;1393969293;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61000021 BTC [+] 545965;1393969451;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/774/feeder-cattle-jan-2015-over-250-at-any/ 545966;1393969451;ozbot;BitBet - Feeder Cattle Jan 2015 over $250 at any point in 2014 545967;1393969457;mircea_popescu;if anybody got any feeder cattle. 545968;1393969598;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [+] 545969;1393969616;moiety;the bitbet i have been waiting for! 545970;1393969685;pLambert;what is this, a bitbet not based on bitcoin? Absurd! 545971;1393969720;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.58261144 = 6.9913 BTC [-] {8} 545972;1393969723;moiety;how much do storage containers cost? 545973;1393969740;benkay`;TEU's run about 1.6KUSD over here, moiety. 545974;1393969750;mircea_popescu;yeah, coupla grand or so 545975;1393969756;benkay`;china ships 'em over and then doesn't want them back. 545976;1393969762;mircea_popescu;but you can't move gfs in containers. 545977;1393969768;moiety;ok i have a new grand plan! 545978;1393969771;BingoBoingo;WHy not? 545979;1393969781;moiety;yes you can mircea_popescu in fact, loads of them at once! 545980;1393969782;mircea_popescu;ps : for the people not doing agrifutures : gf is the code prefix for feeder cattle. 545981;1393969794;moiety;ohhh 545982;1393969798;moiety;lol 545983;1393969803;mircea_popescu;gfj4 is the current on the run (apr 2014) 545984;1393969805;ninjashogun;hi 545985;1393969814;ninjashogun;hi, mircea_popescu 545986;1393969817;mircea_popescu;ello 545987;1393969879;moiety;this week's grand plan: (this one is for accomodation) http://www.worthytoshare.com/house-super-cool-inside-outside-shocked-much 545988;1393969920;nubbins`;"a powerful speech via Skype" 545989;1393969921;nubbins`;lel 545990;1393969938;mircea_popescu;moiety yeah well, the poor of india live in containers since the 50s 545991;1393969939;nubbins`;"a serious document written in red crayon" 545992;1393969942;mircea_popescu;there are problem 545993;1393969954;mircea_popescu;nubbins` kids today. 545994;1393969959;pLambert;mircea_popescu: in your statements you keep saying "The P/E implied value per share is so far 0 BTC." What is that going to say when you do have earnings? Do you have a PE value you will calculate an estimated price from? 545995;1393969967;moiety;i bet they don't look like that mircea_popescu 545996;1393969995;mircea_popescu;pLambert well, avg price / earnings 545997;1393970010;mircea_popescu;moiety there are problems, such as due to lack of foundations. 545998;1393970017;mircea_popescu;poor thermic and fonic insulation 545999;1393970023;mircea_popescu;it's really not such a great solution. 546000;1393970032;pLambert;yeah, I know how to get PE, but what is a P/E implied value? 546001;1393970045;moiety;6 containers @ 2k each seemed fab idea.. ok i'll stay in my igloo 546002;1393970050;asciilifeform;shipping container works best when you bury in a concrete-lined pit. 546003;1393970076;mircea_popescu;pLambert the implied simply translates the fact that the earnigns and the price signals are averages and so... a guess. 546004;1393970103;mircea_popescu;moiety 1.5-2k is for an actually functional ones. 546005;1393970106;moiety;asciilifeform: couldn't you sort of paint the inside iof it with cement? 546006;1393970110;mircea_popescu;you can prolly buy scrap for the cost of metal. 546007;1393970123;asciilifeform;moiety: structural, rather than decorative 546008;1393970150;moiety;yes but to save having to bury it 546009;1393970171;asciilifeform;earth + planks is the frame for the pour. 546010;1393970174;asciilifeform;so, buried. 546011;1393970224;moiety;i just feel renting is such bad value 546012;1393970240;asciilifeform;moiety: you rent a shipping container? 546013;1393970250;mircea_popescu;no, she curently rents a tea cozy 546014;1393970255;mircea_popescu;but plans to move up in the world 546015;1393970261;moiety;you qould buy it if you were to live in it though right 546016;1393970334;asciilifeform;where i live, it is forbidden to live in anything that is not a house, except in specially-designated leper colonies. 546017;1393970357;moiety;mircea_popescu: exactly! discovering containers aren't really 'up' though now XD 546018;1393970380;moiety;asciilifeform: there was a couple here built an amazing house and they had to tear it down becauseit didn't qualify 546019;1393970380;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 546020;1393970409;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so move to missouri. you can live in a beer can tower there 546021;1393970418;moiety;http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/couple-lose-fight-save-hobbit-5395091 546022;1393970419;asciilifeform;see note re: leper colonies 546023;1393970419;ozbot;Couple lose fight to save 'hobbit house' eco-home from demolition - Wales Online 546024;1393970441;moiety;wonderful inside 546025;1393970565;mircea_popescu;The appeal by Megan Williams was dismissed because the 'benefits of the development did not outweigh the harm to the character and appearance of the countryside'. 546026;1393970569;mircea_popescu;what srsly ? 546027;1393970570;dub;was thinking about putting something like this behind my place as a bar/bbq kitchen 546028;1393970577;dub;https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRV4WbCQOCa8ZDbgw85e5GZ6MEMF-yrlMXto3-tzrFip8ytMsx8 546029;1393970587;mircea_popescu;who the fuck asked anybody,. it's their fucking land. 546030;1393970619;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you have allodial titles where you live? 546031;1393970630;mircea_popescu;in this sense, yes we do. 546032;1393970640;mircea_popescu;you can build whatever the fuck you please as long as you own the land. 546033;1393970647;asciilifeform;in anglo world, land isn't really owned, just borrowed from the crown - like in ussr. 546034;1393970668;mircea_popescu;;;google turn eiffel slobozia 546035;1393970669;gribble;The Eiffel Tower Replica In Slobozia, Romania Is Especially Awesome: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/01/the-eiffel-tower-replica-_n_4337941.html>; Slobozia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobozia>; List of Eiffel Tower replicas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Eiffel_Tower_replicas> 546036;1393970684;mircea_popescu;yes, but in the roman empire land is actually owned. 546037;1393970702;dub;http://1.design-milk.com/images/2013/05/roundup-container-homes-1-600x247.jpg badass 546038;1393970719;asciilifeform;colleague of mine had to search for ages when buying a house where one was permitted to... plant an orchard. 546039;1393970727;mircea_popescu;ridiculous 546040;1393970751;mircea_popescu;romanian friends went to us, bought land, proceeded to build (proper) house 546041;1393970756;dub;I could keep hens here but not a rooster 546042;1393970758;mircea_popescu;which means, concrete foundation, brick walls 546043;1393970775;dub;and pen must be 1m from boundary 546044;1393970783;mircea_popescu;ended up with a fucking bitter legal fight and eventually left the place with the idea that the us is a pre-modern shithole 546045;1393970816;asciilifeform;let me guess. couldn't get a government-approved architect to sign off on it 546046;1393970837;mircea_popescu;no, you were not allowed to build houses that solid. 546047;1393970842;mircea_popescu;gotta use vinyl siding crap 546048;1393970845;asciilifeform;haha 546049;1393970877;mircea_popescu;yeah it was like "i'm shooting this pencilneck" "dude what the fuck do you care about some random us pencilneck. go to peru, build there." 546050;1393970883;ninjashogun;is anyone here interested in loans? (I'm trying to raisie one as part of bootstrapping my hardware startup) 546051;1393970916;mircea_popescu;at this rate we'll probably end up with a "no soliciting" rule. 546052;1393970921;dub;let me in on dat 546053;1393970928;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun you think something magically changed since last week or w/e ? 546054;1393970965;ninjashogun;last week or w/e I also connected with people. Didn't find the right match. Different people could be in here now. 546055;1393970970;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 546056;1393970989;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: perhaps you have mistaken the address. loan lives at bank. 546057;1393970999;ninjashogun;likewise, the person that I basically actually have done all the legwork with, shared many forms of contact, etc, and agreed on basic terms - I also met online (different channel.) 546058;1393971003;mircea_popescu;you misunderstand how things work to an amusing degree. 546059;1393971014;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 668.3, vol: 30442.54097456 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 651.595, vol: 30763.62731 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 667.0701, vol: 26145.50544682 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 670.5, vol: 142.61612675 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 659.1772, vol: 16014.00300000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 672.66, vol: 26.09531654 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 671.9838, vol: 141.26041759 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 546060;1393971032;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I don't think a bank loan can be used to finance what I'm doing. If it could there would be no need for angels in the world. 546061;1393971049;mircea_popescu;nothing can be used to finance what you're doing you fuckwit you. 546062;1393971049;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: bank loan can finance a dope habit 546063;1393971058;asciilifeform;you just have to... pay it back 546064;1393971082;asciilifeform;is the intended implication that... you don't intend to? 546065;1393971085;mircea_popescu;this nonsense whereby you secrete your own fictious world where you're not an idiot in spite of actually being an idiot is unfinanceable. 546066;1393971123;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, well, considering that the startup has already been financed to an extent, your statement is false. Something can't be unfinanceable if it has been financed. 546067;1393971131;mircea_popescu;jesus god. 546068;1393971132;asciilifeform;if financed, then why ask? 546069;1393971133;pLambert;mircea_popescu: do we need another trilema post about how things are supposed to work? 546070;1393971149;mircea_popescu;pLambert no, because kids know better than to read anything anyway 546071;1393971150;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, because that was over a year ago, and that was to the company. 546072;1393971163;asciilifeform;and new one is to be to... ? 546073;1393971170;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I would like to bootstrap a bit farther and need to make further milestones that have a nontrivial cost for me. 546074;1393971186;mircea_popescu;personally i blame the school system. this new idea whereby instead of beating them every time they fail to consult the dictionary upon encountering an unknown world they're encouraged to guess "based on context" what "it might mean" 546075;1393971192;mircea_popescu;it's been the ruin of an entire generation. 546076;1393971200;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: what are you building, that you need a loan? airplane? particle accelerator? 546077;1393971207;ninjashogun;to myself, as a personal loan. I would like to do it this way because the company has become much more valuable, has assigned IP assets, etc. It doesn't make sense to raise a small amount of company by the company. 546078;1393971216;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun you are nobody. what personal ? 546079;1393971222;mircea_popescu;does your brain work at all ? 546080;1393971230;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, I'd ask you to tone it down a bit. 546081;1393971231;mircea_popescu;but i mean, at all. to an absolute modicum of minimal function. 546082;1393971235;mircea_popescu;fuck you 546083;1393971237;asciilifeform;i'm genuinely curious what this fellow intends to do with the money 546084;1393971238;mircea_popescu;you don't ask anything. 546085;1393971247;BingoBoingo;;;ident ninjashogun 546086;1393971248;gribble;Nick 'ninjashogun', with hostmask 'ninjashogun!~User@212.96.61.236', is not identified. 546087;1393971267;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no, because the hip thing to do is to come here each week and not wot, and then ask mp to tone it down a bit 546088;1393971274;asciilifeform;if the answer is 'pay for groceries' he has the wrong address 546089;1393971279;mircea_popescu;god forbid anyone ever tells you when you're an idiot. 546090;1393971279;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, yes, like your examples of airplane and particle acccelerator, it is physical hardware. Obviously a plane on a new design would cost millions in R&D, however we just have proprietary educational hardware and have very modest needs (under about $17K) 546091;1393971282;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I see. 546092;1393971299;ninjashogun;which is why I wuold not raise external money for it - it is a small amount I would use as a bridge loan. But your thinking is correct, asciilifeform 546093;1393971302;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: please consider saying what it is. 546094;1393971316;asciilifeform;if you want to have a sporting chance of interesting someone 546095;1393971318;mircea_popescu;anyway, taking ideas on how exactly one manages to help the dunning-kruger crowd of entrepreneurs. 546096;1393971318;jborkl;you would be better off going to the lending subsection on bitcointalk 546097;1393971330;jborkl;that is where those type of loans reside 546098;1393971395;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: for instance, if you were to reveal what the hardware is, i might take pity and tell you how to obtain an equivalent for 17 instead of 17k usd. 546099;1393971464;nubbins`;ninjashogun if you ident i can provide you with any size loan you need 546100;1393971471;pLambert;I don't understand, why would you take a personal loan to finance your business instead of having your business get the loan it needs? 546101;1393971476;mircea_popescu;"Feb 25 08:13:06 <ninjashogun>guys I've received some suggestions to "lurk" and "read logs" here, which I wouldn't really have time to do. It was nice meeting you all though and I may be back as the project progresses. Overall I don't think I will be spending a ton of time building WoT, advisors, etc - as I have real-world references for the moment that I would expect anyone to consutl." 546102;1393971480;mircea_popescu;that's where we're at. 546103;1393971493;mircea_popescu;you have to be incredibly fucking retarded to go "hey guise, i don't give a shit about you bye" 546104;1393971504;mircea_popescu;then copme back a week later going "hey guise pls charity ???" 546105;1393971518;mircea_popescu;you've chosen your road, you're too good to do what you're supposed to do, go do it somewhere else. 546106;1393971526;pLambert;oh, wait, these things are recorded? 546107;1393971531;nubbins`;heh 546108;1393971532;mircea_popescu;of course they're recorded. 546109;1393971533;nubbins`;every word 546110;1393971557;mircea_popescu;pLambert we've not even come to the part where he's taking a BTC denominated loan. 546111;1393971590;pLambert;getting a BTC loan is easy ... paying it back is the hard part! 546112;1393971597;BingoBoingo;Want to borrow, 5-10 BTC for gambling. Three month term, will return principle + 10% or list of losing bets << Is this questionable and scammy enough, I also ams not auth'd 546113;1393971604;mircea_popescu;and to top it all off, i actually took the time to point out to him the previous beggar that ended up here drug in by the openbsd story 546114;1393971621;mircea_popescu;at least that guy had a decent whine about noisy laptops and naked wives in eastern russia 546115;1393971660;BingoBoingo;Unfortunately he didn't anticipate mircea_popescu's preference whereby wives be naked 546116;1393971661;nubbins`;"or list of losing bets" 546117;1393971662;nubbins`;i like it 546118;1393971699;mircea_popescu;i wonder what roger ver pays for a list of losing bets 546119;1393971708;BingoBoingo;That's a good question 546120;1393971734;BingoBoingo;The problem with that loan structure known is it is easy to compile hypothetical losing bets after the fact 546121;1393971749;mircea_popescu;that's ok, roger ver buys everything 546122;1393971753;mircea_popescu;he's rich, bich. 546123;1393971776;mod6;heh 546124;1393971823;BingoBoingo;If only Betbet allowed bets open longer than a Year, "Roger Ver to fall under 1 BTC in holding by 2020" 546125;1393971857;mircea_popescu;how would you ever verify it ? 546126;1393971876;BingoBoingo;Also a good question. 546127;1393971983;BingoBoingo;Maybe Usagi's Eternal bond can buy into the gambling loan from hell. 546128;1393971999;mircea_popescu;only if you talk nice to him 546129;1393972010;mircea_popescu;actually... he's probably in desperate need of a friend. 546130;1393972020;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/canada-post-says-sorry-for-homophobic-flyer-delivery-1.2559680 546131;1393972020;ozbot;Canada Post says sorry for homophobic-flyer delivery - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News 546132;1393972024;BingoBoingo;I've probably talked mean to him in the past 546133;1393972049;nubbins`;interesting that they chose that for a headline, rather than "Canada Post now vetting and censoring addressed admail" 546134;1393972060;nubbins`;guess this means the price of stamps is going up 546135;1393972115;mircea_popescu;nubbins` ideally they stop delivering admail altogether. 546136;1393972119;mircea_popescu;that'd be a splendid measure. 546137;1393972126;nubbins`;would be even nicer 546138;1393972139;nubbins`;i'd be able to take the "no flyers please" sign off my mailbox 546139;1393972152;nubbins`;too much money in it tho 546140;1393972197;nubbins`;40-50 cents per piece 546141;1393972213;mircea_popescu;perhaps i'm being silly, but i suspect there's actually a hidden barb in there. ie, superficially it seems there's too much money to give in, 546142;1393972224;mircea_popescu;but if you gave it up suddenly the post office wouldn't be floundering anymore. 546143;1393972259;mircea_popescu;consider the situation of prostitutes. while fucking random men for money is in fact more income than your average married woman makes on a day by day basis, cash in hand basis 546144;1393972276;mircea_popescu;nevertheless the net worth, average expenditure etc of married women exceeds that of prostitutes. 546145;1393972294;mircea_popescu;maybe if the post office quit being a whore it'd actually not go bankrupt every 15 years. 546146;1393972316;nubbins`;they're trying to phase out home delivery now, and move everyone to neighbourhood "supermailboxes" 546147;1393972324;nubbins`;the elderly and infirm be damned! 546148;1393972334;mircea_popescu;so you have to go queue for your flyers ? 546149;1393972381;nubbins`;http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/FF/CCB86F359BC0386F7CABB6137B4B.jpg 546150;1393972392;nubbins`;not enough of them in one spot for a queue to be necessary 546151;1393972412;nubbins`;(do you think flyers still get delivered to that particular box?) 546152;1393972431;mircea_popescu;heh 546153;1393972458;ninjashogun;sorry, nubbins`, just read the backlog now. I was chatting with a couple of people sorry. 546154;1393972480;nubbins`;ninjashogun: don't worry about it, i was kidding anyway. go fuck yourself 546155;1393972481;ninjashogun;I don't need 'any size loan' and we could look at the budget breakdown together as well - I would expect it to be based on real world identities and paperwork, not IRC. 546156;1393972581;BingoBoingo;Those seem to default more frequently than properly structured IRC loans though. 546157;1393972598;mircea_popescu;ok, which one of you trolls is impersonating satan over here ? 546158;1393972614;nubbins`;ninjashogun: consider that you might as well be walking into banks asking for a loan and providing your WoT identity 546159;1393972624;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/9Ef7F07z 546160;1393972624;ozbot;spamatron - Pastebin.com 546161;1393972646;nubbins`;lel 546162;1393972649;nubbins`;brb shepher's pie :D 546163;1393972677;ninjashogun;nubbins` Okay I'll bite. For people with real-world assets and paperwork, what on Earth benefit does ANYONE here get out of a robust WoT system existing? 546164;1393972696;mircea_popescu;you ever heard of this thing called bitcoin ? 546165;1393972700;ninjashogun;nubbins`, why is it a benefit for you that that even exists? (For cases where there is a real world identity behind both sides) 546166;1393972715;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: Well just this afternoon someone supposed a deal, I took and and the thing was resolved in minutes. 546167;1393972746;ninjashogun;yeah mircea_popescu, I just heard of an exchange that might have just walked off with millions in deposits, because rather than rely on real world contracts to protect creditors (people who deposit) it just built an online trust model. 546168;1393972766;mircea_popescu;you misheard. 546169;1393972811;BingoBoingo;The used real world contracts to defraud, when they should have implemented a strong trust model 546170;1393972821;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo - if you trusted a stranger based on a WoT score and resolved a deal in a few minutes, you're very likely going to be scammed one day. It takes far longer than a few minutes to verify someone's identity that you've never met. 546171;1393972842;nubbins`;you're nothing if not tenacious 546172;1393972858;nubbins`;i'm not sure how best to express that nobody in this channel will ever, ever give you what you're looking for 546173;1393972867;nubbins`;almost every regular has tried 546174;1393972881;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: People don't have a "WoT score" they have personalize networks. The score is the least relevant part of a WoT 546175;1393972883;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo - trust models can't be programmatic, or they will be games. For example someone will set up $10K just to spend on interest as they do hundreds of transactions with trusted members over a year - the only goal being to be given a $200K transaction that they then walk off with. You can't build trust programmatically. 546176;1393972900;mircea_popescu;actually, a better expression : over a short week, youv'e gone from some random scum nobody'd consider seriously to someone that everyone would make a point out of never doing any sort of business with. sort of from 0 to -100 546177;1393972916;mircea_popescu;i guess itmust be a talent. 546178;1393972929;asciilifeform;it is so very easy to build... distrust programmatically. 546179;1393972939;mircea_popescu;incredibly, but true. this can actually be done. 546180;1393973008;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, well, this does not match my impression of conversations off of this channel. You seem to be the only one with a very strong view. I would humbly submit that it is due to your strong interest in one particular financial model. Of course if you start swearing at me people will dislike me. 546181;1393973046;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, I've had private conversations that were just fine. It's true that you disagree with my approach and have clout here, you certainly set the tone in here, that's your right. 546182;1393973080;asciilifeform;actually i don't think anyone here is particularly fond of spammers and charlatans 546183;1393973088;mircea_popescu;that's a convenient misrepresentation. 546184;1393973104;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure everyone here'd manage to feed his children with or without me. 546185;1393973176;mircea_popescu;darn, beat to it again. 546186;1393973184;mircea_popescu;i really have to learn to type with both hands 546187;1393973258;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09299796 = 0.279 BTC [+] 546188;1393973261;thestringpuller;lol a lot Diablo 2 players with they could type with one hand 546189;1393973624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+] 546190;1393973780;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller what are you up to these days anyway ? 546191;1393973928;asciilifeform;color me clueless, but i'm curious: who wrote eulora ? 546192;1393973980;mircea_popescu;it's a huge pile of software upon which chetty sits 546193;1393974015;asciilifeform;yes, i saw the bit about the uncooperative graphics libs, etc. but who wrote the remainder? 546194;1393974022;asciilifeform;chetty ? 546195;1393974046;mircea_popescu;nah, there's cal3d, which is a gfx library mostly. open source. 546196;1393974060;asciilifeform;remainder being the actual logic of the game 546197;1393974068;mircea_popescu;then there's crystal space, which is a collection of tools including networking and tons of other stuff 546198;1393974068;asciilifeform;there is one author, chetty? 546199;1393974081;mircea_popescu;only one credited so far. 546200;1393974086;asciilifeform;aha ok 546201;1393974129;mircea_popescu;why, you wanna dig into some C spaghetti ? 546202;1393974136;asciilifeform;just wondering which other people here commit the sin of programming. 546203;1393974167;mircea_popescu;i would say it's a safe bet that everyone but me 546204;1393974168;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: digging gratuitous C spaghetti as we speak. 546205;1393974173;mircea_popescu;and maybe nubbins. he draws. 546206;1393974203;mircea_popescu;and i guess moiety. she... hm. hey moiety do you code ? 546207;1393974234;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8546 @ 0.00018001 = 1.5384 BTC [-] {3} 546208;1393974294;wao-ender;dicktricks.blogspot.com 546209;1393974353;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, I've read more of your blogs. I'm curious about one thing. Do you have any investor relationships? (On your financial or exchange site, or whatever it is.) Meaning, do you have external investors of any kind? 546210;1393974356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 211 @ 0.00567497 = 1.1974 BTC [-] {2} 546211;1393974363;mircea_popescu;yes. 546212;1393974399;mircea_popescu;;;google s.mpoe takes strategic investor 546213;1393974400;gribble;MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/mpex/>; Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/>; Iunie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/06> 546214;1393974417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00464563 = 1.626 BTC [-] {14} 546215;1393974418;mircea_popescu;hm what was it called 546216;1393974442;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/smpoe-takes-strategic-investor/ there 546217;1393974444;ozbot;S.MPOE takes strategic investor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 546218;1393974448;mircea_popescu;shame on you google. 546219;1393974479;mircea_popescu;wao-ender what the hell is that 546220;1393974526;wao-ender;manual! 546221;1393974539;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, your style is 100% different from anything I've seen in my (albeit limited) interaction with business or investors. Your post quotes yourself, saying that you would not announce something publically. You post your own IRC conversation that you intend not to be public :) 546222;1393974557;mircea_popescu;yes, it is. 546223;1393974579;ninjashogun;publicly* 546224;1393974582;mircea_popescu;time is the essence there. everything becomes public eventually. 546225;1393974593;moiety;mircea_popescu: badly, i'm learning 546226;1393974605;mircea_popescu;moiety what are you learning ? php ? 546227;1393974652;ninjashogun;is that a 38,625 BTC transaction investing in s.mpoe? 546228;1393974657;ninjashogun;sorry I don't know how to read "assbot" 546229;1393974661;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07550013 = 0.2265 BTC [-] 546230;1393974672;mircea_popescu;yes. 546231;1393974728;mircea_popescu;http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-1-10-americans-html-std-study-finds-20140304,0,1188415.story 546232;1393974728;ozbot;1 in 10 Americans think HTML is an STD, study finds - latimes.com 546233;1393974735;mircea_popescu;i wonder what css is then 546234;1393974739;ninjashogun;well, congratulations 546235;1393974777;moiety;mircea_popescu: javascript, html/css (obv) and i will go into php. i'm scared of the contents page of the python book 546236;1393974788;asciilifeform;XX% click random box when answering survey. news at 11... 546237;1393974802;mircea_popescu;moiety maybe you're not the sort that learns by books, but work better with examples. 546238;1393974812;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's exactly 10%, which is why i quoted it. 546239;1393974828;mircea_popescu;"10% of respondents will lie in any study" is the adage of social sciences. 546240;1393974833;asciilifeform;well, YY% deliberately pick the most perverse answer 546241;1393974851;mircea_popescu;the fact that the author eschewed the 10% notation (which is like a symbol by now) for 1 in 10 is kind-of telling 546242;1393974856;mircea_popescu;they know they got nothing 546243;1393974858;asciilifeform;haha 546244;1393974887;moiety;mircea_popescu: i think you're right, goes in better to see things working rather than a mass of info for me :) 546245;1393974903;ninjashogun;moiety, what are you building? 546246;1393974911;mircea_popescu;so then work it that way. build an exchange 546247;1393974915;moiety;my kingdom! 546248;1393974945;moiety;erm just sites just now ninjashogun i think i'll know what to do more, the more i learn XD 546249;1393974960;asciilifeform;moiety: example - the blockchain-operated www-less exchange discussed last week (?) 546250;1393974984;asciilifeform;good project for beginner 546251;1393974997;asciilifeform;(guaranteed not to behave perversely 'under load', no web crap) 546252;1393975020;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so what does she do, import blockchain ? 546253;1393975038;ninjashogun;Chapter 1) <h1>Hello</h2> Chapter 2) p {color:black;text-align:center;} Chapter 3) alert("I am an alert box!"); Chapter 4) Putting it all together: Opening your own online exchange 546254;1393975070;asciilifeform;use conventional bitcoind (and litecoind, or whatever the other side of the trades is) 546255;1393975096;mircea_popescu;moiety you ever managed to compile bitcoin or any altcoin from source ? 546256;1393975110;moiety;no i haven't attempted it 546257;1393975111;asciilifeform;and spew forth 'listtransactions ....' and 'sendrawtransaction ....' etc 546258;1393975125;asciilifeform;no need for special programming language support. 546259;1393975141;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your project may be outside of what she conveniently approaches. 546260;1393975180;asciilifeform;easier project, for complete beginner, then 546261;1393975189;asciilifeform;translate http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/GD.BAS to modern programming language of your choice 546262;1393975215;mircea_popescu;you are possibly the worst pedagogue i have ever seen. 546263;1393975223;asciilifeform;hah 546264;1393975233;asciilifeform;what would you suggest - 'hello world' ? 546265;1393975234;mircea_popescu;who the fuck ever saw basic look so close to lisp anyway 546266;1393975239;asciilifeform;problems have to be interesting 546267;1393975250;asciilifeform;or student goes somewhere far away 546268;1393975273;moiety;i'll try this! 546269;1393975275;mircea_popescu;well this is true 546270;1393975301;mircea_popescu;moiety it can possibly be done in javascript i suppose 546271;1393975307;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, wtf - did you write that basic code? 546272;1393975314;asciilifeform;nope. 546273;1393975321;asciilifeform;it is far older than i. 546274;1393975342;asciilifeform;and was originally fortran. 546275;1393975344;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a wait, this is the source for the markov chain predictor innit 546276;1393975353;asciilifeform;righto 546277;1393975360;ninjashogun;okay, I'll bite. What does sp and sk and k1 stand for? I'll assume p1 and p2 are two...points... 546278;1393975366;mircea_popescu;didn't mike_c translate it to js just to pester me ? 546279;1393975383;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, good guess! Congrats. 546280;1393975396;asciilifeform;the version on my page (http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html) is js 546281;1393975408;asciilifeform;a very hasty js 546282;1393975415;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, yeah I was just thinking how close that basic looks to Perl. Leaevs you with the same impression :) 546283;1393975439;mircea_popescu;probably cause it's written by perlispers stuck in a basic body 546284;1393975488;asciilifeform;don't let the capital letters fool you - there is nothing peculiar about the basic 546285;1393975495;moiety;you just gave me the answer! 546286;1393975510;Namworld;I need to borrow auroracoins 546287;1393975516;ninjashogun;don't peek, moiety :) 546288;1393975517;mircea_popescu;Namworld i don't have any 546289;1393975523;asciilifeform;from the lulzfarm: http://cryptome.org/2014/03/ukraine-national-socialism.htm 546290;1393975527;Namworld;So freakishly bad 546291;1393975530;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/dead-soldier-gets-1-cent-cheque-from-federal-government-1.2559809 546292;1393975531;ozbot;Dead soldier gets 1-cent cheque from federal government - Latest Hamilton news - CBC Hamilton 546293;1393975532;mircea_popescu;for ich bin nicht ein islandeer 546294;1393975532;nubbins`;BRUTAL 546295;1393975616;ninjashogun;no life is worthless :/ 546296;1393975649;nubbins`;also brutal that some scumbag politicians used it as an excuse to blast the government in the house of commons 546297;1393975653;nubbins`;but seriously, imagine 546298;1393975667;nubbins`;two and a half years after your son kills himself, the government sends him a cheque for a fuckin penny 546299;1393975714;mircea_popescu;i imagine the costs of "making sure this never happens again" will be happily borne by everyone then 546300;1393975748;ninjashogun;I extend the apologies of everyone in the government to his mother. And we thank this individual for the service that he gave his country, he said, "and are saddened by this grave error. The check was never meant to go out. Mrs. Stark, please accept our sincerest apologies - and by all means, keep the penny." 546301;1393975784;mircea_popescu;lmao they said that ?! 546302;1393975798;nubbins`;no ;( 546303;1393975802;moiety;omg insult to injury or what 546304;1393975821;nubbins`;they don't even make pennies anymore. if you cashed that at a bank, you wouldn't get anything. 546305;1393975823;mircea_popescu;what if they had sent him 2cent cheque ? 546306;1393975825;Namworld;the last part wasn't said. 546307;1393975834;mircea_popescu;hey, here's our 2c 546308;1393975839;moiety;reminds me of http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10000332/Daughter-takes-fathers-ashes-to-bank-to-prove-he-is-dead.html 546309;1393975847;nubbins`;if it was 3 they'd round it to 5 546310;1393975895;mircea_popescu;i threatened my bank's clerk with having her write me one penny cashier checques for a few hundred lei coupla weeks back 546311;1393975896;Namworld;No, it only becomes acceptable at 5.50$ or higher. 546312;1393975897;mircea_popescu;she went pale 546313;1393975901;Namworld;Obviously 546314;1393976064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24470 @ 0.00082596 = 20.2112 BTC [-] 546315;1393976226;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/10/the_story_of_narcissus.html 546316;1393976227;ozbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Second Story Of Echo And Narcissus 546317;1393976238;mircea_popescu;this guy's too good, for srs. 546318;1393976247;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42850 @ 0.00082711 = 35.4417 BTC [+] 546319;1393976264;moiety;oh i love this blog. i was on there for ages other day after you linked it mircea_popescu 546320;1393976296;mircea_popescu;very smart guy. 546321;1393976326;mircea_popescu;he should have his own school. 546322;1393976352;moiety;honesty and reality amongst psychiatrists in this manner is rare, love the way he talks 546323;1393976378;moiety;felt like forwarding several things to doctors from my last hospital 546324;1393976395;moiety;(where i worked btw!!!!) 546325;1393976436;mircea_popescu;actually he should probably have his own country. 546326;1393976449;mircea_popescu;putin is ok, but what if ballas was dictator-general of latvia or something 546327;1393976534;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: his subjects will read the tales, and, having understood well, will seppuku from remorse (in a hidden place, so as to perform the act non-narcissistically.) 546328;1393976552;mircea_popescu;i dunno 546329;1393976574;mircea_popescu;i read them and feel roughly on par with a good session of reading the torah 546330;1393976592;mircea_popescu;tho arguably less demanding. 546331;1393976641;asciilifeform;to my shame i admit that the part with echo and narcissus reminded me of the fellow who had Eliza and Ractor talk to each other. 546332;1393976654;mircea_popescu;lol 546333;1393976655;asciilifeform;s/ractor/parry 546334;1393976660;mircea_popescu;who won ? 546335;1393976668;asciilifeform;http://www.computableminds.com/post/chatbot/eliza/parry/skynet/human-language/natural-language 546336;1393976669;ozbot;Eliza and Parry: When the machines talked to each other 546337;1393976670;asciilifeform;there we go 546338;1393976679;mircea_popescu;afa\ik it was actually ractor 546339;1393976697;mircea_popescu;wasn't it the schizzo ? 546340;1393976699;asciilifeform;parry 546341;1393976708;asciilifeform;(robo-schizzo) 546342;1393976721;asciilifeform;eliza (for the uninitiated - robo-shrink) 546343;1393976733;mircea_popescu;it was ractor tho 546344;1393976785;mircea_popescu;hm 546345;1393976793;mircea_popescu;wtf was ractor! 546346;1393976798;asciilifeform;PARRY: I went to the races. 546347;1393976798;asciilifeform;ELIZA: Please go on. 546348;1393976798;asciilifeform;PARRY: Do you know anything about bookies? 546349;1393976798;asciilifeform;ELIZA: What makes you think I know anything about bookies? 546350;1393976799;asciilifeform;PARRY: A bookie didn't pay me off once. 546351;1393976801;asciilifeform;ELIZA: What does that suggest to you? 546352;1393976803;asciilifeform;PARRY: I beat up the bookie who did not pay off, and I thought he might use his friends in the underworld to get even with me 546353;1393976807;moiety;mircea_popescu: he doesn't need a country, he needs to advise the world: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/01/everyone_goes_crazy_in_differe.html 546354;1393976811;asciilifeform;if i recall, ractor was meant to write stories 546355;1393976899;mircea_popescu;anyway, you're right, it was parry that was the souped up eliza 546356;1393976918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-] 546357;1393976957;mircea_popescu;you know we should probably make a decoy chatroom 546358;1393976959;mircea_popescu;each write a bot 546359;1393976975;*;asciilifeform blows dust off shelf 546360;1393976992;asciilifeform;'Artificial Intelligence and Literary Creativity: Inside the Mind of BRUTUS, a Storytelling Machine', Bringsjord & Ferrucci 546361;1393976994;*;mircea_popescu is looking to buy bot hosting nao 546362;1393977011;asciilifeform;good overview of the extant zoo of chatbots and shannonizers 546363;1393977040;mircea_popescu;i dun think i ever read it 546364;1393977050;asciilifeform;it's not a famous mega-work 546365;1393977101;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3076 @ 0.00082596 = 2.5407 BTC [-] 546366;1393977133;ninjashogun;mirceau - could I have a copy of http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/ please? It was linked from this interesting http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/01/how-silicon-valley-could-learn-to-bitcoin-part1/ that BingoBoingo linked me. 546367;1393977153;mircea_popescu;http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/areas/classics/parry/ btw 546368;1393977153;ozbot;Index of /afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/areas/classics/parry 546369;1393977178;mircea_popescu;so what's wrong with clicking the link ? 546370;1393977184;mircea_popescu;and why do you spell my name like deprived ? 546371;1393977199;*;BingoBoingo wonder how long it takes to catch with ninjashogun on that BingoBoingo did not merely link the linking article, but wrote it 546372;1393977244;kakobrekla;ThickAsThieves i made a deal with him before he went all mental, whats the issue? he paid. at least what we agreed on the end. 546373;1393977250;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://pastebin.com/9Ef7F07z 546374;1393977284;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00479308 = 0.1246 BTC [-] {2} 546375;1393977323;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: poor fellow is a bit of slow learner 546376;1393977359;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Most people are without a gasenwagen 546377;1393977406;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00477926 = 0.3871 BTC [-] {4} 546378;1393977464;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I considered that a private conversation. 546379;1393977484;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I will say that I am glad I was on guard with you. Anyone who builds anything has to manage building it with talking about it. 546380;1393977495;benkay`;ninjashogun: there's no minimum IQ required for participating on the internet. 546381;1393977499;benkay`;:) 546382;1393977514;mircea_popescu;the philosophical problem would be that privacy is impossible without identity 546383;1393977518;ninjashogun;hi, benkay` 546384;1393977524;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, could you elaborate? 546385;1393977536;asciilifeform;spammer wants to talk to one chump at a time 546386;1393977541;asciilifeform;i get it 546387;1393977569;benkay`;asciilifeform your chumpatron essay came up at lunch today 546388;1393977582;asciilifeform;for all he knows, user with handle 'asciilifeform' is not alive at all, but only a bot that spews all PM'd crap out into #bitcoin-assets an hour later. 546389;1393977595;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun sheep have no privacy, nor crabs nor birds. privacy is a construct of the human mind, and it is built upon identity. which you don't currently have. 546390;1393977602;benkay`;general heading of "shit this firm is not touching with a nine-meter pole" 546391;1393977615;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You mean you don't run that bot on your nick? 546392;1393977621;benkay`;ninjashogun weren't you just derping about not having time to derp in irc? 546393;1393977645;mircea_popescu;benkay` as per the earlier linked tlp article, narcissus got hooked by entity not returning his love. 546394;1393977665;benkay`;ya it's a pretty strong lure 546395;1393977676;benkay`;anyways ninjashogun if you want privacy on IRC this is what you do 546396;1393977678;ninjashogun;benkay` I am making the time, because it is important. I'm also surprised by some of what I have learned about bitcoin-assets. 546397;1393977699;ninjashogun;For example I thought mirceau completely bootstrapped his thing, had no investors of any kind, since he doesn't deal with them the way startups I've seen do. 546398;1393977700;benkay`;ask your counterparty to sign a declaration they'll not publish records of your conversation 546399;1393977701;kakobrekla;what did you learn about bitcoin-assets ? 546400;1393977730;ninjashogun;Instead he got 30K btc as an investment, valuing his thing at one point around $1B. This is just totally different from what I was expecting. 546401;1393977733;benkay`;of course, asking for a thing from someone in the WoT without having your own identity is a bit el oh el, but whatever and airplanes etc. 546402;1393977736;mircea_popescu;you're nuts yo. 546403;1393977749;mircea_popescu;bootstrapping happened in 2011 546404;1393977769;mircea_popescu;i can take an investor on any terms i want in 2013, seeing how i'm already valued at a billion, with him or without him. 546405;1393977771;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, sorry, I don't know the details. I just see that you're active on IRC and was just going by how you talk and participate. You also have a lot of time here. 546406;1393977783;ninjashogun;yes, I agree with you. I was just surprised to learn this! 546407;1393977798;ninjashogun;It's totally different from the ecosystem I knew before. Also, the fact that you post logs and do a lot via IRC. That surprised me a great deal. 546408;1393977819;mircea_popescu;i guess you didn't read BingoBoingo's other article 546409;1393977826;ninjashogun;I haven't finished reading it, no. 546410;1393977833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00082413 = 4.3267 BTC [-] 546411;1393977862;mircea_popescu;anyway. the arduous task of reading -assets logs / lurking is at least offset by it being... interesting. 546412;1393977864;ninjashogun;I guess basically I wasn't taking these projects as "seriously" as other parts of the startup ecosystem. But perhaps it's true that "silicon valley has a lot to learn from bitcoin" 546413;1393977877;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 546414;1393977885;BingoBoingo;http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/14/01/20/0348247/romanian-bitcoin-entrepreneur-steps-in-to-pay-openbsd-shortfall 546415;1393977887;ozbot;Romanian Bitcoin Entrepreneur Steps In To Pay OpenBSD Shortfall - Slashdot 546416;1393977899;ninjashogun;yes, my valuation was informed by lurking in or being in other similar channels on IRC 546417;1393977920;ninjashogun;well, not "valuation" just what I thought of this channel. By the way this is called 'saliency bias'. 546418;1393977923;mircea_popescu;perhaps not as similar as all that. 546419;1393977941;BingoBoingo;Which links to http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/19/romanian-billionaire-saves-openbsd/ 546420;1393977943;ninjashogun;No, very different. 546421;1393977963;mircea_popescu;the great advantage of the irc is its splendid flexibility. 546422;1393977983;mircea_popescu;like any good tool, it can be used by people as smart or as dumb they may happen to be. 546423;1393978008;ninjashogun;so, thanks for saving openbsd, mircea_popescu. 546424;1393978063;mircea_popescu;nao BingoBoingo can run his vax moar. 546425;1393978082;BingoBoingo;Have to keep the Herd of Vaxen healthy 546426;1393978098;ninjashogun;I didn't realize you're Romanian either. I thought you were Brazilian :) (I don't speak either portuguese or Romanian) 546427;1393978117;mircea_popescu;i do. 546428;1393978135;ninjashogun;just saw romance-language like words that I didn't understand on your blog. (I do speak some French, Italian, Spanish so knew it wasn't those) 546429;1393978152;Duffer1;MP's library is mostly rosetta stone modules :P 546430;1393978152;ninjashogun;mirceau, as a Romanian do you hate Hungarians? 546431;1393978187;mircea_popescu;i don't hate them as a brazilian either. 546432;1393978193;ninjashogun;:) 546433;1393978217;ninjashogun;I'm an American but have some background from Eastern Europe. I always wondered about the animosity between some of those countries - and the friendship between the others. 546434;1393978238;mircea_popescu;it's greatly exaggerated for narrative effect. 546435;1393978243;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, are you one of the richest Romanians by valuation (net worth) or were you around peak BTC price? 546436;1393978257;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. probably. 546437;1393978265;ninjashogun;it's pretty interesting 546438;1393978278;ninjashogun;and did you stay there or emigrate? 546439;1393978294;mircea_popescu;i never emigrated. i travelled plenty tho. 546440;1393978297;benkay`;.bait 546441;1393978298;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2r63ftbJ91qa7af5o1_1280.jpg 546442;1393978312;benkay`;score 546443;1393978313;benkay`;.bait 546444;1393978315;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2rhrxyTeQ1qj4t1so1_500.jpg 546445;1393978325;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m726c01Mfu1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 546446;1393978328;benkay`;the left, for sure. 546447;1393978351;ninjashogun;benkay`, the guy in the biker shorts for you, eh? :) 546448;1393978374;benkay`;really gets me going 546449;1393978392;benkay`;girl's wearing too much. 546450;1393978395;benkay`;er 546451;1393978399;benkay`;not wearing enough 546452;1393978405;ninjashogun;dear God just closing tabs and saw the slashdot link. What have they done?? http://beta.slashdot.org/story/197077 546453;1393978410;benkay`;THAT HEADBAND MAN ITS GOTTA GO 546454;1393978430;ninjashogun;what have they done to that poor site 546455;1393978454;mircea_popescu;web 2.0 546456;1393978456;mircea_popescu;it's a std. 546457;1393978484;ninjashogun;I guess I'm one of the 1 in 10 Americans now. 546458;1393978504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00082403 = 4.9442 BTC [-] {2} 546459;1393978512;mircea_popescu;-assets : the gift that keeps on giving 546460;1393978516;mircea_popescu;please clap. 546461;1393978547;BingoBoingo;Nothing but STDs here 546462;1393978597;mircea_popescu;benkay` fucking people. they run into naked girl, their interaction with her is subsumed to futzing with the phone. 546463;1393978626;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 546464;1393978634;asciilifeform;everyone remembers baron munchausen's horse? 546465;1393978660;mircea_popescu;bucephalus ? 546466;1393978666;asciilifeform;nah that's alex 546467;1393978678;mircea_popescu;waitwat 546468;1393978681;asciilifeform;the one that drinks 546469;1393978684;benkay`;mircea_popescu i mean i'd be unsurprised but that's because american men are a bunch of silly effettes 546470;1393978688;asciilifeform;http://homepage.ntlworld.com/forgottenfutures/munch/cruik4.gif 546471;1393978688;benkay`;"men" 546472;1393978711;asciilifeform;horse gets chopped in half and doesn't notice 546473;1393978714;asciilifeform;keeps drinking 546474;1393978721;benkay`;also you're probably standing right there taking that photo and shit timisoara's gotta be small enough that everyone knows not to fuck with MP's wimminz 546475;1393978735;BingoBoingo;moiety: You know about IRC nao... ANd you made yet another chat site? 546476;1393978741;mircea_popescu;benkay` that was in plattdeutschland 546477;1393978789;benkay`;still, here you are walking around with this woman in public, taking her photo and photos of everyone's reactions 546478;1393978804;mircea_popescu;cause i deeply care about everyone ? 546479;1393978808;benkay`;just out of manners i think i keep walking 546480;1393978821;benkay`;whatever trip you two are on i am obviously not invited 546481;1393978827;mircea_popescu;well either keep walking or else, you know, smile at her, do with the eye, tweak her nipple, something. 546482;1393978840;benkay`;most guys not really having the stones to go for a nip... 546483;1393978884;mircea_popescu;the oft retold story of me talking the bitches out to frolic in the snow, people with dogs going all stiff, carefully looking away. the dogs, kinda curious hmm... what is with these humans here ? the masters, completely nuts. 546484;1393978901;mircea_popescu;dog 1 : human 0 fcol. 546485;1393978907;KRS-One;http://imgur.com/gallery/auQwvPd 546486;1393978909;ozbot;karpeles finger - Imgur 546487;1393978916;KRS-One;hah 546488;1393978927;benkay`;people man 546489;1393978930;benkay`;they know not to get involved 546490;1393978933;benkay`;i'm an idiot though 546491;1393978937;benkay`;look at me, i got involved with bitcoin 546492;1393978938;mircea_popescu;dat guy looks so french KRS-One 546493;1393978939;benkay`;FML 546494;1393978955;mircea_popescu;how's your lisp-of-everything coming along ? 546495;1393978963;asciilifeform;benkay`: and what about chumpatron 546496;1393978968;asciilifeform;i think i missed something earlier 546497;1393978976;benkay`;it comes 546498;1393978985;benkay`;haltingly 546499;1393978998;benkay`;ragel requires some oop boilerplate 546500;1393979021;benkay`;so delegates, implementing interfaces, the whole java shitshow 546501;1393979039;benkay`;advice of guy looking over my shoulder was to just bite the bullet and do the parser in java 546502;1393979059;benkay`;would go faster if i could afford to go heads down on it for a month 546503;1393979078;*;mircea_popescu hates java 546504;1393979095;benkay`;dat cube farm stench. 546505;1393979115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00082549 = 21.7929 BTC [+] {3} 546506;1393979133;benkay`;asciilifeform: it came up in the context of "things this firm is not getting involved in" 546507;1393979140;mircea_popescu;tbh : i don't actually hate java, 546508;1393979147;mircea_popescu;it's whatever, c flavoured. 546509;1393979153;mircea_popescu;i hate the java machine bullcrap 546510;1393979202;benkay`;i don't hate it - it's just another dumblang 546511;1393979215;benkay`;i'm just frustrated by cognitive overhead and limited personal bandwidth/. 546512;1393979240;moiety;BingoBoingo: there's a difference. you don't always get dinner at the restaurant you work in 546513;1393979252;BingoBoingo;moiety: Still Doge? 546514;1393979295;moiety;it works, so who gives a fuck? i honestly think the features we have on that site are much more suited to the doge community. 546515;1393979316;moiety;like the webcam snaps etc.. what bitcoiners are gonna use that 546516;1393979351;BingoBoingo;True 546517;1393979380;mircea_popescu;so moiety is basically discordian and unconformant in absolutely every which way. 546518;1393979417;wao-ender;lul http://www.romainbrasier.fr/404 546519;1393979419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00082725 = 15.9659 BTC [+] {2} 546520;1393979443;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I see it as moiety As seen the Doge and simply found an opportunity for an honest chumpatron. 546521;1393979445;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha great 546522;1393979486;asciilifeform;'honest chumpatron' - like 'pleasurable woodchipper' ? 546523;1393979488;asciilifeform;or what 546524;1393979561;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I imagine an honest chumpatron is kind of like an idiot reserve. 546525;1393979566;mircea_popescu;wao-ender did yo uever finish mayhem ? 546526;1393979571;moiety;mircea_popescu: in the sense that i can make anything work regardless of personal stance :) bingo's right and you guys allow me to derp around here for some sanity... amazingly 546527;1393979571;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 546528;1393979585;mircea_popescu;moiety just make sure you document well what you do 546529;1393979625;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo asciilifeform actually, a university (in the classical, functional and ideal sense, no relation to us/uk "college") is the prototype of the honest chumpatron 546530;1393979631;mircea_popescu;quite respectable, too. 546531;1393979665;asciilifeform;might be nice to see this one explained 546532;1393979686;moiety;document? 546533;1393979724;mircea_popescu;moiety yes, write down what you do. you're the only one doing most of it. 546534;1393979748;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ok, ever read villon ? 546535;1393979764;moiety;yeah, you're right, i really should. 546536;1393979851;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sadly, no, only here: http://www.ark.ru/ins/lyrics/a/molitva_okudzhava.html 546537;1393979872;wao-ender;dude, totally want one http://www.skyboximaging.com/products/access 546538;1393979879;mircea_popescu;you really should, it's quite excellent literature. unlike french cheese, this is passable, and why we tolerate them in europe. 546539;1393979911;mircea_popescu;but that aside, you familiar with the *medieval* notion that a healthy young boy should learn a trade, and only phtisic good for nothing losers go to university ? 546540;1393979917;asciilifeform;oh yes. 546541;1393979931;mircea_popescu;as immortalised say in the romanian saying, "logofete brinza-n cuiu, lapte acru-n calimari, chiu si vai prin buzunari" 546542;1393979938;mircea_popescu;ok, so going to the university has a cost. 546543;1393979946;mircea_popescu;yet people submitted to it. 546544;1393979948;mircea_popescu;willingly. 546545;1393979958;asciilifeform;not that different from monasticism 546546;1393979961;mircea_popescu;for the pleasure and enjoyment of... the company. OF OTHER LOSERS LIKE THEM 546547;1393979965;asciilifeform;(no prizes for guessing why) 546548;1393979975;mircea_popescu;what, pray tell, is a chumpatron ? 546549;1393979997;asciilifeform;i sorta tried to explain this in a post 546550;1393980010;mircea_popescu;i mean there's no requirement that the chump don't enjoy it 546551;1393980014;asciilifeform;correct 546552;1393980019;mircea_popescu;or that he regrets the ride after havin been taken for it 546553;1393980036;mircea_popescu;all that;s require\d is that he can never go back 546554;1393980036;asciilifeform;casino is an incontrovertible chumpatron 546555;1393980042;mircea_popescu;which is to say, an entalpic process 546556;1393980056;asciilifeform;hence 'fuel' analogy 546557;1393980061;mircea_popescu;indeed. 546558;1393980076;mircea_popescu;perhaps unobvious in the fuel analogy, because the inadvertent reader will think in terms of power 546559;1393980086;mircea_popescu;rather than in proper thermodynamics notions of reversibility 546560;1393980108;asciilifeform;thermodynamics notions of reversibility << this was the exact intended meaning. 546561;1393980124;mircea_popescu;so then we understand each other. 546562;1393980274;asciilifeform;i did specify that in a chumpatron, vs. an ordinary bioreactor, the fuel /wants/ to burn 546563;1393980276;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, caught your Romanian sentence. Google Translate offers, "scribes cheese-n cuiu, sour milk-n inkwell, chiu and valleys pockets "" 546564;1393980286;ninjashogun;:/ 546565;1393980316;wao-ender;wickeeed https://citizenlab.org/2014/02/hacking-teams-us-nexus/ 546566;1393980321;mircea_popescu;logofat = youthful scribe used to take down dictation of his lord and sometimes a little cock. 546567;1393980335;mircea_popescu;basically, a congressional aide. 546568;1393980385;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what, and freshmen don't want to burn ? 546569;1393980391;asciilifeform;surely. 546570;1393980400;asciilifeform;uni is certainly a chumpatron. 546571;1393980404;asciilifeform;as is any army, etc 546572;1393980428;mircea_popescu;army perhaps not. 546573;1393980438;mircea_popescu;it actually pays out more than it takes in. 546574;1393980454;mircea_popescu;it used to be, sure. but now it's more like a welfare programme 546575;1393980458;asciilifeform;true, there are '+EV' armies 546576;1393980466;asciilifeform;depends on time/place 546577;1393980516;mircea_popescu;there used to be. herodotus or who observed that it seems ignoble and unworthy of a man to plow the field 546578;1393980525;mircea_popescu;when so much wealth can be acquired the proper way 546579;1393980563;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the us has spent more on syria than syria'd cost to buy, whole. 546580;1393980573;moiety;i don't see the site as a chumpatron, after listening. i just like to make things work is all 546581;1393980586;asciilifeform;for those who have not read classics, but like pulp sf, this is featured in 'thrones' - 'we do not sow (TM)' 546582;1393980628;mircea_popescu;moiety i think he was talking about doge 546583;1393980699;moiety;oh, i hope so. i know he is allergic 546584;1393980757;mircea_popescu;"magine a large corporate machine mobilized to get you to buy something you don't need at a tremendously inflated cost, complete with advertising, marketing, and branding that says you're not hip if you don't have one, but when you get one you discover it's of poor quality and obsolete in ten months. That's a BA. 546585;1393980757;mircea_popescu;When we see a welfare mom we assume she can't find work, but when we see a hipster we become infuriated because we assume he doesn't want to work but could easily do so-- on account of the fact that he can speak well-- that he went to college. But now suddenly we're all shocked: to the economy, the English grad is just as superfluous as the disenfranchised welfare mom in the hood-- the college education is just as irr 546586;1393980757;mircea_popescu;elevant as the skin color. Not irrelevant for now, not irrelevant "until the economy improves"-- irrelevant forever. The economy doesn't care about intelligence, at all, it doesn't care what you know, merely what you can produce for it. The only thing the English grad is "qualified" for in this economy is the very things s/he is already doing: coffeehouse agitator, Trader Joe's associate, Apple customer... and spouse 546587;1393980762;mircea_popescu;of a capitalist." 546588;1393980764;mircea_popescu;this is absurdly generous. 546589;1393980772;mircea_popescu;slavegirl. not spouse. 546590;1393980778;mircea_popescu;you don't marry english grads. 546591;1393980954;asciilifeform;where was this 546592;1393980979;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/11/hipsters_on_food_stamps.html 546593;1393980980;ozbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Hipsters On Food Stamps, Part 1 546594;1393980985;asciilifeform;aha 546595;1393980998;mircea_popescu;the guy has some very specific sexual hangups. it's all centered on rape, can't see violence, can't see submission, he's impacted. 546596;1393981000;asciilifeform;Butugychag. 546597;1393981005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10152 @ 0.00082729 = 8.3986 BTC [+] {2} 546598;1393981017;KRS-One;mircea_popescu I hated Java too, but then once I fully understood it, I was shocked by what it can do and how it works. 546599;1393981046;mircea_popescu;KRS-One i know people who have to maintain it that are shocked on a weekly basis by both what it can do and how it works. 546600;1393981058;asciilifeform;lol 546601;1393981066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5169 @ 0.00082392 = 4.2588 BTC [-] 546602;1393981082;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, did you develop the first version of your site yourself? (by hand) 546603;1393981086;KRS-One;I always thought it was slow, but that isn't really the case. If it runs slow its because someone didn't know what they are doing. 546604;1393981092;mircea_popescu;i don't code, really. 546605;1393981109;mircea_popescu;KRS-One i always thought it's insecure, and insecurable 546606;1393981131;mircea_popescu;many things are not. basic, for instance, is eminently secure. 546607;1393981133;KRS-One;tbh i dont know much about securing java..that could be. 546608;1393981139;ninjashogun;so how did you produce the first version of your site? (the very first version, demosntration) 546609;1393981143;ninjashogun;demonstration* 546610;1393981150;KRS-One;afaik it could have the same security as a c program running in memory. 546611;1393981164;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun i just did what i always do, told people what to do. 546612;1393981174;ninjashogun;oh, okay 546613;1393981187;mircea_popescu;i'm one of those. 546614;1393981187;ninjashogun;I thought you did understand code quite well though 546615;1393981188;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00574998 = 0.115 BTC [+] 546616;1393981215;mircea_popescu;well, that i don't. however, i do understand quite well when i don't understand something. 546617;1393981222;mircea_popescu;turns out this is actually much more useful. 546618;1393981350;ninjashogun;yes 546619;1393981363;ninjashogun;What busienss were you in before this site? 546620;1393981371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00082759 = 7.7793 BTC [+] 546621;1393981401;mircea_popescu;you know... it's not a site. 546622;1393981415;ninjashogun;company then 546623;1393981510;mircea_popescu;http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/openbsd/ 546624;1393981513;ozbot;Bitcoin Baron Keeps a Secretive Open Source OS Alive | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com 546625;1393981518;mircea_popescu;there, klint has the scoop 546626;1393981536;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, mind if I call you Baron from now on 546627;1393981550;asciilifeform;interesting that, afaik, not one one those pieces breathed a word about why openbsd 546628;1393981564;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how would they know. 546629;1393981571;asciilifeform;could, well... ask someone. 546630;1393981583;mircea_popescu;when i do hidden in plain sight, it's hidden. when the usg tries it, it's snowdened. 546631;1393981586;kakobrekla;http://i.imgur.com/zPtT2.jpg 546632;1393981586;mircea_popescu;game of power. 546633;1393981613;benkay`;klint's a rad dude 546634;1393981618;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla now write a pow based on that 546635;1393981621;mircea_popescu;kakokoin 546636;1393981625;benkay`;your name came up over beers last night, mircea_popescu 546637;1393981627;kakobrekla;lol 546638;1393981640;mircea_popescu;benkay` mpilf ? 546639;1393981668;ninjashogun;your name also came up in private chat with BingoBoingo oh about half an hour ago 546640;1393981670;benkay`;can't imagine that means what the top suggestion from my suggestion machine suggests it means 546641;1393981671;moiety;that made me dizzy kakobrekla 546642;1393981681;kakobrekla;free drugs. 546643;1393981694;benkay`;well klint wanted to know what the deal with this crazy romanian was 546644;1393981698;benkay`;i said get on irc and say hi 546645;1393981711;benkay`;('crazy romanian' are my words) 546646;1393981729;kakobrekla;(he used 'fucked in the head') 546647;1393981739;kakobrekla;:D 546648;1393981759;mircea_popescu;hey guise, you really think i'm... eh nevermind 546649;1393981764;kakobrekla;lmao 546650;1393981798;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.58046764 = 19.7359 BTC [-] {7} 546651;1393981818;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, my opinion of you changed a lot when I saw what you built by the way. 546652;1393981827;ninjashogun;you did strike me a kind of crazy but now fuck it. 546653;1393981836;ninjashogun;Not just due to the valuation either. 546654;1393981847;ninjashogun;more due to the fact that you have any investors at all lol 546655;1393981851;Jere_Jones;mircea_popescu Why openbsd? 546656;1393981852;mircea_popescu;hopefully not many more people find out 546657;1393981859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00082409 = 13.9683 BTC [-] {2} 546658;1393981859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.575475 = 2.3019 BTC [-] {4} 546659;1393981885;mircea_popescu;Jere_Jones cause it keeps the nsa busy while we fuck it raw. 546660;1393981903;benkay`;mircea_popescu "not in the head!" 546661;1393981912;mircea_popescu;no, i guess not in the head. 546662;1393981917;kakobrekla;:D 546663;1393981943;moiety;careful kakobrekla , soon i'll be needing bigger and more dizzying imgurs for a bigger hit 546664;1393981959;kakobrekla;lol moiety , those are not free! 546665;1393981979;mircea_popescu;imgur pimpin 546666;1393981995;*;moiety goes to sell her tv 546667;1393982007;kakobrekla;but you need the tv for it to project the drugs 546668;1393982014;kakobrekla;jeez. 546669;1393982017;moiety;omg what am i thinking 546670;1393982026;moiety;sorry im too wasted fromthe last imgur 546671;1393982040;kakobrekla;you should be fine in an hour. 546672;1393982042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00082759 = 4.3035 BTC [+] 546673;1393982063;moiety;lolol 546674;1393982332;decimation;ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, mind if I call you Baron from now on << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#509819 546675;1393982434;decimation;asciilifeform I quite enjoy your translations of Herr Tepes 546676;1393982449;asciilifeform;there's a better one somewhere 546677;1393982497;mircea_popescu;ya but it's probably not in the wot. 546678;1393982512;ninjashogun;decimation, why did you quote that? 546679;1393982514;decimation;the one with the two monks well delinates orthodox Christianity from rapid puritanism 546680;1393982524;decimation;I thought that there was a parallel there 546681;1393982547;decimation;one who acknowledges authority but does not acknowledge its wisdom 546682;1393982555;ninjashogun;so I didn't realize how much money is sloshing around the bitcoin ecosystem. Question: do you think with WoT this ecosystem (e.g. this channel, etc) could substitute for the actual VC market completely? 546683;1393982577;ninjashogun;e.g. rather than raise $250K via an angel investor, or $4M in a Series A, that both of these could be done 100% via the bitcoin ecosystem? 546684;1393982580;ninjashogun;including IRC here? 546685;1393982591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7233 @ 0.0008279 = 5.9882 BTC [+] {2} 546686;1393982683;mircea_popescu;it already does substitute for it completely. 546687;1393982691;copumpkin;anyone want to start a petition to mircea_popescu to get the word popescuity added back to mpex official messages? 546688;1393982693;mircea_popescu;just, the vc circus hasn't yet found out, because we don't finance the circus. 546689;1393982707;decimation;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2013#427602 546690;1393982710;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 546691;1393982736;mircea_popescu;decimation is like the lord of the quotes tonight 546692;1393982775;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00082549 = 11.0616 BTC [-] {2} 546693;1393982800;decimation;I find that after reading an -assets log my mind returns to the original ideas contained therein 546694;1393982824;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/mind-your-step/ too 546695;1393982825;ozbot;Mind your step. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 546696;1393982835;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.11069871 = 0.6642 BTC [+] {2} 546697;1393982884;ThickAsThieves;The Washington DC City Council voted today to significantly ease marijuana laws in the district. By a near unanimous vote, the council ruled that possession and private consumption of the drug in small amounts would be decriminalized. 546698;1393982885;mircea_popescu;decimation eventually someone will write the grand book of everything, just distil all the 500k lines here into a castle of words. 546699;1393982893;ThickAsThieves;$25 fine now 546700;1393982896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.11069871 = 0.4428 BTC [+] 546701;1393982897;mircea_popescu;wow 546702;1393982903;mircea_popescu;they are going to lose fucking control of that place. 546703;1393982948;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'legalization' thing is a sham. it's quite like, if drinking a cup of coffee were punished with $25 fine, but anyone found with a sack of coffee beans were impaled 546704;1393983010;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem is this : they have 6-7-8 mn people packed like sardines in there, like 5k/km2 546705;1393983017;mircea_popescu;easements like this are very fucking dangerous 546706;1393983035;mircea_popescu;as per tocqueville's observation, it's not opressed peasants like the german serfs that rebel 546707;1393983037;asciilifeform;the sardines are already doped to the gills 546708;1393983055;mircea_popescu;it's relatively easy living french peasants that get an easement, which suddenly makes all restraints unbearable 546709;1393983064;asciilifeform;ahahaha 546710;1393983067;asciilifeform;yes 546711;1393983080;mircea_popescu;so... another couple of these, they're going to end up with hostage senate. 546712;1393983155;decimation;now that colorado has 'decriminalized' the other states are going to race to the bottom 546713;1393983158;asciilifeform;the bastards know this, and so all the easements are sham 546714;1393983189;mircea_popescu;if there's going to be a soyuz of the soviets organised within our lifetimes over there i'll possibly not be able to carry on for laughter 546715;1393983196;asciilifeform;all this is is an attempt to tax an already plentiful and omnipresent supply of mj 546716;1393983198;ThickAsThieves;seems harmless to them, whatre a buncha potheads gonna do 546717;1393983200;decimation;actually the current state of affairs is perfect for the bureaucracy: no one knows what is actually legal, and everyone is probably an outlaw 546718;1393983214;ThickAsThieves;but potheads also love bitcoin 546719;1393983220;mircea_popescu;decimation this only seems perfect. it's in fact disastrous. 546720;1393983234;mircea_popescu;like you know, the state of being locked into the cake freezer seems ideal to the 9yo 546721;1393983236;mircea_popescu;till the air runs out 546722;1393983237;ThickAsThieves;<decimation> actually the current state of affairs is perfect for the bureaucracy: no one knows what is actually legal, and everyone is probably an outlaw /// too true 546723;1393983263;ThickAsThieves;how the fuck *is* someone supposed to be responsible to know what is legal when the line is nothing but blur 546724;1393983280;mircea_popescu;just buy a judge 546725;1393983285;mircea_popescu;what was the expression, "roof" ? 546726;1393983301;ThickAsThieves;the roof is back, carry on 546727;1393983307;decimation;"trustfullness" is what civilization is built upon 546728;1393983323;decimation;once everyone assumes that everything is a scam or chumpatron, it's going to be hard to get anything done 546729;1393983332;ThickAsThieves;like now? 546730;1393983344;asciilifeform;decimation: not much risk of this 546731;1393983374;ThickAsThieves;except right now everyone thinks all the scams are truths and truths are scams 546732;1393983383;ThickAsThieves;it's painful 546733;1393983397;mircea_popescu;the book of doom after tat 546734;1393983430;ThickAsThieves;? 546735;1393983474;ThickAsThieves;i think about how even the concept of getting pulled over while driving is usually absurd 546736;1393983490;mircea_popescu;"and then i saw a great vision of everyone's head being screwed in backwards 546737;1393983506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00083001 = 3.071 BTC [+] 546738;1393983508;mircea_popescu;and the clowds did billow smoke" 546739;1393983519;ThickAsThieves;5 miles of a speed limit is okay, 10, no way, but it's all just offending a street sign, not necessarily even endangering anyone 546740;1393983537;decimation;http://www.academic-capital.net/2013/12/trust-of-each-other-is-declining.html 546741;1393983537;ozbot;Academic-Capital: Trust of Each Other is Declining According to a General Social Survey 546742;1393983555;decimation;"A poll by the General Social Survey indicates that about 1/3 of Americans trust each other. This is a big step downward from a 1972 survey that indicated that about of Americans trust each other. Around 2/3rds say that ?you can?t be too careful? dealing with others. " 546743;1393983562;ThickAsThieves;there's a stretch of highway about 2 miles long in FL, where the limit changes 16 times 546744;1393983563;ThickAsThieves;wtf 546745;1393983575;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well, that reasoning doesn't work in a town (because if you go fast enough whether you run into someone or not becomes a matter of luck), but it does make sense of highways 546746;1393983583;mircea_popescu;which is why sane people (ie, germans) don't have upper limits, 546747;1393983585;mircea_popescu;they have lower limits 546748;1393983620;decimation;the speed people actually travel on a road has to do with its design, not the arbitrary (often retarded) regulatory limits 546749;1393983653;asciilifeform;in the u.s. speed limits are a bizarrely labour-intensive kind of tax. 546750;1393983664;ThickAsThieves;agreed, and i think an officer should be human enough to interpret whether someone is actually endangering a situation, over filling a quota for tickets 546751;1393983685;decimation;officer is in the bureaucrat chumpatron 546752;1393983692;asciilifeform;alternative is the russian (and most of the world) system, where you can pay him to go away 546753;1393983692;ThickAsThieves;(no i was not pulled over anytime recently) 546754;1393983722;ThickAsThieves;my wife thinks a drive too slow, except when i don't see nonsensical speed signs 546755;1393983736;ThickAsThieves;i* 546756;1393983766;mircea_popescu;i remember a time when officer was a superlative menschkeit thing 546757;1393983776;ThickAsThieves;i think he rides every car''s ass, but generally is a better driver 546758;1393983778;mircea_popescu;finding an asshole officer was like finding a virgin in paris 546759;1393983780;ThickAsThieves;she 546760;1393983843;ThickAsThieves;"You are free to choose to participate in the poll or not. Nobody is begging you for your money and I wish we could avoid asking for anyone's money at all to avoid dealing with investors such as yourself. Hopefully if we succeed in listing IPO we will not have you on our investor's list." 546761;1393983867;ThickAsThieves;guffaw! scammers! 546762;1393983871;decimation;an actual police force would allocate actual discretion to its officers; chumpatron police have no authority and therefore treat others as the spoiled children they are 546763;1393983980;mircea_popescu;decimation explai nhow this actual police force works. 546764;1393983997;asciilifeform;rome -> 'auctoritas', rus. -> 'авторитет', english -> ?????? 546765;1393984001;mircea_popescu;suppose you're advising me as emperor of jormania in the making of my imperial police force. 546766;1393984009;asciilifeform;because it sure as fuck ain't 'authority' 546767;1393984015;asciilifeform;what's the word - anyone? 546768;1393984018;mircea_popescu;automobile 546769;1393984024;decimation;the master hires a policeman, the policeman acts on the authority of the master 546770;1393984035;mircea_popescu;well say the population is 1mn. 546771;1393984039;mircea_popescu;i hire one policeman ? 546772;1393984045;decimation;if the policeman acts responisbly, he is rewarded, otherwise, punished 546773;1393984049;ninjashogun;good night 546774;1393984053;mircea_popescu;wait wait. 546775;1393984056;mircea_popescu;how do i hire him ? 546776;1393984068;decimation;certainly not from a 'police academy' 546777;1393984069;asciilifeform;the policeman acts on the authority of the master << that's 'potentas' not 'auctoritas' ! 546778;1393984080;mircea_popescu;potestas ? 546779;1393984107;asciilifeform;ah yea 546780;1393984126;BingoBoingo;I imagine for a proper police force for Jormania, you would at least need two castes working for you. Police Officers and then the lowly police man. 546781;1393984138;mircea_popescu;well, how do i get these then ? 546782;1393984158;BingoBoingo;For the police officer you search for people who can maintain their own harem. 546783;1393984160;decimation;I guess the traditional method is from the children of the local nobles 546784;1393984178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00082379 = 17.5879 BTC [-] {3} 546785;1393984179;mircea_popescu;so then suppose one day a police officer's daughter falls in love with a lowly police grunt. 546786;1393984184;BingoBoingo;For the policeman you take the local schlubs and have the officers discipline them 546787;1393984188;mircea_popescu;because - horrible dictu - he reminds her a lot of her father. 546788;1393984213;BingoBoingo;I imagine in that case the officer get dismissed 546789;1393984222;mircea_popescu;you may not readily appreciate the immensity of this problem. 546790;1393984223;BingoBoingo;Loses their commision 546791;1393984223;ThickAsThieves;how about you have simple laws that simple men can enforce 546792;1393984241;ThickAsThieves;anything too complicated to be enforced cannot be law 546793;1393984241;mircea_popescu;if the slut is allowed free rein, you have just destroyed the separation. 546794;1393984250;mircea_popescu;if the slut is not allowed free reign, civil war is unavoidable. 546795;1393984267;BingoBoingo;The slut's free reign comes at cost to the father. 546796;1393984267;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves so what do you do when you're invaded by a society which is more complicated ? pray ? 546797;1393984278;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo father is dead. 546798;1393984284;mircea_popescu;he doesn't carry weight in this discussion 546799;1393984286;ThickAsThieves;not sure what you mean 546800;1393984294;ThickAsThieves;if yer invaded you fight 546801;1393984295;ThickAsThieves;if you lose 546802;1393984297;ThickAsThieves;new rules 546803;1393984303;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i mean this : that your approach imposes a limit on the complexity of relationships in your society 546804;1393984310;mircea_popescu;which in turn limits overal complexity in your system 546805;1393984316;ThickAsThieves;the limit is reality 546806;1393984319;mircea_popescu;a more complex system could be conceived, and even if it'd work "worse 546807;1393984324;ThickAsThieves;if it cant be enforced 546808;1393984325;mircea_popescu;itd still fuck you i nthe field. 546809;1393984326;ThickAsThieves;how can it be law 546810;1393984331;mircea_popescu;as it is now. 546811;1393984346;ThickAsThieves;the curation is in the lawmaking 546812;1393984354;mircea_popescu;somalia has very simple laws. 546813;1393984360;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00483292 = 0.1498 BTC [+] {3} 546814;1393984361;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Grunt has to challenge an officer's fitness and take their place http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KlingonPromotion 546815;1393984371;asciilifeform;Obligatory: 546816;1393984372;asciilifeform;http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm 546817;1393984374;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo perhaps. what if he doesn't ? 546818;1393984381;ThickAsThieves;i'm thinking out loud here, neve rput much thought into this topic 546819;1393984388;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Death by exile? 546820;1393984396;ThickAsThieves;other than to observe when law goes absurd 546821;1393984396;mircea_popescu;civil war. 546822;1393984432;ThickAsThieves;like a hippocratic oath 546823;1393984442;ThickAsThieves;an officer's job is to help 546824;1393984445;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you resolve nothing with this bandaid. 546825;1393984452;ThickAsThieves;if they are helping no one 546826;1393984454;mircea_popescu;the tension is still there, you merely force people into hypocrisy 546827;1393984457;mircea_popescu;sooner or later it will blow 546828;1393984461;ThickAsThieves;why iis the law beig enforced 546829;1393984478;ThickAsThieves;like a highway stop for 10mph too fast 546830;1393984495;mircea_popescu;the guy can't evaluate if you were in fact harming no-one 546831;1393984502;mircea_popescu;that's why he has the law : to not have to do qm 546832;1393984511;ThickAsThieves;can he evaluate that i was? 546833;1393984518;mircea_popescu;that you WEREN'T 546834;1393984520;mircea_popescu;that's your verb 546835;1393984521;ThickAsThieves;hehe 546836;1393984525;ThickAsThieves;wasnt 546837;1393984529;mircea_popescu;well ya 546838;1393984570;decimation;mircea, you would give the Devil the benefit of law? 546839;1393984575;ThickAsThieves;so basically you can't win 546840;1393984578;mircea_popescu;depends. 546841;1393984591;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves not for your definition of "Win" i'm affraid. 546842;1393984617;ThickAsThieves;i guess the core of this, is i just want everyone to be more intelligent and logical 546843;1393984623;mircea_popescu;glwt 546844;1393984625;ThickAsThieves;it'd echo thru all things 546845;1393984626;mircea_popescu;i want all chicks to be taller. 546846;1393984649;ThickAsThieves;i can accept harmony isnt possible 546847;1393984658;ThickAsThieves;but we can certainly do better 546848;1393984660;mircea_popescu;it's not a matter of harmony 546849;1393984668;mircea_popescu;it's a matter of "let everything be better" 546850;1393984673;mircea_popescu;well... fuck. why didn't i thinl of that. 546851;1393984779;ThickAsThieves;to play devil's advocate though, i often contemplate the flipside. As in, usually I feel like my environment is too dumb, but pardon my candor, but would living in a world of #b-a people actually be enjoyable? 546852;1393984804;decimation;why is your joy their problem? 546853;1393984811;ThickAsThieves;see what i mean 546854;1393984821;ThickAsThieves;;) 546855;1393984834;decimation;hehe 546856;1393984849;asciilifeform;ok time for musical interlude. 546857;1393984861;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i came to romania after all. 546858;1393984871;mircea_popescu;"So start with an interesting hypothetical: does everybody need to work anymore? I understand work from an ethical/character perspective, this is not here my point. Since we no longer need e.g. manufacturing jobs-- cheaper elsewhere or with robots-- since those labor costs have evaporated, could that surplus go towards paying people simply to stay out of trouble? Is there a natural economic equilibrium price where, 546859;1393984871;mircea_popescu;say, a U Chicago grad can do no economically productive work at all but still be paid to use Instagram? Let me be explicit: my question is not should we do this, my question is that since this is precisely what's happening already, is it sustainable? What is the cost? I don't have to run the numbers, someone already has: it's $150/mo for a college grads, i.e. the price of food stamps. Other correct responses would 546860;1393984872;mircea_popescu;be $700/mo for "some high school" (SSI) or $1500/mo for "previous work experience" (unemployment). I would have accepted $2000/mo for "minorities" (jail) for partial credit." 546861;1393984872;asciilifeform;russian fellow by the name of D. Starostin did 5 yrs. in a new york prison for attempted murder 546862;1393984875;asciilifeform;wrote a book. 546863;1393984897;asciilifeform;'amer. gulag, 5 yrs on the starred-and-striped cot' 546864;1393984906;asciilifeform;had a spiffy quote in there 546865;1393984909;mircea_popescu;not the magnetohydrodynamics guy ? 546866;1393984910;mircea_popescu;aok 546867;1393984915;asciilifeform;'Американец не считает, что человек в форме — бандит, с которым нужно договариваться. Он считает, что это робот, которого нужно бояться. Американские правоохранительные органы способны, искусно нажимая на клавиши многочисленн 546868;1393984915;asciilifeform;ых законов и предписаний, «оформить» самый незначительный проступок как чудовищное деяние. Фэбээровцам не нужно было избивать Монику Левински или подбрасывать ей в сумочку патроны и героин. Дача ложных показаний — преступле 546869;1393984917;asciilifeform;ние, воспринимаемое в России как мелочь, — в Соединенных Штатах действительно способна повлечь за собой 26 лет тюрьмы. Тот факт, что речь, по сути дела, шла о молодой девушке, не желавшей признать свою любовную связь с женатым му 546870;1393984922;asciilifeform;жчиной, в США никого бы не волновал. Принцип машины означает: сделал — получи. Машина неумолима и неподкупна.' 546871;1393984925;asciilifeform;translation roughly below: 546872;1393984953;ThickAsThieves;moving to Romania falling on which side of things mp? 546873;1393984978;ThickAsThieves;people who do whatever the fuck makes sense to them? 546874;1393984984;ThickAsThieves;i'm not too familiar with the people 546875;1393984987;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves no, just, tards. 546876;1393984992;ThickAsThieves;ah 546877;1393985041;ThickAsThieves;"I just called Mt Gox asking for my bitcoins..here the recording" 546878;1393985066;ThickAsThieves;http://www.mtsushi.com/ 546879;1393985066;ozbot;MtSushi 546880;1393985111;asciilifeform;'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or ammunition. 546881;1393985111;asciilifeform;The giving of false testimony - a crime, seen in Russia as small change - in the U.S. can lead to 26 years of prison. The fact that, in essence, the matter concerned a young girl who did not wish to admit her love affair with a married man, interests no one in the U.S. The principle of the machine is: do it [the crime] - receive. [consequences] the machine is merciless and incorruptible.' 546882;1393985128;ThickAsThieves;"i cant say anything more than on the website" 546883;1393985141;asciilifeform;(http://flibusta.net/b/247422/read for the linguistically non-challenged) 546884;1393985159;asciilifeform;lovely illustrations, for those who are. 546885;1393985200;mircea_popescu;honestly i don't see it. 546886;1393985210;mircea_popescu;i mean, this is oft repeated as a representation of fact, 546887;1393985221;mircea_popescu;but irl i know of no system more corrupt than reagan's us 546888;1393985229;mircea_popescu;except of course each subsequent one. 546889;1393985232;asciilifeform;it's arranged a bit differently. 546890;1393985238;asciilifeform;you have to buy them in bulk. 546891;1393985248;mircea_popescu;but you have acces to unlimited credit. 546892;1393985268;asciilifeform;which is why there isn't really a market 546893;1393985272;asciilifeform;in the usual sense 546894;1393985276;mircea_popescu;so then... 546895;1393985281;ThickAsThieves;i think some people don;t realize corruption has a broader definition than "paid off" 546896;1393985284;asciilifeform;more like a soviet nomenklatura's grocery store 546897;1393985300;mircea_popescu;basically the guy spent five years on his cot trying to avoid the realisation that he was a fucking idiot 546898;1393985310;mircea_popescu;you don't pee on the mains, you plug stuff in. 546899;1393985334;asciilifeform;nope. chronicle details the fact dawning on him. 546900;1393985344;mircea_popescu;a so good then 546901;1393985362;asciilifeform;quoted tidbit was about the futility of simply offering a cop benjamins on the spot to send him off 546902;1393985366;Duffer1;just searched the church in stick of truth 546903;1393985376;Duffer1;found 'boy sized leash' 546904;1393985379;decimation;as you wrote ascii, the chumps grind and chirp as they go through the machine 546905;1393985420;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the same woman that got punished for failing to admit her sluttery 546906;1393985434;mircea_popescu;is also legally protected should she wish to go topless parading by the barracks 546907;1393985483;ThickAsThieves;burn your bra, but don't touch that flag 546908;1393985537;mircea_popescu;alternatively, "in briar patch, foot hurt ; in forest, head hurt" said the mongoloid. 546909;1393985549;mircea_popescu;perhaps it doesn't have as much to do with the environment as one'd think 546910;1393985569;ThickAsThieves;lol twitter is advertising a prospectus to me 546911;1393985581;moiety;i've been up for two days, im going to bed now, night all :) 546912;1393985587;ThickAsThieves;Fantex Brokerage Service 546913;1393985594;ThickAsThieves;nite 546914;1393985607;ThickAsThieves;Check out the Fantex Vernon Davis IPO on http://fntx.co/OGu8iV pic.twitter.com/eFSyHooy8a 546915;1393985614;ThickAsThieves;lol 546916;1393985660;mircea_popescu;i have no idea how fucktarded they have to be to advertise ipos on twitter. 546917;1393985686;mircea_popescu;i mean a) it clearly labels you as a scammer, as only they do it ; b) it can't possibly give roi, even as a scammer ; c) srsly. 546918;1393985711;ThickAsThieves;twitter is reduced to being on the ActiveMining board 546919;1393985722;decimation;maybe they can monetize retweets 546920;1393986039;ThickAsThieves;http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/04/285887838/teen-sues-parents-claiming-they-owe-her-money-for-college 546921;1393986040;ozbot;Teen Sues Parents, Claiming They Owe Her Money For College : The Two-Way : NPR 546922;1393986064;ThickAsThieves;Bogaard also "noted that Rachel Canning's behavior over the past year has been in question," reports CBS 2 TV: "one or two school suspensions, drinking, losing her captaincy on the cheerleading squad and being kicked out of the campus ministry." 546923;1393986083;asciilifeform;log.*assets has borked utf8! 546924;1393986084;asciilifeform;shame. 546925;1393986122;ThickAsThieves;i have a new slogan for kako's brand building 546926;1393986133;ThickAsThieves;Superservitude with an attitude. 546927;1393986146;mircea_popescu;caning eh ? 546928;1393986187;asciilifeform;doktor prescribes - gasenwagen. 546929;1393986251;mircea_popescu;nah 546930;1393986258;mircea_popescu;cheerleaders should be beaten not killed. 546931;1393986268;mircea_popescu;you can gas her mom if you absolutely must drakulize 546932;1393986518;kakobrekla;hrm that used to work. 546933;1393986590;kakobrekla;it never ends with this log, it ell you. 546934;1393986608;ThickAsThieves;"You a female; I'm a dude. I'm not learning nothing from you. I just want to see you. So whatever you're talking about, I probably don't really care. I wanna just look at you." 546935;1393986618;benkay`;curse of the web, kakobrekla 546936;1393986619;ThickAsThieves;re: why there are no female rappers 546937;1393986633;asciilifeform;http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/anatomy-of-a-fusion-press-release/ 546938;1393986633;ozbot;Anatomy of a Fusion press release | Locklin on science 546939;1393986644;asciilifeform;'A NIF whistleblower, Lee Scott Hall, was brutally stabbed to death in 1999. Hall was one of the NIF designers. I didnt know him, but I know people who knew him. He definitely wasnt into any shady business, and by all accounts was a straight shooter and a decent guy. This really looks like a man was stabbed to death for pointing out that NIF couldnt work (or that the director didnt have a Ph.D.) 546940;1393986644;asciilifeform;. Sure, nobody knows who killed him, but this is at least as shady as anything Ive heard of happening in Russia. This sort of thing has happened quite a few times to whistleblowers at the Department of Energy.' 546941;1393986675;benkay`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497289.0;all 546942;1393986677;ozbot;Peter R's theory on the collapse of MtGox and its effect on the price of bitcoin 546943;1393986781;kakobrekla;Х хЦ цЧ чШ шЩ щЪ ъЫ ыЬ ьЭ эЮ юЯ я 546944;1393986796;mircea_popescu;" I didnt know him, but I know people who knew him. He definitely wasnt into any shady business" << dat fiat wot. 546945;1393986798;kakobrekla;hm 546946;1393986812;ThickAsThieves;You should answer "yes" to the whistleblower program question if you wish to avail yourself of these additional confidentiality protections, even if you are not interested in being eligible for a whistleblower award. 546947;1393986813;mircea_popescu;seriously ? who in his right mind can say this ? 546948;1393986819;mircea_popescu;then we wonder why locklin doesn't get bitcoin. 546949;1393986829;mircea_popescu;he doesn't want to. cause admitting how fucking stupid he is would burn. 546950;1393986844;ThickAsThieves;Please be aware that these additional confidentiality protections may in some cases limit or delay the SEC's ability to disclose your identity to certain other agencies, regulators or other third parties. For that reason, we suggest you check "no" if you are submitting your information in order to seek our assistance to resolve an issue 546951;1393986861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00484373 = 0.9687 BTC [+] {5} 546952;1393986868;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from an earlier interaction, i concluded that he gets it but is stuck in the place where you were in 2010 (?) 546953;1393986875;ThickAsThieves;In addition, if you do not wish to be considered for an award and you intend for us to coordinate with another government agency or regulator, checking "no" may help facilitate this process. 546954;1393986878;asciilifeform;that is, 'look at the flies, it must be a turd' 546955;1393986899;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but look at it. i used to think i can make such representations of people, until i was about 17 or so. 546956;1393986916;mircea_popescu;do you know anyone through others who you can vouch for as he does ? 546957;1393986923;asciilifeform;nope 546958;1393986928;mircea_popescu;well how can this be. 546959;1393986931;asciilifeform;NIF remains a boondoggle. 546960;1393986939;mircea_popescu;no argument 546961;1393986945;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves wut you on about spammor 546962;1393986953;ThickAsThieves;sry 546963;1393986962;ThickAsThieves;just thought it was funny 546964;1393986968;ThickAsThieves;from SEC's report a scam page 546965;1393986982;mircea_popescu;incredibly arrogant these schmucks 546966;1393986998;mircea_popescu;"o, we have a webpage". great. so does any 14 yo singer-songwriter. 546967;1393986998;asciilifeform;'Two NIF whistleblowers who didnt die, Les Mikosy and Luciana C. Messina, were ignored, then fired in 2003. They were involved in the code that was supposed to simulate the laser/plasma/X-ray interaction, and detected actual fraud in it. Not a peep from anyone about their assertions, which seem to have been proven true, or the lawsuit they filed against LLNL (it was dismissed; yay objective court system!).' 546968;1393986998;BingoBoingo;Inner workings of a chumpatron http://www.sbnation.com/2014/3/4/5468468/wwe-pro-wrestling-stories-creative 546969;1393987020;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how come nobody killed lucy c ? 546970;1393987043;asciilifeform;why kill when you can 'lower into bitchdom' 546971;1393987056;mircea_popescu;why didn't they make the straight shooter guy into a twink then 546972;1393987091;asciilifeform;idk, i wasn't there - but it was either tried to no result, or not attempted for good reason, i'd bet. 546973;1393987110;mircea_popescu;or perhaps the entire construction is orthogonal. 546974;1393987120;mircea_popescu;benkay` da fuck is peter r 546975;1393987170;mircea_popescu;jesus look at that, complete with coelho-esque quotes and the new yorker "narrative" devices. 546976;1393987185;mircea_popescu;why so many hipsters ? 546977;1393987205;asciilifeform;http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Livermore-Engineer-s-Mysterious-Death-3240466.php 546978;1393987227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00082977 = 6.0158 BTC [+] 546979;1393987256;asciilifeform;my take (You Heard It Here First (tm) !) 546980;1393987262;asciilifeform;locklin is off the mark 546981;1393987273;asciilifeform;Hall was zapped because he grabbed the brass ring. 546982;1393987282;asciilifeform;and threatened to take it somewhere useful 546983;1393987288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1970 @ 0.000183 = 0.3605 BTC [-] 546984;1393987293;asciilifeform;brass ring -> pure laser-initiated fusion 546985;1393987300;asciilifeform;(not necessarily of the controlled kind) 546986;1393987308;asciilifeform;thermonuke without fissiles 546987;1393987310;asciilifeform;holy grail. 546988;1393987311;mircea_popescu;maybe he got depressed over not finding any nailguns. 546989;1393987327;asciilifeform;pop one, instant glass parking lot, no fallout 546990;1393987338;asciilifeform;and no rare materials needed 546991;1393987340;benkay`;how should I know who peter r is - nobody's paying me for my research 546992;1393987340;asciilifeform;to build. 546993;1393987350;benkay`;"research" "swamp wading" 546994;1393987356;benkay`;"pig wrestling" 546995;1393987390;mircea_popescu;do you know the traditional first date romanian joke titled "taci si suge" (ie, shut it and suck it!) ? 546996;1393987403;mod6;haha 546997;1393987449;benkay`;sounds translation-worthy... 546998;1393987479;mircea_popescu;bad wolf busts into snow white's cavern, offers her a simple deal : 546999;1393987486;mircea_popescu;either she sucks him off or he eats her midgets. 547000;1393987497;mircea_popescu;snow white agrees to suck him off. 547001;1393987505;mircea_popescu;at some point wolf eats three midgets. 547002;1393987510;mircea_popescu;"but wolf! you said..." 547003;1393987515;mircea_popescu;shut it and suck it. 547004;1393987517;mircea_popescu;so she does. 547005;1393987527;mircea_popescu;and after a while... the wolf... eats another three midgets 547006;1393987531;mircea_popescu;"but!" 547007;1393987532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.13311598 = 0.7987 BTC [-] 547008;1393987534;mircea_popescu;shut it and suck it! 547009;1393987544;mircea_popescu;and after yet another while, the wolf eats another three midgets 547010;1393987567;asciilifeform;underflow! 547011;1393987587;mircea_popescu;at which point the chick points out that there's only seven midgets and you point out that she shouldn't be making that kind of noise. 547012;1393987611;mod6;haha 547013;1393987619;mircea_popescu;bout 50-50. 547014;1393987621;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu do the dot test 547015;1393987633;mircea_popescu;brb gathering dots. 547016;1393987650;mircea_popescu;8 D 547017;1393987651;asciilifeform;there is a related soviet joke. abramowitch (generic jew, not the oligarch) calls a friend who was over for dinner last night: 547018;1393987660;asciilifeform;'we're short of a few silver spoons. shame on you'; 547019;1393987666;asciilifeform;friend denies 547020;1393987681;asciilifeform;next day, A calls again 'we found the spoons. but the stain on your reputation... it remains.' 547021;1393987690;kakobrekla;ok dunno seems everything works again 547022;1393987693;kakobrekla;cept the dots. 547023;1393987703;mircea_popescu;lmao 547024;1393987727;mircea_popescu;see, locklin is no jew. 547025;1393987797;mircea_popescu;anyway. off to practice with the midgets. gl all. 547026;1393987801;kakobrekla;ah i see it now its fine, the long just shortened your dick. 547027;1393987802;asciilifeform;night night 547028;1393987805;kakobrekla;log* 547029;1393987808;kakobrekla;fuck 547030;1393987809;kakobrekla;bad typo 547031;1393987813;mircea_popescu;and remember : always be nice with all newcomers. they could be as retarded as historically was the case. 547032;1393988691;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00479101 = 0.2635 BTC [-] 547033;1393989240;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.57390463 = 7.4608 BTC [-] {10} 547034;1393989301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2987 @ 0.00082977 = 2.4785 BTC [+] 547035;1393989545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00464999 = 0.2557 BTC [-] 547036;1393989606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00083001 = 7.1381 BTC [+] 547037;1393989867;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=500633.msg5515929#msg5515929 547038;1393989869;ozbot;Leancy - Allegedly hacked by their host - Avoid deposits 547039;1393989911;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00082771 = 5.9181 BTC [-] {2} 547040;1393990155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0048 = 0.264 BTC [-] 547041;1393990340;Duffer1;Dr. Forehead ouch 547042;1393990362;BigBlx;yoooooooo 547043;1393990369;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498302.0 547044;1393990370;ozbot;Eternal Bitcoin Bonds by Usagi 547045;1393990372;Duffer1;ni hao 547046;1393990388;kakobrekla;· 547047;1393990395;BigBlx;did you guys resolve the aurora/litecoin bet? 547048;1393990412;kakobrekla;· 547049;1393990426;Duffer1;brb i feel i may need some popcorn 547050;1393990434;kakobrekla;thats interesting. 547051;1393990444;kakobrekla;my dots work, mps dont. 547052;1393990460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00464999 = 0.2557 BTC [-] 547053;1393990476;Duffer1;how are you creating the dot? 547054;1393990528;kakobrekla;by pressing on the button :) 547055;1393990556;Duffer1;on my old keyboard alt0153 at a leisurely pace created ™ just fine, but on my new keyboard I have to type it ultra fast for some reason.. 547056;1393990589;kakobrekla;anyway cyrillic should work nao asciilifeform 547057;1393990656;Duffer1;bigblx do you have a link for the bet you're talking about? 547058;1393990765;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0048 = 0.264 BTC [+] 547059;1393990887;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 455 @ 0.00088995 = 0.4049 BTC [+] {2} 547060;1393990948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 122 @ 0.00089 = 0.1086 BTC [+] 547061;1393991009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14945 @ 0.00083001 = 12.4045 BTC [+] 547062;1393991131;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00464999 = 0.2557 BTC [-] 547063;1393991436;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00479629 = 0.3885 BTC [+] {3} 547064;1393991536;ThickAsThieves;• 547065;1393991680;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0896011 = 0.1792 BTC [-] 547066;1393991682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] 547067;1393991802;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00457008 = 0.1828 BTC [-] {2} 547068;1393992028;BingoBoingo;#DangerZone 547069;1393993235;kakobrekla;ah 547070;1393993252;kakobrekla;he is talking about THE current bet Duffer1 547071;1393993274;kakobrekla;which is simultaneously most fucked up bet evah. 547072;1393993293;Duffer1;the alt coin market cap bet? 547073;1393993297;kakobrekla;mhm 547074;1393993328;Duffer1;ya i figured 547075;1393994425;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21283 @ 0.00083021 = 17.6694 BTC [+] {2} 547076;1393995218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00082693 = 9.8405 BTC [-] {2} 547077;1393995584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00083033 = 5.6462 BTC [+] 547078;1393996011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00576359 = 0.5764 BTC [-] {7} 547079;1393996133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07699998 = 0.616 BTC [+] {3} 547080;1393996194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4406 @ 0.00082589 = 3.6389 BTC [-] {2} 547081;1393996499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00083033 = 7.473 BTC [+] 547082;1393997067;BingoBoingo;http://www.twincities.com/business/ci_25037984/dont-panic-but-that-public-wi-fi-is 547083;1393997067;ozbot;Don't panic, but that public Wi-Fi is coming from ... inside your house - TwinCities.com 547084;1393997286;mod6;``im fine with it'' << lol derp 547085;1393997475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00082764 = 5.0486 BTC [-] 547086;1393997719;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59990997 BTC [+] 547087;1393997780;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59990989 BTC [-] 547088;1393998573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.0008256 = 8.5862 BTC [-] 547089;1393999854;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.03239999 = 0.1944 BTC [-] {3} 547090;1393999915;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.03239999 = 0.1944 BTC [-] {2} 547091;1393999976;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.000825 = 9.5288 BTC [-] {3} 547092;1393999976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.03239999 = 0.1296 BTC [-] {2} 547093;1394000037;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.03239999 = 0.1296 BTC [-] {2} 547094;1394000041;pennies;;-; 547095;1394000098;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.03299999 = 0.165 BTC [+] 547096;1394000587;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.589 BTC [-] 547097;1394000708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 998 @ 0.00082764 = 0.826 BTC [+] 547098;1394000830;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57003008 BTC [-] 547099;1394001162;MisterE;dammit losing money 547100;1394001380;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 996 @ 0.00018 = 0.1793 BTC [-] 547101;1394001501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 198 @ 0.00479999 = 0.9504 BTC [+] {2} 547102;1394001684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6318 @ 0.00083033 = 5.246 BTC [+] 547103;1394001821;BingoBoingo;MisterE: In what? 547104;1394001832;MisterE;fucking nmc 547105;1394001837;MisterE;had no business in there 547106;1394001852;MisterE;got greedyyesterday 547107;1394001869;MisterE;I'm still in the black but... 547108;1394001917;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Has NMC had any momentum after 2011? 547109;1394001930;MisterE;Blockchain's news was disappointing 547110;1394001938;MisterE;yea it did yesterday 547111;1394001938;BingoBoingo;What news? 547112;1394001947;MisterE;they are an exchange now 547113;1394001953;BingoBoingo;Orly? 547114;1394001958;MisterE;annouced and pre-hyped on bloomberg 547115;1394001959;MisterE;yea 547116;1394001967;BingoBoingo;Linx plox? 547117;1394001971;MisterE;so market shat after that dud 547118;1394001989;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00082758 = 11.1723 BTC [-] {2} 547119;1394001999;BingoBoingo;benkay 547120;1394002005;MisterE;dunno wtf people were expecting... Magic The Gathering cards for everyone who had BTC in Gox... 547121;1394002013;BingoBoingo;;;eauth BingoBoingo 547122;1394002014;gribble;Request successful for user BingoBoingo, hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/309BB8D7F3251143 547123;1394002040;MisterE;;;eauth MisterE 547124;1394002040;gribble;Request successful for user MisterE, hostmask MisterE!~MisterE@unaffiliated/mistere. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C97817F2EE7504A3 547125;1394002049;BingoBoingo;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:6708d41118170ae49785e8fc104616a172d609f0329a1f092a0271aa 547126;1394002050;gribble;You are now authenticated for user BingoBoingo with key 309BB8D7F3251143 547127;1394002066;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Do you want to try something riskier? 547128;1394002071;MisterE;lol 547129;1394002096;MisterE;I didnt say no 547130;1394002100;MisterE;:p 547131;1394002109;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Actual returns might be possible. 547132;1394002199;theviper;Bro., DO you even trade? 547133;1394002225;BingoBoingo;MisterE: If we can figure out how to make something like http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2014#546112 honest 547134;1394002260;MisterE;like day trade? 547135;1394002264;MisterE;not usually 547136;1394002282;MisterE;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1bd83fecf4cf9084af386187aa25a12b17cd81f5462d260bd259082e 547137;1394002283;gribble;You are now authenticated for user MisterE with key C97817F2EE7504A3 547138;1394002326;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Like staking sports betting, Similar to how poker is staked. The challenge is doing it in a way that the staked party can't fake the results into an honest looking loss. 547139;1394002347;BingoBoingo;And finding venues to bet on. 547140;1394002357;MisterE;what BTC really needs is a derivatives market 547141;1394002376;MisterE;sounds like a major security hassle tbh 547142;1394002395;MisterE;but I'll read the log give me a few 547143;1394002398;MisterE;ll :p 547144;1394002401;BingoBoingo;MisterE: No hassles so much as challenges 547145;1394002558;BingoBoingo;The challenge in BTC right now is that the only instrument which has really sustained honest loses is the MPOE bond 547146;1394002953;BingoBoingo;That example I linked in the logs is poorly structured, and in sports betting the actual likely best case is a 30%loss. 547147;1394002960;BingoBoingo;Poor opportunity. 547148;1394003087;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 239 @ 0.0048 = 1.1472 BTC [+] 547149;1394003160;BingoBoingo;;;rate artifexd_ 1 ATC trade 547150;1394003161;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. 547151;1394003175;BingoBoingo;;;rate artifexd 1 atc trade 547152;1394003176;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user artifexd has been recorded. 547153;1394003347;BingoBoingo;;;rate mircea_popescu 6 Rating upgraded for continued excellence in Bitcoin ventures 547154;1394003349;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 3 to 6. 547155;1394003393;BingoBoingo;;;rate benkay 2 Good at things he does 547156;1394003395;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user benkay has changed from 1 to 2. 547157;1394003461;BingoBoingo;;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 The Real Altcoin's Mother 547158;1394003462;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded. 547159;1394003688;BingoBoingo;;;rate kakobrekla 5 Superest Superservant 547160;1394003689;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 2 to 5. 547161;1394003781;BingoBoingo;;;rate paraipan 0 547162;1394003782;gribble;Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero. 547163;1394003791;BingoBoingo;;;unrate paraipan 547164;1394003792;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for paraipan. 547165;1394003807;BingoBoingo;;;unrate thebutterzone 547166;1394003808;gribble;Successfully removed your rating for thebutterzone. 547167;1394003942;BingoBoingo;;;rate thebutterzone 1 sells things 547168;1394003943;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thebutterzone has been recorded. 547169;1394004002;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00463034 = 0.2825 BTC [-] {2} 547170;1394004058;dub;;;rate BingoBoingo -1 suspected spammer 547171;1394004059;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. 547172;1394004192;BingoBoingo;lol 547173;1394004563;BingoBoingo;;;rate dub 1 Not stinky 547174;1394004564;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dub has been recorded. 547175;1394005448;*;jurov smells BigoBoingo 547176;1394005472;jurov;aww... booze 547177;1394005474;BingoBoingo;jurov: I dun smell too good right nao 547178;1394005568;BingoBoingo;I drank vodka and ate a half wheel of Maytag Blue cheese. 547179;1394005607;BingoBoingo;Imma be lucky if my farts don't kill me before I wake up tomorrow afternoon 547180;1394005674;jurov;don't fart near open fire 547181;1394005702;BingoBoingo;I'll try not to 547182;1394005832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00083029 = 4.7327 BTC [+] 547183;1394005893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00083052 = 5.4814 BTC [+] {2} 547184;1394006869;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 119 @ 0.00463034 = 0.551 BTC [-] 547185;1394007357;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.0008302 = 8.2605 BTC [-] {2} 547186;1394007723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2060 @ 0.00083007 = 1.7099 BTC [-] {2} 547187;1394007784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4840 @ 0.00082811 = 4.0081 BTC [-] 547188;1394008516;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00082808 = 3.4365 BTC [-] {2} 547189;1394009248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00082747 = 8.5229 BTC [-] {2} 547190;1394009614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3293 @ 0.0008266 = 2.722 BTC [-] 547191;1394009637;adrrrr;#bitcoin Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited 547192;1394010102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0429998 = 0.258 BTC [-] {2} 547193;1394010712;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2360 @ 0.00082648 = 1.9505 BTC [-] 547194;1394011993;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00479975 = 0.3696 BTC [+] 547195;1394012481;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.0055 = 0.3575 BTC 547196;1394013153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.0047 = 0.4982 BTC [-] {2} 547197;1394013213;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.0008948 = 0.2684 BTC [+] 547198;1394013274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.0008306 = 4.7344 BTC [+] 547199;1394013396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59449498 = 1.189 BTC [+] {2} 547200;1394013457;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59498997 BTC [+] 547201;1394013945;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00479985 = 0.2928 BTC [+] {2} 547202;1394014921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07550007 = 0.3775 BTC [-] {3} 547203;1394014982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07500017 = 0.45 BTC [-] {2} 547204;1394014983;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 54 @ 0.00298018 = 0.1609 BTC [-] 547205;1394015226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07237016 = 0.579 BTC [-] {5} 547206;1394015287;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07211225 = 0.1442 BTC [-] {2} 547207;1394015348;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0720415 = 0.2161 BTC [-] {2} 547208;1394015349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5799 @ 0.00082811 = 4.8022 BTC [-] 547209;1394015349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.13361787 = 0.2672 BTC [+] 547210;1394015645;mircea_popescu;so i have a short statement re : http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/ 547211;1394015677;mircea_popescu;it will resolve as yes presently. coinmarketcap.com is henceforth banned as a source on bitbet. 547212;1394015692;mircea_popescu;sorry, sanity. i tried. 547213;1394015897;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00479989 = 0.2688 BTC [+] {2} 547214;1394015898;punkman1;oh MazaCoin is 5th in volume now, http://coinmarketcap.com/volume.html#mzc 547215;1394015949;punkman1;and here is aurora for spain, http://spaincoin.es/ 547216;1394015991;mircea_popescu;by now you can just edit the page, write random numbers. just as reflective of reality. 547217;1394016003;punkman1;pretty much 547218;1394016007;mircea_popescu;they should probably relaunch as a wiki, "the fake mkt cap numbers anyone can edit" 547219;1394016034;punkman1;there's like 3 dozen altcoin "exchanges" ready to add any random scamcoin 547220;1394016035;mircea_popescu;we need price signal, this is ridiculous 547221;1394016055;mircea_popescu;i mean, intellectually ridiculous. back in 2011 bruce wagner's antics made bitcoin easy to dismiss as "that cp ring" 547222;1394016073;mircea_popescu;now this bullshit makes bitcoin easy to dismiss as "indian highschool tomfoolery" 547223;1394016265;punkman1;"mine MinerTokens, rent more mining power to mine more MinerTokens to rent more mining power to mine more MinerTokens..... You can see where I'm going with this." 547224;1394016275;mircea_popescu;heh 547225;1394016306;punkman1;surprised there's not a dozen of these already 547226;1394016324;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00089498 = 0.179 BTC [+] 547227;1394016359;punkman1;"Our minerrigs will be avaible for rent from launch. A total of 1.6 Gh scrypt will be rentet out for 50,000 MTK/Mh/day. When your total rent pass 1000 Mh you will be the legal owner of a 5Mh rig. You can then chose to continue let us host it and get 80% of the rentalprofit or you can get it shipped to your door" 547228;1394016488;mircea_popescu;which one is this ? 547229;1394016494;punkman1;the MinerTokens 547230;1394016498;mircea_popescu;wait, literally minertokens ? 547231;1394016499;mircea_popescu;jesus. 547232;1394016517;punkman1;you pay in minertokens to rent minertoken mining rigs 547233;1394016679;punkman1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=483295.0 547234;1394016681;ozbot;[ANN][COM] COMRADE - New Innovative MinerStakeholder Concept - Profit for People 547235;1394016695;punkman1;these guys want 0.1btc to let you mine or something 547236;1394016725;punkman1;"-StakeHolder-Miners pay a fee of 0.1BTC to register. Miner-Stake holders who pay the fee for early mining access will be known as THE GENERALS" 547237;1394016769;mircea_popescu;THE SUPERBLY GRANDIOSE WUNDERBARS 547238;1394016818;punkman1;"COMRADE crypto movement designed to replicate the economic tactics used by the Comrade leaders of the USSR to rise the Soviet Union from the Ashes to what become the most powerful nation in the world (at the time)." 547239;1394017301;mircea_popescu;no 547240;1394017304;mircea_popescu;you're kidding me right ? 547241;1394017606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00082983 = 11.2027 BTC [+] {2} 547242;1394017849;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697949 = 0.154 BTC [+] {2} 547243;1394018093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16327 @ 0.00082936 = 13.541 BTC [-] {2} 547244;1394018135;ThickAsThieves;i had bet yes on the areolacoin bet btw 547245;1394018141;ThickAsThieves;i saw no other outcome 547246;1394018205;ThickAsThieves;comrade coin says "COMMUNIST" on it 547247;1394018337;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697537 = 0.154 BTC [-] {2} 547248;1394018398;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.0008291 = 7.0059 BTC [-] {3} 547249;1394018703;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.0046 = 9.2 BTC [-] {15} 547250;1394018764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2750 @ 0.00452665 = 12.4483 BTC [-] {8} 547251;1394018825;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00450334 = 4.5033 BTC [-] {11} 547252;1394018948;punkman1;ThickAsThieves: maybe ATC needs some dice http://altdice.net/ 547253;1394019313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00082687 = 7.6485 BTC [-] {2} 547254;1394019374;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697229 = 0.1539 BTC [-] 547255;1394019582;ThickAsThieves;know someone reputable to make/run it? 547256;1394020959;cazalla;at what point do these alts collapse under their own weight? 547257;1394021013;dub;when the one true altcoin rises to engulf them 547258;1394021143;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07697227 = 0.1539 BTC [-] 547259;1394021693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0057499 = 0.1092 BTC [+] 547260;1394021875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3329 @ 0.00082582 = 2.7492 BTC [-] 547261;1394022013;punkman1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=476411.0 547262;1394022014;ozbot;MuCoWa - A MultiCoinWallet to your service - Update now: 1.3.0 Quark added 547263;1394022019;punkman1;"Since the code is obfuscated, would it be possible to monitor the web traffic going out from the wallet to make sure it never sends private keys anywhere?" 547264;1394022167;mircea_popescu;winner. 547265;1394022282;mircea_popescu;cazalla about 18 weeks 547266;1394022424;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00083063 = 4.8177 BTC [+] 547267;1394022586;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves ya well, so good for you. 547268;1394022607;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00451 = 0.1804 BTC [+] 547269;1394022668;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.000831 = 12.3404 BTC [+] {2} 547270;1394022949;mircea_popescu;soo apparently the niagara has frozxen over 547271;1394022979;mircea_popescu;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2572681/Niagara-Falls-comes-frozen-halt-AGAIN-subfreezing-temperatures-freeze-millions-gallons-water-normally-flow-Falls.html 547272;1394022979;ozbot;Niagara Falls comes to frozen halt AGAIN as subfreezing temperatures freeze water | Mail Online 547273;1394023095;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 219 @ 0.0045 = 0.9855 BTC [-] {4} 547274;1394023097;chetty;23% thought an "MP3" was a "Star Wars" robot 547275;1394023177;chetty;42% said they believed a "motherboard" was "the deck of a cruise ship" 547276;1394023339;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6442 @ 0.00082552 = 5.318 BTC [-] 547277;1394023339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1022 @ 0.00018777 = 0.1919 BTC [-] 547278;1394023888;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.0445 = 0.1335 BTC [+] 547279;1394025474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00082817 = 8.3645 BTC [+] {2} 547280;1394026390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16202 @ 0.00082505 = 13.3675 BTC [-] {3} 547281;1394026755;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.09199995 = 0.368 BTC [+] {2} 547282;1394026756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [-] 547283;1394026816;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00464998 = 0.3487 BTC [+] 547284;1394026877;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1502 @ 0.00018799 = 0.2824 BTC [+] {2} 547285;1394027023;ThickAsThieves;https://medium.com/p/b64cf5912aa7 547286;1394027304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-] 547287;1394027619;chetty;The snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders, according to a leaked phone conversation between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign affairs minister, which has emerged online. 547288;1394027674;asciilifeform;chetty: this is not news to me 547289;1394027701;chetty;well the tape is news :P 547290;1394027707;mircea_popescu;the tape is news. 547291;1394027709;asciilifeform;yes, it is. 547292;1394027767;asciilifeform;(but not in the u.s. media, unsurprisingly.) 547293;1394027930;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: nsa shills. 547294;1394028132;asciilifeform;'SSL is one of very few crypto systems thats in daily usage by hundreds of millions of people. Remarkably, it seems that governments have not compromised the infrastructure.' 547295;1394028135;asciilifeform;trololol 547296;1394028160;mircea_popescu;lol 547297;1394028170;mircea_popescu;well yeah, most governments haven't. 547298;1394028180;asciilifeform;'Usability studies have shown nobody outside of the tiny security community understands the web of trust or how to use it.' 547299;1394028181;mircea_popescu;euros because they're too lazy to do it, and prefer to suckle on the us drip, 547300;1394028189;mircea_popescu;and north korea because too stupid. 547301;1394028207;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform :D chump selection techniques. 547302;1394028214;asciilifeform;'Its not clear how you would build a secure way to initialise the Trezor, as youd need to use an untrusted computer to present trusted keys into the device. A virus (MITM) could intercept and rewrite the keys as they were being loaded into the device. Unless you had key fingerprints written down on paper, itd be impossible to notice a mismatch. Pre-agreed root certs installed at the factory solve this 547303;1394028214;asciilifeform;problem.' 547304;1394028216;asciilifeform;ahahahaha 547305;1394028223;mircea_popescu;there are 2 sorts of people in this world, and they're made apparent by the reaction to the statement "few understand this" 547306;1394028223;asciilifeform;this is just too good 547307;1394028232;mircea_popescu;type 1 is no longer interested. type 2 is now very interested. 547308;1394028280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8687 @ 0.00082483 = 7.1653 BTC [-] 547309;1394028515;ThickAsThieves;maybe one/both of you should write a rebuttal 547310;1394028524;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.0008246 = 10.225 BTC [-] 547311;1394028529;ThickAsThieves;before he takes the bitcoin jesus torch 547312;1394028537;asciilifeform;why now and not after 547313;1394028768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4463 @ 0.00082483 = 3.6812 BTC [+] 547314;1394028857;mircea_popescu;lol 547315;1394028860;ThickAsThieves;parachutes? 547316;1394028885;asciilifeform;btc jizzus is no catastrophe 547317;1394028889;mircea_popescu;^ 547318;1394028903;mircea_popescu;who are you quoting anyway 547319;1394028908;ThickAsThieves;hearn 547320;1394028939;Apocalyptic;<asciilifeform> [15:03:49] this is just too good // it is 547321;1394028954;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: https://medium.com/p/b64cf5912aa7 547322;1394029020;ThickAsThieves;"Anyone can buy or sell the currency, but the Lakota are keeping half of it in reserve in order to prevent the wild speculation that has caused Bitcoin such price volatility. ... After an hour of questions, Harris thanked the small crowd and was promptly accosted by a tall man and a woman in red who wanted to buy some MazaCoin, which Harris was selling for 10 cents apiece. The two 547323;1394029021;ThickAsThieves;trailed him around the room as he hunted for a printer so he could issue the digital currency on paper. " 547324;1394029037;ThickAsThieves;... 547325;1394029052;ThickAsThieves;"We’ve gone through 100 years of imposed poverty. That’s the fight we’re having" 547326;1394029083;asciilifeform;the traditional de-colonialization move from imposed to... self-imposed 547327;1394029208;ThickAsThieves;"CIA officers allegedly hacked into the US Senate Intelligence Committee's computers to find out what the oversight committee had found out about its controversial detention and treatment of terror suspects.‬" 547328;1394029229;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, thanks for the link 547329;1394029259;Apocalyptic;this Hearn is a gold mine 547330;1394029304;mike_c;"being a CA involves tedious, mind-numbingly repetitive yet security critical work that unpaid volunteers are ill equipped to do well. " has he ever gone through the process of getting a SSL cert?? they don't do shit. 547331;1394029317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2930 @ 0.00082724 = 2.4238 BTC [+] 547332;1394029330;asciilifeform;they're experts at vacuuming $$$$$ 547333;1394029345;mike_c;the bullshit per line in that article is astounding. 547334;1394029353;chetty;A Florida woman has gone head to head with a local judge who has declared her efforts to live off the grid illegal and in violation of local and international code ordinances. 547335;1394029376;ThickAsThieves;i dont even know what a SSL really does, nor am I a programmer, but I have successfully purchased and installed one on a system I advised the client was not really secure 547336;1394029378;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10070 @ 0.0008262 = 8.3198 BTC [-] 547337;1394029378;asciilifeform;chetty: link ? 547338;1394029409;ThickAsThieves;it took like 5min 547339;1394029445;chetty;http://www.offthegridnews.com/2013/12/16/florida-city-evicting-woman-for-living-off-the-grid/ 547340;1394029528;punkman1;http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/behold-arscoin-our-own-custom-cryptocurrency/ 547341;1394029528;ozbot;Behold Arscoin, our own custom cryptocurrency | Ars Technica 547342;1394029569;asciilifeform;chetty: surprised ? 547343;1394029600;ThickAsThieves;asscoins heh 547344;1394029666;ThickAsThieves;buyer of coingen.io http://super3.org/ 547345;1394029739;ThickAsThieves;he looks like he's 17 547346;1394029744;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 497 @ 0.0045 = 2.2365 BTC [-] {7} 547347;1394029751;chetty;asciilifeform: nope it was inevitable really 547348;1394029801;ThickAsThieves;"I asked my wife what she would trade for 5,000 Arscoins. Her answer: “A kiss?” Boom! A market had been created." lol 547349;1394029807;asciilifeform;chetty: beautifully described in 'The Art of Not Being Governed', J. C. Scott 547350;1394029854;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves lmao hearn. 547351;1394029897;Apocalyptic;"The user experience must be incredibly simple", "The main justification for this design choice is usability. In the same way that security cannot be bolted on at the last minute, the reverse also holds — you can’t bolt usability on to a secure system that was designed without human beings in mind" 547352;1394029911;Apocalyptic;I see a powerfull parallel with http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ here 547353;1394029915;mircea_popescu;mike_c he's just trying to misrepresent himself into relevancy 547354;1394029932;Apocalyptic;yeah don't focus on how shit has to be done, focus on the people fss ! 547355;1394029939;mircea_popescu;pretty much the foundation halmark. it's due to the failure modes of the ycombinated mind. 547356;1394029965;mircea_popescu;wait i wrote that ?! 547357;1394029970;asciilifeform;'a secure system that was designed without human beings in mind' 547358;1394029975;*;asciilifeform only designs for fellow Orcs 547359;1394029992;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, no the quotes are from Hearn 547360;1394030002;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic i was shocked at the trilema link 547361;1394030006;mircea_popescu;i totally forgot i wrote that article. 547362;1394030015;mircea_popescu;i write too much ;/ 547363;1394030079;mircea_popescu;nice article. 547364;1394030110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00082858 = 5.5929 BTC [+] {2} 547365;1394030472;asciilifeform;http://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/31875/ 547366;1394030494;asciilifeform;original: 547367;1394030494;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=GHXSmNEg 547368;1394030673;Apocalyptic;interesting 547369;1394030686;r3wt;;;bcauth r3wt 547370;1394030687;gribble;Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.44.61. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:7abdae0508ae0bf19ba9ddebfc0b68c090c3f35af9f2e9230dd4db47 547371;1394030703;r3wt;greetings 547372;1394030781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00082967 = 3.775 BTC [+] 547373;1394030864;ThickAsThieves;hi 547374;1394030891;r3wt;hello super hackers 547375;1394030924;r3wt;i seek knowledge of prepared queries in php 547376;1394030930;r3wt;because i am not worthy 547377;1394030937;r3wt;and so i fail 547378;1394030998;chetty;Former IRS official Lois Lerner pleading the Fifth right now. <<< again 547379;1394031094;Apocalyptic;<r3wt> i seek knowledge of prepared queries in php // what happened to the LUA version ? 547380;1394031142;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zmgiq/new_side_channel_attack_that_can_recover_private/ 547381;1394031142;ozbot;New Side Channel Attack That Can Recover Private Keys : Bitcoin 547382;1394031156;ThickAsThieves;by guess who 547383;1394031158;ThickAsThieves;Hearn 547384;1394031166;asciilifeform;cache diddling is old hat. 547385;1394031172;ThickAsThieves;by guess what 547386;1394031174;ThickAsThieves;OpenSSl 547387;1394031204;r3wt;lua version is here 547388;1394031205;r3wt;http://162.248.6.58/login.lua 547389;1394031205;asciilifeform;i don't see a Hearn in that paper 547390;1394031231;ThickAsThieves;sorry, he's the one sharing it 547391;1394031238;r3wt;still working on the php version though as it could be along time until the lua version is actually ready for production. 547392;1394031269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.0008314 = 3.7829 BTC [+] 547393;1394031345;mircea_popescu;lol r3wt 547394;1394031348;r3wt;anyone wanna buy some fee shares? we're broke and need some more "development money". and by development money, i mean money to pay ourselves and buy more shit. 547395;1394031380;Mats_cd03;what are you building 547396;1394031391;mircea_popescu;and what are fee shares 547397;1394031400;r3wt;same thing we've been building. 547398;1394031404;r3wt;https://openex.pw 547399;1394031405;Mats_cd03;lua based exchange? 547400;1394031406;ozbot;OpenEx 547401;1394031410;punkman1;you share the fees of running the exchange 547402;1394031418;r3wt;started as php, now moving to lua 547403;1394031455;Apocalyptic;r3wt, you should IPO on MPex 547404;1394031466;r3wt;isn't that a scam? 547405;1394031501;Mats_cd03;did you use bootstrap for the frontend 547406;1394031520;r3wt;lol no, thats all from scratch 547407;1394031533;r3wt;ive never used bootstrap 547408;1394031566;r3wt;bootstrap is for the design challenged 547409;1394031567;Apocalyptic;<Apocalyptic> r3wt, you should IPO on MPex 547410;1394031567;Apocalyptic;<r3wt> isn't that a scam? // kako you need to bash this 547411;1394031574;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 547412;1394031609;r3wt;how does one "IPO on MPEX" and what are the benefits of doing so? 547413;1394031623;punkman1;r3wt: so are you currently smashing strings together to make SQL? 547414;1394031649;Mats_cd03;same as a usual IPO. raise virtual buttcoins 547415;1394031678;r3wt;unfortunately yes. that's why i'm here. i know mircea_popescu probably knows how to teach me to do it the right way 547416;1394031696;jcpham;mircea_popescu absolutely loves to teach people 547417;1394031708;jcpham;arguable one of his finest talests and favorite past-times 547418;1394031713;jcpham;*talents 547419;1394031725;Apocalyptic;yeah he does 547420;1394031744;Apocalyptic;though after you called his thing a scam not sure he will be most pleased and willing 547421;1394031770;jcpham;if i send monies will you thern reinvest my monies in riskier ventures 547422;1394031795;r3wt;Apocalyptic, i was talking about his securities exchange. i'm talking about the negative stigma associated with bitcoin ipo's 547423;1394031818;r3wt;wasn't** 547424;1394031825;Apocalyptic;r3wt, how is it worse than actual shares ? 547425;1394031825;Diablo-D3;yeah, fuck bitcoin IPOs 547426;1394031831;Diablo-D3;its not worth the trouble 547427;1394031831;ThickAsThieves;mp can handle noobs calling mpex a scam 547428;1394031835;Diablo-D3;no legitimate investors 547429;1394031838;jcpham;unless D3 mining on nvidia 547430;1394031842;Diablo-D3;all trolls expecting 1000% profit 547431;1394031847;Diablo-D3;in a week 547432;1394031850;*;jcpham throws money at million dollar datacenter 547433;1394031862;*;r3wt fails 547434;1394031869;Apocalyptic;in the way you get a contract, shares are traded on an 3rd party platform hopefully better built and you got access to liquidity you don't have at your exchange ? 547435;1394031869;Diablo-D3;jcpham: Im just doing it myself now 547436;1394031871;Diablo-D3;so much easier 547437;1394031873;Apocalyptic;among other things 547438;1394031883;jcpham;i'm teasing but at least you got the reference 547439;1394031885;jcpham;cool beans 547440;1394031953;ThickAsThieves;no one will accept an OpenEx IPO right now, other than CryptoStocks 547441;1394031964;ThickAsThieves;but then you'll be rubbing elbows with every scam of the week 547442;1394031976;r3wt;fuck that 547443;1394032009;r3wt;would it be wise to sell a portion of my business for capital? 547444;1394032027;r3wt;we have a few offers, none of them very good but i'm examining my options. 547445;1394032029;Diablo-D3;r3wt: dude 547446;1394032034;r3wt;i don't want to go back to hanging chickens at tyson 547447;1394032035;Diablo-D3;this is a fucking irc channel 547448;1394032054;Diablo-D3;and wtf is your business anyhow? 547449;1394032070;r3wt;this is an IRC channel? no fuckign way! 547450;1394032071;jcpham;tyson got bought by koch 547451;1394032087;Apocalyptic;r3wt, somehow since mcxnow came with the idea now it's seems to be a trend 547452;1394032113;Apocalyptic;*it 547453;1394032118;r3wt;please never compare us to mcxnow 547454;1394032140;r3wt;we aren't here to scam, we just needed start up money because we are poor fucks\ 547455;1394032144;punkman1;https://github.com/r3wt/openex/blob/master/models/funcs.general.php#L116 547456;1394032148;jcpham;mcxnow is legit compared to whatever this is 547457;1394032150;r3wt;and look, we actually delivered some 547458;1394032151;jcpham;at this moment 547459;1394032164;r3wt;its not great yet i know, but we are working hard everyday 547460;1394032183;jcpham;you need traction not publicity 547461;1394032211;jcpham;an organic userbase 547462;1394032214;punkman1;r3wt: that doesn't look very responsible 547463;1394032218;Diablo-D3;r3wt: what the fuck is your company 547464;1394032245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00083062 = 2.035 BTC [-] 547465;1394032268;Mats_cd03;ill fund you if you have 7% profit month over month for a year 547466;1394032271;jcpham;https://openex.pw/ 547467;1394032293;Mats_cd03;thats how investing works right 547468;1394032295;r3wt;any advice punkman1? 547469;1394032306;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0045 = 0.225 BTC [-] 547470;1394032333;punkman1;r3wt: mysql_real_escape_string is deprecated, maybe suspend trading for a while 547471;1394032342;jcpham;need moar pipe 547472;1394032409;r3wt;i meant advice on how to make prepared statements, because i'm actually just a noob with a dream. no college education, just read a book about php 547473;1394032413;ThickAsThieves;<r3wt> its not great yet i know, but we are working hard everyday // who is "we"? 547474;1394032418;artifexd;;;ident 547475;1394032419;gribble;Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is not identified. 547476;1394032423;r3wt;but yeah, i can shut the exchange down at anytime 547477;1394032441;jcpham;that's the gox and others example 547478;1394032450;jcpham;whoopsie. halt trading 547479;1394032455;r3wt;done 547480;1394032464;jcpham;all btc lost 547481;1394032474;ThickAsThieves;r3wtm the problem is you are a noob voluntering to be responsible with people's money, which noobness, particularly of the programmer variety, is least qualified to do 547482;1394032505;r3wt;trading is closed for now, this is my goal for the day. learn to use prepared statements and replace them throughout the site. 547483;1394032507;ThickAsThieves;taking investors piles it on 547484;1394032521;r3wt;any advice? 547485;1394032530;r3wt;or maybe a link to a guide? 547486;1394032601;r3wt;fuck it, i guess like everything else in life i have to learn this on my own. 547487;1394032603;r3wt;no worries 547488;1394032622;r3wt;i have one question. is mysqli safe enough or should i go for the pdo extension? 547489;1394032647;jcpham;normally i get paid to pick stuff apart 547490;1394032666;artifexd;r3wt You're asking programming questions in a channel about investing. Stackoverflow would be a good place to find answers to the type of questions you're asking. 547491;1394032682;punkman1;php.net has all the examples you need 547492;1394032715;r3wt;i'm banned from asking questions on stackoverflow 547493;1394032721;r3wt;i think 547494;1394032727;jcpham;wow 547495;1394032733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.0008314 = 4.5311 BTC [+] 547496;1394032751;artifexd;What's your so username? 547497;1394032765;Apocalyptic;jcpham, this gets better every line 547498;1394032778;*;jcpham backs away from the keyboard 547499;1394032808;artifexd;http://stackoverflow.com/users/2401804/r3wt 547500;1394032808;ozbot;User r3wt - Stack Overflow 547501;1394033046;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust r3wt 547502;1394033047;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user r3wt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=r3wt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=r3wt | Rated since: never 547503;1394033056;mircea_popescu;well i mean in principle, but gotta build up first. 547504;1394033089;mircea_popescu;how the fuck does one get banned on stack overflow 547505;1394033112;r3wt;i'm not banned, just banned from askign questions. look at the first two questions i asked and it should be all you need to know 547506;1394033166;*;r3wt shuns himself in the corner for 10 minutes 547507;1394033221;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9096 @ 0.00083159 = 7.5641 BTC [+] {2} 547508;1394033282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4654 @ 0.00083195 = 3.8719 BTC [+] 547509;1394033394;artifexd;http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/86997/what-can-i-do-when-getting-we-are-no-longer-accepting-questions-answers-from-th 547510;1394033395;ozbot;What can I do when getting "We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account"? - Meta 547511;1394033613;jcpham;;;gettrust mircea_popescu 547512;1394033614;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jcpham to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 25 via 23 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jcpham&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011 547513;1394033709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8981 @ 0.00083 = 7.4542 BTC [-] {2} 547514;1394033729;jcpham;sometimes i look at these trust graphs and ratings and i see emotion 547515;1394033802;mircea_popescu;sveet love an' devotion 547516;1394033807;nubbins`;hi 547517;1394033816;jcpham;hi nubbs 547518;1394033830;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE2l6CPna4M 547519;1394033831;ozbot;Worst music video ever - YouTube 547520;1394033836;nubbins`;came across this ^ last night 547521;1394033841;nubbins`;actually a pretty rad song 547522;1394033848;nubbins`;music video sucks tho ;( 547523;1394033849;jcpham;is it better than walls fall out 547524;1394033852;nubbins`;probably 547525;1394033860;nubbins`;it's just WAITING to be covered 547526;1394033923;jcpham;without the video, if i only heard it I would think it sucked less than i now think 547527;1394033928;jcpham;because i saw the video 547528;1394033929;nubbins`;nod 547529;1394033933;jcpham;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE2l6CPna4M 547530;1394033933;ozbot;Worst music video ever - YouTube 547531;1394033939;jcpham;nope 547532;1394033944;jcpham;not that one clipboard 547533;1394033954;jcpham;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZLl1CUT9s 547534;1394033954;r3wt;damnit to hell 547535;1394033954;ozbot;Walls Fall Out - OFFICIAL - YouTube 547536;1394033955;nubbins`;i was about halfway through my first viewing before i stopped laughing at the video and realized the song was awesome ;( 547537;1394033961;jcpham;that one clipboard, that one. 547538;1394033972;nubbins`;ooo, sign in to confirm my age! 547539;1394033981;jcpham;mmmmhmmmmm 547540;1394034043;nubbins`;AAAAAH 547541;1394034048;nubbins`;that was a dirty trick D; 547542;1394034075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00449999 = 0.108 BTC [-] 547543;1394034076;jcpham;i thought we were talking about the worst music videos ever 547544;1394034083;jcpham;i had a suggestion for that topic 547545;1394034094;nubbins`;i was just sharing a cool song D: 547546;1394034101;jcpham;yeah me too! 547547;1394034101;nubbins`;DDDDDDDDDD: 547548;1394034199;mircea_popescu;Someone stupid will ask me this: "then why doesn't Medicaid just offer a billing code for "need three evaluations, but likely no diagnosis?" Because if Fox News got wind that Obama was paying for black people to get "no diagnosis" they'd blow up an abortion clinic. Paying for "temper tantrums" is just the right amount of enraging, TV and internet enraging, no violence will occur. "Isn't this why we need universal he 547549;1394034199;mircea_popescu;althcare?" Well, lieutenant, pronounced like I'm a British naval commander, if we had a system of healthcare in which doctors were paid the exact same regardless of diagnosis or severity, then there'd be little attention paid to "correct" diagnosis, all of our epidemiological data would be totally invalid, and the number one drug in America would be Xanax. "Wait, isn't that the situation now?" Huh, nailed it. 547550;1394034306;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: more tlp ? 547551;1394034314;mircea_popescu;yes 547552;1394034380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00082967 = 1.6179 BTC [-] 547553;1394034539;mircea_popescu;http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/03/doomsday-cult-of-bitcoin.html 547554;1394034539;ozbot;The Doomsday Cult of Bitcoin -- Daily Intelligencer 547555;1394034542;mircea_popescu;check out this derp 547556;1394034581;Apocalyptic;my derp counter has overflown with Hearn today, i'll pass 547557;1394034618;mircea_popescu;"Partly this is because lawmakers and regulators, spooked by early hype and the Mt. Gox disaster, are never going to afford Bitcoin services the kind of autonomy they'd need in order to flourish. Partly it's because there are conceptual problems with the Bitcoin architecture itself. And partly it's because Bitcoin's anarchic roots are too fringe to draw in the masses. In the mind of the average American, the currency i 547558;1394034618;mircea_popescu;s now synonymous with theft, drugs, and techno-wizardry. These impressions do not a global currency make." 547559;1394034624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00082792 = 5.7954 BTC [-] {2} 547560;1394034631;mircea_popescu;for the record, dear regulators : it comes out of your skin, either way. 547561;1394034648;mircea_popescu;make it pleasant on yourself or not, lube up or not, whatever suits 547562;1394034651;mircea_popescu;but the cock is going in. 547563;1394034668;nubbins`;techno-wizardry 547564;1394034678;mircea_popescu;imagine, you know ? 547565;1394034695;nubbins`;http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/technowizard.bmp 547566;1394034703;mircea_popescu;i mean this is total libertard school of denial. it just so happens that theft, drugs and techno-wizardry is the EXACT recipe of mainstream worship 547567;1394034706;nubbins`;that's about what i had in mind 547568;1394034720;mircea_popescu;this guy is basically saying that bitcoin is a distilate of all rappers, all wall street and all silicon valley 547569;1394034724;mircea_popescu;and then pretending like this is a bad thing. 547570;1394034901;mircea_popescu;anyway, http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6vh58LPXM1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 547571;1394035026;Mats_cd03;r3wt, i would recommend reading several books about secure coding and learn how to use an auditing tool like burp 547572;1394035067;r3wt;i decided i'd just hire a professional and try to learn from whatever example he sets 547573;1394035102;nubbins`;lel i can hear pascale humming that jan terri song from downstairs 547574;1394035116;Mats_cd03;going from php to lua is an odd choice and doesnt inspire anyone with confidence in your ability to secure their funds 547575;1394035193;Mats_cd03;security requires design and architecture, so maybe you should read books instead of writing code at this stage 547576;1394035231;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03, r3wt: to learn 'secure code', spend a few years as a lowly 0day hunter 547577;1394035248;Mats_cd03;i wouldnt recommend that 547578;1394035280;r3wt;i am taking myself out of the equation for good of the project 547579;1394035295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00449999 = 0.45 BTC [-] {3} 547580;1394035308;Mats_cd03;that journey is unforgiving and uneducational if youre not clever or connected to people better than you at it 547581;1394035332;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: how to find if you're clever without trying 547582;1394035357;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00574943 = 0.5749 BTC [+] {2} 547583;1394035555;Mats_cd03;reading CVE reports, studying 0days and proofs of concept, crackmes, compiler books, r/reverseengineering 547584;1394035589;Apocalyptic;I used to do a lot of crackmes back in the days 547585;1394035592;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: studying classic examples only takes you so far 547586;1394035602;asciilifeform;doesn't teach the process of how they come to exist 547587;1394035603;Apocalyptic;do as in solving and creating the challenges 547588;1394035605;Mats_cd03;thats what the foundational books are for 547589;1394035656;Mats_cd03;i advise building a serious knowledge base in one subset of sec before getting into anything else 547590;1394035709;r3wt;thanks for the advice Mats_cd03 547591;1394035788;deadweasel;what's everyone's take on the folks at ##security? 547592;1394035798;Mats_cd03;dumb 547593;1394035807;asciilifeform;can't say, never saw. 547594;1394035836;Mats_cd03;i lurk there and i rarely see any good conversation 547595;1394035853;r3wt;bullshitters 547596;1394035924;wao-ender;v0v https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ 547597;1394035930;deadweasel;i agree on all counts, but it's not to say you can't comb the logs for some direction. 547598;1394035934;nubbins`;;;ticker --market all 547599;1394035940;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 662.37, vol: 17860.37014311 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 639.899, vol: 16064.3695 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 661.4999, vol: 14587.05392498 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 674.0, vol: 46.86848963 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 671.0, vol: 10.01218267 | Volume-weighted last average: 654.689264159 547600;1394035966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00082989 = 6.8051 BTC [+] {2} 547601;1394035970;deadweasel;then again, i'm not 'savvy' 547602;1394036120;nubbins`;savvy and sapient share a root 547603;1394036149;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.004401 = 0.7482 BTC [-] {4} 547604;1394036393;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14481 @ 0.00082817 = 11.9927 BTC [-] {3} 547605;1394036515;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.00440011 = 0.2288 BTC [-] {4} 547606;1394036576;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.13311598 = 1.198 BTC [-] 547607;1394036577;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00439891 = 0.3255 BTC [-] {2} 547608;1394036720;mircea_popescu;Mircea Popescu So has the #ImpotentAlliance invaded the Ukraine Soviet Republic yet or we still talkin' ? 547609;1394036720;mircea_popescu;Bit Power @Mircea_Popescu Still talkin' -- Russia threatens to confiscate U.S. assets.... 547610;1394036720;mircea_popescu;Mircea Popescu Pity the US wasn't keeping it all in #Bitcoin. 547611;1394036842;mircea_popescu;also, i'm with Mats_cd03. asciilifeform's ideas are tailored for the 1%. nttawwt, but kind-of dangerous if you're not in. 547612;1394036874;Mats_cd03;im all for the beauty of discovery, hacking, and all that 547613;1394036920;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i read some old posts this morning. you are using 'crystal space' - written by the sadly famous taaki ? this does not bother you ? 547614;1394036939;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in the same sense using bitcoin "written" by the sadly famous taaki doesn't bother me. 547615;1394036957;Apocalyptic;"<QuantumQrack> No, I'm saying the true leaders have massive power. But in a cryptocurrcency wold....the mass has the power." 547616;1394036967;Mats_cd03;many people need structured learning to progress further 547617;1394036978;asciilifeform;i guess i'm just terrible at measuring which miscreants are dumb enough to be harmless 547618;1394036979;mircea_popescu;adding to that : generally at the fruit stand, the peaches which have all the bugs swarming in are the best. 547619;1394037014;asciilifeform;this also works at the turd stand 547620;1394037022;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic so let the mass think it has power, and then get indignant whenever mpoe-pr shows up. 547621;1394037033;Apocalyptic;sounds like a plan 547622;1394037041;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform true, true 547623;1394037064;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07260022 = 0.726 BTC [-] {8} 547624;1394037105;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: 1% & comsec - one needn't be a historic champion to learn basic things 547625;1394037115;asciilifeform;i keep trying to wake people up to this fact 547626;1394037116;mircea_popescu;yeah, they would. 547627;1394037118;asciilifeform;usually to no avail 547628;1394037125;mircea_popescu;that's the thing. basic things are only accessible to the very very elite. 547629;1394037131;mircea_popescu;for instance, tell me what is a number ? 547630;1394037175;*;asciilifeform wakes up herr peano's zombie 547631;1394037176;mircea_popescu;compare basic and lisp. there is NOTHING basic about any one basic instruction 547632;1394037188;mircea_popescu;they're all complex porrige of many things. 547633;1394037209;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, explain something truely basic, like say lambda, to the basic crowd. 547634;1394037247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57654522 BTC [-] 547635;1394037263;asciilifeform;any child who played 'mad libs' (or whatever it's called on the other side of the atlantic today) can understand 'lambda' 547636;1394037291;mircea_popescu;but thats quite besides the point 547637;1394037304;Mats_cd03;http://shkspr.mobi/blog/2014/03/2000-nhs-security-vulnerabilities-disclosed/ 547638;1394037307;mircea_popescu;because most children' maturation requires they become socially inserted 547639;1394037308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00449953 = 0.3375 BTC [+] 547640;1394037309;Mats_cd03;lol wordpress 547641;1394037315;mircea_popescu;which requires them acquire proficiency in a number of porriges 547642;1394037322;mircea_popescu;by the time which is done... well... good luck. 547643;1394037360;mircea_popescu;"These flaws were discovered passively using the information which was returned by the web server following a normal request. I have not exploited any of the holes found." 547644;1394037367;mircea_popescu;how you know the author lives in a fascist state. 547645;1394037392;Apocalyptic;.d 547646;1394037392;ozbot;3.816 billion | Next Diff in 1245 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.7517% in 8d 7h 16m 20s 547647;1394037430;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00449301 = 0.1168 BTC [-] {2} 547648;1394037541;asciilifeform;sometimes simple crap is actually... simple 547649;1394037556;asciilifeform;what can be more straightforward than 'SKI combinator' calculus ? 547650;1394037742;asciilifeform;or here's a fun variation on the theme: 547651;1394037745;asciilifeform;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iota_and_Jot 547652;1394037745;ozbot;Iota and Jot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 547653;1394037796;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00449879 = 0.3374 BTC [+] {4} 547654;1394037797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4829 @ 0.00082587 = 3.9881 BTC [-] 547655;1394037797;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07698379 = 0.3849 BTC [+] {2} 547656;1394037857;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.08960102 = 0.6272 BTC [-] {2} 547657;1394037896;ThickAsThieves;winklesvii to the moon! http://winklevosscapital.com/posts/78649481042 547658;1394038121;Apocalyptic;altcoin is going to da moon too I heard 547659;1394038227;benkay;r3wt: read this for some perspective on your choices: http://www.michaelbromley.co.uk/blog/65/confessions-of-an-intermediate-programmer 547660;1394038235;Apocalyptic;benkay, he left 547661;1394038249;benkay;;;later tell r3wt: read this for some perspective on your choices: http://www.michaelbromley.co.uk/blog/65/confessions-of-an-intermediate-programmer 547662;1394038249;gribble;The operation succeeded. 547663;1394038267;benkay;thanks, Apocalyptic 547664;1394038339;asciilifeform;http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/goxcoin/ 547665;1394038339;ozbot;Implosion of Bitcoin Exchange Spawns Mutant Digital Currency | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com 547666;1394038345;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2014#495815 547667;1394038349;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 547668;1394038352;asciilifeform;what have i done 547669;1394038471;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yeah they got bailed in 547670;1394038508;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see ? the real nsa is always listening. 547671;1394038521;mircea_popescu;this is an ancient greek idea. careful what you say for the gods may be short of inspiration 547672;1394038542;*;asciilifeform bows in respect to my happy invisible friends 547673;1394038549;ThickAsThieves;"Using a technology called Mastercoin, the Goxcoin people would mint a brand new digital currency" 547674;1394038559;ThickAsThieves;The derp compounds 547675;1394038616;chetty;UN ENVOY KIDNAPPED IN SIMFEROPOL, IFX CITES UKRAINE FOREIGN MIN 547676;1394038638;asciilifeform;chetty: wake me up for the beheading vid. 547677;1394038650;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 547678;1394038686;mircea_popescu;mastercoin is a technology ? 547679;1394038714;mircea_popescu;chetty obviously. they had to be pretty fucking stupid to not realise that "independent" military has no problem doing it. 547680;1394038720;chetty;will do asciilifeform, probably a couple days, must draw out the drama 547681;1394038725;mircea_popescu;but no, cheeky un, "we are bureaucrats so we matter" 547682;1394038742;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they ain't beheading them, just keeping them on ice for a few weeks. 547683;1394038761;mircea_popescu;"ty for having improved our negotiation position" 547684;1394038773;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.40070057 BTC to 3`643 shares, 65899 satoshi per share 547685;1394038829;asciilifeform;damn, there was, going 'hedsoff.com'... 547686;1394038847;asciilifeform;* there i was 547687;1394038894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18476 @ 0.00082909 = 15.3183 BTC [+] {2} 547688;1394039015;deadweasel;SomeSubjectiveSomeObjective . 3 hours ago 547689;1394039015;deadweasel;I endorse this, and I've already started development on Goxcoincoin, set to go live when Goxcoin is hacked into bankruptcy. Goxcoincoin will allow people to buy interests in Goxcoin assets. 547690;1394039029;deadweasel;lol 547691;1394039053;mircea_popescu;deadweasel tell him it's supposed to be goxgoxcoin 547692;1394039057;mircea_popescu;not goxcoincoin 547693;1394039077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [-] 547694;1394039079;ThickAsThieves;mastergoxcoin? 547695;1394039101;chetty;eeww just the name makes me queasy 547696;1394039130;mircea_popescu;aurogoxmasternextripple 547697;1394039142;mircea_popescu;should be good enough 547698;1394039183;ThickAsThieves;areolanipples 547699;1394039320;ThickAsThieves;i'm having a Java install feedback loop :( 547700;1394039322;chetty;Three third-grade students at a Sonora elementary school were busted for smoking pot in the schools bathroom last week. 547701;1394039338;chetty;you touch Java? 547702;1394039365;ThickAsThieves;only for one thing 547703;1394039382;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00083204 = 9.8181 BTC [+] {4} 547704;1394039382;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+] 547705;1394039389;ThickAsThieves;which is now telling me i need to update, after every update 547706;1394039403;mircea_popescu;update the updater 547707;1394039425;ThickAsThieves;don't have enough updateupdatecoins 547708;1394039511;benkay;http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/#c2561 547709;1394039515;ozbot;BitBet - Any altcoin will surpass Litecoin in market capitalization 547710;1394039590;mircea_popescu;lol 547711;1394039626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3072 @ 0.00082509 = 2.5347 BTC [-] 547712;1394039635;benkay;poor mods 547713;1394039638;benkay;poor -pr 547714;1394039662;mike_c;so now it depends on definition of "ends up", cuz aurora is tanking. 547715;1394039678;benkay;nah it resolved 547716;1394039685;mike_c;ah 547717;1394039698;benkay;mp caved on the coin v scam situation 547718;1394039715;benkay;hey kakobrekla mircea_popescu when do we see costs of mods in bitbet statements? 547719;1394039722;mike_c;it's tough being judge & jury. not a job I envy. 547720;1394039748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0890005 = 0.356 BTC [-] {2} 547721;1394040102;mircea_popescu;benkay prolly never. 547722;1394040124;benkay;mircea_popescu why is that? 547723;1394040131;mircea_popescu;mike_c http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#547210 547724;1394040175;mircea_popescu;benkay roughly for the same reason tyhe cost of mp as ceo doesn't show in s.mpoe's books 547725;1394040201;ThickAsThieves;Since Feb 28, 2013 until Feb 26, 2014, ASICMiner has paid out over the past year: 547726;1394040202;ThickAsThieves;Total: 220,909.62 BTC 547727;1394040202;ThickAsThieves;Per Share: 0.6135/Share 547728;1394040202;ThickAsThieves;Average Weekly Payout: 0.0118/Share 547729;1394040209;BingoBoingo;So since Arscoin is Webwallet only... How long until CondeNast goes Inputs.io? http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/digging-for-cryptocurrency-the-newbies-guide-to-mining-altcoins/ 547730;1394040250;benkay;mircea_popescu the mods are paid in shares, then? the mods are you and kakobrekla then? 547731;1394040261;ThickAsThieves;Today is also my official first day not being tied to AM in any way anymore 547732;1394040278;*;ThickAsThieves does a little dance. 547733;1394040356;mircea_popescu;benkay nenver underestimate the advantage of a harem of slaves. 547734;1394040358;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00449765 = 0.2249 BTC [-] 547735;1394040415;nubbins`;tat, are congratulations appropriate? 547736;1394040419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0055 = 0.253 BTC 547737;1394040455;mircea_popescu;well it's not bad, overal it paid in dividends way more than it originally cost 547738;1394040464;mircea_popescu;so it's one of the few happy stories in btcland 547739;1394040480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00083055 = 5.6062 BTC [+] 547740;1394040486;ThickAsThieves;too bad btcland had to drive it up to 5.5btc 547741;1394040544;mircea_popescu;ya well 547742;1394040556;mircea_popescu;btcland wanted to show mp oneup 547743;1394040594;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/ << check out latest bets 547744;1394040597;mircea_popescu;NO NO NO NO NO 547745;1394040600;mircea_popescu;bitbet denial 547746;1394040602;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09099999 = 0.182 BTC [+] {2} 547747;1394040678;ThickAsThieves;hehe mostly me 547748;1394040714;ThickAsThieves;letting it ride 547749;1394040778;mircea_popescu;On October 26, 2005, [drug rep] Mr. Caronia went to Dr. Charno's office. He had never met Dr. Charno before, nor had any previous contact with him but for the phone calls from Dr. Charno seeking a promotional speech. During the meeting, Dr. Charno repeatedly asked Mr. Caronia off-label questions and asked to meet Dr. Gleason [a speaker for the company.] 547750;1394040778;mircea_popescu;Dr. Gleason eventually came, and, in the presence of Caronia, had a discussion with Dr. Charno about off-label uses for Xyrem (insomnia, restless legs, etc). Is Caronia responsible? Should he have stopped Gleason? The court said yes, and convicted him. 547751;1394040778;mircea_popescu;The trick was, Dr. Charno was actually a government informant. That's odd. And I have never heard of a doctor who requested a promotional speech. He cold called a rep he had never met and asked to meet him to discuss a drug he had never prescribed? 547752;1394040782;mircea_popescu;The third witness presented by the United States Government was the confidential informant, Dr. Steven Charno. After pleading guilty to medical insurance fraud stemming from his criminal act of filing fraudulent medical insurance bills in the amount of $821,000.00, Dr. Charno cooperated with the United States Government against Alfred Caronia. 547753;1394040787;mircea_popescu;I thought I was reading the script for a bad cop movie. Did the government use a plea agreement to force Charno to help the government capture drug reps that he had never even met? 547754;1394040790;mircea_popescu;check that shit out lmao 547755;1394040844;mircea_popescu;i suppose that's the future use of all the two bit scammers i nthe history of bitcoin. 547756;1394040851;mircea_popescu;so i guess... don't deal with known scammers. 547757;1394040968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10597 @ 0.00083248 = 8.8218 BTC [+] 547758;1394041029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2778 @ 0.00083055 = 2.3073 BTC [-] 547759;1394041029;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.091 = 0.273 BTC [+] 547760;1394041155;ThickAsThieves;http://www.thestreet.com/story/12509084/1/overstock-ceo-expects-bitcoin-derivatives.html 547761;1394041155;ozbot;Overstock CEO Expects Bitcoin Derivatives - TheStreet 547762;1394041212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00566001 = 0.1132 BTC [-] 547763;1394041264;lalusch;Would anyone be so kind and give me a link to information on the Scharmbeck scam? lost track of this whole thing about a month ago 547764;1394041439;mircea_popescu;lalusch which one is that ? 547765;1394041466;chetty;haha so many scams. so little time 547766;1394041485;lalusch;sbfs on cryptostocks? 547767;1394041487;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves lol derp. 547768;1394041507;mircea_popescu;lalusch possibly nobody here keeping track of individual cryptostocks scams 547769;1394041515;mircea_popescu;the entire thing just melds into one big scam 547770;1394041517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00082494 = 8.5381 BTC [-] {2} 547771;1394041544;lalusch;yes, thats what i'm feeling too 547772;1394041578;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+] 547773;1394041602;lalusch;anyone got information on when CBTC will pay dividends for february 547774;1394041627;mike_c;;;last seen kakobrekla 547775;1394041628;gribble;(last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message) 547776;1394041639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8322 @ 0.00082975 = 6.9052 BTC [+] 547777;1394041650;mircea_popescu;lalusch no. they do not publish either reports or any sort of sensible anything. 547778;1394041658;mike_c;;;seen kakobrekla 547779;1394041659;gribble;kakobrekla was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 26 minutes, and 1 second ago: <kakobrekla> mhm 547780;1394041704;lalusch;:( 547781;1394041708;mircea_popescu;all they do is crap like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.msg5224850#msg5224850 547782;1394041719;lalusch;but actually this makes them even more credible for me 547783;1394041736;Apocalyptic;huh how so ? 547784;1394041826;deadweasel;i can't see how, pls explain, lalusch. 547785;1394041888;lalusch;giving the exact dat of dividend payment could make the stocks price crash 2 minutes after div payment as just 1 bigger player has to sell then, on such a low volume 547786;1394041898;lalusch;get what i mean? 547787;1394041903;lalusch;sry for english 547788;1394041916;mike_c;no reason for it to "crash" more than the dividend payment. 547789;1394041928;ThickAsThieves;lol 547790;1394041935;ThickAsThieves;dividends mean everything! 547791;1394042052;ThickAsThieves;Beth Jacob, who has served as Target's chief information officer and executive vice president of technology services since 2008, is vacating both positions and departing the company immediately. According to CEO Gregg Steinhafel, the retailer has already launched a search for an interim CIO to help steer Target through a major security overhaul. 547792;1394042066;lalusch;yea they do 547793;1394042069;ThickAsThieves;Target info/sec is headless! 547794;1394042078;lalusch;nobody is going long term in cryptobiz 547795;1394042092;deadweasel;lalusch: how do you mean their bitcointalk post makes them more credible? 547796;1394042092;mircea_popescu;lalusch that's nonsense, really. 547797;1394042102;mike_c;guy i know who works in it security consulting says he is drowning in work b/c of target. 547798;1394042116;ThickAsThieves;well that's forumite logic 547799;1394042119;mircea_popescu;all mpex companies have their div dates announced as per contract, in the past two years there has been exactly 0 of the stuff you talk about. 547800;1394042125;ThickAsThieves;more posts, more trust 547801;1394042127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 101 @ 0.0044003 = 0.4444 BTC [-] {3} 547802;1394042144;Apocalyptic;^ 547803;1394042155;ThickAsThieves;the more numbers included in posts, more trust 547804;1394042163;lalusch;deadweasel, must have gotten me wrong. I did not mean the bitcointalk thread 547805;1394042170;ThickAsThieves;(numbers do not have to represent reality, or be good) 547806;1394042180;lalusch;i meant the fact that they dont announce the exact date for dividend payment 547807;1394042191;mircea_popescu;methinks ThickAsThieves is a little jaded these days 547808;1394042200;chetty;aren't 'regular' stocks div dates legally required to be published? 547809;1394042205;mircea_popescu;lalusch yeah but still there should be a "no later than 5th of the month" or something 547810;1394042209;ThickAsThieves;well look where i spend my time! 547811;1394042216;deadweasel;^ 547812;1394042220;deadweasel;it can't be helped 547813;1394042227;lalusch;i totally agree 547814;1394042228;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i hear this is how people end up with eating disorders 547815;1394042237;ThickAsThieves;i could stand to lose a few 547816;1394042257;mircea_popescu;mike_c didn't they recently lose a db ? 547817;1394042303;mike_c;just lost a little personal data on 110 million customers. 547818;1394042336;mike_c;basically everyone in the US got issued new credit cards after that one. 547819;1394042364;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/12/and_now_the_pharma_pendulum_sw.html 547820;1394042364;ozbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Expendable; Or, And Now The Pharma Pendulum Swings Back The Other Way 547821;1394042367;mircea_popescu;this is a fucking epic article. 547822;1394042375;mircea_popescu;wanna understand why the finance people keep falling out of windows ? 547823;1394042377;mircea_popescu;there's the blueprint. 547824;1394042401;mircea_popescu;mike_c finding a way to paper over the fact that they STILL do not wish to use security is going to take some effort. 547825;1394042437;mike_c;just hire a new CIO! chopping a couple heads fixes everything. 547826;1394042462;asciilifeform;they STILL do not wish to use security << re: Target ? 547827;1394042498;chetty;more good reasons to avoid plastic fiats 547828;1394042502;asciilifeform;there is no little to no incentive in the u.s. for card issuers (and money lenders in general) to secure anything. 547829;1394042527;nubbins`;lel, so we outsourced some printing to this company in california. 14% of the order is missing when it arrives -- no explanation, no "we'll get the rest sent out soon", just numbers changed with a pen on the packing slip. i emailed company, they say "oh sorry -- we'll get the rest to you by march 24" 547830;1394042530;asciilifeform;'identity theft' is only possible because they wish it to be. 547831;1394042531;nubbins`;almost a month late 547832;1394042544;nubbins`;when i inquired about a partial refund, they offer me $20 547833;1394042549;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes 547834;1394042551;nubbins`;not the $113.50 that the missing tanks cost 547835;1394042555;nubbins`;a fucking jackson. 547836;1394042576;mircea_popescu;nubbins` so sue. 547837;1394042592;asciilifeform;quite a few people don't seem to understand the implications 547838;1394042618;nubbins`;i'm giving them one more chance before i issue a chargeback 547839;1394042630;asciilifeform;it isn't just the fact that money lenders like that, though i refuse to borrow a million, some other fellow can swipe my driver's license and do it for me 547840;1394042640;jcpham;woohoo chargeback!. talk with your monies 547841;1394042653;asciilifeform;it's also the fact that the alternative is a mercilessly-cryptographic concept of identity 547842;1394042659;asciilifeform;as depicted in 'Shall Be Delivered' 547843;1394042663;nubbins`;already talking with my voice, too -- just blasted them on one of the bigger t-shirt printing forums 547844;1394042679;asciilifeform;where if someone has your key, / they are now legally you / 547845;1394042680;nubbins`;generally fulfillment companies have a forum presence, will be interesting to see if they respond there 547846;1394042751;deadweasel;nubbins`: after you chargeback, cancel the card and link them to your posts. 547847;1394042848;asciilifeform;* musical interlude * - 2047: mr. barack hussein IV was six foot tall at the time of his coronation, but lost his key - inscribed on a napkin - and unfortunately / bifurcated / two years later. he is now five foot eight, half-chinese, with a red beard.' 547848;1394042859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6634 @ 0.00083227 = 5.5213 BTC [+] {2} 547849;1394042895;asciilifeform;'mandatory gladiatorial combat following bifurcation was introduced in .... due to ...' 547850;1394042952;asciilifeform;'there were five contending forks; two boys clutching old-fashioned xerox copies and ...' 547851;1394042967;asciilifeform;* end of musical interlude * 547852;1394043020;nubbins`;<asciilifeform> there is no little to no incentive in the u.s. for card issuers (and money lenders in general) to secure anything. <<< nod 547853;1394043023;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Are they in the WoT? 547854;1394043043;nubbins`;no reason why my credit card number can't be a "master key" and i just generate one-time-use cc numbers for purchases 547855;1394043057;nubbins`;other than the fact that the current system favours the issuers 547856;1394043057;asciilifeform;nubbins`: you know the reason 547857;1394043076;asciilifeform;nubbins`: if you refuse to buy a Boeing, some other fellow gets to, in your name 547858;1394043076;nubbins`;cost of fraud detection / prevention > cost of chargebacks 547859;1394043090;asciilifeform;then go and prove that you didn't 547860;1394043100;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: unfortunately, i'm the only t-shirt provider in the wot 547861;1394043144;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform chinese ppl can't have red beards. 547862;1394043161;asciilifeform;ahahaha china lost its national key 547863;1394043164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8373 @ 0.00082947 = 6.9452 BTC [-] {2} 547864;1394043165;asciilifeform;and an irish kid found it 547865;1394043168;mircea_popescu;lmao 547866;1394043193;mircea_popescu;nubbins` what, and s.nsa is a trillion dollar company ? 547867;1394043201;mircea_popescu;and then obama has to ask mp's permission on irc to do shit ? 547868;1394043208;mircea_popescu;IMPOSSIBRU 547869;1394043235;*;nubbins` scrolls back in search of the bit he missed 547870;1394043246;BingoBoingo;Fuck, I run a billion dollar ATC hedge fund for a private client 547871;1394043253;asciilifeform;zimbabwe dollars? 547872;1394043270;BingoBoingo;Does the dollars origin really matter? 547873;1394043279;asciilifeform;http://www.amazon.com/Zimbabwe-Trillion-Dollar-Bank-Uncirculated/dp/B002X1970I 547874;1394043280;ozbot;Amazon.com: Zimbabwe 100 Trillion Dollar Bank Note 2008 Uncirculated: Everything Else 547875;1394043297;mircea_popescu;the other zimbabwe 547876;1394043367;artifexd;;;rate BingoBoingo 1 Did what he said he was going to do 547877;1394043368;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded. 547878;1394043520;asciilifeform;for the aficionados: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/chronology-of-ukrainian-coup.html 547879;1394044019;mircea_popescu;"Welcome to the forum. MPOE is our most accomplished scumbag, a rumored child pornographer and a confirmed idiot. His business model is simple-minded: talk shit about everyone else to avoid scrutiny. Because he has no dignity or good breeding, he basically sells stock in himself, a sadistic, sexually confused Romanian Mafia reject. Anything he says can be disregarded, you won't miss anything valuable." 547880;1394044025;mircea_popescu;check that shit out yo! 547881;1394044032;asciilifeform;'... the judge then ruled that the death of a keyholder at the hands of his fork is to be considered 'assisted suicide.' when he finished belting out the last verse of Modified-Karatsuba Anthem, his secretary drew her Nagant... ' 547882;1394044061;asciilifeform;(NYT, 2031) 547883;1394044185;deadweasel;mircea_popescu: from whence came that virtiol? 547884;1394044188;deadweasel;vitriol* 547885;1394044195;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5529878#msg5529878 547886;1394044196;ozbot;Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam. 547887;1394044215;mircea_popescu;i have no idea, but it sounds like some pirate investment banker. 547888;1394044311;jcpham;if they really really knew gox was a shitshow 6 months ago...probably should've told someone 547889;1394044315;deadweasel;wow, that's ripe 547890;1394044317;deadweasel;thx 547891;1394044318;BingoBoingo;Probably have to be a pirate investment banker to remember all of the slurs 547892;1394044326;jcpham;but i didn't bother going to the forum 547893;1394044346;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that was my logic. 547894;1394044356;asciilifeform;'... courtroom recording showed that the last verse of the multiplicand was, as witnesses had claimed, sung in unison by the beautiful young fork.' 547895;1394044374;benkay;asciilifeform have you been reading Pynchon lately or something? 547896;1394044380;asciilifeform;benkay: nope. 547897;1394044390;asciilifeform;just read 'shall be delivered' a year or so ago 547898;1394044395;asciilifeform;and now had occasion to remember. 547899;1394044396;benkay;he has good musical interludes. 547900;1394044432;benkay;you're approaching his degree of surreality in the musical numbers 547901;1394044439;asciilifeform;http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/ 547902;1394044440;ozbot;Shall be Delivered | The Whet 547903;1394044444;benkay;oh, i'm familiar. 547904;1394044452;benkay;have you read Gravity's Rainbow? 547905;1394044457;asciilifeform;nope. 547906;1394044462;asciilifeform;tried to once, and barfed 547907;1394044474;benkay;snob 547908;1394044496;asciilifeform;i even own a little book on SNOBOL. so clearly. 547909;1394044506;mircea_popescu;hahaha 547910;1394044645;r3wt;;;bcauth 547911;1394044645;gribble;(bcauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered with the bot with a bitcoin address for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes. 547912;1394044650;r3wt;;;bcauth r3wt 547913;1394044650;gribble;Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.44.61. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ea53a1cdfc650f1dad400d92a3cea88d4a1ac8960d422ac09a915b8c 547914;1394044659;asciilifeform;benkay: nothing surrealist or otherwise inaccessible sans-hallucinogens about the snippet above 547915;1394044669;asciilifeform;comparison with pynchon et al is unwarranted 547916;1394044685;asciilifeform;entirely logical premise, just like 'Delivered' 547917;1394044753;benkay;just the musical number. 547918;1394044806;asciilifeform;benkay: what, Modified Karatsuba Anthem? 547919;1394044829;asciilifeform;merely a way to multiply bignums using your 'language cortex', every child knows it 547920;1394044838;asciilifeform;(starting 2017, aha) 547921;1394044853;nubbins`;haven't read any pynchon 547922;1394044860;nubbins`;a friend did his thesis on the crying of lot 49 547923;1394044860;asciilifeform;me neither 547924;1394044933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 123 @ 0.00445344 = 0.5478 BTC [-] {4} 547925;1394044994;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 460 @ 0.00436999 = 2.0102 BTC [-] {3} 547926;1394045032;asciilifeform;see, people laugh, but i intend to make that universe happen. 547927;1394045048;asciilifeform;lessee who laughs then 547928;1394045133;asciilifeform;wonder what the author of 'delivered' would answer to that. 547929;1394045214;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zm1v5/today_i_logged_onto_my_computer_and_found_none_of/ 547930;1394045214;ozbot;Today I logged onto my computer and found none of my bitcoins were stolen. : Bitcoin 547931;1394045215;BingoBoingo;"Much like Samson, asciilifeform had become the fork of the entire United States Supreme Court. Being of advanced age the Justices were no match for asciilifeform as he defeated each in success in the Singles combat described in the protocol for fork resolution." 547932;1394045217;nubbins`;lel, title says it all 547933;1394045355;BingoBoingo;The supreme court accepted no cases the following term after the court's decision that paper on ink is not an adequate signature. 547934;1394045403;mircea_popescu;not bad 547935;1394045469;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyzr4whCAN1r9cf4co1_1280.jpg 547936;1394045476;mircea_popescu;new and improved scotus, post stan 547937;1394045499;mircea_popescu;(shirt means assent, no shirt dissent) 547938;1394045500;benkay;"What anointed property is bestowed upon “dollars” which, being absent from bitcoins, precludes their usefulness? If you would not even eat your supper without the government first giving you its blessing, then I feel sad for you, for you are truly under a dismal spell and, and suffer a strange kind of man-in-the-sky worship." 547939;1394045521;benkay;http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-biggest-challenge-educational-technical/ 547940;1394045525;asciilifeform;ahaha 547941;1394045526;BingoBoingo;Briefs and documents to be filed in plaintext or AMS TeX 547942;1394045665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6366 @ 0.0008311 = 5.2908 BTC [+] 547943;1394045722;nubbins`;http://journals.lww.com/jonmd/Abstract/publishahead/Safety_and_Efficacy_of_Lysergic_Acid.99925.aspx 547944;1394045722;ozbot;Safety and Efficacy of Lysergic Acid Diethylamide-Assisted P... : The Journal of Nervous and Ment 547945;1394045726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00083004 = 17.0158 BTC [-] {3} 547946;1394045729;nubbins`;first controlled study of lsd in what, 40 years? 547947;1394045736;nubbins`;s/of/involving 547948;1394045760;mircea_popescu;i dunno, iconducted a few 547949;1394045763;mircea_popescu;i guess 1st published 547950;1394045805;BingoBoingo;State courts in Texas, Montana, and California have decisions vacated after cheap imitation Cardonos were issued to justices and their keys were solved. The resolution of their forks is ongoing. 547951;1394045828;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: cardanos? you clearly didn't read the intro carefully. 547952;1394045847;nubbins`;heh 547953;1394045848;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1036 @ 0.00082871 = 0.8585 BTC [-] 547954;1394045851;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what next, arithmometers? 547955;1394045855;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: but were they controlled?! 547956;1394045865;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Imitations, I.E they went to classical NSA approved competitor for device with a pretense of similar function 547957;1394045917;mircea_popescu;nubbins` im a control freak. 547958;1394045928;nubbins`;why did i even ask ;D 547959;1394045964;BingoBoingo;And what's really wrong with arithmometers? Workings are easy to verify. 547960;1394045995;asciilifeform;not as good as the 'anthem', where if one bit of result is off, it no longer rhymes. 547961;1394046020;BingoBoingo;Bugs in an arithmometers are correctable with Fresh brass embouches and a bastard file 547962;1394046045;asciilifeform;(if i could sing it to you, this would be an engineering project rather than a flight of imagination.) 547963;1394046214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 40 @ 0.00298018 = 0.1192 BTC [+] 547964;1394046397;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.00298018 = 0.298 BTC [+] 547965;1394046668;BingoBoingo;In other news Idiot aligns with Idiots, suprised when Idiot gets burned by fellow idiots http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/78609330103/the-btc-foundations-power-struggle 547966;1394046901;mircea_popescu;lawl. 547967;1394047129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00082647 = 6.9423 BTC [-] {3} 547968;1394047142;BingoBoingo;His reponse of aligning himself with still bigger idiots suggests further lulz ahead. 547969;1394047355;benkay;i had a lot of fun saying 'scam' at the local bitcoin enthusiast part last night 547970;1394047374;benkay;"ethereum?" "scam!" "mastercoin?" "scam!" "let me guess - bitcoin foundation?" "SCAM!" 547971;1394047396;mircea_popescu;lol 547972;1394047427;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the lulzy part is where he presents vouchings from... none other than... our friendly radiologist-in-training, one brian goss 547973;1394047434;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.0425 = 0.8925 BTC [-] {2} 547974;1394047447;BingoBoingo;MyBitcoin 2.0 547975;1394047546;BingoBoingo;It is one thing to leak the Petagon papers. It is a road further though to leak the Pentagon papers and run for President on the credentials of having leaked the Pentagon papers. 547976;1394047597;BingoBoingo;This socialwebtwatter BBQ is really letting people lie far to much to themselves about their place. 547977;1394047623;mircea_popescu;word. 547978;1394047665;mircea_popescu;yet if you were to poll the "community", snowden'd be the most likely to succeed as chief of the USSS 547979;1394047678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07689997 = 0.1538 BTC [-] 547980;1394047816;ThickAsThieves;oh geez, wsj bit http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/05/auroracoin-already-second-biggest-virtual-currency-and-its-not-even-out-yet 547981;1394047865;ThickAsThieves;they promote coinmarketcap the same day bitbet blacklists it 547982;1394047919;ThickAsThieves;cmon now "(This ranking excludes the digital currency Ripple, whose market cap of $1.6 billion does not make for a fair comparison. Most ripple coins are retained by the issuing entity under a centrally managed model that’s very different from the decentralized networks employed by other alt.coins.)" 547983;1394047922;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07005308 = 0.2802 BTC [-] 547984;1394047925;ThickAsThieves;like auroracoin?! 547985;1394047928;benkay;hysteresis 547986;1394047943;benkay;mainstream catches up to scams just as scamwatch nukes 'em 547987;1394047972;BingoBoingo;I imagine BitBet is going to have to blacklist the WSJ as a source nao 547988;1394047980;jcpham;ripple! 547989;1394048012;ThickAsThieves;"Its creator, who goes under the pseudonym of Baldur Friggjar Odinsson," 547990;1394048026;mircea_popescu;benkay hysteresis indeed 547991;1394048034;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no it already was 547992;1394048050;ThickAsThieves;As for the pseudonym – a tactic reminiscent of that of Bitcoin’s mysterious, unidentified creator, Satoshi Nakamoto, auroracoin’s founder says, “The agents of the state will attack anyone challenging their power, so I chose a name from Norse mythology to shield myself from such attacks.” 547993;1394048062;ThickAsThieves;lol 547994;1394048090;asciilifeform;he'll be plugged with a mistletoe arrow ? 547995;1394048176;benkay;i'll play loki 547996;1394048188;*;benkay hucks dart 547997;1394048350;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10013 @ 0.00082722 = 8.283 BTC [+] 547998;1394048352;asciilifeform;aahaaa http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/sat-to-drop-essay-requirement-and-return-to-top-score-of-1600-in-redesign-of-admission-test/2014/03/05/2aa9eee4-a46a-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html 547999;1394048386;asciilifeform;'....college admission test.... a major overhaul intended to open doors to higher education for students who are now shut out.' 548000;1394048399;mircea_popescu;so it's no longer measuring anything at lal. 548001;1394048423;ThickAsThieves;"will dwell less on fancy vocabulary" obviously 548002;1394048429;ThickAsThieves;fancy? 548003;1394048450;mircea_popescu;so none of that faggoty complex words and whatnot 548004;1394048482;ThickAsThieves;anything difficult or inconvenient is now fancy 548005;1394048527;mircea_popescu;shorter word. 548006;1394048529;ThickAsThieves;fancy jobs for fancy people with fancy cars and fancy coins 548007;1394048534;mircea_popescu;fancy that! 548008;1394048629;nubbins`;tickles *my* fancy 548009;1394048639;ThickAsThieves;and fancy is only in it's infancy 548010;1394048671;ThickAsThieves;its 548011;1394048741;ThickAsThieves;http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/05/congressman-calls-to-ban-u-s-dollar-in-response-to-bitcoin-ban/ 548012;1394048742;ozbot;Congressman Calls To Ban U.S. Dollar In Response To Plea For Bitcoin Ban | TechCrunch 548013;1394048744;ThickAsThieves;yuss 548014;1394048776;ThickAsThieves;“The clear use of dollar bills for transacting in illegal goods, anonymous transactions, tax fraud, and services or speculative gambling make me wary of their use. Before the United States gets too far behind the curve on this important topic, I urge the regulators to work together, act quickly, and prohibit this dangerous currency from harming hard-working Americans,” said Polis. 548015;1394048805;the20year2;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TMTgbDAS-c 548016;1394048806;ozbot;Final Rehab Video for Mill street - YouTube 548017;1394048822;the20year2;There's the final rehab video for a property we just got done. Total cost to investors was $62.5k 548018;1394048850;ThickAsThieves;shouldnt total cost be communicated in bitcoins spent? 548019;1394048884;the20year2;Well, otherwise it was about 100btc 548020;1394049033;asciilifeform;'Experts say SAT scores have long been strongly correlated to family income, a dynamic the College Board hopes to shake up.' 548021;1394049083;mike_c;they want to shake up the correlation between higher income and better education? 548022;1394049098;mike_c;start smacking rich kids in the head on birth? 548023;1394049115;kakobrekla;mike_c you rang m'lord? 548024;1394049117;asciilifeform;'harrison bergeron' (k. vonnegut) 548025;1394049176;ThickAsThieves;they want to shake it up by maksing that it exists 548026;1394049203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 548027;1394049246;ThickAsThieves;which if they succeed might just result in the discriminating colleges using more discriminating methods 548028;1394049325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08900166 = 0.534 BTC [-] {2} 548029;1394049386;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07005308 = 0.1401 BTC [-] 548030;1394049525;kakobrekla;http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com < there you have it, props to pankkake . 548031;1394049630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27066 @ 0.00082595 = 22.3552 BTC [-] {3} 548032;1394049654;bitcoinpete;nicely done, and howdy 548033;1394049700;bitcoinpete;and ty kindly for the "subscriptions" mention 548034;1394049707;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: wait what's the new piece ? 548035;1394049726;kakobrekla;hum? 548036;1394049734;mike_c;very cool. love the keyboard shortcuts. 548037;1394049746;asciilifeform;in the link 548038;1394049749;kakobrekla;mike_c pankake did it 548039;1394049767;kakobrekla;asciilifeform last blog post from benkay ? 548040;1394049771;mircea_popescu;lol polis is cool. 548041;1394049812;mircea_popescu;mike_c it's unfair for richer people to afford better things. consequently, nobody wants to get rich anymore, and economy stops. 548042;1394049823;mircea_popescu;whoops, who could have foreseen this problem >< 548043;1394049879;mike_c;'correlation found between lambos and higher income. gov't plans to correct this' 548044;1394049902;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5527318#msg5527318 548045;1394049904;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings 548046;1394049908;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves any merit to all that ? 548047;1394049909;asciilifeform;mike_c: new product to address this Great Product: TrabamBourghini 548048;1394049916;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha 548049;1394049916;asciilifeform;trabant engine, plastic body 548050;1394049917;mircea_popescu;o god 548051;1394049930;asciilifeform;*Problem 548052;1394049937;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i spilled. trabambourghini is like the best car name ever 548053;1394049950;asciilifeform;ye heard it here phurst. 548054;1394049983;mircea_popescu;http://acidcow.com/pics/25481-super-hungry-pig-5-pics.html 548055;1394049985;ozbot;Pig Eating a Car (5 pics) 548056;1394049989;assbot;Last 20 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1691452/plain/) 548057;1394049989;kakobrekla;!b 20 548058;1394050048;asciilifeform;Trambo, short. 548059;1394050057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 43 @ 0.02010767 = 0.8646 BTC [-] {6} 548060;1394050062;mircea_popescu;so the owner is a trabambourgher ? 548061;1394050070;Namworld;[15:03] <mircea_popescu> mike_c it's unfair for richer people to afford better things. consequently, nobody wants to get rich anymore, and economy stops. 548062;1394050081;Namworld;Thank you. Sums it well. 548063;1394050118;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07699996 = 0.77 BTC [+] {4} 548064;1394050191;asciilifeform;people seriously misunderstand why trabant was a laugh 548065;1394050212;asciilifeform;it wasn't simply because it was a plywood jalopy with a grass cutter engine. 548066;1394050216;bitcoinpete;because you had to wait a decade for one? 548067;1394050224;asciilifeform;rather, because it was a car for people who can't afford car. 548068;1394050237;bitcoinpete;like the CarPlay thing 548069;1394050241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3976 @ 0.00082391 = 3.2759 BTC [-] 548070;1394050241;asciilifeform;sorta like an automotive altcoin 548071;1394050291;Namworld;If people are paid as much as they produce, then there's the choice of not doing anything, or wasting effort for no profit. Economy doesn't runs and we return to self-sufficience (where everyone can finally be "paid" as much as they produce, literally. 548072;1394050295;mod6;this was posted in -otc: http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/05/congressman-calls-to-ban-u-s-dollar-in-response-to-bitcoin-ban/ 548073;1394050309;asciilifeform;no one bothers to laugh at chinese moto-rickshaw, because it doesn't pretend to be a car 548074;1394050329;bitcoinpete;probably why the tata nano failed 548075;1394050352;ThickAsThieves;<mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves any merit to all that ? /// i'm not sure i even understand what that is. The thread isn't moderated, but maybe someone reported a sock ot something? I had the poster on ignore already fwiw 548076;1394050362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 54 @ 0.0055 = 0.297 BTC {2} 548077;1394050485;mircea_popescu;well some drama i have no diea 548078;1394050496;ThickAsThieves;i think its just socks socking socks 548079;1394050728;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00082391 = 3.9136 BTC [-] 548080;1394050933;deadweasel;hey I heard you like socks, so I put some sock in your sock, on some socks. they're in your laundry basket. derp. 548081;1394050950;deadweasel;the forums are festering with it 548082;1394050971;deadweasel;course I only go there when links are dropped here for humor. 548083;1394051087;deadweasel;ha, just overheard our designer say ' 548084;1394051099;deadweasel;You're preaching to a deaf choir' i don't even.... 548085;1394051538;benkay;;;lasers 548086;1394051539;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 548087;1394051879;jurov;;;bc,stats 548088;1394051883;gribble;Current Blocks: 289085 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 1218 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 17 hours, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3974059069.89 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.14955 548089;1394052009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00082586 = 12.1814 BTC [+] {3} 548090;1394052009;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 134 @ 0.00555348 = 0.7442 BTC [-] {7} 548091;1394052048;ThickAsThieves;pretty small change 548092;1394052070;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 916 @ 0.00517851 = 4.7435 BTC [-] {8} 548093;1394052072;ThickAsThieves;http://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty says 15% 548094;1394052078;ThickAsThieves;sorry 12% 548095;1394052228;mircea_popescu;benkay i dunno how much stock i can put in your branson=businessman theory 548096;1394052250;mircea_popescu;seeing how his main contribution is branson's guide to making a small fortune from air travel 548097;1394052259;mircea_popescu;("start with a big one") 548098;1394052314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 303 @ 0.005 = 1.515 BTC [-] {3} 548099;1394052406;bitcoinpete;branson seems more to invite other entrepreneurs to start companies and rent the virgin name 548100;1394052421;bitcoinpete;then break off subsidiaries when they get too big 548101;1394052442;bitcoinpete;all while he bungee jumps, etc 548102;1394052609;benkay;i dunno he seems to have stacked some piles of fiat 548103;1394052680;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699999 = 0.154 BTC [-] 548104;1394052681;BingoBoingo;So did Madonna and PT Barnum 548105;1394052720;benkay;yeah huh how did he pile all that up 548106;1394052776;BingoBoingo;The Circus bsns 548107;1394052801;benkay;ah well, back to javascript hell 548108;1394052924;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2459 @ 0.00082391 = 2.026 BTC [-] 548109;1394052943;bitcoinpete;On the recent theme: 548110;1394052944;bitcoinpete;http://worldpulse.com/campaigns/www/www-women-weave-the-web-campaign-prizes 548111;1394052945;ozbot;WWW: Women Weave the Web Campaign Prizes and Opportunities | World Pulse 548112;1394053229;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21728 @ 0.00082841 = 17.9997 BTC [+] {3} 548113;1394053398;nubbins`;on hold with ebay for 25 minutes now 548114;1394053406;nubbins`;i pity the poor fucker who ends up answering 548115;1394053412;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13051754 BTC [-] 548116;1394053413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00082391 = 9.6397 BTC [-] 548117;1394053591;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6sx6psCfB1ru15g3o1_500.jpg 548118;1394053839;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00447994 = 0.1299 BTC [+] 548119;1394053961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04298 = 0.1289 BTC [+] 548120;1394054083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04299999 = 0.215 BTC [+] 548121;1394054145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00082391 = 11.2052 BTC [-] 548122;1394055120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00447994 = 0.2464 BTC [+] 548123;1394055181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00566001 = 0.1698 BTC [-] 548124;1394055547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 927 @ 0.00082859 = 0.7681 BTC [+] 548125;1394055898;deadweasel;mod6: that article is so full of misrepresentations and misunderstandings... there isn't anything there. at all. 548126;1394055914;benkay;another one of yours, mircea_popescu? 548127;1394055922;mircea_popescu;na 548128;1394055926;deadweasel;http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/05/congressman-calls-to-ban-u-s-dollar-in-response-to-bitcoin-ban/ 548129;1394055927;ozbot;Congressman Calls To Ban U.S. Dollar In Response To Plea For Bitcoin Ban | TechCrunch 548130;1394055929;deadweasel;so lame, hurts to read 548131;1394055939;deadweasel;i'm physically hurting right now 548132;1394055940;mircea_popescu;deadweasel this is like the 3rd time today you know 548133;1394055944;mod6;sorry. just was like 'heh' 548134;1394055959;deadweasel;nope 548135;1394056119;deadweasel;frankly I'm saving the logs for when one of you enterprising fucks puts consolidates and puts them into a book, as a sort of People Guide to the History of Bitcoin. 548136;1394056133;deadweasel;damn words. 548137;1394056176;deadweasel;also, apparently, I could use an engrish teacher. 548138;1394056261;mircea_popescu;it's hopeless, there's like 10-20k pages already 548139;1394056284;mircea_popescu;50 fucking volumes for a coupla years ? 548140;1394056333;deadweasel;no no, highlights, tell it as a story, connected, but with the cruft removed. 548141;1394056351;deadweasel;like a book of letters, highly edited for cruft 548142;1394056369;deadweasel;you could sell an elite version with PMs that people donate. 548143;1394056380;deadweasel;wait no, verification impossibru 548144;1394056397;Mats_cd03;you could if you verified with both parties 548145;1394056439;mircea_popescu;basically this could feed 50-100 english major chicks. 548146;1394056460;mircea_popescu;i guess you gotta do something with the ones not pretty enough to dance nude in the street. 548147;1394056461;Mats_cd03;a book about bitcoin would suck anyway 548148;1394056491;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 sorta like books about the 60s. they sucked balls, but as the people who were actually involved went senile, 548149;1394056493;deadweasel;everyone deserves a shot, no? plus, she may write the story so well you want to fuck her. 548150;1394056504;mircea_popescu;the 2nd generation had no idea so it all seemed great to them 548151;1394056511;Mats_cd03;dudes in chat rooms talking about cryptography and gettin monitor tans 548152;1394056532;mircea_popescu;as opposed to what ? 548153;1394056534;Mats_cd03;i promise you once the average person sees the word cryptography theyre going to put the book down 548154;1394056538;deadweasel;considering what the forum consumes, i think it'd be a hit. 548155;1394056559;deadweasel;fuck, Mats_cd03 i see your point 548156;1394056561;mircea_popescu;average person ? what the fuck is this, the libertard dystopia ? 548157;1394056576;mircea_popescu;i never heard anyone rejecting a book idea on the grounds that goats wouldn't read it. 548158;1394056577;deadweasel;it's all in the editing. 548159;1394056582;deadweasel;yhou could have a techno savvy version 548160;1394056586;deadweasel;a laymans version 548161;1394056601;deadweasel;all edited. laymans version gets different edits 548162;1394056610;deadweasel;a drama version 548163;1394056612;deadweasel;a troll version 548164;1394056618;deadweasel;a shockdoc version 548165;1394056619;mircea_popescu;a french version... 548166;1394056645;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08901005 = 0.178 BTC [+] {2} 548167;1394056715;CheckDavid;Mats_cd03: I won't put the book down but I won't understand much of what's next either 548168;1394056737;deadweasel;that's IRC for ya 548169;1394056751;Mats_cd03;lets face it, most people would have to read a book before reading _that_ book 548170;1394056766;mod6;srsly 548171;1394056768;deadweasel;depends on the editing, but you have a point 548172;1394056783;deadweasel;introductary version would sell the most copies then. 548173;1394056869;Mats_cd03;someone in this channel could write the book 548174;1394056887;Mats_cd03;whichever of you has been here the longest and is unemployed 548175;1394056929;deadweasel;ummm, there might be a few more requirements 548176;1394056952;deadweasel;mpoe-pr should do it along with all her other womanly duties. 548177;1394056998;Mats_cd03;sounds like a shit job 548178;1394057011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04299999 = 0.129 BTC [+] 548179;1394057012;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00433449 = 0.6285 BTC [-] {8} 548180;1394057034;deadweasel;lol, affliate program: http://www.idiotsguidetobitcoin.com/ 548181;1394057037;Mats_cd03;who wants to read forum comments by teenagers for hours as research 548182;1394057072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2055 @ 0.00421645 = 8.6648 BTC [-] {14} 548183;1394057074;deadweasel;definitely not this guy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=183728.0 548184;1394057133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3358 @ 0.00082903 = 2.7839 BTC [+] 548185;1394057133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 320 @ 0.0042 = 1.344 BTC [-] {3} 548186;1394057194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3832 @ 0.00410031 = 15.7124 BTC [-] {12} 548187;1394057212;Mats_cd03;a topic-specific book would definitely be good though 548188;1394057226;Mats_cd03;i think the community needs it 548189;1394057245;Mats_cd03;something cohesive like "bitcoin personal security for dummies" 548190;1394057255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2048 @ 0.00401424 = 8.2212 BTC [-] {8} 548191;1394057277;deadweasel;oh man, this thing is dead to me already. i have the log. fuck it. 548192;1394057301;deadweasel;no time for bookmaking of anykind. 548193;1394057385;Mats_cd03;id write it if making books was a profitable activity 548194;1394057560;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 772 @ 0.00400015 = 3.0881 BTC [-] {7} 548195;1394057586;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as security for dummies 548196;1394057605;mircea_popescu;what's next, dating for the narcisistic and hygiene for the lazy ? 548197;1394057617;mike_c;BingoBoingo already wrote that. 548198;1394057620;mike_c;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/ 548199;1394057621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 15000 @ 0.004 = 60 BTC [-] 548200;1394057622;ozbot;PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog 548201;1394057651;mike_c;print it, bind it, become rich. 548202;1394057713;GNULinuxGuy;has there been some news about neobee recently or something? 548203;1394057733;mircea_popescu;notrly. 548204;1394057761;asciilifeform;a physicist (forget which) who took to writing 'general interest' books, was told by his publisher 'every equation you throw in will cut sales in half' 548205;1394057774;asciilifeform;(might've been penrose, now that i think about it) 548206;1394057781;GNULinuxGuy;buy op? ;) 548207;1394057789;mircea_popescu;unless you count stuff like http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2014#539868 548208;1394057817;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so the first 1-200 are the hardest then 548209;1394057826;mircea_popescu;after that's smooth sailin'. 548210;1394057830;asciilifeform;ahaha 548211;1394057892;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If the text in question was http://www.roadsolutions.ox.ac.uk/ I have it sitting on a shelf 548212;1394057907;asciilifeform;yeah might've been that one 548213;1394058080;BingoBoingo;It kept an adequate number of equations for a book with chapter titles like "Manifolds of n dimensions" 548214;1394058161;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this tome will not be burying Landau, but it's an acceptable bait to whet an amateur's interest, i'd imagine. 548215;1394058256;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Probably. Is an interesting read. 548216;1394058285;asciilifeform;which one of you people spoke of reading landau in french? was it mp? 548217;1394058477;mircea_popescu;prolly. 548218;1394058597;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59865 BTC [+] 548219;1394058658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59885666 = 1.7966 BTC [+] {3} 548220;1394058719;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60899666 = 1.827 BTC [+] {3} 548221;1394058828;kakobrekla;https://static.pinboard.in/webstock_2014.htm 548222;1394058841;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00574989 = 0.1092 BTC [+] {3} 548223;1394058843;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00399979 = 0.244 BTC [-] {2} 548224;1394058844;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07699999 = 0.231 BTC [-] 548225;1394058903;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.08999999 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2} 548226;1394058904;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.00574996 = 0.5807 BTC [+] {4} 548227;1394058905;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04299999 = 0.129 BTC [+] 548228;1394058952;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: good intro. 548229;1394058952;bitcoinpete;http://mashable.com/2014/03/05/snowden-phone/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-link 548230;1394058952;ozbot;The 'Snowden Phone' Will Encrypt All Your Calls and Texts 548231;1394058963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00574999 = 0.2357 BTC [+] {3} 548232;1394058964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04299999 = 0.129 BTC [+] 548233;1394058978;bitcoinpete;Still Samsung, so how do they unroot? 548234;1394058998;asciilifeform;re: phone: zimmerman was 'lowered into pederasty' 548235;1394059024;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00574999 = 0.1437 BTC [+] 548236;1394059056;asciilifeform;eventually i will deal with this subject in writing, unless mp takes up this chore in my place. 548237;1394059141;asciilifeform;lev termen was a true inventor 548238;1394059148;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2642 @ 0.0008275 = 2.1863 BTC [-] 548239;1394059156;asciilifeform;no one alive today is even fit to suck his decomposed cocke 548240;1394059173;asciilifeform;at least, with regards to invention 548241;1394059332;bitcoinpete;cool 548242;1394059790;asciilifeform;he's #2 on my list of folks who probably had the waveguide motor. (after the obvious candidate nick t.) 548243;1394059894;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/early-classical-revival-websites-do-not-a-bitcoin-bank-make/ 548244;1394059895;ozbot;Early Classical Revival Websites Do Not A Bitcoin Bank Make | When Bitcoin Met Pete 548245;1394059919;bitcoinpete;On the recent Flexcoin oopsie. He's a local kid, met him a few months back. 548246;1394059939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.00441611 = 0.4681 BTC [-] {5} 548247;1394060082;jborkl;Went to the bitcoin conference today, figured might as well since it is here at home 548248;1394060101;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, others: if you think that the enemy is foolish, and has no plan, this is a dangerous mistake: he is clever and knows the ancient chinese formula 'Yi yi zhi yi' (以夷治夷 ?) - 'control the barbarians using barbarians.' 548249;1394060111;jborkl;Don't worry, no one missed anything 548250;1394060126;asciilifeform;gox, flexcoin, bitcoinica, etc. are what lenin called 'useful idiots' 548251;1394060145;asciilifeform;useful idiots do not need to know who they soldiers for. 548252;1394060150;asciilifeform;*they are 548253;1394060695;kakobrekla;asciilifeform the whole piece aint bad 548254;1394060772;asciilifeform;the 'time microscope' thing is typical of aging inventors who, by virtue of being cut off from competent peers (either by having none alive, or being on the wrong side of a jail of one kind or another) 548255;1394060787;asciilifeform;end up flying off untethered into strange 548256;1394060804;asciilifeform;e.g. tesla's 'ghost telegraph' 548257;1394060854;kakobrekla;i guess misconception add up over the years 548258;1394060871;kakobrekla;misconceptions* 548259;1394060872;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: i don't think this is it at all 548260;1394060886;kakobrekla;no? 548261;1394060912;asciilifeform;rather, this is more like the folks who send binders full of crackpot proofs to maths profs today 548262;1394060943;asciilifeform;if you're unable to interact with an actual community of your peers, you tend to go way off in some strange direction 548263;1394060953;asciilifeform;sometimes, with interesting results, more often - with none 548264;1394060976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.00391018 = 0.1056 BTC [-] {3} 548265;1394061018;asciilifeform;another thing about aging inventors 548266;1394061030;asciilifeform;when they become anxious to carry out a 'last hurrah,' 548267;1394061050;asciilifeform;the mechanism in their heads that is needed to dis-invest in an unproductive line of inquiry breaks. 548268;1394061077;asciilifeform;'this ghost telegraph! it'll be what i'm remembered for! just needs a little tweaking.' 548269;1394061097;kakobrekla;heh, good points. 548270;1394061098;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07023011 = 0.2809 BTC [-] {2} 548271;1394061119;asciilifeform;another similar, but distinct phenomenon is 548272;1394061133;asciilifeform;people who regularly have ideas usually have fat notebooks full of strange 548273;1394061150;cazalla;asciilifeform: what's a ghost telegraph? i cannot find anything on google 548274;1394061153;asciilifeform;when these get published posthumously, quite a bit of strange is revealed 548275;1394061177;asciilifeform;e.g. karl friedrich gauss had a big fat binder that contained, among other things, both types of non-euclidean geometry. 548276;1394061187;asciilifeform;but it also had a good bit of crap. 548277;1394061254;asciilifeform;cazalla: e.g. http://anengineersaspect.blogspot.com/2013/02/life-after-death-according-to-nikola.html 548278;1394061266;asciilifeform;hard to find good material about an inventor's 'dwarf star' phase 548279;1394061278;asciilifeform;because the real demented folks inevitably pick it up and add flourishes of their own 548280;1394061281;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07010561 = 0.2804 BTC [-] {3} 548281;1394061342;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191 @ 0.00082804 = 0.1582 BTC [+] 548282;1394061342;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0039101 = 0.3128 BTC [-] {3} 548283;1394061371;asciilifeform;some 'idea people' don't have these 'coffin liner' binders 548284;1394061376;asciilifeform;they just publish everything 548285;1394061378;asciilifeform;and tend to end badly. 548286;1394061403;asciilifeform;oliver heaviside's notebooks, it is said, stoked a furnace for many years. 548287;1394061486;asciilifeform;heaviside, the fellow who turned maxwell's equations from 23 in about that many unknowns, into the 4 that we learn in school. 548288;1394061538;asciilifeform;(and coughed up terms like 'impedence') 548289;1394061674;asciilifeform;re: invention, for the impatient: 548290;1394061700;asciilifeform;the greatest heroes who ever lived, who none of us are fit even to be beheaded by, had terrible signal-to-noise ratios 548291;1394061704;asciilifeform;because that's simply how it works. 548292;1394061708;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00082548 = 10.236 BTC [-] 548293;1394061735;cazalla;i wonder if people are testing his hypothesis 548294;1394061746;asciilifeform;the most one can hope for is to get one or two major ideas 'out' 548295;1394061767;asciilifeform;how? see mp's little piece about 'art' 548296;1394061796;cazalla;in the binders full of crackpot writings as you mentioned 548297;1394061828;asciilifeform;if you dive into the binders, you're almost certainly doomed to be lost in the noise 548298;1394061868;asciilifeform;if you don't believe this, get thee to a dusty book store and buy bucky fuller's 'synergetics' I and II 548299;1394061873;asciilifeform;that was his coffin notebook 548300;1394061884;asciilifeform;that some lost soul printed up 548301;1394061911;asciilifeform;more or less unreadable - as they tend to be, using 1000s of terms known only to the dead man 548302;1394061923;asciilifeform;after all, he was writing for his own self 548303;1394062011;asciilifeform;you can try to read this stuff and make sense of it, but more often than not you'll just be 'rorschaching' your own mind. 548304;1394062013;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00082433 = 9.2325 BTC [-] {3} 548305;1394062035;asciilifeform;there are so many blanks for imagination to fill in, you'll mostly be reading the contents of the blanks. 548306;1394062440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00082973 = 6.14 BTC [+] {3} 548307;1394062814;kakobrekla;http://blog.tian.io/bitstamp-was-hacked-2-weeks-ago-and-only-now-users-are-finding-out 548308;1394062814;ozbot;Bitstamp was hacked 2 weeks ago, and only now users are finding out - tian's posthaven 548309;1394062830;asciilifeform;RIP. 548310;1394062874;kakobrekla;i dont think i have to repeat myself re bitstamp. 548311;1394062928;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00082391 = 7.9095 BTC [-] 548312;1394063020;cads;hrm 548313;1394063050;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00419947 = 0.189 BTC [-] {2} 548314;1394063056;cads;I know how to sell basic drafting services, but I need to sell some product/industrial design services and I'm not sure how to price it to the client 548315;1394063071;BingoBoingo;Two cans, One String 548316;1394063072;cads;nor am I sure how to structure the IP rights of the result 548317;1394063096;kakobrekla;BingoBoingo and a lot of gold. 548318;1394063113;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: two pounds of shit, one-pound bag. 548319;1394063118;kakobrekla;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=79 548320;1394063119;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets bash 548321;1394063129;BingoBoingo;Ah there it is 548322;1394063138;cads;the device is a wearable rapsberry pi PC case with an eyeglass display 548323;1394063194;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: There are worse things to step in than shit. 548324;1394063213;bitcoinpete;cads: $GoogleGlass-$1 548325;1394063213;BingoBoingo;An aqueous solution of hydrogen flouride would be an example 548326;1394063355;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00419947 = 0.105 BTC [-] {3} 548327;1394063357;bitcoinpete;On the exchange side, that leaves a couple Canadians, CaVirtex mostly, with a sprinkling of Quadriga and Vault of Satoshi. 548328;1394063361;bitcoinpete;What price discovery? 548329;1394063391;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 548330;1394063404;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 668.74, vol: 12773.06091168 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 654.111, vol: 11418.23508 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 668.1, vol: 8398.25382776 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 680.23, vol: 44.07164922 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 652.631904, vol: 8042.55200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 680.99, vol: 5.23012654 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 663.99055, vol: 70.66675492 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 548331;1394063428;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: BTC price is now mystical 548332;1394063474;BingoBoingo;BTC will probably keep selling between $600 to $1000 for a while until suckers selling under $1000 have no coins to part with so cheaply 548333;1394063530;BingoBoingo;From that point BTC price becomes truly etherial 548334;1394063559;BingoBoingo;People start talking in hushed tones about that time when they once controlled a WHOLE Bitcoin 548335;1394063578;jcpham;omg you have a whole bitcoin!>!!?!? 548336;1394063585;thestrin1puller;LOLOLOLOLOLOL 548337;1394063597;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: This time next year 548338;1394063607;ThickAsThieves;End of summer 548339;1394063622;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Maybe May? Maybe December 2016 548340;1394063692;bitcoinpete;That would make quite the bitbet 548341;1394063700;ThickAsThieves;we'll consolidate, everyone will be like oh now that bitcoin is stable it's so great, then July/Aug, liftoff to like $3000+ 548342;1394063713;ThickAsThieves;then crash again in winter 548343;1394063721;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08999 = 0.18 BTC [-] 548344;1394063725;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: The problem with betting on the etherial is where to source the information 548345;1394063747;ThickAsThieves;remember you don't need an index, just a source 548346;1394063755;ThickAsThieves;specified 548347;1394063782;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7282 @ 0.00083095 = 6.051 BTC [+] {2} 548348;1394063816;BingoBoingo;Well, the WSJ is blacklisted as is Coinmarket.BBQ 548349;1394063851;bitcoinpete;bingoboingo: that's where I was going 548350;1394063869;bitcoinpete;it's self-referencing 548351;1394063878;ThickAsThieves;so add if/thens 548352;1394063898;ThickAsThieves;price according to Bitstamp,Coinbase,Kraken 548353;1394063908;ThickAsThieves;in that order,whomever is still living 548354;1394063928;BingoBoingo;Isn't Kraken a scam, BitStamp two cans, and Coinbase not an exchange? 548355;1394063937;ThickAsThieves;so 548356;1394063940;ThickAsThieves;a bet is a bet 548357;1394063958;bitcoinpete;Have a list of 10 if need be 548358;1394063965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 11.96371260 BTC to 19`796 shares, 60435 satoshi per share 548359;1394063967;BingoBoingo;Only reasonable source might be BitcoinCentral 548360;1394063974;BingoBoingo;Because davout 548361;1394063981;ThickAsThieves;what if davout dies 548362;1394063998;ThickAsThieves;every source has a chance of being invalid 548363;1394064005;BingoBoingo;Fall back to MPOE's OIX 548364;1394064007;ThickAsThieves;just build a better bet 548365;1394064026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11955 @ 0.00082389 = 9.8496 BTC [-] {2} 548366;1394064028;ThickAsThieves;or even say, if Bitstamp is no longer trading 500btc per day, then this bet resolves as No 548367;1394064033;ThickAsThieves;two bets in one! 548368;1394064065;BingoBoingo;Most good Bitbets have at least 5 or 50 secret subbets tucked into them though 548369;1394064101;BingoBoingo;I.e. "Who could anticipate that S.Dice would cease to be a tradable thing" 548370;1394064133;ThickAsThieves;erik? 548371;1394064225;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: See the Yes bet on February 23rd http://bitbet.us/bet/113/bitbet-will-we-worth-more-than-satoshi-dice/ 548372;1394064247;BingoBoingo;Twas one of my better drunk bets 548373;1394064271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 548374;1394064299;BingoBoingo;Put 1 Twenty dollar Bitcoins down, recieve 5.86932711 hundred dollar Bitcoins 548375;1394064315;ThickAsThieves;thats why i love bitbet 548376;1394064332;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.83967000 BTC to 320`500 shares, 574 satoshi per share 548377;1394064336;ThickAsThieves;if yer gonna bank, bank there :) 548378;1394064344;BingoBoingo;And then I got drunk and spent most of them on Buttcoins 548379;1394064369;BingoBoingo;Lottery WInner syndrome 548380;1394064696;BingoBoingo;An exercise in "Contracts" http://deadspin.com/cortland-finnegan-uses-twitter-to-tell-the-rams-hes-le-1537223208 548381;1394064901;bitcoinpete;As much as I'd love to keep earning brownie points by chatting instead of just reading the logs like I do the scrolls, it's time to go for tonight. Cheers y'all 548382;1394065063;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0696849 = 1.3937 BTC [-] {5} 548383;1394065124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00082659 = 12.8121 BTC [+] 548384;1394065193;dub;project aaaaaaye bro, get on it 548385;1394065917;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0899879 = 0.27 BTC [-] {3} 548386;1394065918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04243323 = 0.1273 BTC [+] {3} 548387;1394066283;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0880001 = 0.176 BTC [-] {2} 548388;1394066649;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00447 = 0.447 BTC [+] 548389;1394066700;BigBlox;hey guys can anyone help me resolve a bet? 548390;1394066745;kakobrekla;hi 548391;1394066755;BigBlox;hello hello 548392;1394066772;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06700049 = 0.603 BTC [-] {2} 548393;1394066817;kakobrekla;if you are talking about bitbet, mods resolve bets, not some random strangers 548394;1394066842;BigBlox;hi, yes mods, they sent me here 548395;1394066854;BigBlox;hello strangers 548396;1394066876;BigBlox;are there any bitbets mods here? 548397;1394066893;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 400 @ 0.00082707 = 0.3308 BTC [+] 548398;1394066904;kakobrekla;perhaps, or maybe someone else will be able to help 548399;1394066961;BigBlox;k, well basically i entered the altcoin bet, that was to overtake litecoin, i said yes, i emailed and was told it was a scam, i said i didnt agree, specifically said i didnt want to cancel my bet, and it was still cancelled 548400;1394067015;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00574998 = 0.1092 BTC [+] {3} 548401;1394067089;kakobrekla;which bet is that can you give a link pointing to a bet in the list of accepted bets 548402;1394067119;BigBlox;yes, http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/ 548403;1394067137;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 347 @ 0.00446999 = 1.5511 BTC [-] 548404;1394067138;kakobrekla;how was it canceled, its is resolved as yes 548405;1394067147;BigBlox;the auroracoin bet :/ 548406;1394067246;kakobrekla;yes what about it 548407;1394067294;Duffer1;perhaps you tried to send btc after the result was known but bet wasn't closed yet 548408;1394067355;BigBlox;i doubt it, it was still open a few days after i sent it 548409;1394067377;Duffer1;odd 548410;1394067381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00447 = 0.2459 BTC [+] 548411;1394067425;kakobrekla;time closing != time when result is known 548412;1394067456;kakobrekla;sorry, i should say !==== 548413;1394067486;BigBlox;heres the date: 03-03-14 05:55 548414;1394067491;BigBlox;and it was resolved today 548415;1394067503;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.00574997 = 0.552 BTC [-] {2} 548416;1394067519;mike_c;what was your bet? link to it 548417;1394067537;BigBlox;mine is the last one, on the 3rd for .08 548418;1394067578;BingoBoingo;BigBlox: Yeah, you bet after things were know it seems, but before they had yet to be resolved. Tis a dangerous time to bet 548419;1394067579;BigBlox;i sent it before aurora beat litecoin, then i wrote to ask if they were resolving it 548420;1394067612;BigBlox;i actually didnt know if it was going to but i believed in aurora from the get go so i was pretty sure :) 548421;1394067689;BigBlox;i mean i'm glad i got my refund, not trying to be a drama queen, but i was surprised i didnt win since i was the one asking, since the 3rd 548422;1394067695;kakobrekla;then provide the necessary evidence that aurora indeed aurora had not yet crossed litecoin mkt cap at 03-03-14 05:55 (it doesnt matter when you send it, it matters when you are confirmed) 548423;1394067734;kakobrekla;and -aurora once. 548424;1394067747;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC 548425;1394067788;BigBlox;k, where do i send it 548426;1394067801;kakobrekla;this box is ok 548427;1394067812;BigBlox;i took a screen shot to show my friend :) 548428;1394067875;ThickAsThieves;http://www.scribd.com/doc/210845161/SEC-vs-pirateat40-1 548429;1394067877;ozbot;SEC vs. pirateat40 1 548430;1394067880;ThickAsThieves;http://www.scribd.com/doc/210845205/SEC-vs-pirateat40-2 548431;1394067881;ozbot;SEC vs. pirateat40 2 548432;1394067894;ThickAsThieves;highlights here http://buttcoin.org/pirateat40-became-bill-cosby-coins 548433;1394068056;ThickAsThieves;"The Fed is using curent exchange rates (3/3/14) to say investors were defrauded of $149 million" 548434;1394068134;BigBlox;oh before, i have shots of the time after it passed, how can i get that? 548435;1394068203;kakobrekla;http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Screen-Shot-2014-03-05-at-1.34.57-PM.png 548436;1394068207;kakobrekla;smickles ? 548437;1394068214;BigBlox;i mean the bet showed up on the ledger, then the next day on the 4th i emailed, does that count or can i show you an email with the time and date? 548438;1394068268;kakobrekla;ok so what does an email help to prove exactly? 548439;1394068273;asciilifeform;wait - it's a civil complaint? 548440;1394068302;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Of course this is the SEC 548441;1394068327;BingoBoingo;I believe that point had been mentioned here before... 548442;1394068348;BigBlox;the site says the bets are resolved hours after, if i bet on the 3rd and it was resolved today, then isnt that automatically legit? 548443;1394068363;kakobrekla;no 548444;1394068376;BigBlox;BitBet Mod 03-03-14 at 07:38 It has to be a coin, not a scam. Aurora is a scam, not a coin. 548445;1394068389;ThickAsThieves;Gibson named! 548446;1394068400;kakobrekla;where 548447;1394068406;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: As a beneficiary? 548448;1394068407;ThickAsThieves;you just linked it 548449;1394068411;ThickAsThieves;no 548450;1394068412;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Your buttcoin link 548451;1394068412;kakobrekla;i did? 548452;1394068416;BigBlox;on the comments 548453;1394068418;BingoBoingo;Link just mentions meeting 548454;1394068428;ThickAsThieves;i havent parsed whole doc 548455;1394068430;kakobrekla;oh right, i does. 548456;1394068438;BingoBoingo;Need to read moar to see if Gibson is beneficiary 548457;1394068460;kakobrekla;BigBitz EVIDENCE 548458;1394068500;Duffer1;big one and number two.. anyone taking bets one of those was goat? 548459;1394068510;BigBlox;what can i provide? my bet went live on the ledger on the 3rd? you guys kept the bet live until today, not sure how that isn't enough 548460;1394068533;Duffer1;prove you bet before the outcome was known, regardless of when bet closed 548461;1394068539;mike_c;in that i am feeling generous tonight, and i think he's right: 548462;1394068542;mike_c;http://i.imgur.com/gssmMI7.png 548463;1394068548;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Pirateat40 does indeed have an outstanding criminal complaint, but that is related to domestic violence 548464;1394068581;ThickAsThieves;his middle name is "T" 548465;1394068583;ThickAsThieves;hehe 548466;1394068637;kakobrekla;oh, much wow mike_c 548467;1394068645;mike_c;i know.. 548468;1394068685;mike_c;oh wait! it's wrong 548469;1394068686;kakobrekla;;;later tell mircea_popescu get the whip out. 548470;1394068687;gribble;The operation succeeded. 548471;1394068692;kakobrekla;is it? 548472;1394068696;BigBlox;i took this right after it hit: http://imgur.com/mXt6XUa 548473;1394068705;mike_c;;;calc (4 + 1) / 2 548474;1394068705;kakobrekla;;;later tell mircea_popescu put the whip back in. 548475;1394068705;gribble;2.5 548476;1394068706;gribble;The operation succeeded. 548477;1394068710;ThickAsThieves;How long have you been married? 548478;1394068711;BigBlox;other than that i'm not sure what i can give you :/ 548479;1394068716;ThickAsThieves;Oh, man, seven yeras. 548480;1394068726;mike_c;the line is at the wrong time. 548481;1394068745;Duffer1;Thickasthieves thanks for that, pretty amazing stuff 548482;1394068745;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 548483;1394068754;Duffer1;the buttcoin article i mea 548484;1394068756;Duffer1;n 548485;1394068758;BigBlox;i bet before aurora hit 300 548486;1394068814;kakobrekla;BigBitz as useful as a default windows xp background 548487;1394068817;dexX7;fyi: blockchain.info is broken, https://blockchain.info/block-height/288788 misses 225 transactions (ids: http://pastebin.com/gsa0c3iQ) 548488;1394068852;Duffer1;so Shavers is proceeding without representation? 548489;1394068857;BigBlox;thanx mike_c 548490;1394068861;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: Yeah, it seems 548491;1394068862;mike_c;no, don't thank me 548492;1394068871;mike_c;i had the wrong time. it actually looks like you were late 548493;1394068876;asciilifeform;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=502952.0 548494;1394068877;kakobrekla;dexX7 http://blockr.io/block/info/288788 548495;1394068878;ozbot;The first line of defence is taken 548496;1394068883;BigBlox;lol 548497;1394068923;dexX7;yup, blockr is correct 548498;1394068936;mike_c;but if you want to try and prove, use those charts on coinmarketcap. from what i can tell, when your bet was registered, aurora was at around 4.5 548499;1394068945;mike_c;well above litecoin 548500;1394069061;BigBlox;how about my btc transaction, doesnt that show the time i sent the bet? 548501;1394069069;BigBlox;or ID 548502;1394069071;BigBlox;i sent from my wallet 548503;1394069074;mike_c;well, sent doesn't matter, confirmed matters. 548504;1394069089;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.0001865 = 0.6528 BTC [-] {2} 548505;1394069090;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00447 = 0.2235 BTC [+] 548506;1394069150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.0001865 = 0.373 BTC [-] 548507;1394069182;BigBlox;ok, thanx anyways, all good, it probably registered late :) 548508;1394069206;kakobrekla;yes thanks mike_c :) 548509;1394069221;BigBlox;thanx kakobrekla and mike_c in the place to be! 548510;1394069233;mike_c;you're welcome! pleasing customers since 2014 548511;1394069251;kakobrekla;and remember kids, customers are always wrong. 548512;1394069256;kakobrekla;(as seen above) 548513;1394069516;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.00574999 = 1.104 BTC [+] 548514;1394069577;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 310 @ 0.00446999 = 1.3857 BTC [-] 548515;1394069638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 548516;1394069639;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 159 @ 0.00574999 = 0.9142 BTC [+] {2} 548517;1394069770;ThickAsThieves;"and when did you first give your forum password to Copumpkin?" 548518;1394069792;kakobrekla;whut 548519;1394069837;peterl;who's giving out passwords? 548520;1394069872;BingoBoingo;Wait, is there trouble in veggie prison? 548521;1394069885;Duffer1;it's the shavers testimony 548522;1394070045;punkman;such deposition, no lawyer, wow 548523;1394070288;kakobrekla;http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg5537766#msg5537766 548524;1394070290;ozbot;[ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG 548525;1394070290;kakobrekla;o lel 548526;1394070314;kakobrekla;thats what you get when retarded webdevs make exchanges, for the seventy fifth time 548527;1394070492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3925 @ 0.00082388 = 3.2337 BTC [-] 548528;1394070540;ThickAsThieves;jcpham mentioned 548529;1394070564;ThickAsThieves;someone he returned coins to 548530;1394070609;ThickAsThieves;he did not return all of gigavps coins 548531;1394070741;BingoBoingo;"No, it is just a certification company where you have to take the tests to become certified" 548532;1394070941;ThickAsThieves;"I really wouldn't consider it an exchange. It was really more of a bucket shop" (bitcoinica) 548533;1394071334;copumpkin;ThickAsThieves: hah, where's that? 548534;1394071346;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 54 @ 0.00589997 = 0.3186 BTC [+] 548535;1394071368;copumpkin;oh I see 548536;1394071553;BingoBoingo;Fuku Scribd and your shit scrolling 548537;1394071610;kakobrekla;http://blog.gdatasoftware.com/blog/article/uroburos-highly-complex-espionage-software-with-russian-roots.html 548538;1394071723;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: old news 548539;1394071740;kakobrekla;sez 28.02. 548540;1394071743;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: also only a moron - or someone trying to shift blame - leaves readable strings in a trojan. 548541;1394071784;BingoBoingo;Prolly best to leave the strings out and fill the Trojan with Spartans 548542;1394071884;copumpkin;smickles: dude, he says you were in vegas when you weren't 548543;1394071891;copumpkin;unless you were hiding 548544;1394071933;kakobrekla;maybe someone pretended to be him 548545;1394071980;copumpkin;not as far as I remember 548546;1394072017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1679 @ 0.00082313 = 1.382 BTC [-] 548547;1394072017;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58153001 BTC [-] 548548;1394072139;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00567 = 0.1871 BTC [-] {2} 548549;1394072200;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00563118 = 0.1408 BTC [-] {5} 548550;1394072283;BingoBoingo;We might have to rent a Llama for all of the drama 548551;1394072591;*;jadne looks at BingoBoingo 548552;1394072616;*;BingoBoingo is tired of Scribd, digs out the old PACER login 548553;1394072688;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0865 = 0.519 BTC [-] {2} 548554;1394072976;ThickAsThieves;wow they go thru every single pirate account holder one at a time... 548555;1394072988;copumpkin;fun 548556;1394072992;copumpkin;I haven't gotten there yet :P 548557;1394072994;copumpkin;this thing is long as fuck 548558;1394073051;ThickAsThieves;he mentions he used your account for other things 548559;1394073058;ThickAsThieves;but that the records are generally accurate 548560;1394073071;copumpkin;see, that does not ring a bell with me at all 548561;1394073077;copumpkin;we did fuck around a fair bit 548562;1394073088;copumpkin;but I don't give my passwords out and would be weirded out by someone else giving me their 548563;1394073088;copumpkin;s 548564;1394073152;ThickAsThieves;no this is referring to your savings account 548565;1394073164;copumpkin;oh 548566;1394073164;ThickAsThieves;he used people's accoutns to mask tx's 548567;1394073170;copumpkin;I see 548568;1394073184;copumpkin;why mine? :( 548569;1394073185;copumpkin;:P 548570;1394073283;benkay;where does the good stuff start, ThickAsThieves? 548571;1394073297;copumpkin;man, I'm in this thing a ot 548572;1394073300;*;copumpkin sighs 548573;1394073304;BingoBoingo;Fuck Pacer 548574;1394073363;ThickAsThieves;the underline what's interesting to them 548575;1394073373;ThickAsThieves;but what's interesting to us might be other stiff 548576;1394073376;ThickAsThieves;stuff* 548577;1394073379;benkay;"Bitstamp, you're now the replacement to MtGox. Don't screw this up." 548578;1394073383;benkay;mystical bitcoins, guys 548579;1394073485;BingoBoingo;I just can't believe Number 2, is this fucking Austin Powers? 548580;1394073527;ThickAsThieves;so many pages 548581;1394073542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07000001 = 0.7 BTC [+] {3} 548582;1394073544;Duffer1;does he give any indication of who big one and number2 are? 548583;1394073619;ThickAsThieves;no 548584;1394073663;ThickAsThieves;an interesting thing that seems to be happening is he expresses full intention to make everyone whole, something he feels he could achieve, but SEC froze his accounts 548585;1394073664;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00082427 = 11.6634 BTC [+] {2} 548586;1394073669;ThickAsThieves;and now btc is worth so much more 548587;1394073680;copumpkin;sweet, I'm rich! 548588;1394073681;copumpkin;>_> 548589;1394073682;ThickAsThieves;in a sense i wonder if he would have 548590;1394073686;copumpkin;lol 548591;1394073693;copumpkin;how could he have? 548592;1394073701;copumpkin;you can't just pull money out of thin air 548593;1394073706;ThickAsThieves;well how much would it have cost him back then 548594;1394073719;copumpkin;it was still a lot of money 548595;1394073725;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.06710001 = 1.8788 BTC [-] {8} 548596;1394073728;Duffer1;if he stopped accepting deposits and wasn't holding fiat at all.. and got lucky on justdice.. 548597;1394073786;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06695715 = 0.4687 BTC [-] {2} 548598;1394073792;Apocalyptic;<ThickAsThieves> in a sense i wonder if he would have // I'm pretty sure he wouldn't 548599;1394073860;benkay;"subfora" 548600;1394073867;ThickAsThieves;i wasnt around so i have no sense of it 548601;1394074013;ThickAsThieves;"Q: So a year after BST collapsed, you sent 202000 bitcoin to somebody who walked with it?" 548602;1394074016;ThickAsThieves;"Correct" 548603;1394074142;BingoBoingo;lol 548604;1394074144;Apocalyptic;copumpkin, so much for you anonymity heh 548605;1394074149;copumpkin;lol 548606;1394074154;copumpkin;have you tried googling my nick? 548607;1394074158;copumpkin;I don't try to stay anonymous :) 548608;1394074176;copumpkin;kind of annoyed that he keeps saying I have his password, although it doesn't seem harmful 548609;1394074224;BingoBoingo;Well, Moustakiswas the one to Bring up Gibson's last name, and the cubby white kid known as Goat is only refered to as Chaang Noi as far as I have made it so far. 548610;1394074290;benkay;"If you can adjust the price of bitcoin on your own through some market manipulation after you get them back from Big One, what do Big One's promises about what the price of bitcoin is on Mt. Gox matter?" 548611;1394074303;copumpkin;lol, pirate doesn't believe for a minute that goat's real name is chaang noi 548612;1394074304;benkay;"He's returning you bitcoin. He's not returning us dollars." 548613;1394074413;BingoBoingo;No one believe's Goat's name is Chaang Noi, but he proceeds as certain as does only remembering James of James Gibson 548614;1394074457;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00446999 = 0.1162 BTC [-] 548615;1394074609;ThickAsThieves;page 269 gets pretty funny 548616;1394074647;ThickAsThieves;they start antagonizing him over why he didn't perform days worth of computing analysis on the blockchain to provide more useful data 548617;1394074657;artifexd;"I lent 202000 bitcoins to Mr. Big Man and never got them back" <- LOL 548618;1394074728;BingoBoingo;I should have got a bigger bottle of Vodka for tonight. 548619;1394074767;ThickAsThieves;it's almost believable this wasn't technically a ponzi 548620;1394074773;ThickAsThieves;the wya he tells it 548621;1394074865;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: He was clever enough to get three quarters of a million BTC under his control. It would make sense that he could try to frame things such that he admits to being a turd, but not that ponzi wop kind of turd 548622;1394074946;BingoBoingo;Thermos is mentioned on page 39 548623;1394074958;copumpkin;thermos lol 548624;1394074974;Apocalyptic;as Thermos with the "r" ? 548625;1394075225;BingoBoingo;Thermos because when you fuck up that much, you don't get the privilege of presenting yourself as an exemplar of Classic Greek values like sodomy 548626;1394075375;ThickAsThieves;"I tell you what. I'll give you a very detailed explanation of how the Tor Network works and how Tor mail works, and you can understand what I mean ... It's designed to not be trackable, not be traceable by any form of government." 548627;1394075412;asciilifeform;lol 548628;1394075507;BingoBoingo;Page 45 clarifies that Patrick Harnett did indeed have pirate exposure (page meaning sheet and not the quarterleaf the transcriptionist for some god awful reason assented to) 548629;1394075530;copumpkin;BingoBoingo: full account info is online, btw 548630;1394075536;copumpkin;so yes we know that patrick had a large account :P 548631;1394075564;benkay;where is full account info? 548632;1394075602;BingoBoingo;copumpkin: I know, but the scenario submitted some hours ago where asciilifeform clears the entire court docket because of poor signatures isn't a think we might as well read what is entering the court records as they presently exist 548633;1394075615;copumpkin;oh 548634;1394075663;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: either too much vodka, or not enough 548635;1394075680;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Far from enough to finish these filings 548636;1394075705;BingoBoingo;The modified anthem is an engineering problem 548637;1394075741;asciilifeform;sorta like atomic submarine was engineering problem for old jules verne 548638;1394075778;asciilifeform;i should note that the idea is lifted from neal stephenson's mega-backbreaker 'anathem' 548639;1394075789;asciilifeform;where people compute using song 548640;1394075809;BingoBoingo;Yet anothing thing to read 548641;1394075811;ThickAsThieves;done with doc 1, not a lot to highlight... 548642;1394075829;BingoBoingo;Fucking Penrose wasting years 2-3 of my undergrad 548643;1394075885;asciilifeform;if you folks only ever read one book i mentioned, read that one. 548644;1394075922;BingoBoingo;Fine, I'll pause Land of Lisp and get to it. 548645;1394075923;asciilifeform;(stephenson's 'anathem' not penrose's rtr) 548646;1394076044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58152002 BTC [-] 548647;1394076066;Duffer1;mega-backbreaker lol 548648;1394076073;Duffer1;i loved that book btw ^.^ 548649;1394076098;BingoBoingo;But does Stephenson have beautiful prose like "It is still unresolved in an 'absolute' sense. Kurt Godel and Paul Cohen were able to show that the continuum hypothesis (and also the axiom of choice) is not decidable by the means of standard set theory." Chapter 16 page 5 548650;1394076104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.575875 = 2.3035 BTC [-] {4} 548651;1394076105;BingoBoingo;Hella lot of name dropping 548652;1394076133;ThickAsThieves;i'm currently reading REAMDE actually 548653;1394076158;benkay;Anathem over Gravity's Rainbow? 548654;1394076176;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: reamde was, imho, total garbage. i was about to lose respect for neal s, but then heard that it was actually written by a chum of his 548655;1394076182;asciilifeform;and published under his name for some reason 548656;1394076185;*;BingoBoingo wishes he learned to beat machines into doing math instead of learning to do math personally 548657;1394076207;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: piratebay, then 'mathematica' 548658;1394076225;artifexd;Huh. I enjoyed Reamde. Especially the discussions of in-game economics. 548659;1394076229;ThickAsThieves;great... 548660;1394076238;ThickAsThieves;i'm not crazy at least 548661;1394076245;asciilifeform;it was an ok 'airport detective shooter' but very poor stephenson. 548662;1394076250;ThickAsThieves;been wondering why the fuck everyone loved the guy so much 548663;1394076262;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I actually have a copy of Mathematica from this Dubious "Edx" thing. Apparently it is some sort of mook for pushing software? 548664;1394076264;asciilifeform;because, afaik, it wasn't stephenson at all. 548665;1394076331;ThickAsThieves;Anathem ordered 548666;1394076341;Duffer1;good choice 548667;1394076346;ThickAsThieves;juggling too many books now... 548668;1394076348;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00574997 = 0.23 BTC [+] 548669;1394076361;ThickAsThieves;need to take a flight somewhere to catch up 548670;1394076363;asciilifeform;damn i must've bought... 4... 5? copies of anathem 548671;1394076367;asciilifeform;for chums 548672;1394076381;ThickAsThieves;i just buy The Alchemist for people ;) 548673;1394076385;Duffer1;I did that with Perdido Street Station 548674;1394076392;Duffer1;by Mieville 548675;1394076422;benkay;asciilifeform have you ever read Banks Algebraist? 548676;1394076432;asciilifeform;benkay: nope 548677;1394076434;benkay;(Iain M. Banks, The Algebraist) 548678;1394076439;BingoBoingo;Oh, page 58, doc one, some gigaVPS preferential treatment 548679;1394076451;KRS-One;Algebait? 548680;1394076457;KRS-One;.bait 548681;1394076458;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/e7f8897f95417aeee08e55703ac9183d/tumblr_mpn17nfBUJ1sq44lfo1_1280.jpg 548682;1394076474;benkay;algebaiter 548683;1394076512;BingoBoingo;If anyone else wants to read RTR I recommend starting with Chapter 29 and then moving to chapter one 548684;1394076533;Duffer1;rtr? 548685;1394076563;BingoBoingo;Oh, I prolly should not mention in plaintext what just fell out from between some pages. 548686;1394076572;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: Penrose's Road to Reality 548687;1394076592;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: Great math book with some maybe wrong physics editorializing 548688;1394076680;Duffer1;looks interesting, I have added it to my list 548689;1394076690;BingoBoingo;I seriously forgot I even had this x that fell out, and kind of forgot what the x was... 548690;1394076697;ThickAsThieves;"realizing net proceeds of $164,758 from his net sales of 86,202 bitcoins" 548691;1394076701;ThickAsThieves;ouch 548692;1394076733;Duffer1;ya the "walked away with 202000" made me cringe 548693;1394076871;ThickAsThieves;"And, so long as Shavers has an internet connection, he will be in a position where future violations could be anticipated" 548694;1394076969;moiety;mew 548695;1394076978;moiety;ThickAsThieves: you here? 548696;1394076990;benkay;it's just this crazy mess of overlapping concerns 548697;1394077000;benkay;of course it blew up on him 548698;1394077015;benkay;he probably got taken to the cleaners by several different people several different ways 548699;1394077018;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what just fell out from between some pages... I seriously forgot I even had this x that fell out... << http://imgur.com/dG7MOMB 548700;1394077019;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02199999 = 0.154 BTC [+] {3} 548701;1394077022;asciilifeform;perhaps this 548702;1394077063;moiety;whats ThickAsThieves's altcoin site again? bout to send folk there 548703;1394077069;ThickAsThieves;<moiety> ThickAsThieves: you here? /// for the moment 548704;1394077076;moiety;yay! 548705;1394077085;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Something lighter, more fungible. Book's to good to pull quotes from to use it for that even though the bulk and cover quality are more than adequate. 548706;1394077088;ThickAsThieves;the site for Altcoin is www.therealaltcoin,org 548707;1394077090;ThickAsThieves;. 548708;1394077094;moiety;thanks! 548709;1394077155;BingoBoingo;moiety: I'm almost offended you have a chat site for Doge (historical translations for that term are unpleasant) but not Altcoin 548710;1394077173;moiety;um what would you have said if i wanted to set that up? 548711;1394077190;benkay;BingoBoingo: you're too close! pull up! pull up! 548712;1394077195;moiety;just linked to it ThickAsThieves ... people were discussing what alt to get into, told them that 548713;1394077202;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 275 @ 0.00089499 = 0.2461 BTC [+] {3} 548714;1394077203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.0055 = 0.385 BTC 548715;1394077220;asciilifeform;moiety: the best alt is 'slavecoin' 548716;1394077231;asciilifeform;moiety: the only minus is that it has to be built first 548717;1394077239;BingoBoingo;moiety: I would have said yes, seems like a decent investment for a joke coin. Especially if the gambling bots could be revived. 548718;1394077246;moiety;lol i was about to say i hadnt heard of that one! 548719;1394077271;moiety;aye but we're just bleeding doge, its not a money maker 548720;1394077289;moiety;was just what was left over from loq 548721;1394077295;moiety;well, cc 548722;1394077337;moiety;kinda went doge because thats what we'd already been asked for ... more than getting btc back 548723;1394077344;moiety;weirdly 548724;1394077379;moiety;would you have even wanted invoolved in a chat?! 548725;1394077402;BingoBoingo;moiety: Maybe if it was Altcoin chat 548726;1394077408;moiety;i thought you thought i should give up altogether on it 548727;1394077412;BingoBoingo;Not Doge though 548728;1394077424;moiety;no i did worry about telling you actually lol 548729;1394077440;moiety;you havent disowned me though :) 548730;1394077448;benkay;where is your coinchat located, moiety? 548731;1394077449;BingoBoingo;moiety: THe chatsite thing really it seems can't work as other than a chumpatron 548732;1394077475;moiety;https:dogechat.net -- still lots to be done to it though benkay! 548733;1394077492;moiety;https://dogechat.net lets try that again 548734;1394077516;moiety;people are being bizarre about my photo already, im taking it off 548735;1394077526;Apocalyptic;why does that remind me of coinchat by TF ? 548736;1394077538;moiety;because its his code but heavily tweaked 548737;1394077539;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: TF dumped it onto moiety 548738;1394077558;moiety;i think i was the only one that couldnt say no 548739;1394077605;benkay;pay much for it? 548740;1394077612;moiety;although it's doge, this one is going a lot better BingoBoingo .. it's like the start of cc again 548741;1394077622;moiety;not a thing, he wanted to get rid of it benkay 548742;1394077629;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1009 @ 0.0044 = 4.4396 BTC [-] {2} 548743;1394077636;moiety;and people didnt want it to close 548744;1394077649;*;moiety has mug on her forehead 548745;1394077674;BingoBoingo;According to the narrative I understand moiety was merely a bigger chump than the rest 548746;1394077695;benkay;typing while balancing 548747;1394077700;benkay;hie thee to the circus! 548748;1394077704;moiety;bingo, ive probably been the biggest after all the backlash when i was just trying to help 548749;1394077724;BingoBoingo;moiety: Well, the price was free for a reason 548750;1394077764;moiety;i did say no the first three or so times 548751;1394077795;moiety;i do like the people (mostly) and i feel bad just disappearing, you know? 548752;1394077808;benkay;*obligatory wolf joke reference* 548753;1394077833;benkay;"You have zero record of lending 202000 bitcoins to The Big One the second week of July, 2012; is that right?" 548754;1394077837;benkay;"I'm going to find it." 548755;1394077846;BingoBoingo;Two wolf corner a sheep to poll what is for dinner, the sheep has a Nagant 548756;1394077960;asciilifeform;nubbins around? he should draw this scene 548757;1394077988;benkay;i was thinking about the dick sucking, but let's not suffer nubbins` rendition of that, please. 548758;1394078006;asciilifeform;german and partizan uniforms optional 548759;1394078089;BingoBoingo;The Kalishkinov been trendy for decades, but partisans have been using the Mossin Nagant for more than a century nao 548760;1394078116;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: other nagan - http://reibert.info/attachments/n2-jpg.2913873/ 548761;1394078168;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Involvement of their products really is a prerequisite for a proper world war 548762;1394078264;benkay;subject of, how's the promontory, BingoBoingo? 548763;1394078284;BingoBoingo;Which one benkay? 548764;1394078294;BingoBoingo;Price is hard to beat http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=7704 548765;1394078323;benkay;crimea 548766;1394078336;benkay;it's pretty funny how shavers keeps saying 'i see where you 548767;1394078338;BingoBoingo;benkay: Uniformed forces are still far away it seems 548768;1394078348;benkay;re going with this' just a sentence or two late 548769;1394078422;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 397 @ 0.00089499 = 0.3553 BTC [+] {2} 548770;1394078434;BingoBoingo;Expendables for the Mosin get expensive fast though http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=607 548771;1394078484;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 48 @ 0.00366086 = 0.1757 BTC [-] 548772;1394078660;benkay;oh this is amazing 548773;1394078660;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 548774;1394078760;moiety;we could make chess from those 548775;1394078771;BingoBoingo;Max Keiser's employer http://rt.com/usa/rt-reacts-liz-wahl-042/ 548776;1394078788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16605 @ 0.00082382 = 13.6795 BTC [-] 548777;1394078910;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.085 = 0.17 BTC [-] 548778;1394079088;benkay;is Vandroidy still around? 548779;1394079096;benkay;;;ident Vandroidy 548780;1394079096;gribble;Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead. 548781;1394079101;benkay;;;gpg info 548782;1394079102;gribble;(gpg info [--key|--address] <nick>) -- Returns the registration details of registered user <nick>. If '--key' option is given, interpret <nick> as a GPG key ID. 548783;1394079112;benkay;;;gpg info Vandroidy 548784;1394079113;gribble;No such user registered. 548785;1394079116;benkay;;;seen Vandroidy 548786;1394079116;gribble;I have not seen Vandroidy. 548787;1394079134;benkay;5kbtc bet against the BCST scam and not in IRC? 548788;1394079145;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, Nagans: http://imgur.com/jxCM3h4 548789;1394079171;BingoBoingo;Putin takes Crimea, Us does http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/02/state-department-cscc-troll-terrorists-twitter-think-again-turn-away 548790;1394079284;asciilifeform;u.s. reduced to asking people politely not to clobber it, news at 11 548791;1394079315;joecool;man i wish the US would hire me to troll on IRC, just a few mil, i'd be down 548792;1394079337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00082382 = 25.456 BTC [-] 548793;1394079383;BingoBoingo;joecool: Ask them to pay in BTC 548794;1394079401;BingoBoingo;Smaller number cheaper cost 548795;1394079459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08433333 = 0.253 BTC [-] {2} 548796;1394079461;joecool;true 548797;1394079491;joecool;probably costs them more though, they have them high speed printers for freedom money 548798;1394079550;BingoBoingo;joecool: How many links in the chain of eurocrats will protest though 548799;1394079625;moiety;BingoBoingo: didn't realise you came by til now 548800;1394079634;moiety;sorry i didnt see 548801;1394079690;BingoBoingo;moiety: Had to close the tab. Dogers were trying to talk to me. 548802;1394079728;moiety;lol i am sorry ... i can't shut them up (good for me though) 548803;1394079745;moiety;see i still have stuff to do as well 548804;1394079761;moiety;what did you think apart from the dogers? 548805;1394079799;BingoBoingo;Eh, looks the same. 548806;1394079832;moiety;i'm struggling with killing the cat, can't lie 548807;1394079858;BingoBoingo;I've heard feedback on that cat. "Doge site with a fucking cat?" 548808;1394079874;joecool;moiety: got a chinese restaurant near you? 548809;1394079900;BingoBoingo;moiety: You are familiar with wet dog smell right? 548810;1394079945;moiety;BingoBoingo: when we go to change it (we have doge drawings now); people complain as well. i think i'll get them to vote on it. and ew yes wet dog smell. fortunately, it doesn't rain much on the interwebz 548811;1394079962;*;moiety gasps at joecool ! 548812;1394079994;BingoBoingo;moiety: What smells like wet dogs? also get some clips on joecool 548813;1394080025;moiety;we cats? 548814;1394080028;moiety;wet* 548815;1394080177;BingoBoingo;moiety: Maybe the politically incorrect thing doesn't translate well across the ocean 548816;1394080208;moiety;yeah i'm totally lost 548817;1394080251;joecool;me too 548818;1394080291;BingoBoingo;moiety: Fucking Crackers smell like wet dogs http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wet+dog 548819;1394080299;BingoBoingo;;;ud wet dog 548820;1394080300;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wet%20dog | what a white person smells like after getting rained on, running long distances, or just getting sweaty/wet. 548821;1394080300;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: Wet dog 548822;1394080313;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 25 @ 0.02220042 = 0.555 BTC [+] {2} 548823;1394080362;moiety;lol sorry i have honestly never heard that before BingoBoingo ! 548824;1394080366;joecool;same 548825;1394080369;benkay;moiety they'll never appreciate any work you do for free 548826;1394080371;benkay;so fuck 'em 548827;1394080377;BingoBoingo;Seriouly, white people smell like wet dogs 548828;1394080403;moiety;benkay: couple wee shits that were throwing tantrums at the old site are getting told to get to fuck from the new one :) 548829;1394080421;moiety;I smell like mangos 548830;1394080429;joecool;BingoBoingo: where you from? 548831;1394080435;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58999999 BTC [+] 548832;1394080442;moiety;mango body butter ftw 548833;1394080471;benkay;rub it all over y'self ;) 548834;1394080472;BingoBoingo;joecool: A place, Do you want coordinates in traditional 3+1 dimensional space or 2+2 twistor space? 548835;1394080493;moiety;head to toe afterr every shower benkay! i'll be a mango soon! 548836;1394080503;benkay;sounds tasty 548837;1394080519;benkay;great mangos in argentina, apropos only of mangos 548838;1394080521;benkay;.bait 548839;1394080522;BingoBoingo;moiety: Doesn't it frost in fogland where you are from? If you go outside you will die! 548840;1394080522;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/de79cc75b73015807bbf9b6fa9a74a7c/tumblr_mffv6x5O741r13a9go1_1280.jpg 548841;1394080534;benkay;.bait 548842;1394080536;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbpk8jnXRq1qg3cg3o1_1280.jpg 548843;1394080546;benkay;great mangos there, too ^^ 548844;1394080557;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+] 548845;1394080569;moiety;i think that last bait is the best one yet 548846;1394080581;benkay;my mangos seem to have manufactured some meat for me so i'm going to man off meow 548847;1394080606;moiety;BingoBoingo: this is why im a housecat 548848;1394080633;moiety;practically freeze to death indoors 548849;1394080679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58999999 = 1.77 BTC [-] 548850;1394080693;asciilifeform;moiety: http://i.imgur.com/hKk5a77.jpg 548851;1394080760;moiety;asciilifeform: that's the best cat ever! is it real?! 548852;1394080769;asciilifeform;moiety: it is! 548853;1394080776;asciilifeform;moiety: it's called manul. 548854;1394080787;moiety;that man looks so pleased to see it! 548855;1394080791;moiety;how is it so big?! 548856;1394080801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1352 @ 0.00018798 = 0.2541 BTC [+] {2} 548857;1394080806;asciilifeform;moiety: it's a big cat. lives in the steppes. 548858;1394080835;moiety;i need to live there 548859;1394080859;moiety;the guys with the german sherpherds look a bit deflated next to the cat 548860;1394080863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62979 @ 0.00082309 = 51.8374 BTC [-] {4} 548861;1394080864;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.58999999 = 3.54 BTC [-] 548862;1394080923;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18288 @ 0.00082212 = 15.0349 BTC [-] 548863;1394081298;moiety;they are so pretty asciilifeform wiki tries to tell us they are small pffft 548864;1394081319;asciilifeform;moiety: approx. the size of two regulation housecats. 548865;1394081341;moiety;is the imgur one just a huge one? 548866;1394081358;moiety;its like 20 of mine 548867;1394081359;asciilifeform;moiety: mostly fur, i imagine. 548868;1394081368;moiety;oh how cosy 548869;1394081369;asciilifeform;moiety: and perhaps a little photoshop 548870;1394081394;moiety;no.. no photoshop. *denial* 548871;1394081511;asciilifeform;moiety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_LGaK3oxIk 548872;1394081533;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38545 @ 0.0008244 = 31.7765 BTC [+] {2} 548873;1394081587;BingoBoingo;Steppes music sounds like Missouri music 548874;1394081610;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: afaik mongolia 548875;1394081771;moiety;asciilifeform: lol the music makes that video. i like how the cat tried to take on the blanket 548876;1394081801;BingoBoingo;That feral looks a lot my a friend's ex's cat, "Gracie" the beast was called 548877;1394081834;moiety;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy8sKM_ZK4w BABIES! 548878;1394081838;asciilifeform;http://www.arkinspace.com/2011/04/manul-cat-that-time-forgot.html 548879;1394081839;ozbot;Manul – the Cat that Time Forgot ~ The Ark In Space 548880;1394081883;moiety;gracie is a lovely name 548881;1394081899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00405 = 0.2147 BTC [-] {3} 548882;1394082015;BingoBoingo;Gracie is an ugly cat though 548883;1394082021;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 297 @ 0.00500236 = 1.4857 BTC [-] {4} 548884;1394082168;moiety;i am officially in love. those cats are amazing, they havent changed! 548885;1394082168;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 548886;1394082336;moiety;seriously, this thing just gets better: "When it is threatened it raises and quivers the upper lip, Elvis like, revealing a large canine tooth." 548887;1394082417;mircea_popescu;sooo pirate named names huh. 548888;1394082446;Duffer1;vegas conference attendees as far as i saw /didn't read the whole thing though 548889;1394082448;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00553604 = 0.238 BTC [-] {6} 548890;1394082510;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04279995 = 0.1284 BTC [+] {2} 548891;1394082521;benkay;some preferential treatment disclosed. 548892;1394082524;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/486/james-gibson-aka-gigavps-to-be-named-as/ 548893;1394082527;ozbot;BitBet - James Gibson aka gigavps to be named as Pirate ponzi scheme fraudulent beneficiary 548894;1394082527;benkay;hey mircea_popescu is Vandroidy still around? 548895;1394082529;mircea_popescu;that should be quite interesting. 548896;1394082533;mircea_popescu;benkay sort-of. 548897;1394082548;benkay;sort-of? 548898;1394082548;mircea_popescu;;;later tell jborkl shocking, i tell ya. 548899;1394082548;gribble;The operation succeeded. 548900;1394082558;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gigavps how's it going scammer boy ? 548901;1394082558;gribble;The operation succeeded. 548902;1394082563;BingoBoingo;lol 548903;1394082565;mircea_popescu;idiot. 548904;1394082608;BingoBoingo;Just think, time machine and you could have killed BTCST in November 2011 548905;1394082624;mircea_popescu;you mean april. 548906;1394082627;BingoBoingo;Maybe even April 2011 for 500BTC 548907;1394082629;mircea_popescu;o 2011. heh. 548908;1394082638;mircea_popescu;you know i wasn't even there ;/ 548909;1394082641;BingoBoingo;But then you'd miss Harnet 548910;1394082656;mircea_popescu;what do you want from me, i only showed up that summer 548911;1394082668;mircea_popescu;takes someone A FEW MONTHS to catch up and spread the roots you know ? 548912;1394082685;mircea_popescu;kinda how i ended up with "6 months". if it took me ~3... 548913;1394082730;BingoBoingo;Oh, if only S.TimeMachine was a thing 548914;1394082763;mircea_popescu;anyway, BingoBoingo : if i HAD done that, for all the laurels and glory (which no noobs can be bothered to even know about, so... it doesn't help THEM) the "community" of fucktards would have actually fallen for a much bigger ponzi much later, 548915;1394082773;mircea_popescu;that i'd have been equally powerless to do anything about 548916;1394082788;BingoBoingo;Eh, much later ponzi might have taught more 548917;1394082788;mircea_popescu;because the scammer would have said "this time it's different", and the way the primate brain works that'd have been enough. 548918;1394082801;mircea_popescu;so... ironically it'd have been a lot worse for everyone. 548919;1394082810;BingoBoingo;These are the reasons I drink to consult my lizard brain 548920;1394082819;mircea_popescu;heh 548921;1394082824;benkay;oh, there won't be any more ponzi's in bitcoin? 548922;1394082840;mircea_popescu;benkay yes, there will be. just copumpkin won't be whitenighting them. 548923;1394082857;mircea_popescu;which obviously i mean in a general manner. well meaning but naive geeks will know to defer that time 548924;1394082865;mircea_popescu;as they didn't previously. 548925;1394082937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39711 @ 0.00082727 = 32.8517 BTC [+] 548926;1394082967;benkay;if not last season's socks, a new seasons. what's the actual difference? 548927;1394082988;mircea_popescu;no, there's a difference. 548928;1394083003;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is non inflationary. this makes early things dwarf late things in importance. 548929;1394083058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.11300001 = 0.226 BTC [-] 548930;1394083062;mircea_popescu;anyway, funny how this guy's brain works. so he gets summoned, and he responds. *then* he feigns to ignore further proceedings. 548931;1394083074;mircea_popescu;which, as you pointed out, is real fucking smart. and now he actually responds. 548932;1394083086;mircea_popescu;possibly worst legal strategy of the century award. 548933;1394083113;benkay;twitter 'strategy' 548934;1394083116;Duffer1;that and going it without representation 548935;1394083119;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.11300001 = 0.226 BTC [-] 548936;1394083135;benkay;mircea_popescu would have you believe representation is for the weak of mind, Duffer1 548937;1394083139;Duffer1;and admitting to not reading the subpeona where it asks him to retain certain information.. 548938;1394083155;mircea_popescu;benkay wait what ?! 548939;1394083171;mircea_popescu;o o nm i read it backwards. yes, it is. and yes, he is. so... 548940;1394083234;mircea_popescu;ahahahaah o jesus god, "do you know reeses_ name ?" "art. a-r-t" "and last name ?" "i have no idea" 548941;1394083257;mircea_popescu;"and do you watch seinfeld ?" "yes i do!" "do you understand anything ?" "well as much as anyone on the forum ever understands of what's going on before their eyes 548942;1394083259;mircea_popescu;" 548943;1394083296;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It took the SEC dude to throw out Giga's last name 548944;1394083317;mircea_popescu;what was it, "llc" ? 548945;1394083339;mircea_popescu;hay folks my name is james llc, for srs. let's do some business which then i'll pretend is covered by the company named after me. 548946;1394083346;BingoBoingo;lol 548947;1394083373;benkay;didja get to "business cognition"? 548948;1394083379;mircea_popescu;because that is totally how limited liability works, you hafta not disclose it and misrepresent it to be shielded. 548949;1394083404;mircea_popescu;benkay i'm not reading that shit, just got some parts sent over 548950;1394083407;mircea_popescu;why, is it that good ? 548951;1394083445;benkay;it's what he owes his father or uncle some money for 548952;1394083454;benkay;http://www.linkedin.com/company/business-cognition 548953;1394083455;ozbot;Business Cognition | LinkedIn 548954;1394083459;benkay;resolving to http://www.buscog.com/ 548955;1394083466;mircea_popescu;heh. 548956;1394083481;mircea_popescu;you know it makes you wonder aboput the united states. 548957;1394083496;mircea_popescu;in that you know, twentysomethings end up in troubkel all over the world, by virtue of being kids 548958;1394083519;mircea_popescu;but they customarily hide their stupidity from family and esp senior male relatives 548959;1394083540;mircea_popescu;in the us tho, it's backwards, they do it as a joint venture. so are there no males in that country over the mental age of ~17 or what the fuck ? 548960;1394083581;mircea_popescu;i mean i used to think it's only the case for poor black people, lil wayne and whatnot. then i thought it's only the case for poor people generally. now i'm starting to think its simply what the murican male is. the us culture, if you will. 548961;1394083607;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.0001865 = 0.1306 BTC [-] 548962;1394083608;BingoBoingo;Of the two parts of the Pirate at 40 shit, part one is definitely the lulzier one 548963;1394083633;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo or whoever feels like it : why not make a curated version on yer blogs ? 548964;1394083662;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It is too old for me to provide solid context. 548965;1394083668;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.004041 = 0.101 BTC [-] 548966;1394083679;mircea_popescu;(the hidden benefit here is this : through curating it you expose your unknowledge to scrutiny, ie, if you cut out something that turns out to have been important you get to learn it was, and so fix your head) 548967;1394083699;benkay;i've published some bits. 548968;1394083718;BingoBoingo;I really haven't found unimportant bits yet. 548969;1394083728;mircea_popescu;benkay ya but it has to be exhaustive for the thing to work, otherwise the narcissist self always cops out to "Well it was just some bits". and besides, weren't you coding ? 548970;1394083729;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0428 = 0.2568 BTC [+] 548971;1394083731;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.004041 = 0.2425 BTC [-] 548972;1394083741;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well then that's also illustrative :D 548973;1394083768;benkay;should be yeah 548974;1394083772;BingoBoingo;There's stupid from both Pirate and the SEC stooge 548975;1394083808;BingoBoingo;Eastern District of Texas is a BTC no mans land 548976;1394083826;chetty;hmm I wonder, the SEC seems to be trying to imply that BigOne and #2 were the same person, wonder if they have somethiing there? If either one actually existed of course 548977;1394083846;benkay;there's a pretty hilarious interchange where Shavers says something retarded and the stooge asks "you're getting a job at support dot com, right?" 548978;1394083912;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.0055 = 0.121 BTC 548979;1394083952;joecool;benkay: when i saw that i remembered noted other OTC scammer aethero works at support.com 548980;1394083956;BingoBoingo;chetty: I think SEC is trying to trap that BIg One and Number two are figments of Pirate's imagination 548981;1394083958;joecool;those two are probably BFF's 548982;1394083975;BingoBoingo;joecool: They might be the same 548983;1394083985;joecool;aethero sure had a lot of figments of his imagination 548984;1394083989;HeySteve;I linked to MPOE-PR's Bitcoin Foundation thread, I think it's good they get called to account 548985;1394084026;joecool;aethero still has great trust :P 548986;1394084029;joecool;;;gettrust aethero 548987;1394084030;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user joecool to user aethero: Level 1: -10, Level 2: 3 via 18 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=aethero | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=aethero | Rated since: Wed May 2 19:24:52 2012 548988;1394084055;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo by the way, an important point : the reason the "media" sucks is not that they've sold out or follow external policies or w/e. it's that they are writing WITH THEIR READER IN MIND. the former then flows from this naturally, but it does not make a difference if you write with the reader in mind so as to advertise to it, or save its soul or merely inform it. it's all the same, and it's wrong. 548989;1394084086;mircea_popescu;write for yourself, as your own thing. think of it as picking up women : you don't puick up women by picking up women, you pick up women by doing *any other thing* 548990;1394084127;mircea_popescu;joecool course in fairness aethero is more like noted lunatic. 548991;1394084166;mircea_popescu;and he doesn't seem to have that great trust neh ? 548992;1394084170;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust aethero 548993;1394084170;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user aethero: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 17 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=aethero | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=aethero | Rated since: Wed May 2 19:24:52 2012 548994;1394084196;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well it turn out this n00b sports betting guide is turning in to a bunch of parts I need to organize for my own benefit. 548995;1394084209;BingoBoingo;A good portion of it is already in the logs 548996;1394084217;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 308 @ 0.004041 = 1.2446 BTC [-] 548997;1394084221;mircea_popescu;a ok, that works too. 548998;1394084234;benkay;heh i saw EV- and moved on 548999;1394084271;BingoBoingo;It's just the machine language of the lizard brain I consult for bets is rather dense. 549000;1394084278;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00082658 = 5.91 BTC [-] 549001;1394084310;BingoBoingo;benkay: SOme bets can be plus EV, It is just there is a 2+ month wait between those. 549002;1394084327;benkay;i'm already long bitcoin 549003;1394084333;benkay;seems crazy enough for this decade 549004;1394084339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.004041 = 0.2142 BTC [-] {2} 549005;1394084357;BingoBoingo;Gambling as entertainment and Gambling as pseudo-investment are very different things. 549006;1394084386;mircea_popescu;gesus god check out asciilifeform being quotable : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#548251 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#548254 549007;1394084390;mircea_popescu;it's like he's on a roll 549008;1394084394;BingoBoingo;As a mentioned a while ago the best reason to bet on an outcome is to make the watching it more enjoyable 549009;1394084400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 459 @ 0.004041 = 1.8548 BTC [-] {2} 549010;1394084436;BingoBoingo;Yeah asciilifeform has been so quatable today 549011;1394084463;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: even linked http://i.imgur.com/hKk5a77.jpg 549012;1394084516;mircea_popescu;im totally stealing this and publishing it myself. 549013;1394084518;mircea_popescu;it's too good. 549014;1394084567;BingoBoingo;lol 549015;1394084583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00082727 = 1.9027 BTC [+] 549016;1394084583;mircea_popescu;cads so ask. 549017;1394084644;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.004041 = 0.2182 BTC [-] 549018;1394084760;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=502567.0 549019;1394084762;ozbot;Project Abro 549020;1394084773;Duffer1;"Whatever I talk, I do with you, for you must benefit you. Further, the funds you spend on my way to be purposefully utilized." 549021;1394084807;benkay;ABROOOOOO 549022;1394084810;benkay;amazing 549023;1394084810;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 549024;1394084855;Namworld;Buzzword cesspool? 549025;1394084869;Duffer1;omg 549026;1394084881;Duffer1;i can't even describe that post 549027;1394084914;Namworld;High as fuck? 549028;1394084920;cads;haha, I like it 549029;1394084939;Namworld;Mental institute fugitive? 549030;1394084947;cads;I"m reading it in alec baldwin's voice. 549031;1394084954;Duffer1;lol 549032;1394084971;benkay;Most of the time people can't express their feelings. It has to be thrown out. Once it is thrown out, he/she feels light and refreshed. 549033;1394084971;benkay;This is the kind of service I'm offering here. 549034;1394084971;benkay;Consider me representing the one who troubled you, or I'm the situation that made you into trouble. 549035;1394084971;benkay;You might have to throw out all your frustrations, feelings etc. 549036;1394084972;mircea_popescu;maybe we're finally seeing markov chain ipos 549037;1394084974;benkay;I will get in touch with you in skype. 549038;1394084977;benkay;Scold me, spit at me, and express all of your feelings. Use all the filthy words as you can. Once you have done, your mind is filtered out with all the frustrations. 549039;1394084980;benkay;Your life will become beautiful. You get enormous energy. You will succeed in all your activities then. 549040;1394084984;benkay;Still, again someone will trouble you. Come again, take my skype session and spit at me. You will feel better. 549041;1394084988;benkay;While chatting if your feelings are very strong, I may scream for you. Don't stop, continue till the session ends. 549042;1394084988;Duffer1;it's an ipo for a pyramid scam that's also a futures bond and a cult 549043;1394084990;benkay;If you are not in a desire to spit at me, you may even let your neighbor/friend or anyone to utilize the service and spit at me. 549044;1394084996;benkay;i think this is something the forum needs to be chumpatron'd with 549045;1394085008;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 sounds just about descriptive of the moss that's in between average joe's ears. 549046;1394085053;Duffer1;i can't agree this time, this is a special kind of fail 549047;1394085071;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.004041 = 1.2123 BTC [-] 549048;1394085072;cads;hahaha 549049;1394085079;Namworld;Abro is love, Abro is life. All praise Abro. 549050;1394085159;Namworld;Is he ipoing the universe? He's ipoing the universe. 549051;1394085180;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/RealCarrotFacts/status/441416835976925184 549052;1394085180;ozbot;Twitter / RealCarrotFacts: Carrot taste good even if you ... 549053;1394085193;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.004041 = 0.8082 BTC [-] 549054;1394085254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6586 @ 0.00082658 = 5.4439 BTC [-] 549055;1394085583;benkay;abro akbar 549056;1394085625;BingoBoingo;lol 549057;1394085644;BingoBoingo;Anyone else see SVU tonight? 549058;1394085654;moiety;wtaf is that post?! i like the mandatory note for "the service" 549059;1394085672;moiety;the btctalk one ^ 549060;1394085675;Duffer1;the whole thread so far is fucking brilliant 549061;1394085800;BingoBoingo;http://www.examiner.com/article/feline-internet-sensation-colonel-meow-dies 549062;1394085800;ozbot;Feline Internet sensation Colonel Meow dies - Chicago Cats | Examiner.com 549063;1394085925;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.004041 = 0.1212 BTC [-] 549064;1394086037;benkay;i just realized that we have b-list feline internet celebrites 549065;1394086046;BingoBoingo;benkay: We do indeed 549066;1394086054;benkay;okay i get it mircea_popescu a penny from every human on earth makes for pathological everything 549067;1394086073;mircea_popescu;waitwat? 549068;1394086104;benkay;pennies from everyone and spears and such 549069;1394086129;mircea_popescu;i think you all've been cooped in here too long, and you're approaching some sort of mystical breakthrough of which i'm sadly left out :( 549070;1394086141;benkay;britney spears 549071;1394086207;moiety;how has there been a webz cat i didn't know about :o 549072;1394086235;BingoBoingo;Eh, in about 8 hours I'm driving 200 miles for a decent lunch. Well, maybe a bit more than 8 hours from nao. Depends how long I am passed out. 549073;1394086287;moiety;200 miles :o 549074;1394086303;moiety;its not icy is it? 549075;1394086365;BingoBoingo;moiety: Not icy atm, just driving 200 miles for 15 minutes of errand and lunch. 549076;1394086365;moiety;oh god have you seen arscoin? 549077;1394086377;BingoBoingo;If only Dooglus ran this casino http://gawker.com/gambler-sues-casino-over-the-500-000-he-lost-while-bla-1537450594 549078;1394086413;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.004041 = 2.0205 BTC [-] 549079;1394086426;moiety;http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/behold-arscoin-our-own-custom-cryptocurrency/ 549080;1394086426;ozbot;Behold Arscoin, our own custom cryptocurrency | Ars Technica 549081;1394086430;moiety;wut 549082;1394086434;benkay;old nooz 549083;1394086442;benkay;also webwallet onry i hear 549084;1394086457;BingoBoingo;Premined scam 549085;1394086458;moiety;but but you can buy a gold username! 549086;1394086463;moiety;wtaf 549087;1394086544;moiety;is the GnuTLS bug old news too? im so slow 549088;1394086562;benkay;mhm 549089;1394086574;benkay;hey moiety have you heard about the multicoin wallet? 549090;1394086598;benkay;they herd u liek crypto and obfuscated the source so they can steal your coins while you doge 549091;1394086698;moiety;i heard they were wanting to make one but i didn't know it had come to fruition 549092;1394086725;benkay;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/05_multicoinwallet-considered-harmful.html 549093;1394086725;ozbot;MultiCoinWallet: Considered Harmful 549094;1394086816;benkay;not to imply you yourself are a thick sucker 549095;1394086821;benkay;you're in -assets, after all. 549096;1394086824;benkay;an assette! 549097;1394087001;moiety;lol i like it 549098;1394087021;moiety;the wallet not so much, good article. i wouldn't have touched it with someone else's anyways 549099;1394087102;moiety;ha i like the next one too 549100;1394087138;moiety;you need a subscribing list 549101;1394087145;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58999999 BTC [-] 549102;1394087169;BingoBoingo;benkay is good at turning out the really pointed messages 549103;1394087196;moiety;he is very to-the-point, which = win 549104;1394087226;moiety;that lol 549105;1394087228;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kakobrekla cazalla http://trilema.com/2014/hi-this-is-the-article-title/ 549106;1394087252;mircea_popescu;benkay ah ah yes. 549107;1394087267;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0040401 = 0.404 BTC [-] 549108;1394087328;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3000 @ 0.00089005 = 2.6702 BTC [-] {2} 549109;1394087380;Duffer1;http://www.extremetech.com/computing/177882-massive-linux-security-flaw-dwarfs-apples-cryptography-problems-of-just-last-week 549110;1394087381;ozbot;Massive Linux security flaw dwarfs Apple’s cryptography problems of just last week | ExtremeTech 549111;1394087406;mircea_popescu;yeh was here last week but worth repeating. 549112;1394087450;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1717 @ 0.00396239 = 6.8034 BTC [-] {10} 549113;1394087452;moiety;i just heard of it today too 549114;1394087519;BingoBoingo;Oh, Archer mentioned Bitcoin this week 549115;1394087551;mircea_popescu;which archer 549116;1394087583;Duffer1;tv show 549117;1394087617;mircea_popescu;"Allowing drunk patrons to gamble and serving obviously intoxicated patrons are both illegal under Nevada law. Johnston's lawyer says his client's story is bolstered by surveillance video and eyewitness testimony." 549118;1394087640;mircea_popescu;this is actually a bit of a problem, people can sit down at their computer drunk as fuck and think hye, gamble my whole wallet on dice! 549119;1394087652;mircea_popescu;obviously not the dice site's problem, but also kind-of dangerous for the random idiot. 549120;1394087667;BingoBoingo;And this is why Dice suck. 549121;1394087684;mircea_popescu;well maybe. 549122;1394087709;mike_c;because you've never blown money on sports while drunk ;) 549123;1394087721;mircea_popescu;tbh i think dices have a future, but as backing for other services. they're currently exposed to the general public becaus e whatever, we're in the pdp and vax days over here. 549124;1394087739;mircea_popescu;but generally speaking, the dice model is the engine that can power a lot of cool applications down the road. 549125;1394087755;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.00089 = 1.335 BTC [-] 549126;1394087756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 204 @ 0.00386019 = 0.7875 BTC [-] {3} 549127;1394087759;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Actually totally plaster in sports have offered much better returns than sober and axious 549128;1394087777;mircea_popescu;i wonder if the same is true of the players. 549129;1394087800;mike_c;it is at least more fun 549130;1394087816;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.0038518 = 0.1502 BTC [-] {2} 549131;1394087841;mircea_popescu;i wonder if superbowl/whatever advertising sports will eventualyl run out of money so bad they'll add new rules such as "each player must drink twelve shots of vodka before going on the field" 549132;1394087842;BingoBoingo;I've only had one huge gambling loss totally plastered. 549133;1394087877;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 390 @ 0.00385512 = 1.5035 BTC [+] {3} 549134;1394087890;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: They might. For football it might be necessary. Actually the biggest PED among handegg players I've seen is the ganja. 549135;1394087896;cazalla;mircea_popescu: can i put that mention on my resume? seriously though, there is much to learn here for someone like me 549136;1394087905;mircea_popescu;cazalla lol sure. 549137;1394087933;mircea_popescu;whatever you do to your resume it can't end up worse than that exchange expert guy from a while back 549138;1394088074;BingoBoingo;Seriously, baseball's saving grace is it mixes the randomness of dice with the potential for talent 549139;1394088308;BingoBoingo;Hashtag! DangerZone 549140;1394088792;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 32 @ 0.57191533 = 18.3013 BTC [-] {12} 549141;1394088853;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0039 = 1.17 BTC [+] 549142;1394088932;mircea_popescu;please allow me to spam : 549143;1394088936;mircea_popescu;Q: Next account, Gigavps, is this a true and accurate reflection of Gigavps' account history with Bitcoin Savings & Trust from on or about April 3rd, 2012 through on or about August 22, 2012 ? 549144;1394088936;mircea_popescu;A: No. 549145;1394088936;mircea_popescu;Q: What stands out at you as being incorrect? 549146;1394088936;mircea_popescu;A: I'll just know I used it a lot. 549147;1394088936;mircea_popescu;Q: For what? 549148;1394088937;mircea_popescu;A: For moving transactions. 549149;1394088939;mircea_popescu;Q: Meaning for Bitcoin Savings & Trust Investment transactions? 549150;1394088941;mircea_popescu;A: Yes. And he had a separate account that was a hidden account. 549151;1394088943;mircea_popescu;Q: A hidden account? 549152;1394088945;mircea_popescu;A: Yes. 549153;1394088947;mircea_popescu;Q: What do you mean by that? 549154;1394088951;mircea_popescu;A: Just an account used for basically his own lending account. They borrow coins real quickly to make cash transactions and stuff. 549155;1394088954;mircea_popescu;Q: From you? 549156;1394088956;mircea_popescu;A: Correct. 549157;1394088958;mircea_popescu;Q: What was his user name on that account? 549158;1394088960;mircea_popescu;A: I guess Gigavps, but it wasn't on Bitcoin Savings & Trust. 549159;1394088962;mircea_popescu;Q: Why doesn't it appear in this raw data? 549160;1394088964;mircea_popescu;A: Because it wasn't on there. It wasn't on this database or on this website. It was tracked through a - what was that - not Sales Force. I can't remember the name of the website. It was something we just worked out together. And it has a lot of his transactions. This account looks mostly like my stuff. 549161;1394088968;mircea_popescu;Q: Meaning -- 549162;1394088970;mircea_popescu;A: 2002 -- 549163;1394088972;mircea_popescu;Q: What do you mean by "my stuff"? 549164;1394088974;mircea_popescu;A: And then $500 deposit from Imsaguy? 549165;1394088976;mircea_popescu;Q: What do you mean "my stuff"? 549166;1394088978;mircea_popescu;A: Core stuff. This isn't all -- 549167;1394088982;mircea_popescu;Q: You mean Bitcoin Savings & Trust investment activity? 549168;1394088984;mircea_popescu;A: This isn't all of the transactions there. 549169;1394088986;mircea_popescu;Q: Next account, Goat. 549170;1394089165;BingoBoingo;Oh, and copumpkin was the doxxed one 549171;1394089186;mircea_popescu;what, you didn't know his name ? 549172;1394089196;*;copumpkin knew his name 549173;1394089207;mircea_popescu;he fucking sends email with his name on it, what's not to know. 549174;1394089212;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I knew it, but not in a court filing. 549175;1394089212;copumpkin;get with the times 549176;1394089230;copumpkin;lol, you google my nick my name is the first result 549177;1394089232;mircea_popescu;i guess. 549178;1394089235;copumpkin;I'm not exactly secretive 549179;1394089239;BingoBoingo;I mean Pirateat40 know copumkin's full name, but only James for GigaVPS 549180;1394089249;mircea_popescu;yes, but then pirate was an idiot. 549181;1394089250;copumpkin;he's also muddying things by lying 549182;1394089259;copumpkin;all over the placE :) 549183;1394089263;mircea_popescu;copumpkin no ?! 549184;1394089268;copumpkin;believe it or not! 549185;1394089273;mircea_popescu;i thought fraudsters never lie in court. 549186;1394089278;mircea_popescu;all this comes as news to me. 549187;1394089279;copumpkin;there was no way for pirate to think that goat's name is chaang noi :P 549188;1394089288;BingoBoingo;lol 549189;1394089288;mircea_popescu;right. 549190;1394089289;copumpkin;that's just retarded 549191;1394089307;copumpkin;I was amazed at how much crap he spewed in there 549192;1394089308;BingoBoingo;Pudgy white kid named Chaang Noi 549193;1394089320;mircea_popescu;actually... he only came up with chaang noi after his 6 months of laying low for the bst to blow over. 549194;1394089320;copumpkin;I think he got himself into more trouble there than he would be in if he'd just admitted it 549195;1394089342;mircea_popescu;well actually... i think in his case the meth defense cuts in 549196;1394089370;mircea_popescu;(ie, there's an absolute lowest limit a judge'll allow for self-critting idiocy, otherwise anyone from the inner cities would be doing >9k years) 549197;1394089386;BingoBoingo;Well this is just a civil case 549198;1394089405;mircea_popescu;this is really the reason prosecutions are so successful in the us. it's not really some sort of nefarious police stat 549199;1394089416;mircea_popescu;e/nasizm thing as some suggest. it's simply that most defendants are too stupid to live 549200;1394089417;copumpkin;and the guy is getting the SEC to drive him there in a car cause he doesn't have a car anymore 549201;1394089419;copumpkin;kind of sad 549202;1394089431;mircea_popescu;and if they were taken seriously they'd be just... you know, off to soylent plant 549203;1394089440;mircea_popescu;wait, no lambo ? 549204;1394089444;mircea_popescu;sec should buy a lambo. 549205;1394089448;copumpkin;apparently not! 549206;1394089465;copumpkin;they should ask the FBI for some of those SR coins and buy that mclaren that went up recently 549207;1394089473;copumpkin;fuck lambos 549208;1394089481;mircea_popescu;mclaren HONDA ? 549209;1394089489;BingoBoingo;Oh, the reasons I found a drive through miracle maker for my disorderly conduct misdemeanor, allegedly 549210;1394089515;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499965.0 549211;1394089517;copumpkin;you should get it 549212;1394089526;mircea_popescu;i don't drive 549213;1394089531;copumpkin;high five 549214;1394089537;copumpkin;I get driven 549215;1394089552;mircea_popescu;i also don't care for sportsters. 549216;1394089570;*;copumpkin crosses arms smugly 549217;1394089576;copumpkin;mircea_popescu is too cool to drive, walks around with an open shirt on the street 549218;1394089586;mircea_popescu;definitely. 549219;1394089593;mircea_popescu;(and my zipper's not done in that shot, either) 549220;1394089610;BingoBoingo;Eh, I'll keep driving the shitty family sedan. No one suspects... 549221;1394089624;copumpkin;oh I wasn't checking 549222;1394089646;B007;how do you have money and not drive? 549223;1394089660;B007;or at least own cars 549224;1394089687;BingoBoingo;B007: Well Mircea has slaves, and copumpkin something? 549225;1394089705;copumpkin;I don't have a license 549226;1394089710;copumpkin;I get by without :) 549227;1394089773;mircea_popescu;https://www.google.com/search?q=Mercedes-Benz+E+230+(W210)&complete=0 << that, for instance, is imo one of the best cars ever made. 549228;1394089801;mircea_popescu;B007 i have cars, sometimes. i had dozens at some point. i jus' don't drive. 549229;1394089829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59098897 = 2.364 BTC [+] {3} 549230;1394089890;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59098898 BTC [+] 549231;1394089905;mircea_popescu;"Pirate: And when I find that information, I will give you the updated information and show you that this was not a Ponzi scam. Just give me time. I promise you." 549232;1394089908;mircea_popescu;that's some epic shit right there. 549233;1394089938;BingoBoingo;lol 549234;1394089941;copumpkin;I liked the bit where they said "so wait, your company folded and you're in trouble now because someone screwed you out of 202k coins, and you forget who that someone is?" 549235;1394089948;BingoBoingo;Document one was the lulzier doc 549236;1394089968;mircea_popescu;i pity that moustakis guy. 549237;1394089974;copumpkin;that was a long-ass interview 549238;1394089979;copumpkin;must've been exhausting for both of them 549239;1394089982;mircea_popescu;it's like you sign up to be a chiropractor, and you end up sent to practice in the loony bin 549240;1394090000;copumpkin;moustakis had to stay focused to catch all the crap the guy was saying, and I'm sure pirate was in overdrive trying to crank out more crap 549241;1394090010;BingoBoingo;Eh, looney bin ain't bad 549242;1394090012;mircea_popescu;copumpkin no, not for both of them. romanian expression is "nu te pune cu prostu' c-are mintea odihnita" 549243;1394090022;mircea_popescu;which says, don't mess with the stupid, his brain's well rested. 549244;1394090023;BingoBoingo;Get crayons 549245;1394090044;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: I dunno, there were several pretty awkward moments when it was clear he'd been caught in a lie 549246;1394090058;mircea_popescu;so i take it you read this whole thing ? carefully ? 549247;1394090061;copumpkin;I'm sure he was freaking out and trying to come up with more convincing crap 549248;1394090068;copumpkin;well, I read the whole thing, not sure carefully fits 549249;1394090080;mircea_popescu;how about you make a full length treatment of the whole thing, with notes ? 549250;1394090082;mircea_popescu;i'd read it. 549251;1394090088;copumpkin;lol 549252;1394090088;mircea_popescu;are you under counsel to stfu or anything ? 549253;1394090091;copumpkin;I'd rather sleep 549254;1394090094;copumpkin;no, not at all 549255;1394090096;mircea_popescu;fuck sleep. 549256;1394090101;mircea_popescu;srsly, it's the best thing you can do right now. 549257;1394090106;mircea_popescu;for "the community", or w/e you call it. 549258;1394090109;copumpkin;lol 549259;1394090111;copumpkin;fuck that 549260;1394090114;copumpkin;sleep :) 549261;1394090116;mircea_popescu;irsrs tho. 549262;1394090125;joecool;store your passwords with him 549263;1394090127;copumpkin;I'm sure you can find someone with less valuable time to summarize the shit 549264;1394090130;BingoBoingo;copumpkin: The veggies need their prison tomorrow. When you wake... 549265;1394090135;copumpkin;joecool: you've made that joke before, it's getting old 549266;1394090149;mircea_popescu;copumpkin you're in a very good position because you have the skill and the experience. 549267;1394090163;mircea_popescu;what, you think i just sprout this shit randomly cause i'm bored on irc 549268;1394090169;BingoBoingo;copumpkin: My time is probably the least valuable, but your insight is probably the most. 549269;1394090195;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 700 @ 0.00385004 = 2.695 BTC [-] {7} 549270;1394090196;copumpkin;I'm sure if this goes anywhere serious they'll call on me to testify 549271;1394090197;joecool;copumpkin: :( cranky 549272;1394090200;copumpkin;not that I'll really want to 549273;1394090202;copumpkin;:P 549274;1394090210;copumpkin;given how much the fucker talks about me 549275;1394090210;mircea_popescu;if that does happen, this write-up will be a great thing to have. 549276;1394090214;copumpkin;it seems almost inevitable 549277;1394090221;BingoBoingo;copumpkin: DO a writeup in the next couple weeks, GPG sign it 549278;1394090230;copumpkin;I don't see what the benefit would be 549279;1394090238;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo for this purpose publishing beats signing. 549280;1394090280;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Given the nothingness published pre-August2012 publishing means little. "Shall be delivered" 549281;1394090291;mircea_popescu;copumpkin the usual benefit. a furthering of human knowledge on a topic. 549282;1394090312;BingoBoingo;Volume of text versus affirmed text 549283;1394090335;mircea_popescu;seeing how rthis topic is bitcoin, it kind-of trumps any other topic, even if some other topic may offer the illusion of importance. 549284;1394090353;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: I'm not opposed to it, but am not in a huge rush to spend my time on it either :) and would rather it be done in a formal setting so someone else can take care of summarizing/transcribing it :P 549285;1394090355;BingoBoingo;Of course. 549286;1394090361;copumpkin;lol 549287;1394090372;copumpkin;it doesn't trump that I have to get up for work in a few hours and need my beauty sleep 549288;1394090377;mircea_popescu;if you note, i said "full length treatment, with notes" 549289;1394090382;mircea_popescu;that does not map on "summarize" 549290;1394090387;copumpkin;pfft 549291;1394090398;BingoBoingo;I honestly am beneath this project 549292;1394090407;mircea_popescu;anyway. sleep well. 549293;1394090422;copumpkin;but anyway, as I said, I'm not opposed to doing that at some point :) thanks 549294;1394090467;BingoBoingo;I got the /. twice, but I am beneath the background necessary to treat this right 549295;1394090516;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i just went through the list of names there, which remarkably i had pretty accurate to begin with. crossing out the outright liars, like psychological compulsive sort, and the idiots, you're left with maybe 2-3 names 549296;1394090527;mircea_popescu;and i don't think reeses_ is even paying attention anymore. 549297;1394090585;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: My list is comprable, but I the weight the "testimony" offer weighs so little on names I've assumed more guilty. 549298;1394090619;BingoBoingo;http://www.metrolyrics.com/the-man-comes-around-lyrics-johnny-cash.html?ModPagespeed=noscript 549299;1394090619;ozbot;Johnny Cash - The Man Comes Around Lyrics | MetroLyrics 549300;1394090702;BingoBoingo;You still wake up sometimes, don't you? You wake up in the dark and hear the screaming of the lambs. And you think if you save poor Catherine, you could make them stop, don't you? You think if Catherine lives, you won't wake up in the dark ever again to that awful screaming of the lambs. 549301;1394090719;BingoBoingo;All those delicious lambs. 549302;1394090724;mircea_popescu;anyway this shit is pretty epic, it wasn't that zeek rewards went under, it's just that he can't remember who had 200k btc 549303;1394090744;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 392 @ 0.00385 = 1.5092 BTC [-] {2} 549304;1394090752;BingoBoingo;Did anyone have 200k BTC? 549305;1394090772;moiety;lol new reply to abro thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=502567.msg5541511#msg5541511 549306;1394090805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 614 @ 0.00385 = 2.3639 BTC [-] {2} 549307;1394090829;BingoBoingo;First principles, Simplicity. Read Aristotle. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek? 549308;1394090866;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00385 = 0.2888 BTC [-] 549309;1394090897;BingoBoingo;Oh, NeoButt is crashing 549310;1394091013;mircea_popescu;GNULinuxGuy did you end up buying in ? 549311;1394091025;mircea_popescu;lol moiety 549312;1394091027;BingoBoingo;This spring it takes what? 2 BTC to kill Harnett's bankerness? AAA-???BBQ 549313;1394091110;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07634752 = 0.4581 BTC [-] {2} 549314;1394091130;mircea_popescu;well no cause there isn't one. 549315;1394091133;mircea_popescu;it's free! 549316;1394091275;mircea_popescu;so basically all the aurora crap ACTUALLY WAS strictly intended to win the bitbet bet. 549317;1394091281;mircea_popescu;qed, fuckers. 549318;1394091403;BingoBoingo;BitBet needs better submissions 549319;1394091440;mircea_popescu;defo. 549320;1394091451;mircea_popescu;someone was doing futures i saw 549321;1394091456;BingoBoingo;Lol 549322;1394091476;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59079997 BTC [-] 549323;1394091499;mircea_popescu;wha ? 549324;1394091521;BingoBoingo;Mystery futures market maker 549325;1394091545;BingoBoingo;Making serious markets 549326;1394091564;BingoBoingo;While maintaining serious mystery 549327;1394091590;mircea_popescu;sounds like a coin 549328;1394091599;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.07634753 = 2.2904 BTC [+] 549329;1394091600;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.59079997 = 5.3172 BTC [-] {3} 549330;1394091628;BingoBoingo;I know a bunch of -assets people's Bitbet payout addresses and this bettor isn't obviously one. 549331;1394091637;BingoBoingo;Especially since BTC taint is not a thing. 549332;1394091651;BingoBoingo;Bitbet marketing must be good. 549333;1394091659;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.5974257 = 4.182 BTC [+] {4} 549334;1394091679;mircea_popescu;well ok, but "i know" means i know some not i know all in this context neh ? 549335;1394091690;mircea_popescu;"like, i know my wife's husband and he happens to be me" 549336;1394091697;mircea_popescu;sure, if you say so. last night she said differently. 549337;1394091720;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.076 = 1.52 BTC [-] 549338;1394091781;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00389995 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2} 549339;1394091783;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5959998 BTC [-] 549340;1394091842;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60949995 = 1.8285 BTC [+] {2} 549341;1394091864;BingoBoingo;Well in this case I know a wife was active. My wife was missing. I however do not know that any wife of mine was involved with any of these activities. 549342;1394091868;jcpham;half truths mircea_popescu 549343;1394091873;jcpham;it's atangled web 549344;1394091878;mircea_popescu;surely. 549345;1394091889;BingoBoingo;Lovely things about BTC 549346;1394091892;mircea_popescu;"Law Office of Clifford Lloyd" 549347;1394091894;mircea_popescu;ouch 549348;1394091894;BingoBoingo;.bait 549349;1394091895;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/ff686c03ae04aed06b98d851163facd0/tumblr_mtm0wsfZgm1ro13l2o1_1280.jpg 549350;1394091907;mircea_popescu;if someone ends up disbared over pirate's dumb ass that'll be the lol of all time. 549351;1394091963;BingoBoingo;Pirate seems to have months of lols left 549352;1394091971;BingoBoingo;And in a civil suit. 549353;1394092110;BingoBoingo;Only in Bitcoin-exile is such a thing possible 549354;1394092229;BingoBoingo;Oh, so many problems here as well http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2014/03/salmonella_and_raw_eggs_how_i_ve_eaten_tons_of_cookie_dough_and_never_gotten.html Bedtime though 549355;1394092249;B007;and this is how you pump & dump http://s29.postimg.org/z0dwcl4rb/bitcoin.png 549356;1394092542;B007;I made 78 in a day 549357;1394092545;B007;im so proud 549358;1394093062;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24389 @ 0.00082727 = 20.1763 BTC [+] 549359;1394093397;mircea_popescu;uh 549360;1394093409;B007;huh 549361;1394093654;mircea_popescu;http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/pirateat40-destroyed.png that's pretty good stuff lol 549362;1394093758;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i dunno where you get the "civil proceedings" notions from. 549363;1394093784;mircea_popescu;guy just gave himself a criminal contempt count. 549364;1394093796;B007;is that guy fuked ? I think so 549365;1394093917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43124 @ 0.00083231 = 35.8925 BTC [+] {5} 549366;1394093967;mircea_popescu;that is oral culture at its finest. this guy is not part of contemporaneity, or even modernity. he finds himself in a roughly feudal time. back before literacy. 549367;1394093982;mircea_popescu;further proof that teaching kids to read and write is not either sufficient or particularly related to literacy. 549368;1394094057;B007;ofc you can't make people read if they dont want to 549369;1394094082;mircea_popescu;you can make people do absolutely anything they should be doing, provided you're comitted to beating them to death if they do not, and start before they're 5. 549370;1394094132;B007;but will they continue after the person that would beat them is gone? 549371;1394094148;chetty;yeah, it becomes habit 549372;1394094160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.08203571 = 1.1485 BTC [-] {5} 549373;1394094167;mircea_popescu;http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Screen-Shot-2014-03-05-at-1.34.57-PM.png 549374;1394094173;mircea_popescu;meanwhile... http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/smickles-icbitse-affidavit.txt 549375;1394094206;mircea_popescu;hey D : someone over there ain't doing their job of reading properly. 549376;1394094221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.04282717 = 0.9422 BTC [+] {5} 549377;1394094222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.0008336 = 10.295 BTC [+] 549378;1394094356;mircea_popescu;B007 yes, it will continue. not even strictly of habit, as chetty says. take washing : once you get used to your smell when you're clean, you're not likely to stop washing. 549379;1394094370;mircea_popescu;but if you're used to your smell being filthy, you'll just keep on doing that because... whatever. 549380;1394094378;mircea_popescu;"whoever loves you loves you as you are" and all that. 549381;1394094404;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04339999 = 0.1736 BTC [+] {2} 549382;1394094408;mircea_popescu;so it's habit, but it's also that once you know things, stupidity appears quite different from how it appears back when you don't know things. 549383;1394094415;mircea_popescu;you gain what's called metacognitive ability. 549384;1394094455;mircea_popescu;and so you understand both why you had to be beaten, and why you'll be beating the shit off your kids, too. so they don't end up like the retarded us scum. 549385;1394094558;jurov;well, once you keep yourself clean other people can start to smell horribly (applies to stupidity as well) 549386;1394094628;mircea_popescu;indeed. 549387;1394094662;mircea_popescu;which is why society naturally segregates. it's not that the upper class hates the lower class. it's just that the lower class... stinks. 549388;1394094684;chetty;I wonder if much of the animosity between tea party and occupy could be simply smell? 549389;1394094708;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for a total lulz : check out sec's own version of pgp, the pse : http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/containers/fix064/891166/0000898432-05-000712.txt 549390;1394094709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00083524 = 4.5938 BTC [+] {2} 549391;1394094720;mircea_popescu;chetty most of it. politics is a sexual matter. 549392;1394094771;midnightmagic;children do better, perform better, respond better, and grow better when they aren't beaten. 549393;1394094781;mircea_popescu;you mean irl or in dreamland ? 549394;1394094802;midnightmagic;irl. There is virtually no evidence at all that beating children helps. 549395;1394094819;midnightmagic;There is virtually all the evidence that says that *not* beating them but maintaining discipline helps. 549396;1394094820;chetty;depends on the child, some actually need it 549397;1394094824;mircea_popescu;no, actually, there is an endless record of evidence that it does. what there's no evidence for is that not beating them is sustainable. 549398;1394094829;mircea_popescu;quite the contrary evidence abounds. 549399;1394094831;midnightmagic;No, there isn't. 549400;1394094833;mircea_popescu;right. 549401;1394094837;midnightmagic;Right. 549402;1394094847;mircea_popescu;we can move on to discussing how temperatures form a golf club pattern next 549403;1394094873;mircea_popescu;but as an exercise : consider whether you're randomly lumping together beating children with simple abuse, as a sort of strawman argument. 549404;1394094891;mircea_popescu;some random drunk randomly hitting some kid is absolutely not within the scope of this discussion. 549405;1394094907;mircea_popescu;children have to be beaten systematically, in which case most don't actually even need pyshical contact. 549406;1394094972;midnightmagic;I understand what you mean. Virtually all infant and child development research disagrees with you. 549407;1394095001;mircea_popescu;virtually all data fugded by post 1950 us pseudoscience on the topic says random stupid shit. 549408;1394095016;mircea_popescu;it's about as good as us epidemiological data, that crap. 549409;1394095075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00385001 = 0.231 BTC [-] {2} 549410;1394095107;mircea_popescu;well, either that or magically all kids suddenly need ritalin. 549411;1394095132;midnightmagic;No, ritalin is over-prescribed. That's evil on its own. 549412;1394095152;mircea_popescu;but it is over prescrived on the basis of " virtually all infant and child development research" 549413;1394095159;mircea_popescu;the same pseudoscientific process created both notions. 549414;1394095180;midnightmagic;I'm just saying, as much as it's possible to know such things, physical pain or even physical discomfort versus non-physical discipline tactics: the physical discipline is not as effective. 549415;1394095190;mircea_popescu;indeed. but do you know why ? 549416;1394095200;mircea_popescu;because the group that responds to the former well is SELF SELECTED. 549417;1394095203;midnightmagic;No it's not. Research is not the basis of ritalin over-prescription. In fact the research states that it is over-prescribed. 549418;1394095207;midnightmagic;:) 549419;1394095207;mircea_popescu;ie, theyre the smarter kids anwyay. 549420;1394095224;mircea_popescu;problem is the entire system collapses once kids know nobody can ever get beaten. 549421;1394095235;mircea_popescu;much like the us nuclear weapons, which the us refuses to declare will never be used. 549422;1394095266;chetty;fear is a wonderful motivation 549423;1394095293;midnightmagic;fear is not the most effective motivation. fear is not a direct motivator, it is a motivator to game the cease of fear. 549424;1394095294;mircea_popescu;basically you're externalising a cost. when "kids get beaten" subset A1 gets actually beaten and subset A2 learns from their experience. 549425;1394095303;mircea_popescu;you then run studies showing that A2 responds better than A1 549426;1394095315;mircea_popescu;once "kids don't get beaten" everyone's ~A2. 549427;1394095332;midnightmagic;That is fundamental study design. They don't make those kinds of selection bias mistakes in the research on which consensus is formed. 549428;1394095345;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic only in uncontrolled environments. in controlled environments, fear is a motivator exactly for education. 549429;1394095350;midnightmagic;Else someone else trying to make a name for themselves comes along and destroys it. 549430;1394095352;mircea_popescu;it's how the child brain works, for this purpose. 549431;1394095381;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic nobody is going t omake a name for themselves in the current us showing that not beating kids is a wrong thing. 549432;1394095386;midnightmagic;Yeeaaahh.. no. Sure it's a motivator. I'm just saying it's not the most effective. 549433;1394095404;mircea_popescu;it's not the most effective huh ? 549434;1394095411;mircea_popescu;it's the one to which kids can pose no resistence. 549435;1394095415;midnightmagic;I would say about half or more of the US actually agrees with you that beating children is the best way. 549436;1394095417;mircea_popescu;it's ultimate, not effectual. 549437;1394095425;mircea_popescu;it presents guarantees of success. 549438;1394095442;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic yes, but not the 14% aspirational crowd that "makes" names 549439;1394095505;midnightmagic;Anyway, just pointing it out. If you have access to a research institute with fulltext, you should check it out. It's really fascinating and, for me at least, counter-intuitive. 549440;1394095522;mircea_popescu;yeah, i think the most we can arrive to is stating the respective positions. 549441;1394095532;midnightmagic;Here, yeah for sure. 549442;1394095533;chetty;no 'academic' would admit things like that, anymore than admit global warming is off. the wouldn't get their grants. 549443;1394095559;mircea_popescu;chetty presumably the free market still exists in the us, both financially and with regard to ideas, so such an academic would "make a name for himself" 549444;1394095560;mircea_popescu;somehow. 549445;1394095563;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00389989 = 0.39 BTC [+] {2} 549446;1394095576;*;midnightmagic waves. 549447;1394095597;reeses_;I ignore nothing. I just don't pay attention. 549448;1394095604;chetty;ha, hasn't been a free market in ideas for a very long time 549449;1394095622;reeses_;I love that he claims a ccie and ccna and doesn't know what ccie stands for 549450;1394095629;reeses_;and that he got the ccie in high school 549451;1394095660;mircea_popescu;hence "<mircea_popescu> and i don't think reeses_ is even paying attention anymore." 549452;1394095685;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0845958 = 0.2538 BTC [+] 549453;1394095686;reeses_;switch what I said, then, I was ignoring it 549454;1394095695;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic but on the topic of making a name for oneself, know who tried that ? a certain dr. gleason. he tried to make a name for himself as not being a contemptible piece of shit. he was convicted, eventually, and then killed himself. 549455;1394095706;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/12/and_now_the_pharma_pendulum_sw.html < tlp has the story. 549456;1394095706;ozbot;The Last Psychiatrist: Expendable; Or, And Now The Pharma Pendulum Swings Back The Other Way 549457;1394095730;mircea_popescu;reeses_ well then read the discussion with mr pineaple above too. 549458;1394095762;midnightmagic;huh. Never heard of him. 549459;1394095766;mircea_popescu;ikr? 549460;1394095768;mircea_popescu;kinda my point. 549461;1394095782;mircea_popescu;kinda why i'm stuck with an ever increasing intel dept 549462;1394095789;mircea_popescu;because nobody hears of anything anymore somehow. 549463;1394095790;*;midnightmagic has trouble getting "to the moon, alice" out of his head 549464;1394095823;reeses_;yeah, working my way through the docs right now as well 549465;1394095868;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0055 = 0.1925 BTC {2} 549466;1394095936;reeses_;oh man this is so wrong 549467;1394095999;mircea_popescu;no ?! 549468;1394096013;reeses_;I love it 549469;1394096042;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/embed/SjbPi00k_ME 549470;1394096043;ozbot;Casablanca gambling? I'm shocked - YouTube 549471;1394096179;mircea_popescu;reeses_ he somehow omitted his cisco number 549472;1394096187;mircea_popescu;or did they stop giving out those ? 549473;1394096190;reeses_;yeah, I went to look it up 549474;1394096191;reeses_;:-) 549475;1394096201;reeses_;no, they're still numbered 549476;1394096218;mircea_popescu;http://www.bradreese.com/worldwide-ccie-count.htm 549477;1394096222;mircea_popescu;yeah its still there 549478;1394096223;reeses_;but it's not as prestigious now, although it would still have been when he was in school 549479;1394096299;mircea_popescu;in 2000ish ? yea, it think it'd have been all over slashdot. "highschooler gets ccie!!1" 549480;1394096302;mircea_popescu;o wait. no slashdot yet. 549481;1394096478;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 49 @ 0.003855 = 0.1889 BTC [-] {2} 549482;1394096539;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00385 = 0.258 BTC [-] {2} 549483;1394096581;reeses_;yeah, /. was around then, no? 549484;1394096662;mircea_popescu;wasnt it 2003 ish ? 549485;1394096685;mircea_popescu;no nm, turns out its late 90s. 549486;1394096715;mircea_popescu;"news at eight : everything is older than you think." 549487;1394096722;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC 549488;1394097069;mircea_popescu;http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Screen-Shot-2014-03-05-at-2.00.38-PM.png 549489;1394097073;mircea_popescu;this shit's pretty good. 549490;1394097134;reeses_;my homework is here somewhere, I think copumpkin has it 549491;1394097173;mircea_popescu;lol 549492;1394097187;mircea_popescu;Duffer1: big one and number two.. anyone taking bets one of those was goat? << yes. how much you wanna bet ? 549493;1394097210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58000003 BTC [-] 549494;1394097268;mircea_popescu;dexX7 i wonder wtf is happening there re missing txns 549495;1394097271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 39 @ 0.0055 = 0.2145 BTC 549496;1394097278;mircea_popescu;this does not look toogood. 549497;1394097315;kakobrekla;they had an orphan in the list instead of the real block 549498;1394097320;kakobrekla;cause they were doing upgrades 549499;1394097326;kakobrekla;and were down for a bit 549500;1394097331;kakobrekla;and that happend. 549501;1394097332;dexX7;true, people were complaining about strange behavior for a few days now 549502;1394097344;dexX7;oh really? but the blockhash etc. was correct? 549503;1394097360;mircea_popescu;ah 549504;1394097369;mircea_popescu;ok than 549505;1394097369;dexX7;well, good then that it's known 549506;1394097374;kakobrekla;well i dunno, thats the word i got and i dont think its made up 549507;1394097387;kakobrekla;except if this is a different thing. 549508;1394097405;mircea_popescu;dexX7 wait, what blockhash ? 549509;1394097426;mircea_popescu;you mean the hash of the block as reported then matches the hash as reported now ?! 549510;1394097448;dexX7;there is this overview for example: https://blockchain.info/block-index/472689/000000000000000020cc76f78a24a6bc1c6d55e5514ee9b900ba08b3f97bc4a6 549511;1394097462;kakobrekla;anyway, whatever it is its blockchain.info related, not bitcoin 549512;1394097474;dexX7;and everything was correct except the number of transactions + the missing ones were indeed not listed 549513;1394097517;mircea_popescu;dexX7 the logic here is as follows : 549514;1394097532;mircea_popescu;the validity of a block is not established until later. which is what orphans and chain reorgs are. 549515;1394097558;mircea_popescu;if a service like blockchain.info goes down (ie, stops listening to the chain) it may end up with the impression a meanwhile discarded block is still valid 549516;1394097574;mircea_popescu;this would necessarily result in them listing a different set of txns from the actual set as found on the actual chain 549517;1394097576;dexX7;a discarded block would have another hash 549518;1394097580;mircea_popescu;which'd be caught up once it reorgs 549519;1394097588;mircea_popescu;but yes, said block would have to have its own hash 549520;1394097590;mircea_popescu;so did it not ? 549521;1394097597;mircea_popescu;cause if it did not then the orphan theory is blown. 549522;1394097630;dexX7;the hash and merkleroot was the same 549523;1394097645;mircea_popescu;well then i suppose you'd better blog about it, or post or somthing. 549524;1394097683;mircea_popescu;(i don't keep much of an eye on blockchain.info since there exists blockr) 549525;1394097740;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: thats what you get when retarded webdevs make exchanges, for the seventy fifth time << mpoe-pr sez https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4924847#msg4924847 but retards know better. as per usual. 549526;1394097842;mircea_popescu;re smickles : fwiw i knew he wasn't in vegas too. 549527;1394097942;dexX7;maybe blockchain receives the complete blocks from it's backend in some way and had a small blackout while post-processing and adding the txs to their db ... well, who knows. they seem to be aware though. 549528;1394097983;kakobrekla;afaik the txes listed there were from an orphan 549529;1394098031;mircea_popescu;dexX7 maybe, let cary explain it. 549530;1394098061;mircea_popescu;so far, the "orphan" theory has a prblm. 549531;1394098064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.0008336 = 3.3761 BTC [-] 549532;1394098095;kakobrekla;i havent checked anything but whats the problem 549533;1394098111;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla that if they had an orphan it would show its own hash and root, not the correct block's. 549534;1394098146;mircea_popescu;if you go "block 200344, here's the hash (from block 200344') and here's the txn, from block 200344" you got a problem 549535;1394098148;kakobrekla;not necessarily, you dont know what the bug was 549536;1394098168;dexX7;there is no orphaned block listed for 288788, but i only have blockchain.info as source 549537;1394098194;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla which is why i say let cary explain it, how the fuck would we know. 549538;1394098367;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo did it actually say "Michael Marquardt" or theymos or what ? 549539;1394098369;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2726 @ 0.0008336 = 2.2724 BTC [-] 549540;1394098371;mircea_popescu;fucking bs impossible to grep 549541;1394098663;chetty;just Theymos I think 549542;1394098814;kakobrekla;two block appeared with same blockheight on blockchain info 549543;1394098831;kakobrekla;they had a fail and had to manually fix it thats why its not in the standard orphaned blocks page 549544;1394098843;kakobrekla;nothing to the story, move along. 549545;1394098921;mircea_popescu;same blockheight, same hash, diff txn set ? 549546;1394098953;kakobrekla;YES 549547;1394098966;mircea_popescu;some fail. 549548;1394099105;dexX7;but there was only one block in the network and two on blockchain.info due to the fail, right? 549549;1394099393;kakobrekla;afaik no 549550;1394099398;kakobrekla;2 blocks on the network 549551;1394099423;kakobrekla;one is gone from bc records 549552;1394099464;mircea_popescu;so was this an evil block in some sense ? 549553;1394099507;kakobrekla;in the sense any other orphan would be an evil block to bc.info at the time 549554;1394099515;kakobrekla;as well 549555;1394099692;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves: "realizing net proceeds of $164,758 from his net sales of 86,202 bitcoins" << epic. 549556;1394099719;mircea_popescu;some people buy in at a little over 2, some people sell out at a little under 2, life goes on. 549557;1394099742;Diablo-D3;so 549558;1394099753;Diablo-D3;has the ukraine nuked russia yet? 549559;1394099835;reeses_;mircea_popescu: it just means his average spread was $2, which was ok at the time :-) 549560;1394099842;mircea_popescu;:D 549561;1394099865;reeses_;what a sad amount, though :-) 549562;1394099881;mircea_popescu;i fucking wonder, you know, what the thought process of the mentally impaired is. 549563;1394099885;reeses_;I mean, sure, that's real money in shitholes like texas and romania 549564;1394099895;Diablo-D3;mircea_popescu: look in the mirror! dohohohohoho 549565;1394099902;mircea_popescu;like shavers, like taaki, like maxwell, like you know, the lengthy list of idiots that were "involved" early on 549566;1394099905;mircea_popescu;and then sorta... fell off. 549567;1394099916;reeses_;the mentally impaired generally lack the ability for introspection 549568;1394099917;Diablo-D3;oh man 549569;1394099918;reeses_;it's tough 549570;1394099919;Diablo-D3;I remember taaki 549571;1394099935;mircea_popescu;i guess this is true. what a blessing it is, then. 549572;1394099947;Diablo-D3;mircea_popescu: a lot of early people quit 549573;1394099954;mircea_popescu;otherwise it'd be all "o fuck me, 160k for 80k btc ? i did that ? srsly ? " 549574;1394099966;reeses_;ok I'm sure he is doing that now 549575;1394099974;mircea_popescu;i guess that's why the sec claiming the current price is a good thing 549576;1394099978;reeses_;yeah 549577;1394099981;mircea_popescu;basically the da exists to make the stupid introspect 549578;1394099986;reeses_;since they hold the coins, too 549579;1394099989;mircea_popescu;that's all it's there for. costs the rest of us a prett ypenny, too 549580;1394100506;mircea_popescu;benkay: 549581;1394100508;mircea_popescu;;;rated Vandroiy 549582;1394100509;gribble;You rated user Vandroiy on Sat Sep 1 23:00:35 2012, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Risked 5k of his own bitcoins to help a bunch of forum retards see the light.. 549583;1394100523;kakobrekla;isnt taaki still herp derping around, why are you talking like he is history, i mean he might be, but he doesnt know that 549584;1394100531;kakobrekla;nor act like it 549585;1394100532;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla cause no btc. 549586;1394100560;mircea_popescu;btc, tits. btc is the only thing that matters, the only thing that lasts. tara! 549587;1394100565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00567001 = 0.1134 BTC [+] 549588;1394100585;kakobrekla;i bet we will see him on 'major' tv stations this year 549589;1394100593;kakobrekla;probably the next too 549590;1394100612;mircea_popescu;sure. 549591;1394100616;kakobrekla;present history 549592;1394100626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4439 @ 0.00083256 = 3.6957 BTC [-] 549593;1394100634;mircea_popescu;actually correct quote : The BTC is the only thing in the world worth working for, worth fighting for, worth dying for, because it's the only thing that lasts". 549594;1394100658;kakobrekla;only until the end of the universe :\ 549595;1394100663;kakobrekla;so you might as well just fuck it 549596;1394100669;mircea_popescu;lol 549597;1394100861;chetty;http://imgur.com/gallery/iRSmRCg 549598;1394100861;ozbot;As a European this is how I imagine Americans have breakfast - Imgur 549599;1394100866;kakobrekla;http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=503105.msg5543619#msg5543619 549600;1394100868;ozbot;Is Bitstamp going the same way as Gox? 549601;1394100872;kakobrekla;oh my, a marketing director!! 549602;1394100880;*;kakobrekla takes his hat off 549603;1394101324;mircea_popescu;anyway, the one - pretty much the only one - barb for the sec in the pirate story is that indeed the facts seem to support pirate's allegation that he actually paid out the newest investors first. 549604;1394101350;mircea_popescu;moustakis tried to finesse it out of the testimony, and absent any sort of competent defese it will probably wash away just fine 549605;1394101362;mircea_popescu;but it is quite atypical for a ponzi 549606;1394101481;mircea_popescu;anyway, funny how goat got double paid, suckled something from pirate, suckled something from suckers buying debt... 549607;1394101487;mircea_popescu;;;rated chaang-noi 549608;1394101487;gribble;You have not yet rated user chaang-noi 549609;1394101505;mircea_popescu;;;seen chaang-noi 549610;1394101505;gribble;chaang-noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 3 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <Chaang-Noi> might have to sue em 549611;1394101627;BigBitz;kakobrekla? 549612;1394101725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14464 @ 0.00083687 = 12.1045 BTC [+] {3} 549613;1394101880;kakobrekla;a? 549614;1394102010;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that https://static.pinboard.in/webstock_2014.htm is at least fucking ideologically bizarre. they represent electrification as this obscure political strategy move, when it's quite obvious the thing proceeded on economic rationale. 549615;1394102029;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.0039 = 0.2496 BTC [+] 549616;1394102090;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 67 @ 0.07193167 = 4.8194 BTC [-] {6} 549617;1394102883;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00018798 = 0.5639 BTC [+] {6} 549618;1394102944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00401659 = 0.2008 BTC [+] {3} 549619;1394103970;wao-ender;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWhVMsJCUAAdoYx.png:large 549620;1394104020;kakobrekla;http://imgur.com/gallery/Vn74zOf 549621;1394105323;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/fa6e3114a4258b2d26660215e7341f2c/tumblr_mzo25sSdI31su84zzo1_1280.jpg 549622;1394105628;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.58233273 = 11.0643 BTC [+] {9} 549623;1394105689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.57127055 = 11.4254 BTC [-] {10} 549624;1394105872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.004041 = 0.2465 BTC [+] 549625;1394106116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00574899 = 0.4714 BTC [+] 549626;1394106204;mircea_popescu;http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/mother-assaulted-with-vibrator-576321 549627;1394106205;ozbot;Cops: Woman Beat Her Mom With Vibrator | The Smoking Gun 549628;1394106299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 148 @ 0.004041 = 0.5981 BTC [+] 549629;1394106312;dexX7;http://mag.newsweek.com/2014/03/14/bitcoin-satoshi-nakamoto.html 549630;1394106320;dexX7;^ satoshi found ;) 549631;1394106513;mircea_popescu;not nick szabo again is it ? 549632;1394106685;mircea_popescu;lmao newsweek beat the bushes till they found one guy named satoshi nakamoto that was within driving distance 549633;1394106692;mircea_popescu;herp derp dur dur durr. 549634;1394106936;mircea_popescu;anyway, the responsible tard being Leah McGrath Goodman 549635;1394107004;nubbins`;responsible enough to publish a photo of the guy's home, with number visible 549636;1394107007;nubbins`;poor man 549637;1394107079;mircea_popescu;at least gavin goes on the record saying that he doesn't need any money, 549638;1394107082;mircea_popescu;and a bunch of other retarded shit. 549639;1394107092;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.004041 = 0.1697 BTC [+] {2} 549640;1394107163;mircea_popescu;Andresen responded: "Yeah, I'm not happy with the 'wacky pirate money' tone, either." 549641;1394107163;mircea_popescu;Then he told Nakamoto he'd accepted an invitation to speak at the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters. "I hope that by talking directly to them and, more importantly, listening to their questions/concerns, they will think of Bitcoin the way I do - as a just-plain-better, more efficient, less-subject-to-political-whims money," he said. "Not as an all-powerful black-market tool that will be used by anarchists to ove 549642;1394107163;mircea_popescu;rthrow the System." 549643;1394107163;mircea_popescu;From that moment, Satoshi Nakamoto stopped responding to emails and dropped off the map. 549644;1394107174;mircea_popescu;as scummy as it gets. 549645;1394107197;nubbins`;thanks gavin! 549646;1394107274;nubbins`;okay, i just bought tickets to see neutral milk hotel in berlin 549647;1394107284;nubbins`;time to wake up pascale by smacking her in the face with them 549648;1394107333;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jtZx9LNpAY 549649;1394107334;ozbot;In the Aeroplane Over the Sea- Neutral Milk Hotel - YouTube 549650;1394107975;mircea_popescu;"If you come out as the leader of Bitcoin, now you have to make appearances and presentations and comments to the press and that didn't really fit with Satoshi's personality," 549651;1394107989;mircea_popescu;kinda shocking how stupid this character is, seriously. 549652;1394108015;mircea_popescu;you gotta ? really ? how about the press and all that learns to irc instead. not like bitcoin is here to _adapt_ to anything now is it. 549653;1394108044;kakobrekla;irc lol is that even still a thing? 549654;1394108047;mircea_popescu;"He was the kind of person who, if you made an honest mistake, he might call you an idiot and never speak to you again," Andresen says. 549655;1394108061;mircea_popescu;yet he somehow magically doesn't understand why satoshi ain't talkin' to him no more. 549656;1394108066;mircea_popescu;i wonder. what could it be ? 549657;1394108103;nubbins`;"hey bru, know that disruptive technology you've been working on? well, i just got invited to speak with the cia about it! amazing, huh?" 549658;1394108103;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 549659;1394108104;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla yeah, it's where the UK prime minister trawls for special assistants to help him get the best child pron 549660;1394108136;nubbins`;trawling decimated fish stocks here 549661;1394108146;mircea_popescu;anyway, enough loling at fucktarded english major chicks, back to rift crafting 549662;1394108152;mircea_popescu;the lyf and tymes. 549663;1394108232;nubbins`;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_northwest_cod_fishery 549664;1394108233;ozbot;Collapse of the Atlantic northwest cod fishery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 549665;1394108249;mircea_popescu;yeah. sad. 549666;1394108276;nubbins`;almost one in ten newfoundlanders made their living doing that 549667;1394108294;nubbins`;unemployed overnight :0 549668;1394108350;mircea_popescu;that's nothing. 549669;1394108364;mircea_popescu;about two in three white people are employed working for the government. 549670;1394108376;mircea_popescu;comes to about 600mn to be unemployed overnight one of these nights. 549671;1394108463;nubbins`;http://youtu.be/inDgw8AWmiw?t=2m 549672;1394108463;ozbot;The end of the Cod - John Crosbie in Bay Bulls Canada Day 1992. - YouTube 549673;1394108476;nubbins`;federal fisheries minister to angry mob: "i didn't take the fish out of the goddamn water" 549674;1394108590;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: we're only getting rid of white government? ;0 549675;1394108613;mircea_popescu;pretty much the only places with actual government are white majority population. 549676;1394108661;mircea_popescu;china i suppose is making some moves towards relevancy, but i know jack shit about china 549677;1394108768;chetty;http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2014/03/02/oesterreicher-planen-sammelklage-gegen-kredit-system-der-banken/ 549678;1394109056;nubbins`;planen... not holding breath ;( 549679;1394109105;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.04339875 = 0.3472 BTC [+] {2} 549680;1394109593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00086722 = 12.3145 BTC [+] 549681;1394110150;dexX7;https://twitter.com/gavinandresen/status/441547758827474946 549682;1394110150;ozbot;Twitter / gavinandresen: I'm disappointed Newsweek decided ... 549683;1394110154;dexX7;"I'm disappointed Newsweek decided to dox the Nakamoto family, and regret talking to Leah." 549684;1394110925;mircea_popescu;total derp this guy. 549685;1394111574;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: do you think the article was an invasion of privacy? 549686;1394112804;mircea_popescu;i think the article was an ebullution of idiocy. 549687;1394112880;nubbins`;i just bought thirty-seven pounds of pork shoulder 549688;1394112948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 272 @ 0.004041 = 1.0992 BTC [+] 549689;1394113375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00410488 = 0.119 BTC [+] {5} 549690;1394113741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00086722 = 3.5122 BTC [+] 549691;1394113924;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 900 @ 0.00017796 = 0.1602 BTC [-] {11} 549692;1394113975;MisterE;http://www.forbes.com/sites/chriswright/2014/02/11/when-chinas-food-runs-out/ 549693;1394113976;ozbot;When China's Food Runs Out - Forbes 549694;1394113985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00417158 = 0.1043 BTC [+] {5} 549695;1394113993;MisterE;finally someone gets it 549696;1394114010;MisterE;whats's a good non-Win bot? 549697;1394114028;MisterE;I run os x or Debian 549698;1394114068;mircea_popescu;irc bot you mean ? 549699;1394114088;asciilifeform;where is the proof that the old man had anything to do with btc? or even exists 549700;1394114100;MisterE;no trading bot 549701;1394114106;MisterE;for btc and alts 549702;1394114168;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04339 = 0.1736 BTC [-] 549703;1394114174;MisterE;know any of these? http://easybitinvesting.com/bitcoin-trading/trading-robots/ 549704;1394114182;asciilifeform;MisterE: i posted here about this a few days ago, look in logs if you're interested. 549705;1394114194;asciilifeform;MisterE: (re: china) 549706;1394114203;MisterE;oh? 549707;1394114256;asciilifeform;MisterE: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2014#544394 549708;1394114265;MisterE;nice, ty 549709;1394114351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.02352624 = 0.5646 BTC [+] {6} 549710;1394114381;asciilifeform;MisterE: beginning of that conversation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2014#544315 549711;1394114384;MisterE;why mircea_popescu say Ukraine is not productive and that article says its where .ch wants to buy its land becouse produces a lot of wheat? 549712;1394114412;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.00418887 = 0.1131 BTC [+] {2} 549713;1394114435;asciilifeform;MisterE: the chinese have certain methods of farming 'disposable' (i.e. belonging to untermenschen) lands 549714;1394114471;asciilifeform;MisterE: they have demonstrated this in the russian far east, where they occupied various places, some legally (rented), some otherwise 549715;1394114564;MisterE;farming has got to go hydro and less land intensive 549716;1394114639;asciilifeform;in other news, 549717;1394114657;asciilifeform;ua rebels now have... their own crematorium. (http://www.svpressa.ru/society/article/83339) 549718;1394114994;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=503831.new#new basically. the same idea. 549719;1394115022;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0845865 = 0.1692 BTC [+] {2} 549720;1394115057;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: somebody should teach these folks the virtues of seppuku. 549721;1394115081;mircea_popescu;but why ? if the cattle harakiri'd randomly wed have all these stale carcasses all over. 549722;1394115107;asciilifeform;ah, they just need to do it in a certified abbatoir. 549723;1394115220;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "if there's a fire, don't do anything, call the fire people" 549724;1394115229;mircea_popescu;"if there's a robbery don't do anything, call the robbery people" 549725;1394115241;mircea_popescu;"if you feel like your time is up... don't... do anything... call the... " 549726;1394115241;mircea_popescu;etcv 549727;1394115313;asciilifeform;'1-800-SEP-UKKU' ... 549728;1394115339;mircea_popescu;facebukku 549729;1394115358;asciilifeform;http://i2.cpcache.com/product/99626877/quietus_mug.jpg?height=350&width=350 549730;1394115377;dexX7;"fiat style attack" ..? 549731;1394115426;mircea_popescu;lol i don't get it. 549732;1394115447;chetty;http://atn.ua/politika/glavnyy-ravvin-ukrainy-rossiya-predstavlyaet-opasnost-dlya-evreev-ukrainy 549733;1394115485;mircea_popescu;dexX7 yes. identity established not through the mechanism it is predicated upon, but through "the agreement" of "the people", specifically those who are too stupid to even understand what's being discussed. 549734;1394115487;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that cup is referring to a cheap sf flick, 'children of men', where there's an apocalyptic degringolade, and pill in question is a bestseller. 549735;1394115503;mircea_popescu;roughly equivalent to some kid trying to resolve his upset at bitbet by "getting votes" 549736;1394115515;mircea_popescu;oh. musta been before my time. 549737;1394115523;asciilifeform;'04 549738;1394115525;asciilifeform;i think 549739;1394115530;dexX7;ah and in contrast one would simply sign some genesis coins and that's it 549740;1394115558;asciilifeform;chetty: related: http://cryptome.org/2014/03/ukraine-national-socialism.htm (with helpful translations) 549741;1394115623;mircea_popescu;dexX7 right ? 549742;1394115645;dexX7;yes 549743;1394115664;asciilifeform;well, they're pushing a picture of a 'go away, i won't admit the deed' satoshi 549744;1394115690;mircea_popescu;or whatever, send 1 bitcent from the genesis block to 1newsweak98759843 549745;1394115693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0845936 = 0.2538 BTC [+] {3} 549746;1394115694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0055 = 0.165 BTC 549747;1394115712;mircea_popescu;about fifty different ways to go about it, all taking five minutes. 549748;1394115904;mircea_popescu;anyway, if fake satoshi comes up with some derpage about how we should all love each other, feed africa and stop oppressing faggots it'll be just perfect. 549749;1394115927;asciilifeform;the real fun starts when we get a 2nd, 3rd... лжеsatoshi. 549750;1394115937;mircea_popescu;or whatever, fighting economic unequality and promoting the virtues of an unspecified, bug ridden codebase and the halfwits that nursed it to this day 549751;1394115951;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually there's already a dude claiming he's it 549752;1394115957;mircea_popescu;(also legally named satoshi nakamoto) 549753;1394115976;asciilifeform;but he wasn't anointed by nooseweak, was he 549754;1394115991;mircea_popescu;i guess that one had the disadvantage that the entire nonsense needed plane tickets, and newsweek wouldn't spring 549755;1394115998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00424999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {2} 549756;1394116000;mircea_popescu;so the girl had to hitchhike to sonora or w/e 549757;1394116003;mircea_popescu;closer to home. 549758;1394116070;mircea_popescu;wherever a guy who "was deeply influenced by silicon valley" and also "uses prefix notation" could be found. 549759;1394116094;asciilifeform;'uses prefix notation' ?!1! 549760;1394116095;pigeons;and two spaces after periods 549761;1394116099;mircea_popescu;right. 549762;1394116115;asciilifeform;turns out i'm satoshi - who knew. 549763;1394116115;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, yes. whatever you call it, polish ? 549764;1394116121;MisterE;2 spaces is asian 549765;1394116127;mircea_popescu;no, you're just deeply influenced by silicon valley. 549766;1394116128;pigeons;i thought everyone did that 549767;1394116140;MisterE;well this side of the pond 549768;1394116142;MisterE;no not uS 549769;1394116147;mircea_popescu;like you know... i don't think you can find someone doing that in the vc circus if your life depended on it 549770;1394116251;MisterE;it seems I come across double spacing less often now though, maybe just me 549771;1394116268;mircea_popescu;MisterE it's really a leftover from typewriter days. 549772;1394116269;MisterE;or if its lazy good for nothing cheating students 549773;1394116277;mircea_popescu;makes 0 sense on a digital system 549774;1394116284;MisterE;oh yea totally fogotten 549775;1394116309;pigeons;omg, my husbandhas bad grammar too, just like satoshi nakamoto 549776;1394116321;mircea_popescu;wait, you have a husband now ? 549777;1394116323;mircea_popescu;AND a wife ? 549778;1394116324;MisterE;hah 549779;1394116328;mircea_popescu;what are you, the family dog ? 549780;1394116340;pigeons;depends what day it is 549781;1394116547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00429 = 0.3003 BTC [+] 549782;1394116669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00435395 = 0.2961 BTC [+] {7} 549783;1394116720;chetty;http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/03/putin-nominated-for-nobel-peace-prize/ 549784;1394116721;ozbot;Putin | Ukraine | Crimea | Nobel Peace Prize | Nomination 549785;1394116741;asciilifeform;chetty: he'll get his right after snowden. 549786;1394116769;chetty;hahahahaha 549787;1394116771;asciilifeform;chetty: and it won't be a nobel pederasteace prize, but a Lenin prize. 549788;1394116792;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 638 @ 0.00429 = 2.737 BTC [-] {2} 549789;1394116812;chetty;but then he and O could make a club or sumthin 549790;1394116818;asciilifeform;http://www.iss-reshetnev.com/images/Image/org/history/ord_lenina.jpg 549791;1394116895;mircea_popescu;lol 549792;1394116929;mircea_popescu;well i dunno, the peace prize seems inappropriate. 549793;1394116939;mircea_popescu;putin could get the physics nobel for his crimeea contgributions 549794;1394116951;mircea_popescu;bernanke math... 549795;1394117002;asciilifeform;some joker ought to fund a 'fields medal' for... spam. 549796;1394117023;asciilifeform;Chumpatronics Medal 549797;1394117103;MisterE;hmm maybe a pot fund 549798;1394117129;MisterE;it's going to be huge cash when it sweeps america next 10-years 549799;1394117148;asciilifeform;MisterE: S.MOKE ? 549800;1394117152;MisterE;yup 549801;1394117361;asciilifeform;MisterE: see mp's essay on cattle-tronics technology to learn why this is not actually an idea. 549802;1394118245;mircea_popescu;actually this is pretty funny : The New Yorker's satoshi is Michael Clear ; Fast Company's satoshi is (Neal King, Vladimir Oksman and Charles Bry). Business Insider's satoshi is Nick Szabo. 549803;1394118273;mircea_popescu;there are also two individuals legally named satoshi nakamoto, one presenting himself as satoshi, the other being presented by newsweek as satoshi 549804;1394118358;mircea_popescu;there's also Shinichi Mochizuki, Gavin's wife, Jed McCaleb (judging by kraken... god help us) 549805;1394118435;chetty;Crimea votes to join Russia 549806;1394118439;mircea_popescu;there's of course also the government 549807;1394118493;jurov;chetty what, they finally moved the refendum to yesterday? 549808;1394118504;jurov;*referendum 549809;1394118520;jurov;it was supposed to be at 30th, then at 16th 549810;1394118527;chetty;Crimea's parliament voted to join Russia on Thursday and its Moscow-backed government set a referendum within 10 days 549811;1394118552;asciilifeform;i'd really have to be in the place of a fellow 'getting satoshied' 549812;1394118564;asciilifeform;can already feel the rectothermal warmth just thinking about it. 549813;1394118580;asciilifeform;*really hate 549814;1394118591;jurov;nice freudian slip 549815;1394118597;asciilifeform;haha 549816;1394118602;chetty;well all the Satochies could get together and have a party 549817;1394118615;asciilifeform;'skull of voltaire as a child' 549818;1394118679;mircea_popescu;party sounds good. 549819;1394118683;mircea_popescu;except no women ? 549820;1394118724;chetty;ok so Satochies and guests 549821;1394118726;asciilifeform;surely some could be found. the journarasts should work harder. 549822;1394118816;asciilifeform;at some point you'll have to demonstrate a cyanide tooth to be even considered a proper candidate for satoshidom. 549823;1394118857;mircea_popescu;satoshidom 549824;1394118858;mircea_popescu;lmao. 549825;1394118864;pLambert;do we know that Satoshi is a male? 549826;1394118877;mircea_popescu;satoshidoms and satoshidommes, at the bcst! 549827;1394118894;mircea_popescu;pLambert i was merely commenting on the people held up for the role by the media so far. 549828;1394118897;mircea_popescu;we don't know jack. 549829;1394118903;asciilifeform;pLambert: how anyone can claim to know anything at all about s, is a mystery. 549830;1394118928;chetty;hmmmmm sounds like a great halloween costume :satoshidommes 549831;1394118945;asciilifeform;the best evident for nsatoshi, for instance, is the grungy cpp 549832;1394118954;asciilifeform;rather than anything posted under the name 549833;1394119044;mircea_popescu;TC: Does it matter? What would it change if it did, in your opinion? 549834;1394119044;mircea_popescu;SG: I think its very important to identify Satoshi at this point in Bitcoins history. The agenda behind Bitcoin, if there is any, cannot stay in the shadow if Bitcoin is to become a mainstream alternative currency, a challenge to the worlds monetary status quo. There has been speculation that Bitcoin may have been created by a government agency (the main employers of cryptographers of mathematicians) in 549835;1394119044;mircea_popescu;an attempt to make financial transactions easier to mine for interesting data patterns: we need to clear that up before we start relying heavily on Bitcoin in our lives. 549836;1394119051;mircea_popescu;no but check out the stupid. 549837;1394119056;mircea_popescu;people are incredible. 549838;1394119081;mircea_popescu;TC: How has your digging gone over in the BTC community? It seems like an unpopular topic at best. 549839;1394119081;mircea_popescu;SG: It has not been received well, many people are telling me to leave Satoshi alone. But when one starts having a huge impact on the world, one loses his right to anonymity. 549840;1394119082;mircea_popescu;orly. 549841;1394119093;mircea_popescu;i gotta stop reading on this topic jesus god they're offensive. 549842;1394119094;asciilifeform;;;google sympathetic magic 549843;1394119094;gribble;Sympathetic magic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathetic_magic>; Chapter 3. Sympathetic Magic. § 1. The Principles of Magic. Frazer ...: <http://www.bartleby.com/196/5.html>; Sympathetic magic - Merriam-Webster Online: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sympathetic%20magic> 549844;1394119101;asciilifeform;;;google ritual cleanliness 549845;1394119102;gribble;Ritual purification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_purification>; Ritual washing in Judaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_washing_in_Judaism>; Tumah and taharah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumah_and_taharah> 549846;1394119179;asciilifeform;tomorrow's headline: 'vlad p signs message with satoshi's key, asking idiots to stfu' 549847;1394119225;asciilifeform;incidentally, anyone who does so... will be satoshi 549848;1394119229;asciilifeform;or at least a fork. 549849;1394119277;mircea_popescu;actually this suggests a bet to me. 549850;1394119315;asciilifeform;i thought people didn't like 'geological' bets. 549851;1394119432;nubbins`;first shoulder trimmed and cubed 549852;1394119438;nubbins`;hands like claws 549853;1394119651;mircea_popescu;meh, too hard to specify. 549854;1394119659;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0425001 = 0.17 BTC [-] {2} 549855;1394119781;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.004379 = 0.1182 BTC [+] 549856;1394120269;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00432559 = 0.2163 BTC [-] {3} 549857;1394120270;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07489655 = 0.3745 BTC [+] {2} 549858;1394120330;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07489654 = 0.3745 BTC [-] 549859;1394120391;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.04399999 = 0.176 BTC [-] {2} 549860;1394120392;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 299 @ 0.0042924 = 1.2834 BTC [-] {5} 549861;1394120635;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00429 = 0.429 BTC [-] {2} 549862;1394120696;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00429 = 0.5363 BTC [-] 549863;1394120834;nubbins`;so i sent a coin to australia on january 14. it took nineteen days to get from here to vancouver, and finally arrived in australia today 549864;1394120867;nubbins`;what a wait! 549865;1394121062;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0842 = 0.421 BTC [-] 549866;1394121318;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/6/5476944/norway-will-cut-through-an-island-in-tribute-to-massacre-victims 549867;1394121318;ozbot;Norway will cut through an island in tribute to massacre victims | The Verge 549868;1394121623;cazalla;that's quite a long time nubbins` 549869;1394121641;cazalla;maybe it was stuck at customs 549870;1394121672;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.00436999 = 0.2054 BTC [+] {3} 549871;1394121683;cazalla;with standard shipping, i usually get amazon orders to here in around 2 weeks 549872;1394121764;nubbins`;i've never had anything take so long -- wondering what shape the package will be in when it arrives 549873;1394121777;nubbins`;19 days to cross canada is nuts :0 549874;1394121851;ThickAsThieves;maybe it was intercepted 549875;1394121882;mircea_popescu;inception 549876;1394121976;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves, that's pretty striking 549877;1394121984;nubbins`;(re: link) 549878;1394122037;nubbins`;re: package, my guess is the express shipping label somehow got ripped off 549879;1394122043;nubbins`;and it went surface 549880;1394122075;ThickAsThieves;i can't recall a better memorial idea 549881;1394122082;nubbins`;at least the month and a half of panicking is over. guy paid 6btc for the coin inside, via escrow 549882;1394122142;ThickAsThieves;maybe have the guy photograph it before opening the package 549883;1394122150;ThickAsThieves;in case it was tampered with 549884;1394122174;nubbins`;yeah, conditions included hd video of unpackaging 549885;1394122178;nubbins`;can't be too careful 549886;1394122230;nubbins`;this buyer was the only person so far who took me up on the offer to extend the pgp chain of custody 549887;1394122708;dexX7;nubbins` you already used super slow shipping for the baked cat shirts, so i'm not surprised :p 549888;1394122748;nubbins`;well, that was more practicality than anything. nobody wants to spend $30 shipping on a $15 shirt 549889;1394122763;nubbins`;coins, i send express :D 549890;1394122819;dexX7;was it a redeemed one? 549891;1394122878;nubbins`;nope 549892;1394122899;dexX7;:) 549893;1394122902;nubbins`;i only ever peeled one casascius coin (0.5btc brass) 549894;1394122905;nubbins`;was thrilling 549895;1394123009;nubbins`;for about a minute 549896;1394123014;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07000006 = 0.28 BTC [-] 549897;1394123015;KRS-One;You need to get out more nubbins` 549898;1394123015;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/bitcoin-exchange-first-meta-ceo-autumn-radtke-found-dead-1.2562077 549899;1394123016;ozbot;Bitcoin exchange First Meta CEO Autumn Radtke found dead - Technology & Science - CBC News 549900;1394123026;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m37j6y9SXS1ru9xfzo1_1280.jpg 549901;1394123030;nubbins`;KRS-One: the problem is how to entertain myself while i'm in! 549902;1394123071;mircea_popescu;nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2014#545213 549903;1394123075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.0690001 = 2.07 BTC [-] {3} 549904;1394123076;nubbins`;gah 549905;1394123080;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun 549906;1394123105;nubbins`;sadtrumpet.mp3 549907;1394123136;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06801001 = 0.204 BTC [-] 549908;1394123160;dexX7;there are several headlines with "bitcoin ceo died" =D 549909;1394123197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06801 = 0.6801 BTC [-] 549910;1394123263;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/could-bars-open-until-6-a-m-be-in-montreal-s-future-1.2562057 549911;1394123264;ozbot;Could bars open until 6 a.m. be in Montreal's future? - Montreal - CBC News 549912;1394123266;nubbins`;^ HEH 549913;1394123271;nubbins`;cops are gonna love that 549914;1394123300;nubbins`;this will last until the first hockey game 549915;1394123381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04259 = 0.1278 BTC [+] 549916;1394123445;ThickAsThieves;http://www.coindesk.com/upcoming-version-bitcoinj-software-will-use-tor-network/ 549917;1394123455;ThickAsThieves;Hearn keeps on giving 549918;1394123486;ThickAsThieves;http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2014/03/05/most-popular-bitcoin-apps-soon-to-run-on-tor-anonymity-network/ 549919;1394123486;ozbot;Most Popular Bitcoin Apps Soon To Run On Tor Anonymity Network - Forbes 549920;1394123488;ThickAsThieves;^ source 549921;1394123502;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 54 @ 0.04297777 = 2.3208 BTC [+] {3} 549922;1394123507;benkay;*sigh* 549923;1394123538;nubbins`;forbes.com/sites/ 549924;1394123545;nubbins`;is where i stopped reading 549925;1394123563;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04339994 = 0.1736 BTC [+] {2} 549926;1394123575;ThickAsThieves;i dont think it's quite the same as CNN/sites/ 549927;1394123600;ThickAsThieves;might just be where they keep their "columnists" 549928;1394123658;nubbins`;oh, i think you might be right 549929;1394123991;dexX7;kakobrekla: another orphaned block? https://blockchain.info/block-height/288294 + http://pastebin.com/xLFmbfD0 549930;1394124019;dexX7;the bci block has 693 txs 549931;1394124129;kakobrekla;yeah dunno 549932;1394124291;dexX7;*the real one has 693 (instead of 554) 549933;1394124322;kakobrekla;yes also the hash matches real hash on blockr 549934;1394124466;kakobrekla;interestingly enough dexX7 , tx fees match perfectly 549935;1394124473;kakobrekla;only 150txes missing 549936;1394124478;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.0846 = 1.0152 BTC [+] 549937;1394124524;dexX7;yea. the one from earlier was fixed on bc.info in the meantime 549938;1394124529;mircea_popescu;so is this coindesk basically a hand aggregator of the retarded press ? 549939;1394124539;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC 549940;1394124541;mircea_popescu;some kid just sits and googles forbes, business dorksider etc all day ? 549941;1394124583;nubbins`;reading an article about Staples closing 225 stores and there's a quote from some asshole about "right-sizing" their retail footprint 549942;1394124587;nubbins`;fuck, i hate business speak 549943;1394124600;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00436983 = 0.3277 BTC [+] {5} 549944;1394124609;nubbins`;back when i worked in a fabric-covered box, i walked past an office and overheard the woman inside talking about a "head count reduction" 549945;1394124616;kakobrekla;dexX7 well what can i say, blockr seems more reliable :) 549946;1394124626;nubbins`;nobody's getting fired, we're just going to count people, and if you don't get counted you're not getting paid 549947;1394124627;dexX7;indeed. i like the website 549948;1394124635;mircea_popescu;dexX7 this may be more or less the time one removes any large btc balances from blockchain 549949;1394124697;kakobrekla;dexX7 001ef3beb93da31ca03a0643951c594623df5f4fb670536a07614ea7c23053e4 might be the problem 549950;1394124710;kakobrekla;and it seems its the tx that they made 549951;1394124734;kakobrekla;so it seems they have a prob with their own txes 549952;1394124778;mircea_popescu;hence my comment. 549953;1394124783;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.08463509 = 0.5924 BTC [+] {3} 549954;1394124789;dexX7;the note only means that the tx was relayed or broadcasted by bci 549955;1394124796;dexX7;the tx has actually 928 confirmations 549956;1394124813;kakobrekla;http://blockchain.info/tx/001ef3beb93da31ca03a0643951c594623df5f4fb670536a07614ea7c23053e4 vs http://blockr.io/tx/info/001ef3beb93da31ca03a0643951c594623df5f4fb670536a07614ea7c23053e4 vs http://blockexplorer.com/tx/001ef3beb93da31ca03a0643951c594623df5f4fb670536a07614ea7c23053e4 549957;1394124818;ozbot;Bitcoin Transaction 001ef3beb93da31ca03a0643951c594623df5f4fb670536a07614ea7c23053e4 549958;1394124859;mircea_popescu;"hypothesis on why I think the real Sotoshi was found" 549959;1394124865;mircea_popescu;defonituly. 549960;1394124905;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/female-westjet-pilot-posts-passenger-s-sexist-note-on-facebook-1.2559603 549961;1394124906;ozbot;Female WestJet pilot posts passenger's sexist note on Facebook - British Columbia - CBC News 549962;1394124920;kakobrekla;yeah, its not 100% from them, but likely 549963;1394124939;nubbins`;"I respectfully disagree with your opinion that the 'cockpit,' (we now call it the flight deck as no cocks are required), is no place for a lady. In fact, there are no places that are not for ladies anymore." 549964;1394124944;nubbins`;HAHAHAHA PLUS ONE 549965;1394125027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04307995 = 0.2154 BTC [-] {2} 549966;1394125028;ThickAsThieves;mp, dr greg is calling you out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg5550181#msg5550181 549967;1394125043;mircea_popescu;out of the cockpit ? 549968;1394125082;ThickAsThieves;more of an i-told-you-so 549969;1394125095;mircea_popescu;"Too funny. Despite the incoherence of his blog post, at least MP has finally stepped up and conceded the incompetence of his former approach to options market making. For finally admitting that and quitting the business of options market making without being adequately prepared, he deserves a positive acknowledgement." 549970;1394125097;mircea_popescu;derp ? 549971;1394125106;mircea_popescu;dude that moore idiot should have been shot. 549972;1394125149;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.37038703 BTC to 3`597 shares, 65899 satoshi per share 549973;1394125183;mircea_popescu;because the us failed to execute him, the entire country is now full of losers who imagine that if they somehow pour drivel which happens to contain references to GM's CEO they somehow gain relevance. 549974;1394125319;kakobrekla;dexX7 apparently it was fixed, perhaps they are reading assets logs or something 549975;1394125336;dexX7;hehe 549976;1394125369;ThickAsThieves;someone should poke them to explain why it happened and won't happen again 549977;1394125380;kakobrekla;but it will! 549978;1394125383;ThickAsThieves;^ Cary ^ 549979;1394125472;mircea_popescu;maybe they, you know, independently audit their own chainz 549980;1394125494;kakobrekla;the block was a week old 549981;1394125499;kakobrekla;or smth 549982;1394125509;mircea_popescu;900 confirms huh 549983;1394125511;mircea_popescu;yeah i guess. 549984;1394125515;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04200299 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2} 549985;1394125567;kakobrekla;schrodingers blockchain 549986;1394125651;mircea_popescu;so today i woke up to the pirate sec deposition, and i had to interrupt my launch because some overqualified stripper went off the deep end in newsweek 549987;1394125667;mircea_popescu;the theory that three's a charm is kind-of giving me goosebumps atm. 549988;1394125675;mircea_popescu;s/launch/lunch 549989;1394126091;lnovy;mircea_popescu: i've just read mpoe february 2014 statement and I cannot hold myself to tell you this: Good job. 549990;1394126146;kakobrekla;are you like dr gregs evil brother? 549991;1394126186;lnovy;i have my own asshole brother :) 549992;1394126344;kakobrekla;luxury 549993;1394126474;ThickAsThieves;i wonder how these AUR are being "air-dropped" 549994;1394126481;ThickAsThieves;in the mailbox? to be stolen? 549995;1394126501;mircea_popescu;lnovy ty. 549996;1394126519;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves prolly some website thing 549997;1394126570;ThickAsThieves;"MazaCoin is a fork of ZetaCoin and unlike Bitcoin, is inflationary, making it possible for new coins to be mined over time." 549998;1394126572;ThickAsThieves;painful 549999;1394126591;ThickAsThieves;what is Asicminer mining then? 550000;1394126607;mircea_popescu;old coins 550001;1394126629;nubbins`;heh. 550002;1394126639;mircea_popescu;what's an asshole brother lnovy ?! 550003;1394126729;lnovy;mircea_popescu: that was just a quick to-be-funny reaction 550004;1394126750;lnovy;i failed obviously 550005;1394126791;mircea_popescu;interesting concept nevertheless. 550006;1394126873;lnovy;indeed 550007;1394127008;ThickAsThieves;it's when you bump assholes with a guy, swapping anal cooties, making you asshole brothers 550008;1394127136;nubbins`;poop swap 550009;1394127141;nubbins`;like blood brothers 550010;1394127175;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS2QwKRhnds 550011;1394127176;ozbot;Ass to Ass Loop - Requiem for a Dream - YouTube 550012;1394127187;benkay;nubbins`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_bacteriotherapy 550013;1394127840;ThickAsThieves;http://gawker.com/a-letter-from-ray-jasper-who-is-about-to-be-executed-1536073598 550014;1394127840;ozbot;A Letter From Ray Jasper, Who Is About to Be Executed 550015;1394128984;kakobrekla;http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=503566.0 550016;1394128985;ozbot;Safello launches complete redesign of website as it gears up for European expans 550017;1394129028;mircea_popescu;which one is this one ? 550018;1394129046;kakobrekla;>Safello announces a $600k investment round lead by prominent Bitcoin advocates Erik Voorhees and Roger Ver joined by Blockchain.info CEO Nicolas Cary and angel investors Victor & Victor. The Sweden based company also launches a complete redesign of their website to gear up for their European expansion as the safest way into Bitcoin. 550019;1394129063;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves that thing is beyond fake. 550020;1394129586;ThickAsThieves;the letter is fake? 550021;1394129722;mircea_popescu;unless you're telling me an unemployable black kid that supplemented his dole payments with robbery somehow went to vassar while in a texas jail. 550022;1394129724;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5800001 BTC [+] 550023;1394129839;mircea_popescu;really badly written, too. "When I first responded to you, I didn't think that it would cause people to reach out to me and voice their opinions. I've never been on the internet in my life and I'm not fully aware of the social circles on the internet, so it was a surprise to receive reactions so quickly." 550024;1394129844;*;ThickAsThieves shrugs 550025;1394129850;ThickAsThieves;not sure it matters 550026;1394129852;ThickAsThieves;http://coinchomp.com/2014/03/06/journalist-harasses-man-believes-bitcoin-founder/ 550027;1394129853;ozbot;Journalist Harrasses Man Believing Him to be Bitcoin Founder Satoshi Nakamoto - CoinChomp 550028;1394129858;mircea_popescu;"here's what some libertard that's been on the internet all her lyf thinks a guy who's not would say" 550029;1394129902;ThickAsThieves;maybe he has a mentor, i dunno 550030;1394130059;mircea_popescu;yeah. a mentor that's never talked to anyone who's not online. 550031;1394130076;mircea_popescu;nor gives a shit about anything but how the story should read for maximal impact in the mouthbreather herd. 550032;1394130379;deadweasel;^ this is what I saw in this and the first letter. 550033;1394130386;deadweasel;it's as if the anti death penalty league wrote it 550034;1394130441;mike_c;he slit the guy's throat. but the guy didn't die and his accomplice finished him off. 550035;1394130579;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 550036;1394131127;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23003 @ 0.00087007 = 20.0142 BTC [+] 550037;1394131493;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.60181866 = 3.0091 BTC [+] {5} 550038;1394131529;dexX7;https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffirstmonday.org%2Fojs%2Findex.php%2Ffm%2Farticle%2FviewFile%2F474%2F830%2F5678&t=537&c=FLUTTcM5qE6Bcw looky, allegedly from 1995 550039;1394131554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 124 @ 0.63307968 = 78.5019 BTC [+] {31} 550040;1394131615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.65 = 5.2 BTC [+] 550041;1394131617;dexX7;boom 550042;1394131627;benkay`;dexX7: mystical buttcorns 550043;1394131733;ThickAsThieves;dats a lotta AM 550044;1394132103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.64846153 = 8.43 BTC [-] {6} 550045;1394132164;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [+] 550046;1394132225;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00574967 = 0.4312 BTC [+] {4} 550047;1394132226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 730 @ 0.00435204 = 3.177 BTC [+] {9} 550048;1394132286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00438863 = 0.6583 BTC [+] {15} 550049;1394132347;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00438915 = 0.1317 BTC [+] {4} 550050;1394132987;the20year2;RENT will start trading/non-IPO trading tomorrow around noon 550051;1394133080;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07488998 = 0.674 BTC [-] {2} 550052;1394133140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07489405 = 0.4494 BTC [+] {3} 550053;1394133141;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00574988 = 1.725 BTC [-] {4} 550054;1394133186;benkay`;how much of a selloff are you expecting, the20year2? 550055;1394133262;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0863266 = 0.259 BTC [+] {2} 550056;1394133324;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 617 @ 0.00574993 = 3.5477 BTC [+] 550057;1394133381;mike_c;;;calc (78534-24564)*0.0055 550058;1394133381;gribble;296.835 550059;1394133384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00444777 = 0.1557 BTC [+] 550060;1394133385;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 635 @ 0.00574995 = 3.6512 BTC [+] {2} 550061;1394133409;benkay`;!t h rent 550062;1394133410;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (674 shares, 3.70700000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (11826 shares, 65.04300000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (53970 shares, 296.83500000 BTC) 550063;1394133439;mike_c;300 btc. not sure what to make of that. 550064;1394133445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00575 = 0.46 BTC [+] 550065;1394133454;benkay`;the20year2: are you willing to lend me some shares? 550066;1394133506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00579947 = 0.2958 BTC [+] {4} 550067;1394133558;the20year2;Depends on how much money you send me 550068;1394133571;the20year2;Benkay, i'm expecting price to rise to .006 or .007 550069;1394133602;mircea_popescu;o.O 550070;1394133628;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 47 @ 0.0055 = 0.2585 BTC 550071;1394133630;benkay`;i'll put collateral on deposit with someone, not you 550072;1394133636;benkay`;maybe i just want to do a bitbet 550073;1394133640;the20year2;You were the one asking for handouts :D 550074;1394133649;benkay`;hey, watch your mouth. 550075;1394133651;benkay`;i will collateralize. 550076;1394133688;benkay`;ThickAsThieves: ping 550077;1394133689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 16 @ 0.04399999 = 0.704 BTC [-] {2} 550078;1394133691;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00589 = 0.1414 BTC [+] 550079;1394133760;benkay`;the20year2: assume i have btc and can collateralize a position. are you willing to lend me shares? 550080;1394133791;mike_c;what are you going to do with them? you can't sell them until ipo is off. tough to short if it gaps down. 550081;1394133821;the20year2;I guess so? You'd have to send me more details 550082;1394133936;the20year2;IPO ends tomorrow at noon 550083;1394133952;benkay`;mike_c: pm 550084;1394134177;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1088 @ 0.00446484 = 4.8577 BTC [+] {9} 550085;1394134238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 912 @ 0.00449559 = 4.1 BTC [+] {4} 550086;1394134299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 400 @ 0.00089565 = 0.3583 BTC [+] {2} 550087;1394134421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6466 = 1.9398 BTC [-] {2} 550088;1394134440;r3wt;;;bcauth 550089;1394134441;gribble;(bcauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered with the bot with a bitcoin address for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes. 550090;1394134447;r3wt;;;bcauth r3wt 550091;1394134448;gribble;Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!add82c3d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.216.44.61. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:7022ce55a1580f78f4ef9c40738c3eb47ee2495c1571a59ea183aedd 550092;1394134482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00589786 = 0.3539 BTC [+] {4} 550093;1394134501;B007;well this guy http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/bitcoin-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-revealed-after-years-of-mystery/ lives 2 hours away from me 550094;1394134543;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0059585 = 0.2383 BTC [+] {2} 550095;1394134559;B007;I wonder if people will start showing up at his house now asking for bitcoin 550096;1394134665;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.645 BTC [-] 550097;1394134787;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00449998 = 0.432 BTC [+] {4} 550098;1394134788;Phraust;or with $5 wrenches. 550099;1394134848;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 230 @ 0.00449999 = 1.035 BTC [+] 550100;1394134867;B007;I'm temped to show up myself lol 550101;1394134909;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.07000012 = 2.59 BTC [-] {4} 550102;1394134947;deadweasel;no. 550103;1394135007;B007;ok 550104;1394135031;mike_c;no point. either he is the guy and deserves some respect, or he isn't and you're annoying some stranger 550105;1394135336;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07 = 0.49 BTC [-] {2} 550106;1394135749;dexX7;http://www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-audit-proves-behind-147m-mystery-bitcoin-wallet/ 550107;1394135764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 29 @ 0.0055 = 0.1595 BTC 550108;1394135886;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 118 @ 0.00555319 = 0.6553 BTC [+] {3} 550109;1394135969;dexX7;at that time about 20-25k btc were on the books.. wouldn't have assumed that there was so much sleeping money/coins x.x 550110;1394136007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07599992 = 0.608 BTC [+] 550111;1394136008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 550112;1394136068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 72 @ 0.0055 = 0.396 BTC 550113;1394136069;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.07798294 = 1.8716 BTC [+] {5} 550114;1394137044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 444 @ 0.0045 = 1.998 BTC [+] 550115;1394137045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 32 @ 0.66514997 = 21.2848 BTC [+] {14} 550116;1394137171;pLambert;what is S.MNKY going to be? 550117;1394137218;nubbins`;a barrel of fun? 550118;1394137288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 219 @ 0.0055 = 1.2045 BTC 550119;1394137654;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 103 @ 0.00598999 = 0.617 BTC [+] {6} 550120;1394137668;mike_c;s.mnky is going to implement the infinite monkey protocol. 550121;1394137699;mike_c;http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2795.txt 550122;1394137715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00598999 = 0.4792 BTC [+] {3} 550123;1394137774;jurov;prolly ends up as reference RFC implementation 550124;1394137837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.67 = 1.34 BTC [+] 550125;1394137915;jurov;mircea_popescu: consider asking MPOE-PR to announce on trolltalk that S.MNKY is hiring :DDD 550126;1394137935;rithm;hi 550127;1394137948;nubbins`;jcpham was a better nick 550128;1394137988;rithm;yo mam 550129;1394137989;rithm;a 550130;1394137997;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMPM1q_Uyxc 550131;1394137997;ozbot;Rhythm is a dancer - YouTube 550132;1394138009;mike_c;genius jurov. put the forum to good use for once. 550133;1394138024;rithm;satoshi convinced me 550134;1394138053;ThickAsThieves;sup benkay 550135;1394138081;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00599999 = 0.108 BTC [+] 550136;1394138142;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07999397 = 0.24 BTC [+] 550137;1394138630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 102 @ 0.0055 = 0.561 BTC 550138;1394138773;nubbins`;i forgot how much i like skinny puppy 550139;1394138778;nubbins`;some of their earlier shit is insane 550140;1394138874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.005999 = 0.12 BTC [-] 550141;1394138950;mircea_popescu;jurov lol maybe an idea 550142;1394138996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00449991 = 0.1665 BTC [-] 550143;1394139115;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/776/light-sweet-crude-oil-wti-jan-2015-over/#c2568 550144;1394139116;ozbot;BitBet - Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014 550145;1394139125;mircea_popescu;today in "Bitcoin People Are Insane" : 550146;1394139149;mircea_popescu;guy that has no idea how to work cmegroup.com wants to bet on the oil price 550147;1394139179;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.00449991 = 0.5175 BTC [-] 550148;1394139728;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.00449991 = 0.3105 BTC [-] 550149;1394139733;ThickAsThieves;We Are All Bitcoin https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=510 550150;1394139798;ThickAsThieves;"Everyone who is involved in Bitcoin understands the strength of the design." do they? 550151;1394139826;nubbins`;depends on your definition of "involved" :D 550152;1394139837;ThickAsThieves;bleh, buncha hot air text 550153;1394139839;ThickAsThieves;TLDR 550154;1394139854;mircea_popescu;garzik trying to undo piles of piled idiocy. 550155;1394139887;nubbins`;twist: leah mcgrath goodman is satoshi nakamoto 550156;1394139914;ThickAsThieves;and married to John Goodman 550157;1394139917;Namworld;Well I hear government backing of a fiat currency gives value, but faith does not give innate value to a fiat like BTC. Apparently if I disagree and claim both are fiat, without innate value and purely faith based valuation, I don't know what I'm talking about. 550158;1394139926;Namworld;It's nice to know only faith in government counts. 550159;1394139951;mircea_popescu;you're preachin' to the choir. 550160;1394139968;ThickAsThieves;"Jeff Garzik is an engineer, blogger, futurist and entrepreneur. " 550161;1394139974;nubbins`;futurist! 550162;1394139976;ThickAsThieves;how do i become a futurisy? 550163;1394139978;Namworld;I know. 550164;1394139978;ThickAsThieves;t 550165;1394139984;nubbins`;first step is to become a wizard 550166;1394139994;ThickAsThieves;can i also be a pastist 550167;1394140000;nubbins`;second step is to call yourself a futurist instead of a wizard 550168;1394140003;ThickAsThieves;or a presenist 550169;1394140004;ThickAsThieves;t 550170;1394140013;nubbins`;pastists are called throwbacks 550171;1394140032;nubbins`;or codgers if they're really good at it 550172;1394140032;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves pastits are the guys who attack the pasties to the tits. 550173;1394140048;jurov;not 1337 enough.. should be phuturist instead 550174;1394140051;nubbins`;attack with scissors 550175;1394140065;mircea_popescu;or maybe a fartist 550176;1394140068;mircea_popescu;like a far seeing fart artist 550177;1394140070;nubbins`;god DAMN there are some good smells coming up the stairs 550178;1394140076;assbot;Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1695879/plain/) 550179;1394140076;mircea_popescu;!b 2 550180;1394140089;nubbins`;i've been boiling some pork bones for 4 hours now 550181;1394140110;nubbins`;i suspect p just lifted the lid to stir 550182;1394140155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 550183;1394140277;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 120 @ 0.0055 = 0.66 BTC 550184;1394140460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00599 = 0.1198 BTC [-] 550185;1394140826;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63000201 = 1.26 BTC [-] 550186;1394140887;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04250006 = 0.1275 BTC [-] {2} 550187;1394140937;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/3aGHJHc.jpg 550188;1394141130;nubbins`;would wear 550189;1394141147;mircea_popescu;;p; 550190;1394141295;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/575U3WI.gif 550191;1394141741;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 912 @ 0.00052059 = 0.4748 BTC [-] {6} 550192;1394141863;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 204 @ 0.0055 = 1.122 BTC {2} 550193;1394142108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 550194;1394142168;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07249999 = 0.725 BTC [+] 550195;1394142169;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.0055 = 0.3575 BTC 550196;1394142412;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07260011 = 0.6534 BTC [+] {2} 550197;1394142839;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 20 @ 0.00519874 = 0.104 BTC [-] 550198;1394143167;BingoBoingo;Is S.MNKY hiring a futurist? 550199;1394143388;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC 550200;1394143561;benkay;it's your MNKY moment, BingoBoingo. 550201;1394143575;benkay;MNK(S.)Y 550202;1394143632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 550203;1394143785;jurov;BingoBoingo: no, that would be X.MNKY 550204;1394143832;mircea_popescu;lol 550205;1394143870;mircea_popescu;"i feel the need to add this otherwise lame alt exchange pre-announcement 550206;1394143870;mircea_popescu;thread to today's notes due to my distinct impression i'm watching signals 550207;1394143870;mircea_popescu;pass through a colony of penguins." 550208;1394143919;BingoBoingo;jurov: Ah. 550209;1394144063;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo btw, any atc sold into your bid ? 550210;1394144141;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Not yet 550211;1394144157;mircea_popescu;wonder what all the miners are doing with their loot. 550212;1394144218;BingoBoingo;Well, someone bought an ask. 550213;1394144221;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=1.0 550214;1394144222;ozbot;Bitcoin Discussion 550215;1394144232;mircea_popescu;kinda lovely how the spirit oif the discussion has changed. 550216;1394144247;mircea_popescu;from 5 threads hyping the OMG SATOSHI FOUND angle we're now on to "omg media lied". 550217;1394144347;benkay;mircea_popescu: cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/06_you-have-not-found-satoshi.html 550218;1394144386;dexX7;don't forget about all those "this poor guys life is scwered, people will murder him 1000 %" posts 550219;1394144442;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/N8ifBU8 550220;1394144443;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 550221;1394144447;nubbins`;going on 6 hours now 550222;1394144453;nubbins`;still not sure what i'm doing with it ;( 550223;1394144466;mircea_popescu;benkay pretty much 550224;1394144483;mircea_popescu;nubbins` add beans, bottle the gas. 550225;1394144488;nubbins`;heh 550226;1394144492;rithm;lol 550227;1394144500;nubbins`;you can see the high water mark on the side of the pot 550228;1394144547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 109 @ 0.00439999 = 0.4796 BTC [+] {3} 550229;1394144573;benkay;nubbins`: soak oats overnight in that shit 550230;1394144576;benkay;savory oatmeal 550231;1394144584;nubbins`;ehh, not a fan of oatmean 550232;1394144587;nubbins`;*oatmeal 550233;1394144591;benkay;steel cut oats? 550234;1394144596;benkay;the nubbly things? 550235;1394144599;mircea_popescu;"Yesterday the CEO of Bitcoin got bankrupt, today they found the founder...." 550236;1394144602;nubbins`;if i can find bean paste, i might make 감자탕 (gamjatang) 550237;1394144606;mircea_popescu;no srsly, i'm like fucking proud of the forum suddenly. 550238;1394144608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0433988 = 0.1302 BTC [+] 550239;1394144612;mircea_popescu;it's like... +1000 points 550240;1394144647;nubbins`;only 8k short 550241;1394144715;rithm;yep 550242;1394144720;mircea_popescu;sometyhing like that 550243;1394144742;mircea_popescu;pirateat40 hey i hear pirateat40 repaid your bitxoinz 550244;1394144815;mircea_popescu;" @stacyherbert 3h Great work by #KeiserReport regular @truth_eater. I had NO idea she was working on the story of 21st century!" 550245;1394144835;mircea_popescu;lol is there any shit keiser fails to taste ? 550246;1394144852;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63000201 BTC [-] 550247;1394144974;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0433988 = 0.217 BTC [+] 550248;1394145040;nubbins`;https://twitter.com/DorianSatoshi 550249;1394145040;nubbins`;i lel'd 550250;1394145041;ozbot;Dorian S. Nakamoto (DorianSatoshi) on Twitter 550251;1394145096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00087007 = 1.8271 BTC [+] 550252;1394145229;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/DorianSatoshi/status/441689519193350144 lol 550253;1394145229;ozbot;Twitter / DorianSatoshi: Hypothetically speaking, how ... 550254;1394145279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63899999 = 1.917 BTC [+] 550255;1394145463;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07399999 = 0.37 BTC [-] 550256;1394145645;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63899999 = 1.278 BTC [+] 550257;1394145828;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 547 @ 0.0055 = 3.0085 BTC 550258;1394145829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07585076 = 0.6068 BTC [+] {3} 550259;1394145841;nubbins`;dat am1 550260;1394145849;nubbins`;HEADING STRAIGHT BACK TO 5 550261;1394145889;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.07450096 = 2.384 BTC [-] {6} 550262;1394145950;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0730001 = 0.73 BTC [-] {2} 550263;1394146011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0434 = 0.3906 BTC [+] 550264;1394146098;mircea_popescu;"In the late 60's, Termen left spy work and got a university job doing acoustical research. One day a visiting Western journalist ran in to Termen, and unfortunately reported the fact that he was still alive in the New York Times. 550265;1394146098;mircea_popescu;This was too much for Termen's boss, who took all of Termen's musical instruments outside and chopped them up with an axe. Electricity is only good for making electric chairs, he explained. And that was the end of Termen's university career. 550266;1394146098;mircea_popescu;This is what oppression often looks like. No one called from Moscow and told this guy to destroy Termen's work. But he didn't care to stick his neck out, and took a proactive approach." 550267;1394146126;mircea_popescu;this is quite relevant for bitcoin. living in an oppressive, totalitarian regime does not mean obama orders your business destroyed 550268;1394146133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04345 = 0.1738 BTC [+] 550269;1394146142;mircea_popescu;it simply means that you can't find a us bank that'' work with you. 550270;1394146158;mircea_popescu;because "aml", which is to say... didn't care to stick its neck out. 550271;1394146987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 22 @ 0.10885293 = 2.3948 BTC [-] {8} 550272;1394147292;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.005999 = 0.132 BTC [+] 550273;1394147475;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00087095 = 3.9628 BTC [+] 550274;1394147536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [-] {2} 550275;1394147598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00087013 = 16.4455 BTC [-] {2} 550276;1394147658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-] 550277;1394148025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.075 = 0.225 BTC [-] 550278;1394148451;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6492121 BTC [+] 550279;1394148512;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07399999 = 0.37 BTC [-] 550280;1394148573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00086899 = 10.2975 BTC [-] {3} 550281;1394148623;mircea_popescu;;;tslb 550282;1394148625;gribble;Time since last block: 8 minutes and 16 seconds ago 550283;1394148634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 215 @ 0.0055 = 1.1825 BTC 550284;1394148635;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07399999 = 0.37 BTC [-] 550285;1394149269;wao-ender;heh aml 550286;1394149276;wao-ender;I still wondering how I will evade it. 550287;1394149282;wao-ender;oh, co-operate, right. 550288;1394149344;B007;http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ someone needs to bet a bunch of bitcoin >1000 550289;1394149348;ozbot;BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD 550290;1394149405;mircea_popescu;that promises to be an interesting bet. 550291;1394149457;mike_c;wow, no faith. http://bitbet.us/bet/779/bitcoin-price-above-1000-before-april/ 550292;1394149489;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 34 @ 0.005 = 0.17 BTC [-] 550293;1394149765;mircea_popescu;mike_c lol 550294;1394149770;mircea_popescu;im sure someone will eventually. 550295;1394149799;mircea_popescu;nice arbitrage op there anyway, the 10k bet shows 3:2, the 1k bet shows 100:1 ?! 550296;1394149856;ThickAsThieves;lol did you guys see the Satoshi free lunch thing? 550297;1394149881;ThickAsThieves;http://instagram.com/p/lNv9-_QaNF 550298;1394149882;ozbot;Instagram 550299;1394149888;mircea_popescu;yeah pretty good troll acct. 550300;1394149894;ThickAsThieves;no 550301;1394149896;ThickAsThieves;for reals 550302;1394149904;ThickAsThieves;he chose one reporter 550303;1394149909;ThickAsThieves;to go to sushi 550304;1394149911;mircea_popescu;yes yes 550305;1394149923;mircea_popescu;and started derping on twitter 550306;1394149932;mircea_popescu;makes perfect sens 550307;1394149933;mircea_popescu;e 550308;1394149976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC 550309;1394150464;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 180 @ 0.0055 = 0.99 BTC 550310;1394150550;BingoBoingo;A literal, rather than figurative fire fight http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/03/06/st-libory-illinois-bike-apartment-fire-firefighter-attacked/6130449/ 550311;1394151135;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13593 @ 0.00086856 = 11.8063 BTC [-] {2} 550312;1394151360;asciilifeform;so, has the woman behind the satoshi crap gone to burn in the same hell jayson blair is in ? 550313;1394151562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15276 @ 0.00087125 = 13.3092 BTC [+] {3} 550314;1394151587;dexX7;woah this is sick. so many cameras. the whole day i was thinking "pf.. who cares, as if one of the redditors and whosoever would ever leave his house" :D 550315;1394151623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25524 @ 0.00087213 = 22.2602 BTC [+] {3} 550316;1394151623;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.624 = 1.248 BTC [-] {2} 550317;1394151943;cads;so we've allegedly discovered the identity of satoshi? 550318;1394151972;BingoBoingo;No, Newsweek just accelerated its slow death 550319;1394151993;asciilifeform;cads: might as well say that we finally learned that lbj had kennedy plugged. 550320;1394152024;BingoBoingo;I thought DeGaul plugged Kennedy? 550321;1394152033;cads;I don't understand what you guys are saying - do you guys think the man is the originator of BTC? 550322;1394152042;dub;yes 550323;1394152046;dub;undoubtedly 550324;1394152056;asciilifeform;cads: there is no reason whatsoever to think so. 550325;1394152064;mike_c;no way. there is extensive lexical analysis proving mp is satoshi. 550326;1394152155;cads;asciilifeform: I don't see how anyone could really reveal that they are in fact satoshi 550327;1394152172;asciilifeform;cads: signing with a known satoshi addr key might be a good start. 550328;1394152204;cads;oh yeah, I am an idiot 550329;1394152239;dub;or are you satoshi trying to throw us off teh scent! 550330;1394152268;BingoBoingo;Just as likely actual Satoshi disliked this Satoshi and chose his name to reserve that seat in the Gasenwagen 550331;1394152330;cads;the part that makes the article high entertainment is where they reveal that the man's name is actually satoshi nakamoto 550332;1394152366;cads;once you buy that this could be possible the rest of the article does down like a glass of water :) 550333;1394152997;dexX7;here is another close up picture http://i.imgur.com/GmNiee5.jpg 550334;1394153026;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47316 @ 0.00087417 = 41.3622 BTC [+] {3} 550335;1394153366;Duffer1;that poor guy 550336;1394153413;Duffer1;he's going to have newsies camped out on his lawn 550337;1394153496;dexX7;yup 550338;1394153613;asciilifeform;'He might turn the speech into the usual denunciation of 550339;1394153613;asciilifeform;traitors and thought-criminals, but that was a little too 550340;1394153613;asciilifeform;obvious, while to invent a victory at the front, or some 550341;1394153613;asciilifeform;triumph of over-production in the Ninth Three-Year Plan, might 550342;1394153613;asciilifeform;complicate the records too much. What was needed was a piece of 550343;1394153614;asciilifeform;pure fantasy. Suddenly there sprang into his mind, ready made 550344;1394153615;asciilifeform;as it were, the image of a certain Comrade Ogilvy, who had 550345;1394153619;asciilifeform;recently died in battle, in heroic circumstances. There were 550346;1394153621;asciilifeform;occasions when Big Brother devoted his Order for the Day to 550347;1394153623;asciilifeform;commemorating some humble, rankand-file Party member whose life 550348;1394153625;asciilifeform;and death he held up as an example worthy to be followed. Today 550349;1394153627;asciilifeform;he should commemorate Comrade Ogilvy. It was true that there 550350;1394153630;asciilifeform;was no such person as Comrade Ogilvy, but a few lines of print 550351;1394153632;asciilifeform;and a couple of faked photographs would soon bring him into 550352;1394153634;asciilifeform;existence. 550353;1394153635;asciilifeform;Winston thought for a moment, then pulled the speakwrite 550354;1394153638;asciilifeform;towards him and began dictating in Big Brother's familiar 550355;1394153639;asciilifeform;style: a style at once military and pedantic, and, because of a 550356;1394153642;asciilifeform;trick of asking questions and then promptly answering them 550357;1394153644;asciilifeform;('What lessons do we learn from this fact, comrades ? The 550358;1394153646;asciilifeform;lesson -- which is also one of the fundamental principles of 550359;1394153650;asciilifeform;Ingsoc -- that,' etc., etc.), easy to imitate. 550360;1394153652;asciilifeform;At the age of three Comrade Ogilvy had refused all toys 550361;1394153654;asciilifeform;except a drum, a sub-machine gun, and a model helicopter. At 550362;1394153656;asciilifeform;six -- a year early, by a special relaxation of the rules -- he 550363;1394153658;asciilifeform;had joined the Spies, at nine he had been a troop leader. At 550364;1394153660;asciilifeform;eleven he had denounced his uncle to the Thought Police after 550365;1394153662;asciilifeform;overhearing a conversation which appeared to him to have 550366;1394153664;asciilifeform;criminal tendencies. At seventeen he had been a district 550367;1394153666;asciilifeform;organizer of the Junior Anti-Sex League. At nine teen he had 550368;1394153668;asciilifeform;designed a hand-grenade which had been adopted by the Ministry 550369;1394153670;asciilifeform;of Peace and which, at its first trial, had killed thirtyone 550370;1394153672;asciilifeform;Eurasian prisoners in one burst. At twenty-three he had 550371;1394153674;asciilifeform;perished in action. Pursued by enemy jet planes while flying 550372;1394153676;asciilifeform;over the Indian Ocean with important despatches, he had 550373;1394153680;asciilifeform;weighted his body with his machine gun and leapt out of the 550374;1394153682;asciilifeform;helicopter into deep water, despatches and all -- an end, said 550375;1394153684;asciilifeform;Big Brother, which it was impossible to contemplate without 550376;1394153686;asciilifeform;feelings of envy. Big Brother added a few remarks on the purity 550377;1394153688;asciilifeform;and single-mindedness of Comrade Ogilvy's life. He was a total 550378;1394153690;asciilifeform;abstainer and a nonsmoker, had no recreations except a daily 550379;1394153690;dub;ccccombo breaker 550380;1394153692;asciilifeform;hour in the gymnasium, and had taken a vow of celibacy, 550381;1394153693;asciilifeform;believing marriage and the care of a family to be incompatible 550382;1394153695;asciilifeform;with a twenty-four-hour-a-day devotion to duty. He had no 550383;1394153697;asciilifeform;subjects of conversation except the principles of Ingsoc, and 550384;1394153699;asciilifeform;no aim in life except the defeat of the Eurasian enemy and the 550385;1394153701;asciilifeform;hunting-down of spies, saboteurs, thoughtcriminals, and 550386;1394153703;asciilifeform;traitors generally. 550387;1394153705;asciilifeform;Winston debated with himself whether to award Comrade 550388;1394153709;asciilifeform;Ogilvy the Order of Conspicuous Merit: in the end he decided 550389;1394153711;asciilifeform;against it because of the unnecessary cross-referencing that it 550390;1394153713;asciilifeform;would entail.' 550391;1394153715;asciilifeform;- the obvious place 550392;1394153717;asciilifeform;'... Comrade Ogilvy, unimagined an hour ago, was now a fact. It struck him as curious that you could create dead men but not living ones. Comrade Ogilvy, who had never existed in the present, now existed in the past, and when once the act of forgery was forgotten, he would exist just as authentically, and upon the same evidence, as Charlemagne or Julius Caesar.' 550393;1394153819;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 363 @ 0.0055 = 1.9965 BTC 550394;1394153880;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00087604 = 7.4463 BTC [+] 550395;1394153880;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62100002 BTC [-] 550396;1394153891;btclovernick;all my coinbase bitcoins have been stolen 550397;1394153892;btclovernick;can you hep me 550398;1394153893;btclovernick;e 550399;1394153930;asciilifeform;btclovernick: how could we possibly help you ? 550400;1394153936;btclovernick;i dunno 550401;1394153998;btclovernick;e to reclaim or retrieve these funds, as they've been sent outside of Coinbase and are irreversible transfers. Whoever withdrew these did leave a trail however, and logged the IP addresses 93.174.90.30, 212.227.102.198, and 37.221.171.236 in our system. 550402;1394154002;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.621 = 1.863 BTC [-] {2} 550403;1394154003;btclovernick;can u pls help me 550404;1394154035;dexX7;tell about your security messurements, so at least you may learn something for the future 550405;1394154063;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07499799 = 0.3 BTC [+] 550406;1394154064;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0055 = 0.1925 BTC 550407;1394154072;mike_c;who is "our" system? 550408;1394154076;dexX7;2fa enabled? mail account used for other services? did you reuse the password? windows, linux? 550409;1394154429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00087864 = 2.6359 BTC [+] 550410;1394154784;asciilifeform;http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ap-exclusive-man-denies-hes-bitcoin-founder/2014/03/06/a0878e10-a590-11e3-b865-38b254d92063_story.html 550411;1394154784;ozbot;AP Exclusive: Man denies he’s Bitcoin founder - The Washington Post 550412;1394154859;MisterE;I wish they would leave the old guy alone 550413;1394154883;MisterE;ffs they printed his house name of his whole family then go on to say he's worth 400 mil 550414;1394154922;asciilifeform;MisterE: there is exactly zero evidence that the man with the unlucky name had anything to do with bitcoin. 550415;1394154946;MisterE;yea they might even bothering the wrong guy! 550416;1394155954;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07770001 = 0.3885 BTC [+] 550417;1394156076;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.07899999 = 1.422 BTC [+] {2} 550418;1394156198;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07899999 = 0.553 BTC [+] 550419;1394156254;dexX7;http://imgur.com/2FvwEK0WC lol i never saw this 550420;1394156320;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4864 @ 0.000187 = 0.9096 BTC [-] 550421;1394156748;diametric;http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topics/bitcoin-open-source?commentId=2003008%3AComment%3A52186 550422;1394156750;diametric;I suppose his account could have been compromised, but thats pretty interesting. 550423;1394156770;diametric;How long ago was it he surfaced? 550424;1394156809;asciilifeform;http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topic/listForContributor?user=0ye0gncqg772o 550425;1394156809;ozbot;Satoshi Nakamoto's Discussions - P2P Foundation 550426;1394156823;dexX7;woah 550427;1394156832;diametric;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=504715.0 550428;1394156834;diametric;Thread on it 550429;1394156838;diametric;asciilifeform: when was the last time he surfaced? 550430;1394156850;dexX7;2009 550431;1394156863;diametric;No I'm pretty sure I saw posts from him in 2010 550432;1394156874;asciilifeform;yeah that was the last i recall 550433;1394156948;cazalla;maybe someone at gmx did a password reset and accessed his email? 550434;1394156963;diametric;Its entirely possible 550435;1394156983;asciilifeform;maybe one of you with an account on btctalk should ask him to repost, signed 550436;1394156993;dexX7;on btctalk? 550437;1394157003;asciilifeform;nm 550438;1394157013;asciilifeform;on 'p2p foundation' 550439;1394157057;diametric;You guys heard about the car chase? hah 550440;1394157076;diametric;And the video of faux-Satoshi wanting his free lunch? I thought it was hilarious, I like him 550441;1394157221;dexX7;du dum... Your profile details must be approved by the Administrator before you can become a member of P2P Foundation 550442;1394157266;dexX7;it's much more likely that his account was not hacked and this post is legit, right? 550443;1394157341;diametric;dexX7: sort of. 550444;1394157375;diametric;hacking the account in less than 24 hours to make that single post is unlikely. The hackers sitting on the account for such a moment seems unlikely also. I'm thinking either its the real Satoshi, or the admins of p2pfoundation fucking with everyone. 550445;1394157382;diametric;the last bit is more plausible. 550446;1394157389;dexX7;lol 550447;1394157442;BingoBoingo;Probably the site admins, it isn't signed 550448;1394157455;BingoBoingo;No GPG signature, can't be authentic 550449;1394157471;diametric;Do we have record of his signature? My bitcoin history is bad 550450;1394157638;BingoBoingo;diametric: His public key is out there 550451;1394157655;diametric;happen to have a link? I'd like to have it on hand in case such a message surfaces 550452;1394157694;BingoBoingo;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/pull/79 550453;1394157707;diametric;hmm 550454;1394157712;diametric;even more interesting is the guy that caught it 550455;1394157719;diametric;Mere minutes after the reply was posted 550456;1394157730;BingoBoingo;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/commit/19e0c74df2162d4510db5df9e50d5ac53b38c498 550457;1394157749;diametric;Literally two minutes after "Satoshi" posted, a reddit account surfaced and posted it to /r/bitcoin. 550458;1394157763;diametric;BingoBoingo: cool thanks 550459;1394157783;dexX7;https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/commit/19e0c74df2162d4510db5df9e50d5ac53b38c498 ;) 550460;1394158023;diametric;asciilifeform: So what do you think? 550461;1394158347;MisterE;http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html 550462;1394158347;ozbot;Henry Kissinger: To settle the Ukraine crisis, start at the end - The Washington Post 550463;1394158516;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 35 @ 0.00493748 = 0.1728 BTC [-] {3} 550464;1394158995;Bugpowder;Whee... http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto 550465;1394159004;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26050 @ 0.00087821 = 22.8774 BTC [-] {2} 550466;1394159127;asciilifeform;dexX7, diametric: 'Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32)' 550467;1394159127;asciilifeform;!!! 550468;1394159127;asciilifeform;!!111! 550469;1394159152;kakobreklaa;lol 550470;1394159554;BingoBoingo;;;later tell asciilifeform, well Bitcoin was originally released as a Windows build and source 550471;1394159554;gribble;The operation succeeded. 550472;1394159614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0427 = 0.2562 BTC [-] 550473;1394159782;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 550474;1394159788;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 665.09, vol: 10214.42164297 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 646.755, vol: 5297.68096 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 665.46260657, vol: 6973.2690937 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 663.55, vol: 28.99637523 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 645.71465, vol: 5259.74100000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 670.0829, vol: 7.41631627 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 667.0125, vol: 42.51042954 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 550475;1394159797;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0875 = 0.2625 BTC [+] {3} 550476;1394159799;BingoBoingo;Amazing Drama 550477;1394159818;BingoBoingo;;;lasers 550478;1394159818;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 550479;1394159959;BingoBoingo;.d 550480;1394159959;ozbot;3.816 billion | Next Diff in 1003 blocks | Estimated Change: 6.7063% in 6d 11h 50m 12s 550481;1394159982;BingoBoingo;.bait 550482;1394159983;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/0c619151b340665f0198d0d5aeb34c81/tumblr_mt1wwuGcIo1qb139no1_1280.jpg 550483;1394160102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10125 @ 0.00018799 = 1.9034 BTC [+] {2} 550484;1394160224;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0426 = 0.1704 BTC [-] {4} 550485;1394160285;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.04203929 = 0.9249 BTC [-] {5} 550486;1394160286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07799999 = 0.156 BTC [-] 550487;1394160346;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.042 = 0.294 BTC [-] {2} 550488;1394160956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25813 @ 0.00087705 = 22.6393 BTC [-] {4} 550489;1394161322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00087944 = 2.0227 BTC [+] 550490;1394161573;MisterE;Buy this: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ebaymotors/TU-95MS-Soviet-Bomber-/121288805711?forcev4exp=true 550491;1394161718;Duffer1;i'm surprised Gov has come out against aero but not magicjack... 550492;1394161993;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 545 @ 0.0055 = 2.9975 BTC 550493;1394162176;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02200012 = 0.132 BTC [-] {2} 550494;1394162359;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 79 @ 0.02020405 = 1.5961 BTC [-] {12} 550495;1394163214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 317 @ 0.00327747 = 1.039 BTC [+] {16} 550496;1394163274;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 283 @ 0.00392118 = 1.1097 BTC [+] {8} 550497;1394163335;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07955882 = 0.9547 BTC [+] {4} 550498;1394163457;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00439995 = 0.308 BTC [+] {3} 550499;1394163519;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.0201002 = 0.1608 BTC [+] {3} 550500;1394164189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13690 @ 0.00087929 = 12.0375 BTC [-] 550501;1394164311;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02349962 = 0.235 BTC [+] {4} 550502;1394164799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00087944 = 14.159 BTC [+] 550503;1394165104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC 550504;1394165409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00087794 = 41.2632 BTC [-] {5} 550505;1394165531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.593 BTC [-] 550506;1394165653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 63 @ 0.00409938 = 0.2583 BTC [+] {4} 550507;1394165714;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 36 @ 0.00411732 = 0.1482 BTC [+] {4} 550508;1394165836;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 27 @ 0.04200003 = 1.134 BTC [-] {2} 550509;1394166532;artifexd;.bait 550510;1394166533;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/1310eb7ca6e59f6d833c5da244665384/tumblr_mxlsetQ9F21rr4szko1_500.jpg 550511;1394166751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 280 @ 0.0055 = 1.54 BTC 550512;1394167361;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 550513;1394167917;BingoBoingo;http://gawker.com/alleged-bitcoin-founder-has-no-idea-what-youre-talking-1538365947 550514;1394167918;ozbot;Alleged "Bitcoin Inventor" Has No Idea What You're Talking About 550515;1394168093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07994131 = 0.4796 BTC [+] {3} 550516;1394168154;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07994832 = 0.3997 BTC [+] {2} 550517;1394168459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.079958 = 0.2399 BTC [+] 550518;1394169048;MisterE;Wow, major hack of Sands 550519;1394169053;MisterE;they got all of it 550520;1394169069;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 29 @ 0.0055 = 0.1595 BTC 550521;1394169167;Duffer1;sands? 550522;1394169175;MisterE;yep 550523;1394169203;MisterE;I guess it's out so... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32370105/Sands%20Corp.%20Hacked%20-a73jDCJKN70.mp4 550524;1394169226;Duffer1;oh the casino? 550525;1394169240;MisterE;Duffer1: the largest casino company in the world stores all of its important passes in an xls file 550526;1394169242;MisterE;yea 550527;1394169252;MisterE;watch the vid, total pwnage 550528;1394169256;Duffer1;what could possibly go wrong.... 550529;1394169267;MisterE;haha 550530;1394169343;Duffer1;can they even call that hacking wtf 550531;1394169435;MisterE;yea with policies like that they deserved it 550532;1394169443;MisterE;the video is great 550533;1394169459;Duffer1;omg 550534;1394169463;Duffer1;they got everything 550535;1394169473;MisterE;http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/two-las-vegas-sands-executives-resign 550536;1394169474;ozbot;Two Las Vegas Sands executives resign | Las Vegas Review-Journal 550537;1394169475;MisterE;yep 550538;1394169482;MisterE;told you 550539;1394169801;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00087819 = 11.5043 BTC [+] 550540;1394170289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00087996 = 14.5193 BTC [+] 550541;1394170594;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.079958 = 0.3998 BTC [+] 550542;1394171021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00087817 = 23.1398 BTC [-] 550543;1394171143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00088097 = 36.2079 BTC [+] 550544;1394172485;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00430033 = 0.1075 BTC [-] {3} 550545;1394172546;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 325 @ 0.00429054 = 1.3944 BTC [-] {7} 550546;1394172851;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00429002 = 0.1845 BTC [-] 550547;1394173095;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0055 = 0.22 BTC 550548;1394174132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12213 @ 0.0008814 = 10.7645 BTC [+] {2} 550549;1394174498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00087919 = 18.5509 BTC [-] 550550;1394174803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00087704 = 31.4419 BTC [-] {3} 550551;1394175657;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [+] {2} 550552;1394175718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.04344999 = 0.869 BTC [+] {2} 550553;1394175779;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04366082 = 0.262 BTC [+] {4} 550554;1394176145;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0055 = 0.22 BTC 550555;1394176557;chetty_;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zr5o7/vault_of_satoshi_to_cease_us_operations_starting/ 550556;1394176557;ozbot;Vault of Satoshi to cease US operations starting today : Bitcoin 550557;1394177060;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 866 @ 0.00434999 = 3.7671 BTC [+] {2} 550558;1394177121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.000879 = 27.5127 BTC [+] {2} 550559;1394177487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.0008816 = 8.6838 BTC [+] 550560;1394177732;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6000001 BTC [+] 550561;1394178097;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 354 @ 0.0055 = 1.947 BTC 550562;1394178158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3675 @ 0.00018032 = 0.6627 BTC [-] {7} 550563;1394178463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18284 @ 0.00087714 = 16.0376 BTC [-] 550564;1394178890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00087461 = 2.274 BTC [-] {2} 550565;1394179012;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04346631 = 0.2608 BTC [-] {4} 550566;1394179317;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2046 @ 0.00438022 = 8.9619 BTC [+] {3} 550567;1394179326;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/search?q=%23SucksToBeLeah&src=hash << there's a hash for it now. 550568;1394179707;joecool;mircea_popescu: well she got her 15 minutes of fail 550569;1394179721;mircea_popescu;so she has. 550570;1394179866;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [+] 550571;1394180061;benkay``;i'm drunk you guys but this is great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYSEwwOt_ic&list=PLfLtedKjGtQE7sk5CNWXiDhXsQBqkHFH8 550572;1394180104;benkay``;what ams even bitcoin 550573;1394180295;cazalla;what are you drinking? 550574;1394180401;benkay``;like four beers and half a bottle of merlot through no fault of my own 550575;1394180437;benkay``;except by maybe not enforcing the "no merlot" rule 550576;1394180636;benkay``;oh and nothing any more this is entirely too drunk 550577;1394180758;cazalla;i wouldn't mind a drink but cbf walking to the bottle shop 550578;1394180854;cazalla;i would keep some at home but i end up drinking more 550579;1394181030;MisterE;My god what a depressing 24 hr trend 550580;1394181047;MisterE;bottle shop heh 550581;1394181086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00087389 = 12.2782 BTC [-] 550582;1394181114;MisterE;is it mainly booze they sell or alcohol? I lived in a place where government controlled the same only from their stores for booze but beer & wine normal 550583;1394181136;MisterE;or is it a general convenience store and bottle shop is slang? 550584;1394181574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24392 @ 0.00087367 = 21.3106 BTC [-] {3} 550585;1394181613;bitcoinpete;180 kBTC shuffled... 550586;1394181615;bitcoinpete;https://blockchain.info/tx/4ee89f7cf824a85ad5f11d52604ffdebe9f01302bcea8ddec0af450f9185ddf1 550587;1394181616;ozbot;Bitcoin Transaction 4ee89f7cf824a85ad5f11d52604ffdebe9f01302bcea8ddec0af450f9185ddf1 550588;1394181858;bitcoinpete;cheerio, chaps 550589;1394181861;cazalla;MisterE: bottle shop is aussie slang for liqour store 550590;1394181883;cazalla;liquor even 550591;1394181897;cazalla;and they sell everything 550592;1394181901;cazalla;beer/wine/spirits 550593;1394182244;mircea_popescu;<benkay``> like four beers and half a bottle of merlot through no fault of my own 550594;1394182246;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1697914/plain/) 550595;1394182246;mircea_popescu;!b 1 550596;1394182256;mircea_popescu;you'll regret this in the morning. 550597;1394182403;MisterE;mixing beer and wine hurts 550598;1394182611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41408 @ 0.0008735 = 36.1699 BTC [-] 550599;1394183099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC 550600;1394183221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00439999 = 2.2 BTC [+] {2} 550601;1394183282;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0044 = 0.242 BTC [+] 550602;1394183370;jurov;http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/05/your-porn-is-not-canadian-enough-crtc-warns-erotica-channels/ 550603;1394183370;ozbot;Your porn is not Canadian enough, CRTC warns erotica channels | National Post 550604;1394183377;jurov;go canada :DDD 550605;1394183415;MisterE;canada mandates % of TV and radio programming must be from Canadians 550606;1394183419;MisterE;same with Pron? 550607;1394183770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00087252 = 1.9632 BTC [-] 550608;1394183831;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00439999 = 1.98 BTC [-] {2} 550609;1394184115;jurov;yup. and closed captioning. and "Audio Description" for blind 550610;1394184193;jurov;btw i don't get why studios won't make the audio descriptions. they can easily become extra revenue source 550611;1394184244;jurov;"tired of audio books? reinvigorate your commute with audio porn!" 550612;1394184319;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07995799 = 0.3198 BTC [-] 550613;1394184549;mircea_popescu;^ 550614;1394184556;mircea_popescu;srsly huge market there 550615;1394184560;mircea_popescu;like... all womenz 550616;1394184942;dub__;not enuf moosecock 550617;1394185173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00087459 = 15.2179 BTC [+] {3} 550618;1394185397;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: nakamoto made a post online 550619;1394185612;dub__;<satoshi> lol thats not me guys 550620;1394185722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00087243 = 8.4189 BTC [-] 550621;1394186083;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid on twitter ? 550622;1394186129;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: 9:43 AM DeepSpace http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/forum/topics/bitcoin-open-source?commentId=2003008%3AComment%3A52407&xg_source=activity 550623;1394186157;mircea_popescu;2009 ? 550624;1394186178;mircea_popescu;kinda ancient history this neh ? 550625;1394186184;wao-ender;looks on comment 550626;1394186191;wao-ender;look on comments 550627;1394186216;mircea_popescu;a. sure. 550628;1394186353;chetty_;I heard they were checking to see if it had been hacked 550629;1394186358;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/441875450508615680 550630;1394186358;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/lEJk66JBsk Satoshi ... 550631;1394186359;mircea_popescu;all better. 550632;1394186962;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: lol @ ancient history 550633;1394186976;mircea_popescu;:p 550634;1394187057;CheckDavid;Dumb whore? 550635;1394187074;mircea_popescu;yes. 550636;1394187099;mircea_popescu;that's what the man said : "you, leah whatever, are a dumb whore". 550637;1394187303;CheckDavid;Lol 550638;1394187333;CheckDavid;Satoshi IS LEAH.!!!!!! 550639;1394187334;mircea_popescu;why, what's your translation? 550640;1394187340;CheckDavid;Mystery solved 550641;1394187370;CheckDavid;Translation? Was it in Japanese or something? 550642;1394187374;mircea_popescu;wait, there was a mystery ? 550643;1394187378;CheckDavid;I don't see that comment 550644;1394187388;CheckDavid;Yeah 550645;1394187397;CheckDavid;The mystery is who is satoshi 550646;1394187406;mircea_popescu;well obviously we're either not on the same page or perhaps not speaking the same language. 550647;1394187415;mircea_popescu;anyway 550648;1394187481;CheckDavid;Well mircea_popescu I am in March 7 2004 550649;1394187486;mircea_popescu;$vwap s.mpoe 550650;1394187487;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00087493 high: 0.0008816 low: 0.00083646 volume: 674676 btc: 590.29548549 7 day: average: 0.00084479 high: 0.0008816 low: 0.000745 volume: 6778439 btc: 5726.37743966 30 day: average: 0.00086403 high: 0.00093862 low: 0.000745 volume: 29439734 btc: 25436.7489573 550651;1394187497;mircea_popescu;o you gotta be shitting me 550652;1394187500;CheckDavid;I suppose you are in 2009? 550653;1394187503;CheckDavid;Lol 550654;1394187519;CheckDavid;*2014 550655;1394187521;CheckDavid;Lol 550656;1394187523;*;mircea_popescu waves 550657;1394187534;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid listen, did you follow the twitter link ? 550658;1394187542;CheckDavid;Yes 550659;1394187556;CheckDavid;Only found the 3 most recent comments 550660;1394187573;mircea_popescu;and the most recent one is since when ? 550661;1394187603;mircea_popescu;something like ""I am not Dorian Nakamoto." 550662;1394187603;mircea_popescu;Satoshi Nakamoto replied 9 hours ago to Bitcoin open source implementation of P2P currency" 550663;1394187604;CheckDavid;Satoshi Nakamoto replied 9 hours ago t 550664;1394187605;mircea_popescu;? 550665;1394187608;mircea_popescu;right. 550666;1394187620;mircea_popescu;so what do the words "I am not Dorian Nakamoto." mean ? 550667;1394187654;CheckDavid;You going rhetorics on me or you genuinely asking? 550668;1394187659;mircea_popescu;i am genuinely asking. 550669;1394187669;CheckDavid;They found some guy called Dorian nakamoto 550670;1394187669;mircea_popescu;to me they mean "Leah whatever is a dumb [attention]whore." 550671;1394187676;CheckDavid;And they stalked him 550672;1394187678;mircea_popescu;what do they mean to you ? 550673;1394187687;CheckDavid;And said he was the inventor of btc 550674;1394187697;mircea_popescu;this is a fast crowd, try to keep up. 550675;1394187718;CheckDavid;Lol mircea_popescu is that some trolling? 550676;1394187734;mircea_popescu;i haven't established that yet. i suspect you're just being naive ? 550677;1394187737;mircea_popescu;why, were you trolling ? 550678;1394187747;CheckDavid;No 550679;1394187753;mircea_popescu;aite. 550680;1394187763;CheckDavid;I really don't get the whore part :p 550681;1394187771;mircea_popescu;what's a whore ? 550682;1394187790;CheckDavid;A professional 550683;1394187816;mircea_popescu;well if that's your definition, the statement is uncontroversial. i suspect even the anon whore herself would say she's "a professional" 550684;1394187836;CheckDavid;A professional sex worker 550685;1394187847;mircea_popescu;but no. a whore is one who does for money that which is to be done on faith. 550686;1394187857;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00087424 = 31.2978 BTC [+] 550687;1394187859;CheckDavid;Lulz 550688;1394187861;mircea_popescu;which is exactly what she did : made some untrue statements not because she believed them, 550689;1394187866;mircea_popescu;but because she wanted the attention. 550690;1394187869;mircea_popescu;that's a whore. 550691;1394187889;CheckDavid;And who is her/Leah ? 550692;1394187917;mircea_popescu;some random chick who thinks she's a "freelance journalist" doing "investigations" 550693;1394187949;CheckDavid;So she is the one who started the Dorian thing I guess 550694;1394187962;mircea_popescu;right. 550695;1394187981;chetty_;Yeah published pictures of the poor guy, with his address etc. 550696;1394187986;CheckDavid;I just didn't know that 550697;1394187996;B007;CheckDavid: Leah McGrath Goodman 550698;1394187998;mircea_popescu;so now you do :) 550699;1394188031;CheckDavid;Thanks for filling me with your pure and warm knowledge sir 550700;1394188041;mircea_popescu;lol don't take it to heart 550701;1394188057;CheckDavid;lulz 550702;1394188100;CheckDavid;You were playing rhetorics on me you liar 550703;1394188130;mircea_popescu;not *exactly* 550704;1394188151;mircea_popescu;it was a genuine question, just, not in the obvious context. 550705;1394188153;CheckDavid;Oh ok 550706;1394188225;mircea_popescu;anyway, let it be put in the permanent record that translation efforts are the best way to practically resolve differences of opinion. 550707;1394188345;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33939 @ 0.00087521 = 29.7038 BTC [+] {2} 550708;1394188406;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 62 @ 0.0055 = 0.341 BTC 550709;1394188801;mircea_popescu;mike_c: no way. there is extensive lexical analysis proving mp is satoshi. << fu, i'm not satoshi. 550710;1394188866;B007;better hire more private security 550711;1394188880;mircea_popescu;cads: oh yeah, I am an idiot << what's worse, you don't pay enough attention reading the logs http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2014#549739 550712;1394188928;mircea_popescu;cads: once you buy that this could be possible the rest of the article does down like a glass of water :) <<< there's a guy who's legally named that that's been trying to convince the world of his relevancy for i dunno, like a year ? 550713;1394188947;mircea_popescu;what's so hard to buy about it, any search in the registry yields like a dozen of them 550714;1394189090;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: I took note of that 550715;1394189116;CheckDavid;In the future I will consult you regarding that matter. 550716;1394189142;mircea_popescu;all these undefined antecedents. what are we talkin' aboot ? 550717;1394189201;cazalla;small asian guy orders trains from England and chooses the name Dorian, anyone guess why? 550718;1394189220;mircea_popescu;because of stan's quote ? 550719;1394189238;cazalla;which was? 550720;1394189250;mircea_popescu;;;later btclovernick waitwhat ?! 550721;1394189251;gribble;Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "btclovernick" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin. 550722;1394189256;mircea_popescu;;;later tell btclovernick waitwhat ?! 550723;1394189256;gribble;The operation succeeded. 550724;1394189261;cazalla;i'm guessing he is a fan of bodybuilding 550725;1394189266;mircea_popescu;cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2014#550392 550726;1394189354;cazalla;i'm drunk but drunk or sober, i don't see the connection 550727;1394189370;mircea_popescu;diametric asciilifeform mid 2010. 550728;1394189389;mircea_popescu;cazalla ok, so what's your guess as to why ? 550729;1394189420;cazalla;mircea_popescu: because he is a fan of bodybuilding and dorian nakamoto was a much younger man during the prime of dorian yates 550730;1394189478;mircea_popescu;i guess that's a thought. 550731;1394189491;cazalla;or perhaps i am biased as i use to follow it 550732;1394189516;mircea_popescu;yeah, i dunno who even knows body builders by name 550733;1394189528;mircea_popescu;it's almost as if you were eccentric enough to baptise sticks of salami 550734;1394189559;cazalla;do you even lift? 550735;1394189571;cazalla;i use to, followed it during my early 20s 550736;1394189572;mircea_popescu;i ocasionally lift a finger 550737;1394189633;mircea_popescu;lol re mistere's http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2014#550523 : who was derping at me about how big casinos etc ? 550738;1394189662;mircea_popescu;"Feb 28 12:48:43 <wbaw>should have faster service instead of acting like you're not trying to compete with huge companies with customer support teams" 550739;1394189691;mircea_popescu;total fucking win, that shit. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2014#537710 550740;1394190040;mircea_popescu;There is an investment postscript in our textile saga. Some investors weight book value heavily in their stock-buying decisions (as I, in my early years, did myself). And some economists and academicians believe replacement values are of considerable importance in calculating an appropriate price level for the stock market as a whole. Those of both persuasions would have received an education at the auction we held 550741;1394190040;mircea_popescu;in early 1986 to dispose of our textile machinery. 550742;1394190040;mircea_popescu;The equipment sold (including some disposed of in the few months prior to the auction) took up about 750,000 square feet of factory space in New Bedford and was eminently usable. It originally cost us about $13 million, including $2 million spent in 1980-84, and had a current book value of $866,000 (after accelerated depreciation). Though no sane management would have made the investment, the equipment could hav 550743;1394190044;mircea_popescu;e been replaced new for perhaps $30-$50 million. 550744;1394190046;mircea_popescu;Gross proceeds from our sale of this equipment came to $163,122. Allowing for necessary pre- and post-sale costs, our net was less than zero. Relatively modern looms that we bought for $5,000 apiece in 1981 found no takers at $50. We finally sold them for scrap at $26 each, a sum less than removal costs. 550745;1394190050;cazalla;does your older content translate to english well mircea_popescu? 550746;1394190050;mircea_popescu;who said ? 550747;1394190053;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+] 550748;1394190095;mircea_popescu;nope. 550749;1394190246;mircea_popescu;"Ponder this: the economic goodwill attributable to two paper routes in Buffalo - or a single Sees candy store - considerably exceeds the proceeds we received from this massive collection of tangible assets that not too many years ago, under different competitive conditions, was able to employ over 1,000 people." 550750;1394190907;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.042 = 1.05 BTC [-] {3} 550751;1394190968;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0055 = 1.1 BTC 550752;1394191090;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00087193 = 21.929 BTC [-] {2} 550753;1394192066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00087148 = 38.7809 BTC [-] 550754;1394192249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08650006 = 0.2595 BTC [-] {2} 550755;1394192250;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 219 @ 0.00416776 = 0.9127 BTC [-] {6} 550756;1394192371;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC 550757;1394192737;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.079958 = 0.1599 BTC [+] 550758;1394192920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00087146 = 12.3747 BTC [-] {2} 550759;1394193810;wao-ender;lal, great thiefs in jewelery, w/o any alarm http://www.novinky.cz/krimi/329653-zlodej-predvedl-kouzelnicky-trik-pri-nemz-pripravil-obchod-o-zlato-za-100-tisic.html 550760;1394193896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.079958 = 0.2399 BTC [+] 550761;1394194091;cazalla;reminds me of the MPOE-PR wannabes are otw post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=495497.0 550762;1394194134;cazalla;who would've thought phinnaeus gage would be calling people niggers 550763;1394194201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00087636 = 18.7979 BTC [+] 550764;1394195092;jurov;!t m s.mpoe 550765;1394195092;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00086722 / 0.00087527 / 0.0008816 (835251 shares, 731.08 BTC), 7D: 0.000745 / 0.00084538 / 0.0008816 (6907341 shares, 5,839.36 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00086404 / 0.00093862 (29596923 shares, 25,572.94 BTC) 550766;1394195096;jurov;!t m s.bbet 550767;1394195096;assbot;[MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0005 / 0.0005 / 0.0005 (70 shares, 0.04 BTC), 30D: 0.0005 / 0.000616 / 0.00077 (22069 shares, 13.59 BTC) 550768;1394195259;deadweasel;lol@phinnaeus gage. cazella, I could hear the seething in his post. i'm not sure how niggers have anyting to do with it. In fact, his stupid fucking sister shold not have got knocked up by said drug-addled nigger... but of course they take no responsibility 550769;1394195279;deadweasel;it's just people, stupid people. 550770;1394195604;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.08 = 2.64 BTC [+] {2} 550771;1394196763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC 550772;1394197739;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47650 @ 0.00087636 = 41.7586 BTC [+] 550773;1394197766;Diablo-D3;[07:27:57] <deadweasel> lol@phinnaeus gage. cazella, I could hear the seething in his post. i'm not sure how niggers have anyting to do with it. In fact, his stupid fucking sister shold not have got knocked up by said drug-addled nigger... but of course they take no responsibility 550774;1394197773;Diablo-D3;well, I'll tell you this 550775;1394197777;Diablo-D3;the most true thing in the world 550776;1394197784;Diablo-D3;you don't have to be black to be a nigger. 550777;1394197852;deadweasel;no doubt, but using nigger to call someone ignorant... is ignorant. 550778;1394198288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00087685 = 19.4661 BTC [+] {2} 550779;1394198635;cazalla;i know that but nigger wasn't really the point, it was said we would see a bunch of MPOE-PR facsimiles and what do you know, phinny is spouting at the mouth 550780;1394198778;deadweasel;ah, i see your point. 550781;1394198823;deadweasel;i appreciate an MP insult though, so a poor facsimiles at best, which you probably said. 550782;1394199440;twizt;hi 550783;1394199577;deadweasel;hello twizt 550784;1394199728;cazalla;i wish benkay` didn't mention alcohol, this hang over tomorrow is going to be awful :\ 550785;1394199752;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 231 @ 0.00438469 = 1.0129 BTC [+] {6} 550786;1394199754;deadweasel;you get hangovers from the mere mention of alcohol? 550787;1394199768;cazalla;no no, i ended up going to the bottlo' and getting some port 550788;1394199883;Neil;I feel sorry for random dude in California. Not first; won't be the last. 550789;1394199948;deadweasel;ditto 550790;1394200057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21577 @ 0.00087743 = 18.9323 BTC [+] {2} 550791;1394200606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26333 @ 0.00087804 = 23.1214 BTC [+] {2} 550792;1394201034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17078 @ 0.00087751 = 14.9861 BTC [-] 550793;1394201460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19348 @ 0.00087751 = 16.9781 BTC [-] 550794;1394201887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00087628 = 21.2498 BTC [-] {2} 550795;1394203168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00087288 = 23.2186 BTC [-] 550796;1394203473;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.00480052 = 0.12 BTC [-] {3} 550797;1394203534;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 29 @ 0.00481356 = 0.1396 BTC [+] {2} 550798;1394203588;the20year1;RENT IPO completes today, 550799;1394204083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13936 @ 0.00087514 = 12.196 BTC [+] {2} 550800;1394204510;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0055 = 0.2475 BTC 550801;1394204573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00087987 = 8.2268 BTC [+] 550802;1394204876;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC 550803;1394204998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0865 = 1.2975 BTC [-] {2} 550804;1394206279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.00489828 = 0.1225 BTC [+] 550805;1394207621;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41707 @ 0.00088293 = 36.8244 BTC [+] {4} 550806;1394207743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08199 = 0.164 BTC [-] 550807;1394207865;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 205 @ 0.00419 = 0.859 BTC [-] {2} 550808;1394207866;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20055 @ 0.0055 = 110.3025 BTC 550809;1394208293;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0819999 = 0.574 BTC [+] 550810;1394208780;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2317 @ 0.00088541 = 2.0515 BTC [+] 550811;1394208837;the20year2;We have now fully funded via havelock 550812;1394209024;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00419 = 0.1718 BTC [-] 550813;1394209069;ThickAsThieves;grats 550814;1394209133;mike_c;!t h rent 550815;1394209134;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (24672 shares, 135.69600000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (35663 shares, 196.14650000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (78534 shares, 431.93700000 BTC) 550816;1394209155;mike_c;somebody bought 130 btc worth recently? wow. 550817;1394209183;pLambert;expecting it to have a post-IPO jump? 550818;1394209223;mike_c;um, so somebody bought 20000 shares 10 minutes ago? when the ipo was just due to close? 550819;1394209232;mike_c;that is.. odd. 550820;1394209361;MisterE;checking out gekko now 550821;1394209620;benkay;!l h rent 550822;1394209620;assbot;It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money. 550823;1394209628;benkay;!h 550824;1394209628;assbot;List of commands: 550825;1394209629;assbot;!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} 550826;1394209630;assbot;!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} 550827;1394209631;assbot;!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) 550828;1394209632;assbot;!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} 550829;1394209633;assbot;!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} 550830;1394209634;assbot;!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com) 550831;1394209635;assbot;!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b} 550832;1394209636;assbot;!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} 550833;1394209640;benkay;!last havelock rent 550834;1394209640;assbot;Your actions are useless. 550835;1394209669;mike_c;benkay: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2014#550808 550836;1394209698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00088346 = 16.609 BTC [-] {2} 550837;1394209717;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu ah, it ain't so bad :) 550838;1394209717;gribble;The operation succeeded. 550839;1394209736;benkay;self trading begins? 550840;1394209740;benkay;mike_c: ^^ 550841;1394209778;mike_c;it is certainly a weird transaction. 550842;1394209791;benkay;i'm sure crazy demand to participate in the rent ipo's brought havelock down or something 550843;1394209859;benkay;har har har havelock totally unreachable 550844;1394209878;topace;?? 550845;1394209887;topace;!ticker h rent 550846;1394209888;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (24672 shares, 135.69600000 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (35663 shares, 196.14650000 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.0055 / 0.00550000 (78534 shares, 431.93700000 BTC) 550847;1394209910;topace;havelocks fine 550848;1394209930;benkay;i was getting cloudflare. 550849;1394209942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14381 @ 0.00088541 = 12.7331 BTC [+] 550850;1394209976;ThickAsThieves;havelock still seems to freeze up regularly 550851;1394209986;ThickAsThieves;been that way for mos 550852;1394210045;benkay;topace, the20year2: when does actual trading begin? 550853;1394210078;benkay;bell's typically at six am, right? 550854;1394210142;benkay;typically/traditionally... 550855;1394210158;pLambert;havelock seems to like 1pm EST 550856;1394210354;ThickAsThieves;it's 6am somewhere 550857;1394210408;topace;trading is open now 550858;1394210410;topace;for RENT 550859;1394210417;topace;it should have opened automatically 550860;1394210424;topace;im investigating that now 550861;1394210430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16833 @ 0.00088204 = 14.8474 BTC [-] 550862;1394210450;mike_c;so 10 minutes before trading opens the remaining 25% of the ipo is suddenly eaten up in one trade. please. 550863;1394210468;ThickAsThieves;it's not THAT absurd 550864;1394210475;ThickAsThieves;there's was a rush when Neo closed too 550865;1394210491;the20year2;Due to close, i have no clue who it is, but he had bought quite a few shares early in the IPO 550866;1394210506;the20year2;Self trading begins at 1pm EST 550867;1394210521;the20year2;Topace are you with HL? 550868;1394210528;ThickAsThieves;hehe 550869;1394210530;mike_c;topace is HL 550870;1394210533;ThickAsThieves;he's that guy that made it 550871;1394210535;the20year2;I didn't realize it 550872;1394210538;topace;i USED to be 550873;1394210549;topace;im not involved in its day to day operations any longer 550874;1394210553;topace;but im still involved on the technical side 550875;1394210555;the20year2;Did the panama fund retain you then? 550876;1394210562;topace;yes 550877;1394210569;the20year2;Interesting 550878;1394210573;topace;for software development/technical purposes 550879;1394210665;benkay;wat lolwut how do you have any idea who that purchaser is, the20year2 550880;1394210674;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16367 @ 0.00088204 = 14.4363 BTC [-] 550881;1394210686;benkay;is there a magic havelock backend panel showing who's bought what? 550882;1394210693;ThickAsThieves;only for issued shares 550883;1394210699;mike_c;i'm sure he gets a shareholder list 550884;1394210701;topace;fund managers can see who owns their shares, yes 550885;1394210709;the20year2;benkay: i have an email and that's it 550886;1394210717;ThickAsThieves;you can't see who does day-to-day trades though 550887;1394210733;the20year2;Technically i could if i scraped the list and used it to compile hte data 550888;1394210738;the20year2;we did it for bitfunder 550889;1394210784;ThickAsThieves;you'd need to do so after every trade to be accurate, but yeah i guess so 550890;1394210979;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00088271 = 29.8356 BTC [+] {2} 550891;1394211162;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08648995 = 0.173 BTC [-] {2} 550892;1394211430;benkay;in other news the babe uninstalled the facebook app from her phone yesterday 550893;1394211435;benkay;UNPRECEDENTED 550894;1394211456;benkay;one does not simply uninstall an app! 550895;1394211488;benkay;plus they bought a drone company or something hilaribad? 550896;1394211589;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.37038703 BTC to 3`597 shares, 65899 satoshi per share 550897;1394212016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62000 @ 0.00088592 = 54.927 BTC [+] {4} 550898;1394212443;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30943 @ 0.00087935 = 27.2097 BTC [-] {4} 550899;1394212748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6882 @ 0.00087869 = 6.0471 BTC [-] 550900;1394212870;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.00858695 = 0.1975 BTC [+] {4} 550901;1394212909;the20year2;Nearly double IPI price 550902;1394212913;the20year2;*IPO price 550903;1394213541;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.00414979 = 0.4772 BTC [-] {8} 550904;1394213663;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00599 = 0.4972 BTC [-] {2} 550905;1394214517;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07960002 = 0.1592 BTC [-] 550906;1394214518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48268 @ 0.00087689 = 42.3257 BTC [-] {2} 550907;1394215615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.08500718 = 0.5951 BTC [-] {3} 550908;1394215616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.0008865 = 8.5104 BTC [+] 550909;1394216347;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.615 BTC [+] 550910;1394216408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61111111 = 1.8333 BTC [-] 550911;1394216469;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6111 BTC [-] 550912;1394216485;asciilifeform;http://www.newsweek.com/newsweeks-statement-bitcoin-story-231242?piano_t=1 550913;1394216486;ozbot;Newsweek's Statement on the Bitcoin Story 550914;1394216491;asciilifeform;loltron 550915;1394216531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 77 @ 0.00601 = 0.4628 BTC [-] {3} 550916;1394216532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6101 BTC [-] 550917;1394216652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 17 @ 0.0082 = 0.1394 BTC [+] {3} 550918;1394216836;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 75 @ 0.0082 = 0.615 BTC [-] 550919;1394216837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08207491 = 0.3283 BTC [+] {3} 550920;1394216957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00088304 = 10.0667 BTC [-] 550921;1394217018;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0082 = 0.246 BTC [-] 550922;1394217140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0082 = 0.41 BTC [-] 550923;1394217143;BingoBoingo;For the person who doesn't have everything and wants to make sure noone else can have everything either http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/for-sale-on-ebay-one-lightly-used-soviet-bear-bomber-low-mileage/ 550924;1394217344;the20year2;I wonder if we could use investor money on that 550925;1394217385;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0082 = 1.64 BTC [-] 550926;1394217512;BingoBoingo;the20year2: What is your plan? Destroy the rental housing you can't buy? 550927;1394217531;BingoBoingo;I mean it's Ohio, that might be an improvement. 550928;1394217538;the20year2;i want to take over togo 550929;1394217567;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0082 = 0.369 BTC [-] 550930;1394217629;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.08327993 = 0.583 BTC [+] {3} 550931;1394217689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08432877 = 0.253 BTC [+] 550932;1394217812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27850 @ 0.00088541 = 24.6587 BTC [+] 550933;1394218294;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1468 550934;1394218295;ozbot;Loper OS » Comrade Ogilvy Nakamoto. 550935;1394218360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17126 @ 0.00088324 = 15.1264 BTC [-] {2} 550936;1394218507;benkay;"Ms. Goodman’s research was conducted under the same high editorial and ethical standards that have guided Newsweek for more than 80 years. " 550937;1394219336;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0062009 = 0.9301 BTC [-] {4} 550938;1394219763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62498956 BTC [+] 550939;1394219824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62748478 = 1.255 BTC [+] {2} 550940;1394219885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62999666 = 1.89 BTC [+] {2} 550941;1394219946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 79 @ 0.00618614 = 0.4887 BTC [-] {6} 550942;1394220029;ThickAsThieves;BFL "Unfortunately to go with the good news is the announcement of a 4 week delay as of today's date." 550943;1394220120;topace;indeed 550944;1394220124;topace;BUT BUT BUT 550945;1394220133;topace;if yo upaid $4k/monarch, you now get a "imperial monarch" 550946;1394220136;topace;at 1TH instead of 600GH 550947;1394220148;topace;and if it takes longer than 6 month from order date, you get a SECOND monarch FREE! 550948;1394220177;topace;meanwhile, knc miner has only just done tapeout 550949;1394220190;topace;so its at least 2 months still from shipping 550950;1394220251;jborkl;topace, I talked to Josh in person at the convention. He cleared the 6 month thing up for me 550951;1394220263;BingoBoingo;So who's currently the leading least dishonest ASIC manufacterer? Bitfury? 550952;1394220312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00561 = 0.561 BTC [-] 550953;1394220313;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 333 @ 0.0041404 = 1.3788 BTC [-] {6} 550954;1394220695;ThickAsThieves;or Asicminer, arguably 550955;1394220983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13874 @ 0.00088052 = 12.2163 BTC [-] {2} 550956;1394221013;topace;heh has their been any more gen2/3 news from asicminer lately? 550957;1394221044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17489 @ 0.00088605 = 15.4961 BTC [+] {2} 550958;1394221085;ThickAsThieves;just a sorta feel that they'll have news this month 550959;1394221088;ThickAsThieves;i'm out of the loop now 550960;1394221100;jborkl;http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/ 550961;1394221103;ozbot;The Two-Bit Idiot 550962;1394221374;ThickAsThieves;"The Foundation never once warned Bitcoin investors about keeping deposits in Mt. Gox, despite clear red flags dating back to at least April 2013. Nor did the Foundation craft or advocate for best practices such as technical transparency, deposit audits, or appropriate consumer protection disclosures. This was a colossal failure of leadership." 550963;1394221388;ThickAsThieves;"To Peter, Jon and their supporters: You have 72 hours." (to resign) 550964;1394221407;kakobreklaa;OR ELSE !!! 550965;1394221418;ThickAsThieves;he's gonna go nukula! 550966;1394221422;thestringpuller;Why hasn't the Yakuza beat him up yet? 550967;1394221433;thestringpuller;Don't you have to pay Yakuza protection money anyways to even start a business in Japan? 550968;1394221528;benkay;reason 5467 to run gox from Japan. 550969;1394221551;mike_c;how the fuck is anyone supposed to find a sha256 hash with 16 leading zeros? bitcoin mining is absurd. 550970;1394221611;asciilifeform;mike_c: it's all a massively-distributed nsa 'canary' for 'is sha pre-image crackable yet' dontcha know. 550971;1394221634;mike_c;it really blows the mind when you look at it. 550972;1394221669;asciilifeform;maybe blows somebody's, mine was already blown ages ago by other things. 550973;1394221716;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00417126 = 0.2503 BTC [-] {4} 550974;1394222081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5759 @ 0.00087739 = 5.0529 BTC [-] 550975;1394222630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00087275 = 28.9753 BTC [-] {2} 550976;1394222723;dexX7_;why does he think the foundation shall be responsible or in duty in the first place? 550977;1394222813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 34.17754010 BTC to 80`674 shares, 42365 satoshi per share 550978;1394222958;Mats_cd03;http://vixandmore.blogspot.com/2013/06/all-about-pullback-from-spx-1687.html 550979;1394222959;ozbot;VIX and More: All About the Pullback from SPX 1687 550980;1394222970;Mats_cd03;recommended reading 550981;1394223241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00087172 = 15.3859 BTC [-] {2} 550982;1394223363;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.08004391 = 3.2018 BTC [-] {5} 550983;1394223423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0800332 = 1.6007 BTC [-] {3} 550984;1394224277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00087306 = 16.7628 BTC [+] {2} 550985;1394224504;BingoBoingo;Suggested research topic: Did Tito kill Stalin? 550986;1394224520;nubbins`;mircea_popescu and other interested parties: http://imgur.com/z1aaEmm 550987;1394224522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.08200001 = 0.41 BTC [-] 550988;1394224530;nubbins`;hot curry on the left, mild italian on the right 550989;1394224574;*;asciilifeform dusts off chronoscope... 550990;1394224643;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.00647998 = 0.1296 BTC [+] {3} 550991;1394224644;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 197 @ 0.00429974 = 0.847 BTC [+] {5} 550992;1394224765;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 31 @ 0.00647979 = 0.2009 BTC [-] 550993;1394224887;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0068 = 0.204 BTC [+] 550994;1394224905;nubbins`;haven't made curry sausages before, curious to try some 550995;1394224949;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15603 @ 0.00087419 = 13.64 BTC [+] {2} 550996;1394225131;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.61000021 = 3.05 BTC [-] {3} 550997;1394225192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.04389991 = 1.317 BTC [+] {3} 550998;1394225212;jurov;nubbins`: do you sell them for bitcoins? 550999;1394225228;nubbins`;nah, wouldn't survive shipping 551000;1394225253;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 35 @ 0.04399996 = 1.54 BTC [+] {3} 551001;1394225314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04399998 = 0.176 BTC [+] 551002;1394225437;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0831 = 0.4986 BTC [-] {2} 551003;1394226046;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.044 = 0.176 BTC [+] 551004;1394226334;benkay;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:38225b734771f5785a983b985405ade56f387a93a7ea6ede4014820b 551005;1394226334;benkay; 551006;1394226335;gribble;You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7 551007;1394226547;dub;nice sausage nubbins` 551008;1394226684;asciilifeform;http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/technology/sns-wp-blm-news-bc-drones07-20140307,0,5815395.story 551009;1394226684;ozbot;More commercial drone flying seen as judge rejects U.S. fine - chicagotribune.com 551010;1394227083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.044 = 0.616 BTC [+] 551011;1394227144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.044 = 0.264 BTC [+] 551012;1394227309;nubbins`;tyvm! 551013;1394227453;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1468 551014;1394227453;gribble;The operation succeeded. 551015;1394228060;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02010002 = 0.201 BTC [-] {3} 551016;1394228120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.0042004 = 0.168 BTC [-] {3} 551017;1394228182;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 26 @ 0.00665 = 0.1729 BTC [-] 551018;1394228608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00087535 = 43.7675 BTC [+] {2} 551019;1394228791;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00589999 = 0.118 BTC [+] {2} 551020;1394228991;ThickAsThieves;Shrem calling Bloomberg TV about Newsweek/Leah http://www.bloomberg.com/video/newsweek-didn-t-find-bitcoin-creator-shrem-P1E_U7xDSmyJDRgwfy_Maw.html 551021;1394229035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00087835 = 23.1884 BTC [+] {2} 551022;1394229057;thestringpuller;Isn't Shrem facing 20 years? 551023;1394229069;thestringpuller;why the fuck hasn't he bailed on this country yet... 551024;1394229085;nubbins`;they probably made him surrender his passport 551025;1394229422;ThickAsThieves;i'd rather have shrem jesusing than taaki at least 551026;1394229433;thestringpuller;lol taaki......... 551027;1394229436;thestringpuller;is he still 551028;1394229438;thestringpuller;like 551029;1394229441;thestringpuller;existing? 551030;1394229471;ThickAsThieves;he only exists when RT needs him 551031;1394229559;KRS-One;http://i.imgur.com/aYl2eRn.png 551032;1394229561;KRS-One;lmao wut 551033;1394229592;KRS-One;.bait 551034;1394229594;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2ntuuflwB1qisy1jo1_500.jpg 551035;1394229601;KRS-One;woofuh 551036;1394229625;ThickAsThieves;last time that happened this chan sprung to pay for it 551037;1394229628;ThickAsThieves;and it was fake 551038;1394229634;diametric;http://pastebin.com/mzkfW20u 551039;1394229641;diametric;oh wait 551040;1394229643;diametric;image was linked already 551041;1394229667;diametric;lol "personal details for almost all Bitcoin users. " 551042;1394229950;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27939 @ 0.00087855 = 24.5458 BTC [+] 551043;1394230438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00088105 = 16.3435 BTC [+] 551044;1394230798;gecko_x2;ok 551045;1394230810;gecko_x2;who's got the number to interpol 551046;1394230835;gecko_x2;who's behind that pastebin crap 551047;1394230944;gecko_x2;is there a bitcointalk thread yet? 551048;1394230986;gecko_x2;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498371.0 551049;1394230987;ozbot;MtGox Transaction SQL Database Possibly Leaked? 551050;1394231536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7829 @ 0.00088044 = 6.893 BTC [-] 551051;1394231696;Jejune;Word 551052;1394231719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27865 @ 0.00087972 = 24.5134 BTC [-] {3} 551053;1394231963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.08056804 = 0.4028 BTC [-] {3} 551054;1394232021;gecko_x2;Nanashi is ~Nanashi@unaffiliated/nanashi * ... 551055;1394232021;gecko_x2;Nanashi using orwell.freenode.net NL 551056;1394232021;gecko_x2;Nanashi has been idle 16hrs 58mins 19secs, signed on Fri Mar 07 05:03:44 551057;1394232021;gecko_x2;Nanashi is logged in as Nanashi 551058;1394232021;gecko_x2;nanashi End of /WHOIS list. 551059;1394232329;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.0059 = 0.2832 BTC [+] 551060;1394232573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 316 @ 0.00413556 = 1.3068 BTC [-] {5} 551061;1394232635;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6100001 BTC [-] 551062;1394232637;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 64 @ 0.0059 = 0.3776 BTC [-] {2} 551063;1394232756;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00087378 = 18.1746 BTC [-] 551064;1394233206;mircea_popescu;lol asciilifeform it's not as easy as you tihnk. the "humanities" undergrad has been trained for ~16 years to apply recipes, like he were a woman cooking. 551065;1394233219;mircea_popescu;that's it, that's what it's gonna be, it's not changing. 551066;1394233238;asciilifeform;what's not easy? damn i forgot - did i say something 551067;1394233239;mircea_popescu;alinsky or ushinski, it's gonna be followed. 551068;1394233246;asciilifeform;aha 551069;1394233247;mircea_popescu;yeah your latest blogpost 551070;1394233250;asciilifeform;ahaha 551071;1394233270;mircea_popescu;who here read k. ushinski in their childhood incidentally ? 551072;1394233275;*;asciilifeform spent 4 hrs. picking out a new scope, brainfrizz 551073;1394233288;mircea_popescu;if memory serves he was from odessa. 551074;1394233310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13421 @ 0.00087705 = 11.7709 BTC [+] 551075;1394233326;asciilifeform;i only read his tales 551076;1394233348;asciilifeform;a metric fuckton of people were from odessa. 551077;1394233363;asciilifeform;some of them even known in america. george gamow, etc 551078;1394233388;mircea_popescu;http://images5.okr.ro/serve/auctions.v7/2013/jul/06/87849406d784baa58358b394f4a45400-4957347-300_300.jpg 551079;1394233413;asciilifeform;wtf i think mine had the same pic on the cover 551080;1394233420;mircea_popescu;http://i48.tinypic.com/vopd9f.jpg 551081;1394233420;mircea_popescu;etc 551082;1394233475;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: trained for ~16 years to apply recipes << we call this Biorobot 551083;1394233487;asciilifeform;биоробот 551084;1394233492;mircea_popescu;call it leah, it's shorter 551085;1394233493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00087705 = 4.2098 BTC [+] 551086;1394233527;asciilifeform;it's a beautiful name, and that girl made it sad. 551087;1394233583;mircea_popescu;i nver cared much for it, but then again... 551088;1394233703;asciilifeform;биоробот generally described the chinese girls who'll be fitting the non-SMT parts on the boards 551089;1394233709;asciilifeform;but also our friend L 551090;1394233780;mircea_popescu;lol newsweek made a statement ? 551091;1394233789;asciilifeform;biorobot is like a human, but has a programmable little something instead of central nervous system... 551092;1394233796;mircea_popescu;" has generated an immense amount of international attention, including denials from Mr. Nakamoto, criticism of Ms. Goodmans reporting and ad hominem attacks on her character." 551093;1394233798;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [-] 551094;1394233799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00087118 = 38.724 BTC [-] {3} 551095;1394233801;mircea_popescu;nobody cared and we got fucked in the ass. 551096;1394233803;mircea_popescu;it hurts. 551097;1394233803;asciilifeform;yeah that one 551098;1394233826;asciilifeform;hey, 'wash. post' survived jayson blair 551099;1394233831;asciilifeform;nooseweak will chug on 551100;1394233910;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/442075143154991104 551101;1394233911;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @Newsweek Your editorial ... 551102;1394233914;mircea_popescu;let's keep the pressure up then 551103;1394234109;mircea_popescu;mike_c prepare for 47 zeros 551104;1394234156;mike_c;well, i've got some time. all the asic companies are delaying shipments. 551105;1394234212;mircea_popescu;indeed. 551106;1394234250;mircea_popescu;so kinda boring day in the end huh 551107;1394234279;mike_c;;;bc,stats 551108;1394234282;gribble;Current Blocks: 289439 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 864 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 1 hour, 15 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4095548726.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.33347 551109;1394234320;ThickAsThieves;good, i have a headache and no long log to read 551110;1394235994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00087069 = 15.5418 BTC [-] {2} 551111;1394236426;nubbins`;just tried one of the curry sausages, almost too delicious 551112;1394236441;nubbins`;i thumped the table mightily with my fist as i chewed 551113;1394236544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00087141 = 29.5408 BTC [+] {2} 551114;1394236726;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00413 = 0.3965 BTC [-] {2} 551115;1394236787;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00413 = 0.6195 BTC [-] 551116;1394236848;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00412568 = 1.444 BTC [-] {5} 551117;1394237151;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-newsweek-is-remembered-as-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit/ 551118;1394237152;ozbot;In which Newsweek is remembered as a contemptible piece of shit pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popes 551119;1394237406;artifexd;mircea_popescu mike_c made a comment that would have fit nicely into that post. Something along the lines of "Leave the man alone. Either he is the real Satoshi and deserves our respect. Or he isn't and you're bothering the wrong guy." 551120;1394237444;mike_c;oh yeah, somebody in here was talking about driving over to his house. 551121;1394237453;mircea_popescu;heh. 551122;1394237504;mike_c;;;calc (16**17) / 600 551123;1394237504;gribble;491913175298921408 551124;1394237532;mike_c;^ we'll need 491 petahases for 17 zeros 551125;1394237600;artifexd;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-03-2014#550104 551126;1394237603;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 551127;1394237647;mircea_popescu;so what's the problem with 500 ph 551128;1394237662;mike_c;no problem. more zeros is good. 551129;1394237684;mircea_popescu;haha. best largest amount of zeros 551130;1394237705;mike_c;more zeros in front of hash means more zeros at end of btc exchange rate :) 551131;1394237807;mike_c;do these metaphors just come to you? "If this story was motivated by a quest for truth I am an alien shooting lasers from my ears" 551132;1394237868;artifexd;mike_c there was a block with 17 zeros 9 months ago 551133;1394237882;mike_c;number? 551134;1394237886;artifexd;http://blockr.io/block/info/239572 551135;1394237952;mike_c;i suppose right now something ~ 1/16 blocks should have 17 zeros 551136;1394238013;mike_c;picture of mircea: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gw9I8MBfDYM/SUeSic5kk3I/AAAAAAAAAdo/FgMugBJRviM/s800/laser.jpg 551137;1394238049;mircea_popescu;mike_c lol. but i mean... it's not THAT out there is it ? 551138;1394238066;mike_c;no i liked it. i just wonder what train of thought lead there 551139;1394238194;mircea_popescu;i dunno, just randomness 551140;1394238227;artifexd;mike_c, 17 zeros does appear common now. 289404, 289364, 289358... the list goes on 551141;1394238271;mike_c;if 16 zeros is required, they ought to get 17 zeros by happenstance 1/16 times or so 551142;1394238291;artifexd;Heck, 286259 has 18 zeros. 551143;1394238313;mike_c;1/256 :) math is cool that way 551144;1394238321;artifexd;concur 551145;1394238677;[\];to the fap cave: https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/p480x480/1622885_489649931157277_1482020240_n.jpg 551146;1394238678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00087131 = 11.327 BTC [-] 551147;1394239562;mircea_popescu;i see your fapcave and i raise you http://24.media.tumblr.com/574192b342acc15765953d5da7e8e787/tumblr_mjks6b24Ay1qa0zf5o1_1280.jpg 551148;1394239659;gecko_x2;weird that there's no thread about the mtgox database theft 551149;1394239678;gecko_x2;one would think that millions of users would be interested if their passports leak 551150;1394239679;mircea_popescu;some guy was offering to sell it neh ? 551151;1394239684;gecko_x2;yeah 551152;1394239697;mircea_popescu;mtgox never had millions of users, get a hold of yourself 551153;1394239698;gecko_x2;i just got banned from ##mtgox-chat 551154;1394239707;gecko_x2;well u get the point 551155;1394239721;gecko_x2;it's a majority of bitcoin users 551156;1394239732;gecko_x2;with passports, bank account details, home addresses etc 551157;1394239737;gecko_x2;pretyt important 551158;1394239758;gecko_x2;i pm's this one guy that turned out to be a op on ##mtgox-chat 551159;1394239779;gecko_x2;about him trying to help this nanashi character that was trying to flog the database for personal gain 551160;1394239790;gecko_x2;as u can see in the pastebin log 551161;1394239825;gecko_x2;and yet.. no thread on bitcointalk 551162;1394239829;gecko_x2;lol 551163;1394239845;gecko_x2;seems like an international conspiracy of some sorts :p 551164;1394240022;gecko_x2;well MP.. they did have 1 million users 551165;1394240025;gecko_x2;"The site had 1 million customers as of December 2013, according to a document posted on the Web that was purported to be a leaked business plan." 551166;1394240032;gecko_x2;http://www.techworld.com.au/article/540005/lost_translation_tangled_tale_mt_gox_missing_millions/ 551167;1394240033;ozbot;Lost in translation: the tangled tale of Mt. Gox's missing millions - e-commerce, Mt. Gox, security, 551168;1394240076;mircea_popescu;what, one believes what mtgox says now ? 551169;1394240084;ThickAsThieves;millions is a lot more than 1 mil as well 551170;1394240153;gecko_x2;? 551171;1394240168;gecko_x2;the issue was about the stolen database 551172;1394240187;gecko_x2;i just find it weird that there is no talk 551173;1394240199;dexX7;haha hey gecko 551174;1394240216;dexX7;where is gox database? 551175;1394240230;gecko_x2;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zeuoy/rumors_of_20gb_of_data_stolen_from_mtgox/ 551176;1394240233;gecko_x2;hi dexx 551177;1394240234;ozbot;Rumors of 20GB of data stolen from MtGox : Bitcoin 551178;1394240257;dexX7;yea i saw that, but the db is not available, right?? 551179;1394240258;gecko_x2;i mean this user at the end of that pastebin 551180;1394240265;gecko_x2;was trying to help this nanashi dude 551181;1394240269;mircea_popescu;let's do some math : 551182;1394240273;gecko_x2;in flogging the database 551183;1394240283;mircea_popescu;;;calc 20 * 10**9 / 10**6 551184;1394240284;gribble;20000 551185;1394240289;mircea_popescu;dja know what i did there ? 551186;1394240301;gecko_x2;and he just banned me from ##mtgox-chat for pointing out that he should report the suse to interpol or something, not help him 551187;1394240309;gecko_x2;he claimed he was trying to protect me lol 551188;1394240321;gecko_x2;suse=issue 551189;1394240335;dexX7;you're mapping file size to customers? 551190;1394240355;mircea_popescu;if they had 1mn customers the average passport scan is 20kb 551191;1394240385;dexX7;a database file is certainly not an image or whatsoever 551192;1394240399;mircea_popescu;yes, the claim is that this is. 551193;1394240399;dexX7;and i doubt those are base64 encoded and stored there 551194;1394240409;mircea_popescu;why base64 ?! 551195;1394240487;dexX7;no, the claim is they are in posession of a 20 gb database and the guy further ensured that they are not looking forward to leak verification docs but they may have that 551196;1394240505;mircea_popescu;then what'd be in the db ? 551197;1394240520;dexX7;contact infos, transaction histories etc., i'd guess 551198;1394240527;B007;I almost want to buy that db 551199;1394240551;dexX7;i mentioned base64 encoded related to "store images in a database" 551200;1394240554;mircea_popescu;i thought the claim was as to a bunch of passport scans 551201;1394240563;mircea_popescu;otherwise who'd buy a db of some txs 551202;1394240580;dexX7;i'm not aware of this and i'm also not aware that it was ever discussed this db will be up for sale 551203;1394240586;mircea_popescu;dexX7 yes, but it makes no sense. why'd you base64, what is this, db-over-email ? 551204;1394240594;dexX7;:D 551205;1394240608;mircea_popescu;dexX7 what are yu on about, that was the discussion, some nanashi dude on forum/etc 551206;1394240617;mircea_popescu;offering to sell whatever 551207;1394240631;B007;"willing to sell it in pieces, 10BTC for 2gb of data" 551208;1394240648;dexX7;wait, what pastebin is that? 551209;1394240660;B007;http://pastebin.com/mzkfW20u 551210;1394240662;dexX7;i only saw this one: http://pastebin.com/N7B5DC4d 551211;1394240712;mircea_popescu;haha so wait, the dude figures someone cares enough about mtgox to pay 100 btc for their tx history ? 551212;1394240724;mircea_popescu;nobody was willing to pay 100 btc for mtgox whole. 551213;1394240730;mircea_popescu;such optimism. 551214;1394240730;dexX7;sounds like scam 551215;1394240747;dexX7;"send btc, you surely get the data" 551216;1394240762;dexX7;or 551217;1394240776;dexX7;"contact me for samples, so i know who the bad guys are" 551218;1394240777;gecko_x2;well if my passport and home address is in there 551219;1394240783;gecko_x2;then there is a problem 551220;1394240799;B007;"I will verify that I am in possesion of this data before you make purchase. Interested buyers can contact me and I will send you all information contained in file about you personally. No one contact asking for parts of the file for free/me to send file before payment." 551221;1394240854;gecko_x2;i mean 551222;1394240864;gecko_x2;what idiot would try to sell it on irc anyways? 551223;1394240911;mircea_popescu;irc is the place. where else ? 551224;1394240913;mircea_popescu;on newsweek ? 551225;1394240945;copumpkin;IRC is like drug boats 551226;1394240956;gecko_x2;lol 551227;1394240967;dexX7;so did anyone confirm this guy really has the data? 551228;1394241010;mircea_popescu;i dunno anyone has cared. 551229;1394241089;dexX7;hehe, well gecko appearingly does :) 551230;1394241127;gecko_x2;i find it amazing that nobody seems to care 551231;1394241127;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 551232;1394241134;gecko_x2;oh lol 551233;1394241144;gecko_x2;that stupid script still runs hehe 551234;1394241148;mircea_popescu;why ? 551235;1394241194;B007;people would care more if it was a cc dump 551236;1394241195;gecko_x2;a database of 1 million + bitcoin users with passports, home address and bank acount details? 551237;1394241209;gecko_x2;why? 551238;1394241213;gecko_x2;well.. i dunno 551239;1394241217;gecko_x2;maybe it's just me! 551240;1394241219;gecko_x2;hehe 551241;1394241285;gecko_x2;ofcourse. leave it to the great mircea popescu to just scorn and spit on anyone that talks about it 551242;1394241291;cazalla;i'd like to know if they actually deleted your data after 90 days when closing your account as they said they would 551243;1394241298;gecko_x2;just like with every other issue 551244;1394241311;gecko_x2;i bet that's why ppl love you so much on bitcointalk threads :p 551245;1394241341;gecko_x2;MP seems to me you think you are smarter that the rest of the world 551246;1394241350;gecko_x2;that's why everyone likes you. 551247;1394241366;B007;gecko_x2: Vantaa, Finland 551248;1394241382;mircea_popescu;gecko_x2 you two will have to decide at some point if you wish to talk sense or not. 551249;1394241393;mircea_popescu;i thought we just established that a) no 1mn and b) no passports. 551250;1394241423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8479 @ 0.00087187 = 7.3926 BTC [+] 551251;1394241607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00087131 = 9.4537 BTC [-] 551252;1394241657;gecko_x2;what do you mean no passports? 551253;1394241669;gecko_x2;did you just decuce that fact in your brilliant head? 551254;1394241673;gecko_x2;and now it's fact? 551255;1394241695;gecko_x2;deduce even 551256;1394241707;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> ;;calc 20 * 10**9 / 10**6 551257;1394241707;mircea_popescu;<gribble> 20000 551258;1394241723;gecko_x2;wtf does that mean? 551259;1394241729;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2769 @ 0.00404112 = 11.1899 BTC [-] {18} 551260;1394241734;gecko_x2;you can fit lots of data in 20GB 551261;1394241739;mircea_popescu;it means that a 20gb file containing 1mn records is limited to 20kb per record. 551262;1394241748;mircea_popescu;pay attention, srsly. this is a fast crowd here. 551263;1394241752;gecko_x2;lol 551264;1394241761;gecko_x2;whatever man 551265;1394241769;gecko_x2;you don't know what's in the database 551266;1394241780;dexX7;well, i requested a sample 551267;1394241782;mircea_popescu;well apparently it's mostly ascii porn 551268;1394241799;B007;that would be worth it 551269;1394241813;B007;good ascii artists are hard to find 551270;1394241853;gecko_x2;reminds me of VLC's ascii output plugin 551271;1394241859;gecko_x2;it's pretty awesome 551272;1394241911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.005994 = 0.1798 BTC [+] {2} 551273;1394241921;B007;telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl 551274;1394241958;mircea_popescu;im sure it doesn't cost 5btc/gb 551275;1394241962;mircea_popescu;even if they are hard to find 551276;1394241972;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.005994 = 0.2398 BTC [+] {2} 551277;1394242015;dexX7;B007: haha that's awesome, just started watching 551278;1394242094;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.005995 = 0.2878 BTC [+] {2} 551279;1394242200;cazalla;that's starwars if memory serves? 551280;1394242210;dexX7;yup 551281;1394242222;cazalla;that's still up huh 551282;1394242322;cazalla;and i would guess gox count their 1m account as those registered, not just funded/active or verified 551283;1394242338;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.005996 = 0.1499 BTC [+] 551284;1394242399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.005996 = 0.1199 BTC [+] 551285;1394242413;mircea_popescu;cazalla well sure, 1mn accts !==== 1mn people 551286;1394242421;cazalla;that too 551287;1394242452;cazalla;maybe the 20Gb represents 5% of people who verified and the remaining 1Gb represents the other 95% of people and is just username + email 551288;1394242530;mircea_popescu;at any rate, ~20gb worth of passport scans is, if memory serves, in the 2-3k range 551289;1394242535;mircea_popescu;so whatever, a coupla btc. 551290;1394242545;benkay;;;ticker 551291;1394242546;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 636.27, Best ask: 638.42, Bid-ask spread: 2.15000, Last trade: 638.42, 24 hour volume: 21470.82252535, 24 hour low: 613.45, 24 hour high: 668.7, 24 hour vwap: 637.99719502 551292;1394242563;cazalla;i would guess a lot of people just send 5mb jpegs too 551293;1394242568;cazalla;instead of resizing 551294;1394242614;mircea_popescu;yeah but you resize them for storage 551295;1394242654;mircea_popescu;generally the way this crap works in practice, you have a size. if you get sent stuff under that size you return it as illegible, 551296;1394242658;mircea_popescu;if over, you downsize and save 551297;1394242665;cazalla;20kb sufficient for that? i thought you need to keep a certain resolution 551298;1394242680;mircea_popescu;course... mtgox... 551299;1394242688;mircea_popescu;cazalla nah, it'd be something like 500kb 551300;1394242704;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.005997 = 0.1139 BTC [+] {3} 551301;1394242716;benkay;psh who downsizes things 551302;1394242723;benkay;stowage be cheap. 551303;1394242745;benkay;^^ sez every derpy web dev 551304;1394242755;mircea_popescu;benkay generally legal dept says so 551305;1394242773;mircea_popescu;because they for whatever reason i've never evaluated perceive if oyu're supoena'd it's better to offer uniform sizing 551306;1394242786;benkay;... 551307;1394242810;mircea_popescu;conceivably they just want to avoid the edge case where judge wants to know how come the one id in the set we actually care about is also your smallest. 551308;1394242854;dexX7;"1.1 million of account and 550,000 verified customers" 551309;1394242871;mircea_popescu;this, of course, goes for businesses with like, actual COOs and GCs and whatnot 551310;1394242877;mircea_popescu;woefully out of place in mtgox context 551311;1394242928;mircea_popescu;dexX7 so ask him how come 550k verified fits in 20gb 551312;1394243009;dexX7;one after the other. i did get a response, but that was simply "Your email text was empty. I am not going to open any attachments." ... accidently sent my mail with the message in the attachment 551313;1394243277;gecko_x2;heh.. 551314;1394243278;dexX7;there is also the chance that this guy will return an excerpt of the 2011 leak 551315;1394243346;kakobreklaa;or a bitstamp one 551316;1394243367;dexX7;true 551317;1394243399;dexX7;but to their defense, they already provided gox source code 551318;1394243428;mircea_popescu;the same people ? 551319;1394243432;dexX7;yes 551320;1394243453;dexX7;well, or let's say "a guy with the name nanashi on irc" 551321;1394243486;mircea_popescu;lolk 551322;1394243492;kakobreklaa;supposedly gox code 551323;1394243520;mircea_popescu;you can't verify it's actually gox coide, not really, you can't verify it's not just some dude passing along some pastebin he's found god knows where. 551324;1394243535;mircea_popescu;kinda where the lack of interest starts. jack shit you can in facrt verify. 551325;1394243558;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.08199999 = 0.41 BTC [+] 551326;1394243646;dexX7;lukas-jr could. he is referenced multiple times in the code as email recipient for an alert that goes off in case of tx sending problems 551327;1394243657;dexX7;i received another answer 551328;1394243666;dexX7;containing an address 551329;1394243681;dexX7;which is not the one used for the gox registration 551330;1394243690;dexX7;but taken from a phone book 551331;1394243694;dexX7;or similar 551332;1394243876;kakobrekla;i could prolly somewhat verify the validity of the code if we had the api parts 551333;1394243963;gecko_x2;http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2014/02/26/bitcoin-blogger-mt-gox-leak/ 551334;1394243977;dexX7;http://pastebin.com/W8B3CGiN 551335;1394243995;dexX7;oh not this 2 bit idiot again 551336;1394244030;gecko_x2;lol 551337;1394244043;gecko_x2;just pasted.. i dunno about the author 551338;1394244078;mircea_popescu;taking bets on how long he takes to get tired and move on 551339;1394244084;mircea_popescu;im guessing a coupla months. 551340;1394244105;kakobrekla;zoo subjective 551341;1394244107;kakobrekla;too 551342;1394244116;mircea_popescu;"Ryan Selkis blew the whistle on Mt. Gox." 551343;1394244117;mircea_popescu;lmao 551344;1394244156;mircea_popescu;wait it gets better 551345;1394244164;mircea_popescu;"The full-time project is a company called Inscrypto, which is basically a privately-funded, decentralized version of the FDIC for Bitcoin. " 551346;1394244167;mircea_popescu;he's usagi. 551347;1394244217;dexX7;http://www.f6s.com/pictures/profiles/25/2463/246299_half.jpg 551348;1394244244;mircea_popescu;oh omaha. 551349;1394244375;kakobrekla;oh look aurora mkt cap half of ltcs 551350;1394244388;kakobrekla;at an amazing 19$ 551351;1394244388;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 551352;1394244434;B007;when it's us dollars, it looks like $19 btw 551353;1394244482;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla shitty site is shitty ;/ 551354;1394244492;kakobrekla;mhm 551355;1394244538;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm for bed. 551356;1394244540;B007;mircea_popescu: you should bet 1000 on something on your site 551357;1394244542;dexX7;cya 551358;1394244544;B007;night 551359;1394244546;mircea_popescu;don't find satoshi while i sleep 551360;1394244552;B007;no worries 551361;1394244592;joecool;still trying to find Waldo tbh 551362;1394244839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00087072 = 12.103 BTC [-] {2} 551363;1394245510;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 271 @ 0.0056429 = 1.5292 BTC [-] {4} 551364;1394245754;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 905 @ 0.00017953 = 0.1625 BTC [-] {8} 551365;1394246135;dexX7;"That is extremely strange, I don't know how that could be. As far as I know you are the first person who's data has not been accurate. Is it possible that you had an older account associated with that email?" ... from the gox guys 551366;1394246167;kakobrekla;how do they verify it 551367;1394246201;dexX7;well, no one complained about data being incorrect maybe 551368;1394246323;nubbins`;http://www.icrobotics.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Turning_the_Raspberry_Pi_Into_an_FM_Transmitter 551369;1394246325;ozbot;Turning the Raspberry Pi Into an FM Transmitter - Imperial College Robotics Society Wiki 551370;1394246331;nubbins`;pirate radio ;0 551371;1394246400;dexX7;it's really odd. the data i received is indeed connected to me, but not mine. more like the one of a relative who is neither associated with my email address nor with bitcoin. and it was only "name/address/zip/city/country", no scans, id or whatsoever 551372;1394246547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 34 @ 0.02099939 = 0.714 BTC [+] {6} 551373;1394246608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1800 @ 0.00459738 = 8.2753 BTC [-] {18} 551374;1394246660;ThickAsThieves;so it's a scam 551375;1394246669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 78 @ 0.00455937 = 0.3556 BTC [-] {3} 551376;1394246670;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00087043 = 15.102 BTC [-] 551377;1394246913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00087027 = 18.6238 BTC [-] {2} 551378;1394246913;chatquack;http://www.ronpaulchannel.com/video/dont-ask-government-regulate-bitcoin/?utm_source=RPFBG&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=DailyUpdate 551379;1394246914;ozbot;Don't Ask the Government to Regulate Bitcoin | Ron Paul Channel 551380;1394247767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00087108 = 2.5261 BTC [+] {2} 551381;1394248316;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.00569928 = 0.3989 BTC [-] {2} 551382;1394249719;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 324 @ 0.00430995 = 1.3964 BTC [+] {12} 551383;1394250695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00087224 = 7.5449 BTC [+] {2} 551384;1394251061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.08299999 = 0.913 BTC [+] {2} 551385;1394251202;asciilifeform;unrelated to anything: 551386;1394251213;asciilifeform;whoever snaps up that Tu bomber, 551387;1394251238;asciilifeform;where will he fly without swallowing a rocket up a tailpipe ? 551388;1394251254;joecool;asciilifeform: its probably cool in romania 551389;1394251277;asciilifeform;or will he convince every individual country to be flown over that this particular тушка isn't russian at all, no nukes really 551390;1394251310;joecool;asciilifeform: i mean, they'll hear it coming a lonngggg way away 551391;1394251365;KRS-One;yeh turbo props are crazy noisy 551392;1394251377;asciilifeform;not simply noisy 551393;1394251388;KRS-One;menacing 551394;1394251399;KRS-One;i had to fly in one to the bahamas once it sucked 551395;1394251400;joecool;use it for barnstorming @ night 551396;1394251403;joecool;neighbors will hate you 551397;1394251404;asciilifeform;it's radar shadow is probably hardcoded into every SAM battery on the planet. 551398;1394251414;KRS-One;lol yeah 551399;1394251460;asciilifeform;speaking of rockets, 551400;1394251464;asciilifeform;http://abcnews.go.com/International/malaysia-airlines-flight-missing-en-route-china/story?id=22827892 551401;1394251464;ozbot;Malaysia Airlines Flight Vanishes, Four Americans on Board - ABC News 551402;1394251482;asciilifeform;can't wait to learn what 'interesting' people who 'can also have problems' were sitting in this one. 551403;1394251548;joecool;i wonder if propfans are nearly as loud 551404;1394251705;asciilifeform;'The passengers are of 13 nationalities, the airline said. They were from China and Taiwan (154), Malaysia (38), Indonesia (12), Australia (7), France (3), United States (4), New Zealand (2), Ukraine (2), Canada (2), Russia (1), Italy (1), Netherlands (1), Austria (1).' (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane-missing) 551405;1394251916;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0442499 = 0.1327 BTC [+] 551406;1394251977;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02348998 = 0.1174 BTC [+] 551407;1394253013;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.044 = 0.484 BTC [-] 551408;1394253074;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04362553 = 0.4363 BTC [-] {4} 551409;1394253623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00087008 = 10.615 BTC [-] 551410;1394253914;dexX7;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4cQ_ZOWJ3Y i just noticed that dorian said "i don't work for that company (bitcoin) and i'm not aware of their product" :D 551411;1394253914;ozbot;Tracking down Bitcoin's creator - YouTube 551412;1394255409;MisterE;wtf? http://i.imgur.com/OpxXdbb.jpg 551413;1394255793;KRS-One;fags have too much time on their hands. 551414;1394255794;KRS-One;.bait 551415;1394255796;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/7e6d1b0b909330c26647b45485d892b3/tumblr_mv85k7k0ni1r21xm5o1_500.jpg 551416;1394256088;KRS-One;wow..well..she needs a bit more titteh 551417;1394256368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00087593 = 8.9783 BTC [+] {2} 551418;1394256827;MisterE;KRS-One: no doubt 551419;1394256843;MisterE;I just got baked and sucked into the btce trollbox for an hour 551420;1394256845;MisterE;kinda fun 551421;1394257588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04425 = 0.1328 BTC [+] 551422;1394257671;chetty_;http://www.ihavebitcoins.com/featured/massive-btc-movements-send-tremors-though-bitcoin-community/ 551423;1394257672;ozbot;Massive BTC Movements Send Tremors Though the Bitcoin Community - I Have Bitcoins 551424;1394257771;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.005995 = 0.2518 BTC [-] 551425;1394258137;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.602505 BTC [-] 551426;1394258381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00087705 = 8.1566 BTC [+] 551427;1394258484;MisterE;Vietnamese Navy says they have the crash at sea on radar. http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraft-goes-missing--says-airline-023820132.html 551428;1394258575;pigeons;watched a whole movie with him and still am not quite sure i believe this "paul rudd" guy is not ben affleck 551429;1394258588;Luke-Jr;who is two bit idiot, and why does he want Roger Ver running the Bitcoin Foundation? :/ 551430;1394258930;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00087705 = 5.1307 BTC [+] 551431;1394258991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00087008 = 9.0923 BTC [-] 551432;1394259041;dignork;Luke-Jr, two bit idiot is the dude who leaked mgox pdf 551433;1394259541;Luke-Jr;I know that 551434;1394259565;ThickAsThieves;I thought 2bitidiot is Ver? 551435;1394259571;KRS-One;funny 551436;1394259583;Luke-Jr;ThickAsThieves: that would certainly make sense then! 551437;1394259599;ThickAsThieves;or at least Ver is two-bit idiot 551438;1394259810;cryptotrading;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQTM8NkbIVw 551439;1394259810;ozbot;Mt Gox Explained Andrew Ittleman, Andreas M Antonopoulos Ryan Selkis - YouTube 551440;1394259811;dexX7_;https://twitter.com/RyanSelkis < this is 2 idiot 551441;1394259812;ozbot;Ryan Selkis (RyanSelkis) on Twitter 551442;1394260371;greenut;btw Roger Vee.... not good thing. 551443;1394261004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.04398779 = 0.8798 BTC [-] {3} 551444;1394261362;chetty_;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/06/bitcoin_exchange_bleeds_money_after_hack_attack/ 551445;1394263078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11283 @ 0.00086981 = 9.8141 BTC [-] 551446;1394263688;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.08032883 = 1.2853 BTC [-] {7} 551447;1394264786;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00563 = 0.563 BTC [-] 551448;1394264847;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 81 @ 0.00562105 = 0.4553 BTC [-] 551449;1394265213;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 20000 @ 0.000115 = 2.3 BTC [-] {2} 551450;1394265457;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.04449905 = 0.89 BTC [-] {2} 551451;1394265701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4492 @ 0.00086981 = 3.9072 BTC [-] 551452;1394265762;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.0005 = 1 BTC [-] 551453;1394265823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 9844 @ 0.000105 = 1.0336 BTC [-] 551454;1394265884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00087438 = 1.7488 BTC [+] 551455;1394265945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MG] 1408 @ 0.000154 = 0.2168 BTC [+] 551456;1394266433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9525 @ 0.00087524 = 8.3367 BTC [+] {2} 551457;1394267043;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6025 = 1.205 BTC [-] {2} 551458;1394267044;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00087695 = 2.4993 BTC [+] {2} 551459;1394268019;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08590962 = 0.1718 BTC [-] {2} 551460;1394268263;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 62 @ 0.07562202 = 4.6886 BTC [-] {8} 551461;1394269122;benkay;i chuckled: http://imgur.com/5u5cg6r 551462;1394269460;MisterE;http://thoughtcrook.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/dear-mainstream-media-rtfm/ 551463;1394269461;ozbot;Dear Newsweek: RTFM | Makeshift Kiosk 551464;1394269721;benkay;i gather we're in the backlash phase of this mainstream hype cycle 551465;1394269755;benkay;there's no price signal, so everyone's reduced to gibbering like animals about satoshi 551466;1394269789;benkay;errybody wanna bitcoin, so long as it's easily obtained from government-approved taps 551467;1394269888;chetty_;gubermint approved - oh noes, ruuuuuunnnnn 551468;1394270215;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0749992 = 0.15 BTC [-] 551469;1394270715;mircea_popescu;dexX7_ so basically, the guy ran a google search 551470;1394270720;mircea_popescu;how long did he have to produce the bit ? 551471;1394270788;mircea_popescu;fatcock ? 551472;1394270790;mircea_popescu;that's a new one. 551473;1394270914;fatcock;yep 551474;1394270974;mircea_popescu;a wait you're the selkis dude ? 551475;1394271008;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135000 @ 0.00086827 = 117.2165 BTC [-] {7} 551476;1394271045;fatcock;never heard of him 551477;1394271052;mircea_popescu;aok 551478;1394271251;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wanna bet that thing's in korea ? 551479;1394271252;KRS-One;.bait 551480;1394271253;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwej0olll91r254aoo1_1280.jpg 551481;1394271258;mircea_popescu;(the best korea there is, of course) 551482;1394271313;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07172951 = 0.4304 BTC [-] {5} 551483;1394271374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63875 @ 0.00080768 = 51.5906 BTC [-] {8} 551484;1394271708;mircea_popescu;Luke-Jr: who is two bit idiot, and why does he want Roger Ver running the Bitcoin Foundation? :/ << take a guess 551485;1394271714;mircea_popescu;or http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2014#543697 i guess, at your option. 551486;1394271953;mircea_popescu;MisterE is that your blog ? /thoughtcrook ? 551487;1394271970;MisterE;no 551488;1394272045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2030 @ 0.00403232 = 8.1856 BTC [-] {10} 551489;1394272243;mircea_popescu;http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1443498/us-language-tutor-jailed-30-years-sexually-exploiting-children 551490;1394272245;ozbot;US language tutor jailed for 30 years for sexually exploiting children in China | South China Mornin 551491;1394272252;mircea_popescu;the chinese educational dilemma : to hire or not to hire us citizens ? 551492;1394272271;mircea_popescu;on one hand, they're all pedos. on the other hand, if you catch them you can deport them for a massive fat sentence. 551493;1394272286;mircea_popescu;what would one have, unmolested children or severely punished child molested ? 551494;1394272411;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04292874 = 0.3005 BTC [-] {5} 551495;1394272671;MisterE;PatrickHarnett being sued? 551496;1394272838;mircea_popescu;people been making noises, but not actually afaik. 551497;1394272929;MisterE;http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news%2Fbizarre&id=9458272 551498;1394272930;ozbot;Oklahoma man chasing $20 gets lost in sewer system for two days | abc13.com 551499;1394273078;mircea_popescu;https://www.aclu.org/national-security/woman-detained-airport-files-suit 551500;1394273082;ozbot;Woman Detained at Airport Files Suit | American Civil Liberties Union 551501;1394273093;mircea_popescu;aclu huh ? is o'bammy losing the commie support ? 551502;1394275034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0056025 = 0.8404 BTC [-] {2} 551503;1394277827;dexX7_;why is it a thing what the foundation does or not does? i don't think they are in duty and they seem to do a lot of lobby work which i think is a good thing 551504;1394280036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00400003 = 0.4 BTC [-] {6} 551505;1394281607;mircea_popescu;aite, be back a little later. 551506;1394281612;mircea_popescu;don't find satoshi while i'm gone yo! 551507;1394281805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 146 @ 0.00560165 = 0.8178 BTC [-] {3} 551508;1394285038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 686 @ 0.00017944 = 0.1231 BTC [-] {4} 551509;1394285892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11892 @ 0.0008337 = 9.9144 BTC [+] 551510;1394285953;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0056 = 0.224 BTC [-] 551511;1394288088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 498 @ 0.00400077 = 1.9924 BTC [-] {8} 551512;1394288820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00082976 = 5.5179 BTC [-] 551513;1394289328;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5486409;topicseen#new Dr Greg loses some investor money cuz icbit/gox 551514;1394289330;ozbot;[Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus 551515;1394289351;ThickAsThieves;or maybe he just needed some new shoes 551516;1394289735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.07304161 = 2.6295 BTC [-] {2} 551517;1394289796;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2371 @ 0.003745 = 8.8794 BTC [-] {23} 551518;1394289857;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1629 @ 0.0036 = 5.8644 BTC [-] 551519;1394290131;asciilifeform;http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-3220170 551520;1394290131;ozbot;Missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370: Passenger on board missing Jet carrying 239 people 'was usi 551521;1394290345;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07439999 = 0.8184 BTC [+] {2} 551522;1394290650;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0721 = 0.721 BTC [-] {2} 551523;1394291226;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so is it in korea ? :D 551524;1394291261;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well at least he didn't lose it on the scientology of bitcoin 551525;1394291270;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: damned if i know - i didn't meacon it 551526;1394291315;mircea_popescu;would be funny if it turns out this is how the greatest leader that ever was picks up nowadays 551527;1394291318;mircea_popescu;by the planefull. 551528;1394291374;asciilifeform;seems unlikely that NK would steal a box full of chinese 551529;1394291418;mircea_popescu;lmao 551530;1394291425;mircea_popescu;indeed, but it's fucking comedy gold 551531;1394291482;asciilifeform;dollars to doughnuts, the fish ate well that day. 551532;1394291504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0056 = 0.1288 BTC [-] {2} 551533;1394291506;mircea_popescu;yeah, pretty much the safe bet. 551534;1394291546;asciilifeform;linked 'mirror' piece claims a fellow with a nicked passport aboard. 551535;1394291633;asciilifeform;incidentally, not much has been spoken in public about the remote control mandatory on u.s.-made aircraft built since '9/11' 551536;1394291668;asciilifeform;(all the fat 'flying bus' machines are fly-by-wire, it's a mere firmware patch) 551537;1394291694;mircea_popescu;well... notrly wire. 551538;1394291718;mircea_popescu;but anyway, this notion that you can (or should) fly commercial from the cockpit is nonsense in the first place, and was on the out since at least the 60s 551539;1394291759;mircea_popescu;graveyard spiral et all. 551540;1394291773;asciilifeform;forget airplanes, they put drivers back (!) on the wash. d.c. metro trains. 551541;1394291778;asciilifeform;'by popular demand' 551542;1394291806;mircea_popescu;lol to do what 551543;1394291808;asciilifeform;herd isn't ready to be herded by loudspeaker yet 551544;1394291817;asciilifeform;they... open and close doors, mostly. 551545;1394291819;mircea_popescu;so what is the driver doing ? 551546;1394291820;mircea_popescu;lmao 551547;1394292120;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Guam2.ogv 551548;1394292123;mircea_popescu;this is some pretty epic shit btw 551549;1394292175;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 23 @ 0.59788693 = 13.7514 BTC [-] {9} 551550;1394292379;mircea_popescu;lucky the ukraine thing didn't happen in winter btw, or else it'd have been quite literal cold war. 551551;1394292431;asciilifeform;just as the ancients like to schedule planned wars in the warm season... 551552;1394292846;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07439999 = 0.372 BTC [+] 551553;1394292863;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/razlet-thought-on-the-topic-of-size-and-fitting/ 551554;1394292864;ozbot;Razlet thought on the topic of size and fitting pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 551555;1394293092;ThickAsThieves;aka - mp had sex with a midget 551556;1394293134;mircea_popescu;lol 551557;1394293137;ThickAsThieves;you kinda make a pretty big leap from razlet to dog sizes 551558;1394293148;mircea_popescu;kinda the nature of the beast 551559;1394293150;mircea_popescu;i mean, word. 551560;1394294015;mircea_popescu;http://www.activistpost.com/2014/03/8-events-that-prove-your-money-is-not.html 551561;1394294016;ozbot;Activist Post: 8 Events That Prove Your Money Is Not Safe In Europe, Or Anywhere 551562;1394294020;mircea_popescu;for the choir. 551563;1394294214;bitcoinpete;do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti-do-allo 551564;1394294255;ThickAsThieves;so if EU is shit, US is shit, where to go? 551565;1394294281;bitcoinpete;any thoughts here on jeff berwick? 551566;1394294310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00397924 = 0.1631 BTC [-] 551567;1394294313;ThickAsThieves;btw designers already can't handle different sized humans. I'm only 6'2" and can't fit properly into most cars 551568;1394294371;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00397924 = 0.3183 BTC [-] {2} 551569;1394294517;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves la serenissima. 551570;1394294558;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete hes the guy with the galt gulch project neh ? 551571;1394294569;*;nubbins` shakes head 551572;1394294572;mircea_popescu;i'd guess the reaction is kinda lukewarm 551573;1394294579;nubbins`;there was a post on the forums last year about some guy making "bitcoin town" 551574;1394294606;nubbins`;he waited til around the tenth paragraph before he mentioned the forced ingestion of nootropics 551575;1394294635;mircea_popescu;what are those ? 551576;1394294647;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu Ya, that's him alright. Also from my hometown incidentally. 551577;1394294656;bitcoinpete;Brain drugs, iirc 551578;1394294704;nubbins`;^ 551579;1394294726;nubbins`;new thread, less cruft before you get to the meat: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224478.0 551580;1394294728;mircea_popescu;why not just use the brain ? 551581;1394294749;bitcoinpete;it's expensive to do so 551582;1394294756;nubbins`;"Bitcoin town will work to protect, promote & repair the mental health of any willing citizens ... And we will work to be at the forefront of Neurogenesis and Synaptogenesis research." 551583;1394294785;mircea_popescu;aww, no qc ? 551584;1394294791;mircea_popescu;sucks. 551585;1394294796;nubbins`;next thing he's talking about datura and sweat lodges 551586;1394294808;mircea_popescu;it could have been right out of Master of Orion, this research 551587;1394294817;asciilifeform;powered by Amazing Phree Energy Overunity Drive! 551588;1394294849;[\];balls 551589;1394294857;nubbins`;WHERE?! 551590;1394294878;ThickAsThieves;is la serenissima a fancy way of saying world's smallest violin? 551591;1394294900;[\];nubbins`, I know of a couple but you can't have them. 551592;1394294907;nubbins`;heh 551593;1394294944;mircea_popescu;http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z314/Xenogears_of_Bore/orion_113.png 551594;1394294946;[\];So I read through the pirate docs... 551595;1394294953;[\];why didn't anyone tell me that I got fully repaid? 551596;1394294960;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves http://trilema.com/2014/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws/ 551597;1394294969;[\];to think this whole time I got screwed 551598;1394294969;mircea_popescu;it's this mystical re-enactment of the venetian republic. 551599;1394294996;mircea_popescu;[\\\] people wanted you to have a nice surprise on mother's day. 551600;1394294998;mircea_popescu;so there you go. 551601;1394295008;[\];but I'm not a mother 551602;1394295012;mircea_popescu;so you think. 551603;1394295015;mircea_popescu;SURPRISE 551604;1394295090;[\];hot damn 551605;1394295193;mircea_popescu;wait, how the fuck is us mother's day on may 11th ? 551606;1394295193;mircea_popescu;that' 551607;1394295196;mircea_popescu;s dynasty day 551608;1394295200;mircea_popescu;real mother's day is march 8th 551609;1394295311;peterl;depends on where you live? 551610;1394295343;mircea_popescu;heresy 551611;1394295347;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04399999 = 0.176 BTC [+] {2} 551612;1394295404;[\];is there anywhere but the USA? 551613;1394295565;peterl;I've only been places in the USA, so the rest of the world must not exist! 551614;1394295586;peterl;wait, no, I've been to Canada, but that's just about the same thing 551615;1394295593;mircea_popescu;that's how they came up with rome wisconsin 551616;1394295612;mircea_popescu;and also what put the new in new york 551617;1394295675;peterl;Which is bigger, York or New York? 551618;1394295732;mircea_popescu;york lol 551619;1394295775;mircea_popescu;ot 551620;1394295783;mircea_popescu;it's like 10k sqkm or some shit 551621;1394295811;mircea_popescu;largest county in england 551622;1394295946;mircea_popescu;"There are thousands of acres of in BC Canada that are owned by the Queen of England....If we squat there drill some wells and plant some trees. Do you really think the Queen is going to bring us an eviction notice or force us off the land with military force?" 551623;1394295949;mircea_popescu;umm.... yes ? 551624;1394295958;mircea_popescu;that thread on the neoweirdos delivers. 551625;1394296019;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224478.msg2385486#msg2385486 551626;1394296020;ozbot;Let's Build a Town, Bitcoin Town 551627;1394296021;mircea_popescu;that's the clincher 551628;1394296115;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reminiscent of this famous crackpot gem: http://www.iiicitadel.com 551629;1394296132;mircea_popescu;The Citadel is evolving as a planned community where residents are bound together by: 551630;1394296133;mircea_popescu;Patriotism 551631;1394296133;mircea_popescu;Pride in American Exceptionalism 551632;1394296136;mircea_popescu;what srsly ? 551633;1394296161;mircea_popescu;someone somewhere actually believes that *us people* are anything but exceptionally stupid nao ?! 551634;1394296189;mircea_popescu;i guess the very essex-looking walltower kinda makes the point better than 10k words 551635;1394296196;asciilifeform;clip art. 551636;1394296209;mircea_popescu;"i am proud of these unrelated people's feudal architecture!" 551637;1394296218;asciilifeform;afaik there's no tower, just a dirtbag with a sack of $ 551638;1394296220;asciilifeform;from chumpers 551639;1394296230;mircea_popescu;HOUSING DETAILS: All homes will be built of poured concrete for exceptional strength and durability. 551640;1394296233;mircea_popescu;god help me 551641;1394296245;mircea_popescu;"live in a premodern jail!" 551642;1394296275;mircea_popescu;"Your home will be built to your specs (details available at this website) with utilities stubbed to the interior. You select the facade for the exterior of your home. You are responsible for completing the interior of your home as you wish. You may choose to do the work yourself, or hire contractors. But every single detail, from paint to tiles to counters, is your choice." 551643;1394296282;mircea_popescu;how about my choice of not living in a carved up rock ? 551644;1394296323;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0445999 = 0.892 BTC [+] {8} 551645;1394296358;asciilifeform;as far as i could tell, the thing is/was some combo of a usg honeypot and straight 'jam tomorrow, not today' chumpatron. 551646;1394296368;mircea_popescu;anyway, for the record, the same exact situation is the case in romania 551647;1394296384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07439998 = 0.2976 BTC [-] 551648;1394296391;mircea_popescu;except you also get the choice to make a brick-in-concrete pillars with poured concrete foundation and wood roofing house, 551649;1394296393;mircea_popescu;like sane people. 551650;1394296442;mircea_popescu;and you can even use microcellular concrete or w/e you call it in english 551651;1394296444;asciilifeform;best part: 551652;1394296445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07439998 = 0.372 BTC [-] {2} 551653;1394296446;asciilifeform;'The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack. Nor is the Citadel, in any manner, attempting to provoke any government entity.' 551654;1394296468;mircea_popescu;"we just called it the citadel because the outhouse was taken 551655;1394296523;mircea_popescu;anyway, how would one design buildings to "withstand" direct military attacks ? use an abandoned salt mine or something ? 551656;1394296543;chetty_;hey lets round ourselves up, save them moving us to the reservation (brave new world) 551657;1394296554;asciilifeform;this particular crock of shit isn't even an especially convincing one - just illustrative of the concept. 551658;1394296599;mircea_popescu;"all rooves are poured rebared concrete 10 meter thick" 551659;1394296608;mircea_popescu;"and if they make bigger bunker busters, we'll just pour more concrete" 551660;1394296733;asciilifeform;mice do so love cheese. but, afaik, this particular trap remains empty. paper chumpatron. 551661;1394296848;mircea_popescu;"We actually hope to make a local restaurant and turn it into a national franchise" 551662;1394296859;mircea_popescu;o hey, we'll be just like the amish, except suckier and without tradition 551663;1394296876;mircea_popescu;"we need to go to each church and offer them contracts to not be churches any more" 551664;1394296881;mircea_popescu;oh this shit is so great. 551665;1394296889;asciilifeform;wait what. last i checked, the only planned industry was small arms. 551666;1394296889;mircea_popescu;thank you people finding me great shit to read! 551667;1394296899;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im still digesting the earlier forum thing 551668;1394296903;asciilifeform;aha 551669;1394296916;mircea_popescu;"it's illegal to manufacture guns" 551670;1394296923;mircea_popescu;these are roughly the ows demo 551671;1394296930;mircea_popescu;"You have to work if you want a share of communal food" 551672;1394296937;mircea_popescu;"hey, can i be a stripper ?" 551673;1394296942;asciilifeform;wouldn't it be neat to somehow throw these folks into the same pit ? 551674;1394296953;asciilifeform;ows vs. citadel 'in a cage' 551675;1394297026;mircea_popescu;they wouldn't fight 551676;1394297033;mircea_popescu;because, obviously, they're above it 551677;1394297050;mircea_popescu;what they'd do is what they currently do in the shitty pits they inhabit (starbucks et atll) 551678;1394297057;mircea_popescu;give each other looks and mash the phone kbds 551679;1394297302;[\];thanks for the lol 551680;1394297313;[\];you should start charging for invites to this channel 551681;1394297372;mircea_popescu;eh, let there be communism of lol. 551682;1394297380;mircea_popescu;to each according to his lolpacity. 551683;1394297649;KRS-One;teh lolpacity of the fapacity...let there be fap. 551684;1394297650;KRS-One;.bait 551685;1394297651;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6npeuuTNh1rrcfz6o1_1280.jpg 551686;1394297760;mircea_popescu;why does your fapstuff suck so ? 551687;1394297761;mircea_popescu;here : http://31.media.tumblr.com/aa28daf7909e253da62b698548678cd8/tumblr_mzceju0MAX1s9ip0zo1_1280.jpg 551688;1394297823;mircea_popescu;and http://25.media.tumblr.com/4ebda24364f060f2f1c5ff1306e2d02f/tumblr_mzfqpuDIeu1ro88meo1_1280.jpg 551689;1394297844;mircea_popescu;and http://31.media.tumblr.com/326e50ab860e91ce34bca0af66564d5b/tumblr_mzd9xpjAmS1rwpxplo1_500.jpg 551690;1394297848;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 80 @ 0.045 = 3.6 BTC [+] 551691;1394297903;KRS-One;idk =/ 551692;1394297907;KRS-One;I try really hard. 551693;1394297970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 42 @ 0.13311598 = 5.5909 BTC [-] 551694;1394297971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.37038703 BTC to 3`597 shares, 65899 satoshi per share 551695;1394297998;KRS-One;Heh that first bitch looks fun..And free. 551696;1394298080;mircea_popescu;good women usually do. 551697;1394298092;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] [PAID] 2.67652000 BTC to 86`900 shares, 3080 satoshi per share 551698;1394298103;KRS-One;That guy who has her in bonds totally reminds me of a friend of mine who would do that. 551699;1394298110;mircea_popescu;http://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/copyrightWrapper/watermark.php?display=true&image=http://bp.uuuploads.com/worst-book-covers-titles/worst-book-covers-titles-7.jpg 551700;1394298128;KRS-One;I think its Ozbot..not me. 551701;1394298141;KRS-One;Trust me, k..I can fap. 551702;1394298153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00599648 = 0.1079 BTC [+] 551703;1394298154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00082909 = 9.6589 BTC [-] 551704;1394298253;KRS-One;Ok ozbot..no fucking around. Gimme a good one. 551705;1394298260;*;KRS-One tweaks ozbot. 551706;1394298268;KRS-One;.bait 551707;1394298270;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7bd8jmsWj1ru145yo1_500.jpg 551708;1394299068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00397924 = 0.5571 BTC [-] {4} 551709;1394299091;KRS-One;HAH Shrem and Karpelese coindesk 'coined' bromance. 551710;1394299312;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00082905 = 7.7931 BTC [-] {2} 551711;1394299495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00397925 = 0.199 BTC [+] 551712;1394300105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18261 @ 0.00083115 = 15.1776 BTC [+] {2} 551713;1394300349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.00579995 = 0.1276 BTC [+] 551714;1394301447;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00578628 = 0.2893 BTC [-] {7} 551715;1394301508;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59001 BTC [-] 551716;1394301569;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0057801 = 0.1734 BTC [-] {5} 551717;1394301813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07449822 = 0.2235 BTC [+] 551718;1394302346;the20year2;is mpoe t he best btc:usd short? 551719;1394302389;mircea_popescu;why not something like x.eur ? 551720;1394302402;mircea_popescu;you can add a eur/usd leg or w/e 551721;1394302850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00397457 = 0.4769 BTC [-] {3} 551722;1394304558;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00419982 = 0.105 BTC [+] {4} 551723;1394304680;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02289999 = 0.229 BTC [-] {2} 551724;1394304863;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.10699957 = 0.535 BTC [-] {3} 551725;1394305778;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04549999 = 0.2275 BTC [+] {4} 551726;1394305799;bitcoinpete;Wondering if I should be trusting bitaddress.org… Anyone else use it? 551727;1394305857;mircea_popescu;js mouse based "entropy" ? tis shitty. 551728;1394305862;asciilifeform;hahaha 551729;1394305862;mircea_popescu;i mean fun project, but shitty. 551730;1394305878;asciilifeform;bonus points for using a radio mouse. 551731;1394305900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00400003 = 0.112 BTC [-] {3} 551732;1394305925;bitcoinpete;hmm even on offline comp eh? 551733;1394305936;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it conveniently dots the screen, so no need for radio mouse 551734;1394305946;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete just generate entropy the traditional way. 551735;1394305955;bitcoinpete;dictionary…? 551736;1394305955;mircea_popescu;gimmicks are fun for a computing project in computer class, 551737;1394305961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.004 = 0.128 BTC [-] {3} 551738;1394305974;mircea_popescu;if the worst comes to worse, http://trilema.com/2012/romanian-dicelist/ 551739;1394306022;bitcoinpete;ty 551740;1394306039;bitcoinpete;It's time to start playing grown-up 551741;1394306042;bitcoinpete;for me 551742;1394306084;mircea_popescu;cool. 551743;1394306157;bitcoinpete;lots of good reading on thelastpsychiatrist btw. keepin' me busy 551744;1394306180;mircea_popescu;yeah i love him. 551745;1394306488;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/when-did-the-2007-banking-crisis-start-how-about-1985/ 551746;1394306489;ozbot;When did the 2007 banking crisis start ? How about 1985. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 551747;1394306527;bitcoinpete;on a writing roll today! 551748;1394306610;mircea_popescu;crazy so far. 551749;1394306693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58200002 BTC [-] 551750;1394306815;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07667742 = 0.23 BTC [+] {3} 551751;1394306997;moiety;mew 551752;1394307044;moiety;asciilifeform asciilifeform I've come to terms with the giant manul not actually being giant (how did i not see that?!) .. decided we need to find someone proficient in GM to make it happen though 551753;1394307076;mircea_popescu;genetic modification ? 551754;1394307082;asciilifeform;moiety: once read a curious work on feline hybrids 551755;1394307082;moiety;yep 551756;1394307097;moiety;i know some have human blood today 551757;1394307106;asciilifeform;moiety: which suggested that, technically, there might only be a few distinct species of cat, in the sense of 'able to cross-breed' 551758;1394307145;asciilifeform;moiety: virtually all of the 'felis' genus has been cross-bred, across the board, and likewise 'panthera' 551759;1394307169;mircea_popescu;Here's something to quote at the Dr. Gregs of Bitcoin finance : "Inevitably, of course, business errors will occur and the wise manager will try to find the proper lessons in them. But the trick is to learn most lessons from the experiences of others. Managers who have learned much from personal experience in the past usually are destined to learn much from personal experience in the future." 551760;1394307180;moiety;even manul had to have been cross bred at some point 551761;1394307364;moiety;mircea_popescu: i thought this was real http://i.imgur.com/kvzzZn9.png it needs to be. In fact, it should replace your horse 551762;1394307406;asciilifeform;moiety: the original version of that had a caption: 'do you still want to dodge the [russian] draft?' 551763;1394307409;mircea_popescu;i only ride cats that shave. 551764;1394307435;moiety;LOLOL imagine how much more confy this one would be 551765;1394307439;moiety;comfy* 551766;1394307484;moiety;one more derp and i shall leave you in peace... can i ask a laser derp asciilifeform ? 551767;1394307485;asciilifeform;moiety: http://www.fotomage.com/giant-hybrid-cats 551768;1394307490;asciilifeform;moiety: sure 551769;1394307578;moiety;ligers are interesting, they can't breed i was under the impression 551770;1394307634;moiety;ok lasers, i aw a purple laser for the first time (side note of epic btw) and the site said, "comes into its own during a lunar eclipse." is there something actually in that because its purple or is that just a gimmick? 551771;1394307701;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: the banking crisis piece is on the talebian money. history doesn't repeat itself but it does rhyme. house=louse 551772;1394307701;asciilifeform;moiety: lasers used for circus purposes (draw picture in the air via persistence of vision) rely on 'rayleigh scattering' 551773;1394307711;asciilifeform;that is, the fact that air is not perfectly transparent 551774;1394307741;moiety;so just any laser is going to look better during an eclipse? 551775;1394307746;asciilifeform;yes 551776;1394307751;moiety;kk 551777;1394307752;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete i will take the other end of that view : it's unfair to make the blind the designated drivers of your bar hopping party 551778;1394307752;asciilifeform;especially ones of non-'ideal' colours 551779;1394307756;moiety;i still want one 551780;1394307758;asciilifeform;(that is, far from green) 551781;1394307766;mircea_popescu;it is equally unfair, and quite callous, to sign up for mortgages idiots whi ocan't afford them 551782;1394307810;bitcoinpete;or to tell them that they aren't men/adults/people w/o a mortgage 551783;1394307821;mircea_popescu;and so on. 551784;1394307825;moiety;thank you asciilifeform! 551785;1394307855;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://core.kmi.open.ac.uk/display/199266 551786;1394307864;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'The answer lies in the sewers' 551787;1394307886;bitcoinpete;400 million people weren't brought to North America for their shrewdness, just their escapism 551788;1394307893;asciilifeform;tldr version: there is a multitude of idiots. they have to be housed somewhere. or, they can be allowed to live in their own filth, like capt. aguilera suggested. 551789;1394307896;asciilifeform;but this too has costs. 551790;1394307914;mircea_popescu;they were housed somewhere at the time the clinton binge begun 551791;1394307942;asciilifeform;there were somewhat fewer of them. and more wealthy older generation to mooch from. 551792;1394307971;mircea_popescu;i suppose in its own contorted, braindamaged way, the left was preparing for the future. 551793;1394307975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.0039 = 0.1092 BTC [-] 551794;1394307986;moiety;i knew a girl that managed to get a mortgage working at walmart, i had no chance working nhs 551795;1394307990;asciilifeform;americans won't build хрущобаs, so they're stuck doing weird in-betweens. 551796;1394308046;mircea_popescu;moiety was she black ? 551797;1394308072;moiety;mircea_popescu: on the inside 551798;1394308075;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but ofcourse they do 551799;1394308126;mircea_popescu;http://ei.marketwatch.com/Multimedia/2011/06/14/Photos/MG/MW-AK786_homes__20110614143858_MG.jpg?uuid=9db88848-96b5-11e0-b7fe-002128049ad6 551800;1394308128;mircea_popescu;what do you think that is. 551801;1394308139;asciilifeform;plywood box 551802;1394308153;mircea_popescu;i don't think they still use wood 551803;1394308160;mircea_popescu;i think it's vinyl and recycled pet 551804;1394308163;asciilifeform;designed to stand up for ~2 decades, in good weather. 551805;1394308185;mircea_popescu;something like that. 551806;1394308323;asciilifeform;the 'secret' (not much of one) is that they deliberately build ultra-low-density housing in 'white' sectors, to keep it expensive. 551807;1394308352;asciilifeform;this is how the wool is trimmed from the relatively well-paid folks in u.s. 551808;1394308372;KRS-One;lol this shit is getting thick https://twitter.com/threebitidiot 551809;1394308436;mircea_popescu;is this one ALSO a vc and entreprteneur who thinks himself well known ? 551810;1394308463;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.08665897 = 0.6066 BTC [-] 551811;1394308580;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/6c57c112eefac0d9df5fb12d7208bdc7/tumblr_mvyq0mD6MQ1s3c388o1_500.jpg 551812;1394308724;asciilifeform;unrelated, 551813;1394308725;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/asnpvjM.gif 551814;1394308751;mircea_popescu;ahahaha kickass guy 551815;1394308811;mircea_popescu;actually spider legs is probably the best solution for robots. 551816;1394308857;asciilifeform;i've suggested it as 'landing gear' for flying bots, to diametric (who built an example of each at one point) 551817;1394308886;asciilifeform;then flyer can be quasi-autonomous (land on roofs, otherwise inaccessible places, etc. to recharge via photovoltaics sometimes) 551818;1394308889;mircea_popescu;yup, that'd work too 551819;1394308926;asciilifeform;landing gear for a serious flyer more or less has to be arachnoid, to handle non-ideal surfaces 551820;1394308929;asciilifeform;like treetops 551821;1394308943;asciilifeform;hobbyists very often lose their machines when it lands in any direction but props-upward 551822;1394309029;asciilifeform;circuit which turns the panels to face the sun must be independent of the rest of the machine 551823;1394309055;asciilifeform;for obvious reasons 551824;1394309073;moiety;pet lasers?! beats the purple one hands down! 551825;1394309106;mircea_popescu;moiety just think, one could code that thing to bother cats 551826;1394309114;mircea_popescu;the catsterminator 551827;1394309168;asciilifeform;one could handily build an approximation of the pictured toy from the guts of five or six 'steerable' webcams. 551828;1394309181;moiety;mircea_popescu: Plan! I appear to have two subjects ready for testing. though, you know it won't get rid of me forever, i'd come back and show you the results 551829;1394309218;mircea_popescu;just chase the spot. 551830;1394309242;asciilifeform;if you retain the cameras/optics in the legs, the machine can be easily programmed to always step on solid ground. 551831;1394309249;asciilifeform;(exercise for alert reader!) 551832;1394309286;moiety;it also needs eyes 551833;1394309298;mircea_popescu;btw, i don't recall if i ever showed diametric my toy anti-fly plan ? 551834;1394309306;asciilifeform;N+1 legs, lift a leg to use as 'eye'. 551835;1394309316;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08677323 = 0.2603 BTC [+] {3} 551836;1394309322;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1970s, 'MIT bugzapper' 551837;1394309335;mircea_popescu;no, i want artillery :D 551838;1394309344;asciilifeform;beam bounced around room by mirrors, ~1mW. if beam fails to land on sensor, cranks up to 50W. 551839;1394309364;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually 8 legs is prolly ideal. in rough conditions legs are used for navigation, like a spider. on normal situations two legs are used as depth perceptive eyes 551840;1394309374;mircea_popescu;there's a reason why "grazing" insects only need 6 551841;1394309404;asciilifeform;correct. 551842;1394309440;asciilifeform;and a handful of spare eyes, which normally face the earth, gives resilience against incoming enemy laser. 551843;1394309460;mircea_popescu;mhm 551844;1394309493;mircea_popescu;4chan wisdom ("what was seen cannot be unseen") provides an amply useful philosophical framework 551845;1394309494;moiety;i'm not planning on arming the cats to be fair 551846;1394309497;asciilifeform;clever designer can build a swarm, which uses the steerable cameras and lasers for intra-swarm comms 551847;1394309499;mircea_popescu;"only look when there's something you wish to see" 551848;1394309500;asciilifeform;immunity to jamming 551849;1394309560;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.10510929 = 2.1022 BTC [-] {6} 551850;1394309602;asciilifeform;to fly - foldable mylar membranes between the legs (ornithopter flight - rotors are lame) 551851;1394309670;asciilifeform;while on this flight of fancy, one can also consider flexible photovoltaics as the 'wings.' 551852;1394309691;mircea_popescu;mylar is expensive. 551853;1394309731;asciilifeform;you'd need 1 M^2 or so. 551854;1394309739;asciilifeform;unlikely to be a major factor in the cost of the machine 551855;1394309749;mircea_popescu;i guess youd make it real thin anyway 551856;1394309915;asciilifeform;disabled bird drives a nailgun round through its LiPo battery, explodes honourably. 551857;1394309919;asciilifeform;picture the epic battles. 551858;1394309962;moiety;lol 551859;1394309987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 816 @ 0.0001756 = 0.1433 BTC [-] {5} 551860;1394310019;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform perhaps too advanced yet, but! suppose the thing actually MADE its own polymers 551861;1394310025;mircea_popescu;grew wings, assembled batteries, 551862;1394310045;mircea_popescu;a replicant robot'd be pretty cool 551863;1394310155;asciilifeform;probably easier to use 'remote-controlled mouse' technique on organic birds 551864;1394310165;Mats_cd03;poops 551865;1394310168;asciilifeform;with added twist that a zombie can install the implant in a generic bird 551866;1394310317;*;moiety still thinks a cat botherer would be the best plan 551867;1394310333;mircea_popescu;" I hope you come to this years meeting, which will be held on May 20 in Omaha. There will be only one change: after 48 years of allegiance to another soft drink, your Chairman, in an unprecedented display of behavioral flexibility, has converted to the new Cherry Coke. Henceforth, it will be the Official Drink of the Berkshire Hathaway Annual Meeting." 551868;1394310337;mircea_popescu;AAHAHAHAHA cherry coke! 551869;1394310340;mircea_popescu;fail. 551870;1394310349;mircea_popescu;buffett's most shameful and abysmal fail ever! 551871;1394310438;kakobrekla;previous was normal coke? 551872;1394310472;mircea_popescu;yea 551873;1394310477;mircea_popescu;well maybe 551874;1394310490;mircea_popescu;who's to know, my hayseed was maybe drinking OmahaCola 551875;1394310661;moiety;not just one change, a distinct drop in respect and increase in hilarity this year 551876;1394310683;moiety;btctalks ads just get better.. trusted ponzi's now?! 551877;1394310689;bitcoinpete;even at his advanced age, still hustlin' for that cherry 551878;1394310738;benkay;en.bitcoin.it down for anyone else? 551879;1394310794;mod6;benkay: ya, (Can't contact the database server: Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111 (mysql)) 551880;1394310821;benkay;pro shit 551881;1394310873;moiety;https://bitcoinstarter.com/projects/618 just got asked about this. went through it asking what exactly they need money for until the guy says: well fuck im out of words. 551882;1394310874;ozbot;Bitcoinstarter - Bitcoin Crowdfunding | Creating Online Platform for Freelancers 551883;1394310923;moiety;6 devs apparently.... 551884;1394310961;benkay;*starter 551885;1394310964;benkay;didn't read 551886;1394310987;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete this is from 85 551887;1394311001;moiety;building freelance platform that is 60% complete. need 10btc benkay 551888;1394311019;benkay;lalalalala not reading moiety 551889;1394311022;mircea_popescu;^ 551890;1394311030;mircea_popescu;i wonder where pankkake went of late btw 551891;1394311036;moiety;lolol 551892;1394311037;mircea_popescu;i guess he's busy socking me on teh forum 551893;1394311057;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg5593296#msg5593296 551894;1394311058;mircea_popescu;epic 551895;1394311058;ozbot;[Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance? 551896;1394311121;mircea_popescu;also TIL MPOE-PR is 1.8687% of bitcointalk's scam accusationsboard. 551897;1394311135;mircea_popescu;she and 48 scammers keep that ship afloat. 551898;1394311193;benkay;;;tslb 551899;1394311195;gribble;Time since last block: 15 minutes and 27 seconds 551900;1394311236;mircea_popescu;from the "i'm a derp on the internet hear me roar" dept : "It is often noted that Barack Obama is an expert on constitutional law. That is better than the alternative, but it doesn't follow from that credential that he has a sound (or even benign) philosophical understanding of the constitution. Obama's credentials as a constitutional lawyer pale compared to those of Justice Antonin Scalia, for instance, and Scalia's p 551901;1394311236;mircea_popescu;hilosophical conception of the constitution is pernicious." 551902;1394311271;mircea_popescu;isn't it great that every hs drop-out / grocery packing specialist out there gets to judge the president and the supreme court justices ? 551903;1394311390;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.0039 = 0.1287 BTC [-] {4} 551904;1394311484;benkay;democracy! 551905;1394311486;benkay;;;tslb 551906;1394311488;gribble;Time since last block: 20 minutes and 20 seconds 551907;1394311512;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.00385 = 0.2657 BTC [-] {5} 551908;1394311573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.0037998 = 0.1938 BTC [-] {2} 551909;1394311634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00370001 = 0.37 BTC [-] 551910;1394311695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0037 = 0.185 BTC [-] 551911;1394311710;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: from the derpartment... 551912;1394311817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00365 = 0.1533 BTC [-] 551913;1394312000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0036277 = 0.1995 BTC [-] {2} 551914;1394312183;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0036277 = 0.3628 BTC [-] {2} 551915;1394312364;mircea_popescu;lol 551916;1394312731;mircea_popescu;According to Buffett's 2006 letter to Berkshire shareholders, Blue Chip had 1970 sales of $126 million as about 60 billion of "stamps were licked by savers, pasted into books, and taken to Blue Chip redemption stores." He also said, "When I was told that even certain brothels and mortuaries gave stamps to their patrons, I felt I had finally found a sure thing." Sales dropped to $19.4 million in 1980 and $1.5 million in 551917;1394312731;mircea_popescu;1990. In 2006, revenues came in at $25,920. 551918;1394312736;mircea_popescu;perhaps worse than the cherry cola. 551919;1394312785;mircea_popescu;"stay away from technology, we don't understand it. focus on stamps and wrigley's instead" 551920;1394313156;B007;I don't think anyone under 20 even knows what Blue Chip was 551921;1394313170;mircea_popescu;right. 551922;1394313172;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.3300 551923;1394313174;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings 551924;1394313177;mircea_popescu;o look, neo thread is nao about mpex. 551925;1394313182;mircea_popescu;!t h neobee 551926;1394313182;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00360000 / 0.00391815 / 0.00436789 (12032 shares, 47.14317801 BTC), 7D: 0.00360000 / 0.00438893 / 0.00559000 (97155 shares, 426.40610995 BTC), 30D: 0.00261000 / 0.0043987 / 0.00600000 (600459 shares, 2641.23710017 BTC) 551927;1394313189;mircea_popescu;understandably, i guess. 551928;1394313226;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=504677.0 551929;1394313228;ozbot;Another Bitcoin Exchange Bites The Dust: Vault of SatosHistory 551930;1394313228;mircea_popescu;and yet another bites the dust 551931;1394313290;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla check it out, firsts and shit : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=505226.msg5567104#msg5567104 551932;1394313294;mircea_popescu;we're like in 2012 over here. 551933;1394313302;mircea_popescu;or at least, the noobs are. 551934;1394313673;B007;"in order to be acknowledged as the single professional trading platform in the world for operations in cryptographic currencies." 551935;1394313763;ThickAsThieves;<kakobrekla> previous was normal coke? // pepsi, says his book 551936;1394313881;B007;http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/03/fans-raise-cash-for-dorian-nakamoto-irrespective-of-his-link-to-bitcoin/ 551937;1394313881;ozbot;Fans raise cash for Dorian Nakamoto, irrespective of his link to Bitcoin | Ars Technica 551938;1394313930;ThickAsThieves;I like how DrGreg goes "Have you noticed, MPOE-PR, that each and every time you have attempted to start a substantive argument with me of any kind, I have handed you your a** on a platter? " and then goes "The difference is, these folks have the class not to belabor the point, they have the class not to run around after you saying "hey, look at this joke I just made up about you, and 551939;1394313930;ThickAsThieves;I think it's really funny, and aren't I brilliant?"" in the same breath 551940;1394313938;asciilifeform;they ought to apologize by seppuku in front of his doorstep instead. 551941;1394314012;ThickAsThieves;he wants mpoe-pr to teach him more explicitly, rather than laugh that he doesn't read that icbit and gox are scams on his own 551942;1394314058;ThickAsThieves;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/07/fla-family-falls-ill-afte_n_4922728.html 551943;1394314096;ThickAsThieves;i guess the next LSD study results won't be publicly shared 551944;1394314119;thestringpuller;complete change of toppic 551945;1394314120;thestringpuller;lol 551946;1394314237;mircea_popescu;so wait, dr greg stockpicks by lsd ? 551947;1394314241;mircea_popescu;well... "stock" 551948;1394314275;asciilifeform;from the lulzfarm: 551949;1394314277;asciilifeform;http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9246814/U.S._spy_agencies_adopt_new_IT_approach 551950;1394314305;ThickAsThieves;do we need to read past "The CIA, for instance, is moving toward the cloud with the help of Amazon" 551951;1394314311;asciilifeform;nope. 551952;1394314333;mircea_popescu;anyway, the mpoe-pr thing is quite efficient, in that people who still confuse us two inadvertently manage to show about how much effort they're willing to put into research 551953;1394314339;mircea_popescu;splendid arrangement to my taste. 551954;1394314406;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wonder if it is unpatriotic to point out that generally speaking, the chinese military and perhaps others have been reading the us communications for a while now 551955;1394314415;mircea_popescu;they don't really need to wait for a snowden to come around 551956;1394314441;thestringpuller;i feel like that's just an ancillary effect in certain cases - i think there are people who are hell bent on proving MP === MPOE-PR and put plent of effort into researching that. nevertheless... 551957;1394314460;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller yeah but i mean... 551958;1394314471;ThickAsThieves;still follows mp's thought on it though\ 551959;1394314479;mircea_popescu;i guess so. kinda strange, it's like... why ? 551960;1394314490;ThickAsThieves;people willing to put more effort protecting being wrong 551961;1394314499;ThickAsThieves;than sorting what's right 551962;1394314514;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reading is for beginners. next step: writing. 551963;1394314533;mircea_popescu;it just sticks out as such an ill advised time and effort investment. 551964;1394314540;mircea_popescu;i mean, on one hand ample proof to the contrary is available 551965;1394314548;mircea_popescu;but even that aside... suppose you somehow prove she's me. nao what ? 551966;1394314564;thestringpuller;then they prove the moon landing was fake? 551967;1394314571;thestringpuller;I don't have time to think about that. 551968;1394314575;mircea_popescu;not even a lousy "mp is a hypocreat!11" sticks, it'd work out more like "omg mp is such a better troll than you" 551969;1394314592;mircea_popescu;it's just... obviously nobody bothered to think it through 551970;1394314607;Namworld;Dorian Nakamoto will get much more than a free lunch it seems. 551971;1394314621;thestringpuller;I thought you died Namworld lololol 551972;1394314637;ThickAsThieves;dorian ain't gettin free anything 551973;1394314667;Namworld;Yeah well I guess you can't really see it as free. 551974;1394314673;mircea_popescu;so is threebitidiot someone here ? 551975;1394314676;Namworld;I did? Oh, I shouldn't be here then. 551976;1394314677;mircea_popescu;and if so, is a 4th coming ? 551977;1394314692;ThickAsThieves;256bitIdiot? 551978;1394314707;ThickAsThieves;64bitIdiot at least? 551979;1394314712;mircea_popescu;at ;east 64 yeah 551980;1394314714;mircea_popescu;damn this typing 551981;1394314744;mircea_popescu;hm, iks it me or is bitbet bereft of its favicon nao ? 551982;1394314773;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014-info/leah-goodman/leah-goodman.htm 551983;1394314802;asciilifeform;gentlemen, start your engines 551984;1394314845;Namworld;Dibs on thirtytwobitidiot. I'll spread "Bitcoin hack tools to print Bitcoins" links replacing victims' OS with Windows ME. 551985;1394314845;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/442414522729775105 551986;1394314846;mircea_popescu;doine 551987;1394314923;ThickAsThieves;no one will do anything with her info anyway 551988;1394314926;ThickAsThieves;if they are smart 551989;1394314934;ThickAsThieves;well... 551990;1394314942;ThickAsThieves;nevermind 551991;1394314946;thestringpuller;not even sign her up for a bunch of porn magazine subscriptions? 551992;1394314955;ThickAsThieves;free pron? 551993;1394314978;mircea_popescu;im sure she'll get all the pizza she can eat 551994;1394314982;ThickAsThieves;she lives in a $175k house? 551995;1394314983;mircea_popescu;delivered nice and early 551996;1394314985;asciilifeform;perhaps woman posted this crap herself - hungers for free sympathy coin. 551997;1394314996;mircea_popescu;she did post it hereself 551998;1394314999;ThickAsThieves;oh in vermont 551999;1394315006;mircea_popescu;due to a keen understanding of how things work online 552000;1394315014;mircea_popescu;which she's displayed on other occasions too 552001;1394315031;ThickAsThieves;how come she has crackhead eyes anyway 552002;1394315035;ThickAsThieves;just one of those looks? 552003;1394315114;mircea_popescu;anyway, this seems like a normal mortgage you'd expect a 30something to be burdened by neh ? 552004;1394315121;*;asciilifeform wonders what the punishment for dredging up a correct satoshi would be. 552005;1394315129;Namworld;Apparently someone just used my email to register a My Wallet on blockchain.info... wtf? 552006;1394315140;mircea_popescu;http://cryptome.org/2014-info/leah-goodman/pict79.jpg asciilifeform weren't we discussing these before ? 552007;1394315147;Namworld;Looks like all links are the correct domain, no fishing there. 552008;1394315147;mircea_popescu;schmuquette paid 200k for that shit ?! 552009;1394315181;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not only that, but: 552010;1394315186;mircea_popescu;Saint Bonaventure University BAs, Journalism and Political Science; minors in Spanish, Fine Art 1994 1998 552011;1394315191;mircea_popescu;ahaha come on this is too easy. sbu ?! 552012;1394315197;ThickAsThieves;i only questioned the home price cause I assumed she was in a CA metro 552013;1394315211;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'said lot is conveyed subject to the restriction that no buildings shall be erected thereon nearer than 15 feet from the street line.' 552014;1394315226;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2014#551806 552015;1394315228;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 552016;1394315255;mircea_popescu;dujde srsly, it's an athletics only thing with like 2k people enrolled 552017;1394315265;mircea_popescu;this is basically Cocksucking University. 552018;1394315270;asciilifeform;spam school. 552019;1394315314;asciilifeform;'spam like a pro in 21 days.' 552020;1394315314;kakobrekla;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizda_%28chemical%29 552021;1394315314;ozbot;Pizda (chemical) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 552022;1394315315;mircea_popescu;so much lol 552023;1394315316;kakobrekla;so its true. 552024;1394315318;asciilifeform;ahahahaha 552025;1394315346;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: binging on 'lurkmore' ? 552026;1394315397;kakobrekla;i dont even 552027;1394315424;asciilifeform;http://lurkmore.to 552028;1394315425;ozbot;Lurkmore 552029;1394315439;asciilifeform;http://lurkmore.to/%D0%9F%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0 552030;1394315461;asciilifeform;http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1386142507004908 552031;1394315499;kakobrekla;cool 552032;1394315606;moiety;asciilifeform: https://www.combatcreatures.com/stryder 552033;1394315611;moiety;found it 552034;1394315837;ThickAsThieves;OpenEx ‏@_OpenEx_ 44m 552035;1394315837;ThickAsThieves;the damage: 552036;1394315837;ThickAsThieves;38k doge stolen. 552037;1394315837;ThickAsThieves;15 ltc. we'll update these numbers when we know more 552038;1394315856;mircea_popescu;mpoe-pr upon being showed the pizda chemical : "wait pizda is made of hos?" 552039;1394315862;ThickAsThieves;"The exchange is closing down. Its been a fun beta period but we need to go back to the drawing board for the good of our business/future. <3" 552040;1394315877;moiety;well theres a shock 552041;1394315894;mircea_popescu;see, two things they did right : 552042;1394315905;mircea_popescu;a) stuckj to play currency ; b) closed down when it became clear. 552043;1394316022;moiety;been as well just paying him 552044;1394316224;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://leahmcgrathgoodman.com/haters/ 552045;1394316227;mircea_popescu;kinda lulzy stuff. 552046;1394316401;mircea_popescu;"I would bet 0.1btc asicminer pays more in divs the following year." 552047;1394316406;mircea_popescu;SIXTY BUX 552048;1394316611;kakobrekla;call it an investment 552049;1394316680;ThickAsThieves;“Ms. McGrath…my apologies for saying this, you don’t have a clue that you are clueless. If you have the guts to debate me in the press, send me your email address and let’s have it out.” 552050;1394316750;ThickAsThieves;hey at least he wants to be 552051;1394316752;ThickAsThieves;bet 552052;1394316756;ThickAsThieves;make it happen 552053;1394316779;ThickAsThieves;maybe he loses $600 come resolution 552054;1394316838;kakobrekla;he wont bet really, not even .1 552055;1394317945;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla has it. 552056;1394318616;mircea_popescu;why do scammers manage to retain so little of the btc they scam ? well... "We also believe candor benefits us as managers: the CEO who misleads others in public may eventually mislead himself in private." 552057;1394319015;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 269 @ 0.000898 = 0.2416 BTC [+] 552058;1394319045;ThickAsThieves;mp you gonna start a elder scrolls online guild too? 552059;1394319076;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.00577999 = 0.2312 BTC [+] 552060;1394319086;ThickAsThieves;http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/703 552061;1394319158;mircea_popescu;i never got into that, 552062;1394319160;mircea_popescu;but why don't you start it ? 552063;1394319202;ThickAsThieves;i'm hoping i can avoid playing it at all 552064;1394319212;ThickAsThieves;otherwise 80-800 hours gone 552065;1394319255;Duffer1;i'm pretty disappointed in the latest crop of mmos 552066;1394319283;dexX7_;<ThickAsThieves> 38k doge stolen. < quite a few hacks recently. gox, bistamp, flexcoin, polioniex and openex 552067;1394319285;ThickAsThieves;i ran a guild once in WoW, started off okay, ended up a slave 552068;1394319397;mircea_popescu;i've been running a rift guild for what, 4 months ? 552069;1394319404;ThickAsThieves;Duffer1 this one looks okay, though it seems to borrow from Rift a bit 552070;1394319406;mircea_popescu;it has ~900 members, and i kick ass at it :D 552071;1394319424;mircea_popescu;also dominate the ah, but that's usually the case with me 552072;1394319424;ThickAsThieves;you must not participate in raiding 552073;1394319427;mircea_popescu;i do not. 552074;1394319437;mircea_popescu;i never do, i have 5-6 legatii milites to do it 552075;1394319489;Duffer1;i've watched some twitch footage of eso, it doesn't look like my type of game, but it's an mmo so i'll still probably play it a bit hehe 552076;1394319517;ThickAsThieves;i only play dota 2 really 552077;1394319520;Duffer1;leading raids reminds me of herding cats 552078;1394319529;ThickAsThieves;i like that it's just 45min and over 552079;1394319540;ThickAsThieves;yet you can play 100s of games and still learn 552080;1394319590;Duffer1;blizz's new moba looks like a lot of fun 552081;1394319594;mircea_popescu;raids are really too much like low level sales jobs. 552082;1394319599;mircea_popescu;at least to my taste. 552083;1394319628;ThickAsThieves;didnt know they had a moba, neat! 552084;1394319641;ThickAsThieves;that card game they have looks tarded 552085;1394319642;Duffer1;if you can get a core group of competent players on a set schedule then raiding can be a lot of fun 552086;1394319663;Duffer1;heroes of the storm i believe it's going to be called 552087;1394319664;ThickAsThieves;raiding is a paradox that can't be solved 552088;1394319674;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 but it still consists of following a set procedure and talking to people on the phone. 552089;1394319677;ThickAsThieves;it would be fun if you remove dthe shitty parts 552090;1394319683;ThickAsThieves;but the shitty parts are why people raid 552091;1394319684;cazalla;raiding is dead 552092;1394319714;Duffer1;it becomes more about the hanging out with friends than the raiding 552093;1394319721;cazalla;it's not really about skill, it's a social thing now 552094;1394319723;mircea_popescu;so then you suck at raiding. 552095;1394319729;ThickAsThieves;lol 552096;1394319731;ThickAsThieves;indeed 552097;1394319733;cazalla;look at the first year of WoW versus the pos it is now 552098;1394319757;mircea_popescu;cazalla didn't wow end up giving noobs max level just to prop their numbers for investors conference call ? 552099;1394319768;ThickAsThieves;when i was in a hardcore WoW guild, with real progression, the leader was a total drill sergeant 552100;1394319775;ThickAsThieves;probly cuz it's all that works 552101;1394319781;KRS-One;i tried WoW. hated it.. warcraft2 ftw. zug zug. 552102;1394319788;mircea_popescu;yeah, middle management for mcdonalds. 552103;1394319792;Duffer1;hehe 552104;1394319793;cazalla;ThickAsThieves: it worked well 552105;1394319798;mircea_popescu;"you gotta move the broom like so!" 552106;1394319822;cazalla;I did DKP for my guild, it was like taking the high school drop out and making him a cop 552107;1394319830;ThickAsThieves;hehe 552108;1394319836;ThickAsThieves;i made my own system for loot 552109;1394319850;ThickAsThieves;just to appease everyone 552110;1394319854;ThickAsThieves;you know how that ended up 552111;1394319884;cazalla;WoW didn't really compare to Everquest though, that game was social + hardcore, none of this soloing rubbish 552112;1394319890;ThickAsThieves;despite every subtlety to be fair, it never mattered 552113;1394319908;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves did you scam them ? 552114;1394319913;ThickAsThieves;never 552115;1394319923;Duffer1;cazz going to play eq next? 552116;1394319924;ThickAsThieves;you cant lead and get good loot 552117;1394319926;mircea_popescu;i wonder what thery say if i asked them :D 552118;1394319927;ThickAsThieves;pfff 552119;1394319950;ThickAsThieves;while they wouldnt say i scammed, many would say they disagreed with choices 552120;1394319957;cazalla;reputation mattered in everquest as well, doesn't matter for shit in WoW 552121;1394319981;ThickAsThieves;some veteren would show up after months away and expect the best loot, some noob would die first for 10 weeks and expect same drop 552122;1394320009;mircea_popescu;sounds legit. 552123;1394320012;ThickAsThieves;no one's happy unless they are getting loot 552124;1394320034;ThickAsThieves;only solution is, randomize the loot 552125;1394320038;cazalla;unless your item never drops 552126;1394320041;mircea_popescu;no one is happy unless they are getting more than they estimated they're worth, and everyone's overestimating his own importance. 552127;1394320049;cazalla;bow off chromagg never dropped for me in 2 years :\ 552128;1394320054;mircea_popescu;that's why governments which make a point of subjects' hapiness never end well. 552129;1394320072;ThickAsThieves;it's odd that these games never implemented their own DKP systems 552130;1394320074;mircea_popescu;cazalla why not just buy it 552131;1394320083;ThickAsThieves;i guess drama builds adoption 552132;1394320090;ThickAsThieves;just like btc 552133;1394320094;cazalla;wasn't something you could buy mircea_popescu 552134;1394320097;mircea_popescu;ew 552135;1394320110;mircea_popescu;see, this is fucktarded. i would never play a game where you can't buy everything 552136;1394320122;mircea_popescu;it is an insult to everything i hold right proper and important. 552137;1394320130;ThickAsThieves;surely rift has raid-only drops 552138;1394320138;Duffer1;bind on pickup has it's place though surely 552139;1394320147;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 bind on equip. 552140;1394320164;mircea_popescu;bind on pickup is offensive, i'd rather date leah. 552141;1394320169;cazalla;mircea_popescu: there was a server in EQ like that which allowed everything to be traded so there was a lot of buying/selling going on for that server 552142;1394320172;mircea_popescu;with her oblong trucker stop face. 552143;1394320172;Duffer1;ha 552144;1394320174;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 51 @ 0.00577999 = 0.2948 BTC [+] 552145;1394320264;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves rift is of the azn economic persuasion 552146;1394320278;mircea_popescu;(it has like 50+ currency types, it's insane, tokens of this, tokens of that) 552147;1394320332;Duffer1;is there no bind on pickup in rift? i only played the beta 552148;1394320333;ThickAsThieves;but no raid-only drops? 552149;1394320339;ThickAsThieves;i find that very hard to believe 552150;1394320350;ThickAsThieves;raiders must feel special 552151;1394320394;cazalla;yes, i must feel superior to the scrubs 552152;1394320404;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves there's raid-only materials 552153;1394320407;mircea_popescu;required in crafting 552154;1394320417;mircea_popescu;afaik nothing is bound unless you equip it 552155;1394320429;mircea_popescu;thre are some bound to char/acct stuff you buy via the fiat shop 552156;1394320436;ThickAsThieves;but no Legendary Shield of Final Boss? 552157;1394320450;mircea_popescu;well in fairness i craft epic items and moist everyone doesn't have them 552158;1394320456;mircea_popescu;there's no relics crafted yet, too expensive 552159;1394320466;mircea_popescu;there's legendary and i think 2 more rarities past that 552160;1394320472;mircea_popescu;so plenty of room for surprises. 552161;1394320494;ThickAsThieves;these Bliz moba videos arent very compelling 552162;1394320523;ThickAsThieves;it's funny how Dota basically riffed off Bliz characters already 552163;1394320531;ThickAsThieves;so now the Bliz moba feels deriviative 552164;1394320537;ThickAsThieves;(sp) 552165;1394320540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 36 @ 0.004597 = 0.1655 BTC [+] 552166;1394320549;mircea_popescu;derivative 552167;1394320576;Duffer1;how does bitcoin integrate to your guild MP? 552168;1394320597;cazalla;bliz moba will just be another social game with a shop so you can spend more money on flair 552169;1394320607;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 you can buy plat for it 552170;1394320639;cazalla;i hope and mmo brings bitcoin into a game and does away with their own in game currency, that'd be interesting in a game with a solid crafting system 552171;1394320643;cazalla;an* 552172;1394320650;mircea_popescu;cazalla you heard of s.mg ? 552173;1394320653;Duffer1;i see 552174;1394320674;cazalla;is that your mmo? 552175;1394320674;ThickAsThieves;i'd play dota 2 way more if btc was on the line 552176;1394320686;cazalla;i saw pics of that on your blog i believe unless i'm wrong, forget the name 552177;1394320691;mircea_popescu;cazalla it's this company that's been working for half a year at making a bitcoin based mmo 552178;1394320698;mircea_popescu;with a strong crafting system 552179;1394320709;mircea_popescu;exacrtly what you were describing 552180;1394320710;cazalla;what's the name again 552181;1394320715;cazalla;of the game 552182;1394320720;mircea_popescu;eulora 552183;1394320742;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves im pretty sure you'll be hooked once it's playable. 552184;1394320752;mircea_popescu;imo the only games worth playing anymore are btc games, if well done. 552185;1394320829;Duffer1;do people actually buy plat for btc? 552186;1394320836;Duffer1;er with* 552187;1394320866;ThickAsThieves;i almost wanna get into 3d modelling just to bank off all the hat buyers 552188;1394320875;ThickAsThieves;modeling 552189;1394320877;Duffer1;hehe 552190;1394320899;cazalla;ugh hats 552191;1394320905;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves will be a good skill ot have, get btc off smg too 552192;1394320938;ThickAsThieves;i imagine i have good base knowledge with years of vector art experience in 2d 552193;1394320994;cazalla;i wonder if using bitcoin as in-game currency would stop mudflation 552194;1394320996;wao-ender;http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aWZ2z4x_700b_v1.jpg 552195;1394321012;mircea_popescu;cazalla thats the plan 552196;1394321016;wao-ender;cazalla: is there problem to make it as in-app payments? 552197;1394321029;wao-ender;I think it's happening already 552198;1394321064;cazalla;wao-ender: depends if it's only used to buy products from the company or if players can do trade 552199;1394321086;wao-ender;ex. buy levels in game, buy experience, skills.. 552200;1394321112;cazalla;i hate that sort of thing 552201;1394321129;cazalla;allow players to buy/sell items or w/e else they find in the world but that's it 552202;1394321134;wao-ender;wait, you don't remember how shareware worked few decades ago? 552203;1394321146;cazalla;no, i had full version of stuff 552204;1394321175;cazalla;paying to upgrade skills or levels is pay to win 552205;1394321197;wao-ender;that's what consumers want, easy win 552206;1394321198;ThickAsThieves;i think a certain amount of paying to level is fine 552207;1394321201;cazalla;buying/selling items that i find legitimately in game is just common sense 552208;1394321212;ThickAsThieves;particularly in a game like WoW 552209;1394321215;wao-ender;obviously, retards will pay. 552210;1394321241;cazalla;ThickAsThieves: you end up with more idiots who don't know how to play their class that way 552211;1394321252;ThickAsThieves;well i said a certain amount 552212;1394321254;ThickAsThieves;let me explain 552213;1394321267;ThickAsThieves;for example once youve max lvl'd 552214;1394321291;ThickAsThieves;let me roll another character without doing every stupid quest again 552215;1394321309;ThickAsThieves;it's insulting 552216;1394321315;wao-ender;it's imba, right. 552217;1394321349;cazalla;you need to make the leveling process slow if you do it that way imo 552218;1394321370;cazalla;just so that it actually means something to have a max level character 552219;1394321399;ThickAsThieves;sure, maybe the first time, and less and less each time after 552220;1394321413;Duffer1;i like how wow eventually tackled that problem 552221;1394321416;ThickAsThieves;likein WoW, there was often a shortage of tanks and healers 552222;1394321426;ThickAsThieves;so i had to roll them myself as leader 552223;1394321428;cazalla;although i will agree that with an older game like WoW, it makes sense to let people buy levels as it's population heavy at the top end 552224;1394321435;ThickAsThieves;fuck me if i'm gonna spend all the time to level 552225;1394321440;Duffer1;with legacy honor gear that's tradable to your alts that give massive xp bonuses 552226;1394321440;ThickAsThieves;i just bought more accounts 552227;1394321472;ThickAsThieves;they introduced that around the time i stopped playing 552228;1394321489;ThickAsThieves;wraith king expansion 552229;1394321499;Duffer1;ya they introduced it wayyyy too late 552230;1394321505;cazalla;i quit after that wotlk, far too much hand holding, it became really boring 552231;1394321517;Duffer1;same 552232;1394321528;ThickAsThieves;and they got very lazy on raid design 552233;1394321532;ThickAsThieves;like the Arena raid 552234;1394321533;ThickAsThieves;ugh 552235;1394321534;Duffer1;i have no interest in mists of pandas or the new one 552236;1394321567;cazalla;i'm looking forward to EQN but i doubt it'll be as hardcore as the original, that's not so bad once you have kids though 552237;1394321576;ThickAsThieves;it's also insulting how often they'd reuse models 552238;1394321583;Duffer1;eqn looks very interesting 552239;1394321629;ThickAsThieves;it seems stupid, but dota 2 letting you buy outfits is such a better solution then just not designing new ones 552240;1394321633;ThickAsThieves;than 552241;1394321666;cazalla;yet to play that but i assume outfits are just their version of LoL skins? 552242;1394321696;ThickAsThieves;dota 2 is very much like LoL yes 552243;1394321712;ThickAsThieves;in LoL i think it's entire outfits 552244;1394321718;ThickAsThieves;where in dota it's pieces 552245;1394321729;ThickAsThieves;like hat or clothes or helmet 552246;1394321737;cazalla;that sounds better 552247;1394321740;ThickAsThieves;but they let you replace entire parts really 552248;1394321760;ThickAsThieves;and models can add particle effects etc 552249;1394321770;ThickAsThieves;some even come with new voice acting 552250;1394321813;ThickAsThieves;i'm not terribly familiar with LoL, even though it's more popular 552251;1394321817;ThickAsThieves;i hat ethe art style 552252;1394321827;ThickAsThieves;that borderlands kinda shit 552253;1394321834;ThickAsThieves;ugly 552254;1394321835;Duffer1;woah 552255;1394321838;Duffer1;woah 552256;1394321838;cazalla;i don't mind it 552257;1394321857;Duffer1;borderlands art is infinitely better than lol 552258;1394321860;Duffer1;LoL 552259;1394321861;cazalla;disagree it's borderlands type though as i hate that style too 552260;1394321865;ThickAsThieves;i dont play that either 552261;1394321867;ThickAsThieves;sorry 552262;1394321882;ThickAsThieves;LoL just looks cheap 552263;1394321894;Duffer1;i agree 552264;1394321894;ThickAsThieves;dota 2 is much better 552265;1394321919;cazalla;cheap runs on more computers which i would guess is why it's so popular, it'll run on a calculator 552266;1394321922;Duffer1;try the first borderlands if you're into rpgs 552267;1394321934;ThickAsThieves;basically dota 2 riffed off WoW and removed some of the cartoony aspects 552268;1394321965;ThickAsThieves;like everything being super blocky 552269;1394321984;ThickAsThieves;just cuz 3d designers are super lazy 552270;1394321989;ThickAsThieves;or underpaid 552271;1394322006;Duffer1;or bad :P 552272;1394322012;ThickAsThieves;ya 552273;1394322053;Duffer1;in wow i always got the sense that the texture artists were really unhappy with the models they got 552274;1394322072;ThickAsThieves;i dont see how they could not be the same team 552275;1394322088;ThickAsThieves;i think their budget was just nil 552276;1394322151;Duffer1;it's like they had one modeller doing everything, who's style showed throughout every piece of gear, and the rest of the team were disgruntled texture artists 552277;1394322193;Duffer1;i don't miss wow hehe, i do miss cracking out on a good mmo though, it's been a really long time 552278;1394322203;ThickAsThieves;it sounds silly but ugly models definitely contributed to me losing interest in raiding too 552279;1394322212;ThickAsThieves;they didnt appreciate vanity enough 552280;1394322219;Duffer1;exactly 552281;1394322226;ThickAsThieves;as LoL and Dota make quite clear 552282;1394322253;Duffer1;if you're going to make every lvl 80 character class look the same in end game then you better damned well make them look good 552283;1394322258;ThickAsThieves;illidan warglaives probly made them millions of $ 552284;1394322272;Duffer1;ha probably 552285;1394322276;ThickAsThieves;10s of millions maybe 552286;1394322559;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves alternatively, don't allow a second character at all. 552287;1394322603;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unrelated - from what part of the world is mpoepr ? 552288;1394322615;mircea_popescu;california 552289;1394322658;asciilifeform;flower in the desert. 552290;1394322668;ThickAsThieves;how do you disallow more characters whilst allowing new accounts? 552291;1394322689;mircea_popescu;for instance by removing the incentive to make one 552292;1394322707;mircea_popescu;why do you want to play anything other than your character anyway ? because inept game design introduced artificial barriers perhaps ? 552293;1394322722;ThickAsThieves;what if i wanna have a druid AND a vampire? 552294;1394322743;mircea_popescu;well your druid will die anyway, and permadeath 552295;1394322744;Duffer1;i had one of every class to learn pvp weaknesses 552296;1394322746;mircea_popescu;you can make his kid a vampire 552297;1394322772;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform california is a big place you know 552298;1394322782;ThickAsThieves;mp did you ever play that iOS game where every time you die you are the son? 552299;1394322791;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves no ? 552300;1394322800;mircea_popescu;i don't think i ever played an ios game 552301;1394322803;ThickAsThieves;whats it called someone help me 552302;1394322809;mircea_popescu;http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/teen-charged-killing-parents-california-mansion-article-1.1714754 552303;1394322829;ThickAsThieves;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity_Blade 552304;1394322829;ozbot;Infinity Blade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 552305;1394322856;ThickAsThieves;you pass on your armory 552306;1394322858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5409 @ 0.00083137 = 4.4969 BTC [+] 552307;1394322865;ThickAsThieves;so your son can fight the good fight 552308;1394322865;mircea_popescu;sounds like eulora. 552309;1394322892;ThickAsThieves;simple but cool game 552310;1394322897;ThickAsThieves;made tons of $ 552311;1394322914;asciilifeform;from the same rag, 'Canadian man who poked holes in condoms to impregnate girlfriend loses appeal' 552312;1394322921;cazalla;ThickAsThieves: rogue legacy? 552313;1394322932;ThickAsThieves;Infinity Blade 552314;1394322957;asciilifeform;'Army captain cries during generals court martial over alleged sex misconduct' 552315;1394322968;mircea_popescu;"The two went through a contentious divorce in 1999 but remained friends, business partners and housemates sharing the $3.7 million, six bedroom, eight bathroom home." 552316;1394322972;mircea_popescu;someone needs to explain this open 552317;1394322974;Duffer1;holy shit MP it's Donna's parents from That 70s Show 552318;1394322974;mircea_popescu;one* 552319;1394322976;asciilifeform;damn, i should read the u.s. fishwraps more often, full of lulz 552320;1394323043;Duffer1;http://images2.fanpop.com/images/polls/248000/248307_1244328184341_full.jpg 552321;1394323119;mircea_popescu;gee it must suck for that 8yo. 552322;1394323127;mircea_popescu;parents killed, paralyzed, enjoy your fambly estate. 552323;1394323370;Duffer1;at least he didn't unload at a school 552324;1394323407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00083488 = 38.154 BTC [+] {5} 552325;1394323453;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zx9zj/arthur_nakamoto_my_brother_dorian_satoshi_nakamoto/ 552326;1394323454;ozbot;Arthur Nakamoto: My brother, Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto... : Bitcoin 552327;1394323542;ThickAsThieves;checl out these ads http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/8/5485006/colorado-releases-new-drugged-driving-ad-campaign 552328;1394323623;asciilifeform;http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/8/5483774/the-cupid-drone-strikes-with-80000-volts-to-the-chest 552329;1394323623;ozbot;The CUPID drone strikes with 80,000 volts to the chest | The Verge 552330;1394323807;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform journos must seriously be going to a special retardation school. 552331;1394323819;mircea_popescu;i have no idea what sort of reverse midas effect this is, but it's uncanny 552332;1394323827;mircea_popescu;any topic they touch turns to shit 552333;1394323834;asciilifeform;they go to spam school. 552334;1394323836;asciilifeform;must be. 552335;1394323879;ThickAsThieves;getting tased for demo is so stupid 552336;1394323899;ThickAsThieves;i did a police ride-along and demo day once 552337;1394323912;mircea_popescu;http://www.insideworldfootball.com/world-football/europe/14238-popescu-jailed-as-romanian-judge-hammers-football-fraudsters 552338;1394323913;ozbot;Popescu jailed as Romanian judge hammers football fraudsters - Inside World Football 552339;1394323917;ThickAsThieves;why would you ever volunteer to be tased? 552340;1394323932;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves people volunteer for women in heels to walk all over their ballsack. 552341;1394323937;mircea_popescu;what do you want, people are strange. 552342;1394323967;asciilifeform;if i recall, some u.s. police academies require taking a shot from a taser. 552343;1394323998;ThickAsThieves;yeah 552344;1394324003;ThickAsThieves;so they know what they are dishing out 552345;1394324028;mircea_popescu;did they do that back in the gun days toio ? 552346;1394324046;mircea_popescu;also, tasers are stupid easy to counteract. no idea why anyone thinks they're effective or anything. 552347;1394324049;asciilifeform;they should require a firing squad with at least plastic rounds. 552348;1394324081;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: taser came out of a fad for 'humane' police gear. 552349;1394324110;mircea_popescu;http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/151067206670?lpid=82 552350;1394324111;ozbot;Blackend Chainmail Shirt Butted Chain Mail Armor Costume Chainmaille Medium Size | eBay 552351;1394324114;mircea_popescu;$100 dollars. 552352;1394324119;ThickAsThieves;yeah now these drone vid guys wanna sort humane help for cops 552353;1394324124;ThickAsThieves;surreal 552354;1394324128;mircea_popescu;what's a taser cost, 2k ? 552355;1394324136;ThickAsThieves;less 552356;1394324139;asciilifeform;no need for chainmail, an ordinary greatcoat does fine 552357;1394324141;ThickAsThieves;depends on strength i guess 552358;1394324149;ThickAsThieves;and charge 552359;1394324156;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, you want to short it. 552360;1394324166;mircea_popescu;nothing quite like the shit exploding in the cop's hands 552361;1394324188;ThickAsThieves;yeah then he'll shoot you for real 552362;1394324190;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: short doesn't do much - modern electric shocker works the way a photo flash does - charge a cap, and let it short through the victim 552363;1394324201;asciilifeform;(victim in place of xenon tube) 552364;1394324227;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves double the chain with kevlar, he can shoot you till he gets bored. 552365;1394324250;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is true. 552366;1394324250;asciilifeform;a while ago i mentioned tommyguns that were sent to russia during 'lend-lease' 552367;1394324257;asciilifeform;there is a curious tale about those 552368;1394324278;asciilifeform;at one point, two drunken grunts decided to have a duel with them 552369;1394324303;asciilifeform;both got away with broken ribs and a penal battalion sentence. 552370;1394324336;ThickAsThieves;standing too far apart? 552371;1394324347;ThickAsThieves;or rigged weapons? 552372;1394324363;asciilifeform;(they wore the traditional heavy greatcoats) 552373;1394324369;asciilifeform;soft, slow .45. 552374;1394324400;mircea_popescu;what, and it failed to penetrate ? 552375;1394324404;asciilifeform;correct. 552376;1394324412;mircea_popescu;that's trollage. 552377;1394324444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15440 @ 0.00083906 = 12.9551 BTC [+] {2} 552378;1394324445;asciilifeform;the first bullet proof vests were, after all... silk. 552379;1394324447;mircea_popescu;the round, even historical, is closely subsonic. 552380;1394324479;ThickAsThieves;here russia, take all these guns, they work fine trust me! 552381;1394324490;mircea_popescu;;;calc 300**2 * .2 / 2 552382;1394324490;gribble;9000 552383;1394324505;mircea_popescu;9kJ. srsly nao. 552384;1394324507;ThickAsThieves;inspection shows barrels riddled with grainy bits 552385;1394324526;moiety;we had a bren but we arent allowed it back with out getting the licence redone in England 552386;1394324533;asciilifeform;'v' is more important than 'm' here. 552387;1394324580;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform most .45 fires at around 300km/h 552388;1394324588;ThickAsThieves;maybe it was a joke never properly explained, they threw the guns at eachother 552389;1394324592;mircea_popescu;even taking a more historically accurate 200 km/h which is what i did... 552390;1394324608;mircea_popescu;or meant to do... 552391;1394324655;asciilifeform;there could be many explanation for the story, assuming it took place as described 552392;1394324676;asciilifeform;but it is not entirely implausible 552393;1394325161;asciilifeform;i also recall accounts of 45acp failing to perforate NK soldiers during korean war 552394;1394325178;asciilifeform;but, i wasn't there, did not see this alive. 552395;1394325241;mircea_popescu;what is this, some martial arts fascination ? 552396;1394325259;mircea_popescu;a .45 round will go through an engine block, let alone some bloke 552397;1394325261;asciilifeform;brought it up because of the taser/coat question. 552398;1394325291;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what do you load yours with, titanium ? 552399;1394325293;mircea_popescu;i just can't conceive how that'd happen. maybe if the round was hand filled with dust ? 552400;1394325406;mircea_popescu;what is it, copper mostly 552401;1394325440;mircea_popescu;copper-nickel w/e 552402;1394325504;asciilifeform;for those concerned with the question of what will or won't go through X, 'youtube' is the place. 552403;1394325542;asciilifeform;(well actually, the correct place is a deserted junkyard. but the next best thing) 552404;1394325599;mircea_popescu;i suppose in an extremely rare case a shot could ricochet of a rib or something, but srsly nao. 552405;1394326031;mike_c;mythbusters has done a bunch of shows on "is it bulletproof" 552406;1394326072;asciilifeform;ballistics testing is possibly the #1 hobby of youtube folks 552407;1394326075;asciilifeform;quality varies 552408;1394326098;mircea_popescu;i would guess this'd be because a gun is pretty much the coolest toy adults can afford. 552409;1394326124;mircea_popescu;all those "guns are not toys" adds backfired i guess 552410;1394326142;asciilifeform;it's a variant on 'ricing' 552411;1394326152;asciilifeform;(people who endlessly fidget with their cars) 552412;1394326174;mircea_popescu;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417217/quotes?item=qt0158941 << re this excellent pacino performance : 552413;1394326174;ozbot;Two for the Money (2005) - Quotes - IMDb 552414;1394326182;mircea_popescu;people seem to have taken the smoking kills adds the same way 552415;1394326193;mircea_popescu;"well it DOES kill people, and it HASN'T killed me, 552416;1394326198;mircea_popescu;therefore i am special 552417;1394326203;mircea_popescu;ergo smoking makes me special" 552418;1394326205;B007;smoking is way down in the us 552419;1394326208;asciilifeform;there's also 'mortido' (as in libido) 552420;1394326211;B007;idk about europe 552421;1394326218;mircea_popescu;B007 depends how you measure it. 552422;1394326234;B007;less people per 1000? 552423;1394326243;asciilifeform;folks who don't get their 'dietary minimum' of 'millideaths per day' tend to get edgy. 552424;1394326280;mircea_popescu;PM was trading ~50 a share in 2008 and is trading ~90 a share now 552425;1394326316;mircea_popescu;31bn revenue / 8bn net 552426;1394326328;mircea_popescu;about 7x as big as facebook, to put it in terms readily digestible by the online crowd 552427;1394326342;mircea_popescu;much better profit margin, too. twice as good, in fact. 552428;1394326424;mircea_popescu;BTI is probably a better example. ~5 per share in the 80s, 100+ per share now. 552429;1394326449;B007;I which I could get in....tfw no money 552430;1394326456;B007;*wish 552431;1394326469;mircea_popescu;~25bn gross ~6bn net, so roughly 4x facebook. 552432;1394326489;mircea_popescu;so there you have it : smoking is down and the industry makes a degree of magnitude more than social media. 552433;1394326494;mircea_popescu;who's killing who here ? 552434;1394326566;B007;thats accually a good point, but it is still true that smoking in the us is down 552435;1394326589;B007;I never stated anything about profits or size compared to fb 552436;1394326617;mircea_popescu;so what do you mean, smoking as a behaviour ? 552437;1394326621;mircea_popescu;fucking is also down in the us. 552438;1394326632;mircea_popescu;and making sense. and making money. and generally everything. 552439;1394326649;B007;ummm 552440;1394326653;mircea_popescu;it's what happens when places go to shit. everything goes down. 552441;1394326823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00086507 = 10.7269 BTC [+] 552442;1394326885;B007;yeah, but Romania gdp 169,400 vs US 15,680,000 552443;1394326914;B007;we have about the same gdp as all of europe 552444;1394326980;asciilifeform;'Industry is the only true source of wealth, and there was no industry in Rome. By day the Ostia road was crowded with carts and muleteers, carrying to the great city the silks and spices of the East, the marble of Asia Minor, the timber of the Atlas, the grain of Africa and Egypt; and the carts brought nothing out but loads of dung. That was their return cargo. London turns dirt into gold. Rome turned gold int 552445;1394326980;asciilifeform;o dirt.' 552446;1394327004;asciilifeform;(reade's 'martyrdom of man') 552447;1394327012;asciilifeform;s/rome/usa 552448;1394327028;B007;yes, we still have huge industries 552449;1394327033;B007;in case you weren't aware 552450;1394327061;asciilifeform;well, there's pointing a gun at people to make them pay for copied bits 552451;1394327070;asciilifeform;and then there's building the gun 552452;1394327094;asciilifeform;and, mostly completing the list, maintaining infrastructure (sort of!) 552453;1394327219;mircea_popescu;B007 what huge industry were you tihnking about ? 552454;1394327232;mircea_popescu;they can't even run a paper mill for chrissakes. 552455;1394327270;asciilifeform;'arse-mouth loop system' economy. 552456;1394327356;mircea_popescu;my grandfather was a mayor, and a bunch of other things, but the one true source of public respect was that he owned and operated an american mill 552457;1394327382;mircea_popescu;it was like... people actually came an extra distance with oxen fucking carts just because of that cool. 552458;1394327412;mircea_popescu;then there was a war and a number of unfortunate choices... and by today people may want japanese stuff, 552459;1394327426;mircea_popescu;but i can't readily think of anything which'd be improved by being made in the us. 552460;1394327430;mircea_popescu;perhaps a cuisinart ? 552461;1394327432;asciilifeform;how quickly the 'cool' goes. 552462;1394327466;mircea_popescu;they don't really make the cuisinarts in the us anymore do they 552463;1394327482;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mine certainly wasn't. 552464;1394327484;asciilifeform;100% chicom 552465;1394327505;mircea_popescu;not even a cuisinart. 552466;1394327543;mircea_popescu;The trademark is a subsidiary of and owned by Conair Corporation which acquired the brand following Cuisinart's bankruptcy in 1989. 552467;1394327545;mircea_popescu;heh. 552468;1394327571;mircea_popescu;the consumer appliance that inspired jobs. 552469;1394327578;mircea_popescu;how quickly the cool goes... 552470;1394327597;Duffer1;if you want it to taste really good and take 30 years off the average life span of your customers.. and be dirt cheap, then you want american expertise 552471;1394327610;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the four little green RNGs were made at a u.s. plant. cost: ~their weight in pure gold. 552472;1394327627;asciilifeform;(the boards alone!) 552473;1394327651;mircea_popescu;well at least that gold didnt turn into pure shit. 552474;1394327703;asciilifeform;i think every other customer of that place is part of the DOD wankatron. 552475;1394327713;asciilifeform;no one else in his right mind has anything made here 552476;1394327754;asciilifeform;visit the web site of any u.s. pcb maker, they're all decorated with pictures of fighter jets, boats, etc. 552477;1394327783;mike_c;PM is actually international only, no US. 552478;1394327799;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07900102 = 0.158 BTC [-] {2} 552479;1394327815;mircea_popescu;mike_c it doesn't sell in the us ?! 552480;1394327827;mike_c;they split it up. NYSE:PM is intl only 552481;1394327847;mike_c;I believe Altria holds PM USA 552482;1394327851;mircea_popescu;no lm, no marlboro ? 552483;1394327852;mircea_popescu;oh 552484;1394327856;Duffer1;ya altria 552485;1394327866;mike_c;although they have done well over the last few years too 552486;1394327892;mircea_popescu;mike_c yeah it doesn't substantially alter the argument 552487;1394327908;mike_c;i thought it would, but it does not. altria has doubled over the last few years 552488;1394327909;mircea_popescu;in fact, it bolsters it : intl only pm does substantially equally well as the us-only pm 552489;1394327990;mircea_popescu;hahahaha this is hysterical : 552490;1394327998;mircea_popescu;USA tobacco18,474 / 4,812 552491;1394328011;mircea_popescu;International tobacco48,260/ 8,458 552492;1394328024;mircea_popescu;usa tobaccomuch more productive. i guess bans help indeed. 552493;1394328063;mike_c;it's interesting, because i have always heard anecedotally that taxes were killing US tobacco. i guess i heard it from the tobacco lobby :) 552494;1394328072;mircea_popescu;i guess you must have yeah. 552495;1394328531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.079 = 0.553 BTC [-] {3} 552496;1394328832;joecool;altria is PM rebranded, they are the same 552497;1394328836;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07900001 = 0.553 BTC [+] {2} 552498;1394328837;moiety;when is BB back? 552499;1394328853;joecool;altria, rj reylolds, and lorillard i think are the big 3 552500;1394329080;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 99 @ 0.0056 = 0.5544 BTC [-] {4} 552501;1394329695;mike_c;not rebranded, they split up their domestic and international business. 552502;1394330273;joecool;Philip Morris International was split from Philip Morris USA in March 2008. < ah missed that 552503;1394330971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.021 = 0.189 BTC [+] 552504;1394331543;bitcoinpete;In which I figure out how to use footnotes: 552505;1394331545;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/what-is-business-the-roman-catholic-church-for-one/ 552506;1394331546;ozbot;What Is Business? The Roman Catholic Church, For One | When Bitcoin Met Pete 552507;1394331642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00084721 = 5.6763 BTC [-] 552508;1394331682;MisterE;nothing worse than a flat market 552509;1394331686;MisterE;fucking dead calm 552510;1394332874;Mats_cd03;on the subject of death 552511;1394332877;Mats_cd03;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort 552512;1394332878;ozbot;Micromort - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 552513;1394332980;Mats_cd03;> a unit of risk measuring a one-in-a-million probability of death 552514;1394332982;Mats_cd03;> Activities that increase the death risk by roughly one micromort, and their associated cause of death: 552515;1394332986;Mats_cd03;> Eating 100 charcoal-broiled steaks (cancer from benzopyrene) 552516;1394332995;Mats_cd03;> Travelling 230 miles (370 km) by car 552517;1394333004;Mats_cd03;> Travelling 6000 miles (9656 km) by train 552518;1394333016;Mats_cd03;> Travelling 1000 miles (1600 km) by jet 552519;1394333161;MisterE;Mats_cd03: are you an insurance adjuster? 552520;1394333221;chetty_;crossing the street? 552521;1394333458;asciilifeform;chetty_: russian roulette, ~143,000 micromorts. 552522;1394333531;asciilifeform;(an american would think: ~167,000 but he's wrong.) 552523;1394333838;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00395 = 0.237 BTC [-] {2} 552524;1394333899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07899998 = 0.316 BTC [-] {2} 552525;1394334242;Mats_cd03;no im not an insurance adjuster 552526;1394334814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6442 @ 0.00084721 = 5.4577 BTC [-] 552527;1394334936;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 273 @ 0.00055003 = 0.1502 BTC [-] {2} 552528;1394334997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.046 = 0.138 BTC [+] 552529;1394336522;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00084676 = 6.6894 BTC [-] 552530;1394337719;KRS-One;damn near perfect: 552531;1394337719;KRS-One;http://www.donnaperfetta.com/db/_pic/michelle-hunziker/8f4d567cd77373334e39e58ed775b2c3.jpg 552532;1394338047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.02294999 = 0.3672 BTC [+] {2} 552533;1394338162;MisterE;US warns Russia not to annex Crimea: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26501716 552534;1394338169;MisterE;Little late for that eh? 552535;1394338230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 125 @ 0.0057548 = 0.7194 BTC [-] {4} 552536;1394338352;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04652498 = 0.4652 BTC [+] {8} 552537;1394338413;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 19 @ 0.02348677 = 0.4462 BTC [+] {5} 552538;1394338474;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.00380005 = 0.5206 BTC [-] {5} 552539;1394338535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00084676 = 2.1169 BTC [-] 552540;1394338596;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 2655 @ 0.0005 = 1.3275 BTC [-] 552541;1394338718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00084676 = 1.2701 BTC [-] 552542;1394338779;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 6457 @ 0.000105 = 0.678 BTC [-] 552543;1394338840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00084676 = 0.6774 BTC [-] 552544;1394339511;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07727081 = 1.1591 BTC [-] {3} 552545;1394339512;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1953 @ 0.00420662 = 8.2155 BTC [+] {16} 552546;1394339513;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4704 @ 0.00084676 = 3.9832 BTC [-] 552547;1394339877;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 347 @ 0.0043 = 1.4921 BTC [-] 552548;1394340975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 201 @ 0.004 = 0.804 BTC [-] {3} 552549;1394341097;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2900 @ 0.00090454 = 2.6232 BTC [+] {5} 552550;1394341803;Namworld;Enhancing your body with unobtainium: - 1'000'000 micromort 552551;1394342256;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00086058 = 21.5145 BTC [+] 552552;1394342805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00086058 = 11.2736 BTC [+] 552553;1394343842;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04540006 = 0.2724 BTC [-] {4} 552554;1394343903;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04528 = 0.2264 BTC [-] {4} 552555;1394343955;KRS-One;whats that mean Namworld 552556;1394343964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0449 = 0.2245 BTC [-] {4} 552557;1394344025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0056 = 0.168 BTC [-] 552558;1394344603;chetty_;buying bitcoin +1'000'000 micromort 552559;1394344891;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1705466/plain/) 552560;1394344891;benkay;!b 1 552561;1394345550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 31 @ 0.08699998 = 2.697 BTC [+] 552562;1394345943;Namworld;ref to something Mats said earlier 552563;1394346770;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00404999 = 0.1012 BTC [+] {2} 552564;1394347178;Namworld;http://coinsight.org/mtgox.html 552565;1394347180;ozbot;Mt.Gox BTC Transactions - Coinsight.org 552566;1394347195;Namworld;Movements? The heck. 552567;1394347243;mircea_popescu;what is coinsight 552568;1394347276;Namworld;What now? Mark specifying hackers stole private keys and wiped his servers? 552569;1394347285;mircea_popescu;lol 552570;1394347293;Namworld;A stats and tracking website. 552571;1394347338;mircea_popescu;kinda dubious in that it's based on gox. 552572;1394347356;Namworld;I believe this is based on past addresses used by MtGox, as per past transactions listed in their API 552573;1394347400;Namworld;API isn't there anymore, but some MtGox addresses where known. 552574;1394347401;mircea_popescu;Transactions are recorded automatically every 5 minutes from this page, which displays all Bitcoin transactions from Mt.Gox that have not been confirmed for 2 or more hours according to their wallet software. 552575;1394347406;mircea_popescu;link is to mtgox api 552576;1394347434;Namworld;Oh... 552577;1394347459;Namworld;looks like MtGox is still publishing that it's moving lotta Bitcoins... 552578;1394347509;Namworld;This must be an ode to stupidity. 552579;1394347527;mircea_popescu;it definitely is. 552580;1394347558;Namworld;Ok, I'm laughing now. This is too much. 552581;1394347574;chetty_;they left the fake transaction bots running? 552582;1394347650;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete you know, there are numerous religions longer lasting than the catholic church 552583;1394347665;Namworld;No... those transactions... some are in the blockchain it seems. 552584;1394347683;mircea_popescu;confucius, for one, was born way before christ. 552585;1394347701;mircea_popescu;for that matter, so has buddha 552586;1394347710;mircea_popescu;either of them has more followers today than jesus 552587;1394347744;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: Sure, Judaism too… Maybe not as centralized as such, nor as auspiciously 552588;1394347760;mircea_popescu;judaism = christianity. 552589;1394347784;mircea_popescu;nobody in the business seriously considers the branches apart from the root. 552590;1394347792;Namworld;islam too 552591;1394347798;mircea_popescu;judaism -> orthodoxy -> catholicism -> islam, same thing 552592;1394347811;bitcoinpete;Lest we forget Mormonism 552593;1394347812;mircea_popescu;minor disagreements over who exactly the prophets are 552594;1394347829;mircea_popescu;i guess you can include the various protestant and neoprotestant sects in there. 552595;1394347844;mircea_popescu;generally they're ignored for their complete lack of intellectual production and cultural impact 552596;1394347846;bitcoinpete;Catholic Church still seems to win the "most successful" award for land, art, gold, etc 552597;1394347856;mircea_popescu;but if you go by headcount i guess you gotta count the muricans. 552598;1394347868;mircea_popescu;only because you're unfamiliar with the east. 552599;1394347870;Namworld;Go abraham (not the lincoln one) 552600;1394347939;bitcoinpete;Moderately familiar with Hinduism and Buddhism. I guess the branch-tree argument is valid. Continuity is continuity 552601;1394347957;rithm;paganism arguably oldest religion 552602;1394347963;mircea_popescu;MisterE: Little late for that eh? < lawl. it's what bystanders do, usually. comment on future events as they perceive them, which obviously to the actual players are long past. 552603;1394347982;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete the objection was to art land and gold 552604;1394347997;mircea_popescu;if you think anyone can compete with buddhism over that you're nuts, they probably have more than all the others combined. 552605;1394348036;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 yeah not bad measure. 552606;1394348051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5376 @ 0.00086493 = 4.6499 BTC [+] 552607;1394348061;bitcoinpete;Huh… nuts I must be. This, I did not know 552608;1394348096;mircea_popescu;they (ie, indian govt) recently opened the vault of donations of one of the larger temples 552609;1394348106;mircea_popescu;> 200 tons of gold in items, many older than 1700 552610;1394348111;mircea_popescu;never seen before. 552611;1394348116;MisterE;nice 552612;1394348127;MisterE;lots of hoards down there 552613;1394348152;mircea_popescu;http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/07/06/137627235/some-22-billion-in-gold-diamonds-jewels-found-in-indian-temple 552614;1394348194;MisterE;what was the british mainly sucking out of them? textiles? 552615;1394348216;mircea_popescu;everything thery could get their hands on, basically. 552616;1394348286;mircea_popescu;hey justusranvier 552617;1394348293;bitcoinpete;crikey. That makes the Vatican look like a Swiss McDonald's 552618;1394348297;justusranvier;hello 552619;1394348300;mircea_popescu;my point exactly. 552620;1394348307;mircea_popescu;justusranvier what's your relation to conformal ? 552621;1394348316;justusranvier;mircea_popescu: fan 552622;1394348332;mircea_popescu;yeah they really should have a guy here. 552623;1394348341;justusranvier;I passed that message along 552624;1394348345;mircea_popescu;at the very least mike_c and benkay'd be very interesting in their stuff. 552625;1394348368;mircea_popescu;speaking of wolverine... 552626;1394348489;punkman;http://www.artfido.com/blog/is-this-the-best-way-to-recognize-the-artists-of-famous-paintings/ 552627;1394348541;mircea_popescu;lol huge asses ? srsly ? 552628;1394348573;punkman;I lol'd "If everyone – including the women – looks like Putin, then it’s van Eyck." 552629;1394348586;mircea_popescu;http://cdn.head-fi.org/a/ae/aec36ec3_arty_pics_big_ass_amateurs_butt_morenna_large.jpg_480_480_0_64000_0_1_0.jpeg < that is large ass. 552630;1394348617;mircea_popescu;i wish i could get dali to ilustrate eulora 552631;1394348619;mircea_popescu;sadly... 552632;1394348642;mircea_popescu;"If the paintings have tons of little people in them but otherwise seem normal, its Bruegel. ajahaha 552633;1394348661;bitcoinpete;He didn't even pick the lowest hanging fruit: Botero's chubby fruit 552634;1394348732;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete i don't think author even understands there's any depth to the matter. the bread's all flat to him, like he was born in the internet age. 552635;1394348907;mircea_popescu;punkman i suppose the putin-ness has to do with ethnicity. eyck painted locals and putin is apparently baltic stock 552636;1394349046;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: flat like Monet's lilypadz, flat like Guernica's bull, flat like Matisse's Icarus, flat like Saskatchewan 552637;1394349066;mircea_popescu;no, flat like cartman. 552638;1394349091;bitcoinpete;that's flat 552639;1394349100;mircea_popescu;http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/Jewpacabra/Script grep "No! The bread's all flat! No!" 552640;1394349101;ozbot;Jewpacabra/Script - South Park Archives - Cartman, Stan, Kenny, Kyle 552641;1394349147;bitcoinpete;Only a month away! 552642;1394349192;bitcoinpete;And incredibly easy for the gluten intolerant 552643;1394349278;mircea_popescu;An application of micromorts is measuring the value that humans place on risk: for example, one can consider the amount of money one would have to pay a person to get him or her to accept a one-in-a-million chance of death (or conversely the amount that someone might be willing to pay to avoid a one-in-a-million chance of death). When put thus, people claim a high number but when inferred from their day-to-day actions 552644;1394349278;mircea_popescu;(e.g., how much they are willing to pay for safety features on cars) a typical value is around $50 (in 2009) 552645;1394349297;punkman;micromorts, heh 552646;1394349297;mircea_popescu;However utility functions are often not linear, i.e the more a person has already spent on their safety the less they are willing to spend to further increase their safety. Therefore the $50 valuation should not be taken to mean that a human life (1 million micromorts) is valued at $50,000,000. 552647;1394349305;mircea_popescu;[But much less.] 552648;1394349321;mircea_popescu;Furthermore the local linearity of any utility curve means that the micromort is useful for small incremental risks and rewards, not necessarily for large risks 552649;1394349326;mircea_popescu;[in the sense it overstates their cost] 552650;1394349670;bitcoinpete;Post updated thanks to mircea_popescu 552651;1394349672;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/what-is-business-the-roman-catholic-church-for-one/ 552652;1394349673;ozbot;What Is Business? The Roman Catholic Church, For One | When Bitcoin Met Pete 552653;1394349698;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.0040028 = 1.6011 BTC [-] {7} 552654;1394349741;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete make. 552655;1394349788;bitcoinpete;Ever vigilant! 552656;1394349804;bitcoinpete;Corrected. 552657;1394349830;mircea_popescu;"He (John Kerry) made clear that continued military escalation and provocation in Crimea or elsewhere in Ukraine, along with steps to annex Crimea to Russia would close any available space for diplomacy, and he urged utmost restraint," the official said. 552658;1394349841;mircea_popescu;the obscure part in all of this is what exact space for diplomacy does russia need here ? 552659;1394349850;mircea_popescu;you want the gas fine, you don't want the gas also fine. 552660;1394349860;mircea_popescu;you want us to confiscate your investments fine, you don't want us to also fine. 552661;1394349873;mircea_popescu;rarely has one such a conveniently diplomacy-immune position. 552662;1394350283;MisterE;"Assange attacked what he sees as the powerlessness of even the most theoretically powerful politicians, and asked what would happen if President Barack Obama said tomorrow he was immediately disbanding the NSA, or even the CIA." 552663;1394350285;MisterE;Umm, that evening or the next day he would be assassinated? 552664;1394350289;MisterE;http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/mar/08/julian-assange-wikileaks-nsa-sxsw 552665;1394350371;chetty_;nah, not worth a bullet, they just laugh at him. take his phone away 552666;1394350443;MisterE;lol 552667;1394351838;mircea_popescu;nothing at all would happen lol 552668;1394351878;mircea_popescu;there;s no such thing as "powerful" in the fiat world, being it a politician including obama, or a media personality including whoever the fuck you watch, or a financial guy. 552669;1394351900;mircea_popescu;mat dimon is powerless to do anything about anything, one regular here is a lot more powerful in that WE ACTUALLY CONTROL our bitcoins. 552670;1394351920;mircea_popescu;random CEO can do exactly jack shit. 552671;1394351929;MisterE;some people hold commodities 552672;1394351933;mircea_popescu;which is really why it's so fun to humiliate and torment them, the naked emperors of power. 552673;1394351934;MisterE;gold, etc. 552674;1394351944;MisterE;hell water is the next asset 552675;1394351948;mircea_popescu;yeah, yeah. here's a simple test of your property : 552676;1394351950;mircea_popescu;try setting it on fire. 552677;1394351957;MisterE;hehe 552678;1394351990;mircea_popescu;most people belabouring under the delusion they "own" a house aren't aware they only "own" it inasmuch as there's something to b e paid on it. 552679;1394352036;MisterE;if they used a proper bank ledger they would see everything they have is a liability 552680;1394352056;MisterE;but they are not taught these things in school 552681;1394352565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 2443 @ 0.0001 = 0.2443 BTC [-] 552682;1394352616;mircea_popescu;well obama is not in a better position. 552683;1394352810;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MG] 1000 @ 0.000154 = 0.154 BTC [+] 552684;1394353175;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.07508232 = 3.3787 BTC [-] {12} 552685;1394353236;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07200001 = 2.016 BTC [-] {5} 552686;1394353602;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 57 @ 0.00573175 = 0.3267 BTC [-] {3} 552687;1394353968;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00086463 = 11.4131 BTC [-] 552688;1394354273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5811001 = 1.1622 BTC [-] {2} 552689;1394354639;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61479987 BTC [+] 552690;1394354822;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61479 BTC [-] 552691;1394354944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00086493 = 14.7038 BTC [+] 552692;1394355432;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8874 @ 0.00086493 = 7.6754 BTC [+] 552693;1394356337;jurov;;;bc,stats 552694;1394356339;gribble;Current Blocks: 289681 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 622 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 19 hours, 34 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4168639115.88 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.24897 552695;1394356774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04495001 = 0.4495 BTC [-] {3} 552696;1394356835;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.08887999 = 0.4444 BTC [+] {4} 552697;1394356896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00423996 = 0.1442 BTC [+] 552698;1394356957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78400 @ 0.00086751 = 68.0128 BTC [+] {3} 552699;1394357140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 21 @ 0.00574761 = 0.1207 BTC [+] {3} 552700;1394357201;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 31 @ 0.00577837 = 0.1791 BTC [+] {4} 552701;1394357445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 215 @ 0.00423996 = 0.9116 BTC [+] 552702;1394357506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 75 @ 0.00579994 = 0.435 BTC [+] 552703;1394358055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0447 = 0.2235 BTC [-] {3} 552704;1394359458;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58001 = 1.16 BTC [-] {2} 552705;1394359580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00086538 = 12.9807 BTC [-] {3} 552706;1394360434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13196 @ 0.00086409 = 11.4025 BTC [-] {2} 552707;1394362752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.0008619 = 18.2292 BTC [-] {2} 552708;1394363057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.04393749 = 0.8787 BTC [-] {4} 552709;1394363058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.08994799 = 0.8995 BTC [+] {4} 552710;1394365009;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.58002417 = 3.4801 BTC [+] {3} 552711;1394366473;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.05449913 = 0.109 BTC [+] {2} 552712;1394366900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00423993 = 0.2035 BTC [+] 552713;1394368181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 379 @ 0.000912 = 0.3456 BTC [-] 552714;1394369218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7638 @ 0.00086173 = 6.5819 BTC [-] 552715;1394369523;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 293 @ 0.000885 = 0.2593 BTC [-] {3} 552716;1394369767;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1328 @ 0.00086399 = 1.1474 BTC [-] {5} 552717;1394370255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00424138 = 0.4114 BTC [-] {2} 552718;1394370316;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 82 @ 0.00423993 = 0.3477 BTC [-] 552719;1394370865;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00086237 = 23.8445 BTC [+] 552720;1394370926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.00018277 = 0.1462 BTC [+] {5} 552721;1394371292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46883 @ 0.00086031 = 40.3339 BTC [-] {4} 552722;1394371536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00086237 = 12.72 BTC [+] 552723;1394372420;mircea_popescu;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=81 552724;1394372424;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets bash 552725;1394372427;mircea_popescu;ahahaha o may gawd i nearly fell over 552726;1394372753;KRS-One;heh fucken vexual 552727;1394372782;KRS-One;i like that cunt 552728;1394374199;deadweasel;well this jimmothy is still talkin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg5593296#msg5593296 552729;1394374769;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 15600 @ 0.0001 = 1.56 BTC [-] 552730;1394375099;mircea_popescu;i suppose we should have a bet as to when he goes the way of ciuciu, eskimobob and so many other great names 552731;1394375501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 59 @ 0.04267406 = 2.5178 BTC [-] {10} 552732;1394375502;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 27 @ 0.09093998 = 2.4554 BTC [+] {7} 552733;1394375867;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 406 @ 0.00401795 = 1.6313 BTC [-] {11} 552734;1394376122;punkman;http://themiraclemachine.net/img/info-graphic.png 552735;1394376355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00086501 = 4.4548 BTC [+] 552736;1394376553;nubbins`;wut 552737;1394377087;dexX7;yay welcome to teh future 552738;1394377098;dexX7;http://themiraclemachine.net 552739;1394377270;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00386558 = 0.4639 BTC [-] {5} 552740;1394377323;asciilifeform;dexX7: 'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!' ('judge dredd') 552741;1394377331;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1103 @ 0.00379842 = 4.1897 BTC [-] {11} 552742;1394377350;asciilifeform;dexX7: if the 'miracle' crap is serious, americans will be drinking the same kind of wine as they drink coffee 552743;1394377368;dexX7;haha true 552744;1394377392;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 104 @ 0.00375043 = 0.39 BTC [-] 552745;1394377514;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00375043 = 0.1088 BTC [-] 552746;1394377584;mircea_popescu;!t h neobee 552747;1394377585;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00362770 / 0.00402835 / 0.00430001 (6748 shares, 27.18330834 BTC), 7D: 0.00360000 / 0.00434362 / 0.00549990 (100201 shares, 435.23483185 BTC), 30D: 0.00261000 / 0.0044337 / 0.00600000 (589434 shares, 2613.37069273 BTC) 552748;1394377963;dexX7;what a trash video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBQ-IoHfimQ ... 18m views pff 552749;1394378094;bitcoinpete;sofa king we todd had 552750;1394378099;bitcoinpete;and howdy 552751;1394378542;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i think that has already been answered, but are options completely disabled or is only the bot not quoting? 552752;1394378552;thestringpuller;because of the issue with puts? 552753;1394378754;bitcoinpete;"The other telling tale in terms of currency besides the fact that no central bank is going to ever let (go of) control of how they deal with their own economy, is no one that I've seen so far that's in traditional sales that is taking bitcoin keeps it as bitcoin. They all translate it to dollars. And if you translate it into dollars it's not a currency." - Mark Cuban 552754;1394378762;bitcoinpete;http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/baig/2014/03/09/mark-cuban-cyber-dust-sxsw/6226925/ 552755;1394378762;ozbot;SXSW: Cuban on bitcoin and why texts should bite Cyber Dust 552756;1394378848;asciilifeform;'Kids are understanding that now. That's why Snapchat's been so popular. They don't want to have that footprint out there.' << lol 552757;1394378947;asciilifeform;story time 552758;1394379001;asciilifeform;asimov was once asked what he would do if he were to take a trip in time machine and could teach/prove just one fact about physics to the ancients 552759;1394379009;asciilifeform;he said 'show them the world is made of atoms' 552760;1394379041;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller they're disabled. 552761;1394379050;asciilifeform;so, if i could teach just one thing to these lost souls: 552762;1394379063;asciilifeform;'the difference between promise and mechanism.' 552763;1394379085;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete because obviously the ones that do keep it as bitcoin would report that to mark cuban 552764;1394379091;mircea_popescu;it makes perfect sense huh. 552765;1394379156;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the difference'd be that the difference between promise and mechanism is by no means a novel idea, just like the knowledge of communism = idiocy is ancient. 552766;1394379170;asciilifeform;entirely true! 552767;1394379172;mircea_popescu;then again, i suppose the atomic view is also ancient, so... perhaps that's why we can't make time machines yet 552768;1394379173;asciilifeform;nothing novel here 552769;1394379176;mircea_popescu;we'd be fucking boring to those people. 552770;1394379177;asciilifeform;hence the analogy 552771;1394379183;mircea_popescu;it's all their spam filters keeping us out 552772;1394379207;asciilifeform;and i think mr. a meant 'hammer through their thick retarded heads' rather than merely 'tell them.' 552773;1394379212;mircea_popescu;and actually... i wish an ancient would come this way into time and bring me blueprints of his fucking spam filter 552774;1394379238;mircea_popescu;that way i could somehow filter out idiots who in 2014 create "momentuous historic events" that "revoilutionise bla bla" by poorly reimplementing 2011's mpex 552775;1394379251;mircea_popescu;then again i guess i already have that too, in the form of a philosophy degree 552776;1394379255;bitcoinpete;haha 552777;1394379258;mircea_popescu;fuck me, the world is perfect 552778;1394379262;mircea_popescu;who knew. 552779;1394379270;ThickAsThieves;;;later tell nubbins` Interested in doing art for an album cover? Short turn needed, close-up of beast chomping a microphone. If so, lemme know price, eta. Thanks! 552780;1394379270;gribble;The operation succeeded. 552781;1394379403;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that way i could somehow filter out idiots << but they're already filtered - they aren't in your living room, and they aren't in mine. on the other hand, if filters could physically zap spammers, there would be considerably more interest in filter... 552782;1394379473;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu how old is the idea of communism by your reckoning? Mazdak was one of the first notable purveyors, at least according to Tom Holland 552783;1394379505;bitcoinpete;asciilifeform: the ancients understood atoms perfectly well, certainly the buddhists 552784;1394379515;CheckDavid;http://opentransactions.org/wiki/index.php?title=About. < anyone knows the difference between this and mastercoin? 552785;1394379522;asciilifeform;bitcoinpete: probably as old as the first humanoid who looked with envy at an anthill 552786;1394379549;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete it's really just poorly repackaged buddhism 552787;1394379551;asciilifeform;bitcoinpete: the ancients understood atoms perfectly well << very peculiar meaning of 'understand' needed for this to be true 552788;1394379557;CheckDavid;Did anyone here user open transactions to create or issue an asset? 552789;1394379572;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid knotwork perhaps the only one. 552790;1394379583;CheckDavid;Oh 552791;1394379596;asciilifeform;CheckDavid: plenty of people have used the blockchain as a telegraph, when the occasion called for it 552792;1394379600;CheckDavid;knotwork: my nigga 552793;1394379601;mircea_popescu;it's an ancient thing, ot, i recall sponsoring it in like 2012 552794;1394379602;CheckDavid;lol 552795;1394379816;bitcoinpete;"As a result, this digital-savvy cohort is looking to the tech sector to provide banking solutions. Half of respondents said they were counting on startups to overhaul how banks work, and three-quarters said they would be more excited in financial services provided by Google, Amazon, Apple, PayPal, or Square than from their own banks." 552796;1394379827;bitcoinpete;http://www.fastcompany.com/3027197/fast-feed/sorry-banks-millennials-hate-you?utm_content=buffer7a415&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer 552797;1394379828;ozbot;Sorry Banks, Millennials Hate You | Fast Company | Business + Innovation 552798;1394379843;bitcoinpete;I love the "counting on startups" bit 552799;1394379866;asciilifeform;'Sorry, Meat Processing Plants - Cattle Hate You' 552800;1394379885;mircea_popescu;lol 552801;1394380102;mircea_popescu;the evolution of the smiley is something incredible. 552802;1394380116;mircea_popescu;they were all :-) originally 552803;1394380127;mircea_popescu;then people dispensed with the nose, leading to the now common :) 552804;1394380133;asciilifeform;speaking of meat processing: 552805;1394380142;mircea_popescu;yet the trend aren't stopping, now the eyes are gone too. it's just ))))) 552806;1394380152;asciilifeform;many years ago, some russian fellow made a short film about karpeles & co. 552807;1394380154;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEnz9CaJqTY 552808;1394380154;ThickAsThieves;nose was too derpy 552809;1394380159;asciilifeform;no words, so no subtitles needed. 552810;1394380168;mircea_popescu;aren't smileys supposed to be derpy ? 552811;1394380175;ThickAsThieves;millenials hating banks is as old as overdraft fees 552812;1394380206;mircea_popescu;;~} 552813;1394380219;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: azns clearly pushed the noseless look, it wasn't no persian 552814;1394380223;ThickAsThieves;next is millenials hating cable cuz commercials (cuz netflix) 552815;1394380254;mircea_popescu;:| 552816;1394380265;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete clearly 552817;1394380278;bitcoinpete;There's a dilbert hiding in there somewhere 552818;1394380278;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves im pretty sure cable is dead as a going concern 552819;1394380298;ThickAsThieves;but dat death grip 552820;1394380300;mircea_popescu;they couldn't kill smoking, but cable failed to thrive in the interval 552821;1394380310;mircea_popescu;nah, it just survives cause coaxial internet 552822;1394380327;mircea_popescu;in most countries cable companies only sell their tv packages because they're bundled with the internet 552823;1394380336;ThickAsThieves;%) 552824;1394380341;mircea_popescu;otherwise people'd be... whatever. 552825;1394380455;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 552826;1394380456;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 639.1, Best ask: 641.98, Bid-ask spread: 2.88000, Last trade: 639.1, 24 hour volume: 11624.21200374, 24 hour low: 604.5, 24 hour high: 653.0, 24 hour vwap: 625.505735661 552827;1394380475;mircea_popescu;;;calc 5.7185 / 1450 / 639.1 552828;1394380475;gribble;6.17085448826e-06 552829;1394380490;mircea_popescu;ha! trilema the rift guild makes ~600 satoshi a day in taxes. 552830;1394380532;mircea_popescu;no wait i fucked it up 552831;1394380540;ThickAsThieves;won't even cover a teamspeak server 552832;1394380545;mircea_popescu;;;calc 5.7185 / 1450 * 14.95 / 639.1 552833;1394380545;gribble;9.22542745995e-05 552834;1394380550;mircea_popescu;9k satoshi 552835;1394380562;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i gotta ask, wtf is a Gunwitch ? 552836;1394380563;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves aren't those free ? 552837;1394380580;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the nom de guerre / plume of some particularly unhinged pick up artist guy 552838;1394380584;ThickAsThieves;dunno, i recall needing to pay for larger usage 552839;1394380592;ThickAsThieves;maybe that was Ventrilo 552840;1394380608;mircea_popescu;who may or may not be this fellow : http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/046/best_guy_ever.jpg 552841;1394380649;asciilifeform;i pictured it in my head as a witch who rides a DP (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Machine_gun_DP_MON.jpg) instead of broom 552842;1394380682;mircea_popescu;too feasible. 552843;1394380694;asciilifeform;the man in the photo - did he pull the trigger and blow his cock ? 552844;1394380706;asciilifeform;he looks determined. 552845;1394380723;mircea_popescu;actually, you may get a kick out of reading his (obviously very valuable) instructions and teachings. 552846;1394380737;mircea_popescu;it was all about "projecting your sexuality" upon random unfortunate members of the general public 552847;1394380740;mircea_popescu;at like... the bus stop 552848;1394380743;mircea_popescu;and "make the ho say no" 552849;1394380747;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.39806461 BTC to 3`639 shares, 65899 satoshi per share 552850;1394380749;mircea_popescu;then he shot some woman in the face. 552851;1394380753;asciilifeform;'Spam Like a Pro in 21 Days!' 552852;1394380782;mircea_popescu;anyway. half the rift guild is russian and ukrainian 552853;1394380787;mircea_popescu;we're having a ball these days :D 552854;1394380791;asciilifeform;lol 552855;1394380825;asciilifeform;also i thought 'witch' in english was female. 552856;1394380828;ThickAsThieves;lotsa russians in dota too 552857;1394380849;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nope. there's no gender in it. 552858;1394380857;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: also in WOT (the other wot! 'world of tanks') 552859;1394380861;dexX7;CheckDavid: i don't know much about ot, but it seems it's something completly new, more like a next gen bitmessage + encryption + central server bundle. mastercoin has it's own transaction types etc. and stores them encoded in the blockchain 552860;1394380872;mircea_popescu;people who speak languages with genders end up with fictitious gender partitions like witch/wizard because the teachers are lazy 552861;1394380873;ThickAsThieves;why so many russians in online games now? 552862;1394380879;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, there's no such allocation in english 552863;1394380890;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves because they can finally afford mass computers and net 552864;1394380907;mircea_popescu;in the 2000s it was a business expense for the girfrliendsa working the cams, 552865;1394380917;mircea_popescu;and by now on their sweat and toil it became generally available 552866;1394380933;CheckDavid;dexX7: oh. So that system is centralized unlike master coin 552867;1394380941;ThickAsThieves;porn, the mortar of technology 552868;1394380955;mircea_popescu;dexX7 what do you mean new ? the guy's been working at it since before my time 552869;1394380970;asciilifeform;porn, the reconnaissance battalion of technology. 552870;1394381000;ThickAsThieves;all the people that want decentralized shit like ot and mastercoin are too dumb to use it 552871;1394381013;dexX7;CheckDavid: as said, i'm not really sure how it works. there seem to be central processing servers. new in the sense of "not bitcoin, new underlying technology" 552872;1394381029;CheckDavid;I see 552873;1394381032;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty much 552874;1394381033;ThickAsThieves;<dexX7> CheckDavid: as said, i'm not really sure how it works. // no one soes 552875;1394381035;ThickAsThieves;does* 552876;1394381048;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well maybe the traveller dude does, 552877;1394381050;mircea_popescu;on his better days 552878;1394381051;ThickAsThieves;mostly people just ooh and ahh at screenshots and possibilities 552879;1394381071;ThickAsThieves;imagine all teh IPOz! 552880;1394381085;ThickAsThieves;imagine all the less friction! 552881;1394381087;mircea_popescu;it still requires you to compile a client and run a server does it ? 552882;1394381095;dexX7;i think so 552883;1394381104;thestringpuller;ThickAsThieves: if porn is the mortar of technology, are video games like the firewood? 552884;1394381118;ThickAsThieves;no, they are the cumsocks 552885;1394381167;*;ThickAsThieves doesn't know what that means. 552886;1394381173;*;asciilifeform neither 552887;1394381178;mircea_popescu;;;ud cumsock 552888;1394381178;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cumsock | A 'special' sock that is used for 'mopping up' following a 'five knuckle shuffle'. Such footwear have the unusual characteristics of being able to ... 552889;1394381179;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: cumsock 552890;1394381182;thestringpuller;YUP 552891;1394381193;mircea_popescu;apparently people use socks as cum rags ? 552892;1394381194;thestringpuller;that's what we used to say as kids in middle school 552893;1394381204;thestringpuller;when you masturbate as a 12 year old yea 552894;1394381206;asciilifeform;haha i assumed it was a rubber 552895;1394381211;ThickAsThieves;i never made the word until now 552896;1394381220;ThickAsThieves;but that was the definition i was going for 552897;1394381263;ThickAsThieves;masturbatory receptacles 552898;1394381293;thestringpuller;random: someone needs to invent a gpg based database 552899;1394381331;dexX7;http://opentransactions.org/wiki/index.php?title=Messaging ot is something like this 552900;1394381332;ozbot;Messaging - Open Transactions 552901;1394381418;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00466438 = 0.4664 BTC [+] {6} 552902;1394381434;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller to do what ? 552903;1394381612;thestringpuller;so if the database is ever compromised for any reason, it won't matter because it requires a specific gpg key to decrypt the rows 552904;1394381675;mircea_popescu;how is this different from you know, gpg as is ? 552905;1394381678;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: it is possible to search across encrypted data, for some purposes 552906;1394381687;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: you were probably thinking of that 552907;1394381689;thestringpuller;if you fill something like lets say postgres 552908;1394381691;thestringpuller;or mysql 552909;1394381708;thestringpuller;and you encrypted all the rows it would take 3-4 times longer for normal operation cause it has to decrypt everytime 552910;1394381718;thestringpuller;it's not built for it, has to call libcrypt or some bullshit 552911;1394381769;mircea_popescu;well yeah 552912;1394381770;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: perhaps if you stored gpg flatfile and indexed it, then gpg is the bottle neck and not the db trying to decrypt cells... 552913;1394381784;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61199898 BTC [+] 552914;1394381842;dexX7;don't encrypt primary keys and you're good to go? 552915;1394381857;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: are you saying search encrypted data using a hash? 552916;1394381872;thestringpuller;dexX7: then you can't search a specific column only by PK 552917;1394381892;dexX7;ah well, right 552918;1394381930;dexX7;but you can't have it both ways, i guess? 552919;1394382065;thestringpuller;i guess that might work though...if you only have referentials by pk in your queries; once you retreive the column you could deal with decryption...but hmm 552920;1394382068;dexX7;https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adinfo wtf "ponzicoin.co" 552921;1394382069;ozbot;Ad info 552922;1394382090;thestringpuller;maybe gpg and relational databases aren't meant to be friends 552923;1394382150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.00399962 = 0.252 BTC [+] {3} 552924;1394382211;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00087052 = 21.4148 BTC [+] 552925;1394382516;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.04250001 = 0.8925 BTC [-] {2} 552926;1394382792;bitcoinpete;Coming in at #3 for a cool 211,000 BTC: Dracula's Castle in Roumania 552927;1394382793;bitcoinpete;http://www.fascinatingpics.com/7-most-expensive-homes-in-the-world-5/ 552928;1394382794;ozbot;7 Most Expensive Homes In The World » Fascinating Pics 552929;1394382882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 87 @ 0.00556246 = 0.4839 BTC [-] {9} 552930;1394383002;bitcoinpete;And if that's too pricey, this shit is priceless: 552931;1394383003;bitcoinpete;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zxfjg/thank_you_people_of_rbitcoin_your_unique/ 552932;1394383004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.590002 BTC [-] 552933;1394383021;bitcoinpete;"Thank You people of r/bitcoin! Your unique, sarcastic and exaggerated humour has enabled me to cope with the depression and suicidal thoughts after my financial loss due to MtGox." 552934;1394383065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00583543 = 0.4668 BTC [+] {6} 552935;1394383400;dexX7;http://imgur.com/gallery/fjcgUns 552936;1394383400;ozbot;Come oon just try it - Imgur 552937;1394383627;dexX7;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zz21j/mtgox_2014_hack_database_revealed_live_from_mark/ 552938;1394383637;ozbot;MTGOX 2014 HACK, DATABASE REVEALED, LIVE FROM MARK KARPELES'S REDDIT ACCOUNT! : Bitcoin 552939;1394383737;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.04250001 = 1.7 BTC [-] 552940;1394383738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.09199989 = 1.84 BTC [+] {3} 552941;1394383847;dexX7;no user data, only trade histories etc. 552942;1394383905;dexX7;oh wait. and a list with account balances (though without knowing who is who) 552943;1394383954;dexX7;and there are some with a negative balance :D 552944;1394384651;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 552945;1394385398;asciilifeform;anybody got the binary turd? 552946;1394385552;asciilifeform;nm 552947;1394385631;dexX7;no .net, ascii extract: http://pastebin.com/VwmbU7cJ 552948;1394385662;asciilifeform;i'm interested specifically in the trojan payload 552949;1394385666;asciilifeform;rather than the gox crap 552950;1394385758;dexX7;there was once a trojan stealer on btctalk which searched for wallet.dat files and forwarded them via mail - the guy included his mail credentials of his private gmail acc =D 552951;1394386282;mircea_popescu;"his" 552952;1394386345;dexX7;yes, his 552953;1394386398;dexX7;turned out it was a 14 yo child who found the stealer on hackforums 552954;1394386566;mircea_popescu;haha 552955;1394386584;mircea_popescu;"some local computer shop owner yelled at me over the phone when I asked him to email me a price list, telling me that he would never waste his time on email because it took 20 times longer than a phone call" 552956;1394386607;mircea_popescu;this is the 80s, back when people using bitcoin i mean email were considered at the very least a little by the guys who generally know everything better 552957;1394386618;dexX7;hehe 552958;1394386664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.004 = 0.112 BTC [+] 552959;1394386694;dexX7;oh well, this 2 bit idiot: http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/79070783038/concession "I’m not going to bury the lead; I am not publishing the article tomorrow that I said I was going to on Friday. In fact, I never intended to ..." 552960;1394386735;mircea_popescu;lol 552961;1394386815;asciilifeform;loltron chugs on: 552962;1394386816;dexX7;vs 552963;1394386816;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014-info/andrew-leonard/andrew-leonard.htm 552964;1394386817;dexX7;"To the chagrin of the less confrontational, I plan to attack. And in putting my personal and professional reputation on the line, I will attack ruthlessly, from the front, and (figuratively) shoot to kill. By Monday, I expect that either: a) Vessenes and Matonis resign gracefully from the board of the Bitcoin Foundation, ..." 552965;1394386869;mircea_popescu;lmao @this guy 552966;1394386879;mircea_popescu;"o i know, brilliant idea : i will try and frontrun mp!11" 552967;1394386889;mircea_popescu;nobody ever thought of that b4 for sure! 552968;1394387083;asciilifeform;double-barrelled lol, because since when is throwing somebody's name into a property title spam search engine a proper 'doxing' ? 552969;1394387127;mircea_popescu;i love all the pretense tho, "my personal and professional reputation" apparently is the new stock phrase of the chump. 552970;1394387150;mircea_popescu;nobody heard of him, nobody cares of him, he is thus therefore throwing the full weight of that pompous nothing into things!!!111 552971;1394387247;dexX7;haha yea 552972;1394387274;dexX7;"bitcoin enentrepreneur" 552973;1394387340;mircea_popescu;anyway. yeah the foundation is going down. 552974;1394387350;benkay;<mircea_popescu> fuck me, the world is perfect <mircea_popescu> who knew. << alexander pope. 552975;1394387350;mircea_popescu;that aside, i very much doubt vessy is stepping down to the bitter end. 552976;1394387355;mircea_popescu;benkay :p 552977;1394387734;mircea_popescu;quoth mpoe-pr "haha forehead and bitcoininv have channeled their butthurt from me to each other 552978;1394387734;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.40 552979;1394387735;ozbot;[Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus 552980;1394387737;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy shit 552981;1394387811;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507799.0 <also the most promising webwallet so far. 552982;1394387812;ozbot;Kryptowallet.org maby the best Bitcoin Wallet 552983;1394387826;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this one you might appreciate https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507493.0 552984;1394387842;mircea_popescu;as to the wisdom of not taking pre-orders and generally running a business like a business. 552985;1394387884;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07481999 = 0.1496 BTC [-] 552986;1394388012;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the trezor folks took preorders !?!11! 552987;1394388118;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: have people no sense of shame? 552988;1394388191;mircea_popescu;and the irony here is that the mp of that project is slush 552989;1394388196;mircea_popescu;who's otherwise quite respectable 552990;1394388201;bitcoinpete;I can't quite keep up with mircea_popescu's torrential blogging, but that doesn't mean I won't try. 552991;1394388203;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/citizens-of-fiat-vs-citizens-of-bitcoin-a-contrast/ 552992;1394388205;ozbot;Citizens of Fiat vs. Citizens of Bitcoin: A Contrast | When Bitcoin Met Pete 552993;1394388214;mircea_popescu;:p 552994;1394388224;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: could be that some people are just broke, and this is the only way they can play. 552995;1394388234;benkay;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507493.msg5598474#msg5598474 552996;1394388235;ozbot;More Pre Order Scams..... (TREZOR) 552997;1394388239;mircea_popescu;nah, slush is running a large pool, large miner, he's okay. 552998;1394388252;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: then this is seriously weird. 552999;1394388273;asciilifeform;why does he need pre-orders, why not just build the damned gadget 553000;1394388291;mircea_popescu;dude, if i could explain to you the why of people doing stupid shit... 553001;1394388303;mircea_popescu;why. cause they think they know better and don't feel the need to ask. 553002;1394388318;asciilifeform;it's seriously strange when they do it despite not having to 553003;1394388333;asciilifeform;plus it's a pocket gizmo 553004;1394388336;asciilifeform;not an aircraft carrier 553005;1394388423;asciilifeform;single-chip, using a dirt-common micro 553006;1394388438;asciilifeform;(going by the published pcb mask at any rate) 553007;1394388608;mircea_popescu;well, bitcoin is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers 553008;1394388629;mircea_popescu;people who think that by imagining something they're now the best to make it, people who think wanting really hard can substitute for being really able 553009;1394388632;mircea_popescu;and so it goes. 553010;1394388707;asciilifeform;trezor's published code is curiously missing the interesting bits. 553011;1394388718;asciilifeform;but i'll be surprised if this surprises anyone. 553012;1394388748;mircea_popescu;i am fully confident it's ignorance rather than some nefarious anything at work 553013;1394388751;mircea_popescu;slush is czech 553014;1394388754;asciilifeform;https://github.com/trezor 553015;1394388762;asciilifeform;what's missing? exercise for alert reader. 553016;1394388835;Namworld;Gggooooooddd MORNING! 553017;1394388840;Namworld;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zz21j/mtgox_2014_hack_database_revealed_live_from_mark/ 553018;1394388842;ozbot;MTGOX 2014 HACK, DATABASE REVEALED, LIVE FROM MARK KARPELES'S REDDIT ACCOUNT! : Bitcoin 553019;1394388861;Namworld;It's actually 14:14 but whatever. 553020;1394388891;Namworld;It does appear to be legit. All accounts and transactions dump. 553021;1394388987;Namworld;Which means Mark's blog also got hacked, apparently, if that's not Mark faking it. 553022;1394389017;Namworld;Either way, how much more can you screw up? 553023;1394389024;mircea_popescu;Namworld dexX7 had it earlier :p 553024;1394389039;Namworld;Great. 553025;1394389051;mircea_popescu;"The SEC does not actively monitor this thread, I have two friends that are attorneys for the Commission, and their interns have much better things to do than passive monitoring. " 553026;1394389060;mircea_popescu;the forum never ends. 553027;1394389082;Namworld;There's not too many people in here regularly browsing reddit, so sometimes it takes time to get here. 553028;1394389167;Namworld;They should still have 500k BTC apparently. (400k from 2011 that haven't moved since and some more) for over 900k owed. 553029;1394389187;Namworld;400k Mark proved ownership after the 2011 hack. 553030;1394389196;dexX7;ah speaking of the sec. did they reach out to you, mp? 553031;1394389201;Namworld;Looks like they were running fractional since then. 553032;1394389430;mircea_popescu;dexX7 and to a number of people 553033;1394389439;mircea_popescu;and yes they do read the forum, tho they only understand about half 553034;1394389491;mircea_popescu;Namworld isn't it interesting how "since then" and "when mp said" coincide huh. 553035;1394389593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00589773 = 0.171 BTC [+] 553036;1394389646;dexX7;well then, tell us more 553037;1394389660;dexX7;there is the part missing between "to: ... and yes they" 553038;1394389757;mircea_popescu;dexX7 hm ? 553039;1394389811;dexX7;what did they want, what are the implications etc ;) 553040;1394389902;mircea_popescu;well that's not particularly clear yet. 553041;1394389909;mircea_popescu;trying to do their job, i guess. 553042;1394389957;dexX7;that's all 553043;1394389960;dexX7;? 553044;1394390104;dexX7;i think it's your obligation to be transparent on such incidents. who knows, maybe they have backend access to mpex now :p 553045;1394390133;mircea_popescu;now that's not possible. 553046;1394390885;moiety;good eve :) 553047;1394390999;Namworld;Yes, we know you can spot scam. Now stop bragging about it =P 553048;1394391056;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00589773 = 0.5898 BTC [-] 553049;1394391152;thestringpuller;dexX7: I'm pretty sure mircea_popescu has female assassin ninjas guarding the mpex keyring 553050;1394391199;dexX7;sssh shh i want to hear teh sec gossip 553051;1394391239;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04250011 = 0.1275 BTC [-] {2} 553052;1394391300;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.04250001 = 1.4025 BTC [-] 553053;1394391422;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09224995 = 0.1845 BTC [+] {2} 553054;1394391483;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09325 = 0.1865 BTC [+] {2} 553055;1394391544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0941 = 0.4705 BTC [+] {3} 553056;1394391564;mircea_popescu;Namworld never :D 553057;1394391605;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.09499998 = 0.57 BTC [+] {2} 553058;1394391752;dexX7;http://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/abblog/blog.pl?/pl/2014/3/1394372710.html 553059;1394391753;ozbot;eBay Files Patent Application for Bitcoin Currency Exchanger 553060;1394391753;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu random thought: i wonder if the halt in options trading on MPEX will result in a lot of people flocking to ICBIT...kind of a scary thought... 553061;1394391797;dexX7;what was the reason to halt option trading? 553062;1394391832;thestringpuller;;;google site: trilema.com february 2014 mpoe 553063;1394391833;gribble;MPOE, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/>; MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-january-2014-statement/>; MPOE, December 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-december-2013-statement/> 553064;1394391842;dexX7;ty 553065;1394391847;thestringpuller;np 553066;1394392031;KRS-One;i still can't believe this is happening... mtgox hacked.. all leaked.. karpeles blog, his reddit account 553067;1394392032;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00086941 = 2.956 BTC [-] 553068;1394392135;dexX7;well, it's a probably a good thing to get rid of the weak elements 553069;1394392363;mircea_popescu;let the record reflect that i'm working on a foot long baba ghanoush sub 553070;1394392367;peterl;I've never used ICBIT, is it any good? 553071;1394392398;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i doubt there's much overlap in demographics. 553072;1394392400;mircea_popescu;peterl no. 553073;1394392402;punkman;even Dr Greg doesn't want to use them anymore 553074;1394392411;mircea_popescu;see the earlier linked misadventure of dr foreskin on the topic 553075;1394392444;peterl;how did he get the name Dr. Foreskin? Or do I want to know? 553076;1394392457;mircea_popescu;KRS-One in his position, leaking his pws is actulaly a rational, +ev move 553077;1394392485;mircea_popescu;peterl well it's a combination of things. he looks kind-of weird, and behaves like a negligible quantity 553078;1394392493;mircea_popescu;which in romanian is pielea pulii ie, foreskin 553079;1394392510;mircea_popescu;actually i think that works in russian too 553080;1394392703;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 553081;1394392762;Diablo-D3;http://blog.magicaltux.net/2014/03/09/mtgox-2014-hack-database-revealed-live-from-mark-karpeless-reddit-account/ 553082;1394392763;ozbot;MTGOX 2014 HACK, DATABASE REVEALED, LIVE FROM MARK KARPELES’S REDDIT ACCOUNT! « MagicalTux in Ja 553083;1394392791;mircea_popescu;that's the 3rd. 553084;1394392886;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.04250001 = 1.02 BTC [-] 553085;1394392889;dexX7;kinda interesting though that the block entry is still online 553086;1394392947;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00589773 = 0.4128 BTC [-] 553087;1394393008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.0425 = 2.2525 BTC [-] {3} 553088;1394393022;Namworld;Don't forget that MtGox's API published transactions as close as this morning, Diablo-D3. 553089;1394393034;Namworld;MtGox still has and is moving large amounts of Bitcoins. 553090;1394393096;peterl;from the dr. greg thread "the approach continues to offer guaranteed profit up until a roughly 350% gain " he lost money but still thinks his strategy should have huge returns? 553091;1394393112;Namworld;Mark will now say it's not him but the hackers who just released the info. He might be the thief and the releaser of info. 553092;1394393122;Namworld;Dr. Greg thread? What? 553093;1394393143;peterl;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5584789#msg5584789 553094;1394393143;Namworld;Pirates, okay, but I didn't know there was Ponzi doctors too. 553095;1394393144;ozbot;[Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus 553096;1394393211;peterl;MPOE-PR ripped him pretty good, but he still thinks he beat her with his wall of words 553097;1394393214;dexX7;he also reads the channel logs to see, if someone is saying something mean about him 553098;1394393220;benkay;peterl: it's not his strategy that's wrong, it's his implementation details. like icbit. 553099;1394393235;peterl;oops, now he is going to target me! 553100;1394393280;benkay;this is much like asciilifeform's refrain about "trusted computing" on top of compromised hardware. all the proofs in the world won't save you from bad hardware in the memory stack, and all the quant kabbalah in the world won't make you money on non-functional options exchanges. 553101;1394393313;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 676 @ 0.0001819 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2} 553102;1394393373;dexX7;peterl: no joke, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283947.msg3649693#msg3649693 "Maybe it was a different user named 'dexX7' who was hobnobbing with TAT, Mircea Popescu and others on IRC ..." 553103;1394393435;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07483062 = 0.449 BTC [+] {3} 553104;1394393458;Duffer1;i wish he would hang out in here more 553105;1394393501;peterl;maybe he is here under a different name? 553106;1394393560;Duffer1;oh could be 553107;1394393573;benkay;probly reads the logs but can't extemporize. 553108;1394393660;peterl;hard to put a good wall of text up on IRC 553109;1394393694;benkay;brevity, wit, etc. 553110;1394393694;Duffer1;is easy 553111;1394393705;Duffer1;make blog, post link 553112;1394393715;Duffer1;doesn't Dr.G have a blog already? 553113;1394393734;moiety;he really does look phallic shoulders up.... 553114;1394393741;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00589773 = 0.1533 BTC [-] 553115;1394393984;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07485221 = 0.2246 BTC [+] 553116;1394394036;mircea_popescu;peterl guy is strange. 553117;1394394053;mircea_popescu;<Namworld> Mark will now say it's not him but the hackers who just released the info. He might be the thief and the releaser of info. << hence the "Rational, +EV move" comment earlier. 553118;1394394134;mircea_popescu;dexX7 lol we're the empire of evil nao ? 553119;1394394167;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1849 @ 0.00018399 = 0.3402 BTC [+] {8} 553120;1394394171;dexX7;yea, i guess 553121;1394394176;mircea_popescu;o look it's a moiety. how goes missy ? 553122;1394394253;mircea_popescu;anyway, if the guy's reading the logs that's not so bad, first step on the road to sanity. 553123;1394394283;mircea_popescu;before you know it he'll be going "i stake my professional reputation !!eleven behind making this thing i read on trilema two weeks ago happen!" like that other douche 553124;1394394289;mircea_popescu;after which hopefully he's cured 553125;1394394298;mircea_popescu;unless they manage to invent some further pathology down the way 553126;1394394307;moiety;I'm well ty mircea_popescu :) had some interesting times past couple days. how are you? 553127;1394394319;mircea_popescu;im stuffed. 553128;1394394346;moiety;with? 553129;1394394397;moiety;i need to food actually 553130;1394394444;moiety;had dinner with satoshi but he doesn't say much 553131;1394394490;mircea_popescu;footlong baba ghanoush sub 553132;1394394530;mircea_popescu;"In retrospect, it's quite funny how some of the folks laughed at those selling ASICMiner to buy into BTC Growth, given that at the end of the day, those who adopted exactly that strategy wound up with roughly 275% as much money in their accounts than those who stuck with the former darling of the mining world." 553133;1394394536;mircea_popescu;this usagi bs ?! 553134;1394394552;Diablo-D3;usagi is still around? 553135;1394394555;Diablo-D3;I thought he ragequit 553136;1394394558;mircea_popescu;asicminer went from 5 to .5, so therefore my deadbeat "investment" which went from 1 to .3 in the interval 553137;1394394579;mircea_popescu;would have assured "investors" "make roi and then some" or what was the expression 553138;1394394588;mircea_popescu;Diablo-D3 he comes and goes. 553139;1394394601;mircea_popescu;no bitcoin ragequit lasts. 553140;1394394601;Diablo-D3;I noticed he quit bothering me 553141;1394394613;Diablo-D3;surprised he isnt trying to invest in my newest venture or some shit 553142;1394394707;benkay;overheard in my household this morning "paycheck and a buttplug! the only grocery list you'll ever need." 553143;1394394724;Diablo-D3;... 553144;1394394796;moiety;i wondered wherehe disappeared to 553145;1394394812;moiety;he might have found benkays shopping list.... 553146;1394394825;mircea_popescu;lol 553147;1394394833;benkay;it's not my shopping list - i don't do the shopping, moiety. 553148;1394394836;mircea_popescu;i think he spends some time as a princess in a special happy place 553149;1394394843;mircea_popescu;of the sort uppity tortilla rest sin 553150;1394394851;mircea_popescu;dexX7 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283947.msg3650952#msg3650952 how come i have not that log ? 553151;1394394911;dexX7;it's legit, names edited and a few lines removed though 553152;1394394939;mircea_popescu;can you link to log ? 553153;1394394983;dexX7;hmm let me look 553154;1394395001;dexX7;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2013&bots=true#233753 553155;1394395004;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 553156;1394395012;mircea_popescu;and you know, if you quote a log include a date, a link, something. 553157;1394395014;dexX7;part 2: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2013&bots=true#234572 553158;1394395061;dexX7;my intent wasn't to share the content of the log 553159;1394395067;dexX7;thus no link to the log 553160;1394395114;mircea_popescu;a so im not actually in there/saying anything 553161;1394395127;mircea_popescu;that's what threw me, cause i had no recollection of the entire thing 553162;1394395224;dexX7;well, you're the incarnation of teh evil anyway :D 553163;1394395235;mircea_popescu;oic 553164;1394395245;mircea_popescu;well, so did anyone actually bother to track this BTC-GROWTH marvel ? 553165;1394395287;mircea_popescu;a actually btct, should be in the logs 553166;1394395332;mircea_popescu;Apr 13 11:00:40 <`MBot>[ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ TYGRR-BOT ] [ 2 x 0.99999 = 1.999980 BTC ] 553167;1394395332;mircea_popescu;Apr 13 11:01:55 <`MBot>[ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ TYGRR-BOT ] [ 98 x 1.0 = 98.000000 BTC ] 553168;1394395335;mircea_popescu;dude, old logs! 553169;1394395341;mircea_popescu;(that's apr 13 2012, ftr) 553170;1394395341;peterl;I think it was all privately done, so there is no way to actually track what he says 553171;1394395351;mircea_popescu;peterl he claims he got 2k btc on btct 553172;1394395415;mircea_popescu;so what was the ticker, anyoe know that ? 553173;1394395419;dexX7;http://coinflow.co/chart/BTC-GROWTH 553174;1394395420;ozbot;BTC-GROWTH on Coinflow 553175;1394395460;dexX7;i think he indeed sold quite a few shares 553176;1394395469;dexX7;several hundred btc worth 553177;1394395534;mircea_popescu;aha 553178;1394395537;dexX7;;;calc 1294*0.1 553179;1394395537;gribble;129.4 553180;1394395540;dexX7;well 553181;1394395540;dexX7;^ 553182;1394395570;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0424 = 0.424 BTC [-] 553183;1394395619;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/1707934/ 553184;1394395620;ozbot;dpaste: #1707934 553185;1394395622;mircea_popescu;that's the first hour. 553186;1394395653;mircea_popescu;there's no 2k there, more like 2-300 btc 553187;1394395676;benkay;the rest was privately placed! 553188;1394395676;benkay;gosh. 553189;1394395720;peterl;"privately placed" does that mean "I just made up whatever numbers I want"? 553190;1394395750;benkay;that is an implication 553191;1394395755;Namworld;I'm about 175 BTC in debt and I'm richer than him still. 553192;1394395768;mircea_popescu;the zinger being, of course, "Aug 15 15:49:39 <parseval>This guy is charging 2% of assets annually plus 20% of profits for management fees" 553193;1394395773;mircea_popescu;that's some fund o.O 553194;1394395789;Namworld;Big fees. 553195;1394395856;dexX7;well, such a fee level is at least motivating the issuer to perform well 553196;1394395871;mircea_popescu;lolk 553197;1394395876;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.095 = 0.285 BTC [+] 553198;1394395906;mircea_popescu;normally i'd say "i wish to meet that elated 1% of bitcoin financiers which actually make 2% a year", but i think i already have. 553199;1394395974;mircea_popescu;anyway, parity didn't hold up long : 553200;1394395974;mircea_popescu;Aug 15 18:44:58 <assbot>[BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 2 @ 0.09801 = 0.196 BTC [-] 553201;1394395974;mircea_popescu;Aug 15 18:44:59 <assbot>[BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 96 @ 0.098 = 9.408 BTC [-] 553202;1394396031;mircea_popescu;Sep 21 01:55:33 <assbot>[BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 2 @ 0.09612 = 0.1922 BTC [-] 553203;1394396041;mircea_popescu;Sep 21 03:21:59 <assbot>[BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 50 @ 0.09594299 = 4.7971 BTC [-] {5} 553204;1394396051;mircea_popescu;Oct 06 15:25:37 <assbot>[BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 10 @ 0.08 = 0.8 BTC [-] 553205;1394396065;mircea_popescu;Oct 08 18:07:10 <assbot>[BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 7 @ 0.083 = 0.581 BTC [+] 553206;1394396065;mircea_popescu;Oct 08 18:08:11 <assbot>[BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 14 @ 0.083 = 1.162 BTC [+] 553207;1394396069;mircea_popescu;and with that the story ends. 553208;1394396085;mircea_popescu;-17% on assets, -22% on fees, half your money back in half a year. 553209;1394396104;Namworld;Considering the first thing I did was lend over 700 BTC to a GPU miner thinking it was just 7 grand and the current price per BTC, I'm not close of having positive earnings on average per year. 553210;1394396147;mircea_popescu;you still in the hole with giga/amazingrando huh 553211;1394396147;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 553212;1394396161;dexX7;labcoin was a more exciting way to lose money 553213;1394396164;Namworld;Although I definitly made some money afterward. 553214;1394396195;Namworld;Well i started with 900 BTC in early 2012. Lost most. Definitly don't have that much. 553215;1394396232;Namworld;I might be close to achieving that back tho. 553216;1394396242;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00589773 = 1.4744 BTC [-] 553217;1394396266;mircea_popescu;well gl. 553218;1394396825;Namworld;It's been rough, especially with the 15 -> 1200 run in 2013. How is one supposed to beat 100x returns on just holding through investing? 553219;1394396848;peterl;invest in S.MPOE? 553220;1394396863;mircea_popescu;no because that's like scientology. 553221;1394396900;mircea_popescu;Jan 12 23:14:43 <assbot>[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3293 @ 0.0006592 = 2.1707 BTC [+] 553222;1394396908;Namworld;I had to help with BitVPS which RG just abandoned like that. Buy servers and everything. Stuff like that. Losses vs just holding. 553223;1394396935;mircea_popescu;;;calc ( 0.00087052- 0.0006592)/ 0.0006592 553224;1394396935;gribble;0.32057038835 553225;1394396940;peterl;which we are grateful you saved that for us 553226;1394396942;mircea_popescu;o hey, 32%. 553227;1394396969;peterl;psh, only 32% that is nowhere near 100x! 553228;1394396970;Namworld;Arij helped a lot too. 553229;1394396990;Namworld;We both missed a ton on the BTC rate increase. 553230;1394396992;mircea_popescu;peterl well technically, it's at least > 9000x zero 553231;1394397022;Namworld;It's 32% in BTC. So 1.32 x 100 553232;1394397040;peterl;right, this is btc accounting instead of Usagi accounting 553233;1394397056;Namworld;132x value in fiat. It was better than holding BTC. 553234;1394397156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24358 @ 0.00086874 = 21.1608 BTC [-] {2} 553235;1394397156;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07485302 = 1.6468 BTC [+] {3} 553236;1394397339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 73 @ 0.0433452 = 3.1642 BTC [+] {3} 553237;1394397400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0434395 = 0.1738 BTC [+] {2} 553238;1394397522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 187 @ 0.00404842 = 0.7571 BTC [-] {2} 553239;1394397602;mircea_popescu;Namworld it also doesn't count dividends. 553240;1394398063;Namworld;oh, that too. 553241;1394398083;Namworld;Someone should calculate that. 553242;1394398162;moiety;someone sent r3wt to me yesterday :/ 553243;1394398609;Namworld;For what? 553244;1394399070;moiety;i think to check to see if i can contact TF 553245;1394399091;moiety;he was voicing faux concern 553246;1394399198;moiety;i hadnt realised openex was hacked a fortnight ago 553247;1394399262;mircea_popescu;ya 553248;1394399327;moiety;but then neither did he for a while 553249;1394399515;moiety;i get probed every now and then, i guess its to be expected 553250;1394399793;thestringpuller;topace: unlock my account 553251;1394399939;moiety;http://i.imgur.com/I9XgLMN.jpg honesty the best policy?! 553252;1394400634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 190 @ 0.00589773 = 1.1206 BTC [-] 553253;1394400724;mircea_popescu;moiety http://24.media.tumblr.com/1a88c2b550b2750929342bef44551e7a/tumblr_myaf6dYk1f1rq17hmo1_1280.jpg 553254;1394400725;mircea_popescu;lies! 553255;1394400928;thestringpuller;.bait 553256;1394400948;moiety;lolol mircea_popescu but why does she look so angry? 1) she must get LOADS of tips and 2) this one is inside! she should be happier! 553257;1394401168;mircea_popescu;hehe good points 553258;1394401205;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/b21c1fbb69b3b3e6bd39c59f4279e106/tumblr_mz1p5m1UDV1rwxb4zo1_250.gif definitely beats sandra. 553259;1394401221;jurov;lol again czech menu on the blackboard 553260;1394401487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.13311598 = 0.5325 BTC [-] 553261;1394402042;moiety;she, however, does not look happy to be outside 553262;1394402097;Neil;;;prevdiffchange 553263;1394402102;gribble;21.92473 553264;1394402158;moiety;i found bingo's spiritual dog http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/09/hair-of-the-dog-miracle-vodka-cure-saves-puppy-from-certain-death-4494150/ 553265;1394402173;moiety;had to get drunk on vodka to live 553266;1394402402;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 32 @ 0.004 = 0.128 BTC [-] {2} 553267;1394403134;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05479999 = 0.2192 BTC [+] {2} 553268;1394403318;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 118 @ 0.00205964 = 0.243 BTC [-] 553269;1394404537;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00404846 = 0.2429 BTC [-] 553270;1394404781;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00086879 = 12.3368 BTC [+] 553271;1394405329;nubbins`;hi 553272;1394405330;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00405001 = 0.1013 BTC [+] 553273;1394405930;mircea_popescu;hey n 553274;1394406251;kakobrekla;><Enky> http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/Karpeles_Weird_Hats_2005_and_2006_Wide.png 553275;1394406256;kakobrekla;seems this wasnt here yet 553276;1394406303;nubbins`;he's got a purdy mouth 553277;1394406308;dub;wat 553278;1394406312;nubbins`;lel 553279;1394406323;*;nubbins` says what other men dare not think 553280;1394406406;kakobrekla;could be shopped 553281;1394406410;kakobrekla;i dont see bouncy balls 553282;1394406795;moiety;quite possibly the best hats in bitcoin 553283;1394406851;dexX7;lol these pictures are priceless: http://www.dailytech.com/Bitcoin+King+Pt+II+Mt+Goxs+Dictator+Karpels+Proves+Tragically+Flawed/article34452.htm 553284;1394406861;dexX7;http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/Karpeles_Samurai_Sept_2010.png 553285;1394406916;moiety;lmao at the meh hoodie - it's suits his face 553286;1394406922;moiety;it* 553287;1394407004;wao-ender;c'mon php.. https://eval.in/108854 553288;1394407178;dexX7;fixed: https://eval.in/116675 553289;1394407284;wao-ender;=== ?! 553290;1394407286;wao-ender;what the heck 553291;1394407357;dexX7;yea something php specific 553292;1394407372;dexX7;but i was curious, this one gives a good explaination: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22140204/why-md5240610708-is-equal-to-md5qnkcdzo 553293;1394407714;kakobrekla;fuck thats a long article 553294;1394408682;dub;long and pointless 553295;1394408712;dub;all the personality treatise can be reduced to : he is french 553296;1394408990;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40572 @ 0.00086907 = 35.2599 BTC [+] {2} 553297;1394409234;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 34 @ 0.07300003 = 2.482 BTC [-] {4} 553298;1394409356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07311051 = 0.658 BTC [+] {4} 553299;1394409357;kakobrekla;no DUB HE IS JAPANEROS 553300;1394409417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+] 553301;1394409715;dexX7;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zzzq0/ponzicoin_operator_steals_money_investors_get/ d'oh 553302;1394409716;ozbot;Ponzicoin operator steals money; investors get upset : Bitcoin 553303;1394410332;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 553304;1394411061;mircea_popescu;who's french ? 553305;1394411200;dexX7;karpeles 553306;1394411310;mircea_popescu;i thought he was romanian 553307;1394411429;dexX7;idk 553308;1394411552;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 697 @ 0.0041674 = 2.9047 BTC [+] {10} 553309;1394413474;dub;now now mp, .ro can't claim all the fraudsters 553310;1394413588;dub;this should be good 553311;1394413960;moiety;karpeles is french and jewish apparently 553312;1394413966;mircea_popescu;wasn't he like rescued from a romanian orphanage by some french ppls ? 553313;1394413982;mircea_popescu;i recall reading that story somewhere 553314;1394414008;moiety;wiki has him born in france 553315;1394414031;moiety;i want to add an animal hat pic to his wiki 553316;1394416217;KRS-One;;;seen vexual 553317;1394416217;gribble;vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat 553318;1394416225;KRS-One;where the fuck has that cunt been 553319;1394416228;KRS-One;.bait 553320;1394416229;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/25a8175dbf4305358b3f24e35f4e1567/tumblr_mjghninqsh1rzucwho1_500.jpg 553321;1394416239;KRS-One;titteh 553322;1394416432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 850 @ 0.00018723 = 0.1591 BTC [-] {2} 553323;1394418275;B007;.bait 553324;1394418276;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/1821cf23b8b70d761a13a2a7ea999e93/tumblr_mn1egziJZ31s6r7huo1_1280.jpg 553325;1394419421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.11829832 = 0.4732 BTC [+] {3} 553326;1394419665;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.59098333 = 3.5459 BTC [-] {3} 553327;1394419970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 93 @ 0.0039851 = 0.3706 BTC [-] {2} 553328;1394420154;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07753482 = 0.4652 BTC [-] {3} 553329;1394420214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 159 @ 0.00383052 = 0.6091 BTC [-] {7} 553330;1394420275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00385 = 0.1463 BTC [+] 553331;1394420763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00086879 = 2.9104 BTC [-] 553332;1394420824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 247 @ 0.00377606 = 0.9327 BTC [-] {5} 553333;1394422410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0424 = 0.2544 BTC [-] 553334;1394422532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00589769 = 0.171 BTC [+] {3} 553335;1394422715;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00086911 = 5.8665 BTC [+] 553336;1394423020;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26164 @ 0.00086918 = 22.7412 BTC [+] {2} 553337;1394423020;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.0058977 = 0.1062 BTC [+] 553338;1394423630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38748 @ 0.00086851 = 33.653 BTC [-] {3} 553339;1394423874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07786843 = 1.2459 BTC [+] {4} 553340;1394424058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00381111 = 0.1524 BTC [-] {2} 553341;1394424118;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07786853 = 0.2336 BTC [+] 553342;1394424412;diametric;##mtgox-chat is hilarious. So many people ran the tibannebackoffice.exe malware.. what a bunch of idiots. 553343;1394424468;diametric;i can never seem to complete an order on digikey. 553344;1394424476;diametric;I always know theres something else I'm forgetting. 553345;1394424789;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.093 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2} 553346;1394424912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3684 @ 0.00086684 = 3.1934 BTC [-] 553347;1394425338;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 553348;1394425523;dexX7;diametric: is it confirmed as malware? 553349;1394425628;dexX7;appears so.. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/200k30/the_tibannebackofficeexe_executable_is_wallet/ 553350;1394425948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.607998 BTC [+] 553351;1394426070;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 28 @ 0.00599989 = 0.168 BTC [+] {2} 553352;1394426680;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 88 @ 0.00590821 = 0.5199 BTC [+] {6} 553353;1394426684;dub;what the fuck else would it be? 553354;1394426838;dexX7;they did not leak any personal data and called mark a fat fuck -> very nice people ;) 553355;1394427171;dignork;diametric, the "decompiled" proof seems to be bullshit: 'if platform() = "MacOS" then' in windows executable, really? 553356;1394427389;dexX7;the guy says "It was created in LiveCode, a tool for easy GUI programming, which actually stores a copy of the code encrypted inside of the executable. I essentially just used a debugger and traced through till I found the code in memory and dumped the section, copying and pasting the interesting parts into this post." 553357;1394427415;dexX7;but lol 553358;1394427470;Mats_cd03;lmao livecode 553359;1394427674;Mats_cd03;better than vb6 i suppose 553360;1394427778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00086823 = 19.9693 BTC [+] {2} 553361;1394427814;dignork;oh, wow, retract my last comment, I just looked into zip, they have a Mac version too, coded in LiveCode, neat. 553362;1394428289;benkay;well done 553363;1394428295;benkay;this is actually a good thing! 553364;1394428301;benkay;stop downloading shit off the internet, noobs. 553365;1394428572;dignork;well, the data looks real, but useless mostly. BTC transactions seem to be legit, but currently I can't find any use for them. 553366;1394428937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00086996 = 34.6244 BTC [+] {2} 553367;1394429852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40650 @ 0.00087161 = 35.4309 BTC [+] {4} 553368;1394430097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11006 @ 0.00086819 = 9.5553 BTC [-] 553369;1394430706;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.043 = 0.215 BTC [+] {3} 553370;1394430828;dexX7;i run the .exe and it created a TibanneSocket.exe + revsecurity.dll file, but no cleanme.bat 553371;1394431096;Mats_cd03;did you finish stepping through the entire program 553372;1394431185;dexX7;i didn't debug, simply run and watch (+ log processes)) 553373;1394431194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0432 = 0.864 BTC [+] {2} 553374;1394431261;Mats_cd03;theres a timer 553375;1394431287;dexX7;ah 553376;1394431366;Mats_cd03;delayed execution for god knows why 553377;1394431386;dexX7;anti detection, i guess? 553378;1394431400;Mats_cd03;that would make sense if it was asm 553379;1394431409;Mats_cd03;but theres no compile process for livecode 553380;1394431476;Mats_cd03;i guess you could conceivably evade an amateur with a packet sniffer and no debugging skills 553381;1394431644;Mats_cd03;and by 'no compile' i mean JIT 553382;1394432581;benkay;.bait 553383;1394432582;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyff9jZOHi1qdxmsmo1_500.jpg 553384;1394433370;benkay;meanwhile, on the derpcyclopedia of note: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_paper_orientation 553385;1394434427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.04242666 = 1.2728 BTC [-] {3} 553386;1394434488;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.09299993 = 1.395 BTC [-] {2} 553387;1394435098;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0424 = 0.1272 BTC [-] 553388;1394435891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26850 @ 0.00086811 = 23.3088 BTC [-] {2} 553389;1394436440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21523 @ 0.00087281 = 18.7855 BTC [+] 553390;1394436603;jurov;toilet paper politics??? 553391;1394436867;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59000002 = 1.18 BTC [-] {2} 553392;1394437084;jurov;*encounters related Donald Knuth's problem* 553393;1394437090;jurov;*keels over* 553394;1394437228;benkay;i hate to reproduce hn links, but this lil gem has burst a laugh or two from me: https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1403_02-08_mickens.pdf 553395;1394437563;punkman;"FOR COMPLEX REASONS THAT ARE ROOTED IN EUROPEAN COLONIAL NARRATIVES, YOUR WIZARD MUST BE AN OLD WHITE MAN WITH A FLOWING BEARD, NOT A BLACK MAN WITH HIPSTER SHOES AND A FANTASTIC VINYL COLLECTION." 553396;1394437764;punkman;oh it's that Mickens, thought it read familiar 553397;1394437775;punkman;http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2013/12/24/10484402.aspx 553398;1394437776;ozbot;Essays from the funniest man in Microsoft Research - The Old New Thing - Site Home - MSDN Blogs 553399;1394439551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.07281885 = 4.3691 BTC [-] {17} 553400;1394439612;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 38 @ 0.07000002 = 2.66 BTC [-] {7} 553401;1394439673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 345 @ 0.00045001 = 0.1553 BTC [-] {2} 553402;1394439734;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 250 @ 0.0008731 = 0.2183 BTC [+] 553403;1394439795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 5000 @ 0.0001 = 0.5 BTC [-] {2} 553404;1394439856;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 200 @ 0.0019005 = 0.3801 BTC [-] 553405;1394439917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 750 @ 0.0008731 = 0.6548 BTC [+] 553406;1394440162;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 87 @ 0.00661879 = 0.5758 BTC [+] {3} 553407;1394440222;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.006629 = 0.1657 BTC [+] 553408;1394440344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.0008731 = 24.4031 BTC [+] 553409;1394440371;mircea_popescu;diametric: ##mtgox-chat is hilarious. So many people ran the tibannebackoffice.exe malware.. what a bunch of idiots. << waitwat! 553410;1394440415;wao-ender;:D 553411;1394440492;mircea_popescu;ahahaha this is hysterical 553412;1394440520;mircea_popescu;and THESE fuckwits "are involved" in Bitcoin, if you ask them ? they're part of "the community", according to reddit ? 553413;1394440524;mircea_popescu;idunthinkso.jpg 553414;1394440648;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay and the reason for the over "preference" is that all toilet paper they've ever seen on tv is shown that way. 553415;1394440648;gribble;The operation succeeded. 553416;1394440674;jurov;http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/ << asciilifeform 553417;1394440675;ozbot;Myths about /dev/urandom 553418;1394440782;mircea_popescu;so windows viruses / toilet paper / strong cryptography < topics on #bitcoin-assets within the past 5 minutes 553419;1394440811;jurov;and borwser monstrosities 553420;1394440896;mircea_popescu;.bait 553421;1394440897;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m45rlxmTxH1rs3miro1_500.jpg 553422;1394440902;mircea_popescu;now it's complete. 553423;1394440916;mircea_popescu;o hey, not a bad pick for once, ozbot 553424;1394440979;mircea_popescu;jurov well here we go "I believe that the gold standard for true randomness are quantum effects." 553425;1394440989;mircea_popescu;he's wrong, quantum effects are anything but random. 553426;1394441025;mircea_popescu;o wait, he doesn't mean "quantum", he just means micro, as in subatomic. nm. 553427;1394441073;jurov;well, all such claims need qualification.. and explaining what "random" means 553428;1394441076;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.08743154 = 0.612 BTC [-] {7} 553429;1394441106;mircea_popescu;"Because almost all of the cryptographic algorithms we use do not hold up to information-theoretic security. They can only offer computational security. The two exceptions that come to my mind are Shamir's Secret Sharing and the One-time pad. And while the first one may be a valid counterpoint (if you actually intend to use it), the latter is utterly impractical." 553430;1394441107;mircea_popescu;holy shit 553431;1394441111;mircea_popescu;otp impractical ?! 553432;1394441114;mircea_popescu;what is this crap. 553433;1394441135;mircea_popescu;sorry, i generally agree with his point that people overuse random for no good reason, and that entropy isn't readily understood by the average coder, 553434;1394441137;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.08631999 = 0.4316 BTC [-] {4} 553435;1394441139;mircea_popescu;especially the average coder under 50 553436;1394441144;mircea_popescu;nevertheless... i cant keep reading this 553437;1394441231;jurov;i suspected there's something amiss.. but have not enough coffeine in the blood yet 553438;1394441283;jurov;hope in 50 years we'll be only poking fun about today's cargo cults of passwords, entropy and randomness 553439;1394441311;mircea_popescu;it's circular, otp is only impractical because people have been designing things to make it impractical. otherwise otp generating doohickeys would be trivial to make. 553440;1394441991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13403 @ 0.0008731 = 11.7022 BTC [+] 553441;1394442662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.0008736 = 16.5547 BTC [+] 553442;1394443028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00087321 = 21.6993 BTC [-] {2} 553443;1394443394;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00087306 = 38.371 BTC [-] 553444;1394443483;cazalla;who can be bothered putting toilet paper on the roll? 553445;1394443500;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 553446;1394443510;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 639.89, Best ask: 641.16, Bid-ask spread: 1.27000, Last trade: 641.16, 24 hour volume: 11088.77498525, 24 hour low: 619.52, 24 hour high: 653.0, 24 hour vwap: 0 553447;1394443702;cazalla;or perhaps that just makes me a classles aussie bogan 553448;1394443984;B007;http://www.greenfieldreporter.com/view/story/0c6775a2c2d843c49887422a2f2406e3/ID--Bitcoin-Property-Sale 553449;1394443985;ozbot;Northern Idaho lakefront property for sale, payable in Bitcoin 553450;1394444080;B007;http://www.ifrasia.com/bitcoin-buying-the-drinks-in-staid-singapore/21135285.article 553451;1394444082;ozbot;Bitcoin buying the drinks in staid Singapore | People & Markets | IFRAsia 553452;1394444292;MAKABEakira;cazalla, tp hypermilers, that's who 553453;1394444370;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6156 @ 0.00087306 = 5.3746 BTC [-] {2} 553454;1394446322;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11829835 BTC [+] 553455;1394446688;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3860 @ 0.00380271 = 14.6785 BTC [-] {18} 553456;1394447243;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/ 553457;1394447244;ozbot;Georg Ritter von Flondor, and what his unhappy life can teach us pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Pope 553458;1394448640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00086813 = 20.7483 BTC [-] {2} 553459;1394448823;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00086778 = 35.6658 BTC [-] {2} 553460;1394449067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.0008723 = 21.7203 BTC [+] {3} 553461;1394449494;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00087449 = 5.6842 BTC [+] 553462;1394450104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00056046 = 0.2802 BTC [-] {3} 553463;1394450531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.0008745 = 39.44 BTC [+] {2} 553464;1394450915;Tudo_;hello, what do you think of autotrade on cryptostocks? 553465;1394452178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2333 @ 0.0008738 = 2.0386 BTC [-] 553466;1394452988;dexX7;"This stock fund listed in BitCoin will be issued, issuer is the "BITCOIN INVESTMENT GUARANTEE LIMITED" company ..." 553467;1394453082;dexX7;better triple check the credibility of the issuer. cryptostocks is somewhat known for scams 553468;1394453215;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 55 @ 0.06909454 = 3.8002 BTC [-] {9} 553469;1394455317;dexX7;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CjldZLXiAU&t=3m10s 553470;1394455318;ozbot;A LOOK INSIDE AMERICA'S LARGEST BITCOIN MINING OPERATION - YouTube 553471;1394455533;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [-] {3} 553472;1394455660;dexX7;^ this one is it 553473;1394456448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00087455 = 27.4609 BTC [+] 553474;1394456814;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.04324873 = 0.3892 BTC [+] {2} 553475;1394457180;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.043249 = 0.2162 BTC [+] 553476;1394457302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07395435 = 0.7395 BTC [+] {3} 553477;1394457729;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.0008738 = 9.6992 BTC [-] 553478;1394457951;topace;[17:16:09] <thestringpuller> topace: unlock my account 553479;1394457958;topace;^ you'll have to contact support 553480;1394458278;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 443 @ 0.00407902 = 1.807 BTC [+] {6} 553481;1394458400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00412369 = 0.4 BTC [+] {5} 553482;1394458401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.043249 = 0.173 BTC [+] 553483;1394458522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.09199999 = 1.38 BTC [+] {2} 553484;1394458523;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.043249 = 0.692 BTC [+] {2} 553485;1394458644;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 14 @ 0.13311598 = 1.8636 BTC [-] 553486;1394458711;asciilifeform;jurov, mircea_popescu, /dev/urandom: where did this horror come from. put it back on the bottom of the sea where it belongs. 553487;1394458730;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/201g66/onename_the_decentralized_identity_system_for/ 553488;1394458730;ozbot;OneName: The Decentralized Identity System for Bitcoin : Bitcoin 553489;1394459033;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: as far as i can tell, this is braindamaged. 553490;1394459254;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0934999 = 0.187 BTC [+] 553491;1394459315;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.043249 = 0.5622 BTC [+] 553492;1394459376;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.13311598 = 1.4643 BTC [-] 553493;1394459556;ThickAsThieves;i havent read it yet 553494;1394459563;ThickAsThieves;whats the fatal flaw? 553495;1394459573;ThickAsThieves;i see it uses namecoin 553496;1394459604;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: it's a web-based gizmo. could use namecoin, could use the author's arsehole for mass storage 553497;1394459620;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 44 @ 0.043249 = 1.903 BTC [+] 553498;1394459621;asciilifeform;see the discussion of 'promise vs. mechanism' in earlier logs. 553499;1394459713;mircea_popescu;$depth x.eur 553500;1394459714;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: X.EUR Bids: ['2800 @ 0.0019005', '200 @ 0.00170512', '500 @ 0.00169213', '4200 @ 0.0016245', '100 @ 0.00153846'] 553501;1394459715;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: Asks: ['749 @ 0.0021', '450 @ 0.00222699', '251 @ 0.0026', '1531 @ 0.0029', '1000 @ 0.0089'] 553502;1394459742;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.09122156 = 0.6386 BTC [-] {2} 553503;1394459921;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/mar/10/richard-branson-climate-deniers-get-out-of-the-way 553504;1394459922;ozbot;Richard Branson tells climate deniers to 'get out of the way' | Environment | theguardian.com 553505;1394459969;ThickAsThieves;Tim Cook "If you want me to do things only for ROI [return on investment] reasons, you should get out of this stock." 553506;1394459988;mircea_popescu;lolzk 553507;1394459999;mircea_popescu;anyone want to write me a put ? 553508;1394460113;jurov;oh what? BTC/EUR? 553509;1394460116;jurov;*on 553510;1394460169;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0935 = 0.4675 BTC [+] 553511;1394460177;mircea_popescu;no, on "this stock" 553512;1394460208;mircea_popescu;whatever it may be, virgin, apple, i didn't even look. whose ceo is cook nao ? 553513;1394460217;nubbins`;apple 553514;1394460226;asciilifeform;http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/us-intelligence-officials-monitor-federal-employees-security-clearances << purges! lol 553515;1394460227;ozbot;US intelligence officials to monitor federal employees with security clearances | The Rundown | PBS 553516;1394460230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09399189 = 0.188 BTC [+] {2} 553517;1394460235;nubbins`;that's correct, apple ceo says he isn't in it for investor returns :0 553518;1394460242;KRS-One;there's a novel idea 553519;1394460258;KRS-One;then they can monitor the monitors that monitor the monitors that monitor the employees. 553520;1394460263;ThickAsThieves;nubbins` did you get my msg? 553521;1394460268;mircea_popescu;KRS-One not that novel, it's been introduced by the forum investors years ago 553522;1394460271;nubbins`;sorry, nope 553523;1394460275;ThickAsThieves;ah 553524;1394460276;mircea_popescu;o nm 553525;1394460282;nubbins`;oh, wait, hold on 553526;1394460288;nubbins`;it got buried in gribble's warnings 553527;1394460291;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09539999 = 0.1908 BTC [+] {2} 553528;1394460293;ThickAsThieves;k 553529;1394460293;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you totally need to drop that ` 553530;1394460297;mircea_popescu;o or that 553531;1394460358;nubbins`;gribs totally needs to have an ;;i_fucking_know_already command that suppresses warnings 553532;1394460383;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: let me check everyone's schedule and get back to ya later today 553533;1394460384;mircea_popescu;what warnings do you get ? 553534;1394460387;ThickAsThieves;k 553535;1394460399;nubbins`;[10:47:48] <gribble> #bitcoin-otc: Watch out for fraudsters! Always check auth with the ident command, or you could be dealing with an impostor. Use gettrust to check trust paths. If in doubt, ASK IN CHANNEL. Fraud prevention guide: http://bit.ly/YCGOI3 Trust system guide: http://bit.ly/16IOdbe 553536;1394460405;ThickAsThieves;i watched wolf of wall street, first half is pretty bad, but second half was less bad 553537;1394460418;mircea_popescu;"'I get probably seven or eight hundred and I read the majority of those. Every day." he 553538;1394460427;mircea_popescu;he;s lying. nobody who actually does it advertises it. 553539;1394460430;ThickAsThieves;all i recall after the fact is the lambo lude scene 553540;1394460487;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not really purges, more like desperation. for every snowden twitter knows about there's dozens that various interests know about 553541;1394460493;mircea_popescu;maybe one hundred the chinese know about 553542;1394460508;mircea_popescu;to describe the entire operation as schweitzer would be charitable. 553543;1394460512;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves lude ?! 553544;1394460529;nubbins`;'ludes man, fuckin 'ludes 553545;1394460530;ThickAsThieves;when they take the lemmons 553546;1394460548;ThickAsThieves;mostly comedic 553547;1394460577;nubbins`;so the coin i sent to australia on january 14 finally arrived today 553548;1394460579;mircea_popescu;quaaludes ?! 553549;1394460582;ThickAsThieves;yes 553550;1394460589;mircea_popescu;wow people still take 70s drugs ? 553551;1394460592;nubbins`;i suspect the express shipping label got torn off 553552;1394460600;nubbins`;mircea_popescu i don't think they make ludes anymore 553553;1394460603;ThickAsThieves;i thought you saw the movie? 553554;1394460615;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: people still take 1880s drugs 553555;1394460618;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i didn't make it that far in 553556;1394460619;nubbins`;^ 553557;1394460620;nubbins`;heh 553558;1394460621;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that of course they do. 553559;1394460637;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and 1940s 553560;1394460678;heat;lsd was from the 40s? 553561;1394460678;ThickAsThieves;yeah i actually turned it off too 553562;1394460694;ThickAsThieves;but then wondered how the antagonist bit would go 553563;1394460712;nubbins`;lsd is from the 30s 553564;1394460715;mircea_popescu;i don't usually turn them off, i usually end up turning some chick on 553565;1394460717;mircea_popescu;same effect 553566;1394460759;nubbins`;altho TBF it took several years before they realized what it did 553567;1394460798;nubbins`;hofmann lived to 102 :0 553568;1394460826;mircea_popescu;If one guy has a Jaguar on a (government) GS-12 salary, thats a red flag, McConnell said. 553569;1394460827;mircea_popescu;epic. 553570;1394460851;mircea_popescu;"you're supposed to suck!" 553571;1394460901;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09584994 = 0.1917 BTC [+] {2} 553572;1394460952;ThickAsThieves;jaguars aren't THAT expensive 553573;1394460962;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.096 = 0.672 BTC [+] 553574;1394460973;mircea_popescu;my point exactly. 553575;1394460997;mircea_popescu;somehow people are expected to buy houses and college educations, but a jaguar throws red flags 553576;1394461009;mircea_popescu;it so happens both of those are 10x as expensive and 100x as scammy on a roi basis. 553577;1394461041;mircea_popescu;take leah of #suckstobeleah fame : she had a 175k mortgage and no jaguar. 553578;1394461047;*;nubbins` considers a "vehicles i own" section on a CV 553579;1394461084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07758495 = 0.4655 BTC [+] {2} 553580;1394461100;nubbins`;you know you've got a legit scoop when both reuters and ap shake their heads and say "nope" ;( 553581;1394461209;mircea_popescu;http://www.autotrader.co.uk/used-cars/jaguar 553582;1394461212;ozbot;Used Jaguar cars - Find a used Jaguar for sale on Auto Trader 553583;1394461218;mircea_popescu;check that shit out, you can have one for 5k 553584;1394461232;mircea_popescu;Jaguar X-Type 2.0d SE 4dr Diesel Saloon 553585;1394461232;mircea_popescu;2005 (05 reg) Saloon 553586;1394461232;mircea_popescu;SILVER, IMMACULATE CONDITION, 2 X KEEPERS FROM NEW, MOT JULY 2014, TAX, FULL SERVICE HISTORY PART MAIN DEALER, CD PLAYER, AIR-CON, MULTIFUNCTION STEERING WHEEL, HEATED SEATS, FULL 3,495 553587;1394461240;asciilifeform;5k? with engine or without 553588;1394461249;mircea_popescu;90,000 miles 553589;1394461249;mircea_popescu;Manual 553590;1394461249;mircea_popescu;2.0L 553591;1394461249;mircea_popescu;Diesel 553592;1394461254;mircea_popescu;a diesel engine 553593;1394461276;mircea_popescu;Jaguar X-Type 2.5 V6 4dr 553594;1394461276;mircea_popescu;2002 (51 reg) Saloon 553595;1394461276;mircea_popescu;Perfect runner and good condition but EML is on with code H025 so needs new exhaust sensor., SILVER, 3 owners, Next MOT due 23/02/2015, Tax expires 30/04/2014, 553596;1394461281;mircea_popescu;103,000 miles 850 553597;1394461389;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.60521428 = 4.2365 BTC [+] {4} 553598;1394461400;mircea_popescu;i guess the min cost to troll the monitors would be ~1.5k 553599;1394461424;mircea_popescu;which you know, most serious partyers can drop on a single bottle. 553600;1394461453;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you drink Fluorinert? some party! 553601;1394461472;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i take it you don't do much in the way of the club scene huh 553602;1394461488;asciilifeform;haha nope 553603;1394461503;mircea_popescu;http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/the-businessman-who-ran-up-203-752576 553604;1394461507;mircea_popescu;http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/russian-multimillionaires-rack-up-130000-tab-going-headtohead-in-bar-bill-contest-8870845.html 553605;1394461569;asciilifeform;only worth drinking this if it can be pissed out into a golden toilet. 553606;1394461593;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves, what's the deadline for this 553607;1394461634;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'd say only worth drinking if you're not drunk 553608;1394461640;nubbins`;^ 553609;1394461640;mircea_popescu;or surrounded by athletes, for that matter. 553610;1394461662;mircea_popescu;anyway, consider : 553611;1394461662;mircea_popescu;His biography reads: Despite his tender years, Alex is a name to watch out for in the city. An expert in the UK economy, he works the currency markets, regularly trading millions. 553612;1394461671;mircea_popescu;to stop wondering where the forum tards come from. 553613;1394461683;mircea_popescu;they come from the queue outside the playground, waiting to fellate these idiots. 553614;1394461694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00408799 = 0.1022 BTC [+] {2} 553615;1394461697;mircea_popescu;Describing his rapid career rise from humble beginnings to working for trading company Zone Invest Group, it adds: A talented, charismatic and thoroughly likeable man, Alex Hope exudes knowledge and you cant help but respect and admire this self-taught and self-made young trader. 553616;1394461756;mircea_popescu;Alex Hope made his first trade around five years ago, while he was still working at a fast food bar and now claims to earn a six-figure salary. He made his first deals on his mobile phone during the commute to his day job, after a spread betting seminar shortly before his 18th birthday. 553617;1394461765;mircea_popescu;expert in the uk economy and britney spearism. 553618;1394461809;mircea_popescu;It was meant to be just an extra hobby alongside football, Alex explained 553619;1394461871;nubbins`;lel 553620;1394461891;mircea_popescu;and from the other one : 553621;1394461892;mircea_popescu;"The victorious punter jumped up and down waving his receipt in the air when the bills were added up shortly before closing time at the club, at the Embassy venue in Old Burlington Street. The nightclub has not revealed the identity of the big spenders." 553622;1394461905;mircea_popescu;imagine : spend a hundred grand and allow them to tell you when the thing closes ? 553623;1394461921;mircea_popescu;my brain doesn't manage to cope with the alternate reality these kids live in. 553624;1394462017;nubbins`;shit's funny in london 553625;1394462030;nubbins`;the bar closes, you fuckin leave, end of story 553626;1394462035;mircea_popescu;myeah. wouldn't visit if they paid me. 553627;1394462052;nubbins`;big burly doofuses in SECURITY jackets appear out of nowhere 553628;1394462060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00087479 = 7.6982 BTC [+] {2} 553629;1394462297;ThickAsThieves;ThickAsThieves, what's the deadline for this /// hrm, faster the better, if i can't get it in a couple days I'll just go with a typographic design 553630;1394462311;ThickAsThieves;yesterday, basically 553631;1394462337;ThickAsThieves;project was thrown together 553632;1394462345;ThickAsThieves;and now they wanna promote it etc 553633;1394462382;ThickAsThieves;i offered to help, but didnt realize how rusty my drawing skills are 553634;1394462400;ThickAsThieves;my own attempts have been shit 553635;1394462975;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41873 @ 0.0008738 = 36.5886 BTC [-] 553636;1394462976;heat;does it snow in romania? 553637;1394463197;thestringpuller;topace: thanks! :D 553638;1394463253;kakobrekla;yes heat , when you are not around 553639;1394463365;heat;do you guys make fun of americans when they tour the cities there? 553640;1394463422;mike_c;who is 'you guys'? this isn't the all-romania channel. 553641;1394463463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00087452 = 20.901 BTC [+] 553642;1394463534;heat;oh i thought 553643;1394463546;heat;this was purely a Romanian channel 553644;1394463577;kakobrekla;nope, just one gypsy playing his guitar 553645;1394463711;heat;when people come and visit popescu does he break the plates they ate on 553646;1394463713;heat;after he leaves? 553647;1394463716;heat;after they leave? 553648;1394463726;Mats_cd03;everyone everywhere resents touristd 553649;1394463740;asciilifeform;heat: i think only orthodox gypsies do this 553650;1394463743;Mats_cd03;^tourists 553651;1394463764;mircea_popescu;heat sure. 553652;1394463772;heat;is it like a party or do you just 553653;1394463773;heat;throw them in the trash 553654;1394463793;kakobrekla;its just that he is so rich he does not need to wash them, ever 553655;1394463798;heat;i see 553656;1394463803;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla so then what do the girls do all day 553657;1394463810;kakobrekla;make pottery? 553658;1394463822;asciilifeform;mine uranium? 553659;1394463833;mircea_popescu;http://www.bondagecrazy.com/archives/gina_kitchen.jpg etc 553660;1394463859;kakobrekla;beats me, maybe they go house to house selling trilema credits 553661;1394463872;heat;lol 553662;1394463873;asciilifeform;http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/10/ukraine-nuclear/6250815 << loll! 553663;1394463873;ozbot;Ukraine may have to go nuclear, says Kiev lawmaker 553664;1394463878;heat;wow thats a small sink 553665;1394463880;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla no here it's bundled with the cable subscription 553666;1394463886;kakobrekla;:DD 553667;1394463887;asciilifeform;'please send us a few sovnukes back' 553668;1394463901;mircea_popescu;aka snukes ?! 553669;1394463907;heat;that sounds not to bad u just leave here there all day and 553670;1394463911;heat;walk by and fuck her whenever. 553671;1394463921;mircea_popescu;who is this guy 553672;1394463931;heat;a terrible speller 553673;1394463940;heat;im a fan of romania. 553674;1394463944;heat;i think ill move there one day 553675;1394463951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00087378 = 20.0533 BTC [-] {2} 553676;1394463959;mircea_popescu;by the latest news, so will a number of ukrainians 553677;1394463964;mircea_popescu;they won't even have ot leave their houses 553678;1394463967;asciilifeform;haha 553679;1394463998;asciilifeform;maybe i can get an Amazing Free Ro passport. 553680;1394463998;mircea_popescu;sie gonnen mir nicht Schlesien und die Grafschaft Glatz... 553681;1394464012;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 350 @ 0.00056898 = 0.1991 BTC [+] {3} 553682;1394464042;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the ro passport is pretty good i tell you. of all the people i've been with all over the world, mine's been overall the best treated. 553683;1394464070;asciilifeform;i believe it. 553684;1394464071;mircea_popescu;everyone else is hated somewhere or other. 553685;1394464118;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yqTuWCiM4g 553686;1394464118;ozbot;The Gypsy's Wife - Leonard Cohen - YouTube 553687;1394464136;heat;how can you hate the country where nadia comaneci is from 553688;1394464154;heat;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j7E7pvLxmI&feature=kp 553689;1394464155;ozbot;Cinderella - Gypsy Road - YouTube 553690;1394464244;nubbins`;i've been asked more than once if i was a fake canadian when travellers see the flag on my pack 553691;1394464257;heat;what can be gained 553692;1394464259;heat;by being a fake canadian 553693;1394464263;nubbins`;apparently it's fashionable for americans to pretend not to be american 553694;1394464264;mircea_popescu;lol 553695;1394464266;nubbins`;when overseas 553696;1394464271;heat;now that i can see 553697;1394464276;heat;who the fuck wants to be american 553698;1394464278;mike_c;not fashionable, more like recommended. 553699;1394464293;heat;i here Americans will get gang banged in a dark ally just for being 553700;1394464297;mike_c;people are jealous of us. it's difficult sometimes. 553701;1394464303;heat;jealous of us, HAH 553702;1394464309;heat;annoyed by us, more realistic . 553703;1394464365;nubbins`;heh 553704;1394464383;nubbins`;TBF none of the american travellers i've met have been particularly brash 553705;1394464392;nubbins`;aside from the group of guys from las vegas i met in colombia 553706;1394464409;nubbins`;australians and israelis are the ones that will give you headaches 553707;1394464421;mircea_popescu;yeah in fairness the derpy us traveller of the 70s and 80s has been replaced by a much more understated kind. 553708;1394464457;nubbins`;the derpiness just shifts around. before americans it was the british -- you can still see this if you find older brits 553709;1394464467;heat;lol derpy 553710;1394464475;heat;my dad backpacked across EU in the 70s 553711;1394464480;heat;he may have been derpy i dont know 553712;1394464488;nubbins`;"i thought it was port macdonald! my camera has ten zooms!" -elderly british woman i met in puerto maldonado, peru 553713;1394464488;heat;he did eat the hash brownies tho. 553714;1394464489;mircea_popescu;not sure who it is now, cause the chinese aren't really obnoxious 553715;1394464501;nubbins`;it's the aussies now 553716;1394464520;mircea_popescu;aussies can afford to travel outside their island !?! 553717;1394464526;nubbins`;i know, crazy right? 553718;1394464539;mircea_popescu;on what, specially trained kangaroos ? 553719;1394464542;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: what the fuck? Yes they are. I work with a Chinese co-op...just...don't even get my started. 553720;1394464552;mircea_popescu;no by all means, start, start. 553721;1394464553;nubbins`;all that free space has bred permanent outside-voices into them 553722;1394464555;mircea_popescu;wtf is a chinese co-op 553723;1394464568;thestringpuller;he is a student working a full time position 553724;1394464583;thestringpuller;and he is from china hence chinese 553725;1394464590;mircea_popescu;a co-operated chinese student :D 553726;1394464606;mircea_popescu;like those dual control cars from driver school 553727;1394464620;thestringpuller;buuut he is pretty derpy in that he would rather pay money on league of legends characters than have a girlfriend who provides you with sex 553728;1394464622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00087353 = 5.5906 BTC [-] 553729;1394464624;thestringpuller;SO I MEAN 553730;1394464627;thestringpuller;like 553731;1394464629;thestringpuller;...... 553732;1394464637;mircea_popescu;so how does this affect you ?! 553733;1394464672;thestringpuller;It confuses me! It affects me in that way. 553734;1394464687;mircea_popescu;aok 553735;1394464708;nubbins`;hm, il neige 553736;1394464715;thestringpuller;snow? 553737;1394464724;nubbins`;oui 553738;1394464741;nubbins`;je suis fatigué de l'hiver ;( 553739;1394464766;mircea_popescu;l'ennui de hiver du nubbins 553740;1394464774;nubbins`;D: 553741;1394464788;cazalla;i've run into americans saying they are canadian in australia 553742;1394464799;cazalla;we call them seppos here 553743;1394464854;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5619550#msg5619550 553744;1394464855;ozbot;[Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus 553745;1394464861;mircea_popescu;ahaha check it out, the doofus actually claims they made a gain. 553746;1394464869;mircea_popescu;pity deprived ran off, this usagi needs his pair. 553747;1394464991;mike_c;i love how proud he is that he only lost 12%. 553748;1394465000;mircea_popescu;didn't he claim he gained ~11.5% ? 553749;1394465012;mike_c;"it dropped by a total of 11.6% from inception to final return of capital " 553750;1394465017;mircea_popescu;"And as for the subsequent performance of that fund, if you had bothered to check, you would have found that in fact, it dropped by a total of 11.6% from inception to final return of capital -- thereby outperforming every other comparable fund available" 553751;1394465020;mircea_popescu;nm, jesus christ. 553752;1394465028;mircea_popescu;this guy is usagi. srsly now, EXACTLY the same. 553753;1394465042;mircea_popescu;objector : "here are the numbers. you fucked up" 553754;1394465062;mircea_popescu;usagi : a) this is a different scam than the other scam and generally this should not be discussed here or in this way or etc ; 553755;1394465079;mircea_popescu;b) we lost X according to Y creative counting method which is BETTER THAN ANY ALTERNATIVE AVAILABLE!!11 553756;1394465346;mircea_popescu;"it appears that Mircea Popescu either can't be bothered to read or has so convinced himself of his own godliness that he thinks he can just make stuff up and the band of sycophantic pseudonyms will eat it up with stars in their eyes." 553757;1394465357;mircea_popescu;why do people hate people! why can't we all get along! 553758;1394465373;mircea_popescu;why should the stupid not realise they're stupid and fall into line! 553759;1394465415;ThickAsThieves;how dare you overestimate how badly his fund performed 553760;1394465426;mircea_popescu;have i ? 553761;1394465431;mircea_popescu;o you mean by rounding 11.6 to 12 ? 553762;1394465442;ThickAsThieves;it only lost 11%, while labcoin lost much more! 553763;1394465459;mike_c;um, so are they sycophants or pseduonyms? there are some serious logical fallacies in his bullshit. 553764;1394465473;ThickAsThieves;by these measures pankkake's PIF is the real deal investment 553765;1394465474;mircea_popescu;o that. this incidentally is quite common scammer strategy, make a palette of crap, because of this particular psychological inclination of the uneducated mind 553766;1394465484;mircea_popescu;did pif lose anything yet ? 553767;1394465491;ThickAsThieves;it can't 553768;1394465500;mircea_popescu;clearly going for the long con, that pif 553769;1394465520;mircea_popescu;mike_c the best part of it being, of course, all the panache with which he delivers it. 553770;1394465524;ThickAsThieves;being that the only way to lose is if pankkake runs, and if someone actually buys any 553771;1394465638;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/TamEcclestone/status/442956413066035200 553772;1394465639;ozbot;Twitter / TamEcclestone: One week to go http://t.co/U9uaxnouTi 553773;1394465643;mircea_popescu;chick's pretty hawt. 553774;1394465716;mircea_popescu;(bernie's kid) 553775;1394465845;nubbins`;imagine googling your mother's name and finding that 553776;1394465873;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't have it any other way, tbh 553777;1394465987;mircea_popescu;talk about the fucking digital revolution : you can't find a picture of bernie ecclestone without white hair if you search for an entire day 553778;1394465994;mircea_popescu;yet most of what he did happened before he went old. 553779;1394466005;mircea_popescu;http://www.thosewerethedays.org.uk/images/motor-racing-stories/bernie-ecclestone-el-grafico.jpg 553780;1394466012;mircea_popescu;there we go, thanks god for the ethnic market. 553781;1394466025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0426 = 0.1278 BTC [-] 553782;1394466148;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 553783;1394466329;Apocalyptic;is there any decent chart site for bitcoin-central ? 553784;1394466362;mircea_popescu;i think it used to be on bitcoincharts 553785;1394466391;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04255 = 0.1702 BTC [-] {2} 553786;1394466393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.095998 = 0.384 BTC [-] {2} 553787;1394466394;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] 553788;1394466574;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.13311598 = 0.5325 BTC [-] {2} 553789;1394466636;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27950 @ 0.00087471 = 24.4481 BTC [+] {2} 553790;1394466725;Mats_cd03;what is pankkake working on 553791;1394466814;Apocalyptic;mircea, indeed it's there, ty 553792;1394466940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] 553793;1394467041;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/443052915755061248 553794;1394467041;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: We will bury you. @MattMEgan5 ... 553795;1394467184;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.42574219 BTC to 3`681 shares, 65899 satoshi per share 553796;1394467306;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.004025 = 0.1771 BTC [-] {2} 553797;1394467794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0935 = 0.187 BTC [+] {2} 553798;1394467857;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 553799;1394468038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.04275 = 0.3848 BTC [-] 553800;1394468343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48957 @ 0.00087519 = 42.8467 BTC [+] {3} 553801;1394468587;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-] 553802;1394468709;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.004 = 0.2 BTC [+] 553803;1394468732;Mats_cd03;http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=57298 553804;1394468732;ozbot;The Average Peen & Height Chart Of The World [Pic] | I Am Bored 553805;1394468770;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0432 = 0.216 BTC [+] 553806;1394468774;Mats_cd03;til dongs in ecuador r enormous 553807;1394468978;mircea_popescu;didja know the main driver in penis size is female whorishness ? 553808;1394468993;Mats_cd03;go on 553809;1394469002;asciilifeform;;;google primate ball size 553810;1394469003;gribble;Large testicles mean greater infidelity, research finds - Telegraph: <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/10603957/Large-testicles-mean-greater-infidelity-research-finds.html>; Primate Store - Primate Enrichment Toys: <http://www.primatestore.com/monkey_toys.asp>; Female Promiscuity Controls the Size of Your Testicles - Joe Quirk: <http://www.joequirk.com/Sample_3.html> 553811;1394469008;mircea_popescu;the more women fuck around, the more strongly large penises are selected for. 553812;1394469044;Mats_cd03;thats unfortunate 553813;1394469059;nubbins`;ehh 553814;1394469061;Mats_cd03;my dong is average size 553815;1394469073;nubbins`;so these women, they get preggo and keep the babby? 553816;1394469083;mircea_popescu;nubbins` which women 553817;1394469089;nubbins`;the ones you're talking about 553818;1394469108;mircea_popescu;on the timescale discussed all women keep all babies. 553819;1394469119;MisterE;anyone use gekko? 553820;1394469136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15930 @ 0.00087204 = 13.8916 BTC [-] {2} 553821;1394469139;mircea_popescu;as in the webkit ? 553822;1394469168;MisterE;no the bot https://github.com/askmike/gekko/tree/master/docs 553823;1394469169;nubbins`;so access to safe, legal abortions would, in theory, cause a decrease in dick and ball size 553824;1394469171;nubbins`;interesting 553825;1394469172;Mats_cd03;"The testicles are even larger in sea urchins. They spawn directly into the ocean. To increase the chance of fertilising an egg, the sea urchin is a huge testicle with a little shell around it." 553826;1394469200;MisterE;Mats_cd03: yea when they spawn the whole ocean floor has a 2' thick layer of cum 553827;1394469202;Mats_cd03;i had sea urchin a year ago and i didnt realize i was swallowing urchin cum 553828;1394469219;MisterE;looks like milky water 553829;1394469221;Mats_cd03;surprisingly creamy with a great texture...im gay 553830;1394469225;mircea_popescu;nubbins` no, monogamy is neutral 553831;1394469230;mircea_popescu;promiscuity is selective 553832;1394469250;punkman1;Mats_cd03: that's usually the female's eggs 553833;1394469282;Mats_cd03;the telegraph doesnt think so 553834;1394469284;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 well not gay, no. urchay ? 553835;1394469340;MisterE;thats kind of how salmon spawn too 553836;1394469358;MisterE;mom lays eggs and dad cums over them, water is full of it 553837;1394469371;Mats_cd03;"When the female lions in the pride are in heat, he must mate with all the females every half-hour for three days.” 553838;1394469382;MisterE;lucky fucker 553839;1394469398;Mats_cd03;reminds me of bruised peaches and futurama 553840;1394469399;mircea_popescu;MisterE you only think so on account of your tender years. 553841;1394469414;Mats_cd03;MisterE gives me the impression hes in high school 553842;1394469417;MisterE;:D not so tender as you may think 553843;1394469421;MisterE;lol 553844;1394469426;MisterE;thats irc for you 553845;1394469446;mircea_popescu;so how old are you then ? 553846;1394469456;MisterE;this channel is pretty mature but doesn't it bring the kid out in all of us a bit? 553847;1394469462;MisterE;we say shit on irc we wouldnt say irl 553848;1394469472;mircea_popescu;contrary to what kids normally think, it's not a crime being a kid 553849;1394469476;Mats_cd03;uh no 553850;1394469487;Mats_cd03;i talk about niggers.txt and bitcoin transaction malleability irl 553851;1394469492;Mats_cd03;isnt that normal 553852;1394469506;mircea_popescu;well... "normal". 553853;1394469513;mircea_popescu;"Bitcoin Foundation will be charged with a criminal complaint in 2014" 553854;1394469523;mircea_popescu;holy fucksticks on a wheel! 553855;1394469538;MisterE;there's a non-headline 553856;1394469541;MisterE;must be /. 553857;1394469544;mircea_popescu;how fucktarded do you need to be to not realise that a foundation is a juristic person and as such immune from criminal prosecution ? 553858;1394469558;mircea_popescu;and how much more fucktarded than that do you need to be to go sprouting your derpage around as if you were a human being! 553859;1394469573;mircea_popescu;i blame the schools. these people should have been abused into insanity long before reaching the internet. 553860;1394469573;MisterE;/.? 553861;1394469581;mircea_popescu;MisterE no, bitbet. 553862;1394469622;thestringpuller;LOL! 553863;1394469624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.004 = 2 BTC [+] 553864;1394469688;nubbins`;https://www.technosport.com/_images/Banners/FrontPageBanners/Oakley_2014_EN.jpg 553865;1394469689;nubbins`;lelelelelel 553866;1394469696;nubbins`;that was the best photo they took? 553867;1394469702;Mats_cd03;ever read The Epicurean Dealmaker, mp? finance+philosophy, seems up your alley 553868;1394469715;mircea_popescu;nope. 553869;1394469723;Mats_cd03;needs more cleavage nubbins` 553870;1394469729;thestringpuller;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EyMGt1M-Rs - mircea_popescu 553871;1394469730;nubbins`;needs less herp 553872;1394469756;moiety;mew happy monday all, how goes? 553873;1394469813;mircea_popescu;jus' same old. 553874;1394469833;mircea_popescu;Youd think this would be paradise for the males. Wrong. Every male chimp is a cuckold. Chimp alpha males are in a tizzy, running around trying to stop secret copulations between females and lower-ranking males, but the female drive for sexual variety outwits the male chimps while they are busy fighting. Alphas can only control one or two of these nymphomaniacs at once, who throw themselves on male penises every time 553875;1394469833;mircea_popescu;the alpha males back is turned. Males can only strategize for a higher percentage of copulations, never for faithfulness. When a chimp female in heat presents her posterior to a male, there could be any number of different guys sperms already swimming around in there. 553876;1394469833;mircea_popescu;This is why primatologists never watch TV. When females go into estrus, the chimp-offs are pure entertainment. Its funny, violent, full of chases and trickery, and its X-ratedimagine a pornographic Three Stooges and the researchers get to claim that counting erections is scientific research. 553877;1394469846;mircea_popescu;i thought that's what reality tv is supposed to be 553878;1394469868;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04275 = 0.4275 BTC [-] 553879;1394470026;Mats_cd03;http://epicureandealmaker.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/goodwill-hunting.html 553880;1394470026;ozbot;The Epicurean Dealmaker: Goodwill Hunting 553881;1394470041;moiety;reminds me of the penguins. the first researcher was so horrified by what he found, he didn't publish his work... leaving the next batch to go find 553882;1394470054;Mats_cd03;on accounting, HP, and HP's purchase of Autonomy 553883;1394470089;moiety;the penguins were having sex with a decapitated females head placed near some rocks 553884;1394470098;jcpham;just watched the most awesome investigative TV news report on bitcoin from KWTF in bumfuck, Montana 553885;1394470103;jcpham;way better than Newsweak 553886;1394470110;mircea_popescu;jcpham transcript ? 553887;1394470149;jcpham;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CjldZLXiAU 553888;1394470150;ozbot;A LOOK INSIDE AMERICA'S LARGEST BITCOIN MINING OPERATION - YouTube 553889;1394470155;jcpham;sorry no transcript 553890;1394470172;jcpham;Dorain is definitely satoshi though 553891;1394470173;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04240011 = 0.1272 BTC [-] 553892;1394470178;jcpham;did you see those squinty eyes? 553893;1394470196;mircea_popescu;heh mkay. 553894;1394470400;mircea_popescu;moiety you ever see that turtle fucking a shoe ? 553895;1394470471;moiety;no but i did see that guy get banned from twitter for fucking a hotpocket 553896;1394470481;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/complaint-against-priest-wayne-dohey-filed-with-rnc-1.2566509 553897;1394470482;ozbot;Complaint against priest Wayne Dohey filed with RNC - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News 553898;1394470494;nubbins`;"Dohey had been charged in 2007 with sexual assault and sexual exploitation. Those charges were dismissed by a judge." 553899;1394470496;nubbins`;THE RIGHT CALL 553900;1394470539;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 400 @ 0.0019005 = 0.7602 BTC [-] 553901;1394470567;mircea_popescu;;;google turtle fucks a shoe 553902;1394470568;gribble;Turtle Fucking a Shoe - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHI8LnoixFE>; TURTLE FUCKING ADIDAS-SHOE - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl5F1wNg6pc>; Turtle Fucks Boot - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn-gvKSCHT4> 553903;1394470685;moiety;omg 553904;1394470703;moiety;mircea_popescu: lolol turtles make pretty ace sex noises, just a shame it wasn't a nike 553905;1394470722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 750 @ 0.0008679 = 0.6509 BTC [-] 553906;1394470722;jcpham;what flavor was the hot pocket 553907;1394470732;moiety;ham and cheese 553908;1394470749;jcpham;i like the meatballs and mozzarella 553909;1394470765;moiety;hot mozarella... think that over 553910;1394470769;nubbins`;you guys don't put that shit in your bodies, do you? 553911;1394470777;nubbins`;:( 553912;1394470779;jcpham;you gotta let it cool to body temp first 553913;1394470793;moiety;i can happily say i havent been in the same room as a hot pocket... do you even get them here 553914;1394470794;jcpham;nubbins` i rarely eat a) 553915;1394470801;jcpham;and rarely eat helthy b) 553916;1394470807;moiety;jcpham: he realised this and put it in the fridge after he mocrowaved it 553917;1394470810;nubbins`;tsk tsk 553918;1394470812;moiety;microwaved* 553919;1394470818;nubbins`;if you don't take care of your body, where will you live? 553920;1394470832;jcpham;under a bridge 553921;1394470837;jcpham;as it should be 553922;1394470852;nubbins`;point missed ;D 553923;1394470866;nubbins`;if you don't take care of your body, where will your brain live? 553924;1394470876;jcpham;by lack of eating properly is this ADHD/sacrifice thing. Slightly motivated possibly by greed 553925;1394470888;jcpham;I value X time > Y time eating 553926;1394470901;*;jurov sends jcpham some soylent 553927;1394470909;jcpham;well... 553928;1394470919;jcpham;it's sort of the same way with excretions too 553929;1394470923;jcpham;#1 and #2 553930;1394470930;jcpham;i've got issues 553931;1394470956;jcpham;would eat ramen every day if that was my shoice 553932;1394470994;nubbins`;that shit will pickle your insides! 553933;1394471027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31100 @ 0.00086834 = 27.0054 BTC [+] {2} 553934;1394471030;jcpham;don't worry i'm not on any track that would keep me here long 553935;1394471036;nubbins`;altho tbf i have eaten my share of kimchi ramyeon 553936;1394471044;jcpham;i shant use up your air/food/water 553937;1394471050;nubbins`;oh! then in that case, carry on 553938;1394471081;moiety;nubbins`: consider my insides pickled 553939;1394471088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 250 @ 0.00056897 = 0.1422 BTC [+] {3} 553940;1394471105;mircea_popescu;isn't ramen basically a cheap noodle ? 553941;1394471121;moiety;yep thats all it is, just instant noodles 553942;1394471139;jurov;plus salt and spice 553943;1394471146;moiety;natural staple of moieties everywhere 553944;1394471149;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 600 @ 0.00598267 = 3.5896 BTC [+] {10} 553945;1394471150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.04240202 = 0.636 BTC [+] {4} 553946;1394471151;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07753968 = 0.2326 BTC [-] 553947;1394471155;jurov;errr. no spice. flavor. 553948;1394471178;moiety;i like them spicy 553949;1394471185;nubbins`;http://blog.korea.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/suzychung_ramyeon_jin.jpg 553950;1394471187;mircea_popescu;moiety what are these moieties ? just halfsies ? 553951;1394471188;nubbins`;^ best kind 553952;1394471204;KRS-One;enough salt in ramen spice packs to trigger a heart attack in many 553953;1394471207;moiety;yeah i didn't think that one through did i mircea_popescu 553954;1394471210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00599792 = 2.999 BTC [+] {5} 553955;1394471232;nubbins`;KRS-One nod 553956;1394471235;jurov;they really put faux egg/vegetables there? 553957;1394471244;nubbins`;jurov those were added after the fact 553958;1394471244;mircea_popescu;a so it's the spice packs that are supposed to do the pickling huh 553959;1394471259;nubbins`;generally you just get spice and a few freeze dried bits 553960;1394471270;nubbins`;but it's popular to put spring onion and an egg in the boiling water 553961;1394471271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 303 @ 0.00599899 = 1.8177 BTC [+] {2} 553962;1394471272;moiety;sometimes palm oil 553963;1394471277;jurov;yep , same here, called "vifon" 553964;1394471283;moiety;i like to make mine with an egg 553965;1394471289;KRS-One;hmm i should try that 553966;1394471292;nubbins`;it's much nicer with an egg 553967;1394471304;nubbins`;and fresh green onion 553968;1394471304;moiety;i don't really mix it in though 553969;1394471313;mircea_popescu;this should be #bitcoin-frugality henceforth 553970;1394471325;nubbins`;korean food is nothing if not frugal 553971;1394471329;KRS-One;cheap enough to get me through my broke, practically homeless days in college 553972;1394471332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4922 @ 0.00086758 = 4.2702 BTC [-] 553973;1394471347;nubbins`;delicious hot homemade soup delivered to your door in a stone bowl with metal cutlery and 2-3 side dishes: $3.50 553974;1394471359;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you should have lived in egypt. 553975;1394471369;asciilifeform;nubbins`: korean food is nothing if not frugal << 1 bear trap, 1 street dog ? 553976;1394471370;nubbins`;when you're done, you put the dishes outside your apartment door and they come back to collect them 553977;1394471372;mircea_popescu;i had this > 1lb dish that cost 5 lyra (a shade under a dollar) 553978;1394471372;moiety;basically, i don't like cooking just for me. noodles is quick. i don't see the point in making other things when there isn't anyone to feed them to 553979;1394471376;mircea_popescu;best shit i ever ate. 553980;1394471384;nubbins`;asciilifeform they breed the soup dogs, they don't catch strays ;D 553981;1394471412;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, moroccan food, same thing 553982;1394471413;moiety;nubbins`: actually its illegal in korea. vietnam the do pick up any dog going 553983;1394471431;nubbins`;moiety: it's a fairly common practice, i had a few offers to take me out for it 553984;1394471450;mircea_popescu;i dunno what they put in it, but it's basically a noodle in vegetable sauce 553985;1394471455;mircea_popescu;i suspect a lot of chickpea 553986;1394471458;mircea_popescu;and lentils 553987;1394471463;nubbins`;mmm 553988;1394471470;nubbins`;i should start sprouting lentils again. 553989;1394471477;mircea_popescu;no meat whatsoever, but also no unsavory chemicals 553990;1394471480;nubbins`;nod 553991;1394471487;nubbins`;that's the big difference 553992;1394471487;mircea_popescu;it's what most of cairo's 10mn population lives on, for the record. 553993;1394471496;mircea_popescu;7 to 9 mn pounds of that stuff a day. 553994;1394471506;nubbins`;most "food" in the western world is full of sodium benzoate and shit 553995;1394471516;mircea_popescu;canned shit. yeah it's unedible. 553996;1394471520;moiety;a woman just had her son taken off her for feeding him 9 litres of goats milk a day for 6 months 553997;1394471533;moiety;he might have permanent kidney damage 553998;1394471537;mircea_popescu;moiety that's not so bright 553999;1394471542;nubbins`;heh. 554000;1394471554;nubbins`;oh, a friend has some goat meat that he wants to sausage 554001;1394471557;nubbins`;duck, too 554002;1394471563;nubbins`;i suggested making a blend of duck and moose 554003;1394471563;moiety;no, she wasn't well. poor wee boy is only 12 hasnt had solid food for half a year 554004;1394471567;mircea_popescu;duck doesn't sausage 554005;1394471571;mircea_popescu;maybe with a lot of liver. 554006;1394471574;nubbins`;no? 554007;1394471594;nubbins`;have never tried fowl, altho i've had store-bought turkey kielbasa 554008;1394471602;mircea_popescu;generally fowl and game mixes are frowned upon, but i couldnt tell you why exactly 554009;1394471606;mircea_popescu;tho i suspect it's legit. 554010;1394471643;nubbins`;interesting 554011;1394471644;mircea_popescu;you can make some excellent pheasant with foie gras "sausage" tho. 554012;1394471648;nubbins`;maybe the flavors just don't go well 554013;1394471663;nubbins`;i was only thinking to add moose because it's so dry and duck is greasy 554014;1394471684;mircea_popescu;obviously you render it first. 554015;1394471712;mircea_popescu;anyway, do you have truffles where you live ? or too cold / 554016;1394471775;nubbins`;i don't think so. 554017;1394471790;nubbins`;plenty of edible mushrooms tho 554018;1394471796;nubbins`;chanterelles in particular 554019;1394471846;mircea_popescu;still this is something i want to try now, get a pheasant, plum and gut it, boil down the carcass until everythin comes off 554020;1394471867;mircea_popescu;then select the meat, concentrate the juice, add foie gras patee'd and thin black perigord truffle 554021;1394471872;mircea_popescu;and stuff the thing. 554022;1394471903;nubbins`;interesting 554023;1394471904;mircea_popescu;smoke lightly (mostly to dry it) on something like hickory 554024;1394471922;nubbins`;i'd love to have a smoker 554025;1394471927;nubbins`;maybe this summer 554026;1394471928;mircea_popescu;it's not hard to make really. 554027;1394471931;nubbins`;nod 554028;1394471938;nubbins`;you can buy basic ones for ~$50 too 554029;1394471943;mircea_popescu;just give it enough space to dry the o no no 554030;1394471948;mircea_popescu;a smoker is a concrete building. 554031;1394471972;nubbins`;ah heh! 554032;1394471974;kakobrekla;kielbasa? 554033;1394471981;nubbins`;i was thinking something this size: http://www.topicalsalve.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/diy_smoker_parts_large.jpg 554034;1394471985;kakobrekla;is that a thing? 554035;1394471985;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuOsecaN9lE << had no idea this was on youtube 554036;1394471986;ozbot;execution Marshal Ion Antonescu - YouTube 554037;1394471997;mircea_popescu;that thing's awful. 554038;1394472002;mircea_popescu;nubbins` think of the letter h 554039;1394472004;nubbins`;well what do i know about it :D 554040;1394472013;nubbins`;kakobrekla, sure 554041;1394472013;mircea_popescu;the right side has a fire pit 554042;1394472021;mircea_popescu;the upper left side holds the meats to be smoked 554043;1394472029;nubbins`;kolbassa, kielbasa, as many spellings as there are types 554044;1394472032;mircea_popescu;there's an air intake on to the right where the h curves 554045;1394472035;nubbins`;nod 554046;1394472042;nubbins`;that's the style i'm familiar with 554047;1394472046;mircea_popescu;right. 554048;1394472048;kakobrekla;kolbassa? really. we call it klobasa. 554049;1394472049;mircea_popescu;these pot things... meh. 554050;1394472050;nubbins`;just found that image after a "diy smoker" search 554051;1394472052;Mats_cd03;i like pecan for smoking everything 554052;1394472066;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 pecan'd work great for this yeah 554053;1394472068;Mats_cd03;better than hickory imo but it can be expensive if theyre not local 554054;1394472078;mircea_popescu;or maybe pistachio shell 554055;1394472079;nubbins`;how about cedar? 554056;1394472101;Mats_cd03;no 554057;1394472104;nubbins`;shame 554058;1394472104;Mats_cd03;dont use cedar or pine 554059;1394472108;nubbins`;they almost give that shit away 554060;1394472109;mircea_popescu;yeah awfl idea. 554061;1394472123;nubbins`;i've had cedar planked salmon 554062;1394472125;mircea_popescu;cedar is for making masts 554063;1394472137;Mats_cd03;i don't know exactly why, but it has to do with 'planking' v 'smoking' and theres resin in those woods 554064;1394472186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99150 @ 0.00086751 = 86.0136 BTC [-] {3} 554065;1394472210;nubbins`;yeah 554066;1394472213;Mats_cd03;ive only been to one bad bbq ribs place in my life (<6 on a 1-10 scale) and they used cedar for their meats... tastes like smoked soot ass 554067;1394472240;nubbins`;i guess when the cedar combusts it gets gross, but is fine up to that point 554068;1394472255;nubbins`;which isn't that unusual 554069;1394472309;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.04314545 = 0.4746 BTC [+] {3} 554070;1394472337;Mats_cd03;http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/woods.html pretty good guide 554071;1394472338;ozbot;All About Smoke Woods - The Virtual Weber Bullet 554072;1394472370;nubbins`;my father used to work with a guy who claimed he could identify over a dozen woods by smell alone 554073;1394472387;mircea_popescu;not hard to believe 554074;1394472388;nubbins`;dad, who had been into pen making at the time, said "bullshit" and brought in a half dozen samples 554075;1394472393;nubbins`;nailed 'em all 554076;1394472395;mircea_popescu;hehe 554077;1394472411;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/443067163860271104 554078;1394472412;ozbot;Twitter / Beautyon_: @Mircea_Popescu No one and ... 554079;1394472415;mircea_popescu;check it out, i have fans 554080;1394472442;nubbins`;rad background 554081;1394472452;nubbins`;red, white, and black. i dunno. does something for me 554082;1394472475;mircea_popescu;i always thought it's quite aesthetically pleasing 554083;1394472493;mircea_popescu;people tend to get too busy online. 554084;1394472537;nubbins`;nod 554085;1394472612;nubbins`;hmm i can hear dance music coming from the studio 554086;1394472619;nubbins`;guess things are happening down there 8) 554087;1394472640;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpYR7ilLbfo 554088;1394472641;ozbot;Buraka Som Sistema - Kalemba (wegue wegue) OFFICIAL VIDEO - YouTube 554089;1394472735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60899599 BTC [+] 554090;1394472869;benkay;nice, nubbins` 554091;1394472932;nubbins`;yeah i'm not much for dance music but it's ok 554092;1394473105;moiety;im trying to twitter more 554093;1394473143;moiety;are you @mircea_popescu mircea? 554094;1394473212;moiety;re cedar btw hamsters are allergic to that wood only 554095;1394473278;benkay;oh lord https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO 554096;1394473341;moiety;consider yourself stalked mircea_popescu! im @moderncuriosity lol 554097;1394473353;moiety;hi benkay, can i link to your last post please? 554098;1394473633;nubbins`;"NO YOU CAN'T HAVE A RAISE, I'D PREFER TO SPENT 6-12 MONTHS FINDING AND ACCLIMATISING A NEW DEVELOPER AND STILL HAVE TO PAY THEM MORE" 554099;1394473635;nubbins`;my sides 554100;1394473681;benkay;it's the internet, moiety, ain't nobody stopping you from putting your own aich tee em ell anywhere 554101;1394473999;moiety;sorry i guess im toopolite for teh interwebz :P 554102;1394474082;moiety;but ty, it's perfect post 554103;1394474131;Mats_cd03;does a nerd in here tweet from that benkay 554104;1394474179;benkay;no clue, Mats_cd03. 554105;1394474187;benkay;doubt it, though. 554106;1394474382;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.042424 = 0.2121 BTC [-] {3} 554107;1394474472;moiety;BB! i was getting worried 554108;1394474565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.092 = 0.184 BTC [-] 554109;1394474624;BingoBoingo;? moiety 554110;1394474699;moiety;you went for lunch days ago! 554111;1394474738;moiety;did you have a good time though? 554112;1394474828;BingoBoingo;Decent time. 554113;1394474843;BingoBoingo;One errand lead to several more 554114;1394475445;deadweasel;lol@PHP CEO 554115;1394475478;deadweasel;"LOOK THE .SPRINT PLAN. IS THAT YOU ASSHOLES DO WHATEVER I SAID LAST WEEK BUT ALSO WHATEVER I THINK OF AS IT COMES TO ME" 554116;1394476029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00086988 = 8.3943 BTC [+] 554117;1394476531;moiety;glad to have you back anyways errandboy :P 554118;1394476587;wao-ender;lel http://www.bizforum.org/Journal/www_journalJVP016.htm 554119;1394476900;punkman1;"Only two alts that I ever became interested, were DOGE and AUR, and both would have been 10-baggers but money does not interest me any more" 554120;1394476943;jurov;wao-ender i cant even... 554121;1394477056;punkman1;actual picture of castle: http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2704/4136859608_0c5c3a1b3e_o.jpg 554122;1394477232;punkman1;a bit of a fixer-upper, but hey at least it exists 554123;1394477281;Mats_cd03;mobile.nytimes.com/2014/03/08/opinion/meat-makes-the-planet-thirsty.html 554124;1394477306;Mats_cd03;132gal to wash a carcass 554125;1394477316;Mats_cd03;damn it feels good to be a capitalist 554126;1394477939;moiety;lolol https://twitter.com/failcoin/status/442964692386852864/photo/1 554127;1394478286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 770 @ 0.00017721 = 0.1365 BTC [-] 554128;1394478692;benkay;punkman1: where is that? 554129;1394479645;moiety;I would like to know too punkman1. there are two castles close to me http://i.imgur.com/jbaqFFr.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/NPp7ybK.jpg 554130;1394479813;mike_c;http://goo.gl/maps/vqfLZ 554131;1394479813;ozbot;Malla, Estonia - Google Maps 554132;1394479842;mike_c;looks a little rougher in that pic 554133;1394479976;moiety;ah ty mike_c, i wasn't realising it was the same one. it will be nice to see it when its been done up 554134;1394480130;Mats_cd03;http://warholian.com/2014/01/pulp-fiction-guess-who/ 554135;1394480134;ozbot;Designer Creates PULP FICTION version of classic Milton Bradley game “Guess Who?” | Warholian 554136;1394480604;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00086751 = 9.7595 BTC [-] 554137;1394480726;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 135 @ 0.00400517 = 0.5407 BTC [-] {3} 554138;1394480909;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 52 @ 0.07161636 = 3.7241 BTC [-] {10} 554139;1394480910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.0008679 = 15.6656 BTC [+] 554140;1394481092;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09 = 0.18 BTC [-] 554141;1394481336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43350 @ 0.00087045 = 37.734 BTC [+] {3} 554142;1394483593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00086805 = 2.3437 BTC [-] 554143;1394484424;tudo;hola 554144;1394484570;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0428 = 0.214 BTC [-] 554145;1394485514;Mats_cd03;http://www.kaspersky.com/about/news/virus/2014/Kaspersky-Lab-Uncovers-The-Mask-One-of-the-Most-Advanced-Global-Cyber-espionage-Operations-to-Date-Due-to-the-Complexity-of-the-Toolset-Used-by-the-Attackers 554146;1394485529;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: old news 554147;1394485595;tudo;what would you guys reccomend a bitcoin asset noob to begin researching? 554148;1394485616;Mats_cd03;if i was mp i would tell you to read btc-assets logs 554149;1394485666;tudo;ok i'll check it out, but it feels like stalking :D 554150;1394485676;mike_c;they are there for a reason 554151;1394485717;mike_c;i just calculated the odds of two blocks having the same block hash after 1mm blocks have been mined. 554152;1394485721;*;nubbins` calmly grills a half-dozen curry sausages 554153;1394485723;Mats_cd03;asciilifeform: i dont know why i bother, i imagine people read two paragraphs and give up 554154;1394485725;mike_c;rest assured, apparently it is 0. 554155;1394485814;Mats_cd03;while youre here would you tell me when a cardano unit will be available for purchase 554156;1394485845;mike_c;april 20th 554157;1394485884;mike_c;http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-february-2014-statement/ 554158;1394485884;ozbot;S.NSA, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 554159;1394485885;asciilifeform;as described in latest s.nsa statement, present plan is to display a working cardano at mp's conference. 554160;1394485949;Mats_cd03;excellent 554161;1394486031;KRS-One;[ 554162;1394486042;mike_c;http://preshing.com/images/small-probabilities.png 554163;1394486093;mike_c;these numbers are just unbelievable big. bitcoin is pretty well designed. 554164;1394486277;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24159 @ 0.00086802 = 20.9705 BTC [-] {2} 554165;1394486653;ThickAsThieves;why on earth did Netflix make House of Cards available to Comcast? 554166;1394486670;ThickAsThieves;how dumb can you be... 554167;1394486812;mike_c;wow. going to be interesting to see if hbo kicks their butt in the next 5 years. 554168;1394486882;ThickAsThieves;netflix should be signing up with hbo and the like 554169;1394486884;ThickAsThieves;not comcast 554170;1394486892;ThickAsThieves;hbo should be leaving comcast 554171;1394486925;mike_c;well, hbo and netflix want to kill each other 554172;1394486958;ThickAsThieves;altough, comcast seems to be inadequately concerned about monopoly 554173;1394487006;Mats_cd03;Comcast is dying, netflix is just fucking the corpse 554174;1394487030;ThickAsThieves;well that gives comcast life 554175;1394487039;ThickAsThieves;hence the stupidity of the move 554176;1394487086;ThickAsThieves;the only acceptable future for comcast is as a vanilla internet access provider 554177;1394487101;ThickAsThieves;anything else is less than ideal for consumers 554178;1394487117;ThickAsThieves;even that is questionable 554179;1394487127;mike_c;maybe comcast agreed to stop throttling them in exchange for house of cards 554180;1394487131;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.00416398 = 0.2623 BTC [-] {2} 554181;1394487141;_aeon;what is this house of cards you speak of 554182;1394487155;KRS-One;netflix pisses me off...90% of the titles I never heard of..9% were from 1980 and 1% recent/goodmovies. 554183;1394487526;ThickAsThieves;mike_c , that was, seemingly, a different deal 554184;1394487553;ThickAsThieves;krs-one, if you dig you can find stuff 554185;1394487567;ThickAsThieves;they just need better suggestion ai 554186;1394487595;ThickAsThieves;better social integration would help too 554187;1394487602;moiety;KRS-One: exactly why i didnt keep it, i couldn't find much world cinema either 554188;1394487616;ThickAsThieves;but they fucked that up back when they got rid of Facebook integration the first time 554189;1394487632;mike_c;interesting, they did that other deal just a few weeks ago. HOC must have been part of the negotiation. 554190;1394487635;ThickAsThieves;there's more foreign films on netflix than any other option 554191;1394487648;moiety;ThickAsThieves: i didn't know they did that... why? thats dumb 554192;1394487652;moiety;ThickAsThieves: not good ones 554193;1394487658;ThickAsThieves;legal reasons 554194;1394487664;ThickAsThieves;it's back now, but limited 554195;1394487670;mike_c;ah, no. apparently it had nothign to do with netflix. 554196;1394487676;moiety;ah 554197;1394487682;mike_c;"Though Netflix holds the streaming rights for "House of Cards," Sony is in charge of distribution internationally and through home video." 554198;1394487694;ThickAsThieves;my guess is they fucked up and too many wives saw husbands autoposting that they just watch Meatballs 3 554199;1394487702;moiety;lolol 554200;1394487725;ThickAsThieves;this is still an issue with netflix 554201;1394487730;ThickAsThieves;the history 554202;1394487747;ThickAsThieves;theyve now made identities to mitigate 554203;1394487755;ThickAsThieves;but poorly implemented 554204;1394487762;ThickAsThieves;talk about first worl problems... 554205;1394488085;Mats_cd03;KRS-One: http://imgur.com/a/w9LiM 554206;1394488239;nubbins`;http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/ 554207;1394488239;ozbot;Matthew Herper - The Medicine Show - Forbes 554208;1394488246;nubbins`;he puts the herp in herper 554209;1394488261;Mats_cd03;also battle royale, bullhead, Gomorrah, el infierno 554210;1394488341;Mats_cd03;"I cover science and medicine, and believe this is biology's century." lol 554211;1394488414;ThickAsThieves;http://www.simplyhired.com/a/jobtrends/trend/q-biology 554212;1394488420;ozbot;Biology Job Trends | Simply Hired 554213;1394488720;Mats_cd03;http://www.simplyhired.com/a/jobtrends/trend/q-intelligence seems to me intelligence agencies are simply closing ranks in the wake of e.snowden/nsa 554214;1394488720;ozbot;Intelligence Job Trends | Simply Hired 554215;1394489315;Duffer1;#b-a kinda slow today, everyone busy playing titanfall? 554216;1394489510;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 15 @ 0.10319264 = 1.5479 BTC [-] {6} 554217;1394489728;ThickAsThieves;hehe was just watching it on twitch 554218;1394489733;ThickAsThieves;not into it 554219;1394491401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00400007 = 0.172 BTC [-] {2} 554220;1394491402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38200 @ 0.00087274 = 33.3387 BTC [+] 554221;1394492011;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00087274 = 11.5638 BTC [+] 554222;1394492133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 70 @ 0.0424 = 2.968 BTC [-] {2} 554223;1394493170;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.0424 = 0.9752 BTC [-] 554224;1394493535;cazalla;kuka v timoboll today 554225;1394493566;Duffer1;lol 554226;1394493570;Duffer1;why is that even a thing? 554227;1394493601;cazalla;seems that you need a reg code to watch it via the website though 554228;1394493612;Duffer1;>.< 554229;1394494025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4920 @ 0.00087274 = 4.2939 BTC [+] 554230;1394494491;KRS-One;how cool is this 554231;1394494492;KRS-One;http://i.imgur.com/hzsnpoC.jpg 554232;1394494634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00411 = 0.1233 BTC [+] 554233;1394494939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.13311598 = 1.198 BTC [-] 554234;1394495549;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.092 = 0.276 BTC [+] {2} 554235;1394495551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 554236;1394496037;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.00403528 = 0.4277 BTC [-] {4} 554237;1394497074;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001772 = 0.1772 BTC [-] {4} 554238;1394497379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.04240333 = 1.2721 BTC [+] {3} 554239;1394497440;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00087326 = 16.4173 BTC [+] 554240;1394497684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02190005 = 0.2847 BTC [-] {3} 554241;1394497685;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07000002 = 0.14 BTC [-] 554242;1394497745;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.043 = 0.129 BTC [+] {3} 554243;1394497867;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6089995 = 4.263 BTC [+] {5} 554244;1394498965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0039988 = 0.1999 BTC [-] 554245;1394499026;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 794 @ 0.00401378 = 3.1869 BTC [+] {3} 554246;1394501649;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.00594457 = 0.1189 BTC [-] {5} 554247;1394501710;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.00586121 = 0.4103 BTC [-] {4} 554248;1394501771;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6128 @ 0.00087421 = 5.3572 BTC [+] 554249;1394502442;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/ says final dividend is 8100 btc, but exactly half of that made it onto the mpoe statement on mpex (http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MPOE) 554250;1394502454;copumpkin;what am I missing? 554251;1394502564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00087326 = 11.1341 BTC [-] 554252;1394502709;kakobrekla;the float on exchange is only half of all 554253;1394502721;copumpkin;oh 554254;1394502730;copumpkin;fair enough :) 554255;1394503280;benkay;just to fuck with us, copumpkin. 554256;1394503474;kakobrekla;dunno if this was here already 554257;1394503477;kakobrekla;www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/1zhjwh/certificate_verification_vulnerability_in_all/ 554258;1394503728;benkay;mhm 554259;1394503784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.00087245 = 41.9212 BTC [-] {4} 554260;1394504272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00087062 = 3.6566 BTC [-] 554261;1394504787;nubbins`;as of today, march 10, 2014, it is illegal to ride in the bed of a pickup truck in this province 554262;1394505066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00087355 = 5.285 BTC [+] 554263;1394505187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00087355 = 7.4252 BTC [+] 554264;1394505370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1039 @ 0.00422801 = 4.3929 BTC [+] {11} 554265;1394505497;bloctoc;Artifex just tried to scam me 554266;1394505610;artifexd;Me? 554267;1394505630;copumpkin;artifexd: quit scamming! 554268;1394505631;bloctoc;nope Artifex 554269;1394505642;copumpkin;bloctoc: oh, from -otc? 554270;1394505643;artifexd;I didn't do it. Seriously 554271;1394505654;copumpkin;bloctoc: you have a transcript? 554272;1394505673;bloctoc;I'll check 554273;1394505745;bloctoc;can't find a transcript anywhere in textual but I'm not a textual expert. if anyone knows if that's possible? 554274;1394505759;bloctoc;to pull up a transcript? 554275;1394505774;nubbins`;;;ident bloctoc 554276;1394505774;gribble;Nick 'bloctoc', with hostmask 'bloctoc!~bloctoc@c-50-168-9-127.hsd1.ca.comcast.net', is not identified. 554277;1394505777;nubbins`;;;ident artifexd 554278;1394505777;gribble;Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is not identified. 554279;1394505791;nubbins`;;;gettrust bloctoc 554280;1394505791;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user bloctoc: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=bloctoc | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bloctoc | Rated since: Tue Oct 29 20:18:14 2013 554281;1394505794;artifexd;One sec and I'll ident. Cause it wasn't me. 554282;1394505796;nubbins`;;;gettrust artifexd 554283;1394505797;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user artifexd: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=artifexd | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=artifexd | Rated since: Wed Mar 5 02:06:14 2014 554284;1394505801;bloctoc;Artifex not artifexd 554285;1394505805;nubbins`;IDGAF, just curious ;p 554286;1394505815;nubbins`;oh 554287;1394505815;artifexd;Then I'll sit down and shut up. 554288;1394505820;nubbins`;who's artifex? 554289;1394505858;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00087407 = 10.8385 BTC [+] {4} 554290;1394505876;bloctoc;Artifex is just someone who pm'd me and tried to scam. I sent a warning. that's all 554291;1394505893;bloctoc;artifexd != Artifex 554292;1394505894;nubbins`;he's not even in here :( 554293;1394505898;benkay;;;gettrust Artifex 554294;1394505899;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Artifex: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Artifex | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Artifex | Rated since: Sat May 7 03:44:47 2011 554295;1394505918;nubbins`;guise my neighbour tried to scam me 554296;1394505923;benkay;dat +5 with a -30 554297;1394505929;nubbins`;her name is captain sally rockwell 554298;1394505967;nubbins`;benkay: check the -30's ratings 554299;1394505971;nubbins`;dollar chargebacks 554300;1394505972;nubbins`;lel 554301;1394506042;artifexd;;;ident 554302;1394506042;gribble;Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None 554303;1394506094;benkay;it's a lot of money in some parts of the world, nubbins`. 554304;1394506110;nubbins`;too true 554305;1394506209;copumpkin;bloctoc: what kind of scam? just an offer to buy or was it genuinely sketchy? 554306;1394506250;bloctoc;it looks like it's still going. he's trying to buy btc from me and sell to someone else in bitcoin-otc 554307;1394506311;copumpkin;oh 554308;1394506451;nubbins`;not much to be done about it in here 554309;1394506460;nubbins`;report it in -otc and be done with it 554310;1394506484;nubbins`;everybody knows unsolicited PMs are the mark of a scammer 554311;1394506617;kakobrekla;bloctoc theres like no btc usd trading happening here ever 554312;1394506641;nubbins`;^ 554313;1394506666;bloctoc;he tried to copy/paste the get trust results into chat. 554314;1394506760;nubbins`;yep, scammers do that 554315;1394506773;nubbins`;not much you can do about it, i wouldn't get too wound up 554316;1394506895;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3787 @ 0.00391884 = 14.8406 BTC [-] {36} 554317;1394506956;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 11213 @ 0.00351718 = 39.4381 BTC [-] {46} 554318;1394507139;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 9494 @ 0.00331059 = 31.4307 BTC [-] {10} 554319;1394507200;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1500 @ 0.00312698 = 4.6905 BTC [-] {12} 554320;1394507248;mircea_popescu;copumpkin well half the shares are treasury 554321;1394507256;copumpkin;congrats :) 554322;1394507277;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: you're going to need a moneybin soon, like uncle scrooge has 554323;1394507277;mircea_popescu;Mar 04 11:22:27 <assbot>[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 4,050.17291466 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 810 satoshi per share 554324;1394507312;mircea_popescu;no because it's all digital see 554325;1394507320;mircea_popescu;they're not real money, because they have no value backing them 554326;1394507337;benkay;satoshi's fiat 554327;1394507338;nubbins`;what is real, anyway 554328;1394507350;*;benkay pictures a crypto-car 554329;1394507359;*;benkay pictures a really shitty crypto car 554330;1394507362;*;nubbins` pictures a queen music video 554331;1394507372;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: oh damn, I keep forgetting that 554332;1394507375;copumpkin;oh well 554333;1394507395;mircea_popescu;@Wolverineks 7h @Beautyon_ i used to think @Mircea_Popescu was full of shit. Now I know I was just dumb. 554334;1394507399;mircea_popescu;dude twitter is like an ego trip 554335;1394507410;mircea_popescu;why can't you people be more like lloyd braun! 554336;1394507453;copumpkin;lol 554337;1394507505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00087025 = 39.7704 BTC [-] {3} 554338;1394507727;mircea_popescu;@Wolverineks I am not going to argue this. That man is a dyed in the wool genius, no doubt about it. Go read his blog. 554339;1394507742;mircea_popescu;i gotta make a collection of these for the benefit of the forum fans 554340;1394507763;mircea_popescu;o wait, actually there's an entire thread dedicated to that huh. a well. 554341;1394507899;mircea_popescu;moving on, http://25.media.tumblr.com/7ffcb293eedca83d0ebe220277c678d2/tumblr_mz3p7yo4071s0tgwso1_1280.jpg 554342;1394507940;nubbins`;hmm 554343;1394508786;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19740 @ 0.00087197 = 17.2127 BTC [+] 554344;1394509970;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: (unrelated) consider one day telling the tale of where you dug up MPOEPR. 554345;1394509997;mircea_popescu;friend of a friend. 554346;1394510063;asciilifeform;aha 554347;1394510118;mircea_popescu;how else, you know ? 554348;1394510189;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00310001 = 0.3441 BTC [-] {3} 554349;1394510190;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23529 @ 0.00086786 = 20.4199 BTC [-] {2} 554350;1394510224;asciilifeform;yeah, has to be that, or you built her from scratch. 554351;1394510247;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as scratch 554352;1394510494;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06899603 = 1.7249 BTC [-] {6} 554353;1394510665;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'entropy' link was epic. author deserves some kind of medal. 'Order of Golden Turd, First Class' ? 554354;1394510769;mircea_popescu;which one is this ? 554355;1394510777;asciilifeform;i don't think i've ever read such an artful piece of disinfo 554356;1394510807;asciilifeform;http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom 554357;1394510808;ozbot;Myths about /dev/urandom 554358;1394510820;mircea_popescu;moiety yes i am. 554359;1394510832;mircea_popescu;o that. well... his gross point re random/urandom has some validity 554360;1394510841;asciilifeform;or the linked: 554361;1394510848;asciilifeform;http://blog.cr.yp.to/20140205-entropy.html 554362;1394510848;ozbot;cr.yp.to: 554363;1394510850;mircea_popescu;tbh i figure it's just random kid that overheard the adults talking and ran off with whatever he misunderstood of it 554364;1394510905;asciilifeform;watch where he proposes a pill against the recent (theretical) break of lattice crypto. 554365;1394510934;mircea_popescu;o look, moiety is actually kinda cute irl, if somewhat upside down 554366;1394511034;asciilifeform;it's not a kid, the bastard knows what he's doing. 554367;1394511071;asciilifeform;or rather, what he wishes us to do. 554368;1394511118;mircea_popescu;what'd that be ? 554369;1394511144;asciilifeform;running off prng, for one 554370;1394511165;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60999999 BTC [+] 554371;1394511187;asciilifeform;this chap is not a schneier, he's an 'fda grade-A' mathematical judas goat. 554372;1394511206;mircea_popescu;let's consider some fun facts together : gpg takes ~5 minutes to generate a 2k key 554373;1394511219;mircea_popescu;bitcoind/qt take 0 seconds to generate a new address. 554374;1394511226;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00086746 = 14.9637 BTC [-] {4} 554375;1394511240;Mats_cd03;.bait 554376;1394511242;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/faf83800206c12c27f60c7a286a61fa7/tumblr_meuv4isDQ81rzw5ydo1_500.jpg 554377;1394511246;mircea_popescu;then people derp about how incredible secure bitcoin addressing is 554378;1394511252;mircea_popescu;sure, it *could* be. 554379;1394511262;asciilifeform;ecc remains mystery meat. 554380;1394511297;asciilifeform;yeah, we've been eating it, no ill effects - so far. 554381;1394511321;mircea_popescu;but leaving that aside for a moment, bitcoin runs off prng 554382;1394511407;asciilifeform;bad rng is not a magical instant death 554383;1394511420;mircea_popescu;artifexd nubbins` bloctoc well, that artifex guy in the wot has all his ratings during may/june of 2011 554384;1394511421;asciilifeform;attack against rng should be seen as 'part of a balanced diet' of pwnage 554385;1394511428;mircea_popescu;most likely someone stole the nickserv reg 554386;1394511452;mircea_popescu;!t h neobee 554387;1394511453;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00301000 / 0.003579 / 0.00425000 (33532 shares, 120.01086616 BTC), 7D: 0.00301000 / 0.00401661 / 0.00497520 (116451 shares, 467.73874230 BTC), 30D: 0.00261000 / 0.00439242 / 0.00600000 (621992 shares, 2732.04948959 BTC) 554388;1394511462;mircea_popescu;honeymoon over huh 554389;1394511503;artifexd;About an hour ago someone dumped 20k+ shares and emptied the orderbook from .004 to .003. 554390;1394511504;benkay;!t h rent 554391;1394511505;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00586004 / 0.00626295 / 0.00662900 (296 shares, 1.85383408 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.00557609 / 0.00900001 (29516 shares, 164.58401921 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.00553635 / 0.00900001 (61796 shares, 342.12401921 BTC) 554392;1394511565;mircea_popescu;artifexd news or something ? 554393;1394511585;artifexd;Not that I know. I've looked and didn't find anything. 554394;1394511592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.0008672 = 10.0162 BTC [-] 554395;1394511595;mircea_popescu;cbg resigned i see 554396;1394511630;mircea_popescu;turks claim they're coming to terms with the greeks 554397;1394511661;mircea_popescu;what sort of a twisted joke is having your central bank run by a guy whose name is panicos 554398;1394511681;chetty_;http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/10/the-messages-on-these-condom-wrappers-were-deemed-too-sexually-suggestive-to-hand-out-to-high-schoolers/ 554399;1394511682;ozbot;The Messages on These Condom Wrappers Were Deemed Too Sexually Suggestive to Hand Out to High School 554400;1394511714;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 277 @ 0.00357557 = 0.9904 BTC [+] {7} 554401;1394511746;mircea_popescu;chetty_ lmao, what are they supposed to say, "o hi, this is just a baloon" ? 554402;1394511801;chetty_;makes as much sense as most things - which is to say - none 554403;1394511868;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/momsmt/status/440987057775575040 << this is the twe4et in question 554404;1394511869;ozbot;Twitter / momsmt: Free condoms @bostonschools ... 554405;1394511880;mircea_popescu;why am i reading in the blaze about what some nobody said ? 554406;1394511890;mircea_popescu;is it because the blaze is trying to fish for imaginary controversy ? 554407;1394511916;Duffer1;that's kinda their thing 554408;1394511925;benkay;i met an ex-teacher while drinking beers after closing a deal the other day. he mentioned teaching sex-ed in an abstinence-only situation, and when I asked him "so how do you actually teach them?!" he said something along the lines of "well the smart ones can read between the lines" 554409;1394511944;benkay;this dodges entirely the question of how to educate the idiots who aren't reading, much less inferring. 554410;1394511962;Duffer1;it's glen becks bullshit factory 554411;1394511990;mircea_popescu;sex ed should basically consist of assisted fucking. "now all the girls take off their clothes. give your panties to the boy you'd like to fuck you" 554412;1394511998;mircea_popescu;"now all the boys take off their clothes. put your condom on like so" 554413;1394512007;mircea_popescu;"now go fuck" 554414;1394512067;benkay;but the feeeewiiiings 554415;1394512068;mircea_popescu;"don't push that way, more like this. there you go" 554416;1394512077;benkay;"i didn't get any panties!" 554417;1394512083;mircea_popescu;yeah, then mock all the teens that finish too early. 554418;1394512093;mircea_popescu;benkay sluts obviously don't need further training. 554419;1394512142;chetty_;well all that time in sex ed they dont have to bother teaching hard stuff like maths 554420;1394512169;mircea_popescu;if kids got laid once a week mandatorily maths'd prolly be a lot easier to teach 554421;1394512232;benkay;fr srs 554422;1394512237;mircea_popescu;oh, now i see the wisdom of what you said. 554423;1394512250;mircea_popescu;i suppose the kids that don't get any panties for five weeks running are going to be gelded 554424;1394512256;mircea_popescu;for free, sponsored by obamacare 554425;1394512289;Duffer1;obamacare is best care, comrade 554426;1394512311;benkay;what, me wisdom? 554427;1394512316;mircea_popescu;then all the testicles thus obtained could be canned into pet food, shipped to stray dog shelters 554428;1394512322;benkay;<Duffer1> obamacare is best care, comrade << nice 554429;1394512324;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.093389 = 0.4669 BTC [+] {2} 554430;1394512325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.0008672 = 17.6475 BTC [-] 554431;1394512385;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2} 554432;1394512419;mircea_popescu;fun fact : the cypriot government pre-collapse ? communist. 554433;1394512497;Duffer1;http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/03/09/rethinking-the-40-hour-work-week/reduce-the-workweek-to-30-hours 554434;1394512497;ozbot;Reduce the Workweek to 30 Hours - NYTimes.com 554435;1394512586;BingoBoingo;Oh, some miner finally sold some ATC 554436;1394512689;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, do you readily know of a problem mersene might have as a crypto prng? 554437;1394512761;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/DorianSatoshi/status/443094155921588224 this guy is pretty lulzy 554438;1394512762;ozbot;Twitter / DorianSatoshi: @TheBitcoinWife Can you tell ... 554439;1394513089;nubbins`;more testicles means more iron 554440;1394513104;nubbins`;those "ONE" brand condoms have tons of different designs, it's their thing 554441;1394513128;nubbins`;also impossibly difficult to open iirc 554442;1394513185;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yeah i was thinking, who the fuck makes round wrappers 554443;1394513191;mircea_popescu;the corners are there for a god damned purpose 554444;1394513198;nubbins`;nod 554445;1394513206;benkay;what, you need a perforated strip too?! 554446;1394513207;nubbins`;"maybe if we package these tennis balls in a large sphere" 554447;1394513227;nubbins`;benkay, go buy a pack of ONE condoms and open 'em all on your first try 554448;1394513229;nubbins`;i dare ya 554449;1394513267;kakobrekla;now we came to the roots of round corner hate. 554450;1394513285;mircea_popescu;benkay for instance i hate the durex brand because not only they fit much too tightly, but uber-retarded wrapping. 554451;1394513305;mircea_popescu;magnums are comfortable, the box is non-plastic and perforated, the individual wrappers tear easily. 554452;1394513317;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla hahaha i guess you caught me 554453;1394513408;nubbins`;the ones with the roomy tips are nice 554454;1394513484;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/cornul-abundentei-sau-ma-rog/ 554455;1394513485;ozbot;Cornul abundentei. Sau ma rog… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 554456;1394513494;nubbins`;"The condoms should have had more realistic pictures on them. Such as a teenager laying in bed with a baby crying in the background and an alarm clock showing 2 am, or a teenager with a paper hat on cooking fries." 554457;1394513495;nubbins`;heh 554458;1394513545;mircea_popescu;wait, why are these realistic for condoms ? 554459;1394513558;nubbins`;"get a job or you'll be asking people if they want fries with that" turns into "what are you, too good for a fast food job?" and people wonder why the kids are confused 554460;1394513563;mircea_popescu;those should be the illustration on absent condoms 554461;1394513572;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: because your sin pokes holes in them 554462;1394513581;mircea_popescu;in who, in the girls ? 554463;1394513590;asciilifeform;the illustration on absent condoms << 'sound of one hand clapping' 554464;1394513591;nubbins`;the condoms! 554465;1394513631;mircea_popescu;im confused. 554466;1394513650;nubbins`;"Try these sayings: 1 Corinthians 6:18 Leviticus 18:22 Colossians 3:5" 554467;1394513655;nubbins`;i actually won't try those sayings 554468;1394513663;mircea_popescu;;;google Corinthians 6:18 554469;1394513664;gribble;1 Corinthians 6:18 - Flee from sexual immorality. All other - Bible ...: <http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6:18>; 1 Corinthians 6:18 ESV - Flee from sexual immorality. Every - Bible ...: <http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6%3A18&version=ESV>; 1 Corinthians 6:18-20 - Flee from sexual immorality. All other - Bible ...: (1 more message) 554470;1394513677;nubbins`;well, that's short and sweet 554471;1394513677;mircea_popescu;derp. 554472;1394513691;nubbins`;;;google leviticus 18:22 554473;1394513691;mircea_popescu;what's this, "How to be fucktarded, a guide" ? 554474;1394513691;gribble;Leviticus 18:22 - “'Do not have sexual relations with - Bible Gateway: <http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+18:22>; Leviticus 18:22 KJV - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as - Bible ...: <http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+18%3A22&version=KJV>; Leviticus 18:22 "'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one ...: (1 more message) 554475;1394513698;nubbins`;ah, heh 554476;1394513717;mircea_popescu;well... this leviticus is one i could get behind 554477;1394513725;mircea_popescu;oops. 554478;1394513765;nubbins`;afaik leviticus 18:22 instructs you not to fuck men in their pussies 554479;1394513781;nubbins`;odd advice to give 554480;1394513788;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.000871 = 32.7496 BTC [+] {2} 554481;1394513789;nubbins`;;;google colossians 3:5 554482;1394513790;gribble;Colossians 3:5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your ...: <http://biblehub.com/colossians/3-5.htm>; Colossians 3:5 KJV - Mortify therefore your members which - Bible ...: <http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+3:5&version=KJV>; Colossians 3:5 - Put to death, therefore, whatever - Bible Gateway: <http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians+3:5> 554483;1394513832;nubbins`;"Why doesn’t the school just go for broke and provide kids with alcohol and copies of the Kama Sutra" 554484;1394513836;mircea_popescu;http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f149/447815d1367782489-man-pussy-buck-20angel-20-283-29.jpg 554485;1394513849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00087206 = 4.3603 BTC [+] {2} 554486;1394513872;nubbins`;the bible forbids it 554487;1394513876;nubbins`;you have to fuck him in the ass 554488;1394513908;mircea_popescu;imo it's her 554489;1394513941;nubbins`;ya think? 554490;1394514013;mircea_popescu;tis possible. 554491;1394514106;asciilifeform;what illustration on absent parachutes ! 554492;1394514131;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform parasuta is, of course, yet another way to say whore in romanian. 554493;1394514137;asciilifeform;ahahah! 554494;1394514151;mircea_popescu;along with firecracker, rag and roadster 554495;1394514160;nubbins`;ah, internet says f2m 554496;1394514170;mircea_popescu;f2m ?! 554497;1394514173;nubbins`;nod 554498;1394514179;mircea_popescu;;;ud f2m 554499;1394514180;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=f2m | f2m. 1. Technically stands for Female to Male AKA "FTM". 2. Describes someone born w/ a Female physical form who feels they are actually male & were born ... 554500;1394514182;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: f2m 554501;1394514188;mircea_popescu;aok 554502;1394514192;nubbins`;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5cPTXau3a9c/UU1OznQqMeI/AAAAAAAApRs/4bqxtTnx8yI/s1600/131.jpg 554503;1394514230;mircea_popescu;if anyone is looking for a crazy hard exercise of romanian translation, i dare recomend http://trilema.com/2009/nevoi/ 554504;1394514235;mircea_popescu;i'd rate it postdoctoral level. 554505;1394514277;nubbins`;bed time 554506;1394514581;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00368999 = 0.214 BTC [+] {2} 554507;1394514761;Mats_cd03;http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/can-this-70-dongle-stem-the-epidemic-of-password-breaches/ 554508;1394514762;ozbot;Can this $70 dongle stem the epidemic of password breaches? | Ars Technica 554509;1394514778;Mats_cd03;isnt this inferior compared to yubikey 554510;1394515069;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+] 554511;1394515130;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.615 = 1.23 BTC [+] 554512;1394515191;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.61971428 = 4.338 BTC [+] {4} 554513;1394515241;Mats_cd03;idk much about this crypto shit except that the dongle seems to have more entropy? feel free to chime in if you know anything 554514;1394515618;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00375499 = 0.1502 BTC [+] {5} 554515;1394515619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.62798165 = 3.7679 BTC [+] {5} 554516;1394515663;benkay;http://getpopcornti.me/ 554517;1394515671;benkay;amazed it took so long. 554518;1394515675;benkay;;;lasers 554519;1394515676;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 554520;1394515801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62999 = 1.26 BTC [+] 554521;1394515862;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.635 = 2.54 BTC [+] {3} 554522;1394515923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.641 = 2.564 BTC [+] {3} 554523;1394515984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00087427 = 14.6877 BTC [+] {3} 554524;1394515984;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.643 = 1.929 BTC [+] {2} 554525;1394516106;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.642 BTC [-] 554526;1394516168;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6468857 = 4.5282 BTC [+] {4} 554527;1394516228;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.65000545 = 7.1501 BTC [+] {4} 554528;1394516289;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00381932 = 0.1146 BTC [+] {5} 554529;1394516411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00087514 = 13.3896 BTC [+] 554530;1394516411;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00599112 = 0.1737 BTC [+] {3} 554531;1394516655;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00360003 = 0.288 BTC [-] {3} 554532;1394516656;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00599709 = 1.1994 BTC [+] {5} 554533;1394516657;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.647 = 3.235 BTC [-] 554534;1394516716;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 79 @ 0.00355001 = 0.2805 BTC [-] {4} 554535;1394516777;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 151 @ 0.00350793 = 0.5297 BTC [-] {6} 554536;1394516778;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 104 @ 0.006 = 0.624 BTC [+] 554537;1394516839;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 129 @ 0.00609897 = 0.7868 BTC [+] {2} 554538;1394516899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.0061 = 0.793 BTC [+] 554539;1394516920;antephialtic;Mircea_Popescu: you should get Marc Andreessen to invest in bitbet (https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/443260220379115520) 554540;1394517105;benkay;what funding does bitbet need, antephialtic? 554541;1394517156;antephialtic;probably not any. But Andreessen would probably purchase some shares 554542;1394517265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22843 @ 0.00087412 = 19.9675 BTC [-] {2} 554543;1394517270;benkay;mpex is right over there 554544;1394517283;benkay;and coinbr just a hop skip and a jump from that 554545;1394517692;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00604 = 0.151 BTC [-] {2} 554546;1394518546;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02295749 = 0.1377 BTC [+] {2} 554547;1394518607;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0061 = 0.122 BTC [+] 554548;1394518790;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 600 @ 0.00613973 = 3.6838 BTC [+] {7} 554549;1394518912;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 281 @ 0.0062858 = 1.7663 BTC [+] {6} 554550;1394519034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 210 @ 0.00633876 = 1.3311 BTC [+] {6} 554551;1394519156;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1294 @ 0.00645587 = 8.3539 BTC [+] {9} 554552;1394519217;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 302 @ 0.00649911 = 1.9627 BTC [+] {7} 554553;1394519278;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.0065 = 0.1885 BTC [+] 554554;1394519461;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00087087 = 14.3258 BTC [-] {2} 554555;1394519766;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00345 = 1.035 BTC [-] {4} 554556;1394520925;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.0425605 = 1.0215 BTC [-] {22} 554557;1394521108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [-] 554558;1394521109;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22450 @ 0.00086933 = 19.5165 BTC [-] {2} 554559;1394521109;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0933898 = 0.1868 BTC [+] {2} 554560;1394521111;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 554561;1394521169;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0422875 = 0.1692 BTC [-] {3} 554562;1394521170;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0933898 = 0.3736 BTC [+] {2} 554563;1394521171;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 554564;1394521657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00086958 = 5.7392 BTC [+] 554565;1394521657;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2} 554566;1394521718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0933898 = 0.4669 BTC [+] {2} 554567;1394521719;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-] {2} 554568;1394521792;BingoBoingo;That he doesn't know of BitBet does not bode well for them. 554569;1394522084;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00087445 = 16.4397 BTC [+] {2} 554570;1394522777;Apocalyptic;hum, so Openex appears to be insolvent and is closing, guy is confused about what to do with outstanding balances 554571;1394523060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00087137 = 13.1577 BTC [-] 554572;1394523195;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: Glad you made that exchange 554573;1394523215;BingoBoingo;Or... ATC would have gotten completely goxxed 554574;1394523241;Apocalyptic;looks like it, hope the ATC guys didn't have much ATC there 554575;1394523354;BingoBoingo;I moved out 554576;1394523792;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.0008698 = 4.0011 BTC [-] {2} 554577;1394523870;KRS-One;.bait 554578;1394523871;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb6r1pggNB1rqnok6o1_500.jpg 554579;1394523879;KRS-One;.bait 554580;1394523880;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ljt79Ttn1qdistlo1_1280.jpg 554581;1394524036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29313 @ 0.0008755 = 25.6635 BTC [+] {4} 554582;1394524048;cazalla;kuka robot lost 554583;1394524062;cazalla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIIJME8-au8 554584;1394524077;cazalla;looks more like an advertisement than a match though 554585;1394524097;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10228999 = 0.2046 BTC [-] {2} 554586;1394524098;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0681003 = 0.2043 BTC [-] {2} 554587;1394524219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06800001 = 0.204 BTC [-] 554588;1394526599;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1500 @ 0.00600322 = 9.0048 BTC [-] {8} 554589;1394526842;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22737 @ 0.00087534 = 19.9026 BTC [-] {4} 554590;1394527086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19646 @ 0.00087631 = 17.216 BTC [+] 554591;1394527757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00087467 = 6.1227 BTC [-] 554592;1394527818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00087263 = 2.3561 BTC [-] {2} 554593;1394529282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00087099 = 11.3229 BTC [-] 554594;1394530075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00087407 = 2.797 BTC [+] 554595;1394530396;jurov;;;bc,stats 554596;1394530398;gribble;Current Blocks: 290007 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 296 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 22 hours, 44 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4193481648.71 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.90003 554597;1394530417;Apocalyptic;.d 554598;1394530417;ozbot;3.816 billion | Next Diff in 296 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.8229% in 1d 20h 15m 59s 554599;1394530489;jurov;http://bitbet.us/bet/596/btc-difficulty-to-increase-by-less-than-10/ ya know... 554600;1394530501;ozbot;BitBet - BTC difficulty to increase by less than 10% 554601;1394530956;*;dub switches chains ;) 554602;1394531142;jurov;;;prevdiffchange 554603;1394531149;gribble;21.92473 554604;1394531173;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 775 @ 0.00018 = 0.1395 BTC [-] 554605;1394531356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.005868 = 0.2934 BTC [-] {3} 554606;1394531722;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04217 = 0.2109 BTC [+] 554607;1394531760;*;jurov bribes dub to stay off btc 554608;1394531844;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 46 @ 0.06726552 = 3.0942 BTC [-] {10} 554609;1394532332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00087099 = 13.7181 BTC [-] 554610;1394532759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00087099 = 6.6631 BTC [-] 554611;1394534223;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00086905 = 17.6852 BTC [-] {3} 554612;1394534589;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18790 @ 0.00087093 = 16.3648 BTC [+] 554613;1394534894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00087093 = 16.6348 BTC [+] 554614;1394535260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15601 @ 0.00086875 = 13.5534 BTC [-] 554615;1394535748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00087101 = 8.1004 BTC [+] {2} 554616;1394535748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.09339 = 0.3736 BTC [+] 554617;1394535795;punkman1;"The 21-hour battle for B-R5RB resulted in more than 11 trillion ISK in damage, all thanks to a lapsed bill by one very important user in the EVE Online universe." 554618;1394536236;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00086833 = 2.7787 BTC [-] {2} 554619;1394536785;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21830 @ 0.00087376 = 19.0742 BTC [+] {3} 554620;1394537456;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00086766 = 16.0517 BTC [-] {2} 554621;1394537944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00087089 = 13.9778 BTC [+] {2} 554622;1394537944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 576 @ 0.00354027 = 2.0392 BTC [-] {6} 554623;1394538005;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.003534 = 0.5478 BTC [-] 554624;1394538067;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.071704 = 0.8604 BTC [+] {2} 554625;1394538188;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00369998 = 0.333 BTC [+] {2} 554626;1394538189;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 34 @ 0.0064877 = 0.2206 BTC [+] {2} 554627;1394538616;jurov;https://twitter.com/Bitcoin/status/443340888870096896/photo/1 554628;1394538617;ozbot;Twitter / Bitcoin: Are you a bitcoin investor? ... 554629;1394538859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00369998 = 0.37 BTC [+] 554630;1394538920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.0064 = 0.576 BTC [+] 554631;1394538921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00086747 = 7.8072 BTC [-] 554632;1394539226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [+] 554633;1394539237;mircea_popescu;;;later tell antephialtic https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/443355527364739072 yet something tells me he's no different from all the other bitcoin noobs in imagining he knows better and etc bla bla yadda yadda 554634;1394539238;gribble;The operation succeeded. 554635;1394539388;mircea_popescu;11 trn isk ~= 1k btc irc 554636;1394539437;mircea_popescu;;;calc 11*10**12 / 30*10**9 554637;1394539438;gribble;366666666666666688512 554638;1394539470;mircea_popescu;haha nanotube why does gribble mess up ? 554639;1394539481;mircea_popescu;;;calc 11*(10**12) / 30*(10**9) 554640;1394539481;gribble;366666666666666688512 554641;1394539494;mircea_popescu;;;calc (11*(10**12)) / (30*(10**9)) 554642;1394539495;gribble;366.666666667 554643;1394539501;mircea_popescu;nm, it's not gribble it's me. 554644;1394539516;mircea_popescu;anyway, ~350 btc worth of isk ships and whatnot. 554645;1394539693;moiety;mew :) 554646;1394540066;moiety;or ʍǝɯ mircea_popescu! 554647;1394540722;mircea_popescu;lol 554648;1394540879;mircea_popescu;let the permanent record reflect that kuka is a piece of shit scam rather than a robot manufacturer, and that they made a bunch of fake news which resulted in http://bitbet.us/bet/760/kuka-table-tennis-robot-to-beat-human/ having to be cancelled. 554649;1394540889;mircea_popescu;never buy anything from these fuckwits, they don't deserve to survive. 554650;1394541073;nubbins`;OH FUCK THIS IS A PERMANENT RECORD 554651;1394541076;nubbins`;D; 554652;1394541112;mircea_popescu;:D 554653;1394541177;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0064 = 0.128 BTC [+] 554654;1394541220;mircea_popescu;nubbins` ten years later, multi-billion dollar business doesn't understand for the life of it why it can't sell anything anymore. 554655;1394541235;mircea_popescu;does more social media bs, buys more deadmedia advertising, nothing 554656;1394541237;mircea_popescu;eventually goes away. 554657;1394541256;mircea_popescu;at least cisco knew what hit it. 554658;1394541268;nubbins`;i prefer the term antisocial media for trees/teevees 554659;1394541303;mircea_popescu;asocial i guess 554660;1394541330;nubbins`;that works 554661;1394541359;cazalla;i don't know whether to feel stupid for being duped by kuka or whether i should've known better 554662;1394541421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9527 @ 0.00087208 = 8.3083 BTC [+] 554663;1394541421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.065201 = 0.1304 BTC [-] {2} 554664;1394541426;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood. they seemed reasonably sane to begin with, german robotics maker with 1 bn in revenue worldwide 554665;1394541437;mircea_popescu;i closed the internal investigation without prejudice. 554666;1394541839;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/average-student-debt-difficult-to-pay-off-delays-life-milestones-1.2534974 554667;1394541840;ozbot;Average student debt difficult to pay off, delays life milestones - Canada - CBC News 554668;1394541847;nubbins`;"Verge originally intended to become a teacher, but changed her mind after one year at Memorial University. She spent the next two years at Nova Scotia Community College completing a photography program, hoping to become a photojournalist." 554669;1394541853;nubbins`;no fucking shit she can't pay off her student loans 554670;1394541889;nubbins`;"Verge dicked around for three years on borrowed money at an average cost of $24/day" 554671;1394541919;TomServo;Verge?! 554672;1394541966;nubbins`;"Verge's husband is currently pursuing a masters in history at Saint Mary's University in Halifax and hopes to continue into a PhD program. " 554673;1394541969;nubbins`;groan 554674;1394541973;nubbins`;yep, that'll bring in the bucks 554675;1394542008;mircea_popescu;$24 ? that's not that bad is it ? 554676;1394542043;mircea_popescu;i think i spend that much on stockings 554677;1394542242;nubbins`;sure, but you make money 554678;1394542248;nubbins`;"If she could go back to her senior year of high school, Verge would make different choices, namely being more certain of what she wanted to study before spending $8,000 on a year's worth of university tuition, books and living costs." 554679;1394542266;Neil;Yeah that kuka thing was a letdown. I was looking forward to having sthg interesting to watch when I got back home. 554680;1394542397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00087208 = 7.7615 BTC [+] 554681;1394542519;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.06470776 = 2.653 BTC [-] {11} 554682;1394542573;Neil;Clearly kuka not even close to being able to cut the mustard 554683;1394542707;mircea_popescu;nubbins` "If she could go back to her senior year of high school, Verge would make different choices, like hooking up with guys that beat her into sense and spend $24 a day on stockings alone rather than the current looser she's hitched with" 554684;1394542709;mircea_popescu;fifh 554685;1394542716;moiety;so is the new production place in china a bunch of BS then? 554686;1394542722;moiety;re kuka** 554687;1394542733;mircea_popescu;moiety depends what the ad copywriter was eating that day 554688;1394542752;moiety;fuck 554689;1394542821;moiety;asshats everywhere 554690;1394542824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00639999 = 0.448 BTC [-] {2} 554691;1394542835;moiety;http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/216576/heres-a-selfie-from-1920/ something cheery 554692;1394542943;moiety;" It took two people to hold the camera, probably because it was heavy as fuck." 554693;1394543334;asciilifeform;'graduated in 2008 with about $25,000 of debt just about the national average. More than five years later, she has only managed to pay back about $2,000.' << where did this kid work - Butugychag? 554694;1394543437;Neil;mircea_popescu: I don't remember you taking a 1% fee on such cancellations before on Bitbet. 554695;1394543602;asciilifeform;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/gen-y-struggles-in-expensive-housing-rental-market-1.2102109 554696;1394543606;ozbot;Gen Y struggles in expensive housing, rental market - Canada - CBC News 554697;1394543800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.61425728 = 4.2998 BTC [-] {5} 554698;1394543829;moiety;asciilifeform: here, you don't have to pay back your student loans until you earn over X amount 554699;1394543861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.06519316 = 2.021 BTC [+] {6} 554700;1394543922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2757 @ 0.00086817 = 2.3935 BTC [-] 554701;1394543961;asciilifeform;wonder how many of these folks would theoretically accept a russian passport and guaranteed metallurgical work in norilsk. 554702;1394544041;asciilifeform;they'd get $LOAN richer just by sending the creditors to pound sand up their arses. 554703;1394544063;asciilifeform;and the 'college' racket could finally implode. 554704;1394544271;moiety;it becomes a lifestyle for some doing degree after degree, never actually working 554705;1394544413;cazalla;moiety: are you from australia? 554706;1394544452;moiety;Scotland, Uk cazalla 554707;1394544470;cazalla;they do that here in australia, a lot of graduates take jobs that pay under the threshold as to avoid paying back the debt 554708;1394544500;moiety;yep same, all the time. that or they just sign up for another degree 554709;1394544541;moiety;i know one guy who did Politics, then Mental Health Nursing and now plans on a Philosophy degree 554710;1394544626;moiety;actually writes an anti-psychiatry anarchist blog 554711;1394544635;cazalla;i'm a high school drop out, my brother has a degree (medicinal chemistry) 554712;1394544678;cazalla;he makes sammages at subway heh 554713;1394544706;moiety;i would bite your hand off to go to uni ... but in my own time. worked since 14. it doesn't make you less of a person at all, they just like you to think so 554714;1394544751;moiety;lol @ the contradiction of medicinal and subway :) 554715;1394544793;mircea_popescu;Neil i don't think it akes any fee does it ? 554716;1394544815;cazalla;tx fee i think he means 554717;1394544819;moiety;http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/11/nigel-thew-brighton-worker-sacked-after-throwing-drunk-passenger-off-bus-in-saltdean-east-sussex-4518578 554718;1394544837;ozbot;Nigel Thew: Brighton worker sacked after throwing drunk passenger off bus in Saltdean, East Sussex | 554719;1394544860;mircea_popescu;" Police in Danville are investigating the theft of more than $15,000 worth of manhole covers that were stolen from various parts of the city" 554720;1394544868;mircea_popescu;almost enough to pay for college 554721;1394544898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 31 @ 0.08550831 = 2.6508 BTC [-] {9} 554722;1394544903;CheckDavid;cazalla: if you get a shitty job you don't have to pay debt? 554723;1394544905;cazalla;shipped to china like all the copper that gets knocked off i guess? 554724;1394544929;moiety;i know a guy who was trying to flirt with a girl a few years ago by giving her some bitcoins.... she contacted him when they hit $1k to tell him, she paid for her college tuition with them :) 554725;1394544939;cazalla;CheckDavid: you are only required to begin paying the debt once you earn over x amount 554726;1394544947;asciilifeform;'Having bits of the landscape disappear can be a rude surprise. One summer I arrived in St. Petersburg and found that a new scourge had descended on the land while I was gone: a lot of manhole covers were mysteriously missing. Nobody knew where they went or who profited from their removal. One guess was that the municipal workers, who hadn't been paid in months, took them home with them, to be returned once the 554727;1394544947;asciilifeform;y got paid. They did eventually reappear, so there may be some merit to this theory. With the gaping manholes positioned throughout the city like so many anteater traps for cars, you had the choice of driving either very slowly and carefully, or very fast, and betting your life on the proper functioning of the shock absorbers.' 554728;1394544960;asciilifeform;- orlov's 'post-soviet lessons for post-american century' 554729;1394544995;CheckDavid;cazalla: who issues the loan? Government? 554730;1394545020;cazalla;CheckDavid: yes 554731;1394545023;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid they're sort-of govt backed in most places. 554732;1394545030;asciilifeform;it's all fun'n'games until the boat girls mount DSHKs and hoist the black flag. 554733;1394545050;moiety;cazalla: i think you guys have certain degrees that never get fees at all, like nursing, right? bursary instead to get people to do it 554734;1394545050;CheckDavid;I see. Because I guess banks wouldn't care that much 554735;1394545076;moiety;we do here 554736;1394545079;asciilifeform;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_okE2fz_Pef8/TGJgBld9ziI/AAAAAAAACn0/KNS-17rr0Bk/s1600/img634170544374531250.JPG 554737;1394545091;asciilifeform;fits great. don't need a gigantic tub 554738;1394545116;cazalla;moiety: not sure if any are exempt but you can go back again and again to rack up more debt 554739;1394545122;mircea_popescu;Neil no 1% was charged (site does indicate that, but it's erroneous). the tx is 3a01762308fc1c9b36478d3bb4c3198eb69f3c29ab24af2e4520727c7fa9c79c3a01762308fc1c9b36478d3bb4c3198eb69f3c29ab24af2e4520727c7fa9c79c once it propagates you can check it. 554740;1394545213;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that looks like it could propel the boat, in a spot. 554741;1394545264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11586 @ 0.00087081 = 10.0892 BTC [+] 554742;1394545308;asciilifeform;it never ceases to amaze me how the 'excess people' make so little trouble, 'going gently into the good night' 554743;1394545320;mircea_popescu;why ? 554744;1394545325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14764 @ 0.00086781 = 12.8123 BTC [-] {2} 554745;1394545359;mircea_popescu;it's like "it never ceases to amaze me how the impotent never rape anyone". well of course not. if they could they wouldn't be impotent. 554746;1394545404;asciilifeform;they can't all be impotent 554747;1394545471;mircea_popescu;well no, but that's besides the point : they are all excess, as per your definition. 554748;1394545550;asciilifeform;if starving boat grls, where the hell are the jacqueries, i ask. 554749;1394545608;asciilifeform;where are the mass migrations 554750;1394545654;mircea_popescu;curretnly the mass migrations are from sane places to idiotic places, 554751;1394545684;mircea_popescu;which is actually the greatest boon on the developing world : all those mexicans, arabs etc leeching the welfare states aren't doing it so they may be us or eu citizens etc 554752;1394545709;mircea_popescu;they're doing it because a fool and his resources are soon partying, and once the party's over they'll just go back home and start their own renaissances. 554753;1394545724;asciilifeform;i meant - of the boatgirls. 554754;1394545756;mircea_popescu;what's a boat girl ? 554755;1394545777;asciilifeform;pictured here: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/gen-y-struggles-in-expensive-housing-rental-market-1.2102109 554756;1394545784;asciilifeform;(linked from earlier piece) 554757;1394545806;ThickAsThieves;“Zero transaction fees is the future,” Li said. According to him, the freemium business model is the new norm of the twenty-first century, and no industry, not even financial services, is safe from its disruption. 554758;1394545814;mircea_popescu;haha she's a boat alright. 554759;1394545815;asciilifeform;big empty space in the middle for DSHK. 554760;1394545823;mircea_popescu;i'll trade ya http://25.media.tumblr.com/21b2acb5bf1b8edc7b9633e6ee0acc72/tumblr_mqayfocu1s1rg2jxoo1_1280.jpg 554761;1394545835;asciilifeform;deal. 554762;1394545840;chetty_;http://rt.com/news/ukraine-mp-abducted-threatened-882/ 554763;1394545860;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your chick's not putting a machine gun in the middle for the same reason she's not getting laid 554764;1394545862;mircea_popescu;too much hassle. 554765;1394545875;asciilifeform;betcha she gets laid plenty. 554766;1394545887;chetty_;I'll hang you by the balls and have you f***ed' Ukrainian presidential hopeful abducts pro-Russian MP 554767;1394545919;mircea_popescu;lol nice 554768;1394545921;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform deal. 554769;1394545923;mircea_popescu;how we check ? 554770;1394545925;asciilifeform;chetty_: possibly of interest - http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-crimean-crisis-and-western-bias.html 554771;1394545977;chetty_;I gave up reading about it, its all disinfo anyway, I just liked that headline 554772;1394546127;ThickAsThieves;so these bigfoot guys wanna promote bitcoin on the streets or whatever, and this is the brochure they come up with... http://bitcoinbigfoot.com/showcasing-plan-b-brochure-mock/ 554773;1394546143;ThickAsThieves;2/3 is just logos 554774;1394546158;ThickAsThieves;then 10 or so bullet points, and more logos 554775;1394546171;ThickAsThieves;fucking idiots 554776;1394546176;mircea_popescu;comments are better 554777;1394546177;mircea_popescu;"Love what your doing but I see you do not send to the UK. My company are about to leash a few ATMs on the UK and would love to get a hold of perhaps your ai or pdf so I could print some off to give to everyone who is attending our launch in Feb." 554778;1394546219;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's tons of these outfits consisting of basically one guy and his adobe illustrator pretending to be in some form mass movements. 554779;1394546236;ThickAsThieves;BitPremier is one of the logos 554780;1394546237;mircea_popescu;i'd love nothing more than contact with a large club of street people, but these muppets ain't it. 554781;1394546237;ThickAsThieves;wtf 554782;1394546250;mircea_popescu;gimme detroit's grafitti artist club. 554783;1394546265;mircea_popescu;gimme the seattle bladers association 554784;1394546268;mircea_popescu;gimme something i can use 554785;1394546270;chetty_;well tons of single guys does sorta make a mass ....something 554786;1394546279;mircea_popescu;a two tone brochure i can have made in a half hour 554787;1394546291;asciilifeform;mass in the physical sense, perhaps 554788;1394546303;mircea_popescu;chetty_ tons of single guys with delusions of leadership, self-importance and whatever else makes maybe a ton of twitter accounts 554789;1394546306;mircea_popescu;but not hing useful. 554790;1394546331;chetty_;well mass ----something could wll be mass pile o shit 554791;1394546332;asciilifeform;1) mass 2) ??? 3) lenin 4) profit!1!!1 554792;1394546397;asciilifeform;(for the nitpickers, notice that i said 'profit!1!!1', not 'profit.') 554793;1394546434;cazalla;don't you mean profit!1!1!oneeleven!11 554794;1394546472;mircea_popescu;hi guise im eleven and what is this11 554795;1394546525;asciilifeform;at some point the lost souls will add up to a destructive mess, the question is when. 554796;1394546541;chetty_;yesterday 554797;1394546574;asciilifeform;nah 554798;1394546581;asciilifeform;festering != destructive 554799;1394546633;asciilifeform;these folks aren't disintegrating lepers, they're able-bodied creatures who could in principle create actual problems if they felt like it. 554800;1394546636;mircea_popescu;how do you know they will ? 554801;1394546644;mircea_popescu;no, they're disintegrating lepers. 554802;1394546672;asciilifeform;how do you know they will << hey don't look at me, i'm not their lenin. naturally i don't know. but historical parallels. 554803;1394546692;mircea_popescu;no such thing. 554804;1394546697;mircea_popescu;these people can't even say nigger. 554805;1394546709;asciilifeform;perhaps they could learn. 554806;1394546720;mircea_popescu;perhaps it'd cost more to learn than they're worth. 554807;1394546727;mircea_popescu;disintegrating lepers could also heal. 554808;1394546758;asciilifeform;surely that girl could learn to pull a trigger, for example. 554809;1394546771;asciilifeform;or at least service the fellow who does 554810;1394546789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00086747 = 9.7157 BTC [-] 554811;1394546878;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu would appear to be right, none of the traditional 'bubbling of rebellion' is happening, as far as i can see 554812;1394546883;asciilifeform;but i'm curious why. 554813;1394546972;mircea_popescu;no, she could not. how could she ? 554814;1394546996;chetty_;hahahaha:The municipal bond rating for Peoria has been downgraded 554815;1394547094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00086747 = 6.9398 BTC [-] 554816;1394547155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 582 @ 0.0001845 = 0.1074 BTC [-] 554817;1394547277;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 554818;1394547398;nubbins`;asciilifeform: she defaulted on her federal loans and has her wages garnishes, that's why she's only paid back $2k in 5 years 554819;1394547410;nubbins`;$33/mo 554820;1394547417;artifexd;http://sha256coins.com/sample-page/atc-altcoin/ 554821;1394547418;ozbot;ATC – Altcoin | SHA-256 Coins 554822;1394547422;nubbins`;think about that -- paying off a $25,000 loan at $33/mo 554823;1394547438;nubbins`;hope the photography "course" was worth it ;p 554824;1394547535;nubbins`;TBH i don't think they should give loans for degrees/diplomas in navel gazing 554825;1394547544;nubbins`;you want a student loan to learn a skilled trade? sure, here ya go 554826;1394547553;nubbins`;you want one to get your PhD in history? get fucked 554827;1394547842;ninjashogun;nubbins`, how do you feel about a personal loan to develop a proprietary hardware tech past proof of concept stage? 554828;1394547865;nubbins`;less than enthusiastic 554829;1394547874;ninjashogun;(which is what I've been looking for 3-4 weeks since receiving angel demo invites) 554830;1394547879;ninjashogun;how come? 554831;1394547887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00086731 = 7.1119 BTC [-] {2} 554832;1394547895;nubbins`;because i have no reason to believe that you're capable of anything besides hanging around here and bumming for money 554833;1394547909;ninjashogun;it's the same thing - something marketable that needs something up-front. You can't just ask people to speculate, you should extend the possibility of a loan to cover information asymmetry and personal responsibiilty. I wouldn't be gamblign with otehr people's money 554834;1394547918;*;nubbins` yawns 554835;1394547921;nubbins`;at least you keep trying 554836;1394547947;ThickAsThieves;loans are generally something to be unenthusiastic about 554837;1394547949;ninjashogun;nubbins` - fair enough. I've personally developed the proof of concept using vision software as well as embedded electronics with an arduino 554838;1394547951;nubbins`;;;gettrust ninjashogun 554839;1394547952;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user ninjashogun: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=ninjashogun | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ninjashogun | Rated since: never 554840;1394547959;ThickAsThieves;loans for convenience are okay i guess 554841;1394547970;nubbins`;ninjashogun: you need to realize that what you're saying means nothing to anyone here 554842;1394547971;ThickAsThieves;but loans on hopes and dreams, not so much 554843;1394547993;nubbins`;bitcoin is littered with the corpses of people who had better ideas and more resources than you 554844;1394548001;ninjashogun;nubbins`, that's not true. I guarantee 100% that there are people int his channel who know what vision algorithms are, and what electronics engineering and embedded programmigng are. 100% guaranteed. 554845;1394548009;nubbins`;no, you misunderstand 554846;1394548018;ninjashogun;(those are just two examples of the tech I've used.) 554847;1394548018;nubbins`;it's the fact that YOU are saying it 554848;1394548028;nubbins`;you're a nobody 554849;1394548043;nubbins`;and generally, adults don't give free money to nobodies with "ideas" 554850;1394548048;ninjashogun;nubbins`, but nubbins doesn't mean anything to me either. 554851;1394548059;nubbins`;okay, so? 554852;1394548066;nubbins`;i'm not asking you for a wheelbarrow of cash 554853;1394548068;ThickAsThieves;he didnt ask for monet 554854;1394548085;ninjashogun;It's not an "idea', first of all, I'm working on a company that was founded mroe than a year ago and has assigned IP as well as fullz developed prototypes that prove concept, using vision, some robotics elements, arduino, etc. 554855;1394548093;nubbins`;blah blah blah 554856;1394548095;nubbins`;same thing every time 554857;1394548103;nubbins`;people tell you precisely why they will never, ever give you money 554858;1394548112;nubbins`;and you try to argue that it's in their best interest to do so 554859;1394548126;ninjashogun;No, I do not argue it's in anyone's best interest, absolutely not. 554860;1394548128;nubbins`;it's like a child convincing dad that a can of frosting is a good idea for lunch 554861;1394548144;nubbins`;why are you wasting your time asking over and over? 554862;1394548145;ThickAsThieves;ninja how old are you 554863;1394548154;ninjashogun;I am looking for something similar to what I found before, which is someone who is interested in exploring the idea with me and would do so without necessarily having any big personal interest in it, other than obviously not losing money on it. 554864;1394548167;nubbins`;you won't find what you're looking for here 554865;1394548170;nubbins`;i guarantee it 554866;1394548170;ThickAsThieves;why did the last people leave? 554867;1394548223;ninjashogun;So, it was not people, it was one person, and he didn't leave but continues to express 'definite' interest (we've prepared loan paperwork, etc). I!ve pressed several times for a firm closure and he's repeated definite interest (instead of taking the chance to say, look, it's not that interesting to him) 554868;1394548253;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.IDIFF.MAR] 340 @ 0.0029461 = 1.0017 BTC [-] {2} 554869;1394548276;ninjashogun;The main reason I ask here is because it is people who are technical (almost by definition), have early vision and interest (almost by definition) and in many cases have enough funds that they can consider helping me on such a basis. Some people ahve been interested but the amount is too larger for them, I understand but that is nto the kind of person I'm lookiing for. 554870;1394548283;*;nubbins` yawns again 554871;1394548304;ThickAsThieves;lol 554872;1394548307;ThickAsThieves;just stop 554873;1394548312;nubbins`;^ 554874;1394548316;nubbins`;this, a thousand times this 554875;1394548321;mircea_popescu;Georgia Becomes First State in History to Pass the Convention of States Application 554876;1394548332;nubbins`;which georgia? 554877;1394548337;mircea_popescu;http://www.conventionofstates.com/news/georgia-becomes-first-state-history-pass-convention-states-application 554878;1394548337;ozbot;Georgia Becomes First State in History to Pass the Convention of States Application | Convention of 554879;1394548412;bitcoinpete;Markus Ortman, "COO of Bitcoin", explains all to Conan: 554880;1394548413;bitcoinpete;http://teamcoco.com/video/bitcoin-explaination 554881;1394548414;ozbot;Bitcoin's COO Explains What Bitcoin Is @ TeamCoco.com 554882;1394548424;nubbins`;ah, interesting 554883;1394548435;Diablo-D3;who the fuck is markus ortman 554884;1394548438;ThickAsThieves;what is this convention? 554885;1394548445;Diablo-D3;never heard of him 554886;1394548468;ThickAsThieves;it's a joke 554887;1394548470;bitcoinpete;Diablo-D3: he's made-up 554888;1394548485;Diablo-D3;I dont find jokes funny. 554889;1394548493;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: the dissolution begins 554890;1394548495;Diablo-D3;Lets light this guy on fire for being a heretic. 554891;1394548497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9032 @ 0.00086713 = 7.8319 BTC [-] {2} 554892;1394548540;bitcoinpete;and howdy 554893;1394548580;ThickAsThieves;yeah the coco thing isnt funny 554894;1394548669;mircea_popescu;<Diablo-D3> I dont find jokes funny. << lol 554895;1394548715;ThickAsThieves;http://www.salon.com/2014/03/09/the_ballad_of_bitcoin_jesus_the_tech_millionaire_evangelist_who_fears_for_his_life/ 554896;1394548716;ozbot;The ballad of “Bitcoin Jesus”: The tech millionaire who fears for his life - Salon.com 554897;1394548718;ThickAsThieves;see that's funny 554898;1394548735;ThickAsThieves;"I have sworn not to write the name of the island where Roger Ver is currently residing, the reason being that he fears for his life." 554899;1394548741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00086745 = 15.2671 BTC [+] {2} 554900;1394548773;ThickAsThieves;"Satoshi Nakamoto — who, it turns out, is an elderly Japanese man by the same name, " 554901;1394548775;ThickAsThieves;... 554902;1394548811;ThickAsThieves;“The U.S. is making it extremely difficult for me to stop being American.” 554903;1394548815;ThickAsThieves;lol 554904;1394548831;bitcoinpete;that's actually way funnier 554905;1394548849;ThickAsThieves;"The discontentment is also there when he talks about the first time he was arrested, at 18" 554906;1394548858;bitcoinpete;conan was only indicative of where the middle is, or isn't 554907;1394548864;ninjashogun;"Bitcoin was not created by Satashi Nakamoto, but by another man of the same name." 554908;1394548913;mircea_popescu;which jesus is this one, #6 ? 554909;1394548938;ThickAsThieves;Jesus Ver 554910;1394548968;nubbins`;http://www.singleblackmale.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/black-jesus-sacred.jpeg 554911;1394548969;nubbins`;jesus 0 554912;1394549016;mircea_popescu;whoa 554913;1394549019;mircea_popescu;black males can be single ? 554914;1394549025;mircea_popescu;i thought that was genetically impossible 554915;1394549075;nubbins`;jesus was single? 554916;1394549080;*;nubbins` raises eyebrow 554917;1394549139;jurov;ssh spiral 554918;1394549298;nubbins`;http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/10/Gay-Black-Republican-Selling-Guns-Online-for-Bitcoin 554919;1394549298;ozbot;Meet the Gay Black Republican Selling Guns Online for Bitcoin 554920;1394549303;nubbins`;i know all those words, but... 554921;1394549317;*;nubbins` scratches head 554922;1394549324;nubbins`;...i didn't think you could put them together like that 554923;1394549399;bitcoinpete;"Bitcoin enthusiasts don’t generally spend any time thinking about privilege. But greater computer literacy among the poor and easier-to-use interfaces, along with addressing tech’s gender problems should be a goal we all strive toward." 554924;1394549406;bitcoinpete;http://cathyreisenwitz.com/blog/2014/03/11/bitcoins-actual-privilege-problems/ 554925;1394549443;bitcoinpete;"t’s not essential, or possible, that the privilege crowd fully understand bitcoin or that the bitcoin crowd fully understand privilege. What would be very helpful, however, is for both parties to admit the vast sums which comprise what they do not know." 554926;1394549513;mircea_popescu;wait what. 554927;1394549549;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is like distilled privilege what the fuck is she on about. 554928;1394549564;nubbins`;one of the nice things about privilege is that you don't need to be aware of it 554929;1394549578;mircea_popescu;but im keenly aware of it. 554930;1394549594;mircea_popescu;that's the point of fucking bitcoin : to put privilege above the reach of the unprivileged. 554931;1394549595;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00620739 = 0.1428 BTC [-] {5} 554932;1394549616;nubbins`;ehhh, it's not privilege unless you were born into it 554933;1394549633;bitcoinpete;and there's more. it's fuckin privilege day 554934;1394549639;nubbins`;you saw something that was a good idea and you bought in. that's not privilege, it's sense 554935;1394549641;bitcoinpete;"You would have to be living under a rock feasting solely on anti-Bitcoin propaganda to think that Bitcoin is only about making money and oppressing the lesser privileged." 554936;1394549643;mircea_popescu;lol look at that, she has no comments section. 554937;1394549649;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinmagazine.com/11003/bitcoin-post-privilege-pro-human-rights/ 554938;1394549651;mircea_popescu;i was gonna let her know we were just talking about her. 554939;1394549669;mircea_popescu;here : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2014#554683 554940;1394549712;bitcoinpete;You can let MK Lords know: https://twitter.com/BitcoinNotBombs 554941;1394549770;bitcoinpete;"If we really want perspective on privilege, the global implications of an easy to use payment system must be taken into account for its efficiency in providing aid directly to people all over the world—especially disadvantaged women, many of which must raise families on low resources while their partner finds work in more economically healthy areas." 554942;1394549824;mircea_popescu;they're beyond clueless. 554943;1394549835;mircea_popescu;but ah well. most idiots manage to become useful in some manner. 554944;1394549892;bitcoinpete;"Bitcoin cannot possibly be limited to only the privileged as anyone (even people in Kenya) can gain access to it through standard cell phones, a tool which the developing world has increasing access to." 554945;1394549900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.052 = 0.156 BTC [+] 554946;1394549901;bitcoinpete;and they keep going... 554947;1394549905;mircea_popescu;yeah, totally. 554948;1394549920;mircea_popescu;the ease of access is totally not a tool of privilege. 554949;1394549927;mircea_popescu;like say, the tv. anyone even in kenya can get a tv. 554950;1394549933;mircea_popescu;thus therefore, the tv is highly democratic :D 554951;1394549945;bitcoinpete;tv=voting 554952;1394550043;mike_c;http://www.ariannasimpson.com/this-is-what-its-like-to-be-a-woman-at-a-bitcoin-meetup/ 554953;1394550045;ozbot;This is what it's like to be a woman at a Bitcoin meetup - Arianna Simpson 554954;1394550051;mike_c;being a guy is so much easier. 554955;1394550287;mircea_popescu;i left her a comment 554956;1394550291;mircea_popescu;shitty blog interface tho 554957;1394550395;mike_c;yeah, wordpress. what can you do ;) 554958;1394550526;mircea_popescu;lol 554959;1394550531;mircea_popescu;i dunno dood, my wp doesn't suck 554960;1394550560;mike_c;you gotta upgrade to get the suck 554961;1394550620;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.nature.com/news/2014/03/call-for-acid-bath-stem-cell-paper-to-be-retracted.html 554962;1394550622;ozbot;Call for acid-bath stem-cell paper to be retracted : Nature News Blog 554963;1394550632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.629999 BTC [+] 554964;1394550640;mircea_popescu;mike_c yeah srsly. 554965;1394550720;mircea_popescu;sooo... the rift people added a new profession, which is cool. 554966;1394550731;mircea_popescu;however to rank it up you need noob materials, which stressed the ufck out of the market. 554967;1394550748;mircea_popescu;noobs being noobs are too stupid to beeline for the generators and feed th hunger of the uberrich privileged maxlvl players 554968;1394550755;chetty_;http://www.finra.org/Investors/ProtectYourself/InvestorAlerts/FraudsAndScams/P456458?cmpid=cmty_twitter_fb 554969;1394550756;ozbot;Investor Alert - Bitcoin: More than a Bit Risky - FINRA 554970;1394550758;mircea_popescu;and so here i am, lvl 60, one hitting lvl 6 mobs with my DOT 554971;1394550907;Neil;mircea_popescu: Great. I'd have thought (apart from signatures) the site it automated, including transaction generation. I guess someone corrected it? 554972;1394550982;rbones;. 554973;1394550998;mircea_popescu;Neil it's not automated. 554974;1394551011;mircea_popescu;it's highly human supervised. 554975;1394551075;ThickAsThieves;from finra "If no one accepts bitcoins, bitcoins will become worthless." 554976;1394551078;ThickAsThieves;genius 554977;1394551083;Neil;lol 554978;1394551103;ThickAsThieves;"digital wallets can be hacked" 554979;1394551105;ThickAsThieves;... 554980;1394551122;ThickAsThieves;that's really the extent of that comment too 554981;1394551136;Neil;I'll always accept bitcoin, if only to bet on bitbet 554982;1394551158;ThickAsThieves;"Purchases can be refunded, but that depends solely on the willingness of the establishment to do so." 554983;1394551164;ThickAsThieves;and the law? 554984;1394551196;ThickAsThieves;they act like everything is so absolute 554985;1394551238;Neil;Bitbet seems better arb-ed than 9 months ago. 554986;1394551256;mike_c;for example? 554987;1394551280;Neil;Well there was easy money before in the difficulty bets; no longer the case. 554988;1394551290;mike_c;TaT stopped donating 554989;1394551293;mircea_popescu;Neil tbh it always was pretty well arbed, in the sense that i occasionally try taking one side and i have yet to come to a situation where i wasn't covered properly by the other side 554990;1394551298;mircea_popescu;even on obscure bets a la halep 554991;1394551307;mircea_popescu;it's just people are control freaks and want to MAKE SURE 554992;1394551352;Neil;Shitty turnouts like SDICE and Gox 1Mar wiped out my profits... 554993;1394551364;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04265 = 0.1706 BTC [+] {2} 554994;1394551400;mircea_popescu;so that prevents them from betting (like say http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/#c2574 ) 554995;1394551422;mircea_popescu;in a sense bitbet acts like the exact oposite of the doctrine of gpg contracts 554996;1394551432;Neil;The sky-high BTC price bets are always interesting psychologically 554997;1394551438;mircea_popescu;in that it's quite safe to go "i bet x btc on this and expect the other side to work out the odds" 554998;1394551444;mircea_popescu;yeah. 554999;1394551453;mircea_popescu;but i meant specifically the guy's concern re calculating final odds 555000;1394551532;Neil;Yes, to some extent the other side will come in to make up the odds (witness the recent CME bets) but there's still some friction. The large CME bets were ballsy and I guess should be worse than evens but an equal amount to the opening bet hasn't come in yet. 555001;1394551558;Neil;Perhaps my judgment of the odds is off. 555002;1394551565;mike_c;but.. why place a wager and then let someone else set the odds. 555003;1394551587;Neil;mike_c: coz you think you know better I suspect. 555004;1394551625;Neil;Actually the iron ore has more on the other side now. Hadn't noticed but that makes sense. 555005;1394551673;Neil;mike_c: Also the odds on both sides are somewhat random; it's not as if you can fix them given subsequent bettors 555006;1394551730;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00364 = 0.3276 BTC [-] {2} 555007;1394551742;mircea_popescu;Neil it's months out tho 555008;1394551755;mircea_popescu;it only matters whst the pool is at end 555009;1394551758;Neil;If BTC > $10k resolves as yes it'll be the biggest fiat bet yet 555010;1394551767;Neil;yup 555011;1394551884;mircea_popescu;nah, there was a 2k pool one when btc was 1.2k 555012;1394551890;mircea_popescu;so that was like 2.5mn almost 555013;1394551897;ThickAsThieves;http://promotions.newegg.com/HDD/14-0860/696x288.jpg 555014;1394551935;Neil;I wonder how long until a bitbet user suffers a MITM attack on the send-to address display 555015;1394551956;mike_c;^ i have wondered about that. 555016;1394551963;ThickAsThieves;http://bitcoinpride.com/t-shirts/featured/bitcoin-miner.html 555017;1394551965;ozbot;Bitcoin T-Shirt | Bitcoin Shirts & Tees - Bitcoin Pride Bitcoin Miner - Featured - T-Shirts 555018;1394551967;Neil;I'd feel much better if that bit were https 555019;1394551973;ThickAsThieves;someone stole graphics 555020;1394551998;mircea_popescu;Neil it's discussed periodically. you can always test before you send 555021;1394552004;mircea_popescu;as in, send a few bitcents first before your bet 555022;1394552036;Neil;You have a point for the bigger bets. But hardly ideal. Why expose your users? 555023;1394552044;artifexd;TAT: My wife bought that shirt for me. So many custom tshirt sites print on shitty quality shirts. This one was a good quality tshirt. 555024;1394552073;mircea_popescu;Neil what, i'm not telling them to be mitm'd. 555025;1394552073;mike_c;https doesn't cure all 555026;1394552096;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.0427 = 0.7686 BTC [+] 555027;1394552097;Neil;https makes it *much* harder unless I'm missing something. 555028;1394552116;mike_c;you are. i believe mitm is the most popular way to attack https. 555029;1394552118;diametric;yeah the effort required would make it not really worth it. 555030;1394552146;mircea_popescu;diametric arguable, because false reliance would sweeten the pot. 555031;1394552153;diametric;satoshi dice would be much easier to MITM 555032;1394552155;mircea_popescu;on a naked system like bitbet people know what the risks are 555033;1394552157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00086667 = 5.1567 BTC [-] {2} 555034;1394552162;mircea_popescu;on a pseudosecure system like https people misrepresent them 555035;1394552178;diametric;mircea_popescu: thats true 555036;1394552205;Neil;mircea_popescu: So you have no intention of improving the address thing, even if it starts to be taken advantage of? 555037;1394552218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00373 = 0.1492 BTC [+] 555038;1394552249;mircea_popescu;Neil once it gets taken advantage of it'll be changed 555039;1394552258;mircea_popescu;maybe add signed addresses 555040;1394552258;Neil;Hmm. 555041;1394552260;diametric;Satoshi dice would be very easy to attack since it's blocked in the US, which causes most US visitors to use TOR, which is easy to MITM especially since Satoshi Dice doesn't use https. 555042;1394552264;mircea_popescu;not that anyone'll bother checking anyway 555043;1394552279;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13184 @ 0.00086842 = 11.4492 BTC [+] 555044;1394552279;diametric;Then you simply need to create the 1DICE vantiy addresses and MITM replace them on load 555045;1394552287;Neil;I would if sending > 5 BTC 555046;1394552292;diametric;Hell, you could even implement the proper gambling and make people think they're just losing all the time. 555047;1394552308;mircea_popescu;Neil what's wrong with just sending a few bitcents ? 555048;1394552313;mircea_popescu;you can literally verify it this way. 555049;1394552326;mircea_popescu;if you were mitm'd either it doesn't show 555050;1394552335;mircea_popescu;or if the gy is really evil and it does show, it won't show as per your txid 555051;1394552337;Neil;Well, the main site could suffer the MITM too. Harder again, yes. 555052;1394552353;mircea_popescu;so check off a diff connection what. 555053;1394552372;Neil;I could fly to Romania too! 555054;1394552377;mircea_popescu;send 0.05, go to library, load page, come back send your 5btc or w/e 555055;1394552393;mircea_popescu;what, just becayse better internet here? 555056;1394552459;mike_c;it's closer to the server, harder to get mitm'd 555057;1394552483;mircea_popescu;not really that much closer i dont think 555058;1394552493;Neil;mircea_popescu: Visit kako, place the bet in person over a beer of course 555059;1394552503;mircea_popescu;anyway : all it takes for stupid "solutions" to take over the world is for people who know better to use them anwyay. 555060;1394552513;mircea_popescu;i will never, under any circumstances and for any reason use https as if it were secure. 555061;1394552526;mircea_popescu;i don't care that it's "somewhat better". 555062;1394552535;mircea_popescu;either it solves the problem and then i buy it, or else it does not and then i do not buy it. 555063;1394552539;mircea_popescu;i don't buy "sorta" solutions. 555064;1394552561;mircea_popescu;god forbid i ever get cancer, the doctors will have a fucking handful with me 555065;1394552571;mircea_popescu;"so does this cure it ? " "well... maybe..." "fu." 555066;1394552574;jurov;forget https. most sites use *email* as if it was secure 555067;1394552581;Neil;mircea_popescu: What happens to MPEX if you're run over by a bus? 555068;1394552628;jurov;Neil i'll hire mercenaries and go to timisoara to take it over 555069;1394552634;mircea_popescu;lol 555070;1394552635;jurov;:DDDD 555071;1394552645;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00600016 = 1.8 BTC [-] {6} 555072;1394552668;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i suppose goldman sachs' ll run it. 555073;1394552720;Neil;I worked there once. 555074;1394552738;mike_c;mitm ssl: 555075;1394552740;mike_c;http://www.thoughtcrime.org/software/sslsniff/ 555076;1394552741;ozbot;Moxie Marlinspike >> Software >> sslsniff 555077;1394552828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2272 @ 0.00086549 = 1.9664 BTC [-] 555078;1394552831;diametric;mike_c: you'll note that to deploy that successfully, and not make the browser shit red warnings everywhere, you'll need a forged cert. 555079;1394552867;jurov;diametric or unpatched apple/linux machine 555080;1394552879;mircea_popescu;forged certs are a matter of course 555081;1394552882;mircea_popescu;jut impersonate cloudflare 555082;1394552948;bitcoinpete;Speaking of cloudflare 555083;1394552949;bitcoinpete;https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/443409899687399424 555084;1394552950;ozbot;Twitter / bitcoinpete: Check out @blockchain being ... 555085;1394553003;mike_c;cloudflare is breaking the internet one stupid site at a time. 555086;1394553037;mircea_popescu;yeah 555087;1394553059;Apocalyptic;.d 555088;1394553059;ozbot;3.816 billion | Next Diff in 247 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.3029% in 1d 12h 40m 57s 555089;1394553073;mircea_popescu;it's like... between cloudflare, what's that fucktardec omments thing 555090;1394553080;mircea_popescu;disqus 555091;1394553101;mircea_popescu;web is slowly dieing the death of a thousand idiots. 555092;1394553133;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00086532 = 24.6616 BTC [-] {3} 555093;1394553194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00364 = 0.233 BTC [-] {3} 555094;1394553507;mircea_popescu;lmao check out this guy 555095;1394553507;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5637500#msg5637500 555096;1394553510;ozbot;[Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus 555097;1394553560;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44287593 BTC to 3`707 shares, 65899 satoshi per share 555098;1394553743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07419943 = 1.113 BTC [+] {4} 555099;1394553744;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 1.99778525 BTC to 13`595 shares, 14695 satoshi per share 555100;1394553804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17666 @ 0.00086842 = 15.3415 BTC [+] 555101;1394553804;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00600001 = 0.204 BTC [-] 555102;1394553865;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00600001 = 0.276 BTC [-] 555103;1394553911;thestringpuller;disqus is still a thing? 555104;1394553920;thestringpuller;i thought by now it went the way of geocities 555105;1394553926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.041789 = 0.3761 BTC [-] {3} 555106;1394553957;mircea_popescu;no because chicks with college debt and no prospects keep adding it to their blogs 555107;1394553987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0415 = 0.1245 BTC [-] {3} 555108;1394554014;dexX7;good thing that i use ghostery + adblock 555109;1394554048;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04125 = 0.1238 BTC [-] {2} 555110;1394554109;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [-] {2} 555111;1394554164;mike_c;i wish there were a one stop shop where i could find a veterinarian, a therapist, and a hedge fund manager. 555112;1394554231;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00373314 = 0.1419 BTC [+] {5} 555113;1394554232;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.006 = 1.2 BTC [-] {2} 555114;1394554292;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0037651 = 0.1694 BTC [+] {5} 555115;1394554316;mircea_popescu;hahaha 555116;1394554353;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00388252 = 0.1009 BTC [+] {4} 555117;1394554414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00389978 = 0.2223 BTC [+] {2} 555118;1394554475;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04057142 = 0.284 BTC [-] {4} 555119;1394554547;mircea_popescu;"Line to GET IN the security line is wrapped around the check-in area of the Austin airport. " 555120;1394554560;mircea_popescu;maybe they should hire sony 555121;1394554568;deadweasel;DrGregMullface was so funny that I'm now getting 502 for the forums. 555122;1394554583;dexX7;haha 555123;1394554609;dexX7;the forum is gettinmg 502 for more than a month now from time to time :S 555124;1394554635;dexX7;www.onename.io considers to add bitcointalk and wot 555125;1394554640;dexX7;kinda tells where those people came from 555126;1394554642;dexX7;or not came from 555127;1394554659;wao-ender;oh, namecoin project? 555128;1394554664;wao-ender;i'm totally supporting them 555129;1394554669;dexX7;it looks shiny 555130;1394554692;deadweasel;wow, takes 9 developers to display a QR code 555131;1394554705;Apocalyptic;hum nobody squatted 'mircea_popescu' yet 555132;1394554706;wao-ender;:D 555133;1394554766;dexX7;somewhere in the reddit comments they said there will be some kind of authentification. like: you claim you are mp and insert his twitter handle, but to proof it, you'd need to post a verification tweet 555134;1394554813;mircea_popescu;meh there's in principle 5k "services" like that and no barrier to entry 555135;1394554824;mircea_popescu;tomorrow it'll be 1name.cx or w/e 555136;1394554886;Apocalyptic;<dexX7> somewhere in the reddit comments they said there will be some kind of authentification // well if someone regged the u/* entry i wonder how can they claim it back 555137;1394554898;Apocalyptic;it's not like they can enforce anything at this point 555138;1394554946;wao-ender;v0v, i'm there! so social 555139;1394554962;dexX7;i have no idea how it works under the hood 555140;1394554978;wao-ender;it's namespace u/ in namecoin? 555141;1394554983;Apocalyptic;yes 555142;1394555020;Apocalyptic;https://www.onename.io/mircea_popescu 555143;1394555026;Apocalyptic;lol, someone just regged it 555144;1394555086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8592 @ 0.00086842 = 7.4615 BTC [+] 555145;1394555086;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.006 = 0.354 BTC [-] {2} 555146;1394555087;wao-ender;lol 555147;1394555153;dexX7;yesterday someone said this is trash. any insight why? 555148;1394555268;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 47 @ 0.00587222 = 0.276 BTC [-] {4} 555149;1394555329;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 94 @ 0.00576181 = 0.5416 BTC [-] {5} 555150;1394555331;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.040115 = 0.8023 BTC [-] {2} 555151;1394555451;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63055 = 1.2611 BTC [+] {2} 555152;1394555573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 144 @ 0.00389978 = 0.5616 BTC [+] {6} 555153;1394555695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06700013 = 0.469 BTC [-] {2} 555154;1394555756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06700013 = 0.335 BTC [-] 555155;1394555757;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.00599998 = 0.15 BTC [+] {3} 555156;1394555817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0405 = 0.81 BTC [+] 555157;1394555939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06700006 = 0.335 BTC [-] {3} 555158;1394556000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0405 = 0.324 BTC [+] 555159;1394556061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06700007 = 0.201 BTC [+] 555160;1394556122;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0405625 = 0.1623 BTC [+] {2} 555161;1394556488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00086527 = 13.5847 BTC [-] {2} 555162;1394557159;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [-] 555163;1394557342;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.006 = 1.2 BTC [-] {2} 555164;1394557465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.0008682 = 18.1888 BTC [+] {2} 555165;1394557651;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla how about linking bitbet bet income/outbound to blockr ? 555166;1394557769;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [+] 555167;1394557831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00086927 = 17.2985 BTC [+] {3} 555168;1394558379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00087025 = 15.0988 BTC [+] 555169;1394558759;benkay;this morning at the café, some nice lady is standing next to the air pot, idling, hoping for attention 555170;1394558762;benkay;i go for coffe, she informs me that this air pot is empty 555171;1394558770;benkay;so what is to be done but put the empty one on the counter and pop the cherry on the new one 555172;1394558774;benkay;why can nobody do anything for themselves? 555173;1394558802;mike_c;what the hell is an air pot? 555174;1394558824;mike_c;ah. i did for myself and googled 555175;1394558867;mike_c;hey benkay, did you ever end up making that rent short happen? 555176;1394558885;benkay;nope 555177;1394558888;benkay;!t h rent 555178;1394558890;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00570000 / 0.00595958 / 0.00654999 (457 shares, 2.72352803 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.00558308 / 0.00900001 (28720 shares, 160.34603001 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.00554085 / 0.00900001 (58409 shares, 323.63553001 BTC) 555179;1394558894;benkay;cuz i r lazy 555180;1394558898;benkay;and fukken 555181;1394558900;benkay;busy 555182;1394558904;mike_c;it popped up, but is sliding back. 555183;1394558923;benkay;still noodling on a 6 month put basically 555184;1394558974;mike_c;meh, just buy more btc. it would be slightly better. 555185;1394558977;benkay;yeah. 555186;1394558988;benkay;i've already decided on that strategy. i think rent plays are a red herring. 555187;1394558989;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1001 @ 0.00017531 = 0.1755 BTC [-] {13} 555188;1394558996;benkay;plus, what do i look like, a trader?! 555189;1394559038;mike_c;wheeler & dealer 555190;1394559050;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3999 @ 0.0001705 = 0.6818 BTC [-] {5} 555191;1394559118;benkay;so when do the big markets start to price in the taper? 555192;1394559139;benkay;when does the taper even kick in? 555193;1394559356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00389978 = 0.195 BTC [+] 555194;1394559357;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.0744241 = 2.1583 BTC [+] {7} 555195;1394559358;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13014 @ 0.00086487 = 11.2554 BTC [-] {2} 555196;1394559416;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7178 @ 0.00086389 = 6.201 BTC [-] 555197;1394559417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 449 @ 0.006 = 2.694 BTC [-] 555198;1394559429;mircea_popescu;there's no taper. 555199;1394559478;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.00391923 = 1.3325 BTC [+] {8} 555200;1394559721;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63 BTC [-] 555201;1394559782;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00396315 = 1.5853 BTC [+] {11} 555202;1394560087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5684 @ 0.00086371 = 4.9093 BTC [-] {2} 555203;1394561795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00086634 = 10.8293 BTC [+] 555204;1394562344;dexX7;hey guise what do you think about a blockchain postcard service? users submit a message which is then posted via op_return. i bet some devs would love the idea! :D 555205;1394562579;benkay;ipo it to the moon 555206;1394562720;mircea_popescu;i thought this existed. 555207;1394563172;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-peeconomy/ 555208;1394563173;ozbot;The peeconomy pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 555209;1394563198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11725 @ 0.00086955 = 10.1955 BTC [+] {2} 555210;1394563277;dexX7;brb creating cryptostocks ipo account 555211;1394563564;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04075 = 0.2038 BTC [-] 555212;1394563747;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0409 = 0.2045 BTC [+] 555213;1394564298;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/CandaceBushnell.png omfg look at this troll 555214;1394564377;dexX7;"the ugly who became a writer instead of cum sucking slut"? 555215;1394564438;mircea_popescu;well... "writer" 555216;1394564469;mircea_popescu;she's a sorta leah, and as we all know it sucks to be leah 555217;1394564479;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.613802 = 6.138 BTC [-] {6} 555218;1394564511;dexX7;well, i can't say that anything i ever wrote lead to a tv serie 555219;1394564540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 98 @ 0.59465477 = 58.2762 BTC [-] {30} 555220;1394564553;the20year2;Are there any bitcoin businesses that are using GAAP-approved accounting? 555221;1394564557;mircea_popescu;if i ever watched tv perhaps that'd sound like a lot more. 555222;1394564574;dexX7;don't, it's usually not worth 555223;1394564576;mircea_popescu;the20year2 the bitcoin standard is the an0. 555224;1394564591;mircea_popescu;even simplyfied as it is, very few actually use it. 555225;1394564601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 92 @ 0.57480927 = 52.8825 BTC [-] {24} 555226;1394564608;the20year2;When did the bitcoin foundation approve an0? 555227;1394564627;dexX7;since when does create the foundation standards? 555228;1394564629;*;TomServo ducks and covers 555229;1394564635;dexX7;^ :D 555230;1394564635;mircea_popescu;the who ? 555231;1394564644;the20year2;Isn't the client maintained by the foundation? 555232;1394564648;mircea_popescu;nope. 555233;1394564665;the20year2;So, what's special about your accounting format? 555234;1394564674;mircea_popescu;that it's the bitcoin standard. 555235;1394564681;mircea_popescu;what's so special about the gaap ? 555236;1394564709;the20year2;It's accepted by a country with a 17t economy plus other economies resulting over 25t of gdp 555237;1394564719;mircea_popescu;right 555238;1394564723;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 24 @ 0.57 = 13.68 BTC [-] {3} 555239;1394564728;mircea_popescu;an0 is accepted by the exchange doing 90%+ of all bitcoin financials. 555240;1394564746;the20year2;Is it in use outside of mpex? 555241;1394564762;mircea_popescu;nobody cares what the scammers do. 555242;1394564775;the20year2;So all companies outside of mpoe is a scammer? 555243;1394564780;mircea_popescu;are. yes. 555244;1394564784;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-] 555245;1394564785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059217 = 0.5922 BTC [-] {6} 555246;1394564790;the20year2;And how is neobee scamming? 555247;1394564798;dexX7;or rent? 555248;1394564800;mircea_popescu;not publishing financial results. 555249;1394564826;the20year2;Are an0 financials audited by outside organizations? 555250;1394564854;mircea_popescu;there aren't such organisations yet. 555251;1394564899;*;nubbins` chuckles 555252;1394564934;the20year2;So, financial reports are prepared by the company who issues them? 555253;1394564946;artifexd;mp, an0 == http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/ ? 555254;1394564954;mircea_popescu;that's generally the way it goes, yes. 555255;1394564956;mircea_popescu;artifexd yea 555256;1394564963;the20year2;So, what prevents the organization from lying? 555257;1394564975;mircea_popescu;the20year2 bitcoin is not about preventing anyone from lying. 555258;1394564978;nubbins`;the correct question is "how is lying identified" 555259;1394564980;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is about the conseuqences of having lied. 555260;1394565050;joecool;consequences will never be the same 555261;1394565054;nubbins`;the answer is left as an exercise to the reader 555262;1394565055;mircea_popescu;defo. 555263;1394565085;dexX7;havelock down, forums extremely slow 555264;1394565089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00087059 = 5.7894 BTC [+] {2} 555265;1394565268;mike_c;has bitbet ever been ddos'd? 555266;1394565276;mircea_popescu;the20year2 this dovetails nicely into your earlier curiosities re listing on mpex w/o an account. itstands to reason that large financial institutions that have their own account can keep their accounting straight ; 555267;1394565297;mircea_popescu;whereas small players will have to retain the help of an investment banker, in which case they get auditing as a packaged deal anyway 555268;1394565306;mircea_popescu;mike_c well people try occasionally. 555269;1394565309;the20year2;Maybe so 555270;1394565333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23504 @ 0.00086725 = 20.3838 BTC [-] 555271;1394565336;mike_c;i take that to mean they aren' very successful 555272;1394565351;mircea_popescu;not so far. 555273;1394565365;mircea_popescu;didja see the thing where they tried to hijack the dns via social engineering ? 555274;1394565377;mike_c;interesting, no. 555275;1394565404;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/ 555276;1394565407;ozbot;O hai let me verify your identity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 555277;1394565422;mike_c;wait, wasn't that how mpex got down? somebody impersonated you to a proxy server admin? 555278;1394565443;mircea_popescu;yes, a year ago. 555279;1394565455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00590256 = 1.7708 BTC [-] {7} 555280;1394565456;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04050001 = 0.2025 BTC [-] 555281;1394565457;mike_c;hehe. cuddle-puddle. 555282;1394565536;joecool;i've seen more than a few domains get jacked from social engineering, the best are ones that clone the site, set up shop somewhere without many laws (romania?), then monetize the stolen site 555283;1394565555;thestringpuller;lol 555284;1394565559;joecool;and even if the domain was with a US registrar it usually takes a month or two to go through the processes to get it back 555285;1394565566;joecool;and a lot of money 555286;1394565577;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04034999 = 0.2017 BTC [-] {5} 555287;1394565582;thestringpuller;someone would have just manipulated the mpex trades 555288;1394565587;mircea_popescu;they need to cease this id-by-email bs. 555289;1394565600;thestringpuller;and made it look like real trades 555290;1394565604;mircea_popescu;it's about as bad as "cc over the phone" 555291;1394565606;thestringpuller;and profit on people trading on bad info 555292;1394565623;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller it got caught pretty quick. 555293;1394565637;joecool;mircea_popescu: cc over the phone is less bad in my opinion 555294;1394565638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0401 = 0.2807 BTC [-] 555295;1394565640;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09298999 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2} 555296;1394565645;mircea_popescu;joecool why ? 555297;1394565664;joecool;mircea_popescu: it's fairly easily reversible, just claim the charges were fraud 555298;1394565694;joecool;mircea_popescu: not like a CC carries any sort of personal info other than name and address which are often already public record 555299;1394565699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.09339 = 0.5603 BTC [+] 555300;1394565705;mircea_popescu;well sure, reversible. 555301;1394565712;mircea_popescu;the fact you can reverse it doesn't mean it didn't fail thjo 555302;1394565715;thestringpuller;yea but the attacker wouldn't have profited directly on stealing people's money, mpex key is still guarded by naked lady ninja assassins 555303;1394565754;joecool;thestringpuller: that would depend on whether the attacker actually received goods, if they ran a merchant account they'd have the money clawed back 555304;1394565775;mircea_popescu;joecool they do triangles. 555305;1394565779;thestringpuller;i was talking more about an attacker getting access to mpex key via the proxy 555306;1394565787;thestringpuller;but I don't think the proxy decrypts trades just announces 555307;1394565824;joecool;mircea_popescu: skimmers are a bigger threat if you can duplicate the magstripe, but most non-US countries figured that out and went chip and pin 555308;1394565866;mircea_popescu;not what i meant. what i meant was, fraudster sells the merchandise to ignorant buyer, gets irreversible payment from him 555309;1394565869;joecool;ie. if i walk into a store with a stolen magstripe you don't know i have, i can purchase goods and even if there's a chargeback, it only claws back from the store those goods were bought at 555310;1394565880;mircea_popescu;you can reverse all you want, it;s not really helping much 555311;1394565890;mircea_popescu;right 555312;1394565905;joecool;oh sure yeah if you pull the old paypal-style MITM that's burned so many people in OTC 555313;1394565919;nubbins`;even places that use chip-and-pin will fallback to magstripe if there's a problem with the chip 555314;1394565925;mircea_popescu;^ 555315;1394565934;mircea_popescu;fiat world security is appalling 555316;1394565943;nubbins`;grab a chip and pin card, rewrite the stripe, smash the chip with a ball-peen hammer 555317;1394565992;nubbins`;a friend of mine had "PLEASE ASK FOR PHOTO ID" on the signature panel of his credit card some years ago 555318;1394565995;joecool;true heh, in canada i use magstripe and it throws off all the clerks 555319;1394566000;nubbins`;he says "watch this" 555320;1394566007;joecool;cause only one or two US issuers have chip and pin as an option 555321;1394566015;nubbins`;pays for item in store, cashier looks at back, says "heh" and swipes the card 555322;1394566042;joecool;nubbins`: i've tested this theory, writing various things like "I STOLE THIS CARD" on the signature pad 555323;1394566045;dexX7;nubbins`: "please ask for photo id" - that's an awesome move 555324;1394566045;nubbins`;heh 555325;1394566051;joecool;only two types of places ever gave me shit 555326;1394566052;joecool;1. best buy 555327;1394566061;nubbins`;great idea but you might as well say "FREE BLOWJOB PLZ" 555328;1394566062;joecool;2. stores around ghetto'd aeras 555329;1394566064;joecool;*areas 555330;1394566065;nubbins`;for all the good it does 555331;1394566082;the20year2;I guess it wouldn't be too difficult to publish an0 + gaap reports 555332;1394566087;mircea_popescu;the blowjob you might get 555333;1394566091;nubbins`;but for free? 555334;1394566100;nubbins`;"sorry my break isn't for another half hour" 555335;1394566130;mircea_popescu;the20year2 i'll bet you you'll be giving up on the gaap style within 12 reporting periods 555336;1394566140;mircea_popescu;10x the effort, hardly any extra benefit delivered 555337;1394566148;mircea_popescu;but by all means, try the experiment 555338;1394566162;the20year2;If we use GAAP it makes it easier to transition to a public corp 555339;1394566203;mircea_popescu;nothing wrong with keeping multiple styles anyway 555340;1394566209;mircea_popescu;most large corps do both gaap and ifra anyway 555341;1394566248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00087063 = 4.7885 BTC [+] 555342;1394566254;the20year2;an0 looks pretty simple, and my idea was to publish something non-gaap anyways since i don't think we can count bitcoin in that, and we'll always have btc balances onhand, so I planned on issuing non-gaap reports at the same time the gaap ones were done (TSLA does that) 555343;1394566277;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: MPOE will still pay dividends from new sign up fees no? 555344;1394566281;thestringpuller;dumb question 555345;1394566282;thestringpuller;disregard 555346;1394566284;thestringpuller;lol 555347;1394566296;the20year2;Although in the case of tesla, they issued the non-gaap a few hours before gaap and gained an extra $50/share 555348;1394566309;mircea_popescu;and the sec never investigated 555349;1394566325;mircea_popescu;cause they were too busy confiscating the money of traders who had bought options on berkshire 555350;1394566332;the20year2;Yeah , i don't know though if it's illegal to issue non-gaap reports 555351;1394566367;mircea_popescu;but look here : some people bought options, in switzerland. they had their accounts frozen and they were required to... prove!!! they didn't trade on insider info. 555352;1394566382;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, tesla creates random info disparities, nobody cares. 555353;1394566410;mircea_popescu;quite scandalous, at least to my eye. 555354;1394566478;the20year2;how big was the loss/gain on the berkshire stuff? 555355;1394566547;mircea_popescu;like 20x, a few million 555356;1394566560;the20year2;tesla's was way more than a few million 555357;1394566572;mircea_popescu;kinda my point. 555358;1394566654;mircea_popescu;https://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1365171512848 555359;1394566657;mircea_popescu;that's the link 555360;1394566669;ozbot;SEC.gov | SEC Freezes Assets in Swiss-Based Account Used in Suspected Insider Trading Ahead of Hein 555361;1394566673;mircea_popescu;so what i want to know is, how many accounts that traded on the pre-gaap release were frozen by the sexc 555362;1394566683;mircea_popescu;if they have the time to freeze 100k worth of options. 555363;1394566706;the20year2;usgov has alot behind tesla's success 555364;1394566720;mircea_popescu;right. 555365;1394566736;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02114995 = 0.1057 BTC [+] 555366;1394566737;mircea_popescu;basically we're seeing the 1990s of the russian republic all over again. 555367;1394566761;mircea_popescu;here are the companies the government supports, here are the people it doesn't support, "rule of law" stuff. 555368;1394566784;the20year2;Just about 555369;1394566834;mircea_popescu;so you know, where's the list of washington, dc people who bought tsla pre-release. 555370;1394566855;mircea_popescu;that's what an investigative finacial journo that's looking to jump out of a window would pursue. 555371;1394566977;nubbins`;or in front of a subway! 555372;1394567034;mircea_popescu;easier to "find" satoshi i guess. 555373;1394567041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.04005262 = 0.761 BTC [-] {5} 555374;1394567224;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.02034704 = 0.3052 BTC [-] {4} 555375;1394567304;mike_c;what. the. fuck. "all ur assets belong to us". and now they have to *prove* their innocence? 555376;1394567310;mircea_popescu;why's Plaxant sound familiar to me. 555377;1394567317;dexX7;here is a general warning: mp cooperates with the sec, so be careful what you tell here 555378;1394567322;mircea_popescu;mike_c yeah, they weren't on the list of people who are allowed to make moneyz. 555379;1394567341;mircea_popescu;dexX7 aren;t you in the us ? 555380;1394567366;dexX7;hehe no 555381;1394567406;Plaxant;mircea_popescu I don't know 555382;1394567547;mircea_popescu;anyway, no, we're not there yet. currently the sec is trying to get its shit together to be able to cooperate with mp. 555383;1394567624;mike_c;what a joke. "Plaintiff Securities and Exchange Commission ("Commission"), for its Complaint against 555384;1394567624;mike_c;defendants Certain Unknown Traders" 555385;1394567808;mircea_popescu;mike_c put that in perspective. the bezzle is the bezzle. people who are authorised to handle the imaginary portion of the monetary base may do X Y Z types of things. people who are not, however, may not. 555386;1394567835;mircea_popescu;a trillion dollars is not much loss for usg ineptitude. a hundred grand is too much gain for real world people, 555387;1394567850;mircea_popescu;for the directly obvious reason that the trilion in question doesn't really exist. 555388;1394567881;mike_c;the asset seizure laws are what get me.. they are just unbelievable. 555389;1394567900;mircea_popescu;the system is desperate to acquire as much as possible of the real portion of the monetary base. 555390;1394567930;mircea_popescu;that's why they'll gladly give you "401k" in exchange for your paycheck. 555391;1394567946;mircea_popescu;the 401k is b*i type. 555392;1394567950;mircea_popescu;your paycheck is a type 555393;1394567966;dexX7;http://www.dfs.ny.gov/about/po_vc_03112014.htm 555394;1394567981;dexX7;no gribble preview? "NYDFS ISSUES PUBLIC ORDER ON VIRTUAL CURRENCY EXCHANGES" 555395;1394568038;mircea_popescu;it's just an "order" to consider proposals. 555396;1394568065;mircea_popescu;dunno who wants to make a ny exchange, anyway. 555397;1394568079;dexX7;the second market/circle guys afaik 555398;1394568103;mircea_popescu;but that's at least part of why the "someone will actually manage to spring up somewhere to allow us to trade in confidence" part is in the last mpoe statement. 555399;1394568114;mircea_popescu;yeah, maybe. 555400;1394568148;dexX7;yeah well. is this a bad thing? 555401;1394568169;mircea_popescu;i don't see why it would be a bad thing. 555402;1394568183;mircea_popescu;people who like it can move to ny, people who don't like it can move out of ny. 555403;1394568193;dexX7;yup 555404;1394568223;mircea_popescu;it's unlikely to buck the us emigration trend, but who knows. 555405;1394568383;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.04 = 0.48 BTC [-] 555406;1394568505;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 125 @ 0.00324 = 0.405 BTC [+] 555407;1394568546;mircea_popescu;lemme spam you all : 555408;1394568563;mircea_popescu;Stock Splits and Stock Activity 555409;1394568563;mircea_popescu;We often are asked why Berkshire does not split its stock. 555410;1394568563;mircea_popescu;The assumption behind this question usually appears to be that a 555411;1394568563;mircea_popescu;split would be a pro-shareholder action. We disagree. Let me 555412;1394568563;mircea_popescu;tell you why. 555413;1394568564;mircea_popescu;One of our goals is to have Berkshire Hathaway stock sell at 555414;1394568566;mircea_popescu;a price rationally related to its intrinsic business value. (But 555415;1394568570;mircea_popescu;note rationally related, not identical: if well-regarded 555416;1394568572;mircea_popescu;companies are generally selling in the market at large discounts 555417;1394568574;mircea_popescu;from value, Berkshire might well be priced similarly.) The key to 555418;1394568576;mircea_popescu;a rational stock price is rational shareholders, both current and 555419;1394568578;mircea_popescu;prospective. 555420;1394568580;mircea_popescu;If the holders of a companys stock and/or the prospective 555421;1394568582;mircea_popescu;buyers attracted to it are prone to make irrational or emotion- 555422;1394568584;mircea_popescu;based decisions, some pretty silly stock prices are going to 555423;1394568586;mircea_popescu;appear periodically. Manic-depressive personalities produce 555424;1394568588;mircea_popescu;manic-depressive valuations. Such aberrations may help us in 555425;1394568590;mircea_popescu;buying and selling the stocks of other companies. But we think 555426;1394568592;mircea_popescu;it is in both your interest and ours to minimize their occurrence 555427;1394568594;mircea_popescu;in the market for Berkshire. 555428;1394568596;mircea_popescu;To obtain only high quality shareholders is no cinch. Mrs. 555429;1394568600;mircea_popescu;Astor could select her 400, but anyone can buy any stock. 555430;1394568603;mircea_popescu;Entering members of a shareholder club cannot be screened for 555431;1394568605;mircea_popescu;intellectual capacity, emotional stability, moral sensitivity or 555432;1394568607;mircea_popescu;acceptable dress. Shareholder eugenics, therefore, might appear 555433;1394568609;mircea_popescu;to be a hopeless undertaking. 555434;1394568611;mircea_popescu;In large part, however, we feel that high quality ownership can be attracted and maintained if we consistently communicate our business and ownership philosophy - along with no other conflicting messages - and then let self selection follow its course. For example, self selection will draw a far different crowd to a musical event advertised as an opera than one advertised as a rock concert even though anyon 555435;1394568615;mircea_popescu;e can buy a ticket to either. 555436;1394568618;mircea_popescu;Through our policies and communications - our advertisements - we try to attract investors who will understand our operations, attitudes and expectations. (And, fully as important, we try to dissuade those who wont.) We want those who think of themselves as business owners and invest in companies with the intention of staying a long time. And, we want those who keep their eyes focused on business resul 555437;1394568623;mircea_popescu;ts, not market prices. 555438;1394568624;mircea_popescu;Investors possessing those characteristics are in a small minority, but we have an exceptional collection of them. I believe well over 90% - probably over 95% - of our shares are held by those who were shareholders of Berkshire or Blue Chip five years ago. And I would guess that over 95% of our shares are held by investors for whom the holding is at least double the size of their next largest. Among companies 555439;1394568631;mircea_popescu;with at least several thousand public shareholders and more than $1 billion of market value, we are almost certainly the leader in the degree to which our shareholders think and act like owners. Upgrading a shareholder group that possesses these characteristics is not easy. 555440;1394568635;mircea_popescu;Were we to split the stock or take other actions focusing on stock price rather than business value, we would attract an entering class of buyers inferior to the exiting class of sellers. At $1300, there are very few investors who cant afford a Berkshire share. Would a potential one-share purchaser be better off if we split 100 for 1 so he could buy 100 shares? Those who think so and who would buy the stoc 555441;1394568640;mircea_popescu;k because of the split or in a 555442;1394568642;mircea_popescu;split or in anticipation of one would definitely downgrade the quality of our present shareholder group. (Could we really improve our shareholder group by trading some of our present clear-thinking members for impressionable new ones who, preferring paper to value, feel wealthier with nine $10 bills than with one $100 bill?) People who buy for non-value reasons are likely to sell for non-value reasons. Their pre 555443;1394568647;mircea_popescu;sence in the picture will accentuate erratic price swings unrelated to underlying business developments. 555444;1394568656;mircea_popescu;apparently a smaller amt of phone number isn't better after all! 555445;1394568806;dub;is this some form of comedy? 555446;1394568819;mircea_popescu;it must be. 555447;1394568846;joecool;!rate mircea_popescu 1 seems legit 555448;1394568855;*;chatquack stands and claps 555449;1394568871;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2770 @ 0.0001799 = 0.4983 BTC [+] 555450;1394568876;mircea_popescu;anyway, the hate re finance industry continues, http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1983.html 555451;1394568932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2753 @ 0.0008686 = 2.3913 BTC [-] 555452;1394568952;mircea_popescu;and to wash the horror of all that text, 555453;1394568953;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/8b4c582f11725ac5b4d081686b48c9e2/tumblr_msq4bc4AMn1s2kr10o1_1280.jpg 555454;1394569259;mircea_popescu;http://www.siliconbeat.com/2014/03/11/bitcoin-foundation-ramps-up-lobbying-efforts-with-high-profile-hires/ 555455;1394569260;ozbot;Bitcoin Foundation ramps up lobbying efforts with high-profile hires | SiliconBeat 555456;1394569283;mircea_popescu;lulzy : as it is downgraded to "one of the worlds leading advocacy groups for the cybercurrency," bitcoin foundation hires jim harper and some pr 555457;1394569365;bitcoinpete;In continuing our celebration of Privilege Day: 555458;1394569369;bitcoinpete;"Those in the 21st century who are most enamored of the word privilege—and often wield it as a bludgeon—make two mistakes. First, as Skwire shows us, they underestimate the complexity of power dynamics and social context. But they often take it a step further. In the name of reducing their newer, fuzzier kind of social privilege, they often advocate increases in the simple, old-fashioned, government-based variety." 555459;1394569376;bitcoinpete;http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/check-your-history 555460;1394569377;ozbot;Check Your History : The Freeman : Foundation for Economic Education 555461;1394569402;bitcoinpete;More from another MK, Marcus instead of Lords 555462;1394569415;mircea_popescu;all this aside : nobody has so far explained what the problem is with privilege in the first place. 555463;1394569431;mircea_popescu;some people are better than others. intrinsically so. unequivocally so. what of it ? 555464;1394569481;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16026 @ 0.0008686 = 13.9202 BTC [-] 555465;1394569524;bitcoinpete;I wish I had an answer 555466;1394569555;mircea_popescu;all these kids running around acting as if universal equality is somehow a fait accompli. 555467;1394569565;mircea_popescu;ridoinkulous. 555468;1394569593;bitcoinpete;it's not signed and sealed yet, gays can't marry everywhere and we don't have free govweed 555469;1394569603;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 117 @ 0.00488 = 0.571 BTC [+] 555470;1394569616;ThickAsThieves;"privilege" is in the same toolkit as "mean" 555471;1394569640;bitcoinpete;and we still have to share our privilege with africa 555472;1394569642;ThickAsThieves;a separation of logic and comfort 555473;1394569651;bitcoinpete;his will be dun 555474;1394569653;benkay;the20year2: your operation can't possibly file an0. 555475;1394569683;dub;they shared AIDS with us, its only fair 555476;1394570030;mircea_popescu;dub i thought the monkeys gave us aids 555477;1394570052;mircea_popescu;because privileged upper class british explorer people got bored playing the anthropologist 555478;1394570372;mike_c;it's not FAIR. that's what of it. 555479;1394570387;mike_c;re:privelege 555480;1394570519;dexX7;The stability and longevity of the virtual currency, which exists outside of government and bank regulation, has been in question ... yeah well, tells enough 555481;1394570564;dexX7;sometimes i wonder why such experts dare to think their contribution was asked for in the first place 555482;1394570605;mircea_popescu;hey, me too. 555483;1394570640;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00086686 = 26.6993 BTC [-] {3} 555484;1394570766;mircea_popescu;;;later tell copumpkin http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpoe_sign.txt 555485;1394570766;gribble;The operation succeeded. 555486;1394570945;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72000 @ 0.00086569 = 62.3297 BTC [-] {5} 555487;1394571006;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00615994 = 1.848 BTC [+] 555488;1394571007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62632993 = 1.879 BTC [+] {3} 555489;1394571067;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 343 @ 0.00615994 = 2.1129 BTC [+] {2} 555490;1394571068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.628 BTC [+] 555491;1394571189;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00386884 = 0.1199 BTC [-] {3} 555492;1394571494;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06800694 = 1.7002 BTC [-] {7} 555493;1394572349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.04378767 = 0.9195 BTC [-] {6} 555494;1394572471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 22 @ 0.04300321 = 0.9461 BTC [-] {4} 555495;1394572531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00615994 = 0.2464 BTC [-] 555496;1394572592;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.618 BTC [-] 555497;1394572958;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.04300333 = 0.301 BTC [+] 555498;1394573263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00086916 = 1.2168 BTC [+] 555499;1394573813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00086777 = 6.7252 BTC [-] 555500;1394573995;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04 = 0.12 BTC [-] 555501;1394574021;jurov;i did not get the overstock spam, should i fear i'll be left behind by impending rapture? 555502;1394574037;mircea_popescu;as you can see 555503;1394574042;mircea_popescu;we are being left behind 555504;1394574106;jurov;Patrick Byrne: Bitcoin Messiah, CEO of Overstock, Scourge of Wall Street 555505;1394574117;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04 = 0.12 BTC [-] 555506;1394574122;mircea_popescu;another one ? 555507;1394574124;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/eskimo-nell/ 555508;1394574134;jurov;trying to reinvent austro-hungarian nomenclature and failing badly 555509;1394574156;mircea_popescu;cause you didn't use enough dashes. 555510;1394574160;mircea_popescu;you gotta dash the audience 555511;1394574178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00086777 = 4.7727 BTC [-] 555512;1394574180;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/csoghoian/status/443488826795646976/photo/1 555513;1394574187;mircea_popescu;His Most Eminent Serenicy, Patrick Byrne, Messiah-CEO of the Bitcoin Realms 555514;1394574225;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo win 555515;1394574251;BingoBoingo;Eh, this web thing isn't for security 555516;1394574278;mircea_popescu;also Chris Morrow is pretty hawt 555517;1394574336;jurov;"Go forth in search of fun" translates into "Merg sa-si caute pizde de scos la raport", rly? 555518;1394574363;kakobrekla;http://bou.si/rest/namorm.png 555519;1394574367;kakobrekla;runnin low on coin. 555520;1394574387;jurov;nice css 555521;1394574401;mircea_popescu;jurov well that'd be untranslatable. 555522;1394574421;kakobrekla;yes, lel, the guy making the shot mentioned i should look at css. 555523;1394574473;mircea_popescu;but literally it'd be "they go looking for cunts to make fall-in", as in the military thing. 555524;1394574482;mircea_popescu;fall in for inspection 555525;1394574505;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla is that what they say when an acct is unverified ? or is it what they say when they're out of btc ? 555526;1394574632;kakobrekla;i dunno what difference does it make, its btc we are talking bout 555527;1394574662;mircea_popescu;if you have some bitcoin it's not your bitcoin 555528;1394574664;mircea_popescu;obamastamp 555529;1394574695;kakobrekla;also it IS verified. 555530;1394574758;benkay;mystical coins 555531;1394574770;mircea_popescu;oh 555532;1394574774;mircea_popescu;well that's not so good. 555533;1394574830;Bunnyh;i got that too a few weeks ago. i got an email too, which explained that withdrawal was blocked because of attempted phishing attacks, and i had to contact support 555534;1394574837;Bunnyh;took a few days to clear that out 555535;1394574849;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00086799 = 15.6238 BTC [+] {3} 555536;1394574868;mircea_popescu;Bunnyh so did you get your bitcoin back eventually ? 555537;1394574870;kakobrekla;phishing attacks cause they were hacked which they didnt admit? 555538;1394574880;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla stop slandering you soul you. 555539;1394574902;Bunnyh;yes, after they finally cleared the block the withdraw was pretty fast 555540;1394574946;mircea_popescu;bitstamp is like a respectable business and everything 555541;1394574954;mircea_popescu;they just don't know what they're doing is all 555542;1394574954;Bunnyh;first support response was the same message, even with the "Please contact support part", that was a bit funnyt 555543;1394574960;mircea_popescu;lmao 555544;1394574977;Duffer1;ha 555545;1394575092;Bunnyh;i had only 6 BTC there so unless everyones withdraws were blocked at that time, i can't imagine it was any kind of liquidity problem 555546;1394575107;thestringpuller;;;google tony hawk twitter hunt 555547;1394575108;gribble;Tony Hawk Twitter Hunt 2014: <http://www.tonyhawk.com/thth/>; Tony Hawk (tonyhawk) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/tonyhawk>; Tony Hawk wants you to find a prize via Twitter – USATODAY.com: <http://www.usatoday.com/sports/action/story/2012-04-14/tony-hawk-twitter-hunt-to-kick-off/54272918/1> 555548;1394575189;mircea_popescu;Bunnyh unless they have a fractional reserve problem and then they do rolling window withdrawals 555549;1394575195;mircea_popescu;trying to delay everyone a set interval. 555550;1394575239;mircea_popescu;(this is useful for the fractional reserve business not exactly because it improves cash flow, which it does not, but much moire because it allwos it to "see into the future", as it were, ie to know ahead of time what financial resources it will need down the road) 555551;1394575831;dexX7;they don't have one and were audited 555552;1394575861;dexX7;but nevertheless i think they were attacked, the number of reports of spam to bitstamp users is very, very high 555553;1394575914;jurov;http://www.ehackingnews.com/2014/03/bitstamp-hacked-users-are-receiving.html says they admitted it to eleuthria 555554;1394575947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00086656 = 9.8788 BTC [-] 555555;1394576185;Bunnyh;from what i can tell it looks like bitstamp isn't using any spf rules on their domain, wouldn't that block many phishing attempts? 555556;1394576203;mike_c;spf + domainkeys help. 555557;1394576388;kakobrekla;www.coindesk.com/new-york-accepting-applications-digital-currency-exchanges/ 555558;1394576394;kakobrekla;here we go :D 555559;1394576435;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00086401 = 12.7873 BTC [-] {2} 555560;1394576473;dub;to da moon like doge? 555561;1394576499;kakobrekla;like aurora 555562;1394576534;nubbins`;i hope ninjashogun comes back later and pesters us into giving him money 555563;1394576545;kakobrekla;in april we should do an astronaut dresscode or something 555564;1394576555;nubbins`;heh 555565;1394576560;nubbins`;finally, an excuse to wear my spacesuit 555566;1394576698;FabianB;;;bc,stat 555567;1394576700;gribble;Error: "bc,stat" is not a valid command. 555568;1394576700;FabianB;[As 555569;1394576704;FabianB;;;bc,stats 555570;1394576707;gribble;Current Blocks: 290098 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 205 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 3 hours, 57 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4206454280.77 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.24001 555571;1394576753;FabianB;;;calc 3.81572379881463E9/10000.0 555572;1394576754;gribble;Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 555573;1394576792;FabianB;;;calc 4206454280.77/10000.0 555574;1394576793;gribble;420645.428077 555575;1394576811;mircea_popescu;dexX7 audited ? what are you talking about ? 555576;1394576822;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you're late :D 555577;1394576823;dexX7;sec 555578;1394576830;dexX7;www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-audit-proves-behind-147m-mystery-bitcoin-wallet/ 555579;1394576842;dexX7;inb4 ".co domain, not legit" 555580;1394576870;FabianB;!t m X.IDIFF.MAR 555581;1394576870;assbot;[MPEX:X.IDIFF.MAR] 1D: 0.00290837 / 0.00294764 / 0.003 (350 shares, 1.03 BTC), 7D: 0.00290837 / 0.00294764 / 0.003 (350 shares, 1.03 BTC), 30D: 0.00290837 / 0.00294764 / 0.003 (350 shares, 1.03 BTC) 555582;1394576896;kakobrekla;>>Kodrič also projected this process would “raise the bar” for other exchanges to follow suit. 555583;1394576900;mircea_popescu;so coindesk links a pdf published on bitstamp;'s website 555584;1394576906;kakobrekla;careful there, one day he wont be able to reach it. the bar i mean 555585;1394576908;mircea_popescu;i think perhaps you're unfamiliar with what an audit is ? 555586;1394576959;dexX7;well, it would certainly be nice, if it were firestartr.co who hosted the file and even more, if it were gpg signed, that of course 555587;1394576974;mircea_popescu;right. 555588;1394576982;mircea_popescu;and ideally, if it WEREN'T firestarter.co 555589;1394576984;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.0039 = 0.1014 BTC [+] 555590;1394576991;mircea_popescu;but some actual auditor with an actual track record of auditing. 555591;1394577006;kakobrekla;fuck i just found out that bitcoin does indeed pay interests 555592;1394577027;mircea_popescu;random website with a domains by proxy registration and a prepackaged css suite slapped in fails to impress. 555593;1394577031;kakobrekla;you just need to have a large enough wallet and spammer idiots will sends satoshis to your balance along with a blockchain info note 555594;1394577035;dub;no virgins for you 555595;1394577036;kakobrekla;infinite money 555596;1394577038;dub;derka derka 555597;1394577056;mircea_popescu;Registered OnMay 15, 2013 wait even better 555598;1394577085;dexX7;Firestartr's team has been behind €6.7Bn in transactions over the last 20 years; a dozen trade sales and IPOs and started eight companies from scratch covering brands like Skype, Orchestream and Geneva. Our current community of ventures includes names like Rightster, Teleportd, Badoo, Pusher, Fanatix and UC4 Software. 555599;1394577095;mircea_popescu;who ? 555600;1394577105;mircea_popescu;"team". whio ? they have a website which consists of... "we" 555601;1394577124;mircea_popescu;badoo ?! 555602;1394577134;mircea_popescu;what the fuck parallel reality is this. 555603;1394577143;dexX7;huh? 555604;1394577150;mircea_popescu;Badoo is a dating-focused social networking service, founded in 2006, which uses deceptive tactics to attract new users 555605;1394577163;mircea_popescu;a history of fraudulent behaviour, and random cardboard web ventures 555606;1394577168;mircea_popescu;just want you want out of an "auditor" 555607;1394577228;mircea_popescu;and if they list badoo, which is owned and operated by the russian... shall we not call it online fraud division, but merely refer to it as "Андрей Оганджанянц". 555608;1394577242;mircea_popescu;i would like to know why other stuff like spylog or begun aren't listed there 555609;1394577248;mircea_popescu;or w/e, mamba.ru 555610;1394577280;dexX7;so what are you saying? do you doubt that the result of the "audit" is legit and bitstamp is running a fractional reserve? 555611;1394577292;mircea_popescu;i am saying that either the firestartr thing is an outright fraud, 555612;1394577303;mircea_popescu;or else it's a deceptive front for a well known group of grayhats 555613;1394577314;mircea_popescu;to put it mildly. 555614;1394577393;mircea_popescu;anyway, that aside, i appreciate the humour of jess powell signing statements, 555615;1394577408;mircea_popescu;seeing how kraken managed to fuck up deposit addresses creating a mess worth 100s of btc, that they lied about. 555616;1394577426;mircea_popescu;someone should tell cary it's a bad idea to CONTINUE signing in the company of such doofusry. 555617;1394577533;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 56 @ 0.02012201 = 1.1268 BTC [-] {7} 555618;1394577716;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04 = 0.2 BTC [-] 555619;1394577736;nubbins`;kakobrekla: enjoy sochi! 555620;1394577777;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 172 @ 0.0061 = 1.0492 BTC [+] 555621;1394577778;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-] 555622;1394577802;mircea_popescu;dexX7 did all that coalesce into a point for you ? 555623;1394577850;dexX7;sure 555624;1394577856;dexX7;+ 555625;1394577857;dexX7;<dexX7> inb4 ".co domain, not legit" 555626;1394577857;dexX7;:D 555627;1394577871;nubbins`;bit of a long shot, but do any of you guys have casascius coins? 555628;1394577880;dexX7;no :( 555629;1394577886;nubbins`;i'm trying to track down a brass 2011 series-2 555630;1394577889;Duffer1;i ish 555631;1394577894;mircea_popescu;dexX7 ok, let's go through it slower. 555632;1394577897;nubbins`;so fuckin hard to find 555633;1394577898;dexX7;no 555634;1394577902;moiety;ok. i woke up. i have no idea wtf ive been thinking for the past ....months. *new leaf* 555635;1394577926;mircea_popescu;so, bitstamp is this bitcoin exchange. people have been havng their doubts about it for a while. bitstamp came up with this theory whereby it's been audited. 555636;1394577929;nubbins`;people are all hung up on 2011 "error coins" (series-1), oblivious to the fact that the series-2 2011s are so much more rare 555637;1394577942;dexX7;i agree and i expected something such a reaction. you don't need to convince me or something 555638;1394577951;dexX7;-something 555639;1394577953;mircea_popescu;i'd like to lay the thing out so it can be followed. 555640;1394577961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.0059034 = 0.6199 BTC [-] {7} 555641;1394577964;dexX7;well then, why not :) 555642;1394577983;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Is that ninjashogun restaurant guy still asking for money because some mystery man in #dogecoin left him hanging on hit 1337 hardware project 555643;1394577987;mircea_popescu;so, this purported audit is in very poor form, for a myriad of reasons, such as for instance it being published by the audited entity rather than by the auditor. 555644;1394577990;*;BingoBoingo is catching up on logs 555645;1394578019;mircea_popescu;more importantly, the purported auditor does not substantially exist. it consists of a recently registered, domain-by-proxy website, upon which some random copy has been plastered. 555646;1394578021;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-] 555647;1394578031;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: yeah, you tell him that there's no way in hell and that he's wasting his time, and he tries to argue that it's worth his time and it's totally a possibility 555648;1394578039;mircea_popescu;this copy fails the form test, and more importantly makes some claims, which would seem to be false. 555649;1394578076;mircea_popescu;specifically, their claim as to be behind badoo is immediately suspect, seeing how a) badoo is not particularly a respectable venture and b) it is run by a certain group of russian folk, well known to be disreputable. 555650;1394578082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00086353 = 4.3608 BTC [-] 555651;1394578082;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 19 @ 0.01940161 = 0.3686 BTC [-] {3} 555652;1394578091;moiety;BingoBoingo: did he interview everyone via pm, like me? 555653;1394578099;mircea_popescu;also important, that same group of russian folk run a number of other ventures, which are inexplicably absent from the firestartr claims, 555654;1394578100;BingoBoingo;Well, when ButtStamp dies this fall, I reckon people outside the WoT will largely be outside of BTC forever. 555655;1394578112;BingoBoingo;moiety: Indeed he did it seems 555656;1394578114;mircea_popescu;whereas skype, claimed by firestartr, is obviously not theirs to claim. 555657;1394578136;mircea_popescu;these facts allow two constructions : either firestartr is simply lying, and has no relation to badoo any more than it has to skype 555658;1394578143;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.0059 = 0.2242 BTC [-] {3} 555659;1394578146;mircea_popescu;basically some kid just put random names on a website 555660;1394578177;BingoBoingo;http://deadspin.com/marlins-dad-abandons-son-for-ground-rule-double-1541200832 555661;1394578179;mircea_popescu;or else, it is in fact related, and for whatever reason the respective disreputable russian group does not wish to admit to it. so it's more like a front. 555662;1394578204;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-] 555663;1394578213;mircea_popescu;these considerations sink the entire thing, either way. either way they've lied, which means they can't audit. 555664;1394578235;mircea_popescu;make sense now ? 555665;1394578256;dexX7;yes 555666;1394578265;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.601 = 1.202 BTC [-] 555667;1394578268;nubbins`;bingo, lel 555668;1394578274;BingoBoingo;Well, bitcoin. It's hard to tell Buttstamp knew what an audit was, other than having had one seemed like a good thing. 555669;1394578282;BingoBoingo;Then they forget audit is a term of art 555670;1394578295;mircea_popescu;good, cause on re-read the first verion seemed to me to be making little sense if at all. 555671;1394578298;BingoBoingo;And were in no way capable of having an actual audit 555672;1394578326;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09319999 = 0.2796 BTC [-] 555673;1394578416;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well for what it's worth they seem to more or less have moved a bunch of coins in november 555674;1394578425;mircea_popescu;tho i don't seem to find any proper proof, like signatures. 555675;1394578432;mircea_popescu;if anyone wants to help dig that can't hurt. 555676;1394578563;mircea_popescu;http://imgur.com/cpQEV86 holy shit, that's the end of it 555677;1394578567;mircea_popescu;ponzi advertising ? 555678;1394578590;moiety;THATS ^ what i said other day!!! 555679;1394578601;mircea_popescu;so hows your new leaf ? 555680;1394578620;moiety;i'm not sure how to start it i just want it. does that make any sense? 555681;1394578621;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Ponzis buying ads on the forum openly is no new news. 555682;1394578628;mircea_popescu;news to me, sorry 555683;1394578637;mircea_popescu;moiety sure. 555684;1394578647;BingoBoingo;There was a thread in Meta, I'll dig it up 555685;1394578655;mircea_popescu;"Marc Andreessen favorited your Tweets 11h: Reply to @pmarca If your intel dept didn't stink, you'd know all about BitBet. http://bitbet.us/ " 555686;1394578668;mircea_popescu;somebody's getting screamed at today 555687;1394578672;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=472000.0 555688;1394578692;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 75 @ 0.01769606 = 1.3272 BTC [-] {7} 555689;1394578700;moiety;hey i didn't know there was a thread! didn't they take enough crap regarding BFL ads?!?! 555690;1394578702;BingoBoingo;Maybe Marc Andressen needs an Intel department? 555691;1394578716;mircea_popescu;they have one 555692;1394578741;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Maybe they need intel people for their intel department? 555693;1394578748;dexX7;yesterday's reddit frontpage: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zzzq0/ponzicoin_operator_steals_money_investors_get/ 555694;1394578756;dexX7;and a day later: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2023pn/ponzicoin_depositors_get_payed_back_wasnt_a_scam/ 555695;1394578760;dexX7;'nuff said :D 555696;1394578766;mircea_popescu;lmao 555697;1394578774;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo intel is hard. 555698;1394578788;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It is indeed 555699;1394578789;moiety;also BingoBoingo re first comment in ponzi ad thread... theymos doesn't actually have legal responsibility in reality does he? 555700;1394578808;moiety;sounds like gum bumping to me 555701;1394578826;mircea_popescu;moiety it roughly depends where he lives. 555702;1394578827;BingoBoingo;moiety: Well the pirate case might touch on Thermos's responsibility as he said sure Pirate, you can start a thread, allegedly 555703;1394578835;benkay;moiety gum bumping? 555704;1394578842;dexX7;why the fuck should this be "illegal"? 555705;1394578847;dexX7;@ ads 555706;1394578862;BingoBoingo;benkay: It's when you take a bit of coke an touch it to your gums to see if it is coke or not 555707;1394578875;B007;mircea_popescu: your paywall on your blog is lel. and easy to get past 555708;1394578881;dexX7;if "investors" want to play ponzi games, why not? 555709;1394578896;mircea_popescu;dexX7 it's generally illegal to advertise illegal activities in many jurisdictions 555710;1394578904;dexX7;not like anyone made any effort to hide what's the website is about 555711;1394578907;mircea_popescu;which is why you don't see ads for hookers in your favbourite magazine 555712;1394578921;moiety;benkay: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bumping%20his%20gums 555713;1394578940;mircea_popescu;B007 the point isn't really to make it impossible to get past. 555714;1394578960;nubbins`;^ 555715;1394578970;B007;ip based so no effort required 555716;1394578989;nubbins`;the point is to make it annoying enough to make you want to spend the dollar it takes to buy credits ;p 555717;1394579004;B007;new ssh tunnel takes me like 10 secs 555718;1394579022;nubbins`;congrats, where did i leave my gold stars... 555719;1394579027;mircea_popescu;10 secs are, for most people in the civilised world, worth more than the respective satoshis. 555720;1394579046;B007;it'd take far more time to accually pay 555721;1394579052;B007;for me anyway 555722;1394579055;mircea_popescu;you pay for your ips don't you ? 555723;1394579059;B007;nope 555724;1394579069;mircea_popescu;well then you're not in target anyway. 555725;1394579069;nubbins`;free ips 555726;1394579069;B007;well one of them yes 555727;1394579097;B007;and then there is tor 555728;1394579099;nubbins`;i used to be with this ISP and if you connected a switch to your dsl modem, they'd give a public ip to every connected machine 555729;1394579104;nubbins`;for free 555730;1394579107;nubbins`;minor oversight ;p 555731;1394579112;B007;nice 555732;1394579180;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 38 @ 0.00307552 = 0.1169 BTC [-] {2} 555733;1394579186;nubbins`;was nice at the time 555734;1394579193;B007;what ISP? 555735;1394579193;nubbins`;couldn't give any less fucks these days 555736;1394579204;nubbins`;a local subsidiary of bell that you've never heard of 555737;1394579291;nubbins`;this was back before wireless routers were a common thing 555738;1394579447;dexX7;nubbins`> the point is to make it annoying enough to make you want to spend the dollar it takes to buy credits ;p < flip the statement: it's more comfortable to buy than to leech. kinda nice approach btw. 555739;1394579472;nubbins`;nod 555740;1394579546;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1830 @ 0.00017111 = 0.3131 BTC [-] {9} 555741;1394579547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00086341 = 13.9009 BTC [-] {2} 555742;1394579547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0061 = 1.22 BTC [+] {2} 555743;1394579607;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [+] 555744;1394579798;B007;why is it more comfortable to buy than to leech? 555745;1394579814;MAKABEakira;would have ff a lot of wtf if i found trilema 6 months ago instead of last month. btc infospace is a formidable fog of war for newbs 555746;1394579827;mircea_popescu;MAKABEakira this is true. 555747;1394579861;Duffer1;welcome to the club makabe 555748;1394579865;mircea_popescu;kinda why i encourage people to blog and so forth, make good info a little more accessible. 555749;1394579908;mircea_popescu;i mean some people are just deliberately being stupid, but in many more cases people just don't have the info, at all. 555750;1394579925;BingoBoingo;So... Apparently 'Merica is annexing luxembourg? http://www.slate.com/articles/life/food/2014/03/united_steaks_of_america_map_if_each_state_could_have_only_one_meat_what.html 555751;1394579941;MAKABEakira;no lack of content, but quality content has evolved some rather effective parasitic mimics 555752;1394579962;mircea_popescu;aptly put. 555753;1394579963;moiety;mircea_popescu: how to prove a publisher knew something was illegal when they advertised it though? 555754;1394579970;mircea_popescu;MAKABEakira what do you do irl ? 555755;1394579983;MAKABEakira;TV 555756;1394580000;MAKABEakira;mostly watching, sometimes producing 555757;1394580005;mircea_popescu;moiety "should have known", "reasonable person standard", "duty of care" etc etc. the jurisprudence is taller than you, 555758;1394580016;mircea_popescu;cool. 555759;1394580029;mircea_popescu;o wait, you ever read my variety speak article ? 555760;1394580050;MAKABEakira;are you, you irl? 555761;1394580056;dexX7;B007: well i once paid a tiny amount and can enjoy trilema probably for lifetime. that's comfort vs. "need to reset my ip now and then" 555762;1394580063;mircea_popescu;what do you mean am i me me 555763;1394580064;MAKABEakira;i assume so, but. mimcs cc. 555764;1394580069;*;moiety nods - fe 555765;1394580083;MAKABEakira;is your name actually mircea p 555766;1394580088;B007;yes 555767;1394580097;MAKABEakira;i assume so but not sure if you have 'fans' 555768;1394580132;BingoBoingo;MAKABEakira: He's not the Mircea Popescu that does pottery if that is your question 555769;1394580137;mircea_popescu;MAKABEakira a yes, it is. 555770;1394580156;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 298 @ 0.00266378 = 0.7938 BTC [-] {20} 555771;1394580157;MAKABEakira;ah ok.. brb, rl intrudes irl 555772;1394580161;mircea_popescu;it is a reasonably common name, so there's a dozen or so other people by the same name 555773;1394580174;MAKABEakira;and no, haven't had the plesh 555774;1394580186;moiety;aw fuck so no chance of vases in here... bye! 555775;1394580188;BingoBoingo;http://www.absolutearts.com/portfolios/m/mpopescu/artist_exhibitions.html 555776;1394580188;ozbot;Mircea Popescu Exhibition History - Artist Website 555777;1394580244;BingoBoingo;So... Looks like Obama's suit budget might go bust http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/03/11/men_s_wearhouse_to_acquire_jos_a_bank_for_1_8_billion.html 555778;1394580334;moiety;why on earth is that artists exhibitions list not in chronological order? site almost gave me ocd 555779;1394580372;mircea_popescu;by the way, for whoever was wtfing about all the nude shots : 555780;1394580372;mircea_popescu;http://www.phototours-ukraine.com/ 555781;1394580374;ozbot;Phototours-Ukraine - Ukrainian models and photography workshops 555782;1394580378;moiety;oh ignore ^ its hideously labelled instead 555783;1394580389;mircea_popescu;there's actually people who make it their business to organise a "photographic vacation" 555784;1394580433;moiety;they have a whole nude in public section! love it! 555785;1394580461;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 490 @ 0.00378959 = 1.8569 BTC [-] {4} 555786;1394580583;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61 = 1.83 BTC [+] 555787;1394580766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00086308 = 2.3735 BTC [-] {2} 555788;1394580888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00086275 = 17.0825 BTC [-] 555789;1394580949;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 16770 @ 0.0001519 = 2.5474 BTC [-] {13} 555790;1394581006;Duffer1;Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 9h 555791;1394581007;Duffer1;When it comes to markets and finance America is the 'short bus' that is slowing down global growth. 555792;1394581017;Duffer1;how long's it been since he's mentioned his coin... 555793;1394581024;Mats_cd03;http://www.qoinpro.com lol 555794;1394581056;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 he's forgotten all about it. 555795;1394581061;mircea_popescu;(both of em) 555796;1394581077;Duffer1;i doubt the suckers he scammed have forgotten 555797;1394581078;mircea_popescu;guy's target are people with short attention spans and limited memory space. 555798;1394581282;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/443532114802118656 555799;1394581283;ozbot;Twitter / BBoingo: @ArsLaw @cfarivar And bitcoin ... 555800;1394581284;MAKABEakira;human memory is lossy compression 555801;1394581291;MAKABEakira;more limited you got, more loss you get 555802;1394581298;BingoBoingo;MAKABEakira: How lossy depends on the person 555803;1394581316;mircea_popescu;ther'es a space between lossy and lousy. 555804;1394581682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.0039 = 0.2964 BTC [+] 555805;1394581866;MAKABEakira;is barry seibert really going ahead with this. last i heard it was a string of "we hope our partners" this and "if regulation" that, but so far, tumbleweeds 555806;1394581881;BingoBoingo;Who is Barry? 555807;1394581921;MAKABEakira;fred i mean 555808;1394581960;MAKABEakira;nm i shdnt type while on phone. Barry Silbert - SecondMarket 555809;1394582063;BingoBoingo;MAKABEakira: Well going ahead with what? 555810;1394582065;MAKABEakira;yet SM's exchange launch is taken as a foregone conclusion. 555811;1394582119;MAKABEakira;apologies i was under impression this was watercooler talk everywhere. don't shoot 555812;1394582160;Duffer1;you mean are they going ahead with SMs bitcoin exchange? 555813;1394582202;BingoBoingo;MAKABEakira: It is a talk of some kind. Just... when you name nobodies like Barrys and Larrys, you have to mention what they are trying to do. 555814;1394582271;MAKABEakira;Duffer1 yes. silbert put an embargo on all employee trading actvity after Count Goxula started his final bender. has not resumed since afaik 555815;1394582311;Duffer1;if they had traders on gox then i doubt they're fit to run an exchange of their own 555816;1394582340;Duffer1;nobody paying attention for more than a month would have known to not have $$ there 555817;1394582369;MAKABEakira;i am sure there were some. i think it's more of PR 'not it' move 555818;1394582417;BingoBoingo;SecondMarket would have been well advised to avoid Gox and consider http://mpex.co/faq.html#28 555819;1394582461;MAKABEakira;BingoBoingo, agreed :D but i think they are interested in making their own dogfood 555820;1394582462;Duffer1;i expect they'll still try to do an exchange, i have doubts about longevity of the venture though 555821;1394582518;BingoBoingo;MAKABEakira: What I mean is if you want to run something as a "Trust" for patrons, you do indeed need to dogfood it instead of depositing with Gox. 555822;1394582532;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: Speaking of encouraging people to blog more , my latest, mostly a rehashing of asciilifeform on digital security: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/digital-delusions-of-digital-security/ 555823;1394582718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00086258 = 12.5074 BTC [-] {3} 555824;1394582793;dexX7;the plans of the sm exchange go back to at least november. a "ny based exchange" was mentioned several times during the senate hearings and i guess that's no coincidence. also a bitlicense was promoted via the press at that time. 555825;1394582831;mircea_popescu;MAKABEakira well ther'es the bitbet bet... 555826;1394582870;MAKABEakira;dexX7, good catch. i love the way they float the ideas until they coalesce into precipitate. makes the fanclub think that these things 'just appear' somehow 555827;1394582916;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo guy is reasonably well known. at least by btc standards at any rate. 555828;1394582936;mod6;cool summary, bitcoinpete 555829;1394582997;mircea_popescu;what i don't love is how many people need to be hurt into comprehending that they're better off following than trying to lead. 555830;1394583002;mircea_popescu;it's fucking arakis over here. 555831;1394583021;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: thank you :) 555832;1394583021;bitcoinpete;mod6: cheers 555833;1394583032;BingoBoingo;Well since the gox collapse last names with the Si* pattern of spelling are hard to track without pulling the redbook out of its safe place 555834;1394583071;Duffer1;dune reference high five? 555835;1394583175;mircea_popescu;yeah 555836;1394583633;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2394 @ 0.00052297 = 1.252 BTC [-] {14} 555837;1394583686;MAKABEakira;mircea_popescu, i am not up to speed on bitbet. are they buy|sell|trold? 555838;1394583727;mircea_popescu;they're kickass. 555839;1394583766;BingoBoingo;Bitbet is the best bet 555840;1394583773;grubles;mp runs / owns bitbet, correct? 555841;1394583774;MAKABEakira;hmm on there now. grep deadpool section 555842;1394583777;joecool;mircea_popescu: i never can tell if you're serious or trolling most of the time, imma roll with it though 555843;1394583791;mircea_popescu;grubles just half. 555844;1394583804;mircea_popescu;joecool i rarely troll. 555845;1394583820;joecool;how do i know you're not trolling right now? 555846;1394583859;grubles;who owns the other half, if I might ask? 555847;1394583862;joecool;oh well, i respect the mystery 555848;1394583872;joecool;bbl tacos 555849;1394583889;mircea_popescu;grubles kakobrekla 555850;1394583899;mircea_popescu;it's in the contract you know, http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET 555851;1394583928;grubles;didnt know ^_^ 555852;1394583929;MAKABEakira;mircea_popescu, is hreniuc a common surname in RO 555853;1394583959;mircea_popescu;nope 555854;1394583964;mircea_popescu;it's not even ro, sounds armenian 555855;1394584021;MAKABEakira;mircea_popescu, <spock brow> fascinating. 555856;1394584060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00086245 = 18.0252 BTC [-] {2} 555857;1394584068;MAKABEakira;according to all my armenian friends (and in LA, you cannot not have them) they are all the direct issue of the big G himself. 555858;1394584093;mircea_popescu;gingis khan ? 555859;1394584127;mircea_popescu;anyway, since we're discussing bitbet, i dunno if this was ever published, but 555860;1394584127;mircea_popescu;https://blockchain.info/address/1JuSXqRgzkHKAKyyXqqiSnPTUcMweGWHEN 555861;1394584128;ozbot;Bitcoin Address 1JuSXqRgzkHKAKyyXqqiSnPTUcMweGWHEN 555862;1394584151;mircea_popescu;that's the address paying the house bets, refunds, referrals. 555863;1394584158;MAKABEakira;yes none of that blue horde discount mongol crap. 555864;1394584169;dexX7;quick, get a blockchain.info tag 555865;1394584243;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60100103 BTC [-] 555866;1394584246;MAKABEakira;top bet 10k BTC. whats that, only $30/day rise every day till then, to win it. 555867;1394584268;mircea_popescu;no. 555868;1394584276;mircea_popescu;more like 3k a day for a week straight. 555869;1394584380;MAKABEakira;mircea_popescu does the bet stand even w/out gox in the pix 555870;1394584396;mircea_popescu;yea see the mod comment 555871;1394584585;dexX7;snackman still posts comments on bb? :D 555872;1394584597;dexX7;ah no, it was an old one 555873;1394584663;mircea_popescu;nah i imagine he meanwhile got bored 555874;1394584676;mircea_popescu;"forever" at 19 means about three months 555875;1394585009;MAKABEakira;a sub 20 min bet time limit would be useful 555876;1394585059;mircea_popescu;no it wouldn't. 555877;1394585065;MAKABEakira;mircea_popescu, TV 555878;1394585067;mircea_popescu;how the hell do you imagine an admin would get to it. 555879;1394585097;mircea_popescu;but anyway, since we have been doing some auditing on bitbet : the total BTC held in currently published addresses is 1778.18326295. 555880;1394585126;mircea_popescu;the total actual exposure bitbet has to bets (ie, stuff people bet that hasn't been yet resolved) is 414.9x 555881;1394585137;BingoBoingo;MAKABEakira: What sort of TV projects do you have experience working on if you care to answer? 555882;1394585160;mircea_popescu;this means that if you bet 1350 btc or less you are guaranteedly going to be paid out (should you win) with btc that are already held from old bets. 555883;1394585174;MAKABEakira;i am working with a team that produces a nationally syndicated game show on US TV 555884;1394585182;BingoBoingo;Nice 555885;1394585193;mircea_popescu;MAKABEakira so why can't these be week bets like in sane land ? 555886;1394585214;MAKABEakira;mircea_popescu, live TV project needs live TV timeframes 555887;1394585219;BingoBoingo;You can answer this next question or decline it as you wish, but Jeopardy? 555888;1394585243;MAKABEakira;BingoBoingo, no sir. not *that* famous. but a hint. this show knocked wheel of fortune out of several markets 555889;1394585280;MAKABEakira;despite being a very different kind of show 555890;1394585306;mircea_popescu;MAKABEakira can you guarantee minimums ? 555891;1394585313;BingoBoingo;MAKABEakira: Well, honesly this got less interesting when you said game show. Honestly I was hoping you'd say drama, like The Blacklist, Almost Human, Archer, Chozen, or Hannibal 555892;1394585357;MAKABEakira;BingoBoingo, not much you can do in drama with audience interaction, which is what we specilize in. standup project in works though. 555893;1394585393;MAKABEakira;mircea_popescu, we wont do it if we cannot. i didn't even consider this idea till you brought up bitbet, but i like the prospects. 555894;1394585402;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38350 @ 0.0008648 = 33.1651 BTC [+] {3} 555895;1394585406;MAKABEakira;just blue skying atm 555896;1394585420;mircea_popescu;well, consider the business caseas first and foremost. bitbet takes 1% 555897;1394585432;mod6;lol @ Krieger using "crypto currencies" in a recent episode. 555898;1394585433;mircea_popescu;out of that 1% i'll have to justify someone sitting with eyes glued to your thing 555899;1394585447;mircea_popescu;it can be done, if you have the volume to justify it. otherwise, just so it exists generally, it's not gonna happen 555900;1394585465;MAKABEakira;mircea_popescu, we have a prod team who can has assigned a staff for that if it is externalizable 555901;1394585476;MAKABEakira;who can haz a cheeseburger 555902;1394585489;BingoBoingo;MAKABEakira: Well, the thing is... Audience interaction may be good for business but it is shit for art, even barely art art 555903;1394585524;BingoBoingo;mod6: Kenny Loggins was the greater part of that though. 555904;1394585524;MAKABEakira;BingoBoingo, not even pretending we are making art. can't all be freewheeling bitcoin barons alas 555905;1394585535;mod6;BingoBoingo: haha 555906;1394585569;BingoBoingo;MAKABEakira: Why a Baron. Maybe I'm a duke. Maybe I am far less. Perhaps just a footman, or even a much lesser hallboy. 555907;1394585621;BingoBoingo;mod6: I'm actually starting to like it's followup Chozen. Reminds me of Bitcointalk last summer. 555908;1394585646;Duffer1;blood everywhere? 555909;1394585656;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: So much blood 555910;1394585662;mircea_popescu;MAKABEakira in principle it is externalisable, but in practice it's a problematic point, because if you scam the users on my trademark i'll have to kill you. 555911;1394585678;BingoBoingo;^ ! 555912;1394585695;MAKABEakira;mircea_popescu, we are pretty visible, kinda hard to run from the romanian a-team if we burn y'all 555913;1394585705;BingoBoingo;MAKABEakira: See http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/ 555914;1394585716;mircea_popescu;reasonably open to this in principle then. 555915;1394585731;mircea_popescu;do yourself a favour get in the wot today. 555916;1394585737;MAKABEakira;mircea_popescu, i'll update you after i due dilly on this plan a bit. 555917;1394585739;BingoBoingo;MAKABEakira: who says he even hires Romanian. Trilema shows he tries to avoid it as much as possible 555918;1394585747;dexX7;MAKABEakira: what length has an episode of your show? 555919;1394585761;dexX7;because you may need to keep in mind that there are confirmation times 555920;1394585770;MAKABEakira;22 min typically. sometimes we go over. and by sometimes i mean every time 555921;1394585785;mircea_popescu;;;tslb 555922;1394585789;gribble;Time since last block: 19 minutes and 21 seconds 555923;1394585797;mircea_popescu;that kinda killed your idea right there 555924;1394585820;Duffer1;ltc? 555925;1394585823;Duffer1;:P 555926;1394585824;dexX7;:D 555927;1394585838;mircea_popescu;even with ltc. 555928;1394585841;dexX7;i heard dogecoin has a time between blocks of 1 min 555929;1394585842;BingoBoingo;LTC has 20 minute blocks too occasionally 555930;1394585858;BingoBoingo;dexX7: Dogecoin also has an arse full of dicks 555931;1394585858;MAKABEakira;mircea_popescu, wp. i didn't consider that at all 555932;1394585890;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07499922 = 0.375 BTC [+] 555933;1394585916;dexX7;introduce some kind of "bitbet balance/wallet" which you can fund before a show to skip confirmation times 555934;1394585928;mircea_popescu;it could be done. 555935;1394585935;mircea_popescu;but then users would have to "log in" which... gpg ? 555936;1394585957;mike_c;cardanos for signing in :) 555937;1394585958;MAKABEakira;also, disclosure, this would not be for network tv, this is a smaller Bitcoin-land specific project which will be bcast on web only. its a warmup proj to test workable ideas for a later network show 555938;1394585971;mod6;BingoBoingo: I havent seen Chozen yet, its funny though huh? 555939;1394585992;mod6;haha, must be if it reminds you of btctawk. 555940;1394586004;MAKABEakira;mircea_popescu, show staff wd log in on behalf of users most likely 555941;1394586019;BingoBoingo;mod6: It's definitely worth catching at least the pilot on the shady streaming site of your choice 555942;1394586023;Duffer1;never seen it either 555943;1394586053;mod6;BingoBoingo: ok, will check it out then. thx. 555944;1394586068;mircea_popescu;MAKABEakira a better idea would perhaps be to re-structure the program so as to work better with bitcoin's weaknesses. 555945;1394586080;mircea_popescu;more productive, too, in that it builds you a moat. 555946;1394586099;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Less Bitcoin's weaknesses then its necessary inefficiencies 555947;1394586103;mircea_popescu;but be that as it may : get in the wot. 555948;1394586198;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unrelated. little bug in your site. '<<' ends up slicing off any text behind it. 555949;1394586212;MAKABEakira;mircea_popescu, k. good adv. 555950;1394586221;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean in a comment ? 555951;1394586224;asciilifeform;right 555952;1394586247;mircea_popescu;myeah. cleanning up html for mysql has its limits 555953;1394586265;mircea_popescu;you can however use proper <blockquote> syntax ims 555954;1394586274;asciilifeform;ah yes. 555955;1394586279;MAKABEakira;reading WOT> got beefs with gox ppl eh. ne0 lol 555956;1394586307;mircea_popescu;hm ? 555957;1394586398;MAKABEakira;he -10'd you, if i am reading it right. he banned me from mtgox for having the temerity to suggest he might be helping a crime happen 555958;1394586430;mircea_popescu;who, this ? 555959;1394586448;MAKABEakira;ne0futur, gox remote support IRC 555960;1394586484;mircea_popescu;o that guy. 555961;1394586490;mircea_popescu;yeah, scammers tend tro have issues with me 555962;1394586518;dexX7;;;buy 800 btc 555963;1394586519;gribble;(buy [--long] <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a buy order for <amount> units of <thing>, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, (1 more message) 555964;1394586523;dexX7;how does that work?? 555965;1394586534;dexX7;i want to see where we'd end 555966;1394586556;kakobrekla;;;market 555967;1394586556;gribble;Error: "market" is not a valid command. 555968;1394586563;kakobrekla;whatever 555969;1394586580;dexX7;;;market buy 800 555970;1394586581;mircea_popescu;;;asks 800 555971;1394586581;gribble;Bitstamp | A market order to buy 800 bitcoins right now would take 525811.5155 USD and would take the last price up to 660.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 657.2644 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0440 seconds 555972;1394586582;gribble;Bitstamp | There are currently 11017.05 bitcoins offered at or under 800.0 USD, worth 7802457.34039 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.3021 seconds 555973;1394586582;BingoBoingo;;;asks 20000 555974;1394586582;gribble;Bitstamp | There are currently 17296.977 bitcoins offered at or under 20000.0 USD, worth 15399449.7301 USD in total. | Data vintage: 1.6530 seconds 555975;1394586599;kakobrekla;gibbs says 'buy' is not an argument 555976;1394586602;kakobrekla;fuckya. 555977;1394586627;mircea_popescu;noobs 555978;1394586642;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 555979;1394586648;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 648.71, vol: 11355.86477422 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 636.0, vol: 6002.30423 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 648.0, vol: 3599.85123064 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 654.5, vol: 61.92114619 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 625.536, vol: 3119.48700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 660.0, vol: 20.94497584 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 638.8999, vol: 47.68698216 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 555980;1394586673;kakobrekla;;;ticker --buy everything FUKKEN nao i SAID for btc gimmeh price plox 555981;1394586673;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message) 555982;1394586705;moiety;lol 555983;1394586927;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14318 @ 0.0008625 = 12.3493 BTC [-] 555984;1394586988;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.006 = 0.3 BTC [-] 555985;1394587049;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.006 = 0.18 BTC [-] 555986;1394587335;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you live there, do you ? 555987;1394587342;mircea_popescu;is my peeconomy actually happerning ? 555988;1394587354;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.04 = 0.64 BTC [+] 555989;1394587383;asciilifeform;near, about 6km 555990;1394587415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0931998 = 0.2796 BTC [-] 555991;1394587419;asciilifeform;it may or may not be happening. only the 'national seekoority' bureaucrats are theoretically subject to pisstesting. 555992;1394587431;asciilifeform;my understanding is that it is done as a 'random' inspection 555993;1394587436;asciilifeform;on rare occasions. 555994;1394587455;asciilifeform;and is only really an issue for marijuana aficionados 555995;1394587470;BingoBoingo;Shit, It would be less than a 12 Km drive to asciilifeform if I wrote off the necessary distance that happens on US 40 555996;1394587477;asciilifeform;(other traditional drugs have very short half-lives) 555997;1394587478;mircea_popescu;http://www.questdiagnostics.com/home/companies/employer/drug-screening/products-services/urine-test/urine-test-with-quest 555998;1394587478;ozbot;Drug Screening for Employers | Quest Diagnostics : Urine Test with Quest Diagnostics 555999;1394587482;mircea_popescu;i dunno man. seems it's big biz. 556000;1394587492;asciilifeform;bus/train drivers. 556001;1394587515;asciilifeform;some 'prole' work (restaurants, etc.) that were conned into paying for it 556002;1394587518;mircea_popescu;and cab drivers, and pizza delivery boyz 556003;1394587523;asciilifeform;correct. 556004;1394587528;mircea_popescu;and apparently oodlebunches of people. 556005;1394587535;asciilifeform;bureaucrats account for a small fraction, as i understand. 556006;1394587540;asciilifeform;(of the piss) 556007;1394587546;mircea_popescu;do or used to ? 556008;1394587553;asciilifeform;do, presently. 556009;1394587571;mircea_popescu;aha 556010;1394587590;asciilifeform;it isn't unheard of - a shop not far from where i live actually sells... false piss. 556011;1394587599;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0038998 = 0.39 BTC [+] 556012;1394587612;asciilifeform;and a contrivance for transporting and releasing it. 556013;1394587648;benkay;most american desk jockies as well, especially if your desk is attached to a manufacturing operation. 556014;1394587660;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83500 @ 0.00086234 = 72.0054 BTC [-] {3} 556015;1394587673;benkay;gotta keep risk down on insuring those line operators, and can't sow dissent in the ranks by testing the operators and not the engineers. 556016;1394587695;benkay;net result: test everyone. randomly. 556017;1394587720;mircea_popescu;lmao 556018;1394587722;benkay;this, as one might expect, is just another tool to control the cattle in america. 556019;1394587735;benkay;the testing is not random, it rarely even appears that way. 556020;1394587785;asciilifeform;chum of mine worked at a military lab where they occasionally tested people (oddly enough, the one where i worked - never. other than enlisted men) and noted that there was usually warning. 556021;1394587786;benkay;if insurance companies insist on tests actually happening, managers are discreetly dispatched to discover who the safe testing targets are. 556022;1394587796;asciilifeform;a few days warning suffices for everyone save the potsmokers. 556023;1394587828;benkay;senior management generally being reluctant to sacrifice the potsmokers, you see. 556024;1394587862;benkay;the really funny part of the whole charade? 556025;1394587869;benkay;the post-incident piss test. 556026;1394587873;mircea_popescu;that a romanian is sitting here laughing his ass off ? 556027;1394587890;benkay;"did you smoke pot in the last thirty days? oop - insurance doesn't cover that. guess you're out an arm!" 556028;1394587913;MAKABEakira;next time i have to do a UA (which is never) I should stock up on some methylene blue beforehand 556029;1394587943;BingoBoingo;MAKABEakira: Well, depends on how much you like your liver 556030;1394587943;benkay;it's the kind of hilariously fucked up situations you get under communism i guess 556031;1394587992;MAKABEakira;BingoBoingo, we're just acquaintances so i'm ok with some light hearted abuse at liver's expense 556032;1394588032;MAKABEakira;he can filter it out 556033;1394588086;asciilifeform;all i can tell from my perch - somebody must be buying those false bladders and their refills. 556034;1394588114;MAKABEakira;the romans had a peeconomy for realz 556035;1394588129;asciilifeform;by tradition, one is expected to actually piss in the company of a witness 556036;1394588147;asciilifeform;but i do not know whether this tradition is 'honoured in the breach' 556037;1394588291;asciilifeform;i imagine the pisstest is a massive boondoggle for folks selling GC/MS gear. 556038;1394588294;mircea_popescu;benkay exactly. 556039;1394588323;mircea_popescu;MAKABEakira that is true. 556040;1394588340;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform except men can't piss in the company of womenz generally speaking 556041;1394588342;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, when every positive needs confirmed 556042;1394588344;MAKABEakira;mircea_popescu, experian will have a whole new report to sell 556043;1394588346;mircea_popescu;and it'd be sexist to enforce genders 556044;1394588352;asciilifeform;everybody gets the correct witness, it is said. 556045;1394588368;asciilifeform;this (and airport arsesearch) is more or less the only place where it is permitted. 556046;1394588405;mircea_popescu;aww 556047;1394588410;mircea_popescu;unfare. 556048;1394588443;asciilifeform;caveat - i've never seen this ritual alive, personally. 556049;1394588463;asciilifeform;always seems to be happening to some other fellow. 556050;1394588473;*;mircea_popescu regrets that his peeing article is in romanian 556051;1394588478;BingoBoingo;From stories it seems most of the enlisted drug tests now happen as an absorbent patch that collects sweat. 556052;1394588491;benkay;american white-collar folk are generally sent to the hospital, where the peeing happens in a luxurious room, in private. 556053;1394588508;benkay;^^ again with the absurdities. 556054;1394588523;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: link? 556055;1394588532;mircea_popescu;;;google moment de intimitate-n baie 556056;1394588533;gribble;LA PERLA CLASSIC... Intimate and seductive... right on the ... - FlipKey: <http://www.flipkey.com/baie-rouge-vacation-rentals/p282190/>; Coolest places to propose in the Caribbean - USA Today: <http://www.usatoday.com/experience/caribbean/best-of-caribbean/coolest-places-to-propose-in-the-caribbean/5293329/>; Grand Baie Bay - Holiday Lettings: (1 more message) 556057;1394588537;mircea_popescu;aww 556058;1394588549;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/moment-de-intimitate-n-baie/ 556059;1394588550;ozbot;Moment de intimitate-n baie pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 556060;1394588659;BingoBoingo;Once I finish my write up on baseball betting I might give translating it a shot. 556061;1394588810;dignork;mircea_popescu: я русский бы выучил только за то, что им разговаривал Ленин. :( 556062;1394588821;asciilifeform;lol! 556063;1394588830;asciilifeform;i think i threw this one in here at one point! 556064;1394588831;mircea_popescu;lmao 556065;1394589078;BingoBoingo;;;ident BingoBoingo 556066;1394589078;gribble;Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None 556067;1394589672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3019 @ 0.0008651 = 2.6117 BTC [+] 556068;1394589697;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bie_--PCAAEsqAh.jpg << smog. 556069;1394589757;BingoBoingo;Has anyone here ever shipped an oil painting before? 556070;1394589874;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://www.reddotblog.com/wordpress/index.php/how-to-ship-paintings-a-step-by-step-guide-for-artists-and-galleries/ 556071;1394589878;mircea_popescu;guy knows his shit 556072;1394590018;BingoBoingo;Thanks. I've got a piece to sell, because fucking Dreamhost emailed me that the hosting's renewal is coming up soon. 556073;1394590343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.0008651 = 4.9311 BTC [+] 556074;1394590403;MAKABEakira;BingoBoingo, jush needs the money 556075;1394590406;MAKABEakira;josh 556076;1394590831;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 347 @ 0.00590045 = 2.0475 BTC [-] {4} 556077;1394590953;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 255 @ 0.003789 = 0.9662 BTC [-] {2} 556078;1394591075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14421 @ 0.00086496 = 12.4736 BTC [-] {2} 556079;1394591136;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60100002 BTC [-] 556080;1394591192;Duffer1;https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/4414-monarch-information-2.html#post77863 556081;1394591202;Duffer1;tldr late april 556082;1394591218;moiety;year? 556083;1394591223;Duffer1;hehe 556084;1394591267;Duffer1;"deployed 5 weeks from now" so probably september ish 556085;1394592200;MisterE;they have missed so many deliveries and are being sued by a bunch of people 556086;1394592200;MisterE;fuckem 556087;1394592237;Chris_Sabian_;does anyone know what is going on with AM? 181 from last week and only 31 coins this week... 556088;1394592481;the20year2;Closed on property #3 today, sellers did transfer us remaining rents + original deposits 556089;1394592509;nubbins`;congrats 556090;1394592570;the20year2;Current income of $1050/mo with 2 of 3 units occupied, next unit will add $400 once we get it rehabbed 556091;1394592619;Chris_Sabian_;Is that the Rental Company in Ohio? 556092;1394592652;the20year2;Yes 556093;1394592843;Chris_Sabian_;The level of communication from 'Branny' is excellent. Sad to say that it is a rarity in bitcoinland 556094;1394592860;mike_c;One of the ironies of the stock market is the emphasis on activity. Brokers, using terms such as "marketability" and "liquidity", sing the praises of companies with high share turnover (those who cannot fill your pocket will confidently fill your ear). But investors should understand that what is good for the croupier is not good for the customer. A hyperactive stock market is the 556095;1394592860;mike_c;pickpocket of enterprise. 556096;1394592878;mike_c;the oracle of omaha speaks. 556097;1394592966;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 9 @ 0.04300258 = 0.387 BTC [-] {3} 556098;1394593088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22659 @ 0.0008651 = 19.6023 BTC [+] 556099;1394593132;the20year2;I try to keep everyone updated. The video logs and the audited finaicial reports I think will put us over the top in terms of quality of transparency 556100;1394593196;the20year2;The video logs for properties #4 and #5 make me excited, since they're both big rehab jobs and I do believe they'll come out good. I've got part of the #4 video edited and voice-overed. My plan is to break up the voice-over version between properties so I can get feedback on what people like 556101;1394593205;the20year2;Really don't want to go with the overly-dramatic HGTV videos 556102;1394593210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.0008651 = 12.8467 BTC [+] 556103;1394593420;Chris_Sabian_;so did you raise all of the ~$1 million? 556104;1394593819;the20year2;No , to reach #1m we'd need to do all 4 rounds, we just finished #1 556105;1394593829;the20year2;Round #1 had 78k shares, 2-4 have 50k/ea 556106;1394593868;Chris_Sabian_;got it, when it round 2? 556107;1394594010;the20year2;I'd say 30 days from now 556108;1394594026;Chris_Sabian_;what is the share price? 556109;1394594031;the20year2;It does take a little while to buy & rehab properties, so the capital doesn't get utilized immediately 556110;1394594033;Chris_Sabian_;for the next round? 556111;1394594040;the20year2;it's around .006btc/share or so 556112;1394594055;the20year2;It depends on what the median price is leading up to the 30 day period 556113;1394594072;Chris_Sabian_;good call 556114;1394594164;Chris_Sabian_;i may pick up some then 556115;1394594228;Chris_Sabian_;what make you persue the bitcoin option instead of traditional investors? 556116;1394594491;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.62226908 = 6.845 BTC [+] {6} 556117;1394594496;the20year2;too costly to do it with traditional investors, with bitcoin the startup cost was almost nothing 556118;1394594613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.63494539 = 13.9688 BTC [+] {4} 556119;1394594683;Chris_Sabian_;i'll see how the next 30 days or so go. i may throw 5 btc at rental and see what happens 556120;1394594741;the20year2;Cool 556121;1394594758;the20year2;Hopefully we can get to, or close to full utilization of capital by the time 30 days is up 556122;1394594758;thestringpuller;nubbins` here? 556123;1394594767;the20year2;We've utilized, or have in contract about 50% of the given capital 556124;1394594813;Chris_Sabian_;btc prices are low right now, i would hold off selling for $$ until the gox crap is over 556125;1394594857;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.006 = 0.12 BTC [+] 556126;1394594885;Chris_Sabian_;2014 will either make or break bitcoin. gox, regulations, tax, government interest, huge boost of awarness, it will be interesting to see 556127;1394594918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0911 = 0.3644 BTC [-] {2} 556128;1394594919;thestringpuller;;;ticker 556129;1394594921;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 642.01, Best ask: 643.94, Bid-ask spread: 1.93000, Last trade: 643.97, 24 hour volume: 13390.95777424, 24 hour low: 614.17, 24 hour high: 656.95, 24 hour vwap: 634.354614252 556130;1394594925;the20year2;I agree, however it's one of those things, if we can reach a position where leverage is open, btc pricing will largely be irrelevant because we'll just be playing arbitrage on the variations in interest/property ields 556131;1394594979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 194 @ 0.00615999 = 1.195 BTC [+] {3} 556132;1394595054;Chris_Sabian_;i don't follow 556133;1394595088;the20year2;BTC price would have to exceed $2500 by mid 2014 if we levered in the next 6 months 556134;1394595093;the20year2;in order for it to be worth it 556135;1394595099;the20year2;err mid 2015 556136;1394595127;the20year2;It comes down to waiting for BTC price increase, or increase NAV of properties by 30%, 40%, 50% in a few months 556137;1394595167;the20year2;The second option will be much better, especially if we successfully start offering seller financing on properties, as we're trying to do with property #4 556138;1394595298;the20year2;It'll start making more sense in a month or two once we get these properties done, and secure at least one seller financed deal 556139;1394595322;Chris_Sabian_;so the renter is renting to own? 556140;1394595329;the20year2;Yes, with a substantial down payment 556141;1394595361;the20year2;Of which, much would flow back to investors/shareholders because they're paying a down payment on the repaired value, not what we have in it 556142;1394595383;the20year2;Property #1 was $62k>$115k , #2 was $33.5k > $55k , I expect #4 to be $37.5k>$80k 556143;1394595420;Chris_Sabian_;so we buy crappy property, put some money into it, and hopefully flip it? 556144;1394595464;Chris_Sabian_;but if bitcoin price > NAV property then share price should go down 556145;1394595464;the20year2;It's a hybrid flip , it's the 'get cake and eat it too' strategy 556146;1394595483;the20year2;Correct, however you're gonna have to see major jumps in btc prices to compete with the NAV growth 556147;1394595561;Chris_Sabian_;september to december was ~ 1000%, december to now was down ~50%, september to now ~550%. 556148;1394595568;the20year2;With the scenario of #4, we'd still be eligible for financing on it, which means the new rent-to-owner has paid us anywhere from $5k-$8k in a non-refundable down payment, plus monthly payments of $500-$600 per month. We still are eligible for financing it from a bank (A cashout) and could also get another $60k from the property 556149;1394595621;the20year2;So, in that scenario we clear still $100-$150 a month in income off the property, still collect appreciation if the rent-to-owner decides they don't want it anymore (Which is the most likely scenario), AND have $65k-$68k back in our pockets 556150;1394595630;the20year2;So, we've built asset value, cashflow, and have money in our pockets 556151;1394595634;Chris_Sabian_;and hopefully the renters treat the property well 556152;1394595676;the20year2;Correct, and you're still allowed to require them to upkeep the property or face default on the loan/rent-to-own 556153;1394595692;the20year2;The quality level of people that have substantial downpayment is much higher than your $0 down types 556154;1394595771;Chris_Sabian_;makes sense, $0 means the people have no incentive to make sure the property is kept up 556155;1394595772;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 310 @ 0.0063 = 1.953 BTC [+] 556156;1394595775;Chris_Sabian_;nothing to lose 556157;1394595924;the20year2;Correct, and after 3-4 years, the renters are looking at up to $10k in loss from their damage 556158;1394595955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00086411 = 13.8258 BTC [-] 556159;1394595960;Chris_Sabian_;i would assume that you have some kind of background, fiance or history check with renters before you rentent? 556160;1394595964;the20year2;oh yeah 556161;1394595979;the20year2;Social media check, employment check, friend check 556162;1394596020;the20year2;It's proven that you're the sum of the people you hang around. Facebook makes it pretty easy to figure out if your renter is just a redneck, or a druggie 556163;1394596034;Chris_Sabian_;So if a property is 30k and needs work, why cant a renter just put the 5-6k down with bank loand instead of going through you? 556164;1394596043;Chris_Sabian_;and paying 50k? 556165;1394596060;Mats_cd03;interest and leverage 556166;1394596070;the20year2;Bank won't ever lend to them 556167;1394596096;kakobrekla;not enough fb friends for a bank? 556168;1394596106;the20year2;Anymore , banks refuse to lend to people who want a property that needs work. From 2004-now one of the highest default categories is wanabe investors/DIYers who buy a house, screw up the rehab and cost the bank money 556169;1394596142;the20year2;That's why I did the stock offering instead of just going to a local bank and asking for a loan. The bank wants to see properties in good shape with 3-6mo of cashflow before they'll lend 556170;1394596163;the20year2;for a owner occupant, they don't want to lend on a property that might have $5k in repairs, or $15k 556171;1394596184;Chris_Sabian_;and we trust that you can do that. I trust that you can do that.... 556172;1394596192;the20year2;I don't know how many foreclosed houses I've been in that were 2nd time foreclosures in a 3-5 year period where the buyer had bought a foreclosure in the hopes of doing it themselves, then never completing repairs 556173;1394596198;the20year2;Pretty much :) 556174;1394596300;Chris_Sabian_;what is a typical comission for a realtor when selling? 556175;1394596336;the20year2;5% to 6% 556176;1394596363;the20year2;If I have control what I do is usually 2% to the listing agent and then 3% + $2500 for the selling/buyer's agent 556177;1394596509;Chris_Sabian_;so both agents 'win' 556178;1394596519;the20year2;Sort of 556179;1394596542;the20year2;almost all brokerages in the US have clauses that if the selling agent comission goes above the 'area norm' , the remainder passes through to the agent directly 556180;1394596557;the20year2;And for most new agents, the cut is 50/50 , so they only get half of the 3% 556181;1394596577;the20year2;So, with say a $100k property @ 3% selling agent comission they're gonna get $1500, with the $2500 bonus they end up getting $4k 556182;1394596615;the20year2;Compared to say offering just 4% to the seller's agent, which would result in just $2k to them 556183;1394596628;Chris_Sabian_;and thay money comes from the seller? 556184;1394596644;the20year2;yes 556185;1394596660;the20year2;But , for every dollar you spend on marketing/fees, you typically get 2x or 3x back 556186;1394596673;Chris_Sabian_;higher selling price? 556187;1394596691;the20year2;When I got into real estate, i didn't believe the statistic they told agents. So, I individually tracked dozens of properties in my area that were listed without realtors, vs those listed with them 556188;1394596693;the20year2;Yes 556189;1394596723;Chris_Sabian_;is it true then? 556190;1394596727;the20year2;There was one subdivision close to me where every single house was a cookie cutter design , and the FSBOs averaged $97k , agent listings averaged $116k or so 556191;1394596779;the20year2;Sales price, not asking price. FSBOs were around 140 days on market, agent listed ones were around 100 too 556192;1394596800;Chris_Sabian_;marketing... 556193;1394596929;ThickAsThieves;[22:54] <mike_c> A hyperactive stock market is the pickpocket of enterprise. /// hadnt read that one, i like it. 556194;1394597114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40899 @ 0.00086239 = 35.2709 BTC [-] 556195;1394597810;Chris_Sabian_;TAT - any chance you will restart XBOND? 556196;1394597846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19169 @ 0.00086575 = 16.5956 BTC [+] {4} 556197;1394597907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14431 @ 0.0008668 = 12.5088 BTC [+] 556198;1394597947;thestringpuller;XBOND is gone forever 556199;1394598700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0911 = 0.1822 BTC [-] 556200;1394598761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00086285 = 18.163 BTC [-] 556201;1394599859;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29947 @ 0.00086429 = 25.8829 BTC [+] {2} 556202;1394601079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00086666 = 18.8065 BTC [+] {2} 556203;1394603031;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.638 = 1.914 BTC [+] 556204;1394603988;ThickAsThieves;Chris_Sabian_:TAT - any chance you will restart XBOND? // No chance whatsoever 556205;1394604007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22250 @ 0.00086239 = 19.1882 BTC [-] 556206;1394604556;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51700 @ 0.00086399 = 44.6683 BTC [+] {2} 556207;1394604617;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10990 @ 0.00086688 = 9.527 BTC [+] {2} 556208;1394604983;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.0038998 = 0.1443 BTC [+] 556209;1394605044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00389999 = 0.3471 BTC [+] 556210;1394605105;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.0039 = 0.2574 BTC [+] 556211;1394606142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00086663 = 29.5521 BTC [-] {3} 556212;1394608033;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84000 @ 0.00086181 = 72.392 BTC [-] {5} 556213;1394608704;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00631999 = 0.3792 BTC [+] {3} 556214;1394608766;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.08710926 = 0.9582 BTC [-] {10} 556215;1394608826;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00631999 = 0.1517 BTC [+] 556216;1394608887;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.04120831 = 0.989 BTC [+] {14} 556217;1394609131;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00017016 = 1.021 BTC [+] {11} 556218;1394609192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1129 @ 0.0001711 = 0.1932 BTC [+] {4} 556219;1394609376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25785 @ 0.00086583 = 22.3254 BTC [+] {3} 556220;1394609497;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.07 = 4.2 BTC [-] 556221;1394610534;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12154 @ 0.00086117 = 10.4667 BTC [-] 556222;1394611693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00086655 = 14.2981 BTC [+] 556223;1394612974;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 90 @ 0.60187243 = 54.1685 BTC [-] {12} 556224;1394613279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.00389988 = 0.1053 BTC [-] 556225;1394613462;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.00389988 = 0.2847 BTC [-] 556226;1394613463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00087057 = 44.312 BTC [+] {5} 556227;1394613767;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00086655 = 15.3813 BTC [-] 556228;1394614377;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12812 @ 0.00086655 = 11.1022 BTC [-] 556229;1394614743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.07 = 2.24 BTC [+] {2} 556230;1394614804;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.08451 = 0.4226 BTC [-] {3} 556231;1394614805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042125 = 0.1685 BTC [+] {3} 556232;1394614865;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+] 556233;1394615170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3338 @ 0.00086655 = 2.8925 BTC [-] 556234;1394616146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.0008608 = 8.4358 BTC [-] {2} 556235;1394617122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9445 @ 0.00085992 = 8.1219 BTC [-] 556236;1394617305;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00389975 = 0.9749 BTC [+] 556237;1394617366;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+] 556238;1394618850;MisterE;LTC on Huboi get in on the pump 556239;1394618863;MisterE;https://www.huobi.com/topic/index.php?a=ltcshangxian 556240;1394618891;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00572647 = 0.5726 BTC [-] {6} 556241;1394619013;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 155 @ 0.00600585 = 0.9309 BTC [-] {8} 556242;1394619353;cazalla;pass 556243;1394619396;cazalla;litecoin is like the kid who said his $2 shop game of brick is the same as tetris on a gameboy (bitcoin) 556244;1394621453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54700 @ 0.00085979 = 47.0305 BTC [-] {2} 556245;1394622330;Mats_cd03;yeah really 556246;1394622368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00085997 = 13.3295 BTC [+] 556247;1394622490;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08428 = 0.1686 BTC [-] {2} 556248;1394622734;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 296 @ 0.00056897 = 0.1684 BTC [+] {4} 556249;1394622917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00085997 = 14.4905 BTC [+] 556250;1394623222;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00086162 = 12.8812 BTC [+] 556251;1394623466;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12050 @ 0.0001469 = 1.7701 BTC [-] {20} 556252;1394623799;Neil;;;bc.stats 556253;1394623799;gribble;Error: "bc.stats" is not a valid command. 556254;1394623865;Neil;;;bc,stats 556255;1394623868;gribble;Current Blocks: 290189 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 114 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 11 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4219760456.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.58873 556256;1394624146;cazalla;didn't think it would stay under 10% 556257;1394624614;Neil;Doesn't need much of a pause to get there 556258;1394624655;cazalla;it'll be a close one re: the under 10% bet 556259;1394624716;Neil;Close ones like that can make a killing for bitbet 556260;1394624733;Neil;That was my bet I think 556261;1394624991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00086455 = 16.4697 BTC [+] {2} 556262;1394625075;Neil;;;bc,stats 556263;1394625078;gribble;Current Blocks: 290190 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 113 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 32 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4214894904.81 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.46122 556264;1394625137;cazalla;are you betting no? 556265;1394625276;Neil;I think block 290303 needs to have a timestamp of 13/03/2014 05:57:02 or laster. But not certain. 556266;1394625298;Neil;later 556267;1394625314;Neil;Well I had the initial bet. Not bet since then... but it'd be a nice win if it happens 556268;1394625331;Neil;Got another chance in 2 weeks even if this misses 556269;1394625434;cazalla;hope not, i'm betting yes for http://bitbet.us/bet/705/btc-difficulty-to-increase-by-more-than-30/ 556270;1394625478;cazalla;10% this cycle is a bit of a lull, fingers crossed for 30%+ next 556271;1394625539;Neil;cazalla: Yeah I think that's not gonna happen 556272;1394625558;Neil;The amount of hardware to come online to get 30% increases every 10 days is just nuts 556273;1394625563;cazalla;i love the long shots :) 556274;1394625589;Neil;Yeah they sometimes pay off spectacularly. I blew up on the MtGox $150 1March; if he'd only hung on another 4 days... 556275;1394625635;cazalla;won on that and gox closing 556276;1394625660;Neil;Gox closing was one of my bets too; I got that one right :) Just a bit too early... 556277;1394625698;cazalla;why would you bet gox above 150 then? 556278;1394625700;Neil;Well 25 mins between blocks is feeling good at the moment :) 556279;1394625709;cazalla;seemed both went hand in hand, at least to me 556280;1394625721;Neil;cazalla: Never thought they'd go before Mar 1st. Also bets were from last year 556281;1394625735;Neil;I viewed it more as a BTC bet, y'know. 556282;1394625745;Neil;It only became a gox bet in the last 2 weeks 556283;1394625775;cazalla;i bailed on them after the 5m confiscation 556284;1394625800;cazalla;if it was obvious to me at that point, i don't doubt smarter people bailed long before that 556285;1394625803;Neil;I had nothing there; know many who did though. And ID etc. 556286;1394625843;Neil;;;bc,stats 556287;1394625844;cazalla;I am worried about ID, I cancelled/deleted my account which after 90 days they said they purge details but I fucking doubt it 556288;1394625846;gribble;Current Blocks: 290192 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 111 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 14 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4213254524.19 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.41823 556289;1394625862;Neil;I doubt they deleted anything 556290;1394625873;cazalla;I think you are right 556291;1394625884;Neil;Some of my old transactions could be found on that web page that was put up, but some weren't there either. Very odd. 556292;1394625936;Neil;Karpeles seems to have been a complete fuckwit who just didn't take anything seriously; least of all other people's money. Assuming there wasn't fraud. 556293;1394626277;btcinmypocket;Neil: Well, that data was provided by someone(s) who had the lack of ethics to include bitcoin stealing trojans in with the publication, so I don't doubt you have finding problem with the records. I would expect that they would mess with a bit if there is incentive. 556294;1394626397;Neil;I'm definitely in the top 3 bettors on bitbet; wouldn't be surprised if #1 by amt of BTC bet. Scary. 556295;1394626496;Neil;Confirmed total: 12,479 BTC on bitbet's site. I'm well over 5% of that. 556296;1394626520;cazalla;what's your track record like 556297;1394626548;cazalla;did you bet on kuka? (how disappointing) 556298;1394626583;Neil;Was doing very well until Gox 1Mar and the (inconsistent IMO) decision that was made on SDICE (where market cap was zero but share price was above XX). But whatever. Still above water, but only just. 556299;1394626620;Neil;Lots of small wins; 2 big losses. 556300;1394626692;kakobrekla;i think the biggest roller is 10% 556301;1394626714;Neil;Single address? 556302;1394626717;Neil;I lowballed :) 556303;1394626719;kakobrekla;correct 556304;1394626736;Neil;My history is over 10% 556305;1394626744;Neil;But I don't use 1 address 556306;1394626762;kakobrekla;i should buy you a drink then! 556307;1394626775;Neil;Wouldn't say no if we happen to meet one day :) 556308;1394627058;cazalla;speaking of drink 556309;1394627088;cazalla;i learned that i shouldn't try to chug champagne from the bottle 556310;1394627123;cazalla;blow fish face but i was desperate to drink, nothing in the house but this crap 556311;1394627155;cazalla;if i was sober, i'd shut up and read more logs 556312;1394627160;cazalla;but loose lips sink ships 556313;1394627230;cazalla;i can't remember the article but it mentioned idiots who happened across bitcoin and made some money 556314;1394627237;cazalla;that'd be me lol 556315;1394627366;Neil;Well if it hits $5k I'm retiring. 556316;1394627382;Neil;;;bc,stats 556317;1394627395;gribble;Current Blocks: 290195 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 108 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 15 hours, 48 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 556318;1394627402;cazalla;likewise 556319;1394627403;Neil;Wooh! A winner 556320;1394627455;cazalla;5k would allow me to buy a nice acreage, lambo but more importantly, fuck some of the wifes friends with insane display of wealth 556321;1394627491;cazalla;i could fuck them now but she'd leave me 556322;1394627531;cazalla;or maybe she will leave me later and like most fools, easy come, easy go 556323;1394627538;Neil;If it gets to $5k I imagine it'd be possible to spend most places; no need for fiat any more. Certainly given a year or two at that level. 556324;1394627566;Neil;Look forward to Yellen justifying her Ponzi 556325;1394629383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44373 @ 0.00085906 = 38.1191 BTC [-] {3} 556326;1394629688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00085805 = 17.5471 BTC [-] 556327;1394630217;C01DA51CE;morning gents 556328;1394630231;kakobrekla;hi 556329;1394630241;C01DA51CE;what kind of name is 556330;1394630243;C01DA51CE;kakobrekla 556331;1394630278;kakobrekla;the honest kind 556332;1394630328;C01DA51CE;i see. 556333;1394630340;C01DA51CE;my names the cool kind 556334;1394630345;C01DA51CE;im 1337 hax0rer 556335;1394630358;cazalla;cool as in zerocool? 556336;1394630359;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 42 @ 0.00267704 = 0.1124 BTC [-] {6} 556337;1394630362;C01DA51CE;yeah 556338;1394630365;C01DA51CE;im hacking the gibson 556339;1394630366;C01DA51CE;as we speak 556340;1394630374;cazalla;find that bitcoin the garbage file? 556341;1394630379;cazalla;in* 556342;1394630387;C01DA51CE;i found some dirty porn 556343;1394630400;C01DA51CE;i think it was of kakobreklas sister 556344;1394630410;C01DA51CE;or his dog 556345;1394630412;C01DA51CE;hard to tell the two apart. 556346;1394630425;kakobrekla;i dont have either so you must be stoned. 556347;1394630435;C01DA51CE;yes. 556348;1394630464;C01DA51CE;what do you think of the bitcoinshop.us 556349;1394630466;C01DA51CE;the next amazon? 556350;1394630474;cazalla;oh for sure 556351;1394630479;kakobrekla;i thought you gonna carry on with the insults 556352;1394630479;cazalla;*snicker* 556353;1394630481;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1121 @ 0.00015001 = 0.1682 BTC [-] {5} 556354;1394630494;C01DA51CE;no im done ;p 556355;1394630497;C01DA51CE;on to my next target. 556356;1394630502;kakobrekla;I AM DISAPPOINT 556357;1394630507;C01DA51CE;;( 556358;1394630509;C01DA51CE;I are try again soon 556359;1394630542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00389975 = 0.39 BTC [-] 556360;1394630567;cazalla;imagine taking a haircut from the cypriot government 556361;1394630576;cazalla;and then NEOBEO comes and takes the remaining 90% 556362;1394630600;C01DA51CE;i have no idea 556363;1394630601;C01DA51CE;what you just said. 556364;1394630618;cazalla;yeah, i am drunk and really should go to bed 556365;1394630628;C01DA51CE;what time is it there? 556366;1394630634;cazalla;channel is so quiet during my nights 556367;1394630636;cazalla;12:30am 556368;1394630657;KRS1;time zone? 556369;1394630663;cazalla;+10 556370;1394630676;cazalla;down under 556371;1394630682;C01DA51CE;hrm 556372;1394630687;C01DA51CE;why do they call NZ 556373;1394630688;C01DA51CE;kiwis? 556374;1394630692;KRS1;i am +5 and after midnight bitcoin chans here are dead 556375;1394630699;cazalla;NZ is down under as well 556376;1394630708;C01DA51CE;do they grow lots of kiwis there? 556377;1394630718;cazalla;the fruit or the bird? 556378;1394630721;KRS1;yes i dont like them 556379;1394630734;C01DA51CE;how dont you like kiwis 556380;1394630739;KRS1;too tart 556381;1394630739;cazalla;kiwi fruit or the bird? 556382;1394630741;C01DA51CE;have you ever had one fresh off the vine? 556383;1394630743;cazalla;ok the fruit 556384;1394630743;KRS1;fruit 556385;1394630745;cazalla;kiwis are yum 556386;1394630752;KRS1;only from the store 556387;1394630756;cazalla;the fruit has nothing to do with NZ btw 556388;1394630758;C01DA51CE;store kiwis suck u have to have a back yard kiwi 556389;1394630763;C01DA51CE;yeah its the country bird 556390;1394630771;C01DA51CE;im aware ;p 556391;1394630793;KRS1;ill have to remember that..but they also have hair on them as if the hairs are whiskers from a 3 day shaven sailor. 556392;1394630801;cazalla;you can eat the skin and all 556393;1394630803;cazalla;good stuff 556394;1394630807;C01DA51CE;yeah i wouldnt eat the skin but 556395;1394630809;C01DA51CE;id peel that 556396;1394630813;cazalla;no, eat it 556397;1394630817;C01DA51CE;unless you like munching on 556398;1394630819;C01DA51CE;a harry beavy 556399;1394630820;C01DA51CE;beaver 556400;1394630825;KRS1;yesss 556401;1394630825;C01DA51CE;which some may enjoy. 556402;1394630854;cazalla;same deal as mangoes 556403;1394630858;cazalla;the skin is the best part 556404;1394630870;KRS1;i dont like the mango skin..and they grow like mad here 556405;1394630885;cazalla;it's good for you and saves cutting it up 556406;1394631456;C01DA51CE;hrm 556407;1394631459;C01DA51CE;where do ulive 556408;1394631464;C01DA51CE;mangos grow wild? 556409;1394631979;cazalla;queensland? 556410;1394632106;C01DA51CE;o 556411;1394632109;C01DA51CE;its tropical there? 556412;1394632372;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00600096 = 0.4801 BTC [-] {4} 556413;1394632506;cazalla;yes 556414;1394632616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40745 @ 0.00085872 = 34.9885 BTC [+] {3} 556415;1394633043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56397 @ 0.00085654 = 48.3063 BTC [-] {3} 556416;1394633146;KRS1;.bait 556417;1394633147;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0y6izKybL1r600zvo1_500.jpg 556418;1394633157;KRS1;.bait 556419;1394633158;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzx926eUGZ1r61ps7o1_500.jpg 556420;1394633173;C01DA51CE;wow 556421;1394633184;C01DA51CE;that 2nd girl 556422;1394633186;C01DA51CE;Is redic 556423;1394633430;KRS1;you bet 556424;1394633434;KRS1;.diff 556425;1394633435;ozbot;3.816 billion | Next Diff in 91 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.7103% in 0d 13h 28m 27s 556426;1394633556;ThickAsThieves;;;estimate 556427;1394633558;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | 4227111624.54 based on data since last change | 4466857657.25 based on data for last three days 556428;1394633774;KRS1;a friend of mine is selling 2 x BFL 60 ghash miners and 2 jalapenos if anyone is interested 556429;1394633897;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15921 @ 0.00086085 = 13.7056 BTC [+] 556430;1394634163;C01DA51CE;.bait 556431;1394634165;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzyridAhVW1r76ywbo1_400.jpg 556432;1394634173;C01DA51CE;well that certainly 556433;1394634176;C01DA51CE;is quite interesting 556434;1394634178;C01DA51CE;.bait 556435;1394634179;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m10dh4ZO3g1qiqa2no1_1280.jpg 556436;1394634187;C01DA51CE;.bait 556437;1394634188;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0wms7C2RI1rp8c9ao1_500.jpg 556438;1394634313;C01DA51CE;http://25.media.tumblr.com/bb3663c240b2f17c095fd89524c2d9b7/tumblr_mrneznnbM01rttnhxo1_500.jpg 556439;1394634313;C01DA51CE;lol 556440;1394634316;C01DA51CE;so true 556441;1394634323;C01DA51CE;what a bunch of whores these girls are now 556442;1394634455;KRS1;ya aint it great 556443;1394634491;C01DA51CE;i guess 556444;1394634492;C01DA51CE;if ur not 556445;1394634495;C01DA51CE;married with children 556446;1394634627;KRS1;bachelor life for me 556447;1394634633;KRS1;sux fo ryou 556448;1394634723;mircea_popescu;;;later tell mike_c he has good points on the topic. then people wonder why he wasn't ever a topic of study by acaemia. which academia, the one that subsits on ex hedge fund manager alumni bequests ? 556449;1394634723;gribble;The operation succeeded. 556450;1394634762;mircea_popescu;the20year you can end up with a tv show on top of everything, maybe put a little effort into it, curate a youtube channel, do some blogwork/outreach 556451;1394634765;mircea_popescu;people love the sort of shit. 556452;1394634808;mircea_popescu;;;later tell Chris_Sabian i wouldn't be too worried about it. 2013 made bitcoin, it's a cut deal. 556453;1394634808;gribble;The operation succeeded. 556454;1394635544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 335 @ 0.00389975 = 1.3064 BTC [-] 556455;1394636046;mircea_popescu;Neil: I'm definitely in the top 3 bettors on bitbet; wouldn't be surprised if #1 by amt of BTC bet. Scary. << how much is that ? 556456;1394636642;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.00614863 = 0.1168 BTC [-] {3} 556457;1394636643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00086085 = 14.204 BTC [+] 556458;1394636659;ThickAsThieves;http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/article/2014/02/25/waltham-murders-boston-marathon/ 556459;1394636659;ozbot;The Murders Before the Marathon 556460;1394636692;jcpham;mircea_popescu it's over 9000 I just checked 556461;1394636706;mircea_popescu;lol ok 556462;1394636834;ThickAsThieves;https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/03/12/nsa-plans-infect-millions-computers-malware/ 556463;1394636834;ozbot;How the NSA Plans to Infect 'Millions' of Computers with Malware - The Intercept 556464;1394636868;ThickAsThieves;"An implant plug-in named CAPTIVATEDAUDIENCE, for example, is used to take over a targeted computer’s microphone and record conversations taking place near the device. Another, GUMFISH, can covertly take over a computer’s webcam and snap photographs. FOGGYBOTTOM records logs of Internet browsing histories and collects login details and passwords used to access websites and email 556465;1394636869;ThickAsThieves;accounts. GROK is used to log keystrokes. And SALVAGERABBIT exfiltrates data from removable flash drives that connect to an infected computer." 556466;1394636898;ThickAsThieves;https://prod01-cdn03.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/2014/03/selectors-1024x768.png 556467;1394637069;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 65 @ 0.00627804 = 0.4081 BTC [-] {5} 556468;1394637205;jurov;.d 556469;1394637206;ozbot;3.816 billion | Next Diff in 81 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.8910% in 0d 11h 56m 42s 556470;1394637252;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.00628292 = 0.1194 BTC [+] {2} 556471;1394637303;ThickAsThieves;;;estimate 556472;1394637304;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | 4233978876.69 based on data since last change | 4459038639.54 based on data for last three days 556473;1394637313;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33848 @ 0.0008602 = 29.116 BTC [-] {2} 556474;1394637321;ThickAsThieves;;;bcstats 556475;1394637323;gribble;Current Blocks: 290222 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 81 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 11 hours, 14 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4233978876.69 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.96136 556476;1394637374;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 88 @ 0.00629001 = 0.5535 BTC [+] {3} 556477;1394637581;Neil;mircea_popescu: More than I thought... I keep a record of it all 556478;1394637609;Neil;"BTC difficulty to increase by less than 10% 6.00000000 BTC on No" << wow, that's almost reckless 556479;1394637623;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/stats/1K4FswVNus5xJZJ6TYqAzWSy3tXBBFdGnM/ < the famous 1k4fs is like 1.2k 556480;1394637660;ThickAsThieves;reckless how so? 556481;1394637687;Neil;Little upside lot of downside. Just IMO. 556482;1394637708;ThickAsThieves;looks safe to me 556483;1394637721;Neil;Fair enough :) 556484;1394638228;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.085 = 0.17 BTC [+] 556485;1394638345;Neil;When do you think we'll have a full difficulty period where sum(fees)>sum(new coins)? 6.25 BTC or 3.125 BTC or later? 556486;1394638511;Neil;We'd definitely need the block size limit substantially raised or removed, but that's gonna have to happen in the next 18 mths anyway. 556487;1394638594;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00390393 = 0.2108 BTC [+] {2} 556488;1394638690;Neil;;;prevdiffchange 556489;1394638693;gribble;21.92473 556490;1394638838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37036 @ 0.00085735 = 31.7528 BTC [-] {3} 556491;1394639008;thestringpuller;;;reward 556492;1394639009;gribble;Error: "reward" is not a valid command. 556493;1394639238;mircea_popescu;Neil 2016. 556494;1394639252;mircea_popescu;and no, larger block size lowers fees. 556495;1394639256;mircea_popescu;block size is good as is, 1mb. 556496;1394639326;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04233333 = 0.127 BTC [-] {2} 556497;1394639327;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.0008552 = 35.0632 BTC [-] {2} 556498;1394639327;Neil;ThickAsThieves: Didn't realize it was your bet :)# 556499;1394639355;Neil;mircea_popescu: No way in 2016... I don't see blocks with 12.5 BTC fees, and certainly not at 1MB 556500;1394639378;mircea_popescu;explain how you reason / 556501;1394639471;Neil;Well I believe the block size will increase. But also with say ~1k txns per 1MB block, I don't see people paying an average fee of 0.0013 BTC. Especially as I expect BTC to be significantly higher than today. 556502;1394639495;artifexd;1meg block allows for (ideally) 5000 transactions (at 200 bytes/tx). To get 12.5 btc in fees, each transaction will have to pay .0025 btc in fees. Them thar are some hefty fees. 556503;1394639503;San1ty-Work;What's the general consensus here on AM and their Gen 3 chips? 556504;1394639525;VanCleef;risky 556505;1394639525;Neil;artifexd: The occasional 900 KB blocks rarely go over 1200 txns 556506;1394639528;mircea_popescu;Neil so you believe the block size will increase. why ? 556507;1394639538;Neil;It's the right thing to do. 556508;1394639544;mircea_popescu;how do you know this ? 556509;1394639547;artifexd;Niel hence "ideally" 556510;1394639553;Neil;I don't know, it's my belief. 556511;1394639563;mircea_popescu;well then here's the caper : it's beyond fucking stupid. 556512;1394639574;Neil;Can't argue with that. 556513;1394639578;mircea_popescu;there are two good reasons not to increase it. one is that the larger the block, the more expensive its securing 556514;1394639593;San1ty-Work;VanCleef: I heard some rumors that they are planning to deploy 1600 PH 556515;1394639599;mircea_popescu;currently blocks are secured through the process of mining. the hash count per block is a rough proxy for its cryptographical security. 556516;1394639611;mircea_popescu;a doubling of the block size roughly quadruples the hash needed for equal security. 556517;1394639624;Neil;These things should be chosen by the market, just like fees. I doubt we'll get blocks much bigger than 1MB for a long time to come, even if there weren't a limit now. 556518;1394639640;mircea_popescu;cryptography aside, there is the economic problem, : the only way to extract rents is rarity. 556519;1394639654;mircea_popescu;if there are 1k slots and 10k txns vieing for a slot, you may see high fees 556520;1394639669;mircea_popescu;if there are 10k slots made just as soon as there's 10k txns looking for a slot, you'll not see any fees. 556521;1394639676;Neil;mircea_popescu: It'd be the end of bitbet with fees that high. 556522;1394639692;mircea_popescu;the idea is for this system to be self sufficient, and in this sense there must always be a rarity of txn slots in blocks with regard to txns 556523;1394639697;mircea_popescu;current;y this is not satisfied. 556524;1394639716;Neil;It'll sort itself out. 556525;1394639717;mircea_popescu;and no, it is not valid to pretend "block size should be set by the market", because of the problem known as the disaster of commons 556526;1394639727;mircea_popescu;to wit, people have an incentive to mine large blocks fopr the direct payout 556527;1394639740;Neil;Not at all, or they'd have been doing it for the last year. 556528;1394639742;mircea_popescu;but the securing of the chain is an expense external to them and easily externalisable 556529;1394639756;Neil;Pools are afraid of orphans, and that's the way it should be. 556530;1394639767;mircea_popescu;how is this germane to what we're discussing. 556531;1394639796;mircea_popescu;as to the side point : bitbet avg bet is over 1 btc. 556532;1394639799;mircea_popescu;i don't see a problem. 556533;1394639821;Neil;Well, we'll get to see! 556534;1394639837;mircea_popescu;this entire accessiblity of bitcoin angle is overplayed. 556535;1394639851;mircea_popescu;buffett explains quite eminently why he doesn't want an accessibility of his stock in material linked yest 556536;1394639862;mircea_popescu;generally speaking opening any one good thing to more people shittifies it. 556537;1394639875;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 16 @ 0.0062964 = 0.1007 BTC [-] 556538;1394639895;mircea_popescu;let the people raise themselves up to it, rather than having it lowered to their present convenience. 556539;1394639900;mircea_popescu;and let them learn to pay for service. 556540;1394639905;artifexd;mircea_popescu how does doubling the block size quadruple the work needed to get equal security? If a certain lock on a certain box provides XX amount of security, how does increasing the size of the box make the lock worth less? 556541;1394639931;mircea_popescu;artifexd your lock metaphore is broken. the block size is the length of a square strip of material 556542;1394639937;mircea_popescu;the safety is the thickness of the square surface 556543;1394639997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44287593 BTC to 3`707 shares, 65899 satoshi per share 556544;1394640009;mircea_popescu;this is fundamentally what hashing does : it turns the problem of "cut this thread" into "cut this surface" 556545;1394640058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0411 = 0.2055 BTC [-] {3} 556546;1394640059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00085472 = 22.7783 BTC [-] {2} 556547;1394640207;artifexd;I'm fairly well versed in block/transaction/hash/etc mechanics and I am trying to wrap your metaphore around that structure. It doesn't make sense. I normally have a high amount of respect for what you say. In this case though, I think you're wrong. Or, I don't understand the variety and thus need more lurking. 556548;1394640278;mircea_popescu;well, where's it broken ? 556549;1394640302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+] 556550;1394640314;artifexd;This will take a bit to type. Patience. 556551;1394640318;mircea_popescu;that i have. 556552;1394640331;chetty;http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bitcoin-exchange-for-high-frequency-traders-is-launched-2014-03-12?dist=lcountdown 556553;1394640332;ozbot;Bitcoin exchange for high-frequency traders is launched - The Wall Street Journal - MarketWatch 556554;1394640410;artifexd;Solidifying a group of tx into a block doesn't provide security in the same sense that 100 twigs in a bundle are stronger than 100 twigs seperately. It provide security in providing a stable time reference for when tx happened. Completely different domains. 556555;1394640434;artifexd;Typing more.... 556556;1394640575;artifexd;Making that reference harder to forge is where the security comes from. How much happens in between each reference point has no bearing on how vulnerable or reproducable each reference point is. 556557;1394640615;artifexd;Does that make sense? 556558;1394640654;mircea_popescu;we'll have to work at this. suppose your hash function is defined as the first character of the md5. 556559;1394640670;artifexd;ok 556560;1394640718;mircea_popescu;sec mining. 556561;1394640785;artifexd;If we assume that md5 is a "good" hash function, then how much data you put into it doesn't have any bearing on what you get out of it. Thus the first character remains, essentially, random regardless of whether the input is 200 bytes or 200 megabytes. 556562;1394640818;mircea_popescu;h(Women are not people.) = h(Jesus hates blacks &^ faggots) 556563;1394640837;mircea_popescu;now, inasmuch as your blockhash is 3, how do you know the actual block (Women are not people.) is what hapepned 556564;1394640847;mircea_popescu;should i claim thje actual block really was "Jesus hates blacks &^ faggots" ? 556565;1394640891;artifexd;Just as much as you could claim it is mircea_popescu 556566;1394640902;mircea_popescu;right. 556567;1394640913;mircea_popescu;but mircea_popescu is shorter than the original block. 556568;1394640957;artifexd;ok... 556569;1394640961;mircea_popescu;in other words : the larger the block is, the easier for a collision to be found 556570;1394640964;mircea_popescu;this ease is not linear. 556571;1394641041;artifexd;I don't argue with what your saying. I would instead say that this particular manner of attack would be monumentally stupid in the case of bitcoin. 556572;1394641053;mircea_popescu;why ? 556573;1394641095;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.0459 = 0.5967 BTC [+] 556574;1394641177;artifexd;Because when the hash of a block is "discovered" the contents of that block are spread around the world. An attacker would have to not only find a collection of valid transactions and a sundry other pieces of data that collide with the exact same hash but also convince someone else that the replacement was the actual block. 556575;1394641200;artifexd;You are essentially looking at an attack that is by definition maximum difficulty. 556576;1394641204;mircea_popescu;but an attacker with a lot of hash power could create two such blocks and then swap them in and out to create dead txn 556577;1394641220;mircea_popescu;which is exactly why the hash power and the block size interact to create the chain cryptographical security 556578;1394641226;mircea_popescu;they just don't interact linearly. 556579;1394641248;artifexd;If the hash was one letter, sure. 256 bits? "A lot" is being conservative. 556580;1394641271;mircea_popescu;my point is that expanding the block size is not unlike shortening the hash length. 556581;1394641282;mircea_popescu;an infinite block size is worse than the "1st char of the md5" hash scheme i just proposed. 556582;1394641316;artifexd;However, your point that limiting the maximum length in order to limit the possible collisions is irrelevant as well because there is already a specific place for you to twiddle that will have the exact result you would want. The nonce/timestamp. 556583;1394641339;artifexd;Your point is technically true, but practically worthless. 556584;1394641348;mircea_popescu;how you reason ? 556585;1394641409;artifexd;Because you still have to find the birthday collision. Why would an attacker try to create a block 1 gigabyte long (which still has to be valid) in order to clash with a block 1 megabyte long? 556586;1394641412;mircea_popescu;(and for the record, i'm not arguing that this would be a particular venue of attack, i am merely showing how my thread length/surface metaphore is much better than your lock/lockbox metaphor) 556587;1394641435;mircea_popescu;artifexd perhaps because it's the only one that satisfies some other criteria we don't know about. 556588;1394641490;artifexd;I have a prior engagement that I have to attend to. I will think on this. 556589;1394641528;benkay;training: http://imgur.com/xi9CLxg 556590;1394641541;artifexd;Also, for the record, I think that increasing the block size right now is a dumb idea, not necessary and counter-productive to the desired result. 556591;1394641608;mircea_popescu;benkay you take "bitches" quite literally huh. 556592;1394641655;benkay;i guess it's hard to see his penis in that photo 556593;1394641766;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17379 @ 0.00085854 = 14.9206 BTC [+] 556594;1394641893;KRS1;.bait 556595;1394641894;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/c455620f7f4974fb00eac35cb7d839ff/tumblr_mtzytkDLTj1rwn2euo1_1280.jpg 556596;1394641914;*;KRS1 kicks ozbot. 556597;1394642010;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6001 BTC [-] 556598;1394642049;KRS1;what do you know, there's faggot dog porn: http://doggay.net/ 556599;1394642059;KRS1;There ya go if you are looking for the red rocket. 556600;1394642134;KRS1;who knew there were gay dogs..i kind of wondered since I once saw a boy dog trying to hump another boy dog. 556601;1394642488;jcpham;gay dogs porn was something i didn't entirely want to see today 556602;1394642544;HeySteve;shouldn't have joined #dogecoin then 556603;1394642546;benkay;"gay" is a human thing, KRS1. 556604;1394642659;jcpham;uright 556605;1394642665;jcpham;not sure dogs can be "gay" 556606;1394642711;chetty;http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/woman-marries-pet-dog-amanda-rodgers-sheba-british-divorcee-croatia/1/347611.html 556607;1394642712;ozbot;Dismayed by men, 47-year-old UK woman 'marries' pet dog : Europe, News - India Today 556608;1394642742;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4050 @ 0.00015002 = 0.6076 BTC [-] {6} 556609;1394643108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 339 @ 0.00389975 = 1.322 BTC [-] 556610;1394643228;benkay;trough of disillusionment? trough of disillusionment. 556611;1394643291;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.59000075 = 9.44 BTC [-] {4} 556612;1394643352;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.00591095 = 0.7684 BTC [-] {3} 556613;1394643479;KRS1;It seems your dog can indeed be gay.. 556614;1394643480;KRS1;http://www.examiner.com/article/can-a-dog-be-gay-lesbian-or-bisexual-new-test-says-yes 556615;1394643481;ozbot;Can a dog be gay, lesbian or bisexual? New test says yes - Chicago animal welfare | Examiner.com 556616;1394643510;KRS1;Crazy. 556617;1394643525;benkay;"examiner" 556618;1394643529;benkay;nope.jpg 556619;1394643657;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.59 = 4.13 BTC [-] 556620;1394643732;KRS1;It seems there's a whole subculture of queer K9's.. http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003456755/35567200_rainbow_condom_dog20gay_xlarge.jpeg 556621;1394643767;KRS1;I knew it..there was like this dog once who always walked kind of sideways...ever since I first saw it I kind of wondered. 556622;1394643791;KRS1;And some even cross their legs. 556623;1394643962;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 275 @ 0.00590058 = 1.6227 BTC [-] {2} 556624;1394644095;asciilifeform;http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8707829.stm 556625;1394644110;asciilifeform;'As Mr Mullick demonstrated how to tie a "good noose" around a neck for the cameras, half a dozen children around Bengal imitated his moves and accidentally strangled friends and relatives.' << lol 556626;1394644145;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7468 @ 0.00014504 = 1.0832 BTC [-] {6} 556627;1394644146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0039853 = 0.9963 BTC [+] {5} 556628;1394644216;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/12/bitcoin-isnt-a-currency-cant-replace-gold-goldman-sachs/ 556629;1394644216;ozbot;Bitcoin Isn’t a Currency, Can’t Replace Gold: Goldman Sachs - MoneyBeat - WSJ 556630;1394644232;mircea_popescu;KRS1 there's no such thing as gay dogs. dogs, much like people, will fuck other male dogs if no female dogs are available. 556631;1394644267;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0408 = 0.1224 BTC [-] 556632;1394644300;asciilifeform;' If a ledger-based technology is to succeed, the cyber-currency would very likely have to have some type of fixed exchange rate in order to overcome this obstacle.' << wtf ? 556633;1394644303;ThickAsThieves;the wsj link inexplicably has a pic of dorian 556634;1394644333;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves starting to get a little pannicky, are they :D 556635;1394644338;ThickAsThieves;indeed 556636;1394644354;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform first they lol, then they fight, 556637;1394644363;mircea_popescu;then mp fucks their skulls and pisses in their eye sockets 556638;1394644366;mike_c;no, first they ignore 556639;1394644371;mike_c;then they lol, etc. 556640;1394644374;mircea_popescu;aok 556641;1394644390;mike_c;then the eye socket thing 556642;1394644418;ThickAsThieves;they spell out their own doom without realizing it, as usual 556643;1394644420;ThickAsThieves;"With millenniums of history behind it as a hedge against debasement, the key to gold’s success is the stability and predictability of its demand." 556644;1394644456;asciilifeform;these folks are still puzzling over the question of how to fill a brick of btc with tungsten. 556645;1394644633;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.005911 = 0.1064 BTC [+] {2} 556646;1394644665;ThickAsThieves;maybe they have, NYC BTC exchange inevitable... 556647;1394644680;ThickAsThieves;what are the odds itll be blockahain transparent? 556648;1394644755;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.005911 = 0.13 BTC [+] 556649;1394644877;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5107 @ 0.0001407 = 0.7186 BTC [-] {8} 556650;1394645101;benkay;purt darn near zero 556651;1394645182;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09099793 = 0.273 BTC [+] {3} 556652;1394645355;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly. 556653;1394645378;mircea_popescu;in other news, tea party runs off with seat in always-democrat constituency 556654;1394645393;thestringpuller;lolol bitcoins filled with tungsten 556655;1394645401;thestringpuller;asciilifeform i'ma start using that one 556656;1394645449;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves nil. what are the odds it'll be ok'd ? 556657;1394645466;mircea_popescu;remember, this is bitcoin. the powers that are can tear the powers that wannabe a new one quite easily 556658;1394645482;mircea_popescu;as the sore holes of mtgox, the foundation, etc etc scattered all over the forum neatly attest. 556659;1394645493;mircea_popescu;keiser with his tv hordes is still smarting and so on. 556660;1394645502;jcpham;fill all bitcoin bars with tungsten immediately 556661;1394645510;jcpham;we''ll be rreech 556662;1394645665;mircea_popescu;people seriously think Judy Collins was hawt at any point ?! 556663;1394645736;C01DA51CE;who? 556664;1394645737;C01DA51CE;http://i.imgur.com/w4PCJ9I.jpg 556665;1394645740;C01DA51CE;those are pretty hot 556666;1394645789;C01DA51CE;judy collins has looked like she had facial surgery but she 556667;1394645790;C01DA51CE;never did 556668;1394645978;ThickAsThieves;nah, not hot: http://www.biography.com/people/judy-collins-16243150 556669;1394645993;ThickAsThieves;looks a bit like an exmale 556670;1394646053;mircea_popescu;i agree. 556671;1394646073;mircea_popescu;people seem to have this strange aesthetic amnesia when discussing faux 1960s "famous" tarts. 556672;1394646077;mircea_popescu;a la baez and whatnot. 556673;1394647426;asciilifeform;http://www.securelist.com/en/advisories/57325 << loltron 556674;1394647427;ozbot;Microsoft Windows DirectShow JPEG Images Parsing Memory Corruption Vulnerability - Securelist 556675;1394647439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00085829 = 21.071 BTC [-] 556676;1394647460;benkay;coooooool 556677;1394647483;mircea_popescu;lmao 556678;1394647523;joecool;too bad didn't come out after april 15th 556679;1394647554;mircea_popescu;why april 15th ? 556680;1394647622;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [+] 556681;1394647680;ThickAsThieves;i find it hard to believe that a JPG exploit can exist by mistake... 556682;1394647698;mircea_popescu;in windows ? 556683;1394647704;mircea_popescu;the entire codestack exists by mistake 556684;1394647705;ThickAsThieves;yes 556685;1394647728;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: if a man can shoot himself in the back of the head three times by mistake, then why not this. 556686;1394647738;ThickAsThieves;hehe 556687;1394647742;ThickAsThieves;got me there! 556688;1394647744;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [+] 556689;1394647786;mircea_popescu;that's easy asciilifeform just use a mirror. 556690;1394647796;asciilifeform;view lolcat, get pwnd. 556691;1394647806;mircea_popescu;pwndcat 556692;1394647811;asciilifeform;or .bait. 556693;1394647817;mircea_popescu;did anyone put this on reddit or we've not told them yet 556694;1394647848;asciilifeform;damned if i know. it's been out for days. 'spent'. 556695;1394647849;ThickAsThieves;it was on theverge or something popular 556696;1394647856;C01DA51CE;i think its only through DirectShow 556697;1394647861;ThickAsThieves;^ 556698;1394647862;C01DA51CE;dont know who which apps use this 556699;1394647866;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0459 = 0.3213 BTC [+] 556700;1394647881;ThickAsThieves;i dont think viewing JPG in web browser is susceptible 556701;1394647892;ThickAsThieves;where most people view them 556702;1394647911;C01DA51CE;i heard skype 556703;1394647912;C01DA51CE;is vuln 556704;1394647914;ThickAsThieves;although dunno if IE uses Directshow 556705;1394647957;ThickAsThieves;well we know Skype is NSAized 556706;1394647961;mircea_popescu;"DirectShow (sometimes abbreviated as DS or DShow), codename Quartz, is a multimedia framework and API produced by Microsoft for software developers to perform various operations with media files or streams. It is the replacement for Microsoft's earlier Video for Windows technology." 556707;1394647993;ThickAsThieves;hmm i recall something else about quartz at some point 556708;1394648010;mircea_popescu;basically this was activex v2 556709;1394648013;ThickAsThieves;maybe with Apple? 556710;1394648046;mike_c;directshow is part of DirectX, their opengl thingie. 556711;1394648049;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2} 556712;1394648088;C01DA51CE;sounds like 556713;1394648089;C01DA51CE;a porno 556714;1394648120;mircea_popescu;mike_c nah, wasn't part of directx back in like... a decade ago at least 556715;1394648137;mike_c;yeah it was, i used it. 556716;1394648143;mike_c;over a decade ago :) 556717;1394648146;mircea_popescu;basically, the dev in charge of directx didn't want the shit in there anymore 556718;1394648148;mircea_popescu;so they moved it 556719;1394648184;mike_c;"Previous versions of the DirectShow SDK were included in the DirectX SDK. ", yeah, they took it out in 2005 556720;1394648204;mircea_popescu;aok 556721;1394648222;ThickAsThieves;http://www.bjpenn.com/grappler-vomits-submits-after-opponent-farts-in-his-face/ 556722;1394648222;ozbot;Grappler Vomits & Submits After Opponent Farts In His Face UFC News | MMA News - BJPENN.COM 556723;1394648232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00086006 = 15.3521 BTC [+] {2} 556724;1394648238;mike_c;haha " After this version, DirectShow was moved to the Windows SDK". the windows devs didn't mind having it in their pile of crap 556725;1394648252;mircea_popescu;well... directx was a pretty decent package. 556726;1394648262;mircea_popescu;at least even with random crap like say ubuntu 556727;1394648264;ThickAsThieves;used heavily in games, no? 556728;1394648268;mircea_popescu;windows however... 556729;1394648293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.00086054 = 9.1648 BTC [+] 556730;1394648319;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yeah, for a good two decades that pillar held. technical excellence in directx + marketing excellence in ms hq ensured market domination for windows 556731;1394648401;asciilifeform;a bit of an oversimplification 556732;1394648440;asciilifeform;ignores master touches like conniving with intel to stab os/2 in the back, etc. 556733;1394648507;mircea_popescu;sure. 556734;1394648598;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.00623 = 0.1246 BTC [-] 556735;1394648726;Mats_cd03;ThickAsThieves: what btc venue would you recommend for sports betting 556736;1394648752;ThickAsThieves;i wouldnt recommend sports betting 556737;1394648756;ThickAsThieves;sooo 556738;1394648767;Mats_cd03;so dongs 556739;1394648798;mircea_popescu;;;estimate 556740;1394648799;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | 4224066657.81 based on data since last change | 4501944129.48 based on data for last three days 556741;1394648820;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/712/bitcoin-difficulty-over-5-6b-before-april/ 556742;1394648822;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty over 5.6B before April 556743;1394648822;mircea_popescu;tight huh 556744;1394648916;ThickAsThieves;https://twitter.com/tuurdemeester/status/443779660002754562/photo/1 556745;1394648917;ozbot;Twitter / tuurdemeester: Goldman Sachs drops the bomb: ... 556746;1394648921;ThickAsThieves;not really sure what that is 556747;1394648957;ThickAsThieves;i guess there's a GS report on BTC? 556748;1394649018;asciilifeform;tuurdemeester - is that something like a burgomeister, but...? 556749;1394649068;ThickAsThieves;http://www.coinometrics.com/bitcoin/btix?utm_content=bufferfd226 556750;1394649073;ThickAsThieves;btc beats WU 556751;1394649115;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves they paid for a wsj piece to explain how bitcoin isn't as good as gold. 556752;1394649119;mircea_popescu;imagine that :D 556753;1394649126;jcpham;here's your new forum: https://bitcointa.lk/pages/features/ 556754;1394649225;benkay;the point of bitcointalk.org being the information asymmetry, though. 556755;1394649383;ThickAsThieves;jcpham, i dont get it 556756;1394649416;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quite a few u.s. folks know 'the dirt' re: 'the boston tea party.' it isn't exactly a national secret. 556757;1394649453;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ask teenaged girls sometime. 556758;1394649519;joecool;asciilifeform: are you a contributor to buzzfeed? 556759;1394649533;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps i should also ask them, next, the best way to avoid write-hazards on MIPS4. 556760;1394649542;asciilifeform;joecool: wtf is buzzfeed 556761;1394649562;asciilifeform;let me guess - aggregator for dope aficionados? 556762;1394649569;joecool;"top 15 things most americans don't know about the tea party" 556763;1394649574;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 51 @ 0.00623003 = 0.3177 BTC [+] {2} 556764;1394649585;joecool;that sort of headline 556765;1394649690;asciilifeform;someone must tell Tuurdemeester about Expertsexchange. 556766;1394649736;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but suzanne was 19ish 556767;1394649795;mircea_popescu;inconvenient as it may be, girls aged 16 to 19ish are the country. 556768;1394649902;asciilifeform;'buzzfeed' - the bus bars which supply current to an electric chair? 556769;1394649940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 167 @ 0.0059 = 0.9853 BTC [-] 556770;1394650194;kakobrekla;re previous twitter link, i thought he was trolling with his name, but then i checked www.tuurdemeester.com/subscribe/ and i see its fuckin real. fuckin unreal. 556771;1394650224;kakobrekla;am i the only one that thinks 'turd master' ? 556772;1394650317;benkay;nope.jpg 556773;1394650342;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2014#556748 556774;1394650347;dub;no worse than cockburn 556775;1394650367;kakobrekla;burgomeister? 556776;1394650385;kakobrekla;and apparently i missed your line previously. 556777;1394650399;asciilifeform;;;google burgomeister 556778;1394650400;gribble;The Burgomeister's Demesne: <http://www.burgomeister.org/>; burgomeister.org • Index page: <http://www.burgomeister.org/forum/>; Burgomaster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgomaster> 556779;1394650445;asciilifeform;sometimes i wonder if i actually learned english, or was cheated and given something vaguely compatible 556780;1394650448;asciilifeform;like pcdos vs. msdos 556781;1394650455;kakobrekla;its closer to turd master, by the cover and by the content 556782;1394650550;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla nope, not the only one. 556783;1394650572;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform english is a slut like that. 556784;1394650573;kakobrekla;good, cause for a second there i thought i was psychotic or something 556785;1394650617;dub;dat moment when 556786;1394650655;asciilifeform;names are working parts. even matsushita finally changed its name. 556787;1394650672;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0059 = 0.177 BTC [-] 556788;1394650954;dub;http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Faggoter-1 556789;1394650955;ozbot;Mary Faggoter 1696 - Seeking Genealogy 556790;1394651038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.59 = 5.9 BTC [-] 556791;1394651099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.59 = 5.9 BTC [-] 556792;1394651226;KRS1;lol wut 556793;1394651282;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.06999999 = 2.24 BTC [+] {3} 556794;1394651283;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.5821 = 4.0747 BTC [-] 556795;1394651323;mircea_popescu;http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/4316.jpg 556796;1394651343;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.582 BTC [-] 556797;1394651368;KRS1;I hate Wal Mart, but people of Wal Mart website is such fun. 556798;1394651404;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.581454 = 3.4887 BTC [-] {3} 556799;1394651408;mircea_popescu;i've never been 556800;1394651414;mircea_popescu;but it's basically just a supermarket neh ? 556801;1394651421;benkay;http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/62880/caption-contest-22/ 556802;1394651422;ozbot;Caption Contest - People Of Walmart 556803;1394651425;benkay;*the* supermarket. 556804;1394651444;KRS1;its...an experience. Its so big its ridiculous and you can't find help. The one where I live sells everything from sardines to tires. 556805;1394651445;asciilifeform;i went once, in >2 decades. it was a warehouse full of el-cheapo. 556806;1394651463;asciilifeform;there are many similar shops 556807;1394651463;KRS1;They actually have some decent goods. 556808;1394651514;KRS1;When you go to leave, the checkouts make a beeping sound. When multiplied by 20+ checkout lanes the sound is deafening. The people are low class and aren't afraid to show it. 556809;1394651574;benkay;http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/6012.jpg 556810;1394651606;KRS1;The one where I live is also 24 hours. Its strange. 556811;1394651657;KRS1;In case you need like...a hammer, new underwear and a lamp at 4AM. 556812;1394651680;kakobrekla;i actually like the 24 hourness in general 556813;1394651685;benkay;i found mircea_popescu: http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/6002.jpg 556814;1394651719;KRS1;kakobrekla: i agree, late/odd hours are the only time I'll go, if I ever do go. The daytime is just so crazy. 556815;1394651729;KRS1;LOL benkay 556816;1394651770;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.61408464 = 12.2817 BTC [+] {8} 556817;1394651984;mircea_popescu;lol my beard is much thicker than that shit 556818;1394652510;dub;just a supermarket and the biggest company in th eworld by a couple of metrics 556819;1394652635;ThickAsThieves;i considered taking advantage of this Target Credit Monitoring thing 556820;1394652642;ThickAsThieves;but the whole thing feels like a scam itself 556821;1394652658;ThickAsThieves;authorization codes and Experian logos 556822;1394652677;ThickAsThieves;feels much more like a promotion that will get me more spam for years to come 556823;1394652699;ThickAsThieves;this fucking world... 556824;1394652704;benkay;take out all the fiat loans you can 556825;1394652710;benkay;pray they're not due before we emerge from the Trough. 556826;1394652720;benkay;or just bail on the US. 556827;1394652734;ThickAsThieves;i'd have to leave my wife to do so 556828;1394652744;dub;bonus? 556829;1394652748;ThickAsThieves;hehe 556830;1394652751;ThickAsThieves;some days! 556831;1394652765;dub;is she permanently affixed to .us? 556832;1394652767;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: leo szilard supposedly said 'wisdom consist in getting on the train a day before everybody else.' 556833;1394652779;ThickAsThieves;i know ascii i know 556834;1394652792;ThickAsThieves;she just got a great job here 556835;1394652798;ThickAsThieves;one she's wanted for a long time 556836;1394652834;asciilifeform;this place would probably empty out overnight if everybody had work elsewhere. 556837;1394652847;benkay;DC in particular? 556838;1394652851;asciilifeform;usa 556839;1394652859;ThickAsThieves;it's already happening 556840;1394652873;benkay;i don't think there's enough 'work' to absorb all the meat that would need to emigrate to empty out the usa. 556841;1394652877;ThickAsThieves;americans dont wanna work anyway 556842;1394652898;ThickAsThieves;immigrants do all the work 556843;1394652926;asciilifeform;maybe poor choice of words. 'employment' rather than 'work' 556844;1394652953;ThickAsThieves;maybe 556845;1394652972;Diablo-D3;ThickAsThieves: its not that americans dont want to work 556846;1394652977;dub;its not like we're talking about actual work 556847;1394652977;benkay;are there other socialist regimes with the printing presses to employ such volumes of cattle, asciilifeform? 556848;1394652985;Diablo-D3;its just that americans have been brainwashed by the government to have a skewed view of what work is 556849;1394652991;dub;just distraction for the cattle class 556850;1394652998;Diablo-D3;like, they think going to college means something 556851;1394653003;dub;give them vidya games 556852;1394653005;asciilifeform;benkay: probably not the cattle. but the folks who actually know some useful trade. 556853;1394653007;Diablo-D3;protip: it doesnt, and you will not get a job because you went there 556854;1394653020;benkay;Diablo-D3: are you 'degreed'? 556855;1394653027;Diablo-D3;ThickAsThieves: plus we have the problem of companies illegally hiring mexicans that work at a fraction of minimum wage 556856;1394653037;Diablo-D3;benkay: I refuse to hold one. 556857;1394653073;benkay;did you ever attend one of the 'colleges'? 556858;1394653079;Diablo-D3;benkay: degrees are a downright scam for the industry Im in 556859;1394653082;blackwhite;So I have a question for all you experts. Imagine a bitcoin like protocol that allow you to embed digital assets or watermark certain digital assets. You could in theory imagine everything from digital pokemon cards to creative commons licenses as unique "scarce" resources. 556860;1394653085;benkay;or straight up reject the whole prop. right out of HS? 556861;1394653095;blackwhite;Thoughts? 556862;1394653098;Diablo-D3;benkay: rejected the whole thing from the get go. 556863;1394653105;Diablo-D3;benkay: I didnt even take high school seriously. 556864;1394653114;Diablo-D3;it was 4 years of attempted brainwashing that I successfully resisted 556865;1394653126;benkay;public school? 556866;1394653128;Diablo-D3;yes 556867;1394653136;benkay;blackwhite: sounds colored coins etc 556868;1394653139;ThickAsThieves;<Diablo-D3> ThickAsThieves: plus we have the problem of companies illegally hiring mexicans that work at a fraction of minimum wage/// i dont consider this a problem 556869;1394653141;benkay;;;google trilema colored coins 556870;1394653141;gribble;Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/>; The dork of the month award. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the-dork-of-the-month-award>; Women Behind Bars pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/women-behind-bars> 556871;1394653156;benkay;blackwhite: read ^^ 556872;1394653162;asciilifeform;most of the people i know with actual degrees - yours truly included - (sci/eng.) had, at the time of signing up, delusions of employment in academia 556873;1394653165;Diablo-D3;ThickAsThieves: I consider it a problem. Americans are turned down for jobs because of companies acting illegally. 556874;1394653184;ThickAsThieves;i'd rather commiserate with Mexicans than the people that complain about them 556875;1394653194;Diablo-D3;ThickAsThieves: Im not blaming the mexcians 556876;1394653194;benkay;Americans are turned down from jobs because the communist government imposes artificial wage constraints. 556877;1394653198;Diablo-D3;they have a pretty sweet deal 556878;1394653204;asciilifeform;Diablo-D3: i have yet to run into an american who lamented 'i'd like to find work picking tomatoes, but couldn't on account of mexicans' 556879;1394653214;Diablo-D3;they get to get out of that shithole homeland of theirs and get paid a shitload of money by their standards 556880;1394653228;Diablo-D3;asciilifeform: because you'll never find a job listing for that. 556881;1394653229;ThickAsThieves;asciilifeform, then you must have never been to a border state 556882;1394653235;dub;lol 556883;1394653257;Diablo-D3;asciilifeform: all the big agriculture farms go out and find mexicans to work there and illegally bring them into the country 556884;1394653260;blackwhite;You won't find a listing for that because no one want to take it unless they are mexicans. It's more or less the same problem around the world 556885;1394653267;blackwhite;immigrants take the shitty jobs 556886;1394653280;Diablo-D3;blackwhite: there are people in america that will take any job 556887;1394653291;Diablo-D3;there are people who have applied to 1000 different jobs and were turned down 556888;1394653292;asciilifeform;we have tighter 'caste stratification' here than in victorian england. an engineer, programmer, even lowly clerk, might live a whole life without speaking to these folks. 556889;1394653295;blackwhite;not enough and not for what they will be paid 556890;1394653308;Diablo-D3;they're turned down for insane reasons 556891;1394653315;Diablo-D3;"oh, you have a degree, we dont want you" 556892;1394653322;benkay;no, that's a good reason. 556893;1394653323;Diablo-D3;"oh, you're too old" (30s is too old? wow) 556894;1394653329;Diablo-D3;"oh, we need a minority" 556895;1394653334;benkay;also a good reason. 556896;1394653334;Diablo-D3;"oh, we need a woman" 556897;1394653341;ThickAsThieves;wtf is this with "good reason" 556898;1394653343;Diablo-D3;its a fucking job at mcdonalds you fucks 556899;1394653349;Diablo-D3;anyone can work it 556900;1394653349;benkay;gotta be young 556901;1394653349;dub;thats cause telling them they are too fat is discrimination 556902;1394653355;ThickAsThieves;they don't need a good reason in the losing party's estimation 556903;1394653356;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09299979 = 0.186 BTC [+] 556904;1394653357;benkay;and cheap 556905;1394653360;Diablo-D3;dub: and that doesnt even make sense 556906;1394653363;Diablo-D3;one third of america is too fat 556907;1394653366;benkay;and instructable. 556908;1394653374;benkay;american college students are so self-important they can barely work service industry gigs. 556909;1394653380;Diablo-D3;benkay: yeah, they're fucked 556910;1394653382;asciilifeform;incidentally, even a 100% proper science/maths/etc degree can be a liability, as you'll only be considered for the higher paygrades (naturally tighter musical chairs) 556911;1394653383;Diablo-D3;I feel sorry for them 556912;1394653383;benkay;"but my feminism is insulted every day in this gig!" 556913;1394653390;ThickAsThieves;i never hired a college graduate 556914;1394653391;blackwhite;Diablo-D3 they are too fat because they eat shit food. They might as well die of starvation because they sure will die from obesity 556915;1394653394;ThickAsThieves;they are broken 556916;1394653394;Diablo-D3;they were brainwashed into thinking untruths by the governemt 556917;1394653407;Diablo-D3;blackwhite: yes, and the sooner we burn the wheat and corn crops the better 556918;1394653408;blackwhite;ahh I see we got a ancapper in the house :) 556919;1394653433;Diablo-D3;wheat, corn, sugar cain, all highly toxic drugs that should be on the schedule I list 556920;1394653439;ThickAsThieves;actually i probably did hire some, i wouldnt remember because i wouldnt have cared 556921;1394653442;benkay;asciilifeform: i've seen *that* up close and personally. 556922;1394653443;Diablo-D3;treat those fucks like the terrorists they are 556923;1394653478;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5840001 = 1.168 BTC [-] {2} 556924;1394653480;ThickAsThieves;diablo-d3 always bringing it back to paleo 556925;1394653484;ThickAsThieves;... 556926;1394653501;Diablo-D3;hey, if we're going to talk about fat people, bringing up the cure is fair game 556927;1394653508;Diablo-D3;the government loves to brainwash people 556928;1394653516;ThickAsThieves;paleo is no cure 556929;1394653521;ThickAsThieves;fuck outta he 556930;1394653522;ThickAsThieves;a 556931;1394653524;Diablo-D3;it tells kids in high school "get a degree at any cost no matter what, otherwise you'll never get a job" 556932;1394653524;asciilifeform;'a hunchback is cured by the grave.' (rus. proverb) 556933;1394653539;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5830002 = 1.749 BTC [-] 556934;1394653540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0406 = 0.1218 BTC [-] 556935;1394653543;asciilifeform;s/cured/straightened 556936;1394653560;Diablo-D3;it tells fat people "dont eat meat, dont eat fat, dont eat cholesterol, eat wheat and corn and other "vegetables" like them" and people keep getting fatter on that insane advice 556937;1394653589;Diablo-D3;you can run ten thousand miles and never get skinny, you can eat the FDA recommended diet and never get skinny 556938;1394653590;ThickAsThieves;lol 556939;1394653595;ThickAsThieves;you are fucking insane 556940;1394653603;ThickAsThieves;people arent fat cuz wheat 556941;1394653604;Diablo-D3;ThickAsThieves: I went from 340 to 210 556942;1394653608;ThickAsThieves;so 556943;1394653610;Diablo-D3;by following a strict paleo diet 556944;1394653624;Diablo-D3;I have all the proof I need to know I'm right. I'm living proof. 556945;1394653635;ThickAsThieves;go for a run 3 times a week for same result 556946;1394653639;Diablo-D3;nope 556947;1394653650;Diablo-D3;and fat people shouldnt run 556948;1394653654;ThickAsThieves;go whole foods for same result 556949;1394653657;Diablo-D3;thats a good way to getting a heart attack 556950;1394653674;ThickAsThieves;baby steps 556951;1394653677;Diablo-D3;ThickAsThieves: the thing is, I lost this weight without increased exercise. 556952;1394653684;ThickAsThieves;lol 556953;1394653685;Diablo-D3;so that blows your theory out of the water 556954;1394653689;ThickAsThieves;and that's a good thing? 556955;1394653703;Diablo-D3;my body finally regulating itself? thats a GREAT thing 556956;1394653710;ThickAsThieves;look man, go write a fucking book or do a documentary 556957;1394653718;Diablo-D3;ThickAsThieves: why do you hate America? 556958;1394653721;Diablo-D3;seriously 556959;1394653727;dub;whats to like? 556960;1394653730;benkay;little bit of column a, little bit of column b 556961;1394653733;ThickAsThieves;just cuz you found an angle doesnt make it the divine answer to all things 556962;1394653734;Diablo-D3;all you do is bitch when I bring up the fact obesity has been cured. 556963;1394653741;benkay;Diablo-D3's clearly all the way in column a. 556964;1394653756;dub;Diablo-D3 is clearly a crackhead 556965;1394653758;Diablo-D3;The FDA can no longer brainwash america. 556966;1394653761;dub;this is old news 556967;1394653763;ThickAsThieves;people have been curing obesity 100 times over 556968;1394653765;Diablo-D3;Their reign of terror is over. 556969;1394653776;ThickAsThieves;yet it exists 556970;1394653779;Diablo-D3;ThickAsThieves: you sound fat. 556971;1394653784;ThickAsThieves;haha 556972;1394653807;ThickAsThieves;certainly not in the sense you imagine 556973;1394653831;ThickAsThieves;i attribute any overweight lbs to sitting in this chair too much 556974;1394653836;ThickAsThieves;nothing more 556975;1394653852;Diablo-D3;I attribute it to government interference in the natural diet of humans. 556976;1394653860;ThickAsThieves;dude i'm vegan 556977;1394653865;Diablo-D3;Thats even worse 556978;1394653867;Diablo-D3;no wonder you're sick 556979;1394653870;Diablo-D3;eat meat 556980;1394653884;ThickAsThieves;will it make me like you? 556981;1394653888;benkay;Diablo-D3: what's your macro ratio? 556982;1394653905;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00399999 = 0.2 BTC [+] 556983;1394653920;Diablo-D3;benkay: is there a web calculator for that somewhere? 556984;1394653951;benkay;uh 556985;1394653964;benkay;you should be able to estimate. 556986;1394653966;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9617 @ 0.00013531 = 1.3013 BTC [-] {12} 556987;1394653970;benkay;take like 15 minutes 556988;1394653973;ThickAsThieves;he's not even arguing about ratios though 556989;1394653986;Diablo-D3;benkay: well like, is it based on what I eat? 556990;1394653997;ThickAsThieves;he's arguing types of protein, etc 556991;1394653998;benkay;do you do nutritional suppositories?! 556992;1394654005;benkay;of course the stuff that goes in your face 556993;1394654014;Diablo-D3;benkay: No I mean, is that the only part of the calculation? 556994;1394654027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19372 @ 0.00010835 = 2.099 BTC [-] {15} 556995;1394654028;benkay;i'd assume - do you have other input sources to consider? 556996;1394654057;Diablo-D3;benkay: because like, I have quite little carb intake 556997;1394654062;ThickAsThieves;i think maybe a common ground here might be, we can all agree that the processed a food is, and the more unnatural chemicals make it up or are used to create it, the worse the food is 556998;1394654064;Diablo-D3;benkay: its mostly protein and fat 556999;1394654078;ThickAsThieves;the more processed* 557000;1394654085;Diablo-D3;ThickAsThieves: yes, but grains and sugars only exist in processed form 557001;1394654097;ThickAsThieves;my apple is processed? 557002;1394654133;ThickAsThieves;i also didnt say all processing is bad 557003;1394654140;Diablo-D3;ThickAsThieves: eating natural fruit is about the only source of sugars pretty much 557004;1394654177;benkay;i'm okay with babe-baked breads. in moderation. 557005;1394654210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7631 @ 0.000099 = 0.7555 BTC [-] {2} 557006;1394654216;Diablo-D3;so lets find out how many grams of various things I ate today 557007;1394654226;dub;is unnatural fruit a thing? 557008;1394654232;Diablo-D3;dub: yeah, sadly 557009;1394654234;ThickAsThieves;was gonna asl 557010;1394654237;ThickAsThieves;ask* 557011;1394654238;Diablo-D3;dub: like, sugar loaded applesuaces 557012;1394654239;benkay;so Diablo-D3 once you drop all the weight via completely cutting out carbs, one can lead a pretty healthy life eating the occasional sugar thing (or beer, or wine), provided you supplement with exercise. 557013;1394654243;Diablo-D3;sugar loaded dried fruits 557014;1394654244;Diablo-D3;etc 557015;1394654268;benkay;not exercising is just as bad as living on carbs. 557016;1394654271;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28884 @ 0.00085437 = 24.6776 BTC [-] {2} 557017;1394654281;Diablo-D3;113g of this steak is 140 calories, 3.5g of fat, 0 carbs, 26g of protein.... 557018;1394654304;ThickAsThieves;really i think D3 simply cherishes what got him healthy to the point of fanaticism 557019;1394654312;Diablo-D3;I ate 606 grams of it 557020;1394654315;benkay;ThickAsThieves: that's kinda what i'm driving at 557021;1394654316;ThickAsThieves;it's admirable in a way 557022;1394654320;ThickAsThieves;but annoying as fuck 557023;1394654328;dub;ThickAsThieves: its the first thing he's ever stuck to for more than a minute 557024;1394654336;Diablo-D3;so thats 751 calories.... 557025;1394654358;Diablo-D3;18.7 grams of fat... 557026;1394654364;benkay;;;calc 3.5/(26+3.5) 557027;1394654364;gribble;0.118644067797 557028;1394654371;ThickAsThieves;i have been the same way with jogging at times 557029;1394654384;Diablo-D3;and 139 grams of protein 557030;1394654393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00463728 = 0.4637 BTC [-] {6} 557031;1394654395;ThickAsThieves;i have this 3-year or so cycle where i get 40lbs overweight and pick up jogging again 557032;1394654399;ThickAsThieves;it's not perfect 557033;1394654402;ThickAsThieves;but it's my thing 557034;1394654410;ThickAsThieves;so when people talk about losing weight 557035;1394654413;ThickAsThieves;i just say 557036;1394654414;ThickAsThieves;jog! 557037;1394654419;Diablo-D3;now for the vegs... 557038;1394654455;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7293 @ 0.0008622 = 6.288 BTC [+] 557039;1394654455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 226 @ 0.00086726 = 0.196 BTC [-] {4} 557040;1394654472;Diablo-D3;84g (entire bag is 408g, I eat entire bag), 25 calories, 0g fat, 5g carbs, 0 protein 557041;1394654485;Diablo-D3;121 calories... 557042;1394654497;ThickAsThieves;D3 poops like a champion 557043;1394654507;Diablo-D3;24g carbs 557044;1394654518;Diablo-D3;so for total today I ate... 557045;1394654533;Diablo-D3;872 calories... 557046;1394654535;benkay;;;calc 3.5 * (606/113) 557047;1394654535;gribble;18.7699115044 557048;1394654557;Diablo-D3;18.7 grams of fat, 24g carbs... 557049;1394654584;benkay;;;calc 18.7699115044/(606 + 408) 557050;1394654584;gribble;0.0185107608525 557051;1394654588;Diablo-D3;and 139g of protein 557052;1394654597;benkay;homie you're cruising for gout 557053;1394654602;dub;what is a bag of veggies? 557054;1394654615;Diablo-D3;dub: I get birds eye frozen stir fry shit 557055;1394654622;Diablo-D3;its actually rather good 557056;1394654624;dub;you are fuckign retarded dude 557057;1394654628;Diablo-D3;its hard to find frozen that isnt shit 557058;1394654639;benkay;Diablo-D3: how old are you? 557059;1394654640;dub;whats wrong with fresh? 557060;1394654642;Diablo-D3;benkay: 30 557061;1394654655;benkay;please get some fat in your diet 557062;1394654656;Diablo-D3;dub: nothing, it just spoils too quickly and its hard to get stuff grown in america most of the year 557063;1394654670;Diablo-D3;benkay: 18.7g of fat isnt enough?! 557064;1394654685;benkay;18.7/(606+408) 557065;1394654687;Diablo-D3;benkay: dude, thats like, way above what the FDA brainwashed people to believe is the maximum 557066;1394654690;benkay;;;calc 18.7/(606+408) 557067;1394654690;gribble;0.0184418145957 557068;1394654698;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2851 @ 0.00009998 = 0.285 BTC [+] {2} 557069;1394654708;benkay;ah i'm fucking that up 557070;1394654719;benkay;what's the cal/g fat? 557071;1394654728;benkay;9 557072;1394654728;artifexd_afk;9 557073;1394654732;Diablo-D3;872 calories, 18.7g of fat 557074;1394654746;benkay;;;calc 18.7*9/872 557075;1394654747;gribble;0.193004587156 557076;1394654754;benkay;so 20% 557077;1394654775;benkay;75% protein is a recipe for gout 557078;1394654779;mircea_popescu;<benkay> pray they're not due before we emerge from the Trough. << no actually : take loan, buy bitcoin, give bank the finger. 557079;1394654786;mircea_popescu;judge can order whatever he wants, the bitcoin he can't touch 557080;1394654794;mircea_popescu;help bring down the us banking system. 557081;1394654798;dub;benkay: there are few real rules 557082;1394654805;benkay;mhm. 557083;1394654820;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.583052 = 14.5763 BTC [+] {4} 557084;1394654826;dub;benkay: people are different, the only way to apply any science is test your blood regularly 557085;1394654835;benkay;heard of a thing called an "operating envelope", dub? 557086;1394654849;benkay;i have no idea what exactly the dropoff is, but 75% protein for an extended period of time is fukken dangerous. 557087;1394654854;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> benkay: probably not the cattle. but the folks who actually know some useful trade. << most of those have already left. 557088;1394654861;BingoBoingo;benkay: Maybe we bet on whether gout or kidney disease happens firstsies? 557089;1394654868;dub;benkay: according to who? 557090;1394654876;benkay;*shrug* 557091;1394654879;benkay;nobody, obviously. 557092;1394654889;dub;the answer is the answer 557093;1394654937;Diablo-D3;wikipedia says gout is caused by inflamation 557094;1394654953;dub;its caused by uric (sp?) acid 557095;1394654954;ThickAsThieves;:/ 557096;1394654969;mircea_popescu;<benkay> american college students are so self-important they can barely work service industry gigs. << this. 557097;1394654987;Diablo-D3;dub: ahh, so THATS what that test is for 557098;1394655000;asciilifeform;but work they do. 557099;1394655008;mircea_popescu;whoa shit i can;'t keep uop with you people 557100;1394655011;mircea_popescu;type slower 557101;1394655011;asciilifeform;coffee shop in this town is, afaik, 100% uni grads. 557102;1394655028;pLambert;if your body is burning protein for energy, you will have to get rid of all the nitrogen somehow, which wears out your kidneys 557103;1394655046;Diablo-D3;pLambert: yes and no 557104;1394655058;Diablo-D3;pLambert: there is a level where too much protein is bad 557105;1394655060;asciilifeform;polar explorers, 'pemmican' 557106;1394655064;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09233319 = 0.277 BTC [-] {2} 557107;1394655066;Mats_cd03;http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20030317/high-protein-diets-can-hurt-kidneys 557108;1394655066;ozbot;High-Protein Diets Can Hurt Kidneys 557109;1394655074;Diablo-D3;but its a lot higher than the FDA would like you to believe 557110;1394655078;Mats_cd03;ketosis, etc 557111;1394655090;Diablo-D3;yeah, I wish people would quit trying to demonize ketosis 557112;1394655094;mircea_popescu;pLambert has it pretty much 557113;1394655098;Diablo-D3;ketosis is a good thing if you're losing weight 557114;1394655109;ThickAsThieves;hehe 557115;1394655115;mircea_popescu;Diablo-D3 it widely depends on the genetics of the individual in question 557116;1394655117;dub;if your basis for anything is the FDA you're already fucked btw 557117;1394655119;ThickAsThieves;losing weight isnt purely a good thing 557118;1394655120;Mats_cd03;the psychological effects are what most people are concerned about 557119;1394655125;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.5812616 = 14.5315 BTC [-] {3} 557120;1394655128;mircea_popescu;in general people vary metabolically two even three degrees of magnitude. 557121;1394655130;dub;those numbers don't come from science 557122;1394655134;Diablo-D3;its only an issue if you're eating the typical american diet and you have, say, diabetes 557123;1394655138;pLambert;when I did paleo, it was just a moderate amount of meat, and tons of fruit and veggies 557124;1394655141;Diablo-D3;dub: I agree, the FDA is full of shit 557125;1394655147;mircea_popescu;alcohol that'll kill a pacific islander = 0.1% of the dose well tolerated by a caucasian 557126;1394655148;mircea_popescu;etc 557127;1394655192;pLambert;say whatever you want, but if you are burning protein the nitrogen is going out of your body via urine. 557128;1394655208;mircea_popescu;some sweat. 557129;1394655209;Diablo-D3;pLambert: I agree 557130;1394655222;Diablo-D3;pLambert: but we're supposed to be burning fats and protein, not carbs 557131;1394655232;ThickAsThieves;anyone have insight as to what will happen if abnormal amounts of ginger are consumed regularly? 557132;1394655237;mircea_popescu;"supposed" 557133;1394655239;pLambert;no, burn carbs and fats, not protein 557134;1394655246;benkay;mircea_popescu: orders of magnitude you say? does this apply to intelligence? o.O 557135;1394655246;mircea_popescu;we're supposed to burn whatever we get mouths on 557136;1394655251;mircea_popescu;benkay easily. 557137;1394655252;pLambert;your brain needs glucose to work 557138;1394655257;benkay;;) 557139;1394655261;Diablo-D3;burning carbs too much doesnt work 557140;1394655265;dub;ThickAsThieves: gingervitis? sorry 557141;1394655266;Diablo-D3;its why the american diet fails 557142;1394655270;ThickAsThieves;lol 557143;1394655271;Diablo-D3;dub: argh 557144;1394655279;mircea_popescu;pLambert that is true, but it's also true a wide array of thing can be reformed into glucose 557145;1394655281;mircea_popescu;including old rags 557146;1394655321;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves probably at the worst some digestive tract inflamation 557147;1394655339;ThickAsThieves;it is an anti-inflammatory 557148;1394655350;Diablo-D3;ginger is also delicious 557149;1394655380;dub;usually too much of anything is bad 557150;1394655381;mircea_popescu;that it may be 557151;1394655390;Diablo-D3;pLambert: so, theres a blood test for this nitrogen shit, right? 557152;1394655403;ThickAsThieves;a piss test? 557153;1394655418;pLambert;you could probably have your doctor do it, but I don't think you can do it at home 557154;1394655451;pLambert;I think they look for ketones in the blood as a marker for kidney failure? 557155;1394655461;mircea_popescu;ketoacidosis is prolly picked up by diabetic tests 557156;1394655467;Diablo-D3;no not for ketones 557157;1394655476;Diablo-D3;I already did a piss test for that, havent gotten the results yet 557158;1394655482;mircea_popescu;yeah by the time you have that problem you're well screwed. 557159;1394655491;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.041 = 0.779 BTC [+] 557160;1394655501;ThickAsThieves;In normal doses, ginger may cause stomachache, diarrhea or loose stools. Recent studies have indicated that large overdoses can cause depression or an irregular heartbeat. 557161;1394655502;ThickAsThieves;People with gallstones should not use ginger without a physician's authorization. 557162;1394655506;pLambert;I'm not a doctor, I'm just a chemist 557163;1394655514;mircea_popescu;you're a chemist ?! 557164;1394655532;pLambert;yeah, why? 557165;1394655535;Diablo-D3;okay, one of these tests is "blood urea nitrogen" 557166;1394655540;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it's an irritant, right ? it may be a systemic antiinflamatory, but it inflamates teh mucuous digestive tract 557167;1394655557;mircea_popescu;no particular reason, just curious. 557168;1394655588;ThickAsThieves;it being spicy i suppose is the first indiator 557169;1394655589;ThickAsThieves;c 557170;1394655604;pLambert;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=375996.0 557171;1394655606;ozbot;I will answer chemistry questions for BTC tips 557172;1394655623;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves http://www.mega.nu/ampp/drugtext/morgan1.html grep for ginger btw 557173;1394655663;mircea_popescu;how did that go lol. lota druggies? 557174;1394655741;benkay;hey mike_c where did you get that line about liquid markets and the theft of capital? 557175;1394655765;benkay;nm foundit 557176;1394655777;ThickAsThieves;to make it more interesting, i've had joint pains in my knees for a long time 557177;1394655780;mircea_popescu;"The past few days I have been doing a model reaction reacting 1-octene with syngas (CO and H2) to make nonanal" y non anal ? 557178;1394655783;mircea_popescu;anal is good yo. 557179;1394655791;ThickAsThieves;probly how teh ginger craving began 557180;1394655831;pLambert;non-anal is not the same as nonan-al :) 557181;1394655879;mircea_popescu;hehe 557182;1394656062;ThickAsThieves;i guess i better cut back on the ginger 557183;1394656319;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves turns out it's a motor neuron toxic 557184;1394656367;benkay;(The 557185;1394656367;benkay;projections will be dazzling - the advocates will be sincere - 557186;1394656370;benkay;but, in the end, major additional investment in a terrible 557187;1394656373;benkay;industry usually is about as rewarding as struggling in 557188;1394656376;benkay;quicksand.) 557189;1394656384;ThickAsThieves;maybe i should take up pot instead 557190;1394656415;ThickAsThieves;my dad has fibromyalgia, maybe i'm getting there too 557191;1394656466;ThickAsThieves;i dont drink or do any other drugs anymore, and this seems to be leading to odd cravings 557192;1394656467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00590109 = 0.4839 BTC [+] {2} 557193;1394656483;ThickAsThieves;i think my brain is just telling me to eat away pains or something 557194;1394656509;ThickAsThieves;before ginger was strong desire for very hoppy beers 557195;1394656510;pLambert;I have heard the paleo diet gets rid of inflamations and discomforts ... 557196;1394656527;ThickAsThieves;i've heard whole food diet does same 557197;1394656531;ThickAsThieves;no meat required 557198;1394656537;mircea_popescu;just as long as you don't make a lifetime out of it i dun see what it can hurt 557199;1394656544;pLambert;you don't need meat for paleo 557200;1394656557;ThickAsThieves;d3 would surely disagree 557201;1394656595;ThickAsThieves;turns out hops are related to marijuana 557202;1394656601;ThickAsThieves;cannibinoids 557203;1394656693;ThickAsThieves;terpenoids 557204;1394656802;mircea_popescu;http://t.co/TYx0hoW7OX 557205;1394656803;ozbot;Wells Fargo made up on-demand foreclosure papers plan: court filing charges | New York Post 557206;1394656868;asciilifeform;some lost soul will try to make use of this 'revelation' and accidentally out of a window. 557207;1394656873;ThickAsThieves;too bad, they seemed to be one of the least shady banks left 557208;1394656918;mircea_popescu;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/13/world/europe/russia-reins-in-another-news-organization.html?_r=0 557209;1394656942;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves there's no less shady bank left. they are exactly equally shady, like communicating vessels 557210;1394656950;mircea_popescu;"prevailing business best practices" it's called. 557211;1394656986;asciilifeform;meanwhile, 557212;1394656986;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-crimean-crisis-and-western-bias.html 557213;1394656987;ozbot;ClubOrlov: The Crimean “Crisis” and Western Bias 557214;1394656999;asciilifeform;'The guest post from Rene last week appeared on this blog because Huffington Post refused to run it. And now I hear that no comment linking the new Ukrainian government to the neo-Nazis or the neo-Nazis to the mass murder in Kiev can get through on any news site. It seems like there is an actual news blackout on this message.' 557215;1394657003;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, "antisemite" is now an official russian govt insult 557216;1394657007;mircea_popescu;mindboggling 557217;1394657040;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's definitely a blackout, it being the message of the enemy. duh. 557218;1394657057;asciilifeform;galicia (western ua) is a curious 'nature preserve', where critters thought extinct in the 1940s roam freely. 557219;1394657069;mircea_popescu;meanwhile elsewhere, 557220;1394657070;mircea_popescu;"Former Jefferies Group managing director and senior trader, Jesse Litvak, indicted on charges of securities fraud, fraud connected to the US Troubled Asset Relief Program (Tarp) and falsifying statements to the federal government, has been convicted of defrauding investors. 557221;1394657070;mircea_popescu;A federal jury found Litvak guilty on all counts, according to media reports. The 12-member jury found Litvak guilty on 15 criminal counts, including 10 of securities fraud. The defendant had pleaded not guilty to the 15 counts." 557222;1394657074;asciilifeform;best proof of this oddity - their own www sites. 557223;1394657087;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the glatz is obviously eastern prussia, not western ua :D 557224;1394657107;asciilifeform;truly. 557225;1394657162;mircea_popescu;most of central europe is so dubious... basically you can give a 5yo a crayon and the map 557226;1394657175;mircea_popescu;whatever he draws is likely arguable as a "correct" map of the part of the world 557227;1394657233;KRS1;I cry for the 'Peans. 557228;1394657251;KRS1;This is terrible. 557229;1394657283;pLambert;My ancestors moved to the US from Bohemia, now I can't find that place on a map! 557230;1394657332;mircea_popescu;czech republic. 557231;1394657405;mircea_popescu;"Suzanne: Well, that could be. The half crazy could pertain to the sadness, but I think it was because I was so on a creative drive and the focuses were so strong in spite of any private grief I may have about my break up with Armand and the wheres and whys. There was so much other wonderful things happening. There was the activism. I was already becoming aware of recycling at a very young, young age and I might say, I 557232;1394657405;mircea_popescu;might be a pioneer in that because I was going to the Salvation Army and getting old dresses and old pieces of just cloth and making something quite wonderful out of them to dress myself, my child, and to make wonderful clothes." 557233;1394657413;mircea_popescu;how to be poor and pretend you're really enlightened, a guide. 557234;1394657417;mircea_popescu;this may come in handy. 557235;1394657504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22718 @ 0.00085433 = 19.4087 BTC [-] {2} 557236;1394657565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22632 @ 0.00085185 = 19.2791 BTC [-] 557237;1394657592;TomServo;New War Tard post finally, if anybody follows. 557238;1394657596;TomServo;http://wartard.blogspot.com/2014/03/russia-v-nato-ukraine-crimea-and-new.html 557239;1394657597;ozbot;War Tard: Russia v NATO: Ukraine, Crimea and the new Cold War. 557240;1394657691;benkay;TomServo: are you wartard? 557241;1394657702;TomServo;Nope 557242;1394657931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.6145551 = 5.531 BTC [+] {5} 557243;1394657992;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.618275 = 2.4731 BTC [+] {2} 557244;1394658053;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [+] 557245;1394658054;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32868 @ 0.00085178 = 27.9963 BTC [-] {2} 557246;1394658442;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust nubbins` 557247;1394658442;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user nubbins`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013 557248;1394658508;ThickAsThieves;;;rate nubbins` 1 Pleasure doing business, clear terms, fast turnaround, good communication (illustration project) 557249;1394658510;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nubbins` has been recorded. 557250;1394658522;nubbins`;;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 patron of the arts 557251;1394658524;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ThickAsThieves has been recorded. 557252;1394658524;nubbins`;:D 557253;1394658802;benkay;WOT in action 557254;1394658804;benkay;mah niggas 557255;1394659483;ThickAsThieves;"The London-based bitcoin news provider (Coindesk) plans to announce on Thursday that it is adding Bitfinex to its price index, which currently includes Bitstamp of Slovenia and BTC-e of Bulgaria. Bitfinex is incorporated in Hong Kong." 557256;1394659523;ThickAsThieves;http://laanwj.github.io/gox_analysis/ 557257;1394659524;ozbot;Mtgox trade data analysis 557258;1394659548;ThickAsThieves;US/China/Aus buy, Ruskies sell 557259;1394659629;wao-ender;nice 557260;1394659639;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 220 @ 0.00052955 = 0.1165 BTC [-] {5} 557261;1394659667;dub;whats the data from? 557262;1394659700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4945 @ 0.00051852 = 2.5641 BTC [-] {16} 557263;1394659761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 8009 @ 0.0005 = 4.0045 BTC [-] {3} 557264;1394659944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 486 @ 0.00045857 = 0.2229 BTC [-] {13} 557265;1394659988;ThickAsThieves;http://nude-yoga.com/gallery/#pplightbox[pp_gal]/11/ 557266;1394659988;ozbot;Naked Yoga Pictures and Nude Yoga Videos 557267;1394660004;ThickAsThieves;they take btc 557268;1394660522;nubbins`;!t h hif 557269;1394660523;assbot;[HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00040000 / 0.00050966 / 0.00056898 (16635 shares, 8.47819036 BTC), 7D: 0.00040000 / 0.00051735 / 0.00056900 (20677 shares, 10.69731961 BTC), 30D: 0.00036000 / 0.0004874 / 0.00057500 (77065 shares, 37.56136889 BTC) 557270;1394660554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 2000 @ 0.00045 = 0.9 BTC [-] 557271;1394660668;KRS1;oh kick ass you can finally see the entire female parts 557272;1394660677;nubbins`;http://www.coinometrics.com/bitcoin/btix?utm_content=bufferfd226 557273;1394660682;nubbins`;btc > western union 557274;1394660718;KRS1;cant help but wonder if you were in a studio full of womens doing naked yoga would you smell ass and vag 557275;1394660894;nubbins`;yoga pants aren't smell barriers, so i'd say it'd smell the same way yoga classes do now 557276;1394661180;diametric;nubbins`: i mean not that i'm a fan of WU or anything, but that doesn't really mean anything. I can send coins between wallets all day long and have more transaction volume than WU. 557277;1394661210;diametric;I still think its a good thing there is such transaction volume, even if it doesn't directly translate to bitcoin being exchanged and moved between people and groups. 557278;1394661697;nubbins`;nod, good point 557279;1394661817;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if there are also less wallets with most of the bitcoin in them now 557280;1394661832;ThickAsThieves;that came out weird 557281;1394661850;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if fewer addresses hold a high qty of coins 557282;1394661859;ThickAsThieves;than, say, 6mos ago 557283;1394661880;nubbins`;you'd think big wallets would get broken up over time 557284;1394661885;nubbins`;rather than the opposite 557285;1394661887;nubbins`;but who knows! 557286;1394662012;ThickAsThieves;i would think same 557287;1394662046;ThickAsThieves;merely to not have the attention of "Top 50" lists and the like 557288;1394662079;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 104 @ 0.00395 = 0.4108 BTC [-] {2} 557289;1394662401;nubbins`;"Cohen was very briefly a member of the Church of Scientology, which he had heard was a 'good place to meet women.'" 557290;1394662402;nubbins`;lel 557291;1394662557;wao-ender;M 557292;1394662558;wao-ender;<3 557293;1394662809;nubbins`;i tell ya, man 557294;1394662811;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.0061 = 0.1098 BTC [+] 557295;1394662815;nubbins`;the guy really speaks to me 557296;1394662816;nubbins`;http://www.leonardcohen.com/us/music/songs-leonard-cohen/stranger-song 557297;1394662816;ozbot;The Stranger Song | The Official Leonard Cohen Site 557298;1394662872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 847 @ 0.00016177 = 0.137 BTC [+] {9} 557299;1394662902;mircea_popescu;KRS1 ass notrly, unless they're dirty sluts. cunt sure. 557300;1394662964;nubbins`;better chance of the room smelling like dick from the two dudes who show up 557301;1394662983;mircea_popescu;nubbins` ended up in some zen thing 557302;1394662995;nubbins`;way it goes 557303;1394663019;nubbins`;got a stack full of cohen vinyl behind me and i'm sitting here humming it to myself 557304;1394663045;mircea_popescu;he's great. 557305;1394663053;nubbins`;"And you say ok the bridge or someplace later." 557306;1394663056;nubbins`;just fuckin words 557307;1394663062;nubbins`;but they send a shiver up my spine every time 557308;1394663360;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.093181 = 0.4659 BTC [+] 557309;1394663543;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00399999 = 0.48 BTC [+] 557310;1394663710;ThickAsThieves;nubbins` you ever hear PJ Harvey's album, Dry? 557311;1394663739;nubbins`;haven't listened to much pj harvey altho i've got a few friends that are really into her 557312;1394663785;ThickAsThieves;you might like the old stuff 557313;1394663795;ThickAsThieves;Dry is my favorite by far 557314;1394663804;ThickAsThieves;Rid of Me is decent too 557315;1394663828;ThickAsThieves;she got too polished after those 557316;1394663850;ThickAsThieves;i think I've already recommend Greg MacPherson to you too 557317;1394663855;ThickAsThieves;he's Canadian 557318;1394663888;ThickAsThieves;again the older stuff is better, newer stuff drifting into being too music driven 557319;1394663926;Duffer1;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_PfwVNmckc 557320;1394663926;ozbot;Tom Waits - Silent Night & Christmas Card From A Hooker In Minneapolis.mpg - YouTube 557321;1394664092;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24550 @ 0.00081889 = 20.1037 BTC [-] 557322;1394664154;ThickAsThieves;and of course I must also recommend David Bazan and Jets to Brazil 557323;1394664167;ThickAsThieves;again, the older the album the better 557324;1394664253;mircea_popescu;the older the better huh 557325;1394664266;mircea_popescu;what exactly is it in contemporaneity that fucks everything over. 557326;1394664283;nubbins`;signal to noise ratio 557327;1394664291;ThickAsThieves;i think there are many forces that make this happen 557328;1394664296;nubbins`;there's still amazing music being made, it's just harder to find 557329;1394664296;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 557330;1394664309;ThickAsThieves;usually the earlier albums have had much longer to bake 557331;1394664322;nubbins`;well, this too 557332;1394664327;nubbins`;there are plenty of old albums that are shit 557333;1394664329;ThickAsThieves;more depression and emotion went into them as well 557334;1394664334;nubbins`;we just don't remember them ;D 557335;1394664352;ThickAsThieves;i do feel depression is a great muse 557336;1394664360;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy2M_tzB20M 557337;1394664371;ThickAsThieves;other stressful emotions too 557338;1394664420;ThickAsThieves;i used to have all this music in me, but then i stopped binge drinking and dating and working for the man 557339;1394664475;Neil;ThickAsThieves: regarding # addresses with large coin - it's very stable; I've been tracking it. There is a small downtrend except for the top 500 which has been in uptrend 557340;1394664495;ThickAsThieves;interesting 557341;1394664512;ThickAsThieves;while i'm unlikely in the top 500, i wouldnt want to be known as such 557342;1394664519;mircea_popescu;because why ? 557343;1394664533;ThickAsThieves;why be a target 557344;1394664546;ThickAsThieves;what gain would it have otherwise 557345;1394664581;mircea_popescu;dude, you gotta asume your status in the world. 557346;1394664593;ThickAsThieves;do i? 557347;1394664595;Neil;Lots of outputs of size around what you spend is what you want; what's someone gonna do with a 5K address apart from break it up again? 557348;1394664597;ThickAsThieves;am i not? 557349;1394664610;mircea_popescu;well whats this "be a target" bs. 557350;1394664623;mircea_popescu;a target of what ? public worship ? 557351;1394664653;ThickAsThieves;public jealousy 557352;1394664667;Neil;mircea_popescu: Does the Romanian govt not bother you? Are they not interested tax-wise in your activities? 557353;1394664670;ThickAsThieves;wtf use do i have to be in these people's heads 557354;1394664687;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves the reason they're a problem is that their heads are full of shit. 557355;1394664727;ThickAsThieves;and seeing me on a list would affect that? 557356;1394664730;mircea_popescu;Neil i have no idea what you're asking. bother me ? why would it bother me. it's my government, it does my laundry. 557357;1394664753;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves just discussing the more general point. why should you be in their heads ? because you're cool, and they aren't./ 557358;1394664772;ThickAsThieves;it seems the shitheads would rather tear down and be in denial about those above them while observing 557359;1394664795;mircea_popescu;so then let them try. 557360;1394664800;mircea_popescu;prepare the batons, beat them bloody. 557361;1394664801;ThickAsThieves;or not! 557362;1394664804;mircea_popescu;why not ? 557363;1394664810;mircea_popescu;whose world is it, yours or theirs ? 557364;1394664828;ThickAsThieves;no one's? 557365;1394664831;ThickAsThieves;i dont know 557366;1394664839;mircea_popescu;it's gotta be someone's. 557367;1394664850;nubbins`;nah 557368;1394664856;ThickAsThieves;all i know is that anyone that might care how much coin I have, i cared too, i'd show em 557369;1394664860;nubbins`;all an illusion 557370;1394664871;ThickAsThieves;if i* 557371;1394664881;mircea_popescu;well sure 557372;1394664923;ThickAsThieves;i dont see you sharing your addresses anyway! 557373;1394664957;mircea_popescu;occasionally. 557374;1394664965;ThickAsThieves;why not openly? 557375;1394664981;ThickAsThieves;spank us with your superiority 557376;1394664984;ThickAsThieves;own your world 557377;1394664995;Duffer1;i thought that's what trilema was for 557378;1394665003;ThickAsThieves;dont give him an out 557379;1394665007;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: You've got to make some openly know, others less openly known. Just in case someone with the means for abduction possesses a soldering iron. 557380;1394665008;Duffer1;:P 557381;1394665012;mircea_popescu;lol he really got butthurt. 557382;1394665020;mircea_popescu;what, srsly, does it look to you like i ain't ? 557383;1394665031;mircea_popescu;"Odi Kosmatos 2m @bitcoinpete @Mircea_Popescu (previous knee-jerk tweet deleted) Hi Mircea, are you the guy who thinks everyone else is stupid? Appropriate!" 557384;1394665045;ThickAsThieves;no just surprised i didnt note the hypocrisy til now 557385;1394665057;mircea_popescu;what's so hypocratical about it! 557386;1394665074;ThickAsThieves;i think i already pointed out what 557387;1394665089;ThickAsThieves;you are not practicing what you are preaching 557388;1394665105;mircea_popescu;but i dun see it, i mean what exactly ? mpex has at least one well known inbound address, it shows however many btc 557389;1394665117;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2014#555879 557390;1394665117;ThickAsThieves;cmon 557391;1394665120;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 557392;1394665122;mircea_popescu;what! 557393;1394665137;ThickAsThieves;you say why not be on a list of top holders, show the shitheads the world is yours 557394;1394665143;ThickAsThieves;well, show us 557395;1394665150;ThickAsThieves;if not, why not? 557396;1394665153;mircea_popescu;... 557397;1394665163;Neil;mircea_popescu: You mix wallets right? Inbound on bitbet could be outbound on mpex and vice versa. 557398;1394665168;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Aren't his MPOE holdings largely public? 557399;1394665181;mircea_popescu;Neil notrly. 557400;1394665187;Neil;BingoBoingo: MPOE holdings aren't BTC. 557401;1394665190;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 1.66964413 BTC to 21`469 shares, 7777 satoshi per share 557402;1394665191;pizzaman1337;BingoBoingo: but MPOE holdings are only "paper" BTC, not actual btc 557403;1394665194;ThickAsThieves;he makes no concrete statement as to what belongs to what 557404;1394665214;ThickAsThieves;an mpex addy could be for the members 557405;1394665215;mircea_popescu;pizzaman1337 so that substantially changes anything ? 557406;1394665233;ThickAsThieves;no one really knows how many btc mp has or claims to have 557407;1394665238;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321265.msg3449849#msg3449849 557408;1394665239;ThickAsThieves;which was exactly the topic 557409;1394665240;ozbot;Bitcoin TOP-500 Richest 557410;1394665243;mircea_popescu;there, how bad is that. 557411;1394665244;pizzaman1337;mircea_popescu: yeah, because in practice it can't all be turned into real btc at market rates 557412;1394665250;Neil;mircea_popescu: Coz you spent a huge output for the big payout on bitbet; it wasn't an input to anything plausible on bitbet in its history. So bitbet's wallet it definitely being mixed with something else - yours or mpoe's or ... 557413;1394665251;ThickAsThieves;that i dont want anyone to know what i have in that context 557414;1394665272;mircea_popescu;Neil bitbet had 500+ bets iirc. how much was this ? 557415;1394665278;Neil;1800 557416;1394665278;ThickAsThieves;the context being a list of wallet addresses 557417;1394665289;ThickAsThieves;not a forum post of market caps 557418;1394665311;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i think you prolly took an angle of what i said and run off with it. 557419;1394665321;mircea_popescu;ran* 557420;1394665323;ThickAsThieves;if that;s how you wanna play it 557421;1394665335;ThickAsThieves;i'm not gonna beat a dead horse over it 557422;1394665335;Neil;https://blockchain.info/tx/b94eaf3c16ad7dd35ea3b9e11a70cf9172adf4898c9b4db90761ef4ba327e777 557423;1394665337;ThickAsThieves;just funny 557424;1394665337;mircea_popescu;i wasn't even aware im playin. 557425;1394665339;Neil;1868 from a single addy 557426;1394665342;ozbot;Bitcoin Transaction b94eaf3c16ad7dd35ea3b9e11a70cf9172adf4898c9b4db90761ef4ba327e777 557427;1394665367;ThickAsThieves;it's more fun to me to not know anyway 557428;1394665380;ThickAsThieves;knowing doesnt really matter, to me at least 557429;1394665389;mircea_popescu;Neil that's just a function of how the payouts on large bets work. 557430;1394665389;ThickAsThieves;i believe you have plenty 557431;1394665392;mircea_popescu;this was the diff bet no ? 557432;1394665426;Neil;mircea_popescu: Meaning what exactly? 557433;1394665452;Neil;Doesn't seem to me that came from people betting on bitbet; that's my only point. 557434;1394665471;mircea_popescu;https://blockchain.info/address/1PQgp6UkeeqGvU6TSseYs2nR28xQmfkFQN 557435;1394665472;ozbot;Bitcoin Address 1PQgp6UkeeqGvU6TSseYs2nR28xQmfkFQN 557436;1394665491;mircea_popescu;that address often disburses payouts. it's like an outbound gateway 557437;1394665589;Neil;One of the inputs to that address used for the payout was 4368 BTC; which is like 40% of bitbet volume at that time... 557438;1394665604;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves anyway, it wasn't some sort of "omg you're a bad person", it was more of a "why the fuck would you be shy of the world. fuck em." 557439;1394665629;mircea_popescu;Neil yeah bitbet got seeded originally, so as to build this situation it enjoys today where it has a large pool. 557440;1394665634;ThickAsThieves;i think i came off more defensive than i actually am 557441;1394665645;mircea_popescu;mtgox runs on 1/4 of deposits, bitbet runs on 4x. fractional reserve ftw. 557442;1394665679;ThickAsThieves;you asked why be shy, i said why, you said yeah but, then i asked well why are you shy? 557443;1394665708;mircea_popescu;seems kinda nutty to ask me why i'm shy dunnit ? 557444;1394665714;mircea_popescu;because im too over the top as is. 557445;1394665736;ThickAsThieves;not sure what that means 557446;1394665739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00608 = 0.1763 BTC [-] 557447;1394665764;mircea_popescu;well it's good enough, i'll use this as a convenient reference to show that at least one person in zee werld thinks im shy. 557448;1394665783;ThickAsThieves;i mean i know you do your part to spank the idiots and seize your day 557449;1394665799;ThickAsThieves;but that doesnt exactly explain why me not showing addresses is questionable 557450;1394665800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 87 @ 0.00607997 = 0.529 BTC [-] {2} 557451;1394665804;ThickAsThieves;nor why you dont either 557452;1394665833;mircea_popescu;the exact implementation is left as an exercise to the reader 557453;1394665862;mircea_popescu;<ThickAsThieves> while i'm unlikely in the top 500, i wouldnt want to be known as such << this is the line that sparked the discussion 557454;1394665868;ThickAsThieves;yes 557455;1394665874;mircea_popescu;it's not some sort of technical explanation of address showing. 557456;1394665880;mircea_popescu;it's just a general point about being known as such. 557457;1394665881;ThickAsThieves;and i further qualified it 557458;1394665885;ThickAsThieves;with not wanting to be a target 557459;1394665903;mircea_popescu;fuck em. 557460;1394665912;ThickAsThieves;sure 557461;1394665917;mircea_popescu;no but i mean literally. 557462;1394665920;ThickAsThieves;but why arent you fucking them 557463;1394665924;mircea_popescu;... 557464;1394665926;ThickAsThieves;with your address 557465;1394665945;ThickAsThieves;no matter how we cut it, a reason can be distilled 557466;1394665946;mircea_popescu;why am i not fucking them in particular X manner you'd prefer ? because i'm me. 557467;1394665948;mircea_popescu;what of it. 557468;1394665951;ThickAsThieves;one which you are dancing around 557469;1394665978;ThickAsThieves;i'm only asking because i suspect your reasons arent much different than mine 557470;1394665979;ThickAsThieves;if at all 557471;1394665996;mircea_popescu;like how ? 557472;1394666021;ThickAsThieves;like you;'d prefer people not know exactly how much coin you have and what addy you keep it in 557473;1394666029;ThickAsThieves;if it's even one 557474;1394666041;mircea_popescu;these are reasons ? 557475;1394666044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 41 @ 0.041 = 1.681 BTC [+] 557476;1394666080;ThickAsThieves;no they are motivations 557477;1394666086;ThickAsThieves;to not share the info 557478;1394666177;ThickAsThieves;we're just dancing anyway, i don't see any other way to interpret this 557479;1394666190;pizzaman1337;flirting 557480;1394666233;mircea_popescu;weird. wild. 557481;1394666257;ThickAsThieves;whether i am perfectly articulating my case, or presenting it in the exact way to get a straight answer, you do know what I am saying 557482;1394666280;mircea_popescu;nowai. srsly ? 557483;1394666314;ThickAsThieves;if i am remotely accurate in my estimation of your intelligence, yes 557484;1394666350;ThickAsThieves;i guess it does usually take a lot of kicking and screaming on the occassions you do give in though... so maybe i'm wring 557485;1394666352;ThickAsThieves;wrong* 557486;1394666353;mircea_popescu;tbh what i perceive is the matter here is that you live in an environment where poor black dudes stare you down as a daily routine, and i just said "da fuck is this, you stare THEM down mothefucker! they're poor, not you" which created a little disonance 557487;1394666434;ThickAsThieves;:/ 557488;1394666449;mdwu;what is the difference between a poor and rich person besides their net worth? 557489;1394666458;ThickAsThieves;even if that's what it boiled down to 557490;1394666468;ThickAsThieves;the reason the conversation continued, 557491;1394666471;mircea_popescu;mdwu that the poor person likely sucks. 557492;1394666489;ThickAsThieves;is searching for why your reasons for hiding are different 557493;1394666514;mircea_popescu;that hiding'd be entirely of your projection. 557494;1394666550;ThickAsThieves;then why is it you do not display your coins 557495;1394666561;ThickAsThieves;this is not a projection on my part 557496;1394666569;ThickAsThieves;it's what I observe 557497;1394666610;mircea_popescu;but to some degree i do. 557498;1394666616;pizzaman1337;this is just a striptease to see MP's bitcoin dick. We can't be impressed without a little build-up. 557499;1394666618;ThickAsThieves;maybe i'm just ignorant and everyone knows your addies but me, and youre just fucking with me 557500;1394666628;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you know the mpex addy, neh ? 557501;1394666637;mircea_popescu;i just made a comment re the bitbet addies, you can tally those up, they're published 557502;1394666638;ThickAsThieves;ive dug up some in the past 557503;1394666646;mircea_popescu;its in the faq innit ? 557504;1394666663;ThickAsThieves;i dont believe there is a known addy that is definitively your coins 557505;1394666667;ThickAsThieves;just company ones 557506;1394666684;ThickAsThieves;which i assume also represent user funds 557507;1394666692;asciilifeform;what useful thing could one hope to achieve by dropping pants and publicly displaying bitcock? 557508;1394666705;ThickAsThieves;this was my initial question as well 557509;1394666708;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the usual purpose one obtains doing that lol. 557510;1394666712;mircea_popescu;fucking something or the other 557511;1394666717;asciilifeform;seems like a proposition that's purely lose-lose, like sticking hand in a bear trap. 557512;1394666743;ThickAsThieves;the answer i got was essentially to put idiots in their place 557513;1394666751;asciilifeform;you might do it to demonstrate an indestructible robotic prosthesis, but otherwise it's pointless 557514;1394666765;mircea_popescu;we weren't actually discussing that, i dun think. 557515;1394666779;mircea_popescu;somehow the entire show me your cock thing got shoehorn into a slightly different discusison 557516;1394666782;mircea_popescu;for w/e reason. 557517;1394666805;ThickAsThieves;like i said before, youve got a reason for not publishing your personal wealth, if you dont want to say the reason, that's fine 557518;1394666811;ThickAsThieves;but just say that 557519;1394666811;*;asciilifeform goes back to tweaking PLL clock on cardano 557520;1394666860;ThickAsThieves;dont make it like you are and arent at the same time 557521;1394666876;mircea_popescu;going back to the forum link in question... it's reasonably published 557522;1394666889;mdwu;MP: will you turn mpex options back on at some point? or is it gone for good? 557523;1394666901;mircea_popescu;mdwu once there's a usable, meaningful spot yeah 557524;1394666949;mdwu;did you turn it off because it was too much hassle to hedge the big short order last money? 557525;1394666961;*;ThickAsThieves gives up. 557526;1394666963;mircea_popescu;didja read the feb report ? 557527;1394666969;mdwu;last month* 557528;1394666970;mdwu;yeah 557529;1394666970;Duffer1;so.. i'm on the phone with Lilliput now should i cancel the gang or not? 557530;1394666992;mircea_popescu;mdwu well that's about all that's been said on the topic. 557531;1394667027;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 is that like the island next to blehFU ? 557532;1394667052;Duffer1;yea 557533;1394667078;Duffer1;perhaps a bit too obscure to be funny :P 557534;1394667254;mircea_popescu;what was Apocalyptic's exchange, bt-x ? 557535;1394667264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00082029 = 11.5661 BTC [+] 557536;1394667282;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: x-bt.com 557537;1394667283;mircea_popescu;http://bt-c.com/ 557538;1394667284;ozbot;BT Company 557539;1394667289;mircea_popescu;check out the lamborghini textiles 557540;1394667332;asciilifeform;s/lamb/trabamb 557541;1394667400;mircea_popescu;ironically these may be the genuine article. 557542;1394667414;mircea_popescu;ie, actual lohn provider with a dumbass website. 557543;1394668498;bitcoinpete;"Exotic dancers are flocking here from as far away as Russia for the same reason as everyone else - to make their fortune in a place known as Kuwait on the Prairie." 557544;1394668506;bitcoinpete;http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25983917 557545;1394668507;ozbot;BBC News - North Dakota oil boom: American Dream on ice 557546;1394668517;bitcoinpete;"Strippers can earn $2,500 (£1,500) per shift here, says a bouncer." 557547;1394668606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15870 @ 0.00081992 = 13.0121 BTC [-] {2} 557548;1394668728;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1623 @ 0.00012875 = 0.209 BTC [-] {9} 557549;1394668820;mircea_popescu;strippers can earn a coupla k's per shift anywhere, wtf. 557550;1394669026;Diablo-D3;yeah thats like 557551;1394669031;Diablo-D3;half what a good stripper can do in nyc 557552;1394669038;Diablo-D3;a third what a good stripper in LA can do 557553;1394669094;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0039 = 0.2145 BTC [-] {3} 557554;1394669095;bitcoinpete;The difference: competition 557555;1394669108;Diablo-D3;yeah, theres way more of it in nyc and la 557556;1394669155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.093181 = 0.3727 BTC [+] 557557;1394669338;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0062381 = 0.1185 BTC [-] 557558;1394669570;nubbins`;twist: mp has no personal wealth and pays his harem w/ mpoe stock 557559;1394669583;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00081889 = 16.0093 BTC [-] 557560;1394669610;nubbins`;^ that was one of 'em buying some shoes 557561;1394669624;benkay;nice shoes. 557562;1394669653;nubbins`;well more than one pair obv 557563;1394669666;nubbins`;save on shipping, y'know? 557564;1394669764;herbijudlestoids;hullo 557565;1394669775;herbijudlestoids;just dropped in to make sure youre all behaving :) 557566;1394669804;nubbins`;barely 557567;1394669805;ThickAsThieves;as best we can 557568;1394669822;ThickAsThieves;nubbins` mp lost all the coinz on gox i guess 557569;1394669826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00081803 = 17.5876 BTC [-] {2} 557570;1394669834;nubbins`;lel 557571;1394669895;mircea_popescu;16 btc gets you some cool shoes 557572;1394669898;mircea_popescu;herbijudlestoids how goes ? 557573;1394669925;ThickAsThieves;http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/12/oklahoma-fox-station-removes-evolution-from-cosmos-by-cutting-only-15-seconds/ 557574;1394669925;ozbot;Oklahoma Fox station removes evolution from ‘Cosmos’ by cutting only 15 seconds | The Raw Sto 557575;1394670050;asciilifeform;;;ticker --ask --currency USD 557576;1394670052;gribble;633.99 557577;1394670066;asciilifeform;;;calc 633.99 * 16.0093 557578;1394670066;gribble;10149.736107 557579;1394670143;asciilifeform;;;calc 10149.736107 / 6.53 557580;1394670143;gribble;1554.32405926 557581;1394670192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [+] 557582;1394670226;asciilifeform;;;calc 10149.736107 / 682.24 557583;1394670226;gribble;14.8770756728 557584;1394670242;asciilifeform;ok, enough for a silver toilet. 557585;1394670250;ThickAsThieves;http://www.neimanmarcus.com/Christian-Louboutin-Snakilta-Spiked-Red-Sole-Ankle-Boot-Black-Matte-Shoes/prod162100114_cat39620738__/p.prod?icid=&searchType=EndecaDrivenCat&rte=%252Fcategory.jsp%253FitemId%253Dcat39620738%2526pageSize%253D30%2526No%253D0%2526refinements%253D&eItemId=prod162100114&cmCat=product 557586;1394670251;ozbot;Request Rejected 557587;1394670260;asciilifeform;or a public room full of copper ones... 557588;1394670261;mircea_popescu;lolwut 557589;1394670268;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/208sss/say_hello_to_2014_bitcointalk_i_created/ 557590;1394670268;ozbot;Say Hello to 2014, Bitcointalk. I created Bitcointa.lk, a real alternative to Bitcointalk.org. 5 mil 557591;1394670273;nubbins`;smh 557592;1394670290;ThickAsThieves;jpcham made it i think 557593;1394670296;nubbins`;not sure why 557594;1394670300;ThickAsThieves;me either 557595;1394670303;nubbins`;heh. 557596;1394670308;nubbins`;well then! 557597;1394670308;ThickAsThieves;i think he wanted to solve the content problem 557598;1394670312;ThickAsThieves;by copying all of it 557599;1394670319;ThickAsThieves;but feels almost more hollow for it 557600;1394670331;nubbins`;maybe he can add content from goat's private forum too 557601;1394670409;cazalla;default xenforo.. impressive 557602;1394670438;*;nubbins` nods 557603;1394670572;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/4s70vPm.jpg 557604;1394670588;benkay;lawlz 557605;1394670595;herbijudlestoids;mircea_popescu: yea good thx. big business coming in now 557606;1394670601;mircea_popescu;cool./ 557607;1394670608;benkay;jcpham mirror the goatforum too 557608;1394670610;herbijudlestoids;about to deploy a very very very large IaaS cloud 557609;1394670616;herbijudlestoids;how about yall 557610;1394670782;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4odIPqfh6I 557611;1394670782;ozbot;Big Business - 'Here Come The Waterworks' (Full Album HD) - YouTube 557612;1394670793;nubbins`;two of these guys are in the melvins 557613;1394670815;nubbins`;don't bother clicking ;( 557614;1394670829;herbijudlestoids;i cant wait to be rich, so i can finally get a seat on mpex 557615;1394670846;nubbins`;heh 557616;1394670866;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/gitagovinda/statuses/443741163682418688 557617;1394670866;ozbot;Twitter / gitagovinda: .@coreypein wants to post this ... 557618;1394670869;mircea_popescu;wont be long nao 557619;1394670891;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: Have you considered getting back into ATC trading? 557620;1394670903;nubbins`;hahah 557621;1394670910;nubbins`;bingo, :0 557622;1394670922;BingoBoingo;Spread's gotten closer https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc 557623;1394670965;herbijudlestoids;BingoBoingo: no time for such shenanigans 557624;1394670967;nubbins`;"The Brighton-based Argus took a question from a reader obsessed with the fragile truce between man and caprine, and somehow misattributed it to Richard Robinson, the director of the Brighton Science Festival." 557625;1394670980;herbijudlestoids;i have been busy busy 557626;1394670981;nubbins`;Robinson's comment on the mixup: 557627;1394670986;nubbins`;"I'm afraid I cannot address your problem. I have much more important things to think about just now: sea urchins, hordes of them, with their evil poisoned spines, there in the sea, just out of view, waiting… waiting…" 557628;1394670996;BingoBoingo;herbijudlestoids: If there isn't time for shennanigans, there isn't time at all 557629;1394671002;herbijudlestoids;there isnt time lol! 557630;1394671006;herbijudlestoids;flat chat 557631;1394671012;herbijudlestoids;but i missed you guys :D 557632;1394671027;BingoBoingo;When I have my uranium mines I will fill them with the shennanigan-less 557633;1394671046;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58521002 BTC [-] 557634;1394671056;nubbins`;was in a band once called Goat, the Provider 557635;1394671065;BingoBoingo;If uranium is even what I have mined. Maybe I'll just have lead mines or something 557636;1394671085;Diablo-D3;I want a hot woman mine 557637;1394671087;nubbins`;if you lead, i'll follow 557638;1394671113;herbijudlestoids;anyway, i need to get some breakfast in me and crack on with my worx. 557639;1394671127;herbijudlestoids;be good, hopefully see yas soon :) 557640;1394671197;nubbins`;getting some nice submissions for our next zine 557641;1394671595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00081556 = 9.5421 BTC [-] 557642;1394671839;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.041 = 0.205 BTC [+] 557643;1394672022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20277 @ 0.00081537 = 16.5333 BTC [-] 557644;1394672144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3427 @ 0.003716 = 12.7347 BTC [-] {30} 557645;1394672205;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 16074 @ 0.00317261 = 50.9965 BTC [-] {62} 557646;1394672266;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0062302 = 0.1246 BTC [-] {2} 557647;1394672693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00299999 = 0.3 BTC [-] 557648;1394673058;mircea_popescu;o look at that, under par 557649;1394673120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59001003 BTC [+] 557650;1394673379;bitcoinpete;tiger? 557651;1394673425;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00299999 = 9 BTC [-] {2} 557652;1394673474;nubbins`;19btc ask wall at par 557653;1394673486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1200 @ 0.003 = 3.6 BTC [+] 557654;1394673547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-] 557655;1394673548;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1188 @ 0.003 = 3.564 BTC [+] {2} 557656;1394673559;nubbins`;coin funds finally released from escrow 557657;1394673561;*;nubbins` claps 557658;1394673608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00081512 = 13.7755 BTC [-] {2} 557659;1394673608;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4200 @ 0.003 = 12.6 BTC [+] 557660;1394673632;bitcoinpete;S.MPOE seems to be all over the place of late. 557661;1394673640;bitcoinpete;Is it always this volatile? 557662;1394673667;mircea_popescu;was a lot more tepid prior to feb statement. 557663;1394673669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.003 = 0.156 BTC [+] {2} 557664;1394673694;bitcoinpete;mmm still, a hell of a wallet service 557665;1394673730;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.003 = 0.3 BTC [+] 557666;1394673852;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 222 @ 0.003 = 0.666 BTC [+] {2} 557667;1394673913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.003 = 0.3 BTC [+] 557668;1394673974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48050 @ 0.0008158 = 39.1992 BTC [+] {2} 557669;1394674035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.00591002 = 0.2896 BTC [-] 557670;1394674061;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/rachel-canning-u-s-student-who-sued-parents-for-support-returns-home-1.2570514 557671;1394674062;ozbot;Rachel Canning, U.S. student who sued parents for support, returns home - World - CBC News 557672;1394674063;nubbins`;my sides 557673;1394674279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 453 @ 0.003 = 1.359 BTC [+] 557674;1394674828;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.58487999 = 2.9244 BTC [-] {5} 557675;1394674889;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5823 = 1.1646 BTC [-] 557676;1394674950;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58112 = 1.7434 BTC [-] 557677;1394675072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+] 557678;1394675073;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 108 @ 0.005911 = 0.6384 BTC [-] {2} 557679;1394675096;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/on-making-bitcoin-accessible-or-not/ 557680;1394675097;ozbot;On Making Bitcoin Accessible. Or Not. | When Bitcoin Met Pete 557681;1394675113;bitcoinpete;Newest blog post 557682;1394675148;bitcoinpete;Anchored by Buffet's 1983 letter to shareholders 557683;1394675377;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 93 @ 0.00623006 = 0.5794 BTC [-] {4} 557684;1394675682;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49400 @ 0.00081402 = 40.2126 BTC [-] {3} 557685;1394675816;mircea_popescu;not a bad anchor 557686;1394676536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.000812 = 11.8958 BTC [-] 557687;1394676841;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 131 @ 0.00349999 = 0.4585 BTC [+] {2} 557688;1394676895;thestringpuller;ls 557689;1394676899;thestringpuller;oops 557690;1394676902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17309 @ 0.00081611 = 14.126 BTC [+] 557691;1394676963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2803 @ 0.00081712 = 2.2904 BTC [+] 557692;1394677207;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 182 @ 0.0035 = 0.637 BTC [+] {3} 557693;1394677573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16797 @ 0.0008184 = 13.7467 BTC [+] {2} 557694;1394677635;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14553 @ 0.000819 = 11.9189 BTC [+] 557695;1394677939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.60886534 = 3.0443 BTC [+] {5} 557696;1394678000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61699495 = 2.468 BTC [+] {3} 557697;1394678061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.61816663 = 3.709 BTC [+] {3} 557698;1394678122;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.61951235 = 17.3463 BTC [+] {5} 557699;1394678133;KRS1;.bait 557700;1394678135;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/df0567c5ebf94a4f1db713c26e9c00ab/tumblr_mi6zs1zHVq1qz9pzzo1_1280.jpg 557701;1394678145;KRS1;.bait 557702;1394678146;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/3eaef9209e0a4791b2bace7769a3b895/tumblr_mhs703VuFQ1qk50iuo1_1280.jpg 557703;1394678227;BingoBoingo;.d 557704;1394678227;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 2014 blocks | Estimated Change: -14.4080% in 15d 23h 56m 54s 557705;1394678281;MisterE;who wants some rare earth? 557706;1394678284;MisterE;oops 557707;1394678288;MisterE;disregard 557708;1394678559;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Which one in particular? 557709;1394678583;MisterE;magnetic kind? 557710;1394678593;MisterE;is there another? 557711;1394678607;MisterE;maybe I should wiki at lest 557712;1394678612;MisterE;before brokering lol 557713;1394678631;BingoBoingo;Well, if you were selling the other kind, I would suggest Bitcoin might not be mature enough for that yet... 557714;1394678671;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00359 = 0.3518 BTC [+] 557715;1394678683;MisterE;whats the other kind do? 557716;1394678704;MisterE;US needs to find more of this stuff 557717;1394678720;MisterE;like, yesterday 557718;1394678834;BingoBoingo;MisterE: The other stuff is the transuranic stuff... 557719;1394678860;BingoBoingo;Prolly 5-10 years before Bitcoin is mature enough for it at least, maybe 20 557720;1394678901;MisterE;hgher atomic number than uranium? 557721;1394678908;MisterE;sounds like a regulation hassle 557722;1394678931;BingoBoingo;like I suggested, BTC prolly not ready yet 557723;1394679001;BingoBoingo;Especially when Ver is tripping balls and thinking he is Dr. Richard Kimble 557724;1394679054;mod6;haha 557725;1394679123;BingoBoingo;When Ver can protect his Island with a fleet of Hind Hella Choppas then we can talk transuranic 557726;1394679126;MisterE;BingoBoingo: do I know you from another tracker? 557727;1394679131;MisterE;and whois Ver? 557728;1394679139;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Tracker? 557729;1394679145;MisterE;yea 557730;1394679153;MisterE;WHat or BTN? 557731;1394679175;MisterE;bit torrent tracker 557732;1394679183;BingoBoingo;MisterE: I do this chan, was on CoinChat before TF went scam, and I blog at http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/ 557733;1394679191;MisterE;ahh ok 557734;1394679197;MisterE;cool url 557735;1394679205;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Someone else with this nick is some HS aged gamer kid 557736;1394679216;BingoBoingo;I dun torrent. 557737;1394679222;MisterE;yea think I have met them ;/ 557738;1394679230;MisterE;dont torrent? 557739;1394679231;MisterE;wow 557740;1394679283;BingoBoingo;Eh, the streaming sites provide the content without putting me in a position to be distributing it. I dun think the risk reward for torrenting the wrong this is a good value proposition in my jurisdiction. 557741;1394679317;MisterE;oh so you stream 557742;1394679340;BingoBoingo;I watch streaming shit. If stuff isn't on Hulu I'll watch it somewhere else. 557743;1394679350;BingoBoingo;It's how I keep up with Archer. 557744;1394679352;MisterE;I have a site for you 557745;1394679372;artifexd;And if it isn't available for streaming, just about everything available via torrent is available via nntp 557746;1394679376;BingoBoingo;I dunno, you kind of sound like 5-0 557747;1394679588;nubbins`;heh 557748;1394679594;nubbins`;ACAB 557749;1394679612;MisterE;finally found it BingoBoingo http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/11/popcorn-time-is-like-netflix-for-pirated-content/?ncid=rss 557750;1394679647;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38379 @ 0.00081071 = 31.1142 BTC [-] {3} 557751;1394679701;BingoBoingo;MisterE: I'd want to know more about how their site and player are architected, but that could just easily be some podunk law firm fishing for ip's to gather for one of those mass John Doe suits. 557752;1394679724;BingoBoingo;Shady, foreign, and streaming is the way to be 557753;1394679728;MisterE;they dont do those anymore 557754;1394679738;MisterE;not very good RPR 557755;1394679744;MisterE;PR* 557756;1394679748;BingoBoingo;No, they don't do some kinds of those in some jurisdictions 557757;1394679751;MisterE;now they go after you thru your isp 557758;1394679776;BingoBoingo;Well, if I am my own ISP that would suck wouldn't it... 557759;1394679819;asciilifeform;phun phact. only consumer ISPs are part of the 'n strikes' pact. 557760;1394679840;MisterE;haha so it's all about going after the little guy 557761;1394679849;MisterE;just like drm is about fucking legit buyers 557762;1394679853;asciilifeform;rent a $20 box in some godforsaken rack, bounce packets off that. 557763;1394679856;MisterE;stupid industry 557764;1394679865;MisterE;slingbox 557765;1394679907;MisterE;I prefer a .mp4 file I can play at my convenience 557766;1394680074;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.040082 = 0.2004 BTC [-] {3} 557767;1394680440;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00604998 = 0.127 BTC [+] {3} 557768;1394680562;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5930147 = 1.779 BTC [-] {3} 557769;1394680623;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.593008 BTC [-] 557770;1394682209;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.003315 = 0.4542 BTC [-] {2} 557771;1394682636;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.003315 = 0.1227 BTC [-] 557772;1394683246;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5925 BTC [-] 557773;1394683307;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5922 BTC [-] 557774;1394683429;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5922 = 2.3688 BTC [-] 557775;1394683612;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5922 BTC [-] 557776;1394683673;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.00584171 = 0.59 BTC [-] {8} 557777;1394683734;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00570008 = 0.228 BTC [-] 557778;1394683735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5922 BTC [-] 557779;1394683917;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 48 @ 0.59110459 = 28.373 BTC [-] {5} 557780;1394684344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.592 BTC [+] 557781;1394684405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.0008116 = 4.9508 BTC [+] 557782;1394684466;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5922 BTC [+] 557783;1394685381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26650 @ 0.00081024 = 21.5929 BTC [-] {4} 557784;1394685991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22468 @ 0.0008101 = 18.2013 BTC [-] 557785;1394687028;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41027 @ 0.00081034 = 33.2458 BTC [+] {2} 557786;1394687272;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 149 @ 0.00333 = 0.4962 BTC [-] {3} 557787;1394687577;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00348997 = 0.4188 BTC [+] {2} 557788;1394687638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0909995 = 0.182 BTC [-] {2} 557789;1394687882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00333 = 0.1166 BTC [-] {2} 557790;1394688126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35750 @ 0.00080948 = 28.9389 BTC [-] {2} 557791;1394688248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37005 @ 0.00081093 = 30.0085 BTC [+] 557792;1394688699;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/12/an-overview-of-betable-sports-part-1-baseball/ 557793;1394688704;ozbot;An Overview of Betable Sports Part 1: Baseball | Bingo Blog 557794;1394689407;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56100 @ 0.00080735 = 45.2923 BTC [-] {4} 557795;1394689423;KRS1;.bait 557796;1394689424;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/0ca88e524f2463725ceaeac331d25aa9/tumblr_msufbwEiAp1qz9pzzo1_1280.jpg 557797;1394689438;KRS1;per-fect 557798;1394689468;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5922 BTC [+] 557799;1394689956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00081093 = 5.0278 BTC [+] 557800;1394691359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37035 @ 0.00080542 = 29.8287 BTC [-] {2} 557801;1394692030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12960 @ 0.00080536 = 10.4375 BTC [-] 557802;1394695019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00079084 = 22.3808 BTC [-] 557803;1394695507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00079084 = 6.8012 BTC [-] 557804;1394696226;dub;!ticker mp s.mpoe 557805;1394696226;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00079084 / 0.0008372 / 0.00087133 (1436246 shares, 1,202.44 BTC), 7D: 0.000745 / 0.00086275 / 0.0008865 (7303643 shares, 6,301.26 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00086336 / 0.0008982 (30334850 shares, 26,190.02 BTC) 557806;1394697886;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08510015 = 0.1702 BTC [-] {2} 557807;1394698374;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26832 @ 0.00079232 = 21.2595 BTC [+] 557808;1394698801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 24 @ 0.00623014 = 0.1495 BTC [+] {3} 557809;1394699167;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67034 @ 0.00079568 = 53.3376 BTC [+] {4} 557810;1394700021;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 130 @ 0.00368975 = 0.4797 BTC [+] {5} 557811;1394700448;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00375662 = 0.5635 BTC [+] {6} 557812;1394700509;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.00385732 = 0.8602 BTC [+] {5} 557813;1394701005;jurov;;;prevdiffchange 557814;1394701008;gribble;11.38694 557815;1394701316;BingoBoingo;.d 557816;1394701316;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1964 blocks | Estimated Change: 29.2943% in 9d 15h 15m 43s 557817;1394701363;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.0001509 = 0.1207 BTC [+] 557818;1394702156;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38100 @ 0.00080065 = 30.5048 BTC [+] {2} 557819;1394702888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9217 @ 0.00080035 = 7.3768 BTC [-] 557820;1394703193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15098 @ 0.00079596 = 12.0174 BTC [-] 557821;1394703254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20429 @ 0.0007929 = 16.1982 BTC [-] 557822;1394703254;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6047 BTC [+] 557823;1394703498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24922 @ 0.00079205 = 19.7395 BTC [-] {3} 557824;1394704230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00079148 = 32.5298 BTC [-] {2} 557825;1394704901;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07 = 2.45 BTC [+] 557826;1394704902;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00079505 = 23.613 BTC [+] {2} 557827;1394706914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14370 @ 0.00079543 = 11.4303 BTC [+] 557828;1394707789;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete the quote is good, but why does it come with a lower scrollbar ? it's unreadable this way. 557829;1394707789;gribble;The operation succeeded. 557830;1394707904;mircea_popescu;also it's dubious practice that you take the painstaking care to mention whatever bitcoiny site but somehow omit to point out on what venue you heard this entire thing about berkshire. 557831;1394707907;mircea_popescu;that's not how it's done. 557832;1394708837;mircea_popescu;"2 of my students wrote a Google Glass trojan that secretly takes photos and uploads them to a 3rd party. Oh, and got it into the Play store." 557833;1394708838;mircea_popescu;lol. 557834;1394709311;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo clearly loves baseball :D 557835;1394709337;mircea_popescu;"great conflict between the Apollonian grace and Dionysian chaos is a root of great art", listen to that, you've made generations of middle aged jocks tear up. 557836;1394709374;mircea_popescu;if only you were there, o cyrano of bingoiac, to whisper in their ear at '80s raves and whatnot. all the professional cunt they could've ravished... 557837;1394709903;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40180 @ 0.00079543 = 31.9604 BTC [+] 557838;1394710269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3953 @ 0.00079552 = 3.1447 BTC [+] {2} 557839;1394710269;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2} 557840;1394710330;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.039735 = 0.2384 BTC [-] {3} 557841;1394710391;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.09199956 = 0.46 BTC [+] {3} 557842;1394710531;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I plan on covering most of the sports. Next is probably Basketball because it is the least betable. 557843;1394710658;BingoBoingo;Well, least betable if you discount football/soccer because that shit ends in a draw way too often 557844;1394710757;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00079551 = 18.8934 BTC [-] {2} 557845;1394711473;MisterE_;http://i.imgur.com/XnCdLF9.jpg?1 557846;1394711966;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo how come you're not actually trying to run a book then ? is it illegal where you live or something ? 557847;1394711977;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.0036 = 0.4464 BTC [-] {6} 557848;1394712038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.0038391 = 0.4952 BTC [+] {6} 557849;1394712465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.58223275 = 4.6579 BTC [-] {5} 557850;1394712526;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58000015 = 1.16 BTC [-] {2} 557851;1394712587;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07 = 0.98 BTC [+] 557852;1394712648;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26715 @ 0.0007951 = 21.2411 BTC [-] {3} 557853;1394713014;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0185001 = 0.185 BTC [+] 557854;1394713380;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00079618 = 18.0335 BTC [+] 557855;1394713868;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51900 @ 0.00079795 = 41.4136 BTC [+] {3} 557856;1394713990;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.58000008 = 6.38 BTC [-] {2} 557857;1394714295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59899889 BTC [+] 557858;1394714539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00079879 = 7.9879 BTC [+] 557859;1394714905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00079887 = 10.1856 BTC [+] 557860;1394715210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0925 = 0.2775 BTC [+] 557861;1394715698;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7039 @ 0.00079887 = 5.6232 BTC [+] 557862;1394716186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30346 @ 0.00080071 = 24.2983 BTC [+] 557863;1394717132;VanCleef;hi, whats a good investment? my daughter really needs this operation 557864;1394717351;jurov;VanCleef: bitcoin, half a year ago? 557865;1394717589;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07 = 0.42 BTC [+] {3} 557866;1394717590;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00595 = 0.1071 BTC [-] 557867;1394717800;[\];jurov: bitcoin, 3 years ago 557868;1394717955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 163 @ 0.00374994 = 0.6112 BTC [+] {4} 557869;1394718139;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 220 @ 0.00378672 = 0.8331 BTC [+] {3} 557870;1394718199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 301 @ 0.00379598 = 1.1426 BTC [+] {2} 557871;1394718260;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.00386798 = 0.4332 BTC [+] {3} 557872;1394718504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0404 = 0.1212 BTC [+] 557873;1394718916;bitcoinpete;;;later tell mircea_popescu very sorry about the dubiousity. it's been corrected… the formatting on this one has a mind of its own on the blogs-b-a site but seems to be working well on the blog itself. my guess is the copy/pasting messed it up. thx for taking the time to read it and provide feedback! 557874;1394718916;gribble;The operation succeeded. 557875;1394718947;mircea_popescu;yee. 557876;1394718954;Neil;mircea_popescu: So do you ever take a holiday? Or is your life so fulfilling doing your thang that you never want to chill out so that delivering statements in the first few days of each month is never an issue? Is that job subordinated to anyone else yet? 557877;1394719001;mircea_popescu;well, to split your q up in answerable bits, 557878;1394719037;mircea_popescu;i'm a reputed workaholic (also see http://trilema.com/2013/zonehedge-wow-such-durden-much-info-about-useless/#footnote_2_51568 ) 557879;1394719050;mircea_popescu;also exact arrangements have never really been disclosed, so nobody actually knows. 557880;1394719099;Neil;I see, curious why you're waiting for someone to disclose so that you know. 557881;1394719115;Neil;You robot or sthg? 557882;1394719165;mircea_popescu;lol 557883;1394719175;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00387499 = 0.3294 BTC [+] {4} 557884;1394719270;Neil;In a parallel universe with no risk you see, I mighta been interested in investing in some of your ventures. Though the terms are clear, it's also the problem, as a) a 30BTC fine to "play" means there's gotta be something worth playing for, and b) I worry about you getting run over by a bus, for example, because c) it's all really quite opaque and I rate b) as ~2% annually, which is quite a JTD risk. 557885;1394719323;ThickAsThieves;dont forget coinbr exists 557886;1394719341;Neil;I've had enough of 3rd parties 557887;1394719356;mircea_popescu;you can just use a broker. 557888;1394719362;mircea_popescu;or w/e, be a broker 557889;1394719366;ThickAsThieves;not all 3rd parties are created equally 557890;1394719395;Neil;Good incentive to get off my ass and do something useful myself I guess. 557891;1394719428;mircea_popescu;Neil and now you're coming to the why things are structured this way. 557892;1394719434;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is not about serving a consumer market. 557893;1394719440;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is about encouraging people to create. 557894;1394719453;Neil;Is JTD an understood acronym? Just curious if it's a product of my history 557895;1394719464;mircea_popescu;which is why we don't want more "adoption". we want more actual penetration. get off your ass do something, cause it ain't gonna do itself. 557896;1394719489;mircea_popescu;jump to default ? 557897;1394719499;Neil;Well spent my life getting off my ass doing stuff for others, but no more 557898;1394719506;Neil;mp: well done 557899;1394719516;mircea_popescu;i didn't dop anything lol 557900;1394719550;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's a good chance you misrepresent what "doing for oneself" means in this context. 557901;1394719552;Neil;Actually 2% is also low; probably 3-4% is better. 557902;1394719566;Neil;mp: plz elaborate 557903;1394719596;mircea_popescu;well, it'll be lengthy. the whole story is in an article i wrote about romanians a while back, http://trilema.com/2011/povestea-celor-trei-imparati-smecheri-si-a-celor-trei-negustori-fraieri-fabula-in-versuri-ilustrata/ 557904;1394719615;Neil;impressed by the speed at random linking 557905;1394719620;mircea_popescu;but anyway, it's something like this : romania emergend in 1989 incredibly poor, 557906;1394719645;mircea_popescu;with about twenty million people who not only owned nothing at all (literally, a pair of jeans would get you unlimited bjs cca 1988) 557907;1394719656;mircea_popescu;but more importantly without any of the mental structures that'd allow them to work productively. 557908;1394719663;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] 557909;1394719673;mircea_popescu;because 50 years under a state directed economy destroys entrepreneurship, something romanians never were very good at anyway 557910;1394719689;mircea_popescu;(which is a very lengthy discussion also found on my blog, but really not too interesting here, as to why) 557911;1394719709;mircea_popescu;so this put them in this strange position whereby even if they wanted to, they couldn't do anything. 557912;1394719720;mircea_popescu;i mean think about it, a country that suddenly needs everything. everything! 557913;1394719723;Neil;Yeah; the state destroying incentives is something that has gotten so clear to me in the last 2-3 yrs yet I'm baffled by how few around me see it. 557914;1394719731;mircea_popescu;imagine a town the size of akron, ohio, which has exactly one restaurant in it 557915;1394719748;mircea_popescu;could you easily make a living for yourself in such an environment ? surely. 557916;1394719758;mircea_popescu;people need food and plumbing and fguckin shoes and everything. 557917;1394719760;mircea_popescu;but that's you. 557918;1394719772;mircea_popescu;the average romanian was too fucktarded to understand even the basics of how economy works. at all. 557919;1394719785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0925 = 0.185 BTC [+] 557920;1394719800;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, the state out of some sort of revolutionary excess or idealistic confusion or whatever, decided it will allocate all its resources to the population. just like that. 557921;1394719814;mircea_popescu;this yielded two direct results : on one hand, everyone got his house. 557922;1394719820;blackwhite;morning gents 557923;1394719829;mircea_popescu;the way it worked was that as long as you maintained employment, you got free housing from the govt dept of housing. 557924;1394719843;Neil;It's interesting how people believe automation will eliminate their ability to do anything. But it's clear that people always want something more - that's the nature of being human after all. So there is always demand for more products / services. Why isn't that obvious? 557925;1394719868;mircea_popescu;new govt allowed everyone to "buy back" this at nominal prices. due to inflation the average 800 sq foot apt everyone had ended up costing less than a computer. 557926;1394719883;Neil;They just want the job they thought they could keep for life, rather than having to think and do something else 557927;1394719891;mircea_popescu;on the other side of things, the govt decided to split up all the industry, and create a bunch of "shareholders". 557928;1394719899;mircea_popescu;so, 20 mn coupons were printed, and distributed to each individual. 557929;1394719912;mircea_popescu;all the companies the state owned allowed the subscription of thes coupons 557930;1394719927;mircea_popescu;then the yallocated ownershiop exactly the way the original MPOE shares were allocated : 557931;1394719934;nubbins`;email?! 557932;1394719935;mircea_popescu;if a company got 10 coupons, every one guy got 10% of it. 557933;1394719938;nubbins`;o. 557934;1394719946;mircea_popescu;if a company got 10mn coupons, each person got 0.0001% etc. 557935;1394719962;mircea_popescu;so suddenly, a bunch of romanians without a clue were real estate and industrial capital owners. 557936;1394719964;mircea_popescu;what happened ? 557937;1394719980;Neil;the fittest survived? the rest got eaten. 557938;1394719988;mircea_popescu;;;google caritas ponzo 557939;1394719989;gribble;Ponzi scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme>; Oral history collection - Library of Congress: <http://www.loc.gov/folklife/civilrights/survey/view_collection.php?coll_id=2696>; Concordia Discors. Turin Background Report: <http://www.concordiadiscors.eu/assets/BR_Turin1.pdf> 557940;1394720015;mircea_popescu;"Mugur Isărescu, the president of the National Bank of Romania, estimated that it held a third of Romania's banknotes at one point." 557941;1394720055;mircea_popescu;this is a story of idiocy and unbridled enthusiasm, and of how very stupid people fail to fall in step with economic structure. 557942;1394720102;mircea_popescu;while it's easy to laugh at these particular retards, such as the parents of every romanian girl i ever fucked, this is a bit like picking fun at the special olympic people. 557943;1394720115;mircea_popescu;moreover, the sort of mistake they made, we're not immune from. 557944;1394720138;mircea_popescu;which is why random fuckwit discovering bitcoin is all about how "I WILL MAKE MY OWN EXCAHGE" rather than "i wonder where i could add my incremental effort" 557945;1394720166;Neil;mp: I'm curious - how much of your current beliefs are your own, and how much from your parents / schooling etc. 557946;1394720175;mircea_popescu;in general, ventures made and wholly operated by people who are unable to act economically (which means, collaboratively) are doomed. 557947;1394720197;mircea_popescu;a point often underscored by buffet re owning a fraction of the hope diamond rather than a whole lump of coal. 557948;1394720212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3138 @ 0.00014701 = 0.4613 BTC [-] {4} 557949;1394720238;mircea_popescu;Neil well how would one know ? probably the best test would be, "how well does your school/parents/etc recognise itself in your beliefs", in which case they're pretty much mine. 557950;1394720278;Neil;OK, so what led you down your path? 557951;1394720298;mircea_popescu;what led me ?! 557952;1394720307;mircea_popescu;nothing leads me dood, i lead it. 557953;1394720320;Neil;cmon my meaning is clear 557954;1394720326;mircea_popescu;maybe to you. 557955;1394720347;Neil;What life experiences changed your thinking from what your were taught to believe to what you actually believe 557956;1394720368;mircea_popescu;uh. 557957;1394720374;jurov;Neil, I was profoundly discontent with what i was told 557958;1394720378;mircea_popescu;what, you actually think that's how it works ? 557959;1394720390;jurov;and just had to find out on my own 557960;1394720396;jurov;it's not complicated 557961;1394720428;Neil;mp: don't understand how your qn relates 557962;1394720446;mircea_popescu;Neil what people think is not controllable by their life experiences. 557963;1394720452;mircea_popescu;if it were, education'd be trivial. 557964;1394720464;mircea_popescu;just put them in a well designed educatron/gauntlet and let them be 557965;1394720517;TomServo;mircea_popescu: Thanks for the nudge to look at the Berkshire letters. Interesting stuff there. 557966;1394720543;nubbins`;controllable, no 557967;1394720546;mircea_popescu;TomServo the guy is definitely more worthy of being read, on a ROP basis, than pretty much any economics professor. and he doesn't even charge. 557968;1394720550;nubbins`;influenced by, sure, if you let it 557969;1394720557;mircea_popescu;nubbins` well what's that do. 557970;1394720575;TomServo;You seem to have some level of respect for Buffet.. so I'm curious what you'd say regarding his comments around the purchase of BNSF 557971;1394720581;mircea_popescu;sure, it works to a large degree, i can educate my slaves on a very similar process. 557972;1394720586;TomServo;specifically: At the time, I called the transaction an “all-in wager on the economic future of the United 557973;1394720588;TomServo;States.” 557974;1394720589;mircea_popescu;but this doesn't excuse me from having to pick them first. 557975;1394720592;Neil;jurov: well I realized about 3 years ago that all I'd been told about money (which was almost nothing - an amazing and likely deliberate gap of the education system) didn't make any sense. And I wanted to understand money. Started reading, and 6 months later find bitcoin (2011) and think wow, and then many things all became a lot clearer. Perhaps I'm slow, but in most things I'm not. Just never had really been given the right 557976;1394720592;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 557977;1394720592;Neil;context to think about it. 557978;1394720595;nubbins`;fancy way of saying that being exposed to ideas will inspire curiosity in the receptive 557979;1394720607;nubbins`;but being receptive? well, that's your job 557980;1394720615;mircea_popescu;TomServo yeah. it kinda was. 557981;1394720652;TomServo;also: And the dynamism 557982;1394720655;TomServo;embedded in our market economy will continue to work its magic. America’s best days lie ahead. 557983;1394720658;Neil;mp: I don't understand your point. Deeply held beliefs that are not handed down to you must have been formed by life experiences, I suspect. 557984;1394720661;mircea_popescu;Neil money is a transcendent you know. 557985;1394720686;mircea_popescu;there's a three part bit on trilema about essences, which really i'll have to have translated, it's too important. 557986;1394720695;mircea_popescu;Neil beliefs and experiences aren't telling the whole story. 557987;1394720710;mircea_popescu;TomServo perhaps he's senile. or perhaps he has a point. 557988;1394720733;mircea_popescu;i dun see much future in the us, let alone any magic manifest destiny sort of future. then again, im not from there and ostensibly don't much care. 557989;1394720754;nubbins`;scary place 557990;1394720767;nubbins`;everyone bought into the hype and now assumes the hype will carry them through 557991;1394720814;mircea_popescu;see the thing is : there are indeed some hard working us folk. 557992;1394720826;mircea_popescu;they are surrounded by the night, and the likely result is they will revisit romania's folly 557993;1394720834;mircea_popescu;each a little emperor on his little lump of coal 557994;1394720842;mircea_popescu;that's at least two decades of unlimited economic collapse 557995;1394720853;Neil;So I was at a bitcoin meetup this evening. Japan. Which has recently learned about bitcoin (there was basically zip in Japanese 1 year ago on the internet, now it's on a par with the information / misinformation content that exists in English). 557996;1394720870;mircea_popescu;by which point other major infrastructural points start suffering, ie, life in town will no longer be possible, but it is required for a certain post 1700 level of social an economic life. 557997;1394720876;mircea_popescu;so the whole thing can go africa quite easily. 557998;1394720883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47650 @ 0.00080012 = 38.1257 BTC [-] 557999;1394720908;ughlol;Hi, I am looking for investment for a startup! :) Some friends over at bitcoin-otc said this might be the right channel to find potential investors! 558000;1394720924;mircea_popescu;ughlol sure, lurk for half year or so. 558001;1394720936;Neil;Dude, who works for a media company, says "but bitcoin's not stable. Not robust. I worry about ... " and I'm thinking "WTF are you talking about? I can hardly imagine anything more stable/robust". I don't think I can relate on the same level any more. Too many people want "authority" to tell them what to do / think. 558002;1394720940;ughlol;Half year? Im sorry, I don't understand. 558003;1394720987;Apocalyptic;"Too many people want "authority" to tell them what to do / think." // sadly true 558004;1394720992;jurov;ughlol: have youread the MPOE-PR forum post on bitcoin enterprises? 558005;1394720994;Neil;Just coz the price bounces around a fair bit has nothing to do with the robustness of the system. 558006;1394721014;ughlol;jurov: no I havent. Can you please link me? 558007;1394721031;mircea_popescu;ughlol see either http://trilema.com/2014/la-firma/ or http://trilema.com/2014/pro-idiotas-which-obviously-means-people-who-have-ideas-ie-idiots/ depending on which level you're working on 558008;1394721042;mircea_popescu;which i don't know because you just dropped here and started talking randomly. 558009;1394721047;Neil;Fscking Japanese pension system - they lost the records of 20 million people FFS. And then local govt employees were found pocketing money because the records were so inadequate they just could. You can't make something disappear from the block chain. Guy got up and walked off. 558010;1394721060;ughlol;thanks mircea_popescu 558011;1394721073;mircea_popescu;Neil actually the best measure of bitcoin robustness per se, i would think, is the time - to - hash mechanism. 558012;1394721077;jurov;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 i meant this, but above applies too 558013;1394721079;ozbot;So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? 558014;1394721092;Neil;But we need to regulate bitcoin, not the govt or local govt employees, coz they must be good and proper. 558015;1394721092;ughlol;not a bitcoin business 558016;1394721096;mircea_popescu;bitcoin has managed to maintain the time needed to get 2k blocks within one to three weeks in spite of infinite % growth of hash power. 558017;1394721102;ughlol;But a social network. Im looking for investment. 558018;1394721109;mircea_popescu;i know of no previous instance of a mechanism working so efficiently in all human technical history. 558019;1394721117;jurov;ughlol: as soon as you want bitcoin investment, it *is* one 558020;1394721125;ughlol;oh, I see. 558021;1394721126;ughlol;ok 558022;1394721172;ughlol;WOT account as in World of Tanks account? :/ 558023;1394721193;jurov;;;gettrust ughlol 558024;1394721194;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user ughlol: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=ughlol | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ughlol | Rated since: never 558025;1394721199;jurov;^ no, this one 558026;1394721208;ughlol;Oh i see. 558027;1394721214;ughlol;Im on localbitcoins.com 558028;1394721218;ughlol;I have quite some good rep there. 558029;1394721223;mircea_popescu;how the shit was that app facebook bought called ? 558030;1394721227;mircea_popescu;i can't even remember it ;/ 558031;1394721229;nubbins`;whats app? 558032;1394721233;mircea_popescu;a ty 558033;1394721243;nubbins`;i had an app that let you send sms messages via email 558034;1394721249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.00385 = 0.181 BTC [-] 558035;1394721252;nubbins`;stopped updating when whatsapp stole all the customers ;( 558036;1394721257;ughlol;And if you're worried about who i am, and if im a fraud, I'll give you my real name, and you can google me! :) 558037;1394721258;nubbins`;well. "stole" is a bit much 558038;1394721261;Neil;mircea_popescu: It's nice, but nothing special. Just a self-adjusting mechanism. I think the economics / incentives of bitcoin are the smartest part. And the fact (other than block size which was a short-term expedient solution to a short-term problem) that so much was left to just float (including the creation of altcoins for example). I think that took balls and real insight. Satoshi was a cool dude for whom I'd love to buy 558039;1394721261;Neil;a beer. 558040;1394721284;mircea_popescu;but... stability. 558041;1394721287;nubbins`;ughlol: you may find that the barrier to entry is significantly higher here than many, many other places 558042;1394721304;mircea_popescu;a self adjusting mechanism that turns maxint variation into [.5,1.5] ? 558043;1394721307;ughlol;Oh, I see. 558044;1394721308;mircea_popescu;that's something. 558045;1394721310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 204 @ 0.00386999 = 0.7895 BTC [+] {5} 558046;1394721337;ughlol;And I have to trade through bitcoin-otc or something to get some rep, otherwise nobody will be interested in investing? 558047;1394721371;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 59 @ 0.0038704 = 0.2284 BTC [+] {2} 558048;1394721372;Neil;maxint variation? difficulty is bound by [0.25,4] factor per adjustment. 558049;1394721377;Neil;perhaps I misunderstand 558050;1394721445;Neil;The fact that transactions (other than coinbase) are equally valid on both sides of a split is also an under-appreciated awesome stability feature. 558051;1394721455;ughlol;wow 558052;1394721462;ughlol;mircea_popescu: you wrote one scary-ass post 558053;1394721474;mircea_popescu;yw 558054;1394721493;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00387 = 0.387 BTC [-] 558055;1394721499;mircea_popescu;ughlol well ideally you want to be known. you're not currently known. how you resolve this problem is entirely up to you, but sure, wot helps a lot. 558056;1394721517;ughlol;Im not known here 558057;1394721525;ughlol;but in the security world, at least in India, quite a bit 558058;1394721615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00387 = 0.1935 BTC [-] 558059;1394721682;mircea_popescu;yes, but you're not trying to deal with the security world of india, are you ? 558060;1394721691;mircea_popescu;so you'll have to somehow bridge these. 558061;1394721696;ughlol;I agree. 558062;1394721734;ughlol;But the real question seems to be identity. Because neither did you ask for my idea to judge. You obviously wonder where your investment will go to. 558063;1394721743;ughlol;And I understand that, I've seen many fraudsters as well. 558064;1394721763;jurov;just lurk and you'll certainly find out something to offer and gain rep 558065;1394721846;jurov;wot is not meant for -otc trading only 558066;1394721861;ughlol;oh 558067;1394721862;ughlol;i see 558068;1394721876;chetty;sit on the actual idea while you get to understand how best to pitch it here 558069;1394721920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5860002 BTC [-] 558070;1394721957;ughlol;Now I understand why the rich get richer and poor get poorer! :) 558071;1394721981;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3651 @ 0.00080012 = 2.9212 BTC [-] 558072;1394721988;Neil;ThickAsThieves: b.t.w. with you on your discussion of 16hrs ago that I had to abandon for work 558073;1394722006;mircea_popescu;ughlol there is no such thing as "an idea". 558074;1394722066;ughlol;of course there is 558075;1394722215;ughlol;imho 558076;1394722236;ughlol;nobody trusts in individuals with ideas anymore 558077;1394722305;ughlol;and that sucks 558078;1394722324;ughlol;:( 558079;1394722353;ughlol;Looks like I'll never get investment for anything 558080;1394722364;ughlol;Have to do a stupid engineering degree and get a stupid job. 558081;1394722507;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/google-exploring-the-botomless-pit-of-irrelevance-since-2004-or-so/ 558082;1394722508;ozbot;Google : exploring the botomless pit of irrelevance, since 2004 or so. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce 558083;1394722530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00345783 = 1.3831 BTC [-] {9} 558084;1394722533;mircea_popescu;ughlol well a constructive approach is always more indicated. 558085;1394722537;ughlol;mircea_popescu: is that for me? 558086;1394722540;mircea_popescu;nah. 558087;1394722544;mircea_popescu;i jhust finished it. 558088;1394722550;ughlol;mircea_popescu: constructive approach how? 558089;1394722585;mircea_popescu;as in read those two things, do what you're told, take the time to do it well. 558090;1394722612;mircea_popescu;finance is a profession, not something happenstance like picking up a coin you found in the bus station. 558091;1394722614;ughlol;I can't understand how investors dont understand that a two man team can't make a very great app, not in the desired timeframe. They say that they'll invest when they see a prototype. 558092;1394722631;mircea_popescu;try understanding this part : nobody cares. 558093;1394722639;ughlol;Yeah 558094;1394722641;mircea_popescu;the world isn't structured so as to make it possible for you to survive. 558095;1394722695;ughlol;I agree :( 558096;1394722698;ughlol;and thats just so sad 558097;1394722702;mircea_popescu;why is it sad ? 558098;1394722708;mircea_popescu;i happen to think it's great. 558099;1394722713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07 = 1.05 BTC [+] 558100;1394722714;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 199 @ 0.00080012 = 0.1592 BTC [-] 558101;1394722719;ughlol;Its sad for people that want to do something but cant 558102;1394722724;mircea_popescu;fuck them ? 558103;1394722732;mircea_popescu;tell me, do you like girls ? 558104;1394722736;ughlol;Im one of them! :) 558105;1394722738;ughlol;Yes, I do 558106;1394722740;ughlol;lol 558107;1394722748;mircea_popescu;okay. do you like girls generally or do you like pretty girls ? 558108;1394722757;ughlol;I like pretty girls.. 558109;1394722760;mircea_popescu;me too. 558110;1394722764;ughlol;haha 558111;1394722774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07 = 1.05 BTC [+] 558112;1394722776;mircea_popescu;so here's the scoop : if we don't kill the ugly ones, they will slowly multiply and take over. 558113;1394722788;mircea_popescu;we don't want that, so, unless she's pretty, she's screwed. (otherwise, she's fucked). 558114;1394722797;ughlol;Omg. You're right. 558115;1394722802;mircea_popescu;which i suppose is very sad for the ugly girls, 558116;1394722811;mircea_popescu;except nobody gives a shit what ugly girls think on any topic. 558117;1394722822;ughlol;Thats true. 558118;1394722823;ughlol;:O 558119;1394722825;ughlol;OMG 558120;1394722828;mircea_popescu;so then there you go. same applies. 558121;1394722830;ughlol;That makes so much sense. 558122;1394722911;mircea_popescu;yeah, it makes so much sense, because you told me you're from india and i knew how to construct it. 558123;1394722918;mircea_popescu;if i didn't know that it'd have never made sense. 558124;1394722929;mircea_popescu;which is the fucking point here. we gotta know you in order for anything you say to make any sense 558125;1394722935;mircea_popescu;which is why there's no such thing as "an idea". 558126;1394722954;ughlol;Yeah, you're right.. 558127;1394722961;mircea_popescu;(ask all these other dudes who live in western countries, the entire girl thing makes 0 sense to them, for isntance) 558128;1394722994;ughlol;hmm 558129;1394723000;ughlol;I wish I was born elsewhere 558130;1394723005;ughlol;the economy in India sucks so bad 558131;1394723017;ughlol;and Indian investors dont give a shit about anybody :( 558132;1394723103;ughlol;thanks for enlightening me mircea_popescu 558133;1394723131;ughlol;Honestly, I first thought you were some random guy full of ego and trolling me 558134;1394723149;ughlol;Im sorry about that. 558135;1394723201;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30884 @ 0.00080038 = 24.7189 BTC [+] 558136;1394723384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.586 = 7.032 BTC [-] 558137;1394723487;ThickAsThieves;<ughlol> But a social network. Im looking for investment. /// boy did he come to the wrong place 558138;1394723553;ughlol;yeah :( 558139;1394723556;ughlol;I have 0 luck 558140;1394723566;ughlol;and was born into the wrong damn community of misers 558141;1394723568;ughlol;lol 558142;1394723574;ughlol;but thats just my problem 558143;1394723578;ughlol;sorry to disturb you all 558144;1394723628;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [+] 558145;1394723683;ThickAsThieves;well it's okay 558146;1394723732;ughlol;:) 558147;1394723750;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0057102 = 0.2284 BTC [-] {2} 558148;1394723888;ThickAsThieves;mp your google article seems to make my Search Party "idea" seem that much better 558149;1394723925;ThickAsThieves;essentially by outlawing guns, google made it so only outlaws have guns 558150;1394723933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 58 @ 0.00369999 = 0.2146 BTC [+] {2} 558151;1394723934;ThickAsThieves;(SEO penetration) 558152;1394724004;ThickAsThieves;for reference: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2014#466597 558153;1394724116;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00080029 = 16.1258 BTC [-] 558154;1394724177;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00571005 = 0.1941 BTC [-] {4} 558155;1394724181;ThickAsThieves;relevant to yesterday's Top 500 conversation: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20bh0w/richest_address_since_2011_until_2014_has_made/ 558156;1394724204;ThickAsThieves;youre welcome for the idea mircea! ;) 558157;1394724238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.0037 = 0.518 BTC [+] {2} 558158;1394724589;ThickAsThieves;well fuck me, Deprived is back https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.msg5677176#msg5677176 558159;1394724788;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [+] 558160;1394724794;dexX7;haha well, not much explaination 558161;1394724806;dexX7;was he in the us? 558162;1394724829;imsaguy;Did you know that the venom from the Brazilian Wandering Spider (World's deadliest spider) causes an erection in men? They want to use it in place of viagra. 558163;1394724866;dexX7;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Phoneutria_nigriventer.jpg rly? 558164;1394724989;mircea_popescu;ughlol_afk that's ok, you're not the first one. 558165;1394725061;dexX7;i'm asking about deprived, because there was also creativx, another us issuer who vanished after btct who had a rock solid reputation 558166;1394725107;ThickAsThieves;well, ask Deprived, we surely don't know 558167;1394725144;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves search definitely could use some help. the problem is that by now, it devolved into the www equivalent of the check \cashing service 558168;1394725158;mircea_popescu;only the [intellectually] poor actually rely on it, and that's a community you never want to serve 558169;1394725194;dexX7;neat http://www.bitcointrezor.com/news/2014-03-13-public-demo-trezor-status 558170;1394725206;ThickAsThieves;all i'm asking for is 20 minutes with Brin, and a fat check 558171;1394725241;mircea_popescu;imsaguy i knew that, actually. 558172;1394725261;nubbins`;nothing gets me hard like lethal poison 558173;1394725275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07199999 = 2.016 BTC [+] {3} 558174;1394725279;nubbins`;priapism FTW 558175;1394725288;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves now how the fuck did that end up there http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20bh0w/richest_address_since_2011_until_2014_has_made/cg1mo8a 558176;1394725343;mircea_popescu;whoa look at that, deprived is back form the dead to call craigate a scammor ?! 558177;1394725373;ThickAsThieves;lol 558178;1394725388;mircea_popescu;"If anyone incurred costs taking legal advice in respect of my absence then please PM me and I'll look at reimbursing it (copies of invoices would be required)." 558179;1394725392;asciilifeform;the 'trezor' stuff is almost physically painful to read. it's as if they knew every single correct design decision, and did... the exact opposite. 558180;1394725392;mircea_popescu;interesting approach. 558181;1394725406;mircea_popescu;i could trivially have any of my counsel write me infinity bills and bleed him dry. 558182;1394725416;mircea_popescu;i wonder wtf people be thinking. 558183;1394725439;dexX7;i bet most people don't try to exploit stuff 558184;1394725441;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform one of these days write the specifics out rather than the vague summary, you can join the club of slanderous souls. 558185;1394725459;mircea_popescu;dexX7 yeah. and most people are too naive to be involved with tools as powerful as btc. 558186;1394725461;mircea_popescu;either one. 558187;1394725466;dexX7;^_^ 558188;1394725509;ThickAsThieves;i think Deprived is just claling bullshit on anyone actually seeking counsel and confident everyone is too lazy to get back-invoices 558189;1394725534;ThickAsThieves;technically he did exactly what he said he would 558190;1394725541;ThickAsThieves;not communicate until he had news 558191;1394725587;asciilifeform;dexX7: i bet most people don't try to exploit stuff << 'you may not be interested in war, but war is certainly interested in you.' 558192;1394725641;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00080038 = 10.485 BTC [+] 558193;1394725642;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/riskandcompliance/2014/03/13/j-p-morgan-customers-tweet-complaints-about-anti-money-laundering-policy/ 558194;1394725642;ozbot;J.P. Morgan Depositors Tweet Complaints About Anti-Money Laundering Policy - Risk & Compliance - W 558195;1394725753;dexX7;well, i never would rely on it, but i think most act in good faith, others are like "omg someone will exploit this" but don't do anything and a tiny subset may actually try something nefarious 558196;1394725919;nubbins`;showed pascale nude-yoga.com 558197;1394725957;dexX7;asciilifeform: what do the trezor guys wrong for example? i didn't really follow the progress 558198;1394725963;nubbins`;she was mightily impressed 558199;1394726312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07199999 = 0.72 BTC [+] {3} 558200;1394726373;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 0.23396500 BTC to 320`500 shares, 73 satoshi per share 558201;1394726538;ThickAsThieves;well shit, now Kate is back the same day as Deprived... 558202;1394726618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46300 @ 0.00080083 = 37.0784 BTC [+] {2} 558203;1394726868;ThickAsThieves;this is all contributing to my spider sense beginning to tingle yesterday 558204;1394726881;dexX7;kate already "came back" a few days ago 558205;1394726882;ThickAsThieves;expect notable btc/usd price movement in 3-5 days! 558206;1394726891;dexX7;or 2-3 weeks, not sure anymore 558207;1394726891;ThickAsThieves;well now she's actually posting 558208;1394726899;ThickAsThieves;surprised all it took was threats 558209;1394726903;Apocalyptic;on litecointalk ? 558210;1394726906;ThickAsThieves;yeah 558211;1394726930;ThickAsThieves;and now on btctalk 558212;1394726973;dexX7;"we can't pay divs because of the size of the smallest output" oh well 558213;1394727002;ThickAsThieves;in case you didnt figure it, BondHolder is me 558214;1394727020;dexX7;good job then 558215;1394727022;ThickAsThieves;i got caught with pants down trying to trade that shit 558216;1394727028;ThickAsThieves;when BTCT closed 558217;1394727047;dexX7;how much does b1 earn per week in btc per share? 558218;1394727053;ThickAsThieves;it 558219;1394727056;ThickAsThieves;'s based on USD 558220;1394727059;ThickAsThieves;so not much 558221;1394727063;dexX7;or it was 0.34 usd or so, right? 558222;1394727072;ThickAsThieves;i dont even track it honestly 558223;1394727078;ThickAsThieves;i'd be happy just to redeem them 558224;1394727092;ThickAsThieves;never intended to hold them 558225;1394727144;dexX7;i remember what you said at the very beginning via pm when i asked about your standpoint. in the end i can only say: you were right 558226;1394727170;ThickAsThieves;i shoulda listened to myself 558227;1394727171;ThickAsThieves;hehe 558228;1394727181;ThickAsThieves;just the buying pressure was strong 558229;1394727203;ThickAsThieves;of course you probly more mean the PT 558230;1394727207;ThickAsThieves;than the bond 558231;1394727217;dexX7;yup 558232;1394727227;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.19372696 BTC to 3`708 shares, 59162 satoshi per share 558233;1394727288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07459999 = 1.865 BTC [+] {4} 558234;1394727289;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 19.93320684 BTC to 3`708 shares, 537573 satoshi per share 558235;1394727296;ThickAsThieves;the tiny dividend excuse is obnoxious 558236;1394727305;ThickAsThieves;thats why i offered to pay to round it up 558237;1394727327;ThickAsThieves;probably not even $1 expense to solve 558238;1394727379;dexX7;the dust limit is 0.0000564 btc which is about 0.036 usd 558239;1394727408;ThickAsThieves;she also makes it like there are 1000s of holders 558240;1394727410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08733334 = 0.524 BTC [-] {3} 558241;1394727413;ThickAsThieves;this is nonsense 558242;1394727431;ThickAsThieves;AM100 on BTCT probably had the largest qty of shareholders 558243;1394727446;ThickAsThieves;and i processed tons of shit by hand to render those people whole 558244;1394727469;ThickAsThieves;i recall it being far less than 1000 holders 558245;1394727471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 25 @ 0.08519288 = 2.1298 BTC [-] {5} 558246;1394727474;dexX7;yea 558247;1394727478;ThickAsThieves;but i'd have to look it up 558248;1394727553;dexX7;"For the purposes of the examples below we have used a price of €85.00 EUR/BTC. An interest rate of ~22%/year (0.38%/week) based on EUR/BTC value at time of issue (eg. ~€0.0032 / bond / week)." ... "100,000 bonds" 558249;1394727594;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.0404 = 0.5252 BTC [-] {4} 558250;1394727595;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.08013076 = 1.0417 BTC [-] {3} 558251;1394727596;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-] {2} 558252;1394727606;ThickAsThieves;and most of the bonds are held by like 5 people 558253;1394727621;ThickAsThieves;me, Deprived, Kate (surely) 558254;1394727681;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves kate has been "back" for weeks 558255;1394727715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.11950724 = 1.0756 BTC [-] 558256;1394727727;mircea_popescu;Neil since you mentioned jtd, you ever read the original mpoe prospectus ? 558257;1394727740;asciilifeform;http://nypost.com/2014/03/12/trader-throws-self-in-front-of-train-in-finance-worlds-latest-suicide/ 558258;1394727740;ozbot;Trader kills self in finance world’s latest suicide | New York Post 558259;1394727767;ThickAsThieves;are finance deaths always this common and merely now more publicized? 558260;1394727767;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know the "nazis are losing the war" joke ? 558261;1394727774;asciilifeform;? 558262;1394727776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.078 = 0.624 BTC [-] 558263;1394727779;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves the profession has one of the largest suicide rates. 558264;1394727794;ThickAsThieves;i assume, but larger lately? 558265;1394727798;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform coupla jews, awaiting to be shot by the nazis. at the last moment, a courrier arrives with orders to hang them instead 558266;1394727814;mircea_popescu;one jew to the other "heh heh see ? they're clearly losing the war, can't even afford the bullets anymore" 558267;1394727825;asciilifeform;aha 558268;1394727832;mircea_popescu;apparently even nails for the guns are in short supply 558269;1394727837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.0748227 = 1.6461 BTC [-] {12} 558270;1394727856;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well that i have no idea. 558271;1394727891;ThickAsThieves;i dont count one bullshit statement as being "back" 558272;1394727898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.0404 = 1.7372 BTC [-] 558273;1394727899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 49 @ 0.07204081 = 3.53 BTC [-] {3} 558274;1394727900;ThickAsThieves;you'r eback when you tcb 558275;1394727907;mircea_popescu;well in that case neither are back 558276;1394727941;ThickAsThieves;now she has 3mos padding 558277;1394727943;ThickAsThieves;bleh 558278;1394727974;mircea_popescu;i remember back before xmas when we were mocking her cuntdown 558279;1394727980;mircea_popescu;apparently it got overrun a little / 558280;1394727996;ThickAsThieves;just a lil 558281;1394728001;mircea_popescu;and speaking of tcb 558282;1394728002;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/a63a1a0b736ae648248af1671b51023c/tumblr_muqjsa8HXc1r2dyqzo1_1280.jpg 558283;1394728037;ThickAsThieves;i had someone from CT soliciting me to list a PT this week 558284;1394728052;ThickAsThieves;after speaking, he was like well shit, this really is toxic huh 558285;1394728083;ThickAsThieves;dunno if he was anyone important enough to stop the madness though 558286;1394728091;mircea_popescu;the madness shan't be stopped. 558287;1394728098;mircea_popescu;we just wanna fish bits from the river. 558288;1394728230;benkay;i'm having police state nightmares and i haven't even done anything 558289;1394728246;benkay;i blame you guys in general, and mp in particular. 558290;1394728266;mircea_popescu;http://www.siapress.ru/news/society/30512 558291;1394728269;mircea_popescu;o look, they're moving in 558292;1394728294;mircea_popescu;benkay what did i do! 558293;1394728341;mircea_popescu;Merry Lopan / Jolly Lopan. let the cutsy translation live 4ever :D 558294;1394728474;benkay;you know what you did mircea_popescu. you shattered my faith in the ever-victorious empire of capitalism. 558295;1394728487;mircea_popescu;what, we're gonna win. 558296;1394728500;benkay;well OBviously 558297;1394728569;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.04191666 = 0.6287 BTC [+] {4} 558298;1394728589;ThickAsThieves;http://www.voice-online.co.uk/sites/default/files/imagecache/455/lead-racist_soap.jpg 558299;1394728589;rbones;. 558300;1394728609;mircea_popescu;"Top Of Mind scraped Bottom Of Barrel interviewing curmudgeon, Luddite, ignoramus, Statist and low brow unthinker Ken Hess. RLOL!" 558301;1394728616;mircea_popescu;ok which one of you guise is this ? 558302;1394728630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 96 @ 0.0421 = 4.0416 BTC [+] {3} 558303;1394728631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00080084 = 38.9208 BTC [+] 558304;1394728691;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04217999 = 0.2109 BTC [+] {2} 558305;1394728706;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bim4lUsIQAIxojO.png << from the "i can prove anything" department 558306;1394728712;mircea_popescu;apparently, working more is bad for you. 558307;1394728760;benkay;what's the counter-thesis? 558308;1394728835;mircea_popescu;that uncorrelated variables are uncorrelated 558309;1394728860;asciilifeform;u.s. steel production vs. salmonella incidence in france. log-log plot. 558310;1394728874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 47 @ 0.11950724 = 5.6168 BTC [-] 558311;1394728887;chetty;http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2041-deluded-currency-cultists-believe-the-dollar-is-invincible 558312;1394728888;ozbot;Deluded Currency Cultists Believe The Dollar Is Invincible 558313;1394728897;dexX7;cm.b1 backup: http://archive.is/XZ9PC 558314;1394729004;mircea_popescu;dexX7 so basically what was it, a combo btc principal + fiat coupon deal ? 558315;1394729004;ThickAsThieves;word 558316;1394729042;ThickAsThieves;like any other bitcoin 'perpetual bond' except divs are based on USD rate 558317;1394729054;ThickAsThieves;so mostly downside on divs 558318;1394729068;ThickAsThieves;but still positive 558319;1394729074;mircea_popescu;but wait i don't understand. work me through this will you ? 558320;1394729075;ThickAsThieves;assuming redemption is possible 558321;1394729087;mircea_popescu;so i buy 100 btc worth of bonds, when btc is 100 usd. 558322;1394729095;mircea_popescu;on first coupon due date, btc is 200 usd. 558323;1394729100;mircea_popescu;how much is my coupon ? 558324;1394729118;ThickAsThieves;An interest rate of ~22%/year (0.38%/week) based on EUR/BTC value at time of issue (eg. ~€0.0032 / bond / week. 558325;1394729151;mircea_popescu;so i get 0.0038*100 btc * 100usd/200usd ? 558326;1394729179;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00575 = 0.299 BTC [-] 558327;1394729187;mircea_popescu;"After 12 months, each bond may be redeemed at any time by bondholder for 0.01 BTC." seems it was a proper bond. 558328;1394729187;ThickAsThieves;i believe so 558329;1394729199;ThickAsThieves;i honest;y never checked the divs 558330;1394729202;mircea_popescu;ok so basically it's a "get no interest and wait for a year to hear which excuse i pick up for not redeeming" ? 558331;1394729223;ThickAsThieves;well, get rapidly dwindling interest 558332;1394729235;mircea_popescu;reference being 85dollars/btc... 558333;1394729239;mircea_popescu;myeah. 558334;1394729240;ThickAsThieves;if btc had gone down it wouldve given more 558335;1394729268;ThickAsThieves;only reason i paid attention was as a trader 558336;1394729269;mircea_popescu;yeah, right, because random dragon-in-human-skin mental patient is very likely to efficiently conserve value. 558337;1394729275;mircea_popescu;it'd have paid more in what, hormones ? 558338;1394729307;ThickAsThieves;and i got what i deserved in that regard 558339;1394729330;ThickAsThieves;btct closed, kate got married 558340;1394729330;ThickAsThieves;etc 558341;1394729333;mircea_popescu;it boggles me that these ever sold for as premium 558342;1394729343;mircea_popescu;what did they trade as ? 558343;1394729346;dexX7;the good old btct times 558344;1394729347;ThickAsThieves;they were going at like 5% premium 558345;1394729362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04168 = 0.2084 BTC [+] {2} 558346;1394729370;imsaguy;hmm 558347;1394729378;imsaguy;I need to start fancy paper stuffs 558348;1394729385;ThickAsThieves;but i suspect Kate as also playing the market 558349;1394729385;imsaguy;start selling* 558350;1394729392;dexX7;yea pretty sure 558351;1394729397;ThickAsThieves;wait 558352;1394729402;ThickAsThieves;she openly said so 558353;1394729407;ThickAsThieves;if i recall 558354;1394729418;imsaguy;so who did kate marry? 558355;1394729419;imsaguy;goat? 558356;1394729422;mircea_popescu;hqahahaa 558357;1394729426;ThickAsThieves;deprived obv 558358;1394729434;mircea_popescu;srs ? 558359;1394729441;imsaguy;I don't follow days of our forum 558360;1394729442;mircea_popescu;"Fed is 'about to' propose capital surcharge on largest financial firms." 558361;1394729445;imsaguy;so obv isn't obv 558362;1394729451;mircea_popescu;that should go over well 558363;1394729457;mircea_popescu;imsaguy i think he's being sarcastic 558364;1394729462;mircea_popescu;i... hope he's being sarcastic 558365;1394729466;ThickAsThieves;mostly 558366;1394729472;imsaguy;mircea_popescu: they mostly come out at night, mostly 558367;1394729482;ThickAsThieves;but they do have very coincidental availability 558368;1394729489;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BinwxJqCYAAoCcZ.jpg << "daytrading on scamsites" is strangely absent 558369;1394729490;imsaguy;probably the same person 558370;1394729502;imsaguy;deprived probably named his right hand kate 558371;1394729516;mircea_popescu;so your theory is that deprived is actually kate's ex male personality ? 558372;1394729517;benkay;here's a surcharge 558373;1394729522;mircea_popescu;meanwhile deprived of c0k ? 558374;1394729523;ThickAsThieves;nah 558375;1394729528;ThickAsThieves;i spoke with deprived once 558376;1394729532;imsaguy;no mircea_popescu 558377;1394729535;benkay;stop lending them money at 0% and letting them lend it to the usg at 2 or whatever 558378;1394729538;ThickAsThieves;i find it very hard to believe he is a tranny 558379;1394729538;imsaguy;kata ala rosie palmer 558380;1394729541;imsaguy;kate* 558381;1394729572;ThickAsThieves;he's a happy-go-lucky soccer/pub-lover 558382;1394729577;dexX7;kate != deprived 558383;1394729580;chetty;benkay about that police state problem: http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/u-s-supreme-court-rejects-appeal-in-second-amendment-case-refuses-to-prohibit-police-from-using-lawful-gun-ownership-as-a-trigger-for-no-knock-police-raids/79786#more-79786 558384;1394729582;mircea_popescu;spoke with ie, you went to a bar ? 558385;1394729587;dexX7;large gap between knowledge and style of writing 558386;1394729592;ThickAsThieves;voice over internet 558387;1394729606;ThickAsThieves;he was on his way to a bar though 558388;1394729607;ThickAsThieves;hehe 558389;1394729611;mircea_popescu;dexX7 i agree, was kinda curious what his theory is. 558390;1394729630;ThickAsThieves;i do think they have some sort of connection 558391;1394729638;ThickAsThieves;family, friend, or something 558392;1394729649;mircea_popescu;well sure, he fell for her dog and pony show about respectable uk business woman. 558393;1394729653;mircea_popescu;that's a connection. 558394;1394729657;ThickAsThieves;it would of course be aweome drama if they are husbands 558395;1394729663;imsaguy;what ever happened to mr. glbse? 558396;1394729666;mircea_popescu;why not wives ? 558397;1394729680;mircea_popescu;imsaguy he's waiting at the chinese border for his btc to be worth enough to allow him passage. 558398;1394729683;ThickAsThieves;well i'm not lifting those skirts 558399;1394729687;ThickAsThieves;you do it 558400;1394729716;imsaguy;lol 558401;1394729720;imsaguy;1,2,3 not it 558402;1394729745;benkay;noes goes 558403;1394729748;benkay;nose 558404;1394729748;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwhwbksHob1qmojqio1_500.jpg 558405;1394729801;dexX7;.bait 558406;1394729802;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/5e3a7342a73f477fbc5952bf184ea4ab/tumblr_mu3o7p4YE01s8tt3vo1_500.jpg 558407;1394729819;benkay;chetty: in my dream every seat but the mid-row passenger seat in my truck was filled with a cop, and as I went to hop in my truck to do something, other cops stuffed me in the empty seat. and i haven't even been watching movies lately? 558408;1394729850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35480 @ 0.00080127 = 28.4291 BTC [+] {2} 558409;1394729874;benkay;anyways the part that stuck with me was how they thought i'd been in louisiana, and had derped their butts out to the Cascades to have a "talk" with me. all eight of them. 558410;1394729885;ThickAsThieves;sounds like you feel trapped in your own "home" 558411;1394729895;chetty;You sure that was dream benkay? Sounds like daily life 558412;1394729922;mircea_popescu;whats in louisiana 558413;1394729933;benkay;that's whats got me antsy this morning. "just because i'm paranoid does not mean they're not out to get me." 558414;1394729957;benkay;rotting manses from the sugar days? iono, i dont touch that part of the continent. 558415;1394730033;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07501403 = 7.5014 BTC [+] {9} 558416;1394730339;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0766 = 0.8426 BTC [-] 558417;1394730383;VanCleef;i'm looking fowardto mircea's new bitcoin tv showcalled "Why Mircea is better than you." 558418;1394730399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59888998 = 1.1978 BTC [+] 558419;1394730400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.07589999 = 0.759 BTC [-] {4} 558420;1394730439;benkay;i'm looking forward to mircea's new sexual exhibitionist show "you thought she looked good in the studio!" 558421;1394730472;mircea_popescu;i'm looking forward to mircea's new female body, "you thought he's just a guy ?!?!?!" 558422;1394730521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49988 @ 0.00080143 = 40.0619 BTC [+] {3} 558423;1394730535;VanCleef;/semihard 558424;1394730765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16251 @ 0.00080029 = 13.0055 BTC [-] 558425;1394730887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15799 @ 0.00080135 = 12.6605 BTC [+] {3} 558426;1394731009;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.07326315 = 1.392 BTC [-] {3} 558427;1394731131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13084 @ 0.00079918 = 10.4565 BTC [-] 558428;1394731253;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07689999 = 0.3076 BTC [+] {2} 558429;1394731743;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJifZLjipxo 558430;1394731743;ozbot;Pussy Pussy Marijuana Verse - YouTube 558431;1394731802;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00572 = 0.1144 BTC [-] 558432;1394732016;benkay;.bait 558433;1394732018;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/25554fcb3c82a37a564f2379a63d652a/tumblr_mtwi01x1Gd1rfz6a4o1_1280.jpg 558434;1394732057;nubbins`;bait should start sourcing from naked-yoga 558435;1394732595;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0424765 = 0.8495 BTC [+] {2} 558436;1394732778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00080225 = 7.6214 BTC [+] 558437;1394732900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.07325 = 0.879 BTC [-] {3} 558438;1394732961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0769 = 0.3845 BTC [+] 558439;1394732962;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.04249999 = 0.765 BTC [+] 558440;1394732963;asciilifeform;from the circus: 558441;1394732963;asciilifeform;http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/10/ukraine-the-sovereignty-argument-and-the-real-problem-of-fascism 558442;1394732964;ozbot;Ukraine: The Sovereignty Argument, and the Real Problem of Fascism » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, 558443;1394733083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12418 @ 0.00080069 = 9.943 BTC [-] 558444;1394733327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 65 @ 0.00220032 = 0.143 BTC [-] {8} 558445;1394733388;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.01729509 = 0.2248 BTC [-] {6} 558446;1394733449;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.01600797 = 0.2721 BTC [-] {3} 558447;1394733571;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.03810001 = 0.381 BTC [-] {3} 558448;1394733632;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56500 @ 0.00079866 = 45.1243 BTC [-] {6} 558449;1394733693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 39 @ 0.0037691 = 0.147 BTC [-] {7} 558450;1394733754;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 40 @ 0.00365188 = 0.1461 BTC [-] {7} 558451;1394733937;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585501 BTC [-] 558452;1394733998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059338 = 0.5934 BTC [+] 558453;1394734000;blackwhite;is there some data source to get the trading volume, price etc? 558454;1394734059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04289993 = 0.429 BTC [+] {3} 558455;1394734120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04314428 = 0.4314 BTC [+] {3} 558456;1394734151;mike_c;!t h rent 558457;1394734152;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600100 / 0.00623437 / 0.00647960 (373 shares, 2.32542147 BTC), 7D: 0.00550000 / 0.00560099 / 0.00900001 (28538 shares, 159.84093509 BTC), 30D: 0.00550000 / 0.00555348 / 0.00900001 (53890 shares, 299.27693509 BTC) 558458;1394734169;mike_c;i don't know about etc, but there is price and trading volume 558459;1394734181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0438 = 0.438 BTC [+] {5} 558460;1394734242;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07698998 = 0.8469 BTC [+] 558461;1394734243;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.04466666 = 0.402 BTC [+] {4} 558462;1394734304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.045 = 0.945 BTC [+] {3} 558463;1394734455;mjr_;whats up everybody 558464;1394734487;mjr_;I am trying to work out details to come to lovely timisoara 558465;1394734528;blackwhite;mike_c like this http://www.coinometrics.com/bitcoin/btix?utm_content=bufferfd226 558466;1394734609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.073 = 1.168 BTC [-] 558467;1394734645;mike_c;blackwhite: for stocks? mpex stocks here: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ havelock here: http://coinflow.co/chart/HAVELOCK/RENT 558468;1394734723;blackwhite;so I want the actual data source (for my own visualization) 558469;1394734749;mike_c;mpex here: http://bitcoin-assets.com/mpex-socket/ 558470;1394734767;mike_c;and that's it, the link store is closed. 558471;1394734913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059338 = 0.5934 BTC [-] 558472;1394734974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27124 @ 0.00079978 = 21.6932 BTC [+] 558473;1394735096;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.5855 = 4.0985 BTC [-] {3} 558474;1394735584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07698998 = 0.9239 BTC [+] 558475;1394735706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8359 @ 0.00079828 = 6.6728 BTC [-] 558476;1394735986;benkay;mircea_popescu: your footnotes make for inconsistent line heights 558477;1394736072;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00080225 = 8.4236 BTC [+] 558478;1394736133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0769 = 0.1538 BTC [-] 558479;1394736533;mike_c;i need a quick little pile of atc. can anybody sell me 1k atc @ 200 satoshis per? 558480;1394737171;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00379799 = 0.3798 BTC [-] {3} 558481;1394737353;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21839 @ 0.00079762 = 17.4192 BTC [-] {3} 558482;1394737536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0058 = 0.1972 BTC [+] 558483;1394737658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.00638286 = 0.1723 BTC [-] {2} 558484;1394738250;thestringpuller;;;ud trapstar 558485;1394738251;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapstar | trap star. one that is good at drug dealing, or someone that makes alot of money from drug dealing. See Trapper. Dat niggas sold so much weight this year, hes a  ... 558486;1394738251;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: trapstar 558487;1394738260;thestringpuller;;;ud trapping 558488;1394738260;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapping | to set up on the corner and sell dope. man im bout to go to the trap and make some cheese. by monolog May 06, 2003. 1207 191. Mugs & shirts Buy “trapping”  ... 558489;1394738261;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: trapping 558490;1394738272;thestringpuller;;;ud trap star 558491;1394738272;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapstar | trap star. one that is good at drug dealing, or someone that makes alot of money from drug dealing. See Trapper. Dat niggas sold so much weight this year, hes a  ... 558492;1394738272;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: trapstar 558493;1394738281;thestringpuller;;;ud trapper 558494;1394738282;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trapper | drug dealer, mainly this word is used in the south. that nigga is a straight trapper fo life. by Auguste October 17, 2005. 538 56. Mugs & shirts Buy “trapper” mugs ... 558495;1394738282;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: trapper 558496;1394738308;thestringpuller;;;ud trap 558497;1394738309;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trap | The area where drug deals are carried out. The dope boy is in the trap tonight. by Shipp December 03, 2003. 4691 1533. Mugs & shirts Buy “Trap” mugs & shirts ... 558498;1394738309;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: trap 558499;1394738320;benkay;thestringpuller: you know gribble responds in private chat, right? 558500;1394738328;ThickAsThieves;bet you didn't know it's derived from 558501;1394738330;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0063834 = 0.1277 BTC [+] 558502;1394738331;ThickAsThieves;;;crab trap 558503;1394738331;gribble;Error: "crab" is not a valid command. 558504;1394738337;ThickAsThieves;;;ud crab trap 558505;1394738338;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crab%20trap | When the recipient of anal sex squeezes his or her sphincter trapping the giver's penis so he cannot pull out easily. 558506;1394738339;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: crab trap 558507;1394738344;ThickAsThieves;no not that 558508;1394738346;ThickAsThieves;hehe 558509;1394738360;ThickAsThieves;they used to call it a crab trap 558510;1394738367;ThickAsThieves;which became trapping 558511;1394738382;ThickAsThieves;cuz they all stuck in the pot 558512;1394738389;ThickAsThieves;and got a crab mentality 558513;1394738391;ThickAsThieves;etc 558514;1394738450;mike_c;hm, what is a crab mentality? 558515;1394738477;benkay;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality 558516;1394738478;ozbot;Crab mentality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 558517;1394738492;benkay;related to: 558518;1394738494;benkay; 558519;1394738494;benkay;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante 558520;1394738494;ozbot;Law of Jante - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 558521;1394738498;ThickAsThieves;well to think like a base animal 558522;1394738510;ThickAsThieves;like the trap is the whole world 558523;1394738512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46721 @ 0.00079947 = 37.352 BTC [+] {3} 558524;1394738518;ThickAsThieves;fighting for the food 558525;1394738524;ThickAsThieves;tearing eachother up 558526;1394738526;ThickAsThieves;stuck 558527;1394738581;ThickAsThieves;wiki says it better 558528;1394738636;ThickAsThieves;of course like many things in that culture it transformed from an insult to a compliment 558529;1394738678;mike_c;sounds like bitcointalk 558530;1394738703;mike_c;or perhaps that is the reverse. they are all too willing to shove some stupid crab up into the spotlight. 558531;1394738717;ThickAsThieves;yeha not really similar 558532;1394738764;ThickAsThieves;the older hip hop heads still call it a crab trap though 558533;1394738767;mike_c;and mpoe-pr stands above smacking stupid crabs back into the pot. 558534;1394738817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39300 @ 0.0008004 = 31.4557 BTC [+] {3} 558535;1394738838;benkay;btctalk is more like "anyone can be a special fairy!" 558536;1394738858;benkay;it's more like "those doods launched an exchange and so can derp!" 558537;1394738866;mike_c;lol. special fairy. 558538;1394738876;ThickAsThieves;i cant come up with a choice analogy for btctalk, but I'd say Idiocracy is close 558539;1394738876;benkay;group delusions of competence 558540;1394738896;ThickAsThieves;trappers even prop up the concept of being ignornat 558541;1394738903;ThickAsThieves;ignorant 558542;1394738910;ThickAsThieves;it's like being tough or real 558543;1394738920;ThickAsThieves;fuckit i ignant 558544;1394738941;ThickAsThieves;acknowledging sometimes they just wanna let loose 558545;1394738944;ThickAsThieves;and be hood 558546;1394738967;ThickAsThieves;so many awesome cultural phenomenons on the hood 558547;1394738969;ThickAsThieves;in 558548;1394739058;benkay;you'll note that the successful hustlers like the jiggaman actually do take a certain amount of pride in their ability to do accounting and such: http://rapgenius.com/Jay-z-no-hook-lyrics#note-38838 558549;1394739064;dexX7;http://nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/screen-shot-2014-03-13-at-08-20-39.png leah is hiding and practising how to shoot to be ready for "the nice pre-puberty bitcoin community" 558550;1394739067;benkay;notably unlike the bitcoin "businesses" 558551;1394739086;benkay;who've yet to catch up to the drug dealers in terms of financials. 558552;1394739110;ThickAsThieves;black people always can find pride in what they arew 558553;1394739119;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/a/YG9fT 558554;1394739119;ozbot;56 Bitcoin Icons - Imgur 558555;1394739123;ThickAsThieves;i know that's a generalization 558556;1394739124;nubbins`;nice 558557;1394739151;ThickAsThieves;but in sense ive met many more "real" black people than white 558558;1394739194;nubbins`;wait, so she's giving up "journalism" and becoming a hunter? 558559;1394739196;nubbins`;;( 558560;1394739248;ThickAsThieves;she's so stupid... 558561;1394739253;dexX7;in this case we'd at least don't hear any trash reports from her again 558562;1394739277;dexX7;but i don't believe she'll stop ;) 558563;1394739305;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76200 @ 0.00079546 = 60.6141 BTC [-] {4} 558564;1394739327;dexX7;http://i.imgur.com/h3y9VSe.jpg hehe 558565;1394739427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.044475 = 0.3558 BTC [+] {2} 558566;1394739430;ThickAsThieves;she'll stop because she's a husk now 558567;1394739443;ThickAsThieves;no one wants her 558568;1394739451;ThickAsThieves;she'll need to go solo 558569;1394739460;ThickAsThieves;and be a sensationalist blogger 558570;1394739499;benkay;is she married? 558571;1394739514;ThickAsThieves;i'd bet no 558572;1394739516;dexX7;^ 558573;1394739521;ThickAsThieves;her staying with a gf and all 558574;1394739545;ThickAsThieves;she's obv the type to blame things on everyone else 558575;1394739548;Apocalyptic;^ 558576;1394739560;ThickAsThieves;i imagine her personality to be much like Lena Dunham's character on Girls 558577;1394739577;benkay;it's never to late to snag one, i guess. 558578;1394739577;ThickAsThieves;hopelessly lost in self importance 558579;1394739603;ThickAsThieves;i guarantee she can't cook either 558580;1394739610;benkay;f that 558581;1394739635;benkay;while making dinner with a babe is a wonderful, potentially very sexy experience, i expect dishes on the dinner table. 558582;1394739653;thestringpuller;You know the characters on Girls are pretty much spot one with the youth of today. It's really sad. Fucking American young people suck. 558583;1394739670;thestringpuller;"I hate doing actual work I just want experiences and want to be free and feel fulfilled without any effort.: 558584;1394739677;Apocalyptic;not only American thestringpuller 558585;1394739678;thestringpuller;It's like fuck off and die already. 558586;1394739703;dexX7;sounds like you're 60+ 558587;1394739707;dexX7;jk :) 558588;1394739732;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.074 = 0.296 BTC [+] 558589;1394739768;thestringpuller;I'm 26 and feel like I'm going on 60 558590;1394739780;thestringpuller;fucking 22 year olds I hire can't do shit 558591;1394739789;thestringpuller;15 year olds are better at hustling 558592;1394739797;thestringpuller;15 year olds from the hood* 558593;1394739810;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: what were they hired to do? 558594;1394739819;dexX7;what kind of business do you run? :D 558595;1394739835;dexX7;tree farms? 558596;1394739854;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04446666 = 0.2668 BTC [-] {2} 558597;1394739930;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: hired one person to be an Executive Assistant. Siri was better at his job than him...so we let him go. 558598;1394739951;thestringpuller;hired an engineer who didn't know what a for loop was 558599;1394739961;thestringpuller;literally didn't know what a for loop was; you can't make this shit up 558600;1394739966;thestringpuller;college grad with CS degree and all 558601;1394740018;asciilifeform;graduate of Spam U ? 558602;1394740033;thestringpuller;Essentially. Cept not the online kind. 558603;1394740043;thestringpuller;Local community Spam U 558604;1394740222;asciilifeform;http://imgur.com/2kg29Ts 558605;1394740222;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 558606;1394740252;asciilifeform;usg steals a few irc botnets. 558607;1394740257;asciilifeform;laugh/cry 558608;1394740287;benkay;what is this "quantum" referencing? 558609;1394740308;asciilifeform;name for a particular malware-production group at nsa 558610;1394740334;asciilifeform;no actual quanta harmed. 558611;1394740525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3238 @ 0.00080013 = 2.5908 BTC [+] 558612;1394740560;dub;was the spearfishing/mitm/injection atttack called quantum too? 558613;1394740579;dub;s/f/ph 558614;1394740623;dub;ie, the delivery 558615;1394740682;HowardF;lol 558616;1394740703;dub;helps to click links I guess 558617;1394740752;Apocalyptic;thestringpuller, you get what you pay for I guess 558618;1394740795;thestringpuller;Apocalyptic: if that were the case I would pay everyone under minimum wage until they stop complaining about not being able to do their job 558619;1394740809;Apocalyptic;sounds fair 558620;1394740891;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 197 @ 0.0008546 = 0.1684 BTC [-] 558621;1394740952;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 281 @ 0.0008546 = 0.2401 BTC [-] 558622;1394741623;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2730 @ 0.00015195 = 0.4148 BTC [+] {4} 558623;1394741624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04300066 = 0.129 BTC [-] {3} 558624;1394741692;asciilifeform;https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/replicant-developers-find-and-close-samsung-galaxy-backdoor 558625;1394741693;ozbot;Replicant developers find and close Samsung Galaxy backdoor — Free Software Foundation — working 558626;1394741948;dexX7;i'd be interested in something that could log any usage ofthis backdoor 558627;1394741962;nubbins`;https://blockchain.info/wallet/how-to-get-bitcoins 558628;1394741965;ozbot;How to Get Bitcoins - 3 Step Guide 558629;1394741965;nubbins`;"alternative methods" 558630;1394741978;nubbins`;i wonder what planet the person who did that rendering is from 558631;1394741986;nubbins`;and if they ever stacked blocks as a child 558632;1394742008;dexX7;:D 558633;1394742037;asciilifeform;photos of casascius coins in unrelated context seems to be a good heuristic for scammitude. 558634;1394742050;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.04458762 = 1.4714 BTC [+] {5} 558635;1394742054;nubbins`;heh 558636;1394742075;nubbins`;those aren't casascius coins, just an impossibly unbalanced stack that someone did up in Blender or something 558637;1394742082;dexX7;the context is "offline" 558638;1394742096;nubbins`;seriously, look at the stack on the right 558639;1394742109;nubbins`;i fuckin DARE ya to stack seven coins like that. 558640;1394742126;asciilifeform;imagine if every media piece on, say, 400 horsepower mercedes benz, had to include a picture of... that many actual horses 558641;1394742132;nubbins`;hahah 558642;1394742135;ughlol;mircea_popescu: mind if I pm? 558643;1394742137;nubbins`;that would be great 558644;1394742295;ughlol;lol 558645;1394742312;ThickAsThieves;i see bitstamp isnt invited to the blockchain.info hot to buy page 558646;1394742315;ThickAsThieves;nor coinbase 558647;1394742333;ThickAsThieves;such good friends they all were to kick gox's corpse tho 558648;1394742354;ThickAsThieves;how to buy* 558649;1394742442;benkay;how to butt 558650;1394742443;benkay;bitcoin-central doesn't seem to be on that list either 558651;1394742451;ThickAsThieves;indeed 558652;1394742540;dexX7;ThickAsThieves: only one per region: us, gb, eu, au, sg 558653;1394742561;dexX7;at least that's what is shown, if you log into a blockchain.info wallet 558654;1394742577;ThickAsThieves;i see that casascius sells blanks, but do people sell sticker printing kits? 558655;1394743392;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00080246 = 25.5985 BTC [+] 558656;1394743425;ughlol;Im trying to create a rape intervention service in India 558657;1394743430;ughlol;and looking for investment for the same 558658;1394743434;ughlol;anybody interested? 558659;1394743448;ThickAsThieves;a social media rape service? 558660;1394743454;ThickAsThieves;sounds fishy 558661;1394743462;ughlol;rape intervention 558662;1394743468;ughlol;social network with such a feature 558663;1394743476;ughlol;but rape prevention/intervention is the USP 558664;1394743482;Azelphur;how would that work? O.o 558665;1394743485;HowardF;how would such a thing make profit? 558666;1394743516;benkay;nubbins` yeah lol what is even center of gravity? 558667;1394743540;ughlol;Azelphur: Imagine you're a girl, if you feel you'll be raped, all you'd need to do is press an SOS button and your location will be relayed to the nearest PD and the friends who are within a few km's radius and your family. 558668;1394743547;ughlol;HowardF: Ads, etc.. 558669;1394743571;Azelphur;so this is a hardware device? 558670;1394743578;ughlol;no 558671;1394743580;ughlol;a software 558672;1394743584;benkay;apps! 558673;1394743588;benkay;apps for everyone and everything! 558674;1394743591;ughlol;Android app that takes advantage of location services 558675;1394743596;ughlol;benkay: precisely 558676;1394743597;Azelphur;I see 558677;1394743607;ughlol;"A seven-year-old-girl was raped on a train traveling through the Indian state of Chhattisgarh, and discarded near a market in Bilaspur City. The rape is believed to have taken place sometime between Friday night, August 9 and Saturday morning, August 10. The perpetrator had forced his way in while the child went to use the toilet, and thrust an Indian 10-rupee note in her hand when he was done." 558678;1394743607;Azelphur;and yea, where's the profit? 558679;1394743618;ughlol;I feel pathetic about the condition of girls in my country (India) 558680;1394743629;ughlol;and how they have no freedom due to some pathetic people (rapists) 558681;1394743653;ughlol;Azelphur: profit is through ads in the app, and also sponsorship from govt etc. 558682;1394743663;ughlol;This would be the USP for my app 558683;1394743669;HowardF;i like the idea, but see any kind of profit unlikely. however asking for donations rather than investments may get you somewhere... 558684;1394743669;ughlol;USP == Unique Selling Proposition 558685;1394743676;Azelphur;ads in the app...that sounds like a ridiculously terrible idea for something like this 558686;1394743710;ughlol;Azelphur: It will be a social networking application that revolves around location services and the rape intervention will be a major feature of the app. 558687;1394743710;HowardF;agreed. last thing someone about to get raped needs to see is an ad for condoms.. 558688;1394743726;ughlol;Social networks can earn tons of revenue from ads. 558689;1394743740;ughlol;FlappyBird made around 50,000USD per day from ads 558690;1394743741;Azelphur;heh 558691;1394743744;TomServo;How would this work in the train rape scenario you quoted? 558692;1394743747;ughlol;I think a social network can make similar amounts 558693;1394743755;Azelphur;ughlol: yes, but flappy bird was an app people repeatedly use, your app isn't, it's one time use 558694;1394743770;HowardF;( having written and worked for several very large social networks by the way, let me assure you, ads don't make as much as you think ) 558695;1394743773;ughlol;TomServo: I was thinking of having people register as helpers. People that have reputation, whose identity we can verify. 558696;1394743785;ughlol;these 'helpers' can help in such emergencies 558697;1394743787;TomServo;Right.. but the location? 558698;1394743796;ughlol;HowardF: oh, then I am mistaken. 558699;1394743821;punkman;ughlol, you need DRONES 558700;1394743827;ughlol;TomServo: the location would be inaccurate, but it is possible to send an sos message to nearby people based on last seen location etc. 558701;1394743836;HowardF;i still think there are places and countries where this wouldn't be a bad idea though. india, but also large areas of africa, etc. 558702;1394743839;ughlol;punkman: haha, i doubt i can afford drones. Cant afford a 2nd hand server. 558703;1394743840;ughlol;lol 558704;1394743855;ughlol;HowardF: thank you for the support sir, that means a lot. 558705;1394743858;Azelphur;yea, I like the idea, there's lots of things that could be done (alarm, contract nearby, just like he says) 558706;1394743863;Azelphur;but, there's no profit in i 558707;1394743863;Azelphur;t 558708;1394743870;ThickAsThieves;ughlol 558709;1394743874;ThickAsThieves;your idea is horrible 558710;1394743876;ThickAsThieves;scrap it 558711;1394743878;ughlol;India is my prime target. I've seen a video that literally made me tear. I would link you, but it is in Hindi.. 558712;1394743886;ThickAsThieves;try again 558713;1394743904;ughlol;Azelphur: I believe profit can be integrated. If not ads, there are probably other ways. 558714;1394743905;HowardF;looking for profit while writting this is the wrong idea though. look for donations / goverment / non-profit support instead 558715;1394743909;ughlol;ThickAsThieves: really? You think so? 558716;1394743913;ThickAsThieves;also dont go calling things social media (or any other trendy word) just to get attention 558717;1394743917;Azelphur;HowardF++ 558718;1394743921;ThickAsThieves;it has the opposite reaction 558719;1394743926;ughlol;HowardF: I agree. 558720;1394743926;ThickAsThieves;yes 558721;1394743934;ughlol;ThickAsThieves: You think Im trying to get attention? 558722;1394743936;ThickAsThieves;you dont advertise to possible rape victims 558723;1394743940;benkay;ughlol: you're making the mistake of looking at a random event as a reproducible event. 558724;1394743951;ThickAsThieves;and an app is not social media 558725;1394743961;ughlol;ThickAsThieves: http://www.satyamevjayate.in/Fighting-Rape/EPISODE-1watchvideo.aspx?uid=E1-EV-V1&lang=hindi 558726;1394743963;benkay;all app successes are accidents of timing and positioning. 558727;1394743981;ughlol;Watch it with a translator and then tell me Im trying to seek just attention and scam away some bitcoins. 558728;1394743992;ThickAsThieves;firstly 558729;1394743995;ThickAsThieves;you said scam 558730;1394743996;ThickAsThieves;not me 558731;1394744003;ughlol;benkay: A rape happens every 18 hours in India's capital city. 558732;1394744014;ughlol;ThickAsThieves: think what you may. 558733;1394744023;benkay;ughlol: you fail to make a point. 558734;1394744024;ThickAsThieves;second, nevermin 558735;1394744025;ThickAsThieves;d 558736;1394744039;ThickAsThieves;this deserves no more attention 558737;1394744040;Azelphur;ughlol: there also seems to be apps that already do most of what you're suggesting 558738;1394744044;HowardF;in south africa rapes happen every few minutes... there are places where this kind of app could definately be take seriously. 558739;1394744045;ughlol;benkay: you meant that rape is a radom event? 558740;1394744064;ughlol;There is currently NO rape intervention/prevention app in the market. 558741;1394744066;Azelphur;HowardF: agree with you :) 558742;1394744074;Azelphur;ughlol: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nebulastudios.meagainstrape what's this then? 558743;1394744081;ughlol;Yes, you're right HowardF 558744;1394744087;benkay;no i mean that you can't use flappy bird as an example of how much money you'll make, ughlol. 558745;1394744094;ughlol;oh 558746;1394744095;ughlol;i see 558747;1394744096;ughlol;sorry 558748;1394744098;benkay;it's not going to prevent rapes. 558749;1394744104;Azelphur;yea, the flappy bird thing was pretty crazy xD 558750;1394744105;benkay;rapist smacks phone out of girls hand. 558751;1394744110;benkay;continues to rape. 558752;1394744114;benkay;your app has failed. 558753;1394744115;benkay;NEXT. 558754;1394744128;HowardF;benkay, even if it succeded in calling out for help / support after the fact, it could be useful 558755;1394744131;Azelphur;yea, that's why I think an alarm would be better, that at least gets the attention of people around you 558756;1394744134;ughlol;Azelphur: doesn't create an SOS signal with current location using GPS. 558757;1394744138;Azelphur;an alarm MIGHT have prevented the train one, for example 558758;1394744150;benkay;or not letting your girl go to the bathroom unattended in fucking india 558759;1394744156;benkay;this is a human problem, not a technological one. 558760;1394744163;ughlol;benkay: it may fail. but it will help many. 558761;1394744173;ughlol;even if it helps 1 person, it succeeds. 558762;1394744178;benkay;and how will it make money? because that's basically all we care about in here. 558763;1394744184;ughlol;technology is moving towards changing peoples lives. 558764;1394744186;benkay;ads are out. 558765;1394744192;Azelphur;benkay: I think we already established that it won't 558766;1394744212;ughlol;HowardF: based on your experience, is there no way for an app like this to make money? 558767;1394744222;ughlol;Maybe not in the millions, but at least a break-even? 558768;1394744242;HowardF;difficult at best. asking for money to install the app would be insulting. ads would be insulting. 558769;1394744260;Azelphur;HowardF: my thought with ads was one that it's single use, and 2 accidental clicking lol 558770;1394744260;ughlol;Ads might not be insulting. After all, its a great service for free.. 558771;1394744261;joecool;<benkay> or not letting your girl go to the bathroom unattended in fucking india < why go to india in the first place 558772;1394744271;joecool;could go just about *anywhere* else better in the world 558773;1394744272;HowardF;donations / non-profit status is the only path i could see, but done correctly, that could certianly be a viable option 558774;1394744277;ughlol;and they can understand that to develop and maintain something like this, we require som emoney. 558775;1394744322;ughlol;Azelphur: clicking the SOS button can't be accidental.. will implement a simple code or pattern or something so that it cant be pressed accidentally. 558776;1394744338;ughlol;HowardF: any idea who might be interested to donate to something like this? 558777;1394744345;Azelphur;ughlol: getting more useless, also re-read what I said, that's not what I suggested. 558778;1394744356;HowardF;trust me, ads ALWAYS insult people... even on facebook they still get crap for showing ads. 558779;1394744362;ughlol;oh 558780;1394744363;Azelphur;I was talking about accidentally clicking an advert during a crisis situation 558781;1394744364;ughlol;ok 558782;1394744373;ughlol;ah, i see Azelphur 558783;1394744378;Azelphur;and if you're having codes and patterns...yea that's so not gonna work 558784;1394744405;HowardF;i would look for / seek out help from organizations that already deal with rape and rape victims. there are lots, and they would be a good place to start 558785;1394744415;Azelphur;tl;dr what you want is a rape whistle, it's better than anything you've mentioned 558786;1394744421;HowardF;some larger ones may well be willing to sponsor or provide a grant. 558787;1394744431;Azelphur;1) cheaper, 2) more widely available, 3) has a much higher chance of success 558788;1394744458;ughlol;Azelphur: Little girls scream for help, and nobody cares. Nobody wants to interfere. 558789;1394744464;ughlol;This isn't America. 558790;1394744467;ughlol;Nobody wants to be the hero. 558791;1394744474;Azelphur;ah, that's shitty 558792;1394744474;HowardF;also, no reason you couldn't combine a rape whistle function / ping for help in one button press 558793;1394744476;ughlol;This is India. 558794;1394744483;Azelphur;but yea, GPS is too far man, that won't work 558795;1394744491;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43500 @ 0.00080108 = 34.847 BTC [-] {2} 558796;1394744492;ughlol;Why so? 558797;1394744496;ughlol;I think GPS should do the trick. 558798;1394744502;ughlol;It should give a very accurate location. 558799;1394744508;Azelphur;best case scenario to get to the destination is 10 minutes I'd say, even if it was just around the corner 558800;1394744518;Azelphur;by then the attacker is probably done and gone 558801;1394744518;benkay;.bait 558802;1394744520;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6ft157Ui61r600xqo1_1280.jpg 558803;1394744529;benkay;mm wow 558804;1394744530;benkay;.bait 558805;1394744532;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6h4x0MKBB1qag73to1_1280.jpg 558806;1394744536;HowardF;based on the assumption someone is being raped / hurt, i imagine it only has to be accurate enough to get within earshot of someone screaming 558807;1394744546;ughlol;^ 558808;1394744547;ughlol;true 558809;1394744555;benkay;what if they're on a train? 558810;1394744561;Azelphur;^ that too 558811;1394744563;benkay;fat load of use this thing will be. 558812;1394744566;jcpham;train rape 558813;1394744569;ughlol;benkay: pls scroll up, we discussed that a bit.. 558814;1394744569;benkay;fat load of use this thing will be anyways. 558815;1394744575;ughlol;yeah 558816;1394744575;HowardF;and again, even if it can't stop a rape, it could at least call out for first responders / medical help 558817;1394744579;ughlol;its better than doing nothing 558818;1394744585;ughlol;and just bitching about every idea that exists 558819;1394744592;Azelphur;HowardF: yea that was my thinking, it'd be good for after care 558820;1394744595;ughlol;thinking that it can't help 100% of the rape victims 558821;1394744596;Azelphur;but that's about all it'd be good for 558822;1394744597;benkay;nope, shooting down shitty ideas makes the world a better place. 558823;1394744606;ughlol;To me, even if it helps 1%, its a success. 558824;1394744621;benkay;to you, just talking about it makes you feel like you're doing something to help 558825;1394744634;ughlol;i want to make it. 558826;1394744637;Azelphur;ughlol: that's the thing, I can't even think of any situation where this app would work, at all 558827;1394744637;ughlol;Not just talk about it. 558828;1394744641;benkay;so go make it and quit bullshitting. 558829;1394744643;Azelphur;then go make it, you don't need money 558830;1394744645;benkay;prove me wrong. 558831;1394744660;benkay;you don't need money to change the world, just passion and drive, right guys? 558832;1394744669;ughlol;benkay: do you have a twitter profile? 558833;1394744673;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31050 @ 0.00080252 = 24.9182 BTC [+] {2} 558834;1394744673;ughlol;I'll prove you wrong. 558835;1394744680;ughlol;benkay: you're wrong. 558836;1394744686;benkay;less talk, more do. 558837;1394744689;benkay;go. 558838;1394744691;ughlol;resources count as well. not just passion and drive. 558839;1394744695;HowardF;also, if you actually look at rape statistics, its rarely a quick thing, and often theres a period of lead up before the actual rape, so its usefulness may be greater than you guys think... 558840;1394744707;joecool;wat 558841;1394744710;benkay;what about a fucking whistle? 558842;1394744720;ughlol;Thank you HowardF. 558843;1394744727;benkay;what about martial arts training? 558844;1394744740;benkay;those are things that i'll buy might have a shot at changing a rape event's outcome 558845;1394744741;HowardF;your missing the point benkay. everybody already carries a phone. no need to change existing habits 558846;1394744778;benkay;no, you're missing the point. this app on a phone isn't changing anything. 558847;1394744784;Azelphur;ughlol: dowhat...I built fuckloads of shit 558848;1394744795;Azelphur;I started on $20 and a computer I built from shit in a skip 558849;1394744806;Azelphur;so don't start crap about you need capital, you're in the wrong place for that ;) 558850;1394744821;ughlol;I doubt Azelphur. 558851;1394744834;Azelphur;really? 558852;1394744839;ughlol;Yes, really. 558853;1394744843;Azelphur;...ok then 558854;1394744847;ughlol;I myself am a developer and security consultant. 558855;1394744856;benkay;famous in india, we hear! 558856;1394744866;ughlol;not exactly, but kinda 558857;1394744866;ughlol;lol 558858;1394744873;HowardF;i would say working on a prototype before asking anyone for an investment is top priority though. money for ideas doesn't happen without something to back it up 558859;1394744882;benkay;so go hire some $10/hr indian android devs for 2 months of work 558860;1394744889;benkay;;;calc 10*80*8 558861;1394744889;gribble;6400 558862;1394744890;ughlol;I agree. I'm currently working on the prototype. 558863;1394744894;benkay;shouldn't cost you more than seven grand. 558864;1394744903;Azelphur;https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/Photos/From%20Google/DCFN0033.JPG observe, shit from a skip :) 558865;1394744917;HowardF;if you know java, it shouldn't cost you anything but time 558866;1394744918;Azelphur;note the CRT monitors with tube burnout, laptop with a piece of string supporting the screen, and TV with smashed in buttons. 558867;1394744935;Azelphur;those were the days folks, those were the days. 558868;1394744940;ughlol;Yeah, 7000usd = 4,28,190INR. And thats more than 4months of my fathers salary. 558869;1394744953;ughlol;benkay: ^ 558870;1394744972;ughlol;Azelphur: wow. That does look nice :) 558871;1394744987;Azelphur;ughlol: that was to disprove the whole you can't start from $20 and skill argument. 558872;1394745027;Azelphur;here's what I have now, just to contrast. http://i.imgur.com/YOuK4UK.jpg :) 558873;1394745072;ughlol;$20 cant even buy me a second had server capable enough to handle location services etc. 558874;1394745082;ughlol;(assuming i coded the app on my own) 558875;1394745091;ughlol;these things require some amount of investment 558876;1394745094;Azelphur;ughlol: no, but it can pay for like 4 months of VPS service, which is what I did. 558877;1394745119;ughlol;but yes, I wont argue anymore considering that there is no profit in the idea. 558878;1394745123;Azelphur;I had to go to the host and specifically request a 32MB VPS, they didn't sell them, and the host actually told me I was crazy and that I couldn't even get the OS to run in that. But I did, and everything else I needed :) 558879;1394745159;Azelphur;I probably still have the chat logs from that somewhere, haha 558880;1394745169;ThickAsThieves;does india not have a polic emergency line? 558881;1394745170;ughlol;You can get a VPS for 4months for $20? 558882;1394745175;ughlol;ThickAsThieves: no 558883;1394745182;Azelphur;ughlol: hell yes, even less now man, this was 10 years ago 558884;1394745188;Azelphur;now you can get like 512MB for $2, it's awesome 558885;1394745194;ThickAsThieves;so what happens when rapee uses your app 558886;1394745196;ughlol;police actually lockup the victim, and also rape her a couple of times.. thats the reality in inda 558887;1394745197;ThickAsThieves;who comes running? 558888;1394745207;ughlol;or they tell the victim to compromise and drop the case 558889;1394745227;ughlol;ThickAsThieves: family, nearby friends and nearby 'helpers' 558890;1394745247;ThickAsThieves;so it's like a digital rape whistle 558891;1394745247;Azelphur;ughlol: https://bluevm.com/ $2.50/mo, for example 558892;1394745250;ughlol;Azelphur: link me? I'll buy it right now..? 558893;1394745251;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The biggest obstacle I'd face putting together a book, especially a BTC one would be getting lines and bettors on those lines such that I could make vig intsead of propping up the otherside of every line. 558894;1394745260;ughlol;ThickAsThieves: yes, and more effective (imho) 558895;1394745273;Azelphur;there's another host that is even cheaper, I just can't remember its name off the top of my head 558896;1394745290;HowardF;actually that again brings up the point of support rather than prevention. it could also summon a human rights / free lawyer to prevent indias corrupt police from harrasing victims 558897;1394745291;Azelphur;actually, here it is, http://buyvm.net/ $15 / year 558898;1394745293;ThickAsThieves;the app would be so easy to replicate 558899;1394745297;ThickAsThieves;i dont see how it can make money 558900;1394745305;Azelphur;HowardF: now that's a good idea 558901;1394745315;ughlol;Whatsapp isn't difficult to replicate. 558902;1394745320;Azelphur;although again, it's all unprofitable 558903;1394745332;ughlol;There are so many services like whatsapp. 558904;1394745334;ThickAsThieves;whatsapp had value cuz user data 558905;1394745335;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Legality wise I'm sure I could just say the book is part of the "Enhanced Reality game Bitcoin" like Micon does 558906;1394745343;ThickAsThieves;surely you dont intend to sell user data 558907;1394745344;Azelphur;ughlol: see what I'm saying? Starting up on $20 isn't hard ;) 558908;1394745346;Azelphur;just gotta be smart. 558909;1394745355;Azelphur;heck, you could startup on $0 558910;1394745366;ughlol;HowardF: yes, thats another great idea. Wow. I love discussing this here! :D The lawyer idea.. amazing. Thanks. *Noted* 558911;1394745366;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 558912;1394745368;HowardF;profit with this app is pretty much out. but non-profit support isn't 558913;1394745396;ThickAsThieves;yes you might be able to get a DV shelter to get a grant for it 558914;1394745400;HowardF;i think you're just in the wrong room to discuss this particular project 558915;1394745401;Azelphur;I tend to aim at $0 initial when I'm making new things 558916;1394745403;Azelphur;but I'm crazy. xD 558917;1394745424;ughlol;How about asking rape victims to donate after they get saved due to the app.. just to help other future rape victims? 558918;1394745428;ughlol;Would that also be insulting? 558919;1394745430;ThickAsThieves;well the problem is that's how he started 558920;1394745436;ThickAsThieves;who has money for me?! 558921;1394745439;ughlol;Not highly profitable, but we can make the break-even. 558922;1394745441;ThickAsThieves;social media! 558923;1394745453;Azelphur;ughlol: nope, this idea is a nonprofit 558924;1394745454;HowardF;not as insulting, no, but probably also not anywhere near enough to make it worth while. 558925;1394745462;ughlol;ah 558926;1394745474;ughlol;ah well 558927;1394745483;ughlol;some friends sent me here from bitcoin-otc.. 558928;1394745491;ThickAsThieves;you could make the app and charge DV shelters to implement custom localized versions 558929;1394745492;ughlol;sorry to waste all your time guys 558930;1394745507;Azelphur;ughlol: doesn't seem like a waste, you got some ideas, and you have more of an idea of what you can/can't do now 558931;1394745520;ughlol;Yes, thats true.. 558932;1394745529;ThickAsThieves;you may even make a living of it yourself 558933;1394745535;ThickAsThieves;but it's not an investment opportunity 558934;1394745540;Azelphur;hopefully you can make a nonprofit app that does the things we mentioned, like sending out a humanitarian lawyer and someone to help 558935;1394745540;ThickAsThieves;off* 558936;1394745547;Azelphur;at the very least you can help some people after the fact, I'd think 558937;1394745551;ughlol;haha, I wish to make an investment from my social network and leave the USP to actually help rape victims. 558938;1394745563;ughlol;Azelphur: definitely 558939;1394745567;ughlol;I will do that.. 558940;1394745571;HowardF;indeed... just a few tweaks and i actually think you have a workable idea. 558941;1394745593;Azelphur;ughlol: good luck, keep your code lightweight and you can run it on a 128MB buyvm server no problem 558942;1394745598;HowardF;focus more on support than prevention (though you can definately do both), and focus on grants from non-profits 558943;1394745626;ughlol;Thats great! :) Thanks guys.. will do. Saved this chat for reference and to remember the suggestions. 558944;1394745677;ughlol;I'll come back on this chan when I have the app ready and runny, and then make fun of benkay! (Just kidding). 558945;1394745710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30736 @ 0.00080103 = 24.6205 BTC [-] {3} 558946;1394745870;asciilifeform;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/31-year-old-son-jon-corzine-reported-dead 558947;1394745872;ozbot;31 Year Old Son Of Jon Corzine Reported Dead | Zero Hedge 558948;1394746503;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33725 @ 0.00080309 = 27.0842 BTC [+] {2} 558949;1394746869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21451 @ 0.00080142 = 17.1913 BTC [-] 558950;1394747479;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04535987 = 0.4536 BTC [+] {7} 558951;1394747762;benkay;did we rid -assets of the rapist? 558952;1394747851;benkay;BingoBoingo: can't you use Bitbet to hold the line? 558953;1394747867;benkay;hold/build/whatever the appropriate terminology is 558954;1394747921;BingoBoingo;benkay: Well, hedging on Bitbet would require sufficient betting interest in the event to make the event worthwhile to BitBet, and BitBet is showing sports betting with BTC isn't that big of a Market 558955;1394747967;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.074 = 0.222 BTC [-] 558956;1394748028;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 42 @ 0.073 = 3.066 BTC [-] {3} 558957;1394748035;mike_c;bitbet is showing that parimutuel sports betting isn't that big yet.. 558958;1394748047;ThickAsThieves;'When it comes to currencies, “community is everything,”' 558959;1394748064;ThickAsThieves;'Mr. Pierce said GoCoin’s analysis of the dogecoin community revealed a demographic very different from bitcoin’s, including many more women and less-tech-oriented users. He believes this in part stems from dogecoin’s logo' 558960;1394748103;ThickAsThieves;(WSJ) 558961;1394748205;BingoBoingo;mike_c: It seems more likely that BTC denominated sports betting is shrinking in terms of BTC bet 558962;1394748256;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154995.msg5660990#msg5660990 558963;1394748258;ozbot;BitBook.biz - Bitcoin sportsbook - Instant Withdrawals - Widely Trusted 558964;1394748283;benkay;such trust! 558965;1394748329;benkay;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=154995.msg5661115#msg5661115 558966;1394748330;ozbot;BitBook.biz - Bitcoin sportsbook - Instant Withdrawals - Widely Trusted 558967;1394748333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00080315 = 14.0551 BTC [+] 558968;1394748340;benkay;"Its very bad news why are you going to do this I am very upset need to rethink about this" 558969;1394748405;BingoBoingo;So far their winddown doesn't seem scammy. I managed to get my coins out. It's also likely that running the thing just was too much of a hassle. Then again, it could get really scammy. 558970;1394748434;benkay;best way to not lose btc is to not do anything with 'em 558971;1394748440;BingoBoingo;Pretty much. 558972;1394748523;ThickAsThieves;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-13/benchmark-backs-bitcoin-storage-provider-xapo.html 558973;1394748524;ozbot;Benchmark Backs Bitcoin Secure Storage Provider Xapo - Bloomberg 558974;1394748699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00572 = 0.1144 BTC [-] 558975;1394748707;benkay;yeah that's interesting 558976;1394748714;punkman;"When you want to safely store your bitcoin savings, use Xapo's Vault. We use layer after layer of proprietary security protocol, including man, machine, and even a mountain" 558977;1394748716;benkay;one of the funds that got hammered is behind that 558978;1394748943;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00080229 = 5.5358 BTC [-] 558979;1394749038;twizt;pankkake: someone pretending to be you PMing me 558980;1394749043;twizt;pankkakee 558981;1394749044;twizt;lol 558982;1394749126;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00080315 = 4.4976 BTC [+] 558983;1394749186;benkay;what's the scam, twizt? 558984;1394749224;twizt;trying to trade ltc for btc 558985;1394749250;twizt;i told him i only trade penis coin for vagina coin LOL 558986;1394749370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07300003 = 0.219 BTC [-] {2} 558987;1394749371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55722 @ 0.00080058 = 44.6099 BTC [-] {2} 558988;1394749492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2809 @ 0.00080315 = 2.256 BTC [+] 558989;1394749564;Neil;This MH370 thing is like a real-time slapstick farce. 558990;1394749702;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2014#558654 558991;1394749705;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 558992;1394749710;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: the privkeys are just printed on regular paper 558993;1394749715;nubbins`;upon which the sticker is laid 558994;1394749758;nubbins`;http://bitcoinexaminer.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/20130803_135932.jpg 558995;1394749772;benkay;gimme the lulz, Neil 558996;1394749813;benkay;it's kinda lolarious these vehicles aren't in touch with controllers at all time via satellite 558997;1394749836;benkay;unless of course i'm as usual missing an important part of the situation 558998;1394750042;asciilifeform;benkay: the funniest bit is that there is a real-time sat link - including remote control. 558999;1394750065;asciilifeform;this was introduced in a hurry after '9/11' and vanished from the media as quickly as it appeared. 559000;1394750097;ThickAsThieves;nubbins` do the blanks come with stickers? 559001;1394750178;asciilifeform;has anyone offered a prize for snarfing the key from an intact coin? 559002;1394750192;asciilifeform;i'm reasonably certain that it is possible to do so, but have no wish to steal from anyone. 559003;1394750285;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 559004;1394750327;ThickAsThieves;it's been done at hacker conferences and/or in a blog post I believe 559005;1394750346;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00080331 = 8.3946 BTC [+] {2} 559006;1394750374;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: link? 559007;1394750416;asciilifeform;if i recall, the current state-of-the-art involves a careful removal and replacement of the hologram 559008;1394750529;ThickAsThieves;http://codinginmysleep.com/casascius-physical-bitcoins-cracked-at-defcon/ 559009;1394750531;ozbot;Casascius Physical Bitcoins Cracked at Defcon - Coding In My Sleep - A Bitcoin Blog 559010;1394750548;nubbins`;old news ;D 559011;1394750555;nubbins`;apparently they left evidence of tampering 559012;1394750585;asciilifeform;not what i had in mind at all (if you want to know what, read the channel logs, no reason to repeat) 559013;1394750597;ThickAsThieves;i recall you talking on the topic before 559014;1394750616;ThickAsThieves;i'm not interested in them as a foolproof secure storage 559015;1394750628;ThickAsThieves;more a way for family member to store some 559016;1394750652;asciilifeform;i have very little interest in the subject of casascius in particular, but in general i like the idea of 'blowing' systems that make false promises of security. 559017;1394750658;ThickAsThieves;i trust my mom could keep a coin safe, a bitcoin however 559018;1394750684;benkay;safe + drives + paper backups 559019;1394750709;ThickAsThieves;+ solvent ink vinyl backups 559020;1394750737;benkay;bwaat? 559021;1394750778;nubbins`;like business signs 559022;1394750786;nubbins`;i'm not sure if blanks come with paper 559023;1394750792;nubbins`;err sorry 559024;1394750794;nubbins`;they do come with stickers 559025;1394750810;ThickAsThieves;drives can corrupt, aqueous ink can dissolve, paper can disintegrate 559026;1394750823;ThickAsThieves;solvent ink can only be removed with solvent 559027;1394750840;ThickAsThieves;vinyl has different weaknesses than paper 559028;1394750844;nubbins`;aluminum strips and embossing tape 559029;1394750863;benkay;sometime this year i hope to have an etching process up 559030;1394750863;nubbins`;http://www.qsupplies.com/productcart/pc/catalog/EX113288.jpg 559031;1394750880;ThickAsThieves;not bad nubbins 559032;1394750891;asciilifeform;consider clay tablet. 559033;1394750895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24430 @ 0.00080355 = 19.6307 BTC [+] 559034;1394750897;nubbins`;ooh that too 559035;1394750904;ThickAsThieves;does aluminum surive house fire? 559036;1394750908;nubbins`;doubt it 559037;1394750918;nubbins`;you can probably melt that tape with a bic 559038;1394750930;benkay;fast conduction tho 559039;1394750945;KRS1;alum melts easily 559040;1394750952;benkay;maybe instead of etching, i'll buy a small mill 559041;1394750965;nubbins`;<asciilifeform> has anyone offered a prize for snarfing the key from an intact coin? << not afaik. would have to be a hefty reward 559042;1394750987;nubbins`;since any failed attempt would mean the loss of not-insignificant value 559043;1394751024;ThickAsThieves;not sure who would fund such 559044;1394751034;asciilifeform;could offer prize specifically for reading the key without physically altering the coin. 559045;1394751056;asciilifeform;likewise it is not unreasonable to expect players to purchase their own test coin. 559046;1394751089;nubbins`;you can get brass coins for a premium of ~0.2btc 559047;1394751104;ThickAsThieves;loaded? 559048;1394751106;nubbins`;yeah 559049;1394751122;nubbins`;2013 1btc brass ones fetch 1.15-1.3 on the forums and -otc 559050;1394751193;nubbins`;i've seen some sellers offer 2013 0.5btc brass for 0.69 559051;1394751199;nubbins`;but i wouldn't sell mine for that low 559052;1394751251;nubbins`;the silvers fetch a higher premium, you wouldn't see a 1btc silver sell for less than 2.0-2.1 559053;1394751749;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43394 @ 0.00080395 = 34.8866 BTC [+] {2} 559054;1394752420;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04594999 = 0.1838 BTC [-] {3} 559055;1394752542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59763332 = 1.7929 BTC [+] {3} 559056;1394752603;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.603895 = 1.2078 BTC [+] {2} 559057;1394752908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.604 = 1.812 BTC [+] 559058;1394752969;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [+] 559059;1394753091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34388 @ 0.00080203 = 27.5802 BTC [-] {3} 559060;1394753274;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00354847 = 1.7742 BTC [-] {14} 559061;1394753640;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.605 = 2.42 BTC [+] 559062;1394754059;dexX7_;http://mark-karpeles.com/m.php wow 559063;1394754067;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.046 = 0.138 BTC [+] 559064;1394754239;dexX7_;gox trades and balances partly deanonymized with the help of the 2011 leak 559065;1394754372;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6899 @ 0.00014601 = 1.0073 BTC [-] {10} 559066;1394754525;ThickAsThieves;http://mark-karpeles.com/m.php?page=worst_traders 559067;1394755409;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00079891 = 3.1956 BTC [-] 559068;1394755531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-] 559069;1394755775;BingoBoingo;http://betabeat.com/2014/03/newsweek-reporter-bashes-fanatical-bitcoiners-on-facebook/ 559070;1394755776;ozbot;Newsweek Reporter Bashes ‘Fanatical’ Bitcoiners on Facebook | Betabeat 559071;1394756048;Duffer1;in before S.MKNY turns out to be a search engine 559072;1394756067;Duffer1;MNKY* 559073;1394756141;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 53 @ 0.0063834 = 0.3383 BTC [-] 559074;1394756202;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.006037 = 0.1328 BTC [-] {3} 559075;1394756203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00351602 = 0.7032 BTC [-] {9} 559076;1394756263;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.00297191 = 0.2972 BTC [-] {5} 559077;1394756338;turbo_ac100;The MoNKeY? Google bash on trilema? Sounds about right. 559078;1394756662;dub;wat 559079;1394756838;dub;oh mp discovered that google suck? 559080;1394756934;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1929 @ 0.00015196 = 0.2931 BTC [+] {5} 559081;1394757544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13078 @ 0.00079891 = 10.4481 BTC [-] 559082;1394758154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00079882 = 26.5208 BTC [-] {2} 559083;1394758516;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves lel toffoo is in that list! 559084;1394758526;nubbins`;;;rated toffoo 559085;1394758526;gribble;You rated user toffoo on Fri Jan 31 10:30:17 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: his btc for my merchandise! he sent first!. 559086;1394758546;nubbins`;ooh lightbox too 559087;1394758772;Duffer1;oh snap Deprived is back 559088;1394759557;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7940 @ 0.000152 = 1.2069 BTC [+] 559089;1394759740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.073 = 0.511 BTC [-] 559090;1394760144;BingoBoingo_;;;later tell mircea_popescu ATC trading statement has been mailed. 559091;1394760145;gribble;The operation succeeded. 559092;1394760228;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0037 = 0.37 BTC [-] 559093;1394760289;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.0037 = 0.1073 BTC [-] 559094;1394760290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00079961 = 5.1975 BTC [+] 559095;1394760960;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00591839 = 0.7102 BTC [+] {2} 559096;1394761627;decimation;asciilifeform I assume you saw the ios security document? 559097;1394762068;asciilifeform;decimation: which one? 559098;1394762112;decimation;http://images.apple.com/ipad/business/docs/iOS_Security_Feb14.pdf 559099;1394762119;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 530 @ 0.0059186 = 3.1369 BTC [+] 559100;1394762120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.605 = 3.025 BTC [+] 559101;1394762149;decimation;I would give apple credit, they are a cut above the usual silicon valley crowd security-wise 559102;1394762156;decimation;except you just have to trust apple 559103;1394762256;decimation;of course, white papers are on thing, actually showing the details of the code is a different matter 559104;1394762269;francis_wolke;http://www.theonion.com/articles/malaysian-airlines-expands-investigation-to-includ,35524/ 559105;1394762269;ozbot;Malaysia Airlines Expands Investigation To Include General Scope Of Space, Time | The Onion - Americ 559106;1394762269;asciilifeform;i see nothing remarkable in this document. 559107;1394762302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0059186 = 0.1302 BTC [-] 559108;1394762348;decimation;I wish they would release the firmware code 559109;1394762711;decimation;http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2012/Q3/new-system-could-predict-solar-flares,-give-advance-warning.html 559110;1394762712;ozbot;New system could predict solar flares, give advance warning 559111;1394762782;decimation;The system works by measuring differences in gamma radiation emitted when atoms in radioactive elements "decay," or lose energy. This rate of decay is widely believed to be constant, but recent findings challenge that long-accepted rule. 559112;1394763034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.072 = 1.44 BTC [-] 559113;1394763041;asciilifeform;http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/US-judge-dismisses-charges-in-Devyani-Khobragade-case/articleshow/31913140.cms 559114;1394763085;BingoBoingo;Slow news day, but for the bored: http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/03/invertebrates-inject-a-bit-of-romance-during-sexby-stabbing-each-other/ 559115;1394763096;benkay`;"discretely arrested by US department of state agents outside her children's Manhattan school" 559116;1394763108;benkay`;i suppose that's discreet, if you're the gestapo. 559117;1394763147;asciilifeform;note the role of the famous preet bharara - the roland freisler of our day. 559118;1394763186;decimation;no one can accuse USG of racism, that's for sure 559119;1394763332;decimation;why does a visa application list the salary of a housekeeper? 559120;1394764340;MisterE;http://i.imgur.com/XnCdLF9.jpg?1 559121;1394765230;benkay`;http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2014/03/in-turkey-renewed-anti-government-protests/100698/ 559122;1394765230;ozbot;In Turkey, Renewed Anti-Government Protests - In Focus - The Atlantic 559123;1394765235;benkay`;ignore those neo-nazis in crimea 559124;1394765320;benkay`;who's paying for all of these banners? http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/turkey031314/s_t07_78148535.jpg 559125;1394765352;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 909 @ 0.00014989 = 0.1363 BTC [+] {3} 559126;1394765412;decimation;Communists? 559127;1394765517;benkay`;is that who's trying to assume the mantle of power in turkey? 559128;1394765606;MisterE;Koch 559129;1394765788;BingoBoingo;Gambling and the regulation thereof http://www.bnd.com/2014/03/13/3107196/no-dice-amended-gambling-bill.html 559130;1394765823;benkay`;"concern about the impact on the neighboring Casino Queen prompted him to exclude Fairmount Park from getting gaming machines" 559131;1394765835;benkay`;that being the government's business, of course. 559132;1394765949;BingoBoingo;Of course, the Queen being 40% of East Saint's revenue and somehow managing to at the same time be a bigger shithole than East Saint 559133;1394765949;MisterE;and that boys and girls is how special interests run our government 559134;1394765960;MisterE;hahah 559135;1394765975;MisterE;I bet those jobs are monimum wage too 559136;1394765983;MisterE;minimum* 559137;1394765992;BingoBoingo;Oh, it is an "employee owned casino" 559138;1394765992;MisterE;while the execs and shareholders clean up 559139;1394765999;MisterE;oh 559140;1394766000;BingoBoingo;Whatever that can mean 559141;1394766006;MisterE;yea 559142;1394766020;BingoBoingo;I imagine it is like a reverse Berkshire 559143;1394766023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00079807 = 2.8331 BTC [-] 559144;1394766069;MisterE;man if Turkey destabilizes much more shit is gonna get real in the ME 559145;1394766097;MisterE;I should get over there 559146;1394766146;benkay`;what kinds of mischief would you get up to? 559147;1394766371;MisterE;Hmm maybe protest porn? 559148;1394766493;benkay`;naked ladies at the protest? 559149;1394766755;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.07181 = 0.2872 BTC [-] 559150;1394766816;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.04608125 = 0.3687 BTC [+] {4} 559151;1394766877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32553 @ 0.00079929 = 26.0193 BTC [+] {2} 559152;1394766938;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.0036 = 0.2412 BTC [-] {2} 559153;1394767304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.0036 = 0.1044 BTC [-] 559154;1394768158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07799118 = 0.156 BTC [+] 559155;1394768236;chetty;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/chinese-authorities-halt-virtual-credit-card-payments-tencent-yahoo-crashing 559156;1394768237;ozbot;Chinese Authorities Halt Virtual Credit Card Payments; Tencent, Yahoo Crashing | Zero Hedge 559157;1394768463;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07799118 = 0.39 BTC [+] 559158;1394768646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.0037 = 0.444 BTC [+] 559159;1394768768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00079961 = 6.3169 BTC [+] 559160;1394769059;Duffer1;http://www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit 559161;1394769059;ozbot;Twitch 559162;1394769065;Duffer1;heroes of the storm 559163;1394769267;MisterE;who Duffer1 ? 559164;1394769302;Duffer1;new blizz moba, it's just total biscuit playing 559165;1394769450;BingoBoingo;Kinda related to my writeup on basketball 559166;1394769453;BingoBoingo;http://deadspin.com/theres-no-basketball-crowd-like-one-close-to-free-big-1543241447 559167;1394769454;ozbot;There's No Basketball Crowd Like One Close To Free Big Macs 559168;1394769561;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.11950724 = 1.1951 BTC [-] 559169;1394769651;BingoBoingo;.d 559170;1394769652;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1845 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.5056% in 11d 11h 7m 10s 559171;1394769777;benkay`;chetty: why'd they do that? 559172;1394769831;MisterE;War with Russia will be good for the economy 559173;1394769848;MisterE;benkay`: Chinese hate things they can not control 559174;1394769866;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Prolly for the BTC ecomony and the remibi. Shit for the others though 559175;1394770660;BingoBoingo;cablepair is back https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66851.msg778189#msg778189 559176;1394770757;VanCleef;that's why china likes america 559177;1394770787;benkay`;http://thenitai.com/2014/03/12/why-you-might-not-want-to-incorporate-in-the-usa/ 559178;1394770789;ozbot;Why you might not want to incorporate in the USA | The Nitai (there can only be one) 559179;1394770867;benkay`;yuuuuuup. 559180;1394770891;benkay`;all forces are arrayed against starting a company here. 559181;1394770931;benkay`;we picked up a contractor from an associate's shop that had folded, and immediately (despite not hiring the man), got a fat packet of mail from the state about this gentleman's employment status asking us all sorts of inane questions. 559182;1394770946;benkay`;i don't even wat 559183;1394770990;Mats_cd03;http://imgur.com/a/EOghf 559184;1394770991;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 559185;1394771086;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07799118 = 0.234 BTC [+] 559186;1394771826;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/13/an-overview-of-betable-sports-part-2-basketball/ 559187;1394771828;ozbot;An Overview of Betable Sports Part 2: Basketball | Bingo Blog 559188;1394772545;benkay;davout i need more cello :( 559189;1394772602;chetty;http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/12/the-jailbird-crimes-on-twitter-have-soared-by-390-per-cent-4548653/ 559190;1394772612;ozbot;The jailbird: Crimes on Twitter have soared by 390 per cent | Metro News 559191;1394773260;BingoBoingo;Let's get ready for some transaction spam https://twitter.com/supertyler/status/444225344644857857 559192;1394773265;MisterE;http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/13/xapo-raises-20-million-to-bury-your-bitcoin-underground/ 559193;1394773266;ozbot;Xapo Raises $20 Million To Bury Your Bitcoin Underground | TechCrunch 559194;1394773401;lnovy;transaction reversibility, oh boy... 559195;1394773446;benkay;"It is not clear exactly what part social media played in the crimes. 559196;1394773447;benkay; 559197;1394773447;benkay;But Kent police, which investigated 3,528 crimes involving Facebook and 191 related to Twitter last year, gave one example where two women posted pictures online of themselves with stolen hubcaps." 559198;1394773470;benkay;so - poor people are flocking to social media and bringing their poor habits with them i gather. 559199;1394773476;benkay;among them, theft. 559200;1394773607;BingoBoingo;Seems like it 559201;1394773631;chetty;people are people 559202;1394773709;MisterE;seems like it 559203;1394773858;BingoBoingo;Is anyone else here developing a visceral dislike of medium.com blogs? 559204;1394773868;mircea_popescu;yes. 559205;1394773876;mircea_popescu;fucking js cruft everywhere 559206;1394773905;BingoBoingo;Great story, shit layout http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2014/3/12/5496096/james-scott-jailhouse-boxer-profile 559207;1394774032;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not a bad read that. glosses over some stuff, but at least it glosses over different stuff from the usg propaganda machine 559208;1394774058;BingoBoingo;HTML for content, CSS for layout and formating, JS for optional dohickeys 559209;1394774116;MisterE;what is not a bad read mircea_popescu ? 559210;1394774132;mircea_popescu;http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/10/ukraine-the-sovereignty-argument-and-the-real-problem-of-fascism 559211;1394774132;ozbot;Ukraine: The Sovereignty Argument, and the Real Problem of Fascism » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, 559212;1394774141;MisterE;ty 559213;1394774184;mircea_popescu;dexx jesus the butthurt with that woman is phenomenal. what happened to "i've been a stupid cunt and all it took you folks was five minutes to make it obvious. you're awesome thank you so much for taking the time!" 559214;1394774216;mircea_popescu;i guess they don't teach that in self-affirmative-shiteater classes for womenz in tech and other important things huh. 559215;1394774369;BingoBoingo;I find amazing that in spite of a decade and a half of shitfits related to "extremist groups" whose membership never exceeds the hundreds, actual instability still comes from nation-states whose membership numbers in the millions to the hundreds of millions 559216;1394774369;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 559217;1394774414;mircea_popescu;not rly in spite. 559218;1394774427;mircea_popescu;if your wife suddenly throws a jealousy fit out of the blue, you know she's just been cheating. 559219;1394774456;mircea_popescu;even braindead bitcointalk scammers know enough of the world to be screaming thief while stealing. 559220;1394774465;BingoBoingo;Or she cut out the implanon in her shoulder that was there to ward off the scammzor babies 559221;1394774563;mircea_popescu;Azelphur: yea, that's why I think an alarm would be better, that at least gets the attention of people around you << so they can join in ? 559222;1394774587;Azelphur;mircea_popescu: hehe, I still think people aren't all assholes ;) 559223;1394774612;mircea_popescu;repressive society tho. completely different environment. 559224;1394774627;Azelphur;yea, guess so 559225;1394774650;BingoBoingo;Actual anti-rape device http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/74629 559226;1394774675;mircea_popescu;this notion that a woman is a person is very novel and very strange, and rather limited geographically. notwithstanding what western progressives would like to pretend. 559227;1394774685;mircea_popescu;in most of the world, woman chiefly still means head of cattle. 559228;1394774712;lnovy;I'll just leave it here... http://youtu.be/D1XPS-j-O24 559229;1394774737;mircea_popescu;the only way that's changing is once it becomes more productive economically to work than to procreate, which is probably an euphemism for never 559230;1394774793;Azelphur;lnovy: haha 559231;1394774794;BingoBoingo;Depends a great deal on the woman 559232;1394774811;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo less than you'd think. humans are programmable, and women eminently so. 559233;1394774833;BingoBoingo;Anti-gang rape device, suitable for buses http://www.gunblast.com/KelTec-PMR30-2.htm 559234;1394774853;mircea_popescu;a gun ? 559235;1394774886;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, for some circumstances. 559236;1394774902;BingoBoingo;I assume the women who would use it would be untrainable 559237;1394774927;mircea_popescu;think full metal jacket. you see a bunch of women in there with gunnery sargeant gomer pyle ? 559238;1394774931;BingoBoingo;Might be more valuable operating the missiles, or as officers commanding the mine grunts 559239;1394774945;mircea_popescu;it takes six fucking months to break down the male blocks on killing, and even then it only works sorta 50-50. 559240;1394774970;mircea_popescu;and that's old 1970s data. by now... i'd be surprised if one kid out of ten ever becomes a useful soldier. 559241;1394774976;BingoBoingo;You see mor women killing with less hesitation in 2009 than you really had before since Joan of arc 559242;1394775007;BingoBoingo;And more the killing happens less in useful soldier applications 559243;1394775015;mircea_popescu;maybe. 559244;1394775020;mircea_popescu;this on tv or irl ? 559245;1394775046;BingoBoingo;IRL, I've got lots of antidotes, but nothing I can feed a stats machine 559246;1394775083;BingoBoingo;Male acquaitance killed a lot of goats and no people on a deployment, because everyone else was shooting 559247;1394775084;mircea_popescu;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1635092 559248;1394775084;ozbot;Men, women, and murder: gender-specific differences... [J Trauma. 1992] - PubMed - NCBI 559249;1394775107;BingoBoingo;Female acquaintance killed a lot of people because they were unfuckable 559250;1394775116;lnovy;Are those really comparable? It's bit different to kill and to kill as a soldier, no? 559251;1394775122;mircea_popescu;A total of 215,273 homicides were studied, 77% of which involved male victims and 23% female victims. Although women comprise more than half the U.S. population, they committed only 14.7% of the homicides noted during the study interval. 559252;1394775135;mircea_popescu;lnovy yes, in the sense that it's much easier as a solider. 559253;1394775168;mircea_popescu;basically murder works exactly like siegel indicated : "we don't kill mooks, we just off each other" 559254;1394775202;lnovy;I don't share that view... homicides are not always coldblooded killing... 559255;1394775217;lnovy;uncontrolable soldier is mostly useless 559256;1394775234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1853 @ 0.00079961 = 1.4817 BTC [+] 559257;1394775261;mircea_popescu;lnovy it's about a degree of magnitude easier for me to get some dood to shoot at "the enemy" than it'd be to get some woman to shoot at her would-be attacker. 559258;1394775276;mircea_popescu;and as far as guns are concerned, they're for killing not for displaying. 559259;1394775278;BingoBoingo;Most male vetrans I've seen drunk enough to spill the dark secrets spill that they didn't kill people. A majority of the women who admit to being in firefights admit to shooting to kill people because they really don't want to carry goat boy to term if the base is over run 559260;1394775311;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo those women also admit to having serious trouble ever dating. 559261;1394775322;lnovy;interesting 559262;1394775336;mircea_popescu;by the time yo uget her where she can defend herself at gunpoint, you also got her to where she's slipping herself roofies 559263;1394775353;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sometimes, but the blowjobs are above par 559264;1394775413;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo anyway, let's talk something interesting like business 559265;1394775429;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: SO you get the ATC fund's status. 559266;1394775433;mircea_popescu;the way i'm thinking, if you pick a sport you like and you actually know enough about to make a line, you can then make that line, and promote it like any bookie 559267;1394775445;mircea_popescu;this should be vig-profitable, whatever it's supposed to make, 8% or what was it. 559268;1394775462;BingoBoingo;Eh, but getting people, especially in BTC to bite on a line... is a challenge 559269;1394775477;mircea_popescu;i never heard of a promoter that had it easy. 559270;1394775486;BingoBoingo;They never do. 559271;1394775492;mircea_popescu;that's why the promoter makes dough. if it were easy it'd be every kid and his app situation 559272;1394775501;BingoBoingo;Right 559273;1394775519;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i never actually run gambling. but i'm vaguely aware it's a living, so 559274;1394775541;BingoBoingo;Apparently it is less of a living than it used to be. 559275;1394775550;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yeah, totally, community is everything. except they have no idea what that word means. 559276;1394775559;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo unlike what ? 559277;1394775565;mircea_popescu;fucking lawyering is less of a living than it used to be 559278;1394775571;BingoBoingo;The replacement level poker player is skilling up. 559279;1394775574;mircea_popescu;singer-songwriter is MUCH less of a living than it used to be 559280;1394775585;mircea_popescu;even cocksucking, if you believe the casino cocksuckers, is much less than it used to be 559281;1394775603;BingoBoingo;lawyering and s/sing are going down because the replacement level for each sucks more. 559282;1394775626;mircea_popescu;mebbe. but for whatever reason... nothing makes what it used to make. 559283;1394775634;BingoBoingo;Has it ever? 559284;1394775645;mircea_popescu;kinda the point, bank clerks cca 1950 could maintain a nice beachfront house in california, a housewife and her children 559285;1394775656;mircea_popescu;bank vps can't afford the same today, with the wife working. 559286;1394775698;BingoBoingo;1950 was around the time fiat reached its maximum leverage though. 559287;1394775726;mircea_popescu;( http://trilema.com/2012/the-wrong-man/ point in case. guy in that movie is a fine example) 559288;1394775797;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves punkman benkay it's wences' new thing. he previously made the same exact thing (lemon) which apparently got sold. 559289;1394775905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2566 @ 0.0008004 = 2.0538 BTC [+] 559290;1394775922;BingoBoingo;Is Joe the new John Doe? 559291;1394775925;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2014/me-at-its-finest/ 559292;1394775926;ozbot;Me at its finest pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 559293;1394775937;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can probably laser/gamma/magnetic resonance for the ink inside huh. 559294;1394775939;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo pretty much. 559295;1394775950;BingoBoingo;Works well 559296;1394775989;mircea_popescu;dub more like found a good angle to humiliated people with it. 559297;1394776056;mircea_popescu;;;later tell decimation as far as i recall the theory behind carbon dating and especialyl the "constant decay" part has been under fire for decades. 559298;1394776056;gribble;The operation succeeded. 559299;1394776070;BingoBoingo;Oh, the miners are digging into the ATC bid wall nao 559300;1394776104;joecool;literally lol'd @ that post 559301;1394776157;joecool;got worried when i saw the link and thought it was about me 559302;1394776173;mircea_popescu;lol 559303;1394776182;mircea_popescu;no see \cause you're joeCOOL 559304;1394776187;mircea_popescu;these are just plain joe. 559305;1394776244;mircea_popescu;sooo... turkey going up in flames too huh. 559306;1394776271;mircea_popescu;curious if they finally turn muslim, ataturk's memory and the military can only go so far. 559307;1394776295;mircea_popescu;snotty eu refused to let them in when they had a chance, and much to their detriment, as a eu member turkey would have definitely taken the eu out of any crisis 559308;1394776297;mircea_popescu;and now... 559309;1394776309;BingoBoingo;They've been sliding more muslin for two decades now 559310;1394776323;mircea_popescu;yup 559311;1394776329;mircea_popescu;it's gone, basically. 559312;1394776332;BingoBoingo;Eu needed them more 559313;1394776351;mircea_popescu;much like the crimeea. you can posutre all you want, but in the realpolitik world crimeea was gone the moment obama got raped over syria. 559314;1394776367;mircea_popescu;in a sense, kerry's idiocy sealed its fate, had he kept his stupid mouth shut... 559315;1394776378;joecool;putin keepin the pimp hand strong 559316;1394776381;BingoBoingo;At least the Black Sea doesn't seem like ti will be a shooting war anytime soon 559317;1394776411;mircea_popescu;and obviously, the little secret nobody wants to share in the english language propaganda machine is that currently russian jets are about two classes over anything nato can fly. 559318;1394776426;mircea_popescu;not even counting the pilots, just the machines. 559319;1394776429;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Crimea was sealed in the NATO Libya intervention when the French Raphaels outperformed the new US aircraft 559320;1394776439;mircea_popescu;right. 559321;1394776441;mircea_popescu;and the raphs suck. 559322;1394776470;BingoBoingo;I dunno that the raphs suck 559323;1394776475;mircea_popescu;turns out it's not enough to be really firmly convinced you're cool. gotta also do homework. 559324;1394776490;BingoBoingo;Russia wins on fast planes 559325;1394776532;mircea_popescu;and on radar 559326;1394776535;BingoBoingo;US wins on ONGWTFBBQ planes, but they don'e have many of them... Most aren't approved for flight because pilots need oxygen 559327;1394776541;mircea_popescu;and on countermissile and on a ton of other shit 559328;1394776600;BingoBoingo;The US pretty much only seems to have the solid win on strategic bombers... and if those are needed the war's been lost 559329;1394776646;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the latest su can actually outfly sidewinders 559330;1394776673;mircea_popescu;well the problem is... strategic bombers are useless in this context. the russians can airplane-intercept tomahawks as it is. 559331;1394776678;mircea_popescu;what's a bomber to do ? 559332;1394776692;BingoBoingo;Well, according to the Hollywood liason office SU just sells knock off plans to china. 559333;1394776708;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, there's the B-2... ANd that's about it. 559334;1394776741;mircea_popescu;su = sukhoi 559335;1394776749;BingoBoingo;B-2 can fly from western Missouri to western Missouri 559336;1394776789;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: US only really advertised the MIGs as potention OPFOR... Prolly for morale reasons 559337;1394776798;mircea_popescu;not if it gets a fuelbomb dropped on its head 559338;1394776801;chetty;but the US planes were all designed and built according to standards - and union rules and all, they must be the best 559339;1394776822;mircea_popescu;chetty no doubt about it, they're the best union builds :D 559340;1394776828;chetty;:D 559341;1394776849;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah. the migs, here's a funny story about the migs : 559342;1394776858;joecool;china getting any good at knockoffs? 559343;1394776862;mircea_popescu;the nato exercise in 2012 consisted of a romanian team flying migs (old migs, mind you) as "the enemy" 559344;1394776876;mircea_popescu;the romanian team downed half the us planes, and a bunch of french and dutch 559345;1394776879;mircea_popescu;it was a carnage. 559346;1394776881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.0008004 = 15.5678 BTC [+] 559347;1394776884;BingoBoingo;AH 559348;1394776886;mircea_popescu;lesson learned ? zero. 559349;1394776910;mircea_popescu;and these are people who can barely afford the fuel to fly the damned rust buckets. 559350;1394776921;chetty;they musta cheated 559351;1394776926;mircea_popescu;(they did have the jewish elecwarfare upgrades tho, which apparently are damned good) 559352;1394776929;BingoBoingo;Well, the US killed their most capable carriet based aircraft because Iran needed spare parts... 559353;1394777057;BingoBoingo;Well on the news the USN is talking about getting more EWAR variant F/A 18's but the pentagon wants more money for vaporware F-35's because they can take off and land like a helicopter 559354;1394777125;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48384 @ 0.00080062 = 38.7372 BTC [+] {2} 559355;1394777187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2816 @ 0.00080198 = 2.2584 BTC [+] 559356;1394777241;joecool;BingoBoingo: and congress is old and keeps earmarking more tanks 559357;1394777248;mircea_popescu;and to top it all off, we don't even know what the chinese are flying. 559358;1394777276;joecool;mircea_popescu: i would guess it doesn't really matter what, but there will be a lot of whatever what is 559359;1394777277;mircea_popescu;tho if we're to apply the old yurpean wisdom, considering how fucking scared the russians must be to spend so much on their sus... the chinese must be pretty bad. 559360;1394777279;BingoBoingo;Honestly I think China is selling designs to SU now 559361;1394777282;joecool;zerg rushers, etc 559362;1394777294;mircea_popescu;joecool maybe. the thing with them is that they're really good at keeping secrets. 559363;1394777312;joecool;mircea_popescu: wall builders are usually good at that 559364;1394777335;mircea_popescu;no chinese gouzenko's let alone wikileaks 559365;1394777347;mircea_popescu;and so we literally don't know wtf their jets actually are. 559366;1394777380;BingoBoingo;Who wanted to trade Rare Earths yesterday... MisterE? 559367;1394777382;mircea_popescu;but you know, when in 500ad the sarmatians started pushing west, you knew something was scaring them at the other end. 559368;1394777405;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2014#557705 559369;1394777408;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 559370;1394777477;mircea_popescu;wow all caught up with log. iiincredible. 559371;1394777484;BingoBoingo;Indeed 559372;1394777500;BingoBoingo;I plan on falling behind in about 20 hours again 559373;1394777517;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/5e3a7342a73f477fbc5952bf184ea4ab/tumblr_mu3o7p4YE01s8tt3vo1_500.jpg 559374;1394777523;mircea_popescu;here's a nice outfit to celebrate. 559375;1394777523;BingoBoingo;First I need to come up with a fundraising plan for blog 559376;1394777563;Dimsler;mircea_popescu, how was your vacation? 559377;1394777705;BingoBoingo;Would there be more interest in this oil painting http://imgur.com/F6IjZAJ or years, plural of an advertising placement on the blog? 559378;1394777735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31878 @ 0.00080198 = 25.5655 BTC [+] 559379;1394777753;BingoBoingo;My fundraising target for the blog is 2-8 BTC, which should be enough to keep it hosted... forever 559380;1394777822;BingoBoingo;I'm amenable to parting with both the painting of Kim Jung Il's heart attack on a train and a portion of my sidebar together. 559381;1394777893;BingoBoingo;If one of the other bloggers want to be the Patron I would be amenable to Slashdot coaching. 559382;1394777993;joecool;BingoBoingo: which blog? 559383;1394778026;BingoBoingo;joecool: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/ 559384;1394778069;joecool;BingoBoingo: what kind of traffic 559385;1394778076;BingoBoingo;joecool: I am skeptical that I can find sponsors atm in the 2-8 BTC range, but... the blog made slasdot twice in 2014 559386;1394778087;BingoBoingo;joecool: Traffic is erratic 559387;1394778090;B007;http://bitcoinaware.com/article/12248/xapo-raises-20-million-for-ultra-secure-bitcoin-storage/ 559388;1394778090;ozbot;Bitcoin Aware | Aritcles | Xapo Raises $20 Million for Ultra-Secure Bitcoin Storage 559389;1394778124;joecool;BingoBoingo: site is abit rough on the eyes, my co is doing design for youmeandbtc in return for advertising 559390;1394778147;joecool;http://www.youmeandbtc.com/ < old 559391;1394778147;ozbot;You, Me, and BTC 559392;1394778150;joecool;http://207.12.89.216/ < new 559393;1394778150;ozbot;You, Me, and BTC - 559394;1394778158;joecool;(not done yet, but getting there) 559395;1394778175;BingoBoingo;joecool: The design aesthetic on my site is ENTIRELY intentional 559396;1394778187;BingoBoingo;I might get a softer linen background 559397;1394778208;BingoBoingo;I prefer minimal styling though. 559398;1394778216;BingoBoingo;As a moral cause 559399;1394778270;BingoBoingo;And my best viewership in one day was 34,205 viewers with javascript enabled 559400;1394778303;B007;Support BingoBlog by sending coins to: 17sTosfHxNzGD4VUP3pjoHCEVofzSEcL95 559401;1394778317;joecool;BingoBoingo: ah, you might want to look at moving it to something like dropplets 559402;1394778323;joecool;if you're really serious about minimalism 559403;1394778329;BingoBoingo;joecool: WTFis droplets? 559404;1394778347;joecool;http://dropplets.com/ < 559405;1394778348;ozbot;Welcome to an Easier Way to Blog 559406;1394778367;joecool;doesn't even use a db 559407;1394778402;B007;BingoBoingo: what do you do irl? 559408;1394778446;BingoBoingo;B007: I am a trained librarian who does freelance work because I was fed a lie... Well a lot of lies 559409;1394778448;benkay;droplets, eh? i imagine i'll go flat flat text with bare links next. 559410;1394778485;joecool;might want to look at bootstrap too 559411;1394778495;joecool;it's a little more "traditional" looking 559412;1394778507;joecool;http://getbootstrap.com/examples/blog/ < etc 559413;1394778508;ozbot;Blog Template for Bootstrap 559414;1394778532;B007;librarian? like restock shelves? or do research ? 559415;1394778570;BingoBoingo;B007: My experience in grad school was in Health Sciences librarianship, but... school is a lie 559416;1394778585;BingoBoingo;joecool: Bootstrap is not happening 559417;1394778594;BingoBoingo;Dropplet is probably not happening 559418;1394778641;B007;how is school a lie 559419;1394778651;B007;or I guess for you was 559420;1394778651;benkay;no bingo you see what you really want is something really fancy someone spent a shitload of money on designing 559421;1394778666;benkay;someone who really matters in the ux world like twitter 559422;1394778676;benkay;that's how you drive pageviews! 559423;1394778695;B007;my website has only my own pageviews 559424;1394778709;benkay;ugh yes everything must now be flat text files gpg signed 559425;1394778719;mircea_popescu;Dimsler very long 559426;1394778743;BingoBoingo;benkay: You understand. I want something ever so slightly more friendly for machine readers than human readers, and I only want rounded surfaced on my dick in sum bitch's mouth 559427;1394778751;joecool;benkay: well if you want lots of pageviews and don't really care who its from, use buzzfeed as example (or newsweek lol) 559428;1394778775;benkay;yeah you can get real far with the sv crowd chasing those lcd pageviews 559429;1394778806;benkay;anyways you guys i get to experience America this weekend! 559430;1394778834;benkay;some family is flying babydoll and i out for her sister's birthday. this includes a Hajj to Disneyland, apparently. 559431;1394778836;BingoBoingo;B007: It was a lie in the sense that the program admitted 3x more students than the market would bear and the students who got hired all sucked a meaner dick than I would 559432;1394778864;mircea_popescu;benkay you're not living in the US ?! 559433;1394778877;benkay;california is a different country man 559434;1394778879;mircea_popescu;bejeez all these foreigner terrorists getting uppity... 559435;1394778883;mircea_popescu;oic 559436;1394778891;mircea_popescu;so your gf is from topeka 559437;1394778894;joecool;benkay: i'd like to think florida is too 559438;1394778902;mircea_popescu;the shame 559439;1394778913;benkay;topeka? 559440;1394778916;BingoBoingo;Oh, benkay I would have pegged you as being from the Republic of Oregon 559441;1394778920;benkay;as in the styx? 559442;1394778924;benkay;sticks? 559443;1394778931;mircea_popescu;topeka, kansas. 559444;1394778937;mircea_popescu;in which you're not anymore, babydoll! 559445;1394778943;benkay;right right 559446;1394778946;benkay;sticks, in the vernacular 559447;1394778957;BingoBoingo;joecool: How much to kill http://www.youmeandbtc.com/ with fire? 559448;1394778973;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Topeka_1869.jpg 559449;1394778989;benkay;BingoBoingo my location's pretty trivially deductable 559450;1394778991;joecool;BingoBoingo: lol 559451;1394779002;benkay;no points 559452;1394779040;joecool;BingoBoingo: in other news, pm 559453;1394779045;BingoBoingo;? 559454;1394779215;B007;if you donate I will luv you forever http://www.binaryspawn.com/donate/ 559455;1394779451;B007;so what are some good books to learn about finance? 559456;1394779456;B007;or websites? 559457;1394779523;BingoBoingo;B007: I'd suggest Kritik der Urteilskraft 559458;1394779752;B007;ask for finance book, get philosophical book 559459;1394779765;B007;It does lool interesting though 559460;1394779766;benkay;The Rational Investor 559461;1394779776;chetty;same thing B007 559462;1394779801;benkay;wait hang on wrong title 559463;1394779835;BingoBoingo;B007: You wanted a book on subjective decision making, I offered te same 559464;1394779858;B007;yes, thanks 559465;1394779862;MisterE;great Belarus is getting involved 559466;1394779918;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Link plox? 559467;1394779931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00080383 = 10.289 BTC [+] 559468;1394779932;MisterE;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26564851 559469;1394779934;ozbot;BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Russia tells UN it does not want war 559470;1394779942;MisterE;In a sign the tension may be spreading, Belarus - a Russian ally - confirmed Moscow had deployed, at its request, extra fighter jets and military transport aircraft after Nato boosted its forces in the neighbouring Baltic countries. 559471;1394780213;BingoBoingo;I wonder if kakobrekla might want to help keep my blog alive for bit4x advertising and an oil painting? 559472;1394780321;kakobrekla;hm, perhaps i get you some adaptive css instead? 559473;1394780321;mircea_popescu;;;later tell dimsler whoa that was quick. 559474;1394780321;gribble;The operation succeeded. 559475;1394780340;mircea_popescu;"China's Li Keqiang warns investors to prepare for wave of bankruptcies" 559476;1394780707;B007;"serious challenges" 559477;1394780724;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49650 @ 0.00079969 = 39.7046 BTC [-] 559478;1394780748;B007;" Beijing is copying the Japanese tactic of ramping up public infrastructure spending to replace the steep slowdown in private sector investment." 559479;1394780749;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: That might work 559480;1394780783;MisterE;China is in a world of hurt 559481;1394780791;MisterE;they just dont want the world to know it 559482;1394780809;benkay;but jets? 559483;1394780820;benkay;my money's on drone swarms. 559484;1394780835;BingoBoingo;My hope is I do this one fundraiser. Someone gets a year or decade of advertising, and the balance keeps the site alive for literally, rather than merely figuratively... forever. 559485;1394780867;benkay;wow there's an idea forever hosting 559486;1394780872;benkay;o wait blockchain 559487;1394780879;benkay;stick it in the blockchain, BingoBoingo 559488;1394780915;BingoBoingo;benkay: Site can't be hosted in the blockchain, but a contract can. 559489;1394780955;benkay;i heard tell of... 559490;1394780964;*;benkay hushes voice and looks around 559491;1394780993;benkay;js embedded in the blockchain that executes in browsers 559492;1394780996;benkay;oh no! 559493;1394780997;BingoBoingo;benkay: basically the thought is if BTC keeps going up 30x a year, only a few BTC now can host a site for eternity 559494;1394781027;benkay;put up a paywall. 559495;1394781104;BingoBoingo;benkay: Too young. Need at least three years... Or a catastrophic nuclear attack on New York, DC, and LA 559496;1394781122;benkay;you're missing the point. 559497;1394781130;benkay;donations suck. 559498;1394781133;benkay;sell credits 559499;1394781160;benkay;this should be a wp plugin 559500;1394781170;benkay;someone call phpbrekla 559501;1394781170;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H25lz7gchaw 559502;1394781171;ozbot;Eiffel 65 - I'm Blue - YouTube 559503;1394781201;BingoBoingo;benkay: The thing is there is yet to be solid infrastructure for credits or advertising in BTC 559504;1394781218;BingoBoingo;Aged an critical elders can sell credits 559505;1394781242;benkay;you have the price dial to turn as well 559506;1394781258;benkay;furthermore the blog credit market needs some price discovery 559507;1394781269;cads;hwy guys have you hear about that new cryptocurrency based on protein folding? 559508;1394781271;BingoBoingo;benkay: It what way can I really turn the dial though 559509;1394781285;*;cads wishes he wasn't just pulling your legs 559510;1394781290;benkay;well one of two directions, right? 559511;1394781304;benkay;either cheaper or more expensive 559512;1394781337;kakobrekla;meh even the non btc advertising platforms are scams 559513;1394781339;mircea_popescu;cads noobs gotta think they're smart, you know ? 559514;1394781343;kakobrekla;how can you expect anything more from btc ones 559515;1394781346;BingoBoingo;In an immature market though... The dial might not even be attached to the cam 559516;1394781364;cads;mircea_popescu: I got it. What do you call a cryptocurrency based on protein folding? 559517;1394781370;benkay;or sell access to specific pieces 559518;1394781372;cads;An amino-asset. 559519;1394781374;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: Well, I've seen little actual promise from ads in either space 559520;1394781389;benkay;cads brilliant 559521;1394781391;Duffer1;............... 559522;1394781423;BingoBoingo;And somehow this shit is more betable than Basketball http://kotaku.com/league-of-legends-pro-attempted-suicide-after-tournamen-1542880793 559523;1394781456;mircea_popescu;hahaha 559524;1394781467;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1726375/plain/) 559525;1394781467;mircea_popescu;!b 8 559526;1394781543;BingoBoingo;I swear I tried to do the basketball post as honestly as I could without calling it nigger golf 559527;1394781562;benkay;bahahaha 559528;1394781590;MisterE;most pro sports are dominated by blacks 559529;1394781596;benkay;wow that kotaku article's full of lulz as well. dude crumpled some modern tin fake building and didn't die. 559530;1394781628;MisterE;heh, I'll read 559531;1394781696;cads;"The Skynet hypothesis is a boogeyman intended to scare the young and the paranoid. The real threat from AI is that it will become so good at the pointless tasks that we have given it that those pointless tasks will become a black hole of resources." I am reading an article about a concept the author calls malignant computing - computing that increases itself and hurts the market in an effort to perpetuate itself. http://radar.oreilly. 559532;1394781696;cads;com/2014/03/malignant-computation.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+oreilly/radar/atom+(O'Reilly+Radar) 559533;1394781696;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Explain Hockey? 559534;1394781717;MisterE;I cant it sounds dumb 559535;1394781726;MisterE;but I've been to a hockey game and it's very cool 559536;1394781742;MisterE;its one of those that does poorly transferring to TV 559537;1394781750;MisterE;unlike basketball that seems built for tv 559538;1394781775;MisterE;and ftr I think hockey is still dominated by white barbarians 559539;1394781853;cads;Arguments like that have been raised originally against high frequency trading, and as we're familier with, against the hashchain algorithm. 559540;1394781897;cads;the author seems to hint that if a proof of work system is going to be malignant and self expandingit may as well be proof of some universally useful work 559541;1394781941;BingoBoingo;Well I'll post this again in case anyone can't scroll up http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/13/an-overview-of-betable-sports-part-2-basketball/ 559542;1394781950;benkay;what, securing the monetary base isn't universally useful? 559543;1394781951;cads;but only gives as an example Primecoin, a c-currency where the proof of work involves finding primes. 559544;1394782010;mircea_popescu;http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/truck-driver-who-wore-vampire-fangs-accused-of-keeping-sex-slaves-in-semitrailer-for-months/ 559545;1394782011;ozbot;Truck Driver Who Wore Vampire Fangs Accused Of Keeping Sex Slaves In Semitrailer For Months « CBS L 559546;1394782016;mircea_popescu;utah vampyre 559547;1394782053;mircea_popescu;cads you realise that's a whole lot of ignorant nonsense do you ? 559548;1394782185;MisterE;http://coingen.io/ 559549;1394782194;MisterE;everyone can have a crypto coin 559550;1394782245;cads;can we make a computing system that grows such that it harms the market? sure, high speed trading has caused serious disasters - but we can also argue those are just growing pains and we're better off for the high speed bots. 559551;1394782287;mircea_popescu;that's besides the point. there's a certain troop of losers that have had a purely ideological problem with bitcoin mining since 2009 559552;1394782299;mircea_popescu;the idea is that bitcoin uses energy, and they don't like using energy. period. 559553;1394782306;cads;right 559554;1394782332;mircea_popescu;now, that this is hogwashed into something pompous sounding like "malignant computing" is exactly typical of the mannerisms of the particular ideological group in question. 559555;1394782347;mircea_popescu;the gargle holds no futher merit past its function as a retard magnet. 559556;1394782396;chetty;I want a time machine, send those folks back to walk streets a foot deep in horse shit 559557;1394782402;mircea_popescu;perhaps amusing an exercise would be restructuring the argument, except directed at them. 559558;1394782414;mircea_popescu;malignant pseudopolitics is this process which expands to occupy all fora available. 559559;1394782416;MisterE;http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/scientist-devised-crypto-attack-could-one-day-steal-secret-bitcoin-keys/ 559560;1394782417;ozbot;Scientist-devised crypto attack could one day steal secret Bitcoin keys | Ars Technica 559561;1394782425;mircea_popescu;sort-of what the socialists are doing in the us, or the communists did in the soviet union. 559562;1394782449;mircea_popescu;it's malignant alright, it's pointless alright, with or without all the huffpo crap the world would be exactly in the same position. 559563;1394782461;mircea_popescu;nao what ? purely ideological construct, works just as well in any random direction. 559564;1394782543;cads;mircea_popescu: lets leave aside the author's obvious retardation and focus on prime coin and the idea of doing externally useful work as a side effect of the cryptocurrency. 559565;1394782544;mircea_popescu;the entire thing shows striking similarities to the peta-and-animal-saving debacle, for that matter. 559566;1394782560;mircea_popescu;well, there are two major problems involved here. 559567;1394782587;mircea_popescu;one would seem to be thermodynamic, which is to say that the total utility of work available is limited, and if you do outside useful work you won't do the work you set out to do in the first place. 559568;1394782607;mircea_popescu;this could be understood on a macro level as "if there are outside constraints on your pow process, you'll need that many more iterations" 559569;1394782609;cads;the author does provide me with say 30 bits of novel information (I had not known of prime coin - the paper is interesting) 559570;1394782643;mircea_popescu;im not debating whether it's interesting, it's definitely interesting. i'm just saying it;'s stupid. stupid things are usually interesting, at least as amusements 559571;1394782656;cads;first example of a scientific computing cryptocurrency (and I certainly hope we'll see more useful ones as well) 559572;1394782702;Duffer1;scientific utility of a cunningham chain discovery mechanism is debatable 559573;1394782718;mircea_popescu;no but you're math-literate, how would this work ? you compute two things with the same stone ? what's the idea here ? 559574;1394782734;cads;mircea_popescu> this could be understood on a macro level as "if there are outside constraints on your pow process, you'll need that many more iterations" 559575;1394782761;cads;this would be neat to model, and may well be true in a very theormodynamic sense 559576;1394782762;cads;hmm 559577;1394782772;mircea_popescu;ok, let me offer what i believe is a homomorphism 559578;1394782787;mircea_popescu;"you can make any sha key you want, as long as every other byte is FA" 559579;1394782799;mircea_popescu;now. does this mean your key will simply have to be twice as long for equal security ? 559580;1394782920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10099644 = 0.202 BTC [+] 559581;1394782922;BingoBoingo;lol 559582;1394782943;mircea_popescu;im probably restating well known and anciently established mathematical fact, but here, mp's lemma : any computation of two results can be reduced to two computations of the respective results, and the sum of the energy consumed by the latter will be at most equal to the energy consumed by the former process. 559583;1394782970;BingoBoingo;Sounds reasonable 559584;1394783044;mircea_popescu;and actually this could probably be expanded into interesting results for ppl trying to understand various higher level maths. "define a comutative algebra in which a ring can exist for which any addition also calculates a multiplication and vice-versa" 559585;1394783082;BingoBoingo;Shame Erdos and his bog bag of meth are out of the picture 559586;1394783091;mircea_popescu;something like the 2+2 = 4 2*2 = 4 sorta thing. 559587;1394783103;cads;let me offer a counter "you can solve a partial hash collision problem (something like an O(2^k) expected running time), or you can solve a np-complete problem requiring brute searching a binary tree of height k (assume similar expected chance of success)." 559588;1394783131;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no we want like emmy noether for this shit 559589;1394783169;cads;Now suppose both solutions are verifiably by a third party in polynomial time. But suppose additionally that the answer for the second problem also has a value of $100 to the third party. The question is should the second process take more energy to compute? 559590;1394783188;BingoBoingo;Like he didn't have a big bag of meth either 559591;1394783368;cads;I feel the value supposition must be completely independent and coincidental to the energy requirements. You could even suppose it is pure coincidence the output of the second algorithm is structured such that it's useful to the third party. 559592;1394783453;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's clearly interesting. or as the romanian expression goes, "un prostovan arunca o piatra in apa si zece filosofi se chinuie s-o scoata" 559593;1394783507;mircea_popescu;cads but if it's purely coincidental then you don't have a pow that does protein folding, you just have a pow that occasionally folds a protein 559594;1394783524;mircea_popescu;i imagine after enough btc blocks, we'll actually get shakespeare's merchant of venice in the hashes, so why not 559595;1394783530;cads;mircea_popescu: it's without question that anyone can look at the outputs of the two algorithms and verify that ~2^k energy was expended. Perhaps the problem happens when we require the second algorithm to also guarantee a useful output relative to the third party. 559596;1394783539;mircea_popescu;aha. 559597;1394783542;mircea_popescu;exactly. 559598;1394783581;BingoBoingo;The rejected hashes might already contain that play. 559599;1394783607;cads;i don't see it because regardless of the supposed usefullness, the algorithm still uses 2^k energy. 559600;1394783664;mircea_popescu;cads no but the key is your "or". turn it to "and" and see. 559601;1394783675;mircea_popescu;cause really to work as advertised or is no good 559602;1394783691;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo emmy noether was a woman 559603;1394783703;mircea_popescu;possibly the smartest woman that ever lived. 559604;1394783774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 32 @ 0.0063672 = 0.2038 BTC [-] {2} 559605;1394783796;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Once they hit the crystal... It's just safest to assign them the pronoun that inspires the least sexual interest. 559606;1394783835;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.00637406 = 0.2868 BTC [+] {4} 559607;1394783851;mircea_popescu;a bit ironic because the poor woman suffered plenty through being a woman. ended up teaching under hilbert's name because the sort of boneheads roaming about end of 19th century couldn't have a woman colleague 559608;1394783941;BingoBoingo;Indeed. Most of the really big breaks in computational theory cam from the women before the dorks realized they could make their own fantasy worlds. 559609;1394783984;cads;well lets see a better example. Problem 1 makes us solve the travelling salesman problem on random graphs. Problem 2 makes us solve travelling salesman on maps that appear indistinguishable from the first ones, but in fact encode valuable information in their solutions. For your hypothesis to be true, it should be impossible for the second problem to cost less energy than the first? 559610;1394783987;BingoBoingo;Also ironic, how pissed would the whales be if they knew we used the same word for our losers and their dicks. 559611;1394784019;BingoBoingo;cads: Define indistinguishable 559612;1394784039;mircea_popescu;cads not at all. my lemma is more general, in your proposed terms it would be : 559613;1394784057;cads;BingoBoingo: right, I'm to tired to do that rigorously or even tell if why I said even makes sense. 559614;1394784060;BingoBoingo;For most naive attempts at implementations the second set would likely be simpler and cheaper than the first 559615;1394784078;cads;BingoBoingo: right 559616;1394784144;mircea_popescu;should an algorithm exist to resolve the problem of ts on randomly distributed graphs, an application of that algorithm on a selected set of graphs with a useful application will cost more than the normal by an ammount at least equal to the cost of computing the useful application. 559617;1394784181;BingoBoingo;I mean for the first set you could probably encode information much as RSA does. I don't have enough vodka on hand to speculate if that would be a good idea. Most of Elliptic curve cryptography works on spaces that can be played with in graph theory world though. 559618;1394784202;mircea_popescu;ie, if on average your useless-pow block costs 1, the useful-pow will cost 1+ε, where ε >= the useful 559619;1394784237;cads;mircea_popescu: I don't feel it mathematically yet but I feel why we'd like this to hold, economically 559620;1394784260;BingoBoingo;In a world with Auroa coin and Mazacoin... THere is a good chance random graphs might mine better in tard efforts at implementation 559621;1394784262;mircea_popescu;to me it's quite straightforwardly obvious but im much too wasted to be able to show it. 559622;1394784302;cads;mircea_popescu: I think we should be able to test the hypothesis directly against the primecoin if we try hard enough 559623;1394784307;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Your lemma is sensical so long as it is restricted to hard POW's 559624;1394784316;mircea_popescu;cads but would we be able to trust the results 559625;1394784324;cads;mircea_popescu: I feel the same here, for the opposite side 559626;1394784326;mircea_popescu;this is not unlike proving a given set of numbers is "random" 559627;1394784334;BingoBoingo;cads: Primecoin isn't even that cool at finding useful primes 559628;1394784352;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i suppose it degenerates into some sort of banal equality otherwise 559629;1394784384;Duffer1;not even primes, just cunningham prime chains 559630;1394784393;Duffer1;Riecoin is the one for large primes 559631;1394784421;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, most minds have their head splints set to promote that nowadays. 559632;1394784435;Duffer1;afaik the outcome of either cannot be guaranteed to yield a useful result beyond PoW 559633;1394784442;BingoBoingo;Interesting: Penrose's book doesn't have an index entry for "random" 559634;1394784452;mircea_popescu;random is a scam. 559635;1394784468;BingoBoingo;FOr srs 559636;1394784513;mircea_popescu;i suppose actually my lemma may end up the equivalent of quantum indeterminacy, but for maths. 559637;1394784526;mircea_popescu;ie, if you don't look it costs 1, if you look worth ε it costs 1+ε and fuck you. 559638;1394784531;cads;"Hypothesis: if an algorithm's output provides proof of 1 unit of work, and that output is also usable to provide the equivalent of epsilon units of useful work for another problem, then the energy expenditure of the algorithm must be greater or equal to 1 + epsilon units of work." 559639;1394784555;BingoBoingo;If random existed it would have an index entry on page 1095 between "quantum reality" and "relatavistic quantum angular momentum" 559640;1394784564;Duffer1;not necessarily a scam, but certainly not reliable. Prime coin has produced measurable results beyond PoW utility 559641;1394784567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00080391 = 7.9587 BTC [+] {2} 559642;1394784586;mircea_popescu;cads something like that 559643;1394784601;cads;mircea_popescu: to formalize this completely we'll have to assume something like a polynomial time algorithm that converts the output of algorithm A into a solution for problem B. 559644;1394784620;mircea_popescu;well wait, that's hiding the ε ? 559645;1394784626;cads;probably 559646;1394784631;cads;if it works out 559647;1394784643;cads;that's the only place for the e to come from, isn't it? 559648;1394784647;mircea_popescu;and importantly, this is looking forward in time. 559649;1394784662;mircea_popescu;you can in principle sift through the history and find convenient cases for any particular problem 559650;1394784671;mircea_popescu;byt the idea here is that we promise some sort of result in the future. 559651;1394784689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07346034 = 3.673 BTC [-] {9} 559652;1394784699;mircea_popescu;"turn this wheel and an egg will fall out every revolution and also a feather every ten revolutions" is okay, whereas 559653;1394784718;mircea_popescu;"turn this wheel and an egg will fall out every revolution, then look if any eggs have feathers attached" is not okay 559654;1394784736;Duffer1;that's pretty much how primecoin works lol 559655;1394784742;mircea_popescu;o is it ? 559656;1394784750;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.0037 = 0.3663 BTC [-] {3} 559657;1394784753;mircea_popescu;(i've not looked much into it at all) 559658;1394784754;cads;suppose we have algorithm A, and we have that a solution of A reduces polynomially solutions B, C, D, E, F, G... 559659;1394784789;MisterE;major LTC manipulation now 559660;1394784801;MisterE;Whale is swinging it around like a cat by its tail 559661;1394784812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00043822 = 0.4382 BTC [-] {14} 559662;1394784813;MisterE;not that I have ever done that to a cat 559663;1394784813;MisterE;... 559664;1394784863;cads;mircea_popescu: we'll have an epsilon for each target problem, and maybe the cost of solving al the target problems starting from A must be greater than or equal to solving B, C, D... seperately. 559665;1394784872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00463317 = 0.4633 BTC [-] {5} 559666;1394784884;mircea_popescu;anyway, im wiped. we'll have to continue this tomorro 559667;1394784887;mircea_popescu;cheers all. 559668;1394784892;cads;mircea_popescu: I concur 559669;1394784894;MisterE;laterz 559670;1394784897;MisterE;interesting 559671;1394784898;Duffer1;MP read the Primecoin whitepapaer you'd like it 559672;1394784902;MisterE;do continue 559673;1394784904;Duffer1;later man 559674;1394784929;Duffer1;cads read the Reicoin whitepaper you'd like it ^.^ 559675;1394784933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.0382 = 0.382 BTC [+] {2} 559676;1394785013;cads;Duffer1: I do feel like we're arguing more from philosophical/economical principle that computation shouldn't give us two things for free - but this seems false. 559677;1394785055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07889999 = 0.1578 BTC [+] 559678;1394785059;cads;for a really weaksauce example, say I take the square of a number x. In the result I've also computed the square of the number -x, and this for 'free'. 559679;1394785071;Duffer1;primecoin has already proven that hashing can produce utility beyond PoW 559680;1394785101;MisterE;NMC does useful stuff too 559681;1394785114;cads;MP's conjecture is that it must trade off utility between Pow and the secondary function 559682;1394785135;Duffer1;ya, i must disagree with that position 559683;1394785148;cads;same here but I have to say it's intriguing 559684;1394785154;Duffer1;mistere it does, but it's still a hashcash based PoW 559685;1394785173;BingoBoingo;NMC was thought to do useful shit, but miners won't commit transactions with useful data 559686;1394785191;cads;Duffer1: I've not heard of reicoin yet (I'd merely heard of primecoin half an hour ago) 559687;1394785219;VanCleef;is it possible to have a alt coin that doesn't require any miners to verify it? once its sent its instantly confirmed? 559688;1394785238;Duffer1;riecoin's pow attempts to find prime sextuplets to generate absurdly long prime numbers 559689;1394785250;Duffer1;500+ digit 559690;1394785260;cads;I want to see a cryptocurrency backed in automated service provider contracts 559691;1394785274;cads;whatever that means :) 559692;1394785304;cads;VanCleef: sounds like you want to set up a kind of test network? 559693;1394785391;VanCleef;i think so? 559694;1394785420;Duffer1;cads http://riecoin.org/#questions 559695;1394785442;VanCleef;its just awkward when doing a face trade with someone and they ask if they can sleep over while waiting for it to confirm 559696;1394785509;VanCleef;i sat with a guy for 8 hours at starbucks once and i ran out of things to talk about about an hour 559697;1394785580;Mats_cd03;pay a higher tx fee then scrub 559698;1394785599;cads;VanCleef: a test network holds no market value so it'll confirm quick but mean zip 559699;1394785768;VanCleef;ok, not a test network 559700;1394785851;kakobrekla;meh, blockchain buys rtbtc, everything goes to shit. 559701;1394785865;Apocalyptic;heh 559702;1394785870;Mats_cd03;whatever the tx fee in the ref client is, double it, problem solved 559703;1394785922;VanCleef;i'll remember that for next time mats 559704;1394785994;Mats_cd03;the confirmation delay is something altcoins have experimented with 559705;1394785996;moiety;mew 559706;1394786005;moiety;bb got a sec? 559707;1394786010;Mats_cd03;they mostly suck 559708;1394786213;BingoBoingo;moiety: Sure 559709;1394786232;BingoBoingo;So blockchain.info started looking really sickly really fast. 559710;1394786236;BingoBoingo;Smallpox? 559711;1394786440;MisterE;last week they were the big news on Bloomberg 559712;1394786446;MisterE;the start of this down trend 559713;1394786453;MisterE;when their news was poop 559714;1394786905;BingoBoingo;Like Blockchain.info when from being useful, cultured manure to straight up salmonella liquishits 559715;1394787640;MisterE;users leavig btce in droves 559716;1394787650;MisterE;looks like Stamp is the new king 559717;1394787983;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59041 = 1.1808 BTC [-] 559718;1394788044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5904 BTC [-] 559719;1394788349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44500 @ 0.00079969 = 35.5862 BTC [-] 559720;1394789935;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07889999 = 0.3945 BTC [+] 559721;1394790667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21439 @ 0.00079984 = 17.1478 BTC [+] 559722;1394790850;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00080045 = 6.8438 BTC [+] {2} 559723;1394791643;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00080388 = 5.5468 BTC [+] 559724;1394792772;BingoBoingo;So... Mark Shuttleworth just can't demand a display server work 559725;1394792774;BingoBoingo;http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/03/13/2241232/ubuntus-mir-gets-delayed-again 559726;1394792775;ozbot;Ubuntu's Mir Gets Delayed Again - Slashdot 559727;1394793900;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00080394 = 21.1436 BTC [+] 559728;1394794193;davout;;;later tell mircea_popescu deposits pl0x 559729;1394794193;gribble;The operation succeeded. 559730;1394794571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00080388 = 18.4089 BTC [-] 559731;1394796035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04527334 = 0.1358 BTC [-] {2} 559732;1394796096;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.04497705 = 0.8546 BTC [-] {4} 559733;1394796462;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.005743 = 0.402 BTC [-] {3} 559734;1394796706;nubbins`;hi 559735;1394797316;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00080219 = 24.7877 BTC [-] {2} 559736;1394799584;dub;;tslb 559737;1394799596;nubbins`;;;tslc 559738;1394799596;gribble;Error: "tslc" is not a valid command. 559739;1394799598;dub;:;tslb 559740;1394799600;nubbins`;(time since last coffee) 559741;1394799603;dub;lel 559742;1394799608;dub;;;tslb 559743;1394799612;gribble;Time since last block: 29 minutes and 2 seconds 559744;1394799616;nubbins`;:o 559745;1394799618;dub;every time 559746;1394799623;dub;I tell you 559747;1394799640;nubbins`;so there's this escrow guy on the forums, saltyspitoon 559748;1394799643;nubbins`;great fella 559749;1394799651;nubbins`;was gonna leave him some wot ratings 559750;1394799662;nubbins`;http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=saltyspitoon 559751;1394799662;ozbot;Rating Details for User 'saltyspitoon' 559752;1394799676;nubbins`;almost too perfect to ruin 559753;1394799716;dub;heh 559754;1394799836;dub;fuck you bitcoin, fuck you in the goat ass 559755;1394800000;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30250 @ 0.00080312 = 24.2944 BTC [+] {2} 559756;1394800183;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.0008034 = 22.6559 BTC [+] {2} 559757;1394800826;Neil;Damn these blocks getting scarce 559758;1394801015;Neil;<mircea_popescu> Neil since you mentioned jtd, you ever read the original mpoe prospectus ? << I have, probably twice. What's the connection? 559759;1394801146;Neil;http://bitbet.us/bet/596/btc-difficulty-to-increase-by-less-than-10/ << Time for the difficulty bulls to get worried? 559760;1394801150;ozbot;BitBet - BTC difficulty to increase by less than 10% 559761;1394801253;Apocalyptic;.d 559762;1394801253;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1800 blocks | Estimated Change: 4.0162% in 11d 23h 55m 0s 559763;1394801257;Neil;The last 2 weeks are the first time in a long time at least 50% of the time I open blockchain.info it shows a block over 1hr old. 559764;1394801261;Apocalyptic;too soon to tell imo 559765;1394801331;Neil;It's like a mini-inflation shock. History shows they take about 2 months to feed into the price. June 2016 with the halving is gonna be epic. 559766;1394801421;Neil;Nov 12 led to a 100x price in 1yr 559767;1394801525;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2224 @ 0.00015467 = 0.344 BTC [-] {5} 559768;1394801830;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5904 BTC [-] 559769;1394802324;Neil;Mr Derek Dick was one heck of a lyricist. 559770;1394802684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2949 @ 0.00345037 = 10.1751 BTC [-] {30} 559771;1394803477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44689 @ 0.00080149 = 35.8178 BTC [-] {2} 559772;1394803478;Neil;Derek William Dick. What a guy. 559773;1394803828;Neil;Respect 559774;1394803947;Neil;"Singing psychedelic praises to the depths of a China bowl" 559775;1394803963;Neil;"You've got venom in your stomach, you've got poison in your head" 559776;1394803965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00080396 = 21.4657 BTC [+] {3} 559777;1394804068;Neil;He knows, you know, he knows, you know, he knows, you know, but he's got problems!" 559778;1394804087;Neil;Underrated as fck. 559779;1394804245;blackwhite;so one bitcoin could potentially be subdivided into "infinite" sub sets right? 559780;1394804514;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34050 @ 0.00080004 = 27.2414 BTC [-] {2} 559781;1394804514;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.07202505 = 0.2881 BTC [-] {3} 559782;1394804569;Neil;blackwhite: One bitcoin is one bitcoin. To what extent one agrees to subdivide it is but a mere footnote. The default assumption amongst market participants, owing to history, is 100m "satoshis" are a bitcoin. 559783;1394804669;Neil;Which probably to Mr Satoshi 5 years ago seemed like a pipe-dream, but now is starting to feel like a low-ball 559784;1394804729;blackwhite;Yeah the reason why I ask is. If for some reason suddenly 10million bit coins go lost that basically would mean the end of the currency, but couldn't that somehow be countered by splitting each bitcoin so we deal in satoshis instead? Asking because I can't wrap my head around that problem 559785;1394804747;blackwhite;i.e. it's not impossible to imagine large sums of bitcoin dissapear 559786;1394804749;blackwhite;then what 559787;1394804765;Neil;"Yeah the reason why I ask is. If for some reason suddenly 10million bit coins go lost that basically would mean the end of the currency" uhh please explain that big underspecified jump in logic. 559788;1394804805;Neil;It *would* mean everyone else's suddenly got worth a lot more, but the end? You don't understand. 559789;1394804857;Neil;But re splitting, absolutely, you get it. 559790;1394804962;Neil;blackwhite: First thing to understand is most the shit you read in the media isn't a "problem", it's just the guy writing the article's "problem" 559791;1394804995;Neil;decide for yourself 559792;1394805069;Neil;blackwhite: If there are 100kg of gold in the world, and then 20kg disappear, then what? 559793;1394805087;Neil;Nothing, just it's cool if you own some of that 20kg that is left. That is all. 559794;1394805257;blackwhite;yeah but consider this argument for instance: "If Bitcoin matured into a complete currency, with large numbers of workers using it as their medium of account, then its inflexibility could bring economic havoc. Money-supply “shocks”, like the disappearance of Mt Gox, could set off a systemic collapse. Given a loss of faith in exchanges, users might withdraw their coins in a panic, leading to a dangerous decline in transaction volume. Such 559795;1394805258;blackwhite;hoarding could threaten Bitcoin’s status as a medium of exchange, leading to its complete demise as a currency. 559796;1394805259;blackwhite;Reputable exchanges with large institutional holdings could help stem such panics by advertising a willingness to sell their Bitcoins to meet liquidity demand. Yet because Bitcoin reserves are finite, users may not find the promise credible. By contrast, central banks with the inexhaustible resources of the printing press face no such inconvenient constraints." 559797;1394805273;blackwhite;http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21599053-chronic-deflation-may-keep-bitcoin-displacing-its-fiat-rivals-money 559798;1394805318;Neil;blackwhite: I don't know where to start. Maybe start thinking for yourself and stop drinking the logical fallacies? 559799;1394805332;blackwhite;Neil oh I am 559800;1394805342;blackwhite;i am just saying thats an argument being put out there 559801;1394805346;Neil;It's Keynesian claptrap and the opposite of reality. 559802;1394805368;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.0031105 = 0.1493 BTC [-] 559803;1394805389;Neil;Arguments don't matter though. Ownership transfer does. 559804;1394805404;blackwhite;yeah sure 559805;1394805428;Neil;Just act in your own self interest and ignore the noise 559806;1394805498;blackwhite;well to be honest I am not so much interested in bitcoin as a currency but more as a technology. I don't mine but purely trade my services for bitcoin. So its all good 559807;1394805518;blackwhite;and yeah agree on that 559808;1394805531;Neil;Good for you. That's all we need - volountary interaction. 559809;1394805574;Neil;Of course, as a speculator I believe you'd benefit by holding, but I don't begrudge you deciding what to do with your own money. Hopefully vice versa. 559810;1394805679;Neil;My belief is that bitcoin will succeed for one simple reason, whose power almost eveyrone underestimates (apart from Satoshi): people will come to realise holding bitcoin is in their own best interest. And everything else will follow, in the future as it already has, from $0.01 to $500. Nothing has changed. 559811;1394805734;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.075 = 0.225 BTC [-] 559812;1394805770;Neil;And boy do I look forward to the day I can travel the world and spend bitcoin. I think it's only 2 years away. 559813;1394805780;nubbins`;http://mark-karpeles.com/m.php?page=trades&user_id=188 559814;1394805787;blackwhite;yeah that is why I am also trying to get bit coins by doing what I do best. Interface design, product design, branding etc. 559815;1394805814;Neil;blackwhite: Good for you. Keep true to that and you will succeed. 559816;1394805856;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00079805 = 21.0685 BTC [-] {3} 559817;1394805900;Neil;blackwhite: The world is your oyster. Whether your customer is an Iranian or a Korean. Who gives a fuck apart from those who benefit by dividing us. 559818;1394805947;blackwhite;I think John Smart said it best. 559819;1394805956;blackwhite;from his tweet 559820;1394805957;blackwhite;FedGovt dollars are *debt instruments*. #Bitcoin is first chance for little investor to say enough. Tea Party & Occupy both see it's value. 559821;1394805980;Neil;Yeah it'll take time, but it'll happen. I'm 100% sure. 559822;1394806225;blackwhite;so what are some of the models people use to make money with bit coins besides mining? 559823;1394806245;blackwhite;I saw this 559824;1394806246;blackwhite;http://www.mpex.co/ 559825;1394806255;nubbins`;sell things you make for btc 559826;1394806255;blackwhite;apparently its fairly successful 559827;1394806263;blackwhite;yeah thats what I am doing 559828;1394806263;Neil;blackwhite: There's nothing wrong with just sitting on your coins. Just make sure they're safe. 559829;1394806266;nubbins`;mining/buying is for suckers 559830;1394806292;blackwhite;Neil not saying there is just interested in some of the models out there 559831;1394806306;dexx;http://bitcoindev.us.to/en/developer-guide 559832;1394806307;ozbot;Developer Guide - Bitcoin 559833;1394806307;blackwhite;trying to learn as much as possible about this field 559834;1394806351;Neil;Sure. I think some of MP's businesses are interesting. Just they're trading at an insane premium IMO, because of lack of credible alternatives. Make your own decision. 559835;1394806387;Neil;And if he's run over by a bus tomorrow, what are you left holding? 559836;1394806400;Neil;Something of very unclear value IMO. 559837;1394806444;Neil;And he's clearly playing in an unclear tax / regulatory state. (Not that I blame him at all). But take it into account. 559838;1394806588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0060231 = 0.1205 BTC [-] {2} 559839;1394806656;thestringpuller;lack of credible alternatives is an understatement 559840;1394806746;blackwhite;In other words there is room for competition? 559841;1394806815;Neil;blackwhite: Absolutely 559842;1394806851;Neil;But I'm not claiming it'd be easy; I'm quite sure it'd be very tough 559843;1394807076;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 58 @ 0.00600179 = 0.3481 BTC [-] {2} 559844;1394807084;nubbins`;Neil: problem with most things on mpex is low volume 559845;1394807091;nubbins`;so it's pretty easy to swing prices 559846;1394807137;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.075 = 0.525 BTC [-] 559847;1394807149;nubbins`;ignoring mpoe, you're looking at ~1btc/24h across all assets 559848;1394807611;thestringpuller;speaking of popescus 559849;1394807627;mircea_popescu;you were ? 559850;1394807635;nubbins`;read the log D; 559851;1394807639;*;nubbins` cackles 559852;1394807642;mircea_popescu;in a minute lol 559853;1394807650;mircea_popescu;i gotta article i gotta write first 559854;1394807829;nubbins`;measles outbreak in nyc 559855;1394807838;chetty;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-14/it-begins-past-week-foreigners-sell-record-amount-over-100-billion-treasurys-held-fe 559856;1394807839;nubbins`;but, y'know, don't bother vaccinating your kids 559857;1394807840;ozbot;Foreigners Sell A Record Amount, Over $100 Billion, Of Treasurys Held By The Fed In Past Week | Zero 559858;1394807862;Diablo-D3;$100 billion is about 1% of treasury bonds. 559859;1394807880;Diablo-D3;so zerohedge fails to be relevant yet again 559860;1394807914;mircea_popescu;somewhere in the middle. it's not what they make it out to be, but it is a blip 559861;1394807947;mircea_popescu;pretty much all depends on whether tomorrow is 1.x trillion or not. 559862;1394807991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00079906 = 9.309 BTC [+] 559863;1394808055;VanCleef;question is mpex a registered business? 559864;1394808086;nubbins`;Diablo-D3: they fail at html too 559865;1394808089;nubbins`;brutal layout 559866;1394808103;Diablo-D3;VanCleef: not in any nation that metters 559867;1394808140;mircea_popescu;VanCleef mpex is a bitcoin business. 559868;1394808161;VanCleef;okey, but is it incoporated? 559869;1394808185;mircea_popescu;as a bitcoin business. 559870;1394808220;VanCleef;ohokey cool,like in the country you live or is it offshored? 559871;1394808233;mircea_popescu;it does not live in any country. it. is. a. bitcoin. business. 559872;1394808235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.04517499 = 0.7228 BTC [-] {6} 559873;1394808237;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'six fucking months to break down the male blocks on killing, and even then it only works sorta 50-50' << i've yet to see this confirmed for homo sapiens vs. homo americanus circa 1940s 559874;1394808259;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but we were discussing homo americanus neh ? 559875;1394808276;VanCleef;hehe ok so i guess its not incoporated ina traditional sense,like google or facebook is 559876;1394808294;mircea_popescu;not any more than google or facebook are incorporated in a proper sense, such as mpex is. 559877;1394808296;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 695 @ 0.00015014 = 0.1043 BTC [-] {3} 559878;1394808340;VanCleef;gotcha 559879;1394808357;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04481 = 0.2689 BTC [-] 559880;1394808569;asciilifeform;emmy noether was a titan. i suspect that we still haven't fully digested her output. 559881;1394808617;mircea_popescu;im not the only one catching up on logs huh 559882;1394808618;asciilifeform;what 'physicist' living today is fit even to be beheaded by noether. 559883;1394808649;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform beheaded may be going a little far, but la petite mort however... 559884;1394808677;asciilifeform;;;google kaishakunin 559885;1394808677;gribble;Kaishakunin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaishakunin>; The fine art of seppuku: <http://www.win.net/ratsnest/archive-articles21/fog0000000384.html>; Kaishakunin.com - IT-Sicherheitsberatung Magdeburg - Stefan ...: <http://www.kaishakunin.com/> 559886;1394808723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15398 @ 0.00079777 = 12.2841 BTC [-] {2} 559887;1394809036;nubbins`;hmm 559888;1394809067;nubbins`;that's a euphemism 559889;1394809075;nubbins`;and reminds me of a website i came across years ago 559890;1394809090;nubbins`;http://www.beautifulagony.com/public/main.php 559891;1394809128;asciilifeform;haha 559892;1394809130;asciilifeform;old news 559893;1394809137;asciilifeform;it had cultural impact though: 559894;1394809191;asciilifeform;in russian sf writer viktor pelevin's epic 'SNUFF', the descendants of the americans (living in a mostly broken-down antigrav ship over what remains of russia) continue to decay, 559895;1394809204;asciilifeform;feminists raised 'age of consent' to 46 559896;1394809217;asciilifeform;so most porn that anyone would be willing to see is classified as 'child' and forbidden 559897;1394809236;asciilifeform;so the officially permitted porn consists of watching the censor's faces as they view the forbidden 559898;1394809239;mircea_popescu;i've seen some pretty hot 50yos... 559899;1394809247;nubbins`;^ 559900;1394809247;asciilifeform;and it becomes known as 'derivative porn' or 'Derp' for short. 559901;1394809253;mircea_popescu;hahaha 559902;1394809259;asciilifeform;viewing Derp becomes a mark of a 'cultured' man 559903;1394809264;asciilifeform;and everybody pretends to like it. 559904;1394809347;Diablo-D3;I would like to classify feminists as girls who are afraid to grow up and become women 559905;1394809406;nubbins`;i would like to sit back and have a lel as you folks define feminism 559906;1394809699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04629946 = 0.1852 BTC [+] {3} 559907;1394809701;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.01587764 = 1.5878 BTC [-] {13} 559908;1394809747;mircea_popescu;nubbins` the mistaken notion that while socialism (ie, the salvation of the members of the group through recourse to the group) doesn't work, subsets of this (such as, the salvation of women by recourse to the group) do somehow magically work. 559909;1394809760;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5971 @ 0.0007977 = 4.7631 BTC [-] 559910;1394809764;mircea_popescu;because for people that were too fucking lazy and high on their own farts to pay attention in school, 559911;1394809795;mircea_popescu;proving something like x^2 > 2x is not sufficient, we then have to go individually and show that 4^2 > 8, 5^2 > 10 etc etc 559912;1394809805;mircea_popescu;"thinking", in america. 559913;1394810004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+] 559914;1394810065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00591538 = 0.1124 BTC [+] {3} 559915;1394810189;artifexd;nubbins` Revisit your mark-karpeles link and lol 559916;1394810431;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.072 = 0.216 BTC [-] 559917;1394810448;ThickAsThieves;<MisterE> http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/scientist-devised-crypto-attack-could-one-day-steal-secret-bitcoin-keys/ >>>> is it just me or is this whole article moot in regards to Bitcoin, being that no one uses Intel to mine and even malware was made it would have to somehow run on the ASIC system of the chosen device? 559918;1394810492;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.00599369 = 0.1319 BTC [-] {2} 559919;1394810614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.075 = 0.225 BTC [-] 559920;1394810659;ThickAsThieves;blackwhite those quotes are ridiculous 559921;1394810701;TomServo;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-14/buffett-s-board-opposes-shareholder-s-dividend-proposal.html 559922;1394810716;TomServo;Shareholder David Witt, who has a stake valued at about $8,650 based on yesterday’s closing price, proposed the measure, stating that Berkshire has “more money than it needs” and that the board should consider the investors who aren’t billionaires. 559923;1394810720;blackwhite;well that might be but thats hardly an argument :) 559924;1394810735;ThickAsThieves;indeed 559925;1394810737;blackwhite;it doesn't really matter cause even if it has a point it's not really the point. 559926;1394810747;ThickAsThieves;right 559927;1394810752;ThickAsThieves;the decimal doesnt matter 559928;1394810792;ThickAsThieves;and no economic shockwaves will happen due to it or bitcoin's eventual shift from inflationary to static supply 559929;1394810797;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00079759 = 31.5048 BTC [-] {3} 559930;1394810828;ThickAsThieves;what was the source link again? 559931;1394811014;ThickAsThieves;http://bitcoindev.us.to/en/developer-guide 559932;1394811015;ozbot;Developer Guide - Bitcoin 559933;1394811507;bounce;skipped the standard issue FUDwords artcle for the abstract of the paper. it reads like the ecdsa equivalent of the cache hit/miss sidechannel gpg key snatch. ie, don't run bitcoin transactions on shared or even virtual anything boxes. no running wallets on ec2, say. 559934;1394811522;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: isn't everyone tired of cache timing attach being 'reinvented' every month and pushed as a great discovery? 559935;1394811534;asciilifeform;*attack 559936;1394811559;Apocalyptic;I for one am 559937;1394811582;asciilifeform;this almost calls for a memecat graphic or the like. 559938;1394811588;asciilifeform;'old attack is old.' 559939;1394811589;Apocalyptic;and that applies to all these timing side channels attacks 559940;1394811610;ThickAsThieves;ah i somehow assumed they were talking about mining for some reason 559941;1394811622;ThickAsThieves;probably from reading all that primecoin pw log 559942;1394811625;ThickAsThieves;pow* 559943;1394811661;asciilifeform;yes, letting enemy run code on the box where you crypto is dumb. news at 11. 559944;1394811712;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2206 @ 0.00014942 = 0.3296 BTC [-] {5} 559945;1394811805;mircea_popescu;it's not even fucking hard to reimplement gpg without caching 559946;1394811822;mircea_popescu;or for that matter, with fake cache hits for the lulz. 559947;1394811834;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2202 @ 0.000149 = 0.3281 BTC [-] 559948;1394811926;asciilifeform;still foolish to rely on x86 'rings' for isolation of something genuinely important 559949;1394812170;thestringpuller;asciilifeform man no one talks about the rings anymore 559950;1394812179;thestringpuller;lets isolate execution! 559951;1394812204;asciilifeform;x86 reminds me of certain old soviet apartments, with toilet in the kitchen behind a curtain. 559952;1394812228;thestringpuller;hahahahaha wow... 559953;1394812331;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/you-cannot-fix-a-machine-by-just-power-cycling-it-with-no-understanding-of-what-is-going-wrong/ 559954;1394812332;ozbot;“You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong. 559955;1394812336;mircea_popescu;in which i'm incredibly fucking mean. 559956;1394812379;asciilifeform;lol tom knight 559957;1394812389;mircea_popescu;;) 559958;1394812405;asciilifeform;those rats 559959;1394812436;asciilifeform;fellow i know from india (former physicist) confirmed the famous rat temple 559960;1394812444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00080078 = 40.9999 BTC [+] {3} 559961;1394812454;asciilifeform;said to me, 'i went there before any serious maths exam.' 559962;1394812456;mircea_popescu;yup 559963;1394812487;asciilifeform;yer supposed to let them nibble on your toes for a bit 559964;1394812542;mircea_popescu;i prefer less fertile mammals nibbling on my toes. 559965;1394812558;Diablo-D3;[11:52:16] <mircea_popescu> http://trilema.com/2014/you-cannot-fix-a-machine-by-just-power-cycling-it-with-no-understanding-of-what-is-going-wrong/ 559966;1394812563;Diablo-D3;unless it runs windows 559967;1394812566;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1150 @ 0.00085455 = 0.9827 BTC [-] {5} 559968;1394812575;mircea_popescu;arguably that you can never fix 559969;1394812575;Diablo-D3;and its the step on the list before reinstalling windows 559970;1394812579;mircea_popescu;even if you do know what's going wrong 559971;1394812582;Diablo-D3;mircea_popescu: yeah 559972;1394812585;Diablo-D3;windows is just fubar 559973;1394812749;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.23928170 BTC to 3`785 shares, 59162 satoshi per share 559974;1394812779;VanCleef;sfi what a fail 559975;1394812913;pLambert;SFI is an "idea" company? 559976;1394812968;ThickAsThieves;it's an idea that funds ideas 559977;1394812979;ThickAsThieves;llegedly 559978;1394812980;ThickAsThieves;a 559979;1394812988;thestringpuller;that's an amazing idea 559980;1394812988;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 559981;1394813016;VanCleef;what you working on atm ThickAsThieves ? 559982;1394813016;mircea_popescu;an amazing amazing 559983;1394813016;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 559984;1394813048;mircea_popescu;a pair of twins. 559985;1394813057;ThickAsThieves;VanCleef, I am at a fork in the road 559986;1394813061;ThickAsThieves;having trouble choosing 559987;1394813076;VanCleef;hmmmm? 559988;1394813128;ThickAsThieves;to be even less descriptive, I'm not sure what I want to do next 559989;1394813138;asciilifeform;http://www.arkinspace.com/2011/06/holy-rats-of-karni-mata.html 559990;1394813138;ozbot;The Holy Rats of Karni Mata ~ The Ark In Space 559991;1394813178;VanCleef;yeh i think i'm the same atm, bitfunder really cursed me, cant seem to make any winning moves since then 559992;1394813217;mircea_popescu;http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/24/article-2545066-1AEB2EEB00000578-272_634x822.jpg 559993;1394813224;mircea_popescu;'que es ser exitosa hoy" 559994;1394813262;mircea_popescu;i'll probably dedicate my retirement to loling my ass off over fringe repackaging of anglosaxon bs. 559995;1394813298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8723 @ 0.00080337 = 7.0078 BTC [+] {2} 559996;1394813305;VanCleef;what's the craziest thing you'vedone in thelast 2 months mircea? 559997;1394813341;mircea_popescu;the shit i do ain't crazy, it has its own internal logic. 559998;1394813359;VanCleef;i mean the most fun 559999;1394813372;ThickAsThieves;he means, tell us a story 560000;1394813375;VanCleef;ya 560001;1394813404;ThickAsThieves;cuz yknow, trilema isnt big enough 560002;1394813417;mircea_popescu;ya totally. 560003;1394813420;nubbins`;TIL you can freeze old cheddar with impunity 560004;1394813422;VanCleef;outside of btc world :) 560005;1394813427;nubbins`;idly wondering why the fuck nobody told me this before 560006;1394813473;mircea_popescu;nubbins` most hard cheeses freeze just fine, tho the purists don't want to admit it. 560007;1394813561;ThickAsThieves;since i dont think it was linked yet http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/14/buffett-stay-away-from-bitcoin/?mod=WSJBlog 560008;1394813576;ThickAsThieves;“Stay away from it,” he said, according to a transcript. “It’s a mirage basically.” 560009;1394813580;VanCleef;oh yeah i was reading that before, uncle buff makes some good points 560010;1394813581;nubbins`;read that earlier 560011;1394813585;ThickAsThieves;“I hope bitcoin becomes a better way of doing it,” he said, but “the idea that it has intrinsic value is a joke.” 560012;1394813602;ThickAsThieves;i think buffet ran out of good points 560013;1394813603;mircea_popescu;it doesn't have intrinsic value 560014;1394813611;mircea_popescu;it has a lot of economic goodwill, of the actual varietyt 560015;1394813616;mircea_popescu;as opposed to the accounting variety. 560016;1394813629;mircea_popescu;uncle buff should know all about it, or at least did, cca early 80s 560017;1394813634;pLambert;mircea_popescu: you seem to hate on NEOBEE much, you think they will fail? 560018;1394813660;mircea_popescu;pLambert i have a very low oppinion of their ceo is all. 560019;1394813664;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2221 @ 0.000149 = 0.3309 BTC [-] {3} 560020;1394813703;nubbins`;cheese sandwiches are divine 560021;1394813704;mircea_popescu;this has little to do with failure or success, you know, even a blind dog gets a duck once. 560022;1394813732;nubbins`;old cheddar, red onion, orange bell pepper, mixed greens, mayo on sourdough 560023;1394813763;nubbins`;i'd masturbate if my hands were free 560024;1394813765;VanCleef;i dont know if you guys use cryptostocks but there's like 1 guy on there running about 5 scams atm, its shitty 560025;1394813766;mircea_popescu;that sounds epic 560026;1394813784;ThickAsThieves;it took a long time to sort them, but it turns out there are some pretty good vegan cheeses being made 560027;1394813791;nubbins`;wow, really? 560028;1394813791;ThickAsThieves;many many horrible ones 560029;1394813795;mircea_popescu;VanCleef im just sitting back and enjoying deprived's predicament re cryptoscammocks,. atm 560030;1394813800;Apocalyptic;VanCleef, a well known fact cryptostocks is full of scams 560031;1394813812;ThickAsThieves;yeahm you just have to know each cheese's place 560032;1394813817;VanCleef;i'm sure there's a couple of good gems in there 560033;1394813817;nubbins`;what are they made from? soy? 560034;1394813825;VanCleef;cannabit seems alright 560035;1394813827;ThickAsThieves;they are not nearly as flexible 560036;1394813849;VanCleef;tho share price is doing badly 560037;1394813886;ThickAsThieves;if i recall, i dont like any soy cheeses 560038;1394813890;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/portugal-cove-farmer-hopes-to-grow-medical-marijuana-1.2568583 560039;1394813891;nubbins`;right on 560040;1394813892;ozbot;Portugal Cove farmer hopes to grow medical marijuana - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News 560041;1394813906;nubbins`;that's like a 20 minute drive 560042;1394813967;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/0HT0F4g 560043;1394813968;ozbot;Whoever makes the MtGox story TV special, please get Randy from Trailer Park 560044;1394813970;nubbins`;leel 560045;1394814032;mircea_popescu;cads i doubt the square of x and -x can count as different problems in this context. 560046;1394814056;VanCleef;i was watching this report on colorado w33d vendors who had 2 problems, 1. they couldn't get business bank accounts cause banks were scared 2. they were dealing with massif loads of cash and had to hire like ex mercenary types of p33ps to move the fiat for them. 560047;1394814085;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/14/did-russia-just-dump-its-treasury-holdings/?mod=WSJBlog 560048;1394814086;ozbot;Did Russia Just Dump Its Treasury Holdings? - MoneyBeat - WSJ 560049;1394814117;ThickAsThieves;vancleef didnt obama tell banks to ease up on weed growers? 560050;1394814138;ThickAsThieves;dunno if that actually matters 560051;1394814143;ThickAsThieves;but i think he may have 560052;1394814146;VanCleef;i dont know i tune out whenever oh bummer talks 560053;1394814174;mircea_popescu;MisterE: looks like Stamp is the new king <<< markets centralize. 560054;1394814213;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6944 @ 0.00079968 = 5.553 BTC [-] 560055;1394814237;mircea_popescu;Neil i was curious what your estimated jtd would be, at the time of the 2nd tranche ipo of mpoe. ie, two years ago to the day. 560056;1394814241;VanCleef;in the future people will be saying "man i just got stamped" 560057;1394814291;pLambert;doesn't have the same ring as I just got Goxxed, but it makes more sense linguistically 560058;1394814293;ThickAsThieves;why not keep saying goxed 560059;1394814307;ThickAsThieves;dont let that nigga live it down 560060;1394814390;mircea_popescu;blackwhite none of those pieces of crud are arguments. they're just flaming ignorance being stubbornly presented by people who are too haughty to read trilema. all that shit's been debunked there cca 2012. 560061;1394814432;mircea_popescu;that aside, neil has it :D 560062;1394814497;mircea_popescu;nubbins` ahaha poor spitoon what a wot. 560063;1394814505;nubbins`;i know hey? 560064;1394814520;nubbins`;it's almost too good to leave ratings on 560065;1394814531;VanCleef;hehe tat 560066;1394814557;mircea_popescu;indeed lol 560067;1394814635;mircea_popescu;Neil the thing is, unless bitcoin gets to make the rules we're wasting our time here. 560068;1394814667;mircea_popescu;bitcoin isn't "a currency" nor much of a "medium of exchange" at all. it's a substitute for government is what it is. in all its forms, from actual electoral validation processes to deciding where you eat today, and how much. 560069;1394814693;nubbins`;^ it's true, bitcoin chose the cheese sandwich for me 560070;1394814712;mircea_popescu;aristotle's politics just became second rate in the field of revolutionary. nakamoto's paper easily takes the top spot 560071;1394814725;mircea_popescu;nubbins` funny but true, ye know ? 560072;1394814768;nubbins`;bit of a convoluted process, but yeah 560073;1394814782;nubbins`;hmm, sourdough starter for btc, shipped worldwide 560074;1394814784;*;nubbins` thinks about this 560075;1394814813;mircea_popescu;Nubbins' Dough ? 560076;1394814819;mircea_popescu;(accept no substitutes) 560077;1394814830;chetty;customs just might object nubbins' 560078;1394814839;nubbins`;the starter itself is just a wild yeast colony that lives in a home of flour and water 560079;1394814857;nubbins`;chetty, maybe -- i know lots of places in san francisco ship dried starter worldwide 560080;1394814912;nubbins`;it's the sort of thing that you could make yourself from scratch, but why do that when you can purchase an established starter that's already developed its own taste and characteristics? 560081;1394814937;mircea_popescu;nubbins` thought : whether you do this or not, do the following : make a website follow the generations. 560082;1394814956;chetty;cause catching the yeast yourself is more fun! 560083;1394814958;nubbins`;sourdough pedigree 560084;1394814959;mircea_popescu;then if you actually sell it down the road, you have a history. if you scrap the thing, whatever. a website. 560085;1394814962;nubbins`;chetty: it really is :) 560086;1394814978;nubbins`;i made mine from scratch about a year and a half ago 560087;1394815022;ThickAsThieves;Dat Dough Dough 560088;1394815101;nubbins`;there are places in san fran that have been using the same starter for >150 years 560089;1394815109;mircea_popescu;i heard that too yeah 560090;1394815120;nubbins`;pretty much a different species at that point 560091;1394815128;mircea_popescu;well, a subspecies 560092;1394815136;nubbins`;er yeah, that's what i meant ;( 560093;1394815145;mircea_popescu;tho... i don't suppose they actually are isolated you know ? 560094;1394815146;nubbins`;"it's not even yeast anymore!" 560095;1394815153;nubbins`;well, as much as possible 560096;1394815154;chetty;it does improve with age, mostly 560097;1394815154;mircea_popescu;new bugs fall in and contribute genetic material prolly all the time 560098;1394815167;nubbins`;the big no-no is feeding your starter with anything but plain white flour 560099;1394815175;nubbins`;that said, yeast is in the air all around us 560100;1394815178;mircea_popescu;BitChrista you type in the lower bar thing to talk 560101;1394815203;nubbins`;you can train your starter, too 560102;1394815214;nubbins`;get it used to different feeding schedules 560103;1394815222;mircea_popescu;that does something ? 560104;1394815250;nubbins`;some people feed 2x daily, others 1x 560105;1394815259;nubbins`;the starter adapts pretty easily 560106;1394815266;nubbins`;anyway bbl gotta install some venting 560107;1394815276;chetty;good grief, once a week is plenty 560108;1394815279;BitChrista;Thanks Mircea_Popescu 560109;1394815305;mircea_popescu;!t h neobee 560110;1394815306;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00311050 / 0.00349835 / 0.00379999 (4434 shares, 15.51167558 BTC), 7D: 0.00299999 / 0.00354983 / 0.00436789 (98844 shares, 350.87894318 BTC), 30D: 0.00275000 / 0.00435665 / 0.00600000 (650572 shares, 2834.31458311 BTC) 560111;1394815394;mircea_popescu;;;tslb 560112;1394815399;gribble;Time since last block: 12 minutes and 55 seconds 560113;1394815411;BitChrista;mircea_popescu, what wuestions do you have about CoinVox? 560114;1394815414;mircea_popescu;floor just fell out of mining again, ridiculous. 560115;1394815420;mircea_popescu;BitChrista well, what is it, what does it do ? 560116;1394815458;BitChrista;We are a payment processing platform that allows politicians/ people running for office to accept donations in Bitcoin. 560117;1394815470;mircea_popescu;ah that! 560118;1394815484;mircea_popescu;so do you have some particular angle for that market that puts you in a better position than say bitpay ? 560119;1394815496;BitChrista;Soon they will be able to accept all cryptocurrencies. We will likely branch out to non-profits and social impact as well 560120;1394815504;ThickAsThieves;how does it differ from them accepting it directly or via coinbase/bitpay? 560121;1394815519;ThickAsThieves;do you handle AML or such? 560122;1394815587;mircea_popescu;bitbet is in crazy mode again, doing 50 btc a day and shit. 560123;1394815591;BitChrista;There are many regulations for politicians already with just accepting cash donations, It's a little trickier with Bitcoin. I also work for a web marketing company that works with candidates so we know all the regulations and compliance. So we just have the upperhand in the fact that we know how to stay in legal boundaries. 560124;1394815612;mircea_popescu;this is a us only thing is it ? 560125;1394815648;BitChrista;ThickAsThieves, I'm sure we will encounter AML at some point but haven't yet. 560126;1394815659;BitChrista;We want everything to be done legally, no laundering. 560127;1394815678;ThickAsThieves;i thought you worked with politicians?! ;) 560128;1394815691;BitChrista;Haha right 560129;1394815694;mircea_popescu;lol 560130;1394815721;ThickAsThieves;mp all the best bets are diff ones 560131;1394815730;ThickAsThieves;maybe a market to target 560132;1394815739;BitChrista;Even though we are non-partisan, I'm excited because we know which party has all the Bitcoin 560133;1394815741;BitChrista;muahaha 560134;1394815741;ThickAsThieves;wait you alreadt have huh 560135;1394815755;ThickAsThieves;you said something about advertising cex.io 560136;1394815769;ThickAsThieves;but the reverse might be good 560137;1394815800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 804 @ 0.00594365 = 4.7787 BTC [+] {5} 560138;1394815807;mircea_popescu;yeah the diff bets are a major part of bitbet, mostly because it's one of the few places where btc holders are well connected to the economy. 560139;1394815827;mircea_popescu;BitChrista so are you keeping a list of "Best For Bitcoin" politicos somewhere ? 560140;1394815835;mircea_popescu;like an issues-group or how you call them ? 560141;1394815842;chetty;BitChrista I doubt many bitcoiners are either party really 560142;1394815845;mircea_popescu;score all reps etc 560143;1394815860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00599996 = 0.9 BTC [+] {3} 560144;1394815861;ThickAsThieves;i think she is implying Libertarians 560145;1394815864;ThickAsThieves;cuz Erik has all the coins 560146;1394815882;mircea_popescu;aren't the winklejesusii democrat ? 560147;1394815910;mircea_popescu;and also branson, and a number of other people who have little to nothing to do with bitcoin ? 560148;1394815921;ThickAsThieves;winkles wont hold those coins for long 560149;1394815937;mircea_popescu;the mtgoxbtc they had you mean ? 560150;1394815944;ThickAsThieves;heh 560151;1394815947;mircea_popescu;they'll prolly hold it undisturbed to judgement day 560152;1394815947;ThickAsThieves;possibly 560153;1394815969;ThickAsThieves;plus isnt their whole ETF to sell the coins? 560154;1394815982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6074969 = 1.215 BTC [+] {2} 560155;1394816022;ThickAsThieves;oh yeah nubbins, i wanted to note that toffoo also had a top 5000 account on that gox trader list 560156;1394816026;BitChrista;mircea_popescu, I've been doing some research. I have a solid list, mostly of those running for congress. People are starting to come to us though which is nice 560157;1394816031;mircea_popescu;In insurance, as elsewhere, the reaction of weak managements to weak operations is often weak accounting. (Its difficult for an empty sack to stand upright.) 560158;1394816032;ThickAsThieves;something like 2500+ 560159;1394816039;mircea_popescu;gotta love buffy, the bezzle slayer 560160;1394816043;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.60891383 = 4.2624 BTC [+] {6} 560161;1394816081;mircea_popescu;BitChrista that's nice. anyway, fyi, this is the place where bitcoin finance is hatched, so, probably worth your time to lurk. 560162;1394816094;mircea_popescu;gotta meet politics with finance or else what good is it. 560163;1394816104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.61485448 = 13.5268 BTC [+] {6} 560164;1394816112;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves toffoo is old time, prolly pre-2013 most of it 560165;1394816123;ThickAsThieves;yeah 560166;1394816132;ThickAsThieves;an important thing to keep in mind looking at the list 560167;1394816137;ThickAsThieves;which is now gone anyway 560168;1394816165;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6149999 BTC [+] 560169;1394816173;BitChrista;mircea_popescu thank you for introducing me to this chat room. I completely agree, once Bitcoin is in politics it'll be untouchable. 560170;1394816197;Duffer1;hehe 560171;1394816226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.6184 = 3.092 BTC [+] 560172;1394816227;mircea_popescu;there's about a billion or so worth of bitcoins represented here, and likely more reachable because the logs make popular morning newspapers for many people 560173;1394816233;mircea_popescu;so yeah. 560174;1394816258;ThickAsThieves;most likely way itll end up in politics and wall st is via greed though 560175;1394816288;mircea_popescu;ofcourse. 560176;1394816299;ThickAsThieves;good luck have worthy representatives in that case 560177;1394816304;ThickAsThieves;having* 560178;1394816323;mircea_popescu;there's more to be made serving bitcoin interest than serving ws interest today, for the young aspiring politician 560179;1394816335;mircea_popescu;he just needs enough of a clue to figure that out. 560180;1394816381;ThickAsThieves;i guess any motivation to have people with a clue going into politics is helpful 560181;1394816381;chetty;they will, politicians smell money 560182;1394816382;mircea_popescu;the situation is roughly similar with "there's more to be made financing silicon valley cca 1960 than financing banking or energy sector stocks". 560183;1394816416;ThickAsThieves;currently i 560184;1394816431;ThickAsThieves;'m not sure why anything worth anything would choose a life in politics 560185;1394816460;mircea_popescu;it's a challenge. 560186;1394816493;Duffer1;the whore olympics 560187;1394816509;mircea_popescu;don't knock it till you rode it duffy. 560188;1394816525;*;mircea_popescu was a politician for most of his lyf. 560189;1394816568;ThickAsThieves;why stop? 560190;1394816581;BitChrista;mircea_popescu were you really? I feel like that would weather someone down fast 560191;1394816591;Duffer1;wow i did not see that coming MP 560192;1394816599;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i got bored. 560193;1394816610;mircea_popescu;BitChrista if you think that'd wear someone down, try being mp for a week :D 560194;1394816624;BitChrista;mircea_popescu Haha! 560195;1394816626;ThickAsThieves;i can understand that for sure 560196;1394816637;nubbins`;chetty: once a week?! your poor starter :( 560197;1394816639;Duffer1;being american i suppose i forgot there's non american politics out there.. 560198;1394816640;BitChrista;Still, please show me a *happy* politician 560199;1394816642;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you gotta appreciate, romanian politics 1990-2005 much more interesting than anything anyone's seen i nthe us. 560200;1394816647;mircea_popescu;with perhaps the exception of chicago. 560201;1394816670;nubbins`;chetty: well, to be fair, that's fine for maintenance -- i've gone as long as two months without feeding mine and successfully revived it -- but i bake every 3 or 4 days 560202;1394816695;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: saw toffoo's name there. half of -otc is on the list 560203;1394816707;nubbins`;lightbox is on there ;D 560204;1394816714;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.61929699 = 6.8123 BTC [+] {2} 560205;1394816715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0034 = 0.34 BTC [-] 560206;1394816716;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00609999 = 0.3599 BTC [+] {3} 560207;1394816717;mircea_popescu;but anyway, for self-c0k stroking purposes : i was one in the "secret circle" of romanian national liberal party, which went from making 3% in an alliance to making its own government by the time i left romania. 560208;1394816731;mircea_popescu;then i quit it in 2008, at the time it was in power. it looks like it will make... about 3% next electoral cycle. 560209;1394816737;mircea_popescu;so... yeah. it was all me. 560210;1394816748;nubbins`;liberal party! 560211;1394816750;Apocalyptic;.d 560212;1394816751;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1782 blocks | Estimated Change: 0.6603% in 12d 6h 49m 59s 560213;1394816757;nubbins`;ain't no party like a liberal party 560214;1394816768;mircea_popescu;nubbins` in the east liberal means you know, right of conservative. 560215;1394816775;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00613366 = 0.3435 BTC [+] {2} 560216;1394816787;mircea_popescu;this socialist re-defining of liberal is a purely us thing. 560217;1394816801;ThickAsThieves;like re-defining democrat 560218;1394816808;mircea_popescu;or everything else. 560219;1394816818;ThickAsThieves;ideas! 560220;1394816822;mircea_popescu;but yeah, liberal canonically means, no government, no regulation, free market etc. 560221;1394816858;nubbins`;funny how it means the opposite some places now 560222;1394816860;ThickAsThieves;i watched Atlas Shrugged Part 2 last night 560223;1394816861;mircea_popescu;in romanian parlance of the time, the opposition (ie, what the us bipartisanly does) was called.... communism. 560224;1394816867;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: and you still have your eyes? 560225;1394816869;mircea_popescu;in the sense that "this is just the old pcr stuff rehashed" 560226;1394816872;ThickAsThieves;hehe 560227;1394816874;ThickAsThieves;it was tough 560228;1394816889;nubbins`;ayn rand is a pretty big lel 560229;1394816897;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04629947 = 0.2778 BTC [+] 560230;1394816898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00613418 = 0.2576 BTC [+] {3} 560231;1394816899;ThickAsThieves;i dont understand why they are dragging it out over so many installments 560232;1394816909;nubbins`;shoulda called it "readers shrugged" 560233;1394816912;Duffer1;ask ayn rand 560234;1394816915;asciilifeform;does Ro still have a classical communist party? 560235;1394816918;Duffer1;it's all about dat paper 560236;1394816924;nubbins`;Duffer1: we can't because she died on welfare D; 560237;1394816932;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was made illegal in 1990 iirc. 560238;1394816932;Duffer1;hehe 560239;1394816949;nubbins`;canada has a communist party, can't say i know much about their operations 560240;1394816956;mircea_popescu;it might, as a private joke of some bored people somewhere 560241;1394816968;asciilifeform;nubbins`: i think that one is of the same variety as cpusa 560242;1394816978;mircea_popescu;cpusa still a thing ? 560243;1394816985;nubbins`;they might get a vote or two every federal election 560244;1394816999;asciilifeform;might be just some guy now. it was 100% moscow funded, afaik 560245;1394817022;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so was it teh putin that sold all those bonds earlier ? 560246;1394817030;asciilifeform;ask him, not me 560247;1394817040;nubbins`;about 30% of it was me exiting my position 560248;1394817042;asciilifeform;but it does smell like 'warning shot' 560249;1394817045;nubbins`;LEL I KID 560250;1394817047;mircea_popescu;it does yeah. 560251;1394817179;nubbins`;pascale agreed to do a 3-hour screenprinting class down at the textiles school today 560252;1394817182;nubbins`;poor woman 560253;1394817187;asciilifeform;rand is a kind of niche cult figure here in usa. 560254;1394817201;nubbins`;asciilifeform: for reasons i still don't quite understand 560255;1394817208;nubbins`;but hey, people were into limp bizkit 560256;1394817212;nubbins`;no accounting for taste 560257;1394817222;asciilifeform;http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard23.html 560258;1394817248;mircea_popescu;fuck this hard drive is going 560259;1394817256;nubbins`;it's not often i give up on a book partway through 560260;1394817269;nubbins`;quite infrequently after i pass the 400-page mark 560261;1394817272;nubbins`;but man oh man 560262;1394817278;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they don't sell 'raid5' boards where you live? 560263;1394817281;nubbins`;atlas shrugged... what a fuckin beat-off 560264;1394817292;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's just an ancient system doing various net stuff 560265;1394817299;mircea_popescu;but the drive just clicked 560266;1394817378;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: swap it for 'ssd' - but specifically, one several times larger than necessary 560267;1394817394;mircea_popescu;im never using ssd, fuck that shit. 560268;1394817402;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'write levelling' will give you a good 5+ years of life. 560269;1394817406;mircea_popescu;i may be the only buyer left for spun drives and crt monitors in a 100 mile radius 560270;1394817432;asciilifeform;i refuse to run spun drives other than in a r5 harness of 4+ 560271;1394817436;Apocalyptic;crt monitors, really ? 560272;1394817448;nubbins`;dem rays 560273;1394817460;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic ayup. the magic that you know and love as my endless spam is hatched on electron excitated phosphorus coatings. 560274;1394817476;ThickAsThieves;i got rid of my last crt a couple years ago, a huge trinitron 560275;1394817489;asciilifeform;(spun drives from golden age is another matter. i have a 1985 seagate that still runs.) 560276;1394817497;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: did ya pop it? 560277;1394817500;mod6;holy shit asciilifeform 560278;1394817501;nubbins`;very satisfying 560279;1394817503;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this was if memory serves a 1992 seagate. 560280;1394817507;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.04629967 = 1.852 BTC [+] {2} 560281;1394817509;ThickAsThieves;no i gave to some disposal place 560282;1394817511;nubbins`;shame 560283;1394817518;ThickAsThieves;it was a 24"er 560284;1394817522;ThickAsThieves;massive 560285;1394817524;nubbins`;you have to pay $50 to leave a crt at the dump here 560286;1394817529;nubbins`;but they mostly turn a blind eye 560287;1394817549;nubbins`;given that the alternative is illegal dumping, of which there's already too much 560288;1394817568;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00334 = 0.1503 BTC [-] 560289;1394817632;ThickAsThieves;we have a nonprofit that handles it 560290;1394817648;mircea_popescu;i think you actually get paid here 560291;1394817669;ThickAsThieves;makes sense, isnt there like 8lbs of lead in the big ones 560292;1394817676;asciilifeform;http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/userdata/prodpics/PRODPIC-22982-1.jpg 560293;1394817679;asciilifeform;one of these. 560294;1394817694;asciilifeform;(pictured is 'maxtor', of same shape) 560295;1394817704;mircea_popescu;yeah, they mostly reuse them. as long as you give it up clean/sorted (ie, not covered in rotten meatjuices or w/e common garbage) they usually give you a few cents/kg 560296;1394817726;mircea_popescu;most people just leave the stuff outside on set dates for the dump workers to collect it (they get the respective cents themselkves, sort of like a tip) 560297;1394817745;asciilifeform;if you love crts, learn to fix them. it isn't optional 560298;1394817751;asciilifeform;afaik trinitron tube is no longer made. 560299;1394817753;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/blood-donor-payments-to-be-outlawed-in-ontario-1.2572496 560300;1394817754;ozbot;Blood donor payments to be outlawed in Ontario - Health - CBC News 560301;1394817768;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or live in a country where they fix shit. 560302;1394817768;nubbins`;^ not sure if i'm for or against 560303;1394817784;nubbins`;on one hand, great way to get people to give blood 560304;1394817795;nubbins`;on the other hand, great way to get junkies to lie about their past 560305;1394817795;mircea_popescu;im against. Blutgeld ! 560306;1394817805;nubbins`;on the other other hand, they test all the blood anyway 560307;1394817824;ThickAsThieves;mp i wonder if part of your reason for needing super large text isnt your crt ;) 560308;1394817853;mircea_popescu;i don't need it! i like it! there's a difference! 560309;1394817874;mircea_popescu;and a good crt is way better than the best lcd/lft we you'll ever find. 560310;1394817876;ThickAsThieves;great for low-rez porn i guess 560311;1394817894;nubbins`;anyway these "paid donation clinics" weren't even operated by canadian blood services, nor were they collecting for transfusions 560312;1394817914;nubbins`;if CBS has a problem w/ shortages, maybe they should stop banning queers from donating blood 560313;1394817916;nubbins`;JUST A THOUGHT 560314;1394817925;ThickAsThieves;lol 560315;1394817927;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you know designers/print process ppl etc mostly use crts to this day 560316;1394817957;nubbins`;pantone or nothin' baby, don't trust the screen 560317;1394817959;asciilifeform;there exists lcd that is acceptable substitute for a trinitron. $2K+. 560318;1394817966;mircea_popescu;lolk. 560319;1394817971;ThickAsThieves;not in my experience, but i could see some doing it 560320;1394817978;ThickAsThieves;i had one for very long 560321;1394817980;mircea_popescu;uh. what, srsly ? 560322;1394817992;nubbins`;srsly 560323;1394817998;mircea_popescu;nubbins` an electron cannon you can actually calibrate to work. 560324;1394818000;asciilifeform;two vendors i know of - 'eizo' and 'barco' 560325;1394818002;ThickAsThieves;but once i saw the large Apple monitors 560326;1394818004;mircea_popescu;these led things, not yet. 560327;1394818006;ThickAsThieves;i couldng go back 560328;1394818010;asciilifeform;notice apple not in the list. 560329;1394818020;ThickAsThieves;now i use the cheapo versions 560330;1394818022;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: not a big deal if you can't also calibrate the client's monitor 560331;1394818025;asciilifeform;apple does not make optics 560332;1394818032;asciilifeform;they use, afaik, 'sharp' matrices. 560333;1394818037;mircea_popescu;nubbins` but you're controlling the print process, what's the client to do 560334;1394818047;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: provide pantone colors ;) 560335;1394818056;mircea_popescu;lolk 560336;1394818064;asciilifeform;serious lcds (mentioned above) come with a kind of hockey puck with calibration sensors 560337;1394818066;pLambert;is there an api call that returns the number of shares of mpex stocks? 560338;1394818079;asciilifeform;it plugs into jack in the back 560339;1394818086;ThickAsThieves;yeah i used to calibrate all my shit with expensive stuff 560340;1394818094;mircea_popescu;pLambert no, the way this is done is that dividends and contracts list the share count. 560341;1394818107;ThickAsThieves;drove me crazy when i'd hunch over an employee whose monitor was outta whack 560342;1394818117;pLambert;so I have to read through the contracts and find the shares outstanding? 560343;1394818125;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: amusing how often people don't realize 560344;1394818134;ThickAsThieves;amazing really 560345;1394818134;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 560346;1394818136;mircea_popescu;pLambert either that or parse the div payments 560347;1394818137;nubbins`;"why is everything tinted blue?" "what do you mean?" 560348;1394818150;pLambert;how do I get the div payments? 560349;1394818150;nubbins`;then ya fix it and they say "but it's all red now" 560350;1394818153;nubbins`;facepalm 560351;1394818171;asciilifeform;the proper 'eizo' can be had used/surplus for $1k or so. 560352;1394818177;ThickAsThieves;another huge pet peeve i have is when the wife watches the non-hd tv channels 560353;1394818178;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00041694 = 0.4169 BTC [-] {5} 560354;1394818188;pLambert;is there a list somewhere of api commands? 560355;1394818189;nubbins`;^ hif took a dive 560356;1394818191;ThickAsThieves;she doesnt care at all 560357;1394818200;nubbins`;i guess i'm not the only person who noticed topace/lightbox on that gox list 560358;1394818201;nubbins`;;p 560359;1394818208;ThickAsThieves;lol 560360;1394818209;asciilifeform;i find it strange that people would skimp on a device that they stare at for 12+ hrs/day. 560361;1394818219;nubbins`;asciilifeform: monitors and chairs 560362;1394818229;mircea_popescu;Mar 04 11:22:27 <assbot>[MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 4,050.17291466 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 810 satoshi per share 560363;1394818232;mircea_popescu;pLambert ^ like that 560364;1394818233;pLambert;nubbins`: HIF is still 4x my bid 560365;1394818239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9611 @ 0.00080389 = 7.7262 BTC [+] 560366;1394818247;asciilifeform;nubbins`: don't forget - also, keyboards. 560367;1394818257;nubbins`;pLambert: fifty cents say no divs this quarter 560368;1394818278;pLambert;just this quarter? how bout this year? 560369;1394818301;mircea_popescu;divs are overrated anyway 560370;1394818316;mircea_popescu;a sad sympthom of a cash starved community of shoelace investors. 560371;1394818327;ThickAsThieves;HIF was always insultingly overpriced 560372;1394818327;pLambert;says the guy who has the best track record of paying divs in bitcoins? 560373;1394818333;nubbins`;heh 560374;1394818344;nubbins`;pLambert: fair enough 560375;1394818345;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you have what, SGI crt? 560376;1394818353;mircea_popescu;pLambert well yeah, but still. what's the average dividend across nyse index, 1950 to 1970 ? 560377;1394818355;nubbins`;unforseen expenses mumble mumble growth mumble 560378;1394818377;pLambert;I have no idea? 560379;1394818386;nubbins`;say, what type of cooking oil does everyone use? 560380;1394818390;nubbins`;a bit OT, i know 560381;1394818422;ThickAsThieves;we actually had some cooking oil discussion once 560382;1394818424;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform currently a 21 inch dell thing. i used to have a splendid 24 inch sony but hey. 560383;1394818441;ThickAsThieves;mostly about burning points 560384;1394818481;nubbins`;yeah 560385;1394818487;nubbins`;that's why i was asking 560386;1394818499;nubbins`;i use evoo (a waste for frying, really) and it smokes too quickly 560387;1394818502;mircea_popescu;nubbins` corn or olive 560388;1394818504;ThickAsThieves;Sony always flirting with being known for quality, then always fucking it up by being weird 560389;1394818509;mircea_popescu;tho i mostly use butter. it's better for you :D 560390;1394818517;nubbins`;i may switch to canola for frying 560391;1394818526;ThickAsThieves;i use mostly olive 560392;1394818528;nubbins`;patriotic too ;p 560393;1394818542;ThickAsThieves;but i dont deep fry 560394;1394818546;ThickAsThieves;other than that 1 week 560395;1394818569;nubbins`;deep frying in the home is fuckin gross 560396;1394818577;mircea_popescu;pLambert http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/goog/dividend-history :p 560397;1394818605;ThickAsThieves;goog keeps saying theyre gonna split 560398;1394818609;ThickAsThieves;but never happens 560399;1394818613;nubbins`;i know some cast iron aficionados who only ever use bacon grease 560400;1394818618;nubbins`;but i don't really eat bacon 560401;1394818640;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete yul killed in that king of siam role :D 560402;1394818640;gribble;The operation succeeded. 560403;1394818709;nubbins`;it's funny, the guy who runs javaranch.com (a friendly place for greenhorns!) turned me onto cast iron 560404;1394818744;mircea_popescu;i have a pot too. they're good for many things. 560405;1394818753;nubbins`;anyone who spent any amount of time writing java is likely familiar with the site; few realize the guy who runs it is a real simple-living guy 560406;1394818759;nubbins`;nod 560407;1394818779;mircea_popescu;like shrimp. 560408;1394818782;nubbins`;teflon and other non-stick coatings are the biggest con 560409;1394818792;mircea_popescu;you can never get the shrimp properly cooked other than in a cast iron pot. 560410;1394818850;nubbins`;http://www.richsoil.com/cast-iron.jsp 560411;1394818866;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete bt otherwise your article suffers from a very strangely naive approach. ever heard of a dicelist ? 560412;1394818866;gribble;The operation succeeded. 560413;1394818868;nubbins`;i was in awe the first time i saw someone cook an omelette on cast iron 560414;1394818875;nubbins`;it SLID off the fucking pan onto the plate. 560415;1394818879;mircea_popescu;yup 560416;1394818910;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.0007988 = 25.4018 BTC [-] {3} 560417;1394818923;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/octopus-omlette/ << example. 560418;1394818924;ozbot;Octopus omlette pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 560419;1394818972;nubbins`;canned octopus 560420;1394818973;nubbins`;:o 560421;1394818975;tim-tams;bingoboingo 560422;1394818988;nubbins`;shamefully, it's impossible to buy a proper cast iron pan (i.e. one with a machined bottom) these days 560423;1394818993;nubbins`;you gotta do all the legwork yourself 560424;1394819021;nubbins`;or buy one on ebay from a rube who never bothered to learn how to use it 560425;1394819105;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete ah i see it's in the footnote. but yeah, the select from a page process is very dubious (natural languages don't have equally distributed words, it's actually how zipf curves were discovered in the first palce) 560426;1394819105;gribble;The operation succeeded. 560427;1394819276;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25489 @ 0.00080389 = 20.4904 BTC [+] 560428;1394819296;mircea_popescu;"Lenin seems to have believed that the party, as organized consciousness, consciousness as a decision-making machinery, had superior reasoning power. Indeed, in time this collective body took on an aura of infallibility, which was later elevated to a dogma, and a members loyalty was tested, in part, by his acceptance of it. It became part of the communist confession of faith to proclaim that the party was never wron 560429;1394819296;mircea_popescu;g.... The party itself never makes mistakes." 560430;1394819314;mircea_popescu;amusingly, this is narrowly mirrored by the all too fashionable ideea these days that there's some sort of wisdo min the crowds. 560431;1394819336;mircea_popescu;people firmly believe that codebases magically improve just by adding to them the *possibility* that someone might have read them 560432;1394819369;mircea_popescu;open source infallibility, the notion that wikipedia is in any sense an encyclopedia, everyone's obsession with crowd-sourcing and usg... 560433;1394819376;mircea_popescu;it's really quite bolshevik, comrades. 560434;1394819420;mircea_popescu;(quote via rockwell's restatement of rothbard's rand commentary) 560435;1394819764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.00567945 = 1.1359 BTC [-] {8} 560436;1394819807;mircea_popescu;"In a development eerily reminiscent of the organized hatred directed against the arch-heretic Emanuel Goldstein in Orwells 1984, Rand cultists were required to sign a loyalty oath to Rand; essential to the loyalty oath was a declaration that the signer would henceforth never read any future works of the apostate and arch-heretic Branden." 560437;1394819814;mircea_popescu;ahahaha this shit actually hapepned, too. 560438;1394819947;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 40.50883562 BTC to 80`674 shares, 50213 satoshi per share 560439;1394820315;nubbins`;amazing 560440;1394820315;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 560441;1394820321;nubbins`;...company 560442;1394820732;ThickAsThieves;so what's up with this NJ banning Tesla thing 560443;1394820741;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: TIL saltyspitoon was 16 when pirate left that feedback :o 560444;1394820742;ThickAsThieves;is there an angle that isnt ridiculous? 560445;1394820762;mircea_popescu;yes. they're fucking dangerous. 560446;1394820812;asciilifeform;the electromobile firm? or some other tesla 560447;1394820818;ThickAsThieves;Tesla dealerships are dangerous? 560448;1394820820;nubbins`;BUT DANGEROUS TO WHOM 560449;1394820825;mircea_popescu;the one ton ion battery on wheels. 560450;1394820831;ThickAsThieves;to middlemen? 560451;1394820841;nubbins`;the future is dangerous to middlemen too 560452;1394820849;*;nubbins` calmly sharpens knives 560453;1394820854;mircea_popescu;lol 560454;1394820862;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04629968 = 0.1389 BTC [+] 560455;1394820863;asciilifeform;if i recall, there were fuses between the smaller cells of which the battery was built. 560456;1394820873;mircea_popescu;nj wants to extract taxes out of the deal. if nj people get hurt, nj wants to profit at least. 560457;1394820874;mircea_popescu;seems legit. 560458;1394820900;ThickAsThieves;i thougt NJ already has a tax system for retail? 560459;1394820916;mircea_popescu;i think they were exploiting a loophole 560460;1394820927;ThickAsThieves;ahhh 560461;1394820937;ThickAsThieves;maybe these articles should lead with that 560462;1394821024;mircea_popescu;then they could charge for them 560463;1394821053;ThickAsThieves;these articles only speak of cutting out middle men and new franchise license requirements 560464;1394821059;ThickAsThieves;i see nothing of tax loopholes 560465;1394821144;ThickAsThieves;the concept of disallowing direct sales anywhere is what is boggling me 560466;1394821149;mircea_popescu;but the middle man makes some money, of which it pays some money. 560467;1394821177;ThickAsThieves;but isnt this about whats in the interest of the consumer? 560468;1394821187;mircea_popescu;"if nj people get hurt, nj wants to profit at least." 560469;1394821203;ThickAsThieves;if it's about more opportunities to tax, why dont we have 3 layers of middle man 560470;1394821207;ThickAsThieves;the more the better! 560471;1394821232;mircea_popescu;also, afaik nj is an important lobby stronghold for importers in that market. 560472;1394821256;mircea_popescu;chris christie wants to protect his career, he can't piss off the larger players 560473;1394821282;ThickAsThieves;so people buy their Tesla in a surrounding state 560474;1394821296;ThickAsThieves;even worse 560475;1394821330;mircea_popescu;notrly, let enough do that then slap a surcharge on them 560476;1394821410;ThickAsThieves;one more reason not to live in NJ i guess 560477;1394821444;mircea_popescu;but why, they'll make an electric carbit license. 560478;1394821450;mircea_popescu;best place to be. 560479;1394821522;ThickAsThieves;meh i need to think about somthing else 560480;1394821533;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-] 560481;1394821620;ThickAsThieves;http://www.techworm.net/2014/03/mt-gox-leak-archive-tricks-people-to.html 560482;1394821621;ozbot;Mt. Gox leak Archive tricks people to install Bitcoin stealer Malware. | TechWorm 560483;1394821630;ThickAsThieves;people are really still this dumb? 560484;1394821636;Apocalyptic;yes 560485;1394821649;ThickAsThieves;hacker is distributing an .exe 560486;1394821650;asciilifeform;'let's all boot up winblows and run this 700M exe of unknown provenance' 560487;1394821652;ThickAsThieves;open it up! 560488;1394821670;Apocalyptic;but it says tibannebackoffice ! 560489;1394821672;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves someone was saying a few days ago about all the bitching that thing caused in ##mtgox 560490;1394821690;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic was it just a renamed backoriffice for maximal lulz ? 560491;1394821699;ThickAsThieves;i imagine many were saved merely cuz they downloaded it to their phones 560492;1394821700;Apocalyptic;haha, don't think so 560493;1394821706;ThickAsThieves;i cant open this file wtf! 560494;1394821727;asciilifeform;the real lul is that this trick almost never yields any detectable coin 560495;1394821733;asciilifeform;because lusers typically haven't any. 560496;1394821779;asciilifeform;reminiscent of mp's piece re: spam being largely a cargocult 560497;1394821797;ThickAsThieves;http://issuu.com/playbig/docs/ybitcoin_spring_2014_complete 560498;1394821798;ozbot;ISSUU - yBitcoin Spring 2014 by PlayBig Digital 560499;1394821818;ThickAsThieves;see the latest in whose advertising and what Erik has to say 560500;1394821855;mircea_popescu;it yields the illusion of being "part of the community" 560501;1394821862;mircea_popescu;in this case, the cool community of haxxorz. 560502;1394821878;mircea_popescu;im sure while it fails to produce much coin if at all, it produces tons of definitely very valuable "views" 560503;1394821899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.04629971 = 2.4539 BTC [+] {2} 560504;1394821900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0033399 = 0.167 BTC [-] 560505;1394821901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12511 @ 0.00080402 = 10.0591 BTC [+] 560506;1394821915;mircea_popescu;which you know, is what the economy of the bankrupt world degenerated into, the economy of views. of which unit of account is one "mom look at me! mom look! mo-om!" 560507;1394821960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3239 @ 0.0008029 = 2.6006 BTC [-] 560508;1394821961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.04722996 = 1.1807 BTC [+] {10} 560509;1394822080;mircea_popescu;"Driven by their conception of rational duty, every Randian lived in and indeed was himself a community of spies and informers, ready to ferret out and denounce any deviations from Randian doctrine. Thus, one time a Randian, walking with a girl friend, told her that he had attended a party at which several Randians had made an impromptu tape imitating the voices of the top Randian leaders. Stricken by this dire 560510;1394822080;mircea_popescu;information and after spending a sleepless night, the girl rushed to inform the top leadership of this terrible transgression. Promptly, the leading participants were called on the carpet by their Objectivist Psychotherapist and bitterly denounced in their "therapy" sessions: "After all," said the therapist, "you wouldnt mock God." When the owner of the tape refused the therapists demand to relinquish it so that 560511;1394822081;mircea_popescu;it could be inspected in detail, his doom as a member of the movement was effectively sealed." 560512;1394822087;mircea_popescu;ahaha this shit's too good. did this one actually happen ? 560513;1394822143;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13461 @ 0.0008029 = 10.8078 BTC [-] 560514;1394822143;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.04892665 = 0.7339 BTC [+] {10} 560515;1394822178;ThickAsThieves;if they were lucky 560516;1394822265;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39739 @ 0.00080204 = 31.8723 BTC [-] 560517;1394822448;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.0502941 = 0.855 BTC [+] {7} 560518;1394822594;TomServo;nubbins`: peanut oil has a high burn point, great for frying fish 560519;1394822753;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6189 BTC [-] 560520;1394822863;HeySteve;the first Diesel engine ran on peanut oil 560521;1394822878;HeySteve;it's good stuff 560522;1394823119;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 29 @ 0.05308063 = 1.5393 BTC [+] {20} 560523;1394823180;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 560524;1394823181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.0008043 = 24.129 BTC [+] 560525;1394823241;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.06144302 = 2.642 BTC [+] {3} 560526;1394823302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06669939 = 0.5336 BTC [+] {3} 560527;1394823630;nubbins`;TomServo: so greasy tho! 560528;1394823647;nubbins`;fish is the one thing that i dislike frying in cast iron 560529;1394823660;nubbins`;we usually buy skin-on salmon and it gums the fuck out of the pan 560530;1394823668;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [-] 560531;1394823837;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=426987.0 560532;1394823838;ozbot;New MicroSoul coins for the masses 0.01 560533;1394823847;nubbins`;hologram misspellings now an intentional feature, it seems 560534;1394824034;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/444550285651107840 560535;1394824035;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: KRAMER: Will you look at this? ... 560536;1394824095;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.0033399 = 0.157 BTC [-] 560537;1394824125;mircea_popescu;nubbins` supposedly this is how art evolves. mistakes end up baked in by their success. 560538;1394824766;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.0033399 = 0.2939 BTC [-] 560539;1394824888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12874 @ 0.00080105 = 10.3127 BTC [-] {2} 560540;1394825773;mircea_popescu;so basically in rothbard's reading, this rand character is the quintessential balabusta, a staid, obnoxious, overarching yet profoundly ignorant and puritanical fat old woman. 560541;1394826086;nubbins`;i didn't realize she was fat 560542;1394826136;mircea_popescu;me either. but from reading this i can't imagine the woman under 200ish lbs 560543;1394826474;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 682 @ 0.00334001 = 2.2779 BTC [+] 560544;1394826535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 71 @ 0.0034 = 0.2414 BTC [+] 560545;1394827328;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.0008043 = 11.22 BTC [+] 560546;1394827873;asciilifeform;http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=9466412 560547;1394827874;ozbot;Pinkberry co-founder Young Lee sentenced to 7 years in 2011 beating of transient | abc7.com 560548;1394828670;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.075 = 0.225 BTC [-] 560549;1394828731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00079762 = 20.3792 BTC [-] {3} 560550;1394828969;nubbins`;interesting how they capitalize Good Samaritans 560551;1394829016;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform guy shoulda started a police department instead of a frozen yogurt brand. 560552;1394829051;nubbins`;http://it.slashdot.org/story/14/03/14/1458235/weak-apple-prng-threatens-ios-exploit-mitigations 560553;1394829052;ozbot;Weak Apple PRNG Threatens iOS Exploit Mitigations - Slashdot 560554;1394829063;asciilifeform;lol! 560555;1394829111;nubbins`;apparently it's worse than the old one. 560556;1394829177;asciilifeform;why a gizmo where the manufacturer controls the whole stack, silicon up, needs any prng at all, remains a mystery. 560557;1394829206;mircea_popescu;"needs". 560558;1394829216;mircea_popescu;apple aren't engineers, they're like yahoo. a media buying company. 560559;1394829239;asciilifeform;they stamp out their own 'arm' clone now 560560;1394829341;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0034 = 0.34 BTC [+] 560561;1394829527;nubbins`;^ 560562;1394829561;nubbins`;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A6 560563;1394829562;ozbot;Apple A6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 560564;1394829573;nubbins`;designed by apple, stamped by samsung 560565;1394829585;asciilifeform;many famous semiconductor firms are 'fabless' 560566;1394829591;asciilifeform;e.g. the late Sun 560567;1394829614;nubbins`;^ 560568;1394829627;nubbins`;and why not, really 560569;1394829637;asciilifeform;sparc was built at toshiba, if i recall. 560570;1394829736;BingoBoingo;tim-tams: Hello 560571;1394829869;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/george-street-girls-topless-for-kirill-sparks-outrage-1.2572990 560572;1394829870;ozbot;George Street girls topless for Kirill sparks outrage - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News 560573;1394829878;nubbins`;byline: "CBC has learned underage girls were among those photographed" 560574;1394829880;nubbins`;ah, my sides. 560575;1394829887;nubbins`;so much for your brand new nightclub, guys 560576;1394829951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.0008046 = 16.3334 BTC [+] {2} 560577;1394829989;nubbins`;from the club: "Due to the recent uproar caused by photos taken from our opening weekend, females [sic] patrons are advise [sic] of the following rule changes: 1) females are restricted from wearing clothes that expose more then 25 percent of there [sic] body. 2) exposure of breasts is strictly prohibited 3) the dance craze known as Twerking is banned until further notice. Other forms of dancing 560578;1394829990;nubbins`;will be acceptable if deemed non sexual by nature." 560579;1394829992;nubbins`;ahahah. 560580;1394830012;nubbins`;TWERKING BANNED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE 560581;1394830123;mircea_popescu;but i like twerking 560582;1394830151;asciilifeform;incidentally 560583;1394830167;asciilifeform;turns out that the instrument i proposed for raping casascius coins is available commercially: 560584;1394830169;asciilifeform;http://blog.brukerafmprobes.com/2011/06/scanning-capacitance-microscopy-scm 560585;1394830170;ozbot;Scanning Capacitance Microscopy – SCM » Bruker Blog 560586;1394830176;nubbins`;aha! 560587;1394830561;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10099999 BTC [+] 560588;1394830683;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60702 BTC [-] 560589;1394831049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10488 @ 0.00080222 = 8.4137 BTC [-] 560590;1394831176;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, do you have something to recommend for hardware RNGs ? 560591;1394831193;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: unsurprisingly, i recomment... mine. 560592;1394831196;asciilifeform;*recommend 560593;1394831197;tim-tams;BingoBoingo, you still here? 560594;1394831203;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/745/fico-will-be-elected-president-of-slovakia/ 560595;1394831203;Apocalyptic;the Cardano ? 560596;1394831205;ozbot;BitBet - Fico will be elected President of Slovakia 560597;1394831213;mircea_popescu;jurov so how's that look, is the guy winning or what ? 560598;1394831247;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rng/baked.png 560599;1394831400;nubbins`;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/the-law-page/canadian-lawsuit-to-seek-500-million-from-mt-gox-bitcoin-exchange/article17500209/?cmpid=rss1 560600;1394831400;ozbot;Canadian lawsuit to seek $500-million from Mt. Gox bitcoin exchange - The Globe and Mail 560601;1394831401;dignork;mircea_popescu, http://trilema.com/2014/me-at-its-finest/, can you explain in few words why it made sence to me, I'm not from India 560602;1394831403;nubbins`;dat discovery 560603;1394831415;dignork;s/sence/sense 560604;1394831420;mircea_popescu;dignork where you from ? 560605;1394831425;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma6m66tFK71re5la5o1_1280.jpg << ipo worthy ? 560606;1394831450;dignork;mircea_popescu, complicated question, but not from India :) 560607;1394831476;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-] 560608;1394831477;dignork;mircea_popescu, let's say from USSR 560609;1394831481;mircea_popescu;well why do i speak english, im not from scotland, you know ? 560610;1394831486;BingoBoingo;tim-tams: Not for too long, going out drinking soon 560611;1394831509;BingoBoingo;tim-tams: Per the blog url http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/ 560612;1394831512;dignork;mircea_popescu, just a popular language 560613;1394831529;mircea_popescu;apparently wir sind alle aus Indien 560614;1394831566;asciilifeform;lol 560615;1394831567;nubbins`;don't panic, we're sorta germanic 560616;1394831568;tim-tams;BingoBoingo why did you want to burn youmeandbtc.com with fire? haha 560617;1394831590;BingoBoingo;tim-tams: Looks too modern, also too much empty space 560618;1394831598;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.006099 = 0.1525 BTC [+] 560619;1394831608;mircea_popescu;(read that in a kennedy accent) 560620;1394831647;dignork;mircea_popescu, historically we might be, but it was too long ago 560621;1394831691;mircea_popescu;dignork anyway, the honest answer is that i've greatly overstated what's likely happenstance to make an otherwise valid and much more general point. 560622;1394831699;tim-tams;BingoBoingo is that sarcasm? 560623;1394831701;mircea_popescu;which is kinda how this entire expression trick goes. 560624;1394831715;tim-tams;To me I always thought the design was badish and it was way too busy 560625;1394831718;tim-tams;at least on the top 560626;1394831739;BingoBoingo;tim-tams: Maybe that's the part that makes me a bit queasy 560627;1394831750;BingoBoingo;tim-tams: Something about it just doesn't look right 560628;1394831809;tim-tams;BingoBoingo well, tonight that site should be gone 560629;1394831937;BingoBoingo;tim-tams: Unstyled html lists and tables are the new marble columns and granite steps 560630;1394831998;tim-tams;BingoBoingo: does that mean good or bad? 560631;1394832086;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00339999 = 0.1496 BTC [+] 560632;1394832091;dignork;BingoBoingo, regarding html lists etc: https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1403_02-08_mickens.pdf 560633;1394832147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00079714 = 15.4645 BTC [-] 560634;1394832176;dub;I refuse to open a goddamn pdf on such a topic 560635;1394832208;nubbins`;dub: in summary it says blah blah mumble blah 560636;1394832246;dignork;dub: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reN5vaSADKQ 560637;1394832283;dub;flash, thats better 560638;1394832298;*;dub moves lawn people along 560639;1394832303;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1728785/plain/) 560640;1394832303;mircea_popescu;!b 6 560641;1394832369;dignork;dub, youtube can serve html5 video, if you believe it's better than flash 560642;1394832940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00339999 = 0.68 BTC [+] {2} 560643;1394833123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+] 560644;1394833672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.00080281 = 25.9709 BTC [+] {3} 560645;1394833855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 49 @ 0.11950724 = 5.8559 BTC [-] 560646;1394834038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00349362 = 0.283 BTC [+] {4} 560647;1394834099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 101 @ 0.00349398 = 0.3529 BTC [+] {2} 560648;1394834160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 12000 @ 0.00333023 = 39.9628 BTC [-] {9} 560649;1394834222;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+] 560650;1394834282;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6188999 BTC [+] 560651;1394834709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00079827 = 11.7745 BTC [-] 560652;1394836175;thestringpuller;anyone have a mirror for BTCMSG? 560653;1394836178;thestringpuller;or is that dead? 560654;1394837346;ThickAsThieves;can you have both a gpg and bitcoin registration in the same WoT listing? 560655;1394837371;ThickAsThieves;I see the hint of instructions on how to change it, but not clear on whether it just replaces it 560656;1394837576;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60602 BTC [-] 560657;1394837761;ThickAsThieves;lol WSJ has been making many typos lately "Weibo, Twitter’s China, Files for IPO in the U.S." 560658;1394837957;ThickAsThieves;" 4 560659;1394837957;ThickAsThieves;inShare 560660;1394837957;ThickAsThieves;Today, the US government gave up a major portion of its control over the day-to-day functions of the internet, as the US Department of Commerce announced it was giving up its oversight role over ICANN" 560661;1394837989;ThickAsThieves;bled dry and left for the rats 560662;1394838035;ThickAsThieves;http://reason.com/blog/2014/03/12/watch-rep-jared-polis-subject-cash-to-th 560663;1394838035;ozbot;Watch Rep. Jared Polis Subject Cash to the Bitcoin-Regulation Test - Hit & Run : Reason.com 560664;1394838044;ThickAsThieves;hosted by Kennedy from MTV, lol 560665;1394838370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.04525202 = 0.6335 BTC [-] {7} 560666;1394838383;dub;dealing with support people at a chinese supplier named Judith, Englebert and Romeo 560667;1394838979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 43 @ 0.07186395 = 3.0901 BTC [-] {6} 560668;1394839223;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 26 @ 0.11950724 = 3.1072 BTC [-] 560669;1394839894;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00349397 = 0.1992 BTC [+] {2} 560670;1394839955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 184 @ 0.00356026 = 0.6551 BTC [+] {4} 560671;1394839956;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.07398797 = 0.222 BTC [+] 560672;1394840077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.0036381 = 0.1164 BTC [+] 560673;1394840200;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 204 @ 0.0036797 = 0.7507 BTC [+] {4} 560674;1394840444;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24085 @ 0.00079933 = 19.2519 BTC [+] {2} 560675;1394840504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9965 @ 0.00079708 = 7.9429 BTC [-] 560676;1394840870;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 46 @ 0.04500191 = 2.0701 BTC [-] {3} 560677;1394841675;cads;hmm, I need a near effect sensor that can give me a reading of 3d printing surface quality. 560678;1394841701;cads;sonar? 560679;1394841750;cads;maybe a good camera 560680;1394841838;cads;though I want something more stupid - surface quality is either flat and smooth and the printer can speed up, or the surface quality is blobby, choppy, with sparp peaks of plastic, and the head needs to slow down to 'heal' the print's next few layers. 560681;1394841887;cads;so something that convolves an energy impulse with the surface and then measures the scattering should be ideal. 560682;1394841994;cads;maybe an CCD system with special lighting. 560683;1394842111;cads;I just don't want to have to write a feature detector that needs to know about the global geometry at play... maybe I can train a feature detector that just detects the silhouette fingerprint of localized choppiness and other print failures. 560684;1394842273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4116 @ 0.00014925 = 0.6143 BTC [-] {5} 560685;1394843676;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05775268 = 0.1733 BTC [+] {2} 560686;1394843677;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.07398797 = 0.148 BTC [+] 560687;1394843739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 560688;1394844398;moiety;fucks sake, it's busy in here tonight! 560689;1394844416;moiety;http://i.imgur.com/wdHNYsd.jpg new business on fb 560690;1394844591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.045002 = 1.5301 BTC [-] {2} 560691;1394844607;lnovy;hehe.. when you switch a drug amphetamine test strip with pregnacy strip and the girl is clean, he will test pregnant :) And she can even show this before soon-to-be husband:) There a great bussiness in Poland with these... 560692;1394844621;lnovy;s/he/she/ 560693;1394845445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.045002 = 0.765 BTC [-] 560694;1394846238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44704 @ 0.00080314 = 35.9036 BTC [+] {2} 560695;1394847519;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07426666 = 0.2228 BTC [-] {2} 560696;1394847885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.07100005 = 0.284 BTC [-] {3} 560697;1394848181;bitcoinpete;;;later tell mircea_popescu: I should check out the film, I've only seen the mainstage production :) I'm not sure how very strange my naiveté is. I'm less naive than I was 2 months ago, prior to the commencement of my IRC yeshiva, but hardly deserving of expectation. Either way, and as always, thx for reading and the feedback.You're like having a younger Taleb as a personal tutor... 560698;1394848181;gribble;The operation succeeded. 560699;1394848535;midnightmagic;ooOOooo film recommendation? I love those, which one, bitcoinpete? 560700;1394848678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1100 @ 0.00368156 = 4.0497 BTC [+] {6} 560701;1394848716;bitcoinpete;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King_and_I_(1956_film) 560702;1394848717;ozbot;The King and I (1956 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 560703;1394849062;bitcoinpete;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgVPnWmUqd4 560704;1394849062;ozbot;Yul Brynner and Deborah Kerr perform "Shall We Dance" - YouTube 560705;1394849224;bitcoinpete;What a scene. Brynner, such a pleasure to behold, has the most unbelievable poise and strength of movement. Not a single muscle fibre out of sorts. 560706;1394849954;TomServo;https://blog.ageispolis.net/foxacid-at-hope9/ 560707;1394849955;ozbot;Suspected NSA FOXACID server advertised at HOPE 9 | Wireless Fantasy 560708;1394850167;MisterE;morning 560709;1394850169;MisterE;http://www.ibtimes.com/gazprom-chairman-sold-his-entire-company-stake-february-day-shares-fell-13-percent-report-1561525 560710;1394850170;ozbot;Gazprom Chairman Sold His Entire Company Stake In February, A Day Before Shares Fell 13 Percent: Rep 560711;1394850517;chetty;bitcoinpete: cool just about my favorite movie/actor 560712;1394850569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00080365 = 15.9525 BTC [+] {2} 560713;1394850694;moiety;I haven't seen the film but ive seen a stage production of the king and i 560714;1394850714;moiety;lnovy:that's crazy about the test strips! 560715;1394851057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4798 @ 0.00080371 = 3.8562 BTC [+] 560716;1394851149;lnovy;moiety: the drug test shows 2 lines when clean, 3 lines when under drugs... pregnancy show 1 for clean, 2 for pregnancy :) 560717;1394851180;moiety;mental! 560718;1394851220;bitcoinpete;chetty: I can see why. 560719;1394851226;MisterE;it's funny how you call the opposite or pregnant "clean" :p 560720;1394851232;lnovy;this is actually not very known in Poland and pregnant girls are buying tests by tens and selling those already pissed :) 560721;1394851240;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.05149999 = 0.515 BTC [-] {3} 560722;1394851242;MisterE;wow 560723;1394851243;lnovy;=) 560724;1394851256;MisterE;pre-pissed tests 560725;1394851260;lnovy;yes :) 560726;1394851264;MisterE;do the Japs know about this? 560727;1394851272;bitcoinpete;Well, I'm out for tonight. Date night and all. Cheers fellas. 560728;1394851274;MisterE;they will be all over that 560729;1394851286;lnovy;http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/04/showbiz/craigslist-pregnancy-kit-sale-trend/ 560730;1394851287;ozbot;Women selling positive pregnancy tests on Craigslist - CNN.com 560731;1394851292;MisterE;fucking pete with the blog and dates and life.... 560732;1394851295;MisterE;have fun man 560733;1394851301;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05025 = 0.402 BTC [-] {2} 560734;1394851330;moiety;why sell a positive one? not like you can back it up 9 months later 560735;1394851346;Duffer1;they're popular near military bases 560736;1394851354;lnovy;false positive my darling, but we are already married :) 560737;1394851357;lnovy;make me another :) 560738;1394851362;moiety;OMG 560739;1394851367;moiety;thats fucked up 560740;1394851371;lnovy;life is a bitch 560741;1394851373;Duffer1;get your claws in a man, he gets deployed, get knocked up 560742;1394851387;moiety;D>I>V>O>R>C>E> you lying cunt! 560743;1394851389;lnovy;or they are used to get money for "abortion" 560744;1394851393;joecool;hm i remember some months back a guy pissed on one for the hell of it and it came back positive, turns out had testicular cancer 560745;1394851394;moiety;wtf 560746;1394851403;Duffer1;ya well divorce in america = 1/2 560747;1394851425;DiabloD3;yeah I dont know why more men dont use prenups 560748;1394851431;Duffer1;so she wins no matter what unless the guy is actively aware of the scam and dumps her lyin ass before marriage 560749;1394851432;moiety;joecool: i thought they tested for oestrogen levels 560750;1394851447;joecool;moiety: apparently having cancer can cause them to flag positive 560751;1394851450;moiety;prenup? just dont bag a lying bitch 560752;1394851458;DiabloD3;all bitches are lying 560753;1394851462;Duffer1;their target is 18 year old hillbillies who don't know any better, and have nothin better to do than join the army 560754;1394851463;moiety;fuuuuuuuuuuuu 560755;1394851490;moiety;wow 560756;1394851511;moiety;christ the more i hear, thelss i like people 560757;1394851516;moiety;the less* 560758;1394852053;Duffer1;oh here's the fun part, in the US if you've cared for the child, then find out later it's not yours, family court will still likely find you liable for child support 560759;1394852473;moiety;did you see the sperm donor that is getting done for child support? 560760;1394852493;Duffer1;i haven't but i'm not surprised 560761;1394852531;moiety;couple lesbians ordered him on craiglist (<<< lol) but they didn't follow proper procedure and home inseminated. therefore states says he's the daddy 560762;1394852551;moiety;state* 560763;1394852565;moiety;must pay support. kid is like 4 now i think too 560764;1394852571;Duffer1;ouch 560765;1394852588;moiety;most expensive wank he has ever had i'll bet 560766;1394852653;Duffer1;hehe 560767;1394853558;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 22 @ 0.03775 = 0.8305 BTC [-] {3} 560768;1394853619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12872 @ 0.00080371 = 10.3454 BTC [+] 560769;1394853619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.03723507 = 0.2979 BTC [-] {2} 560770;1394853680;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 49 @ 0.0356594 = 1.7473 BTC [-] {5} 560771;1394853681;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61885 = 1.2377 BTC [+] {2} 560772;1394853741;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.03473599 = 0.521 BTC [-] {3} 560773;1394854160;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507529.0 :p 560774;1394854168;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0059 = 0.118 BTC [-] 560775;1394854190;mircea_popescu;andspeaking of which, copumpkin check this guy out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=ul25uaqbfplpcom0n928ij4sa3&topic=507529.msg5681654#msg5681654 560776;1394854351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 200 @ 0.00299046 = 0.5981 BTC [+] {8} 560777;1394854958;moiety;is it later tell or tell later for gribbling to someone that isn't here btw? 560778;1394855002;Duffer1;;;later tell moiety test 560779;1394855003;gribble;The operation succeeded. 560780;1394855019;moiety;ty Duffer1! 560781;1394855023;Duffer1;^.^ 560782;1394855032;mircea_popescu;yeah it is 560783;1394855039;moiety;;;later tell benkay http://getpopcornti.me/ shut down already 560784;1394855040;gribble;The operation succeeded. 560785;1394855055;moiety;ty! 560786;1394855337;mircea_popescu;what was that ? 560787;1394855459;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: weird 560788;1394855481;mircea_popescu;wild ? you did not know that ? 560789;1394855604;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you can have both 560790;1394855665;mircea_popescu;cads sonar was made for that application. 560791;1394855781;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete you've seen the mainstage production of tom green's freddie got fingered ?! that existed ?! 560792;1394855781;gribble;The operation succeeded. 560793;1394855855;moiety;it was a link that benkay posted a few days ago, saying bout time. streaming movies from torrents mircea_popescu just heard just now it went down already 560794;1394855884;mircea_popescu;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/10695204/Paranoia-leads-Vladimir-Putin-to-the-point-of-no-return.html 560795;1394855885;ozbot;Paranoia leads Vladimir Putin to the point of no return - Telegraph 560796;1394855896;moiety;baha i need to read this 560797;1394855950;mircea_popescu;this is perhaps the best i've read on the topic, for any value of best equal "entertaining due to the propaganda dial being turned to such 11, the insanity of the whole process becomes obvious even to the casual observer resulting in an unintentional self-parody quality" 560798;1394856189;moiety;"Tragically, he really thought he could be the West’s friend, failing to see that his own repressive policies made that impossible." errr since fucking when? 560799;1394856295;moiety;i don't think Putin seems to care about making pals. Our DC calls him to tell him to calm down every 5 minutes 560800;1394856396;ThickAsThieves;;;eauth ThickAsThieves 560801;1394856397;gribble;Error: You have not registered a GPG key. Try using bcauth instead, or register a GPG key first. 560802;1394856440;mircea_popescu;it's epic, ima write it up. 560803;1394856709;ThickAsThieves;i'm having trouble sorting out how to add my gpg key to otc 560804;1394856720;ThickAsThieves;i uploaded it to MIT 560805;1394856734;ThickAsThieves;and then i did a ;;changekey 560806;1394856742;joecool;mircea_popescu: april already? 560807;1394856746;ThickAsThieves;but when i try to everify it says no request 560808;1394856753;ThickAsThieves;outstanding 560809;1394856765;mircea_popescu;joecool sorry ? 560810;1394856772;joecool;mircea_popescu: that article you linked 560811;1394856778;joecool;is it april already? 560812;1394856787;mircea_popescu;o as in 1st ? hehe. maybe in some timezones. 560813;1394856796;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i think there's a special command like addkey or somesuch 560814;1394856809;mircea_popescu;you'll gotta read the docs 560815;1394856812;joecool;mircea_popescu: !gpg changekey i think 560816;1394856817;joecool;er ThickAsThieves 560817;1394856825;joecool;when in doubt ping nanotube 560818;1394856875;ThickAsThieves;i did it! 560819;1394856881;joecool;!ident ThickAsThieves 560820;1394856892;ThickAsThieves;;;eauth ThickAsThieves 560821;1394856893;gribble;Request successful for user ThickAsThieves, hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@c-98-231-58-41.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B28732FE807495EC 560822;1394856902;joecool;;;ident ThickAsThieves 560823;1394856903;gribble;Nick 'ThickAsThieves', with hostmask 'ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@c-98-231-58-41.hsd1.fl.comcast.net', is identified as user 'ThickAsThieves', with GPG key id B28732FE807495EC, key fingerprint D649FD3B664A6BCF801D727EB28732FE807495EC, and bitcoin address 1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk 560824;1394856925;ThickAsThieves;;;eauth ThickAsThieves 560825;1394856926;gribble;Request successful for user ThickAsThieves, hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B28732FE807495EC 560826;1394856934;mircea_popescu;seems you got both. 560827;1394856941;mircea_popescu;aha wd. 560828;1394856947;jborkl_;http://bcoinnews.com/2014/03/14/questions-about-bitcoin/ 560829;1394856978;jborkl_;I have not proofed this yet, but if you guys would not mind reading it and telling me if you think it sounds like I have down syndrome 560830;1394856993;ThickAsThieves;now i need to look up what an encrypted OTP is and what i need it for 560831;1394857067;Duffer1;it's the message you need to sign for ;;everify 560832;1394857093;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves open terminal, go "gpg" paste it there 560833;1394857122;ThickAsThieves;got it 560834;1394857130;ThickAsThieves;;;eauth ThickAsThieves 560835;1394857131;gribble;Request successful for user ThickAsThieves, hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B28732FE807495EC 560836;1394857158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0059 = 0.236 BTC [-] 560837;1394857159;ThickAsThieves;not really sure what i did 560838;1394857169;ThickAsThieves;but i followed instructions and it worked 560839;1394857175;joecool;jborkl_: no glaring things wrong with the writing. a couple quotes missing and maybe some comma weirdness 560840;1394857177;ThickAsThieves;felt like i verified twice 560841;1394857197;ThickAsThieves;is the last part just to make sure it works both ways? 560842;1394857211;ThickAsThieves;I assume I do not save the OTP 560843;1394857218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60522201 BTC [-] 560844;1394857219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0059 = 0.59 BTC [-] 560845;1394857231;joecool;ThickAsThieves: you can pipe it from curl to gpg 560846;1394857232;jborkl_;joecool, thank you. I will make sure to look at that 560847;1394857250;joecool;jborkl_: what region are you from? 560848;1394857259;jborkl_;Texas 560849;1394857266;Duffer1;paste the OTP mesage into where you sign messages, copy the result, then come back and type ;;everify signedmessageresulthere 560850;1394857278;ThickAsThieves;i did 560851;1394857280;ThickAsThieves;it worked 560852;1394857280;Duffer1;it's proof you can sign 560853;1394857283;joecool;jborkl_: i figured US but writing is a little different than northeast 560854;1394857305;ThickAsThieves;;;gettrust ThickAsThieves 560855;1394857305;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013 560856;1394857336;jborkl_;Well, I am left handed also. So I am naturally kinda strange anyway 560857;1394857347;joecool;i'm ambidextrous, even worse 560858;1394857361;jborkl_;heh 560859;1394857404;joecool;;;gettrust ThickAsThieves 560860;1394857405;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Trust relationship from user joecool to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013 560861;1394857657;ThickAsThieves;jborkl_ I haz edits for you 560862;1394857673;jborkl_;ok excellent 560863;1394857722;ThickAsThieves;pm's as i read 560864;1394857752;jborkl_;ok, Thank you for the input. I do appreciate it 560865;1394857859;joecool;no problem 560866;1394859292;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00368869 = 0.1033 BTC [+] 560867;1394859598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00080256 = 17.4557 BTC [-] 560868;1394859820;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu if the pc can deterministically find that a [hardware btc wallet | gpg apparatus | trng | etc] is plugged in, owner is fucked. 560869;1394859821;gribble;Error: "hardware" is not a valid command. 560870;1394859841;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.03542448 = 0.1417 BTC [+] 560871;1394859842;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu if the pc can deterministically find that a hardware btc wallet | gpg apparatus | trng | etc is plugged in, owner is fucked. 560872;1394859842;gribble;The operation succeeded. 560873;1394859858;joecool;asciilifeform: solution is easy to that 560874;1394859873;asciilifeform;yes, yes it is 560875;1394859879;asciilifeform;but tell the 'trezor' etc. folks that. 560876;1394859885;joecool;asciilifeform: put a button on it and/or limit number of pin attempts 560877;1394859897;joecool;asciilifeform: i need to play with the yubikey neo implementation of bip32 560878;1394859897;asciilifeform;!??? 560879;1394859947;asciilifeform;joecool: this is a grave misconception. if pc can 'if XXX then hardware wallet is present' even once, you're fucked. 560880;1394860004;joecool;asciilifeform: maybe i'm misunderstanding you. my system can tell if my openpgp smartcard is present 560881;1394860017;asciilifeform;yes, and hence the smartcard is garbage. 560882;1394860017;joecool;an attacker *could* attempt 3 times to use it with a pin 560883;1394860025;joecool;before it locks itself out forever 560884;1394860041;joecool;so it's a non-issue 560885;1394860043;asciilifeform;doesn't matter - you unlock the card, and it signs whatever kernel wants it to sign. 560886;1394860069;joecool;asciilifeform: except it needs a pin every time to do it, and it needs to be physically present 560887;1394860069;asciilifeform;attacker pwns the pc, you personally unlock the card, thinking you will do operation X, in actuality: Y. 560888;1394860135;joecool;asciilifeform: that's assuming quite a bit 560889;1394860175;joecool;same could be said about software wallet without factoring in hardware 560890;1394860191;asciilifeform;sure. 560891;1394860207;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00080371 = 8.7604 BTC [+] 560892;1394860426;asciilifeform;the whole point in taking the trouble to design a hardware gizmo 560893;1394860439;asciilifeform;is to assume a future encounter with a pwned host machine 560894;1394860466;asciilifeform;if you have an amulet of invincibility and the gods have informed you that you will never encounter a pwned pc, you need no exotic hardware. 560895;1394860472;asciilifeform;can use standard btc client, gpg, etc. 560896;1394861312;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu the correct way to do 'hardware wallet is' -- well, why piss out out here. 'obvious to alert reader.' 560897;1394861313;gribble;The operation succeeded. 560898;1394861581;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-the-telegraph/ 560899;1394861582;ozbot;Let’s do the telegraph pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 560900;1394861760;mircea_popescu;;;later tell jborkl_ perhaps the oil painting example is weak, seeing how the artist would probably benefit from being physically present for the wedding. 560901;1394861760;gribble;The operation succeeded. 560902;1394861834;mircea_popescu;;;later tell jborkl_ the point about "over regulate people" is vague, in that nobody, from obama to ayn rand, believe their activity is "over regulatory". indeed, all over regulators in history carefully consider the point of over regulation (in their own reference frame) and decide they're being reasonable. 560903;1394861834;gribble;The operation succeeded. 560904;1394861879;mircea_popescu;and for that matter it'd be a lot saner if you stuck around for few hours after asking for input on an article in so i don't have to make gribble work overtime 560905;1394861920;chetty;http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_MALAYSIA_PLANE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-03-14-23-57-32 560906;1394861920;ozbot;News from The Associated Press 560907;1394861931;mircea_popescu;anyway, the statement of that point im happy with is in http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/ 560908;1394861949;mircea_popescu;specifically, "As far as experience shows, people dont tend to support states that either stupidly or unwittingly include rules among their enemies. You cant win a war against math, or against drugs, or against social injustice, or kulaks. Soon after the Soviet government moved its focus from entities to rules, it lost the support of the people. Soon after the other-Soviet government moved its focus f 560909;1394861950;mircea_popescu;rom entities to rules, it also lost the support of the people. There werent that many people burning American flags in 1860, you know ? Why do you think not ? You can support a government killing Indians, or bison. You cant support a government fighting chemical compounds." 560910;1394861971;mircea_popescu;this'd be a better distinction than simply over/under, because it's a difference in kind not degree. 560911;1394861972;mircea_popescu;ymmv. 560912;1394862189;chetty;If that plane went on for hours why werent the people on board using cell phones? 560913;1394862221;asciilifeform;chetty: not much cell service in the sea. 560914;1394862241;mircea_popescu;you need a tower reasonably close 560915;1394862362;chetty;they were over land there of a while 560916;1394862382;mircea_popescu;then again... chinese people. someone probably told them not to use cell phones 560917;1394862388;mircea_popescu;and so they didn't. period. 560918;1394862424;asciilifeform;also helps to remember that cell jammer fits in a belt buckle if necessary. 560919;1394862449;asciilifeform;or, if you like exciting life, in the plane's own instrumentation. 560920;1394862465;chetty;good point asciilifeform 560921;1394862471;mircea_popescu;did they ever get fitted with that in the end ? 560922;1394862475;asciilifeform;you know, the same one that gets a magic packet and steers the flying coffin 1000km into the sea and then down. 560923;1394862553;moiety;my sides mircea_popescu !!!!!! 560924;1394862591;mircea_popescu;moiety what did you do ? 560925;1394862596;joecool;asciilifeform: cell jammers are also much more effective as they move away from towers 560926;1394862597;moiety;feeeh-lings 560927;1394862602;moiety;read your article 560928;1394862645;mircea_popescu;o o hehe 560929;1394862649;asciilifeform;the most effective cell jammer doesn't simply piss out white noise, but emulates a functioning tower - one which happens to route calls into '/dev/null' 560930;1394862664;asciilifeform;you can't buy this one from 'alibaba' but there it is. 560931;1394862684;joecool;asciilifeform: there are a lot of standards to cover with a fake tower 560932;1394862687;asciilifeform;power needed is miniscule 560933;1394862695;asciilifeform;joecool: this is a commercial product 560934;1394862695;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly, prolly white noise most effectual 560935;1394862699;asciilifeform;;;google imsi catcher 560936;1394862699;gribble;IMSI-catcher - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSI-catcher>; The body-worn “IMSI catcher” for all your covert phone snooping ...: <http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09/the-body-worn-imsi-catcher-for-all-your-covert-phone-snooping-needs/>; Septier IMSI Catcher: <http://www.septier.com/146.html> 560937;1394862722;mircea_popescu;haha cell mitm ? 560938;1394862727;asciilifeform;'catcher' is normally pictured as a wiretapping tool 560939;1394862734;asciilifeform;but is perfectly adequate for this other purpose. 560940;1394862751;asciilifeform;all known cell systems use 'toy' crypto 560941;1394862764;asciilifeform;and certainly no serious authentication of 'this is a genuine tower' 560942;1394862769;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0516 = 0.1548 BTC [-] 560943;1394862776;mircea_popescu;this is engineering these days. 560944;1394862782;joecool;gsm mitm is fairly easy with 2G technologies, the hardware isn't very expensive and the software is opensource 560945;1394862786;asciilifeform;this is cell engineering from day 1. 560946;1394862788;mircea_popescu;the whole banking system was well fucked, what with its odd notions of a cheque 560947;1394862800;mircea_popescu;so knowing that, let's build another whole industry on rotten basics 560948;1394862836;asciilifeform;the mandatory use of toy crypto in consumer telephony was blatant and entirely conspicuous. 560949;1394862966;mircea_popescu;i have no idea who exactly would wish to live in a world where a company making a product asks any government what it thinks on the topic. 560950;1394863025;asciilifeform;i've suggested before that it is a mistake to see u.s. tech firms (certainly after ww2) as meaningfully separate from usg. 560951;1394863077;asciilifeform;the cliche 'privatize profits, public pays losses' is overused, but applies. 560952;1394863090;mircea_popescu;it's by now a mistake to see anything in the us command economy as meaningfully separate from anything else. 560953;1394863100;mircea_popescu;they've plainly confessed to it what with the "too big to fail" doctrine, 560954;1394863107;asciilifeform;they've been linked in this way since the war. 560955;1394863107;mircea_popescu;which is strctly command economy under another name 560956;1394863131;asciilifeform;in the case of at&t and certain others, arguably earlier. 560957;1394863138;mircea_popescu;i guess so. 560958;1394863152;asciilifeform;microshit, for instance, is quite easily 'Department of Software' 560959;1394863172;mircea_popescu;hey, even sacred monsters a la buffett are reduced to teary eyed confessions of belief in the party, even at the zenith of their career/intellectual lucidity 560960;1394863196;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.03652008 = 0.1096 BTC [+] 560961;1394863197;joecool;asciilifeform: i'd argue longer actually than WW2 560962;1394863197;asciilifeform;'play ball' or 'have problems.' 560963;1394863200;mircea_popescu;someone did this as power moved from lenin to stalin but i don't recall who the fuck 560964;1394863209;mircea_popescu;they wheeled in some ancient revolutionary bolshevik to praise the party. 560965;1394863222;joecool;asciilifeform: i mean the communication framework was setup in the early 30's 560966;1394863250;asciilifeform;voroshilov ? 560967;1394863258;mircea_popescu;joecool i guess there's a good point here, in the sense that the infrastructure is really old, phreakin did exist, what is one to do 560968;1394863266;mircea_popescu;but let me point out that digital comms is a whole new industry. 560969;1394863280;mircea_popescu;none of the old infrastructure was usable, not really, towers is one thing copper is another and so on 560970;1394863295;joecool;mircea_popescu: unless you count telegraph as digital 560971;1394863301;mircea_popescu;my original comments refer strictly to this, while old landline is what it is, nobody forced cellphones to suck 560972;1394863373;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes that's him. 560973;1394863562;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0516 = 0.2064 BTC [-] 560974;1394864843;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 135 @ 0.0059 = 0.7965 BTC [-] 560975;1394864965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.05333313 = 0.64 BTC [+] {4} 560976;1394865148;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 35 @ 0.00478627 = 0.1675 BTC [+] {4} 560977;1394865183;mircea_popescu;soo, the missing plane is placed between kazakhstan and turkmenistan now ? 560978;1394865194;mircea_popescu;the false flag conpiracy theory is getting better and better hah 560979;1394865298;bitcoinpete;Most of the false flagging seems to be in oz right now, the no-longer-black-haired-bernie is back with penis-nosed motor racing 560980;1394865311;bitcoinpete;who here is from oz again? benkay? 560981;1394865356;mircea_popescu;cazalla 560982;1394865362;bitcoinpete;right 560983;1394865400;bitcoinpete;;;later tell MisterE haha it's a balancing act 560984;1394865400;gribble;The operation succeeded. 560985;1394865405;cazalla;and a lovely saturday evening it is here 560986;1394865434;bitcoinpete;looks soggy in melbourne, guessing you're elsewhere 560987;1394865667;cazalla;it's stormy but that's how i like it 560988;1394865809;mircea_popescu;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-S3iw8xgb964/Udcz4b_ly9I/AAAAAAAAYrw/dJWKscaa8r8/s1600/1111No-MoreAK-47sSaysSpyMasterAnnaChapman-Aa-468x547.jpg 560989;1394865994;cazalla;i guess lovely was the wrong word, it's more cozy with the storm coming over 560990;1394866041;cazalla;bitcoinpete: you're from canada, right? a brother in the commonwealth 560991;1394866084;bitcoinpete;100% 560992;1394866096;bitcoinpete;Was in London last week too at the seat of the empire 560993;1394866144;bitcoinpete;it's overlord central 560994;1394866167;bitcoinpete;here, we're finally in the plusses and enjoying spring 560995;1394866229;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: I helped write the adaptation. Someone had to. 560996;1394866240;mircea_popescu;the what ? 560997;1394866274;bitcoinpete;the adaptation of freddie got fingered, the mainstage production? 560998;1394866328;mircea_popescu;haha where was this ? 560999;1394866526;bitcoinpete;haha I'm still trying to figure out where you pulled the tom green bit from in the first place. I thought we were on the King & I. Or is Tom the Canadian King, and I Anna? 561000;1394866638;mircea_popescu;the two seem unrelated ? 561001;1394866645;mircea_popescu;you mixing two articles together ? 561002;1394866811;bitcoinpete;03:56:21 mircea_popescu:;;later tell bitcoinpete you've seen the mainstage production of tom green's freddie got fingered ?! that existed ?! >> What was this in reference to? 561003;1394866834;mircea_popescu;Mar 15 03:49:38 <bitcoinpete>;;later tell mircea_popescu: I should check out the film, I've only seen the mainstage production :) 561004;1394866875;bitcoinpete;which was a response to: 17:37:20mircea_popescu:;;later tell bitcoinpete yul killed in that king of siam role :D 561005;1394866881;mircea_popescu;o o okay. 561006;1394866946;bitcoinpete;I hadn't heard anyone mention tom green in years, probably longer than a king of siam reference lol 561007;1394866978;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07356668 = 0.4414 BTC [-] {2} 561008;1394866989;bitcoinpete;And Lewey Hamilton is on pole at the first F1 race of the season 561009;1394867039;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07297007 = 1.0946 BTC [-] {4} 561010;1394867099;bitcoinpete;Didn't know Ricciardo is Australian... He's 2nd on the grid. 561011;1394867124;bitcoinpete;http://themisescircle.org/blog/2014/03/14/the-coming-demise-of-the-altcoins/ 561012;1394867125;ozbot;The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It) 561013;1394867162;mircea_popescu;why would one want to hasten it. 561014;1394867166;mircea_popescu;these purists. 561015;1394867310;bitcoinpete;"Altcoins are not viable because they cannot reproduce that which gives Bitcoin an overwhelming competitive edge: its market cap." Neglects that pre-mined recently that was actually useful developmentally for Bitcoin. Name escapes me... 561016;1394867337;bitcoinpete;"It is unethical to create an altcoin with the purpose of making money off of it for this reason. They should not be taken seriously." 561017;1394867417;chetty;trees make many blossoms, few fruits 561018;1394867644;mircea_popescu;hey, i had it without reading it. purist argument from dumbland. 561019;1394867674;mircea_popescu;i suppose ceramic armor plates on tanks don't shoot, either, and so it's immoral to spend military funds on armor plating research and deployment 561020;1394867682;mircea_popescu;themisescircle said so 561021;1394867958;bitcoinpete;i like that analogy 561022;1394868048;bitcoinpete;anyhoo. just stopped in briefly before bed. cheers 561023;1394868381;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00080431 = 9.33 BTC [+] 561024;1394869011;mircea_popescu;;;estimate 561025;1394869012;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | 4536337702.16 based on data since last change | 4543209321.87 based on data for last three days 561026;1394869114;mircea_popescu;DiabloD3: yeah I dont know why more men dont use prenups << because most men are deadbeats anyway. 561027;1394869141;mircea_popescu;or in george's gf's words, "Ha.Ha.Ha. ha...You don't have any money. I make more money than you do. ha. ha. ha. Yeah.. give me the papers I'll sign 'em.( she leaves) a pre-nup..." 561028;1394869147;kakobrekla;:) 561029;1394869157;kakobrekla;nvm 561030;1394869174;kakobrekla;was suppose to go in the other box. 561031;1394869784;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.603737 = 7.2448 BTC [-] {6} 561032;1394870577;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2191 @ 0.000147 = 0.3221 BTC [-] 561033;1394870821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.003478 = 1.0434 BTC [-] {5} 561034;1394871187;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3780 @ 0.00080431 = 3.0403 BTC [+] 561035;1394871309;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 55 @ 0.00379994 = 0.209 BTC [+] {3} 561036;1394871614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.053 = 0.795 BTC [-] 561037;1394871980;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-] 561038;1394873427;kakobrekla;http://twitter.com/BtcDanny/status/444687265483460609 561039;1394873428;ozbot;Twitter / BtcDanny: Cyprus #2 on google trends ... 561040;1394873429;kakobrekla;ok lol 561041;1394873433;kakobrekla;slovenia has 2 mio ppl. 561042;1394873450;kakobrekla;another day or two and we will fuck up the states. 561043;1394874353;mircea_popescu;where do you bury them all. 561044;1394874726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00080438 = 19.6671 BTC [+] {2} 561045;1394874906;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1w8tib/neo_bee_zipzap_danny_brewster_serious_concerns/ 561046;1394874908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 32 @ 0.01502577 = 0.4808 BTC [-] {4} 561047;1394874958;mircea_popescu;so to this day if i google "neobee" i get 1st a havelock link and 2nd a webmail account for neobee.net, then reddit and btctalk pages. 561048;1394875004;mircea_popescu;meanwhile a 23yo fuckwith stated that "The public facing websites are being tied into the advertising campaign which starts on 1st Feb. If you have concerns about me then so be it, if you would also like me to spend my time delivering updates then just say, however I do look forward to proving posts like these wrong." 561049;1394875036;mircea_popescu;we're not on the 1st of february, nor are we on the first of march, nor are we living in the alternative world where craig woods is a businesswoman or danny webster a ceo. 561050;1394875091;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00014509 = 0.2902 BTC [-] {5} 561051;1394875104;mircea_popescu;kinda sums up nicely the earlier http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2014#560018 561052;1394875245;mircea_popescu;also would be nice to get a read as to whether danny webster is an uneducated welder from Leicestershire who tends to get involved in street fights. his subnormal mug certainly supports that theory. 561053;1394875253;mircea_popescu;http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Leicestershire-man-coma-hospital-Cyprus-holiday/story-19428449-detail/story.html <that'd be the reference. 561054;1394875253;ozbot;Danny Brewster, 22, of Whitwick, fighting for life in coma after accident in Cyprus | Leicest 561055;1394875305;kakobrekla;oh wow 561056;1394875309;kakobrekla;quick recovery :) 561057;1394875412;mircea_popescu;yeah. 561058;1394875437;mircea_popescu;funny how people who can't afford personal travel arrangements in june are suddenly ceos in september. 561059;1394875922;kakobrekla;http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.2600 561060;1394875924;ozbot;Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] 561061;1394875942;kakobrekla;last page,.. even the retards are starting to get it, amazing. 561062;1394875942;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 561063;1394876339;Duffer1;.d 561064;1394876339;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1656 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.3701% in 10d 12h 45m 45s 561065;1394876354;mircea_popescu;time for new retards ? 561066;1394876400;Duffer1;spring is upon us, the new field of retards will need another month at least to grow 561067;1394876710;Duffer1;;seen pankakke 561068;1394876717;Duffer1;;;seen pankakke 561069;1394876717;gribble;I have not seen pankakke. 561070;1394876785;mircea_popescu;"To understand the change, we need to look at some major factors that affect levels of corporate profitability generally. Businesses in industries with both substantial over-capacity and a commodity product (undifferentiated in any customer-important way by factors such as performance, appearance, service support, etc.) are prime candidates for profit troubles. These may be escaped, true, if prices or costs are 561071;1394876785;mircea_popescu;administered in some manner and thereby insulated at least partially from normal market forces. This administration can be carried out (a) legally through government intervention (until recently, this category included pricing for truckers and deposit costs for financial institutions), (b) illegally through collusion, or (c) extra-legally through OPEC-style foreign cartelization (with tag-along benefits for dom 561072;1394876786;mircea_popescu;estic non-cartel operators). 561073;1394876788;mircea_popescu;If, however, costs and prices are determined by full-bore competition, there is more than ample capacity, and the buyer cares little about whose product or distribution services he uses, industry economics are almost certain to be unexciting. They may well be disastrous." 561074;1394876794;mircea_popescu;buffet on the topic of "god forbid the free market works" 561075;1394877653;Duffer1;"I’m not sure what the implication is here, perhaps that he should be receiving his information from Wikileaks, like the rest of us ? " 561076;1394877666;Duffer1;deserves an 'oh snap' 561077;1394877987;mircea_popescu;ohsnap.jpg 561078;1394878339;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://25.media.tumblr.com/7bfcdda0062963b9fd89c2f05d95dea9/tumblr_mtmbhf6lwn1rztzruo1_1280.jpg 561079;1394879533;Duffer1;did TaT not vet the NEO principles? 561080;1394879558;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=516460.0 561081;1394879559;ozbot;Calling out the premier scam on Havelock at the moment 561082;1394879668;Apocalyptic;.d 561083;1394879668;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1652 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.2775% in 10d 12h 8m 41s 561084;1394879709;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. 561085;1394880284;ThickAsThieves;lol cmon now 561086;1394880314;ThickAsThieves;yknow the whole coma Danny B was already covered here 561087;1394880326;ThickAsThieves;they dont even look alike 561088;1394880353;Duffer1;i haven't kept up with the gossip 561089;1394880363;Duffer1;how's neo doin btw? 561090;1394880382;ThickAsThieves;it's 9mo-old gossip that lasted a few hours due to having the same name 561091;1394880382;mircea_popescu;i've not followed it either. how do they look ? 561092;1394880445;mircea_popescu;http://cy.linkedin.com/pub/danny-brewster/75/95/552 < so is that him ? 561093;1394880445;ozbot;Danny Brewster - Cyprus | LinkedIn 561094;1394880486;ThickAsThieves;i have no idea if he made that 561095;1394880536;ThickAsThieves;neo has already committed to professionally prepared quarterly financial reports, so assuming they follow-through, the IPO funds *should* be accounted for 561096;1394880541;mircea_popescu;ok, so where did he go to school ? 561097;1394880554;ThickAsThieves;i do not recall 561098;1394880567;ThickAsThieves;he's not hard to reach 561099;1394880572;mircea_popescu;well guy can answer in his own time, what's the big deal. 561100;1394880572;ThickAsThieves;if you have questions 561101;1394880584;ThickAsThieves;what's the big deal indeed 561102;1394880593;mircea_popescu;i don't talk privately to nobodies, in general. so he can answer and that's all. 561103;1394880598;ThickAsThieves;the whole post sound slike something out of a tabloid 561104;1394880610;LordPutin;that coma incident is wow 561105;1394880648;ThickAsThieves;yknow neobee isn't the name of the company 561106;1394880652;ThickAsThieves;just the stock 561107;1394880672;ThickAsThieves;even so,adding a space fixes your problem 561108;1394880701;ThickAsThieves;http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=neo+bee 561109;1394880701;ozbot;Let me google that for you 561110;1394880704;mircea_popescu;https://www.google.com/search?q=danny+brewster+cyprus&complete=0#complete=0&q=danny+brewster+lmh+holdings that doesn't look much better either. 561111;1394880782;ThickAsThieves;anywho, you are right, he can defend himself, i'm just pointing out that the accusations are a bit off the wall 561112;1394880864;mircea_popescu;gives the man the space to shine. 561113;1394880908;mircea_popescu;http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/neo-bee.com < kinda curious how much that weeklong blip cost in fiat terms 561114;1394881253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16315 @ 0.00080221 = 13.0881 BTC [-] {2} 561115;1394881469;wao-ender;lul http://www.sexandrome.it/crisi-il-sesso-si-paga-in-bitcoin/ 561116;1394881590;mircea_popescu;LA TESTIMONIANZA. Me lo conferma Pascal, gigol romano. Sono stato contattato da unimprenditrice svizzera dice in esclusiva a Sex and Rome-. Durante la cena, tra una chiacchiera e laltra, in attesa di passare dal vino al letto, scopro che anche lei, come me, ha investito nei bitcoin e sfruttato la bolla di marzo 561117;1394881595;mircea_popescu;lol. 561118;1394882106;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.07 = 1.26 BTC [-] 561119;1394882899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07000001 = 0.35 BTC [+] 561120;1394882960;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-] 561121;1394883021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5686 @ 0.00080464 = 4.5752 BTC [+] 561122;1394883082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19414 @ 0.0008054 = 15.636 BTC [+] {2} 561123;1394883509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10385 @ 0.00080208 = 8.3296 BTC [-] {2} 561124;1394883570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1265 @ 0.00080098 = 1.0132 BTC [-] 561125;1394883814;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06799889 = 0.136 BTC [+] 561126;1394883997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07 = 1.96 BTC [-] 561127;1394884485;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00080361 = 14.0632 BTC [+] 561128;1394885034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.00589005 = 0.3181 BTC [-] 561129;1394885095;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.00588835 = 0.4298 BTC [-] {3} 561130;1394887047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7798 @ 0.00080521 = 6.279 BTC [+] 561131;1394887792;davout;;;later tell mircea_popescu ready when you are 561132;1394887792;gribble;The operation succeeded. 561133;1394887964;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 561134;1394887965;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 632.5, Best ask: 632.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.09000, Last trade: 632.6, 24 hour volume: 5626.22586279, 24 hour low: 625.29, 24 hour high: 644.0, 24 hour vwap: 632.126883265 561135;1394887974;mircea_popescu;;;ticker --eur 561136;1394887974;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) 561137;1394887987;mircea_popescu;;;ticker --curreency eur 561138;1394887987;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) 561139;1394887995;mircea_popescu;;;ticker --currency eur 561140;1394887996;gribble;Bitstamp BTCEUR ticker | Best bid: 454.70425, Best ask: 454.768951, Bid-ask spread: 0.06470, Last trade: 454.77614, 24 hour volume: 5626.14529822, 24 hour low: 449.520981, 24 hour high: 462.9716, 24 hour vwap: 454.436016379 561141;1394888248;Apocalyptic;I wonder what rates does gribble use for USD/EUR 561142;1394888378;mircea_popescu;these were bitstamp 561143;1394889458;mircea_popescu;;;tslb 561144;1394889460;mircea_popescu;"A Rational Discussion Medium Focusing on Cryptocurrency, Cryptography and Privacy Claim your bitcointalk.org username on Cryptanalys.is to redeem your free karma today!" 561145;1394889461;gribble;Time since last block: 3 minutes and 24 seconds 561146;1394889463;mircea_popescu;moiety is that you ? 561147;1394889510;mircea_popescu;heh mkay. 561148;1394889648;peterl;a new bitcoin forum? 561149;1394889716;mircea_popescu;seems like it 561150;1394889778;Apocalyptic;I heard goat is building one too 561151;1394889788;Apocalyptic;tired of driving his lambo it seems 561152;1394889814;davout;Apocalyptic: prolly http://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/eurofxref/eurofxref-daily.xml 561153;1394889824;peterl;meh, doesn't impress at first glance 561154;1394889825;davout;or so i'd hope 561155;1394890594;mircea_popescu;http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/02/meet-littleredbunny-the-queen-of-cam-girls.html#url=/articles/2014/03/02/meet-littleredbunny-the-queen-of-cam-girls.html 561156;1394890595;ozbot;Meet LittleRedBunny, the Queen of Cam Girls - The Daily Beast 561157;1394890597;mircea_popescu;teh press at its best 561158;1394890677;mircea_popescu;"She says that on a typical night on cam she can lose up to five pounds from all the work." 561159;1394890684;mircea_popescu;fatties have no excuse now. 561160;1394890945;LordPutin;will mpoer be fired over her blunder re: neo? 561161;1394891744;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00210539 = 0.9474 BTC [+] 561162;1394891897;peterl;what blunder is that? 561163;1394892110;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00368799 = 0.1033 BTC [+] 561164;1394892415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-] 561165;1394892478;mircea_popescu;considering she didn't get fired over her blunder re: pirate, back in 2012, in spite of all the gigavps & co lobbying... 561166;1394892483;mircea_popescu;seems unlikely. 561167;1394893208;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00080551 = 4.8331 BTC [+] 561168;1394893208;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.60315 = 3.6189 BTC [-] {3} 561169;1394893392;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-] 561170;1394893506;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/712/bitcoin-difficulty-over-5-6b-before-april/ 561171;1394893507;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty over 5.6B before April 561172;1394893511;mircea_popescu;if this thing ends up yes... 561173;1394893532;mircea_popescu;.d 561174;1394893532;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1624 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.5522% in 10d 7h 25m 37s 561175;1394893546;mircea_popescu;;;calc 5.6 / 4.25 561176;1394893546;gribble;1.31764705882 561177;1394893554;mircea_popescu;not even that impossible. 561178;1394893643;mircea_popescu;;;calc 4.25 * 1.3 ** 3 561179;1394893644;gribble;9.33725 561180;1394893655;FabianB;$depth X.IDIFF.MAR 561181;1394893656;mpexbot;FabianB: X.IDIFF.MAR Bids: ['200 @ 0.00290837'] 561182;1394893656;mircea_popescu;meanwhile http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/ actually has better odds 561183;1394893657;mpexbot;FabianB: Asks: ['50 @ 0.0039', '10 @ 0.00395132', '20 @ 0.00396235', '50 @ 0.00398101', '200 @ 0.0040107'] 561184;1394893674;asciilifeform;http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_14/US-drone-intercepted-in-Crimean-airspace-Russias-state-corporation-2994 561185;1394893676;ozbot;US drone intercepted in Crimean airspace - Russia's state corporation - News - World - The Voice of 561186;1394893681;asciilifeform;and naturally, 561187;1394893683;asciilifeform;http://www.ibtimes.com/pentagon-russian-reports-us-drone-intercepted-over-crimea-are-false-1561578 561188;1394893683;ozbot;Pentagon: Russian Reports Of US Drone Intercepted Over Crimea Are False 561189;1394893690;mircea_popescu;haha 561190;1394893698;mircea_popescu;ah 1970s, i missed you so. welcome back. 561191;1394893757;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-] 561192;1394893766;mircea_popescu;FabianB do you see a way to convert x.idiff prices into bitbet diff bet odds ? 561193;1394893824;asciilifeform;if the little flying trabant weren't so pathetic, it would be towed through red square on parade. 561194;1394893842;asciilifeform;perhaps it will appear there anyway. 561195;1394893917;mircea_popescu;"today on Victories of Socialism : we have caught the other boys' model airplane!!1" 561196;1394893929;FabianB;not really, but it reminded me there's x.idiff.mar settlement soon 561197;1394893966;asciilifeform;it's considerably funnier if you remember what makes this particular circus trick possible. 561198;1394894009;mircea_popescu;FabianB this'd be an interesting project i guess, it's not directly obvious to me how the to prices'd relate 561199;1394894049;asciilifeform;(american flying machines were originally supposed to use the 'pro' version of 'gps', with crypto authentication. but someone, apparently, absconded with the $, and most of them left the factory with 'consumer' receiver.) 561200;1394894087;chetty;Missing airliner may have flown on for 7 hours - it gets longer with each new headline 561201;1394894115;mircea_popescu;chetty maybe it's still fl\ying. 561202;1394894143;FabianB;problem with idiff is that if you don't know when MKFUT was called you don't know how far it's backed 561203;1394894270;mircea_popescu;i guess that introduces an extra leg of risk there huh. 561204;1394894289;mircea_popescu;but still, i'd eventually expect mining to settle down and 2.9x increases over a period to be rare. 561205;1394894391;FabianB;yeah, far in the future, but now, if mkfut was called on jan 1st, it's only backed till around 29, it would need 45, currently there are asks for 39 which are not bought (probably) coz of the risk they were created early 561206;1394894405;mircea_popescu;possibly. 561207;1394894496;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1.08**13 561208;1394894496;gribble;2.71962372616 561209;1394894514;mircea_popescu;yeah, basically if period increases settle around 8% then it'll be all covered. 561210;1394894516;FabianB;my guess is they appeared 4 weeks ago and also made at that time, so probably the ones i bought are profitable :) 561211;1394894924;chetty;http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/03/06/executive-order-blocking-property-certain-persons-contributing-situation 561212;1394894924;ozbot;Executive Order -- Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine | T 561213;1394894989;mircea_popescu;hahaha 561214;1394894997;nubbins`;a national emergency!! 561215;1394895007;mircea_popescu;so the us is nao a rogue state. 561216;1394895017;asciilifeform;only now? 561217;1394895028;chetty;yeah been that way 561218;1394895106;chetty;I think talking to Ukrainians now warrants confiscation of property 561219;1394895106;mircea_popescu;cool, hopefully the russians also freeze a buncha us citizen's assets, and fiat truely collapses in a pre-hansa state of disarray 561220;1394895278;chetty;National emergency lets him declare martial law and all that fun stuff 561221;1394895304;asciilifeform;chetty: actually the 'state of emergency' is quite old 561222;1394895323;asciilifeform;afaik, continuously renewed by every u.s. president since carter. 561223;1394895325;jakov;some countries have been in a "state of emergency" for a decade or so 561224;1394895517;chetty;true but the powers he is claiming this time are pretty extreme - of course he wont really do any of that .... right 561225;1394895537;mircea_popescu;now i gotta read this thing 561226;1394895919;mircea_popescu;FabianB the last exercise closed at 908350862, so if made after dec they'd be covered to ~263421 per neh ? 561227;1394895961;mircea_popescu;I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, find that the actions and policies of persons -- including persons who have asserted governmental authority in the Crimean region without the authorization of the Government of Ukraine -- that undermine democratic processes and institutions in Ukraine; threaten its peace, security, stability, sovereignty, and territorial integrity; and contribute to the misapp 561228;1394895961;mircea_popescu;ropriation of its assets, constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States, and I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat. 561229;1394895966;mircea_popescu;pretty fucking epic. 561230;1394896050;mircea_popescu;"(v) to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order. " 561231;1394896052;asciilifeform;incidentally, this is how boddy fischer became a fugitive from the u.s. 561232;1394896056;mircea_popescu;that includes lawyers ? 561233;1394896058;asciilifeform;*bobby fischer 561234;1394896068;asciilifeform;if anyone remembers 561235;1394896075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14476 @ 0.00080155 = 11.6032 BTC [-] 561236;1394896088;mircea_popescu;"(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section apply except to the extent provided by statutes, or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to the effective date of this order. " 561237;1394896093;asciilifeform;afaik it was because of a similar proclamation by clinton 561238;1394896102;mircea_popescu;"we won't keep our word as to what we have promised in the past 561239;1394896111;mircea_popescu;and we don't intend to keep our word given here as to not keeping our word either" 561240;1394896115;mircea_popescu;total liar's instrument this shti. 561241;1394896128;chetty;typical 561242;1394896136;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1407 @ 0.00080155 = 1.1278 BTC [-] 561243;1394896170;mircea_popescu;" I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type of articles specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to section 1 of this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in this order, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1 561244;1394896170;mircea_popescu;of this order. " 561245;1394896183;mircea_popescu;check it, the us president thinks has the authority to forbide donations ?! 561246;1394896202;asciilifeform;the funny part is that none of this shit is new 561247;1394896216;asciilifeform;whole thing probably was an ms-word template left over from '90s 561248;1394896241;mircea_popescu;"For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render those measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that for these measures to be effective 561249;1394896241;mircea_popescu;in addressing the national emergency declared in this order, there need be no prior notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to section 1 of this order. " 561250;1394896272;mircea_popescu;"This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person. " 561251;1394896274;mircea_popescu;very lulzy. 561252;1394896296;mircea_popescu;so basically... the us has no law, fuggedaboutit. 561253;1394896356;mircea_popescu;from now on the correct response to anyone asking if some bitcoin corp is "licensed" or "incorporated" or legally operating within the us is simply pointing out that there exists no such thing as a united states jurisdiction, robber baron claims notwithstanding. 561254;1394896361;asciilifeform;u.s. has been ruled by decree, openly, since fdr. 561255;1394896374;asciilifeform;to whom is this a secret? 561256;1394896396;mircea_popescu;to anyone who doesn't much give a shit about the us, i would guess. 561257;1394896582;chetty;Some days it is more 'in your face' than others 561258;1394896618;mircea_popescu;funny what juju that clown thinks he has, seriously. 561259;1394896629;mircea_popescu;no moar mental hospitals in the us ? 561260;1394896667;asciilifeform;no worries, i suspect they'll reopen soon. 561261;1394896701;asciilifeform;betcha my bed is already reserved. 561262;1394896727;asciilifeform;'вялотекущая шизофрения' 561263;1394896735;mircea_popescu;im at a loss as to what exact tumbleweeds need to be rolling around in one's skull for the notion to form that any one of those paragraphs is something he can come up with. 561264;1394896739;asciilifeform;or something in that spirit. 561265;1394896787;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/психушка/ liek ? 561266;1394896818;asciilifeform;exactly that 561267;1394896842;mircea_popescu;that's okay, your schizophrenia isn't sluggish at all :D 561268;1394896847;asciilifeform;haha 561269;1394896882;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for the notion to form that any one of those paragraphs is something he can << past presidents have signed nearly identical proclamations, and they were enforced. 561270;1394896900;mircea_popescu;you know, if some fuckwit comes out and declares he can shit cake, 561271;1394896909;mircea_popescu;whether he subsequently shits cake or not, the proposition is still laughable. 561272;1394896932;asciilifeform;nah, the way it works is, he 'shits cake', and everybody eats at gunpoint. 561273;1394896938;mircea_popescu;this ain't empiricism over here. 561274;1394896968;asciilifeform;and woe be unto any who won't delight in the chocolate flavour. 561275;1394896989;mircea_popescu;because why ? 561276;1394897043;asciilifeform;well, most of the folks at the table never smelled actual cake 561277;1394897057;asciilifeform;to them, cake is this special confection that emerges from the fuhrer's arse. 561278;1394897089;mircea_popescu;such brave new world. 561279;1394897108;asciilifeform;old, old world. nobody switched off the 20th c. 561280;1394897296;chetty;Let it be written, let it be done. (goes back a long time) 561281;1394897499;peterl;This whole thing makes me angry to be an American, unfortunately the current government would respond violently to threats of secession 561282;1394897603;FabianB;mircea_popescu: (regarding idfiff) yes, but my guess is they weren't created directly after last excercise, probably in february, but who knows 561283;1394897688;ThickAsThieves;interesting, if not obvious, stat I heard: 85% of new businesses in the US are started by immigrants or their children 561284;1394897756;mircea_popescu;FabianB makes no diff tho, it's not prorated by days 561285;1394897768;mircea_popescu;it's just by periods, 2.9^intervals. 561286;1394897807;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves afaik it was 50% 561287;1394897850;FabianB;uh, then i got that wrong 561288;1394897958;ThickAsThieves;well i got this info from Shark Tank sooo 561289;1394897998;mircea_popescu;by the way - today's the absolute last day to get in the april conference, 561290;1394897999;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/ 561291;1394897999;ozbot;The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 561292;1394898007;mircea_popescu;mjr didja ever sort it out ? 561293;1394898044;ThickAsThieves;i talked to him like yesterday and he said he was gonna try, not sure if he realized how close the deadline was or not 561294;1394898067;mircea_popescu;if i recall he got well plastered clubbing last time, mebbe the lady objects. 561295;1394898088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.0058561 = 0.3631 BTC [-] {2} 561296;1394898089;ThickAsThieves;for some reason i doubt he has a "going concern" 561297;1394898173;mircea_popescu;anywya, mike_c is the winner of the little unofficial competition "who gets the lowest btc invite" 561298;1394898271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-] 561299;1394898444;ThickAsThieves;"i would like to know how long (aprox) takes one day in your country?" 561300;1394898446;ThickAsThieves;lol 561301;1394898501;mircea_popescu;wait wut ? 561302;1394898519;ThickAsThieves;from https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=1178.msg131702#msg131702 561303;1394898541;ThickAsThieves;basically idiot/genius asking where is div is from Garr 561304;1394898549;ThickAsThieves;his* 561305;1394898897;mircea_popescu;so many forums 561306;1394898966;mircea_popescu;"Was trusted" around here in the past. You lost trust months ago and it will take months if not longer to get it back. 561307;1394898969;mircea_popescu;sums it up just about 561308;1394899101;ThickAsThieves;"HP TippingPoint's Pwn2Own competition netted researchers $850,000 as all the major browsers – Chrome, Safari, Internet Explorer and Firefox – fell to attacks within the 30-minute timeframe for each, along with Flash. Only Java held up to the time-limited attacks, although researchers attempting to crack Oracle's code did come up with some interesting techniques that just took too 561309;1394899102;ThickAsThieves;long." 561310;1394899147;mircea_popescu;http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/bdaybhumor_8246.jpg 561311;1394899186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 1.74996505 BTC to 128`015 shares, 1367 satoshi per share 561312;1394899187;mircea_popescu;opera conspicuously absent 561313;1394899309;mircea_popescu;http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2014/03/seven-dead-as-job-seekers-stampede-at-nigerian-stadium/ 561314;1394899309;ThickAsThieves;maybe they just dont want to advertise them? 561315;1394899310;ozbot;Seven dead as job seekers stampede at Nigerian stadium | Capital News 561316;1394899369;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.28661130 BTC to 3`865 shares, 59162 satoshi per share 561317;1394899553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10131 @ 0.00080138 = 8.1188 BTC [-] {2} 561318;1394899613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5769 @ 0.00080011 = 4.6158 BTC [-] {2} 561319;1394900400;ThickAsThieves;http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/03/karzai-says-us-troops-can-leave-afghanistan-2014315133323437829.html 561320;1394900401;ozbot;Karzai says US troops can leave Afghanistan - Middle East - Al Jazeera English 561321;1394900428;ThickAsThieves;"gtfo bro" 561322;1394900597;tim-tams;;;seen bingoboingo 561323;1394900598;gribble;bingoboingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 19 hours, 4 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> tim-tams: Unstyled html lists and tables are the new marble columns and granite steps 561324;1394900880;mircea_popescu;"All 10 presidential candidates for the April 5 election have said they would sign the security agreement if elected. But Karzai does not want his legacy to include a commitment to extending a foreign military presence." 561325;1394900883;mircea_popescu;pretty good. 561326;1394900955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 815 @ 0.003499 = 2.8517 BTC [-] {18} 561327;1394901016;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 814 @ 0.00335586 = 2.7317 BTC [-] {14} 561328;1394901077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.0058561 = 0.1054 BTC [+] 561329;1394901199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.005891 = 0.2415 BTC [+] 561330;1394901200;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00330001 = 0.231 BTC [-] {2} 561331;1394901260;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 310 @ 0.00324354 = 1.0055 BTC [-] {9} 561332;1394901321;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00321374 = 0.2571 BTC [-] {6} 561333;1394901365;moiety;mircea_popescu: mew! sorry i passed out and forgot to put this off. had to sleep off potential hangover before babysitting a giveaway today to preserve calmness. Nope, that's not me... is that >thing< supposed to be a forum?! 561334;1394901392;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. 561335;1394901409;moiety;looks like a list of timestamped shit to me 561336;1394901414;mircea_popescu;you... passed out ? what, drinking ? 561337;1394901430;moiety;maybe >.> 561338;1394901435;mircea_popescu;lolk 561339;1394901441;moiety;i don't drink often so i get a bit affected >.> 561340;1394901444;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/cb252fa2b1e06da237e1ef787de2a6ab/tumblr_mhg9xqYO0a1s27xouo1_1280.jpg << male or female ? 561341;1394901468;moiety;MALE 561342;1394901501;moiety;it is right? 561343;1394901536;kakobrekla;its a trap, its female 561344;1394901543;moiety;wtf 561345;1394901564;moiety;poor girl, i would chuckmyself under a train 561346;1394901591;ThickAsThieves;probly a dancer of some sort 561347;1394901594;mircea_popescu;looks more like a shaved doberman tbh 561348;1394901603;moiety;LOLOL 561349;1394901626;moiety;i shouldn't eat while i'm reading this lol i almost choke quite frequently 561350;1394901651;mircea_popescu;don't pass out. 561351;1394901679;mircea_popescu;http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-brU4OUkRPb4/UbIc01JalPI/AAAAAAAAGKU/Fd9k8lq9Qio/s1600/doberman-ears.jpg 561352;1394901682;moiety;lol it was silly o'clock in the morning when i did 561353;1394901686;mircea_popescu;"hello we have no idea what r u doing" 561354;1394901696;moiety;LOL whyyyy? 561355;1394901700;moiety;i don't either! 561356;1394901730;mircea_popescu;they're getting ready to play 561357;1394901734;mircea_popescu;DOBERBALL 561358;1394901763;moiety;you should see the beach matches! 561359;1394901811;moiety;btw re the education thing... you see they are thinking on fiddling with medical education? 561360;1394901821;moiety;i.e. how long it takes to become a doctor 561361;1394901828;moiety;i.e. shortening it from 14 years 561362;1394901840;mircea_popescu;need more cheaper doctors. 561363;1394901851;moiety;i.e. doctors with less debt but also less knowledge 561364;1394901867;Mats_cd03;.bait 561365;1394901868;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9kkrwGWDw1rwcfi5o1_500.jpg 561366;1394901871;moiety;we had a locum from spain that almost killed everyone because they were trying to savemoney 561367;1394901879;Mats_cd03;.bait 561368;1394901880;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_manzo2x3Gq1r9e3eqo1_1280.jpg 561369;1394901883;moiety;he didnt have a clue whathe was doing 561370;1394901937;moiety;whats up with the firstone's face? is that a dude too? 561371;1394902053;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1331 @ 0.000147 = 0.1957 BTC [-] 561372;1394902104;Mats_cd03;kinda unisex features but not really androgynous 561373;1394902286;moiety;totally! i think its a makeup mask 561374;1394902295;moiety;gif of the day! http://i.imgur.com/cXfmOJ8.gif 561375;1394902617;mircea_popescu;o hey just what i needed 561376;1394902663;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05398999 = 0.108 BTC [-] 561377;1394902725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00080543 = 17.1557 BTC [+] {3} 561378;1394902792;moiety;sorry i thought it was pretty cool 561379;1394902842;mircea_popescu;no it is. i'm teaching a slavegirl basic trig 561380;1394902848;mircea_popescu;and i don't think she really groked the circle thing 561381;1394902907;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-] 561382;1394902968;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-] 561383;1394903032;moiety;is there much trig in slavery? 561384;1394903098;mircea_popescu;slaves gotta know errything 561385;1394903122;moiety;i fancied setting up a digital geisha type affair 561386;1394903142;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as the flesh trade goes, nothing beats the flesh itself. 561387;1394903156;mircea_popescu;but anyway, bbl, gotta attend to... things. 561388;1394903191;moiety;pet the dog! see you have a ood day :) 561389;1394903193;moiety;good* 561390;1394903287;wao-ender;v0v #conspiracy http://pastebin.com/d97LkvF7 561391;1394904615;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00213452 = 0.9605 BTC [+] 561392;1394904618;wao-ender;v0v, they are IN http://mfa.gov.ua/en/press-center/news/19559-zajava-mzs-ukrajini-u-zvjazku-z-visadkoju-15-bereznya-desantu-zbrojnih-sil-rf-v-khersonsykij-oblasti 561393;1394905408;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.00211875 = 0.9534 BTC [-] 561394;1394905409;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05398999 = 0.162 BTC [-] 561395;1394906140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06766666 = 0.203 BTC [+] {2} 561396;1394906201;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.069 = 0.414 BTC [+] {3} 561397;1394906506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1326 @ 0.00366119 = 4.8547 BTC [+] {7} 561398;1394906507;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-] 561399;1394906689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05398 = 0.4858 BTC [-] {2} 561400;1394906751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 561401;1394907238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05150111 = 0.4635 BTC [-] {2} 561402;1394907970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.069 = 0.345 BTC [-] {2} 561403;1394907971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0515004 = 0.2575 BTC [-] {2} 561404;1394907972;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] {2} 561405;1394908031;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.069 = 0.69 BTC [-] {2} 561406;1394908032;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0515 = 0.2575 BTC [-] 561407;1394910040;davout;!t x.eur 561408;1394910040;assbot;Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'? 561409;1394910063;davout;!help 561410;1394910063;assbot;List of commands: 561411;1394910064;assbot;!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} 561412;1394910066;assbot;!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} 561413;1394910067;assbot;!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) 561414;1394910068;assbot;!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} 561415;1394910069;assbot;!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} 561416;1394910070;assbot;!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com) 561417;1394910071;assbot;!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b} 561418;1394910072;assbot;!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} 561419;1394910088;davout;!t m x.eur 561420;1394910088;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00210539 / 0.00211955 / 0.00213452 (1350 shares, 2.86 BTC), 7D: 0.0019005 / 0.00205257 / 0.00213452 (2068 shares, 4.24 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00207896 / 0.00226762 (8527 shares, 17.73 BTC) 561421;1394910288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00080608 = 5.8844 BTC [+] 561422;1394910349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04950002 = 0.198 BTC [-] {2} 561423;1394910471;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34439 @ 0.00080351 = 27.6721 BTC [-] {2} 561424;1394911325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 24 @ 0.00438999 = 0.1054 BTC [-] {2} 561425;1394911691;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.069 = 0.207 BTC [-] 561426;1394912850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00359999 = 0.1476 BTC [+] 561427;1394913522;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00015 = 0.225 BTC [+] 561428;1394913765;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.0036 = 0.1512 BTC [+] 561429;1394914802;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00080608 = 6.9726 BTC [+] 561430;1394914863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1031 @ 0.00080638 = 0.8314 BTC [+] 561431;1394916083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+] 561432;1394916754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23345 @ 0.00080638 = 18.8249 BTC [+] 561433;1394916876;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.069 = 0.69 BTC [-] 561434;1394917120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00361997 = 0.3149 BTC [-] {3} 561435;1394917181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.003625 = 0.4495 BTC [+] {4} 561436;1394918035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 194 @ 0.00342695 = 0.6648 BTC [-] {5} 561437;1394918584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0505 = 0.404 BTC [+] 561438;1394918717;moiety;i think someones maybe just fucked over my site :( 561439;1394918950;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.05133527 = 0.8727 BTC [+] {7} 561440;1394918951;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62179889 BTC [+] 561441;1394919133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.069 = 0.207 BTC [-] 561442;1394919255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62179889 = 1.2436 BTC [+] 561443;1394919368;moiety;scrap that i think im just being paranoid 561444;1394919391;Apocalyptic;moiety, what's your site ? 561445;1394919438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8987 @ 0.00080301 = 7.2167 BTC [-] 561446;1394919439;moiety;cant tell you or assets will implode. its doge. but i thought someone compromised it but i think im being silly 561447;1394919499;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.00478 = 0.1195 BTC [+] 561448;1394919506;*;moiety breathes 561449;1394919594;moiety;200k tips = suspicious me 561450;1394919621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.62179889 = 6.218 BTC [+] 561451;1394919682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.11950724 = 0.9561 BTC [-] 561452;1394919743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0519995 = 0.208 BTC [+] {2} 561453;1394919771;moiety;Apocalyptic: sorry that appeared really rude, i just know how it's felt about in here lol dogechat.net its just coinchat reloaded with doge-ites 561454;1394919803;Apocalyptic;oh yeah I think you mentionned it a while back 561455;1394919804;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62179889 = 1.2436 BTC [+] 561456;1394919805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.0059 = 0.3953 BTC [+] 561457;1394919857;moiety;@savethemhood just appeared and tipped massive amounts and freaked me out. its a super young twitter too 561458;1394919865;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.00599148 = 0.5392 BTC [+] {2} 561459;1394919926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62179889 = 3.109 BTC [+] 561460;1394920292;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00359998 = 0.3168 BTC [+] {3} 561461;1394923525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00080645 = 1.6129 BTC [+] {2} 561462;1394924867;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00359988 = 0.162 BTC [-] 561463;1394924989;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0525 = 0.21 BTC [+] 561464;1394925660;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06949999 = 0.695 BTC [+] {2} 561465;1394925904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6369 @ 0.00080179 = 5.1066 BTC [-] 561466;1394926087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00080646 = 7.3388 BTC [+] 561467;1394926209;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62165999 BTC [-] 561468;1394927612;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0525 = 0.105 BTC [+] 561469;1394928161;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0695 = 0.3475 BTC [+] 561470;1394928527;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0008022 = 8.022 BTC [-] 561471;1394929259;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1111 @ 0.00088977 = 0.9885 BTC [+] {8} 561472;1394930052;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 29 @ 0.05282757 = 1.532 BTC [+] {4} 561473;1394930174;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.05395555 = 0.5396 BTC [+] {4} 561474;1394930175;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06700004 = 0.268 BTC [-] {2} 561475;1394930176;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] 561476;1394930235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0645 = 0.129 BTC [-] {2} 561477;1394930236;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05050051 = 0.101 BTC [-] {2} 561478;1394930237;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.006 = 0.282 BTC [+] 561479;1394930652;mircea_popescu;davout : 561480;1394930658;mircea_popescu;!t m x.eur 561481;1394930659;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00210539 / 0.00211955 / 0.00213452 (1350 shares, 2.86 BTC), 7D: 0.0019005 / 0.00205257 / 0.00213452 (2068 shares, 4.24 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00207896 / 0.00226762 (8527 shares, 17.73 BTC) 561482;1394930663;mircea_popescu;$vwap x.eur 561483;1394930664;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: X.EUR 1 day: average: 0.00211955 high: 0.00213452 low: 0.00210539 volume: 1350 btc: 2.861397 7 day: average: 0.00205258 high: 0.00213452 low: 0.0019005 volume: 2068 btc: 4.24473452 30 day: average: 0.00207897 high: 0.00226762 low: 0.0019005 volume: 8527 btc: 17.72735166 561484;1394930665;mircea_popescu;$depth x.eur 561485;1394930666;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: X.EUR Bids: ['450 @ 0.00212846', '2400 @ 0.0019005', '200 @ 0.00170512', '500 @ 0.00169213', '4200 @ 0.0016245'] 561486;1394930667;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: Asks: ['450 @ 0.00213452', '450 @ 0.00220629', '432 @ 0.0025'] 561487;1394930772;mircea_popescu;wao-ender i guess they'll call a general mobilisation again 561488;1394930778;mircea_popescu;maybe this time a different 1% shows 561489;1394930788;mircea_popescu;do it 50 times, it almost gets to strength. 561490;1394930906;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06825 = 0.6825 BTC [-] {2} 561491;1394931150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.053939 = 0.1079 BTC [+] 561492;1394931272;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.0008022 = 5.6956 BTC [-] 561493;1394931455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.052 = 0.52 BTC [-] 561494;1394931638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06822001 = 0.2047 BTC [-] 561495;1394931760;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 281 @ 0.00212846 = 0.5981 BTC [+] 561496;1394931801;KRS-One;.bait 561497;1394931802;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m437sxjpct1qk2vvro1_1280.jpg 561498;1394931814;KRS-One;http://i.imgur.com/IeMUwZP.jpg 561499;1394931841;KRS-One;how many times have we known old men like that lol 561500;1394933036;Dimsler;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20iem7/the_bitcoin_network_costs_nearly_1_billion_a_year/ 561501;1394933037;ozbot;The Bitcoin network costs nearly $1 billion a year to run. : Bitcoin 561502;1394933038;Dimsler;discuss 561503;1394933041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05333326 = 0.16 BTC [+] {3} 561504;1394933099;tim-tams;;;gettrust majinx 561505;1394933099;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user tim-tams to user majinx: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 10 via 9 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=tim-tams&dest=majinx | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=majinx | Rated since: Tue Jul 3 13:05:15 2012 561506;1394933175;mircea_popescu;no price is too high. 561507;1394933215;lnovy;price is too damn high! 561508;1394933225;Dimsler;mircea_popescu, 561509;1394933225;Dimsler;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20iem7/the_bitcoin_network_costs_nearly_1_billion_a_year/ 561510;1394933226;ozbot;The Bitcoin network costs nearly $1 billion a year to run. : Bitcoin 561511;1394933249;Dimsler;the real fatal flaw to bitcoin 561512;1394933260;Dimsler;is the distribution of new coins 561513;1394933265;Dimsler;and network costs 561514;1394933582;lnovy;electricity burned is almost directly transformed into network security which more or less directly affects price. The real problem and wasting is not with distributed mining but with nondistributed chain verification as this needs to be done by every participant indepently and every new member of network need to check whole chain. This is a problem that will kill ethereum very quicky as you are actually not paying transaction fee for inclusion i 561515;1394933651;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.11950724 = 0.9561 BTC [-] 561516;1394933654;lnovy;I'm trying to fix this in my coin, releasing asap™ (and no, it's not a currency). 561517;1394933670;Dimsler;can i premine it? 561518;1394933671;Dimsler;lol 561519;1394933801;lnovy;it's will not be a storage of value, so feel free, but it's doomed to fail anyway, it's only a proof of concept same as huntercoin :) 561520;1394933830;lnovy;still... it will be a jaw dropper, you can bet on it 561521;1394933934;MisterE;if you want to fix the problem force miners to reclaim wasted heat 561522;1394933959;lnovy;that problem will fix itselfs by the market... 561523;1394933970;dub;whats amex opex like? 561524;1394933971;MisterE;so ahy hasn't it 561525;1394934091;lnovy;amex opex of what? 561526;1394934140;mircea_popescu;Dimsler if oyu say so. 561527;1394934197;mircea_popescu;dub american express does options nao ? 561528;1394934230;lnovy;oh, this amex :D 561529;1394934243;dub;ok so amex spent 2.8b opex last year 561530;1394934257;dub;they are fairly small as payment processors go right? 561531;1394934289;dub;Dimsler can parrot failed trollmemes all he likes 561532;1394934343;dub;wait, that might quarterly 561533;1394934348;Dimsler;well no 561534;1394934351;Dimsler;its a serious flaw 561535;1394934357;mircea_popescu;dub amex is one of the majors. 561536;1394934369;dub;smaller than visa and mc tho 561537;1394934408;mircea_popescu;nah larger. 33bn/8bn vs 10/2bn for visa 561538;1394934442;mircea_popescu;roughly same for mc, slighly lower, something like that. 561539;1394934463;dub;probably significantly skewed 561540;1394934487;mircea_popescu;amex actually employs like... twice as many ppl as mc/visa combined or some shit. 561541;1394934489;mircea_popescu;it's huge. 561542;1394934540;cazalla;why do t hey need that many employees? 561543;1394934548;lnovy;that reddit post kills itself in first two lines... it's like saying that cost of running banking system is equivalent to amount of fiat printed... 561544;1394934566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00080132 = 13.7026 BTC [-] 561545;1394934575;mircea_popescu;da fuck do i know. better ask chenault 561546;1394934580;mircea_popescu;or w/e is the ceo by now 561547;1394934592;dub;probably to process a reciept for every bullet the USG buys 561548;1394934600;mircea_popescu;fuck me it's still chenault 561549;1394934611;mircea_popescu;he's in there since before greenspan o.o 561550;1394934730;dub;anyway having a tiny fraction of the costs of incumbents sure sounds like a serious flaw 561551;1394934763;dub;a Real Problem in the john kerry sense 561552;1394934774;mircea_popescu;a kerriblem 561553;1394934809;mircea_popescu;there's problems, see, and pros solve problems. then there's kerriblems, and kerry solves those. 561554;1394934810;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6101 BTC [-] 561555;1394934842;lnovy;John Kerry is the problem, not the solution 561556;1394934993;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00599999 = 0.12 BTC [-] 561557;1394935107;Mats_cd03;Amex is operating in the stone age 561558;1394935115;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+] 561559;1394935217;mircea_popescu;apparently stone age is profitable enough. 561560;1394935341;dub;a US megacorp i worked for pushed an innordinant amount of what should have been internal txns out to amex 561561;1394935379;mircea_popescu;http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/business/an-underling-among-the-officials-accused-of-fraud-at-dewey.html 561562;1394935388;mircea_popescu;dub primitive blockchain 561563;1394935402;dub;expect there is a lot of that going on, why run lean? 561564;1394935516;mircea_popescu;indeed. 561565;1394935542;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00080117 = 9.7743 BTC [-] {2} 561566;1394935878;mircea_popescu;turns out trusting the usg isn't a workable policy. who knew. 561567;1394936030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5027 @ 0.00080587 = 4.0511 BTC [+] {2} 561568;1394936091;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8123 @ 0.000807 = 6.5553 BTC [+] {2} 561569;1394936335;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6101 BTC [-] 561570;1394936336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00080192 = 10.6254 BTC [-] {2} 561571;1394936640;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00359989 = 0.1008 BTC [+] 561572;1394936701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00080713 = 15.739 BTC [+] {2} 561573;1394936979;MisterE;http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fla-man-arrested-sex-pit-bull-yard-report-article-1.1712069 561574;1394936995;MisterE;"OMG please stop" 561575;1394936997;MisterE;lol 561576;1394937063;Diablo-D3;[10:02:38] <dub> a US megacorp i worked for pushed an innordinant amount of what should have been internal txns out to amex 561577;1394937064;Diablo-D3;wat 561578;1394937109;MisterE;yea I caught that too 561579;1394937189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7287 @ 0.00080743 = 5.8837 BTC [+] 561580;1394937372;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00359989 = 0.1476 BTC [+] 561581;1394937433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00080748 = 20.3081 BTC [+] {2} 561582;1394937764;Neil;Nobody's being forced to run the bitcoin network, hence no problem. 561583;1394937922;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0035 = 0.875 BTC [-] 561584;1394938043;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.006 = 0.24 BTC [+] 561585;1394938052;mircea_popescu;Neil you'll be surprised by how creatively "forced" can be interpreted by politics, in either direction. 561586;1394938090;mircea_popescu;"nobody is forced to talk to the da", as exemplified by my earlier link, for one side of the coin. "wage slavery" equals forcing people to x y z on the other. 561587;1394938104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 395 @ 0.006 = 2.37 BTC [+] 561588;1394938151;mircea_popescu;there's ample caselaw showing both the "putting a gun to your head does not constitute forcing you" argument and the "minding your own business and cultivating your own field amounts to forcing other people" argument. 561589;1394938456;mircea_popescu;"Other things being equal, the highest stock market prices relative to intrinsic business value are given to companies whose managers have demonstrated their unwillingness to issue shares at any time on terms unfavorable to the owners of the business." 561590;1394938467;mircea_popescu;http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1982.html buffett continues to deliver. 561591;1394938467;ozbot;Chairman's Letter - 1982 561592;1394938707;dub;Diablo-D3: wat wat 561593;1394938716;Diablo-D3;dub: how does that even happen 561594;1394938749;dub;meh its too hard to explain how the world works to someone thats never had a job 561595;1394938776;Diablo-D3;dub: what was the outcome of this 561596;1394938781;dub;of what 561597;1394938795;Diablo-D3;of that mistake 561598;1394938809;jcpham;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20gkdx/legitimate_wager_300_bitcoins_vs_1_class_a_share/ 561599;1394938810;ozbot;Legitimate Wager: 300 Bitcoins vs. 1 Class A Share of Berkshire Hathaway : Bitcoin 561600;1394938810;dub;im not following you 561601;1394938824;Diablo-D3;dub: what happened when the corp send the internal txns to amex 561602;1394938826;jcpham;apparently he backed out of class A shares 561603;1394938884;dub;Diablo-D3: nothing, its BAU.. I was offering a reason for why amex is 'larger' than processors with more footprint 561604;1394938893;Diablo-D3;ahh 561605;1394938904;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/777/berkshire-hathaway-brk-a-will-close-at-over-185k/ 561606;1394938907;Diablo-D3;thought maybe amex got pissed or something 561607;1394938907;mircea_popescu;was it that ? 561608;1394938908;ozbot;BitBet - Berkshire Hathaway BRK-A will close at over $185k per share before July 561609;1394938952;mircea_popescu;haha look at that, reddit generates 200 comments worth 20k words for a 0.25 btc wager. 561610;1394938971;mircea_popescu;the wear&tear on the cheap chiense keyboards involved probably exceeds that figure. 561611;1394939056;dub;how much energy does reddit waste? 561612;1394939060;dub;thats a real problem 561613;1394939120;dub;if we ground up all the redditors and rendered them down for biomass.. 561614;1394939122;mircea_popescu;you don't understand, they're making the world a better place. 561615;1394939143;mircea_popescu;if it wasn't for reddit you'd probably still be killing animals for meat 561616;1394939158;dub;we could at least run bitconi for a year and the world would only be half as retarded 561617;1394939166;mircea_popescu;and like... who knows what other perversions. talking to girls prolly. 561618;1394939222;dub;mom is girl tho rite? 561619;1394939270;mircea_popescu;only if trampstamped. 561620;1394939324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00080653 = 12.5415 BTC [-] 561621;1394939332;dub;theres an alt concept for you. BitKony (2014) 561622;1394939393;jcpham;i found it funny he posted a reddit thread about putting your money where your mouth is.... 561623;1394939403;jcpham;it's looks like 2 people took him up on it 561624;1394939415;jcpham;and suddenly he had no A, only B shares 561625;1394939439;jcpham;pretty terrible bet if you ask me 561626;1394939579;MisterE;Buffet doesnt get BTC 561627;1394939867;Mats_cd03;he has the one share i imagine 561628;1394939934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00080653 = 0.4033 BTC [-] 561629;1394940117;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00600001 = 0.24 BTC [+] 561630;1394942191;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0645 = 0.258 BTC [-] 561631;1394942801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [+] 561632;1394942862;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.11950724 = 1.5536 BTC [-] 561633;1394942984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00080125 = 5.5687 BTC [-] 561634;1394943045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0051858 = 1.0372 BTC [-] {11} 561635;1394943350;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 80 @ 0.00438999 = 0.3512 BTC [-] {2} 561636;1394943634;LordPutin;havelock doing manual withdraws atm? 561637;1394943777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00080116 = 2.6038 BTC [-] 561638;1394944082;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5275 @ 0.00080116 = 4.2261 BTC [-] 561639;1394944875;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00080043 = 9.285 BTC [-] {2} 561640;1394945912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12304 @ 0.00080018 = 9.8454 BTC [-] {2} 561641;1394946034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0536985 = 0.1074 BTC [+] {2} 561642;1394946095;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05399967 = 0.216 BTC [+] {4} 561643;1394946400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00079995 = 8.7195 BTC [-] 561644;1394947803;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.62165745 = 2.4866 BTC [+] {3} 561645;1394947925;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00613716 = 0.135 BTC [+] {2} 561646;1394949267;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00079906 = 3.3561 BTC [-] 561647;1394950121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00079984 = 11.2777 BTC [+] {3} 561648;1394950365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00080064 = 4.5636 BTC [+] 561649;1394950487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00080137 = 17.3497 BTC [+] {4} 561650;1394951890;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 463 @ 0.00460828 = 2.1336 BTC [-] {18} 561651;1394952385;moiety;how close to all womenz is ozbot? 561652;1394952988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35950 @ 0.000799 = 28.7241 BTC [-] {3} 561653;1394953537;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06401085 = 0.256 BTC [-] {3} 561654;1394954969;Neil;;;bc,stats 561655;1394954971;gribble;Current Blocks: 290804 | Current Difficulty: 4.2502179198695354E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 292319 | Next Difficulty In: 1515 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 26 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4609059944.38 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.44291 561656;1394954988;Neil;ooh 561657;1394955001;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 701 @ 0.0035 = 2.4535 BTC [+] {2} 561658;1394955005;Neil;gribble lowballing a tad but it's tight 561659;1394955074;Neil;The Bastille day bet could become a big upset 561660;1394955367;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 419 @ 0.00080117 = 0.3357 BTC [+] 561661;1394955733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1524 @ 0.00342241 = 5.2158 BTC [-] {7} 561662;1394955794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5941 @ 0.00312251 = 18.5508 BTC [-] {37} 561663;1394956343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00080117 = 1.9228 BTC [+] 561664;1394956709;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00079886 = 14.0999 BTC [-] {2} 561665;1394957136;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 214 @ 0.0031 = 0.6634 BTC [-] {3} 561666;1394957197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.006 = 0.6 BTC [-] {3} 561667;1394957319;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29906 @ 0.00080206 = 23.9864 BTC [+] {4} 561668;1394957380;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 226 @ 0.006 = 1.356 BTC [-] 561669;1394958112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05260571 = 0.3682 BTC [-] {3} 561670;1394958295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0645 = 0.9675 BTC [+] 561671;1394958503;lnovy;http://youtu.be/31g0YE61PLQ <- bulls on bitstamp 561672;1394958503;ozbot;The Office- Michael Scott No God No - YouTube 561673;1394958600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00080005 = 17.2811 BTC [-] {2} 561674;1394959637;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 27 @ 0.05109629 = 1.3796 BTC [-] {4} 561675;1394959638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.06511996 = 1.3024 BTC [+] {6} 561676;1394960318;KRS-1;lol Michael Scott 561677;1394961528;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44240 @ 0.00079857 = 35.3287 BTC [-] {3} 561678;1394962504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00080323 = 6.3857 BTC [+] 561679;1394962565;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6242 @ 0.00080333 = 5.0144 BTC [+] {2} 561680;1394962687;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00080413 = 6.9959 BTC [+] 561681;1394963053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.0008055 = 12.2033 BTC [+] {2} 561682;1394963114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4381 @ 0.00080715 = 3.5361 BTC [+] 561683;1394963968;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 321 @ 0.00336241 = 1.0793 BTC [+] {5} 561684;1394964517;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 84 @ 0.06811067 = 5.7213 BTC [-] {12} 561685;1394964578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00080336 = 3.6553 BTC [-] {2} 561686;1394965249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 40 @ 0.06699 = 2.6796 BTC [-] 561687;1394965554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00348436 = 0.2787 BTC [+] {3} 561688;1394965737;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16481 @ 0.00080426 = 13.255 BTC [+] {2} 561689;1394965798;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00080288 = 12.8862 BTC [-] {2} 561690;1394966286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00331001 = 0.1324 BTC [-] {3} 561691;1394966591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22312 @ 0.00080162 = 17.8857 BTC [-] {3} 561692;1394967262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00079915 = 4.5951 BTC [-] 561693;1394967343;balulasch;hello 561694;1394967376;balulasch;I visited bit777.com 2 days ago and looked at the total wagered Bitcoins. Cant remember the exact number but as I visited today I could swear that the number was at least 10,000BTC higher. This means there must be a very huge volume. Considering the fact that bit777 is the property of casinobitco.in makes the companys stock worth on havelock seem heavily underrated imho.. I'm waiting for the new 2weekly statement like how I 561695;1394967386;balulasch;any thoughts on this? 561696;1394967442;BingoBoingo;Cake is tasty 561697;1394967628;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19200 @ 0.00014999 = 2.8798 BTC [-] {4} 561698;1394967750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00079758 = 13.8779 BTC [-] {2} 561699;1394967870;balulasch;lol seems like someone reacted 561700;1394968970;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00079659 = 6.1736 BTC [-] {2} 561701;1394969325;mircea_popescu;soo today is going to be a big news day. 561702;1394969519;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61000001 BTC [-] 561703;1394969937;balulasch;mircea what are you referring to? 561704;1394970882;dub;pulling the plug on mpex ponzi 561705;1394970983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00079551 = 12.4497 BTC [-] 561706;1394971227;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1951 @ 0.00330923 = 6.4563 BTC [-] {6} 561707;1394971288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 948 @ 0.00320167 = 3.0352 BTC [-] {7} 561708;1394971776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.0007951 = 8.6666 BTC [-] {2} 561709;1394972775;balulasch_;collective hangover 561710;1394972789;balulasch_;collective coma 561711;1394972891;balulasch_;what 561712;1394973118;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06999998 = 0.14 BTC [+] 561713;1394973301;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00338159 = 0.1488 BTC [+] {4} 561714;1394973327;LordPutin;Mark Karpelas was on mh370? 561715;1394973430;balulasch_;yes 561716;1394974216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.0007991 = 4.0754 BTC [+] 561717;1394974391;Neil;LordPutin: lol 561718;1394974765;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26143 @ 0.00080088 = 20.9374 BTC [+] {4} 561719;1394975143;mircea_popescu;;;tslb 561720;1394975145;gribble;Time since last block: 10 minutes and 36 seconds 561721;1394975256;ThickAsThieves;what's the big news? 561722;1394975273;balulasch_;cbtc's 2weekly report will be big news 561723;1394975276;mircea_popescu;gimme a minute eh. 561724;1394975314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1256 @ 0.00080451 = 1.0105 BTC [+] 561725;1394975318;ThickAsThieves;pump moar 561726;1394975383;balulasch_;hope they will release it today even though its sunday 561727;1394975395;Duffer1;z 561728;1394975397;Duffer1;er 561729;1394975399;Duffer1;zzzzz 561730;1394975403;ThickAsThieves;maybe they'll release it yesterday 561731;1394975411;ThickAsThieves;wouldnt that be awesomer? 561732;1394975419;balulasch_;no 561733;1394975427;balulasch_;bought my shares today 561734;1394975436;Duffer1;i'm sorry to hear that 561735;1394975466;Duffer1;buy rumor sell news 561736;1394975476;balulasch_;why do i never get an answer that makes any sense 561737;1394975497;ThickAsThieves;responses are in kind 561738;1394975532;balulasch_;just read a lot of the channels log aswell 561739;1394975539;Duffer1;it's good that you're hear though 561740;1394975545;balulasch_;bs talk all the way 561741;1394975548;ThickAsThieves;how long did it take? 561742;1394975568;balulasch_;can someone recommend me some useful irc channels? 561743;1394975593;ThickAsThieves;#altcoin 561744;1394975614;ThickAsThieves;#mtgox 561745;1394975614;Duffer1;you can hang around and try to avoid catastrophic losses i suppose 561746;1394975615;balulasch_;on freenode? 561747;1394975619;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00080449 = 11.3031 BTC [-] {2} 561748;1394975641;Duffer1;any other channel should suffice otherwise 561749;1394975744;nubbins`;<balulasch_> bs talk all the way <<< lel he's right ;( 561750;1394975760;Duffer1;well ya but there's good bits too :P 561751;1394975775;ThickAsThieves;yeah but bs is just the style of the conversation 561752;1394975791;ThickAsThieves;so much context in it tho 561753;1394975808;ThickAsThieves;i guess it's that "variety speak" 561754;1394975819;Duffer1;indeed 561755;1394975985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 246 @ 0.00320465 = 0.7883 BTC [-] {7} 561756;1394976461;mircea_popescu;;;tslb 561757;1394976463;gribble;Time since last block: 32 minutes and 34 seconds 561758;1394976468;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck which of you broke bitcoin 561759;1394976498;ThickAsThieves;i'll try rebooting 561760;1394976530;ThickAsThieves;mp's big news is that bitcoin is hacked, he;s just waiting for his coins to clear 561761;1394976539;Apocalyptic;heh 561762;1394976637;ThickAsThieves;maybe he finally bought Rift 561763;1394976656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00080417 = 2.3723 BTC [-] 561764;1394976673;Apocalyptic;why would he wait for a tx to clear then ? 561765;1394976703;mircea_popescu;dude how does this shit work. 35 minutes for a block, then 3 blocks in 3 minutes. 561766;1394976712;ThickAsThieves;;;tslb 561767;1394976713;gribble;Time since last block: 1 minute and 6 seconds 561768;1394976732;ThickAsThieves;blame the Real Nigga God 561769;1394976754;Duffer1;LOL 561770;1394977022;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00080591 = 24.6206 BTC [+] {3} 561771;1394977228;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/march-against-police-brutality-declared-illegal-broken-up-1.2574163 561772;1394977229;ozbot;March against police brutality declared illegal, broken up - Montreal - CBC News 561773;1394977231;nubbins`;didn't see that coming 561774;1394977388;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 195 @ 0.0060001 = 1.17 BTC [+] 561775;1394977510;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.62084749 = 2.4834 BTC [+] {4} 561776;1394977571;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0033 = 0.33 BTC [+] 561777;1394977572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.006 = 3 BTC [-] {3} 561778;1394977632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 600 @ 0.006 = 3.6 BTC [-] 561779;1394977633;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17898 @ 0.00080835 = 14.4678 BTC [+] {2} 561780;1394977693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.62186666 = 3.7312 BTC [+] {4} 561781;1394977758;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/an-era-ends-today-a-new-era-starts-today/ 561782;1394977758;ozbot;An era ends today. A new era starts today. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 561783;1394977761;mircea_popescu;that's the big news 561784;1394977767;mircea_popescu;(still your fluttering hearts, it's nothing bad) 561785;1394977803;mircea_popescu;also if anyone wants to put it on reddit (and thanks jcpham for mentioning the lulzy reddit "bet", he inspired me) 561786;1394978192;ThickAsThieves;interesting 561787;1394978305;ThickAsThieves;i just threw 5 on it too 561788;1394978322;mircea_popescu;what, on yes ? 561789;1394979035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.612755 = 2.451 BTC [-] {3} 561790;1394979114;mircea_popescu;;;tslb 561791;1394979117;gribble;Time since last block: 26 minutes and 24 seconds 561792;1394979118;mircea_popescu;check it out, again. 561793;1394979251;ThickAsThieves;it's hard there for a pimp 561794;1394979254;ThickAsThieves;out there* 561795;1394979418;mircea_popescu;somebody really should check out the block timing, there may be some sort of issue here. 561796;1394979828;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05239895 = 0.1048 BTC [+] {2} 561797;1394979836;balulasch_;why? i dont see any problem with that 561798;1394979893;mircea_popescu;balulasch_ can you calculate the odds of a block taking 30 minutes to solve ? 561799;1394979952;mircea_popescu;dubsy why haet. 561800;1394980011;ThickAsThieves;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP8RB7UZHKI 561801;1394980011;ozbot;3-year-old Mateo Makes His Case for Cupcakes: "Linda, honey, just listen." - YouTube 561802;1394980112;balulasch_;no idea 561803;1394980122;mircea_popescu;balulasch_ re the cbtc bs : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=465334.0 561804;1394980140;mircea_popescu;bullshit corp made out of bullshit, worth ~the going rate for bullshit in your jurisdiction. 561805;1394980194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.612001 = 1.224 BTC [-] {2} 561806;1394980255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10220 @ 0.00086345 = 8.8245 BTC [+] {2} 561807;1394980255;chetty;TAT I saw that video couple days ago, nothing cute about it 561808;1394980270;ThickAsThieves;hater 561809;1394980294;balulasch_;do you think the total wagered coins on bit777 main page are made up? 561810;1394980298;balulasch_;if not 561811;1394980306;balulasch_;stock price will double later today 561812;1394980307;ThickAsThieves;i hope he hope his cheated-on wife makes a similar video in 20 yeards 561813;1394980324;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvZgwtpPmLY 561814;1394980325;ozbot;blues brothers - sell me your children - YouTube 561815;1394980327;mircea_popescu;moar bettar. 561816;1394980505;ThickAsThieves;balulasch_ I take it you're the one with the 35k-share ask wall on CBTC 561817;1394980532;ThickAsThieves;well, not a "wall" 561818;1394980534;ThickAsThieves;but 561819;1394980538;ThickAsThieves;yknow 561820;1394980546;balulasch_;2014-03-16 07:01:1318756฿0.00015000฿2.8134 561821;1394980549;balulasch_;that was me 561822;1394980554;ThickAsThieves;pumping your stock in here won't move the price 561823;1394980570;ThickAsThieves;try trollchat or something 561824;1394980570;balulasch_;im just asking for opinions 561825;1394980572;mircea_popescu;!t h cbtc 561826;1394980573;assbot;[HAVELOCK:CBTC] 1D: 0.00014500 / 0.00014974 / 0.00015992 (23741 shares, 3.55508111 BTC), 7D: 0.00009900 / 0.00014508 / 0.00018799 (193380 shares, 28.05464854 BTC), 30D: 0.00009900 / 0.00018188 / 0.00024990 (1108845 shares, 201.67261943 BTC) 561827;1394980595;mircea_popescu;what did it ipo at anyway, was it 2 ? or 1 or what ? 561828;1394980612;balulasch_;12 561829;1394980651;ThickAsThieves;it'd take about 200btc to double the price 561830;1394980653;mircea_popescu;yeah well. tell them to start making proper reports and stop with the nonsensical "we are great ra ra ra" bullshit, 561831;1394980661;mircea_popescu;maybe they have a chance to matter in a year or w/e. 561832;1394980675;Neil;Oh dear; I now have 12 months of loading bitbet to see Berkshire Hathaway at the top. 561833;1394980687;ThickAsThieves;lol 561834;1394980712;mircea_popescu;lol 561835;1394980723;ThickAsThieves;kinda an important observation 561836;1394980734;mircea_popescu;you never know when a diff bet comes and swoops the top spot you know ? 561837;1394980734;ThickAsThieves;sets the tone for any new visitor 561838;1394980737;ThickAsThieves;for better or worse 561839;1394980750;mircea_popescu;so far 1000:1 odds lol 561840;1394980751;balulasch_;https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2SWZWkGJ1V3UEo0Q0lESk5nd0k&usp=sharing 561841;1394980752;ozbot;CasinoBitco.in - Public 561842;1394980753;Neil;Gotta say despite the odds I'm not gonna bet No on that one. 561843;1394980760;balulasch_;new 2weekly report coming soon 561844;1394980766;mircea_popescu;Neil nuts. 561845;1394980779;mircea_popescu;i mean i fully understand you, but from an "outside" perspective, right ? fucking nuts. 561846;1394980794;mircea_popescu;perhaps this is the best line to explain to noobs why bitcoin is so powerful : 561847;1394980813;mircea_popescu;"honey, there's a 1000:1 bet that berkshire will outperform bitcoin in 2014, and i'm not taking it" 561848;1394980818;Neil;You mean, if you're not a bitcoin believer? Then yeah. But I'm quite confident BTC will outperform Berkshire. 561849;1394980842;mircea_popescu;kinda why the article is adressed to the would-be financiers of wallstreet and generally the world's pretend-bankers. 561850;1394980843;ThickAsThieves;it also has to outperform USD inflation 561851;1394980846;Neil;Unfortunately those who don't believe in bitcoin will not have bitcoin to spend on the bet :) 561852;1394980851;mircea_popescu;none of them will make 1k btc in 2014. so why aren't they ? 561853;1394980859;mircea_popescu;"they choose not to run", perhaps ? 561854;1394980861;Neil;Or will say their winnings will be near-worthless, yadda yadda. 561855;1394980865;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 449 @ 0.006 = 2.694 BTC [-] 561856;1394980877;mircea_popescu;no resources, no skill, no talent, no ability, no brains, perhaps ? 561857;1394980886;ThickAsThieves;the excuse will be, I don't wanna have to buy bitcoins to bet against bitcoin 561858;1394980894;mircea_popescu;derp. 561859;1394980904;Neil;Would be funny if Buffett bet 1k BTC on the other side tho. 561860;1394980904;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves anyway, that's the genius of it :D 561861;1394980913;Neil;I'd join in then. 561862;1394980926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.052399 = 0.1048 BTC [+] {2} 561863;1394980931;mircea_popescu;Neil so mail him. 561864;1394980957;ThickAsThieves;and Buffet would say of this bet, "The bet is a perfect example of why Bitcoin is a bad investment, it is speculation and gambling at its purest!" 561865;1394980977;chetty;purity :D 561866;1394980977;mircea_popescu;"no intrinsic value in this bet" 561867;1394981013;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves oddly, he doesn't say the same of government-sponsored transfer of wealth from the middle class to the lower class. that's fine, iho. 561868;1394981066;ThickAsThieves;well he can only lean on the inertia of BRK so hard til it falls over 561869;1394981131;ThickAsThieves;in less than a year I learned a bunch of stuff about Buffet, and then the first letter I get to read as it is release, reads like satire 561870;1394981140;ThickAsThieves;kinda surreal 561871;1394981149;ThickAsThieves;released* 561872;1394981185;mircea_popescu;indeed. 561873;1394981195;mircea_popescu;well, we should be so lucky to live to be our own parodies. 561874;1394981197;mircea_popescu;or perhaps not. 561875;1394981220;mircea_popescu;i guess the world is split in tow sorts of people : those who aspire to be so lucky to live to be our own parodies, and those who aspire to be so lucky to die before that. 561876;1394981228;ThickAsThieves;Yes is already a losing bet in BitBet calc, lol 561877;1394981254;mircea_popescu;lol 561878;1394981292;ThickAsThieves;i aalways thought most people lived as parodies of themselves 561879;1394981302;mircea_popescu;i guess that's also true... 561880;1394981319;mircea_popescu;btw, someone dump the trilema article on reddit will you ? i wanna see them writhe. 561881;1394981328;nubbins`;living as a parody of pop culture is more common 561882;1394981356;ThickAsThieves;it's a feedback loop 561883;1394981365;mircea_popescu;speaking of which "kardashian is a hobbit" sp kicked ass. 561884;1394981365;ThickAsThieves;not sure which is the chicken and which the egg 561885;1394981414;Duffer1;sp? 561886;1394981430;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/2-involved-in-apparent-stabbings-mum-rnc-investigate-1.2574735 561887;1394981431;ozbot;2 involved in apparent stabbings mum, RNC investigate - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News 561888;1394981433;nubbins`;^ my neighbourhood 561889;1394981440;mircea_popescu;south park 561890;1394981445;nubbins`;"police said neither of the men wanted to provide any further detail about the incidents" 561891;1394981485;Duffer1;oh man stick of truth was... wow 561892;1394981506;wao-ender;aspiration to quantum self-parody? 561893;1394981539;mircea_popescu;lol yea 561894;1394981579;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20jxdg/bitcoin_baron_bets_bitcoin_beats_berkshire/ 561895;1394981579;ozbot;Bitcoin Baron Bets Bitcoin Beats Berkshire : Bitcoin 561896;1394981590;ThickAsThieves;:) 561897;1394981605;mircea_popescu;lol ima gonna have to end up buying a barony in the end 561898;1394981635;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves nice pic. did you select it or did it autoselect ? 561899;1394981639;nubbins`;bitcoin bettor buys barony 561900;1394981657;ThickAsThieves;auto-pic 561901;1394981657;mircea_popescu;haha 561902;1394981669;mircea_popescu;holy shit that's an epic title anyway. 561903;1394981673;assbot;Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1735504/plain/) 561904;1394981673;mircea_popescu;!b 10 561905;1394981748;nubbins`;bitcoin behemoth barony brouhaha bashed 561906;1394981818;ThickAsThieves;fwiw i watched the nethash decrease about 200TH over the past hour 561907;1394981830;ThickAsThieves;;;tslb 561908;1394981833;gribble;Time since last block: 4 minutes and 15 seconds 561909;1394981877;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/Thick_AsThieves that you ? 561910;1394981882;Duffer1;trouble at mount asicminer? 561911;1394981905;ThickAsThieves;Not me 561912;1394981922;ThickAsThieves;appears t be London DJs 561913;1394982025;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/445212966003441664 561914;1394982025;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Tremendously tittilating title ... 561915;1394982056;ThickAsThieves;Can you tell I've been reading TheRegister for more than a decade? 561916;1394982087;mircea_popescu;only if i look right at it. 561917;1394982091;Diablo-D3;[10:53:20] <ThickAsThieves> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20jxdg/bitcoin_baron_bets_bitcoin_beats_berkshire/ 561918;1394982097;ThickAsThieves;my favorite is how all their Yahoo headlines have ! after every word 561919;1394982101;Diablo-D3;the only way that could have come out better is 561920;1394982108;mircea_popescu;yeah the ! is pretty good. 561921;1394982112;balulasch_;nice bet 561922;1394982113;Diablo-D3;bitcoin brony baron bets bitcoin beats berkshire 561923;1394982119;mircea_popescu;sort of insanely funny subdued lolz. 561924;1394982129;balulasch_;mircea_popescu did you set up this bet? 561925;1394982142;ThickAsThieves;balulaash, do you read? 561926;1394982147;mircea_popescu;Diablo-D3 but i'm not a brony. perhaps the only bitcoin veteran in this sad situation. 561927;1394982164;Diablo-D3;mircea_popescu: only b word I could think of 561928;1394982172;Diablo-D3;well one that'd increase views 561929;1394982189;balulasch_;cant believe someone bet 1000btc on this 561930;1394982193;mircea_popescu;which reminds me, when i was a kid there was this wrestler dubbed bam bam biggelow 561931;1394982207;ThickAsThieves;i remember him 561932;1394982208;Diablo-D3;that was a looooooooooooong time ago 561933;1394982214;Diablo-D3;that was like, hulk hogan era 561934;1394982218;Diablo-D3;back when people still watched it 561935;1394982224;balulasch_;tatanka 561936;1394982244;ThickAsThieves;Koko B Ware 561937;1394982253;mircea_popescu;yeah was before sena died and they fucked up f1 561938;1394982259;mircea_popescu;kinda stopped watching it that year. 561939;1394982265;Diablo-D3;mircea_popescu: who? 561940;1394982278;mircea_popescu;Ayrton Senna 561941;1394982282;*;Diablo-D3 never watched wrestling as a kid, it was too much like soap operas for men 561942;1394982294;Diablo-D3;only had friends who watched it and they wouldnt shut up about it 561943;1394982307;Diablo-D3;and had fucking tshirts and shit 561944;1394982310;balulasch_;i have friends who still watch it after 15yrs 561945;1394982324;balulasch_;and they take it for real 561946;1394982327;Diablo-D3;well I remember everyone quit watching it, then they had that NWO shit 561947;1394982329;balulasch_;somehow 561948;1394982340;Diablo-D3;then the NWO shit wore out and then they went to college 561949;1394982364;ThickAsThieves;due to them being the same day, i have an odd association with WWF and Catechism as a child 561950;1394982367;Diablo-D3;I mean, I have to give it to wrestling 561951;1394982372;Diablo-D3;they made fun of bush and it stuck 561952;1394982389;Diablo-D3;ThickAsThieves: wtf is catechism? 561953;1394982396;Duffer1;catholic nonsense 561954;1394982396;ThickAsThieves;wrestling was always the hot topic whilst learning about jesus 561955;1394982405;balulasch_;lol 561956;1394982406;ThickAsThieves;it's sunday school 561957;1394982410;Diablo-D3;ahh 561958;1394982420;Diablo-D3;sunday school never made sense to me 561959;1394982425;ThickAsThieves;gotta do it for 8 years before you can leave the scene 561960;1394982437;Diablo-D3;ThickAsThieves: then the catholic church is not a church 561961;1394982442;Diablo-D3;it is a cult and it is against God 561962;1394982449;ThickAsThieves;well that's just how i saw it 561963;1394982450;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves did you get a little white tutu and everything ? or do they only do that for girls 561964;1394982469;ThickAsThieves;yeah have to wear some kind of robe 561965;1394982491;mircea_popescu;nuts. 561966;1394982507;ThickAsThieves;i remember my confirmation vividly because i said to myself over and over "never forget how happy you are that you never have to come here again" 561967;1394982514;mircea_popescu;haha 561968;1394982533;mircea_popescu;the shit people come up with, i swear. 561969;1394982534;ThickAsThieves;oddly it was the first time I ever had hot flashes and almost fainted 561970;1394982535;Duffer1;did you get your little scarf thing too? 561971;1394982553;mircea_popescu;i mean religion is one thing, as a theological pursuit, you know, whatever, let's sit around and discuss the beard of the teapot in the sky 561972;1394982554;ThickAsThieves;the next time was in Amsterdam :) 561973;1394982576;mircea_popescu;but by the time it gets to "you gotta wear this thing" it's gotten real old. 561974;1394982581;Diablo-D3;ThickAsThieves: that sounds closer to an axienty attack 561975;1394982600;Diablo-D3;mircea_popescu: well, its actually why I like Jesus 561976;1394982603;ThickAsThieves;well not much distinction 561977;1394982621;Diablo-D3;he said, and this is why he killed him, "all this shit they make you do that God didn't expressly say do? stop doing it. God didnt tell you to do that." 561978;1394982622;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves was it because the nude chicks behind glass ? 561979;1394982625;ThickAsThieves;either way everything turned white and i almost passed out 561980;1394982630;Diablo-D3;Jews freaked out and killed him for it 561981;1394982635;Diablo-D3;he basically Snowdened the Jews. 561982;1394982638;ThickAsThieves;no cuz i smoked too much hash 561983;1394982675;ThickAsThieves;it's weird, it happened to me both times i was in Amsterdam 561984;1394982680;ThickAsThieves;the flashes 561985;1394982686;mircea_popescu;yeah it can do that. 561986;1394982700;ThickAsThieves;never happened back home though 561987;1394982720;Diablo-D3;pot can do that, yeah 561988;1394982842;ThickAsThieves;"Bitchin' bet, bro! Bitcoin bears best become Bitcoin bulls." 561989;1394982852;mircea_popescu;lol 561990;1394982857;mircea_popescu;you're on a broll, bro! 561991;1394982863;ThickAsThieves;byeah! 561992;1394982874;Duffer1;buy bitcoin. bitches. 561993;1394982874;Diablo-D3;bullshit 561994;1394982888;mircea_popescu;wait that was you ? 561995;1394982895;Diablo-D3;.... you know, why has there never been a financial blog for bears named bullshit? 561996;1394982901;Diablo-D3;seems like a lost oppertunity there 561997;1394982959;mircea_popescu;maybe so 561998;1394983050;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#b7 561999;1394983051;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment 562000;1394983072;mircea_popescu;gotta love these fiat guys. 0.00450000 at a time, srsly, don't give yourselves a hernia folks 562001;1394983088;mircea_popescu;lifting all that moneys up to the BitBet coinslit. 562002;1394983106;ThickAsThieves;http://www.maxkeiser.com/2013/03/breaking-as-cyprus-crisis-increases-panic-bitcoin-hits-new-all-time-high-of-50/ 562003;1394983121;ThickAsThieves;"Analysts now see $100 BTC within easy reach. I am sticking to my bet. I bet Warren Buffett 100,000 BTC that BTC reaches $200,000 before Berkshire Hathaway does." 562004;1394983145;ThickAsThieves;maybe Max needs to put his BitBet where his mouth is 562005;1394983175;mircea_popescu;lol max bets 100k ? bwahaha. 562006;1394983208;mircea_popescu;o wait was 2013 huh. 562007;1394983235;mircea_popescu;that should make nice news for a blogger wanting toi have some fun 562008;1394983247;mircea_popescu;berkshire will probably cross 200k sometime this summer. 562009;1394983260;mircea_popescu;whereas max derper never had nor will ever have 100k btc. 562010;1394983298;ThickAsThieves;Can't have your soul and eat it to, after all 562011;1394983329;Duffer1;what was the market cap of BTC this time last year? i'm sure it was already well beyond 200k.. 562012;1394983329;mircea_popescu;right. 562013;1394983362;mircea_popescu;the funniest shit will be if the us inflation goes bonkers this year, berkshire ends up ~2mn by next march, bitcoins trade ~6k ish 562014;1394983374;mircea_popescu;just you now... narrowly missing the no condition. 562015;1394983467;LordPutin;blue means yes right? 562016;1394983495;ThickAsThieves;yeah, i suspect any violent increase in inflation would result in a more abrupt increase in bitcoin value than BRK-A 562017;1394983527;ThickAsThieves;yes, yes is the aque color 562018;1394983533;ThickAsThieves;aqua* 562019;1394983549;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1400 @ 0.00015 = 0.21 BTC [+] 562020;1394983719;LordPutin;wow i would take the no for sure 562021;1394983802;ThickAsThieves;http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/15/julie-ann-horvath-describes-sexism-and-intimidation-behind-her-github-exit/ 562022;1394983802;ozbot;Julie Ann Horvath Describes Sexism And Intimidation Behind Her GitHub Exit | TechCrunch 562023;1394983811;ThickAsThieves;Well, LordPutin, go for it! 562024;1394983871;TomServo;mircea_popescu: You saying Senna dying fucked F1, or something else? 562025;1394983932;mircea_popescu;TomServo his dying resulted in them trying to fix "problems" which were wholly imaginary. 562026;1394983960;mircea_popescu;the point of life isn't to avoid people getting killed. 562027;1394983960;jurov;Hi all just checking from ski trip 562028;1394983991;ThickAsThieves;ick, skiing 562029;1394984004;jurov;Any blog abut the brk-a bet background? 562030;1394984023;TomServo;mircea_popescu: I don't see the harm in making it a bit safer, the danger is still present 562031;1394984041;jurov;And sorry for all coinbr X.EUR holders, y'all will be sorted out tonight 562032;1394984058;jurov;The exp tends to fall to most inconvenient times 562033;1394984062;ThickAsThieves;wrestling got stupid when it tried to mature 562034;1394984075;ThickAsThieves;it should have always been a superhero cartoon 562035;1394984098;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10099644 BTC [-] 562036;1394984110;mircea_popescu;TomServo hey, what can i tell you. it's not that i didn't like it because they made safer 562037;1394984117;mircea_popescu;it's just... once they made it safer it became whatever. 562038;1394984133;ThickAsThieves;i think they also got distracted by Ultimate Fighting 562039;1394984147;mircea_popescu;"Holy moly - someone bet 1000 xbt. Is that you, Roger?" 562040;1394984152;mircea_popescu;gotta love reddits :D 562041;1394984166;TomServo;mircea_popescu: so if someone dies this year, you back in? :D 562042;1394984176;jurov;ThickAsThieves: i hope that's not related to teh bitbet :P 562043;1394984177;mircea_popescu;lol 562044;1394984186;mircea_popescu;i loved senna too. it 562045;1394984196;mircea_popescu;s just... worst fucking thing you can do in memory of someone who died 562046;1394984200;mircea_popescu;make the thing he died for die with him. 562047;1394984278;ThickAsThieves;the BRK bettor already saying he won't bet cuz it's in bitcoin 562048;1394984290;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20jxdg/bitcoin_baron_bets_bitcoin_beats_berkshire/cg3z8yi 562049;1394984334;mircea_popescu;derp. 562050;1394984351;mircea_popescu;i thought he won't bet because all he had was a 25 bitcent share. 562051;1394984569;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/ < look, it's on the hotlist. 562052;1394984569;ozbot;Bitcoin 562053;1394984586;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.00565901 = 0.1019 BTC [+] {2} 562054;1394984800;ThickAsThieves;doesnt appear as hot for me, maybe cuz i posted it? 562055;1394985562;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.30790962 BTC to 3`901 shares, 59162 satoshi per share 562056;1394986234;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1775 @ 0.0008949 = 1.5884 BTC [+] 562057;1394986660;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [+] 562058;1394986722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.0008949 = 4.743 BTC [+] 562059;1394986884;Apocalyptic;.d 562060;1394986884;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1456 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.4784% in 9d 5h 55m 19s 562061;1394987181;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: hardcore :) 562062;1394987209;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 9 @ 0.08605557 = 0.7745 BTC [-] {3} 562063;1394987575;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.05367992 = 0.8052 BTC [+] {8} 562064;1394988063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00088955 = 3.6916 BTC [-] {2} 562065;1394988430;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3663 @ 0.00014283 = 0.5232 BTC [-] {10} 562066;1394988552;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00088898 = 9.2454 BTC [-] {2} 562067;1394989039;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.0008905 = 14.3371 BTC [+] {2} 562068;1394989808;matthew_boyd;mircea_popescu: did you put a 1000 btc bet that Bitcoin would be worth more than Bershire? 562069;1394989896;LordPutin;thatpoor guy is going to loose 1000 btc :/ 562070;1394989939;pizzaman1337;matthew_boyd: "worth more than Berkshire" doesn't accurately describe the bet, at all: http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ 562071;1394989981;matthew_boyd;You get what I mean, I phased it poorly, I know. 562072;1394990808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4375 @ 0.00089437 = 3.9129 BTC [+] 562073;1394991053;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+] 562074;1394991540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00089409 = 1.6094 BTC [-] 562075;1394992298;datz_;hey 562076;1394992401;datz_;i run an crypto assets company. how can i get involved with assbot? 562077;1394993213;taub;get it listed in an exchange 562078;1394993248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00088834 = 6.4849 BTC [-] 562079;1394993553;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 139 @ 0.00345 = 0.4796 BTC [+] 562080;1394993614;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12738 @ 0.00089022 = 11.3396 BTC [+] {3} 562081;1394993858;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00014999 = 0.15 BTC [+] {3} 562082;1394993919;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00088777 = 8.1231 BTC [-] 562083;1394994726;mircea_popescu;datz_ there's a link on the website, check topic 562084;1394994773;mircea_popescu;holy shit... i go on twitter, "76 new interactions" 562085;1394994777;mircea_popescu;i've been interacted to all hell 562086;1394995331;mircea_popescu;copumpkin mircea h popescu 562087;1394995412;datz_;how do we list on MPEX? 562088;1394995509;thestringpuller;lol 562089;1394995577;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust datz_ 562090;1394995577;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user datz_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=datz_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=datz_ | Rated since: never 562091;1394995584;mircea_popescu;well, some trust would help. who are you ? 562092;1394995602;datz_;i run a company we want listed 562093;1394995612;datz_;that does crypto assets 562094;1394995635;mircea_popescu;that's maybe what are you doing. who are you ? 562095;1394995656;datz_;CEO 562096;1394995684;mircea_popescu;this is going great so far. 562097;1394995764;datz_;i run https://peercover.com and sponsor http://openxrptalk.com 562098;1394995799;datz_;we want to pay homage and do a funding round on MPEX 562099;1394995805;Apocalyptic;you will find much XRP love around here 562100;1394995839;datz_;we do BTC/XRP/DOGE/NXT/ETH/PPC/NCM/AUR you name it 562101;1394995894;datz_;we have 5 additional people we need to hire 562102;1394995984;mircea_popescu;datz_ thats nice, but listing is purely a fiduciary exercise. you have to be trusted, for which you have to be known. so you know, spend a year reading the logs. 562103;1394995984;datz_;we have two exchanges, a betting platform, an insurance platform, an investment platform, a credit and wallet platform, a chat platform - all in one 562104;1394996044;datz_;i am well known 562105;1394996054;copumpkin;yeah, this ain't glbse ya know 562106;1394996059;datz_;just don;t use IRC 562107;1394996060;*;copumpkin runs 562108;1394996081;datz_;i built my own chat platforms - have no need for IRC 562109;1394996097;copumpkin;datz_: IRC isn't about the platform, it's about who you find on it 562110;1394996103;copumpkin;I've built my own chat programs but nobody is on them :P 562111;1394996121;copumpkin;where else can I find someone like mircea_popescu? 562112;1394996126;datz_;the one guy i worked with used IRC stole 2.8 million XRP from me 562113;1394996144;datz_;so i don;t trust people on IRC 562114;1394996145;mircea_popescu;sucks huh. 562115;1394996145;Apocalyptic;how is that relevant ? 562116;1394996159;copumpkin;hey, this guy I spoke to once pickpocketed me 562117;1394996160;datz_;why i don't use IRC or have trust here 562118;1394996163;copumpkin;so I never talk to people in person anymore 562119;1394996184;copumpkin;makes my work life difficult but I survive 562120;1394996196;mircea_popescu;and now for the hardest task of all : to attend to my 173 messages inbox, which so far all consist of "hey you're so cool!" 562121;1394996201;copumpkin;lol 562122;1394996202;mircea_popescu;i hope you're jealous kakobrekla 562123;1394996218;mircea_popescu;im getting carpal over here just downloading all these cookies. 562124;1394996249;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: please allow me to fellate you 562125;1394996251;mircea_popescu;copumpkin i guess it's kinda difficult for outsiders to realise just how deep, powerful and far reaching irc is. 562126;1394996269;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: not sure if you're being sarcastic, but I actually do think it's a pretty great thing 562127;1394996272;copumpkin;the tech is shit 562128;1394996294;mircea_popescu;no, i was being plain. shit or not shit, i'm here after all. 562129;1394996300;copumpkin;yeah 562130;1394996310;mircea_popescu;tcp/ip is shit for that matter. 562131;1394996343;datz_;ok darn so IRC is too cheeky and suspicious to let me list here. don't say i didn't offer you the opportunity. will just have to stick with my own decentralized exchange :) 562132;1394996350;copumpkin;lol 562133;1394996352;chetty;its the modern form of the gentlemans club :P 562134;1394996362;*;copumpkin cries a river 562135;1394996397;Apocalyptic;"decentralized exchange" // I guess this guy has it all 562136;1394996409;copumpkin;he has his own chat platform, his own decentralized exchange 562137;1394996417;copumpkin;never mind that nobody uses either of them, at least he can use them 562138;1394996453;mircea_popescu;lmao cheeky what ? 562139;1394996456;mircea_popescu;opporunity ? 562140;1394996461;mircea_popescu;dudes gotta come off their pipe. 562141;1394996671;kakobrekla;i only got 173 less than you. 562142;1394996739;mircea_popescu;so guise, we need to sit together and come up with a strategy to attract more dudes who don't know who they are but suspect it may be ceo in this thing of ours. 562143;1394996756;mircea_popescu;i believe it's called adoption 562144;1394996761;mircea_popescu;or penetration, or something. 562145;1394996790;copumpkin;mircea_popescu: I know what. I have this LLC I use for money laundering and it's super profitable. If you pay me 10k btc, I'll let you list it on your exchange. 562146;1394996836;mircea_popescu;has it been started 2 weeks ago through lying on a common bank application, all constructed on the basis of some material a website mailed you ? 562147;1394996862;copumpkin;omg you participate in that program too? 562148;1394996863;copumpkin;dammit 562149;1394996869;mircea_popescu;no this is a different one. 562150;1394996987;mircea_popescu;http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:5.153.234.66 562151;1394996988;ozbot;User talk:5.153.234.66 - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft 562152;1394996989;mircea_popescu;sheeit. 562153;1394996997;mircea_popescu;dude come back 562154;1394997011;mircea_popescu;please ipo your wow character. 562155;1394997460;mircea_popescu; Despite its generally female-friendly environment, Horvath claims that she had a really hard time getting used to the culture, the aggressive communication on pull requests and how little the men [she] worked with respected and valued [her] opinion. 562156;1394997488;mircea_popescu;dude how come every single obnoxious bitch out there imagines she's entitled to misrepresent her broken mental processes as "a problem of women everywhere" ? 562157;1394997495;mircea_popescu;women everywhere are emphatically not as stupid as her. 562158;1394997518;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.067963 = 0.6796 BTC [-] {4} 562159;1394997519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00088771 = 7.6787 BTC [-] {2} 562160;1394997526;mircea_popescu;what's more, they're stupid in their own private personal ways, which differ from hers, even should she "feel" it's not fair that should be the case. 562161;1394997579;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6105 = 1.221 BTC [-] {2} 562162;1394997640;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0902 = 0.451 BTC [+] {3} 562163;1394997823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.06813999 = 0.6814 BTC [+] {8} 562164;1394997824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05281003 = 0.1584 BTC [-] {2} 562165;1394997825;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 562166;1394997946;KRS-1;.bait 562167;1394997947;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3f4uf0YZb1qf0gljo1_500.jpg 562168;1394997959;KRS-1;This bait sucks. 562169;1394997987;KRS-1;Unsatisfactory .bait links lately. 562170;1394998046;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/5baf1143cb19e88642fe6415d6df5549/tumblr_msaglaHUnU1raljz5o1_1280.jpg 562171;1394998052;mircea_popescu;you're spoiled rotten is your problem. 562172;1394998193;sheldonthomas;;;gettrust sheldonthomas 562173;1394998194;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user sheldonthomas to user sheldonthomas: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=sheldonthomas&dest=sheldonthomas | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sheldonthomas | Rated since: never 562174;1394998242;mircea_popescu;sheldonthomas trying to decide if you should trust yourself ? 562175;1394998660;sheldonthomas;yeah it's existential 562176;1394998777;mircea_popescu;it works better like this : 562177;1394998785;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust copumpkin 562178;1394998786;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user copumpkin: Level 1: 6, Level 2: 38 via 21 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=copumpkin | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=copumpkin | Rated since: Mon Jun 20 16:53:19 2011 562179;1394998790;KRS-1;.bait 562180;1394998791;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3qn7zfhOg1r7wy42o1_500.jpg 562181;1394998800;copumpkin;w00t 562182;1394998805;KRS-1;whoa a sista 562183;1394998854;sheldonthomas;;;gettrust mircea_popescu 562184;1394998855;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user sheldonthomas to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=sheldonthomas&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011 562185;1394998859;KRS-1;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JhsUFuqbCM 562186;1394998859;ozbot;Velvet Revolver - Fall To Pieces - YouTube 562187;1394998908;mircea_popescu;basically it's a graph walker. as you're unconnected all your results will be 0 0 0 562188;1394998980;sheldonthomas;i hadn't seen that graphing function. very nice. i lost my gpg key i registered on otc from 2011 562189;1394999139;sheldonthomas;;;book 562190;1394999140;gribble;(book <thing>) -- Get a list of open orders for <thing>. Web view: http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php 562191;1394999151;sheldonthomas;;;book btcusd 562192;1394999151;gribble;Error: No orders for this currency present in database. 562193;1394999187;sheldonthomas;;;book BTC 562194;1394999187;gribble;Error: Too many orders to list on IRC. Visit the web order book, http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?eitherthing=BTC to see list of orders for this item. 562195;1394999200;sheldonthomas;;;book USD 562196;1394999200;gribble;Error: Too many orders to list on IRC. Visit the web order book, http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?eitherthing=USD to see list of orders for this item. 562197;1394999324;sheldonthomas;hey mircea where do i register a new keypair 562198;1394999492;ThickAsThieves;i figured it out with zero experience 562199;1394999495;ThickAsThieves;read 562200;1394999502;ThickAsThieves;the wot link has links 562201;1394999528;ThickAsThieves;;;google bitcoin wot 562202;1394999529;gribble;#bitcoin-otc: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/>; #bitcoin-otc web of trust: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php>; #bitcoin-otc web of trust data: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php> 562203;1394999696;thestringpuller;ThickAsThieves is a n00b with da cryptos 562204;1394999942;mircea_popescu;sheldonthomas http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication 562205;1395000206;sheldonthomas;;;gettrust sheldonthomas 562206;1395000207;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask sheldonthomas!~sheldonth@207-38-147-49.c3-0.avec-ubr2.nyr-avec.ny.cable.rcn.com. Trust relationship from user sheldonthomas to user sheldonthomas: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=sheldonthomas&dest=sheldonthomas | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sheldonthomas | Rated since: never 562207;1395000235;sheldonthomas;boy that hostmask sure is revealing 562208;1395000252;sheldonthomas;;;get trust ThickAsThieves 562209;1395000252;gribble;Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, and Topic plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get". 562210;1395000259;sheldonthomas;;;gettrust ThickAsThieves 562211;1395000259;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves. Trust relationship from user sheldonthomas to user ThickAsThieves: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=sheldonthomas&dest=ThickAsThieves | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ThickAsThieves | Rated since: Sat Mar 2 11:19:18 2013 562212;1395000295;mircea_popescu;you can do that in private with gribble too. 562213;1395000324;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.0034895 = 0.15 BTC [+] 562214;1395000568;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00088747 = 14.5989 BTC [-] {3} 562215;1395000593;joecool;;;ident gribble 562216;1395000593;gribble;Nick 'gribble', with hostmask 'gribble!~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble', is not identified. 562217;1395000597;joecool;it's a fake 562218;1395000646;mircea_popescu;faux gribble 562219;1395000873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12037 @ 0.00088553 = 10.6591 BTC [-] {2} 562220;1395001178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00088509 = 4.7795 BTC [-] 562221;1395001666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00088509 = 1.5489 BTC [-] 562222;1395002157;sheldonthomas;Isn't it advantageous to make small bets against large ones on bitbet, since regardless of what you believe the odds are, you are splitting a larger winning pool from the other side 562223;1395002845;Mats_cd03;why dont you make a small wager against every large bet then 562224;1395003062;mircea_popescu;i didnt follow the logic of that. 562225;1395003191;ThickAsThieves;depends on your goal sheldon 562226;1395003215;ThickAsThieves;obviously there is more to gain, but you can still lose 100% 562227;1395003239;ThickAsThieves;however, if you feel the large bet is correct, like in this case of this BRK one 562228;1395003254;ThickAsThieves;you'd want to bet both sides while the weight is in your favor 562229;1395003267;ThickAsThieves;this assumes the No's won't ruin that weight 562230;1395003274;ThickAsThieves;on your hedge bet 562231;1395003310;ThickAsThieves;the expense to hedge being very cheap 562232;1395003317;ThickAsThieves;when a bet is 1000:1 562233;1395003326;Mats_cd03;dont grace that with a response, he cant be so dumb as to share a simplistic thought like that 562234;1395003398;ThickAsThieves;a great phenomenon of this bet, is people thinking like him 562235;1395003413;ThickAsThieves;they see it like a scratcher 562236;1395003437;ThickAsThieves;sure i think btc will win! but dat odds! i'm willing to throw .001 against that! 562237;1395003456;Mats_cd03;its context dependent and if you cant handle high school probability you will be ignored by the universe 562238;1395003579;ThickAsThieves;"Agreed. Looks good. But what I don't get is the huge jump to 41,734.95 in total earned BTC. 562239;1395003579;ThickAsThieves;Is it caused by the acquisition of bit777 etc. or is this a mistake?" 562240;1395003584;ThickAsThieves;"No - arithmetic error in the calculation. Fixed - thanks for point it out!" 562241;1395003588;ThickAsThieves;lol 562242;1395003626;Mats_cd03;and occasionally having your wages garnished by things like the brk-a bet or slot machines because youre too stubborn to understand probabilities 562243;1395003667;ThickAsThieves;after that pumper was here this morning claming CBTC would double in value, they issue a report saying they lost money 562244;1395003723;ThickAsThieves;i'm offended that erik's reddit thread on the bet gets more shine than mine :( 562245;1395003820;Mats_cd03;bad PR in erik's thread for mpoe 562246;1395003981;ThickAsThieves;"Hence why the bet is in bitcoins - zero risk for the better and something only an idiot would participate in. I'm sure buffet's seen this one before but most of the morons on this subreddit have not." 562247;1395003983;ThickAsThieves;zero risk! 562248;1395003984;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16218 @ 0.00088694 = 14.3844 BTC [+] {2} 562249;1395004097;Mats_cd03;i didnt realize until i read the trilema post that the brk-a bet originated from mp 562250;1395004152;Mats_cd03;i feel thats a missed pr opportunity 562251;1395004191;ThickAsThieves;seriously? 562252;1395004197;ThickAsThieves;i assumed immediately 562253;1395004215;ThickAsThieves;he posts about the bet and elaborates, and people still think it's erik... 562254;1395004230;ThickAsThieves;the originating reddit link points to mp's blog 562255;1395004289;Mats_cd03;the link with the most traffic points to bitbet 562256;1395004399;ThickAsThieves;which boggles my mind 562257;1395004414;ThickAsThieves;mine even has a better headline! 562258;1395004449;ThickAsThieves;i guess i need to work on my brand 562259;1395004453;ThickAsThieves;and jesushood 562260;1395004470;Mats_cd03;i'll perforate your hands for a small fee 562261;1395004503;ThickAsThieves;sadly thats not enough these days 562262;1395004528;ThickAsThieves;i'd need to start preaching and using words like community, decentralization, and such 562263;1395004553;ThickAsThieves;sad that in order to be jesus one must sell their soul 562264;1395004697;mircea_popescu;Ansgar John @ErikVoorhees @WarrenBuffett @Mircea_Popescu a year is a much too short amount of time to say much. Bet him 15 years and he might take it. 562265;1395004697;mircea_popescu;Mircea Popescu And yet he publishes yearly statements. 562266;1395004697;mircea_popescu;Ansgar John which state the results 'in any given quarter or year are often meaningless. ' 562267;1395004697;mircea_popescu;Mircea Popescu Yes well, I once asked a married woman to my hotel room. She said no and yet showed up. 562268;1395004714;mircea_popescu;why do people have so much difficulty groiking the supremacy of action over speech is beyond me. 562269;1395004831;Mats_cd03;because you can never win on the internet 562270;1395004856;mircea_popescu;o that. myeah. 562271;1395004923;mircea_popescu;Mar 05 03:06:20 <mircea_popescu>when i do hidden in plain sight, it's hidden. when the usg tries it, it's snowdened. 562272;1395005007;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves lol epic that shit. "o we just arithmeticed 47k earned income. shoulda been in bitcents. oops" 562273;1395005786;Apocalyptic;<tianrui81317> where to find people to make bitcoin related website for me? thanks 562274;1395005796;Apocalyptic;<tianrui81317> I want to build a website absolutely similar to bitbet 562275;1395005804;Apocalyptic;sigh, but seems the PR move worked 562276;1395006919;mircea_popescu;lmao 562277;1395006925;mircea_popescu;clearly, bad pr and missed oportunities. 562278;1395006973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13784 @ 0.00088721 = 12.2293 BTC [+] 562279;1395007015;Hirethestache;Is there a bitbet authy here? 562280;1395007022;mircea_popescu;what's an authy 562281;1395007038;Hirethestache;authorized manager/admin 562282;1395007046;Hirethestache;sorry, hah 562283;1395007046;mircea_popescu;myeah. 562284;1395007070;mircea_popescu;"Buffett, Bitcoin Bear, Believes Berkshire Better Bet Because Bitcoin's Bubble Bound to Burst" 562285;1395007079;mircea_popescu;seems tat created a... beast ? 562286;1395007095;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 279 @ 0.00088959 = 0.2482 BTC [+] 562287;1395007176;mircea_popescu;btw guise : where to find people to make fiat related website for me? thanks. I want to build a website absolutely similar to obamacare. 562288;1395007480;mircea_popescu;Bet started: 8 hours 20 minutes ago. Confirmed bets: 63 ( No: 56 / Yes: 7 ) 562289;1395007488;mircea_popescu;i'm really blown away by the yes bets. 562290;1395007827;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00088721 = 6.3436 BTC [+] 562291;1395008098;nubbins`;any of you folks collect bullion? 562292;1395008125;bitcoinpete;a little 562293;1395008140;nubbins`;i just took a gold buffalo out of the packaging 562294;1395008143;nubbins`;really really poor strike 562295;1395008148;nubbins`;wondering if that's a common thing 562296;1395008192;bitcoinpete;they probably can't stamp them fast enough to keep up with people who haven't heard of BTC 562297;1395008217;nubbins`;heh. 562298;1395008222;mircea_popescu;i hear modern coins are all shit 562299;1395008236;nubbins`;nothing but good from the RCM 562300;1395008239;nubbins`;but this buffalo is fucked 562301;1395008246;nubbins`;seriously, the edge isn't even a uniform thickness 562302;1395008257;bitcoinpete;brutal 562303;1395008260;nubbins`;yeah 562304;1395008266;bitcoinpete;ya my stuff is all rcm 562305;1395008268;nubbins`;and there's a sharp ridge by the fatter part 562306;1395008269;mircea_popescu;maybe keep it as "error" 562307;1395008274;nubbins`;lel 562308;1395008279;nubbins`;ULTRA RARE ERROR BUFFALO 562309;1395008282;nubbins`;that's not a bad idea 562310;1395008298;bitcoinpete;as rare as the buffalo itself 562311;1395008312;mircea_popescu;fun fact : the buffalo is worth like 2k, and yet nominal face value would be like $50 562312;1395008317;mircea_popescu;wonders of inflation 562313;1395008370;nubbins`;yeah, $50 FV 562314;1395008376;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.067501 = 0.135 BTC [-] 562315;1395008383;nubbins`;kind of a shit design too 562316;1395008395;mircea_popescu;isn't it the old nickel indian face ? 562317;1395008406;nubbins`;there's an indian of some sort on it 562318;1395008415;nubbins`;which is, itself, a bit of a lel 562319;1395008456;nubbins`;like putting a jew on the deutsche mark in the 1940s 562320;1395008482;nubbins`;or having an office building here in newfoundland called the BEOTHUK BUILDING 562321;1395008529;mircea_popescu;if i were designing the reichsmarks in 1940 562322;1395008529;ThickAsThieves;<mircea_popescu> i'm really blown away by the yes bets. /// why's that? 562323;1395008541;mircea_popescu;you bet your sweet ass there'd have been a topless jewish girl on the 2 mark piece 562324;1395008571;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i just didn't imagine anyone'd be doing it. i'm not saying it's a bad idea or anything, just, not what i had imagined. 562325;1395008581;bitcoinpete;the higher the denomination, the more lewd 562326;1395008609;bitcoinpete;100 reichsmark would be a full on orgy 562327;1395008613;mircea_popescu;nah, 5 marks could be tractors or w/e they did 562328;1395008636;mircea_popescu;"face of ugly guy with mustache" 562329;1395008740;joecool;nubbins`: never noticed you're newfie, i'll be there for like a month this summer 562330;1395008761;nubbins`;ah, no way 562331;1395008764;nubbins`;business or pleasure? 562332;1395008781;joecool;nubbins`: pleasure, gf's parents own a house there 562333;1395008790;joecool;lettin us use it for a month 562334;1395008793;mircea_popescu;they have houses in canada ?! 562335;1395008801;joecool;mircea_popescu: yeah iknorite? 562336;1395008804;nubbins`;heh 562337;1395008809;nubbins`;whereabouts in nl? 562338;1395008813;bitcoinpete;out of mud, yes 562339;1395008830;bitcoinpete;and teepees are totally houses 562340;1395008843;joecool;nubbins`: i'm not entirely sure, i think it's around bay bull's though 562341;1395008851;nubbins`;ah, my mother is from bay bulls. 562342;1395008884;nubbins`;on the off chance, what's their last name? 562343;1395008898;joecool;kennedy 562344;1395008908;mircea_popescu;twist : nubbins` discovers his gf was doing double time 562345;1395008942;nubbins`;ah, k, probably no relation there :D 562346;1395008942;joecool;prob doesn't help much, pretty common name 562347;1395008951;nubbins`;my brother in law is a kennedy, but he's from habour grace 562348;1395008969;joecool;i've never been there, gf lives on ontario, i live in dirty jerz 562349;1395008971;nubbins`;go on a whale watching tour when you're out there 562350;1395008981;ThickAsThieves;anyone know the best bitcoin wallet for debian? I'm having trouble getting one to install 562351;1395008988;joecool;nubbins`: you ever see the lights? 562352;1395008996;nubbins`;nah, too far south 562353;1395009039;joecool;for normal circumstances, just need to keep an eye on when storms flare up, last year i saw them once all the way down here 562354;1395009080;nubbins`;nod 562355;1395009116;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: maybe the "yes" bettors figure bitbet can keep their coins safer than they can? 562356;1395009139;nubbins`;joecool: if you're into hiking, the east coast trail from bay bulls to witless bay (and back on the railway bed) is a good one 562357;1395009153;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete this has been remarkably true in many cases so far. 562358;1395009158;mircea_popescu;especioally visible on lengthy bets. 562359;1395009165;joecool;nubbins`: will note that 562360;1395009187;nubbins`;a lot of legs of the trail, you need either two cars or you double back. this particular one, you can make a loop of it 562361;1395009208;nubbins`;ah, that bet is the top post on /r/Bitcoin right now 562362;1395009356;nubbins`;i honestly have to lel at facebook sometimes 562363;1395009373;nubbins`;cbc shares a video of a bunch of porpoises dying in the water near a supply ship that ran aground 562364;1395009377;nubbins`;"14 people like this" 562365;1395009390;mircea_popescu;maybe they were likeable corpses. 562366;1395009390;bitcoinpete;haha 562367;1395009412;joecool;should bring back the "become a fan" button 562368;1395009412;nubbins`;"lost my baby today, feels like my heart has been ripped from my chest" 562369;1395009415;nubbins`;3 people like this 562370;1395009518;mircea_popescu;"After my gangrape last night the doctors had some bad news : 562371;1395009524;mircea_popescu;Not just HIV, but also cancer." 562372;1395009534;nubbins`;"i'll never have kids" 562373;1395009538;nubbins`;50 people like this 562374;1395009588;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20k63o/almost_50000_are_being_bet_that_1_btc_will_reach/ 562375;1395009588;ozbot;Almost $50,000 are being bet that 1 BTC will reach $10 000 before December 201 : Bitcoin 562376;1395009600;mircea_popescu;lol reddit discovers bitbet. the first page is like full of bitbet stuff nao 562377;1395009607;nubbins`;december 201 562378;1395009611;joecool;mircea_popescu: makin it rain 562379;1395009664;nubbins`;there's a few "don't give money to bitbet, scam, see this link" posts on everything related to bitbet that goes up 562380;1395009671;nubbins`;without fail 562381;1395009701;mircea_popescu;open market beagles all contain a little shit. 562382;1395009706;mircea_popescu;it's how the open market works. 562383;1395009737;nubbins`;gsdgdfs, do you even irc? 562384;1395009836;mircea_popescu;this net is very slutty. 562385;1395009880;nubbins`;*.net *.slut 562386;1395009924;mircea_popescu;"Soooo.... I used a site in november called betsofbitco.in or something like that and i made a couple bets. Both have passed their date and still are awaiting decisions for 3 months now. I should be winning these bets but there seems to be nothing happening. Anyone know if that site is a scam" 562387;1395009962;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05308993 = 0.3185 BTC [-] {5} 562388;1395010149;nubbins`;imagine 562389;1395010201;mircea_popescu;i learn a lot from reading reddit 562390;1395010239;nubbins`;you're in the minority, then 562391;1395010245;nubbins`;except for the people in /r/til 562392;1395010250;steven-__;https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/445300279030710272 562393;1395010251;ozbot;Twitter / aantonop: Planning a podcast on sexism ... 562394;1395010281;nubbins`;steven-__: golden hookers at conferences? 562395;1395010300;mircea_popescu;lol the golden hooker... that sounds like a decent bitcoiner bar. 562396;1395010301;nubbins`;honestly, i'd be embarassed to be seen at any bitcoin event 562397;1395010309;nubbins`;so many neckbeards and wizards 562398;1395010311;mircea_popescu;there could be an old crack whore chained to a wall in the bathroom, gilt. 562399;1395010322;mircea_popescu;to represent our profound respect and deep use for precious metals. 562400;1395010392;freeroute;won't multisig tx's make stuff like bitbet more 'safer' to use? 562401;1395010472;steven-__;safe is always the first word that comes to mind when i think of 3rd party and bitcoin 562402;1395010505;freeroute;yeah, centralized solutions to a decentralized protocol aren't always a good thing 562403;1395010522;mircea_popescu;freeroute apparently the people who make the calls in bitcoin don't give a shit about particular dead horse tropes. 562404;1395010530;mircea_popescu;neckbeards will have to learn to live with it. 562405;1395010550;freeroute;what particular dead horse tropes are you referring to? 562406;1395010560;mircea_popescu;"multisig tx make things safer" 562407;1395010702;freeroute;I guess it depends on the application, it won't make everything safe 562408;1395010717;mircea_popescu;exactly. 562409;1395010725;mircea_popescu;if you think about it : sites like bitbet require the power to pay winners. 562410;1395010729;mircea_popescu;with losers' btc. 562411;1395010752;mircea_popescu;so what exactly ? if you trust the site to adjudicate, you trust the site to hold the btc. there's nothing meaningful to gain by a separation 562412;1395010759;mircea_popescu;unless the site itself implements it, which it probably does. 562413;1395010802;Mats_cd03;bitbet doesnt need smart contracts for what it does 562414;1395010820;Mats_cd03;is that the killer feature you are seeing in bitbet with multisig tx 562415;1395010896;freeroute;I guess, not sure about the exact implementation, but it would certainly help bitbet's trust not being able to run away with the BTC 562416;1395010940;freeroute;but then again, betting would then be limited to only certain bets 562417;1395010962;Mats_cd03;if you implemented it then heres whats going to happen: 562418;1395010992;Mats_cd03;people say the same things about bitbet operations, but this time they accuse third_party in the same breath 562419;1395010999;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00088607 = 1.7721 BTC [-] 562420;1395011004;cazalla;steven-__: he won't attend conferences unless they have a sexual harassment policy in place as well, the guy is a total SJW 562421;1395011030;mircea_popescu;freeroute you've somehow entirely glossed over what was said. 562422;1395011041;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as bitbet can resolve bets, it can run off with all btc whether you multisig or not. 562423;1395011055;steven-__;what a clown 562424;1395011057;mircea_popescu;the reason bitbet is trusted is for proper reasons, ie, being run by trustworth people. 562425;1395011065;Mats_cd03;and then you've also created a game theoretic scenario where all involved parties can potentially be robbed 562426;1395011070;mircea_popescu;not because of improper nonsense, such as "it couldn't gyp us". 562427;1395011127;mircea_popescu;i understand that there's a very strong desire in the socially-challenged for replacing girlfriends with porn, but that's not how finance works. 562428;1395011132;mircea_popescu;or copulation, for that matter. 562429;1395011150;mircea_popescu;you'll always need people. and that's a good thing, because if you didn't the planet'd be pretty darn barren by now. 562430;1395011304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.06538076 = 1.6999 BTC [-] {6} 562431;1395011313;freeroute;well yeah at this point I can't see bitbet implementing such a thing because of the nature of the bets (the bets would then be binary and somehow be validated for provably true) 562432;1395011323;Mats_cd03;of party (you, her, and third_party), the following set [(third_party,her), (you,her), (you,third_party)] represents who can collude to screw you, third_party, and her 562433;1395011389;freeroute;but I do hope that trust will get out of people's hands into the hands of cryptography. Because generally, people are not a good thing, and never were. 562434;1395011426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.06976999 = 0.4884 BTC [+] {7} 562435;1395011427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05200601 = 0.104 BTC [-] {2} 562436;1395011533;mircea_popescu;freeroute that's nonsense. 562437;1395011561;mircea_popescu;communism had a better shot than that. 562438;1395011666;freeroute;you didn't have applied mathematics you have now in the 'haydays' of communism 562439;1395011670;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.00587047 = 0.1233 BTC [-] {3} 562440;1395011680;mircea_popescu;if I. you see ? 562441;1395011725;mircea_popescu;applied mathematics still has to be applied. and i was there when communism fell, and i saw no mathematics anywhere around me. 562442;1395011729;mircea_popescu;twas just a sea of people. 562443;1395011771;freeroute;the point is, that right now we have a distributed asset class / currency protected by cryptography. It shifts trust from centralized models to a distributed one. That could be seen as step 1. 562444;1395011807;freeroute;luckily, the technology which is getting built on top of it, will bring lots of such decentralizations 562445;1395011813;mircea_popescu;is the wot centralised or distributed in your nomenclature ? 562446;1395011823;freeroute;colored coins is also an example of this 562447;1395011829;nubbins`;colored fuckin coins 562448;1395011836;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you knew that was coming out. 562449;1395011838;nubbins`;what's unicorn cum an example of? 562450;1395011843;nubbins`;rainbows? 562451;1395011933;freeroute;mircea_popescu: difficult. I'd say both, I wouldn't trust it more then I would trust security through obscurity 562452;1395011942;freeroute;*than 562453;1395011980;freeroute;not sure about implementation of colored coins, but the concept is amazing 562454;1395011980;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 562455;1395011983;mircea_popescu;well then i'd propose you have no idea what you're talking about, if you use a nomenclature that fails to even split the world properly. 562456;1395012002;mircea_popescu;were i to decide to split all objects into heavy and light i could fucking tell you whether a breadbox is heavy or light. 562457;1395012055;freeroute;WOT can be as centralized or as decentralized as you make it, the trust could all lead to a central authority (or central authorities) 562458;1395012082;mircea_popescu;the wot dood. 562459;1395012085;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust freeroute 562460;1395012085;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user freeroute: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=freeroute | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=freeroute | Rated since: Tue Apr 2 18:13:09 2013 562461;1395012087;mircea_popescu;that one 562462;1395012108;ThickAsThieves;freeroute, so decentralized protects people from scammers? 562463;1395012109;freeroute;web of trust, yes. Like the GPG WOT? 562464;1395012114;ThickAsThieves;interesting 562465;1395012124;freeroute;no, I didn't say that. 562466;1395012125;ThickAsThieves;tell me how 562467;1395012132;ThickAsThieves;what does it do again? 562468;1395012177;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it protects people from having to bow down to their superiors, which idiots with delusions of independence loathe. 562469;1395012189;ThickAsThieves;does it? 562470;1395012202;mircea_popescu;ultimate autists' fantasy this, "trustless systems". 562471;1395012215;ThickAsThieves;humanless systems 562472;1395012218;mircea_popescu;exactly. 562473;1395012227;freeroute;ThickAsThieves: it makes stock issuance and distribution extremely resilient 562474;1395012242;ThickAsThieves;from what? 562475;1395012247;mircea_popescu;you.can.not.have.stocks.without.trusting.the.issuer. 562476;1395012248;mircea_popescu;jesus god. 562477;1395012264;freeroute;true, I didn't claim otherwise 562478;1395012278;ThickAsThieves;you claimed resilience 562479;1395012280;freeroute;but at least that prevents the exchange screwing everyone over 562480;1395012280;ThickAsThieves;to what? 562481;1395012294;mircea_popescu;freeroute and yet this is a solved problem in fiat too. 562482;1395012299;mircea_popescu;nyse never screwed anyone over. 562483;1395012301;mircea_popescu;how come ? 562484;1395012312;freeroute;closing exchanges, for one. over-zealous regulators is another. 562485;1395012326;ThickAsThieves;you can protect issuers from regulators? 562486;1395012333;mircea_popescu;ah this is too much, i'll bbl. 562487;1395012341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00088607 = 3.3671 BTC [-] 562488;1395012347;nubbins`;WELL GREAT THERE GOES THE CONVERSATION 562489;1395012352;ThickAsThieves;lol 562490;1395012366;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fell1NPfWH0 562491;1395012366;ozbot;Well great, there goes the band Dollhouse - YouTube 562492;1395012372;freeroute;wasn't there a documentary about a CS guy who found out that stock exchanges (like the NYSE) were basically frauding people? 562493;1395012396;ThickAsThieves;you can't remove people from the system 562494;1395012419;freeroute;of course you can't, but you can minimize their impact on it 562495;1395012425;ThickAsThieves;you realize a good exchange actually plays a role 562496;1395012449;freeroute;which is? 562497;1395012461;ThickAsThieves;to provide a number of services 562498;1395012464;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05439423 = 0.1088 BTC [+] 562499;1395012475;ThickAsThieves;to the issuers, to regulators, to traders 562500;1395012495;ThickAsThieves;a decentralized one can't fill all roles 562501;1395012502;ThickAsThieves;it can only automate 562502;1395012543;ThickAsThieves;even then, don't most of these decentralized exchanges lean on less than 10 points of trust? 562503;1395012570;ThickAsThieves;is a decentralized stock exchange not able to be regulated? 562504;1395012573;freeroute;there isn't a decentralized CC exchange yet AFAIK 562505;1395012585;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.03764609 = 0.1506 BTC [+] {3} 562506;1395012586;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.065 = 0.52 BTC [-] 562507;1395012597;ThickAsThieves;would anyone providing ledger services to a stock exchange not be regulatable? 562508;1395012638;freeroute;in the case of CC, wouldn't it itself be a ledger (or the blockchain itself being a ledger) ? 562509;1395012646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06318838 = 1.1374 BTC [-] {2} 562510;1395012655;freeroute;it would be regulated the same way BTC would, I assume 562511;1395012656;ThickAsThieves;(I realize this leads to arguments on bitcoin's susceptibility to regulation) 562512;1395012673;ThickAsThieves;BTC's regulatory future is not finalized yknow 562513;1395012679;ThickAsThieves;miners could come under it 562514;1395012706;ThickAsThieves;and likely will eventually 562515;1395012707;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0630001 = 0.315 BTC [-] {2} 562516;1395012733;freeroute;hmm, I always thought that regulation in regards to BTC could only be applied at the "IRL" fiat-side of things 562517;1395012757;freeroute;so assume miners fall under the regulation, who's to say they won't employ techniques to evade that regulation? 562518;1395012759;ThickAsThieves;the USG for example cares most about two things 562519;1395012763;ThickAsThieves;money laundering 562520;1395012775;ThickAsThieves;and consumer protection 562521;1395012781;ThickAsThieves;in regards to btc at least 562522;1395012782;Mats_cd03;i fucking hate that phrase, 'money laundering' 562523;1395012794;Mats_cd03;i move to have it permanently banned from use 562524;1395012812;freeroute;ThickAsThieves: well, it's nice that they care. 562525;1395012821;ThickAsThieves;regulating that no miner may have more than XX% of the network power is not an absurd notion 562526;1395012829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05438353 = 0.1088 BTC [-] {2} 562527;1395012830;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06700052 = 0.134 BTC [-] {2} 562528;1395012831;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 562529;1395012858;freeroute;regulating that is also nice. But how would that be applied? 562530;1395012870;ThickAsThieves;not applied, enforced 562531;1395012871;nubbins`;it wouldn't 562532;1395012873;Mats_cd03;you could not enforce that 562533;1395012877;ThickAsThieves;well 562534;1395012885;Mats_cd03;without a centralization authority which the protocol lacks for this purpose 562535;1395012885;ThickAsThieves;someone is caught doing it, for example 562536;1395012887;nubbins`;trivial to circumvent 562537;1395012891;ThickAsThieves;they are hauled in 562538;1395012905;ThickAsThieves;well many laws are trivial to circumvent 562539;1395012911;ThickAsThieves;doesnt stop them from existing 562540;1395012913;nubbins`;too true 562541;1395012934;nubbins`;"no miner may mine more than XX TH/s from the same IP" 562542;1395012946;freeroute;enforced was the word I was looking for indeed 562543;1395012948;ThickAsThieves;maybe ASICMINER grunt whistleblows in 2017 562544;1395012956;ThickAsThieves;doesnt have to be easy to catch someone 562545;1395012995;ThickAsThieves;it would just be such that someone breaking a law, would now know so 562546;1395013015;ThickAsThieves;of course people here would disagree this is even possible 562547;1395013019;ThickAsThieves;regulating bitcoin 562548;1395013027;Mats_cd03;i suppose a combined legal and technical approach would be a best-effort case for enforcement 562549;1395013030;ThickAsThieves;i'm on the fence 562550;1395013038;ThickAsThieves;i think it can be for the most part 562551;1395013058;freeroute;even so, they parties who disagree can easily operate in area's which do not have those regulations 562552;1395013062;freeroute;*the parties 562553;1395013074;ThickAsThieves;well same for all laws right? 562554;1395013075;Mats_cd03;i would not bet any of my wealth on a best-effort approach 562555;1395013082;ThickAsThieves;you wanna sell pot, move to Amesterdam 562556;1395013083;ThickAsThieves;etc 562557;1395013094;ThickAsThieves;Amsterdam* 562558;1395013119;ThickAsThieves;people keep jumping to these yeah but it's international arguments 562559;1395013124;freeroute;not really a great example since selling pot commercially is still heavily regulated and still not legal, but I do see where you're getting at 562560;1395013125;ThickAsThieves;it doesnt matter 562561;1395013141;ThickAsThieves;all the world is international, yet every country has different laws 562562;1395013149;ThickAsThieves;yet people live in every country 562563;1395013169;ThickAsThieves;the world turns 562564;1395013188;freeroute;what Bitcoin (for the most part) enables, is full "in the cloud" operation wherever you geographically might be positioned. As long as you're connected, you can do most of the stuff with BTC. 562565;1395013229;ThickAsThieves;so why the effort to remove trust from the equation? 562566;1395013232;ThickAsThieves;you can't 562567;1395013249;Mats_cd03;youve blown my mind, i never realized that about bitcoin /s 562568;1395013259;ThickAsThieves;hell, 99.9% of the people never even vetted the code 562569;1395013282;ThickAsThieves;for all we know it's majorly flawed and the people that know choose to just bank off it 562570;1395013303;ThickAsThieves;how's that for trust? 562571;1395013371;ThickAsThieves;are you gonna go through the CC code? 562572;1395013380;freeroute;putting trust from the hands of people into mathematics is a way of making sure that you can't be screwed by people, which has happened numerous times already. 562573;1395013383;ThickAsThieves;do you know how decentralized it really is? 562574;1395013400;ThickAsThieves;same for Mastercoin etc 562575;1395013402;freeroute;well you can't abolish trust entirely, that would be unreal 562576;1395013457;ThickAsThieves;what if ghash.io manages 80% of the CC ledger? 562577;1395013471;ThickAsThieves;what if they wait 9mos til everyone gets comfortable and fuck everyone over? 562578;1395013477;freeroute;CC doesn't have a ledger AFAIK, it uses BTC ledger 562579;1395013491;ThickAsThieves;something manages the metadata no? 562580;1395013511;freeroute;the metadata is inside of the BTC tx'es, right? 562581;1395013523;ThickAsThieves;what parses it? 562582;1395013537;ThickAsThieves;what maintains updated listings? 562583;1395013539;freeroute;the client, same way the BTC client parses the blockchain 562584;1395013551;freeroute;(I assume) 562585;1395013557;ThickAsThieves;i may be mixing OT and MasterCoin in here 562586;1395013592;freeroute;MC is similar to CC but OT is a communication system which can be used on top of MC / CC AFAIK 562587;1395013592;ThickAsThieves;as i understood decentralized systems, they utilize new ledgers, maintained by servers 562588;1395013609;freeroute;ah that sounds like OT's system 562589;1395013632;ThickAsThieves;in the end though youre still quite a slave to the issuer 562590;1395013655;ThickAsThieves;an exchange has an incentive to vet it's issuers 562591;1395013666;ThickAsThieves;its* 562592;1395013674;freeroute;well no one stops a service vetting issuers 562593;1395013684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05396624 = 0.1079 BTC [+] {2} 562594;1395013691;ThickAsThieves;well you want to rmeove the exchange right? 562595;1395013707;freeroute;so? 562596;1395013717;ThickAsThieves;compare mpex and cryptostocks 562597;1395013723;ThickAsThieves;this is how it unfolds 562598;1395013756;ThickAsThieves;why wouldnt a reputable issuer use a reputable exchange? 562599;1395013794;freeroute;nothing, but then the issuer would then be at the mercy of the exchange 562600;1395013801;ThickAsThieves;the CC system will be riddled with scams and issuers no one else would have 562601;1395013805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 309 @ 0.00088607 = 0.2738 BTC [-] 562602;1395013806;freeroute;true 562603;1395013809;nubbins`;^ 562604;1395013822;freeroute;just like Bitcoin was/is 562605;1395013832;nubbins`;^ 562606;1395013840;mircea_popescu;... 562607;1395013843;freeroute;but that's the nature of decentralized and unregulated systems 562608;1395013853;ThickAsThieves;that you cant trust them? 562609;1395013856;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is about to rip buffett a new one. what are you talking about. 562610;1395013866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29691 @ 0.00088254 = 26.2035 BTC [-] {4} 562611;1395013891;ThickAsThieves;bitcoin is not comparable to stock issuance 562612;1395013898;freeroute;ThickAsThieves: that there is no middleman in between that can screw things up 562613;1395013899;mircea_popescu;<freeroute> there isn't a decentralized CC exchange yet AFAIK << there has been, for years. ot, open transactions. 562614;1395013905;ThickAsThieves;bitcoin makes no claims 562615;1395013910;ThickAsThieves;had no obligations 562616;1395013918;ThickAsThieves;it is what it is 562617;1395013931;freeroute;indeed 562618;1395013933;cadmus2;MtGox is mentioned on the FAQ page - came in here to let someone update it 562619;1395013948;mircea_popescu;cadmus2 faq page of what. 562620;1395013953;cadmus2;http://bitbet.us/faq/ 562621;1395013956;ozbot;FAQ BitBet 562622;1395013979;freeroute;mircea_popescu: hmm, I was under the impression that OT was still being developed 562623;1395013997;mircea_popescu;anyway, freeroute, you'll need to do some reading. like http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/ and http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/ 562624;1395014041;mircea_popescu;cadmus2 a. well so it'll be a nice bit of memorabilia, by 2025 people will be all "hmm what's a mtgox" 562625;1395014053;mircea_popescu;then granpa mp can tell the chitlins all about this magic the gathering thing 562626;1395014199;cadmus2;true 562627;1395014199;freeroute;mircea_popescu: cool, I'll give them a read. 562628;1395014232;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06907202 = 0.1381 BTC [+] 562629;1395014252;mircea_popescu;cool. 562630;1395014354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8337 @ 0.00088008 = 7.3372 BTC [-] 562631;1395014412;mircea_popescu;"It would be so awesome, if the owner of this homepage just takes all the coins. :D it's almost 2 000 000 fucking dollars!!!!" 562632;1395014486;benderp;california ain't so bad after all, guys! 562633;1395014501;benderp;the women are retarded 562634;1395014503;benderp;the men are retarded 562635;1395014556;benderp;50% of the land is covered with asphalt, and 40% with retarded californian lean-to's in the style of something elsewhere that actually matters 562636;1395014565;khersonus;taking coins is typical stupid bitcoin user logic. It shows with the number of scams that have happened. 562637;1395014582;benderp;but the best part is how the cell network can't sustain a connection to IRC via anything but JS. 562638;1395014584;benderp;FML. 562639;1395014749;mircea_popescu;benderp well look on the bright side : maybe it falls into the ocean. 562640;1395014789;mircea_popescu;khersonus what were you trying to say ? 562641;1395014853;khersonus;mircea_popescu: that there have been a large number of scams in bitcoin as a result of the "owner takes all the coins" thinking 562642;1395014867;khersonus;mircea_popescu: btw, been reading through your blog, good stuff (and some... weird stuff) 562643;1395014903;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06907214 = 0.1381 BTC [+] 562644;1395015041;mircea_popescu;the problem here would be that bitcoin is a two tier society. 562645;1395015058;mircea_popescu;while the plebs like to claim that they're "the community", this was never either true or seriously considered by anyone. 562646;1395015078;mircea_popescu;so... don't tell me about how the people that didn't listen to mpoe-pr and went and lost their btc on glbse somehow "Suffered" 562647;1395015101;mircea_popescu;they suffered the just reward for their idiocy, which has nothing to do with bitcoin in any sense, and even less with exchanges, or with owners 562648;1395015146;Mats_cd03;benderp: try irccloud? 562649;1395015294;asciilifeform;damn it, i leave for just one day to hang out with humans in person, and miss all this good shit. 562650;1395015346;mircea_popescu;lol 562651;1395015354;mircea_popescu;decentralize! 562652;1395015357;khersonus;mircea_popescu: why not run your options system with your own pricing index? it seemed to me that your two complaints about bitcoincharts were that an exchange pushed doge data, and they didn't remove mtgox. Couldn't you do better yourself? 562653;1395015377;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves o hey, the bet is officially a net positive nao. Yes pays: 0.99990488 562654;1395015391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00088721 = 5.5007 BTC [+] 562655;1395015418;mircea_popescu;khersonus i could, practically. i couldn't, theoretically, becuase THAT would be undue concentration, ie the bad sort of centralisation. 562656;1395015428;asciilifeform;from the loltron: 562657;1395015430;asciilifeform;http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraines-gold-reserves-secretely-flown-out-and-confiscated-by-the-new-york-federal-reserve/5373446 562658;1395015447;Duffer1;that would be a pretty massive conflict of interest khers 562659;1395015449;mircea_popescu;lol poor guys. 562660;1395015473;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 imagine if i also got to select the secret valid nonce for each block, too. 562661;1395015512;Duffer1;would you buy romania? 562662;1395015559;mircea_popescu;nah 562663;1395015559;khersonus;Duffer1: maybe that's true. But maybe this big bet on berkshire is also a conflict of interests? he owns most of bitbet anyway, I thought 562664;1395015593;mircea_popescu;khersonus so what is the ownership of bitbet going to do, change the brk-a market ? 562665;1395015598;Duffer1;that's different though, the terms are clear to everyone and unalterable 562666;1395015673;ThickAsThieves;well technically the terms are alterable 562667;1395015676;benderp;oh teh ironies 562668;1395015681;ThickAsThieves;if they want to lose trust 562669;1395015710;Duffer1;i suppose so, you are right 562670;1395015732;khersonus;a proper index could publish all of its calculations. It could even be a collection of scripts that everyone could run to verify the data on their own. mircea could just publish the verified results. 562671;1395015737;benderp;asciilifeform: wtf? forgive my naive but what are the actual odds of that happening?! 562672;1395015742;ThickAsThieves;to play devil's advocate, why wouldn't MPEx use a decentralized system to manage its issuances, assuming things like orderbook delays were not a problem? 562673;1395015764;asciilifeform;anyone else's port 80 honeypots full of 'zologize' ? 562674;1395015764;mircea_popescu;khersonus but there's some decisions to be made, and they're toxic for me. 562675;1395015770;asciilifeform;some interesting rumour on the matter: 562676;1395015771;mircea_popescu;someone else'd have to make them, and make them well. 562677;1395015771;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/03/nsa-zologize.htm 562678;1395015788;khersonus;mircea_popescu: for example? 562679;1395015797;khersonus;(dropping mtgox?) 562680;1395015810;mircea_popescu;for instance. 562681;1395015818;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00349948 = 0.3394 BTC [+] {3} 562682;1395015819;mircea_popescu;or rejecting bitfinex, which inexplicably everyone includes atm 562683;1395015879;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform doesn't seem too convincing to me. 562684;1395015950;khersonus;it still doesn't seem like it would be that difficult of a problem. I'm surprised you haven't come up with a solution, given the potential profit it could have and has had for mpex 562685;1395015972;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a turd that port scans wantonly would appear to be uncommonly poor workmanship even for usg. 562686;1395015973;asciilifeform;but you never know. 562687;1395015985;mircea_popescu;axa.php ? cmon. 562688;1395016013;mircea_popescu;khersonus didja read teh mpoe report ? 562689;1395016016;ThickAsThieves;didnt google cars go around pretty much port scanning entire nations? 562690;1395016022;khersonus;I'll read it again 562691;1395016037;ThickAsThieves;(wifi) 562692;1395016038;BingoBoingo;http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Accused+court+bizarre+stabbing+Russian+diplomat/9622192/story.html 562693;1395016039;ozbot;Man accused of stabbing Russian diplomat is DND employee, reservist 562694;1395016048;benkay;much better. 562695;1395016059;bounce;http://btcfaucet.com/logs/bitscotty/ 562696;1395016059;ozbot;Index of /logs/bitscotty 562697;1395016062;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00349951 = 0.1225 BTC [+] 562698;1395016169;mircea_popescu;bounce lol! what's that ? 562699;1395016200;ThickAsThieves;"Can someone explain to me why Berkshire stock has the value that it has? It has never paid a dividend. What benefit is there in owning such a stock, other than it increasing in value?" 562700;1395016250;mircea_popescu;lol word. 562701;1395016253;mircea_popescu;is this from twitter ? 562702;1395016279;Dimsler;lol 562703;1395016279;khersonus;"if you look at the whole pie Id be muchly surprised if a tenth of all Bitcoin trade ever sees a so-called exchange website" < if this is really true, I can see your point. I've just never witnessed that much otc trading, perhaps. 562704;1395016282;Dimsler;what do you mean? 562705;1395016287;benkay;all complaints about california aside, the company is fantastic: http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=3a7642c 562706;1395016290;Dimsler;how is that any different then facebook? 562707;1395016307;benkay;(amazing company) 562708;1395016307;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 562709;1395016361;benkay;thanks, oz 562710;1395016548;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20jxdg/bitcoin_baron_bets_bitcoin_beats_berkshire/cg40y9y 562711;1395016549;ozbot;-altoid- comments on Bitcoin Baron Bets Bitcoin Beats Berkshire 562712;1395016554;mircea_popescu;that's some pretty epic shit right there. 562713;1395016572;dub;eww that thing looks like lorde 562714;1395016598;mircea_popescu;"damn these reality check things getting in the way of my delusional substitute for a through process" 562715;1395016650;dub;asciilifeform: is there something deeper than 'nsa tests botnet I think'? 562716;1395016701;asciilifeform;dub: other than the factoid that they employ folks to steal poorly-secured traditional chumpnets, this is uninteresting. 562717;1395016733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00088566 = 5.9782 BTC [-] 562718;1395016757;dub;right 562719;1395016772;mircea_popescu;the "it's nsa" link isn't particularly strong. 562720;1395016784;asciilifeform;right 562721;1395016807;mircea_popescu;'random botnet-ish requests show vague link to nsa in one blogger's estimation' is what i'd call it 562722;1395016816;mircea_popescu;which... jesus, you should see what's in my logs. 562723;1395016855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0034994 = 0.28 BTC [-] {3} 562724;1395016869;mircea_popescu;actually, here : 562725;1395016869;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/o-hai-i-was-justing-doing-a-penetration-test-of-your-site/ 562726;1395016869;ozbot;O hai. I was justing doing a penetration test of your site. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 562727;1395016916;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00349953 = 0.3465 BTC [+] {2} 562728;1395016977;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00349949 = 0.175 BTC [-] 562729;1395016989;Duffer1;so Obama called Putin to tell him the U.S. would never recognize the Crimea referendum. I can't imagine Putins response was anything other than "HAHAHHHAAHAHA" 562730;1395017066;mircea_popescu;or perhaps something along the lines of "Yes well, I once asked a married woman to my hotel room. She said no and yet showed up." 562731;1395017346;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://t.co/DTU0Y8BKhJ 562732;1395017359;asciilifeform;lol! 562733;1395017409;asciilifeform;fellow's a pro clown, for those who didn't know. 562734;1395017428;mircea_popescu;yeah but this time he hit on comedy. 562735;1395017435;asciilifeform;although some of his proposals are popular in russia. e.g., re-conquest of the baltics to use as nuke waste storage. 562736;1395017470;mircea_popescu;http://www.cnbc.com/id/101488710 562737;1395017471;ozbot;Markets hang in the balance ahead of Fed decision 562738;1395017526;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5141 @ 0.00088721 = 4.5611 BTC [+] 562739;1395018868;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 86 @ 0.00514875 = 0.4428 BTC [-] {7} 562740;1395018992;Hirethestache;Is it possible to send a wager to Bit et from Coinbase? 562741;1395019007;Hirethestache;BitBet* 562742;1395019048;mircea_popescu;yes 562743;1395019054;mircea_popescu;just make sure you control the outbound address 562744;1395019089;mircea_popescu;(it asks you where should payment be sent if you win. make sure you own that address) 562745;1395019091;Duffer1;do you have confidence that coinbase will still be around by the time the bet resolves though.. 562746;1395019106;Hirethestache;I've searched for a simple guide, but there are not many resources on the specific resolve 562747;1395019139;benkay;Duffer1: coinbase wouldn't have to be around by bet resolution, though. 562748;1395019149;benkay;Hirethestache: do you have your own bitcoin wallet? 562749;1395019157;Hirethestache;I do, more or less. I have my cold storage, but I use my small amount on CB for small transactions. 562750;1395019168;Duffer1;depends if he downloads the private keys or not 562751;1395019177;benkay;you might consider developing a workflow that includes owning your own bitcoins. 562752;1395019189;benkay;it's onerous, but most worthwhile things are. 562753;1395019269;Hirethestache;I'm mobile, and there are not any iOS apps for BTC wallets that I know about. I have my android with a small wallet, but it's not on me ATM. 562754;1395019303;benkay;do you not have a computer? 562755;1395019333;Hirethestache;I'm traveling, so no unfortunately not. 562756;1395019359;benkay;tough. 562757;1395019369;Hirethestache;Just my iPhone and nexus tablet, but I won't have access to the nexus for 48hours 562758;1395019386;benkay;you know the Nexus is trivially broken wide open and all storage read out, right? 562759;1395019411;benkay;(true of all phone-type-combudder things) 562760;1395019426;Hirethestache;Do you have any documentation on that? I need to look into that, definitely 562761;1395019476;benkay;no documentation necessary. it's not your hardware. it doesn't obey your commands. don't put your coins on it. 562762;1395019495;bitcoinpete;Partially inspired by freeroute: 562763;1395019496;benkay;spend 200 bucks on a linux netbook. 562764;1395019500;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/irc-yeshiva/ 562765;1395019501;ozbot;IRC Yeshiva | When Bitcoin Met Pete 562766;1395019573;Hirethestache;Oh yeah, I don't have any coins directly on it. I have a small Coinbase account, a small amount on my nexus wallet, and everything else on a paper wallet in a safe 562767;1395019587;mircea_popescu;im with benkay. phones make poor wallets. 562768;1395019597;bitcoinpete;Also partially inspired by Rabbi bin Popescu's "a bug in the implementation of physicality" line. 562769;1395019602;mircea_popescu;having a few cents in there for convenience is fine, but don't go overboard 562770;1395019615;benkay;convenience? this is bitcoin!!!11 562771;1395019627;benkay;plan ahead, etc. 562772;1395019642;Hirethestache;I agree. I have about 3 on CB and two on my nexus 562773;1395019653;mircea_popescu;benkay as an experiment i put a privkey in a window at some point in 2012. 562774;1395019658;mircea_popescu;it was unspent after a week 562775;1395019660;Hirethestache;Another 12 on cold 562776;1395019677;benkay;you keep 2/21M of the monetary base on your phone?! 562777;1395019693;benkay;mircea_popescu: still unspent? 562778;1395019723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.0008893 = 12.0056 BTC [+] {2} 562779;1395019723;test123;hello 562780;1395019729;mircea_popescu;benkay well that was a while ago. 562781;1395019757;Hirethestache;It's on the nexus which is wifi only, and I only go online when I need to use it for BTC. Two step aught still 562782;1395019765;mircea_popescu;hi test123 562783;1395019775;benkay;mircea_popescu: ... 562784;1395019785;test123;hi 562785;1395019788;benkay;mircea_popescu: i guess 2012's a while ago in buttyears 562786;1395019788;mircea_popescu;i eventually took it out, what. 562787;1395019809;test123;this is bitbet's forum? 562788;1395019823;benkay;test123: lotsa stuff happens here. some bitbet stuff as well. 562789;1395019829;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#c2632 < lmao 562790;1395019832;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment 562791;1395019864;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete some history books are filled with pompoms 562792;1395019883;mircea_popescu;like "An Illustrated History of Pompoms, and the BonBons that Whore Them" 562793;1395019888;mircea_popescu;-h 562794;1395019891;Hirethestache;But back to my original question, is there an easy way to send to bitbet from Coinbase? I wanna get in on this bet ASAP, but I only have my iPhone, ergo only have access to the Coinbase wallet 562795;1395019911;mircea_popescu;Hirethestache you can send from anywhere. just make sure you control the outbound address you specify. 562796;1395019914;mircea_popescu;that's why that's there. 562797;1395019948;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu lmao I'll have to look for those next time I'm at the public library 562798;1395020009;test123;for that berkshire bet, why are people betting now- why not wait until just before betting closes, when bets aren't locked in? 562799;1395020040;mircea_popescu;because of the weight. 562800;1395020047;Hirethestache;Might have to email myself from my Coinbase and take the address out of the ema. That's the only workaround I can think of 562801;1395020086;mircea_popescu;Hirethestache if you say you have a cold wallet, you can just use that as a bitbet outbound address 562802;1395020086;benkay;Hirethestache: there are also brainwallets you could use 562803;1395020092;mircea_popescu;if you win it'll just be added to your cold wallet. 562804;1395020093;benkay;^^ or that 562805;1395020113;mircea_popescu;test123 look at this one http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/ 562806;1395020132;mircea_popescu;compare 26-11-13 11:10Yes94`37011.0000000013kEx13.96254379 with 17-01-14 13:22Yes14`48210.0000000014NeT10.32864719 562807;1395020193;Hirethestache;Mircea, I don't have the cold storage addresses stored digitally anywhere 562808;1395020205;mircea_popescu;well that's maybe not so smart. 562809;1395020212;mircea_popescu;don't you ever want to check it ? 562810;1395020247;Hirethestache;Haven't had to, only had it for about two weeks 562811;1395020263;benkay;you may consider a dicelist and a deterministic wallet, Hirethestache. 562812;1395020289;benkay;;;google dicelist 562813;1395020290;gribble;Diceware Passphrase Home: <http://www.diceware.com/>; Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/romanian-dicelist>; Diceware - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diceware> 562814;1395020291;mircea_popescu;ah, the two weeks, bitcoin's only true measure of time. 562815;1395020299;mircea_popescu;holy shit i rank for dicelist ?! 562816;1395020304;benkay;apparently. 562817;1395020312;mircea_popescu;such seo. 562818;1395020326;Hirethestache;My bitcoin lingo is now officially dead in the water. I really need to do more research. You think you know so much until you realize you don't. 562819;1395020329;benkay;honestly it's probably tuning itself for grbble queries, mircea_popescu. 562820;1395020337;mircea_popescu;it must be. 562821;1395020348;mircea_popescu;but wait 562822;1395020357;mircea_popescu;no, it can't. cause it doesn't know what gribble clicks. 562823;1395020378;benkay;oh come on they can kinda infer that, right? 562824;1395020381;mircea_popescu;how ? 562825;1395020396;mircea_popescu;this is the perfect anon model, gribble googling. how would google ever figure it out ? 562826;1395020401;benkay;hm 562827;1395020416;benkay;perhaps clustering against gribble searches then, which weights trilema? 562828;1395020427;Duffer1;@bitcoinpete https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg5737954#msg5737954 562829;1395020430;benkay;mad trilema-y searches from gribble. 562830;1395020432;mircea_popescu;i dunno man. 562831;1395020454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2249 @ 0.0008887 = 1.9987 BTC [-] 562832;1395020475;benkay;Hirethestache: for how long are you traveling? 562833;1395020494;Hirethestache;8 more days 562834;1395020505;benkay;ah, what's the rush. 562835;1395020520;Hirethestache;Bet ends in 7 haha 562836;1395020529;mircea_popescu;lol 562837;1395020537;benkay;f'real? 562838;1395020546;test123;i see thanks- greater weight equals greater pay out at end if on winning side 562839;1395020552;mircea_popescu;test123 indeed. 562840;1395020561;bitcoinpete;Duffer1: beauty 562841;1395020564;mircea_popescu;it's all explained in the faw. 562842;1395020567;mircea_popescu;faq* 562843;1395020570;bitcoinpete;I'll bbl 562844;1395020573;Hirethestache;^^hence the reason I'm so adamant about betting ASAP hah 562845;1395020573;Duffer1;^.^ 562846;1395020580;benkay;Hirethestache: 2015? 562847;1395020606;mircea_popescu;Hirethestache wait, you think the berkshire bet ends in a week or is this some other bet you're talking asbout 562848;1395020607;Hirethestache;It's not the warren buffet bet 562849;1395020613;benkay;o 562850;1395020637;benkay;hey jsbrekla text is not highlightable on bitbet homepage 562851;1395020644;mircea_popescu;anyway, if you're travelling with no safe addresses and no way to make them you're sol. 562852;1395020645;Hirethestache;Although I do plan on betting on BRK 562853;1395020656;mircea_popescu;so for all the kids keeping score at home : always carry some safe addresses when travelling. 562854;1395020660;mircea_popescu;even if you can't spend out of them 562855;1395020678;benkay;one never knows when bitcoins are going to shower from the heavens 562856;1395020699;benkay;Hirethestache: if your bet closes in 7 days just use the CB address. they won't likely go out of business with so little fanfare. 562857;1395020724;mircea_popescu;nah 562858;1395020732;mircea_popescu;it'll just get comingled won't it ? 562859;1395020741;Hirethestache;Yeah, you guys are schooling me on my knowledge, or lack thereof, of proper BTC safety 562860;1395020749;benkay;welcome to -assets. 562861;1395020768;benkay;mircea_popescu Hirethestache doesn't CB allocate users a specific receipt address? 562862;1395020781;mircea_popescu;i have no idea i never used the thing 562863;1395020781;benkay;mircea_popescu Hirethestache i'm suggesting using the user-specific inbound address. 562864;1395020789;Duffer1;they don't make it obvious, but i believe they do, let me check 562865;1395020790;Hirethestache;I need to go back to BTC school 562866;1395020798;benkay;this is BTC school Hirethestache 562867;1395020805;mircea_popescu;what;s a stache anyway 562868;1395020812;benkay;bitcoinpete.com/2014/irc-yeshiva/ Hirethestache 562869;1395020817;benkay;moustache 562870;1395020842;mircea_popescu;too obvious 562871;1395020876;mircea_popescu;"Being quiet and studious is broadly unknown in a western culture that prizes views, likes and the inane extraversion required to generate them." no see, that's attacking people's self esteem. 562872;1395021027;Duffer1;Hirethestache it appears coinbase keeps track of all addresses generated by your transactions (they appear to use a new address for every deposit/withdrawl) you can view them under Account Settings - Bitcoin Addresses 562873;1395021064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00088958 = 13.1658 BTC [+] 562874;1395021110;Duffer1;hirethestache money sent to any of those addresses in that list will probably be credited to your CB account, but i'm not 100% on that, by trying to dumb it down for the average person they make it way more complicated... 562875;1395021180;mircea_popescu;i wonder if this is practical for them. 562876;1395021194;mircea_popescu;if they have 1k customers that make 1k transactions each that's 1mn addresses they have to keep track of 562877;1395021200;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem toscale too well. 562878;1395021211;benkay;it's a rails stack, who said anything about scaling? 562879;1395021221;mircea_popescu;lord have mercy. 562880;1395021227;benkay;none. 562881;1395021275;benkay;they're in a tough spot. they're guaranteeing cold storage for customer funds, but also that they can send funds on demand. this requires they commingle, which is anathema. 562882;1395021306;mircea_popescu;i don't see that it's such anathema. 562883;1395021313;mircea_popescu;put eggs in basked, watch basket. 562884;1395021338;benkay;maybe allowing ones funds to be so commingled is anathema. 562885;1395021342;benkay;maybe trusting others with ones coins. 562886;1395021366;benkay;specifically, silly-con valley bank. 562887;1395021379;benkay;that is *definitely* anathema. 562888;1395021410;mircea_popescu;ya well, i don't personally trust them so i have no use for them on these lines, but in principle what can you do. 562889;1395021495;benkay;ruby on rails = bitcoin marble pillars 562890;1395021523;mircea_popescu;seems there's a progression at work, php -> ruby -> 562891;1395021531;mircea_popescu;sorta like the people involved, 22 -> 25 -> 562892;1395021545;benkay;oh man php 562893;1395021552;benkay;subject of php 562894;1395021575;benkay;client has app and backend they brought my firm on to shephard into app store and reverse-engineer an SDK out of. 562895;1395021587;benkay;backend in php 'cause what else 562896;1395021602;benkay;when it comes time to compare hashes, guess what happens. 562897;1395021625;mircea_popescu;hahaha php-collision ? 562898;1395021627;Duffer1;magic? 562899;1395021634;benkay;(NO SERIOUSLY ARE THESE STRINGS EQUAL) 562900;1395021649;mircea_popescu;benkay easy way to solve problem : hash precompare. 562901;1395021664;mircea_popescu;if (md5(a) = md5(b)) 562902;1395021706;benkay;man 562903;1395021709;mircea_popescu;nono 562904;1395021711;mircea_popescu;i tell you :D 562905;1395021713;hirethestache;got my hands on my nexus. 562906;1395021720;benkay;i don't even php, so i don't know how hard you're trolling right now 562907;1395021726;mircea_popescu;lol 562908;1395021749;benkay;wouldn't be surprised if that call was something along the lines of "are these both thingers in memory? great! return true." 562909;1395021763;mircea_popescu;i don't know how hard im trolling either, tbh, but i figure it should be somewhere between my penis and a brick wall. 562910;1395021823;benkay;anyways, love these guys. smart fuckers. tough sell on the job is going to be lisp and not haskell for the backend. 562911;1395021865;benkay;although maybe we'll all learn some haskell and learn something about strongly typed systems. 562912;1395021935;benkay;mircea_popescu re: hardness http://oglaf.com/habeas-corpus/ 562913;1395021952;mircea_popescu;o ya. 562914;1395022099;diametric;mircea_popescu: quite the commotion you you started with that bet 562915;1395022112;mircea_popescu;turns out im good at that. 562916;1395022121;diametric;i like it, all the anti-mp people were out in full force on reddit 562917;1395022134;diametric;"the guy that runs bitbet made the bet and he's a scammer!" many lols were had. 562918;1395022177;mircea_popescu;yeah well, there's people out there claiming that obama is smart and putin good looking 562919;1395022184;mircea_popescu;why shouldn't i have people that claim im a scammer 562920;1395022219;diametric;haha 562921;1395022273;steven-__;reddit has been in quality free fall for 4-5 years same goes for hn 562922;1395022337;mircea_popescu;i find it hard to believe reddit ever had any qyality to begin with 562923;1395022346;diametric;honestly its just a degradation of the signal to noise ratio that happens in any online community that gains popularity with the masses. 562924;1395022357;mircea_popescu;back when digg still existed reddit was where the furies gathered 562925;1395022372;mircea_popescu;then conde nast bought it and it became sorta-popular with the majored-in-business crowd i guess 562926;1395022572;diametric;mircea_popescu: when is your bitcoin conference? 562927;1395022601;mircea_popescu;later april 562928;1395022629;benkay;the furies? 562929;1395022737;mircea_popescu;furries 562930;1395022746;benkay;ah. 562931;1395022757;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/FurryGamesMidwestFurFest2006GreenReaper.jpg 562932;1395022759;mircea_popescu;reddit con 562933;1395022799;benkay;i was seeing mythical things. 562934;1395022803;steven-__;i wonder if the pants are just to hide the dick holes you know they have 562935;1395022864;diametric;i tend not to judge others on harmless stuff, though that shit must be uncomfortable as fuck to wear. 562936;1395022955;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20338 @ 0.00089073 = 18.1157 BTC [+] {2} 562937;1395022987;mircea_popescu;diametric what's harm to do with anything ? i'd rather take a smoker than someone who watches tv. 562938;1395022995;mircea_popescu;others are to be judged on aesthetic criteria 562939;1395023254;diametric;to what end though, i don't really care if people dress up like animals and fuck each other if they want too. I think its weird, but I would not consider myself a better person than they on that alone. 562940;1395023277;mircea_popescu;but i mean how do you judge another ? 562941;1395023287;mircea_popescu;what they consider beautiful would seem a major consideration 562942;1395023347;asciilifeform;i sorta wonder if the animal costumes are an anonymity thing 562943;1395023351;diametric;a consideration for what? I mean, sure its something I might factor in if its relevant to the situation, but I wouldn't dismiss someone simple because of that. 562944;1395023361;mircea_popescu;really ? 562945;1395023370;diametric;I do dismiss people that inflict harm on others, despite whatever else they might have to offer 562946;1395023377;mircea_popescu;i can't see how i could take seriously someone with poor taste. 562947;1395023387;mircea_popescu;so they inflict harm, what of it. 562948;1395023416;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it may even be a chicken and egg thing. maybe the pedestrian anonimity thing comes from the suits. 562949;1395023466;asciilifeform;just the theory, there might be folks who haven't the courage, but different matter when in the wolf suit. 562950;1395023470;mircea_popescu;diametric i mean what, you can't be friends with a war veteran ? 562951;1395023477;diametric;its a fetish. some people like feet, some people like anal gaping, some people like making scrambled eggs compromised of equal parts chicken eggs and semen. those guys like dressing up like animals and fucking. I think anonymity is incidental 562952;1395023504;asciilifeform;(i personally don't know anyone who does this particular thing, so i can only guess) 562953;1395023508;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah it's a lot more diffuse than that. i suspect many of them actually worked in a job that required them to dress as an animal. they do that for parties/disne\yland etc. 562954;1395023524;mircea_popescu;for whatever reason the thing stuck, because most of these kids are unemployable save for some fantasy enacting 562955;1395023528;asciilifeform;never knew a pro clown either, perhaps to my detriment 562956;1395023537;mircea_popescu;("i'm not really a waitress, i'm just on my way to the newsweek stint") 562957;1395023549;diametric;mircea_popescu: I see your point, maybe not harm at its basic level. Intent has a lot to do with it. 562958;1395023552;mircea_popescu;the costumes make the fantasy easier. 562959;1395023566;mircea_popescu;diametric is this something you've considered systematically or not really ? 562960;1395023581;diametric;nah its not something i spend a lot of time thinking about. 562961;1395023597;mircea_popescu;it shows. 562962;1395023647;diametric;oh i'm sure. 562963;1395023663;mircea_popescu;fwiw i dun think most furries actually do any fucking 562964;1395023666;Mats_cd03;diametric then you will always be vulnerable to those willing to xommit violence 562965;1395023666;mircea_popescu;in or out of costume. 562966;1395023717;diametric;i spread myself too thin honestly, i have a wide range of interests but never enough time to fully explore them. 562967;1395023757;mircea_popescu;i wasn't intimating you're a bad person or anything. 562968;1395023802;diametric;I didn't take it as such 562969;1395023854;mircea_popescu;i wonder if the d ever gives out furry prons 562970;1395023855;mircea_popescu;.d 562971;1395023855;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1379 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.1200% in 8d 14h 30m 21s 562972;1395023860;mircea_popescu;i mean 562973;1395023861;mircea_popescu;.bait 562974;1395023863;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_majfbxqR791qj6d3fo1_1280.jpg 562975;1395023872;diametric;where does .bait get its porn from? 562976;1395023891;Mats_cd03;.bait 562977;1395023892;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbqmvg3zz91racc9so1_500.jpg 562978;1395023894;diametric;I had always assumed it was some personal collection of pictures. 562979;1395023895;mircea_popescu;must be following some tumblr feed but no diea. 562980;1395023942;mircea_popescu;the problem with making women go barefoot in town 562981;1395023954;mircea_popescu;that black shit requires a belt sander to get off 562982;1395023992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.000893 = 1.2502 BTC [+] 562983;1395024032;mircea_popescu;neways that's all for me. have fun everyone! 562984;1395024432;Duffer1;later man 562985;1395025090;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 273 @ 0.00349936 = 0.9553 BTC [+] {5} 562986;1395025334;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00330156 = 0.1156 BTC [-] {3} 562987;1395025412;diametric;asciilifeform: so that pod i got off ebay works on the logic analyzer 562988;1395025456;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00449493 = 0.1348 BTC [-] {3} 562989;1395026188;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06907062 = 0.2763 BTC [-] 562990;1395027165;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06899997 = 0.345 BTC [-] 562991;1395027530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00088991 = 6.1849 BTC [-] 562992;1395029482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00511804 = 0.2559 BTC [-] {2} 562993;1395030214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4496 @ 0.00088989 = 4.0009 BTC [-] {2} 562994;1395030829;BingoBoingo;http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3413577 562995;1395030831;ozbot;Bitcoin Barron Challenges Berkshire - Slashdot 562996;1395030859;BingoBoingo;Let's get news of the berkshire bet on /. 562997;1395030900;Diablo-D3;people read /.? 562998;1395030902;Diablo-D3;just put it on hn 562999;1395030982;BingoBoingo;OF course people read /. WTF is HN? 563000;1395031922;artifexd;"All email received unencrypted is automatically deleted unread." <- Should there be a comma between "deleted" and "unread"? 563001;1395032044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05259833 = 0.4734 BTC [+] {2} 563002;1395032617;Duffer1;i would, dunno if it's grammatically necessary though 563003;1395032873;Mats_cd03;barron? 563004;1395032880;Mats_cd03;what are you, illiterate 563005;1395032888;BingoBoingo;Mats_cd03: It's the fancy spelling 563006;1395032907;BingoBoingo;Twice the R's twice the poweRR 563007;1395032919;Mats_cd03;google doesnt think so 563008;1395032949;BingoBoingo;Google sucks 563009;1395033114;BingoBoingo;Also, slipping typos past /. editors is a thrill 563010;1395033484;Mats_cd03;fuck you 563011;1395033518;Mats_cd03;cancer 563012;1395033550;Mats_cd03;:( 563013;1395033946;joecool;<Diablo-D3> people read /.? < the english language is tricky on this point, it is true that people have read /. however I do not think people still read /. 563014;1395033965;joecool;also wtf is HN 563015;1395033969;Diablo-D3;joecool: read as still read 563016;1395033973;Diablo-D3;news.ycombinator.com 563017;1395033997;joecool;o hacker news 563018;1395034423;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52805 @ 0.00089261 = 47.1343 BTC [+] {4} 563019;1395035039;dub;!ticker mp s.mpoe 563020;1395035039;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00079506 / 0.00083849 / 0.0008949 (798560 shares, 669.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00079084 / 0.00083345 / 0.0008949 (8266767 shares, 6,889.96 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00085513 / 0.0008982 (30247797 shares, 25,866.00 BTC) 563021;1395035049;dub;wat 563022;1395035098;BingoBoingo;Roller coaster day 563023;1395035765;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06899866 = 0.207 BTC [-] 563024;1395035826;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.006 = 0.378 BTC [-] {2} 563025;1395035887;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06899865 = 0.345 BTC [-] 563026;1395035948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.005965 = 0.4772 BTC [-] {2} 563027;1395037168;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00089405 = 4.7385 BTC [+] 563028;1395037351;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00344999 = 0.1345 BTC [+] {2} 563029;1395037839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38200 @ 0.00089443 = 34.1672 BTC [+] {3} 563030;1395038449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00089119 = 16.1751 BTC [-] {3} 563031;1395039059;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17359 @ 0.00089485 = 15.5337 BTC [+] {3} 563032;1395039120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10896 @ 0.000895 = 9.7519 BTC [+] 563033;1395040096;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0680001 = 0.136 BTC [-] {2} 563034;1395040523;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52484 @ 0.00088812 = 46.6121 BTC [-] {6} 563035;1395040584;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29819 @ 0.00088652 = 26.4351 BTC [-] {2} 563036;1395041255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00089246 = 11.8697 BTC [+] 563037;1395043146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13179 @ 0.00089382 = 11.7797 BTC [+] {3} 563038;1395044732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00089225 = 12.1792 BTC [-] {2} 563039;1395045098;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8107 @ 0.00089012 = 7.2162 BTC [-] 563040;1395046685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18294 @ 0.00089004 = 16.2824 BTC [-] {2} 563041;1395046745;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 136 @ 0.00348023 = 0.4733 BTC [+] {3} 563042;1395046806;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00349999 = 0.175 BTC [+] 563043;1395048697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5841 @ 0.00089507 = 5.2281 BTC [+] 563044;1395048758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17360 @ 0.0008957 = 15.5494 BTC [+] 563045;1395049869;Apocalyptic;.d 563046;1395049869;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1319 blocks | Estimated Change: 12.0150% in 8d 1h 25m 20s 563047;1395050218;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 563048;1395050234;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 624.17, vol: 5229.17631623 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 619.0, vol: 3520.16353 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 622.9, vol: 3034.80102891 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 644.03, vol: 27.03976344 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 634.7904, vol: 7.60273383 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 641.971901103, vol: 37.82252322 | Volume-weighted last average: 622.418876926 563049;1395050344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06899943 = 0.138 BTC [+] 563050;1395050405;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06899942 = 0.138 BTC [-] 563051;1395050466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00088761 = 12.0715 BTC [-] {3} 563052;1395050590;bounce;oh, nice to wake up to a spurious paste. another reason to hate trackpads. 563053;1395051082;mircea_popescu;when did miscreanity become stupid anyway ? 563054;1395051367;bounce;because if it wasn't, it gets bailouts 563055;1395051625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00088908 = 4.3565 BTC [+] 563056;1395051704;mircea_popescu;wait what ? 563057;1395051754;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo hacker news 563058;1395051778;mircea_popescu;joecool hacker news 563059;1395051820;mircea_popescu;o look, mpoe is trading 88 now ? i guess short sellers got bored or what 563060;1395051852;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "Tychoon" ?! 563061;1395051930;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.11950724 = 1.0756 BTC [-] 563062;1395052419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05259698 = 0.1578 BTC [-] 563063;1395052480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05259698 = 0.1578 BTC [-] 563064;1395052540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05259698 = 0.1052 BTC [-] 563065;1395052602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00088908 = 10.4022 BTC [+] 563066;1395052894;BingoBoingo;Tychoon, Barron... Things were bound to go wrong when I tried to submit to Slashot completely sober/ 563067;1395053150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.615 BTC [+] 563068;1395053556;mircea_popescu;lol 563069;1395053577;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.06909855 = 0.4837 BTC [+] {7} 563070;1395053710;BingoBoingo;Still the name of the game is challenging the editors to catch these things 563071;1395053766;mircea_popescu;why not work with them 563072;1395054553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.0008882 = 2.8422 BTC [-] 563073;1395054661;BingoBoingo;That is an interesting question. 563074;1395054840;isthisreallyreal;Hi guys! :) 563075;1395054861;kakobrekla;hi 563076;1395054872;isthisreallyreal;Anyone care to explain what's going on here ? :p Im totally new to this. Haha 563077;1395054887;Curious_George;hey there 563078;1395054900;kakobrekla;this box is internet relay chat aka irc 563079;1395054907;kakobrekla;you type stuff in and other people can see 563080;1395054918;kakobrekla;then they can reply back if they wish to do so 563081;1395054940;isthisreallyreal;haha, not that basic! I'm just wondering exactly what you're talking about here:) 563082;1395054954;kakobrekla;see the topic, follow the links 563083;1395055010;isthisreallyreal;A user from bitcointalk refered me here to gain some more experince about bitcoin in generel. 563084;1395055062;kakobrekla;well start reading then 563085;1395055068;mircea_popescu;isthisreallyreal just read the logs. 563086;1395055120;kakobrekla;or you can chop them up and make a nice wooden table 563087;1395055222;isthisreallyreal;And also, do you guys know any good marketplace where i can buy and sell with bitcoin? 563088;1395055240;kakobrekla;buy and sell what? 563089;1395055299;isthisreallyreal;stuff, like phones or anything acutally.. 563090;1395055352;isthisreallyreal;I can only find places to BUY bitcoins, not buy WITH them.. 563091;1395055364;kakobrekla;overstock for example 563092;1395055468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57337 @ 0.00089642 = 51.398 BTC [+] {5} 563093;1395055470;isthisreallyreal;overstock.com? I can only see that you can buy with regular currencys on that site! 563094;1395055524;kakobrekla;yes the implementation is poor 563095;1395055529;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60646667 = 1.8194 BTC [-] {2} 563096;1395055542;kakobrekla;but theres a "buy now with bitcoin" button on the bottom of product page 563097;1395055550;isthisreallyreal;Sorry to bother..! but where do i find the "log" ?:) 563098;1395055561;kakobrekla;the. links. in. the. topic. 563099;1395055574;kakobrekla;;;topic 563100;1395055575;gribble;http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com 563101;1395055580;isthisreallyreal;thanks alot !! 563102;1395055651;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.00595003 = 0.3987 BTC [-] {3} 563103;1395055879;isthisreallyreal;Do you guys use "bitcoins" regularly? :p Or what you find interesting about it? 563104;1395055984;isthisreallyreal;and btw, have you heard of thecoinbay? 563105;1395056008;kakobrekla;whats that 563106;1395056037;mircea_popescu;isthisreallyreal you need to stfu and read now, before you go on everyone's ignore. 563107;1395056037;kakobrekla;ebay with coins id guess 563108;1395056078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00089713 = 15.6998 BTC [+] 563109;1395056326;hdbuck;im new too, delighted to finally make it to the high sphere, have read the logs about what happened on the 4th of feb.. still trying to figure it all out. cheers. :) 563110;1395056342;mircea_popescu;eenjoy 563111;1395056373;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe 563112;1395056373;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00079506 / 0.00087709 / 0.00089713 (838186 shares, 735.17 BTC), 7D: 0.00079084 / 0.00083456 / 0.00089713 (8310811 shares, 6,935.92 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00085545 / 0.0008982 (30408720 shares, 26,013.21 BTC) 563113;1395056566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.0008974 = 12.3841 BTC [+] {2} 563114;1395057054;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05259507 = 0.1052 BTC [+] 563115;1395057359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 863 @ 0.00089705 = 0.7742 BTC [-] 563116;1395057421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06999999 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2} 563117;1395057481;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-] {3} 563118;1395057483;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06999999 = 0.14 BTC [+] {2} 563119;1395057542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05087319 = 0.2544 BTC [-] {4} 563120;1395057543;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.606 BTC [-] 563121;1395057544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [+] {4} 563122;1395057545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] {4} 563123;1395057605;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 563124;1395057726;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7951 @ 0.00089528 = 7.1184 BTC [-] 563125;1395058701;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 27 @ 0.11950724 = 3.2267 BTC [-] 563126;1395058717;BingoBoingo;First Newsweek, now Time Magazine http://time.com/25600/watch-a-bunny-throw-a-tantrum-whenever-he-isnt-getting-pet/ 563127;1395058884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9395 @ 0.00088963 = 8.3581 BTC [-] {2} 563128;1395058924;cazalla;patting a rabbit with an open palm (as in the video) blocks it's vision which can make it become defensive 563129;1395059131;cazalla;i breed NZ whites for meat, some of them would do the exact same thing or even bite if i harassed them as in that video 563130;1395059433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.0008895 = 4.7588 BTC [-] 563131;1395061309;chetty;http://m.trend.az/en/news/politics/2253614.html 563132;1395061310;ozbot;Turkish PM to hold consultations with Azerbaijan on Crimea - Trend.Az | Mobile version 563133;1395061340;Mats_cd03;luls nato 563134;1395061348;mircea_popescu;this guy said it best : 563135;1395061349;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/JamesKerLindsay/status/445543326750879744 563136;1395061349;ozbot;Twitter / JamesKerLindsay: Turkey occupying Cyprus discusses ... 563137;1395061478;Mats_cd03;dinosaurs behaving like the world still belongs to them 563138;1395061485;chetty;news flash: pot calls kettle black 563139;1395061630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00331241 = 0.2551 BTC [-] {2} 563140;1395061739;wao-ender;v0v http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68 563141;1395061997;mircea_popescu;wao-ender large boeings can't fly that way. 563142;1395062015;mircea_popescu;in fact, it's unsafe for them to be even within one kilometer of each other. 563143;1395062099;wao-ender;yeah, comply with safety rules while hijacking plane. 563144;1395062110;wao-ender;I think for upthrust is one km still safe 563145;1395062156;mircea_popescu;the problem is mostly the turbulence 563146;1395062166;mircea_popescu;if you watch racing, it's like the slickstream 563147;1395062246;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, he could stay at a reasonable safe distance while still being close enough to show as 1 spot on the radars imo 563148;1395062251;mircea_popescu;in racing however the road is there to keep the cars up, and turbulence only causes a problem at high speeds, because the cars are designed so that the air pushes them on the ground. 563149;1395062273;mircea_popescu;there are occasionally accidents where a car follows a leader too close and ends up losing contact with the ground because of the disrupton in airflow 563150;1395062286;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic well, you ever watched a radar ? 563151;1395062291;Apocalyptic;I did 563152;1395062298;wao-ender;also, I'm reading, there was 50 seats blocked for some special cargo on the plane? 563153;1395062305;Apocalyptic;not a military one though 563154;1395062329;mircea_popescu;so how do you figure two 80 meter long objects a mile apart could appear the same one object 563155;1395062333;mircea_popescu;one mile long ? 563156;1395062344;mircea_popescu;if they actally thought that they'd have reported the aliens invading o.O 563157;1395062345;Apocalyptic;anyway satellite pictures should determine that 563158;1395062419;mircea_popescu;anyway, getting back to the airflow problem : in racing the road keeps the cars up, but in flight planes are kept up by their drag 563159;1395062435;mircea_popescu;in order for it to generate enough force to keep all those tons in the air it has to have a certain density and flow pattern 563160;1395062448;mircea_popescu;basically if you try to fly a boeing behind another you'll just fall 563161;1395062458;mircea_popescu;and you'll probably fall for 100s of feet at a time because of inertia etc. 563162;1395062476;Apocalyptic;that i would be more likely to believe 563163;1395062478;mircea_popescu;leaving aside how incredibly dangerous it is (engines also need air, may likely stop etc), it's just not possible to smoothy fly that way 563164;1395062483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1861 @ 0.00089206 = 1.6601 BTC [+] 563165;1395062490;wao-ender;I think mh370 flying at different altitude 563166;1395062508;mircea_popescu;well so then they're visibly distinct 563167;1395062533;mircea_popescu;good military radar works in micrometre by now you know 563168;1395062543;wao-ender;dunno how they made it, but this conspiracy with sia68 is really interesting 563169;1395062546;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, I have no knowledge of a radar indentifying how long an object is or whatever 563170;1395062563;mircea_popescu;well interesting it may well be, but it's fiction. 563171;1395062566;Apocalyptic;either it reflects the waves or it doesn't 563172;1395062567;wao-ender;ye 563173;1395062607;Apocalyptic;I suppose you could achieve that with a special setup with multiple coordinated radars 563174;1395062614;mircea_popescu;radar is basically video in lower wavelengths, it's not that different. 563175;1395062622;mircea_popescu;it can see shape and "color" and everything you can see. 563176;1395062790;chetty;I wonder have radar setups gotten lazy? that is only bothering to look for transponders? 563177;1395062799;mircea_popescu;yeah but all of them ? 563178;1395062814;mircea_popescu;including military ? it crossed what, > 100 different sites. 563179;1395062829;chetty;well then we get to how may military vs civiliand radars along the way 563180;1395062857;Apocalyptic;pretty sure military radars don't give a fuck about transponders or not 563181;1395062888;mircea_popescu;yeah, wouldn't make much sense to limit themselves to that. 563182;1395062921;wao-ender;'military' hm, how can you know that military doesn't hiding something from public? 563183;1395063074;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 563184;1395063093;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12156 @ 0.00089206 = 10.8439 BTC [+] 563185;1395063174;Mats_cd03;we'll find out six years from now that they've been dead all along and were never actually on the island 563186;1395063175;wao-ender;> i don't see how they can make that up from shipping 3-4 tons of mangosteens 563187;1395063181;wao-ender;> which, to me, suggests there was something either hidden in the mangosteens or the manifest is fraudulent 563188;1395063185;Mats_cd03;oh wait, wrong plot 563189;1395063196;asciilifeform;who has a link (crackpot or otherwise) to the 'fifty reserved seats' thing? 563190;1395063213;wao-ender;here we go 563191;1395063214;wao-ender;http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/no-hazardous-cargo-just-tonnes-of-mangosteens-on-flight-mh370-says-airlines 563192;1395063215;ozbot;No hazardous cargo, just tonnes of mangosteens on flight MH370, says airline CEO - The Malaysian In 563193;1395063218;wao-ender;no hazardous cargo. 563194;1395063247;asciilifeform;any cargo is hazardous if the fellow with the remote control (usg) would rather that it not reach destination. 563195;1395063260;mircea_popescu;wait, mangosteens ?! 563196;1395063294;Apocalyptic;what's that ? 563197;1395063303;Mats_cd03;i wonder what a crashed airplane with mangosteens in hold would look like 563198;1395063312;mircea_popescu;is this a lowtax plot to troll the world ? 563199;1395063318;wao-ender;lol 563200;1395063319;Mats_cd03;i do love me some mangosteen 563201;1395063406;mircea_popescu;plane went down because, "SO DONT FUCKING BUY IT, DONT FUCKING DRINK IT, DONT FUCKING CLICK MY LINKS." 563202;1395063415;wao-ender;Studies suggest that higher doses of xanthones may depress the central nervous system in animals and cause sedation. 563203;1395063570;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://images.encyclopediadramatica.es/9/90/Maddox_irl.jpg btw. 563204;1395063592;mircea_popescu;this is what the us army has come to be, btw : those blondish dudes in a buzz cut with glasses. 563205;1395063886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00089457 = 17.4441 BTC [+] {2} 563206;1395064006;wao-ender;lul https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/445534544624488448 563207;1395064065;mircea_popescu;yeah lol 563208;1395064252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6615 @ 0.00089689 = 5.9329 BTC [+] {2} 563209;1395064740;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.00089142 = 11.9896 BTC [-] {2} 563210;1395064862;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05085001 = 0.2543 BTC [-] 563211;1395064863;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06899959 = 0.138 BTC [+] 563212;1395064923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] 563213;1395064984;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.0060241 = 0.2108 BTC [+] 563214;1395065867;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's so special about those? 563215;1395065883;asciilifeform;they look like ordinary 'office plankton' 563216;1395065990;mircea_popescu;yup 563217;1395066029;asciilifeform;they're probably 'desk flyers', though 563218;1395066083;asciilifeform;grunts who are actually sent out in the field are usually more muscular-looking. 563219;1395066288;blackwhite;morning gents 563220;1395066318;dR3;g'day 563221;1395066448;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001499 = 0.1499 BTC [+] 563222;1395066590;kakobrekla;hello. 563223;1395066814;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06899937 = 0.138 BTC [-] {2} 563224;1395067973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.00088806 = 12.8325 BTC [-] {2} 563225;1395068583;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6053 BTC [-] 563226;1395069319;bitcoinpete;"In manufacturing, technology eliminates and relocates jobs, but welding robots will never design their own cars. It ain’t gonna happen. In finance, jobs on Wall Street and in The City will be eaten up by Bitcoin, but the invention of the distributed blockchain can’t replace creativity and trust. Kurzweil’s singularity be damned." 563227;1395069320;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/its-the-people-not-the-protocol-stupid/ 563228;1395069321;ozbot;It’s The People, Not The Protocol, Stupid | When Bitcoin Met Pete 563229;1395069441;blackwhite;nice strawman 563230;1395069476;blackwhite;welding robots do not have to design their own cars for cars to be designed automatically 563231;1395069516;asciilifeform;people far from engineering would be astounded at how much of every widget is already designed 'automatically,' for any reasonable sense of the word. 563232;1395069570;blackwhite;Even circuit boards are designed by "other circuit boards" 563233;1395069573;asciilifeform;e.g. electrical engineering, at today's universities, largely consists of learning to crank CAD and sims like SPICE. 563234;1395069617;asciilifeform;very few of the grads know anything but the most surface treatment of why the sim works the way it does 563235;1395069803;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00345674 = 0.1936 BTC [+] {5} 563236;1395069862;asciilifeform;historical note. when CNC machining was new, various business folks had delusions that they could be rid of the need to hire machinists. 563237;1395069880;asciilifeform;the result was, apparently, in the words of those living then, 'production of scrap metal at very high speeds.' 563238;1395069936;asciilifeform;a master machinist eats very well even today. 563239;1395069967;asciilifeform;even though he will not turn the cranks by hand. 563240;1395069990;chetty;http://www.space.com/25078-universe-inflation-gravitational-waves-discovery.html 563241;1395069991;ozbot;Major Discovery: 'Smoking Gun' for Universe's Incredible Big Bang Expansion Found | Space.com 563242;1395070040;asciilifeform;for some reason i thought that the slow cooling of the 5k background hum was already 'smoking gun.' 563243;1395070047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001499 = 0.1499 BTC [+] 563244;1395070062;hdbuck;analysts at Citi Group told me he got offered to have his sort of pension fund in BTC?! such pokerface those banks. ^^ 563245;1395070087;asciilifeform;hdbuck: what prevents anyone from having whatever in btc? 563246;1395070108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00332744 = 0.6655 BTC [-] {7} 563247;1395070230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.0001499 = 0.5996 BTC [+] 563248;1395070415;hdbuck;asciilifeform: nothing, just that he confirmed to me that banks have already started to deal with btc behind the curtain 563249;1395070425;asciilifeform;i thought this was old news. 563250;1395070474;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0033091 = 0.6618 BTC [-] {5} 563251;1395070535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4800 @ 0.00014998 = 0.7199 BTC [+] {2} 563252;1395070602;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, ? 563253;1395070637;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: various hedge funds; and some consumer bank in france, if i recall 563254;1395070645;Apocalyptic;interesting, missed that 563255;1395070710;hdbuck;in france?! 563256;1395070727;asciilifeform;i last heard of it ages ago, might have vanished. 563257;1395071389;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00088745 = 3.3279 BTC [-] 563258;1395071817;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4652 @ 0.00088801 = 4.131 BTC [+] 563259;1395071999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.33749062 BTC to 3`951 shares, 59162 satoshi per share 563260;1395072320;dR3;more pokerface evidence: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/morgan-stanley-to-host-bitcoin-event-2014-03-17 563261;1395072410;Apocalyptic;"The recent collapse of bitcoin exchange Mr. Gox has caused alarm in the industry about the stability and security of the virtual currency" // they must include that everywhere... 563262;1395072471;thestringpuller;;;ticker 563263;1395072472;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 623.71, Best ask: 625.58, Bid-ask spread: 1.87000, Last trade: 623.7, 24 hour volume: 6843.50990414, 24 hour low: 619.46, 24 hour high: 635.0, 24 hour vwap: 626.355003951 563264;1395072484;thestringpuller;;;ticker --markets all 563265;1395072484;gribble;(ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make (1 more message) 563266;1395072488;thestringpuller;;;ticker --market all 563267;1395072489;chetty;show me the money / err alarm 563268;1395072494;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 623.7, vol: 6842.45497403 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 617.0, vol: 3741.72887 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 621.61, vol: 4251.82494996 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 635.01, vol: 62.51398694 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 611.454206, vol: 2820.20400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 630.0, vol: 7.87890985 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 636.312876, vol: 52.31340017 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 563269;1395072545;benkay;"stability and security" 563270;1395072553;benkay;look, there are no exchanges. there's no exchange rate. 563271;1395072565;benkay;look, end-users are responsible for their own security. it's not fucking secure. 563272;1395072593;benkay;davout why does bitcoin-central never get press mentions? 563273;1395072617;davout;benkay: define 'press mentions' 563274;1395072620;davout;coindesk ? 563275;1395072629;benkay;what do you take me for?! 563276;1395072634;davout;:D 563277;1395072651;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete that's EXACTLY where the bad news starts for them. 563278;1395072663;davout;we do get some press, but usually it's paymium that's mentioned 563279;1395072669;mircea_popescu;they rationalize away "oh but bitcoin will never be smarter than us". sure it won't. then mp comes, and you're beyond fucked. 563280;1395072731;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.065 = 0.39 BTC [-] {2} 563281;1395072734;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> a master machinist eats very well even today. << yes, but he's not in a union is he. 563282;1395072792;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2514 @ 0.00015 = 0.3771 BTC [+] {2} 563283;1395072814;mircea_popescu;and o hai guise. 563284;1395072851;mircea_popescu;"The controversial owner of MPEx is" o look, i r controversial nao. 563285;1395072853;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21098 @ 0.00088801 = 18.7352 BTC [+] 563286;1395073037;mircea_popescu;so which one of you runs bitcoinx.com ? 563287;1395073118;mircea_popescu;JEFFREY SCOTT OWNBY. Ex BFL VP ?! you gotta be kidding me. 563288;1395073212;ThickAsThieves;bitcoinx is pretty old, i doubt anyone here runs it too 563289;1395073229;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves apparently owned by ex bfl officer ? 563290;1395073241;ThickAsThieves;it lives only cuz it comes up high on google searches for bitcoin mining calc 563291;1395073252;mircea_popescu;seems to have started jan 2013, then taken a 11 month break to december 563292;1395073289;ThickAsThieves;ironically i probly used it to determine i should ask for a refund on my BFL 563293;1395073293;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/bitcoinXnews wait, 2012ish by the twitter they link 563294;1395073293;ozbot;bitcoinx.com (bitcoinXnews) on Twitter 563295;1395073301;mircea_popescu;lol 563296;1395073341;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05085001 = 0.3051 BTC [-] {2} 563297;1395073402;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00348885 = 0.3419 BTC [-] {3} 563298;1395073403;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05085 = 0.1526 BTC [-] 563299;1395073707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00088741 = 3.3722 BTC [-] {2} 563300;1395073768;chetty;http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukrainian-government-refuses-to-remove-troops-from-crimea-prepares-for-war-339724.html 563301;1395073768;ozbot;Ukrainian government refuses to remove troops from Crimea, prepares for war 563302;1395073816;mircea_popescu;what, again ? 563303;1395073823;mircea_popescu;didn't they call a general mobilisation nobody showed ? 563304;1395074317;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00088648 = 21.9847 BTC [-] {3} 563305;1395074392;LordPutin;but we won crimea fair and square, they even voted to join us 563306;1395074411;BingoBoingo;Oh, this dude is still shitting out non-text https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297334.msg5722587#msg5722587 563307;1395074476;mircea_popescu;someone should make an ipo of a totally insane thing and just keep posting wall of text after wall of text of completely rambling, nonsensically, perhaps machine-generated text whenever someone says something 563308;1395074483;mircea_popescu;no wait, it's been done to death by hand already. 563309;1395074513;LordPutin;ipo bot 563310;1395074542;mircea_popescu;botipo 563311;1395074554;mircea_popescu;bo.ti.po 563312;1395074564;chetty;botipoo 563313;1395074598;LordPutin;satoshi spaceship 563314;1395074607;mircea_popescu;lol chetty 563315;1395074633;BingoBoingo;S.IPO.BOT 563316;1395074744;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300 @ 0.00088801 = 0.2664 BTC [+] 563317;1395074805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1590 @ 0.00349675 = 5.5598 BTC [+] {8} 563318;1395074996;artifexd;mircea_popescu Your 1 million atc wall on x-bt.com is gone. Eaten up. 563319;1395075010;mircea_popescu;coolness. 563320;1395075128;BingoBoingo;Oh, half an hour ago there were still a 300k or so left. 563321;1395075147;thestringpuller;stupid ipos 563322;1395075150;thestringpuller;AMAZING 563323;1395075293;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00088748 = 5.2361 BTC [-] {2} 563324;1395075476;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05085 = 0.1017 BTC [-] 563325;1395075537;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.04997799 = 0.4998 BTC [-] {3} 563326;1395075598;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0491 = 0.1473 BTC [-] 563327;1395075600;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00349999 = 0.1155 BTC [+] 563328;1395075720;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.069166 = 0.2075 BTC [+] {3} 563329;1395075758;ThickAsThieves;wow, i didnt know that the owners of about 130,000 properties are without their title deeds in Cyprus 563330;1395075804;ThickAsThieves;some having multiple owners and mortgages 563331;1395075826;mircea_popescu;yeah it's a mess 563332;1395075833;mircea_popescu;greece is similar, bulgaria less so but also. 563333;1395075842;mircea_popescu;very dangerous to buy property in non-torens lands. 563334;1395075864;asciilifeform;e.g. usa 563335;1395076025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06898999 = 0.138 BTC [+] 563336;1395076071;ThickAsThieves;is there any argument to say they unit of account of Bitcoin is a bitcoin? 563337;1395076080;ThickAsThieves;or is it satoshis in all cases? 563338;1395076098;ThickAsThieves;and if so, is satoshi a documented name, or just what people say? 563339;1395076135;Dimsler;i don't think it matters 563340;1395076143;jurov;sometimes mili, micro, nano 563341;1395076144;Dimsler;microtransactions of that nature aren't possible 563342;1395076147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00088636 = 8.6863 BTC [-] 563343;1395076179;ThickAsThieves;my question wasnt whether it matters 563344;1395076204;ThickAsThieves;merely if someone asks What is the unit of account in Bitcoin? 563345;1395076209;ThickAsThieves;what is the correct answer? 563346;1395076212;Dimsler;bitcoin 563347;1395076230;ThickAsThieves;i prefer a response from someone i think knows what;s up 563348;1395076233;BingoBoingo;http://gawker.com/gym-bro-successfully-gets-fake-feminist-thought-catalog-1545530204 563349;1395076233;ozbot;Gym Bro Successfully Gets Fake Feminist Thought Catalog Essay Published 563350;1395076239;Apocalyptic;artifexd, how do you know it was mircea's ? 563351;1395076244;BingoBoingo;Trolls trolling trolls getting trolls 563352;1395076256;jurov;ThickAsThieves: you want like "official" answer or what? 563353;1395076260;artifexd;There is reference to "satoshi" as the base element in the reference client code. All the code uses satoshi as the amount of accounting. 563354;1395076262;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: It's establishment and purpose were announced 563355;1395076275;Apocalyptic;somehow missed that too 563356;1395076280;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves the satoshi is quite clearly the only unit of account, a "bitcoin" is just a courtesy style. 563357;1395076283;Dimsler;satoshi is a denomincation 563358;1395076288;Dimsler;unit of account is bitcoin 563359;1395076294;mircea_popescu;the satoshi name is not documented, other than through ancient convention 563360;1395076300;Dimsler;ThickAsThieves, nobody in here knows whats up 563361;1395076303;mircea_popescu;Dimsler no actually exactly backwards 563362;1395076338;Dimsler;actually yes that is backwards 563363;1395076345;Dimsler;no wait 563364;1395076351;Dimsler;it depends on symantics 563365;1395076355;ThickAsThieves;lol 563366;1395076357;Dimsler;denomiations of bitcoin are just that 563367;1395076358;mircea_popescu;lolk 563368;1395076368;ThickAsThieves;it depends on malwarebytes mostly 563369;1395076369;Dimsler;satoshi as th elowest denomination 563370;1395076419;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as bitcoin protocol happily handles half a bitcoin 563371;1395076424;mircea_popescu;but can not handle half a satoshi 563372;1395076431;mircea_popescu;it should be pretty obvious what the unit of account is. 563373;1395076435;artifexd;If you're asking about the code, then the code keeps track of amounts in satoshi. API's accept amounts in satoshi. 563374;1395076440;ThickAsThieves;but the protocol does call it a satoshi? 563375;1395076455;ThickAsThieves;or does it not call it anything at all 563376;1395076457;Dimsler;i dont' think its actually named 563377;1395076461;Dimsler;its not called anything at all 563378;1395076480;artifexd;It is named in a comment. Variables don't contain the name. 563379;1395076482;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves does not call it anything at all. 563380;1395076487;artifexd;At least in the reference client. 563381;1395076487;mircea_popescu;artifexd has it. 563382;1395077415;mircea_popescu;"Some other questions: 1) how naked would you like the models to be?" 563383;1395077420;mircea_popescu;shit people ask me... 563384;1395077428;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4000 @ 0.00349999 = 14 BTC [+] {2} 563385;1395077761;ThickAsThieves;on the probabilities of a bitcoin wallet being hacked, can any of you review this short text to tell me if it is generally acceptable? http://dpaste.com/1739894/ 563386;1395077801;ThickAsThieves;to me it seems that hacking an addy would be even less probable than how this writer has approached it 563387;1395077836;asciilifeform;what's next? probability of nuclear war? 563388;1395077902;ThickAsThieves;just lookin for some insight on bitcoin, i'll leave the wars to the media 563389;1395077920;asciilifeform;just asking the question is an abuse of statistics 563390;1395077934;mircea_popescu;"both of these figures are reasonable estimates" 563391;1395077936;mircea_popescu;thjey're asspulls. 563392;1395077977;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00349997 = 0.7 BTC [-] {2} 563393;1395078014;mircea_popescu;can be reasonably considered "absolutely secure" << depends by whom where for what purpose etc. 563394;1395078031;mircea_popescu;services to describe at least superficially describe their security policy 563395;1395078055;mircea_popescu;too much describe, and also who are you to make recommendations to people running services ? 563396;1395078064;ThickAsThieves;absolute is obviously a horrible choice of wording 563397;1395078092;mircea_popescu;let's translate it for a moment. 563398;1395078096;ThickAsThieves;whwn i share who wrote it, you'll understand why i'm questioning it 563399;1395078135;Apocalyptic;is it Amir ? 563400;1395078155;ThickAsThieves;there's really only one guess 563401;1395078160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4500 @ 0.00014999 = 0.675 BTC [+] {3} 563402;1395078174;ThickAsThieves;who is constantly trying to look smart while displaying stupidity? 563403;1395078198;ThickAsThieves;other than me 563404;1395078199;ThickAsThieves;:) 563405;1395078232;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/1739920/ 563406;1395078232;ozbot;dpaste: #1739920 563407;1395078236;mircea_popescu;there, that should put it in perspective. 563408;1395078246;mircea_popescu;now go make a... what, a wh petition.org ? 563409;1395078251;mircea_popescu;talk at a ##conference ? 563410;1395078263;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol! 563411;1395078275;mircea_popescu;no but srsly. we are reddit, hear us roar already. 563412;1395078384;ThickAsThieves;the text was via vitalik 563413;1395078434;mircea_popescu;he's seriously wasting his talents in bitcoin 563414;1395078440;mircea_popescu;he should be in /r/wmd 563415;1395078472;ThickAsThieves;or climatechange/ 563416;1395078493;mircea_popescu;no because that is actually intended as a chump party. 563417;1395078528;Apocalyptic;don't you know he's busy with ethereum 563418;1395078532;Apocalyptic;or whatever it's called 563419;1395078537;mircea_popescu;eterheum 563420;1395078579;Apocalyptic;"The 19-Year-Old Behind Ethereum, a New Digital Currency, Is Insanely Smart" 563421;1395078624;mircea_popescu;aokthen 563422;1395078632;ThickAsThieves;such branding 563423;1395078674;bitcoinpete;o allo 563424;1395078676;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: haha beyond beyond. 563425;1395078688;mircea_popescu;wasn't ethereum more like a new ripple than a new bitcoin ? 563426;1395078699;mircea_popescu;heh i guess they covered it by calling it "digital currency" 563427;1395078702;Apocalyptic;that probably best describes it indeed 563428;1395078703;mircea_popescu;technically it could be a new ven 563429;1395078718;ThickAsThieves;it's a new mastercoin 563430;1395078737;bitcoinpete;;:eauth bitcoinpete 563431;1395078748;bitcoinpete;;;eauth bitcoinpete 563432;1395078749;gribble;Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/165749929F9A6BDD 563433;1395078754;mircea_popescu;but mastercoin was a new ripple once ripple got its guts ripped out 563434;1395078770;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00088636 = 6.3818 BTC [-] 563435;1395078867;ThickAsThieves;but ripple never asked you to relinquish your bitcoins to use it 563436;1395078942;bitcoinpete;;;ident bitcoinpete 563437;1395078942;gribble;Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified. 563438;1395079070;bitcoinpete;;;verify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:da8bab51c90fb8c7142143eaa83df8ade8e8e0aa699576b2863f7245 563439;1395079070;gribble;Error: 'freenode:#bitcoin-otc:da8bab51c90fb8c7142143eaa83df8ade8e8e0aa699576b2863f7245' is not a valid http url. 563440;1395079093;benkay;if you want to avoid flailing around in public, you can get down with gribble via pm, bitcoinpete 563441;1395079097;Apocalyptic;bitcoinpete, try ;;everify 563442;1395079101;bitcoinpete;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:da8bab51c90fb8c7142143eaa83df8ade8e8e0aa699576b2863f7245 563443;1395079102;gribble;You are now authenticated for user bitcoinpete with key 165749929F9A6BDD 563444;1395079116;bitcoinpete;benkay: sorry dude 563445;1395079129;benkay;sheesh bitcoinpete stop burning my electrons 563446;1395079206;bitcoinpete;benkay: I coulda sworn I went through that rigamarole once before… hopefully this is the last public flailing 563447;1395079235;benkay;;;gpg eauth benkay 563448;1395079236;gribble;Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@76-251-110-24.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7 563449;1395079253;benkay;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a38d09183a201e377da24b96a6e0747f0e7fc58b5b0a0f8f24ab10bd 563450;1395079254;gribble;You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7 563451;1395079264;benkay;worth doing once a day. 563452;1395079281;benkay;sometimes in public, sometimes in private. 563453;1395079319;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.05108899 = 0.6131 BTC [-] {2} 563454;1395079441;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00089112 = 14.9708 BTC [+] {2} 563455;1395079685;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00088636 = 15.4227 BTC [-] 563456;1395080451;hdbuck;what's with MP's statement on twitter saying there is no such thing as Bitcoin core devs?! *mind blown 2* 563457;1395080514;benkay;nobody uses anything post 0.6 563458;1395080535;benkay;everyone calling themselves a core dev has hacked on the cpp hairball that turned into 0.7 and then 0.8 563459;1395080544;mircea_popescu;well for further mind blown, consider there's no bitcoin jesus, either o.O 563460;1395080578;*;mircea_popescu is kinda surprised nobody claimed to be bitcoin santa. 563461;1395080582;hdbuck;mircea_popescu: gosh was convinced it was you ^^ 563462;1395080582;mircea_popescu;i guess in the end people do suck. 563463;1395080588;mircea_popescu;lol 563464;1395080604;mircea_popescu;i only bring gifts to chicks that dress properly. 563465;1395080690;lopp;Nobody uses bitcoind > 0.6? Are you saying that http://getaddr.bitnodes.io/dashboard/ is so underwhelming because it's only counting nodes >= 0.7? 563466;1395080824;bitcoinyeezus;lopp: who knows 563467;1395080830;bitcoinyeezus;lopp: do you run your node constantly? 563468;1395080837;lopp;i do 563469;1395080851;bitcoinyeezus;does everyone? 563470;1395080902;lopp;only the really nerdy / early bitcoiners from my experience bother running full nodes 563471;1395080924;bitcoinyeezus;well then who can know what the whelmingness of that thinger implies abouty reality anyways? 563472;1395080932;*;midnightmagic twitches uncontrollably at mention of "bitcoin jesus" down in the Caribbean complaining about how slow it is to open a bank account as a recent import from the US 563473;1395080934;bitcoinyeezus;kinda messy questionspace. 563474;1395080977;midnightmagic;apparently two days to wait to renounce US citizenship was too much for him, cause "they're after me." wtf. 563475;1395080985;mircea_popescu;lopp well "nobody" more in the sense of bitcoin owned 563476;1395080993;artifexd;loop: At the bottom of that page " Bitnodes uses Bitcoin protocol version 70001 (i.e. >= /Satoshi:0.7.x/), so nodes with older protocol version will be skipped." 563477;1395081021;bitcoinyeezus;(just 'cause it has Satoshi in the client string doesn't mean shit about the authors) 563478;1395081028;lopp;right, it's relatively underwhelming because it used to report > 100,000 nodes 563479;1395081145;lopp;as yeezus noted, we don't really know enough to say whether or not these numbers should be underwhelming. I'm of the opinion that we don't have enough insight into the load that the nodes are bearing. 563480;1395081180;bitcoinyeezus;mircea_popescu only knows that by volume owned statistic because he's actually the owner of the 'satoshi hoard'. 563481;1395081181;lopp;that is, how much more volume of requests could the average node be handling before it is straining its computational / bandwidth resources 563482;1395081205;bitcoinyeezus;load? 563483;1395081211;bitcoinyeezus;what does load have to do with anything? 563484;1395081214;midnightmagic;there is virtually no load. i run an experimental node that deals with a few dozen transactions a day on an eeepc 701 just for fun. 563485;1395081256;mircea_popescu;yeah the load isn't really significant 563486;1395081273;mircea_popescu;it's more in terms of security, due to various graph splitting attacks that coudl conceivably be deployed 563487;1395081355;mircea_popescu;also, stockings : http://25.media.tumblr.com/26688fdcb329d5627f6072b48d62e7ea/tumblr_mr0x17YcGH1rgq9hdo1_1280.jpg 563488;1395081357;bitcoinyeezus;we must all be talking past one another today. 563489;1395081364;lopp;gotcha - I keep hearing that it's trivial but I guess I'd prefer to see actual numbers regarding, say, how many SPV client requests the average node is handling / how many historical block and tx lookups it's handling, how many invalid txs it's deciding not to relay, etc 563490;1395081385;bitcoinyeezus;lopp: sit down and figure it out. write it up, post it somewhere. contribute to bitcoin nollij. 563491;1395081403;lopp;that's the direction I seem to be headed :-) 563492;1395081412;bitcoinyeezus;real dearth of people doing stuff in btc. 563493;1395081420;midnightmagic;a bunch of us are trying to connect via non-internet connections to at least measure any attempt at chosen-cut/isolation attacks. 563494;1395081428;bitcoinyeezus;my ass just got hammered with work as well 563495;1395081457;bitcoinyeezus;have you heard of such attacks happening, midnightmagic? 563496;1395081510;midnightmagic;bitcoinyeezus: I have heard of them. I have never personally witnessed one happening. 563497;1395081530;mircea_popescu;i've never seen proof of one happening either. 563498;1395081555;midnightmagic;^^ probably running more-connected nodes than I am. 563499;1395081668;mircea_popescu;the theoretical possibility still exists, in a variety of very difficult to model variants 563500;1395081677;mircea_popescu;this'd eminently be one of those asciilifeform "parachute first pls" cases 563501;1395081698;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06898999 = 0.4829 BTC [+] {2} 563502;1395081756;asciilifeform;didn't somebody just bring up 'leased lines' as a kind of pill against net splits? 563503;1395081817;diametric;probably 563504;1395081842;asciilifeform;as i gather, you'd want to covertly connect two nodes (in 'distant') parts of graph with leased line 563505;1395081872;midnightmagic;There is a really neat paper that asserts that if you know "enough" about the edges of a connected graph network and measure the messages, you can map most messages sources. 563506;1395081887;midnightmagic;where "enough" is smaller than I ever expected it to be 563507;1395081893;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic the tor stuff ? 563508;1395081902;midnightmagic;and "measurement" is just.. like a few nodes. 563509;1395081915;asciilifeform;old news. 563510;1395081930;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: No I'm trying to find the link now, it's a really weird little paper that nobody I mention it to has heard of. 563511;1395082044;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: local meshnet, POTS, satellite, moon, and ham frequencies. 563512;1395082070;asciilifeform;even 'truck loaded with tapes' if low latency is not a critical requirement. 563513;1395082126;asciilifeform;http://www.wired.com/business/2014/03/culture-offsets << the loltron continues to chug 563514;1395082126;ozbot;As Female GitHub Coder Claims Harassment, Silicon Valley Stands At Crossroads | Wired Business | Wir 563515;1395082128;Apocalyptic;carrier pigeons even 563516;1395082247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1921 @ 0.00015 = 0.2882 BTC [+] 563517;1395082381;mircea_popescu;silicon valley stands at a crossroad indeed. one way, despair and utter hopelessness 563518;1395082386;mircea_popescu;on the other, total extinction 563519;1395082394;mircea_popescu;i pray they have the wisdom to choose correctly. 563520;1395082394;benkay;what happened to manners? 563521;1395082411;mircea_popescu;"A software engineer named Julie Ann Horvath sent shock waves across Silicon Valley over the weekend" = "nobody gave a shit, so we'll just keep yakking about it" 563522;1395082426;mircea_popescu;too much press, too little olive oil. 563523;1395082446;asciilifeform;i read the first turd, and my puny brain was utterly unable to determine wtf the deal was. 563524;1395082903;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/hey-stupid-women-we-need-to-talk-smart-women-dont-want-to-be-with-you-anymore/ 563525;1395082904;ozbot;Hey, stupid women ? We need to talk. Smart women don’t want to be with you anymore. pe Trilema - U 563526;1395082905;mircea_popescu;this, basically. 563527;1395082926;asciilifeform;yeah i read this even, but i still don't 'get' it. what does the woman want? 563528;1395082943;asciilifeform;'hush money' ? 563529;1395082957;mircea_popescu;she wants attention. 563530;1395082976;mircea_popescu;and to be told that she's important, and valuable, and remarkable and all the rest of the shit women her age want 563531;1395082996;mircea_popescu;except since she's incapable of fidning a boyfriend, she would like obamacare to pay for it. 563532;1395083011;mircea_popescu;and obamacare does pay for it, because what else is govbernment for 563533;1395083018;mircea_popescu;if not to make people happy. 563534;1395083023;asciilifeform;aha, the 'Professionally Sad' 563535;1395083328;mircea_popescu;just... the social media generation. 563536;1395083339;mircea_popescu;notice how nowhere is it mentioned what the fuck the woman actually did at any point. 563537;1395083360;mircea_popescu;an entire generation of these, ballas spent some time discussing the zuckerberg woman 563538;1395083376;asciilifeform;probably something like 'untergruppenfhrer' 563539;1395083379;mircea_popescu;they're not as much professionally sad as professionally useless 563540;1395083446;mircea_popescu;i wish some of those "business leaders" or w/e they are actually came forward to plainly state that they don't care, they'll never care, and the peons can get back to the mine. 563541;1395083447;asciilifeform;afaik, these folks aren't in it for the money - if the 'doxxing' is to be believed, leah for instance is loaded 563542;1395083454;mircea_popescu;obviously this isn't liable to happen in any venue that's doomed. 563543;1395083467;mircea_popescu;which is how i conclude silicon valley ain't got much more life left in it. 563544;1395083479;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hoiw's she loaded ? she just has rich friends. 563545;1395083491;mircea_popescu;her constant welfare is dependant strictly on those folks continuing to like her. 563546;1395083532;asciilifeform;i recall she had lands/estates or something? 563547;1395083633;mircea_popescu;she owed on a 175k mortgage. that ? 563548;1395083642;asciilifeform;hm right 563549;1395083653;asciilifeform;living on borrowed money, then, nm 563550;1395083661;wao-ender;duck and cover https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiB7ny52-xw 563551;1395083662;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5mmrwmeqj1qin4ceo1_500.jpg << this chick's more loaded. 563552;1395083833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00088898 = 1.9558 BTC [+] 563553;1395084078;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00089119 = 7.5306 BTC [+] 563554;1395084504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.00015997 = 0.128 BTC [+] {3} 563555;1395084597;mircea_popescu;http://organofcorti.blogspot.ro/2014/03/181-who-owns-1htm4tysxf5yzklpco6mtuunfs.html#!/2014/03/181-who-owns-1htm4tysxf5yzklpco6mtuunfs.html 563556;1395084597;ozbot;Neighbourhood Pool Watch: 18.1 Who owns 1HTM4TYSXF5yZKLpco6MTUUNfSBCiiwGsU ? 563557;1395084601;mircea_popescu;this guy is doing a lot of plant art. 563558;1395084688;mircea_popescu;"Every post from MPOE-PR I read gives me physical pain" 563559;1395084692;mircea_popescu;bwahaha she wins. 563560;1395084736;asciilifeform;there seems to be a 'garlic/vampire' dynamic with mpoepr. 563561;1395084898;mircea_popescu;how;s that ? 563562;1395084919;asciilifeform;the only folks who have a been with the woman seem to be obvious malefactors 563563;1395084922;asciilifeform;*beef 563564;1395084931;mircea_popescu;a that. yeah. 563565;1395084963;mircea_popescu;i was thinking more along the lines of, hey dear pentagon, if you're looking to start a research project into how to give people physical pain over the wire... i got the only documented case of this happening working for me. 563566;1395084999;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you recall, i found you in the first place because of a letter from mpoepr. she was never anything other than impeccably polite to me. 563567;1395085022;mircea_popescu;she's a well brought up young lady, what. 563568;1395085025;mircea_popescu;she's polite to me too. 563569;1395085050;mircea_popescu;probably they're mostly incensed because she knows too many words. 563570;1395085053;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06898999 = 0.207 BTC [+] 563571;1395085076;mircea_popescu;"women in tech", but only for just as long as a) they're stupid and b) they don't ever do anything let alone make calls. 563572;1395085085;mircea_popescu;gotta keep them bitches in their place, you know. 563573;1395085236;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 142 @ 0.06898999 = 9.7966 BTC [+] 563574;1395085480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06800005 = 0.272 BTC [+] {3} 563575;1395085541;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0506 = 0.2024 BTC [-] 563576;1395085704;midnightmagic;I think this is the paper here: http://arxiv.org/abs/1204.0354 563577;1395085716;midnightmagic;"Identifying Infection Sources and Regions in Large Networks" 563578;1395085847;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06962498 = 0.2785 BTC [+] {4} 563579;1395085907;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00088743 = 6.3895 BTC [-] 563580;1395086029;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2571 @ 0.000149 = 0.3831 BTC [-] {4} 563581;1395086030;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00088972 = 4.0927 BTC [+] 563582;1395086395;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00088972 = 4.8045 BTC [+] 563583;1395087127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00349999 = 3.5 BTC [+] {3} 563584;1395087310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0035 = 0.7 BTC [+] 563585;1395087371;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0035 = 0.1575 BTC [+] 563586;1395087398;ThickAsThieves;The latest version ofthe LMB Holdings (Neo & Bee, Easycoin, Neo Xchange) prospectus has been posted at https://www.lmb-holdings.com 563587;1395087399;ThickAsThieves;The document is currently accessible using Google Docs at this link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1khGADbJeu0efCNZ13lnz8BucG7PfS5Cl9lBZ1sncY-4/ 563588;1395087399;ThickAsThieves;Please note that an updated link to a PDF version will be posted at lmb-holdings.com soon. 563589;1395087399;ThickAsThieves;Also, additional updated information will be provided later this week. 563590;1395087462;benkay;i think you mean in two weeks 563591;1395087493;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 15 @ 0.08012265 = 1.2018 BTC [-] {7} 563592;1395087516;Apocalyptic;soon-ish 563593;1395087554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.0035 = 0.6335 BTC [+] 563594;1395087615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00014896 = 0.2979 BTC [-] {5} 563595;1395088075;benkay;okay i have found a use for the alts 563596;1395088086;benkay;training wheels 563597;1395088095;benkay;from the local bitcoin room: "omg i broke my doge-wallet" 563598;1395088100;benkay;"good thing it's just doge, and not bit." 563599;1395088107;benkay;"ya i guess you're right el oh el oh el" 563600;1395088108;asciilifeform;benkay: i thought that's what btc 'testnet' was for. 563601;1395088155;benkay;one would, would one not? 563602;1395088163;benkay;alert readers these are not, tho. 563603;1395088225;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21721 @ 0.00088632 = 19.2518 BTC [-] {2} 563604;1395088286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06620002 = 0.331 BTC [-] 563605;1395088347;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0662 = 0.5958 BTC [-] {2} 563606;1395088408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0662 = 0.3972 BTC [-] 563607;1395088469;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0662 = 0.2648 BTC [-] 563608;1395088530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 32 @ 0.05108899 = 1.6348 BTC [+] 563609;1395088713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 314 @ 0.00085529 = 0.2686 BTC [-] {4} 563610;1395088835;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 600 @ 0.00084356 = 0.5061 BTC [-] {6} 563611;1395088836;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 220 @ 0.0035 = 0.77 BTC [+] 563612;1395088896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06440003 = 0.322 BTC [-] 563613;1395088957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 174 @ 0.00083764 = 0.1457 BTC [-] {4} 563614;1395088958;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0510727 = 0.3575 BTC [-] {3} 563615;1395088959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.0035 = 0.1855 BTC [+] {2} 563616;1395089262;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0644 = 1.288 BTC [-] {5} 563617;1395089333;mircea_popescu;benkay kinda the idea all along 563618;1395089445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0035 = 0.35 BTC [+] 563619;1395089506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.064388 = 0.6439 BTC [-] {3} 563620;1395089811;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00596155 = 1.1923 BTC [-] {6} 563621;1395089994;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00088721 = 5.0127 BTC [+] 563622;1395090066;ThickAsThieves;Nate Silver's prediction site: http://fivethirtyeight.com/ 563623;1395090074;ThickAsThieves;http://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/march-madness-predictions/ 563624;1395090074;ozbot;FiveThirtyEight | FiveThirtyEight’s NCAA Tournament Predictions 563625;1395090134;ThickAsThieves;maybe some BitBets are in order 563626;1395090211;mircea_popescu;if nate silver, whoever he is, gets some sctatch together 563627;1395090393;ThickAsThieves;"We may have gone from conceiving of government as an entity that builds roads, dams and airports, provides shared services like schooling, policing and national parks, and wages wars, into the world’s largest insurance broker." 563628;1395090421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16119 @ 0.00088732 = 14.3027 BTC [+] {2} 563629;1395090544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.0035 = 0.1225 BTC [+] 563630;1395090909;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06898998 = 0.138 BTC [+] 563631;1395090970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.0035 = 0.7805 BTC [+] 563632;1395090971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15000 @ 0.00015998 = 2.3997 BTC [+] {7} 563633;1395091336;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.03988054 = 0.1994 BTC [+] {2} 563634;1395091397;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.60512519 = 15.1281 BTC [-] {7} 563635;1395091519;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00088773 = 9.4987 BTC [+] 563636;1395091641;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0035 = 0.7 BTC [+] 563637;1395091645;mircea_popescu;soo, BingoBoingo bitcoinpete jborkl and generally ppl doing blogs : ima be doing a little bit of sec wikileaking in a few hours. 563638;1395091660;mircea_popescu;it;s going to consist of raw material, you can comment whichever way so get your pencils ready. 563639;1395091763;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13617 @ 0.00088857 = 12.0997 BTC [+] {2} 563640;1395091818;steven-__;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20nequ/leah_mcgrath_goodman_i_have_learned_this_about/ 563641;1395091876;Mats_cd03;nate silver is well known as a statistician 563642;1395091886;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47235 @ 0.00089226 = 42.1459 BTC [+] {4} 563643;1395091920;steven-__;he used to post on 2+2 and had a blog raitng the best burritos in his city 563644;1395091946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00088997 = 0.178 BTC [+] 563645;1395091947;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0035 = 0.175 BTC [+] 563646;1395091955;steven-__;http://burritobracket.blogspot.com/ 563647;1395091956;ozbot;The Burrito Bracket 563648;1395092008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 354 @ 0.0035 = 1.239 BTC [+] 563649;1395092068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0035 = 3.5 BTC [+] 563650;1395092190;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0035 = 0.35 BTC [+] 563651;1395092312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 428 @ 0.0035 = 1.498 BTC [+] 563652;1395092617;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.0035 = 0.42 BTC [+] {2} 563653;1395092618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4133 @ 0.00088971 = 3.6772 BTC [-] 563654;1395092679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06898992 = 0.276 BTC [-] 563655;1395092739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.00349999 = 0.273 BTC [-] 563656;1395092800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 761 @ 0.00349999 = 2.6635 BTC [-] {5} 563657;1395092862;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.0035 = 0.357 BTC [+] 563658;1395092945;benkay;mircea_popescu: released on trilema? 563659;1395093365;mircea_popescu;yea 563660;1395093427;mircea_popescu;steven-__ that's like rather old #suckstobeleah posturing neh ? 563661;1395093759;mircea_popescu;bc.info down huh 563662;1395093850;steven-__;I think she said this recently in an effort to stay relevant 563663;1395093868;mircea_popescu;was last week afaik 563664;1395093878;ThickAsThieves;yep BC says it's a database server thing 563665;1395093886;ThickAsThieves;and "all coins are safe" 563666;1395093970;mircea_popescu;i imagine they would be. 563667;1395093984;asciilifeform;so, got me first digital scope. a bit pissed that it has... moving parts. (fan, and, more outrageously, relays!) 563668;1395094064;mircea_popescu;electromechanical relays are teh best no ? 563669;1395094092;asciilifeform;surely somebody makes solid-state relays that don't attenuate 100Mhz. 563670;1395094139;asciilifeform;(yes, i know, they're almost certainly in the $10K american gizmo that my unit is a chinese copy of.) 563671;1395094218;mircea_popescu;:p 563672;1395094277;asciilifeform;funnily, the instrument (a 'rigol ds1102d') has a 'declassification guide' chapter in manual 563673;1395094302;asciilifeform;which shows which locations on the mainboard are RAMs and therefore should be used for target practice 563674;1395094305;asciilifeform;when unit is written off 563675;1395094323;asciilifeform;this tells us that nato folks probably buy these. 563676;1395094325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9659 @ 0.00088736 = 8.571 BTC [-] 563677;1395094439;asciilifeform;and, that they believe in a serious way, in the 'sram remanence' hypothesis. 563678;1395094497;asciilifeform;(gizmo has 'flash' on board also, being a cheap linux pc really, but it is not the only chip marked.) 563679;1395094505;mircea_popescu;may be just "what is done" according to the chinese corp in question 563680;1395094508;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00354687 = 0.1702 BTC [+] 563681;1395094520;asciilifeform;my apologies if i'm the only one who finds this interesting. 563682;1395094569;asciilifeform;actually i admit i've always been curious about ion migration in sram cells, but the literature is mostly silent on the subject. 563683;1395094573;asciilifeform;to no one's great surprise. 563684;1395094669;mircea_popescu;so what'd ion migration do ? show whether the user likes vi or emacs ? 563685;1395094671;mircea_popescu;or uses a lot of pine ? 563686;1395094684;asciilifeform;same idea as crt 'burnin' 563687;1395094691;asciilifeform;except, in sram 563688;1395094740;asciilifeform;one would need, likely, an instrument built for the purpose to read out the 'bias' on the bits 563689;1395094741;mircea_popescu;i get that. hence the pine comment. 563690;1395094746;asciilifeform;rather than merely using the chip as prescribed 563691;1395094749;asciilifeform;correct. 563692;1395094849;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: sharpened and ready 563693;1395094863;mircea_popescu;hehe isn't irc fun. 563694;1395094960;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: totally. 563695;1395094973;bitcoinpete;also, was this sarcastic or serious? 01:47:56mircea_popescu:"Being quiet and studious is broadly unknown in a western culture that prizes views, likes and the inane extraversion required to generate them." no see, that's attacking people's self esteem. 563696;1395095005;bitcoinpete;did I go too far? 563697;1395095077;dexX7;he's never sarcastic and i'm serious 563698;1395095086;dexX7;tricky now, eh? ;) 563699;1395095147;mircea_popescu;http://fuck-the-cops.biz/old-hax.html << check it out lol. 563700;1395095147;ozbot;Reposessing web hosting accounts with Photoshop 563701;1395095157;mircea_popescu;would-be bitbet hackjer confesses 563702;1395095316;dignork;mircea_popescu, so the only problem he found is that you;re not supposed to smile on photo-id, lol 563703;1395095340;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many of the internet haxxors ever had a passport made in the first place. 563704;1395095355;mircea_popescu;i mean for one thing you can't even get one till you're 18 in many places 563705;1395095384;asciilifeform;turns out that many people in usa haven't a passport. 563706;1395095388;dignork;mircea_popescu, but googling for "us passport sample" gives plenty of much more beleivable exmaples 563707;1395095402;mircea_popescu;well googling. 563708;1395095403;asciilifeform;(and may or may not have ever seen one) 563709;1395095405;artifexd;My daughter had a passport before she as a month old. 563710;1395095411;mircea_popescu;what are you trying to do over here, give people sprains ? 563711;1395095422;mircea_popescu;artifexd im sure she'll rtemember that :D 563712;1395095469;artifexd;She won't, but mom and I will. 563713;1395095504;artifexd;Anyway, the point was that in the US, pre-18yo passports are common. 563714;1395095545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00088558 = 13.8593 BTC [-] {3} 563715;1395095606;mircea_popescu;i thought that was a major issue in the us because of kidnapping concerns 563716;1395095616;mircea_popescu;(ie, married couple has falling out, either one of them takes kids to mexico) 563717;1395095630;asciilifeform;afaik you don't need passport for mexico. 563718;1395095637;asciilifeform;(from usa) 563719;1395095677;ThickAsThieves;true 563720;1395095678;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform when i crossed there it was like... lolk. 563721;1395095682;artifexd;I can state with certainty that Ecuador has rules requiring notrized documentation from the not-present parent for taking a child out of the country. The US doesn't. 563722;1395095685;asciilifeform;nm, cancelled in '04 it seems 563723;1395095710;asciilifeform;now u.s. folks need passport to return from anywhere. 563724;1395095734;artifexd;My wife has taken our daughter to Ecuador a couple times and no one asked me a damned thing. 563725;1395095850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00354687 = 0.344 BTC [+] 563726;1395095911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00357998 = 0.1002 BTC [+] 563727;1395096429;ughlol;mircea_popescu: found out you're a billionaire.. sorry to have spoken rudely the other day 563728;1395096431;ughlol;:P 563729;1395096469;mircea_popescu;you had ? i hadn't noticed. 563730;1395096480;ughlol;i did 563731;1395096518;ughlol;i mean, i dont want you hiring a hitman with btc to take me out right? :P 563732;1395096559;ughlol;mircea_popescu: now, getting straight to the point, do you invest? =P 563733;1395096601;ThickAsThieves;... 563734;1395096625;BingoBoingo;K pencils at the ready for this data dump 563735;1395096626;mircea_popescu;sometimes. 563736;1395096677;ughlol;mircea_popescu: mind a pm? 563737;1395096776;mircea_popescu;yeah, you're prolly better off talking in public anyway. 563738;1395096780;mircea_popescu;more people here thjan just me. 563739;1395096801;Dimsler;it doesn't count if they are you minions 563740;1395096806;Dimsler;your 563741;1395096838;ninjashogun;guys, I'm watching htis channel as actually in talking with ughlol I'm the one who mentioned mirceau as being high-net-worth. he's from India and has access to a much poorer network of investors than some western countries 563742;1395096863;ninjashogun;I was talking about how many billionaires/millionaires I know as an American (just 1-2 of the former even if we include mirceau) :) 563743;1395096873;jurov;ughlol have you read recent trilema stuff? 563744;1395096882;ninjashogun;I'd like to introduce ughlol based on my conversations with him. 563745;1395096887;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 145 @ 0.00613706 = 0.8899 BTC [+] {8} 563746;1395096908;jurov;iirc there were some pieces about you both 563747;1395096908;ughlol;jurov: not really, no.. 563748;1395096914;ninjashogun;ughlol is working on an extremely interesting social network for real spaces, based on shared interests - for exmaple, at a bar if someone is into the exact same bands as you, then you could both be notified. 563749;1395096928;ninjashogun;so it would work (my words) as an "introduction service" that - if two people both opt in - introduce each other. 563750;1395096938;jurov;wasn't that the rape stuff? 563751;1395096944;ninjashogun;No. 563752;1395096954;ninjashogun;That is a feature he is interested in adding, has nothing to do with the social network. 563753;1395096957;ughlol;jurov: The rape intervention is a part of a much bigger app. 563754;1395096971;ninjashogun;Another example I can think of is let's say two people are both open source developres. If they put that, then they'd be notified if they're at the same bar - very cool. 563755;1395096989;jurov;oh okay. just go read trilema then. 563756;1395096992;ninjashogun;Due to its double-opt-in nature, it is especially good as a dating solution. 563757;1395097009;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00358 = 0.358 BTC [+] 563758;1395097011;ninjashogun;He is also an engineering student in India, and as such he has access to a very good source of labor. 563759;1395097019;ninjashogun;On the downside, he has no access to a venture capital ecosystem. 563760;1395097039;ninjashogun;In addition I've seen some of his skills in pentesting and security, and think he is the real deal in terms of what he can program. Here is his site, where you can see his photo and full name as well: 563761;1395097044;jurov;i don'thave a vulture capital access, too and i'm fine 563762;1395097070;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00358 = 1.79 BTC [+] 563763;1395097075;mircea_popescu;vulture capital lol 563764;1395097082;ughlol;jurov: I think you can understand that it is difficult (not impossible, but difficult) to create something from nothing. 563765;1395097085;mircea_popescu;interesting way to put it 563766;1395097122;jurov;ughlol, such as... bitcoins? 563767;1395097155;ughlol;mircea_popescu: Interesting indeed, but ofc, I am looking for investment.. You can call yourself a venture capitalist, investor, angel investor or whatever you like :) 563768;1395097167;ughlol;jurov: not bitcoins, but a mobile app 563769;1395097173;ninjashogun;sociostop.com is his current address 563770;1395097180;ughlol;a social networking app that is meant only for mobile devices 563771;1395097190;BingoBoingo;Wait, isn't this just what Tinder and Grindr do? 563772;1395097202;ughlol;since the social networking scene is shifting off computers and onto mobile devices. 563773;1395097204;BingoBoingo;Except with rape as a feature 563774;1395097205;ninjashogun;and you can see his face, name, and profile there 563775;1395097208;jurov;grindr doesn't do rape afaik 563776;1395097224;ughlol;BingoBoingo: Tinder was active since 2012, and they dont have much.. 563777;1395097236;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo, I would forget about that portion. It's very germane in India where it is a big problem. If he were from Detroit he would put in bullet tracking information based on echolocation - how far away is that shooting? :) 563778;1395097237;ughlol;I want to create a social network that completely revolves around location services 563779;1395097246;ThickAsThieves;...these guys are scamming, sorry 563780;1395097256;ThickAsThieves;gtfo 563781;1395097289;ughlol;ThickAsThieves: can I at least discuss the idea? 563782;1395097298;ThickAsThieves;i cant stop you 563783;1395097308;ThickAsThieves;but i cant respect you either 563784;1395097309;jurov;you don't discuss, you just pew out nonsense 563785;1395097309;ughlol;There might be people interested in investing in such an idea. 563786;1395097313;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: What ever happened to your Dogecoin investor? 563787;1395097316;BingoBoingo;;;lasers 563788;1395097317;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 563789;1395097336;jurov;ughlol the people considered it, wrote blog about it and rejected it 563790;1395097348;jurov;and you dn't even want to read it 563791;1395097353;jurov;so gtfo 563792;1395097364;ughlol;jurov: I would love to read, can you give me a link? 563793;1395097375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00358 = 0.358 BTC [+] 563794;1395097404;ughlol;jurov: are you talking about http://trilema.com/ ? 563795;1395097414;jurov;yes, on rilema.com some of the top right 563796;1395097419;jurov;*trilema 563797;1395097436;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00358 = 0.1575 BTC [+] 563798;1395097441;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2014/you-cannot-fix-a-machine-by-just-power-cycling-it-with-no-understanding-of-what-is-going-wrong/ 563799;1395097442;ozbot;“You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong. 563800;1395097531;ninjashogun;so, ThickAsThieves, here is a COMPLETE scrollback: http://pastebin.com/iTLNPmmq 563801;1395097546;ThickAsThieves;no thanks 563802;1395097552;ThickAsThieves;ive been readin all day 563803;1395097553;ninjashogun;I'd like you to read through it and apologize. no way would I fabricate this, with timestamps, just for some 'scam'. I also don't know him personally. 563804;1395097558;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 555 @ 0.0036 = 1.998 BTC [+] 563805;1395097560;ThickAsThieves;i'm already feeling woozy 563806;1395097576;ThickAsThieves;gotta save myself for this trilemaleaks event 563807;1395097600;ninjashogun;Well given that you have just taken it upon yourself to accuse me of being a scammer with ughlol it's up to you to take about 35 seconds to scroll through that and determine that, in fact, I have just met him, and you're a fucking troll who should either stop trolling and apologize or (obviously) eat shit or die 563808;1395097617;ThickAsThieves;i dont have to do shit for you 563809;1395097620;ninjashogun;So it's really all the same to me, but I would prefer if you'd do the noble, proper thing and take a few seconds to do that. 563810;1395097633;Dimsler;fuck 563811;1395097638;Dimsler;the trolls that this channel attracts 563812;1395097639;ninjashogun;No, of course you can sit around trying to slander and destroy people's reputations. Thanks for doing the right thing and taking 15 seconds to admit you're wrong though. 563813;1395097719;Dimsler;man nobody is giving you a penny in here 563814;1395097722;Dimsler;gtfo 563815;1395097742;ThickAsThieves;you are demonstrably capable of ruining your own rep 563816;1395097758;Dimsler;lol what rep? 563817;1395097759;nubbins`;HAHAHAHAH 563818;1395097767;Dimsler;two clowns 563819;1395097795;nubbins`;ninjashogun are you in here with your ideas again? 563820;1395097799;ughlol;Im sorry you feel that way. 563821;1395097804;ninjashogun;nubbins`, no I just introduced ughlol 563822;1395097805;*;jurov tries to think of suitable slanderous soul memepic 563823;1395097812;ThickAsThieves;now i'm putting you both on ignore for when you come back in a few weeks with your hands out for some other bullshit 563824;1395097818;benkay;ninjashogun: you ain't introducing shit we already ran him out of here. 563825;1395097821;ThickAsThieves;at least youll need to change your IP 563826;1395097821;*;nubbins` chuckles 563827;1395097828;Dimsler;lol 563828;1395097830;Dimsler;clowns 563829;1395097837;nubbins`;YOU GUISE 563830;1395097844;ninjashogun;I think his idea is perfectly fine. 563831;1395097849;Dimsler;what the idea 563832;1395097853;Dimsler;entertain all of us 563833;1395097853;ninjashogun;There's just one part of the scrollback that is funny - and that shows he's still a student :) 563834;1395097854;nubbins`;so go make things with him 563835;1395097854;Dimsler;with how sutpid itis 563836;1395097863;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05108999 = 0.1022 BTC [+] 563837;1395097877;ninjashogun;ctrl-f "i wanna be a billionaire" - http://pastebin.com/iTLNPmmq 563838;1395097879;jurov;Dimsler use teh log.. and there was moar yest 563839;1395097880;ninjashogun;that part is funny :) 563840;1395097904;ughlol;nothing wrong in wanting to be a billionaire! :P 563841;1395097905;ninjashogun;i wanna be a billionaire - and a programming job can't even make me a millionaire - id have to struggle hard just to make ends meet 563842;1395097910;Dimsler;oh yeah 563843;1395097911;ninjashogun;that is very funny :) 563844;1395097913;Dimsler;two idiots 563845;1395097913;ninjashogun;and really shows his age 563846;1395097924;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0655 = 0.9825 BTC [-] {6} 563847;1395097933;ninjashogun;But he could have the same attitude if he were in San Francisco. 563848;1395097938;ughlol;Why is everybody trolling? 563849;1395097947;ughlol;mircea_popescu: Now you understand why I wanted to pm? 563850;1395097947;ninjashogun;ughlol - it's the nature of htis channel, I told you 563851;1395097950;Dimsler;because you're a retard 563852;1395097959;ninjashogun;ughlol, mirceau is not going to invest in you, unless oyu had a ton of traction 563853;1395097960;benkay;Dimsler gets it 563854;1395097973;ninjashogun;you would need to have a lot of different users already. 563855;1395097981;benkay;dude ninjashogun if you say traction around mp he'll probably just kill you and feed you to the harpies 563856;1395097986;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.065 = 1.04 BTC [-] 563857;1395097987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0516 = 0.1032 BTC [+] 563858;1395097988;ughlol;true 563859;1395097988;benkay;social media does not fly here. 563860;1395097995;dub;guys guys guys 563861;1395097997;jurov;rape whistle billionaires either 563862;1395097997;ninjashogun;benkay - he doesn't like that word? 563863;1395097999;Dimsler;lol 563864;1395098002;Dimsler;its like 563865;1395098007;dub;we're forgetting how important young people are 563866;1395098007;Dimsler;scammers trying to scam the scammer 563867;1395098012;nubbins`;dub ;( 563868;1395098023;ughlol;Dimsler: :) You're so full of yourself. Give me your name, and I'll destroy your rep. Only if you have the courage. 563869;1395098025;nubbins`;it's why i weep for tomorrow 563870;1395098034;ughlol;And now Im done sugar-coating shit 563871;1395098040;*;Dimsler takes out his cheque book 563872;1395098040;ughlol;just to appease you, the filthy rich 563873;1395098042;Dimsler;how many million 563874;1395098046;Dimsler;should i write out for you? 563875;1395098051;ughlol;Dimsler: just your real name bro. 563876;1395098054;nubbins`;lel. 563877;1395098058;ughlol;I bet you dont have the guts either way. 563878;1395098059;nubbins`;bro 563879;1395098063;dub;oh wow 563880;1395098067;nubbins`;why you puffin' up your chest bro? 563881;1395098072;dub;cause internet 563882;1395098076;Dimsler;i know 563883;1395098081;Dimsler;frontin 563884;1395098081;ughlol;nubbins`: because I think I have an idea that works. 563885;1395098086;dub;;;google greater internet fuckwad 563886;1395098087;gribble;Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory | Know Your Meme: <http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/greater-internet-fuckwad-theory>; Online disinhibition effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_disinhibition_effect>; Penny Arcade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Arcade> 563887;1395098090;Dimsler;no you don't 563888;1395098090;jurov;it whistles 563889;1395098091;ughlol;And just because you're trolls doesn't mean you can talk shit about it! :) 563890;1395098094;Dimsler;if you did why would you be in here 563891;1395098100;ughlol;Dimsler: that is your opinion. 563892;1395098105;nubbins`;ughlol: that's lovely, an idea! congrats :D 563893;1395098108;ughlol;Dimsler: to try to gather investment ofc. 563894;1395098108;Dimsler;no i think thats fact 563895;1395098111;nubbins`;most people don't get that far 563896;1395098118;ughlol;precisely 563897;1395098139;BingoBoingo;ughlol: Have you tried #dogecoin ninjashogun Seemed to find interest there before 563898;1395098153;ughlol;no BingoBoingo.. I haven't.. 563899;1395098169;Dimsler;lol why are you people entertaining him? 563900;1395098180;jurov;it's her, no? 563901;1395098187;Dimsler;its a woman? 563902;1395098196;ughlol;wow 563903;1395098201;BingoBoingo;ughlol: In #dogecoin you may even find people who want to try your social thing 563904;1395098205;Dimsler;ughlol, where from nigeria are you from? 563905;1395098205;dub;why didnt you say so? where to I sign 563906;1395098247;ughlol;Dimsler: Its funny you ask. Because there were repeated statements saying Im Indian. You must be illitereate. 563907;1395098249;ughlol;But thats okay. 563908;1395098255;Dimsler;nigerian? 563909;1395098261;ughlol;Illiterate* 563910;1395098264;ughlol;Indian. 563911;1395098283;Dimsler;why are you here? 563912;1395098293;Dimsler;everyon said no 563913;1395098294;dub;india and nigera are basically the same place 563914;1395098296;ughlol;to try and find investment for a business. 563915;1395098303;Dimsler;we are not interested 563916;1395098306;Dimsler;now leave 563917;1395098306;ughlol;dub: and you failed in geography. 563918;1395098309;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/ 563919;1395098310;ozbot;Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 563920;1395098311;mircea_popescu;there we go. 563921;1395098312;steven-__;are you saying in this log you have never used source control only heard about it? 563922;1395098314;ughlol;Dimsler: You are not interested. 563923;1395098317;Dimsler;no 563924;1395098320;Dimsler;nobody is interested 563925;1395098324;ughlol;So you gtfo? 563926;1395098329;steven-__;Mar 17 22:52:09 <ninjashogun> how do you do source control? 563927;1395098330;steven-__;Mar 17 22:52:15 <ughlol> Github 563928;1395098330;steven-__;Mar 17 22:52:22 <ughlol> though i've never used it for any of my projects 563929;1395098333;ughlol;I wanted to speak to mircea_popescu . 563930;1395098340;Dimsler;lol why 563931;1395098342;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo bitcoinpete 563932;1395098347;ughlol;If he says he's not interested, I'll leave immediately. 563933;1395098355;benkay;holy shit mircea_popescu! 563934;1395098362;Dimsler;mircea_popescu, tell the troll to leave 563935;1395098364;BingoBoingo;ACK 563936;1395098367;jurov;ughlol, you want to talk to him even after what he write on his blog? 563937;1395098372;ughlol;Yes. 563938;1395098378;ughlol;Just to discuss. 563939;1395098385;ughlol;I feel theres nothing wrong in that. 563940;1395098389;ughlol;But only if he likes. 563941;1395098392;Dimsler;lol 563942;1395098395;ughlol;If he asks me to leave, I'll gtfo. 563943;1395098400;Dimsler;online panhandling 563944;1395098404;Dimsler;masked as a scam 563945;1395098415;ughlol;Im not even asking for money. 563946;1395098419;ughlol;Im asking you to listen. 563947;1395098424;ughlol;and think without bias. 563948;1395098428;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: bam! 563949;1395098468;mircea_popescu;so now that everyone else can be busy, ughlol what was it you wanted to discuss ? 563950;1395098476;ughlol;mircea_popescu: let me know if you have 10minutes to spare.. after that, I'll not bother you. 563951;1395098481;ughlol;But on pm, if you dont mind. 563952;1395098490;jurov;what if he rapes you? 563953;1395098496;steven-__;what about the log? 563954;1395098498;ughlol;I know im practically nothing, and probably don't even deserve talking to someone like you. 563955;1395098504;ughlol;But I admire billionaires. 563956;1395098510;Dimsler;ughlol, why? hes just a scammer like you are 563957;1395098512;ughlol;Thats my dream, which I might never reach. 563958;1395098524;Dimsler;you might even learn somethin from him 563959;1395098542;mircea_popescu;it's not practical to discuss things with me privately. we have no basis for that, and whatever you say is perhaps useful for others, later. 563960;1395098545;ughlol;Dimsler: Yes, I am sure I can learn something from him. Hence I want to talk. 563961;1395098549;BingoBoingo;"Asking them to pick up your daughter and throw her over a cliff however is an illegal request." 563962;1395098572;jurov;Dimsler she learned nothing so far 563963;1395098579;jurov;10 mins wont change that 563964;1395098586;Dimsler;oh well 563965;1395098587;ughlol;mircea_popescu: I wont ask you about investment. Just want to learn and understand your opinion. I read your blog article, and what you say makes a lot of sense. Thats why. 563966;1395098590;ughlol;Its a request. 563967;1395098600;mircea_popescu;so go ahead and ask, what. 563968;1395098609;ughlol;Over pm please? 563969;1395098623;mircea_popescu;lemme explain how this works. 563970;1395098626;ughlol;Otherwise all your friends - Dimsler, jurov, etc will keep interrupting with their comments. 563971;1395098634;ughlol;ok? 563972;1395098641;mircea_popescu;i'm currently donating my time discussing things with people who otherwise would never get to talk to me, because i believe in some things. 563973;1395098653;Dimsler;lol 563974;1395098655;mircea_popescu;you can't try to leverage that into something that otherwise costs a whole lot of money. 563975;1395098671;ThickAsThieves;thanks for the post MP 563976;1395098679;ughlol;Im only asking 10mins on a private chat. 563977;1395098688;ThickAsThieves;very interested to see how they proceed, assuming you'll share 563978;1395098699;pizzaman1337;yeah, awesome post. Keep us updated! :D 563979;1395098701;ThickAsThieves;also interested to see how they proceed, knowing you are sharing 563980;1395098715;Dimsler;nie gavarit pa rusku? 563981;1395098719;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i dun imagine there's any proceeding to be had. 563982;1395098754;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: sec: lol! 563983;1395098769;ughlol;mircea_popescu: Can you spare 10mins on pm, or you want me to gtfo like everybody else wants? 563984;1395098774;mircea_popescu;very cheeky attitude, "here's the extrusion process we expect everything to go through, we'll just keep repeating it" 563985;1395098781;mircea_popescu;sorta feels like talking to customer support. 563986;1395098787;Dimsler;mircea_popescu, which post are they talking about 563987;1395098792;mircea_popescu;ughlol you know what a fake dichotomy is ? 563988;1395098796;mircea_popescu;Dimsler latest prolly. 563989;1395098805;Dimsler;nvm 563990;1395098806;Dimsler;got it 563991;1395098816;ughlol;mircea_popescu: yes, a little bit. 563992;1395098827;ughlol;a false dilemma 563993;1395098835;ninjashogun;ughlol - you should not try so hard for a PM now 563994;1395098837;mircea_popescu;aha. so, take your time, ask whatever it is you need to ask. 563995;1395098855;ninjashogun;ughlol - access to mirceau (I just read the most recent few lines, haven't been reading scrollback) is, as he correctly states, a VERY good opportunity 563996;1395098868;ninjashogun;you should use it for when you have shipped, have a good idea, paying users, and good traction. 563997;1395098868;benkay;tiberius? 563998;1395098871;benkay;is that you tiberius? 563999;1395098875;ughlol;oh 564000;1395098877;ughlol;okay 564001;1395098878;ninjashogun;nobody invests in the idea stage. 564002;1395098880;ughlol;my bad then 564003;1395098901;ughlol;mircea_popescu: simple question, if i create a prototype for the app that i want to build, would you even consider investing in it? 564004;1395098911;mircea_popescu;ughlol no. 564005;1395098927;mircea_popescu;you don't have the position to promote that particular thing. you need a different idea. 564006;1395098932;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Is the timestamp on that last email correct? 564007;1395098938;ughlol;mircea_popescu: a different idea how? 564008;1395098947;ughlol;You want me to completely change the idea? 564009;1395098951;ughlol;Or modify it a little bit? 564010;1395098961;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.00088766 = 35.9058 BTC [+] {3} 564011;1395098975;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no it is not. fixed now and ima check the whole stack., 564012;1395099014;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Thanks. WOnder how long it will take for the SEC position to align with the reality of MPEx as SRO 564013;1395099022;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, I saw your article on ughlol and think it completely misrepresents ughlol's idea and is extremely unfair. As long as it includes no identifying information, it's a simple troll and abuse of your power - which is fine. It will disappear off the Internet and nobody will read it again. However it is in no way accurate based on my conversation with him. 564014;1395099044;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun can you be specific ? 564015;1395099077;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, what do you mean? http://trilema.com/2014/you-cannot-fix-a-machine-by-just-power-cycling-it-with-no-understanding-of-what-is-going-wrong/ 564016;1395099077;ninjashogun;is the one I'm talking about. 564017;1395099089;mircea_popescu;that much i understand. 564018;1395099102;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo may take another secx. 564019;1395099104;mircea_popescu;oops. 564020;1395099118;ninjashogun;Based on my impression, the same thing could have been said about Twitter or Facebook. 564021;1395099138;mircea_popescu;i don't have a very good impression of either. 564022;1395099144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0056864 = 0.1137 BTC [-] {2} 564023;1395099176;ninjashogun;Facebook could be called: "A myspace based on a radical idea. You can ONLY register if you have a .edu account! They have literally just blown myspace out of the water by getting AT MOST 0.5% as many users, because at most 0.5% - one in one two hundred - people in the world uses an active .edu account." 564024;1395099199;ninjashogun;"Why limit yourself to 6 billion people when you can limit yourself to FIFTY MILLION?" 564025;1395099202;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: Based on reading the public conversation in this channel it seems the Rape WHistle app came first and today's social network idea is new. 564026;1395099223;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun i think you perhaps misjudge the quantity of luck involved in facebook becoming facebook. 564027;1395099227;ninjashogun;It was what was on his mind at the time. What you're missing is that it was on his mind due to a pain point (read news about India). 564028;1395099243;Dimsler;ninjashogun, yeah right 564029;1395099247;Dimsler;your scammer pal 564030;1395099253;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, yes, this is the big defense of trolls. That if it does succeed it's luck, if it fails then obviously it's because it was a dumb idea just as shown by the trolls. 564031;1395099255;mircea_popescu;Dimsler why so aggro anyway 564032;1395099262;Dimsler;i dunno 564033;1395099263;Dimsler;lol 564034;1395099265;mircea_popescu;lol 564035;1395099269;Dimsler;i'm not aggro 564036;1395099276;ninjashogun;Dimsler, did you catch the fact that I posted my whole convo (where I first met him) with ughlol? 564037;1395099278;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: The fact of the matter is that you can not recharacterize old text as a misrepresentation of a bunch of new text, yet to be released 564038;1395099311;ninjashogun;( http://pastebin.com/iTLNPmmq ) 564039;1395099327;Dimsler;ninjashogun, can you and ughlol panhandle elsewhere? 564040;1395099339;ninjashogun;Dimsler, I haven't asked for anything. 564041;1395099351;ninjashogun;I also consider it a terrible suggestion to ask for funding here, so on that I'm agreed. 564042;1395099355;ninjashogun;I told ughlol as much. 564043;1395099362;mircea_popescu;depends who. 564044;1395099364;ughlol;Yes, you did.. 564045;1395099372;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves didn't even ask and ended up with "his" altcoin financed lol 564046;1395099374;mircea_popescu;much to his chagrin 564047;1395099378;ughlol;I was very impressed with mircea_popescu's suggestions last time.. thought I would give it a shot. 564048;1395099381;mircea_popescu;(dja even own any atc tat ?) 564049;1395099393;ninjashogun;However, we do need to keep a few things in mind. Did you know that VC's (private VC's, managing Limited Partners' cash) get a little bit short of the NASDAQ in returns over the 10-year period of their funds? 564050;1395099419;mircea_popescu;so i guess now you can appreciate the luck point. 564051;1395099442;ninjashogun;The net result (the 2 and 20 basis) of VC's working 60-100 hours a week on investment opportunities, proprietary dealflow, networking, term sheets, introductions, everything.... is a return just shy of passive over the counter index investment. 564052;1395099449;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00088768 = 11.6286 BTC [+] {2} 564053;1395099459;benkay;ninjashogun: so why would anyone play a retarded game like that? 564054;1395099482;ninjashogun;benkay because (I heard this from a guy named rmah, active on #startups) because VC's are WAY better salesmen than you or I will ever be. 564055;1395099496;ninjashogun;they sell their funds to their LP's (limited partners) 564056;1395099512;ninjashogun;that's why those people play those "retarded games". 564057;1395099535;benkay;so you want to run the same scam here? 564058;1395099536;ninjashogun;But when Mark Zuckerberg was at Harvard and scamming some guy with a map site out of $2000 that he used to partly build Facebook.... 564059;1395099546;ninjashogun;benkay - no, I don't seek investment here 564060;1395099548;benkay;lottery argument. 564061;1395099550;benkay;fails. 564062;1395099554;ninjashogun;and I also think that ughlol is wrong to do so. 564063;1395099583;ninjashogun;benkay - the lottery argument is that it's a net loss. But the whole of the PE (private equity) market is a net gain (for all participants). It's an inflating pie. 564064;1395099609;ughlol;I wanted to interact with mircea_popescu .. 564065;1395099610;ninjashogun;When you buy a lottery ticket you get less than a dollar on each dollar you spend. (on average). But investments aren't the same. 564066;1395099623;ninjashogun;ughlol, you can interact with him here. But I woudn't solicit funding at this stage. 564067;1395099629;benkay;kakobrekla: i think tiberius is back 564068;1395099632;ughlol;I agree. 564069;1395099645;ughlol;mircea_popescu: you didn't tell me, you said I need to change the idea. Completely? In what way? 564070;1395099663;mircea_popescu;ughlol do you understand the concept of "rent seeking" ? 564071;1395099676;ughlol;mircea_popescu: quite honestly, no.. 564072;1395099682;Dimsler;well then learn it 564073;1395099688;ughlol;googling it 564074;1395099709;mircea_popescu;yes, well, basically economic activity can be divided in entrepreneurial (which expands the pie) and rent seeking (which redistributes the pie) 564075;1395099715;ninjashogun;benkay- here's a way to think about the 'lottery argument'. Do you think it would be a net gain or a net loss for the economy if we took IBM's market cap -- $192.19B -- converted it to cash, and then funded about $200k into a graduate student's new "company" (about the money Google was funded with). 564076;1395099727;mircea_popescu;your idea is principally of the second type, and as such it requires the usual trappings of rent seeking (ie, power). 564077;1395099734;ninjashogun;And we did that with not just one graduate student (or pair), but we did it with 10,000 of them - all over the world. Per year. For 100 years. 564078;1395099735;ughlol;mircea_popescu: I agree.. yes. 564079;1395099749;ninjashogun;After you do that for 100 years, do you think you produce MORE or LESS net value for the economy than IBM's current value? 564080;1395099760;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun you have your answer ready : vcs do exactly that, and they lag the indexes. 564081;1395099761;benkay;probably less. most grad students are brainwashed rule-followers. 564082;1395099764;mircea_popescu;so no, it'd not be a good idea. 564083;1395099775;ninjashogun;every year 10,000 founders per year seed funded with $200K... for 100 years. 564084;1395099785;ughlol;mircea_popescu: So I would need to create an economic activity that expands the pie 564085;1395099802;ninjashogun;mirceau_popescu- not really. VC's make VERY few seed-stage investments. mostly series A. 564086;1395099805;ughlol;Is that what you're trying to tell me? 564087;1395099808;mircea_popescu;basically. 564088;1395099828;ughlol;okay 564089;1395099834;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun giving money to people for the reason that they're people never ends well. 564090;1395099841;ninjashogun;but my point is that out of those 10,000 companies per year, most years would have SEVERAL that become billion-dollar companies. 564091;1395099853;BingoBoingo;benkay: Don't forget the part where generally grad students are physically, emotionally, and morally broken... Or Aspies 564092;1395099854;mircea_popescu;africa is chiefly a shithole today because the west has been dilligently observing a progreamme of giving them "free" shit. 564093;1395099859;mircea_popescu;there's nothing more expensive than free. 564094;1395099861;ninjashogun;Hell, YCombinator funds just 43 startups per year, also has seed funding of only $150K, and has already produced two billion-dollar companies (dropbox and airbnb) 564095;1395099865;ughlol;mircea_popescu: do you have any suggestions on how I may modify the idea to expand the pie instead of redistribute it? 564096;1395099868;ninjashogun;and that's with just 43 startups per year. 564097;1395099868;Dimsler;must support liberia 564098;1395099875;Dimsler;the real africa americans 564099;1395099887;mircea_popescu;ughlol notrly. you're not known well enough for me to do anything like that. 564100;1395099887;Dimsler;you can blame terrorist mandela 564101;1395099890;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo, that's an important point 564102;1395099893;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo, but they're often aspies who develop importnat proprietary technology. 564103;1395099894;Dimsler;for the ongoings in africa 564104;1395099897;benkay;ninjashogun: the notion that ughlol is founder material falls on its face when he dances like a monkey in here asking "how ams i even make money guys?" 564105;1395099898;mircea_popescu;stick around, learn, make sense, over time you may become useful. 564106;1395099915;benkay;but yeah, learning, working, delivering. 564107;1395099918;benkay;those things matter. 564108;1395099925;ughlol;mircea_popescu: done. Will do :) 564109;1395099933;ughlol;and benkay :P that was funny. lol. 564110;1395099943;benkay;glad you have a sense of humor 564111;1395099949;benkay;if only ninjashogun were educable 564112;1395099956;ninjashogun;benkay - as I probably mentioned, ughlol is not "founder material", today, in several senses. He is in India, with a very poor VC network, he is currently a university student who has never run a business, and he does not have a personal network that makes him investable. I don't necessarily suggest investing in him today. 564113;1395099956;benkay;he might learn a thing or two from you 564114;1395099985;ughlol;he was just standing up for me benkay.. :) 564115;1395099997;benkay;hey guys i'm going to copy whatsapp 564116;1395100000;benkay;can i list on mpex? 564117;1395100003;ughlol;lol 564118;1395100012;*;ughlol slaps benkay with a stinky trout 564119;1395100014;ughlol;:P 564120;1395100022;benkay;it's going to be worth 20B 'cause facebook bought the other one for a lot of money 564121;1395100029;ughlol;LMFAO 564122;1395100032;ughlol;do i really sound like that? 564123;1395100032;BingoBoingo;benkay: WhatSnatch, the all vag chat network 564124;1395100038;benkay;ur all gonna miss out on this one 564125;1395100039;mircea_popescu;wetsnatch ? 564126;1395100050;benkay;k boarding plaane 564127;1395100052;benkay;later all 564128;1395100061;ninjashogun;ughlol, however notice how many of those questoins are addressed if you juts create a business (with no funding) and start getitng users? Then you are already in some sense an experienced (if first-time)founder, as well as having a real track record of shipping code (sometihng benkay was asking about.) 564129;1395100069;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'snatchat.' 'twatter.' 564130;1395100096;ughlol;ninjashogun: I agree. I will get to that immediately. :) 564131;1395100113;ughlol;at least then, Dimsler might think im not just some random scammer 564132;1395100117;mircea_popescu;lol 564133;1395100119;mircea_popescu;snotchat 564134;1395100121;Dimsler;oh shutup 564135;1395100123;Dimsler;you're a random scammer 564136;1395100127;ughlol;they insult, bit at least I can learn something 564137;1395100130;ninjashogun;ughlol it doesn't matter what Dimsler thinks or (more likely) says 564138;1395100131;ughlol;I love you too Dimsler 564139;1395100142;ughlol;true 564140;1395100143;ninjashogun;ughlol, you can't learn much here 564141;1395100148;ninjashogun;you can mostly learn to keep things confidential 564142;1395100155;ughlol;haha 564143;1395100158;ughlol;true, that 564144;1395100181;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.0036 = 0.1872 BTC [+] 564145;1395100182;ninjashogun;For example, notice if instead of your actual idea you had said, you have an idea for a local app based on a new way of connecting people. Then they can't object. They would sound like idiots, because there is no way that EVERY possible local app is a bad idea. 564146;1395100193;ninjashogun;they don't really have enough information - never give them enough information to act like an idiot. 564147;1395100196;mircea_popescu;every possible local app is a bad idea. 564148;1395100198;mircea_popescu;now what ? 564149;1395100203;ughlol;Hmm, thats true. 564150;1395100207;ughlol;lol mircea_popescu :P 564151;1395100213;ughlol;you just have to argue huh? 564152;1395100218;ninjashogun;now you sound like you're kididng, mirceau :) 564153;1395100218;ughlol;thats what I like about rich people 564154;1395100224;ughlol;they just dont give a fuck! :D 564155;1395100228;ughlol;and thats awesome! 564156;1395100236;mircea_popescu;druggies are the same way. 564157;1395100242;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 183 @ 0.0036 = 0.6588 BTC [+] {2} 564158;1395100244;ughlol;lol 564159;1395100253;mircea_popescu;anyway : there isn't a magical word manipulation thing that makes businesses. 564160;1395100254;ughlol;mircea_popescu: maybe youre a mix of both? 564161;1395100267;mircea_popescu;i suspect i'm the only clean one here actually. 564162;1395100272;ughlol;haha 564163;1395100275;ughlol;yeah right 564164;1395100295;only_;mircea not even alcohol? 564165;1395100332;mircea_popescu;i drink, sure. but that's a drug now ? 564166;1395100336;mircea_popescu;seems sugar'd have a better shot. 564167;1395100340;ughlol;rofl 564168;1395100404;ninjashogun;ughlol, above where you agreed that you should just build it (by yourself, no funding). with a web app it should be possible. thousands of people have done that. 564169;1395100407;ninjashogun;however it is still hard 564170;1395100431;ninjashogun;for example (this is laugh-worthy) I have just used vagrant to get a PHP server up. I've never used PHP (used Python a bit, as well as C++ and Perl). 564171;1395100440;ughlol;Yes, I'll work hard towards developing a prototype and getting users. 564172;1395100441;ninjashogun;to get from where I am today to an MVP will probably take me a month. 564173;1395100446;ughlol;maybe then mircea_popescu would be interested! :) 564174;1395100447;ninjashogun;it's really hard. 564175;1395100451;ninjashogun;ughlol, doubtful 564176;1395100454;ughlol;lol 564177;1395100468;ninjashogun;however as I mentioned to you there are a TON of sources of interest to you once you have users. 564178;1395100468;ughlol;maybe other investors? 564179;1395100477;ughlol;Yes, true. 564180;1395100495;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun a dubious proposition. look at the recent business insider refinance, 564181;1395100500;mircea_popescu;or look at the sad history of digg 564182;1395100511;ninjashogun;just a few include: angellist, kickstarter and indiegogo, sell gold or points, b2b deals or referral fees, there is even crypto stock if you want to raise online funds. 564183;1395100518;ughlol;and mircea_popescu, thanks for pointing out that rent-seeking thing.. I think I understand what you mean. :) I'll work on changing the idea and creating a prototype! <3 564184;1395100525;ughlol;ah well, need to go now guys 564185;1395100528;ninjashogun;what do you mean on - business insider refinance? 564186;1395100530;mircea_popescu;ughlol how old are you anyway ? 564187;1395100540;ughlol;will visit here more often! :D You guys are stuck up, but real fun! :D 564188;1395100542;ughlol;mircea_popescu: 19 564189;1395100546;ninjashogun;oh 564190;1395100547;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20657 @ 0.00088369 = 18.2544 BTC [-] {3} 564191;1395100549;ninjashogun;I thought you were about 21 564192;1395100559;ughlol;I look real old dont I :/ 564193;1395100561;ughlol;damn. 564194;1395100563;ninjashogun;you should definitely ship anything. 564195;1395100563;mircea_popescu;eh, whatever you do it's gonna be good for you. 564196;1395100564;only;much love ughlol, don't give up the good fight 564197;1395100585;ughlol;thanks only!! :) 564198;1395100590;ughlol;mircea_popescu: <3 ^_^ 564199;1395100593;only;lol 564200;1395100596;ughlol;cya later guys 564201;1395100601;ninjashogun;just remember not to say enough to make your startup more specific than a category, then you can never receive a "no" and will interest people who can work on it or help you with it. 564202;1395100615;Dimsler;oh yeah 564203;1395100618;ninjashogun;if they're not interested you can get a firm no right away without also hearing that you're an idiot. 564204;1395100620;Dimsler;teach him how to be abetter scammer 564205;1395100630;ughlol;Will definitely keep that in mind ninjashogun! Thanks for the introduction here, and sorry that your rep went down. 564206;1395100637;ughlol;Dimsler: yeah yeah, blah. I love you too. Happy? 564207;1395100648;ughlol;Dont get butthurt because I forgot to say I love you. 564208;1395100668;ninjashogun;Dimsler, I think some aspects of recruiting cofounders, investors, and even customers, have something in common with 'scamming'. So is putting an MVP up. 564209;1395100669;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00368 = 0.1509 BTC [+] 564210;1395100685;ughlol;cya later everybody! :) 564211;1395100698;ninjashogun;There was a story about an MVP with fake buttons that didn't do anything - they just said "Download as Excel File" for example and see who clikced on it to guage interest. 564212;1395100701;ughlol;bye ninjashogun, mircea_popescu, Dimsler <3, only!! :) 564213;1395100706;ninjashogun;that's a "scam" because it exposed functionality that was a lie. 564214;1395100710;only;cheers mate 564215;1395100719;ninjashogun;but it helped the startup hone in on what the market wanted. 564216;1395100734;ninjashogun;Likewise, I've talked with MANY people associated with YCombinator-backed startups (the most famous incubator) and worked for one. 564217;1395100744;ninjashogun;Many early employees report that founders are full of "half-lies". 564218;1395100766;ninjashogun;I agree. The job of a founder is to create a half-lie, and the job of the cofounders and early employees is to add the other half. 564219;1395100787;ninjashogun;+ of the investers, and in some cases the customers who are early adopters and willing to put up with buggy-ass #$#@$ 564220;1395100798;ninjashogun;because they believe in the vision. 564221;1395100799;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: SEC piece: the use of rsa signing is not unknown among u.s. bureaucrats; 564222;1395100823;asciilifeform;but it is generally limited to DOD desk-flyers, and uses an ms-outlook plugin 564223;1395100836;asciilifeform;key is kept on a card 564224;1395100845;asciilifeform;read by winblows driver 564225;1395100848;mircea_popescu;oh great. 564226;1395100852;asciilifeform;used to have one myself. 564227;1395100865;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun what's the problem with being called an idiot iyo ? 564228;1395100924;asciilifeform;card had mug shot and a serial number (for being taken prisoner, among other things! because contractors can also star in beheading vids.) 564229;1395100948;mircea_popescu;anyway, this vapid "half lie" model, and all the cruddy webapps/mobile apps stuff has very little life left in it, even in the fiat world. 564230;1395100948;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, well the main problem is that you need to reserve your hardest edge for when you need it the most. I've spend very long hours discussing very deep technical points without calling something "idiotic". It can be broken, wrong, unexpected, totally incompatible, etc. Those words are more specific. 564231;1395100950;mircea_popescu;this isn't the fiat world. 564232;1395100957;asciilifeform;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Img-card-topology-front.png 564233;1395100989;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, and more importantly those words allow the problem to be fixed. 564234;1395101010;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, my 'half-lie' model applies to everything that is new and being built. 564235;1395101013;ThickAsThieves;i did end up with some with some ATC, but haven't had the chance to keep up with it. it seems without tender loving care it cannot thrive. 564236;1395101016;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what they use that as a sort of cardano ? 564237;1395101019;ninjashogun;There are a TON of errors that are always hidden and swept under the rug. 564238;1395101038;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun no , it does not. it has nothing to do with anything other than the particular way the usg implements welfare for a certain subset of the youth population. 564239;1395101043;ninjashogun;The image of a startup is like a duck -calm above the water but paddling like hell underneath. 564240;1395101065;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, sorry what are you talking about not working? 564241;1395101072;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves so you're basically like thickoshi... abandoned it ? 564242;1395101094;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun none of the examples you cut out of the real world and pasted onto your model as "eventual upper bound results" have anything to do with the model itself. 564243;1395101102;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Mabe try loving it again? 564244;1395101103;ThickAsThieves;i'm more likely to " 564245;1395101109;ThickAsThieves;come bacl" 564246;1395101109;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, could you be more specific please! 564247;1395101115;ThickAsThieves;i will 564248;1395101117;ThickAsThieves;probably 564249;1395101118;mircea_popescu;the vc circus as you represent it has not produced facebook, has not produced google, will never produce anything. 564250;1395101127;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think it takes hash of something and signs it (with embedded key) then shits it out 564251;1395101128;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, I'm sorry you are factually mistaken. 564252;1395101135;asciilifeform;api is half-documented somewhere 564253;1395101145;mircea_popescu;well then we can end this conversation right here 564254;1395101157;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59825 = 2.393 BTC [-] {2} 564255;1395101158;asciilifeform;a little like the 'opengpgsmartcard' but more winblowsy 564256;1395101160;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, let's walk through it. If Facebook had been the same in every way, except Mark Zuckerberg was transplanted to be an Oxford student instead (same skills, same drive, same ideas) - what would have happened? 564257;1395101160;ThickAsThieves;if i had access to reliable and worthy crypto developers i'd have probably spat out several companies and things by now 564258;1395101181;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun counterfactuals are good for reddit masturbation. this isn't a good venue for it. 564259;1395101199;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, the ansewr is very simple. he would not have gotten an investment or interest from peter thiel. Or any VC. And nobody outside of 10,000 people would know the word "facebook". 564260;1395101216;ThickAsThieves;problem is i'm not ready to commit to being a "CEO" of anything 564261;1395101216;ninjashogun;It shows you very clearly the role that VC money plays. 564262;1395101216;mircea_popescu;and oyu know this because why 564263;1395101218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5901 = 1.7703 BTC [-] {2} 564264;1395101220;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in case this isn't obvious, it is trivial to patch a chump's ms-outlook to color a mal-signed message the requisite colour. 564265;1395101235;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wait but isn't that illegal ?! 564266;1395101236;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was 'pki' crapola all the way down 564267;1395101238;asciilifeform;haha 564268;1395101242;mircea_popescu;lol. 564269;1395101256;ThickAsThieves;well that's *one* of my problems... 564270;1395101264;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, I've lived in Boston, New York, San Francisco, Paris, Berlin (a bit) as well as some Eastern European cities. I've been interested in startups in all of them, have worked for one in the first dot-com bubble in the 90's. I can tell the difference between different climates and how people behave in them. 564271;1395101267;asciilifeform;thing worked exactly the way alert reader would expect it to. 564272;1395101268;mircea_popescu;you don't understand dood, i read in the guardian that the us caught a bunch of russian spies by displaying a dazzling array of technical superiority. 564273;1395101282;asciilifeform;rusty staples? 564274;1395101283;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun or so you think. 564275;1395101299;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform remember the hot ukrainian chick ? anna whatever ? 564276;1395101305;asciilifeform;aha 564277;1395101335;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, let me put it to you like this. If ughlol were farther along, and actually already convinced 10 engineers at his university to be 'cofounders' for equity totalling 5%, 95% to him (which would show GREAT founder skill) and got some traction. HIs company would still probably die, and those 10 people would leave. Because he is in India. 564278;1395101355;mircea_popescu;you know what a non sequitur is ? 564279;1395101366;ninjashogun;Now you repeat hte same thing in Cal Tech and he has a term sheet for $1M at $3M valuation within 3 weeks of launch. 564280;1395101383;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/07/us-swaps-russian-spies-for-russian.html 564281;1395101384;ninjashogun;and his company may OR MAY NOT die. But if it takes off, it's (in part) due to investor sentiment. 564282;1395101397;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah them 564283;1395101426;ninjashogun;To use another example. Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak built what turned out to be $500B company in very large part on the investment climate in the area. 564284;1395101438;ninjashogun;if they were two kids doing hte same thing in just about any part of the world, they would have nothing 30 years later. 564285;1395101462;mircea_popescu;jesus god. 564286;1395101472;mircea_popescu;dude, you know like a thin sliver of the pudding top. 564287;1395101486;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, yes, I know this. 564288;1395101497;ninjashogun;I know it from trying to build a hardware business, and suddenly seeing that none of that sliver is interested. 564289;1395101497;mircea_popescu;well so then stop hopping up and down on it 564290;1395101499;mircea_popescu;it's damned thin 564291;1395101517;asciilifeform;hasty pudding, no less. 564292;1395101528;mircea_popescu;here's a little known anecodte, kinda instructive as to the sort of guy jobs was : 564293;1395101529;asciilifeform;(for many years i thought 'making hasty pudding' meant 'shitting one's pants.') 564294;1395101555;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, in a lot of ways it's enshrined into the way MANY people think. Some of it is legal (only accredited investors can be targeted; accredited investors display groupthink). Other parts of it are cultural - a lot of people just feel the same way. 564295;1395101561;mircea_popescu;actually look at that, it's on wikipedia. 564296;1395101566;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakout_(video_game) 564297;1395101567;ozbot;Breakout (video game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 564298;1395101571;mircea_popescu;grep for bushnell offered 564299;1395101582;ninjashogun;ok 564300;1395101584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.00368 = 0.5042 BTC [+] 564301;1395101592;ninjashogun;is this about the money jobs didn't share? 564302;1395101659;mircea_popescu;no, it's about wozniak working his ass straight for 700 bucks, over 4 days. 564303;1395101671;mircea_popescu;that comes down to... 7 dollars an hour. 564304;1395101676;mircea_popescu;now tell me again about "the environment" 564305;1395101696;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, the way I interpret that is that Steve Jobs used the $5000 to start Apple and make his friend a billionaire. 564306;1395101707;mircea_popescu;woz was never a billionaire. 564307;1395101713;ninjashogun;No? 564308;1395101741;ninjashogun;fine, a $100Millionaire 564309;1395101810;ninjashogun;More to the point - for our purposes - you would not have lent the young Steve Jobs $5000 yourself, even if he had to repay 10x the amount, 50x the amount, 100x the amount, ore ven 500x the amount (at any point in the future) All of which would have been in his power. 564310;1395101823;ninjashogun;instead, he had to scam his friend for it. Just like Zuckerberg had to scam some map guy out of $2000. 564311;1395101862;asciilifeform;'had to' ? jean valjean ? 564312;1395101866;ninjashogun;steve jobs could have borrowed $5000 from you and relent 500x as much. But you wouldn't have been interested. That is $2.5M. 564313;1395101878;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, yes, "had to" 564314;1395101880;mircea_popescu;you're on to creating counterfactuals about me now ?! 564315;1395101889;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.00368799 = 0.2545 BTC [+] {2} 564316;1395101894;mircea_popescu;what's this, risk taking for fun and profit 564317;1395101946;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, fine. Lend me $17,000 now and at some point in my career I will repay you 500x (8.5M). I am 30 now and it has to be in the next 30 years. 564318;1395101986;mircea_popescu;so you're zuck now ?! 564319;1395102007;ninjashogun;I don't have to be zuck to repay $8.5M. Tens of thousands of people can do it, not just a few hundred billionaires. 564320;1395102017;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: is roughly a pound of flesh, with reasonable blood loss acceptable security? 564321;1395102022;mircea_popescu;i wish us schools went back to teaching logic and shit instead of all this self esteem and marketing bs they do 564322;1395102059;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: get a credit card? 564323;1395102070;only;lol 564324;1395102071;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: sell motorcycle? 564325;1395102077;asciilifeform;17k isn't a fortune 564326;1395102092;ninjashogun;I don't htink $8.5M is a fortune. if I had that in cash today I wouldn't sit on it, I would do further startups. 564327;1395102095;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: One problem is mainstreaming, all the US students get exposed to the special ed curriculum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstreaming_%28education%29 564328;1395102110;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: you said you wanted 17k 564329;1395102117;ninjashogun;That doesn't mean I consider it a lot of money. 564330;1395102133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.003688 = 0.284 BTC [+] 564331;1395102134;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: if you know how to turn it into 8.5M, then borrow it from whoever 564332;1395102143;asciilifeform;the local mob, if you must 564333;1395102144;mircea_popescu;"We survive on donations averaging about 50 lei. Now is the time we ask. If everyone reading this right now gave 25 lei, our fundraiser would be done within an hour." 564334;1395102146;mircea_popescu;fuckwits 564335;1395102156;mircea_popescu;they can harp about obscure currency nobody heard about, they still won't bow to bitcoin 564336;1395102157;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I don't know how to turn it into $8.5M. If I did I wouldn't be talking about the next 40 years, would I? 564337;1395102177;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, likewise steve jobs did not know how to make a $500B company when he was 25. 564338;1395102194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00088165 = 23.9809 BTC [-] {3} 564339;1395102219;ninjashogun;sorry, next 30 years ;-) 564340;1395102229;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "Access to a special education classroom, often called a "self-contained classroom or resource room", is valuable to the student with a disability." 564341;1395102238;mircea_popescu;so if it's valuable to X, why should Y pay for it ? 564342;1395102250;mircea_popescu;how great is this, they've invented the free lunch (again) 564343;1395102266;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I am not interested in being involved with the local mob. You seem to consider this a short-term thing, but that's not at all what I stated, is it? 564344;1395102309;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, "then borrow it from whoever". Funny how that goes, isn't it? That loan is how I came into this channel. It doesn't work like that. 564345;1395102324;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Cause self esteem. Seriously this shit started in the 1980's 564346;1395102329;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: if you live in usa, just about any bank will give you a credit card good for $20K+ 564347;1395102335;asciilifeform;but, you gotta pay it back 564348;1395102343;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think you have to have a residence and income 564349;1395102352;asciilifeform;am i mistaken in my understanding that you don't like the 'paying back' part ? 564350;1395102352;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I'm from the USA but at the moment I'm not living there, I've been working on my proprietary hardware startup in a much lower-income country. 564351;1395102368;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, yes, you are quite mistaken in your understanding that I don't like the paying back part. 564352;1395102383;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: then why not go to a bank? 564353;1395102392;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, because I don't have assets? 564354;1395102403;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, because I've been working on my startup for no salary? 564355;1395102433;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, because banks don't consider incorporated companies with assigned intellectual property to be meaningful collateral? 564356;1395102435;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: if you take some employment (even temporarily) bank will lend you $. 564357;1395102479;ninjashogun;I don't have the time to take employment, even temporarily. Two months ago I was invited to give a demo with the working prototype as part of closing a $150K investment. I need to finish it. 564358;1395102492;asciilifeform;i'm not the least bit of 'rockefeller' but i shred & throw out 3-4 unsolicited 'platinum' cards in the snailmail every week or so 564359;1395102504;asciilifeform;they try to shove these things down your throat here 564360;1395102524;ninjashogun;More to the point, at this point taking the employment you talk of would entail abandoning my team here, all of my work and living arrangements (about $150/month burn rate), as well as somehow moving to an expensive city and working full time there. My startup would cease to exist. 564361;1395102528;asciilifeform;these people salivate, they dream, of lending money 564362;1395102568;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: take one of your loyal men and order him to do it, then 564363;1395102568;mircea_popescu;150/month living arrangements ?! 564364;1395102574;mircea_popescu;that's a very small amount of harem right htere. 564365;1395102608;dub;its funny I dont get unsolicetd cards from my primary bank anymore 564366;1395102624;dub;after my house was burgled and an unopened one was used to defraud them :) 564367;1395102636;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, given my high-risk profile what APR would you (personally) extend me on between $7K-$22.5K (amount I take depends on APR) with no collateral except a registered Delaware C-Corp I'm currently full owner of (100%) going to 90% after an investment clears that I've committed to - the company has intellectual property including a patent that is pending and trademark that has been assigned, as well the equipment I 564368;1395102636;ninjashogun;would spend most of the money on can also become collateral. 564369;1395102682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00368808 = 0.5532 BTC [+] {2} 564370;1395102688;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: around here, you only need collateral in the usual sense for a cash loan, but not for 'revolving credit' 564371;1395102701;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, yes, rent in a very small room in a very large shared apartment, is $111 (after some clever negotiation from me based on how infrequently the room could be rented out due to its size). This includes all eelectricity bills, the Internet (that I'm using now) hot water, gas, utilities. 564372;1395102704;asciilifeform;for the latter, you just need a human with some proof of income 564373;1395102716;mircea_popescu;incredible. 564374;1395102721;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I have no proof of income due to the fact that I have been working without pay for my startups (startup at the moment) 564375;1395102743;ninjashogun;sorry, I meant to write: without pay for my startup (and now startups) - as I started working on the jobs site one after spending more than a month trying to collect the loan I closed 564376;1395102749;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: so you built the mexican factory prior to, rather than after, securing funding. this is not a fatal mistake 564377;1395102754;mircea_popescu;well once your hardwar estart-up succeeds this will be pretty epic material. 564378;1395102763;asciilifeform;just take one of the loyal men and order him to get temporary job and borrow. 564379;1395102776;ninjashogun;I was extended this loan (basically) we did up paperwork for it and then I've been trying to collect it for over 5 weeks without luck. I can't get back in contact wiht the person (after exchanging many forms of contact). so so much after how easy it is to get a loan. 564380;1395102791;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, sorry - I don't get your analogy? 564381;1395102804;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.067 = 0.201 BTC [-] 564382;1395102852;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, oh, you liken my arrangement here to a mexican factory? Well the problem with that is that this is where the development was being done, not production. We ahve a manufacturing partner lined up actually, production will be in China. 564383;1395102875;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I had to make an unbelievable amount of progress to get offered a seed round on a hardware project that has not yet been completed and has no traction. 564384;1395102883;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: traditionally, one first secures capital and only then gets on the hook for business obligations (employees, factory floor, etc.) 564385;1395102901;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, at this point I need the loan in order to get to the stage of prototype that the investors need to test (as part of their due dilligence also) and see in close to the final form factor. 564386;1395102926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.0036944 = 0.1367 BTC [+] {4} 564387;1395102944;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I know how one "traditionally" secures capital, but it is usually against assets such as a house, etc. 564388;1395102966;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, in startups, on the other hand, it's usual to build an MVP using processes that don't scale, and without spending much money, until financing is secured. 564389;1395102975;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: if i were anyone else, i'd swallow this. but i'm doing much the same thing you said you did (hardware startup) but without passing begging hat 564390;1395102987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 84 @ 0.00373263 = 0.3135 BTC [+] {2} 564391;1395102991;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/category/snsa/ 564392;1395102992;ozbot;S.NSA pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 564393;1395103077;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, did you already discuss a $7M investment, implying a valuaiton of $15M, with a VC who has recently made a $400M exit in another consumer hardware company? 564394;1395103078;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: i know what you'll answer: 'having a day job sucks.' and sure. but then you can pay for hardware, prototype runs, etc. without begging 564395;1395103124;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: nope. and i'm not a baron, duke, anything, no titles of nobility 564396;1395103128;asciilifeform;and implied values thereof 564397;1395103131;ninjashogun;I don't mean to say anything about hte level of ambition you have in your hardware startup but usually a certified lab for developing ours costs $60K, which I am going to do on about $8K in used eBay equipment. 564398;1395103157;ninjashogun;(this is certified 2.4 ghz wireless equipment, this portion) 564399;1395103190;ninjashogun;Note that the wireless portion doesn't exist at all. I don't even have a specan (spectrum analyzer). The only eqiupment I developed is with large arduinos, as well as mockups of what it could look like. 564400;1395103193;asciilifeform;sometimes you just can't play. i, for instance, might like to start a pharma company, but i checked my sofa cushions and there is not $1B to be found therein 564401;1395103203;asciilifeform;(which local government requires for clinical trials) 564402;1395103204;ninjashogun;But you can't show an investor a mockup, and a bundle of wires, and say, imagine if the latter looked like the former! 564403;1395103209;asciilifeform;so i didn't start a pharma co. 564404;1395103211;asciilifeform;imagine that 564405;1395103269;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: try 'gold phoenix ltd.' (china) for prototypes. 564406;1395103274;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought you used to be a duke 564407;1395103276;asciilifeform;very reasonably priced and respected 564408;1395103278;asciilifeform;ahahaha 564409;1395103288;mircea_popescu;how's the esteemed mr yarvin these days ? 564410;1395103289;mircea_popescu;still leaking ? 564411;1395103298;asciilifeform;(for those not in the know: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1352) 564412;1395103304;asciilifeform;seems like it. 564413;1395103307;asciilifeform;like a sieve. 564414;1395103308;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, again, this is why I mention that Steve Jobs (a kid who stole $5000 from his best and only friend to start Apple), Mark Zuckerberg (a guy who scammed a map website guy out of $2000 to start facebook), and Larry Page (a poor grad student who had to give $50B away in equity to get an immigrant to code up his Larry Page Rank), also did not have the means to play.They couldn't play. They did anyway. 564415;1395103329;mircea_popescu;maybe we should have a bet : katecraig wood delivers before yarvin's submarine plane stops leaking. 564416;1395103375;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun you know what the selection fallacy is ? 564417;1395103402;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, fine. AirBNB had to sell Cereal. Yes Cereal. To fund their idea of a C2C ebay of Rentals. 564418;1395103408;mircea_popescu;no listen. 564419;1395103417;mircea_popescu;you only know the names of these dudes because you know the names of these dudes. 564420;1395103418;ninjashogun;https://www.airbnb.com/obamaos 564421;1395103419;ozbot;Obama O's: Hope in every bowl 564422;1395103420;ninjashogun;that's what they sold 564423;1395103425;mircea_popescu;you don't know the names of all the dudes that you don't know the names of. 564424;1395103448;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, so how would I learn from them? What use are they to me? 564425;1395103463;mircea_popescu;well, they'd be the use to you that they'd give you a useful picture of the world. 564426;1395103469;asciilifeform;day 1: a certain mr. smith wins lottery, $100M, lights $100 with $100 full of cocaine, on tv. day 2: stinking bum knocks on yer door - 'lend me $5.' you: 'why should i lend to a stinking bum?' bum: 'if i'd had $5, i could've won just like smith' 564427;1395103471;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, also, if my investors don't know of them, i can't leverage their background to get an investment, either. 564428;1395103475;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 94 @ 0.00374 = 0.3516 BTC [+] 564429;1395103476;mircea_popescu;as it is you're proceeding on a very poor sample 564430;1395103523;mircea_popescu;generally, the prisons are full of people who perceived they can't afford to play their chosen game and decided to try and play anyway. 564431;1395103533;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, I think your model is a very, very fair one under normal circumstances. (Such as the Efficient Market Hypothesis.) However, I have very deep theoretical proof that your model is mistaken, and that these founders were in fact leveraging the same opportunity inefficiency that I am. 564432;1395103551;mircea_popescu;well, not a bad way to spend a life. 564433;1395103567;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, I don't know about the criminals, generally they're not very smart. But I do know about founders and creating something. 564434;1395103572;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: so what are you wasting time with us for? go rob someone 564435;1395103592;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I was actually responding to the earlier statement (day 1: ...lottery) with my statement about his model being wrong. 564436;1395103605;ninjashogun;The lottery model of startups is simply mistaken and wrong. 564437;1395103615;ninjashogun;You can know this for a fact ,because 564438;1395103616;mircea_popescu;and evil. 564439;1395103624;ninjashogun;I don't know if it's evil or not but it's factually mistaken. 564440;1395103643;asciilifeform;the lottery model applies when you are (from our point of view) a total wildcard. 564441;1395103658;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: That doesn't mean you can't grab a tire iron and supply a pawn shop with tvs until your enterprize is "funded" 564442;1395103662;mircea_popescu;technically speaking the cards in the deck are a deterministic machine 564443;1395103668;mircea_popescu;so not really any sort of lottery. 564444;1395103679;asciilifeform;it's a lottery to the fellow who doesn't know the rng seed. 564445;1395103683;ninjashogun;You can convince yourself of this fact by being nearly 100% sure that more than $190B in wealth would be created if 10,000 qualified engineering and bioscience etc grad student founders were funded at $200K each for 100 years. It's not a lottery - it's just some unusual percentages. 564446;1395103690;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i wonder why not more people starting businesses from inside a us prison 564447;1395103695;mircea_popescu;they get free food and net access afaik 564448;1395103712;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, the answer is that they do not have the right socioeconomic perspective. 564449;1395103731;mircea_popescu;what's a socioeconomic perspective 564450;1395103744;asciilifeform;afaik the u.s. socialist party was run from inside of a jail for a while. 564451;1395103752;asciilifeform;so for certain values of 'business' - it wurks. 564452;1395103754;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Net access not so much, but... mail and telephones were good enough for IBM 564453;1395103761;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, it's the same reason (to be honest) that very few Romanians found startups and that you would have had far more trouble finidng cofounders if you didnt' want to do it alone, than you would have in (for example), Berlin, Rome, Brussels, London, Paris, Tokyo, etc..... 564454;1395103773;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i thought they had interwebs too, no ? 564455;1395103783;ninjashogun;it's a cultural issue. 564456;1395103804;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Maybe in limited cases, but The US isn't quite Norway or Denmark 564457;1395103823;asciilifeform;i'd venture to guess that there are many romanian startups. just not registered officially. 564458;1395103832;asciilifeform;(with bureaucrats) 564459;1395103833;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, that is part of what I mean 564460;1395103873;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, can you imagine doing due dilligence on a company that isn't even registered? That means only best friends can invest. Your pool of potential investors is literally limited to 7-20 people, no matter who you are in Romania. (Because that's how many people you trust through highschool.) 564461;1395103895;ninjashogun;I'm generalizing, but only a little bit. 564462;1395103902;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.00374 = 0.3964 BTC [+] 564463;1395103903;ninjashogun;It's what was different about Palo Alto, for example. 564464;1395103914;mircea_popescu;i dunno, rav for instance is a romanian startup 564465;1395103917;mircea_popescu;so is gecad 564466;1395103921;mircea_popescu;and a bunch of other stuff. 564467;1395103925;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, I don't mean to pick on Romania. For many of my examples I'm really thinking of Hungary, and using it as an analogy. 564468;1395103928;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: did i just fall through time warp? 'mpex' not built yet? 564469;1395103950;mircea_popescu;ungary is a tiny country. 564470;1395103955;ninjashogun;The question isn't whether it was built - but how many Romanian cofounders or investors were on board? 564471;1395103983;ninjashogun;romania has 21M people in it, Ungary has 10M 564472;1395103988;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem likely you'll ever know that. 564473;1395103990;ninjashogun;so about half the size by population 564474;1395104013;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, well I could just ask you. Not really that interested. 564475;1395104024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29820 @ 0.00088581 = 26.4149 BTC [+] {2} 564476;1395104031;mircea_popescu;every country ends up doing something. while hungary owned porn romania owned computers. 564477;1395104032;mircea_popescu;each his own 564478;1395104039;ninjashogun;:) 564479;1395104057;mircea_popescu;but i know plenty of hungarian folk that really killed it in the 90s 564480;1395104077;ninjashogun;mostly on state privatization though no? 564481;1395104085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5282 @ 0.00088895 = 4.6954 BTC [+] {2} 564482;1395104089;mircea_popescu;no, on porn. 564483;1395104092;ninjashogun;The ones I know that made a killing did so by immigrating to the United States :) 564484;1395104106;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, what does your hardware startup do? 564485;1395104125;ninjashogun;or what are you building? 564486;1395104145;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: a small gizmo, described here: http://trilema.com/snsa-first-product-the-cardano 564487;1395104166;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: it's on mp's site, he's co-author 564488;1395104189;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: http://trilema.com/category/snsa/ 564489;1395104199;ninjashogun;ok 564490;1395104208;ninjashogun;I'm reading that page 564491;1395104229;mircea_popescu;where did pankkake disappear to anyway 564492;1395104262;ninjashogun;that first paragraph isa joke right? ("what's the idea")? like it's pseudo-lofty, right? 564493;1395104265;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That's a very good question 564494;1395104308;ninjashogun;anyway it's a good intro :) 564495;1395104309;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun people who don't have to supervise their own humours to please a third party behave differently than the us norm. 564496;1395104317;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: not joke 564497;1395104330;ninjashogun;It's an intersting introduction. In the end I like it :) 564498;1395104337;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i recall he was prepping for some surgery i hope they didn't end up cutting the wrong part. 564499;1395104351;ninjashogun;I just wasn't sure if the tone is somewhat pseudo- or ironic, or it's meant to be read "straight" 564500;1395104356;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That would be a terrible shame 564501;1395104373;asciilifeform;well, that's how Korolev died 564502;1395104377;mircea_popescu;hahaha 564503;1395104381;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did i actually write that ?! 564504;1395104408;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the intro thing? one of us did 564505;1395104410;asciilifeform;forget which 564506;1395104422;mircea_popescu;me too 564507;1395104426;asciilifeform;lol 564508;1395104451;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7136 @ 0.00015003 = 1.0706 BTC [-] {7} 564509;1395104452;mircea_popescu;half why i even keep that blog, if i didn't write the shit up i'd end up forgetting it all. 564510;1395104457;asciilifeform;same 564511;1395104495;asciilifeform;used to just piss thing out into emacs orgmode but it helps when people harangue you to remember shit. 564512;1395104551;ninjashogun;So, I like the idea very much. 564513;1395104558;ninjashogun;That you've put here. 564514;1395104580;mircea_popescu;http://pando.com/2014/02/24/everything-you-know-about-ukraine-is-wrong/ 564515;1395104581;ozbot;Everything you know about Ukraine is wrong | PandoDaily 564516;1395104585;mircea_popescu;this is like remarkably good. 564517;1395104592;mircea_popescu;im starting to like pando 564518;1395104731;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I have a suggestion for your next version. My suggestion is that the air gap with the computer be maintained, by running (a different brick) that is a wireless access point. You can connect to its wifi and use Firefox on localhost to upload and sign or upload and encrypt/decrypt files, which it would then serve back. This requires a computer with access to WIFI. However, I think in general a network stack 564519;1395104731;ninjashogun;is more resilient than a USB stack against, for example, man in the middle attacks (if someone knows that you will use that usb drive they could put a fake USB controller in that MITM attacks it. 564520;1395104739;ninjashogun;this suggestion isn't for the current version, which as a piece of hardware is great. 564521;1395104745;asciilifeform;'he crowds in Kiev, which can swell up to a million on a good day and are always in the hundreds of thousands, are there out of their own homegrown sense of outrage, not because some State Department bureaucrats willed them there' << author knows, or not, what it costs to feed & shovel shit for 1M-strong crowd ? 564522;1395104783;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: wifi. with ssl, right. troll much ? 564523;1395104796;ninjashogun;it would also save a connect and disconnect. And can be done unobtrusively at a computer, without having to insert a USB stick. 564524;1395104828;ninjashogun;it could also come iwth storage, so that it could be used as a "wireless storage device" (thru the browser). rather than have to plug and unplug a usb stick. 564525;1395104832;asciilifeform;trolling or total ignorance of the engineering realities. which? 564526;1395104841;mircea_popescu;to further save costs, the entire thing could be done over the web, as an app 564527;1395104847;mircea_popescu;with the dongle as a central server 564528;1395104851;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, let me think about this. 564529;1395104859;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform have an aspirin. 564530;1395104885;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, Why not? assume that the other end is in the person's home. Then the wireless key is truly unusable. 564531;1395104910;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'watch this video of Yanukovychs snipers murdering unarmed protesters and tell me who the real fascists' << lol 564532;1395104919;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, in fact it could be set to ONLY sign/encrypt/decrypt the next 1 message or 2 messages. So that it can't be stolen off someone's body, as it's in theri home and will only sign the next 2 things. 564533;1395104947;ninjashogun;I think this would be an interesting application for using one's private key without having it in one's possession. 564534;1395104955;mircea_popescu;definitely. 564535;1395104958;mircea_popescu;could even be an app 564536;1395104977;ninjashogun;:) I undrestand what you're doing with the USB thing. However, I, personally, do not consider USB stacks to be very secure. 564537;1395104982;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, did you vote ? :p 564538;1395104988;mircea_popescu;but srsly, what are your politics on the matter ? 564539;1395104993;asciilifeform;vote? 564540;1395104999;ninjashogun;I think there are a lot of unknowns over USB and it is a frequently underestimated attack vector, with very little security research being done. 564541;1395105004;asciilifeform;22 yrs. in mordor 564542;1395105006;mircea_popescu;yes, there was a referendum neh ? 564543;1395105007;diametric;ninjashogun: but you do configure wifi secure? lol.. 564544;1395105012;diametric;consider even. 564545;1395105044;ninjashogun;I think wifi security has more attention paid to it, yes. Even when it's broken. Many eyes make security deeper. 564546;1395105044;asciilifeform;me mom & pop voted 'nay' in ua indep. referendum in '91. 564547;1395105067;asciilifeform;then we got on the plane. 564548;1395105071;mircea_popescu;how did that split ? 15/85 ? 564549;1395105074;ninjashogun;But this is not to detract from what you've done, asciilifeform (and mircea_popescu ?) Overall the device is a VERY good step. 564550;1395105099;ninjashogun;and I like the basic idea of not having your key on another PC. 564551;1395105103;asciilifeform;92+ 'yay' 564552;1395105126;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: Doesn't Wifi violate the intent of an airgap even if there is "air" involved 564553;1395105139;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo - yes, absolutely. 564554;1395105144;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so what was so bad about independence ? (trying to educate myself) 564555;1395105149;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: our friend is either trolling - or slept in a cave for years 564556;1395105151;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo - you are right and for this reason I probably shouldn't ahve called it an "air" gap. 564557;1395105182;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo, however, it is absolutely doubtless that wifi protocols get roughly 100x as much security research as the usb protocol does. 564558;1395105186;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: decolonialization is fun for some people, less for others. 564559;1395105228;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: I mean why not some sort of cable that might only incidentally happen to function as an antenna, for which shielding is possibly. WHy demand an active antenna throwing your bits around? 564560;1395105276;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo, also, in my personal opinion as a security observer, a man in the middle attack with a PC (or laptop) being opened, and a second usb host being inserted between the real USB and the device, whose purpose is to subtlely alter what is being signed, is a very real risk. 564561;1395105299;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there is a version of the apparatus (exists on my desk only, for foreseeable future) with no cables. slide cards in/out. 564562;1395105304;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo, since this device as described does NOT retain the signed document in memory, it is therefore signing something without knowing what it is, if it has been transferred between the PC and storage medium. 564563;1395105330;ninjashogun;I mean it retains no knowledge of what it signed. The person can't go home and check everything they've signed. 564564;1395105337;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: but in that version, you lose the card crypto 564565;1395105420;ninjashogun;What changes with Wifi? Well, you can still have a man in the middle, but it would be much more prohibitive. It would need a complete access point that connects to the device masquarading as the computer, while exposing itself to the computer and hiding the true signal from the computer. It's possible, but more difficult. And in the end the computer can do a complete secure session (in javascript with the browser) compl 564566;1395105420;ninjashogun;etely defeating the MITM. 564567;1395105427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06894998 = 0.2068 BTC [+] 564568;1395105441;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: wifi mitm takes all of five minutes to set up. 564569;1395105444;asciilifeform;try it personally 564570;1395105447;asciilifeform;don't take my word for it 564571;1395105447;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: My concern with WiFi is packet capture. 564572;1395105486;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, packet capture is not a concern because you can establish a higher secure channel from Firefox on the computer all the way to the final device. This is possible because hte device can have a known fingerprint. 564573;1395105500;ninjashogun;and it doesn't matter if there are devices in the way. 564574;1395105535;diametric;mircea_popescu: your email exchange with the "SEC" is fantastic. 564575;1395105543;ninjashogun;However, the current version transfers files in the plain over the USB protocol. it is 100% vulnerable to a USB mitm - which could probably be made so small that it almost fits in a usb drive. 564576;1395105553;dignork;ninjashogun, your Firefox will trust almost any certificate, unless you'd verify it manually 564577;1395105556;mircea_popescu;diametric why so ? 564578;1395105557;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: suggested experiment. take a radio transmitter (a household walkie-talkie will do) and transmit, with a computer sitting nearby. 564579;1395105571;asciilifeform;watch the output with a receiver, see the little fuzz on the wave? 564580;1395105583;asciilifeform;our friends at ft. meade call this 'NONSTOP' 564581;1395105588;asciilifeform;(not to be confused with 'TEMPEST') 564582;1395105593;diametric;mircea_popescu: I enjoy your style of writing, and I wonder if she was prepared for that kind of response. I'm highly interested to see if anything else comes of it 564583;1395105597;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, ....? 564584;1395105605;mircea_popescu;she was utterly unprepared, from what i hear. 564585;1395105613;mircea_popescu;the entire social stack was unprepared. 564586;1395105622;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, okay. 564587;1395105624;asciilifeform;i wish i had the energy to explain here, for stone age man, how a radio works 564588;1395105627;mircea_popescu;apparently somehow they still don't see me coming, it's fascinating. 564589;1395105655;asciilifeform;but essence is: there is an amplifier. it takes a small signal, uses it to modulate a carrier wave 564590;1395105670;ninjashogun;dignork, it doesn't matter who firefox trusts. You can run a complete tunnel using javascript all the way to the final end-point. The whole point of PKI is that it doesn't matter who sniffs packets. 564591;1395105670;BingoBoingo;I wonder how Many interns have been charged with reading trilema nao. 564592;1395105691;mircea_popescu;a javascript pki tunnel 564593;1395105691;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I get your point. 564594;1395105694;ninjashogun;sure 564595;1395105709;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo bout a dozen in the bucharest residentura. 564596;1395105711;ninjashogun;it makes sense to me. You can always assume any computer will have javascript, and a wifi. 564597;1395105724;ninjashogun;the wifi connects either a) to your device or b) to a MITM that connects to your device 564598;1395105735;asciilifeform;;;google NONSTOP TEMPEST 564599;1395105735;gribble;An Introduction to TEMPEST - SANS Institute: <http://www.sans.org/reading-room/whitepapers/privacy/introduction-tempest_981>; NSA TEMPEST Documents - Cryptome: <http://www.cryptome.org/nsa-tempest.htm>; NACSEM 5112 NONSTOP Evaluation Techniques - Cryptome: <http://cryptome.org/nacsem-5112.htm> 564600;1395105747;dignork;ninjashogun, your javascript is downloaded by firefox, from forgeable location ... p0wned 564601;1395105838;ninjashogun;dignork - hmmm.. Well, on Mac and Linux you could do an md5sum or sha1sum on the javascript before you run it. On Windows you can only use a custom certificate, signed by yourself, and know the issuer. 564602;1395105852;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: cardano is optionally usable inside a faraday cage. put that in your pipe & smoke. 564603;1395105854;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06894998 = 0.1379 BTC [+] 564604;1395105867;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, this is not to take anything away from cardano - I like it. 564605;1395105877;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I was just suggesting some directions for version 2 or 3. 564606;1395105888;ninjashogun;(my hardware has future versions as well, that we haven't done any work toward) 564607;1395105893;asciilifeform;'browser'? 'javascript'? 'ssl'? no thanks 564608;1395105911;asciilifeform;i don't have anything against a man who eats turd. but i will eat, and serve my friends, sausage. not turd. 564609;1395105931;asciilifeform;and to me they are not the least bit similar. 564610;1395105932;ninjashogun;Overall I would suggest you consider it due to the amount of security attention that 1) the WIFI stack 2) browser communications, have received. You can leverage that. 564611;1395105937;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: ninjashogun: remember to ground the faraday cage 564612;1395105949;mircea_popescu;yeah, leverage. 564613;1395105969;mircea_popescu;leveraged security is like pretty cool 564614;1395105976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 100 @ 0.0160071 = 1.6007 BTC [-] {6} 564615;1395105978;ninjashogun;what, do you not like the word? 564616;1395105989;BingoBoingo;Like leveraged gambling... Until they come for your kneecaps 564617;1395105996;mircea_popescu;i despise the entire thinking process that got you there. 564618;1395106023;ninjashogun;Fine, you can take advantage of that; you can make us of it; you can profit from it; you can be an indirect beneficiary of it; you can depend on it; you can rely on it; you can take it for granted 564619;1395106031;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu - be so kind as to take care of our dear guest. i'ma lie down now. 564620;1395106032;ninjashogun;make use of* 564621;1395106044;mircea_popescu;i tihnk it's been enough for a day tbh. 564622;1395106044;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, before you go - 564623;1395106046;ninjashogun;what is that APR? 564624;1395106054;ninjashogun;on the $7-$22.5K? 564625;1395106069;asciilifeform;in gringolandia, 20% mebbe. 564626;1395106105;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, if I can have up to a 3 year grace period I would accept that with the full $22.5K. 564627;1395106139;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: Have you considered that rather than leveraging a complex behemoth of other people's work which was produced with the potential of malice towards your intended cause, you could just make something simpler. 564628;1395106155;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo - I always consider the simplest hting that could possibly work. 564629;1395106174;BingoBoingo;Wifi and browsers are never the simplest things 564630;1395106221;ninjashogun;I disagree, I think firefox running javascript is one of the simplest things to develop and target 100% of PC's with. Also it would work on some tablets, which have no USB subcomponent at all, but do have copy and paste and wifi connections. 564631;1395106222;BingoBoingo;For all of the "work" on Wifi and browser security neither is particularly secure 564632;1395106250;BingoBoingo;http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2334572/mozilla-firefox-is-exploited-four-times-at-hps-pwn2own-hacking-contest 564633;1395106251;ozbot;Mozilla Firefox is exploited four times at HP's Pwn2own hacking contest- The Inquirer 564634;1395106254;ninjashogun;on an iPad and iPhone, you can copy the text, connect to the brick's wifi, paste it, copy the result, and then reconnect to your normal wifi. These things don't have a USB stack at all. 564635;1395106285;BingoBoingo;Sure, but your wifi broadcast traves how far from its point of origin? 564636;1395106312;ninjashogun;Again, it doesn't matter if you reimplement PKI over javascript. 564637;1395106320;BingoBoingo;Then your browser can scarcely sandbox javascript? 564638;1395106343;ninjashogun;Better than it can a usb subsystem, yes. 564639;1395106367;ninjashogun;I don't think packet sniffing is a problem if you tunnel over it. 564640;1395106393;ninjashogun;Again, none of this is to take away from the design as I've already read about it here. I like it a lot. 564641;1395106404;dignork;ninjashogun, alternatively, you could tunnel over usb 564642;1395106415;ninjashogun;dignork - yes, it would also be a good idea. 564643;1395106423;ninjashogun;dignork - but then they could no longer treat it as a mass-storage device. 564644;1395106428;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: I'm not defending his design. I'm am suggesting your "improvements" are abominable 564645;1395106448;BingoBoingo;Honestly the improvement from USB would probably be RS-232 564646;1395106463;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo - I learned of this literally 20 minutes ago. My improvements already have something that can at least theoretically work with an iPad and iPhone, which loads of people do their surfing on in the evening, and certainly don't want to keep keys on. 564647;1395106485;ninjashogun;you're on the couch on your iPad, want to sign something an email it. Are you going to keep your key on your iPad? 564648;1395106491;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: Are you familiar with the actual concept of an airgap. 564649;1395106491;ninjashogun;no. 564650;1395106500;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo, Yes, I am. I realize this is not an airgap. 564651;1395106516;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/ 564652;1395106517;ozbot;How to airgap. A practical guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 564653;1395106572;BingoBoingo;It isn't just about the definition of an airgap, but of the motivations behind it as well that make radio the wrong medium for connecting to such boxes 564654;1395106574;asciilifeform;ok i'm back, because this is just too precious. 564655;1395106586;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 263 @ 0.00379999 = 0.9994 BTC [+] {2} 564656;1395106606;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you'll be happy to learn that the box has rs232 now. (ttl level voltage) 564657;1395106613;BingoBoingo;Sweet! 564658;1395106651;BingoBoingo;I have a reason to get another SE/30 564659;1395106670;ninjashogun;on http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/ - I would also suggest running several copies of hte same hardware next to each other. If they're all doing something, how is someone going to know which is the one that is of interest. This can even subvert someone physically ocming in and using it in your absence. 564660;1395106676;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: still gotta yank cables before rsa rom receives power though. 564661;1395106702;ninjashogun;also the EM radiation might be similar when coming off of several similar computers. 564662;1395106713;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That's fine. 564663;1395106756;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: Or just blast the area with cheap crt tv's playing reality shows, sound off. 564664;1395106763;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, by the way don't let the haters take anyting away. All of my suggestoin are at a single layer - and do not in ANY way impact the basic idea you've come up with with mircea_popescu --- which is a VERY good one. I don't really add anything in my suggestoins - it is the same design. You should patent it. 564665;1395106771;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: if you did not know the fact that a radio transmitter radiates not only what you want, but the state of nearby circuit, you know now. 564666;1395106798;asciilifeform;this was a carefully kept secret for decades (if only from american public) so there is no shame in not knowing 564667;1395106824;ninjashogun;the basic thing that you came up with is an escrowed key service embodied in a physical device that does not disclose the key, but uses it and discloses the result. This is a very good invention. 564668;1395106860;ninjashogun;asciilifeform - how could it be kept from the public? Wouldn't every electrical engineer with a scope see it? 564669;1395106867;asciilifeform;perhaps Semmelweis should have patented doctor washing hands. 564670;1395106931;BingoBoingo;It's probably not too late for that 564671;1395106952;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0038 = 0.19 BTC [+] 564672;1395106987;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, the fact is, if you want to get this into millions of people's hands you will have to invest half a million in research and manufacturing. it could be the only secure device in their whole household (if they run windows.) 564673;1395106989;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually dr semmelweis is a major moment in the cultural history of medicine 564674;1395106990;asciilifeform;'U.S. Patent XXXXXXX: Method of preventing cadaverous poisoning using liquid dihydrogen monoxide.' 564675;1395107005;mircea_popescu;when otherwise nice, smart guys realised that they had literally killed hundreds of women 564676;1395107014;asciilifeform;i mentioned S for a reason. 564677;1395107031;mircea_popescu;a major cultural shock, that. 564678;1395107032;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, if you have to compete with Kingston copying your idea then you are dead in the water. You can't even make it to market. 564679;1395107055;ninjashogun;maybe 20 years is too long for a patent to be valid - then consider donating it after 3 years or 7 years. You can assign it to a protective Open Source patent fund. 564680;1395107085;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: I think the point of the Cardano is it serves people who can not even entirely trust the security of *nix systems 564681;1395107114;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo, I like it. It's also something you can unobtrusively carry around. 564682;1395107120;BingoBoingo;Generally that distrust is the sort that comes from an abundance rather than a dearth of knowledge 564683;1395107127;mircea_popescu;"it made me so miserable that life seemed worthless" and so on 564684;1395107141;asciilifeform;if kingston, ibm, fuck, elektronika, were physically capable of building cardano, you would already have one. 564685;1395107148;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo - in the eventual wifi version, no one would have to know that you even use it. if being surveilled by site, it wouldn't be obvious that it's on your person. (or whether it is). 564686;1395107166;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, that's not true. They don't like to innovate. 564687;1395107171;asciilifeform;there is an engineering term, 'ullage' 564688;1395107172;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, but they do love to use other people's innovations. 564689;1395107173;asciilifeform;do you know it? 564690;1395107181;ninjashogun;me? no. 564691;1395107188;asciilifeform;it's the key ingredient in hydrogen bomb, for instance. 564692;1395107200;asciilifeform;it means, roughly, 'emptiness' 564693;1395107208;asciilifeform;a correctly-shaped absence of something. 564694;1395107213;dignork;ninjashogun, take RasPI, hook up wifi dongle and build one, maybe someone will buy, why arguing? 564695;1395107253;bitcoinpete;All done mircea_popescu 564696;1395107254;ninjashogun;dignork - you misinterpret my tone if you think I'm arguing. I like the idea of the Cardano very much, I think it's a genuine, useful, good, and non-obvious innovation, and I encourage asciilifeform in building it and getting it to market. 564697;1395107257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06894998 = 0.6895 BTC [+] {2} 564698;1395107258;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/mircea-popescu-the-sec-wont-let-me-be/ 564699;1395107258;ozbot;Mircea Popescu: “The SEC Won’t Let Me Be.” Or, “I’ve Been Expecting You.” | When Bitcoin 564700;1395107272;asciilifeform;required reading: 564701;1395107273;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299 564702;1395107274;ozbot;Loper OS » Don’t Blame the Mice. 564703;1395107291;asciilifeform;if you could take raspi or whatever, remove the mystery meat, add analogue rng - you would not need cardano. 564704;1395107305;ninjashogun;dignork - further I don't have any problem with it in the current form. I think asciilifeform should patent it. I also suggest he work on just one layer of the solution, which is the physical transport layer, and consider bluetooth or wifi. 564705;1395107313;asciilifeform;but if you take raspi, or pc on your desk, or whatnot, and remove the diseased meat, you will have... an empty crate. 564706;1395107325;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete now the work of submitting to hn and the smokinggun and so on begins :D 564707;1395107330;ninjashogun;dignork, but for the next version. 564708;1395107338;ninjashogun;dignork, after selling thousands of this one :) 564709;1395107361;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: you were told about 'nonstop' and continue to suggest radio transmitters. inattention, or willful ignorance ? 564710;1395107363;asciilifeform;which is it 564711;1395107407;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I told you? You can consider the link totally insecure and still use it....? 564712;1395107426;asciilifeform;radio carries bits from nearby wires. do i have to draw a picture, or what ? 564713;1395107453;dignork;ninjashogun, you missed the point, transmission creates side-channel leak 564714;1395107459;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, the way a tunnelled layer works, is it's OK to give a copy of every bit to an Evesdropper, they still can't make out the plain text. 564715;1395107477;asciilifeform;not merely the wires connected to the radio, carrying payload. nearby. 564716;1395107484;ninjashogun;dignork - are you saying that hte presence of WIFI will leak the CPU state? 564717;1395107486;asciilifeform;am i speaking chinese? what part of this isn't clear 564718;1395107500;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, are you saying that the presence of WIFI will leak the CPU? 564719;1395107505;asciilifeform;yes. 564720;1395107525;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/e6dc76047ffec4f107c5d9e99de80c14/tumblr_ml1px0eVbl1sn68hmo1_1280.jpg 564721;1395107526;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, the paper that proved that also suggested mitigation strategies... 564722;1395107561;asciilifeform;there is a very simple mitigation strategy. you don't need to burgle ft. meade to learn it. 564723;1395107571;asciilifeform;it's the one we use. 564724;1395107618;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, OK. If you think it is impossible to prevent WIFI from broadcasting the full contents of the CPU and RAM then you would have to design around it to make my suggestion possible, which may be too difficult. 564725;1395107701;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu cool. just submitted it to smokinggun. what's hn? 564726;1395107708;ninjashogun;hn is hackernews normally 564727;1395107713;mircea_popescu;hos network 564728;1395107717;ninjashogun;oops 564729;1395107718;mircea_popescu;or hacker news 564730;1395107721;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: sumbit it to /. 564731;1395107722;mircea_popescu;one or the other 564732;1395107755;bitcoinpete;noted :) 564733;1395107756;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo: I hate to be the one to break it to you. I thought you heard. /. had a stroke and is in a nurinsg home :( 564734;1395107763;ninjashogun;nursing 564735;1395107775;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: your homework is to prove, given K bit rsa key with factors P,Q, there exists N, where N is number of bits you need to learn to factor into P,Q in polynomial time. 564736;1395107783;mircea_popescu;for some reason he has a hardon for slashdot 564737;1395107819;BingoBoingo;I'm old 564738;1395107821;diametric;mircea_popescu: that picture is fantastic, i was literally just having a conversation about redheads with someone moments ago. 564739;1395107876;BingoBoingo;https://www.mtgox.com/ 564740;1395107876;ozbot;MtGox.com 564741;1395107879;BingoBoingo;lol 564742;1395107904;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: your second homework is to play ussr national anthem using a pc, c or cpp program, and a shortwave radio. 564743;1395107922;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I've done that :) 564744;1395107923;*;asciilifeform wanders off to play with pet redhead 564745;1395107928;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60989987 BTC [+] 564746;1395107970;diametric;Login to see how many imaginary coins you had 564747;1395107995;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I get your point but obviously if you can learn a single bit of a key, you can learn them all. Not one bit should be leaked, ever. 564748;1395108006;mircea_popescu;diametric i love it too hehe 564749;1395108023;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, anything that leaked one bit, could be repeated until you have them all. It only works if you can't learn any of them, except by brute-forcing all of them together. 564750;1395108127;mircea_popescu;http://pando.com/2014/01/23/the-techtopus-how-silicon-valleys-most-celebrated-ceos-conspired-to-drive-down-100000-tech-engineers-wages/ 564751;1395108127;ozbot;The Techtopus: How Silicon Valley’s most celebrated CEOs conspired to drive down 100,000 tech engi 564752;1395108135;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, further, as a practical matter you are not being asked to transmit a real key. You are just transmitting a stupid session key that is used to sign a single document. And if that session key is used in javascript, which is VERY far from the metal (it's a VM, running in interpreter, JS running in a C++ program, firefox, running on Windows) you would have to have insnae precision on learning exact CPU state. 564753;1395108136;mircea_popescu;lmao this reminds me of the original tucker max wage fixing story. 564754;1395108159;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I don't even mena to "sign" a single document. Just to transmit it. And receive back hte signed version. 564755;1395108207;ninjashogun;personally anyone who could bruteforce all that, while breaking wireless encyrption and your whole network stack, can see the damn document as far as I'm concerned. and they still wouldn't have my private key. 564756;1395108274;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: Maybe you are the wrong audience as you aren't concerned very far 564757;1395108355;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0038 = 0.19 BTC [+] 564758;1395108392;dignork;ninjashogun, as simple as possible, wifi transmitter on key-storage device will leak cpu state of key-handling process, game over. 564759;1395108433;ninjashogun;dignork - but above and beyond what the computer leaks anyway by itself? 564760;1395108447;ninjashogun;dignork - because all computers obviously already leak some information through faint EM 564761;1395108474;dignork;ninjashogun, so you keep your key off your computer, to avoid exactly that 564762;1395108527;ninjashogun;dignork - if what you are saying is true than there should be a huge market for a USB wifi stick that is just 8 feet of shielded USB cable with a power conditioner on either end, so that your wifi transmission happens the fuck away from your CPU. 564763;1395108542;ninjashogun;nobody is this paranoid :) 564764;1395108603;dignork;ninjashogun, that's because a) people store useless trash on their systems and don't care/ b) they calculate the risks and live with it 564765;1395108632;dignork;ninjashogun, c) they're idiots 564766;1395108633;ninjashogun;or c) this is tinfoil hat nonsense :) :) 564767;1395108636;ninjashogun;ooops 564768;1395108637;ninjashogun;lol 564769;1395108650;mircea_popescu;you're in a very poor position to evaluate any of these contingencies. 564770;1395108656;ninjashogun;maybe 564771;1395108667;ninjashogun;I tend to go from first principles. 564772;1395108683;mircea_popescu;lol k 564773;1395108686;ninjashogun;I guess I could radically underestimate how much CPU state a wifi transmission can carry away. 564774;1395108696;ninjashogun;and what distance 564775;1395108729;ninjashogun;it's just that a CPU does so much, you know? it's 2 or 4 cores at 4 ghz with megabytes of just CPU cache and then hundreds of megabytes of active ram and programs 564776;1395108730;mircea_popescu;no, you could radically overestimate how much you understand of what's being discussed. 564777;1395108765;ninjashogun;maybe 564778;1395108780;ninjashogun;I'm trying to invest in some 2.4 ghz wireless equipment (spectrum analyzer among other things) and would be the first time I use one. 564779;1395108782;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5200 @ 0.00015 = 0.78 BTC [-] {3} 564780;1395108796;ninjashogun;I'm currently developing a wireless version of my prototype, and it is true that I am still learning it. 564781;1395108813;bitcoinpete;Haven't used HN before, but here's my shot at it. 564782;1395108814;bitcoinpete;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7419574 564783;1395108823;dignork;ninjashogun, let's say it's a complicated attack, and it costs 1M$, which you don't have, then you can safely assume you shouldn't care :) 564784;1395108843;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1675 @ 0.00015 = 0.2513 BTC [-] {3} 564785;1395108886;ninjashogun;ok 564786;1395108905;ninjashogun;anyway I'd think there's a market for in-between, people (like me) who don't care that much, but would rather not keep a key on a PC 564787;1395108920;mircea_popescu;silent circle ? 564788;1395108921;ninjashogun;or tablet 564789;1395108984;dignork;ninjashogun, but 1M$ is overestimation, if it costs 10K$, should you care? 564790;1395109070;Duffer1;ninja but why would i buy yours over the cardano? 564791;1395109077;ThickAsThieves;<bitcoinpete> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7419574 /// nothing much loads 564792;1395109115;ninjashogun;Duffer1 - it' snot 'mine'. It's a feature suggestion for the cardano v2 or v3. it's still the cardano. 95% would be the same, including the basic invention that they described. 564793;1395109134;Duffer1;oh i see 564794;1395109166;ThickAsThieves;i cant believe you guys are still so weak to trolling 564795;1395109192;ThickAsThieves;ninjashogun ir probly furuknap or some other past annoyance 564796;1395109194;ThickAsThieves;is* 564797;1395109211;mircea_popescu;we're old people. 564798;1395109216;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Prolly Thermos 564799;1395109229;mircea_popescu;old people buy spamvertised dietary supplements and so on 564800;1395109233;ninjashogun;I've introduced myself...? 564801;1395109244;ninjashogun;I'm Robert, as I mentioned. I hadn't talked to you guys before. 564802;1395109262;ninjashogun;I stopped coming here and returned due to ughlol mentioning it. I think you guys are mostly trolling in here (which is fine). 564803;1395109294;mircea_popescu;you're confused. 564804;1395109329;bitcoinpete;ThickAsThieves good call. deleted that one and did a text one instead: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7419618 564805;1395109342;ninjashogun;When I had been coming in here it was following an experience over a similar channel (related to doge) on a loan. As someone here (asciilifeform?) explained, I should have 'no problem' getting a loan of $20K. In fact I did have "no problem" on it, but in the end I couldn't collect it, and had come in here over a few days to see if anyone were interested in the same. 564806;1395109345;Duffer1;ah, i have indeed heard of people drowning fighting their rescuers 564807;1395109363;ThickAsThieves;thats broke too pete 564808;1395109364;ninjashogun;on it->with it 564809;1395109390;mircea_popescu;ninjashogun anyway, you talk too much. 564810;1395109396;ninjashogun;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7419618 is showing as dead for me, bitcoinpete 564811;1395109398;mircea_popescu;ideally you want a 1k to 1 read:written lines 564812;1395109400;ThickAsThieves;ughlol and shogun made it easy to be dismissed, they started every conversation with their hands out 564813;1395109411;blackwhite;evening gents 564814;1395109413;mircea_popescu;so now stfu for a few months and spend hours reading the logs. 564815;1395109418;ThickAsThieves;even after being given links to educate themselves 564816;1395109440;ninjashogun;ThickAsThieves, I read your links. I didn't start any more conversations though. 564817;1395109460;ThickAsThieves;even after being made an example 564818;1395109481;mircea_popescu;mebbe by autumn i feel like clearing my ignore list again or something. 564819;1395109535;thestringpuller;;;seen nubbins` 564820;1395109535;gribble;nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 10 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <nubbins`> most people don't get that far 564821;1395109563;ThickAsThieves;;;seen pankkake 564822;1395109563;gribble;pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 1 day, 23 hours, 10 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <pankkake> reminder http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/12/android_bug_batters_bitcoin_wallets/ 564823;1395109635;ThickAsThieves;musta got rich on ATC and quit the game... 564824;1395109662;mod6;^^^ 564825;1395109690;mircea_popescu;he's now atc rich 564826;1395109697;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.052 = 0.26 BTC [+] 564827;1395109713;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Maybe he's eyebrow deep in pussy http://headfucking.net/headfucking.mpg 564828;1395109758;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0521 = 0.1563 BTC [+] 564829;1395109794;cazalla;BingoBongo: looks like heisenberg 564830;1395109804;Duffer1;oh lawd 564831;1395109850;BingoBoingo;cazalla: It is from his site 564832;1395109875;mircea_popescu;"Two U.S. Air Force commanders in the 422nd Air Base Group at RAF Croughton have been relieved over a loss of confidence in their abilities." 564833;1395109879;mircea_popescu;one wonders what that'd be. 564834;1395109924;ThickAsThieves;they were better at receiving head than giving it 564835;1395109986;mircea_popescu;may have something to do with all the drones the us lost in the ukraine. 564836;1395109991;ThickAsThieves;do you think a scientist stating evolution is a fact is arrogant? 564837;1395110003;mircea_popescu;turns out they are kinda useless in actual military operations. 564838;1395110292;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo, that is hilarious 564839;1395110301;ninjashogun;see you guys later. I'm going off to bed. 564840;1395110307;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0038 = 0.38 BTC [+] 564841;1395110325;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The problem with drones is it is way to tempting to stick them in places where they don't belong. 564842;1395110358;mircea_popescu;i guess people in the us are so starstruck with "technology" they forget they're just little radio planes. 564843;1395110368;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6098974 = 1.2198 BTC [-] {2} 564844;1395110514;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they can sack them, they can shoot them, a kid with $100 of kit can still take the next toy plane home. 564845;1395110538;mircea_popescu;kinda the problem, yes. 564846;1395110548;asciilifeform;i haven't the link, unfortunately, but the story goes: 564847;1395110557;mircea_popescu;the sackings will continue until the dollar improves 564848;1395110560;asciilifeform;that these buggers were originally supposed to use the rsa-signed gps 564849;1395110563;mircea_popescu;btw, what happened ot your sleep 564850;1395110567;asciilifeform;what sleep. 564851;1395110581;mircea_popescu;it's like sex but without moving. 564852;1395110592;asciilifeform;the $ that was supposed to buy the golden toilets (signed gps rx-ers) walked away. 564853;1395110603;asciilifeform;then they fitted consumer gps rx. 564854;1395110612;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.05265349 = 1.4743 BTC [+] {4} 564855;1395110629;mircea_popescu;yeah. 564856;1395110658;asciilifeform;and, until recently, 'predator' video backhaul was... plaintext. 564857;1395110661;dignork;asciilifeform, do you mean the story with fake gps transmitters, which diverted drone? 564858;1395110662;asciilifeform;for a similar reason. 564859;1395110670;asciilifeform;dignork: it. 564860;1395110682;asciilifeform;there are now several such stories. 564861;1395110689;asciilifeform;probably more than i personally know of. 564862;1395110712;mircea_popescu;the word around the backchannels is that the usaf gets back about 2/3 of the drones it sends out 564863;1395110727;asciilifeform;(i'm not a model plane driver for a living, i only know the ones that every idiot knows now.) 564864;1395110729;mircea_popescu;and if this keeps up for another 3-4 years the rest of the world will own more drones than the usg. 564865;1395110779;dignork;asciilifeform, i loled about this story with my friend who builds them for non-US army, and she said that it won't work with their drones, cz they'll fallback into gps-less mode, once there will be delta between compass/altimeter and gps readings 564866;1395110839;asciilifeform;in the '80s, there was quite a bit of $ spent on navigation using optical terrain tracking. 564867;1395110847;asciilifeform;no idea if this survived herr reagan or not. 564868;1395110861;asciilifeform;judging by the use of 'gps' in 'predator', my guess is 'not.' 564869;1395110881;mircea_popescu;yeah contour nav is still used. 564870;1395110902;mircea_popescu;but on large icmb type of things. tehy've not really fittedf it to the 10lb shits yet 564871;1395110916;dignork;asciilifeform, US considers shutting off gps in some cases, so pbbly their drones can work gps-less too. 564872;1395110943;asciilifeform;dignork: this requires fitting receivers for the u.s. proprietary (crypted) gps to all hardware 564873;1395110953;asciilifeform;as it is, they famously lack enough even to supply infantry 564874;1395110960;asciilifeform;because they're $10k each. 564875;1395110971;asciilifeform;(why? ask the folks who make them, not me) 564876;1395110978;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 277 @ 0.00380202 = 1.0532 BTC [+] {3} 564877;1395110983;mircea_popescu;and they still suck. 564878;1395110996;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: one could probably get within 1% of 'gps' by using camera and images mooched from a crawl of 'google earth' 564879;1395111001;asciilifeform;at least over land. 564880;1395111011;mircea_popescu;a lot of their spec is edge cases tho. 564881;1395111024;mircea_popescu;"you need to hit whether there's been a fire or not" 564882;1395111039;asciilifeform;you only need terrain tracking, etc. to correct for accumulated error in inertial (gyro) nav 564883;1395111050;mircea_popescu;many countless ways to throw camnav for a loop, including lulzy things like silly strings 564884;1395111056;asciilifeform;the latter can be had for $5 (it's in every ipnohe etc) 564885;1395111062;asciilifeform;3-axis 'mems' gyro 564886;1395111069;mircea_popescu;nav-ready gyro is expensive. 564887;1395111106;asciilifeform;one that can be used alone ('Brandy Snifter gyro' or mechanical) is costly 564888;1395111121;mircea_popescu;mech is still the golden standard. 564889;1395111125;asciilifeform;solid-state (dollar store 3-axis chip) is adequate if you can occasionally correct. 564890;1395111150;mircea_popescu;i'/d suggest you try this theory out, but instead just lie down D: 564891;1395111160;asciilifeform;other thing 564892;1395111161;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 220 @ 0.00381 = 0.8382 BTC [+] 564893;1395111173;asciilifeform;you don't need elaborate navigation if your target helpfully shouts radio 564894;1395111179;asciilifeform;that you can then triangulate. 564895;1395111210;asciilifeform;(phased array using squadron flying in a triangle 1km on each side, say) 564896;1395111252;*;asciilifeform goes back to play with pet 564897;1395111260;dignork;asciilifeform, i tried 3-axis chip, it had a huge margin of error on a toy q-copter :( 564898;1395111818;mircea_popescu;http://pando.com/2014/03/17/warren-buffett-says-he-wants-to-pay-more-tax-then-structures-a-deal-to-ensure-he-does-the-exact-opposite/ 564899;1395111819;ozbot;Warren Buffett says he wants to pay more tax (then structures a deal to ensure he does the exact opp 564900;1395111878;BingoBoingo;WHat's that thing you say "If you can, you must" 564901;1395111922;mircea_popescu;something like that. 564902;1395111929;mircea_popescu;decent write-up on the topic tho 564903;1395111947;mircea_popescu;this pando stuff is like a breath of fresh air, it almost reads like press from before digital ruined it all. 564904;1395112415;mircea_popescu;"OP, I know cryptostocks makes it seem as though starting your very own security is a sort of past time accessible to anyone who'd like to try, sort of like adopting a pet fish. This has nothing to do with bitcoin securities in fact and everything to do with play-pretend exchanges exploiting those who'd like to try but aren't ready for one reason or another." 564905;1395112418;mircea_popescu;i gotta hire this woman. 564906;1395112472;Duffer1;is she not already on payroll? 564907;1395112487;mircea_popescu;o hey. 564908;1395112491;mircea_popescu;time machine ftw. 564909;1395112504;Duffer1;oh ^.^ 564910;1395112522;mircea_popescu;lol 564911;1395112564;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06894978 = 0.1379 BTC [-] 564912;1395112625;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00382 = 0.382 BTC [+] 564913;1395112991;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46814 @ 0.00089084 = 41.7038 BTC [+] {2} 564914;1395113418;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06894986 = 0.1379 BTC [+] 564915;1395113601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0059705 = 0.2985 BTC [-] {3} 564916;1395114150;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30497 @ 0.00089043 = 27.1554 BTC [-] 564917;1395114201;benderp;so i dunno what happened but i pooped out a 3kword monster 564918;1395114227;benderp;it's kinda rough as these airplane pieces can be 564919;1395114240;benderp;uhh wide ranging too 564920;1395114240;benderp;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/17_the-sec-doth-breach-itself-upon-the-rocks-of-mpex-and-popescu-himself.html 564921;1395114241;ozbot;The SEC doth breach itself upon the rocks of MPEx, and Popescu himself 564922;1395114333;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.003849 = 0.3349 BTC [+] 564923;1395114516;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.00385 = 0.6661 BTC [+] 564924;1395114720;mircea_popescu;how was your flight 564925;1395114769;mircea_popescu;meanwhile back at the ranch, bitbet invented a whole new kind of hell. 564926;1395114770;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#b94 564927;1395114771;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment 564928;1395114794;mircea_popescu;and bc.info is still down. 564929;1395115179;bitcoinpete;benderp: fantastic article. quite enjoyed "engaging in nefarious activity to palp the testicular fortitude of the people who matter and actually set policy in Bitcoin" 564930;1395115296;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay "the secret discovery of these techniques was for the Tyrant merely a happy accident" << it was in fact. rsa was invented by some brit guy, kept under lock and key unused for 4 decades. 564931;1395115296;gribble;The operation succeeded. 564932;1395115339;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: guesses on what's up at bc? 564933;1395115360;mircea_popescu;they probably lost a hard drive, didn't have a proper array and can't restart till they fsck 564934;1395115408;Duffer1;http://www.extremetech.com/computing/178529-this-is-what-the-death-of-moores-law-looks-like-euv-paused-indefinitely-450mm-wafers-halted-and-no-path-beyond-14nm 564935;1395115408;ozbot;This is what the death of Moore’s law looks like: EUV rollout slowed, 450mm wafers halted, and an 564936;1395115409;mircea_popescu;random guess. their pr is mtgox-level atrocious, which is kinda sad after all these trilema articles on the topic 564937;1395115454;LordPutin;thisisagood read atm even goatgetsmentioned - http://www.scribd.com/doc/210845161/SEC-vs-pirateat40-1 564938;1395115464;bitcoinpete;indeed 564939;1395115474;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 this is kinda endemic, each nm size had it 564940;1395115480;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://pando.com/2014/03/17/the-war-nerd-everything-you-know-about-crimea-is-wrong-er/ 564941;1395115488;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: considerably more interesting 564942;1395115491;bitcoinpete;i'm off for the eve, cheers 564943;1395115492;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00088815 = 7.9934 BTC [-] 564944;1395115494;mircea_popescu;i linked that earlier! not so bad read 564945;1395115508;asciilifeform;if i recall you had the 'wrong' piece 564946;1395115511;asciilifeform;vs. 'wrong-er' 564947;1395115512;mircea_popescu;o i did ? 564948;1395115515;mircea_popescu;oh i c 564949;1395115523;mircea_popescu;skimming ftw. 564950;1395115604;LordPutin;ahh ok 564951;1395115614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 462 @ 0.00385 = 1.7787 BTC [+] 564952;1395115662;asciilifeform;this is my very first encounter with an english-speaking anybody who read Limonov. 564953;1395115707;asciilifeform;'Limonov and his friends consider themselves Russians, because to them, Ukrainian is a village tongue, a peasant language, and its most vivid expressions are of the endless hatred that filled every one of the many tribes on the grasslands, like this one: Into Muscovite, Polack, and Jew/Take your knife and stick it through.' 564954;1395115717;LordPutin;despoisiton is pretty fun to read 564955;1395115830;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so what's your take on the holodomor ? 564956;1395115919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.003872 = 0.2207 BTC [+] 564957;1395115942;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: j. c. scott's 'art of not being governed' (which is entirely about asia, incidentally, and mentions this not at all) is the best guide; 564958;1395115974;asciilifeform;what should fuhrer do when his kingdom breaks into cities (starving) and countryside, which needs nothing from the cities 564959;1395115986;asciilifeform;in light of an urgent need to industrialize and resist conquest 564960;1395116033;mircea_popescu;i can readily see how something like that would create plenty of national identity. 564961;1395116041;mircea_popescu;"we are the people you tried to kill, and we will bury you" 564962;1395116058;asciilifeform;that's russia in 1 sentence. 564963;1395116069;asciilifeform;since 14th c. or so. 564964;1395116090;mircea_popescu;anyway, good point in pando article, re the "party line". it suffers from spina bifida, and will crumble into dust 564965;1395116096;asciilifeform;granted, being on receiving end isn't terribly fun. 564966;1395116112;mircea_popescu;(one of the best predictors of who will be defeated in any conflict is see whose messages don't manage to coallesce, displaying instead dualities) 564967;1395116155;asciilifeform;related: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-madness-of-president-putin.html 564968;1395116166;chetty;Is there a bitbet yet on when it formally becomes war? 564969;1395116185;asciilifeform;'Western meds aren't working any moreon itself or anyone else.' 564970;1395116229;mircea_popescu;chetty i doubt anyone has the nazi esprit de corps to actually declare wars anymore. 564971;1395116258;asciilifeform;the 'international komoonity' doesn't war. it drive-by shoots. 564972;1395116315;chetty;Putin is set to respond to Obama's sanctions of Russian officials with his own list. Several U.S. Senators and officials will be banned from visiting Russia, including Sen. Dick Durbin. 564973;1395116365;mircea_popescu;im curious how much us t's is russia holding in offshore accounts 564974;1395116404;mircea_popescu;because if they do hold enough they're going to trigger a contest with the chinese as to who dumps them first 564975;1395116414;mircea_popescu;and that, for the first time since 2008, is actually a clear path tho the end. 564976;1395116426;chetty;its like school yard fights ... oh yeah, your mother wears combat boots 564977;1395116463;mircea_popescu;"The two versions of RussiaMcCains gas station masquerading as a country and Lakes fearsome conquerorboth start from the same bitter knowledge, even if Senator McCain and Mr. Lake will never admit that fact in public. Its a simple one: Russia will take Crimea, wont pay a big price for it, and theres not a thing anyone can do about it." 564978;1395116468;mircea_popescu;myeah. 564979;1395116598;asciilifeform;'Russia promised to respond symmetrically. In its arsenal is: popping the huge financial bubble and causing a resumption of the financial collapse of 2008 by any number of means, from requiring gold instead of fiat currency as payment for oil and gas, to dumping US dollar reserves (in concert with China), to putting the EU on a fast track to economic collapse by giving the natural gas valve a slight clock 564980;1395116598;asciilifeform;wise twist...' 564981;1395116631;mircea_popescu;nah, they're never stoppin gthe gas. putin is much too smart for that. 564982;1395116648;mircea_popescu;they may add a say 30% surcharge for any us exports just for fun tho. 564983;1395116651;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: argentina! clever fellow, you are. 564984;1395116667;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'wisdom is hopping on the train a day before everybody else' (leo szilard) 564985;1395116668;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i just get my news earlier than everyone else that's all. 564986;1395116712;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00387264 = 0.3873 BTC [+] {2} 564987;1395116793;mircea_popescu;"Russia finished the final stage of the East Siberia-Pacific Ocean (ESPO) Pipeline in 2013." 564988;1395116803;mircea_popescu;this is actually a very good point. putin also gets his news early. 564989;1395116895;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1181 @ 0.00088407 = 1.0441 BTC [-] 564990;1395116895;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0038741 = 1.1622 BTC [+] {2} 564991;1395116906;mircea_popescu;Eto myf aahaha 564992;1395116924;mircea_popescu;Это миф he means. 564993;1395117066;benkay;ah so then i guess not really a product of the usg then, mircea_popescu 564994;1395117091;benkay;anyways, flight was great - *my* pet redhead is making steaks, and then we're off to the wine bar to seduce the flight attendant 564995;1395117130;mircea_popescu;;;google clifford cocks 564996;1395117130;benkay;(i give it a 1/10 - fukken blasted from a weekend with family; barely capable of satisfying the one i have) 564997;1395117130;gribble;Clifford Cocks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Cocks>; Q&A: The encryption pioneer who was written out of history ... - PC Pro: <http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/security/361669/q-a-the-encryption-pioneer-who-was-written-out-of-history>; Wired 7.04: The Open Secret: <http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.04/crypto_pr.html> 564998;1395117139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00088766 = 27.8725 BTC [+] {3} 564999;1395117161;mircea_popescu;the disadvantage of being a loyal servant of a small yet arrogant country. 565000;1395117322;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.003874 = 0.7748 BTC [-] 565001;1395117363;benkay;oh also saint paddy's day so doucheparade is out 565002;1395117369;benkay;no flight attendants for meee :( 565003;1395117787;mircea_popescu;benkay ironically, i would say the average paid per webpage today far exceeds the height of the dot com bubble. 565004;1395117789;benkay;;;later tell bitcoinpete nice to see someone reading closely. 565005;1395117789;gribble;The operation succeeded. 565006;1395117796;mircea_popescu;what did the obamacare webjournal cost again ? 565007;1395117799;benkay;whaaaat really? 565008;1395117809;mircea_popescu;just think. now the govt is buying. 565009;1395117810;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.60988391 = 4.2692 BTC [-] {3} 565010;1395117813;benkay;we do shit for 50-100k that woulda run in the millions a decade ago. 565011;1395117832;mircea_popescu;but most of the shit we do today costs 5mn, and would have cost 500 to make 15 years ago. 565012;1395117837;benkay;;;later tell bitcoinpete let me know when you find the joke about mircea_popescu's cock 565013;1395117838;gribble;The operation succeeded. 565014;1395117863;mircea_popescu;take the pando chick (who apparently is actually the tard that did that horror interview with zuckerberg) : 565015;1395117864;benkay;what sorts of things are you talking about now? 565016;1395117876;mircea_popescu;http://pando.com/about/ 565017;1395117877;ozbot;Why I Started PandoDaily | PandoDaily 565018;1395117898;mircea_popescu;Ive paid a WordPress designer named Sara Cannon $8,000 to build this site. 565019;1395117955;benkay;i'm thinking more along the lines of 2fa implementations 565020;1395117973;benkay;which coulda been did for nothing with gpg 565021;1395117994;mircea_popescu;8k for a wp "design". you hear me ? 565022;1395118007;mircea_popescu;and this is a start-up, by some journo chick which supposedly knows what time it is. 565023;1395118036;chetty;well given the million for the Ocare site, sounds cheap :P 565024;1395118046;chetty;millions* 565025;1395118065;mircea_popescu;if you average it all out... it costs more today than it did in 2002. 565026;1395118083;benkay;the design stuff? 565027;1395118110;mircea_popescu;per site 565028;1395118111;benkay;implying it could be had for less and that honey was ripped off? 565029;1395118113;mircea_popescu;as a business concept. 565030;1395118121;chetty;and somehow they all look the same .. 565031;1395118127;mircea_popescu;also, you ever heard the word panopticon before ? 565032;1395118151;chetty;its where we live, the perfect prison 565033;1395118187;benkay;i have! 565034;1395118210;benkay;(i was briefly educated by people) 565035;1395118238;mircea_popescu;aok 565036;1395118306;benkay;can't say as much stuck, and i missed out on the apparently crucial canings... 565037;1395118315;benkay;but yeah panopticon is the thing lurking in that post 565038;1395118363;benkay;http://modelviewculture.com/pieces/the-myth-of-the-non-technical-startup-employee 565039;1395118363;ozbot;The Myth of the Non-Technical Startup Employee, by Zoelle Egner | Model View Culture 565040;1395118394;benkay;i always figured the ops people were interchangeable by virtue of their labor being by and large totally fungible 565041;1395118430;benkay;the ones whose labor wasn't, weren't. granted those are "controllers" and what have you, not "office managers" or "directors of employee happiness". 565042;1395118466;mircea_popescu;a good office manager can be worth a lot 565043;1395118470;mircea_popescu;it really all depends 565044;1395118514;benkay;hm yeah 565045;1395118552;benkay;trying to figure out the knobs on the "how to get coffee made for me and a whole bunch of other shit done too for not a terrific amount of money" 565046;1395118597;mircea_popescu;they're not borrowing at 0 565047;1395118601;mircea_popescu;they're borrowing at 0.25 565048;1395118614;benkay;a ty 565049;1395118622;benkay;pretty close, tho 565050;1395118667;mircea_popescu;mhm. 565051;1395118702;benkay;baaaasically zero compared to the btc rate 565052;1395118704;benkay;which, hey 565053;1395118720;benkay;what is the borrowing rate these days? 565054;1395118728;mircea_popescu;For one, nobody knows how many dollars exist in the world, and furthermore one can never trust the government to not simply double the number of dollars in circulation, thereby halving the value of your savings (provided you were stupid enough to actually keep them in cash). 565055;1395118732;mircea_popescu;that's only half the story. 565056;1395118752;mircea_popescu;"thereby halving the value of cash savings, and piling a ton of taxeable "capital gains" on your non cash savings" 565057;1395118765;benkay;oh ho 565058;1395118765;mircea_popescu;if i own a sheep worth 10 dollars today, and the fed prints another 20 trillion dollars 565059;1395118774;benkay;oh god 565060;1395118784;mircea_popescu;i will have then owned a sheep worth 10 dollars + 10 mnore dolars in unrealised gains. 565061;1395118834;benkay;oh i get it 565062;1395118858;mircea_popescu;and that second part is really the big part. 565063;1395119090;cazalla;i thought pando was backed by that techcrunch guy 565064;1395119098;benkay;arrington? 565065;1395119109;cazalla;yeah 565066;1395119119;mircea_popescu;nah, just some chick he maybe shagged 565067;1395119132;benkay;his name's on the investors list is it not? 565068;1395119139;mircea_popescu;(under his aol contract he can't possibly start a pando) 565069;1395119142;mircea_popescu;sure, 565070;1395119146;mircea_popescu;read through the lines here. 565071;1395119147;cazalla;stumping up 8k for the design might be a cover for that 565072;1395119462;mircea_popescu;benkay http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/ 565073;1395119478;mircea_popescu;this being written as a sort of pulp fiction-esque prequel of today's lineup. 565074;1395119501;mircea_popescu;that and of course, http://trilema.com/2014/the-letter-third/ too. 565075;1395119583;benkay;i'm sorry, i do not understand. 565076;1395119642;mircea_popescu;i ain't spoiling it for you. 565077;1395120128;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 903 @ 0.00049 = 0.4425 BTC [-] {2} 565078;1395120358;benkay;there's more in the queue for today? 565079;1395120632;mircea_popescu;a, no. 565080;1395120637;mircea_popescu;im off to bed. 565081;1395120799;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.003874 = 0.2557 BTC [-] 565082;1395120860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20180 @ 0.00088151 = 17.7889 BTC [-] {2} 565083;1395120921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00379396 = 3.794 BTC [-] {9} 565084;1395121104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00051296 = 0.513 BTC [+] {4} 565085;1395121187;dexX7;;;seen VanCleef 565086;1395121187;gribble;VanCleef was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 13 hours, 10 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <VanCleef> hehe tat 565087;1395121409;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 236 @ 0.00044055 = 0.104 BTC [-] {12} 565088;1395121471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 767 @ 0.00040712 = 0.3123 BTC [-] {19} 565089;1395121531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00387399 = 0.1278 BTC [-] 565090;1395122385;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00374 = 0.1683 BTC [-] {2} 565091;1395122446;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.0037 = 0.1517 BTC [-] {3} 565092;1395125008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2564 @ 0.00389647 = 9.9905 BTC [+] {14} 565093;1395125618;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00389999 = 0.1872 BTC [+] 565094;1395125740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 142 @ 0.00389999 = 0.5538 BTC [+] {3} 565095;1395127448;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00080303 = 7.3879 BTC [-] 565096;1395127936;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2500 @ 0.00399343 = 9.9836 BTC [+] {7} 565097;1395129340;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6098979 = 2.4396 BTC [+] 565098;1395129400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+] 565099;1395130288;KRS-1;http://imgur.com/gallery/fMoj3jD 565100;1395130289;ozbot;I met a certain Senator Al Franken this weekend and my friend saw an opportun 565101;1395130498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00080303 = 9.9576 BTC [-] 565102;1395130559;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61399 BTC [+] 565103;1395130846;LordPutin;is this asicminer news good or meh? 565104;1395130912;BingoBoingo;What news? 565105;1395130944;LordPutin;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438359.msg5759952#msg5759952 565106;1395130946;ozbot;[ANN]ASICMiner Publicly Looking for Potential Customers/Partners for New Chips 565107;1395131047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61399 BTC [+] 565108;1395131156;jurov;0.00213451 565109;1395131163;jurov;0.00213451 565110;1395131173;jurov;http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/18/bitcoin-bitstamp-pantera-idUSL3N0ME26A20140318?feedType=RSS&feedName=usDollarRpt 565111;1395131174;ozbot;CORRECTED-Fortress-linked Pantera invested $10 mln in Bitstamp - Bloomberg 565112;1395131230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00079863 = 20.2852 BTC [-] 565113;1395131231;jurov;so it's the same company as made XRP? 565114;1395131474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00079863 = 8.1061 BTC [-] 565115;1395131657;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 475 @ 0.00395 = 1.8763 BTC [-] 565116;1395131779;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 420 @ 0.00213452 = 0.8965 BTC [+] 565117;1395131962;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00399745 = 11.9924 BTC [+] {4} 565118;1395132084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00405911 = 4.0591 BTC [+] {10} 565119;1395132145;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 745 @ 0.00408876 = 3.0461 BTC [+] {6} 565120;1395132206;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 180 @ 0.00408899 = 0.736 BTC [+] {4} 565121;1395132267;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.004089 = 0.1063 BTC [+] {3} 565122;1395132314;LordPutin;lol why are people buying neobee? danny is in a coma 565123;1395132620;dexX7;jurov: i don't think so, but i'm surprised, too. http://www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-got-10m-fortress-linked-hedge-fund-last-year-bloomberg/ this is a more detailed article, but still doesn't mention ripple's role. guess they also received a slice of the cake. 565124;1395132898;dexX7;LordPutin: strange, fc's post disappeared 565125;1395132944;dexX7;nice leak hehehe 565126;1395132967;LordPutin;yeah it is gone :/ 565127;1395132999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.61514333 = 3.6909 BTC [+] {3} 565128;1395133060;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4312 @ 0.004089 = 17.6318 BTC [+] 565129;1395133061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6199 BTC [+] 565130;1395133166;dexX7;mirror: https://www.dropbox.com/s/o87zbble4z5fkhq/AM%20BE200%20Datasheet%20-%20Google%20Drive.pdf 565131;1395133304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00408999 = 0.409 BTC [+] 565132;1395133365;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 488 @ 0.004089 = 1.9954 BTC [-] 565133;1395133377;LordPutin;still dont know if its this is good news or meh 565134;1395133608;dexX7;this is good news =D 565135;1395134275;Duffer1;avalon gen3 chip launch and active mining big announcement scheduled for same day..... 565136;1395134499;LordPutin;active mining is still relevant? 565137;1395134528;dexX7;i didn't know that. did avalon already publish the spec? 565138;1395134577;Duffer1;actm is a never ending labcoin 565139;1395134618;dexX7;^ agreed 565140;1395134644;dexX7;but i didn't follow. i think auto said "it's legit".. but i have my doubts 565141;1395134646;Duffer1;http://avalon-asics.com/ 565142;1395134646;ozbot;Avalon ASIC - Leading Bitcoin Auditing Equipment 565143;1395134664;Duffer1;actm? i sincerely doubt it's legit 565144;1395134703;dexX7;someone visited ken or so 565145;1395134719;Duffer1;i know several labcoin victims are also actm bagholders, i hope for their sake i'm wrong 565146;1395134739;dexX7;yea, same here 565147;1395134872;auto2nr1;hey 565148;1395134875;auto2nr1;whats going on guys 565149;1395134889;LordPutin;how come labcoin got away with it? 565150;1395134895;auto2nr1;damn labcoin 565151;1395134934;Duffer1;they haven't LP 565152;1395135228;auto2nr1;hey duffer1 565153;1395135230;auto2nr1;you still up? 565154;1395135244;Duffer1;yea i'm still not sleeping well 565155;1395135274;dexX7;you're from the us, right? 565156;1395135286;Duffer1;ya west coasxt 565157;1395135552;LordPutin;what do you mean they haven't? Are they facing legalaction? 565158;1395135592;Duffer1;there are people working on it, but no arrests made afaik 565159;1395135600;Duffer1;yet 565160;1395135607;LordPutin;ahh ok 565161;1395135685;dexX7;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325431.0;all 565162;1395135688;ozbot;labcoin lawsuit 565163;1395135712;LordPutin;thanks 565164;1395135723;LordPutin;i hope they get bent over 565165;1395135752;dexX7;haha yea, we all do 565166;1395136476;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00408997 = 0.1063 BTC [+] 565167;1395136659;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00590853 = 0.6499 BTC [-] {6} 565168;1395137269;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00408997 = 0.3272 BTC [+] 565169;1395137330;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1754 @ 0.00409269 = 7.1786 BTC [+] {5} 565170;1395137940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.066001 = 0.33 BTC [+] 565171;1395137941;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.619945 = 3.7197 BTC [+] {3} 565172;1395138367;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06500004 = 0.13 BTC [-] 565173;1395138855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1316 @ 0.00008385 = 0.1103 BTC [+] {7} 565174;1395138917;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 240 @ 0.00417446 = 1.0019 BTC [+] 565175;1395139343;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00590004 = 0.1003 BTC [-] {3} 565176;1395139526;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00417446 = 0.1044 BTC [+] 565177;1395139710;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00417446 = 1.2523 BTC [+] 565178;1395140380;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00417446 = 0.1252 BTC [+] 565179;1395141112;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 119 @ 0.00417446 = 0.4968 BTC [+] 565180;1395141539;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 36 @ 0.62196995 = 22.3909 BTC [+] {8} 565181;1395141600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3152 @ 0.00079699 = 2.5121 BTC [-] 565182;1395141661;blackwhite;Kids make coins by exercising. The energy they create gets used to mining. 565183;1395142698;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.053 = 1.007 BTC [-] 565184;1395144040;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3470 @ 0.00079863 = 2.7712 BTC [+] 565185;1395144127;mircea_popescu;;;tslb 565186;1395144130;gribble;Time since last block: 1 minute and 44 seconds 565187;1395144252;LordPutin;does mpex have a internship program? 565188;1395144284;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.62998999 = 3.7799 BTC [+] {2} 565189;1395144289;mircea_popescu;yes. 565190;1395144296;mircea_popescu;o wow look at that, bcinfo still down 565191;1395144310;LordPutin;oh cool, where does one apply? 565192;1395144380;mircea_popescu;here. 565193;1395144400;LordPutin;oh ok, i'm nervous 565194;1395144599;Mats_cd03;i hope you have a tie on 565195;1395144627;Mats_cd03;i hear mircea_popescu is a fashionista 565196;1395144693;mircea_popescu;definitely. 565197;1395144894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.00080226 = 29.1622 BTC [+] 565198;1395144911;ughlol;Mats_cd03: yeah, look at his twitter background, for example! 565199;1395145073;LordPutin;i like versace 565200;1395145087;LordPutin;they have a good quality 565201;1395145260;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1871 @ 0.00015996 = 0.2993 BTC [+] {4} 565202;1395146224;ThickAsThieves;;;estimate 565203;1395146225;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | 4687115861.98 based on data since last change | 4794469217.54 based on data for last three days 565204;1395146232;ThickAsThieves;;;bcstats 565205;1395146236;gribble;Current Blocks: 291165 | Current Difficulty: 4250217919.8695 | Next Difficulty At Block: 292319 | Next Difficulty In: 1154 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 29 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4687115861.98 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.27942 565206;1395146414;mircea_popescu;holy shit 10% 565207;1395146436;Apocalyptic;did you expect any less ? 565208;1395146483;ThickAsThieves;itll be more like 17-22% by the time it changes 565209;1395146524;mircea_popescu;was a bet about 10% neh ? 565210;1395146553;ThickAsThieves;that thered be one less than 10 565211;1395146555;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/596/btc-difficulty-to-increase-by-less-than-10/ 565212;1395146556;ozbot;BitBet - BTC difficulty to increase by less than 10% 565213;1395146559;mircea_popescu;yeah. 565214;1395146578;mircea_popescu;i was rooting for it :p 565215;1395146619;ThickAsThieves;I suspect AM's gen3 chips will hit the scene in a week or 3 565216;1395146663;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06500003 = 0.26 BTC [-] {2} 565217;1395146927;dexX7;do you still have board member rights? 565218;1395146933;dexX7;well, don't answer. 565219;1395146936;dexX7;but i agree 565220;1395146948;ThickAsThieves;I do not 565221;1395146960;ThickAsThieves;I own no AM shares 565222;1395146967;ThickAsThieves;dun dun dun 565223;1395147005;dexX7;yep, the ownership was changed 565224;1395147056;ThickAsThieves;I consider it to be grossly overvalued 565225;1395147072;dexX7;friedcat leaked (?!) the specs of the chip earlier 565226;1395147079;ThickAsThieves;who knows 565227;1395147151;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.004002 = 0.1401 BTC [-] 565228;1395147188;ThickAsThieves;currently AM is valued at 252,000BTC, or $151,200,000 565229;1395147225;dexX7;what was mpex' market cap again? 565230;1395147246;ThickAsThieves;higher 565231;1395147280;ThickAsThieves;1b shares 565232;1395147295;ThickAsThieves;802260BTC 565233;1395147305;BingoBoingo;;;calc 0.00080226 * 1000000000 565234;1395147305;gribble;802260 565235;1395147308;ThickAsThieves;$481,356,000 565236;1395147328;dexX7;ah 565237;1395147351;ThickAsThieves;I think AM is at least more obviously overpriced 565238;1395147385;ThickAsThieves;the hardest part of both is valuing the intangibles 565239;1395147434;ThickAsThieves;how long will Friedcat persist? how much of an advantage does he really have? will he achieve dominance in the market? 565240;1395147453;LordPutin;tat how come you left am? 565241;1395147466;ThickAsThieves;Many reasons 565242;1395147483;ThickAsThieves;mostly related to representing them via a passthrough 565243;1395147488;ThickAsThieves;and how I no longer wanted to 565244;1395147523;LordPutin;ahh ok, thanks 565245;1395147535;LordPutin;yeah way over valued 565246;1395147559;ThickAsThieves;whereas with MPEx, while it is no claim to MP's personal wealth 565247;1395147561;ThickAsThieves;, 565248;1395147573;ThickAsThieves;it does have access to his influence 565249;1395147587;ThickAsThieves;what is Apple without Jobs? 565250;1395147595;ThickAsThieves;etc 565251;1395147622;ThickAsThieves;while it has* no claim 565252;1395147779;only;please excuse my ignorance, but who runs havelock? 565253;1395147795;LordPutin;yeah true apple is truely lost without jobs 565254;1395147797;ThickAsThieves;The Panama Fund 565255;1395147804;ThickAsThieves;truly* 565256;1395147809;only;yes, but who is behind it? 565257;1395147820;BingoBoingo;Who knows? 565258;1395147822;ThickAsThieves;they have a phone number 565259;1395147827;ThickAsThieves;call them and ask 565260;1395147877;BingoBoingo;Why did Dr. Banner become the Hulk, yet Dr. Slotin the closest thing the Hulk has to an opposite? 565261;1395147957;LordPutin;i tried calling them but some guy called Dave from fbi picked up 565262;1395147975;ThickAsThieves;lol 565263;1395148117;ThickAsThieves;LTC seems to be showing signs of life again 565264;1395148124;ThickAsThieves;apparently the Chinese love it 565265;1395148162;LordPutin;yeh? 565266;1395148174;ThickAsThieves;http://bigstory.ap.org/article/frozen-1600-years-antarctic-moss-revived 565267;1395148175;ozbot;Frozen for 1,600 years, Antarctic moss revived 565268;1395148178;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Convert them to ATC. 565269;1395148180;ThickAsThieves;It was nice knowing everyone 565270;1395148203;ThickAsThieves;in a few days we'll all be Creep Show moss monsters 565271;1395148278;ThickAsThieves;BingoBoingo, I have a feeling that nationality of the creator plays a part in their interest in LTC 565272;1395148284;ThickAsThieves;alas, I am not Chinese 565273;1395148306;ThickAsThieves;maybe I can rally the Portuguese instead? 565274;1395148310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.62999 = 2.52 BTC [+] 565275;1395148316;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: How do they know that? Maybe they will find it an exotic creation of the mythical "Florida Man" 565276;1395148332;ThickAsThieves;gawd... 565277;1395148340;ThickAsThieves;that's the biggest reason i hate living in florida 565278;1395148342;LordPutin;i'm 1/3 gay, chinese and muslim, i win in the future 565279;1395148346;ThickAsThieves;the notion that i'm actually from here 565280;1395148373;ThickAsThieves;I'm not 565281;1395148377;BingoBoingo;Oh, a Jewish New York retiree then? 565282;1395148382;ThickAsThieves;lol 565283;1395148387;BingoBoingo;Cuban? 565284;1395148413;ThickAsThieves;afaik there is only one major place the Portuguese reside on the East Coast 565285;1395148429;ThickAsThieves;Massachusetts 565286;1395148482;ThickAsThieves;http://www.city-data.com/top2/h55.html 565287;1395148482;ozbot;Top 101 cities with the most residents born in Portugal (population 500+) 565288;1395148554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63266333 = 1.898 BTC [+] {2} 565289;1395148600;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: You'd think that without a delimiter, some Portugese cities might be on the list... 565290;1395148615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.63470833 = 7.6165 BTC [+] {2} 565291;1395148642;ThickAsThieves;"We've collected and analyzed data from numerous sources to create as complete and interesting profiles of all U.S. cities as we could. " 565292;1395148676;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63849999 = 1.277 BTC [+] {2} 565293;1395148764;ThickAsThieves;Apparently Rhode Island has more in total 565294;1395148772;ThickAsThieves;but RI is pretty much MA 565295;1395148837;BingoBoingo;Imma still working on the MP emails post. 565296;1395148866;ThickAsThieves;do you have an angle not covered by Benkay and bitcoinpete? 565297;1395148920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 122 @ 0.00409999 = 0.5002 BTC [-] 565298;1395148956;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: There's always at least a third angle 565299;1395149056;ThickAsThieves;then i look forward to it! 565300;1395149099;BingoBoingo;And there's definitely room for saying the same things in another tone and with different words. Even if nearly the same essential thing is said. 565301;1395149107;LordPutin;so um whats a good investment? 565302;1395149117;LordPutin;i really need to pay for my daughters surgery soon 565303;1395149273;ThickAsThieves;health insurance? 565304;1395149278;ThickAsThieves;a job? 565305;1395149295;BingoBoingo;An MD? 565306;1395149307;BingoBoingo;Residency? 565307;1395149329;BingoBoingo;"Soon" is really much too short of a timeline to invest for. 565308;1395149334;LordPutin;i mean in bitcoin securties 565309;1395149347;ThickAsThieves;we know 565310;1395149399;LordPutin;please help shes dying 565311;1395149418;bitmia;so ugh, I've been skimming the logs for quite a while. there's no point in doing a multisig Bitcoin marketplace, is there? 565312;1395149435;BingoBoingo;Nothing can promise positive returns on the timeline of soon. Not even things which might probably realize a positive return on the timeline of, quite a ways in the future. 565313;1395149450;BingoBoingo;bitmia: No real reason for multisig at least 565314;1395149505;LordPutin;i'm so scared, i failed her as a father 565315;1395149530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00613809 = 0.6138 BTC [+] {5} 565316;1395149560;bitmia;well, at least some hot wallet protection + a guarantee we won't run with user's money 565317;1395149644;bitmia;given the fact we publish the escrow on github and make it possible to check the hash sum 565318;1395149652;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.00406885 = 0.4313 BTC [+] {4} 565319;1395149696;bitmia;does it make sense? 565320;1395149713;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 93 @ 0.00409999 = 0.3813 BTC [+] 565321;1395149774;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00080507 = 26.4868 BTC [+] {2} 565322;1395149794;BingoBoingo;bitmia: Well, either you can be trusted to run a marketplace or you can't. Maybe some people trust you and some don't. 565323;1395149867;bitmia;when people are forced to take a leap of faith, conversion suffers 565324;1395149891;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20pnl2/a_hacker_defrauded_an_ottawa_bitcoin_exchange_of/ 565325;1395149896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00391354 = 0.7827 BTC [-] {9} 565326;1395149918;nubbins`;http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/Ottawa+bitcoin+exchange+defrauded+cyber+currency/9628321/story.html 565327;1395149919;ozbot;Ottawa bitcoin exchange defrauded of $100,000 in cyber currency 565328;1395149922;nubbins`;^ canadianbitcoins.com 565329;1395149926;ThickAsThieves;too slow! 565330;1395149939;ThickAsThieves;by like 15 secs 565331;1395149949;ThickAsThieves;that's topace's thing 565332;1395149971;ThickAsThieves;hopefully he can rape the provider for his losses and then some 565333;1395150011;bitmia;BingoBoingo: so what do you consider bad in doing a multisig one? usability? 565334;1395150084;BingoBoingo;bitmia: Well, what would you want the multisig to do that couldn't otherwise be accomplished? 565335;1395150107;bitmia;BingoBoingo: nothing, it's an extra 565336;1395150156;bitmia;to increase conversion 565337;1395150210;BingoBoingo;bitmia: Well, what ways are there to do what multisig does which would be both A) less of a hassle and B) accomplish your goal more effectively 565338;1395150263;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves nubbins`: Dat Social engineering 565339;1395150296;bitmia;BingoBoingo: encrypt buyer's privkey on the server using his password, automatically sign the transaction with the seller's key, show the buyer a flashy "finalize" button? 565340;1395150378;BingoBoingo;bitmia: This confusion you are showing you you use words like privkey and automatically sign, is a common one 565341;1395150436;BingoBoingo;Now if you want to trust something stronger than passwords that is admirable. 565342;1395150454;BingoBoingo;bitmia: Have you ever authenticated with Gribble before? 565343;1395150467;bitmia;yes, why? 565344;1395150513;BingoBoingo;bitmia: Which way do you usually authenticate? 565345;1395150549;bitmia;decrypting a pgp encrypted message? 565346;1395150593;BingoBoingo;bitmia: And does Gribble ever have to possess your private key for this to happen? 565347;1395150649;bitmia;I see where you're going with this, it's simply a pain in the ass to do multisig 565348;1395150651;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: let's hope so, pretty shocking lack of security 565349;1395150673;bitmia;BingoBoingo: will 2FA suffice, you think? 565350;1395150705;BingoBoingo;bitmia: Well, I was more going for it is problematic to have multisig where all of the keys live on the same server. 565351;1395150735;BingoBoingo;bitmia: Why not have people authenticate by decrypting or signing a challenge, like gribble does? 565352;1395150748;bitmia;cause it won't be A) less of a hassle 565353;1395150782;BingoBoingo;bitmia: But, it handles authentication much better. 565354;1395150811;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62467 = 1.874 BTC [-] {3} 565355;1395150870;BingoBoingo;If there was a conjunction is this language that functioned as a one way or such that [(A&B) or B] I would have use it instead 565356;1395150900;ThickAsThieves;LTC at .03btc 565357;1395151238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00383141 = 0.1916 BTC [-] {3} 565358;1395151360;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00080661 = 33.555 BTC [+] {4} 565359;1395151421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 601 @ 0.00381444 = 2.2925 BTC [-] {8} 565360;1395151422;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62001002 BTC [-] 565361;1395151478;Apocalyptic;dat LTC 565362;1395151482;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00079968 = 14.0744 BTC [-] {2} 565363;1395151604;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00373723 = 0.1981 BTC [-] 565364;1395151970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [-] 565365;1395152214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62001002 BTC [+] 565366;1395152275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.00373722 = 0.2915 BTC [-] {2} 565367;1395152397;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00373722 = 0.3737 BTC [-] {2} 565368;1395152458;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00373723 = 0.2878 BTC [+] 565369;1395152645;benkay;bitmia: if you're trying to make a crypto-related thing less of a hassle, you're undermining the point of crypto-things. 565370;1395152763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.638898 BTC [+] 565371;1395152824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.00613871 = 0.4236 BTC [+] {6} 565372;1395153498;blackwhite_;ok guys I have a question. I am considering buying a trading website and turning it into a site based on bitcoin data instead. Is there any good sources for realtime bitcoin data? 565373;1395153549;ThickAsThieves;youre probably late to that game 565374;1395153552;Mats_cd03;dont waste your money and buy some mpex stock instead 565375;1395153739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00015055 = 1.5055 BTC [-] {7} 565376;1395153800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00397011 = 0.5955 BTC [+] {4} 565377;1395153907;Mats_cd03;or hire a few programmers that know their shit and build your own brand, what do you need a trading website for? 565378;1395154146;blackwhite_;The source engine is already build. The rest I can do myself. 565379;1395154190;blackwhite_;and the price for the platform is 380USD so not really sure I will be wasting money even if it goes titis up :) 565380;1395154401;punkman;blackwhite_, retrofitting whatever you are buying is gonna be a hassle 565381;1395154434;blackwhite_;yeah perhaps 565382;1395154440;nubbins`;especially if you don't already know where you're getting your data from 565383;1395154442;nubbins`;JUST SAYIN 565384;1395154455;blackwhite_;why is that a problem? 565385;1395154460;blackwhite_;I can figure that out 565386;1395154471;nubbins`;if you can figure it out, why ask us? 565387;1395154472;blackwhite_;by among other things asking in this channel :) 565388;1395154483;blackwhite_;well because this is a good place to ask 565389;1395154485;nubbins`;"hey guys i'd like to open a sandwich shop, is there any place i can buy deli meats in bulk?" 565390;1395154491;blackwhite_;huh? 565391;1395154494;nubbins`;know what i mean? 565392;1395154497;blackwhite_;no I don't 565393;1395154503;nubbins`;then you're doomed 565394;1395154511;blackwhite_;i am asking in this channel because there are a lot of knowledgeable people here 565395;1395154515;nubbins`;sure 565396;1395154524;blackwhite_;so whats the problem? 565397;1395154532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00015002 = 0.7501 BTC [-] {4} 565398;1395154533;nubbins`;the problem is, you're getting ahead of yourself 565399;1395154536;blackwhite_;you think just because I don't get an answer here I won't have any other options 565400;1395154546;nubbins`;the first thing you should do is figure out where to get your data from 565401;1395154557;blackwhite_;so that is what I am doing right now 565402;1395154564;nubbins`;if your first instinct is to pop on irc and ask someone rather than do a simple google search which would have already given you answers... 565403;1395154572;nubbins`;...then you're not ready to run a business of any sort 565404;1395154575;nubbins`;sorry 565405;1395154589;blackwhite_;i have run several businesses m8. 565406;1395154590;nubbins`;hurts, but it's just the way it is 565407;1395154594;nubbins`;gr8 m8 565408;1395154601;nubbins`;y w8? 565409;1395154647;blackwhite_;but sure there are always people like you around to make sure no one does things the way you don't want them to be done 565410;1395154677;nubbins`;hey, it makes no difference to me 565411;1395154690;blackwhite_;you are getting ahead of yourself assuming things you have no knowledge about. 565412;1395154692;nubbins`;just a downer when people pop in here asking others to do their basic research for them 565413;1395154701;chetty;well maybe if you had asked, hey guys, what do you think of X as a data soirce ... just sayin 565414;1395154706;nubbins`;then flap their gums at the people who tell 'em to do their homework 565415;1395154715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.11950724 = 0.717 BTC [-] 565416;1395154730;nubbins`;hence my comment about the sandwich shop 565417;1395154760;punkman;blackwhite_, I have the thing you want, but like nubbins` is saying... 565418;1395154773;nubbins`;seriously guys where do i buy bulk deli meat? 565419;1395154776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00613985 = 0.2272 BTC [+] 565420;1395154804;nubbins`;i could just google "bulk deli meat <my area>" but figured i'd spend 10 minutes wasting the time of a bunch of strangers instead 565421;1395154821;nubbins`;because i've run several businesses m8 565422;1395154826;blackwhite_;don't worry guys. I won't rob you of your precious knowledge. Someone already answered me. 565423;1395154826;nubbins`;gr8 b8 m8 565424;1395154837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00613999 = 0.1167 BTC [+] 565425;1395154838;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.629998 BTC [-] 565426;1395154845;nubbins`;you can't rob knowledge, it's only shared 565427;1395154847;nubbins`;:D 565428;1395154887;nubbins`;or not shared, depending on the prior effort of the person asking 565429;1395154888;blackwhite_;I have done my homework but sure i haven't talked much in this channel so I can understand why some feel like i am just popping in 565430;1395154898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [+] 565431;1395154914;blackwhite_;anyway I got a couple of good leads that I hadn't already heard about. 565432;1395154916;blackwhite_;l84 565433;1395154922;nubbins`;blackwhite_: here's a link, i'm seriously not being saucy: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html 565434;1395154923;blackwhite_;later 565435;1395154959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.03010001 = 0.2107 BTC [-] {2} 565436;1395155005;artifexd;nubbins` Interestingly, that link says that IRC is a good first place to ask. 565437;1395155006;blackwhite_;nubbins` i got my answers. See not everyone feels like they need to make a statement every time. Someone you know just like to help and make no fuzz about it. 565438;1395155029;nubbins`;artifexd: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before 565439;1395155030;artifexd;There is a whole section on "Before you ask" though... 565440;1395155033;nubbins`;;D 565441;1395155039;artifexd;:) 565442;1395155071;chetty;http://ukrainianpolicy.com/turkey-warns-russia-it-will-blockade-bosphorus/ 565443;1395155084;bitmia;benkay: crypto-things are not bound to be complicated (ie not user-friendly) 565444;1395155088;nubbins`;blackwhite_: if i've frustrated you enough to make you waste your own time rather than someone else's when you next have a question, i've done my job 565445;1395155118;nubbins`;sorry if that offends, but c'est ça 565446;1395155143;blackwhite_;frustrated? That would mean that your opinion mattered. It doesn't so no worries. 565447;1395155181;*;nubbins` yawns 565448;1395155193;nubbins`;glad you haven't learned anything 565449;1395155200;nubbins`;onward through the fog... 565450;1395155262;blackwhite_;I learned something just not from you. Again no worries. 565451;1395155264;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 934 @ 0.00389915 = 3.6418 BTC [-] {5} 565452;1395155407;nubbins`;indeed, none are worried :D 565453;1395155453;thestringpuller;can someone fill a bitcoin bar with tungsten for me? 565454;1395155456;thestringpuller;will pay 1 btfc 565455;1395155458;thestringpuller;lol 565456;1395155490;only;chetty warnings, sanctions. we have this saying in ukraine "the dog barks, the caravan moves on" 565457;1395155521;blackwhite_;https://xkcd.com/386/ 565458;1395155521;ozbot;xkcd: Duty Calls 565459;1395155552;blackwhite_;it must be hard nubbins :) 565460;1395155664;artifexd;http://thewhet.net/ is MPOE-PR? 565461;1395155665;ozbot;The Whet | a place for appetites 565462;1395155666;nubbins`;easiest thing in the world 565463;1395155676;nubbins`;besides, it's morning here 565464;1395155704;BingoBoingo;artifexd: Yes 565465;1395155838;punkman;thestringpuller: you can get them on alibaba 565466;1395155841;only;is she really a girl? 565467;1395155866;BingoBoingo;only: There are pics on trilema 565468;1395155891;LordPutin;only when mircea puts ona wig and tucks his willy between his legs 565469;1395155981;davout;only: yup 565470;1395155992;nubbins`;heh 565471;1395155996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 747 @ 0.00409964 = 3.0624 BTC [+] {3} 565472;1395156008;nubbins`;the whole "is pr fake? a woman? mp?" thing is pretty entertaining 565473;1395156024;nubbins`;especially given that the answer to all three questions is "who cares" 565474;1395156039;kakobrekla;only thats my personalized message on retardtalk 565475;1395156079;kakobrekla;namely Psi laju, karavani prolaze. 565476;1395156097;BingoBoingo;Crimea bet could get interesting, not enough to come close to resolving it yet, but http://politics.slashdot.org/story/14/03/18/1448248/russian-army-spetsnaz-units-arrested-operating-in-ukraine 565477;1395156175;davout;!t m x.eur 565478;1395156176;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00213452 / 0.00213452 / 0.00213452 (450 shares, 0.96 BTC), 7D: 0.00210539 / 0.00212399 / 0.00213452 (2081 shares, 4.42 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00210455 / 0.00226762 (7458 shares, 15.70 BTC) 565479;1395156211;artifexd;I was just contrasting the general "You suck" attitude of here bitcointalk posts with the general "You can do it" attitude of her blog posts. In particular, this post: http://thewhet.net/2012/this-is-it/ 565480;1395156217;artifexd;*her 565481;1395156267;only;nubbins`: writing like she does is a rare thing for a woman 565482;1395156286;nubbins`;meh, read margaret atwood 565483;1395156301;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0662 = 0.5296 BTC [+] 565484;1395156309;only;well, I said rare :) 565485;1395156321;only;rare enough to make me ask the question 565486;1395156362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05350555 = 0.4815 BTC [+] {2} 565487;1395156363;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.638 = 1.276 BTC [+] 565488;1395156380;nubbins`;margaret laurence, too 565489;1395156484;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06500002 = 0.195 BTC [-] {2} 565490;1395156545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06450001 = 0.258 BTC [-] 565491;1395156606;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06444092 = 0.7089 BTC [-] {3} 565492;1395156667;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06437002 = 0.2575 BTC [-] 565493;1395156668;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.05385383 = 0.7001 BTC [+] {2} 565494;1395156704;Mats_cd03;blackwhite: what an irritating sense of entitlement. have a nice day 565495;1395156728;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.05393184 = 0.6472 BTC [+] {3} 565496;1395156789;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06400001 = 0.384 BTC [-] {2} 565497;1395156850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06400001 = 0.256 BTC [-] 565498;1395156911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.638 = 1.276 BTC [+] 565499;1395156959;HeySteve2;only, here is another thing that is rare in a woman 565500;1395156966;HeySteve2;your pee pee :D 565501;1395156972;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.63897333 = 3.8338 BTC [+] {3} 565502;1395156984;only;lol 565503;1395156995;only;good one 565504;1395157022;benkay;bitmia: complicated does not necessarily mean not user friendly 565505;1395157033;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06889999 = 0.1378 BTC [+] 565506;1395157039;benkay;for instance, i don't actually want to spend any time around people for whom gpg is challenging to use 565507;1395157057;chetty;uhoh 565508;1395157082;benkay;(dramatic overstatement, chetty) 565509;1395157111;chetty;hihi, well I admit I usually have to look up commands - sigh 565510;1395157114;davout;come on, gpg is user friendly! 565511;1395157116;bitmia;benkay: you'd certainly want that if you were a seller 565512;1395157155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 996 @ 0.00400297 = 3.987 BTC [-] {5} 565513;1395157156;chetty;but as a buyer I dont really want my crypto too easy 565514;1395157159;benkay;so the point of the gpg claim is that if you can't read the gnu privacy guard manual, you're worthless 565515;1395157201;bitmia;chetty: easy ≠ insecure 565516;1395157234;benkay;bitmia: i don't really do mass-market plays. 565517;1395157238;chetty;nope the two are not really related, its all perception 565518;1395157242;benkay;mo users, mo problems. 565519;1395157258;bitmia;mo users, mo money in my book :) 565520;1395157286;benkay;classic startup circus attitude. 565521;1395157299;chetty;http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2014/03/18/report-ny-to-probe-high-frequency-trading/ 565522;1395157377;benkay;would we rather a billion pennies from a billion paupers, or individual clients with lifetime value to the firm in excess of 500B each? 565523;1395157387;benkay;this is a matter of personal preference, obviously. 565524;1395157399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62501 = 1.25 BTC [-] {2} 565525;1395157425;chetty;there is room in this world for both kinds 565526;1395157439;benkay;of course 565527;1395157447;benkay;is there room in a given business model for serving both? 565528;1395157455;benkay;dunno, haven't seen any that satisfy the criteria yet. 565529;1395157491;benkay;maybe Eve? 565530;1395157512;benkay;one can buy impressive e-peen widgets in that game, and at nontrivial prices to boot. 565531;1395157569;bitmia;benkay, I was doing a marketplace, remember? how the fuck am I supposed to have individual clients with a lifetime value of 500B? 565532;1395157613;benkay;obviously you're going for pennies from paupers. 565533;1395157620;benkay;matter of personal taste, like i said. 565534;1395157635;bitmia;that's the point, and paupers don't like 'em private keys 565535;1395157652;benkay;which is what will keep them forever worth pennies. 565536;1395157671;benkay;inability or unwillingness to do the hard things necessary to raise personal value above a single dollar. 565537;1395157677;Mats_cd03;baww 565538;1395157718;bitmia;benkay, and what are the hard necessary things in a marketplace? 565539;1395157751;benkay;having something worth selling maybe? 565540;1395157754;benkay;kinda unclear question 565541;1395157762;benkay;hard for the guy building the marketplace or hard for the participants? 565542;1395157825;bitmia;what would you like to see in an ebay style, two-way Bitcoin marketplace? what security features 565543;1395157841;benkay;WoT integration would be neat 565544;1395157847;bitmia;both as a seller and a buyer 565545;1395157848;benkay;probably a non-starter around here without that. 565546;1395158093;davout;anyone else receiving fake wallet backups from blockchain.info? 565547;1395158180;Mats_cd03;phishing emails? 565548;1395158181;bitmia;benkay: I considered using an irc bot to create profiles for the ones that don't have them yet, but that would mean holding their privkeys for them. beats the purpose sortof 565549;1395158352;benkay;if i were building that thing (and i'm not, and we haven't even discussed the market use for such a thing in the wake of the other ebay clones that have failed), i'd make it a hard requirement for sellers to have WoT identities. 565550;1395158375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.34104034 BTC to 3`957 shares, 59162 satoshi per share 565551;1395158376;davout;Mats_cd03: e-mails containing a wallet backup ending in .jar 565552;1395158377;benkay;but if they have a bitcoin wallet, they can sign a thing. 565553;1395158385;bitmia;it is still unclear why they failed tho 565554;1395158392;benkay;yeah, well, occam 565555;1395158403;benkay;but irrelevant, you seem set on doing your thing 565556;1395158418;benkay;anyways. 565557;1395158428;benkay;gpg is not even necessary for wot participation, you should know. 565558;1395158437;benkay;a bitcoin wallet under user control would suffice 565559;1395158442;benkay;"but what about the coinbase and web wallet users?" 565560;1395158454;benkay;well man if you really want to scrape the bottom of the barrel, ain't nobody going to stop you. 565561;1395158495;chetty;make em use private wallets at least, get people off using webwallets 565562;1395158554;bitmia;the blockchain size is the ultimate demotivator 565563;1395158562;benkay;electrum bam 565564;1395158587;benkay;dood you need to do so much reading 565565;1395158596;bitmia;so wait, wait 565566;1395158596;benkay;grok spv? 565567;1395158615;bitmia;you want me to persuade users to use irc, electrum, pgp, what else? 565568;1395158632;benkay;you must have a reading problem. 565569;1395158651;benkay;electrum will suffice for identification. 565570;1395158655;benkay;"sign this thing." 565571;1395158657;thestringpuller;lol electrum 565572;1395158663;benkay;you can even proxy over to gribble yourself 565573;1395158692;benkay;electrum's still a thing, right thestringpuller? 565574;1395158699;benkay;are there any viable spv wallets kicking around? 565575;1395158704;thestringpuller;i'm too old for this conversation 565576;1395158708;thestringpuller;i turn 62 next month 565577;1395158709;thestringpuller;so 565578;1395158721;thestringpuller;i'm not up to date with you young whipper snappers 565579;1395158768;BingoBoingo;benkay: I like Multibit, but haven't found comepelling cause to try versions newer than 0.5.11 565580;1395158786;benkay;ya well constant upgrades are the fruit of the devil 565581;1395158810;benkay;so bitmia go learn about simple payment verification and why people don't actually need the whole blockchain on disk. 565582;1395158937;bitmia_;hm, what about a browser extension to include the wot (proxied over to gribble) and the escrow thing? 565583;1395158957;benkay;sounds like an implementation detail to me. 565584;1395158999;thestringpuller;just download the block chain 565585;1395159003;thestringpuller;you broke ass niggas 565586;1395159009;thestringpuller;20 gigs costs less than a beer 565587;1395159101;bitmia_;if only it took less time than a week 565588;1395159120;benkay;yeah but thestringpuller don't you understand bitmia_'s customers can barely swing a bitcent ;) 565589;1395159400;bitmia;benkay: but really, why do you think bitmit/coingig went to shit? 565590;1395159424;benkay;because bitcoin isn't a consumer technology. 565591;1395159510;bitmia;and never will be? 565592;1395159531;benkay;how many on the welfare roles own a single troy oz? 565593;1395159583;bitmia;you can't teleport silver, can you? 565594;1395159588;bitmia;but yeah, got your point 565595;1395159644;benkay;don't get too discouraged 565596;1395159648;benkay;you're doing everything right 565597;1395159652;benkay;just lurk moar 565598;1395159663;benkay;;;ident bitmia 565599;1395159663;gribble;Nick 'bitmia', with hostmask 'bitmia!~bitmia@unaffiliated/bitmia', is not identified. 565600;1395159673;benkay;;;gettrust bitmia 565601;1395159674;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user bitmia: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=bitmia | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitmia | Rated since: never 565602;1395159698;benkay;you're even in the web! 565603;1395159708;benkay;i don't even believe it 565604;1395159900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 499 @ 0.00400007 = 1.996 BTC [-] {4} 565605;1395160167;bitmia;does everyone here agree that bitcoin cannot be a consumer technology? want to get this straight 565606;1395160289;bitmia;I'm enjoying myself a lot when I buy or sell for Bitcoin. means I'm dumb? 565607;1395160388;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6200001 = 1.24 BTC [-] {2} 565608;1395160389;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06889979 = 0.1378 BTC [-] 565609;1395160510;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06796652 = 0.2039 BTC [-] {2} 565610;1395160523;benkay;people enjoy wasting money on satoshi dice too 565611;1395160546;benkay;if you enjoy spending bitcoin, eventually you'll have none. 565612;1395160568;LordPutin;anyone have a squawker box link they listen to for real world financial markets? 565613;1395160632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 417 @ 0.00415813 = 1.7339 BTC [+] {4} 565614;1395160756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.06893232 = 2.4816 BTC [+] {10} 565615;1395160757;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.0045 = 0.1125 BTC [-] 565616;1395160998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06958767 = 0.2088 BTC [+] 565617;1395161303;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00600007 = 0.228 BTC [-] {2} 565618;1395161486;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00403684 = 0.3835 BTC [-] {2} 565619;1395161487;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00080054 = 15.5705 BTC [+] {2} 565620;1395161620;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/18/regulation-of-magic/ 565621;1395161621;ozbot;Regulation of Magic | Bingo Blog 565622;1395162279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 157 @ 0.00417206 = 0.655 BTC [+] {3} 565623;1395162584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06999998 = 0.28 BTC [+] {2} 565624;1395162645;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 53 @ 0.07 = 3.71 BTC [+] {2} 565625;1395162706;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05389 = 0.2156 BTC [+] 565626;1395163319;benkay;roll tide! 565627;1395163395;benkay;no no BingoBoingo they'll comply within 2 weeks, you see 565628;1395163644;artifexd;BingoBoingo Your link to bitcoinpete's blog is broken. 565629;1395163926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0675 = 0.2025 BTC [+] {3} 565630;1395163967;MisterE;LTC on Huboi pump on now 565631;1395163982;MisterE;check the volumes 565632;1395163987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06849999 = 0.137 BTC [+] {2} 565633;1395164109;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00415 = 0.415 BTC [-] 565634;1395164170;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00415 = 0.1162 BTC [-] 565635;1395164292;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00417439 = 0.4258 BTC [+] {2} 565636;1395164353;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 353 @ 0.00417439 = 1.4736 BTC [+] {2} 565637;1395164408;test123;hello 565638;1395164518;test123;hello 565639;1395164612;thestringpuller;PING PONG 565640;1395164819;benkay;hola test123 565641;1395164877;Ishatmyself;sup ladies 565642;1395164898;LordPutin;hi babe 565643;1395164902;benkay;.bait 565644;1395164903;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2xrubXlSW1rrwt6yo1_500.jpg 565645;1395164951;benkay;.bait 565646;1395164952;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/e33c8c5a1f69d16ced64d311a6a1799e/tumblr_n1mkz5iqKf1qk2vvro1_500.jpg 565647;1395164963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.0041744 = 0.4383 BTC [+] 565648;1395165085;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 596 @ 0.00419445 = 2.4999 BTC [+] {7} 565649;1395165207;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00423069 = 0.11 BTC [+] {4} 565650;1395165269;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6205 = 3.723 BTC [+] {2} 565651;1395165304;MisterE;.bagholder 565652;1395165445;MisterE;http://i.imgur.com/XJZSD8Y.jpg?1 565653;1395165473;benkay;nice. 565654;1395165507;MisterE;:D 565655;1395165512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38202 @ 0.00080268 = 30.664 BTC [+] {2} 565656;1395165549;benkay;yeah you buy a shitton of mpoe at 80k 565657;1395165573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.004242 = 0.7848 BTC [+] 565658;1395165574;benkay;nom nom nom 565659;1395165578;benkay;!t h rent 565660;1395165579;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.00566827 / 0.00568660 (31 shares, 0.17571650 BTC), 7D: 0.00510111 / 0.00590703 / 0.00647960 (1779 shares, 10.50861044 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00556068 / 0.00900001 (51251 shares, 284.99064045 BTC) 565661;1395165597;benkay;har back at par 565662;1395165608;benkay;anyone know if rent's paid divs yet? 565663;1395165634;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 572 @ 0.00428698 = 2.4522 BTC [+] {4} 565664;1395165657;LordPutin;why not ask in the #rentalstarter room 565665;1395165695;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00429 = 2.145 BTC [+] 565666;1395165714;benkay;ugh because i don't want that on my shoes 565667;1395165727;LordPutin;okey wait i'm asking for u 565668;1395165734;LordPutin;on saturday 565669;1395165742;test123;does it still cost 30btc to join MPEx 565670;1395165763;LordPutin;yeah it does 565671;1395165795;KRS-1;worth it 565672;1395165798;test123;coinbr is only alternative way to access? 565673;1395165816;benkay;you could ask someone to broker a transaction for you 565674;1395165824;LordPutin;benkay thy've paid out 2 divs so far 565675;1395165830;LordPutin;and another one coming up this sat 565676;1395165880;test123;k 565677;1395165890;benkay;;;google drinking record counterparties 565678;1395165891;gribble;A Reminder – The Most Important Word in Bitcoin, Again because Gox: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/25/a-reminder-the-most-important-word-in-bitcoin-again-because-gox/>; Why Fractional Reserve Can't Work in Bitcoin | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/11/11/fractional-reserve-bitcoins/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: (1 more message) 565679;1395165898;benkay;test123 ^^ 565680;1395165911;benkay;if you're going the brokered transaction route 565681;1395165946;test123;k 565682;1395166001;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 116 @ 0.00429 = 0.4976 BTC [+] 565683;1395166061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 123 @ 0.00429 = 0.5277 BTC [+] 565684;1395166122;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07328271 = 0.8061 BTC [+] {3} 565685;1395166244;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.073 = 0.657 BTC [-] 565686;1395166733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.00429 = 0.7765 BTC [+] 565687;1395167281;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.63699992 = 2.548 BTC [+] {4} 565688;1395167525;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00428999 = 0.1759 BTC [-] 565689;1395167586;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00420063 = 0.6007 BTC [-] {3} 565690;1395167675;nubbins`;!t h hif 565691;1395167676;assbot;[HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00039967 / 0.00047251 / 0.00051299 (2962 shares, 1.39957800 BTC), 7D: 0.00039967 / 0.00049703 / 0.00056898 (22353 shares, 11.11019720 BTC), 30D: 0.00036000 / 0.00049595 / 0.00057500 (71086 shares, 35.25533251 BTC) 565692;1395167830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00079956 = 22.6275 BTC [-] {3} 565693;1395167887;benkay;!t b pif 565694;1395167887;assbot;Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'? 565695;1395168051;imsaguy;ThickAsThieves: ping 565696;1395168379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 299 @ 0.00434179 = 1.2982 BTC [+] {5} 565697;1395168562;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 846 @ 0.00434999 = 3.6801 BTC [+] {3} 565698;1395168745;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.60626459 = 22.4318 BTC [-] {13} 565699;1395168936;hdbuck;!t h AM1 565700;1395168937;assbot;[HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.59000000 / 0.6174602 / 0.63900000 (196 shares, 121.02219937 BTC), 7D: 0.57000000 / 0.60139755 / 0.63999990 (1027 shares, 617.63528627 BTC), 30D: 0.45000000 / 0.56496539 / 0.68000000 (3714 shares, 2098.28145633 BTC) 565701;1395168989;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00600286 = 0.6003 BTC [+] {2} 565702;1395169965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.004349 = 0.1305 BTC [-] 565703;1395170026;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.0043 = 0.1075 BTC [-] {3} 565704;1395171980;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 565705;1395172041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 565706;1395172466;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.0042 = 0.2394 BTC [-] {4} 565707;1395173058;Apocalyptic;.d 565708;1395173059;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1109 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.8846% in 6d 22h 12m 27s 565709;1395173625;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.00419021 = 0.4819 BTC [-] {2} 565710;1395173895;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/18/greek-bank-issues-bond-at-5-really/ 565711;1395173895;ozbot;Greek Bank Issues Bond at 5%. Really - MoneyBeat - WSJ 565712;1395174140;benkay;wat 565713;1395174246;ThickAsThieves;utter nonsense from WU http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2014/03/18/western-union-ceo-what-digital-currencies-are-missing/ 565714;1395174333;ThickAsThieves;kakobrekla, when can we have AltBet.us? 565715;1395174397;kakobrekla;on btc/usd atc/usd parity 565716;1395174410;kakobrekla;best bet is usd being worth 0. 565717;1395174430;ThickAsThieves;booo 565718;1395174447;ThickAsThieves;some super-servant you are... 565719;1395174478;kakobrekla;fuck this life, for one night you dont suck a dick and suddenly you are not a hoe anymore. 565720;1395174520;ThickAsThieves;sucking dick makes the world go round 565721;1395174784;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 108 @ 0.00595685 = 0.6433 BTC [-] {6} 565722;1395174906;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00592699 = 0.5927 BTC [-] {3} 565723;1395174913;kakobrekla;yeah well 565724;1395174917;kakobrekla;you do it tonight! 565725;1395174935;*;jurov just had it done 565726;1395174936;thestringpuller;ThickAsThieves: can't you just make your own altbet.us? 565727;1395174967;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00591 = 0.591 BTC [-] {2} 565728;1395175049;ThickAsThieves;i'm owed too many BJs as it is 565729;1395175062;ThickAsThieves;no reason to put bad debt after good 565730;1395175093;ThickAsThieves;<thestringpuller> ThickAsThieves: can't you just make your own altbet.us // No, first i wouldnt wanna rip off kako 565731;1395175098;ThickAsThieves;second, i dont have the means 565732;1395175120;thestringpuller;no programming for you? 565733;1395175129;ThickAsThieves;as little as possible at least 565734;1395175144;ThickAsThieves;being a programmer wouldnt be enough anyway 565735;1395175150;benkay;no wai 565736;1395175153;benkay;u just php 565737;1395175155;benkay;and then bitcoin 565738;1395175160;ThickAsThieves;altcoin! 565739;1395175168;benkay;sure whatever 565740;1395175261;thestringpuller;what's the altcoin site again? 565741;1395175317;kakobrekla;therealbitcoin.com 565742;1395175333;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07 = 0.49 BTC [-] 565743;1395175334;Apocalyptic;such fail 565744;1395175377;ThickAsThieves;therealaltcoin.org 565745;1395175592;jurov;thestringpuller: pm 565746;1395175638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.00418999 = 0.4693 BTC [+] 565747;1395175746;dR3;woh...blockr.io hostname for ATC. tightness. 565748;1395176858;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.00419 = 0.7039 BTC [+] 565749;1395177468;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-] 565750;1395177651;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 28 @ 0.0055 = 0.154 BTC [-] 565751;1395177956;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00419 = 1.0475 BTC [+] 565752;1395178383;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00080178 = 9.461 BTC [+] {2} 565753;1395180152;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.00418026 = 0.4682 BTC [+] {2} 565754;1395180457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00080326 = 10.9243 BTC [+] 565755;1395180518;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00419 = 0.2011 BTC [+] 565756;1395180640;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 131 @ 0.00419 = 0.5489 BTC [+] 565757;1395181006;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-] 565758;1395181433;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 39 @ 0.0029326 = 0.1144 BTC [-] {3} 565759;1395181616;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17188 @ 0.00080326 = 13.8064 BTC [+] 565760;1395181677;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 307 @ 0.00419 = 1.2863 BTC [+] 565761;1395182391;dexX7;;;tslb 565762;1395182398;gribble;Error: Problem retrieving latest block data. 565763;1395182402;dexX7;i hate u 565764;1395182518;dexX7;does gribble pull data from bc.i? 565765;1395182897;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.004144 = 0.3232 BTC [-] {2} 565766;1395183263;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00080565 = 28.3589 BTC [+] {3} 565767;1395183621;Neil;;bc,stats 565768;1395183625;Neil;;;bc,stats 565769;1395183629;gribble;Current Blocks: 291221 | Current Difficulty: 4.2502179198695354E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 292319 | Next Difficulty In: 1098 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 21 hours, 18 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4652331064.67 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.461 565770;1395183636;Neil;Ooh, 9.46% 565771;1395183656;Neil;Dese blocks definitely slowing down 565772;1395183706;Neil;blockchain.info fucked again 565773;1395183812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [-] 565774;1395183813;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0666 = 0.1332 BTC [-] 565775;1395184062;cazalla;good luck but i'm still betting against you Neil :) 565776;1395184195;Neil;cazalla: I tend to agree it'll be above 10%, but not a lot above 565777;1395184215;Neil;I don't think we'll ever see a 25% (perhaps even 20%) difficulty rise again. 565778;1395184275;cazalla;it 565779;1395184286;cazalla;it'll be an awesome win if it does remain under 10% 565780;1395185169;ninjashogun;hiya 565781;1395186313;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 187 @ 0.004144 = 0.7749 BTC [-] 565782;1395186862;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00541 = 0.2705 BTC [-] 565783;1395187396;novusordo;!help 565784;1395187396;assbot;List of commands: 565785;1395187397;assbot;!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} 565786;1395187398;assbot;!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} 565787;1395187399;assbot;!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) 565788;1395187400;assbot;!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} 565789;1395187401;assbot;!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} 565790;1395187402;assbot;!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com) 565791;1395187403;assbot;!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b} 565792;1395187404;assbot;!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} 565793;1395187525;novusordo;!ticker HAVELOCK AM1 565794;1395187540;assbot;I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who. 565795;1395187561;novusordo;me either, assbot 565796;1395187824;bitcoinpte;;;later tell benkay haha I just noticed your excellent use of "Bin Popescu"! You also made me realize that it should've been "ben" (also note the lowercase "b", eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_ben_Johanan). Also, I'm really hoping that MP being "the hardest target in Bitcoin" is the sexual euphemism I think it is. Lastly, given your iOS cryptoproject, what are your thoughts on Glyph? 565797;1395187824;gribble;The operation succeeded. 565798;1395187853;benkay;bitcoinpte: that would be the dick joke i mentioned last night, yes. 565799;1395187890;bitcoinpte;;;later tell BingoBoingo looks like you forgot to add "http://" to the URL linking my SEC post from yours :) 565800;1395187890;gribble;The operation succeeded. 565801;1395187899;bitcoinpte;benkay: snappy 565802;1395187926;benkay;bitcoinpte: i'm lo these many years out of the synagogue, so thanks for the correction. i'll ship it with some other updates. 565803;1395187944;benkay;bitcoinpete: finally, glyph is a scam. they store your messages in plaintext on their servers. 565804;1395187967;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-] 565805;1395187977;benkay;i demonstrated this to the team accidentally a few months back, when logging into the web console to see messages we sent each other from our phones. 565806;1395188028;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [-] 565807;1395188059;benkay;glyph is classic fartup circus nonsense. apple's taken a firm stance on bitcoin+iOS, and Glyph doesn't have the horsepower to fight them. note: social media noise != canonry. 565808;1395188233;bitcoinpete;benkay: ya, they definitely made a fuss and not much else. glyph's whole implementation lacks appeal. "Drop me a line at horse-moon-cloverleaf" doesn't reach catch people 565809;1395188394;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00424994 = 0.85 BTC [-] {2} 565810;1395188638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0666 = 0.2664 BTC [-] 565811;1395188751;bitcoinpete;benkay: https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/445773577564860416 565812;1395188760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06811111 = 1.3622 BTC [-] {3} 565813;1395188821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.05389818 = 0.5929 BTC [+] {2} 565814;1395188882;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05399933 = 0.486 BTC [+] {4} 565815;1395188883;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00424994 = 0.425 BTC [-] 565816;1395188943;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.00424994 = 0.5865 BTC [-] 565817;1395189065;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 147 @ 0.00424994 = 0.6247 BTC [-] 565818;1395189170;benkay;thanks, bitcoinpete! 565819;1395189178;benkay;i don't play twitter myself, but it's neat to see links up there. 565820;1395189187;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+] 565821;1395189247;bitcoinpete;benkay: what can i say? it was a great quote. and one that i would've vehemently opposed 3 months ago. 565822;1395189257;bitcoinpete;time, she keeps tickin' 565823;1395189385;bitcoinpete;i'm off for a bit of sport, then book clubbin' (antifragile, somehow people haven't read it) cheers 565824;1395189533;benkay;ha well in retrospect it should have been "stupidest goddamn". 565825;1395189553;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 22 @ 0.01600001 = 0.352 BTC [-] {3} 565826;1395189932;benkay;oh my sides 565827;1395189957;benkay;today a project manager spinning up a new frontend contractor asked "hey how do we import this vm into vagrant without smashing the frontend dev's existing precise64 image?" 565828;1395189973;benkay;"dear pm. please see the detailed instructions i sent you yesterday. yours, etc" 565829;1395190468;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.00432983 = 0.3161 BTC [+] {2} 565830;1395190604;dexX7;http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/ yes! :D 565831;1395190605;ozbot;Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 565832;1395190745;benkay;hey, assettes: how would you phrase a bitbet to revolve on Blockchain's solvency? 565833;1395190755;benkay;or whatever the equivalent term for a bitcoin wallet operator is? 565834;1395190775;bloctoc;Warren Buffet doesn't want to end up with 1,000 sub $650 Bitcoins. Is there a place to borrow 1000 BTC? Assuming his WOT is legit? 565835;1395190784;dexX7;hm. but blockchain.info doesn't hold any btcs? 565836;1395190811;ninjashogun;hi 565837;1395190854;ninjashogun;so, the doge financier person's loan fell through. what a waste of several weeks of exchanges with him. 565838;1395190886;bloctoc;benkay that's genius. the phrase "liquidity event resulting customer loss of funds" might work 565839;1395190919;jcpham;^ sounds legit 565840;1395191185;Mats_cd03;Borrow? Uhh...no. He would hedge his position, and mpoe is the place for it, incidentally. 565841;1395191212;mike_c;;;bc,stats 565842;1395191214;gribble;Current Blocks: 291222 | Current Difficulty: 4.2502179198695354E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 292319 | Next Difficulty In: 1097 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 22 hours, 4 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4625267960.62 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.82425 565843;1395191322;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00080457 = 19.9936 BTC [-] {2} 565844;1395191538;bloctoc;Mats_cd03 thanks. So, Warren would buy some bitcoins, take the bet, and buy puts? 565845;1395191670;Mats_cd03;That would be ideal, although he could hedge some other way with fiat, too 565846;1395192298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00080505 = 17.0671 BTC [+] 565847;1395192555;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so how is it that herr orloff is using the terminology of the russian propaganda, you figure ? 565848;1395192758;benkay;bloctoc, Mats_cd03: can't quite hedge on MPEx anymore. 565849;1395192829;mircea_popescu;wow ze bc.info still down ?! 565850;1395192831;bloctoc;futures, still right? I was trying to think of a way to play the 30/1000 odds on this bet, but then got distracted. 565851;1395192846;ninjashogun;jcpham, I'm oin to sleep soon 565852;1395192861;ninjashogun;jcpham, if you have any thouhts I'd be interested. 565853;1395192870;ninjashogun;going* 565854;1395192875;benkay;bloctoc, the challenge is in the proving these things to the bitbet mods, and coming up with criteria that satisfy their standards. 565855;1395192908;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00080505 = 15.0544 BTC [+] 565856;1395192969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13026 @ 0.00080745 = 10.5178 BTC [+] 565857;1395192987;mircea_popescu;blackwhite what is "a site based on bitcoin data" mean ? 565858;1395193032;blackwhite;it means like http://blockchain.info/ 565859;1395193044;mircea_popescu;so like a blockchain walker ? 565860;1395193060;mircea_popescu;there's 3-4 of those, but you never know when they croak, so. 565861;1395193066;mircea_popescu;trivial to get the data for it, just run a node. 565862;1395193120;blackwhite;yeah true 565863;1395193136;mircea_popescu;if you comprehend go the best solution i'd say is the package maintained by conformal 565864;1395193145;KRS-1;.bait 565865;1395193146;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7y47wXuak1r88sa4o1_1280.jpg 565866;1395193166;mircea_popescu;but if you're a minimum effort sort of guy even a bitcoind can work, you can directly query it from any software stack. python, php, whatever you run 565867;1395193274;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 288 @ 0.00424994 = 1.224 BTC [-] 565868;1395193284;mircea_popescu;nubbins` dudes why so aggro 565869;1395193286;blackwhite;thanks. I was considering getting a proper solution. I will look into conformal. My strength is in design (I can code but I am primarily a designer) 565870;1395193308;mircea_popescu;well don't end up running something you don't understand. 565871;1395193312;bloctoc;thanks benkay. So, I'm looking at S.EUR as... WTF is S.EUR? 565872;1395193323;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/conformal/btcd < 565873;1395193326;benkay;http://toughmudder.com/sites/default/files/styles/lightboxed/public/Tough-Mudder-Toronto-2013-Sat-Gudkov-1334_0.jpg 565874;1395193329;blackwhite;sure. I have enough developer friends that will keep me in place 565875;1395193330;benkay;bloctoc: x.eur 565876;1395193331;blackwhite;:) 565877;1395193332;mircea_popescu;bloctoc not x.eur ? 565878;1395193332;bloctoc;anyone can answer 565879;1395193357;benkay;not quite the leverage of options, you know? 565880;1395193364;bloctoc;yeah, sorry x.eur 565881;1395193366;mircea_popescu;blackwhite https://github.com/conformal/btcd 565882;1395193370;benkay;http://toughmudder.com/sites/default/files/styles/lightboxed/public/TM_Charlotte_Sat_WestonWalker-1231_0.jpg 565883;1395193374;mircea_popescu;bloctoc but it has a contract if you click it. 565884;1395193382;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: terminology of the russian propaganda << more specifically ? 565885;1395193386;benkay;http://toughmudder.com/sites/default/files/styles/lightboxed/public/TM_SanDiego_Sun_WestonWalker-36_0.jpg 565886;1395193388;bloctoc;I'm afraid virus if I click 565887;1395193403;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "in refusing to acquiesce to the installation of a neo-fascist regime in Kiev" 565888;1395193432;mircea_popescu;bloctoc mpex doesn't even use javascript what are you on about 565889;1395193452;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the people in question aren't really shy of their nazi 'fandom' 565890;1395193458;asciilifeform;check out their own sites 565891;1395193463;blackwhite;yup got it thanks. 565892;1395193498;bloctoc;actually, I had already clicked, but I don't understand the contract. I was trying to blame my inadequacy completely fabricated internet security problems. 565893;1395193498;mircea_popescu;well sure, but it's still a stretch 565894;1395193515;mircea_popescu;bloctoc ok, so what don't you understand ? 565895;1395193561;asciilifeform;i mean, what is one supposed to call folks chanting 'смерть жидам' and marching with Galician SS banners? 565896;1395193567;mircea_popescu;"idiots" works 565897;1395193576;mircea_popescu;it's purely a problem of terminology, see ? 565898;1395193630;asciilifeform;idiots of a particular rare variety, which survived in a curious 'nature preserve' for quite some time 565899;1395193637;mircea_popescu;as far as i recall the nazis raped ukraine pretty good, the notion someone there actually is much of a nazi is ridicxulous on its face to begin with. 565900;1395193651;mircea_popescu;right wing, i guess, "socialistically-challenged", whatever. 565901;1395193658;asciilifeform;if a zoologist were to speak of a lion, he wouldn't merely say 'panthera' 565902;1395193674;mircea_popescu;but those dudes aren't "nazis" in that sense. 565903;1395193693;mircea_popescu;they're more akin to the aryan union, actually. 565904;1395193708;mircea_popescu;heck, they're probably inspired by the aryan union. 565905;1395193746;asciilifeform;correct. except, with some non-negligible historical continuity with the actual nazis, which the american version lacks 565906;1395193774;asciilifeform;read their own turds, where the wankers proclaim 'i wanna finish what grandpa started' 565907;1395193777;mircea_popescu;which... you know, has to to with nazism about as much as mice and men with martin short and steven segall has to do with french impresionism 565908;1395193795;mircea_popescu;yeah yeah, but you know and i know it's entirely empty posturing. 565909;1395193812;mircea_popescu;what did his granpa start ? a kolhoz ? 565910;1395193822;asciilifeform;what would be needed for non-emptiness? a resurrected hitler? 565911;1395193835;mircea_popescu;for instance, a rejection of ukrainians as lower stock ? 565912;1395193852;mircea_popescu;an actual nazi party in the ukraine would be quite the schopenhauerian feat. 565913;1395193882;asciilifeform;but, what would be needed for it to qualify as a proper nazi party? merely the brand and logo? 565914;1395193884;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00424994 = 0.2125 BTC [-] 565915;1395193924;mircea_popescu;no, as i say. it can't be a proper nazi party for as long as it seriously contemplates accepting any ukrainian national in its ranks. 565916;1395193937;mircea_popescu;it's like telling me you could have a grandee armee in coventry. 565917;1395193947;mircea_popescu;no, you fucking can't, the french would have never taken any brits, ever, no matter what. 565918;1395193952;asciilifeform;;;google galician ss 565919;1395193952;gribble;14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Ukrainian) - Wikipedia ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Ukrainian)>; 'Galicia' Division - Justice for Germans: <http://justice4germans.com/2013/08/23/ukrainians-honour-the-service-and-sacrifices-of-the-waffen-ss-galicia-division/>; What's On Kiev | News | The Infamous Ukrainian Waffen SS (1 more message) 565920;1395193988;mircea_popescu;wasn't that mostly from like slovakia/bohjemia etc ? 565921;1395194006;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48255 @ 0.000802 = 38.7005 BTC [-] {5} 565922;1395194008;asciilifeform;;;google stepan bandera 565923;1395194008;gribble;Stepan Bandera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera>; Ukraine's Neo-Nazis. Stepan Bandera and the Legacy of World War ...: <http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraines-neo-nazis-stepan-bandera-and-the-legacy-of-world-war-ii/5373773?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ukraines-neo-nazis-stepan-bandera-and-the-legacy-of-world-war-ii>; (1 more message) 565924;1395194020;mircea_popescu;o wait, this is the glatz. 565925;1395194022;asciilifeform;this fellow is their ultimate hero. 565926;1395194030;mircea_popescu;supposedly a german land since fredrich. 565927;1395194042;mircea_popescu;listen, srsly, galicia doesn't count in this discussion. 565928;1395194044;asciilifeform;(not a russian fiction, but straight from the horse's mouth) 565929;1395194084;mircea_popescu;right. the equivalent of romania's iron guard's codreanu idjit. 565930;1395194088;mircea_popescu;but that's still not nazi. 565931;1395194112;asciilifeform;you're quite right that the actual, historic nazis are gone. 565932;1395194120;asciilifeform;what's left is... well, this. 565933;1395194139;mircea_popescu;and anyway! death to the jews ? 565934;1395194154;mircea_popescu;why aren't these qualifications for "loyal subjects of the king of aragon" ? 565935;1395194160;mircea_popescu;or for caterine de medicis ? 565936;1395194167;asciilifeform;this isn't even the interesting part about the west ua folks 565937;1395194183;mircea_popescu;"death to the jews" is, at least in europe, about as common as "open your legs, i'm not gonna do anything" 565938;1395194186;asciilifeform;what they want isn't to be merely left alone to run their historical (province of poland, really) agrarian pesthole 565939;1395194213;asciilifeform;they'd like to dominate the historically rus. west, and own the soviet-built factories which they had no part in creating 565940;1395194223;mircea_popescu;so that makes them neo nazis ?! 565941;1395194230;asciilifeform;mostly to saw into scrap and sell to the nato block 565942;1395194262;mircea_popescu;i mean understand me, i am not proposing that either side or party or w/e active entity there is either respectable or in the right. 565943;1395194288;mircea_popescu;im merely saying that the neonazi label is about as approximative as calling them "knights of the cuisinart", or freemasons. 565944;1395194291;asciilifeform;nah, marching around in ss garb makes them. you gotta appreciate how this makes them an almost physiological allergen to anyone who grew up even vaguely russian. 565945;1395194316;mircea_popescu;and inasmuch as this is the case, which exact label one picks serves as a group identification. if you use the russian propaganda terminology you basically are throwing up a flag and little more. 565946;1395194333;mircea_popescu;ah, cause the "great patriotic war" stuff ? 565947;1395194387;mircea_popescu;"Unlike competing Polish, Russian, Hungarian or Romanian nationalisms in late imperial Austria, imperial Russia, interwar Poland and Romania, Ukrainian nationalism did not include antisemitism as a core aspect of its program and saw Russians as well as Poles as the chief enemy with Jews playing a secondary role." lmao. 565948;1395194393;mircea_popescu;shithole didn't even have jews in the first place. 565949;1395194447;asciilifeform;who did the jerries plug at babi yar? martians? 565950;1395194480;mircea_popescu;hm this is a point. 565951;1395194489;mircea_popescu;so then what, were the jews in ukraine mostly settled farmers ? 565952;1395194494;mircea_popescu;o yes, because beyond the pale huh 565953;1395194504;asciilifeform;smallholders, petty merchants 565954;1395194555;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 282 @ 0.0043109 = 1.2157 BTC [+] {5} 565955;1395194646;asciilifeform;people who apply 'human morality' to the logic of empire are weird. 565956;1395194679;asciilifeform;from the standpoint of americans, it is a beautiful thing if poland, ua, baltics, etc. are stuffed with as many missile bases as physically fit, aimed at moscow 565957;1395194692;asciilifeform;from the standpoint of russia, not so beautiful 565958;1395194714;mircea_popescu;well sure. 565959;1395194762;asciilifeform;likewise, americans ought to - and will - dance in the streets if the port at sevastopol is conquered and the russian fleet can no longer interfere with the u.s. syrian demolition derby 565960;1395194773;mircea_popescu;but listen, had orlov called them "privileged male chauvinist pigs" i'd have went "whoa, when did this guy join the blue side" 565961;1395194799;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00611787 = 0.3671 BTC [-] 565962;1395194808;mircea_popescu;there's approximately 0% chances of sevastopol falling this year. 565963;1395194814;asciilifeform;sure. 565964;1395194819;bloctoc;for the logs, I will be changing my handle to tacostorm soon 565965;1395194822;mircea_popescu;well that's it, by then syria's done. 565966;1395194937;asciilifeform;orlov's position, as far as i can tell, is that u.s. inherited the crown of idiocy worn by the old ussr 565967;1395194949;asciilifeform;and that anyone who interferes with it's doings, for whatever purpose, is to be applauded 565968;1395195009;mircea_popescu;but in what terms ? 565969;1395195015;mircea_popescu;that's always been the question of the independent thinker, 565970;1395195021;mircea_popescu;as hamlet plainly states. 565971;1395195074;asciilifeform;it is not easy to describe, accurately and completely, the nato block's policy of nation-wrecking using something other than 'russian' terms. but you're welcome to try. 565972;1395195097;asciilifeform;i, for one, would like to read the result. 565973;1395195102;mircea_popescu;but calling people "neonazis" describes nothing, and especially not accurately or completely. 565974;1395195109;mircea_popescu;in fact, pretty much anything else would work better. 565975;1395195140;asciilifeform;it isn't orlov's (or putin's) fault that the west ua folks insist on becoming something out of a comic book 565976;1395195165;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0043299 = 0.2165 BTC [+] 565977;1395195167;asciilifeform;omitting the 'nazi' would be quite like, were they to wear clown suits while doing their thing, to omit mention of said suits. 565978;1395195171;mircea_popescu;well, nationalist movements in the 21st century. it's gonna be pretty comedic. 565979;1395195187;ThickAsThieves;BitBet in WSJ! http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/18/bitbeat-bitcoin-gets-shakespearean/ 565980;1395195197;mircea_popescu;bitbeat ?! 565981;1395195207;mircea_popescu;whi not just call it beatit 565982;1395195227;ThickAsThieves;like idiots they link to BRK-B of course 565983;1395195263;mircea_popescu;"Not too many takers so far: of the 100 confirmed bets, 88 are betting on Uncle Warren. Only 12 have taken the bitcoin side of the bet. (Paul Vigna)" 565984;1395195269;Duffer1;the oracle of "Ohama" 565985;1395195270;mircea_popescu;dude this totally matters :D 565986;1395195278;mircea_popescu;ahaha this is so awful. 565987;1395195283;ThickAsThieves;I'm one of the 12 apostles! 565988;1395195287;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00429057 = 0.3647 BTC [-] {4} 565989;1395195298;mircea_popescu;hey. i guess that finally makes me baby jesus on a stick ? 565990;1395195305;ThickAsThieves;I'm the first 565991;1395195308;ThickAsThieves;apostle 565992;1395195339;mircea_popescu;thickaspaul ? 565993;1395195372;ThickAsThieves;John, of course 565994;1395195393;Duffer1;lol no mention of the size of the yes bets... 565995;1395195398;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, in sum, you're saying he's just whatever, too tired to even invent a name for the idiots so he's going with neo nazi ? 565996;1395195411;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 every vote cunts. 565997;1395195431;asciilifeform;actually there is a beautiful russian name widely in use now 565998;1395195441;asciilifeform;'майдауны' 565999;1395195469;asciilifeform;from 'майдан' (the ua square where the 'demonstration' was) and 'даун' (down's syndrome) 566000;1395195481;Duffer1;yes has 1007 votes, no has 31 votes 566001;1395195489;ThickAsThieves;I'll be there for your crucifixion, and there when no apostles are left 566002;1395195495;asciilifeform;mr. o's problem, as it often is, is that he blogs in english. 566003;1395195496;mircea_popescu;haha maidanik ? 566004;1395195501;ThickAsThieves;this is my gospel 566005;1395195511;mircea_popescu;maidownik 566006;1395195517;asciilifeform;yeah something like that 566007;1395195539;mircea_popescu;see, if he had called them maidowniks i'd have been in awe of his fucking expressivity 566008;1395195547;mircea_popescu;five hours later, when i'd have finally figured it 566009;1395195562;asciilifeform;as always, when using a technical pidgin like english, everybody loses something. 566010;1395195575;mircea_popescu;it can be made to work 566011;1395195579;asciilifeform;yes. 566012;1395195584;mircea_popescu;it just needs to be beaten black and blue and then fucked raw. 566013;1395195590;asciilifeform;i personally have attempted, on occasion, to make it go. 566014;1395195597;mircea_popescu;why do you think he was called "shake spear" 566015;1395195605;asciilifeform;lol 566016;1395195683;Shakespeare;He's rounding up the watch of his wit, by and by it will strike. 566017;1395195692;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/e33c8c5a1f69d16ced64d311a6a1799e/tumblr_n1mkz5iqKf1qk2vvro1_500.jpg 566018;1395195700;Shakespeare;winding up* 566019;1395195700;mircea_popescu;this needs a repost. those perfect butts omg. 566020;1395195717;mircea_popescu;Proof of Work. 566021;1395195731;Shakespeare;did you see that ad i linked to with the girl jiggling her butt? 566022;1395195737;Shakespeare;a few days ago 566023;1395195743;Shakespeare;so addictive for some reason 566024;1395195743;mircea_popescu;prolly not 566025;1395195760;Shakespeare;http://e1.static.hoptopboy.com/11793/21029/116669/11793B/160x600-USA_1390254805.gif 566026;1395195821;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: fuck this life, for one night you dont suck a dick and suddenly you are not a ho anymo' ? <<< bwahaha 566027;1395195846;mircea_popescu;dude srsly ? 566028;1395195850;mircea_popescu;you can not be my apostle anymore. 566029;1395195858;mircea_popescu;that's like the third most overused gif on the internet. 566030;1395195869;Shakespeare;fuck you i love it 566031;1395195882;Shakespeare;no matter how used she is 566032;1395195888;Shakespeare;i enjoy her swagger 566033;1395195893;mircea_popescu;do you even wank ? 566034;1395195900;Shakespeare;not to that 566035;1395195901;asciilifeform;and then it comes out that the grl cheated with electrodes. (suppose.) 566036;1395195906;Shakespeare;i just like it 566037;1395195912;Shakespeare;i dont seek to underdstand why 566038;1395195916;Shakespeare;i just know i do 566039;1395195932;asciilifeform;'ours is not to question why, ours is but to [wank] and die.' 566040;1395195943;mircea_popescu;haha 566041;1395195955;asciilifeform;'into the valley of reddit rode the six hundred' 566042;1395195975;mircea_popescu;Neil wanna bet on that ? 566043;1395196035;Shakespeare;I do repent the tedious minutes I with her have spent 566044;1395196118;Shakespeare;http://www.mass.gov/ocabr/media/advisories/bitcoin-advisory.html 566045;1395196119;ozbot;Consumer Alert: Buy Bitcoins at Your Own Risk 566046;1395196128;mircea_popescu;"No Mircia, US isn't confused, just disgusted with thugs like #Putin" 566047;1395196130;mircea_popescu;derp. 566048;1395196151;mircea_popescu;putin should come out of the closet as a furry or something, just to troll reddit. 566049;1395196186;Shakespeare;Putin is doing pretty well with his branding as is 566050;1395196214;Shakespeare;basically seens as the cuddly mobster with a beach bod 566051;1395196218;Shakespeare;seen* 566052;1395196219;mircea_popescu;if he did more craigkate type of stuff it'd be riotous. 566053;1395196256;asciilifeform;putin's position with respect to the u.s. is roughly similar to mpex vs. the btc wankiverse 566054;1395196262;mircea_popescu;this is the problem with large organisations and old people, they aren't in touch with the kids anymore, dunno how to really hurt them. 566055;1395196272;asciilifeform;the latter has nothing the former needs 566056;1395196283;mircea_popescu;a steady stream of "putin takes stance on making kremlin toilets use recycled paper" bs would do wonders. 566057;1395196306;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but you will notice that mpex has mpoe-pr doing a lot of fun stuff 566058;1395196314;Shakespeare;mp will you pay for my ticket from Romania to Amsterdam to go to the Bitcoin 2014 conference and call out Jon Matonis with a crowd present? 566059;1395196318;mircea_popescu;where's putin's hottie in ten inch heels ? 566060;1395196324;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.0007995 = 9.9138 BTC [-] 566061;1395196341;Duffer1;i'd put .1 on that shakespear 566062;1395196341;Shakespeare;and/or Hearn 566063;1395196343;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare no, but matonis could pay me not to pay you... 566064;1395196351;asciilifeform;the fellow he pays to take photos of him hugging (or, occasionally, shooting and stuffing) large fauna are analogous to the pr. 566065;1395196370;Shakespeare;amd/or Marco Santori 566066;1395196378;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform notrly, he doesn't have reddit comments going "reading putin's pr chick makes me physically hurt" 566067;1395196388;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare who's that one ? 566068;1395196392;Shakespeare;would you at least pay for my hash? 566069;1395196412;Shakespeare;Santori is the "bitcoin lawyer" 566070;1395196420;Shakespeare;who is generlaly horrible 566071;1395196423;mircea_popescu;nah it was murck 566072;1395196429;mircea_popescu;o, the forum one. ok ok 566073;1395196430;thestringpuller;conference is what ont the 20th? 566074;1395196431;Shakespeare;he'll be there too 566075;1395196440;thestringpuller;i have to be in germany at the end of march 566076;1395196441;thestringpuller;boo 566077;1395196459;Shakespeare;it's May 15-17 566078;1395196459;mircea_popescu;that's ok, once they reach a level where they can be helped they'll make their way here. 566079;1395196477;thestringpuller;no the MPEx conference in April 566080;1395196482;Shakespeare;yeah 566081;1395196490;Shakespeare;i'm just making excuses to do a euro toyur 566082;1395196493;thestringpuller;when did it change to may? 566083;1395196493;Shakespeare;tour 566084;1395196511;Shakespeare;Romania, Amsterdam, Cyprus 566085;1395196524;mircea_popescu;"The Piraeus bond deal underscores both the continued improvement in the perception of Greeces economy as well as the flood of cash in the financial system that has depressed returns on debt of all stripes." 566086;1395196529;mircea_popescu;dude fucking bubble from hell they're inflating. 566087;1395196538;mircea_popescu;CCC greek bank raises half a bn euros at 5.125% 566088;1395196551;Shakespeare;who the hell wants greek bonds 566089;1395196552;mircea_popescu;unsecured 3 year senior 566090;1395196555;mircea_popescu;ikr ? 566091;1395196565;mircea_popescu;i'll tell you who. all the people with worthless cash. 566092;1395196600;Shakespeare;maybe if they all trade bonds for bonds enough between countries, all the debt will go away 566093;1395196621;Shakespeare;that's the idea right? 566094;1395196641;mircea_popescu;yeah, like if you have sex with a lot of 3 year olds your hiv will be cured. 566095;1395196651;Shakespeare;kick the can, it's barely got a dent! 566096;1395196696;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller that's in like late april. 566097;1395196715;mircea_popescu;The current digital currency narrative, while certainly attractive to entrepreneurs, venture capital, and the media, is extremely "First World" in nature. And a primary question remains -- do such innovations, as we know them today, address the needs of consumers and businesses on both sides of an international transaction? 566098;1395196720;mircea_popescu;derp. 566099;1395196729;mircea_popescu;how can there be so much derp available ? 566100;1395196741;asciilifeform;the one inexhaustible natural resource. 566101;1395196742;mircea_popescu;it's like... nobody ever puts in a derp order that goes unfilled by the derpgods ? 566102;1395196751;Shakespeare;is that a WU quote? 566103;1395196754;mircea_popescu;yea 566104;1395196757;Shakespeare;... 566105;1395196760;mircea_popescu;well forbes really 566106;1395196769;Shakespeare;who do they think theyre fooling? 566107;1395196772;mircea_popescu;i mean fortune sorry. 566108;1395196777;Shakespeare;shareholders i guess 566109;1395196783;mircea_popescu;who ? do you even read the log! 566110;1395196789;mircea_popescu;"The Piraeus bond deal underscores..." 566111;1395196791;Shakespeare;not today 566112;1395196795;Shakespeare;i drank instead 566113;1395196809;mircea_popescu;i never tried that one. what's it, a vodka ? 566114;1395196809;Shakespeare;mea culpa 566115;1395196829;Shakespeare;i mixed 566116;1395196838;Shakespeare;probly regret it tomorrow 566117;1395196847;mircea_popescu;actually "instead" sounds more like a tequilla 566118;1395196848;asciilifeform;who was 'pravda' for? not every squeal that comes out of an idiot is intended to communicate - even to deceive. sometimes, it's just the croaking of frogs. 566119;1395196860;asciilifeform;it's just wired to make certain noises. 566120;1395196872;mircea_popescu;i doubt frogs croak without communicative intent 566121;1395196878;mircea_popescu;they gotta fuck 566122;1395196880;Shakespeare;whiskey, beer, some ginger drink with i think rye whiskey, beer, malbec 566123;1395196887;asciilifeform;better example, buzz of the fly 566124;1395196890;*;Shakespeare shrugs 566125;1395196892;asciilifeform;it's just the way the wings are set up. 566126;1395196894;mircea_popescu;drink some concrete, you'll be all set. 566127;1395196903;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform much better example indeed. 566128;1395196925;asciilifeform;i vaguely recall that the buzz isn't from the wings proper, but from little quasi-vestigial winglets 566129;1395196933;mircea_popescu;im sure that according to the fly's own onboard instrumentation, its flight is quiet. 566130;1395196934;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 40 @ 0.03010004 = 1.204 BTC [+] {5} 566131;1395196936;asciilifeform;whose purpose is unclear, but if removed, the insect won't fly. 566132;1395196943;mircea_popescu;stabilisation afaik 566133;1395196949;asciilifeform;they are thought to dissipate turbulence or somesuch 566134;1395196951;asciilifeform;last i checked. 566135;1395196956;mircea_popescu;something like that 566136;1395196991;mircea_popescu;benkay that blockchain thing actually soiunds like a good idea. i can't believe they're past the 24h mark. 566137;1395197002;benkay;but what criteria!? 566138;1395197035;mircea_popescu;someone offers proof of being owed ? 566139;1395197054;benkay;anyways, off to troll the local yokels about their inadequate security and absurd obeisance to the tyrant 566140;1395197056;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0540999 = 0.1082 BTC [+] {2} 566141;1395197058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 566142;1395197070;benkay;that's not easily faked? 566143;1395197073;thestringpuller;Timosora Germany Amsterdam then back home for under 3 btc 566144;1395197074;benkay;i'll be watching the logs 566145;1395197075;mircea_popescu;bloctoc if you have the fiat collateral to post im pretty sure you'll find some. you can prolly even ask coinbase. 566146;1395197076;thestringpuller;wow 566147;1395197079;thestringpuller;travel isn't bad these days 566148;1395197088;Shakespeare;my wife is pissed at me because i said people dont pasteurize chemicals and i wasnt polite enough (being wrong wasnt even the issue, as she was talking about apple cider vinegar, and i was talkign about acetic acid) 566149;1395197090;thestringpuller;TOO BAD nubbins` hasn't finished my tribute 566150;1395197113;nubbins`;too bad you only paid for the draft sketches :\ 566151;1395197116;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare make her kneel naked on dry beans for two hours. 566152;1395197117;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 251 @ 0.00410364 = 1.03 BTC [-] {7} 566153;1395197201;thestringpuller;lets resolve that right now yes yes? 566154;1395197226;mircea_popescu;lmao so i made hotel reservations today, which they confirmed in triplicate, and the girl eager to impress both her boss and his mysterious business partner guy of numerous hermetic grandeurs (ie, me) broke out the special character set : "doubl rooms" she says. 566155;1395197229;Shakespeare;this is compounded by her being mad at neil degrasse tyson for saying evolution is a fact 566156;1395197236;mircea_popescu;wait what ?! 566157;1395197264;Shakespeare;she just thinks scientists shouldnt be so arrogant about their proven theories 566158;1395197284;mircea_popescu;this woman would chew on her own liver if she ever read these logs wouldn't she. 566159;1395197289;Shakespeare;i explained that just because they say evolution is fact, doesnt mean they exclude all other possible influence 566160;1395197302;Shakespeare;she'd at least chew on mine 566161;1395197331;Shakespeare;maybe mutations arent totally random, whatever 566162;1395197341;Shakespeare;everything is true until it is untrue 566163;1395197353;mircea_popescu;so what's her alternative pet theory ? 566164;1395197358;Shakespeare;none 566165;1395197363;Shakespeare;just "mean" is bad 566166;1395197363;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: is the conference in may not april? 566167;1395197372;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller april 18-20 566168;1395197394;Shakespeare;she just thinks they need to be more open-minded 566169;1395197402;Shakespeare;i explained there is a scienctific process 566170;1395197406;Shakespeare;etc 566171;1395197417;mircea_popescu;well i agree, they should be more open minded. 566172;1395197426;Shakespeare;sure 566173;1395197435;mircea_popescu;this is like, you know, coffee should taste better. 566174;1395197448;Shakespeare;but you can see how the first statement morphed with each of my rebuttals 566175;1395197456;mircea_popescu;hence the dry beans. 566176;1395197467;asciilifeform;how come nobody goes around telling, say, electrical engineers to be 'more open minded,' and consider devils as an alternative to maxwell's equations in explaining electromagnetic phenomena ? 566177;1395197484;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.0007995 = 2.3186 BTC [-] 566178;1395197499;asciilifeform;why is it that only biologists are forced to deal with this 566179;1395197512;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform more open minded, in this context, is for instance considering the point that a severe beating is liable to be at least as effective an educational tool as speech. 566180;1395197518;Shakespeare;really the only lesson to learn is to not watch Cosmos with others 566181;1395197529;Shakespeare;it's boring as fuck anyway 566182;1395197534;asciilifeform;afaik this is not a controversial position outside of the weird anglo nature preserve. 566183;1395197550;mircea_popescu;which is a billion strong and incredibly vocal. 566184;1395197570;Shakespeare;that, and of course, that your wife is always right 566185;1395197574;mircea_popescu;people keep harping about "inequality of wealth distribution", but that fails to worry me. 566186;1395197595;mircea_popescu;what does worry me is that out of the stupidities emitted every day, said sphere leisurely owns 99.x% 566187;1395197608;mircea_popescu;while by population should only be entitled to a modest 15% 566188;1395197621;Shakespeare;well why are smart people so disinclined to reproduce? 566189;1395197633;nubbins`;because they know better 566190;1395197635;mircea_popescu;because it doesn't pay. 566191;1395197636;Shakespeare;pretty stupid, if you ask me 566192;1395197647;mircea_popescu;do youwant me to dig up my article on the topic ? 566193;1395197651;Shakespeare;at least donate sperm 566194;1395197655;nubbins`;lel 566195;1395197664;nubbins`;donate sperm, no thanks 566196;1395197666;Shakespeare;is it in Romanian? 566197;1395197673;mircea_popescu;i can't recall ;/ 566198;1395197699;Shakespeare;i watched a documentary on Romanian street kids 566199;1395197700;asciilifeform;the anglos have fucked up even sperm donation 566200;1395197715;Shakespeare;girls that look like boys, huffing paint all day 566201;1395197723;asciilifeform;us and brits both opened donors to paternity lawsuits 566202;1395197728;nubbins`;"why are smart people disinclined to put their lives and plans on hold for decades and hit a generational reset button?" 566203;1395197733;nubbins`;totally valid question D; 566204;1395197735;Shakespeare;is that still how it is in the subway? 566205;1395197772;Shakespeare;the documentary blamed it on the banning of birth control 566206;1395197786;Shakespeare;but all the kids seemed to be escaping alcoholic dads 566207;1395197838;Shakespeare;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_Underground 566208;1395197839;ozbot;Children Underground - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 566209;1395197954;mircea_popescu;huffing toluene/whatever other solvents is not that geograpghically concentrated 566210;1395197996;asciilifeform;by some accounts, we have the u.s. newspapers (circa '50s-60s) to thank for the popularity of this practice. 566211;1395198030;mircea_popescu;it may actually be genetic. about 18% or so of the population finds various aromatic hydrocarbons... aromatic. 566212;1395198038;mircea_popescu;(ie, gasoline smells good to them) 566213;1395198050;Shakespeare;i like the smell of gasoline 566214;1395198055;mircea_popescu;so there yo ugo. you're a winner. 566215;1395198059;asciilifeform;lol 566216;1395198072;mircea_popescu;you have like 30% chances to develop some types of liver cancer etc. 566217;1395198079;Shakespeare;aurolac i think, was the stuff they huffed 566218;1395198085;asciilifeform;might just be an 'irritation threshhold' phenomenon. 566219;1395198085;mircea_popescu;that's a brand name. 566220;1395198104;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what i read suggested it's the presence of particular enzimatic pathways 566221;1395198116;mircea_popescu;like some people think peanut butter smells awful 566222;1395198125;Shakespeare;i mean i dont like so much i'd seek out smelling it 566223;1395198134;mircea_popescu;their liver is just not too happy with the prospect of having to cope with that load. 566224;1395198138;Shakespeare;but there's some interest when i do 566225;1395198144;asciilifeform;'normal' phenotype doesn't really get to smell the gasoline, he goes 'aargh' from his nose dissolving a little 566226;1395198156;Shakespeare;i also love peanut butter 566227;1395198159;Shakespeare;a lot 566228;1395198164;mircea_popescu;so do most dogs 566229;1395198168;Shakespeare;well 566230;1395198178;Shakespeare;i dont like dogs particularly 566231;1395198195;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's a lot of metabolic diversity under this "all humans are humans" misguided perception. and it isn't limited to this species, either. 566232;1395198208;mircea_popescu;some dogs love chocolate. some other dogs can die spontaneously from it. 566233;1395198229;mircea_popescu;cats are fine, but i've never heard of a cat like th estuff 566234;1395198235;asciilifeform;obligate carnivores tend to have 'underpowered' liver 566235;1395198240;asciilifeform;on average. 566236;1395198245;Shakespeare;i have a cat that loves beer 566237;1395198253;Shakespeare;which i know is toxic for cats 566238;1395198253;nubbins`;onions are bad for cats 566239;1395198275;asciilifeform;the beast isn't really built to deal with plant toxins 566240;1395198283;Shakespeare;another cat loves wheat bread 566241;1395198293;Shakespeare;tears through the bag if left unattended 566242;1395198303;nubbins`;there's mixed opinions on whether tomatoes are bad for cats 566243;1395198316;Shakespeare;same cat will play fetch too 566244;1395198316;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah. but also a lot of variation there. 566245;1395198317;nubbins`;altho TBH people thought tomatoes were bad for people until what, the 1800s? 566246;1395198328;mircea_popescu;nubbins` that was due to the lead. 566247;1395198330;asciilifeform;a plant toxin the eater can't 'deal with' is poison, or drug, depending on dose and aesthetics 566248;1395198348;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i kept proposing people to make catnip illegal in the us 566249;1395198350;nubbins`;i figured it was because it's from the nightshade family 566250;1395198357;mircea_popescu;very few got the high quality trolling they were blessed with. 566251;1395198371;nubbins`;either way, imagine being the guy who discovered tomatoes are awesome 566252;1395198381;mircea_popescu;nubbins` no. this was chiefly a us phenomenon. the us at the time was poor and lazy, so most of their flatware was made of lead. 566253;1395198391;mircea_popescu;guess what happens to lead that's washed in aciding tomato juice. 566254;1395198401;asciilifeform;if catnip worked on man like it does on cat, i doubt it would be permitted even in the u.s. botanical garden. 566255;1395198402;mircea_popescu;acidic* 566256;1395198408;Shakespeare;raw tomatoes make me gag 566257;1395198413;nubbins`;it makes the food healthier? ;( 566258;1395198417;asciilifeform;(where you will find, for instance, khat - and possibly other forbidden flora) 566259;1395198424;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but why should it be allowed for cats ? it's a drug neh ? 566260;1395198427;mircea_popescu;people ABUSE their pets... 566261;1395198440;nubbins`;if cats paid taxes, catnip would be illegal 566262;1395198454;mircea_popescu;cats pay more taxes than most us dwellers. 566263;1395198462;mircea_popescu;any idea what a bag of catfood costs ? 566264;1395198467;asciilifeform;lol 566265;1395198468;nubbins`;incidentally, yes 566266;1395198472;mircea_popescu;not to mention the shit trays and medical inspections. 566267;1395198476;asciilifeform;in the town there i live, there is, theoretically, a tax on cats 566268;1395198478;asciilifeform;nobody pays 566269;1395198482;Shakespeare;i have one cat with protein allergies 566270;1395198485;Shakespeare;so they all eat duck 566271;1395198488;nubbins`;$75 to get a thermometer stuck up Pinki's ass last week 566272;1395198488;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform plenty of indirect taxes tho. everyone pays. 566273;1395198496;asciilifeform;sure. 566274;1395198557;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare http://trilema.com/2013/the-divine-cunt/ 566275;1395198564;mircea_popescu;turns out it was in english. grep "reproduce" 566276;1395198579;Shakespeare;dammit my trilema cookie reset 566277;1395198720;asciilifeform;damn, thought that was the post where you described automatic 'public impregnators' for japan 566278;1395198725;asciilifeform;turns out that was elsewhere. 566279;1395198728;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you know, paragraph long links look kinda dorky 566280;1395198745;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform most of myshit is misplaced by now. 566281;1395198775;asciilifeform;i picture this hypothetical device as being a kind of topologically reverse version of the 'milking machine' japan recently became famous for. 566282;1395198808;asciilifeform;nm - chinese! 566283;1395198812;asciilifeform;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/24/hands-free-sperm-donation-machine_n_1908437.html 566284;1395198812;ozbot;Hands-Free Sperm Extractor: Zhengzhou Central Hospital In China Introduces New Donation Machine 566285;1395198825;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31816 @ 0.00080044 = 25.4668 BTC [+] {2} 566286;1395198857;mircea_popescu;http://oglaf.com/habeas-corpus/6/ 566287;1395198858;ozbot;habeas corpus 566288;1395198863;mircea_popescu;analinguists ftw! 566289;1395198881;Shakespeare;so far Stacey Nelkin seems kinda derpy 566290;1395198918;mircea_popescu;that's the genius of it :D 566291;1395198947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00080298 = 28.1043 BTC [+] {2} 566292;1395199047;Shakespeare;as an aside while i read, do you consider a state leader imposing law that results in more children to be smart or dumb? 566293;1395199058;Shakespeare;i guess that's a loaded q 566294;1395199064;Shakespeare;needs more context 566295;1395199067;mircea_popescu;do read. 566296;1395199073;mircea_popescu;somehow stacey asks the same. 566297;1395199089;asciilifeform;Shakespeare: not unlike asking 'is a leader who imposes law resulting in more steel production smart' ? 566298;1395199096;asciilifeform;;;google chinese backyard steel 566299;1395199097;gribble;Backyard furnace - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backyard_furnace>; Great Leap Forward - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward>; The Great Leap Forward Period in China, 1958-1960: <http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/greatleap.htm> 566300;1395199132;mircea_popescu;for that matter : leadership and lawmaking are quite distinct endeavours. 566301;1395199139;mircea_popescu;a leader that imposes laws is doing something wrong. 566302;1395199200;asciilifeform;'i gave the fool an ax, to fetch some kindling sticks; and to the mosque he went, and smashed the door to bits.' (persian, bad double-translation from rus. mine) 566303;1395199220;mircea_popescu;not so bad. 566304;1395199245;mircea_popescu;incidentally it is naught but shoicking how little persian exists in english translations, 566305;1395199251;mircea_popescu;all things considered. 566306;1395199252;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41850 @ 0.00080328 = 33.6173 BTC [+] 566307;1395199257;asciilifeform;'rubaiat' and that's it, afaik. 566308;1395199301;mircea_popescu;which was british anyway. 566309;1395199307;mircea_popescu;and is quite spotty. 566310;1395199335;asciilifeform;english gentleman, afaik, wasn't expected to bother with translations, but to go out and learn languages 566311;1395199340;asciilifeform;hence we have what we have. 566312;1395199352;mircea_popescu;afaik the russian inteligentsia of today is developing quite a crush on persian cultural achievements. 566313;1395199390;mircea_popescu;(which does not map on iran at all, and which actually in the future may be the engine that liberates the poor persians from the smelly arab invaders) 566314;1395199417;asciilifeform;which achievements? classics? or this: 566315;1395199419;asciilifeform;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270619/Sharia-saw-Iran-releases-pictures-brutal-amputation-machine-chopping-mans-fingers-bid-clamp-election-dissent.html 566316;1395199420;ozbot;Sharia saw: Iran releases pictures of brutal amputation machine chopping off man's fingers in bid to 566317;1395199461;mircea_popescu;classics. 566318;1395199487;mircea_popescu;that crap is arabic not persian. 566319;1395199501;asciilifeform;sure. 566320;1395199552;asciilifeform;not sure if you could, at this point, 'separate the flies from the cutlets' (to use the rus. expression) 566321;1395199561;mircea_popescu;and if this is the next target for the suddenly found int'l cock of putin, 566322;1395199563;asciilifeform;it'd be like liberating constantinople from the turks 566323;1395199570;mircea_popescu;then we'll get perhaps to hear all about the arab nazis on orlov's blog 566324;1395199575;asciilifeform;lol 566325;1395199578;mircea_popescu;:D 566326;1395199606;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you definitely can, iran is more deeply split than the ukraine. 566327;1395199612;asciilifeform;recent word is that russian engineers (including girls) are happily collecting 'hazard pay' building infrastructure (incl. fission) for iran 566328;1395199614;mircea_popescu;you ever seen "a separation" ? 566329;1395199633;asciilifeform;and the girls are supposed to wear the bags, but piss on the demand 566330;1395199637;mircea_popescu;yeah, plenty of romanians too. 566331;1395199641;asciilifeform;good money. 566332;1395199654;mircea_popescu;they have this special immunity thing, they don't have to as long as they stay in the "foreigner" zone 566333;1395199667;mircea_popescu;they can even drink, there. 566334;1395199674;mircea_popescu;special shop, accessible by passport. 566335;1395199684;asciilifeform;the turks, if i recall, took this to a high art 566336;1395199687;asciilifeform;centuries ago 566337;1395199694;asciilifeform;(venetians) 566338;1395199706;mircea_popescu;yup 566339;1395199709;mircea_popescu;gyaurs 566340;1395199739;asciilifeform;i'm waiting for the extraterritoriality zones in the u.s., where folks are permitted to behave like human beings 566341;1395199774;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/jodaeiye-nader-az-simin/ << this is the film in quesiton. 566342;1395199775;ozbot;Jodaeiye Nader az Simin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 566343;1395199793;mircea_popescu;in it, the father teaches his pubescent daughter the difference between "us" and "those people" as a matter of course, 566344;1395199811;mircea_popescu;and generally the degree to which the society is steeped in it is clearly apparent 566345;1395199826;chetty;asciilifeform: you mean the 'reservations'? 566346;1395199828;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform precisely what the recent thing with the sec was all aobut. 566347;1395199832;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Noted for future reference 566348;1395199849;mircea_popescu;"you may continue to pretend you're a country just as soon as you come to terms with us being immune" 566349;1395199917;thestringpuller;;;echo .bait 566350;1395199918;gribble;.bait 566351;1395199919;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m83bnsfF3u1r1c1lbo1_500.jpg 566352;1395199983;mircea_popescu;.echo ;;echo .bait 566353;1395199983;ozbot;-.- 566354;1395199983;ozbot;-.- 566355;1395199983;ozbot;earn currently unavailable 566356;1395199989;mircea_popescu;aok 566357;1395200014;mircea_popescu;.echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo 566358;1395200014;mircea_popescu;;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .bait 566359;1395200014;ozbot;-.- 566360;1395200014;ozbot;-.- 566361;1395200014;ozbot;earn currently unavailable 566362;1395200015;gribble;.echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .echo ;;echo .bait 566363;1395200015;ozbot;-.- 566364;1395200015;ozbot;-.- 566365;1395200015;ozbot;earn currently unavailable 566366;1395200035;dub;hax0r 566367;1395200039;asciilifeform;chetty: u.s. 'reservations' as they presently exist aren't the least bit 'extraterritorial' - they've been busted open for something as mundane as 'war on drugs' in the past. 566368;1395200041;mircea_popescu;i have my moments 566369;1395200045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 703 @ 0.00049 = 0.3445 BTC [-] {2} 566370;1395200060;asciilifeform;proper extraterritoriality needs a genuine power, that can make it stick 566371;1395200125;mircea_popescu;usually known as the power of fuck you. 566372;1395200142;mircea_popescu;precisely what the most serene republic amply posessed and widely employed. 566373;1395200144;BingoBoingo;The bitcoinpete link is fixed 566374;1395200154;asciilifeform;exactly this. 566375;1395200180;Shakespeare;okay i'm done reading 566376;1395200183;Shakespeare;some questions 566377;1395200203;Shakespeare;could a population thrive where the role is reversed? 566378;1395200207;Shakespeare;men being raped 566379;1395200214;Shakespeare;men being the "women" 566380;1395200228;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00080013 = 20.8834 BTC [-] 566381;1395200249;Shakespeare;same question for an economy 566382;1395200250;chetty;society can not fight mother nature 566383;1395200254;mircea_popescu;not unless by "men" you understand "they with vaginas and pregnancies" 566384;1395200254;Shakespeare;women doing the work 566385;1395200267;Shakespeare;well men doing the rearing 566386;1395200270;mircea_popescu;human gender is not biologically symmetrical. 566387;1395200276;Shakespeare;sure 566388;1395200284;Shakespeare;but i didnt ask whether they were 566389;1395200297;mircea_popescu;well sure, that's the end of it. "could a planet exist with aqueous atmosphere and oceans of air ?" 566390;1395200298;mircea_popescu;no. 566391;1395200301;Shakespeare;merely if it's a role issue more than a gender one 566392;1395200301;mircea_popescu;next question. 566393;1395200326;asciilifeform;i often wonder why u.s. 'feminists' don't parade the most remarkable 'equality' freak show - post-war ussr 566394;1395200334;asciilifeform;with the burly steamroller driving girls 566395;1395200340;chetty;no its not, the roles are part of biology 566396;1395200354;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and the decorated mothers of ten. 566397;1395200379;mircea_popescu;the answer my friend (as you well know) is that feminism is not a theory, nor science, but a marketing ploy. 566398;1395200379;asciilifeform;they had serious problems with, at one point, mostly female police force in certain places 566399;1395200389;asciilifeform;would routinely be killed with own sidearms 566400;1395200390;asciilifeform;etc 566401;1395200394;Shakespeare;is your text also implying that a society which gives women fair play in the economy, ie females CEOs, equal pay, etc, is doomed the same? 566402;1395200402;mircea_popescu;actuially mostly female police seems to work wel lin columbia 566403;1395200420;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare yes. a democracy can never produce art. give the plebs the vote, you've ended painting, and music. 566404;1395200438;mircea_popescu;a society where women have a say in their reproductive history will produce a finite number of generations. 566405;1395200447;mircea_popescu;these aren't negotiable, in any manner. 566406;1395200465;Shakespeare;hmm 566407;1395200481;asciilifeform;people told 'female police force' picture 'ilsa, she-wolf of auschwitz' rather than the more likely office plankton girl next door stuffed into a uniform. 566408;1395200486;Shakespeare;what if the women become self-aware in this way 566409;1395200502;mircea_popescu;what if i knew what the words you use mean. 566410;1395200508;Shakespeare;and seek to institutionalize sifficient reproduction 566411;1395200515;Shakespeare;sufficient* 566412;1395200518;mircea_popescu;but they wouldn't. 566413;1395200532;asciilifeform;Shakespeare: scroll up for coin-operated public impregnatrons. 566414;1395200537;Shakespeare;because they wouldnt care to 566415;1395200543;mircea_popescu;not exactly. 566416;1395200546;chetty;pass a law that the wind can not blow? 566417;1395200591;asciilifeform;(2024: listed as 'S.POOJ.' ye read it here phirst.) 566418;1395200606;Shakespeare;i do suppose the nature of male is still quite that it would seek to dominate 566419;1395200621;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare now, getting back to your original q, economic independence is not problematic, just as long as its not backed by legal independence. 566420;1395200639;mircea_popescu;this is why jooz mostly survived, and middle east models allow for stable populations. 566421;1395200644;mircea_popescu;places like cyprus say. 566422;1395200655;mircea_popescu;while the economy is in fact wholly controlled by matriarchs, nevertheless they have no legal rights. 566423;1395200694;Shakespeare;and this whole perspective is more likely the more intellectual root of conservative americans concerns for the sancitity of the family? 566424;1395200717;Shakespeare;sanctity* 566425;1395200729;mircea_popescu;it's an unclear intuition in their turbid heads of something that's factually there. 566426;1395200735;asciilifeform;'intellectual root of conservative americans' concerns mainly the rust on their truck mufflers. 566427;1395200738;mircea_popescu;"if woman is not held slave to man, society ends". 566428;1395200762;Shakespeare;this certainly adds much-needed depth to their behavior 566429;1395200766;mircea_popescu;yes. 566430;1395200774;mircea_popescu;because merely saying "these people are stupid" is rather poor sociology. 566431;1395200782;mircea_popescu;stupid they may well be. 566432;1395200791;mircea_popescu;but why stupid this way rather than that still needs to be explained. 566433;1395200811;Shakespeare;same for being anti-gay i suppose 566434;1395200820;mircea_popescu;i have no idea why they'd be anti gay. 566435;1395200823;Shakespeare;where will raping men get us 566436;1395200827;Shakespeare;nowhere 566437;1395200833;mircea_popescu;i don't believe this works that far. 566438;1395200841;mircea_popescu;the romans were very openly pro-gay and worked just fine. 566439;1395200847;Shakespeare;hmm 566440;1395200849;mircea_popescu;what men do to each other does not matter in any sense. 566441;1395200882;asciilifeform;'no idea why they'd be anti gay' << same reason as in russia, as described by mr. o - 'As Prof. Cohen recently pointed out, prior to Americans' gay rights agitation, Russian gays used to be called faggots; now they are being called American faggots, and gay rights in Russia have taken a giant leap back.' 566442;1395200888;Shakespeare;and this Garden movie, still required watching you think? 566443;1395200898;chetty;don't confuse anti-gay with protect marriage - the roman gay still married and had children 566444;1395200902;mircea_popescu;which garden movie ? 566445;1395200915;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform perhaps simple knee jerk "no no no no no no " 566446;1395200919;Shakespeare;"Gardens of the Night (a 2008, also with John Malkovichiv) is yet another installment in that man’s awesome, ruefully complete, atrociously honest, blithely limpid discussion of the divine cunt. " 566447;1395200926;mircea_popescu;a yes. 566448;1395200940;mircea_popescu;it must be seen. 566449;1395200950;Shakespeare;i hope netlflix has it 566450;1395200951;asciilifeform;standard, ages-old algorithm. if you want to lower someone into bitchdom, take those he has himself lowered and forcibly lift them 566451;1395200961;mircea_popescu;one may discuss pedophilia either as an actual professional, having gone to proper school for it 566452;1395200962;asciilifeform;thereby sitting him under domination of bitches 566453;1395200969;mircea_popescu;or else as an amateur, having at least seen that film. 566454;1395200985;asciilifeform;(s/bitch/пидор for the linguistically non-challenged) 566455;1395201021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00080354 = 21.6554 BTC [+] {2} 566456;1395201044;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im not sure i follow the implication here. 566457;1395201047;asciilifeform;this is a parsimonious hypothesis to explain american 'concern' for certain 'oppressed groups' worldwide 566458;1395201070;*;mircea_popescu does the ny hand jewsture. 566459;1395201084;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see your piece on the forcible prevention of 'school bully' 566460;1395201092;asciilifeform;and its actual motivations 566461;1395201102;asciilifeform;same dynamic. 566462;1395201107;mircea_popescu;i dun believe it, tbh. they're "concerned" about gay rights for much simpler reasons, 566463;1395201112;mircea_popescu;which are purely economical. 566464;1395201134;mircea_popescu;ie : how do poor would-be "CEO"s create a rent extractive engine ? 566465;1395201146;mircea_popescu;why, by making an overseas ngo doing something like protecting gay rights. 566466;1395201153;asciilifeform;freshly-uplifted 'bullied' folks can be relied upon as lackeys 566467;1395201155;mircea_popescu;now they get to travel, which excusesd them from owning a house, 566468;1395201162;mircea_popescu;and they can ask their rich friends for money 566469;1395201164;Shakespeare;the line i feel the most, in the whole thing, is this: "If you can do anything it’ll be hard actually doing anything." 566470;1395201184;Shakespeare;that cloud has hung over me many times in life 566471;1395201195;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare my mother had me at 21, which was a reasonable time to have a kid at the time, towards the end of one's secondary studies. 566472;1395201209;mircea_popescu;she was in a room with a 17yo and a 18yo girl. 566473;1395201221;mircea_popescu;doctor told her it's fucking late to have kids in your 20s and wtf is this bs. 566474;1395201269;mircea_popescu;those 17yos are still having kids today, except "it's a problem" 566475;1395201275;mircea_popescu;and those 20yos are now waiting to be 30. 566476;1395201288;Shakespeare;indeed 566477;1395201296;Shakespeare;and soon waiting to be 40 566478;1395201297;mircea_popescu;human female is really built for primiparity around the age of 18 566479;1395201301;mircea_popescu;17, something. 566480;1395201312;asciilifeform;well, in usa 'adulthood' costs $1/2mil 566481;1395201322;asciilifeform;at least in the 'white zone' 566482;1395201342;asciilifeform;(elsewhere, $0, but it's academic to the afflicted) 566483;1395201345;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i heartily recommend having the kids in egypt. 566484;1395201353;mircea_popescu;costs ~1 dollar a day, and it's a much better environment 566485;1395201361;mircea_popescu;or w/e, was, a decade ago. maybe meanwhile went to shit. 566486;1395201373;asciilifeform;perhaps before it got ukrained. 566487;1395201387;mircea_popescu;yeah, this was cca 2004 566488;1395201389;okcjosh;whats the going consensus on the GHS futures at cex.io 566489;1395201389;okcjosh;? 566490;1395201397;Shakespeare;it seems the more blurred this line between man and woman, the more discontent is bred 566491;1395201406;mircea_popescu;okcjosh you'll have to be more specific. 566492;1395201441;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare people often misrepresent their boredom and pointlessness as "discontent" 566493;1395201451;okcjosh;will it pay off? Right now a may GHS is around 33% the price of a live GHS. Does buying 3 times as many GHS for may have a good chance of paying out more, based on estimated Diff increase? 566494;1395201455;asciilifeform;technical term, afaik, is 'ennui' 566495;1395201462;Shakespeare;i see them being all one 566496;1395201470;asciilifeform;goes well with balanced diet of 'anomie' 566497;1395201515;mircea_popescu;okcjosh when i ask you to be specific i mean about the contracts you're discussing. 566498;1395201519;Shakespeare;somehow it seems buddhism is a spawn of all this 566499;1395201527;Shakespeare;be one with being nothing 566500;1395201561;Shakespeare;i guess all religion might be a spawn of this struggle 566501;1395201577;Shakespeare;both societal and economic 566502;1395201621;mircea_popescu;the irony here being that women do not in fact object to being quite literally enslaved, 566503;1395201626;mircea_popescu;but they do prefer an actual man. 566504;1395201631;Shakespeare;indeed 566505;1395201636;mircea_popescu;and the supply of actual men is so tight... so, so tight... 566506;1395201674;Shakespeare;well morals and community and etc all serve to pervert this 566507;1395201702;asciilifeform;'drive nature out with pitchfork...' 566508;1395201725;Shakespeare;ignorance is truly bliss 566509;1395201994;dexX7;;;tslb 566510;1395201997;gribble;Time since last block: 11 minutes and 54 seconds 566511;1395202105;BingoBoingo;;;lasers 566512;1395202105;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 566513;1395202121;asciilifeform;;;synchrophasotron 566514;1395202121;gribble;Error: "synchrophasotron" is not a valid command. 566515;1395202124;asciilifeform;damn. 566516;1395202180;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43554 @ 0.00080426 = 35.0287 BTC [+] {2} 566517;1395202180;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07326103 = 0.2198 BTC [+] 566518;1395202546;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00080381 = 12.3787 BTC [-] 566519;1395202607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.0008047 = 12.9154 BTC [+] 566520;1395202707;mircea_popescu;what is with this 80-88 vibration 566521;1395202722;Chris_Sabian;huh? 566522;1395202851;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0666 = 0.1332 BTC [-] 566523;1395202852;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.053002 = 0.106 BTC [-] 566524;1395203034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40820 @ 0.00080092 = 32.6936 BTC [-] {3} 566525;1395203095;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9882 @ 0.00079933 = 7.899 BTC [-] 566526;1395203446;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Maybe someone is playing with themselves and hoping to trap someone when they break pattern? 566527;1395203737;mircea_popescu;must be 566528;1395204254;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36650 @ 0.00079924 = 29.2921 BTC [-] 566529;1395204353;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520882.msg5775230#msg5775230 566530;1395204354;ozbot;Interacting with fiat institutions [such as the SEC], a guide 566531;1395204358;mircea_popescu;check out all teh butthurt lmao 566532;1395204381;mircea_popescu;"o i had imagined i am important whai is it the case nobody cares" 566533;1395204450;mircea_popescu;.d 566534;1395204450;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1066 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.9920% in 6d 19h 26m 23s 566535;1395204742;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00079852 = 13.2554 BTC [-] 566536;1395204803;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 4000 @ 0.0001 = 0.4 BTC [-] 566537;1395204853;BingoBoingo;All this butthurt over the fact they couldn't identify operators willing to continue indefinitely instead of collapsing at the first sign of opposition 566538;1395204928;mircea_popescu;this particular guy seems more like the armchair general type. 566539;1395204957;mircea_popescu;the sort that figures that by spending an inordinate amount of time derping on the internet he has now amassed credibility and importance and should be taken seriously. 566540;1395204984;BingoBoingo;Well their derping in other of your PR's threads supports that 566541;1395204985;mircea_popescu;sort-of like the people who imagine that if they spend a lot of time adding code on github they are now decident factors in the future of the world, 566542;1395205009;mircea_popescu;just like the people who imagine that if they spend a lot of time editing wikipedia they are now qualified to whatever, direct research spending i guess. 566543;1395205047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39093 @ 0.00080439 = 31.446 BTC [+] {5} 566544;1395205047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.01690824 = 0.1014 BTC [+] {2} 566545;1395205068;mircea_popescu;"The worship appears mutual, and watching Wetern media worship a bunch of nobodys whose idea of public art is going into supermarkets and stuffing frozen chickens in their vaginas (Pussy Riot, that is) provides much-needed comic relief." 566546;1395205079;mircea_popescu;o what is this, disparaging vagina stuffing ? 566547;1395205086;mircea_popescu;such codgerism. 566548;1395205163;BingoBoingo;Sentence seems like someone who probably was just weeks ago glorifying the extremes of human performance on display at the olympics. Why the double standard for vaginal performance? 566549;1395205232;mircea_popescu;in general because old men fear shameless hussies as the likely agents of young alpha males, which is how you say "evil" for old people. 566550;1395205535;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MG] 5680 @ 0.00010001 = 0.5681 BTC [-] 566551;1395205667;BingoBoingo;I wonder how many of the Old GLBSE tards are familiar with this latest SEC email exchange? How hurt are the butts that saw Nefario just up and quit? 566552;1395205751;mircea_popescu;maybe do a poll ? 566553;1395205755;mircea_popescu;most of them are gone anyway. 566554;1395205840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 733 @ 0.00080533 = 0.5903 BTC [+] 566555;1395205852;BingoBoingo;I wonder if there is a way to get the reaction from those exchange shareholder on welfare. If only there were a log like that of their reactions to be leaked. 566556;1395205879;mircea_popescu;i suppose if you're very bored you can hunt them all down and ask them, either on irc, via forum pms or w/e. 566557;1395205895;mircea_popescu;should make for an interesting collection. 566558;1395205934;mircea_popescu;this is what reporting is made out of, after all. burning the shoe rubber all day. 566559;1395206023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.0301 = 0.7525 BTC [-] {2} 566560;1395206206;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 567 @ 0.00080598 = 0.457 BTC [+] {2} 566561;1395206267;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 17 @ 0.03001224 = 0.5102 BTC [-] {2} 566562;1395206300;dexX7;https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/800/1*A_V4-l0Loh6CFbHyM5Qg5A.jpeg 566563;1395206328;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.02996344 = 0.4495 BTC [-] {2} 566564;1395206455;bitcoinpete;allo 566565;1395206999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.00082313 = 0.1235 BTC [-] {3} 566566;1395207291;chetty;recall the talk about pilots and lasers? check this out 566567;1395207293;chetty;http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/18/airplane-pilots-hit-by-nearly-blinding-glare-from-massive-calif-solar-facility/ 566568;1395207293;ozbot;Pilots hit by 'nearly blinding' glare from solar facility | The Daily Caller 566569;1395207572;benkay;o hey high albedo shit is high albedo 566570;1395207578;benkay;WHADDAYA KNOW 566571;1395207587;benkay;well, reflective at certain angles 566572;1395207609;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33200 @ 0.00080598 = 26.7585 BTC [+] 566573;1395207612;benkay;dexX7: where'd you get that? it's excellent. 566574;1395207637;dexX7;reddit :) 566575;1395207683;punkman;here you go http://amultiverse.com/comic/2014/03/12/a-question-of-beef/ 566576;1395207847;benkay;oh hey bitcoin payments for comics 566577;1395207887;benkay;their authors generate epic backlogs of work (some of them) and the fans are slavish fans who will pay for anything 566578;1395207914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35336 @ 0.00080217 = 28.3455 BTC [-] {2} 566579;1395207934;benkay;i'm kinda amazed that Scenes from a Multiverse doesn't have a first button 566580;1395207995;punkman;wonder how these monthly subscriptions hold up, http://www.patreon.com/jonrosenberg 566581;1395208020;benkay;oh wait Shakespeare see above 566582;1395208066;benkay;no. credits 566583;1395208070;benkay;. 566584;1395208106;benkay;mireca_popescu already figured out out to monetize backlogs of content. 566585;1395208116;benkay;just...imitate those who get it? 566586;1395208193;LordPutin;anyone ableto log into the blockchain wallet atm? 566587;1395208230;benkay;LordPutin: have you tried hedging your losses on bitbet? 566588;1395208255;benkay;you might be able to troll the blockchain.info operators into putting 100B on "we totes have your butts" 566589;1395208829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00080012 = 16.0824 BTC [-] 566590;1395209013;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1300 @ 0.0043276 = 5.6259 BTC [+] {6} 566591;1395209074;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00079961 = 33.9035 BTC [-] {2} 566592;1395209244;bitcoinpete;"Blockchain’s design is based on the principle of giving users 100% control of their funds. We don’t hold your keys and we don’t hold you hostage. You are your own bank." via https://blog.blockchain.com/2014/03/18/blockchain-services-fully-restored/ 566593;1395209261;LordPutin;oh crap 566594;1395209267;bitcoinpete;written an hour ago. and they're down again. 566595;1395209278;LordPutin;i haven't had to enter mypassword in over a year 566596;1395209298;LordPutin;justbeen using it on the app and it keeps asking me to enter password 566597;1395209561;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05421217 = 0.1084 BTC [+] {2} 566598;1395209641;*;moiety retreats to -assets for safety 566599;1395209645;moiety;http://www.coinion.com/2014/02/21/mtgox-drop-bitcoin-start-trading-game-cards/ 566600;1395209762;moiety;o i thought that was way more recent //scrap 566601;1395209810;bitcoinpete;lordputin: did you set up email back-ups? either way, bc.info will be back eventually and then you can move 99% of those coins somewhere safer. http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/on-making-high-entropy-bitcoin-paper-wallets/ 566602;1395209823;benkay;hey moiety troll all the freaked out webwallet users with me 566603;1395209861;LordPutin;but what if i dont remember the password? 566604;1395209867;LordPutin;am i fucked 566605;1395209886;moiety;hey benkay ^^ 566606;1395209894;benkay;probly purt darn near 566607;1395209929;benkay;so bitcoinpete what's your background? 566608;1395209954;moiety;LordPutin: kinda fucked until site is up anyways 566609;1395209963;bitcoinpete;benkay: where does one start? 566610;1395209982;LordPutin;so when website is up can i reset my password? 566611;1395209988;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05429429 = 0.1629 BTC [+] {3} 566612;1395209990;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0666 = 0.1332 BTC [-] {2} 566613;1395210010;moiety;with magic cards, more than likely 566614;1395210034;benkay;ah goodness you're a lifeboat guy 566615;1395210048;benkay;do you know mardlin? 566616;1395210074;benkay;ah its neat to see lifeboat folks in here 566617;1395210078;moiety;http://satoshibox.com/52b22c414c347b88810041a7 or do similar to this 566618;1395210078;ozbot;Bitcoin Wallet.dat with 629.56 BTC but i lost my 4 Digit password 566619;1395210088;chetty;why does anyone use webwallets ? I really am curious 566620;1395210089;benkay;the BSc in Immunology might not be a bad place to start, bitcoinpete 566621;1395210110;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25367 @ 0.00079831 = 20.2507 BTC [-] {2} 566622;1395210114;benkay;chetty: convenience and idiocy? 566623;1395210133;benkay;baha moiety 566624;1395210153;chetty;idiocy I get but convenience? like eating fast food? 566625;1395210175;moiety;well ours just got entirely fucked over but we had half site funds in cold storage 566626;1395210184;moiety;hence no moiety for couple days 566627;1395210198;benkay;ah that's where you've been. too bad to hear, moiety. what happened? 566628;1395210214;benkay;chetty: mcdonald's is delicious if you've never had a hamburger. 566629;1395210272;moiety;someone found an exploit and abused the fuck out of it. they actually were honest and paid back but someone else witnessed it and weren't so honest. generated a huge fake balance which they tipped out. emptying our wallet. 566630;1395210293;moiety;leaving me with a total shit storm to deal with 566631;1395210296;benkay;o yikes. 566632;1395210297;moiety;\o/ 566633;1395210326;benkay;total losses, moiety? 566634;1395210397;moiety;over 100k 566635;1395210423;moiety;recovered a fair bit though :) 566636;1395210431;moiety;epic dev work 566637;1395210431;chetty;ouch 566638;1395210450;moiety;not btc!!! << play money as mircea woould say :P 566639;1395210506;benkay;yeah my eyes widened slightly for a second before reason kicked in 566640;1395210526;benkay;;;calc 100000*123 566641;1395210526;gribble;12300000 566642;1395210534;moiety;would never keep 100k+btc in hot 566643;1395210555;moiety;people are pricks seriously 566644;1395210647;benkay;ya 566645;1395210655;benkay;soft underbelly etc 566646;1395210663;moiety;present company excluded obvs 566647;1395210674;moiety;how have you guys been. yesterdays loges made me laugh 566648;1395210681;moiety;some people just dont give up huh?! 566649;1395210686;moiety;logs** 566650;1395210710;benkay;voof 566651;1395210720;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6514 @ 0.00080062 = 5.2152 BTC [+] 566652;1395210721;benkay;honestly rather glad i was traveling. 566653;1395210757;moiety;lol joe you stay away from my wallet with that name XD 566654;1395210765;moiety;benkay: anywhere nice? 566655;1395210837;benkay;the place is kinda fascinating 566656;1395210862;benkay;in a 'wheels come off society everything headed for oblivion and everyone singing blithely' sort of way 566657;1395210919;benkay;it's just not polite to say to the babe's family that their part of the world will be delivered unto the ocean along with them and all of their systems of belief and we'll all be much better for it. 566658;1395210964;benkay;theme park for nominally adult people. 566659;1395210976;benkay;and we didn't even make it to disneyland! 566660;1395211001;moiety;lolol 566661;1395211033;benkay;night moiety 566662;1395211034;moiety;and err youre right, i'd keep that to yourself re the 'rents XD 566663;1395211045;bitcoinpete;benkay: well, in a nutshell, those were the dreams-of-smed-school days, a dream resolved by B- grades and a lot of poker. after undergrad, this being alberta, i spent a year selling trucks and started blogging. after selling truck got boring, i did an after-degree in environmental health and spent 2.5 years working as a public health inspector with the province. then…bitcoin. always had an interest in tech, investing, 566664;1395211045;moiety;nanight benkay :) sleep well 566665;1395211046;bitcoinpete;philosophy, history. this clicked like nothing else. spent the last year trying to find my bearings. so here we are… blogging about mp's travails and waltzing across logs à la https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upsZZ2s3xv8 566666;1395211052;benkay;oh there's the pete 566667;1395211057;bitcoinpete;benkay: haha ya... 566668;1395211070;benkay;i was just headed out, figured i'd spooked ya ;) 566669;1395211103;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: I assume you are aware that Romania has a MLA treaty with the US 566670;1395211104;bitcoinpete;i had to hone my message, is all. still a lazy effort but alas 566671;1395211137;joecruel;antephialtic: i assume you are aware mircea is not currently in the channel 566672;1395211147;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62896897 = 1.2579 BTC [+] 566673;1395211157;antephialtic;joecruel: indeed. 566674;1395211165;bitcoinpete;benkay: it'll be your turn next time :) 566675;1395211169;moiety;gribbling ftw 566676;1395211204;joecruel;antephialtic: !later tell 566677;1395211211;joecruel;er ;; is the trigger in here 566678;1395211230;antephialtic;thanks 566679;1395211261;moiety;i have to ask every time which way round it goes lol 566680;1395211273;benkay;bitcoinpete: you're likely in a better position to more thoroughly dox me than mp already has 566681;1395211330;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 900 @ 0.00082311 = 0.7408 BTC [-] {4} 566682;1395211331;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00419804 = 2.099 BTC [-] {3} 566683;1395211342;benkay;anyways, cheerio 566684;1395211757;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05300002 = 0.424 BTC [-] {2} 566685;1395212872;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: thanks for fixing that link 566686;1395212913;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: You're welcome. 566687;1395212949;dhenson;lol @ MP's exchange with the SEC. 566688;1395212956;dhenson;Hornets nest, meet stick. 566689;1395213100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.06882051 = 0.8258 BTC [+] {10} 566690;1395213101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05316725 = 0.1595 BTC [+] {2} 566691;1395213343;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1674 @ 0.00015915 = 0.2664 BTC [-] {2} 566692;1395213344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 87 @ 0.00197917 = 0.1722 BTC [+] 566693;1395213478;moiety;BB! 566694;1395213494;moiety;how are you? 566695;1395214929;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61002 BTC [-] 566696;1395215173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00080532 = 26.5756 BTC [+] {2} 566697;1395215594;antephialtic;dhenson: I'm worried for MP. Romania has a MLAT with the US. They can request romanian gov to compel MP to produce MPEx records 566698;1395215715;chetty;the title got me: 566699;1395215718;chetty;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/18/bitbeat-bitcoin-gets-shakespearean/ 566700;1395215718;ozbot;BitBeat: Bitcoin Gets Shakespearean - MoneyBeat - WSJ 566701;1395215783;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.00432793 = 0.2986 BTC [-] {4} 566702;1395215883;chetty;Bitcoiners are none too pleased with Warren Buffett, and one acolyte is putting his bitcoin where his mouth is. 566703;1395215966;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1916 @ 0.00080598 = 1.5443 BTC [+] 566704;1395216027;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6465 @ 0.00080685 = 5.2163 BTC [+] 566705;1395216942;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15250 @ 0.00080429 = 12.2654 BTC [-] 566706;1395217613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9066 @ 0.00080685 = 7.3149 BTC [+] 566707;1395217917;Angusm3;anyone selling 0.1 bitcoin? 566708;1395218035;Angusm3;I'm buying 0.1 bitcoin for $65 CAD 566709;1395218088;KRS-1;Hey check it out Angusm3 566710;1395218090;KRS-1;.bait 566711;1395218091;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly9pe0IHB81qd819oo1_1280.jpg 566712;1395218101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07000001 = 0.35 BTC [-] 566713;1395218284;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10638 @ 0.00080685 = 8.5833 BTC [+] 566714;1395218714;kakobrekla;kako 566715;1395218720;kakobrekla;ah 566716;1395218721;kakobrekla;thats me. 566717;1395218805;dub;drop a sockie? :) 566718;1395218833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26483 @ 0.00080425 = 21.299 BTC [-] {2} 566719;1395219103;moiety;i thought i'd fallen into otc for a minute 566720;1395219232;kakobrekla;naw, i grep chan for mentions who rang 566721;1395219260;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00080685 = 11.1749 BTC [+] 566722;1395219748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47014 @ 0.00080288 = 37.7466 BTC [-] {2} 566723;1395220053;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1498 @ 0.00015996 = 0.2396 BTC [+] 566724;1395220114;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2820 @ 0.00015999 = 0.4512 BTC [+] {3} 566725;1395220175;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [+] 566726;1395220419;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.00080713 = 25.8685 BTC [+] {3} 566727;1395220602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00080865 = 24.1382 BTC [+] {3} 566728;1395220742;Radi777;damn that girl wooo 566729;1395221285;KRS-1;.bait 566730;1395221287;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lja4483cgh1qhad33o1_1280.jpg 566731;1395221299;KRS-1;gross too manish for me 566732;1395221308;KRS-1;thats like a dude with boobs. 566733;1395223286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05260503 = 0.1052 BTC [-] {2} 566734;1395223287;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06775 = 0.1355 BTC [-] {2} 566735;1395223288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] {2} 566736;1395225055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.00081001 = 25.8798 BTC [+] {2} 566737;1395225852;frenchie;nice talk with the sec 566738;1395226336;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00080906 = 9.2637 BTC [-] 566739;1395226363;HeySteve;uncompromising yet polite 566740;1395226702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61001 BTC [-] 566741;1395226763;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61 = 2.44 BTC [-] 566742;1395226885;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6022004 = 6.022 BTC [-] {6} 566743;1395228444;LordPutin;i hope mp doesn't snitch on all of us to sec, i'm scared 566744;1395228602;HeySteve;SEC seems pretty toothless to rein in Wall Street 566745;1395228614;HeySteve;Chilton said as much 566746;1395228623;HeySteve;not sure they'll have much better luck with Bitcoin 566747;1395228654;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.00081038 = 30.2677 BTC [+] 566748;1395228711;Apocalyptic;so some LordPutin is afraid of the SEC ? 566749;1395228726;Apocalyptic;sounds unlikely 566750;1395228749;LordPutin;they havea file on you as well dood 566751;1395228756;LordPutin;aren't you a bit scared? 566752;1395228761;Apocalyptic;totallt 566753;1395228766;Apocalyptic;*totally 566754;1395229081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11067 @ 0.00081038 = 8.9685 BTC [+] 566755;1395229158;chetty;it just makes your irs file fatter 566756;1395229208;mircea_popescu;.d 566757;1395229208;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1010 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.2675% in 6d 8h 39m 28s 566758;1395229226;mircea_popescu;it is simply not belivable how tight these bets get. 566759;1395229367;only;wisdom of the crowd in action? 566760;1395229461;mircea_popescu;i see no other explanation. 566761;1395229560;mircea_popescu;"all the humanistic victories of Soviet socialism" oh save me rwanda. asciilifeform what the fuck is the gent on about. 566762;1395229752;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00432959 = 0.8659 BTC [+] {2} 566763;1395229874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 828 @ 0.00432968 = 3.585 BTC [+] {2} 566764;1395229935;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 135 @ 0.00432982 = 0.5845 BTC [+] {3} 566765;1395229996;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 190 @ 0.00435 = 0.8265 BTC [+] 566766;1395230034;Izzy_;hello pa 566767;1395230047;Izzy_;rty people 566768;1395230179;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 395 @ 0.00438211 = 1.7309 BTC [+] {5} 566769;1395230240;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00081045 = 24.2325 BTC [+] {2} 566770;1395230240;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00439999 = 0.484 BTC [+] 566771;1395230342;mircea_popescu;hi. 566772;1395230972;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 31 @ 0.02566335 = 0.7956 BTC [-] {6} 566773;1395231582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14244 @ 0.00081072 = 11.5479 BTC [+] {2} 566774;1395231948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 632 @ 0.00015998 = 0.1011 BTC [-] 566775;1395232253;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.0008107 = 17.5922 BTC [-] {2} 566776;1395232619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00596453 = 0.4473 BTC [-] {5} 566777;1395233351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52518 @ 0.00081104 = 42.5942 BTC [+] {2} 566778;1395233399;thestringpuller;;;calc (0.00082 - 0.00080328) / 0.00082 566779;1395233399;gribble;0.0203902439024 566780;1395234211;Duffer1;https://www.kncminer.com/products/titan 566781;1395234571;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98850 @ 0.00081128 = 80.195 BTC [+] {3} 566782;1395234699;davout;x.eur wai u no volume? 566783;1395234736;mircea_popescu;davout tiny walls and erratic supply. 566784;1395234777;davout;mircea_popescu: tiny walls shouldn't really matter since if you place an order the mm bot will now trade against it 566785;1395234805;mircea_popescu;well how'd people know abotu this ? 566786;1395234807;davout;you'll get filled in bits of whatever its order size currently is 566787;1395234839;mircea_popescu;basically, sucess of a product - any product - is built out of predictable, dependable supply of good quality and some advertising. 566788;1395234844;mircea_popescu;which of the two have you been doing ? 566789;1395234874;davout;well, i'm now done with the former and getting busy with the latter right now 566790;1395234886;mircea_popescu;then ask again in a week or w/e :D 566791;1395234904;davout;two weeks, no volume, the mm must be running 566792;1395235123;mircea_popescu;$vwap x.eur 566793;1395235124;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: X.EUR 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 0.00212399 high: 0.00213452 low: 0.00210539 volume: 2081 btc: 4.42002826 30 day: average: 0.0020996 high: 0.00226762 low: 0.0019005 volume: 7008 btc: 14.71400992 566794;1395235236;davout;let's see how this plays out 566795;1395235287;davout;basically my point is that the mm algo is now what i imagined it to be initially, so that it should work as everyone expects it 566796;1395235486;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39350 @ 0.00080917 = 31.8408 BTC [-] {2} 566797;1395235629;ninjashogun;hi - are you around, mircea_popescu? 566798;1395235966;mircea_popescu;davout cool beans. 566799;1395236157;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 203 @ 0.00417098 = 0.8467 BTC [-] {4} 566800;1395236201;nubbins`;huh, a guy from -otc has apparently been asked to appear on one of those pawn shop reality tv shows with his casascius coins 566801;1395236225;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Is that -otc guy you? 566802;1395236229;Neil;mircea_popescu> Neil wanna bet on that ? << Time lapse, no idea what you're referring to. 566803;1395236231;nubbins`;nah 566804;1395236239;nubbins`;some guy i've sold a bunch to 566805;1395236276;mircea_popescu;Neil something you said about no more diff jumps over 20% 566806;1395236279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00417041 = 0.3336 BTC [-] {4} 566807;1395236331;Neil;mircea_popescu: Ah, absolutely. I intend to submit a bet soon but you or your stooges rejected my last one, so was waiting a while. 566808;1395236336;Neil;Quite happy to put money down 566809;1395236340;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 149 @ 0.0041704 = 0.6214 BTC [-] {3} 566810;1395236342;mircea_popescu;coolness. 566811;1395236393;Neil;In fact I consider 20% too safe; was gonna make it more interesting. 566812;1395236422;Neil;.d 566813;1395236423;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 992 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.7517% in 6d 5h 11m 16s 566814;1395236427;Neil;Lol. 566815;1395236462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47100 @ 0.00081296 = 38.2904 BTC [+] {4} 566816;1395236465;mircea_popescu;the beauty of a functioning free market, which bitbet amply is by now, is that it really doesn't matter so much : whatever value you pick the odds will probably stack correctly. 566817;1395236497;Neil;Would be interesting to see a plot of, um, what? Implied odds vs time? 566818;1395236508;Neil;With final outcome? 566819;1395236532;Neil;There are some that just turn out to be flukes at the last moment (like the gox collapse in the last 2 weeks of the gox price > 150 bet) 566820;1395236561;mircea_popescu;there's a plot of that in every bet, that little rectangle. 566821;1395236569;blackwhite;morning 566822;1395236593;mircea_popescu;speaking of which : 566823;1395236602;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla how about expanding the histograph to fill the whole section ? 566824;1395236620;mircea_popescu;like instead of going to the right of Histograph: make it go under 566825;1395236640;mircea_popescu;1.5ish as wide, about the same as tall as it is inow 566826;1395236656;Neil;b.t.w. I claim full credit for the 10% bet 566827;1395236679;mircea_popescu;a you put it in ? 566828;1395236683;Neil;Indeed 566829;1395236705;Apocalyptic;Neil, you bet on the Yes side I presume 566830;1395236722;mircea_popescu;judging by the addresses he bet on no 566831;1395236731;Neil;Well given the above info it's a matter of public record what my initial bet was. What happened thereafter is for you to guess and me to know. 566832;1395236740;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the mod stacked it 9/1, exactly opposite of the 1/11 the bettors stacked it. 566833;1395236741;mircea_popescu;insanity. 566834;1395236772;nubbins`;hmm 566835;1395236822;nubbins`;i'm trying to construct a reasonably sound bet on the price of s.mg, and i'm wondering if anyone has input on the conditions 566836;1395236837;nubbins`;i'm saying 2x par by <date> 566837;1395236859;mircea_popescu;why not make it explicit, 0.0002 by date 566838;1395236865;nubbins`;sure 566839;1395236873;nubbins`;the low volume presents a dilemma tho 566840;1395236885;mircea_popescu;vwap is vwap 566841;1395236889;mircea_popescu;$vwap s.mg 566842;1395236890;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: S.MG 1 day: average: 0.00010003 high: 0.000101 low: 0.00010001 volume: 6000 btc: 0.6001788 7 day: average: 0.00010003 high: 0.000101 low: 0.00010001 volume: 6000 btc: 0.6001788 30 day: average: 0.0001239 high: 0.000154 low: 0.00010001 volume: 11432 btc: 1.4163868 566843;1395236898;mircea_popescu;30day avg. 566844;1395236898;nubbins`;nod 566845;1395236907;nubbins`;that could work 566846;1395236919;mircea_popescu;course it'd depend on how far out 566847;1395236931;nubbins`;didn't want some bozo with a spare 20btc to just buy up and own the bet 566848;1395236945;nubbins`;is there a max limit to how far out? i was thinking april 1 2015 566849;1395236960;mircea_popescu;1 year afair 566850;1395236968;nubbins`;nod 566851;1395237007;Neil;HExKIkoPb28rVbuOluqStOoBPMv4KqE9b1CiajC7EVABy2jYunQxN0BzhF9CXD1Z301C1Krsrd60pgw+DvQgPs4= 566852;1395237018;nubbins`;trying to find a way to turn this warrant into something that generates money before it's cashed ;D 566853;1395237019;Neil;Signature of "Neil" with the payout addr of the 10% bet 566854;1395237090;mircea_popescu;how do those things even work ? 566855;1395237101;Neil;What things? 566856;1395237114;mircea_popescu;incidentally, people running bots : how about adding a command that will parse one of these sigsigned shits into human format ? 566857;1395237134;mircea_popescu;;;sig HExKIkoPb28rVbuOluqStOoBPMv4KqE9b1CiajC7EVABy2jYunQxN0BzhF9CXD1Z301C1Krsrd60pgw+DvQgPs4= -> string "string" signed by address "adress" on date "date" 566858;1395237134;gribble;Error: "sig" is not a valid command. 566859;1395237138;mircea_popescu;ikr? 566860;1395237155;nubbins`;hmm 566861;1395237164;Neil;Not sure re bots 566862;1395237184;mircea_popescu;would take some c/p from github, but why not ? 566863;1395237188;Apocalyptic;mircea, I believe the address nor the date is included in the sig, it's just a b64 ecoding of binary data 566864;1395237213;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic because the powerfully retarded rangers are retarded. that format is fucking useless. 566865;1395237223;mircea_popescu;but perhaps it could somehow be extended into utility ? 566866;1395237224;Apocalyptic;yes it kinda is 566867;1395237224;Neil;I think you need the signature, the message and the address. I doubt 2 of those 3 is enough for software 566868;1395237235;Neil;Not even sure it's possible without the actual public key. Is it? 566869;1395237247;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. 566870;1395237253;Neil;hehe 566871;1395237260;mircea_popescu;i've never read how sigsig is actually implemented in code. 566872;1395237269;BingoBoingo;I was under the impression the sig contained the unhashed Pub key of an address 566873;1395237278;kakobrekla;yes address is good enough, still need all 3 566874;1395237281;Neil;BingoBoingo: I suspect you're right 566875;1395237284;mircea_popescu;i thought so too 566876;1395237327;mircea_popescu;lol china accepts new zealand dollar convertibility ?! 566877;1395237341;mircea_popescu;are they intending to colonize that island or what. 566878;1395237383;Neil;mircea_popescu: Was amusing to read your 1-way conversation with the SEC. Did they respond beyond what you posted, or did it just go silent? 566879;1395237397;mircea_popescu;went silent. 566880;1395237400;mircea_popescu;which is why i posted. 566881;1395237405;mircea_popescu;two weeks is the term. 566882;1395237407;Neil;Cool, thought as much 566883;1395237420;Duffer1;they'd need more than just a request from a functionary in order for things to get more interesting 566884;1395237426;Neil;waxman had enough of being made the fool of 566885;1395237435;mircea_popescu;her job sucks,. for the record. 566886;1395237441;Duffer1;no doubt 566887;1395237449;mircea_popescu;she spent 100k / 10 years in school in order to find a shitty office job, 566888;1395237450;Neil;Well, that's her choice. My jobs sucks, so I quit 566889;1395237459;mircea_popescu;which requires her basically to try and get people to talk to her on the phone 566890;1395237463;mircea_popescu;and read a script to them. 566891;1395237480;Duffer1;<--available for that job 566892;1395237486;mircea_popescu;she's no different from the average indian girl, except the indian girl is 19 not 29 566893;1395237498;Neil;But given her intro, I'm sure she loved the effect that "enforcement office for the SEC" or whatever it was had on 90% of the plebs 566894;1395237501;mircea_popescu;so really, it sucks to be her in ways one doesn't really fathom 566895;1395237512;kakobrekla;free caek 566896;1395237515;kakobrekla;http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.2640;topicseen 566897;1395237517;ozbot;Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] 566898;1395237521;mircea_popescu;Neil so people think, but from what i know the bureaucrats rarely actually enjoy their job 566899;1395237536;Neil;mircea_popescu: I'm certain you're right. 566900;1395237552;Neil;But unluckily for them it's the best they've got, in most cases 566901;1395237555;mircea_popescu;if given the choice, this girl would have been doing something a little less retarded with her life. 566902;1395237563;mircea_popescu;however, she was born in the soviets. 566903;1395237569;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: I was about to post that, Mining Company can't operate shovels, sells shovels 566904;1395237578;kakobrekla;lel 566905;1395237604;kakobrekla;i already told them what they are figuring out now, half a year ago 566906;1395237613;kakobrekla;but, no slander. 566907;1395237616;BingoBoingo;Interesting to see how many alts Garr can manage for all of this shill bidding 566908;1395237617;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i have a quote for you somewhere 566909;1395237638;mircea_popescu;Quote from: kokonut on March 17, 2014, 10:02:54 AM 566910;1395237638;mircea_popescu;You are the sort of brainwashed halfwit who thinks the responsibility for the lost BTC of MtGOX customers lies with the customers, because "it's their fault for using MtGOX". 566911;1395237639;mircea_popescu;there. 566912;1395237647;mircea_popescu;brainwashed halfwit. 566913;1395237661;kakobrekla;heh 566914;1395237672;kakobrekla;i have nothing. 566915;1395237672;Neil;I hope the next 5 years makes joe blow aware of his level of brainwashing. But not holding my breath. 566916;1395237698;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520882.msg5781787#msg5781787 566917;1395237700;ozbot;Interacting with fiat institutions [such as the SEC], a guide 566918;1395237702;Neil;Yesterday had "exit interview" at bigcorp from which I resigned my shitty job. 566919;1395237722;Neil;As always, asked to sign "Confidentiality agreement". Turned up without said paper, amongst all the rest. 566920;1395237737;Neil;Usual game of "didn't we ask send you the papers". 566921;1395237762;Duffer1;they'll dick around with your severance if you don't sign that 566922;1395237764;Neil;"Yes". "But I'm not gonna sign it for you for the first time, given my history of not signing this shit". "Oh, OK." 566923;1395237768;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=516308.0 566924;1395237770;ozbot;Possible Scammer - John K 566925;1395237779;nubbins`;neil, good for you 566926;1395237796;Neil;Duffer1: This company has no leverage at all! The previous one did, but still did nothing. It's all just lawyer crap. 566927;1395237815;Duffer1;good 566928;1395237818;Neil;Previous one had about $250k of restricted stock. 566929;1395237825;nubbins`;BingoBoingo again?! 566930;1395237846;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Well he was the escrow for so many shitty forum things 566931;1395237859;nubbins`;capital-E Escrow, even 566932;1395237884;mircea_popescu;namworld / jurov what's BingoBoingo;s link all about ? 566933;1395237897;Neil;That $250k went straight into BTC as soon as it could 566934;1395237904;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no but this happens to be connected, scrat;s runnig coinroll or something, afaik 566935;1395237933;BingoBoingo;Ah 566936;1395237954;jurov;well John K was holding 100btc escrow for coinroll raffle 566937;1395237960;BingoBoingo;This whole John K escrow thing just shows why Multisig is super bad 566938;1395237972;jurov;for purpose if Scrat was not available or whatever 566939;1395237983;mircea_popescu;aha ? 566940;1395237992;jurov;and indeed it happened, but John did not pay 566941;1395238006;mircea_popescu;what, just like that ? 566942;1395238012;jurov;and he's still silent even after Scrast told him to 566943;1395238021;mircea_popescu;nuts ?! 566944;1395238047;kakobrekla;yummy yummy btc. 566945;1395238294;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 566946;1395238353;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.06666024 = 0.6666 BTC [-] {4} 566947;1395238473;HeySteve;I had funds with JohnK during his long unexplained absence 566948;1395238485;HeySteve;I thought he made good with everyone, or is this a new episode? 566949;1395238498;mircea_popescu;new episode 566950;1395238507;kakobrekla;might be a season 566951;1395238534;BingoBoingo;http://deadspin.com/five-year-old-mutton-bustin-rider-eats-it-1546800351 566952;1395238534;ozbot;Five-Year-Old Mutton Bustin' Rider Eats It 566953;1395238536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15711 @ 0.00080959 = 12.7195 BTC [-] 566954;1395238565;mircea_popescu;lol 566955;1395238601;Neil;I recall there was a John K scam accusation that lasted about 3 wks last September-ish, and went quiet in an unconvincing way. 566956;1395238605;Neil;So not surprised to see this now 566957;1395238719;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 440 @ 0.00223045 = 0.9814 BTC [+] {2} 566958;1395238719;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-] 566959;1395238725;HeySteve;is there someone you guys would recommend to handle escrow? 566960;1395238743;mircea_popescu;HeySteve i have a few btc in escrow with salty spitoon atm 566961;1395238780;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 160 @ 0.00223045 = 0.3569 BTC [+] 566962;1395238829;mircea_popescu;$vwap x.eur 566963;1395238830;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: X.EUR 1 day: average: 0.00223045 high: 0.00223045 low: 0.00223045 volume: 600 btc: 1.33827 7 day: average: 0.00214782 high: 0.00223045 low: 0.00210539 volume: 2681 btc: 5.75829826 30 day: average: 0.00210992 high: 0.00226762 low: 0.0019005 volume: 7608 btc: 16.05227992 566964;1395238838;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1/ 0.00223045 566965;1395238838;gribble;448.340021072 566966;1395238841;nubbins`;i've done maybe 10btc worth of deals and escrow with salty 566967;1395238853;nubbins`;he's not on irc tho, forums only 566968;1395238871;HeySteve;ok thanks, will speak to salty next time 566969;1395238874;nubbins`;np 566970;1395238877;mircea_popescu;tell him to come on irc lol 566971;1395238882;nubbins`;i'd offer to escrow, but who am i, anyway? :D 566972;1395238920;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust nubbins` 566973;1395238921;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0148w-142134196038.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user nubbins`: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013 566974;1395238929;nubbins`;oh, that's who! 566975;1395238932;mircea_popescu;not that bad. 566976;1395238947;HeySteve;;;getrust nubbins` 566977;1395238948;gribble;Error: "getrust" is not a valid command. 566978;1395238962;nubbins`;you missed a T 566979;1395238963;HeySteve;I don't get output 566980;1395238971;HeySteve;;;gettrust nubbins` 566981;1395238971;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0148w-142134196038.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user HeySteve to user nubbins`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=HeySteve&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013 566982;1395238971;nubbins`;you typed get rust 566983;1395238976;nubbins`;and i'm not rusted ;( 566984;1395238976;mircea_popescu;lol get rust 566985;1395238984;HeySteve;ah ha... still not tho 566986;1395239012;Neil;mircea_popescu: Kinda surprised by your faith in WoT. I'm not on it, but have had many dealings with reputable "players". Not sure I believe anything on it, given the rep it assigned to "pirateat40" just before he "did the inevitable". 566987;1395239013;mircea_popescu;anduck went negative ? when did that happen ? 566988;1395239025;nubbins`;HeySteve: well, if you don't have a WoT identity, ;;gettrust isn't going to do anything for you :) 566989;1395239026;HeySteve;do I need to be registered for WoT? 566990;1395239027;mircea_popescu;Neil didja read mpoe-pr's discussion of that topic ? 566991;1395239028;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: scammorz 566992;1395239036;mircea_popescu;nubbins` seriously ? details ? 566993;1395239039;Neil;mircea_popescu: Maybe, maybe not. 566994;1395239049;nubbins`;http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=anduck 566995;1395239050;ozbot;Rating Details for User 'anduck' 566996;1395239052;Neil;Read a lot of garbage. Signal-to-noise is tought. 566997;1395239054;Neil;tough 566998;1395239057;nubbins`;looks like a bunch of socks 566999;1395239071;nubbins`;(and rg) 567000;1395239073;mircea_popescu;a that's bs. 567001;1395239078;mircea_popescu;Neil https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.msg1227871#msg1227871 567002;1395239084;nubbins`;HeySteve: yep, you do 567003;1395239085;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00416001 = 0.5949 BTC [-] 567004;1395239086;mircea_popescu;it's a tool. it doesn't work by itself. 567005;1395239090;nubbins`;;;rated anduck 567006;1395239090;gribble;You rated user anduck on Thu Nov 7 11:50:53 2013, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: patron of the arts. 567007;1395239103;mircea_popescu;lol 567008;1395239110;Daphna_A_Waxman_;hello all 567009;1395239113;Daphna_A_Waxman_;can you read this? 567010;1395239116;mircea_popescu;hello cam888 567011;1395239120;Apocalyptic;lol 567012;1395239121;mircea_popescu;oops i mean Daphna_A_Waxman_ 567013;1395239122;nubbins`;and they say government grants are the only way to make a living in the arts. 567014;1395239123;Duffer1;ha 567015;1395239134;Daphna_A_Waxman_;Hi Mircea 567016;1395239150;Daphna_A_Waxman_;I'm not recording this conversation 567017;1395239159;Daphna_A_Waxman_;Anything we discuss is between you and I. 567018;1395239171;Daphna_A_Waxman_;I can promise you confidentiality. 567019;1395239172;mircea_popescu;that's nice, but this is a public channel and it is logged, as per the topic. 567020;1395239174;mircea_popescu;!topic 567021;1395239183;BingoBoingo;Daphna_A_Waxman_: Actually this channel is recorded and logged 567022;1395239183;kakobrekla;!topic 567023;1395239198;mircea_popescu;that aside, when did you get transferred to thailand ? 567024;1395239202;nubbins`;^ HEH 567025;1395239203;kakobrekla;no u confuse me mp, its ;; 567026;1395239204;BingoBoingo;http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com 567027;1395239205;kakobrekla;;;topic 567028;1395239206;gribble;http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com 567029;1395239207;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 387 @ 0.00416 = 1.6099 BTC [-] 567030;1395239219;mircea_popescu;spammors the lot of ye. 567031;1395239223;Daphna_A_Waxman_;I'm just here on a sex vacation. 567032;1395239236;HeySteve;story checks out 567033;1395239242;mircea_popescu;this is the wrong instagram. 567034;1395239244;Daphna_A_Waxman_;The girls in this country are amazing! They will do ANYTHING 567035;1395239244;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 567036;1395239297;mircea_popescu;anyway, 6/10. 567037;1395239321;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla GOT YOU :D 567038;1395239322;Neil;mircea_popescu: Yeah. Not sure if MP == MPOE, but yeah I realize most of that. I've felt it's not worth the effort (small group of people who know each other in real life has been enough so far) but I get the point, but not convinced yet. 567039;1395239327;nubbins`;HeySteve: /msg gribble help eregister is as good a place as any to stary 567040;1395239329;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 269 @ 0.0041103 = 1.1057 BTC [-] {2} 567041;1395239330;nubbins`;*start 567042;1395239346;mircea_popescu;Neil well whatever works, you know ? 567043;1395239359;Neil;Workage == low, it seems so far 567044;1395239361;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, the wot existed in other implementations every time small groups wanted to trade on a large scale. 567045;1395239362;HeySteve;thanks Nubbins, will do so. been meaning to check out the system for a while 567046;1395239378;mircea_popescu;basically you're telling me that you don't need a hansa seal because you only trade in novgorod 567047;1395239384;nubbins`;it's one of those things that behooves you to get straightened away sooner rather than later 567048;1395239391;HeySteve;http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/04/eye_opener_porn_and_federal_wo.html 567049;1395239391;ozbot;Federal Eye 567050;1395239391;nubbins`;so don't wait too long ;D 567051;1395239393;mircea_popescu;good for you, but once you wish to send your kid to marry some chick in goteborg you damned straight will. 567052;1395239396;Neil;But for that reason I found it amusing you asking that waxman loser to get herself on WoT 567053;1395239414;HeySteve;SEC was fiddling while Rome burnt 567054;1395239443;LordPutin;i'm worried about sec is going to do to mp next :( 567055;1395239449;LordPutin;we need mp in the bitcoin community 567056;1395239475;Neil;bitcoin doesn't need a community or anything or anyone. That's why it rocks. 567057;1395239503;mircea_popescu;LordPutin i read somewhar on the forum that he's a dinosaur - well, at least when wearing heels - and will soon be superseded by some random forumer with opinions 567058;1395239506;mircea_popescu;so nothing to worry. 567059;1395239510;Neil;But there exists a bunch of interesting characters. That's undeniable. 567060;1395239518;LordPutin;oh i thought it was a girl 567061;1395239524;LordPutin;sounded like a girls name 567062;1395239552;nubbins`;i bet you think nikita is a girl's name, too 567063;1395239557;mircea_popescu;it is. 567064;1395239563;mircea_popescu;hruschev was a gal. 567065;1395239564;*;nubbins` cackles 567066;1395239570;mircea_popescu;full figured gal* 567067;1395239573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00080828 = 36.6959 BTC [-] {3} 567068;1395239580;Neil;Eh? I work with a nikita. Convinced it's a dude. 567069;1395239582;Neil;Was I wrong? 567070;1395239592;nubbins`;what is "wrong", anyway? 567071;1395239596;Neil;lol 567072;1395239605;HeySteve;ok nubbins, I have a GPG key, will work through this 567073;1395239632;Shakespeare;"The Apaches were never defeated because they didn't fight in the open" well... 567074;1395239647;nubbins`;great. upload it to a keyserver, /msg gribble eregister heysteve <key id>, and you're off 567075;1395239665;nubbins`;oh, and keep your keys safe ;( 567076;1395239696;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+] 567077;1395239697;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00411 = 0.3946 BTC [-] 567078;1395239713;Shakespeare;United States of Apache 567079;1395239766;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/#comment-98572 < 567080;1395239766;ozbot;Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 567081;1395239773;mircea_popescu;updated with the pdf cause apparently ppls wanted it. 567082;1395239821;jurov;so you did not hear from them since? 567083;1395239843;nubbins`;dat inconsistent capitalization 567084;1395239862;mircea_popescu;nop. 567085;1395239863;mircea_popescu;http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/04/eye_opener_porn_and_federal_wo.html 567086;1395239863;ozbot;Federal Eye 567087;1395239881;mircea_popescu;this is extremely lulzy, especially seeing how the girl claimed (and i believe her) tyhat she can't get on freenode. 567088;1395239889;Anduck;mircea_popescu: negbombers. gettrust matters 567089;1395239890;mircea_popescu;so on one hand, they can't do their jobs. on the other, jacking off all day anyway 567090;1395239894;LordPutin;maybe shes here now 567091;1395239896;mircea_popescu;Anduck aha. 567092;1395239899;*;LordPutin hides 567093;1395239952;Shakespeare;the pdf says itself the whole thing is voluntary 567094;1395239991;Duffer1;"This inquiry is non-public.." 567095;1395240018;only;Erik, quick, get a Romanian passport 567096;1395240044;asciilifeform;what's it take to get one of those, anyway ? 567097;1395240082;only;you need a Moldavian one, first, and you can actually buy one 567098;1395240121;Shakespeare;"In one instance, a regional office staff account admitted viewing pornography on his office computer and on his SEC-issued laptop while on official government travel. Another staff account received nearly 1,800 access denials for pornography Web sites in a two-week period and had more than 600 images saved on her laptop’s hard drive, the report said." 567099;1395240130;Shakespeare;kinda sounds like he was hacked or sumth 567100;1395240148;nubbins`;Shakespeare: HER 567101;1395240151;nubbins`;:o 567102;1395240166;Shakespeare;"A senior attorney at SEC headquarters in Washington admitted he sometimes spent as much as eight hours viewing pornography from his office computer, according to the report. The attorney’s computer ran out of space for the downloaded images, so he started storing them on CDs and DVDs that he stored in his office." 567103;1395240167;Shakespeare;wow 567104;1395240170;nubbins`;"nearly 1,800 access denials" 567105;1395240171;nubbins`;imagine 567106;1395240190;nubbins`;"well, the last 1,799 times i've tried to load motherless, it's been blocked... maybe today is the day" 567107;1395240219;Shakespeare;"This stunning report should make everyone question the wisdom of moving forward with plans to give regulators like the SEC even more widespread authority," Issa said 567108;1395240256;Shakespeare;man these people consume mas porn 567109;1395240280;nubbins`;mucho mas 567110;1395240299;nubbins`;(with a shout-out to pynchon) 567111;1395240348;LordPutin;why are theyso interested in s.diceanyway, was the sale illegal? 567112;1395240375;asciilifeform;for dekulakization, most likely. 567113;1395240376;Shakespeare;well as i understand it, most SEC investigations are a reaction 567114;1395240382;Shakespeare;so likely someone filed a complain 567115;1395240383;Shakespeare;t 567116;1395240389;LordPutin;ahh ok 567117;1395240394;LordPutin;makes sense 567118;1395240427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [7C] 50 @ 0.00284602 = 0.1423 BTC [-] 567119;1395240444;Shakespeare;if i had to guess, it'd be someone who either felt gypped by his offering of the added tranches, and/or someone that felt gypped by the closing settlement 567120;1395240478;nubbins`;my mother is a gypsy, you insensitive clod 567121;1395240482;Duffer1;or the IRS just looking for its pound of flesh 567122;1395240488;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-] 567123;1395240489;LordPutin;id sayitsthesecond one 567124;1395240499;Shakespeare;well at least her people stole a verb outta the deal 567125;1395240549;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00596183 = 0.5962 BTC [-] {4} 567126;1395240610;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.08001 = 0.8001 BTC [-] {2} 567127;1395240622;Neil;"Trapped in the indecision of another fine menu". Love it 567128;1395240699;HeySteve;hey nubbins, I made a new cert and put the revoke on an encrypted volume. any idea where GPG places the cert itself in Windows? 567129;1395240725;nubbins`;you can export your private key pretty easily via command line 567130;1395240732;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.02125914 = 0.2126 BTC [-] {4} 567131;1395240756;HeySteve;ok but I want to place the original in the encrypted volume so no one can access it (easily) 567132;1395240793;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.01600027 = 0.32 BTC [-] {2} 567133;1395240798;HeySteve;or is that stored within GPG somehow and not accessible? still pretty new at this stuff 567134;1395240799;nubbins`;nod. no idea where it's stored right now, but export spits it out as plaintext 567135;1395240813;nubbins`;which you can then copy, paste into a text file on your encrypted whatever 567136;1395240846;only;or a buthurt gambler, perhaps? 567137;1395240852;HeySteve;I see, should probably work out if there's another copy just hanging around on the HD 567138;1395240854;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18078 @ 0.00080959 = 14.6358 BTC [+] 567139;1395240911;nubbins`;probably, but it's encrypted with your impossibly long, difficult to guess passphrase 567140;1395240927;nubbins`;gpg --export-secret-key -a "username" 567141;1395240937;nubbins`;try that 567142;1395240989;nubbins`;gpg --export-secret-key -a "username" --output privatekey.asc 567143;1395241113;HeySteve;ok thanks 567144;1395241128;nubbins`;it'd be prudent to try restoring these keys on another machine, as well 567145;1395241149;nubbins`;what's the usefulness of a backup you can't restore, etc 567146;1395241245;Shakespeare;"The Fed has been targeting a 6.5% unemployment rate as a gauge to start discussing when to raise interest rates. But several Fed officials have said they don’t find the jobless rate reference useful now that the rate, at 6.7% in February, is near the 6.5% threshold." 567147;1395241301;Ghaleon;2Mircea <- one tuff dude! 567148;1395241311;Ghaleon;Daphne is sweatin!! 567149;1395241340;Shakespeare;https://bitcoin.org/bin/0.9.0/README.txt 567150;1395241342;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 63 @ 0.00181043 = 0.1141 BTC [-] {11} 567151;1395241405;Shakespeare;Fork in 3... 2... 567152;1395241437;Neil;.d 567153;1395241437;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 977 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.4696% in 6d 1h 37m 20s 567154;1395241443;Neil;hah 567155;1395241569;HeySteve;I can get it to display the key but not output to a file for some reason 567156;1395241586;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.05427484 = 1.0855 BTC [+] {6} 567157;1395241587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00080973 = 16.4375 BTC [+] {2} 567158;1395241587;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0666 = 0.4662 BTC [-] 567159;1395241621;HeySteve;you have to put the output switch upfront is all 567160;1395241625;HeySteve;dir 567161;1395241647;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.05438232 = 0.9245 BTC [+] {5} 567162;1395241708;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.05558566 = 0.7782 BTC [+] {12} 567163;1395241710;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 567164;1395241769;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05685 = 0.1137 BTC [+] {2} 567165;1395241770;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06583333 = 0.1975 BTC [-] {3} 567166;1395241771;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 567167;1395241810;Shakespeare;yknow who needs to be jailed, the Domain Registry of America people 567168;1395241844;Shakespeare;they send snailmail to clients all the time as what appears to be a renewal bill 567169;1395241855;Shakespeare;but really it's just a trick 567170;1395242047;Neil;"The Fed has been targeting a 6.5%..." Joke? Like they think they can target anything? The world gets on witih it, they sit there observing. 567171;1395242055;Apocalyptic;^ 567172;1395242153;artifexd;I put my gpg key id on my website. Should I link it to a plain text file of the key or to its location on a key server? 567173;1395242256;mircea_popescu;"Another staff account received nearly 1,800 access denials for pornography Web sites in a two-week period and had more than 600 images saved on her laptops hard drive, the report said." << HER drive ?! 567174;1395242266;mircea_popescu;and people say women don't watch pronz. 567175;1395242286;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare this will be nice data for when people start bitching about .bait 567176;1395242296;the20year1;any more news from teh SEC? 567177;1395242318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.0056706 = 0.2382 BTC [-] {3} 567178;1395242381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 567179;1395242384;Shakespeare;.bait 567180;1395242385;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/avatar_eeeea3db0bc8_512.png 567181;1395242397;Shakespeare;ew 567182;1395242406;Apocalyptic;artifexd, you could do both 567183;1395242411;BingoBoingo;.bait 567184;1395242412;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m32bcx3aHO1qi9yn5o1_500.jpg 567185;1395242415;mircea_popescu;Ghaleon ello. 567186;1395242440;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07299999 = 0.146 BTC [+] 567187;1395242459;Apocalyptic;artifexd, but I would rather go for the plain text file I think 567188;1395242516;mircea_popescu;"The new behavior of `walletpassphrase` is to set a new unlock time overriding 567189;1395242516;mircea_popescu;the old one:" 567190;1395242519;mircea_popescu;this is so fucking stupid. 567191;1395242522;mircea_popescu;who did that! 567192;1395242562;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42595 @ 0.00081027 = 34.5135 BTC [+] 567193;1395242564;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 567194;1395242565;artifexd;Apocalyptic Thank you for your opinion. 567195;1395242592;Ghaleon;Hi Mircea 567196;1395242598;Ghaleon;you kicked serious ass brother 567197;1395242603;Ghaleon;the writing was also excellent 567198;1395242612;Ghaleon;Ms. Waxman was shocked I am sure 567199;1395242623;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0551034 = 0.1653 BTC [+] {3} 567200;1395242624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.065 = 0.195 BTC [-] {3} 567201;1395242625;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-] {3} 567202;1395242626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00081344 = 14.8046 BTC [+] 567203;1395242631;Ghaleon;telling a Sec investigator to find you on IRC..... that will go down in history 567204;1395242632;mircea_popescu;cheers. 567205;1395242648;mircea_popescu;i tell that to everyone, what. people gotta get with the times. 567206;1395242651;Ghaleon;imagine Ben Bernanke pops up here 567207;1395242655;Ghaleon;lol 567208;1395242659;kakobrekla;he will get banned 567209;1395242663;mod6;lol 567210;1395242664;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla whai 567211;1395242670;kakobrekla;spamming usd 567212;1395242673;kakobrekla;fuck dat 567213;1395242673;Ghaleon;lolz 567214;1395242677;mircea_popescu;first pankkake stoled his coin, nao you ban him ? 567215;1395242719;kakobrekla;no spam policy is strict 567216;1395242776;Ghaleon;without Spamming Ben will fade away... the boy must spam to sustain himself 567217;1395242813;nubbins`;$vwap s.mg 567218;1395242814;mpexbot;nubbins`: S.MG 1 day: average: 0.00010003 high: 0.000101 low: 0.00010001 volume: 6000 btc: 0.6001788 7 day: average: 0.00010003 high: 0.000101 low: 0.00010001 volume: 6000 btc: 0.6001788 30 day: average: 0.0001239 high: 0.000154 low: 0.00010001 volume: 11432 btc: 1.4163868 567219;1395242835;kakobrekla;anyway 567220;1395242837;JessicaS;hi 567221;1395242838;kakobrekla;ben is out of the picture 567222;1395242851;nubbins`;wow, 6k btc volume today 567223;1395242856;kakobrekla;he is irrelevant 567224;1395242875;Ghaleon;yeah but Ben still has the US NAVY in his pocket 567225;1395242880;Shakespeare;http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/mar/19/bitcoin-danish-national-bank 567226;1395242881;ozbot;Bitcoins are like 'glass beads', warns Danish national bank | Technology | theguardian.com 567227;1395242882;kakobrekla;so discussion about baning him is fruitless 567228;1395242902;Ghaleon;it is a battle of inches folks. we are making awesome ground. a peoples currency will remove their main pillar of control 567229;1395242916;BingoBoingo;O.o Interesting bet http://bitbet.us/bet/790/mpex-to-become-/ 567230;1395242932;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla what if he comes here for his retirement 567231;1395242959;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you made that ? 567232;1395242964;kakobrekla;what if we dont play what if! 567233;1395242973;Shakespeare;lol 567234;1395242978;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Of course 567235;1395243001;mircea_popescu;i guess ima put a little on no, hedge this properly. 567236;1395243065;BingoBoingo;Wonder if it will turn into a 1000 BTC+ nailbiter near the end 567237;1395243137;Shakespeare;"UK's new 12-sided £1 said to be the world's most secure coin" 567238;1395243149;Shakespeare;more sides = more security 567239;1395243158;Apocalyptic;many sides, such secure 567240;1395243161;Apocalyptic;seriously 567241;1395243177;kakobrekla;12 sided coin? 567242;1395243188;kakobrekla;you mean its not round? 567243;1395243204;Shakespeare;well it's low-resolution round 567244;1395243215;Shakespeare;12bit gfx 567245;1395243231;HeySteve;;;gpg info HeySteve 567246;1395243231;gribble;User 'HeySteve', with keyid F8E87076CA58441F, fingerprint B14929A9933420C966FB409EF8E87076CA58441F, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Mar 19 11:30:37 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=HeySteve . Currently authenticated from hostmask HeySteve!HeySteve@unaffiliated/heysteve . 567247;1395243233;kakobrekla;how does that make for security 567248;1395243235;mircea_popescu;low resolution round hahaha 567249;1395243241;kakobrekla;i thought the great invetion was the wheel 567250;1395243242;mircea_popescu;anywyaq, they had those before, the half quid iirc 567251;1395243245;kakobrekla;not the square 567252;1395243249;kakobrekla;or the box 567253;1395243250;kakobrekla;or whatever 567254;1395243253;kakobrekla;rectangle 567255;1395243297;Shakespeare;Reverend Jesse Jackson calls out Silicon Valley for lack of racial and gender diversity 567256;1395243298;Shakespeare;sigh 567257;1395243326;kakobrekla;you only have 4 genders there? UNACEPTABRU 567258;1395243365;Shakespeare;must import katecraig to reach homeostasis 567259;1395243373;LordPutin;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDLwu4E35us 567260;1395243373;ozbot;Putin: Crimea similar to Kosovo, West is rewriting its own rule book (FULL SPEECH) - YouTube 567261;1395243386;mircea_popescu;homeostahahahaha 567262;1395243389;LordPutin;so true 567263;1395243393;Shakespeare;:) 567264;1395243403;mircea_popescu;LordPutin his mistake is to call it "the west" 567265;1395243412;mircea_popescu;he should simply speak of the us, drive the eu wedge all the way. 567266;1395243413;LordPutin;great speech 567267;1395243416;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06649992 = 0.1995 BTC [+] {3} 567268;1395243423;LordPutin;good point mircea 567269;1395243442;mircea_popescu;already the traitorous bunch (italy, france, etc) 567270;1395243446;mircea_popescu;are looking for an exit of ignorance 567271;1395243463;mircea_popescu;("i didn't cheat on you honey, the us forced me me!!1 I was duped, and raped!! ") 567272;1395243469;LordPutin;Putin should just be the president of europe 567273;1395243471;HeySteve;;;gettrust HeySteve 567274;1395243471;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask HeySteve!HeySteve@unaffiliated/heysteve. Trust relationship from user HeySteve to user HeySteve: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=HeySteve&dest=HeySteve | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=HeySteve | Rated since: never 567275;1395243526;nubbins`;does bitbet explicitly state that it uses UTC, or should a bet itself make note of this? 567276;1395243532;LordPutin;20mins in he starts talkign about the us 567277;1395243537;LordPutin;andhe's spot on 567278;1395243544;mircea_popescu;gmt, in faq 567279;1395243546;Ghaleon;Putin = THE MAN 567280;1395243549;nubbins`;ok 567281;1395243559;Shakespeare;http://www.picshag.com/pics/092009/computers-are-racist.jpg 567282;1395243559;Ghaleon;Mircea, good point about driving a wedge between ruope and the usa 567283;1395243594;Ghaleon;Europe sees how cool and fair Putin is... people r getting sick of the usa's meddling and hypocrisy 567284;1395243594;LordPutin;i'm going to name my kid putin because i want him to grow up strong and handsome 567285;1395243604;LordPutin;very true ghaleon 567286;1395243615;mircea_popescu;Ghaleon no, more like europe doesn't give a shit and needs the gas. 567287;1395243627;mircea_popescu;"man faces a felony charge after he was arrested by police at a township board meeting when he refused to stop talking past a three-minute time limit for public comment. " 567288;1395243629;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ^ 567289;1395243640;nubbins`;wow 567290;1395243640;BingoBoingo;Lol 567291;1395243646;mircea_popescu;i guess asciilifeform ^ too 567292;1395243652;nubbins`;man can no longer vote after speaking for 181 seconds 567293;1395243653;mircea_popescu;the soviets never did this, even. 567294;1395243657;BingoBoingo;Wasn't me this time 567295;1395243668;BingoBoingo;Allegedly 567296;1395243685;BingoBoingo;Eh, I voted yesterday anyways 567297;1395243722;Ghaleon;we are going thru our Boleshevik revolution now here in the usa 567298;1395243722;thestringpuller;;;ud you heard? 567299;1395243723;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=you%20heard | A subsitute for 'y'know, often heard in jails or prison uttered by uneducated inmates during conversation between cells. Can be used to validate th... 567300;1395243724;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: you heard 567301;1395243729;LordPutin;.putinbait 567302;1395243732;LordPutin;http://www.awsm.com/img/2010/vladimir-putin-riding-bear.jpg 567303;1395243752;nubbins`;"For this bet to resolve as YES, 30-day VWAP of S.MG must be above 0.0002 on MPEx on October 1, 2014." << thoughts? seem simple enough? 567304;1395243805;Shakespeare;http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/217065/fox-news-affiliate-accidentally-broadcasts-dick-pic/ 567305;1395243806;mircea_popescu;on mpex is spurious 567306;1395243826;mike_c_z;you specifically want "on"? not "on or before"? 567307;1395243827;nubbins`;don't want some schmo arguing about havelock PT 567308;1395243839;mircea_popescu;"This is shocking, because nobody in the world has ever seen a penis before. Life as we know it will never be the same." 567309;1395243842;BingoBoingo;;; ud poopsterbate 567310;1395243843;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=poopsterbate | Apr 30, 2005 ... I heard Mark poopsterbating on the toilet last night. Andy enjoys to poopsterbate. "Want to watch me poosterbate?" Stephen asked. by ShawnB ... 567311;1395243843;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: poopsterbate 567312;1395243845;mircea_popescu;especially those two broads. 567313;1395243857;Shakespeare;they were only prparing 567314;1395243860;Shakespeare;not surprised 567315;1395243866;Shakespeare;open wide! 567316;1395243867;nubbins`;mike_c_z: specifically on october 1, yep 567317;1395243880;mircea_popescu;kik 567318;1395243889;nubbins`;i don't want to have to be constantly checking it 567319;1395243899;mircea_popescu;;;estimate 567320;1395243910;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | None based on data since last change | 4616703922.4 based on data for last three days 567321;1395243918;mircea_popescu;uh 567322;1395243925;mircea_popescu;;;diff 567323;1395243925;gribble;4.2502179198695354E9 567324;1395244005;Apocalyptic;.d 567325;1395244006;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 975 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.0906% in 6d 2h 4m 7s 567326;1395244033;mircea_popescu;nuts. 567327;1395244043;Shakespeare;Auto dealers fire back at Tesla CEO: 'This Musk guy, he wants all the profits for himself' 567328;1395244047;Shakespeare;... 567329;1395244064;mircea_popescu;"for his own car" 567330;1395244092;BingoBoingo;Putin might have some competition http://sploid.gizmodo.com/watch-the-chinese-air-force-bombing-the-yellow-river-to-1547130234 567331;1395244126;Shakespeare;"They wanted to go direct, which means no sales force. That’s cutting out a lot of people. No way that’s gonna fly." 567332;1395244130;Shakespeare;i just dont get it 567333;1395244141;mircea_popescu;it's new york. 567334;1395244145;mircea_popescu;this is what they do. 567335;1395244149;mike_c_z;"During negotiations Musk left the auto dealers waiting for two hours while he checked with his manager" 567336;1395244169;mircea_popescu;they figure they're worth something on the grounds they exist. 567337;1395244214;Shakespeare;makes me want a Tesla, really 567338;1395244223;Shakespeare;i dont drive enough to care though 567339;1395244280;sheldonthomas;hi. are havelock investment questions relevant in this channel 567340;1395244317;nubbins`;sure 567341;1395244367;sheldonthomas;in the neobee prospectus it says "LMB Holdings, nor any employee, affiliate, or consultant are liable for any losses caused by default, theft, exploitation, manipulation, “hacking”, or software errors within the host exchange." 567342;1395244376;jurov;only havelock staff is not here 567343;1395244377;sheldonthomas;shouldn't that be are _not_ liable 567344;1395244381;sheldonthomas;i see 567345;1395244382;sheldonthomas;well 567346;1395244386;nubbins`;heh 567347;1395244390;nubbins`;yep, that's poor wording 567348;1395244394;sheldonthomas;there's a typo in the prospectus 567349;1395244394;sheldonthomas;ok 567350;1395244396;sheldonthomas;just checking, thanks 567351;1395244406;nubbins`;guess they forgot the "Neither" 567352;1395244417;jurov;sheldonthomas you plan to exploit it? 567353;1395244421;nubbins`;proofreading is important 567354;1395244430;nubbins`;too bad nobody bothers 567355;1395244452;mike_c;;;seen topace 567356;1395244452;gribble;topace was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 2 hours, 28 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <topace> ^ you'll have to contact support 567357;1395244453;sheldonthomas;no exploit -- but i must admit, that's a surefire way to turn off a prospective investor 567358;1395244501;jurov;mike_c: topace isn't the staff for several months already 567359;1395244503;kakobrekla;i thought it would turn you on 567360;1395244511;kakobrekla;whut 567361;1395244515;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10805 @ 0.00081333 = 8.788 BTC [-] 567362;1395244522;mike_c;well, he's still staff. just not owner. 567363;1395244522;kakobrekla;topace is not hl anymo? 567364;1395244523;mircea_popescu;sheldonthomas they're experts with actual lawyers and everything, not some random clueless kids without an education 567365;1395244537;mircea_popescu;as a result their contracts say exactly what they mean : LMB is responsible for any havelock theft etc 567366;1395244543;Apocalyptic;kako, allegedly 567367;1395244546;mircea_popescu;both as an entity as well as all its principals etc. 567368;1395244559;mircea_popescu;nubbins` there's no sauch thing as poor wording in a contracxt. 567369;1395244563;mircea_popescu;what it says is what is. 567370;1395244577;jurov;kakobrekla even if he still is, he defers everything to panamanians 567371;1395244579;kakobrekla;but a kiss is not a contract 567372;1395244582;sheldonthomas;at mircea that's very enlightening thanks for the clarification 567373;1395244584;kakobrekla;i mean prospectus, not kiss. 567374;1395244591;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla he claims he's no longer involved, quite transparently fraudulently. 567375;1395244606;kakobrekla;where did he claim that 567376;1395244612;Apocalyptic;here 567377;1395244613;mike_c;he claims he is technical side only 567378;1395244614;mircea_popescu;it's in this log actually. 567379;1395244625;kakobrekla;fuckin noobs not reading the log, i hate those 567380;1395244628;mircea_popescu;ikr? 567381;1395244634;mircea_popescu;some people got a dayjob, yo! 567382;1395244642;kakobrekla;hehe 567383;1395244642;mircea_popescu;can't hang out here all day watching KRS-1's pron 567384;1395244673;topace;hi 567385;1395244677;sheldonthomas;mircea_popescu but upon further thought the sentence still doesn't make sense because of "nor" in the context of making an action-positive statement 567386;1395244691;mircea_popescu;so they added a spurious n. typo. 567387;1395244694;topace;i am indeed no longer involved with the BUSINESS side of havelock 567388;1395244697;kakobrekla;topace is there an official statement re you and hl 567389;1395244699;topace;but i am still involved in the technical side 567390;1395244714;topace;since many months 567391;1395244717;Shakespeare;the wording has been updated for clarification 567392;1395244730;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare one can "update" contracts nao ?! 567393;1395244734;mircea_popescu;what is this, like gigavps ? 567394;1395244742;kakobrekla;Shakespeare you are with neobee? 567395;1395244752;sheldonthomas;it needs the word "Neither" at the beginning or to not use the word "nor" at all 567396;1395244759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.34873140 BTC to 3`970 shares, 59162 satoshi per share 567397;1395244759;kakobrekla;a prospectus is not a contract ? 567398;1395244761;topace;November 1, 2013 officially the operation of havelock was handed off to the panama fund s.a. 567399;1395244765;ThickAsThieves;nor has been removed 567400;1395244778;jurov;topace, can't you make them man the irc? so that they aren't so outrageously clueless? 567401;1395244796;mircea_popescu;jurov empty virtual offices can not man irc. 567402;1395244816;nubbins`;"19-03-2014PendingMark Karpeles, Mt. Gox CEO, to be Murdered or Imprisoned" 567403;1395244822;nubbins`;well that reads like a badbet 567404;1395244851;kakobrekla;its a pass the bomb kinda thing, nefario and ukyo failed on that 567405;1395244866;LordPutin;lol approve plz 567406;1395244875;jurov;mircea in the process of coiroll listing, we are interacting with some virtual entities that seem too stupid to be completely virtual 567407;1395244876;kakobrekla;btctc tried since get go 567408;1395244880;asciilifeform;gasenwagenbait. 567409;1395244881;kakobrekla;nobody took a bite 567410;1395244894;mircea_popescu;jurov lmao i see 567411;1395244904;topace;no, i cant make them "man the irc" 567412;1395244921;mircea_popescu;or exist, for that matter. 567413;1395244941;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 1.99112370 BTC to 13`595 shares, 14646 satoshi per share 567414;1395244941;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07299999 = 0.146 BTC [+] 567415;1395244942;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0542 = 0.542 BTC [-] {4} 567416;1395244947;topace;the offices are real, feel free to visit them in panama, several community members already have 567417;1395244955;mircea_popescu;or, in the immortal words of costanza, 567418;1395244956;mircea_popescu;GEORGE: Or we don't even send the check and then when they call, we pretend we're the cleaning service. Heh heh. "Hello? I sorry, no here Kruger." 567419;1395244959;kakobrekla;theres a po box and everything 567420;1395244995;jcpham;confirmed legit 567421;1395245009;jcpham;google map'd it bro 567422;1395245030;kakobrekla;i was there, saw him do it 567423;1395245064;LordPutin;please allow that Mark Karpelas bet to happen 567424;1395245155;kakobrekla;i dun think it fits the rules 567425;1395245221;nubbins`;^ 567426;1395245229;nubbins`;putting out a murder-for-hire does indeed break the rules 567427;1395245246;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05559995 = 0.1112 BTC [+] {2} 567428;1395245331;LordPutin;or imprisoned 567429;1395245349;asciilifeform;imprisonment-for-hire ? 567430;1395245353;mircea_popescu;lol 567431;1395245357;jcpham;i already dialed 911 and reported the chat 567432;1395245364;jcpham;everyone stay calm 567433;1395245365;mircea_popescu;there's exactly 0 way he can end up in jail this year. 567434;1395245368;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00449839 = 0.2249 BTC [-] {4} 567435;1395245377;mircea_popescu;this will be argued in court for a while 567436;1395245413;kakobrekla;i would have thrown myself outta window 567437;1395245418;kakobrekla;in his shoes 567438;1395245435;kakobrekla;prolly even before starting gox 567439;1395245440;asciilifeform;speaking of which, 567440;1395245441;asciilifeform;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-18/28-year-old-former-jpmorgan-banker-jumps-his-death-latest-series-recent-suicides 567441;1395245443;ozbot;28-Year Old Former JPMorgan Banker Jumps To His Death, Latest In Series Of Recent Suicides | Zero He 567442;1395245452;asciilifeform;'street pizza.' 567443;1395245460;kakobrekla;cool 567444;1395245463;LordPutin;i would like to see a bitbet that australia wontwin a single group match for the world cup this year 567445;1395245467;LordPutin;not sure how to word it tho 567446;1395245490;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05435 = 0.1087 BTC [-] {2} 567447;1395245500;jurov;don't forget to include which sport it is 567448;1395245510;nubbins`;streetza 567449;1395245584;only;asciilifeform: isn't 28 a bit kindof early? 567450;1395245606;mircea_popescu;$vwap X.IDIFF.MAR 567451;1395245608;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: X.IDIFF.MAR 1 day: no data 7 day: no data 30 day: average: 0.00294764 high: 0.003 low: 0.00290837 volume: 350 btc: 1.031674 567452;1395245614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 567453;1395245621;nubbins`;zerohedge sure does know how to make a comment thread easy to read 567454;1395245639;nubbins`;i find i digest information most easily when it's crammed into a fuckin one-inch column 567455;1395245660;jurov;mircea_popescu: you already liquidating it? just got something 567456;1395245677;mircea_popescu;jurov yup preparing announcement 567457;1395245689;mircea_popescu;nubbins` word. 567458;1395245699;mircea_popescu;goes in and out of ass easier that way 567459;1395245703;nubbins`;heh. 567460;1395245722;nubbins`;"reader comments: now easier than ever to pass" 567461;1395245734;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.06729989 = 0.3365 BTC [+] {4} 567462;1395245758;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/18/5523262/insect-evolves-to-eat-poisonous-corn 567463;1395245759;ozbot;The hunter becomes the hunted: insect evolves to eat poisonous corn | The Verge 567464;1395245777;ThickAsThieves;a friend of mine actually is one of the scientists working on these kind bug killers 567465;1395245795;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74537 @ 0.00080863 = 60.2729 BTC [-] {3} 567466;1395245818;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: you ever get your mp-as-hitler portrait sorted after? 567467;1395245833;mircea_popescu;haven't received it yet. 567468;1395245838;mircea_popescu;end of month was deadline iirc ? 567469;1395245843;nubbins`;can't recall 567470;1395245861;nubbins`;thestringpuller was commissioning a portrait of you for the conference, but he sat on his hands too long and it won't be ready 567471;1395245866;nubbins`;shame, it was gonna be pretty sick 567472;1395245874;nubbins`;mp as napoleon ;0 567473;1395245878;mircea_popescu;afaik he's not actuallyt comin so prolly why 567474;1395245923;nubbins`;there's sketches somewhere 567475;1395245965;nubbins`;was gonna be a cross between the picture of you squinting in the desert and this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Napoleon4.jpg 567476;1395246100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06981818 = 0.768 BTC [-] {4} 567477;1395246112;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/xidiffmar-has-settled/ 567478;1395246113;ozbot;X.IDIFF.MAR has settled. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 567479;1395246205;kakobrekla;oh wow. 567480;1395246217;mircea_popescu;nubbins` not exactly a novel idea http://trilema.com/2011/arogante-ngrozitoare/ 567481;1395246232;nubbins`;HEH. 567482;1395246256;ThickAsThieves;"I see myself forced to conclude the contract is not well understood by market participants, which is a problem that will have to be addressed." 567483;1395246264;kakobrekla;faggot pants 567484;1395246270;ThickAsThieves;you could always improve the design 567485;1395246277;jurov;^ yes, i'm very curious how circumspectly is mp gonna fix it 567486;1395246294;ThickAsThieves;obv jurov and i have beat this horse enough though 567487;1395246311;jurov;*haven't 567488;1395246311;kakobrekla;ThickAsThieves you mean the css? 567489;1395246320;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves the design ?! of the contract ? 567490;1395246328;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu make it bold 567491;1395246330;kakobrekla;and italics 567492;1395246342;ThickAsThieves;yeah surely that's what i meant 567493;1395246344;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.0008128 = 31.0083 BTC [+] {3} 567494;1395246345;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i thought we could just show up in romania on the 17th and just listen to what people had to say 567495;1395246349;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla my faggot pants are more css than yours :D 567496;1395246356;ThickAsThieves;i mean the design of the instrument 567497;1395246356;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: there was no official registration except for VIP's 567498;1395246368;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller mebbe, on some days. 567499;1395246375;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves specifically ? 567500;1395246398;jurov;mircea you refused several times to publish the cumulative cover 567501;1395246409;jurov;so that it would be clear to everyone how much it is 567502;1395246413;jurov;that's all 567503;1395246418;ThickAsThieves;well i havent thought much on recently, but you could publish what it actually is 567504;1395246422;ThickAsThieves;or, not cap it 567505;1395246437;mircea_popescu;but it was clear to everyone that 2.9x times previous cover would be a top limit i would imagine 567506;1395246448;mike_c;the contract was understood by whoever sold contracts above the limit :) 567507;1395246454;ThickAsThieves;you imagined wrong, you said as much already 567508;1395246454;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves so i don't cap it. you come to make a contract, have to deposit infinity btc. 567509;1395246457;thestringpuller;nubbins`: we can still go further with it how bout I send you more btc rite nao? 567510;1395246459;jurov;or 2.9*2.9*previous, or whatever 567511;1395246462;mike_c;so probably half the participants understood 567512;1395246472;mircea_popescu;mike_c well sure. 567513;1395246477;ThickAsThieves;is this different that not capping options? 567514;1395246482;ThickAsThieves;than* 567515;1395246493;mircea_popescu;yes. 567516;1395246501;mircea_popescu;options are settled in btc. this is not settled in hashes. 567517;1395246513;mircea_popescu;if there existed a way to physically deliver we wouldn't have this problem at all. 567518;1395246517;mircea_popescu;but there's no way to meter hash. 567519;1395246523;ThickAsThieves;hashes represent the USD rate 567520;1395246527;ThickAsThieves;not the settlement 567521;1395246533;ThickAsThieves;in my comparison 567522;1395246546;mircea_popescu;you'll have to formalise that. 567523;1395246564;mircea_popescu;x.idiff is hash->btc ; o.usd is usd->btc 567524;1395246566;nubbins`;thestringpuller: sure, whatever works for you 567525;1395246569;thestringpuller;how would physical delivery keep you from having to deliver infinite usd? 567526;1395246587;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller because you could sell 1trn hashes per contract or somesuch. 567527;1395246588;kakobrekla;but infinite usd is not impossible 567528;1395246595;ThickAsThieves;lol 567529;1395246601;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla it is nao, since you booted bernanke 567530;1395246613;mike_c;i don't see the problem. 350 contracts sold over the last 30 days by someone who didn't understand. so they lost .1 btc and now they understand. 567531;1395246627;kakobrekla;cant be booted if one doesnt join in the first place 567532;1395246629;mike_c;everyone else understood, and didn't trade. 567533;1395246637;thestringpuller;infinity is not finite, it's unreachable someone might as well physically deliver you a printer 567534;1395246639;ThickAsThieves;the "problem" is not a problem in that sense 567535;1395246640;thestringpuller;or a fed print shop 567536;1395246645;BingoBoingo;Maybe being Satoshi was Bernake's way of hating his day job 567537;1395246651;ThickAsThieves;it is more an issue of optimizing the product 567538;1395246656;ThickAsThieves;to increase usage 567539;1395246657;mircea_popescu;mike_c i guess so. was it actually one party doing it ? 567540;1395246678;ThickAsThieves;assuming the goal is for action to occur on mpex 567541;1395246684;mike_c;there were only a few bids up above the cap. the seller was likely probably one person :) 567542;1395246707;ThickAsThieves;there's certainly more market to be had 567543;1395246717;ThickAsThieves;look at bitbets 567544;1395246725;ThickAsThieves;and these deprived schemes 567545;1395246733;ThickAsThieves;B.SELL etc 567546;1395246757;mircea_popescu;surely. 567547;1395246778;ThickAsThieves;so you can cling to the current design and blame the user 567548;1395246789;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://bitbet.us/bet/790/mpex-to-become-sec-recognized-sro-in-2014#b3 567549;1395246793;ThickAsThieves;or you can accept that you do have power over the design 567550;1395246802;ThickAsThieves;and seize teh day 567551;1395246804;mircea_popescu;power over the design i have, but over reality i do not. 567552;1395246840;ThickAsThieves;so allow ability for writer to publisj the cap 567553;1395246846;ThickAsThieves;jurov solved this issue long ago 567554;1395246875;mike_c;so the suggestion is contracts with different caps? 567555;1395246877;ThickAsThieves;you could even have multiple listings, like options 567556;1395246881;ThickAsThieves;all with different caps 567557;1395246884;mircea_popescu;derp. 567558;1395246892;mircea_popescu;contracts with different caps are different contracts. 567559;1395246893;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I imagine that could be one of the happiest Bitcoins you could ever part with 567560;1395246901;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you guessed it sister :D 567561;1395246902;benkay;a man once spoke to me about explicit collateralization of options. 567562;1395246916;benkay;i informed him it'd make for a downright wacky marketplace. 567563;1395246929;benkay;on the topic of non-sentient-beings: http://amultiverse.com/comic/2010/07/19/sentient-gardens/ 567564;1395247014;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I know the benkay and bitcoinpete readings of the emails are that the SEC will crash into you. I like to think that decoding your last email has been assigned to a few committees and all of the summer interns 567565;1395247091;ThickAsThieves;i wonder how badly they even want to bother with sorting you out 567566;1395247161;benkay;if he straight up ignored the girl she'd probably go bonkers 567567;1395247167;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Well if they are reading the logs, I would be happy to sort them out with the GPG and registering with the WoT 567568;1395247198;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37704 @ 0.00080693 = 30.4245 BTC [-] {3} 567569;1395247366;midnightmagic;mircea_popescu: that's hilarious. :-) Thank you for sharing with us your SEC interaction; I hope you continue to do so. For what it's worth, I am being sincere. 567570;1395247385;benkay;https://github.com/pierce403/keyhunter 567571;1395247428;mike_c;;;calc e ** (log(2.9)/6) 567572;1395247428;gribble;1.19417048496 567573;1395247447;mike_c;if difficulty increases stay this low, cap won't be a problem 567574;1395247505;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00080665 = 19.8436 BTC [-] {2} 567575;1395247747;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.054 = 0.108 BTC [-] 567576;1395247869;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38750 @ 0.00081406 = 31.5448 BTC [+] {4} 567577;1395247869;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.05497645 = 0.9346 BTC [+] {4} 567578;1395247870;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06610012 = 0.1322 BTC [-] 567579;1395247879;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/britain-reveals-new-12-sided-pound-coin-1.2578747 567580;1395247879;ozbot;Britain reveals new 12-sided pound coin - Business - CBC News 567581;1395247881;nubbins`;harsh portrait 567582;1395247907;mike_c;!t h mine 567583;1395247909;assbot;You had the last Philistine. This one's mine. 567584;1395247918;mike_c;!t h b.mine 567585;1395247919;assbot;[HAVELOCK:B.MINE] 1D: 0.05250001 / 0.0542931 / 0.05710000 (152 shares, 8.25255158 BTC), 7D: 0.03960000 / 0.04840514 / 0.06902300 (1585 shares, 76.72214039 BTC), 30D: 0.03960000 / 0.05003398 / 0.06902300 (6430 shares, 321.71848642 BTC) 567586;1395247919;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522390.msg5777151 567587;1395247920;ozbot;MODERATORS OF THIS FORUM ARE DEFENDING BLOODY ZIONISTS 567588;1395247929;mircea_popescu;midnightmagic cheers 567589;1395248077;kakobrekla;cog thread is more fun 567590;1395248084;kakobrekla;fuckin gold with cherry on top 567591;1395248144;BingoBoingo;Cog is a little special 567592;1395248220;kakobrekla;so this ltc pump is driven by knc making scrypt asic 567593;1395248226;kakobrekla;or am i missing something 567594;1395248235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05499998 = 0.33 BTC [+] {3} 567595;1395248236;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06610004 = 0.1322 BTC [-] 567596;1395248249;BingoBoingo;Hard to tell, last night someone blamed the LTC rally on China 567597;1395248295;asciilifeform;possible that ltc market has become 'lightweight' enough to simply 'throw' 567598;1395248301;asciilifeform;or whatever the technical term for this is. 567599;1395248540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.11950724 = 1.1951 BTC [-] 567600;1395248758;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo china is this beloved myth 567601;1395248765;mircea_popescu;like you know, messianic 567602;1395248800;BingoBoingo;Well, for most people most things are either myth or magic 567603;1395248877;BingoBoingo;One can spend all day imagine brains with an MRI tube without having the slightest idea about what Magnetic Resonance is. 567604;1395248912;mircea_popescu;"I don't get it. Why do you insist on making everyone think MPOE-PR is not MP? Why deceive your customers with something so trivial to figure out? 567605;1395248912;mircea_popescu;That's just weird." 567606;1395248914;mircea_popescu;win. 567607;1395248915;ThickAsThieves;best evidence i have is "last I heard from a chinese parent in my kids chinese class (which was maybe a few months back) in that in China EVERYONE was into litecoin." 567608;1395248925;mircea_popescu;i should take a bet for when this mpoe-pr = mp thing finally dies. 567609;1395248952;BCB;ballsy 567610;1395248978;BingoBoingo;bitcoinmagazine.com/11259/illinois-virtual-currency-and-the-transmitters-of-money-act/ 567611;1395248989;ThickAsThieves;'New Slang For Unconfirmed Transactions? Dorians' 567612;1395249017;sheldonthomas;ThickAsThieves awesome 567613;1395249024;nubbins`;heh 567614;1395249032;nubbins`;man i've got this fuckin dorian stuck for days now 567615;1395249033;BingoBoingo;Shit might be useful if people announced things were happening today on a timeline with greater advanced notice than a single day 567616;1395249042;BCB;who runs this channel 567617;1395249050;nubbins`;gribble ;p 567618;1395249054;ThickAsThieves;the community 567619;1395249058;BCB;what's MP's handel 567620;1395249063;BCB;nick 567621;1395249069;nubbins`;guess 567622;1395249071;mircea_popescu;guess 567623;1395249073;mircea_popescu;damnit 567624;1395249076;ThickAsThieves;lol 567625;1395249078;BCB;mircea_popescu: ballsy 567626;1395249078;nubbins`;you owe be a beer 567627;1395249081;BingoBoingo;BCB: Generally kakobrekla runs the channel MP's handle is... 567628;1395249084;nubbins`;*me 567629;1395249093;mircea_popescu;my handle is a bar moustache 567630;1395249113;BCB;mircea_popescu: you command of the english language is impressive 567631;1395249117;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves haha splendid. 567632;1395249145;ThickAsThieves;"Today, however, founder Tim Sweeney is announcing a new business model: Epic will charge just $19 a month, and 5 percent of a game developer's gross revenue, for access to the complete Unreal Engine set of tools and even its source code." 567633;1395249146;mircea_popescu;BCB As the wolly-haired Melanasians of Papua, New Guinea once said, (Makes a series of clicking and popping sounds) 567634;1395249162;nubbins`;http://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2015/ 567635;1395249165;ozbot;BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2015 567636;1395249170;nubbins`;does it usually take a while for initial bets to appear? 567637;1395249193;ThickAsThieves;yeah sometimes 567638;1395249195;nubbins`;i sent one along immediately after submitting the bet 567639;1395249196;nubbins`;ah, k 567640;1395249204;nubbins`;maybe waiting for confirms 567641;1395249226;benkay;(re: "who runs this": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBmMU_iwe6U) 567642;1395249228;mircea_popescu;yeah a block or so. 567643;1395249281;nubbins`;right-o 567644;1395249297;nubbins`;figured i'd sweeten the pot a bit 567645;1395249376;BingoBoingo;I still can't believe Illinois did not invite me to their hearing on Virtual currencies as an honored distinguished guest, and that news of it happening didn't even reach me until it is two hours too late to start driving and make it on time. 567646;1395249434;benkay;(specifically http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VBmMU_iwe6U#t=64) 567647;1395249687;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo clearly they're stonewalling you 567648;1395249699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299998 = 0.365 BTC [+] 567649;1395249708;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Clearly. 567650;1395249718;nubbins`;[14:50:31] <Inkata> can anyone point me to a modern way to sign contracts? real-life contracts with crypto? 567651;1395249726;nubbins`;surely there's an article written on this, anyone got a title handy?? 567652;1395249741;mircea_popescu;didn't bingo write something about that ? 567653;1395249752;BingoBoingo;Eh, Maybe I'll find out about Missouri's version of this thing in time. Jefferson city is a more pleasant drive than Springfield anyways 567654;1395249767;BingoBoingo;;;google the drinking record GPG 567655;1395249768;gribble;PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>; Contact and Credentials | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/contact-and-credentials/> 567656;1395249776;mircea_popescu;nubbins` but otherwise you can just you know... show him a mpex contract 567657;1395249784;asciilifeform;depends on what you mean by 'real life contracts' 567658;1395249784;mircea_popescu;three years later they're still the standard in practice 567659;1395249788;BingoBoingo;;;google the drinking record digital signatures 567660;1395249789;gribble;Chapter 1B-26.003, Florida Administrative Code - Statutes, Rules ...: <http://dlis.dos.state.fl.us/barm/rules/1B26_003FAC.cfm>; ELECTRONIC RECORDS; ELECTRONIC SIGNATURES - Legal ...: <http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/part-11>; electronic signature « Adobe EchoSign - Adobe Blogs: <http://blogs.adobe.com/echosign/tag/electronic-signature/> 567661;1395249793;asciilifeform;if your local princeling believes pgp to be the work of satan 567662;1395249821;asciilifeform;then you're stuck with strictly reputation-based contract 567663;1395249835;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's the princeling to do with it ? 567664;1395249849;asciilifeform;in our applications, nothing at all 567665;1395249851;mircea_popescu;you can trivially print out gpg signed contracts, sign on the paper, and register them 567666;1395249859;mircea_popescu;gpg is backwards-compatible with all legal systems. 567667;1395249874;asciilifeform;sure, but in the 'microscope is backwards-compatible with hammer' sense. 567668;1395249885;mircea_popescu;not necessarily, it'd depend. 567669;1395249895;mircea_popescu;certainly ample space for that, sure. 567670;1395249898;asciilifeform;i vaguely recall that pgp 'counts' in the usa 567671;1395249912;asciilifeform;but, IANAL, and not sure how settled the case law is. 567672;1395250019;mircea_popescu;for what it's worth the opinions i have re likely romanian court reaction would be that should a signature be repudiated you have about 2:3 chances to get the judge to process the pgp part of the text. 567673;1395250061;asciilifeform;'Shall Be Delivered' (TM) has not yet played out in life, huh 567674;1395250075;mircea_popescu;not here anyway. 567675;1395250109;mircea_popescu;actual signature repudiations are rare irl 567676;1395250116;mircea_popescu;most cases are testamentary contestations 567677;1395250127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2784 @ 0.00014332 = 0.399 BTC [-] {4} 567678;1395250128;mircea_popescu;in which case the judge'd definitely see through the pgp. 567679;1395250178;asciilifeform;arguably any case involving stolen btc could, theoretically, bake crypto-signature precedent 567680;1395250218;asciilifeform;('he signed it, so he's a you. now gladiators.') 567681;1395250238;mircea_popescu;very theoretically. 567682;1395250260;mircea_popescu;btc will pose some very srious problems to legal systems based on caselaw, perhaps enough so to make them unworkable in practice 567683;1395250269;mircea_popescu;this, however, is a head of the hydra burried for another two decades. 567684;1395250281;asciilifeform;meatspace courts are supposed to operate on principle of 'least astonishment' (someone cough up the right term plz) ? 567685;1395250306;asciilifeform;i think it was 'stare decisis' 567686;1395250313;asciilifeform;(sp?) 567687;1395250357;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Generally. 567688;1395250367;novusordo;until recently, I'd never visited trilema.com on a windows machine 567689;1395250378;novusordo;yesterday I did, and was quite disappointed 567690;1395250395;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah it's valid 567691;1395250396;novusordo;comic sans blog title. 567692;1395250401;asciilifeform;people don't seem to grasp the fact that the situation in 'shall be delivered' is as inevitable as that first street drunk who electrocuted himself in the 1870s (?) 567693;1395250443;asciilifeform;i recall reading that it caused great public wankage at the time 567694;1395250453;mircea_popescu;novusordo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2013#392453 567695;1395250456;asciilifeform;'oh noez, wires of death' 567696;1395250471;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But it took so much more electricity to electricute the first street drunk verus than the first idiot 567697;1395250496;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ? 567698;1395250516;novusordo;mircea_popescu: yeah, I looked at the CSS because I thought it was a fall-back font 567699;1395250519;novusordo;nope 567700;1395250528;mircea_popescu;nope. if you have comic it'll show you you have comic 567701;1395250531;mircea_popescu;because apparently you like comic 567702;1395250532;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Ethanol is a crude anti-convulsant and is rather neuroprotective against these things. 567703;1395250535;mircea_popescu;who am i to argue. 567704;1395250553;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.053601 = 0.3216 BTC [-] {4} 567705;1395250554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.067 = 0.402 BTC [+] {3} 567706;1395250555;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] {3} 567707;1395250562;BingoBoingo;Then again the street drunk would need to be drunk to enjoy this protection 567708;1395250591;BingoBoingo;electrocuting someone in the throes of Delirium tremens wouldn't be sporting at all 567709;1395250616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 567710;1395250797;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 47 @ 0.08 = 3.76 BTC [-] {2} 567711;1395250919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0682 = 0.7502 BTC [-] {3} 567712;1395250980;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06811222 = 0.2724 BTC [-] {2} 567713;1395250996;mircea_popescu;carsam type in the lower box to talk 567714;1395251161;nubbins`;they should really note that somewhere on the page 567715;1395251204;jcpham;sexy hostmask 567716;1395251219;jcpham;carsam is sexy 567717;1395251224;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00081096 = 12.2049 BTC [-] 567718;1395251229;jcpham;except for webchat 567719;1395251231;jcpham;that's icky 567720;1395251325;nubbins`;http://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2015/ 567721;1395251326;nubbins`;there we go 567722;1395251327;benkay;carsam - lurking or confused? ;) 567723;1395251328;ozbot;BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2015 567724;1395251374;nubbins`;hm, "house bet"? 567725;1395251391;mircea_popescu;kako broke bitbet. 567726;1395251411;nubbins`;bonus for me 567727;1395251413;nubbins`;(maybe) 567728;1395251431;BCB;mircea_popescu: I want to meet you when you come to New York. 567729;1395251449;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Still prefer http://bitbet.us/bet/790/mpex-to-become-sec-recognized-sro-in-2014/?ref=1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4 567730;1395251474;nubbins`;house bet there too 567731;1395251478;mircea_popescu;bcb that may take a while. 567732;1395251482;nubbins`;free moniez 567733;1395251493;BCB;mircea_popescu: why's that? 567734;1395251539;nubbins`;uh, wait now 567735;1395251546;asciilifeform;BCB: would you personally travel to a place where there's a cork-lined cellar waiting for you? 567736;1395251549;nubbins`;that's actually not the bet i submitted 567737;1395251578;nubbins`;i said 2014 567738;1395251580;nubbins`;bet says 2015 567739;1395251600;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Is the cellar a wine cellar? 567740;1395251616;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nope, the other kind. 567741;1395251620;nubbins`;the fuck? 567742;1395251620;BCB;asciilifeform: cork-lined - they are actually cement 567743;1395251669;asciilifeform;'endless war and endless underfeeding for the sake of war, slave populations toiling behind barbed wire, women dragged shrieking to the block, cork-lined cellars where the executioner blows your brains out from behind. So it appears that amputation of the soul isn't just a simple surgical job, like having your appendix out. The wound has a tendency to go septic.' (orwell's 'notes on the way') 567744;1395251679;kakobrekla;nubbins` it seems bet was altered by the mods 567745;1395251692;nubbins`;but i don't want that bet 567746;1395251695;kakobrekla;ha, who broke it now! 567747;1395251713;kakobrekla;but in all seriousness, ring mp 567748;1395251743;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/propositions/ vs http://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2015/ -- year changed from 2014 to 2015, what gives! 567749;1395251780;BCB;mircea_popescu: SEC will fly you on their private jet 567750;1395251794;mircea_popescu;nubbins` uh 567751;1395251814;asciilifeform;'latvia airlines' ? (or was it poland?) 567752;1395251844;mircea_popescu;BCB well cause i don't intend to visit the us till they dissolve the homeland security crap and put the people responsible on trial. 567753;1395251867;BCB;mircea_popescu: I don't think you'll have a choice in the matter. 567754;1395251893;Duffer1;lmao reminds me of some of the reddit comments about the trilema article 567755;1395251896;asciilifeform;the trial is about as likely as mr. putin personally hand-feeding preet bharara to bear 567756;1395251925;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sucks for the us. 567757;1395251925;BCB;asciilifeform: they don't need a trial. Just and indictment 567758;1395251940;asciilifeform;(we don't even know if he leases the bear, or keeps it on retainer, or it lives in his bed) 567759;1395251949;mircea_popescu;BCB well so then how would we meed in this counterfactual future you propose ? 567760;1395251952;nubbins`;do mods often change bet conditions after money has been sent in? 567761;1395251957;nubbins`;or am i just lucky :D 567762;1395251957;mircea_popescu;nubbins` no. 567763;1395251961;mircea_popescu;you're just lucky. 567764;1395251972;BCB;mircea_popescu: I'd be standing in the crowd during your perp walk 567765;1395251984;Duffer1;more americans thoroughly unaware of their complete irrelevance 567766;1395252033;mircea_popescu;that works. 567767;1395252064;chetty;oct 2015 - thats more than 1 year ... 567768;1395252069;BCB;mircea_popescu: I'll have a pink carnation in my lapel 567769;1395252079;mircea_popescu;i;kk be sure to look 567770;1395252108;kakobrekla;i didnt know we support bets that long lel 567771;1395252139;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00598635 = 0.7184 BTC [+] {2} 567772;1395252154;nubbins`;sorry guise D; 567773;1395252163;Duffer1;what have you done? 567774;1395252176;mircea_popescu;RUINED 567775;1395252184;nubbins`;created a time paradox 567776;1395252208;nubbins`;i just asked google what time it is and it says "yesternow" 567777;1395252217;nubbins`;i thought that was just the name of a miles davis song D: 567778;1395252261;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30121 @ 0.00081495 = 24.5471 BTC [+] 567779;1395252304;artifexd;Is it irony that #netsec was hacked? 567780;1395252330;mircea_popescu;it was ? 567781;1395252338;artifexd;Try and join it 567782;1395252406;mircea_popescu;nubbins` fixt. 567783;1395252407;BingoBoingo;I thought that was related to http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/03/19/1218252/full-disclosure-security-list-suspended-indefinitely 567784;1395252416;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: tyvm! 567785;1395252627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32150 @ 0.00081541 = 26.2154 BTC [+] {2} 567786;1395252666;nubbins`;"I heard that Leah McGrath Goodman is writing an article that proves that "Mircea Popescu" is in fact Erik Voorhees." 567787;1395252667;nubbins`;heh. 567788;1395252690;nubbins`;are there any other OOP rags looking to make a comeback? 567789;1395252697;jborkl;mircea does not look good in red 567790;1395252706;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Sauce? 567791;1395252738;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20sg7l/mp_was_approached_by_the_sec_about_bitcoin/cg6knxx 567792;1395252739;ozbot;AbsoluteZero2 comments on MP was approached by the SEC about Bitcoin exchanges; handled it very prof 567793;1395252846;BingoBoingo;Lol 567794;1395252932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7408 @ 0.00081565 = 6.0423 BTC [+] 567795;1395253249;dexX7;someone here from http://satoshibox.com/? add the option to add a file hash/signature or whatever 567796;1395253338;dexX7;wow.. some people can turn everything into fud: "If you have ownership of BTC-denominated securities such as those traded on Havelock or MPEx (such as NEOBEE, S.DICE, S.MPOE, etc.) now would be a good time to talk to a lawyer." 567797;1395253363;kakobrekla;im good, bbet isnt mentioned 567798;1395253398;asciilifeform;i'm already signed up to be gassed at nsa, sec will have to wait in line. 567799;1395253410;mircea_popescu;nubbins` good one 567800;1395253503;dexX7;"Why is Havelock Investments in the SEC's crosshairs? I made an account with them, but never bought anything. Should I be worried?" "Can you get in trouble for just a few mBTC?" ... 567801;1395253539;mircea_popescu;... 567802;1395253545;dexX7;:D 567803;1395253549;dexX7;yup 567804;1395253689;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo fuckwit doesn't name names. 567805;1395253695;mircea_popescu;people need to grow up already. 567806;1395253705;BingoBoingo;Yeah 567807;1395253750;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I dunno if you've answered yet, but what are the plans for MP University? http://trilema.com/2014/fata-morgana-ii-or-dont-you-just-hate-it-when-you-come-up-with-an-idea-and-a-title-and-then-discover-you-need-an-introduction-which-keeps-swelling-so-eventually-youre-stuck-publishing-it-as-a-sta/ 567808;1395253786;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 330 @ 0.00401153 = 1.3238 BTC [-] {5} 567809;1395253787;mircea_popescu;maybe. too much hassle so far, and who'd teach 567810;1395253818;asciilifeform;quite a few of us here could probably teach. 567811;1395253833;asciilifeform;better question - who'd learn. 567812;1395253838;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, if you need a trained Librarian. 567813;1395253877;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform girls only, under 30, childless. 567814;1395253882;asciilifeform;lol 567815;1395253920;BingoBoingo;Ah, isn't that kind of the operation you are running atm? 567816;1395253928;mircea_popescu;allegedly. 567817;1395253949;asciilifeform;grls have this thing that they do, where they pretend to make you teach them maths, but they just pulsate 567818;1395254012;mircea_popescu;hm. 567819;1395254018;mircea_popescu;vagostabyl ? 567820;1395254018;asciilifeform;people teaching everything from number theory to marksmanship complain about this. 567821;1395254022;asciilifeform;lol 567822;1395254251;BingoBoingo;I've always wondered why more marksmanship classes aren't taught with a mirrored target 567823;1395254262;asciilifeform;people have said to me that my teaching anything would qualify as cruel and unusual punishment 567824;1395254269;mircea_popescu;This is actually a highly revealing exchange. 567825;1395254269;mircea_popescu;A revealing exchange about an exchange that isn't revealing? 567826;1395254273;asciilifeform;so perhaps i'll teach the penal battalion. 567827;1395254274;mircea_popescu;ahgagaga reddit delivers 567828;1395254281;mircea_popescu;well done dexX7 567829;1395254303;dexX7;hehe yw 567830;1395254321;mircea_popescu;"At least MP is an asshole equally to everyone, there is some amount of credibility in that." 567831;1395254328;mircea_popescu;i been sayin'... 567832;1395254447;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: cheap led vga projectors are common now, i imagine very soon you'll be able to project your face on the target at your local target lane. 567833;1395254471;mircea_popescu;i thought it was all about penile projection 567834;1395254529;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'm kind of wondering why it isn't standard already. One's own face ought to offer better anatomical context at the range than those circles 567835;1395254568;asciilifeform;afaik nothing stops you from printing a self portrait and using that today. 567836;1395254914;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Getting the scale right, etc 567837;1395254914;mircea_popescu;"Based on the toxic and self righteous writing style, i'm pretty sure it's him. He would never admit it though, as the account has always made fun of anyone calling it a man." 567838;1395254922;mircea_popescu;hei guise, what the fuck does that toxic mean ? 567839;1395254938;BingoBoingo;"They were asking for voluntary cooperation. All he had to say was "no thank you." You can bet if they had any legal or authoritative standing they wouldn't be asking they'd be taking/demanding." 567840;1395255022;praeconium;Good evening, where do You get historical prices of various coins? 567841;1395255050;mircea_popescu;praeconium bitcoincharts.com maybe ? 567842;1395255053;mircea_popescu;at least for bitcoin. 567843;1395255064;dexX7;praeconium: maybe this http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/main/table 567844;1395255067;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53756 @ 0.00081523 = 43.8235 BTC [-] {3} 567845;1395255074;mircea_popescu;"Subject: These users are now making more money in 1 hour than in their 9-5 dead-end job" "What could you do with $106 an hour?" << my spambox rules. 567846;1395255100;benkay;BingoBoingo: class is always in session in -assets. 567847;1395255128;praeconium;mircea_popescu: thanks. 567848;1395255128;praeconium;Do You trade other coins? I know I am not in right channel.. 567849;1395255145;mircea_popescu;i bought a little atc 567850;1395255161;mircea_popescu;but not really no. 567851;1395255189;praeconium;Is there a channel where people trading on quantitative models talk? 567852;1395255194;BingoBoingo;benkay: Sure, but for some a physical campus with ammenities like horsehair robes and doors locked from the outside can provide motivation 567853;1395255259;mircea_popescu;praeconium maybe #mtgox ? 567854;1395255274;jborkl;it is closed 567855;1395255284;mircea_popescu;i guess that didn't work out then 567856;1395255330;benkay;praeconium: try ##econometrics 567857;1395255337;dexX7;praeconium: ##econometrics seems to be the most "professional" one re: investments and bitcoin, about bitcoin trading talk there is #bitcoin-pricetalk + #bitcoinmarkets 567858;1395255339;benkay;bit trolly from time to time, but hey it's irc 567859;1395255352;dexX7;it's ##mtgox-chat 567860;1395255396;jborkl;that is closed and now is mtgox-talk 567861;1395255419;jcpham;people still talking about mtgox? 567862;1395255425;jcpham;is that a thing still 567863;1395255426;jborkl;no 567864;1395255427;mircea_popescu;why not just mtgox-cheat and be done with it 567865;1395255473;jborkl;mtgox-troll would be the best 567866;1395255477;praeconium;Thanks guys, I already got goxed so that was enough for now :) 567867;1395255495;mircea_popescu;praeconium kinda my point. 567868;1395255502;mircea_popescu;you're too early to trade on quantitative models. 567869;1395255507;praeconium;I am mainly interested to see how they go about acquiring hist and realtime data since there is so much variety. 567870;1395255541;praeconium;I am not really a quant, I know some basics and have knowledge of finance.. not so complex, tbh 567871;1395255551;jborkl;rtbtc was good, but the serviced gox and bitstamp 567872;1395255555;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.06694 = 1.0041 BTC [+] {2} 567873;1395255563;mircea_popescu;praeconium there was a guy by the name of herbi, doingsimilar things 567874;1395255572;mircea_popescu;but it's early yet, basically 567875;1395255574;praeconium;I used rtbtc, but they used mtgox API 567876;1395255600;jborkl;yeah, not any use right now 567877;1395255613;mike_c;historical data: http://api.bitcoincharts.com/v1/csv/ 567878;1395255643;praeconium;mircea_popescu: but don't You think that many new ones will trade with similar patterns to old ones upon introduction or change of diffculty etc? 567879;1395255654;jborkl;btc-e has metatrader - I have not used it though 567880;1395255655;dexX7;there is a company that offers a quantitative model about btc (if that's the correct wording).. let me see, if i can find it 567881;1395255658;BingoBoingo;praeconium: Your best bet may be making #bitcoinquant then lurking here and directing interested people to your channels 567882;1395255664;praeconium;mike_c: thanks. 567883;1395255666;mircea_popescu;roughly speaking, the risk of the exchange goxing you is high enough that your quant profits are irrelevant 567884;1395255670;mircea_popescu;even should you get a model right. 567885;1395255685;mircea_popescu;which you won't likely, because it's a lot harder to predict turbulent flow than any one other thing 567886;1395255691;praeconium;Quant != high frequency 567887;1395255697;mircea_popescu;i am aware. 567888;1395255700;dexX7;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167431.0 + https://www.quantsig.net/#?&view=about 567889;1395255702;ozbot;Bitcoin Quant Modeling 567890;1395255715;nubbins`;you just need to build vestigial fly wingstubs into your model to account for turbulence 567891;1395255717;mircea_popescu;that said, more effort poured into that can't hurt anything 567892;1395255732;mircea_popescu;nubbins` note that they have sequenced the human genome, but haven't figured out the winglets. 567893;1395255734;praeconium;Random Walk is there, I don't look into getting model right :) I just want to implement my ideas. 567894;1395255738;mircea_popescu;"we could if we wanted to", obviously. 567895;1395255753;praeconium;Thanks dexX7 567896;1395255772;praeconium;Bingo, I am really a bit more into talking with existing crowd.. :) but nice idea. 567897;1395255784;praeconium;mircea_popescu: what do You think of indexing alts? 567898;1395255795;mircea_popescu;not ure what you mean by that ? 567899;1395255799;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8936 @ 0.000816 = 7.2918 BTC [+] 567900;1395255801;praeconium;On hybrid cap+difficulty models 567901;1395255817;mircea_popescu;afaik no serious work has been done on that so far at all. 567902;1395255822;mircea_popescu;i'd read it. 567903;1395255825;praeconium;Like FTSE100 567904;1395255843;praeconium;But mixing difficulty with capitalization 567905;1395255848;asciilifeform;'Aerodynamicist Theodore von Krmn died and went to heaven. In his registration packet was a bright orange ticket. Said Saint Peter, "You may get in line to ask God Himself one question." von Krmn ran to join the far end of the orange ticket queue. It was a long line, a *very* long line. Eons passed by and, sure enough, eventually in the distance he espied a giant glowing throne. More eons passed by 567906;1395255848;asciilifeform;and, finally, his moment arrived! von Krmn surrendered his orange ticket, took a deep breath, and said, "God, explain turbulence." Theodore von Krmn spent the rest of eternity burning in Hell.' 567907;1395255884;mircea_popescu;lol 567908;1395256146;mircea_popescu;http://www.vnews.com/csp/mediapool/sites/dt.common.streams.StreamServer.cls?STREAMOID=zqcnNXKR3mS1VoTbVLehlc$daE2N3K4ZzOUsqbU5sYv3CBjenOcpR_3UNwFQij16WCsjLu883Ygn4B49Lvm9bPe2QeMKQdVeZmXF$9l$4uCZ8QDXhaHEp3rvzXRJFdy0KqPHLoMevcTLo3h8xh70Y6N_U_CryOsw6FTOdKL_jpQ-&CONTENTTYPE=image/jpeg 567909;1395256162;asciilifeform;mr. k ? 567910;1395256165;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 797 @ 0.00393491 = 3.1361 BTC [-] {10} 567911;1395256166;mircea_popescu;yeah 567912;1395256470;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69900 @ 0.00081206 = 56.763 BTC [-] {2} 567913;1395256775;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 130 @ 0.00388566 = 0.5051 BTC [-] {6} 567914;1395256820;BingoBoingo;Win https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg5788737#msg5788737 567915;1395256836;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00385003 = 0.462 BTC [-] {5} 567916;1395256882;Shakespeare;soundtrack to that mark pic is Under Pressur 567917;1395256883;Shakespeare;e 567918;1395256917;Shakespeare;the whip covering his butcrack makes it look odd 567919;1395256922;mircea_popescu;lol 567920;1395256958;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10619 @ 0.00080651 = 8.5643 BTC [-] 567921;1395257018;Shakespeare;http://bitcoinmagazine.com/11300/bitcoin-namecoin-appear-draft-icann-report-u-s-plans-relinquish-remaining-control-internet/ 567922;1395257076;Shakespeare;"The participants could then each do a standard algorithm to generate consistent state. This might seem like a fantasy, but Byzantine algorithms like Bitcoin [Andreesen 2014] and Namecoin show that such systems are possible today." 567923;1395257134;Shakespeare;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20tnqp/fake_blockchaininfo_twitter_account_has_27x_more/ 567924;1395257149;Shakespeare;https://twitter.com/biockchain 567925;1395257149;ozbot;Blockchain.info (bIockchain) on Twitter 567926;1395257201;mircea_popescu;what bullshit is this quoting "andreesen" 567927;1395257202;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00013754 = 0.2063 BTC [-] {6} 567928;1395257214;mircea_popescu;the name is satoshi. who is this andressen 567929;1395257257;dexX7;i'm still wondering, if jimmothy is on mpex' payroll 567930;1395257269;mircea_popescu;maybe he's really mp ? 567931;1395257272;dexX7;maybe he is. 567932;1395257282;Shakespeare;is mp really mp? 567933;1395257286;dexX7;i sent him a bait some weeks ago, but he didn't take it 567934;1395257290;BingoBoingo;Maybe jimmothy is Thermos, or nefario? 567935;1395257305;mircea_popescu;Shakespeare on his better days. 567936;1395257322;mircea_popescu;or maybe he's just a random dork with no better entertainment options. 567937;1395257344;mircea_popescu;(last line in response to BingoBoingos comment, ftr) 567938;1395257412;BingoBoingo;Well, it is always important to point out this is the record 567939;1395257493;benkay;BingoBoingo is actually tiberiusxiv 567940;1395257507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2208 @ 0.00080691 = 1.7817 BTC [+] 567941;1395257529;mircea_popescu;i thought tiberius was a girl. 567942;1395257531;BingoBoingo;benkay: What was his deal anyways. That's like the fifth person I've been accused of being this week. 567943;1395257568;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.60009616 = 9.6015 BTC [-] {8} 567944;1395257571;benkay;tiberius a girl? 567945;1395257571;benkay;hm 567946;1395257571;benkay;you'd probably know better than i. 567947;1395257584;benkay;BingoBoingo: just the best troll this channel has ever seen. 567948;1395257616;joecool;that would be luke imo 567949;1395257630;benkay;Luke-Jr? 567950;1395257635;joecool;yes 567951;1395257644;benkay;he's no troll - 100% authentic! 567952;1395257687;joecool;benkay: http://i.imgur.com/RFL8VHw.jpg 567953;1395257690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00080698 = 35.5071 BTC [+] {2} 567954;1395257751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00384636 = 0.1154 BTC [-] {3} 567955;1395257798;mircea_popescu;let's move on : 567956;1395257799;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3f7wg4g7s1qbn0f7o1_1280.jpg 567957;1395257855;Shakespeare;where's her risk-free sign? 567958;1395257905;mircea_popescu;at.... home ? 567959;1395258239;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3392 @ 0.00080707 = 2.7376 BTC [+] 567960;1395258312;dexX7;i give luke much credit. he may be a troll (it's only what i heard several times), but his pool is remarkable for the different transaction policies and the only one to push non-standard stuff.. 567961;1395258483;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00380279 = 0.9507 BTC [-] {3} 567962;1395258607;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 758 @ 0.00379303 = 2.8751 BTC [-] {4} 567963;1395259459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00375999 = 0.376 BTC [-] 567964;1395259521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8258 @ 0.00081289 = 6.7128 BTC [+] 567965;1395259531;kakobrekla;dexX7 he did all sorts of scammy shit 567966;1395259557;moiety;mew all 567967;1395259570;kakobrekla;hi 567968;1395259649;dexX7;hi 567969;1395259667;mircea_popescu;hi kitten 567970;1395259674;moiety;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-03-2014#564811 feck... you're not counting weird links and imgurs in this are you?! 567971;1395259761;mircea_popescu;lol 567972;1395259777;mircea_popescu;http://nypost.com/2005/08/23/naked-truth-post-exposes-overstock-ally/ 567973;1395259778;ozbot;NAKED TRUTH – POST EXPOSES OVERSTOCK ALLY | New York Post 567974;1395259799;mircea_popescu;overstock is being fucked, who knew. 567975;1395259872;ninjashogun;very interesting article - http://jangosteve.com/post/380926251/no-one-knows-what-theyre-doing 567976;1395259879;ninjashogun;(you might have seen it on hackernews) 567977;1395259927;benderp;nonsense ninjashogun. a vanishingly thin slice of everyone is competent, and everyone else is constantly justifying their incompetence to themselves and each other. 567978;1395259931;moiety;"... has since opened TRG..." excellent! :/ 567979;1395259959;ninjashogun;hi, benderp 567980;1395259973;benderp;mircea_popescu: more credence accrues every day to the notion that consumer organizations accepting bitcoin only do so as they begin to circle the drain. 567981;1395259998;moiety;lolol well put benderp - exemplified in here often :P 567982;1395260010;mircea_popescu;benderp 2005 article mind. 567983;1395260033;ninjashogun;benderp - suppose you removed everyone from the world who is not "competent". You would be left with nobody making your clothes, producing your food, building your highways, collecting your taxes, installing your Internet connection, or keeping any of the factories, buildings, schools, infrastructure, going. 567984;1395260045;ninjashogun;Most American teachers are "incompetent". Yet America has a near 100.00% literacy rate. 567985;1395260057;ninjashogun;Do not discount incompetent people. 567986;1395260060;moiety;thats ridiculous 567987;1395260065;moiety;absolutely ridiculous 567988;1395260076;benderp;fungible labor is fungible. 567989;1395260085;mircea_popescu;Dollar Shave Club @DollarShaveClub 1h 567990;1395260085;mircea_popescu;Let's wipe out Colon Cancer. Mike, our CEO, is getting a colonoscopy & streaming it live. WATCH RIGHT NOW. #DSColon http://dlrshv.es/1blabla 567991;1395260090;ninjashogun;No, it's not ridiculous. By any definition of "competent" for which benderp's statement holds true (" a vanishingly thin slice of everyone is competent, and everyone else is constantly justifying their incompetence to themselves and each other.") it is absolutely true. 567992;1395260092;mircea_popescu;i would say this is the definitive example. 567993;1395260104;moiety;people can be competent at producing food, building things... all the things you said ninjashogun 567994;1395260116;mircea_popescu;dorks have their own shortener to paste their links about how a spurious ceo is ending cancer by shoving things up his butt live on cam. 567995;1395260121;mircea_popescu;it just doesn't go any further. 567996;1395260122;ninjashogun;no they can't. You just said only a vanishingly thin percentage of "everyone" is competent. 567997;1395260133;dexX7;workers = incompetent sounds like a rude prejudice 567998;1395260143;benderp;workers = fungible 567999;1395260147;moiety;prexactly dexX7 568000;1395260152;ninjashogun;1 min 568001;1395260164;benderp;ninjashogun: all the reading in the world, and look at the shitshow that's resulted. 568002;1395260168;benderp;i blame the incompetent teachers. 568003;1395260186;moiety;eww mircea_popescu no one wants to see that much of their or anyone else's boss 568004;1395260253;moiety;ninjashogun: imo, you get people competent and incompetent in every field. competence is not something that comes with status. There are plenty of incompetent management in the world 568005;1395260301;ninjashogun;I was just responding to benderp's statement 568006;1395260314;moiety;and im responding to yours 568007;1395260327;Perlboy;mircea_popescu, nice article http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/ just a slight comment "(unfortunately the Australian equivalent of the US SEC has been uniquely unhelpful in this matter so far).". Patrick Harnett appears to have a +64 number which would make him NZ :) 568008;1395260333;moiety;that;s going to happen when you hit enter in here 568009;1395260354;ninjashogun;moiety - fair enough. I should have been clear that I was being satirical, and not using my own definition of competent. I think basically 100% of people are competent at what they do. 568010;1395260371;mircea_popescu;Perlboy it's a complicated matter. nz people weren't nearly as obnoxious, but anyway. 568011;1395260380;moiety;please tell me that was also sarcasm ninjashogun 568012;1395260380;ninjashogun;I thnk a bunch of companies "suck" and are "idiots". I hate paypal and wish it would die. But I don't actually SAY that, or actually SAY they're incompetent. 568013;1395260413;Perlboy;mircea_popescu, yeah kiwi's are a bit more open 568014;1395260418;Perlboy;you were talking to asic? 568015;1395260420;ninjashogun;I'm not Icahn, there to criticize a $74B company (eBay) when he couldn't run a company any better. 568016;1395260433;mircea_popescu;anyway, not going to comment on that particular wrinkle further. 568017;1395260436;benderp;no, you're a budding Jobs, right ninjashogun? 568018;1395260464;ninjashogun;benderp - maybe a few years ago I would have said that ;-) 568019;1395260491;Perlboy;mircea_popescu, ok, nice article though i'm glad there's someone like you able to push back 568020;1395260502;moiety;;; lasers 568021;1395260502;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 568022;1395260506;Perlboy;if i did such things in australia i'd start waiting for the black helicopters 568023;1395260513;ninjashogun;moiety - are there that many incompetent managers in the world though? Don't nearly all of them produce hte basic results they're there to do on some level? 568024;1395260533;Perlboy;ninjashogun, 99% of managers are a case of shit floating. 568025;1395260550;moiety;ninjashogun: yes. go work in a hospital or government agency. competence in your definition = arselicking and shagging someone higher up 568026;1395260551;davout;benderp: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/52452135/A%20Lasting%20Inspiration%20(Disc%202).zip 568027;1395260553;mircea_popescu;people generally overrepresent the importance and power of corrupt government. 568028;1395260565;benderp;ah davout thou art a scholar 568029;1395260566;ninjashogun;Perlboy - you say that, but the 'shit' skils that let them 'float' are vitally important to the companies they're at. They do more for the mission than most lines of code that are written at most organizations. 568030;1395260586;davout;benderp: yo, brb, zipping some leonard cohen for mircea_popescu 568031;1395260595;ninjashogun;moiety - I've worked at government agencies. My God! The inefficiency. It was horrendous. 568032;1395260599;mike_c;ninjashogun you should expound on this topic at length on bitcointalk. 568033;1395260612;moiety;ninjashogun: yup 100% competent huh 568034;1395260620;ninjashogun;mike_c: I hope you're kidding? 568035;1395260627;mircea_popescu;davout are you trying to get me in trouble with the law ? 568036;1395260636;davout;haha 568037;1395260645;Perlboy;ninjashogun, no they are typically promoted either a) Because they stroked egos and didn't create any issues [or covered them up to people who would be concerned] or b) Were found to be incompetent but were stuck in the organisation so were promoted to a position where they couldn't fuck things up 568038;1395260652;moiety;i totally agree with mike_c i think it would be a really interesting good thread ninjashogun go for it 568039;1395260662;moiety;and please link us 568040;1395260664;ninjashogun;Very funny moiety. :) 568041;1395260677;mircea_popescu;can't tell if kitteh is trolling or youthful. 568042;1395260693;ninjashogun;Look, I know that on some level what you say make sense. For example, on some level Windows is completely broken in every single conceivable way and has had the opposite of architects working on it for the past thirty years. 568043;1395260695;moiety;;P 568044;1395260714;benderp;and yet ninjashogun those are the 'architects' out there in the wild, delivering value by your standards. 568045;1395260717;ninjashogun;But on the other hand, millions of people use Windows for hours every day, and have used it to run most aspects of the economy. 568046;1395260723;ninjashogun;Exactly! 568047;1395260727;ninjashogun;Yes, exactly my point benderp. 568048;1395260736;benderp;what was it asciilifeform was going on about? 568049;1395260741;moiety;jesus you are seriously gonna use windows as an example here? 568050;1395260743;benderp;der fuhrershitcake? 568051;1395260748;asciilifeform;? 568052;1395260749;ninjashogun;That WITHOUT sarcasm, in fact those architects (the totally incompetent windows ones) have built immense value over hte past thirty years. 568053;1395260761;benderp;it tastes great! 568054;1395260770;ninjashogun;moiety I think windows is a fair example because everyone here knows hte obvious ways in which it sucks :) 568055;1395260778;Perlboy;ninjashogun, true, but then it's been rewritten what, 4 times now (3.11, 95, XP, 8)? 568056;1395260780;moiety;asciilifeform! i used gribbles lasers! they were required 568057;1395260782;ninjashogun;moiety - windows doesn't really have any architectural defenders. 568058;1395260789;Perlboy;so it's the age old opportunity cost thing 568059;1395260791;davout;ninjashogun: you may be confusing value with technical debt 568060;1395260797;Perlboy;hack it together and we'll have to rewrite every X years 568061;1395260803;Perlboy;or do it right and evolve 568062;1395260805;asciilifeform;windows doesn't really have any architectural defenders << you'd be surprised. 568063;1395260812;moiety;i think its time to break out the alcohol or sanity pills or something 568064;1395260815;Perlboy;unfortunately microsoft isn't motivated to do something forever 568065;1395260820;asciilifeform;they include people who don't even work for ms 568066;1395260828;Perlboy;otherwise their upgrade would be less expensive (ie. apple mac osx :)) 568067;1395260836;ninjashogun;davout - I don't think it's technical debt if it never needs to be fixed. Windows was never refactored onto a rock-hard Unix base with proven open technology stacks. Nor will it ever be. You can't call it debt if you're never going to do it. 568068;1395260847;asciilifeform;like ceo of 'green hills software' (favoured son contractor who sells a proprietary embedded os for military hardware) 568069;1395260868;asciilifeform;and the Official Party Line of usg is... wait for it... 568070;1395260876;ninjashogun;Another example is ATM's that run Windows. On some level that is such an obvious display of incompetence that it should make most people here shiver. 568071;1395260883;davout;ninjashogun: just because you're never going to repay it doesn't change the nature of a debt, it's still a debt 568072;1395260884;asciilifeform;that winblows is 'certified secure' because it has fine-grained access permissions. 568073;1395260896;ninjashogun;Most people, that is, except for the millions of people using them to withdraw money. 568074;1395260917;Perlboy;umm, so, there's nothing wrong with windows being used for all banking applications 568075;1395260933;ninjashogun;davout - that's silly :) The term "technical debt" is an analogy, i.e. you get features now but at a commitment of future time. If that future time is not a real commitment, then there is no actual debt involved. 568076;1395260955;Perlboy;just make sure you price in a few hundred firewalls 568077;1395260958;moiety;ninjashogun, dear, when you begin by talking about incompetence of managers and people that make food... you cannot really switch to a whole company that is comprised of millions of them. #consistency 568078;1395260958;ninjashogun;davout - just like, if you make a bracelet out of pyrite, you do not have the "debt" of whatever it would take to re-make in Gold. You just have a pyrite bracelet. 568079;1395260966;Perlboy;which fwiw you'd have to have anyway regardless of os 568080;1395260974;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hahaha what 568081;1395260979;davout;ninjashogun: sounds like a point 568082;1395260990;ninjashogun;davout - on the other hand if your prototype is pyrite and you're prototyping a gold bracelet (the way many startups prototype an MVP then intend to build scallability) then it can be considered a "debt". 568083;1395260996;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seriously, winblows is mandatory, and that's the 'reasoning' 568084;1395261002;asciilifeform;used by usg 568085;1395261002;davout;ninjashogun: except if you're considering the expense of time required to switch useful applications to better OSes 568086;1395261059;Perlboy;Yeah, i know at least one bank that has moved to 100% Windows. 568087;1395261063;ninjashogun;davout - that is true. I think Microsoft isn't selling that migration path though :) 568088;1395261072;ninjashogun;Perlboy - what do you mean "100%"? 568089;1395261075;Perlboy;and they just replaced their core banking with windows+mssql end to end 568090;1395261082;Perlboy;ninjashogun, every system, windows. 568091;1395261086;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform very lol. 568092;1395261088;ninjashogun;Perlboy, their servers? 568093;1395261092;ninjashogun;Perlboy, their web page? 568094;1395261093;Perlboy;ninjashogun, all of it. 568095;1395261096;davout;ninjashogun: it can be debt in the sense that they have to keep backwards compatibility up to some level 568096;1395261098;ninjashogun;Perlboy, their safes? 568097;1395261105;moiety;ninjashogun: 100% 568098;1395261112;moiety;even i get what he means 568099;1395261115;Perlboy;ninjashogun, all of it. :) 568100;1395261132;davout;ninjashogun: for the rest there's mastercard 568101;1395261138;moiety;lololol 568102;1395261139;ninjashogun;davout - that is a fairer example. Their backwards compatibility is a 'debt' because they are actually taking it on as a commitment. It's clearly a slightly lower debt than they would have if they had a goal of creating a real operating system like Unix and BSD's 568103;1395261143;Perlboy;microsoft basically dropped their pants license wise. 568104;1395261167;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.066 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2} 568105;1395261183;davout;ninjashogun: "improving their OS" and "creating a new solid OS" sounds like a difference in degree, not in kind 568106;1395261214;ninjashogun;davout - I don't necessarily call backwards compatibility "improving their OS". In fact, in many cases compatibility and objective improvement are at odds. 568107;1395261249;davout;ninjashogun: precisely because of tech debt 568108;1395261264;ninjashogun;davout - yes. 568109;1395261289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50700 @ 0.00080757 = 40.9438 BTC [-] {3} 568110;1395261298;ninjashogun;davout - but you can't just call it debt if they're not going to do it. For example, the fact that Python 3 isn't source code compatible with Python 2 isn't technical debt that they're postponing. It's a design decision. 568111;1395261326;moiety;youre definately the loudest ninja i have ever met! 568112;1395261331;davout;ninjashogun: no, it's defaulting on debt, which can make sense :D 568113;1395261357;ninjashogun;moiety - hey man I just posted a link :-D 568114;1395261369;moiety;the forum?? 568115;1395261377;ninjashogun;No, to an article. I didn't comment on it. 568116;1395261383;ninjashogun;I linked to - http://jangosteve.com/post/380926251/no-one-knows-what-theyre-doing 568117;1395261416;moiety;ok? i did see you linked that 568118;1395261464;mircea_popescu;(Side point- Art Deco's fascination with streamlining household objects whose actual wind resistance is irrelevant proved popular because levelling incomes led for the first time to a group of people who could afford good design but not household servants. It seems that a streamlined Art Deco lamp is easier to dust than a frilly Victorian one...) 568119;1395261486;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, that is very interesting. 568120;1395261565;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, you can also see a lot of that in Apple computers. For example, they are supposed to be very "easy to use" (yet are expensive). But this hides the fact that a lot of people use it to run accounting software that's also dumbed down to their level, and a load of similar extra-expensive things that let them manage their lifestyle. It's becaues they make enough money to buy Macs and to buy expensive dumbed-do 568121;1395261565;ninjashogun;wn software - but not enough to hire full accountants and managers to do the same work! 568122;1395261600;benderp;uh 568123;1395261610;ninjashogun;if you look at mac software ,a lot of it is aimed at letting people do things that ordinarily you would hire a professional for, and not at a professsional level. 568124;1395261617;benderp;everyone i know who can afford a macintosh pays an accountant if they're not on salary, ninjashogun. 568125;1395261634;benderp;what are these professional things the macintosh consumer software enables? 568126;1395261636;ninjashogun;benderp - it may have been a bad example. I mean if you survey the software that's specifically targeted at Mac users. 568127;1395261643;ThickAsThieves;<mircea_popescu> (Side point- Art Deco's fascination with streamlining household objects whose actual wind resistance is irrelevant proved popular because levelling incomes led for the first time to a group of people who could afford good design but not household servants. It seems that a streamlined Art Deco lamp is easier to dust than a frilly Victorian one...) /// Nonsense. 568128;1395261650;moiety;ninjashogun: ok ok i clicked and i give up on any article that begins: "have you ever felt like......" 568129;1395261655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32647 @ 0.00081309 = 26.5449 BTC [+] {2} 568130;1395261656;benderp;can you provide an acceptable example? 568131;1395261662;ThickAsThieves;it happened because visual design became a blue collar job 568132;1395261662;ninjashogun;Yes, let me look. 568133;1395261663;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves do tell ? 568134;1395261678;mircea_popescu;in the 20s ?! 568135;1395261683;ThickAsThieves;no one was thinking about dusting 568136;1395261687;deadweasel;moiety: i think that's a good rule 568137;1395261694;ThickAsThieves;oh i thought that was you talking 568138;1395261701;asciilifeform;afaik the only software today 'specifically targeted at mac users' is the nickel-and-dime chumpatron where these folks pay $20/each for a hundred little gui utilities that'd be a 1-line bash script on an ordinary computer 568139;1395261706;ThickAsThieves;it's quote from the 20s? 568140;1395261709;mircea_popescu;yes, it was me talking about the 20s. 568141;1395261714;ThickAsThieves;or just referring to 20s style 568142;1395261718;mircea_popescu;well yes. 568143;1395261727;ninjashogun;http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401329,00.asp has a list (sorry about hte overlay) 568144;1395261730;ThickAsThieves;simplicity is in vogue now too 568145;1395261733;ninjashogun;the top one is a good example. Dreamweaver. 568146;1395261735;ninjashogun;Who uses dreamweaver? 568147;1395261737;ninjashogun;And why? 568148;1395261738;mircea_popescu;true true, not very well introduced. 568149;1395261749;mircea_popescu;http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheRoaringTwenties < sauce. 568150;1395261750;benderp;<asciilifeform> afaik the only software today 'specifically targeted at mac 568151;1395261750;benderp;users' is the nickel-and-dime chumpatron where these folks pay 568152;1395261750;benderp;$20/each for a hundred little gui utilities that'd be a 1-line 568153;1395261750;benderp;bash script on an ordinary computer 568154;1395261750;ozbot;Main/The Roaring Twenties - Television Tropes & Idioms 568155;1395261761;mircea_popescu;benderp omfg you derp you 568156;1395261766;ThickAsThieves;if anything, it's certainly cheaper to make simple stuff 568157;1395261766;benderp;yeah derpin hard 568158;1395261769;ThickAsThieves;rather than frilly 568159;1395261776;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, that is EXACTLY my point. Exactly that. 568160;1395261787;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, that they pay EXTRA but becuase they're not actually having someone competent do it. 568161;1395261796;ThickAsThieves;mostly the expense comes into play when they choose expensive smooth surfaces 568162;1395261798;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, they pay extra for a GUI, instead of enough for someone to do it properly. 568163;1395261806;ThickAsThieves;but hey if they scratch, that makes them consumable! 568164;1395261859;asciilifeform;and then there are the poor schmucks who just want a portable posix box that mostly works. 568165;1395261874;*;asciilifeform measures dust thickness on apple laptop 568166;1395261881;moiety;so mircea_popescu, ThickAsTheives, can we conclude modern day styling is getting more minimalistic and less decorative because people are lazy/no servants/no time? 568167;1395261902;mircea_popescu;moiety i would say in present day considerations shoving the items is more of a concern 568168;1395261907;ThickAsThieves;i wont say it has much to do with servants 568169;1395261910;mircea_popescu;as the dollar shave "ceo" clearly illustrates 568170;1395261924;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, I missed your dollar shave example, what was it? 568171;1395261932;ThickAsThieves;i'd add to the list too 568172;1395261941;*;moiety nods 568173;1395261947;ThickAsThieves;for example, where do you find people to make intricate wood carvings? 568174;1395261952;mircea_popescu;even the cars look increasingly more like they came out of a vulva. 568175;1395261972;ninjashogun;:) 568176;1395261977;ThickAsThieves;mass production is a huge influence 568177;1395261985;ninjashogun;There is actually one take-away from the above insights that mircea_popescu 's quote led to here. 568178;1395261986;moiety;even more of a side note -- i think it's a real shame loosing the individuality and decorativeness of design :( cars is a good example! 568179;1395261987;deadweasel;my Vulva is diesel 240 568180;1395261989;mircea_popescu;but they had mass production for a century 568181;1395262005;mircea_popescu;moiety yeah now everyone makes porsches, from bmw to mercedes. 568182;1395262012;ninjashogun;It seems for the bitcoin device that you guys were building (asciilifeform) the real money is in making it SO dumb that the user doesn't have to understand how bitcoin, signing, or a wallet works. 568183;1395262024;ThickAsThieves;right but havent things become more about cutting costs as time passes? 568184;1395262036;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: who said i was involved in making a bitcoin-related anything? 568185;1395262041;ThickAsThieves;they are literally cutting the edges 568186;1395262041;ninjashogun;so if you could make it so dumb that the user just thinks of it "as a wallet" with "bitcoins in it" and takes it out to spend from it. 568187;1395262044;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves actually it became feasible to extrude complex conical surfaces. 568188;1395262053;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I thought that the signing thing was a natural step away from an offline wallet? 568189;1395262055;moiety;mircea_popescu: and they are so ugly. what ever happened to aston and jaguar 568190;1395262056;mircea_popescu;better cnc etc 568191;1395262066;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: i think you have the wrong address. that'd be 'trezor' et al. 568192;1395262068;ThickAsThieves;3d printing may bring a psuedo-rennaisance 568193;1395262068;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, wouldn't your embedded device be used at some point as an offline wallet that you can connect? 568194;1395262082;ThickAsThieves;but i doubt it 568195;1395262089;moiety;ThickAsThieves: i think you might be right but i feel only at a trinket level? 568196;1395262097;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, okay. I was talking about that USB thing that escrows your private key. I know you only said it was about private keys - but most users don't know what that is. 568197;1395262099;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: i might theoretically, at some point, make something that fits this description, but the current product has nothing to do with bitcoin or wallets 568198;1395262099;ThickAsThieves;well theyll get bigger 568199;1395262109;ThickAsThieves;look at the german car thing in the news today 568200;1395262110;ThickAsThieves;sec 568201;1395262118;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, okay. 568202;1395262123;ThickAsThieves;http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/edag-3-d-printed-car/ 568203;1395262124;ozbot;The Germans Have Figured Out How to 3-D Print Cars | Autopia | Wired.com 568204;1395262130;moiety;thanks ThickAsThieves 568205;1395262136;ThickAsThieves;i dunno how the fuck they can that a car 568206;1395262141;ThickAsThieves;but at least it's a hull 568207;1395262146;daybyter;Carrera cars? ^^ 568208;1395262147;ThickAsThieves;call* 568209;1395262151;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I was just thinking how mircea's current insights would imply that that is what you could actually sell to dumb users for a huge markup (e.g. $199), since they know what a leather wallet is and know that bitcoins are money. and that's it. 568210;1395262158;moiety;jesus christ, where do you even sit 568211;1395262171;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: this is catastrophically misguided. 568212;1395262172;ThickAsThieves;in the vulva 568213;1395262177;moiety;LOL 568214;1395262180;ThickAsThieves;:) 568215;1395262205;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, ok. I'm not saying you'd need to pursue it. Just like I'm not saying you should build a shiny gui on a Unix utility and sell it to mac users for $49. 568216;1395262220;ThickAsThieves;old school art deco did offer many intricate work too yknow 568217;1395262230;benderp;ninjashogun: if you can't be bothered to respond to private conversations that you start, I don't see why I should arse myself to respond to your PMs. 568218;1395262261;moiety;lol "inspired by a turtles skeleton" -- i have *always* thought of beautiful cars when viewing turtles 568219;1395262274;thestringpuller;asciilifeform do you believe there is a hardware hole in most mobile devices? 568220;1395262278;ThickAsThieves;i always thought car design moved much too slowly 568221;1395262279;thestringpuller;like for rng? 568222;1395262303;moiety;bahaha and *theres* the connection! 568223;1395262306;ThickAsThieves;i dont understand why more concept cars arent produced 568224;1395262311;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: see mp's piece on why it is unwise to become embroiled in the making of products for idiots. 568225;1395262336;moiety;remember the alfa concept they just produced one of for the boss 568226;1395262343;ThickAsThieves;serving idiots will age you 568227;1395262358;benderp;mo users, mo problems. 568228;1395262385;asciilifeform;fundamentally different problems. ones which only the folks with the cattle prods are properly equipped to handle. 568229;1395262403;ThickAsThieves;idiots also suck all the joy out of a task 568230;1395262427;benderp;asciilifeform: link the goats again! 568231;1395262441;asciilifeform;benderp: ? 568232;1395262488;asciilifeform;goats? 568233;1395262489;asciilifeform;http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Futurama_740ef3_1220967.gif 568234;1395262503;benderp;with the bells 568235;1395262540;ninjashogun;benderp, sorry!! I was very interested in your response, just a bit delayed. I'm doing a few different things. 568236;1395262577;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEnz9CaJqTY 568237;1395262579;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, link to "see mp's piece on why it is unwise to become embroiled in the making of products for idiots." ?? This is about the opposite of what I've always heard. 568238;1395262592;asciilifeform;(about 10 min. long, so you need an attention span) 568239;1395262597;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I've always heard that if you make things for idiots, you will always have a huge market, since most people don't use most technologies. 568240;1395262643;ThickAsThieves;dafuck language are you spekaing? 568241;1395262650;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, so for their purposes, it might as well not exist. For example, for the purposes of most people in the world, bitcoin doesn't actually exist (theyu can't buy it at a western union currency exchange, or know how to install software for it.) 568242;1395262679;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, so if someone were to create something idiots could (actually) use then it would be (for them) as thought only it existed. Apple often does this and practically claims competing technology doesn't even exist. 568243;1395262742;ThickAsThieves;last night a couple asked me the easiest way to buy bitcoin, I said Coinbase, you just need to enter your checking account info, and the wife was all, I'm not putting my checking account info in some website! 568244;1395262759;ThickAsThieves;i was like, dont you buy stuff online all the time? 568245;1395262778;ThickAsThieves;yeah but can i just buy them with PayPal? 568246;1395262786;ThickAsThieves;etc 568247;1395262791;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: 'Honest toil not so much, but honest cunning aplenty in this fabled subsection of the population, the offensively stupid poor. The costs of the strategic mistake of dealing with them are huge. Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations com 568248;1395262791;asciilifeform;petent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cattle prods (or whatever theyre called now, non-lethal something or the other) to correctly handle them. They have the chemicals, theyve done the research, know the behavioural patterns, have the walls all built to 568249;1395262791;ninjashogun;ThickAsThieves, what did you say? 568250;1395262792;asciilifeform;obstruct vision, living arrangements all thought through and everything.' (mp's http://trilema.com/2012/strategic-superiority-a-saga) 568251;1395262798;mircea_popescu;paypal is not a website, and the government is not some twerps. 568252;1395262833;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, thank you for that link. I actually completely agree with it. 568253;1395262849;ThickAsThieves;i told her i wouldnt sell to them because theyd still need a wallet anyway 568254;1395262854;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I guess I had a different market in mind, not the true bottom third of the Pyramid of society. 568255;1395262861;ThickAsThieves;bitcoin really isnt for the masses 568256;1395262881;ThickAsThieves;i told her to buy FIG 568257;1395262910;ThickAsThieves;i also told them not to do anything i said 568258;1395262960;ninjashogun;ThickAsThieves, I'm not sure why bitcoin can't be for the masses. A wallet is an extremely close analogy with a physical wallet. The only major difference is the history. Isn't it? 568259;1395262981;ThickAsThieves;the difference really is that transactions are final 568260;1395262993;ThickAsThieves;without an Undo, idiots cant manage 568261;1395263000;ninjashogun;But this is true with a wallet as well. When you hand someone cash you don't expect to be able to unhand them that cash. 568262;1395263009;ThickAsThieves;who uses cash? 568263;1395263014;mircea_popescu;there's undo in mountain dew ? 568264;1395263021;deadweasel;do the undo 568265;1395263041;mircea_popescu;;;google undine 568266;1395263042;gribble;Undine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undine>; Undine (novella) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undine_(novella)>; Undine (alchemy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undine_(alchemy)> 568267;1395263061;ninjashogun;So we've identified two differences (1) transactions are final (2) there is a history of transactions somewhere. Is there anything else that would be a conceptual hurdle for everyone using bitcoin? 568268;1395263075;mircea_popescu;(the first nymphlet to drink piss) 568269;1395263078;ninjashogun;I mean as an analogy for a physical wallet with cash in it. 568270;1395263128;ThickAsThieves;like i said, you are comparing the wrong thing 568271;1395263139;ThickAsThieves;common man doesnt use cash for much of note 568272;1395263150;ThickAsThieves;they use debit/credit cards 568273;1395263152;ninjashogun;ThickAsThieves, I understand this. 568274;1395263153;ThickAsThieves;or PayPal 568275;1395263154;ThickAsThieves;etc 568276;1395263163;FabianB;in US 568277;1395263168;ThickAsThieves;indeed 568278;1395263176;ninjashogun;ThickAsThieves, but why such a strong statement above? "bitcoin really isnt for the masses" 568279;1395263179;FabianB;90% cash here 568280;1395263180;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00375616 = 0.2254 BTC [-] {3} 568281;1395263184;ninjashogun;I would very humbly suggest that in the long term it might be. 568282;1395263195;bitcoinpete;i'll just quietly leave this here: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/there-is-no-bitcoin-2-0/ 568283;1395263195;ThickAsThieves;common man also cant figure out to not open exe files from their email 568284;1395263197;mircea_popescu;FabianB where's that again ? japan ? 568285;1395263199;ninjashogun;unless there is some inherent conceptual hurdle that people can't understand. 568286;1395263213;bitcoinpete;;;later tell benkay thanks for the inspiration! 568287;1395263213;gribble;The operation succeeded. 568288;1395263221;deadweasel;ninjashogun, explain a bitcoin to a a newbie and then convince them to buy some. 568289;1395263227;FabianB;mircea_popescu: that was a personal statement, not country statistics 568290;1395263228;deadweasel;you'll find the hurdles 568291;1395263233;ThickAsThieves;^ 568292;1395263243;ninjashogun;deadweasel - I think i have some insight on this. 568293;1395263250;FabianB;mircea_popescu: but probably true for jp, korea and china, more or less 568294;1395263251;deadweasel;stop thinking then 568295;1395263256;mircea_popescu;i use cash only too. 568296;1395263256;ThickAsThieves;as you probly think you do about most things 568297;1395263263;ninjashogun;deadweasel, the major hurdle is that people who don't do forex don't normally talk of 'buying' currency. That's the only hurdle. Specifically: 568298;1395263269;deadweasel;no 568299;1395263269;mircea_popescu;did in the us, also. never had a problem with it, contrary to what people say 568300;1395263270;deadweasel;stop 568301;1395263281;ThickAsThieves;mp, but for the things you use cash for, would you ever use bitcoin instead? 568302;1395263281;ninjashogun;deadweasel, it doesn't make much sense to say "I bought $100 with my used bike." It feels wrong. But it's accurate. 568303;1395263284;FabianB;andd germany is still more cash than credit cards as well 568304;1395263302;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00081557 = 11.051 BTC [+] 568305;1395263303;deadweasel;honestly, i can't follow your ramblings at present, ninjashogun, how could you possibly explain it to a newbie? 568306;1395263311;mircea_popescu;turns out you can rent hotel rooms w/o credit cards just fine. provided you wear a suit and your gangster roll is larger than the receptionists' penis 568307;1395263321;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves not really. 568308;1395263342;deadweasel;^ 568309;1395263345;ninjashogun;deadweasel, sorry I wasn't clear enough. The difficulty with 'buying' a currency is that people don't think of 'buying' a dollar, or euro, or pound. It's a difficult concept for most people. People think of using currency, not buying it. 568310;1395263354;ThickAsThieves;in this way i think it's unwise to use normal cash wallets as the intro to noobs 568311;1395263363;mircea_popescu;maybe. 568312;1395263375;mircea_popescu;the jury in my head is out on the entire topic of bitcoin-backed ccs 568313;1395263378;ninjashogun;deadweasel, so if you were to say, "I bought $100 with my bicycle" it would - as you point out - sound like incoherent ramblings. It should be written, "I SOLD my bike for $100". 568314;1395263379;ThickAsThieves;it's much more akin to your onlin banking username and password 568315;1395263381;mircea_popescu;maybe they work, fuck knows. let people try. 568316;1395263399;ThickAsThieves;except that your online banking has Undo 568317;1395263402;moiety;I'm struggling with weighing up the frustration:lulz in relation to the ignore function 568318;1395263404;ninjashogun;so as soon as people starting talking about "Buying things with bitcoin" then it's pretty obvious how it works. 568319;1395263406;deadweasel;ninjashogun, i seem to have lost you completely. but i know one thing, the last time I thought I had some insight on bitcoin I asked everyone here. turns out i was wrong. 568320;1395263408;FabianB;i sell euro if i want rmb to get around in china 568321;1395263442;moiety;well done for managing this far deadweasel 568322;1395263476;deadweasel;ditto! 568323;1395263511;ninjashogun;deadweasel - what's wrong with the answer to your question "explain a bitcoin to a a newbie and then convince them to buy some" - bitcoin is just a currency like euros or pounds, except you don't need to involve banks, it works more like cash. If you want to buy something in pounds (let's say you visit London) you get some pounds at an exchange (using dollars). if you want to buy something using bitcoins, you get some bi 568324;1395263511;ninjashogun;tcoins (using dollars). 568325;1395263525;ThickAsThieves;this is also why i find those BigFoot bitcoin brochures so out of touch 568326;1395263538;ThickAsThieves;they make zero effort to actually initiate a new user 568327;1395263544;asciilifeform;bitcoinpete: i wish people didn't spread messianic exaggeration re: cardano. it isn't a Final Solution, just intended to be a little oasis in the desert. 568328;1395263551;ninjashogun;That would be the normal answer to the question you just stated.... 568329;1395263567;deadweasel;Cardono, TM, secures your btc and burns your jews, automatically! 568330;1395263571;asciilifeform;lol 568331;1395263581;deadweasel;Cardano* 568332;1395263594;asciilifeform;'throw transport down the well, so yer country can be free!' (sasha baroncohen) 568333;1395263603;ninjashogun;Normal users, for reasons we can appreciate, would then proceed to buy bitcoins if they had something they wanted to buy in bitcoins. (And only then.) This is currency working as it should. 568334;1395263607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50474 @ 0.00081576 = 41.1747 BTC [+] {3} 568335;1395263611;mircea_popescu;can anyone explain to me why clikcion on pete's link in note 5 http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/there-is-no-bitcoin-2-0/#fn-197-5 568336;1395263615;mircea_popescu;leads one to a random trilema page ? 568337;1395263620;deadweasel;ninjashogun: the mental hurdles people put up for themselves are far higher than the small mental hurdles you have bounded to understand it. 568338;1395263627;deadweasel;it = btc 568339;1395263634;mircea_popescu;meh sorry i mean note 6 not 5 568340;1395263638;ninjashogun;deadweasel - okay. So what happens when YOU explain bitcoin to a newbie? 568341;1395263640;mircea_popescu;and petey i liked note 3. 568342;1395263646;deadweasel;ninjashogun: I don't 568343;1395263647;mircea_popescu;exactly what good art is. 568344;1395263655;ThickAsThieves;mp, did yo edit the url at some point? 568345;1395263658;deadweasel;i wait for them to fucking beg me to explain it 568346;1395263665;ninjashogun;deadweasel ... 568347;1395263666;ThickAsThieves;or maybe it's cuz a 301 plugin 568348;1395263671;ThickAsThieves;in WP 568349;1395263673;deadweasel;ninjashogun: this is not jesus 568350;1395263684;ninjashogun;deadweasel, now you've lost me :) 568351;1395263685;ThickAsThieves;ninjashogun, no one buys bitcoin to buy things 568352;1395263693;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves no, that's the beauty of it : http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/ 568353;1395263697;ThickAsThieves;as no one sells things only for bitcoin 568354;1395263698;mircea_popescu;that leads to the proper article 568355;1395263710;deadweasel;ah ty, i wish I could grep your blog 568356;1395263712;mircea_popescu;he fucked up the url somehoiw but i can't tell how. 568357;1395263716;ninjashogun;ThickAsThieves, that's not true. Some people uses bitcoin to buy some things. if that weren't true, Tiger Direct wouldn't accept htem. 568358;1395263739;ThickAsThieves;i found the problem 568359;1395263740;ninjashogun;ThickAsThieves, I mean I get what you're saying about investors/speculators - but it has actual users of it as currency as well. 568360;1395263744;ThickAsThieves;his link has %E2%80%8E after it 568361;1395263752;deadweasel;they don't accept them and less than 1% of their biz is btc. they let Coinbase or Paybit or whatever do it 568362;1395263756;mircea_popescu;o fuck right you are 568363;1395263757;mircea_popescu;wd! 568364;1395263790;ThickAsThieves;no ninja you dont get what i'm syaing 568365;1395263797;ThickAsThieves;yes people spend bitcoins 568366;1395263798;ThickAsThieves;no shit 568367;1395263800;ninjashogun;deadweasel - fair enough, but I was just addressing "ninjashogun, no one buys bitcoin to buy things" - though to be fair ThickAsThieves probably meant to say that as a generalization, which is true. 568368;1395263808;deadweasel;ya 568369;1395263809;ThickAsThieves;but they dont BUY the specifically to buy things 568370;1395263814;ThickAsThieves;them* 568371;1395263824;ThickAsThieves;they buy them to speculate 568372;1395263830;ThickAsThieves;then maybe they buy things 568373;1395263844;ThickAsThieves;there are some exceptions 568374;1395263844;benderp;the thing with the people who buy things with bitcoins, is that eventually they will run out of bitcoins. 568375;1395263848;ninjashogun;ThickAsThieves what about silk road and questionably legal things? Didn't people buy btc specificially for those uses? 568376;1395263859;moiety;otherwise ninjashogun people would be buying exact amounts for their purchases to get the best conversion 568377;1395263864;ThickAsThieves;for example, you can only get MPEx account with BTC 568378;1395263884;ninjashogun;moiety, why would exact amounts be the best conversion? 568379;1395263893;ninjashogun;moiety, due to the spread? 568380;1395263896;ThickAsThieves;SR is an exception, not the common motivation to buy btc 568381;1395263904;ThickAsThieves;it also doesnt exist 568382;1395263910;ninjashogun;I get that, sure. 568383;1395263919;moiety;i mean as in, what would be the point in having leftovers if you were only buying it to buy something else 568384;1395263921;mircea_popescu;sr is still a thing ? 568385;1395263924;deadweasel;nope 568386;1395263932;deadweasel;darknetmarkets pop up and down on a weekly basis 568387;1395263936;mircea_popescu;not that it ever was much of a thing, but for the sake of lulz. 568388;1395263938;deadweasel;hacked, doxxed, whatever 568389;1395263946;ninjashogun;Oh....if in all the above you guys meant "you're not going to explain bitcoin Qua Investment to a newbie, and then get them to buy bitcoin" then that's probably true :). I wasn't thinking of it as an investment just then. 568390;1395263960;ThickAsThieves;right, no reason to trust in tormarkets anymore 568391;1395263976;ThickAsThieves;probly many people simply kept their contacts 568392;1395263981;jborkl;http://crypto-comics.com/comic6.html 568393;1395263983;ThickAsThieves;and buy direct 568394;1395263987;ninjashogun;moiety - the reason for leftovers is because you might want to buy something else as well? People generally exchange more currency than they will immediately spend, and keep the change to spend on other things. 568395;1395263992;benderp;ninjashogun: another challenge is the backup and restoration problem. 568396;1395264017;moiety;nvm 568397;1395264043;benderp;ninjashogun: the rational thing for long term btc holders is... 568398;1395264044;deadweasel;benderp: yeah, low hanging fruit, I should have started there. 568399;1395264045;benderp;to hold btc. 568400;1395264046;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's a thing in the sense communism is 'a thing' - folks will keep trying 568401;1395264046;ninjashogun;benderp - yes, probably. Do you think an offline wallet device that just knew its own balance (and displayed it continuously), had no backup or restore functionality, would ease this portion of the hurdle? 568402;1395264062;benderp;ninjashogun: how could an offline device know its balance? 568403;1395264064;deadweasel;slightly, but only for the already technically advanced 568404;1395264066;ninjashogun;benderp, my statement was regarding backup and restoration problems. 568405;1395264067;mircea_popescu;more like in the sense nerd sex is a thing, but yeah 568406;1395264078;benderp;no but no 568407;1395264083;moiety;ok, imma just head off to get a BTC to keep for my 2014 lipgloss purchases .. and perhaps an eyeliner, should i need one brb 568408;1395264084;benderp;how is an offline wallet going to know its balance? 568409;1395264089;benderp;ninjashogun: ^^ 568410;1395264094;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: let's work through this. how do you propose the wallet machine is to be communicated with? 568411;1395264102;asciilifeform;let me guess. dedicated piece of pc software. 568412;1395264106;benderp;over wifi! 568413;1395264118;benderp;it's sekyure, doncha no. 568414;1395264133;ninjashogun;I don't know how an offline wallet will know its balance. For example, if it stays offline and the account receives a transfer for someone, how will it get updated? 568415;1395264141;ninjashogun;from someone* 568416;1395264157;ThickAsThieves;it couldnt "know" its balance, but it could sync it 568417;1395264159;ninjashogun;I just know that conceptually an offline wallet is probably hte easiest thing to understand. 568418;1395264163;moiety;speaking of nerd sex, karpeles actually once tweeted about how being a nerd in japan was much better as he had talked a japanese chick into marrying him lol 568419;1395264167;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: please take the time to learn something about how btc actually works 568420;1395264173;ninjashogun;ThickAsThieves, so, conceptually, it would have to be "Ooops, I was wrong." until it syncs. 568421;1395264192;ThickAsThieves;it could sync by scanning a bar code 568422;1395264197;*;moiety wonders if he bought her with magic game cards 568423;1395264199;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, ok. However I'm trying to approach this from the point of view of a user. 568424;1395264200;benderp;ThickAsThieves: don't encourage him. 568425;1395264206;ThickAsThieves;:) 568426;1395264214;deadweasel;moiety: black lotus for a pink lotus! 568427;1395264224;deadweasel;or yellow lotus? 568428;1395264227;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: from the point of a luser, a mercedes runs by dwarves under the hood turning a crank. 568429;1395264231;moiety;lolol!!! 568430;1395264239;ninjashogun;The issue then would be that the only conceptually accurate device hte users could think of like a physical wallet, would have to be hot all of the time. 568431;1395264243;asciilifeform;if you want to discuss a hypothetical device, you must approach from the standpoint of the builder. 568432;1395264251;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, very fair statement. 568433;1395264258;deadweasel;ninjashogun: we could use toe warmers? 568434;1395264284;moiety;ninjashogun: all you need now is chip'n'pin for bitcoin and youre all set! 568435;1395264337;asciilifeform;the only reason anybody even dares to talk about 'hardware wallet' today is that he's weaseled out of the task of building the hard part 568436;1395264344;ninjashogun;hmmm. 568437;1395264356;ninjashogun;what do you think of moiety's suggestion? Here is what he's talking about - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_and_PIN 568438;1395264388;benderp;even moiety's in on the game now 568439;1395264391;asciilifeform;that'd be something like 'trezor' 568440;1395264394;ninjashogun;So in this sense the physical bitcoin 'wallet' would be a smart card with a PIN. It would NOT know its balance. However, people are very used to this mode of money use. 568441;1395264402;asciilifeform;all this does is store keys 568442;1395264414;asciilifeform;the luser is still relying on a pc to actually crank the protocol 568443;1395264427;asciilifeform;either his own, or some charlatan's remote box 568444;1395264443;benderp;hardware wallets are actually more complex and a greater pain in the ass. users must understand transactions, how to generate one, how to sign one, and how to transmit one. 568445;1395264451;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, yes, if you moved trezor into the form factor of an ATM card with a PIN, and using the same technology - then it would be interesting. 568446;1395264461;benderp;interesting!? 568447;1395264463;ninjashogun;then its readers would be connected to the bitcoin network instead of to a bank network. 568448;1395264471;benderp;interesting over useful?! 568449;1395264477;ninjashogun;both. 568450;1395264484;asciilifeform;'atm using btc' is old hat 568451;1395264508;ninjashogun;I mean if you took Trezor and made it look like an ATM card, by shrinking it down to the same chip size. (chip and pin) 568452;1395264521;asciilifeform;what is the point of this? 568453;1395264531;asciilifeform;all you'll get is angry idiots who stuff it in an ordinary atm 568454;1395264539;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, we were discussing what it would take for everyone to understand and use it :) 568455;1395264545;asciilifeform;use it where ?! 568456;1395264558;asciilifeform;might as well make it thin and cylindrical, to stuff up arse 568457;1395264597;deadweasel;what if you get stuck in an island prison for life with your autistic friend? 568458;1395264602;deadweasel;you'll need that feature 568459;1395264603;moiety;sorry i just finished facedesking 568460;1395264655;moiety;ninjashogun: that was in no way, shape or form a serious comment. my apologies. 568461;1395264689;deadweasel;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070511/ 568462;1395264690;ozbot;Papillon (1973) - IMDb 568463;1395264712;moiety;chip'n'pin shouldnt exist for fiat ffs 568464;1395264721;benderp;.bait 568465;1395264722;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m00z84bPzr1qzr53co1_1280.jpg 568466;1395264730;benderp;.bait 568467;1395264731;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lupgq6GTAG1qzr53co1_1280.jpg 568468;1395264740;ninjashogun;brb 568469;1395264758;benderp;.bait 568470;1395264760;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2grsvAZ3P1qzjc1ro1_500.jpg 568471;1395264766;asciilifeform;afaik chip & pin is still a crock of shit quite like traditional magstripe (i.e. it doesn't use crypto challenge/response but a fixed secret) 568472;1395264774;Diablo-D3;asciilifeform: well 568473;1395264779;Diablo-D3;you're looking at the problem wrong 568474;1395264783;Diablo-D3;magstripe is 70s tech 568475;1395264787;Diablo-D3;pin and chip is 80s tech 568476;1395264791;Diablo-D3;what we want is 90s tech 568477;1395264822;benderp;plain ol gpg should suffice 568478;1395264829;benderp;don't see what all the rush is about 568479;1395264840;asciilifeform;discussion was about classical fiat bank cards 568480;1395264852;asciilifeform;where the vendors actually have a strong incentive to permit some fraud 568481;1395264866;moiety;umm #2 please for me benderp 568482;1395264931;moiety;i think we should use gpg for everything, everywhere, all the time 568483;1395264960;*;asciilifeform goes to boil some tea using gpg 568484;1395265081;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, it was more on the smart chips in some atm cards. 568485;1395265098;joecool;asciilifeform: *but* does it lock out after too many failed attemps? 568486;1395265101;joecool;*attempts 568487;1395265174;ninjashogun;I think that's a very good idea, moiety, and if you targeted the chip'n'pin form factor (looks like a card) sold with a networked home reader, you could sell them as a plug-in solution to merchants. I'm not 100% sure how card processing works, but it may be possible to piggy-back on that system and let merchants use it as though it were card, meanwhile the back-end processor (your company?) or an intermediate networked de 568488;1395265174;ninjashogun;vice, is on the bitcoin network. 568489;1395265200;asciilifeform;pray tell, why does it need to look like a card? 568490;1395265215;moiety;ok i may have been a little enthusiastic there.. BUT you cannot deny if you were offered gpg tea or normal tea, you would ask for gpg tea 568491;1395265227;asciilifeform;moiety: i'm about to drink some as we speak. 568492;1395265232;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, it needs to look like a card because that's how people were tricked into using a more secure system before. :) (specifically, chip'n'pin) 568493;1395265241;moiety;ninjashogun: i have no words. learn about how card processing works first? 568494;1395265249;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, it's more secure to use chip'n'pin because the card info isn't sent in the clear. 568495;1395265256;ninjashogun;moiety - tell me. 568496;1395265258;moiety;asciilifeform: please tell me you heated it with lasers 568497;1395265265;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: if you'd like to trick people, you've the wrong address 568498;1395265271;moiety;ninjashogun: i don't believe that's my place to do so 568499;1395265277;moiety;you have eyes 568500;1395265283;joecool;well i'm already using chip and pin openpgp 568501;1395265285;joecool;:) 568502;1395265297;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I meant it (obviously) as a metaphor. Chip'n'pin works totally differently on a fundamnetal architectural level, from a card with a magnetic stripe. 568503;1395265331;joecool;http://www.g10code.de/p-card.html < 568504;1395265331;ozbot;g10 Code - Smartcard 568505;1395265334;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, if you took the architectural advantages of a chip'n'pin, and had it in a different form factor (not a card) then people wouldn't have started using it. 568506;1395265344;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: anyway, take this to the 'trezor' folks, not me. i've personally no interest in manufacturing 'lukewarm wallets.' 568507;1395265351;ninjashogun;:) :) 568508;1395265372;joecool;asciilifeform: have you looked at yubikey neo yet? 568509;1395265375;moiety;your metaphors and sarcasm are very clear... a few lines later ninjashogun (yawn) 568510;1395265380;Apocalyptic;is trezor still a thing ? 568511;1395265380;ninjashogun;this has been an interesting conversation. Yes, it's not easy to manufacture. I don't know how much those chips do when powered on but I doubt it's enough to do whatever a lukewarm wallet would need to. 568512;1395265388;joecool;Apocalyptic: as much as BFL is 568513;1395265399;ninjashogun;moiety - I'll work on it :). 568514;1395265473;asciilifeform;one of the things people refuse to understand about 'yubikey' et al is that miniaturization of the keychain/card variety is fundamentally antithetical to genuine security. 568515;1395265474;moiety;meh we can handle it, i'd work on listening first 568516;1395265506;ninjashogun;fair enough. 568517;1395265512;asciilifeform;for instance, where in the keychain could one stuff an analogue rng, auditable with the naked eye and oscilloscope ? 568518;1395265520;asciilifeform;its shield? 568519;1395265521;asciilifeform;etc 568520;1395265540;ninjashogun;but a combination of both does wonders. I would say we hit on several key insights in this conversation - that are also actionable. It might be very hard to make a reality, but at least we know the market is there. 568521;1395265568;moiety;it's also made it clear, you don't actually read the logs 568522;1395265577;asciilifeform;the market for cold fusion is also there. 568523;1395265581;thestringpuller;!last m s.mpoe 568524;1395265581;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00081576 BTC [+] 568525;1395265591;asciilifeform;and for philosopher's stone. 568526;1395265598;mike_c;wait for it.. here's the part where he asks for funding. 568527;1395265615;joecool;i'm not that Joe 568528;1395265622;thestringpuller;wow looks like there will be some interesting things in the logs 568529;1395265626;thestringpuller;amazing 568530;1395265626;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 568531;1395265632;joecool;^^^^^ 568532;1395265646;ninjashogun;asciilifeform - anyone who has an oscilloscope would not have to use a naked eye :) You can expect someone to have a magnifying lense ($0.50) if they have an oscilloscope ($100) 568533;1395265691;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, nobody here (or anywhere) has any architectural insights on making the philosopher's stone, or cold fusion, a reality. 568534;1395265694;moiety;not yet mike_c he got distracted 568535;1395265706;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: homework. determined the cost of, starting with nothing but idle hands, personally determining exactly what your 'yubikey' does. 568536;1395265712;asciilifeform;in sufficient detail to build a second. 568537;1395265721;*;moiety takes out her monacle - amidoinitwrong guise? 568538;1395265722;mircea_popescu;moiety i'd take green tea 568539;1395265730;mircea_popescu;and it's a monocle 568540;1395265755;moiety;aww :( failme have some green [secure] tea 568541;1395265767;ninjashogun;mike_c - No, I don't have any interest in building a device like that. The only way it would be feasible for a single person who has not made a substantial exit in another company, is if it were strongly patentable. Idon't think it is. 568542;1395265792;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller what specifically ? 568543;1395265795;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: what part of this crap do you imagine is patentable? 568544;1395265803;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.006 = 0.78 BTC [+] 568545;1395265804;asciilifeform;and in what pesthole country 568546;1395265811;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I just told you, none of it is patentable. 568547;1395265819;moiety;asciilifeform: Atlantis? 568548;1395265821;asciilifeform;glad that you understand at least this. 568549;1395265830;mike_c;ascii, are you patenting anything for snsa? 568550;1395265838;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, for example mircea_popescu could probably build a physical card that is a "lukewarm wallet" as you put it, he would have the funds, but I don't think he could get his R&D investment back - it would be money thrown away. 568551;1395265840;asciilifeform;not so much as a shoelace. 568552;1395265892;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, because he could not patent it to protect his R&D research into it. It's a somewhat tough problem due to the very very fine sizes involved, and also the need to have a very low cost of goods if oyu are going to sell it as a plastic cafrd. There's no model that I can think of that would support this. 568553;1395265892;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: sarcasm so nothing in particular 568554;1395265899;moiety;mircea_popescu: random side note, have you had white tea? 568555;1395265910;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521371.0 568556;1395265932;mircea_popescu;moiety yeah. i've had all sorts of tea once at some sort of "all sorts of tea event" in greenwich village 568557;1395265942;kakobrekla;i will not admit that. 568558;1395265943;ninjashogun;:) 568559;1395265956;mike_c;because you don't think the IP is the important part of things, or some other reason? 568560;1395265958;mircea_popescu;it's ~==== php isntit. 568561;1395265986;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.00081119 = 20.807 BTC [-] 568562;1395266000;moiety;mircea_popescu: i hear it's not very nice... a tea event sounds pretty cool though, to me 568563;1395266007;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: you were just told why a 'security' gizmo in the shape of a card is inescapably worthless. care to disagree? or do you even read replies at all 568564;1395266021;kakobrekla;no further comments on the subject were made. everyone lived happily ever after. 568565;1395266032;mircea_popescu;moiety the cleavage was spectaculay. oodlebunches of starving aspirational chicks wearing their friends' only designer outfit. 568566;1395266040;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, that tone isn't very conducive to development of anything. Not that I care. 568567;1395266045;mircea_popescu;o shit, i meant spectacular. i guess i... slipped ? 568568;1395266047;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00081529 = 25.3963 BTC [+] {2} 568569;1395266052;asciilifeform;ok, patiently explaining: 568570;1395266064;asciilifeform;take your yubikey, etc. and disassemble it 568571;1395266066;asciilifeform;what's inside? 568572;1395266071;moiety;s'ok i didn't notice cus i was wearing my monacle not my monocle 568573;1395266089;mike_c;trilema seems silent on the topic of patenting IP 568574;1395266089;joecool;asciilifeform: magic 568575;1395266128;mike_c;that must be the only topic i've ever looked for that it was silent on :) 568576;1395266148;mircea_popescu;mike_c http://trilema.com/2009/nu-exista-proprietate-intelectuala/ http://trilema.com/2009/despre-proprietatea-intelectuala/ http://trilema.com/2010/proprietatea-intelectuala/ http://trilema.com/2012/nemuritorul-afanti/ etc 568577;1395266160;mircea_popescu;you just don't read the right languages :D 568578;1395266160;joecool;damn that didn't take long 568579;1395266166;joecool;mircea_popescu: are you a bot? 568580;1395266168;wilimprex;asciilifeform: most importantly the card sw is cloused source and access to sdk is under nda 568581;1395266175;mircea_popescu;joecool i am a transcend. 568582;1395266178;asciilifeform;ok here we go 568583;1395266179;asciilifeform;http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4118/4747398370_f53198b421_b.jpg 568584;1395266182;mircea_popescu;which is worse than a bot 568585;1395266199;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I don't like to say it but it's "just" a single-board module around a microcontroller that is a usb device 568586;1395266214;asciilifeform;ok, now what's inside the micro ? 568587;1395266219;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, (I don't think this is a good use of the word "just"). But it answers your question regarding what is inside. 568588;1395266231;asciilifeform;i mean, you can certainly describe it in encyclopaedic terms. 568589;1395266233;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, flash memory some ram, processor... 568590;1395266237;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, what are you getting at? 568591;1395266249;asciilifeform;what would it cost you to determine exactly what the micro does 568592;1395266256;asciilifeform;and whether it matches what is printed on the box ? 568593;1395266289;Diablo-D3;[05:56:32] <asciilifeform> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4118/4747398370_f53198b421_b.jpg 568594;1395266291;Diablo-D3;wtf is that 568595;1395266297;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: you mentioned a chinese manufacturing contact. ask him. he'll tell you an exact cost, in the currency of your choice. 568596;1395266306;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, you oculdn't determine exactly what the micro does with any amount of money short of a multimilion dollar lab, but if you make reasonable assumptions (such as commodity components not being a highly engineered replacement) you can verify its operation for <$100 in equipment. 568597;1395266307;asciilifeform;in usd it'll be 5-6 figures. 568598;1395266314;ninjashogun;sure, yes. 568599;1395266317;ninjashogun;I agree. 568600;1395266329;asciilifeform;now why would i wish to buy this product? 568601;1395266354;ninjashogun;? The product you linked? So that it escrows your secret and your secret doesn't make it to a file on your PC or your PC memory... 568602;1395266376;ninjashogun;(or whatever it does that is equivalent) 568603;1395266421;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: it is trivial to design a crypto-whatever with malicious trapdoor 568604;1395266441;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, yes, I agree with you. 568605;1395266449;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, what is your point exactly? 568606;1395266449;joecool;Diablo-D3: xray of a yubikey neo i'm guessing 568607;1395266454;asciilifeform;joecool: yes 568608;1395266462;Diablo-D3;joecool: ahh 568609;1395266489;asciilifeform;joecool: trying to explain to ninjashogun why a crypto-gizmo like yubikey is fundamentally braindamaged 568610;1395266514;mike_c;geez, the article is in romanian and french? what's a poor american to do. 568611;1395266517;ninjashogun;do you know what that circular thing is in the middle of the xray you posted? (showing leads at 10 o'clock and 12 o'clock position)? 568612;1395266526;asciilifeform;the toggle switch. 568613;1395266534;ninjashogun;ok 568614;1395266535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00609996 = 0.2196 BTC [+] {3} 568615;1395266537;asciilifeform;(i thought you owned one of these, it's clear if you do) 568616;1395266547;ninjashogun;no I don't own one. 568617;1395266549;asciilifeform;ah ok 568618;1395266576;wilimprex;asciilifeform: any not open sourced hw/sw is not worht entrusting your data/secrets 568619;1395266585;asciilifeform;correct. 568620;1395266589;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, okay look I get that it's kind of braindamaged. ATM cards are also inherently extremely braindamaged - and loads of people have been ripped off by card swipers, false things they put their card into that is in front of a real ATM. 568621;1395266595;mircea_popescu;mike_c date a foreign slut, it won't kill you. 568622;1395266598;joecool;asciilifeform: with that being said do you feel the same way about the openpgp smartcard? 568623;1395266606;mircea_popescu;well... not in a big way anyway 568624;1395266607;mike_c;it won't kill me, but my wife will. 568625;1395266610;asciilifeform;likewise, open source is not enough. 568626;1395266613;asciilifeform;as described here: 568627;1395266613;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299 568628;1395266614;ozbot;Loper OS » Don’t Blame the Mice. 568629;1395266632;asciilifeform;it has to be a system that an interested, moderately-educated user might be able to... understand. 568630;1395266656;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know it strikes me how much pr/social media you're doing these days 568631;1395266682;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm probably just being successfully trolled 568632;1395266683;ninjashogun;The existence of this: https://www.google.com/search?q=atm+card+skimmer proves that ATM's are architecturally braindead. If a vulnerability vector like this existed even in theory, it would invalidate use of ATM's at foreign, unknown locations. 568633;1395266705;asciilifeform;joecool: no reason why the above doesn't apply to the gpg smartcard. 568634;1395266706;ninjashogun;it means it's a braindead architecture. it shouldn't be possible. 568635;1395266737;ninjashogun;That doesn't mean that ATM's aren't MASSIVELY useful, even though they are a flawed architecture. 568636;1395266747;ninjashogun;http://krebsonsecurity.com/tag/atm-skimmer/page/2/ 568637;1395266749;ozbot;atm skimmer — Krebs on Security 568638;1395266766;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: trying my hand at doing the kind of thing you do - enlightening stone age man 568639;1395266793;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to work terribly well. perhaps my hands simply don't grow from the correct place. 568640;1395266811;mircea_popescu;you don't have my tools, it's kind of like watching someone build bridges with a hammer 568641;1395266814;mircea_popescu;not that it can't be done 568642;1395266828;moiety;it's nothing to do with you asciilifeform, some people are unenlightenable. *sips encrypted hotchocolate* 568643;1395266847;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you'd love to take over this 'customer' i'll be happy to sit back and watch. 568644;1395266848;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I find some of what you have said useful. I wouldn't adopt the tone of enlightening a stone-age man, as I have a lot of experience in several areas that also make my background interesting. we can simply have a conversation you know :) 568645;1395266848;joecool;mircea_popescu: nice burn 568646;1395266881;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because my dosimeter is just about maxed out now. 568647;1395266901;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00609997 = 0.1769 BTC [+] {3} 568648;1395266911;mircea_popescu;eh what's the rush. 568649;1395266915;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, you've brought up good points about drawbacks to a mass-adoption card that is a lukewarm bitcoin wallet accepted directly by merchants. You are right, and htose are real. 568650;1395266916;mircea_popescu;time is an essential ingredient. 568651;1395266918;mike_c;ok, i think i got the jist: IP isn't real. IP has little to do with the success of the company. It's all about management. close? 568652;1395266925;mircea_popescu;mike_c F. 568653;1395266936;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu :) 568654;1395266944;mike_c;damnit. 568655;1395266952;mircea_popescu;the problem with trilema article is that they really don't have any gists 568656;1395266959;mircea_popescu;the details are more important than the actual article. 568657;1395266972;mike_c;details get quite mangled through google translate 568658;1395266977;mircea_popescu;i know. 568659;1395266995;mircea_popescu;well maybe the usg open sources its english translations/summaries of romanian t articles 568660;1395266996;mircea_popescu;eventually. 568661;1395267000;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, I was very highly impressed by the way in which you funded your site, and I was interested in your thoughts on a funding model I am working on for the jobs website that I mentioned to you earlier. (Based on a back-end skills graph that knows that, for example, C# is close to C++ and Java, but very far from embedded electronics design.) 568662;1395267018;ninjashogun;The following is what I was thinking: 568663;1395267023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 107 @ 0.00612908 = 0.6558 BTC [+] {3} 568664;1395267025;ninjashogun;(and I would love to hear your thoughts.) 568665;1395267027;moiety;mike_c: nao it comes 568666;1395267085;ninjashogun;So, the site is going to accept profiles from people (similar to LinkedIn). This sets up a chicken-and-egg problem because people would only upload a profile if htere is something in it for them, and in the beginning there owuld not be a big value proposition on the site. 568667;1395267124;moiety;would they not upload in the hope of getting a job? 568668;1395267140;ninjashogun;not in the beginning (I mean during the weekend-launch period!) 568669;1395267145;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 859 @ 0.00614249 = 5.2764 BTC [+] {4} 568670;1395267158;ninjashogun;If I put an MVP I code in a weekend online, and put it on hackernews and maybe reddit, it would not have profiles in the beginning. 568671;1395267172;ninjashogun;and it would not have job ads in the beginning. It's kind of a chicken-and-egg problem. 568672;1395267183;benderp;ninjashogun: how did mircea_popescu fund his site? 568673;1395267206;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 168 @ 0.00619989 = 1.0416 BTC [+] {2} 568674;1395267215;ninjashogun;benderp - I thought I read that he took a large BTC investment, for one thing. 568675;1395267235;ninjashogun;So I would solve this via another fact. People, especially highly technical people, know that if "you are not paying for a product, you ARE the product". 568676;1395267250;Apocalyptic;mircea , https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=265277.msg5786637#msg5786637 568677;1395267257;benderp;wrong again, ninjashogun. 568678;1395267267;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 400 @ 0.00619997 = 2.48 BTC [+] {2} 568679;1395267268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00081407 = 1.0583 BTC [-] 568680;1395267278;ninjashogun;benderp - I'm sure mircea_popescu can correct me if it's relevant 568681;1395267290;Apocalyptic;it's wasn't humiliating enough to get hacked & lose all funds, but now they came with the IDEA of an btc insurance company 568682;1395267292;mircea_popescu;lol 568683;1395267298;TomServo;ninjashogun: you could correct yourself by just reading a little. 568684;1395267301;Apocalyptic;seriously this shit is too good 568685;1395267302;mircea_popescu;such original, much trust well splendid. 568686;1395267312;ninjashogun;So, the idea is that the first 500 qualified profiles (full name, highly technical with CV, and in a major market - e.g. San Francisco, New York, London) - would get a 2.5% fully diluted equity in the company. The next 1500 profiles get 2.5%. And the following 8000 profiles get 5%. 568687;1395267328;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00619999 = 0.2976 BTC [+] 568688;1395267329;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299897 = 0.365 BTC [+] 568689;1395267356;benderp;if it's only going to take a weekend, ninjashogun, go do it and stop yammering. 568690;1395267356;Apocalyptic;I think you've written a trilema article on that in 2012 or 2013 568691;1395267371;ninjashogun;so rather than raise a traditional angel round of investment, you directly pay for the users, who "know" they are the product, to upload. Having 10,000 senior, lead, etc, technical profiles, is worth a substantial amount for the company, as well as enabling b2b deals etc. 568692;1395267373;TomServo;Sorry, I've been away a while - are we still going on about the social media rape whistle? 568693;1395267389;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00624362 = 0.3434 BTC [+] {2} 568694;1395267399;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic i tihnk so to, but why read when one could have ideas 568695;1395267404;ninjashogun;benderp - it doesn't just take a weekend. Part of what I'm doing is the ideation portion. For example I'm soliciting mirceau's feedback on just one aspect right now. 568696;1395267408;mircea_popescu;(on which i also wrote, but w/e, writing is overrated) 568697;1395267424;mircea_popescu;TomServo we're mostly doing buffett now. 568698;1395267451;ninjashogun;benderp - I would have to be very very lucky to get an MVP up in a weekend; I'd have to know exactly what I would want on it, and it would have to be very limited scope. 568699;1395267492;TomServo;mircea_popescu: that sounds much better. More since the bitbet and your "new era" article? 568700;1395267497;benderp;ninjashogun: luck? 568701;1395267499;mircea_popescu;nah, about that. 568702;1395267511;benderp;ninjashogun: i begin to understand your grasp of software development. 568703;1395267513;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, so the idea is that people know that there is a small chance they have an opportunity to invest at an early stage in the next "monster.com", and this would be a small incentive to upload their profile for some equity. 568704;1395267525;mircea_popescu;lookin at shit like http://bitbet.us/bet/712/bitcoin-difficulty-over-5-6b-before-april/#b84 i'm really curious if we're going to see a ~20k btc bet if come next year btc is still derping around 500 and berkshire is ~250l 568705;1395267627;mircea_popescu;also, http://25.media.tumblr.com/825d7bea9d134c86281c70de284be9cf/tumblr_mrab9er6mi1qh70jeo1_1280.jpg 568706;1395267629;dexX7;i don't get it? why did you mark this bet? 568707;1395267650;jurov;dexX7 it got highlighted auto 568708;1395267687;mircea_popescu;dexX7 people are making 10 btc bets on a 170/9 btc pool with 10k diff 568709;1395267694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00081119 = 6.5301 BTC [-] 568710;1395267706;mircea_popescu;No pays: 1.01721766 BTC 568711;1395267709;dexX7;ah 568712;1395267719;mircea_popescu;a 1% is apparently within the market granularity. 568713;1395267728;dexX7;yea, got it 568714;1395267736;Apocalyptic;"Something like that needs to be done! We must counterattack and find the criminals who do this kind of theft! 568715;1395267736;Apocalyptic;Otherwise, the altcoin and bitcoin world is going to fall apart! Who will want to have unsafe coins?" 568716;1395267742;Apocalyptic;the thread keeps on delivering 568717;1395267775;benderp;mircea_popescu: pits and tits! 568718;1395267790;mircea_popescu;benderp if anyone was curious to see how the bega looks. 568719;1395267816;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0062764 = 1.2553 BTC [+] 568720;1395267830;benderp;your dog? 568721;1395267832;benderp;your bitch? 568722;1395267841;kakobrekla;his pit. 568723;1395267877;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00634499 = 0.1269 BTC [+] {2} 568724;1395267880;mircea_popescu;nah, i don't have a dog. 568725;1395267883;benderp;hers? 568726;1395267897;mircea_popescu;its just a babieh yet 568727;1395267923;benderp;babby puppieeeeees 568728;1395267938;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.11950724 = 1.0756 BTC [-] 568729;1395267942;mircea_popescu;also, bawling 568730;1395267943;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/38137ba3e59166a3a43dbae9924e89dd/tumblr_mr7baspVZg1rztzruo1_1280.jpg 568731;1395267956;dexX7;http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/20/bitcoin-is-the-new-paypal/ slightly related to "scammers kill bitcoin".. half of it is about the beginning of paypal and the troubles they faced 568732;1395267957;ozbot;Bitcoin Is The New PayPal | TechCrunch 568733;1395267995;mircea_popescu;tech crutch. read all about how you don't need to really understand anything about new tech. 568734;1395267999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 182 @ 0.0063977 = 1.1644 BTC [+] {3} 568735;1395268060;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07299897 = 0.584 BTC [+] 568736;1395268096;benderp;i think i'll be getting my babe and my pit another puppy here soon. 568737;1395268121;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 168 @ 0.00639999 = 1.0752 BTC [+] {2} 568738;1395268122;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] 568739;1395268129;mircea_popescu;that came out a little... 568740;1395268237;benderp;yeah? 568741;1395268260;jurov;http://www.welivesecurity.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/operation_windigo.pdf 568742;1395268269;ThickAsThieves;i these articles that take so many words to say something you'd see in a tweet 568743;1395268273;ThickAsThieves;hate* 568744;1395268292;jurov;tl;dr: 25k linux servers used as botnet, access gained using stolen passwords 568745;1395268310;ThickAsThieves;Paypal was and is a target for scammers and hackers, bitcoin is too! better have good security! 568746;1395268366;dexX7;haha yea, that's the tltr 568747;1395268458;mircea_popescu;tl;dr : things happen in ways things happen, it's very important to either this or the other and make sure you brush your tits in the morning. 568748;1395268475;jurov;and check your balls 568749;1395268552;jurov;The first thing that stands out when looking at the data is the average length, which is much longer 568750;1395268553;jurov;than we expected. The average length is 568751;1395268555;jurov;11 568752;1395268555;ThickAsThieves;hmm so the new Bitcoin "Core" allows payment requests 568753;1395268556;jurov;. 568754;1395268558;jurov;09 568755;1395268559;jurov;characters, a lot longer than the 568756;1395268561;jurov;7 568757;1395268562;jurov;. 568758;1395268564;jurov;63 568759;1395268565;ThickAsThieves;cant wait for scammers to game that 568760;1395268565;jurov;characters average 568761;1395268567;jurov;found in the LulzSec leak, which was 568762;1395268568;jurov;analyzed 568763;1395268570;jurov;in 568764;1395268571;jurov;2011 568765;1395268573;jurov;. This most likely reflects the fact that system 568766;1395268574;jurov;administrators are more conscious about the importance of strong passwords than the average 568767;1395268576;jurov;Internet user. 568768;1395268577;ThickAsThieves;stahp! 568769;1395268577;jurov;ooh sorry 568770;1395268629;mircea_popescu;i think we should institute a 1 bitcent fine for unseemly behaviour 568771;1395268636;mircea_popescu;to be voluntarily sent to teh donations address 568772;1395268673;ThickAsThieves;we should also have a bitcoin judgement system 568773;1395268679;Neil;.d 568774;1395268679;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 939 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.3854% in 5d 21h 25m 29s 568775;1395268682;ThickAsThieves;oh wait 568776;1395268682;Neil;;;prevdiffchange 568777;1395268687;gribble;11.38694 568778;1395268690;jurov;was that 17 lines? guess i'm sending 0.17btc as donation then 568779;1395268699;mircea_popescu;jurov per instance not per lines 568780;1395268709;ThickAsThieves;or 1sat per line 568781;1395268717;mircea_popescu;too dusty 568782;1395268722;ThickAsThieves;whichever is greater 568783;1395268732;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15852 @ 0.00081407 = 12.9046 BTC [+] 568784;1395268732;mircea_popescu;dude if someone pastes 10k lines... 568785;1395268737;TomServo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyD3pomSxko 568786;1395268737;ozbot;Charlamagne Doesn't Care if White People Say N-Word - YouTube 568787;1395268741;ThickAsThieves;we can back tax ninjashogun 568788;1395268750;mircea_popescu;he'd have to have btc first. 568789;1395268751;TomServo;mircea_popescu: you might appreciate that, he may even be a reader 568790;1395268760;mircea_popescu;TomServo i thought he was dead ? 568791;1395268773;TomServo;could be, I wouldn't know 568792;1395268794;mircea_popescu;;;google charlemagne 568793;1395268794;gribble;Charlemagne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne>; Charlemagne - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com: <http://www.history.com/topics/charlemagne>; Charlemagne (Holy Roman emperor) -- Encyclopedia Britannica: <http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/106546/Charlemagne> 568794;1395268821;TomServo;around 2:00 is the more relevant piece 568795;1395268833;TomServo;or the beginning I should say 568796;1395268886;mircea_popescu;o it's standup 568797;1395268904;mircea_popescu;drug war veteran lol 568798;1395268914;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61887799 = 1.2378 BTC [+] 568799;1395269013;mircea_popescu;the blood argument is incredibly weak. there's a shitton of blood on "romanian", doth not make it particularly unusable. 568800;1395269240;diametric;https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1428 568801;1395269241;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you got me reading the adventures of the 14th waffen grenadiers, which resulted in much amusement at the freitag guy 568802;1395269245;diametric;better not produce any yellow measurement devices. 568803;1395269306;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol 568804;1395269585;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00391 = 0.1955 BTC [+] 568805;1395269977;moiety;mircea_popescu: Live action versions now available! http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/15/a-naked-woman-jogs-down-a-busy-london-high-street-and-its-all-caught-on-camera-4588995/ 568806;1395270012;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.00081382 = 36.6626 BTC [-] {3} 568807;1395270072;mircea_popescu;moiety good for you 568808;1395270112;moiety;thanks, the photo tours gave me the idea 568809;1395270138;Neil;Glass beads going for $600 a piece 568810;1395270169;benderp;blow stamps to be had for cheap 568811;1395270174;benderp;;;ticker 568812;1395270175;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 611.98, Best ask: 611.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 611.99, 24 hour volume: 6981.71545735, 24 hour low: 605.11, 24 hour high: 623.95, 24 hour vwap: 613.150833954 568813;1395270178;mircea_popescu;Neil are they on a string ? 568814;1395270187;benderp;can we buy them already in a butt? 568815;1395270195;Ghaleon;what is the best route for a startup to go public btc style? 568816;1395270233;benderp;list on cryptostocks 568817;1395270265;mircea_popescu;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-19/gambling-website-s-bitcoin-denominated-stock-draws-sec-inquiry.html 568818;1395270297;benderp;oh ho ho garzik's slipping protobufs back into bitcoin 568819;1395270317;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.0038 = 0.4902 BTC [-] 568820;1395270391;moiety;http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs17/f/2007/216/d/d/Japanese_Chin_puppy_by_Lena_Lou.jpg i would like one of these, but unsure if actual dog or just cat that can bark 568821;1395270455;mircea_popescu;lol 568822;1395270647;benderp;horrible creatures 568823;1395270668;mircea_popescu;i'd be curious in what happens if they fuck a rabbit 568824;1395270676;dexX7;what does the sec want with the user data etc.? i'm wondering, if this is about the sale of sd, btc stocks in general or an investigation about some fraud going on etc.. 568825;1395270709;mircea_popescu;dexX7 they don't want to say, apparently. 568826;1395270726;mircea_popescu;people have been pointing to "clash of cultures" discussing this, and its true 568827;1395270734;mircea_popescu;but the real clash isn't "you wanna phone me ? get on irc" 568828;1395270757;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: might as well ask the buggers to skip straight to kissing the ring (tm) 568829;1395270757;dexX7;they may not want to say it, sure. but what do you think about it? any guess? 568830;1395270764;mircea_popescu;the clash of cultures is between the ankylosis of old bureaucratic paperwork and contemporary digital openness 568831;1395270782;mircea_popescu;i somehow can pursue bitcoin fraud quite in the open. the sec can not. why not ? 568832;1395270793;mircea_popescu;well... it doesn't have the people, the brains, the training or the intellectual culture. 568833;1395270815;asciilifeform;or the incentive. 568834;1395270816;mircea_popescu;this obviously will have to chance, and this obviously will change. it's just that a number of otherwise well meaning people didn't even know they had this problem until last month 568835;1395270829;ninjashogun;I'll pay your backtax on unseemly behavior (along with my apologies). I have a better grasp of the channel dynamics here. 568836;1395270833;mircea_popescu;dexX7 well on what basis would i think about it. i have no idea. 568837;1395270888;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the incentive it does have. it's more effective, more effectual and cheaper. that's really the eos. 568838;1395270945;mircea_popescu;dexX7 maybe the sale was fictitious. maybe erik had the wrong kind of friends, a la shrem. maybe shrem was his wrong kind of friends. who the hell knows at this point. 568839;1395270968;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to the extent sec exists for some actual purpose, that purpose includes infesting the btc world with whatever plagues can be conjured up, not extinguishing them 568840;1395270972;mircea_popescu;maybe they're honestly just trying to understand wtf is going on. i could sorta see if i was in that position i'd go fishing like this. why not. 568841;1395270979;asciilifeform;it's an arm of the beast 568842;1395270981;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how do you know this ? 568843;1395270985;benderp;ninjashogun: you also owe me 5btc for my time this afternoon ;) 568844;1395270991;mircea_popescu;i'm not saying it's right or wrong, but how would you know ? 568845;1395271008;asciilifeform;because it is a fruit of the poisoned tree (fdr/'newdeal') 568846;1395271021;mircea_popescu;but even so. 568847;1395271030;mircea_popescu;this view requires it be too perfect a fruit. 568848;1395271040;mircea_popescu;just because her name is lilith does not know she knows how to suck cock, you know ? 568849;1395271050;mircea_popescu;does not mean* 568850;1395271084;asciilifeform;you might as well imagine that 'fda' exists For The Good of The People 568851;1395271095;Ademan;asciilifeform: some people believe that 568852;1395271101;Ademan;s/some/many/ 568853;1395271106;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of space between "exists for the good of the people" and "was spawned by the devil and is making him proud" 568854;1395271118;mircea_popescu;it could just... yoiu know... sorta suck, sorta limp along as best it can... 568855;1395271131;ninjashogun;benderp 5 btc for an hour seems a bit steep :) that's $3000 per hour or a daily rate of... $24,000 - or a monthly rate of... $600,000. 568856;1395271140;mircea_popescu;i mean, normal people have normal kids, from down syndrome to superclever. 568857;1395271146;ninjashogun;benderp - I would go to monthly billing, it's probably psychologically easier to justify :) 568858;1395271147;Ademan;mircea_popescu: I got a good chuckle out of your correspondence with the SEC, bravo. 568859;1395271147;mircea_popescu;the devil only has superclever kids ? how. 568860;1395271151;mircea_popescu;Ademan cheers. 568861;1395271155;moiety;he included therapy costs for the stress 568862;1395271155;asciilifeform;all of these tentacles limp along, until they encounter... a meal. 568863;1395271166;asciilifeform;then, delicious crunch crunch 568864;1395271203;mircea_popescu;well maybe. 568865;1395271213;mircea_popescu;you ever seen a kid try to feed a lizzard ? 568866;1395271225;mircea_popescu;or w/e other reptile. 568867;1395271234;asciilifeform;sec can be manned by devils, or by mild-mannered bureaucrats just plodding along, paying their credit card bills. but in point of fact, it is a machine built for preventing americans from doing certain voluntary things with their money 568868;1395271240;mircea_popescu;it's true that reptiles are great hunters. it's false that they're uber hunting machines as the kid imagines them 568869;1395271249;mircea_popescu;speaking of which : anyone remember tom green's performance in road trip ? 568870;1395271254;asciilifeform;just the same way as nsa is built for a certain purpose 568871;1395271262;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that it fails at. miserably. 568872;1395271264;mircea_popescu;repeatedly. 568873;1395271269;mircea_popescu;despondently. bleakly. 568874;1395271285;mircea_popescu;you have no idea what depression is until you've seen the depths through the eyes of a high ranking bureaucrat. 568875;1395271308;Neil;Lol, "as well as his account statements" 568876;1395271311;asciilifeform;no need to go far for other examples. fbi, for instance, mainly relies on entrapment to manufacture 'terrorists' 568877;1395271318;joecool;heh i never read the bitvps story on trilema 568878;1395271323;asciilifeform;(see the 'new york death ray' case recently) 568879;1395271357;joecool;mircea_popescu: heroin was the likely answer regarding that case 568880;1395271372;mircea_popescu;joecool how you mean ? 568881;1395271415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.054598 = 0.3276 BTC [+] {2} 568882;1395271416;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.066 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2} 568883;1395271417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] 568884;1395271426;joecool;mircea_popescu: i'm guessing he got embarrassed about his habit and stopped reporting P&L statements when the L was coming from heroin acquisitions 568885;1395271494;joecool;bitvps 2.0 was supposed to happen for him too but he started selling the equipment he lined up for that last week 568886;1395271543;mircea_popescu;afaik he got some job in the uk and forgot all about this 568887;1395271549;Apocalyptic;lolwhat 568888;1395271551;joecool;LOL 568889;1395271553;Apocalyptic;^ 568890;1395271557;mircea_popescu;at the time bitcoin didn't look as big as it does today. iirc it was ~2-5 bux per or somesuch 568891;1395271612;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever read 'Man-Eaters of Kumaon', by J. Corbett ? 568892;1395271618;Ghaleon;heroin eh? 568893;1395271621;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/b865dd69b609d36eb46a1e982ce15c83/tumblr_mqpdtfDEkZ1s9rg6lo1_1280.jpg 568894;1395271627;joecool;Ghaleon: yes 568895;1395271630;mircea_popescu;or, "every ass looks good on a bike. that's why we buy bikes" 568896;1395271633;asciilifeform;a study of tigers and when/how/why they eat human 568897;1395271635;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nop 568898;1395271640;Ghaleon;we need to propel bit coin to mass respectability,.. one inch at a time 568899;1395271661;asciilifeform;essence being, it is the weak/old/injured beasts that are the most dangerous to man 568900;1395271667;asciilifeform;rather than the strongest 568901;1395271674;mircea_popescu;this is true, yeah 568902;1395271680;Ghaleon;tiger only go man eater when they lose their teeth , get wounded and cannot hunt normal prey, most animals avoid humans 568903;1395271690;asciilifeform;because they are unable to catch the meat that they actually like 568904;1395271696;mircea_popescu;it's not a matter of like. 568905;1395271700;mircea_popescu;any population has its marginals 568906;1395271706;Ghaleon;yes, much as among humans, it is the cowards we must watch for.. not the brave ones 568907;1395271706;mircea_popescu;those marginals have to still make ends meet 568908;1395271708;benderp;or as I say to my staunchly little-d democratic friends "everything is born, matures, ossifies and dies. governments are no different." 568909;1395271709;asciilifeform;well, their standard diet, for whatever biological reason 568910;1395271713;mircea_popescu;why do you think it's mostly the lowlifes that scam ? 568911;1395271718;asciilifeform;right 568912;1395271724;mircea_popescu;because they got offered the cushy sec job and passed on it to be on the street ? 568913;1395271735;asciilifeform;so u.s. bureaucrats are not harmless merely because of their everyday impotence. 568914;1395271741;Ghaleon;humans are good creatures by nature 568915;1395271742;asciilifeform;if anything, they are hungry for easy meat 568916;1395271748;asciilifeform;like 'silk roat' et al. 568917;1395271751;asciilifeform;*road 568918;1395271752;Ghaleon;the system is corrupt. it makes monsters out of many of us 568919;1395271754;mircea_popescu;except i'm a fucking briar patch. 568920;1395271761;mircea_popescu;nobody sane would try to bite a rosehip bush. 568921;1395271768;mircea_popescu;best go after actual meat. 568922;1395271822;benderp;"hardest target in bitcoin", to quote a guy. 568923;1395271842;asciilifeform;no argument. just that some naive lost soul might mistakenly conclude that 'u.s. bureaucrats, harmless' 568924;1395271852;mircea_popescu;a, certainly. nothing man made is harmless. 568925;1395271859;asciilifeform;storytime 568926;1395271873;mircea_popescu;i know a case of a woman that died through exploded colon because she and her coworker shoved an air compressor outlet in her ass 568927;1395271875;asciilifeform;in the ussr, trade in (and even possession) of gold bullion was theoretically a capital opffense 568928;1395271875;mircea_popescu;and pushed go. 568929;1395271884;mircea_popescu;air compressors, turns out, are very dangerous and quite lethal 568930;1395271884;asciilifeform;*offense 568931;1395271901;asciilifeform;it was largely never enforced, except for a certain very famous case where it was. 568932;1395271920;asciilifeform;bureaucrats wanted to 'look tough' that one time. 568933;1395271939;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the air compressor story is inescapably linked in my mind with Latvia. 568934;1395271958;mircea_popescu;it seriously happened here, not urban legend or anything. 568935;1395271962;asciilifeform;where the germans came across a school full of orthodox jews and publicly dispatched them in exactly this way. 568936;1395271971;asciilifeform;it was in a mechanic's shop 568937;1395271980;asciilifeform;(or rather, adjacent to one) 568938;1395271992;mircea_popescu;http://www.amosnews.ro/arhiva/joc-erotic-terminat-tragic-17-11-2005 568939;1395271994;ozbot;Joc erotic terminat tragic 568940;1395272028;deadweasel;the ole airhose in the outhose, lethal she be 568941;1395272029;asciilifeform;except the jerries did it in reverse 568942;1395272035;asciilifeform;hose in mouth 568943;1395272087;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can't blame them. it's only the past 10-20 years that you can safely go in the undies of people picked off the street. 568944;1395272087;benderp;modern impalement. 568945;1395272130;asciilifeform;lol 568946;1395272178;asciilifeform;benderp: impalement (of the king vlad, rather than assyrian, variety) was a much more leisurely affair 568947;1395272191;asciilifeform;the 'client' would be left alone with his thoughts for some days. 568948;1395272210;benderp;goodness. 568949;1395272211;benderp;fed? 568950;1395272213;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, is it worth a read ? 568951;1395272220;asciilifeform;esp. if the stake was thick (the 'dracula' chronicle i translated some weeks ago carefully specified 'thick') 568952;1395272276;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: is what worth read 568953;1395272278;asciilifeform;? 568954;1395272282;Apocalyptic;'Man-Eaters of Kumaon', by J. Corbett 568955;1395272286;asciilifeform;it is. 568956;1395272303;asciilifeform;but the general fact behind the animals described therein is, i believe, well-known. 568957;1395272318;Apocalyptic;will get one then 568958;1395272345;asciilifeform;it is largely about how tigers were hunted (written by a professional) 568959;1395272391;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 6102 @ 0.00361384 = 22.0517 BTC [-] {47} 568960;1395272418;mircea_popescu;http://bitcoingirl.org/ 568961;1395272419;ozbot;Bitcoin Girl 568962;1395272427;mircea_popescu;is this the same one as before or a totally different identical one ? 568963;1395272442;ninjashogun;(question: has trezor been audited?) 568964;1395272452;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 13898 @ 0.00312378 = 43.4143 BTC [-] {39} 568965;1395272460;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when do we get 'dollar girl' ? 568966;1395272473;mircea_popescu;i think marlin was dollar girl 568967;1395272494;joecool;lol not Leah 568968;1395272494;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: almost certainly not, given that it isn't commercially available last i checked 568969;1395272540;mircea_popescu;http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/marilyn-monroe-3-andrew-fare.jpg 568970;1395272542;mircea_popescu;that one. 568971;1395272583;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'Courtesans and Fishcakes' (J.N.Davidson) mentions an ancient greek whore affectionately called 'Obole' (after her price, 1 obol) 568972;1395272588;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, will you trust it when it's available? 568973;1395272590;mircea_popescu;hehe. 568974;1395272601;mircea_popescu;nah, the greek girl was phyrne 568975;1395272604;Shakespeare;"and an e-mail sent to a general mailbox at SatochiDice was unanswered." I wonder why! 568976;1395272641;Shakespeare;SEC isnt run by the devil or whatever, i thought it was run by perverts and sex addicts? 568977;1395272641;mircea_popescu;i didn't even know they had an inbox 568978;1395272644;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: there is sufficient information available about 'trezor' to learn the answer to this. but please do own homework 568979;1395272661;Shakespeare;if they dom it's certainly not satoChidice.com 568980;1395272667;mircea_popescu;hahaha 568981;1395272673;mircea_popescu;dude what's with these people mispelling sites 568982;1395272686;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, given that my question is whether you, specifically, will trust it - there is no way to do so other than to ask you :) 568983;1395272689;mircea_popescu;the daphne chick misspelled her own email in her own sigblock, it's like... 568984;1395272694;mircea_popescu;do you even type! 568985;1395272697;asciilifeform;mispelling is 'yesterday' - 'today' is 'bit-squatting.' 568986;1395272709;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: if you must know, the answer is no. 568987;1395272738;mircea_popescu;carsam ^ you misspelled the domain name. 568988;1395272785;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, ok 568989;1395272803;Shakespeare;<@assbot> [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 13898 @ 0.00312378 = 43.4143 BTC [-] {39} /// impressive! 568990;1395272971;mircea_popescu;so til my name means Peace Priest. 568991;1395272972;dexX7;ninjashogun: trezor firmware is open source afaik, so you can always verify for yourself or push your own version 568992;1395272981;mircea_popescu;i am hereby the first and probably only simpleminded psychotic peace priest. 568993;1395272988;mircea_popescu;SPPP 568994;1395272991;asciilifeform;dexX7: in what sense is it open source? 568995;1395273015;Ademan;asciilifeform: I was under the impression both the hardware and software are going to be open source 568996;1395273019;benderp;Shakespeare: what was the slippage on that one? 568997;1395273024;Ademan;"slush said so in the advertising video" 568998;1395273029;mircea_popescu;Ademan the space between going to be and is. 568999;1395273034;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, what does that mean? 569000;1395273035;asciilifeform;dexX7: the vendor's site has a bunch of stuff but none of the actual interesting bits. this may change at some point, ask him. 569001;1395273055;ninjashogun;are you exchanging a symmetric password with someone over this channel? ;-) 569002;1395273057;Ademan;mircea_popescu: considering the trezor hasn't been released yet though, it hardly bothers me. 569003;1395273068;asciilifeform;although there are interesting bits that can be inferred merely from the pcb mask posted by the author. 569004;1395273072;Ademan;not that I'll give them any money right now though 569005;1395273084;asciilifeform;but, why should i steal all of the surprises? it's unsportsmanlike. 569006;1395273084;dexX7;"Some of the sources are at http://github.com/trezor/. We are in the process of finalizing and cleaning up the sources and preparing a security audit of the code. We will publish the sources before shipping TREZOR to our customers." 569007;1395273093;mircea_popescu;Ademan kinda in the same boat myself. 569008;1395273111;dexX7;ah i didn't know that not everything was already released 569009;1395273120;Shakespeare;<benderp> Shakespeare: what was the slippage on that one? /// I dunno if it'd be fair to assess considering the volatility daily, but I think the sale started about 20% higher than where it ended 569010;1395273145;Shakespeare;last week it was a similar price though 569011;1395273162;Shakespeare;so overall not a bad out for whoever 569012;1395273172;benderp;so copyright and patents. do these survive the bitpocalypse? 569013;1395273183;Ademan;benderp: nope, IP bad 569014;1395273202;Shakespeare;they survive, via WoT 569015;1395273215;Ademan;Shakespeare: how does WoT = IP? 569016;1395273225;Ademan;or ~= even 569017;1395273238;Ademan;(not the perl meaning though) 569018;1395273241;Shakespeare;it certainly doesnt equal it 569019;1395273252;Shakespeare;but in as much as what copyright really is 569020;1395273255;benderp;"IP bad" an argument doth not make, Ademan. 569021;1395273274;asciilifeform;Ademan: how does WoT = IP << see mp's piece on how 'the same string, emitted from different mouths, is worth different amount' 569022;1395273278;asciilifeform;wot tells you which mouth. 569023;1395273280;mircea_popescu;benderp that's complicated. 569024;1395273291;benderp;mircea_popescu: i know. kinda why i bring it to the sages. 569025;1395273299;mircea_popescu;i think your cancer joke is too soon. 569026;1395273306;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 981 @ 0.00015394 = 0.151 BTC [+] 569027;1395273450;mircea_popescu;http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/000/237/789/830.jpg 569028;1395273457;Shakespeare;what's this nonsense where if you direct link a WSJ article, you get a paywall 569029;1395273463;Shakespeare;but if you Google it, you dont 569030;1395273482;Shakespeare;http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304026304579449782511589924?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304026304579449782511589924.html 569031;1395273483;ozbot;SecondMarket Seeks to Open Bitcoin Fund to Ordinary Investors - WSJ.com 569032;1395273501;Shakespeare;SecondMarket seeks to get a call from Ms. Waxman 569033;1395273515;Ademan;asciilifeform: Well the objectionable part of IP for me is more patent trolling, punishing independent discovery of the same thing, stupidly narrow fair use policies. I'd definitely be ok with an independent institution that tracks initial discoveries, and if the market is willing to pay more for products from them, then great 569034;1395273516;mircea_popescu;"seeks" you know ? 569035;1395273532;asciilifeform;what prevents 'ordinary investor' from simply buying btc somewhere? 569036;1395273532;mircea_popescu;alaskan husky seeks to knit sweater 569037;1395273540;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you don't understand the press do you. 569038;1395273557;Shakespeare;"SecondMarket Inc. is racing to open up a private bitcoin investment fund to ordinary investors as soon as the fourth quarter, potentially beating a rival offering by two investors best known for their lawsuit against Facebook Inc. FB -1.37% chief executive Mark Zuckerberg." 569039;1395273562;Shakespeare;such a painful sentence 569040;1395273577;Shakespeare;oh they are SO COOL for not spelling out Winklevoss 569041;1395273599;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: evidently not. 569042;1395273637;Ademan;I can't wait until the absurd amount of funds on wallstreet join in the price rollercoaster 569043;1395273649;asciilifeform;why does anybody interested in btc need a 'fund' ? 569044;1395273656;asciilifeform;someone please enlighten me? 569045;1395273660;mircea_popescu;Ademan it's complicated. 569046;1395273672;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because the average american owns some bezzle called 401k 569047;1395273679;mircea_popescu;which he's not allowed to spend on normal nonbezzle items 569048;1395273685;Shakespeare;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/19/bitbeat-kncminer-flips-the-scrypt-sells-2-million-of-new-rigs-in-four-hours/?mod=WSJBlog 569049;1395273686;ozbot;BitBeat: KnCMiner Flips the Scrypt; Sells $2 Million of New Rigs in Four Hours - MoneyBeat - WSJ 569050;1395273687;mircea_popescu;should bitcoin get bezzle status, adelman problem 569051;1395273721;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes, i know of this - one time got a new job and forgot to opt out, lost a few bucks into nevernever land 569052;1395273723;Shakespeare;above link pairs well with http://bitbet.us/bet/789/ltc-to-pass-25-on-btce-before-april/ 569053;1395273767;Shakespeare;to bad that bet ends so soon 569054;1395273771;Shakespeare;too* 569055;1395273790;kakobrekla;not much game on ltc bets 569056;1395273790;Ademan;it's also a sufficient PITA to buy BTC (legally) and the average person *likes* investing in HerpDerp Corp, and are no doubt frightened by there being no CEO of Bitcoin to hate 569057;1395273815;Shakespeare;if you had LTCbet.us maybe more action 569058;1395273835;Shakespeare;of course AltBet.us would have to come first 569059;1395273841;Shakespeare;she's selfish like that 569060;1395273845;Ademan;crapcoinbet.us 569061;1395273854;diametric;theres ltc bombs if i'm not mistaken 569062;1395273870;kakobrekla;well i guess that is another thing you can build on top of bbet, on the fly exchange 569063;1395273883;mircea_popescu;^ 569064;1395273906;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: that sounds like a good way to end up playing 'moldbug's chess' 569065;1395273918;Shakespeare;so you'd be okay with an ATC mirror that simply converted to BitBets? 569066;1395273944;diametric;http://bitbet.us/bet/621/any-altcoin-will-surpass-litecoin-in-market-capitalization/ 569067;1395273948;asciilifeform;'Imagine a chess game. Now, imagine a group of kibitzers watching the chess game. Now, imagine the kibitzers begin to bet on the game. The betting will create odds. The odds express each side's probability of winning. This is a prediction market. To turn this prediction market into a decision market, we say: could we get rid of one of the players, and just have the kibitzers play the game?' 569068;1395273952;asciilifeform;http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2010/01/hanson-moldbug-debate.html 569069;1395273953;ozbot;Unqualified Reservations: The Hanson-Moldbug debate 569070;1395273953;kakobrekla;;;google moldbugs chess 569071;1395273954;gribble;Unqualified Reservations: The Hanson-Moldbug debate: <http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2010/01/hanson-moldbug-debate.html>; Overcoming Bias : My Moldbug Debate: <http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/01/my-moldbug-debate.html>; Bruce Charlton's Miscellany: The Leftism of Mencius Moldbug: <http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-leftism-of-mencius-moldbug.html> 569072;1395273958;diametric;How is the market cap going to be determined in that bet? 569073;1395273959;kakobrekla;ah 569074;1395273982;diametric;oh wait it has a link in it 569075;1395273986;Shakespeare;the bet is over no? 569076;1395274016;diametric;Does Ripple count? 569077;1395274030;diametric;this bet seems super ambiguous 569078;1395274036;Shakespeare;the bet is closed man 569079;1395274038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61889 BTC [+] 569080;1395274048;diametric;Apparently I'm blind 569081;1395274051;diametric;as well 569082;1395274075;diametric;carry on 569083;1395274099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-] 569084;1395274100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.619158 = 3.0958 BTC [+] {3} 569085;1395274112;mircea_popescu;diametric is super confused. 569086;1395274140;Ademan;mircea_popescu: is reddit's /u/MPOE-PR legit? 569087;1395274149;mircea_popescu;uh whassat ? 569088;1395274160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.629622 = 3.1481 BTC [+] {3} 569089;1395274165;Ademan;http://www.reddit.com/user/MPOE-PR 569090;1395274197;mircea_popescu;ah, no. 569091;1395274221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.63010999 = 2.5204 BTC [+] {2} 569092;1395274222;diametric;more popescu clones 569093;1395274236;Ademan;diametric: *PR clones 569094;1395274260;Ademan;wow, AM1 is actually recovering 569095;1395274300;ThickAsThieves;what does recovering mean? 569096;1395274322;Ademan;whoa 569097;1395274332;ThickAsThieves;whoa 569098;1395274379;ThickAsThieves;http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ --- Yes, now pays 2%, woot! 569099;1395274381;Ademan;well, it's been down to 0.4 iirc 569100;1395274383;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment 569101;1395274415;mircea_popescu;robertmcmillan ello. 569102;1395274450;ThickAsThieves;"Facebook Security Director Joins Bitcoin Startup Coinbase" 569103;1395274465;novusordo;neato 569104;1395274479;ThickAsThieves;from Wired? 569105;1395274501;mircea_popescu;robertmcmillan to speak you type in the little box on the bottom and hit enter 569106;1395274509;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves prolly. 569107;1395274514;kakobrekla;asciilifeform not sure how this correlates , explain ? 569108;1395274549;asciilifeform;kakobrekla: any kind of heavy machinery directly wired to a prediction market is, well... this. 569109;1395274578;ThickAsThieves;kako only suggested a conversion mechanism, no? 569110;1395274610;kakobrekla;correct 569111;1395274619;asciilifeform;not that it's a bad idea per se, just that the builder must be careful to avoid creating a situation where someone can lift out of his pockets by artificially steering the machine using a heavy bet 569112;1395274660;robertmcmillan;Hey Mircea. Sorry not used to this UI. How do I DM you? 569113;1395274682;ThickAsThieves;there's mor ethan one way to design such a thing for bitbet, so i could see a bad design being possible 569114;1395274703;kakobrekla;i see only one way 569115;1395274734;ThickAsThieves;well how do you handle payout in alts? 569116;1395274740;asciilifeform;roughly, fooling the system by betting in a particular way should always have -EV. 569117;1395274740;kakobrekla;but whatever, lets not get into that, someone should at least try to do it though 569118;1395274755;dexX7;Ademan: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438359.msg4816701#msg4816701 + data sheet "leaked" yesterday ... gen 3 is coming 569119;1395274761;asciilifeform;as soon as it has +EV under any conceivably-predictable circumstances, you're fucked 569120;1395274796;Ademan;dexX7: yeah, saw that, wasn't gen3 supposed to be out by this month though? 569121;1395274804;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think his idea was just "offer altcoin betting on bitbet, do alt<>btc conversion for your customers transparently" 569122;1395274820;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps i misunderstood then 569123;1395274831;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.0035 = 0.1085 BTC [+] 569124;1395274837;asciilifeform;my impression was that he suggested coupling a bitbet-like apparatus to a trading bot. 569125;1395274874;dexX7;Ademan: well, tape-out was scheduled for end of january, but there was no delievery date published to my knowledge 569126;1395274875;asciilifeform;Ademan: where is the RAM? 569127;1395274892;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00634444 = 0.1269 BTC [+] {2} 569128;1395274898;ThickAsThieves;or, you could just only use the content and outcome of bitbet, and handle your own escrow of alts 569129;1395274902;Ademan;asciilifeform: RAM for what? SHA256 doesn't need much memory 569130;1395274911;asciilifeform;wait i thought this was ltc 569131;1395274912;asciilifeform;nm 569132;1395274928;*;asciilifeform should probably goto bed 569133;1395274965;dexX7;Ademan: additionally there are some who believe there was already a test run with the new chips and a reseller already promoted an am gen3 based miner 569134;1395274974;kakobrekla;the money flow nao is user->bbet->user, to implement alt you do it user->service->bbet->service->user 569135;1395274984;kakobrekla;where service is a proxy via exchange 569136;1395275023;Ademan;dexX7: I thought I read an update that stated Q1 back in december 569137;1395275039;ThickAsThieves;problem is you dont wanna convert it twice 569138;1395275048;dexX7;that was probably related to the tape out in january 569139;1395275048;novusordo;one of AM's previous resellers posted something about a new miner, with specs 569140;1395275054;benderp;robertmcmillan: welcome 569141;1395275060;dexX7;yea rockxie or so 569142;1395275063;novusordo;yup 569143;1395275070;deadweasel;also, why support alts? 569144;1395275081;kakobrekla;yes well i dont want to do the dishes 569145;1395275086;deadweasel;bingo 569146;1395275095;ThickAsThieves;many reasons deadweasel 569147;1395275101;dexX7;alts are great as testbed 569148;1395275108;ThickAsThieves;the easiest being, they exist and always will 569149;1395275125;ThickAsThieves;best not to pretend otherwise 569150;1395275126;deadweasel;and the admin work of shuffling them around is absurd 569151;1395275130;Ademan;ideally you'd accept every payment option possible to maximize your potential customers, really 569152;1395275148;deadweasel;shells, do you accept my shells? 569153;1395275164;ThickAsThieves;send them to my cryptsy wallet 569154;1395275167;novusordo;pls take my cryptoshekels 569155;1395275169;kakobrekla;yes, flapcoin will save bbet like bitcoin saved overstock 569156;1395275180;deadweasel;i didn't say shares, tat 569157;1395275181;dexX7;unrelated: http://xkcd.com/now awesome :D 569158;1395275244;Ademan;deadweasel: well show me the shell/BTC exchange so I can convert them to something useful for me and sure! 569159;1395275271;deadweasel;mtgox.com 569160;1395275297;novusordo;oh cool let me just deposit my shells aaaaaand it's gone 569161;1395275324;deadweasel;novusordo: you should start cryptoshekels. 569162;1395275334;deadweasel;give it away to your temple friends 569163;1395275341;Orion__;hello everyone 569164;1395275350;novusordo;wouldn't be too difficult 569165;1395275357;Orion__;i have a tiny little problem and i'm in need of an expert 569166;1395275368;deadweasel;stackexchange.com 569167;1395275371;benkay;what's going on Orion__? 569168;1395275373;mircea_popescu;Orion__ hi 569169;1395275376;novusordo;seems like everyone and their mother has a personal altcoin now 569170;1395275384;mircea_popescu;novusordo momcoin. not a bad idea 569171;1395275384;deadweasel;unfortunately so. 569172;1395275395;novusordo;so why not me too? 569173;1395275412;deadweasel;that is the question 569174;1395275428;ThickAsThieves;well Altcoin renders most altcoins worthless 569175;1395275437;novusordo;i'll create momcoin under a different pseudonym, and give it slightly different properties than cryptoshekels 569176;1395275444;Ademan;git clone https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin && cd bitcoin && find -iname '*.h' -print0 -o -iname '*.cpp' -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i 's/[Bb]itcoin/CryptoShekels/g' 569177;1395275449;novusordo;so that i can pump both at the same time 569178;1395275519;mircea_popescu;novusordo there are people who consider themselves into various technical fields, such as buildingh 569179;1395275531;mircea_popescu;who go to specialised stores and buy tools on the principle that the tools are useful, and so why not buy some tools. 569180;1395275563;Ademan;novusordo: and I'll create MILFcoin to compete with momcoin 569181;1395275574;mircea_popescu;then milpcoin 569182;1395275577;mircea_popescu;miltfcoin 569183;1395275644;novusordo;Ademan: i see you're an altcoin design pro 569184;1395275669;benkay;Ademan: you missed the secret sauce with that one-liner. 569185;1395275740;Ademan;lol 569186;1395275763;benkay;mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo: blog updated. look, ma! no bootstrap! 569187;1395275777;dexX7;what was your blog again, benkay? 569188;1395275788;benkay;although now the linespacing issue with footnotes is just that much more apparent. 569189;1395275791;benkay;http://cascadianhacker.com 569190;1395275794;dexX7;ah ty 569191;1395275809;mircea_popescu;lol i guess so 569192;1395275834;dexX7;kinda minimal design approach hehe 569193;1395275848;benkay;hue hue hue 569194;1395275903;mircea_popescu;anyone kept a copy of the s.dice contract ? 569195;1395275946;dexX7;shouldn't be one on mpex? 569196;1395275992;benkay;http://web.archive.org/web/20130502173747/http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.DICE 569197;1395275992;ozbot;S.DICE last 5@0.00311776 569198;1395276034;benkay;mircea_popescu: may i post a copy of the s.dice contract on my blog? 569199;1395276069;mircea_popescu;go ahead if you have it 569200;1395276105;mircea_popescu;robertmcmillan ^ there's your link 569201;1395276207;dexX7;ic. weired 569202;1395276530;dexX7;nice, archive.org also archived the prospectus pdfs etc. 569203;1395276688;benkay;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_the-satoshi-dice-contract.html 569204;1395276688;ozbot;The Satoshi Dice Contract 569205;1395276844;benkay;bonus side effect of ripping out the css and js from my site is how much more snappy it is. 569206;1395276856;benkay;not even gzipping, i'll bet. 569207;1395276922;mircea_popescu;aha. 569208;1395277210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.0008149 = 10.6752 BTC [+] {2} 569209;1395277378;nubbins`;groan 569210;1395277384;nubbins`;you guys 569211;1395277395;nubbins`;it's like a competition to see whose website can look the shittiest 569212;1395277431;decimation;the irony of all this ukrainian nazi talk is that germans were in ukraine for a long time - they were forcibly resettled by Stalin http://www.geocurrents.info/place/russia-ukraine-and-caucasus/the-tragic-saga-of-the-volga-germans 569213;1395277454;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 152 @ 0.0034 = 0.5168 BTC [-] {3} 569214;1395277811;decimation;here's a link specific to ukraine http://www.lnu.edu.ua/personal/mdlviv/roboty/grmminor.html 569215;1395277942;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6200001 BTC [-] 569216;1395277982;decimation;In 1897, there lived 345 000 Germans in Ukraine, that was 4,2 % of the population. In 1911, there were 419 000 Germans. ... In spite of it, Germans played an important part in the Ukrainian culture life. Until 1914 many professors at Ukrainian universities were Germans. 569217;1395278151;SatoshiJack;Looking for players to test satoshijack.com (Multi-Player Blackjack) No client. Just Browser/HTML5 569218;1395278258;Ademan;"our custom JS exploit installs our malware for you!" 569219;1395278308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05509978 = 0.1102 BTC [+] 569220;1395278847;diametric;hah... 569221;1395279061;antephialtic;what happened to S.DICE ? 569222;1395279076;Ademan;antephialtic: the SEC? 569223;1395279099;antephialtic;if MP thinks he's not breaking any laws, why would he delist it? 569224;1395279155;Ademan;He can afford a lawyer, maybe his lawyer informed him otherwise :-p 569225;1395279215;mircea_popescu;antephialtic it was delisted like a year ago 569226;1395279222;moiety;i sreepy, good mew all, whatever your timezone! 569227;1395279244;antephialtic;ah, nevermind then 569228;1395279274;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: do you find it curious that they were willing to accept BTC addresses as identification? 569229;1395279278;mircea_popescu;guy said he sold it out. 569230;1395279288;mircea_popescu;who ? satoshidice ?! 569231;1395279291;mircea_popescu;that's how it works. 569232;1395279292;antephialtic;no SEC 569233;1395279336;mircea_popescu;sec what ? 569234;1395279379;antephialtic;the SEC asked you to identify MPEx shareholders of S.DICE, and was willing to accept Name and address OR btc address 569235;1395279379;mircea_popescu;you know, just because i ask for x y z doesn't automatically mean i consider all of these "identification" 569236;1395279384;BCB;SEC has a blockchain parser with you names next to all the addresses. 569237;1395279409;antephialtic;makes you wonder just how far along they are on deanonymization 569238;1395279438;mircea_popescu;so far they have problems spelling their domain name and following their own regulation. 569239;1395279448;diametric;anyone have a particular cheap 5v buck converter module on ebay they've had not burn their homes down? 569240;1395279452;diametric;wait wrong channel. 569241;1395279454;diametric;though still applies. 569242;1395279481;Ademan;diametric: there's a buck converter that's intended to be a drop in for the 7805 actually, it's a bit pricey though 569243;1395279483;antephialtic;perhaps the SEC is inept, but there are other agencies in the US government that contract services from non-inept firms to do their dirty work 569244;1395279516;antephialtic;and the bumpkins at the SEC may have been given access to such a tool built by such a contractor. 569245;1395279519;diametric;Ademan: really? thats interesting, link? 569246;1395279526;mircea_popescu;antephialtic yeah, some dude was in chan last month. 569247;1395279529;Ademan;like, $10 pricey, if you want them for prototyping and don't summon too much blue smoke they're probably useful though 569248;1395279583;diametric;I'm just curious, the easiest ones I've seen have been the ti simpler switcher ones, but they're not at all a dropin for a 7805 569249;1395279589;antephialtic;mircea_popescu: let this be a lesson (not to you, but to us) on the importance of using techniques such as merge avoidance, coinjoin & coinswap. 569250;1395279593;[\];mircea_popescu 569251;1395279597;*;mircea_popescu shrugs 569252;1395279602;[\];why you gotta be harassing the nice sec lady? 569253;1395279605;BCB;antephialtic, have you viewed any of the SEC's workproduct pretaining to the pirateat40 case? It's pretty impressive 569254;1395279616;Ademan;"nice" 569255;1395279617;mircea_popescu;[\\\] well she wanted to be friends. 569256;1395279627;diametric;should have said tits or gtfo 569257;1395279627;mircea_popescu;you wanna be friends with me you gotta perform. 569258;1395279631;[\];mircea_popescu: I forgot you don't play well in the sandbox. 569259;1395279665;BCB;That would be sexual harrassment 569260;1395279666;asciilifeform;sec, deanonymization << meta-nsa has patent, will be displeased 569261;1395279668;antephialtic;BCB: no, but I'm going to have a look 569262;1395279694;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they actually patent the secret shit too ? 569263;1395279700;BCB;antephialtic, I'll dig up a link for you. 569264;1395279710;antephialtic;BCB: found it on scribd already 569265;1395279717;antephialtic;BCB: http://www.scribd.com/doc/210845205/SEC-vs-pirateat40-2 569266;1395279718;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: usa has an ancient legal device called 'secret patent' 569267;1395279727;mircea_popescu;i didn't know they still bothered 569268;1395279744;Ademan;diametric: you're not in ##electronics ? Anyways http://www.ttiinc.com/object/Murata-Power-High-Efficiency-Switching-Regulators-LM78xx-Pinouts.html actually *isn't* the one I was thinking of but it's the right idea 569269;1395279757;BCB;antephialtic, that is the motion for summary judgement 569270;1395279762;diametric;Ademan: i should join that channel, thanks. 569271;1395279788;asciilifeform;diametric: what v to what v ? 569272;1395279788;mircea_popescu;BCB what was so impressive about said "workproduct" ? 569273;1395279792;[\];By the end of fiscal year 1991, the number of patent secrecy orders stood at 6,193. Many such orders were imposed on individuals and organizations working without government support. This number shrank for each fiscal year thereafter, until 2002. Since 2002, the number of secrecy orders has grown, with 5,002 secrecy orders in effect at the end of fiscal year 2007. 569274;1395279793;antephialtic;BCB: you have a link to the original complaint? 569275;1395279828;BCB;antephialtic, check this out: https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F27cadnJ.png&t=538&c=DOo6UCxJ5p8-eg 569276;1395279829;diametric;asciilifeform: realistically I'll be using it for 24V -> 5V, and something around 10-15W without any active cooling 569277;1395279842;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: getting your patent 'secreted' was once the ultimate crackpot 'street cred' (e.g. flanagan and 'neurophone') 569278;1395279847;BCB;antephialtic, here is the full history of documents: http://ia800904.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.txed.146063/gov.uscourts.txed.146063.docket.html 569279;1395279855;BCB;these guys don't fuck around 569280;1395279864;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i hope they did at least a dozen troll secretions/year 569281;1395279873;mircea_popescu;basic opsec anyway. 569282;1395279894;asciilifeform;afaik it's only ever done to zap potential competition of 'favorite son' dod contractors. 569283;1395279896;antephialtic;BCB: not bad 569284;1395279939;BCB;antephialtic, pretty impressive. 569285;1395279945;BCB;talk about following the money 569286;1395279946;asciilifeform;sha1 hash? wonder if those are legally binding 569287;1395279986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kinda cool that bitcoin is immune. 569288;1395280122;asciilifeform;diametric: you might be able to get away with a re-purposed car->usb converter 569289;1395280139;asciilifeform;for the voltage buck 569290;1395280153;asciilifeform;barbaric, but you can get them by the dozen 569291;1395280157;diametric;yeah 569292;1395280226;asciilifeform;make sure it actually pisses out 5v before connecting anything valuable... 569293;1395280324;novusordo;i'm trying to figure out how to power my raspberry pi on 5V to send up in a balloon soon 569294;1395280368;*;novusordo looks at car->usb converter on corner of desk 569295;1395280992;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.0034 = 0.1462 BTC [+] 569296;1395281614;mircea_popescu;just add a bunch of cells neh ? 569297;1395281702;mircea_popescu;get 6 zinc-air together you have about 3 ampere-hour in there. 569298;1395281741;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'pi' needs 5.0v within 5%, if i recall 569299;1395281746;asciilifeform;hence his question about vregs. 569300;1395281765;mircea_popescu;to a large degree buttons are small regulating neh ? 569301;1395281784;asciilifeform;if only. 569302;1395281807;mircea_popescu;can't you get models taht are essentially draw-driven ? 569303;1395281814;asciilifeform;which is to say, they are, in the sense that a li cell that's been dead for decades will sometimes measure 3.0 569304;1395281817;asciilifeform;when disconnected 569305;1395281826;mircea_popescu;ie, they discharge at a given rate, you can alter their actual voltage by the resistence ? 569306;1395281845;asciilifeform;you can - this is called 'divider' - but it throws away energy 569307;1395281851;mircea_popescu;well yeah 569308;1395281867;mircea_popescu;but 6 x .9 = 5.4 569309;1395281871;asciilifeform;'buck converter' is more efficient, in that it works by letting a cap charge to the desired voltage and then empty into another 569310;1395281873;mircea_popescu;you're only throwing away like .2 or sometyhing 569311;1395281893;asciilifeform;voltage dividers also have a nasty habit of non-linearity over current draw 569312;1395281895;mircea_popescu;or conversely 4 x 1.3 is just about 5.x 569313;1395281897;asciilifeform;work it out on napkin 569314;1395281924;asciilifeform;hence people buy 'regulators' - e.g. the ubiquitous 7805 569315;1395281950;asciilifeform;or, the slightly more determined, buy/build 'dc-dc' converters, of the kind described previously. 569316;1395282036;asciilifeform;http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/imgele/voldiv.gif 569317;1395282047;asciilifeform;no need for napkin! 569318;1395282060;mircea_popescu;the internet saves paper. 569319;1395282064;asciilifeform;sure does. 569320;1395282294;antephialtic;mp: you are famous http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-19/gambling-website-s-bitcoin-denominated-stock-draws-sec-inquiry.html 569321;1395282332;antephialtic;think the SEC is going to learn about the Streisand Effect 569322;1395282333;mircea_popescu;was linked afore 569323;1395282353;mircea_popescu;uh, whatdid they try to delete ? 569324;1395282367;asciilifeform;http://www.intechopen.com/source/html/39326/media/image14_w.jpg 569325;1395282436;antephialtic;asciilifeform: when can I buy a cardano? 569326;1395282497;asciilifeform;antephialtic: there is to be a cardano at mp's party. if you really can't wait, you can come and buy that one. 569327;1395282508;asciilifeform;why the hurry? 569328;1395282575;antephialtic;I was recently looking into buying a hardware device for GPG signing and everything on the market looks pretty clunky. I stumbled onto the Cardano, and it seemed pretty well suited to my use case 569329;1395282603;asciilifeform;antephialtic: be so kind as to briefly describe your use case - for my enlightenment 569330;1395282645;antephialtic;have multiple machines that I want to sign emails from, some of which are not fully in my control (e.g. workstation owned by employer) 569331;1395282655;mircea_popescu;sounds like a winner. 569332;1395282657;asciilifeform;aha 569333;1395282670;asciilifeform;this is certainly one of the intended use scenarios, yes. 569334;1395282671;mircea_popescu;antephialtic ideally should be available to order late april. 569335;1395282705;antephialtic;cool, do you have any idea what the pricing will be like? 569336;1395282828;asciilifeform;mp proposed a tentative price at one point, but that was some time ago 569337;1395282905;asciilifeform;intent is for the product to be priced competitively vs. the state-of-the-art alternative (i.e. the traditional '90s laptop with linux/gpg in ROM) 569338;1395282943;asciilifeform;that is, the contrivance i assume everyone here is presently using in lieu of a cardano 569339;1395283018;asciilifeform;do not neglect to take into account what the substitute costs (incl. one's time) 569340;1395283044;asciilifeform;the old saw, 'xxxx is free if yer time has no value' 569341;1395283072;antephialtic;indeed. as long as the price is not obscene, I am willing to pay for convenience without sacrificing security. 569342;1395283155;diametric;It saddens me my get in wot is not of one generated with a cardano. 569343;1395283160;diametric;key* 569344;1395283176;asciilifeform;diametric: you do know that one can change keys in wot 569345;1395283196;asciilifeform;diametric: assuming, naturally, control of the previous key 569346;1395283197;diametric;asciilifeform: I swore you had told me you couldn't before. 569347;1395283208;asciilifeform;you can. it was buggy formerly 569348;1395283208;diametric;I must have misheard you 569349;1395283209;asciilifeform;and took ages 569350;1395283220;asciilifeform;i did mention that i tried and it croaked 569351;1395283229;asciilifeform;but two weeks later, there it was 569352;1395283233;mircea_popescu;antephialtic price won't be obscene 569353;1395283279;asciilifeform;diametric: afaik the only well-known, interesting place where key can never be changed is mpex 569354;1395283303;mircea_popescu;and even there... reg new key, push assets, good to go. 569355;1395283330;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unless i'm mistaken, this counts as buying a new subscription 569356;1395283338;mircea_popescu;aye 569357;1395283390;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i like to imagine that it covers the cost of a girl etching the new key in a granite plinth 569358;1395283414;mircea_popescu;lol if it weren't a security issue i suppose i could make rings for people 569359;1395283414;asciilifeform;and tossing the old one in the reactor 569360;1395283419;mircea_popescu;like the superbowl 569361;1395283471;mircea_popescu;"Make no mistake that the US gov't already knows the real identity and location of MP." 569362;1395283506;mircea_popescu;mah real identitty o noes 569363;1395283536;diametric;I like the ones where you're not actually a person, but a group of individuals pretending to be a guy named Mircea Popescu 569364;1395283548;novusordo;didn't know about the cardano, interesting 569365;1395283550;diametric;and of course the one where everyone in this channel is you. 569366;1395283556;asciilifeform;bourbaki! 569367;1395283600;antephialtic;spoiler alert: MP = Satoshi Nakamoto 569368;1395283606;mircea_popescu;diametric that is actually pretty close to the truth of the matter. 569369;1395283624;mircea_popescu;various people doing my research for me, feeding me links and so on 569370;1395283654;mircea_popescu;actually come to think of it... i'm like kirk, if the bridge bunnies were actually useful 569371;1395283661;mircea_popescu;rather than telegenic 569372;1395283676;antephialtic;do you actually write the tweets? 569373;1395283691;mircea_popescu;well some are automated reposts from trilema 569374;1395283817;antephialtic;if you mind me asking, when did you first hear about BTC? 569375;1395283859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.00350002 = 0.1645 BTC [+] 569376;1395283887;mircea_popescu;early 2011. 569377;1395284048;antephialtic;well, good luck with the SEC business. I suspect it will bring you a lot of attention, releasing those emails has definitely already made some waves. 569378;1395284084;Duffer1;what's the plan if they attempt subpeona? 569379;1395284186;Mats_cd03;Can "I am Satoshi Nakamoto" be a thing? 569380;1395284195;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe 569381;1395284195;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00079813 / 0.00080834 / 0.00081619 (2123197 shares, 1,716.28 BTC), 7D: 0.00079084 / 0.00081827 / 0.00089749 (8082472 shares, 6,613.68 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00085022 / 0.0008982 (30740127 shares, 26,136.16 BTC) 569382;1395284205;thestringpuller;!last m s.mpoe 569383;1395284205;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.0008149 BTC [+] 569384;1395284206;Mats_cd03;A la Fight Club 569385;1395284219;thestringpuller;lol 569386;1395284259;antephialtic;I would actually buy the bitcoin glasses from the newsweek cover 569387;1395284303;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 it doth say there, mpex does comply with legal requests. 569388;1395284318;mircea_popescu;basically, there's two avenues open. you can make a legal request, or you can make a legal request. 569389;1395284333;mircea_popescu;to make a friendly request you gotta be friends. the path ot becoming friends is detailed. 569390;1395284347;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00366979 = 0.9174 BTC [+] {9} 569391;1395284349;mircea_popescu;to make a legal request you gotta make that legal request. i wouldn't presume to teach teh sec how to do that. 569392;1395284372;antephialtic;MP: it would have been way cooler if they had joined the WOT :-( 569393;1395284374;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 i don't see why not. i thought it already is, but more like "he is satoshi nakamoto" 569394;1395284381;mircea_popescu;antephialtic they probably will. 569395;1395284403;thestringpuller;WoT is open source no? 569396;1395284409;mircea_popescu;sure 569397;1395284411;thestringpuller;or at least nanotube 's gribble is 569398;1395284418;mircea_popescu;the two are distinct. 569399;1395284449;mircea_popescu;heh i got confused earlier. " you can make a friendly request, or you can make a legal request" is what i meant 569400;1395284462;benkay;no no it was much better the first way 569401;1395284498;antephialtic;besides, I don't think MP is the one in trouble here. Voorhees, on the other hand ... 569402;1395284506;mircea_popescu;anyway, i dunno why people are so touchy really. 569403;1395284515;mircea_popescu;but i do imagine it makes administerting justice in the us fucking impossible. 569404;1395284527;mircea_popescu;i dunno how cops can manage in that sort of poisonous atmosphere 569405;1395284539;thestringpuller;lol watch an episode of cops 569406;1395284559;Mats_cd03;if someone makes t shirts with "i am satoshi nakamoto" with a v for vendetta theme or ghost in the shell, i will be your first customer 569407;1395284568;antephialtic;police treatment in the US is very different depending on race and socioeconomic status 569408;1395284573;mircea_popescu;;;later tell nubbins` ^ 569409;1395284575;gribble;The operation succeeded. 569410;1395284591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 700 @ 0.00047503 = 0.3325 BTC [+] {4} 569411;1395284592;antephialtic;if you are a white guy it is pretty much cheat mode 569412;1395284605;Mats_cd03;cops is a theatrical production 569413;1395284605;diametric;antephialtic: if you're upper middle class white guy 569414;1395284608;antephialtic;if you are black/hispanic you get hassled, constantly 569415;1395284625;diametric;poor white guys only fare a little bit better 569416;1395284631;antephialtic;agreed. 569417;1395284633;asciilifeform;people have this odd concept that encounters with police take place exclusively in traffic 569418;1395284668;thestringpuller;Mats_cd03: if you sell 6 shirts I'll do it 569419;1395284669;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well cause the us made the mistake of giving the cops squad cars 569420;1395284677;mircea_popescu;so now they won't ever get out of them if they can help it 569421;1395284689;asciilifeform;if they're 'the bullet with your name on it, not the shrapnel addressed 'to occupant'' - doesn't matter if you're black, white, martian 569422;1395284745;mircea_popescu;wait what ? 569423;1395284747;joecool;mircea_popescu: the bigger ones moved up to SUVs. more room 569424;1395284775;mircea_popescu;heh 569425;1395284801;benkay;Mats_cd03: google "i am satoshi nakamoto" 569426;1395284805;antephialtic;actually I have seen quite a few urban cops on segways. 569427;1395284820;mircea_popescu;jesus why is everyone so opposed to walking 569428;1395284822;thestringpuller;;;google site: trilema.com mpex tech stuff 569429;1395284822;antephialtic;like a less intimidating version of robocop 569430;1395284822;gribble;MPEx tech stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/mpex-tech-stuff>; MPEx security breach pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/mpex-security-breach>; MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/mpex/> 569431;1395284823;mircea_popescu;walking is great! 569432;1395284826;asciilifeform;if i recall, there was a fed. gov grant for them to buy the machines 569433;1395284833;asciilifeform;accounted for a good fraction of the net sales 569434;1395284844;antephialtic;Dean Kamen must have had a friend in the DoJ 569435;1395284868;asciilifeform;'poetic justice' - the idiot who bought segway corp. ended up driving his... off a cliff. 569436;1395284880;dexX7;says a guy who rides a horse in the desert ;) 569437;1395284891;asciilifeform;http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39377851/ns/world_news-europe/t/segway-company-owner-rides-scooter-cliff-dies/ 569438;1395284891;ozbot;Segway company owner rides scooter off cliff - World news - Europe | NBC News 569439;1395284913;asciilifeform;last words, 'noooooooo....' 569440;1395284914;mircea_popescu;hahaha i did not know that 569441;1395284917;mircea_popescu;weird. wild. 569442;1395284925;joecool;mircea_popescu: true story, I was actually stopped by a cop multiple times one day because I decided to walk to the next town instead of driving one day, he damanded to know my destination and I refused to provide him with it. 569443;1395284965;joecool;mircea_popescu: walking in the US is suspicious behavior 569444;1395284971;novusordo;\ 569445;1395284975;mircea_popescu;nutty 569446;1395284979;antephialtic;In many parts of the US, especially the south, townships are designed such that walking is impractical and everyone must have a car 569447;1395284984;antephialtic;to keep the homeless away 569448;1395284991;novusordo;damnit, window focus 569449;1395285001;asciilifeform;many years ago, as a freshly graduated kid, i worked in a dreadful salt mine where one of the products was a military bot based on a segway with the top part sawn off. 569450;1395285006;asciilifeform;worked about as well as you'd expect 569451;1395285010;asciilifeform;100% gov. funded 569452;1395285020;asciilifeform;they even had the audacity to... solicit donations from the public! 569453;1395285026;MisterE;joecool: living in the US is suspicious behavior 569454;1395285030;asciilifeform;'help our beloved warriors in iraq' 569455;1395285049;joecool;MisterE: of course, though I intend to eventually move out 569456;1395285051;MisterE;lol asciilifeform 569457;1395285063;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did it produce ? 569458;1395285065;MisterE;joecool: if you can work remotely don't hesitate 569459;1395285076;MisterE;I left the US 8-years ago and never looked back best thing I ever did 569460;1395285077;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not afaik 569461;1395285104;joecool;MisterE: you're the second one who has told me that now 569462;1395285106;mircea_popescu;so where'you now ? 569463;1395285113;MisterE;mircea_popescu: no just a few billion thrown at a contractor, its a jobs program 569464;1395285115;MisterE;Asia 569465;1395285128;MisterE;joecool: I might have told you once in the past heh 569466;1395285145;MisterE;I recommend everyone with a head on their shoulders gtfo of US now 569467;1395285148;joecool;MisterE: did you own a VPN company for awhile? 569468;1395285156;MisterE;come live here where cost of living is so low 569469;1395285162;MisterE;no not me 569470;1395285181;MisterE;you can have western standard of living for a few hudred USD /month 569471;1395285197;antephialtic;MisterE: SE Asia? 569472;1395285198;antephialtic;Thailand is quite cheap, yes. Lots of security people there as well 569473;1395285206;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "This means that the physical machine which hosts the trading engine is not accessible directlyii from the Internet." <<< so if i were to vpn a machine with a private gpg key and send data over the wire (via some computer) I would never have to worry about the keyring being compromised? Or is the most effective way to sign/encrypt/decrypt/verify data on an airgapped machine then marshall it over v 569474;1395285208;MisterE;I was in land use planning and commercial development permitting 569475;1395285223;mircea_popescu;http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-03-19/gambling-website-s-bitcoin-denominated-stock-draws-sec-inquiry 569476;1395285228;MisterE;antephialtic: yes my 'home base' is Bangkok 569477;1395285231;mircea_popescu;check out businessweek. an entire article, no links. 569478;1395285238;MisterE;lol 569479;1395285248;MisterE;such crap journalism these days 569480;1395285252;antephialtic;MisterE: have you ever been to Vang Vieng, Laos? 569481;1395285264;MisterE;I'm working on an idea to address that mircea_popescu 569482;1395285269;antephialtic;they don't wanna give mpex any pagerank 569483;1395285273;mircea_popescu;"SatoshiDice listed shares on MPEx in August 2012, according to an MPEx-affiliated website." 569484;1395285282;mircea_popescu;"SatoshiDice.com, according to a copy of the request posted on the website trilema.com." 569485;1395285344;mircea_popescu;basically, copy/pasted the bloomberg story. 569486;1395285353;MisterE;antephialtic: thats how they pronounce it but proper spelling is Vientiane, I have been there several times for visas but can't say I enjoy the place 569487;1395285367;antephialtic;Vientaine is actually a different city 569488;1395285373;MisterE;oh? 569489;1395285394;antephialtic;Vang Vieng is a party location. Went there when I was in college with a few friends. It's like heaven on earth 569490;1395285401;MisterE;I haven't travelled much in Laos there's not really much there heh 569491;1395285413;MisterE;oh I believe that, Laos can be lawless 569492;1395285425;MisterE;thats where TPB guys are chilling out 569493;1395285447;antephialtic;Anyone here in Japan? 569494;1395285466;joecool;mircea_popescu: waiting for newsweek's version 569495;1395285469;joecool;:D 569496;1395285488;antephialtic;er... newsweak 569497;1395285496;MisterE;also lots of drug gangs and chances for big problems if you wanter off the well worn path without a guide /friend in Laos 569498;1395285523;MisterE;It would be akin to walking around Can Cun back up away from the beach where the narco mansions are 569499;1395285529;mircea_popescu;joecool well, maybe they find some old guy named mircea popescu somewhere close to burbank. 569500;1395285532;MisterE;Mexico 569501;1395285532;antephialtic;yeah, probably not a good idea 569502;1395285558;MisterE;not for a fat whitey like me :) 569503;1395285567;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00374477 = 0.749 BTC [+] {5} 569504;1395285568;dexX7;spoiler: wired.com posts a story on sd + sec, too 569505;1395285571;antephialtic;off topic, but it appears MH370 has been found 569506;1395285573;joecool;mircea_popescu: if you look hard enough you can find any name in the US, someone named their kid Adolf Hitler a couple towns over 569507;1395285586;mircea_popescu;antephialtic where was it ? 569508;1395285598;mircea_popescu;"couch cushions" 569509;1395285600;antephialtic;"Australia Satellite Imagery Locates Two Objects That Look Like Parts of An Aircraft" 569510;1395285611;antephialtic;"Australia Prime Minister Says Search Aircraft Dispatched to Area, Expected to Arrive Soon" 569511;1395285628;mircea_popescu;Courtney Love claims she has 'found' missing Malays 569512;1395285632;antephialtic;no further info. 569513;1395285642;MisterE;WTF really? 569514;1395285651;jcpham;In her twat? 569515;1395285652;antephialtic;this is the WSJ. guessing somewhere in the ocean, however 569516;1395285653;MisterE;I was sure aliens snatched it out of the air :) 569517;1395285665;jcpham;Speaking of snatch 569518;1395285675;MisterE;^ :D 569519;1395285682;MisterE;.bait 569520;1395285683;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6j21wU9Ce1rz4mcdo1_500.jpg 569521;1395285757;antephialtic;http://cdn29.elitedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/missing-plane-tweet-elite-daily.jpg 569522;1395285768;antephialtic;fucking supermarket tabloids 569523;1395285872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00378979 = 0.1516 BTC [+] {2} 569524;1395286238;Duffer1;http://www.coindesk.com/canadian-bitcoin-exchange-lose-100000-in-attack/ 569525;1395286245;dexX7;businessweek also copy pasted "SatochiDice" 569526;1395286269;Duffer1;You gotta read how they compromised the exchange 569527;1395286302;asciilifeform;it's this crap - or, 'shall be delivered.' you are your key. 569528;1395286307;asciilifeform;gotta pick. 569529;1395286311;mircea_popescu;dexX7 funny huh 569530;1395286351;dexX7;"Using only the owner’s name, the thief was allegedly able to ..." wow 569531;1395286385;Duffer1;lmao 569532;1395286394;asciilifeform;'At no point during the nearly two-hour-long conversation was the caller asked to verify his identity.' << by coughing up a magic number known to every spammer, aha right 569533;1395286440;mircea_popescu;"Rogers Data Centres told the Citizen that it is cooperating with the investigation, but that the security issue is not indicative of larger problems at its company." 569534;1395286441;mircea_popescu;derp 569535;1395286488;asciilifeform;at this point, these folks can be safely considered as lowered into goxerasty 569536;1395286500;asciilifeform;anyone who voluntarily does business with them is chumpatron fuel 569537;1395286502;mircea_popescu;now this is what i would like to see. 569538;1395286526;mircea_popescu;any hoster that does this, fined 100 btc. fixed flat fee. 569539;1395286543;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00359 = 0.1149 BTC [-] {4} 569540;1395286546;mircea_popescu;so everyone knows not to keep over 100 btc in hot wallets, and so every hoster has a serious incentive to do security. 569541;1395286548;asciilifeform;by all rights, 'fined' - by the users - 100% of their revenue 569542;1395286552;mircea_popescu;nah. 569543;1395286562;mircea_popescu;flat fee. you give away a server ? that'll be 100 btc. 569544;1395286566;mircea_popescu;story ends there. 569545;1395286568;dexX7;http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/Ottawa+bitcoin+exchange+defrauded+cyber+currency/9628321/story.html this is better. "Rogers said it has offered Canadian Bitcoins a “credit” as a result of the situation. Grant said the credit was nowhere near sufficient to cover the company’s loss and as a result his firm is contemplating legal action." 569546;1395286568;ozbot;Ottawa bitcoin exchange defrauded of $100,000 in cyber currency 569547;1395286613;asciilifeform;i can't really picture the local tyrant fining them. now, paying, on the other hand! 569548;1395286628;asciilifeform;'here's $100k. lose yer coin' 569549;1395286848;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62999992 BTC [+] 569550;1395287196;ThickAsThieves;can someone please kill off businessinsider 569551;1395287201;ThickAsThieves;fukn useless 569552;1395287731;bitcoinpete;asciilifeform: you're right, the cardano isn't the holy grail. but teleportation still is. i've edited the article accordingly. 569553;1395287771;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: link fixed, just deleted that last / and it fixed itself. and i thought you'd like the art bit. 569554;1395287837;bitcoinpete;from citizen: "Canadian Bitcoins is the latest bitcoin exchange to be successfully targeted by thieves. Japanese Mt. Gox was forced out of business last month after hackers successfully infiltrated the exchanges’ security and stole as much as $468 million US worth of bitcoin." karpeles is a hacker now? 569555;1395288130;mircea_popescu;the press. what do they know. 569556;1395288251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00081249 = 5.3624 BTC [-] {2} 569557;1395288522;joecool;the cardano seems ok if you can maintain physical security, it doesn't even try to stop an opportunistic attacker, i really don't see why it shouldn't have at least a simple auth system 569558;1395288769;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: so what's your internal debate on bitcoin for ccs? 569559;1395288786;mircea_popescu;huh ? 569560;1395288799;mircea_popescu;joecool but it does. you can destroy it. 569561;1395288848;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: 21:09:35mircea_popescu:the jury in my head is out on the entire topic of bitcoin-backed ccs 569562;1395288870;joecool;mircea_popescu: assuming i leave it out by accident to go take a shit or whatever, attacker can sign whatever he wants with it, i will know it happened later on when the signature counter is incremented but who knows what he'll have done by that time with my identity 569563;1395288906;mircea_popescu;joecool well so don't do that. 569564;1395288923;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete maybe it works out. 569565;1395289052;bitcoinpete;ah thought there might've been more there 569566;1395289072;mircea_popescu;notrly. 569567;1395289093;joecool;mircea_popescu: i figured you'd say as much, it does seem trivial though to echo a string into the device before key generation, have it set a default counter to 3, and require that same string to be passed to the device in order to activate signing function 569568;1395289116;joecool;mircea_popescu: when counter hits zero cannot sign anything, need to nuke and generate new keys 569569;1395289132;mircea_popescu;what if you accidentally leave the string in paste buffer or w/e 569570;1395289164;joecool;mircea_popescu: don't do that? 569571;1395289178;mircea_popescu;so you see my point. 569572;1395289214;mircea_popescu;device is designed to fight enemy not user. 569573;1395289215;joecool;mircea_popescu: except the secret is worthless without the token, if someone had that secret they'd still need physical possession of the device 569574;1395289246;joecool;ie. if you did leave your unlock key on a public computer it wouldn't matter unless the attacker also held your device 569575;1395289288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.05697271 = 0.6267 BTC [+] {4} 569576;1395289309;dexX7;bitcoinpete> from citizen: ... where's that from? labeling historical btc losses in current exchange rate is stupid fud 569577;1395289349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.057 = 0.342 BTC [+] 569578;1395289415;bitcoinpete;dexX7: from the article you linked, second page 569579;1395289452;bitcoinpete;like mp said… that's press for ya 569580;1395289471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.057 = 0.399 BTC [+] 569581;1395289490;dexX7;yea it's ridiculous 569582;1395289566;bitcoinpete;at least the canadian bitcoins guy had someone to blame, the flexcoin guy was just like "oops, what happened? peace up, a-town down" 569583;1395289614;joecool;ideally you'd be able to jam a pin in directly on the device to activate it but this increases cost and size substantially 569584;1395289624;joecool;but it's probably best to never sleep 569585;1395289637;novusordo;sleep is for the weak 569586;1395289715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05800501 = 0.116 BTC [+] {2} 569587;1395289716;mircea_popescu;joecool so what if someone carries a pin ? 569588;1395289776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.057501 = 0.115 BTC [-] 569589;1395289840;joecool;mircea_popescu: i meant a series of numbers not a sewing device 569590;1395289855;mircea_popescu;a 569591;1395289890;mircea_popescu;so put it in a safe when not in use. 569592;1395289915;joecool;mircea_popescu: that is not practical while traveling 569593;1395289958;mircea_popescu;why not ? 569594;1395289987;mircea_popescu;http://www.corporatetravelsafety.com/catalog/high-security-portable-briefcase-safe-p-959.html 569595;1395289988;ozbot;High Security Portable Briefcase Safe by Corporate Travel Safety (Free Shipping) - Travel Safes - Co 569596;1395290040;bitcoinpete;"Our Blockchain wallet passphrase was 10 alphanumeric upper and lowercase characters but was not as strong as it could have been, with some similarities to our passwords used on other apps. " http://www.fr33aid.com/1511/fr33-aid-bitcoins-stolen/ 569597;1395290091;joecool;mircea_popescu: bolt cutters to take it and shouldn't be too hard top open in in the right environment after 569598;1395290098;joecool;*to open 569599;1395290138;novusordo;carry lube and a ziplock bag 569600;1395290142;novusordo;store in anal cavity 569601;1395290169;mircea_popescu;joecool your usecase keeps shifting. 569602;1395290171;novusordo;might be inconvenient at times but one rarely gets robbed while relieving oneself 569603;1395290181;mircea_popescu;was this attack of opportunity while you take a shit 569604;1395290199;mircea_popescu;or is it someone with a fucking plasma cutter 569605;1395290232;joecool;heh, you're correct a briefcase safe will stop a casual attacker while I take a shit 569606;1395290254;mircea_popescu;anyway. ima be off for nao, so we can take shits in briefcases later :D 569607;1395290259;joecool;if it is missing while I am gone, I should be able to revoke the key in the amount of time it takes them to open it 569608;1395290264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00081333 = 5.368 BTC [+] 569609;1395290300;MisterE;another example of an entire "news" story without a single link: http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/here-s-how-nasa-thinks-society-will-collapse-20140318 569610;1395290311;MisterE;like they couldnt even likn to the study? 569611;1395290339;joecool;still doesn't mean I think it's a great idea to ship a product without a convenient simple auth system (easier than carrying around a heavy armored briefcase), but yeah ttyl :P 569612;1395290427;jcpham;please add no shitting in briefcases to topic 569613;1395290569;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 95 @ 0.00549999 = 0.5225 BTC [-] 569614;1395291850;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.0037 = 0.1554 BTC [-] 569615;1395292155;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.0037 = 0.1887 BTC [-] {2} 569616;1395292379;BingoBoingo;Such lol Cog continues to lulz https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5797428#msg5797428 569617;1395292582;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.0037 = 0.5735 BTC [-] 569618;1395292704;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0037 = 0.185 BTC [-] 569619;1395293314;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00081149 = 6.6542 BTC [-] 569620;1395293551;toffoo;first missed asicminer div today in over a year+ 569621;1395293974;benkay;;;later tell bitcoinpete hey frere if you need pronouns for me feel free to use my actual handle in the future 569622;1395293974;gribble;The operation succeeded. 569623;1395293989;benkay;;;later tell bitcoinpete or, you know, my name. 569624;1395293989;gribble;The operation succeeded. 569625;1395294412;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.093669 = 0.281 BTC [+] 569626;1395294429;Duffer1;is Goat around? whatever happened to his physical litecoins? 569627;1395294473;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.093669 = 0.6557 BTC [+] {3} 569628;1395294482;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu is it bitcoins pl. noun and Bitcoin proper? or Bitcoins and Bitcoin? 569629;1395294483;gribble;The operation succeeded. 569630;1395294498;benkay;BingoBoingo: is it bitcoins pl. noun and Bitcoin proper? or Bitcoins and Bitcoin? 569631;1395294530;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: I thought Smoothie had the physical litecoins 569632;1395294540;BingoBoingo;benkay: I'm still wrestling with that 569633;1395294549;Duffer1;he did, but Goat was going to do his own 569634;1395294570;BingoBoingo;I tend to thing Bitcoin the thing is proper, bitcoins the unit of the thing not proper 569635;1395294621;benkay;that's what i'm rolling with. 569636;1395294715;BingoBoingo;Reading the logs looks like I slept through the Journos 569637;1395294769;benkay;there wasn't much. 569638;1395294787;BingoBoingo;benkay: Like the new look 569639;1395294790;benkay;thanks 569640;1395294796;benkay;not quite there yet. 569641;1395294831;benkay;need to deploy some capital against the design to get it just right, but i've finally ripped out all the modern garbage. 569642;1395294837;benkay;nubbins` hates it, though. 569643;1395294851;BingoBoingo;Yeah, I killed my backgound image. Might make a more subdued version. 569644;1395294855;benkay;for good reason, too. while it's now free of the cruft, it lacks any actual aesthetic. 569645;1395294880;BingoBoingo;Eh, it has aesthetic benkay, the exact aesthetic the designers of the web wanted 569646;1395294896;benkay;(my colleagues would gasp in shock if they heard me opining about design) 569647;1395294909;BingoBoingo;lol 569648;1395294940;benkay;maybe not, though. i did a complete 180 on my personal image over the past four months as our firm has gained traction. 569649;1395294978;BingoBoingo;Well, things happen 569650;1395294984;benkay;went from 'scruffy *nix hacker' to 'well-groomed software shop operator and smug lisp weenie-cum-*nix-hacker'. 569651;1395295015;BingoBoingo;Maybe that is just the aging process 569652;1395295026;benkay;hush you 569653;1395295062;benkay;i have too much to do before i mature 569654;1395295062;BingoBoingo;Next step might be running open Genera in a VM as your primary operating system and depreciating the *nix things 569655;1395295075;benkay;oh if only i had the time 569656;1395295114;benkay;they probably won't allow me to make commits on the clock for much longer anyways. 569657;1395295146;BingoBoingo;Shit happens 569658;1395295194;benkay;maturation process etc. 569659;1395295588;BingoBoingo;Apparently I missed the discussion on US police 569660;1395295631;benkay;the current trend in behavior is to just toss your two cents in as you read through the logs, directed at the people making interesting comments 569661;1395295634;benkay;asynchrony! 569662;1395295748;benkay;linked 'counterparty selection' again today BingoBoingo. 569663;1395295754;BingoBoingo;;;later tell mircea_popescu For a few years now, Business Week has been a Bloomberg owned concern. Basically just pushing Bloomberg stories a bit shitter and a bit later. 569664;1395295755;gribble;The operation succeeded. 569665;1395295801;BingoBoingo;benkay: Nice. I'm rather glad I reposted that because the first instance never got any traction. 569666;1395295811;benkay;what's the rush, anyways. 569667;1395295830;BingoBoingo;Oh, there isn't much of one. 569668;1395295833;benkay;slashdot, hacker news, metafilter 569669;1395295840;benkay;here today, gone tomorrow. 569670;1395295864;benkay;"traction". silly-con valley horseshit, i say. 569671;1395295877;BingoBoingo;Eh, I might actually be the only person who likes the new Slashdot beta 569672;1395296044;benkay;old man 569673;1395296098;BingoBoingo;The OpenBSD saved by MP got roughly 15x the views the Counterparties link did. The two slashdots were a valuable experiment in seeing the crowd's view of Bitcoin as magic savior of geeks versus a functional tool for use. 569674;1395296114;BingoBoingo;I dunno that there could have been a better way to get that information. 569675;1395296125;benkay;first principles maybe? 569676;1395296145;BingoBoingo;A Priori has severe limitions 569677;1395296151;benkay;slashdot, though. 569678;1395296169;benkay;and slashdot ca. 2014 at that. 569679;1395296183;BingoBoingo;It's nice, its familiar, and I understand the culture 569680;1395296207;benkay;i worked for one of the perl greybeards who built and ran the place for a while 569681;1395296209;benkay;brilliant man 569682;1395296214;benkay;exceptional technical manager 569683;1395296217;BingoBoingo;The only REAL change in 2014 is now Google's the Big Bad 569684;1395296236;benkay;har 569685;1395296260;BingoBoingo;As opposed to Microsoft. 569686;1395296313;BingoBoingo;The big underlying theme its whole run though has been people hating an OS by a company primarily concerned with making cruddy dev tools 569687;1395296400;BingoBoingo;I seriously can't get over how much better your site looks Benkay 569688;1395296411;benkay;microsoft's dev tools are pretty good is the funny thing about that statement 569689;1395296435;benkay;their os is utter shite, but their dev tools make it possible for the averagely-intelligenced to participate in the big corporate software development dance. 569690;1395296441;benkay;thanks, man! 569691;1395296444;benkay;i know it sucked before. 569692;1395296450;benkay;i also knew it then. 569693;1395296468;BingoBoingo;Well, comfortable they can be. They tend to just shit crap though. 569694;1395296468;benkay;and i appreciate that you all let me fix it in my own time, with only the occasional gentle suggestions. 569695;1395296483;benkay;"gentle". 569696;1395296515;BingoBoingo;Eh, I think when I was out friday someone I gave less gentle design suggestions to was trying to hunt me down when I came back to the logs 569697;1395296534;benkay;oh? i must've missed this. 569698;1395296584;BingoBoingo;They suggested a link as an example of how I could make my site look "better" I pointed out the linked site should die in a tire fire. 569699;1395296594;BingoBoingo;Turns out it was a site they collaborated on 569700;1395296604;benkay;oh yeah the bitcoin podcast 569701;1395296620;BingoBoingo;Or someshit like that 569702;1395296654;BingoBoingo;I dunno really why people try to force information into audio or video without offering the same in text anyway. 569703;1395296684;benkay;teh horror: http://imgur.com/Xxhskor 569704;1395296692;benkay;mhm. 569705;1395296709;benkay;babydoll wanted me to watch some maddow thing about god i don't even remember 569706;1395296727;benkay;upshot was "honey, if there's no text, and it ain't comedy, i ain't interested." 569707;1395296752;benkay;implicit due to previous conversations is the notion that america doesn't produce worthwhile comedy. 569708;1395296793;chetty;the trend to video for everything is awful. people to lazy to write/read :( 569709;1395296804;BingoBoingo;Well, Bill Murray aligns himself with the Usurper regime from chicago 569710;1395296832;benkay;it's downright baffling, chetty. take, for instance, the podcast noted above. how much more work is it to do that thing than to just write out one's thoughts? 569711;1395296855;BingoBoingo;chetty: My objection to the video and podcasting is that when I digest information on my own time I want to do it in an aesthetic environment of my choice. 569712;1395296861;benkay;i suppose that presumes being able to put one's thoughts into coherent words instead of babbling into a microphone. 569713;1395296883;BingoBoingo;Also some stuff can't be digested well from audio. 569714;1395296891;chetty;I like podcasts sometimes, listen while doing other stuff but mostly I'd rather read 569715;1395296891;BingoBoingo;Like the Kritik 569716;1395296937;BingoBoingo;chetty: A big problem with bitcoin podcasts is the voices of the presenters in many cases, just weren't meant to be heard 569717;1395296984;chetty;haha now thats true, and video - well they want my eyes and my ears?? 569718;1395296999;BingoBoingo;Exactly 569719;1395297009;benkay;low information density to boot. 569720;1395297019;benkay;what's the wpm on a podcast? 569721;1395297021;benkay;a video? 569722;1395297023;BingoBoingo;There are reasons certain people get to be on TV and radio and others aren't 569723;1395297093;LordPutin;^shameful person 569724;1395297128;BingoBoingo;Traveling among more and less rural Mid 'Murican shitholes it becomes clear the difference between a TV news crew in Quincy Illinois versus one in St Louis Mo or Chicago 569725;1395297278;benkay;https://cryptocrypt.org/index.php?topic=3835.msg12577#msg12577 569726;1395297279;ozbot;[2014-03-19] Facebook security director Ryan McGeehan joins Coinbase 569727;1395297332;benkay;(twist: it's goat!) 569728;1395297340;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0037 = 0.37 BTC [-] 569729;1395297357;BingoBoingo;I kinda want to make an account there to read the derp, but... I know they's boot me the first time I leaked some derp and prevent me from enjoying more derp 569730;1395297477;benkay;you don't have to have an account to read 569731;1395297565;BingoBoingo;benkay: They have a lot of non-public subfora it seems 569732;1395297576;benkay;ah 569733;1395297586;benkay;that's as may be, but the link i posted is derpy as hell on its own. 569734;1395297621;BingoBoingo;Yeah 569735;1395297665;BingoBoingo;Apparently to see the cool parts of the Derp though, you have to be vouched for and stuff. Like its some sort of Heavy Derp cartel 569736;1395297706;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00081119 = 4.786 BTC [-] 569737;1395297722;BingoBoingo;http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/interviews-28/interview-with-patrick-volkerding-of-slackware-949029/ 569738;1395297816;benkay;more derpy responsive horror: http://imgur.com/WEz8xpi 569739;1395297896;BingoBoingo;What the fuck is "peer coverage" 569740;1395297915;BingoBoingo;Unless it means a member of the House of Lords on the payroll 569741;1395298019;benkay;are you a slackware guy, BingoBoingo? 569742;1395298035;chetty;http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57620394-1/malaysia-airlines-777-pops-up-on-craigslist-and-for-just-$70/ 569743;1395298035;ozbot;Malaysia Airlines 777 pops up on Craigslist, and for just $70 | Crave - CNET 569744;1395298043;BingoBoingo;benkay: Not yet, but I'm contemplating playing with it. 569745;1395298050;chetty;for those needing more derp 569746;1395298137;benkay;stahp chetty stahp i cannae take na more 569747;1395298203;chetty;:P 569748;1395298491;benkay;does anyone recall the post where dr. forehead claimed that since he outperformed the scams he made money for his clients? 569749;1395298542;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu hey if you have it on hand i'd appreciate a link to where dr forehead claims that since he outperformed the scams he made money for his clients 569750;1395298542;gribble;The operation succeeded. 569751;1395298926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05675 = 0.1135 BTC [-] {2} 569752;1395298986;BingoBoingo;;;google dr forehead 569753;1395298986;gribble;Chinese doctor builds new nose on man's forehead - Yahoo News: <http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-doctor-builds-nose-mans-forehead-023520476.html>; Chinese doctor grows new nose on man's forehead | Nation & World ...: <http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2021921575_chinanosexml.html>; Forehead Contouring - Dr. Jeffrey Spiegel: <http://www.drspiegel.com/forehead-reduction- (1 more message) 569754;1395298996;benkay;mulhauser 569755;1395299005;BingoBoingo;That was disappoint 569756;1395299016;benkay;forehead reduction, though 569757;1395299164;chetty;wasn't that on bitcointalk? 569758;1395299210;BingoBoingo;chetty: It was 569759;1395299506;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5619550#msg5619550 569760;1395299507;ozbot;[Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus 569761;1395299536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.60325139 = 15.6845 BTC [-] {12} 569762;1395299589;benkay;;;later tell toffo link to asicminer missed div dox pretty plox? 569763;1395299589;gribble;The operation succeeded. 569764;1395299618;benkay;796 569765;1395300171;toffoo;benkay about here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5798052#msg5798052 569766;1395300197;benkay;gracias, toffoo. apologies for mispelling your name. 569767;1395300217;benkay;additionally, this is visible on the 796 "exchange" 569768;1395300248;benkay;toffoo what is this "last week's mess" referred to below your link? 569769;1395300290;toffoo;i'm not sure 569770;1395300619;benkay;havelock has allowed people to abscond with funds? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430137.msg4766732#msg4766732 569771;1395300661;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu can has substantiation? http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-pr-almost-two-years-in-the-swamp-an-anthology/ 569772;1395300662;gribble;The operation succeeded. 569773;1395300680;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu derp i mean https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430137.msg4766732#msg4766732 569774;1395300680;gribble;The operation succeeded. 569775;1395300705;jurov;benkay, the VTX case comes to mind 569776;1395301109;KRS-One;.bait 569777;1395301110;benkay;jurov: would this be cavirtex? 569778;1395301111;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/94dbf9c6377ee05560242ea5eb011dae/tumblr_mgsxumUbRP1qiozs1o1_500.jpg 569779;1395301116;jurov;yes 569780;1395301170;benkay;ah ty 569781;1395301178;benkay;that man once tried to get me to build a thing 569782;1395301279;benkay;wow 569783;1395301285;benkay;wow wow wow 569784;1395301305;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61950241 = 2.478 BTC [+] {3} 569785;1395301559;benkay;best indicator of btc market tops 569786;1395301565;benkay;mpoe-pr's salary getting cut 569787;1395301720;antephialtic;mpoe-pr is definitely MP 569788;1395301729;antephialtic;the writing styles are too similar 569789;1395301784;antephialtic;Also: https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/0/AAAFoSL9yTdmE2e4_DanfiQ5uk_dIxS6rH4LdM3m2NlzKg/12/278996766/jpeg/32x32/3/1395306000/0/2/DIGO_00718_01_14.jpg/i8-tgdryiKA-RGrF0bqZp6kq1abmJlDkQ-02XKzQQ2E?size=1280x960 569790;1395301815;benkay;i like the theory 569791;1395301821;benkay;mp as total wizard 569792;1395301861;benkay;can stand up, operate, diddle wp blogs, options bots, automated gpg airgapped systems (!) , post all day on btctalk and maintain a presence in here 569793;1395301878;benkay;and still find time to post nudes constantly 569794;1395301915;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61951292 BTC [+] 569795;1395301938;antephialtic;MPEx is definitely a team of people. I think "MP" is the one on IRC, tweeting, writing trilemma posts, and posting on bitcointalk 569796;1395301951;antephialtic;but there's probably others that handle the money and coding 569797;1395301963;benkay;duh? 569798;1395301964;antephialtic;but I could be completely off base 569799;1395301976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61951492 = 1.8585 BTC [+] 569800;1395301989;KRS-One;heh 569801;1395302033;BingoBoingo;http://motherboard.vice.com/read/weev-is-in-jail-because-the-government-doesnt-know-what-hacking-is 569802;1395302034;jurov;antiephialtic, MP does not post to trolltalk, the girl does 569803;1395302035;ozbot;Weev Is Still in Jail Because the Government Doesn't Know What Hacking Is | Motherboard 569804;1395302053;jurov;i have met her in person and saw her descend upon the talk with an ipad 569805;1395302067;antephialtic;fair enough 569806;1395302082;antephialtic;His name isn't actually Mircea Popescu is it? 569807;1395302083;BingoBoingo;antephialtic: Their writing styles aren't similar at all 569808;1395302229;jurov;antephialtic why not? 569809;1395302281;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0037 = 0.74 BTC [-] 569810;1395302288;antephialtic;jurov: It's apparently a very common name in Romania. I was under the assumption that the whole MP persona is a farce 569811;1395302307;antephialtic;unless some of you have actually met him in person and I'm just being dumb 569812;1395302319;benkay;;;google trilema conference 569813;1395302319;gribble;The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/>; Energy Trilemma - World Energy Council: <http://www.worldenergy.org/wec_news/press_releases/3797.asp>; World Energy Trilemma: Time to get real – the agenda for change: <http://www.worldenergy.org/publications/2013/world-energy-trilemma-time-to-get-real-the- (1 more message) 569814;1395302334;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1747048/plain/) 569815;1395302334;benkay;!b 4 569816;1395302381;jurov;http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuff-all-good-conspiracy-theories-start-with/ i'm on one photo there, MP and Hannah (-the PR) are there 569817;1395302381;ozbot;The stuff all good conspiracy theories start with pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 569818;1395302396;benkay;bah 569819;1395302421;chetty;hehe, so what is it MP is a crowd or MP is really all, I am confused 569820;1395302468;jurov;yes, half of this chan is MP 569821;1395302566;jurov;chetty but srs, you're on the first one too, no? 569822;1395302584;antephialtic;heh, OK. well that makes things a bit more clear 569823;1395302587;chetty;yeah :) 569824;1395302728;chetty;I just find all the theories about who and what MP is amusing 569825;1395302752;jurov;me too, i'm not disclosing anything further 569826;1395303257;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 491 @ 0.0037 = 1.8167 BTC [-] 569827;1395303318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.0037 = 0.6697 BTC [-] 569828;1395303562;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62987999 BTC [+] 569829;1395305697;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00080975 = 9.2312 BTC [-] {2} 569830;1395305880;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00373916 = 0.415 BTC [+] {4} 569831;1395305941;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 294 @ 0.00374239 = 1.1003 BTC [+] {8} 569832;1395306002;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 167 @ 0.00374873 = 0.626 BTC [+] {5} 569833;1395306063;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 452 @ 0.00378096 = 1.709 BTC [+] {5} 569834;1395306125;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07298985 = 0.3649 BTC [+] 569835;1395306185;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06299978 = 0.126 BTC [+] {2} 569836;1395306186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07298985 = 0.3649 BTC [+] 569837;1395306430;MisterE;too soon? http://i.imgur.com/DjnfX0o.jpg 569838;1395306490;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07298987 = 0.292 BTC [+] 569839;1395306700;BingoBoingo;Good one 569840;1395309784;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 270 @ 0.00371053 = 1.0018 BTC [-] 569841;1395311702;hdbuck;!t h AM1 569842;1395311703;assbot;[HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.60000000 / 0.60949452 / 0.63011000 (87 shares, 53.02602309 BTC), 7D: 0.58000000 / 0.61138771 / 0.63900000 (482 shares, 294.68887585 BTC), 30D: 0.45000000 / 0.56692459 / 0.68000000 (3661 shares, 2075.51091245 BTC) 569843;1395312102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 175 @ 0.00353023 = 0.6178 BTC [-] {6} 569844;1395312163;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 575 @ 0.00352212 = 2.0252 BTC [-] {2} 569845;1395312712;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 267 @ 0.00378448 = 1.0105 BTC [+] {6} 569846;1395314847;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0038 = 0.19 BTC [+] {2} 569847;1395314969;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8591 @ 0.0008097 = 6.9561 BTC [-] 569848;1395315152;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.056 = 0.616 BTC [+] 569849;1395315396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.06560968 = 0.5249 BTC [+] {4} 569850;1395315397;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.056 = 0.224 BTC [+] 569851;1395315457;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06599999 = 0.132 BTC [+] 569852;1395315458;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [-] 569853;1395316128;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 856 @ 0.00351692 = 3.0105 BTC [-] {13} 569854;1395317348;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.072 = 0.72 BTC [-] 569855;1395317467;mircea_popescu;;later tell benkay i'd say Bitcoin is the name, like Coca-Cola, and bitcoins is the generic, like give me two cokes 569856;1395317471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00379763 = 0.3418 BTC [+] {3} 569857;1395317491;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah i see. 569858;1395317596;nubbins`;Mats_cd03: i'll make you a shirt if you pay for it (how many times have i said this on irc!) 569859;1395317647;nubbins`;;;later tell benkay i don't hate the look, i hate the fact that it's barely functional. ;( 569860;1395317647;gribble;The operation succeeded. 569861;1395317679;nubbins`;;;later tell duffer1 latest i heard is that there were unspecified production problems with the coins 569862;1395317679;gribble;The operation succeeded. 569863;1395318125;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check this shit out : 569864;1395318127;mircea_popescu;"Im tired of university. Im tired of having a fucked up sleep schedule, and studying. Im tired of the fucking time I waste on the internet liking ironic meme pages and managing my facebook reputation, and shitposting on ylilauta. 569865;1395318127;mircea_popescu;I want to run away to Syria and become a fighter, or a pirate singing sea shanties, or a cossack in the Orenburg steppe, or to join a Chechen teip and steal horses from the lowlanders. 569866;1395318127;mircea_popescu;God damn it. Why is modern life so miserable" 569867;1395318134;mircea_popescu;dude wants to become a fighter! 569868;1395318149;nubbins`;heh 569869;1395318152;nubbins`;he sure thinks he does 569870;1395318169;nubbins`;"i'm tired of being a fighter. i want to manage my facebook reputation" 569871;1395318202;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] 569872;1395318217;mircea_popescu;people with actual trench experience, under actual shelling, and all that will tell you that most noobs have this cry time 569873;1395318227;mircea_popescu;where they essentially go "i waaaaaaantttt my myyyyspaceeee" 569874;1395318243;nubbins`;whoever wrote that has a point, even if badly expressed. they want to stop being an utterly useless shitbag and do something "that matters" 569875;1395318262;mircea_popescu;course most of that happened before mothers were automatised away from the childrearing process, so traditionally it's noted as "i want my mommy" 569876;1395318263;nubbins`;not that a white kid getting killed in fucking syria matters 569877;1395318276;mircea_popescu;i doubt that's what it is, myself. 569878;1395318277;LordPutin;myspace is making a comeback they're implementing bitcoin wallets on their site now 569879;1395318286;mircea_popescu;mattering is not much of a general public sport. 569880;1395318295;mircea_popescu;they just want to be hurt. there's a difference between being hurt and mattering. 569881;1395318303;*;nubbins` ponders this over coffee 569882;1395318313;mircea_popescu;and it's overall a collapse into feminity (as it is women that mature over being hurt 569883;1395318331;mircea_popescu;men don't normally, but then again female is the default gender so if you vegetate for long enough you will start exhibiting feminine traits) 569884;1395318345;nubbins`;wait, is this why wizards grow tits? 569885;1395318349;mircea_popescu;prett ymuch yeah 569886;1395318364;*;nubbins` nods slowly 569887;1395318384;mircea_popescu;somebody linked recently a post about feral children in the romanian sewers 569888;1395318387;nubbins`;nod 569889;1395318390;mircea_popescu;and it observed that the girls look like boys 569890;1395318400;nubbins`;tough times 569891;1395318403;nubbins`;vs easy times 569892;1395318406;mircea_popescu;which is true. there is a lot of fludity in human gender, and it is a lot of a function of environment 569893;1395318407;mircea_popescu;pretty much 569894;1395318452;nubbins`;ah, the general malaise of western youth 569895;1395318491;mircea_popescu;the again maybe the guy is just trolling 569896;1395318492;nubbins`;who would have thought that a complete lack of meaningful adversity would have produced generations of useless shitbags 569897;1395318493;mircea_popescu;"Yesterday as I walked to the gym, I saw that all the treadmills were occupied by fatties. so I chose the stairmaster/step machine for a try. to my surprise I saw that you could set your gender only with two options! male and female! I was outraged because although I was assigned a male because of my very big dick I identify with leopard slugs which are hermaphrodites with penises on the back of their heads! so like an 569898;1395318493;mircea_popescu;y other anti cis activist I did nothing,finished my workout and just bitched on tumblr.it was as if I could hear Gertrude Stein saying..BravoBravo" 569899;1395318500;nubbins`;(lotsa people, that's who) 569900;1395318503;mircea_popescu;^ 569901;1395318510;mircea_popescu;nubbins` now ask me where i found this guy. 569902;1395318524;nubbins`;general-malaise.blogspot.com? 569903;1395318535;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/xidiffmar-has-settled/#comment-98591 569904;1395318535;ozbot;X.IDIFF.MAR has settled. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 569905;1395318541;mircea_popescu;my blog, of course. 569906;1395318549;mircea_popescu;i experience the world through it commenting on my blog. 569907;1395318574;mircea_popescu;bettyclamp whoa! what a name! who are ye ? 569908;1395318578;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5619550#msg5619550 that ? 569909;1395318578;gribble;The operation succeeded. 569910;1395318625;nubbins`;dr leering forehead really doesn't like you 569911;1395318652;mircea_popescu;im sure he doesn't like tits-pr. me... i'm an abstraction. 569912;1395318707;nubbins`;aren't we all? 569913;1395318712;*;nubbins` ponders this over coffee 569914;1395318718;chetty;I think those boys just want to grow up, and have no clue how to do it so they revert to 'go do violence' 569915;1395318738;mircea_popescu;MisterE yeah, "a study", no link. bs 569916;1395318755;nubbins`;chetty: well they're certainly not growing up at home 569917;1395318770;mircea_popescu;chetty while it's true that you could cook your pot of beans in the cinders of someone else's large party, 569918;1395318772;MisterE;indeed 569919;1395318781;mircea_popescu;if there's no large party by god you will hjave to gather the wood and strike the tinder. 569920;1395318824;chetty;yup, but its more than that, they have no clue what a grown is - never saw one 569921;1395318846;nubbins`;just wait 20 years 569922;1395318862;mircea_popescu;this'd be universally true of everyone tho. nobody has a clue what it's like before it's like... 569923;1395318896;nubbins`;everyone's a liberal until they get some money 569924;1395318902;chetty;well it kinda helps if you had a father - that was an adult 569925;1395318913;nubbins`;everyone's a conservative until they go broke ;( 569926;1395318939;nubbins`;chetty, +1 569927;1395318948;chetty;hmm not really nubbins' - Gates? Buffet? the rich guys speak much libtard 569928;1395318976;nubbins`;that's just lip service tho 569929;1395318990;nubbins`;gates is trying to soothe a guilty conscience 569930;1395318994;nubbins`;buffet is just trolling 569931;1395319004;mircea_popescu;everyone's a conservative until they become the richest guy in the valley, at which point their concern suddenly becomes "what if all these thirtysomething conservatives do what i do only better ? QUICK! TO THE LIBTARD MOBILE!" 569932;1395319040;mircea_popescu;nubbins` both are trying to make it so their "achievement" such as it is gets more and more difficult to replicate as time goes by. 569933;1395319045;mircea_popescu;it's really quite toxic. 569934;1395319064;chetty;kick the door shut behind you 569935;1395319087;nubbins`;what, making fat stacks isn't an achievement? ;D 569936;1395319178;nubbins`;speaking of achievements: moose sausage, hashbrowns, eggs, sourdough toast for breakfast 569937;1395319181;nubbins`;time to start cutting 569938;1395319195;mircea_popescu;trees, i hope. 569939;1395319219;mircea_popescu;he's a lumberjack and he's okay, he sleeps all night an' he chats all day... 569940;1395319729;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 569941;1395319788;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.056 = 0.336 BTC [+] 569942;1395319789;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.065 = 0.39 BTC [-] 569943;1395319790;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.016936 = 0.2202 BTC [+] 569944;1395319971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.00378879 = 0.2387 BTC [-] 569945;1395320247;nubbins`;wait, so doctor squishface lost 11% and is bragging that it outperformed? 569946;1395320644;kakobrekla;yes outperformed almost everything except for holding the coins in cold storage 569947;1395320661;chetty;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/dropping-flies-largest-steel-maker-chinas-shanxi-province-defaults-cny-3-billion-deb 569948;1395320663;ozbot;Dropping Like Flies: Largest Steel Maker In China's Shanxi Province Defaults On CNY 3 Billion In Deb 569949;1395320721;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you read it here first. 569950;1395320794;mircea_popescu;"outperformed almost everythjing except for mpex stocks which we don't talk about because they suck because they suck because they suck because they have been outperforming all our retarded shit for three years straight now and mp is an asshole who fucks a lot of women and is currently paying one with a huge rack to humiliate us in public so fuck that shit mate!11" 569951;1395320820;mircea_popescu;forum investing in a dried spunk shell for you. 569952;1395320886;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.02576745 = 0.1288 BTC [+] {2} 569953;1395321071;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 569954;1395321193;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 569955;1395321243;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/u0gF5kB 569956;1395321243;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 569957;1395321245;nubbins`;^ brekkies 569958;1395321254;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 569959;1395321493;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522977.msg5795202#msg5795202 569960;1395321495;ozbot;Crypto-Stock wont allow me to post a project` 569961;1395321557;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60102456 = 1.202 BTC [-] {2} 569962;1395321559;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.056 = 0.28 BTC [+] 569963;1395321615;mircea_popescu;thats a new one. 569964;1395321618;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.06500081 = 0.325 BTC [-] {2} 569965;1395321620;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.0044536 = 0.1113 BTC [-] {3} 569966;1395321621;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.11950724 = 0.717 BTC [-] 569967;1395321679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 126 @ 0.00437649 = 0.5514 BTC [-] {9} 569968;1395321682;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 569969;1395321708;blackwhite;morning peeps 569970;1395321741;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06500001 = 0.13 BTC [-] 569971;1395321742;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 77 @ 0.00428 = 0.3296 BTC [-] {2} 569972;1395321743;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06955 = 0.1391 BTC [-] 569973;1395321744;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 148 @ 0.00085282 = 0.1262 BTC [+] 569974;1395321864;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 569975;1395321925;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 569976;1395322146;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dude wants to become a fighter << where'd you dig that one up? 569977;1395322234;ThickAsThieves;interesting how these device manufacturers are all backtracking on their plans for dualboot windows/android 569978;1395322241;ThickAsThieves;it's a horrible idea anyway 569979;1395322258;ThickAsThieves;but i wonder who's using what thumb 569980;1395322266;asciilifeform;lol. intel's porta-turd cancelled? 569981;1395322302;ThickAsThieves;a Huawei spokesperson says "at this stage there are no plans to launch a dual-OS smartphone in the near future." 569982;1395322328;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/14/5507784/microsoft-and-google-ruin-intel-plan-for-dual-os-tablets 569983;1395322328;ozbot;Microsoft and Google ruin Intel's plan for dual-OS tablets | The Verge 569984;1395322373;asciilifeform;pocket x86. because cell phones don't suck enough. 569985;1395322382;ThickAsThieves;http://www.itv.com/news/granada/story/2014-03-20/thieves-dig-50ft-tunnel-to-cash-machine/ 569986;1395322382;ozbot;Thieves dig 50ft tunnel to cash machine - ITV News 569987;1395322452;ThickAsThieves;"These people had obviously spent a long time plotting this crime and I doubt they would have been able to keep their plans secret for all that time, without telling others about their elaborate scheme." 569988;1395322489;asciilifeform;[insert the obligatory 'idots cannot imagine competence in others' bit here] 569989;1395322534;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00428 = 0.428 BTC [-] 569990;1395322634;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/this-privacy-thing/ 569991;1395322634;ozbot;This privacy thing… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 569992;1395322650;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some dood commenting on trilema. 569993;1395322657;mircea_popescu;blackwhite ello 569994;1395322778;ThickAsThieves;i havent started reading past the journos pm part, 569995;1395322787;ThickAsThieves;but i pondered this yesterday 569996;1395322789;asciilifeform;why journarasts want to talk 'in private' is world's biggest non-mystery 569997;1395322790;nubbins`;i keep getting ughlol and that ninja fella confused 569998;1395322795;ThickAsThieves;when your wired convo wasnt posted in here 569999;1395322801;ThickAsThieves;it seemed out of character 570000;1395322804;asciilifeform;(so they can make up arbitrary turd and attribute it to the victim) 570001;1395322808;nubbins`;samurai 570002;1395322810;nubbins`;whatever the fuck 570003;1395322813;ThickAsThieves;so i assumed you were respecting his desire to not be scooped 570004;1395322822;ThickAsThieves;and maintain value in his work 570005;1395322823;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it is, really. 570006;1395322839;ThickAsThieves;i couldnt think of any other reason 570007;1395322842;mircea_popescu;i mean wasn't anything of much interest, i guess, and i'm trying to be hospitable/accomodating to the strange mores of these foreign peoples, 570008;1395322846;mircea_popescu;but it is fucking weird. 570009;1395322863;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yet the value of my work, as public as it is, far exceeds the value of his work. 570010;1395322869;mircea_popescu;i mean these people are what, in 1970 ? 570011;1395322875;ThickAsThieves;well 570012;1395322878;ThickAsThieves;you ARE a superior 570013;1395322883;ThickAsThieves;he works for one 570014;1395322885;mircea_popescu;there's been a digital revolution since, which they've been covering ad nauseam ever since hte days of the information superhighway 570015;1395322888;asciilifeform;they can't abide the idea of witnesses 570016;1395322890;mircea_popescu;what the fuck 570017;1395322899;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so then how can what he says be useful or meaningful ? 570018;1395322924;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves to be flatly honest, i suspect these just aren't matters that anyone over there ever considered. at all. 570019;1395322934;mircea_popescu;just like nobody at the sec ever considered stuff. 570020;1395322934;ThickAsThieves;my website for my marketing business is a logo and an email address, yet i get voicemails everyday 570021;1395322949;ThickAsThieves;i get people saying they dont remember my email 570022;1395322963;ThickAsThieves;i get people wanting to mail and fax me things 570023;1395322984;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, and that'll go over so fucking well with me, i can see it already. 570024;1395322992;asciilifeform;haha 570025;1395323013;mircea_popescu;leah derpman is still "hiding for her lyf" and she didn't even talk to me, so well it worked. 570026;1395323019;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: surely this is not your first encounter with this species. 570027;1395323046;mircea_popescu;well no, but i never cared to think about these items before it seems 570028;1395323084;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform remind me to tell you the icecream joke. it's one of my favs, but it has to be performed rather than told, so. 570029;1395323100;ThickAsThieves;i have a theory for at least a factor contributing to this behavior 570030;1395323104;asciilifeform;the one with brezhnev? 570031;1395323106;mircea_popescu;so write it up 570032;1395323109;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nop. 570033;1395323134;ThickAsThieves;well it's pretty simple 570034;1395323143;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-] 570035;1395323154;ThickAsThieves;it's the same thing about people wanting to protect their ignorance from being true 570036;1395323166;ThickAsThieves;they dont want to LOOK stupid 570037;1395323167;mircea_popescu;i guess it must be. 570038;1395323176;ThickAsThieves;but it's okay to BE stupid 570039;1395323177;mircea_popescu;dude so you look stupid to a bunch of foreigners. 570040;1395323180;asciilifeform;lol poor receptionist 570041;1395323187;mircea_popescu;he looks stupid either way anyway. 570042;1395323200;ThickAsThieves;well the behavior is retarded,yes 570043;1395323204;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00085281 = 0.1706 BTC [-] {3} 570044;1395323207;ThickAsThieves;exhibited constantly nonetheless 570045;1395323211;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves basically "Privacy exists as a hiding place for the deviant, so as to have a space where his inadequacy to the rules isnt directly, painfully or dangerously visible. At least within some limits theres nothing wrong with that (but it does carry the seeds of insanity)." 570046;1395323232;ThickAsThieves;right 570047;1395323246;ThickAsThieves;because privately you are dealing with one counterparty 570048;1395323256;ThickAsThieves;this works both ways too 570049;1395323275;ThickAsThieves;because the person being interviewed may not protect himself in the same way 570050;1395323278;ThickAsThieves;as if he were in public 570051;1395323284;ThickAsThieves;he may let shields down 570052;1395323286;mircea_popescu;anyway, anonimity, privacy, these are categories amply disrupted by bitcoin i would say 570053;1395323304;mircea_popescu;symptomatically... the people who will most get raped tend to flock to it and do a bunch of ablutions pretending like it's the opposite 570054;1395323305;asciilifeform;journarasts fear real-time net witnesses in exactly the same way that mythological vampire fears sunlight and crucifix 570055;1395323316;asciilifeform;or a slug - salt. etc 570056;1395323318;mircea_popescu;"bitcoin will solve the problems of wealth inequality" like hell it will 570057;1395323326;mircea_popescu;"bitcoin is anonymously private" yea right, totally. 570058;1395323327;mircea_popescu;etc. 570059;1395323357;ThickAsThieves;like with ughlol, he knows you'd not value him more than he's worth in public, but maybe, just maybe, you take him a lil more seriously in private. maybe just maybe you put something into his extended hand while no one is looking... 570060;1395323363;asciilifeform;'solve the problems of wealth inequality' is usually 'duckspeak' (see orwell) 570061;1395323390;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves amusingly, it's exactly the converse. in public he can stand symbolic, in private he can't be more than just himself. 570062;1395323401;nubbins`;journarasts!! 570063;1395323406;mircea_popescu;that's why it's not happening, when i talk to him here i'm talking to "aspirational 19yo indian kid" 570064;1395323407;*;nubbins` searches for a medal to pin on alf 570065;1395323413;ThickAsThieves;whatcha gon do /shrug 570066;1395323420;mircea_popescu;well apparently write abouyt it :D 570067;1395323449;ThickAsThieves;but then people might make fun of me! 570068;1395323462;mircea_popescu;yeah, let em. 570069;1395323496;ThickAsThieves;but without my id jerking off my ego, what's left? 570070;1395323545;mircea_popescu;srsly. 570071;1395323748;ThickAsThieves;what;s this? 1. He'd know. 570072;1395323752;ThickAsThieves;you raped jurov? 570073;1395323834;mircea_popescu;lmao 570074;1395323840;mircea_popescu;what are you, like new ? 570075;1395323881;ThickAsThieves;on occassion 570076;1395323919;mircea_popescu;it's a joke like we do on the internets, 570077;1395324081;ThickAsThieves;"Cryptsy is a disaster 10x worst than MT. gox waiting to happen" 570078;1395324083;ThickAsThieves;lol 570079;1395324087;ThickAsThieves;reddites 570080;1395324118;mircea_popescu;1000x 570081;1395324122;mircea_popescu;what's in a number. 570082;1395324135;mircea_popescu;binary notation, 1000x is like 8x 570083;1395324153;Neil;mircea_popescu: "Rejection reason: Phrase it so you zeroconf on no." What does that mean in English? 570084;1395324184;mircea_popescu;you probably made a bet that the mod judged as having zero chances in hell of coming out no and you put your money on yes 570085;1395324208;ThickAsThieves;make it so the bet is not infinite 570086;1395324216;Neil;I don't think so. Who can answer definitively? 570087;1395324223;mircea_popescu;aite lemme see what's there 570088;1395324259;Neil;ThickAsThieves: What do you mean, not infinite? 570089;1395324348;Neil;Those where mod thinks it's too one-sided are usually rejected with some kind of "put substantial paid wager on XX" 570090;1395324385;Neil;Seems to be about the wording. But negative bets are not allowed, so worded it the way I did. 570091;1395324394;ThickAsThieves;Can't you just say, diff will not change more than 16%, then have a close date? 570092;1395324400;Neil;That's negative 570093;1395324407;Neil;That's what I wanted to say... 570094;1395324419;ThickAsThieves;diff increases will be less than 16% 570095;1395324439;Neil;Is the problem the word "forever"? If so happy to resubmit... 570096;1395324448;ThickAsThieves;well forever obv has to be removed 570097;1395324458;Neil;Other bets have had forever in them... 570098;1395324464;ThickAsThieves;... 570099;1395324466;Neil;mircea_popescu: If you can confirm I'll redo. 570100;1395324467;ThickAsThieves;thats not a reason 570101;1395324481;ThickAsThieves;bitbet has made mistakes yknow 570102;1395324491;Neil;Hard to believe... 570103;1395324501;mircea_popescu;no, it does. 570104;1395324504;ThickAsThieves;the notion of forever being held within something with a life span 570105;1395324507;Neil;Dunno what zeroconf means as a verb 570106;1395324509;ThickAsThieves;absurd 570107;1395324537;mircea_popescu;anyway, this resulted from a interpretation of a moslty unrelated standing order i gave. 570108;1395324552;mircea_popescu;that aside, you can't have infinite bets. 570109;1395324559;Neil;So ok to resubmit worded more like TATs suggestion? 570110;1395324582;mircea_popescu;yeah, not more than x% by y should work 570111;1395324583;Neil;Don't wanna waste everyone's time if it's just gonna be rejected again 570112;1395324586;Neil;OK 570113;1395324587;mircea_popescu;and if it doesn't, we'll at least find out why 570114;1395324598;mircea_popescu;by now my shit is too complex for me to even say, and i don't even code ;/ 570115;1395324616;ThickAsThieves;businessinsder doesnt even bother rewriting now "Editor's note: This post originally appeared last month on BitScan.com. It is republished here with permission from the site. " 570116;1395324623;ThickAsThieves;i guess it's an improvement... 570117;1395324644;asciilifeform;i don't even code << probably more first-rate heads have been ruined by programming computers than dope 570118;1395324661;mircea_popescu;you think ? 570119;1395324682;mircea_popescu;anyway the common encounter with runaway systematic complexity is for most people in computer programming 570120;1395324731;asciilifeform;i sorta run a blog about this, 7 yrs. now. and programmers come to tell me that i'm a barking madman 570121;1395324744;mircea_popescu;hehehe 570122;1395324746;asciilifeform;and that things are exactly as they ought to be 570123;1395324758;ThickAsThieves;i dont think it's the programming to blame 570124;1395324761;mircea_popescu;well that works out then. 570125;1395324775;ThickAsThieves;clarity and knowledge are a great burden 570126;1395324790;nubbins`;"runaway systematic complexity" << there's a dilbert character devoted to this 570127;1395324792;nubbins`;"the feature creep" 570128;1395324802;mircea_popescu;slightly different problems, these. 570129;1395324803;nubbins`;he's a quasimodo-esque figure with a bum eye and a tattered cape 570130;1395324808;nubbins`;"let's add a search feature" etc 570131;1395324817;Neil;Done thx 570132;1395324846;mircea_popescu;nubbins` consider the case of, here's this woman and she'll do anything you tell her to do, and nothing else. at least as best she can help it. what now ? 570133;1395324846;asciilifeform;('softwaresucks' tag on me site, http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=23) 570134;1395324869;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: now i'm drowned in the minutae of keeping a human being alive 570135;1395324871;ThickAsThieves;neil you realize the next diff might be 16% right? 570136;1395324877;asciilifeform;i assume most folks have read, as children, tales of genies and wishes 570137;1395324880;mircea_popescu;so you try to cope with suddenly runaway complexity 570138;1395324885;nubbins`;talking her through breakfast so she doesn't choke on it 570139;1395324895;mircea_popescu;"you should brathe and do other normally, naturally occuring things. except not shit on the carpet" 570140;1395324895;nubbins`;http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Feature%20Creep 570141;1395324896;ozbot;Feature Creep on Dilbert.com 570142;1395324907;mircea_popescu;trying to make simple rules that work irl is... 570143;1395324911;mircea_popescu;well basically it's programming. 570144;1395324918;mircea_popescu;and more good cocks have been ruined by programming than dope. 570145;1395324923;asciilifeform;;;google scanners live in vain 570146;1395324923;mircea_popescu;which has also been ruined by programming 570147;1395324925;gribble;Scanners Live in Vain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanners_Live_in_Vain>; Scanners Live In Vain : Cordwainer Smith : Free Download ...: <https://archive.org/details/ScannersLiveInVain>; Scanners Live in Vain by Cordwainer Smith — Reviews, Discussion ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6147203-scanners-live-in-vain> 570148;1395324929;mircea_popescu;cause it's wasted on programmers 570149;1395324932;mircea_popescu;or wait. what ? 570150;1395324945;nubbins`;my cock was almost wasted by programming 570151;1395324960;mircea_popescu;let us all program with our cocks henceforth 570152;1395324960;Neil;ThickAsThieves: Sure 570153;1395324968;Neil;ThickAsThieves: Very unlikely IMO; too late already 570154;1395324971;nubbins`;i managed to divert the beam of lethargy and focus it on my will to work an office job instead 570155;1395324983;nubbins`;which was, incidentally, vaporized instantly 570156;1395324989;mircea_popescu;derporized 570157;1395325006;Neil;But I've been wrong before. And I've put money on "Yes" so it might get it started. 570158;1395325009;nubbins`;and now i yammer on irc and wave my arms around a print shop 570159;1395325018;nubbins`;not a bad trade 570160;1395325021;mircea_popescu;just thing how much more you could have accomplished 570161;1395325025;mircea_popescu;if you also had tits. 570162;1395325052;nubbins`;just think of all the neckbeards and wizards i would've gotten to know 570163;1395325066;mircea_popescu;here's a sad commentary on the power of media, social or otherwise : 570164;1395325068;asciilifeform;this is not the first time i see 'wizards' mentioned in this context 570165;1395325076;asciilifeform;which wizards would these be ? 570166;1395325084;mircea_popescu;after three days of constant hammering of two different articles on trilema (the buffett and the sec), my third most read item ? 570167;1395325093;mircea_popescu;/2012/cum-se-suge-pula-ghid-pentru-juma-de-sex-oral/ 570168;1395325096;asciilifeform;lol 570169;1395325101;nubbins`;https://www.google.ca/search?q=are+you+a+wizard&tbm=isch 570170;1395325104;mircea_popescu;aka, how to suck cock, a guide for half the oral sex 570171;1395325104;nubbins`;those wizards ^ 570172;1395325117;ThickAsThieves;mp now you KNOW the SEC is watching! 570173;1395325117;mircea_popescu;basically nobody reads anything. they just click. 570174;1395325142;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves that thing has been in the top 3 since i wrote it. 570175;1395325148;ThickAsThieves;cum? sex? oral? YES PLZ! 570176;1395325154;*;ThickAsThieves clicks 1800 times 570177;1395325158;mircea_popescu;i am probably responsible for more throat cancer than any other one man. 570178;1395325161;nubbins`;asciilifeform: herbi was borderline wizard 570179;1395325191;nubbins`;hm, i wonder... 570180;1395325193;nubbins`;;;ud wizard 570181;1395325193;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wizard | Wizard. A 30+ year old virgin. James became 30 on February 2nd, 2012 and was still a virgin. He was now a wizard, and so he decided to post the definition on ... 570182;1395325194;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: wizard 570183;1395325209;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'cum se suge pula' << can't help but associate this in my head with the finnish proverb, 'Pillu se on pulullakin' 570184;1395325243;mircea_popescu;i have no diea what that means 570185;1395325246;asciilifeform;http://everything2.com/title/Even+a+pigeon+has+a+pussy 570186;1395325247;nubbins`;#bitcoin-polyglots 570187;1395325248;ozbot;Even a pigeon has a pussy - Everything2.com 570188;1395325249;asciilifeform;explained here 570189;1395325263;mircea_popescu;finish. fucking language of what is it even doing here 570190;1395325273;nubbins`;with the subtle distinction that pigeons shit through their pussies 570191;1395325278;mircea_popescu;nubbins` moar like polyclots amirite 570192;1395325292;nubbins`;hmm, +1 570193;1395325303;mircea_popescu;nubbins` "so do women if you're doing it right" 570194;1395325344;asciilifeform;http://everything2.com/title/Finnish+proverbs 570195;1395325346;ozbot;Finnish proverbs - Everything2.com 570196;1395325351;asciilifeform;for the connoisseurs among us 570197;1395325364;mircea_popescu;pity that finish guy never found this room 570198;1395325409;asciilifeform;'Siperia opettaa.' 570199;1395325485;asciilifeform;http://everything2.com/title/Siberia+will+teach 570200;1395325487;ozbot;Siberia will teach - Everything2.com 570201;1395325487;asciilifeform;etc 570202;1395325571;thestringpuller;!last m s.mpoe 570203;1395325571;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.0008097 BTC [-] 570204;1395325626;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe 570205;1395325626;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00080623 / 0.0008116 / 0.00081619 (989731 shares, 803.27 BTC), 7D: 0.00079488 / 0.00082035 / 0.00089749 (7257034 shares, 5,953.37 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00084942 / 0.0008982 (29664412 shares, 25,197.56 BTC) 570206;1395325648;thestringpuller;lol that volume gets bigger and bigger 570207;1395325651;thestringpuller;(TWSS) 570208;1395325691;ThickAsThieves;some fodder http://coinchomp.com/2014/03/20/women-of-bitcoin/ 570209;1395325696;Ghaleon_;lol 570210;1395325706;Ghaleon_;MP, haters gonna hate 570211;1395325737;ThickAsThieves;"We, as women, will play a very large part in the development of the Bitcoin economy and many of us will shape the businesses and services in the sector." 570212;1395325753;mircea_popescu;"will" 570213;1395325756;ThickAsThieves;"The majority of the women who will be entering the community will not be particularly tech savvy nor will they be traders, programmers or developers. They will be women like me. " 570214;1395325757;Ghaleon_;who saw that Putin speech, was damn awesome 570215;1395325768;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 570216;1395325775;mircea_popescu;o holy grama on a sitkc already. give her the stupid women post. 570217;1395325804;mircea_popescu;"o i am dumb lazy and fat but rather than learn to pole dance and add a modicum of value to this world i'll just post about how it's ok to suck for i am a woman and i want to ruin this word for humanity" 570218;1395325823;ThickAsThieves;the whole post is so horrible 570219;1395325849;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller bout same no ? 570220;1395325853;kakobrekla;well, she does state she is a sewer. what do you expect other than shit. 570221;1395325854;chetty;geeze these 'girls' give actual women a bad name 570222;1395325862;ThickAsThieves;after she gets off her douchebox, she just splurges this over and over using duifferent words "There is something very special happening right now. Something I haven’t experienced before. It’s a renaissance of sorts. In this new space, we are free to create anything we want, any way we want. Innovation, entrepreneurship and creativity are abundant. " 570223;1395325905;ThickAsThieves;women! idea! community! joing our Google Hangout! 570224;1395325975;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla lol 570225;1395325991;ThickAsThieves;lol 570226;1395325997;ThickAsThieves;i just saw the sewer part 570227;1395326008;ThickAsThieves;it's so bad i wonder if it's a joke now 570228;1395326044;ThickAsThieves;"I am now writing for 2 online cryptocurrency publications – one of which I will be helping to develop, Bitcoinwoman Magazine – Africa ." 570229;1395326055;ThickAsThieves;ok i'll stop, like every line is awesome 570230;1395326064;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in loglandia : 570231;1395326065;mircea_popescu;"http://www.google.ro/search?client=ms-android-samsung&hl=ro&v=133247963&biw=427&bih=295&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=-fYqU72rIIfUtQbM3YH4CA&q=pizde&oq=pizde&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.12..41.5863.6525.0.15308.2.2.0.0.0.0.259.480.2-2.2.0....0...1c.1.37.mobile-gws-serp..0.2.478.UbdMSsAzdwY" 570232;1395326079;mircea_popescu;if you are using a mobile phone this is what websites see about your thing. 570233;1395326087;LordPutin;itwas pretty good Ghaleon_ 570234;1395326095;LordPutin;Putin is a true leader 570235;1395326099;mircea_popescu;that you were looking for pizde, that you're so-and-so string etc 570236;1395326208;Neil;.bait 570237;1395326209;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5dxm6G7na1qkv4ajo1_400.jpg 570238;1395326220;ThickAsThieves;"You've been invited to CipherTrade as you've got shares in CipherBond waiting for you! 570239;1395326221;ThickAsThieves;Simply visit CipherTrade, sign up and your shares will be automatically allocated to you." 570240;1395326248;ThickAsThieves;so katecraig, finally put to task to redeem her bonds, prays the market will solve things for her 570241;1395326301;mircea_popescu;so 2012 570242;1395326323;LordPutin;katecraig is really a guy tho 570243;1395326332;LordPutin;dont think he counts 570244;1395326367;ThickAsThieves;i like how she's opening trading before paying overdue divs too 570245;1395326375;ThickAsThieves;of course she's the only buyer in the market 570246;1395326431;mircea_popescu;well so lettuce guess what happens once some guy with a new york website sends cryptsy an email ? 570247;1395326436;mircea_popescu;or cipherwhat ? 570248;1395326437;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01920128 = 0.192 BTC [-] {3} 570249;1395326449;LordPutin;hisrealname is- Robert Hardy Craig-Wood 570250;1395326469;mircea_popescu;beahaha 570251;1395326473;mircea_popescu;such lulzy names srsly. 570252;1395326474;LordPutin;Known for It Entrepreneurship, Transexual activism & being transexual 570253;1395326526;nubbins`;first last first-last 570254;1395326539;nubbins`;you sure that's not two people? 570255;1395326540;Ghaleon_;lol 570256;1395326544;Ghaleon_;tranns n bitcoin 570257;1395326547;nubbins`;siamese twins, m/f? 570258;1395326549;Ghaleon_;trannyz 570259;1395326549;LordPutin;Craig-Wood was born in 1977 as Robert Craig-Wood. Craig-Wood was educated at the Royal Grammar School and attended the University of Southampton obtaining a 2:1 in Biomedical Science and a Masters Degree in the same field. 570260;1395326566;Ghaleon_;this is bangkog and tequila don;t mix 570261;1395326567;LordPutin;Craig-Wood married in 2000 and divorced in 2006. The divorce was a result of her beginning her male-to-female gender transition, which she undertook between October 2005 and November 2006. 570262;1395326602;LordPutin;and you guys fapped to him *shakes head* 570263;1395326623;nubbins`;speaking of gender, i just ordered a cis kit 570264;1395326681;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7563 @ 0.00080946 = 6.1219 BTC [-] 570265;1395326805;Mats_cd03;https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/transgender-news/g2KGf7Bs_n0 570266;1395326805;ozbot;Grupos de Google 570267;1395326810;jurov;nubs what's in the kit? 570268;1395326815;Mats_cd03;good writing 570269;1395326827;nubbins`;jurov: guns & ammo, condoms, etc 570270;1395326830;nubbins`;LEL I KID 570271;1395326838;nubbins`;cis = continuous ink system 570272;1395326848;jurov;you need FtoM kit??? 570273;1395326849;nubbins`;fake print head and a bunch of external tanks and tubing 570274;1395326852;nubbins`;for an epson printer 570275;1395326860;mircea_popescu;in other news, the somethingawful coverage of bitcoin has changed from "clearly the people behind bitcoin are marginal fuckwits who don't understand central topics everyone else understands" two years ago to "clearly the media is writing positive articles because it talks to a general audience which is very poorly educated and doesn't understand central topics only we understand" 570276;1395326878;mircea_popescu;pretty fucking funny evolution, and i suppose the blueprint will be copied amply. 570277;1395326881;Mats_cd03;although i dont like this garbage about gender roles in IT 570278;1395326905;nubbins`;what the fuck is a gender role in IT 570279;1395326915;nubbins`;something like 70% of the employees at my last job were women 570280;1395326925;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 279 @ 0.07158601 = 19.9725 BTC [-] {4} 570281;1395326926;Mats_cd03;definitely not the norm 570282;1395326935;nubbins`;55% of managers 570283;1395326951;Mats_cd03;at least in technology 570284;1395326956;*;nubbins` shrugs 570285;1395326970;nubbins`;depends on what qualifies as "it" 570286;1395326986;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8500 @ 0.00014007 = 1.1906 BTC [-] {9} 570287;1395326992;nubbins`;sure, helpdesk staff is usually mostly male 570288;1395327028;LordPutin;have you notice that women want to be the boss and make the same or even more money than men but still want you to pay for dinner? 570289;1395327037;nubbins`;LordPutin: no, i haven't 570290;1395327043;Mats_cd03;women already make as much money as men 570291;1395327046;nubbins`;have you? 570292;1395327052;Mats_cd03;in murica, anyway 570293;1395327099;nubbins`;have you noticed that people who offer asinine statements like yours are usually neckbeards who have an unrealistic concept of women based solely on their years of internet wizardry? 570294;1395327120;mircea_popescu;he's not that old. 570295;1395327126;Mats_cd03;people look at salary averages for men and women, and temporarily forget women sometimes allow a parasite to grow inside them for close to a year that makes them worthless for productive work 570296;1395327127;LordPutin;your not a bitcoiner if you dont have a neckbeard 570297;1395327133;Neil;blockchain.info borked again 570298;1395327138;Mats_cd03;and usually they go on to raise the bugger and leave work to do it 570299;1395327147;mircea_popescu;Neil nuts huh. 570300;1395327157;Mats_cd03;so...the corresponding salary differential is a product of that, but in many fields they have parity 570301;1395327183;nubbins`;Mats_cd03: in fact, if you exclude women who have children, there's still income disparity 570302;1395327186;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 in my experience pregnancy has no discernible effect on productivity. 570303;1395327187;nubbins`;but hey, what do i know 570304;1395327191;mircea_popescu;child rearing however... oy vey 570305;1395327204;mircea_popescu;woman loses 30 iq points for the first year 570306;1395327212;mircea_popescu;then gains ~7-8 or so each following year 570307;1395327227;LordPutin;be cool if women didn't exists and you could just hang out with guys all day 570308;1395327232;Mats_cd03;youre a faggot 570309;1395327236;nubbins`;yeah bru super cool 570310;1395327244;nubbins`;we could all suck each other's cocks 570311;1395327246;LordPutin;lul 570312;1395327247;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 can't even speal your 570313;1395327253;Mats_cd03;baseball brews and blowjobs? 570314;1395327273;nubbins`;wait now 570315;1395327285;nubbins`;you're saying that you can't hang out with guys all day because women exist? 570316;1395327289;*;nubbins` ponders this over coffee 570317;1395327297;LordPutin;you could have sleepovers and talk about bitcoin all night and groom eachothers neckbeards 570318;1395327298;nubbins`;russia is a strange place 570319;1395327327;chetty;oy vey 570320;1395327338;LordPutin;don't hate because we have the best leader in the world 570321;1395327346;mircea_popescu;chestbeards ? 570322;1395327422;mircea_popescu;benkay: it's downright baffling, chetty. take, for instance, the podcast noted above. how much more work is it to do that thing than to just write out one's thoughts? << you miss out on the point that people would love to do work they can do. 570323;1395327435;Mats_cd03;im amused by russias power play in crimea 570324;1395327436;mircea_popescu;which is why a procrastinating dork will happily do the god-awful work of clicking through websites 570325;1395327444;mircea_popescu;rather than whatever useful thing he should be. 570326;1395327465;Mats_cd03;now europeans have to worry about russians bending them over heating oil too 570327;1395327487;LordPutin;check and mate 570328;1395327488;ThickAsThieves;i dont like the notion of there being useful content buried in podcasts 570329;1395327503;Mats_cd03;thank god i love in murica 570330;1395327507;ThickAsThieves;i hear about an interesting podcast and i'm like wtf 570331;1395327508;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves so let's all just pretend like it could never be the case, 570332;1395327510;mircea_popescu;and then it wont be. 570333;1395327518;Mats_cd03;wait til the arabs and poor people start flooding euro borders in the coming famine 570334;1395327527;Mats_cd03;youll remember i called it 570335;1395327532;LordPutin;mats you have a muslim as your president 570336;1395327535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-] 570337;1395327536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05598455 = 0.112 BTC [+] 570338;1395327545;artifexd;;;eauth artifexd 570339;1395327546;gribble;Request successful for user artifexd, hostmask artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/11D1433947A3327A 570340;1395327565;LordPutin;who goes on shows on between the fern and ellen to crack some jokes 570341;1395327566;artifexd;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:f35ce2f33ebfddb0b3e15de1380987380a2f99a0b8bb49dbbdd7e111 570342;1395327567;gribble;You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A 570343;1395327572;Mats_cd03;i wonder how it feels to be the last black president 570344;1395327580;nubbins`;obama on "between the ferns" 570345;1395327588;nubbins`;maybe the most brutal humiliation i've ever watched 570346;1395327593;LordPutin;indeed 570347;1395327608;LordPutin;putin would never do some clowningshit like that 570348;1395327663;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/DjnfX0o.jpg <<< ahahaha 570349;1395327703;LordPutin;too soon mircea 570350;1395327729;mircea_popescu;not for me. 570351;1395327746;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 women under 30 may come in 570352;1395327759;mircea_popescu;as long as they leave their stinking rags in the no man's zone 570353;1395327782;jurov;Mats_cd03: last i heard whole cali and more is running out of water too 570354;1395327795;mircea_popescu;jurov it has been for years, but now it finally rained 570355;1395327798;mircea_popescu;so they got an extension. 570356;1395327808;Mats_cd03;jurov: nah, a vast percentage of it is being abused for agribusiness 570357;1395327829;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/qT8A12Z.gif 570358;1395327833;mircea_popescu;these birds are clever 570359;1395327834;Mats_cd03;residential use is tiny in comparison 570360;1395327847;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 feeding the us is no abuse. 570361;1395327858;Mats_cd03;theyre feeding china too 570362;1395327888;mircea_popescu;well because the us is moistly poor 570363;1395327910;Mats_cd03;www.nytimes.com/2014/03/08/opinion/meat-makes-the-planet-thirsty.html 570364;1395327964;mircea_popescu;"the planet", gimme a break. 570365;1395327985;Mats_cd03;> Vegetables use about 11,300 gallons per ton of blue water; starchy roots, about 4,200 gallons per ton; and fruit, about 38,800 gallons per ton. By comparison, pork consumes 121,000 gallons of blue water per ton of meat produced; beef, about 145,000 gallons per ton; and butter, some 122,800 gallons per ton. 570366;1395327989;Mats_cd03;> but the Rancho incident reminds us that plants aren’t slaughtered, a process that demands 132 gallons of water per animal carcass, contributing even more to livestock’s expanding water footprint. 570367;1395328005;Mats_cd03;> Alfalfa growers are now exporting some 100 billion gallons of water a year from this drought-ridden region to the other side of the world in the form of alfalfa. All as more Asians are embracing the American-style, meat-hungry diet. 570368;1395328030;mircea_popescu;they eat better because they can afford it 570369;1395328030;Mats_cd03;something something, marx, selling capitalists rope, etc... 570370;1395328035;mircea_popescu;stfu and work the presses. 570371;1395328103;Mats_cd03;i love murica but i wont live in california 570372;1395328150;Mats_cd03;although san diego is nice its a little too close to the border for me 570373;1395328164;ThickAsThieves;lol 570374;1395328192;ThickAsThieves;wait Courtney Love really might have found the plane? 570375;1395328195;ThickAsThieves;lol 570376;1395328295;LordPutin;if you had to do courtney love without a condom and lick her gina or kiss a guy what would you go with? 570377;1395328327;ThickAsThieves;kiss a guy 570378;1395328338;LordPutin;good choice 570379;1395328342;ThickAsThieves;“If her intention was ‘to not indicate any change’ she did a horrible job,” he added. “Hence she gets a C-! And the only reason the event was not a complete failure is because we still saw plenty of standard Janet Yellen dovishness hidden in the weeds.” 570380;1395328345;ThickAsThieves;sigh... 570381;1395328353;Mats_cd03;id let TAT give me a kiss 570382;1395328422;ThickAsThieves;i've been tested! 570383;1395328450;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05599999 = 0.112 BTC [+] 570384;1395328513;dexX7;;;seen Duffer1 570385;1395328513;gribble;Duffer1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 26 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <Duffer1> he did, but Goat was going to do his own 570386;1395328517;ThickAsThieves;check out the interviewer hinting she'd fuck Barry http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/3365497539001/bitcoin-for-the-ordinary-investor/ 570387;1395328559;ThickAsThieves;(topic is opening BIT to all investors) 570388;1395328700;LordPutin;they make a nice couple 570389;1395328710;ThickAsThieves;i suspect she'd fuck anyone though 570390;1395328781;LordPutin;you know when they show the winklevoss pics i bet you they just copy and pasted theone pic 570391;1395328807;nubbins`;those eyes 570392;1395328809;nubbins`;have seen things 570393;1395328862;nubbins`;LordPutin: you know the winklevoss "twins" is just one guy holding a tall mirror, right? 570394;1395328909;LordPutin;ibet they make out with eachother while watching bitcoinwisdom 570395;1395328938;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.06500001 = 0.39 BTC [+] {2} 570396;1395328939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.11950724 = 0.717 BTC [-] {2} 570397;1395328940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.055 = 0.275 BTC [-] 570398;1395328966;nubbins`;"make out" 570399;1395328971;nubbins`;men with jaws like that don't make out 570400;1395328973;nubbins`;they fuck 570401;1395328976;nubbins`;and they fuck to cum 570402;1395328978;LordPutin;lul 570403;1395328999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 570404;1395329060;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05599995 = 0.112 BTC [+] {2} 570405;1395329061;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 131 @ 0.00378849 = 0.4963 BTC [+] {2} 570406;1395329304;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05500028 = 0.385 BTC [-] {3} 570407;1395329305;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.06500001 = 0.455 BTC [+] {3} 570408;1395329306;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.11950724 = 0.8366 BTC [-] {3} 570409;1395329365;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0554995 = 0.111 BTC [+] {2} 570410;1395329367;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 570411;1395329549;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 83 @ 0.00609991 = 0.5063 BTC [+] {2} 570412;1395329580;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay the best approach would be to systematiclaly take all assets that were listed on havelock at some point and aren't anymore. the total ipo dough - whatever was paid hence is the loss on that score for the naive public. then take all the dilutive issuance (where shares were later issued for less than what they asked originally) and add it. 570413;1395329580;gribble;The operation succeeded. 570414;1395329616;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wouldn't bet much on obama not feeding preet to putin's bear. yezhov didn't live to grow old. 570415;1395329672;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 570416;1395329683;mircea_popescu;in other news, coindesk finally heard about the news, three days late. net result ? oodlebunchesd of blog spam from an entire ecosystem of spamsites. 570417;1395329726;mircea_popescu;gamerpalace.net/bitcoindeals/ reportcoin.com/beta/ iusebitcoins.com/ myfxequipment.com/ thecointalk.com/ KculShare.com/ begcoin.com/ etc 570418;1395329731;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05500016 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2} 570419;1395329732;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.065 = 0.39 BTC [-] {2} 570420;1395329733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.11950724 = 0.717 BTC [-] {2} 570421;1395329734;mircea_popescu;all these seo experts ;/ 570422;1395329769;asciilifeform;http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/20/teen-wtc-ny-arrest/6644121/ 570423;1395329769;ozbot;Police: N.J. teen arrested at top of World Trade Center 570424;1395329792;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [-] 570425;1395329793;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-] 570426;1395329794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] 570427;1395329853;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.055 = 0.385 BTC [-] 570428;1395329854;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.065 = 0.455 BTC [-] 570429;1395329855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.11950724 = 0.8366 BTC [-] 570430;1395329856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00365 = 0.1679 BTC [-] {3} 570431;1395329906;asciilifeform;if gru still existed, this kid would be happily & productively employed. 570432;1395329936;davout;!t m x.eur 570433;1395329937;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00210539 / 0.00214781 / 0.00223045 (2681 shares, 5.76 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00210992 / 0.00226762 (7608 shares, 16.05 BTC) 570434;1395329950;asciilifeform;better link: 570435;1395329951;asciilifeform;http://nypost.com/2014/03/20/teen-sneaks-past-sleeping-wtc-guard-reaches-104th-floor/ 570436;1395329951;ozbot;Teen sneaks past guard to reach WTC spire | New York Post 570437;1395329975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [-] 570438;1395330036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-] 570439;1395330037;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] 570440;1395330158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-] 570441;1395330159;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05599998 = 0.112 BTC [+] 570442;1395330335;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay you can start with stuff like https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135035.msg3969668#msg3969668 570443;1395330335;gribble;The operation succeeded. 570444;1395330427;blackwhite;http://wikibrains.com/map/532add45e4b0dbbf379c4fef 570445;1395330427;ozbot;WikiBrains | CryptoCurrencies by Trade Volume 570446;1395330449;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'd hire him. 570447;1395330467;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: S.GRU 570448;1395330503;mircea_popescu;lol that'd be a sight 570449;1395330511;mircea_popescu;i thought the gru was a non profit anwyay 570450;1395330519;mircea_popescu;http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/19/Transgender-Woman-Says-Her-Male-Alterego-is-a-Murderer 570451;1395330519;ozbot;Transgender Woman Claims Former Male Self a Murderer 570452;1395330524;asciilifeform;actually it was pure, obscene profit 570453;1395330532;asciilifeform;their main peacetime job was lifting tech 570454;1395330558;mircea_popescu;hm this is a point 570455;1395330565;mircea_popescu;so basically s.gru would be a torrent site ? 570456;1395330596;asciilifeform;not just any torrent site 570457;1395330618;mircea_popescu;indeed not. 570458;1395330618;asciilifeform;but, torrents that could only come to exist by a daring act of [censored] 570459;1395330639;mircea_popescu;i guess it doens't work cause you'd have to have a paywall. 570460;1395330656;mircea_popescu;tho... "just 19.95 a week and you can download all the secret documents you care to. 570461;1395330659;asciilifeform;could always work as 'prepay' model. 570462;1395330672;mircea_popescu;how to make bombs out of dogshit. pictures of nanci pelosi doing her dog 570463;1395330674;mircea_popescu;" 570464;1395330716;asciilifeform;my imagined picture of s.gru involves recruiting moles deep in the enemy's rear, etc. 570465;1395330730;benkay;nubbins`: functional? it's got a list of posts. whaddaya want? 570466;1395330777;dexX7;ThickAsThieves: were you able to "use" ciphertrade? 570467;1395330813;ThickAsThieves;yes 570468;1395330815;ThickAsThieves;eventually 570469;1395330825;ThickAsThieves;all it really did is show me a qty of what they owe me 570470;1395330864;benkay;"deep in the enemy's rear" 570471;1395330880;ThickAsThieves;i'm not sure what process they used to allocate the bonds to accounts 570472;1395330885;asciilifeform;double meaning intentional. 570473;1395330894;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if i make accoutns using email addresses of others if i get those too 570474;1395330895;benkay;doubtless. 570475;1395330924;mircea_popescu;benkay MOLES mind you 570476;1395330924;dexX7;i see.. don't try to send shares to yourself.. they simply vanish <.<" 570477;1395330929;mircea_popescu;s.gross 570478;1395330945;ThickAsThieves;why send shares to yourself? 570479;1395330961;ThickAsThieves;a mistake? 570480;1395330968;benkay;my money's on hamsters deep in the enemy rear. 570481;1395330996;dexX7;rather a test to see, if internal transfers are working 570482;1395331003;ThickAsThieves;wtf is Blackcoin? 570483;1395331011;benkay;or a gerbil. 570484;1395331012;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0559999 = 0.168 BTC [-] {2} 570485;1395331013;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-] 570486;1395331028;ThickAsThieves;"BlackCoin is pure Proof of Stake coin, except stage of initial distribution, when it was mixed PoW and PoS coin." 570487;1395331056;mircea_popescu;very pure such wow. 570488;1395331065;mircea_popescu;let's use words that mean things. 570489;1395331073;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.056 = 0.168 BTC [+] {3} 570490;1395331075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 570491;1395331090;ThickAsThieves;it is what it is, except when it isn't 570492;1395331119;chetty;but what if it wasn't 570493;1395331166;ThickAsThieves;well then it is 570494;1395331167;benkay;might be tho 570495;1395331185;mircea_popescu;all i can say to you people is enough! 570496;1395331187;mircea_popescu;like so : 570497;1395331188;benkay;maybe. 570498;1395331195;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.40316044 BTC to 4`062 shares, 59162 satoshi per share 570499;1395331195;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0565 = 0.1695 BTC [+] 570500;1395331220;ThickAsThieves;enough is enough, or so i've heard 570501;1395331248;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R13KRWrbtQQ 570502;1395331248;ozbot;Diablo 2 LoD - Search for Baal - Legendado - YouTube 570503;1395331263;mircea_popescu;possibly best cutscene in the history of cutscenes 570504;1395331271;ThickAsThieves;are there cows? 570505;1395331284;mircea_popescu;nop 570506;1395331287;ThickAsThieves;i d remember this 570507;1395331288;ThickAsThieves;do 570508;1395331299;ThickAsThieves;watched it more than once 570509;1395331304;zoinky;lolol d2 570510;1395331317;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0649 = 0.1947 BTC [-] 570511;1395331318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] 570512;1395331351;ThickAsThieves;is this what your entrance will be like at trilema conference? 570513;1395331397;mircea_popescu;lol 570514;1395331404;mircea_popescu;no, i burrow. 570515;1395331522;ThickAsThieves;em portugues! 570516;1395331583;asciilifeform;see also related, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvILGIIVsMU 570517;1395331709;radan;salut camarazi! 570518;1395331749;radan;dr. popescu invited me to come on here 570519;1395331757;benkay;salut! 570520;1395331902;ThickAsThieves;http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh41ohmb47CPO3axpQ 570521;1395331903;ozbot;Video: Guy Pulls A "Deez Nuts" Joke On The Peoples Court Interviewer 570522;1395331927;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05575199 = 0.223 BTC [-] {3} 570523;1395331928;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0649 = 0.2596 BTC [-] {3} 570524;1395331929;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] {2} 570525;1395331932;asciilifeform;radan: pleased to meet you. 570526;1395331961;asciilifeform;radan: personal friend of mr p ? 570527;1395331988;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05583333 = 0.1675 BTC [+] {2} 570528;1395331989;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0649 = 0.1947 BTC [-] {2} 570529;1395331990;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-] {3} 570530;1395332049;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00365 = 0.1095 BTC [-] {2} 570531;1395332591;ThickAsThieves;http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/facebook-hack/?mbid=social_fb 570532;1395332591;ozbot;Facebook Introduces 'Hack,' the Programming Language Of the Future | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com 570533;1395332620;ThickAsThieves;"You can think of Hack as a new version of PHP." 570534;1395332742;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: herr naggum answers from his grave: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3206985430398054@naggum.net.html 570535;1395332781;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.00085281 = 1.2792 BTC [-] {3} 570536;1395332842;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 746 @ 0.00085281 = 0.6362 BTC [-] {2} 570537;1395332964;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 350 @ 0.00087999 = 0.308 BTC [+] {2} 570538;1395332965;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 20 @ 0.01900161 = 0.38 BTC [-] 570539;1395332984;ThickAsThieves;speaking out of total ignorance, do you have an equally succint link to what makes Lisp the purest of the pure? 570540;1395333025;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 9 @ 0.0190016 = 0.171 BTC [-] 570541;1395333031;ThickAsThieves;succinct* 570542;1395333037;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: there is not, in fact, a programming language called 'lisp', but a large number of langs with various defining characteristics that put them in the category. 570543;1395333066;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: this is described, somewhat abrasively, here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405 570544;1395333105;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: additionally, there exist other 'programmable programming languages' - most famously, 'forth' 570545;1395333179;ThickAsThieves;thx 570546;1395333190;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: here, for instance, is an example of a minimal lisp in ~500 lines of C: https://github.com/qyqx/small-lisp/blob/master/sl3.c 570547;1395333311;ThickAsThieves;is there a Lisp "framework" and "library" or would such be heresy? 570548;1395333336;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: there is an unimaginable abundance of libraries of every description for various lisps 570549;1395333429;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: i'm partial to 'Common Lisp' (ANSI INCITS 226-1994) 570550;1395333472;asciilifeform;if you have a x86, x64, ppc, sparc, alpha, mips: http://sbcl.org 570551;1395333498;asciilifeform;or, if you like commercial support, there are proprietary products like 'Allegro' (franz corp.) 570552;1395333552;benkay;lisps can be found that sit atop most other languages too, ThickAsThieves. there are python lisps, java lisps... 570553;1395333557;ThickAsThieves;mostly i'm just trying to at least have a superficial understanding 570554;1395333601;benkay;if you squint, lean your head sideways and don't work with other javascript developers javascript can be written fairly lispily. 570555;1395333604;asciilifeform;one can sit a minimal, 'academic' lisp on top of virtually anything in 1/2 hr. 570556;1395333614;asciilifeform;but usually people are interested in something that is actually usable 570557;1395333639;asciilifeform;'sbcl,' for instance, runs at close to the speed of compiled 'c' when used intelligently 570558;1395333661;asciilifeform;(it is a pure dynamic compiler - no interpreter at all) 570559;1395333674;ThickAsThieves;so lisp is more a way of speaking, than a language 570560;1395333685;asciilifeform;as described in my brick essay 570561;1395333705;asciilifeform;though the concepts do have a common ancestor (mccarthy, 1958) 570562;1395333755;ThickAsThieves;i see 570563;1395333776;asciilifeform;charlatans have been getting by for decades lifting feature after feature from common lisp 570564;1395333780;asciilifeform;and pitching it as 'new, amazing' 570565;1395333780;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 570566;1395333797;asciilifeform;e.g. garbage collection 570567;1395333808;asciilifeform;dynamic typing 570568;1395333814;asciilifeform;'lambda' 570569;1395333815;asciilifeform;etc. 570570;1395333818;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.0190016 = 0.114 BTC [-] 570571;1395333853;ThickAsThieves;"discovering" things that they didnt realize or acknowledge were long since discovered 570572;1395333869;asciilifeform;computer industry in 1 sentence. 570573;1395334001;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0551 = 0.1653 BTC [-] 570574;1395334002;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0649 = 0.1947 BTC [-] 570575;1395334021;ThickAsThieves;what's this guy on about? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520882.msg5806092#msg5806092 570576;1395334075;benkay;I had this figured out from the first day or so of looking seriously at Bitcoin. It takes you guys including MPOE a while to catch up. 570577;1395334123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-] 570578;1395334165;ThickAsThieves;satoshi is nelson mandela? 570579;1395334342;ThickAsThieves;NSA general counsel Rajesh De told the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board that the PRISM program was carried out with the “full knowledge and assistance of any company from which information is obtained.” The claim, if true, would mean that the many protests from Microsoft, Google, Apple, Yahoo, and other technology companies were factually inaccurate, if not deliberately 570580;1395334343;ThickAsThieves;misleading. 570581;1395334550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.055 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2} 570582;1395334754;asciilifeform;orlov/ua/etc: http://usawatchdog.com/collapse-and-systemic-failure-at-all-levels-coming-to-us-dmitry-orlov 570583;1395334780;asciilifeform;(ignore title, talk isn't about usa) 570584;1395334788;ThickAsThieves;some email spam is so weird... "We intend to import a large number of bullet proof glasses. Could you provide us that? If yes, Please send us more details of your product. Hope we will have the opportunity to cooperate!" 570585;1395334794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 6.65737852 BTC to 21`436 shares, 31057 satoshi per share 570586;1395334849;nubbins`;benkay: what i want is something that doesn't make my eyes bleed 570587;1395334885;nubbins`;it's fine if you want a plaintext-only website, but it doesn't have to be brutally unappealing 570588;1395334952;benkay;that's a *wholly* new claim. 570589;1395334956;ThickAsThieves;how about we just have kako host a b-a BBS and everyone just posts blogs there 570590;1395335069;ThickAsThieves;but nubbins, just try a feed reader 570591;1395335076;ThickAsThieves;Feedly works pretty well for me 570592;1395335089;ThickAsThieves;it even cleans up benkay's text 570593;1395335099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07298987 = 0.292 BTC [+] 570594;1395335151;nubbins`;ehh, feed readers 570595;1395335162;nubbins`;benkay: http://dpaste.com/1747852/ 570596;1395335175;nubbins`;i just halved -- at least -- the height of your footer 570597;1395335182;nubbins`;now it's not taller than the articles 570598;1395335198;benkay;but your eyes aren't bleeding now! 570599;1395335201;benkay;what's the point i say 570600;1395335204;benkay;use a feed reader. 570601;1395335204;nubbins`;oh, they still are 570602;1395335216;nubbins`;mostly because of the needless <h1> post titles 570603;1395335239;benkay;but they're <h1>IMPORTANT</h1> 570604;1395335249;ThickAsThieves;isnt that what h1 is for? 570605;1395335251;nubbins`;and the "previous/next" shit that makes me feel like i'm navigating a shit text dump from some forum archives 570606;1395335257;nubbins`;h1 is for nothing 570607;1395335265;ThickAsThieves;but SEO! 570608;1395335283;ThickAsThieves;how will benkay drive his advertising rates? 570609;1395335286;nubbins`;heh 570610;1395335289;benkay;your poor feels, nubbins`. 570611;1395335299;nubbins`;hey, i'm just trying to help 570612;1395335311;nubbins`;if you insist on keeping "previous/next", at least put it after the article 570613;1395335333;benkay;hm hey great idea 570614;1395335346;nubbins`;well yknow. if i'm reading an article i wanna read an article 570615;1395335354;nubbins`;not go immediately to the previous or next one 570616;1395335433;nubbins`;also FWIW if all your text is at 100%, having a title wrapped in h1 AND setting font-size=250% is nuts 570617;1395335559;dexX7;fyi: there is also a <footer></footer> tag 570618;1395335606;ThickAsThieves;why is there a footer tag? 570619;1395335618;ThickAsThieves;it's just content at the bottom right? 570620;1395335619;benkay;'cause wordpress 570621;1395335623;ThickAsThieves;oh 570622;1395335627;benkay;; 570623;1395335629;benkay;;) 570624;1395335630;dexX7;much seo 570625;1395335659;ThickAsThieves;i learned html back when tables were used for everything, it gets me by 570626;1395335779;asciilifeform;i never understood what problem people have with tables 570627;1395335807;ThickAsThieves;well they are kinda a bitch to make things pretty 570628;1395335823;ThickAsThieves;but really things havent changed much 570629;1395335832;ThickAsThieves;now you can learn divs! and css! 570630;1395335863;ThickAsThieves;css will even let you push things off the page, quite useful 570631;1395335868;ThickAsThieves;:) 570632;1395336014;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0649 = 0.1298 BTC [-] 570633;1395336155;nubbins`;benkay: http://imgur.com/lS5fhxC 570634;1395336161;nubbins`;now isn't that nicer? 570635;1395336179;benkay;wowee 570636;1395336190;benkay;looks great 570637;1395336194;nubbins`;asciilifeform: the problem with tables is that they're meant for tabular data, and using them to guide layout was always a shit-show 570638;1395336205;nubbins`;benkay: you even have a header now ;D 570639;1395336220;benkay;ugh headers 570640;1395336222;nubbins`;before you ask, i butchered the content of that article so it'd fit in a screen grab 570641;1395336225;benkay;ty nubbins`! 570642;1395336232;nubbins`;no sweat 570643;1395336236;nubbins`;image is free, html costs ;p 570644;1395336256;benkay;ofc 570645;1395336289;benkay;nevermind time expense of shoehorning it into this absurd generator 570646;1395336378;nubbins`;if you're feeling really frisky some day, you could even add a date under the article titles 570647;1395336400;nubbins`;but at that rate why not just go full web two point oh, amirite? 570648;1395336432;jcpham;dat css 570649;1395336474;benkay;but i just ripped out all the css 570650;1395336495;benkay;anyways. it'll not make your eyes bleed eventually i promise nubbins`. 570651;1395336496;jcpham;dem stylesheets bro 570652;1395336499;benkay;just no time soon. 570653;1395336578;nubbins`;not all of it ;) 570654;1395336592;nubbins`;and hey, no need to work around my schedule :D 570655;1395336811;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/vdJAD8p.gif 570656;1395336813;benkay;yeah but i care about your eyes 570657;1395336929;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00081418 = 23.8555 BTC [+] {2} 570658;1395336952;nubbins`;if only someone cared about those poor penguins D; 570659;1395337067;nubbins`;"So, Fred’s gone to live with the big fag-hater in the sky." 570660;1395337068;nubbins`;heh 570661;1395337500;dexX7;so what's the intention with all those non-css stuff? 570662;1395337539;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07298988 = 0.146 BTC [+] 570663;1395337811;ThickAsThieves;purity? 570664;1395337872;dexX7;hm. fair enough. 570665;1395337905;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60102408 BTC [-] 570666;1395337906;ThickAsThieves;http://gmailblog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/staying-at-forefront-of-email-security.html 570667;1395337907;ozbot;Official Gmail Blog: Staying at the forefront of email security and reliability: HTTPS-only and 99. 570668;1395337951;ThickAsThieves;"Starting today, Gmail will always use an encrypted HTTPS connection when you check or send email. Gmail has supported HTTPS since the day it launched, and in 2010 we made HTTPS the default. Today's change means that no one can listen in on your messages as they go back and forth between you and Gmail’s servers—no matter if you're using public WiFi or logging in from your computer, 570669;1395337951;ThickAsThieves;phone or tablet. 570670;1395337951;ThickAsThieves;In addition, every single email message you send or receive—100% of them—is encrypted while moving internally. This ensures that your messages are safe not only when they move between you and Gmail's servers, but also as they move between Google's data centers—something we made a top priority after last summer’s revelations." 570671;1395338149;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.01863381 = 0.3913 BTC [-] {3} 570672;1395338210;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.018 = 0.144 BTC [-] 570673;1395338393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 0.94547500 BTC to 320`500 shares, 295 satoshi per share 570674;1395338576;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 971 @ 0.00352872 = 3.4264 BTC [-] {14} 570675;1395338638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62923217 = 3.1462 BTC [+] {4} 570676;1395338881;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 253 @ 0.00047505 = 0.1202 BTC [+] 570677;1395339003;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0648975 = 0.5192 BTC [-] {2} 570678;1395339004;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 203 @ 0.0035 = 0.7105 BTC [-] {3} 570679;1395339198;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/20/5529700/starbucks-wine-beer-expanding-thousands-stores 570680;1395339199;ozbot;Your Starbucks barista is about to become your bartender | The Verge 570681;1395339206;ThickAsThieves;maybe they'll start renting beds too 570682;1395339390;ThickAsThieves;they can "partner" with Uber for cab rides home too 570683;1395339394;ThickAsThieves;such synergy! 570684;1395339402;ThickAsThieves;The App Life 570685;1395339552;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 213 @ 0.0035 = 0.7455 BTC [-] {2} 570686;1395339589;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5797749#msg5797749 570687;1395339591;ozbot;Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] 570688;1395339938;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5808071#msg5808071 570689;1395339940;ozbot;Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] 570690;1395340232;nubbins`;dexX7: sort of like how some people prefer to drive around in cars with unpainted, boxy chassis 570691;1395340242;nubbins`;so as not to distract from the joy of driving 570692;1395340406;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.0034103 = 0.4263 BTC [-] {2} 570693;1395340467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 172 @ 0.00333562 = 0.5737 BTC [-] {6} 570694;1395340711;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.00322069 = 0.3704 BTC [-] {3} 570695;1395341374;Duffer1;dexx7 around? 570696;1395341379;dexX7;yes 570697;1395341428;Apocalyptic;<hearn> dogecoin is so cute. it's actually one of my favourite alts by this point << dat hearn 570698;1395341484;benkay;dorp horp 570699;1395341505;Apocalyptic;moreover I think he's being serious 570700;1395341520;ThickAsThieves;what chan does he speak in? 570701;1395341523;ThickAsThieves;dev? 570702;1395341528;Apocalyptic;yes 570703;1395341563;ThickAsThieves;might as well ditch #bitcoin-analysis and start lurking there 570704;1395341565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.60079339 = 5.4071 BTC [-] {6} 570705;1395341575;HeySteve2;he'll talk about that but not my wallet disappearing in 0.9 570706;1395341585;benkay;what's that, HeySteve2?? 570707;1395341665;HeySteve2;having a bit of a prob with upgrade 570708;1395341680;HeySteve2;it can't seem to read my datadir any more 570709;1395341785;Apocalyptic;ThickAsThieves, you're not missing anything substantial by not lurking there 570710;1395341791;Apocalyptic;tech talk and derps 570711;1395341840;benkay;HeySteve2: are you able to read it with an old version? 570712;1395341940;ThickAsThieves;i at least like the idea of having direct access to hearn & co 570713;1395341970;HeySteve2;benkay, will try that... 570714;1395341972;benkay;HeySteve2: get in touch later - i gotta run to a client meeting. 570715;1395342082;HeySteve2;well old version sees my funds at least, but the chain isn't indexed 570716;1395342173;ThickAsThieves;yknow if you are loading into a new wallet it wont see your funds accurately til it's done syncing 570717;1395342451;HeySteve2;well it saw them the first time I ran them, and was updating from 3 weeks back 570718;1395342476;HeySteve2;then I shut it and reopened, it sees no blocks no unconfirmed 570719;1395342491;HeySteve2;at least previous version sees unconfirmed transactions, but it's 150 weeks behind 570720;1395342541;ThickAsThieves;let both fully sync 570721;1395342561;HeySteve2;well I've taken off 0.9, it's poison :P 570722;1395342660;kakobrekla;that bad eh 570723;1395342795;HeySteve2;well pretty inconvenient 570724;1395342917;ThickAsThieves;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rGZmLDqXZM&feature=youtu.be 570725;1395342918;ozbot;Cognitive Shareholder Proxy - YouTube 570726;1395343032;kakobrekla;reminds me of 'deathbylollipop' if anyone here even remembers that guy 570727;1395343090;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1154 @ 0.0032202 = 3.7161 BTC [-] {4} 570728;1395343104;kakobrekla;ah, i mean highlevelminer 570729;1395343163;kakobrekla;aka n0n00dz4u 570730;1395343220;mod6;lol @ n0n00dz4u 570731;1395343244;*;mod6 remembers 570732;1395343478;kakobrekla;apparently he OD'ed in june 2013 570733;1395343485;mod6;really? 570734;1395343494;kakobrekla;http://twitter.com/deathbylollipop 570735;1395343495;ozbot;Shao Ling (deathbylollipop) on Twitter 570736;1395343495;mod6;last I remember he called us all nigerians and left 570737;1395343515;kakobrekla;tweets are on crack 570738;1395343520;kakobrekla;pics would agree. 570739;1395343539;mod6;dang, dude chewed his hands something awful 570740;1395343626;kakobrekla;ok, dead or in jail. 570741;1395343685;mod6;yeah mia for sure. 570742;1395343777;kakobrekla;http://twitter.com/deathbylollipop/status/198159670387544064 570743;1395343777;ozbot;Twitter / deathbylollipop: Check out http://t.co/p0d0y0PE. ... 570744;1395343778;kakobrekla;#win 570745;1395343890;mod6;heh 0 vids. 570746;1395343903;mod6;failure to lauch 570747;1395343907;mod6;*launch 570748;1395343993;kakobrekla;http://bitcointa.lk/threads/deathbylollipop-youtube-nightclub-bitcoin-campaign.50590/ 570749;1395343994;ozbot;Deathbylollipop youtube/nightclub bitcoin campaign | Bitcointa.lk 570750;1395344006;kakobrekla;sorry i bring this up now, just so nostalgic... 570751;1395344014;kakobrekla;>>Let me know guys... no malware downloads this time :) 570752;1395344068;mod6;I looked for your IPO that you had stated was already setup, but couldn't find it. Where can I send my BTC ? << shuaddup & take my precious BTC! 570753;1395344096;kakobrekla;dunno if dude managed to open a btc wallet 570754;1395344102;nubbins`;where, indeed, can one send one's btc? 570755;1395344127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 9400 @ 0.00311047 = 29.2384 BTC [-] {39} 570756;1395344154;mod6;he ipo'd on ye ole global scam exchange, along with TEST 570757;1395344203;mod6;well, guess maybe it never made it out of the sandbox. still. lollerskates. 570758;1395344312;dub;obvious scammer, dude had no forehead 570759;1395344375;ThickAsThieves;The engineer was caught after the blogger emailed Microsoft to confirm the authenticity of the leaked Windows 8 code. Investigators at the firm then reportedly looked through the blogger’s hotmail account and instant messenger chats to identify the source of the leak, and found an email from Kibaklo. 570760;1395344395;mod6;WE can put direct links to your businesses in the description of said video as well as get some girls to say " [your business name here] is great!!" while dressed up in fancy clothes and out on the town. << hahaha 570761;1395344432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00361997 = 3.62 BTC [+] {15} 570762;1395344554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0553005 = 0.1106 BTC [-] {2} 570763;1395344555;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.018 = 0.216 BTC [-] 570764;1395344573;novusordo;no malware downloads this time? 570765;1395344583;novusordo;as in, he uploaded malware for people to download previously? 570766;1395344597;kakobrekla;yup 570767;1395344615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 156 @ 0.0113785 = 1.775 BTC [-] {8} 570768;1395344616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00364073 = 0.1966 BTC [+] {3} 570769;1395344677;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.01067 = 0.1067 BTC [-] {3} 570770;1395344822;dub;ThickAsThieves: place I worked would routinely snoop peoples gmail/hotmail passwords and go digging for shit related to performance issues 570771;1395344844;ThickAsThieves;maybe so, but they snooped the blogger 570772;1395344850;ThickAsThieves;not an employee 570773;1395344872;dub;I bet ToS allows it 570774;1395344885;ThickAsThieves;does law? 570775;1395344920;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0032 = 0.32 BTC [-] {4} 570776;1395344997;kakobrekla;yup its in the tos, under 'terrorist' 570777;1395345028;nubbins`;heh. 570778;1395345042;nubbins`;tos = terrorist of suspicion 570779;1395345387;BingoBoingo;http://gawker.com/bitcoin-trading-exchange-spurns-thirsty-sec-1547952895 570780;1395345388;ozbot;Bitcoin Trading Exchange Spurns Thirsty SEC 570781;1395345591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.062 = 1.302 BTC [-] {2} 570782;1395345642;Duffer1;"online bitcoin trading exchange" 570783;1395345665;asciilifeform;loltron. 570784;1395345775;BingoBoingo;Still, better writeup than Bloomberg 570785;1395345953;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: are you coming to mp's party? 570786;1395345964;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not this year 570787;1395346024;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you know, there will be generic humans there, not just guest speakers 570788;1395346076;BingoBoingo;Sure, but passports, petty spats with local authorities 570789;1395346144;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: trapped in u.s. ? 570790;1395346198;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: might want to work on fixing this, if only for practice. 570791;1395346247;BingoBoingo;Of sorts, at least until May. I suppose I could drive to a North American border and walk if something urgent, but... This thing with the neighboring county still needs to play out 570792;1395346323;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/wqV5MuV 570793;1395346323;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 570794;1395346327;nubbins`;just got some mail :D 570795;1395346356;asciilifeform;nubbins`: what is unusual about this printer? 570796;1395346368;nubbins`;wide-format 570797;1395346372;asciilifeform;aha 570798;1395346390;nubbins`;can also print on optical discs! 570799;1395346405;nubbins`;we already have one of these with an all-black CIS hooked up, for printing films 570800;1395346410;nubbins`;this one will be for color prints 570801;1395346433;nubbins`;sadly, i dropped the ball and only ordered the color CIS kit today 570802;1395346451;asciilifeform;what's it for? propaganda? 570803;1395346462;ThickAsThieves;posters and proofs probly 570804;1395346581;nubbins`;^ 570805;1395346586;nubbins`;all three, i suppose 570806;1395346599;nubbins`;altho silkscreen printing is a better medium for propaganda 570807;1395346632;nubbins`;we do occasionally get requests from people who want digital prints tho, and it's kind of silly to own a print shop that doesn't have a color printer 570808;1395347299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 759 @ 0.00321635 = 2.4412 BTC [-] {5} 570809;1395347421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0559999 = 0.112 BTC [-] 570810;1395347482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.056 = 1.12 BTC [+] {3} 570811;1395349007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0568992 = 0.2845 BTC [+] {2} 570812;1395349800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00320566 = 0.6411 BTC [-] {4} 570813;1395349922;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 504 @ 0.00100608 = 0.5071 BTC [-] {5} 570814;1395350390;Namworld;Actual conversation with the irrelevant chatter filtered out. People were talking about making a leveraged trading platforms for altcoins. Advice falling on deaf ears. 570815;1395350469;Namworld;[17:06] <Namworld> I'm a noob coder. I could maybe have patched up something in a few months, pretended I knew what I was doing and lost customers funds, making tons of money meanwhile. But I'm not a self-centered, over-confident, can-never-fail asshat, 570816;1395350469;Namworld;[17:09] <Namworld> I know basic PHP and just barely touched database. I made a microapp for fun, that just tracks views and clicks and banners, for a banner exchange. Without any user interface or accounts capability. Just the script for the banners + tracking. 570817;1395350469;Namworld;[17:09] <Namworld> If I had patched up an exchange with added complexity and everything, it would probably have been a security disaster. 570818;1395350469;Namworld;[17:10] <TheMediator> Namworld, how long would it take you to get together something VERY simple so that like 10 of us could trade on it 570819;1395350469;Namworld;[17:10] <TheMediator> I can host and such 570820;1395350469;Namworld;[17:11] <Namworld> Dangerous thing, it took only a few hours to learn how to do. Making an exchange is in the reach of any moron willing to put a few days to learn how to and a month or two to code it full time. 570821;1395350469;Namworld;[17:12] <Namworld> That's why you can't trust any website that comes up with a Bitcoin service. Even if it looks nice. 570822;1395350470;Namworld;[17:12] <deup> that is why there are a bunch of exchanges 570823;1395350472;Namworld;[17:12] <Namworld> You can't audit the code. 570824;1395350472;Namworld;[17:12] <TheMediator> its up to you namworld. If you think you can make it happen, we can use it as a base. 570825;1395350472;Namworld;[17:12] <TheMediator> and expand from there 570826;1395350472;Namworld;[17:12] <TheMediator> I think we have enough experience between the regulars where we could take turns hacking the exchange until we get it fairly secure 570827;1395350484;Namworld;I probably should have pastbin'ed that 570828;1395350488;Apocalyptic;^ 570829;1395350585;Apocalyptic;who are these guys anyway ? 570830;1395350604;Namworld;The generic BTC crowd. 570831;1395350651;Namworld;Those that are on trading IRC channels talking about their profits and loss and speculating. 570832;1395350654;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-] 570833;1395350959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00082011 = 10.4974 BTC [+] 570834;1395351114;dexX7;what do you want to trade? 570835;1395351203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [-] {3} 570836;1395351312;Namworld;No, the currency trading channels 570837;1395351385;Namworld;Not about trading between users, literally the channels where they just talk about what they're doing, why they think price is headed that or that way and such. 570838;1395351405;Namworld;I'm not trading anything, I just have like 20+ IRC channels open about Bitcoin. 570839;1395351646;Apocalyptic;Namworld, you mean -pricetalk ? 570840;1395351724;Namworld;not specifically, there's like 3-4 other channels like pricetalk. 570841;1395351804;Namworld;At least for those with 30-50 users or more. 570842;1395351976;daybyter;like #cryptoforex, or so? 570843;1395352012;Namworld;or #bitcointraders or #bitcoin-analysis and etc 570844;1395352025;daybyter;so you don't trade anything, but wanna know why the price went up or down? 570845;1395352046;daybyter;maybe read goomboo's journal, or so? 570846;1395352066;daybyter;but why should you care if the price goes up or down? 570847;1395352255;Namworld;Who said I cared? I just have many BTC related channels opened at all time. On the plus side, those channels tend to be quick to link any article related to Bitcoin. 570848;1395352569;Ghaleon;if you import a wallet.dat file into bitcoind does it copy over the receiving addresses? everything that I have read says IT WILL NOT COPY over receiving addresses.... 570849;1395352588;Ghaleon;opps wrong room sorry 570850;1395353460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00557881 = 0.2789 BTC [+] {2} 570851;1395353809;yeye_;gg mp 570852;1395354192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00338245 = 0.2537 BTC [-] {2} 570853;1395354486;benkay;;;later tell HeySteve2 didja fixit? 570854;1395354486;gribble;The operation succeeded. 570855;1395354802;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.062998 = 0.126 BTC [+] 570856;1395354849;benkay;;;echo ℳ 570857;1395354849;gribble;ℳ 570858;1395354854;benkay;wowee 570859;1395355147;phf;not quite 570860;1395355152;phf;;;re m/./ ℳ 570861;1395355152;gribble; 570862;1395355189;benkay;o hai phf 570863;1395355236;phf;hello, benkay 570864;1395355274;benkay;what brings you 'round these parts? 570865;1395355392;phf;taking in the bitcoin knowledge 570866;1395355437;bitcoinpete;benkay: pronouns co-rrected 570867;1395355458;benkay;a neat 570868;1395355464;benkay;pro-rected 570869;1395355467;benkay;e-rected! 570870;1395355471;benkay;i'll erect some pronouns. 570871;1395355487;bitcoinpete;rect-imediated 570872;1395355534;benkay;rectumfied 570873;1395355581;bitcoinpete;nice 570874;1395355594;benkay;bitcoinpete 570875;1395355604;benkay;rectumfying pronouns 570876;1395355632;bitcoinpete;since spring 2014 570877;1395355705;benkay;so hey bitcoinpete do you know mardlin? 570878;1395355722;bitcoinpete;i don't… who is he? 570879;1395355731;benkay;another lifeboater 570880;1395355749;benkay;can't tell if actual fraternity or weird internet thing 570881;1395355768;bitcoinpete;blech, i have no idea either. regretting it now 570882;1395355772;benkay;HAW 570883;1395355794;benkay;reputational dependency management. 570884;1395355818;bitcoinpete;pretty mucho 570885;1395355841;bitcoinpete;worse than linkedin by my estimation 570886;1395355841;benkay;here's a blog post for ya: "the only dependency in your reputational toolchain should be gpg" 570887;1395355875;bitcoinpete;well, and a blog 570888;1395355885;benkay;mebbe. 570889;1395355888;benkay;bloggin's hard. 570890;1395355913;benkay;subject of 570891;1395355916;benkay;;;ident bitcoinpete 570892;1395355917;gribble;Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified. 570893;1395355921;benkay;;;gettrust bitcoinpete 570894;1395355921;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: never 570895;1395355992;bitcoinpete;do i need to do some small transactions to get that graph going or what? 570896;1395356016;benkay;yeah probably 570897;1395356027;benkay;borrow some btc for a week, pay it back 570898;1395356076;bitcoinpete;alrighty then. are you up for a little test run? 570899;1395356089;benkay;what rate are you offering? 570900;1395356118;bitcoinpete;what's standard for a first go? 570901;1395356129;benkay;aren't much by way of standards. 570902;1395356416;benkay;;;ident bitcoinpete 570903;1395356417;gribble;Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified. 570904;1395356440;benkay;;;gpg eauth benkay 570905;1395356441;gribble;Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@71-34-67-232.ptld.qwest.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7 570906;1395356456;benkay;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1b105722fb05618adf22faa71ca8054449e9a726fcc83c785305f0ff 570907;1395356457;gribble;You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7 570908;1395356464;ThickAsThieves;buy some ATC 570909;1395356470;ThickAsThieves;thats a good easy way 570910;1395356501;bitcoinpete;;;gpg eauth bitcoinpete 570911;1395356502;gribble;Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/165749929F9A6BDD 570912;1395356521;kakobrekla;>The Company may, by written notice to any Members, suspend payment of withdrawal proceeds to such Members if the Member Manager reasonably deems it necessary to do so to comply with anti-money laundering laws and regulations applicable to the Company or any of the Company’s service providers, or due to circumstances beyond its control, including but not limited to general civil disturbance or September 11, 2001 type events. 570913;1395356538;kakobrekla;seriously, "september 11 TYPE OF EVENTS" 570914;1395356541;benkay;hey i've got cum sircomstances out of your control 570915;1395356544;bitcoinpete;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:30e40cf0a5ed0435f6d19a11c6a1f3bbc5801de1cea9cbac9de2e5a5 570916;1395356544;kakobrekla;facepalm. 570917;1395356545;gribble;You are now authenticated for user bitcoinpete with key 165749929F9A6BDD 570918;1395356606;artifexd;bitcoinpete I can sell you a few ATC if you want to follow ThickAsThieves' advice 570919;1395356997;bitcoinpete;thickasthieves artifexd could we do a btc loan or purchase instead? don't want another client that bad 570920;1395357448;artifexd;;;ident 570921;1395357448;gribble;Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None 570922;1395357730;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.0033 = 0.1254 BTC [-] 570923;1395358137;ThickAsThieves;nubbins`the pretty-much final version http://imgur.com/fpGdBdL 570924;1395359250;ninjashogun;hi 570925;1395359987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06299999 = 0.126 BTC [+] {2} 570926;1395361606;Aquent;so can I buy google shares or other publicly traded companies on mpex? 570927;1395361801;Mats_cd03;no 570928;1395361817;Aquent;oh 570929;1395361817;kakobrekla;only amazon 570930;1395361835;kakobrekla;err i ment myspace 570931;1395361840;Aquent;lol 570932;1395361850;Mats_cd03;try looking at the site instead of asking stupid questions 570933;1395361858;Aquent;I did 570934;1395361875;Aquent;didnt explain about what shares you can buy I think 570935;1395361894;kakobrekla;did ya see S.GOOG there? 570936;1395361941;Mats_cd03;its fairly clear, there is a contract for every enterprise 570937;1395361968;Aquent;ohh sorry I was looking at the faq 570938;1395361977;Aquent;so the shares on the home page are the only traded shares? 570939;1395362074;kakobrekla;yes 570940;1395362101;Mats_cd03;the heading says stocks followed by tables of data 570941;1395362106;Aquent;why not put on public companies like 570942;1395362112;Mats_cd03;exercise some brain power 570943;1395362118;Mats_cd03;ok i give up 570944;1395362122;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0559999 = 0.392 BTC [-] 570945;1395362124;Aquent;lol 570946;1395362146;Aquent;dude its 12:40 pm here i got no brain left 570947;1395362166;Aquent;just wondering whats so good about mpex that anyone pays 30 btc for it 570948;1395362169;kakobrekla;you should get up later 570949;1395362198;Aquent;am* 570950;1395362204;Mats_cd03;you should be required to pay .01btc to talk in this channel 570951;1395362214;kakobrekla;per word 570952;1395362219;Mats_cd03;it would help in filtering dummies 570953;1395362261;kakobrekla;Aquent you can use coinbr instead 570954;1395362305;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.0032999 = 0.1419 BTC [+] 570955;1395364135;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.59567897 = 11.9136 BTC [-] {9} 570956;1395364756;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/20/a-crypto-sting-operation-to-find-crypto-currency/?mod=WSJBlog 570957;1395364757;ozbot;A Crypto-Sting Operation to Find Crypto-Currency - MoneyBeat - WSJ 570958;1395364783;Mats_cd03;is bitfinex a good exchange 570959;1395364806;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 289 @ 0.00596359 = 1.7235 BTC [-] {7} 570960;1395364989;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00325 = 0.1105 BTC [-] {2} 570961;1395365004;ThickAsThieves;i dont think it has a good rep around here 570962;1395365050;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00323429 = 0.3202 BTC [-] {5} 570963;1395365255;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves, pretty sick! i like it 570964;1395365356;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00084498 = 25.5184 BTC [+] {2} 570965;1395365427;dignork;lol, "unspecified amounts of bitcoins are being moved, sometimes in fractions of a single bitcoin, into multiple accounts overseas". what do they smoke? 570966;1395365448;ThickAsThieves;was shaky on the rocky horror font, but it seems to work 570967;1395365473;ThickAsThieves;it's free thing with little planning, so not bad in that sense 570968;1395365486;ThickAsThieves;but the guys were happy with it too 570969;1395365504;ThickAsThieves;i'll connect you with music when it's ready too 570970;1395365548;nubbins`;i'm partial to that sort of font -- from the pink eye archives: http://imgur.com/Ompvb3G 570971;1395365556;LordPutin;who know what ilearned from thiswhole trendon shavers deposition is that youneed to have a good online username like "mymothersasshole" or something...."So you spoke with my mothers asshole on the 10th of Jan last year, is thatcorrect?" 570972;1395365562;nubbins`;awesome, i'd love to hear it 570973;1395365908;mike_c;lol. do you know mymothersasshole's real name? 570974;1395366087;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7814 @ 0.00084098 = 6.5714 BTC [-] 570975;1395366756;LordPutin;didn't ukyo from bitfunder already use thistypeof scam - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20x0ww/mtgox_announces_they_actually_still_owned_200000/ 570976;1395366777;Ukyo;heh. 570977;1395366820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3283 @ 0.00083917 = 2.755 BTC [-] 570978;1395367889;ThickAsThieves;Ukyo how come you hng out still but have no updates :( 570979;1395367892;ThickAsThieves;hang* 570980;1395368031;LordPutin;to make it seem like he hasn't done a runner? 570981;1395368039;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.056999 = 0.114 BTC [+] {2} 570982;1395368100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.056999 = 0.171 BTC [+] {2} 570983;1395368283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00084638 = 14.5577 BTC [+] 570984;1395368527;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.057 = 0.171 BTC [+] {3} 570985;1395368701;Ukyo;Or perhaps there are no updates? 570986;1395368715;Ukyo;Kinda hard to give what doesnt exist. 570987;1395369077;mircea_popescu;"Whenever some new and insightful piece of #bitcoin writing appears, I now automatically look for connection to @Mircea_Popescu" 570988;1395369087;mircea_popescu;twitter love, reddit hate. it's like the interwebs autobalance. 570989;1395369146;Duffer1;odd that the one facilitating less dialogue shows more love 570990;1395369177;mircea_popescu;i suspect it's more to do with ownership structure. 570991;1395369205;mircea_popescu;one's a dinky disqus-equivalent owned by conde nast. the other's a facebook-wannabe still in the cool vc phase. 570992;1395369437;Duffer1;how are you Ukyo? 570993;1395369564;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00084734 = 5.7195 BTC [+] 570994;1395369686;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.057 = 0.171 BTC [+] {3} 570995;1395369747;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.093669 = 0.1873 BTC [+] {2} 570996;1395369808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6617 @ 0.00084572 = 5.5961 BTC [-] 570997;1395369931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.0033 = 0.132 BTC [+] 570998;1395370313;mircea_popescu;jurov yeah, how was it 570999;1395370662;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22574 @ 0.00084347 = 19.0405 BTC [-] {2} 571000;1395370958;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves pretty incredible shit. so microsoft is playing nsa nao ? 571001;1395370975;mircea_popescu;no wonder the doj is claiming prism has full support from the usg-controlled corps a la google yahoo etc 571002;1395371018;mircea_popescu;whoa, gawker ? mp in gawker ? what has this world come to. 571003;1395371089;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.057 = 0.171 BTC [+] 571004;1395371100;mircea_popescu;did anyone have trouble loading trilema today ? 571005;1395371122;asciilifeform;dept of software. 571006;1395371138;asciilifeform;mp in washington post! 571007;1395371150;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.057 = 0.114 BTC [+] 571008;1395371177;asciilifeform;http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/03/20/sec-gets-on-the-bitcoin-investigation-bandwagon 571009;1395371177;ozbot;SEC gets on the Bitcoin investigation bandwagon 571010;1395371247;mircea_popescu;well, i guess there's going to be a steady stream of journo people coming in here these days 571011;1395371251;mircea_popescu;be nice to the noobs. 571012;1395371745;ninjashogun;hi mircea_popescu 571013;1395371751;ninjashogun;just read this scrollback for a sec 571014;1395371755;chetty;"After giving her a verbal spanking, he did leave room for future cooperation:" 571015;1395371756;ninjashogun;hi again asciilifeform 571016;1395371766;ninjashogun;where it says on your link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/03/20/sec-gets-on-the-bitcoin-investigation-bandwagon/) : 571017;1395371782;ninjashogun;But then he said he wanted a bunch of impossible (at least in the near term) stuff before the two could talk frankly, including an SEC determination that it lacks jurisdiction over Bitcoin. 571018;1395371803;ninjashogun;is that a direct quote? Whose voice is this sentence in? 571019;1395371921;Duffer1;it's a summary of statements made in the email exchange between MP and the SEC 571020;1395371957;Duffer1;http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/ 571021;1395371957;ozbot;Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 571022;1395371995;Duffer1;mircea_popescudid anyone have trouble loading trilema today ? >> my cookie has disappeared is that what you're referring to? 571023;1395372065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17613 @ 0.00084139 = 14.8194 BTC [-] 571024;1395372100;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 no, im referring to a bunch of news outlets linking it 571025;1395372110;mircea_popescu;trying to discern if any slashdot effect 571026;1395372116;Duffer1;Expires: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:49:14 PM 571027;1395372117;Duffer1;odd 571028;1395372118;ninjashogun;ok 571029;1395372119;mircea_popescu;since i missed the chance back when slashdot linked it 571030;1395372145;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, what do you think the end-game will be? 571031;1395372155;ninjashogun;will btc be "internet points" or will it be a currency? 571032;1395372162;ninjashogun;for the purposes of the SEC etc 571033;1395372274;Duffer1;derp i fixed it 571034;1395372337;mircea_popescu;Namworld so you're making exchanges for noobs nao? 571035;1395372343;Duffer1;it's already a currency ninja 571036;1395372371;mircea_popescu;g_forcewinds ello. 571037;1395372375;g_forcewinds;hi 571038;1395372380;mircea_popescu;;;later tell yeye_ cheers. 571039;1395372380;gribble;The operation succeeded. 571040;1395372391;g_forcewinds;haven't used freenode before so pardon any etiquette mistakes here please 571041;1395372396;mircea_popescu;g_forcewinds you'll be fine. 571042;1395372414;mircea_popescu;so one thing is that i didn't dispute the legality of the sec's request, i asked them to establish it. 571043;1395372426;g_forcewinds;hmm seems an issue of semantics 571044;1395372428;mircea_popescu;there's an important difference here, i am in no position to dispute anything yet. 571045;1395372440;mircea_popescu;well actually, it's a fundamental issue of law which somehow seems lost on the journalistic profession 571046;1395372455;mircea_popescu;some guy wanted me how do i know i didn't break any laws. 571047;1395372457;ninjashogun;g_forcewinds, not really. Like if you say, "Hi, could you tell me what I'm being arrested for" it's not the same as saying "I'm disputing this arrets, you're detaining me unlawfully!" 571048;1395372473;mircea_popescu;that's not how laws work. i don't declare that i broke no laws, and i don't contest the authority of some random person making demands. 571049;1395372494;mircea_popescu;it works the other way around : i don't argue the negative, they make the statements that establish the positive. 571050;1395372512;g_forcewinds;so how you would characterize your email exchange with the SEC? 571051;1395372527;mircea_popescu;the sec couldn't decide if it wants to be friends or it wants to be an authority. 571052;1395372536;mircea_popescu;i indicated to them that they have to make this choice, and how to go about being friends. 571053;1395372536;g_forcewinds;indeed 571054;1395372548;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't presume to tell them how to be authoritative, i imagine they have lawyers that can sort it out. 571055;1395372565;mircea_popescu;either way, i'm not denying or arguing or anything else. someone calls you on the phone, you ask "who is this" 571056;1395372574;g_forcewinds;but you did question their authority to ask for those documents etc and asked them to show what legal basis they h ad for doing so, yes? 571057;1395372602;mircea_popescu;that "and" doesn't work. i didn't question anything, i asked them the traditional quo warranto. 571058;1395372606;mircea_popescu;show your right. 571059;1395372609;Duffer1;http://trilema.com/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/ 571060;1395372610;ozbot;The reasons why Bitcoin securities can’t be regulated by the SEC pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Po 571061;1395372666;mircea_popescu;that aside : what makes you judge we're talking about "A bunch of impossible" ? 571062;1395372705;g_forcewinds;Thanks for clarifying your perspective Mircea. I'll be sure to reach out if I you end up in a story again. What's the best way to get in touch? FYI I work at night 571063;1395372709;asciilifeform;anyone recall the u.s. supreme court case which proclaimed that barter in grain is taxable? 571064;1395372714;mircea_popescu;this is by far the best way 571065;1395372739;asciilifeform;these buggers truly imagine themselves masters of the universe 571066;1395372743;asciilifeform;not merely of dollar 571067;1395372748;asciilifeform;and have, since '30s 571068;1395372767;ninjashogun;good night guys 571069;1395372767;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's a major difference there too. the grain case (and the oranges cove case which is used to teach kids about the sec) all discuss actual items of value. 571070;1395372774;g_forcewinds;my impossible i meant that it takes a long time for the SEC to make a determination like whether they are going to regulate. I could be wrong, but I think a public comment period is required 571071;1395372776;asciilifeform;or the u.s. proclamation of extraterritorial jurisdiction of any submarine not carrying a flag 571072;1395372780;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of difference between trading oranges and trading monopoly money. 571073;1395372783;asciilifeform;or of nuclear weapons 571074;1395372794;asciilifeform;(all in federal law, on the books, plain as daylight) 571075;1395372798;mircea_popescu;g_forcewinds well, yes, but they do have the help of the fed and gao already making similar determinations. 571076;1395372815;g_forcewinds;that doesnt speed up their own determination though 571077;1395372816;mircea_popescu;as far as i know this matter has been discussed in their comission already, and they're working towards a decision 571078;1395372829;mircea_popescu;well ok, but that'd have been a prime spot to crack the story you know ? 571079;1395372839;mircea_popescu;go hunt down the comissioners and ask them pointed q's about exactly this. 571080;1395372872;g_forcewinds;I'd love to chat further but at the moment I must run. I'm at work and have stories to write. Hope to chat again soon. 571081;1395372877;mircea_popescu;later! 571082;1395372881;asciilifeform;ianal. but it would surprise me greatly if the matter is settled in such a way as for usg to tell itself to pound sand 571083;1395372887;g_forcewinds;If I see any commissioners when Im up at 3am ill be sure to ask them ;-) 571084;1395372897;mircea_popescu;what time is it there now anyway 571085;1395372921;Duffer1;11:30 571086;1395372929;Duffer1;pm, east coast 571087;1395372933;mircea_popescu;pa, lime midnight 571088;1395372935;mircea_popescu;yea ok 571089;1395373049;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, such things happen. contrary to what the general public perceives of the government, it does tell itself to go pack sand all the time. 571090;1395373064;mircea_popescu;perhaps not as often as is the case in romania, but definitely a lot more often than is the case in russia or w/e 571091;1395373066;mircea_popescu;china. 571092;1395373077;asciilifeform;sure - people do surrender occasionally. esp. if they aren't paid enough to give a damn. 571093;1395373128;mircea_popescu;nah, not at all what i mean. 571094;1395373529;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.00325183 = 0.6374 BTC [-] {4} 571095;1395373922;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla seriously, "september 11 TYPE OF EVENTS" << yeah, it's a term of art :D 571096;1395373961;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you drew that shit ?! 571097;1395374160;mircea_popescu;LordPutin: what ilearned from thiswhole trendon shavers deposition is that youneed to have a good online username like "mymothersasshole" or something...."So you spoke with my mothers asshole on the 10th of Jan last year, is thatcorrect?" << lol 571098;1395374404;decimation;these journos will make for amusing reading on the log 571099;1395374464;mircea_popescu;it's really shocking to me that i have to explain the basics of law to people writing news o.O 571100;1395374480;decimation;perhaps you can steer one or two to the real lede here - the writ under which USG agencies operate, and the apparently unlimited self-extension of the same 571101;1395374517;mircea_popescu;more likely future, people will start being arrested by the cable company over there. 571102;1395374531;mircea_popescu;"hello sir, we're mailmen. please step out of the car" 571103;1395374556;decimation;"agencies will have to have a public comment period before they grant themselves extraconstitutional authority over a matter" 571104;1395374589;decimation;you didn't go to the hearing at 9am on Thursday? You could have had your say. That's democracy! 571105;1395374607;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo tried that one. 571106;1395374636;decimation;I predict that nothing will happen 571107;1395374644;mircea_popescu;hopefully. 571108;1395374650;mircea_popescu;else, he blogs from jail. 571109;1395374660;decimation;I don't think bitcoin rises high enough on the foreign policy hopper to pressure Romania 571110;1395374751;Duffer1;but terrsm and MONEY LAUNDERING OMG 571111;1395374753;mircea_popescu;romania ? 571112;1395374765;decimation;well, ultimately that's the outcome, right? 571113;1395374766;mircea_popescu;you mean the only country which has a military base which allows the us some sort of semblance of relevancy in the black sea ? 571114;1395374774;mircea_popescu;yeah, definitely, the us is pressuring romania. 571115;1395374778;decimation;exactly 571116;1395374780;mircea_popescu;with... you know... truckloads of cash. 571117;1395374789;decimation;so you are going to have State vs. Defense 571118;1395374848;decimation;early Moldbug is the best on this topic http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.ca/2007/08/secret-of-anti-americanism.html 571119;1395374856;mircea_popescu;(incidentally... without mihail kogalniceanu the afghanistan retreat isn't even all that possible) 571120;1395374875;mircea_popescu;esp not with a rather hostile syria 571121;1395374910;mircea_popescu;http://adevarul.ro/locale/constanta/soldati-1_53112de7c7b855ff56c227aa/index.html 571122;1395374914;mircea_popescu;foir the forensically curious 571123;1395374933;decimation;There are all kinds of logisitical arrangements with "allies" of various kinds which are never mentioned in the US media 571124;1395374989;decimation;reading most US newspapers would lead one to think that the US military just shows up somewhere without any baggage train 571125;1395375010;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 571126;1395375175;decimation;asciilifeform I had a question about Cardano. I assume that measures have been taken to prevent loss of the private key in the case of the failure of a flash chip or bits thereof? 571127;1395375205;decimation;it would be sad to have some bitrot render it unusable (or in an uncertain state) 571128;1395375231;asciilifeform;decimation: cardano is not intended to house your only, 'master' key. 571129;1395375248;asciilifeform;i believe this was described in one of mp's articles. 571130;1395375291;asciilifeform;in the event of damage, or jettison (using 'zap') one is to retrieve a secreted, more senior key (optionally kept on a cardano, or in some other fashion) and sign message to the effect of 'this newly baked cardano key is my new pubkey' 571131;1395375304;asciilifeform;damn do i have to hire my own pr girl now? 571132;1395375313;mircea_popescu;well... hire. 571133;1395375320;mircea_popescu;capture a few. 571134;1395375325;asciilifeform;i spent most of the past half day answering questions that ought to be RTFMs. 571135;1395375343;mircea_popescu;dun hate the playa. 571136;1395375347;asciilifeform;lol 571137;1395375393;decimation;is there a preliminary block diagram available? 571138;1395375429;asciilifeform;decimation: all of the materials presently available to public are on mp's site (with the exception of several photos that live on mine.) 571139;1395375450;asciilifeform;plus some discussions held in this channel (log) 571140;1395375460;Duffer1;http://trilema.com/category/snsa/ 571141;1395375461;ozbot;S.NSA pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 571142;1395375466;asciilifeform;Duffer1: thank you 571143;1395375472;mircea_popescu;probably that category holds 90%+ of the discussion. 571144;1395375479;mircea_popescu;actual block diagrams not released yet iirc ? 571145;1395375486;asciilifeform;at present, it should be more than enough for any prospective buyer to decide whether the product fits his needs 571146;1395375547;*;asciilifeform must be off to bed. 571147;1395375607;decimation;ah, that answers my question, it seems that there will be a single key storage EEprom 571148;1395375621;decimation;I apologize for the bother 571149;1395375650;mircea_popescu;dun worry. 571150;1395375693;Duffer1;imo asking questions is usually better than the alternative 571151;1395375790;mircea_popescu;anyway, decimation : there will be a single key storage eeprom, but the key itself is written quite redundantly on it, 571152;1395375817;mircea_popescu;and other features generally make it improbable a key will be lost. but this level of specific detail is to be you know, put up once the product actually goes for order 571153;1395375832;decimation;okay that was my question. I suspected as much, but I was thinking about possible scenarios today and it occured to me that such a precaution would be wise 571154;1395375838;mircea_popescu;yeah 571155;1395375855;mircea_popescu;there's a diff eeprom for the symetric key, these are physically separate for reasons etc 571156;1395376325;mircea_popescu;http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/20/sec-investigation-of-bitcoin-based-stock-sale/ 571157;1395376326;ozbot;SEC investigation of Bitcoin-based stock sale could lead to broader regulation 571158;1395376362;mircea_popescu;engadget figures the way to do reporting is putting 6 links in two paragraphs, all leading to engadget.com 571159;1395376376;mircea_popescu;then one wonders why nobody heard of them in a while. 571160;1395376396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 311 @ 0.0031659 = 0.9846 BTC [-] {5} 571161;1395376413;decimation;I always feel like I'm reading an advertisement when I visit engadget 571162;1395376511;steven-__;native advertising writing style 571163;1395376579;decimation;"Part of the trouble so far has been nailing down exactly what Bitcoin is. " 571164;1395376589;mircea_popescu;owned by aol, what's one to expect. 571165;1395376600;decimation;I suppose that is troublesome for some... 571166;1395376671;decimation;I was re-reading some other early Moldbug and found this one: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.ca/2007/11/who-heck-is-benn-steil.html 571167;1395376694;decimation;"My test is that a real economist is an economist who believes that any quantity of money is adequate. A quack economist is an economist who believes that increasing prosperity - or even continuing prosperity - demands a continuously increasing quantity of money." 571168;1395376706;mircea_popescu;not a bad test. 571169;1395376733;decimation;no. as usual, his post is overly wordy, but he is writing about bitcoin and he doesn't realize it 571170;1395376775;decimation;"Every nonneutral dilution can be defined as the combination of a neutral redenomination and a nonneutral redistribution. And this is why dilutionists are quacks. Dilutionists are quacks because it is impossible to imagine a way in which the systematic pilfering of wallets could somehow be essential to commerce and industry." 571171;1395376776;mircea_popescu;decimation kind-of explains why he was so butthurt when bitcoin showed up. 571172;1395376782;decimation;oh yeah I agree 571173;1395376785;mircea_popescu;sorta same problem as the average gold bug, except his is more refined. 571174;1395376789;decimation;he said as much in one if his posts 571175;1395376792;mircea_popescu;hopefully he manages to work through teh issue. 571176;1395376822;decimation;well, he should stop trying to make gay navies and start by re-writing the bitcoin client with a real spec 571177;1395376833;mircea_popescu;anyway, i can readily offer a way in which systematic pilfering is essential to commerce and industry. 571178;1395376838;mircea_popescu;here goes : 571179;1395376886;mircea_popescu;society at all times opposes youthful monkeys with aged monkeys. these desire to control the female monkeys, and all the stuff related to this, from cars to stockings. including their means of production and so on, all the way to legislation (which monkey may shave her cunt and show up in garters ? mine or yours ? ) 571180;1395376904;mircea_popescu;by workings of thermodynamics wealth (in all its forms) concentrates with the old 571181;1395376926;mircea_popescu;whereas by workings of biology will (in all its forms) concentrates with the young. 571182;1395376964;mircea_popescu;at any time there will exist a quantity of theft, q. at any time there will also exist a minimal quantity of theft, mq, such that it is more productive for the young to work at commerce and industry to acquire wealth 571183;1395376971;mircea_popescu;than to work at shooting and looting. 571184;1395376979;mircea_popescu;if q < mq there is no commerce and industry. 571185;1395376990;mircea_popescu;if q is mq + epsilon, all is well. 571186;1395377051;mircea_popescu;the study of epsilon and of the means through which q = mq+e may be ensured is then the business of the economist. 571187;1395377072;decimation;This goes to your point about those who flatter USG make out like bandits; while those trying to make money "from the sweat of their brow" end up funding the fortunes of the flatterers 571188;1395377094;mircea_popescu;i guess it may, yeah. 571189;1395377094;benkay;best part of the engaget 'story' is that the world 'currency' is linked and goes to another btc atm. 571190;1395377112;B007;link bait 571191;1395377116;mircea_popescu;benkay they definitely have an editor in charge of being 1990s fucktarded 571192;1395377140;benkay;not uni students majoring in social media? 571193;1395377167;mircea_popescu;undiscernible until she opens her box. 571194;1395377236;decimation;yeah that's a pretty good point. Moldbug has a point about closed currencies, but your point goes to human nature - something that "economists" often famously ignore. 571195;1395377246;mircea_popescu;or pretend to. 571196;1395377427;mircea_popescu;if anyone is so inclined, the immortal balzac has an excellent depiction of the pilfering problem, in his eugenie grandet 571197;1395377442;mircea_popescu;the old folks have shit, the young folks want the shit. negotiation ensues. 571198;1395377458;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, let us quote moliere : 571199;1395377626;mircea_popescu;"Que veux−tu que j'y fasse ? Voilà où les jeunes gens sont réduits par la maudite avarice des pères ; et on s'étonne après cela que les fils souhaitent qu'ils meurent." 571200;1395377647;decimation;I don't have any french, only german. Google translate for me. 571201;1395377678;mircea_popescu;they must have l'avare translated in goetesprache by now 571202;1395377692;decimation;heh 571203;1395377722;mircea_popescu;anyway, "what'd you have me do ? see where young men are reduced by the accursed avarice of their fathers, and they then wonder that sons wish their death" 571204;1395377825;decimation;So to answer Moldbug: Monetary dillusion could be used as a way to reduce crime - by redistributing wealth (just enough) to keep crime down and businesses open 571205;1395377843;mircea_popescu;not a matter of crime. 571206;1395377857;mircea_popescu;to reduce economic inefficiency, by taking from the hands of the savers and putting into the hands of the riskers. 571207;1395377872;B007;bad idea 571208;1395377899;B007;how did the savers get their moeny? 571209;1395377900;mircea_popescu;understand that the most economic way to run the economy - now as during 1614 - is to just turn off all machinery, lock all warehouses and bury the key 571210;1395377904;mircea_popescu;harpagon's approach. 571211;1395377929;decimation;that would surely feed the people with the least input! 571212;1395377932;mircea_popescu;B007 under which system do you ask ? 571213;1395377984;B007;mixed economy 571214;1395378006;mircea_popescu;no. if you mean whether they achieved it legally, im sure htey did. if you mean were they once young, i'm sure they were. 571215;1395378015;mircea_popescu;if you mean, are they taking it with them, they certainly won't. 571216;1395378059;B007;http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/03/20/google_ceo_larry_page_elon_musk_would_get_my_inheritance_over_charity.html 571217;1395378060;ozbot;Google CEO Larry Page: Elon Musk would get my inheritance over charity. 571218;1395378111;mircea_popescu;seems sensible. 571219;1395378139;mircea_popescu;so do you propose that they who have it are the best arbiters of how it should disposed of ? 571220;1395378150;B007;possibly, yes 571221;1395378154;mircea_popescu;perhaps, but argue it to the younguns, not to me. 571222;1395378191;B007;I'd rather that then gov. or charities deciding 571223;1395378211;mircea_popescu;no argument. 571224;1395378215;decimation;in the US hardly any real charity exists 571225;1395378218;benkay;https://www.google.com/#q=mt+gox+missing+bitcoins 571226;1395378218;ozbot;Google 571227;1395378227;decimation;it's barely legal to tell someone 'no' 571228;1395378260;B007;benkay: that whole situation is a lot of wot 571229;1395378265;benkay;such wat 571230;1395378286;Mats_cd03;wut 571231;1395378383;B007;https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/446377308853518337 571232;1395378384;ozbot;Twitter / ID_AA_Carmack: Get in the Oculus DK2 Queue: ... 571233;1395378422;Mats_cd03;they shouldve just built a helmet out of it 571234;1395378435;Mats_cd03;that thing looks too uncomfortable to wear 571235;1395378446;benkay;i'll wait until the pixel density exceeds my ocular resolution, tyvm. 571236;1395378453;B007;helmets are bad for warm climates 571237;1395378458;B007;sweat 571238;1395378470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61998998 BTC [+] 571239;1395378474;Mats_cd03;then they can drill a few holes in there 571240;1395378481;Mats_cd03;install a small fan to move air around 571241;1395378489;mircea_popescu;lmao propellerheads! 571242;1395378509;B007;fanheads 571243;1395378517;Mats_cd03;they solved that problem in CBRNE suits already 571244;1395378532;Mats_cd03;its not that cool, more like a tiny A/C unit inside the gas mask 571245;1395378584;B007;why add all that complexity and cost though 571246;1395378876;benkay;https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Why_I_Never_Hire_Brilliant_Men 571247;1395378877;ozbot;Why I Never Hire Brilliant Men - Wikisource, the free online library 571248;1395379584;mircea_popescu;"A nationwide scam involving fake Internal Revenue Service representatives has already resulted in $1 million being stolen from thousands of unsuspecting victims." 571249;1395379593;mircea_popescu;pretend to be the taxman, even robin hood did that one 571250;1395380182;Mats_cd03;if i wanted to read hn links i would visit hn 571251;1395380391;LordPutin;Ukyo why not say something in thebitcointalk thread just to know....letpeopleknow you still care, if its ok? 571252;1395380666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00084111 = 8.9999 BTC [-] 571253;1395380709;joecool;LordPutin: hey you're alive! 571254;1395380769;mircea_popescu;he's simpleminded sociopath, i read in the washington pravda. 571255;1395380777;LordPutin;i'm alive just more slient than an Obama fart 571256;1395381329;Mats_cd03;heres an idea 571257;1395381345;Mats_cd03;someone create a replacement for full-disclosure that solely utilizes the bitcoin protocol 571258;1395381422;Mats_cd03;id fund dev for that 571259;1395381518;mircea_popescu;then you'll probably want to specify it better. 571260;1395381535;mircea_popescu;you know, to sorely contrast with the bitcoin derpotroll 571261;1395381544;mircea_popescu;s/derpotroll/protocol 571262;1395381886;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.600021 BTC [-] 571263;1395381947;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.06345979 = 0.3173 BTC [-] 571264;1395381948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.057 = 0.57 BTC [+] 571265;1395382008;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.600011 BTC [-] 571266;1395382130;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0575 = 0.5175 BTC [+] {2} 571267;1395382622;Izzy_;hello 571268;1395382688;Izzy_;i'm game to learn about bitcoin 571269;1395382706;mircea_popescu;good for you. 571270;1395382764;Izzy_;step 1? 571271;1395382801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0575 = 0.115 BTC [+] 571272;1395382802;mircea_popescu;reading this log can't hurt, may take a while. 571273;1395382812;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/ may also help. 571274;1395382813;ozbot;Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 571275;1395382830;Izzy_;djing on www.openxrptalk.org if you need aural stimulation 571276;1395382834;deerok;how do you find the log 571277;1395382842;Mats_cd03;pseudonymous forum that allows for full disclosure while insulating identity of researchers while maintaining a reputation system 571278;1395382843;deerok;oh 571279;1395382845;deerok;at top sorry 571280;1395382846;mircea_popescu;;;topic 571281;1395382846;gribble;http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com 571282;1395382852;Mats_cd03;pgp would be great 571283;1395382880;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 so simply advertise a gpg key, which people can encrypt to. 571284;1395382891;mircea_popescu;autopublish whatever's sent. 571285;1395382938;Mats_cd03;i suppose its a solved problem after all 571286;1395383007;Izzy_;okay, got this message in my email to have access to your blog "Please send exactly 0.01002637 BTC to 16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3" 571287;1395383012;mircea_popescu;cryptome are also doing a splendid job of it already 571288;1395383018;mircea_popescu;but it never hurts to have redundancy 571289;1395383026;Izzy_;how do i get the btc? 571290;1395383046;mircea_popescu;Izzy_ well normally you mine it, but i guess most people trade or w/e 571291;1395383086;Izzy_;w/e? 571292;1395383098;Izzy_;i can try mining 571293;1395383122;mircea_popescu;w/e = whatever 571294;1395383186;benkay;mircea_popescu: you back atc but don't accept it for trilema credits?! 571295;1395383218;anirgu;nice 571296;1395383224;mircea_popescu;what am i going to do, run an atc wallet ? 571297;1395383246;mircea_popescu;but btw, splendid link. i had not know that. weird. wild. etc. 571298;1395383274;mircea_popescu;"One of the fine traits in human nature is the desire which almost every decent man has to help young men do well." 571299;1395383300;mircea_popescu;this is quite factual. correspondingly, one of the worst traits of human nature is the delusion by which almost every young man imagines the adults wish him ill. 571300;1395383323;Izzy_;is there a step by step sight for future bitcoinistas? 571301;1395383355;anirgu;Amith here from I Have Bitcoins 571302;1395383359;mircea_popescu;Izzy_ what's your line ? 571303;1395383363;mircea_popescu;anirgu hi amith. 571304;1395383374;Izzy_;my line? 571305;1395383385;mircea_popescu;nice formatting, but don't you find that chinese workers example a little bizarre ? 571306;1395383397;mircea_popescu;Izzy_ yes, what did you learn in school and what do you do for a living. 571307;1395383404;benkay;mircea_popescu: by the by, this backus-naur btc network parser is way over my head :( 571308;1395383406;mircea_popescu;are you a fishmonger or a mechanical engineer. 571309;1395383418;benkay;humbly submit for canings etc 571310;1395383423;Izzy_;i studied psychology 571311;1395383427;mircea_popescu;benkay well what, it was supposed to be a huge taks. 571312;1395383487;mircea_popescu;;;later tell moiety Izzy_ something tells me your best entry would be one on one tutoring with moiety. 571313;1395383487;gribble;The operation succeeded. 571314;1395383493;Izzy_;for a living right now, i'm a broadcaster on www.openxrptalk.org - we'll see how far i can take it 571315;1395383507;mircea_popescu;you two seem made for each other. 571316;1395383509;Izzy_;why does there seem to be a divide w/ xrp and bitcoin 571317;1395383517;mircea_popescu;because there is. 571318;1395383541;mircea_popescu;anirgu : that it appears you're proposing the usg regulate the life of chinese workers. 571319;1395383549;Izzy_;who is moeity? 571320;1395383556;mircea_popescu;Izzy_ this scottish chick. 571321;1395383568;benkay;Izzy_: have ye a gpg and wot yet? 571322;1395383573;anirgu;no no no no. didn't want it to come off like that at all 571323;1395383579;mircea_popescu;well... it does. 571324;1395383583;mircea_popescu;at least to my eye. 571325;1395383585;Izzy_;no i don't think so 571326;1395383589;joecool;;;guide 571327;1395383590;gribble;Error: "guide" is not a valid command. 571328;1395383592;anirgu;i wanted to drive home that the USA should not be reuglating nayone 571329;1395383600;mircea_popescu;if anyone wants to give a 2nd oppinion, http://www.ihavebitcoins.com/featured/sec-asked-romanian-bitcoin-ceo-private-data-response/ 571330;1395383603;joecool;hm they removed it 571331;1395383604;Izzy_;tutoring w/ moeity sounds good - how do i get in touch with her 571332;1395383625;mircea_popescu;Izzy_ well i just left her a message above, which is what gribble confirmed. she'll prolly hiot you up if you're around once she shows up 571333;1395383627;mircea_popescu;;;seen moiety 571334;1395383628;gribble;moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 5 hours, and 5 seconds ago: <moiety> i sreepy, good mew all, whatever your timezone! 571335;1395383650;Izzy_;cool thx mircea 571336;1395383732;mircea_popescu;benkay so are you giving it a rest or merely wanted to complain ? 571337;1395383883;benkay;well there's a strategic option that while less tasteful may satisfy 571338;1395383899;benkay;these conformal doods seem to have their heads screwed on straight. 571339;1395383905;benkay;excuse me. 571340;1395383918;benkay;these gentlemen at conformal seem to know what they're doing and going about it in all the right ways. 571341;1395383926;mircea_popescu;seems that way. 571342;1395383929;benkay;are* 571343;1395383937;chetty;yeah the reference to chinese workers needs better explain, could be misunderstood 571344;1395383995;benkay;i'm considering giving my hacky implementation a rest and diving into the work they've done 571345;1395384006;mircea_popescu;this can not hurt. 571346;1395384022;mircea_popescu;in business, stealing is everything. 571347;1395384022;benkay;kinda the thesis, yeah 571348;1395384094;benkay;writing too, i hear. 571349;1395384148;anirgu;ok, that's two. need to reword this... 571350;1395384172;benkay;anyways, hound's tanks appear to be full, and my reserves depleted. updates rendered 571351;1395384198;mircea_popescu;aite. 571352;1395384351;benkay;"leverage". the word i was looking for a few minutes ago. "leverage". 571353;1395384650;mircea_popescu;"Tokyo funds matchmaking parties to boost birth rate" 571354;1395384658;mircea_popescu;then people complain about condomacare. 571355;1395384746;Izzy_;what's up w/ eve isks? 571356;1395384776;Izzy_;i played the game 10 years ago, but just to hear the music 571357;1395384795;Izzy_;so now they have a cryptocurrency? 571358;1395384813;mircea_popescu;not so crypto, but anyway 571359;1395384829;Izzy_;similar concept? or trading/mining? 571360;1395384841;Izzy_;of 571361;1395384901;mircea_popescu;i think it's all backed by stuff you mine out of asteroids, so yea 571362;1395385029;Izzy_;cool 571363;1395385108;cazalla;Japan is boosting the birth rate by bringing diversity to the country 571364;1395385148;mircea_popescu;like what, men who can summon actual erections ? 571365;1395385156;cazalla;can't find the article but it detailed their plan to bring in negroes 571366;1395385167;mircea_popescu;should make decent pronz 571367;1395385195;cazalla;hopefully japanese men have enough sense to grab some rope 571368;1395385279;mircea_popescu;if they didn't bother to grab the soap so far, why'd they muddle with the rope henceforth ? 571369;1395385346;cazalla;given they are xenophobic beyond what i could ever be, i expect them to put up a little more resistance to cultural enrichment than the west has to date 571370;1395385363;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00083912 = 15.9433 BTC [-] 571371;1395385796;mircea_popescu;no man that can't be bothered to fuck the woman cares if she goes astray, srsly nao. 571372;1395385912;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22723 @ 0.0008379 = 19.0396 BTC [-] {2} 571373;1395385912;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.00540004 = 0.378 BTC [-] {3} 571374;1395386034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.0059416 = 0.1545 BTC [-] 571375;1395386095;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1580 @ 0.00013311 = 0.2103 BTC [-] {7} 571376;1395386156;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.60000273 = 9 BTC [-] {3} 571377;1395386370;cazalla;i've no retort to that (as much as i've sat here thinking of one) 571378;1395386548;mircea_popescu;well then i can go to bed 571379;1395386557;chetty;cazalla: cultural enrichment ? hmm 571380;1395386617;cazalla;chetty: send 'em to Israel 571381;1395386653;chetty;the phrase reminds me of 'social justice' 571382;1395386738;cazalla;that's where it comes from 571383;1395386828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21670 @ 0.00083682 = 18.1339 BTC [-] {2} 571384;1395387118;Izzy_;@mircea_popescu g'night - thx for the contact w/ your scottish friend 571385;1395387125;Izzy_;hope to hear from her tonight 571386;1395387479;LordPutin;i hope the ceo of bitcoin gets released onbail tonight so the price goes back up 571387;1395387620;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07001203 = 0.14 BTC [-] 571388;1395388108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00322945 = 0.1292 BTC [+] {2} 571389;1395388170;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.086 = 0.344 BTC [-] {2} 571390;1395388184;cazalla;i need it to stay down for another 5 weeks :\ 571391;1395388188;cazalla;lower would be ideal 571392;1395388231;B007;why's that? 571393;1395388266;cazalla;more coin for my buck 571394;1395388268;benkay;to get more, duh B007 571395;1395388293;benkay;chetty: iirc you've been known to read scifi? 571396;1395388366;benkay;chetty: i'm reading a splendid little space opera set across the solar system. war between mars and the belt, with big rocks waiting in the wings to get tipped down the well. 571397;1395388368;cazalla;benkay: that + my old man is being generous enough to give his kids some $$$ from his own inheritance 571398;1395388411;benkay;cazalla: how does the inheritance play? 571399;1395388433;benkay;oh, I see. you're going to off your father. 571400;1395388439;cazalla;haha not quite 571401;1395388449;cazalla;he's kind enough to give my brother and I a windfall 571402;1395388453;benkay;and the gig is planned for 1.25 months from now. 571403;1395388514;benkay;what do you plan to do with the hoard? 571404;1395388567;benkay;at 12, there was a man ranting in ##econometrics about mortgaging himself to the hilt and going long btc. 571405;1395388569;cazalla;i'm not knocking off the old man 571406;1395388584;cazalla;just putting what he plans to give me into bitcoin 571407;1395388594;benkay;i thought him either a fool if honest, or a sly fox if amping the hysteria. 571408;1395388604;benkay;now might not be a bad time to do the same thing. 571409;1395388649;benkay;don't take it too seriously, now cazalla. 571410;1395388666;Izzy_;could someone explain how i get gpg? 571411;1395388670;benkay;btc's probably the best thing you could do with the stash. 571412;1395388672;cazalla;i don't but i just wish i had the dosh now incase it goes back up in the interim 571413;1395388675;benkay;provided it's a cold wallet. 571414;1395388685;benkay;eh what's the rush. 571415;1395388698;benkay;we're not in insane appreciation mode yet, although spring *is* coming. 571416;1395388708;benkay;the counterargument is that the halvening is many moons from now. 571417;1395388719;cazalla;the rush is that i only appreciate now what i wish i appcreciated 2 years ago 571418;1395388727;benkay;Izzy_: dost thou run windows? *nix? 571419;1395388742;Izzy_;mac osx 571420;1395388750;Izzy_;do i need windows? 571421;1395388750;benkay;type gpg -k at the console 571422;1395388761;benkay;or man gpg, rather. 571423;1395388764;cazalla;i could've had hundreds instead of the plebeian amount i now own 571424;1395388775;cazalla;or thousands 571425;1395388775;Izzy_;ok 571426;1395388777;BingoBoingo;;;google the drinking record GPG guide 571427;1395388778;gribble;PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>; October | 2013 | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/> 571428;1395388795;benkay;ha i was sticking something in the fridge, BingoBoingo. 571429;1395388818;benkay;rest assured that was my next message. 571430;1395388829;Izzy_;hm i can't type into my console 571431;1395388835;chetty;benkay: I haven't time for scfi reading much in a while, anyway real life seems to have caught up, the newspaper is mostly scifi 571432;1395388836;BingoBoingo;benkay: Eh, things happen. 571433;1395388851;benkay;Izzy_: the terminal? 571434;1395388869;benkay;my mistake. console is an actual 'thing' on os x. 571435;1395389042;Izzy_;ok terminal, says command not found 571436;1395389047;Izzy_;just gpg? 571437;1395389057;benkay;man gpg? 571438;1395389074;benkay;oh lord does os x not ship with gpg these days? 571439;1395389121;chetty;does it at least have a package manager? 571440;1395389129;benkay;of course not 571441;1395389136;benkay;http://brew.sh/ 571442;1395389147;chetty;<< Mac clueless 571443;1395389160;benkay;curl2sudoTM 571444;1395389170;benkay;curl2sudo™ 571445;1395389196;benkay;chetty: what's your poison? 571446;1395389240;chetty;linux 571447;1395389255;benkay;*eyeroll* 571448;1395389257;benkay;which flavor? 571449;1395389272;chetty;ubuntu (atm) 571450;1395389354;chetty;I need to do some mac and eep win, to make eulora clients soonish 571451;1395389364;benkay;mhm. 571452;1395389393;benkay;are the assettes being helpful with building? 571453;1395389522;chetty;yup see #eulora :) 571454;1395389633;Izzy_;well if anyone wants to help out a mac user, you can email me @ isabism@gmail.com 571455;1395389666;Izzy_;don't want to clog the forum w/ my tech support needs 571456;1395389667;benkay;;;later tell Izzy_ come back for help sometime 571457;1395389667;gribble;The operation succeeded. 571458;1395389670;Izzy_;thanks 571459;1395389678;Izzy_;ok 571460;1395389680;benkay;not a clog. 571461;1395389816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00082309 = 18.3549 BTC [-] {2} 571462;1395390914;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00082334 = 8.8921 BTC [+] 571463;1395392500;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19076 @ 0.00083248 = 15.8804 BTC [+] 571464;1395395307;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07299958 = 0.949 BTC [+] {4} 571465;1395395550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05460117 = 0.3822 BTC [-] {2} 571466;1395395551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1810 @ 0.00012948 = 0.2344 BTC [-] {4} 571467;1395396587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00083891 = 3.3556 BTC [+] 571468;1395398600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14122 @ 0.00084039 = 11.868 BTC [+] {2} 571469;1395398966;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.06482071 = 0.9075 BTC [+] {5} 571470;1395399088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0546 = 0.1092 BTC [-] 571471;1395399099;Neil;Uh, who's dumping in China? $520 now 571472;1395399149;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38027 @ 0.00084072 = 31.9701 BTC [+] {2} 571473;1395399393;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.59508334 = 10.7115 BTC [-] {6} 571474;1395399430;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 571475;1395399436;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 581.1, vol: 13608.15310689 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 575.999, vol: 7410.23018 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 578.0, vol: 8658.31554504 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 604.0, vol: 598.08691876 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 556.07856, vol: 5220.73100000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 593.65, vol: 13.55627424 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 584.696, vol: 95.10254831 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 571476;1395399617;Neil;Missing huobi; the one with highest vol. 571477;1395399638;Neil;bitstamp catching up... 571478;1395399648;Neil;Huge selling 571479;1395400334;kakobrekla;hedge, quickly, bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ 571480;1395400407;jurov;if gox "finds" anoher 500k that'll be time to hedge 571481;1395400735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07299999 = 0.219 BTC [+] 571482;1395401833;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07299999 = 0.146 BTC [+] 571483;1395402012;Apocalyptic;<zveda> visa/mastercard block russia 571484;1395402015;Apocalyptic;is that confirmed ? 571485;1395402073;kakobrekla;;;google visa/mastercard block russia 571486;1395402074;gribble;​Visa, Mastercard block US-sanctioned Russian banks ... - RT.com: <http://rt.com/business/visa-mastercard-russia-sanctions-285/>; Bitcoin FTW in Russia | Max Keiser: <http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/03/bitcoin-ftw-in-russia/>; Twitter / Datavetaren: So VISA/Mastercard just became ...: <https://twitter.com/Datavetaren/statuses/446921031614484481> 571487;1395402112;Apocalyptic;ty kako 571488;1395403096;Namworld;https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140320-btc-announce.pdf 571489;1395403108;Namworld;ok... that is funny... 571490;1395403315;kakobrekla;did he check under the couch cushions? 571491;1395403323;BingoBoingo;Namworld: Here's a likely plan. 1) Be shit and get coins trading for 1/5th value buying many with play money 2) Shutdown and Bankruptcy filing 3) gradually "find" coins 4) ??? 5) Profit 571492;1395403480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00083707 = 31.7668 BTC [-] {2} 571493;1395403978;Namworld;He has more debt in USD than funds, cheap Bitcoins and an overall profit, in that scenario. 571494;1395404090;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+] 571495;1395404112;nubbins`;mircea_popescu based on original pink eye artwork ;D 571496;1395404641;chetty;http://www.rtcc.org/2014/03/20/climate-adaptation-facing-funding-crisis-warn-un-officials/ 571497;1395404649;ozbot;Climate adaptation facing funding crisis warn UN officials 571498;1395404787;mircea_popescu;good morning chitlins 571499;1395404801;mircea_popescu;.d 571500;1395404801;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 659 blocks | Estimated Change: 11.8648% in 4d 0h 41m 0s 571501;1395404988;nubbins`;morning 571502;1395405049;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay http://trilema.com/2013/things-that-matter-these-days-things-that-dont-matter-these-days/#comment-98630 hapoy now ? :D 571503;1395405049;gribble;The operation succeeded. 571504;1395405119;nubbins`;ah, so crimea has been officially annexed 571505;1395405165;mircea_popescu;more interestingly, visa and mastercard have been officially nationalised 571506;1395405195;BingoBoingo;They always kind of were. 571507;1395405219;mircea_popescu;also true. 571508;1395405240;mircea_popescu;the chief difference between the usa and the cccp being that the usa is in denial about building socialism. 571509;1395405317;BingoBoingo;This was especially true at the peak of McCarthyism, since Johnson though there's gradually been a little less denial though every generation. 571510;1395405356;Namworld;mircea, no, I'm not coding for noobs. I just give an advice about not trusting anything just because it looks good because code can't be audited. 571511;1395405376;mircea_popescu;no but usa != the people living at any given time in the areal. just like cccp != the poor russian and other nationalities engulag'd. 571512;1395405388;Namworld;But they want me to code an exchange regardless. 571513;1395405390;mircea_popescu;illegitimate governments never can stand for the peoples they claim to represent. 571514;1395405402;mircea_popescu;Namworld sounds about right. 571515;1395405412;mircea_popescu;anyway, why not just use Apocalyptic's thing. 571516;1395405421;mircea_popescu;not enough scamcoins on it ? 571517;1395405435;Namworld;eh 571518;1395405442;daybyter;Namworld: what language you want to use? 571519;1395405444;Namworld;Have you seen the latest gox? 571520;1395405447;Namworld;http://tech.sina.com.cn/i/2014-03-21/19489261951.shtml 571521;1395405454;Namworld;urf, wrong link 571522;1395405465;mircea_popescu;benkay: at 12, there was a man ranting in ##econometrics about mortgaging himself to the hilt and going long btc. <<< this has long been the practical bank killer. 571523;1395405467;Namworld;https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20140320-btc-announce.pdf 571524;1395405473;Namworld;This one is right 571525;1395405476;mircea_popescu;that man will soon discover that paying back his mortgage is not really in his interest, 571526;1395405480;mircea_popescu;whatever btc does. 571527;1395405493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18567 @ 0.00084096 = 15.6141 BTC [+] {2} 571528;1395405501;mircea_popescu;lol @the notion of gox still publishing pdfs 571529;1395405520;mircea_popescu;unless it's a naked karpeles dancing in the streets of tokio for nickels i ain't interested. 571530;1395405522;mircea_popescu;what's mtgxo. 571531;1395405552;mircea_popescu;Izzy_: do i need windows? << ahaha she's so cute. 571532;1395405554;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3483 @ 0.00084294 = 2.936 BTC [+] 571533;1395405556;Namworld;Gox has now 202k BTC, officially. They also officially don't know how much they have at all. 571534;1395405579;Namworld;Read it, it's one page in english. It's a good laugh. 571535;1395405584;mircea_popescu;a, i heard he was claiming that yest 571536;1395405604;Namworld;Well the official details are entertaining. 571537;1395405613;nubbins`;mpex on engadget now 571538;1395405616;mircea_popescu;cazalla you know, i bought tons at about $2.ish per ? 571539;1395405620;nubbins`;really making the rounds this time 571540;1395405625;Namworld;You can't make up stuff like that. 571541;1395405637;mircea_popescu;nubbins` https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/446867449343139841 < kinda been discussed here too 571542;1395405645;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: an order of magnitude lower than me ;( 571543;1395405659;nubbins`;aha. 571544;1395405675;mircea_popescu;nubbins` i like bothering people with that figure :D i imagine all the assholes buying 10k for a pizza are long gone so nobody can bother me. 571545;1395405685;Namworld;I wish I had bought more at 5ish. 571546;1395405685;nubbins`;heh. 571547;1395405695;nubbins`;first one i ever bought was $11 571548;1395405695;mircea_popescu;men who live in low price houses can afford to throw pricepoints around 571549;1395405696;Namworld;I was a few weeks late. 571550;1395405710;mircea_popescu;nubbins` my first buy was 60 * 15 571551;1395405714;mircea_popescu;i like round numbers. 571552;1395405727;nubbins`;i spent most of the early ones 571553;1395405737;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 676 @ 0.00310111 = 2.0964 BTC [-] {4} 571554;1395405742;nubbins`;avg price for the ones i still have was around $22 571555;1395405756;nubbins`;luckily had the foresight to stop spending them 571556;1395405798;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00310008 = 0.2697 BTC [-] 571557;1395405830;mircea_popescu;i spent about a year with ppl going "wait so you bought at 15 ? but it's not even half that now! you got duped mp!" 571558;1395405839;mircea_popescu;and i was liek "let me show you how averaging works" 571559;1395405859;nubbins`;heh 571560;1395405876;mircea_popescu;"all you need is an infinity of moneyz, you'll be just fine" 571561;1395405923;nubbins`;TBF i was buying btc and pushing them into SR as fast as i could, and pascale said "maybe we should sit on a few k's" 571562;1395405925;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Roughly when did you start lawyering up and working on the MPEx/MPOE legal contingencies? 571563;1395405928;nubbins`;wise woman :0 571564;1395405936;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo roughly july 2011. 571565;1395405953;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Cool, working on a blog post. 571566;1395406056;nubbins`;surprising amount of art for sale on btctalk 571567;1395406164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14456 @ 0.00084295 = 12.1857 BTC [+] {2} 571568;1395406189;only_;nubbins`: so Bitcoin isn't made for spending, huh? 571569;1395406202;Namworld;The finest counterfeit Picasso's alongside $1 store paintings? 571570;1395406206;nubbins`;what makes ya think that? 571571;1395406212;mircea_popescu;so i can't really believe it, but after being on everywhere trilema ain't been down. 571572;1395406221;mircea_popescu;i would say moore's law officially solved the problem of slashdotting, permanently. 571573;1395406228;mircea_popescu;unless you're being silly, it won't happen. 571574;1395406233;Namworld;So it seems. 571575;1395406266;mircea_popescu;bitcoin's made for spendin' like them tits are made for squeezin'. not all the time not by everyone. 571576;1395406317;only_;haha 571577;1395406347;nubbins`;with the caveat that tits are better squeezed now than later 571578;1395406353;nubbins`;and btc, the opposite 571579;1395406362;nubbins`;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/19/science/flies-that-do-calculus-with-their-wings.html?hpw&rref=science 571580;1395406408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00310007 = 0.31 BTC [-] {2} 571581;1395406427;only;dat fixed supply!!1 571582;1395406468;nubbins`;in fact, tits are inflationary just like btc 571583;1395406477;mircea_popescu;also deflationary. 571584;1395406481;nubbins`;there's a pun hidden in there if anyone's looking 571585;1395406530;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14757 @ 0.00084338 = 12.4458 BTC [+] 571586;1395406591;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00083704 = 10.3793 BTC [-] 571587;1395406667;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjMajHFCUAAaocD.jpg < this explains who gets hurt if the us keeps on yakking. 571588;1395407070;ReutersEmily;Howdy 571589;1395407104;kakobrekla;hi 571590;1395407123;BingoBoingo;Hello 571591;1395407130;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/446995984758108161 571592;1395407131;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @MKRocks @felixsalmon $1k USD ... 571593;1395407140;ReutersEmily;I am completely unfamiliar with the etiquette in here 571594;1395407141;mircea_popescu;who knew, mpex is 50% better than the best investment in the history of venture investment. 571595;1395407144;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily hello. 571596;1395407154;mircea_popescu;don't worry about the etiquette, it fell off. 571597;1395407159;ReutersEmily;Oh so glad you are here mircea_popescu 571598;1395407253;ReutersEmily;How does MPEx work? Can one chose what specific investments one wants to make or is it a portfolio chosen by MPEx? 571599;1395407270;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily mpex works exactly like the nyse, if nyse worked as intended. 571600;1395407274;blackwhite;morning men 571601;1395407282;mircea_popescu;you put your orders in, it executes them. 571602;1395407287;ReutersEmily;Ok so you buy private placement share on MPEx 571603;1395407301;ReutersEmily;like could I buy shares of AirBnB? 571604;1395407303;mircea_popescu;i'm not sure what you mean by " private placement " but probably. 571605;1395407312;mircea_popescu;a, no. you buy shares of companies registered with mpex. 571606;1395407316;ReutersEmily;ok 571607;1395407323;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00594041 = 0.1723 BTC [-] 571608;1395407324;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 139 @ 0.0031 = 0.4309 BTC [-] {5} 571609;1395407325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05468 = 0.2734 BTC [+] {2} 571610;1395407330;mircea_popescu;you can't buy say british petroleum on nyse unless someone does a dr deal. 571611;1395407338;mircea_popescu;which do happen occasionally in bitcoin, but not really for fiat companies, 571612;1395407348;mircea_popescu;mostly because bitcoiners aren't interested in fiat investments 571613;1395407356;ReutersEmily;and all of the transactions are conducted in Bitcoin then? 571614;1395407361;mircea_popescu;yes. 571615;1395407368;mircea_popescu;like nyse does all deals in dollars, 571616;1395407372;mircea_popescu;so mpex does all deals in bitcoin 571617;1395407375;ReutersEmily;ok 571618;1395407383;ReutersEmily;so Havelock is the same, right? 571619;1395407384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05533333 = 0.166 BTC [+] {3} 571620;1395407386;BingoBoingo;Well X.EUR is a thing 571621;1395407388;mircea_popescu;it aspires to be the same. 571622;1395407421;ReutersEmily;what if i have an idea for a startup, can i register with you before my company is really up and running in order to get some funding for my idea? 571623;1395407426;mircea_popescu;yes. 571624;1395407435;mircea_popescu;people try all the time, some succeed, some don;t. 571625;1395407474;ReutersEmily;as in - some make it through your registration process and others don't? or can anyone register, and then it's just sink or swim, it's a matter of whether they can attract funds? 571626;1395407483;mircea_popescu;s.nsa is a fine example of one company that succeeded. the owner there came up with the idea of making an actually cryptographically secure gpg gizmo 571627;1395407503;Namworld;Havelock works boh as an exchange, and as a broker. It makes it easy to trade, no opening fee and large trade fees. MPEx works like an actual exchabge. Not much interface, very high security, high entry fee for a seat, low trading fees. 571628;1395407509;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily well, again just like the nyse. you have to satisfy a due dilligence process. 571629;1395407527;mircea_popescu;if you just let anyone randomly registering you end up with the pink sheets, basically. 571630;1395407565;ReutersEmily;so what kinds of people or companies do not make it thru your dd process? 571631;1395407573;ReutersEmily;like, what are the disqualifiers? 571632;1395407582;mircea_popescu;well, people without a business plan, people without an established identity, etc 571633;1395407597;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/how-does-one-list-on-mpex/ 571634;1395407598;ozbot;How does one list on MPEx ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 571635;1395407602;mircea_popescu;there's a discussion on the topic. 571636;1395407613;ReutersEmily;ah - cool - thanks 571637;1395407629;ReutersEmily;So I see you posted the SEC letter on your site 571638;1395407642;ReutersEmily;that is unusual, to say the least 571639;1395407645;mircea_popescu;to quote one excited city trader, 571640;1395407686;mircea_popescu;"i read it and shared it with everyone i knew. i think it was fantastic. i was going to congratulate you on it yesterday but i figured you were too busy." 571641;1395407732;ReutersEmily;yeah it is really cool from my perspective (i cover SEC enforcement, etc) to get to see how they operate like that 571642;1395407740;mircea_popescu;so then good. 571643;1395407749;ReutersEmily;what else are you going to do about it? 571644;1395407755;mircea_popescu;as i was pointing out to someone from i don't remember where yesterday, 571645;1395407821;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#571077 571646;1395407823;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 571647;1395407830;mircea_popescu;you may want to pick up the glove she failed to identify. 571648;1395407850;mircea_popescu;(washington post, i'm reminded meanwhile) 571649;1395407910;ReutersEmily;You were saying the SEC already discussed whether they could have jurisdiction over bitcoin exchanges? 571650;1395407933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00304264 = 0.1004 BTC [-] {4} 571651;1395407945;mircea_popescu;no, i am saying their debate as to whethet to come out and say its not in their yeard or not ended up in fishtails last tiem they tried to come to a declaration. 571652;1395407963;mircea_popescu;that'll need a rephrase. 571653;1395408020;ReutersEmily;does MPEx offer currency exchange services as well? 571654;1395408028;mircea_popescu;not currently, not ever. 571655;1395408055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00304003 = 0.1003 BTC [-] {3} 571656;1395408056;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05599998 = 0.168 BTC [+] 571657;1395408057;mircea_popescu;there are websites that purport to do this for you, if you can trust them. canonically bitcoin is obtained by mining it. 571658;1395408057;pizzaman1337;X.EUR....? 571659;1395408076;ReutersEmily;can U.S. - based customers use MPEx? 571660;1395408076;mircea_popescu;x.eur is a settled euro future handled by bitcoin-central's davout, so i suppose you could use that. 571661;1395408083;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily i have no idea. 571662;1395408102;pizzaman1337;such a loaded question 571663;1395408103;ReutersEmily;I'm just trying to figure out how the SEC would argue it has jurisdiction 571664;1395408119;mircea_popescu;i don't think it would or is trying to. 571665;1395408127;ReutersEmily;like, some other sites that deal in bitcoin have tried to stay out of range of US regulators by not letting people with US IP addresses log on 571666;1395408140;mircea_popescu;best anyone can determine, the sec is merely trying to cope with the serious problems of fraud enabled by unscrupulous operators 571667;1395408148;mircea_popescu;such as glbse, btct, havelock, bitfunder et all. 571668;1395408155;BingoBoingo;MPEx doesn't really have a "log in" 571669;1395408159;mircea_popescu;there has been a lengthy list of wannabe-mpex websites to date, it all ended bloody. 571670;1395408177;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00304 = 0.3344 BTC [-] {2} 571671;1395408178;ReutersEmily;are the rest of those (besides havelock) NYSE-type exchanges as well? 571672;1395408192;mircea_popescu;no, the ones besides havelock are dead. 571673;1395408197;ReutersEmily;how did it end bloody for the other sites? 571674;1395408203;mircea_popescu;people booking the traditional 50% losses in half year. 571675;1395408210;ReutersEmily;yikes 571676;1395408212;mircea_popescu;yhes. 571677;1395408219;mircea_popescu;so you know, on the ground there's quite legitimate concern. 571678;1395408227;mircea_popescu;i have an entyire department dedicated to researching and outing scams 571679;1395408236;mircea_popescu;i spend hundreds of my own btc to create evidentiary trails 571680;1395408238;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05683332 = 0.341 BTC [+] {5} 571681;1395408254;ReutersEmily;how many people in your scam-outing dept and what do they do? 571682;1395408257;pizzaman1337;how many people work for MPEx? (while we're asking questions...) 571683;1395408278;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily about a dozen, it varies. they review public communications, keep track on the status of various purported btc companies, make regular statements etc. 571684;1395408299;mircea_popescu;pizzaman1337 over a hundred by now if you count absolutely everyone. 571685;1395408305;ReutersEmily;What is the volume of trading on MPEx? 571686;1395408333;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily it varies wildly. currently in the 20-30k btc range. during one month it handled 400k btc in notional options exposure 571687;1395408345;mircea_popescu;which at the time worked out to well over half a billion. 571688;1395408351;ReutersEmily;when you say 20-30 thosuand, is that per month? 571689;1395408354;mircea_popescu;yes 571690;1395408383;ReutersEmily;and how many individuals do you think suffered when those other sites blew up? 571691;1395408418;mircea_popescu;to date i would guess about 20 to 30k different individuals have lost to unscrupulous operators somewhere between half a million and two million bitcoin 571692;1395408424;pizzaman1337;in the feb report the expenditure was 8.262335 BTC, how does that cover a hundred people? 571693;1395408431;mircea_popescu;that is easily over a billion dollars in today's market, but at the time btc was valued a lot lower 571694;1395408441;mircea_popescu;so if you want actual losses i'd guess ten to a hundred million. 571695;1395408461;mircea_popescu;pizzaman1337 well there's this dastardly ambiguity in working for mp/working for mpex. 571696;1395408498;ReutersEmily;does MPEx keep track of where its users are located physically? 571697;1395408510;mircea_popescu;it doesn't, mostly because it can't. 571698;1395408516;mircea_popescu;do you understand symmetric key cryptography ? 571699;1395408604;mircea_popescu;you don't have to run research it, just say no if you don't an' i'll explain. it's not really too complicated. 571700;1395408631;ReutersEmily;i do not 571701;1395408634;BingoBoingo;A bit related to the fact this conversation is happening at all http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/21/the-problem-of-finding-bitcoin/ 571702;1395408658;mircea_popescu;ok. so let's first look into prime factors. the prime factors of 12 are 2,2,3,3 571703;1395408665;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06300312 = 0.126 BTC [-] 571704;1395408669;mircea_popescu;because 12 is made up by multiplying 2 and 2 and 3. 571705;1395408673;mircea_popescu;;;calc 2*2*3 571706;1395408673;gribble;12 571707;1395408676;mircea_popescu;with me so far ? 571708;1395408686;ReutersEmily;yeah 571709;1395408698;mircea_popescu;ok. can you tell me the prime factors of 30345 ? 571710;1395408716;pizzaman1337;(not off the top of our heads) 571711;1395408727;mircea_popescu;as you can imagine, this'd take a while. you'd have to keep trying dividing it 571712;1395408738;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, calculating 1711953 is trivial, and any kid in school should be able to do it. 571713;1395408772;mircea_popescu;now it turns out you can use this disparity for great mathematical accomplishments, in the sense that 571714;1395408790;mircea_popescu;if you have the 1711953 set (ie, the private key) you can do some things which someone only having the 30345 (ie, the public key) can not do. 571715;1395408792;Apocalyptic;<mircea_popescu> not enough scamcoins on it ? // I guess so 571716;1395408808;mircea_popescu;so now based on this you can send me messages that only i can decrypt, and i can respond in kind. 571717;1395408814;Apocalyptic;anyway I contacted that guy just for the lulz, if he was willing to pay for such a platform 571718;1395408824;ReutersEmily;ok 571719;1395408826;Apocalyptic;surprisingly he didn't have much coin 571720;1395408833;mircea_popescu;this is how mpex works : a new user registers his public key with mpex, and registers mpex's public key for himself. 571721;1395408834;Apocalyptic;and that's an understatement 571722;1395408842;mircea_popescu;once this is done, there's no more log in, there's no more anything. 571723;1395408848;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1346 @ 0.00304 = 4.0918 BTC [-] 571724;1395408854;mircea_popescu;you could just code your message, give it to anyone (publish it on your blog, whatever) 571725;1395408857;mircea_popescu;only mpex can read it. 571726;1395408869;mircea_popescu;and in fact you can actually put orders in mpex right from here, by talking to the bots. 571727;1395408875;ReutersEmily;ok 571728;1395408886;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-many-ways-available-for-talking-to-mpex/ that part is detailed here 571729;1395408886;ozbot;The many ways available for talking to MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 571730;1395408892;mircea_popescu;we use it ocasionally, at least for debugging. 571731;1395408899;mircea_popescu;so, mpex is not a website in any sense. 571732;1395408918;ReutersEmily;ok 571733;1395408922;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic somehow not surprising. 571734;1395408927;bounce;that's asymmetric aka public key crypto, though. minor point of order. 571735;1395408936;mircea_popescu;bounce yeah ? 571736;1395408944;mircea_popescu;o i sayd symmetric sorry. my bad. 571737;1395408974;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily the advantage of being here. i gain about 15 iq points when surrounded by these folks. 571738;1395409006;ReutersEmily;speaking of advantages, does MPEx make any money from individual trades? 571739;1395409020;mircea_popescu;there's a 0.2% fee on all trades for the seller only. 571740;1395409031;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0030256 = 0.6051 BTC [-] {2} 571741;1395409057;ReutersEmily;Thanks. And the way you just described the public key crypto, in trading terms, it sounds like MPEx is the counterparty to all trades? 571742;1395409065;ReutersEmily;or am I missing something 571743;1395409066;mircea_popescu;not at all. 571744;1395409071;mircea_popescu;how do you reason ? 571745;1395409096;ReutersEmily;like, if someone wants to sell something, MPEx is the buyer, and then MPEx turns around and finds a buyer? 571746;1395409107;ReutersEmily;or do you link buyers and sellers directly? 571747;1395409128;Apocalyptic;<mircea_popescu> Apocalyptic somehow not surprising. // that was ironic :) 571748;1395409130;mircea_popescu;mpex ensures that he who orders a buy or a sell has enough of whatever is needed, stocks, btc 571749;1395409148;mircea_popescu;and then whenever someone orders a crossing sell or buy, the trade is executed and reported to the parties. 571750;1395409153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.00302 = 0.3201 BTC [-] 571751;1395409154;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90475 @ 0.00084285 = 76.2569 BTC [+] {5} 571752;1395409160;mircea_popescu;again quite exactly as the nyse works. 571753;1395409180;ReutersEmily;and how do you verify the share holdings of an individual seller? 571754;1395409191;ReutersEmily;like, i can see how you would be able to verify the btc holdings 571755;1395409203;mircea_popescu;how ? 571756;1395409214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29525 @ 0.00086236 = 25.4612 BTC [+] {7} 571757;1395409234;ReutersEmily;you say you make sure that he who orders a buy or a sell has enough of whatever is needed 571758;1395409236;mircea_popescu;$vwap s.mpoe 571759;1395409237;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00083879 high: 0.00096 low: 0.00080946 volume: 565745 btc: 474.53976688 7 day: average: 0.00082712 high: 0.00096 low: 0.00079506 volume: 6204983 btc: 5132.28943247 30 day: average: 0.00084866 high: 0.00096 low: 0.000745 volume: 29190747 btc: 24773.1627663 571760;1395409255;ReutersEmily;I can understand how you could verify BTC holdings but not quite how you could verify the share holdings 571761;1395409256;mircea_popescu;heh sweet stability. 571762;1395409272;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily well, why not ? they seem of the same kind no ? 571763;1395409282;mircea_popescu;mpex keeps a list of what a signature owns, in btc or instruments. 571764;1395409319;ReutersEmily;ok 571765;1395409335;mircea_popescu;anyway, give a contract a read sometime 571766;1395409340;mircea_popescu;http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET 571767;1395409341;ozbot;S.BBET last 2000@0.00045000 571768;1395409343;mircea_popescu;such as. 571769;1395409347;ReutersEmily;will do 571770;1395409374;Namworld;The fact it works like it is makes communications for trades and information very secure, using strong encryption. It works like one would make orders digitally with an actual stock exchange. Low fees per trade too. But high entry fee and no interface. 571771;1395409396;ReutersEmily;so do you think exchanges like MPEx will eventually need regulation the way NYSE needs it - to prevent corners and other bad behavior? 571772;1395409408;Namworld;One can buy a registration with MPEx and then actually provide the brokering service, complete with actual web interface. Such as what coinbr.com did. 571773;1395409413;mircea_popescu;mpex does have regulation, 571774;1395409441;mircea_popescu;what mpex does is for fiat institutions to recognise there are people who understand how things work and are currently working to prevent such corner cases and bad behaviour 571775;1395409448;mircea_popescu;and help with the process of limiting those. 571776;1395409457;mircea_popescu;what mpex needs* 571777;1395409469;mircea_popescu;for instance : i've written a standard for accounting 571778;1395409480;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/accounting-for-the-nonzero-asset-corporation-the-mpex-standard/ 571779;1395409481;ozbot;Accounting for the nonzero asset corporation. The MPEx standard. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Pope 571780;1395409497;mircea_popescu;i force mpex corps to publiush monthly reports, 571781;1395409508;mircea_popescu;there's a lengthy list, and all this is strictly a mpex thing, nobody else does it. 571782;1395409514;mircea_popescu;tho i tell them to. but what's in a telling ? 571783;1395409515;ReutersEmily;so that would be similar to the SEC's reporting requirements for public companies 571784;1395409519;mircea_popescu;very. 571785;1395409535;ReutersEmily;but when you say there are people who are trying to prevent bad behavior, how do they do that? 571786;1395409565;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily take for instance mpoe-pr. you familiar with her body of work ? 571787;1395409570;ReutersEmily;do you have limits on how many shares in a single company can be bought by a single signature? 571788;1395409589;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily not other than the limits of how many shares there exist in that company. 571789;1395409614;Namworld;MPEx at its core was made to be simple, secure and without any extras. Designed to be a true exchange. Other places so far dealing with Bitcoin securities have both the issuing and official trades of share, and the web interface. It makes them vulnerable to hacking and meddling with the list of holders. 571790;1395409657;ReutersEmily;I am not familiar with mpoe-pr 571791;1395409662;ReutersEmily;where can i find her work? 571792;1395409672;mircea_popescu;one sec 571793;1395409675;mircea_popescu;;;google mpoe-pr 571794;1395409676;gribble;View the profile of MPOE-PR - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=52741>; Latest posts of: MPOE-PR - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=52741;sa=showPosts>; MPOE-PR, almost two years in the swamp. An anthology. pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-pr-almost-two-years-in-the-swamp-an-anthology/> 571795;1395409678;mircea_popescu;there you go. 571796;1395409689;mircea_popescu;jesus google has gotten good meanwhile ?! 571797;1395409698;mircea_popescu;what year is this! how long have i been asleep ?! 571798;1395409749;Namworld;MPOE-PR exposes scams and belittles random strangers looking for investments/offering a service which involves handling third party funds, without any respectability or proof of competency. 571799;1395409757;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily anyway, some highlights include calling out the pirate scam in april 2012, at a time everyone thought they knew better, 571800;1395409772;mircea_popescu;and unravelling a bunch of scammers posing as "bitcoin bankers" and issuing "credit ratings" and whatnot 571801;1395409779;mircea_popescu;and a lot of numerous other cases. 571802;1395409803;ReutersEmily;so...perhaps you don't want to discuss it here but i would love to know what you think of the new cyprus-based 'bank' 571803;1395409809;mircea_popescu;now, if the sec had actually had a gpgkey registered with me in april 2012, 571804;1395409816;mircea_popescu;we could have together avoided a shitton of loss and misery. 571805;1395409833;mircea_popescu;and if the sec was at my april 2013 conference, they could have known about mtgox nine months in advance, 571806;1395409844;mircea_popescu;like anyone in btc with a clue 571807;1395409853;ReutersEmily;what do you think went wrong w/mt gox? 571808;1395409861;mircea_popescu;rather than six montrhs after, like your run of the mill overworked, overwhelmed, sclerotic bureaucracy. 571809;1395409864;Namworld;On Bitcointalk forum. She tends to be very accurate, yet most often dismissed. In the end, she is usually proven right, sadly for those who didn't heed her warnings. 571810;1395409866;ReutersEmily;think it was a guy who couldn't run an exchange or an outside theft? 571811;1395409874;Monarch03;Mircea, what is your opinion about ASICminer, from investment point of view right now? thanks 571812;1395409886;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2013/grave-concerns-re-mtgox/ 571813;1395409887;ozbot;Grave concerns re MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 571814;1395409891;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily it's really all published 571815;1395409902;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/grave-concerns-re-mtgox/ 571816;1395409903;ozbot;Grave concerns re MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 571817;1395409912;Namworld;I'm sorry, I'm probably just interupting and distracting from your questions to Mircea. 571818;1395409928;ReutersEmily;so when is your next conference mircea_popescu? 571819;1395409938;mircea_popescu;in about a month. 571820;1395409945;ReutersEmily;can i come? 571821;1395409949;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/ 571822;1395409950;ozbot;The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 571823;1395409955;mircea_popescu;you'll have to read and talk to your editor 571824;1395409955;pizzaman1337;signup closed 15th 571825;1395409958;mircea_popescu;but in principle yes 571826;1395409965;mircea_popescu;pizzaman1337 well i imagine she wants to come as press rather than vip 571827;1395410009;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily if not, there's going to be another in 2015 anyway, so. 571828;1395410063;ReutersEmily;yeah i would want to come as press. altho since we have people far closer to Romania than I am here in NYC perhaps one of my colleagues would go instead 571829;1395410093;mircea_popescu;just as long as they understand what's going on. 571830;1395410095;ReutersEmily;so can we talk about Cyprus? 571831;1395410099;mircea_popescu;sure. 571832;1395410128;ReutersEmily;what is going on there, in your opinion? 571833;1395410136;mircea_popescu;well their govt collapsed and it seems messy 571834;1395410151;ReutersEmily;what about specifically in the btc space? 571835;1395410154;mircea_popescu;why are you asking me ? 571836;1395410165;mircea_popescu;oh. i dunno, it's a small country. 571837;1395410173;ReutersEmily;because i want to know what you think about some of the new businesses popping up there 571838;1395410181;mircea_popescu;the neobee people bought a lot of newspaper space recently, that hat you mean ? 571839;1395410199;ReutersEmily;yeah what do you think of them? 571840;1395410214;mircea_popescu;nothing too highly. to keep this short and sweet, the objections are : 571841;1395410238;mircea_popescu;a) that while neobee collected funds (on havelock), they have yet to issue a report. this is eerily reminescent of the bitcoin foundation scam, and does not bode well 571842;1395410261;mircea_popescu;b) that while neobee spends a lot of time executing, it's so far failed to actually come up with a business plan. anyone can buy advertising, and overpay for it. 571843;1395410286;mircea_popescu;c) that havelock has a history of allowing high rent corporations to just walk away from their obligations, such as they did in the case of virtex, 571844;1395410294;mircea_popescu;resulting in a good 4k btc loss for their "investors". 571845;1395410296;mircea_popescu;among others. 571846;1395410334;ReutersEmily;what about the fact that neobee is collectuing euros promising customers exposure to btc "with none of the risk?" 571847;1395410353;mircea_popescu;well that seems just about the average stupid thing they'd say. 571848;1395410367;mircea_popescu;recently, it was discovered (here) that they had misworded their contract. 571849;1395410370;mircea_popescu;let me find it for you 571850;1395410424;kakobrekla;its a prospectus. 571851;1395410486;LordPutin;<3 Putin forever 571852;1395410493;mircea_popescu;aha. ReutersEmily http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2014#567341 571853;1395410517;ReutersEmily;thanks 571854;1395410533;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily anyway, if you're positive-constructively inclined, they probably mean "with none of the risk holding your own btc entails, such as you not having a clue and deleting the wallet" 571855;1395410551;mircea_popescu;obviously this is not what one would read, be that one reasonable or otherwise, and obviously this point is not lost on them. 571856;1395410568;mircea_popescu;but this is what passes for "pr" these days, at least at the havelock level of things. 571857;1395410581;ReutersEmily;who runs havelock? 571858;1395410589;mircea_popescu;well apparently nobody. 571859;1395410605;mircea_popescu;a guy by the name topace used to, and claims he is no longer because some offshore corp bought it. 571860;1395410618;mircea_popescu;i buy that just about as much as any other flying pigs scenario. 571861;1395410623;BingoBoingo;"Moved to Panama" 571862;1395410656;ReutersEmily;well they have numbers you can call for help or whatever 571863;1395410661;mircea_popescu;until the securities and exchange comission of panama figures out how to work with me, i guess this shitshow'll continue. 571864;1395410663;BingoBoingo;For a while "moving to Panama" was such a popular claim it was nearly a meme in this space 571865;1395410664;ReutersEmily;i called one yesterday and got a recording and a menu 571866;1395410670;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily splendid. so what did you order ? 571867;1395410674;ReutersEmily;nothing 571868;1395410682;mircea_popescu;i hear the sichuan duck is good. 571869;1395410686;ReutersEmily;but someone has to be running it 571870;1395410701;LordPutin;i called them once and Dave from fbi answered 571871;1395410703;mircea_popescu;if you hang around maybe topace sees the highlights. 571872;1395410737;mircea_popescu;(this software works so that if anyone is mentioned - or has any strings of interest mentioned - they get a signal) 571873;1395410751;ReutersEmily;topace? 571874;1395410763;mircea_popescu;yes. 571875;1395410773;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it seems just by the time you're done with your post you can start on another eh. 571876;1395410784;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: So it seems 571877;1395410792;ReutersEmily;BingoBoingo where do you post 571878;1395410792;kakobrekla;just bash it. 571879;1395410807;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The first one was done, maybe an hour ago http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/21/the-problem-of-finding-bitcoin/ 571880;1395410809;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla does assbot support this many lines ? such wow. much amount. 571881;1395410820;BingoBoingo;ReutersEmily: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com 571882;1395410826;kakobrekla;not enough doges to cover for it. 571883;1395410839;khersonus;Reuters on IRC? I can't decide if this is the future or the past, but I like it. 571884;1395410845;assbot;Last 1200 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1750786/plain/) 571885;1395410845;BingoBoingo;!b 1200 571886;1395410845;mircea_popescu;it's the future in the past. 571887;1395410862;khersonus;ReutersEmily: how did you find out about this place? 571888;1395410880;mircea_popescu;and now the hunter becomes the prey :D 571889;1395410918;khersonus;normally I just read the logs, but this was worth hopping on for 571890;1395410926;ReutersEmily;khersonus I wanted to talk to mircea_popescu about the SEC letter 571891;1395410938;khersonus;awesome 571892;1395410979;Namworld;khersonus, there was no proof provided that whoever is asking question is from Reuters. Someone joined and asked questions. People are answering. It could be left at that. Does it matter how or why someone arrived here? 571893;1395410999;mircea_popescu;nah im pretty sure it's the genuine article. 571894;1395411024;ReutersEmily;Huh I wonder how I would go about proving I'm from Reuters - happy to offer proof if you want 571895;1395411031;ReutersEmily;you can email me at emily.flitter@thomsonreuters.com 571896;1395411038;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily do you have a twitter ? 571897;1395411045;ReutersEmily;yeah its @FlitterOnFraud 571898;1395411052;mircea_popescu;so twitter anything related to this convo 571899;1395411058;mircea_popescu;i'm @mircea_popescu 571900;1395411063;ReutersEmily;oh sure thing 571901;1395411100;nubbins`;i have to say, things are interesting around here lately 571902;1395411101;khersonus;Namworld: I felt the need to ask, so I asked. Does it matter that I asked? 571903;1395411131;Namworld;No need. What I mean is, someone comes in here and ask questions, they'll probably get an answer, wether from the press or just a random stranger. Who the person actually is doesn't matter. 571904;1395411137;Namworld;khersonus, not really. 571905;1395411171;ReutersEmily;oh didn't see your handle till after i tweeted hold on i'll do another one 571906;1395411182;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Honestly by 2015 I imagine this will be the norm 571907;1395411189;mircea_popescu;wow this is the prettiest spring outside 571908;1395411196;mircea_popescu;everything in my garden's in bloom 571909;1395411204;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, thank fred phelps 571910;1395411214;mircea_popescu;whats he do. 571911;1395411215;Namworld;It's spring already eh? Not in Canada sadly. 571912;1395411224;nubbins`;Namworld shush, you'll jinx it. 571913;1395411229;nubbins`;i went outside yesterday without a jacket 571914;1395411233;nubbins`;it was glorious 571915;1395411237;mircea_popescu;Namworld it has been for a week. all the cherry trees are pink 571916;1395411258;mircea_popescu;this shall henceforth be known as the mp curse, too. 571917;1395411281;mircea_popescu;when i originally picked a date for the secret conference, it was mostly tied to when this particular walkway of cherries would likely be in bloom. 571918;1395411286;mircea_popescu;then they hurried up and everyone missed it. 571919;1395411289;mircea_popescu;this year ? idem. 571920;1395411325;hdbuck;http://blogs.reuters.com/emily-flitter/ "covering financial crimes, including insider trading, investment scams, accounting fraud and financial firm misconduct" that sounds like a hell of a work. ^^ 571921;1395411337;nubbins`;no cherry blossoms here, but there was a man looking confusedly back and forth between my house, the house next door, and the key in his hand 571922;1395411355;nubbins`;he eventually decided he didn't live on this street, and wandered off 571923;1395411358;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/FlitterOnFraud/status/447013452226113536 so there ye go, naysayers. 571924;1395411358;ozbot;Twitter / FlitterOnFraud: @mircea_popescu I wonder whether ... 571925;1395411383;ReutersEmily;hdbuck it's a fun beat but i don't think it's good for my blood pressure 571926;1395411407;LordPutin;dont forget ukyo the bitfunder scam artists 571927;1395411410;mircea_popescu;you have a blood pressure ? 571928;1395411420;nubbins`;you don't?! 571929;1395411422;mircea_popescu;gotta have no blood pressure. 571930;1395411424;mircea_popescu;nope. 571931;1395411431;*;nubbins` ponders this over coffee 571932;1395411434;mircea_popescu;lmao 571933;1395411448;ReutersEmily;oh right ukyo 571934;1395411457;ReutersEmily;i am so glad you rbought that up LordPutin 571935;1395411460;nubbins`;so what, you strap yourself into a centrifuge feet-out for sleep and head-out for thinking? 571936;1395411463;LordPutin;he ripped off people like 5 million dollars 571937;1395411489;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it's complicated and has a lot to do with spiders. 571938;1395411492;LordPutin;mircea will fill you in 571939;1395411493;ReutersEmily;i also am trying to find out - why did he (Jon Montroll) go to hang out with Danny Brewster after that happened, and how did that whole thing get resolved? 571940;1395411493;BingoBoingo;And that thing might be related to the Cyprus thing, kinds 571941;1395411498;nubbins`;oh god spiders D: 571942;1395411502;mircea_popescu;gotta remember, we're on the web. and the web is for spiders. 571943;1395411503;ReutersEmily;yeah 571944;1395411515;Namworld;Ah, Ukyo still owes me a large sum. 571945;1395411522;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily well you know, people ocasionally go hang out. but 571946;1395411525;mircea_popescu;;;seen Ukyo 571947;1395411525;gribble;Ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 hours, 53 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <Ukyo> Kinda hard to give what doesnt exist. 571948;1395411536;mircea_popescu;he was here recently, so perhaps can get back to you. 571949;1395411548;ReutersEmily;I would love to get in touch with him. 571950;1395411561;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily one of the better things you can do is get an irc client and set it up. thgat way you have your own logs, highlights, tab completes etc 571951;1395411561;BingoBoingo;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#570975 571952;1395411562;thestringpuller;did the Ukyo loan default 571953;1395411564;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 571954;1395411569;Namworld;He doesn't speak much at all usually. I doubt he'll talk to the press when he refuses to say anything to anyone. 571955;1395411574;mircea_popescu;(for instance i don't write out ReutersEmily every time i name you, i just type out re) 571956;1395411582;thestringpuller;is ThickAsThieves the only person to issue a bond and not fuck over people? 571957;1395411595;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller namworld did it. 571958;1395411599;mircea_popescu;a bunch of people did it. 571959;1395411609;thestringpuller;oh yea BTC.BOND 571960;1395411611;LordPutin;ukyo must pay for his crimes 571961;1395411612;ReutersEmily;what is an irc client 571962;1395411618;mircea_popescu;there was some unfortunate guy that took out a bond in btc and paid it out early on 571963;1395411623;thestringpuller;ReutersEmily: aren't you on an irc client right now? 571964;1395411627;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily what os do you use ? 571965;1395411635;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller she's on the webchat thing 571966;1395411642;Namworld;Software to access IRC channels. I suppose you're using the webchat? 571967;1395411655;dexX7;webchat 571968;1395411662;dexX7;look at the hostmask 571969;1395411665;ReutersEmily;uh...they just upgraded our computers here at work to windows whatever - 7? 571970;1395411668;mircea_popescu;a ok. 571971;1395411673;mircea_popescu;;;google windows 7 irc client 571972;1395411674;gribble;The Top 7 Best Free IRC Clients for Windows 7 - MakeUseOf: <http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/top-7-free-irc-clients-windows-7/>; Good IRC Clients? : windows - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/windows/comments/1eezw4/good_irc_clients/>; XChat: Multiplatform Chat Program: <http://xchat.org/> 571973;1395411676;thestringpuller;lol mIRC it up 571974;1395411676;Namworld;You can log from an actual, complete client of your choice. Usually comes with logs and more features. 571975;1395411680;mircea_popescu;pick from there. 571976;1395411680;nubbins`;ReutersEmily: most of us use dedicated software to connect to irc, rather than a website like you're using 571977;1395411685;ReutersEmily;yeah i'm using the webchat right now 571978;1395411687;nubbins`;ReutersEmily: sort of like gmail vs. outlook 571979;1395411699;thestringpuller;lol outlook 571980;1395411702;BingoBoingo;Except Webchat doesn't log 571981;1395411707;ReutersEmily;cool thanks 571982;1395411710;thestringpuller;you mean gmail vs thunderbird :P 571983;1395411712;nubbins`;thestringpuller: last office i worked in used lotus notes ;D 571984;1395411712;thestringpuller;(i kid) 571985;1395411713;mircea_popescu;nubbins` nice example nubsy. it's totally like outlook. 571986;1395411721;*;thestringpuller high fives nubbins` 571987;1395411726;thestringpuller;my last office used lotus too! 571988;1395411727;Namworld;[10:19] <mircea_popescu> thestringpuller namworld did it. 571989;1395411731;ReutersEmily;when you say, "log," BingoBoingo, you mean save records of every chat so you can go back and read it after? 571990;1395411736;bounce;reutersemily, mind a personal opinion question? 571991;1395411737;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily exactly. 571992;1395411751;nubbins`;thestringpuller: great for when you want your computer to freeze when opening an email 571993;1395411752;Namworld;Well technically I have yet to repay everyone, so, no, that's not yet a fact. 571994;1395411758;thestringpuller;:D 571995;1395411759;dexX7;this channel is logged anyway: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ 571996;1395411765;mircea_popescu;Namworld ah ? didn't know that. how much you still have out ? 571997;1395411767;thestringpuller;someone understands my pain 571998;1395411767;BingoBoingo;ReutersEmily: Right. This channel has a log linked in the topic, but for other channels and conversations you depend on your client to keep logs for you 571999;1395411770;ReutersEmily;bounce no i don't mind 572000;1395411788;bounce;since you're covering fraud and stuff, what do you think about this stance that insider trading shouldn't be illegal? 572001;1395411796;Namworld;About 180 BTC, more or less. I would need to check. 572002;1395411809;nubbins`;that's a stance?! 572003;1395411818;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily the real reason you want a client is that you can then install otr, which is a cryptographically secure plugin allowing you to have private conversations safe from any snoops. and that is good quality safety, not the sort of crud normally peddled. 572004;1395411836;dexX7;teach her 572005;1395411836;mircea_popescu;really if i had to talk to a ws whistleblower, thats what i'd use, or else pgp over email. 572006;1395411837;bounce;forgot who wrote the piece I remember reading, quick google tells me john carney and dylan matthews said things to that tune not too long ago 572007;1395411840;ReutersEmily;mircea_popescu I would love to do that 572008;1395411861;mircea_popescu;aite. lots to read, lots to absorb. pace yourself 572009;1395411863;ReutersEmily;bounce I think carney does think that 572010;1395411870;nubbins`;i tried to get a local CBC investigative reporter set up w/ pgp 572011;1395411872;nubbins`;it didn't really take 572012;1395411884;LordPutin;that's terrible Namworld i feelforyou 572013;1395411890;mircea_popescu;hey, bounce has good q's. 572014;1395411897;bounce;well that's clear enough. :) 572015;1395411901;ReutersEmily;ok so regarding that insider trading question 572016;1395411906;mircea_popescu;Namworld but you were about 2k at the top right ? 572017;1395411930;Namworld;2k? No, never over 500 BTC. 572018;1395411951;ReutersEmily;i guess the people who think insider trading shouldn't be illegal argue that if you can work hard for the advantage--ie get contacts inside a company to leak you stuff or whatever, you deserve the competitive advantage? 572019;1395411956;mircea_popescu;a ok 572020;1395411961;Namworld;I think you're thinking of something else. 572021;1395411972;ReutersEmily;but the opposite view is that it makes the markets totally unfair 572022;1395411986;ReutersEmily;how could joe schmoe with an eTrade account ever compete 572023;1395411997;BingoBoingo;I rather hope the SEC decides to be friends http://bitbet.us/bet/790/mpex-to-become-sec-recognized-sro-in-2014/?ref=17sTosfHxNzGD4VUP3pjoHCEVofzSEcL95 572024;1395411999;nubbins`;as an investor, i'd be pretty sore if an officer of the company in which i invested started telling his buddies when to sell 572025;1395411999;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily well the better opposite view is that it's really not against the people working at companies' interest to allow that "hard work" to fruit, as opposed to the interest of the actual companies. 572026;1395412009;ReutersEmily;i guess, without offering too much of an opinion since I am a journalist and not supposed to have any, i would add that the markets aren't fair anyway 572027;1395412034;Namworld;Information on the market is assymetric everywhere else, almost. I don't see why force it for securities. 572028;1395412064;mircea_popescu;Namworld this is exactly the equivalent of "why regulate psychoactives" debate. because if you can you must, and if it's legal to do amphetamines companies will start mandating their employees do it. 572029;1395412081;bounce;difference between having an opinion and letting it colour your writing, which could well be a challenge to separate. 572030;1395412082;mircea_popescu;unless you want to live in a world of socialised dope care, it'll have to stay illegal. 572031;1395412103;ReutersEmily;mircea_popescu you're right it also does affect the stability of a company's stock price theoretically when you have insider activity 572032;1395412105;nubbins`;socialised dope care 572033;1395412118;bounce;but anyway, thanks. 572034;1395412138;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily i wouldn't want to be in any board where the ceo goes "well icahn just offered me 50mn, what you guys got" 572035;1395412146;ReutersEmily;bounce have you heard of Steve Cohen? 572036;1395412151;mircea_popescu;because i'd likely just start screaming and overturning tables. 572037;1395412196;Namworld;No, it's not like saying you must mandate it, you can't mandate assymetry, it naturally occurs. 572038;1395412231;ReutersEmily;if insider trading were legal we would have an even deeper gap between have and have nots 572039;1395412235;bounce;the name popped up in a wonkblog piece I googled just now; could well be the one I read earlier. name didn't stick, but he got done for insider trading. 572040;1395412242;dexX7;mpex as sro.. would this also imply things like the rota project? http://trilema.com/2012/the-mpex-rota/ 572041;1395412246;ReutersEmily;bounce 572042;1395412255;nubbins`;ah, the rota 572043;1395412257;ReutersEmily;he sort of got done in but sort of not 572044;1395412258;ReutersEmily;yeah 572045;1395412259;nubbins`;kinda sad i missed out on that 572046;1395412263;mircea_popescu;dexX7 perhaps. though the rota project as originally designed proved unworkable. it'd have to be worked on. 572047;1395412277;ReutersEmily;anyway, Cohen said in a deposition a few years ago he thought insider trading rules were "vague" 572048;1395412280;dexX7;yes, but i really like the idea. 572049;1395412286;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily now that they are. 572050;1395412301;mircea_popescu;dexX7 i do think there's something there myself. just, you know... apparently it also burns. 572051;1395412314;dexX7;i read it :p 572052;1395412314;bounce;hard to see how they would not be 572053;1395412369;ReutersEmily;well they're pretty straightforward in that you have to have a tipper and a tipee, and the tipee has to know that the tipper is getting a personal benifit in exchange for giving out inside info 572054;1395412403;ReutersEmily;so actually mircea_popescu i am sure i can find this on your site too but how do you keep people from insider trading on MPEx? 572055;1395412409;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily you've followed the cases in the past few years, since it's your beat. would you say in each and every one it was your opinion that the actions as decided by either sec or courts were in fact correct ? 572056;1395412421;mircea_popescu;i don't, mostly because i can't. 572057;1395412474;Namworld;But at the same time, if you need to work hard to earn through Business, why shouldn't those who have information through working hard not trade on it? Why prevent use of such information? I would perhaps only agree to go against management insider trading in case of catastrophic scenario (undeclared losses/bankruptcy), where management would probably both have ruined the company and 572058;1395412474;Namworld;yet cleared the orderbook. 572059;1395412481;ReutersEmily;mircea_popescu regarding cases brought over the past few years....of the 79 criminal insider trading cases brought by Manhattan federal prosecutor, not one has ended in an acquittal 572060;1395412485;Namworld;But never prevent insider trading on the buying side. 572061;1395412492;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily i asked for your own call. 572062;1395412492;thestringpuller;http://i.imgur.com/gE8hDnY.jpg 572063;1395412505;mircea_popescu;consider for instance the outrageous case of the swiss heinz options traders. 572064;1395412515;nubbins`;thestringpuller +1 572065;1395412518;ReutersEmily;mircea_popescu i know. i don't know each of the cases well enough to be able to say they were "all correct" 572066;1395412533;nubbins`;"so are you gonna cash out when btc hits <arbitrary large number>?" 572067;1395412537;Namworld;But I haven't had time to think about this topic in details to form a specific or resilient opinion of the matter. 572068;1395412540;nubbins`;"i won't have to" 572069;1395412551;ReutersEmily;but of the cases i did cover closely i never saw a defendant i thought was wrongly accused. 572070;1395412563;mircea_popescu;nubbins` fuck, i could have said that. who beat me to the punch ? 572071;1395412570;nubbins`;morpheus apparently 572072;1395412573;nubbins`;see tsp's link 572073;1395412574;mircea_popescu;that is EXACTLY the point. go morpheus. 572074;1395412579;mod6;:) 572075;1395412591;nubbins`;i was actually explaining this to my mother yesterday 572076;1395412601;mircea_popescu;i was actually explaining this to a guy from wired yesterday 572077;1395412604;nubbins`;she said ":0" 572078;1395412608;nubbins`;heh. 572079;1395412612;nubbins`;did he say :0? 572080;1395412623;mircea_popescu;"o x y z won't invest in btc" "dude, it matters not if they do it directly or tyhrough n layers abstracting it from you, it's still what's going on" 572081;1395412647;mircea_popescu;nubbins` he said "i shall ponder this over tea" 572082;1395412652;*;nubbins` spits 572083;1395412666;nubbins`;poor guy ;( 572084;1395412716;ReutersEmily;i lost you guys on that last little bit 572085;1395412723;ReutersEmily;maybe it's because i haven't seen the matrix 572086;1395412726;nubbins`;heh. 572087;1395412728;mod6;wat 572088;1395412746;nubbins`;ReutersEmily: a common question is "so will you cash out all your btc when it reaches <large usd value>?" 572089;1395412748;nullp;exit 572090;1395412751;nubbins`;which begs the question a bit 572091;1395412752;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06301302 = 0.126 BTC [+] 572092;1395412758;Namworld;Well it's pretty much what's said in the movie, edited a bit to include Bitcoin. 572093;1395412770;nubbins`;since if btc has reached a large usd value, it would be because you can actually use it as currency in a great many places 572094;1395412772;ReutersEmily;as in, people asumme you're going to get "out" of bitcoin 572095;1395412777;ReutersEmily;instead of continuing to function in it 572096;1395412795;ReutersEmily;and that is what you were trying to explain to the wired guy who had to go and drink tea and think about it afterwards? 572097;1395412796;nubbins`;for example: if 1btc=$1m, i wouldn't need to "cash out" because i could just as easily spend my btc at walmart 572098;1395412803;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily instead of everyone else having to get in, wanting or not. 572099;1395412806;Namworld;So yeah, if BTC is ever worth a fortune each, there will probably be no need to trade them for cash, they'll probably be widely accepted by then for them to have appreciated that much.. 572100;1395412816;ReutersEmily;ok i get it 572101;1395412822;nubbins`;the implication being that widespread acceptance is the only thing that will lead to sustained high value 572102;1395412838;ReutersEmily;yeah that makes sense 572103;1395412846;mircea_popescu;check out how confusing irc can be! 572104;1395412848;nubbins`;it's a bit of an "a-ha moment" 572105;1395412850;mircea_popescu;it gets worse, too. 572106;1395412852;ReutersEmily;then maybe people will just be asking if you are going to get out the trading 572107;1395412868;ReutersEmily;like the way you talk about hedge fund guys who make zillions and could retire at 40 572108;1395412874;nubbins`;ReutersEmily: in my experience, those who day trade don't really hold long-term, and vice versa 572109;1395412886;Namworld;That would make more sense, at least for those that daytrade. 572110;1395412887;mircea_popescu;i would agree. there's about a million btc represented here, 572111;1395412894;nubbins`;for example, i don't day trade, and i don't think most others here do either 572112;1395412896;mircea_popescu;of which i doubt very much is traded on any sort of a daily basis. 572113;1395412937;ReutersEmily;have you all met in real life? 572114;1395412953;Namworld;1 million? In here? Hmm... Perhaps. 572115;1395412960;nubbins`;i've met none of these people in real life, and don't have any plans to 572116;1395412970;nubbins`;altho i think a fair number of people in here will be hitting up the conference 572117;1395412971;mircea_popescu;nubbins` does that make you a shut in ? 572118;1395412980;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: only on irc ;D 572119;1395412987;mircea_popescu;so a shut irc 572120;1395412995;nubbins`;not much of a ring to it 572121;1395412997;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily i've met a few, but as a general rule no. 572122;1395413000;Namworld;Some have met some of the people in this channel. Although there's currently over an hundred participant and it varies a lot from day to day. 572123;1395413022;nubbins`;i met people from irc only once in my life, and it was pretty goddamn weird 572124;1395413024;mircea_popescu;;;seen nefario 572125;1395413024;gribble;nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 25 weeks, 2 days, 18 hours, 43 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <nefario> Those assets are not listed or traded anymore 572126;1395413025;nubbins`;this was maybe 12 years ago 572127;1395413035;Namworld;I haven't met anyone in this channel in person. At least not knowingly. But I haven't attended any Bitcoin related event to start with. 572128;1395413036;mircea_popescu;now that guy, who was running glbse, met a bunch of these folks irl. 572129;1395413051;nubbins`;well ya know. successful scammers shake hands 572130;1395413059;nubbins`;what a word for hands that starts with S? 572131;1395413107;mircea_popescu;i like gribble's precision at any rate. it was x y z and 45 seconds ago. 572132;1395413109;Namworld;Nefario returned most BTC, decided to screw it for the remainder and disappear. 572133;1395413109;ReutersEmily;so...Reuters is just getting into the coverage of bitcoin....do you guys have buring questions you'd like to see answered in a mainstream press article? 572134;1395413125;radan;what is the future of bitcoin 572135;1395413129;nubbins`;heh. 572136;1395413130;radan;is bitcoin even real 572137;1395413131;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily if you manage to idle here you'll get the scoops as they happen. 572138;1395413138;nubbins`;ReutersEmily ^ 572139;1395413141;Namworld;I think that's been covered too much, radan. 572140;1395413142;radan;how many of these dang bitcoins are there anyway 572141;1395413146;mircea_popescu;pretty much all the major stories broke here, often days early 572142;1395413160;ThickerThanThiev;so much log to catch up on... 572143;1395413164;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com is the morning newspaper for happenings in this space 572144;1395413169;mircea_popescu;ThickerThanThiev o hey, neobee is in there. 572145;1395413179;nubbins`;lots of cruft, but diamonds hidden in the rough 572146;1395413199;chetty;I'd love to see the press stick a knife in the "bitcoin is a ponzi" meme 572147;1395413200;Namworld;Well true, events are usually known in Bitcoin IRC channels days before they make the news outlets. 572148;1395413205;mircea_popescu;qualifications for journalism these days. "must be young and like to read" 572149;1395413233;BingoBoingo;ThickerThanThiev: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#571830 572150;1395413235;Namworld;News people don't seem to hang on IRC too much, although who knows, maybe some of those silent people are from some news outlets. 572151;1395413242;nubbins`;Namworld you'd hope so 572152;1395413243;mircea_popescu;chetty that's a cute one. i recently saw a reference to the beanie babies. conveniently failing to mention that this thing's been going for five years, and dropped precipitously three times at least 572153;1395413253;dexX7;Namworld: too much noise usually 572154;1395413281;ReutersEmily;well one thing we have a hard time with is how to verify stuff that is said or posted on these forums 572155;1395413283;Namworld;Yes, that and they don't have much time to allocate to Bitcoin either. 572156;1395413293;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily give an example. 572157;1395413293;only_;ReutersEmily: something like "will MP get away with running an unregulated stock exchange on the interwebz?" that would be nice. 572158;1395413306;radan;dr. popescu, what do you think of coinbase 572159;1395413308;nubbins`;ReutersEmily: the best you can do re: verification is to verify who's saying things. 572160;1395413328;nubbins`;ReutersEmily: this channel -- and a few others -- have identification features that are useful to this end 572161;1395413330;mircea_popescu;radan i never used them. people ocasionally call scam but it doesn't usually seem to be the case. 572162;1395413330;ReutersEmily;well like some of the Mt Gox stuff that came out - that leaked crisis plan - and then the back-office stuff 572163;1395413331;radan;I have a few btc with them, and I'm not sure whether it's secure 572164;1395413338;ThickerThanThiev;[23:52] <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves you drew that shit ?! /// Not quite, I modified what Pink Eye created into that version. Maybe one day I'll put up my own portfolio again... 572165;1395413338;mircea_popescu;unless the price moves sharply against them they'll prolly be ok. 572166;1395413351;Namworld;nubbins', to the press, that's not going to be enough unless it's firsthand from the business' owner if it's about a Bitcoin business. 572167;1395413351;mircea_popescu;you're always best advised to keep your own wallets. 572168;1395413356;nubbins`;ReutersEmily: regarding that leaked crisis plan, did you see the actual PDF? with the "redactions" on the financials page? 572169;1395413372;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily that stuff was always regarded as dubious 572170;1395413380;mircea_popescu;but people accepted it as an "well... gotta talk of something" 572171;1395413388;ReutersEmily;i don't remember off teh top of my head what format that was in because it was my colleagues in Japan who took a close look at that 572172;1395413410;nubbins`;ReutersEmily: you might be interested to know that the guy who "leaked" the document -- selkis, i think -- actually did the redactions himself 572173;1395413413;Namworld;True, hard to verify when you don't have your own balance to verify against the leaked info (re hacked accoutns details). 572174;1395413421;Namworld;Or leaked crisis plan. 572175;1395413433;nubbins`;which led me to believe that he sort of made the whole document up, and it got traction, so gox figured "now's as good a time as any" 572176;1395413450;hdbuck;did Magicaltux hang out in here? 572177;1395413452;mircea_popescu;nubbins` this is definitely a possibility. 572178;1395413464;mircea_popescu;the other being that he's ver's sock and just you know... came up with something. 572179;1395413471;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: i can't think of any other reason for a document leaker to modify the documents he's leaking. 572180;1395413478;nubbins`;ah, sure 572181;1395413484;mircea_popescu;well the guy is kinda attention-seeking. 572182;1395413488;nubbins`;no kidding. 572183;1395413494;ReutersEmily;roger? 572184;1395413497;mircea_popescu;so you know, who knows what goes on in the narcissist head. 572185;1395413501;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily yes. 572186;1395413503;nubbins`;roger sounds right 572187;1395413529;Namworld;Well at least hanging in here could at least provide info about where to look for verifying soon to be news before it happens. 572188;1395413544;mircea_popescu;anyway ReutersEmily the verification of such things is a fuzzy affair at best. you end up weighting things, who said what who they work with who trusts them and why etc. 572189;1395413544;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/NrGdYfc.png 572190;1395413550;mircea_popescu;a web of trust sort of scenario. 572191;1395413552;BingoBoingo;That whole foundation crowd really is just a wash. 572192;1395413557;ReutersEmily;yeah i will hang in here. i can't believe 2 hours have gone by since i got to work and this is what i've been doing the whole time - ha! 572193;1395413581;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily that's ok, you've barely scratched it :p 572194;1395413581;ReutersEmily;you mean the bitcoin foundation BingoBoingo? 572195;1395413597;nubbins`;ReutersEmily: keep this up and you'll join the clan of people who can afford to sit around on freenode all day ;D 572196;1395413599;Neil;More evidence that money in your bank isn't really yours: 572197;1395413600;Neil;http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/willardfoxton2/100012871/did-you-spot-this-budget-gives-hmrc-power-to-raid-your-bank-account-like-wonga/ 572198;1395413616;BingoBoingo;ReutersEmily: Yeah, they just really pump each other's dubious ventures and collect money they don't provide accounting for 572199;1395413631;nubbins`;bitcoin foundation is a bit of a lel. 572200;1395413670;nubbins`;what do you expect from a group of self-appointed wizards tho 572201;1395413673;ReutersEmily;what do you think of the Wall Street contingent in bitcoin, like SecondMarket? 572202;1395413709;Namworld;Even the public figures, there's distrust in them. Mostly because they tend to always have numerous ties with big scammers which keeps showing up in the public figures pool. 572203;1395413715;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily they're trying, but i think you probably know more in places by now than silbert does 572204;1395413743;ReutersEmily;does Silbert chat in here? 572205;1395413747;mircea_popescu;not afaik. 572206;1395413753;Namworld;SecondMarket fits its goal like intended, neither great nor bad. 572207;1395413780;mircea_popescu;Namworld well afaik they got burned pretty well in gox. 572208;1395413784;mircea_popescu;which is... whatever, kinda noobish. 572209;1395413791;BingoBoingo;The Wall Street contingent seems more honest, but they are going to have to go through growing pains 572210;1395413804;BingoBoingo;Learning the lessons other people learned much earlier 572211;1395413806;nubbins`;^ 572212;1395413824;ReutersEmily;mircea_popescu how do you know they got burned in gox? 572213;1395413829;only;SecondMarket held coins in gox? lol 572214;1395413833;dexX7;i doubt that 572215;1395413836;mircea_popescu;in other words, bitcoin is its own field. having a good fundamental basis in finance is a plus. a big one, perhaps, 572216;1395413837;nubbins`;EVERYONE held coins in gox 572217;1395413839;mircea_popescu;but it doesn't do your work for you. 572218;1395413846;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily i hear things. 572219;1395413851;Namworld;Their problem, unlike Gox/others, they can deal. If they can't learn/adapt, they'll drop it. 572220;1395413854;nubbins`;well, i shouldn't say everyone 572221;1395413860;BingoBoingo;Much of the Bitcoin Foundation seems to be career hucksters of the Amway-franchisee sort. 572222;1395413860;nubbins`;but a lot of people who you'd think would know better. 572223;1395413861;chetty;not everyone nubbins' 572224;1395413883;mircea_popescu;nubbins` tell you what ? a lot of people who i'd think would know better had btc with pirate. 572225;1395413892;mircea_popescu;people be people. they tend to the flame. 572226;1395413900;mircea_popescu;as the great persian poet said. 572227;1395413911;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: it's hard trying to figure out how greedy to be, as the great nubs said 572228;1395413952;mircea_popescu;so you got burned in gox. coulda just have said that you know :D 572229;1395413960;nubbins`;nooooo, i never put a satoshi in gox 572230;1395413967;mircea_popescu;too late now. 572231;1395413983;nubbins`;my battle with greed was more focused on satoshidice and asicminer 572232;1395414002;ReutersEmily;ok guys....thank you so so much for being so nice to me and answering my questions. i am going to get on the phone in a minute so probably won't be able to pay as much attention in here, but i think i'll stay signed in 572233;1395414008;ReutersEmily;anyway thank you. i really appreciate your time. 572234;1395414008;mircea_popescu;yeah asicminer. when were they delivering the new things again ? 572235;1395414015;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily cheers. 572236;1395414022;nubbins`;ReutersEmily cheers 572237;1395414031;dexX7;almost ready to re: am 572238;1395414033;dexX7;cya 572239;1395414035;nubbins`;mircea_popescu who knows, i stopped keeping up with AM months ago 572240;1395414052;mircea_popescu;i thought it was just about now or something like that. 572241;1395414058;nubbins`;sounds familiar 572242;1395414059;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima go eat. don't break bitcoin meanwhile pls. 572243;1395414068;nubbins`;yah, i've got a busy day too 572244;1395414072;nubbins`;procrastinating here 572245;1395414078;nubbins`;gotta make bread AND sausages :D 572246;1395414108;Namworld;I think Silber was involved in Bitcoin way before SecondMarket thing if I'm not mistaken. Shame he doesn't hang out in the BTC channels. 572247;1395414171;Namworld;Different point of views are nice. 572248;1395414338;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00093089 = 21.3639 BTC [+] 572249;1395414645;nubbins`;anyone able to suggest a suitable marinade for moose steaks? 572250;1395414671;Duffer1;https://www.google.com/#q=marinade+for+moose 572251;1395414671;ozbot;Google 572252;1395414678;Duffer1;sounds good 572253;1395414714;nubbins`;nod 572254;1395414728;nubbins`;gonna go with the allrecipes beer/soya/dijon one 572255;1395414755;Duffer1;i was just reading that one 572256;1395414764;Duffer1;beer can make a surprisingly good marinade 572257;1395414774;nubbins`;nod. beer can chicken, even 572258;1395414788;nubbins`;not quite a marinade but y'know 572259;1395414808;Duffer1;not quite marinade but more than a seasoning 572260;1395414809;nubbins`;normally i get roast-style hunks of moose, but they're more like t-bones this time around 572261;1395414814;nubbins`;yeah 572262;1395414831;Duffer1;i've never had moose 572263;1395414834;nubbins`;it's nice 572264;1395414850;Duffer1;compared to deer? 572265;1395414853;nubbins`;never had deer 572266;1395414859;Duffer1;ah 572267;1395414869;nubbins`;it's slightly gamier and spicier than beef 572268;1395414872;nubbins`;and very lean 572269;1395414902;nubbins`;so lean that it's usually consumed ground, either in burgers, meatballs, or sausages 572270;1395414913;nubbins`;generally with pork fat 572271;1395414929;Namworld;Well that's lean lean 572272;1395414930;Duffer1;i'd love to try that 572273;1395414947;nubbins`;moose sausage is divine 572274;1395414973;nubbins`;this will actually be my first time eating moose steak 572275;1395415015;Duffer1;what are your sides? 572276;1395415023;ReutersEmily;omg i love moose sausage 572277;1395415030;ReutersEmily;are you in western canada? 572278;1395415039;nubbins`;ReutersEmily, eastern canada - newfoundland 572279;1395415045;ReutersEmily;oh - cool! 572280;1395415054;nubbins`;they brought two moose over here in the 1800s, didn't work out, so they brought over two more 572281;1395415058;nubbins`;now the island is covered in 'em :) 572282;1395415084;ReutersEmily;heh, seriously? i had no idea they were introduced 572283;1395415093;nubbins`;yep, invasive species 572284;1395415105;nubbins`;they're a real danger on the highways :D 572285;1395415132;ReutersEmily;oh gosh i can imagine...that would be the fastest way to turn your car into a convertible, hitting a moose 572286;1395415152;nubbins`;well the problem is that they're tall with skinny legs, so if you hit one, it's coming in through the windshield 572287;1395415187;nubbins`;and as much as i like moose, 1200lbs all at once is a bit too much ;) 572288;1395415251;nubbins`;Duffer1: not sure yet, but i'm thinking roasted potato and maybe asparagus 572289;1395415279;kakobrekla;what you get is a nonconvertible convertible 572290;1395415284;nubbins`;heh. 572291;1395415301;nubbins`;seriously tho, it's a real danger, to the point where some people have been calling for a widespread cull 572292;1395415321;nubbins`;"why do we value moose more than our children" etc 572293;1395415343;Duffer1;because moose are more delicious than children? 572294;1395415347;ReutersEmily;haha 572295;1395415358;ReutersEmily;so i would imagine there's a ton of moose hunting though right? 572296;1395415360;kakobrekla;have you tried children? 572297;1395415366;nubbins`;kakobrekla ;D 572298;1395415375;nubbins`;ReutersEmily: yep, i've never paid for any moose meat 572299;1395415387;nubbins`;it finds its way to the people who enjoy it 572300;1395415398;Duffer1;ha no nope not nooo 572301;1395415420;nubbins`;i've been considering getting a license, but having friends in rural communities is just as good, in practice 572302;1395415512;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524703.0 572303;1395415517;ozbot;[Now IPO on ripple]coinspaces.com-altcoin exchange shares 572304;1395415548;nubbins`;anyway, seriously gotta get moving. i've got ten pounds of pork shoulder to cut and grind, two loaves of bread to bake, and a ton of prep work in the studio 572305;1395415550;nubbins`;cheers 572306;1395415570;Duffer1;good luck ^.^ 572307;1395415688;ReutersEmily;bye 572308;1395415717;mircea_popescu;btw, someone drop a link in #freenode so they know they've been useful. 572309;1395415730;hdbuck;really dont know what to think of ripple since everybody claims its a scam :/ 572310;1395415731;mircea_popescu;if they can't figure out how to take donations at least let them have that satisfaction 572311;1395415832;mircea_popescu;<ReutersEmily> oh gosh i can imagine...that would be the fastest way to turn your car into a convertible, hitting a moose <<< bwagaga 572312;1395415840;mircea_popescu;so that's a first, she gets into the bash. 572313;1395415857;kakobrekla;too slow. 572314;1395415865;ReutersEmily;what does that mean? 572315;1395415882;Duffer1;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/ 572316;1395415883;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets bash 572317;1395415916;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily a bash is an old internet tradition, a collection of striking, funny or just memorable quotes 572318;1395415956;ReutersEmily;oh - cool 572319;1395415963;mircea_popescu;http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=89 572320;1395415964;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets bash 572321;1395415968;mircea_popescu;seems you were alrwady in there tho. 572322;1395415987;ReutersEmily;because of your "what did you order" comment 572323;1395415997;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm an enabler. 572324;1395416001;mircea_popescu;i make other people's shit work. 572325;1395416027;spam_mania;hello 572326;1395416056;ReutersEmily;indeed 572327;1395416066;mircea_popescu;did anyone else notice nubsy sounds just like a girl in a 1950s strict household ? 572328;1395416073;Duffer1;ReutersEmily: who runs havelock? >> The Panama Fund SA (no idea what that means or who's behind it, I suspect Voorhees is related somehow) 572329;1395416079;ThickAsThieves;Such log 572330;1395416081;ThickAsThieves;I made it 572331;1395416084;ThickAsThieves;good day 572332;1395416084;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 srsly ? why ? 572333;1395416093;Duffer1;cause panama 572334;1395416096;dexX7;your daily dose of -asset gossip, eh? ;) 572335;1395416097;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves how long did it take you ? 572336;1395416104;ThickAsThieves;an hour or so? 572337;1395416107;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00331456 = 0.1359 BTC [+] {3} 572338;1395416108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07035515 = 1.4071 BTC [-] {5} 572339;1395416109;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 that's a point i guess. 572340;1395416116;Duffer1;i mean 'suspect' in the loosest, just pulled that outta my ass, sense 572341;1395416128;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves just wanted to get it on the record for 2016, when it'll be like the 10k btc pizza. 572342;1395416129;ReutersEmily;so - i just downloaded HexChat and if I just click out of this window, will I be able to put ReutersEmily into "nickname" and have it work? 572343;1395416136;ThickAsThieves;ReutersEmily, I can offer some insight on Havelock and Neo, but I am not an official representative for either. 572344;1395416143;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily possibly not 572345;1395416147;mircea_popescu;best to register your nick first. 572346;1395416151;mircea_popescu;do you know how to use nickserv ? 572347;1395416157;ReutersEmily;ThickAsThieves I'd love to hear your thoughts. 572348;1395416166;ReutersEmily;mircea_popescu I don't know what nickserv is 572349;1395416184;mircea_popescu;http://www.wikihow.com/Register-a-User-Name-on-Freenode 572350;1395416184;ozbot;How to Register a User Name on Freenode: 7 Steps (with Pictures) 572351;1395416187;dexX7;ReutersEmily: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 572352;1395416193;dexX7;lel 572353;1395416209;ThickAsThieves;Well, Havelock, we are told at least, we purchased by the Panama Fund. It, as far as I can tell, is run by the same person that runs CFIG. 572354;1395416212;Duffer1;it will allow you to keep your nick across any freenode irc chan 572355;1395416227;ThickAsThieves;we = was 572356;1395416237;LordPutin;agent smith runs havelock 572357;1395416274;ThickAsThieves;CFIG is listed on Havelock. 572358;1395416286;ThickAsThieves;I'm not sure if its actually done anything itself. 572359;1395416315;ThickAsThieves;topace, is a contractor for the IT side of Havelock afaik. 572360;1395416341;LordPutin;didn't you useto represent neobee tat...at the start? 572361;1395416355;ThickAsThieves;only as a contractor 572362;1395416364;LordPutin;ahh k 572363;1395416390;ThickAsThieves;I have no authority to speak for them, but I have helped to deliver their messages 572364;1395416412;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07000023 = 0.35 BTC [-] 572365;1395416413;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00331456 = 0.1989 BTC [+] 572366;1395416421;ThickAsThieves;Danny Brewster, the CEO, is generally easy to reach though. 572367;1395416466;ThickAsThieves;They issued an updated prospectus, and afaik, will release updated finanicial projections this week. I am not clear whether they we will include a report of current accounts. I assume it will. 572368;1395416485;dexX7;^ TAT is an asset issuer on HL 572369;1395416531;ThickAsThieves;Yes, I have represented ASICMINER depositary receipts and issued, and made whole, a successful bitcoin bond. 572370;1395416552;ThickAsThieves;I don't run any of them anymore though. 572371;1395416565;hdbuck;tat why? got bored? 572372;1395416572;ThickAsThieves;Grew up. 572373;1395416624;ThickAsThieves;My confidence in ASICMINER exposing me to liability was justifiably compromised over time. 572374;1395416637;ReutersEmily;huh it looks like HexChat is trying to connect me to freenode but it says connection failed...a couple of times 572375;1395416642;LordPutin;i thinkitsover forasicminer 572376;1395416661;LordPutin;theyreally messed things up 572377;1395416673;ThickAsThieves;that's not even clear, not even to the board 572378;1395416687;ThickAsThieves;part of the problem really 572379;1395416705;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily if it's trying to connect you on this same name it'd prolly fail as the name's already in use. 572380;1395416705;ThickAsThieves;there's a whole story in there i may write up some day 572381;1395416713;ReutersEmily;Oh i see 572382;1395416721;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well why not today ? 572383;1395416741;mircea_popescu;meanwhile http://www.utro.ru/2008/12/26/peredovica/ 572384;1395416744;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^ 572385;1395416747;ThickAsThieves;well how to write while IRCing? 572386;1395416750;ThickAsThieves;:) 572387;1395416762;mircea_popescu;touchtyping! 572388;1395416772;mircea_popescu;you lean over and touch on someone who's typing 572389;1395416781;ThickAsThieves;basically i really need to get a blog going 572390;1395416797;mircea_popescu;i took mp's advice and started one earlier. 572391;1395416809;Duffer1;;;gpg info ReutersEmily 572392;1395416809;gribble;No such user registered. 572393;1395416819;Duffer1;too soon? ^.^ 572394;1395416822;LordPutin;idliketosee atatblog 572395;1395416851;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 probably tomorrow's job :p 572396;1395416851;LordPutin;ireallyneed a new spacebar 572397;1395416876;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you could call it Tit for Tat, and have a nice shapely round tit in the header. 572398;1395416880;thestringpuller;ReutersEmily: so you're getting paid to be on irc right now? lol 572399;1395416883;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'technologies of controlled chaos'. subject more or less beaten to death in the russian world. 572400;1395416892;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so much in english 572401;1395416893;ThickAsThieves;Don't we all get paid to be here? 572402;1395416901;ReutersEmily;thestringpuller yeah i think that's funny too 572403;1395416904;mircea_popescu;i don't ;/ 572404;1395416910;mircea_popescu;nobody's ever paying me to do anything. 572405;1395416912;rithm;vir quisque vir 572406;1395416917;rithm;tit for tat my ass 572407;1395416926;LordPutin;you'rerich enough anyway mircea u dontneedtogetpaid 572408;1395416934;rithm;y y guys talk so much 572409;1395416938;rithm;hu huh 572410;1395416946;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik, pretty much the only one who's put in the sweat to explain it in english is orlov 572411;1395416946;Duffer1;you're in the right chan for sure reutersemily this chan spawn enough material to sustain multiple daily blogs 572412;1395416948;ThickAsThieves;I feel like I'm paid to be here. 572413;1395416956;ThickAsThieves;When really we should all be PAYING 572414;1395416956;LordPutin;oprah cleans yourtoilets 572415;1395416958;mircea_popescu;rithm and who might you be ? 572416;1395416967;rithm;yo mamma 572417;1395416971;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform possibly so yeah 572418;1395416988;rithm;i'm gawker 572419;1395416994;rithm;i like to write things 572420;1395416996;mircea_popescu;you're a gawker moar like it. 572421;1395417009;*;rithm goes back to gawking 572422;1395417021;LordPutin;so tat can you give some insight what you're workingon atm? 572423;1395417054;ThickAsThieves;as mentioned before, i'm still trying to decide. 572424;1395417069;mircea_popescu;o hey, tat sounds like a girl in a loose 1970s household. 572425;1395417072;mircea_popescu;we got it all. 572426;1395417091;ThickAsThieves;I have a few paths to consider, but none seem to be the obvious choice. 572427;1395417114;BingoBoingo;rithm: From Gawker? 572428;1395417116;hdbuck;I'd like some insights on Havelock & AM since i happen to deal with both simultaneously ^^ 572429;1395417124;LordPutin;what areyouroptions oristhat confidental? 572430;1395417131;rithm;BingoBoingo stop nick highlighting me sometimes i lie on the internet 572431;1395417135;ThickAsThieves;really the one pulling me is to backpack across europe... but I have a wife. 572432;1395417143;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it's jcpham 572433;1395417149;BingoBoingo;Ah 572434;1395417167;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves so send her postcards. 572435;1395417188;chetty;TAT: so take her along 572436;1395417213;LordPutin;wife? sorryto hear that bro 572437;1395417227;mircea_popescu;chetty yeah, even better 572438;1395417231;ThickAsThieves;well she has a more traditional career, and newly scored a dream job in endangered specis conservation. 572439;1395417235;ThickAsThieves;species* 572440;1395417267;ThickAsThieves;so at best maybe we'll get regular trips to the Congo :/ 572441;1395417274;chetty;TAT: so backpack thru some deserts and jungles 572442;1395417285;ThickAsThieves;I'm not interested in such 572443;1395417288;LordPutin;endagered species like a straight bitcoiner? 572444;1395417289;mircea_popescu;o yeah, backpacking throgh the congo outbush. 572445;1395417291;mircea_popescu;that's happening. 572446;1395417323;mircea_popescu;spend a day with the machete to go from the house ot the garage 572447;1395417332;LordPutin;going through europe sounds good you might evenmake some connections or findwhat you're looking for in the world 572448;1395417339;ThickAsThieves;and then get raped and killed by poachers 572449;1395417342;Namworld;thestringpuller, she's probably paid to talk with people all the time. I don't see why that would exclude chatting session with relevant people to an article, like Mircea. Which happens to be mostly talking only in this channel, as he seems to have made his online residence here. 572450;1395417367;Namworld;So probably not too strange. 572451;1395417369;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves not even necessarily in that order. 572452;1395417374;ThickAsThieves;indeed 572453;1395417415;ThickAsThieves;western conservation reservations in the congo have been pillages in such ways just so rebels could make a point to unrelated parties 572454;1395417421;ThickAsThieves;pillaged* 572455;1395417431;mircea_popescu;well, that and the rape. 572456;1395417438;ThickAsThieves;yeah 572457;1395417451;LordPutin;my goal is tto video interview mircea oneday, i hope to achieve it 572458;1395417459;rithm;bad idea 572459;1395417465;rithm;he'll burn a koran 572460;1395417472;ThickAsThieves;http://www.bonoboincongo.com/2012/07/03/okapi-attack-sends-shock-waves-through-the-ituri-forest/ 572461;1395417489;mircea_popescu;ReutersEmily so anyway, what's the story with this Bob Dobalina ? 572462;1395417519;ThickAsThieves;"For an entire day scenes of horror and panic ripped through Epulu. Many people fled into the forest, others were taken hostage to carry the loot of the attackers. Women were raped. Seven people were killed. Among the dead are two park guards and the wife of another. Two of these were burned. Some reported that Amisi’s wife was burned alive, perhaps caught in the chaos as the outlaws 572463;1395417519;ThickAsThieves;incinerated park infrastructure and guard homes. Others seemed shot almost at random: Two people on a truck passing through Epulu, two other Epulu residents." 572464;1395417538;ThickAsThieves;Mr. Dobalina, Mr. Bob Dobalina 572465;1395417543;mircea_popescu;o jesus, some obscure cultural reference. i thought must be some junior senator or w/e. a square is me. 572466;1395417549;ReutersEmily;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFieSQHmQT0 572467;1395417550;ozbot;Del Tha Funkee Homosapien - Mistadobalina (Video Version) - YouTube 572468;1395417558;ThickAsThieves;I like me some Del 572469;1395417571;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.41085150 BTC to 4`075 shares, 59162 satoshi per share 572470;1395417573;LordPutin;new deltron record was abit wack tho 572471;1395417580;ThickAsThieves;yeah i skipped it after the previews 572472;1395417587;ThickAsThieves;the original is classic tho 572473;1395417592;LordPutin;agreed 572474;1395417596;LordPutin;very classic 572475;1395417693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0706 = 0.1412 BTC [+] 572476;1395417694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 50.96337928 BTC to 80`674 shares, 63172 satoshi per share 572477;1395417694;ReutersEmily;same album as Mistadobalina also features a wonderful song called "What Is A Booty" 572478;1395417754;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0654996 = 0.1965 BTC [+] 572479;1395417755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6076 @ 0.00093149 = 5.6597 BTC [+] 572480;1395417788;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/ReutersJamie/status/447022012318244866 572481;1395417788;ozbot;Twitter / ReutersJamie: Those sanctions really having ... 572482;1395417800;mircea_popescu;this reminds me of an older mp article, re how the market knows who will win any conflict. 572483;1395417815;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07298999 = 0.219 BTC [+] 572484;1395417816;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06549985 = 0.131 BTC [+] {2} 572485;1395417854;LordPutin;itsa warm safe place that protects you against fear 572486;1395417937;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.070576 = 3.5288 BTC [-] {2} 572487;1395417968;ThickAsThieves;"I am starting to think that this "China" news is just a tactic to make the price drop." 572488;1395417976;ThickAsThieves;quick, these reddites 572489;1395417979;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: turns out the 50's housewives were running the show and just letting the men think they did ;) 572490;1395417990;mircea_popescu;there's an excellently superb quote in that link benkay pasted yest. 572491;1395418018;mircea_popescu;"I was flattered by his interest, so I thought it over. That is, I indulged 572492;1395418018;mircea_popescu;in what young men frequently mistake for thought. In imagination, I saw my 572493;1395418018;mircea_popescu;name over the door and myself in a fine glass office looking out and 572494;1395418018;mircea_popescu;watching clerks taking in money. I had, in anticipation, the thrill of 572495;1395418018;mircea_popescu;buying one store after another and going from town to town on tours of 572496;1395418019;mircea_popescu;inspection. I tickled my fancy with the idea of coming back to college and 572497;1395418021;mircea_popescu;letting the boys consult me as an experienced man of affairs. And having 572498;1395418023;mircea_popescu;finished this process of "thinking" I wired Carroll that I was ready to 572499;1395418025;mircea_popescu;join him." 572500;1395418045;mircea_popescu;so... yeah. he's starting to "think". 572501;1395418059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07298999 = 0.146 BTC [+] 572502;1395418062;mircea_popescu;nubbins` yeah. they and those chicks of epulu. 572503;1395418120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07298999 = 0.5839 BTC [+] 572504;1395418175;ThickAsThieves;The commissioner of the Texas State Securities Board issued an emergency order last week barring a private energy exploration company from accepting investments in bitcoin from non-accredited investors. The company, Balanced Energy LLC, allegedly solicited investors at the Texas Bitcoin Conference on March 6th with the statements “we don’t do any verification” and “we’re not 572505;1395418176;ThickAsThieves;the paperwork police,” and informed interested parties that capital contributions in bitcoin would be accepted. 572506;1395418192;ThickAsThieves;and you thought Havelock was bad 572507;1395418204;ThickAsThieves;these guys are doing worse on a stage 572508;1395418207;ThickAsThieves;lol 572509;1395418225;mircea_popescu;well obviously its a sliding scale. 572510;1395418242;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07000023 = 1.05 BTC [-] {3} 572511;1395418243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52400 @ 0.00093677 = 49.0867 BTC [+] {2} 572512;1395418268;mircea_popescu;personally, i blame the bitcoin foundation, and murck especially. 572513;1395418278;ThickAsThieves;interesting to finally see a bitcoin securities article in the bitcoin "community" media 572514;1395418291;mircea_popescu;their completely clueless, "let's do the motions" calisthenic approach to things is going to get a lot of young men as per the quote above in a lot of trouble 572515;1395418297;ThickAsThieves;the BF is scourge in most ways 572516;1395418312;LordPutin;i really hate bf 572517;1395418317;LordPutin;such scum 572518;1395418340;ThickAsThieves;the article http://bitcoinmagazine.com/11395/securities-registration-requirements-holding-bitcoin-back/ 572519;1395418363;LordPutin;but at least they're taking the heat 572520;1395418364;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.61038917 = 3.0519 BTC [+] {5} 572521;1395418387;ThickAsThieves;"However, anecdotal accounts have suggested that many participants in successful Kickstarter campaigns ultimately receive nothing at all from the companies to which they contribute." 572522;1395418390;ThickAsThieves;is that true? 572523;1395418397;jborkl;I did see the booth there pimping oil and gas 572524;1395418427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.61098914 = 3.6659 BTC [+] {2} 572525;1395418430;ThickAsThieves;"At least one website, BitFunder.com, provided a centralized place to both solicit and offer shares in Bitcoin related startups before shutting down last fall. " 572526;1395418432;ThickAsThieves;wtf 572527;1395418437;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves its not anecdotal. 572528;1395418445;ThickAsThieves;THAT'S who gets a mention? 572529;1395418460;mircea_popescu;lol 572530;1395418467;jborkl;GLBSE should have been the headliner 572531;1395418475;mircea_popescu;the bitcoin ragazine ? what is surprising to you here ? 572532;1395418482;ThickAsThieves;lol and of cource an Ethereum plug follows shortly after 572533;1395418489;ThickAsThieves;"Further, the concept of self-executing contracts, powered by Ethereum, could take much of the risk of non-performance by managers of startups off the table. " 572534;1395418498;ThickAsThieves;course* 572535;1395418508;ThickAsThieves;... 572536;1395418509;ThickAsThieves;... 572537;1395418511;mircea_popescu;this is exactly the problem. they keep getting beaten to shit, they keep hopping right up again 572538;1395418514;mircea_popescu;because infinite hitpoints. 572539;1395418524;ThickAsThieves;oh wait 572540;1395418531;ThickAsThieves;they seal it with a big fat kiss 572541;1395418533;mircea_popescu;at least shrem had the minimal decency to admit he's wrong. vessenes will have to go to prison, 572542;1395418533;ThickAsThieves;"Given the technological sophistication of most Bitcoiners, equity crowdfunding with payment in bitcoins is undoubtedly a solid match." 572543;1395418535;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/03/compromised-comsec.htm 572544;1395418541;mircea_popescu;and he will go to prison still sprouting his delusional nonsense. 572545;1395418573;ThickAsThieves;bitcoinragazine has a sense of humor now? 572546;1395418632;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well apparently some people see right through it. 572547;1395418671;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not like it's hard 572548;1395418677;ThickAsThieves;so, to confirm, Tor is essentially useless, in regards to its original purpose, now? 572549;1395418724;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/447044579049873408 572550;1395418735;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves twas on trilema was it not. 572551;1395418747;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Has it ever been useful for its stated purpose? 572552;1395418753;ThickAsThieves;i have no idea 572553;1395418777;ThickAsThieves;i asssumed it once worked as intended 572554;1395418777;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: tor is great because any kid can set up his own nsa, vacuuming up the packets of 'seekoore' idiots. i'll leave it at that. 572555;1395418807;ThickAsThieves;but i guess that window was very small and closed long ago 572556;1395418817;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/dear-guardian-stop-being-retarded/ 572557;1395418817;ozbot;Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 572558;1395418820;ThickAsThieves;if it was ever a window at all 572559;1395418832;asciilifeform;;;google tor exit sweden 572560;1395418833;gribble;Dan Egerstad's Tor exit nodes get him arrested and proves a point I ...: <http://www.zdnet.com/blog/berlind/dan-egerstads-tor-exit-nodes-get-him-arrested-and-proves-a-point-i-made-in-july/900>; Swedish Researchers Uncover Dirty Tor Exit Relays: <http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/malicious-tor-exit-relays-136828>; Tips for Running an Exit Node with Minimal Harassment | The Tor (1 more message) 572561;1395418876;mircea_popescu;not exactly a secret in any sense, except for the reddit crowd. 572562;1395418893;radan;so, dr. popescu 572563;1395418903;mircea_popescu;why do you keep calling me dr. btw ? 572564;1395418907;ThickAsThieves;mircea, do you have any earned titles? 572565;1395418913;mircea_popescu;well... baron ? 572566;1395418918;ThickAsThieves;yeah? 572567;1395418929;radan;you said you would explain how a turn for traditionalism is related to femininity 572568;1395418942;mircea_popescu;radan a, that was a previous discussion, did you read that log ? 572569;1395418957;radan;I did 572570;1395418968;BingoBoingo;http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/03/21/iran_s_fake_aircraft_carrier_u_s_officials_say_iran_navy_might_blow_it_up.html 572571;1395418968;ozbot;Iran's fake aircraft carrier: U.S. officials say Iran Navy might blow it up for propaganda purposes. 572572;1395418970;mircea_popescu;ok. so i didn't read your "i wanna go to syria" as a "turn for traditionalism" 572573;1395418976;mircea_popescu;i read it simply as a desire to be hurt. 572574;1395418991;radan;well, young men have traditionally wanted to fight, and kill, since time immemorial 572575;1395419000;mircea_popescu;sure. 572576;1395419000;radan;modern society provides no outlet for this 572577;1395419005;mircea_popescu;not true. 572578;1395419021;mircea_popescu;you can start slinging dope downtown, you can join the marines, on it goes. 572579;1395419032;mircea_popescu;both the mob and the govt are always hiring. 572580;1395419034;ThickAsThieves;i'm not sure fighting and killing is the accurate distillation 572581;1395419045;radan;I'd rather not get arrested, and I'm well on my way towards getting a good degree 572582;1395419050;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves but it seems to be his distillation nevertheless. 572583;1395419062;radan;if I can fight, I want to do it in defense of my people and for a cause I deem just 572584;1395419062;mircea_popescu;radan and you wish me to explain how all this is all about being a cunt ? 572585;1395419070;mircea_popescu;right right. 572586;1395419071;ThickAsThieves;http://trilema.com/2013/the-divine-cunt/ 572587;1395419073;ozbot;The Divine Cunt pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 572588;1395419096;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.611 BTC [+] 572589;1395419099;radan;I'm interested in your analysis 572590;1395419132;BingoBoingo;radan: Most nations with armed forces have some sort of Officer Candidate course that can be pursued after a degree 572591;1395419133;mircea_popescu;seems self-obvious, neh ? if you want to wear a skirt in the shape of a good degree or not being arrested, that's fine and dandy, but if you want to be a man you generallyt couldn't care less what you're wearing. 572592;1395419140;mircea_popescu;at least, that is the traditional view on the matter. 572593;1395419157;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61976742 = 1.2395 BTC [+] 572594;1395419179;radan;see, I don't think there's anything manly about dying for a ridiculous cause 572595;1395419190;radan;and most causes the US Army pursues are ridiculous 572596;1395419198;mircea_popescu;but what makes you suspect you;d know ? 572597;1395419218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.0009405 = 6.7716 BTC [+] 572598;1395419218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.62 = 2.48 BTC [+] {2} 572599;1395419221;ThickAsThieves;so what IS manly? 572600;1395419244;radan;in general, anything with high testosterone 572601;1395419248;ThickAsThieves;... 572602;1395419249;radan;in this specific scenario 572603;1395419251;radan;to fight in defense of your people 572604;1395419259;radan;at least, that's what I think of it 572605;1395419259;mircea_popescu;you ever seen The Caine Mutiny ? 572606;1395419279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05899899 = 0.295 BTC [+] {2} 572607;1395419281;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06902187 = 1.1043 BTC [-] {3} 572608;1395419282;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.063001 = 0.126 BTC [+] 572609;1395419283;radan;so I value much more the syrian who goes to war for his people - on either side - than the US soldier 572610;1395419295;ThickAsThieves;btw I watched Gardens in the Night, turns out I had seen it before. it's awfully slow movie 572611;1395419299;ThickAsThieves;an 572612;1395419306;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it is slow. 572613;1395419338;radan;who signs his life and his family's future over for thirty talents 572614;1395419341;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves anyway, i like how between our two questions he picked to answer yours. 572615;1395419372;ThickAsThieves;and it wasnt even really an answer 572616;1395419385;radan;dr. popescu, the vagaries of the US army are well known the world over 572617;1395419387;mircea_popescu;that's a lot more debatable, not that i idsagree. 572618;1395419389;ThickAsThieves;what's manly? well man juice of course! 572619;1395419396;mircea_popescu;radan the "us army" are not your problem. 572620;1395419401;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-] 572621;1395419404;mircea_popescu;quoth Lt. Barney Greenwald: "Ah, you're learning, Willie! You're learning that you don't work with a captain because you like the way he parts his hair. You work with him because he's got the job or you're no good! " 572622;1395419412;radan;they would be if I joined them 572623;1395419416;BingoBoingo;radan: There's always the French foreign legion 572624;1395419419;radan;which is one of the reasons I'm not 572625;1395419419;mircea_popescu;no, tyhey whould not be 572626;1395419422;radan;the FFL is full of arabs 572627;1395419426;radan;and criminals 572628;1395419427;mircea_popescu;not unless they call you a general chief of staff 572629;1395419439;ThickAsThieves;does one really even choose to join the US Army? 572630;1395419445;ThickAsThieves;it's more likely baked into a man 572631;1395419453;mircea_popescu;hm 572632;1395419458;radan;the French use them as cannon fodder in colonial hellholes 572633;1395419462;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06201001 = 0.124 BTC [-] {2} 572634;1395419463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00094037 = 2.8211 BTC [-] 572635;1395419463;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05899899 = 0.118 BTC [+] 572636;1395419465;radan;I say the French 572637;1395419473;radan;I mean sarkozy and his oligarch bunch 572638;1395419486;mircea_popescu;you know the communists took over meanwhile ? 572639;1395419492;radan;where? 572640;1395419494;radan;France? 572641;1395419497;mircea_popescu;well yes. 572642;1395419498;BingoBoingo;Yeah 572643;1395419510;chetty;from the female standpoint = taking up arms beyond your own needs does not make you a man 572644;1395419511;radan;hollande is prime minister, now 572645;1395419519;mircea_popescu;anyway, being a man is all about fighting and getting killed for the proper oligarch. 572646;1395419532;nubbins`;chetty +1 572647;1395419535;mircea_popescu;this bullshit where you find fault with the world belongs with the skirts in a cramped greenwich village coffee house. 572648;1395419553;radan;the contry is run as it has been for an eternity by unelected bureaucrats and "rootless cosmopolitans" 572649;1395419565;mircea_popescu;uh 572650;1395419572;mircea_popescu;you can say jews you know, nobody cares. 572651;1395419579;chetty;the country? you mean the world 572652;1395419591;radan;France more so than many other places 572653;1395419602;hdbuck;+1 ^^ 572654;1395419604;radan;I think they have very little leeway over North Korea and Iran, for example 572655;1395419616;radan;which may be the reason those countries are so vilified lately 572656;1395419618;mircea_popescu;wasn't khomeini jewish ? 572657;1395419645;nubbins`;did i ever tell you guys about the client who insisted on "eco-friendly" (6.25%!) garments flown in from the other side of the continent rather than choosing local garments for half the price? 572658;1395419667;nubbins`;well this supplier they insisted on choosing fucked the order royally, and the remainder of it showed up today, 21 days late 572659;1395419675;nubbins`;the word "organic" isn't even on the tags anywhere 572660;1395419686;nubbins`;imagine, paying an extra ten dollars per shirt for the word "earth" 572661;1395419706;mircea_popescu;people pay an extra ten bitcoins per site for the words "bestest ever"... 572662;1395419707;nubbins`;my sides, etc 572663;1395419715;chetty;probably a lot more pollution too, transport and all 572664;1395419724;nubbins`;chetty: massively larger carbon footprint 572665;1395419728;nubbins`;but y'know, "organic" 572666;1395419738;nubbins`;"nature" 572667;1395419752;mircea_popescu;i wonder if they ever genetically engineer a colony of bacteria that knits 572668;1395419768;nubbins`;she was given the choice between a minimal environmental impact and the appearance of one, and she chose the latter 572669;1395419769;mircea_popescu;or maybe really small spiders. 572670;1395419774;nubbins`;STOP IT 572671;1395419790;mircea_popescu;imagine nubs : underwear you could eat 572672;1395419793;mircea_popescu;and so silky smooth... 572673;1395419795;chetty;sure, nanobots 572674;1395419802;nubbins`;you can already buy edible undies 572675;1395419809;nubbins`;but would ya really eat a pair? ;( 572676;1395419809;mircea_popescu;yes but not nearly as disgusting. 572677;1395419812;nubbins`;http://xkcd.com/790/ 572678;1395419812;ozbot;xkcd: Control 572679;1395419821;nubbins`;^ spiders and lsd in the same comic! 572680;1395419825;nubbins`;worlds collide 572681;1395419828;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 264 @ 0.00328036 = 0.866 BTC [+] {7} 572682;1395419842;radan;my philosophy goes like this. 572683;1395419847;radan;the current system of governance and finance, media and education, is dominated by a people hostile to my own 572684;1395419853;radan;any interaction I have with this society can only benefit them to our detriment 572685;1395419859;mircea_popescu;radan which are your own ? 572686;1395419859;radan;as a result 572687;1395419862;nubbins`;gone again, gotta track down sausage casings 572688;1395419864;radan;I don't see anything manly, or even beneficial in a feminine way, from sticking with it 572689;1395419889;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5736 @ 0.00383393 = 21.9914 BTC [+] {48} 572690;1395419898;LordPutin;we need to get rid of women also 572691;1395419909;LordPutin;so can just hang out with our guy friends all day 572692;1395419918;chetty;radan there are many ways to buck the system, hang around here for a bit 572693;1395419946;radan;I'm Bulgarian, but nationality's a social construct. when I say "my people" I'm using it as a shorthand for people genetically close to me 572694;1395419979;radan;and anyway I study in the United States 572695;1395419999;radan;where the people are mixed beyond all belief 572696;1395420003;radan;and equally deluded 572697;1395420026;mircea_popescu;mkay. so saying "any interaction I have with this society can only benefit them to our detriment" is not only problematic seeing how you're away studying, but moreover a restatement of "x is invulnerable" 572698;1395420053;mircea_popescu;if you really believe that it'd seem your failure to reculturate is insanity. 572699;1395420072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07000022 = 0.14 BTC [+] 572700;1395420105;mircea_popescu;besides, the best fucks i ever had were with people who weren't particularly genetically close to me. 572701;1395420108;mircea_popescu;don't limit yourself. 572702;1395420111;radan;I think the combined force of 15 million merchants and half a billion shabbos goyim is invulnerable to a single teenager, yes 572703;1395420123;hdbuck;me sad for france :( 572704;1395420124;mircea_popescu;what, sort-of like goliath ? 572705;1395420129;mircea_popescu;depends on the teenager. 572706;1395420134;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00409107 = 4.0911 BTC [+] {6} 572707;1395420136;radan;I don't know what you mean by reculture, either 572708;1395420143;radan;I've mostly grown up in American culture 572709;1395420147;radan;my mannerisms are American 572710;1395420149;mircea_popescu;aculturation is the process throuygh which one becomes a part of a culture. 572711;1395420164;mircea_popescu;reculturation is the process called marriage for women, where an individual moves from one culture to another. 572712;1395420164;radan;what is American culture, though 572713;1395420177;mircea_popescu;well you're there, what are you asking me for. 572714;1395420186;radan;I follow the customs of this country 572715;1395420188;radan;beyond that 572716;1395420194;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00412996 = 2.478 BTC [+] {10} 572717;1395420195;mircea_popescu;so do you like date ? 572718;1395420208;radan;yeah 572719;1395420211;BingoBoingo;American culture is mostly distorted versions of other cultures kind of assembled after a long game of telephone 572720;1395420212;radan;not this semester 572721;1395420213;radan;but 572722;1395420214;mircea_popescu;what's it like ? 572723;1395420232;radan;it's not anything like the movies portray it, lol 572724;1395420236;radan;it's just 572725;1395420239;radan;if you like a girl 572726;1395420242;radan;you hang out with her more 572727;1395420252;radan;and schedule stuff to do I gues 572728;1395420255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0041 = 0.41 BTC [-] 572729;1395420270;mircea_popescu;you're obviously not studying very hard. 572730;1395420272;radan;I don't know how you do it in Wallachia 572731;1395420285;mircea_popescu;horseface whatshername would be ashamed of you. 572732;1395420305;radan;it's just normal, here. I can't really think of an alternativfe 572733;1395420306;radan;it's just normal, here. I can't really think of an alternativfe 572734;1395420313;mircea_popescu;;;ud sex in the city 572735;1395420314;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sex%20and%20the%20city | A now retired HBO series in syndication that chronicles the life of four single heterosexual women living in New York City who behave like stereoty... 572736;1395420315;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: sex and the city 572737;1395420317;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07000022 = 0.28 BTC [+] 572738;1395420338;radan;going back to the society bit 572739;1395420361;LordPutin;should you shave your balls for the first date? 572740;1395420377;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07298989 = 1.2408 BTC [+] {3} 572741;1395420381;radan;seeing as how all of modern life and culture and all that are dust 572742;1395420390;radan;vanity of vanities 572743;1395420400;radan;umm 572744;1395420404;radan;just generally meaningless 572745;1395420414;radan;the natural thing for a man to do 572746;1395420418;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't go as far as to say all. 572747;1395420424;mircea_popescu;not that it's a novel idea to do so. 572748;1395420434;radan;is to follow the same prerogative that has guided his ancestors since the dawn of life 572749;1395420438;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299 = 0.365 BTC [+] 572750;1395420439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.0009405 = 22.619 BTC [+] 572751;1395420443;mircea_popescu;well that may be tricky. 572752;1395420464;radan;the biological imperative. 572753;1395420481;mircea_popescu;so what are you doing here then 572754;1395420481;radan;of course it's tricky in the West 572755;1395420483;mircea_popescu;epulu awaits. 572756;1395420490;radan;they call it racism, nepotism, whatever 572757;1395420511;radan;unless you're a minority you're expected to treat everyone equally 572758;1395420519;radan;and those bastards have the audacity to call it altruism 572759;1395420529;radan;never mind that altruism refers to helping out one's own 572760;1395420537;radan;not the entire vast sum of humanity 572761;1395420539;mircea_popescu;not necessarily. 572762;1395420562;radan;what am I doing in the United States 572763;1395420567;radan;it's a damn good question 572764;1395420578;radan;some days I really feel like getting the fuck out of here 572765;1395420583;mircea_popescu;well i imagine your parents just took you there as an object 572766;1395420585;radan;but 572767;1395420594;radan;my plan is to graduate with a degree in petroleum engineering 572768;1395420601;radan;work for a few years in the oil industry 572769;1395420607;radan;save up a reasonable sum of money 572770;1395420609;BingoBoingo;radan: What part of the States are you most familiar with? 572771;1395420620;radan;invest a little in Mongolia or somewhere with a lot of resources 572772;1395420626;radan;and finally return to Europe 572773;1395420638;radan;where I can work on my goal full time. 572774;1395420677;radan;I live in Louisiana, bingo. it's a great state 572775;1395420684;radan;the people are very polite and friendly 572776;1395420687;Ghaleon;poboys 572777;1395420697;LorenzoMoney;http://www.engadget.com/2014/03/20/sec-investigation-of-bitcoin-based-stock-sale/ 572778;1395420698;ozbot;SEC investigation of Bitcoin-based stock sale could lead to broader regulation 572779;1395420700;Ghaleon;i was in New orelans after Katrina 572780;1395420710;Ghaleon;good folks there.. city is corrupt tho.. sin city... 572781;1395420712;BingoBoingo;radan: It is polite country out there 572782;1395420727;BingoBoingo;Ghaleon: Corruption isn't always a bad thing 572783;1395420728;radan;well, when you look at the people doing the corruption 572784;1395420734;radan;you begin to notice a trend among them 572785;1395420735;mircea_popescu;LorenzoMoney https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/446867449343139841 572786;1395420755;radan;it's either nigs doing it or cajuns 572787;1395420756;mircea_popescu;Ghaleon i doubt anything beats chicago, still. 572788;1395420763;Ghaleon;new orleans cops were scary.. the DEA helped me rebuild a school for some nuns.. but first they wanted to beat me lol 572789;1395420795;radan;and of course there's the jewish nepotism you'll find anywhere 572790;1395420798;Ghaleon;lose the tan when dealing with them :/ if ya know what I mean 572791;1395420807;radan;but that isn't considered corruption here 572792;1395420816;Ghaleon;lol yeah... 572793;1395420865;radan;dr. popescu, my parents did take me here. 572794;1395420876;radan;and, all things considered, I'm glad they did 572795;1395420908;radan;but it's a miserable society. 572796;1395420910;LorenzoMoney;jewish nepotism and new orleans and hyrricanes? WHat a fucking idiot you are 572797;1395420924;radan;people always ask me about New Orleans 572798;1395420930;radan;I tell them it's a great city to live in 572799;1395420930;LordPutin;LorenzoMoney i'm scared 572800;1395420945;LorenzoMoney;no wonder your ancestors were stupid enough to give up their paganism for the idiocy of catholicism 572801;1395420951;radan;but I would never raise children here 572802;1395420975;ThickAsThieves;<radan> but it's a miserable society. /// how do you distinguish a miserable society, from a miserable world, from a miserable you? 572803;1395420986;radan;well, obviously one leads to the other 572804;1395420987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07298991 = 0.9489 BTC [-] {3} 572805;1395420998;radan;but I really don't think I would be unhappy in a traditional lifestyle 572806;1395421000;ThickAsThieves;yeah but you probly have the order wrong 572807;1395421029;Ghaleon;orleans was scary as hell during and after katrina... the racism there is so dense.. 572808;1395421043;radan;I mean 572809;1395421046;radan;the world is fucked up 572810;1395421057;radan;but there are still happy people in Afghanistan and Thibet and Borneo 572811;1395421061;Ghaleon;felt with the army, sea, nuns and a bunch of dudes carrying heavy weapons shoed up usually.... pretty much bandits.. but i felt their pain 572812;1395421067;radan;and those weird as fuck little tribesmen in Africa 572813;1395421087;hdbuck;and mp ^^ 572814;1395421092;Ghaleon;the native , aboriginal peoples are closest to God 572815;1395421099;radan;depression, mental ilness, and the concomitant host of modern evils 572816;1395421115;BingoBoingo;radan: Have you ever tried the Mardi Gras thing? I've found that SoCo Hurricaines make the misery go away. 572817;1395421119;radan;are not found where people have work to do, real work. 572818;1395421137;radan;"the Mardi Gras thing" 572819;1395421143;radan;you're outting yourself for a yankee 572820;1395421161;BingoBoingo;radan: MidWesterner 572821;1395421171;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.00360002 = 0.4968 BTC [-] 572822;1395421173;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07000023 = 0.35 BTC [-] 572823;1395421175;radan;everything north of the Mason Dixon line and west of Texas 572824;1395421177;BingoBoingo;Closest major city is St Louis 572825;1395421181;ThickAsThieves;alcohol is a mistress that way BingoBoingo, "The love I sell you in the evening, by the morning won't exist" 572826;1395421183;radan;might as well be Boston 572827;1395421206;ThickAsThieves;although that lyric is likely about cocaine 572828;1395421209;radan;I spent some time in Indiana 572829;1395421220;radan;the white people there act like africans here 572830;1395421226;BingoBoingo;radan: A good portion of the neighboring country here was functionally in the other part of the US in the 1860's 572831;1395421229;ThickAsThieves;a great song, if you can handle a dash of emo: http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/3530822107858489409/ 572832;1395421265;radan;going back to my point 572833;1395421275;radan;people are happy when they can work to feed themselves and their families 572834;1395421282;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: I actually rather enjoy the hangovers 572835;1395421283;radan;and ensure an existence for their children 572836;1395421301;radan;they are generally not happy in huge impersonal concrete cities 572837;1395421313;radan;doing "work" solely of the intellectual flavor 572838;1395421316;ThickAsThieves;my point more lies in that alcohol causes a creeping depression 572839;1395421321;radan;and having very few children 572840;1395421324;ThickAsThieves;mostly hard to detect 572841;1395421329;radan;as is, for some reason, the modern custom. 572842;1395421338;spam_mania;no alcohol causes a creeping depression. 572843;1395421348;ThickAsThieves;such that you begin to feel it's the world, when really it's your body 572844;1395421354;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 94 @ 0.00355905 = 0.3346 BTC [-] {4} 572845;1395421384;ThickAsThieves;chased by the dragon, in a way 572846;1395421405;BingoBoingo;It thought chasing the dragon was about people racing horses in their veins 572847;1395421414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00093881 = 9.3881 BTC [-] {2} 572848;1395421441;mircea_popescu;radan nobody is arguing that the us isn't miserable. most of all not thinking people living there 572849;1395421443;ThickAsThieves;well chasing the dragon is chasing a high that cannot be physiologically achieved anymore 572850;1395421474;mircea_popescu;and i dunno who in their right mind would raise their children there, either. 572851;1395421504;mircea_popescu;anyway, to liven up the discussion a little, 572852;1395421508;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/34769108d6653d75dc6bf21082cb8295/tumblr_metam8EJnw1rmcr76o1_1280.jpg 572853;1395421523;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=587 // they didnt include an address to send flowers, nor a funeral date 572854;1395421560;mircea_popescu;heh, gallipi really wants to be stupid huh. 572855;1395421577;mircea_popescu;i guess every man gets to make that choice for himself. 572856;1395421580;ThickAsThieves;i like the typography of the new bitpay logo, but the left angle on the box is not parallel 572857;1395421597;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00093079 = 4.654 BTC [-] {3} 572858;1395421620;ThickAsThieves;the "ay" snuggling is kinda pro 572859;1395421648;kakobrekla;if only highlevelminer had such logo 572860;1395421658;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves what's a snuggling ? 572861;1395421662;mircea_popescu;ianat 572862;1395421686;radan;the a and the y follow a curve 572863;1395421692;mircea_popescu;oh i see 572864;1395421711;ThickAsThieves;it's just good lettering 572865;1395421719;ThickAsThieves;but they ruin it with that lefy angle 572866;1395421722;ThickAsThieves;left* 572867;1395421744;DudeSj;mircea_popescu, 572868;1395421750;ThickAsThieves;such things stick out like sore thumbs to me 572869;1395421777;mircea_popescu;"murder she wrote" 572870;1395421804;ThickAsThieves;lol 572871;1395421823;Namworld;[12:57] <radan> the world is fucked up 572872;1395421851;radan;ikr? 572873;1395421856;radan;it's horrible 572874;1395421858;radan;we need to fix it 572875;1395421867;Namworld;Well I can't say this year compared to the latest years. But on the longer term, the world is the least fucked up it's ever been, if by fucked up you mean things like torture, violence and such. 572876;1395421875;radan;of course I don't 572877;1395421881;radan;why would that be metric for "fucked up" 572878;1395421887;kakobrekla;horrible? terrible is what it is. 572879;1395421909;BingoBoingo;Eh, if the world was stable, there'd be no room for opportunity 572880;1395421909;mircea_popescu;the world is runcible 572881;1395421912;ThickAsThieves;abominable too! 572882;1395421919;chetty;the best way to 'fix' stuff is leave it be 572883;1395421929;ThickAsThieves;best way to fix all your problems is to die 572884;1395421932;ThickAsThieves;you first! 572885;1395421933;Namworld;Not that it doesn't need improving. There's no perfection that can be reached. There's always room to further improve. 572886;1395421957;Namworld;But the world ain't as bad as the medias portray it. 572887;1395421984;radan;it's much, much worse 572888;1395421989;ThickAsThieves;"The White House wants to know how worried you are about data privacy" 572889;1395421999;kakobrekla;blah blah blah heat death of the universe, who cares 572890;1395422000;radan;anyway 572891;1395422004;ThickAsThieves;http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/technology/big-data-review 572892;1395422004;ozbot;Watch a message from Counselor to the President John Podesta. | The White House 572893;1395422004;radan;if things were at equilibrium 572894;1395422007;ThickAsThieves;lol 572895;1395422014;radan;leaving them be would be the greatest course of actionj 572896;1395422031;ThickAsThieves;Have a problem with NSA? Fill out this form. Have a nice day! 572897;1395422032;radan;but with a whole host of hostile actors pushing them in a certain direction 572898;1395422043;mircea_popescu;radan you're in school anyway. why's your focus the state of the world ? 572899;1395422044;radan;it is the duty of any right-thinking man to push them back 572900;1395422050;mircea_popescu;the world's a lot older than you are. 572901;1395422061;radan;this is a world I plan to live in 572902;1395422083;Namworld;Crime, corruption, violence, torture, selfish wars. They were far more frequent in the "good old time of yore". 572903;1395422091;radan;I'd like to know more about it before I pay it my pound of flesh 572904;1395422100;radan;and what I've learned so far isn't very encouraging 572905;1395422115;Namworld;World is literally paradise compared to what it used to be. 572906;1395422116;ThickAsThieves;"How much do these types of data collection concern you?" 572907;1395422124;chetty;if the direction is bad it will fix itself - not pleasantly but ... 572908;1395422126;ThickAsThieves;"How much do you trust these institutions with your data?" 572909;1395422128;ThickAsThieves;... 572910;1395422144;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/status/447039816497377280 572911;1395422144;ozbot;Twitter / RichardEngel: Alaska was part of #russia ... 572912;1395422168;radan;namworld, you define paradise like a soft fat man 572913;1395422172;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/447059066167500801 572914;1395422176;kakobrekla;he can just chargeback through paypal 572915;1395422188;mircea_popescu;hahahaha 572916;1395422209;Namworld;Study history further before saying it isn't very encouraging. World has improved and it can still be improved. 572917;1395422217;Namworld;What do you mean by soft fat man? 572918;1395422247;Namworld;I'm neither fat nor soft. Although yes I am a male. 572919;1395422299;ThickAsThieves;"How much do you trust these institutions with your data?" "Stop." 572920;1395422303;ThickAsThieves;oops 572921;1395422306;ThickAsThieves;wrong quote 572922;1395422315;ThickAsThieves;How much do you trust these institutions with your data? Stop. 572923;1395422318;ThickAsThieves;ddammit 572924;1395422322;ThickAsThieves;they wont let me quote it 572925;1395422324;mircea_popescu;lmao 572926;1395422325;ThickAsThieves;fuckers 572927;1395422327;kakobrekla;just stop. 572928;1395422328;mircea_popescu;get a real os ? 572929;1395422344;ThickAsThieves;Is there anything else you'd like to tell us about your thoughts on this issue? 572930;1395422347;ThickAsThieves;thqat was it 572931;1395422353;ThickAsThieves;anyway 572932;1395422356;ThickAsThieves;fukn joke 572933;1395422388;ThickAsThieves;what answers do they expect? Yes, I love people collecting data on me! 572934;1395422441;mircea_popescu;http://www.lawyerherald.com/articles/5041/20140321/gambling-website-under-sec-probe-over-bitcoin-denominated-stock-sale.htm 572935;1395422447;mircea_popescu;is this thing legit or mostly a seo-spamsite 572936;1395422457;asciilifeform;radan: do you know russian? because if yes, you'd enjoy limonov's 'disciplinary sanitarium' (http://royallib.ru/book/limonov_eduard/distsiplinarniy_sanatoriy.html) 572937;1395422499;Namworld;The life in nature is a very cruel one, radan. Humans can be just as cruel. But as time passes and our understanding of ourselves improves, we seem to be doing away with that. 572938;1395422532;ThickAsThieves;here's your answer Mircea: "SatochiDice " 572939;1395422537;mircea_popescu;o right 572940;1395422540;mircea_popescu;ty. 572941;1395422544;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Appears to be a page scraper 572942;1395422544;radan;I love Russian 572943;1395422554;radan;I was talking to some russians a minute ago 572944;1395422558;Namworld;Sure there's regions where it's a hellhole right now. Those places change over the ages. Globally, overall, crime rate, wars, torture, hate, violence, etc are pretty low. 572945;1395422565;radan;you're so deluded, mate 572946;1395422567;radan;hate 572947;1395422573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 51 @ 0.07351136 = 3.7491 BTC [+] {9} 572948;1395422575;radan;terrorisms 572949;1395422582;radan;do you even believe in these things 572950;1395422587;kakobrekla;and graffiti 572951;1395422588;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves this is how the nsa works, by the way. we've just used BUMBLEBEE to identify the source of leaked documents. 572952;1395422592;radan;they're meaningless, unquantifiable buzzwords 572953;1395422595;ThickAsThieves;this is a good little tactic, insert retarded mistakes into articles 572954;1395422598;ThickAsThieves;you win 572955;1395422608;mircea_popescu;this is why my rss feed starts with the ip of the scraper 572956;1395422611;radan;and I guarantee you the modern liberal has much more hate in his heart than a christian 2000 years ago 572957;1395422612;mircea_popescu;so i can ban them 572958;1395422617;Namworld;That you hear about it a lot in the media doesn't mean that the world isn't better than before. Sure those things happen. I'm not questioning it. 572959;1395422631;radan;you're problem is that you define good as anything weak 572960;1395422635;radan;like softness 572961;1395422643;radan;and being a pacifistic, sexless pusys 572962;1395422649;ThickAsThieves;i was thinking, itd be nice to have the trilema model accessible to more of us 572963;1395422649;BingoBoingo;Soft tits are good though 572964;1395422652;assbot;Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1751063/plain/) 572965;1395422652;mircea_popescu;!b 5 572966;1395422653;ThickAsThieves;credit system 572967;1395422659;ThickAsThieves;IP blocking 572968;1395422660;ThickAsThieves;etc 572969;1395422670;ThickAsThieves;i dont wanna deal with runnning Wordpress 572970;1395422672;ThickAsThieves;etc 572971;1395422674;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it's trivial to implement neh ? 572972;1395422677;radan;whereas goodness to me is virtue 572973;1395422683;radan;and living like a man 572974;1395422687;ThickAsThieves;not trivial to maintain though 572975;1395422689;radan;and having a lot of children 572976;1395422695;Namworld;Did I ever define good as that? I don't recall using those words you portray me to have said. 572977;1395422705;radan;orwell wrote about people like you 572978;1395422712;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: It isn't as onerous as some make it seem 572979;1395422718;ThickAsThieves;WP exploits are like daily, no? 572980;1395422722;Namworld;I'm saying, if you're not happy about the current state of the world, will you just lay down or work to help it keep improving? 572981;1395422732;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: Depends on the kind of exploit 572982;1395422733;radan;it's not improving 572983;1395422733;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i never had one. never updated since what, 2008 572984;1395422736;radan;that's the whole point 572985;1395422741;radan;it's becoming softer and worse 572986;1395422748;radan;worse in every conceivable way 572987;1395422758;Namworld;I've never said to be apathetic and not doing anything. 572988;1395422768;ThickAsThieves;i dont have "people" to set such up properly anymore 572989;1395422774;ThickAsThieves;meh 572990;1395422780;radan;you and I have very different conceptions of improvement 572991;1395422782;ThickAsThieves;my statement remains, it'd be nice 572992;1395422787;Namworld;It's been becoming worse since when, tell me? 572993;1395422807;radan;I think you think "activists" and little intellectual fuckers with low testosterone to be helping the world out somehow 572994;1395422812;chetty;radan: worse in every conceivable way // lack of imagination 572995;1395422814;radan;whereas they are the very ones destroying it 572996;1395422817;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012964 = 0.6482 BTC [-] {8} 572997;1395422824;mircea_popescu;if anyone cares to read romanian mobster blogs, i give you http://www.nicugheara.com/ 572998;1395422834;Namworld;activists don't achieve much at all 572999;1395422843;Namworld;Not modern kind anyway. 573000;1395422843;radan;no, jews do. 573001;1395422850;radan;but you and I cannot become jews 573002;1395422866;radan;so 573003;1395422867;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524071.msg5819385#msg5819385 I'm not sure I have the energy for this guy now the MPOE-PR broke him 573004;1395422869;ozbot;Decentralized Securities (Mastercoin, Colored Coins, etc.) - SEC regulation? 573005;1395422870;radan;we need a better alternative 573006;1395422876;ThickAsThieves;that* 573007;1395422876;Namworld;What is it with people seeing the world as becoming bad invoking jews? 573008;1395422878;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07499999 = 0.75 BTC [+] {2} 573009;1395422882;radan;that's what I'm trying to set up. 573010;1395422885;Namworld;What a silly idea. 573011;1395422901;chetty;jews accept converts 573012;1395422904;radan;my goal is to found a traditional society 573013;1395422911;radan;for people of my genetic stock 573014;1395422920;radan;and live out my life in it. 573015;1395422938;Namworld;That you're jew or not matters not. Not at all. 573016;1395422938;radan;that's what I envision as an alternative... others may disagree 573017;1395422945;radan;dr. popescu may have a better solution 573018;1395422946;mircea_popescu;radan sure you can become jewish, what are you talking about 573019;1395422963;radan;yes, I can. I can even become an orthodox jew 573020;1395422967;radan;because I'm maternally jewish 573021;1395422968;mircea_popescu;right 573022;1395422972;mircea_popescu;irrespective. 573023;1395422977;radan;but your average person won't. 573024;1395422979;radan;and really 573025;1395422981;radan;can't. 573026;1395422987;radan;and anyway 573027;1395422988;Namworld;What does it matter? 573028;1395422989;only;mircea_popescu: what the actual fuck, lol. why does he think he needs a blog? 573029;1395422996;radan;Judaism benefits the jews 573030;1395423002;Namworld;Tell me how being jewish changes anything? 573031;1395423002;mircea_popescu;only he's getting old, got bored. 573032;1395423006;radan;I don't want to invest in the genetic stock of another nation 573033;1395423008;radan;another people 573034;1395423010;mircea_popescu;been in ibiza for 10ish years now 573035;1395423011;radan;another race, even 573036;1395423014;ThickAsThieves;mobster blog doesnt load for me 573037;1395423021;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i dunno who would bother in that topic tbh 573038;1395423044;mircea_popescu;so some random nobody who scammed a bunch of investors wants to continue derping on bitcointalk as if. 573039;1395423050;mircea_popescu;not the first, not the last, what of it. 573040;1395423056;asciilifeform;i'll take the liberty of translating 573041;1395423057;asciilifeform;'Испуганное проявлениями своего собственного каннибализма в первую и, более всего, во вторую мировые войны, «цивилизованное» человечество отшатнулось от hard к soft режимам. (Плюс сыграли роль еще два важнейших фактора: 1. сдержив 573042;1395423058;asciilifeform;ающее агрессивность влияние ядерных вооружений и 2. появление новых технологий производства, сделавших возможным закармливание масс.) Если сущность hard заключается в физическом подавлении человека, soft основано на поощрении е 573043;1395423058;asciilifeform;го слабостей. Идеал жесткого насилия — превратить мир в тюрьму строгого режима, идеал мягкого — превратить человека в домашнее животное.' 573044;1395423063;asciilifeform;'Frightened of its own cannibalism during the First, and, moreover, the Second world wars. 'civilized' mankind dashed from the 'hard' to the 'soft' mode of violence. (The deciding factors: 1. the restraining influence of atomic weapons and 2. the advent of new technologies of production, which made possible an overfeeding of the masses.) If the essence of 'hard' violence consists in the physical suppression of 573045;1395423068;asciilifeform;man, 'soft' is based on the encouragement of his weaknesses. The ideal of 'hard' violence - to convert the world into a maximum security prison, of 'soft' - to convert man himself into a domestic animal.' 573046;1395423075;Namworld;There's one race and only one. 573047;1395423086;asciilifeform;(limonov's 'disciplinary sanitarium') 573048;1395423088;Namworld;(For humans) 573049;1395423140;radan;we are all one race 573050;1395423164;Namworld;You just said another race 573051;1395423168;radan;never mind the overrepresentation of cosmopolitans in any powerful body in the west 573052;1395423176;radan;never mind the genetic differences between us 573053;1395423184;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00360002 = 0.3672 BTC [-] {3} 573054;1395423198;radan;never mind that your average african really cannot function in a modern society 573055;1395423203;radan;no 573056;1395423210;radan;we're all one people, blah blah blah, diversity 573057;1395423215;radan;^ the modern manifesto 573058;1395423241;mircea_popescu;radan inasmuch as pretty much any girl can carry your babies, what's your argument to difference based on ? 573059;1395423252;radan;look at it this way 573060;1395423260;radan;the whole point of reproduction 573061;1395423265;radan;is ensuring the passing on of your genes 573062;1395423280;dignork;radan, anybody can become jewish, google ״giyur״ 573063;1395423284;BingoBoingo;http://www.dorkly.com/comic/60090/8-reasons-why-youre-pretty-much-batman 573064;1395423284;ozbot;8 Reasons Why You're Pretty Much Batman - Dorkly Comic 573065;1395423285;radan;your average countrywoman will share more of them with you, even before the act, than a papuan or botswanan 573066;1395423296;radan;so by having kids with her 573067;1395423304;radan;you're passing on more of your genes to your offspring 573068;1395423307;radan;than the alternative 573069;1395423314;Namworld;Not at all... 573070;1395423317;mircea_popescu;i think this is at best a naive interpretation of genetics. 573071;1395423324;ThickAsThieves;I think I sorted out the proper reply https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524071.msg5825367#msg5825367 573072;1395423325;asciilifeform;'Among all of the crimes, the most terrible (though not punishable) is the crime against one's own self -- the failure of an individual to use his own, only life. Listen to the idiotic musical noises, park the car, labour in the light but uninteresting work, and before you know it, your tenure upon this earth is over. The collective, so-called 'civilized mankind,' has excelled in the creation of (and imposition 573073;1395423325;asciilifeform;upon the furthest reaches of the planet) a life colourless, boring, stupid, devoid of any real joys. The life of domestic animals. Against a 'Big Brother', the old 'maximum security' wearing boots and a menacing uniform, it was possible to (as history shows, this takes place sooner or later) - rise up. But how about uprising against one's own weaknesses - is this possible?' 573074;1395423330;radan;it's the whole reason we help our brothers and parents even though we have no intention of fucking them. 573075;1395423336;radan;they share our genes 573076;1395423351;radan;it's the genetic background for altruism. 573077;1395423361;BingoBoingo;This representation of genetics seems to to in practice lead to the discovery of novel diseases preventable through hybridization 573078;1395423373;radan;hybrid vigour has been disproved a long time ago 573079;1395423392;mircea_popescu;radan it seems to me my brother has just about equal chances to die by my hand than to be helped by same. 573080;1395423400;mircea_popescu;and my father is probably even worse off. 573081;1395423403;Namworld;You have a strong misunderstanding of genetics and relationships... I care not for genes, familial loyalty has more to do with being raised with people who cared for you and which you're familiar with than genes. 573082;1395423410;radan;namworld 573083;1395423417;radan;you're a soft little pale fellow 573084;1395423427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07100021 = 0.355 BTC [-] 573085;1395423446;radan;your understanding of the world is skewed 573086;1395423449;benkay;wth is going on in here this morning? 573087;1395423458;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves funny how your list of "i used to think but" keeps swelling 573088;1395423472;mircea_popescu;benkay putin launched a nuke 573089;1395423478;mircea_popescu;so now we've got stuff going on 573090;1395423481;Ghaleon;lol 573091;1395423483;radan;dr. popescu, have you heard of the bedouin 573092;1395423486;Ghaleon;we can only hope 573093;1395423492;mircea_popescu;actually i rode with the bedouin. 573094;1395423500;Namworld;You're a sad little piece of coal, brushing off darkness on everything, your understanding of the world is skewed. See, I can play that game too. 573095;1395423516;radan;that's amazing, I'm jealous 573096;1395423516;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 573097;1395423521;radan;anyway, they have a saying 573098;1395423524;mircea_popescu;Namworld the piece of coal conceit is actually quite good. yours or read somewhere ? 573099;1395423529;Namworld;Can I have arguments, not personal dismissal? 573100;1395423533;radan;"me against my brother, my brothers and me against my cousins, then my cousins and me against strangers" 573101;1395423538;mircea_popescu;radan it's not so hard to do you know, and neither expensive. 573102;1395423542;Namworld;I don't know, first black thing which popped in my mind. 573103;1395423546;ThickAsThieves;<mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves funny how your list of "i used to think but" keeps swelling // via reading, experience, or boredom, I shall transcend! 573104;1395423572;ThickAsThieves;https://btc-e.com/news/201 573105;1395423572;ozbot;loading 573106;1395423576;benkay;whoa whoa whoa mircea_popescu are you trolling me?! 573107;1395423577;mircea_popescu;"You're a sad little piece of coal, brushing off darkness on everything," definitely. should be in a poem or soemthing 573108;1395423610;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.60000006 = 3 BTC [-] {3} 573109;1395423637;radan;when you remove the distractions 573110;1395423640;dexX7;hehe i didn't know anotheranonlol is still around 573111;1395423649;radan;the whole point of our existence is to further our genes 573112;1395423659;Namworld;I'm sure piece of coal was used already somewhere by a thousand different people, and I might have read something similar. Pretty sure the sentence is original. That or brought out from a subconscious memory. 573113;1395423669;radan;so I'd rather help people out who are close to me, genetically 573114;1395423672;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07100101 = 0.355 BTC [+] 573115;1395423676;Namworld;Why? 573116;1395423681;BingoBoingo;http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2014/03/it-aint-me-ive-got-pgp-imposter.html 573117;1395423681;ozbot;GavinTech: It ain't me I've got a PGP imposter 573118;1395423684;radan;like bulgarians, wallachians, and eastern serbs 573119;1395423694;radan;than people with no genetic link to me 573120;1395423703;radan;who are "as chaff unto the wheat" 573121;1395423704;Namworld;It actually reduces the chance of your genes going on. 573122;1395423730;Namworld;Difference is good, when it comes to genetics, typically. 573123;1395423746;radan;you have a high school understanding of genetics, friend. 573124;1395423755;radan;if it was so 573125;1395423760;dignork;radan, idea of keen was born way before discovery of genes, they just happened to snap right into your bizzare view of world, it's a pure coincidence 573126;1395423765;radan;then the optimal look for people would be a coffee-skinned melange 573127;1395423780;radan;with black 573128;1395423783;radan;eyes 573129;1395423784;radan;black hair 573130;1395423805;radan;there would be no diversity in the world. 573131;1395423809;Namworld;You want to reproduce with people with as different genetics as possible, and as big a variety as possible. 573132;1395423814;radan;if mixing was genetically good 573133;1395423819;radan;then species would never seperate 573134;1395423821;mircea_popescu;you understand that even if the entire population only reproduced on strict mixing guidelines there'd still be a bunch of blondes etc. 573135;1395423833;mircea_popescu;heck, a black couple recently had a blonde kid wieth blue eyes 573136;1395423849;radan;there would be no reason to adapt to different conditions 573137;1395423854;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05899899 = 0.472 BTC [-] 573138;1395423855;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.06200012 = 0.496 BTC [-] {2} 573139;1395423860;radan;because the hybrid state would have a higher chance of survival 573140;1395423861;Namworld;Mixing your genes with more of the same, less risk of improvements. Many offspring with different genetic partners, more chance of having a good combination. 573141;1395423873;asciilifeform;last one 573142;1395423875;asciilifeform;'When the glorious Muammar Kaddafi, in his blue bournouse, or in his uniform, appear on the telly, the domesticated inhabitant of the sanitaria jerks from fright. 'Monster,' 'terrorist,' 'evildoer,' public enemy number one - the media calls him, led by its disdain for all that is envigorating (and, on top of it all, foreign), and pushed by false information supplied by CIA... ...his very existence is a rebuke, 573143;1395423875;radan;yet we live in a world with millions of species 573144;1395423875;asciilifeform;a videoclip of a fairy tale coming true... ...they [americans] also wish to drive around in jeeps, accompanied by squadrons of hotties in berets with kalashnikovs - but are impotent from birth. Envy, taken with an understanding of one's own powerless... easily transforms into hatred. The leaders of the sanitarium are easier for the 'patient' to understand, closer. He sees their permissible pecadillos, and is pl 573145;1395423875;asciilifeform;eased with their mediocrity. 'But this fellow from the desert!' (Interestingly, that among the hundreds of tyrants, in uniform and without, depending on the united states or the european sanitaria, none provoke a fraction of the wrath caused by Kaddafi. Evidently, the cause is his independence.) Kaddafi - is an extraordinary living proof of the fact that the fairy-tale version of life remains possible today. Bu 573146;1395423881;asciilifeform;t only outside of the sanitaria.' 573147;1395423881;radan;somehow they speciated 573148;1395423897;asciilifeform;^ the limonov is for radan. everyone else, feel free to ignore 573149;1395423907;Namworld;Species separate because they are physically separated and cannot travel easily/evolve in a different environment. 573150;1395423915;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.11950724 = 0.9561 BTC [-] 573151;1395423916;benkay;i want a pickup full of hotties with m16s. 573152;1395423922;benkay;when i am bitlord of cascadia... 573153;1395423928;Namworld;So they don't come in contact with each other. That's when the get speciated.... 573154;1395423935;radan;that's allopatric speciation 573155;1395423957;radan;you don't even know about parapatric or sympatric speciation 573156;1395423966;radan;either you're still in high school 573157;1395423971;radan;or you've never taken a biology class 573158;1395423980;radan;or a statistics class, for that matter. 573159;1395424028;ThickAsThieves;or he forgot, geez 573160;1395424037;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0585 = 0.117 BTC [-] 573161;1395424038;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.062 = 0.124 BTC [-] 573162;1395424109;mircea_popescu;lol matonis heard of trilema. 573163;1395424112;radan;maybe 573164;1395424122;radan;I tend to remember what I read 573165;1395424123;mircea_popescu;news travels fast, unless you're in the bitcoin peanut gallery. 573166;1395424129;Namworld;Even then, it's still because they're separated. People don't know it's ideal typically, and don't usually care about it. If they can't be assed to get to the next neighborhood to have sex and still speciation occurs, what can you do about it? 573167;1395424144;benkay;subject of bitlord of cascadia, the campaign has begun and is doing quite well, ty for asking. simply by showing up to the 'meetups', calling out scams and repeatedly hammering on points such as 'btc ≠ consumer tech' has rendered unto me many lunches and dinners paid for by cautious and quiet folk of wealth and power. 573168;1395424155;BingoBoingo;Reasons why breeding outside the group is useful https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_genetics_of_Jews 573169;1395424177;Namworld;More offsprings with more diverse genes is still better statistically. Never said people actually strived for it. They tend to prefer personally enjoyement over ensuring their genes survive. 573170;1395424180;radan;Jews have been marrying their first cousins for millenia 573171;1395424195;Namworld;Thus will mate with however they prefer, not based on genes. 573172;1395424196;radan;that's irresponsible and leads to bad effects. 573173;1395424203;benkay;some groups of jews 573174;1395424207;benkay;there are several, radan. 573175;1395424215;benkay;it's how they maintain fitness across the whole smorgasbord. 573176;1395424223;radan;third cousins, on the other hand, improve the genetic stock 573177;1395424230;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I imagine the BTC peanut gallery has the inverse problem of the one I supposed the media had in the morning's post 573178;1395424239;radan;http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/02/08/couples-who-are-third-or-fourth-cousins-have-more-kids-grandkids-than-other/ 573179;1395424258;radan;"The researchers suggest marrying third and fourth cousins is so optimal for reproduction because they sort of have the "best of both worlds." While first-cousin couples could have inbreeding problems, couples who are far-removed from each other could have genetic incompatibilities." 573180;1395424259;ThickAsThieves;looks like he heard a year ago https://twitter.com/jonmatonis/status/328926763809918977 573181;1395424295;ThickAsThieves;he just skips over the "bad" parts I guess 573182;1395424341;Namworld;If you're having a single partner, then yes, maybe that's the best course of action. But then again, what does it matter? 573183;1395424357;radan;it matters because reproduction is the whole point of our existence 573184;1395424362;radan;everything else is fluff 573185;1395424371;BingoBoingo;I wonder is ReutersEmily is filling out a requisition for a few bitcents to get Trilema credits 573186;1395424384;Namworld;You plan to live your life exclusively around optimal gene dissemination? 573187;1395424433;ThickAsThieves;wtf is this conversation? 573188;1395424436;Namworld;You'd better travel the world and rape every women along the way like Genghis Khan. 573189;1395424448;ThickAsThieves;a science class pissing contest? 573190;1395424462;dignork;radan, your personal point of existence is reproduction? Your life is boring I tell ya. 573191;1395424488;radan;not just reproduction 573192;1395424500;radan;honey bees survive despite 75% of them having no children 573193;1395424507;mircea_popescu;<radan> that's irresponsible and leads to bad effects. << dfude srsly. if i want a green eyed mulatto for breakfast, i'm porking a green eyed mulatto for breakfast. what "bad effects" 573194;1395424530;radan;because the beelets they do raise are genetically close to them 573195;1395424543;radan;so I'm the process of founding a society 573196;1395424552;radan;for people of danubian stock 573197;1395424565;mircea_popescu;there's such a thing as "danubian stock" ?! 573198;1395424566;Namworld;I have no clue. Radan is unhappy about the world and keeps mentioning jews and about mating and promoting his gene pool. 573199;1395424577;Namworld;I think I know where this is headed. 573200;1395424586;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.59070675 = 17.7212 BTC [-] {7} 573201;1395424587;radan;yes sir 573202;1395424604;radan;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Haplogroups_europe.png 573203;1395424625;mircea_popescu;seems a tenuous theory. 573204;1395424626;radan;Romanians and Bulgarians both have 70%+ old thracian genes 573205;1395424647;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-] 573206;1395424681;ThickAsThieves;so radan is here to puke his top-of-mind reading requirements all over us 573207;1395424682;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of difference between say transylvania and the south even in romania. 573208;1395424691;radan;culturally, yes 573209;1395424700;radan;genetically, you're very similar 573210;1395424706;Namworld;So what, you purport to promote your own genes, you should promote people close genetically and crush the rest? 573211;1395424707;mircea_popescu;that aside, amusingly enough, the romanian natl poet seems to have hated bulgarians (and greeks) 573212;1395424709;radan;I have a friend from maramures and we look fucking identical 573213;1395424712;Mats_cd03;im going to pour chlorine in your gene pool 573214;1395424712;mircea_popescu;for very similar reasons 573215;1395424721;Mats_cd03;this conversation sucks 573216;1395424777;mircea_popescu;http://www.romanianvoice.com/poezii/poezii/scrisoarea3.php 573217;1395424782;mircea_popescu;"Voi sunteţi urmaşii Romei? Nişte răi şi nişte fameni! 573218;1395424782;mircea_popescu;I-e ruşine omenirii să vă zică vouă oameni! 573219;1395424782;mircea_popescu;Şi această ciumă-n lume şi aceste creaturi 573220;1395424782;mircea_popescu;Nici ruşine n-au să ieie în smintitele lor guri 573221;1395424782;mircea_popescu;Gloria neamului nostru spre-a o face de ocară, 573222;1395424783;mircea_popescu;Îndrăznesc ca să rostească pân' şi numele tău... ţară!" 573223;1395424788;mircea_popescu;roughly translated as you r bad ppls! 573224;1395424797;Mats_cd03;http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-02/dg-dlc020408.php 573225;1395424804;mircea_popescu;(also humanity is ashamed to call you pepole) 573226;1395424804;Mats_cd03;'science' 573227;1395424809;radan;it's funny 573228;1395424811;radan;I can read that 573229;1395424827;mircea_popescu;also plague and so on. 573230;1395424835;radan;sorta like latin and bulgarian mixed 573231;1395424844;radan;slavim te, romanie 573232;1395424845;Mats_cd03;longitudinal study beats all the stupid links that have been appearing as evidence in this channel 573233;1395424856;BingoBoingo;Speaking of ancient web games everyone forgot about http://www.nationstates.net/nation=bingotonia 573234;1395424863;mircea_popescu;haha latin and bulgarian mixed, that's an idea. 573235;1395424878;mircea_popescu;actually... few people know but at some point bulgaria was the major kingdom in se europe 573236;1395424882;Namworld;Or you know, there's ~99.9% of genes in commons between any human and the next. Maybe if you want to promote your genes and people close genetically, you should consider all humans the same and work on ensuring humans can colonize space. That would help your genes' survival. Most of them. 573237;1395424884;mircea_popescu;kinda propped up byzantium for a while. 573238;1395424897;radan;humans will never work together 573239;1395424899;radan;as a whole 573240;1395424901;Namworld;Go do some research work for that. 573241;1395424902;Mats_cd03;its amusing that people talk about genes as though its a single cohesive entity 573242;1395424908;radan;there's a reason all attempts at it have failed 573243;1395424910;mircea_popescu;he's right. humans will only work together as a whore. 573244;1395424920;Mats_cd03;instead of, you know, dna expression being manipulable by 7-9 different factors 573245;1395424929;radan;I know all about epigenetics 573246;1395424935;mircea_popescu;well maybe not all ? 573247;1395424936;Mats_cd03;wheres that ms immunology dude that can explain this better than me 573248;1395424937;radan;it's what's behind the recent outbreaks of autism in the west 573249;1395424945;Mats_cd03;lol outbreaks 573250;1395424948;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 bugpowder ? 573251;1395424958;radan;it's not a disease our ancestors ever had to deal with 573252;1395424960;Mats_cd03;you right 573253;1395424969;mircea_popescu;radan neither is cancer. 573254;1395424991;radan;cancer has also been exacerbated by modern life 573255;1395424996;Mats_cd03;there is so much more than epigenetics in play 573256;1395424998;radan;but not to the extent of autism 573257;1395425014;Namworld;It doesn't matter if the whole of humanity doesn't work together. Humanity isn't a damn ant colony. Why would it work together as a whole? 573258;1395425022;radan;namworld 573259;1395425024;radan;what's your goal 573260;1395425026;radan;in life 573261;1395425038;Namworld;It's not like you need the whole of it to participate to go to space. 573262;1395425069;radan;what standards do you use to judge things 573263;1395425077;radan;I have a feeling they're very short sighted ones 573264;1395425093;radan;I also think you really don't have a direction in life, but maybe you'll prove me wrong 573265;1395425116;Namworld;To live. As long as possible. Surefire way of ensuring your genes' survival. 573266;1395425134;radan;oh lord 573267;1395425184;radan;you're a yudkowskyite 573268;1395425226;Namworld;I don't know who that is. 573269;1395425311;radan;it's always very young people and the insecure who want immortality 573270;1395425326;rithm;that's what i want 573271;1395425331;rithm;immorality 573272;1395425368;Namworld;I don't mind dying if that's what you're implying, or feel threatened by death in any serious way. 573273;1395425444;radan;real men 573274;1395425447;radan;even real people 573275;1395425452;radan;don't want to live forever 573276;1395425477;radan;soft fellows with low testosterone, on the other hand... 573277;1395425482;radan;well 573278;1395425488;radan;I'll leave the obvious unsaid 573279;1395425500;Namworld;You see, nothing is eternal. I've never said I'd want to exist forever. 573280;1395425501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00085071 = 0.1701 BTC [-] {4} 573281;1395425517;aclot;radan: always the young people and the insecure who talk about meaning of life :) 573282;1395425521;radan;my hypothesis is thi 573283;1395425550;radan;the reason insecure people want to live forever 573284;1395425555;radan;is that they're scared of death 573285;1395425568;radan;in nature, fear is the domain of women 573286;1395425570;Namworld;I've said as long as possible. Immortality is not a possibility. Even if you extended your life, the universe won't last forever. Killing yourself is always an option too. 573287;1395425579;radan;because they are physically weaker they need protection 573288;1395425581;radan;as such 573289;1395425599;Namworld;If you offered me immortality, I'd be scared of it. Scared of being left alone in darkness for eternity as the Universe dies. 573290;1395425610;radan;rushing head-on into situations is imprudent 573291;1395425623;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21250 @ 0.00093281 = 19.8222 BTC [+] 573292;1395425627;radan;when men are exposed to low fetal testosterone 573293;1395425641;radan;they end up very feminine 573294;1395425643;radan;with man boobs and soft skin and very little facial hair 573295;1395425656;radan;and as part of that complex 573296;1395425661;radan;they acquire a woman's timidity 573297;1395425672;radan;this is why they're scared and fearful of everything 573298;1395425678;radan;case in point 573299;1395425680;radan;"If you offered me immortality, I'd be scared of it." 573300;1395425693;radan;you're scared of death and scared of immortality 573301;1395425709;Namworld;I am not scared of death. I am of immortality however. 573302;1395425713;radan;you're literally scared of everything 573303;1395425734;radan;that is unacceptable outside of 12 year old girls 573304;1395425745;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 75 @ 0.0701 = 5.2575 BTC [-] 573305;1395425752;aclot;why? 573306;1395425767;radan;no one respects a pussy 573307;1395425773;mircea_popescu;12 yo girls aren't particularly cowardly. 573308;1395425788;mircea_popescu;and are you kidding man ?! the entire us worships 12 pussy atm. 573309;1395425788;aclot;i respect good pussy 573310;1395425806;Namworld;That, and what does it matter what people think? 573311;1395425811;radan;a pussy and pussy are different things 573312;1395425820;radan;the other 573313;1395425820;radan;well 573314;1395425822;radan;one is cowardly and repugnant 573315;1395425822;radan;it's pussy 573316;1395425830;kakobrekla;pizda is a chemical 573317;1395425834;radan;*nom nom nom* 573318;1395425867;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07010001 = 0.3505 BTC [+] {2} 573319;1395425875;radan;of course it matters what people think 573320;1395425883;aclot;fear != cowardice 573321;1395425885;radan;you might spend the majority of your time on the computer 573322;1395425888;mircea_popescu;tbh 12yo girls are on average a lot braver than 12 yo boys 573323;1395425895;radan;but the whole world is outside of it 573324;1395425899;Namworld;Nothing has a purpose. So I'll extend my life given the possibility until I grow tired of life and any purposes I would give myself along the way. 573325;1395425902;aclot;and hawter 573326;1395425904;radan;with 7 billion people you have to interact with 573327;1395425919;radan;if you're a pussy who's scared of everything 573328;1395425922;radan;you won't be able to do that 573329;1395425932;radan;and consequently, will die alone, miserable, and unloved 573330;1395425934;Namworld;What people think matters? For the coward, maybe. 573331;1395425950;aclot;if you're afraid of nothing, you're dead in 15 secs:\ 573332;1395425980;radan;anyway dr. popescu 573333;1395425984;radan;that is my philosophy 573334;1395425991;radan;I think I've talked enough about it 573335;1395426001;radan;hopefully we understand each other better now. 573336;1395426020;BingoBoingo;radan: You've not gotten to your metaphysics though. 573337;1395426040;Namworld;If you're angry, grumpy and glooming individual, you'll probably end up dying alone, miserable and unloved. 573338;1395426054;Namworld;That applies to both extremes. 573339;1395426074;BingoBoingo;radan: I am interested in your perspective on the relationship between form and extension 573340;1395426108;radan;hmm 573341;1395426108;aclot;BingoBoingo: that's pataphysics... 573342;1395426110;radan;sounds like nietzhe 573343;1395426115;radan;nietzchzche 573344;1395426124;mircea_popescu;so i was looking for econ 302. is this philosophy 101 ? 573345;1395426125;radan;neechy 573346;1395426143;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Mebee 573347;1395426149;mircea_popescu;any hawt chicks ? 573348;1395426156;BingoBoingo;radan: Actually I was thinking Spinoza 573349;1395426172;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 573350;1395426181;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's mid semester, they won't be back for a few more weeks 573351;1395426185;mircea_popescu;btw, whoever recommended black mirror, cazalla was it ? 573352;1395426202;rithm;.bait 573353;1395426203;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/73a15aa574d411ad364d43497c4dda80/tumblr_mi41j3lDTW1r600xqo1_500.jpg 573354;1395426204;mircea_popescu;i've seen something about a black guy living in a sort of america has talent futuropia 573355;1395426207;mircea_popescu;not bad. 573356;1395426222;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo did you drop a l ? black or back ? 573357;1395426244;radan;dr. popescu 573358;1395426246;Namworld;You seem to view everything with always a lot of assumptions made on the spot, or already established in your mind. 573359;1395426248;radan;is it true you're a billionaire 573360;1395426252;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 573361;1395426259;radan;I like that answer 573362;1395426269;mircea_popescu;well it's bitcoin, who ever knows. 573363;1395426283;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It was an intended back. 573364;1395426283;radan;I have 1.75 btc 573365;1395426292;radan;once bitcoin reaches 10000000 million dollars each 573366;1395426295;radan;I'll be a trillionaire 573367;1395426305;radan;I think it should happen by sometime next friday 573368;1395426314;mircea_popescu;then you can buy snake island and start your own, ukrainian-free utopia 573369;1395426318;Namworld;This will probably not serve you well in life, radan. 573370;1395426330;radan;snake island is very small 573371;1395426331;mircea_popescu;only buchar\est whores and honest hard working cabbage farmers from russe. 573372;1395426338;radan;I already scoped it out on google earth 573373;1395426341;radan;besides 573374;1395426347;radan;the seas are vulnerable 573375;1395426351;mircea_popescu;well how big does it have to be. 573376;1395426363;benkay;asl mircea_popescu 573377;1395426368;radan;as big as eurasia, as small as an acre. 573378;1395426372;mircea_popescu;19/f/cali whai ? 573379;1395426374;radan;depends on how many people I can recruit 573380;1395426388;radan;right now I'm looking at a few places 573381;1395426394;benkay;wanna cyber hottie? 573382;1395426403;benkay;.bait 573383;1395426404;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcaqjc8CiZ1qaus44o1_1280.jpg 573384;1395426417;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15502 @ 0.00093305 = 14.4641 BTC [+] {3} 573385;1395426417;deadweasel;jesus christ, i haven't seen 'wanna cyber' in 20 years. 573386;1395426419;Namworld;About 12700 kilometers large and spherical would be ideal, mircea 573387;1395426426;mircea_popescu;benkay that looks very irresponsible and wrong benkay 573388;1395426433;mircea_popescu;she's turkic stock. at best. 573389;1395426443;radan;the pontic and siberian steppe, the balkan mountains, and the north caucasus, mainly 573390;1395426462;benkay;nineteen's even culturally acceptable in my jurisdiction 573391;1395426466;radan;though one of the guys in our project really wants afghanistan 573392;1395426471;mircea_popescu;radan putin ? 573393;1395426477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13598 @ 0.00093131 = 12.664 BTC [-] 573394;1395426489;radan;what's he going to care 573395;1395426490;benkay;.bait 573396;1395426491;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/977ecf33ccb1a7c4523a27a701e3dd3c/tumblr_minupsb2Ty1r440j0o1_1280.jpg 573397;1395426496;benkay;.bait 573398;1395426497;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/b840390344a1170e306ed578dcb2885a/tumblr_mia4p8xybb1r85jzwo1_500.jpg 573399;1395426501;mircea_popescu;no i mean, what guy on your project, putin ? 573400;1395426512;radan;no 573401;1395426515;radan;he's from satu mare 573402;1395426515;benkay;deadweasel: that'd be the joke 573403;1395426519;ughlol;holy macaroni 573404;1395426526;ughlol;these girls are HOT! 573405;1395426527;benkay;.bait 573406;1395426528;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/822d0e8d11d0dfc452d424e7246fbe8e/tumblr_mi7nupkesZ1rv93u9o1_1280.jpg 573407;1395426536;benkay;oh yeah 573408;1395426545;Namworld;Well, I expect you to collect a lot of hate along the way and probably fail, radan, but I can always appreciate that someone fights for his ideals. 573409;1395426547;mircea_popescu;deadweasel i say it occasionally, works to distinguish adult womenz from the igirl generation. 573410;1395426558;benkay;more slips and stockings for all the babes. 573411;1395426563;benkay;and heels. always heels. 573412;1395426581;mircea_popescu;slips ?! gtfo. garter belt is all one needs. 573413;1395426602;radan;we're not going to be doing farming, either 573414;1395426607;*;ughlol does /msg ozbot .bait over and over again 573415;1395426646;mircea_popescu;ughlol don't overuse it, it's really here for the sec. 573416;1395426653;ughlol;oh 573417;1395426657;ughlol;sorry mircea_popescu 573418;1395426667;BingoBoingo;ughlol: Also you don't want to see what happens when it runs out of good bait 573419;1395426670;ll;lol that looks like it was taken in the uffizi 573420;1395426673;ughlol;haha 573421;1395426681;benkay;i like having something to strip them out of, mircea_popescu. 573422;1395426689;radan;http://vimeo.com/73177455 573423;1395426689;ozbot;WAKHAN - Art Film - Trailer on Vimeo 573424;1395426696;radan;this is the kind of lifestyle we're going for 573425;1395426765;BCB;any news on the SEC drama 573426;1395426784;benkay;2 weeks, BCB. 573427;1395426787;ThickAsThieves;http://bitcoinmagazine.com/11395/securities-registration-requirements-holding-bitcoin-back/?preview_id=11395#comment-1295127329 573428;1395426789;BingoBoingo;BCB: Just ore news is interested in the old news 573429;1395426797;ninjashogun;hi 573430;1395426799;ThickAsThieves;some conversation with the writer 573431;1395426814;ninjashogun;what happens if a wire transfer is received in the wrong denomination? does the bank just convert it at whatever rate they feel like? 573432;1395426825;ninjashogun;(for example if someone tries to wire pounds internationally to a usd account or vice versa) 573433;1395426828;BCB;any journalists turning up in here 573434;1395426834;benkay;BCB: several. 573435;1395426839;benkay;Reuters, most recently. 573436;1395426842;BCB;benkay: 2 weeks for what 573437;1395426848;ll;ninjashogun: from my experience, yes 573438;1395426849;benkay;everything in bitcoin, BCB :) 573439;1395426860;Namworld;oh, if that's the kind of thing you're shooting for, go for it. Looks nice. 573440;1395426865;ninjashogun;ll how terrible are those rates? like 2-3 percent of the normal spread or worse? 573441;1395426866;BCB;benkay: I wait for 6 confirmations 573442;1395426874;ll;i forget 573443;1395426878;ughlol;hey ninjashogun! o/ 573444;1395426880;ll;best to call your bank 573445;1395426943;ninjashogun;ok 573446;1395426985;BCB;BingoBoingo: yes they are all now starting to print the same story over and over again 573447;1395427015;Namworld;Fortunately, humanity hasn't blanket claimed desertic places like that yet. 573448;1395427021;BingoBoingo;BCB: There are variations, so far the best mass media writeup I've seen came out of Gawker of all places 573449;1395427032;BCB;MP is famous now 573450;1395427052;Namworld;It can be hard to live a traditional lifestyle if the land required to do so is all claimed already and people won't let you. 573451;1395427053;nubbins`;now, where were we 573452;1395427062;BCB;Anyone here involved in Etherium 573453;1395427078;Namworld;The sad aspect about such a large population of humans, diminishing amount of land available. 573454;1395427149;ninjashogun;humans outweigh half of humans by 2:1. Let that sink in. 573455;1395427195;ThickAsThieves;if any one here were involved in Ethereum, they wouldn't be involved in Ethereum 573456;1395427233;Namworld;Redundancy has sunk in. I am now afflicted like a disease by the redundancy sickness that is infection-like. 573457;1395427309;benkay;;;google drinking record most important 573458;1395427310;gribble;History of alcoholic beverages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_alcoholic_beverages>; Bob Hawke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hawke>; History of Alcohol and Drinking around the World: <http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/Controversies/1114796842.html> 573459;1395427317;benkay;;;google drinking record counterparty 573460;1395427318;gribble;A Reminder – The Most Important Word in Bitcoin, Again because Gox: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/25/a-reminder-the-most-important-word-in-bitcoin-again-because-gox/>; Why Fractional Reserve Can't Work in Bitcoin | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/11/11/fractional-reserve-bitcoins/>; February | 2014 | Bingo Blog: (1 more message) 573461;1395427326;benkay;no mircea_popescu google still sucks 573462;1395427328;Namworld;I can now speak of the same thing as if they were the same thing in multiple ways of saying that this same thing is the same thing. 573463;1395427341;Namworld;Thank you, ninjashogun. 573464;1395427434;ninjashogun;on later guys see you 573465;1395427462;Namworld;Later. 573466;1395427470;Namworld;I think I'll do the same. 573467;1395427477;Namworld;Goodbye everyone. 573468;1395427477;steven-__;http://dropbox.curry.com/ShowNotesArchive/2014/03/NA-601-2014-03-20/Assets/NH370/MH370%20lemon%20black%20hole.mp3 573469;1395427502;benkay;what is that, steven-__? 573470;1395427523;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves> if any one here were involved in Ethereum, they wouldn't be involved in Ethereum << that. 573471;1395427538;mircea_popescu;lmao Namworld 573472;1395427548;steven-__;some talking head talking about how mh370 and black hole talks about lost and twilight zone 573473;1395427560;mircea_popescu;steven-__ lmao. black hole, srsly ?! 573474;1395427568;mircea_popescu;are these people... braindead ? 573475;1395427576;steven-__;money talks 573476;1395427577;ughlol;most probably 573477;1395427578;steven-__;ratings are out of contorl 573478;1395427582;mircea_popescu;if a blackhole pops up anywhere in the atmosphere we'd likely hear about it. 573479;1395427587;mircea_popescu;and i literally mean HEAR. outdoors. 573480;1395427588;ughlol;lol ^ 573481;1395427606;steven-__;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/business/media/cnns-ratings-surge-with-coverage-of-the-mystery-of-the-missing-airliner.html?_r=0 573482;1395427616;radan;Did Bitcoin Crash MH370? This Article Will Shock And Amaze You 573483;1395427619;mircea_popescu;so cnn aspires to be video-daily-mail.us ? 573484;1395427624;radan;regardsl gawker 573485;1395427626;steven-__;thats not until next week radan 573486;1395427644;steven-__;cnn aspires to be fox news 573487;1395427649;Namworld;We'd hear the outdoors moving... as a whole. but only very briefly. 573488;1395427666;Namworld;It could also happen almost at any time. 573489;1395427683;Namworld;You just have to live with it. 573490;1395427702;radan;the kazakh steppe is empty 573491;1395427721;radan;everyone in russia and the white part of the world in general is running to cities 573492;1395427730;radan;the countryside is completely empty in a lot of the world 573493;1395427742;radan;http://www.agrimoney.com/news/russian-land-selling-for-as-low-as-2percent-of-eu-values--5348.html 573494;1395427743;ozbot;Agrimoney.com | Russian farmland selling for as low as 2% of EU values 573495;1395427747;ThickAsThieves;CNN aspires. That's really the whole of it. 573496;1395427760;Namworld;But not everywhere is suitable to certain traditional lifestyles. 573497;1395427765;radan;voronezh chernozem going for $250 a hectare! 573498;1395427765;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves so does a black hole. 573499;1395427769;radan;what the fuck is the world coming to 573500;1395427804;radan;a man can feed himself comfortably on 4 acres 573501;1395427805;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/bobmcmillan/status/447082049707327488 573502;1395427805;ozbot;Twitter / bobmcmillan: @BBoingo Hey man, I had that ... 573503;1395427809;radan;can feed a family on 20 acres 573504;1395427822;Namworld;radan, that's just demand and offer. 573505;1395427828;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/embed/AP7tKS74H7I << i had a dumb kid, and i decline any responsibility. 573506;1395427828;ozbot;Alleged Silk Road Founder's Mother Speaks Out - YouTube 573507;1395427866;radan;you can buy buy enough land to support your descendants in perpetuam for 2000 bucks 573508;1395427872;radan;absolutely ridiculous 573509;1395427872;asciilifeform;charming eastern tradition of obligatory seppuku should be adopted in the west. 573510;1395427886;asciilifeform;(re: silk road kid) 573511;1395427895;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/8440b5e0cace1cbdbdf8effa8b06918e/tumblr_ml3rz7K8C41rv0578o1_1280.jpg 573512;1395427898;radan;if I was going for agriculture instead of herding 573513;1395427903;Namworld;So, what's your view on the topic, Mircea? Can a parent decline responsibility for what their kids are? 573514;1395427909;radan;I would park my ass so quick on voronezh chernozem 573515;1395427911;Duffer1;wouldn't work without also a culture of shame 573516;1395427924;radan;whoever lifted me from it would be crowned king arthur 573517;1395427928;nubbins`;asciilifeform, you're always pasting bits of interesting text. got a reading list anywhere on your blog? 573518;1395427935;asciilifeform;radan: can you even put together a decent minefield for 2000? much less a real defense 573519;1395427936;ThickAsThieves;https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Assets/status/447083116768034816 573520;1395427937;ozbot;Twitter / Bitcoin_Assets: @bobmcmillan @BBoingo Why? 573521;1395427943;mircea_popescu;Namworld sure, why not ? 573522;1395427953;mircea_popescu;better have a good reason or two ready tho 573523;1395427958;asciilifeform;nubbins`: the pasted text was from eduard limonov's book, 'disciplinary sanitarium' 573524;1395427959;mircea_popescu;seeing how anyone can decline their decline 573525;1395427967;Namworld;Yes, exactly. 573526;1395427967;ThickAsThieves;probly shoulda linked to trilema private convesation article... 573527;1395427968;radan;the janissaries parents were often times killed by the janissaries themself 573528;1395427980;asciilifeform;nubbins`: very quick & dirty on-the-spot translation. afaik there is no english version, official or otherwise 573529;1395427986;radan;ienicerii 573530;1395427988;nubbins`;ah, shame 573531;1395427993;asciilifeform;radan: there is a serbian song about exactly this! 573532;1395428005;nubbins`;anyway, you're always posting interesting snippets. would love to examine your bookshelf 573533;1395428008;Namworld;The reason or two being: 1. Having done everything without success 2. Not having been the legal guardian and involved at all 573534;1395428016;BingoBoingo;So @bobmcmillan seems to be under the impression we had a long DM conversation. Is he confusing me with mircea_popescu 573535;1395428017;Namworld;Other than genetic involvement. 573536;1395428036;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ask him neh ? 573537;1395428047;ThickAsThieves;he's confusing his private conversation with being as topical as Emily's public one 573538;1395428053;asciilifeform;nubbins`: a good chunk of my bookshelf, as your probably also, is in ascii. 573539;1395428070;mircea_popescu;there's oil in that bookshale! 573540;1395428084;asciilifeform;nubbins`: another reason to learn russian. you can read virtually any book ever printed, originally in virtually any language, for free, searchable. 573541;1395428086;nubbins`;a good chunk of mine is actually in .epub format, but through the wondrous Calibre, conversion is but a click away 573542;1395428097;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> nubbins`: another reason to learn russian. you can read virtually any book ever printed, originally in virtually any language, for free, searchable. <<< this. 573543;1395428108;mircea_popescu;romanian has a similar, but proprotionalyl reduced advantage. 573544;1395428122;mircea_popescu;as romanians don't really translate eastern stuff and happily ignore us stuff 573545;1395428153;radan;русский язьiк очень приятной 573546;1395428159;radan;думаю я 573547;1395428178;mircea_popescu;язык :p 573548;1395428187;asciilifeform;'я русский бы выучил только за то что им разговаривал ленин.' 573549;1395428214;dignork;that's mine! well, Mayakovskovki's... 573550;1395428214;mircea_popescu;how was that quote, i speak french to my horse, german to my wife and russian to the chickens ? 573551;1395428243;radan;lermontov is the best author 573552;1395428248;radan;east of the vistula 573553;1395428252;Namworld;Well bob just answered you, BingoBoingo 573554;1395428282;dignork;Маяковский 573555;1395428291;asciilifeform;radan: bulgarian? perhaps you can tell me how come every statue in bulgaria has a beautifully depressing song that comes with it. 573556;1395428320;mircea_popescu;ok not a bad question. 573557;1395428322;BingoBoingo;Namworld: This new twitter conversation organizer breaks too much for clarity 573558;1395428323;radan;lol 573559;1395428329;radan;you're probably asking about that 573560;1395428330;radan;andryusha 573561;1395428334;radan;statue or wtv 573562;1395428352;asciilifeform;radan: 'alyosha.' 'lilia.' etc 573563;1395428363;radan;we're a soulful people ^^ 573564;1395428379;mircea_popescu;"we used to be great but everyone raped us, for the past millenium. even the romanians" 573565;1395428393;Namworld;Every people is soulful 573566;1395428403;radan;I don't think the vlachs had any influence on modern bulgaria 573567;1395428415;radan;beyond the genetic 573568;1395428425;radan;the slavic influence on romanian is much greater than the reverse 573569;1395428427;asciilifeform;e.g. http://sovmusic.ru/download.php?fname=alesha ; http://sovmusic.ru/download.php?fname=lyubimay ; etc 573570;1395428429;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 59 @ 0.0052101 = 0.3074 BTC [+] {2} 573571;1395428432;radan;but that's language. 573572;1395428438;radan;which is a cultural construct and thus irrelevant 573573;1395428445;asciilifeform;sov. music about dead ww2 folks tends to be cheerful 573574;1395428458;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's because the composers were drunk. 573575;1395428458;asciilifeform;bulgaria... total 'депресняк' 573576;1395428461;radan;I prefer to focus on our ancient brotherhood than any arbitrary divisions imposed by the western world 573577;1395428574;radan;there was once a time when herders crossed from the carpathians to the balkans at will 573578;1395428597;radan;and farmers on both sides of the brother saw themselves as the same people 573579;1395428608;radan;were it not for the turks 573580;1395428610;radan;it might yet be so 573581;1395428612;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00624389 = 0.6244 BTC [+] {13} 573582;1395428637;radan;*border 573583;1395428663;mircea_popescu;there definitely was. see miorita etc 573584;1395428663;nubbins`;well, i have to say i'm questioning the wisdom of a recipe that calls for 1/4 cup of soy sauce AND a tablespoon of salt 573585;1395428670;mircea_popescu;btw, got a link to the bulgarian version ? 573586;1395428676;nubbins`;so it should be interesting to see how these moose steaks turn out. 573587;1395428677;asciilifeform;virtually all of the bulgars i've ever met looked exactly like every turk i ever met... 573588;1395428679;mircea_popescu;but a good one, preferably an 1800 notation. 573589;1395428695;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he's talking of an idealised pre-turkish time obv. 573590;1395428702;asciilifeform;aha, a la greece, ok 573591;1395428712;mircea_popescu;otherwise "bulgaroi cu ceafa groasa" etc. 573592;1395428734;asciilifeform;lol 573593;1395428739;radan;there hasn't been any turkish genetic impact on bulgaria 573594;1395428751;mircea_popescu;ah come on. 573595;1395428760;asciilifeform;i, too, would like to visit the parallel universe where the ottomans didn't happen. 573596;1395428790;mircea_popescu;i would like to visit the paralel universe where the arab invasion of egypt didn't happen, and the original tall lanky egyptians still roamed free 573597;1395428795;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05899 = 0.118 BTC [+] 573598;1395428808;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes! i wanted this as a kid even. 573599;1395428813;radan;whenever a turk married a bulgarian (or greek, or romanian, or serb etc.) 573600;1395428818;radan;the kid was considered turkish 573601;1395428828;radan;that's one of the reasons turkey has 70 million people 573602;1395428834;radan;and bulgaria, 7 million 573603;1395428843;nubbins`;twurkey 573604;1395428850;Radi777;just looked on this channel and you guys made me laugh 573605;1395428856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.058999 = 0.295 BTC [+] 573606;1395428862;mircea_popescu;Radi777 we live to serve. 573607;1395428891;nubbins`;ah, i see the s.mg bet is slowly growing larger 573608;1395428892;Radi777;this guy saying every bulgarian he met looks turkish lol either have seen only gypsies or turkish bulgarians, no real turkish looks like a real bulgarian..big difference 573609;1395428909;radan;there are dark bulgarians, for sure 573610;1395428919;radan;they're usually haplogroup E and from the macedonian part of BG 573611;1395428926;asciilifeform;radan: do you still have the underground churches over there? 573612;1395428928;Radi777;but its ok for me blacks look the same, and assians....LOL 573613;1395428937;asciilifeform;the ones that were required to be 'no taller than a mounted horseman' 573614;1395428941;radan;I personally don't consider macedonians to be my people 573615;1395428958;radan;anything south of the balkans is basically greece 573616;1395428998;mircea_popescu;Radi777 turkish secret service guy in istanbul volunteered that i'm definitely not turkish, he bets i'm bulgarian. 573617;1395429001;steven-__;Radi777: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-race_effect 573618;1395429014;mircea_popescu;so while the difference exists and they themselves can tell it, it may be the case that for the rest of the world a pigeon is a pigeon. 573619;1395429060;radan;dr. popescu, is your family from wallachia? 573620;1395429070;mircea_popescu;nah. i'm from transylvania 573621;1395429071;Radi777;yea cross-race effect that's why i said the joke about blacks and asians lol 573622;1395429083;radan;ardealul, eh? 573623;1395429086;radan;not bad 573624;1395429097;mircea_popescu;well how could it be bad lol 573625;1395429102;radan;have you heard stefan hrusca 573626;1395429106;mircea_popescu;sure. 573627;1395429135;radan;"tu ardeal, tu ardealm, iti suntem osteni, templu sfant, templu sfant, muntii Apuseni." 573628;1395429147;mircea_popescu;yes yes, well, that's a little like feelings. 573629;1395429166;mircea_popescu;if you understand romanian you'll prolly better appreciate actual stuff like http://www.youtube.com/embed/4z0WmWUT2rM 573630;1395429214;rithm;no one understands that gibberish quit joking around 573631;1395429220;radan;lol 573632;1395429223;radan;I'll take a listen 573633;1395429235;asciilifeform;anyone fansub? 573634;1395429252;rithm;what are saying deprecated ocopus-noodle language 573635;1395429253;BingoBoingo;I prolly ought to throw this link up as a courtesy for journos and SEC https://gist.github.com/leffuy/750a4291264fa2de03a5 573636;1395429306;radan;umm 573637;1395429364;radan;kinda funny, I guess 573638;1395429372;radan;where do you find this stuff 573639;1395429373;rithm;good read BingoBoingo 573640;1395429394;mircea_popescu;teh girls find it for me. 573641;1395429394;BingoBoingo;rithm: thestringpuller collected it 573642;1395429437;radan;I like romanian music tho 573643;1395429438;mircea_popescu;lol pretty epic github 573644;1395429449;rithm;My personal fave: Because these idiots wont fucking die already, everyone else has to be inconvenienced. I deeply regret this. If it were practical Id just kill them all with my own hand. Unfortunately, it is not practical, and so with my deepest and most sincere apologies to sane people everywhere I have to modify the MPEx FAQ. 573645;1395429450;radan;it's what bulgarian music would sound like if it wasn't for the turks, I think 573646;1395429458;mircea_popescu;radan well, let's see then... hmm... prolly bug mafia for oyu. 573647;1395429475;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr0g1Qt59MQ 573648;1395429475;ozbot;B.U.G. Mafia - N-ai Fost Acolo - YouTube 573649;1395429493;Namworld;For one who said there is no purpose, you sure are quite obsessed with race. For one who said how being manly and fearless and getting girls is important, you sure seem afraid and lost as to how to act in a modern society to get it. For one who said modern culture is dust, you sure seem eager to go away and adopt an old one almost not practicioned anymore. There's nothing wrong with 573650;1395429493;Namworld;feeling like you don't belong and choosing to live the lifestyle you want, but your arguments about what's wrong with the world are off. The world isn't wrong, it is simply wrong for you. 573651;1395429512;Namworld;You can't shape yourself to fit in where you don't belong. Or at least shouldn't. 573652;1395429523;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: blew my mind how much of it i was able to digest 573653;1395429525;mircea_popescu;Namworld is getting trolled into booklet length responses by now i see. 573654;1395429540;radan;your "for X you sure are X" statements don't even make sense 573655;1395429552;radan;moving on 573656;1395429587;asciilifeform;it/sp/ro, etc. 'singable' languages are very amenable to the soviet linguist (hard head, wall, dictionary) treatment 573657;1395429599;radan;have you heard vali sterian, dr. popescu? 573658;1395429634;mircea_popescu;yeah. 573659;1395429647;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is true. 573660;1395429664;mircea_popescu;of course romanian has, much like russian, a very rich subtextrual register 573661;1395429672;asciilifeform;i can tell, yes 573662;1395429674;radan;lol 573663;1395429679;radan;this rap's nice 573664;1395429681;mircea_popescu;greatly helped along by the fact that every other noun means either cunt, whore or fucking 573665;1395429690;Namworld;My point is that you're contradicting yourself. You're saying the world is wrong, not you, because they don't fit your ideal. While there is technically no one that is right or wrong. 573666;1395429712;radan;didn't know Romania had a hip hop scene 573667;1395429716;mircea_popescu;lolk. 573668;1395429747;mircea_popescu;next you're going toi tell me you didn't know romania had a warez scene and we can all go to bed. 573669;1395429753;asciilifeform;loll 573670;1395429778;Namworld;It's more of a question of individuality and who you are, which is not falling close to the average. 573671;1395429832;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07489527 = 0.1498 BTC [-] {2} 573672;1395429893;radan;thanks for the analysis, freud 573673;1395429965;radan;"unde sunt doi romani, este romania" 573674;1395429977;Namworld;You say that there is no purpose other than spreading genes, yet you're obsessed with promoting an arbitrarily sized sample of people with similar genes. You could scale up or down with a more specific or more generic group and call it promoting close genes all the same. 573675;1395429992;radan;that's actually true 573676;1395430003;radan;and I'm impressed that you thought it out enough to reach that conclusion 573677;1395430019;radan;but I've thought about it a lot longer than you have 573678;1395430032;radan;let's say you help out someone who'se close to you 573679;1395430035;rithm;i like sex 573680;1395430036;radan;and they don't have any kids 573681;1395430039;radan;then the investment is ruined 573682;1395430039;asciilifeform;radan: variation on the theme of Po's 'Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła' 573683;1395430097;radan;all nationalism is a variation on itself 573684;1395430103;radan;that doesn't stop it from being beautiful 573685;1395430105;radan;at times 573686;1395430111;mircea_popescu;radan so oscar wilde had no kids. 573687;1395430128;mircea_popescu;actually he was a nigger faggot jew afair. 573688;1395430133;radan;lol 573689;1395430137;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00092986 = 8.7872 BTC [-] {2} 573690;1395430137;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00328258 = 9.8477 BTC [-] {23} 573691;1395430142;Namworld;You said it was important to be manly and fearless to get girls, yet seemed confused as how to date in modern society. Your personality doesn't fit the modern culture. You say the culture is bad. Perhaps that is true, but you've given no justifications to it. Just that it doesn't fit you. 573692;1395430164;radan;I'm not sure where you get that I'm confused about daring from 573693;1395430175;radan;I've had girlfriends since middle school 573694;1395430176;Namworld;I seem to recall... hmm, let me check 573695;1395430198;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1578 @ 0.00320092 = 5.0511 BTC [-] {8} 573696;1395430199;radan;I'm not saying american girls are worthless or anything 573697;1395430206;radan;I'm never gonna marry one though 573698;1395430214;Namworld;I didn't say otherwise, just unsure about the best way to go about it and not liking how it's done. 573699;1395430220;mircea_popescu;saving yourself for that special guy ? 573700;1395430227;Namworld;Re, entering a relationship. 573701;1395430228;radan;of course ^^ 573702;1395430244;radan;in actuality, even if I get a girl pregnant here 573703;1395430264;radan;the leaders of this country have implemented a massive social security system 573704;1395430269;radan;so really 573705;1395430279;radan;there's no need to raise a kid as a father per se in obama's america 573706;1395430279;mircea_popescu;well... but it's still your girl lol. 573707;1395430301;Namworld;Which is my whole point. It's all personality related. There's not really any right or wrong, re the way of living you choose. 573708;1395430312;radan;no, there is no objective right or wrong 573709;1395430322;radan;that's not going to stop me from doing what I think is best 573710;1395430326;radan;namely 573711;1395430329;Namworld;Yes, exactly. 573712;1395430334;radan;trying to save my people's genetic livelihood 573713;1395430343;radan;and when I see westerners acting like faggots or women 573714;1395430348;radan;I'll call them out on it 573715;1395430366;radan;it's a free world. 573716;1395430380;radan;if they want to stop me from hurting people's feelings 573717;1395430385;radan;or whatever the current casus belli is 573718;1395430396;Namworld;Yes, pretty much, live and let live. Not shape yourself to fit where you don't belong. Voice your opinion. 573719;1395430413;radan;they can kill me, until then I'm a free man. 573720;1395430420;radan;I don't get your point Namworld 573721;1395430500;radan;I'm already doing that 573722;1395430512;Namworld;I'm calling you out on calling the world is going bad or people are wrong-headed when it is doing so only by your standards, which are arbitrary. 573723;1395430524;radan;they're not arbitrary 573724;1395430527;radan;they're subjective 573725;1395430529;radan;there's a difference 573726;1395430609;Namworld;You understood that I meant you've set those standards' limits where you pleased. 573727;1395430667;Namworld;Which yes, is based on your subjective point of view. 573728;1395430711;Namworld;So not really arbitrary as in a random absolute rule set out without any reason. 573729;1395430774;radan;from my moral outlook 573730;1395430785;radan;which is the same as that of my ancestors thousands of years back 573731;1395430799;radan;modern society is feminized and shit 573732;1395430806;radan;from your moral outlook 573733;1395430814;radan;we're proceeding infinitely leftward on an uninterrupted train to Toleranceville. 573734;1395430837;radan;an objective observer can decide for himself which of these opinions is the more realistic one 573735;1395430852;asciilifeform;radan: wait till you find out what passes for organized resistance to this crap in the usa 573736;1395430869;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.01687349 = 0.1687 BTC [-] {4} 573737;1395430896;asciilifeform;radan: me, i'm a believer in 'salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of the drowning' - but if you want organized - straight to limonov et al. 573738;1395430911;radan;read some spengler 573739;1395430919;radan;and evola, if you want to get into the metaphysics of it 573740;1395430923;radan;they're great 573741;1395430931;asciilifeform;i sort of assume everyone here has read both 573742;1395430945;asciilifeform;or at least, a good selection of each 573743;1395430962;asciilifeform;but i tend to assume thing that turn out to be mistake 573744;1395430962;Namworld;No, from my point of view we're progressing toward less famine, poverty and sickness through technology, and better understanding of our nature as an animal. Which in turn decreases violence, torture, wars and hate, as a side effect. 573745;1395430974;asciilifeform;trololol 573746;1395430991;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07489628 = 0.2247 BTC [+] 573747;1395431020;Namworld;I don't think we can eliminate those things, short of simply eradicating ourselves. 573748;1395431032;Namworld;You seem to find this funny? 573749;1395431050;asciilifeform;the funny part is the supposed progress 573750;1395431054;asciilifeform;but nm. 573751;1395431087;Namworld;It depends what you consider progress. 573752;1395431110;mircea_popescu;i don't get what the trouble with tolerance is in the first place. 573753;1395431118;radan;it's a fantasy 573754;1395431124;mircea_popescu;some of the best houses for the history of western thought were tolerance houses. 573755;1395431132;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think he was speaking of 'tolerasty' 573756;1395431141;mircea_popescu;a well. then he should say that :p 573757;1395431146;asciilifeform;толерастия 573758;1395431150;Namworld;Some would say loss of culture and traditional way of living is not progress. Me, I don't feel fondly attached to any culture particularly. 573759;1395431174;mircea_popescu;http://articles.prediger.ru/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/tolerast.jpg 573760;1395431179;mircea_popescu;teh iconic tolerasty cartoon 573761;1395431203;asciilifeform;терпила == literal trans. of 'patient' 573762;1395431214;asciilifeform;in my ad hoc lexicun, 'chumpatronium' 573763;1395431214;Namworld;Anything that reduce the motive behind wars, hate and violence is progress. Most technological progress have done just that so far. 573764;1395431220;asciilifeform;*lexicon 573765;1395431234;radan;"I don't feel fondly attached to any culture particularly." 573766;1395431235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012986 = 0.6493 BTC [-] {9} 573767;1395431236;mircea_popescu;torpila, in romanian, torpedo. funny how that works. 573768;1395431238;radan;of course you don't 573769;1395431250;radan;yet you would feel deeply uncomfortable outside of the west 573770;1395431251;mircea_popescu;"that's because you're a rootless cosmpolitan!" 573771;1395431253;mircea_popescu;amirite ? 573772;1395431260;radan;is he? 573773;1395431272;mircea_popescu;well isn't that the criteria ? 573774;1395431288;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in rus., the useless winglet sometimes found on a car is often called torpedo. same in ro ? 573775;1395431290;radan;I think he's a bit more perceptive than your average happy merchant 573776;1395431308;radan;a merchant would've called me an anti-semite by now 573777;1395431315;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the bug mafia band quoted earlier discusses, in a song about cars, "sau vre-o torpila dunarita, la volan o fata, mai tata" 573778;1395431322;asciilifeform;lol 573779;1395431324;mircea_popescu;in this context torpila means ancient but workable car 573780;1395431326;mircea_popescu;such as a volga 573781;1395431329;Namworld;radan, are you sure about that? What is it with all those assumptions? 573782;1395431349;mircea_popescu;www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cRI_J0nwBY‎ < in there 573783;1395431358;radan;I went to a jewish high school 573784;1395431361;radan;my roomate is a jew 573785;1395431368;radan;I know how they think 573786;1395431421;Namworld;Knowing a jew does not make you know how they all think. 573787;1395431436;mircea_popescu;i once was with a girl so i know how THEY think! 573788;1395431443;radan;I'd imagine you do 573789;1395431451;radan;it's not exactly hard to figure out 573790;1395431460;Namworld;You talk as if jews where a single entity. One person with one mind. 573791;1395431464;mircea_popescu;i also had a computer so i know how those think too 573792;1395431488;radan;when you spend 7 hours a day for four years with representatives of a certain group 573793;1395431492;radan;you get to know the similarities 573794;1395431496;radan;and the individual vagaries 573795;1395431497;mircea_popescu;elected or otherwise ? 573796;1395431499;radan;of their thought 573797;1395431506;Namworld;THERE IS NO REPRESENTATIVE FOR GROUPS OF PEOPLE 573798;1395431512;radan;OH MY GOD 573799;1395431516;radan;CAN YOU JUST NOT 573800;1395431518;mircea_popescu;Namworld what of bitcoin jesus then ? 573801;1395431521;radan;- so done - 573802;1395431534;radan;regardsm, tumblr 573803;1395431544;Namworld;One person and another from the same group can be complete opposite. 573804;1395431566;mircea_popescu;Namworld not in sid meyer's civilisation... 573805;1395431580;asciilifeform;'you are on speaking terms with the night, as with an old enemy.' 'you sit in front of a machine that throws electrons in your face, all day, every day.' (former colleague's list of 'ye are a programmer if...') 573806;1395431590;Namworld;They're not all born with the same ideologies and values as their ancestors 573807;1395431592;asciilifeform;(re: 'how computer thinks') 573808;1395431600;radan;no, they're not 573809;1395431603;radan;they're raised in them 573810;1395431617;radan;saying "there's no similarities between individuals in a group" is a logical fallacy 573811;1395431637;radan;"nba players are just like any other people, some of them can shoot a basketball, some of them can't" 573812;1395431644;radan;"if you say otherwise you are racist" 573813;1395431679;Namworld;I didn't say there's none. It might be common. That's okay to expect similiarities to be probable. But one should not assume people from the same group will be alike. 573814;1395431688;radan;I never did 573815;1395431723;radan;this dialogue is veering dangerously close to autism 573816;1395431797;aclot;this dialogue is veering dangerously close to monologue 573817;1395431824;radan;^^ 573818;1395431847;Namworld;You said you knew how jews think. Jews have a common religion. Everything else could be completly different. Although the religion might influence a good portion into certain ideas, if you took jews and non jews mixed together and asked their point of view on various things that doesn't touch jews like Israel and such, you'd have a hard time spotting them. 573819;1395431889;aclot;ono! jew.gif 573820;1395431906;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6540 @ 0.00012502 = 0.8176 BTC [-] {11} 573821;1395431967;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.058999 = 0.531 BTC [+] 573822;1395432022;Namworld;I think it's been established what is progress to me. Speaking of groups in absolute fuels hate, especially when the one speaking doesn't believe in such absolute, is bad. Thus I will speak against it when I see it. Just like you would call out people on doing things you disapprove of. 573823;1395432028;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00341123 = 0.2729 BTC [+] {3} 573824;1395432286;BingoBoingo;You know the biggest change in bitcoin from 2013 is last year is was hell trying to get mass media journalists interested in talking about MPEx. 573825;1395432333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19002 @ 0.00093155 = 17.7013 BTC [+] 573826;1395432430;Namworld;Well anyway, no point in talking further. I don't have anything else to do on the computer, I'll be on my way. 573827;1395432451;Namworld;Goodbye. 573828;1395432537;radan;I want to invest my 1 bitcoin 573829;1395432545;radan;in a good bitcoin bank 573830;1395432549;radan;any recommendations? 573831;1395432628;mircea_popescu;what's a bitcoin bank ? 573832;1395432713;hdbuck;some entity that holds your BTC for IUOs, then trade the shit out of it and run off whenever you claim them back? 573833;1395432742;mircea_popescu;o that. 573834;1395432821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.059 = 0.118 BTC [+] 573835;1395432854;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/21/a-fundraiser-because-this-is-way-to-young-to-have-a-paywall-but-hosting-isnt-free/ 573836;1395432861;ozbot;A Fundraiser, because this is way to young to have a paywall, but hosting isn't free | Bingo Blog 573837;1395433065;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00093313 = 12.7372 BTC [+] {2} 573838;1395433301;BingoBoingo;I've put more though into the fundraising thing. If anyone really prefered the oil painting option I guess I could throw that in as well. 573839;1395433431;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07489628 = 0.9737 BTC [+] 573840;1395433438;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: i've seen a few wagers on bitbet that have "house bets" attached to them -- are there specific criteria for whether the house will throw down on a bet, or is it left to mod discretion? 573841;1395433457;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: "way to young to" 573842;1395433461;mircea_popescu;afaik all bets have house bets 573843;1395433473;nubbins`;ah, i see 573844;1395433507;nubbins`;what's the reasoning behind that? 573845;1395433548;mircea_popescu;gotta provide some initial turbulence, gotta reward people going out and crafting bets, 573846;1395433553;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00093316 = 13.7175 BTC [+] 573847;1395433579;mircea_popescu;by now coming up with bitbet bets is probably the highest paying writing gig on the internet. 573848;1395433603;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Fixed 573849;1395433630;nubbins`;well i guess that explains why the house bet chose my address for payout 573850;1395433636;nubbins`;good to know, ty 573851;1395433659;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/faq/#21 like 573852;1395433661;ozbot;FAQ BitBet 573853;1395433691;nubbins`;well why don't i just read the fucking faq ;( 573854;1395433716;mircea_popescu;perhaps not paid enough ? :D 573855;1395433778;mircea_popescu;"Fred Ehrsam, a co-founder of the Bitcoin trading platform Coinbase, said his company took a position early on that it would not fight regulators. Regulators have cited it as an example of how others should behave." 573856;1395433783;mircea_popescu;who was asking about coinbase ? 573857;1395433803;mircea_popescu;"The whole reason we have such confidence in our company is that from the start we said this has got to be something that plays nicely with the traditional financial world," Ehrsam said in an interview. 573858;1395433838;radan;I was 573859;1395433847;mircea_popescu;so there you have it. 573860;1395433848;radan;is this a bad thing, or 573861;1395433856;mircea_popescu;that's entirely your call. 573862;1395434041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 573863;1395434224;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4158 @ 0.00012528 = 0.5209 BTC [+] {4} 573864;1395434404;nubbins`;!t h hif 573865;1395434405;assbot;[HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00047505 / 0.00047799 / 0.00051000 (233 shares, 0.11137229 BTC), 7D: 0.00039967 / 0.0004784 / 0.00051299 (5563 shares, 2.66135052 BTC), 30D: 0.00038617 / 0.00050487 / 0.00057500 (66212 shares, 33.42869431 BTC) 573866;1395434443;pigeons;coinbase: we're kinda like an exchange, but worse 573867;1395434448;nubbins`;heh. 573868;1395434475;mircea_popescu;in every conceivable way. 573869;1395434477;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 573870;1395434484;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 581.66, vol: 21583.87073183 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 579.0, vol: 10000.35433 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 576.7096, vol: 18569.4595607 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 597.5, vol: 546.23592357 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 566.115, vol: 9728.67500000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 590.0, vol: 14.44894067 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 568.0781, vol: 118.14869583 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 573871;1395434504;mircea_popescu;;;later tell reutersemily "Shortly after that, a bitcoin exchange known as bitfloor was shuttered after its US bank account was closed because it had not properly registered with regulators." << nah, bitfloor was run by shtylman, who either ran off with the coin or "lost" it. 573872;1395434505;gribble;The operation succeeded. 573873;1395434586;mircea_popescu;;;later tell reutersemily "Concerns that regulatory action would cause customer funds to be trapped resulted in a sharp plunge in Bitcoin, falling from $US230 on April 10 to a low of $US68.49 on April 17" nah, http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/ that'll explain it to you. 573874;1395434586;gribble;The operation succeeded. 573875;1395434648;mircea_popescu;"Most professional users moved away from Mt. Gox months ago, leaving April 2013 or thereabouts. By June 2013, the final nail was in the coffin for US users," said one of bitcoin's core developers, who requested anonymity. 573876;1395434654;mircea_popescu;i love that part tho lol. 573877;1395434662;benkay;BingoBoingo: pm 573878;1395434677;BingoBoingo;benkay: ACK 573879;1395434993;benkay;;;gpg eauth benkay 573880;1395434994;gribble;Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@67-5-243-186.ptld.qwest.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7 573881;1395435016;benkay;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3c006002ce8cbbf72573b4158142c2bcb43048cc8f368dd2f5480477 573882;1395435017;gribble;You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7 573883;1395435378;benkay;;;gettrust bitcoinpete 573884;1395435378;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: never 573885;1395435406;BingoBoingo;;;eauth BingoBoingo 573886;1395435407;gribble;Request successful for user BingoBoingo, hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/309BB8D7F3251143 573887;1395435461;BingoBoingo;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:299744a8584b2de5c5c306c2f3f5844ca6284e6dae1b43185c4e4295 573888;1395435462;gribble;You are now authenticated for user BingoBoingo with key 309BB8D7F3251143 573889;1395435588;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust benkay 573890;1395435588;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@67-5-243-186.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user benkay: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013 573891;1395435681;the20year1;just went in contract for #4 573892;1395436054;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00329954 = 0.1188 BTC [-] {3} 573893;1395436115;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 84 @ 0.00320001 = 0.2688 BTC [-] {4} 573894;1395436286;the20year1;mircea_popescu: where is this quote from, about professional users leaving gox in 2013? 573895;1395436350;mircea_popescu;https://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2014/3/3/technology/mt-gox-was-always-dead-water 573896;1395436352;ozbot;Mt. Gox was always dead in the water | Business Spectator 573897;1395436760;BingoBoingo;So my location is in the middle of a "Fire Weather Warning" 573898;1395436762;benkay;;;later tell bitcoinpete let's do some gpg practice when you get back 573899;1395436762;gribble;The operation succeeded. 573900;1395437070;BingoBoingo;On that note Imma head over a few hollers to pickle the liver. I am already considering at least 1 sponsorship offer for the blog, and I'll prolly contnue entertaining offers through Thursday. 573901;1395437149;benkay;yoloOppenheimer: great handle. 573902;1395437173;yoloOppenheimer;:) 573903;1395437183;benkay;;;google trilema doge 573904;1395437183;gribble;Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/>; The stuple. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the-stuple>; The best (1 more message) 573905;1395437335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.000934 = 19.8942 BTC [+] {2} 573906;1395437701;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 518 @ 0.00315536 = 1.6345 BTC [-] {7} 573907;1395437823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00313 = 0.1221 BTC [-] 573908;1395437884;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07489628 = 0.1498 BTC [+] 573909;1395437945;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05899999 = 0.295 BTC [-] 573910;1395438007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.062 = 0.31 BTC [-] 573911;1395438128;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 22 @ 0.059 = 1.298 BTC [+] 573912;1395438189;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.00320001 = 0.336 BTC [+] 573913;1395438218;benkay;does kncminer ship product? 573914;1395438233;benkay;on a scale of "would buy from" to "utter scam", what is kncminer? 573915;1395438269;mircea_popescu;closer to the former afaik 573916;1395438280;mircea_popescu;these are the swedes neh ? 573917;1395438306;lyspooner;yes, they just put scrypt asics on pre-order yesterday 573918;1395438335;mircea_popescu;bout time. 573919;1395438363;*;benkay queues up the 'i told you so' routine for the local yokels 573920;1395438376;benkay;"memory from here to the garage" 573921;1395438382;benkay;get out of my face. 573922;1395438487;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sed no, i sed no, what garage. 573923;1395438490;mircea_popescu;there was no garage. 573924;1395438538;the20year1;We just entered contract on property #6 573925;1395438569;asciilifeform;lol 573926;1395438577;the20year1;8br/4ba 3200sf duplex, $1300/mo in income for $40k purchase , no repairs 573927;1395438589;mircea_popescu;the20year1 so thats 6 + 2 from b4 ? 573928;1395438604;Mats_cd03;.ud gpg 573929;1395438606;Mats_cd03;;;ud gpg 573930;1395438607;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gpg | GPG. Grosse Pointe Guys. Loser guys that are deceitful, small, boring, worthless, and a complete waste of time. Glad Priscilla finally broke up with her dumb ... 573931;1395438608;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: gpg 573932;1395438622;the20year1;Property #6, this results in a total unit pool of 11 573933;1395438629;mircea_popescu;o hey. 573934;1395438629;Mats_cd03;;;ud pgp 573935;1395438632;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=PGP | PGP. A pubic hair in plain view of the public, usually found on a toilet seat. Pube Gone Public. Instead of sitting on the toilet to unload my turd, I hovered over it ... 573936;1395438632;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: PGP 573937;1395438640;Mats_cd03;fucking loled 573938;1395438649;asciilifeform;;;ud gru 573939;1395438650;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gru | GRU. The Soviet military intelligence organization. GRU - Glavnoye Razvedyvatel'noye Upravleniye. by Да здравствует Родина September 03, 2012. 338 18. 573940;1395438652;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: gru 573941;1395438697;asciilifeform;well that's a first. 573942;1395438703;benkay;mircea_popescu: sed no as in scrypt asics are not possible? 573943;1395438724;mircea_popescu;sed no as in no such memory to garage is needed 573944;1395438735;mircea_popescu;and moreover, sed no as to "ram is cheaper than any other chip wtf are you on about" 573945;1395438752;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you fail at ud game. 573946;1395438797;benkay;the garage comment came from a carpenter and not a silicon engineer. 573947;1395438799;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.11950724 = 1.1951 BTC [-] 573948;1395438806;asciilifeform;Да здравствует Родина. 573949;1395438826;mircea_popescu;what's a здравствует ? 573950;1395438841;mircea_popescu;born to... live ? 573951;1395438856;asciilifeform;'Да здравствуе' ~= '[let there] [have good health]' ~= engl. 'glory to' 573952;1395438866;asciilifeform;*has 573953;1395438867;mircea_popescu;aok 573954;1395438896;mircea_popescu;but then... what, born what ? 573955;1395438910;asciilifeform;Родина == 'motherland' 573956;1395438921;mircea_popescu;o there we go 573957;1395438982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 352 @ 0.00319027 = 1.123 BTC [-] {4} 573958;1395439287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37150 @ 0.00093441 = 34.7133 BTC [+] 573959;1395439485;cazalla;mircea_popescu: i could've bought cheaper than $2 but like most idiots, i dismissed it 573960;1395439503;cazalla;and it wasn't me that recommended black mirror 573961;1395439504;mircea_popescu;now suffer. 573962;1395439629;cazalla;looks interesting though 573963;1395439653;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00093441 = 11.3064 BTC [+] 573964;1395439714;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07489628 = 0.3745 BTC [+] {2} 573965;1395440264;Mats_cd03;has anyone tried keybase.io and have anything to say about it? 573966;1395440324;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.01686047 = 0.3541 BTC [-] {4} 573967;1395440342;benkay;aren't they the assholes who want your private key? 573968;1395440349;mircea_popescu;i recall people briefly considering and dimissing it 573969;1395440365;benkay;"On the website, all crypto is performed in JavaScript, in your browser. Some people have strong feelings about this, for good reason." 573970;1395440434;Mats_cd03;i have been told the implementation is undesirable 573971;1395440457;Mats_cd03;i appreciate your opinion 573972;1395440486;benkay;"Keybase.io is also a Keybase client, however certain crypto actions (signing and decrypting) are limited to users who store client-encrypted copies of their private keys on the server, an optional feature we didn't mention above." 573973;1395440495;benkay;it's a feature! 573974;1395440551;the20year1;I coulda bought bitcoins at 10c/ea 573975;1395440570;the20year1;but decided against it when faucets were free 573976;1395440578;benkay;Mats_cd03: i don't see the utility of training people out of good crypto habits. 573977;1395440620;Mats_cd03;i don't either 573978;1395440642;benkay;actually, I do, but it's nefarious. 573979;1395440647;benkay;and I won't stand for it. 573980;1395440703;asciilifeform;if livestock could be trained to seppuku, wouldn't need butcher. 573981;1395440731;kakobrekla;do you think they have that much dignity? 573982;1395440789;Mats_cd03;life is an indignity 573983;1395440819;benkay;and a burden 573984;1395441191;jurov;ultimate purpose of life is death 573985;1395441246;benkay;don't tell that to the geneticists from this morning, jurov 573986;1395441274;jurov;why? 573987;1395441304;benkay;oh it'll turn into a whole purpose of breeding niggers.txt thing 573988;1395441328;jurov;what, should i go on to logreading binge? 573989;1395441345;benkay;god no 573990;1395441477;jurov;lil nigga pug for ya: https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/1743746_735039426515222_1364716744_n.jpg 573991;1395441498;dexX7;you guys were saying several times that the largest amount of bitcoin stolen from gox was rather in 2011 and 2012. is there any reference? what was mentioned in the drama timeline accounts for about 20k only 573992;1395441629;jurov;yes that was the biggest heist cuz no one knows 573993;1395441679;dexX7;ah so this is simply an assumption? 573994;1395441786;jurov;disregard me, i had some wine 573995;1395441828;jurov;but i'd suggest linking us who said what when 573996;1395441843;benkay;jurov: http://bash.org/?5775 573997;1395441923;dexX7;well, i thought it was here at least ;) 573998;1395442125;mircea_popescu;o look it's a jurov 573999;1395442137;mircea_popescu;how;s the snow ? 574000;1395442215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22093 @ 0.00093441 = 20.6439 BTC [+] 574001;1395442246;mircea_popescu;dexX7 it's unclear what happened recently with gox. 574002;1395442278;mircea_popescu;the actual quote from drama timeline as to 2011 hack is "Amusingly, reports about the security such as it was having been breached were trickling in for weeks prior. Tis impossible to evaluate the actual loss with this one, but suffice it to observe that BTC was temporarily trading for 1 cent at the time." 574003;1395442289;mircea_popescu;which just goes to show mtgox is continuing in the same tradition 574004;1395442388;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=517758.0 574005;1395442393;mircea_popescu;phin is trolling pretty hard :D 574006;1395442400;dexX7;ic. by the way: http://bitcoin.stamen.com/ 574007;1395442502;mircea_popescu;interesting. these are plots on the leaked data huh ? 574008;1395442523;mircea_popescu;useful effort, tho obviously one'd have to be cautious allocating too much credibility to the underlying datapoints. 574009;1395442640;mircea_popescu;sooo... some noob made a post suggesting btc.sx is/was in cahoots with gox and waning against it. that post is now deleted off forum 574010;1395442645;mircea_popescu;anyone happened to have retained a copy ? 574011;1395442659;mircea_popescu;or for that matter, anyone happen to be the noob in question. 574012;1395442703;dexX7;there is some kind of mirror forum of btctalk which does not delete deleted posts 574013;1395442721;mircea_popescu;ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524429.msg5814899#msg5814899 574014;1395442723;mircea_popescu;found a repost. 574015;1395442747;dexX7;https://bitcointa.lk/ 574016;1395442774;mircea_popescu;tl;dr : "My guess: they lost money on trades while Gox was Goxing people, and now they're passing this loss on to "suspicious" accounts." 574017;1395442779;BCB;dexX7: what is that 574018;1395442796;mircea_popescu;BCB a mirror so as to prevent deletion of interesting material. 574019;1395442803;BCB;interesting. 574020;1395442809;dexX7;tbh i don't know exactly what it is. i guess the attempt to create bitcointalk 2.0 574021;1395442810;BCB;The FEDs already have a mirror 574022;1395442823;BCB;dexX7: GOAT is trying to do that 574023;1395442841;dexX7;a lot of people tried, i heard 574024;1395442872;BCB;mircea_popescu: you should conduct your own investigation into Satoshi Dice 574025;1395442892;mircea_popescu;so far relatively little grounds to. 574026;1395442898;jurov;lol i almost forgotten the snow by now 574027;1395442936;BCB;mircea_popescu: uncover the identy of the "mysterious buyer" 574028;1395442967;mircea_popescu;that's a fiat world thing to do neh ? 574029;1395443085;mircea_popescu;"Seems like this is the equivalent of a LE officer asking to search your car or house looking for evidence." 574030;1395443095;mircea_popescu;teh peanut gallery will turn evertything into its owne experiences. 574031;1395443102;dexX7;why should one care about the buyer? 574032;1395443109;mircea_popescu;bitcoin economy ? like the supermarket! regulatory matters ? like a traffic cop stop! 574033;1395443125;dexX7;it's only a thing between erik and the buyer 574034;1395443125;mircea_popescu;everything's like a peanut to these people. 574035;1395443471;jurov;mircea_popescu: oh and the trilema comment was meant like TIL what I said. 574036;1395443500;jurov;or TIL I should not interject with stupid remarks 574037;1395443501;mircea_popescu;lol ? 574038;1395443515;jurov;http://trilema.com/2014/this-privacy-thing/#comment-98618 574039;1395443516;ozbot;This privacy thing… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 574040;1395443521;mircea_popescu;yeah, srsly, no jurovs were raped in the makes of these epic lolz. 574041;1395443586;mircea_popescu;Bijan Sabet @bijan So I have this friend who wants a motorcycle. But my wife, I mean, his wife doesn't think it's a great idea. Any ideas how to win her over? 574042;1395443595;mircea_popescu;Kevin Thau @kevinthau 12m @bijan I have the same friend. 574043;1395443604;mircea_popescu;Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu 19s @bijan http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2fzdjNaEu1r3w115o1_1280.jpg (nsfw, meaning not safe for wife). 574044;1395443704;jurov;is she sitting on the grill? riding over cobblestones? 574045;1395443736;jurov;yea definitely nsfw 574046;1395443740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.059 = 0.236 BTC [+] 574047;1395443799;benkay;mine liked it 574048;1395443818;benkay;but you know, pet redheads etc. 574049;1395443838;dexX7;to what office belongs +0731 076 827? 574050;1395443919;jurov;dexX7 wrong window 574051;1395443925;dexX7;nope 574052;1395443940;dexX7;was mentioned in the trilema article 574053;1395443953;dexX7;"Not that I don’t maintain offices or anything, you can call +0731 076 827 and talk to the receptionist any time you feel like." 574054;1395444016;mircea_popescu;dexX7 that'd seem to contain your answer ? 574055;1395444167;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.059 = 0.354 BTC [+] {2} 574056;1395444207;dexX7;no. >> what office? - it belongs to an office 574057;1395444229;mircea_popescu;mine dood. 574058;1395444268;pizzaman1337;I can't imagine MP going to an office 574059;1395444273;jurov;inb4 <dexx7> TIL. 574060;1395444287;mircea_popescu;it's really just a converted sauna 574061;1395444309;pizzaman1337;that makes me feel better 574062;1395444323;mircea_popescu;i just go there to lay on a couch with all sorts of flatware all over my head 574063;1395444360;pizzaman1337;pics or it didn't happen 574064;1395444376;pizzaman1337;:) 574065;1395444384;benkay;http://www.imamuseum.org/collections/artwork/m%C3%B6bius-ship-tim-hawkinson 574066;1395444394;benkay;heh im a museum 574067;1395444402;benkay;great url 574068;1395444480;dexX7;well the thing is, there is not even one phone number country code starting with a 7 :p 574069;1395444507;jurov;mp has own code 574070;1395444536;mircea_popescu;you add the country code 574071;1395444544;dexX7;then don't use a + 574072;1395444590;jurov;^ true dat 574073;1395444599;mircea_popescu;http://www.howtocallabroad.com/romania/ 574074;1395444599;ozbot;How to call Romania: country code, area codes, phone books 574075;1395444602;radan;are you in romania, dr. popescu? 574076;1395444625;mircea_popescu;yeah 574077;1395444635;radan;most financial people I know move to places like london and nyc 574078;1395444636;mircea_popescu;dexX7 i guess you'd want to see +40 731 076 827 ? 574079;1395444646;radan;I guess btc is decentralized enough for that not to be necessary for you 574080;1395444648;benkay;bitcoin finance happens anywhere but london and nyc, radan 574081;1395444654;radan;right 574082;1395444655;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96850 @ 0.00093923 = 90.9644 BTC [+] {5} 574083;1395444656;radan;like moscow 574084;1395444656;mircea_popescu;well there was some in nyc 574085;1395444659;radan;and omsk 574086;1395444664;radan;and chisinau 574087;1395444678;jurov;pyongyang 574088;1395444683;benkay;problem is keeping bitcoins within reach of the United States Government. 574089;1395444694;dexX7;yes, please. :p 574090;1395444696;mircea_popescu;aite. 574091;1395444699;radan;why doesn't north korea start an exchange 574092;1395444723;benkay;why bother? they just print all the usd they need for their iphones and chandon. 574093;1395444728;pizzaman1337;they'd need electricity first 574094;1395444729;mircea_popescu;lol 574095;1395444742;mircea_popescu;they have electricity. they make people turn a huge wheel 574096;1395444746;jurov;radan you can easily wire usd thre? 574097;1395444787;radan;I don't know 574098;1395444803;radan;I'm the last person to ask about the north korean economy 574099;1395444990;mircea_popescu;it's a mess. 574100;1395445026;mircea_popescu;for one thing, they had a kidnapping white women programme going since the 70s, so you can't conveniently take a harem over unelss you actually shoot the little rat 574101;1395445038;mircea_popescu;whatever his name is, kim-stuffed-cabbage 574102;1395445527;dexX7;some guy on wikipedia uses trilema comments as reference.. hehe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League#cite_note-2 574103;1395445667;mircea_popescu;ajaha 574104;1395445686;mircea_popescu;so wait, wait. i said in a comment on trilema that the hansa exists since 1267 and thus this is the source of wikipedia ? 574105;1395445688;pizzaman1337;[unreliable source?] 574106;1395445692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16597 @ 0.00094018 = 15.6042 BTC [+] {2} 574107;1395445695;mircea_popescu;flattering. 574108;1395445735;mircea_popescu;anyway. there's an english royal charter mentioning the name 574109;1395445817;mircea_popescu;" Sciatis me concessisse civibus meis de 574110;1395445817;mircea_popescu;Escardeburg omnes libertates et leges et consuetudines suas, et nomina- 574111;1395445817;mircea_popescu;tim Gildam suam mercatoriam et hansas suas in Anglia et Normannia 574112;1395445817;mircea_popescu;et lestagia sua per totam costam maris quieta, et quod praedictas leges 574113;1395445817;mircea_popescu;et consuetudines habeant et teneant cum omnibus libertatibus praedictae 574114;1395445818;mircea_popescu;Gildae suae et hansis suis pertinentibus. " 574115;1395446999;dexX7;bitcointa.lk appears to be actually quite useful. while btctalk is returning 502, bitcointa.lk is still available 574116;1395447034;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21346 @ 0.00093304 = 19.9167 BTC [-] {3} 574117;1395447427;benkay;if only you could mirror thermos' wallet. 574118;1395447446;benkay;;;later tell bitcoinpete subject of creative marketing and cars, did you ever see the frisky dingo scion episode? 574119;1395447447;gribble;The operation succeeded. 574120;1395448376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00094024 = 7.945 BTC [+] 574121;1395448546;BCB;dexX7: bitcointa.lk is pretty fast too. 574122;1395448603;joecool;bitcointroll.org down? 574123;1395448624;joecool;!isitdown bitcointroll.org 574124;1395448925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6186 @ 0.00094024 = 5.8163 BTC [+] 574125;1395449159;benkay;is that a thing? 574126;1395449161;benkay;;;isitdown mpex.co 574127;1395449163;gribble;mpex.co is up 574128;1395449176;benkay;;;isitdown bitcointalk.org 574129;1395449177;gribble;bitcointalk.org is up 574130;1395449230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05899 = 0.5309 BTC [-] 574131;1395449270;radan;are there btc index funds? 574132;1395449286;benkay;not really, radan. what would they be indexing? 574133;1395449290;benkay;all the scamcoins? 574134;1395449299;benkay;all the scamstocks? 574135;1395449352;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 39 @ 0.0055584 = 0.2168 BTC [-] 574136;1395449353;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.059 = 0.59 BTC [+] 574137;1395449548;radan;idk 574138;1395449555;radan;I'm an engineer, not a banker 574139;1395449617;nubbins`;what sort of train do you run? 574140;1395449636;benkay;a choo choo twane 574141;1395449652;nubbins`;too tooo 574142;1395449672;benkay;nubbins`: many thanks for design consult 574143;1395449681;nubbins`;hey, my pleasure 574144;1395449714;benkay;;;rate nubbins 1 designs and prints 574145;1395449714;gribble;Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings. 574146;1395449720;benkay;d'oh 574147;1395449726;benkay;;;gettrust nubbins 574148;1395449726;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user nubbins: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=nubbins | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins | Rated since: never 574149;1395449728;benkay;;;gettrust nubbins` 574150;1395449729;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user nubbins`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013 574151;1395449756;benkay;;;rate nubbins` 1 arts and prints 574152;1395449757;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nubbins` has been recorded. 574153;1395449796;benkay;wow "excellent javascript skills" 574154;1395449801;nubbins`;i actually added nubbins without a ` to my highlight list because i was missing so many pings 574155;1395449847;nubbins`;and convinced nanotube to urlencode nicks so my rating page would display as nubbins%60 and not break clients 574156;1395449854;nubbins`;i tell ya, the things i do for this ` ;( 574157;1395449879;benkay;nanotube's generally amenable to not horrible ideas. 574158;1395449945;nubbins`;javascript, language of tomorrow 574159;1395450024;nubbins`;you might want to adjust the way footnotes are presented too 574160;1395450082;nubbins`;i.e. put the <sup> of the footnote number inside the <p> of the footnote text, so it doesn't put a huge break in there 574161;1395450281;benkay;javascript: it's totally lisp 574162;1395450300;benkay;ha yeah excellent idea, nubbins`, ty. fixing that's been on my agenda for a minute now 574163;1395450301;benkay;just. 574164;1395450303;benkay;exceedingly. 574165;1395450304;benkay;busy. 574166;1395450346;benkay;is there a non-horrible web analytics operation? 574167;1395450522;nubbins`;ehh 574168;1395450536;nubbins`;they're all a bit intrusive 574169;1395450550;nubbins`;google analytics is at least easy to implement, but people have strong opinions on it 574170;1395450570;benkay;starting with google. 574171;1395450587;nubbins`;lel yeah even without getting to the second word in the product name 574172;1395450604;benkay;having used it, it also sucks. 574173;1395450606;nubbins`;we used this one analytics package at my last job from -- i think -- adobe 574174;1395450611;benkay;shit operator, shit product. 574175;1395450620;benkay;any experience with piwik? 574176;1395450621;nubbins`;it took weeks to figure out what the fucking stats and graphs represented 574177;1395450623;nubbins`;nah 574178;1395450693;nubbins`;i avoided working with analytics stuff whenever possible 574179;1395450706;nubbins`;terrible voodoo, this 574180;1395450752;nubbins`;innocently add analytics to a website, next thing you're spending your weeks tweaking goal funnels 574181;1395450763;nubbins`;rather than making websites 574182;1395450780;benkay;let me tell you something, dear client, you must actually sell your product. 574183;1395450782;benkay;*rolls eyes* 574184;1395450796;benkay;right up there with "sometimes the best mobile strategy is no mobile strategy" 574185;1395450864;nubbins`;just went downstairs to reclaim and recoat some screens -- found two fresh ones already coated and ready to burn 574186;1395450869;nubbins`;fist pump 574187;1395450921;nubbins`;we've got a rush job lined up for tomorrow and we won't get the final content for the posters until like 4am ;0 574188;1395450963;benkay;ka yikes 574189;1395452152;benkay;where can I see hashrate stats etc for atc? 574190;1395453433;mike_c;http://atc.blockr.io/charts 574191;1395453610;cazalla;;;seen ReutersEmily 574192;1395453610;gribble;ReutersEmily was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 hours, 58 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <ReutersEmily> same album as Mistadobalina also features a wonderful song called "What Is A Booty" 574193;1395453631;cazalla;i wonder if she will return 574194;1395453644;ThickAsThieves;I suspect she will 574195;1395453837;KRS-One;I love that song Mistadoblina lol its good 574196;1395453853;KRS-One;i think the singer is ice cube's cousin or something 574197;1395453918;KRS-One;.bait 574198;1395453919;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/fad73d5e78ea3c26f660be6f138ad4cf/tumblr_mktpdxNX9K1rck5gjo1_500.jpg 574199;1395453928;nubbins`;hmm. 574200;1395453942;KRS-One;Mmmm. Supple. 574201;1395454007;benkay;.bait 574202;1395454008;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/fad73d5e78ea3c26f660be6f138ad4cf/tumblr_mktpdxNX9K1rck5gjo1_500.jpg 574203;1395454018;benkay;lame that's the same one! 574204;1395454021;benkay;.bait 574205;1395454022;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/10adc4b8fdf8df350f710735e77dd657/tumblr_mtrj3kjrJA1sn9467o1_500.jpg 574206;1395454022;KRS-One;wtf 574207;1395454026;KRS-One;.bait 574208;1395454027;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/edefef99a885bc6d4df05e1ba445d0f0/tumblr_mosra75L8M1sv1aoso1_400.gif 574209;1395454035;KRS-One;the rng ok? 574210;1395454046;benkay;haw 574211;1395454049;KRS-One;someone needs to delete these black and whites..damn 574212;1395454270;cazalla;well, she didn't take the time to register her nick 574213;1395454701;BCB;ozbot, are they PM's girls 574214;1395454729;diametric;.bait 574215;1395454730;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdp5ekoox71rjbi2lo1_500.jpg 574216;1395454772;BCB;bait for what 574217;1395454964;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00093627 = 17.7891 BTC [-] 574218;1395455064;diametric;oh was showing my wife the command when she glanced over 574219;1395455090;asciilifeform;lol 574220;1395455269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00093641 = 2.9965 BTC [+] 574221;1395455269;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00324 = 0.1458 BTC [-] 574222;1395455391;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0032295 = 0.1776 BTC [-] {3} 574223;1395455574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10296 @ 0.00093627 = 9.6398 BTC [-] 574224;1395455696;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00334999 = 0.1474 BTC [+] {2} 574225;1395455940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 153 @ 0.00319985 = 0.4896 BTC [-] {4} 574226;1395456123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07467777 = 0.3734 BTC [-] 574227;1395456672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22778 @ 0.00093579 = 21.3154 BTC [-] {2} 574228;1395457099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07467777 = 0.1494 BTC [-] 574229;1395457343;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10501 @ 0.00093472 = 9.8155 BTC [-] {2} 574230;1395457404;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07475801 = 0.6728 BTC [+] {3} 574231;1395458258;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.00315301 = 0.4887 BTC [-] {2} 574232;1395458380;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 803 @ 0.00315301 = 2.5319 BTC [-] {2} 574233;1395458624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.074989 = 2.0247 BTC [+] 574234;1395458685;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.075 = 0.675 BTC [+] 574235;1395458742;chetty;http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-03-21/russia-%E2%80%9Csanction-spiral%E2%80%9D-elegantly-spirals-out-control 574236;1395458807;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.075 = 0.75 BTC [+] 574237;1395459173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.00094066 = 47.3152 BTC [+] {3} 574238;1395460332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00093976 = 14.1434 BTC [-] 574239;1395460420;Namworld;So anyway, yes, it seems the US-Russia clusterfuckshowfest is returning. 574240;1395460446;Namworld;There is a touch of Cold in the air. 574241;1395460724;dignork;Namworld, try reading the same text twice, it's FUD. Punchline is Jay Carney's phrase from two days ago 574242;1395460751;dignork;But nicely written, yes 574243;1395460881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49700 @ 0.00094091 = 46.7632 BTC [+] 574244;1395461022;Namworld;Oh, that text doesn't matter. If it's FUD it doesn't matter either. 574245;1395461066;Namworld;I'm just referring to US-Russia bitching each other once again, which is actually happening. 574246;1395461085;Namworld;How serious it gets, not going to speculate on that. 574247;1395461369;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05899999 = 0.118 BTC [-] 574248;1395461370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06200001 = 0.124 BTC [+] 574249;1395461634;KRS-One;Word is that if serious sanctions are imposed the Russian economy could crash. Jeez we need to work toward global economic growth and this isnt going to help. Hope at least it will save lives. 574250;1395461714;chetty;Its a global economy, all these guys are tied together, one economy doesn't go down alone 574251;1395461735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 303 @ 0.00313706 = 0.9505 BTC [-] {12} 574252;1395461857;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 886 @ 0.00083169 = 0.7369 BTC [-] {10} 574253;1395461976;KRS-One;yeah that was more or less my point 574254;1395462041;dignork;KRS-One when did it happen that economic sanctions saved people lives? 574255;1395462186;dignork;US is dropping sanctions in hope that people will revolt, and overthrow Putin, surely it will save lives 574256;1395462406;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00315301 = 0.123 BTC [+] 574257;1395462564;asciilifeform;don't bring castor bean to u.s. uni: http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/21/us/georgetown-student-ricin 574258;1395462693;KRS-One;dignork: not debating that..more or less a contrast to using military force..dont look too much into what i'm saying. 574259;1395463504;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00094103 = 21.4555 BTC [+] {3} 574260;1395463931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00094127 = 6.4006 BTC [+] 574261;1395464031;usaoscoin;where is mirc popesku 574262;1395464101;B007;sleeping 574263;1395464724;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00625 = 0.1563 BTC [-] 574264;1395465334;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6621 @ 0.00094127 = 6.2321 BTC [+] 574265;1395465395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00315046 = 3.1505 BTC [-] {4} 574266;1395465396;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.00094177 = 19.5417 BTC [+] {4} 574267;1395465517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00093932 = 15.4988 BTC [-] {2} 574268;1395465944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.0062889 = 0.3522 BTC [+] {2} 574269;1395466676;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19295 @ 0.00094231 = 18.1819 BTC [+] 574270;1395468123;dub;!ticker mp s.mpoe 574271;1395468123;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00082303 / 0.00090392 / 0.00096 (1146822 shares, 1,036.64 BTC), 7D: 0.00079506 / 0.00084304 / 0.00096 (6294202 shares, 5,306.29 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00085078 / 0.00096 (29652343 shares, 25,227.87 BTC) 574272;1395468177;dub;!ticker havelock am1 574273;1395468178;assbot;[HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.59000000 / 0.59855272 / 0.62000000 (89 shares, 53.27119209 BTC), 7D: 0.59000000 / 0.61090914 / 0.63900000 (486 shares, 296.90184044 BTC), 30D: 0.45000000 / 0.57221105 / 0.68000000 (3538 shares, 2024.48269555 BTC) 574274;1395468782;Neil;.d 574275;1395468782;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 523 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.0779% in 3d 3h 45m 8s 574276;1395468810;Neil;Hmm, higher than that I think. The 16% is looking a little close. 574277;1395469177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00094278 = 11.4548 BTC [+] {2} 574278;1395470852;cazalla;think you'll win Neil? 574279;1395470946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59380001 = 1.7814 BTC [+] {2} 574280;1395471129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00094324 = 24.0998 BTC [+] {2} 574281;1395471304;cazalla;mircea_popescu: is there an archive of logs prior to 26-04-2013? 574282;1395471434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.0009417 = 13.9372 BTC [-] 574283;1395471841;cryptoflood;Hey guys, Never really have chat here before just lurked, but I've been learning the ropes for a while now. Lost my last identity due to learning ignorance. Trying to build my WOT rating back up. 574284;1395472349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.0009437 = 21.8467 BTC [+] {2} 574285;1395472959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.0009393 = 7.4205 BTC [-] 574286;1395473469;chetty;hello cryptoflood this tends to be a quiet time of day here 574287;1395473520;chetty;cryptoflood, maybe spend some time reading the logs 574288;1395474606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23966 @ 0.00094567 = 22.6639 BTC [+] {3} 574289;1395475033;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62111065 = 3.1056 BTC [+] {4} 574290;1395475094;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6213 = 1.8639 BTC [+] 574291;1395475338;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62149004 = 1.243 BTC [+] {2} 574292;1395475399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.62164446 = 8.0814 BTC [+] {2} 574293;1395475460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+] 574294;1395475521;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62158008 BTC [-] 574295;1395475582;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62169999 BTC [+] 574296;1395475649;jurov;cazalla, kako said he has them but they need cleaning up 574297;1395475669;jurov;(i do have some such too) 574298;1395475920;KRS-One;.bait 574299;1395475921;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m15jylCHi81qf11uso1_500.jpg 574300;1395476680;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 74 @ 0.07206758 = 5.333 BTC [-] {5} 574301;1395477778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00094098 = 11.3388 BTC [-] 574302;1395478083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 479 @ 0.00313008 = 1.4993 BTC [-] {2} 574303;1395478815;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07200269 = 1.152 BTC [-] {4} 574304;1395478937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00094098 = 11.1977 BTC [-] 574305;1395479364;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00094135 = 18.6858 BTC [+] {2} 574306;1395479974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00094491 = 16.158 BTC [+] {2} 574307;1395480740;mircea_popescu;soo what's new. 574308;1395480959;mircea_popescu;nubbins` maybe just BE nubbins` without a nubbin ? 574309;1395481126;mircea_popescu;motherfucker twitter changed profile layout 574310;1395481776;cazalla;jurov: are they online anywhere? 574311;1395481815;cazalla;nice timing mircea_popescu, do you have logs prior to 26-04-2013? 574312;1395481835;mircea_popescu;logs of what ? 574313;1395481867;cazalla;sorry, #bitcoin-assets 574314;1395481878;mircea_popescu;a 574315;1395481881;mircea_popescu;yeah 574316;1395481925;cazalla;available online for public consumption? 574317;1395481956;mircea_popescu;well no inasmuch as they 574318;1395481958;mircea_popescu;'re my logs 574319;1395481972;cazalla;fair enough 574320;1395481975;mircea_popescu;you'll have to bug kako, and probably volunteer a lot of work 574321;1395482002;mircea_popescu;i don't recall why the chan log only starts from april 2013, but prolly cause lazy 574322;1395482848;cazalla;perhaps volunteer work is an opportunity to earn some wot 574323;1395482917;dnivi3;Anyone bought Cryptorush shares? 574324;1395483023;mircea_popescu;dnivi3 nobody sane. 574325;1395483093;mircea_popescu;cazalla this is a point. 574326;1395483099;dnivi3;Seems like I jumped on the train a bit too early thinking that the price would rise (which it did for a little while). I am dumping my shares, can't justify the investment with regards to their shitty dividen. 574327;1395483120;mircea_popescu;dividends aren't really the chief consideration in investments. 574328;1395483194;dnivi3;Sure, but their business does not seem to thrive anyways so I'd rather pull out. What do you consider the chief consideration? 574329;1395483272;VanCleef;i wish there was something decent to invest in 574330;1395483287;mircea_popescu;Untermyer: Is not commercial credit based primarily upon money or property? 574331;1395483287;mircea_popescu;Morgan: No, sir. The first thing is character. 574332;1395483287;mircea_popescu;Untermyer: Before money or property? 574333;1395483287;mircea_popescu;Morgan: Before money or anything else. Money cannot buy it a man I do not trust could not get money from me on all the bonds in Christendom. 574334;1395483368;dnivi3;@micea_popescu: OK, what is that supposed to tell me? @VanCleef: there are some decent funds on Havelock, for example Peta Mine. 574335;1395483385;VanCleef;isn't petamine just a PMB tho? 574336;1395483393;VanCleef;therefore bad? 574337;1395483421;dnivi3;PMB? Not sure what that means, to be honest. Care to explain? 574338;1395483454;VanCleef;perpetual mining bond 574339;1395483499;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-with-pmbs-ie-perpetual-mining-bonds/ 574340;1395483500;ozbot;The problem with PMBs, ie “Perpetual Mining Bonds” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 574341;1395483500;VanCleef;so like each share locks you into a hashrate not a percentage of the companies total hashing power 574342;1395483515;mircea_popescu;dnivi3 so give yourself time, lots to learn. 574343;1395483520;dnivi3;Ah, that's true. Hmm, interesting. 574344;1395483523;VanCleef;thus being worth less as the network difficulty goes up? 574345;1395483582;dnivi3;Yes, indeed. However, it is not the case though if the mining operation is intending to reinvest (something which PETA intends to do). 574346;1395483596;mircea_popescu;how is it not true ? 574347;1395483630;dnivi3;They have a reinvestment plan for the future, to increase their hashrate. 35% of all profit goes to reinvestment for hash power. 574348;1395483630;B007;http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-03-21/sec-bitcoin-shadow-banking-levitt-on-n-dot-y-dot-probe-compliance 574349;1395483631;ozbot;SEC-Bitcoin, Shadow Banking, Levitt on N.Y. Probe: Compliance - Businessweek 574350;1395483645;B007;made it into my inbox via google alerts on bitcoin 574351;1395483668;mircea_popescu;dnivi3 so ? 574352;1395483687;mircea_popescu;i have a bottle of coca cola. 35% of what i drink goes into buying more coca cola 574353;1395483693;mircea_popescu;therefore my bottle of coca cola can never be empty. 574354;1395483725;mircea_popescu;what is this, logic 101 for people that haven't mastered the arrow in flight "paradox" ? 574355;1395483805;B007;anyway time for bed 574356;1395483942;dnivi3;I am not quite sure how the arrow in flight paradox relates to this. 574357;1395484068;mircea_popescu;the fact that they reinvest some portion of the dividends is completely irrelevant. 574358;1395484071;mircea_popescu;but completely. 574359;1395484078;mircea_popescu;if they paid out that 35% you could reinvest it yourself. 574360;1395484091;mircea_popescu;and it'd even be better, because you wouldn't be locked into whatever braindamage they come up with 574361;1395484106;mircea_popescu;so in this sense, you're just getting 100% dividend, except a 35% portion of it is actually worth less 574362;1395484109;mircea_popescu;through being restricted. 574363;1395484523;dnivi3;Interesting. Thanks for the insight. I gotta go! 574364;1395484623;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/so-heres-a-problem-for-you/ if anyone feels mathematically inclined 574365;1395484624;ozbot;So here’s a problem for you… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 574366;1395484671;chetty;A workbook handed out to seventh grade students in Springfield, Ill., states that all Americans must register their firearms in order to have a Second Amendment right. 574367;1395484767;mircea_popescu;derp 574368;1395484774;mircea_popescu;you know what springfield is like ? 574369;1395484791;VanCleef;In an echo of the Cold War, MasterCard and Visa have stopped processing payments by some Russian banks after the United States issued sanctions over Russia's recent annexation of Crimea. 574370;1395484808;VanCleef;Putin the next C.E.O of bitcoin 574371;1395484901;wao-ender;yeah, I read it, would be nice. 574372;1395484906;HeySteve;Putin tried to get a regional processing centre for credit cards several years back 574373;1395484976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0061 = 0.1159 BTC [-] {2} 574374;1395485003;samson_;WTF has Crimea got to do with the US ? 574375;1395485012;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bi5vBxHCcAIfquU.png 574376;1395485036;VanCleef;usa just being sooks 574377;1395485073;VanCleef;lol mircea 574378;1395485308;VanCleef;http://imgur.com/t4vFhsc 574379;1395485309;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 574380;1395485923;VanCleef;more i think aboutit my god that whatssapp deal was such a bad buy 574381;1395486004;mircea_popescu;at least you're not in facebook's shoes 574382;1395486171;VanCleef;i would rather buy wechat for alot cheaper 574383;1395486302;FabianB;i don't think tencent would ever sell 574384;1395486388;wao-ender;let's use telegram instead of whatsapp 574385;1395486421;VanCleef;heh iunintalled whatsapp already 574386;1395486554;mircea_popescu;someone actually had it installed ?! 574387;1395486695;*;wao-ender dont 574388;1395486714;chetty;http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/21/White-House-Leads-Liberal-Media-In-Matt-Drudge-Attack 574389;1395486739;VanCleef;:P 574390;1395486793;chetty;no wonder people are so clueless about finance 574391;1395488351;MisterE;http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2014-03-21/russia-%E2%80%9Csanction-spiral%E2%80%9D-elegantly-spirals-out-control 574392;1395488366;MisterE;So I guess if you'e in a fund that invests in a Russian company you could get screwed f that the Russian holdings are sanctioned... 574393;1395488387;MisterE;where is the url bot? 574394;1395488453;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34558 @ 0.00094047 = 32.5008 BTC [-] 574395;1395488453;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 9324 @ 0.00310323 = 28.9345 BTC [-] {24} 574396;1395488758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8272 @ 0.00093849 = 7.7632 BTC [-] 574397;1395488962;Mats_cd03;Zerohedge is poorly disguised dog shiy 574398;1395489795;kakobrekla;<mircea_popescu> i don't recall why the chan log only starts from april 2013, but prolly cause lazy < like a year of bullshit isnt enough 574399;1395489809;mircea_popescu;also a point. 574400;1395489856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1230 @ 0.0031 = 3.813 BTC [-] 574401;1395489997;mircea_popescu;for bingoboingo and whoever else may care : http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/ 574402;1395490100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.0031 = 0.775 BTC [-] 574403;1395490161;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 520 @ 0.0031 = 1.612 BTC [-] 574404;1395490832;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18650 @ 0.00094091 = 17.548 BTC [+] {3} 574405;1395491808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00094224 = 8.9513 BTC [+] 574406;1395492087;kakobrekla;http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524429.msg5837265#msg5837265 574407;1395492089;ozbot;Let's talk about BTC.SX and MT.GOX 574408;1395492108;kakobrekla;at times like these, ban hurts. 574409;1395492721;Namworld;My antivirus considers Google's DoubleClick cookie as an infected files and keeps deleting it.It classify snooping cookies as viruses. 574410;1395492723;ThickAsThieves;surely you are a man with IPs at your disposal 574411;1395492728;Namworld;It seems an apt classification. 574412;1395492845;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00093849 = 0.9385 BTC [-] 574413;1395493089;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00093913 = 0.9391 BTC [+] 574414;1395494008;kakobrekla;i dont think its even ip restricted 574415;1395494038;kakobrekla;but i would need to register a sock, thats the issue 574416;1395494095;kakobrekla;http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=526064.0 574417;1395494096;ozbot;We have decided to donate 100btc to those who lost funds from mt gox 574418;1395494370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07100125 = 0.426 BTC [-] {2} 574419;1395494711;ThickAsThieves;maybe make a sock that isnt a sock, like call yourself Bitcoin Assets 574420;1395494744;ThickAsThieves;or hell, kakobrekla2 574421;1395494818;kakobrekla;mebbe, ill see how bad the itch gets 574422;1395495041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61999997 BTC [-] 574423;1395495102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.61999998 = 3.72 BTC [+] 574424;1395495206;jborkl;That is very generous of them 574425;1395495212;jborkl;:/ 574426;1395495255;the20year;how thoughtful 574427;1395495468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00093913 = 14.8383 BTC [+] {2} 574428;1395495769;Neil;.d 574429;1395495769;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 469 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.4934% in 2d 19h 13m 57s 574430;1395496017;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00093984 = 0.9398 BTC [+] 574431;1395496139;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92517 @ 0.000938 = 86.7809 BTC [-] {6} 574432;1395496566;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00093452 = 2.3363 BTC [-] 574433;1395497603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27433 @ 0.00093586 = 25.6734 BTC [+] {2} 574434;1395497725;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30350 @ 0.00094245 = 28.6034 BTC [+] {3} 574435;1395498474;mircea_popescu;In response to the argument that Title III provides no explicit provision for disclosures under the present facts, the court noted that "[Title III] does not prohibit all that it does not permit". 574436;1395498486;mircea_popescu;teh us pseudolegal system is such lol by now. 574437;1395498715;chetty;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586765/Breaking-News-Defiant-Ukranian-commander-orders-outnumbered-men-stand-ground-expect-engage-Russian-troops-surrounding-military-base.html 574438;1395498851;artifexd;I'm having trouble with http://trilema.com/2014/so-heres-a-problem-for-you/ If there was any bias in the coin, wouldn't that bias show up as a favoring towards heads in the end results? 574439;1395498900;artifexd;And if there was no bias in the coin, a straight forward flip would be good enough. 574440;1395499243;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00094232 = 7.2559 BTC [-] 574441;1395499269;mircea_popescu;artifexd http://trilema.com/2014/so-heres-a-problem-for-you/#comment-98648 574442;1395499336;artifexd;ohstopityou.jpg 574443;1395499343;mircea_popescu;:) 574444;1395499426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6191 BTC [-] 574445;1395499577;artifexd;I recoded my test for that change and the results are an even distribution regardless of flip bias. Cool. 574446;1395499620;artifexd;Unless the bias is 100%, in which case there is no entropy to tap so you can't get any entropy out. 574447;1395499770;mircea_popescu;artifexd if the bias is 100% you'll discard all sets. 574448;1395499800;mircea_popescu;in computational terms, the algo doesn't crash, it just never finishes. 574449;1395499823;artifexd;True. But a generator that never generates can hardly be called a generator. 574450;1395499841;mircea_popescu;depends if you're discussing it as an engineer or as a computer scientist. 574451;1395499848;mircea_popescu;neumann was the later, and in that context yes it can. 574452;1395499866;mircea_popescu;after all, it is generatING. 574453;1395499890;chetty;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjSS03aCcAANewV.png 574454;1395499894;artifexd;That strikes me as amusing 574455;1395499901;mircea_popescu;well it should, because it is :D 574456;1395499912;mircea_popescu;chetty bwahaha 574457;1395499914;chetty;they got this wrong, the bitcoin should be the bite 574458;1395499923;mircea_popescu;or the wall. 574459;1395500020;artifexd;If anyone wants it, here is the code for the Newman fair-izing test: http://dpaste.com/hold/1752001/ 574460;1395500045;artifexd;Change line 9 to vary the bias to your hearts content. 574461;1395500364;mircea_popescu;nice. 574462;1395500375;mircea_popescu;but it is neumann you know 574463;1395500389;artifexd;That may explain why google failed me 574464;1395500401;mircea_popescu;whoa you don't know the greatest mathematician that ever lived ? 574465;1395500406;mircea_popescu;defo must read up on him. 574466;1395500424;mircea_popescu;;;google John von Neumann 574467;1395500425;gribble;John von Neumann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann>; Von Neumann architecture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_architecture>; John von Neumann - CS Dept. NSF-Supported Education ...: <http://ei.cs.vt.edu/~history/VonNeumann.html> 574468;1395500549;artifexd;I did discover him in my googling. I didn't expect you to misspell his name though so I though you were talking about someone else 574469;1395500558;artifexd;*thought 574470;1395500582;mircea_popescu;i misspelled ?! 574471;1395500599;artifexd;"Ok, so did you come up with Newman’s method or not ?" 574472;1395500633;mircea_popescu;well HOW EASY do you want me to makle it ;/ 574473;1395500697;artifexd;I only expect you to be you. 574474;1395500706;mircea_popescu;on my better days. 574475;1395500715;mircea_popescu;unrelatedtly, this may be lulzy : http://financiallyregulated.com/2013/10/21/man-who-mocked-the-sec-in-his-blog-has-been-indicted/ 574476;1395500765;nubbins`;so pascale's art school was "donated" a bunch of inks from a local screenprint shop 574477;1395500772;nubbins`;which they in turn donated to us 574478;1395500787;nubbins`;about a third of them were usable, the rest (10-15 gallons) aren't fit for use 574479;1395500804;nubbins`;brought em out to the dump today, and they wouldn't take them because it's commercial waste 574480;1395500820;mircea_popescu;what was the problem with them ? 574481;1395500825;nubbins`;so now we have 15 gallons of "donated" ink that's gonna cost us $2-300 to dispose of 574482;1395500833;nubbins`;really old, starting to separate 574483;1395500848;mircea_popescu;you can probably reemusify them if you have an old washing machine 574484;1395500859;nubbins`;they're plastisol inks, PVC particles in emulsion 574485;1395500864;mircea_popescu;so ? 574486;1395500886;nubbins`;so uh 574487;1395500891;nubbins`;nothing i guess 574488;1395500895;mircea_popescu;do you have an old washing machine / 574489;1395500896;nubbins`;either way, old inks break down 574490;1395500900;nubbins`;and no, we don't 574491;1395500906;mircea_popescu;wel lthen you're stuck. 574492;1395500919;nubbins`;you can take a quart of old ink and mix it with a power drill for an hour and it's still shit 574493;1395500924;nubbins`;stuck indeed 574494;1395500934;mircea_popescu;not that way, that doesn't work. 574495;1395500935;nubbins`;that's what we get for taking donations without inspecting em first 574496;1395500938;nubbins`;lesson learned 574497;1395500962;mircea_popescu;you put it in the tumbler, stuff the tumbler with rags or packing peanuts or w/e to keep the cans flush to the side, then hook it to dry for a while. 574498;1395500965;mircea_popescu;it'll sort them out. 574499;1395501015;nubbins`;you're a complicated man 574500;1395501022;mircea_popescu;what did i do now 574501;1395501046;nubbins`;impressed me with your knowledge of random things 574502;1395501049;nubbins`;:o 574503;1395501052;mircea_popescu;lol 574504;1395501063;nubbins`;either way, fuck these inks 574505;1395501069;mircea_popescu;well that also works. 574506;1395501072;nubbins`;unfortunately i can't even sneak em into the trash 574507;1395501082;nubbins`;well. not with a clear conscience 574508;1395501083;mircea_popescu;you can just pour them into the toilet, one ounce a day 574509;1395501086;mircea_popescu;take you a month or so 574510;1395501087;nubbins`;noooo 574511;1395501090;nubbins`;the seabirds 574512;1395501102;mircea_popescu;so you time it out 574513;1395501117;mircea_popescu;you know, like spacing it out but over time. 574514;1395501120;nubbins`;heh 574515;1395501130;nubbins`;well, i've gotta get to printing 574516;1395501134;nubbins`;try to turn this shit day around 574517;1395501137;mircea_popescu;noooo 574518;1395501139;mircea_popescu;the seabirds! 574519;1395501214;nubbins`;fun fact, we dumped raw sewage into the atlantic until 2 years ago 574520;1395501344;mircea_popescu;http://www.sehn.org/Endocrine_Disruption.html << that's the plasticiser, btw 574521;1395501345;ozbot;Science & Environmental Health Network - Ecological Medicine: Essays 574522;1395501351;mircea_popescu;probably some phtalate ester or other 574523;1395501379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15246 @ 0.00094232 = 14.3666 BTC [-] 574524;1395501439;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00305112 = 0.1098 BTC [-] {3} 574525;1395501701;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=525676.0 < check it out, jimothy's being upstaged. 574526;1395501703;ozbot;Popescu'd need not be a verb nor a discussion. All say aye.., say AYE, "AYE!" 574527;1395502110;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.003075 = 0.1015 BTC [+] 574528;1395502537;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0710566 = 1.0658 BTC [+] {4} 574529;1395502598;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07100124 = 1.42 BTC [-] {2} 574530;1395503269;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28304 @ 0.00094257 = 26.6785 BTC [+] {2} 574531;1395503685;only;they will soon come up with bitcoin: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/53673/how-does-the-authentication-in-the-new-uk-1-coin-work 574532;1395503735;mircea_popescu;for some values of soon 574533;1395503745;artifexd;https://leastauthority.com/blog/BLAKE2-harder-better-faster-stronger-than-MD5.html#id1 574534;1395503746;ozbot;Least Authority 574535;1395503746;artifexd;relevant quote "the Bitcoin network is performing enough computation to generate SHA-1 collisions every 131 minutes!" 574536;1395503767;mircea_popescu;luckily the uk pound isn't worth the hassle. 574537;1395503844;only;45m+ 1 pound coin fakes in circulation 574538;1395503924;mircea_popescu;that's almost enough to start a fake bitcoin mining farm 574539;1395503940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.42564200 BTC to 4`100 shares, 59162 satoshi per share 574540;1395503977;mircea_popescu;http://financiallyregulated.com/2011/11/21/strips-investor-stripped-of-his-investment-dignity/?relatedposts_hit=1&relatedposts_origin=3489&relatedposts_position=1 574541;1395503986;mircea_popescu;this guy should be covering bitcoin corps. 574542;1395504077;ThickAsThieves;Popescu'd need not be a verb nor a discussion. So let's discuss! 574543;1395504078;only;lol 574544;1395504112;mircea_popescu;guy's worried that all his shady work promoting various scams may land him in hot water. 574545;1395504121;mircea_popescu;which... who knows, always a possibility. 574546;1395504123;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] [PAID] 2.17250000 BTC to 86`900 shares, 2500 satoshi per share 574547;1395504184;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 118000 @ 0.0109775 = 1295.345 BTC [-] 574548;1395504228;mircea_popescu;$depth x.idiff.jun 574549;1395504229;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: X.IDIFF.JUN Bids: [] 574550;1395504230;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: Asks: ['127000 @ 0.0109775'] 574551;1395504243;mircea_popescu;look at that, we're trading. 574552;1395504245;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 5000 @ 0.0109775 = 54.8875 BTC [-] 574553;1395504279;ThickAsThieves;wow 574554;1395504306;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 100132 @ 0.0109775 = 1099.199 BTC [-] {2} 574555;1395504341;mircea_popescu;hm 574556;1395504342;mircea_popescu;.d 574557;1395504342;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 454 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.2920% in 2d 17h 27m 5s 574558;1395504354;mircea_popescu;;;calc 4.25 * 1.15**7 574559;1395504355;gribble;11.305084492 574560;1395504361;mircea_popescu;;;calc 4.25 * 1.125**7 574561;1395504361;gribble;9.69296371937 574562;1395504367;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 26868 @ 0.0109775 = 294.9435 BTC [-] {2} 574563;1395504371;mircea_popescu;;;calc 4.25 * 1.145**7 574564;1395504371;gribble;10.9654721643 574565;1395504384;mircea_popescu;so 14.5% till june 574566;1395504525;mircea_popescu;$vwap x.idiff.jun 574567;1395504526;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: X.IDIFF.JUN 1 day: average: 0.0109775 high: 0.0109775 low: 0.0109775 volume: 275393 btc: 3023.1266575 7 day: average: 0.0109775 high: 0.0109775 low: 0.0109775 volume: 275393 btc: 3023.1266575 30 day: average: 0.0109775 high: 0.0109775 low: 0.0109775 volume: 275393 btc: 3023.1266575 574568;1395504550;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 25393 @ 0.0109775 = 278.7517 BTC [-] 574569;1395504550;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00326812 = 0.4902 BTC [+] {6} 574570;1395504676;mircea_popescu;suddenly that 16% bet appears a lot more interesting. 574571;1395504703;mircea_popescu;;;calc 4.25 * 1.18**6 574572;1395504703;gribble;11.4731051504 574573;1395504708;asciilifeform;re: hash algos: one could argue that any hash function whose defeat (preimage, etc.) wouldn't sink something major (e.g. btc) isn't worth using. 574574;1395504709;mircea_popescu;;;calc 4.25 * 1.16**6 574575;1395504709;gribble;10.354684372 574576;1395504746;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform these days, yes. 574577;1395504753;asciilifeform;naturally this only applies to cryptographic hashes, rather than checksums 574578;1395504758;mircea_popescu;ten-twenty years ago there was nothing really major that depended on them so. 574579;1395504771;asciilifeform;right. but we're in today. 574580;1395504775;mircea_popescu;we are. 574581;1395504791;mircea_popescu;most experts are over 50 and don't hang out in the right places, so 574582;1395504801;mircea_popescu;one can prolly make a living for years just out of that observation. 574583;1395504862;asciilifeform;i still think it possible that there are competent people, but 'dark matter' because why should they talk. 574584;1395504876;mircea_popescu;because it's fun, and human. 574585;1395504896;asciilifeform;no argument 574586;1395505017;artifexd;For some people, talking is not fun. Or maybe it is, but writing code is orders of magnitude more fun than writing english. 574587;1395505038;mircea_popescu;possibly because they never bothered to learn english properly. 574588;1395505060;artifexd;It isn't about the medium. It's about the audience. 574589;1395505083;mircea_popescu;i never heard of a programmer that judged the languages on the basis of the machines involved. 574590;1395505091;kakobrekla;alert('whats wrong with the audience here?'); 574591;1395505096;mircea_popescu;"javascript is really cool, it works on every shitty laptop out there" 574592;1395505130;mircea_popescu;as opposed to "lisp is crap, they only run it on shit" 574593;1395505131;artifexd;The audience of english is other humans, generally. The audience of code is the machine. 574594;1395505143;mircea_popescu;the audience is abstracted in either case. 574595;1395505146;assbot; hey! 574596;1395505171;mircea_popescu;that's trhe very point of having a language : abstracting the audience. 574597;1395505187;mircea_popescu;otherwise you'd just carry a soldering iron everywhere. 574598;1395505248;Ghaleon;solid point 574599;1395505262;mircea_popescu;and i can't even say it in c++ 574600;1395505286;mircea_popescu;because.... wait for it... c++ IS NOT POWERFUL ENOUGH :D 574601;1395505288;Ghaleon;as programmers we must rise up now and be better bridges between humans and machines, money is the lifeblood of human energy, thus we must improve as ambassardors 574602;1395505294;artifexd;Success in communicating via code is much easier to measure than in english. "Did it compile?" vs "Did he/she understand me?" 574603;1395505316;mircea_popescu;artifexd if you're limiting yourself to successes you can measure you're more likely to become obese than get laid. 574604;1395505316;Ghaleon;hence the typical irc, leet jerk attitude is bout to be extinct 574605;1395505335;asciilifeform;'Did it compile?' << i should hope that you are joking re: this being a standard of success in your work 574606;1395505343;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.07148303 = 2.1445 BTC [+] {8} 574607;1395505352;kakobrekla;but 'did it compile' check is equal to 'did i make any typos' not 'is the code fucking shit' 574608;1395505354;mircea_popescu;poor artifexd ended up in a shitspot 574609;1395505373;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla stop fuding and slandering bitcointalk CEOs. 574610;1395505382;asciilifeform;see also herr dijkstra's aphorism re: bugs 574611;1395505382;kakobrekla;what did i do nao 574612;1395505391;mircea_popescu;the time to be kakobrekla'd is never! say aye! 574613;1395505392;artifexd;Standard of success? No. Measurement? Sure. "Yes compile" is further along than "No compile" 574614;1395505428;mircea_popescu;Ghaleon as you approach mastery you'll notice the leet asshole is an epic bridge builder type. 574615;1395505479;Ghaleon;mp, yes, the challenge is finding that person who can build the epic bridges and present the right face... without going insane for long enough 574616;1395505487;Ghaleon;this community is doing an awesomejob 574617;1395505495;Ghaleon;your letter to sec was an example of that 574618;1395505506;Ghaleon;respectable, legally sound, defiant.. yet friendly 574619;1395505508;mircea_popescu;but im the elitist asshole to end all elitist assholes. 574620;1395505511;Ghaleon;people can look up to that 574621;1395505520;Ghaleon;join the club brah 574622;1395505524;mircea_popescu;lol 574623;1395505557;mircea_popescu;i suppose "leet jerk" 8======D "elitist asshole" 574624;1395505567;mircea_popescu;and by that penis i have represented a proper equality. 574625;1395505575;Ghaleon;lolz 574626;1395505587;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 48 @ 0.62805964 = 30.1469 BTC [+] {11} 574627;1395505608;asciilifeform;|===D - sapper's shovel? 574628;1395505619;Ghaleon;we had a great article about bit coin archetypes before 574629;1395505644;Ghaleon;bit coins greatest value is that it is getting people to ask "what is money really" ? 574630;1395505652;Ghaleon;henry Ford's vision is coming to pass 574631;1395505667;Ghaleon;as things move forward we will be able to ask "how do people use money really?" 574632;1395505675;Ghaleon;and get an answer thanks to the blockchain 574633;1395505709;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.63 = 10.08 BTC [+] 574634;1395505740;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2014#514471 in loving reference to that 574635;1395505770;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00598292 = 0.3829 BTC [-] {5} 574636;1395505774;Ghaleon;i have a feeling that carl jung's archetypal mode.. a consdesnded version will give the right person a keen edge going forward 574637;1395505836;mircea_popescu;"Gilliams received $4 million from Morfopoulous and $1 million from another investor for investment in the STRIPS program. As evidence that the funds were so invested, Gilliams created a screenshot from Bloomberg Finance showing $1 million worth of U.S. Treasury STRIPS, which Gilliams represented was proof that he had purchased Treasury STRIPS. A screenshot? He must have been in the virtual office that day. A 574638;1395505836;mircea_popescu;screen shot is not a confirmation. And nobody investing foundation funds should think it is." 574639;1395505871;mircea_popescu;" He also generated a document, which he supplied to a representative of the investors, in which he purported to show a series of $5 million trades, as well as over $100,000 in purported profits on trades during September and October 2010, [but] this document was false. Anyone can generate a professional looking document on their computer." 574640;1395505883;mircea_popescu;Gilliams lives an extravagant lifestyle, much of which is depicted in videos filmed by videographers he hired to follow him around. The videos appear on TLG TV, which purports to be some sort of reality TV show starring him. A host of such videos still remain on YouTube, although some were deleted from Vimeo. One such video apparently depicted Gillaims posing with stacks of money on his lap. 574641;1395505890;mircea_popescu;apparently they didn't have lambos in fiat yet. 574642;1395505926;mircea_popescu;(for the rap fans among us : this is some friend of p. diddy's) 574643;1395505930;asciilifeform;no shortage of trambos though. 574644;1395505938;asciilifeform;(trabambos?) 574645;1395505988;mircea_popescu;tra' bimbos! 574646;1395506014;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00594301 = 0.1189 BTC [-] {2} 574647;1395506016;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63011 = 1.2602 BTC [+] 574648;1395506258;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07589959 = 0.3036 BTC [+] 574649;1395506441;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07589959 = 0.4554 BTC [+] {2} 574650;1395506624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07589958 = 0.2277 BTC [-] 574651;1395507051;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00094254 = 2.8276 BTC [-] 574652;1395507295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00307001 = 0.1535 BTC [-] {4} 574653;1395507396;benkay;good morning! 574654;1395507417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 178 @ 0.00555884 = 0.9895 BTC [+] {2} 574655;1395507565;mircea_popescu;http://www.kdnuggets.com/2014/03/how-deep-learning-analytics-mimic-mind.html 574656;1395507566;ozbot;How Deep Learning Analytics Mimic the Mind 574657;1395507570;mircea_popescu;heh. 574658;1395507722;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.0726 = 2.178 BTC [-] {2} 574659;1395507953;mircea_popescu;Arden Elizabeth @ArdenEliz The Future of Self-Improvement, Part I: Grit Is More Important Than Talent (link) 574660;1395507953;mircea_popescu;Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu RT @ArdenEliz The Future of Self-Satisfaction, Part I: Girth Is More Important Than ta Length (link) 574661;1395507973;mircea_popescu;i wonder if she takes it well. 574662;1395508115;benkay;re chetty's zerohedge sanction link "Carney...said. 'I wouldn't, if I were you, invest in Russian equities right now, unless you're going short.'". << is this the great mechanisms of war ratcheting one step further? is the US seriously biting off an economic war with Russia? 574663;1395508418;chetty;benkay, it sure looks like an economic war is a brewing. It will crash the whole world economy if they keep it up 574664;1395508498;asciilifeform;'for many years, most artificial neural network research was focused on networks with a single layer of processing.' wat. !111?111! 574665;1395508530;asciilifeform;http://www.csulb.edu/~cwallis/artificialn/History.htm 574666;1395508565;asciilifeform;minksy & papert showed that single-layer NN cannot even learn 'XOR'. this touched off the first 'ai winter.' 574667;1395508570;asciilifeform;i thought everyone knew this. 574668;1395508574;ThickAsThieves;http://www.fincen.gov/news_room/speech/pdf/20140318.pdf 574669;1395508576;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00094278 = 5.421 BTC [+] 574670;1395508597;ThickAsThieves;http://i.imgur.com/AQTiDmB.jpg 574671;1395508681;asciilifeform;(it's a freshman homework-level proof incidentally) 574672;1395508684;ThickAsThieves;http://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Pages/jl236.aspx 574673;1395508685;ozbot;Untitled 1 574674;1395508761;asciilifeform;incidentally, my first exposure to the problem of RNGs with inadequate entropy was by accident, at uni 574675;1395508780;asciilifeform;we had a homework of evolving (genetic algo) - rather than, as usually done, 'training' a small NN 574676;1395508797;asciilifeform;to solve very simple arithmetic problems 574677;1395508840;asciilifeform;when using '/dev/random' rng (of the time) the bugger took several hours to converge 574678;1395508870;asciilifeform;but when using a turd downloaded from ? (was it lavarand? or john walker's geiger? wish i remembered) it took minutes. 574679;1395508881;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32984 @ 0.0009431 = 31.1072 BTC [+] {3} 574680;1395508937;asciilifeform;if you don't adequately 'massage' the state space, you get miserable evolution. 574681;1395508942;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 522 @ 0.00307122 = 1.6032 BTC [-] {7} 574682;1395509125;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00305318 = 3.0532 BTC [-] {9} 574683;1395509143;bounce;so god's grace is in the quality of your RNG? 574684;1395509168;asciilifeform;nothing mystical about it. poor rng, for the application described above, is like watered gasoline 574685;1395509175;asciilifeform;objectively poor performance. 574686;1395509185;asciilifeform;note that this anecdote had nothing to do with cryptography. 574687;1395509196;asciilifeform;(the usual place where people concern themselves with rng quality) 574688;1395509209;asciilifeform;(the other being - gambling) 574689;1395509246;asciilifeform;a shoddy rng ends up 'dwelling' in some portions of the state space 574690;1395509369;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0589876 = 0.118 BTC [-] {2} 574691;1395509499;asciilifeform;re: NNs: their present-day niche obscurity is well-deserved. try using it for any application with regular novel inputs, and notice how it 'forgets.' 574692;1395509514;decimation;asciilifeform you mentioned in the past that you did not care for mechanical hard drives. Does this mean you put a flash drive in your Libretto? 574693;1395509523;asciilifeform;(recognition problems with fixed sets, like OCR, work great) 574694;1395509529;asciilifeform;decimation: as a matter of fact, i did. 574695;1395509542;decimation;how did you adapt to the ancient ide connectors? 574696;1395509598;asciilifeform;decimation: you can get PATA SSD drives. 574697;1395509616;decimation;for a premium, as I recall :) 574698;1395509677;decimation;I like your idea of underprovisioning the drive to leave room for bad flash cells 574699;1395509679;asciilifeform;decimation: i used a 'Transcend' TS64GPSD330. <$100 at the time. 574700;1395509690;bounce;or a pata<->cf converter 574701;1395509692;decimation;I guess capacity isn't an issue here really 574702;1395509695;asciilifeform;no room for converter 574703;1395509699;decimation;right 574704;1395509702;asciilifeform;if you have a libretto, the drive has to fit. exactly. 574705;1395509718;decimation;as is the case with most laptops 574706;1395509735;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24271 @ 0.00094235 = 22.8718 BTC [-] {4} 574707;1395509735;asciilifeform;libretto has the least slack space in the bay of any machine of that period that i've owned. 574708;1395509770;asciilifeform;back in the day, i found that not one of three different pata<->cf cards would fit. 574709;1395509789;decimation;that's surprising 574710;1395509796;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63499998 BTC [+] 574711;1395509814;decimation;I wish there were an ssd available that let you examine its innards 574712;1395509816;asciilifeform;most of them have cheap through-hole solder jobs and protrude almost 1mm 574713;1395509831;asciilifeform;decimation: most of them disassemble just fine 574714;1395509841;decimation;no, I mean the firmware 574715;1395509844;asciilifeform;ah 574716;1395509864;asciilifeform;i dumped 'intel' and 'samsung's ssd fw. ida eats it up like a champ. 574717;1395509865;decimation;but now that you mention it, they would be a good place to find cheap flash chips 574718;1395509881;decimation;heh 574719;1395509888;asciilifeform;a little tricky to make sense of what goes on inside, given undocumented regs a-plenty 574720;1395509919;decimation;what cpu does it use? 8051? 574721;1395509922;asciilifeform;one was an 'arm' variant, the other, a big-endian mips with a couple of custom cores, if i recall 574722;1395509923;BCB;mircea_popescu, did Gilliams list on mpex 574723;1395509926;asciilifeform;forget which was which 574724;1395509946;decimation;bunnie has a whole post on hacking SD cards 574725;1395509947;decimation;http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3554 574726;1395509948;ozbot;On Hacking MicroSD Cards « bunnie's blog 574727;1395509964;asciilifeform;there was also a fellow who booted linux kernel on the controllers of dead hdds recently 574728;1395509971;decimation;lol 574729;1395509986;asciilifeform;i experimented with this myself a few yrs ago, but life got in the way 574730;1395509996;decimation;the microcontroller on board is basically free 574731;1395510006;asciilifeform;('the bad dancer is hindered by his arse.' kudos to the kid) 574732;1395510120;decimation;I was speaking to a greybeard EE last night. He lamented that most compE kids coming out of school want to put a high-end media CPU on embedded projects so they can run java or something stupid 574733;1395510135;decimation;thus making most of the cost of the development for these things go to firmware 574734;1395510159;asciilifeform;this wouldn't even be such a problem if it actually worked 574735;1395510165;mircea_popescu;BCB no ? 574736;1395510178;asciilifeform;but try getting a sharp 100kHz wave, for instance, out of a 'micro' running java 574737;1395510179;benkay;"Those concerned about e-waste may (or may not) be pleased to know that it’s also common for vendors to use recycled flash chips salvaged from discarded parts." 574738;1395510184;asciilifeform;(by toggling pins) 574739;1395510207;asciilifeform;'eat recycled food. it's good for the environment, and ok for you!' 574740;1395510209;decimation;heh exactly 574741;1395510219;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the guys are retards of prime order, which is why i quoted it. 574742;1395510229;decimation;Or get weeks of battery life out of a lithium cell 574743;1395510263;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves is that dope ? 574744;1395510340;asciilifeform;re: the dope: simply owning the 'pill press' required to stamp the pictured items is quasi-illegal in usa 574745;1395510345;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63499998 BTC [+] 574746;1395510350;asciilifeform;unless you're a 'registered' whatever 574747;1395510367;mircea_popescu;bounce the thing is, evolution algo looks for fine little hairs on things. bad rng adds hairs of its own. it's as if you'd be having two species fighting it out. often enough the one you're interested in gets overwhelmed 574748;1395510382;asciilifeform;(ianal, but if i recall, it's not actually illegal, but was ruled 'probable cause' for police search) 574749;1395510413;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nn, "expert systems" and other prime snake oil has long been the substance used to maks government graft. 574750;1395510466;asciilifeform;this is a well-known fact. the 'ai winters' were merely the flip sides of 'ai summers', bacchanalia of graft of every variety 574751;1395510500;decimation;of course, NN do work as ascii pointed out 574752;1395510510;asciilifeform;see, for instance, this: 574753;1395510511;asciilifeform;http://thedailywtf.com/Comments/Thinking-Machines.aspx?pg=3#194568 574754;1395510511;decimation;just not against problems of the "I don't know what I want" variety 574755;1395510512;ozbot;Thinking Machines - The Daily WTF 574756;1395510525;asciilifeform;'Yes, our office was magnificent and yes, a gourmet chef and her entourage came in every day to cook our lunch. The meals were awesome.' 574757;1395510551;asciilifeform;http://www.inc.com/magazine/19950915/2622_Printer_Friendly.html 574758;1395510552;ozbot;The Rise and Fall of Thinking Machines, Bankruptcy Article | Inc.com 574759;1395510558;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform freer people would make home candy in the pattern and distribute it to neighbourhood kids. 574760;1395510583;asciilifeform;re: thinking machines, see mp's 'tin woman' essay. 574761;1395510597;mircea_popescu;decimation asciilifeform also point out that even a broom shoots once. 574762;1395510606;mircea_popescu;sure they work. not for everything all the time. 574763;1395510620;bounce;"hairs of its own"... well, that sort-of works. my understanding was more along the lines of bad RNGs have higher risk of getting stuck in local minima, but anyway. nothing like having and obscure joke get dissected to death. 574764;1395510620;asciilifeform;this particular broom actually fires small-caliber quite well. in every OCR app, for example. 574765;1395510643;mircea_popescu;bounce i suspect the statements are homologuous. 574766;1395510651;bounce;could be 574767;1395510653;decimation;as for e-waste: http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/semiconductors/devices/us-bill-would-fight-chip-counterfeiting 574768;1395510662;decimation;" According to a press release from the Semiconductor Industry Association (SIA), until 2008, the CBP would snap pictures of the trademarks and other info on suspected counterfeit chips and send the images to semiconductor firms for verification. That stopped with when the Department of Homeland Security implemented a new security policy." 574769;1395510682;decimation;Because actually inspecting things would violate the rights of the grey-market importers 574770;1395510686;asciilifeform;decimation: did you see the recent incident with Fluke Corp. ? 574771;1395510687;mircea_popescu;heh 574772;1395510700;decimation;or, to be more precise, hiring and paying competent inspectors is a bridge too far for USG 574773;1395510715;decimation;no I didn't, what happened? 574774;1395510738;asciilifeform;https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1428 574775;1395510740;ozbot;Fluke, we love you but you're killing us. - News - SparkFun Electronics 574776;1395510769;decimation;did you ever wonder how many TSA agents could identify diddled electronics with their xray machines? 574777;1395510774;asciilifeform;tldr - fluke corp. has a trademark on... yellow voltmeters. chinese shipment of yellow voltmeters held up at customs, burned. 574778;1395510833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00094421 = 23.5108 BTC [+] {3} 574779;1395510834;asciilifeform;the next day, they 'apologized' by... supplying a crate of free fluke meters to the victim 574780;1395510842;asciilifeform;and saying 'we're not the least bit sorry and shall do it again always' 574781;1395510860;decimation;so, in the land of the free, the USG has granted a monopoly on yellow DMM's and then began enforcing the monopoly using taxpayer funds. 574782;1395510875;mircea_popescu;gotta support the team. 574783;1395510882;asciilifeform;there is really no qualitative difference between this and every other 'ip' enforcement action. 574784;1395510890;decimation;Except, that's exactly what happened with the boston tea party 574785;1395510915;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fowd29dOyh0 574786;1395510915;ozbot;Puddy Paints His Face [Seinfeld] - YouTube 574787;1395510917;asciilifeform;now, for those who do not know, fluke is one of those remaining outfits that... builds things in usa 574788;1395510948;asciilifeform;traditionally, if you wanted an 'adult' measurement instrument (multimeter, oscilloscope, etc) you got a fluke or hp (now 'agilent') 574789;1395510953;asciilifeform;or suffered with chinese crap 574790;1395510965;asciilifeform;but now, the chinese instruments are quite usable 574791;1395510978;asciilifeform;and you can even get calibration certificates for them, for some extra cost 574792;1395510997;decimation;yeah I have noticed a trend here with a variety of electronic products 574793;1395510998;asciilifeform;fluke, naturally, 'will not go quietly into the good night' 574794;1395511023;decimation;yeah, but making lame patents isn't going to win in the end 574795;1395511056;asciilifeform;i doubt that anyone at fluke likes to think about 'the end' 574796;1395511074;asciilifeform;this incident showed all the symptoms of 'bite of the cornered beast.' 574797;1395511075;mircea_popescu;decimation why not ? 574798;1395511126;decimation;well, in this specific case, I think it will be impossible to create a ring of patents that will stop the mongol hordes 574799;1395511144;asciilifeform;note that this wasn't even a patent case 574800;1395511147;decimation;It's always going to be more expensive to pay lawyers than to develop a patent-evading version of a device 574801;1395511151;asciilifeform;trademark. on yellow plastic. 574802;1395511189;decimation;that makes it even more lame 574803;1395511204;mircea_popescu;you familiar with the concept of invincible ignorance ? 574804;1395511214;mircea_popescu;stuffing hands in ears and yelling works "indefinitely". 574805;1395511236;decimation;well, in the specific case of high-end test equipment, most buyers are not going to be easily swayed by bs 574806;1395511251;decimation;if they can halve their costs, anyway 574807;1395511254;mircea_popescu;but there's going to be a corner somehwere the retarded kids gather 574808;1395511261;decimation;indeed 574809;1395511262;mircea_popescu;and talk among each other about how "putin is living in a different world" 574810;1395511265;asciilifeform;the other notable thing was that this was an ultra-low-end product 574811;1395511267;decimation;they are going to get stem degrees 574812;1395511275;mircea_popescu;if you ask its citizenry, the us south still lives. 574813;1395511276;decimation;http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/03/the-myth-of-the-science-and-engineering-shortage/284359/ 574814;1395511276;ozbot;The Myth of the Science and Engineering Shortage - Michael S. Teitelbaum - The Atlantic 574815;1395511284;bounce;loved $article about shenzen though. made me wish for actual EE skill. 574816;1395511299;decimation;Even in electrical and electronic engineering?an occupation that is right at the heart of high-tech innovation but that also has been heavily outsourced abroad?U.S. employment in 2013 declined to about 300,000, down 35,000 and over 10 percent, from 2012, and down from about 385,000 in 2002. Unemployment rates for electrical engineers rose to a surprisingly high 4.8 percent in 2013. 574817;1395511313;mircea_popescu;lol 574818;1395511318;decimation;what do you say about a "superpower" that can barely employ 300,000 EE's 574819;1395511327;mircea_popescu;it can employ an infinity of them 574820;1395511341;mircea_popescu;but it can't turn 100mn ghetto kids into more than 300k passible ee's 574821;1395511347;mircea_popescu;and about 50mn paralegals of all types. 574822;1395511349;asciilifeform;there is a 'gresham's law' / 'lemon car effect' at work with the EEs 574823;1395511365;decimation;that's true 574824;1395511381;decimation;asian countries will subsidize them to the hilt 574825;1395511382;mircea_popescu;afaik actualy us-citizen ee's vs total ee's have a worse salary problem than women/men in non-government, actually productive jobs do. 574826;1395511385;decimation;the talent moves there 574827;1395511418;asciilifeform;some months ago, i spoke with an EE prof (consultation) at a major american uni 574828;1395511442;asciilifeform;his several dozen grad students - not one could write a simple program for an embedded cpu. 574829;1395511456;mircea_popescu;that's not even the worst part. 574830;1395511459;decimation;that's sad 574831;1395511465;mircea_popescu;he couldn'rt force them to work webcams naked for a month is the worst part. 574832;1395511466;asciilifeform;and these people get Ph.D and 'graduate' 574833;1395511481;asciilifeform;9 out of 10 india/china 574834;1395511490;mircea_popescu;;;google mit battery 574835;1395511491;gribble;Batteries - MIT News Office: <http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/topic/batteries.html>; Liquid Metal Batteries - Group Sadoway: <http://sadoway.mit.edu/research/liquid-metal-batteries>; Better batteries through biology? - MIT News Office: <http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2013/better-batteries-through-biology-1113.html> 574836;1395511495;asciilifeform;yes, and this. 574837;1395511500;mircea_popescu;obligatory link to that being, of course, 574838;1395511508;decimation;my experience as us undergrad EE about 10 years ago 574839;1395511509;asciilifeform;but it had the angle of pillorying american undergrads at posh unis 574840;1395511511;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ 574841;1395511511;ozbot;MIT graduates cannot power a light bulb with a battery. - YouTube 574842;1395511516;decimation;1/3 chinese, 1/3 indian, 1/3 white males 574843;1395511535;mircea_popescu;"we are the premier engineer and science institution in teh werld" 574844;1395511540;decimation;grad department (and profs) 80% chinese/indian 574845;1395511543;mircea_popescu;guy looks like a fucking shaving cream model. 574846;1395511554;asciilifeform;there's two separate diseases at work 574847;1395511573;mircea_popescu;at least, yeah/ 574848;1395511578;asciilifeform;the american kids can't xxxx because, well, american schooling, 'diversity', etc. the eastern kids, they, in principle, could 574849;1395511585;asciilifeform;but won't. because 'i can lift it off the net' 574850;1395511614;mircea_popescu;im not sure that's a bad thing 574851;1395511625;asciilifeform;it is in practice almost always a bad thing 574852;1395511636;mircea_popescu;only absent superivision. 574853;1395511637;asciilifeform;not for 'religious' reasons, but practical ones 574854;1395511638;decimation;wrt embedded stuff "lifting off the net" never works well 574855;1395511673;benkay;all americans are lacking supervision, though. 574856;1395511676;asciilifeform;with the trend for centralization (everybody but a few weirdos runs 'arm' chips, compiles c/cpp) it 'works' 574857;1395511680;asciilifeform;for a while, at least. 574858;1395511692;mircea_popescu;see, if the context is, "be able to power bulb with battery on request or spend the next month poledancing in mumbai" 574859;1395511700;mircea_popescu;it no longer matters what the kid is lifting off net. 574860;1395511700;decimation;well, as long as the asians keep shipping those parts 574861;1395511754;decimation;to be an American today is to put your head deep in the lion's mouth, on the understanding that he won't bite 574862;1395511754;mircea_popescu;decimation indefinitely extensible. "be able to also design the battery" 574863;1395511766;mircea_popescu;wrong lion, wrong mouth tho 574864;1395511786;decimation;yeah you make a good point 574865;1395511812;decimation;at some point the bills will come due. It's hard to see how the US is going to add much value to anything with only 300k EEs 574866;1395511828;mircea_popescu;you know the refuge of dying empires 574867;1395511835;mircea_popescu;they're doing a lot of scholastics. 574868;1395511840;asciilifeform;i'm certainly not the first to describe this, but u.s. education system 'bit-shifted'. i.e. 'college is the new high school', and thereby it follows that 'phd is the new college' 574869;1395511846;mircea_popescu;"we are adding the TRUE value to everything through teh social media" 574870;1395511858;asciilifeform;so in that light, phd students who crib buggy code from stackoverflow and pass it off as a thesis are unsurprising. 574871;1395511875;benkay;i wish i'd had an education in the classic sense. 574872;1395511886;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform vaugely reminiscent of all the chinese administrative reorganisations 574873;1395511899;benkay;old books, hard problems, canings, etc. 574874;1395511902;mircea_popescu;basically the chinese ran all the middle ages on a sort of govt-sponsored us university program 574875;1395511905;bounce;nothing for it but give yourself one, even if N years late. 574876;1395511921;mircea_popescu;i'm with the b's. both of em. 574877;1395511927;asciilifeform;more or less this. 574878;1395511931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07270143 = 1.0905 BTC [+] {3} 574879;1395511956;asciilifeform;if you never learned the skill of inflicting pain on yourself, it might be hard to start though 574880;1395511970;asciilifeform;perhaps there was a reason for the yoga bed of nails. 574881;1395512011;mircea_popescu;get a mistress. 574882;1395512022;decimation;even "biotech" is just a bunch of bs 574883;1395512026;decimation;from the article: Surprisingly, some of the largest and most heavily financed scientific fields, such as biomedical research, are among those with the least attractive career prospects, as a recent blue-ribbon advisory committee reported to the Director of the National Institutes of Health. " 574884;1395512035;mircea_popescu;i dun believe much in this masturbatory pain thing 574885;1395512042;asciilifeform;;;google phillip greenspun women computing 574886;1395512043;gribble;Women in Computing - Philip Greenspun: <http://philip.greenspun.com/careers/acm-women-in-computing>; Women in Science - Philip Greenspun: <http://philip.greenspun.com/careers/women-in-science>; Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Women and computer programmers: <http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2011/03/18/women-and-computer-programmers/> 574887;1395512059;asciilifeform;2nd link is it. 574888;1395512077;asciilifeform;(this is not really about women, but about american academia) 574889;1395512082;decimation;yeah that's a good article 574890;1395512084;mircea_popescu;i recall that articxle. 574891;1395512094;asciilifeform;'Does this make sense as a career for anyone? Absolutely! Just get out your atlas.' 574892;1395512116;mircea_popescu;i hate greenspun for having deleted his original discussion of his adventures with "expert vcs" 574893;1395512119;mircea_popescu;greylock and co 574894;1395512122;benkay;bounce: that's what i'm working on. -assets has been an intellectual godsend. 574895;1395512151;benkay;in other news, my user group got kicked from our corporate sponsor's shop next month for a "women in tech event" 574896;1395512166;mircea_popescu;benkay https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=525676.0 there's one jus' for you then :D 574897;1395512169;benkay;"great!" i said to the desk operator responsible for scheduling things while I seethed internally. 574898;1395512245;asciilifeform;'The first round of layoffs had started. Salaries were frozen. Requests for new laptop computers were being denied. Meanwhile, Handler had an enormous marble archway installed in the atrium of the Carter Ink Building. When a national supercomputer conference was held in Seattle, she decided to stay in San Francisco and commute to Seattle from the swank Stanford Court Hotel. She commissioned a $40,000 logo desig 574899;1395512245;asciilifeform;n for a CM-5 sweatshirt and then rejected it. While the company was sinking, she focused her attention on putting out a cookbook with recipes from the company's now-infamous cafeteria. Increasingly paranoid, she had a video camera aimed at her personal parking spot and, by some accounts, made people take meetings with her in her parked car. She hired a bodyguard, telling her colleagues that she had received dea 574900;1395512245;asciilifeform;th threats. Some members of Thinking Machines' board suddenly seemed to realize that the person who had been running the company all those years had no business skills. The board discussed dumping Handler, but she managed to get her biggest enemies there kicked off.' 574901;1395512259;asciilifeform;(from the 'thinking machines' obituary) 574902;1395512260;the20year1;nice 574903;1395512299;benkay;mircea_popescu: you're not paying me to spend any time at that domain i don't think 574904;1395512316;mircea_popescu;im sure i don't. 574905;1395512355;benkay;so let 'em rot. 574906;1395512374;asciilifeform;benkay: re: 'w. in comp.' - the maggots on the corpse, are not the murder weapon. 574907;1395512385;mircea_popescu;^ 574908;1395512390;mircea_popescu;aptly put. 574909;1395512392;decimation;at least Mr. Cray had the good sense to die in a car accident 574910;1395512402;asciilifeform;for instance: 574911;1395512417;asciilifeform;the uni where i studied 'comp sci' has abolished many of the hardest items in the syllabus (or made them optional) 574912;1395512449;asciilifeform;i visited recently, to hear a talk, and noticed more girls in one classroom than there ever were in the whole bldg. 574913;1395512461;mircea_popescu;i had a friend. he was a touch paranoid, so he ended up carrying a bodyguard with him everywhere, in spite of living in a controlled town 574914;1395512465;asciilifeform;but i don't blame them for the decline 574915;1395512482;mircea_popescu;(1994-2004 a 300k pop town had exactly 0 murders) 574916;1395512509;mircea_popescu;eventually he got an electyed position, which gave him a driver. 574917;1395512512;asciilifeform;'controlled' as in, say, Chelyabinsk-40 ? 574918;1395512526;mircea_popescu;he hated being driven around, so his car arrangement consisted of him driving two people about, who had nothing to do. 574919;1395512541;mircea_popescu;eventually he died, in a car crash, rushing home tired etc. 574920;1395512557;mircea_popescu;i wanted the obituary to read "at least he had his bodyguard with him" but people thought it's too soon. 574921;1395512604;asciilifeform;people love stories like this ('mighty hero dies of paper cut') 574922;1395512610;asciilifeform;e.g. alexander 574923;1395512677;decimation;yeah perhaps it is still too early for my dark Seymour Cray joke. He was a giant amoung elves 574924;1395512745;mircea_popescu;anyway, check out benkay ascetically depriving himself of internet lulz. 574925;1395512745;decimation;http://www.computer.org/portal/web/awards/seymourbio ?Anyone can build a fast CPU. The trick is to build a fast system.? 574926;1395512746;ozbot;Seymour Cray Biography 574927;1395512754;mircea_popescu;the path to pain starts with but a single step! 574928;1395512820;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Always interesting to see your stats 574929;1395512893;benkay;internet lulz are cheap, mircea_popescu. 574930;1395512911;benkay;and those aren't even terribly lulzy! 574931;1395512921;benkay;pantagruel and gargantua is more entertaining than btctalk.org 574932;1395512950;benkay;Wooster and Jeeves being far more entertaining on basically every metric. 574933;1395512958;benkay;written by professionals, acted by professionals... 574934;1395513092;mircea_popescu;ineed. 574935;1395513110;bounce;I say. In the spirit of expensive lulz, wish I had the spare change to buy up cray and move their headquarters to 4 2nd inf loop 574936;1395513406;asciilifeform;cray was a titan 574937;1395513415;asciilifeform;invented (among a hundred other things) 'pipelining' 574938;1395513526;the20year1;without him we wouldn't have the last starfighter 574939;1395513536;asciilifeform;as someone who personally had occasion to deal with problems that are not amenable to '1024 chickens,' i miss cray 574940;1395513883;asciilifeform;who doesn't know the old, unofficial and very alliterative slogan of the (traditional) nsa - 'acres of crays' 574941;1395513946;asciilifeform;some of the (officially released, not leaked) papers of the latter reveal that crap corp. was 'bailed out' as a 'national seekoority' matter 574942;1395513954;asciilifeform;*cray corp 574943;1395513956;asciilifeform;damn 574944;1395514003;asciilifeform;sad thing is, they sell 'chickens' now. 574945;1395514007;asciilifeform;like everybody else. 574946;1395514107;asciilifeform;(x86-64) 574947;1395514181;asciilifeform;perhaps if cray were alive, you could buy 'fpga' the size of a billboard... 574948;1395514233;mircea_popescu;im bashing the crap corp 574949;1395514240;asciilifeform;lol 574950;1395514252;asciilifeform;fingers have will of their own. 574951;1395514661;ThickAsThieves;<mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves is that dope ? /// is what what now? 574952;1395514718;mircea_popescu;some round small shits in a pic you linked 574953;1395514729;ThickAsThieves;oh, I assume so 574954;1395514738;ThickAsThieves;who knows, kids these days 574955;1395514740;mircea_popescu;racist. 574956;1395514751;ThickAsThieves;I;m writing my first blog 574957;1395514757;the20year1;yay 574958;1395514761;ThickAsThieves;having trouble keeping it short 574959;1395514764;ThickAsThieves;oh well 574960;1395514818;mircea_popescu;http://www.jdsupra.com/post/documentViewer.aspx?fid=54539da2-994e-43b5-b271-19fbb7e723e3 574961;1395514819;ozbot;Markopolos Letter to the SEC about Madoff | Doug Cornelius - JDSupra 574962;1395514830;mircea_popescu;if anyones curious to read fiat mpoe-pr cca 2005 574963;1395514839;mircea_popescu;(of course, the guy was ignored. by the sec and everyone else on the fiat-forums) 574964;1395514905;ThickAsThieves;i started this writing thinking i wouldnt be a hipster and use footnotes 574965;1395514908;ThickAsThieves;i was wrong 574966;1395514946;mircea_popescu;there's a reason footnotes survived three empires. 574967;1395515541;mircea_popescu;"Yeah I am just messing with your minds and have no actual technical ability. But maybe someone does who is reading my points and maybe they will do something. I am hoping. You see I don't really care how we get the solution, as long as we get one. I am not the young productive programmer that I once was with two good eyes (not very productive since losing one eye and acquiring an apparently progressive, incurable peri 574968;1395515541;mircea_popescu;pheral neuropathy auto-immune condition caused by an incurable STD which is also morphing into neuropathy every where not just peripheral and causes me chronic fatigue syndrome which causes frequent deliriousness+pain which makes it easier for me to write in a forum than to do the more intellectually sharp+focused work of actual programming... I only get opportunities to program depending on my body maybe every few day 574969;1395515544;mircea_popescu;s I get a good day). 574970;1395515546;mircea_popescu;Neuropathy is unpredictable. One minute I am doing fine, the next my face aches, tinnitus (motor in my ear), then suddenly my abdomen, then feet, then can't swallow and have a "fear of imminent suffocation" anxiety attack, feeling that my stomach wants to exit my body, etc.." 574971;1395515560;mircea_popescu;why is it that bitcoin attracts all the weirdos and assorted cruft refused everywhere 574972;1395515575;mircea_popescu;what are we supposed to do, erect columbia's statue on riker's island over here ?! 574973;1395515591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6334999 BTC [-] 574974;1395515957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17166 @ 0.00094503 = 16.2224 BTC [+] {3} 574975;1395516018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7034 @ 0.00094618 = 6.6554 BTC [+] 574976;1395516240;jurov;mircea_popescu: if they accepted me at ibm, maybe i won't be here, too 574977;1395516290;jurov;what i heard ibm job is much cozier than getting worried for several months if that coinbr contraption is actually gonna fed you someday 574978;1395516293;mircea_popescu;but in the sense of accident "i'd have been to busy to hear of bitcoin" or in the sense of stupidity ? 574979;1395516316;jurov;not stupidity, just choosing easier path 574980;1395516338;mircea_popescu;how shall i put this in better terms. 574981;1395516351;jurov;but ibm had no part-time position for me, so i said fuck you. i'll try freelancing 574982;1395516383;mircea_popescu;well but wait. 574983;1395516405;mircea_popescu;here's the difference : suppose a guy is a carpenter, and he goes to new york. there's no jobs there, so he goes to oregon and makes himself a cabin. 574984;1395516407;mircea_popescu;that's type one. 574985;1395516426;mircea_popescu;suppose there's a guy with no profession. he loiters a while in new york but eventually all the beat cops know him so he goes to oregon 574986;1395516435;mircea_popescu;and he loiters there for a while, not as disturbed. 574987;1395516438;mircea_popescu;that's type two. 574988;1395516447;mircea_popescu;now you telling me there's no difference you see here ? 574989;1395516502;jurov;i'm just telling you why i think non-cruft fails to be attracted to bitcoin 574990;1395516519;mircea_popescu;greenspun's 4th, linked earlier hehe 574991;1395516528;mircea_popescu;"This article explores this fourth possible explanation for the dearth of women in science: They found better jobs." 574992;1395516530;jurov;cannot say anything about the cruft group 574993;1395517210;jurov;i see surprisingly large part of intellingent people (in sense they can get easily over-average salary) trapped in conspirational mindset 574994;1395517224;jurov;to them bitcoin looks like another conspiration, i spose 574995;1395517340;mircea_popescu;gotta pierce that veil. 574996;1395517360;mircea_popescu;i've had it up to here with in-their-mind slick fucks trying to turn bitcoin into some sort of corporate sales management device. 574997;1395517374;mircea_popescu;not that they're hard to crush individually, but there's a fucking pipe of them. 574998;1395517508;mircea_popescu;Part of the answer may be that young people fail to appreciate the risk that they will become more like old people when they are old. The young person sees the old tenured academic, ignored by his younger colleagues in a culture that values hot new ideas, sign up to be on committees. The youngster never asks "This oldster has tenure. He draws the same salary regardless of whether he sits through those interminable bori 574999;1395517508;mircea_popescu;ng committee meetings. Why would he agree to do it? Why wouldn't he rather be playing squash, riding a horse, flying an aircraft, walking his dog, etc.?" The distressing possibility that the oldster agreed to be on the committee so that he would have a venue in which people would listen to him does not occur to the youngster. 575000;1395517509;mircea_popescu;epic. 575001;1395517769;benkay;mircea_popescu: regarding weirdos and cruft - is not everyone else busy running their businesses, tending to their mistresses etc? 575002;1395517784;Dimsler;lol 575003;1395517793;decimation;well, academia has been transformed into bureaucratic employment 575004;1395517793;Dimsler;bitcoin = pyramid scheme 575005;1395517795;Dimsler;at this point 575006;1395517806;mircea_popescu;you'd have to be an idiot to structure your business (and especially mistress!) so that you tend to them. 575007;1395517812;kakobrekla;no, its a triangle of opportunity 575008;1395517813;mircea_popescu;they should tend to you. 575009;1395517824;benkay;wait how does the business tend to you? 575010;1395517824;decimation;what's the difference between the gentleman sitting on a porch waiting for a welfare check and a professor sitting in a committee waiting for a tenure check? 575011;1395517846;mircea_popescu;for instance by producing ready resources (cash flow, but not just) in disproportion to your actual effort 575012;1395517846;benkay;mistresses i get, mircea_popescu but the business? does it not take ongoing tweaking and leadership? 575013;1395517861;mircea_popescu;if you want bread, and i want bread, and you spend an hour and make a loaf 575014;1395517869;mircea_popescu;and i spend an hour and make forty-nine and a half loaves 575015;1395517878;mircea_popescu;i'd say my business tended to me worth 48 loaves and change. 575016;1395517921;benkay;ah. 575017;1395518018;mircea_popescu;decimation but i suspect pg's point stands from a time before that. 575018;1395518089;decimation;certainly those who desire attention would be willing to pay to work as a teacher, actor, etc 575019;1395518094;mircea_popescu;now, obviously, training a new girl or starting a new business will be a net negative 575020;1395518119;mircea_popescu;but provided you're any good the end result is so far out of proportion to the original that your net negative becomes a rounding error. 575021;1395518275;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24650 @ 0.00094618 = 23.3233 BTC [+] 575022;1395518313;mircea_popescu;anyway, for balance, http://calvincorreli.com/2002/02/08/goodbye-arsdigita/ 575023;1395518379;benkay;ah sorry net negative? even after the time and energy pumped into the new girl or venture? 575024;1395518441;benkay;strikes me that at a certain point you come out ahead, dishes getting cleaned/loaves getting tendered. 575025;1395518462;mircea_popescu;reread eh. 575026;1395518474;decimation;?SAP is the best thing that ever happened to 575027;1395518475;decimation;computer people. It appeals to businesses that are too stupid to 575028;1395518477;decimation;understand and model their own processes but too rich to simply 575029;1395518478;decimation;continue relying on secretaries and file cabinets,? 575030;1395518480;decimation;lol 575031;1395518566;decimation;and why are they "too rich" to simply rely on secretaries and file cabinets? fiat loans, fiat bills, fiat life 575032;1395518648;mircea_popescu;you clearly haven't been in business in the old days. 575033;1395518674;mircea_popescu;the one affront an old lion could never forget, let alone forgive, would be hiring his secretary away. 575034;1395518702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 174 @ 0.00591526 = 1.0293 BTC [-] {13} 575035;1395518705;mircea_popescu;the reason is that do you have any idea what a spider monkey capable of navigating those filing cabinets is worth ? 575036;1395518731;mircea_popescu;to this day the most respected woman on a hospital floor is she who knows where the binder goes. 575037;1395518745;mircea_popescu;not she who can take out the pancreas, make a liver out of it and pluck it back in. 575038;1395518824;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.05897618 = 1.2385 BTC [-] {5} 575039;1395518825;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06200105 = 0.124 BTC [-] 575040;1395518874;mircea_popescu;anyway, let's do the world a favor here 575041;1395518877;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bugpowder http://philip.greenspun.com/careers/women-in-science 575042;1395518878;gribble;The operation succeeded. 575043;1395519007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0639314 = 0.1918 BTC [+] {3} 575044;1395519107;peterl;.bait 575045;1395519109;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/852d012f6af549de7e0f12f261d96b2d/tumblr_n0sd2mEtGE1rz1q6ko1_1280.jpg 575046;1395519130;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.631 = 1.262 BTC [-] {2} 575047;1395519183;ninjashogun;hi 575048;1395519187;ninjashogun;hi, mircea_popescu 575049;1395519190;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07589957 = 0.3795 BTC [+] {2} 575050;1395519256;decimation;yeah it's obvious to me that a good secretary is extremely valuable 575051;1395519304;decimation;the fact that she might spider through electronic rather than physical files changes nothing 575052;1395519377;mircea_popescu;you can write a good secretary for bash or perl if your records are digital. 575053;1395519390;mircea_popescu;analog dusted old binders are as of yet an unsolved problem 575054;1395519499;ninjashogun;the main reason is that when it takes a minute or to do something, you take more time with it. Same if thre's a physical good. It's why moleskine notebooks contain better diagrams and sketches than legal pads do. 575055;1395519617;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00571404 = 2.857 BTC [-] {10} 575056;1395519678;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1028 @ 0.00094618 = 0.9727 BTC [+] 575057;1395519739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.06148784 = 2.4595 BTC [+] {12} 575058;1395519757;mircea_popescu;benkay incidentally, this approach also illustrates what exactly the current "privilege" discussion spearheaded by the socialists is, and why exactly it is braindamaged. 575059;1395519772;mircea_popescu;"underserved" and "unearned" income are exactly the cornerstone of productive economic activity. 575060;1395519799;mircea_popescu;they are as much a part of life as hot water and kitchen appliances, and moreover prerequisite to both. 575061;1395519861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06449997 = 0.258 BTC [+] {4} 575062;1395520086;ThickAsThieves;mp, youve got pm 575063;1395520105;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.00453907 = 0.1135 BTC [+] {3} 575064;1395520287;decimation;the question is: who is getting the unearned income and for what reasons? 575065;1395520357;asciilifeform;always neglected is the question of wtf means 'earned.' i.e. the fellow who faithfully sits through traffic and warms a chair for 8hr/day moving paper from one pile to another, in the popular imagination, 'earns' something. 575066;1395520539;ninjashogun;hi, asciilifeform 575067;1395520593;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10826 @ 0.00094747 = 10.2573 BTC [+] 575068;1395520635;asciilifeform;hi ninjashogun 575069;1395520749;ninjashogun;I thought about some of the architectural things you point out re cardano. As a practical question, how do we determine the limits of risk compensation arguments? 575070;1395520776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07416684 = 0.445 BTC [-] {3} 575071;1395520779;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: care to explain? 575072;1395520783;ninjashogun;For example, it is doubtless true that people who use condoms will have sex in some situations (with unknown partners they're not really sure of) that they wouldn't otherwise. 575073;1395520792;ninjashogun;But I don't think the Risk Compensation argument is effective against condom use. 575074;1395520827;ninjashogun;(I mean, for example, in theory you can do a deep check on all of your partners and KNOW they have no STD's and also don't sleep with anyone else othre than you. Condom use lets you have some protection in cases where this isn't done.) 575075;1395520837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60251201 BTC [-] 575076;1395520860;ninjashogun;by deep check I mean you can get to know them deeply, even run medical tests, as well as trust their behavior on a deep level, as you do with your brothers and sisters for example. 575077;1395520905;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: steve jobs was famously asked, some time in '07, why he won't sell a 'netbook' 575078;1395520914;CheckDavid;My fellow brothers and sisters praiser the lord 575079;1395520937;asciilifeform;and answered something like, 'if you mean a $300 small laptop, we don't know how to make one that isn't a piece of shit.' 575080;1395520938;ninjashogun;yes, I know this :) 575081;1395520943;ninjashogun;right 575082;1395520949;decimation;ninjashogun are you saying that if the enemy possesses your cardano, then it is suspect? 575083;1395520955;ninjashogun;he said that the only thing is that it's a bad, cheap laptoop 575084;1395521011;ninjashogun;decimation, so this relates to an architectural discussion I had with asciilifeform on it. Specifically, a very GOOD reason not to include ANY second factor, not even the most trivial one (such as not writing your name and bitcoin address on the Cardano) is because any second factor will INCREASE the risky behavior in its users. 575085;1395521020;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-] 575086;1395521021;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.059 = 0.295 BTC [-] {2} 575087;1395521038;asciilifeform;that is approximately what i said, yes. 575088;1395521042;ninjashogun;See: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1369847812000587 575089;1395521081;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.06200008 = 0.31 BTC [-] {2} 575090;1395521082;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, could you continue on your $300 netbook example? 575091;1395521094;asciilifeform;it is absolutely crucial that a cardano owner fully understand the gravity of his situation 575092;1395521098;asciilifeform;in the event of loss 575093;1395521156;decimation;there's no method to gaurantee the integrity of any device that could have been in the enemy's hands 575094;1395521173;asciilifeform;decimation: correct. i'm glad somebody gets this 575095;1395521178;ninjashogun;I also agree. 575096;1395521192;ninjashogun;Integrity is, obviously, right out the window. 575097;1395521192;decimation;well, then how does checking for std's map to this? 575098;1395521203;ninjashogun;decimation, the example is actually not about integrity. :) 575099;1395521244;ninjashogun;decimation, i.e. if it has been in adversary's hands, the result is obviously 0% integrity. What else is the result? I identified a couple of results to asciilifeform (including threat verctor back to PC should it be replaced without the Owner's knowledge) 575100;1395521283;asciilifeform;let's say that you own a pistol. it gets stolen and replaced without your knowledge for one that: shoots backwards. 575101;1395521284;mircea_popescu;std's are a very narrowly restricted set of problems 575102;1395521297;ninjashogun;Both map to STD's. Both reducing the threat vector back to the PC, and reducing the immediate loss without any effort on the part of the enemy, will increase risky behavior. 575103;1395521305;asciilifeform;before you laugh, the americans actually did this to the vietnamese on a few occasions 575104;1395521312;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, yes. 575105;1395521321;asciilifeform;;;google project eldest son 575106;1395521322;gribble;Project Eldest Son - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Eldest_Son>; Project Eldest Son – The U.S. Scheme to Sabotage Charlie's Rifles |: <http://militaryhistorynow.com/2013/11/15/project-eldest-son-the-secret-u-s-scheme-to-sabotage-charlies-ammo/>; Project Eldest Son: Covert Ammo Sabotage in Vietnam | Field ...: (1 more message) 575107;1395521377;decimation;seems like a sound plan 575108;1395521383;ninjashogun;asciilifeform - let's change the approach slightly. Suppose that the "risk compensation effect" were 500x, and the SLIGHTEST reduction in risk will be compensated 500x by risky behavior. 575109;1395521390;decimation;nevertheless, I fail to see how this is the ammo manufacturer's problem 575110;1395521428;mircea_popescu;yet versace purse makers intimately understand why cheap chinese knockoffs are their problem 575111;1395521439;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, in this hypothesis, clearly it would make the Cardano MUCH safer to physically print the private key on it (ascii-padded) on a piece of paper that is folded a single time and taped to the Cardano. If users MUST do this or there is no way to do this, they will treat the Cardano much more safely. 575112;1395521460;ninjashogun;"or there is no way not to do this"* 575113;1395521484;asciilifeform;'steering wheel spike' is a thought experiment, not a business plan. 575114;1395521487;ninjashogun;So that is true of a 500x risk compensation psychology. In this case, every Cardano should have a private key easily legibly printed on it for anyone tosee. 575115;1395521491;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, yes :) 575116;1395521519;benkay;how does this printed key work with the "fry" switch? 575117;1395521525;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, so, how do we determine the difference between Steering Wheel Spike - print the private key on the Cardano for anyone to see - and genuinely sound decisions added for gravity? 575118;1395521529;benkay;or are you proposing abandoning the fry operation, ninjashogun? 575119;1395521531;asciilifeform;benkay: it wouldn't, clearly. this is lunacy. 575120;1395521545;benkay;i'm trying to drag the lunacy out into the open, asciilifeform. 575121;1395521567;ninjashogun;benkay, yes it's just a thought experiment. Clearly to SOME extent people would treat their cardano's slightly more securely physically if the printed key were on it. 575122;1395521568;benkay;(kicking and screaming though it may) 575123;1395521584;ninjashogun;benkay, but you see it would be wrong to do so. That is too much added insecurity. 575124;1395521599;ninjashogun;even though it would cause people to treat their Cardano's in a slightly more coveted manner. 575125;1395521601;benkay;if the users of the cardano need the key printed on the outside to incentivize them to treat it carefully, those are the wrong customers for NSA. 575126;1395521628;benkay;again with this "mass market, make it stupid" SV bullshit. 575127;1395521630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00094635 = 19.4948 BTC [-] 575128;1395521651;ninjashogun;benkay, not so. This is asciilifeform's current argument for refusing to add any fallout mitigation for stolen Cardano's (including use of a passphrase that gets discarded after a while and memory cycled.). 575129;1395521658;asciilifeform;in my earlier conversation with ninjashogun, i tried to explain the concept of only solving technical problems that can be solved -well-. 575130;1395521681;benkay;don't you understand the importance of capturing markets with shoddy products asciilifeform?! 575131;1395521693;ninjashogun;So under the current Cardano architecture, there is 0 mitigation for even accidental loss, or theft. There is no pass phrase that is possible without rewriting the firmware yourself. 575132;1395521703;benkay;incorrect. 575133;1395521712;ninjashogun;Oh, this is what I understood from asciilifeform 575134;1395521714;benkay;sign the cardano key with your master key, and revoke it when you lose it. 575135;1395521723;benkay;*wave hands* 575136;1395521729;asciilifeform;benkay is correct. 575137;1395521732;decimation;tamper evident seals? 575138;1395521739;benkay;there's more to it than that, but that's the high-level approach. 575139;1395521739;ninjashogun;benkay, fair enough :). However if you are not aware that it has been out of your possession for a few minutes or hours this does not help. 575140;1395521742;asciilifeform;decimation: owner is free to apply his own seals. 575141;1395521760;ninjashogun;I personally don't like tamper evident seals at all. 575142;1395521772;ninjashogun;I don't think it's possible to make a true tamper evident device. 575143;1395521776;benkay;ninjashogun: that's the whole point of "you guarantee physical security, cardano guarantees electrical security." 575144;1395521784;benkay;if you can't guarantee physical security, the device is useless. 575145;1395521789;ninjashogun;benkay, I understand this. 575146;1395521791;asciilifeform;the only seal that is worth anything at all is a custom, preferably invisible one (e.g. perfume, specks of dust) applied by the owner. 575147;1395521795;asciilifeform;as discussed in mp's essay 575148;1395521813;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00094607 = 11.684 BTC [-] {2} 575149;1395521836;asciilifeform;likewise, if i applied some magical seal (assume one exists) the buyer is unable to dissect his unit without losing it 575150;1395521840;asciilifeform;so the effort would be wasted. 575151;1395521841;decimation;'professional' crypto products have a zeroize key http://www.gdc4s.com/Documents/Products/Secure%20Voice%20and%20Data/Network%20Encryption/GD-TACLANE-Micro-w.pdf 575152;1395521853;asciilifeform;zeroize key is as old as time. 575153;1395521862;asciilifeform;19th c. codebooks came with anchors. 575154;1395521866;asciilifeform;(drop overboard) 575155;1395521869;benkay;lol anchors 575156;1395521898;benkay;!t m s.nsa 575157;1395521898;assbot;[MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0.000145 / 0.00015512 / 0.000156 (1000 shares, 0.16 BTC), 7D: 0.0001 / 0.00010918 / 0.000156 (6000 shares, 0.66 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.0001236 / 0.00021 (79650 shares, 9.85 BTC) 575158;1395521984;mircea_popescu;they did 575159;1395522002;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, let me ask you this. Will any Cardano ever be lost or stolen? 575160;1395522021;asciilifeform;certainly 575161;1395522038;asciilifeform;just as diamonds, pistols, nukes, are lost and stolen 575162;1395522043;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, it is a good question because in the case of the Soviety Submarines, it is possible that none will ever melt down due to user error, ever. 575163;1395522064;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, in which case any change to that (by making it "safer") would in fact result in worse effects. 575164;1395522080;ninjashogun;soviet* 575165;1395522130;ninjashogun;(asciilifeform had an example of how soviet submarines did not self-regulate their nuclear reactors but always had a person in the loop, who therefore understood the gravity of his situatoin.) 575166;1395522187;asciilifeform;obligatory: 575167;1395522189;asciilifeform;http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered 575168;1395522190;ozbot;Shall be Delivered | The Whet 575169;1395522193;ninjashogun;So, if we know, for sure, that in some cases Cardanos will be lost or stolen - is it possible that an architectural change MAY make the Cardano more secure oerall by reducing the immediate fallout from these cases? 575170;1395522257;decimation;can you propose such a technology? a spike in the steering wheel is not such a precaution. 575171;1395522262;asciilifeform;ninjashogun: i am sad to say that you appear to have learned nothing from our conversation. 575172;1395522411;benkay;asciilifeform: do you think this is a case for Hanlon? 575173;1395522413;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I did learn from it, yes. Clearly Risk Compensation is not a law :) :) It is possible to mitigate fallout in some ways without automatically getting an exact compensation. 575174;1395522498;decimation;it's also obvious that any precautions taken could be bypassed, and thus are worse than features 575175;1395522505;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, for example if you introduced an architectural change that, as a direct result, meant half of thefts did not result in key becoming accessible to thief - would there be instantly twice as many thefts as a result? 575176;1395522535;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, if only one tenth of thefts actually resulted in the key becoming known to the thief - would there be exactly ten times as many thefts as a result? 575177;1395522538;Apocalyptic;dafuq am I reading 575178;1395522583;benkay;Apocalyptic: madness. 575179;1395522592;decimation;he's a high-functioning troll, as best as anyone can gather 575180;1395522598;ninjashogun;Apocalyptic, I am trying to understand the architectural trade-offs in the Cardano, and, specifically, why the private key MUST be stored in the plain with no mitigation against loss. (Except key revocation, if the user is aware of it). Why it has to be "fail-dangerous" and not "fail-90% dangeorus" 575181;1395522604;asciilifeform;decimation: that's the most charitable explanation. 575182;1395522615;mircea_popescu;tibby is back !? 575183;1395522628;mircea_popescu;o the shogun guy. ya well... 575184;1395522640;benkay;ninjashogun: how would you make the key less accesible to an attacker? 575185;1395522647;ninjashogun;For what it's worth, I'm not a troll and do have some experience with product design trade-offs. 575186;1395522649;benkay;mircea_popescu: tib's my thesis here. 575187;1395522665;benkay;ninjashogun: all trolls say "I'm not a troll". 575188;1395522674;Apocalyptic;ninjashogun, I hope i don't use any products resulting of your experience 575189;1395522684;ninjashogun;benkay, that's not true. Some trolls are happy to troll and tell you they're trolling. 575190;1395522694;ninjashogun;benkay - through the methods other people have alreayd suggested (or something similar) to asciilifeform. 575191;1395522709;ninjashogun;benkay, a variation on one of the known methods. 575192;1395522711;benkay;sorry - inaccessible. 575193;1395522716;benkay;less accessible is not acceptable. 575194;1395522733;benkay;(for reasons you fail apparently to grasp) 575195;1395522737;ninjashogun;benkay, I do grasp it. 575196;1395522748;ninjashogun;benkay, and I understand the Risk Compensation argument deeply and with nuance. 575197;1395522763;benkay;seems as though you're the only one. 575198;1395522776;benkay;i think there's a good reason society's locked you up in a 100/mo shithole, sir. 575199;1395522788;diametric;oh he's back 575200;1395522789;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0619926 = 0.124 BTC [+] {2} 575201;1395522800;benkay;you're incapable of even convincing the government to pay your welfare. 575202;1395522805;asciilifeform;in safety engineering, there is a concept where precautions that annoy people and get in the way of work tend to make construction workers, oil prospectors, etc. worse off 575203;1395522808;asciilifeform;than nothing at all 575204;1395522837;asciilifeform;household example would be a smoke alarm that goes off every time you overcook a potato 575205;1395522846;asciilifeform;it tends to end up unplugged and in a parts bin 575206;1395522889;ninjashogun;benkay - Yes, you have just written a good example of trolling. 575207;1395522892;Mats_cd03;oh snap 575208;1395522934;Mats_cd03;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FekvruRUi24 575209;1395522935;ozbot;Keyboard fight - YouTube 575210;1395522938;decimation;ninjashgun has your startup managed to acquire financing? 575211;1395522944;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/06e3229410ffb29f7afcd5039ace6c68/tumblr_mp5ahyJaww1rsltkro1_1280.jpg 575212;1395522946;mircea_popescu;in other news 575213;1395522979;Mats_cd03;whenever i see tumblr my brain tells me "boobies" 575214;1395522989;Mats_cd03;ive been trained by mp to react to tumblr 575215;1395522999;asciilifeform;i, personally, have nothing against paupers who live in $100, or even $10 ditches, and cannot finance anything 575216;1395523002;mircea_popescu;lol 575217;1395523008;mircea_popescu;titsbler 575218;1395523014;asciilifeform;but then come the 'ideas' 575219;1395523054;ninjashogun;decimation, as I mentioned before we are at the pre-financing stage - the startup is not raising money right now. I know a lot of stories of people who built great things with burn rates near $0. Airbnb is now closing a round at $10B. They sold cereal to launch. 575220;1395523079;Mats_cd03;your knowledge of how other startups work is impressive 575221;1395523117;Mats_cd03;oops forgot an /s 575222;1395523119;ninjashogun;Mats_cd03, I worked for a startup that was acquired, as one of just two employees. Yes, I know how typical funded startups operate. 575223;1395523140;Mats_cd03;thats cool, what was the service or good being sold 575224;1395523173;ninjashogun;Mats_cd03, it was called "don't feed the trolls" and we sold custom consulting services that consisted of "Don't feed the trolls". Hope this answers your question. 575225;1395523192;Mats_cd03;im actually not trolling 575226;1395523203;Mats_cd03;but consulting firms are cool, i guess... 575227;1395523206;ninjashogun;Mats_cd03, I humbly disagree, but you are entitled to your opinion. 575228;1395523230;benkay;kakobrekla save us 575229;1395523240;Mats_cd03;so much for innovation 575230;1395523279;ninjashogun;Mats_cd03, honestly I clearly have given this channel way too much access to what I'm doing already. There's a reason stealth mode startups operate in that way. 575231;1395523297;Mats_cd03;i think youve spent too much time drinking the silicon valley koolaid 575232;1395523332;Mats_cd03;if an idea was special nobody would be 575233;1395523342;ninjashogun;Mats_cd03, very humbly, perhaps people here may benefit from a bit more experience with them. 575234;1395523372;Mats_cd03;lol 575235;1395523414;asciilifeform;ninjashogun walks into 'alcoholics anonymous' with a jug of moonshine. 'perhaps people here may benefit from a bit more experience with this!' 575236;1395523428;Mats_cd03;i can't speak for anyone else 575237;1395523432;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, have you had bad experiences with startups? 575238;1395523472;asciilifeform;everyone with a net connection, including Pashtuns using steam modems with ip-over-dead-goat have, at this point, 'had bad experience with startups.' 575239;1395523487;mircea_popescu;hahaha steam modems ? 575240;1395523494;benkay;ip-over-dead-goat! 575241;1395523495;mircea_popescu;your figures are good :D 575242;1395523518;asciilifeform;i had a dream as a kid where me modem (old at&t 'paragon' fished from a skip) was a gas modem, and i forgot to turn off the gas 575243;1395523543;mircea_popescu;clearly someone's mom was intent on stove discipline 575244;1395523556;asciilifeform;(i know of no real life 'gas modem' but folks have proposed using gas, water, even sewer pipes for 'last mile' ip so be careful what you wish for) 575245;1395523581;decimation;'last mile' power line modems are particuarly idiotic 575246;1395523583;mircea_popescu;"send emails over your farts! it's great for the environment and ok for your wallpaper" 575247;1395523593;decimation;spam the shortwave spectrum for a few megabits 575248;1395523606;*;asciilifeform looks for and fails to find the old article on robotic rats used to run wire through sewer pipes 575249;1395523622;mircea_popescu;i wonder if real rats ever tried to mate with them 575250;1395523689;decimation;sending data through an accoustically coupled gas pipe would be amusing but slow 575251;1395523705;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06200001 = 0.186 BTC [-] {2} 575252;1395523710;ninjashogun;Here is why silicon valley is different: 575253;1395523710;ninjashogun;https://www.pwcmoneytree.com/MTPublic/ns/nav.jsp?page=region 575254;1395523711;asciilifeform;http://www.oobject.com/category/super-sewer-robots/ 575255;1395523712;ozbot;PricewaterhouseCoopers: Global: Insights & Solutions: MoneyTree™ 575256;1395523713;ozbot;super sewer robots 575257;1395523765;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.11950724 = 0.717 BTC [-] 575258;1395523772;mircea_popescu;decimation and if there's a gas explosion everyone gets unfriended ? 575259;1395523779;mircea_popescu;whole neighbourhood! 575260;1395523783;ninjashogun;It's the difference between "How can I help you get from a $500K nominal valuation - your last round - to $10M" and "Wait, you're not taking a salary? Why don't you just go on welfare?" -- this channel above :) 575261;1395523792;dub;I know someone that implemented IPoW(et)S(tring) at university 575262;1395523806;benkay;valuation ≠ value. 575263;1395523816;asciilifeform;http://www.inspector-systems.com/makro_plus.html 575264;1395523817;ozbot;INSPECTOR SYSTEMS - MAKRO Plus, Service robots for sewer inspection 575265;1395523817;asciilifeform;etc 575266;1395523826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18076 @ 0.0009479 = 17.1342 BTC [+] {3} 575267;1395523827;ninjashogun;benkay - you are reinforcing my point. valuation might not be value, but it's clear that airbnb is worth more than $200K in cash. 575268;1395523840;asciilifeform;i saw a much simpler (cable-driven) version of this being used right here on my street. 575269;1395523849;ninjashogun;benkay - moreover valuation literally is value, in that it literally is someone paying literally that price. 575270;1395523864;benkay;you miss the point again. 575271;1395523878;asciilifeform;your heart, liver, corneas have a valuation. ask the chinese. anybody paid yet/ 575272;1395523879;ninjashogun;benkay - I think you miss the point. Valuation literally, bydefinition, is value. 575273;1395523884;asciilifeform;? 575274;1395523909;benkay;so all of GLBSE is worthwhile i guess. 575275;1395523928;dub;CSS == value 575276;1395523939;benkay;PMB's == value 575277;1395523944;asciilifeform;ok found it: 575278;1395523948;asciilifeform;http://forbiddenhillcrest.tumblr.com/post/4322296903/the-sewer-robots-of-pulaski-county 575279;1395523948;ozbot;Forbidden Hillcrest, The Sewer Robots of Pulaski County 575280;1395523959;ninjashogun;dub, what is css in this context? 575281;1395523961;asciilifeform;this is quite like the one i saw. 575282;1395524036;decimation;interesting. Such a robot could be quite useful for setting up covert data connections 575283;1395524172;Namworld;http://www.oobject.com/super-sewer-robots/insight-vision-jet-propelled-camera/1871/ 575284;1395524174;ozbot;Insight Vision Jet Propelled Camera 575285;1395524231;Namworld;Protoss Observer, sewer model 575286;1395524248;ninjashogun;http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/7/2/89.full 575287;1395524250;ozbot;The risk compensation theory and bicycle helmets -- Adams and Hillman 7 (2): 89 -- Injury Prevention 575288;1395524258;mircea_popescu;obviously my client splits it up as pula ski 575289;1395524452;Mats_cd03;what is this "stove discipline" you speak of 575290;1395524464;Mats_cd03;is this something you can only experience in the dreaded lubyanka 575291;1395524523;mircea_popescu;well, natural gas is dangerous, in that it'll level a house. 575292;1395524535;mircea_popescu;pretty much the only way kids and senile old people have of causing serious trouble 575293;1395524569;asciilifeform;speaking of which, 575294;1395524571;asciilifeform;http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/uptown/businesses-closed-week-explosion-article-1.1729672 575295;1395524573;ozbot;Merchants shut down after East Harlem gas explosion plead for help - NY Daily News 575296;1395524623;mircea_popescu;sahara boutique 575297;1395524624;asciilifeform;http://www.trbimg.com/img-53211025/turbine/la-apphoto-aptopix-nyc-explosion2-jpg-20140312/600 575298;1395524626;mircea_popescu;sounds promising. 575299;1395524672;mircea_popescu;116th street wow. and yet it has buildings and everything ?! 575300;1395524737;asciilifeform;given how it was an almost surgical demolition job of most of a block, probably a basement leak 575301;1395524745;asciilifeform;but ianafi (i am not a fire inspector)... 575302;1395524764;nubbins`;who is?! 575303;1395524768;mircea_popescu;so the city is responsible huh ? 575304;1395524808;asciilifeform;http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/16/us-usa-new-york-collapse-idUSBREA2F0IU20140316 575305;1395524808;ozbot;Crews focus on gas lines in New York building explosion 575306;1395525256;mircea_popescu;data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAArwAAAGbBAMAAADU1V5jAAAAJFBMVEX////g4OAgICBgYGBAQEAAAACgoKDAwMCAgIDl5f/U1O3d3d00vM7SAAAURUlEQVR4nO2du3MbNx7HoQcszbjR5DF3paLHJaXOGWVSchwzcQnThG0NG41z7jWZ81zryUWX9hoWTH9FOjWs/M/d4rUvYHcB7EKiud/vaChyd38L8MMfQQD7w28JgSAIatZnR37HeR4Wpb2LhCd/UH3B50ePnp5dE35D5pTzud6+d/JNtvPsiHB+KsgeMvLPs5uDpz9lz80x08qZ9l6T8yN6rF9lx9CJeipPn72eyw2fn/yYPe48Obs2+4sjt0+X73+ZXJ4+eUn4JHv/p99+Z7Y/n16Qk9sJ 575307;1395525256;mircea_popescu;mX2bPSGHU3Yw/+31++fTmya8j97s8Ov3xg9LeOXpDd6d8x/OP2TfmfmTNwXU6Wm6N/iwmtJH/8ne+vR69ka7l9IJ2Z+Qky8vMi67x5lrPmF7L3ZeXh5lW7JN81+/Jm+/mWYOff3u4vaDMpk/Ort4d51tOnj6Y3bM93RyebM7IY/k6Q3evVdkl2XIr8k5fX5ys3dyejR/ez63K7Ydup0e7b0g5MuL+eXNnJ49+0lvn/6ePfxyKlh+dpw93Wf7jMyn0iXnhH87P5j9xg9e/vx6/9WZNnl6+Pz4Umx6/112rv2v6OT9h/fXRJ2eZ+2OsBWf1ZH49MgOnV8eX353ezE7297G4fB8/gUTX+T57kS0va+yTc8yD/3r+fxo5+mbvQ8Zlw+kjndGzjNq54ezZy93zl9rk3df/M7OxKbbs+ 575308;1395525257;mircea_popescu;nF7OkRneweXx5lluL0s2fPJF5NUrgrPd5l/9p5P5ltcdtL6O0PynsP3ujGYY8fi39vj/e/un1yPXv2XLyq4p2TafZyuid+Ci8n2uTLt9ev3ohNl5xP+CzDe/g682z95dCNQ+a9OzfSe/9CJ/vs85PLyXyL8f6b7v5NN46X5bb3LAOxe7w3M79j+9W2N0MrvPcFOdo5ea1Nds+Pnr4Qm26Pdsjs7YROdubZl8Fue49l23si8E6zD2Gb8V6+0z2H7CdM9By+N9uznsPe/Fd+k+M9mP36+v035zcar2h7d85+frX/+kSbHM7I7bHY9NmPl9fzw1cZtOkxKfccTr/9e6XnkOH9fprh3f363t/3PWk/+xbrjumBaHtnevuh6Pc+Of3sOMdL/nF280j3ezO85O3pue456M7YwUvy7oLk 575309;1395525262;mircea_popescu;PYfMO8Xrcr9XNO3lfu8+++Ls7VdzcnhmV2xL9GXK4djtdcKTfxLaS3ju3Vn3MVC09n7qPgaCoAcV5YRzlj0Swpn4g4YUI4zJR0IJzf4euj5bpka8HOotphoHF96rVaD+DDUo648+xj2tk9X8v0yCFQ4MvMOXDbxSafGyBrzLrPW4WmX/ruTBS75aXcnHVbZlKbdl/5dyT/b3pzyWr9ThysZplJ0wNzJ7dBnDv0UfJcSbtb36r9Yxy/EWKK+WV+Ixe71ccb1tqfZkf//LjhXY1OFXqzajpTHSe5Z/LBO9RR8lxNuoMt7lUpMwpFZl75V7VlfSe8t4eaPRKjfSn9DI8epvsyG1NB6dHaH3mMbhKm8cJGeX0dXK7MmeZo/i9H/wRG/RRw+Od7VcrUqOeLWstL2F9670sTlet5HZow 575310;1395525267;mircea_popescu;iLPXzU3lsjtYrBu7Lwlg5E49CK98q0vV54cyOzZ8Rtr+hHiZ+2vI+11H2sK/PTlnfMlrqPdSVaZfnEZSQ7ZmJPdnqzZ1s7Zi14C7ld66r68s/GPS1GHpX00CeIt7zLOY9W33jXfnj7rsfNJh7qZ12qec+y6++OWRNjrNgVqMEqed/WQ9WcAa9TQ+FlNl6mx8IZWTk0Bt7osrkDL+VU/XHGmfgrdgVq9Hhd3ivAqj/GOfAGiz7OSTU0DoKtuJ7JKOMEeIPEOvBSxVZ4r6QLvEFinBpmrAEv4wqvbB6AN0iMduKVLS9+2qIk8PIWvFnbS0R3LKOLjlm4mPj2K1TchRfDiqSNA/D2w0sUXknZgb 575311;1395525272;mircea_popescu;ouch 575312;1395525274;mircea_popescu;sorry! 575313;1395525298;asciilifeform;puzzle for us all? 575314;1395525328;benkay;pastebin? 575315;1395525337;benkay;plus context? 575316;1395525346;mircea_popescu;its the ^OEX chart, 5 years, weekly 575317;1395525356;mircea_popescu;it looks beyond fucking ridiculous 575318;1395525364;mircea_popescu;here, i'll summarize it for you : 575319;1395525368;mircea_popescu;/ 575320;1395525403;Mats_cd03;it all makes sense now 575321;1395525412;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6139998 BTC [+] 575322;1395525416;Mats_cd03;not 575323;1395525447;benkay;nice steady rate of inflation in the usd? 575324;1395525463;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 the ^OEX, ie standard and poor 100, is the index of us stocks. which supposedly have been moving like it's animated by the gosplan 575325;1395525480;Mats_cd03;i see 575326;1395525500;mircea_popescu;benkay from 500 to 800 in 2 years ? 575327;1395525525;mircea_popescu;it was 500ish in 2002. 575328;1395525530;mircea_popescu;it was 500ish in 2007 575329;1395525536;mircea_popescu;it was 500ish in 2012 575330;1395525538;mircea_popescu;but since... 575331;1395525566;mircea_popescu;25+% a year, twice madoff's presumed return. 575332;1395525608;benkay;talking about this? 575333;1395525608;benkay;http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EOEX+Interactive#symbol=%5EOEX;range=max 575334;1395525609;ozbot;S&P 100 INDEX Index Chart - Yahoo Finance 575335;1395525656;Namworld;Damn, I decoded what was pasted and i got a large image with just a few pixel high line of actual picture. 575336;1395525683;mircea_popescu;benkay http://bit.ly/1gd6BQW 575337;1395525686;mircea_popescu;sorry for shortner 575338;1395525716;mircea_popescu;the image comes straighyt from there, who knew these guys use mpex tech o.O 575339;1395525720;mircea_popescu;i thought i was the only cool one. 575340;1395525813;mircea_popescu;anyway, simply put anything past 1994 is bs. 575341;1395525863;mircea_popescu;(the 25 year graph makes it quite plain) 575342;1395526076;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, madoff chose a return that was set not to be "too good to be true" while working more on giving the appearance of very low baked-in risk. He did not give out returns that made anyone wealthy - he was just very consistent about it. 575343;1395526388;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1700 @ 0.00012401 = 0.2108 BTC [-] 575344;1395526389;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 34 @ 0.0730414 = 2.4834 BTC [-] {4} 575345;1395526470;benkay;2001-2003 575346;1395526471;benkay;good times 575347;1395526555;benkay;i start to understand the furor over QE ca 2007 575348;1395526559;mircea_popescu;should have let the bullshit deflate then 575349;1395526577;benkay;"but we're already printing money every week! what else are we to do?" 575350;1395526587;benkay;"i have a pwan! pwint MOAR!" 575351;1395526647;mircea_popescu;anywya, if anyone wants to sell me ^OEX puts... 575352;1395526657;benkay;what timeframe? just out of curiousity. 575353;1395526667;mircea_popescu;five years, say. 575354;1395526765;benkay;i've been looking for fb puts on the same scale. 575355;1395526777;mircea_popescu;i'd take two years there 575356;1395526789;*;mircea_popescu wistfully recalls his rimm puts. o glory. 575357;1395526936;mircea_popescu;i can't sell enough us, as far as i'm concerned. 575358;1395526937;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00094859 = 7.2093 BTC [+] {2} 575359;1395526957;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, the berkshire bitbet is something else 575360;1395526968;benkay;http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/fb/option-chain?callput=put&dateindex=6 575361;1395526971;ozbot;Facebook, Inc. (FB) Option Chain - Stock Puts & Calls - NASDAQ.com 575362;1395526980;mircea_popescu;98 no bets for a 34.98 btc pool. 14 yes bets for a 1007.6 pool 575363;1395527013;mircea_popescu;that's 0.35 avg vs 71.95 avg 575364;1395527019;mircea_popescu;only 200x 575365;1395527031;benkay;but buffet, mannnnnn 575366;1395527032;mircea_popescu;even if we exclude my bet, it's still .54 575367;1395527053;benkay;smart money is big money. 575368;1395527070;mircea_popescu;and vice versa. 575369;1395527089;mircea_popescu;i'll end up making 3% over a year and people will be o noes, such low return 575370;1395527183;benkay;srs? in btc? 575371;1395527204;benkay;i was under the impression that 2% was an outrageous return in btc. 575372;1395527241;mircea_popescu;you don't read the forum much i take it. 575373;1395527248;benkay;i should fix that. 575374;1395527255;mircea_popescu;maybe not 575375;1395527365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00094949 = 13.0555 BTC [+] 575376;1395528035;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15358 @ 0.00094855 = 14.5678 BTC [-] 575377;1395528489;taub;what exchange is lake 575378;1395529316;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 36 @ 0.0055591 = 0.2001 BTC [+] 575379;1395529481;hdbuck;shit im being prosecuted. any lawyers? ^^ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494617.100 575380;1395529547;mircea_popescu;you're being prosecuted for karpeles being jewish ? 575381;1395529576;hdbuck;i really cant tell so far 575382;1395529581;hdbuck;maybee 575383;1395529583;hdbuck;?! 575384;1395529670;mircea_popescu;this crap is in service discussion ?! 575385;1395529773;hdbuck;lol yeah, i just digged up MK essays and got caught between fires 575386;1395529835;hdbuck;mk's bullish essays : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494617.msg5682343#msg5682343 575387;1395529858;mircea_popescu;what or who is mk 575388;1395529896;hdbuck;Mark Karpeles 575389;1395529907;hdbuck;the scammer 575390;1395529962;mircea_popescu;a a 575391;1395530142;kakobrekla;yeah, i better stop using initials for my email signature 575392;1395530162;mircea_popescu;sucks huh. 575393;1395530170;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11522 @ 0.00094589 = 10.8985 BTC [-] 575394;1395530182;kakobrekla;yeah well you are not too far from it 575395;1395530267;kakobrekla;mp, mk, the keys are right next to each other 575396;1395530276;mircea_popescu;im not too worried about it 575397;1395530304;kakobrekla;i know. 575398;1395530350;mircea_popescu;"The sooner this community gets rid of these stains/schemes currently tainting the innovative and revolutionary world of bitcoin which they are piggybacking, the sooner we will make progress." 575399;1395530366;mircea_popescu;this preceded by "Your detachment from reality..." 575400;1395530863;cazalla;clearly karpeles is JIDF 575401;1395530903;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6230002 BTC [+] 575402;1395530962;mircea_popescu;are these the idiots who whine at facebook about whether x y z is a country ? 575403;1395530963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00608565 = 0.353 BTC [+] {5} 575404;1395530985;jborkl;What is JIDF? 575405;1395531024;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00619576 = 0.2602 BTC [+] {3} 575406;1395531052;cazalla;Jewish Internet Defense Force 575407;1395531238;mircea_popescu;http://www.checkfundmanager.com/wall_of_shame.html 575408;1395531238;ozbot;Check Fund Manager Wall of Shame 575409;1395531241;cazalla;I would probably get along great with radan lol 575410;1395531352;hdbuck;what?! they havent had add Karpeles to that list yet? ^^ 575411;1395531390;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00094323 = 2.2638 BTC [-] 575412;1395531397;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> wait what ? 575413;1395531397;mircea_popescu;<mpoe-pr> you're aware that there's this bitcoin forum that i work on every day. and on this forum, there are sub-forums. and one of these is off-topic. 575414;1395531397;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> ya 575415;1395531397;mircea_popescu;<mpoe-pr> there's a thread there for movie recommendations. forum people. recommending movies to each other. can you imagine the horror? cause it's worse than you imagine. 575416;1395531399;mircea_popescu;poor girl. 575417;1395531573;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61519 BTC [-] 575418;1395531615;hdbuck;mircea_popescu, could you please enlighten me regarding what is actually going to happen in bitcoinland? i mean, all that junk going on with the BTCFoundation, the heists, the banks, the whole damn world? what to expect if not some shitstorm lies and persecutions? 575419;1395531638;mircea_popescu;well who knows the future eh ? 575420;1395531663;hdbuck;i figured you had a pretty good idea tho cuz i'm clueless :) 575421;1395531687;mircea_popescu;who knows, maybe the sec finally decides to stop dicking around and we get some scams actually blown open properly, 575422;1395531709;mircea_popescu;rather than this current "pick bugs off the floor put them, in the bucket whence they run back out" thing we've been doing for the past three years 575423;1395531727;mircea_popescu;it's starting to drive the girl nuts, for one. 575424;1395531754;mircea_popescu;my cock really doesn't taste as bad as people tell themselves. 575425;1395531770;hdbuck;i saw your first post on the btcforum was: "I'm pretty convinced we will see 1mn$ / BTC at some future point" havent changed your mind so far? ^^ 575426;1395531781;mircea_popescu;nope. 575427;1395531790;mircea_popescu;what post is this ? 575428;1395531799;hdbuck;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37923;sa=showPosts 575429;1395531800;ozbot;Latest posts of: Mircea Popescu 575430;1395531802;hdbuck;first one 575431;1395531825;mircea_popescu;o.O 575432;1395531827;hdbuck;nice introduction ^^ 575433;1395531873;mircea_popescu;i dunno, must be some meanwhile forgotten joke ? 575434;1395531940;mircea_popescu;that aside, bitcoin will outlive the dollar, in which sense any arbitrary price point will be reached eventually. 575435;1395531955;hdbuck;a joke taht had kept you busy for the last couple of years 575436;1395532003;hdbuck;anyho, still reading logs. im not going to bother any longer. keeping up the faith :) 575437;1395532008;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/e7d146810d1469d34acdd03e710ac892/tumblr_mnxx63r5tp1rymyzgo1_1280.jpg 575438;1395532014;mircea_popescu;have a tit. 575439;1395532044;diametric;lots of new people stopping by lately i see 575440;1395532201;cazalla;I'm fairly new and my being here, I would expect more soon diametric 575441;1395532251;mircea_popescu;curious which is the first hip hop artist to make it here. 575442;1395532265;mircea_popescu;they all pretend like they're businessmen, it's the hip thing to claim 575443;1395532272;cazalla;given it takes a year to go through the /r/bitcoin and bitcointalk wringer, i am thinking most end up here after some time and not straight off thet bat 575444;1395532285;mircea_popescu;i sure hope so. 575445;1395532316;diametric;cazalla: why is that? 575446;1395532345;cazalla;diametric: learning curve i would think 575447;1395532387;diametric;there is a surprisingly amount of people that really dislike mircea_popescu. I've encountered a few that proclaim he's a scammer, but when questioned on what scam specifically they fail to give details. 575448;1395532407;diametric;and by association they've linked this channel to scammers 575449;1395532413;cazalla;I'm your average person, can't keep up with some of the conversation here, need to go and google words for definitions and so forth but I'm here (got started in Bitcoin nov 2012) so I would expect others who are average to start turning up as I have 575450;1395532415;mircea_popescu;the convenient explanation being that they're exposed scammers/shills with a bone for pr. 575451;1395532474;CheckDavid;cazalla: normal people have to Google 575452;1395532477;mircea_popescu;the more likely explanation is probably that they're not actually as smart as they see themsekves. 575453;1395532481;CheckDavid;But it you actually Google 575454;1395532492;CheckDavid;You are away being them :) 575455;1395532500;CheckDavid;*way beyond 575456;1395532532;cazalla;diametric: I think the dislike might come from feeling inferior due to the conversations here 575457;1395532558;cazalla;If you put ones ego aside for a moment, there is a lot you can learn, at least that has been my experience to date 575458;1395532558;diametric;possibly, it also reminds me of when someone wins at something, people immediately assume they cheated somehow because they themselves didn't win. 575459;1395532591;mircea_popescu;crab pot phenomena 575460;1395532601;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu sucks 575461;1395532608;CheckDavid;But I love him 575462;1395532616;CheckDavid;He is wise 575463;1395532624;mircea_popescu;omg i don't suck how can you say that!1 575464;1395532700;*;CheckDavid hides 575465;1395532723;mircea_popescu;lol 575466;1395532732;hdbuck;im really trying to grasp what happened with the massive PUT orders in early feb. MP's feb report mentioned his ability to stand for the sake of bitcoin, and being well connected, etc... But who was on the other side? Why such orders in bulk at this given period? :/ 575467;1395532755;diametric;asciilifeform: found a device with a ridiculous ppi 575468;1395532764;asciilifeform;diametric: ? 575469;1395532787;asciilifeform;(gonna guess: a head-mounted lcd) 575470;1395532799;diametric;asciilifeform: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/OPPO-Find-7_id8351 575471;1395532813;diametric;asciilifeform: 5.5in screen at 1440x2560. 575472;1395532827;mircea_popescu;hdbuck well don't forget to publish if you figure out anything. 575473;1395532841;asciilifeform;now we need 24 in of that. 575474;1395532845;mircea_popescu;diametric that has got to be a scam. 575475;1395532855;mircea_popescu;500dpi srsly ? 575476;1395532860;diametric;mircea_popescu: oppo's made several phones already 575477;1395532871;asciilifeform;this is only 2x the density of the 'nexus 10' widget i read djvus with. 575478;1395532873;mircea_popescu;what tech is that ? 575479;1395532914;diametric;mircea_popescu: oppo has the only phone on the market currently running cyanogen that's been certified by google as well 575480;1395532952;mircea_popescu;heh and the chinese take the lead. 575481;1395532960;mircea_popescu;so how are they made, just packed tighter ? 575482;1395532985;mircea_popescu;all i see is a n1 at 2k/1k 575483;1395532998;asciilifeform;transistors have packed to far greater densities, far earlier 575484;1395533010;asciilifeform;the 'hard part' of this kind of display is - driving it 575485;1395533018;mircea_popescu;and that's a ~7inch tablety thing 575486;1395533032;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform many problems, really. 575487;1395533101;asciilifeform;kopin corp. had microdisplays with ~1600x1200 in fingernail sized element, for ages 575488;1395533109;asciilifeform;just not at 'human' prices. 575489;1395533133;mircea_popescu;well sure 575490;1395533185;asciilifeform;(ok not quite. but close - http://www.kopin.com/offerings/products/ruggedized-display-products#sxga-lbc) 575491;1395533195;asciilifeform;there were, if i recall, others. 575492;1395533215;asciilifeform;(i once took a great interest in the subject of head-mounted displays) 575493;1395533608;diametric;asciilifeform: do you still actively play go? 575494;1395533621;asciilifeform;as a matter of fact i do. 575495;1395533625;diametric;asciilifeform: http://shop.gogameguru.com/ 575496;1395533628;diametric;they just started accepting bitcoin 575497;1395533637;asciilifeform;haha neat 575498;1395533642;diametric;with a 15% discount this weekend apparently. 575499;1395533770;kakobrekla;i havent played in years :\ 575500;1395533784;mircea_popescu;great game to play with teh girlz. 575501;1395533952;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1168 @ 0.00083535 = 0.9757 BTC [-] {7} 575502;1395534013;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.00546 = 1.092 BTC [-] 575503;1395534014;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 919 @ 0.00047516 = 0.4367 BTC [-] {4} 575504;1395534235;asciilifeform;http://shop.gogameguru.com/kaya-go-board-86/ 575505;1395534472;diametric;asciilifeform: http://www.reddit.com/user/CompileBot 575506;1395534501;diametric;asciilifeform: so if you post on reddit with +/u/CompileBot language \n\n [ code ], it will run that code and post it as a reply. 575507;1395534502;decimation;everyone knows that such blocks of wood are trival to obtain - simply punch a tree ala minecraft 575508;1395534512;asciilifeform;lol 575509;1395534562;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00319977 = 0.16 BTC [+] {3} 575510;1395534566;asciilifeform;i actually know someone who owns a board like that. 575511;1395534572;asciilifeform;my brother. he didn't pay 100k though 575512;1395534598;asciilifeform;more like 1k. i think it was old (100+ yrs.) and refinished at least once, after ww2 if i recall. 575513;1395534606;decimation;well, presumably one could make it out of oak or pine for much less $$ 575514;1395534618;asciilifeform;yes. there's some of those in the linked shop 575515;1395534641;decimation;the trick is drying and finishing 575516;1395534648;asciilifeform;it's surprisingly hard to find a breed of wood that comes in the requisite monolithic piece and never - ever - warps. 575517;1395534672;decimation;there is much art to drying wood without warping 575518;1395534676;asciilifeform;(the stones, traditionally, are glass and very slippery. so surface gotta be level.) 575519;1395534698;asciilifeform;(nitpick - traditional stones aren't glass - seashell and slate.) 575520;1395534746;asciilifeform;all i personally have is a very thoroughly weathered (from abuse as a student) magnetic board. 575521;1395534807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00094552 = 13.5209 BTC [+] {2} 575522;1395534891;mircea_popescu;actually all the good boards i've seen are stone 575523;1395534903;mircea_popescu;black/white marble on rosy granite works especially well 575524;1395534948;asciilifeform;i imagine it would. in japan they like the 'click' of the wood though. 575525;1395534966;mircea_popescu;yeah well, what do they know. 575526;1395535021;asciilifeform;1 of these days i too will purchase an enormous stone plinth. always wanted one, holography table 575527;1395535033;decimation;for an optics bench? 575528;1395535041;asciilifeform;right 575529;1395535132;decimation;how to design an observatory: http://www.dfmengineering.com/news_observatory_design.html 575530;1395535144;decimation;one probably need not be that hardcore for an optics bench 575531;1395535148;decimation;but it would be helpful 575532;1395535155;asciilifeform;holography specifically 575533;1395535157;asciilifeform;needs a heavy table 575534;1395535166;asciilifeform;long exposure times, little tolerance for vibration. 575535;1395535215;decimation;dump a concrete block in the ground, build a building around it, isolated with air gap 575536;1395535238;asciilifeform;that's actually pretty close to the traditional recipe: 575537;1395535252;asciilifeform;stack of old tires, pour 'quickcrete'. 575538;1395535291;asciilifeform;takes up a good bit of space though. 575539;1395535298;asciilifeform;(and i'd probably fall through my floor...) 575540;1395535403;decimation;yeah you probably want to build it in a basement 575541;1395535416;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.0031 = 0.1054 BTC [-] {2} 575542;1395535479;asciilifeform;yeah that's where it ought to go. at any rate, probably not happening in a 30m^2 flat. 575543;1395535531;asciilifeform;my mind always boggles when i visit somebody's gigantic house and there's no heavy, oily strange in the basement 575544;1395535534;asciilifeform;all that space, wasted 575545;1395535551;decimation;even worse; finished with mold-gathering carpet 575546;1395535559;ninjashogun;pretty interesting link - http://blogmaverick.com/2009/02/09/the-mark-cuban-stimulus-plan-open-source-funding/ --- but the interesting part is the comments! scroll down. 575547;1395536158;mircea_popescu;my mind boggles when i visit someone and they have shit like a pool table in the basement 575548;1395536176;mircea_popescu;"o ya, you're really living it large dude. the whole point of a pool table is to keep it in a cellar." 575549;1395536198;dub;its to get away from the woman 575550;1395536214;Diablo-D3;but I thought the point of a pool table was to throw a woman on it and fuck her 575551;1395536238;dub;no, tried getting jizz out of felt before? 575552;1395536239;mircea_popescu;you two are speaking of different women. 575553;1395536273;mircea_popescu;dub forget that part, that's easy. ever tried to talk to the beast after she's been rubbed raw on marble for half hour ? 575554;1395536325;dub;can only imagine, I find carpet bad enough 575555;1395536392;decimation;<<mircea_popescu: "underserved" and "unearned" income are exactly the cornerstone of productive economic activity. >> moldbug's solution: formalism http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.ca/2007/04/formalist-manifesto-originally-posted.html 575556;1395536423;decimation;The goal of formalism is to avoid this unpleasant little detour. Formalism says: let's figure out exactly who has what, now, and give them a little fancy certificate. Let's not get into who should have what. Because, like it or not, this is simply a recipe for more violence. It is very hard to come up with a rule that explains why the Palestinians should get Haifa back, and doesn't explain why the Welsh should get London back 575557;1395536453;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 575558;1395536575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00094323 = 11.4131 BTC [-] {2} 575559;1395536812;dub;asciilifeform: noob question im having trouble getting a straight answer, have 20a dc supply that I want to drive (carefully) off 10a of AC mains, bad idea? 575560;1395536824;asciilifeform;20a of what? 575561;1395536828;decimation;what voltage is your DC supply? 575562;1395536846;dub;12v (13.something) 575563;1395536864;decimation;should be fine, don't put too much other stuff on the AC circuit 575564;1395536868;dub;ac is 230 if it matters 575565;1395536872;decimation;oh 575566;1395536904;decimation;that should be like 1 amp of ac 575567;1395536910;decimation;why do you need 10? 575568;1395536936;dub;I only have 10 of AC, a small generator 575569;1395536949;decimation;if it's putting out 10 amps at 230 volts you are fine 575570;1395536963;kakobrekla;2300w vs 240w 575571;1395536968;kakobrekla;+- 575572;1395536974;decimation;is it a linear supply or switching supply? 575573;1395537003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00094821 = 19.4383 BTC [+] {4} 575574;1395537047;mircea_popescu;diametric "here's how i try to inject myself in stuff that has nothing to do with me over 5k words. call me michael moore" 575575;1395537070;decimation;if it is a switching supply and your generator puts out crap AC, you might ruin the dc supply 575576;1395537093;mircea_popescu;in any event, violence is not a "problem". it's required, like breathing. 575577;1395537126;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: was it you who had a piece about 'temperature' ? 575578;1395537144;asciilifeform;(as in simulated annealing) 575579;1395537149;mircea_popescu;perhaps not ? 575580;1395537175;asciilifeform;but re: society and 'hormesis' of theft 575581;1395537190;asciilifeform;;;ud hormesis 575582;1395537191;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hormesis | trending. white dragon breath · surfboard · thot · tittybong · neknominate · lumpatious · poopsterbate · fap · bae · thought blocked. categories. gaming · sports ... 575583;1395537192;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: hormesis 575584;1395537203;asciilifeform;bah 575585;1395537216;decimation;as in a little radiation is good for you? 575586;1395537219;mircea_popescu;well this is all too vague to pinpoint. 575587;1395537232;mircea_popescu;decimation no, as in a little fucking and public speaking is required for adults. 575588;1395537242;mircea_popescu;even if you don't make either your life calling. 575589;1395537248;asciilifeform;yeah in this particular case, this. 575590;1395537302;asciilifeform;a common criticism of mr moldy (whose every published word, to my shame, i read) is that his entire philosophy seems to reduce to 'the crown exists to guard my suburban house against evil ape men' 575591;1395537326;asciilifeform;to be fair, 'truth in advertising' - 'mencius' 575592;1395537336;decimation;which would be awesome for him, but it's not going to happen 575593;1395537362;mircea_popescu;i dunno why this fear of other people seriously. 575594;1395537385;mircea_popescu;there's this generation of nuts that fears its own shadow. cops ? hoprrible. the sec ? omaigawd. black kids ? HALP HALP 575595;1395537391;mircea_popescu;i wonder how they manage to brush teeth. 575596;1395537401;asciilifeform;in their guarded enclaves? 575597;1395537411;mircea_popescu;what if the tootbrush gives them an evil look one day ? 575598;1395537455;mircea_popescu;i mean, even in the middle of an armed rebellion/invasion your chances to be plugged are what, 1% ? 575599;1395537472;decimation;it does seem that paranoia is the mood of our age 575600;1395537482;mircea_popescu;syria casualties are 100k over 22mn. 575601;1395537487;mircea_popescu;that fails to be a 1% 575602;1395537503;mircea_popescu;meanwhile they play dice for a 2% house edge. that's okay. 575603;1395537519;asciilifeform;this is a psychiatric, not political, phenomenon. 575604;1395537529;mircea_popescu;planes are dangerous, see ? cars are fine. 575605;1395537542;mircea_popescu;they should put wheels on the fucking airplane seats. 575606;1395537550;mircea_popescu;kids would love them 575607;1395537556;decimation;somehow the risk aversion circuit has gone haywire? 575608;1395537563;mircea_popescu;decimation guess why ? 575609;1395537572;mircea_popescu;kid regularly beaten is not affraid of the world. 575610;1395537579;mircea_popescu;kid that's never been beaten ? nuts. 575611;1395537581;asciilifeform;;;google axenic mouse 575612;1395537582;gribble;Axenic mice model.: <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18370163>; Axenic service - Infrafrontier: <https://www.infrafrontier.eu/resources-and-services/axenic-service>; EMMA axenic (germ-free) service - Infrafrontier: <https://www.infrafrontier.eu/resources-and-services/axenic-service/emma-axenic-germ-free-service> 575613;1395537599;mircea_popescu;the romans had the following problem to sexual fixations in pubers : exposure. 575614;1395537613;mircea_popescu;apparently you can't get a fetish going if you get to see the actual object, in all its nude glory. 575615;1395537626;mircea_popescu;experience, direct experience, remains the best cure for mental dysfunction. 575616;1395537669;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty much 575617;1395537673;decimation;the parents I know who pratice physical punishment have the most well-adjusted children 575618;1395537696;mircea_popescu;it doesn't even have to be all that present, but human beings need experiences, and a balanced diet thereof. 575619;1395537735;mircea_popescu;if you've never been punched in the face your reptillian brain builds this thing into an endless colossus. if you have, whatever. maybe you lose a tooth, your lip gets swollen. so what of it ? 575620;1395537782;mircea_popescu;this works across the board, currently the biggest deterrent to nuclear detonation isn't a bunch of fucktarded chicks that drink tea and blather like sheep. it's simply the desire on all parties that invested billions in these things to avoid proving to the general public that... big fucking deal. 575621;1395537823;mircea_popescu;as long as nobody uses them it's "those incredibly, exceedingly, unrepresentably powerful weapons". after a dozen or so pop it's like... those very expensive, inaccurate things. 575622;1395537835;decimation;indeed, nuclear bombs aren't nearly as dangerous as people like to believe 575623;1395537861;mircea_popescu;and as the countries spending billions on them like the people to continue to believe. 575624;1395537867;decimation;https://www.fourmilab.ch/bombcalc/ 575625;1395537869;ozbot;Nuclear Bomb Effects Computer 575626;1395537877;joecool;decimation: but napalm is cheap 575627;1395537909;mircea_popescu;joecool napalm is mostly oil. thats cheap now ? 575628;1395537910;decimation;carpet bombing with napalm would probably be far worse for the average citizen than a nuke going off 575629;1395537928;joecool;mircea_popescu: compared to nuclear weapons? sure 575630;1395537950;mircea_popescu;joecool that can't be right, mostly because nuclear power is economical as compared to burning oil. 575631;1395537982;mircea_popescu;the problem is surface, for both of you. 575632;1395538013;asciilifeform;the fuel in a 'fire job' (as curtis lemay called it) is the kindling you blast the buildings into during the prelude 575633;1395538021;asciilifeform;not the napalm per se 575634;1395538034;mircea_popescu;it's all described in this ancient trilema article http://trilema.com/2011/radiatia-si-corpul-omenesc/ 575635;1395538061;mircea_popescu;but fundamentally : every mile you walk adds more than a square mile to the area you've covered. 575636;1395538088;mircea_popescu;like the problem of finding that plane : it only flew what, 500 miles ? 575637;1395538099;mircea_popescu;well that's 250`000 square miles to look over. 575638;1395538119;decimation;yeah, you can't carpet-nuke that kind of area 575639;1395538120;mircea_popescu;and this if you roughly know the direction. if you don't.... 575640;1395538126;asciilifeform;incidentally, inverse-square effect is why icbms switched to 'mirv' (multiple warhead) systems instead of one fat bomb. 575641;1395538132;mircea_popescu;^ 575642;1395538137;mircea_popescu;and even that, it's what... a hack. 575643;1395538141;mircea_popescu;does little really 575644;1395538185;decimation;this article has a pretty good map http://theaviationist.com/2014/03/22/satellite-china-new-debris/ 575645;1395538190;asciilifeform;well, you can mostly level a megapolis, if you have reasonably-accurate targeting 575646;1395538219;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let's play with math. latent heat for water is what, 12k, +4k per degree. 575647;1395538228;mircea_popescu;so if you want to boil up afghanistan, you're looking at 575648;1395538259;asciilifeform;why boil the sea. so wasteful. let's do 'great lakes.' 575649;1395538261;mircea_popescu;;;calc 500000 * 10**6 * 50 * (80 *4000 + 12000) 575650;1395538261;gribble;8300000000000000000 575651;1395538266;mircea_popescu;that's a quantity of joules. 575652;1395538279;decimation;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Peacekeeper-missile-testing.jpg 575653;1395538282;asciilifeform;(incidentally, vladimir chelomei suggested exactly this.) 575654;1395538305;asciilifeform;decimation: that's a famous picture. but - it's a long exposure. 575655;1395538317;mircea_popescu;;;calc 8300000000000000000 / (6.1178632 * 10 ** 9) 575656;1395538317;gribble;1356682836.58 575657;1395538351;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1356682836.58 * 100 / 500 575658;1395538351;gribble;271336567.316 575659;1395538355;decimation;(8 300 000 000 000 000 000 joules) / (1 ton of tnt) =1.98374761 109 575660;1395538363;mircea_popescu;cost 271mn btc to burn up afghanistan. 575661;1395538368;asciilifeform;lol 575662;1395538374;mircea_popescu;totally worth it right ? 575663;1395538387;asciilifeform;i also recall that there was a rather serious problem with 'warhead fratricide' 575664;1395538414;decimation;that's 200 10 megaton nukes 575665;1395538414;asciilifeform;neutrons from neighbouring blasts would prematurely pop the fissile initiator of a given piece 575666;1395538427;mircea_popescu;yeah that's a problem. 575667;1395538471;asciilifeform;if i recall, this was solved with some clever finesse (entirely absent in english language literature, afaik) with neutron tubes: 575668;1395538479;mircea_popescu;and the thing with megalopolis-oi. cairo yes, cause it's shit. but most modern people live spaced out. 575669;1395538489;mircea_popescu;europe is pretty much one single urban area by now 575670;1395538516;asciilifeform;primary was shaped in such a way that it needed 1) the explosive compression and, 2) a certain blast from neutron generator tube - to pop - and (2) would vary in strength based on background 575671;1395538526;decimation;well, the other point is that if the goal of your war is to capture the enemy's resources, destroying those brains in the cities is the way to defeat your own purpose 575672;1395538562;mircea_popescu;seems more practical to just start a facebook campaign 575673;1395538610;decimation;indeed. 575674;1395538636;mircea_popescu;which brings us exactly to why bitcoin is so important. 575675;1395538661;asciilifeform;the folks who originally built these things weren't hoping to conquer anything. they were satisfied with the idea of: glass parking lots, free of untermenschen. 575676;1395538832;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 575677;1395538886;decimation;in retrospect, that seems like a big joke 575678;1395538976;mircea_popescu;that's the chief value of retrospect 575679;1395538981;mircea_popescu;extracts the jokes 575680;1395538999;decimation;like in what respect would the us free of cities be valuable? 575681;1395539006;decimation;are you going to mine some coal and grow corn? 575682;1395539022;decimation;what's the point? they will do that today in exchange for little green peices of fabric 575683;1395539027;asciilifeform;decimation: in what sense is the corpse of the fellow you plug in a duel valuable? 575684;1395539037;asciilifeform;you - him, so he couldn't you. 575685;1395539038;decimation;a trophy I guess 575686;1395539099;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a duel eh ? 575687;1395539100;nubbins`;phew 575688;1395539104;nubbins`;long day 575689;1395539108;mircea_popescu;the ukrainians called a general mobilisation, nobody showed. 575690;1395539110;mircea_popescu;what duel ? 575691;1395539132;decimation;in a duel, you can be certain about the death of the enemy; not so much against the nuclear triad 575692;1395539134;mircea_popescu;if the russians invade alaska the us citizenry would flock there mostly to tweet about it 575693;1395539154;decimation;that logic more than anything explains the lack of nuclear exchange, in my opinion 575694;1395539182;decimation;there would be concern about the rights of the eskimos 575695;1395539189;asciilifeform;somebody should print cloth crib sheets, like the maps given to british officers during the war, but for americans. contents: 'don't shoot - i know secrets!' in 30 languages. 575696;1395539222;mircea_popescu;"don't shoot or i'll unfollow you" 575697;1395539228;asciilifeform;lol 575698;1395539231;nubbins`;heh. 575699;1395539242;joecool;+1 575700;1395539244;mircea_popescu;"i like your nonshooting of myself truly" 575701;1395539268;mircea_popescu;"dead men wash no dishes" / "dead women suck no cock" 575702;1395539276;mircea_popescu;there's plenty. 575703;1395539301;asciilifeform;oldie but goodie. orlov on twittards / silicon valley / etc. - 575704;1395539302;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/07/dead-souls.html 575705;1395539303;ozbot;ClubOrlov: Dead Souls 575706;1395539389;mircea_popescu;and with that i'll bid you all a very good nuclear summer! 575707;1395539442;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 575708;1395539504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00319999 = 0.32 BTC [+] {2} 575709;1395540052;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 123 @ 0.0032 = 0.3936 BTC [+] 575710;1395540113;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 575711;1395540235;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 575712;1395540784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5123 @ 0.00095016 = 4.8677 BTC [+] 575713;1395541821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25637 @ 0.00095214 = 24.41 BTC [+] {3} 575714;1395542614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.11950724 = 1.0756 BTC [-] 575715;1395542675;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.06053355 = 0.5448 BTC [-] {6} 575716;1395543102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.06200108 = 0.558 BTC [-] {5} 575717;1395544871;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 42 @ 0.00330984 = 0.139 BTC [-] {5} 575718;1395546907;Neil;.d 575719;1395546907;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 359 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.2350% in 2d 3h 17m 54s 575720;1395546962;Neil;Shit the last 70-ish blocks have been insanely fast. 575721;1395547128;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 121 @ 0.00324619 = 0.3928 BTC [+] {2} 575722;1395547129;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34719 @ 0.00095313 = 33.0917 BTC [+] {4} 575723;1395547189;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 178 @ 0.003288 = 0.5853 BTC [+] {3} 575724;1395547190;MisterE;where is this letter to SEC? 575725;1395548291;chetty;MisterE: what letter? 575726;1395548344;MisterE;[23:23:48] mircea_popescu: Ghaleon as you approach mastery you'll notice the leet asshole is an epic bridge builder type. 575727;1395548344;MisterE;[23:24:41] Ghaleon: mp, yes, the challenge is finding that person who can build the epic bridges and present the right face... without going insane for long enough this community is doing an awesomejob 575728;1395548347;MisterE;[23:24:57] Ghaleon: your letter to sec was an example of that respectable, legally sound, defiant.. yet friendly 575729;1395548349;MisterE;[23:25:09] mircea_popescu: but im the elitist asshole to end all elitist assholes. 575730;1395548385;MisterE;chetty: thats what I want to know too! 575731;1395548592;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27960 @ 0.00095356 = 26.6615 BTC [+] {3} 575732;1395548892;chetty;MisterE, the whole email exchange is at: 575733;1395548895;chetty;http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/ 575734;1395548895;ozbot;Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 575735;1395548914;MisterE;thanks 575736;1395549357;Neil;.d 575737;1395549357;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 348 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.6670% in 2d 1h 28m 59s 575738;1395550788;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [MS] 31 @ 0.00419948 = 0.1302 BTC [+] {3} 575739;1395550971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.0009537 = 5.15 BTC [+] 575740;1395552618;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19577 @ 0.00095108 = 18.6193 BTC [-] 575741;1395553318;MisterE;hah, love that exchange 575742;1395553334;MisterE;"Senior SEC Lawyer" put in his place nice work! 575743;1395553463;chetty;hopefully people will get the idea and stop shaking in their boots when the gubermint comes calling 575744;1395553472;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00094681 = 2.083 BTC [-] 575745;1395553479;Diablo-D3;what happened? 575746;1395553667;chetty;just rehashing the sec exchange 575747;1395553712;Diablo-D3;I must have missed that to begin with 575748;1395553715;*;Diablo-D3 has been busy the past 3 months 575749;1395553820;chetty;haha well its still this weeks news 575750;1395553826;chetty;http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/ 575751;1395553827;ozbot;Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 575752;1395553960;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00623674 = 0.2682 BTC [+] {4} 575753;1395554692;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15655 @ 0.00094442 = 14.7849 BTC [-] 575754;1395555180;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00628 = 0.1068 BTC [+] 575755;1395555241;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0609995 = 0.122 BTC [+] {2} 575756;1395555302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0619 = 0.2476 BTC [+] 575757;1395556229;MisterE;https://www.havelockinvestments.com/index.php looks like a really pro exchange with the latest news from 15th of last month... 575758;1395556300;KRS-One;not the same since they moved to panama 575759;1395556330;MisterE;so hard keeping track of these dodgy characters 575760;1395556355;MisterE;should be a site dedicated to vetting and tracking exchange owners 575761;1395556644;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00094552 = 22.5979 BTC [+] 575762;1395557298;chetty;MisterE, that would be more than a full time job 575763;1395557376;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07548966 = 0.3774 BTC [+] 575764;1395557448;MisterE;indeed, if only there were an organization already in place who could take on such a mission... 575765;1395557482;MisterE;too bad BCF is so irrelevant 575766;1395557632;MisterE;for weekend these markets are absolutely flat 575767;1395557634;MisterE;dead calm 575768;1395557650;MisterE;I'm beginning to think crypto has jumped the near-term shark 575769;1395557739;MisterE;LTC on Huobi dump destroyed a lot of n00bs who could have been milked for years instead of in one big dump but nobody thinks long-term 575770;1395557998;chetty;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/world/asia/nsa-breached-chinese-servers-seen-as-spy-peril.html?hp&_r=0 575771;1395558285;cazalla;MisterE: I don't think the Chinese care for it, majority of the volume is still on btc-e, I figure coblee kicked this off on his brother's exchange just so he could sell without fees or risk 575772;1395558291;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 314 @ 0.00546 = 1.7144 BTC [-] 575773;1395558338;MisterE;yep cazalla China dumped on BTC-e 575774;1395558373;MisterE;I sold at 19.5 just before it went live, I told people to buy the hype sell the news but I know a lot of bag holders and people that got burned 575775;1395558449;cazalla;I'm not game to go near it or btc-e now 575776;1395558522;MisterE;I have fiat sitting in BTC-e now and have been increasingly thinking I need to do something about that 575777;1395558657;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00094552 = 4.8694 BTC [+] 575778;1395558681;MisterE;cazalla: no matter where you trade there is manipulation so might as well trade on the exchange where it mostly happens so you can see it 575779;1395558687;MisterE;this has been my thinking 575780;1395558749;MisterE;Even the simplest of tricks I se often like putting up a big wall and when the market starts moving canceling the order 575781;1395558806;cazalla;I don't anymore, not that what I did before was trading, more gambling 575782;1395558872;MisterE;oh I dont kid myself I know it's "calculated gambling" at best 575783;1395558878;MisterE;so where do I go from here? 575784;1395558893;cazalla;i stuck everything into cold storage 575785;1395558905;cazalla;it's a wonder i made it this far without being fleeced tbh 575786;1395558906;MisterE;I see 575787;1395558925;MisterE;yea there are so many people better at the game than me 575788;1395558941;cazalla;i've had coins in every scam 575789;1395558948;cazalla;not that i knew it at the time 575790;1395558962;cazalla;always seemed to cash out at the right time 575791;1395558976;MisterE;luck follows some of us 575792;1395559002;cazalla;yeah, i'm not game to push it any longer, i buy, put most into cold storage and save a little for some have some fun with it shit bets on bitbet 575793;1395559051;MisterE;I'm good at the craps table because I play a very conservative game, max odds and try to bet the trends, I'm up ~$15k in my lifetime and I was sort of feeling the same way abotu crypto, I'm doing OK but could all go to hell in one game 575794;1395559242;cazalla;works until it doesn't eh 575795;1395559277;cazalla;i'm not big on gambling, only bet on bitbet because most prop bets are bitcoin related and it's a bit of fun 575796;1395559319;MisterE;how's your bitbet roi? :) 575797;1395559344;cazalla;most are pending, i'm 3/3 so far 575798;1395559420;cazalla;i only bet small though so it's nothing to get excited about even if i won every bet 575799;1395559477;MisterE;I wonder how much traffic they are getting 575800;1395559516;cazalla;117k alex rank, my guess would be 2500-5000 uniques a day? 575801;1395559526;MisterE;http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitbet.com 575802;1395559545;MisterE;309k 575803;1395559560;cazalla;wrong site 575804;1395559565;cazalla;http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitbet.us 575805;1395559616;MisterE;ahhh 575806;1395559633;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 575807;1395559634;MisterE;thats better 575808;1395559683;cazalla;where are you from MisterE? it's usually quiet in here at this time, any chance australia or down this way? 575809;1395559704;MisterE;I'm US but live in Asia for many years 575810;1395559721;MisterE;yea most of my IRC friends are Aussies 575811;1395559746;MisterE;because we're awake at the same time and you seem to be one of the few countries left who can stand us :P 575812;1395559778;cazalla;moot says 95% of the shit posters on 4chan are from australia 575813;1395559815;cazalla;i don't mind yanks but we call you guys seppos when you're here 575814;1395559829;MisterE;Well I dunno about your younger generation, you sound like an adult :D 575815;1395559838;MisterE;yea seppo is the term 575816;1395559845;MisterE;pommies 575817;1395559847;MisterE;kiwis 575818;1395559850;MisterE;Jocks 575819;1395559897;cazalla;although we're becoming more PC 575820;1395559899;cazalla;http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/22085122/charge-over-nic-nat-slurs/ 575821;1395559914;cazalla;can't even call a guy a nigger anymore without being arrested 575822;1395559958;cazalla;tackling cyber bullying is a big thing here nowadays 575823;1395559969;MisterE;Yeah, what is the major malfunction with your cops sheesh? http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/after-snowden-australias-cops-worry-about-people-using-crypto/ 575824;1395560039;cazalla;it's fucked but that seems to be occurring in every country now 575825;1395560078;MisterE;Yea but you and the Kiwis and sometimes the Canuks were the rational ones usually 575826;1395560113;MisterE;you've all been poisoned by USA FUD 575827;1395560128;cazalla;liberal SJW fud 575828;1395560149;MisterE;sjw? 575829;1395560164;MisterE;labour is out right? 575830;1395560181;MisterE;you have a conservative government now iirc? 575831;1395560182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9177 @ 0.0009507 = 8.7246 BTC [+] 575832;1395560194;cazalla;social justice warrior 575833;1395560202;cazalla;liberal in australia means something else to liberal in america 575834;1395560231;MisterE;there is no liberal in the US anymore 575835;1395560243;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6334998 BTC [+] 575836;1395560255;MisterE;it's shifted so far to the right that conservatives of old would not even have a place in the spectrum anymore 575837;1395560268;cazalla;i thought it was leftist? 575838;1395560272;cazalla;like it is here 575839;1395560294;dub;liberal in australia means you marry more than one farm animal 575840;1395560306;cazalla;oh shots fired 575841;1395560312;MisterE;dub: thought that was a scouser thing? 575842;1395560418;MisterE;cazalla: a lot of it is because of our primaries system 575843;1395560426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61000151 BTC [-] 575844;1395560431;MisterE;not much participation by any but the extremists 575845;1395560440;MisterE;so candidates cater to them 575846;1395560459;MisterE;and the party determines who to back with like 1% of the base voting at primaries 575847;1395560475;MisterE;then after the primary they try to broaden their message to appeal to more people 575848;1395560487;cazalla;i am finding a lot of people my age no longer care, don't even bother voting even though it's compulsory 575849;1395560494;MisterE;but we have to satisfy the whackos because they man the gates to power 575850;1395560517;MisterE;thats really sad to hear about AU 575851;1395560527;MisterE;in US I can understand voter apathy 575852;1395560533;MisterE;your country is hardly as fucked up 575853;1395560549;cazalla;2 party system here, both are the same 575854;1395560642;MisterE;at least it's not first pass the post system 575855;1395560680;MisterE;this is excellent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo 575856;1395560731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14173 @ 0.00094955 = 13.458 BTC [-] 575857;1395560894;usaoscoin;.bait 575858;1395560895;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/d2a27e3ad789b8ad6e744419c0bb0c0d/tumblr_mrwdi7jVwf1qz9pzzo1_500.jpg 575859;1395561004;cazalla;i would vote for snake because at least he is honest about who and what he is 575860;1395561032;cazalla;seriously though, i don't care anymore 575861;1395561062;cazalla;one party wins, they'll rule for 2 periods and then we will swap to the other team for 2 periods and on it goes 575862;1395561115;cazalla;the last election was pretty much won on who would be tougher on boat people 575863;1395561152;cazalla;so we vote for whoever will keep them out yet no politician is game to get up and say he will sink the boats and feed the people to the sharks 575864;1395561177;cazalla;meanwhile, most illegals come by plane anyway 575865;1395561414;MisterE;what do you mean cazalla ? 575866;1395561428;MisterE;if they come by plane they are turned back at immigration? 575867;1395561435;MisterE;or you mean covertly from PNG? 575868;1395561463;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9422 @ 0.00094914 = 8.9428 BTC [-] {2} 575869;1395561465;cazalla;overstaying visas etc 575870;1395561472;MisterE;oic 575871;1395561491;MisterE;is there no efort to locate people who overstay? 575872;1395561503;MisterE;when the cops stop them for something don't they get caught? 575873;1395561529;MisterE;boat people are coming from Indo? 575874;1395561576;cazalla;i'm sure they try to catch them but it's like finding a needle in a haystack 575875;1395561602;MisterE;oh lots of people work 'off the books' there right? 575876;1395561606;cazalla;not even that many people come by boat 575877;1395561609;MisterE;paid cash 575878;1395561611;cazalla;yeah, they do 575879;1395561618;MisterE;ok I remember now 575880;1395561624;MisterE;you anywhere near Bris? 575881;1395561631;cazalla;other way, Melbourne 575882;1395561632;MisterE;got a couple mates around there 575883;1395561638;MisterE;ok 575884;1395561647;cazalla;most people here don't share my views though 575885;1395561657;cazalla;they're happy to be flooded by immigrants 575886;1395561659;MisterE;howso? 575887;1395561665;MisterE;cheap labor? 575888;1395561667;cazalla;meanwhile, 85% of asylum seekers here don't have a job after 5 years 575889;1395561672;cazalla;because they have white guilt 575890;1395561679;cazalla;welfare system in this country is being bled dry 575891;1395561679;MisterE;ahh interesting 575892;1395561691;MisterE;but not by the aboriginals? 575893;1395561698;MisterE;by aliens? 575894;1395561704;cazalla;abos are a minority really 575895;1395561707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00095109 = 20.7338 BTC [+] {2} 575896;1395561711;cazalla;but they too leech the system 575897;1395561726;MisterE;not that I'm particularly happy the welfare system is paying into aboriginals and decimating the culture but... not my country 575898;1395561740;MisterE;they are the only deserving leeches 575899;1395561747;MisterE;they were there first and all 575900;1395561754;cazalla;so you've got middle class tax payer upset that immigrants, asylum seekers, illegals etc etc are flooding the country, draining the welfare system while they pay for it in increased taxes, gov sells off it's assets to pay for people that don't even belong here 575901;1395561785;cazalla;abos have been given more than any other people in this country MisterE 575902;1395561788;MisterE;anyone else so comes from abroad should not be able to get benefits even if they can't show they are there legally or a citizen 575903;1395561792;cazalla;free housing, free land, free everything 575904;1395561805;MisterE;yea those handouts are curses in disguise 575905;1395561810;cazalla;they are 575906;1395561814;MisterE;look at the US indian reservations for examples 575907;1395561818;cazalla;they are totally dependent on the system 575908;1395561825;MisterE;it's a disaster 575909;1395561832;MisterE;alcholism rampant 575910;1395561839;MisterE;alcoholism* 575911;1395561858;MisterE;ofc the reservations are in the shittiest places where there is no work 575912;1395561861;cazalla;which fuels the hate people like me have towards them 575913;1395561870;cazalla;as the middle class see them getting something we're not plus we pay for it 575914;1395561877;Diablo-D3;I think reservations should be ended to be honest 575915;1395561885;Diablo-D3;you have many rights as an american 575916;1395561898;cazalla;if it was an even playing field, i probably wouldn't be so hostile to them like most australian's are 575917;1395561900;Diablo-D3;growing up in an environment that isnt 24/7 drugs, rape, and whatnot is one of them 575918;1395561932;Diablo-D3;its appalling what some americans do to others, and then make them think it was their idea 575919;1395561976;cazalla;Diablo-D3: the australian government removed indigenous children from homes like that, 50 years later, lawsuits everywhere 575920;1395561984;MisterE;Why are you hostile to the people who just want a better life? You should be pissed at your representatives in Sydney who are making policy on how to handle it and I guess believe in handouts for people who can't vote? 575921;1395561985;Diablo-D3;cazalla: they did it here 575922;1395561989;Diablo-D3;lawsuits here as well 575923;1395561989;MisterE;that sounds hard to believe 575924;1395561998;Diablo-D3;but its because they DIDNT go to better homes 575925;1395562007;Diablo-D3;and they were denied the birthright of their own culture 575926;1395562009;Diablo-D3;what Im saying is 575927;1395562016;Diablo-D3;treat native americans like the americans they are 575928;1395562024;Diablo-D3;no free pass just because they're native american 575929;1395562026;cazalla;MisterE: they don't want a better life, they want to live in the bush as they did before the British came here, I am happy for them to do that, government is not and they keep throwing money at them 575930;1395562053;cazalla;MisterE: and I'm hostile (some would say hateful) because I am paying for it as is the rest of the middle class and we're jack of it 575931;1395562055;Diablo-D3;cazalla: yes, and thats because they've been brainwashed by people who dont have their best interests in mind 575932;1395562071;Diablo-D3;its okay to go back to the land, as long as you do responsibly 575933;1395562077;Diablo-D3;I almost do as much 575934;1395562079;MisterE;Diablo-D3: Americans are some of the worst most uncaring people I've ever met and I'm pretty well travelled everywhere except Europe and North Asia / Russia 575935;1395562088;Diablo-D3;MisterE: some are, some arent 575936;1395562100;Diablo-D3;Im American, Ive never been accused of being uncaring 575937;1395562127;MisterE;If Katrina had hit The Hamptons you think people would be drowning in their second story homes? 575938;1395562143;MisterE;they care just not about the poor 575939;1395562150;MisterE;who are constantly shafted 575940;1395562165;cazalla;MisterE: pointless being pissed at the politicians who enable them because my vote makes no difference and they don't care once they are in office anyway 575941;1395562178;MisterE;Diablo-D3: American here too just living abroad 575942;1395562226;MisterE;OK it's impossible to change shit in the US at the ballot box because it's corporate owned but shit you still have a functioning democracy you could make use of 575943;1395562244;cazalla;anyway, i think the situation is too far gone here in Australia as it likely has in the rest of the world 575944;1395562249;MisterE;vote the bums out organize 575945;1395562254;MisterE;nobody does it eh? 575946;1395562264;MisterE;wow 575947;1395562278;MisterE;I had no idea there was that uch frustration 575948;1395562289;cazalla;you can't because they destroyed our homogeneous society by bringing in boat loads of people who don't share the culture, don't care for the country but have their hand out for welfare 575949;1395562319;cazalla;MisterE: welfare is a massive problem here 575950;1395562335;MisterE;so vote in politicians who will reign in the welfare? 575951;1395562344;cazalla;something like 1 in 4 Australian's get welfare 575952;1395562359;cazalla;every 2nd person has a back problem or some bullshit for disability 575953;1395562365;MisterE;cutting welfare costs is non an unpopular topic for campaigns in the US 575954;1395562380;MisterE;oh so everyone is in the tit 575955;1395562386;MisterE;in/on* 575956;1395562387;cazalla;MisterE: current politician is "reviewing it" 575957;1395562394;MisterE;lol yea 575958;1395562397;cazalla;but they won't do anything because that many people get welfare now that it's political suicide 575959;1395562398;MisterE;perpetual review 575960;1395562420;cazalla;plus with an aging populace 575961;1395562422;cazalla;we're just so fucked 575962;1395562424;MisterE;start running up a debt like the US and you'll be foreced to 575963;1395562432;MisterE;oh you got a baby boom too? 575964;1395562440;cazalla;boomers are about to retire 575965;1395562446;cazalla;no-one my age is getting married or having kids 575966;1395562447;Dimsler;about to? 575967;1395562450;Dimsler;they are already retiring 575968;1395562450;Dimsler;wtf 575969;1395562455;MisterE;you 20-30? 575970;1395562461;cazalla;31 575971;1395562467;MisterE;man thats fucked 575972;1395562480;MisterE;they've left you a nice mess 575973;1395562487;cazalla;Dimsler: some 575974;1395562494;cazalla;many still in the workforce though 575975;1395562510;cazalla;but they're hanging around for as long as they can because the pension isn't enough to sustain them 575976;1395562511;MisterE;at least it is not as big and bad as the mess US baby boomers are leaving to their grandchildren 575977;1395562542;MisterE;the golden years 575978;1395562559;MisterE;burned up with doctor visits and working part-time after a long life of toiling for the corps 575979;1395562562;MisterE;fuck that 575980;1395562567;MisterE;I'd be disallusioned too 575981;1395562577;MisterE;disillusioned* 575982;1395562622;cazalla;plus we have some of the most expensive property in the world 575983;1395562630;MisterE;Enjoy life now when you're young and can, leave a decent looking corpse is basically my retirement plan 575984;1395562662;cazalla;how old are you MisterE 575985;1395562662;MisterE;that property should be held by the members of that homogenous society you mentioned no? 575986;1395562665;MisterE;thats power 575987;1395562674;cazalla;of course but we're our own worst enemy 575988;1395562684;cazalla;Chinese come here and offer big bucks and who's going to refuse that? 575989;1395562691;MisterE;older than you but not enough to be your father 575990;1395562704;cazalla;big problem with that here - locals being pushed out by Chinese who bid 20% over asking price at auction 575991;1395562737;MisterE;oh that should be stopped ASAP you can't have foreign counties buying up your country 575992;1395562739;cazalla;depsite all that, it's a great country :) 575993;1395562752;MisterE;because there's not a ton of livable land 575994;1395562762;MisterE;those chinese dont want to live in the bush 575995;1395562785;MisterE;strict rules on land ownership here because of that 575996;1395562879;cazalla;MisterE, when I was 20, I thought ideas like social justice, equality, peace etc etc were good ideas, now that I'm in my 30s, I find myself hoping for a catalyst that would bring about a nationalist party to power, that's a big change in just a decade 575997;1395562901;MisterE;yea 180 575998;1395562910;cazalla;i don't see how else you can unite a people and kick out the leeches 575999;1395562920;MisterE;I used to be a crusader and activist int he US in my 20s 576000;1395562938;MisterE;I gave up in my 30s and got disgusted and ben out for 8 years now 576001;1395562962;cazalla;hopefully hitler reincarnate will come back here, appropriate everything foreign owned, send the refugees back home (85% without a job, still on welfare after 5 years? fuck that) 576002;1395562980;MisterE;I had a consulting company that paid a lot of tax and saw it all going to fight those wars and what not, no thankyou 576003;1395563038;cazalla;it's not right, is it 576004;1395563066;cazalla;i'm jack of it and i suspect there are a growing number of people like me from the middle class who won't put up with it for much longer 576005;1395563074;MisterE;no and I can't find anywhere in the world better 576006;1395563086;MisterE;I'm mobile, single, can work remotely and financially secure 576007;1395563112;MisterE;there's not a place I can think of to live that's not fucked one way or another 576008;1395563131;MisterE;So I'm usually based in Thailand 576009;1395563135;bounce;well, wasn't it the /national/ government that fscked it all up so bad? 576010;1395563140;MisterE;because at least here its lawlwess 576011;1395563164;MisterE;cant blam the govs only imho people have come to expect too much from gov 576012;1395563176;MisterE;what happened to taking care of your own shit and self responsibility 576013;1395563197;bounce;well, what do you think happened to it? 576014;1395563208;MisterE;saving used to be good now if your credit cards aren't maxed you're not a patriot 576015;1395563229;MisterE;traded out for short-term gains I guess bounce 576016;1395563237;MisterE;short-sighted* 576017;1395563245;bounce;you take care of yourself, pay taxes, gov't takes care of those who can't help themselves with "free money". then more and more people want in on the free monies, and so it goes. 576018;1395563254;cazalla;bounce: conservative values were destroyed and here we are, least that is what i see it as, evils of feminism and all that 576019;1395563280;MisterE;feminism backfired in some big ways eh? 576020;1395563283;cazalla;it was shameful to take welfare once upon a time 576021;1395563291;cazalla;now it's like, whatever 576022;1395563292;bounce;talking in -isms won't help you, seeing how those got us there in the first place 576023;1395563293;MisterE;now it takes 2 incomes to qualify for a home loan lol 576024;1395563300;MisterE;suckered at every turn 576025;1395563337;cazalla;no wonder men prefer to sit in their parents basement playing video games 576026;1395563370;MisterE;yea, given the human condition as I see it it's understandable 576027;1395563374;MisterE;and then there is IRC 576028;1395563376;MisterE;and beet 576029;1395563381;MisterE;beer* 576030;1395563382;MisterE;and 576031;1395563384;MisterE;.bait 576032;1395563386;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/b0e860a2b5b8b71036335f5a6c1c50e9/tumblr_mgfvmks0FY1qm2q0lo1_500.jpg 576033;1395563406;cazalla;well, i've been drinking hence the shit spewing out of my mouth 576034;1395563408;bounce;I think you both are wallowing in the same kind of feeling put upon that got the activists up before and had them change the gov't and such more to their liking 576035;1395563425;cazalla;i usually keep my mouth shut in here while sober 576036;1395563440;MisterE;If there were a real grass roots movement I would go back to the US to be a part of it 576037;1395563461;cazalla;bounce: you're right, i have a whinge, jerk off and go to bed 576038;1395563467;MisterE;that occupy wall street hippy thing was not it 576039;1395563475;MisterE;lol 576040;1395563485;MisterE;fucking life sucks if this is good as it gets 576041;1395563524;cazalla;oh i have a good life 576042;1395563531;MisterE;What we really need is a war to kill off like 10% 576043;1395563535;cazalla;i feel it's being threatened 576044;1395563537;MisterE;harsh but its true 576045;1395563546;bounce;would you be part of that 10%? 576046;1395563555;cazalla;i was just about to say that 576047;1395563562;cazalla;just like those who call for population control 576048;1395563562;MisterE;the remaining 90 will suddenly remember what is important in life and we'll have another generation or 2 of harmony 576049;1395563577;cazalla;oh, how about you go and get sterilised? oh, they didn't mean themselves, just others 576050;1395563583;MisterE;bounce: depends on the cause 576051;1395563606;bounce;the cause of making some elitist jerk the new king of the hill, what else? 576052;1395563612;cazalla;i don't think this conversation would fly in here during peak hours 576053;1395563621;MisterE;heh no? 576054;1395563634;cazalla;i sorta feel i'm shitting where i eat heh 576055;1395563636;bounce;but at least it's /your/ jerk for king of the hill 576056;1395563670;MisterE;I'm never here so I don't know but I thought pretty much politics and intelligent exchange of ideas is OK 576057;1395563677;cazalla;anyway, going to make some dinner 576058;1395563686;MisterE;haha 576059;1395563715;cazalla;MisterE: it is but i only talk when drunk and unlikely to say anything intelligible then 576060;1395563758;MisterE;naah I learned a lot about how Austrailians think and whats really going on there from this chat 576061;1395563766;MisterE;valuable to me 576062;1395564311;cazalla;MisterE: I would only get away talking like this at the pub, not in general public, there are just as many who would disagree with me but they typically want to pile on for the free shit from the government 576063;1395564391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00094525 = 18.2433 BTC [-] {2} 576064;1395564394;MisterE;you know the US libertarian ideal? 576065;1395564414;MisterE;that always seemed to be the kind of state you guys had managed to make 576066;1395564471;MisterE;now I hear the welfare has messed it up like the UK, maybe followed that model. 576067;1395564491;MisterE;instead of welfare give free college education or something 576068;1395564644;cazalla;we have that already 576069;1395564662;cazalla;most people take a loan and never pay it back so it is effectively free 576070;1395564740;chetty;is there actually anywhere in the world left thats not pretty much a welfare state? 576071;1395564742;cazalla;MisterE: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/21/australias-unsustainable-welfare-system-to-be-overhauled-says-minister 576072;1395564744;cazalla;"The overview shows the number of people receiving government payments in 2012 was 5,033,323, with the age pension making up almost half that number at 2,282,592" 576073;1395564758;cazalla;population of Australia is like 22million 576074;1395564782;cazalla;so 1 in 4, 1 in 5 receive welfare 576075;1395564826;cazalla;you can get on disability for shit like depression here 576076;1395564837;cazalla;almost makes you want to say fuck it, get a payment and use it to buy bitcoins 576077;1395564873;chetty;isnt US welfare actually more than min wage now? 576078;1395564912;cazalla;I would guess Australia welfare pays better than Walmart 576079;1395565012;MisterE;US welfare ain't that great 576080;1395565018;MisterE;it used to be more cushy 576081;1395565022;MisterE;but reagan cut that shit 576082;1395565055;MisterE;was pretty harsh people coming off some things like mental health services took a beating but it's evened out since 576083;1395565064;chetty;hasn't O pretty much put it back? 576084;1395565072;MisterE;it's still not very great but you have to be trying to work or something and its not endless 576085;1395565095;MisterE;did O change it? I didn't think so 576086;1395565104;MisterE;maybe an injection from "stimulus"? 576087;1395565109;MisterE;but that'd be 1 time 576088;1395565122;chetty;yeah he cut the looking for work stuff 576089;1395565130;MisterE;oh really? 576090;1395565136;MisterE;I liked that part 576091;1395565200;MisterE;Either way you're screwed in the US, this pretty much sums it up: http://i.imgur.com/PPzfayh.jpg 576092;1395565209;MisterE;pic worth 1k words and all 576093;1395565277;HeySteve2;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-30/other-america-taxpayers-are-fools-working-stupid 576094;1395565278;ozbot;The Other America: "Taxpayers Are The Fools... Working Is Stupid" | Zero Hedge 576095;1395565358;chetty;ugh, and I just finished my tax return 576096;1395565672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00094884 = 31.881 BTC [+] 576097;1395565733;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00095166 = 24.4577 BTC [+] {2} 576098;1395567929;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07292002 = 1.823 BTC [-] {4} 576099;1395568173;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.073 = 0.73 BTC [+] 576100;1395568661;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.073 = 0.73 BTC [+] 576101;1395569820;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62509 BTC [+] 576102;1395569821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9447 @ 0.00094923 = 8.9674 BTC [-] 576103;1395570003;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.63499989 = 5.08 BTC [+] {6} 576104;1395570064;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.63910534 = 17.8949 BTC [+] {5} 576105;1395570126;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.006289 = 0.3145 BTC [+] {2} 576106;1395570247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00629027 = 0.5032 BTC [+] {5} 576107;1395570308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.0063 = 0.1071 BTC [+] {2} 576108;1395571040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.003161 = 0.1991 BTC [+] {2} 576109;1395571101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 128 @ 0.00316 = 0.4045 BTC [-] {2} 576110;1395571102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 320 @ 0.00082435 = 0.2638 BTC [-] {4} 576111;1395571772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00094923 = 0.4746 BTC [-] 576112;1395572016;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 500 @ 0.00095174 = 0.4759 BTC [+] 576113;1395572714;mircea_popescu;MisterE except the only exchange owner we know is me, and so i guess you can use trilema for that purpose. 576114;1395572812;mircea_popescu;MisterE: LTC on Huobi dump destroyed a lot of n00bs who could have been milked for years instead of in one big dump but nobody thinks long-term << no, you don't understand. destroying scams IS thinking long term. 576115;1395572843;mircea_popescu;this isn't supposed to be a "milking noobs for years" thing, and it's not supposed to be either accessible to or productive for the sort of car salesman that thinks himself a financier now. 576116;1395572878;mircea_popescu;so in general expect pump and dumps to be punctured randomly and outside of the originator's control going forward, so as to hurt the originator and his friends. 576117;1395573053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13680 @ 0.00095045 = 13.0022 BTC [-] {2} 576118;1395573784;chetty;Russia has amassed enough forces on Ukraines border to reach the dispute region of Transnistria, NATOs top military commander told a conference in Brussels on Sunday, Reuters reported. 576119;1395573860;mircea_popescu;or, for that matter, paris. 576120;1395574239;mircea_popescu;;;later tell heysteve2 "I believe every caller on talk radio, just like I believe every story on zh." << there you go. it's like playboy forum by now. 576121;1395574239;gribble;The operation succeeded. 576122;1395574395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2487 @ 0.00013 = 0.3233 BTC [-] {4} 576123;1395574427;Neil;Geez the last 60 blocks have been in half-time 576124;1395574480;mircea_popescu;;;estimate 576125;1395574482;gribble;Next difficulty estimate | 4939815404.41 based on data since last change | 5576146819.12 based on data for last three days 576126;1395574487;mircea_popescu;whoa. 576127;1395574493;Neil;.d 576128;1395574493;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 278 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.1945% in 1d 14h 41m 28s 576129;1395574506;mircea_popescu;bitcoin network, always surprising. 576130;1395574517;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3459 @ 0.00047535 = 1.6442 BTC [-] {5} 576131;1395574526;Neil;At some stage people are gonna stop throwing money at mining. Amazes me how long it's taking though. 576132;1395574561;Neil;Just difficulty stabilization is gonna be a minor supply shock in bitcoin land. 576133;1395574577;mircea_popescu;that's why the throwing money isn't stopping, i'd guess. 576134;1395574578;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05933366 = 0.356 BTC [-] {4} 576135;1395574597;mircea_popescu;but anyway, the us spends what, 100bn on defense a year ? 576136;1395574606;Neil;mircea_popescu: And prices are down 50%. I'd have expected that to be a damper. 576137;1395574608;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is much more than the us, why shouldn't it spend much more ? 576138;1395574619;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone cares about the spot 576139;1395574624;mircea_popescu;which explains why we have such a shitty spot 576140;1395574639;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.062 = 0.372 BTC [-] {3} 576141;1395574641;Neil;Miners must do, unless they're spending savings and not selling what they mine 576142;1395574656;mircea_popescu;;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 60 / 6 576143;1395574657;gribble;31709.7919838 576144;1395574662;mircea_popescu;31k spent per block 576145;1395574672;mircea_popescu;;;calc 31/25 576146;1395574673;gribble;1.24 576147;1395574700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.11950724 = 0.717 BTC [-] 576148;1395574704;mircea_popescu;fun fact : any point btc is over 1240 usd, the bitcoin network is spending more for its own security than the united states government spends on defense. 576149;1395574730;Neil;10**11 is what, 100 billion? 576150;1395574740;Neil;They spend more than that no? 576151;1395574764;mircea_popescu;nope. 576152;1395574770;mircea_popescu;bout there, 100ish. 576153;1395574807;Neil;Your calc is wrong 576154;1395574816;mircea_popescu;they ususally are 576155;1395574819;mircea_popescu;what'd i do this time ? 576156;1395574819;Neil;60/6 should be (60/6) 576157;1395574835;Neil;;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 10 576158;1395574835;gribble;1141552.51142 576159;1395574852;mircea_popescu;awww 576160;1395574859;mircea_popescu;but right you are! 576161;1395574866;Neil;;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 6 rather 576162;1395574866;gribble;Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1) 576163;1395574870;Neil;;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 6 576164;1395574871;gribble;1902587.51903 576165;1395574902;Neil;;;calc 10**11 / 365 / 24 / 6 / 25 576166;1395574902;gribble;76103.500761 576167;1395574907;Neil;So $76k per coin 576168;1395574932;Neil;If it gets to $76k I'm long retired on a sunny island 576169;1395574943;mircea_popescu;im not. 576170;1395575007;mircea_popescu;;;calc 60 / 6 / (60/6) 576171;1395575007;gribble;1 576172;1395575013;mircea_popescu;um... 576173;1395575027;mircea_popescu;so then 60 / 6 = (60 / 6) ? 576174;1395575040;mircea_popescu;whereas! 576175;1395575057;mircea_popescu;;;calc (1/60 / 6) / (1/ (60/6)) 576176;1395575057;gribble;0.0277777777778 576177;1395575062;mircea_popescu;whereas 576178;1395575065;Neil;But I'll still log on to bitcoin-assets from said sunny island, I promise! 576179;1395575080;mircea_popescu;;;calc 76103.500761 / 1.24 576180;1395575080;gribble;61373.7909363 576181;1395575156;Neil;mircea_popescu: Judging from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States and adding 3 yrs of inflation I think we're closer to 10 ** 12. 576182;1395575180;mircea_popescu;i recall recently seeing the us budget, and it was 100ish 576183;1395575183;Neil;Call it $500k per BTC. 576184;1395575191;mircea_popescu;and you don't ADD inflation, because you're not in 2009 dollars today. 576185;1395575198;mircea_popescu;you substract inflation from the 2009 figures 576186;1395575222;Neil;I'm sure they're spending more not less. 576187;1395575233;MisterE;not calling the whole LTC on Huobi thing a scam just very heavily manipulated but all markets are manipulated so... The writing was on the wall for me luckily I guess. 576188;1395575250;MisterE;And I mean the "milking the n00bs" coment tongue in cheek 576189;1395575256;MisterE;meant* 576190;1395575258;Neil;What's been happening with LTC? Still at 0.027-20.028; what's changed? 576191;1395575272;MisterE;15.65 lol 576192;1395575272;Neil;0.027-0.028 576193;1395575277;MisterE;dead calm 576194;1395575283;mircea_popescu;Neil fuck me you're right http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/presidential-budget-2015/ 576195;1395575289;mircea_popescu;MisterE im just a hater 576196;1395575348;mircea_popescu;;;calc 495.6 * 10**9 / 365 / 24 / 6 / 25 576197;1395575348;gribble;377168.949772 576198;1395575356;mircea_popescu;that's the official, definitive, correct figure. 377k. 576199;1395575372;Neil;Someone's added some fsck-off hashpower to the network in the last 2 days. 576200;1395575378;mircea_popescu;yeah. 576201;1395575384;Neil;They're coming out every 5mins on average. 576202;1395575388;mircea_popescu;the us and the chinese :D 576203;1395575396;mircea_popescu;gotta spend that half trn somehow 576204;1395575417;MisterE;what are you hating on MP? 576205;1395575430;mircea_popescu;tongue in cheek comment! 576206;1395575434;mircea_popescu;see, you can't spot them either! 576207;1395575437;*;MisterE here you go: http://imgur.com/gallery/wmHpE 576208;1395575443;MisterE;:p 576209;1395575626;mircea_popescu;;;later tell asciilifeform "Social networking and mobile computing are hot" dude this orlov guy... 576210;1395575626;gribble;The operation succeeded. 576211;1395575727;Duffer1;MP link? 576212;1395575737;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 328 @ 0.000835 = 0.2739 BTC [-] 576213;1395575739;mircea_popescu;http://cluborlov.blogspot.ro/2011/07/dead-souls.html 576214;1395575739;ozbot;ClubOrlov: Dead Souls 576215;1395575742;Duffer1;you've mentioned orlov a few times 576216;1395575744;Duffer1;thanks 576217;1395575759;mircea_popescu;some strange ideas in there, and most of it oldman nonsense. there's no absolute limit to physical development. 576218;1395575774;Duffer1;oh is he the fuffles guy? 576219;1395575781;mircea_popescu;and no, i don't mention him, other people keep mentioning him, like herbi and ascii. i thnk he's mostly clueless and generally vain. 576220;1395575790;mircea_popescu;bezzle / fuffel ? yeah 576221;1395575794;Duffer1;i see 576222;1395575849;mircea_popescu;tho both concepts are in general currency ( http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2008/12/16/madoff-galbraith-and-the-bezzle/ ) 576223;1395575873;mircea_popescu;and i don't think orlov even uses the latter, just, a current russian expression ascii explained in english at some point 576224;1395575941;mircea_popescu;i suppose properly bezzle should be traced back to gailbrath, cca 1929 576225;1395575957;mircea_popescu;galbraith* 576226;1395576153;mircea_popescu;anyway, turns out this was obviously not a serious piece, so i guess teaches me to protest before finishing an article. 576227;1395576591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.059394 = 0.1188 BTC [+] {2} 576228;1395576900;Neil;Well BTC > $10k bet suddenly became lopsided this week. 576229;1395577689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 72 @ 0.00546 = 0.3931 BTC [-] 576230;1395577812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0061001 = 0.61 BTC [-] 576231;1395578055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.639001 BTC [-] 576232;1395578116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 287 @ 0.00526144 = 1.51 BTC [-] {9} 576233;1395578177;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10515 @ 0.00095174 = 10.0075 BTC [+] 576234;1395578380;mircea_popescu;http://imgur.com/gallery/eOeppfc 576235;1395578380;ozbot;Bill Cosby speaking the truf. Bippity Bop - Imgur 576236;1395578396;mircea_popescu;Neil yeah heavy on no nao 576237;1395578454;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520882.msg5854744#msg5854744 576238;1395578456;ozbot;Interacting with fiat institutions [such as the SEC], a guide 576239;1395578456;mircea_popescu;owch 576240;1395578716;mircea_popescu;jurov so is fico winning ? 576241;1395579092;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07270326 = 0.1454 BTC [-] 576242;1395581105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.0009527 = 35.4881 BTC [+] {4} 576243;1395581123;mircea_popescu;;;google famous jewish rabies 576244;1395581124;gribble;Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jewish history/Archive 4 - Wikipedia, the ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Jewish_history/Archive_4>; Ayatollah Ali Khamenei: Israel Is a 'Rabid Dog' | Jewish ... - Algemeiner: <http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/11/20/ayatollah-ali-khamenei-israel-is-a-%E2%80%98rabid-dog%E2%80%99/>; JCR-UK - Susser Archive - History of the (1 more message) 576245;1395581252;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/heres-a-thought-being-bitcoin-is-more-of-a-something-to-be-than-being-jewish-ever-was-or-could-ever-be/ 576246;1395581253;ozbot;Here’s a thought : being Bitcoin is more of a something to be than being Jewish ever was or could 576247;1395581434;MisterE;haha and BCF hate at the end love it 576248;1395581464;MisterE;I dont go on bitcointalk forum much such a time sink 576249;1395581532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.639 = 5.112 BTC [-] 576250;1395582020;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62000005 = 1.24 BTC [-] {2} 576251;1395583179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49574 @ 0.00095281 = 47.2346 BTC [+] {4} 576252;1395583677;ThickAsThieves;<Neil> Someone's added some fsck-off hashpower to the network in the last 2 days. /// probly ASICMINER stuff 576253;1395583929;VanCleef;nah not asicminer 576254;1395583936;VanCleef;they're dying 576255;1395583948;artifexd;ThickAsThieves Do you know anyone running the altcoin testnet that I can connect to? 576256;1395584018;ThickAsThieves;i dont think anyone runs one 576257;1395584047;mircea_popescu;pretty sure blue matt was at some point 576258;1395584057;artifexd;lol 576259;1395584106;artifexd;I guess I get to test code in production, as it were. 576260;1395584123;mircea_popescu;hearn did it... 576261;1395584137;artifexd;That doesn't make it a good idea. 576262;1395584142;mircea_popescu;you don't say ?! 576263;1395584150;artifexd;I do say! 576264;1395584153;mircea_popescu;no but srsly, i can't believe they'd have stopped the testnet 576265;1395584160;mircea_popescu;ask in #bitcoin-dev for some testcoins or something 576266;1395584171;mircea_popescu;or, alternatively, use the ATC newtork, it's a direct copy of bitcoin 576267;1395584171;artifexd;I don't want bitcoin testnet. I want altcoin testnet. 576268;1395584178;mircea_popescu;i'll send you some atc if you can't work it out ah 576269;1395584193;mircea_popescu;oh nm me i completely misread. 576270;1395584196;kakobreklaa;you wont really cause pankkake ripped you 576271;1395584204;Apocalyptic;he did ? 576272;1395584214;mircea_popescu;kakobreklaa sheeeit 576273;1395584235;mircea_popescu;dude ran o0ff with my altcoinz ?! 576274;1395584240;pankkake;I am alive 576275;1395584244;mircea_popescu;o hey there. 576276;1395584246;pankkake;hello 576277;1395584252;mircea_popescu;kakobreklaa see ? slander again. 576278;1395584253;kakobreklaa;i take it back. 576279;1395584256;mircea_popescu;pankkake you ok ? 576280;1395584256;pankkake;I'll be more available in a few days 576281;1395584259;mircea_popescu;cool. 576282;1395584264;mircea_popescu;no emergency, relax. 576283;1395584272;kakobreklaa;its not slander if you miss someone! 576284;1395584279;mircea_popescu;slanderlove 576285;1395584280;pankkake;yeah, very tired and irlbusy these last few weeks 576286;1395584298;pankkake;e-mail is sure to reach me 576287;1395584324;ThickAsThieves;artifexd, may I ask whatcha working on? 576288;1395584343;artifexd;atcdice.com 576289;1395584352;mircea_popescu;o hey. 576290;1395584366;ThickAsThieves;sweet 576291;1395584373;mircea_popescu;all the fun of gambling with none of the bitcoin downside!!11 576292;1395584374;pankkake;artifexd: I don't think there ever was a altcoin testnet. if it's configured in the code, you can start it yourself I guess! 576293;1395584384;ThickAsThieves;lemme know if you need help of any of the kinds i might be able to provide 576294;1395584400;artifexd;There's a testnet checkpoint at block 546 (or somewhere thereabouts). 576295;1395584414;pankkake;ouch, it's wrong then 576296;1395584425;artifexd;I may have to just reset the genesis block and remove the checkpoints and start mining it myself. 576297;1395584430;artifexd;Difficulty should be low. :) 576298;1395584461;mircea_popescu;lol 576299;1395584483;ThickAsThieves;why isn't Homeland Security part of the Defense budget? 576300;1395584528;nubbins`;it's worked into the Offense budget 576301;1395584545;chetty;offensive 576302;1395584558;pankkake;if you make it I'll merge your genesis block/checkpoints 576303;1395584569;MisterE;homeland sec doesn't include all law enforcement either 576304;1395584585;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves because otherwise all their unjustifiable expenses stand out as a sore thumb 576305;1395584601;mircea_popescu;there was a rash of reporting their haliburtonesque mismanagement of resources in 2002-2003 576306;1395584610;mircea_popescu;it's meanwhile disappeared, but the problem's only gotten worse. 576307;1395584650;mircea_popescu;in many ways the usg is much like a bitcointalk investor : can't get anything done because surrounded by thieves 576308;1395584754;MisterE;the leaked "black budget" gave us a bit more insight and you can extrapolate how they compartmentalize from there 576309;1395584755;ThickAsThieves;look we cut Defense spending by .1%! Ignore that Homeland Security part. 576310;1395584777;mircea_popescu;myeah. 576311;1395584783;MisterE;the pieces of the pie they argue over that include social services are definitely the small ones. 576312;1395584800;MisterE;no budget has ever included the 10 years war(s) 576313;1395584810;MisterE;wait Obama did in his first 576314;1395584919;ThickAsThieves;so basically the budgets represent each of the USG's corporations, not actual categories 576315;1395584982;mircea_popescu;pretty much 576316;1395585192;MisterE;too bad that SEC layer didnt come to IRC :) 576317;1395585197;MisterE;lawyer* 576318;1395585255;VanCleef;anybods find this useful? - http://www.google.com/finance 576319;1395585278;ThickAsThieves;as useful as any google search i guess 576320;1395585289;ThickAsThieves;you can look up tickers n stuff 576321;1395585298;VanCleef;i just found it a few days ago, made a portfolio, its pretty neat 576322;1395585299;mircea_popescu;just as useful as any free market data service 576323;1395585305;mircea_popescu;msn has one, yahoo has one, bloomberg has one 576324;1395585308;mircea_popescu;and i think there's more. 576325;1395585320;mircea_popescu;MisterE time's not ended yet. 576326;1395585368;VanCleef;do you invest irl shares/securties mircea? 576327;1395585369;MisterE;oh I'm pretty sure the SEC's network blocks the applet 576328;1395585490;ThickAsThieves;neckbeard chic aka lumberjack couture http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/simgad/9407395264500502323 576329;1395585497;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.0009547 = 4.2962 BTC [+] 576330;1395585514;ThickAsThieves;an ad served while viewing zh ^ 576331;1395585536;ThickAsThieves;god knows what i bought on online to deserve that 576332;1395585588;nubbins`;heh 576333;1395585592;nubbins`;i've seen frank & oak ads 576334;1395585603;ThickAsThieves;really i have nothing against his clothes 576335;1395585607;MisterE;are they like Carhart? 576336;1395585616;ThickAsThieves;just how they are being presented as 'style' 576337;1395585633;nubbins`;pair of dickies and a plaid shirt 576338;1395585634;nubbins`;STYLE 576339;1395585664;ThickAsThieves;i guess if it aint nude, it's stylish 576340;1395585681;MisterE;back in the 60s people had style 576341;1395585685;MisterE;sharkskin jackets 576342;1395585692;MisterE;Rat Pack 576343;1395585764;ThickAsThieves;i'm sure there are plenty people with style still 576344;1395585799;ThickAsThieves;just the ones on tv are mostly just gay-with-clothes-on 576345;1395585839;ThickAsThieves;i'm no one to talk though 576346;1395585863;ThickAsThieves;i'd wear the same thing every day if people stopped fixating on that being weird 576347;1395585872;MisterE;heh true gay people and many black people have style 576348;1395585882;MisterE;guess I dont get out much 576349;1395585928;Mats_cd03;scrub 576350;1395585954;nubbins`;normcore 576351;1395586024;VanCleef;do you think its because every black person is secretly gay? (no homo) 576352;1395586035;heat;is that why 576353;1395586038;heat;they all 576354;1395586045;Mats_cd03;no, its social norms 576355;1395586047;heat;got the moves? 576356;1395586148;Mats_cd03;men on the extreme ends of perceived sexual norms (e.g. black vs asians in the media) seem to have fewer problems with dressing fashionably 576357;1395586161;Mats_cd03;(in my experience) 576358;1395586166;artifexd;<ThickAsThieves> lemme know if you need help of any of the kinds i might be able to provide << I missed that. My response: Thanks! I will. 576359;1395586193;nubbins`;i think you guys hang around normals too much 576360;1395586230;ThickAsThieves;artifexd, mostly that'd be design or funding, not sure what other relevant skills i might have to an atcdice 576361;1395586250;ThickAsThieves;no, black people caring about fashion has nothing to do with homosexuality 576362;1395586302;mircea_popescu;VanCleef sometimes. 576363;1395586343;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves the "under $50" part i find the most objectionable. 576364;1395586347;VanCleef;ahh cool 576365;1395586354;Mats_cd03;^lol 576366;1395586361;ThickAsThieves;hehe 576367;1395586384;ThickAsThieves;must have cash left over to buy an axe 576368;1395586402;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves what'd you wear every day anyway ? velve ? 576369;1395586409;ThickAsThieves;whats a velve? 576370;1395586412;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55744 @ 0.00095182 = 53.0583 BTC [-] {2} 576371;1395586412;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299999 = 0.365 BTC [+] 576372;1395586414;ThickAsThieves;;;google velve 576373;1395586415;gribble;VELVE OLED - Technology | Verbatim: <http://www.verbatimlighting.com/article/oled/>; Velve: <http://www.velve.lv/>; ////// VELVE ////// female singer / songwriter //////: <http://www.velve.de/> 576374;1395586428;mircea_popescu;velvet! 576375;1395586433;ThickAsThieves;lol no 576376;1395586452;mircea_popescu;don' discriminae me because i got a broken mister 576377;1395586464;ThickAsThieves;generally i already do wear the same thing every day already 576378;1395586465;mircea_popescu;o shi i worked ha ime 576379;1395586470;ThickAsThieves;just change the colors and patterns 576380;1395586484;VanCleef;what labels do you wear tat? 576381;1395586496;ThickAsThieves;when you start wearing neutral or black every day, that's when people start to notice 576382;1395586503;ThickAsThieves;i'm not even morbid 576383;1395586514;ThickAsThieves;i just would wear black every day probly though 576384;1395586527;ThickAsThieves;except in the sun 576385;1395586531;ThickAsThieves;that's hot 576386;1395586555;ThickAsThieves;i dont look at labels much 576387;1395586576;ThickAsThieves;if it looks like i might wear it, i buy it 576388;1395586594;mircea_popescu;;;google man in black 576389;1395586594;gribble;Men in Black (1997) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119654/>; Men in Black - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_in_Black>; Men in Black (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_in_Black_(film)> 576390;1395586599;ThickAsThieves;i'm overdue for new wardrobe though 576391;1395586604;VanCleef;judging from mirceas pics he seems to have a good taste in clothes 576392;1395586607;mircea_popescu;not men in black you ebonicsipidia you. 576393;1395586615;ThickAsThieves;yeah mp knows how to dress 576394;1395586633;ThickAsThieves;i also happen to think Johnny Cash is pretty cool 576395;1395586640;mircea_popescu;me too. 576396;1395586643;VanCleef;yeah johnny cash is cool 576397;1395586644;mircea_popescu;minus all the xtian bs. 576398;1395586662;mircea_popescu;but what do you want, bloke lived in teh south and his first wife died when he was what, 17 ? 576399;1395586703;VanCleef;robert smith is pretty cool too 576400;1395586719;ThickAsThieves;lol 576401;1395586728;ThickAsThieves;he made some cool music at least 576402;1395586750;mircea_popescu;he ruled, you kidding me ? 576403;1395586759;mircea_popescu;i'll never forget how he owned those clowny kids 576404;1395586765;ThickAsThieves;http://purefilmcreative.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/robert-smith.jpg 576405;1395586776;ThickAsThieves;i dont now much about the man 576406;1395586785;ThickAsThieves;other than looking ridiculous and making cool music 576407;1395586791;mircea_popescu;compare nine inch nail hurt with cash hurt 576408;1395586799;mircea_popescu;then consider it was supposed to be THEIR signature song. 576409;1395586807;VanCleef;nin hurt is a pretty terrible song, wiash cash didn't cover it 576410;1395586815;ThickAsThieves;i was referring to smith 576411;1395586818;mircea_popescu;this is the furthers out case of musical and generally artistic ownage i know of 576412;1395586819;mircea_popescu;bar non. 576413;1395586822;ThickAsThieves;yes, cash Hurt is way better 576414;1395586824;mircea_popescu;o o 576415;1395586849;VanCleef;it was a good cover tho 576416;1395586867;mircea_popescu;why did the cure go to shit btw ? 576417;1395586868;ThickAsThieves;what better swan song could the guy have had? 576418;1395586869;mircea_popescu;i forget 576419;1395586877;mircea_popescu;yeah absolutely. 576420;1395586884;VanCleef;did they go to shit? lol i think they just got old 576421;1395586921;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, disco : http://25.media.tumblr.com/850ca39c3e1d800cca5a39aae1566e36/tumblr_mlqxxru0KR1rztzruo1_1280.jpg 576422;1395586936;mircea_popescu;i seem to remember some acrimony 576423;1395586981;VanCleef;nice pic 576424;1395586998;ThickAsThieves;an odd thing about goth/industrial/rapcore fans from the 80s/90s is they never seem able to shake it 576425;1395587012;VanCleef;heh 576426;1395587016;ThickAsThieves;they still wear cargo jeans and band t-shirts 576427;1395587024;ThickAsThieves;and are generally depressed 576428;1395587035;ThickAsThieves;maybe it was the drugs 576429;1395587056;mircea_popescu;maybe it was the last generation that had any unobstructed view of us reality. 576430;1395587074;VanCleef;music is really terrible these days 576431;1395587076;mircea_popescu;ie, it IS the drugs, but the other way around. 576432;1395587104;ThickAsThieves;hehe i'm wearing a band tshirt and all black right now, i guess i should shut up 576433;1395587114;ThickAsThieves;except mine is Kid Dynamite 576434;1395587128;mircea_popescu;i've never wore a band tshirt 576435;1395587137;ThickAsThieves;you were never in a band 576436;1395587149;mircea_popescu;i... hm. i produced a few bands / concerts ? 576437;1395587157;VanCleef;really? 576438;1395587159;mircea_popescu;yeah 576439;1395587163;mircea_popescu;including a... rave ;/ 576440;1395587166;ThickAsThieves;hehe 576441;1395587166;VanCleef;lol 576442;1395587167;mircea_popescu;in like 96 iirc 576443;1395587170;ThickAsThieves;never been to a rave 576444;1395587172;VanCleef;that's funny 576445;1395587201;mircea_popescu;i can't even recall wtf it was called. 576446;1395587225;ThickAsThieves;Tits or GTFO Dance Party 576447;1395587228;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is all bs weirdo romanian stuff, it shouldn't really count. 576448;1395587232;mircea_popescu;more like comedic relief. 576449;1395587243;VanCleef;you produced gwar didn't u? 576450;1395587255;ThickAsThieves;i went to see Gwar 576451;1395587255;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves at the end there was about 1 ton of paper residue, 1/4 ton of textile residue taken from the grounds 576452;1395587258;ThickAsThieves;was kinda fun 576453;1395587261;VanCleef;aha 576454;1395587309;ThickAsThieves;wtf is textile residue? clothes caked into the paper? 576455;1395587332;mircea_popescu;unidentified bits of what probably were clothes 576456;1395587349;ThickAsThieves;how many rapes? 576457;1395587354;mircea_popescu;none reported. 576458;1395587356;MisterE;it 576459;1395587387;MisterE;it's tropical here so I wear as little as possible and there's no style there heh 576460;1395587495;mircea_popescu;where you at, jamaica ? 576461;1395587505;mircea_popescu;ow shit, i just gave bill cosby a problem huh ? 576462;1395587519;mircea_popescu;but i happen to think some bits of black vernacular are expressive. i use ain't all the time. 576463;1395587531;mircea_popescu;people around me end up using it too 576464;1395587537;mircea_popescu;it's catchy namean ? 576465;1395587571;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.003274 = 0.6548 BTC [+] 576466;1395587677;MisterE;catchy, ain't it? 576467;1395587679;artifexd;"ain't" is black vernacular? I thought it was southern venacular. Source: I grew up in Texas. 576468;1395587690;ThickAsThieves;black and hip hop culture might be the most vibrant source of new vernacular in the world 576469;1395587697;MisterE;^ 576470;1395587700;mircea_popescu;artifexd well this is in reference to an earlier bill cosby imgur 576471;1395587708;ThickAsThieves;you cannot keep up if you arent paying attention for even a year 576472;1395587720;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves nah, that's only because you don't speak either russian or fringe chinese/indian languages 576473;1395587725;ThickAsThieves;maybe' 576474;1395587736;MisterE;funny to see whitey suburbanite kids co-opt it so quickly now 576475;1395587737;mircea_popescu;but that said, it's certainly productive. 576476;1395587751;mircea_popescu;and more interestingly so than the white equivalent, dearly loved as "pc speak" 576477;1395587762;ThickAsThieves;bih went in, ish goes hard 576478;1395587773;heat;dont start no ish 576479;1395587774;heat;wont be no ish 576480;1395587787;mircea_popescu;artifexd well maybe. i am no expert :p 576481;1395587822;MisterE;artifexd: I did a stretch in Denton and SA 576482;1395587833;artifexd;SA? 576483;1395587834;mircea_popescu;does that mean you were in prison there ? 576484;1395587839;MisterE;San Anton 576485;1395587850;mircea_popescu;san antonio is like my favourite us city. 576486;1395587856;ThickAsThieves;around here the old timers in the local black "ghetto" are nearly incoherent 576487;1395587862;MisterE;it's prety good 576488;1395587868;MisterE;but Bexar county sucks 576489;1395587872;artifexd;Ah. I was up in the north east. More north east than Dallas. Damn near Arkansas. 576490;1395587876;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00094923 = 3.6071 BTC [-] 576491;1395587877;nubbins`;around here the old timers in the local white "ghetto" are completely incoherent 576492;1395587884;mircea_popescu;MisterE the fact that i spent a week doing nothing but champagne on the riverwalk may well have colored that impression :p 576493;1395587890;nubbins`;overheard a guy talking to his father about getting his roof fixed 576494;1395587903;nubbins`;"aeh eh uhhh ehh fuckin... euhhh..." 576495;1395587917;mircea_popescu;but this is canadians 576496;1395587919;MisterE;yes riverwalk is fantastic 576497;1395587928;mircea_popescu;that's not language, that's gesturing psychopathy 576498;1395587934;nubbins`;mircea_popescu that's a direct quote ;( 576499;1395587943;mircea_popescu;imagine canadian forums 576500;1395587943;nubbins`;he was looking for the word "roof" 576501;1395587961;mircea_popescu;someone should make a purported canadian forum like that just to mess with people 576502;1395587968;mircea_popescu;megatroll sting operation. 576503;1395587971;ThickAsThieves;<mircea_popescu> san antonio is like my favourite us city. /// is that the place in your mystery photo on trilema? 576504;1395587974;nubbins`;;;google montreal forum 576505;1395587974;gribble;Montreal Forum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Forum>; Forum de Montreal: <http://www.forum-montreal.com/>; The Forum Opens its Doors | Historical Website of the Montreal ...: <http://ourhistory.canadiens.com/greatest-moment/The-Forum-Opens-Its-Doors> 576506;1395587985;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves which one of the numerous mystery trilema photos 576507;1395587995;MisterE;Culturally Austin has more to offer 576508;1395587995;ThickAsThieves;one of a bridge and some buildings 576509;1395588001;MisterE;imho 576510;1395588015;mircea_popescu;;/ link ? 576511;1395588026;ThickAsThieves;shit i dunno, i made some guesses at the time in here 576512;1395588034;mircea_popescu;well i lost the pointer 576513;1395588040;ThickAsThieves;well not at the time you published, i think it was older 576514;1395588048;MisterE;canadian forums must be a minimum of 35% canadian or they will do something 576515;1395588059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 289 @ 0.003274 = 0.9462 BTC [+] 576516;1395588062;mircea_popescu;anyway, it was funny, i was wearing a suit, struck up a conversation with a band in a bar, 576517;1395588073;mircea_popescu;then people from the bar were coming to me to ask me to ask the band to play songs 576518;1395588079;mircea_popescu;then the band wanted to sign me up as their manager 576519;1395588085;mircea_popescu;then we had breakfast at dennys 576520;1395588102;MisterE;Moon over My Hammy? 576521;1395588113;mircea_popescu;nah it was some rock and roll ish thing 576522;1395588119;MisterE;thats they one I used to get man Dennys that takes me back 576523;1395588127;mircea_popescu;blond lead vocal guy couldn't quite decide if he wanted to do an elvis impersonation or not 576524;1395588153;mircea_popescu;o, that was my only one time in that chain, i have no idea what they serve 576525;1395588171;MisterE;ok back to movie, GF watching Psycho for first time 576526;1395588182;MisterE;I'd forgotten a lot 576527;1395588195;mircea_popescu;you dating 16yos ? 576528;1395588234;mircea_popescu;(and the 1960s vera miles version i hope?) 576529;1395588913;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [+] 576530;1395589223;kakobreklaa;http://vircurex.com/welcome/ann_reserved.html 576531;1395589872;ThickAsThieves;3rd time's a charm 576532;1395589889;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30946 @ 0.00094983 = 29.3934 BTC [+] {2} 576533;1395589890;mircea_popescu;heh. 576534;1395589904;mircea_popescu;aren;'t these the guys that stole the "investors" equity to cover for the previous time they got owned ? 576535;1395590133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 52 @ 0.06184998 = 3.2162 BTC [+] {10} 576536;1395590377;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44457384 BTC to 4`132 shares, 59162 satoshi per share 576537;1395591536;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00094923 = 18.1303 BTC [-] 576538;1395591658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0619999 = 0.124 BTC [-] 576539;1395591841;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00095029 = 15.4897 BTC [+] 576540;1395591902;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 100 @ 0.11950724 = 11.9507 BTC [-] 576541;1395592029;Apocalyptic;<mircea_popescu> [16:51:46] aren;'t these the guys that stole the "investors" equity to cover for the previous time they got owned ? I believe they are 576542;1395592085;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.062 = 0.372 BTC [+] 576543;1395592451;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39650 @ 0.0009482 = 37.5961 BTC [-] {3} 576544;1395592504;knotwork;Yeah I heard they covered the losses with money from investors. Maybe the investors didnt like that and now want to drive away all customers so the place gets no business and has to shut down 576545;1395592725;mircea_popescu;or maybe they just have a dartboard and throw darts at it each day 576546;1395592771;chetty;well can we turn some of these scammer into dartboards? 576547;1395592781;Apocalyptic;I remember that big miner mining at Eligius praising vircurex and recommending it for trading NMC 576548;1395592791;Apocalyptic;cause "they've been around for quite some time you know" 576549;1395592816;mircea_popescu;derp. 576550;1395592842;mircea_popescu;so has goat. so has gigavps. so has teh bitcoin foundation. around scamming for quite some time now. 576551;1395592861;Apocalyptic;indeed 576552;1395592890;Apocalyptic;gigavps even has the guts to come to -otc sometimes 576553;1395592891;kakobrekla;goat is going to sue garr now 576554;1395592936;kakobrekla;"your honor, garr failed to deliver the pump." 576555;1395592939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0603875 = 0.2416 BTC [-] {3} 576556;1395592945;mike_c;is this over their mining thing? 576557;1395592956;kakobrekla;yea 576558;1395592988;mike_c;but but, last I read everything was going great and they were picking up their hardware! i haven't followed the thread recently i guess :) 576559;1395593008;kakobrekla;the thing went bad over half a year ago 576560;1395593018;mircea_popescu;yeah, he was going to sue pirate, he is going to sue garr, 576561;1395593024;kakobrekla;or its just me who can smell the shit early 576562;1395593028;mircea_popescu;before that back in 2012 he was going to post pics of his mining farm 576563;1395593034;mircea_popescu;he's a going-to kind of guy. 576564;1395593058;kakobrekla;ofc he wont, i phrased it wrong 576565;1395593059;Apocalyptic;kako the shit-smeller , dat title 576566;1395593064;mircea_popescu;lol 576567;1395593077;kakobrekla;fuck what have i brought on myself 576568;1395593079;mircea_popescu;Tic the shit-senser 576569;1395593100;*;kakobrekla goes to edit todays log 576570;1395593104;mircea_popescu;lmao 576571;1395593113;mircea_popescu;ooo what is that flash ?! 576572;1395593119;mircea_popescu;hm... what were we talking about ? 576573;1395593145;kakobrekla;yeah, much better than pdf 576574;1395593154;mike_c;we were talking about sending our btc to kako for a new mining venture. 576575;1395593161;mircea_popescu;does pdf stand for pedophile ? 576576;1395593183;thestringpuller;use latex at least... 576577;1395593185;kakobrekla;but what does flash stand for then 576578;1395593210;mircea_popescu;hm 576579;1395593293;kakobrekla;the question that ended -assets. 576580;1395593324;kakobrekla;*tumbleweed* 576581;1395593332;bounce;flash! ah-haa! 576582;1395593361;mircea_popescu;can you imagine how shocked the aliens/reptillians/illuminati/etc watching this will be 576583;1395593367;mircea_popescu;if one day it just... ends. 576584;1395593394;VanCleef;i read mircea's blog sometimes does anyone have any other handy reading material or youtube videos, doesn't have to be about bitcoin just something along the lines of investing 576585;1395593414;VanCleef;i'm just watching a bunch of mark cuban interviews 576586;1395593433;Duffer1;http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ 576587;1395593435;ozbot;Assets Assimilated 576588;1395593465;mike_c;last year's trilema :) 576589;1395593473;VanCleef;cool thanks Duffer1 576590;1395593521;mircea_popescu;http://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/letters.html 576591;1395593521;ozbot;Shareholder Letters 576592;1395593540;mircea_popescu;read that whole set, you'll be ahead of about half the group of folk that identify as finance-anythign 576593;1395593560;VanCleef;thank you mircea 576594;1395593693;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: you still like Berkshire Hathaway despite Buffet's stance on BTC? 576595;1395593703;thestringpuller;you still respect* not like* 576596;1395593712;mircea_popescu;the letters are old, and as respectable as they ever were. 576597;1395593732;mircea_popescu;you think if i get alzhimers' when im 95 that'll change the 2013 articles on trilema in any way ? 576598;1395593793;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.062 = 1.426 BTC [+] 576599;1395593807;VanCleef;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU8KksjGB8s 576600;1395593808;ozbot;P Diddy's Words Of Wisdom - YouTube 576601;1395593821;thestringpuller;That's what I'd figure you'd say, and I expect you to be the only one in the nursing home flirting at 95... 576602;1395593853;mircea_popescu;well it ain't gonna suck itself... 576603;1395593890;chetty;Turkish fighter jets shot down a Syrian warplane after it violated Turkeys airspace Sunday 576604;1395594281;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.63877424 = 2.5551 BTC [+] {3} 576605;1395594403;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.64150055 = 1.9245 BTC [+] {3} 576606;1395594451;cads;mircea_popescu: who/what turned you on to reading the berkshire letters? 576607;1395594471;cads;another friend has suggested it but I haven't made time for it 576608;1395594485;ThickAsThieves;so, i am trying to repair a broken tablet lcd and my current problem is it is glued to the frame and i've no heat gun, nor is the sun particularly bright today 576609;1395594491;mircea_popescu;i can't even remember, i liked the guy since i was 14 or so 576610;1395594496;ThickAsThieves;any tips? 576611;1395594500;ThickAsThieves;or just go buy a heat gun 576612;1395594505;mircea_popescu;got a lens ? 576613;1395594522;ThickAsThieves;i have a magnifying lens for soldering 576614;1395594530;mircea_popescu;so try that on the sun. who knows. 576615;1395594552;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: hair dryer usually works. 576616;1395594557;asciilifeform;helps if you own an IR thermometer. 576617;1395594562;ThickAsThieves;i do 576618;1395594566;mircea_popescu;that also. 576619;1395594570;thestringpuller;http://i.imgur.com/SN4UYEU.png - from da reddits 576620;1395594572;mircea_popescu;esp if you got a pro one. 576621;1395594586;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.00636479 = 0.1718 BTC [+] {5} 576622;1395594590;ThickAsThieves;any temp i should be going for? 576623;1395594600;asciilifeform;depends on the glue, clearly 576624;1395594617;ThickAsThieves;some kinda mobile device surgical glue or someshit 576625;1395594623;ThickAsThieves;i guess, til it's loose 576626;1395594654;asciilifeform;traditional method is to attach a suction cup 576627;1395594656;asciilifeform;to the screen 576628;1395594663;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/SgfBapJ.gif 576629;1395594673;asciilifeform;and suspend it a cm or so above the table, in a clamp, from said cup 576630;1395594674;asciilifeform;then heat. 576631;1395594708;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.64549969 = 7.746 BTC [+] {2} 576632;1395594709;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00639697 = 0.1215 BTC [+] 576633;1395594877;asciilifeform;http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/03/22/sinkhole-of-bureaucracy 576634;1395594877;ozbot;Sinkhole of bureaucracy | The Washington Post 576635;1395594891;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00639696 = 1.2794 BTC [-] {3} 576636;1395594903;benkay;so the girl draped some gauzy fabric in front of the apartment window; we verified that nobody can see in during the day, and now i'm at my standing desk aka the kitchen island shirt-cocking hard 576637;1395594905;benkay;it's glorious. 576638;1395594943;mircea_popescu;shirt-cocking ?! 576639;1395594949;benkay;;;ud shirt cocking 576640;1395594950;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shirt%20cocking | Men who go about their day with a shirt on, but no pants or underwear. "Cocking" can be used with other terms. Example: Cowl Cocking, when a man we... 576641;1395594950;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: shirt cocking 576642;1395594980;benkay;cooking bacon too, you see. 576643;1395595048;mircea_popescu;i see 576644;1395595235;benkay;it seems that Vice is the only publication on the internet who've been able to implement a bootstrap header without totally fucking the page-down functionality of yore. 576645;1395595242;benkay;functionality my ux-perts tell me nobody uses any more. 576646;1395595254;benkay;"except people who read at a reasonable speed!" 576647;1395595269;benkay;scrolling *has* to impose additional cognitive load. 576648;1395595280;mircea_popescu;i use it. 576649;1395595303;mircea_popescu;scrolling is not unlike the revolutionary notion of having sentences broken up on lines on the written page 576650;1395595307;ninjashogun;Hi guys. 576651;1395595312;mircea_popescu;"but moving eyes from end to begin of line must add cognitive load" 576652;1395595318;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] 576653;1395595319;mircea_popescu;turns out the brain is a pulse not a flux processor. 576654;1395595323;mircea_popescu;it adds nothing. 576655;1395595367;benkay;really? 576656;1395595371;mircea_popescu;myeah 576657;1395595387;benkay;re lines that's been a staple for a good millenia or so tho 576658;1395595394;benkay;we've adapted. 576659;1395595416;mircea_popescu;plenty of "smarter than necessary" folk came up with lines that went 123 654 789 etc 576660;1395595423;mircea_popescu;somehow it didn't catch on. 576661;1395595438;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, what I found really amazing on the brain is the herz that neurons can fire at before tiring. Given how much processing we do every second, take a guess at what the maximal neuronic herz rate is in the brain :) 576662;1395595438;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 576663;1395595440;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06199765 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2} 576664;1395595453;ninjashogun;maximum* 576665;1395595476;mircea_popescu;and no, it's not that we've adapted to the lines. the lines are adapted to us. 576666;1395595496;mircea_popescu;this bullshit whereby a clueless shit will "invent" something and the world will "adapt" to it is sheer usinsanity. 576667;1395595511;ninjashogun;"Although different neurons fire at different speeds, as a rough estimate it is reasonable to estimate that a neuron can fire about once every 5 milliseconds, or about 200 times a second" 576668;1395595515;mircea_popescu;i get it that impotence is a major problem there, both culturally and sexually, but that's scarcely an excuse. 576669;1395595524;ninjashogun;Our brain operates at a maxmium of 200 herz. That is mind-bogglingly slow. 576670;1395595532;benkay;(correction: vice hasn't fixed the pagedown) 576671;1395595563;mircea_popescu;vice doesn't really have much interest in making it easy for people to read, either, 576672;1395595573;mircea_popescu;seeing how the more people read the more their fixed costs go up. 576673;1395595581;thestringpuller;VICE is about reporters without borders! 576674;1395595586;mircea_popescu;now if they only could convince everyone that 576675;1395595588;mircea_popescu;BLERGH 576676;1395595589;asciilifeform;'maxmium of 200 herz' << this would be interesting if they fired in phase. which they don't. 576677;1395595592;mircea_popescu;is a perfectly fine article... 576678;1395595615;ninjashogun;hi asciilifeform. it is still very surprising :) 576679;1395595679;ninjashogun;if someone told me you can do everything a human can do in terms of brain-processing (from vision to motor control to thinking speaking, reacting, EVERYTHING) thorugh a neural net at which the maximum speed of any neuron is 200 herz I'd have laughed. "suuure." 576680;1395595684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.062 = 0.124 BTC [+] 576681;1395595724;ninjashogun;anything you can do in 5 seconds includes no individual neurons firing more than 1,000 times. 576682;1395595743;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: you know breaking bad? 576683;1395595756;mircea_popescu;some sitcom thing ? 576684;1395595951;ThickAsThieves;hairdryer isnt hot enough :( 576685;1395596050;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 262 @ 0.00327699 = 0.8586 BTC [+] {2} 576686;1395596113;ThickAsThieves;google is showing not much success repairing the tablet i am attempting 576687;1395596294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19482 @ 0.00094723 = 18.4539 BTC [-] {3} 576688;1395596394;midnightmagic;ninjashogun: That is meaningless. The full structure of the brain hasn't even been fully undertood yet. 576689;1395596416;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.003277 = 0.3474 BTC [+] 576690;1395596668;ninjashogun;hi, midnightmagic. Well, yes and no. It is meaningless, you are right. But it's also interesting that it means that a supercomputer running at 4 ghz interconnect speed runs at a native speed of 10,000,000 times faster than neurons' native speeds. 576691;1395596773;ninjashogun;midnightmagic, the other interesting thing is that the brain weighs just 3 pounds and takes up 1.26 liters. (1400 grams, 1.3 US quarts). 576692;1395596810;midnightmagic;except 100,000,000,000 neurons at 200hz each equals a total meaningless cross-product of 20,000,000,000,000 things which is much higher than the 4,000,000,000 other things; plus interconnect, microtubules, memory, specialization, and so on mean there is no "faster". 576693;1395596881;ninjashogun;midnightmagic, this is very true. But, for example, if a supercomputer were to model these interconnects but had fewer "physical" neurons (CPU units), then the same CPU units could be reused 20 million times (4 ghz / 200 herz) to get realtime speed. (This is just an example of how to think about it.) 576694;1395596908;asciilifeform;example, from one's tool drawer. i recently happened to buy an oscilloscope. it can sample signals at 1GHz, despite having no component therein operating above 100MHz. 576695;1395596933;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, that is a very good and interesting example. Do you think that the brain relies on these sampling effects? 576696;1395596934;asciilifeform;this is done by having a number of ADCs operating at 100MHz each, but out of phase. 576697;1395596949;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I understand. Do you think that timing is used by the brain in this way? 576698;1395596975;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, I would think that the brain doesn't depend on sensitive timing information like that, but rather on the pathways that are activated (irrespective of timing). 576699;1395596980;asciilifeform;depends on what one means by 'used'. it is known that the neurons aren't synced (in phase) - why would they be. 576700;1395596982;midnightmagic;ninjashogun: Nope. There is not enough understanding to model even small parts of the human brain. The structures we know about are unknown. There are likely other structures we don't yet know about. 576701;1395597026;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.11950724 = 1.4341 BTC [-] 576702;1395597028;ninjashogun;asciilifeform, exactly, they're not in sync because why would they be. But is that out of phase effect used to do calculation or the equivalent of a pipeline, etc? Probably not. 576703;1395597044;midnightmagic;for the foreseeable future, there is no computer even contemplated that could model the human brain as we understand it right now, let alone as new discoveries arrive. 576704;1395597060;midnightmagic;machine intelligence will take another form. 576705;1395597084;ninjashogun;midnightmagic, well I agree. Our current understanding isn't even enough for a full model. we wouldn't know what to run even if we had a supercomputer with unlimited resources. we don't have the code. 576706;1395597087;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 486 @ 0.00314518 = 1.5286 BTC [-] {11} 576707;1395597122;ninjashogun;midnightmagic, it's an interesting situation . Rather than being limited by hardware ,we're very possibly limited by software. We don't know what to run - it's not that we can't run it, but we don't have the software written. 576708;1395597248;ninjashogun;Based on the simple calculation that the brain is just 3 pounds, 1.25 liters, and fires at 200 herz, it is extremely likely that there exists ∃ (latex \exists) code that we could run that would result in a brain running at an appreciable percentage of real-time brain speed, using < $1B of hardware. But we don't have the code, even though it probably \exists 576709;1395597299;ninjashogun;Hardware-wise, if we had the code than a simple cluster of a few tons of CPU and RAM units could probably run it. 576710;1395597380;ninjashogun;Also don't forget that we know for a fact that the architecture in the brain is encoded in no more than 700 MB totally uncompressed. That is how much the human genome takes to encode as simple bits (adenine(A), cytosine (C), guanine (G) and thymine (T) encoded as two bits each). With some compression that's even less. 576711;1395597431;ninjashogun;Of course we have no chance in hell of modelling the development of a brain by "running" the code. We can't even model a few molecules fully. 576712;1395597461;ninjashogun;but we have a theoretical proof that the architecture of the brain is somehow encoded into under 700 MB. (well under that, as that encodes the full human body.) 576713;1395597575;ThickAsThieves;http://kottke.org/14/03/the-first-national-bank-of-gamestop 576714;1395597575;ozbot;The First National Bank of GameStop 576715;1395597707;benkay;consumer banking is so commoditized that apparently one can accidentally operate a bank. 576716;1395597740;ninjashogun;benkay, ha! 576717;1395597747;ninjashogun;benkay, that is a hilarious observation 576718;1395597761;benkay;a friend was curious about http://www.simple.com: "their advertising pitch seemed to be: 'coffee. flannel. dogs. bank. flannel. guitars on a porch. bank.'" 576719;1395597798;benkay;"i mean yeah - it's a US bank. they likely won't do a runner with your cash. they're also just like every other bank in the states, except maybe not running on mainframes older than yourself and myself put together." 576720;1395597932;benkay;they just got bought by BBVA, iirc. from what i understand the spaniards want to leverage the stack that Simple built out for themselves across a load of different networks. 576721;1395598001;benkay;"here's a team that's actually built a thing that makes money. let's buy the thing and leverage the team's proven track record of shipping high-quality software to ameliorate our dependency on ancient internal tooling." 576722;1395598067;benkay;no quadrillion dollar exit or anything, but the mgmt team had accelerated vesting in place for everyone with options, so it looks like a chunk of the PDX clojure group will be taking rather nice vacations this year if the workload ever slows down. 576723;1395598336;midnightmagic;No, whoever came up with that $1b estimate is someone being silly and probably looking for grant money. 576724;1395598382;midnightmagic;There is also no "theoretical proof" that the architecture of the brain is "under 700MB". That's utter nonsense. 576725;1395598462;benkay;let it go, midnightmagic. 576726;1395598552;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+] 576727;1395598566;mike_c;the data for creating the brain may be that small, but the code that runs it (rules of chemistry, biology, etc) is huge. 576728;1395598583;benkay;.bait 576729;1395598584;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0jyphXDYQ1qg1ag3o1_500.jpg 576730;1395598588;mike_c;plus that too 576731;1395598604;benkay;swear to god i know that girl. 576732;1395598610;midnightmagic;bah 576733;1395598629;benkay;tits are too big tho. 576734;1395598845;jurov;mircea_popescu: fico only won first round and with only 4% gain. second (final) round is scheduled to march 29 576735;1395598949;Apocalyptic;i hope he'll lose 576736;1395599038;jurov;yes 576737;1395599048;jurov;mp is asking that second or third time already, you could have explained him that when i'm not around... 576738;1395599063;ninjashogun;https://vircurex.com/welcome/ann_reserved.html 576739;1395599077;Apocalyptic;jurov, I didn't see him asking that 576740;1395599087;Apocalyptic;ninjashogun, already been posted hours ago 576741;1395599241;ninjashogun;someone should set up an FDI btc - Federal Deposit Insurance of Bitcoins 576742;1395599261;ninjashogun;every week you hear of an exchange closing down freezing funds etc due to hacking. 576743;1395599310;jurov;ninjashogun: that proposal isn't even funny 576744;1395599347;jurov;it's wholesale stupid 576745;1395599473;jurov;mandatory proof of infosec competence for whoever asks bitcoins deposits/loans/investments would be tad better 576746;1395599487;ninjashogun;jurov - lol @ "mandatory" 576747;1395599494;ninjashogun;jurov - that's not how bitcoin works. nothing is mandatory. 576748;1395599511;jurov;yes. but i can at least chuckle over that 576749;1395599517;ninjashogun;jurov - fair enough 576750;1395599538;ninjashogun;jurov - I suppose the main reason an insurance scheme is stupid is because it doesn't work if every exchange gets hacked and has to pay out.... 576751;1395599575;jurov;If. 576752;1395599588;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1247 @ 0.00307995 = 3.8407 BTC [-] {9} 576753;1395599649;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 8379 @ 0.00299664 = 25.1088 BTC [-] {45} 576754;1395599699;ninjashogun;jurov - what percentage of BTC exchanges have lost btc due to theft? (to the point of shutting down) 576755;1395599711;ninjashogun;jurov - I've heard of 3-5 such cases (I think) but I don't know what percentage that represents. 576756;1395599750;Apocalyptic;ninjashogun, you mean realt theft or self-theft a la zhou tong ? 576757;1395599769;jurov;even if i somehow knew that % it would be utter meaningless number 576758;1395599822;ninjashogun;Apocalyptic, there's no way to know is there :) 576759;1395599827;ninjashogun;"reported theft" 576760;1395599830;Apocalyptic;exactly 576761;1395599846;ninjashogun;what is the percentage of exchnages that have had "reported theft" (whether real or invented) 576762;1395599908;jurov;ninjashogun one can't insure subprime mortgages (incidentally, from very similar reasons).. but some doods did that anyway 576763;1395599916;jurov;er... tried to 576764;1395599945;ninjashogun;jurov - well, you can insure sub-prime mortgages but the premium might be on par with the monthly payment. 576765;1395599947;jurov;because they were thinking in % like you do 576766;1395599980;ninjashogun;jurov - I wonder how much it would reduce exchnage usage if there were a 20% insurance fee on all deposits. (Which is insane.) Would some people still use it to buy fiat with BTC they accept elsewhere? 576767;1395599995;ninjashogun;(insane as in insanely high.) 576768;1395600033;jurov;well, do try it 576769;1395600059;jurov;dumber ideas had their moment of btc glory 576770;1395600066;ninjashogun;we know that the percentage of exchnages that would pretend a theft occurred would go up. (It's called 'moral hazard' in insurance.) 576771;1395600082;mike_c;it would be difficult for that to go up. 576772;1395600102;ninjashogun;mike_c - well I know a couple that have not reported thefts so far. (For example moolah's) 576773;1395600137;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6210055 = 2.484 BTC [-] {3} 576774;1395600198;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.07123173 = 1.852 BTC [-] {7} 576775;1395600526;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5857173#msg5857173 576776;1395600528;ozbot;Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] 576777;1395600531;Duffer1;Goat's on a warpath 576778;1395600625;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06125 = 0.1225 BTC [-] {2} 576779;1395601113;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34110 @ 0.00095029 = 32.4144 BTC [+] 576780;1395601116;Duffer1;wow going through his post history, that all seems to be getting pretty ugly 576781;1395601419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-] 576782;1395602025;ninjashogun;Duffer1 - whose posting history are you referring to? If it's Garr, I know someone who knows him. (many exchanges). 576783;1395602032;ninjashogun;sorry if it's Goat. Not sure if that means Garr. 576784;1395602043;ninjashogun;My comment is about "His Most Eminent Highness Grand Caesar Imperator Goat" 576785;1395602064;Duffer1;i was referring to Goat's post history 576786;1395602101;ninjashogun;ok 576787;1395602211;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.06039287 = 0.8455 BTC [-] {4} 576788;1395602449;jurov;kakobrekla: on bitcoin-assets.com the donation addr is 14uG... but link goes to 1B6N... 576789;1395602477;Apocalyptic;hax ! 576790;1395602489;Duffer1;ith a conthpirathy 576791;1395602493;kakobrekla;thats odd 576792;1395602582;ninjashogun;the plot thickens. 576793;1395602632;Duffer1;ninja so you know someone that knows garr are you involved with Cog? 576794;1395602655;Duffer1;i'm just curious to find out what's going on 576795;1395602657;kakobrekla;did you make that tx to 14u jurov? 576796;1395602687;jurov;yes. and now i wanted to check and only then realized the prob 576797;1395602752;Duffer1;do you not control that address Kako? 576798;1395602789;kakobrekla;i dunno, i got a bunch of wallets but at first look no 576799;1395602929;ninjashogun;Duffer1, No I'm not involved with Cog. I just know that as far as this person is concerned Goat is very trustworthy. 576800;1395602942;ninjashogun;what is the Cog story? 576801;1395602943;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.062 = 0.806 BTC [+] {2} 576802;1395602944;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00094663 = 11.2649 BTC [-] {2} 576803;1395602946;ninjashogun;exactly 576804;1395602947;ninjashogun;? 576805;1395602976;Apocalyptic;" Goat is very trustworthy." I lol'd 576806;1395602998;Duffer1;i'm not exactly sure, it'swhy i was asking 576807;1395603026;Duffer1;i just see a lot of accusations of fraud and mismanagement dunno what's going on though 576808;1395603120;ninjashogun;I didn't say it's my opinion. I don't know Goat personally at all. 576809;1395603128;ninjashogun;This person could easily have been mislead, etc. 576810;1395603134;ninjashogun;All frauds have ardent followers. 576811;1395603150;Duffer1;oh i mean accusations of fraud by Goat against Garr 576812;1395603174;ninjashogun;I was NOT referring to Garr only Goat. 576813;1395603178;ninjashogun;I don't know anything about Garr at all. 576814;1395603184;Duffer1;ah 576815;1395603201;ninjashogun;and about Goat, I know just that one person trusts him and has been in touch for over a year. 576816;1395603221;dexX7;Duffer1: do you know, if it's possible to withdrawal ltc from ct? 576817;1395603272;Duffer1;i tried to withdrawal .4 but it wouldn't let me 576818;1395603300;Duffer1;it kept ignoring the . and trying to withdraw the 4 576819;1395603302;dexX7;<_<" 576820;1395603318;Apocalyptic;what's ct ? 576821;1395603325;Duffer1;VD 576822;1395603333;Duffer1;i mean CipherTrade 576823;1395603356;dexX7;did you try "," instead of "."? 576824;1395603375;Duffer1;bah you damned euros lol no i didn't try a , 576825;1395603380;dexX7;hahaha 576826;1395603397;Duffer1;let me check 576827;1395603403;dexX7;yup 576828;1395603421;bounce;not the only shop that had that problem. add a 0 in front of that . and all should be well again. 576829;1395603507;Ghaleon_;anyone here install 0.9.0 on unbent from source ? 576830;1395603517;dexX7;if it works indeed with ",", it's funny, because the balance is shown as "x.y" 576831;1395603543;Duffer1;nope, it won't even let me enter a , or a . 576832;1395603566;Duffer1;i'm using firefox 576833;1395603573;Apocalyptic;have you tried what bounce suggested ? 576834;1395603603;Duffer1;ah thanks bounce i missed that, that does indeed work 576835;1395603636;dexX7;what did you enter exactly? 00.4? 576836;1395603666;jurov;he tried 0.o 576837;1395603675;dexX7;x_x 576838;1395603682;Duffer1;to answer your initial question dexX7 it is possible to withdraw LTC from CT. The transaction showed up almost immediately 576839;1395603690;Duffer1;i entered 0.4 576840;1395603695;dexX7;thanks 576841;1395603736;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 439 @ 0.00094503 = 0.4149 BTC [-] 576842;1395603752;Duffer1;although.. my balance still shows the original even after refresh 576843;1395603791;Duffer1;nm gone now 576844;1395603804;dexX7;yup, worked 576845;1395603987;ninjashogun;and in lighter news today - http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9247096/ATM_operators_eye_Linux_as_alternative_to_Windows_XP 576846;1395604336;Mats_cd03;i see today's topic of discussion was neuroscience 576847;1395604364;Mats_cd03;are we going to continue discussing genetics and biology as though theres an expert in here 576848;1395604424;jurov;https://www.predictious.com/economics/bitcoin-vs-berkshire-hathaway-march-2015/300-bitcoins-worth-more 576849;1395604425;ozbot;300 Bitcoins to be worth more than a share of Class A Berkshire Hathaway Stock on March 31st 2015 - 576850;1395604437;jurov;let's start by considering the question 576851;1395604446;jurov;whether above is parasitism or symbiosis 576852;1395604546;jurov;i can easily foresee the price end up between 300 and 315 and then predictious going down in flames 576853;1395604574;Mats_cd03;arbitrage opportunity at least 576854;1395604632;jurov;i think they already resell bitbet 576855;1395604639;Mats_cd03;and i propose a second bitbet - predictious shuttering by the same date 576856;1395604644;Mats_cd03;oh 576857;1395604756;jurov;lol 576858;1395604794;benkay;Mats_cd03: ninjashogun's an expert in all the fields. how dare you! 576859;1395604977;ninjashogun;benkay, nice to see you have nothing better to do on a Sunday than trolling. 576860;1395605021;ninjashogun;I'm no expert on neuroscience but I have sought out their opinions. Funny, the same as I've done here for financial info. The difference is that they didn't troll for it. 576861;1395605137;Mats_cd03;just having some fun at your expense 576862;1395605140;kakobrekla;jurov it seems you supported haxors. 576863;1395605197;mike_c;and they didn't change the link? interesting decision. 576864;1395605217;ninjashogun;Mats_cd03, :) 576865;1395605258;ninjashogun;you're cool Mats_cd03 . Actually you're all pretty cool but I may have to burn this nick and come back in two months if I want to hang out here. I've done that elsewhere. It's funny how the same people can be cool and total trolls. 576866;1395605270;kakobrekla;its odd, but its wp, so not much surprise there. 576867;1395605286;Mats_cd03;i nearly set a stack of newspapers on fire today with a soldering iron 576868;1395605297;ninjashogun;Mats_cd03, you weren't kidding about hardware :) 576869;1395605298;Mats_cd03;my proudest moment 576870;1395605326;dexX7;is the guy from blockr.io here? 576871;1395605340;kakobrekla;you can talk to me 576872;1395605352;jurov;I DEMAND REFUND 576873;1395605359;kakobrekla;jurov :D 576874;1395605372;dexX7;do you use blockchain.info as source? 576875;1395605391;dexX7;i have the problem of a confirmed transformation that is shown as unconfirmed on bc.i and doesn't exist on blockr 576876;1395605392;kakobrekla;i dunno source for what they should be but no 576877;1395605419;dexX7;7f3eadf5ada45c1eff3342eedc5153e1e2b1ec21e391ab8247c756ad4a08472c 576878;1395605433;dexX7;wait, this one is shown on blockr 576879;1395605437;dexX7;9e575ffc126b339c81f5bcf511d23f5ae24ce1a7f961aeade1e2afe54ef30808 576880;1395605443;dexX7;nvm 576881;1395605445;dexX7;also there 576882;1395605485;Mats_cd03;took a second for the tx to propagate across nodes? 576883;1395605505;dexX7;yea probably 576884;1395605513;kakobrekla;the propagation sometimes sucks bad 576885;1395605519;dexX7;but blockchain.info is still broken 576886;1395605521;jurov;yes i see it occassially too 576887;1395605542;dexX7;https://blockchain.info/tx/7f3eadf5ada45c1eff3342eedc5153e1e2b1ec21e391ab8247c756ad4a08472c is unconfirmed vs. 2 conf in reality 576888;1395605543;ozbot;Bitcoin Transaction 7f3eadf5ada45c1eff3342eedc5153e1e2b1ec21e391ab8247c756ad4a08472c 576889;1395605563;kakobrekla;so blockr pwnz? 576890;1395605571;jurov;or they are on a fork 576891;1395605577;nubbins`;re: mainframes 576892;1395605580;jurov;or you are on a fork 576893;1395605585;dexX7;i like blockr 576894;1395605591;kakobrekla;im on a chair 576895;1395605592;nubbins`;at my last job, all our customer databases were built in the 80s 576896;1395605598;nubbins`;most didn't bother with primary keys 576897;1395605612;Mats_cd03;lol 576898;1395605627;Mats_cd03;excel dbs for auth? 576899;1395605661;nubbins`;nah all AS/400 576900;1395605674;nubbins`;plaintext passwords tho D: 576901;1395605703;kakobrekla;bc info is 4 block behind 576902;1395605727;dexX7;jurov: maybe, but ... "real" block height: 292106, bc.i: 292102 576903;1395605728;dexX7;yup 576904;1395605740;Mats_cd03;i consulted for a place once where all the user, admin passwords were plaintext and shared the same excel file as the auth for the hvac systems and scif 576905;1395605747;dexX7;(i submitted the tx as raw on bci, that's why they are at least there) 576906;1395605773;Mats_cd03;i reported it after i left and two execs got fired months afterwards 576907;1395605790;Mats_cd03;#preventingthenextsnowden 576908;1395605794;dexX7;:D 576909;1395605801;nubbins`;i reported plaintext passwords and the response was "yeah, we know" 576910;1395605810;nubbins`;#preventingnothing 576911;1395605872;Mats_cd03;worst place i ever worked 576912;1395605886;Mats_cd03;dealing with policies and procedures and bureaucratic garbage rather than doing my job 576913;1395605896;Mats_cd03;no ipods cause manning fucked that up for everybody 576914;1395605918;Mats_cd03;but yeah... opsec... 576915;1395605993;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0580001 = 0.116 BTC [-] {2} 576916;1395606018;Mats_cd03;https://soundcloud.com/whiiite/luniz-i-got-5-on-it-whiiite-x its too quiet in here 576917;1395606056;radan;I outted Karpeles a long time ago 576918;1395606061;radan;http://varimja.tumblr.com/post/69360209766/bitcoin-a-concise-history 576919;1395606075;ninjashogun;Mats_cd03, asciilifeform and mirceau-p's Cardano - a physical device that escrows private keys and signs documents passed to it over USB - stored passwords as plaintext on the theory that a loss or theft should be considered catastrophic anyway. So storing in plaintext means people will practice better opsec 576920;1395606085;*;jayk spit darts karpeles 576921;1395606089;ninjashogun;stores* 576922;1395606102;Mats_cd03;wat 576923;1395606108;Apocalyptic;radan, so did MP 576924;1395606115;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06001436 = 0.12 BTC [-] 576925;1395606144;ninjashogun;Mats_cd03, http://cryptome.org/2013/10/bitcoin-usb-gpg.htm 576926;1395606149;radan;I don't doubt it 576927;1395606155;radan;my analysis began and ended with "he's a jew" 576928;1395606171;radan;I think that tells you everything about him, more or less 576929;1395606171;Mats_cd03;there was more than one egregious security offense in that event 576930;1395606176;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.06000641 = 0.6601 BTC [-] {7} 576931;1395606180;radan;the man's basically a walking stereotype 576932;1395606186;dexX7;mp is involved with cryptome? 576933;1395606199;dexX7;nvm 576934;1395606204;Mats_cd03;they eschewed any preventive administrative controls 576935;1395606221;Mats_cd03;least privilege, separation of duties, leaving the damn thing on a shared network folder 576936;1395606237;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 711 @ 0.00301 = 2.1401 BTC [-] {5} 576937;1395606253;Mats_cd03;i understand what youre trying to say, pidgin and an infinite number of developers agree with that idea 576938;1395606270;Mats_cd03;that doesnt mean you stop layering security 576939;1395606280;dexX7;speaking of security. in 8 days is the worldwide backup day :) 576940;1395606284;Mats_cd03;you know how spy tradecraft works? 576941;1395606298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11222 @ 0.00094348 = 10.5877 BTC [-] {2} 576942;1395606298;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00298105 = 0.1043 BTC [-] 576943;1395606308;Mats_cd03;its not the techniques per se, its the obscurity in practice that evades detection 576944;1395606350;mike_c;good track Mats_cd03 576945;1395606359;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00298102 = 0.2653 BTC [-] 576946;1395606361;radan;must be nice knowing all those fancy crypto 576947;1395606364;radan;things 576948;1395606391;radan;you can probably store data very securely 576949;1395606394;Mats_cd03;lol 576950;1395606418;Mats_cd03;> This man is an Ashkenazi of French background living in Japan. 576951;1395606440;Mats_cd03;this reminded me of drake, the rapper 576952;1395606442;jurov;asciilifeform took great pains to explain not even host PC shouldn't be able to recognize it's cardano 576953;1395606466;Mats_cd03;a canadian jew in the rap game... luls 576954;1395606542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00299999 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2} 576955;1395606585;radan;if you're jewish, the world's your stage 576956;1395606605;radan;there's friendly people in positions of power in every industry wanting to see you succeed 576957;1395606643;Mats_cd03;do you feel disenfranchised 576958;1395606660;radan;very 576959;1395606671;radan;they're the new nobility and no one recognizes it 576960;1395606682;mike_c;this clearly helped karpales. look how great he's doing! 576961;1395606743;radan;he's not in jail yet and he's got a lot of money. 576962;1395606751;radan;I'd say he's doing well for himself 576963;1395606810;mike_c;if only you had different genes, you could be rich too. 576964;1395606817;mike_c;if only you weren't you. 576965;1395606828;radan;Judaism isn't genetic 576966;1395606834;mike_c;i'm talking about you. 576967;1395606847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28635 @ 0.00094692 = 27.1151 BTC [+] {2} 576968;1395606853;radan;I'm jewish by jewish law because my grandmother was a jew 576969;1395606885;Mats_cd03;race envy is terribly out of fashion 576970;1395606912;radan;what a good argument against anything 576971;1395606921;radan;"do you realize how unfashionable you're being" 576972;1395606946;Apocalyptic;<radan> they're the new nobility and no one recognizes it // some do 576973;1395606946;mike_c;try this. do you realize you sound like a whiny child? 576974;1395606959;Mats_cd03;"the jews" have less power now than they have ever had at any time in history 576975;1395607014;benkay;lol karpeles is satoshi 576976;1395607016;benkay;i like this one 576977;1395607049;radan;a single Jewish family controls 40% of sweden's enterprise 576978;1395607085;benkay;radan you're a muslim? 576979;1395607111;radan;... 576980;1395607119;benkay;Mats_cd03: MOAR TRAXX 576981;1395607133;radan;where did that come from 576982;1395607153;benkay;all the allah wankery on your blog 576983;1395607195;radan;that's me making fun of muslims 576984;1395607199;radan;get with the times, old man 576985;1395607201;dexX7;hehe benkay, the track is indeed fine. i usually use di.fm for music :) 576986;1395607212;radan;irony's the new hip thing 576987;1395607214;benkay;ah 576988;1395607231;kakobrekla;if anyone is curious, it was akismet that ships default with wp. 576989;1395607238;benkay;needs more context, radan. 576990;1395607241;dub;jews making fun of muslims lel 576991;1395607243;Mats_cd03;benkay: do you like happy by pharrell? 576992;1395607261;Apocalyptic;kako, the flawed plugin you mean ? 576993;1395607280;Mats_cd03;benkay: http://www.yourmusicradar.com/pharrell-happy-feat-the-notorious-b-i-g-dj-rob-dinero-remix/ 576994;1395607280;benkay;Mats_cd03: kinda anemic. 576995;1395607280;radan;anyway, I'm in the oil industry 576996;1395607299;radan;possibly the industry where jewish connections can least help me 576997;1395607329;benkay;filthy capital intensive operations 576998;1395607342;Mats_cd03;and some kanye for the young bloods in here www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0FtrbhfhWg 576999;1395607372;benkay;;;seen Vexual 577000;1395607372;gribble;Vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 3 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat 577001;1395607401;dexX7;<radan> anyway, I'm in the oil industry << burn in hell, kafir 577002;1395607405;dexX7;jk lol 577003;1395607434;benkay;Mats_cd03: https://soundcloud.com/eatdatcake/caked-up-drop-that-original 577004;1395607470;benkay;ah kanye 577005;1395607483;benkay;that guy. 577006;1395607564;Mats_cd03;how's your son? 577007;1395607576;Mats_cd03;he make the team this year? 577008;1395607579;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.00299999 = 0.219 BTC [+] 577009;1395607582;Mats_cd03;Aw th-, they said he wasn't tall enough? 577010;1395607622;Mats_cd03;benkay: you've outed yourself, i can tell you do shitloads of drugs 577011;1395607630;benkay;not as many as i once did 577012;1395607648;benkay;shit to do these days. 577013;1395607726;Mats_cd03;cake up to wake up, sip that shit pass out or play playstation 577014;1395607738;Mats_cd03;i think im betraying my age... afk 577015;1395607748;benkay;you're coked to the gills in here regularly, Mats_cd03. 577016;1395607754;asciilifeform;http://www.latinpost.com/articles/9371/20140323/germans-seize-cocaine-sent-to-vatican.htm 577017;1395607759;benkay;leastaways seems that way hurr hurr hurr 577018;1395607786;benkay;relevant yet unrelated photo of lines 577019;1395607792;Mats_cd03;youre only seeing the highlight reels 577020;1395607915;benkay;subject of the Vin Mariani the smart kids have introduced me to their new favorite habit of dissolving high-grade cocaine in high-test alcohol and eyedroppering it into their drinks 577021;1395607928;benkay;"smart". 577022;1395607937;benkay;and it was just one of them. 577023;1395607959;asciilifeform;1880s state of the art! 577024;1395607967;benkay;everything old is new again. 577025;1395608047;benkay;i wonder if it reflects something about culture. leaving the boom/bust of pushing crystals through a delicate membrane for a more even dosage level over a longer period of time. 577026;1395608205;dexX7;kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg5862210#msg5862210 what happened here? 577027;1395608227;Mats_cd03;benkay: https://soundcloud.com/c2cdjs/down-the-road 577028;1395608230;dexX7;oh lol 577029;1395608238;dexX7;never mind.. it's a scam imposter site the guy mentioned 577030;1395608375;Mats_cd03;http://www.onr.navy.mil/~/media/Files/Fact-Sheets/35/Free-Electron-Laser-2012C.ashx 577031;1395608388;Mats_cd03;turns out putting nuclear reactors on ships is a great idea 577032;1395608419;Mats_cd03;(old news) 577033;1395608568;dexX7;urgh 577034;1395608607;dexX7;bci is catching up 577035;1395608615;kakobrekla;jurov it happend 13 days ago. by the timing im guessing you hacked it, sent the money to yourself and now want a refund! 577036;1395608640;jurov;interesting. any evidence? 577037;1395608652;kakobrekla;yes examining now 577038;1395608656;dexX7;https://blockchain.info/orphaned-blocks << did they drop? 577039;1395608712;dexX7;is there an alternative? 577040;1395608756;User__;do you guys trust https://blockchain.info ? 577041;1395608763;dexX7;not anymore 577042;1395608765;dexX7;it's buggy 577043;1395608774;User__;dexX7 how do you know? from the UI 577044;1395608792;dexX7;until a few minutes ago blockchain.info was more than 6 blocks behind 577045;1395608799;dexX7;and i confirm this with two nodes i run myself 577046;1395608808;dexX7;and www.blockr.io :) 577047;1395608845;dexX7;but i have no idea, how you could see that something is wrong, if you only look at blockchain.info itself 577048;1395608881;User__;what about as an online wallet? 577049;1395608945;dexX7;at the very moment everything seems to be fine 577050;1395608993;dexX7;well, worst case is probably that you are "behind". coins should never be at risk, especially because blockchain.info is not the holder of coins 577051;1395609018;dexX7;you may export the privat keys from your online wallet, just in case 577052;1395609037;Mats_cd03;you should not be using online wallets at all 577053;1395609096;cazalla;https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/447467794729156608 why hold a meetup at all? 577054;1395609126;dexX7;and if you do, you may look at: https://www.bitgo.com + https://api.trustedcoin.com//#/ + https://greenaddress.it/ 577055;1395609255;dexX7;fyi: checked the last 100+ blocks. blockchain.info is in sync 577056;1395609287;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00299 = 0.1435 BTC [-] {3} 577057;1395609409;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05799999 = 0.116 BTC [+] 577058;1395609440;Mats_cd03;cause bitcoiners wanna be famous and network too 577059;1395609531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.058 = 0.116 BTC [+] 577060;1395609738;cazalla;yes but would you go to an @aantonop meet up with no women? 577061;1395609823;mircea_popescu;jurov oh i see 577062;1395609837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05700005 = 0.114 BTC [-] 577063;1395609897;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.057 = 0.912 BTC [-] {3} 577064;1395610119;Mats_cd03;http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/ippc-to-deliver-darkest-draft-yet/story-e6frg6so-1226862631968 via slashdot 577065;1395610121;ozbot;Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian 577066;1395610126;mircea_popescu;lol 577067;1395610568;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0560001 = 0.112 BTC [-] 577068;1395610744;jurov;hi mircea_popescu, heard what's new on bitcoin-assets.com ? 577069;1395610758;mircea_popescu;jurov notrly ? 577070;1395610774;jurov;a donation addy 577071;1395610782;jurov;one kako did not knew about 577072;1395610806;Apocalyptic;he claims the wp was hacked 577073;1395610839;dexX7;19 btc donated? 577074;1395610843;dexX7;https://blockchain.info/address/1B6NP9eb4RKy9tRrXYCJnNcenZkrt5Q2gb 577075;1395610844;ozbot;Bitcoin Address 1B6NP9eb4RKy9tRrXYCJnNcenZkrt5Q2gb 577076;1395610862;jurov;no that's the right one afaik 577077;1395610883;dexX7;that's the one linked at the bottom of the website 577078;1395610884;jurov;i had donated to 14uG7Qcu7riB9rthmmqjVVNn7gtGkZPFGC instead 577079;1395610891;jurov;kako fixed it 577080;1395610894;dexX7;ah 577081;1395610939;jurov;fortunately only 0.1 577082;1395610956;dexX7;i would worry more about a potential hack than 0.1 btc 577083;1395610979;jurov;BITCOIN-ASSETS LOGS STOLEN 577084;1395610984;dexX7;OMG 577085;1395611000;mircea_popescu;wait what ?! 577086;1395611005;dexX7;all teh gossip and slander available for the public!? 577087;1395611021;mircea_popescu;so how did the false addy end up there ? 577088;1395611046;jurov;last words were "still under investigation" 577089;1395611089;mircea_popescu;i did not know this. 577090;1395611199;Apocalyptic;dexX7, more like the logs could be edited, don't know to what extend it was compromised 577091;1395611228;mircea_popescu;so whichever of you guise did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_Popescu i still think wikipedia sucks. 577092;1395611234;kakobrekla;the logs were not edited ( except for the shit-smeller part) 577093;1395611257;dexX7;Apocalyptic: good point 577094;1395611345;ninjashogun;it says there is no article of that name 577095;1395611401;ninjashogun;any of you familiar with the 'black swan' concept? 577096;1395611432;ninjashogun;Do you think the bitcoin phenomenon counts as one? 577097;1395611615;Mats_cd03;i fancy taleb myself but i find the concept unpalatable 577098;1395611694;JorgePasada;mats_cd03 I think Taleb would have come off better if so much of his contempt for the people who laughed at him for being wrong all though the financial bubbles didn't seep through his writing. Great ideas, great thoughts/concepts, somewhat poorly presented. 577099;1395611726;Mats_cd03;it is not repeatable, testable, or falsifiable 577100;1395611727;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00299 = 0.4485 BTC [-] {3} 577101;1395611745;Mats_cd03;it doesnt pass a test of any rigor known by science 577102;1395611746;mike_c;kako said it was the akismet plugin for wordpress that allowed the hack. 577103;1395611778;Apocalyptic;hum, http://www.exploit-db.com/search/?action=search&filter_page=1&filter_description=akismet&filter_exploit_text=&filter_author=&filter_platform=0&filter_type=0&filter_lang_id=0&filter_port=&filter_osvdb=&filter_cve= 577104;1395611792;Apocalyptic;only one known exploit for this, and it's from 2007... 577105;1395611885;CheckDavid;I need money to start a business. 577106;1395611910;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.0557 = 1.671 BTC [-] 577107;1395611933;Mats_cd03;i need business to start a money 577108;1395611971;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23843 @ 0.00095123 = 22.6802 BTC [+] {2} 577109;1395611971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06299797 = 0.189 BTC [+] {2} 577110;1395611995;TestingUnoDosTre;I've got free money for invetipreneurities 577111;1395612061;Apocalyptic;CheckDavid, what kind of business ? 577112;1395612088;dexX7;it's a shame that everyone started to yell about the sec stuff, but it was known since korbman was called by them weeks? earlier 577113;1395612097;*;bounce puts down a high hat and fiddles a tune of big plans and obvious competence 577114;1395612111;CheckDavid;Web business Apocalyptic . a different kind of job board 577115;1395612121;mike_c;good to know the WSJ is still weeks behind b-a 577116;1395612137;dexX7;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-02-2014#535777 577117;1395612141;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 577118;1395612251;TestingUnoDosTre;the SEC has been calling people as well as emailing? I didn't realize they worked so much 577119;1395612254;dexX7;well, i guess the flow of bitcoin news is something like assets-> trilema -> reddit -> mass media 577120;1395612321;benkay;good one, Mats_cd03. that's what i'm doing. 577121;1395612332;ninjashogun;hi - I am attempting to make an introduction to someone who has LTC for sale (person I would introduce wants to buy ltc). (mid five figures in us fiat). Might someone here be interested? 577122;1395612344;mircea_popescu;JorgePasada does have a point, he does read a little bitter. 577123;1395612348;Mats_cd03;benkay: asscoins? 577124;1395612364;mircea_popescu;<Mats_cd03> i need business to start a money << hahaha epic. 577125;1395612375;bounce;you just missed the kid in -otc, though he offered euros 577126;1395612423;benkay;Mats_cd03: derpy web apps 577127;1395612453;mircea_popescu;dexX7 not so sure reddit beats that all too often 577128;1395612459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [+] 577129;1395612460;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 81 @ 0.05475965 = 4.4355 BTC [-] {8} 577130;1395612461;mircea_popescu;i guess it depends on degrees of separation from cat 577131;1395612505;radan;is bitcoin an end or a means to an end 577132;1395612536;JorgePasada;mircea_popescu: Overall I like Taleb, I just wish he'd present his ideas without so much of his emotional baggage... but I guess that's the struggle of communication in general. He probably wouldn't be nearly the same person without all those experiences, so I guess some of it is bound to seep through 577133;1395612544;mircea_popescu;radan http://trilema.com/2014/heres-a-thought-being-bitcoin-is-more-of-a-something-to-be-than-being-jewish-ever-was-or-could-ever-be/ 577134;1395612564;Mats_cd03;hahaha 577135;1395612569;radan;I read it 577136;1395612572;mircea_popescu;JorgePasada i think this comes with the territory of being old. in the following specific sense : 577137;1395612586;radan;it makes sense logically, but judaism isn't a logical entity 577138;1395612589;mircea_popescu;we easily laugh at kids today because they're wimps, no experience with physical violence, completely unable to cope with physical reality. 577139;1395612598;radan;it involves ties of emotions, genetics, history, and shared experience 577140;1395612602;mircea_popescu;meanwhile however, they are experts at handling what's called "trolling" 577141;1395612607;radan;none of these are things that bitcoin can emulate 577142;1395612608;mircea_popescu;people born before the 80s utterly suck at that 577143;1395612617;mircea_popescu;"how could he say i fuck donkeys in my spare time!111" 577144;1395612682;mircea_popescu;so in a sense, it's a quid pro quo, and taleb is captive of his generation. 577145;1395612711;JorgePasada;I agree with that observation completely, the trolling thing 577146;1395612733;JorgePasada;especially that younger generations are much better at dealing with it 577147;1395612761;mircea_popescu;it's very visible to me because i have to be veeehehery careful to insulate the older (mostly engineering) people working for me 577148;1395612764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.065999 = 0.66 BTC [+] 577149;1395612770;mircea_popescu;from the pr stuff. otherwise they end up moping and all indignant 577150;1395612778;mircea_popescu;"but how can they say that! THAT IS SO STUPID!!!" 577151;1395612844;JorgePasada;Trying to tie something into this and make a salient point... 577152;1395612883;JorgePasada;something in the vein of emotional resilience and self reliance vs physical 577153;1395612887;mircea_popescu;i usually go listen, forgot about that, it's not your job, let the girls handle it etc. 577154;1395612935;TestingUnoDosTre;do you pay workers in btc? 577155;1395612947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00095095 = 25.4855 BTC [-] 577156;1395612957;mircea_popescu;mostly yeah 577157;1395613006;TestingUnoDosTre;do the engineers freak out a lot with price changes, or do they understand how to protect themselves from shifts in price if they care to do so 577158;1395613021;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone actually depends on it. 577159;1395613045;mircea_popescu;srsly now, as an engineer, if you're any good and you got to be old, how the fuck would you actually need a salary 577160;1395613059;mike_c;multiple divorces 577161;1395613062;TestingUnoDosTre;lol 577162;1395613068;TestingUnoDosTre;multiple children 577163;1395613069;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00299 = 0.1794 BTC [-] {2} 577164;1395613089;mircea_popescu;hehe i guess so 577165;1395613149;mircea_popescu;and it's not only on this angle, either 577166;1395613159;mircea_popescu;old people are for some reason really really concerned with libel 577167;1395613172;mircea_popescu;to the degree they can't even write for the internet. what if someone doesn't like what they say!!1 577168;1395613190;mircea_popescu;as if, you know. everybody loves raymond or some shit. 577169;1395613214;mircea_popescu;but as ridiculous as it may seem, a lot of older people have serious trouble coping with the idea that well... not everybody is going to like them. no matter what they do. 577170;1395613231;mircea_popescu;it's what informs all the god-awful "pr" everyone else is doing. 577171;1395613254;JorgePasada;one of the weird dichotomies coming out of the internet and the whole 'trolling' thing 577172;1395613266;CheckDavid;Mats_cd03: u r a genius 577173;1395613267;JorgePasada;Is I'm meeting more and more young people who realize earlier on in their lives 577174;1395613274;Mats_cd03;whats the timeline on +m and 0.1btc for +v 577175;1395613278;JorgePasada;that they don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of them and they're content being themselves 577176;1395613283;JorgePasada;the flip side of that is 577177;1395613290;JorgePasada;it seems like it breaks a lot of kids 577178;1395613304;JorgePasada;some of my younger cousins are throughly fucked up 577179;1395613310;mircea_popescu;the bill cosby problem 577180;1395613312;mircea_popescu;wearting their clothes backwards :D 577181;1395613314;mircea_popescu;myeah. 577182;1395613407;JorgePasada;This stuff is pretty high up the stack though, i mean, in terms of the maslows triange stuff 577183;1395613443;JorgePasada;weird thing is, for me at least, the more firm footing I found in the upper self actualization shit, the less of a base I felt I needed to stand on for the other stuff 577184;1395613444;mircea_popescu;im not so sure about that. 577185;1395613468;mircea_popescu;take a shy chick to the nude beach, she'll usually rather part with the clothing than be considered a loser by the other chicks. 577186;1395613486;mircea_popescu;apparently the need to belong beats clothing and shelter. 577187;1395613496;JorgePasada;I'd agree to that 577188;1395613499;JorgePasada;in matters of style 577189;1395613503;JorgePasada;or culture 577190;1395613506;mircea_popescu;nudity is style ?! 577191;1395613514;JorgePasada;god I hope so 577192;1395613543;mircea_popescu;"all she got about her is the way that she walks... 577193;1395613549;mircea_popescu;cause she can't dance... she can't sing... 577194;1395613557;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [-] {2} 577195;1395613577;JorgePasada;I guess I was about to draw a line where there really isn't one, but like... when it comes to culture/style vs morality and ethics 577196;1395613583;JorgePasada;kind of more of a spectrum I guess 577197;1395613586;mircea_popescu;myeah 577198;1395613604;JorgePasada;But I mean... hmm 577199;1395613609;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1753362/plain/) 577200;1395613609;mircea_popescu;!b 1 577201;1395613619;mircea_popescu;that'll be like the -assets motto 577202;1395613629;JorgePasada;I guess if it were like "Stoning people cause it's the cool thing" and I felt like I was going to get my ass beat if I didn't stone someone 577203;1395613633;JorgePasada;I might, I dunno 577204;1395613640;JorgePasada;interesting thing to think about 577205;1395613653;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 who knows, may even happen this year. 577206;1395613659;mircea_popescu;ideally it never happens 577207;1395613663;JorgePasada;I'd like to think I'd never use force or violence against another human without it being initiated on me first, but... 577208;1395613666;JorgePasada;yeah, ideally that 577209;1395613678;JorgePasada;that being said, still glad I know how to shoot well 577210;1395613679;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.065999 = 0.33 BTC [+] 577211;1395613801;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.065999 = 0.264 BTC [+] 577212;1395613910;Mats_cd03;are you allowed to carry concealed in your jurisdiction, JorgePasada? 577213;1395613930;JorgePasada;mats_cd03: Yep, with a permit, which I have. 577214;1395613968;JorgePasada;A bunch of restrictions on it though 577215;1395613975;benkay;murca! 577216;1395613982;Mats_cd03;murica: land of the free and guns 577217;1395614146;Mats_cd03;friendly reminder for all readers in the us following along 577218;1395614222;Mats_cd03;if you live in an unsafe area and are in need of home defense, find yourself an antique handgun or firearm: legal to own and unnecessary to declare to local LE in many jurisdictions 577219;1395614271;Mats_cd03;downsides: expensive, typically slow to reload, usually involves a grand jury investigation 577220;1395614288;benkay;whatever happened to hiring muscle? 577221;1395614289;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 256 @ 0.00297961 = 0.7628 BTC [-] {4} 577222;1395614299;benkay;!t h rent 577223;1395614300;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525000 / 0.00541687 / 0.00556000 (1177 shares, 6.37565958 BTC), 7D: 0.00511800 / 0.00542967 / 0.00568690 (2166 shares, 11.76065904 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00555978 / 0.00900001 (50129 shares, 278.70606449 BTC) 577224;1395614334;Mats_cd03;upsides: low collateral damage, sometimes you can hide the body before authorities appear and forensics will be of little assistance to LE 577225;1395614342;mircea_popescu;i'm with benkay. if you live in an unsafe area, just open a bar, pass free drinks to the teenaged hoodlums, watch them mow down the police if you ever need any help 577226;1395614392;benkay;way better 577227;1395614405;mircea_popescu;definitely cheaper, certainly more enjoyable. 577228;1395614406;mike_c;wow, RENT has been dipping below ipo already? and btc hasn't even gone up yet. 577229;1395614413;benkay;mhm 577230;1395614413;Mats_cd03;id be worried about my place of business being razed by 50 calibre rounds 577231;1395614427;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 just add steel plating in the walls. 577232;1395614431;Mats_cd03;dont you know local cops in the us now have dedicated swat teams? 577233;1395614440;mircea_popescu;so ? 577234;1395614458;mircea_popescu;go for a hundred rounds/week average. 577235;1395614469;benkay;well you gotta hedge by taking the commissioner out to dinner regularly too 577236;1395614474;mircea_popescu;collect all the spent cartridges and have the local chicks make art 577237;1395614492;Mats_cd03;i saw an MRAP from afghanistan in a parade for st patricks day 577238;1395614493;mircea_popescu;benkay in a sane country, maybe. in the us, he's not worth the time. 577239;1395614529;Mats_cd03;it had been retrofitted for use by LE... i pooped myself 577240;1395614536;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/AltcoinInvest check it out ThickAsThieves 577241;1395614537;ozbot;Altcoin Investments (AltcoinInvest) on Twitter 577242;1395614538;benkay;single tear. 577243;1395614571;Mats_cd03;i have seen those things get blasted by a buried 120mm shell and witnessed the driver walking away from the explosion 577244;1395614603;benkay;hey mircea_popescu wouldja invite @anjiecast to join us? 577245;1395614623;mircea_popescu;ya srsly 577246;1395614661;benkay;"Feminism is not a gulag–it’s not like there are guards that'll shoot you if you try to escape." http://time.com/30397/duke-porn-star-is-right-kink-can-be-a-feminist-choice/ … idk still skeptical 577247;1395614696;mircea_popescu;what's to be skeptical about ? 577248;1395614705;mircea_popescu;feminist slavegirls ftw. 577249;1395614706;benkay;fuck if i can figure out how to link to a specific tweet 577250;1395614732;benkay;well its twitter. i imagine she has to stake out some controversial stance. 577251;1395614764;benkay;american feminism is totally down with lifestyle bdsm man 577252;1395614772;mircea_popescu;right. 577253;1395614809;benkay;but on the internet, say anything off party line and get burnt. 577254;1395614830;benkay;far easier to have this conversation with the lady in question present. 577255;1395614898;wao-ende1;whats happening with vircurex? 577256;1395614900;mircea_popescu;well maybe she joins 577257;1395614923;mircea_popescu;so far i've noticed people tend to join when invited. 577258;1395614942;ThickAsThieves;"Orphancoin has potential for real world adoption." 577259;1395614945;ThickAsThieves;hehe 577260;1395614960;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00095095 = 23.2983 BTC [-] 577261;1395614983;mircea_popescu;is this a coin where every block's an orphan or is this a coin that will be "airdropped" on orphans 577262;1395615023;ThickAsThieves;it'll be airdropped on mommies and daddies that love each other very much 577263;1395615080;mircea_popescu;umm 577264;1395615096;mircea_popescu;wait, it's a "trade children currency" ? 577265;1395615097;mircea_popescu;bejesus. 577266;1395615127;asciilifeform;slavecoin! 577267;1395615197;ThickAsThieves;http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners 577268;1395615197;ozbot;Butterfly Labs and BF Labs, Inc. Bitcoin Miners | Wood Law Firm 577269;1395615212;mircea_popescu;myeah. 577270;1395615224;ThickAsThieves;isnt katecraig's name "Wood"? 577271;1395615228;ThickAsThieves;scam! 577272;1395615252;ThickAsThieves;"we seek to create a list of gullible idiots" 577273;1395615360;mircea_popescu;lol no, it's an actual law firm from like missouri iirc 577274;1395615382;mircea_popescu;modern day ambulance chasers, they mostly work injury and consumer claims 577275;1395615492;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/215mbl/psa_dont_losebreak_your_phone_if_youre_doing_2fa/ 577276;1395615506;nubbins`;how's this for a PSA: back up your fuckin phone 577277;1395615509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.00094938 = 26.2978 BTC [-] {2} 577278;1395615587;benkay;not as though 2fa really helps if your counterparties are incompetent 577279;1395615593;benkay;;;google cascadian hacker 2fa 577280;1395615594;gribble;No matches found. 577281;1395615596;benkay;wat 577282;1395615600;ThickAsThieves;not that it's the best solution, but doesn't the Authy app store 2fa in their "cloud" 577283;1395615604;benkay;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_webwallets-will-always-fail-fr33aids-wallet-robbed-blockchaininfo-complicit-in-2fa-compromise.html 577284;1395615605;ozbot;Webwallets Will Always Fail - Fr33aid's wallet robbed, Blockchain.info complicit in 2FA compromise 577285;1395615802;mircea_popescu;princessnell as opposed to eskimo nell ? 577286;1395615863;nubbins`;fun fact, "eskimo" is a derogatory term in canada 577287;1395615911;mircea_popescu;eh everything's a derogatory term somewhere 577288;1395615916;nubbins`;nod 577289;1395615919;mircea_popescu;but eskimo nell's a thing. 577290;1395615924;mircea_popescu;;;google "eskimo nell" 577291;1395615925;gribble;The Ballad of Eskimo Nell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ballad_of_Eskimo_Nell>; Eskimo Nell - Rugby Songs Home: <http://www.rugbysongs.net/028%20Eskimo%20Nell.htm>; The Ballad of Eskimo Nell: <http://www.low.net.au/eskimo.html> 577292;1395615955;nubbins`;afaik the literal translation of eskimo is "eater of raw meat" 577293;1395615975;nubbins`;and this caused some consternation from the inhabitants of canada's north 577294;1395615990;mircea_popescu;well... they look like they eat the meat raw... 577295;1395615996;nubbins`;it's totally a thing 577296;1395615998;mircea_popescu;:D 577297;1395616015;nubbins`;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/governor-general-applauded-denounced-for-eating-raw-seal/article4292531/ 577298;1395616016;ozbot;Governor-General applauded, denounced for eating raw seal - The Globe and Mail 577299;1395616024;mircea_popescu;i wonder how long before southpark starts idling in here to crib material for furhter episodes. 577300;1395616061;mircea_popescu;nubbins` actually you know what ? fuck! you don't need to make a quarterly \book or w/e 577301;1395616064;mircea_popescu;you need to make a shitty cartoon 577302;1395616071;mircea_popescu;like sorta-parodic mockery of assets 577303;1395616094;nubbins`;imagine, a haitian woman becomes the queen's representative in canada, and flies up north to eat raw meat with people who take offense at being called eaters of raw meat 577304;1395616094;kakobrekla;anyway, some noob exploited aksimet default shipping plugin, changed the address and left everything behind. this happened 13 days ago. everything else checks out. 577305;1395616115;nubbins`;that's a storyline right there 577306;1395616117;dub;HHFT of bitcoin 577307;1395616128;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla sheeeit 577308;1395616143;kakobrekla;0.1 btc a dignity is lost. 577309;1395616149;mircea_popescu;do you even php 577310;1395616173;nubbins`;do you even pcp 577311;1395616181;mircea_popescu;i sometimes pgp... 577312;1395616186;kakobrekla;since today on i have a dedicated wp secretary 577313;1395616192;kakobrekla;things will improve! 577314;1395616202;kakobrekla;said garr 577315;1395616208;mircea_popescu;cut your cock off and get implants! 577316;1395616224;mircea_popescu;btw, speaking of butterfly abs : 577317;1395616224;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/61464935f76488c88a645bb814fe9938/tumblr_mg8i4jh6AC1s0ece5o1_1280.jpg 577318;1395616327;kakobrekla;jurov your addy? 577319;1395616369;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/anjiecast << anyone know who those two guys are in the background there ? 577320;1395616370;ozbot;Andrea Castillo (anjiecast) on Twitter 577321;1395616393;dub;butterfly labes 577322;1395616406;benkay;butterfly lobes 577323;1395616425;benkay;fuck mircea_popescu it's rattling around somewhere in my brain... 577324;1395616441;phf;dali and man ray 577325;1395616444;mircea_popescu;"your head's very small and the brain's rattling around" 577326;1395616446;benkay;yesssssss 577327;1395616459;benkay;oi. 577328;1395616462;mircea_popescu;lol 577329;1395616470;mircea_popescu;phf ty :) 577330;1395616486;benkay;princessnell: are you the just-linked anjiecast? 577331;1395616505;mircea_popescu;more usefully : hey princessnell, to talk you write in the bar to the bottom of the screen and press enter. 577332;1395616516;benkay;i always forget that 577333;1395616588;mircea_popescu;by the way : here's dali saying romania is the best there is 577334;1395616588;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/radu-varia/ 577335;1395616589;ozbot;Radu Varia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 577336;1395616621;benkay;well the pit is prepared for his afternoon training. i'm off to make him a better dog. 577337;1395616630;nubbins`;i had a prof for vector calculus named oana radu 577338;1395616638;ninjashogun;what's the online wallet with the best reputation? 577339;1395616655;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7BvtmDcv_U 577340;1395616655;ozbot;Oana Radu & Dr Mako feat. Eli - Tu - YouTube 577341;1395616656;mircea_popescu;that chick ? 577342;1395616697;benkay;ninjashogun: web wallets are anathema. 577343;1395616700;mircea_popescu;(oana is top 20 frequency name for a girl, radu is top 50 or so frequency for a boy. gypsyes in the south keep calling themselves firstname-firstname) 577344;1395616701;nubbins`;nope 577345;1395616726;ninjashogun;holy #$@ mirceau you sure know how to pick them. But I would never go for a woman with such an intellectually provocative public profile. Only the ones who keep that to themselves (as I do). makes everything easier :) :) 577346;1395616740;nubbins`;http://www.amoeba.com/live-shows/detail-2643/videos/ 577347;1395616740;ozbot;Death - Live at Amoeba Music 577348;1395616742;nubbins`;^ 577349;1395616778;ninjashogun;also, anyone who lists "psychology" as an interest is dead to me. They are beyond crazy, and without exception. I don't know a single marker as predictive of mental instability as interest in psychology. 577350;1395616851;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05261133 = 0.1578 BTC [-] {2} 577351;1395617034;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0526 = 0.1052 BTC [-] {2} 577352;1395617065;mircea_popescu;;;seen moiety 577353;1395617065;gribble;moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 21 hours, 50 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <moiety> i sreepy, good mew all, whatever your timezone! 577354;1395617069;mircea_popescu;;;seen izzy_ 577355;1395617070;gribble;izzy_ was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 15 hours, 9 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <Izzy_> ok 577356;1395617089;mircea_popescu;long weekend in pennsylvania ? 577357;1395617251;ThickAsThieves;<mircea_popescu> https://twitter.com/anjiecast << anyone know who those two guys are in the background there ? /// Dali 577358;1395617261;mircea_popescu;as per the log :p 577359;1395617265;ThickAsThieves;oh 577360;1395617278;mircea_popescu;i was mostly messing with benkay 577361;1395617282;mircea_popescu;and successfully i might add :D 577362;1395617334;ThickAsThieves;mp you look pretty hardcore with that shaved head and beard now 577363;1395617355;mircea_popescu;why ty 577364;1395617382;ThickAsThieves;first time shaved? 577365;1395617390;ThickAsThieves;is it itchy? 577366;1395617399;benkay;SO CONFUS 577367;1395617441;mircea_popescu;i often shave in teh summer 577368;1395617455;mircea_popescu;but atm i look more like the old pic than this new one 577369;1395617481;ThickAsThieves;as long as you maintain a hint of rabbi, i'm cool with it 577370;1395617485;ThickAsThieves;:) 577371;1395617513;mircea_popescu;lol 577372;1395617583;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0526059 = 0.1052 BTC [+] 577373;1395617701;mircea_popescu;"In London, the different guilds divided into tribes and engaged in violent disputes. In 1339, fishmongers were involved in a series of major street battles with goldsmiths. But ironically, the apprentices with the worst reputation for violence belonged to the legal profession." 577374;1395617704;mircea_popescu;heh 577375;1395617736;mircea_popescu;In the 15th and 16th Centuries, apprentice riots in London became more common, with the mob targeting foreigners including the Flemish and Lombards. On May Day in 1517, the call to riot was shouted out - "Prentices and clubs!" - and a night of looting and violence followed that shocked Tudor England. 577376;1395617736;mircea_popescu;By this time, the city was swelling with apprentices, and the adult population was finding them more difficult to control, says Barbara Hanawalt. As early death from infectious disease became rarer the apprentices faced a long wait to take over from their masters. "You've got quite a number of young men who are in apprenticeships who have got no hope of getting a workshop and a business of their own," says Jeremy Goldb 577377;1395617737;mircea_popescu;erg. "You've got numbers of somewhat disillusioned and disenfranchised young men, who may be predisposed to challenging authority, because they have nothing invested in it." 577378;1395617760;mircea_popescu;such progres. much wow. 577379;1395617786;mircea_popescu;(hint : the english crown did not survive) 577380;1395617886;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'the answers lie in the sewers' 577381;1395617898;mircea_popescu;quite 577382;1395617926;mircea_popescu;benkay dude you didn't scare the woman off in private did you ? 577383;1395618003;kakobrekla;http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=424552.msg5864381#msg5864381 577384;1395618010;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0526079 = 0.1052 BTC [-] 577385;1395618011;ozbot;Is betsofbitcoin.in dead? 577386;1395618012;kakobrekla;easy to compare oneself with dead horse 577387;1395618074;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla amusingly... that's actually the shit mpoe-pr references. 577388;1395618086;mircea_popescu;they got pushed by zero hedge and made like... half a btc or somesuch 577389;1395618196;kakobrekla;dunno whats the bigger problem, the service or the audience 577390;1395618218;mircea_popescu;"Definitely no one on this forum gets any credit whatsoever. You're all idiots." 577391;1395618224;mircea_popescu;so either way really. 577392;1395618315;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.065999 = 0.198 BTC [+] 577393;1395618710;mircea_popescu;.d 577394;1395618710;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 183 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.8880% in 1d 0h 59m 38s 577395;1395619049;ThickAsThieves;see i said 16% was too low! 577396;1395619052;ThickAsThieves;(for the bet) 577397;1395619101;kakobrekla;unverified unknown just xpasting http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=c2qWB3nU 577398;1395619153;kakobrekla;(by your favorite gossip supplier) 577399;1395619779;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.002999 = 0.3299 BTC [+] 577400;1395619804;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla who is this ? 577401;1395619819;kakobrekla;i dunno some bullshit 577402;1395619820;ThickAsThieves;someone from reddit i think 577403;1395619826;Apocalyptic;^ 577404;1395619910;nubbins`;heh 577405;1395619911;nubbins`;[20:32:13] <groun0> i have 13000 bitcoin for sale 577406;1395619976;Mats_cd03;just another day for -otc 577407;1395620000;jborkl;So vicurex pulled a Gox now 577408;1395620008;Mats_cd03;on another note, 300: Rise of an Empire is shit-terrible and not even worth pirating 577409;1395620083;mircea_popescu;tfluk 577410;1395620909;benkay;mircea_popescu: must be off my feed or out of practice or something 577411;1395620922;benkay;or getting trolled hard. who can ever tell. 577412;1395620932;mircea_popescu;stby 577413;1395621013;benkay;every day. 577414;1395621080;AusBitBank;mircea_popescu, love your work on those SEC responses. Please keep us updated 577415;1395621125;mircea_popescu;aite. 577416;1395621365;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6444137 = 4.5109 BTC [+] {5} 577417;1395621408;radan;do any of y'all work out 577418;1395621432;kakobrekla;only in bed lately 577419;1395621483;kakobrekla;i used to ride my bike now i cant find it and mp sez its bad anyway 577420;1395621487;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.00646272 = 0.4847 BTC [+] {8} 577421;1395621534;TestingUnoDosTre;i used to work out a lot more, not I'm mainly into yoga an rock climbing 577422;1395621547;TestingUnoDosTre;now* 577423;1395621596;cazalla;rock climbing is nothing compared to bowling 577424;1395621606;TestingUnoDosTre;uhhhh I love bowling 577425;1395621616;cazalla;it's a rush 577426;1395621652;TestingUnoDosTre;I wouldn't go that far, but I joined a bowling league a couple years ago and had quite a great time 577427;1395621676;TestingUnoDosTre;scores were all handicapped so it's mainly just how your team does vs. their average 577428;1395621741;cazalla;yeah, i'm definitely down for some rock climbing 577429;1395621758;mircea_popescu;bawling 577430;1395621761;radan;bicycling is bad for the pudendal nerve 577431;1395621781;radan;I wouldn't touch a bicycle except I have to go from class to class within ten minutes 577432;1395621807;radan;which is impossible without biking 577433;1395621875;KRS-One;you said it man 577434;1395621987;TestingUnoDosTre;I've heard you just have to get up off the seat every 30 seconds vs 2 minutes of riding on the seat 577435;1395621996;benkay;mircea_popescu kakobrekla radan: http://www.bycycleinc.com/ 577436;1395622032;kakobrekla;> TX police bike patrol ride the BiSaddle 577437;1395622036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00094985 = 1.5198 BTC [+] 577438;1395622037;kakobrekla;does it shoot cannons? 577439;1395622040;TestingUnoDosTre;That's awesome 577440;1395622118;MisterE;morning 577441;1395622127;radan;$250.00/350.00 plus shipping 577442;1395622156;radan;guess I'll have to settle for impotence 577443;1395622160;TestingUnoDosTre;lol 577444;1395622165;benkay;small price to prevent DAMMIT 577445;1395622174;benkay;you know what it is? 577446;1395622178;benkay;i only had one cup of coffee today. 577447;1395622197;TestingUnoDosTre;shoulda chain smoked like 20 cigarettes to make up for it 577448;1395622206;MisterE;Mats_cd03: I knew it, too bad 577449;1395622280;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00094953 = 6.3619 BTC [-] 577450;1395622341;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00094953 = 10.3499 BTC [-] 577451;1395622564;TestingUnoDosTre;Every time bitcoin starts dropping I want to buy more... 577452;1395622577;mircea_popescu;;;market 577453;1395622577;gribble;Error: "market" is not a valid command. 577454;1395622581;mircea_popescu;what the fuck was it 577455;1395622584;mircea_popescu;;;price 577456;1395622584;gribble;Error: "price" is not a valid command. 577457;1395622591;benkay;;;ticker 577458;1395622593;mircea_popescu;;;derp 577459;1395622593;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 557.93, Best ask: 560.24, Bid-ask spread: 2.31000, Last trade: 560.25, 24 hour volume: 6430.26159447, 24 hour low: 555.0, 24 hour high: 569.48, 24 hour vwap: 562.954568291 577460;1395622593;gribble;Error: "derp" is not a valid command. 577461;1395622596;mircea_popescu;a ty 577462;1395622608;TestingUnoDosTre;derp is not a command!!! 577463;1395622608;benkay;wowee five fiddy 577464;1395622617;decimation;http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/03/22/sinkhole-of-bureaucracy/ 577465;1395622617;ozbot;Sinkhole of bureaucracy | The Washington Post 577466;1395622623;TestingUnoDosTre;seriously I've been buying more and more bitcoins this week 577467;1395622625;mircea_popescu;wast it closer to 500 ? 577468;1395622634;MisterE;TestingUnoDosTre: wait until it tests 500 577469;1395622646;MisterE;no mircea_popescu it's had support at 550 577470;1395622653;mircea_popescu;aok 577471;1395622656;decimation;?The reports [from the contractor] just asserted that they had written X lines of code. .?.?. For an executive, that?s just invisible; you don?t know what it means,? said Curtis Smith, who oversaw retirement processing from 1989 to 1994. He was a longtime federal employee with a PhD in English literature, supervising a massive technology project. ?I had no idea [if] they were making progress from month to month. And I just sort of took it on 577472;1395622658;decimation;faith that they could make it work,? Smith said. ?And they never did.? 577473;1395622659;benkay;;;@-# 577474;1395622660;gribble;Error: "@-#" is not a valid command. 577475;1395622665;TestingUnoDosTre;Ahhhh I had bought some the other week at like 450, but I was just so squeemish 577476;1395622667;mircea_popescu;decimation it's been here b4 you know 577477;1395622699;decimation;lol sorry, ascii posted yet yesterday 577478;1395622767;TestingUnoDosTre;fricken Western Union wouldn't let me wire funds to bitstamp... not sure if that was a good thing or a bad thing 577479;1395622820;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: why don't you do it over -otc? 577480;1395622838;benkay;make your initial btc buy the right way, then put those btc on bitstamp for trading. 577481;1395622842;TestingUnoDosTre;I'm new to this 577482;1395622859;benkay;oh i thought you'd been around for a few months. 577483;1395622876;TestingUnoDosTre;I've been watching btc, hanging around the forum for a couple years, but only started purchasing recently 577484;1395622895;TestingUnoDosTre;so all the methods, other than a deal for cash, are new to me 577485;1395622896;benkay;the best way to fund a bitstamp account is with btc :D 577486;1395622915;benkay;-otc: "over the counter". 577487;1395622926;TestingUnoDosTre;I understand the definition... 577488;1395622929;BingoBoingo;;;herp 577489;1395622929;gribble;Error: "herp" is not a valid command. 577490;1395622938;TestingUnoDosTre;but is it like cash wire, or in person, or what 577491;1395622941;benkay;hey BingoBoingo 577492;1395622946;BingoBoingo;heya 577493;1395622968;benkay;go ask in -otc, TestingUnoDosTre. have cash ready on the spot, or else they won't want to bother with you. 577494;1395622977;benkay;typically western union, perfect money. 577495;1395622989;TestingUnoDosTre;but how is it scamproof? 577496;1395623004;benkay;well, that's the web of trust 577497;1395623007;benkay;;;gettrust mircea_popescu 577498;1395623008;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011 577499;1395623024;KRS-One;scuse me for a sec 577500;1395623025;KRS-One;.bait 577501;1395623026;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8nixdbFYl1qi0kbpo1_1280.jpg 577502;1395623032;KRS-One;yuck 577503;1395623034;Mats_cd03;benkay: https://soundcloud.com/viceroymusic/montell-jordan-this-is-how 577504;1395623052;benkay;see, mircea_popescu and i have rated each other. you can also look at my profile and see with whom i've traded btc. 577505;1395623052;TestingUnoDosTre;ahhh I've got to go do some reading 577506;1395623088;KRS-One;Mats_cd03: good remix 577507;1395623088;benkay;i can't believe that I don't have an -otc essay 577508;1395623118;Mats_cd03;i like it better than the original tbh 577509;1395623123;TestingUnoDosTre;Alright, but here is what I don't understand. Didn't pirateeat40 or whatever his sn was have a good WoT rating? 577510;1395623136;benkay;sure. 577511;1395623151;benkay;different risk profiles, though. 577512;1395623154;Mats_cd03;whats difficult to understand 577513;1395623163;benkay;one scenario, someone's promising 7% a month or something crazy. 577514;1395623175;benkay;another scenario, someone's committing to sending you btc for your moneypak or whatever. 577515;1395623206;TestingUnoDosTre;yes, but couldn't someone just build up a WoT with small transactions and then run off with a medium transaction 577516;1395623209;benkay;if their reputation is solid enough, they don't really benefit from ripping you off for 1k. 577517;1395623219;benkay;sure 577518;1395623223;benkay;so ask around. 577519;1395623227;benkay;get to know the humans. 577520;1395623231;benkay;do your due dilligence. 577521;1395623239;TestingUnoDosTre;What about cash trade in a metro? 577522;1395623240;KRS-One;it'll take time 577523;1395623245;benkay;this isn't an internet thing where there's a great big easy buy button. 577524;1395623250;benkay;THIS IS BITCOIN 577525;1395623257;Mats_cd03;so corny 577526;1395623271;benkay;how was elysium, Mats_cd03? 577527;1395623283;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: f2f is far safer. 577528;1395623289;Mats_cd03;like halo but with mark damon and rail guns 577529;1395623297;Mats_cd03;er, 577530;1395623300;Mats_cd03;whatever his name is 577531;1395623307;benkay;merp derpin 577532;1395623312;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre you gotta read the girl's write-up on the wot 577533;1395623315;TestingUnoDosTre;elysium ( the movie) was suprisingly mediocre 577534;1395623326;TestingUnoDosTre;f2f? 577535;1395623336;Mats_cd03;i thought it was unsurprisingly mediocre 577536;1395623339;benkay;Mats_cd03: you might enjoy a book /Leviathan Wakes/ 577537;1395623346;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: face to face 577538;1395623357;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.msg1227871#msg1227871 577539;1395623358;mircea_popescu;there 577540;1395623358;ozbot;Reputation system? 577541;1395623370;Mats_cd03;ill add it to my list of things to read 577542;1395623374;MisterE;gribble has a wiki 577543;1395623391;benkay;;;google aws wordpress ami 577544;1395623391;gribble;WordPress powered by Bitnami on AWS Marketplace: <https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B007IP8BKQ>; Tutorial: Hosting a WordPress Blog with Amazon EC2 - Documentation: <http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/hosting-wordpress.html>; WordPress Multisite powered by Bitnami on AWS Marketplace: <https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B007OXRX74> 577545;1395623393;MisterE;pizza porn: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/05/31/worlds-largest-pizzas/ 577546;1395623396;TestingUnoDosTre;yah I would feel much more confident in a face to face situation 577547;1395623403;MisterE;always 577548;1395623408;Mats_cd03;https://soundcloud.com/flume/disclosure-you-me-flume-remix 577549;1395623434;TestingUnoDosTre;this is what classifies as corny, for the record https://soundcloud.com/alunageorge/this-is-how-we-do-it 577550;1395623438;MisterE;TestingUnoDosTre: check out how long they've had a ns registration 577551;1395623444;MisterE;thats telling 577552;1395623463;MisterE;I'm 10+ years not going anywhere 577553;1395623464;Mats_cd03;fucking lol TestingUnoDosTre 577554;1395623486;TestingUnoDosTre;okay this will probably illustrate how niave I am, but what's with gnupg keys asking for real names and email addresses? 577555;1395623501;Mats_cd03;'balls' 577556;1395623501;mircea_popescu;what of it ? 577557;1395623515;Mats_cd03;real names and email addresses are not personal information 577558;1395623530;Mats_cd03;or particularly sensitive 577559;1395623539;TestingUnoDosTre;gotcha 577560;1395623567;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: It's just questions that it asks, because it can put that information in the public key if you want it there. 577561;1395623585;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: Works just find if you leave the information out as well 577562;1395623590;TestingUnoDosTre;I was thinking that I would much rather have a higher WoT rating with a key that did not contain my name and email 577563;1395623596;mircea_popescu;why ? 577564;1395623598;mircea_popescu;(honest q) 577565;1395623603;diametric;It also makes no claim to the authenticity of the information. You can make the key for Doc McStuffins if you wanted. 577566;1395623620;TestingUnoDosTre;Because I don't want my name following around my transactions or what not 577567;1395623628;BingoBoingo;TestingUnoDosTre: If you want to get really fancy you can embed a photo in your public key too. 577568;1395623637;benkay;eh, you can't afford true anonymity, TestingUnoDosTre. 577569;1395623653;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre this is roughly the equivalent of someone not pushing a button because it has "buttsex" written on it. 577570;1395623654;benkay;consider how you might leverage a strong WoT identity that you explictly control. 577571;1395623658;TestingUnoDosTre;If I go and buy bitcoin, then sell bitcoin, then buy bitcoin, then sell bitcoin, I would much rather have no name associated with the transactions 577572;1395623659;mircea_popescu;the buttsex and the button are nowhere connected 577573;1395623683;diametric;I would however pay handsomely for a buttsex button that worked as advertised. 577574;1395623692;mircea_popescu;craigslist ? 577575;1395623693;benkay;diametric wants to be buttsecksd 577576;1395623701;benkay;on demand 577577;1395623704;diametric;haha 577578;1395623706;benkay;can't be that hard 577579;1395623716;TestingUnoDosTre;what about craigslist? 577580;1395623741;mircea_popescu;anyway, the point being that whether your name is or is not associated with a list of txn is not contingent on you typing the name in the gpg key gen process 577581;1395623743;TestingUnoDosTre;with craigslist, I can tell someone that my name is Joe schmoe, I'll be wearing this or that, and meet me at the coffee shop 577582;1395623746;benkay;'s where the buttsecks be, TestingUnoDosTre. 577583;1395623750;mircea_popescu;you could make a key and baptise it mircea popescu right nao 577584;1395623762;TestingUnoDosTre;I understand that 577585;1395623773;TestingUnoDosTre;so I already created one with my real name and real email 577586;1395623777;benkay;you could probably buy btc off the craig too 577587;1395623786;TestingUnoDosTre;I'm wondering if I should generate another pair that doesn't have that info 577588;1395623798;mircea_popescu;more keys can't hurt anything 577589;1395623808;benkay;dilutes the attention paid to any given pair. 577590;1395623837;benkay;your future wot 'value' is a function of who's rated you, what #, and how long ago. 577591;1395623857;TestingUnoDosTre;Alright I'm good on that for the time being 577592;1395623872;TestingUnoDosTre;Ive got another question reguarding signing up for a VPN 577593;1395623914;TestingUnoDosTre;I feel like I'm in a chicken or the egg scenario. I want to sign up for a vpn, paying with bitcoin, and linking it to an anonymous email address 577594;1395623947;TestingUnoDosTre;do I have to go create the email address first, then sign up for the vpn? 577595;1395623953;MisterE;hit any of them with your real IP once and it's over why bother? 577596;1395623965;MisterE;yes 577597;1395623990;jborkl;You can watch Italian youtube 577598;1395623991;TestingUnoDosTre;so a VPN is only good when I'm not using my home ISP? 577599;1395624016;TestingUnoDosTre;I know that you should ALWAYS use a vpn 577600;1395624039;mircea_popescu;its not at all clear what are you trying to accomplish. 577601;1395624040;MisterE;well it depends why you are using a vpn 577602;1395624051;TestingUnoDosTre;I'm simply trying to browse the web anonymously 577603;1395624054;MisterE;without knowing what you want to do hard to advise 577604;1395624057;MisterE;use tor 577605;1395624063;diametric;VPN through TOR 577606;1395624069;TestingUnoDosTre;that's what I'm trying to do 577607;1395624074;MisterE;ok 577608;1395624077;jborkl;Tor is so slow 577609;1395624079;TestingUnoDosTre;but if I sign up for a vpn with my normal email address 577610;1395624087;TestingUnoDosTre;that just ruins the whole thing 577611;1395624092;MisterE;use Tor to sign up 577612;1395624110;Mats_cd03;benkay: https://soundcloud.com/saintmotel/my-type-1 577613;1395624111;MisterE;and get an anon email address also with Tor 577614;1395624112;mircea_popescu;anonymous in what sense ? so the sites can't serve you "tailored" adsense ? 577615;1395624113;TestingUnoDosTre;download tor, sign up for anonymous email address, then pay for vpn? 577616;1395624160;TestingUnoDosTre;let's just say I don't even want anyone to know I just went into a search engine and searched for bitcoin 577617;1395624170;TestingUnoDosTre;not quite sure if that's a good example 577618;1395624174;benkay;they are in fact out to get you. 577619;1395624177;Mats_cd03;sigh 577620;1395624189;MisterE;I block that crap with a good HOSTS file, my trackign blocking browser extensions have like nothing to do... http://hosts-file.net/ 577621;1395624190;TestingUnoDosTre;I'm not afraid of anyone out to get me 577622;1395624194;mircea_popescu;"no one" 577623;1395624202;TestingUnoDosTre;I'm more into understanding how to actually browse anonymously 577624;1395624207;*;MisterE is with benkay on this one 577625;1395624212;mircea_popescu;tor doesn't actually work, in general. 577626;1395624219;MisterE;eh? 577627;1395624235;MisterE;tor works it's 99.9% a PEBCAC issue 577628;1395624242;MisterE;got to use it right 577629;1395624261;BCB;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/216zuo/what_mtgox_and_vircurex_has_taught_us/ 577630;1395624274;cazalla;nothing? 577631;1395624278;mircea_popescu;lol 577632;1395624283;TestingUnoDosTre;so true 577633;1395624335;MisterE;haha :) 577634;1395624340;asciilifeform;anyone considering using tor for whatsoever purpose should... measure not 7, but 47 times, and cut - preferably not even once 577635;1395624357;asciilifeform;unless you have read the source (at least, the protocol spec) and understand the limitations 577636;1395624357;MisterE;that people are greedy and do stupid stuff. 577637;1395624403;MisterE;yea you mess up once and all the work you've done to be anon is over 577638;1395624412;Mats_cd03;case in point sabu 577639;1395624420;TestingUnoDosTre;sabu? 577640;1395624422;MisterE;heh sabu, damn rat 577641;1395624432;Mats_cd03;logged into a channel just like this one by accident from home once 577642;1395624441;MisterE;he's the one who cooperated witht he feds 577643;1395624444;Mats_cd03;rather than his vpn 577644;1395624452;MisterE;yep all it takes is 1 mistake 577645;1395624458;MisterE;hit that email once from home oops 577646;1395624462;Mats_cd03;and rather suddenly a rude man in a shit suit shows up for an interview unannounced 577647;1395624468;asciilifeform;'the sapper errs once.' 577648;1395624479;Mats_cd03;are you a sapper asciilifeform 577649;1395624480;MisterE;unlike DPR 577650;1395624496;mircea_popescu;lol 577651;1395624501;MisterE;who was like walking around SF carrying a sign that read BUST ME in neon letters 577652;1395624507;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: nope. but every russian kid knows that proverb 577653;1395624509;TestingUnoDosTre;lol 577654;1395624518;MisterE;I'm a yank, tell me 577655;1395624531;MisterE;err seppo 577656;1395624554;Mats_cd03;i see 577657;1395624569;cazalla;MisterE: :) 577658;1395624576;asciilifeform;there's a variation on the proverb where 'the sapper errs twice. once - when choosing profession' 577659;1395624584;MisterE;Gevork Vartanian? 577660;1395624651;asciilifeform;http://img15.nnm.ru/a/4/3/8/1/3061a891b67df7c0d028010c4a6_prev.jpg 577661;1395624744;MisterE;ahh a sapper is a mine clearer 577662;1395624754;Mats_cd03;a sapper is a combat engineer 577663;1395624763;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/bb0b50c4486e1cb47437440c08420753/tumblr_mnatxiXCMX1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg 577664;1395624771;MisterE;Like sappers, underground agents err only once” --Gevork Vartanian 577665;1395624774;asciilifeform;there is rarely anyone whose only duty is to clear mines 577666;1395624780;MisterE;right one of their jobs is clearing mines 577667;1395624786;asciilifeform;(with the possible exception of certain prisoners) 577668;1395624793;MisterE;heh 577669;1395624813;Apocalyptic;<Mats_cd03> a sapper is a combat engineer << that's what google told me too 577670;1395624842;MisterE;a soldier responsible for tasks such as building and repairing roads and bridges, laying and clearing mines, etc. 577671;1395624848;MisterE;American Heritage dic 577672;1395624883;TestingUnoDosTre;sounds like one hell of a job 577673;1395624903;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05339 = 0.1602 BTC [-] 577674;1395624990;MisterE;For many it's either that or selling crack on the corner 577675;1395624997;MisterE;where I come from 577676;1395625014;Mats_cd03;pretty easy job as i understand it 577677;1395625040;benkay;;;google trilema drug dealer 577678;1395625040;gribble;What the drug trade is, how the drug trade works and why ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/>; Forbes, now with a little extra ESL and a whole lot of extra ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/forbes-now-with-a-little-extra-esl-and-a-whole-lot-of-extra-stupid>; Law enforcement never fails to (1 more message) 577679;1395625048;Mats_cd03;step 1) sit in a hot vehicle moving at 5kph waiting for a bomb to explode 577680;1395625049;MisterE;until its not heh. I'd rather be a cook in the military 577681;1395625052;MisterE;they get all the perks 577682;1395625054;Mats_cd03;step 2) go to 1 577683;1395625207;TestingUnoDosTre;was that first page written before the transfer to english? 577684;1395625284;benkay;well as you can see it's written in english 577685;1395625334;TestingUnoDosTre;hmmm, must have clicked on the wrong one 577686;1395625376;benkay;if your client broke the url, you'll get a random page. 577687;1395625402;benkay;wait how did i get roped into doing trilema support 577688;1395625413;TestingUnoDosTre;:D 577689;1395625438;mircea_popescu;benkay victorian ai / army ? 577690;1395625468;benkay;til mircea_popescu is actually a composite personality of a bunch of humans educated by some well engineered weak ai 577691;1395625491;mircea_popescu;also chtulhy 577692;1395625758;TestingUnoDosTre;Who recommended Leviathon awakes? 577693;1395625765;benkay;o/ 577694;1395625776;benkay;it's simply "Wakes" 577695;1395625783;TestingUnoDosTre;* 577696;1395625870;benkay;... 577697;1395625899;TestingUnoDosTre;Just wondering what you thought of 2001: a space odessy 577698;1395625944;benkay;feeling kinda dated at this point, but i haven't read it in at least a decade and you might not want to take a dependency on my notions of things at that age. 577699;1395625983;TestingUnoDosTre;haha aright. I just got through it and thought it was absolutely spectacular 577700;1395626020;benkay;you may get a kick out of LW then. moderately more populated solar system; better understanding of biology etc. 577701;1395626022;TestingUnoDosTre;one of the antagonists is a corrupt operating system... can't get much better than that 577702;1395626036;TestingUnoDosTre;oooh 577703;1395626050;benkay;there were several books in the Space Odessy series worth reading too. 577704;1395626083;TestingUnoDosTre;I had no clue it was a series 577705;1395626116;benkay;authors have this dirty habit of milking their creative work for decades. 577706;1395626155;benkay;it's even enjoyable for the reader sometimes. other times..."read recycled books! they're easy to write, and read good!" 577707;1395626161;mircea_popescu;it's mostly the publishers 577708;1395626170;TestingUnoDosTre;If it ain't broke, don't quit it 577709;1395626380;benkay;Mats_cd03: Saint Motel passes the babe test. 577710;1395626385;mircea_popescu;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9802EEDD1138E633A25751C1A96E9C946496D6CF 577711;1395626386;ozbot;BIG YACHT NOW JUNK AFTER 6 WEEKS' USE - Sea Call's Monel Metal-Steel Hull Ruined by Electrolysis, B 577712;1395626388;benkay;Mats_cd03: this means i must ban it from the house. 577713;1395626405;Mats_cd03;whats the babe test 577714;1395626441;MisterE;Aluminum hull? 577715;1395626461;Mats_cd03;that song is on a playlist entitled, 'dongs' 577716;1395626482;mircea_popescu;monel. 577717;1395626484;MisterE;oh no steel wow, mig mistake 577718;1395626516;MisterE;US had a terrible time with it and their new Aluminum hulled boats 577719;1395626529;MisterE;still a problem as of a year or so ago 577720;1395626536;MisterE;Electrolysis 577721;1395626572;benkay;"It was said that the boat could have been made as good as new by putting on a new steel bottom, but that apparently Mr. Cochran preferred not to do that." 577722;1395626575;benkay;you don't say. 577723;1395626587;MisterE;www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/shipbuilder-blames-navy-as-brand-new-warship-disintegrates/ 577724;1395626597;benkay;babe test. babe likes it. only hemisarcastic. 577725;1395626733;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] 577726;1395626792;Mats_cd03;nope, still not following 577727;1395626844;benkay;there is a babe in my house. 577728;1395626845;benkay;you savvy? 577729;1395626852;Mats_cd03;ok got it 577730;1395626861;benkay;this babe likes some musics. 577731;1395626863;benkay;savvy? 577732;1395626881;Mats_cd03;i hear you loud and clear captain jack 577733;1395626908;benkay;this is the babe test of previous mention. 577734;1395626934;benkay;this music you linked passes the babe test, ergo i must burn it with fire and expunge from my area. 577735;1395626953;benkay;implying some small difference in tastes that i only noticed when the babe came by to apply her test. 577736;1395627040;Mats_cd03;https://soundcloud.com/hozier/angel-of-small-death-the 577737;1395627068;Mats_cd03;i like to think my taste in music is accessible 577738;1395627099;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05230534 = 0.3138 BTC [-] {2} 577739;1395627121;thestringpuller;benkay: stop being weird 577740;1395627184;MisterE;I have a playlist I tell each one I made just for them 577741;1395627194;TestingUnoDosTre;hahahaha 577742;1395627278;TestingUnoDosTre;thought this one was a nice remake with chance the rapper https://soundcloud.com/mapei/dont-wait-remix-mapei-chance 577743;1395627310;Mats_cd03;i like what -assets has become 577744;1395627326;Mats_cd03;mostly its me, i love me 577745;1395627332;MisterE;yea I come to like this group 577746;1395627336;TestingUnoDosTre;self love is healthy 577747;1395627465;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11301 @ 0.00094953 = 10.7306 BTC [-] 577748;1395627526;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06687499 = 0.2675 BTC [+] {4} 577749;1395627581;Mats_cd03;https://soundcloud.com/two-door-cinema-club/two-door-cinema-club-next-year-rac 577750;1395627600;TestingUnoDosTre;sorry for the caps, but RAC IS THE BEST 577751;1395627646;dexX7;wow i hate bitcoin.. and linux. so i invested quite some time to figure out how to dump a leveldb database over a shitty putty console only to realize that the result wasn't what i was looking for <_<" 577752;1395627665;dexX7;rephrased: i hate myself for being such a newb 577753;1395627667;benkay;Mats_cd03: can you hit me with something non-lyrics-y to which i can read source and documentation? 577754;1395627674;benkay;dexX7: scp not a choice for some reason? 577755;1395627674;Mats_cd03;anyone here make a run at any of the matasano crypto challenges? 577756;1395627690;dexX7;scp? 577757;1395627708;benkay;secure copy 577758;1395627712;benkay;man scp 577759;1395627731;Mats_cd03;benkay: i dunno... instrumentals or electronic? i like to listen to trance while coding 577760;1395627738;benkay;trance is good 577761;1395627742;benkay;well, acceptable. 577762;1395627743;benkay;:D 577763;1395627767;benkay;dexX7: i'm assuming all sorts of shit like you're running *nix etc 577764;1395627768;TestingUnoDosTre;this one is my favorite rac track, his wife singing over the radiohead cover https://soundcloud.com/rac 577765;1395627779;TestingUnoDosTre;https://soundcloud.com/rac/rac-climbing-up-the-walls-ft-liz-anjos * 577766;1395627780;dexX7;i'm not. that's probably the root problem :) 577767;1395627796;benkay;ick yea good luck cuz. 577768;1395627865;Mats_cd03;benkay: https://soundcloud.com/jimipaul/james-holden-balance-disc-one theres a few samples with lyrics in that but i think theyre short 577769;1395627913;benkay;thanks, yo 577770;1395627921;TestingUnoDosTre;Pretty lights also has a lot of stuff where the lyrics are kind of morphed so you don't pay attention to them quite as much, but some if it's a little dubsteppy / up tempo 577771;1395627941;Mats_cd03;mostly i just listen to tchaikovsky and paul hindensmith 577772;1395627952;Mats_cd03;hindesmith rather 577773;1395628046;TestingUnoDosTre;Paul Kalkbrenner is also a champ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlFs3OXR9mQ 577774;1395628064;benkay;Mats_cd03: hindemith? 577775;1395628075;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00095072 = 32.5146 BTC [+] {5} 577776;1395628156;Mats_cd03;german composer 577777;1395628165;Mats_cd03;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsHGntqx5Yw 577778;1395628165;ozbot;Paul Hindemith: Mathis der Maler Symphony (1933-1934) - YouTube 577779;1395628166;benkay;man the high hats on that shit make my earballs wince 577780;1395628170;Mats_cd03;rather famous 577781;1395628187;Mats_cd03;are you wearing headphones? 577782;1395628194;benkay;nah 577783;1395628258;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00094953 = 8.7357 BTC [-] 577784;1395628268;Mats_cd03;i liked the radiohead cover 577785;1395628363;TestingUnoDosTre;Used to smoke after work and listen to the original, the RAC mix, and this Easystar version as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axs8-9u5qbY 577786;1395628371;benkay;Mats_cd03: what kind of work do you do? 577787;1395628563;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.64497 = 1.9349 BTC [+] {2} 577788;1395628597;Mats_cd03;benkay: reading -assets and reversing firmware 577789;1395628624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.64499861 = 18.705 BTC [+] {3} 577790;1395628638;Mats_cd03;i was clean shaven and employable as an IT consultant/pen tester once, now im self employed 577791;1395628673;Mats_cd03;you? 577792;1395628685;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.64682663 = 3.881 BTC [+] {3} 577793;1395628686;benkay;derpy web apps dot butts 577794;1395628722;benkay;high end technical consulting to old farts with companies who'd rather lean on me and my boys than run their own shit 577795;1395628762;thestringpuller;http://eudyptula-challenge.org/ 577796;1395628763;Mats_cd03;good, i hope youre doubling the rate every hour 577797;1395628773;TestingUnoDosTre;benkay, tell me what you think of this kalkbrenner track without lyrics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jnj9qgkXOJc 577798;1395628804;Mats_cd03;thestringpuller: awesome 577799;1395628865;benkay;thestringpuller: neat find 577800;1395628868;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 200 @ 0.0052525 = 1.0505 BTC [-] {4} 577801;1395628869;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: meh 577802;1395628888;TestingUnoDosTre;no good? 577803;1395628897;benkay;Mats_cd03: yeah. up to 115 from 80 fall. 577804;1395628909;benkay;last* fall. 577805;1395628929;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1200 @ 0.00012342 = 0.1481 BTC [-] {10} 577806;1395629012;benkay;company's only been around for 8 months or so, so i consider that good progress. 577807;1395629070;TestingUnoDosTre;thestringpuller, I was thinking of doing this edx course intro to linux, do you think that challenge you posted would be more timeworthy? 577808;1395629112;benkay;there's about a light year between hacking on the kernel and using linux, TestingUnoDosTre. 577809;1395629155;TestingUnoDosTre;hmmph 577810;1395629159;Mats_cd03;it depends what it is you want to learn 577811;1395629177;thestringpuller;Learn C 577812;1395629179;Mats_cd03;do you want to know how to move around in the filesystem? edx 577813;1395629182;TestingUnoDosTre;I'm wondering whether I need to throw time at something more introductory before jumping in 577814;1395629219;TestingUnoDosTre;I've done some programming with C in an assembly course and some embedded C in a robotics course, but I am mechanical engr by background 577815;1395629256;benkay;'s also a question of what you want to *do* with computers. 577816;1395629290;Mats_cd03;that challenge is for the 0.001% of programmers that want to use asm on a daily basis and probably possess masochistic tendencies 577817;1395629305;radan;what's the consensus on dog and light coins 577818;1395629336;benkay;consensus? 577819;1395629344;Apocalyptic;masochistic is a bit too strong 577820;1395629348;TestingUnoDosTre;I'm mostly interested in playing around with controllers a la beagleboard 577821;1395629354;Apocalyptic;I once wrote a crackme entirely in ASM, was fun 577822;1395629371;radan;like 577823;1395629375;radan;what do y'all think about it 577824;1395629447;benkay;doge has infinite deflation 577825;1395629451;TestingUnoDosTre;but I also play around with android phones via xda, and I'm not content with just downloading someone else's kernel or firmware and not really understanding the different between a stock android 577826;1395629459;radan;is that good or bad 577827;1395629460;benkay;lite is notoriously suspect to manipulation 577828;1395629467;benkay;sry infinite inflation 577829;1395629473;benkay;gosh radan why is bitcoin so awesome? 577830;1395629481;radan;ummm 577831;1395629482;Apocalyptic;heh 577832;1395629487;radan;cause I put money into it 577833;1395629490;Apocalyptic;looks like you kinda miss the point 577834;1395629495;radan;and if it doesn't succeed I'm fucked 577835;1395629505;radan;I mean 577836;1395629518;radan;you can go all "free markets" and "crypto" "things" 577837;1395629536;TestingUnoDosTre;what about the cap in bitcoins produced... 577838;1395629562;Apocalyptic;that's one of the greatest things 577839;1395629591;TestingUnoDosTre;sorry, I just didn't want to wait for him to say it :/ 577840;1395629600;radan;okay, so there's a cap 577841;1395629602;radan;what does that mean 577842;1395629605;benkay;you broke socrates, TestingUnoDosTre 577843;1395629613;radan;besides the obvious 577844;1395629622;TestingUnoDosTre;It mean's the rate of inflation is defined 577845;1395629631;TestingUnoDosTre;whereas with doge, not so 577846;1395629633;benkay;what happens when you have 20 dollars, and there are 1b dollars today, and 1.01b dollars tomorrow? 577847;1395629647;radan;they're worth less, assuming everything else stays constant 577848;1395629673;benkay;mhm. 577849;1395629694;TestingUnoDosTre;In engineering they never had to say that, it was just implied 577850;1395629705;radan;so dogecoin will infinitely inflate 577851;1395629709;radan;because its not capped 577852;1395629720;radan;is that right? 577853;1395629728;benkay;what do you think? 577854;1395629741;TestingUnoDosTre;I don't know if infinite is quite the best word for it, but it's pretty much like the USD 577855;1395629758;TestingUnoDosTre;there's more always being tossed in the pool 577856;1395629761;radan;the USD is pegged by a shadowy consortium of unelected figures 577857;1395629769;radan;I don't think dogecoin has a regulatory body 577858;1395629771;benkay;what does mean "pegged"? 577859;1395629772;TestingUnoDosTre;not what I was getting at 577860;1395629777;benkay;;;ud pegging 577861;1395629778;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pegging | anal sex reveresed. instead of the man sticking his penis up the womans butt, the woman wears a strap-on and sticks it up the mans butt. 577862;1395629779;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: pegging 577863;1395629782;TestingUnoDosTre;simply talking about the supply increasing 577864;1395629792;TestingUnoDosTre;hahahahahah 577865;1395629807;TestingUnoDosTre;;;ud eiffel tower 577866;1395629808;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the%20eiffel%20tower | ... two men join hands above the woman to form what looks the Eiffel Tower. " Sweet dude, Let's give Linda The Eiffel Tower tonight!" by Boobtube April 24, 2006. 577867;1395629808;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: the eiffel tower 577868;1395629817;radan;the fed decides what USD will cost on a given day, as I understand it 577869;1395629826;radan;I don't know what cost means in that context 577870;1395629827;benkay;in that sense, the dollar could be said to be pegged by the shadowy group of people in #bitcoin-assets 577871;1395629842;TestingUnoDosTre;hahahahaha 577872;1395629864;TestingUnoDosTre;is the USD the man in that situation? 577873;1395629864;benkay;or one of our wimmins, if we're sticking to the literal interpretation. 577874;1395629888;radan;so why does ltc get manipulated 577875;1395629891;radan;but btc doesn't 577876;1395629910;benkay;more of a scale thing than a boolean thing, radan. 577877;1395629923;radan;I dunno 577878;1395629933;radan;doesn't satoshi hold like 1/4 of all the btc 577879;1395629948;benkay;has he spent any? 577880;1395629954;TestingUnoDosTre;he problie just drunkenly tossed his keys 577881;1395629957;radan;your guess is as good as mine 577882;1395629973;benkay;no guessing allowed. you have a blockchain and can answer this question for yourself now. 577883;1395629974;radan;better, in fact 577884;1395629983;radan;well 577885;1395629989;radan;we don't know how many addresses he used 577886;1395629994;TestingUnoDosTre;we do though 577887;1395630004;TestingUnoDosTre;I've got a question though benkay 577888;1395630014;TestingUnoDosTre;assuming you met satoshi in person and trusted him 577889;1395630042;TestingUnoDosTre;could he not just sell you a usb drive with the keys on it, and let you hold onto them 577890;1395630055;benkay;radan: req'd reading: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1009 577891;1395630080;benkay;? 577892;1395630085;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: ^^ 577893;1395630088;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05321 = 0.2661 BTC [+] 577894;1395630271;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 577895;1395630291;radan;ok 577896;1395630293;radan;I read it 577897;1395630308;benkay;and some more 577898;1395630309;benkay;https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/09/04/satoshi-machine-one-mystery-is-solved-and-another-opens/ 577899;1395630310;ozbot;Satoshi’s Machine: One Mystery is solved and another one opens | bitslog 577900;1395630364;benkay;everything about bitcoin on bitslog is worth at least a perusal. 577901;1395630372;radan;sooo 577902;1395630402;radan;karpeles, szabo, circle k, and nakamoto are all one person with theoretically infinite wealth 577903;1395630407;radan;am I reading it right 577904;1395630423;benkay;who knows is the point 577905;1395630440;radan;well 577906;1395630454;radan;all I know is I bought 1.75 btc with my life savings last november 577907;1395630461;radan;and I hope they continue to increase in price 577908;1395630470;radan;maybe it'll even reach 10K per 577909;1395630482;benkay;2k? 577910;1395630485;benkay;3k? 577911;1395630492;benkay;buddy you gotta get back to work lol 577912;1395630497;benkay;bitcoin ain't gonna make you rich 577913;1395630501;radan;I'm a college kid 577914;1395630512;radan;until I graduate, pocket money is all I've got to play with 577915;1395630522;benkay;cold wallet. forget about it. learn to earn. 577916;1395630540;radan;I'll earn when I graduate 577917;1395630541;benkay;ideally, stop accruing debt - that'll make you more than 2BTC ever will. 577918;1395630548;benkay;maybe. not likely. 577919;1395630548;radan;I don't have any debt 577920;1395630552;radan;I went to a public uni 577921;1395630555;radan;with scholarships 577922;1395630555;radan;and shit 577923;1395630570;benkay;and what valuable skills are you developing? 577924;1395630578;radan;petroleum engineers are forecast to be making hella money once we graduate 577925;1395630594;benkay;hah yeah 577926;1395630597;radan;http://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/petroleum-engineers.htm 577927;1395630598;benkay;rough life man. 577928;1395630608;radan;it's rough until then ;__; 577929;1395630627;radan;but, more to the point, I do think this btc thing has potential 577930;1395630632;radan;else I wouldn't have invested in it 577931;1395630641;benkay;lol cool 577932;1395630645;radan;back when I first heard about bitcoin 577933;1395630648;radan;back in 2011 or 12 577934;1395630660;TestingUnoDosTre;I read that first loper-os article and I don't think it answers my question. 577935;1395630687;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: don't know that i understood your question. 577936;1395630717;benkay;radan if i might offer a slightly different perspective, you didn't invest in Bitcoin - you bought some bitcoins. 577937;1395630748;TestingUnoDosTre;So satoshi has a whole boat load of 50 BTC addresses. Couldn't he just sell a flash drive with the private key of one address without crashing bitcoin 577938;1395630759;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05329999 = 0.1066 BTC [+] 577939;1395630763;radan;I knew a guy in Romania who ran a computer cafe 577940;1395630773;Mats_cd03;they are all being tracked and it would be instant news 577941;1395630774;radan;he mined btc on the side 577942;1395630787;TestingUnoDosTre;I do understand that 577943;1395630798;radan;wonder how rich he is today 577944;1395630811;TestingUnoDosTre;but let's say you trust someone you're selling to 577945;1395630820;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1127 @ 0.00094953 = 1.0701 BTC [-] 577946;1395630820;Mats_cd03;at this juncture id expect the price to fall if it was to happen 577947;1395630820;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: every day i don't move those coins elsewhere is a day of risking not having them. 577948;1395630831;TestingUnoDosTre;you sell them a 50 BTC flash drive, maybe at a discount price, and tell them they cant use it for 3 years or something 577949;1395630853;benkay;totally out of the scope of normal behavior. 577950;1395630859;benkay;as soon as i crack that drive i know satoshi. 577951;1395630869;benkay;plus sharing keys is anathema. 577952;1395630895;radan;if you buy something you think that the value of what you bought is greater than that of what you paid 577953;1395630900;radan;that's investing 577954;1395630917;TestingUnoDosTre;I'm saying that the buyer knows and trusts satoshi 577955;1395630919;benkay;neat to be told what investing is from a petro-engineer in training lol 577956;1395630930;benkay;but hey all jabs aside 577957;1395630944;Mats_cd03;how unfriendly 577958;1395630978;benkay;just think about what i said for a bit. it's just a different perspective. 577959;1395631006;TestingUnoDosTre;I didn't quite understand the "every day I don't move ..." 577960;1395631017;radan;alright 577961;1395631032;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: satoshi still has the private key for the addr in question, no? 577962;1395631057;TestingUnoDosTre;yes, but I'm talking about a trusted transaction 577963;1395631068;benkay;this is the thing about trust 577964;1395631078;TestingUnoDosTre;like I'm not worried about being scammed of 1000 bTC when I just bought it from someone who has a million btc in holdings 577965;1395631079;benkay;just because i trust you to not fuck me does not mean that you won't. 577966;1395631103;benkay;that's your risk analysis. 577967;1395631110;radan;why don't people just use bitcoin to smuggle money across borders 577968;1395631113;benkay;i'm suggesting that others may run the analysis differently. 577969;1395631121;radan;avoiding exchange rats 577970;1395631124;benkay;happens all the time radan 577971;1395631143;benkay;argentina has a very very wealthy group of bitcoiners 577972;1395631151;TestingUnoDosTre;ok, but satoshi would be probably sacrificing more trust by simply selling 1000 btc 577973;1395631165;benkay;probably accelerating the collapse down there... 577974;1395631186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 131 @ 0.00318194 = 0.4168 BTC [+] {10} 577975;1395631189;benkay;you've not really modeled this, have you TestingUnoDosTre? 577976;1395631201;TestingUnoDosTre;why do you say so? 577977;1395631204;nubbins`;got the new Epson set up today 577978;1395631207;benkay;am i the only one who knows who satoshi is? 577979;1395631207;Mats_cd03;an opportunity to buy delicious beef with magic money 577980;1395631212;radan;the problem with hypotheticals and models is that they are hypothetical 577981;1395631219;radan;you could have 100 factors you haven't even modeled 577982;1395631224;TestingUnoDosTre;some of them work quite well... 577983;1395631229;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/0Agj5Ja 577984;1395631229;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 577985;1395631241;benkay;if so, then he doesn't care about other people trusting him 577986;1395631268;benkay;if other people know who he is, then we're in an entirely different universe and i can't really plan for that right now. 577987;1395631283;benkay;but let's bring this back to reality shall we? 577988;1395631285;TestingUnoDosTre;well I'm sure some people know satoshi 577989;1395631296;TestingUnoDosTre;unless he was a testtube baby from mars 577990;1395631301;benkay;we care about 3 things 577991;1395631302;benkay;0 577992;1395631303;benkay;1 577993;1395631304;benkay;infinity 577994;1395631305;radan;what if dr. popescu is satoshi 577995;1395631316;nubbins`;what if dr. mario is a doctor 577996;1395631332;Mats_cd03;its sunday night and time to party 577997;1395631340;nubbins`;hm you're right 577998;1395631343;*;nubbins` cracks a beer 577999;1395631343;benkay;in 'real world' scenarios, you cannot ever trust your counterparty to not spend coins from a private address. 578000;1395631346;benkay;end of story 578001;1395631349;TestingUnoDosTre;beers gone, my partying is done 578002;1395631358;TestingUnoDosTre;you totally could 578003;1395631363;TestingUnoDosTre;if you knew the person well enough 578004;1395631369;TestingUnoDosTre;its not like 100% 578005;1395631372;nubbins`;supposed to get 15-25cm of snow tomorrow 578006;1395631372;TestingUnoDosTre;i understand that 578007;1395631384;nubbins`;then a storm wednesday night lasting thru friday 578008;1395631389;benkay;look TestingUnoDosTre there are coins you own and coins you don't own. 578009;1395631392;benkay;that's it. 578010;1395631393;nubbins`;glad i didn't burn off the kerosene heater yet :D 578011;1395631408;benkay;nubbins`: is that typical for this time of year?! 578012;1395631414;nubbins`;no :( 578013;1395631428;nubbins`;"sheilagh's brush" is what old folks call this, shit weather in late march 578014;1395631430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9641 @ 0.00095054 = 9.1642 BTC [+] {3} 578015;1395631430;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0032 = 3.2 BTC [+] 578016;1395631431;benkay;we're having this crazy balmy spring down south 578017;1395631447;benkay;normally it's just rain from December to July 4th straight through 578018;1395631449;nubbins`;just keep telling yourself it's not man-made climate change and you'll be okay 578019;1395631457;nubbins`;:D 578020;1395631458;TestingUnoDosTre;hahahaha 578021;1395631458;benkay;it's al gore made climate change 578022;1395631465;Mats_cd03;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ9OJk9i4Kg 578023;1395631465;ozbot;Lykke Li - No Rest For The Wicked (Official Audio) - YouTube 578024;1395631516;benkay;jesus Mats_cd03 you like lady music :D 578025;1395631542;Mats_cd03;i find women beautiful 578026;1395631554;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: does the "coins you own, coins you don't" thing make sense? 578027;1395631593;TestingUnoDosTre;apart from being completely rudimentary? 578028;1395631596;Mats_cd03;the story of every swinging dick in the universe 578029;1395631613;benkay;if you stray from that you'll get burned in some way. 578030;1395631629;benkay;web wallets, bitcoin banks... 578031;1395631636;TestingUnoDosTre;for instance, if I go an wire 100$ to mark karp, and I trick myself into thinking I purchased some BTC, I don't really own any 578032;1395631667;benkay;right 578033;1395631676;benkay;you might have bought them, but you don't own them until they show up in your wallet. 578034;1395631709;TestingUnoDosTre;alright but if I go make a cold wallet on a flash drive, sell the flash drive to my brother, and tell him that he can't use the coins for 2 years, who owns them? 578035;1395631726;benkay;whoever sends them to keys under their exclusive control first. 578036;1395631730;nubbins`;i saw lykke li in 2009 578037;1395631776;TestingUnoDosTre;nice little lykke li remake http://hypem.com/track/nsj8/Lykke+Li+-+Little+Bit+(Gigamesh+Remix) 578038;1395631794;Mats_cd03;https://soundcloud.com/beatsantique/get-lucky-feat-charles-butler solid reproduction of get lucky with the banjo 578039;1395631796;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 416 @ 0.0032 = 1.3312 BTC [+] 578040;1395631805;Mats_cd03;nubbins`: how was it 578041;1395631820;TestingUnoDosTre;oooo I think I'm gonna love this 578042;1395631838;nubbins`;all i remember is that the backdrop was cool and she kept talking about this guy "miike snow" 578043;1395631845;Mats_cd03;for some reason your music taste irritates my ear 578044;1395631866;TestingUnoDosTre;miike snow is awesome 578045;1395631892;Mats_cd03;miike snow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oKQSAt4c4c 578046;1395631918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.072 = 0.144 BTC [+] 578047;1395631984;Mats_cd03;my dear... come again... your voice is fading out and in... 578048;1395631987;nubbins`;yeah, i saw him too but i can't remember anything about it 578049;1395632010;nubbins`;TBH the only performance i really remember from the whole festival is dan deacon 578050;1395632011;Mats_cd03;the mdma cooked your brain after the opener huh 578051;1395632020;nubbins`;just booze and pot 578052;1395632026;TestingUnoDosTre;thatll do it 578053;1395632035;nubbins`;and heat, i guess 578054;1395632080;Mats_cd03;i have no idea who dan deacon is, but he reminded me of ron jenkees when i saw his photo on my screen 578055;1395632101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.0704652 = 1.8321 BTC [-] {5} 578056;1395632121;Mats_cd03;an almost inaudible, "hello, internets!" sounded off in the back of my mind 578057;1395632131;Mats_cd03;(i'm sorry if nobody else knows what i'm talking about) 578058;1395632188;TestingUnoDosTre;Have you seen this movie, it's pretty unique with a good sound track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKW8kKXi6g 578059;1395632209;Mats_cd03;his most popular song, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O2aH4XLbto 578060;1395632221;Mats_cd03;no 578061;1395632345;TestingUnoDosTre;the movie is something like "I believe I can fly (Flight of the Frenchies)". It's only like 75 minutes and it's about high linining (aka tight rope walking) 578062;1395632385;TestingUnoDosTre;I really enjoy horns and reggae music though, but that's just me 578063;1395632587;Mats_cd03;is ok 578064;1395632611;benkay;somehow soundcloud thinks i'll like this 578065;1395632611;benkay;https://soundcloud.com/nahko 578066;1395632833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11975 @ 0.00095144 = 11.3935 BTC [+] 578067;1395632962;Mats_cd03;its not horrible 578068;1395632990;Mats_cd03;nvm he started singing 578069;1395632996;benkay;hahaha 578070;1395633041;TestingUnoDosTre;anybody a fan of mmoths ? https://soundcloud.com/mmoths/untitled 578071;1395633504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 59 @ 0.00319999 = 0.1888 BTC [-] 578072;1395633643;nubbins`;dan deacon is pretty good, have a listen to "bromst" 578073;1395633685;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8NOr47onjk&list=PL59184F12AEBBD11E 578074;1395633685;ozbot;Dan Deacon - Build Voice - (1 of 11) - YouTube 578075;1395633931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1878 @ 0.00094953 = 1.7832 BTC [-] 578076;1395633945;Mats_cd03;not bad 578077;1395634025;benkay;whatcha doing with the new printer, nubbins` ? 578078;1395634070;nubbins`;we occasionally get requests for color digital prints, and it's a pain having to outsource it 578079;1395634086;benkay;nice! capture more of that value stream. 578080;1395635212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05323 = 0.3194 BTC [-] {2} 578081;1395635391;nubbins`;yeah 578082;1395635405;nubbins`;got a CIS kit on the way for it too 578083;1395635426;nubbins`;http://www.amediadisc.com/images/detailed/0/ciss.jpg 578084;1395635700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05323 = 0.4258 BTC [-] 578085;1395636147;KRS-One;Maybe such a position gets a complementary (gratis, free) Trilema credits or membership? 578086;1395636180;benkay;choo going on about, KRS-One? 578087;1395636184;nubbins`;which position is this 578088;1395636248;KRS-One;Trilema support. 578089;1395636259;benkay;oh 578090;1395636278;benkay;access to the murderous purplesquirt, i think 578091;1395636309;KRS-One;Only thing free otherwise is 578092;1395636309;KRS-One;.bait 578093;1395636311;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/cee51a34672b1b88c22de04ca3df30a6/tumblr_mes6ctZd4x1rrqd70o1_1280.jpg 578094;1395636335;KRS-One;Marginal porn at that. Ie: Playboy. 578095;1395636431;nubbins`;http://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/ 578096;1395636434;ozbot;BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014 578097;1395636439;nubbins`;not much traction, maybe i was too stingy with the terms 578098;1395636510;chetty;methinks its time, people don't like to make bets so far off 578099;1395636679;*;benkay joins #eulora 578100;1395636727;nubbins`;true 578101;1395636920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2728 @ 0.00094987 = 2.5912 BTC [+] 578102;1395636926;benkay;;;later tell AusBitBank didja know your nick's being squatted? see WoT. 578103;1395636926;gribble;The operation succeeded. 578104;1395637103;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3873 @ 0.00094953 = 3.6775 BTC [-] 578105;1395637652;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00094953 = 0.9495 BTC [-] 578106;1395637713;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00094953 = 4.6527 BTC [-] 578107;1395637781;KRS-One;.bait 578108;1395637782;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2avcaC8fM1r46ny8o1_400.jpg 578109;1395637806;benkay;.bait 578110;1395637807;ozbot;http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsup79vqG71qajljjo1_500.jpg 578111;1395637822;benkay;i'll take two. 578112;1395637855;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu the army only ever answered to nell btw 578113;1395637855;gribble;The operation succeeded. 578114;1395637902;benkay;hey here's a weird thought 578115;1395637915;benkay;maybe a suggestion 578116;1395637933;benkay;i haven't had time to investigate this in depth, but don't use the same keys for different altcoins. 578117;1395637957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00649995 = 0.975 BTC [+] {4} 578118;1395637980;benkay;'cause i don't know if there's anything chain-specific to transactions 578119;1395637985;*;nubbins` ponders this over pale lager 578120;1395638031;benkay;might end up accidentally opening that address on other chains up to transferring its contents to the address corresponding to your target addr on the other chain 578121;1395638148;nubbins`;you're saying, for example, someone creates an ATC tx and accidentally executes it on the BTC network instead? 578122;1395638214;benkay;ah, no not possible 578123;1395638219;benkay;addresses encode the network. 578124;1395638384;benkay;1xxx is bitcoin, Li is litecoin, Dxxxx is doge 578125;1395638386;benkay;etc etc etc 578126;1395638507;benkay;although, nubbins`, you might be able to force the issue with pay-to-pubkey-hash 578127;1395638508;benkay;pay-to-pubkey-hash might still let the 578128;1395638510;benkay;https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transactions#Pay-to-PubkeyHash 578129;1395638512;ozbot;Transactions - Bitcoin 578130;1395638548;KRS-One;;;seen vexual 578131;1395638548;gribble;vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours, 6 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat 578132;1395638573;nubbins`;oh yeah, vexual 578133;1395638601;benkay;well that's enough research for the night. 578134;1395639789;KRS-One;that cunt must be on vacation 578135;1395639843;KRS-One;;;google australian cunt 578136;1395639843;gribble;Cunt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunt>; Appendix:Australian English terms for people - Wiktionary: <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Australian_English_terms_for_people>; Urban Dictionary: Sick Cunt: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sick%20Cunt> 578137;1395640458;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05223851 = 0.209 BTC [-] {3} 578138;1395640946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.648 BTC [+] 578139;1395641007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05405859 = 0.2703 BTC [+] {3} 578140;1395641129;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6489999 BTC [+] 578141;1395641352;MisterE;"A recent study by the Standish Group, a firm in Boston that researches failures, found that only 5 percent of large federal IT projects in the last decade fully succeeded. Of the rest, 41 percent were failures, canceled before they were turned on." 578142;1395641373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00095085 = 27.8124 BTC [+] {6} 578143;1395641468;chetty;MisterE, cool more than half worked ...maybe 578144;1395641652;VanCleef;question 578145;1395641673;VanCleef;is 10 thousand billion the same as 10 trillion dollars? 578146;1395641693;MisterE;y 578147;1395641696;benkay;does anyone have a link to the Kraken "oops we dropped 600 BTC on the flor"? 578148;1395641703;benkay;"floor*" post? 578149;1395641800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.64986816 = 14.2971 BTC [+] {9} 578150;1395641861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.65929293 = 11.208 BTC [+] {4} 578151;1395641862;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00095168 = 6.6618 BTC [+] 578152;1395641874;benkay;something better than this, plz: and telling customers to get fucked. 578153;1395641877;benkay;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4918218#msg4918218 578154;1395641879;ozbot;[ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG 578155;1395641883;benkay;man my kill ring is bolloxed tonight 578156;1395641983;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.66880951 = 14.045 BTC [+] {4} 578157;1395642009;benkay;ah nm, that's basically as good as it gets. 578158;1395642044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.68632834 = 21.2762 BTC [+] {9} 578159;1395642105;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.69428363 = 7.6371 BTC [+] {3} 578160;1395642106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00094953 = 15.2874 BTC [-] 578161;1395642166;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0065 = 0.143 BTC [+] {2} 578162;1395642288;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0065 = 0.325 BTC [+] 578163;1395642532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0065 = 0.234 BTC [+] 578164;1395642593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.0065 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2} 578165;1395642824;VanCleef;why are people buying asicminer? may as well keep sending coins to gox 578166;1395642837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6808 BTC [-] 578167;1395642855;benkay;how's the water, VanCleef? 578168;1395642925;VanCleef;water? 578169;1395643011;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1753882/plain/) 578170;1395643011;benkay;!b 4 578171;1395643066;VanCleef;mmmk 578172;1395643082;benkay;http://www.charliekingcoaching.com/2013/10/25/hows-the-water-boys/ 578173;1395643083;ozbot;Charlie King Coaching » “How’s the water, boys?” 578174;1395643093;benkay;disregard everything after the first pp 578175;1395643265;VanCleef;righ t o 578176;1395643490;benkay;from -dev 578177;1395643491;benkay;<phantomcircuit> the better solution is to create a new "key" type that stores 578178;1395643492;benkay;the raw byte array 578179;1395643492;benkay;<phantomcircuit> but that sounded like actual work so i didn't do it 578180;1395643522;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu ^^ 578181;1395643522;gribble;The operation succeeded. 578182;1395643911;benkay;have lamassu shipped any of their ATMs? 578183;1395643976;VanCleef;yeh 578184;1395643979;jurov;benkay: yes 578185;1395643987;jurov;but the owner is complaining since 578186;1395643999;jurov;and they are out of order often 578187;1395643999;benkay;complaining about? 578188;1395644057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.07032393 = 3.1646 BTC [-] {7} 578189;1395644058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.68867475 = 2.7547 BTC [+] {4} 578190;1395644060;jurov;he wants the machine to sell euros immediately on the exchange, they are unable to deliver that feature 578191;1395644086;jurov;then there was a bug where it would eat your money without giving btc 578192;1395644101;jurov;were very slow to fix, too 578193;1395644157;jurov;and some other probs the owner did not explain deeper 578194;1395644240;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.06917692 = 1.7986 BTC [-] {6} 578195;1395644301;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.694 = 2.082 BTC [+] 578196;1395644312;benkay;ty jurov 578197;1395644330;benkay;you are a perpetual wealth of information 578198;1395644351;chetty;from a friend on a forum: " but just visiting vircurex gets my system hacked, with 100% certainty" 578199;1395644363;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00671398 = 0.3424 BTC [+] {5} 578200;1395645021;Mats_cd03;lol 578201;1395645399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 32 @ 0.0043003 = 0.1376 BTC [-] {4} 578202;1395645948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 211 @ 0.00303215 = 0.6398 BTC [-] {6} 578203;1395646009;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00303004 = 0.1939 BTC [-] 578204;1395646010;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5396 @ 0.00095168 = 5.1353 BTC [+] 578205;1395647168;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 27 @ 0.0043 = 0.1161 BTC [-] 578206;1395647840;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.689 BTC [-] 578207;1395647900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.693004 = 3.465 BTC [+] {2} 578208;1395647961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.69166888 = 12.45 BTC [-] {2} 578209;1395648083;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8817 @ 0.00095168 = 8.391 BTC [+] {2} 578210;1395649730;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10066 @ 0.0009528 = 9.5909 BTC [+] 578211;1395649913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134 @ 0.0009528 = 0.1277 BTC [+] 578212;1395650408;dexX7;am to teh moon! 578213;1395650422;VanCleef;yeh for some strange reason 578214;1395650450;VanCleef;reallyoverpriced 578215;1395650561;dexX7;"strange" 578216;1395650574;dexX7;"The first wafers were out in March 22th. The engineering batch of packaged chips will be out in March 28th. After that we can immediately start testing on functionality and power consumption." 578217;1395650577;davout;good morning! 578218;1395650582;mircea_popescu;heya 578219;1395650583;dexX7;hi 578220;1395650584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.69 BTC [-] 578221;1395650604;mircea_popescu;dexX7 what's strange about that ? 578222;1395650616;dexX7;nothing - that's the point 578223;1395650627;dexX7;ah you missed "<VanCleef> yeh for some strange reason" 578224;1395650632;mircea_popescu;a a 578225;1395650693;VanCleef;but even .6 btc really overpriced 578226;1395650704;VanCleef;will take you 6 years to make back roi 578227;1395650770;VanCleef;and am is hardly mining anymore they will just be selling chips 578228;1395650782;dexX7;;;calc 400000*0.6 578229;1395650782;gribble;240000 578230;1395650809;mircea_popescu;what do the chips do, i forget. 3gh ? 578231;1395650818;dexX7;;;calc 6*24*365*25 578232;1395650818;gribble;1314000 578233;1395650841;VanCleef;is it worth it dexX7 ? 578234;1395650852;dexX7;;;calc 240000/1314000 578235;1395650852;gribble;0.182648401826 578236;1395650868;dexX7;18 % network hashrate over one year needed 578237;1395650896;VanCleef;they wont achieve that because i dont think they are even mining, just selling chips 578238;1395650905;mircea_popescu;dexX7 mind commenting that calc sowe can follow at home ? 578239;1395650951;dexX7;okay.. there are 400k am shares, so to make 0.6 btc per share you'd need 240000 btc in total 578240;1395650965;dexX7;over one year there can be 1314000 btc mined 578241;1395651007;mircea_popescu;oh oh i see 578242;1395651014;mircea_popescu;i thought you were somehow calcing the chips roi 578243;1395651052;mircea_popescu;VanCleef the 18% is of the total hashes hashed by the network over your arbitrary interval 578244;1395651066;mircea_popescu;not necessarily of the hashpower. 578245;1395651073;dexX7;about the chips: "Rated Hashrate: 12.8GHash/s per chip" + "Power Consumption: 0.2J/GHash low voltage, 0.35J/GHash rated voltage" + "0.49$/G-0.99$/G, depending on order size and delivery speed of choice." 578246;1395651083;mircea_popescu;if they average 3% over the next 6 years then they made the 18% in question as it were 578247;1395651095;VanCleef;yeh 578248;1395651096;mircea_popescu;ok let's then math this. 578249;1395651113;dexX7;yea well, the math is biased and doesn't factor in any expenses 578250;1395651118;mircea_popescu;;;gen 12800000 578251;1395651118;gribble;Error: "gen" is not a valid command. 578252;1395651121;mircea_popescu;;;genrate 12800000 578253;1395651122;gribble;The expected generation output, at 12800000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 4250217919.87, is 1.51455843716 BTC per day and 0.0631066015484 BTC per hour. 578254;1395651141;mircea_popescu;meh it got moved to mhps huh 578255;1395651160;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1.51455843716 * 550 578256;1395651160;gribble;833.007140438 578257;1395651183;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.35 * 0.1 * 24 * 3600 578258;1395651183;gribble;3024.0 578259;1395651199;mircea_popescu;o wait per Gh 578260;1395651202;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.35 * 0.1 * 24 * 3600 / 12.8 578261;1395651202;gribble;236.25 578262;1395651234;mircea_popescu;well that's the end of the story. 578263;1395651264;mircea_popescu;.5 dollars a day (.833 dollars a day in mining revenue, .236 dollars a day in elec costs for chip only) 578264;1395651292;mircea_popescu;from which you have to repay 6 to 12.8 dollars for the chip + all other setup and fixed costs and make a profit. 578265;1395651325;mircea_popescu;obviously difficulty is still popping up, add in delivery and lead-in times and you're looking at a very tenuous bottom line 578266;1395651368;dexX7;interesting 578267;1395651369;VanCleef;so what's a fair share price for am atm? 578268;1395651378;mircea_popescu;maybe .2 - .3 ? 578269;1395651382;dexX7;1 btc+ due to the hype 578270;1395651387;mircea_popescu;or that yeah 578271;1395651390;dexX7;oh you said "fair" 578272;1395651392;VanCleef;yeh .3 makes sense 578273;1395651394;mircea_popescu;depends what you mean by "Fair" 578274;1395651469;mircea_popescu;who could have imagined that one day chips able to do 12.8 gh/s were going to not be worth a dollar. 578275;1395651514;mircea_popescu;http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/why-impact-us-sanctions-russia-going-be-exactly-zero 578276;1395651515;ozbot;Why the Impact of U.S. Sanctions on Russia Is Going to Be Exactly Zero | Alternet 578277;1395651521;mircea_popescu;mostly quoted for the "asia times by pepe escobar" 578278;1395651533;VanCleef;pepe escobar a name you can trust 578279;1395651548;dexX7;let's look at the competition. knc's neptune coming q2: "Minimum 3000GH/s" + "A 30% reduction in watts per GH" (currently about 1.6 w/gh afaik) + "$ 9,995.00" 578280;1395651592;mircea_popescu;dexX7 you don't see the whole competition 578281;1395651605;mircea_popescu;there are at least two manufacturers who are delivering but never bothered with the forum, at all. 578282;1395651623;VanCleef;"After the dotcom bubble and burst, they reinflated it with the real estate credit crisis bubble which also burst, now they've created the bubble of all bubbles its called the bailout bubble - The USA government launched bail outs, stimulus packages and guarantees to the tune of 10 trillion dollars. That's more than the total cost to the USA government for WW1, WW2, the Korean war, the Vietnam war, the invasion of Iraq and 578283;1395651637;VanCleef;scary 578284;1395651638;dexX7;hehe i'm not really following the mining stuff 578285;1395651651;mircea_popescu;dexX7 i don't mean you-you. i mean, "the community" 578286;1395651762;VanCleef;china is playing this really smart 578287;1395651765;VanCleef;good on them 578288;1395652238;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjewMXvIIAAm_Gj.jpg 578289;1395652454;VanCleef;nice 578290;1395652536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 46 @ 0.06836259 = 3.1447 BTC [-] {14} 578291;1395652963;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00095654 = 11.4785 BTC [+] {2} 578292;1395653024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00095661 = 1.4827 BTC [+] 578293;1395653058;mircea_popescu;Jon Gordon @JonGordon11 It's simple. The more you prepare the better you perform. This goes for sports, business, tests, speeches and life. 578294;1395653058;mircea_popescu;Mircea Popescu @JonGordon11 @johnsonwhitney And masturbation ? 578295;1395653068;mircea_popescu;i tell you, twitter is too damned easy. it's like being back in romania almost. 578296;1395653195;dexX7;you are not in romania? 578297;1395653264;mircea_popescu;well i hadn't been doing business with actual romanian corps (as opposed to foreign run subsidiaries) for a decade. i had not been hiring romanians. for the past year i've not been writing in romanian, either, which means i don't even read the press 578298;1395653268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00095678 = 19.0399 BTC [+] {3} 578299;1395653272;mircea_popescu;practically i live on an extrateritorial acre or somesuch. 578300;1395653529;cazalla;i know of 2 romanian people - both put out daily content - the other being kripparrian 578301;1395653560;dexX7;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528464.new#new 578302;1395653561;ozbot;[ANN] [ROCKMINER] IPO Announcement - miners using GEN3 ASICMINER chips 578303;1395653578;mircea_popescu;kripparian sounds armenian 578304;1395653614;cazalla;well, i believe he lives in canada 578305;1395653623;mircea_popescu;lolk 578306;1395653868;dexX7;https://www.kraken.com/security/audit "cryptographically-verified audit" 578307;1395653878;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15747 @ 0.00095715 = 15.0722 BTC [+] {2} 578308;1395653906;mircea_popescu;i dunno about that 578309;1395653933;mircea_popescu;after their appaling performance (showing the same deposit addresses to multiple users, losing hundreds of btc in the process) 578310;1395653950;mircea_popescu;and their appaling response to mpoe-pr (failing to fire the appaling pr, mt-gox-esque cover-up and denial) 578311;1395653960;mircea_popescu;i can't take anything of the sort other than more cover-up and more lying. 578312;1395653977;mircea_popescu;add more l's in there. 578313;1395653996;dexX7;hehe 578314;1395654015;dexX7;according to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528432 kraken holds about 0.5 % more coins than required 578315;1395654072;mircea_popescu;well, each his own determination. i do not trust them, at all. 578316;1395654086;mircea_popescu;i had originally hoped maybe they actually come to something, but i was disabused of these notions. 578317;1395654244;dexX7;did they screw up in the past or did they screw up and tried to cover that? 578318;1395654270;mircea_popescu;the latter. 578319;1395654283;mircea_popescu;it's in their thread, look for mpoe-pr's posts 578320;1395654402;dexX7;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg4924847#msg4924847 this one? 578321;1395654403;ozbot;[ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG 578322;1395654469;mircea_popescu;yea 578323;1395654505;mircea_popescu;tis how dargo's btc career ended one day. 578324;1395654527;mircea_popescu;(hint : just because your "employer" tells you to do something, it doesn't follow it's a good idea to do - either for them or for you) 578325;1395654617;dexX7;true 578326;1395654713;mircea_popescu;people just gotta use teh noggin a lot more, everywhere 578327;1395655525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24543 @ 0.00095768 = 23.5043 BTC [+] {2} 578328;1395656105;jurov;http://www.tvp.info/14506221/duma-do-polskiego-msz-podzielmy-ukraine Zhirinovsky.Of course. 578329;1395656746;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.68999 = 2.76 BTC [-] 578330;1395657843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3616 @ 0.00095483 = 3.4527 BTC [-] 578331;1395659063;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.0009545 = 6.8724 BTC [-] 578332;1395659124;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8823 @ 0.00095294 = 8.4078 BTC [-] 578333;1395660413;jurov;kakobrekla, bitcoin-assets.com throws 503, subdomains work 578334;1395660832;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.003017 = 3.017 BTC [-] {12} 578335;1395660833;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.0009528 = 4.9546 BTC [-] 578336;1395660893;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.0030121 = 0.3615 BTC [-] 578337;1395662601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.006511 = 0.2149 BTC [-] {2} 578338;1395662723;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00095188 = 8.8525 BTC [-] {2} 578339;1395663577;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00317699 = 0.6354 BTC [+] {3} 578340;1395664813;ThickAsThieves;So Rockxie is IPOing? 578341;1395664816;ThickAsThieves;hrm 578342;1395664826;ThickAsThieves;seems suspect 578343;1395664844;ThickAsThieves;he's been a board member and primary reseller for a long time 578344;1395664873;ThickAsThieves;seems like a hedge at best 578345;1395665103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6711 = 1.3422 BTC [-] 578346;1395665537;MisterE;is PPC going to supernova tonight? 578347;1395665715;MisterE;I got 99 problems but holding alts ain't one 578348;1395665832;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528432 578349;1395665834;ozbot;[ANN] Kraken Passes Cryptographically Verifiable Proof of Reserves Audit 578350;1395665991;ThickAsThieves;"Claim 1: Kraken controls a certain amount of Bitcoins." 578351;1395665993;ThickAsThieves;... 578352;1395666095;chetty;controls is an interesting choice of words 578353;1395666161;VanCleef;i'm ready to learn about the power of love 578354;1395666200;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1031 @ 0.00292881 = 3.0196 BTC [-] {11} 578355;1395666261;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.0029 = 0.2465 BTC [-] 578356;1395666339;ThickAsThieves;love is like greed, it'll motivate you to get fucked 578357;1395666412;nubbins`;showing how many btc you hold is vulgar, anyway ;p 578358;1395666443;ThickAsThieves;are numbers vulgar in an audit? 578359;1395666474;Diablo-D3;who in here was looking for a cheap dedi server? 578360;1395666478;ThickAsThieves;i guess it doesnt matter 578361;1395666484;VanCleef;good quote tat 578362;1395666498;ThickAsThieves;i made it myself 578363;1395666516;Diablo-D3;https://www.exelion.net/ use coupon hn50 578364;1395666517;ozbot;Exelion Hosting 578365;1395666523;VanCleef;:) 578366;1395666531;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: exceptions to every rule :D 578367;1395666609;nubbins`;my roommate is supposed to be heading to las vegas today 578368;1395666611;nubbins`;http://weather.gc.ca/warnings/report_e.html?nl21#905cwhx 578369;1395666611;ozbot;Alerts for: St. John's and vicinity - Environment Canada 578370;1395666617;nubbins`;but i don't know if he will! 578371;1395666645;VanCleef;isit a guy or a girl? 578372;1395667098;ThickAsThieves;the eternal question 578373;1395667268;VanCleef;hows your music going tat, still making some beats? 578374;1395667359;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00280365 = 5.6073 BTC [-] {18} 578375;1395667514;nubbins`;VanCleef: guy 578376;1395667538;nubbins`;GWAR frontman Dave Brockie dead at 50 578377;1395667603;ThickAsThieves;VanCleef, I helped with a local compilation of beats by local producers 578378;1395667606;VanCleef;what today? 578379;1395667615;VanCleef;nubbins 578380;1395667617;ThickAsThieves;it'll be released this week with some listening session events and such 578381;1395667628;VanCleef;yeh nice tat 578382;1395667639;nubbins`;http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/gwar-frontman-dave-brockie-a-k-a-oderus-urungus-reportedly-dead-at-50/ 578383;1395667681;novusordo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528464 578384;1395667682;ozbot;[ANN] [ROCKMINER] IPO Announcement - miners using GEN3 ASICMINER chips 578385;1395667732;ThickAsThieves;"GWAR's latest album, "Battle Maximus", sold around 3,500 copies in the United States in its first week of release to debut at position No. 109 on The Billboard 200 chart. " 578386;1395667742;ThickAsThieves;wow music industry really is in the shitter 578387;1395667759;VanCleef;yep 578388;1395667776;ThickAsThieves;so they maybe sell 10-15,000 each release 578389;1395667786;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 183 @ 0.00272 = 0.4978 BTC [-] 578390;1395667826;VanCleef;is there some bad news about neobee lately? 578391;1395667877;ThickAsThieves;well they said they'd release financial info last week and they didnt 578392;1395667892;VanCleef;ahh i see, thanks 578393;1395667901;ThickAsThieves;not sure if it was sposed to be a real update or just financial projections 578394;1395667961;VanCleef;do you have shares in anything atm? 578395;1395667984;ThickAsThieves;if i did i wouldnt necessarily say 578396;1395668028;novusordo;berkshire hathaway 578397;1395668030;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00272 = 0.1822 BTC [-] 578398;1395668076;VanCleef;lol cmon man i need something, tired of sitting ont he sidelines 578399;1395668085;Neil;.d 578400;1395668086;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 80 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.1362% in 0d 11h 4m 47s 578401;1395668091;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00273 = 0.1829 BTC [+] 578402;1395668105;nubbins`;VanCleef http://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/ 578403;1395668105;novusordo;dat difficulty doe 578404;1395668137;novusordo;so what do you fellows think about the kraken audit process? 578405;1395668142;nubbins`;5.5btc up for grabs there, potentially 578406;1395668149;VanCleef;i cant wait that long 578407;1395668152;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 330 @ 0.00273 = 0.9009 BTC [+] {2} 578408;1395668156;VanCleef;my daughter needs surgery next month 578409;1395668194;ThickAsThieves;stop with the surgery line, it's presumptious at best 578410;1395668217;nubbins`;your daughter needs surgery next month so you're looking for a BTC fund to invest in?! 578411;1395668223;*;nubbins` calls social services 578412;1395668228;VanCleef;yeh because i dont have enough coins for it 578413;1395668236;novusordo;seems legit 578414;1395668239;nubbins`;^ 578415;1395668274;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 615 @ 0.00272878 = 1.6782 BTC [+] {3} 578416;1395668330;VanCleef;rockxie ipo might be a decent buy 578417;1395668335;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.670011 = 1.34 BTC [-] 578418;1395668338;ThickAsThieves;as a gem, maybe 578419;1395668457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00095128 = 8.6566 BTC [-] {2} 578420;1395668720;VanCleef;havelock down again? 578421;1395668730;VanCleef;how come fb never gets ddos? 578422;1395668798;ThickAsThieves;cuz their model is pretty much to invite ddos 578423;1395668806;ThickAsThieves;so theyve spent years accommodating 578424;1395668988;nubbins`;might as well try to ddos amazon 578425;1395669015;VanCleef;SSL handshake failed 578426;1395669067;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00273 = 0.546 BTC [+] 578427;1395669128;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7121 @ 0.00095119 = 6.7734 BTC [-] 578428;1395669518;dexX7;"For me as outsider it looks like jimmothy is a paid shill/troll from an competing Bitcoin investment plattform. 578429;1395669518;dexX7;" ahahaha so i'm not the only one :D 578430;1395669527;dexX7;no wait 578431;1395669533;dexX7;invert the message 578432;1395669554;dexX7;this guy has the right feeling, but not the understanding of pure troll marketing 578433;1395669823;novusordo;let's ddos cloudfare 578434;1395669921;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6775 @ 0.00095053 = 6.4398 BTC [-] {2} 578435;1395669982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.675 BTC [+] 578436;1395670065;VanCleef;lets ddos netscape 578437;1395670454;ThickAsThieves;http://tradeblock.com/research/new-name-new-tools-new-team-member-welcome-tradeblock/ 578438;1395670455;ozbot;New Name, New Tools, New Team Member - Welcome to TradeBlock | TradeBlock 578439;1395670482;ThickAsThieves;We decided we needed some non-news, an uglier website, and a more generic name 578440;1395670586;kakobrekla;jurov yes that is intentional 578441;1395670725;ThickAsThieves;you used to have content, there no? 578442;1395670731;ThickAsThieves;what is the intention? 578443;1395670836;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00275 = 0.55 BTC [+] 578444;1395670958;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00270525 = 8.1158 BTC [-] {6} 578445;1395671019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00095204 = 13.519 BTC [+] 578446;1395671141;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0027 = 0.81 BTC [-] 578447;1395671258;kakobrekla;ThickAsThieves there was a breach yesterday, i decided to kill the container until uncompromisable version is up - you dont want to be running code that you dont know what it does. 578448;1395671275;kakobrekla;well it wasnt yesterday, it was noticed then. 578449;1395671284;kakobrekla;offtopic: 578450;1395671284;kakobrekla;>Am I correct that I will be losing btc on these bets even though I am winning the bet? If I am wrong then please do not cancel and refund, however if I am correct please cancel and refund. 578451;1395671356;ThickAsThieves;hehe 578452;1395671368;jurov;;;bc,stats 578453;1395671370;gribble;Current Blocks: 292252 | Current Difficulty: 4.2502179198695354E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 292319 | Next Difficulty In: 67 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4999212861.54 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.62251 578454;1395671379;ThickAsThieves;i hear ya kako, wordpress is a bitch 578455;1395671385;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6874995 = 1.375 BTC [+] {2} 578456;1395671401;kakobrekla;jurov address ? 578457;1395671414;jurov;what? 578458;1395671421;kakobrekla;your bitcoin address 578459;1395671423;kakobrekla;give it to me 578460;1395671435;jurov;you really want to refund? i was joking 578461;1395671445;kakobrekla;sure why not 578462;1395671464;ThickAsThieves;uh oh 578463;1395671470;ThickAsThieves;bad precedent 578464;1395671490;jurov;if you want, just send 0.1 to true donations addy for me 578465;1395671507;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0543 = 0.3258 BTC [-] {2} 578466;1395671510;kakobrekla;fine then. 578467;1395671514;kakobrekla;thanks 578468;1395671517;kakobrekla;:> 578469;1395671568;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05523333 = 0.3314 BTC [+] {5} 578470;1395671629;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0558 = 0.279 BTC [+] {3} 578471;1395671690;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05625714 = 0.3938 BTC [+] {4} 578472;1395671692;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 578473;1395671751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05767448 = 0.4614 BTC [+] {2} 578474;1395671961;ThickAsThieves;"And MP if you think you are the most significant innovator in this space, get prepared to unexpectedly kneel. You will soon be reminded that this space is fundamentally driven by technologists/technology, not Romanian Wallstreet wannabees." 578475;1395672004;jurov;who said that? some of power rangers? 578476;1395672041;nubbins`;this space is fundamentally driven by coddled children 578477;1395672050;Apocalyptic;would like to know the source as well TAT 578478;1395672056;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0654006 = 0.327 BTC [-] {4} 578479;1395672062;ThickAsThieves;the forum of course 578480;1395672068;ThickAsThieves;AnonyMint 578481;1395672079;jurov;ThickAsThieves I found this funny: http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/#comment-98643 578482;1395672088;jurov;in light of NEO/BEE PR 578483;1395672088;nubbins`;Get prepared to unexpectedly kneel. 578484;1395672094;nubbins`;that doesn't make any fucking sense 578485;1395672117;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-] 578486;1395672134;ThickAsThieves;unfortunately i have no say in Neo's PR, etc 578487;1395672160;ThickAsThieves;nubbins, you are right that line is funnier than i first realized 578488;1395672343;KRS-1;Bandwidth wasn't higher because cached content wasn't downloaded from the Web server again, only new content and new visitors was the delta. 578489;1395672361;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06725 = 0.1345 BTC [+] {2} 578490;1395672362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0574 = 0.1148 BTC [-] 578491;1395672410;nubbins`;heh: http://i.imgur.com/jORElZr.jpg 578492;1395672421;nubbins`;"oh, shit, it's over there" 578493;1395672490;kakobrekla;lol 578494;1395672605;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7463 @ 0.00095021 = 7.0914 BTC [-] 578495;1395672851;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06989713 = 0.4893 BTC [-] {2} 578496;1395672973;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 90 @ 0.00428298 = 0.3855 BTC [-] {6} 578497;1395673032;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06989999 = 0.3495 BTC [-] 578498;1395673215;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.00095014 = 9.5489 BTC [-] {2} 578499;1395673247;ThickAsThieves;'In a statement, Huawei spokesman Bill Plummer criticized the spying measures. “If it is true, the irony is that exactly what they (NSA, US) are doing to us is what they have always charged that the Chinese are doing through us,” he said. “If such espionage has been truly conducted, then it is known that the company is independent and has no unusual ties to any government and that 578500;1395673247;ThickAsThieves;knowledge should be relayed publicly to put an end to an era of mis- and disinformation.”' 578501;1395673276;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07099999 = 1.065 BTC [+] {2} 578502;1395673348;nubbins`;mis and dis 578503;1395673399;VanCleef;huawei lost around of business around of world because of usa's trolling 578504;1395673404;VanCleef;alot 578505;1395673427;VanCleef;i demand a public apology from obama 578506;1395673520;nubbins`;http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.ca/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html 578507;1395673520;ozbot;Hyperbole and a Half: The Alot is Better Than You at Everything 578508;1395673542;ThickAsThieves;i debated corrected him... 578509;1395673608;ThickAsThieves;correcting 578510;1395673609;ThickAsThieves;lol 578511;1395673619;ThickAsThieves;maybe one day alot will be a word 578512;1395673620;nubbins`;three-day storm coming; seasonal snowclearing staff laid off this past friday. down to 50 operators from 180 578513;1395673621;nubbins`;FUN 578514;1395673634;nubbins`;ThickAsThieves: it happened with alright, so who knows 578515;1395673700;ThickAsThieves;maybe all the all combos started that way 578516;1395673704;ThickAsThieves;always 578517;1395673729;ThickAsThieves;but all is not a 578518;1395673749;ThickAsThieves;although(<--- !) all is a lot 578519;1395673830;ThickAsThieves;anyone ever search for plane tickets and notice that after 10 minutes or so, options disappear and prices go up? 578520;1395673841;ThickAsThieves;then you check a few hours later and they revert 578521;1395673842;nubbins`;that shit is heavy voodoo 578522;1395673854;Apocalyptic;ThickAsThieves, yeah 578523;1395673854;nubbins`;for extra lels, look up prices with a few different web browsers. 578524;1395673867;Apocalyptic;they're doing it on purpose, psychologic pressure and all 578525;1395673892;nubbins`;prices based on user-agent string, i've seen it 578526;1395673893;ThickAsThieves;i like how all the "competing" price sites advertise each other 578527;1395673912;Apocalyptic;<nubbins`> prices based on user-agent string, i've seen it // heh, really ? 578528;1395673917;nubbins`;yep 578529;1395673934;Apocalyptic;like OS X browser users wil be charged more than the rest ? 578530;1395673939;nubbins`;idea being that people who use, for example, IE6/7 are fucking idiots and won't shop around 578531;1395673945;ThickAsThieves;surely Apocalyptic 578532;1395673964;nubbins`;this has been known to happen in insurance circles too 578533;1395673975;ThickAsThieves;iOS is a tax on your internet life probly 578534;1395673979;nubbins`;anyway, http://www.lastminutetravel.com/ 578535;1395674042;nubbins`;what's the other one? 578536;1395674043;nubbins`;kayak 578537;1395674060;nubbins`;http://www.kayak.com 578538;1395674062;VanCleef;Malaysia Airlines sends condolences to families via text message......and you thought breaking up with someone via txt messaging was rude 578539;1395674064;nubbins`;^ double-plus good 578540;1395674068;ThickAsThieves;i cant trust kayak 578541;1395674070;nubbins`;no? 578542;1395674081;ThickAsThieves;nah, Priceline pop-ups 578543;1395674085;ThickAsThieves;fuck that 578544;1395674095;ThickAsThieves;ads for competitors 578545;1395674100;ThickAsThieves;etc 578546;1395674130;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.0009531 = 11.1989 BTC [+] {3} 578547;1395674130;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.00292933 = 0.5068 BTC [+] {4} 578548;1395674191;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13450 @ 0.0009545 = 12.838 BTC [+] 578549;1395674224;nubbins`;ah 578550;1395674231;nubbins`;i've used them in the past with success 578551;1395674313;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0574 = 0.1722 BTC [-] 578552;1395674374;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06612499 = 0.2645 BTC [-] {4} 578553;1395674436;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] {2} 578554;1395674618;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07099999 = 0.142 BTC [+] 578555;1395674740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.0029 = 0.5684 BTC [+] 578556;1395674741;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0579 = 0.1158 BTC [+] 578557;1395675045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.11950724 = 1.0756 BTC [-] {2} 578558;1395675167;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.071 = 0.284 BTC [+] 578559;1395675517;benkay;o/ 578560;1395675550;benkay;lulz aplenty: http://bdaccelerate.com/#mentors-investors 578561;1395675594;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00668989 = 0.1672 BTC [-] 578562;1395675777;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00095015 = 1.8053 BTC [-] 578563;1395675923;ThickAsThieves;"One of North America’s Best Word of Mouth Marketers" 578564;1395676021;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [-] 578565;1395676082;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] 578566;1395676125;benkay;"Internet Personality" 578567;1395676143;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07 = 0.7 BTC [-] 578568;1395676260;jurov;Kirk will teach a maverick entrepreneur how to think like an executive 578569;1395676493;asciilifeform;and now for something completely different: 578570;1395676514;nubbins`;a word of mouth marketer 578571;1395676515;nubbins`;my sides 578572;1395676523;asciilifeform;'Russians! I'm speaking to all Russians, those of you who live in Ukraine and Belarus are also called Russians here in the Balkans. Look at us and remember - the very same thing will be done to you, should you break up and show weakness. The West - is a chained, rabid dog, that shall tear out your throat. Brothers, remember the fate of Yugoslavia! Do not allow the same to be done to you! Russians, why do you 578573;1395676523;asciilifeform;need Europe? It is hard to find a more self-sufficient people than yourselves. It is Europe who has need of you, but you need it not. You are so many - a whole three countries - but where is your unity! You have everything your own: much land, energy, fuel, water, science, industry, culture. When we had our Yugoslavia and we were united, we felt ourselves to be a great strength, able to shift mountains. But n 578574;1395676524;asciilifeform;ow, because of our folly, nationalism, unwillingness to hear each other - Yugoslavia is no more, and we - are now pimples on the political map of Europe, new markets for their overpriced garbage and for American democracy.' (- from the last interview given by Slobodan Milosevic, not long after he was 'accidentally' given the wrong heart meds. Translation mine.) 578575;1395676594;nubbins`;schlomo dan 578576;1395676794;asciilifeform;*not long before 578577;1395676795;asciilifeform;damn 578578;1395676810;*;asciilifeform goes to coffee 578579;1395676842;*;asciilifeform does not in fact translate interviews from corpses 578580;1395676987;jurov;fine, now only if russians managed not to mess up everything they touch 578581;1395677046;nubbins`;like pussy riot 578582;1395677047;VanCleef;stay strong russia we support your movement 578583;1395677048;nubbins`;;p 578584;1395677095;jurov;lol @everyones pussy riot fixation 578585;1395677213;VanCleef;talk shit about putin what do you expect? 578586;1395677233;benkay;talk shit about pudenda 578587;1395677361;jurov;i'd say it was russian govt-sposored stunt to get west away from talking about everything else 578588;1395677369;nubbins`;jurov: i like it because it's not often you get to see stuffy newscasters having to say things like "pussy riot" :D 578589;1395677376;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/eastern-newfoundland-struck-by-wintry-blast-1.2583839 578590;1395677377;ozbot;Eastern Newfoundland struck by wintry blast - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News 578591;1395677385;nubbins`;^ that picture was taken a stone's throw from my house 578592;1395677407;nubbins`;very, very steep hill (60deg incline) just out of frame to the left 578593;1395677424;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0574 = 0.1722 BTC [-] 578594;1395677495;benkay;nubbins`: another gorgeous (!) day down south. 578595;1395677546;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07 = 0.91 BTC [-] 578596;1395677547;nubbins`;heh. 578597;1395677754;ThickAsThieves;http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/24/new-derivative-guards-against-bitcoins-price-swings/?mod=MarketsMain 578598;1395677755;ozbot;New Derivative Guards Against Bitcoin’s Price Swings - MoneyBeat - WSJ 578599;1395677787;ThickAsThieves;"Under the swap–known as a “non-deliverable” forward because the contract is settled in cash without the need to deliver bitcoin–the parties agreed to pay each other in the future a certain amount based on the values of the two currencies. " 578600;1395677802;nubbins`;i wonder how much money Mike Caldwell has made from licensing pictures of his coins 578601;1395677815;ThickAsThieves;it's the anti-mpex option! balance must be restored! 578602;1395677838;nubbins`;i still want one of those 0.1 silvers, but they're not easy to come by 578603;1395677905;mike_c_d;"The parties to the swap agreed to use an average price taken from multiple bitcoin exchanges" << good luck. 578604;1395677913;ninjashogun;does anyone know why recruiters (headhunters) don't share their bonus with their successfully placed recruit, as a cash payment (/incentive)? Especially where they make a large commission? 578605;1395677923;ninjashogun;It seems this would incentivize employees to use that headhunter to get to the same job - but it's not done. Any ideas why? 578606;1395677948;benkay;headhunters place the clueless. the clueless can't negotiate. 578607;1395677973;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0579 = 0.1737 BTC [+] 578608;1395678157;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.66528967 = 5.9876 BTC [-] {8} 578609;1395678217;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] 578610;1395678218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5627 @ 0.00095209 = 5.3574 BTC [+] 578611;1395678242;chetty;about all those dead bankers? 578612;1395678244;chetty;http://wallstreetonparade.com/2014/03/document-jpmorgan-chase-bets-10-4-billion-on-the-early-death-of-workers/ 578613;1395678245;ozbot;Document: JPMorgan Chase Bets .4 Billion on the Early Death of Workers 578614;1395678373;benkay;nailguns. 578615;1395678442;ninjashogun;is that true though? Don't Gogle, Amazon, etc use headhunters for placing senior hires? 578616;1395678485;novusordo;i would 578617;1395678583;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 141 @ 0.0062084 = 0.8754 BTC [-] {5} 578618;1395678644;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] 578619;1395678645;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 75 @ 0.0066299 = 0.4972 BTC [+] {5} 578620;1395678993;ThickAsThieves;i suppose a good headhunter would also make sure you got the best salary and benefits 578621;1395679021;ThickAsThieves;but, like real estate agents, there is more incentive in qty of deals over quality 578622;1395679193;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.660001 = 1.32 BTC [-] 578623;1395679367;mike_c_d;you altcoin miners are slow. 1.5 hours since last block? hash faster! 578624;1395679426;Apocalyptic;^ 578625;1395679761;benkay;mike_c_d: i'm fighting to get my block erupter up on a macintosh during late-night sleepy hours 578626;1395679816;mike_c_d;every 300 mhs helps. 578627;1395679832;mike_c_d;;;atc,stats 578628;1395679832;gribble;Error: "atc,stats" is not a valid command. 578629;1395679838;mike_c_d;silly gribble 578630;1395679864;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 93 @ 0.00612978 = 0.5701 BTC [-] {4} 578631;1395680108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.06401 = 0.3201 BTC [+] 578632;1395680169;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0699999 = 0.14 BTC [-] 578633;1395680230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+] 578634;1395680231;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.64934186 = 16.2335 BTC [-] {15} 578635;1395680292;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06401 = 0.256 BTC [+] 578636;1395680296;benkay;here's some madness 578637;1395680297;benkay;https://medium.com/p/1d068ac5a205 578638;1395680352;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.53035874 BTC to 4`277 shares, 59162 satoshi per share 578639;1395680395;novusordo;"Using Paypal-" nope 578640;1395680413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00095015 = 3.8006 BTC [-] 578641;1395680503;thestringpuller;;;ticker 578642;1395680504;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 562.41, Best ask: 564.43, Bid-ask spread: 2.02000, Last trade: 562.4, 24 hour volume: 8486.64251253, 24 hour low: 547.0, 24 hour high: 569.48, 24 hour vwap: 559.420947826 578643;1395680583;novusordo;i want to believe that they're just trolling 578644;1395680601;novusordo;sounds like a radical liberal wet dream 578645;1395681023;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11865 @ 0.00094977 = 11.269 BTC [-] {2} 578646;1395681023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07 = 1.47 BTC [+] 578647;1395681045;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/H16RKHb 578648;1395681046;ozbot;Angry Hitler Goldfish - Imgur 578649;1395681050;jurov;this looks like over the top... but one has to accept many people are useless somehow 578650;1395681068;jurov;you either feed them or fight them, there's no other option 578651;1395681136;asciilifeform;author of that turd 'knows' that he won't be personally sold, and it shows. (not by itself damning - authors of designs for meat processing plants don't expect to ever become chickens, either. but in this case it spoils the flavour in a rather obvious way.) 578652;1395681283;nubbins`;i admit i stopped reading and started skimming when i read "$1 per hour" 578653;1395681572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 192 @ 0.0029103 = 0.5588 BTC [-] {2} 578654;1395681633;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07 = 0.56 BTC [+] 578655;1395681733;steven-__;benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_webwallets-will-always-fail-fr33aids-wallet-robbed-blockchaininfo-complicit-in-2fa-compromise.html has a broken link to http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/2014/03/05_those-coins-theyll-be-happy-with-their-new-master.html 578656;1395681816;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.642 BTC [-] 578657;1395681877;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.641 = 3.846 BTC [-] 578658;1395681938;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 160 @ 0.00612 = 0.9792 BTC [-] {2} 578659;1395682121;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [+] 578660;1395682175;kakobrekla;http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528432.0 578661;1395682177;ozbot;[ANN] Kraken Passes Cryptographically Verifiable Proof of Reserves Audit 578662;1395682182;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+] 578663;1395682485;jurov;two cans and a tentacle 578664;1395682517;jurov;did they manage coherent response to davout's challenge yet? 578665;1395682548;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 190 @ 0.00299922 = 0.5699 BTC [+] {4} 578666;1395682570;blackwhite;hola peeps 578667;1395682675;benkay;thanks steven-__ 578668;1395682689;novusordo;it's certainly nice to see some exchanges actually trying now 578669;1395682721;novusordo;don't know if kraken's audit process will be enough, but I guess we'll see. 578670;1395682980;kakobrekla;jurov what was the challenge? 578671;1395683027;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zf3di/bitstamp_and_kraken_can_you_respond_to_these/ 578672;1395683158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0571 = 0.1713 BTC [-] {2} 578673;1395683159;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06323466 = 0.1897 BTC [-] {2} 578674;1395683160;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-] {2} 578675;1395683219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0572776 = 0.1146 BTC [+] {2} 578676;1395683341;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.00299899 = 0.2189 BTC [-] {2} 578677;1395683402;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0566702 = 0.1133 BTC [-] 578678;1395683659;diametric;it doesn't really matter if they comply with US law or not. 578679;1395683696;diametric;the US doesn't let little things like following regulations get in the way of them taking your lunch money. 578680;1395683951;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00094937 = 5.6013 BTC [-] {2} 578681;1395683951;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00299899 = 0.2279 BTC [-] 578682;1395684008;davout;diametric: the us is irrelevant, they operate in europe 578683;1395684025;davout;jurov kakobrekla not rly, his answer boiled down to "because i say so" 578684;1395684046;diametric;davout: but they have accounts and accept USD within the US. 578685;1395684064;diametric;Well, Bitstamp still does. I think kraken discontinued support for USD if I'm not mistaken 578686;1395684072;davout;yeah, maybe but that's not what the conversation was about 578687;1395684095;davout;bitstamp operates in europe with an european bank, the currency in which their accounts are held is anecdotal 578688;1395684104;radan;http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCYQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DDpxjvYoLEJs&ei=8nIwU_rUD8bo2AWIw4HgAw&usg=AFQjCNEWzcjjuwoixYRx-M0TpYKZ-0LmkA&sig2=GeMYRlUAagLOdqbEUHTsuQ&bvm=bv.62922401,d.b2I 578689;1395684112;radan;uh, sorry 578690;1395684113;radan;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpxjvYoLEJs 578691;1395684120;davout;they're probably held in eur too despite balances being shown in usd 578692;1395684149;diametric;hmm for some reason I swore Bitstamp held a bank account in the US but I'm probably mistaken then. 578693;1395684378;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.057 = 0.285 BTC [+] 578694;1395684379;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.063202 = 0.316 BTC [-] 578695;1395684380;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.11950724 = 0.5975 BTC [-] 578696;1395684395;radan;is it possible to make money on bitbet 578697;1395684458;davout;diametric: they're at unicredit in slovenia 578698;1395684473;benkay;radan: if you bet correctly, sure. 578699;1395684478;Mats_cd03;jesse from kraken is hilarious 578700;1395684486;Apocalyptic;he's oblivious rather 578701;1395684503;Mats_cd03;its slowly dawning on him what a multinatl company has to deal with on a daily basis in order to engage in commerce 578702;1395684513;davout;quite funny about how reddit is all over their "audit" 578703;1395684521;Apocalyptic;^ 578704;1395684526;radan;what if you don't know which thing will happen 578705;1395684527;radan;I mean 578706;1395684534;radan;I can ask people in my industry about shit like 578707;1395684538;Apocalyptic;not sure why kako posted that link to begin with 578708;1395684540;radan;http://bitbet.us/bet/776/light-sweet-crude-oil-wti-jan-2015-over/ 578709;1395684543;ozbot;BitBet - Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014 578710;1395684548;radan;but the rest of it doesn't mean anything to me 578711;1395684568;davout;radan: probably safer to not bet on it then 578712;1395684578;radan;how am I supposed to know "if Havelock Investments continues its operation from the bet's starting date through November 20th, 2014" 578713;1395684592;mike_c_d;so you're question is "how do i make money on shit i know nothing about"? 578714;1395684595;mike_c_d;*your 578715;1395684637;radan;yes 578716;1395684665;mike_c_d;davout told you. you don't. 578717;1395684689;davout;mike_c_d: told me what? 578718;1395684705;Apocalyptic;<davout> radan: probably safer to not bet on it then 578719;1395684717;*;davout facepalms 578720;1395684742;davout;i need to not stop at the end of the first sentence 578721;1395684796;Mats_cd03;what a stupid question 578722;1395684809;radan;well 578723;1395684822;radan;people have done it before 578724;1395684925;Mats_cd03;https://soundcloud.com/iknowbitfunk/1nce-again-bit-funk-remix 578725;1395685171;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.64067363 = 1.2813 BTC [-] {2} 578726;1395685232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00095245 = 8.1911 BTC [+] {2} 578727;1395685354;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00299899 = 0.2669 BTC [-] 578728;1395685415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 69 @ 0.00557909 = 0.385 BTC [+] {3} 578729;1395685476;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0056328 = 0.1971 BTC [+] 578730;1395685536;MykelSIlver;http://bitcoin-assets.com/ : 503 Service Unavailable .... at this moment 578731;1395685587;mike_c_d;known issue. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-03-2014#578447 578732;1395685595;MykelSIlver;thx okay 578733;1395685722;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.0164003 = 0.1476 BTC [-] {2} 578734;1395685778;MykelSIlver;hope http://bitbet.us/ is safe 578735;1395685796;mike_c;yes, it was a wordpress plugin that opened a small hole. 578736;1395685803;MykelSIlver;okay 578737;1395685807;mike_c;hopefully bitbet is not running on wordpress :) 578738;1395685814;Apocalyptic;maybe bitbet is based on wordpress too 578739;1395685822;MykelSIlver;oops.. you are not sure of that ? 578740;1395685822;Apocalyptic;damn mike_c 578741;1395685852;mike_c;MykelSIlver: i'm not involved with BB. but i highly doubt it. 578742;1395685866;MykelSIlver;lets hope for the best (bets) 578743;1395685877;mike_c;kakobrekla can confirm 578744;1395685888;MykelSIlver;kk 578745;1395685890;kakobrekla;it is not :) 578746;1395685912;MykelSIlver;alright. now i can sleep again. 578747;1395685935;mike_c;Apocalyptic: gotta be quick with the quips around here 578748;1395685943;Apocalyptic;heh I figured that much 578749;1395686086;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0631858 = 0.6319 BTC [-] {5} 578750;1395686120;kakobrekla;bitcoin-assets will have a designated admin/maintainer from now on 578751;1395686168;kakobrekla;the wp part, to be specific. 578752;1395686382;jurov;and a designated secure server 578753;1395686418;jurov;btw i'm curious, what there needs CMS? 578754;1395686449;kakobrekla;i was actually contemplating just copy pasting the output of current wp in a html file 578755;1395686458;kakobrekla;and thats that 578756;1395686468;kakobrekla;but the girl is eager. :) 578757;1395686486;benkay;tell her to come hang out here too 578758;1395686489;benkay;whole family! 578759;1395686498;kakobrekla;o she is here 578760;1395686502;benkay;hi girl 578761;1395686509;jurov;;;bc,stats 578762;1395686512;gribble;Current Blocks: 292288 | Current Difficulty: 4.2502179198695354E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 292319 | Next Difficulty In: 31 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 46 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 5019360553.23 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.09655 578763;1395686541;lampelina;hi benkay 578764;1395686625;benkay;o/ lampelina 578765;1395686647;benkay;thx for handling b-a.com 578766;1395686696;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 458 @ 0.00610115 = 2.7943 BTC [-] {9} 578767;1395686758;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00602971 = 0.5547 BTC [-] {3} 578768;1395686981;benkay;today's adventures in unfucking someone else's crypto 578769;1395687009;benkay;constant secret, constant iv, vary salt -> different encrypted strings 578770;1395687021;benkay;sounds great 578771;1395687045;benkay;constant secret, constant iv, different salts of the same length -> valid decryption 578772;1395687045;benkay;WTF 578773;1395687062;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.05779541 = 3.1787 BTC [+] {5} 578774;1395687184;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06315 = 0.1895 BTC [-] 578775;1395687185;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] 578776;1395687206;benkay;vary salt *length on encryption cycle 578777;1395687239;benkay;protip: don't delegate crypto to outsourced ios developers across the ocean. 578778;1395687287;mike_c;my frustration today: it doesn't matter that python is slow as dirt, until it does. 578779;1395688218;Mats_cd03;what are you doing 578780;1395688231;Mats_cd03;with python 578781;1395688344;mike_c;well, the slow part (i think) is a have a big 2-dimensional array that i'm doing a lot of lookups into 578782;1395688405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00095362 = 17.1652 BTC [+] 578783;1395688478;Mats_cd03;pypy would solve your problem 578784;1395688492;Mats_cd03;python is doing a lot of background noise between iterations 578785;1395688501;mike_c;indeed it would.. i'm always a little worried about incompatabilities 578786;1395688503;Mats_cd03;a jit would fix that 578787;1395688514;Apocalyptic;<Mats_cd03> pypy would solve your problem // depends 578788;1395688529;Apocalyptic;but if you think you can get close to a native C prog speed you're mistaken 578789;1395688559;Mats_cd03;for your problem ctypes might be easier if you are worried about compatibility 578790;1395688563;mike_c;i just hate switching to c modules because you have to cross-compile. pita. 578791;1395688583;Mats_cd03;then create a generator so you can fill element by element? 578792;1395688632;mike_c;i'll take another look at pypy, that's a good idea. i haven't poked around at it in a while. 578793;1395688644;mike_c;thx 578794;1395688684;Mats_cd03;gl 578795;1395688710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00095445 = 7.6356 BTC [+] {2} 578796;1395688815;asciilifeform;benkay: malware? 578797;1395689075;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07 = 0.56 BTC [+] 578798;1395689135;mike_c;sheesh. 21 seconds on cpython, 3.3 secs on pypy 578799;1395689276;blackwhite;so digital voting. Government send me a "coin" for voting. I send it back to vote. Everyone can see it, cheating much less possible? Thoughts? 578800;1395689469;thestringpuller;blackwhite: mircea_popescu talks about that on trilema 578801;1395689485;blackwhite;trilema? 578802;1395689521;blackwhite;got it 578803;1395689523;blackwhite;his website 578804;1395689524;blackwhite;thnx 578805;1395689563;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-] 578806;1395689589;thestringpuller;i can't find the specific article but do a bit of googling and you'll find it 578807;1395689624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.059 = 0.177 BTC [+] 578808;1395689625;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.063 = 0.189 BTC [-] 578809;1395689701;thestringpuller;blackwhite: if you find it PM me the link 578810;1395689708;blackwhite;http://trilema.com/ 578811;1395689709;ozbot;Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 578812;1395689721;blackwhite;oh you mean the article :) 578813;1395689723;blackwhite;hehe 578814;1395689723;blackwhite;sorry 578815;1395689724;benkay;yup that's trilema 578816;1395689727;thestringpuller;lol 578817;1395689734;thestringpuller;the article I can't find it 578818;1395689750;punkman;blackwhite: here's the article http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/ 578819;1395689766;blackwhite;haha sorry 578820;1395689772;blackwhite;thanks punkman 578821;1395689788;thestringpuller;thx punkman 578822;1395689898;punkman;or this, http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-as-replacement-for-the-electoral-system/ 578823;1395689936;asciilifeform;;;google cryptographic voting 578824;1395689936;gribble;End-to-end auditable voting systems - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-end_auditable_voting_systems>; Cryptography - Electronic Voting - Stanford Crypto Group: <http://crypto.stanford.edu/pbc/notes/crypto/voting.xhtml>; Cryptographic Voting Protocols: A Systems Perspective - Usenix: (1 more message) 578825;1395689951;asciilifeform;not the least bit young field. 578826;1395689961;punkman;asciilifeform: indeed 578827;1395689991;benkay;asciilifeform: only in the sense that iOS software is all malware. 578828;1395690018;thestringpuller;there we go punkman that's the one 578829;1395690055;punkman;thestringpuller: either way not what blackwhite was hoping for 578830;1395690224;thestringpuller;the latter is 578831;1395691929;only;;;msg nickserv info only 578832;1395691930;gribble;Error: "msg" is not a valid command. 578833;1395691946;only;nvm, sorry 578834;1395692009;blackwhite;the latter actually is interesting and kind of what I was thinking 578835;1395692057;blackwhite;the main thing is how do you keep the actual vote secret, where as you want the actual vote event public 578836;1395692145;blackwhite;how many of you are using some sort of dashboard tool to follow bit coins? And is there room for someone making a better dashboard dealing perhaps not only with bitcoin but also other currencies? 578837;1395692181;benkay;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/04/california-police-body-cameras-cuts-violence-complaints-rialto 578838;1395692182;ozbot;California police use of body cameras cuts violence and complaints | World news | The Guardian 578839;1395692350;benkay;blackwhite: blockr.io's kinda the standard right now 578840;1395692355;benkay;http://blockr.io 578841;1395692369;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07 = 0.91 BTC [+] {2} 578842;1395692497;blackwhite;benkay thanks 578843;1395692515;benkay;"state of the art" 578844;1395692572;blackwhite;you think there would be room for competition? I mean after all the field is still very new 578845;1395692598;blackwhite;design is my speciality but I do enough to code this stuff too 578846;1395692704;benkay;you can always put up another website. the question i think you'll want to ask is if it's worth your time. 578847;1395692720;mike_c;there is a lot of competition already if you are talking about stuff like https://bitcoinwisdom.com/ 578848;1395693040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0584 = 0.1168 BTC [-] 578849;1395693368;thestringpuller;blackwhite: do you have a portfolio? 578850;1395693480;radan;why isn't bitcoin run like a democracy 578851;1395693572;blackwhite;thestringpuller yeah 578852;1395693578;blackwhite;it's old though 578853;1395693583;blackwhite;but here is a few things 578854;1395693629;blackwhite;http://000fff.org/uploads/Nasdaq_Design_Final_new.png 578855;1395693646;blackwhite;http://grab.by/vptq 578856;1395693655;ozbot;TinyGrab - Simple. Screenshot. Sharing. 578857;1395693663;mike_c;don't you know graphs are supposed to go up and to the right!? 578858;1395693688;benkay;backoff thestringpuller blackwhite's mien 578859;1395693690;benkay;mine* 578860;1395693697;blackwhite;:) 578861;1395693772;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00095079 = 4.3736 BTC [-] 578862;1395693831;thestringpuller;lololol 578863;1395693833;thestringpuller;POACHERS 578864;1395693955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00600062 = 0.6001 BTC [-] {5} 578865;1395694077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.0009485 = 12.1882 BTC [-] 578866;1395694138;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0589 = 0.1178 BTC [+] 578867;1395694504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] 578868;1395694565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0589 = 0.1178 BTC [+] 578869;1395694566;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.063 = 0.126 BTC [-] 578870;1395694604;benkay;!l m s.mpoe 578871;1395694604;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.0009485 BTC [-] 578872;1395694626;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00095043 = 4.8947 BTC [+] 578873;1395694748;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.063 = 0.126 BTC [-] 578874;1395694749;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-] 578875;1395694809;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07099 = 1.4198 BTC [+] 578876;1395694872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-] 578877;1395694931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0571005 = 0.1142 BTC [+] {2} 578878;1395694932;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.063 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2} 578879;1395694933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] {2} 578880;1395695297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.0009485 = 12.7099 BTC [-] 578881;1395695846;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00094999 = 2.565 BTC [+] {2} 578882;1395696151;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64004 BTC [-] 578883;1395696831;blackwhite;https://derivabit.com/ 578884;1395696832;ozbot;Derivabit | Coinflip, Inc. 578885;1395696908;Apocalyptic;https://derivabit.com/about 578886;1395696909;ozbot;Derivabit | Coinflip, Inc. 578887;1395696916;Apocalyptic;looks like they're a bunch of winners 578888;1395696973;deadweasel;mircea_popescu: "This then resolves the problem statistically, which is to say on average and generally speaking, people are unlikely to engage in morally hazardous behaviour. It also resolves the problem quite cheaply, as it requires absolutely no human intervention, the entire thing works quite mechanically." 578889;1395696996;deadweasel;i love these two lines from http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-as-replacement-for-the-electoral-system/ 578890;1395697063;deadweasel;that line is RE: 'betting late on bitbets no refund bitches' 578891;1395697121;deadweasel;it's this cheap way to solve currently expensive problems. entire industries could be minimized or abandoned altogether (finance for one 578892;1395697146;deadweasel;this nigga needs another bitcoin 578893;1395697198;deadweasel;;;lasers 578894;1395697198;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 578895;1395697371;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.057 = 0.171 BTC [-] 578896;1395697372;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.063 = 0.189 BTC [-] 578897;1395697493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00095096 = 3.8989 BTC [+] {2} 578898;1395697493;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00293368 = 0.3227 BTC [-] {6} 578899;1395697720;blackwhite;SaxoBank used to my one of my clients 578900;1395697721;blackwhite;http://www.coindesk.com/danish-investment-bank-owner-bitcoin-exploration/ 578901;1395698014;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/03/new-system-tracks-and-zaps-flies-with-lasers-to-change-behaviors/ 578902;1395698015;ozbot;New system tracks and zaps flies with lasers to change behaviors | Ars Technica 578903;1395698070;peterl;anybody here from bitbet? 578904;1395698153;mike_c;lurking around, yeah. you can just ask if you have a question. 578905;1395698298;peterl;did the terms for calculating winnings change recently? I seem to remember it used to weigh the whole amount bet, now you get what you put in back plus your weight of the losing side? 578906;1395698393;ThickAsThieves;maybe give a specific example 578907;1395698399;jurov;afaik nothing changed 578908;1395698411;ThickAsThieves;and note the number you expect to get, in contrast with the number you are getting 578909;1395698414;deadweasel;user can specify how much it's weighted 578910;1395698420;peterl;well, I seem to remember people complaining that late bets would lose money? 578911;1395698424;deadweasel;or starting weight 578912;1395698427;ThickAsThieves;still the case 578913;1395698453;ThickAsThieves;significant weight disparity can result in loss 578914;1395698459;ThickAsThieves;even on a winning bet 578915;1395698467;deadweasel;in fact: http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-as-replacement-for-the-electoral-system/ 578916;1395698469;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-] 578917;1395698472;peterl;yeah, but you can only go down to 99% 578918;1395698473;mike_c;http://bitbet.us/faq/#140 explains how you can lose money on a bet. 578919;1395698476;ozbot;FAQ BitBet 578920;1395698508;deadweasel;ozbot should spam the channel with that at least once a day. boom, no more support. 578921;1395698514;peterl;maybe I was just confused before? 578922;1395698517;deadweasel;or mpexbot or assbot or a fuckingbot 578923;1395698573;ThickAsThieves;peterl, you still havent clarified whether there are ever was a problem or misunderstanding 578924;1395698578;peterl;yeah, that link is what I was looking at. I seem to remember it being worded differently in the past. Probly I was just confused before. 578925;1395698580;ThickAsThieves;-are 578926;1395698622;ThickAsThieves;maximum amount of loss on a winning bet is 100% 578927;1395698629;ThickAsThieves;if you send late ;) 578928;1395698693;peterl;well, yeah, but that is a whole different issue entirely 578929;1395698720;deadweasel;bitbet, a neverending source of infotainment 578930;1395698723;jurov;http://bitbet.us/bet/596/btc-difficulty-to-increase-by-less-than-10/ peterl here you can see it 578931;1395698726;ozbot;BitBet - BTC difficulty to increase by less than 10% 578932;1395698771;jurov;the weight 59/100000 is less than 1% bitbet fee , hence No loses 578933;1395698896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00299999 = 0.294 BTC [+] {2} 578934;1395699192;benkay;;;later tell blackwhite so tell me sir what was your best source of dealflow? 578935;1395699192;gribble;The operation succeeded. 578936;1395699262;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00095198 = 20.0392 BTC [+] {2} 578937;1395700267;radan;what are some good beds to bid on 578938;1395700282;deadweasel;tempurpedic 578939;1395700287;benkay;i prefer bunks 578940;1395700291;cazalla;beat me :\ 578941;1395700311;benkay;surely you meant to say "bed me", cazalla. 578942;1395700313;*;deadweasel beats cazalla 578943;1395700317;cazalla;ha 578944;1395700320;benkay;cazalla's still looking for dat buttsecks 578945;1395700324;*;deadweasel beds cazalla 578946;1395700342;deadweasel;which means you got beaten twice 578947;1395700348;radan;cazalla, are you a girl 578948;1395700378;cazalla;no, what would make you think that 578949;1395700378;jurov;i bed your pardon? 578950;1395700386;nubbins`;http://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/ 578951;1395700387;ozbot;BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014 578952;1395700389;cazalla;(i was going to say yes) 578953;1395700393;radan;I knew a girl named caz 578954;1395700394;deadweasel;yo, i heard you like beds in yo bids on yo bitbet! 578955;1395700395;radan;so I was wondering 578956;1395700405;deadweasel;cas? cassie? 578957;1395700424;cazalla;it's from a book 578958;1395700492;deadweasel;wat book 578959;1395700545;cazalla;a pirate book, forget the name 578960;1395700565;radan;http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ 578961;1395700567;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment 578962;1395700569;deadweasel;ass-pirates 12, the plundering? 578963;1395700572;mike_c;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Latitudes 578964;1395700573;ozbot;Pirate Latitudes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 578965;1395700574;radan;there's a lot of people voting yes 578966;1395700575;radan;hmmm 578967;1395700579;cazalla;that's it 578968;1395700602;radan;I don't get what it's saying 578969;1395700622;cazalla;not the best book but i enjoy stuff like that, hornblower etc 578970;1395700656;mike_c;hm, hornblower has got to be better than a book crichton wrote after he died 578971;1395700666;mike_c;i liked hornblower 578972;1395700691;cazalla;yeah, i wish they would make more, shame the books are a bit difficult to read - at least for me 578973;1395700787;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.05619641 = 0.7867 BTC [-] {9} 578974;1395700909;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.06545798 = 0.7855 BTC [+] {10} 578975;1395701702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.11950724 = 0.3585 BTC [-] 578976;1395701719;benkay;mircea_popescu: derivabit.com 578977;1395701899;benkay;jurov: ^^ 578978;1395701909;benkay;thestringpuller: ^^ kakobrekla ^^ 578979;1395701943;Neil;.d 578980;1395701943;ozbot;4.250 billion | Next Diff in 6 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.6985% in 0d 0h 36m 43s 578981;1395701953;jurov;yes i have seen. "Derivabit uses Coinbase’s spot rate." 578982;1395701996;mike_c;they aren't even worth laughing at. a couple of front-end engineers built an options exchange. 578983;1395702002;jurov;how do they want to protect from manipuation? 578984;1395702007;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00095345 = 7.1985 BTC [+] 578985;1395702027;mike_c;i like their faq. question: "How can you have USD strike prices but option prices in BTC?" answer: "Orders can be canceled by their user at any time if they have not yet been matched" 578986;1395702027;benkay;let's test 'em. 578987;1395702035;benkay;i know, right mike_c? 578988;1395702043;benkay;tee hee hee question unanswered 578989;1395702386;benkay;http://toyokeizai.net/articles/-/33526 578990;1395702688;r3wt;bcauth; r3wt 578991;1395702709;r3wt;;bcauth 578992;1395702714;r3wt;help 578993;1395702725;r3wt;;;bcauth 578994;1395702725;gribble;(bcauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered with the bot with a bitcoin address for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes. 578995;1395702731;r3wt;;;bcauth r3wt 578996;1395702731;gribble;Request successful for user r3wt, hostmask r3wt!addaa87c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.218.168.124. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:84e544f76d7e0ac25e4d93a7ba6f807ce615c86e7cc8a1f727bcb5a8 578997;1395702759;benkay;wd r3wt 578998;1395703858;Neil;So the next diff is just over 5 billion 578999;1395704075;novusordo;doesn't that mean free hookers and beer? 579000;1395704203;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00095292 = 11.0062 BTC [-] {2} 579001;1395704343;nubbins`;only for some 579002;1395704349;nubbins`;also, dat mpoe 579003;1395704361;Mats_cd03;free dongs and used condoms 579004;1395704374;nubbins`;!t m s.mg 579005;1395704375;assbot;[MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00010001 / 0.00010748 / 0.000154 (7000 shares, 0.75 BTC), 30D: 0.00010001 / 0.00012597 / 0.000154 (12232 shares, 1.54 BTC) 579006;1395704427;Mats_cd03;!t m s.mpoe 579007;1395704427;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0009485 / 0.00095208 / 0.00095791 (522419 shares, 497.39 BTC), 7D: 0.00079699 / 0.00087508 / 0.00096 (6292661 shares, 5,506.62 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00085663 / 0.00096 (30411002 shares, 26,051.09 BTC) 579008;1395704433;Mats_cd03;how do i bot 579009;1395704455;nubbins`;just like that 579010;1395704481;nubbins`;i'm honestly bewildered by mpoe's volume 579011;1395704680;Mats_cd03;oh 579012;1395704686;Mats_cd03;ive had assbot on ignore this whole time 579013;1395704731;Duffer1;:D 579014;1395704816;Mats_cd03;wuts bewildering? 2600btc/30d? 579015;1395704833;Mats_cd03;well, with an additional 0 579016;1395704874;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00297601 = 0.1488 BTC [-] 579017;1395705069;jurov;;;prevdiffchange 579018;1395705167;gribble;17.80244 579019;1395705196;deadweasel;holy shit 94! 579020;1395705275;deadweasel;noice 579021;1395705596;ninjashogun;is the public ledger going to contain every record from forever? 579022;1395705622;ninjashogun;If bitcoin is used for 100 years, will anyone who participates have to download every single transactoin, ever, down to today? 579023;1395705667;deadweasel;ask again in 100 yrs 579024;1395705679;deadweasel;notice the timestampes 579025;1395705692;ninjashogun;if the blockchain is already 20 GB, then in a year or two will it be like 100 GB - just to be part of the network? 579026;1395705766;deadweasel;the future is undetermined 579027;1395705780;deadweasel;you may not survive the year, nor me nor anybody elese 579028;1395705787;deadweasel;else* 579029;1395705808;jurov;ninjashogun: it will be pruned to store only most recent outputs and all the rest will be archived 579030;1395705833;deadweasel;you can trust him, he traveleth the time. 579031;1395705853;jurov;and even if not, 100GB of SSD isn't unaffordable, I hope 579032;1395705883;deadweasel;especially in 2yrs 579033;1395705902;deadweasel;ninjashogun: how old are you again? 579034;1395705911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] 579035;1395705921;jurov;btw, I'm running btc and ltc and atc nodes off one 320gb spinning rust. seems to work fine 579036;1395705924;ninjashogun;deadweasel, 28-32 579037;1395705969;ninjashogun;I'm talking with a collaborator about crypto currencies and varoius exchanges, etc. 579038;1395705975;ninjashogun;Does anyone here know about mastercoin? 579039;1395705983;ninjashogun;Are mastercoin in here (a nick) for example? etc. 579040;1395705992;ninjashogun;here or -otc or #bitcoin 579041;1395706012;Mats_cd03;huh 579042;1395706061;ninjashogun;Mats_cd03, mastercoin. See: https://www.google.com/search?q=mastercoin 579043;1395706085;ninjashogun;http://www.mastercoin.org/ - http://www.mastercoinfoundation.org/ 579044;1395706086;ozbot;Master Protocol & Mastercoin 579045;1395706095;CheckDavid;:) 579046;1395706121;Mats_cd03;20:06 <ninjashogun> Are mastercoin in here (a nick) for example? etc. <<< huh 579047;1395706147;Mats_cd03;anyways people in here generally dont care about altchains 579048;1395706158;deadweasel;^ 579049;1395706169;Mats_cd03;oh whoops i must have misunderstood the idea 579050;1395706175;ninjashogun;Mats_cd03, I meant is a nick from one of the contributors in here. I should have asked in #bitcoin 579051;1395706185;Mats_cd03;ok 579052;1395706188;ninjashogun;sorry about that 579053;1395706230;CheckDavid;Mats_cd03: is master coin an alt chain @ 579054;1395706241;CheckDavid;It uses the btc block chain 579055;1395706263;Mats_cd03;i'm confused by the website, "Mastercoin To Create New Altcoins In Bitcoin’s Block Chain" is the title of a press release 579056;1395706266;Mats_cd03;so: idk 579057;1395706299;ninjashogun;(by the way CheckDavid and I are on skype now, and we may be collaborating on the jobs thing. I talked with him for a couple of hours total, don't know him personally yet but we're on skype.) 579058;1395706309;ninjashogun;(I have a good impression so far.) 579059;1395706348;ninjashogun;This is just in the interest of full disclosure. 579060;1395706366;Mats_cd03;cute 579061;1395706373;CheckDavid;Haha 579062;1395706374;benkay;jurov: some days don't you feel like "fuck hardware"? 579063;1395706384;CheckDavid;We are cybering 579064;1395706405;benkay;aws has all this damn storage and compute 579065;1395706418;Mats_cd03;;;ud docking 579066;1395706418;benkay;i know crypto on cloud is anathema but OOOOH THE TEMPTATION 579067;1395706419;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=docking | docking. The act of placing the head of ones penis inside the foreskin of another's penis. David and Patrick enjoyed docking immensely because of Patty's ... 579068;1395706419;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: docking 579069;1395706423;blackwhite;evening gents 579070;1395706428;Mats_cd03;^ CheckDavid + ninjashogun 579071;1395706439;CheckDavid;<3 579072;1395706460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00095527 = 18.1501 BTC [+] {3} 579073;1395706460;benkay;;;first CheckDavid 579074;1395706460;gribble;Error: "first" is not a valid command. 579075;1395706464;Mats_cd03;mixing smegma is the most intimate moment one can share with another man 579076;1395706477;benkay;gribble needs a ;;first to complement ;;seen 579077;1395706481;Duffer1;:( 579078;1395706501;Mats_cd03;alright i need a drink 579079;1395706567;Mats_cd03;https://github.com/shaih/HElib 579080;1395706640;CheckDavid;Mats_cd03: but I think master coin doesn't have any alt chain 579081;1395706654;Mats_cd03;(useful for e-voting as per prev. discussion, and maybe even useful for reducing the size of the blockchain in the future) 579082;1395706681;benkay;how so reduce size of blockchain? 579083;1395706685;CheckDavid;If I interpreted what you meant by that properly 579084;1395706741;Mats_cd03;CheckDavid: i speak from a place of ignorance re: mastercoin so dont mind me 579085;1395706749;CheckDavid;Oh OK 579086;1395706769;CheckDavid;But yeah. I am not talking about just some random alt 579087;1395706801;CheckDavid;It's supposedly a protocol that adds a lot of value to btc 579088;1395706808;benkay;supposedly. 579089;1395706818;CheckDavid;It's definitely a protocol 579090;1395706836;benkay;and i guess bitcoin is just a protocol and so this thing is additively good 579091;1395706837;CheckDavid;And it's definitely using the btc block chain 579092;1395706863;CheckDavid;Now of its valuable , that's subjective as all value is 579093;1395706868;CheckDavid;*if 579094;1395706893;nubbins`;name a good movie 579095;1395706899;benkay;glengarry glen ross 579096;1395706907;CheckDavid;Pink panther 579097;1395706933;ninjashogun;ha, pink panther 579098;1395706935;ninjashogun;I was just watching that 579099;1395707014;cazalla;can you trade bitcoons on the massahcoin network? 579100;1395707085;CheckDavid;Lolol 579101;1395707159;Mats_cd03;benkay: pulled it out of my ass. 579102;1395707185;Mats_cd03;(wouldnt ever work, occurred to me without evidence) 579103;1395707333;nubbins`;!t h hif 579104;1395707334;assbot;[HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00047505 / 0.00048074 / 0.00050498 (131 shares, 0.06297634 BTC), 7D: 0.00039967 / 0.00047559 / 0.00051299 (9474 shares, 4.50576619 BTC), 30D: 0.00038802 / 0.0005072 / 0.00057500 (66406 shares, 33.68111884 BTC) 579105;1395707353;KRS-One;nubbins? 579106;1395707355;nubbins`;from what i can tell, they're about an order of magnitude off their trading volume predictions 579107;1395707370;nubbins`;hi 579108;1395707404;kakobrekla;/cap req -identify-msg 579109;1395707409;kakobrekla;bleh 579110;1395707456;nubbins`;hmm 3.4MB/s 579111;1395707456;nubbins`;i gotta say, i'm happy with my internet service 579112;1395707456;nubbins`;it's not often i straight-up download large files 579113;1395707460;nubbins`;so i don't always appreciate it 579114;1395707472;nubbins`;4.2! 579115;1395707487;nubbins`;but this is great :D 579116;1395707558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32333 @ 0.00095571 = 30.901 BTC [+] {2} 579117;1395707632;ninjashogun;http://i.minus.com/itOALVKyDoZDB.gif 579118;1395707646;copumpkin;man, MPOE is hot again 579119;1395707867;blackwhite;what do you think is the best wallet design you have seen, visually? 579120;1395707884;ninjashogun;blackwhite - you mean physical (like leather) wallets? 579121;1395707887;deadweasel;wallet.dat 579122;1395707902;ninjashogun;Does anyone here know aobut https://cryptostocks.com/ (in specific)? 579123;1395707910;ninjashogun;and what they're doing, whether trustworthy, etc 579124;1395707917;blackwhite;i saw http://www.hivewallet.com which is interesting 579125;1395707932;Apocalyptic;ninjashogun, they're full of scams 579126;1395707934;Duffer1;ninja you can trust them to list every scam in the space 579127;1395708015;Duffer1;they probably make so much money off it that they haven't yet decided to just run with the money 579128;1395708028;ninjashogun;let's flip it around. Would a serious company that had traditoinal real-world financing rounds (convertible note, or equity offering with shareholder's agreement with a real VC) ever list on there? 579129;1395708037;Duffer1;nope 579130;1395708043;ninjashogun;I meant to write the word "options" instead of the word "rounds" 579131;1395708044;ninjashogun;okay 579132;1395708417;TestingUnoDosTre;So apparently I've been living under a bush for a while, but the creator of Candy Crush was apparently successful at generating cash flow? 579133;1395708616;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: Cryptostocks/Vircurex just did clawbacks in yet another operator enacted scam 579134;1395708667;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo, could you explain? 579135;1395708691;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: https://vircurex.com/welcome/ann_reserved.html 579136;1395708701;BingoBoingo;Run by the same operator as cryptostocks 579137;1395708703;ninjashogun;yes I saw that 579138;1395708709;ninjashogun;Oh that is VERY good information!!! 579139;1395708721;ninjashogun;However, I will say one thing. At a macro level there is no FDIC, nor bailout. 579140;1395708723;BingoBoingo;Well, can any platform that does such a thing be taken seriously? 579141;1395708727;ninjashogun;I'll explain. 579142;1395708735;ninjashogun;The reason is that actions are judged on the basis of their consequences. 579143;1395708747;ninjashogun;Now it should have been practicing PROPER opsec. 579144;1395708750;ninjashogun;It should NOT have had coins stolen. 579145;1395708752;ninjashogun;But let's say it did. 579146;1395708756;ninjashogun;What should it do now? 579147;1395708792;Apocalyptic;ninjashogun, you're not making any sense 579148;1395708793;ninjashogun;It could have done something even stronger: "We will now be fractional-reserve, the way all banks in the United States have operated for 100 years. We will not hold as many bitcoins physically as are in our accounts - nor make up the deficit." 579149;1395708806;ninjashogun;(as are in YOUR accounts, I mean) 579150;1395708809;ninjashogun;But it didn't say that: 579151;1395708816;Apocalyptic;but they can't even satisfy withdrawals now 579152;1395708830;Apocalyptic;that's why they are locking the balances, they've been operating fractional for years 579153;1395708839;Apocalyptic;ninjashogun, are you not reading the statement ? 579154;1395708856;ninjashogun;It said "We will get back to 100% reserve bank, owning as many bitcoins physically as people have on account. To get back up to that level we will take the profit from our operations and use it to build up the fractional level." 579155;1395708871;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: They never had a profit 579156;1395708878;ninjashogun;Apocalyptic, according to that statement, ALL people will be paid back eventually. 579157;1395708882;ninjashogun;I understand this. 579158;1395708885;Apocalyptic;yeah yeah... 579159;1395708887;BingoBoingo;In spite of raising 3000 some BTC in an "IPO" 579160;1395708887;ninjashogun;I know. 579161;1395708891;Apocalyptic;if you trust the statement 579162;1395708903;ninjashogun;how many btc are they reporting stolen 579163;1395708905;benkay;lol "all people will be paid back" 579164;1395708914;Apocalyptic;you believe it too benkay don't you ? 579165;1395708915;ninjashogun;wait, we can judge whether this has any chance of being true 579166;1395708917;benkay;man if i had a btc for every time i've read that 579167;1395708929;benkay;i judge stochastically these days ninjashogun 579168;1395708931;BingoBoingo;ninja they have been a known shit heap since roughly February 2012 579169;1395708934;ninjashogun;they raised 3000 btc in an IPO. That means that is free cash for them - they sold equity? 579170;1395708938;benkay;99% likelihood nobody gets paid back. 579171;1395708943;ninjashogun;I understand that. 579172;1395708949;ninjashogun;But if they shut down, that 99% becomes 100%. 579173;1395708972;benkay;... 579174;1395708974;benkay;yes. 579175;1395708977;benkay;that is very true. 579176;1395709006;BingoBoingo;They got hacked, "IPO'd", got hacked again, started paying interest on deposits, and now this. 579177;1395709007;ninjashogun;Let me make an analogy. (I might have the facts totally wrong). IN the seventies or eighties (no real idea on the decade, I'm guessing) the U.S. found that some third-world country had either stolen some of the mint's machinery, or gotten their hands on perfect reproductions. It could make undetectable counterfeit dollar bills. 579178;1395709015;ninjashogun;What did they do - did they shut down all of the then-current series? 579179;1395709034;benkay;eyo mo 579180;1395709034;ninjashogun;No. They just let the counterfeiters print at the limiting capacity of those presses, taking the hit on the total money supply. 579181;1395709055;ninjashogun;That is probably a better outcome than if they had "abandoned the dollar" due to its dilution by fake dollars. 579182;1395709057;moiety;mew :) 579183;1395709066;Mats_cd03;lol 579184;1395709082;benkay;what do you think mo: is a scam a scam? 579185;1395709084;ninjashogun;Likewise, if a currency does get hacked, it is probably better to become fractional-reserve, or freeze accounts, or play other shenanigans, than just say, "Well we're gone now, bye, and thanks" 579186;1395709101;moiety;benkay: not if its called a ponzi 579187;1395709112;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: This isn't a currency getting hacked. 579188;1395709112;benkay;ba-dum-tsh 579189;1395709131;ninjashogun;CheckDavid says (we're on skype) he doesn't get my point 579190;1395709149;BingoBoingo;This is a business admitting its business model is incompatible with reality and failing to take the last necessary action. 579191;1395709157;ninjashogun;My point is just that from among the alternatives, shutting down the exchange is guaranteed to have the worst possible outcome for lenders/creditors. (people who put thehir bitcoins or usd in.) 579192;1395709165;Mats_cd03;sure if you are the operator and you are honest then yes that is how it proceeds 579193;1395709170;moiety;do you think kakobrekla can make an ignore that works on the logs too? 579194;1395709179;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo, do you mean because vircurex is making it up? 579195;1395709195;ninjashogun;BingoBoingo, and it's not a genuine thing that happened? That https://vircurex.com/welcome/ann_reserved.html is about a lie? 579196;1395709196;Mats_cd03;what incentive does a new customer have to become a part of a known weak exchange? 579197;1395709197;benkay;moiety! stop trolling! 579198;1395709212;moiety;>.> 579199;1395709216;moiety;<.< 579200;1395709217;Mats_cd03;do you expect depositors to behave like their risk profile didnt just go up? 579201;1395709223;BingoBoingo;ninjashogun: I mean the thing they need to do is stop, and the time for them to have done so was last winter 579202;1395709235;benkay;i want an ignore that works on anyone who's unrated by people i've rated 579203;1395709256;Mats_cd03;write a script for your client 579204;1395709258;ninjashogun;Mats_cd03, no, but I think that you will find in looking at Fiat that the fact that the money supply is unilaterally increased by letting banks put more into circulation than existed - and that the rate of this is a total unknown - does not deter people from using and holding USD. 579205;1395709259;moiety;but that would mean me too for now 579206;1395709269;ninjashogun;(More specificlaly, it does deter people from holding USD, but not entirely.) 579207;1395709271;benkay;ah, rats. 579208;1395709273;moiety;i will change this though 579209;1395709278;benkay;yes plz do 579210;1395709287;benkay;maybe nag nano to let you auth with doge or something ;) 579211;1395709303;benkay;that's the really silly thing about not getting in the wot 579212;1395709312;benkay;it only takes a btc addy 579213;1395709317;Mats_cd03;nobody cares about the size of the bitcoin money supply 579214;1395709326;Mats_cd03;what are you trying to say 579215;1395709329;moiety;i would quite like my wot untainted :P 579216;1395709356;moiety;we did make bitcoinmagazine in other news 579217;1395709357;benkay;untainted by what?! 579218;1395709365;moiety;doge lol 579219;1395709374;gribble;such auth, very doge 579220;1395709383;moiety;gribble!!! 579221;1395709412;benkay;;;gribble 579222;1395709412;gribble;yes I am gribble. why do you keep bothering me? 579223;1395709418;ninjashogun;Mats_cd03, well what is the PRIMARY issue with putting your bitcoin in a site that is currently freezing someone else's bitcoins? Look at that and you will see, some people may still put some of their bitocins in. 579224;1395709439;ninjashogun;Mats_cd03, would anyone ever put their bitcoins onto a site that is currently freezing somebody else's bitcoins - and they know this? 579225;1395709449;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.64797672 = 4.5358 BTC [+] {3} 579226;1395709457;moiety;Did Izzy ever re-appear? sorry i wasn't around 579227;1395709470;benkay;;;seen Izzy_ 579228;1395709470;gribble;Izzy_ was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 16 hours, 49 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <Izzy_> ok 579229;1395709471;ninjashogun;Mats_cd03, we know for a fact that with real currencies the answer is "yes". We know because people used paypal when paypal froze merchant's accounts and ruined their businesses. We know because people use US Banks when US Banks freeze people's accounts while they're under investigatoin. etc. 579230;1395709503;benkay;difference there being 0.01% get fucked vs. 100% get fucked in this situation. 579231;1395709540;benkay;.bait 579232;1395709541;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/6c8140cdfacc9094758b3b455fded46a/tumblr_mgk585YVJc1rgmx4co1_500.jpg 579233;1395709553;Duffer1;ninjashogun cryptostocks continued operation is a gross violation of common sense, morality, and probably most jurisdiction's laws 579234;1395709556;benkay;cute. 579235;1395709562;moiety;i like this one 579236;1395709567;benkay;cryptostocks continued operation is a gross violation of thermodynamics. 579237;1395709580;benkay;vircurex too. 579238;1395709584;Apocalyptic;^ 579239;1395709597;Mats_cd03;thighs 579240;1395709626;BingoBoingo;benkay: I don't think it is proper to separate the shenanigans of the two 579241;1395709656;Mats_cd03;nobody cares about the continued operation per se; its the continued damage to the reputation of legitimate operators within the ecosystem 579242;1395709693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00630873 = 0.4416 BTC [-] {2} 579243;1395709708;Duffer1;that and the certain damage to future unwary participants in the exchange 579244;1395709731;Mats_cd03;besides which, there is no incentive for new customers in lieu of a new risk profile 579245;1395709744;benkay;fuck 'em all, let everyone drown. 579246;1395709748;benkay;it's a rotten ship and they're all rats. 579247;1395709757;Mats_cd03;paypal and usg having a number of such incentives that enable them to operate like thugs 579248;1395709789;benkay;Mats_cd03: tack another three order of magnitude on for thuggery. 579249;1395709999;Mats_cd03;also, something about conflating deposits in a exchange with actual currency... 579250;1395710023;Mats_cd03;reconsidering whether or not im being trolled tbqh 579251;1395710183;Mats_cd03;https://soundcloud.com/thomasjackmusic/benjamin-francis-leftwich 579252;1395710207;ninjashogun;Mats_cd03, you're not being trolled 579253;1395710241;ninjashogun;It's interesting though that the exchanges are behaving as the early unregulated banks did. Complete with bank runs :) (According to the quoted Vircurex text - "https://vircurex.com/welcome/ann_reserved.html") 579254;1395710262;ninjashogun;"We had enough coin balances in our cold wallet to upkeep our platform and the positive cashflow enabled us to gradually refill the wallets. 579255;1395710262;ninjashogun;Unfortunately we had large fund withdrawals in the last weeks which have lead to a complete depletion of our cold wallet balance and we are now facing the option of either closing the site with significant unrecoverable losses for all or to work out a solution that allows the exchange to continue to operate and gradually pay back the losses. " 579256;1395710270;ninjashogun;I never thought I'd see this in my lifetime :) :) :) 579257;1395710366;moiety;what the absolute fuck 579258;1395710384;ninjashogun;moiety, you know the history of banks in the United States (and elswhere) right 579259;1395710449;moiety;ninjashogun: why yes, only yesterday i learned the voice of siri was the voice for the very first atm (tillie the teller i believe) << such history 579260;1395710480;blackwhite;someone would make a killing setting up a 24/7 security company watching over those online wallets 579261;1395710528;moiety;sigh* why do you ask ninjashogun 579262;1395710529;blackwhite;how the fuck can their security be so bad? Or is it just the hackers who are that good? 579263;1395710563;moiety;or hidden answer c. scamming fucks 579264;1395710565;TestingUnoDosTre;never knew that about tillie the teller, thanks moiety 579265;1395710589;BingoBoingo;blackwhite: Vircurex was hacked way back during Winter 2012-Spring 2013 579266;1395710607;blackwhite;yeah 579267;1395710634;TestingUnoDosTre;quick poll here: How long does it take for all of you to type "We were hacked for XX,XXX BTC." 579268;1395710673;moiety;TestingUnoDosTre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6boqUfzUD8 here she is explaining 579269;1395710690;BingoBoingo;blackwhite: In their case the culprit seemed to be Ruby on Rails 579270;1395710785;cazalla;people actually use siri? 579271;1395710791;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.055035 = 0.5504 BTC [-] {3} 579272;1395710864;TestingUnoDosTre;People are ridiculous, no? 579273;1395710974;kakobrekla;<blackwhite> someone would make a killing setting up a 24/7 security company watching over those online wallets < - is this opening asciis parachute after you have hit the ground? 579274;1395710994;blackwhite;? 579275;1395711012;blackwhite;sorry not sure I understand? 579276;1395711018;blackwhite;humor and irony is lost on me 579277;1395711045;Apocalyptic;kako : sounds like it 579278;1395711058;Apocalyptic;blackwhite, when you notice the theft it's already too late 579279;1395711094;blackwhite;yeah sure. But I am pretty sure one of the problems is that they are not looking and monitoring all the time 579280;1395711153;blackwhite;so I am saying setup a company who look for suspicius deals or have a whitelist of larger transactions. (i.e. tell this company when you are going to make larger transactions) 579281;1395711168;radan;can I wager money on mpoe 579282;1395711171;radan;or mpex 579283;1395711187;Apocalyptic;"have a whitelist of larger transactions." what ? 579284;1395711200;Apocalyptic;i'm not sure you get how it works 579285;1395711241;Apocalyptic;and what prevents the theif from withdrawing a lot in small amounts , 579286;1395711380;Mats_cd03;radan: http://bitbet.us/bet/784/s-mpoe-to-rise-above-0-001-before-july http://bitbet.us/bet/790/mpex-to-become-sec-recognized-sro-in-2014/ 579287;1395711405;mircea_popescu;soo 579288;1395711407;radan;what does "trades above 0.001 BTC " mean 579289;1395711407;mircea_popescu;what's new 579290;1395711416;Mats_cd03;per share 579291;1395711420;radan;so like 579292;1395711424;radan;btc instead of dollars 579293;1395711435;ninjashogun;radan ye 579294;1395711440;ninjashogun;btc is a currency 579295;1395711477;ninjashogun;like the way ice cream can cost $0.75 for example, it could cost a certain amount of BTC 0.001 or whatever 579296;1395711502;radan;right 579297;1395711519;radan;so mpoe's had an ipo 579298;1395711524;radan;and people are buying stock in it 579299;1395711525;ninjashogun;yes 579300;1395711527;ninjashogun;exactly 579301;1395711580;radan;wow 579302;1395711585;TestingUnoDosTre;;;whoami 579303;1395711586;gribble;I don't recognize you. 579304;1395711589;mircea_popescu;that was in... 2012 ? 579305;1395711590;radan;the future is now 579306;1395711610;TestingUnoDosTre;no, the future was 2012 579307;1395711646;blackwhite;Apocalyptic i get how it works and nothing prevents them from removing a lot of small amount other than that kind of consitution the same as a large amount. If they have to do it over a month then I would most probably know. 579308;1395711661;blackwhite;constituting even 579309;1395711661;radan;why don't banks do this 579310;1395711665;TestingUnoDosTre;;;whois radan 579311;1395711666;gribble;Error: You don't have the network.whois capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 579312;1395711676;blackwhite;anyway just thinking out loud here. 579313;1395711677;radan;besides that they probably have tons of cash to play around with in usd 579314;1395711752;TestingUnoDosTre;do the mods at bitbet work certain hours of the day, or are they more like round clock rotation type 579315;1395711761;mircea_popescu;sorta round the clock. 579316;1395711806;radan;wow 579317;1395711822;radan;someone bet 600,000 that bitcoin will beat berkshire hathaway 579318;1395711831;radan;maybe they know something we don't 579319;1395711831;TestingUnoDosTre;someone 579320;1395711834;TestingUnoDosTre;lol 579321;1395711841;TestingUnoDosTre;it's called bitcoin 579322;1395711847;MisterE;http://newsbtc.com/2014/03/24/tera-group-forms-legal-framework-bitcoin-swaps/ 579323;1395711851;copumpkin;radan: the someone was the last message before you said that 579324;1395711863;MisterE;Finally someone is making a derivatives market! 579325;1395711872;MisterE;I hope this is the stability we've been looking for 579326;1395711875;radan;oh, cool 579327;1395711889;moiety;i sent someone to bitbet today. i linked them and they still searched google and tried .com. conclusion: some people can't be helped. 579328;1395711909;radan;maybe I should bet .1 btc on that bet 579329;1395711910;mircea_popescu;moiety you ever hook up with that izzy chick ? 579330;1395711921;radan;if I win, then I get 2.8 bitcoin 579331;1395711923;MisterE;my first time to bitbet I hit .com too 579332;1395711924;moiety;doesn't look like she has everre-appeared 579333;1395711928;mircea_popescu;ah 579334;1395711953;moiety;i did think on emailing her, but .. life. 579335;1395711979;radan;but my whole life savings is in btc 579336;1395711988;radan;if I lose .1 btc I'd be down 60 actual dollars 579337;1395711993;radan;hmm 579338;1395711997;mircea_popescu;MisterE you know we had a derivatives market for about two years, and yes it did bring plenty of stability heh 579339;1395712009;*;mircea_popescu contemplates being butthurt 579340;1395712010;radan;I guess it's a better investment than keeping in my wallet doing nothing 579341;1395712032;radan;alright, I'll do it 579342;1395712033;mircea_popescu;bets aren't really investments, they're gambling 579343;1395712039;moiety;;; later tell Izzy_ Do you still need help? 579344;1395712040;gribble;The operation succeeded. 579345;1395712041;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu did you ever trade debt? 579346;1395712060;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, or even default swaps for example? 579347;1395712075;radan;how do I bet on bitbet 579348;1395712088;radan;wait nvm 579349;1395712091;radan;there's a faq 579350;1395712099;moiety;mircea_popescu: http://s18.photobucket.com/user/bobbarker31/media/3280983403_b0e0503945_o.jpg.html 579351;1395712110;MisterE;please retype the internet into IRC for me :p 579352;1395712119;MisterE;what do you mean mircea_popescu ? 579353;1395712120;mircea_popescu;lol 579354;1395712156;TestingUnoDosTre;I wish you could trade default swaps on bitcoin companies... like virtuex 579355;1395712161;Apocalyptic;lol 579356;1395712163;mircea_popescu;MisterE http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-march-2013-statement/ like that. 579357;1395712166;Apocalyptic;that would be nice indeed 579358;1395712168;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: do you know about Master coin ? 579359;1395712173;mircea_popescu;yeah. 579360;1395712182;ninjashogun;so here's a genuine question. 579361;1395712188;duduqa;Have you ever considered creating an alt-channel #bitcoin-assets-stupid for beginners, people with learning disabilities etc like myself? 579362;1395712211;mircea_popescu;this is it. 579363;1395712217;CheckDavid;Any short comments on it mircea_popescu ? 579364;1395712218;CheckDavid;Loool 579365;1395712224;ninjashogun;given that there's no due dilligence that can be done. no contracts that can be enforced. no sec. no proof you're not getting scammed. and every listing on crypto stocks is a scam. and the OPERATOR is a scammer. ......... how is anyone investing? How is the market 'clearing' (bid meets ask) 579366;1395712227;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid it doesn't do much. 579367;1395712234;CheckDavid;Oh I see 579368;1395712251;ninjashogun;duduqa, come to #bitcoin-assets-stupid 579369;1395712262;ninjashogun;I am OP I will give you voice. 579370;1395712267;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre yeah, because the counterparties would be solvent, in that paralel universe where idiots have infinite bitcoins 579371;1395712271;mircea_popescu;to go with their infinite hitpoints 579372;1395712279;CheckDavid;You mean doesn't do much yet. Or it won't do much of anything in the near future? 579373;1395712291;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid what do you expect it to do ? 579374;1395712314;CheckDavid;Issue stocks for example 579375;1395712317;mircea_popescu;nubbins` maybe he meant unexpectedly keel over. 579376;1395712322;CheckDavid;Distribute dividends 579377;1395712326;TestingUnoDosTre;you could sell them in neat little batches with different risk profiles... it would be a paradise 579378;1395712330;ninjashogun;CheckDavid, come to #bitcoins-assets-stupid with me and duduqa 579379;1395712346;CheckDavid;Exchange currencies without risk of scam at the trade level 579380;1395712365;CheckDavid;ninjashogun: go sleep 579381;1395712369;radan;is multibit secure? 579382;1395712370;ninjashogun;lol ok 579383;1395712375;CheckDavid;Haha 579384;1395712396;mircea_popescu;radan more or less 579385;1395712399;ninjashogun;wait I do want an answer to my question above on why anyone would invest in crypto stocks - don't people with money to invest have standards? 579386;1395712405;ninjashogun;given that there's no due dilligence that can be done. no contracts that can be enforced. no sec. no proof you're not getting scammed. and every listing on crypto stocks is a scam. and the OPERATOR is a scammer. ......... how is anyone investing? 579387;1395712407;radan;awesome 579388;1395712411;mircea_popescu;no major issues so far afaik 579389;1395712473;moiety;you just listed reasons why you haven't found investment yourself there ninjashogun 579390;1395712510;BingoBoingo;radan: I prefer 0.5.11 to newer multibit releases 579391;1395712518;kakobrekla;they are not all scam, just most. 579392;1395712521;mircea_popescu;bitcoin decentral accelerate ? srsly ? 579393;1395712527;mircea_popescu;"the world's first" of course. 579394;1395712552;mircea_popescu;who the fuck thought someone wants a mentor they've never met. 579395;1395712560;mircea_popescu;jesus im too old for online 579396;1395712566;ninjashogun;moiety- I have not listed on any crypto stock site. 579397;1395712575;moiety;thats not what i meant 579398;1395712583;ninjashogun;moeity - I was kind of invited by someone - not sure if he's a scammer. (that means he probably is.) 579399;1395712594;ninjashogun;fyrstikken was the person 579400;1395712601;ninjashogun;Do you guys know what he's doing? 579401;1395712633;moiety;lovely for you ninjashogun, invited where? make sure he sees you home like a gentleman 579402;1395712639;MisterE;MP: I see that monthly statement, bummer month, but anyways what am I missing about a derivatives connection? the bonds market? 579403;1395712658;radan;this feels pretty momentous 579404;1395712661;radan;http://s28.postimg.org/54j7713vx/bitcoins.png 579405;1395712661;mircea_popescu;options are derivatives in my book 579406;1395712662;mircea_popescu;not in yours ? 579407;1395712669;copumpkin;o.O 579408;1395712672;ninjashogun;invited to list on his site 579409;1395712678;ninjashogun;forget the link - it has fyrstikken in it 579410;1395712731;ninjashogun;I mean, I forget the name of the link, but it has the term "fyrstikken" in it. 579411;1395712736;ninjashogun;it's a crypto stock link. 579412;1395712761;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yeah, everyone's trying to pass off bucket shop bullshit for "derivatives" 579413;1395712765;mircea_popescu;non deliverable = scam. period. 579414;1395712778;radan;wait a second 579415;1395712780;radan;is bitbet legal 579416;1395712794;MisterE;yea they are but a robust derivatives market is more than options 579417;1395712806;mircea_popescu;MisterE well x.eur is a future. x.idiff are futures 579418;1395712818;ninjashogun;I found the link in my logs. It's http://www.fyrstikken.tv/3993A732-057F-426B-A046-7B44B7ED03D6/Fyrstikken.TV.html 579419;1395712825;ninjashogun;and I was introduced to him explicitly by someone. 579420;1395712827;MisterE;I dont think I'm understanding everything I'm reading there 579421;1395712829;asciilifeform;today's lulz: 579422;1395712830;asciilifeform;http://nsa.gov1.info/dni/2014/nsa-china-military.jpg 579423;1395712830;MisterE;ok 579424;1395712831;ninjashogun;Do any of you know that site? 579425;1395712831;ThickAsThieves;undeliverable isnt the same as non-deliverable 579426;1395712836;mircea_popescu;the various stocks either don't have enough volume or, for the non-mpex crowd, arten't actually stocks, don't even publish statements etc 579427;1395712838;ninjashogun;hi, asciilifeform 579428;1395712841;mircea_popescu;cfds are a long way away 579429;1395712853;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves what difference do yo uhave in mind there ? 579430;1395712873;ThickAsThieves;referring to diff futures etc not being the same as USD btc options 579431;1395712896;mircea_popescu;diff futures are a pain in the butt 579432;1395712909;mircea_popescu;but from what i've seen these people were trying to sell icbit-style "futures" on the usd 579433;1395712916;ThickAsThieves;but one of the futures i know 579434;1395712924;ThickAsThieves;best* 579435;1395712931;mircea_popescu;was the wsj story about diff futures ? 579436;1395712933;ThickAsThieves;love me some diff bets 579437;1395712936;ThickAsThieves;no 579438;1395712950;ThickAsThieves;i dont think so at least 579439;1395712964;ThickAsThieves;there were a few today i didnt read em all 579440;1395712964;radan;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_casino#United_States 579441;1395712965;ozbot;Online casino - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 579442;1395712970;ThickAsThieves;i assumed it was all the same news 579443;1395712971;radan;it's alright 579444;1395712977;TestingUnoDosTre;asciilifeform that is some top secret shit right there 1!! 579445;1395712981;radan;unless you live in nevada you can probably use it, I gather 579446;1395712997;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'd really love to see the chinese files on nato 579447;1395713050;MisterE;ThickAsThieves: you're talking abotu Tera? 579448;1395713070;ThickAsThieves;"The first way is as follows, since 80% of the Icelandic population is on Facebook, Icelandic citizens will be able to claim their coins simply by logging into Facebook through a gateway." 579449;1395713074;ThickAsThieves;MisterE i dunno 579450;1395713087;ThickAsThieves;i mostly forgot about it after i read it 579451;1395713125;ThickAsThieves;i cant respect a btc derivative that doesnt touch btc 579452;1395713141;ThickAsThieves;too dirty 579453;1395713146;mircea_popescu;;;later tell MykelSIlver it makes relatively little difference what software bitbet.us runs, as webserver doesn't really hold coins anywya 579454;1395713146;gribble;The operation succeeded. 579455;1395713178;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: i was actually contemplating just copy pasting the output of current wp in a html file << notrly such a bad idea. 579456;1395713179;ThickAsThieves;it makes a difference if the site can be compromised and depsot addressed get mitm'd 579457;1395713195;ThickAsThieves;deposit* 579458;1395713201;mircea_popescu;well it doesn't run wordpress afaik, but that's no absolute guarantee. 579459;1395713212;ThickAsThieves;wordpress loving to be compromised n all 579460;1395713217;mircea_popescu;concerned parties are advised to send some dust first, that'll verify the address and lock it down 579461;1395713231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00095224 = 18.4735 BTC [-] {2} 579462;1395713243;ThickAsThieves;"The second way for an Icelandic citizen to receive their auroracoins will be through SMS. The person’s cell phone number will then be matched with their National ID number and once verified the user will receive their auroracoins." 579463;1395713252;BingoBoingo;http://gawker.com/judge-joe-brown-arrested-and-jailed-for-contempt-of-cou-1550813313 579464;1395713252;ozbot;Judge Joe Brown Arrested and Jailed for Contempt of Court 579465;1395713268;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay that salt stuff sounds like unintended malleability. 579466;1395713268;gribble;The operation succeeded. 579467;1395713275;MisterE;pretty much everyone I know gets hacked for the first time using WordPress 579468;1395713278;ThickAsThieves;is there a year-long auroracoin bet yet? 579469;1395713285;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo cou, being, of course, ass. in french. so contempt of cou... 579470;1395713305;radan;damn, iceland's pretty smart 579471;1395713312;ThickAsThieves;... 579472;1395713317;MisterE;this is the news I'm talking about ThickAsThieves http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-24/bitcoin-swaps-near-reality-as-tera-group-forms-legal-framework.html 579473;1395713319;radan;this is like giving every man a farm so he can work productively 579474;1395713321;ThickAsThieves;iceland has no part in it radan 579475;1395713327;MisterE;yea I wanted to move to Iceland for long time now 579476;1395713350;ThickAsThieves;it's just some guy sending coins to people 579477;1395713358;ThickAsThieves;an idea of a thing 579478;1395713359;mircea_popescu;~worthless~ coins to peoplke. 579479;1395713373;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, of all of the things to have drawn contempt from, asses might not be that bad 579480;1395713379;radan;I don't think you can, MisterE 579481;1395713417;radan;Iceland's pretty tight on immigration unless you're rich or a refugee 579482;1395713418;MisterE;yea not unless you're Scandanavian resident already 579483;1395713436;MisterE;thats what I found 579484;1395713450;radan;I presume you want to go there because they have a stable society 579485;1395713459;moiety;i like to top comment re judge judy BingoBoingo 579486;1395713460;ThickAsThieves;go to switzerland 579487;1395713463;ThickAsThieves;or canada 579488;1395713468;ThickAsThieves;pretty stable places 579489;1395713475;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00299999 = 0.105 BTC [+] 579490;1395713476;radan;but consider that the reason for this is that everyone shares significant ethnic and cultural bonds you are not privy to 579491;1395713477;MisterE;canada is lost 579492;1395713493;MisterE;and Iceland is on the same track so in retrospect I'm glad I stayed put 579493;1395713501;asciilifeform;mark twain's theorem. 'don't join the club that would let you in.' 579494;1395713502;mircea_popescu;whos judge brown anyway 579495;1395713511;TestingUnoDosTre;If anyone finds a version of that bitcoin swaps article that contains comments about the winklevoss brothers, please send it to me. I read it earlier today and broke out laughing, but I can't find it now :( 579496;1395713519;bones`;My hometown shining star of Reality TV, mircea_popescu 579497;1395713521;ThickAsThieves;a tv judge? 579498;1395713523;ThickAsThieves;yeah 579499;1395713532;ThickAsThieves;like Montel meets Judge Judy 579500;1395713542;bones`;He just gets loud and says catchphrases 579501;1395713563;ThickAsThieves;he looks way cooler with that handlebar stache 579502;1395713582;bones`;He looks like 5 miles of bad road if you ask me 579503;1395713587;radan;alright 579504;1395713588;radan;I did it 579505;1395713603;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He was one of those daytime shows that keep those with nothing to do during the day sated in between ration tickets. 579506;1395713612;TestingUnoDosTre;apparently, he was an actual criminal judge for a county back in the day 579507;1395713619;bones`;Ya my county. :( 579508;1395713636;mircea_popescu;deadweasel finance couldn't be abandoned, i dont think. merely reduced to it's bare bones. 579509;1395713643;TestingUnoDosTre;I would rather my county have a pompous tv personality judge than a real hard ass judge 579510;1395713652;radan;hopefully I won't need to eat those 60 bucks anytime soon 579511;1395713658;mircea_popescu;currently there's one valuable person per bank office : the credits officer. he's the guy that makes the call if lending is a good idea. 579512;1395713668;mircea_popescu;everyone else just pushes paper, does forms and bs. that could be done away with 579513;1395713674;BingoBoingo;Joe Brown is one of those cases of if you stare too deep into the ghetto, you eventually become ghetto 579514;1395713684;mircea_popescu;cut 99.5% of the workforce woreking in a bank, increase salaries for the remainder 10 to 100x 579515;1395713691;mircea_popescu;more inequality, better service. 579516;1395713706;ThickAsThieves;no one goes to banks anymore anyway 579517;1395713715;mircea_popescu;i do actually. 579518;1395713722;radan;consider that the purpose of a business (from a societal, not individual viewpoint) is to keep as many people as busy as possible 579519;1395713723;ThickAsThieves;well me too 579520;1395713724;ThickAsThieves;but 579521;1395713744;ThickAsThieves;i read an article today that says like 30% down or something 579522;1395713747;radan;that's one of the metrics the government likes to use 579523;1395713754;mircea_popescu;well prolly. 579524;1395713757;ThickAsThieves;http://www.buzzfeed.com/matthewzeitlin/more-than-30-of-americans-havent-visited-a-bank-in-last-six 579525;1395713758;ozbot;More Than 30% Of Americans Haven't Visited A Bank In The Last Six Months 579526;1395713769;mircea_popescu;radan government can stand on its head. businessmen decide what business is. 579527;1395713780;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves that may be because they're broke. 579528;1395713794;radan;in a perfect world, yea 579529;1395713818;mircea_popescu;;;later peterl it's not changed since last year. 579530;1395713818;gribble;Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "peterl" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin. 579531;1395713819;asciilifeform;can't speak for others in the land of the sad, but i haven't been inside a bank in ages. 579532;1395713822;mircea_popescu;;;later tell peterl it's not changed since last year. 579533;1395713823;gribble;The operation succeeded. 579534;1395713826;radan;but governments tend to monopolize force 579535;1395713836;asciilifeform;most banks let you deposit cheques by photocopy now 579536;1395713839;ThickAsThieves;also cuz everyone uses credit cards 579537;1395713851;MisterE;lending officers rarely are located in branches anymore 579538;1395713852;radan;and use it like a club to beat on anyone who's not following their "recommendations" 579539;1395713877;MisterE;they mostly rely on computer algorithms and usually give the go ahead from some corporate HQ 579540;1395713895;moiety;i'm only ever in my bank when i need to shout at them for fucking something up 579541;1395713904;MisterE;^ 579542;1395713953;mircea_popescu;i wonder how long before that berkshire bet collects 1k on no side 579543;1395713992;ThickAsThieves;i'm quite happy the Yes bets are so little 579544;1395714024;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20889 @ 0.00095455 = 19.9396 BTC [+] {2} 579545;1395714028;radan;waaaait 579546;1395714030;mircea_popescu;so little ? it's huge 579547;1395714030;ThickAsThieves;since yours 579548;1395714036;radan;I thought betting yes would return 28x 579549;1395714049;radan;it only returns 1x and some change? 579550;1395714057;ThickAsThieves;so few, i shouldve said 579551;1395714083;mircea_popescu;radan you were probably looking at no 579552;1395714086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9088 @ 0.00095652 = 8.6929 BTC [+] {3} 579553;1395714119;radan;:/ 579554;1395714126;radan;trolled by my own reading comprehension 579555;1395714147;ThickAsThieves;yeah i read a bet like 4 or 5 times before sending 579556;1395714159;ThickAsThieves;it's amazing how twist a yes or no bet can be 579557;1395714159;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 579558;1395714164;ThickAsThieves;twisty* 579559;1395714167;mircea_popescu;a good policy is perhaps to never bet the day you discover a bet 579560;1395714195;ThickAsThieves;I have a celendar reminder to review bitbet every 3 days 579561;1395714211;radan;maybe I'll invest the same amount in the other direction to cancel it out 579562;1395714225;duduqa;have you guys seen this: http://www.semana.com/aplicaciones/articulo/peligro-ni-se-le-ocurra-intentar-ganar-plata-con-bitcoin/381503-3 579563;1395714231;mircea_popescu;you don't need the same ammt, read the article about how to cancel 579564;1395714234;duduqa;Colombia to "ban" bitcoin 579565;1395714252;mircea_popescu;duduqa i had no idea colombia actually can ban things. didn't they fail with cocaine ? 579566;1395714277;MisterE;radan: you're the kind of man they give free trips to Vegas to :p 579567;1395714280;duduqa;mircea_popescu: I said "ban" exactly because of that 579568;1395714290;MisterE;betting both sides, the house loves you :) 579569;1395714302;mircea_popescu;:p 579570;1395714320;mircea_popescu;MisterE no actually, betting both sides is the way to play. 579571;1395714326;mircea_popescu;this is mutual not bs. 579572;1395714336;ThickAsThieves;i bet both sides of the berkshire bet 579573;1395714339;ThickAsThieves;how could you not 579574;1395714341;MisterE;what? 579575;1395714351;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/ 579576;1395714351;MisterE;you have a fee so you're always out then 579577;1395714352;ozbot;BitBet - May I suggest 9B difficulty? 579578;1395714355;mircea_popescu;this is actually not so far off 579579;1395714363;mircea_popescu;MisterE you don't understand the weight 579580;1395714370;MisterE;oh there's odds? 579581;1395714377;mircea_popescu;there's weight and implicit odds 579582;1395714383;MisterE;thats understandable then 579583;1395714385;mircea_popescu;you can shave plenty just by watching the bets. 579584;1395714392;MisterE;hmmm 579585;1395714403;mircea_popescu;perfectly legit way to make cash. liquidity providing, as it were. 579586;1395714405;MisterE;I'm afraid to look into it another time sink! 579587;1395714445;mircea_popescu;yeah this isn't for amateurs. raw power, so it requires solid understanding of what's going on. 579588;1395714448;MisterE;the more I hear you guys chatter about it the more likely will though heh 579589;1395714467;benkay;i still don't actually understand how to actually play parimutuel odds 579590;1395714491;MisterE;I do remember briefly reading the site and what exactly a yes or no could mean was very difficult to determine sometimes 579591;1395714497;MisterE;even with the outcome explaination 579592;1395714509;MisterE;explanation* 579593;1395714518;radan;okay 579594;1395714522;radan;.1 on yes 579595;1395714523;moiety;way more fun to learn than say fucking javascript 579596;1395714524;radan;.05 on no 579597;1395714565;MisterE;benkay: I understand that as the first few people who are in share the winnings 579598;1395714567;radan;then I win either way 579599;1395714606;radan;god, this is awesome 579600;1395714610;radan;it's like a license to print money 579601;1395714623;benkay;moiety it can't be that hard to learn to say fucking javascript 579602;1395714638;benkay;pretty sure that's the first thing i learned when i started working with javascript as a matter of fact. 579603;1395714641;benkay;"fucking javascript" 579604;1395714648;MisterE;hah 579605;1395714673;moiety;not hard, just tedious benkay . i think i have the fucking javascript up part totally down 579606;1395714726;benkay;javascript and python feel like guns that just want to point at my feet 579607;1395714755;benkay;i'm out here trying to kill some bison to feed my people and my damn gun just won't stop pointing at my foot 579608;1395714756;mircea_popescu;radan lol enjoy. 579609;1395714761;moiety;python can just go slither away until i have a dev chained to a raditor somewhere 579610;1395714765;duduqa;gotta go, folks, have a goof day/night 579611;1395714765;moiety;radiator* 579612;1395714768;duduqa;good 579613;1395714819;radan;wait 579614;1395714828;radan;let's say the payout for yes on a given bet is 1.5 579615;1395714836;radan;and no's is, say, 20 579616;1395714841;radan;what stops you from betting 1 on yes 579617;1395714845;radan;and .5 on 20 579618;1395714854;radan;then you either make back what you made or win 10 btc 579619;1395714860;radan;*what you spent 579620;1395714877;MisterE;heh http://bitbet.us/bet/790/mpex-to-become-sec-recognized-sro-in-2014/ 579621;1395714957;benkay;radan: you've discovered hedging. 579622;1395714996;mircea_popescu;so now i'm getting spam from mastercoin.org 579623;1395715005;mircea_popescu;i guess that's what killfiles are for, but srsly... 579624;1395715037;moiety;did anjiecast ever come in? 579625;1395715042;mircea_popescu;sure. 579626;1395715085;moiety;what name? how did i miss that :/ 579627;1395715093;mircea_popescu;princessnell 579628;1395715094;radan;actually, that's not possible on any of the bets up right now 579629;1395715095;radan;nvm 579630;1395715099;benkay;i scared her off, moiety 579631;1395715146;moiety;ah, lol i did see that :P 579632;1395715152;radan;unless the bet payouts increase in either direction 579633;1395715164;radan;that can't happen tho 579634;1395715189;Mats_cd03;you don't have to type every thought that comes into your head 579635;1395715212;moiety;it is a big channel, it was perhaps just all the eyes 579636;1395715246;radan;if some newbie reads the log and thinks he can print money based on what I said 10 mins ago, I'd like to help him out by telling him it's impossible 579637;1395715285;mircea_popescu;o, some noobie ? 579638;1395715298;Mats_cd03;lol 579639;1395715320;moiety;i can serve cosmopolitans and offer to burn bras at the door if required 579640;1395715366;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35116 @ 0.00095236 = 33.4431 BTC [-] {5} 579641;1395715382;TestingUnoDosTre;radan, the statement below the calculator is quite important to read "after fees, at current weight and assuming no one else bets" 579642;1395715399;kakobrekla;thats why its grayed out 579643;1395715430;mircea_popescu;lol 579644;1395715434;TestingUnoDosTre;hahahaha 579645;1395715471;TestingUnoDosTre;can you get your honkeys on http://bitbet.us/bet/792/btc-difficulty-increases-to-remain-under-16/ 579646;1395715496;mike_c;everybody is going to get in on that proposed NBA finals bet as soon as it's approved. 579647;1395715513;mike_c;new ATH bitbet 579648;1395715560;MisterE;so you have to shore up your bets as it comes close to closing time for them 579649;1395715629;TestingUnoDosTre;like drop some more BTC on your same bet? what do you mean by shore up 579650;1395715720;radan;what stops people from arming militants or buying drugs with btc 579651;1395715731;radan;besides the low daily convertible volume 579652;1395715759;Mats_cd03;why should anything stop people from those things 579653;1395715772;TestingUnoDosTre;because the phrase BTC was injected, duh 579654;1395715785;radan;so either they do happen 579655;1395715797;moiety;who says it is stopped radan? 579656;1395715807;radan;or the kind of people who do that kind of stuff don't know about bitcoin 579657;1395715812;radan;hmm 579658;1395715818;moiety;fed bought abrin off a teenager with btc 579659;1395715826;TestingUnoDosTre;abrin? 579660;1395715838;moiety;a toxin like ricin 579661;1395715839;TestingUnoDosTre;oh nevermind, read that article 579662;1395715859;TestingUnoDosTre;some kids are just... stupid 579663;1395715877;moiety;point is they can be stupid using fiat or btc, it's not the issue 579664;1395715889;the20year;How goes it? 579665;1395715890;MisterE;substitue "cash" for BTC 579666;1395715892;MisterE;same saem 579667;1395715908;MisterE;people buy drugs not BTC 579668;1395716046;moiety;drug related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odEiLWJYBL4&feature=youtu.be also bonus bears 579669;1395716052;radan;bitcoin should start accepting bitcoin 579670;1395716058;radan;*al qaeda 579671;1395716069;radan;or maybe they already do 579672;1395716078;radan;but only the saudis know what address they use :/ 579673;1395716114;TestingUnoDosTre;corrupt us politicians should start accepting bitcoin, or maybe they already do 579674;1395716150;radan;oooh 579675;1395716154;TestingUnoDosTre;would love to see a superPAC funded by a BTC donation... 579676;1395716166;TomServo;.d 579677;1395716166;ozbot;5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1987 blocks | Estimated Change: 49.6388% in 6d 22h 30m 43s 579678;1395716192;moiety;that video is actually circulating with fake subs re Fred Pherlps death 579679;1395716196;radan;the potential of all this is only just now dawning on me 579680;1395716197;moiety;Phelps* 579681;1395716263;benkay;lol radan 579682;1395716271;TestingUnoDosTre;radan, have you not pondered much on the real world before? 579683;1395716282;benkay;give it a year, the mindfucks slow down eventually but don't stop. 579684;1395716289;moiety;lol 579685;1395716295;benkay;you don't even have to wrap your head around the monster that was mpoe. 579686;1395716325;mircea_popescu;le minfuques 579687;1395716332;benkay;that's not french! 579688;1395716345;mircea_popescu;then why do you think i have this outrageous accent 579689;1395716351;mircea_popescu;you silly beenquey 579690;1395716364;benkay;you're simply outrageous, mircea_popescu 579691;1395716369;mircea_popescu;no 579692;1395716370;mircea_popescu;no i am no 579693;1395716373;benkay;murcha popaskew 579694;1395716375;mircea_popescu;no no no i am 579695;1395716376;mircea_popescu;yes i am. 579696;1395716400;mircea_popescu;;;google are you the simply outrageous brain specialist 579697;1395716400;gribble;You'll have to answer these outrageous interview ... - GeekWire: <http://www.geekwire.com/2014/top-interview-questions-2014/>; Husband: Pregnant, brain-dead wife wouldn't want to be on life ...: <http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/15/justice/pregnant-life-support-texas/>; Why does modern medicine throw out our brains? - Outrageous ...: <http://www.outrageousfortune.net/2012/03/does- (1 more message) 579698;1395716403;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33217 @ 0.00094812 = 31.4937 BTC [-] {4} 579699;1395716464;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00094794 = 17.8687 BTC [-] 579700;1395716803;mike_c;the20year: how's business? any new houses? 579701;1395716853;moiety;has anyone here used Subversion? 579702;1395716863;mike_c;probably lots (including me) 579703;1395716872;Apocalyptic;you should rather use git 579704;1395716956;moiety;its specifically for giving remote ssh access to one domain only rather than the whole hosting account. i can use git for that? 579705;1395717014;moiety;oh ofc nvm 579706;1395717029;moiety;whats wrong with subversion? 579707;1395717045;mike_c;nothing. just centralized vs. decentralized git/mercurial. 579708;1395717066;Apocalyptic;mike_c, also the fact that svn handles branches awfully 579709;1395717078;mike_c;well, mercurial can't do shallow clones. 579710;1395717096;mike_c;so there! :) 579711;1395717193;MisterE;git > svn 579712;1395717202;Apocalyptic;^ 579713;1395717204;the20year;mike_c: i'm not sure where hte last update was here. We have 6 total properties either purchased or in contract. closed on #4 today, supposed to close on #5 any day now. #6 closes the 7th of next month 579714;1395717222;mike_c;planning on more purchases? 579715;1395717231;moiety;i thought i always wanted decentralized on everything? 579716;1395717252;mike_c;i think you can build source control into an altcoin. 579717;1395717269;the20year;Yeah, definately. really would like to do a flip here soon but i don't have a any good candidates for that right now. Got a few duplexes I'm looking at, one is $27k the other is $39.9k 579718;1395717284;mike_c;the20year: and congrats on 6. the ipo was helpful then? 579719;1395717311;mike_c;wow, duplex for 27. 579720;1395717341;Apocalyptic;the20year, where are you buying these flats ? 579721;1395717378;the20year;Central Ohio 579722;1395717397;the20year;Yes, very helpful , we've got a few great announcements coming up. Still have 100ish BTC left in reserves for another property 579723;1395717417;the20year;One of the candidates we barely miss was just re-listed. They bought it for $52k, I imagine put $10k or less in it and have it on the market for $119k 579724;1395717444;mike_c;i'll take the duplex for 27. 579725;1395717493;the20year;I have to take a look at it, we might be able to get it for $20k or so. they bought it in 2006 and managed it quite poorly. tenant burnt down a garage and they gave it up 579726;1395717502;the20year;Well , gave up on being a landlord 579727;1395717523;KRS-One;why 579728;1395717523;mike_c;having your garage burnt down could do that :) 579729;1395717533;the20year;I'm gonna bet they didn't carry insurance 579730;1395717557;the20year;We on the otherhand carry half a million dollars on each property, and then are applying for a $2m-$3m blanket for the company itself 579731;1395717579;benkay;!t h rent 579732;1395717580;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525000 / 0.00557689 / 0.00563480 (119 shares, 0.66365036 BTC), 7D: 0.00520000 / 0.00543286 / 0.00568460 (2290 shares, 12.44126039 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00555894 / 0.00900001 (50160 shares, 278.83621664 BTC) 579733;1395717603;the20year;Well , it's half a mill per occupant, then premises of no less than 80%. best thing on earth would be for a house to be burnt to the ground without anyone hurt :D it's amazing to me how much they insure our properties for 579734;1395717603;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 579735;1395717622;the20year;The property we just bought for $70k has a rebuild value of something like $275k 579736;1395717668;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves check it out, this dood would like to make a bet provided mpoe-pr doesn't pay for it in bitcoin and she agrees that no bet can be made. 579737;1395717671;mircea_popescu;these people. 579738;1395717689;benkay;interesting how RENT performs as it converts its BTC-denominated assets to USD-denominated assets. 579739;1395718004;the20year;and thankfully over all this volatility we've cashed out at higher BTC:USD values 579740;1395718047;rithm;bets on tops of bets!?!?! 579741;1395718104;nubbins`;just finished watching Contact 579742;1395718105;benkay;mircea_popescu: link? 579743;1395718111;nubbins`;not bad 579744;1395718115;mircea_popescu;bets of bets of beets 579745;1395718128;benkay;beetcoin 579746;1395718131;rithm;beets stain my teeth 579747;1395718132;mircea_popescu;benkay same ol, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520882.msg5873896#msg5873896 579748;1395718132;benkay;it's purple! 579749;1395718163;mircea_popescu;but on the heels of the jimmothy O I BET YOU !!11 10 bitcents!11 579750;1395718168;mircea_popescu;kinda lulzy 579751;1395718195;mircea_popescu;o yeah, and he wanted odds. 579752;1395718237;chetty;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-24/poland-quietly-mobilizing-its-army-reservists 579753;1395718239;ozbot;Poland Is Quietly Mobilizing Its Army Reservists | Zero Hedge 579754;1395718241;mircea_popescu;roughly the equivalent of mpoe-pr going tyre kicking around berkshire with stuff like "o this is a good investment you bigmouth ?!?! what sort of odds do you give bitcoi nbeats you ? 100:1 ? " 579755;1395718338;MisterE_;good movie nubbins` 579756;1395718356;MisterE_;sugar beets are good for all kinds of stuff 579757;1395718403;the20year;i thought they began mobilization last week 579758;1395718404;MisterE;what will Romania do if fighting breaks out in the Ukraine with Crimea? 579759;1395718417;mircea_popescu;probably nothing 579760;1395718426;MisterE;I guess nobody will do nothing without EU / nato 579761;1395718438;mircea_popescu;romania doesn't give a shit, as a general policy 579762;1395718467;Apocalyptic;inb4 Russian army in timisoara 579763;1395718468;the20year;invade moldova? 579764;1395718482;mircea_popescu;nah 579765;1395718490;the20year;poland has 500k+ in reserve, mobilizing 7k for practice doesn't seem too huge to me 579766;1395718493;mircea_popescu;there's a us base in constanta, which i guess the us will have to defend 579767;1395718501;mircea_popescu;and the russians probably don't want to get aywya 579768;1395718521;mircea_popescu;and i very much doubt romania cxan be bothered ot invade either moldova or cernauti 579769;1395718599;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 966 @ 0.00299999 = 2.898 BTC [+] {2} 579770;1395718697;chetty;this may be the war where everyone stayed home 579771;1395718758;mircea_popescu;they should prolly make a russian and us eve team 579772;1395718761;mircea_popescu;and have at it. 579773;1395718811;mircea_popescu;;;prevdiffchange 579774;1395718814;gribble;17.80244 579775;1395718843;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20138 @ 0.00094797 = 19.0902 BTC [+] 579776;1395718843;the20year;what movie was that the basis of? 579777;1395718850;the20year;1 on 1 robot wars to settle boundary disputes? 579778;1395718956;mircea_popescu;i think a bunch of different ones 579779;1395718965;mircea_popescu;.d 579780;1395718965;ozbot;5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1984 blocks | Estimated Change: 31.0849% in 9d 11h 40m 22s 579781;1395718977;benkay;robo combat's a bit of a trope at this point, the20year 579782;1395718980;the20year;Robot jox 579783;1395719059;MisterE;Pacific Rim was forgettable 579784;1395719068;MisterE;which is too bad 579785;1395719216;nubbins`;heard it's a piece of shit 579786;1395719244;nubbins`;trying to choose between wall street, glengarry glen ross, episode 1 of new cosmos, or bed 579787;1395719328;mike_c;always glengarry glen ross 579788;1395719329;ThickAsThieves;cosmos will put you to bed fo sho 579789;1395719341;the20year;where is the new cosmos 579790;1395719365;Apocalyptic;<nubbins`> heard it's a piece of shit << it's way worse actually 579791;1395719396;ThickAsThieves;pacific rim was more entertaining than cosmos ep1 579792;1395719410;ThickAsThieves;i watched gravity last night, that was actually pretty good 579793;1395719425;joecool;i should cop that 579794;1395719427;ThickAsThieves;it is what you think it is, but somehow it doesnt suck 579795;1395719461;MisterE;glengarry glen ross++ 579796;1395719472;ThickAsThieves;if you have netflix, watch pontypool 579797;1395719484;ThickAsThieves;that's a cool one 579798;1395719489;nubbins`;saw it 579799;1395719495;nubbins`;that's the audio virus whatsit? 579800;1395719498;ThickAsThieves;yeah 579801;1395719499;*;nubbins` nods 579802;1395719510;nubbins`;cool idea 579803;1395719513;nubbins`;reminded me of snowcrash 579804;1395719523;nubbins`;but without the statutory rape 579805;1395719549;MisterE;uhh this? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1226681/ 579806;1395719595;ThickAsThieves;Safety Not Guaranteed wasnt bad 579807;1395719641;ThickAsThieves;Teeth is fun 579808;1395719651;ThickAsThieves;vagina dentata! 579809;1395719674;nubbins`;MisterE yep 579810;1395719677;nubbins`;canadiana 579811;1395719681;MisterE;ok wow 579812;1395719706;MisterE;horror / thriller is not usually a genre I consider 579813;1395719710;ThickAsThieves;if you havent seen Primer already, thats good 579814;1395719745;ThickAsThieves;Frozen (not the animated one) 579815;1395719771;ThickAsThieves;oh, The Signal 579816;1395719775;ThickAsThieves;The Corridor 579817;1395719788;ThickAsThieves;(i'm viewing my netflix rated section) 579818;1395719822;ThickAsThieves;i happen to like the Cube movies 579819;1395719845;ThickAsThieves;Shiver 579820;1395719893;ThickAsThieves;if you want scary japanese shit, 3 Extremes 579821;1395719924;cazalla;the scene in Frozen with the wolves, zomg 579822;1395719939;cazalla;oh wait, that is something else 579823;1395719940;MisterE;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2910814/ this The Signal or 2007? 579824;1395719941;ozbot;The Signal (2014) - IMDb 579825;1395719965;ThickAsThieves;cazalla thats the one 579826;1395719969;ThickAsThieves;so good 579827;1395719982;cazalla;oh, there is a 2012 movie with the same name 579828;1395719985;ThickAsThieves;Pi 579829;1395719987;ThickAsThieves;Skew 579830;1395719993;cazalla;and yes, Safety Not Guaranteed was great imo 579831;1395720002;cazalla;i thought it was going to be shit but it was a pleasant surprise 579832;1395720009;ThickAsThieves;Pan's Labyrinth 579833;1395720047;ThickAsThieves;Battle Royale for more japanese 579834;1395720063;ThickAsThieves;Attack on Titan for some anime 579835;1395720080;nubbins`;http://imgur.com/4JXlTkw 579836;1395720081;ozbot;My squash has developed an new defense mechanism - Imgur 579837;1395720082;nubbins`;^ oh fuck 579838;1395720103;ThickAsThieves;nice 579839;1395720106;nubbins`;the first cube movie was good (though poorly acted). rest of em were pretty meh 579840;1395720118;ThickAsThieves;i agree, but i'll watch every single one 579841;1395720124;ThickAsThieves;they can make 10 of em 579842;1395720143;nubbins`;cube -5: in the beginning 579843;1395720164;nubbins`;cube 3.14159265358979323846: sphere 579844;1395720175;nubbins`;i think that last one is a 6, anyway 579845;1395720178;nubbins`;been a while 579846;1395720182;ThickAsThieves;there are some great british limite dseries 579847;1395720187;ThickAsThieves;like The Fades 579848;1395720194;nubbins`;watching the bletchley circle now 579849;1395720200;ThickAsThieves;they had HyperCube 579850;1395720202;nubbins`;nod 579851;1395720211;nubbins`;that was the one that was all white? 579852;1395720211;Apocalyptic;ThickAsThieves, have you seen Black Mirror ? 579853;1395720229;ThickAsThieves;not sure lemme look it up 579854;1395720254;ThickAsThieves;i havent 579855;1395720269;ThickAsThieves;i already like it from the promo picture 579856;1395720298;nubbins`;so silvergoldbull (canadian bullion dealer) now accepts btc, but i can't figure out where they're getting their rates from 579857;1395720368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00095478 = 14.99 BTC [+] 579858;1395720369;Apocalyptic;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2085059/ just watch it 579859;1395720389;MisterE;ohh looks good 579860;1395720404;MisterE;is this the frozen that doesn't suck? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0376606/ 579861;1395720410;ThickAsThieves;no 579862;1395720414;MisterE;looks like there could be suckage 579863;1395720422;ThickAsThieves;the cover is a ski lift at night 579864;1395720435;MisterE;this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1323045/ 579865;1395720438;MisterE;ok 579866;1395720467;ThickAsThieves;just keep in mind i like really creepy shit 579867;1395720478;nubbins`;scary 579868;1395720481;ThickAsThieves;so if you get nightmares dont listen to me 579869;1395720503;nubbins`;ever see funny games? the 1997 one? 579870;1395720508;ThickAsThieves;nope 579871;1395720527;nubbins`;put it on your list, it's fucked 579872;1395720551;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00095253 = 14.9547 BTC [-] 579873;1395720553;nubbins`;buddy of mine is a big horror/creepshow buff, threw it on for me once 579874;1395720564;nubbins`;really intense 579875;1395720567;ThickAsThieves;i think it all started with creep show for me 579876;1395720576;nubbins`;they remade it (the original is austrian) but i've only seen the original 579877;1395720622;ThickAsThieves;the only movies so far that creep me out to turning them off are japanese though 579878;1395720628;ThickAsThieves;they are fucked up people man 579879;1395720680;ThickAsThieves;i like when jiggly butt girl is there to greet me at kat.ph 579880;1395720714;nubbins`;our women are tired of boys, they want men 579881;1395720740;nubbins`;the real fuckbook is back 579882;1395720748;ThickAsThieves;your wife will never find out! 579883;1395720750;nubbins`;i can only assume people click on them, but i'm not sure why 579884;1395720771;nubbins`;our site has too many hot women, men join for free 579885;1395720781;nubbins`;^ what a problem to have, hey? 579886;1395720814;nubbins`;"man this sucks, all of our users are young wet hotties. we need some dick up in here" 579887;1395720837;ThickAsThieves;yet no one is buying the real fuckbook for $1bn 579888;1395720844;ThickAsThieves;this world... 579889;1395720856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.003 = 0.15 BTC [-] 579890;1395720889;nubbins`;TANJ 579891;1395720894;nubbins`;hm, i wonder 579892;1395720897;nubbins`;;;ud tanj 579893;1395720897;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TANJ | TANJ. Expletive. Acronym for "There Ain't No Justice." Used like "damn" Also: tangit, tanjing, and other variations. Accredited to Larry Niven. TANJ! I left the oven ... 579894;1395720898;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: TANJ 579895;1395720900;*;nubbins` nods 579896;1395720929;nubbins`;k, gonna try wall street. wish me wakefulness, it's late 579897;1395721100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.003 = 0.3 BTC [-] {2} 579898;1395721364;ThickAsThieves;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP7tKS74H7I 579899;1395721364;ozbot;Alleged Silk Road Founder's Mother Speaks Out - YouTube 579900;1395721650;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00095478 = 6.1106 BTC [+] 579901;1395721788;MisterE;Tales From The Crypt++ 579902;1395722747;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.62303029 = 6.2303 BTC [-] {7} 579903;1395722808;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 271 @ 0.00314258 = 0.8516 BTC [+] {7} 579904;1395722991;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.0031988 = 0.3359 BTC [+] 579905;1395723540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.00553475 = 0.1384 BTC [-] 579906;1395723967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8063 @ 0.00095253 = 7.6802 BTC [-] 579907;1395724494;benkay;http://www.theverge.com/culture/2014/3/19/5475122/dark-arts-tumblr-cyberpunk-renaissance 579908;1395724494;ozbot;Dark Arts | The Verge 579909;1395725374;VanCleef;so Putin opened a new account at Rossiya and his monthly salary to be transferred there instead. lolz obama pwnd 579910;1395726139;MisterE;Obama is so impotent 579911;1395726146;MisterE;it's great to see for a change 579912;1395726163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00094943 = 5.8865 BTC [-] 579913;1395726342;benkay;http://fffff.at/gerry-images/ 579914;1395726343;ozbot;Gerry Images | F.A.T. 579915;1395726896;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0675 = 0.27 BTC [+] 579916;1395726956;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00095059 = 4.5628 BTC [+] 579917;1395728176;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.61549767 = 11.079 BTC [-] {8} 579918;1395728516;chetty;http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/24/barack-obama-visit-brussels-cost-belgium-10m 579919;1395728557;chetty;they should revoke the guys passport 579920;1395728729;MisterE;no person is worth that much 579921;1395728742;MisterE;imagine if it was a black woman chetty :p 579922;1395728773;chetty;well she is in china, also causing much trouble 579923;1395728821;MisterE;http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/20/obama-ladies-touch-down-china-amid-taxpaid-trip-up/ 579924;1395728822;ozbot;Obama ladies touch down in China amid taxpayer uproar - Washington Times 579925;1395728825;MisterE;heh you're on it 579926;1395730033;MisterE;Hmm wonder if Barbarians at the gate is any good 579927;1395730262;chetty;http://asset-a.soup.io/asset/7046/5069_adb6_500.jpeg 579928;1395730489;MisterE;^ Found in Iraq 579929;1395730738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00631877 = 0.3159 BTC [+] 579930;1395730799;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05974999 = 0.1195 BTC [-] 579931;1395731287;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13887 @ 0.00095236 = 13.2254 BTC [+] {3} 579932;1395732690;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7632 @ 0.00095632 = 7.2986 BTC [+] 579933;1395733830;KRS-One;.bait 579934;1395733831;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/5590643ce9e35b484ba42398fdb42137/tumblr_mf6zjdciKc1qdheiuo1_500.jpg 579935;1395733843;*;KRS-One kicks ozbot. 579936;1395733855;*;KRS-One shakes ozbot. 579937;1395733867;*;KRS-One reboots ozbot. 579938;1395734093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-] 579939;1395734337;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00095594 = 9.2726 BTC [-] 579940;1395734642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00095632 = 10.0414 BTC [+] 579941;1395734764;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.0699999 = 0.98 BTC [+] {4} 579942;1395737738;lnostdal;password needed for the site? ( http://bitcoin-assets.com/ ) 579943;1395739315;chetty;Inostdal: you should be able to go right to the logs with the topic links 579944;1395740132;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105 @ 0.00095594 = 0.1004 BTC [-] 579945;1395740986;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6451 = 4.5157 BTC [+] {2} 579946;1395741047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1590 @ 0.00300019 = 4.7703 BTC [-] {6} 579947;1395741352;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00094931 = 20.1254 BTC [-] {2} 579948;1395741367;B007;is everyone asleep 579949;1395741413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MG] 1000 @ 0.000154 = 0.154 BTC [+] 579950;1395741413;assbot;[MPEX] [S.NSA] 1000 @ 0.000156 = 0.156 BTC [+] 579951;1395742084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05550002 = 0.222 BTC [-] {3} 579952;1395742085;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [-] {3} 579953;1395742086;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] {3} 579954;1395742108;mircea_popescu;ya kakobrekla one nao needs pw for http://bitcoin-assets.com/ ? 579955;1395742136;mircea_popescu;lnostdal http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ seems to still work 579956;1395742694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.0031 = 0.3007 BTC [+] 579957;1395742816;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00095148 = 19.3626 BTC [+] {2} 579958;1395743121;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00631877 = 0.3159 BTC [+] 579959;1395743182;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00095622 = 5.2114 BTC [+] {2} 579960;1395743245;B007;good morning 579961;1395743255;mircea_popescu;hi 579962;1395743262;B007;sleep well? 579963;1395743293;mircea_popescu;not bad 579964;1395744296;davout;mircea_popescu: admin//twocansandastring42 579965;1395745193;cazalla;;;seen tiberiusiv 579966;1395745194;gribble;tiberiusiv was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 46 weeks, 0 days, 11 hours, 30 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <tiberiusiv> you cant read english paragraphs 579967;1395745201;cazalla;ok, so he gave up 579968;1395745512;B007;http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=bitcoin 579969;1395745513;ozbot;Google Trends 579970;1395745514;jurov;cazalla he leveled through tiberiusv up to tiberiusxi 579971;1395745521;jurov;and then he prolly gave up 579972;1395745532;jurov;;;seen tiberiusxi 579973;1395745532;gribble;I have not seen tiberiusxi. 579974;1395745535;jurov;;;seen tiberiusxii 579975;1395745535;gribble;I have not seen tiberiusxii. 579976;1395745538;jurov;;;seen tiberiusv 579977;1395745538;gribble;I have not seen tiberiusv. 579978;1395745549;jurov;or i remember badly? 579979;1395745591;mircea_popescu;davout hm ? 579980;1395746072;davout;mircea_popescu: "ya kakobrekla one nao needs pw for http://bitcoin-assets.com/ ?" 579981;1395746250;mircea_popescu;a haha 579982;1395746253;mircea_popescu;poor guy 579983;1395746261;mircea_popescu;one small akismet and that's it 579984;1395746354;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12922 @ 0.00095235 = 12.3063 BTC [-] 579985;1395746535;B007;seems that price follows interest 579986;1395746616;mircea_popescu;seems so. 579987;1395747409;VanCleef;neat - 579988;1395747414;VanCleef;Is Russia ready to cut up its plastic? After Visa and MasterCard stopped processing some Russian transactions in response to U.S. sanctions, Moscow says it could launch a homegrown payment system that could be ready in as little as six months 579989;1395748401;blackwhite;morning guys 579990;1395748489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00095235 = 4.2856 BTC [-] 579991;1395748578;Diablo-D3;VanCleef: putincoin. 579992;1395748611;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0031 = 0.155 BTC [+] 579993;1395749587;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07098998 = 1.1358 BTC [+] {2} 579994;1395749831;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07007857 = 1.9622 BTC [-] {2} 579995;1395749892;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07 = 1.54 BTC [-] 579996;1395750981;nubbins`;http://bitbet.us/bet/791/s-mg-above-2x-par-on-october-1st-2014/ 579997;1395750983;ozbot;BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014 579998;1395750985;nubbins`;getting juicier 579999;1395751409;mircea_popescu;$vwap s.mg 580000;1395751410;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: S.MG 1 day: average: 0.000154 high: 0.000154 low: 0.000154 volume: 1050 btc: 0.1617 7 day: average: 0.00011355 high: 0.000154 low: 0.00010001 volume: 8050 btc: 0.9140788 30 day: average: 0.0001282 high: 0.000154 low: 0.00010001 volume: 13282 btc: 1.7026868 580001;1395751424;mircea_popescu;month's volume is 1.7btc tho. someone could easily manipulate it 580002;1395751441;jurov;hopefully it will ship before october 580003;1395751444;mircea_popescu;Assuming that insight will work with people who are unmotivated to change is a colossal misunderstanding." 580004;1395751449;jurov;and volume goes up then 580005;1395751465;Neil;mircea_popescu: MisterE no actually, betting both sides is the way to play. << I think, judging from the public histories on bitbet, that this is very poor advice. It seems that waiting pays; I think bitbet probably needs harsher time decay than linear. 580006;1395751500;mircea_popescu;Neil seriously ? got any data to support this ? 580007;1395751503;jurov;Neil, example? 580008;1395751516;Neil;Which part? One at a time. 580009;1395751531;jurov;"waiting pays" 580010;1395751534;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as we're asking the same thing lol, youcan do both at a time 580011;1395751550;mircea_popescu;poor advice/waiting pays/harsher than linear. pick one. 580012;1395751566;Neil;I haven't seen a single example of anyone (same output address) betting on bitbet making money. There are numerous examples to the contrary. 580013;1395751575;Neil;excuse me 580014;1395751575;mircea_popescu;o.o 580015;1395751577;Neil;betting both ways 580016;1395751592;mircea_popescu;this seems completely irrelevant to the discussion 580017;1395751604;Neil;Well that's 1 out of 2. So 50% sofar 580018;1395751614;Neil;50% isn't normally considered irrelevant 580019;1395751615;mircea_popescu;much akin to saying "i've never seen anyone in a green tshirt depositing more money in the bank than they were taking out" 580020;1395751628;Neil;OK, evidence to the contrary? 580021;1395751640;mircea_popescu;evidence to the contrary of an unsupported thesis is not necessary. 580022;1395751652;Neil;I rest my case. 580023;1395751665;mircea_popescu;but i'm just saying, "same address" is an irrelevant selection here. 580024;1395751683;Mats_cd03;the burden of evidence lies on the individual making the claim 580025;1395751691;chetty;would you use the same address to bet both sides? 580026;1395751693;Neil;Adn the 8BTC bet at the last minute of the "16% bet" just in the last 24 hrs supports my other claim of "betting at the last minute, under linear decay, pays". 580027;1395751703;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: that's the gamble. someone with pocket change could swing it either way 580028;1395751707;mircea_popescu;Neil that's an outlier. 580029;1395751713;Neil;So I happily await a refutation. 580030;1395751726;mircea_popescu;obviously in a case where a 3 month bet was resolved in 4 days waiting pays o.O 580031;1395751739;mircea_popescu;just as long as you don't wait more than 4 days 580032;1395751765;Neil;mircea_popescu: Are you claiming some fudge for the first 4 days would fix it? You're smarter than that. 580033;1395751782;mircea_popescu;no lol. i'm claiming that on the basis of picking some outliers you can't make general statements. 580034;1395751804;mircea_popescu;"footwear should be made to support taller women because you should see this swede i'm dating" 580035;1395751834;jurov;Neil that exact case would require manual intervention "o difficulty prediction is > 16% ? drop the weight sharply" 580036;1395751836;Neil;I'll just say that, watching bitbet for a while, as I have, I feel waiting pays. It is my belief that it would benefit from faster decay. 580037;1395751854;mircea_popescu;ok but it helps if you bolster that authority claim with actual data 580038;1395751858;jurov;such meddling would be insane 580039;1395751869;mircea_popescu;"on this set of 100 consecutive bets, the results for X behaviour are .1 and for Y behaviour are .04" 580040;1395751871;mircea_popescu;that works. 580041;1395751917;Neil;http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ 580042;1395751918;ozbot;BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD 580043;1395751919;mircea_popescu;it helps even more if you publish your method along the dataset, then op can apply it to other sets see if behaviour converges 580044;1395751925;mircea_popescu;and so we're doing research rather than derpage. 580045;1395751949;Neil;I am willing to bet an insane amount that 1K4Fs will lose on his two-way bet. And big-time. 580046;1395751964;mircea_popescu;so... bet it ? 580047;1395751965;Neil;It doesn't really matter how the chips land. 580048;1395751969;nubbins`;^^ 580049;1395751973;mircea_popescu;derivative bets. ftw. 580050;1395751978;Neil;mircea_popescu: Don't be daft. One can't take the opposite of his bet. 580051;1395751986;mircea_popescu;nono, you can make a derivative bet. 580052;1395751988;nubbins`;The bet resolves as YES if 1K4Fs will lose on his two-way bet 580053;1395752025;Neil;He paid a 1 BTC gratiuity to bitbet to let later bettors enjoy some free beers. 580054;1395752027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.068 = 0.136 BTC [+] 580055;1395752063;mircea_popescu;;;calc 99886*57.00000000/7186081 * 367.70 580056;1395752063;gribble;291.327176162 580057;1395752076;mircea_popescu;unless i'm doing this badly, should the bet come out as yes he's making ~300 btc 580058;1395752096;Neil;mircea_popescu: A big, and time-dependent, "if". 580059;1395752100;mircea_popescu;uh 580060;1395752117;Neil;Let's wait and see. I'm quite happy to do so. 580061;1395752131;mircea_popescu;but it reduces to his either winning or losing the bet 580062;1395752137;mircea_popescu;which... i have no idea what that's supposed to prove ? 580063;1395752140;chetty;isn't IF what betting is all about? 580064;1395752148;Neil;I don't think it matters what happens. No way is he winning 100 BTC. 580065;1395752168;mircea_popescu;;;calc 99886*42.00000000/28156083 * 74.78 580066;1395752168;gribble;11.1421021653 580067;1395752183;Neil;(initial stake) 580068;1395752192;mircea_popescu;so he's bet 99 btc, is insured for 11 btc (currently) and stands to gain 291 currently. 580069;1395752220;mircea_popescu;this seems reasonably ok. and if more people gang on yes, his 291 diminishes but his insurance increases 580070;1395752265;mircea_popescu;suppose there's a 500 btc bet on yes 580071;1395752266;Neil;Is it Atoi or something similar has done similar both-way bets on bitbet quite a lot? Each one lost, which is to be expected, given my claim that waiting pays. 580072;1395752292;mircea_popescu;but this is neither here nor there, much like the green shirt in bank thing 580073;1395752312;mircea_popescu;you can select any arbitrary pair of yes/no bets and pretend they're made by the same person 580074;1395752316;mircea_popescu;for all you know, this is actually true. 580075;1395752317;nubbins`;The bet resolves as YES if the man in the bank is wearing a green shirt 580076;1395752343;Neil;mircea_popescu: Given your stake in the process I don't expect you to agree with me. But I think the facts speak for themselves. If someone believes 2-way betting pays they're welcome to continue doing it. 580077;1395752366;mircea_popescu;the trouble is that i'm not disagreeing with you, i'm discussing those facts. 580078;1395752376;mircea_popescu;and it'd seem they're not really that factual. 580079;1395752390;mircea_popescu;but this aside : why would you figure my stake would *prevent* me from agreeing with the facts ? 580080;1395752392;Neil;OK. One example to the contrary will suffice. Happy to post 1 example to support my position. 580081;1395752395;mircea_popescu;seems logically the other way around 580082;1395752406;VanCleef;erm i thought rockminer was ipoing tomorrow noon china time and they just announce that the ipo is already over and all shares have sold 580083;1395752410;VanCleef;what a load of bs 580084;1395752423;Mats_cd03;lol 580085;1395752436;mircea_popescu;Neil are you aware that the house wins on some bets ? 580086;1395752476;Neil;mircea_popescu: But of course. I'm not stupid. The 16% is a good example: the house wins the more people rationally take all that is available "for (near) free". 580087;1395752486;mircea_popescu;nono you don't take my meaning 580088;1395752493;mircea_popescu;the house bets BOTH SIDES on ALL BETS 580089;1395752494;Neil;When everyone scraps over the leftovers the house takes the fee. 580090;1395752504;mircea_popescu;during some months it comes AHEAD, which means the dual-betting system actually works. 580091;1395752515;Neil;Yeah that just gets it started, and one is given to the bet originator, so it's not the house really. 580092;1395752516;mircea_popescu;this is a larger dataset than one example. 580093;1395752527;mircea_popescu;this hardly weakens my point... 580094;1395752527;Mats_cd03;i just read the copy on rockminer.com 580095;1395752536;Neil;50% doesn't weaken the point? OK. 580096;1395752541;mircea_popescu;it would win EVEN MORE if it kept both sides. 580097;1395752542;mircea_popescu;duh? 580098;1395752556;Mats_cd03;dude can handle running a bidness but cant hire a fluent english speaker 580099;1395752574;VanCleef;just another scam 580100;1395752596;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 spam is not misspelled because the spammers can't hire editors. spam is misspelled because that selects for idiots, and they are looking for idiots (false positives are very expensive for them) 580101;1395752598;Neil;mircea_popescu: I'm still waiting for your counterexample to my claim. 580102;1395752607;Mats_cd03;or pay attention in english class, apparently 580103;1395752618;Mats_cd03;you may be right mircea_popescu 580104;1395752629;mircea_popescu;i think you'll have to re-read this later because i can't produce examples if you randomly reject examples. 580105;1395752640;VanCleef;http://gadgets.ndtv.com/internet/news/first-bitcoin-derivative-announced-by-tera-exchange-499997 580106;1395752642;ozbot;First Bitcoin derivative announced by Tera Exchange | NDTV Gadgets 580107;1395752646;Neil;I don't have anything against bitbet. I like the site. Just saying it how I see it. 580108;1395752657;mircea_popescu;well no problem, but what you're saying doesn't actually make sense. 580109;1395752667;Neil;OK :) Whatever. 580110;1395752670;asciilifeform;spam is misspelled because that selects for idiots << novel hypothesis. traditional thought holds that it is to evade (or, optionally, throw out of calibration) bayesian filter. 580111;1395752699;Mats_cd03;can you demonstrate why linear decay is inappropriate, and why exponential (or w.e) decay is appropriate? 580112;1395752699;mircea_popescu;VanCleef you know we lolled at that shit like five times already, getting stale. 580113;1395752710;Mats_cd03;besides, you know, your intuition 580114;1395752719;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that hypothesis was only seriously considered by the baesian cultists. 580115;1395752721;asciilifeform;(of course, a well-written filter just locks on to characteristic mis-spellings...) 580116;1395752723;VanCleef;sorry still a bit new to me 580117;1395752736;VanCleef;i guess its a joke 580118;1395752746;mircea_popescu;VanCleef jus' grep the log, it's there 580119;1395752783;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 Neil not that there's anything wrong with intuition, it's how great things start. it still has to be actually checked with data. 580120;1395752905;nubbins`;asciilifeform: i always questioned why spammers thought I'd consider an email hawking "v1agr4" as a legitimate source for prescription medication 580121;1395752911;nubbins`;there might be something to this 580122;1395752959;nubbins`;mouth-breathers of the world, meantime, think "hmm, i could use d1ck p1ll5..." 580123;1395752978;nubbins`;"i'd love to turn my peanut into a banana" etc 580124;1395753004;asciilifeform;meanwhile, 580125;1395753006;asciilifeform;http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/25/justice/one-world-trade-center-jump-stunt 580126;1395753006;ozbot;Four men arrested in One World Trade Center jump stunt - CNN.com 580127;1395753024;mircea_popescu;and what's good for people who really believe "make mone yat home by cashing these checks" and "inhearitence!!!" is also good for... "investors" 580128;1395753027;asciilifeform;anyone remember mathias rust ? 580129;1395753034;Neil;mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/ 16tA0 (apologies for remebering wrong above) bets 11 and 8 (19 total) gets less than 14 back. I claim that is typical, and can support with more examples. Can you give me even one example of a two-way bet like this, for similar amounts in size, that was a profit for the bettor? 580130;1395753035;mircea_popescu;can't say as a ido 580131;1395753051;mircea_popescu;Neil why, yes, i can. here : 580132;1395753066;Neil;(i.e. where yes and no bets were simliar in size) 580133;1395753067;asciilifeform;;;google mathias rust 580134;1395753067;gribble;Mathias Rust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust>; Kremlin Caper: Mathias Rust's Landing on Red Square | People ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wue02Y0lS38>; BBC News - Mathias Rust: German teenager who flew to Red Square: <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20609795> 580135;1395753087;mircea_popescu;a) bitbet house bets both sides on all bets, always ; b) in spite of giving away one of the addresses, bitbet house still actually makes bank some months, and overall is just about even ; c) ergo, double betting can be productive. 580136;1395753135;asciilifeform;http://www.pri.org/stories/2012-12-07/remembering-mathias-rusts-flight-red-square 580137;1395753136;ozbot;Remembering Mathias Rust's Flight to Red Square | Public Radio International 580138;1395753136;mircea_popescu;obviously if bitbet house simply kept both addreses it'd actually be ahead by now. which makes it a fine example of how you can make money betting both sides early. 580139;1395753144;mircea_popescu;an example which is put there deliberately, by design, by me, 580140;1395753152;mircea_popescu;and an example which people still have difficulty following 580141;1395753164;mircea_popescu;(not that i mind, i guess, more btc for me) 580142;1395753174;Neil;A bettor other than bitbet. Bitbet gives one side to the originator of course, so I don't even understand your example. Of course, you may have smart decision makers who decide whether a given proposition is more likely to turn out + or -, but that's beside the point. Real-life non-bibet bettor in size (say > 0.5 BTC each side)? Just one example? 580143;1395753189;mircea_popescu;well try to understand it. 580144;1395753200;mircea_popescu;rather than simply discard it. 580145;1395753208;Neil;I'm trying hard to understand somehting that doesn't exist. Waiting for proof. 580146;1395753217;mircea_popescu;well ok, this'll have to wait then. 580147;1395753243;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, here's a girly with snow on her tits 580148;1395753244;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/88592d7877ee342801c347b98a0d2038/tumblr_mm1dl2X38s1s0ryyvo1_500.jpg 580149;1395753267;asciilifeform;'Four New York-area men were arrested Monday after a base jumping stunt from atop One World Trade Center in September, police said. James Brady, Kyle Hartwell, Marko Markovich, and Andrew Rossig have been charged with burglary, reckless endangerment and jumping from a structure, according to a statement issued by NYPD Commissioner William Bratton.' 580150;1395753281;VanCleef;mmmmi'd liek to pee on those tits 580151;1395753325;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i recall a us that'd have just laughed. 580152;1395753330;asciilifeform;1987: 'Eventually, Rust saw Moscow. At first, he wanted to land in the Kremlin. But then he decided to try to land in Red Square, which was full of people... Rust was soon arrested, and convicted of illegally crossing the Soviet Border, and "hooliganism." He was sentenced to four years in prison. The case caused quite a stir in Russia. For a while, Red Square was jokingly referred to as Moscow's "third airport 580153;1395753330;asciilifeform;."' 580154;1395753336;mircea_popescu;why so serious, soviet ? 580155;1395753360;mircea_popescu;aha. perrrfect reference then 580156;1395753363;VanCleef;do you like ethereum mircea or na? 580157;1395753369;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62015 = 1.2403 BTC [-] {2} 580158;1395753388;mircea_popescu;VanCleef i dun see why it'd be useful. 580159;1395753593;asciilifeform;elsewhere, 580160;1395753595;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/ukrainians-on-verge-of-nervous-breakdown.html 580161;1395753595;ozbot;ClubOrlov: Ukrainians on the verge of a nervous breakdown 580162;1395753636;asciilifeform;'ever-amusing Russian Liberal Democrat leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky has proposed dividing up Western Ukraine between Poland, Hungary and Romania. Poland quickly responded that it has no interest in annexing former Eastern Poland. I can't blame them.' 580163;1395753652;jurov;yes i put that here yest, complete with map 580164;1395753657;VanCleef;lol nervous breakdown 580165;1395753823;jurov;yes, the politics around here tends to get divorced from reality 580166;1395753854;jurov;in slovakia the main topic was protection of traditional family recently, including changing the constitution 580167;1395753866;jurov;war imminent on our doorstep? dun have time for that 580168;1395753891;Neil;mircea_popescu: So regarding http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/ and our friend 1K4Fs, I'd be happy to bet real BTC that 1K4Fs loses money regardless of outcome. It's extremely likely (>90%) and given an integral of payoff against probability, I think it's clear betting both ways is a losing proposition. Well, to me at least, which is all that matters. 580169;1395754032;mircea_popescu;Neil so make a bet. 580170;1395754040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 42 @ 0.11950724 = 5.0193 BTC [-] 580171;1395754072;Neil;mircea_popescu: But it's only you on the other side. What do you suggest? 580172;1395754085;Neil;Evens? 580173;1395754093;mircea_popescu;i suggest you make a bitbet, as you describe it, and ima bet a little myself. 580174;1395754097;mircea_popescu;and whoever else wants to 580175;1395754111;Neil;A bitbet on a bitbet? 580176;1395754111;mircea_popescu;hmm jurov you getting pms ? 580177;1395754122;mircea_popescu;Neil hence my "derivative bets ftw" 580178;1395754133;mircea_popescu;i dun see the problem with it, seems a legitimate controversy. 580179;1395754138;jurov;not from you seems 580180;1395754144;Neil;But I'd want to bet 5 BTC against reasonable odds, and bitbet doesn't offer that. Only you can. 580181;1395754245;Neil;*silence* 580182;1395754329;mircea_popescu;o you want fixed odds ? 580183;1395754352;Neil;Well that depends on what they are. That 1K4Fs makes money right? 580184;1395754361;mircea_popescu;well yeah 580185;1395754373;mircea_popescu;but then i'd have to hedge it somehow because clearly it's contingent on how the bet plays out. 580186;1395754393;Neil;Well you wouldn't be able to hedge it, but it's off-market price. 580187;1395754396;Neil;Which is my point. 580188;1395754404;Neil;s/but/because/ 580189;1395754431;mircea_popescu;i'll take even odds on the proposition that 1k4fs makes money *irrespective* of result 580190;1395754455;mircea_popescu;but that's impossib le to ascertain 580191;1395754472;mircea_popescu;unless you're happy with a (291 + 11)/2 > 99 580192;1395754491;Neil;How so? It's easy to ascertain from the final result whether dude made money or not. 580193;1395754500;mircea_popescu;derp 580194;1395754521;mircea_popescu;so just because he went on long odds you're telling me bitbet is broken ? dude wanted the long odds, what can i say 580195;1395754550;Neil;mircea_popescu: My claim and offer stands. Let's leave it at that. :) 580196;1395754580;mircea_popescu;but your claim mostly consists of a large "bitcoin wont be over 10k" leg with a tiny "this other thing" leg 580197;1395754587;mircea_popescu;you can take most of that out on the market as is. 580198;1395754620;Neil;mircea_popescu: Happy to entertain any other bet, of over 0.5 BTC per side, where someone has bet both ways. I'm not holding my breath, given the performance so far... 580199;1395754641;Neil;(bet over 0.5 both ways that is) 580200;1395754643;nubbins`;hmm 580201;1395754657;nubbins`;so, say, betting 10btc on one side and 0.6btc on the other would fit the criteria? 580202;1395754671;mircea_popescu;why over .5 ?! 580203;1395754681;Neil;nubbins`: I'd prefer more evenly weighted. The 0.5 was to eliminate trash. 580204;1395754695;nubbins`;Neil: well, what, equal amounts on both sides? within 10%? 580205;1395754699;nubbins`;list your conditions! 580206;1395754740;nubbins`;let's create some specs here 580207;1395754740;mircea_popescu;trash o.O 580208;1395754753;mircea_popescu;statistics is always abused ;/ 580209;1395754763;*;nubbins` rolls a garbage can around -assets collecting amounts < 0.5 580210;1395754774;nubbins`;free this time, next pick-up you gotta pay 580211;1395754785;Neil;Where the minimum is 0.5 and where larger size is no more than double smaller size, with > 1 month to go sounds OK, but would like a concrete example before finally comitting 580212;1395754913;Neil;I think my point stands though - anyone who has bet 2-ways for "decent" size has lost. I have several examples and haven't seen a single counterexample. 580213;1395754953;Neil;The dude betting 100 BTC both ways on some coin toss was a great specimen of how not to make money on bitbet. 580214;1395754955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.05338906 = 2.2957 BTC [-] {3} 580215;1395754980;mircea_popescu;that we readily agree. coin toss and weight doesn't mix 580216;1395754985;mircea_popescu;should have not put weight on that bet. 580217;1395755037;Neil;mircea_popescu: Though I think he actually got some contra bets late in the game, which meant he came out near break-even, by luck of said coin toss! 580218;1395755091;mircea_popescu;i suppose in a way it was a gamble, guy risked 2 btc on the theory "bitbet bettors are idiots" 580219;1395755099;mircea_popescu;he got to pay the house 2 btc for this presumption 580220;1395755104;mircea_popescu;as he should. all is well. 580221;1395755107;Neil;Not so smart. I wouldn't bet that. 580222;1395755118;mircea_popescu;all the other smarter-than-life players ended up in the same bin. 580223;1395755138;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00095177 = 4.4733 BTC [-] 580224;1395755143;Neil;But I'd also support anyone's right to bet that... 580225;1395755199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.11950724 = 2.2706 BTC [-] 580226;1395755201;Neil;"You" talk about the dynamic of bitbet settling to reasonable odds, but a counterpoint is the example fo the recent 200 BTC bet on the 10k USD bet. 580227;1395755211;mircea_popescu;why is that a counterpoint ? 580228;1395755234;Neil;The outcome odds before and after are massively different. But both stuck. 580229;1395755246;mircea_popescu;so ? 580230;1395755264;Neil;(i.e. no new bets have come in to counterbalance). I don't believe the "market" odds moved that much overnight. Friction is high. 580231;1395755276;mircea_popescu;well ok you don't believe 580232;1395755280;mircea_popescu;but i mean what's in a belief 580233;1395755299;Neil;The Berkshire bet is another example, I think. The odds are higher that 3% (perhaps 15%) but friction prevents realization. 580234;1395755305;Neil;than 580235;1395755308;mircea_popescu;what friction is that ? 580236;1395755312;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is frictionless. 580237;1395755392;Neil;Friction of trusting a dude with the initials MP, friction of knowing the bet exists and the odds, friction of knowing the odds can change underneath you, friction of tying your money up for 1 year, ... I could go on. 580238;1395755408;mircea_popescu;you could, but i'd shrug 580239;1395755421;Neil;Friction of getting into "frictionless" bitcoin. 580240;1395755423;mircea_popescu;this is like telling me friction prevents wallstreet from pricing gold, because fucktards in namibia have no ws access 580241;1395755427;mircea_popescu;who in carnation cares. 580242;1395755447;Neil;Then please explain how 200 BTC come in, and nothing else happens. 580243;1395755456;mircea_popescu;what am i, god ? 580244;1395755460;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. 580245;1395755469;mircea_popescu;but i can't dispute the facts on the basis of my own opinion either. 580246;1395755478;Neil;Clearly the market is thin. No, I have no idea either, but clearly there are limits in our fun little world. Which is good :) 580247;1395755497;mircea_popescu;so were the implied odds wrong before or are the implied odds wrong now ? 580248;1395755521;Neil;Both, clearly. 580249;1395755525;mircea_popescu;if anything, the fascinating thing with that 200 is that it didn't land on the no side of berkshire 580250;1395755527;Neil;But bid-offer is too high. 580251;1395755534;mircea_popescu;which... you'd think that's a massive attractor 580252;1395755553;Neil;Apparently not. 580253;1395755580;mircea_popescu;so then... what, the guy with 200 didn't know about berkshire ? 580254;1395755595;Neil;mircea_popescu: So, somehting I've wondered. Do the "bitbet" terms at MPEX prevent bitbet branching out into other revenue streams? 580255;1395755597;mircea_popescu;or couldn't trust mp or couldn't lock his btc up for months ? 580256;1395755610;mircea_popescu;Neil specifically ? 580257;1395755619;Neil;Suppose bitbet decided to do fixed odds betting (taking on risk on the house). Is that "within the spec"? 580258;1395755634;mircea_popescu;can't do that as a zero asset corp. 580259;1395755648;Neil;So you're saying no? 580260;1395755650;mircea_popescu;the correct way for this to work would be for someone (respected and competent as a bookie) to start a fund 580261;1395755657;mircea_popescu;and do his bitbet bets and report revenue 580262;1395755663;Neil;Sure. I respect you believe that. 580263;1395755692;mircea_popescu;basically the business of the bookie equals the actual bookie. 580264;1395755695;mircea_popescu;it 580265;1395755697;Neil;But as a random Joe sixpack reading the specs, and not knowing who you are etc., it's not really clear how bitbet can evolve, indeed even if it can. 580266;1395755704;mircea_popescu;s one of those, like plastic surgery or massage 580267;1395755707;Neil;Which isn't to imply it doesn't have a great future. 580268;1395755723;mircea_popescu;well evolution and morphing aren't the same thing. 580269;1395755747;mircea_popescu;people keep changing things randomly because of this unwarranted and unwelcome expectation that "new and therefore better" 580270;1395755751;mircea_popescu;irl doens't work that way. 580271;1395755765;Neil;So as a prospective investor, given the terms, I'm thinking "Where can this go, how can it expand?" And it seems limited. Which may not be a bad thing. 580272;1395755810;mircea_popescu;expansion in that sense is not useful for an investor. 580273;1395755835;Neil;Walking down a one-way street isn't useful either. 580274;1395755839;Neil;Not saying it is. 580275;1395755847;Neil;Just saying "where's the flexibility"? 580276;1395755849;mircea_popescu;nothing forces you into a 100% bitbet portofolio. 580277;1395755859;Neil;Of course. 580278;1395755878;mircea_popescu;but consider this : suppose tomorrow some great[ly idiotic] new manager takes over from me, and decides to expand bitbet by buying wynn hotels. 580279;1395755888;mircea_popescu;the forums will be extremely excited at this development. 580280;1395755902;mircea_popescu;this obviously will force a modification o the contract, making bitbet a nz0 now. 580281;1395755917;mircea_popescu;this also means the share will go up, say 100x 580282;1395755929;mircea_popescu;and it finally means that about 70% of that value is actual assets. 580283;1395755940;Neil;Trying to understand what's "in-scope" and what isn't. I personally don't think it's clear. I respect your desire to run a clean, auditable (via blockchain) operation. But the future isn't clear at all, to me anyway. 580284;1395755940;mircea_popescu;then two years later wynn hotels hit a slow patch, get sold for scrap 580285;1395755949;mircea_popescu;investor has gone from this position where he realises gains each month 580286;1395755959;mircea_popescu;to this position where he jsut lost a good 90% of his value 580287;1395755971;Neil;Sure, no argument at all. 580288;1395755987;mircea_popescu;so what's in scope is running the court system of bitcoin 580289;1395755990;Neil;I'm not disputing the setup, I actually like it. 580290;1395755991;davout;mircea_popescu: how would bb buy anything in the first place ? 580291;1395755992;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00095177 = 36.0721 BTC [-] {2} 580292;1395755992;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012798 = 0.6399 BTC [-] {7} 580293;1395755993;mircea_popescu;what isn't in scope is anything else. 580294;1395755997;Neil;I want to understand better what can happen. 580295;1395756007;mircea_popescu;davout hypotetical hypoteticals are hypopotami 580296;1395756071;davout;mircea_popescu: doesn't your argument boil down to : "assets are risky because they can depreciate" ? 580297;1395756136;mircea_popescu;the argument boils down to "fully distributed, non-asset hodling btc corps are a better risk class" 580298;1395756143;mircea_popescu;which they are. 580299;1395756154;jayk;oh 580300;1395756155;mircea_popescu;not saying asset-holding is bad for all time or anything, but it is riskier. 580301;1395756240;davout;tbh that sounds more like your opinion than an argument 580302;1395756246;mircea_popescu;well ok. 580303;1395756270;mircea_popescu;which part, the different risk class part or the sorting of the classes part ? 580304;1395756288;davout;your evaluation of the relative risk 580305;1395756301;mircea_popescu;yeah that part is my opinion. 580306;1395756313;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/18-month-sentence-for-inmate-involved-in-hmp-riot-1.2584421 580307;1395756313;ozbot;18-month sentence for inmate involved in HMP riot - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News 580308;1395756319;nubbins`;"In the end, the rioters traded the sole hostage in exchange for two cigarettes before surrendering to police." 580309;1395756322;davout;imho ZA corps are quite vulnerable to issues related to management since basically the management *is* the company 580310;1395756336;mircea_popescu;davout which makes the bad actors quickly visible 580311;1395756347;davout;there's also the bus factor 580312;1395756354;nubbins`;they have buses in romania?! 580313;1395756355;mircea_popescu;asset-based corps dampen management incompetence, allowing outright thieves to run for a longer time than the yshou;d 580314;1395756359;mircea_popescu;bitcointalk is full of examples. 580315;1395756365;davout;but i do agree that the improvement of natural selection is a good thing 580316;1395756376;davout;i agree with that 580317;1395756406;mircea_popescu;davout from what i recall, some random idiot opining was claiming that getting the average bitcoin exchange at the safety rate of the average human would be a great gain in security. 580318;1395756423;novusordo;i'm having trouble with coming up with any good examples of non-asset holding corps preceding bitcoin 580319;1395756435;asciilifeform;safety rate of the average human << ? 580320;1395756445;mircea_popescu;supported by evidence this strange view oif his, seeing how bitcoin exchanges have the life expectancy of trisomic neonates 580321;1395756468;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah something based on how likely it is for the avg 20yo to bite it 580322;1395756555;mircea_popescu;somehow not mentioning micromorts or anything 580323;1395756565;mircea_popescu;because you know, little train engines that can, these people. 580324;1395756570;asciilifeform;i suppose it also matters what is meant by death. i.e. many fiat corps would become fiat corpses, and rather indistinguishable from gox, if disconnected from usg printer. 580325;1395756585;mircea_popescu;that part wasn't covered. 580326;1395756620;nubbins`;http://www.thefloatingworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/LSD-cat-700px.jpg 580327;1395756641;mircea_popescu;novusordo yeah, i believe this is a mpex innovation. 580328;1395756794;davout;mircea_popescu: who was arguing that ? 580329;1395756826;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/cash-theft-from-rnc-locker-remains-unsolved-1.2585148 580330;1395756827;ozbot;Cash theft from RNC locker remains unsolved - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News 580331;1395756830;nubbins`;GOOD TO KNOW 580332;1395756837;mircea_popescu;eh we discussed here a little bit back lemme see 580333;1395756907;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299999 = 0.365 BTC [+] {3} 580334;1395756928;Mats_cd03;lol nubbins` blotter? 580335;1395756936;nubbins`;nod :D 580336;1395756953;nubbins`;unsoaked, natch 580337;1395756981;Mats_cd03;after you lay it, get close and take a deep breath 580338;1395756994;Mats_cd03;is the cats meow 580339;1395757053;mircea_popescu;davout well i can't find it now. some kid from the "community" of self-proclaimed experts wrote some sort of article/"white paper" on how bitcoin exchanges should do x y z to get their risk of blowing up in line with the risk of the average 20yo getting hit by a bus 580340;1395757106;davout;sounds interdasting 580341;1395757122;mircea_popescu;davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2014#563385 580342;1395757126;mircea_popescu;smarter people than me halping. 580343;1395757145;davout;mircea_popescu: thank you kind sir 580344;1395757151;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00095177 = 3.3312 BTC [-] 580345;1395757183;Mats_cd03;that paste doesnt exist anymore 580346;1395757190;davout;aw the paste is gone 580347;1395757194;mircea_popescu;talktotat. 580348;1395757202;nubbins`;Mats_cd03: would actually be a neat business to get into, supplying blotter paper 580349;1395757202;mircea_popescu;it was stupid anyway 580350;1395757208;nubbins`;a tough nut to crack tho, for sure 580351;1395757212;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21218 @ 0.00095315 = 20.2239 BTC [+] {4} 580352;1395757219;davout;didn't know gox hosted some pastie-clone as well 580353;1395757235;mircea_popescu;nubbins` isn't it traditionally reserved for the girlfriend of the chemist making the dope ? 580354;1395757237;Mats_cd03;as i understand it, the best market are the sr clones 580355;1395757249;Mats_cd03;^is 580356;1395757269;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: as it happens, the best i've tried has been white-on-white (no design at all) 580357;1395757291;nubbins`;Mats_cd03: i haven't been keeping track of the clones at all 580358;1395757304;ThickAsThieves;http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/03/24/color-rotsnake_custom-d48b779a38b868da75a48c9b1e7e5515a0a644cd-s40-c85.gif 580359;1395757334;nubbins`;my eyes 580360;1395757365;ThickAsThieves;you now have the visually transmitted virus 580361;1395757366;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: for that matter, i don't think the chemist generally lays the blotter at all 580362;1395757369;Mats_cd03;me neither, although it makes sense - its not actually illegal in a lot of jurisdictions (the paper, anyway) 580363;1395757378;nubbins`;simply produces vials of liquid 580364;1395757390;nubbins`;Mats_cd03: plenty of blotter art on ebay, even 580365;1395757391;mircea_popescu;s/chemist/whoever lays 580366;1395757410;nubbins`;lots of alex grey and r. crumb 580367;1395757449;nubbins`;crumb's artwork is cool, burns me out 580368;1395757456;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07299999 = 0.292 BTC [+] 580369;1395757503;nubbins`;http://theartofattraxion.com/works/robert-crumbs-history-of-women/ 580370;1395757504;ozbot;Robert Crumb’s History of Women « TheArtofAttraxion X Because your body is a canvas. 580371;1395757517;mircea_popescu;;;google a crumb of frisco 580372;1395757518;gribble;Crumb N Get It Cookie Factory - Frisco, Texas - Bakery | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/crumbngetitcookiefactory>; 12 State Farm Agents in Frisco, Texas: <https://www.statefarm.com/agent/US/TX/FRISCO>; Agents in Frisco, CO - State Farm Insurance: <https://www.statefarm.com/agent/US/CO/FRISCO> 580373;1395757522;mircea_popescu;darn son. 580374;1395757590;novusordo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528464.msg5891852#msg5891852 lol 580375;1395757592;ozbot;ROCKMINER - miners using GEN3 ASICMINER chips 580376;1395757639;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.05278955 = 1.003 BTC [-] {2} 580377;1395757699;asciilifeform;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-24/banker-suicides-leave-industry-concerned-as-coroners-investigate.html 580378;1395757715;kakobrekla;too much chemtrails 580379;1395757717;Mats_cd03;lol 580380;1395757730;mircea_popescu;http://theartofattraxion.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/robert-crumb-history-of-women-w-magazine-3-1.jpg 580381;1395757736;mircea_popescu;i believe the guy never saw a russ meyer film. 580382;1395757761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.068 = 0.204 BTC [+] 580383;1395757790;nubbins`;http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8142/7471348400_d84ea92e46_o.jpg 580384;1395757806;nubbins`;"R. Crumb's ideal woman: the 'true amazon'" 580385;1395757830;mircea_popescu;lmao at all this "genetically superior both physically and mentally" 580386;1395757840;mircea_popescu;then you're regaled something from the roadside freakshwo cca 1905 580387;1395757847;mircea_popescu;srsly nao, caliban is never smart. ever. 580388;1395757865;mircea_popescu;caliban is subhuman. 580389;1395757865;Mats_cd03;hahaha 580390;1395757886;nubbins`;heh 580391;1395757889;nubbins`;crumb is fucked 580392;1395757895;nubbins`;he's published books full of shit like this 580393;1395757898;nubbins`;check this one: http://rottenindenmark.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/img_4989.jpg 580394;1395757930;mircea_popescu;nubbins` http://trilema.com/2009/un-crumb-de-frisco/ 580395;1395757961;nubbins`;HEH 580396;1395758006;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.62006666 = 3.7204 BTC [-] {2} 580397;1395758063;nubbins`;http://www.badgirlchats.com/wp-content/uploads/R-Crumb-image.jpeg 580398;1395758093;nubbins`;anyway, re: crumb blotter art: http://blotterart.com/ProductImages/grabbies-orange-blotter-art.jpg 580399;1395758335;*;jurov saves the crumbs woman to later delight of his lesbian friends 580400;1395758382;jurov;they know how to appreciate true womanhood 580401;1395758479;nubbins`;crumb took a lotta flak over the years 580402;1395758844;mircea_popescu;aren't they a little... porky ? 580403;1395758854;mircea_popescu;i like big women too, but these seem big in all the wrong ways in all the wrong places. 580404;1395758932;kakobrekla;www.uvm.edu/~iwd/images08/venuswillindorflarge.jpg 580405;1395758980;nubbins`;he likes Women 580406;1395758982;nubbins`;capital-W 580407;1395758995;nubbins`;birthing hips etc 580408;1395759018;nubbins`;you'll find a lot of crumb fans do as well 580409;1395759109;asciilifeform;http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/03/24/color-rotsnake_custom-d48b779a38b868da75a48c9b1e7e5515a0a644cd-s40-c85.gif << what does it say about me brain if i can... make it stand still 580410;1395759164;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.00095528 = 44.516 BTC [+] {5} 580411;1395759194;nubbins`;it means you'd make a good sniper 580412;1395759271;mircea_popescu;nubbins` gotta have that narrow waist etc. 580413;1395759295;mircea_popescu;all these folks looking for a mom. 580414;1395759337;nubbins`;^ 580415;1395759353;nubbins`;gazing upward with hope and joy in their eyes 580416;1395759360;nubbins`;o, to die beneath her fists! 580417;1395759517;asciilifeform;'don't run from sniper, you'll only die tired' (american folk saying) 580418;1395759866;rithm;i'm just glad my computer works today 580419;1395759870;rithm;3rd one this year 580420;1395759902;rithm;bitcoin be killin those encrypted ~ partitions 580421;1395760199;novusordo;so apparently the trezor has a better recovery system than I thought 580422;1395760230;novusordo;if you take a factory-fresh trezor and you have a bip32 wallet you'd like to put on it 580423;1395760246;novusordo;it prompts you to enter the words from the bip32 phrase out of order 580424;1395760264;novusordo;and also prompts to enter random words between the actual ones 580425;1395760288;asciilifeform;novusordo: what prompts? last i saw, 'trezor' had no keyboard 580426;1395760301;novusordo;the screen will say something like "enter word 1" 580427;1395760315;asciilifeform;enter using what? 580428;1395760318;asciilifeform;morse? 580429;1395760348;novusordo;keyboard 580430;1395760352;novusordo;on the host computer 580431;1395760357;asciilifeform;aha. 580432;1395760376;novusordo;hence why such a recovery system is needed 580433;1395760442;asciilifeform;novusordo: what does trezor look like to host machine? tty ? 580434;1395760579;novusordo;not sure, haven't gotten mine to play with yet 580435;1395760707;MisterE;wow that sparked quite the debate about bitbet 580436;1395760844;MisterE;Bitbet about outcome of 1K4Fs bitbet! 580437;1395760901;MisterE;Or make it for 2/3 bets where a bettor is betting both sides. 580438;1395761116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00303 = 0.1454 BTC [+] 580439;1395761270;thestringpuller;Betting boths sides is a way to adjust exposure? How is that controversial? 580440;1395761295;thestringpuller;adjust exposure before time-weight effects... 580441;1395761299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07125005 = 0.1425 BTC [-] {2} 580442;1395761482;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00298 = 0.1132 BTC [-] 580443;1395761483;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00095373 = 9.728 BTC [-] 580444;1395761614;mircea_popescu;i dunno. 580445;1395761787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00095355 = 7.5807 BTC [-] 580446;1395761976;mircea_popescu;http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130615094529AAJ01dh 580447;1395761977;ozbot;My wife was raped my four men. I can't live or be with her with that on my mind. I have to leave her 580448;1395761984;mircea_popescu;yahoo's pretty good for trollage apparently 580449;1395762048;chetty;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-25/what-bank-run-china-looks-hundreds-rush-banks-following-solvency-rumors 580450;1395762049;ozbot;What A Bank Run In China Looks Like: Hundreds Rush To Banks Following Solvency Rumors | Zero Hedge 580451;1395762092;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00305 = 0.1525 BTC [+] 580452;1395762153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00088874 = 0.1777 BTC [-] 580453;1395762459;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05436663 = 0.1631 BTC [-] {3} 580454;1395762519;benkay;http://amultiverse.com/comic/2010/08/23/the-crystalline-entity/ 580455;1395762521;ozbot;Scenes From A Multiverse » The Crystalline Entity 580456;1395762568;benkay;also relevant to Bitcoin: http://amultiverse.com/comic/2010/08/24/welcome-to-the-deathzones/ 580457;1395762931;Mats_cd03;http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory lol 580458;1395762932;ozbot;Chemtrail conspiracy theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 580459;1395762975;mike_c;paging BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/796/an-eastern-conference-team-will-win-the-nba/ let's get some action! 580460;1395763190;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.19917759 BTC to 4`379 shares, 50221 satoshi per share 580461;1395763312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05223833 = 0.4701 BTC [-] {6} 580462;1395763313;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 50.50848075 BTC to 4`379 shares, 1153425 satoshi per share 580463;1395763373;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.05182727 = 0.5701 BTC [-] {4} 580464;1395763434;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.05717695 = 0.5146 BTC [-] {7} 580465;1395763606;blackwhite_;whats a good primer on currency/money? Any book recomendations 580466;1395763678;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0675 = 0.6075 BTC [+] 580467;1395763740;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62988799 BTC [+] 580468;1395763799;thestringpuller;what has the government done with our money 580469;1395763801;thestringpuller;by 580470;1395763804;thestringpuller;murray rothbard 580471;1395763861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0529 = 0.1587 BTC [-] 580472;1395763888;mircea_popescu;perhaps the least understood topic under the sun 580473;1395763922;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07100021 = 0.213 BTC [-] 580474;1395763983;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07054545 = 1.552 BTC [-] {3} 580475;1395764044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0056283 = 0.1407 BTC [+] 580476;1395764045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0645 = 0.5805 BTC [-] 580477;1395764166;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-] 580478;1395764167;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0056283 = 0.1126 BTC [+] 580479;1395764168;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.10144642 = 3.0434 BTC [-] 580480;1395764267;benkay;kakobrekla, mircea_popescu: where's the bitbet api again? 580481;1395764292;BingoBoingo;mike_c: You know I dun really do the basketball thing http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/13/an-overview-of-betable-sports-part-2-basketball/ 580482;1395764313;mike_c;benkay: there's a json feed by tacking ?json on the end of the bet url 580483;1395764316;kakobrekla;benkay http://bitbet.us/bet/786/xyz/?json 580484;1395764336;kakobrekla;or without xyz as well 580485;1395764350;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.05068334 = 0.6082 BTC [-] {6} 580486;1395764355;mircea_popescu;better w/o the xyz 580487;1395764403;the20year3;man these banks are idiots 580488;1395764418;the20year3;Put an offer on a house about 3-4 weeks ago, telling them we could close in a week 580489;1395764426;mike_c;BingoBoingo: but no point shaving possible here, just 5:1 odds on the eastern conference. that's a good bet. 580490;1395764443;the20year3;Got a email back the 13th from the bank saying "We are ready to close" , the contract's closing date was the 24th as requested by the bank. 24th has come and gone and still no closing 580491;1395764464;BingoBoingo;mike_c: I Mr. Stern still the commissioner? 580492;1395764471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-] 580493;1395764474;mike_c;only for like 2 more months 580494;1395764508;mike_c;oh nvm, stern left Feb. 1 580495;1395764525;mircea_popescu;mike_c pm 580496;1395764532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0501 = 0.1503 BTC [-] 580497;1395764533;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06 = 0.18 BTC [+] 580498;1395764534;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-] 580499;1395764536;mike_c;mircea_popescu: didn't get it.. 580500;1395764550;BingoBoingo;I'm still iffy on the whole NBA thing. Might as well open a bet on who wins the whole Wrestlemania thing. 580501;1395764593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0496 = 0.1984 BTC [-] {2} 580502;1395764594;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06 = 0.24 BTC [+] 580503;1395764595;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.10144642 = 0.913 BTC [-] {2} 580504;1395764602;mike_c;hah. nothing wrong with that either :) unless vince mcmahon has some bitcoin 580505;1395764642;benkay;kakobrekla: is there a convenient way to get a list of all resolved bets besides scrolling down the search page? 580506;1395764654;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.05649999 = 0.8475 BTC [-] {3} 580507;1395764655;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05 = 0.35 BTC [+] {2} 580508;1395764656;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-] {2} 580509;1395764660;BingoBoingo;Still doesn't fit with risk profiles I find betable. You never know who has Bitcoin. 580510;1395764674;kakobrekla;closed bets rss fee perhaps? 580511;1395764678;kakobrekla;feed 580512;1395764706;kakobrekla;sorry, the resolved rss feed 580513;1395764707;benkay;resolved rss only returns a few recently resolved bet 580514;1395764710;benkay;bets* 580515;1395764711;kakobrekla;theres no 'closed' feed 580516;1395764715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.10144642 = 1.0145 BTC [-] 580517;1395764716;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05253333 = 0.3152 BTC [-] {4} 580518;1395764717;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-] 580519;1395764746;benkay;and i'm not seeing any pagination handles in the 'resolved' rss 580520;1395764754;BingoBoingo;http://www.bnd.com/2014/03/25/3127475/postal-workers-intercept-drugs.html 580521;1395764755;ozbot;Postal workers intercept drugs mailed to metro-east | Top Stories | News Democrat 580522;1395764775;kakobrekla;myea 580523;1395764776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07 = 0.56 BTC [-] {2} 580524;1395764809;kakobrekla;i guess we need some ?json on /browse/ 580525;1395764837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4383 @ 0.00012319 = 0.5399 BTC [-] {13} 580526;1395764898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1137 @ 0.00012324 = 0.1401 BTC [+] {3} 580527;1395764899;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-] 580528;1395764900;benkay;well 580529;1395764900;benkay;"need" 580530;1395764959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-] 580531;1395764989;kakobrekla;perhaps the easiest way is to just loop through the ids going from 1 to whatever 580532;1395764994;kakobrekla;and you will get them all 580533;1395765025;kakobrekla;the status of the bet is in json 580534;1395765028;benkay;now that's usin the noggin 580535;1395765142;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 45 @ 0.10144642 = 4.5651 BTC [-] 580536;1395765264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22029 @ 0.00095125 = 20.9551 BTC [-] {2} 580537;1395765325;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07 = 0.42 BTC [-] 580538;1395765508;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 580539;1395765630;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3161 @ 0.00095048 = 3.0045 BTC [-] 580540;1395765630;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0486 = 0.243 BTC [-] {2} 580541;1395766423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0499 = 0.2495 BTC [+] 580542;1395766484;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0503996 = 0.1512 BTC [+] {3} 580543;1395766490;the20year3;aaaah , buyer package is here 580544;1395766606;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00094983 = 14.2949 BTC [-] {2} 580545;1395766916;pankkake;I am transferring my data from old to new drives, and I started a checksum verification of the tranferred files, for fun. turns out, a lot weren't transferred correctly 580546;1395766923;mircea_popescu;aaand trilema, teh rift guild just went over 1k members 580547;1395766946;pankkake;I suppose I should blame the hardware… though both are raid6 580548;1395766990;asciilifeform;pankkake: helps to remember that there is really no such thing as a digital circuit 580549;1395766996;mircea_popescu;maybe diff checksm implementations ? 580550;1395767024;asciilifeform;analogue 'expellas furca, tamen usque revenit' ! 580551;1395767064;pankkake;no, it's the same machine, with 12 drives wired. the setup is clearly ghetto (especially the pci-e extenders to reach the drives outside…) 580552;1395767129;mircea_popescu;ah 580553;1395767244;asciilifeform;protocol is promise. helps to sometimes ensure promise is being kept. 580554;1395767521;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07021334 = 1.966 BTC [-] {3} 580555;1395767558;mircea_popescu;http://www.networkworld.com/news/2014/032514-atm-malware-controlled-by-a-280030.html 580556;1395767565;mircea_popescu;speaking of. 580557;1395767582;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07000004 = 1.47 BTC [-] {3} 580558;1395767583;asciilifeform;personally seen several atms with 'bsod' 580559;1395767681;pankkake;many atms or other kiosk stuff stuck on the "daylight savings" message 580560;1395767826;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07 = 1.4 BTC [-] {2} 580561;1395767887;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00094952 = 14.1478 BTC [-] {2} 580562;1395767948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05399997 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2} 580563;1395768680;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 580564;1395768741;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12128 @ 0.00094896 = 11.509 BTC [-] {3} 580565;1395768787;ThickAsThieves;is there a block visualizer website? 580566;1395769167;mircea_popescu;what's that ? 580567;1395769261;ThickAsThieves;something to see how addresses/txs are connected 580568;1395769327;jurov;blockr has it 580569;1395769336;jurov;in transaction detail 580570;1395769343;ThickAsThieves;thx 580571;1395769438;ThickAsThieves;hmm i dont see "detail" anywhere 580572;1395769517;nubbins`;mircea_popescu is there a way to exchange btc for whatever the fuck rift uses for currency? 580573;1395769541;nubbins`;simiar to eve/1btc 580574;1395769595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9141 @ 0.0009457 = 8.6446 BTC [-] 580575;1395769615;mircea_popescu;sure 580576;1395769632;mircea_popescu;you give me the btc 580577;1395769656;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05399999 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2} 580578;1395769687;mircea_popescu;also in the news, i took about a week off because of all the press nuttery, during which i stopped buying raw materials 580579;1395769705;mircea_popescu;now i look at the market, prices fell an average of 40% across all product classes. 580580;1395769714;mircea_popescu;so i bought like a piggy 580581;1395769717;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 127 @ 0.00629561 = 0.7995 BTC [+] {4} 580582;1395769741;mircea_popescu;i guess im one of the major market foreces there 580583;1395769778;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0543748 = 0.435 BTC [+] {3} 580584;1395769779;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0486 = 0.1944 BTC [-] 580585;1395769839;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05499999 = 0.22 BTC [+] {2} 580586;1395769840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16889 @ 0.00094986 = 16.0422 BTC [+] {2} 580587;1395770083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.055 = 0.385 BTC [+] {3} 580588;1395770084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04810005 = 0.1924 BTC [-] {2} 580589;1395770510;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62988979 BTC [+] 580590;1395770632;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-] 580591;1395770697;mike_c;http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/betting-bitbet-both-ways/ 580592;1395770698;ozbot;Betting BitBet Both Ways - Btc Alpha 580593;1395770937;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.052 = 0.312 BTC [-] {2} 580594;1395770970;nubbins`;http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Local/2014-03-25/article-3662653/Man-who-tried-to-choke-daughter-gets-one-year-probation/1 580595;1395770970;mircea_popescu;mike_c the correct selection for house bets is to take the first three bets of any wager, and exclude one of them 580596;1395770970;ozbot;Man who tried to choke daughter gets one year probation - Local - The Telegram 580597;1395770977;mike_c;i wish 580598;1395770989;mircea_popescu;mike_c the one you exclude a) always has the same output as one of the remainder two and is either made at weight 100k 580599;1395770990;mike_c;lots of counter-examples to that 580600;1395770992;MisterE;nice mike_c @ 580601;1395770998;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11463 @ 0.00095392 = 10.9348 BTC [+] {2} 580602;1395770998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 580603;1395770999;mircea_popescu;or else at lower weight than the other two 580604;1395771009;mircea_popescu;but the two you keep always have the exact same weight 580605;1395771019;mircea_popescu;usually in the 99,995+-2 range 580606;1395771021;mike_c;*generally 580607;1395771030;mircea_popescu;now give me a counterexample to that. 580608;1395771084;mike_c;http://bitbet.us/bet/4/ 580609;1395771085;ozbot;BitBet - US Credit Rating 580610;1395771117;nubbins`;http://www.thetelegram.com/Living/2014-03-25/article-3661866/Local-artist-using-Ellen-DeGeneres-portrait-as-a-face-for-pro-seal-hunt/1 580611;1395771118;ozbot;Local artist using Ellen DeGeneres portrait as a face for pro seal hunt - Entertainment - The Telegr 580612;1395771118;nubbins`;HEH 580613;1395771129;nubbins`;guy does a portrait of Ellen in a seal pelt 580614;1395771134;mircea_popescu;mike_c take first 3, exclude 3rd. whay problem ? 580615;1395771140;mike_c;not the same weight 580616;1395771185;mircea_popescu;1. take first 3 bets. 2. exclude one. 2.1 either the 1st, if it has the same exit addy as one of the other 2, and the two have same weight, or else the 3rd. 580617;1395771211;mircea_popescu;99`9xx weight = same weight in this sense anyway. 580618;1395771264;mircea_popescu;ha! the house clears 10% ? i had it pegged at about 8% 580619;1395771303;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00095177 = 5.4727 BTC [-] {2} 580620;1395771378;mircea_popescu;mike_c the point about "it dun really matter so much to correctly identify the house" stands too, for the angle discussed in chat. 580621;1395771399;mircea_popescu;and nice article. somebody should dump it on reddit. 580622;1395771408;MisterE;yea good work 580623;1395771421;El3k0n;Hi guys 580624;1395771427;mircea_popescu;also Neil ^ 580625;1395771435;mike_c;http://bitbet.us/bet/175/ 580626;1395771436;ozbot;BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will stay ABOVE 14.88$ and BELOW 21.46$ 580627;1395771439;mike_c;not one of the first 3 580628;1395771466;mike_c;thanks MisterE mircea_popescu 580629;1395771479;BingoBoingo;mike_c: Spectacular write up 580630;1395771559;mircea_popescu;holy shit you're right. 580631;1395771561;mircea_popescu;a well, i tried. 580632;1395771565;mircea_popescu;blame the blockchainz. 580633;1395771593;benkay;wd mike_c 580634;1395771608;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.0009566 = 24.5846 BTC [+] {3} 580635;1395771614;mike_c;thx. it is cool to look at some of the big winners for the house. the mtgox closure caused a huge one. 0.07 btc -> 1.36 btc 580636;1395771627;benkay;lol sponsorized 580637;1395771675;mircea_popescu;;;calc 1324 / 2 * .1 580638;1395771675;gribble;66.2 580639;1395771687;mircea_popescu;yeah hehe 580640;1395771692;mircea_popescu;spikes on the graph 580641;1395771885;mircea_popescu;so 66.2 theoretical, 66.16 practical. 580642;1395771890;mircea_popescu;;;calc 0.04 / 66.2 580643;1395771890;gribble;0.000604229607251 580644;1395771898;mircea_popescu;99.94% i say! 580645;1395771968;wao-ender;you seems kinda nostalgic here 580646;1395771974;wao-ender;#firstbets 580647;1395772019;mircea_popescu;anyway, 5.x btc profit on a 70ish btc budget as a handicapper is really not that bad. 580648;1395772034;mircea_popescu;this is a living, split x btc on each bet, early. 580649;1395772057;mike_c;not bad at all. plus you could surely do better by varying your budget on the bets. 580650;1395772094;mircea_popescu;maybe. 580651;1395772107;mircea_popescu;perhaps in the sense of varying it 0 - x, binary like 580652;1395772118;mike_c;yeah, right after i said that i second thought it. lot of the big profits comes from unexpected results. 580653;1395772279;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+] 580654;1395772297;mircea_popescu;generally speaking mechanical, constraint betting results in better ev than "feelers". 580655;1395772321;mircea_popescu;something like "x on winner, half x on loser for all bets" or w/e other strategy 580656;1395772327;mircea_popescu;people could actually write bots for this. 580657;1395772332;wao-ender;^ 580658;1395772342;mircea_popescu;ie, here's a very simple way to have fun as a bright young programmer : 580659;1395772358;mircea_popescu;write a google search application that finds answers to bets based on queries derived from bet text, 580660;1395772358;wao-ender;trilema^post^request 580661;1395772359;mircea_popescu;bets 580662;1395772361;mircea_popescu;see if you win. 580663;1395772387;mircea_popescu;wao-ender yeah i guess so. 580664;1395772388;asciilifeform;s.bitbot 580665;1395772410;wao-ender;we are having this weekend bithack at our hackerspace, wondering if people would like make some betbot 580666;1395772410;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform could even have tournaments. who makes the most out of 100 btc or w/e 580667;1395772425;mircea_popescu;wao-ender this is going to take a year rather than a weekend. 580668;1395772428;mircea_popescu;it's a fucking hard problem. 580669;1395772444;wao-ender;lot of math and analyzing of external inputs 580670;1395772467;wao-ender;but yeah, I can imagine, it could work. 580671;1395772476;wao-ender;like betting what weather would be tomorrow. 580672;1395772492;thestringpuller;wao-ender: so you're going to create an AI bot? 580673;1395772508;thestringpuller;how will you determine conditions? 580674;1395772520;thestringpuller;or know if propositions are objective? etc. etc. 580675;1395772641;blackwhite;http://gigaom.com/2014/03/25/irs-declares-that-bitcoin-will-be-taxed-as-property/ 580676;1395772642;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who needs tournament. the coin would suffice - 'Быть всегда впереди - вот награда твоя!' ('to be always ahead - this shall be your reward!' from well-known sov. song) 580677;1395772642;ozbot;IRS declares that bitcoin will be taxed as property — Tech News and Analysis 580678;1395772706;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07199779 = 0.144 BTC [+] 580679;1395772707;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28450 @ 0.00095821 = 27.2611 BTC [+] {4} 580680;1395772715;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly :) 580681;1395772744;ThickAsThieves;http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-14-21.pdf 580682;1395772791;ThickAsThieves;If a taxpayer receives a payment in virtual currency, is it considered income? 580683;1395772792;ThickAsThieves;Yes, the fair-market value of the currency (in U.S. dollars) on the date the payment was received is considered to be income. For more information on exchange rates, see the notice. 580684;1395772828;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 887 @ 0.0029547 = 2.6208 BTC [-] {13} 580685;1395773005;novusordo;took them that long to come up with this? 580686;1395773011;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00284176 = 2.8418 BTC [-] {21} 580687;1395773016;novusordo;not surprised but come on 580688;1395773017;ThickAsThieves;it doesnt really say how to determine an exchange rate other than to be consistent 580689;1395773022;asciilifeform;ianal, but nothing shocking here - usg is treating btc the same as gold, cement, bags of xxxxx good 580690;1395773053;asciilifeform;if you pay in cement, that's traditionally taxable, etc. 580691;1395773072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07199779 = 0.144 BTC [+] 580692;1395773133;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.072 = 3.24 BTC [+] 580693;1395773223;thestringpuller;What determines receiving BTC as payment? 580694;1395773247;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the difference between cement and btc is that i can hit you over the head with the cement. 580695;1395773258;thestringpuller;If you receive BTC as a gift doesn't a different tax apply? 580696;1395773264;mircea_popescu;seems to me the only sane treatment of btc is as any other intangible, taxable only upon realisation. 580697;1395773274;mircea_popescu;i dunno who'd live in a jurisdiction that takes any other tack to the problem, or why. 580698;1395773284;novusordo;btc dividends? 580699;1395773297;mircea_popescu;novusordo that's not realisation. when you sell it, you report the income. 580700;1395773315;novusordo;that's how i've understood it 580701;1395773331;ThickAsThieves;so if i trade you intellectual proprty for bitcoins, a black hole forms? 580702;1395773377;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 86 @ 0.07000009 = 6.02 BTC [-] {4} 580703;1395773426;ThickAsThieves;how does one discern a reasonable trade value from an unreasonable one? 580704;1395773434;El3k0n;ThickAsThieves The world financial system implodes 580705;1395773481;mircea_popescu;ello El3k0n 580706;1395773484;mircea_popescu;who might you be ? 580707;1395773511;ThickAsThieves;this guy? https://twitter.com/El3k0n 580708;1395773536;El3k0n;Yes 580709;1395773550;ThickAsThieves;he makes random numbers too 580710;1395773550;mircea_popescu;cool 580711;1395773558;ThickAsThieves;https://github.com/El3k0n 580712;1395773570;ThickAsThieves;sick him asciilifeform! 580713;1395773627;pankkake;that's a horrible random generator 580714;1395773636;El3k0n;It's a fork 580715;1395773642;El3k0n;I didn't made that 580716;1395773674;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/APStylebook/status/438316517307215874 580717;1395773675;ozbot;Twitter / APStylebook: AP Style tip: Bitcoin is a ... 580718;1395773684;BingoBoingo;Related to an earlier discussion 580719;1395773702;ThickAsThieves;makes sense 580720;1395773742;nubbins`;can't trust AP style tips anymore 580721;1395773750;nubbins`;they now allow "over" as a synonym of "more than" 580722;1395773752;*;nubbins` shakes head 580723;1395773755;mike_c;that one seems right though 580724;1395773765;mike_c;the btc one 580725;1395773801;BingoBoingo;It's what I've been trying to do. 580726;1395773827;pankkake;nubbins`: why isn't "over" the same as "more than"? 580727;1395773864;pankkake;I didn't know the AP style guide existed, I've been meaning to read the Economist one 580728;1395773876;nubbins`;pankkake, it's just not proper english :D 580729;1395773884;nubbins`;colloquially, it's used the same way 580730;1395773886;pankkake;yes but WHY :( 580731;1395773899;nubbins`;well, y'know why is anything the way it is? 580732;1395773903;nubbins`;why is the table a table? 580733;1395773911;nubbins`;anyway gotta run, :D 580734;1395773965;BingoBoingo;http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/microsoft-releases-source-code-for-ms-dos-and-word/ 580735;1395773966;ozbot;Microsoft releases source code for MS-DOS and Word | Ars Technica 580736;1395774043;benkay;plantive whine: "look, we do open source!" 580737;1395774048;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15016 @ 0.00095355 = 14.3185 BTC [-] 580738;1395774219;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: Microsoft releases source code << carefully calculated insult to the public - dos 1.1 580739;1395774243;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: And Word 1.1 580740;1395774243;asciilifeform;plenty of industrial systems, etc. still run on dos 5 and later - but, fortunately, the source (largely asm) was leaked years ago. 580741;1395774284;pankkake;there's always FreeDOS 580742;1395774312;asciilifeform;freedos, last i checked, wasn't 'bug for bug compatible' with msdos. 580743;1395774414;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.048175 = 0.1927 BTC [-] {3} 580744;1395774415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0545 = 0.218 BTC [-] {2} 580745;1395774416;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-] {2} 580746;1395774475;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0476005 = 0.238 BTC [-] 580747;1395774489;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: i do hope that you don't think me to be some sort of rng hero 580748;1395774508;asciilifeform;everything there is to know about rng is 1950s state of the art. 580749;1395774536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0471 = 0.1413 BTC [-] 580750;1395774537;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07 = 1.75 BTC [-] {2} 580751;1395774538;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.10144642 = 0.5072 BTC [-] 580752;1395774556;ThickAsThieves;well more that i respect you have better ability to discern proper rng, crypto, etc than i 580753;1395774561;BingoBoingo;reeses: Bug for Bug compatibility http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/08/accuracy-takes-power-one-mans-3ghz-quest-to-build-a-perfect-snes-emulator/ 580754;1395774622;Duffer1;ciphertrade goes live on friday 580755;1395774637;Duffer1;they have yet to figure out who gets what percentage... 580756;1395774675;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-have-fun-as-an-intelligent-person/ 580757;1395774676;ozbot;How to have fun as an intelligent person pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 580758;1395774679;mircea_popescu;wao-ender ^ 580759;1395774685;mircea_popescu;tho perhaps not exactly what you had in mind. 580760;1395774706;Duffer1;that's right, apparently without a contract, multiple people pooled resources to create CipherTrade and didn't figure out who will own what 580761;1395774718;Duffer1;this will end well i'm sure 580762;1395774718;wao-ender;mircea_popescu: let me read it 580763;1395774726;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 as someone said, "not even worth laughing at" 580764;1395774740;mircea_popescu;course, i think they were talking of something else. inasmuch as there can be "something else" in the swamp. 580765;1395774760;Duffer1;it must be something else cause to me this is hilarious 580766;1395774833;wao-ender;well, great reading. 580767;1395774853;wao-ender;I suggest it as milion dollar idea w/o one dollar, that one dollar you already have in your pocket 580768;1395774904;mircea_popescu;also requires a head. 580769;1395774912;wao-ender;not in package. 580770;1395774913;wao-ender;right 580771;1395774939;mircea_popescu;but because bitcoin allows such fine payments, you're right, you can do this on a cup of coffee 580772;1395774963;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0551 = 0.2755 BTC [+] {2} 580773;1395775235;thestringpuller;that's one of the best trilema articles I've read 580774;1395775246;thestringpuller;totally worth a trilema coin 580775;1395775261;mircea_popescu;ha! 580776;1395775458;asciilifeform;perhaps i'm thick, but it still seems to me like the biggest winners on bitbet ought to be folks sitting on the right side of an information asymmetry. 580777;1395775486;mike_c;that is the case for all parimutuel wagering 580778;1395775503;asciilifeform;e.g. the ones who 'know', with a good degree of confidence, that difficulty will drop on day x, because they can personally pull the plug on a chinese minerfarm - etc 580779;1395775504;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hence the "mine google" approach 580780;1395775516;mike_c;good handicappers at the racetrack know a shitload more than me about horses. 580781;1395775517;mircea_popescu;no see, because you confuse information and action here. 580782;1395775529;asciilifeform;'mine google' gives a little asymmetry - 'pull plug' - more. 580783;1395775536;mircea_popescu;that's not information. 580784;1395775545;mircea_popescu;you are comparing unlike things. 580785;1395775578;mircea_popescu;in general action (pull plug) is caught in a web of actions 580786;1395775583;blackwhite;so regarding the bitcoin as property. What does that mean if I get bitcoin for the work I am doing? 580787;1395775584;mircea_popescu;and information in a web of information 580788;1395775587;blackwhite;i.e. with me design work 580789;1395775587;asciilifeform;this is a little like 'moldbug's chessboard' - fight between move-select-via-reddit vs. an actual grandmaster 580790;1395775597;mircea_popescu;it's unlikely you'll be able to breach the former in order to benefit the latter 580791;1395775611;mircea_popescu;(trivially, your curiosity as to what's inside a watch isn't worth the pirce of a watch) 580792;1395775646;asciilifeform;if 'watch' is a west german tank engine, and i'm 'gru', then it is worth 100x the price, no? 580793;1395775655;mircea_popescu;perhaps. 580794;1395775666;mircea_popescu;except the price in that edge case is infinity. 580795;1395775692;ThickAsThieves;the word "generally" appears 8 times in the IRS release 580796;1395775712;asciilifeform;eh, it was never infinity. not even close to $maxint. 580797;1395775713;mircea_popescu;so it was prepared by one Gene Rally, esq. 580798;1395775718;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you 580799;1395775721;mircea_popescu;'re thinking theft. 580800;1395775724;mircea_popescu;think free market. 580801;1395775739;ThickAsThieves;lol 580802;1395775746;asciilifeform;actually gru usually bought on the free market 580803;1395775747;ThickAsThieves;plus 5 generals 580804;1395775751;asciilifeform;the -really- free market 580805;1395775760;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, they did not. see, it wasn't a free market, but at the other end of things 580806;1395775767;asciilifeform;western tech co. wants to sell, forbidden by own government 580807;1395775772;mircea_popescu;(ie, in a free market neither the gru nor the nazis could have existed) 580808;1395775776;asciilifeform;polite gentleman offers 100x the usual price 580809;1395775786;asciilifeform;point 580810;1395775805;mircea_popescu;so in general arguing "in this inefficient case the inefficiency could be used like so" 580811;1395775818;mircea_popescu;misses the point that you'd have to construct that inefficiency first, which precludes the use economically. 580812;1395775853;asciilifeform;i was thinking of a far more mundane aspect, where the best source of info re: the outcome of, say, athletic match, isn't 1000 googles, but the boxer who can decide to 'throw' the match 580813;1395775870;mircea_popescu;sure, but that's an entire different story than what we're doing here. 580814;1395775884;mircea_popescu;sort-of like saying "i have no need to use computers because i already know what 2+2 comes to" 580815;1395775919;asciilifeform;i was assuming that the proposal is about bitbet as it currently exists - where bests in the style of 'boxing match' are heavily represented 580816;1395775923;asciilifeform;*bets 580817;1395775953;mircea_popescu;more like a general case. 580818;1395775976;mircea_popescu;moreover, the whole thing is begging the question. "how do you make money if you know how to make money already ?" "in the manner you know". 580819;1395775984;mircea_popescu;as opposed to, "how do i make money ?" "like this" 580820;1395775994;asciilifeform;this reminds me of an idea that i (and probably everybody) had at one point - a betting engine with auto-resolution using google (or some other mechanical process) 580821;1395776017;mircea_popescu;that's a much harder problem. 580822;1395776025;asciilifeform;truly. 580823;1395776050;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/1a702f2098bece1183afc38a35f98035/tumblr_meylr9rYLe1qmiugko1_1280.jpg 580824;1395776052;mircea_popescu;have a slut instead. 580825;1395776059;mircea_popescu;electric tape ftw. 580826;1395776072;asciilifeform;if it existed, it would gravitationally move the planet's spammers and 'seo' scum the way the moon moves the ocean. 580827;1395776106;mircea_popescu;lol 580828;1395776488;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00095617 = 12.6214 BTC [+] {2} 580829;1395776489;blackwhite;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-25/bitcoin-is-property-not-currency-in-tax-system-irs-says.html 580830;1395776490;ozbot;Bitcoin Is Property Not Currency in Tax System, IRS Says - Bloomberg 580831;1395776492;blackwhite;in danish 580832;1395776502;blackwhite;Denmark i mean 580833;1395776503;blackwhite;http://epn.dk/samfund/politik/ECE6587289/afgoerelse-gevinster-fra-bitcoins-er-skattefrie/ 580834;1395776511;blackwhite;IRS just ruled that its not taxable 580835;1395776521;blackwhite;(the article is in Danish) 580836;1395776542;asciilifeform;blackwhite: no such thing. the decree sums to 'as taxable as cement' 580837;1395776559;blackwhite;? 580838;1395776567;blackwhite;IRS in Denmark (called Skat) 580839;1395776572;asciilifeform;;;google Wickard v. Filburn 580840;1395776573;gribble;Wickard v. Filburn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn>; Wickard v. Filburn | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago-Kent College of ...: <http://www.oyez.org/cases/1940-1949/1942/1942_59/>; Wickard v. Filburn – Case Brief Summary - Lawnix: <http://www.lawnix.com/cases/wickard-filburn.html> 580841;1395776585;asciilifeform;required reading to understand how u.s. totalitarian system got its beginning 580842;1395776594;blackwhite;not sure I understand 580843;1395776604;blackwhite;The IRS in the US ruled it's property 580844;1395776610;blackwhite;the IRS in Denmark ruled it's not taxable 580845;1395776618;asciilifeform;aha denmark 580846;1395776635;asciilifeform;intro for noobs. in the u.s., the central government was once traditionally limited to regulating 'interstate commerce' 580847;1395776653;asciilifeform;then, there was a court case, where they ruled that, in essence, a fart is 'interstate commerce' 580848;1395776659;asciilifeform;because you could have bottled and sold the fart 580849;1395776672;asciilifeform;and hence it would have affected the price of bottled farts interstate markets 580850;1395776697;asciilifeform;(anyone who thinks that this is an exaggeration, look up the case) 580851;1395776741;asciilifeform;the losing side (a farmer) was required to burn his crop. 580852;1395776759;asciilifeform;because not burning it could affect the market price. 580853;1395776779;ThickAsThieves;The Court decided that Filburn's wheat growing activities reduced the amount of wheat he would buy for chicken feed on the open market, and because wheat was traded nationally, Filburn's production of more wheat than he was allotted was affecting interstate commerce. Thus, Filburn's production could be regulated by the federal government. 580854;1395776859;Mats_cd03;> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Lopez 580855;1395777116;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/03/todashev-doj.pdf 580856;1395777149;asciilifeform;tldr - government report excusing the execution of a famous suspect, claims that he reached for... a sword. 580857;1395777167;asciilifeform;(extrajudicial execution, naturally) 580858;1395777525;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.10144642 = 1.6231 BTC [-] {2} 580859;1395777681;asciilifeform;from the loltron: 580860;1395777681;asciilifeform;https://www.cyberguerrilla.org/blog/?p=17789 580861;1395777683;ozbot;CyberGuerrilla soApboX » Ukrainian leakage once again. 580862;1395777703;asciilifeform;(file under 'fiat problems') 580863;1395777746;Mats_cd03;"While the Assisting Trooper attempted unsuccessfully to draw his handgun" the 2 second rule nearly prevails once again 580864;1395777848;Mats_cd03;Should've watched tom cruise for pro tips http://youtu.be/UiqwF_Y9S5Q 580865;1395777867;mircea_popescu;Lawrence Tierney was pretty cool 580866;1395777931;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ThickAsThieves amusingly, there was recently a very similar case re milk. 580867;1395777952;Mats_cd03;Back to Bataan i haven't seen in some time 580868;1395777957;mircea_popescu;some california producer that made butter out of its own milk was forced to stop selling it because it had an unfair advantage. 580869;1395777990;asciilifeform;waiting for timoshenko et al to proclaim that yesterday's 'leaked nixon tape' of her asking fellow ua fucktards 'can't we find a nuke with which to cleanse the russian scum' - in perfect russian - is fake 580870;1395778006;Mats_cd03;Hahaha 580871;1395778012;jurov;she did already 580872;1395778044;asciilifeform;jurov: i have this crap set to 'interrupt', not 'poll', so i might be a little behind. 580873;1395778117;jurov;she apparently tweeted it (but these slovak scumbags did not link it) 580874;1395778181;mircea_popescu;the consensus in the harem seems to be that these chechen boyz (as typified by todashev) sure are pretty 580875;1395778196;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.05526164 = 0.7184 BTC [-] {3} 580876;1395778197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.04999999 = 0.75 BTC [+] {3} 580877;1395778198;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-] 580878;1395778201;mircea_popescu;now how the fuck can women tell who the violent males are ? he looks totally harmless to me. 580879;1395778251;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they're cult figures here in usa. tabloid magazine covers were printed with special magnified mug shots for their wanking. 580880;1395778258;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05360007 = 0.1072 BTC [-] {2} 580881;1395778259;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] {2} 580882;1395778261;BingoBoingo;http://gawker.com/freejahar-when-conspiracy-theorists-and-one-direction-478152664 580883;1395778261;ozbot;#FreeJahar: When Conspiracy Theorists and One Direction Fans Collide 580884;1395778276;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun think they recognised the face. 580885;1395778288;BingoBoingo;The younger one has had a Beiber like fanbase for some time since his arrest. 580886;1395778320;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 580887;1395778440;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00298999 = 0.1435 BTC [-] {2} 580888;1395778450;ThickAsThieves;i wonder what my tax penalties will be for all that unreported WoW gold 580889;1395778484;bitcoinpete;I'm just going to quietly leave this here: http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/progress-pies-and-profit/ 580890;1395778501;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0503988 = 0.4032 BTC [+] 580891;1395778513;ThickAsThieves;bitcoinpete, did you program your HootSuite to post that to IRC? ;) 580892;1395778515;diametric;ThickAsThieves: none, since Blizzard explicitly states ownership of the gold belongs to them. 580893;1395778535;bitcoinpete;It has too many footnotes, too many airquotes, and is a bit long (and therefore error-prone). 580894;1395778538;mircea_popescu;diametric so how much are THEY paying ? 580895;1395778544;diametric;Technically USD you made illegitimately would be taxed as income, just as any other illegitimate sale 580896;1395778551;bitcoinpete;ThickAsThieves: you'd swear! lol 580897;1395778563;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05598999 = 0.3919 BTC [+] 580898;1395778565;diametric;mircea_popescu: oh none of course since nothing gets realized 580899;1395778574;mircea_popescu;oh i see. but some WoW gold IS sold for usd. 580900;1395778580;diametric;not legitimately 580901;1395778580;mircea_popescu;;;buy wow gold 580902;1395778580;gribble;Error: 'wow' is not a valid positive floating point number. 580903;1395778586;mircea_popescu;;;google buy wow gold 580904;1395778586;gribble;IGE.com - WoW Gold - GW2 Gold - D3 Gold - Buy Safe, Fast and ...: <http://www.ige.com/>; Buy WOW Gold, World of Warcraft Gold, Diablo 3 gold from IGXE.com.: <http://www.igxe.com/>; Buy WOW Gold,Fast and Cheap WOW Gold for Sale!: <http://www.wowgold-sales.com/> 580905;1395778595;mircea_popescu;diametric well, bitcoin is not sold for usd any more legitimately. 580906;1395778602;mircea_popescu;they're both sold on the grounds of possesion, without title. 580907;1395778619;mircea_popescu;and actually... wow gold to usd exchanges are older and a lot more stable than btc to usd exchanges. 580908;1395778624;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05598999 = 0.112 BTC [+] 580909;1395778629;diametric;mircea_popescu: in the same way if I stole your TV and sold it, you're not responsible for capital gains on it. 580910;1395778635;asciilifeform;ianal, but the linked proclamation seems to declare 'legitimacy' for this purpose 580911;1395778636;diametric;mircea_popescu: people selling wow gold is technically stealing it. 580912;1395778643;bitcoinpete;ThickAsThieves: I've been keeping up with the logs at least :) 580913;1395778644;ThickAsThieves;not really diametric 580914;1395778644;diametric;they need to pay taxes, but blizzard doesn't. 580915;1395778653;ThickAsThieves;more like if i sold you my checkign account password 580916;1395778666;mircea_popescu;diametric people selling btc are equally "technically" stealing it. 580917;1395778681;asciilifeform;it even demands that miners pay tax, the same way farmers are made to 580918;1395778684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00298999 = 0.2541 BTC [-] 580919;1395778699;asciilifeform;(afaik it is technically illegal to be a subsistence farmer in the u.s.) 580920;1395778728;diametric;ThickAsThieves: all of this in Blizzard's eyes constitutes theft of intellectual property 580921;1395778746;mircea_popescu;but that's really besides the point. 580922;1395778762;ThickAsThieves;and pretty hard to defend surely 580923;1395778765;mircea_popescu;people trading wow gold exchange possession without title. 580924;1395778781;mircea_popescu;people trading btc idem exchange possession without title. 580925;1395778785;ThickAsThieves;game currency can be shown to have real world value 580926;1395778799;ThickAsThieves;regardless of issuer and the rules it imposes 580927;1395778805;diametric;I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm telling you having actually talked to Blizzard's legal team what they believe 580928;1395778816;diametric;it of course has never been challenged 580929;1395778817;mircea_popescu;in neither case a representation is made as to transfer of title, which makes blizzard's ip assertions irrelevant. 580930;1395778819;asciilifeform;my understanding is that selling 'wow gold' is quite like sub-leasing an apartment where the original lease forbade it 580931;1395778830;mircea_popescu;o i know what they believe. 580932;1395778841;mircea_popescu;it's just that they can believe in one hand and piss in the other, see which gets warm first. 580933;1395778842;asciilifeform;in the usa, if someone hands you money, or cement, etc. for whatever reason, it is officially taxable 580934;1395778851;diametric;asciilifeform: of course 580935;1395778854;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but not if someone hands you a dream. 580936;1395778856;bounce;er. if nobody "owning" WoW gold can hold title then even "stolen" (or traded, or whatever) gold is held without title, and so it canot possibly be theft, now can it? 580937;1395778860;diametric;which I said those selling the wow gold are liable for taxes 580938;1395778863;diametric;but not blizzard 580939;1395778867;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform again : i can hit you over the head with the cement. 580940;1395778887;mircea_popescu;diametric bounce has it. 580941;1395778901;mircea_popescu;either it's not taxable throughout, except for realisation 580942;1395778905;mircea_popescu;or else blizzard owes tax. 580943;1395778909;ThickAsThieves;would my monthly WoW fee now be an expense? 580944;1395778919;Apocalyptic;ThickAsThieves, you're a WoW player ? 580945;1395778922;diametric;ThickAsThieves: I don't see why not. 580946;1395778922;ThickAsThieves;to maintain the value of the gold i hold? 580947;1395778924;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you could claim that for a long time, actually. 580948;1395778933;ThickAsThieves;i dont play anymnore 580949;1395778937;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly to this discussion 580950;1395778939;ThickAsThieves;i used to 580951;1395778962;ThickAsThieves;from Burning Crusade to WotLK 580952;1395778973;asciilifeform;my understanding is, if i'm shot walking on the street, i theoretically owe 9g of Pb worth of tax on the windfall of perfectly good lead. 580953;1395778976;ThickAsThieves;i bought both gold and accounts 580954;1395779012;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is true. but, again, with pb i can hit you over the head. 580955;1395779013;diametric;I've done a lot of things with WoW over the years before I quit about 3 years ago 580956;1395779018;ThickAsThieves;and the hospital had commited theft if they did not produce the lead back to the owner 580957;1395779021;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is not like pb, or oranges, or cement. 580958;1395779037;jurov;don't give anybody a reason to use silver bullets then 580959;1395779050;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 580960;1395779056;ThickAsThieves;Werewolves Rejoice! 580961;1395779056;mike_c;if my employer pays me in stock, i owe taxes. can't hit me in the head with that 580962;1395779059;bounce;well, as long as they steal the tax obligation with it, I suppose I can live with it 580963;1395779060;diametric;More interesting is EVE, where earned ISK in game can be realized into a membership 580964;1395779072;the20year3;http://www.kwqc.com/story/25060066/razor-blades-injure-2-year-old-in-east-moline 580965;1395779077;asciilifeform;i think everyone here is aware of the practical difference btween btc and cement. but the bureaucrats aren't - or will pretend, at any rate, for as long as it remains possible 580966;1395779082;mircea_popescu;mike_c yep, i can. 580967;1395779096;ThickAsThieves;Dota 2 gets intricate too, the more i play the more items i get, they provide a market for selling items for USD credit 580968;1395779096;mircea_popescu;stock is a portion of the business, so i get a brick out of the building that is represented by the stock 580969;1395779098;mircea_popescu;and hit you with that. 580970;1395779118;mike_c;it's a zero-asset company :) 580971;1395779119;mircea_popescu;diametric or rift, same thing. 580972;1395779120;bounce;at least the tax office rarely is interested in anything but taxability 580973;1395779130;mircea_popescu;mike_c there exist no fiat zero asset corps. 580974;1395779136;mircea_popescu;see how neatly this all locks together ? :D 580975;1395779160;ThickAsThieves;the IRS makes no effort to define a virtual currency either 580976;1395779186;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's fine and dandy, but the best way for their pretense to remain standing is for tem to vehehery carefully steer out of the way of their masters. 580977;1395779186;mike_c;i do see your point, but i agree with ascii. it makes no practical difference since the bureaucrats will not recognize said difference. 580978;1395779191;mircea_popescu;ie, the people who can piss on the sugar. 580979;1395779191;bounce;IMO bit of a failing of government to stick to asking whether they can get away with taxing, and not asking whether they should 580980;1395779197;asciilifeform;my guess is that no serious effort will be made to actually collect the tax. rather, it will be used as a scourge against folks who need to be 'lettre de cachet'-d. 580981;1395779198;mircea_popescu;mike_c o yes it does. 580982;1395779205;mircea_popescu;men made out of paper are not to play with matches. 580983;1395779211;mircea_popescu;irrespective of the relative sizes. 580984;1395779296;asciilifeform;;;google three felonies 580985;1395779297;gribble;Three-strikes law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law>; Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent: Harvey ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229>; Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent: Harvey A ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target- (1 more message) 580986;1395779301;mike_c;asciilifeform: indeed. how exactly would they make an effort to collect anyway? impossible. 580987;1395779302;asciilifeform;in this spirit 580988;1395779324;ThickAsThieves;it's also an absurd degree of taxation: say i buy a Walmart Gift Card with btc, i should pay sales tax, gains tax, then the seller reports profit and is taxed, revenue used to pay employees is taxed. then you tack on the accounting burden on both sides, plus the seller's burden as tax collector 580989;1395779325;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's bs, imo. 580990;1395779374;mircea_popescu;specifically : people who are already defeated take into consideration nonsense such as "oh but the feds have a 9x% conviction rate" as a ready-made excuse to settle. 580991;1395779382;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, five people don't settle and the entire system collapses in flames. 580992;1395779404;mircea_popescu;it's difficult to overstate just how fragile the entire morloch actually is. 580993;1395779412;ThickAsThieves;then when you use the gift card all that happens again 580994;1395779418;mircea_popescu;for all the appearance and pretense of stolid solidity. 580995;1395779462;asciilifeform;;;google solzhenitsyn axe 580996;1395779463;gribble;Quote by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn : And how we burned in the ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/34738-and-how-we-burned-in-the-camps-later-thinking-what>; Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Quotes (Author of One Day in the Life of ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/10420.Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn>; The Gulag Archipelago - Wikiquote: (1 more message) 580997;1395779476;mircea_popescu;yeah yeah. 580998;1395779480;mircea_popescu;there's no stalin running the us. 580999;1395779491;mircea_popescu;and without an actual man, there's no actual power. 581000;1395779501;mircea_popescu;just a bunch of sterile 37 yo women running around in circles, wailing. 581001;1395779538;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1834 @ 0.00095355 = 1.7488 BTC [-] 581002;1395779547;asciilifeform;heretic david koresh (sp?) crunched under tank treads, with his men. and yet no stalin. 581003;1395779549;mircea_popescu;but anyway : the hissing of the serpent is easily ignored, until the point you cross its boundary. 581004;1395779599;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 32 @ 0.10144642 = 3.2463 BTC [-] 581005;1395779646;asciilifeform;morloch << molloch worshipped by morlocks? i like it 581006;1395779656;mircea_popescu;hehe 581007;1395779660;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00298998 = 0.1166 BTC [-] 581008;1395779694;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in the spirit of that example, 1mn people killed on highways each year, no stalin. 581009;1395779721;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-] 581010;1395779731;asciilifeform;that's more in the department of 'Lord Hunger' 581011;1395779749;asciilifeform;'Царь Голод' (in the original) 581012;1395779773;asciilifeform;lord hunger, lord plague, lord 'pileup' 581013;1395779776;ThickAsThieves;"Google's new cloud storage prices are as low as $0.026 per gigabyte as a flat rate, far below Amazon's lowest offering of $0.037 per gigabyte, which kicks in if you're holding terabytes of data in the AWS cloud." 581014;1395779788;mircea_popescu;at any rate. the waco debacle has been perhaps the costliest enforcing action by the various bureaus 581015;1395779801;mircea_popescu;nearly ended the batf 581016;1395779824;asciilifeform;no more than recent events end nsa 581017;1395779835;asciilifeform;so a few neon signs get swapped for new ones 581018;1395779840;asciilifeform;business as usual 581019;1395779841;mircea_popescu;nsa is pretty much finished, yes. 581020;1395779843;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07000012 = 1.4 BTC [-] {2} 581021;1395779844;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05598997 = 0.168 BTC [-] 581022;1395779849;mircea_popescu;not really that simple. 581023;1395779868;asciilifeform;;;google Church Committee 1975 581024;1395779868;gribble;Church Committee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee>; Church Committee Created - US Senate: <http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Church_Committee_Created.htm>; Church Committee - US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence: <http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/churchcommittee.html> 581025;1395779881;asciilifeform;;;google mk ultra 581026;1395779882;gribble;Project MKUltra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra>; History of MK-ULTRA. CIA program on Mind Control.: <http://www.mindspring.com/~txporter/sec3.htm>; CIA Mind Control Operation MK-ULTRA - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i46RI2twVao> 581027;1395779897;asciilifeform;afaik all of these folks (or younger successors) are still employed 581028;1395779901;mircea_popescu;And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with te 581029;1395779901;mircea_popescu;rror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? 581030;1395779906;mircea_popescu;quite excellent points. 581031;1395779907;ThickAsThieves;lol [KS] (KS]@thinks.the.feds.are.investigat.in) has joined #bitcoin-assets 581032;1395779913;mircea_popescu;brings to mind a spirited debate 581033;1395779917;mircea_popescu;;;google trilema vina batranilor 581034;1395779918;gribble;Aprilie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/04>; Cocietate si Sultura pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/cocietate-si-sultura/> 581035;1395779923;mircea_popescu;meh 581036;1395779940;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/vina-batranilor/ 581037;1395779941;ozbot;Vina batranilor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 581038;1395780039;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that piece seems to be about 'говноеды' ('shit-eaters') no? 581039;1395780048;asciilifeform;the happily-colonized folks 581040;1395780077;asciilifeform;'In examining different kinds of agents, people from the free world who have sold themselves to the GRU, one cannot avoid touching on yet another category, perhaps the least appealing of all. Officially one is not allowed to call them agents, and they are not agents in the full sense of being recruited agents. We are talking about the numerous members of overseas societies of friendship with the Soviet Union. 581041;1395780077;asciilifeform;Officially, all Soviet representatives regard these parasites with touching feelings of friendship, but privately they call them 'shit-eaters' ('govnoed'). It is difficult to say where this expression originated, but it is truly the only name they deserve. The use of this word has become so firmly entrenched in Soviet embassies that it is impossible to imagine any other name for these people. A conversation mi 581042;1395780078;asciilifeform;ght run as follows: Today we've got a friendship evening with shit-eaters', or Today we're having some shit-eaters to dinner. Prepare a suitable menu'.' 581043;1395780089;asciilifeform;(rezun's classic 'soviet military intelligence') 581044;1395780091;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty much 581045;1395780119;mircea_popescu;afaik it originated with hruschev 581046;1395780123;mircea_popescu;always a man of his words. 581047;1395780227;jurov;and they really thought such foreign policy is sustainable? 581048;1395780246;jurov;or sustainability is not in russian vocabulary? 581049;1395780252;mircea_popescu;sorta like all the numerous "ngos" 581050;1395780256;mircea_popescu;dotting the landscape these days. 581051;1395780263;mircea_popescu;saving animals and the environment and whatnot. 581052;1395780279;asciilifeform;afaik most modern despots would be quite satisfied with ancient egypt's 5000 yrs of 'sustain' 581053;1395780282;mircea_popescu;who thinks the crap is "sustainable" and what's sustainable even mean in that context 581054;1395780292;asciilifeform;hell, modest '1000 year reich' 581055;1395780313;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform notice how it compresses. 581056;1395780319;asciilifeform;even these are growing more modest. wait for the 100 year reich. 10. 581057;1395780327;mircea_popescu;"civitas aeterna" 581058;1395780331;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.0009535 = 14.4932 BTC [-] 581059;1395780331;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [-] {2} 581060;1395780337;asciilifeform;what is 'startup' crapola if not 'the 1-year reich' 581061;1395780351;bounce;can just declare the 10 day reich at home then. take two weeks off, nobody notices. success. 581062;1395780360;mircea_popescu;:D 581063;1395780376;mike_c;US became boss, what, when USSR dissolved? 20 years so far. 581064;1395780405;mircea_popescu;mike_c the us was boss roughly speaking 1915 - 1980 581065;1395780408;bounce;or ten minutes a day, every day. just need staying power. 581066;1395780410;asciilifeform;reich is not a chess clock. 581067;1395780416;mircea_popescu;usa and ussr dissolved really at the same time 581068;1395780419;mircea_popescu;only one admitted to it. 581069;1395780444;asciilifeform;obligatory: 581070;1395780445;asciilifeform;http://www.resilience.org/stories/2006-12-04/closing-collapse-gap-ussr-was-better-prepared-collapse-us 581071;1395780445;ozbot;Closing the 'Collapse Gap': the USSR was better prepared for collapse than the US 581072;1395780449;bounce;the US found new enemies to fight, as it is wont to do 581073;1395780463;asciilifeform;colourful pictures, short sentences. works even for children. 581074;1395780591;bounce;how long did the ottoman empire take to collapse? 581075;1395780679;asciilifeform;bounce: perhaps you know how long it lives as 'vegetable', on european loans / shared tech / refraining from zapping 581076;1395780683;asciilifeform;*lived 581077;1395780700;mircea_popescu;bounce cca a century. 581078;1395780711;mircea_popescu;as an english buffer of sorts. 581079;1395780732;asciilifeform;or hell, why turks were invited into nato 581080;1395780737;asciilifeform;(same reason) 581081;1395780757;mircea_popescu;actually it was sensible. turkey should have been taken into the eu in 2006 581082;1395780764;mircea_popescu;that'd have fully avoided the eu crisis. 581083;1395780776;mircea_popescu;same thing had the us the ballsack to make iraq the 51st state 581084;1395780782;asciilifeform;lol! 581085;1395780788;mircea_popescu;thinkaboutit.jpg 581086;1395780801;mircea_popescu;i know i would have, congress be damned. 581087;1395780817;bounce;with erdogan in office? bit against what the eu purports to stand for. 581088;1395780859;mircea_popescu;nobody asks the eu what it wants to stand for tho. 581089;1395780870;mircea_popescu;the only way to use money in 2006 would have been to lift up turkey. 581090;1395780872;ThickAsThieves;makes sense to me, you go into a country and have your military running the place for a decade, why not just stake claim? 581091;1395780873;jurov;how would it avoid the crisis? 581092;1395780875;mircea_popescu;similarly for dollars and iraq 581093;1395780880;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.056 = 0.56 BTC [+] 581094;1395780883;mircea_popescu;jurov because it gives economy something to do. 581095;1395780889;mircea_popescu;suddenly there's all these schools to build. 581096;1395780896;mircea_popescu;all these bank branches 581097;1395780906;mircea_popescu;and omfg those iraquis don't even get pottery barn catalogs daily ?! 581098;1395780909;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reminds me of, in reverse: '...Идет пленум ЦК, Генеральный секретарь читает доклад: Больших успехов достигли хлеборобы Кубанщины, Ставропольщины, Смоленщины, Техасщины, Колорадщины.' 581099;1395780914;asciilifeform;trans.: 581100;1395780933;B007;asciilifeform: thanks for that link 581101;1395780941;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05039878 = 0.2016 BTC [+] 581102;1395780976;asciilifeform;[context: pres. carter dreams a bad dream] - 'plenum of central committee. ussr gensec reads report: great successes by the bread farmers of Kuban, Stavropol, Smolensk, Texas, Colorado provinces...' 581103;1395780989;mircea_popescu;i wonder how long till #bitcoin-assets gets the webby awards for the coolest place on the web 581104;1395780994;mircea_popescu;o wait, webby no longer exists huh. 581105;1395780996;mircea_popescu;awww. 581106;1395781003;asciilifeform;surely not for this. 581107;1395781010;jurov;so mircea think "cohesion" transfers to turkey would not caouse even bigger crisis? 581108;1395781020;asciilifeform;i think everyone east of berlin knows that joke 581109;1395781048;bounce;anyway, apropos churchill re americans, the eurocrats have a good track record of starting the same but finishing in the same way hasn't been in strong evidence 581110;1395781112;mike_c;webby alive and kicking. https://www.webbyawards.com/ 581111;1395781130;asciilifeform;perhaps we can win a tcpipy. or something. 581112;1395781132;mircea_popescu;jurov pretty sure it wouldn't, no. 581113;1395781144;mircea_popescu;mike_c ya but you know what i mean. or do you ? 581114;1395781145;asciilifeform;;;google fukuppy 581115;1395781146;gribble;Meet Fukuppy, the inadvertent Fukushima mascot | World news ...: <http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/15/fukuppy-fukushima-mascot-japan-fridge-egg-name>; Fukuppy, Fukushima Industries new mascot, is branding disaster ...: <http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/fukuppy-fukushima-industries-new-mascot-is-branding-disaster-8881883.html>; Fukushima Industries New 'Fukuppy' (1 more message) 581116;1395781161;B007;it's hard to image some of those things happening in the us when it collapses because of its private sector though 581117;1395781166;mike_c;hey, i was nominated for two webbys just 3 years ago :) 581118;1395781172;mircea_popescu;lmao 581119;1395781174;bounce;greece is a shambles, but so far hasn't been too good for the eu economy as a whole. how would turkey have been different? 581120;1395781182;mircea_popescu;in other news, some guy sold 3500 records debuted in the billboard 581121;1395781186;mircea_popescu;B007 what private sector ? 581122;1395781208;B007;all the private companies, landlords 581123;1395781259;mircea_popescu;name one ? 581124;1395781309;jurov;B007: detroit has had very strong private sector once 581125;1395781346;mike_c;^ excellent point. 581126;1395781375;B007;google 581127;1395781490;jurov;yeah, google tends to support common good such as... public transport ? :DDD 581128;1395781551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05039878 = 0.1512 BTC [+] 581129;1395781560;jurov;whole internet pokes fun of google buses by now 581130;1395781600;mircea_popescu;google is tenuously a private sector corp. 581131;1395781612;mircea_popescu;it's basically supported by govt-sponsored spending. 581132;1395781656;jurov;wherever the money comes from, their mindset will be utterly useless in collapse 581133;1395781694;B007;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_manufacturing_companies_by_revenue 581134;1395781695;ozbot;List of largest manufacturing companies by revenue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 581135;1395781699;mircea_popescu;where the money comes from shapes the mindset. 581136;1395781710;mircea_popescu;that's why start-ups can be easily destroyed by getting the wrong money sources early. 581137;1395781724;B007;why would the govt sponser google? 581138;1395781739;mircea_popescu;general electric, ford and hp are all kept on respirators by public usg spending. 581139;1395781748;mircea_popescu;B007 because it can't avoid it. 581140;1395781774;mircea_popescu;tbh procter and gamble may be the first item on that list able to duke it on its own 581141;1395781784;mircea_popescu;barely top 50 581142;1395781795;B007;any facts about money google receives from govt? 581143;1395781854;mircea_popescu;you familiar with the yahoo dotcom boom cycle ? 581144;1395781894;mircea_popescu;(if not, graham explains it better than i could : http://www.paulgraham.com/yahoo.html ) 581145;1395782100;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07379499 = 0.1476 BTC [-] 581146;1395782101;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-] 581147;1395782102;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.0029 = 0.1044 BTC [-] 581148;1395782255;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: quite enjoyed your fun article. the sizes of the gaps between those layers is nothing to sneeze at :) 581149;1395782282;TestingUnoDosTre;<B007>: interesting list, never heard of Hon Hai Precision Industries before 581150;1395782339;mircea_popescu;should have a bet as to wehen the first bitcoin corp makes the top 581151;1395782349;bounce;holding corp of... foxconn, wasn't it? 581152;1395782384;bitcoinpete;http://venturebeat.com/2014/03/25/kraken-a-bitcoin-exchange-raises-5m/ 581153;1395782384;ozbot;Kraken, a Bitcoin exchange, raises $5M | VentureBeat | Deals | by J. O'Dell 581154;1395782408;bitcoinpete;apologies if repost 581155;1395782530;B007;so if google in the next yahoo, who is the next google? 581156;1395782542;mircea_popescu;yeah hon hai is mostly foxconn 581157;1395782547;mircea_popescu;funny how it ranks above apple. 581158;1395782553;mircea_popescu;B007 mpoe. 581159;1395782712;TestingUnoDosTre;<bounce> looks like you're correct 581160;1395782870;mircea_popescu;"If circumstances had been different, the people running Yahoo might have realized sooner how important search was. But they had the most opaque obstacle in the world between them and the truth: money." 581161;1395782876;mircea_popescu;epic quote. 581162;1395782885;mircea_popescu;lampelina and who might you be ? 581163;1395782962;mike_c;lampelina runs b-a.com now. hopefully she will remove the password requirement soon ;) 581164;1395782988;asciilifeform;http://forums.3dtotal.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=168068 ? 581165;1395783038;jurov;hehe 581166;1395783064;jurov;no they guessed right that advertising is important. search is "only" the precursor for the addiction 581167;1395783179;bounce;TestingUnoDosTre: I didn't say that 581168;1395783219;mircea_popescu;haha 581169;1395783223;thestringpuller;lole MPOE is not an options emporium anymore 581170;1395783228;thestringpuller;lolololol 581171;1395783492;B007;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/irs-bitcoin-is-property-like-a-stock-or-bond-and-not-a-currency/ 581172;1395783492;ozbot;IRS: Bitcoin is property, like a stock or bond, and not a currency | Ars Technica 581173;1395783503;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.61076841 = 10.3831 BTC [-] {8} 581174;1395783504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07379689 = 0.1476 BTC [+] 581175;1395783924;B007;http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/397-billion-fighter-jet-deployment-may-be-delayed-by-software-glitches/ 581176;1395783927;ozbot;$397 billion fighter jet deployment may be delayed by software glitches | Ars Technica 581177;1395783954;asciilifeform;B007: since when, 1970? it's the same airplane every time 581178;1395783969;mircea_popescu;lol 581179;1395784006;mike_c;it's good to be lockheed.. best lobbyists in the industry. 581180;1395784017;lampelina;mike_c, will do my best for site to be up asap 581181;1395784026;benkay;thestringpuller: 'mpoe' is now an artifact of history 581182;1395784039;mircea_popescu;soo... inb4 500 bitcointalk threads where all sorts of experts explain how mp was indeed right and they were indeed clueless ? 581183;1395784113;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1465 @ 0.00013502 = 0.1978 BTC [+] {4} 581184;1395784143;mike_c;lampelina: no rush, just teasing. good luck running it. 581185;1395784178;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/lampelina ftr 581186;1395784179;ozbot;Maja L. (lampelina) on Twitter 581187;1395784261;mircea_popescu;"It's hard for anyone much younger than me to understand the fear Microsoft still inspired in 1995." 581188;1395784263;mircea_popescu;ehehehe 581189;1395784277;mircea_popescu;i think it'll be hard for anyone born after 1990 or so to even understand fear. 581190;1395784390;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3129759496251093@naggum.no.html 581191;1395784390;ozbot;Re: A draft business plan for free software LISP vendors - Naggum cll archive 581192;1395784394;B007;what is fear? 581193;1395784398;asciilifeform;(re: microshit) 581194;1395784418;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05039673 = 0.1512 BTC [+] 581195;1395784441;mircea_popescu;B007 fear is when you understand what kills you before it actually does. 581196;1395784464;mircea_popescu;just another way of not being dumb as rocks, as it were. 581197;1395784477;asciilifeform;on the flip side of this, 'coward dies a thousand deaths, brave man - one' 581198;1395784499;mike_c;say what you will about "microshit", but bill gates was/is a hell of a businessman. 581199;1395784517;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a brave man and a fearless man don't map well. 581200;1395784540;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00095273 = 6.4309 BTC [-] 581201;1395784540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05039873 = 0.1008 BTC [+] {2} 581202;1395784542;mike_c;he justifiably instilled more fear than steve jobs ever did. 581203;1395784543;asciilifeform;well yes. the latter is more like the famous disease where the victim cannot feel pain. 581204;1395784585;asciilifeform;mike_c: the microshit style of 'doing business' goes a long way to explaining the popularity of communism, etc. among technical types. 581205;1395784593;mike_c;whaat? 581206;1395784601;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0560714 = 0.3925 BTC [+] {3} 581207;1395784602;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 581208;1395784608;mike_c;how so? 581209;1395784614;mircea_popescu;"nobody should have the power to tell us what to do" 581210;1395784641;BingoBoingo;Does S.NSA have a LISP fighter jet in its long term plans? 581211;1395784645;mike_c;nobody does have the power to tell the powerful what to do. mp has stated that some 5 million times. 581212;1395784656;asciilifeform;the notion that ms turdware is a product of any kind of free market or competition on technical merit is a real comedy. 581213;1395784660;mircea_popescu;mike_c but how dares microsoft tell x y z ppl what to do! 581214;1395784662;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04710002 = 0.1884 BTC [-] 581215;1395784674;mircea_popescu;"well ithas the money" "well then money is bad" 581216;1395784678;mike_c;asciilifeform: hence his business acumen. 581217;1395784697;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let's argue this. 581218;1395784727;mircea_popescu;when microsoft was born, ibm was much larger. how did it eat ibm's lunch ? 581219;1395784727;asciilifeform;mike_c: by that token, we should look up to 1990s russian mob as business teachers. 'take contract on creditor when cheaper than paying back loan', rectothermal cryptoanalysis, the joys. 581220;1395784754;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i presume you know the story of msdos 581221;1395784756;mike_c;microsoft didn't shove a cattle prod up anyone's ass. 581222;1395784764;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i do. what part of that is not free market ? 581223;1395784777;asciilifeform;inherited ibm's monopoly 581224;1395784783;mircea_popescu;why didn't you ? 581225;1395784784;asciilifeform;ultimately usg sponsored. 581226;1395784843;asciilifeform;and if that were the end... then, bundling pacts with pc makers, the collusion with intel to kill 'os/2' (secret cpu instructions), many other wonderful things 581227;1395784859;diametric;i miss os/2. 581228;1395784871;mircea_popescu;so these are not free market ? 581229;1395784905;asciilifeform;i suppose ms turdows being mandatory os of usg is also free market ? 581230;1395784906;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0564999 = 0.226 BTC [+] 581231;1395784915;mircea_popescu;it wasn't born that way. 581232;1395784928;mike_c;^ i think you are underestimating what it took to build the monolopy. 581233;1395784932;mircea_popescu;so now, the "competition on technical merit" leg of your statement, i see 581234;1395784937;mircea_popescu;the free market leg however, i do not. 581235;1395784968;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0564999 = 0.113 BTC [+] 581236;1395784969;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] 581237;1395785006;mircea_popescu;i'll readily grant that it didn't operate in any kind of free market in the 90s. but your statement was as of product 581238;1395785091;asciilifeform;it is no coincidence, though, that ms became synonymous with 'home computer' in the 90s and not earlier. 581239;1395785128;mircea_popescu;it may be. 581240;1395785132;mircea_popescu;for instance, if jobs weren't an idiot. 581241;1395785170;mircea_popescu;shitty macs could have been synonymous with home computer 581242;1395785175;asciilifeform;much of what people think of as 'dark age' of apple corp. took place without herr jobs 581243;1395785176;mircea_popescu;with much, much worse overal effects. 581244;1395785189;mircea_popescu;fucktards running tablets today don't even realise they should be able to interact with their hard drives 581245;1395785204;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is sucvh a thing as idiocy through absence. 581246;1395785237;asciilifeform;the outcome, unsurprisingly, was the death of apple corp. (it does not really exist today, just 'next' corp. renamed 'apple') 581247;1395785248;mircea_popescu;come to think about it, i don't know there's something in the world i ever hated more than a mac, and in this sense a ms-dos pc seems a muchly preferable alternative. 581248;1395785250;mike_c;the 'dark age' of apple would have been the 'no apple' age if microsoft hadn't given them money to keep them alive. 581249;1395785277;mircea_popescu;so perhaps it was quite free market : we just got the better alternative, which sucked. 581250;1395785299;mircea_popescu;the general idiocy of "the community" ie, the paying public, being the field on which technical solutions have to live. 581251;1395785322;asciilifeform;msdos was in some very real sense 'soviet' - as in, all the known joys, but a kid can build explosive xxxx at his parents' dacha without being harassed 581252;1395785328;mircea_popescu;mike_c which kind-of explains WHY microsoft kept apple alive. 581253;1395785347;mircea_popescu;any sane dog will keep the wolf alive. 581254;1395785362;asciilifeform;in america this tactic has a name: 581255;1395785366;asciilifeform;'good cop / bad cop' 581256;1395785370;mircea_popescu;democratic party ? 581257;1395785371;mircea_popescu;aok. 581258;1395785384;mike_c;keeping apple alive prevented more DOJ attention at the time. 581259;1395785392;mircea_popescu;in soviet russia this also has a name. vrag naroda etc. 581260;1395785394;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.10144642 = 0.5072 BTC [-] 581261;1395785395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.073798 = 0.6642 BTC [+] 581262;1395785410;mircea_popescu;mike_c my meta-point is that, even if not epxlicit, what it really did was it kept people like me pacified 581263;1395785417;mike_c;hah. gotcha. 581264;1395785418;mircea_popescu;that'd otherwise have taken a flamethrower at redmond 581265;1395785434;mircea_popescu;you know, simply shot gates, instead of merely throwing pies. 581266;1395785446;bounce;er. should kids on tablets be able to interact with the hard drive? it's a bit like asking if drivers should be able to interact with their motor. plenty people prefer stick. esp. in the us plenty people *cannot drive* without automatic 581267;1395785460;mircea_popescu;what's a free market other than an endless caleidoscope of a mexican standoff 581268;1395785481;mircea_popescu;bounce also known as "plenty of people in the us cannot drive" 581269;1395785500;asciilifeform;;;google good cop/bad cop 581270;1395785500;gribble;Good cop/bad cop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_cop/bad_cop>; Good cop bad cop (disambiguation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_cop_bad_cop_(disambiguation)>; Beyond Good Cop/Bad Cop: A Look At Real-Life Interrogations : NPR: <http://www.npr.org/2013/12/05/248968150/beyond-good-cop-bad-cop-a-look-at- (1 more message) 581271;1395785509;bounce;no need to generalise the point in obvious irrelevancy though 581272;1395785515;bounce;s/in/&to/ 581273;1395785527;mircea_popescu;i guess. 581274;1395785577;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05039859 = 0.1008 BTC [+] 581275;1395785590;*;bounce recalls reading someone lamenting the world didn't go the wossname "persistent" route -- run a program, it'd auto-save to disk. next time you start it, auto-picks up where you left it. but on full OS level. 581276;1395785633;mircea_popescu;some of the early memories kinda worked this way 581277;1395785636;bounce;in such an environment it's perhaps easier to see a different abstraction than the "files in directories on drives" we more or less take for granted 581278;1395785638;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 581279;1395785639;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05039871 = 0.252 BTC [+] {2} 581280;1395785640;asciilifeform;bounce: as described in my piece, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=231 581281;1395785640;mircea_popescu;geting the damned thing to actually reboot was hell 581282;1395785656;asciilifeform;bounce: it has a name. 'orthogonal persistence' 581283;1395785677;bounce;hm think I read about it elsewhere 581284;1395785685;asciilifeform;you can actually get nonvolatile memories that work at dram speeds now. 581285;1395785691;asciilifeform;;;google MRAM 581286;1395785692;gribble;Magnetoresistive random-access memory - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoresistive_random-access_memory>; MRAM-Info | MRAM News, Resources & Information: <http://www.mram-info.com/>; Everspin Technologies, Inc.: <http://www.everspin.com/> 581287;1395785699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0565 = 0.226 BTC [+] 581288;1395785700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.05039879 = 0.252 BTC [+] 581289;1395785703;bounce;anyway, with flash-backed ram those days could be here again 581290;1395785712;mircea_popescu;also, an illustrative example of why losing weight sucks : http://24.media.tumblr.com/598ef10d6c81db95e785eb68a843857a/tumblr_mlvfgm6KdJ1r0cci7o1_1280.jpg 581291;1395785724;asciilifeform;they could. but you'd have to incinerate the legacy turdware. 581292;1395785729;asciilifeform;and probably legacy cpu archs. 581293;1395785760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05039879 = 0.2016 BTC [+] {2} 581294;1395785795;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or simply find a different application 581295;1395785807;mircea_popescu;this discussion neatly maps on the cellphone/landline discussion. 581296;1395785814;mircea_popescu;sometimes one gets a chance to start over. 581297;1395785821;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0504 = 0.2016 BTC [+] {3} 581298;1395785823;asciilifeform;correct. 581299;1395785851;asciilifeform;genuinely starting over, even in an embedded machine, has cost. see apple's 'newton'. 581300;1395785859;mircea_popescu;but sometimes that's unavoidable 581301;1395785870;mircea_popescu;as in, well, this application will require a start-over anyway 581302;1395785874;mircea_popescu;for x y z unrelated reasons 581303;1395785880;bounce;has risks though, qv second system effect 581304;1395785880;mircea_popescu;so might as well try something else. 581305;1395785916;mircea_popescu;bounce i suspect that risk is mostly mitigated by stalin 581306;1395785922;mircea_popescu;which is why stalin even exists in the first place. 581307;1395785966;bounce;'sdies, even without need you can, iff you have some vision or other to back it up. that's apparently a rare thing, seeing how there's only only jobs and a fsckton of imitators and NIH-botching immitators 581308;1395785986;mircea_popescu;indeed 581309;1395785990;mircea_popescu;what's 'sdies ? 581310;1395785998;asciilifeform;bounce: one of the purposes of stalin is to distinguish between imitators and the genuine article. 581311;1395786005;bounce;s/di/id/ 581312;1395786037;bounce;this the bloody-handed dead guy or some metaphor I'm missing a reference to? 581313;1395786055;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or moreover, to make sure that none of the imitators survive 581314;1395786063;mircea_popescu;(even should it come at a cost of a few genuine heads impaled) 581315;1395786074;asciilifeform;well, that follows naturally, no? 581316;1395786098;asciilifeform;once you determine what part of a kitchen is a cockroach and which parts aren't, the next step is clear 581317;1395786099;mircea_popescu;indeed 581318;1395786116;mircea_popescu;bounce i used it as a metaphor for a guy who says "you do what i tell you or i kill you" and then proceeds to stick to his word. 581319;1395786167;bounce;oh. AIUI he'd be wont to kill you for reasons entirely outside your control, too. well perhaps that's apt too. 581320;1395786183;mircea_popescu;surely he will. 581321;1395786197;mircea_popescu;one of the chief complaints of my slavegirls is that they have no measure of control over x 581322;1395786207;mircea_popescu;and my response invariably comes back as "tough". 581323;1395786233;bounce;you more or less sound like that turkish guy in one of the bond novels 581324;1395786276;benkay;mircea_popescu regarding weight loss: what, everything sags a little? 581325;1395786294;mircea_popescu;HOYT: State your name. 581326;1395786294;mircea_popescu;SOUP NAZI: Yev Kassem. 581327;1395786294;mircea_popescu;HOYT: Could you spell that? 581328;1395786294;mircea_popescu;SOUP NAZI: No! Next question. 581329;1395786308;bounce;not being in control and getting punished for things not under your control are different things though 581330;1395786309;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9952 @ 0.00095181 = 9.4724 BTC [-] {2} 581331;1395786310;mircea_popescu;benkay those thighs ;/ they look unwomanly. 581332;1395786364;mircea_popescu;bounce well if you're dealing with stalin, you're not getting punished. 581333;1395786367;mircea_popescu;you're getting killed. 581334;1395786373;Mats_cd03;i find the boobies to be the most erotic part of the woman 581335;1395786390;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 meet my friend freud, he has some observations to make. 581336;1395786429;Mats_cd03;does your friend freud have boobies? 581337;1395786464;B007;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-03-2014#551356 guys it happend 581338;1395786467;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 581339;1395786468;mircea_popescu;largest collection in all of vienna 581340;1395786499;mircea_popescu;B007 o.O 581341;1395786503;mircea_popescu;mind control! 581342;1395786515;B007;I wish 581343;1395786546;mircea_popescu;my friend freud says that since you said it just as i was going to bed, clearly it's the case. 581344;1395786570;B007;did you dream it 581345;1395786589;mircea_popescu;mnope. 581346;1395786591;Mats_cd03;let me know if freud is any good in bed 581347;1395786611;benkay;;;seen ninjashogun 581348;1395786612;gribble;ninjashogun was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 hours, 29 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <ninjashogun> hi, asciilifeform 581349;1395786620;asciilifeform;lol 581350;1395786622;benkay;;;seen CheckDavid 581351;1395786623;gribble;CheckDavid was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 hours, 37 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <CheckDavid> Haha 581352;1395786627;mircea_popescu;how to ping random people for fun and profit 581353;1395786646;benkay;there's some interesting synchronous behavior. 581354;1395786689;mircea_popescu;i dig BingoBoingo's twitter background 581355;1395786748;CheckDavid;benkay: @ 581356;1395786753;CheckDavid;*? 581357;1395786754;CheckDavid;Lol 581358;1395786822;bounce;I don't suppose there'd be a way to get a ban for selling wow gold overturned on the grounds that blizzard isn't paying taxes over it 581359;1395786852;diametric;haha 581360;1395786858;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.00282912 = 0.2999 BTC [-] {6} 581361;1395786874;diametric;bounce: my experience is banned accounts almost always stay banned, unless you can convince someone you were hacked. 581362;1395786915;B007;http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/03/facebook-purchases-vr-headset-maker-oculus-for-2-billion/ 581363;1395786915;ozbot;Facebook purchases VR headset maker Oculus for $2 billion | Ars Technica 581364;1395786918;diametric;in my experience, i was special banned, and almost sued 581365;1395786919;B007;nooooooooooooooooooo 581366;1395786934;diametric;B007: it is a sad day. 581367;1395786964;diametric;that belong on the onion.. 581368;1395786975;benkay;zuck wants to point and laugh at carmack the code monkey 581369;1395786999;bounce;"hacked". anyway. 581370;1395787015;mircea_popescu;diametric lol you sold wow gold ? 581371;1395787024;diametric;mircea_popescu: nope 581372;1395787040;bounce;only $400M and a sack of fool's gold 581373;1395787041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05402103 = 0.108 BTC [-] {2} 581374;1395787055;benkay;really? 581375;1395787068;benkay;whatsapp for 16b and oculus rift for 400m? 581376;1395787074;diametric;though after they banned me I was very tempted to rape their policies in as many ways as I could. 581377;1395787091;benkay;that's damn insulting. 581378;1395787126;diametric;benkay: they didn't buy whatsapp for 16b, they bought 450 million users. 581379;1395787214;bounce;$4G + shares and things, apparently 581380;1395787321;diametric;;;ident diametric 581381;1395787321;gribble;Nick 'diametric', with hostmask 'diametric!~diametric@2604:3400:dc1:43:216:3eff:fe27:bf9d', is identified as user 'diametric', with GPG key id BDD47433133081CF, key fingerprint 0789CB4F508B384EB74CEFBFBDD47433133081CF, and bitcoin address None 581382;1395787385;benkay;;;calc 16000000000/450000000 581383;1395787386;gribble;35.5555555556 581384;1395787407;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0568 = 0.1704 BTC [+] 581385;1395787443;diametric;mircea_popescu: i didn't sell gold, but i did other things that caused them to actually track down my place of employment via linkedin and try to have my fired. I should actually state it wasn't Blizzard. Blizzard was not bad about it, it was the brass as Activision. 581386;1395787469;mircea_popescu;eh 581387;1395787476;diametric;I have since decided maintaining a linked in profile is a bad idea. 581388;1395787482;mircea_popescu;why ? 581389;1395787496;mircea_popescu;if some random schmucks manage to get you fired you're better off weithout the idiots anyway. 581390;1395787517;diametric;well, I was never actually in danger of getting fired, I just did not enjoy having that much personally identifiable information hanging out there. 581391;1395787538;bounce;if you look at the (wikipedia) list of acquisitions it's the userbase they pay most for. actual tech doesn't sell well, databases full of users do. 581392;1395787573;B007;;;ident B007 581393;1395787573;gribble;Nick 'B007', with hostmask 'B007!~B007@unaffiliated/b007', is not identified. 581394;1395787590;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0509 = 0.2545 BTC [+] 581395;1395787680;diametric;mircea_popescu: though, I guess they ultimately did me a favor. It broke my addiction to MMOs and gaming in general, though I do play casually from time to time. 581396;1395787730;mircea_popescu;as far as i can remember i always used tos as toilet paper and never suffered for it. 581397;1395787759;benkay;great thing about the USG is that there's enough ToS for an entire lifetime of butt wiping. 581398;1395787769;benkay;and the service ain't that great anyways so fuck 'em. 581399;1395787774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.10144642 = 2.0289 BTC [-] 581400;1395787806;punkman;http://www.coindesk.com/moolah-founder-accidently-donates-20-million-dogecoin-to-sponsor-nascar-driver/ 581401;1395787834;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0554 = 0.1108 BTC [-] {2} 581402;1395787884;mircea_popescu;at some point dodgy promoters are going to run out of angles to try and spamvertise donations. then what ? 581403;1395787906;punkman;they'll never run out 581404;1395787968;mircea_popescu;;;google doge coins through wide angle lens! 581405;1395787968;gribble;Camera Lenses | Nikon Digital Camera Lenses | NIKKOR Lens Optics: <http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Camera-Lenses/index.page>; We test the Vtec Wide Angle and Macro Lens for iPhone 4: <http://www.photographymonthly.com/News-and-Reviews/2012/2/We-test-the-Vtec-Wide-Angle-and-Macro-Lens-for-iPhone-4>; Insert Coin: Piper melds home automation and security in a simple ...: (1 more message) 581406;1395787986;asciilifeform;lol: 581407;1395787987;asciilifeform;http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Amphenol-Aerospace/PC4-200P/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvffgRu4KC1Rym5G2e07AhcHXsxtPpqbeA%3d 581408;1395787987;ozbot;PC4-200P Amphenol Aerospace | Mouser 581409;1395787990;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc4DNmq-y8M 581410;1395787991;ozbot;Craig Show - Animals close-up with a wide angle lens - YouTube 581411;1395787999;asciilifeform;not every day you see a golden toilet in a catalogue. 581412;1395788200;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.05689999 = 0.5121 BTC [+] {2} 581413;1395789115;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.0009523 = 14.6654 BTC [+] {3} 581414;1395789176;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3433 @ 0.00095088 = 3.2644 BTC [-] 581415;1395789592;dexX7;gribble: can you tell me what 4 pm et in utc is? 581416;1395789621;asciilifeform;dexX7: gribble is mechanical. 581417;1395789658;*;asciilifeform pictures some wretch, perhaps in india, employed as a human gribble. 581418;1395789665;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05400053 = 0.216 BTC [-] {3} 581419;1395789666;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6771 @ 0.00095088 = 6.4384 BTC [-] 581420;1395789670;dexX7;haha i know 581421;1395789718;asciilifeform;if hieronymous bosch were alive today, painting pictures of the torments of the damned in hell, perhaps he'd feature a human disk controller 581422;1395789728;asciilifeform;moving bits in a wheelbarrow, for all eternity 581423;1395789853;mircea_popescu;;;google 4pm et in utc 581424;1395789854;gribble;Converting EST to GMT - World Time Buddy: <http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/est-to-gmt-converter>; Converting UTC to EST - World Time Buddy: <http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/utc-to-est-converter>; Converting EST to UTC - World Time Buddy: <http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/est-to-utc-converter> 581425;1395789910;dexX7;ty, i guess it's only a matter of the right question ;) 581426;1395789937;mike_c;that's weak. it does measurements for you. i guess timezones aren't as popular 581427;1395789949;mike_c;;;google 4mm to inches 581428;1395789949;gribble;inch/mm CONVERSION CHART - Maryland Metrics: <http://mdmetric.com/tech/cvtcht.htm>; Rings & Things - Converting inches to millimeters: <http://www.rings-things.com/resources/inch-mm.html>; mm to inches - millimeters conversion: <http://www.metric-conversions.org/length/millimeters-to-inches.htm> 581429;1395789957;mike_c;hm, gribble doesn't support it anyway 581430;1395789986;bounce;;;calc 0.4*2.54 581431;1395789986;gribble;1.016 581432;1395789996;mike_c;gribble > google 581433;1395790005;bounce;that can't be right 581434;1395790009;mike_c;it's not :) 581435;1395790017;bounce;;;calc 2.54/0.4 581436;1395790017;gribble;6.35 581437;1395790030;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00294126 = 0.4118 BTC [+] {8} 581438;1395790072;mike_c;;;calc 4/25.4 581439;1395790072;gribble;0.157480314961 581440;1395790101;bounce;right. time for bed. 581441;1395790251;asciilifeform;http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/irs-bitcoin/ 581442;1395790251;ozbot;New IRS Bitcoin Rules Pose a Problem Only an Army of Startups Can Solve | Wired Enterprise | Wired.c 581443;1395790256;asciilifeform;(for the headline lulz) 581444;1395790317;asciilifeform;'I think this is going to create a huge opportunity for hosted wallets, says Jered Kenna, a bitcoin entrepreneur and the CEO of Moneyandtech.com. He believes that the smart bitcoin wallet makers will simply be able to add this as a service, tracking the capital gains and losses as you spend your bitcoins through the year, and maybe even issuing you a convenient 1099 at the end of the year.' 581445;1395790332;asciilifeform;on what planet do people want this. 581446;1395790335;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 9 @ 0.08220512 = 0.7398 BTC [-] {5} 581447;1395790446;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: On the planet where the rectothermal is repackaged as a fashionable relaxation on par with massage and enemas here. 581448;1395790455;benkay;the planet where the führer's shit is the only cake you've ever eaten. 581449;1395790518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16821 @ 0.00095007 = 15.9811 BTC [-] 581450;1395790568;jurov;yall don't understad. They are Proudly Officially Recognized for once! 581451;1395790608;asciilifeform;many years ago, a 'seedy' and much-beloved bar in my town was torched at night, by unknown saboteurs. the local rag proclaimed that 'this is an opportunity! the land will be put to good use by respectable developers!' 581452;1395790623;asciilifeform;ever since, whenever i see the english word 'opportunity' in the idiot press, i think of just this. 581453;1395790666;asciilifeform;in other news: in california it is illegal to teach - anything - without a permit: 581454;1395790668;asciilifeform;http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/california-hacker-bootcamps 581455;1395790671;ozbot;California Cracks Down on Hacker Boot Camps | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com 581456;1395790692;benkay;learning is illegal 581457;1395790701;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2640 @ 0.00281087 = 7.4207 BTC [-] {13} 581458;1395790729;jurov;since fucking is, everything follows 581459;1395790791;Apocalyptic;fucking is illegal now N 581460;1395790820;mircea_popescu;yeah, jared kenna 581461;1395790823;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 581462;1395790824;jurov;in the US most of it is 581463;1395790827;mircea_popescu;the guy who stole a bunch of customer funds 581464;1395790845;mircea_popescu;and then ran off and made a real estate development which floundered 581465;1395790854;mircea_popescu;and then tried to come back to bitcoin for more and got smashed 581466;1395790868;mircea_popescu;and now imagines somehow he'll be allowed to hold customer funds. 581467;1395790884;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00094728 = 16.8142 BTC [-] {2} 581468;1395790946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7431 @ 0.00094721 = 7.0387 BTC [-] 581469;1395790947;BingoBoingo;Well, it's by the Wired guy who got pissy on twitter. 581470;1395790975;jurov;kenna strives to have his scam documented in IRS-compliant manner 581471;1395790988;jurov;and that will be his undoing 581472;1395791077;mircea_popescu;eh, currently the usg policy is something along the lines of "well why put away the scammers, they're useful players" 581473;1395791099;mircea_popescu;in that you can always have them inform on anyone else stupid enough to be in business with them. 581474;1395791173;mircea_popescu;as far as the alphabet soup is concerned, the ideal situation is to have everything penetrated by people like kenna. 581475;1395791214;mircea_popescu;on one hand they're scum anyway, so not likely they'll suddenly discover a backbone, and on the other hand even if they were to try you already have enough on them to put them away for a long, long time. 581476;1395791230;asciilifeform;this is the phoundation in 1 sentence. 581477;1395791255;mircea_popescu;myeah. 581478;1395791258;asciilifeform;it's why 'gox == btc' in the us press, etc. 581479;1395791269;mircea_popescu;the problem with this, of course, is that it doesn't actually work. 581480;1395791281;mircea_popescu;which is the fundamental reason why stuff like the wot and otc trade and so forth are so important. 581481;1395791372;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14079 @ 0.00095052 = 13.3824 BTC [+] 581482;1395791387;ninjashogun;Google Securities Act Section 2(a)(1) and read the first sentence 581483;1395791396;ninjashogun;Google: "Securities Act Section 2(a)(1)" and read the first sentence 581484;1395791412;ninjashogun;and Google: "Exchange Act Section (3)(a)(10)" and read the first sentence (of the pdf) 581485;1395791425;BingoBoingo;;;google Securities act 581486;1395791426;gribble;Securities Act of 1933 - Securities and Exchange Commission: <https://www.sec.gov/about/laws/sa33.pdf>; Securities Act of 1933 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securities_Act_of_1933>; Securities Act Of 1933 Definition | Investopedia: <http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/securitiesact1933.asp> 581487;1395791468;ninjashogun;"Mr. Viragh, \p If it constitutes a security, yes. \pThe definition of security is included in Securities Act Section 2(a)(1) and Exchange Act Section (3)(a)(10). In addition, the term investment contract has been further defined by court cases. While the determination that stocks and bonds are securities may be fairly simple (because they are specifically named in these definitions), the determination 581488;1395791468;ninjashogun;as to whether something is an investment contract is a fact-specific analysis. \p The Division of Trading and Markets " 581489;1395791486;ninjashogun;(at the SEC.) 581490;1395791522;ninjashogun;I asked about accepting bitcoin for shares on my site - since it's "play money" (monopoly money) that is PC software and anyone can run it (like a video game) to generate the virtual internet coins. 581491;1395791640;ninjashogun;PDF of the original Securities Act (relevant section): https://www.sec.gov/about/laws/sa33.pdf PDF of Exchange Act: https://www.sec.gov/about/laws/sea34.pdf 581492;1395792022;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 581493;1395792029;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 583.77, vol: 8107.38220171 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 581.0, vol: 4810.71151 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 583.9899, vol: 4888.78347245 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 600.01, vol: 34.50767128 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 575.192574, vol: 2277.19400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 584.0, vol: 5.97791428 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 587.35, vol: 41.56679934 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 581494;1395792043;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 998 @ 0.00013639 = 0.1361 BTC [+] 581495;1395792166;mircea_popescu;;;eauth mircea_popescu 581496;1395792167;gribble;Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452 581497;1395792191;mircea_popescu;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:15fe50f1e823040fe9f0418e90b7848df01f4b2a7052ce1bb09784ba 581498;1395792192;gribble;You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 581499;1395792719;mircea_popescu;;;rate FabianB 3 Ruby pympex extension, some trades etc 581500;1395792720;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user FabianB has changed from 1 to 3. 581501;1395792836;TestingUnoDosTre;a little bit late, but this was an awesome comment in the california hacker article "It IS relatively easy for an nationally/regionally accredited operation to advertise a degree program, collect tuition, and then provide low-quality education. Somehow I see a deep parallel, and the problem is what again??" 581502;1395792846;mircea_popescu;;;rate pankkake dev, my ATC broker 581503;1395792846;gribble;Error: 'dev,' is not a valid integer. 581504;1395792850;mircea_popescu;;;rate pankkake 3 dev, my ATC broker 581505;1395792851;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user pankkake has changed from 1 to 3. 581506;1395792863;pankkake;I don't qualify for this 581507;1395792864;mircea_popescu;;;rate BingoBoingo 3 blogger, my ATC investment banker 581508;1395792865;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user BingoBoingo has changed from 3 to 3. 581509;1395792878;mircea_popescu;pankkake lol wut ? 581510;1395792896;pankkake;I'm holding like 0.1 BTC worth 581511;1395792918;dexX7;re wired: wasn't this mcmillan guy the one who was here a few days ago? 581512;1395792926;BingoBoingo;dexX7: Yeah 581513;1395792926;Apocalyptic;doesn't contradict the fact you may be a broker 581514;1395792929;mircea_popescu;dexX7 possibly. 581515;1395792942;BingoBoingo;He didn't do much in the public chan 581516;1395792950;dexX7;yea 581517;1395792960;mircea_popescu;;;rate mike_c 3 blogger, dev 581518;1395792962;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user mike_c has been recorded. 581519;1395792963;pankkake;Not with a rating of 3 581520;1395792975;mircea_popescu;pankkake how do you know how i score things ? 581521;1395792988;pankkake;is there a maximum? 581522;1395792991;dexX7;10? 581523;1395792992;mircea_popescu;10. 581524;1395793010;pankkake;thought it was 5. maybe then 581525;1395793035;mircea_popescu;pankkake it seems you're labouring under the misapprehension that these ranks are sort-of like school marks 581526;1395793048;mircea_popescu;that's not what they are. they're statistical dampeners. 581527;1395793074;pankkake;no, I just take them as trust 581528;1395793075;mircea_popescu;the only thing someone's aggregate score tells you is how likely it is for you to have someone who knows him in your network. 581529;1395793117;mircea_popescu;and the individual score is not "how trustworthy is this guy" but "how well i am acquainted with this guy", ie, how valuable my input may be to a third party asking for references. 581530;1395793120;duduqa;"misapprehension"...boy, I´m learning good English for free here. Big THANK YOU, Mr. MP 581531;1395793129;mircea_popescu;duduqa yw 581532;1395793138;pankkake;I see 581533;1395793162;mircea_popescu;so in this sense, pankkake, i can mark as 10 someone with whom i only do 0.001 trades, inasmuch as i judge that i can 100% describe them to whoever asks 581534;1395793172;mircea_popescu;"he' 581535;1395793219;mircea_popescu;conversely i could keep someone at a 1 even if we trade millions, if it's a hit and run affair and i couldn't really tell them from adam. 581536;1395793278;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust pankkake 581537;1395793279;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user pankkake: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=pankkake | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=pankkake | Rated since: Thu Jun 6 12:07:25 2013 581538;1395793290;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust mircea_popescu 581539;1395793290;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 6, Level 2: 11 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011 581540;1395793293;nubbins`;interesting system 581541;1395793305;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it's really how the wot's supposed to work. 581542;1395793316;TestingUnoDosTre;intruiging 581543;1395793327;nubbins`;too true 581544;1395793329;TestingUnoDosTre;I'm confused though 581545;1395793332;mircea_popescu;it's a web of trust not a web of facebook likes. 581546;1395793342;nubbins`;i think the highest rating i've left anyone is maybe a 2. 581547;1395793355;TestingUnoDosTre;Let's say your .001 trader comes around looking to trade 5 581548;1395793356;pankkake;but I could trust someone I know nothing about 581549;1395793364;TestingUnoDosTre;how do you judge his merit with your system 581550;1395793372;mike_c;thanks for rating mp. i have found wot useful even for someone like me with a small graph. you rate people you trust, and then can leech off their ratings. 581551;1395793376;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre suppose this guy comes to trade 5 with you. 581552;1395793382;mircea_popescu;you don't know him, but know me. so you come to me 581553;1395793385;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07349999 = 0.147 BTC [-] 581554;1395793390;mircea_popescu;"hey, what's this guy worth in trust ?" 581555;1395793396;nubbins`;;;rated mircea_popescu 581556;1395793396;gribble;You rated user mircea_popescu on Thu Oct 17 15:12:06 2013, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: patron of the arts. 581557;1395793403;nubbins`;yep, top of my charts 581558;1395793404;mircea_popescu;and i tell you "we've done a bunch of 0.0001 trades and i trust him to so and so and back and forth" 581559;1395793410;mircea_popescu;and you go "but specifically in this context ? " 581560;1395793418;mircea_popescu;and i go "well maybe X or maybe Y" etc. 581561;1395793442;TestingUnoDosTre;too much thinking. I'm going to go create a web of likes and dislikes ;) 581562;1395793449;BingoBoingo;Basically it is what LinkedIN imagined it could be 581563;1395793453;mircea_popescu;lol it's the thinking that makes it powerful tho. 581564;1395793464;mircea_popescu;i can cut through the chase in about ten minutes because of it, 581565;1395793466;TestingUnoDosTre;just joking. you explained the concept quite well 581566;1395793479;mircea_popescu;and that's quite why i;'m so distrustful of various "Experts" and "ceos" and whatnot that don't have one. 581567;1395793493;pankkake;people accept anyone's friendship in linkedin. I always get recruiters as shortest paths, it's useless :( 581568;1395793525;TestingUnoDosTre;I absolutely hate recruits on linked in. It's like they believe their likelyhood of staying with a company depends on how many contacts they have 581569;1395793527;BingoBoingo;Basically the part where you contact the raters is why the apserzersorLords aren't keen on the WoT and default to Pirateat40 to justify their sloth 581570;1395793527;pankkake;they did some things right lately, you can *endorse* people 581571;1395793535;nubbins`;linkedin sucks 581572;1395793542;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the farm of evil, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271711.msg5902521#msg5902521 581573;1395793543;nubbins`;i'm suspicious of people who add me on it 581574;1395793649;TestingUnoDosTre;I've had some Indian dude that I briefly hung out with at work like 3 years ago ask for endorsements on his project management skills. I complied... 581575;1395793660;nubbins`;heh 581576;1395793669;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the who ?! 581577;1395793675;nubbins`;yeah, i've had people i worked with 3 years ago "endorse" me for skills out of the blue 581578;1395793679;nubbins`;doesn't make any sense 581579;1395793680;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The forum aspies 581580;1395793685;mircea_popescu;oh oh 581581;1395793690;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: And the wanna be Ceo aspies 581582;1395793694;nubbins`;"the hr manager at your first job out of university has endorsed you for the following skills" 581583;1395793695;nubbins`;GREAT 581584;1395793701;pankkake;I've been endorsed for skills the people endorsing me knew nothing about. that's because it bugs you to endorse people… 581585;1395793722;mircea_popescu;useless social bs. 581586;1395793724;nubbins`;^ 581587;1395793725;BingoBoingo;The people for whom any social interaction is a greater burden then clicking button on whatever virtual BBQ retreat they go to 581588;1395793737;nubbins`;linkedin: it's like facebook, but without your friends and family 581589;1395793738;mircea_popescu;kinda why i love nanotube. he's a geek, and he's not making the wot any more social than it is 581590;1395793788;*;nubbins` endorsed you for the following skills: beard-growing 581591;1395793796;pankkake;I removed a lot of friends this year actually 581592;1395793801;pankkake;ahah 581593;1395793847;*;mircea_popescu endorses you for your girlfriend. and also endorses her. 581594;1395793858;mircea_popescu;where en-dors-ing would mean...well... 581595;1395793861;mircea_popescu;something to do with behinds. 581596;1395793872;ninjashogun;mircea_popescu, weaker than usual pun :) 581597;1395793877;TestingUnoDosTre;oh my gawd that comment is priceless https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271711.msg5902582#msg5902582 581598;1395793900;*;nubbins` endorsals your gf for the following skills 581599;1395793926;nubbins`;rusty trombones 581600;1395793930;nubbins`;hot carls 581601;1395793932;mircea_popescu;it's getting harder and harder to argue with that chick 581602;1395793937;mircea_popescu;davout she totally owned joo :D 581603;1395793941;mircea_popescu;endorsaled! 581604;1395793998;nubbins`;her ignore button is no longer yellow, -1 581605;1395794016;mircea_popescu;"would ignore again ++++" 581606;1395794019;pankkake;because of thermos 581607;1395794030;nubbins`;heh 581608;1395794038;nubbins`;pankkake really? 581609;1395794048;pankkake;yes, because it slows down the server or some crap 581610;1395794052;nubbins`;so you could say that thermos has... INSULATED her? 581611;1395794054;*;nubbins` cackles 581612;1395794057;pankkake;because that obviously can't be cached… 581613;1395794067;nubbins`;btctalk is fucked these past few days 581614;1395794078;nubbins`;i get a 500 error upon first connect, without fail 581615;1395794081;nubbins`;hit refresh, it loads 581616;1395794082;pankkake;who's behind https://bitcointa.lk/ by the way? 581617;1395794094;nubbins`;open a thread w/ images, all broken. refresh, all there. 581618;1395794100;dexX7;hehe wanted to drop bitcointa.lk too 581619;1395794109;nubbins`;pankkake: i think thermos is, so he can cut and run with the forum upgrade funds 581620;1395794113;nubbins`;;D 581621;1395794119;dexX7;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/208sss/say_hello_to_2014_bitcointalk_i_created/ 581622;1395794122;ozbot;Say Hello to 2014, Bitcointalk. I created Bitcointa.lk, a real alternative to Bitcointalk.org. 5 mil 581623;1395794145;mircea_popescu;o wait wait... the 3k btc worth of server can be slowed down ? 581624;1395794179;mircea_popescu;dexX7 maybe drop the guy a note to come by ? 581625;1395794187;mircea_popescu;i think pretty much everyone likes him by now. 581626;1395794203;TestingUnoDosTre;what did he do? 581627;1395794235;mircea_popescu;an undeletable tardstalk 581628;1395794253;mircea_popescu;well... undeletable by the same crowd at any rate. 581629;1395794255;TestingUnoDosTre;did that guy just copy bitcointalk? 581630;1395794296;dexX7;it's a mirror 581631;1395794349;BingoBoingo;http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/no-women-allowed-why-men-served-lunch-nuclear-summit-n61706 581632;1395794349;ozbot;No Women Allowed? Why Men Served Lunch at Nuclear Summit - NBC News 581633;1395794417;davout;mircea_popescu: haha yeah, "ceci n'est pas un ownage" 581634;1395794425;dexX7;i think this is the original thread on btctalk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=515932.0 581635;1395794430;mircea_popescu;http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CD0QtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.secretservice.gov%2Fjoin&ei=9CEyU9nLH82shQf-toCIBg&usg=AFQjCNE_cmlK613EqMnFHoIjvZgI30-x-Q 581636;1395794475;nubbins`;davout: "but it is an ownage!" "okay, then, smoke it" "..." 581637;1395794481;mircea_popescu;hey, anyone recall that iconic confidence scam scene where the guy pretends to be an ex marine waiting for a money order ? 581638;1395794506;davout;i know of one where the guy pretended to be a pirate or sthg 581639;1395794517;mircea_popescu;no, he pretended to be a stranded marine 581640;1395794530;mircea_popescu;prmised the mark 30 bucks out of his inexistent check, 581641;1395794536;mircea_popescu;mark gets his check first, offers 30 bucks 581642;1395794577;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riy4God934c 581643;1395794578;ozbot;House of Games (1987) - Short Con - Western Union Scene - YouTube 581644;1395794581;mircea_popescu;ty invisible hand 581645;1395794856;TestingUnoDosTre;hahaha that was awesome 581646;1395794930;nubbins`;house of brutal acting 581647;1395794957;mircea_popescu;yeah they can't act 581648;1395794964;mircea_popescu;kinda makes the thing stronger, imo. 581649;1395795053;punkman;good movie 581650;1395795057;punkman;that "thank you sir, may I have another" was hilarious in the end 581651;1395795083;nubbins`;hm, mamet 581652;1395795093;nubbins`;i saw glengarry glen ross earlier today for the first time 581653;1395795142;mircea_popescu;one should never see that film for the first time. 581654;1395795185;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520882.msg5902901#msg5902901 581655;1395795186;ozbot;Interacting with fiat institutions [such as the SEC], a guide 581656;1395795264;nubbins`;i don't know what that means 581657;1395795285;mircea_popescu;lol !b 1 581658;1395795293;nubbins`;you ruined it ;( 581659;1395795302;mircea_popescu;aww 581660;1395795306;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1756474/plain/) 581661;1395795306;nubbins`;!b 4 581662;1395795310;*;nubbins` cackles 581663;1395795337;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.60235671 = 10.8424 BTC [-] {10} 581664;1395795350;nubbins`;so my folks don't like their neighbours. the kid just got hauled off in a cop car. mom sez: 581665;1395795373;nubbins`;"Young Ronnie is just gone off in a cop car. Looks like he's handcuffed. Bozo and Dogface left right after in their car." 581666;1395795374;nubbins`;heh 581667;1395795391;mircea_popescu;bozo and dogface ? your folks sound pretty cool. 581668;1395795398;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.00602382 = 0.4638 BTC [-] {7} 581669;1395795414;nubbins`;mom had a glass of wine with supper, guess she's all brazen now 581670;1395795430;mircea_popescu;nubbins` anyway, the comment was a contrived "you should see it multiple times" 581671;1395795441;nubbins`;aha, i figured as much 581672;1395795445;TestingUnoDosTre;Alright... this video get's boring between like 0:30 and 1:45, but it produces continual excitement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o96MUuM-UM 581673;1395795454;TestingUnoDosTre;* after that 581674;1395795468;nubbins`;between that and wall street last night, i ended up remembering that "salesman" was totally a thing that men were, for a while there 581675;1395795508;nubbins`;so anyway the movie recommendations from you guys are 2 for 2 so far 581676;1395795513;nubbins`;what's next? 581677;1395795520;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.048 = 0.192 BTC [-] {2} 581678;1395795521;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05739998 = 0.1722 BTC [+] 581679;1395795526;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/category/trilematograf/ 581680;1395795527;ozbot;Trilematograf pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 581681;1395795581;mircea_popescu;o look what i found! asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2011/daca-eram/ an excursion in the romanian ribald tradition 581682;1395795599;nubbins`;hm, i've seen maybe 90% of the english movies you've reviewed 581683;1395795601;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOZztHuPfmg < part of it with interpretation 581684;1395795602;ozbot;Parazitii - Daca Eram (Necenzurat) - YouTube 581685;1395795632;nubbins`;cannibal holocaust was a piece of shit 581686;1395795642;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04939866 = 0.3458 BTC [+] {5} 581687;1395795643;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05403334 = 0.3242 BTC [-] {4} 581688;1395795661;mircea_popescu;it was lol. 581689;1395795667;mircea_popescu;"Daca eram un canibal si te prindeam cu o urata te luam la pula-n scurt baga-mi-as pula-n ea de strimba." 581690;1395795701;mircea_popescu;intraductible. 581691;1395795703;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.054 = 0.108 BTC [-] {2} 581692;1395795770;mircea_popescu;"Daca eram gropar te ingropam drept in ocean si-apoi la vaduva-i bateam, zimbind, cu pula-n geam." if i were an undertaker i'd had undertook you straight to the ocean and then i'd be arround knocking in the widow's window with my inflamed schlong 581693;1395795921;BingoBoingo;;;later tell benkay Idea 581694;1395795921;gribble;The operation succeeded. 581695;1395795968;BingoBoingo;Monopoly goes BernanKoin http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/03/25/monopoly_house_rules_hasbro_is_crowdsourcing_changes_to_the_official_rulebook.html 581696;1395795970;mircea_popescu;anyone seen revenge of the cheerleaders btw ? 581697;1395795971;nubbins`;the mint doesn't fuck off with these "9x% sold out!" emails 581698;1395795993;nubbins`;i read "9x% sold out" and i translate as "we're having a hard time getting rid of these shit coins!" 581699;1395796003;mircea_popescu;possibly worse than canibal holocaust. also tits and ass. 581700;1395796018;benkay;what's this notion you have BingoBoingo? 581701;1395796023;nubbins`;CH borders on Troma territory 581702;1395796043;nubbins`;like what was the one... I Was a Nymphomaniac Barbarian in Dinosaur Hell, or something? 581703;1395796054;*;nubbins` shakes head at the memory 581704;1395796057;mircea_popescu;nubbins` revenge of the cheerleaders thing is basically "rent an old space opera B set, make some floozies run naked around it" 581705;1395796074;nubbins`;funny style of revenge 581706;1395796087;mircea_popescu;it's not that it doesn't make sense 581707;1395796096;mircea_popescu;it's more that you can't figure out what it doesn't make sense about. 581708;1395796100;nubbins`;heh. 581709;1395796109;nubbins`;"this isn't right. it isn't even wrong" 581710;1395796119;mircea_popescu;amir speaking in an amir-designed microphone would be a decent approximation 581711;1395796120;mircea_popescu;yeah. 581712;1395796143;nubbins`;now i'm imagining a man shouting into a sandwich 581713;1395796169;mircea_popescu;into half a sandwich which for some reason has some packing peanuts glued to a jello tin 581714;1395796200;nubbins`;heh 581715;1395796208;nubbins`;"maybe it 581716;1395796211;nubbins`;'s not turned on" 581717;1395796221;mircea_popescu;"then why the erection" 581718;1395796222;nubbins`;pouring drain cleaner on it 581719;1395796230;nubbins`;stapling it 581720;1395796231;nubbins`;etc 581721;1395796270;nubbins`;so we're set to have a -- no joke, this is what they're calling it -- "weather bomb" on wednesday night/thursday morning 581722;1395796285;mircea_popescu;someone set your weather the bomb ? 581723;1395796326;TestingUnoDosTre;<BingoBoing> absolutely great article on monopoly house rules 581724;1395796388;mircea_popescu;your client truncates TestingUnoDosTre 581725;1395796427;mircea_popescu;davout how the fuck do you have more activity than mpoe-pr 581726;1395796430;mircea_popescu;do you even sleep! 581727;1395796442;nubbins`;i even saw davout posting on reddit today 581728;1395796503;nubbins`;anyway, should be a shit show, since the city laid off 80 of its 130 snow clearing workers this past friday 581729;1395796514;davout;mircea_popescu: that's because you'll always be a newfag to me :D 581730;1395796521;nubbins`;resulting in such situations as this: 581731;1395796560;nubbins`;...as i fail to find the link 581732;1395796589;nubbins`;anyway a garbage truck was making its way down a steep road, lost control, picked up TWO CARS parked on the curb and brought them down with it 581733;1395796611;nubbins`;finally smashed into an SUV at the bottom of the hill, saving the occupants of the adjacent house from certain death 581734;1395796644;nubbins`;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjlgQqVIEAA8DKY.jpg 581735;1395796650;nubbins`;there we go 581736;1395796708;nubbins`;for reference, that picture was taken 3pm today and the snow stopped falling YESTERDAY. 581737;1395796736;nubbins`;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bjlf19dIIAAYDa8.jpg 581738;1395796759;nubbins`;ah, heh, i actually know that tall garbageman in between the truck and the green car 581739;1395796801;nubbins`;he always posts facebook status updates about the heavy metal CDs he's listening to in the truck that day, and says things like "heavy metal garbage truck: where long hair is the law" 581740;1395796819;moiety;evening mews all :) 581741;1395796826;moiety;hows everyone? 581742;1395796862;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 800 @ 0.00266649 = 2.1332 BTC [-] {27} 581743;1395796871;benkay;i have a beer-suds mewstach, moiety 581744;1395796922;moiety;excellent work benkay, i have a pressed grape thingamajig here, i dont think it will give me a mewstache though D: 581745;1395796923;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04800133 = 0.144 BTC [-] {2} 581746;1395796933;nubbins`;i'm debating running to the store before it closes 581747;1395796948;moiety;do it because 5 minutes after it does you will wish you had gone 581748;1395796955;moiety;or is that just me? 581749;1395796959;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/father-ordered-to-leave-canada-after-choking-daughter-1.2585455?cmp=rss 581750;1395796959;ozbot;Father ordered to leave Canada after choking daughter - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News 581751;1395796977;nubbins`;man throttles daughter in greasy fish-and-chips shack 581752;1395796984;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00260697 = 0.7821 BTC [-] {3} 581753;1395797007;benkay;you'd think at 30 he'd be glad to get shot of her 581754;1395797020;cedivad;"an undeletable tardstalk" 581755;1395797030;nubbins`;the best part is where it says she secretly already married the guy 581756;1395797030;cedivad;that's me, yes 581757;1395797035;moiety;o.o "...went into the washroom to text her boyfriend, who happened to be at the police station laying charges against Alshaek for the earlier incident at the restaurant." well that probably helped the case 581758;1395797041;nubbins`;cedivad, welcome 581759;1395797062;nubbins`;the best part is at the end. apparently it was the new husband who should have been choking her 581760;1395797085;nubbins`;"Alshaek said through an interpreter that if he'd known that, it would have changed everything. Alshaek said he would not longer have been responsible for disciplining his daughter — that would fall to the husband." 581761;1395797101;adolf_fishler;.bait 581762;1395797102;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5nhhpWIlj1qc1he5o1_500.jpg 581763;1395797114;nubbins`;the greasy spoon in question is maybe a 5 minute walk from here 581764;1395797115;TestingUnoDosTre;still truncating/ 581765;1395797116;adolf_fishler;too fat. 581766;1395797118;adolf_fishler;.bait 581767;1395797119;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5j3ir0SZC1qkoo3yo1_500.jpg 581768;1395797131;adolf_fishler;not fat enough 581769;1395797133;adolf_fishler;.bait 581770;1395797134;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m63x0ulTmf1qdhl8uo1_1280.jpg 581771;1395797146;adolf_fishler;whoa, too much dick 581772;1395797148;davout;bah 581773;1395797149;adolf_fishler;who let the man in here 581774;1395797151;adolf_fishler;.bait 581775;1395797152;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m66fsaCWxE1r1rxrbo1_500.png 581776;1395797187;nubbins`;bum shelf 581777;1395797204;pankkake;http://cdn-w.pornstarblognetwork.com/clubkacistar.com/public_html/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Kaci-Starr-Teasing-005.jpg 581778;1395797228;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.048 = 0.192 BTC [-] {2} 581779;1395797229;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.054 = 0.216 BTC [-] {2} 581780;1395797230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-] {2} 581781;1395797231;adolf_fishler;who the fuck is that 581782;1395797231;adolf_fishler;? 581783;1395797237;pankkake;answer in url 581784;1395797244;adolf_fishler;someone needs to put that whale 581785;1395797246;adolf_fishler;back into the sea 581786;1395797252;benkay;:( 581787;1395797254;nubbins`;ah fuck the store closes in three minutes 581788;1395797256;nubbins`;it's too late D: 581789;1395797257;benkay;that first one was great 581790;1395797269;pankkake;i thought you wanted fatter 581791;1395797271;nubbins`;someone recommend a movie 581792;1395797277;adolf_fishler;haha 581793;1395797282;benkay;Tank Girl 581794;1395797286;nubbins`;veto 581795;1395797293;adolf_fishler;no you severely underestimated 581796;1395797296;adolf_fishler;the fattness 581797;1395797299;adolf_fishler;of my request 581798;1395797316;adolf_fishler;i want her to be like, cant get out of bed 581799;1395797322;adolf_fishler;and i have to wash her fat rolls daily 581800;1395797345;Duffer1;nubbins`someone recommend a movie >> The Secret of Nimh 581801;1395797355;nubbins`;seen it 581802;1395797360;benkay;the fourth fast and the furious 581803;1395797369;nubbins`;:( 581804;1395797372;Duffer1;The Dark Crystal 581805;1395797377;nubbins`;seen it 581806;1395797383;nubbins`;(great movie btw) 581807;1395797383;benkay;neverending story 581808;1395797387;moiety;oh btw nubbins` you are the only other person ive met (otherthan who showed it to me) that has seen Funny Games, highly underrated film 581809;1395797389;nubbins`;guys i'm 32 years old 581810;1395797402;cazalla;kaci starr is fine for me, love em chubby like that 581811;1395797411;Duffer1;same nub ^.^ 581812;1395797420;nubbins`;moiety: the silence+breakdown at the end shook me to the core 581813;1395797433;adolf_fishler;http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/070/9/d/4_sexy_chinese_girls_by_cfs5403-d5xoxjm.jpg 581814;1395797435;adolf_fishler;here is not bad 581815;1395797469;nubbins`;i guess i didn't spec it out enough 581816;1395797478;nubbins`;recommend a movie for adults that isn't about honda civics 581817;1395797485;adolf_fishler;hrm 581818;1395797488;adolf_fishler;what kind of movies 581819;1395797489;adolf_fishler;u like?> 581820;1395797492;moiety;the red hair but on the farthest right girl would be perfect 581821;1395797495;adolf_fishler;matchstick men 581822;1395797496;adolf_fishler;is a good movie 581823;1395797501;adolf_fishler;ya she's nice. 581824;1395797502;moiety;momento nubbins` 581825;1395797506;nubbins`;an interesting drama or something with intrigue 581826;1395797508;adolf_fishler;WATCH MATCHSTICK MEN 581827;1395797508;nubbins`;seen memento 581828;1395797508;moiety;memento* 581829;1395797511;adolf_fishler;ITS A GREAT MOVIE 581830;1395797516;adolf_fishler;it wont disappoint. 581831;1395797518;moiety;cache 581832;1395797527;Duffer1;first season of Rick & Morty 581833;1395797528;nubbins`;nicolas cage, really? 581834;1395797532;moiety;actually if you thought funny games was disturbing, don't watch cache 581835;1395797533;adolf_fishler;trust me 581836;1395797535;adolf_fishler;its his best movie 581837;1395797543;adolf_fishler;you have to trust me on this one. 581838;1395797547;nubbins`;that's like saying x is the best altcoin 581839;1395797550;adolf_fishler;how long have we known each other, TRUST ME 581840;1395797559;nubbins`;or a blender is the best way to lose your dick 581841;1395797560;adolf_fishler;it has a good cast 581842;1395797565;adolf_fishler;- cage 581843;1395797575;nubbins`;ok, ok, i'll trust you on this 581844;1395797579;nubbins`;you better not fuck me 581845;1395797582;adolf_fishler;i wont i promise 581846;1395797585;adolf_fishler;its a good fucking movie 581847;1395797594;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.00260346 = 0.2994 BTC [-] {2} 581848;1395797600;benkay;cage 581849;1395797608;benkay;nubbins`: u gettans trolled 581850;1395797611;punkman;nubbins`: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0972542/ 581851;1395797615;nubbins`;benkay i know right? 581852;1395797619;moiety;nubbins`: have you seen I come with the rain? 581853;1395797627;nubbins`;nicolas "the numbers are the key to everything" cage 581854;1395797633;adolf_fishler;;o 581855;1395797635;nubbins`;moiety nope 581856;1395797640;adolf_fishler;no thats jim " everything adds up to 23 " carey 581857;1395797647;nubbins`;nah cage did one too 581858;1395797648;moiety;please do at some point, again disturbing but awesomely done 581859;1395797650;nubbins`;"knowing" or something 581860;1395797658;nubbins`;altho that did have an EPIC plane crash 581861;1395797659;moiety;its pretty violent in bits too though, be aware 581862;1395797664;nubbins`;the movie itself was such a stack of shit 581863;1395797668;adolf_fishler;yeah 581864;1395797670;adolf_fishler;it wasn't great. 581865;1395797678;adolf_fishler;however it ranks high on the list of 581866;1395797679;adolf_fishler;cage movies ive seen 581867;1395797684;adolf_fishler;i like con air 581868;1395797685;adolf_fishler;it was prett ygodo 581869;1395797690;adolf_fishler;but that could be a john malcovich movie 581870;1395797693;adolf_fishler;instead of a cage movie. 581871;1395797710;nubbins`;actually, being john malkovich is maybe the only cage movie i like 581872;1395797717;adolf_fishler;da fuq 581873;1395797719;adolf_fishler;cage was in that? 581874;1395797721;moiety;all i hear is sweet home alabama whenever con air is mentioned 581875;1395797722;nubbins`;wait fuck that was cusack 581876;1395797724;nubbins`;HAHAHAH 581877;1395797725;adolf_fishler;lol 581878;1395797726;nubbins`;see? 581879;1395797727;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: What about "Bad Lieutenant" 581880;1395797735;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: tried it, stopped about 10m in 581881;1395797741;Duffer1;Gross Point Blank? 581882;1395797745;nubbins`;saw it 581883;1395797753;Duffer1;cusak 581884;1395797754;adolf_fishler;if ur gonna watch 581885;1395797755;adolf_fishler;one cage movie 581886;1395797757;adolf_fishler;make it match stick men 581887;1395797771;nubbins`;you sure i shouldn't watch the one about the bees? 581888;1395797779;adolf_fishler;isnt that sienfeld? 581889;1395797783;moiety;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1024744/ 581890;1395797783;ozbot;I Come with the Rain (2009) - IMDb 581891;1395797793;adolf_fishler;this movie 581892;1395797795;adolf_fishler;is quite awesome also 581893;1395797804;adolf_fishler;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0123755/ 581894;1395797804;ozbot;Cube (1997) - IMDb 581895;1395797807;nubbins`;saw it 581896;1395797808;adolf_fishler;cant believe it only gets 7.4 581897;1395797811;adolf_fishler;u like? 581898;1395797812;nubbins`;cube is canadian :D 581899;1395797816;adolf_fishler;o 581900;1395797817;adolf_fishler;i didnt know 581901;1395797824;nubbins`;acting sucked, great concept 581902;1395797829;moiety;how do you feel about subtitles nubbins`? 581903;1395797838;thestringpuller;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pdoADutGZg 581904;1395797843;nubbins`;i don't mind em 581905;1395797844;thestringpuller;^- random but like wtf 581906;1395797861;nubbins`;oh also guys, the real fuckbook is back, according to these ads 581907;1395797871;nubbins`;apparently their site has too many hot women, so older men join free 581908;1395797874;mircea_popescu;nubbins` clearly not even the google works in canada now that they fired the snowplows. 581909;1395797874;moiety;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0901487/?ref_=nv_sr_2 581910;1395797875;ozbot;Joheunnom nabbeunnom isanghannom (2008) - IMDb 581911;1395797885;moiety;The Good The Bad The Weird 581912;1395797906;mircea_popescu;davout im not that new, i'm like almost bitcoin bodhisattva rank here. 581913;1395797907;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Seen Sharknado yet? 581914;1395797920;adolf_fishler;haha 581915;1395797921;adolf_fishler;that movie 581916;1395797921;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: except for nanotube 581917;1395797922;adolf_fishler;is amazing 581918;1395797922;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 581919;1395797929;adolf_fishler;the ending 581920;1395797930;nubbins`;moiety i'm ruined on korean movies 581921;1395797933;adolf_fishler;is so epic to sharknado 581922;1395797936;nubbins`;watched too many of them 581923;1395797937;cazalla;get with the times, it's all about sharkalanche now 581924;1395797942;adolf_fishler;how about shocktopus 581925;1395797951;mircea_popescu;"curb it" ahahaha 581926;1395797955;moiety;nubbins`: Impossible! 581927;1395797969;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Which James Bond movies haven't you watched? 581928;1395797975;Duffer1;nubbins' http://www.imdb.com/genre/?ref_=nv_ch_gr_5 581929;1395797980;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: if you're a bodhisattva nanotube is buddha 581930;1395797982;thestringpuller;lol 581931;1395797984;adolf_fishler;someone ban popescu he doesnt have enough women to be in this channel 581932;1395798001;nubbins`;BingoBoingo: the most recent ones with daniel craig 581933;1395798015;mircea_popescu;cedivad o hey, nice work. 581934;1395798022;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Any of those three are actually great. 581935;1395798025;nubbins`;ah 581936;1395798033;nubbins`;well matchstick men is at the top of the list for now 581937;1395798037;nubbins`;but keep em coming 581938;1395798058;moiety;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0382077/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_31 581939;1395798058;ozbot;Hide and Seek (2005) - IMDb 581940;1395798063;nubbins`;moiety quotes from that korean movie: 581941;1395798063;adolf_fishler;rofl 581942;1395798066;adolf_fishler;i saw that 581943;1395798071;adolf_fishler;movie was pretty funny 581944;1395798072;nubbins`;Man-gil: The bounty on your head is 300 won. Yoon Tae-goo: What? I'm only worth a piano? Man-gil: A used one at that. 581945;1395798077;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre i dunno, do you see BingoBoingo as <BingoBoingo> or <BingoBoing> ? 581946;1395798078;nubbins`;300 won is like $0.30 581947;1395798102;moiety;OMG nubbins` BEST film ever have you seen The Man From Nowhere????? its the best thing ive ever seen 581948;1395798112;moiety;its like Taken but with bells on 581949;1395798113;BingoBoingo;;;ident BingoBoingo 581950;1395798113;gribble;Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None 581951;1395798126;cedivad;thank you mircea_popescu 581952;1395798129;Duffer1;nubbins' Dark City 581953;1395798132;*;moiety got excited - spologies 581954;1395798140;moiety;apologies* 581955;1395798156;nubbins`;moiety: srsly, i'm ruined on korean movies 581956;1395798165;nubbins`;i lost count of how many gritty revenge thrillers i saw 581957;1395798177;nubbins`;Duffer1 saw it 581958;1395798179;adolf_fishler;i thought u said 581959;1395798182;moiety;sigh ok, watch I come with the rain , its a thai director but its english language 581960;1395798183;adolf_fishler;girthy revenge thrillers 581961;1395798186;adolf_fishler;iwas confused for a sec 581962;1395798200;mircea_popescu;wait is bodhisattva good ? 581963;1395798203;mircea_popescu;i thought it was kinda sucky 581964;1395798224;nubbins`;not sure but it was the name of a dispensary in Weeds 581965;1395798231;thestringpuller;lol 581966;1395798237;nubbins`;which, incidentally, sucked 581967;1395798238;thestringpuller;nancy botwin.... 581968;1395798241;nubbins`;so full circle there i guess 581969;1395798242;thestringpuller;made that show suck 581970;1395798255;thestringpuller;they should have just killed her off and replaced her 581971;1395798257;moiety;how many arms does it have? or belly size....generally an indication 581972;1395798261;mircea_popescu;adolf_fishler which one are you ? 581973;1395798275;nubbins`;heh 581974;1395798313;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you saw true romance ? 581975;1395798319;adolf_fishler;which one? 581976;1395798338;nubbins`;yep 581977;1395798346;adolf_fishler;go on 581978;1395798356;mircea_popescu;how about four rooms ? 581979;1395798359;adolf_fishler;omg 581980;1395798361;adolf_fishler;popescu 581981;1395798365;adolf_fishler;so few people 581982;1395798367;adolf_fishler;know that movie 581983;1395798371;adolf_fishler;epic movie 581984;1395798380;adolf_fishler;wierd as shit but i love it 581985;1395798393;adolf_fishler;the dead person in the bed is my fav part 581986;1395798407;nubbins`;four rooms, saw it 581987;1395798416;mircea_popescu;jackie brown ? 581988;1395798418;nubbins`;i think bruce willis was uncredited in that 581989;1395798421;nubbins`;saw it 581990;1395798426;nubbins`;many times, most recently last month 581991;1395798428;adolf_fishler;he was great there also 581992;1395798432;moiety;Donnie Brasco! 581993;1395798435;nubbins`;saw it 581994;1395798439;nubbins`;also great 581995;1395798456;mircea_popescu;casino, bronx story, etc 581996;1395798471;nubbins`;saw, saw 581997;1395798473;adolf_fishler;home alone 2 581998;1395798473;moiety;i love casino but i havent seenbronx story 581999;1395798476;adolf_fishler;the porno. 582000;1395798477;mircea_popescu;o i got one you've not seen : hot summer in the city 582001;1395798481;mircea_popescu;70s sexploitation. 582002;1395798493;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Maybe instead of watching make the shitty animated version of -assets? 582003;1395798500;nubbins`;mircea_popescu actually, saw it 582004;1395798509;nubbins`;i have a friend with a massive collection of blax 582005;1395798513;nubbins`;blacula, black jesus, etc 582006;1395798521;nubbins`;blackenstein 582007;1395798521;mircea_popescu;o hey. 582008;1395798522;moiety;lol blacula 582009;1395798532;adolf_fishler;how come 582010;1395798533;mircea_popescu;you gotta send me this. 582011;1395798533;adolf_fishler;transylvania 582012;1395798538;adolf_fishler;is associated with dracula? 582013;1395798539;adolf_fishler;in my mind 582014;1395798550;nubbins`;adolf_fishler prolly some crossed wires 582015;1395798555;adolf_fishler;hrm 582016;1395798556;adolf_fishler;could be 582017;1395798558;nubbins`;dracula was from ohio 582018;1395798560;moiety;youve watched too much sesame street adolf_fishler 582019;1395798566;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you seen white cat, blakc cat ? 582020;1395798572;adolf_fishler;lies 582021;1395798576;adolf_fishler;theres a nintendo game! 582022;1395798587;nubbins`;nope 582023;1395798596;BingoBoingo;Ohio is THE worst 582024;1395798597;mircea_popescu;a, great film. you'll prolly love the music. 582025;1395798598;nubbins`;yugoslav romantic comedy?! 582026;1395798599;moiety;wait is there actual cats in this mircea_popescu 582027;1395798606;mircea_popescu;not really romantic in any sense 582028;1395798611;nubbins`;incidentally i noticed there was some Talking Heads in wall street 582029;1395798611;Apocalyptic;is four rooms any good ? 582030;1395798613;mircea_popescu;but bregovic plays. 582031;1395798616;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic definitely. 582032;1395798618;nubbins`;Apocalyptic its worth a watch 582033;1395798624;nubbins`;tim roth, pre-tupac 582034;1395798625;mircea_popescu;moiety just a pair. 582035;1395798626;Apocalyptic;k guys 582036;1395798634;mircea_popescu;nubbins` how about sea of love ? 582037;1395798636;mircea_popescu;old pacino. 582038;1395798656;nubbins`;haven't seen it, and we have a winner. 582039;1395798662;mircea_popescu;nubbins` also, malena must see. 582040;1395798708;nubbins`;so sea of love, gravity, and matchstick men 582041;1395798716;*;nubbins` pops corn 582042;1395798722;mircea_popescu;and spielen with liebe, and for that matter bycicle thieves 582043;1395798730;mircea_popescu;with lol 582044;1395798732;mircea_popescu;mit 582045;1395798760;nubbins`;liebe und frieden! 582046;1395798769;BingoBoingo;My goal for the next year. Meet up sort of people to start asking other meetup people if they are me https://twitter.com/DorianSatoshi/status/448634060307705856 582047;1395798825;Duffer1;nubbins' The Fountain 582048;1395798831;mircea_popescu;also liz taylor' 582049;1395798835;mircea_popescu;s weird movies. x y and zee 582050;1395798842;moiety;has anyone seen this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097108/ i just remember it being really strange 582051;1395798850;mircea_popescu;oh and vozvrashchenie 582052;1395798874;mircea_popescu;moiety was so-so 582053;1395798889;mircea_popescu;thye didn't do nearly enough nudity i nythe 80s 582054;1395798912;moiety;one of those they focussed too much on making it look a certain way and not on the story 582055;1395798915;nubbins`;fountain looks ok 582056;1395798919;mircea_popescu;an entire decade of these completely stranged movies, that are sorta like a 15yo prissy rendition of "risque" 582057;1395798935;mircea_popescu;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakville,_Washington 582058;1395798935;ozbot;Oakville, Washington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 582059;1395798947;mircea_popescu;spermdrops falling on my farm, boy... 582060;1395798977;Duffer1;nubbins' it wasn't my favorite, but i believe it's underrated 582061;1395798984;mircea_popescu;nubbins` btw, pink flamingos ? 582062;1395798988;moiety;lmao @ "handling the blobs" 582063;1395798997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.048 = 0.192 BTC [-] 582064;1395798998;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.054 = 0.216 BTC [-] 582065;1395798999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-] 582066;1395799054;mircea_popescu;also malizia (the one with laura antonelli_ 582067;1395799058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00270701 = 0.1489 BTC [+] 582068;1395799151;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg5872355#msg5872355 582069;1395799153;ozbot;[ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG 582070;1395799158;moiety;I have a pink flamingo! http://i.imgur.com/HClc33U.jpg frances, slightly stolen from a hawaiian party 582071;1395799161;mircea_popescu;so basically kraken claims it passed whatgever "proof of reserves" audit thing 582072;1395799173;mircea_popescu;but there's scores of people ciomplaining they've not received their withdrawals etc 582073;1395799197;mircea_popescu;on the off chance anyone here was silly enough to have btc there, prolly a good idea to get them out asap, this looks as awful as it getds. 582074;1395799208;mircea_popescu;moiety tis a film tho. 582075;1395799221;BingoBoingo;md4 puzzle HEX: 50BF68999A8C67CE26B191DCA5D331A8 or B64: UL9omZqMZ84msZHcpdMxqA== 582076;1395799239;moiety;mircea_popescu: bubble burst 582077;1395799254;BingoBoingo;Kraken has been toxic almost as long as vircurex, haven't they? 582078;1395799258;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg5862210#msg5862210 <<< you broke it! 582079;1395799278;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nah, much more recent, and originally they looked legit 582080;1395799285;mircea_popescu;something that never really was the case for vircurex 582081;1395799327;BingoBoingo;Well they pulled their name after your PR supposed a Pirate like thing named Craken in the famous Posting the called out Pirate 582082;1395799333;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524071.msg5896886#msg5896886 582083;1395799345;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo did they ? 582084;1395799357;mircea_popescu;RagnarsBitch who the fuck is ragnar ? 582085;1395799366;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, they just finished a 5 mio funding round 582086;1395799375;BingoBoingo;Well, WHat came first them or the PR saying how to clone Pirate post? 582087;1395799378;mircea_popescu;ragnar le viking ? 582088;1395799397;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo pirate post was april 2012, kraken was like august 2013ish 582089;1395799411;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic except they had a 600 btc hole from before. 582090;1395799416;mircea_popescu;that's 3-4mn of the round. 582091;1395799426;Apocalyptic;i guess that's why they did it 582092;1395799427;mircea_popescu;and in general holes are rarely solo. 582093;1395799440;BingoBoingo;See, the Kraken name's jsut always seemed too toxic. 582094;1395799454;Apocalyptic;but then kinda dubious why would some potential investors want to patch that hole 582095;1395799470;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic you saw actual paper that it actually happened ? 582096;1395799472;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: WHo says they know better? 582097;1395799480;mircea_popescu;in general nothing keeps someone from claiming they got funded. 582098;1395799483;Apocalyptic;I didn't 582099;1395799500;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: "Investors" patched Vircurex's 1000+ BTC hole the first time... 582100;1395799500;Apocalyptic;true, so you think it's just some PR move on thin air ? 582101;1395799508;Apocalyptic;BingoBoingo, unwillingly so 582102;1395799510;asciilifeform;re: kraken et al: makes me wonder how much chumpatronium fuel is left. 582103;1395799510;mircea_popescu;i don't think anything any particular way 582104;1395799516;asciilifeform;do we get to see 'Peak Chump' ? 582105;1395799529;mircea_popescu;but their pr is spiraling out of control in a certain pattern. that's usually the end sign. 582106;1395799530;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: You might be confusing that with the second hole in vircurex. 582107;1395799546;Apocalyptic;I may indeed 582108;1395799549;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform peak chump actually was 2011. 582109;1395799551;mircea_popescu;in btc terms 582110;1395799556;Apocalyptic;haven't followed that vircurex story since the beginning 582111;1395799572;asciilifeform;'11 was before the fiat world shat forth the 'btc investment phunds' etc 582112;1395799590;asciilifeform;so perhaps peak chump is now. or, shortly. 582113;1395799592;Apocalyptic;<mircea_popescu> i don't think anything any particular way // your question seemed to imply otherwise 582114;1395799621;BingoBoingo;Vircurex went: 1) hole 2) Investment 3) hole boogaloo 4) scam 5) BTC-TC and Buttfunder died 6) Cryptostocks scamissance 7) Advertising "Interest" 8) Freeze Mothafucker 582115;1395799632;asciilifeform;it's like watching a 'bug zapper' 582116;1395799637;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic im just not taking anything for granted at this point. 582117;1395799641;asciilifeform;flitter - flitter - bzzz 582118;1395799648;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, fair enough 582119;1395799649;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes but back then 1k btc was peanuts. 582120;1395799675;asciilifeform;point 582121;1395799682;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Vircurex's AssPO was actually spring 2013 582122;1395799707;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well yeah 582123;1395799710;BingoBoingo;When a BTC was ending it's cheapphase 582124;1395799761;BingoBoingo;Eh, I know what Imma blogging tonight. Asparagus is going to have to wait. 582125;1395799851;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.00532521 = 0.2237 BTC [+] 582126;1395799984;BingoBoingo;"Vircurex, never even amateur" seem like a decent title for a Vircurex post? 582127;1395800031;BingoBoingo;The post is basically going to be "Vircurex went: 1) hole 2) Investment 3) hole boogaloo 4) scam 5) BTC-TC and Buttfunder died 6) Cryptostocks scamissance 7) Advertising "Interest" 8) Freeze Mothafucker" with elaboration 582128;1395800046;nubbins`;hm, raspberry pi reboots when i insert a usb drive 582129;1395800054;nubbins`;pretty sure that shouldn't happen 582130;1395800058;adolf_fishler;try throwing it 582131;1395800060;adolf_fishler;at your dog 582132;1395800065;asciilifeform;nubbins`: weak voltage regulator 582133;1395800065;nubbins`;can't; no case, no dog 582134;1395800067;MisterE;morning 582135;1395800073;MisterE;neighbor dog 582136;1395800077;asciilifeform;nubbins`: raspi is a turd in 20 different ways. 582137;1395800080;adolf_fishler;nieghhhhbors horse 582138;1395800083;nubbins`;it's a cat neighbourhood 582139;1395800089;adolf_fishler;lol 582140;1395800090;adolf_fishler;hoa rules? 582141;1395800092;MisterE;thats why they so cheep 582142;1395800093;adolf_fishler;no dogs? 582143;1395800095;nubbins`;asciilifeform: agreed, but it's lovely for streaming media to the tv :D 582144;1395800095;adolf_fishler;do people walk cats there? 582145;1395800099;asciilifeform;nubbins`: one of the worst fiddybucks i ever spent 582146;1395800109;nubbins`;adolf_fishler: occasionally. mostly they just let em wander 582147;1395800119;MisterE;cat is the internet spirit animal dont fuck with cats 582148;1395800125;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: find the best cat pictures 582149;1395800133;BingoBoingo;*finds 582150;1395800140;nubbins`;asciilifeform: not me, but that's just because i've spent fiddy bucks on terrible shit in the past 582151;1395800142;adolf_fishler;can i has poland? 582152;1395800146;adolf_fishler;CAN I HAS POLAND? 582153;1395800171;adolf_fishler;oh its i can has poland. 582154;1395800176;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo not really a good title 582155;1395800183;mircea_popescu;it's not clear what it's supposed to mean. 582156;1395800187;nubbins`;adolf_fishler: if matchstick men sucks, you're fucking DEAD 582157;1395800198;adolf_fishler;rofl 582158;1395800203;adolf_fishler;if matchstick men sucks 582159;1395800209;adolf_fishler;ill put on an apron 582160;1395800210;adolf_fishler;and be ur wife 582161;1395800212;adolf_fishler;for a week 582162;1395800214;nubbins`;I HAVE A WIFE 582163;1395800217;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 582164;1395800219;adolf_fishler;well 582165;1395800221;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well I asked for a reason 582166;1395800222;adolf_fishler;ill come fuck her 582167;1395800224;adolf_fishler;for a week then 582168;1395800224;adolf_fishler;hows that sound. 582169;1395800232;nubbins`;adolf_fishler: no you won't, she doesn't like rice 582170;1395800236;nubbins`;(see what i did there?) 582171;1395800243;adolf_fishler;lol ;o 582172;1395800244;*;nubbins` cackles, turns on movie 582173;1395800246;adolf_fishler;nope 582174;1395800255;adolf_fishler;oh u dl already? 582175;1395800263;adolf_fishler;u guys seen matchstick men? 582176;1395800274;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: find the best cat pictures << http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/0/38/551/38551326_1232655606_medvedev_i_manul.jpg 582177;1395800293;adolf_fishler;lol 582178;1395800294;adolf_fishler;ok i laff 582179;1395800294;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3302/reden5.0/0_1d54_b60d10aa_orig 582180;1395800295;adolf_fishler;in real life 582181;1395800297;adolf_fishler;what the fuck 582182;1395800323;BingoBoingo;Those are the ones 582183;1395800346;mircea_popescu;ok ima have to ignore this dood. too loud. 582184;1395800362;adolf_fishler;what my enter smashing habbits too much for you? 582185;1395800397;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If our local strays were like that I'd have much less coyote handling to do on my walks 582186;1395800424;asciilifeform;these aren't housecats, though. 582187;1395800429;asciilifeform;;;google manul 582188;1395800430;gribble;Pallas's cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallas's_cat>; Manul – the Cat that Time Forgot ~ The Ark In Space: <http://www.arkinspace.com/2011/04/manul-cat-that-time-forgot.html>; Pallas's Cat Manul - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F13bkwYYcxE> 582189;1395800461;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 998 @ 0.00013639 = 0.1361 BTC [-] 582190;1395800517;BingoBoingo;Well, coyote handling doesn't involve putting hands to coyotes either 582191;1395800564;asciilifeform;aha, 'handling' in the german 'Sonderbehandlung' sense. 582192;1395800583;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.10144642 = 1.2174 BTC [-] 582193;1395800592;asciilifeform;where do you even live that has coyote. 582194;1395800618;BingoBoingo;Well step 1) spot coyote at a dumpster 2) growl and intimidate coyote away from dumpster 3) Piss on dumpster maintaining eye contact with coyote 582195;1395800627;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Illinois 582196;1395800638;BingoBoingo;Rural southern Illinois 582197;1395800700;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo can women do this ? 582198;1395800710;BingoBoingo;Prolly 582199;1395800719;mircea_popescu;you ever seen it done ? or know for a fact ? 582200;1395800733;moiety;asciilifeform: i have a manul as my profile pic now 582201;1395800771;BingoBoingo;Not seen women do this. Personally done these steps a few times this winter. 582202;1395800788;asciilifeform;moiety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoBjtE2ffJs 582203;1395800794;moiety;lol that one is even bigger!!!!! 582204;1395800803;mircea_popescu;im kinda curious if it'd work. 582205;1395800827;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0731999 = 0.1464 BTC [-] 582206;1395800881;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well coyotes aren't that big and I haven't seen them in packs here. 582207;1395800913;mircea_popescu;the entire thing'd hinge on whether the animal responds to the behaviour or to the chemical. 582208;1395800932;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform interesting, these aren't really cats, more like leopards. 582209;1395800946;asciilifeform;~lynx sized, afaik 582210;1395800978;mircea_popescu;i originally thought they're basically stray cats that took to the wild 582211;1395800980;mircea_popescu;but seems not 582212;1395800994;asciilifeform;it's one of those 'not quite extinct' exotic beasts 582213;1395800999;mircea_popescu;yea 582214;1395801024;asciilifeform;for some reason, the archetypical russian lolcat 582215;1395801045;moiety;lmfao is this cat polite 582216;1395801064;mircea_popescu;"Like rabbits, after eating they initially produce soft green feces, which they eat again to take in further nutrition, before producing the final, solid, fecal pellets." 582217;1395801067;mircea_popescu;(pikas) 582218;1395801093;moiety;the manul is where modern cast comes from, they havent changed in 12 million years 582219;1395801110;nubbins`;well matchstick men is a piece of shit so far 582220;1395801117;asciilifeform;it being 'felis', could probably be crossed with housecat 582221;1395801132;asciilifeform;paging zoologists. 582222;1395801133;moiety;cats* 582223;1395801188;chetty;http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/03/25/i-r-s-says-bitcoin-should-be-considered-property-not-currency/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&hp&_r=1& 582224;1395801214;benkay;mircea_popescu: kraken signed with the 600B addy last time i ready 582225;1395801215;benkay;read* 582226;1395801218;moiety;i think its a shame they keep them in zoos, they are so solitary their immune systems cant handle living so near people and modern day life, they get sick and die a lot :( 582227;1395801252;mircea_popescu;benkay sure, but that was never in question. if I have 5 that owe me 600 btc pay to the same one address, the fact that i can prove i have received 600 btc in that address is neither here nor there 582228;1395801281;mircea_popescu;the fact that i can't univocally resolve their claims is the problem, and decoying it doens't breed confidence. 582229;1395801288;mircea_popescu;on the contrary, it ruins reputations. 582230;1395801333;*;asciilifeform pictures a scammer who provides 'wiggle XXX coin address' service to other scammerz 582231;1395801346;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_matc3bAwmE1qen79bo1_1280.jpg 582232;1395801360;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i imagine it's coming, but it wouldn't have worked in this case. 582233;1395801360;moiety;asciilifeform: so basically if i want a job involving manuls, i need to go to uni. sucks. 582234;1395801392;benkay;HAW 582235;1395801417;benkay;no shit they signed from an addy that wasn't that to which their 600 missing were sent? 582236;1395801425;benkay;lawd ahmighty 582237;1395801454;mircea_popescu;benkay no no it's like this : 582238;1395801464;mircea_popescu;reports surfaced that they showed the same deposit address(es) to multiple users. 582239;1395801468;mircea_popescu;those people sent btc there. 582240;1395801474;asciilifeform;this, for some reason, inescapably reminds me of the folks who sell the fake piss to dope aficionados 582241;1395801486;mircea_popescu;the fact that they can show that some btc made it there is not relevant. 582242;1395801498;mircea_popescu;the fact that they can't apportion the sent btc to the various users is the problem 582243;1395801531;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The way to reduce piss test fraud is to give portions of the tested at times asparagus and other times no asparagus 582244;1395801540;mircea_popescu;somehow nobody picked on "hey, one address per transaction has its issues as a model" as a result, either. 582245;1395801565;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the common factor isn't the sham, but the lack of any serious desire on the part of the shammed to probe deeper. 582246;1395801570;MisterE;BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu : this is what you need, will solve all your problems... http://i.imgur.com/Po4yC.jpg 582247;1395801577;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo for most of the testees having to eat asparagus prolly qualifies as cruel and unusual. 582248;1395801578;MisterE;I took that pic, real product 582249;1395801615;MisterE;Asparagus is delecious 582250;1395801619;BingoBoingo;MisterE: The thing is coyotes don't make sounds like either dogs or cats, they hoot like owls 582251;1395801621;MisterE;if not overcooked 582252;1395801631;BingoBoingo;Asparagus is great 582253;1395801634;MisterE;hOOters eh? 582254;1395801709;moiety;asciilifeform: what does this one say? http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3302/reden5.0/0_1d54_b60d10aa_orig 582255;1395801726;MisterE;Beware this credit card scam, tons of guys losing money to it! http://i.imgur.com/1jsoff4.jpg 582256;1395801734;asciilifeform;moiety: 'so you aren't fond of cats? / then we are coming to you!' 582257;1395801745;moiety;lololol ty :) 582258;1395801759;*;moiety adds to manul collection 582259;1395801770;adolf_fishler;my question 582260;1395801774;adolf_fishler;who is the camera man here 582261;1395801785;MisterE;timer 582262;1395802173;MisterE;yay! http://insecure.org/news/fulldisclosure/ 582263;1395802305;moiety;"a fresh start (rather than importing the old Full Disclosure member addresses)", ie. he wasn't allowed them 582264;1395802372;asciilifeform;at this point, burden of proof of lack of diabolical (i.e. nsa) involvement is, sadly, on the curator 582265;1395802421;asciilifeform;mailing lists 'can also have problems' 582266;1395802474;BingoBoingo;http://gawker.com/cnn-producers-arrested-for-trespassing-at-the-world-tra-1551650052 582267;1395802475;ozbot;Two CNN Producers Arrested in Sad Attempt to Break into the WTC Site 582268;1395802546;asciilifeform;http://gawker.com/secret-service-agents-sent-home-from-amsterdam-for-part-1551701724 582269;1395802547;ozbot;Secret Service Agents Sent Home From Amsterdam For Partying Too Hard 582270;1395802581;benkay;this is similar to what happens to american kids when they encounter alcohol for the first time at age 18. 582271;1395802598;benkay;and similar to what happens to the remaining rule abiding ones who wait until they're 21. 582272;1395802626;moiety;is it just the scots that start at like, 14-16 then? 582273;1395802626;benkay;so the local three dee printing get together is an utter crankshow 582274;1395802718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0731999 = 0.2196 BTC [-] 582275;1395802733;asciilifeform;moiety: is it just the scots that start at like, 14-16 << i thought they started at ~ -1 582276;1395802756;asciilifeform;moiety: do you folks still have 'drambuie' ? 582277;1395802770;BingoBoingo;Ugh 582278;1395802816;asciilifeform;when i think of scotland, i think of drambuie, haggis, bagpipe, and james clerk maxwell. 582279;1395802827;asciilifeform;together. 582280;1395802840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.0009529 = 22.2026 BTC [+] 582281;1395802843;moiety;thats pretty much it 582282;1395802854;asciilifeform;who needs more. 582283;1395802858;moiety;and pey, my aunt lives across the road from a drambuie place 582284;1395802859;asciilifeform;how many nations have a maxwell. 582285;1395802870;moiety;shes been given free bottles at christmas time and stuff 582286;1395802939;asciilifeform;re: drambuie: mendeleev's great discovery wasn't periodic table of elements, but how to make strong drink non-flammable. 582287;1395802995;asciilifeform;;;google mendeleev 40 degrees 582288;1395802996;gribble;Dmitry Mendeleev and 40 degrees of Russian vodka - English ...: <http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/21-11-2011/119683-dmitry_mendeleev_vodka-0/>; History of Russian vodka | Mendeleyev | Original Russian alcoholic ...: <http://www.vodka-tf.com/history_of_vodka/>; Vodka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vodka> 582289;1395803004;moiety;also: add cream, its also the best kind of drambuie 582290;1395803040;asciilifeform;or perhaps not. 582291;1395803044;moiety;re James Clerk Maxwell, the building named after him and Edinburger uni is pretty immense http://www.ph.ed.ac.uk/sites/default/files/images/jcmb115-585.jpg?1247494244 582292;1395803051;moiety;at* 582293;1395803058;asciilifeform;;;google the maxwellians 582294;1395803058;gribble;The Maxwellians (Cornell History of Science): Bruce J. Hunt ...: <http://www.amazon.com/The-Maxwellians-Cornell-History-Science/dp/0801482348>; The Maxwellians by Bruce J. Hunt — Reviews, Discussion ...: <http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3796857-the-maxwellians>; The Maxwellians - Bruce J. Hunt - Google Books: (1 more message) 582295;1395803061;asciilifeform;recommended. 582296;1395803084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 239 @ 0.00276703 = 0.6613 BTC [+] {4} 582297;1395803153;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean on cartwright ? or on fyodor ? 582298;1395803188;mircea_popescu;lol nioce one BingoBoingo 582299;1395803200;asciilifeform;cartwright? 582300;1395803222;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Which one? The CNN dorks who could not act like white trash? 582301;1395803236;mircea_popescu;yeah 582302;1395803240;BingoBoingo;Ah 582303;1395803243;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the original maintainer 582304;1395803247;asciilifeform;aha 582305;1395803249;asciilifeform;either 582306;1395803250;asciilifeform;both 582307;1395803266;mircea_popescu;and wtf you people with your gawker. what the hell is this, we're supposed to be gun totin' libertarians, we reading gawker nao ?! 582308;1395803283;mircea_popescu;this is a complete breakdown of the system 582309;1395803288;BingoBoingo;Gawker amazes me in its ability to oscilate between the relevant and the worst fermented turds in the sun 582310;1395803313;asciilifeform;'from entomological interest only', as russians say 582311;1395803325;BingoBoingo;lol 582312;1395803374;mircea_popescu;i can;t for the life of me figure how exactly russia taking crimea disqualifies it as an industrialised country. 582313;1395803377;asciilifeform;'Like excrement, it contains enough undigested nuggets of nutrition to sustain life for some. But it is not a tasty pie...' - dennis ritchie 582314;1395803420;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever see film 'mean girls' ? 582315;1395803422;moiety;this is the best woman in russia http://youtu.be/odEiLWJYBL4 582316;1395803430;mircea_popescu;im not sure. maybe not 582317;1395803437;asciilifeform;it merely got kicked out of the 'plastik fantastiks', that's all 582318;1395803453;mircea_popescu;oic. 582319;1395803465;benkay;hey smartypants: what's the 3d imaging technique where you use some knowledge of the lens distortion to compute a point cloud? 582320;1395803473;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: The thing is Americans based on pre-fracking thought reflexively seem to disqualify nations capable of producing fuel from the ranks of the industrialized and are only beginning to shine that light on themselves 582321;1395803495;mircea_popescu;;;google 3d imaging technique where you use some knowledge of the lens distortion to compute a point cloud 582322;1395803497;gribble;Point cloud densification - Department of Computing Science ...: <http://www8.cs.umu.se/~tfy98mfn/exjobb/report.pdf>; 2nd Assignment 776-Spring2013_v2: <http://www.cs.unc.edu/~jmf/teaching/spring2013/2ndAssignment2013.pdf>; Photogrammetry - Agisoft: <http://www.agisoft.ru/wiki/Photogrammetry> 582323;1395803503;moiety;mircea_popescu: if you can remember a time where lindsay lohan had reach puberty but not fucked up on drugs yet (yes it was a small window) that would be mean girls 582324;1395803514;mircea_popescu;oh i think i know it. 582325;1395803530;asciilifeform;moiety: best woman in russia << http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/a/ac/%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%97%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%91%D1%82_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5,_%D0%B2_%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5.jpg 582326;1395803549;mircea_popescu;sorta the thing that spurred paris hilton's crap, then kardashian's crap etc 582327;1395803565;benkay;mircea_popescu: why does google work for you and not me 582328;1395803568;MisterE;Kardashian got famous by being fucked on a reality show iirc? 582329;1395803576;benkay;photogrammetry, by the way 582330;1395803592;mircea_popescu;benkay for i am mp, lord of all things ? 582331;1395803610;mircea_popescu;MisterE but what she was trying to do was a sort of mean girls livetv 582332;1395803625;MisterE;ahh okj 582333;1395803660;mircea_popescu;at least that's what i took it for 582334;1395803670;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: industrial machine vision systems live and die by 'programmetry' 582335;1395803675;asciilifeform;e.g. pcb inspection 582336;1395803694;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05400008 = 0.216 BTC [+] {3} 582337;1395803696;asciilifeform;http://apikabu.ru/img_n/2012-08_6/b6n.jpg 582338;1395803724;benkay;wow where'd you find that, asciilifeform ? 582339;1395803725;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i don't see what the fdl brouhaha is all about 582340;1395803729;mircea_popescu;the dude did it for over a decade 582341;1395803737;asciilifeform;benkay: places 582342;1395803738;mircea_popescu;how the fuck long is he supposed to stick with the shtick ? 582343;1395803755;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 23 @ 0.05285215 = 1.2156 BTC [-] {8} 582344;1395803816;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 34 @ 0.052 = 1.768 BTC [-] 582345;1395803826;asciilifeform;http://anticache.img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80-%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%83-%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80-%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0-%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C-%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D0%BD%D0%B5-%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%8C-675117.jpeg 582346;1395803833;asciilifeform;caption: 'girls, calm down' 582347;1395803872;MisterE;hehe 582348;1395803897;asciilifeform;http://im6.asset.yvimg.kz/userimages/theyakov/EfsEXtM8qloHc0pny8ekEwIPTI4Y6y.jpg 582349;1395803925;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/776e3462fa6e556e23838bba79048a73/tumblr_mkgxfbIZZa1rif94fo2_500.jpg 582350;1395803972;benkay;just so you know old guys i <3 you and all your wisdom: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117088/silicons-valleys-brutal-ageism 582351;1395803993;benkay;“Really, you got this funded?” Stamos asked. Yes, said the kid. “But it obviously didn’t work out,” Stamos replied. Right, said the kid. At which point Stamos began to piece together what must’ve happened. “You collected the data and realized a lot of the data out there is horrible, and you couldn’t make sense of it,” he said. The kid allowed that this was true. “You probably talked to CVS—everyone talks to CVS. And they tho 582352;1395803993;benkay;the best thing since sliced cheese, but they were never willing to buy it.” Again the kid said yes. “Then you realized that anything you’re doing that has to be regulated, like making medical recommendations, requires FDA approval.” By now the kid was demanding to know how Stamos had guessed all of this. “You see these gray hairs?” he said. “It’s the classic model everyone goes through. I know it from Phase Forward.” 582353;1395804025;mircea_popescu;lol 582354;1395804031;mircea_popescu;i think i wrote this somewhere. 582355;1395804060;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07007051 = 0.7007 BTC [-] {5} 582356;1395804097;asciilifeform;;;google knowing which screw 582357;1395804098;gribble;Knowing which screw to turn - Calvin Correli: <http://calvincorreli.com/2007/05/27/knowing-which-screw-to-turn/>; Nail vs. Screw vs. Bolt: Knowing The Right Hardware To Use : Home ...: <http://www.diynetwork.com/home-improvement/nail-vs-screw-vs-bolt-knowing-the-right-hardware-to-use/pictures/index.html>; The Screw - SlideShare: <http://www.slideshare.net/lotharm/the-screw> 582358;1395804108;moiety;sorry went on a hot croissant/coffee mission 582359;1395804122;moiety;asciilifeform: ok ok fair point, best news reader in russia 582360;1395804176;mircea_popescu;that first post is incredibly retarded. 582361;1395804190;asciilifeform;no idea what's in there 582362;1395804211;mircea_popescu;"i dunno man, i justr google here" 582363;1395804212;asciilifeform;ought to be, the ancient legend of 'penny - turn screw, $maxint - 0.01 - which screw' 582364;1395804220;mircea_popescu;it is yea 582365;1395804232;mircea_popescu;some fucktarded "life coach" or w/e shits all over it. 582366;1395804241;asciilifeform;;;yandex foobar 582367;1395804241;gribble;Error: "yandex" is not a valid command. 582368;1395804245;asciilifeform;phuck 582369;1395804282;asciilifeform;wtf is a life coach 582370;1395804301;mircea_popescu;some derp that's trying to make a living out of conferences, and looking for sponsors 582371;1395804309;benkay;'statistics' aside, "Jones found that people in their thirties contributed about 40 percent of the innovations, and those in their forties about 30 percent. People over 50 were responsible for 14 percent, the same share as the twentysomethings. Those under the age of 19 were responsible for exactly nothing." 582372;1395804311;mircea_popescu;but under survival pressure has curtailed the conference to just two people 582373;1395804316;mircea_popescu;and would like you to pick up the tab. 582374;1395804318;benkay;i guess buterin just misses the cutoff. 582375;1395804338;mircea_popescu;benkay yeah because "innovations" are now commodified, like brent 582376;1395804344;benkay;mhm 582377;1395804353;benkay;you just sink wells randomly, right? 582378;1395804358;mircea_popescu;author should just make some hamburger already. 582379;1395804360;benkay;couldn't possibly predict where the sweet stuff is. 582380;1395804432;asciilifeform;re: commoditized 'innovation' - here's a snipped from me turdbox. translation of a page in pelevin's epic 'snuff' (the one with s/ukraine/orkaine, 'orcs', etc) 582381;1395804436;asciilifeform;- How come they use the word "sommelier"? - he asked yet another stupid question, - So many different professions, but only one word... 582382;1395804436;asciilifeform;- That's what they used to call servants who fetched wine. They had big lists of wines, from which gentlemen could choose. And later, this is what they started to call people who dealt in what was once considered creativity. 582383;1395804436;asciilifeform;- Why? 582384;1395804438;asciilifeform;- People had already devised all necessary things. Once, long ago, mankind developed in leaps and bounds - not only did the objects around us change constantly, but so did the words we used. In those days there were a great many names for a creative person - engineer, poet, scholar. And all of them constantly invented new things. But that was mankind's childhood. And then it reached maturity. Creativity did no 582385;1395804443;asciilifeform;t vanish - but it was reduced to choosing from that which had already been created. Figuratively speaking, we no longer grow grapes. We send for a bottle from the cellar. People who carry out this task, we call "sommeliers." 582386;1395804538;BingoBoingo;;;ud derp 582387;1395804538;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=derp | A simple, undefined reply when an ignorant comment or action is made. Brought to life in the South Park series, when Mr. Derp made a guest apperanc... 582388;1395804539;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: derp 582389;1395804548;BingoBoingo;;;ud herp 582390;1395804549;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=herp | Herp. The prefix of "derp". Usually used when saying something foolish. Person 1 : Does anybody know why I can't get my TV to turn on? Person 2: Try plugging ... 582391;1395804549;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: herp 582392;1395804568;moiety;my guess i began with someone trying to tell a noob they were more skilled/important than they actually were asciilifeform 582393;1395804571;moiety;it* 582394;1395804578;asciilifeform;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.N.U.F.F. 582395;1395804578;ozbot;S.N.U.F.F. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 582396;1395804611;mircea_popescu;moiety probably in a quest to get in her panties. 582397;1395804620;mircea_popescu;which probably worked, which is why it got perpetuated. 582398;1395804627;mircea_popescu;I BLAME WOMEN! 582399;1395804635;asciilifeform;nitpick with pediwikia - the 'batman' in the epic is not wearing a 'batman' costume. he's a bloke who smashes heads with a baseball bat. 582400;1395804646;asciilifeform;(can you imagine the word 'batman' being remembered as something else?) 582401;1395804646;moiety;baby daddy is so cool, he's a sommelier you know 582402;1395804699;mircea_popescu;sooo... aaron spelling is just re-doing the same shit over and over 582403;1395804707;VanCleef;anyone heard an update from sfi? 582404;1395804710;mircea_popescu;this baby daddy thing looks exactly like bh20910 or w/e it was 582405;1395804787;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: re: 'derp' - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#507103 582406;1395804825;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I'd never forget Birthday logs 582407;1395804844;asciilifeform;i can't help but think of the 'derp' from that tale, when i see the word, because - believe it or not - i heard it there before elsewhere. 582408;1395804904;asciilifeform;whereas 'herp' inescapably conjures up herpetaria. or perhaps herpes. 582409;1395804982;VanCleef;IRS Declares Bitcoin Is Property and Must Be Taxed As Such.....? 582410;1395805036;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00095156 = 10.0865 BTC [-] {2} 582411;1395805097;moiety;this conversation prompted me to check on our site. my manul doesn't look happy with the cat next to him http://i.imgur.com/k5AUNwZ.png 582412;1395805219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00532521 = 0.5325 BTC [+] 582413;1395805252;moiety;VanCleef: question is, did anyone listen to irs? 582414;1395805340;BingoBoingo;I forgot how long the Vircurex Dossier was, so in the interim enjoy: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/25/the-curious-case-of-vircurex-part-one-try-to-imagine-the-instrumental-theme-for-the-terminator-playing-in-your-head-as-you-read/ 582415;1395805390;VanCleef;not sure moiety but this is pretty bad 582416;1395805416;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Derpasaurii as a construction necessitation clarifying relations between herp and derp 582417;1395805438;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ended up misreading as 'Depresaurii' 582418;1395805447;asciilifeform;depressed/deprecated megafauna 582419;1395805474;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, that may be usefull as I turn my notes into a post. 582420;1395805489;BingoBoingo;They are one of the first ventures in this space I was a customer of 582421;1395805550;BingoBoingo;I depreciated them from my doings when after hack #1 they revealed they made an exchange on RoR 582422;1395805561;asciilifeform;speaking of terminology, is there a... 'suburban dictionary' ? 'rural dictionary' ? 582423;1395805600;BingoBoingo;At that point I imagine they fragment too much 582424;1395805650;asciilifeform;;;ud RoR 582425;1395805650;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ROR | ROR. Abbreviated form of "Raughing out Roud". ROR! I rike fried wice. by www. severedband.com July 13, 2003. 414 73. Mugs & shirts Buy “ROR” mugs & shirts  ... 582426;1395805651;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: ROR 582427;1395805708;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo much better title :p 582428;1395805716;BingoBoingo;Thanks mircea_popescu 582429;1395805762;BingoBoingo;I thought suggesting a 13/16 time signature for a reading cadence at the start might get the gravity of the reading going 582430;1395805905;BingoBoingo;Publishing the quote untitled with simply notes 1 and 2 was also something I weighed 582431;1395806086;KRS-One;.bai 582432;1395806087;KRS-One;.bait 582433;1395806088;ozbot;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2r52o8tqD1qhi11io1_1280.jpg 582434;1395806129;BingoBoingo;I have so many vircurex notes 582435;1395806201;BingoBoingo;If anyone just wants to ask questions and scoop a part of this, I'd be cool with that 582436;1395806584;nubbins`;i used to live with a sommelier 582437;1395806592;nubbins`;he sure did know how to recommend the shit out of wine 582438;1395806652;[\];mircea_popescu: https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1604971_10153660262365058_918624375_n.jpg 582439;1395806663;BingoBoingo;My favorite Grape product has always been Egri Bikaver 582440;1395806689;nubbins`;so gravity was ok but i didn't realize hot pants were standard issue for female astronauts 582441;1395806812;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: So you didn't solve my md4 puzzle yet? 582442;1395806823;nubbins`;didn't even try :D 582443;1395806937;BingoBoingo;Well the answer isn't this what-if.xkcd.com/89/ 582444;1395806955;BingoBoingo;It may have been a hosted online stream of skyfall though 582445;1395807115;nubbins`;tungsten intoxication, imagine 582446;1395807448;MisterE;nubbins`: what was the last movie you watched? 582447;1395807456;nubbins`;gravity 582448;1395807472;MisterE;you were telling someone their recommendation better be good... 582449;1395807477;MisterE;the name seened interesting 582450;1395807481;nubbins`;ah 582451;1395807482;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: Seriously though, Craig is prolly the best Bond since Dalton 582452;1395807483;nubbins`;matchstick men 582453;1395807488;MisterE;thanks thats it 582454;1395807489;nubbins`;it was a piece of shit, turned it off 15min in 582455;1395807494;MisterE;lol crap 582456;1395807496;nubbins`;fuckin nicolas cage 582457;1395807499;VanCleef;craig isterrible 582458;1395807504;VanCleef;sorry 582459;1395807507;MisterE;oh fuck I'm not even going to imdb that 582460;1395807511;MisterE;nick Cage 582461;1395807527;nubbins`;if there's one thing that 5 men will never agree on, it's who the best bond was 582462;1395807534;BingoBoingo;VanCleef: Craig is the third best Bond 582463;1395807535;MisterE;what is his good:bad movie ratio like 1:10 582464;1395807536;MisterE;? 582465;1395807545;nubbins`;1:oo 582466;1395807549;VanCleef;robert rodriguez is making a latino james bond film 582467;1395807555;VanCleef;should be interesting 582468;1395807569;BingoBoingo;Bonds ranked: Connery, Dalton, Craig, Moore, the rest, Connery 582469;1395807579;MisterE;best bond was ofc Shawn Connery 582470;1395807585;VanCleef;i liked dalton and licence to kill tho 582471;1395807586;MisterE;right moiety ? 582472;1395807592;BingoBoingo;Except when Connery was the worst 582473;1395807605;mircea_popescu;[\\\] lol not bad 582474;1395807642;VanCleef;http://www.indiewire.com/article/robert-rodriguezs-new-el-rey-network-plans-a-latino-james-bond-series 582475;1395807642;ozbot;Robert Rodriguez's New El Rey Network Plans a 'Latino James Bond' Series | Filmmakers, Film Industry 582476;1395807649;BingoBoingo;VanCleef: License to kill was prolly the best bond move in the three decades it is in the center of 582477;1395807663;mircea_popescu;nubbins` where oo stands for oo-aa 582478;1395807674;VanCleef;yeh i rewatched it the other day, quite good 582479;1395807680;nubbins`;it was the closest i could get to an infinity symbol without trying 582480;1395807680;BingoBoingo;VanCleef: You realize such a thing is basically Breaking Bad, but centered on Tuco 582481;1395807703;MisterE;who was the Bond in the one with Jaws? Moonraker? 582482;1395807706;VanCleef;not a fan of breaking bad 582483;1395807719;MisterE;Breaking Bad is top 5 series ever made 582484;1395807721;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Both of those was Roger Moore 582485;1395807734;MisterE;probably tied for #2 with Sopranos in my book 582486;1395807747;MisterE;Roger Moore ok he was great 582487;1395807750;BingoBoingo;VanCleef: Honestly it would be better from the Salamancas point of view 582488;1395807768;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Still only the 4th best bond though 582489;1395807781;MisterE;you have them ranked? 582490;1395807789;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Very ranked 582491;1395807820;VanCleef;bingoboingo who do you think would make a good james bond after craig? 582492;1395807840;BingoBoingo;I dunno if it is time to think after Craig yet. 582493;1395807863;BingoBoingo;Craig is so solid and I dunno that any active English actors are ready yet. 582494;1395807897;nubbins`;cage 582495;1395807905;*;nubbins` cackles 582496;1395807940;BingoBoingo;VanCleef: The thing about Craig is LayerCake sold it. 582497;1395807948;VanCleef;i think Michael Fassbender 582498;1395807965;BingoBoingo;Fassbender doesn't have a LayerCake though 582499;1395808005;nubbins`;the idea of the "paleo diet" is interesting, but i can't help be suspicious that it's for fucking idiots 582500;1395808023;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: It is atkins for idiots 582501;1395808035;nubbins`;mostly based on the fact that most of the stuff i read about it appears to have been written by fucking idiots 582502;1395808049;BingoBoingo;Like Diablo-D3 582503;1395808058;nubbins`;"Now that you’ve been eating like a predator for some time, you are discovering that when you eat like a predator, and play like a predator, you start thinking like a predator. Stupid people aren’t annoyances: they’re profit centers. Fat people are no longer disgusting: they’re delicious." 582504;1395808062;nubbins`;what the fuck 582505;1395808068;BingoBoingo;Such idiot, much ketogenic 582506;1395808104;nubbins`;"ever since i went paleo, i don't find fat people disgusting" 582507;1395808167;MisterE;how about Jason Straham? 582508;1395808174;MisterE;is he English? 582509;1395808201;BingoBoingo;Statham? 582510;1395808217;BingoBoingo;English enough, but too old to replace craig 582511;1395808218;MisterE;ah yes I knew I was spelling last name wrong 582512;1395808237;MisterE;I seem to like many of the movies he's in 582513;1395808238;BingoBoingo;These roles have narrow time windows 582514;1395808266;nubbins`;transporter movies sucked 582515;1395808271;BingoBoingo;craig's replacement will prolly be unknowable until at least two years after he's too old 582516;1395808283;BingoBoingo;trasnporter one was good 582517;1395808292;BingoBoingo;The Crank movies were great though 582518;1395808298;*;nubbins` groans 582519;1395808305;nubbins`;not contrived at all 582520;1395808320;BingoBoingo;Contrived has aesthetic uses though 582521;1395808322;nubbins`;like when dude banged his wife in the middle of a football field 582522;1395808328;nubbins`;y'know, for the plot 582523;1395808335;MisterE;Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels he was good in that 582524;1395808336;BingoBoingo;Well, yeah 582525;1395808347;BingoBoingo;That scene was about liberation 582526;1395808350;nubbins`;not because all the HURR DURR knuckleheads who cummed at that scene in the first movie wanted to cum again 582527;1395808399;nubbins`;Crank is the kind of movie the roided-out cokehead at the gym would make 582528;1395808441;BingoBoingo;They can't make it 582529;1395808454;nubbins`;if they could :D 582530;1395808498;BingoBoingo;It isn't a problem of lacking the ability to, they lack the humor 582531;1395808509;joecool;the crank movies were shot on pretty low budget 582532;1395808521;joecool;if i recall they used off the shelf cameras from best buy 582533;1395808544;joecool;so yeah prob good have a bunch of gym guys make it 582534;1395808547;joecool;:) 582535;1395808548;BingoBoingo;joecool: They did indeed 582536;1395808602;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21dgu7/how_can_bitcoin_be_taxed_as_property_but/ 582537;1395808602;ozbot;How can Bitcoin be taxed as property, but regulated as money? It's time for a class action lawsuit. 582538;1395808616;nubbins`;it's time for a where's my ritalin 582539;1395808639;BingoBoingo;lol 582540;1395808686;BingoBoingo;nubbins`: If you can throw a baseball in the strikezone at 92+ mph that will cease to be a dilema 582541;1395808757;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.0027771 = 1.1108 BTC [-] {2} 582542;1395808818;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00605 = 0.484 BTC [-] 582543;1395808846;BingoBoingo;Way down the line in my cue of things I need to post about is why Marijuana is the best performance enhancing drug for handegg 582544;1395808961;VanCleef;another terrible buy from facebook today 582545;1395809012;BingoBoingo;The handegg-weed argument basically boils down to persistent analgesic effect and appetite stimulant effect 582546;1395809013;nubbins`;for lots of stuff 582547;1395809022;nubbins`;i did AP math in high school 582548;1395809029;nubbins`;this one kid used to get lit up before class 582549;1395809039;nubbins`;he wrote his calculus exams with a fucking pen 582550;1395809051;BingoBoingo;I took the GRE plastered 582551;1395809063;BingoBoingo;Off of Dewars white label scotch 582552;1395809105;BingoBoingo;Took the ASVAB with a migraine 582553;1395809119;nubbins`;there was a canadian snowboarded who lost olympic gold after testing + for pot 582554;1395809128;nubbins`;i say give him the silver as well as the gold 582555;1395809135;nubbins`;*snowboarder 582556;1395809136;BingoBoingo;Eh, fuck the Olympics 582557;1395809156;nubbins`;on that, we can agree 582558;1395809177;joecool;nubbins`: he got it back and now runs a very successful pot chain, ross' gold 582559;1395809186;nubbins`;ha 582560;1395809187;joecool;(srsly) 582561;1395809192;joecool;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Rebagliati < 582562;1395809193;ozbot;Ross Rebagliati - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 582563;1395809251;BingoBoingo;On the ASVAB I did the multiple choice thing well enough to qualify for any enlisted job training in the US DoD, but failed the MEPs psych screening 582564;1395809276;BingoBoingo;I was manic as hell that weekend 582565;1395809367;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00605 = 0.599 BTC [-] 582566;1395809368;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.071 = 0.142 BTC [+] 582567;1395809376;VanCleef;dealing with cash seems alot easier than complying with these new bitcoin irs rules 582568;1395809384;BingoBoingo;Not really 582569;1395809400;BingoBoingo;Just convert between the two more selectively 582570;1395809424;BingoBoingo;The only thing the new IRS rules really hurt is Gyft's mode of operation 582571;1395809440;BingoBoingo;Where you convert at astoundingly high frequency 582572;1395809471;BingoBoingo;VanCleef: Were you the NYDFS VanCleef 582573;1395809794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.0027771 = 0.9442 BTC [-] 582574;1395809795;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.00605 = 0.847 BTC [-] {2} 582575;1395810282;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] 582576;1395810970;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=530306.0 582577;1395810972;ozbot;VIRCUREX IS RUNNING WITH NEGATIVE NAV: BEWARE EVERYBODY 582578;1395811703;cazalla;supernodes is back - https://twitter.com/balajis loves to repeat the term 582579;1395811870;BingoBoingo;cazalla: I really just want one of these SV types to kiss my glans and say, "I'm sorry" 582580;1395812075;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/448693246160404481# 582581;1395812075;ozbot;Twitter / BBoingo: @DodgersNation @cfarivar Would ... 582582;1395812478;MisterE;wow, close call: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg9PWSHL4Vg&feature=youtu.be 582583;1395812488;MisterE;wow, close call: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg9PWSHL4Vg 582584;1395812500;MisterE;ozbot dont do YT eh 582585;1395812601;cazalla;wow, 2 minutes and it's gone 582586;1395812652;MisterE;yea amazing 582587;1395812652;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 582588;1395812664;MisterE;construction fires are some of the scariest 582589;1395812712;MisterE;tons of fail by the FD there too, painfully obvious they were out of practice and coms were non-existant 582590;1395812770;chetty;http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/03/26/bitcoin-mtgox-idINDEEA2P03C20140326 582591;1395812771;ozbot;Mt. Gox says working with Tokyo police on investigation 582592;1395812819;MisterE;I think people will get some value back out of Gox once they unravel the mess 582593;1395812829;MisterE;seems like there is some there 582594;1395813369;BingoBoingo;Differences between the crazy and the merely ignorant, the crazy possess an enviable ability for introspection http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php/topic/25093-how-can-i-invent-a-new-disorder/#entry158059 582595;1395814918;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07 = 0.42 BTC [-] {3} 582596;1395815040;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.049 = 0.392 BTC [+] 582597;1395815097;BingoBoingo;;; later someone remind me that tonight I started a great post about the quartz revolution and the swiss watch industry 582598;1395815097;gribble;Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "someone" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin. 582599;1395815801;benkay;;;later tell BingoBoingo tonight you started a post about something 582600;1395815801;gribble;The operation succeeded. 582601;1395815811;benkay;h/t 582602;1395815898;BingoBoingo;;;later tell benkay like any good research paper organizing the rest of it is the challenge 582603;1395815899;gribble;The operation succeeded. 582604;1395819066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62899771 = 1.887 BTC [+] {3} 582605;1395819432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.048 = 0.144 BTC [-] {2} 582606;1395819861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 582607;1395820103;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.04899999 = 0.441 BTC [+] {4} 582608;1395820104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0530005 = 0.106 BTC [-] {2} 582609;1395820105;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] {2} 582610;1395820835;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 582611;1395820957;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-] 582612;1395821689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.62699805 = 4.389 BTC [-] {5} 582613;1395821750;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.62931987 = 8.1812 BTC [+] {4} 582614;1395821872;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62988969 BTC [+] 582615;1395821933;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.6298897 = 5.669 BTC [+] {2} 582616;1395822971;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 529 @ 0.0027771 = 1.4691 BTC [-] 582617;1395823031;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0476 = 0.1428 BTC [-] {2} 582618;1395823214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 582619;1395823275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 582620;1395823702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.04670999 = 0.9342 BTC [-] {8} 582621;1395824129;moiety;;; later tell MisterE nah, the original James Bond to me is Roger Moore; modern Bond Pierce Brosnan/Daniel Craig equally. I can't take Sean Connery seriously after the film with the flying penises, not to mention his ever exaggerated accent :P 582622;1395824130;gribble;The operation succeeded. 582623;1395824328;moiety;;; later tell BingoBoingo something about watches. also i'm unsure if i fell asleep or fainted after reading vicurex's distribution plan :s 582624;1395824329;gribble;The operation succeeded. 582625;1395824739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00277709 = 0.2083 BTC [-] {3} 582626;1395825410;jurov;wuuuuuuut 1000 lines? guys and gals you outdid yourself 582627;1395825419;jurov;*yourselves 582628;1395825532;jurov;what about a bet "#bitcoin-assets daily log to have > 5000 lines any day" 582629;1395825545;jurov;to hedge my inability to keep up 582630;1395825801;moiety;jurov: there was movie suggestions going on XD 582631;1395826832;VanCleef;i like how fb is just throwing money away 582632;1395826843;VanCleef;they're getting desperate 582633;1395827427;HeySteve;you talking Oculus Rift, VanCleef? 582634;1395827467;HeySteve;not sure what FB would want with VR headset but doubtless something sinister 582635;1395827788;cazalla;gotta keep up with google glass 582636;1395827806;VanCleef;yeh steve 582637;1395827864;VanCleef;they're making the matrix fo realz with extra ads 582638;1395828094;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07102 = 0.3551 BTC [-] {2} 582639;1395828095;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.00263502 = 0.137 BTC [-] 582640;1395828096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15317 @ 0.00095264 = 14.5916 BTC [+] 582641;1395828378;cazalla;you will need to login to facebook before logging into the matrix 582642;1395828948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.00532521 = 0.1331 BTC [+] 582643;1395829131;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00095088 = 17.2109 BTC [-] 582644;1395829445;dub;;;later tell asciilifeform remember: Your brain is LIQUEFYING from hanging out with RETARDS. Your PRINCIPLES are liquefying! 582645;1395829445;gribble;The operation succeeded. 582646;1395830146;jurov;nubbins`: the drive asks too much juice, use other or a powered hub 582647;1395830229;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00592872 = 0.5099 BTC [-] {6} 582648;1395831144;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00094844 = 19.1585 BTC [-] {2} 582649;1395831857;Mats_cd03;hi cuties 582650;1395831887;only;hey love <3 582651;1395831998;Neil;Don't really want to restart the convo of 24hrs ago, but I'll just point out that our friend http://bitbet.us/stats/16tAoe9PWgyncvCRxjtisPiNy9Pbcrqsgf/ has done simultaneous bets on both sides of several bets. *Every* 2-way bet that has resolved so far has been a loss for him, often substantially so. 582652;1395832095;jurov;needs bigger sample, one lucky bet could get him into the blue 582653;1395832104;jurov;or black? whatever 582654;1395832157;jurov;and BingoBoingo, don't forget to feature >1y old vircurex screenshot from archive 582655;1395832215;jurov;tables on top of each other and everything.. it was minimalistic ugliness unsurpassed since 582656;1395833340;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05491999 = 0.2746 BTC [-] {3} 582657;1395833470;Neil;.bait 582658;1395833471;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/2c5b2be64d84c73c2a52ccbbe312b2ab/tumblr_my1p1nQKGZ1t0j8ebo1_1280.jpg 582659;1395833584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] 582660;1395834316;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.04540624 = 0.7265 BTC [-] {3} 582661;1395834377;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.045 = 0.18 BTC [-] 582662;1395834657;chetty;Neil:http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/betting-bitbet-both-ways/ 582663;1395835536;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07299489 = 0.292 BTC [+] 582664;1395835597;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299689 = 0.365 BTC [+] 582665;1395835780;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299789 = 0.365 BTC [+] 582666;1395836369;chetty;http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/03/25/Cops-Man-Hit-Girlfriend-With-Anger-Management-Book 582667;1395836369;ozbot;Cops: Man Hit Girlfriend With Anger Management Book 582668;1395836756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04739966 = 0.1422 BTC [+] {2} 582669;1395837610;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00095005 = 7.5054 BTC [+] {2} 582670;1395837929;Mats_cd03;is anyone else tired of this 'big data' tripe being parroted 582671;1395838045;Mats_cd03;i just talked to an "intelligence professional" that wants to study "data sciences and analytics" through a "masters in (applied sciences) big data" 582672;1395838054;Mats_cd03;im about to die of buzzword poisoning 582673;1395838311;Mats_cd03;universities should just offer 'ripping off government acquisitions managers' as a degree and be done with it 582674;1395838812;cedivad;Mats_cd03: lol; +1 582675;1395839416;blackwhite;morning gents 582676;1395839471;mircea_popescu;ello 582677;1395839644;blackwhite;so this is unrelated to bitcoin but might still be of interest. I am doing a contextual note taking app for osx. I have an alpha version and is looking for a few people to test it. The look of it is like this http://grab.by/vs1G 582678;1395839656;blackwhite;and I would love some none designers to test it out 582679;1395839800;herbijudlestoids;hullo 582680;1395839847;herbijudlestoids;just thought id pop in 582681;1395839853;mircea_popescu;hey herbi 582682;1395839859;herbijudlestoids;hows life? 582683;1395839870;mircea_popescu;just in time, i'm hatching a scholarship thingee 582684;1395839876;herbijudlestoids;orly? 582685;1395839879;mircea_popescu;yarly. 582686;1395839884;herbijudlestoids;tell me more 582687;1395839894;herbijudlestoids;ps: i saw your letters to the SEC. lelz. 582688;1395839915;herbijudlestoids;randomly on coindesk one day saw MPex mentioned, about a week ago ithink 582689;1395839999;mircea_popescu;you need better sources lolz. 582690;1395840003;mircea_popescu;anyway, prolly next article. 582691;1395840069;herbijudlestoids;anyway i just wanted to pop in and check that youre all alive and well 582692;1395840121;herbijudlestoids;<3 582693;1395840660;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00285853 = 0.2859 BTC [-] {5} 582694;1395841039;TomServo;mircea_popescu: when you laying that egg? 582695;1395841156;mircea_popescu;i dunno, it's one of those 582696;1395841163;mircea_popescu;floating in my head doesn't want to come out 582697;1395841794;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-have-fun-as-an-intelligent-person/#comment-98711 << today i learned someone's been actually doing something pretty close to the whole google-bitbet thing 582698;1395841796;ozbot;How to have fun as an intelligent person pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 582699;1395842246;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0715 = 0.429 BTC [-] {2} 582700;1395842504;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/smvuacK.png 582701;1395842551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 54 @ 0.00228926 = 0.1236 BTC [-] {9} 582702;1395843066;Mats_cd03;BingoBoingo: what was your MOS 582703;1395843100;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00094739 = 9.5686 BTC [-] {2} 582704;1395843502;mircea_popescu;http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/08/Obama-Administration-s-Operation-Choke-Point-On-Mission-to-Destroy-Key-Sectors-of-Private-Lending-Industry 582705;1395843502;ozbot;Obama's 'Operation Choke Point' Seeks to Destroy Sectors of Private Lending Industry 582706;1395843515;mircea_popescu;" 'Operation Choke Point,' which is designed to destroy three sectors of the private lending industry: third party payment processors ("TPPPs"), payday lenders, and online lenders. ". sez breitbart. 582707;1395843626;Mats_cd03;i disagree with the belief that payday lenders are toxic 582708;1395843642;Mats_cd03;the fact that banks suck so much is precisely why consumers have fled to their services 582709;1395843653;Mats_cd03;^ away rather 582710;1395843657;mircea_popescu;what's toxic is, as always, plastic. 582711;1395843678;mircea_popescu;the fact that they enforce it on the "Well to do" govt employees makes it very expensive for actual workers to gateway to the cash ecpnomy they use 582712;1395843692;mircea_popescu;basically they're forcing people to be paid in lala land whether they live in lalaland or the actual tide economy 582713;1395843724;Mats_cd03;its simpler than that 582714;1395843731;Mats_cd03;http://www.theatlanticcities.com/jobs-and-economy/2013/09/why-poor-choose-go-without-bank-accounts/6783 582715;1395843732;ozbot;The Real Reason the Poor Go Without Bank Accounts - Lisa J. Servon - The Atlantic Cities 582716;1395843756;Mats_cd03;less friction seems to be the simplest way to describe it 582717;1395843777;mircea_popescu;yup. is pretty much what i meant. 582718;1395843809;chetty;the organization plays a critical role in influencing the behavior of banks and financial institutions around the country 582719;1395843825;Mats_cd03;the above article should be required reading for self titled bitcoin enthusiasts 582720;1395843955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.05562636 = 0.6119 BTC [+] {3} 582721;1395843994;mircea_popescu;we probably should make a list of required reading 582722;1395844004;mircea_popescu;lampelina hey, you considering a "must read these" page ? 582723;1395844076;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 752 @ 0.00013675 = 0.1028 BTC [+] {3} 582724;1395844427;chetty;Mats_cd03, that was a great article, thanks much 582725;1395844509;Mats_cd03;glad you liked it chetty 582726;1395845430;lampelina;mircea_popescu, what do you mean with that 582727;1395845440;lampelina;a faq or similar? 582728;1395845470;mircea_popescu;no, like a recomended reading list. 582729;1395845575;ThickAsThieves;maybe it ends up a curriculum 582730;1395845666;ThickAsThieves;again now http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/03/26/oculus-shares-up-152-but-its-not-that-oculus/?mod=WSJBlog 582731;1395845750;mircea_popescu;Oculus VisionTech Inc.OVTZ +87.50%, 582732;1395845752;lampelina;will think about it when I come to this 582733;1395845756;mircea_popescu;and then we bitch about bitcoiners being clueless. 582734;1395845789;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves we definitely need a curriculum, currently it's "stfu and read", but the implied "read what ?!" is never really addressed. 582735;1395845817;ThickAsThieves;yeah, "go read the logs and the forum" isn't quite realistic anymore 582736;1395845821;mircea_popescu;making a proper reading list is definitely something someone with a background in education could halp with 582737;1395845825;ThickAsThieves;it's a fucking oddysey by now 582738;1395845833;mircea_popescu;the logs are > 50mb on my disk. who can read that ? 582739;1395845850;mircea_popescu;and the forums i wouldn't advise anyone to read, unless they had mastered both the topic and internet stuff. 582740;1395845857;ThickAsThieves;i feel like i should be able to get a job just mased on all the readin ive done the past year 582741;1395845866;mircea_popescu;in principle you should, yes. 582742;1395845871;ThickAsThieves;based* 582743;1395845899;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure eventually people will, just this bs "o we're the sec/jpm/herpdiderp, we don't need no stikinin' obedience to bitcoin" will have to be either crushed or dissolved first. 582744;1395845967;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00270082 = 0.2593 BTC [-] {3} 582745;1395845985;mircea_popescu;what did that thing ipo at, was it 25 ? or 30 something ? 582746;1395846028;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 227 @ 0.0027008 = 0.6131 BTC [-] {2} 582747;1395846031;ThickAsThieves;both i guess 582748;1395846037;kakobrekla;<mircea_popescu> making a proper reading list is definitely something someone with a background in education could halp with < yes someone give her a hand so we dont end up with links to facebook :p 582749;1395846061;ThickAsThieves;xbond round was 25, full offering was 30 582750;1395846075;mircea_popescu;ic 582751;1395846087;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla kinda what im tryin for :) 582752;1395846188;mircea_popescu;"If your employer offers you insurance that doesnt provide free ella, or anything else on the list of preventive servicesas defined by Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and ultimately by Obamathen its subject to a fine of $36,500 a year. But if your employer doesnt offer you insurance at all, its subject to a fine of $2,000 a year. " 582753;1395846197;mircea_popescu;the usg wrote the book on perverse incentives, srsly. 582754;1395846244;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Marriage_Leopold_of_Austria_Eleonore_of_Pfalz_Neuburg.jpg << cocksucking was A LOT more expensive in 1676. 582755;1395846251;kakobrekla;<ThickAsThieves> i feel like i should be able to get a job just mased on all the readin ive done the past year < isnt it the point that you end up not having 'a job' 582756;1395846279;asciilifeform;somebody explain the mindfuck from earlier. the 'check cashing shop' thing isn't a straight scam? 582757;1395846313;ThickAsThieves;depends how you define job kako 582758;1395846333;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.01634198 = 0.2778 BTC [-] {5} 582759;1395846364;ThickAsThieves;i define it as something productive, worth doing, that provides mutual benefit to me and at least one other party 582760;1395846376;kakobrekla;i thought it was an acronym for just over broke 582761;1395846377;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no ? 582762;1395846394;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 118 @ 0.01603934 = 1.8926 BTC [-] {7} 582763;1395846426;kakobrekla;<ThickAsThieves> i define it as something productive, worth doing, that provides mutual benefit to me and at least one other party < you dont need a biz or a job or anything for that 582764;1395846431;kakobrekla;go pick up trash 582765;1395846432;mircea_popescu;about 200mn of us citizens live in the fictitious world of bezzle. they never use cash for anything. about 50mn us citizens live in the real economy, they mostly use tide for currency, but at the fringe there's this exchange of people who work for the fictitious economy, 582766;1395846439;asciilifeform;the way it was explained to me, by one wretch, is that many folks who refuse to use ordinary banks do so because they were hounded by creditors (ordinary ones, and government alimony collectors) 582767;1395846441;mircea_popescu;but then try to obtain their wages in actual cash 582768;1395846458;mircea_popescu;nope. it's mostly because they are not part of that world. 582769;1395846489;mircea_popescu;like you know, some people don't wear dockers, because they're not social justice warriors, the women they fuck don't even know what dockers are, etc. 582770;1395846503;asciilifeform;how does using paper benjamins release you from bezzle? 582771;1395846515;mircea_popescu;it's not that it releases you from it, 582772;1395846534;mircea_popescu;it's just that it makes no sense for you to keep virtual benjamins if you do nothing in the bezzle. 582773;1395846552;mircea_popescu;by now it's pretty much two different currencies. 582774;1395846567;mircea_popescu;the 401k-dollar and the cocaine-stained-dollar, 582775;1395846570;mircea_popescu;different entirely. 582776;1395846574;asciilifeform;a little hard to buy a reel of 0805 resistors with paper hundies 582777;1395846585;mircea_popescu;but that guy does not buy a reel of resistors. 582778;1395846593;ThickAsThieves;kakobrekla> <ThickAsThieves> i define it as something productive, worth doing, that provides mutual benefit to me and at least one other party < you dont need a biz or a job or anything for that /// only in the broad sense, i wouldnt personally find that "worth doing" in my own values of what my time is worth 582779;1395846594;mircea_popescu;a little hard to buy what he buys with wot rating. 582780;1395846645;ThickAsThieves;not saying i'm "above" picking up trash, i have at times, just that it's not the right fit, nor taking advantage of any of my experience 582781;1395846675;ThickAsThieves;i guess i am saying i'me above it, i dunno 582782;1395846682;mircea_popescu;lol 582783;1395846690;mircea_popescu;that escalated quickly. 582784;1395846707;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: i've laid cable, for instance, to eat. 582785;1395846737;ThickAsThieves;well, sure, gotta do what you gotta do 582786;1395846760;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2700 @ 0.00262857 = 7.0971 BTC [-] {10} 582787;1395846790;kakobrekla;i did a lot of stuff to eat 582788;1395846794;ThickAsThieves;let's not veer over a cliff here, this started mostly by pointing out that anyone who's well read in this space probably has something valuable to offer 582789;1395846799;kakobrekla;never had a job in my view. 582790;1395846804;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: if you're hard up for work, become a reverse engineer 582791;1395846816;ThickAsThieves;i'm not hard up for work 582792;1395846824;asciilifeform;people have serious problems hiring any 582793;1395846830;ThickAsThieves;i am however having trouble choosing work 582794;1395846839;mircea_popescu;i guess im the only privileged asshole here, i never did anything to eat. 582795;1395846948;mike_c;i cooked and disposed of laboratory trash to pay for school. worst smell of my life. 582796;1395847084;kakobrekla;>Goat's posts are disappearing.. by whom? 582797;1395847091;kakobrekla;>>Probably deleted by himself because his user ID does not appear in the modlog (Ctrl + F "44233" without quotation marks). All deleted posts are still visible on bitcointa.lk though (this thread is 6 pages longer). 582798;1395847093;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 401k-dollar and the cocaine-stained-dollar << nobody forces people to jump in chumpatron 582799;1395847096;kakobrekla;double lel. 582800;1395847106;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but yes they do. suppose you work for company x. 582801;1395847113;mircea_popescu;you can't instruct them to pay you in cash. 582802;1395847167;asciilifeform;in u.s. you can usually become 'contractor' and get your pay in whole, then you are required to pay the tax collectors manually 582803;1395847173;mircea_popescu;no, you can't. 582804;1395847184;mircea_popescu;if you become a contractor you will be paid by check 582805;1395847192;mircea_popescu;and that will be deposited in your bank account 582806;1395847196;mircea_popescu;and you can't take the cash out. 582807;1395847208;mircea_popescu;on one hand because you are legally required to keep your money in the bank 582808;1395847218;mircea_popescu;on the other hand because you're not rlegally allowed to make withdrawals. 582809;1395847240;ThickAsThieves;i missed something, why can't someone withdraw their money? 582810;1395847245;asciilifeform;since when? every bank i ever used let you take it out. granted, if you take more than $xxxx in one day, the anti-terrorism folks get a phone call. 582811;1395847258;BingoBoingo;Mats_cd03: I was unwaiverably ineligible, because crazy 582812;1395847258;benkay;another cuh-ray-zee aspect of the bezzle is the plastic rewards thing that makes cash more expensive. 582813;1395847264;chetty;well you can withdraw, but its not so easy etc. 582814;1395847295;ThickAsThieves;yes the $xxxx thing is a real throttle 582815;1395847298;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so then what part of "not allowed" don't you follow ? 582816;1395847306;mircea_popescu;you're allowed except you're not and if you do we fuck you up ? 582817;1395847341;mircea_popescu;let's run some scenarios. i am a contractor, working for you. you write me a check for 100k. 582818;1395847348;mircea_popescu;i go to bank, order them to pay me 100k. 582819;1395847350;mircea_popescu;they tell me they can't. 582820;1395847352;mircea_popescu;problem solved. 582821;1395847358;mircea_popescu;i order them to pay me 10k. 582822;1395847361;mircea_popescu;they tell me they can;t. 582823;1395847364;mircea_popescu;problem also solved. 582824;1395847370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 145 @ 0.00591 = 0.857 BTC [-] {4} 582825;1395847373;mircea_popescu;they then proceed me to tell me that they can pay some, but can't tell me how much. 582826;1395847379;ThickAsThieves;you could do 9k per day without much fuss 582827;1395847388;mircea_popescu;if i hire someone to go take money out every day for a year, 300 bucks at a time, 582828;1395847404;mircea_popescu;and keep it at home, i'll be in violation of the "corps must keep their funds i na bank" rule. 582829;1395847417;mircea_popescu;in any case any qty of cash will be confiscated by govt agents on sight 582830;1395847419;mircea_popescu;and on it goes. 582831;1395847430;asciilifeform;that last part, is, afaik, true 582832;1395847431;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves the fuss will be that on the third time yo udo it your house will be confiscated, 582833;1395847443;asciilifeform;but there isn't an official 'humans must keep cash in a bank' rule atm. 582834;1395847453;ThickAsThieves;hmm 582835;1395847454;mircea_popescu;pending you prove that you have a "legitimate reason" and in any case you face prosecution under the "trying to avoid prosecution for using your own money" laws. 582836;1395847467;asciilifeform;you are theoretically welcome to keep your pay in gold, or cement, so long as the tax was paid 582837;1395847471;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, but contractors aren't physical persons, they're legal persons, and that rule does exist. 582838;1395847486;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform very theoretically. in the sense you're theoretically welcome to shoot the president. 582839;1395847521;mircea_popescu;so no, participation in the us chumpatron is voluntary in the sense participation in the communist party was voluntary. 582840;1395847546;asciilifeform;ok in that sense it is very true 582841;1395847556;jborkl;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=534620.0 582842;1395847558;ozbot;Selling Sperm 582843;1395847563;jborkl;heh 582844;1395847580;mircea_popescu;lol. someone should point out to the sperm seller the precedent re paying for child support. 582845;1395847597;asciilifeform;one can still decide on the degree to which to play the chumpatron. no one is forced to buy 401k, yet. 582846;1395847603;mircea_popescu;yes, you are. 582847;1395847614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00013798 = 0.138 BTC [+] {3} 582848;1395847619;mircea_popescu;ever worked in an office asciilifeform ? 582849;1395847621;ThickAsThieves;it's shoved down your throat at least 582850;1395847624;asciilifeform;sure 582851;1395847633;mircea_popescu;suppose you work as an accountant, with six others. 582852;1395847640;mircea_popescu;suppose you're the only one who doesn't. 582853;1395847643;ThickAsThieves;so much so that your family advocates it endlessly too 582854;1395847646;mircea_popescu;suppose the yearly review mentions this point. 582855;1395847651;mircea_popescu;suppose someone has to be let go. 582856;1395847663;benkay;"but you're giving up free money!" 582857;1395847690;asciilifeform;if it's a corp that 'matches' 401k, and avaricious boss, he ought to fire the more expensive fellow (the one who opts in) ? 582858;1395847711;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the one who opts out is more expensive to him. 582859;1395847716;mircea_popescu;the matching gives him a tax break. 582860;1395847736;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 675 @ 0.00048893 = 0.33 BTC [+] {5} 582861;1395847737;mircea_popescu;if he plans his budget, and you upset the planning, 582862;1395847755;mircea_popescu;you may actually force him over a threshold, with results so far out of proportion he might as well just shoot you and bury you in hudson river. 582863;1395847774;benkay;thereby collecting the insurance policy he took out on you. 582864;1395847781;asciilifeform;not that this situation is impossible - but most large co.s have a third party run their chumpatronics 582865;1395847789;mircea_popescu;so ? 582866;1395847792;asciilifeform;so the fellow who is to fire you may not even know if you use 401k 582867;1395847797;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00587761 = 0.8816 BTC [-] {9} 582868;1395847799;mircea_popescu;third parties can also shoot you and bury you in the river. 582869;1395847802;mircea_popescu;hahaha. 582870;1395847807;mircea_popescu;what are you, from the 60s ? 582871;1395847812;mircea_popescu;they have like computers now and shit. 582872;1395847936;asciilifeform;once again, i can't say that this scenario is impossible. just that it includes an extraordinary level of 'personal attention' from bureaucrats who would normally rather play tetris 582873;1395847980;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00013505 = 0.1351 BTC [-] {2} 582874;1395848041;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00013107 = 0.1311 BTC [-] {4} 582875;1395848126;asciilifeform;actually i can readily believe that exactly this would happen to, say, an executive salaried $1M 582876;1395848164;asciilifeform;if he were to demand his pay in something like money (even banked, electronic money, with all applicable tax paid) he might 'begin to have problems.' 582877;1395848208;VanCleef;anyone know goats address i'd like to send him a bucket of sperm 582878;1395848224;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07000007 = 0.7 BTC [-] {4} 582879;1395848235;thestringpuller;!last m s.mpoe 582880;1395848235;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00094739 BTC [-] 582881;1395848247;thestringpuller;;;google kanye power 582882;1395848248;gribble;Kanye West - POWER - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53gjP-TtGE>; Kanye West - POWER [FULL ORIGINAL HQ SONG] - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouwCWDbBskU>; Kanye West – Power Lyrics | Rap Genius: <http://rapgenius.com/Kanye-west-power-lyrics> 582883;1395848263;VanCleef;oh dear 582884;1395848279;artifexd;<mircea_popescu> suppose someone has to be let go. << Fire the person that sucks at their job 582885;1395848435;benkay;note the damoclean sword in that video, thestringpuller ? 582886;1395848544;BingoBoingo;!last S.POWER 582887;1395848544;assbot;I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly. 582888;1395848548;VanCleef;youknow whats funny about kanyewest his mom died from plastic surgery that he paid for lol 582889;1395848574;VanCleef;what a douche 582890;1395848677;benkay;comedy is when the bad guy dies 582891;1395848684;benkay;tragedy is when everyone dies 582892;1395848705;thestringpuller;;;seen smickles 582893;1395848705;gribble;smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 4 days, 17 hours, 41 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <smickles> wtf bet on the price rising rather than buying more or buying an option (or similar) 582894;1395848722;thestringpuller;XD enjoi your retirement old friend 582895;1395848899;benkay;Neil: why not reignite the discussion? 582896;1395848941;mircea_popescu;artifexd i suppose that's the one thing that has never happened yet. 582897;1395848993;benkay;Neil: you neglected to mention that his odds are much longer than the house odds 582898;1395849012;benkay;and you also didn't tabulate and chart your claim, but that's neither here nor there. 582899;1395849430;VanCleef;how is candy crush worth 500 million its just an app 582900;1395849444;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04501 = 0.3151 BTC [-] {2} 582901;1395849521;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu, remember the tards from http://trilema.com/2014/robert-keith-cristopher-jr-matt-sartain-kristian-thomson-cryptorush-much-comedy-lulzgoldmine/ ? 582902;1395849527;mircea_popescu;yeah 582903;1395849534;Apocalyptic;seems they just played the "we got haxxed" part 582904;1395849540;Apocalyptic;http://pastebin.com/DdDjN72U 582905;1395849541;ozbot;Cryptorush BC shit (complete) - Pastebin.com 582906;1395849557;mircea_popescu;awww! 582907;1395849568;Apocalyptic;much sooner than I expected tbh 582908;1395849626;VanCleef;dot com bubble 2.0 582909;1395849749;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.32121462 BTC to 4`622 shares, 50221 satoshi per share 582910;1395849754;Apocalyptic;"[03:43] <Linkandzelda> I built my exchange to work around the daemon's account feature for managing user trades and balances/deposits/withdraws 582911;1395849754;Apocalyptic;" 582912;1395849759;Apocalyptic;oh no this is too god 582913;1395849761;Apocalyptic;*good 582914;1395849791;Apocalyptic;it's well known that even bitcoin's account are completely buggy and broken 582915;1395849818;Mats_cd03;if someone hosts the so-called bitcoin educational page, ill help populate it with materials 582916;1395849840;Apocalyptic;or was until 0.9 anyway, Gavin claims to have fixed it 582917;1395849846;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 well lampelina will, i gather. 582918;1395849859;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic maybe drop a link to the article ? 582919;1395849865;mircea_popescu;or what channel is this ? 582920;1395849878;Apocalyptic;i think it's #cryptorush, i'm not in that channel though 582921;1395850029;VanCleef;;google theglobe.com 582922;1395850047;VanCleef;;;google theglobe.com 582923;1395850047;gribble;theglobe.com - About Us: <http://www.theglobe.com/>; theGlobe.com - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheGlobe.com>; Remember theGlobe.com? Tech IPOs have a dismal ... - CNN Money: <http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/16/technology/facebook-ipo-warning/> 582924;1395850054;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07386573 = 7.3866 BTC [+] {8} 582925;1395850081;Mats_cd03;[03:45] <Linkandzelda> which basically, I dont knpow how, but it gave users too many coins (too many being an extra 21 million in total) 582926;1395850103;mircea_popescu;i left them a link, should manage on their own. 582927;1395850119;Mats_cd03;i bet this individual doesnt know the difference between signed and unsigned integers 582928;1395850203;padishah_emperor;what bitcoin stocks should I put money into ? 582929;1395850210;benkay;vircurex 582930;1395850215;mike_c;fyrstikken sounds familiar. what exchange does he run? 582931;1395850228;padishah_emperor;coinrush 582932;1395850230;padishah_emperor;? 582933;1395850239;benkay;padishah_emperor: basically zero stocks have outperformed holding btc. 582934;1395850253;benkay;there are some notable exceptions, but they're not popular. 582935;1395850254;mike_c;oh, derp. he is one of the three amigos from coinrush. 582936;1395850267;VanCleef;you're better off holding coin 582937;1395850272;mike_c;er, cryptorush 582938;1395850301;padishah_emperor;benkay: ok thanks, thought so 582939;1395850317;mike_c;padishah_emperor: he was kidding. they are insolvent. 582940;1395850339;mike_c;geez. i am an idiot today. ignore that. 582941;1395850359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6297 @ 0.00094853 = 5.9729 BTC [+] {2} 582942;1395850407;mircea_popescu;benkay orly ? 582943;1395850411;Mats_cd03;padishah_emperor: mpex.co ? 582944;1395850449;Mats_cd03;benkay mp is about to brag about mpoe just give it a second 582945;1395850507;benkay;well with a softball pitch like that why wouldn't he 582946;1395850529;benkay;if padishah_emperor hasn't found mpoe on his/her own... 582947;1395850542;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.055 = 0.275 BTC [-] 582948;1395850621;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 what is this mpoe you speak of. 582949;1395850658;padishah_emperor;mircea 582950;1395850665;padishah_emperor;do you want my money ? 582951;1395850684;mircea_popescu;notrly. 582952;1395850693;padishah_emperor;oh 582953;1395850780;padishah_emperor;mircea any advice on where I _should_ throw my money? 582954;1395850798;mircea_popescu;mnope. who are you anyway ? 582955;1395850816;padishah_emperor;just a guy with money 582956;1395850834;mircea_popescu;well then you should hold on to it and spend a year or so reading. 582957;1395850839;mircea_popescu;the log is in the topic. 582958;1395850847;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07399999 = 0.148 BTC [+] 582959;1395850883;padishah_emperor;but time is money, friend 582960;1395850892;mircea_popescu;exactly. spend your time so you may keep your money. 582961;1395850913;padishah_emperor;i have lots of money but not much time :( 582962;1395850946;mircea_popescu;vacation is in order. 582963;1395850970;BingoBoingo;I hear Transnidstria is a beautiful place 582964;1395850981;asciilifeform;lol! 582965;1395850985;mircea_popescu;nah 582966;1395851000;mircea_popescu;it's a sort of "shity strip of new jerseu" 582967;1395851004;mircea_popescu;s/u/y 582968;1395851023;asciilifeform;someone needs to start a 'war vacation' agency 582969;1395851048;padishah_emperor;my father was from moldova 582970;1395851050;asciilifeform;basic training for extra cost 582971;1395851051;padishah_emperor;romanian 582972;1395851056;VanCleef;buy more time 582973;1395851142;padishah_emperor;mircea i think whether you like it or not you're getting my money 582974;1395851153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.60409765 = 15.1024 BTC [-] {11} 582975;1395851175;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldiers_of_Fortune_%28film%29 582976;1395851184;VanCleef;buy some candrycrush shares 582977;1395851196;BingoBoingo;"The freedom fighters are poorly-funded, and thus are sourcing money via war tourism, inviting wealthy foreigners to join their ranks for the thrills and experience." 582978;1395851200;thestringpuller;"if you're getting bitcoin throw it in the air. bitcoin-assets, the hustler's lair." 582979;1395851223;Mats_cd03;your negro vernacular is lacking, thestringpuller 582980;1395851239;thestringpuller;COME AT ME BRO 582981;1395851258;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if this business actually existed, it couldn't rely on 'naturally-occurring' wars. 582982;1395851275;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it would need to set up a reliable one. by shipping clients to both 'sides' 582983;1395851283;padishah_emperor;honestly guys I made ~680-90k aud on fucking dogecoin 582984;1395851291;padishah_emperor;so i have less aprreciation for money 582985;1395851293;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Of course. 582986;1395851297;padishah_emperor;and more for absurdist theatre 582987;1395851317;padishah_emperor;so I'm beyond it... 582988;1395851328;VanCleef;i believe your honesty 582989;1395851330;BingoBoingo;padishah_emperor: Maybe choose a side here? http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ 582990;1395851347;bounce;so now we have a bunch that did their own coind and customer funds went AWOL. and a bunch that used the reference client and customer funds went AWOL. now, digital finance is unforgiving, but I'll say that it's not purely operator error in a hostile environment; looks like the machinery is dangerous too. 582991;1395851394;asciilifeform;bounce: 'reference client hacked' is 'extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence' 582992;1395851432;asciilifeform;bounce: not because the thing isn't a turd - it is - but it is then necessary to explain why other people's coins have stayed put. 582993;1395851480;BingoBoingo;bounce: They used "features" that weren't really implemented 582994;1395851550;bounce;well, yes, but that's not really the point. the reference client perhaps shouldn't be filled with interfaces that don't work very well. 582995;1395851580;benkay;talk to the 'core dev team' about that. 582996;1395851582;BingoBoingo;Well, use version 0.4-0.6 582997;1395851601;BingoBoingo;With the config change to raise the DB locks 582998;1395851614;Mats_cd03;https://soundcloud.com/gruuvtastic/the-black-keys-fever The Black Keys single 582999;1395851635;asciilifeform;reference client perhaps shouldn't be filled with interfaces that don't work << not everything in the kitchen is food. rat poison is not a condiment 583000;1395851680;bounce;oh, so the core devs are at it deliberately 583001;1395851684;asciilifeform;from whom is this a secret 583002;1395851746;VanCleef;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6MeB5uLflo 583003;1395851746;ozbot;Tulip Mania: The First Bubble [Debt & Doubt - Animation 6] - YouTube 583004;1395851748;bounce;bit of a problem then that from the outside you can't see just how the exchange's innards pick their condiments 583005;1395852372;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05500001 = 0.22 BTC [+] 583006;1395852693;adolf_fishler;wheres nubbins 583007;1395852696;adolf_fishler;did he watch matchstickmen 583008;1395852738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00275 = 0.825 BTC [+] 583009;1395852799;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 199 @ 0.00275 = 0.5473 BTC [+] 583010;1395853179;ThickAsThieves;http://buttcoin.org/irs-rules-bitcoin-actually-news 583011;1395853179;ozbot;IRS rules on Bitcoin; This is actually news - Buttcoin - The P2P crypto-currency for butts. - Buttco 583012;1395853188;ThickAsThieves;us buttcoin owner in this channel 583013;1395853191;ThickAsThieves;good stuff 583014;1395853199;ThickAsThieves;is*? 583015;1395853652;FabianB;has it been discussed yet why Huobi is paying ppl that were just too foolish to market sell into a too shallow order book? 583016;1395853653;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07051101 = 0.282 BTC [-] 583017;1395853683;thestringpuller;;;ticker 583018;1395853684;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 585.5, Best ask: 586.29, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 586.29, 24 hour volume: 11784.29834825, 24 hour low: 565.0, 24 hour high: 592.0, 24 hour vwap: 580.322827357 583019;1395853893;asciilifeform;http://cryptome.org/2014/03/ubiquitous-comsec.htm << somebody needs a new shannonizer. this one's sputtering. 583020;1395854080;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00278999 = 0.1395 BTC [-] {2} 583021;1395854089;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: potential sequel to your cesar cipher essay: 583022;1395854093;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/police-convict-chile-drug-trafficker-after-discovering-secret-code 583023;1395854145;asciilifeform;somehow this is all very reminiscent of folks disenchanted with the american medical establishment switching to snake oils, faith healing 583024;1395854217;Mats_cd03;benkay: leviathan wakes isnt bad, im ~100 pages through 583025;1395854504;benkay;i lost several nights of sleep to that book 583026;1395854657;asciilifeform;http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-03-24/russia-gets-ready-for-life-without-visa-and-mastercard 583027;1395854658;ozbot;Russia Gets Ready for Life Without Visa and MasterCard - Businessweek 583028;1395854694;ThickAsThieves;http://pando.com/2014/03/26/oculus-rises-to-a-2b-exit-while-its-kickstarter-backers-are-left-with-cheap-swag/ it's interesting to think how regulation has actually created a situation where investors can be totally removed from any interest in the company they effectively funded 583029;1395854694;ozbot;Oculus rises to a $2B exit while its Kickstarter backers are left with cheap swag | PandoDaily 583030;1395854726;ThickAsThieves;oculus gets $2m to create their thing, sells out for $2b 583031;1395854738;ThickAsThieves;investors get a gizmo 583032;1395854740;benkay;i thought that was the whole point of kickstarter. 583033;1395854759;ThickAsThieves;this event puts it into real perspective though 583034;1395854770;Duffer1;i believe that's more an effect of a consumer mindset rather than a common sense mindset that would naturally want equity instead of swag 583035;1395854781;ThickAsThieves;sure, all the investors know what they got into 583036;1395854785;benkay;yeah but fartup equity is usually worth zero anyways 583037;1395854787;ThickAsThieves;and can only expect their gizmo 583038;1395854812;benkay;a toss up as to which is better value: likely worthless paper vs. entertaining gizmo 583039;1395854817;benkay;either way you get the fartup feels 583040;1395854823;ThickAsThieves;but if Oculos were allowed to actually crowdfund for equity investors, the odds are thats what they would have done instead 583041;1395854838;ThickAsThieves;Oculus* 583042;1395854856;VanCleef;with the money that oculoss made with fb they hsould pay back the kickstarter peeps 583043;1395854865;Duffer1;aren't they allowed already through a DPO? 583044;1395854880;ThickAsThieves;VanCleef, while that would be "nice" i see no reason they should 583045;1395854905;VanCleef;but yeh anyway another terrible buy from fb 583046;1395854912;ThickAsThieves;possibly 583047;1395854916;pankkake;them being bought by facebook make them unlikely to deliver the advertised product 583048;1395854939;ThickAsThieves;i agree that Facebook does not seem agile anough to imitate what google does 583049;1395854943;Duffer1;or deliver it on Facebook's terms 583050;1395854952;ThickAsThieves;enough& 583051;1395854972;ThickAsThieves;but it is still the only hope they have to survive 583052;1395854978;ThickAsThieves;to branch out 583053;1395855000;Duffer1;also the sequels to Leviathan Wakes were pretty disappointing imo 583054;1395855024;ThickAsThieves;i dont see how socilmedia-izing the Rift will help 583055;1395855033;ThickAsThieves;i'm typing like a champ today... 583056;1395855071;Duffer1;maybe they want to offer a vr platform for minigame devs? 583057;1395855080;VanCleef;so on kickstarter are you allowed to sell equity into yourprivate company or nah? 583058;1395855093;Duffer1;nope 583059;1395855109;Duffer1;er not that i'm aware of 583060;1395855128;ThickAsThieves;there are new laws on the table in the JOBS act I believe 583061;1395855131;ThickAsThieves;to allow for such 583062;1395855137;ThickAsThieves;but they are tabled or something 583063;1395855138;VanCleef;mmmk 583064;1395855149;VanCleef;that would be cool 583065;1395855169;VanCleef;id probably invest in things on kickstarter 583066;1395855177;VanCleef;if that were da case 583067;1395855192;ThickAsThieves;Candy Crush IPO opens at 10% under offer price 583068;1395855206;Duffer1;hehe 583069;1395855223;VanCleef;yeh that candy crush ipo is a joke 583070;1395855240;VanCleef;dotcom bubble 2.0 583071;1395855243;Diablo-D3;you know whats funny? 583072;1395855249;Diablo-D3;no one in here 583073;1395855254;Diablo-D3;can actually afford to do business with me 583074;1395855261;ThickAsThieves;... 583075;1395855264;ThickAsThieves;you can say that again 583076;1395855267;ThickAsThieves;! 583077;1395855313;VanCleef;i think these are signs that market is topping and everything over valued bubbles etc and could see a decent crash this year 583078;1395855356;ThickAsThieves;hard to say 583079;1395855372;ThickAsThieves;inflation fucks up valuations for stocks 583080;1395855381;VanCleef;we're definitely in a bailout bubble atm 583081;1395855473;Mats_cd03;wouldnt be the first time someone said that 583082;1395855661;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol the saga of bad crypto never ends does it. 583083;1395855673;mircea_popescu;FabianB nope. link ? 583084;1395855780;FabianB;mircea_popescu: http://www.coindesk.com/rumours-panic-ddos-attack-huobis-wild-week/ 583085;1395855825;mircea_popescu;heh 583086;1395855827;VanCleef;http://youtu.be/4ECi6WJpbzE?t=18m39s 583087;1395855827;ozbot;Overdose: The Next Financial Crisis - YouTube 583088;1395855829;FabianB;"Huobi agreed to make its customers whole again at 70 RMB ($11.29) per LTC for anyone who sold below that level." 583089;1395855851;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves somehow this discussion is a strange rehash of the older "platinum records / musical talent" thing. 583090;1395855873;mircea_popescu;a large part of the entire "start-up success" fantasy by now is specifically NOT having any sort of technical merit or actual value 583091;1395855892;mircea_popescu;much like a singer won't win if they're good. they must suck to win, in order to "represent" the idiots watching at home. 583092;1395855936;FabianB;just wondered whether i got something wrong or if they really pay their stupidest users 583093;1395856025;mircea_popescu;FabianB i would suppose they're taking the opposite tack to the now-famous "fuck you and read" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.0 583094;1395856032;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0541 = 0.3787 BTC [-] {3} 583095;1395856035;mircea_popescu;plenty of people trying to make a career out of doing the wrong thing. 583096;1395856057;FabianB;seems like 583097;1395856076;ThickAsThieves;i'm having trouble understanding this huobi thing 583098;1395856097;ThickAsThieves;how did people get negative balances? why are they refunding people in cash? 583099;1395856098;ThickAsThieves;etc 583100;1395856105;mircea_popescu;;;later tell nubbins` maybe tshirts with "A loser is You!" 583101;1395856105;gribble;The operation succeeded. 583102;1395856116;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves because it's broken ? i dunno, just my guess. 583103;1395856156;VanCleef;i blame Mark Karpelass 583104;1395856213;FabianB;ThickAsThieves: looks like you can margin trade on huobi 583105;1395856246;ThickAsThieves;ah 583106;1395856301;ThickAsThieves;most retarded headline of the week: Poll: 48% of Americans understand bitcoin but most still prefer gold - See more at: http://www.pfhub.com/poll-americans-distrust-bitcoin-and-prefer-gold-457/#sthash.yidxzuVA.dpuf 583107;1395856329;ThickAsThieves;48% of americans surely do not own gold 583108;1395856345;ThickAsThieves;surely dont understand bitcoin either 583109;1395856353;mircea_popescu;"please believe us when we say the shit we sell you is worth buying" 583110;1395856358;mircea_popescu;"we have a poll to prove it" 583111;1395856377;ThickAsThieves;lol, in the recommended links on the same page: 583112;1395856384;ThickAsThieves;Poll: 76% of Americans never heard of bitcoin, 79% would never own one 583113;1395856395;benkay;99% will never own one. 583114;1395856403;benkay;"We! Are! The 99%!" 583115;1395856408;ThickAsThieves;the numbers, they have a mind of their own! 583116;1395856443;ThickAsThieves;socially transmitted diseases 583117;1395856461;VanCleef;Putin approval rating is higher in American than Obama 583118;1395856477;ThickAsThieves;obama better hit the gym 583119;1395856487;asciilifeform;VanCleef: afaik this has been the case for years. 583120;1395856507;asciilifeform;VanCleef: same poll as 'bedbugs have higher approval rating than senate,' etc. 583121;1395856520;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00282999 = 0.1981 BTC [+] 583122;1395856530;ThickAsThieves;"Congress to consider banning online gambling" 583123;1395856549;ThickAsThieves;when will they ban Twitter? 583124;1395856576;VanCleef;america should just ban the internet 583125;1395856609;mircea_popescu;lol. 75% of all statistics are made up 583126;1395856716;VanCleef;fact: a woman in Afganistan has more freedoms than a male in America. 583127;1395856770;dhenson;fact: soon, China will be the #1 english speaking country in the world. 583128;1395856812;Mats_cd03;thats dubious, have you ever interacted with chinese speakers that learned ESL? 583129;1395856827;Mats_cd03;their ESL programs are horrible 583130;1395856849;Mats_cd03;english speaking is a reach 583131;1395856867;adolf_fishler;fact: a woman in Afganistan has more freedoms than a male in America. 583132;1395856868;adolf_fishler;i believe that one 583133;1395856877;dhenson;They would only need 1 in 3 to speak english. With all of the american tv programming, I could believe it. 583134;1395856884;adolf_fishler;its ok for your wife to beat u in america 583135;1395856892;adolf_fishler;ur just supposed to let her. its the law. 583136;1395856910;asciilifeform;in antarctica, even more freedom. 583137;1395856911;Mats_cd03;lol 'only' 583138;1395856922;dhenson;A friend of mine's wife was arrested for assault, so not sure that's known by my local police if true. 583139;1395856952;adolf_fishler;what did she assault 583140;1395856957;dhenson;Of course, she did run over him with the car. 583141;1395856962;dhenson;(back tire) 583142;1395856967;adolf_fishler;o 583143;1395856968;adolf_fishler;yeah 583144;1395856970;adolf_fishler;thats attempted murder 583145;1395856989;adolf_fishler;slightly more aggressive than assault 583146;1395857035;dhenson;Nah, she was driving away and bumped the car into him and ran over his foot. just assault 583147;1395857053;adolf_fishler;it wasnt intentional ? 583148;1395857083;dhenson;Bumping into him was, she claimed running over his foot wasn't. Not sure what she thought was going to happen. 583149;1395857249;mircea_popescu;uh 583150;1395857273;mircea_popescu;well, depends what your standards for "speaking english" are. 583151;1395857280;mircea_popescu;most us citizens don't speak english worth a crap. 583152;1395857325;asciilifeform;'english as she is spoke' 583153;1395857344;asciilifeform;;;google english as she is spoke 583154;1395857344;gribble;English As She Is Spoke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_As_She_Is_Spoke>; English as she is spoke by Pedro Carolino and José da Fonseca ...: <http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/30411>; English As She Is Spoke vs. Babelfish!: <http://www.zompist.com/spoke.html> 583155;1395857359;dhenson;At what point is it going to stop being called 'English'? Referring to the divergant language in parts of the US (south especially). 583156;1395857417;dhenson;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik 583157;1395857418;ozbot;Southpark - They Took Our Job - YouTube 583158;1395857419;mircea_popescu;at no point. 583159;1395857486;asciilifeform;well, in afghanistan, a hill tribe 10km from another such may or may not understand the speech. but to us, they both speak pashto 583160;1395857526;asciilifeform;standardized language is a 'luxury of civilization', like your mains socket 583161;1395857531;asciilifeform;it doesn't happen automagically. 583162;1395857538;ThickAsThieves;it's already split, English (American) 583163;1395857554;ThickAsThieves;in most software at leats 583164;1395857595;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: software people writing 'spell checker' mostly understand this to mean just the websterian reform, where they snipped the 'u' from 'colour', etc. 583165;1395857615;mircea_popescu;^ 583166;1395857626;mircea_popescu;and turned s to z in a bunch of continuous forms 583167;1395857629;ThickAsThieves;and change s to z 583168;1395857633;ThickAsThieves;bleh 583169;1395857636;mircea_popescu;yay i got one 583170;1395857642;asciilifeform;'advertize' 583171;1395857652;mircea_popescu;martinizing and advertizing 583172;1395857654;the20year3;which is how it should be 583173;1395857659;mircea_popescu;the contributions of the us to englidsh 583174;1395857665;ThickAsThieves;z sounds more like s than s does! 583175;1395857667;asciilifeform;relevant: http://unspell.blogspot.com 583176;1395857673;asciilifeform;(herr orlov's crackpot crusade) 583177;1395857678;the20year3;utilization of the letter so it doesn't become obsolete 583178;1395857761;ThickAsThieves;it'll always have zebra! 583179;1395857778;ThickAsThieves;may one day it overcomes x too 583180;1395857782;ThickAsThieves;zylophone 583181;1395857787;mircea_popescu;and zylophone 583182;1395857790;ThickAsThieves;bam! 583183;1395857790;mircea_popescu;hahah 583184;1395857820;ThickAsThieves;the hive mind is improving 583185;1395857831;asciilifeform;http://unspell.blogspot.com/2013/12/what-does-one-need-to-know-in-order-to.html 583186;1395857832;ozbot;Project Unspell: What does one need to know in order to read English? 583187;1395857877;asciilifeform;http://unspell.blogspot.com/2013/11/why-doesnt-it-use-latin-alphabet.html 583188;1395857878;ozbot;Project Unspell: Why doesn't it use the Latin alphabet? 583189;1395857888;asciilifeform;etc 583190;1395857926;mircea_popescu;"Nobody likes you, generally speaking, and the presumptuous, misguided sort of nonsense I'm responding to here is a prime example of why. Romania is a large country, populated by a lot of distinct Internet users. Comparatively, wikipedia is a small shithole populated by a lot of indistinguishable idiots. Please stop getting into everyone's day." 583191;1395857934;mircea_popescu;dude who the fuck is trolling wikipedia to this insane degree 583192;1395857939;mircea_popescu;i wish to give him some atc 583193;1395857953;ThickAsThieves;has he actually taught anyone the language and studied if it isn;t worse for being so stripped down? 583194;1395857970;asciilifeform;ThickAsThieves: his son 583195;1395857990;ThickAsThieves;distinctive letters make text easier to scan, no? 583196;1395858000;asciilifeform;correct 583197;1395858014;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves it's more complicated than just that. 583198;1395858018;ThickAsThieves;surely 583199;1395858029;mircea_popescu;good simple rulesets also make text easier to scan 583200;1395858037;mircea_popescu;exceptions tho apparently have their own advantages 583201;1395858057;mircea_popescu;there's no consensus of what makes a better language, other than edge cases such as ergativity 583202;1395858072;mircea_popescu;( ie http://trilema.com/2013/the-linguistic-mark-of-cultural-failure/ ) 583203;1395858073;asciilifeform;there is plenty of data on what makes for a terrible one, though. 583204;1395858078;mircea_popescu;exactly. 583205;1395858399;dhenson;regardless of the validity of the investment, that Rockminer IPO was crazy last night... 13 seconds. 583206;1395858453;*;mircea_popescu remembers the days of bitvps ipo... 583207;1395858472;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07050001 = 0.3525 BTC [-] 583208;1395858594;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0705 = 0.3525 BTC [-] 583209;1395858655;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00283 = 0.1415 BTC [+] 583210;1395858719;BingoBoingo;http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/03/26/4795861/charlotte-mayor-patrick-cannon.html#.UzMYaq1dXGT 583211;1395858719;ozbot;Charlotte Mayor Patrick Cannon arrested on corruption charges | CharlotteObserver.com 583212;1395858723;benkay;what happened, dhenson? 583213;1395858776;dhenson;They opened up 3750 shares for a public IPO at noon china time and they all sold in 13 seconds. 583214;1395858807;dhenson;15k shares pre-sold in blocks of 2000+ before the public IPO so they sold out before most people had a chance to buy in. 583215;1395858826;benkay;this is on which sexchange? 583216;1395858841;dhenson;not an exchange, direct btc deposit to their IPO btc address. 583217;1395858844;dhenson;direct shares 583218;1395858904;mircea_popescu;o hey, like the 2012 mpoe ipo 583219;1395858939;dhenson;I wasn't around for that. In what way, the speed, or the nature of the direct purchase? 583220;1395859086;dhenson;@benkay here is the results of the 13 second IPO http://rockminer.com/IPODATA.htm 583221;1395859132;benkay;dhenson: no trading of shares? 583222;1395859153;benkay;bitcoin-assets: is a lockup like this auto-scam? 583223;1395859154;dhenson;not yet, they are going to build a UI just for trading their shares. 583224;1395859199;dhenson;...ala activemining 583225;1395859208;benkay;footsteps of giants... 583226;1395859328;Mats_cd03;brilliant, really 583227;1395859370;Apocalyptic;<dhenson> not yet, they are going to build a UI just for trading their shares. << classic 583228;1395859415;benkay;mpoe trades on mpex so mp can manip 583229;1395859418;benkay;why not asicminer? 583230;1395859420;benkay;why not rockminer? 583231;1395859446;mircea_popescu;dhenson in the manner. 583232;1395859477;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/sa-ne-jucam-de-a-investitiile-n-bitcoini/#comment-78745 583233;1395859477;ozbot;Sa ne jucam de-a investitiile-n bitcoini. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 583234;1395859479;mircea_popescu;it's there. 583235;1395859493;ThickAsThieves;i personally find the rockminer thing to be rather shady 583236;1395859564;ThickAsThieves;he's essentially taking over what was supposed to be something AM does, which isnt horrible per se, sure AM wants to sell chips only, but why does he need all that money? 583237;1395859573;ThickAsThieves;he's been doing this for a while already right? 583238;1395859597;ThickAsThieves;if he is on the AM board, how is a fair price determined 583239;1395859598;benkay;!t h rent 583240;1395859600;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.00532656 / 0.00562810 (207 shares, 1.10259731 BTC), 7D: 0.00520780 / 0.00542561 / 0.00567280 (2368 shares, 12.84784637 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00555954 / 0.00900001 (49167 shares, 273.34604977 BTC) 583241;1395859606;ThickAsThieves;bewteen companies 583242;1395859638;ThickAsThieves;so you buy RM shares and then slowly get your money back via AM divs? 583243;1395859640;ThickAsThieves;etc 583244;1395859707;ThickAsThieves;i dont see why theyd sell shares other than to push loss onto the shareholders 583245;1395859728;mircea_popescu;oh it's one of those ? 583246;1395859766;ThickAsThieves;is it more than a PMB? is it any less exposed to diff increase than other mining? 583247;1395859770;ThickAsThieves;i dunno 583248;1395859805;dhenson;I agree TaT it seems shady to me as well... especially if AM ends up not mining anymore. 583249;1395859808;ThickAsThieves;will diff calm down this year? 583250;1395859821;ThickAsThieves;like AM has been mining of any note anyway... 583251;1395859840;dhenson;But with new chips... everyone assumed they would. 583252;1395859846;TomServo;.d 583253;1395859847;ozbot;5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1732 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.3513% in 10d 21h 32m 56s 583254;1395859862;ThickAsThieves;they would only mine themselves if it were more profitable than selling 583255;1395859877;dhenson;You'd think mining would be more profitable than $1/GH 583256;1395859886;ThickAsThieves;that situation only exists if diff growth flatlines right? 583257;1395859913;mircea_popescu;maybe 583258;1395859934;ThickAsThieves;i guess exchange rate is important too 583259;1395859965;dhenson;Makes me wonder if FC is one of the private investors with a portion of the 60k private shares. 583260;1395859988;ThickAsThieves;if not, other board members are likely to be 583261;1395859997;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07287978 = 0.1458 BTC [+] 583262;1395860026;ThickAsThieves;https://blog.blockchain.com/2014/03/26/precaution-vanity-addresses/ 583263;1395860027;ozbot;A Precaution on Vanity Addresses | Blockchain Blog 583264;1395860133;ThickAsThieves;http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/26/5550260/wu-tang-clan-will-only-sell-a-single-copy-of-their-new-album how long before it leaks? 583265;1395860133;ozbot;Wu-Tang Clan will only sell a single copy of their new album | The Verge 583266;1395860288;benkay;the girl is over her sickness 583267;1395860294;benkay;the apartment will now get cleaned 583268;1395860299;benkay;*fist pumps* 583269;1395860484;Mats_cd03;it is absolutely a money grab 583270;1395860497;Mats_cd03;the bottom is going to fall out at some point 583271;1395860503;Mats_cd03;you heard it here first 583272;1395860616;dhenson;So basically RM+AM = OLD AM? 583273;1395860632;mircea_popescu;so basically a rehash of the old "pirate pass through" scam 583274;1395860643;mircea_popescu;trying to push the looming hole on newbie "investors" 583275;1395860656;mircea_popescu;where's the overlord-padishah-grandking or w/e his name was 583276;1395860692;Mats_cd03;> padishah_emperor 583277;1395861244;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/762/neobee-orphaned-in-2014/ what's the story here ? 583278;1395861247;ozbot;BitBet - NeoBee Orphaned in 2014 583279;1395861400;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00281999 = 0.2284 BTC [+] 583280;1395861461;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07288121 = 1.1661 BTC [+] {4} 583281;1395861607;adolf_fishler;http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz8kvfE46e1r7rf54.jpg 583282;1395861809;BingoBoingo;http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/003/7/d/terrifying_manul_by_zauberparacelsus-d4l62ks.png 583283;1395861827;BingoBoingo;https://global3.memecdn.com/Smart-manul_o_63783.jpg 583284;1395861985;pankkake;http://www.overcomingbias.com/2014/02/fail-faster.html It is rare for a startup to admit it isn’t going to work out, and give some cash back to investors. […] A great application of prediction markets is to give better and clearer warnings of upcoming failure, to enable better mitigation, such as quitting. 583285;1395862243;mircea_popescu;pankkake definitely. 583286;1395863029;ThickAsThieves;"Male university students in North Korea must get the same haircut as their leader Kim Jong-un, reports say." 583287;1395863102;ThickAsThieves;;;bcstats 583288;1395863105;gribble;Current Blocks: 292609 | Current Difficulty: 5.0068605892054E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 294335 | Next Difficulty In: 1726 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 8 hours, 2 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 5498440775.59 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.81813 583289;1395863429;TomServo;Either I forgot how to read a graph or gribble and ozbots' diff stats don't match sipa. What am I doing wrong? 583290;1395863470;ThickAsThieves;gribble uses strictly data since last change 583291;1395863479;ThickAsThieves;unless you use ;;estimate 583292;1395863487;ThickAsThieves;which will also give data based on last 3 days 583293;1395863521;ThickAsThieves;the differences are all likely in the chosen sample ranges 583294;1395863558;ThickAsThieves;"TSA recommends airports use armed guards during peak hours" 583295;1395863575;ThickAsThieves;so much work, just shoot em if youre fed up 583296;1395863900;mike_c;what, the tsa is going to repel an armed attack on the airport? please. 583297;1395864145;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11620 @ 0.00094474 = 10.9779 BTC [-] 583298;1395864253;mircea_popescu;TomServo nothing matches. 583299;1395864290;mircea_popescu;mike_c no, but they may accidentally shoot some grannies... 583300;1395864307;mircea_popescu;i think the us is optimised for involuntary humour these days. 583301;1395864363;mircea_popescu;"We accept most international and local credit and debit cards as well as PayPal. Flattr use Euro as its base currency, but it doesnt matter what currency you use, we take care of the exchange." 583302;1395864374;mircea_popescu;o look at that. there's some sort of fiat competition to bitcoin etc. 583303;1395864755;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.072877 = 0.1458 BTC [-] 583304;1395865053;bitcoinpete;http://www.circle.com/press-releases/circle-internet-financial-closes-17-million-series-b-financing/ 583305;1395865100;bitcoinpete;"Circle is one of the first companies built from the ground up to provide financial products for consumers that harness the power of Bitcoin to enable faster transactions, lower costs, greater privacy safeguards and increased protection against fraud and identity theft while enabling more frictionless global economic activity and cross-border transactions. The company’s forthcoming products, which entered limited availability release today, 583306;1395865101;bitcoinpete;promise to allow consumers and businesses to use digital currency easily, reducing much of the friction and risk that is currently associated with Bitcoin." 583307;1395865132;bitcoinpete;More VC noise 583308;1395865249;benkay;"to allow consumers and businesses to use digital currency safe in the knowledge that their governments will be able to know everything about our customers without resorting to thermorectal cryptanalysis." 583309;1395865310;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete by now i can't separate the "from the ground up" automatism from the earlier linked retards. 583310;1395865418;bitcoinpete;experience in complying with high-level bureaucrats must count for something 583311;1395865532;mircea_popescu;hm. 583312;1395865545;mircea_popescu;if that were true most wikipedia editors would not be unemployed. 583313;1395865609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.046 = 0.23 BTC [+] 583314;1395865670;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0559 = 0.2795 BTC [+] 583315;1395865671;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00281 = 0.267 BTC [-] 583316;1395865712;bitcoinpete;i thought they wiki authors were retired or semi-retired, like many here 583317;1395865739;bitcoinpete;*the 583318;1395865783;mike_c;who in here is retired? 583319;1395865790;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: 583320;1395865794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.046 = 0.276 BTC [+] {2} 583321;1395865834;mircea_popescu;i used to be retired 583322;1395865836;mircea_popescu;but i retired from it. 583323;1395865840;bitcoinpete;mike_c: surely there are those who don't have to work anymore, but choose to. i call that retired 583324;1395865868;bitcoinpete;i tried it as well. lasted about 2 weeks 583325;1395865870;asciilifeform;i think we have multiple 'weight classes' represented here. 583326;1395865892;bitcoinpete;boredom took hold 583327;1395865946;mike_c;i don't call running a 1m btc business retired, regardless of motivations. 583328;1395865950;bitcoinpete;asciilifeform: well there are at least 4 layers 583329;1395865971;asciilifeform;perhaps 5 if you count the vagrants 583330;1395866012;BingoBoingo;Prolly six if you count the people who aspire to be the vagrants 583331;1395866023;asciilifeform;who aspires to be vagrant? 583332;1395866023;mircea_popescu;mike_c i spent ~5 years or so in a tropical paradise doing... nothing. 583333;1395866031;TestingUnoDosTre;Nice... I'm getting bumped up to a vagrant? 583334;1395866057;thestringpuller;so mircea_popescu you are retired from being retired? so technically that would still make you retired? 583335;1395866063;mircea_popescu;would it ? 583336;1395866067;TestingUnoDosTre;no 583337;1395866070;mircea_popescu;i dunno how these nominalist things work. 583338;1395866070;asciilifeform;'retired' isn't a weight class. 583339;1395866078;thestringpuller;you are a retired retiree 583340;1395866085;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu: 5?! that's dedication 583341;1395866123;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I imagine there must be still more destitute than the vagrants 583342;1395866158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 583343;1395866174;mircea_popescu;prolly an overstatement, more like 3 583344;1395866210;bitcoinpete;still lots of time for literature 583345;1395866214;asciilifeform;ok let's try this. bottom: penniless urchin hounded by creditors. next: penniless urchin, or child, with zero net worth. 583346;1395866217;the20year3;Got the little cottage rented out, joy 583347;1395866257;asciilifeform;next: wretch who works a full shift with no internet connection... 583348;1395866260;mircea_popescu;urchin has creditors ? how ? 583349;1395866266;asciilifeform;next: lowly engineer (yours truly) 583350;1395866300;asciilifeform;next: elderly engineer or businessman with serious income, but mortgaged up the gills 583351;1395866321;bitcoinpete;http://www.entrepreneur.co.za/advice-from-the-youngest-self-made-female-billionaire-in-history/ 583352;1395866325;ozbot;Advice From The Youngest Self-Made Female Billionaire in History | Entrepreneur.co.za 583353;1395866335;mircea_popescu;uh 583354;1395866339;asciilifeform;next: man of leisure, but bound to the land 583355;1395866346;asciilifeform;next: international man of leisure (mr p) 583356;1395866351;bitcoinpete;Highlights: 5) Hire people you like and trust >> Sounds like WoT to me. 7) You CAN figure it out – you have the ability.>> Right... 583357;1395866378;mircea_popescu;spax is not worth 1bn, and she doesn't own it all. wtf. 583358;1395866384;bitcoinpete;hirarious 583359;1395866441;mircea_popescu;dude chick's 40 and still running the gauntlet 583360;1395866442;mircea_popescu;http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8a/Sara_Blakely_at_2013_Time_100_Gala.jpg 583361;1395866443;mircea_popescu;sucks. 583362;1395866474;asciilifeform;'penniless urchin hounded by creditors' may be an anglo-world only phenomenon 583363;1395866483;asciilifeform;cross off where not applicable. 583364;1395866501;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean like, a dual php/grad student with no assets ? 583365;1395866510;asciilifeform;(perhaps it should be considered a sub-variety of medieval serf) 583366;1395866515;TestingUnoDosTre;wait wait wait. How is a lowly engineer below an elderly engineer or businessman that's mortgaged up to the gills 583367;1395866520;mircea_popescu;^ 583368;1395866526;mircea_popescu;i agree, those two also seem reversed. 583369;1395866538;asciilifeform;the elderly engineer could take his next few salary cheques and run 583370;1395866540;asciilifeform;theoretically. 583371;1395866545;mircea_popescu;the kid could run as is 583372;1395866548;mircea_popescu;much less theoretical. 583373;1395866571;asciilifeform;if the kid could 'breathe vacuum', he would probably have run already. 583374;1395866577;mircea_popescu;kids CAN breathe vacuum 583375;1395866584;mircea_popescu;that they think they can't is what keeps society in order 583376;1395866587;rithm;i'm so confused right now 583377;1395866615;mircea_popescu;rithm most notable side effect of this chan 583378;1395866620;asciilifeform;'iso-standard' penniless kid typically relies on various social connections (blood relatives, chums) for survival 583379;1395866622;rithm;true dat 583380;1395866627;mircea_popescu;also known as http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=90 583381;1395866650;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform easier to do in better countries 583382;1395866658;mircea_popescu;(which in this context means, non-anglo-saxon) 583383;1395866669;rithm;WHAT IN THE FUCK CAPS LOCK OH shit kids can't breathe in a vaccuum they turn dead 583384;1395866692;mircea_popescu;metaphorical kids, metaphorical vacuum, metaphorical breathing. 583385;1395866704;asciilifeform;rithm: understand 'breathe vacuum' as 'steal enough for a plane ticket and move to afghanistan' 583386;1395866707;rithm;if you had a jar and closed and sucked all of the air out 583387;1395866714;rithm;and you would call that a vacuum 583388;1395866723;rithm;but I would say nothing separates the jar 583389;1395866726;mircea_popescu;rithm if you took the average 16yo and paradroped them naked anywhere in the world, 583390;1395866729;mircea_popescu;they would live to be 18. 583391;1395866747;mircea_popescu;if you took the average 60 yo and paradropped them naked anywhere in the world, they would not live to be 65. 583392;1395866751;rithm;you give them 2 years 583393;1395866757;rithm;after being naked and alone 583394;1395866759;rithm;that's too many 583395;1395866760;asciilifeform;phun phact. every lab that uses mice has glue traps. 583396;1395866766;mircea_popescu;naked teenagers aren';t alone for long. 583397;1395866770;TestingUnoDosTre;I thought the quote was because people tend to speak here before thinking... 583398;1395866771;asciilifeform;and ~100% of dropped mice end in them 583399;1395866789;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre it's more of a +iq effect. just being here makes one smarter. 583400;1395866808;rithm;if the teenagers find drugs or soul crushing rules to live by they might make it 583401;1395866816;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: picture moving an average (male) u.s. suburban kid to... anywhere 583402;1395866821;rithm;the old people similarly will need drugs to survive 583403;1395866826;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he'll be fine. 583404;1395866833;mircea_popescu;just cry like a little bitch for a coupla weeks. 583405;1395866842;mircea_popescu;byt the time he's 50 however... he can no longer be fine. no matter what. 583406;1395866868;mircea_popescu;in this sense, i would say heroin addiction is a fine analogue. 583407;1395866878;asciilifeform;orlov had a neat piece on soviet 50yo middle manager suicides 583408;1395866884;mircea_popescu;the six months old chipper != the ten year old user. 583409;1395867395;TestingUnoDosTre;I tried looking for this orlov piece and all I could find is an entire Russian family that runs back 300 years, and some hockey player 583410;1395867417;asciilifeform;TestingUnoDosTre: cluborlov.blogspot.com 583411;1395867436;asciilifeform;TestingUnoDosTre: 'post-soviet lessons for post-american century' 583412;1395867500;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.05488041 = 0.5488 BTC [-] {4} 583413;1395867612;TestingUnoDosTre;Is this a better written form of that slide presentation someone posted yesterday? 583414;1395867617;asciilifeform;yes 583415;1395867622;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00094474 = 0.8975 BTC [-] 583416;1395867630;asciilifeform;http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060105_soviet_lessons.shtml 583417;1395867631;ozbot;Post-Soviet Lessons for a Post-American Century 583418;1395867838;TestingUnoDosTre;found it, thanks 583419;1395867922;TestingUnoDosTre;Speaking of oil, anyone know who places that bet about january 15 oil futures? 583420;1395867959;mircea_popescu;iirc bitbet had sometrhing re wti 583421;1395868033;TestingUnoDosTre;that's what my question was: do you know who placed it? 583422;1395868225;mircea_popescu;nope. 583423;1395868284;benkay;kinda one of the features of bitbet, TestingUnoDosTre 583424;1395868285;benkay;the po 583425;1395868288;benkay;http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/09/13/a-business-idea/ 583426;1395868289;ozbot;A Business Idea | Chateau Heartiste 583427;1395868354;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1122 @ 0.00013603 = 0.1526 BTC [-] {4} 583428;1395868355;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00094474 = 3.779 BTC [-] 583429;1395868355;mircea_popescu;that domain is familiar 583430;1395868390;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: famous in the 'moldbug' set 583431;1395868412;mircea_popescu;nah i only heard of modlbug... hm. through you i tihnk 583432;1395868415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2278 @ 0.00013001 = 0.2962 BTC [-] {5} 583433;1395868416;mircea_popescu;to my head he's very recent 583434;1395868440;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: linked to me once, a few years ago, describing as 'the moldbug of computing.' not sure if complement or curse. 583435;1395868467;mircea_popescu;hm 583436;1395868468;asciilifeform;he's one of the folks who write guides for axenic mice on how to emulate having an immune system. 583437;1395868481;asciilifeform;;;google manosphere 583438;1395868482;gribble;Viva La Manosphere! - Now updated hourly: <http://vivalamanosphere.com/>; Manosphere - Return Of Kings: <http://www.returnofkings.com/category/manosphere>; Manosphere | Know Your Meme: <http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/subcultures/manosphere> 583439;1395868494;mircea_popescu;oh, is this some dood from the pua scene ? 583440;1395868507;asciilifeform;right 583441;1395868542;asciilifeform;moldbug isn't exactly recent (circa '07, afaik) 583442;1395868574;asciilifeform;when he mostly quit writing, his stuff was picked up and 'digested' by various people 583443;1395868578;asciilifeform;and 'popularized' 583444;1395868606;mircea_popescu;must be someone i mocked at some point but i don't recall specifics 583445;1395868611;mircea_popescu;(the heartiste thing i mean) 583446;1395868649;asciilifeform;it's mockable, but you gotta understand where it came from 583447;1395868654;asciilifeform;;;google scanners live in vain 583448;1395868655;gribble;Scanners Live in Vain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanners_Live_in_Vain>; Scanners Live In Vain : Cordwainer Smith : Free Download ...: <https://archive.org/details/ScannersLiveInVain>; Literature/Scanners Live in Vain - Television Tropes & Idioms: <http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/ScannersLiveInVain> 583449;1395868727;asciilifeform;it's interesting how, after many years of talmudic sophistry, the 'pua' folks arrived at their current technological state of the art: buying a plane ticket out of the u.s. 583450;1395868777;mircea_popescu;generally mockery is distinct from execution. 583451;1395868784;mircea_popescu;i don't mock with an intent to murder. 583452;1395868830;dignork;asciilifeform, btw thank you for refernce to moldbug, his texts are pretty amusing 583453;1395869491;BingoBoingo;;;google trilema heartiste 583454;1395869492;gribble;Ideological Space - Outside in: <http://www.xenosystems.net/ideological-space/>; Is Game Making Women Overconfident? - Roosh V: <http://www.rooshv.com/is-game-making-women-overconfident>; 'Outreach' Open Thread | Handle's Haus: <http://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2013/10/21/outreach-open-thread/> 583455;1395869533;BingoBoingo;I'll dig up the Trilema article 583456;1395869642;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you sure you read it there ? 583457;1395869657;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I know you mocked it and linked it. 583458;1395869662;BingoBoingo;I think it was fall 2013? 583459;1395869686;mircea_popescu;aha! 583460;1395869690;mircea_popescu;so i'm not entirely deluded here. 583461;1395869795;BingoBoingo;Maybe a simple minded psychopath, but damned if you are deluded 583462;1395869810;mircea_popescu;lol 583463;1395869844;moiety;hihi 583464;1395869861;moiety;MOTD (manul of the day) http://wall4all.me/walls/animals/cats-manul-wildcat-1009019-1600x1067.jpg 583465;1395869878;moiety;that needs photoshopped into something immense 583466;1395870034;TestingUnoDosTre;what is pua? 583467;1395870062;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07001259 = 0.6301 BTC [-] {2} 583468;1395870245;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.04761666 = 0.5714 BTC [+] {4} 583469;1395870268;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/apparently-im-not-the-only-one-pointing-out-the-obvious/ 583470;1395870309;mircea_popescu;o hey good catch 583471;1395870319;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre pick up artistry 583472;1395870393;TestingUnoDosTre;hmph. That's what I got from das google, but thought it somehow didn't fit 583473;1395870428;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00451599 = 0.1355 BTC [-] {4} 583474;1395870489;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5530 @ 0.00094474 = 5.2244 BTC [-] 583475;1395872197;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 153 @ 0.00280924 = 0.4298 BTC [+] {2} 583476;1395872380;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 27 @ 0.01637999 = 0.4423 BTC [+] 583477;1395872605;kakobrekla;;;seen davout 583478;1395872605;gribble;davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 hours, 57 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <davout> bah 583479;1395872619;kakobrekla;;;later tell davout ping 583480;1395872619;gribble;The operation succeeded. 583481;1395872990;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07288995 = 0.2187 BTC [+] 583482;1395873600;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.002839 = 0.2527 BTC [+] 583483;1395873869;BingoBoingo;The real prize in Crimea http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140326/188762672/Crimean-Military-Dolphins-to-Serve-in-Russian-Navy.html 583484;1395874033;mike_c;have no fear americans, we're on it. "The facility is one of only two such combat dolphin training centers in the world, the other is run by the US Navy in San Diego." 583485;1395874042;joecool;BingoBoingo: oh same ones with the knives and pistols attached to their heads? 583486;1395874066;BingoBoingo;joecool: Does it matter? 583487;1395874091;joecool;BingoBoingo: well the US lost a bunch with toxic dart guns attached some years back 583488;1395874105;BingoBoingo;Well, things happen 583489;1395874243;mircea_popescu;lol 583490;1395874249;mircea_popescu;poor dolphins 583491;1395874273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 583492;1395874333;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [-] 583493;1395874334;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] 583494;1395875939;qwebirc1010269;asciilifeform that was a good read, but I'm unsure of how quickly this whole US default will occur 583495;1395876021;TestingUnoDosTre;lost my username for a moment there http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060105_soviet_lessons.shtml 583496;1395876025;moiety;combat dolphins?! sort of useless when they get distracted and go off on year long gang rapes 583497;1395876242;mircea_popescu;moiety i thought it was the goats with the gang rapes 583498;1395876264;tg2;dat context 583499;1395876268;TestingUnoDosTre;yah a year long gang rape? Dolphins copulate in like microseconds 583500;1395876318;mircea_popescu;afaik dolphins copulate like most other mammals 583501;1395876322;moiety;no, they group together and imprison a lone female for months at a time, taking it in turns 583502;1395876327;mircea_popescu;(which is to say, the male merely inserts the penis, and the female milks it) 583503;1395876332;mircea_popescu;makes rape a tenuous proposition. 583504;1395876340;moiety;its not the length of time they take, its the length of time they keep doing it 583505;1395876406;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-] 583506;1395876468;tg2;dolphins are the only species to copulate more frequently than your mom. 583507;1395876476;mircea_popescu;http://www.myzimbabwe.co.zw/news/542-kwekwe-man-finds-goats-having-sex-beats-up-male-one-rapes-female-one.html 583508;1395876497;mircea_popescu;23yo widower. 583509;1395876499;nubbins`;wreckhouse area of newfoundland set a wind speed record earlier this evening, 183km/h 583510;1395876501;tg2;stop you're making fox jealous 583511;1395876565;moiety;its an authority and territorial thing http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/9172937/Dolphins-resort-to-rape.html 583512;1395876570;mircea_popescu;http://www.myzimbabwe.co.zw/news/210-jealous-silobela-man-finds-donkeys-having-sex-kills-the-male-one.html 583513;1395876581;mircea_popescu;(mostly for pic of aroused donkey and hilarious copy) 583514;1395876615;moiety;err who to the goat rape pic?! 583515;1395876616;tg2;those are some solid english writing skills 583516;1395876617;moiety;took* 583517;1395876658;moiety;ffs poor donkey 583518;1395876684;Duffer1;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21foj9/funds_currently_being_stolen_from_vanity/ 583519;1395876692;joecool;mircea_popescu: you ever consider a tabloid-style sister site of trilema? "Writing dumb shit for the masses" 583520;1395876697;nubbins`;Duffer1 imagine 583521;1395876702;Duffer1;hehe 583522;1395876721;joecool;mircea_popescu: stupid people often don't have money though, have to fund it with very invasive ads 583523;1395876724;mircea_popescu;joecool nah, too much work. 583524;1395876767;moiety;there's plenty sites that even just collect the shit from other sites of crap anyways 583525;1395876768;joecool;mircea_popescu: get other people write it? 583526;1395876775;joecool;*to write 583527;1395876786;mircea_popescu;well... you do it then ? 583528;1395876792;tg2;lol using 3rd parties to generate your private key 583529;1395876793;tg2;solid 583530;1395876797;nubbins`;^ 583531;1395876811;tg2;instant-e.com still scaming away 583532;1395876821;moiety;i'mmaking a completely useless site for my own benefit re my new obsession (blame asciilifeform) 583533;1395876823;tg2;makes me want to spam online wallet sites and just steal everybodies coins 583534;1395876824;tg2;like them 583535;1395876826;joecool;mircea_popescu: too much work, I already have other writers on those sort of projects 583536;1395876845;mircea_popescu;lol 583537;1395876846;tg2;#1 google result for "litecoin online wallet", extended validation SSL cert 583538;1395876854;tg2;straight up just stealing them lol 583539;1395876863;tg2;5 months of "I GOT SCAMMED BY INSTANT-E.COM" threads everywhere 583540;1395876864;mircea_popescu;moiety what is your new, stan-induced obsession ? 583541;1395876873;moiety;manuls! 583542;1395876877;mircea_popescu;tg2 bfl is stillaround... 583543;1395876878;nubbins`;heh 583544;1395876885;tg2;can't say i'm mad 583545;1395876889;tg2;if anything I'm probably jealous 583546;1395876890;mike_c;joecool: isn't that bitcointalk? 583547;1395876897;moiety;all i need to make my life complete is a manul + laser pic 583548;1395876913;tg2;i tracked somebody who said they got scammed, followed the coins, went into a wallet with 17,000 LTC 583549;1395876917;tg2;for 1 month of transactions 583550;1395876924;joecool;mike_c: i have some shit standards 583551;1395876925;tg2;all source transactions were from nov 583552;1395876927;mircea_popescu;lambo on its way 583553;1395876933;tg2;dude is in china 583554;1395876935;tg2;i hunted him down 583555;1395876948;tg2;clown had his old software site hosted on the same ip before 583556;1395876968;tg2;threatened to reveal him if he didn't pay me 50ltc bounty 583557;1395876969;tg2;he did 583558;1395877035;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135035.360 583559;1395877048;mircea_popescu;some moar cog drama. kakobrekla ^ 583560;1395877075;mircea_popescu;as far as i recall, about a week before disappearing, nefario froze goat' 583561;1395877082;mircea_popescu;s "assets" in a rather similar fashion 583562;1395877097;mircea_popescu;(goat was at the time running the more obviously fraudulent, highest volume shit glbse was listing) 583563;1395877130;tg2;" Why is the site off line SO OFTEN Huh " 583564;1395877132;tg2;dat webscale 583565;1395877138;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.05428002 = 0.5428 BTC [-] {3} 583566;1395877202;tg2;cloudflare pls 583567;1395877203;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=286634.msg5917682#msg5917682 583568;1395877205;ozbot;[BTC-TC] CIPHERMINE.B1 - a virtual corporate bond with a 22% fixed-fiat APR 583569;1395877243;mircea_popescu;check that shit out. i remember the days the counter was... you know... xmas. http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuple/ 583570;1395877307;BingoBoingo;moiety: 583571;1395877308;BingoBoingo;http://www.memecenter.com/fun/1513719/manul-the-cat-on-holiday 583572;1395877309;ozbot;Manul The Cat On Holiday by badratio - Meme Center 583573;1395877350;nubbins`;good ol' havelock 583574;1395877364;nubbins`;home of the legitimate fund 583575;1395877399;moiety;BingoBoingo: bahahaha that's epic. i love how they all have that "fuck off" face 583576;1395877643;B007;tg2: 50 ltc lol 583577;1395877662;tg2;2 emails and 20 minutes of sleuthing 583578;1395877683;tg2;$2700/hr 583579;1395877696;tg2;if I really wanted to get paid 583580;1395877713;tg2;I'd have his hosting pulled 583581;1395877731;tg2;hosting at softlayer like a true cheapskate 583582;1395877732;B007;what do you do irl 583583;1395877735;tg2;sleuth 583584;1395877746;tg2;I am an angel vc 583585;1395877749;tg2;you? 583586;1395877753;B007;student 583587;1395877758;B007;nothing 583588;1395877758;tg2;cool, keep at it 583589;1395877762;B007;depends 583590;1395877766;tg2;build something cool 583591;1395877796;tg2;post it in here, have it shot down, collect yourself, settle into a career of tech support 583592;1395877804;tg2;thats the best advice I can give 583593;1395877809;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2998 @ 0.00280679 = 8.4148 BTC [-] {3} 583594;1395877817;B007;tech support? im in cs 583595;1395877823;tg2;spot on 583596;1395877861;tg2;darkcoin 3x coming in the next 2 weeks 583597;1395877862;tg2;calling it now 583598;1395877948;nubbins`;[21:20:18] <B007> tech support? im in cs <<< that's why he said it ;D 583599;1395877974;kakobrekla;you slanderous soul you mp. 583600;1395877981;mircea_popescu;tg2 angel vc where ? 583601;1395877984;kakobrekla;its but a scratch. 583602;1395877986;tg2;everywhere 583603;1395877989;tg2;im in montreal 583604;1395877994;tg2;but I like to spread my seed around 583605;1395877997;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla "it's but a flesh wound" 583606;1395878002;B007;http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=darkcoin 583607;1395878003;ozbot;Google Trends 583608;1395878004;B007;wut 583609;1395878013;kakobrekla;yea yea 583610;1395878016;tg2;yeah, darkcoin is not a bad idea right now 583611;1395878029;tg2;what do you do mircea_popescu 583612;1395878029;mircea_popescu;fun factoid : my rift guild cosnsiting of ~1000 teenagers also somehow magically contains half a dozen of "special agents" in "bruxels" 583613;1395878040;mircea_popescu;at least if you believe what they say in chat. 583614;1395878055;mircea_popescu;tg2 i run game guilds. 583615;1395878062;B007;lel 583616;1395878072;tg2;better than being a student with nothing to their name 583617;1395878075;tg2;aye 583618;1395878085;moiety;mew benkay 583619;1395878087;mircea_popescu;i have endless piles of platinum, gold and other game currencies 583620;1395878098;tg2;quite the game 583621;1395878107;tg2;I hope you're winning at it 583622;1395878117;B007;he also has endless piles of irl money 583623;1395878123;B007;in case you didnt know 583624;1395878124;mircea_popescu;im in it for the social justice aspect. 583625;1395878126;tg2;not so different from game money 583626;1395878126;benkay;allo mon manul 583627;1395878129;benkay;mah? 583628;1395878133;*;moiety wonders why there is no manul game; goes to find game dev 583629;1395878136;benkay;hey mircea_popescu what's the correct posessive there 583630;1395878142;mircea_popescu;mein 583631;1395878162;mircea_popescu;mein mehnuler 583632;1395878182;mircea_popescu;(allo maman nulle ?) 583633;1395878230;tg2;mon = french 583634;1395878235;tg2;mah = black 583635;1395878252;mircea_popescu;;;google mon mec a moi, il me port'en voiture 583636;1395878253;gribble;Les blagues - Restena: <http://w3.restena.lu/primaire/mondorf/altwies/5e97_98/5e_travaux/blagues.html>; Le couteau et la loi - LaToileScoute: <http://www.latoilescoute.net/le-couteau-et-la-loi>; Miroir dis moi qui sont les vrais, Dis-moi dis-moi.. – Dolce Vita: <http://rapgenius.com/1321974/Lacrim-dolce-vita/Miroir-dis-moi-qui-sont-les-vrais-dis-moi-dis-moi-qui-sont-les- (1 more message) 583637;1395878267;mircea_popescu;hm 583638;1395878285;benkay;manul a moi 583639;1395878286;tg2;my boi, brings me in a car? 583640;1395878297;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62703977 = 3.1352 BTC [+] {3} 583641;1395878328;mircea_popescu;i guess nobody is from the 70s. 583642;1395878346;nubbins`;close, '82 583643;1395878352;benkay;old men. 583644;1395878354;tg2;not at that advanced state of age 583645;1395878357;cazalla;B007: google trends is misleading, add litecoin so you can see the trend relative to another keyword 583646;1395878358;benkay;old, well-capitalized men. 583647;1395878363;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpWcSEaEyR8 583648;1395878364;ozbot;Patricia Kaas - Mon Mec A Moi - YouTube 583649;1395878372;tg2;darkcoin actually adds some value 583650;1395878378;tg2;not liek every other shitcoin I've seen in the last 3 months 583651;1395878379;moiety;and women>> '84 583652;1395878405;tg2;I think the crypto industry needs to have some kind of consortium that rejects new coins 583653;1395878414;tg2;75% premine airdrop garbage wallfecoins 583654;1395878421;mircea_popescu;and new consortiums 583655;1395878430;tg2;meta rejection 583656;1395878441;tg2;who consorts the consortiums 583657;1395878449;tg2;srsly tho, next time I see a 50% premine shitcoin 583658;1395878451;tg2;i'm going to lose it 583659;1395878458;tg2;and I know it wont be that long, thats the sad part 583660;1395878477;benkay;didn't know you were well capitalized, moiety! 583661;1395878490;*;moiety typed before that bit :P 583662;1395878543;mircea_popescu;she's not well capitulised, merely slow typewrited. 583663;1395878547;tg2;if you post in the announcements(altcoins) forum of bitcointalk it should just autoban your IP 583664;1395878555;moiety;never say never! on both counts lol 583665;1395878572;benkay;practice makes perfect. 583666;1395878578;tg2;or use some kind of fingerprinting technique like Kount does so you can't even use proxies 583667;1395878640;B007;you can spoof those 583668;1395878643;B007;easily 583669;1395878645;cazalla;tg2: not really about value, it's just that trends is misleading 583670;1395878676;tg2;sorry, to what are you referring cazalla 583671;1395878707;cazalla;tg2: "darkcoin actually adds some value" sorry, i thought you were responding to what I said to B007 583672;1395878720;tg2;no. 583673;1395878747;tg2;but darkcoin is a coin that does 2 things 583674;1395878756;moiety;i have a never ending supply of enthusiasm, undecided if this helps/hinders me 583675;1395878758;tg2;1: the mining algorithm is power friendly on GPUs 583676;1395878763;tg2;2: darksend is an actual feature 583677;1395878768;blackwhite;evening gents 583678;1395878768;tg2;its not just a copy of another coin 583679;1395878796;tg2;not having to trust your coins to a mixer in order to obfusticate transactions is a big deal 583680;1395878801;tg2;eventually people will catch on 583681;1395878806;tg2;and it will be popular 583682;1395878820;tg2;coupled with the fact that mining it uses 1/2 the power and produces 1/2 the heat on graphics cards, and that there are no asics for it 583683;1395878832;tg2;means it should see some significant upswings when the summer heat settles in in north america 583684;1395878844;tg2;and scrypt asics become more prolific 583685;1395878849;tg2;just my 2c 583686;1395878850;cazalla;seems like more kids with milkcrates and 7950's tbh 583687;1395878852;tg2;i have $50k in them 583688;1395878865;tg2;I have 400 gpus mining 583689;1395878868;B007;that is why you must promote it 583690;1395878869;tg2;none in milk crates 583691;1395878870;B007;lolz 583692;1395878914;tg2;they are up from 70c to 89c just in the last 48 hours 583693;1395878921;tg2;a nice uptrend as people realize the merit of the coin 583694;1395878924;B007;remember to post a to the moon thread on 4chan 583695;1395878927;*;nubbins` yawns 583696;1395878931;nubbins`;i'd better buy them all now 583697;1395878941;tg2;good luck 583698;1395878960;moiety;B007: the moon is taken, they need to find another planet 583699;1395878968;nubbins`;i'm going to put in $75k, keep an eye out for the bump 583700;1395878971;asciilifeform;fuck damn it, i of all people am responsible for infecting people with lolcats. 583701;1395878972;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, "Half the power" 583702;1395878974;tg2;better yet get started on an i2p version of silk road that runs off of darkcoins 583703;1395878977;mircea_popescu;half as compared to what. 583704;1395878987;tg2;compared to mining scrypt or nscrypt 583705;1395878989;benkay;derp coins? 583706;1395879000;tg2;you mine darkcoin on your gpu, it uses literally 1/2 the power 583707;1395879003;benkay;tg2 it's a meaningless number. you can make the block reward whatever you want. 583708;1395879009;nubbins`;heh 583709;1395879011;benkay;the "number" of "coins" is arbitrary. 583710;1395879023;moiety;asciilifeform: entirely, i need them daily now 583711;1395879029;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.0009316 = 8.4776 BTC [-] 583712;1395879029;tg2;benkay - nowhere was amount of coins mentionned 583713;1395879032;tg2;only price per coin 583714;1395879036;tg2;which is all I'm concerned with for now 583715;1395879041;nubbins`;so if it uses half the power 583716;1395879041;asciilifeform;;;lolcat 583717;1395879042;gribble;Error: "lolcat" is not a valid command. 583718;1395879043;benkay;that fluctuates with market action. 583719;1395879052;nubbins`;actually, i don't even 583720;1395879059;tg2;apparently not 583721;1395879065;moiety;;; manul 583722;1395879065;gribble;Error: "manul" is not a valid command. 583723;1395879072;moiety;gribble, it needs to be 583724;1395879074;benkay;;;gettrust tg2 583725;1395879075;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user tg2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=tg2 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=tg2 | Rated since: never 583726;1395879083;benkay;o ok 583727;1395879083;tg2;can't has trust 583728;1395879105;*;benkay goes back to derpy value deliving 583729;1395879108;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Maybe ship Manuls with Cardanos as a physical security enchancement? 583730;1395879120;nubbins`;Manuldanos 583731;1395879127;moiety;^ so much yes, i will look after them til shipping 583732;1395879153;asciilifeform;moiety: phun phact. wash. d.c. zoo has a scale, demarcated in... cats. tells the visitor what species he would make the best meal for. 583733;1395879158;tg2;https://twitter.com/Manuls 583734;1395879159;ozbot;Manuls (Manuls) on Twitter 583735;1395879159;tg2;lol 583736;1395879179;tg2;what a fortunate twitter handle 583737;1395879200;tg2;I wonder if he knows of it's provenance 583738;1395879229;cazalla;tg2: is darkcoin better than bitcoin? 583739;1395879246;tg2;answering that would be stupid 583740;1395879257;tg2;but maybe you can clarify in which categeory you wish to compare 583741;1395879298;tg2;there are several hundred criteria that you could arbitrarily rate a cryptocurrency on 583742;1395879305;tg2;it is better at some 583743;1395879320;moiety;asciilifeform: lol i must look that up. i did find the only way someone would be smiling while holding one http://www.avianexoticpetclinic.com/images/clinic2/PallasCat2.jpg 583744;1395879327;cazalla;well, i know nothing about it so please share which of those it is 583745;1395879336;tg2;let me curate a list for you 583746;1395879341;moiety;well that was the most disappointing twitter link i have ever clicked, thanks 583747;1395879348;tg2;right after I'm done answering questions on yahoo answers 583748;1395879370;tg2;is it still cool to link to lmgtfy? 583749;1395879374;cazalla;do you sell level 2 accounts or something.. perhaps for darkcoin? 583750;1395879444;tg2;anwyay, read up, if you choose to invest in it, or mine it, I think it has merit as a coin, in stark comparison to every other piece of garbage that was forked in the last 3 months 583751;1395879457;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 583752;1395879490;cazalla;i'll stick to bitcoin but thanks anyway 583753;1395879523;tg2;may your ignorance lead you to profit 583754;1395879544;nubbins`;heh. 583755;1395879573;mircea_popescu;well, is darkcoin better than altcoin ? 583756;1395879578;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00093878 = 5.0694 BTC [+] 583757;1395879579;BingoBoingo;Eh, I've never had any offers for singularity coin. 583758;1395879580;tg2;it is an altcoin 583759;1395879591;mircea_popescu;yes, but i mean the altcoin 583760;1395879595;BingoBoingo;https://x-bt.com/markets/atcbtc 583761;1395879596;ozbot;X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin 583762;1395879606;nubbins`;this conversation would be more difficult in a language without articles 583763;1395879612;tg2;it is the altcoin, maybe I'm not getting what you're trying to imply 583764;1395879614;mircea_popescu;nubbins` or without words :D 583765;1395879627;BingoBoingo;tg2: He means Altcoin, the meta altcoin 583766;1395879628;nubbins`;XD 583767;1395879642;tg2;that is meta 583768;1395879652;nubbins`;i've got about $0k in atc 583769;1395879661;mircea_popescu;still above 100 ?! 583770;1395879675;mircea_popescu;bam, atc beats all forum investments lol. 583771;1395879676;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Indeed but too close to 100 to do much 583772;1395879679;nubbins`;guess i should've added some decimals 583773;1395879693;mircea_popescu;it's been stable for what, 3 months now ? 583774;1395879694;nubbins`;roughly $0.00k 583775;1395879713;mircea_popescu;nubbins` so get some derpcoin then, now's your chance 583776;1395879719;tg2;that is hillarious, you can have fun with that coin. 583777;1395879722;moiety;manul coin will destroy them all, and enjoy it 583778;1395879727;nubbins`;^ 583779;1395879729;nubbins`;manulcoin 583780;1395879735;nubbins`;would buy 583781;1395879742;tg2;strong investment 583782;1395879746;nubbins`;and hodl 583783;1395879751;mircea_popescu;manuella is, in romanian folklore, the date of all chronic masturbators. 583784;1395879761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 23 @ 0.10144642 = 2.3333 BTC [-] 583785;1395879771;mircea_popescu;because well... manul is pretty close to the latin root for "hand". 583786;1395879778;tg2;so who has the funniest idea for a shitcoin 583787;1395879783;tg2;either created or not 583788;1395879793;nubbins`;sort of like Palmela 583789;1395879802;mircea_popescu;that one too 583790;1395879804;mircea_popescu;not as popular. 583791;1395879809;dignork;tg2, darkcoin is funny enough 583792;1395879830;moiety;mircea_popescu: i discoevered this looking for 'manul lasers' - google asks, "did you mean manual lasers?" 583793;1395879851;nubbins`;actually, i meant "automatic lasers + shipping to canada" 583794;1395879858;mircea_popescu;lol 583795;1395879864;mircea_popescu;"i meant, where is my cousin susie" 583796;1395879874;nubbins`;dude you know susie from canada!? 583797;1395879918;moiety;lolol 583798;1395879984;moiety;i think the only reason people don't make coats out of them is because its hard to skin them when theyve ripped your face off 583799;1395880015;BingoBoingo;tg2: I might have an altcoin running on an old nokia 5200 series 583800;1395880020;moiety;"fuck this - back to the chinchillas" 583801;1395880072;mircea_popescu;moiety maybe they skin them like they peel peanuts, huge mechanical process 583802;1395880076;BingoBoingo;That might make a nice internet pay per view, Manul vs. 150 chinchillas 583803;1395880108;moiety;mircea_popescu: you mean monkeys don't deal with monkey nuts? 583804;1395880119;moiety;lol BingoBoingo is sports betting with manuls already 583805;1395880142;BingoBoingo;moiety: Nah, the money isn't the betting it is selling admission 583806;1395880174;moiety;fair point, we need to catch one first though 583807;1395880201;nubbins`;set out a cardboard box 583808;1395880215;nubbins`;http://evansheline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/cat-traps-aka-boxes.jpg 583809;1395880229;moiety;LOL 583810;1395880264;nubbins`;http://www.the-crazy-cat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Mini-Cat-Trap.jpg ;( 583811;1395880282;tg2;just put a bunch of keyboards in the wild 583812;1395880290;tg2;check for key repeat events 583813;1395880349;moiety;lol 583814;1395880358;moiety;that cat: fuck you , im in the box 583815;1395880376;tg2;Sweet cat tree. Looks great from your keyboard. 583816;1395880423;moiety;i can imagine manuls being like, fuck you internet 583817;1395880579;moiety;unlike that guy, who folded after being super-trolled http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/03/senator-who-called-for-a-us-ban-on-bitcoin-now-backs-off-a-bit/ 583818;1395880623;tg2;anybody here from montreal? 583819;1395880667;tg2;Going to startup-drinks to hear people talk about how much they think their ideas are worth for 2 hours while drinking. It's an excercise in tolerance and humility. 583820;1395880683;benkay;couldn't be nearly as great as dark coin 583821;1395880686;BingoBoingo;tg2: You realize that happens here too 583822;1395880705;tg2;BingoBoingo, I haven't had a chance to witness it or partake in it yet 583823;1395880707;tg2;give me some time 583824;1395880715;tg2;I'll collect the best ones tonight and shitpost them here after 583825;1395880722;benkay;no honor in that 583826;1395880725;benkay;rip 'em to their face. 583827;1395880731;benkay;make them explain their 'business models'. 583828;1395880733;tg2;That's what the drinks are for 583829;1395880741;tg2;I like to ask them repeatedly what their current assetes are 583830;1395880741;tg2;lol 583831;1395880743;tg2;over and over 583832;1395880746;tg2;until they realize they have no assets 583833;1395880756;benkay;of course they don't they're tech startups 583834;1395880760;benkay;kinda stupid approach 583835;1395880767;tg2;then I pitch their idea back to them and ask them for $x ($x being the value they asked) 583836;1395880789;tg2;as thats pretty much the value of an idea 583837;1395880835;nubbins`;tg2 are you from montreal originally 583838;1395880844;tg2;no 583839;1395880857;tg2;I am just stuck here like a fly on a shit pile 583840;1395880890;tg2;montreal has increasingly less and less to get interested about 583841;1395880893;tg2;toronto is happening now 583842;1395880907;tg2;as far as startups and bubbles go, montreal is pretty boring 583843;1395880912;tg2;3 notable startups per year 583844;1395880916;tg2;2.8 of them flop 583845;1395880920;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00093283 = 16.3245 BTC [-] 583846;1395880958;tg2;we have, and you can count them on one hand 583847;1395881017;tg2;about 4 startups that you may have heard of 583848;1395881021;tg2;if you follow the startup scene closely 583849;1395881022;tg2;lol 583850;1395881023;tg2;http://builtinmtl.com/ 583851;1395881046;benkay;isn't there a freelancer billing company up there? 583852;1395881050;benkay;freshbooks or summat? 583853;1395881052;tg2;it looks like a template on themeforest 583854;1395881066;tg2;passwordbox 583855;1395881067;benkay;startups are responsive templates, tg2 583856;1395881084;tg2;at our "incubator" 583857;1395881087;Mats_cd03;nice buzzword placement bros 583858;1395881091;tg2;there are about 5 teams owrking on a bitcoin payment processor 583859;1395881098;tg2;lol 583860;1395881100;tg2;each on their own 583861;1395881102;tg2;obviously 583862;1395881110;tg2;we're really giving ycombinator a run for their money 583863;1395881160;tg2;montreal is home to the biggest porn company online 583864;1395881171;tg2;that is pretty much our most successful web company 583865;1395881184;tg2;(and in no way am I underplaying the actual value of that) 583866;1395881266;tg2;here's a good one, "Delta - the last web startup" 583867;1395881267;tg2;i wish 583868;1395881269;tg2;Delta lets people semantically describe the past, present, and future. Based on these descriptions, Delta understand intents and can help you make your wishes become reality, by connecting you to people that offer solutions to your problems. 583869;1395881277;tg2;holy fuck where do I sign 583870;1395881279;Mats_cd03;lol 583871;1395881286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] 583872;1395881298;Mats_cd03;understand intents? have all of the money 583873;1395881323;tg2;when I get to 100m$ in the bank, I'll choose the shittiest startup I can find 583874;1395881327;tg2;and make it a success 583875;1395881338;tg2;as proof of concept that it's not idea even, but execution 583876;1395881343;benkay;so hey everyone 583877;1395881361;benkay;a copyright notice at the bottom of your silly little webapp is all you really need 583878;1395881361;Mats_cd03;and thats why youre poor tg2 583879;1395881367;tg2;so poor 583880;1395881375;benkay;don't get on your developers' case about owning all their ip 583881;1395881391;benkay;it's bad form and it shows not only that you have no idea what you're going on about, but that you're afraid of things you don't understand 583882;1395881411;tg2;lol 583883;1395881413;benkay;just say yes, send us checks when we bill you, and enjoy software free of your own bad decisions 583884;1395881415;tg2;yeah that copyright symbol 583885;1395881418;tg2;stands on it's own 583886;1395881425;tg2;no need for actual IP protection 583887;1395881428;tg2;just slap that baby on 583888;1395881436;tg2;ready to raise some capital 583889;1395881447;benkay;ugh people raising capital 583890;1395881458;tg2;wow hey there's another gem on here 583891;1395881459;benkay;if i never work with another brilliant 20 year old again it'll be too soon 583892;1395881462;tg2;"ZeroGox.com" 583893;1395881468;tg2;"Hosted MtGox trading bot" 583894;1395881469;tg2;loll 583895;1395881477;benkay;old dudes with capital and biz experience only tyvm. 583896;1395881479;tg2;fortune 500 here we come 583897;1395881491;tg2;good thing I'm not an old dude, born in the 70's 583898;1395881497;tg2;I'm the 80's gen 583899;1395881514;tg2;we just tell people straight up that their idea is worth less than the air they used to expel it from their mouths 583900;1395881542;benkay;you do contract dev, tg2? 583901;1395881556;tg2;no I have 20 people working for me here that work on in-house projects 583902;1395881563;tg2;and I invest in about 2-3 external projects 583903;1395881578;tg2;I don't do contract development, haven't for years 583904;1395881578;benkay;and you fell for an altcoin scam?! 583905;1395881585;tg2;yeah poor me right! 583906;1395881591;tg2;i put 50 btc into doge when it was 56 satoshis 583907;1395881598;tg2;which actually brought the price up to 68 satoshis 583908;1395881603;tg2;sold at 281 583909;1395881609;Mats_cd03;r u ballin now? 583910;1395881609;cazalla;much profit 583911;1395881612;tg2;for 50btc worth 583912;1395881620;tg2;now i'm sitting on a lot of doge 583913;1395881620;benkay;well take the p/d elsewhere buddy. 583914;1395881623;tg2;and I hate doge 583915;1395881633;tg2;but if I sell it, it will crash doge 583916;1395881635;tg2;wat do 583917;1395881639;benkay;uh 583918;1395881642;benkay;don't derp with altcoins? 583919;1395881649;Mats_cd03;no dark pools? how bout -otc? 583920;1395881661;cazalla;sounds like first one to sell winsd 583921;1395881664;tg2;anyway, gonna get inundated by poor business plans 583922;1395881669;tg2;gnite 583923;1395881671;BingoBoingo;Crash Doge? For the lulz? 583924;1395881677;tg2;sell 90m doge 583925;1395881680;tg2;see how hard it falls? 583926;1395881682;tg2;pretty hard 583927;1395881685;benkay;yeah crash it for teh lulz 583928;1395881688;tg2;could yeah 583929;1395881692;tg2;but not much in it for me to do that 583930;1395881692;tg2;lol 583931;1395881711;tg2;it was hard enough to offload 50btc worth at 281 and not crash it down 583932;1395881722;BingoBoingo;tg2: Well you could make some headlines, the press loves the Dogers 583933;1395881724;tg2;had a 20btc buywall and was just selling to anybody who poked over it for 3 hours 583934;1395881735;tg2;they sponsored a nascar team 583935;1395881738;benkay;those illiquid markets 583936;1395881739;tg2;asking me to help 583937;1395881747;tg2;i'm like you want me to sponsor a no-name nascar team 583938;1395881748;tg2;for 1 race 583939;1395881752;tg2;solid investment champs 583940;1395881787;BingoBoingo;Maybe set an ask wall at 72 satoshis 583941;1395881833;tg2;its all about dark 583942;1395881835;tg2;i wish there was more volume 583943;1395881859;tg2;anyway, play money - easy come easy go 583944;1395881859;benkay;you and every other *coiner sitting on a hoard. 583945;1395881868;tg2;i like to spend my coins 583946;1395881927;benkay;last night i tried to put a photo onto my iphone 583947;1395881931;benkay;lolzolozozolollolzozl 583948;1395881963;moiety;christ, not another drama please - even if the last drama landed us in bitcoinmagazine in the end - i'd like a break. 583949;1395881982;benkay;what's today's drama moiety? 583950;1395882016;moiety;tg2: so you hate the fact that you have all this doge... and this led you to think it would be a great idea to get a pile of dark coin? *failing to see the logic here* 583951;1395882032;moiety;benkay: no i just mean a crash would be lol 583952;1395882052;benkay;much kek 583953;1395882125;tg2;i had too much doge 583954;1395882127;tg2;so i bought darkcoin 583955;1395882132;tg2;whats not to understand 583956;1395882141;tg2;which part are you having trouble with 583957;1395882146;tg2;look closer if you can't see the logic 583958;1395882151;*;moiety speaks slowly: the logic behind it 583959;1395882159;wao-ender;yay startups 583960;1395882163;moiety;if you hated the first experience so much.... 583961;1395882169;tg2;i hated making money 583962;1395882171;wao-ender;tg2: top3 startups from montreal 583963;1395882172;tg2;it was really maddening for me 583964;1395882184;tg2;i bought 50btc worth because my firend wouldn't shut up about altcoins 583965;1395882192;tg2;and then it went 6x in like 3 days 583966;1395882201;tg2;and i was forced to exit with 0 risk and swallow my pride 583967;1395882214;tg2;i wanted to prove to him that it was a bad idea to buy dogecoins while they were on the decline 583968;1395882220;tg2;and all altcoins 583969;1395882224;tg2;but alas, fucking doggers 583970;1395882235;wao-ender;very rich 583971;1395882238;*;moiety wasn't actually looking for a book response //rhetorical questions ftw 583972;1395882251;tg2;> asks question 583973;1395882253;tg2;> gets answer 583974;1395882256;tg2;> answer is satisfactory 583975;1395882262;tg2;> shitpost that it was rhetorical 583976;1395882270;moiety;are you on cocaine by any chance tg2? 583977;1395882271;tg2;> pwhew saved my ass on that one 583978;1395882294;*;jadne looks at moiety 583979;1395882332;moiety;can i help you jadne? 583980;1395882369;tg2;wao-ender: passwordbox, lagoa 583981;1395882373;tg2;we had a decent one called 5by 583982;1395882383;tg2;but they sold for like $2 to stumbleupon 583983;1395882388;jadne;moiety: i think it is the general consensus that i am beyond help. 583984;1395882393;tg2;as all startups in this shit hole do 583985;1395882399;benkay;what's up, jadne? 583986;1395882403;wao-ender;passwordmanager? 583987;1395882405;wao-ender;c'mon 583988;1395882408;wao-ender;so last decade 583989;1395882411;tg2;yeah thats what i said! 583990;1395882414;jadne;benkay: nothing? must something "be up"? 583991;1395882423;tg2;i guess people really want to keep their credentials in somebody elses hands, you can't deny that market demand 583992;1395882424;tg2;lol 583993;1395882438;benkay;well you're beyond help, neh? surely there's something afoot. 583994;1395882447;benkay;perhaps not up or elevated, but afoot or acunt 583995;1395882472;*;jadne checks her acunt 583996;1395882475;jadne;nope 583997;1395882478;wao-ender;lagoa looks cheesy 583998;1395882484;benkay;everything kosher down south? 583999;1395882495;jadne;as far as i can tell. i mean, i havent had a rabbi look. 584000;1395882505;benkay;it takes more than a look, jadne 584001;1395882506;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00093878 = 15.0205 BTC [+] 584002;1395882506;jadne;there doesnt seem to be any shellfish or dairy 584003;1395882517;benkay;oh the talmud is complex 584004;1395882523;benkay;requires a professional etc 584005;1395882559;*;jadne nods 584006;1395882576;benkay;moiety: is this one yours? 584007;1395882590;moiety;not guilty! 584008;1395882614;benkay;how came ye by -assets, jadne? 584009;1395882625;jadne;i forget who i was stalking. 584010;1395882629;jadne;maybe @aantonop 584011;1395882633;benkay;<-- professional cunstultant 584012;1395882644;benkay;cuntsultant 584013;1395882647;benkay;cunt sultan! 584014;1395882653;jadne;and then it just seemed like a reasonable group of people to spend idle time with 584015;1395882669;benkay;har the assettes? reasonable? 584016;1395882677;jadne;ha 584017;1395882684;jadne;compared to some of the other irc channels i idle in? 584018;1395882686;jadne;yeah. 584019;1395882687;BingoBoingo;Is @aantonop ever ehre? 584020;1395882695;jadne;the drama is un-fucking-believable in some places 584021;1395882705;jadne;BingoBoingo: not by that nick that i have noticed, no 584022;1395882728;TestingUnoDosTre;whats the best alternative to password manager? just encrypt the file yourself with a password? 584023;1395882771;cazalla;i really hope redban baits andreas next time he is on the podcast 584024;1395882795;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: that's a good start 584025;1395882912;moiety;benkay, are you saying im unreasonable? D: *gasp* 584026;1395882965;benkay;i've yet to meet a reasonable woman :D 584027;1395882972;moiety;lololol 584028;1395883001;jadne;truth. 584029;1395883049;benkay;but it's not all about you, moiety 584030;1395883052;benkay;sheesh 584031;1395883060;jadne;heh 584032;1395883108;moiety;ach weesht you, none of its ever about me :P i need a sarcasm tag 584033;1395883148;benkay;now now i'm playing along 584034;1395883248;moiety;ik that ;P 584035;1395883281;BingoBoingo;Odds look out of alignment here http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/ 584036;1395883282;moiety;now where did i put that duct tape.... 584037;1395883299;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.0009381 = 21.717 BTC [-] {2} 584038;1395883337;benkay;oh wow moiety just what are you planning to do with the tape now? 584039;1395883386;moiety;i can't say, it could be used against me at a later date.... 584040;1395883429;*;benkay raises just...one...eyebrow. 584041;1395883431;moiety;lol BingoBoingo i'm tempted by this one http://bitbet.us/bet/795/this-summer-will-be-the-hottest-on-record/ 584042;1395883466;BingoBoingo;moiety: Go for it 584043;1395883475;moiety;england's summer falls on a different day to scotland's though 584044;1395883542;moiety;this could skew my betting 584045;1395883628;moiety;quite amazed its so high on no 584046;1395883657;moiety;oh its only 1:1 584047;1395883668;BingoBoingo;Yeah, just starting bets 584048;1395883785;benkay;so bitbet is averaging just about 1 accepted bet/day for the past two weeks 584049;1395883990;benkay;http://bitbet.us/bet/784/s-mpoe-to-rise-above-0-001-before-july/ 584050;1395883991;ozbot;BitBet - S.MPOE to rise above 0.001 before July 584051;1395884027;BingoBoingo;sounds about right 584052;1395884029;benkay;this one has some steel behind it: 584053;1395884030;benkay;http://bitbet.us/bet/775/iron-ore-62-fe-cfr-china-tsi-jan/ 584054;1395884030;ozbot;BitBet - Iron Ore 62% Fe, CFR China (TSI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014 584055;1395884054;benkay;vastly more than the bitstamp out of business one lolzolzo 584056;1395884155;TestingUnoDosTre;surprised bitstamp under 500 before may doesnt have more... 584057;1395884214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00270796 = 1.0832 BTC [-] {8} 584058;1395884336;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00283797 = 0.1022 BTC [+] {3} 584059;1395884364;MisterE;Note name of author: http://www.pfhub.com/poll-americans-distrust-bitcoin-and-prefer-gold-457/#sthash.yidxzuVA.dpuf --> http://i.imgur.com/8reXviD.jpg 584060;1395884397;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 316 @ 0.00283798 = 0.8968 BTC [+] {2} 584061;1395884536;benkay;i've been wondering what big texty tattoo i should do 584062;1395884545;benkay;hex of the genesis block seems appropriate for this chapter in my life 584063;1395884556;jadne;ha 584064;1395884565;jadne;that would be kind of cool 584065;1395884574;jadne;i'd be impressed if you showed me that at a con :) 584066;1395884605;MisterE;xD 584067;1395884826;benkay;moiety: i know you like teh kittehs but check out this gorgeous mutt: http://imgur.com/kGFjsOt 584068;1395884924;benkay;(and his dong) 584069;1395884938;TestingUnoDosTre;on his dong8 584070;1395884942;pankkake;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mircea_Popescu 584071;1395884943;ozbot;Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 584072;1395885071;benkay;my business partner just found the seed for his electrum wallet 584073;1395885080;benkay;he's losing his shit 584074;1395885101;moiety;benkay: he is lovely! what a beautiful colour 584075;1395885112;TestingUnoDosTre;MP, how do those stock distributions work. Like how long does it take one round to end 584076;1395885144;benkay;moiety: brindles are beautiful. 584077;1395885158;benkay;baby doll wants a blue one or a fawn one next 584078;1395885177;MisterE;boy that Frozen movie was nonsense 584079;1395885206;moiety;brindle is gorgeous i think 584080;1395885220;moiety;MisterE: why you watching frozen?! 584081;1395885226;MisterE;yea the girl looked nice 584082;1395885235;MisterE;ThickAsThieves told me 584083;1395885249;moiety;but they sing in it *shudders 584084;1395885275;moiety;wow was the wikipedia made with permission?? 584085;1395885290;MisterE;dunno i always imdb 584086;1395885304;TestingUnoDosTre;for example, I'm looking at the S.NSA page, and I see the buy quantities, but was thinking there might be timestamps next to each category. 584087;1395885305;moiety;no i was ref above lol 584088;1395885312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00616867 = 0.2467 BTC [+] {4} 584089;1395885365;MisterE;that mutt looks mutty 584090;1395885373;MisterE;though that is a pretty smart breed iirc 584091;1395885458;ThickAsThieves;<moiety> MisterE: why you watching frozen?! /// problyno the Frozen you think 584092;1395885478;jadne;i liked frozen. a lot. :p 584093;1395885495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0554 = 0.277 BTC [+] 584094;1395885516;moiety;I didn't think you would Disney ThickAsThieves 584095;1395885520;ThickAsThieves;MisterE, I named many movies that I liked, most better than Frozen 584096;1395885530;ThickAsThieves;but I do appreciate it nonetheless 584097;1395885533;mircea_popescu;o look at how famous i am now. 584098;1395885557;ThickAsThieves;How Famous Are You Now? 584099;1395885558;MisterE;wow didnt know any of that about mircea_popescu 584100;1395885576;MisterE;better print it out its up for deletion those nazi editors lol 584101;1395885582;ThickAsThieves;oh the wiki 584102;1395885587;MisterE;nice work on the public corruption bit 584103;1395885612;mircea_popescu;tg2> as proof of concept that it's not idea even, but execution << you are, of course, late in your reading. 584104;1395885614;MisterE;yea ThickAsThieves the wiki... and to be fair Frozen was not the worst movie I've ever watched 584105;1395885658;moiety;i see the 2010 one now 584106;1395885684;MisterE;mircea_popescu: if BSD was in trouble surely they had plenty of notice, years, that they were going to be in trouble? Why the suddenly, "we're broke and need a lifeline"? 584107;1395885707;MisterE;yea moiety 2010 and it has a ski lift chair on the front 584108;1395885717;MisterE;there are other frozen titles 584109;1395885761;mircea_popescu;MisterE it's complicated, of course. 584110;1395885780;MisterE;how? either they mismanaged their money or there was a big event? 584111;1395885790;pankkake;or it's a good way to raise funds 584112;1395885801;MisterE;heh fair point 584113;1395885830;pankkake;though nonprofits really like when people subscribe (i.e. donate every month) most people don't 584114;1395885840;mircea_popescu;MisterE generally speaking, everything that exists has needs. after someone finances them their being financed seems the most natural, easiest thing in the world, and hardly worth the mention. 584115;1395885859;mircea_popescu;before anyone does, however, no one either wants to or really intends to, and the future looks more like an end. 584116;1395885865;MisterE;no I know foss projects need ongoing financing 584117;1395885872;mircea_popescu;way of the world. 584118;1395885889;TestingUnoDosTre;and hows the lelsSEC scandle proceeding? 584119;1395885896;mircea_popescu;so yes, they had been wailing for months that they're screwed. 584120;1395885939;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre nothing much really. like one of those 1950s broads, nose up in the air and a lot of hot puff in the head i'm sure. 584121;1395885941;MisterE;alright, I assume you checked their financial management was sound before funding them 584122;1395885947;mircea_popescu;as if cocks now suck themselves or something. 584123;1395885949;MisterE;you're not dummy 584124;1395885963;MisterE;WTF? where can i get one of them ASAP? 584125;1395885980;mircea_popescu;so who's jadne ? 584126;1395885983;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00093878 = 8.8245 BTC [+] 584127;1395886023;jadne;mircea_popescu: er 584128;1395886040;jadne;i have been lurking and contributing infrequently for ... i dunno, weeks or months maybe 584129;1395886048;mircea_popescu;cool. 584130;1395886061;MisterE;o/ 584131;1395886081;jadne;but this evening i find myself alone at home and substantially bored and somebody here said something that caught my attention and i have not subsequently minimized the window 584132;1395886149;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo by now, who even knows who reads the website proceeds. 584133;1395886185;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre: 584134;1395886185;mircea_popescu;whats the best alternative to password manager? just encrypt the file yourself with a password? << gpg --encrypt --armor -r yourname 584135;1395886187;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Is that a typo I left somewhere? 584136;1395886198;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you were asking about aantonp 584137;1395886207;BingoBoingo;Ah 584138;1395886208;MisterE;TestingUnoDosTre: and you can store it in your git 584139;1395886227;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00093493 = 5.0486 BTC [-] 584140;1395886230;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mircea_Popescu#Mircea_Popescu 584141;1395886230;ozbot;Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 584142;1395886244;MisterE;did you do that BingoBoingo ? 584143;1395886253;BingoBoingo;MisterE: Do what? 584144;1395886266;MisterE;theose fucken nazi editors quick deleted all the pages I strted too 584145;1395886272;MisterE;the wiki page on MP 584146;1395886276;BingoBoingo;Nah, 584147;1395886285;mircea_popescu;lol some massive trollage there huh. 584148;1395886288;BingoBoingo;MP's page isn't deleted, but they are "discussing it" 584149;1395886290;mircea_popescu;your handiwork ? 584150;1395886313;MisterE;hah, I wish. Great idea though now you mention it. 584151;1395886318;BingoBoingo;My only contribution to the thing was: "Keep The footnotes seem to establish sufficient coverage to definitely establish notability worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedic reference. Media references to him seem likely to be sustained into the future so long as Bitcoin remains relevant. It should also be noted the the Romanian language sources that mention him do not detract from the notability. He's attracted substantial interest 584152;1395886318;BingoBoingo;in the Romanian language space in the past and has been gathering a lot of notice in the English language space. Since he doesn't seem to be slowing down on doing big thing or on attracting big headlines, criticism on the basis on notability sounds weak. Mr Wave (Talk - Contribs) 02:09, 27 March 2014 (UTC)" 584153;1395886323;mircea_popescu;jeez look at that, the discussing it page is larger than the actual article. 584154;1395886338;*;jadne has an alias for gpg -sear 584155;1395886363;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mircea_Popescu 584156;1395886363;ozbot;Talk:Mircea Popescu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 584157;1395886390;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i mean the second one you linked 584158;1395886400;pankkake;pretty much every new page on WP gets a deletion page 584159;1395886407;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah, that is them derping about deleting or not. 584160;1395886409;pankkake;it's like half of the active editors are deleters 584161;1395886420;mircea_popescu;heh you know what, this mess gives me hope. if wikipedia can be this insanely nutty/bureaucratic/fastidious and survive 584162;1395886430;mircea_popescu;maybe there is hope for our "stfu and go read for six months" approach to life. 584163;1395886444;BingoBoingo;pankkake: Back in the days of it being library school homework I stealthed in some pages that didn't get the delte flag 584164;1395886452;TestingUnoDosTre;it's hilarious because there's no real difference between an actual wikipedia talk/discussion and trolling 584165;1395886463;pankkake;well it wasn't like that before 584166;1395886463;mircea_popescu;i can't believe they're discussing each other's intentions as a pre-requisite to discussing whether they should be discussing if the thing should be discussed. 584167;1395886465;mircea_popescu;or w/e it is. 584168;1395886500;BingoBoingo;Well, ad hominem is effective if fallacious 584169;1395886508;mircea_popescu;i guess if one provides employees wikipedia links that should count as anticonceptionals under obamacare ? 584170;1395886518;BingoBoingo;Prolly 584171;1395886595;BingoBoingo;Looky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2014_March_24#Amir_Taaki 584172;1395886618;mircea_popescu;lmao 584173;1395886629;mircea_popescu;ah come on, that must be sockpuppetry. 584174;1395886646;BingoBoingo;Note who suggested deletion of the Taaki article 584175;1395886646;mircea_popescu;i can't wrap my head around the notion someone seriously considered that thing is an article. 584176;1395886676;mircea_popescu;waiot and there's a reddit ?! 584177;1395886708;jadne;mircea_popescu: on wikipedia, it kind of works as an article as it is thoroughly-sourced 584178;1395886720;jadne;the idea being somebody will come along later with a better grasp of how to fucking wite 584179;1395886723;jadne;wrrrrrite 584180;1395886728;mircea_popescu;the taaki thing ? 584181;1395886736;mircea_popescu;you have got to be kidding me. 584182;1395886741;jadne;oh, derp 584183;1395886752;jadne;disregard me, it hought you were talking about "your" article 584184;1395886767;jadne;we now return to our regularly scheduled lurking 584185;1395886768;BingoBoingo;I still can't believe Taaki wanted to self delete on the wiki 584186;1395886776;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15493 @ 0.00093878 = 14.5445 BTC [+] 584187;1395886786;mircea_popescu;all art is feigning. 584188;1395886798;benkay;and piracy 584189;1395886800;BingoBoingo;So is all sport 584190;1395886808;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre what about stock distributions were you asking ? 584191;1395886817;TestingUnoDosTre;like S.NSA 584192;1395886852;mircea_popescu;stock is announced, people put bids in, stock is issued, then it trades. 584193;1395886859;TestingUnoDosTre;on your page, you list the amount like 100,000 , and the price in BTC, like .00000001 584194;1395886870;mircea_popescu;you mean on mpex ? 584195;1395886872;TestingUnoDosTre;but I'm wondering how much time it took for the next round to end 584196;1395886873;TestingUnoDosTre;yes 584197;1395886881;TestingUnoDosTre;stock purchasing, IPO funding 584198;1395886892;mircea_popescu;there was only one round in s.nsa. 584199;1395886937;TestingUnoDosTre;What about multiple buy quantities at multiple prices 584200;1395886945;TestingUnoDosTre;is that not considered multiple rounds? 584201;1395886946;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-10-2013#340311 584202;1395886949;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 584203;1395886951;BingoBoingo;Each of the MPEx stocks IPO'd a bit differently. I imagine it is mircea_popescu Still working on a "best" way to do it. 584204;1395886952;mircea_popescu;that was the announcement 584205;1395886963;TestingUnoDosTre;that's the page I'm looking at 584206;1395886970;TestingUnoDosTre;whats with all the data in the top right? 584207;1395886983;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2013#351229 584208;1395886985;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 584209;1395886986;mircea_popescu;that was the ipo. 584210;1395887005;TestingUnoDosTre;errr sorry. Blocks is the word I'm looking for 584211;1395887007;mircea_popescu;at the top right ? you mean the book ? 584212;1395887009;mircea_popescu;$depth s.nsa 584213;1395887010;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: S.NSA Bids: ['80 @ 0.000111', '100 @ 0.000101', '10000 @ 0.0001', '1957 @ 0.0001', '20000 @ 9.851e-05'] 584214;1395887011;mpexbot;mircea_popescu: Asks: ['7241 @ 0.000156', '5000 @ 0.00016', '10000 @ 0.00018', '35600 @ 0.00021', '140000 @ 0.000215'] 584215;1395887013;mircea_popescu;that stuff ? 584216;1395887017;TestingUnoDosTre;yeah 584217;1395887022;mircea_popescu;that's the book. 584218;1395887028;TestingUnoDosTre;ooook 584219;1395887038;pankkake;https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amir_Taaki&diff=566099557&oldid=566097405 584220;1395887040;ozbot;Amir Taaki: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 584221;1395887076;mircea_popescu;no fucking way ?! 584222;1395887080;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3066.0 < actually legit ? 584223;1395887082;ozbot;Erotic chat by Skype 584224;1395887089;TestingUnoDosTre;so all IPO shares were bought at .0001? 584225;1395887110;mircea_popescu;"these girls are really horny and excited about doing this." 584226;1395887121;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre well yes. 584227;1395887163;benkay;just voice chat? 584228;1395887165;benkay;wackness. 584229;1395887167;mircea_popescu;i wonder if it was him doing voices ? 584230;1395887184;mircea_popescu;"Occupationchairman, Bitcoin Consultancy" 584231;1395887187;TestingUnoDosTre;lol 584232;1395887209;mircea_popescu;you remember bitcoin consultancy, i'm sure. the thing which is still liable for bitcoinica loss. you remember bitcoinica, i'm sure. the dry run for the mtgox fiasco. 584233;1395887290;BingoBoingo;Ofc 584234;1395887295;BingoBoingo;This seems familiar https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Chronic_Troll_Syndrome 584235;1395887358;bitcoinpete;i'm heading out the door and i'll bbl but i just published this: 584236;1395887361;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/who-what-where-when-why-web-of-trust/ 584237;1395887362;ozbot;The 5 Ws of WoT | When Bitcoin Met Pete 584238;1395887380;TestingUnoDosTre;okay so for BitBet, how did you release the shares in blocks? 584239;1395887383;benkay;bitcoinpete: reminder friday's a day 584240;1395887394;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre yes. 584241;1395887406;TestingUnoDosTre;I see the numbers etc 584242;1395887408;mircea_popescu;as far as i recall bitcoin's most exciting ipo to date. 584243;1395887428;TestingUnoDosTre;but how did you make sure that one person's bid made it into a block, or did not 584244;1395887434;BingoBoingo;BitBet is basically Bitcoin's most exciting everything 584245;1395887438;mircea_popescu;Jan 05 07:38:59 <mircea_popescu>sooo, drumroll! 584246;1395887438;mircea_popescu;Jan 05 07:38:59 <mircea_popescu>http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET 584247;1395887446;mircea_popescu;sadly public logs don't go that far. 584248;1395887449;bitcoinpete;benkay: remembered! 584249;1395887451;mircea_popescu;(jan 2013) 584250;1395887467;benkay;cya, bitcoinpete 584251;1395887530;benkay;;;ud kipping 584252;1395887531;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kipping | kipping. A form of cheating while doing pull-ups, whereby and individual struggling to do another abruptly jerks the knees upward to provide extra lift and remove ... 584253;1395887531;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: kipping 584254;1395887584;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/1758473/ 584255;1395887585;ozbot;dpaste: #1758473 584256;1395887585;mircea_popescu;there. 584257;1395887627;benkay;anduck lolzolzozl 584258;1395887631;mircea_popescu;meanwhile elsewere in the swamp, 584259;1395887631;mircea_popescu;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-26/citigroup-fails-fed-stress-test-as-goldman-bofa-modify-plans.html 584260;1395887631;ozbot;Citigroup Fails Fed Stress Test as Goldman, BofA Alter Plans - Bloomberg 584261;1395887670;BingoBoingo;At least MPEx and MPOE survived the February options stress test 584262;1395887691;benkay;wait, mpoe survived?! 584263;1395887717;chetty;http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/26/us-usa-casinos-moneylaundering-idUSBREA2P1P120140326 584264;1395887718;ozbot;Exclusive: U.S. to require casinos to vet high rollers' funds - sources 584265;1395887730;BingoBoingo;benkay: Sure, just the bot is on leave 584266;1395887742;benkay;no, there are no options on sale. 584267;1395887749;benkay;this is distinct from the bot quoting. 584268;1395887753;BingoBoingo;benkay: There can be if you write them 584269;1395887759;benkay;wat rly? 584270;1395887763;mircea_popescu;notrly. 584271;1395887771;benkay;mircea_popescu: confirm? 584272;1395887773;benkay;ya I TO JOO 584273;1395887774;mircea_popescu;not atm anyway. but yes, if you want to mm options we can work it out 584274;1395887782;benkay;ahahahahahahahahah 584275;1395887784;benkay;oh my sides 584276;1395887789;benkay;yeah if you think you can beat mp 584277;1395887799;benkay;feel free to mm options in btc 584278;1395887799;benkay;gl kids 584279;1395887807;BingoBoingo;And MPOE is alive 584280;1395887823;benkay;the asset by ticker of S.MPOE is alive 584281;1395887829;benkay;the options emporium, eh 584282;1395887843;benkay;do forgive my pedantry. 584283;1395887849;nubbins`;!t m s.mpoe 584284;1395887849;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0009316 / 0.00094411 / 0.0009529 (235357 shares, 222.20 BTC), 7D: 0.00080946 / 0.00093157 / 0.00096 (4496923 shares, 4,189.22 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00085903 / 0.00096 (30475036 shares, 26,179.27 BTC) 584285;1395887858;mircea_popescu;benkay you know how many people ask me about random x y z "wall street outfit" that's going to make an options market and whart do i think etc ? 584286;1395887867;BingoBoingo;The options emporium is open to anyone willing to MM options without shitting themselves 584287;1395887873;mircea_popescu;and i usually go "sure, why not. send me pictures." 584288;1395887882;benkay;with no options it ain't much of an emporium, BingoBoingo 584289;1395887891;mircea_popescu;it is now the pimporium. 584290;1395887908;BingoBoingo;benkay: I'm thinking some koans might be relevant. 584291;1395887914;nubbins`;m-pop 584292;1395887931;Mats_cd03;somehow share price managed to appreciate *after* options are pulled 584293;1395887932;benkay;koan me baby 584294;1395887932;benkay;koan sweetly in my ear 584295;1395887942;Mats_cd03;can someone explain that? 584296;1395887957;velly;hey guys 584297;1395887957;benkay;options were confusing 584298;1395887985;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 either a) people are insane ; b) there's more afoot than meets the eye ; or c) the options were perceived as more of a risk source than revenue source. 584299;1395887986;benkay;no confusion -> more easily determined price? 584300;1395887986;benkay;iono. ask de massah 584301;1395888003;benkay;hey velly, what's news 584302;1395888004;BingoBoingo;Student walks into a bookstore mid semester and sees no textbooks on the shelves, asks the manager what kind of bookstore is this. Manager replies, this is the bookstore you need. You just don't need it now. 584303;1395888038;Mats_cd03;i see 584304;1395888058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05440003 = 0.1088 BTC [-] {2} 584305;1395888059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] {2} 584306;1395888060;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete i'm not so crazy about your spacing and formatting of irc snippets 584307;1395888060;gribble;The operation succeeded. 584308;1395888061;mircea_popescu;very airy. 584309;1395888066;asciilifeform;commented on the wikiwankatron, for what that's worth. 584310;1395888086;velly;sorry im a bit of a noob, can anyone help me out? What is a good price for s.mpoe and how do I get into it 584311;1395888088;chetty;http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2014/03/25/mind-your-manners-ocean-city-to-post-no-profanity-signs/ 584312;1395888088;ozbot;Mind Your Manners: Ocean City To Post ‘No Profanity’ Signs « CBS Baltimore 584313;1395888103;benkay;oooooooh mircea_popescu fixed his footnote linespacing 584314;1395888115;benkay;talking all kinds of shit on everyone else's design work nao 584315;1395888118;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0475 = 0.1425 BTC [-] {3} 584316;1395888119;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0544001 = 0.1088 BTC [+] {2} 584317;1395888120;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] {2} 584318;1395888121;mircea_popescu;the people who had wikipedia accounts ?! 584319;1395888127;mircea_popescu;check out asciilifeform : ten contributions since 2006. 584320;1395888130;asciilifeform;lol 584321;1395888138;asciilifeform;i'm not much of a pediwikist, no. 584322;1395888159;mircea_popescu;previous being a jan 2013 thing on naggum 584323;1395888164;mircea_popescu;more flattered, i could not be. 584324;1395888174;asciilifeform;lolmatic 584325;1395888179;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 584326;1395888186;mircea_popescu;velly it's a good idea to take your time, read, etc. 584327;1395888190;mircea_popescu;mpoe isn't going anywhere. 584328;1395888213;velly;ok sounds good 584329;1395888217;velly;where do I start 584330;1395888228;mircea_popescu;here. the log is in the topic 584331;1395888235;mircea_popescu;you can read that backwards, it's enlightening 584332;1395888240;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i had no idea he died 40 584333;1395888255;mircea_popescu;man sounds ancient. 584334;1395888272;BingoBoingo;;;ident BingoBoingo 584335;1395888273;velly;the irc log? 584336;1395888275;asciilifeform;he did. very treatable disease (gastric something or other) left untreated. it was arguably a kind of suicide by self-neglect 584337;1395888295;mircea_popescu;velly yes 584338;1395888314;asciilifeform;the man was loaded, left a very well-kept library that was auctioned off. and a cat. was a sort of disillusioned type. 584339;1395888324;velly;seems a bit dry... 584340;1395888325;asciilifeform;found dead at his console, i believe. 584341;1395888331;mircea_popescu;"In 1995, Erik started a journalism watch-group project on the web, campaigning to get a journalist sacked from Aftenposten following the publication of a sensationalist story about how Internet Relay Chat channels were used to trade child pornography." 584342;1395888338;mircea_popescu;such a waste of champagne 584343;1395888342;BingoBoingo;Was there something earlier about needing an education experienced person to contribute to a reading list? 584344;1395888353;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yes there was. 584345;1395888379;mircea_popescu;but i gather the consensus was, dump everything on lampelina and then scream at her for it not being right. 584346;1395888385;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I might actually have training and experience in the education field. 584347;1395888401;mircea_popescu;so in that case maybe put together something ? 584348;1395888401;BingoBoingo;Lemme GPG and paste the credentials 584349;1395888425;velly;anything more directly informative? I'm not really sure I want to read through this whole log--- even so far there's a lot of fluff... 584350;1395888439;asciilifeform;quite possibly, naggum died of regret - for being responsible for 'xml' 584351;1395888454;TestingUnoDosTre;<velly> here https://coinbr.com/about 584352;1395888466;mircea_popescu;velly not really. it's like a monk's life, you know ? no way to separate the learning from the toil. 584353;1395888467;BingoBoingo;velly: Stuff is being worked on. 584354;1395888482;asciilifeform;he took engineering standards very seriously. very much, almost pathologically, a 'future-oriented' fellow 584355;1395888483;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shameful thing to be responsible for. 584356;1395888498;TestingUnoDosTre;who are you guys talking about meow? 584357;1395888502;*;MisterE velly: a bit of infos here: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/ 584358;1395888525;asciilifeform;TestingUnoDosTre: a mr. erik naggum, died in 2009. 584359;1395888551;velly;thanks guys, I'll have a look into this. I have somewhat of a futures background, but I'd like to make sure I'm well informed before I start on this side of things. 584360;1395888584;mircea_popescu;velly it may seem preposterous to begin with, but take the word of a stranger in a chatroom : 584361;1395888588;asciilifeform;lol pediwikia has already proclaimed me a spammer 584362;1395888593;mircea_popescu;the time you spend reading that stupid fluff will be the best roi of your life. 584363;1395888620;velly;you're not a stranger :) 584364;1395888620;asciilifeform;how's that 584365;1395888631;mircea_popescu;they can't be fucking serious lmao 584366;1395888674;velly;but unfortunately I'm not in a position to read long IRC chat logs 584367;1395888696;Apocalyptic;you don't have to read all of it at once you know 584368;1395888716;mircea_popescu;" Dem State Senator Who Authored Gun Control Legislation Arrested for Conspiring to Traffic Firearms" 584369;1395888717;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: mailed, figuring out this GPG for jpg's thing 584370;1395888721;velly;it goes on for months 584371;1395888731;mircea_popescu;i wonder what he is could also having problems for. 584372;1395888737;mircea_popescu;velly years, actually. 584373;1395888758;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you dun have to proveanything, just do something that works. 584374;1395888774;velly;not everyone has time for that 584375;1395888785;velly;seems like there are better sources for the information 584376;1395888792;velly;I don't want your judgement 584377;1395888801;velly;I just want to know where to start to inform myself 584378;1395888810;chetty;the log with the reuters interview would be a good start 584379;1395888822;velly;how can I even know that the discussion in here is reliable or correct? 584380;1395888822;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I really just wanted to take a picture of the diploma. I spent way too much on it for too little return. Having it in the Dossier at MP intel central at least makes up some of the waste 584381;1395888831;mircea_popescu;lol 584382;1395888849;mircea_popescu;velly you can't. 584383;1395888852;mircea_popescu;which is part of your problem. 584384;1395888884;mircea_popescu;chetty i guess, if he were specifically a journalist looking for how to behave in the new, post-fiat world. 584385;1395888917;velly;so why would I bother reading years of unreliable and irrelevant discussion 584386;1395888948;BingoBoingo;velly: So that you might in a year know what parts are reliable 584387;1395888949;mircea_popescu;that you can't figure out that it is reliable and relevant doesn't make it the opposite. 584388;1395888963;chetty;the interview log has a lot of good links 584389;1395888965;asciilifeform;answered the 'you are a spammer' fellow, for what that's worth. 584390;1395888992;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there are probably numerous better uses fdor your time 584391;1395888998;asciilifeform;surely. 584392;1395889001;mircea_popescu;among them, making paper out of celophane 584393;1395889006;mircea_popescu;(it can be done) 584394;1395889032;velly;I have to go now, lunch break over and have work to do. Thanks for everyone's help. Sadly, not everyone has infinite time. 584395;1395889094;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00094468 = 22.2 BTC [+] 584396;1395889095;mircea_popescu;the beauty of life on earth is that no one has infinite time. 584397;1395889104;mircea_popescu;so it's always a sorting problem. 584398;1395889167;velly;well reading that IRC log would simply break my np complexity limits :v 584399;1395889176;mircea_popescu;that's the point :D 584400;1395889194;mircea_popescu;i think this convo may actually become canonical link-to for future people who have the problem. 584401;1395889218;asciilifeform;i think the dynamics of pediwikia 'deletionism' are vaguely interesting - the innumerable pages on obscure fictional characters, etc. that stand perfectly firm, and so on. but the topic has been beaten to death elsewhere. 584402;1395889239;mircea_popescu;not unrelated to "where can i read all about the english language ?" "uh... just pick up a book ?" "what if it sucks ?" "... what do you want from me!" 584403;1395889320;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the more fascinating observation, reviewing this bowlfull of guts irc has graciously thrown at me, is just how... innate! the bureaucratic behaviour is. 584404;1395889340;asciilifeform;the 'beetle type' 584405;1395889343;mircea_popescu;people derping about evil government have it all wrong. people WANT to spend their time toiling pointlessly, with small tools. 584406;1395889356;mircea_popescu;where is that lion tamer schetch 584407;1395889375;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMOmB1q8W4Y 584408;1395889375;ozbot;Monty Python - Lion Tamer - YouTube 584409;1395889376;mircea_popescu;there we go 584410;1395889396;asciilifeform;who thrives on 'housing committee' and similar places. takes delight in demolishing orchards, at the owner's expense, for 'violations', and the like. 584411;1395889421;mircea_popescu;incidentally... anyone seen all about eve ? 584412;1395889427;asciilifeform;they exist, and are the muscle, bones, of bureaucracy 584413;1395889428;mircea_popescu;very young monroe, 584414;1395889462;mircea_popescu;very powerful davis, splendid george sanders 584415;1395889487;nubbins`;sea of love was good 584416;1395889491;asciilifeform;'territorial' behaviour, not even specifically mammalian 584417;1395889513;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not even sure it's that. maybe it is. 584418;1395889525;mircea_popescu;but it's the pointlessness of the activity that strikes me. 584419;1395889540;mircea_popescu;consider greenspun's earlier point : 584420;1395889570;benkay;velly: you don't have to read the whole logs, just sit and lurk and digest 584421;1395889579;benkay;it'll be great roi, take it from a stranger 584422;1395889589;mircea_popescu;"This oldster has tenure. He draws the same salary regardless of whether he sits through those interminable boring committee meetings. Why would he agree to do it? Why wouldn't he rather be playing squash, riding a horse, flying an aircraft, walking his dog, etc.?" 584423;1395889599;mircea_popescu;his ready answer is that "The distressing possibility that the oldster agreed to be on the committee so that he would have a venue in which people would listen to him does not occur to the youngster." 584424;1395889606;mircea_popescu;but maybe that's only part of the problem. 584425;1395889637;mircea_popescu;maybe what the real problem is has more to do with lions. as long as we sit put and do nothing, a lot of pointless, small, provably impotent nothing... 584426;1395889641;mircea_popescu;... we.... we cant die. 584427;1395889644;asciilifeform;there is also the undying, zoological enmity of mediocrity to anything colourful, alive. 584428;1395889652;BingoBoingo;I had a professor like that. Octagenarian stroke survivor. 584429;1395889656;mircea_popescu;i believe it is fear of death. 584430;1395889666;BingoBoingo;TA'd for them 584431;1395889688;asciilifeform;beetle man lives a kind of demo version of death, even alive 584432;1395889704;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23808 @ 0.00094537 = 22.5074 BTC [+] {2} 584433;1395889707;asciilifeform;he already knows what he sums to - zero 584434;1395889708;mircea_popescu;don't go up and strike a conversation with the tall woman. why not ? well... 584435;1395889723;BingoBoingo;They wore basketball shorts and a wifebeater to lecture unless they had higher university business on a particular day 584436;1395889725;mircea_popescu;it's not the woman that's intimidating, of course. but she looks like the sort of men that'd pursue her might kill you 584437;1395889733;mircea_popescu;and so with everything else. hoc sunt leones. 584438;1395889753;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wifebeater ?! seriously ? 584439;1395889822;Mats_cd03;og 584440;1395889823;cazalla;that's like half my wardrobe 584441;1395889827;nubbins`;^ heh 584442;1395889832;cazalla;but i'm aussie so it goes without saying 584443;1395889838;nubbins`;the other half being a pair of pants? 584444;1395889852;mircea_popescu;a pinskirt ? 584445;1395889878;mircea_popescu;wifebeater and pin skirt. now that'd be the outfit. 584446;1395889910;cazalla;if i said thongs, i guess you couldn't be blamed for thinking pin skirt 584447;1395889926;moiety;i dont mean to contribute more fluff, but we might have to stage an intervention for asciilifeform; first the lolcats, now internet spam, it'll be reflinks next.... :o 584448;1395889954;mircea_popescu;moiety and by we i mean you. sick'im girl. 584449;1395889997;asciilifeform;possible revelance to beetle men discussion: 584450;1395890002;asciilifeform;;;google Jonathan Haidt foundations 584451;1395890003;gribble;Home | moralfoundations.org: <http://www.moralfoundations.org/>; Jonathan Haidt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Haidt>; Moral Foundations Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Foundations_Theory> 584452;1395890007;asciilifeform;see 'purity' 584453;1395890065;asciilifeform;(tldr - psychology crackpot who wrote a taxonomy of human motivations) 584454;1395890065;mircea_popescu;"b) is actually Romanian, and perhaps in some relation to the Romanian Foreign service." 584455;1395890069;mircea_popescu;wait wait... the plot thickens 584456;1395890084;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It is the coloqualism for a sleeveless undershirt 584457;1395890084;mircea_popescu;i'm being persecuted in effigy by wikipedia james blond. 584458;1395890088;moiety;asciilifeform: i demand you hand over all your manul pics, its for your own good. 584459;1395890104;asciilifeform;moiety: pet the manul (tm) 584460;1395890105;mircea_popescu;(with a black shoe) 584461;1395890140;MisterE;LMAO: http://i.imgur.com/xbmzqYp.gif 584462;1395890143;mircea_popescu;http://www.yourmorals.org/ym_dinner_2011.jpg why do people today look like a bunch of dorks 584463;1395890157;mircea_popescu;no wonder painting is dead as an art. who, or should i say what, to paint ? 584464;1395890212;asciilifeform;MisterE: if i recall, from same: http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Futurama_740ef3_1220967.gif 584465;1395890228;mircea_popescu;"1) Care/harm: This foundation is related to our long evolution as mammals with attachment systems and an ability to feel (and dislike) the pain of others. It underlies virtues of kindness, gentleness, and nurturance." 584466;1395890233;mircea_popescu;there's no such dislike of pain in others. 584467;1395890252;mircea_popescu;"2) Fairness/cheating: This foundation is related to the evolutionary process of reciprocal altruism." 584468;1395890253;mircea_popescu;pfff 584469;1395890260;mircea_popescu;just add global warming and stir. 584470;1395890284;mircea_popescu;it's a wholly innovative, verily incisive bit of us-science. 584471;1395890289;BingoBoingo;This is the professor in question who wears gym attire to lecture if anyone is curious http://mypage.siu.edu/geosched/ 584472;1395890327;moiety;MisterE: I fear for a Farmville revival VR style via OR 584473;1395890328;mircea_popescu;red on blue, always a good choice. 584474;1395890339;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if i recall, the writer in question wasn't prescribing 'principles' for people, but tried to catalogue where various anthropological common threads (taboos among savages, etc.) were. 584475;1395890348;Apocalyptic;moar contrast needed 584476;1395890354;asciilifeform;admittedly through the lens of, well, whatever he was. 584477;1395890363;moiety;aww i was hoping for lycra in the link BingoBoingo 584478;1395890375;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 478 @ 0.00267085 = 1.2767 BTC [-] {8} 584479;1395890376;mircea_popescu;moiety http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Cotton_planter_and_pickers1908.jpg 584480;1395890405;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. and he catalogued them into "martini" and "gin" 584481;1395890407;BingoBoingo;moiety: Consolation prize maybe? http://thesouthern.com/news/local/student-levels-racism-charges-in-siu-department/article_0ed2a97a-cd94-11e2-a088-001a4bcf887a.html 584482;1395890411;mircea_popescu;wherein of course martini is not a vermouth. 584483;1395890435;asciilifeform;;;borges chinese encyclopaedia 584484;1395890436;gribble;Error: "borges" is not a valid command. 584485;1395890439;asciilifeform;;;google borges chinese encyclopaedia 584486;1395890440;gribble;Celestial Emporium of Benevolent Knowledge - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_Emporium_of_Benevolent_Knowledge>; Borges' Encyclopedia - Multics: <http://www.multicians.org/thvv/borges-animals.html>; Preface to The Order of Things - Serendip: <http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/sci_cult/evolit/s05/prefaceOrderFoucault.pdf> 584487;1395890486;asciilifeform;imho not entirely useless. 584488;1395890517;MisterE;ahh yes Bryn Mawr, the consolation prize of Ivy league schools 584489;1395890571;asciilifeform;MisterE: if it weren't for emmy noether, would anyone ever know of bryn mawr ? 584490;1395890576;MisterE;also known as a finishing school for Southern hussies on the hunt for financial security 584491;1395890594;MisterE;:) 584492;1395890600;punkman1;http://arxiv.org/abs/1403.6676 584493;1395890601;ozbot;[1403.6676] Bitcoin Transaction Malleability and MtGox 584494;1395890601;mircea_popescu;you say that as if it were a bad thing. 584495;1395890624;rithm;These jokes are so high brow 584496;1395890630;mircea_popescu;an earnest hussy looking for a husband'd seem a lot more respectable than a pretentious priss pretending she belongs in tech or government or w/e. 584497;1395890680;mircea_popescu;punkman1 so are they saying that mtgox made it up ? 584498;1395890690;punkman1;mircea_popescu: seems like it 584499;1395890690;MisterE;there's nothing wrong about being up front about the desire for security when selecting a mate 584500;1395890734;moiety;BingoBoingo: o.o is he actually racist or is jackson butthurt for never being promoted? 584501;1395890751;BingoBoingo;moiety: I'll decline to comment. 584502;1395890821;benkay;mircea_popescu: except in the us where the notion of a 'wife' in the older than a decade sense is abhorrent to the youth. 584503;1395890898;BingoBoingo;Oh, so many fucking vircurex notes 584504;1395890960;BingoBoingo;moiety: Probably a little bit of each, but I had moved on by then 584505;1395890983;MisterE;http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/03/we-may-have-witnessed-nsa-shotgiant-tao.html 584506;1395890983;ozbot;Errata Security: We may have witnessed a NSA "Shotgiant" TAO-like action 584507;1395890995;*;moiety nods I was thinking this BingoBoingo 584508;1395891024;MisterE;benkay: most of the world is OK with a 20 years age diff 584509;1395891030;BingoBoingo;moiety: I've met both of them, but my knowledge of each is insufficient to make a judgment on who is likely more truthful 584510;1395891058;mircea_popescu;punkman1 well, it was known since t+1second, but it's good someone actually put it in writing, so to speak. 584511;1395891092;mircea_popescu;benkay one doesn't get too far in life by paying any heed to the youth. 584512;1395891118;moiety;BingoBoingo: i'm looking forward to part 2 of vircurex btw // yeah theres nothing quite like university staff politics 584513;1395891130;punkman1;mircea_popescu: they had been gathering data since Jan 2013, transactions looking like malleability-attacks only spiked after the Mtgox press release 584514;1395891165;punkman1;someone should bug them to release all that data, would be good to have 584515;1395891170;mircea_popescu;indeed. 584516;1395891186;mircea_popescu;do we know who they are ? 584517;1395891193;BingoBoingo;moiety: Well they were one of the earliest crypto-concerns I had dealt with back in early 2013. I have a lot of notes. // Well I threw up in one or both party's residence at least once 584518;1395891211;punkman1;Christian Dcker, Roger Wattenhofer, ETH Zurich 584519;1395891218;punkman1;*Decker 584520;1395891228;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust chatquack 584521;1395891229;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04779799 = 0.1912 BTC [+] {3} 584522;1395891230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05421 = 0.1626 BTC [-] {2} 584523;1395891231;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-] {2} 584524;1395891232;MisterE;I don't believe the malleability bug had much of anything to do with Gox's insolvency 584525;1395891321;punkman1;"However, while MtGox claimed to have lost 850,000 bitcoins due to malleability attacks, we merely observed a total of 302,000 bitcoins ever being involved in malleability attacks. Of these, only 1,811 bitcoins were in attacks before MtGox stopped users from withdrawing bitcoins. Even more, 78.64% of these attacks were ineffective." 584526;1395891335;mircea_popescu;Hamburg University of Applied Sciences ? 584527;1395891401;MisterE;punkman1: where you reading? 584528;1395891414;punkman1;MisterE: the paper I linked 584529;1395891450;mircea_popescu;http://www.dcg.ethz.ch/contact.html there we go 584530;1395891451;ozbot;Distributed Computing Group 584531;1395891453;*;MisterE scrolls up 584532;1395891474;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00094452 = 6.4227 BTC [-] 584533;1395891478;BingoBoingo;http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/03/26/americans_are_skipping_the_bank_reconsider_that_career_as_a_bank_teller.html 584534;1395891478;ozbot;Americans are skipping the bank: Reconsider that career as a bank teller. 584535;1395891567;moiety;http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/irish-banks-refuse-to-let-bitcoin-firm-open-account-30128988.html 584536;1395891569;ozbot;Irish banks 'refuse to let Bitcoin firm open account' - Independent.ie 584537;1395891609;BingoBoingo;What serious Bitcoin firm would want or need a bank account 584538;1395891632;moiety;thats what i wondred, why are they going to the bank anyways 584539;1395891657;moiety;also last bit is irrelevant but hilarious "mtgox falling victim..." 584540;1395891729;mircea_popescu;anyway, this has all been very exciting but i'll have to bid you all a very good morning. 584541;1395891752;BingoBoingo;lol 584542;1395891778;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.0061 = 0.671 BTC [-] {2} 584543;1395891782;moiety;sleep well mircea_popescu 584544;1395892143;MisterE;later famous dude 584545;1395892190;CheckDavid;How do these exchanges work in terms of the legal framework? 584546;1395892207;BingoBoingo;CheckDavid: Depends on the exchange 584547;1395892210;MisterE;cowboys and indians 584548;1395892219;CheckDavid;Do people actually own equity in the businesses legally? 584549;1395892232;CheckDavid;BingoBoingo: yeah. I assume it does for certain 584550;1395892242;CheckDavid;Can you give some examples? 584551;1395892263;MisterE;MP owns most of the MPEx chares? 584552;1395892266;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00094593 = 8.8444 BTC [+] {2} 584553;1395892267;MisterE;shares* 584554;1395892288;BingoBoingo;Well BTC-TC, Buttfunder, and GLBSE as an example had no legal basis or preparation and collapsed once their thingies touched the legal cunt. 584555;1395892321;CheckDavid;Thingies ? 584556;1395892330;BingoBoingo;MPEx prepared for legal confrontation well in advance and has on Trilema numerous articles detailing their legal prep. 584557;1395892349;CheckDavid;They should have practiced safe sex 584558;1395892374;BingoBoingo;CheckDavid: If you aren't prepared to fuck the cunt, you can't rightfully call it a penis, prick, dick, or any rightly adult term. 584559;1395892401;CheckDavid;I see. 584560;1395892406;CheckDavid;Very poetical 584561;1395892503;CheckDavid;I was thinking about funding a business 584562;1395892516;CheckDavid;A startup 584563;1395892531;CheckDavid;Not sure about the best option 584564;1395892535;punkman;CheckDavid: ninjashogun? 584565;1395892556;CheckDavid;I am not him. But it is related yes 584566;1395892568;punkman;I mean are you gonna fund him 584567;1395892576;BingoBoingo;Related in what way? 584568;1395892595;CheckDavid;No. But I am trying to find a way to. 584569;1395892609;CheckDavid;BingoBoingo: the subject is related 584570;1395892626;CheckDavid;I an talking about the same business as he wad 584571;1395892632;CheckDavid;Was 584572;1395892637;BingoBoingo;I dunno that he ever revealed a subject 584573;1395892657;punkman;"stealth mode" 584574;1395892668;CheckDavid;Not aware of what he discussed here in the past either 584575;1395892730;BingoBoingo;A something, hardware. Nothing more specific. 584576;1395892754;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19103 @ 0.00094619 = 18.0751 BTC [+] {3} 584577;1395892767;CheckDavid;Hardware? It's a web business with no hardware specifics 584578;1395892827;BingoBoingo;Well, he slathered around several ideas 584579;1395892841;CheckDavid;Possible 584580;1395892846;punkman;each worth 49 cents 584581;1395892858;CheckDavid;Well keys not talk about him. I can't represent all his ideas :) 584582;1395892865;CheckDavid;*let's 584583;1395892876;punkman;keys open doors 584584;1395892882;CheckDavid;Lool 584585;1395893201;VanCleef;http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/apps-with-millions-of-google-play-downloads-covertly-mine-cryptocurrency/ 584586;1395893201;ozbot;Apps with millions of Google Play downloads covertly mine cryptocurrency | Ars Technica 584587;1395893305;punkman;is ther a scamcoin optimized for phones yet? 584588;1395893317;punkman;would make sense 584589;1395893454;BingoBoingo;punkman: at some point in the past I played with a crypto that lived on a single nokia phone 584590;1395893692;punkman;BingoBoingo: did that ever have a higher marketcap than litecoin? 584591;1395893741;BingoBoingo;punkman: Well, there was one coin mined and then difficulty adjusted such that a second coin would be impossibru 584592;1395893755;BingoBoingo;punkman: WOuld the cost of the phone count? 584593;1395893778;punkman;I don't see why not 584594;1395893791;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [-] 584595;1395893852;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.60500012 = 3.63 BTC [-] 584596;1395893879;Mats_cd03;some smartphones have a surprising amount of horsepower 584597;1395893913;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00094547 = 4.3964 BTC [-] 584598;1395893920;BingoBoingo;Mats_cd03: Two words on this phone, resistive touchscreen. 584599;1395893938;BingoBoingo;Dunno if this "coin" could have even survived an internet connection 584600;1395893951;Mats_cd03;on the subject of cool phones, i want to buy an oppo phone now 584601;1395893971;punkman;Mats_cd03: the trick would be that only a phone can mine the coin reasonably fast, so you can use your phone botnet to make some easy money 584602;1395894001;punkman;rather than making dogecents 584603;1395894086;Mats_cd03;a clever malware writer would optimize certain scamcoins for mining based on the presence of a gpu 584604;1395894177;BingoBoingo;A clever malware writer could start a phone card bsns based on hijacked phones 584605;1395894472;Mats_cd03;and how would that work 584606;1395895071;Apocalyptic;http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/03/26/cryptorush-support-worker-leaks-inside-info/ 584607;1395895086;Apocalyptic;" : he started by announcing 60% shareholding 584608;1395895086;Apocalyptic;: but he actually owns only 10% 584609;1395895086;Apocalyptic;" 584610;1395895499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63473 @ 0.00094825 = 60.1883 BTC [+] {5} 584611;1395895585;tg2;I have an opengl scrypt implementation, works on gpu in webgl, opengl es 584612;1395895623;tg2;My snapdragon 800 gets like 30kh/s 584613;1395895627;tg2;But gets hot 584614;1395895682;tg2;Would be nice on a rogue app with a lot of install base 584615;1395895704;tg2;Can run it only when phone is plugged in etc 584616;1395895817;Mats_cd03;thats not bad 584617;1395895852;tg2;Working on an x11 Version of it 584618;1395895902;tg2;Cause you could actually mine an x11 coin on a phone cpu/gpu without melting it and get good hashes 584619;1395895926;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.0061 = 0.4026 BTC [-] 584620;1395895936;tg2;Sneaky tg already working on your ideas for 2 months now 584621;1395895961;tg2;If anybody has an app with huge install base lemme know 584622;1395896095;BingoBoingo;tg2: Do you have any ventures that might need a persistent exposure to the core Bitcoin community? 584623;1395896181;tg2;I have many, some are still in lab right now like this one in particular 584624;1395896195;tg2;some are less than ethical and I wouldn't discuss here 584625;1395896270;BingoBoingo;tg2: For a more ethical one you might want to consider http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/21/a-fundraiser-because-this-is-way-to-young-to-have-a-paywall-but-hosting-isnt-free/ 584626;1395896293;tg2;I had an open offer on dogecoin for people to pitch me their ideas and have a few promising projects from that 584627;1395896316;tg2;just registeted truecrypto.com and shopbit.net 584628;1395896332;BingoBoingo;I have trouble connecting the idea of "dogecoin" and "people" 584629;1395896345;tg2;Hah, I can't fault you 584630;1395896367;tg2;I hate dogecoin and I'm one of the top 25 holders of it 584631;1395896372;BingoBoingo;Yeah 584632;1395896384;BingoBoingo;Last year I was in a similar position with Devcoin 584633;1395896398;tg2;You want to hear a sad story 584634;1395896417;BingoBoingo;Sure 584635;1395896420;tg2;I bought diablo 3 gold at launch for Bitcoins 584636;1395896432;BingoBoingo;Damn, already sad 584637;1395896432;tg2;50 bitcoins worth 584638;1395896441;BingoBoingo;Fuckity fuck fuck 584639;1395896451;tg2;30m diablo 3 gold 584640;1395896465;BingoBoingo;And 584641;1395896465;tg2;go do a quick price check on diablo 3 gold 584642;1395896468;tg2;lol 584643;1395896480;BingoBoingo;Fuck 584644;1395896484;assbot;Last 11 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1758620/plain/) 584645;1395896484;BingoBoingo;!b 11 584646;1395896506;tg2;Spoiler, it's not worth 30k 584647;1395896521;VanCleef;anyone log into havelock? 584648;1395896522;punkman;is it $30? 584649;1395896525;tg2;No 584650;1395896542;tg2;It's about $2 for 100m or something 584651;1395896549;tg2;I haven't checked in a while 584652;1395896560;punkman;welcome to Zimbabwe 584653;1395896591;BingoBoingo;I actually last year made a decent trading Eve Isk for S.MPOE and then BTC 584654;1395896594;tg2;Diablo 3 was the game that made me realise I can't recapture the elation I used to have for games 584655;1395896604;tg2;sad on many levels 584656;1395896622;BingoBoingo;I dunno, I'm kind of liking The Stick of Truth 584657;1395896627;tg2;SimCity reaffirmed it 584658;1395896648;Mats_cd03;sim city used to be good? 584659;1395896657;tg2;Oh boy 584660;1395896663;VanCleef;how good is mr slaves ass level 584661;1395896668;tg2;Gonna pretend you didn't say that 584662;1395896686;tg2;Sc2000.exe 584663;1395896698;tg2;Right in the childhood 584664;1395896718;tg2;i386 584665;1395896737;bitcoinpete;;;later tell mircea_popescu: shift return! aha! the learning never stops. ty for the feedback :D 584666;1395896737;gribble;The operation succeeded. 584667;1395896764;BingoBoingo;VanCleef: Not that far yet. My Jew is just Jewing around. 584668;1395896767;tg2;Anyway I'm not even old 584669;1395896795;tg2;Ctrl+backspace 584670;1395896799;BingoBoingo;tg2: What are some BTC ventures you aren't afraid of mentioning? 584671;1395896830;tg2;Not many I suppose 584672;1395896845;tg2;with what intent 584673;1395896864;tg2;I'm sure I'll get to know you guys better 584674;1395896875;Mats_cd03;lol... 584675;1395896890;tg2;I really know nobody here I just heard about this chan 3 times from 3 different people 584676;1395896893;BingoBoingo;tg2: Well with the intent of promoting them. 584677;1395896903;tg2;And they were all surprised I wasn't in it 584678;1395896916;tg2;promoting, PR? 584679;1395896933;tg2;I have my own ad network lol I don't need promotion 584680;1395896935;BingoBoingo;tg2: Really this isn't a channel where your ideas will get scooped unless you explicitly say "hey you guys scoop me on this" 584681;1395896954;tg2;yeah I keep cards close to the chest 584682;1395896962;tg2;good ones anyway 584683;1395896975;tg2;if you hear an idea from my it's my 2-7 off suit 584684;1395897014;xdotcomm_;you guys do scooping here 584685;1395897022;Mats_cd03;what a special snowflake 584686;1395897024;BingoBoingo;xdotcomm_: No, we make news here 584687;1395897039;tg2;SEC news 584688;1395897052;tg2;The good kind, you know 584689;1395897057;BingoBoingo;tg2: Other news well before then 584690;1395897085;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18583 @ 0.00095084 = 17.6695 BTC [+] {3} 584691;1395897089;VanCleef;is there something wrong wtih havelock website atm or is it just me? 584692;1395897107;BingoBoingo;Never really had a need to use it ever VanCleef 584693;1395897111;tg2;It seemed really slow when I was on it earlier and I'm on a very fat pipe 584694;1395897113;xdotcomm_;cryptorush is titsup 584695;1395897130;VanCleef;ok cool thanks 584696;1395897135;VanCleef;yeh wont even load 584697;1395897139;tg2;yeah cryptorush drama. I don't get why we don't have a centralized trust exchange yet 584698;1395897159;VanCleef;what happened to cryptorush, sorry i mised it 584699;1395897206;xdotcomm_;wtf i though u made the new here 584700;1395897212;xdotcomm_;BingoBoingo: u on this or what? 584701;1395897213;BingoBoingo;VanCleef: Run by walmart's finest, ended like an abortus 584702;1395897244;BingoBoingo;xdotcomm_: What sort of news are you expecting? 584703;1395897247;VanCleef;link? 584704;1395897255;VanCleef;to bitcointalk or something 584705;1395897268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23549 @ 0.0009439 = 22.2279 BTC [-] {3} 584706;1395897271;xdotcomm_;VanCleef: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/03/26/cryptorush-support-worker-leaks-inside-info/ 584707;1395897275;VanCleef;thanks 584708;1395897286;xdotcomm_;BingoBoingo: I dunno some supery cyber stuff 584709;1395897336;xdotcomm_;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21ejkh/scam_exchange_cryptorush_implodes_with_epic_drama/ 584710;1395897387;xdotcomm_;u know whats funny i had like 5mil COINYE on cryptorush 584711;1395897433;Apocalyptic;hum, been looking for a coin to add to x-bt that isn't an outright scam 584712;1395897443;Apocalyptic;it's kinda hard to find one so far 584713;1395897446;VanCleef;ok, just another normal week in bitcoin world 584714;1395897461;xdotcomm_;yea only 3 now is BTC / LTC /DOGE all other is toxic trash 584715;1395897468;xdotcomm_;https://chunkhost.com/blog/15/huge_security_hole_in_sendgrid 584716;1395897469;ozbot;Huge Security Hole in Sendgrid – ChunkHost 584717;1395897471;Apocalyptic;xdotcomm_, NMC is legit 584718;1395897475;Apocalyptic;and so is ATC 584719;1395897476;xdotcomm_;yea 584720;1395897484;xdotcomm_;Apocalyptic: i agree on NMC i like the idea 584721;1395897490;xdotcomm_;i wish it would work 584722;1395897493;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2014/robert-keith-cristopher-jr-matt-sartain-kristian-thomson-cryptorush-much-comedy-lulzgoldmine/ 584723;1395897493;ozbot;Robert Keith Cristopher, Jr ; Matt Sartain ; Kristian Thomson ; Cryptorush : much comedy & lulzgoldm 584724;1395897521;Apocalyptic;looks like Primecoin was Sunnyking's first attempt at a coin before he moved to Peercoin & other stuff 584725;1395897538;xdotcomm_;people try to get into sendgrid of a hosting provider to get access to sites hosted 584726;1395897548;xdotcomm_;its going to get alot more complex 584727;1395897563;xdotcomm_;i wish people would stop running exchanges without owning hardware 584728;1395897587;tg2;https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=17948.0 584729;1395897593;tg2;Discourse welcome! 584730;1395897603;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: The thing now called peercoin came first, but it was called PPC at its origin 584731;1395897621;Apocalyptic;BingoBoingo, I see 584732;1395897639;tg2;xdotcomm_ social engineering will always remain my favorite means of hacking 584733;1395897640;xdotcomm_;tg2: ur breeliant 584734;1395897640;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: It was short for PPCoin 584735;1395897659;Apocalyptic;BingoBoingo, do you know if Devcoin is well maintained ? 584736;1395897665;xdotcomm_;tg2: people are easier to hack then code :) 584737;1395897667;moiety;i lasted under two hours before i gave up tonight BingoBoingo this is harder than it used to be lol 584738;1395897682;tg2;Guess you haven't seen the code I've seen lol 584739;1395897694;Apocalyptic;<xdotcomm_> i wish people would stop running exchanges without owning hardware // that's not even the biggest issue 584740;1395897697;BingoBoingo;Apocalyptic: It isn't well at all. Also has past association with scammers like cablepair 584741;1395897711;xdotcomm_;Apocalyptic: not the biggest but one of 584742;1395897713;Apocalyptic;xdotcomm_, these people don't really know what they are doing to begin with 584743;1395897725;Apocalyptic;somehow they got an idea 584744;1395897725;tg2;If you are running your Bitcoin empire on a vps shame on you 584745;1395897732;tg2;you deserve it 584746;1395897743;Apocalyptic;tg2, if on linode your deserve it twice as much ? 584747;1395897761;tg2;Hah, doubly! 584748;1395897771;Apocalyptic;BingoBoingo, I suspected as much 584749;1395897775;xdotcomm_;tg2: seriously ur report is good.. hopefully it will get some good peer reviews 584750;1395897786;tg2;Review on, peers 584751;1395897807;tg2;People get so bent out of shape without understanding manufacturing fundamentals 584752;1395897824;tg2;It's my good deed for the day 584753;1395897849;tg2;Ignorance is bliss unless you have a vested interest lol 584754;1395897875;Apocalyptic;I might be forced to conclude there is just no coin worth adding at this time 584755;1395897888;tg2;Apocalyptic, adding to...? 584756;1395897893;Apocalyptic;x-bt.com 584757;1395897895;Apocalyptic;my exchange 584758;1395897907;tg2;Who pen tested it 584759;1395897918;Apocalyptic;feel free to :) I did 584760;1395897923;tg2;if you're serious about it 584761;1395897940;tg2;I have some serious people that do white hat 584762;1395897940;Apocalyptic;i like to think i have a serious background in infosec 584763;1395897979;xdotcomm_;Apocalyptic: yea whats ur credin? 584764;1395897984;Apocalyptic;tg2, i have no issue if they wish to run some things 584765;1395897984;xdotcomm_;I always ask 584766;1395897989;tg2;Recon.cx boys, but they don't work for free 584767;1395898014;tg2;if there are some bitcoins in there don't worry somebody will pen test it for you 584768;1395898018;tg2;Lol 584769;1395898036;Apocalyptic;<tg2> if there are some bitcoins in there don't worry somebody will pen test it for you // there is a hot wallet 584770;1395898098;Apocalyptic;xdotcomm_, I used to be really into it, did some defcon level CTFs with a team 584771;1395898099;tg2;How is cold storage processing txns 584772;1395898110;Apocalyptic;mainly specialized in crypto and x86 reversing 584773;1395898113;xdotcomm_;Apocalyptic: github? 584774;1395898121;xdotcomm_;web is deifferent beast 584775;1395898128;Apocalyptic;web-based sec is kinda boring 584776;1395898140;xdotcomm_;Apocalyptic: u think that nginx is safe? 584777;1395898154;Apocalyptic;i think it's one of the best webservers 584778;1395898160;Apocalyptic;define safe 584779;1395898163;xdotcomm_;jquery.min.map 584780;1395898163;xdotcomm_;/js 584781;1395898163;xdotcomm_;GET 584782;1395898165;xdotcomm_;404 584783;1395898167;xdotcomm_;Not Found 584784;1395898168;tg2;Nginx has no vulns known 584785;1395898169;xdotcomm_;text/html 584786;1395898171;xdotcomm_;Other 584787;1395898173;xdotcomm_;341 B 584788;1395898175;xdotcomm_;162 B 584789;1395898177;xdotcomm_;526 ms 584790;1395898179;xdotcomm_;524 ms 584791;1395898181;xdotcomm_;524 ms1 ms 584792;1395898184;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0728899 = 1.2391 BTC [-] 584793;1395898185;tg2;Shtap 584794;1395898185;xdotcomm_;missing files? 584795;1395898204;xdotcomm_;Cookie:PHPSESSID=j8i2u3e6khl9g839rl8dgh4u22 584796;1395898216;tg2;I don't think there has been a root vuln on nginx in a while 584797;1395898221;tg2;very mature core 584798;1395898227;xdotcomm_;tg2: that u know of 584799;1395898245;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.10144642 = 0.5072 BTC [-] 584800;1395898257;tg2;Never trust your webserver anyway 584801;1395898265;tg2;it's not a first class citizen 584802;1395898268;tg2;Jail 584803;1395898284;tg2;Make sure web app is coded properly 584804;1395898296;xdotcomm_;dont escape your queries 584805;1395898321;Apocalyptic;<xdotcomm_> jquery.min.map // where do you get this file ? 584806;1395898322;tg2;Lol 584807;1395898332;xdotcomm_;Apocalyptic: ur website it calls it 584808;1395898341;tg2;jquery requests it 584809;1395898347;tg2;grab from Google 584810;1395898354;xdotcomm_;event.returnValue is deprecated. Please use the standard event.preventDefault() instead. jquery.js:3 584811;1395898354;xdotcomm_;Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found) 584812;1395898355;tg2;it's part of the split 584813;1395898366;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-] 584814;1395898367;tg2;when they split jquery min 584815;1395898375;tg2;They put some shit in map 584816;1395898389;xdotcomm_;spits shit in my chrome console 584817;1395898389;tg2;Had the same problem on a bootstrap site 584818;1395898422;tg2;What's the volume on x-bt? 584819;1395898430;Apocalyptic;depends on the market 584820;1395898443;xdotcomm_;Apocalyptic: y u use ovh dns? 584821;1395898444;Apocalyptic;the most active one is ATC/BTC thanks to asseteers here 584822;1395898472;tg2;Chicken and egg huh 584823;1395898474;Apocalyptic;xdotcomm_, cause ovh is where i registered it ? 584824;1395898484;xdotcomm_;sounds safe 584825;1395898488;tg2;Put darkcoin on it 584826;1395898491;Apocalyptic;(and no there is no ovh box in the infra) 584827;1395898513;xdotcomm_;3rd party dns is always good 584828;1395898517;tg2;Ovh failover ip's make me rage so much 584829;1395898529;xdotcomm_;i recommend especially och 584830;1395898532;xdotcomm_;ovh 584831;1395898549;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00094266 = 17.015 BTC [-] 584832;1395898549;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0161 = 0.161 BTC [-] 584833;1395898551;benkay;tg2: centralized trust exchange lolwutf? 584834;1395898551;tg2;but 399/mo for a dual e5v2 10core with 256G of ram is juicy 584835;1395898561;tg2;Decentralized 584836;1395898604;xdotcomm_;yea p2p exchange 584837;1395898608;xdotcomm_;wallet 584838;1395898609;tg2;Why are people retweeting my shit days later 584839;1395898610;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 14 @ 0.01600071 = 0.224 BTC [-] {3} 584840;1395898623;tg2;Learn 2social bros 584841;1395898627;xdotcomm_;tg2: cause ur tweets are classic 584842;1395898677;tg2;They get cooler over time 584843;1395898689;xdotcomm_;like that gospel 584844;1395898728;tg2;I don't even think I'd trust ovh with wallet keys though 584845;1395898732;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.016 = 0.48 BTC [-] 584846;1395898744;benkay;asserting: CheckDavid is ninjashogun 584847;1395898745;Apocalyptic;xdotcomm_, curiously enough the missing js file doesn't seem to prevent the js from running correctly 584848;1395898751;tg2;takes those fucks 2 days to give a new ripe block 584849;1395898771;Apocalyptic;<tg2> I don't even think I'd trust ovh with wallet keys though // probably wise 584850;1395898776;tg2;Smooth assertion 584851;1395898780;Apocalyptic;davout could elaborate on that 584852;1395898794;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05589999 = 0.2795 BTC [+] 584853;1395898809;tg2;Who is that benkay? 584854;1395898821;xdotcomm_;Apocalyptic: just letting u know man.. I dont care either way.. I had an exchange with proper engine coded month ago... dont feel like launching it cause the paranoi is not the state i wanna be in 24/7 584855;1395898826;benkay;xdotcomm_: what is this report you mention? 584856;1395898834;benkay;tg2: before your time. 584857;1395898836;Apocalyptic;xdotcomm_, I know how you feel heh 584858;1395898841;tg2;Enlighten me 584859;1395898849;Apocalyptic;I can assure you my engine is properly coded too 584860;1395898854;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0479 = 0.2395 BTC [+] 584861;1395898860;xdotcomm_;Apocalyptic: how u match trades? 584862;1395898862;xdotcomm_;benkay: report? 584863;1395898875;Apocalyptic;it's been running for almost a year now, with a pause in summer 584864;1395898884;benkay;xdotcomm_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2014&bots=true#584749 584865;1395898886;tg2;Why no volume 584866;1395898897;Apocalyptic;^ ask them alt traders 584867;1395898903;xdotcomm_;benkay: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=17948.0 584868;1395898914;benkay;tg2: pay me. 584869;1395898919;xdotcomm_;haha 584870;1395898919;Apocalyptic;tg2, because they want to flit the new hotest scamcoin available ? 584871;1395898920;xdotcomm_;lol 584872;1395898924;xdotcomm_;its oepn asuce 584873;1395898925;benkay;tg2: or read logs. your call. 584874;1395898939;xdotcomm_;Apocalyptic: i mean what methods u use to match trades 584875;1395898940;tg2;I read them 584876;1395898955;BingoBoingo;For the newer readers, the complete list of Cryptocurrency blogs that matter http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/ 584877;1395898957;xdotcomm_;and if u do it in c? 584878;1395898963;Apocalyptic;tg2, and get funds "stolen" like in coinex, cryptorush, openex and so on.. seems more fun i'm sure 584879;1395898976;xdotcomm_;trojancoins... 584880;1395898977;Apocalyptic;xdotcomm_, what methods ? It matches orders as it should match them 584881;1395898992;xdotcomm_;Apocalyptic: by time placed? 584882;1395899008;Apocalyptic;xdotcomm_, for the same price yes of course 584883;1395899039;Mats_cd03;we need some sort of fee to prevent dummies from typing in here 584884;1395899043;Apocalyptic;it's not time but ID if I recall, cause the time doesn't have enough granularity 584885;1395899060;Mats_cd03;seriously what is going on? "how to match trades with c" 584886;1395899076;xdotcomm_;Mats_cd03: do u even know what ur saying 584887;1395899098;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 169 @ 0.00278995 = 0.4715 BTC [+] 584888;1395899106;Mats_cd03;no apparently im coked to the fucking gills 584889;1395899116;xdotcomm_;Mats_cd03: pass me ur supplier 584890;1395899159;xdotcomm_;for the noobs Mats_cd03 http://www.eurexchange.com/exchange-en/trading/market-model/matching-principles/ 584891;1395899174;xdotcomm_;there is more then one way 584892;1395899191;xdotcomm_;you cant do it properly in php/js 584893;1395899202;benkay;Mats_cd03: just ignore everyone sub 1 in your Wot. 584894;1395899220;xdotcomm_;so either c or c++ would be the best way 584895;1395899225;BingoBoingo;xdotcomm_: What about GNU Guile? 584896;1395899235;xdotcomm_;I do it on my toaster typically 584897;1395899245;xdotcomm_;I trade penut butter for jelly 584898;1395899248;BingoBoingo;Or SBCL? 584899;1395899249;benkay;;;gettrust tg2 584900;1395899249;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user tg2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=tg2 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=tg2 | Rated since: never 584901;1395899261;benkay;haw 584902;1395899268;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust chatquack 584903;1395899269;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user chatquack: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=chatquack | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=chatquack | Rated since: Tue Feb 25 20:04:18 2014 584904;1395899281;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust xdotcomm_ 584905;1395899282;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user xdotcomm_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=xdotcomm_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xdotcomm_ | Rated since: never 584906;1395899289;xdotcomm_;I am level 0 584907;1395899291;xdotcomm_;! 584908;1395899301;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust benkay 584909;1395899301;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user benkay: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013 584910;1395899305;Mats_cd03;i dont have a wot yet benkay 584911;1395899322;tg2;Scrub level trust 584912;1395899340;BingoBoingo;;;gettrust mircea_popescu 584913;1395899340;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 6, Level 2: 11 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011 584914;1395899341;benkay;Mats_cd03: trust is complex and not solely dependent on wot 584915;1395899345;xdotcomm_;BingoBoingo: I trust tg2 how do i vte for him 584916;1395899355;benkay;har socks trusting socks trusting socks 584917;1395899362;benkay;you lurk 584918;1395899364;benkay;contribute 584919;1395899367;xdotcomm_;ok 584920;1395899372;tg2;16156 days 584921;1395899373;benkay;exceed like 6 mos or something 584922;1395899374;tg2;Wat 584923;1395899394;benkay;identity is a function of raters, ratings and duration 584924;1395899398;tg2;That would make me a btc advocate before btc existed 584925;1395899420;benkay;methinks you miss the point. 584926;1395899428;benkay;computers have a hard time with infinity. 584927;1395899429;tg2;Hah ok give me 5 minutes I'll prove beyond a shadow of a doubt 584928;1395899435;benkay;prove what? 584929;1395899440;tg2;I'll pm you 584930;1395899441;benkay;that you can make a gpg key? 584931;1395899446;tg2;No, better 584932;1395899449;tg2;hold on 584933;1395899450;benkay;identity is a journey, not a hurdle. 584934;1395899491;tg2;Hold up lemme get a my sin out 584935;1395899494;benkay;(conj 'list-of-ninjashogun-suspected-socks 'tg2) 584936;1395899540;Apocalyptic;dem socks 584937;1395899541;benkay;i'm halfway expecting a satoshi hoard signature at this point, but that'd be too good. 584938;1395899546;Apocalyptic;haha 584939;1395899573;benkay;a vanity address from back in the day? 584940;1395899597;BingoBoingo;benkay: All to likely twist, Satoshi never mined to addresses he held private keys to 584941;1395899620;benkay;nigga please satoshi threw those keys away long ago 584942;1395899629;benkay;only way to ensure success 584943;1395899644;benkay;brother's way more interested in success than personal wealth 584944;1395899655;benkay;success = some crazy fn 584945;1395899663;BingoBoingo;;;google the drinking record barrel fire 584946;1395899663;gribble;Fire Hydrant Operation and Inspection - Acrp.com: <https://www.acrp.com/downloads/dso4.pdf>; Fire hydrant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_hydrant>; Lammers Barrel Factory - US Environmental Protection Agency: <http://www.epa.gov/region5/superfund/npl/ohio/OHD981537582.html> 584947;1395899670;BingoBoingo;I am disapoint 584948;1395899673;benkay;dorp 584949;1395899683;benkay;that's what you get for relying on teh gewgs 584950;1395899699;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/14/a-proper-barrel-fire-a-secure-way-to-dispose-of-data-storage/ 584951;1395899700;ozbot;A Proper Barrel Fire: A secure way to dispose of data storage | Bingo Blog 584952;1395899720;BingoBoingo;Prolly the post I am proudest of 584953;1395900000;xdotcomm_;where dem satoshi codes 584954;1395900138;tg2;inb4 satoshi sig 584955;1395900191;benkay;tg2: please dox yourself. 584956;1395900216;benkay;xdotcomm_: please dox yourself. 584957;1395900287;xdotcomm_;benkay: dox? 584958;1395900293;benkay;;;ud dox 584959;1395900294;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dox | Dox, or being doxed, in terms of online forum sites, is the physical equivalent of being butt-raped irl. Just as all the greats have, when a person is "doxed", ... 584960;1395900294;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: dox 584961;1395900300;benkay;don't make me google for you. 584962;1395900305;tg2;google on good sir 584963;1395900310;tg2;gewg it up 584964;1395900371;tg2;ain't nobody bending over backwards in here to prove who they are or aren't 584965;1395900374;benkay;was that intended to be from xdotcomm_, tg2? 584966;1395900379;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00095035 = 18.9595 BTC [+] {2} 584967;1395900381;tg2;take it for what it's worth 584968;1395900396;benkay;the vast majority of us are trivially doxxable. 584969;1395900405;tg2;dox on 584970;1395900413;benkay;no, that's not the point. 584971;1395900423;benkay;the point is confirming that this isn't a sustained social engineering attack. 584972;1395900431;xdotcomm_;lol 584973;1395900437;xdotcomm_;on what? 584974;1395900439;tg2;ok hold the phone 584975;1395900441;tg2;haha 584976;1395900445;tg2;i want to hear what this is we're attacking 584977;1395900448;tg2;lemme get some popcorn 584978;1395900459;BingoBoingo;;;ident 584979;1395900460;xdotcomm_;i am going to watch bearing sea gold 584980;1395900460;gribble;Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None 584981;1395900469;tg2;lol 584982;1395900472;tg2;watch underice one 584983;1395900473;tg2;its good 584984;1395900473;BingoBoingo;;;ident tg2 584985;1395900474;gribble;Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is not identified. 584986;1395900481;tg2;that ip is my netrange 584987;1395900484;BingoBoingo;;;ident xdotcomm_ 584988;1395900485;gribble;Nick 'xdotcomm_', with hostmask 'xdotcomm_!~xdotcomme@bas1-montreal51-1167905977.dsl.bell.ca', is not identified. 584989;1395900490;tg2;you'll see that it is in montreal 584990;1395900494;xdotcomm_;not really hiding 584991;1395900500;xdotcomm_;bell dsl 584992;1395900506;BingoBoingo;;;ident benkay 584993;1395900506;gribble;Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~user@67-5-243-186.ptld.qwest.net', is not identified. 584994;1395900507;tg2;super bell dsl proxies 584995;1395900522;benkay;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:86dbd1c410f4c909038fe2522989ebb330ba68bb7ead5be28b8a1eab 584996;1395900523;gribble;You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7 584997;1395900524;Apocalyptic;xdotcomm_, was that you that got banned from -dev some days ago because you were trying to build a dogecoin explorer and wanted to know how to get the "FROM address" ? 584998;1395900536;xdotcomm_;Apocalyptic: :) 584999;1395900537;tg2;bustedddd 585000;1395900544;xdotcomm_;he got me 585001;1395900544;tg2;you ended up getting it to work tho right 585002;1395900546;benkay;this is how this works 585003;1395900548;benkay;you either wot 585004;1395900550;benkay;or you walk 585005;1395900558;xdotcomm_;I am the doge guy i admit 585006;1395900563;BingoBoingo;;;rated benkay 585007;1395900563;gribble;You rated user benkay on Wed Mar 5 02:09:53 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Good at things he does. 585008;1395900564;xdotcomm_;we come here to promote doge 585009;1395900568;Apocalyptic;I have a particulary good memory for nicks 585010;1395900573;benkay;;;rated BingoBoingo 585011;1395900573;gribble;You rated user BingoBoingo on Tue Mar 4 02:06:59 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: good sport wot wot. 585012;1395900576;xdotcomm_;Makes sense 585013;1395900582;xdotcomm_;the dox system 585014;1395900585;xdotcomm_;let me know 585015;1395900585;benkay;;;rated mircea_popescu 585016;1395900585;gribble;You rated user mircea_popescu on Mon Mar 3 02:50:38 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: None. 585017;1395900592;tg2;lemme just upload my passprot 585018;1395900592;xdotcomm_;Not hiding 585019;1395900595;benkay;;;gettrust mircea_popescu 585020;1395900595;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011 585021;1395900595;tg2;lez do it 585022;1395900606;BingoBoingo;;;rated mircea_popescu 585023;1395900606;gribble;You rated user mircea_popescu on Wed Mar 5 02:09:07 2014, with a rating of 6, and supplied these additional notes: Rating upgraded for continued excellence in Bitcoin ventures. 585024;1395900616;xdotcomm_;mtgox has my recent copy.. so does everyone else I get 585025;1395900619;BingoBoingo;;;rated asciilifeform 585026;1395900620;gribble;You rated user asciilifeform on Sun Nov 24 22:09:43 2013, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Making computing sane. 585027;1395900621;benkay;;;gettrust xdotcomm_ 585028;1395900621;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user xdotcomm_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=xdotcomm_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xdotcomm_ | Rated since: never 585029;1395900622;tg2;lol 585030;1395900629;benkay;;;gettrust tg2 585031;1395900629;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user tg2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=tg2 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=tg2 | Rated since: never 585032;1395900633;tg2;so you want us to wot up 585033;1395900643;benkay;us! 585034;1395900644;xdotcomm_;is there a how to on this? 585035;1395900648;benkay;what is this us? 585036;1395900650;Apocalyptic;<xdotcomm_> mtgox has my recent copy.. so does everyone else I get // a fair assumption 585037;1395900655;tg2;i know xdotcomm_ 585038;1395900661;tg2;we're both active in crypto 585039;1395900670;benkay;a bold claim for unregistered handles. 585040;1395900679;tg2;I'm reg'd on freenode 585041;1395900681;xdotcomm_;there is crypto outside of bitcoin 585042;1395900690;benkay;yeah but this is bitcoin. 585043;1395900692;benkay;(sparta) 585044;1395900693;xdotcomm_;i am reged on freenode too 585045;1395900695;benkay;(bitcoin) 585046;1395900698;benkay;so am i 585047;1395900699;xdotcomm_;benkay: we come with gifts 585048;1395900701;benkay;big f'n whoop 585049;1395900703;tg2;so you just want us to reg on WOT? 585050;1395900708;Apocalyptic;tg2, so you're a doge promoter too ? 585051;1395900709;tg2;i don't see what that will achieve 585052;1395900714;benkay;no, you build an identity. 585053;1395900716;BingoBoingo;xdotcomm_: Well, did you do RSA? ECC? 585054;1395900721;benkay;there's about a light year of difference. 585055;1395900735;xdotcomm_;i do mostly brick and mortar security 585056;1395900741;tg2;ok I just dont' see why registering on WOT and vouching for eachotehr does anything if there is no trust to begin with 585057;1395900748;tg2;is that not the point of WOT? 585058;1395900748;benkay;precisely. 585059;1395900758;xdotcomm_;I dont mind WOT tbh 585060;1395900759;benkay;this doesn't change overnight. 585061;1395900765;tg2;I'll WOT Up 585062;1395900767;xdotcomm_;is there a how to? 585063;1395900770;benkay;;;help 585064;1395900770;gribble;The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ 585065;1395900771;tg2;I'll wot you so hard 585066;1395900772;Apocalyptic;Bingo has one 585067;1395900781;tg2;gonna wot this bitch up so hard 585068;1395900782;benkay;;;gpg 585069;1395900782;gribble;Error: "gpg" is not a valid command. 585070;1395900792;tg2;yall gonna be in my WOT in no time 585071;1395900808;benkay;great 585072;1395900812;benkay;welcome to the club 585073;1395900828;BingoBoingo;;;google Bingo Blog GPG guide 585074;1395900828;gribble;PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/>; PGP Public Key | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgp/> 585075;1395900862;xdotcomm_;!help 585076;1395900862;assbot;List of commands: 585077;1395900863;assbot;!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} 585078;1395900864;assbot;!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} 585079;1395900865;assbot;!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) 585080;1395900866;assbot;!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} 585081;1395900867;assbot;!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} 585082;1395900868;assbot;!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com) 585083;1395900869;assbot;!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b} 585084;1395900870;assbot;!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} 585085;1395900891;tg2;can I just use my email pgp that I already have? 585086;1395900895;tg2;or beter to reg a new one just for this? 585087;1395900897;tg2;or does it matter 585088;1395900912;benkay;all things worthy of consideration 585089;1395900921;benkay;tanstaafl 585090;1395900932;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00095022 = 3.9909 BTC [-] 585091;1395900951;Apocalyptic;you can use whatever gpg key you have a private key for 585092;1395900954;xdotcomm_;ill doo this tomorow .. to seems complicated 585093;1395900978;BingoBoingo;;;lasers 585094;1395900978;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 585095;1395900980;xdotcomm_;there is no short guide etc 585096;1395900983;tg2;is this necessary for anything? 585097;1395900989;benkay;only relevance, tg2. 585098;1395900991;xdotcomm_;to establish rappor 585099;1395900994;tg2;tbh trust is gained over time without pgp keys 585100;1395901002;BingoBoingo;tg2: If you have to ask you can't afford it. 585101;1395901005;xdotcomm_;so they dont think ur trolling them 585102;1395901012;tg2;shall we sport our pgp keys sir 585103;1395901019;Apocalyptic;http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication 585104;1395901021;ozbot;GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki 585105;1395901024;Mats_cd03;what a pair of cuties 585106;1395901042;tg2;if you guys only knew the half of what we do in crypto lol 585107;1395901046;Mats_cd03;do you have matching haircuts too 585108;1395901061;xdotcomm_;Mats_cd03: are u the resident troll? 585109;1395901063;tg2;i feel like a kid in a new school who has to proove that he's cool 585110;1395901068;tg2;this is great 585111;1395901074;tg2;I haven't felt this way in a long time 585112;1395901084;xdotcomm_;Mats_cd03: dont worry I wont take your spot 585113;1395901089;tg2;lol 585114;1395901109;bitcoinpete;are you boys on osx or windoze? 585115;1395901109;tg2;good thought experiment though, how can two people prove they are in fact different people! 585116;1395901112;tg2;skype 3 way call? 585117;1395901125;tg2;hard to impersonate 2 different people simultaneously! 585118;1395901139;xdotcomm_;bitcoinpete: i am on my 3d printer 585119;1395901157;BingoBoingo;tg2: Each of you writes a secret string on your taint and uploads pics 585120;1395901158;benkay;the operating theory is that there are two warm bodies behind this. 585121;1395901163;xdotcomm_;this is going to happen ... alts are falling we going back to the basics 585122;1395901163;tg2;there are 585123;1395901170;tg2;I don't see what we're being accused of yet 585124;1395901177;xdotcomm_;get used it ... more noobs are coming 585125;1395901179;Mats_cd03;tg2: actually i am benkay BingoBoingo bitcoinpete and Apocalyptic 585126;1395901180;tg2;other than being friends IRL and being in this chan and both having projects in crypto 585127;1395901187;Mats_cd03;its sockpuppets all the way up, sucka 585128;1395901195;tg2;fuck props for being able to juggle that ;D 585129;1395901196;BingoBoingo;;;ident Mats_cd03 585130;1395901196;gribble;Nick 'Mats_cd03', with hostmask 'Mats_cd03!sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uxnesrpwcnqmyhiq', is not identified. 585131;1395901203;tg2;there are 2 people in here 585132;1395901204;tg2;lol 585133;1395901204;BingoBoingo;Mats_cd03: Seems you arent 585134;1395901208;tg2;just a huge myriad of conversations 585135;1395901212;Apocalyptic;<xdotcomm_> get used it ... more noobs are coming // can't wait 585136;1395901214;tg2;I'd be impressed 585137;1395901247;Mats_cd03;its not that youre new, or that you have to be cool 585138;1395901252;tg2;what else is there to do when you have an IQ of 180 other than sock puppet with yourself 585139;1395901254;xdotcomm_;Apocalyptic: u seem chill we actually did productive stuff 585140;1395901254;tg2;amirite 585141;1395901257;Mats_cd03;youre boring 585142;1395901268;Apocalyptic;not denying you did 585143;1395901307;xdotcomm_;I am on the crypto grind 24/7 making blockchain explorers while getting head in blockchain explorers 585144;1395901325;xdotcomm_;and for reals I am super easy to find verify.. I live a public life 585145;1395901325;bitcoinpete;i like how there's this whole "why wot, why pgp" when i just wrote a fucking article on it 3 hours ago 585146;1395901328;tg2;just not on block-explorer cause that shit is slow ass fuck 585147;1395901349;tg2;bitcoinpete, link? 585148;1395901351;benkay;xdotcomm_: so dox yourself - what's so hard?! 585149;1395901359;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28746 @ 0.00094175 = 27.0715 BTC [-] {3} 585150;1395901362;benkay;do you need me to go first? 585151;1395901364;tg2;what will doxing get? 585152;1395901375;Apocalyptic;a cookie 585153;1395901377;tg2;approval from internet strangers 585154;1395901379;tg2;shit sign me up 585155;1395901382;tg2;vying so hard 585156;1395901400;benkay;either you don't get it or you're trolling hard 585157;1395901412;bitcoinpete;tg2: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2014#584236 585158;1395901418;benkay;but an amelioration of the suspicion that you're a ninjashogun alt 585159;1395901474;bitcoinpete;tg2: if you don't need internet strangers and the feeling is mutual, there's really no need 585160;1395901481;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Consider this an oral defense 585161;1395901496;tg2;well, sadly, xdotcomm_ is the only one that can vouch that I'm not him haha 585162;1395901507;tg2;and well, ninjashogun himself 585163;1395901508;benkay;an utterly unremarkable claim. 585164;1395901522;tg2;yeah, ubt again, I don't really have much motivation to prove otherwise 585165;1395901524;benkay;from utterly untrustworthy handles. 585166;1395901525;Apocalyptic;tg2, so you know the ninja guy IRL too ? 585167;1395901526;tg2;so I guess that's that 585168;1395901533;tg2;define IRL 585169;1395901536;BingoBoingo;tg2: You can each write a unique message with a sharpie on your cheeks stick in in your pooper and post pics 585170;1395901539;tg2;i have chatted with him on skype 585171;1395901544;BingoBoingo;Time honored alternative to GPG 585172;1395901544;tg2;and spoken to him on skype 585173;1395901556;tg2;BingoBoingo, sharpie in pooper 585174;1395901558;tg2;legit ident 585175;1395901560;tg2;haha 585176;1395901561;bitcoinpete;bingoboingo: lol priceless 585177;1395901561;BingoBoingo;Yeah 585178;1395901569;Apocalyptic;it actually happened 585179;1395901569;tg2;x might be down 585180;1395901571;tg2;careful with that fuck 585181;1395901573;BingoBoingo;It happesn all the time here 585182;1395901584;tg2;yeah this is /b/ and we're summerfags 585183;1395901587;tg2;lemme just go grab my sharpie 585184;1395901589;tg2;and get right back 585185;1395901600;benkay;springfags, but right idea. 585186;1395901601;BingoBoingo;tg2: he grabs his as well 585187;1395901617;BingoBoingo;;;google really buttcoins nao 585188;1395901618;gribble;They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/perfect-money-corrupts-absolutely/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/> 585189;1395901623;xdotcomm_;do i just need past my linked in page? 585190;1395901628;xdotcomm_;fuck 585191;1395901629;benkay;;;ident bitcoinpete 585192;1395901629;gribble;Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified. 585193;1395901634;tg2;anyway, I guess the end result is that I'm fine if you think I'm someobdy I'm not, that is really up to you and no amount of unaged, unverified pgp can change that 585194;1395901634;Mats_cd03;have you considered that these two are minors and we're all about to be complicit in child pornography? 585195;1395901640;xdotcomm_;had to much vodka today 585196;1395901642;tg2;so I guess I'll just reenforce it alternatively 585197;1395901650;xdotcomm_;We are not miners 585198;1395901652;bitcoinpete;;;everify bitcoinpete 585199;1395901652;gribble;Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one. 585200;1395901656;xdotcomm_;oh wait we do mine 585201;1395901665;xdotcomm_;u still mine tg? 585202;1395901673;tg2;400mh says I do 585203;1395901680;xdotcomm_;damn 585204;1395901680;tg2;my hydro bill says I do 585205;1395901689;tg2;my darkcion wallet says I do 585206;1395901691;tg2;so yeah 585207;1395901693;tg2;guilty 585208;1395901700;bitcoinpete;;;gpg eauth bitcoinpete 585209;1395901701;gribble;Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/165749929F9A6BDD 585210;1395901718;benkay;see tg2 xdotcomm_? it's not hard. 585211;1395901721;xdotcomm_;do they just want my linkedin or what the fuck is this dox? 585212;1395901725;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 585213;1395901726;tg2;lol 585214;1395901736;tg2;I donno, honestly the level of tinfoil hattery in here is beyond comprehension 585215;1395901736;benkay;it's called an immune system. 585216;1395901737;bitcoinpete;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9654ce03645baa8e57db4260daa60d895ce8ac0a08f399eece104276 585217;1395901738;gribble;You are now authenticated for user bitcoinpete with key 165749929F9A6BDD 585218;1395901753;benkay;it's not a hard bar to cross 585219;1395901755;tg2;isn't this why we have nickserv ;\ 585220;1395901760;benkay;your reluctance is highly suspicious 585221;1395901761;xdotcomm_;are we applying for bitcoin credit cards? 585222;1395901774;xdotcomm_;benkay: dude like can u go step by step? 585223;1395901776;benkay;bitcoinpete got loans with a simple ;;ident 585224;1395901776;tg2;I just don't see the point, but i guess if you want to see a pgp key that I just gneerated 585225;1395901783;tg2;and if that will somehow make you at ease 585226;1395901785;tg2;lol 585227;1395901794;benkay;still, sadly missing the point. 585228;1395901797;bitcoinpete;;;ident bitcoinpete 585229;1395901797;gribble;Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is identified as user 'bitcoinpete', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None 585230;1395901819;benkay;identity being f(raters, ratings, duration) 585231;1395901825;tg2;yes 585232;1395901826;xdotcomm_;I kind of get it but i am to drunk to figure ouot this shit now 585233;1395901826;benkay;y'all ain't getting anywhere on your first noisy night here. 585234;1395901837;xdotcomm_;true 585235;1395901838;benkay;xdotcomm_: you sound just like ughlol! 585236;1395901845;BingoBoingo;xdotcomm_: You aren't applying for credit even, you are applying for citizenry 585237;1395901847;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 548 @ 0.00094464 = 0.5177 BTC [+] 585238;1395901849;benkay;such conciliatory. 585239;1395901851;benkay;wow 585240;1395901857;tg2;hahaha, man i'm gonna pgp up just to shut you guys up 585241;1395901858;xdotcomm_;can i come back tommorow 585242;1395901860;tg2;this is fucking hillariosu 585243;1395901871;bitcoinpete;xdotcomm_ linkedin? srly? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2014#581562 585244;1395901871;benkay;no permaban 585245;1395901894;BingoBoingo;Seriously though, compliance isn't that hard for others i.imgur.com/yQ52mP7.jpg and i.imgur.com/o08heoV.jpg 585246;1395901898;tg2;lemme koolaid this php up 585247;1395901948;benkay;don't forget the === i'm serious bro operator 585248;1395901948;bitcoinpete;benkey: ughlol^2 585249;1395901962;BingoBoingo;benkay: ==== 585250;1395901967;BingoBoingo;!===== 585251;1395901969;benkay;======= 585252;1395902003;tg2;binary safe 585253;1395902024;benkay;;;google bitcoin electoral 585254;1395902025;gribble;Betting with bitcoin: Site lets Americans gamble on elections, sports ...: <http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/02/18/bitcoin-only-site-lets-americans-bet-on-elections-sports/>; Could Bitcoin affect the 2014 midterm elections? | The Daily Dot: <http://www.dailydot.com/politics/bitcoin-political-donations-2014-midterm-elections/>; Bitcoin Betting for Elections and More - Coinreport: (1 more message) 585255;1395902036;benkay;;;google bitcoin election trilema 585256;1395902037;gribble;Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>; Wikileaks - CCXXXII pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/wikileaks-ccxxxii>; Bitcoins, Dollars and Renminbi | Zero Hedge: <http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-11-21/bitcoin-dollars-and-renminb> 585257;1395902067;xdotcomm_;benkay: not acting like a bro 585258;1395902074;benkay;xdotcomm_: http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-as-replacement-for-the-electoral-system/ 585259;1395902077;benkay;there you go 585260;1395902091;benkay;you want to bitch about 'freedom' and 'not being a bitch'? 585261;1395902094;Mats_cd03;fucking BingoBoingo 585262;1395902096;benkay;do like 6 months of reading. 585263;1395902107;Mats_cd03;first photo was meh, didnt anticipate hairy butthole with the second 585264;1395902129;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: damn, those are some fucking buttcoins 585265;1395902140;BingoBoingo;Mats_cd03: Maybe I overpaid, but I resolved a sockpuppet situation in the past 585266;1395902169;BingoBoingo;This is really the only non-GPG to almost establish separate identities 585267;1395902187;benkay;either gpg, or sharpie in the pooper. 585268;1395902201;bitcoinpete;yeshiva, sabbatical, whateverthefuck: 6 months minimum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ekqsHP9Sck 585269;1395902209;Mats_cd03;was there some sort of condition involving an i dotted with a heart, and a sharpie? 585270;1395902221;BingoBoingo;Mats_cd03: Prolly 585271;1395902254;BingoBoingo;I was spreading the wealth from this win http://bitbet.us/bet/113/bitbet-will-we-worth-more-than-satoshi-dice/ 585272;1395902259;MisterE;how to randomize MAC addy of a Mac at reboot? 585273;1395902295;tg2;fk sakes, tg2 is too short for pgp name 585274;1395902330;benkay;some deep crypto asspert. 585275;1395902335;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: nice takedown 585276;1395902347;Mats_cd03;with a script maybe MisterE 585277;1395902371;MisterE;yea found it 585278;1395902378;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Putting a bet on that was one of my earliest in chan actions here 585279;1395902381;MisterE;http://osxdaily.com/2008/01/17/how-to-spoof-your-mac-address-in-mac-os-x/ 585280;1395902381;ozbot;How to Spoof your MAC address in Mac OS X 585281;1395902409;bitcoinpete;tg2: don't shorten it, use the full TiredGoat2 585282;1395902416;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: I liked bitbet and found dice boring so when dared by kakobrekla I put 1 BTC on yes 585283;1395902417;Apocalyptic;haha 585284;1395902457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16252 @ 0.00094915 = 15.4256 BTC [+] 585285;1395902493;BingoBoingo;I dun really understand what is so hard about using the Buttcoin protocol to establish unique warm bodies behind nicks 585286;1395902523;bitcoinpete;BingoBoingo: solid. i bet on both sides of a couple recently. first go 585287;1395902526;BingoBoingo;Prolly could defeat it by outsourcing to fiver even 585288;1395902544;bitcoinpete;it's all about the protocol 585289;1395902567;bitcoinpete;we can have smart contracts that self-insert sharpies 585290;1395902592;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: Sounds like ethereum bullshit 585291;1395902614;benkay;BingoBoingo gets it 585292;1395902618;bitcoinpete;and decentralized exchanges that sell buttcoin options 585293;1395902630;benkay;i'd like to buy a put buttcoin option please 585294;1395902648;Mats_cd03;is ethereum the new ripple hotness? 585295;1395902662;benkay;ethereum: the open buttcorn exchange 585296;1395902663;bitcoinpete;benkay: we have a 2 for 1 deal on at the moment, how many can i put you down for? 585297;1395902670;Apocalyptic;kinda Mats_cd03 585298;1395902700;tg2;> Ticker queries bitcoin pricing based on mtgox.com's history. 585299;1395902702;tg2;ahan 585300;1395902716;bitcoinpete;which is the new OT afaik 585301;1395902721;benkay;i'll buy an option to put one sharpie in the poopers of tg2 and xdotcomm_ each or 1 option to put 2 sharpies in either of their poopers 585302;1395902730;bitcoinpete;haha 585303;1395902767;benkay;you are free of course to sell them the call options balancing 585304;1395902795;bitcoinpete;that's basically just the ink in their buttpens 585305;1395902817;BingoBoingo;To make this market more interesting and establish some serious I will take 1 Sharpie in my pooper for 2.5 BTC 585306;1395902821;MisterE;BingoBoingo: tg2: You can each write a unique message with a sharpie on your cheeks stick in in your pooper and post pics // Finally a succinct explanation of 2-factor auth! 585307;1395902825;bitcoinpete;reloadable cartridges. 585308;1395902825;benkay;we have a taker! 585309;1395902849;MisterE;no giving feels better 585310;1395902858;benkay;BingoBoingo is selling puts at 2.5 for 1 sharpie in 1 pooper 585311;1395902869;bitcoinpete;MisterE: let's see nic cary give that one away! 585312;1395902882;benkay;given put call parity we should expect to see 5 B for 2 sharpies in 1 pooper 585313;1395902908;benkay;or rather we'd want to see someone willing to put down 5B for 2 sharpies in 1 pooper 585314;1395902945;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.04856922 = 0.6314 BTC [+] {5} 585315;1395902946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05440012 = 0.1088 BTC [+] 585316;1395902958;bitcoinpete;c'mon, loosen up those pursestrings people! 585317;1395902981;benkay;poopstrings 585318;1395902988;bitcoinpete;heh 585319;1395902991;MisterE;the relationship of BTC to Sharpies is logarithmic 585320;1395903023;benkay;;;ident tg2 585321;1395903023;gribble;Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is not identified. 585322;1395903032;BingoBoingo;;;ident 585323;1395903032;gribble;Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None 585324;1395903067;MisterE;no -otc for you eh? 585325;1395903101;benkay;;;ident MisterE 585326;1395903101;gribble;Nick 'MisterE', with hostmask 'MisterE!~MisterE@unaffiliated/mistere', is not identified. 585327;1395903113;benkay;oooooooooooh 585328;1395903140;MisterE;:p 585329;1395903146;MisterE;;;auth 585330;1395903147;gribble;(auth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes. 585331;1395903158;MisterE;been a while :p 585332;1395903168;MisterE;;;eauth mistere 585333;1395903169;gribble;Request successful for user mistere, hostmask MisterE!~MisterE@unaffiliated/mistere. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/C97817F2EE7504A3 585334;1395903206;benkay;tg2: you see this? 585335;1395903213;benkay;this is what we call a shibboleth. 585336;1395903219;benkay;that with which you are unable to penetrate the sanctum. 585337;1395903225;benkay;without* which 585338;1395903301;BingoBoingo;To keep things interesting I would take one sharpie and my favorite cross pen in my worst parts for 2.75 BTC 585339;1395903311;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 27 @ 0.00452997 = 0.1223 BTC [+] 585340;1395903331;bitcoinpete;i wonder how much assbot would do it for 585341;1395903345;BingoBoingo;;;assbot insert sharpie 585342;1395903345;gribble;Error: "assbot" is not a valid command. 585343;1395903351;BingoBoingo;;;insert 585344;1395903351;gribble;Error: I can't change the topic, I'm not opped and #bitcoin-assets is +t. 585345;1395903357;bitcoinpete;lol 585346;1395903366;bitcoinpete;we need to change that 585347;1395903414;BingoBoingo;tg2: The moral of the story is that with WoT you can make and accept offers 585348;1395903427;BingoBoingo;Your authenticated word being as good as a contract. 585349;1395903434;MisterE;^ 585350;1395903475;BingoBoingo;With out it, you just are only as much better than noise as you can create arguments, but you still lack the ability to affirm any comittments 585351;1395903489;bitcoinpete;smart contract require smart people not smart machines 585352;1395903508;bitcoinpete;contracts* 585353;1395903512;xdotcomm_;I run alot of porn sites 585354;1395903516;tg2;I get the concept 585355;1395903521;bitcoinpete;this isn't ethereum 585356;1395903553;tg2;I just didn't see how this would immediately satisfy benkay's accusation 585357;1395903563;tg2;which it still doesn't :0 585358;1395903564;benkay;only time will do that. 585359;1395903567;tg2;anyway 585360;1395903573;tg2;I'm submitting it now to the registry 585361;1395903576;benkay;and not acting like ninjashogun. 585362;1395903577;tg2;my old pgp was expired 585363;1395903583;BingoBoingo;tg2: Well for you it doesn't quite, not in the way Buttcoins do 585364;1395903584;benkay;much crypto. 585365;1395903585;xdotcomm_;i catch tg on my gay sites all the time 585366;1395903613;tg2;I only watch them cause I like to see porn with you in it 585367;1395903615;xdotcomm_;tg2: i actually revealed my info 585368;1395903623;tg2;where 585369;1395903631;xdotcomm_;in private message 585370;1395903634;xdotcomm_;i dont care 585371;1395903637;tg2;what info 585372;1395903639;xdotcomm_;not hard to find me 585373;1395903640;tg2;you are me 585374;1395903644;tg2;member 585375;1395903645;xdotcomm_;lol just myself 585376;1395903648;tg2;:D 585377;1395903656;tg2;ok so if we're both socks, then that should identify both of us, right? 585378;1395903658;tg2;;) 585379;1395903664;benkay;gents the accusation was "two warm bodies" 585380;1395903664;xdotcomm_;ur info is not mine to reveal 585381;1395903666;bitcoinpete;oh my sides 585382;1395903668;tg2;you still have to post sharpie in wife's ass 585383;1395903669;tg2;I'll do the same 585384;1395903679;xdotcomm_;keeping family out of this 585385;1395903683;tg2;come on 585386;1395903686;tg2;we'll swap 585387;1395903689;xdotcomm_;seriously 585388;1395903689;bitcoinpete;tg2 you have a wife? 585389;1395903693;tg2;almost 30 585390;1395903697;tg2;time to get into wife swapping 585391;1395903708;tg2;bitcoinpete - only one, yes 585392;1395903719;tg2;this nigga over here tkaing notes 585393;1395903720;tg2;lol 585394;1395903736;MisterE;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:64cc01d806a3a90a79e37d07c938af251d0e6c9bd6c0f087a087a67d 585395;1395903737;bitcoinpete;tg2: that's kinda below average here 585396;1395903738;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05589706 = 0.2795 BTC [+] {3} 585397;1395903740;gribble;You are now authenticated for user MisterE with key C97817F2EE7504A3 585398;1395903755;tg2;is having a wife a luxury not afforded to the bitcoin elite? 585399;1395903764;tg2;chicks dig crypto 585400;1395903777;tg2;bitches can't get enough of my doge coins 585401;1395903777;MisterE;I've done the time but not the crime 585402;1395903784;BingoBoingo;Well, generally the singular is undershooting things by MP standards 585403;1395903785;benkay;some of us have wives 585404;1395903794;benkay;some of us have more than one partner 585405;1395903800;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05588793 = 0.1118 BTC [-] {2} 585406;1395903801;tg2;>partner 585407;1395903801;benkay;some of us are foreveralone 585408;1395903804;xdotcomm_;some of us are gay 585409;1395903804;tg2;amgibuity 585410;1395903807;tg2;detected 585411;1395903809;xdotcomm_;or trans 585412;1395903819;tg2;some of us have a realdoll 585413;1395903821;MisterE;some have a wife and also a "small wife" 585414;1395903825;xdotcomm_;transcending into the blockchain 585415;1395903826;bitcoinpete;tg2: i'm sure your bitches love taking cruises in your doge-nascar-impala 585416;1395903827;tg2;I have kids 585417;1395903834;tg2;and a wife 585418;1395903836;MisterE;no kids here 585419;1395903839;tg2;its terrible 585420;1395903845;tg2;this chat is publicly logged 585421;1395903845;MisterE;I can only imagine 585422;1395903847;tg2;and I say that openly 585423;1395903850;MisterE;yes 585424;1395903858;MisterE;forever attributable to you 585425;1395903860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05589986 = 0.1118 BTC [+] 585426;1395903862;tg2;and nobody can reproach me for it 585427;1395903866;MisterE;heh 585428;1395903874;bitcoinpete;MisterE: not until tg2 is in the wot lol 585429;1395903876;tg2;its ok nobody can prove its me... *submits pgp key* 585430;1395903882;tg2;lol 585431;1395903888;MisterE;hehe 585432;1395903909;tg2;shit the only sharpie I have is one of those big commercial ones 585433;1395903911;tg2;wat do 585434;1395903920;tg2;gribble pls 585435;1395903921;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05589963 = 0.1118 BTC [-] 585436;1395903936;bitcoinpete;tg2 work your way up 585437;1395903949;tg2;your nick is really familliar bitcoinpete 585438;1395903958;MisterE;;;later tell tg2 to start with the small end... 585439;1395903958;gribble;The operation succeeded. 585440;1395903982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05589495 = 0.1677 BTC [-] {2} 585441;1395903984;xdotcomm_;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina 585442;1395903984;ozbot;Dedovshchina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 585443;1395903991;benkay;take it slow, tg2 585444;1395903999;tg2;do I take the cap off 585445;1395904000;bitcoinpete;tg2: yup 585446;1395904011;benkay;kids don't do anal 'cause they don't got the patience. 585447;1395904030;xdotcomm_;Dedovshchina involves a spectrum of subordinating or humiliating activities performed by the junior ranks: from carrying out chores of the senior ranks to violent and sometimes lethal physical and psychological abuse, being not unlike an extremely vicious form of bullying or even torture. It is often cited as a major source of poor morale in the ranks. 585448;1395904043;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.0009445 = 20.3068 BTC [-] 585449;1395904075;tg2;its called hazing 585450;1395904080;xdotcomm_;The term is derived from "ded" (Russian: дед, meaning grandfather), which is the Russian Army army slang equivalent of gramps, meaning soldiers at their third (or fourth, which is also known as "dembel" (Russian: дембель), stemming from a vulgarization of the word "demobilization" (Russian: демобилизация) - this word is erroneously used by soldiers to name the event of resigning from 585451;1395904080;xdotcomm_;the army; this event is also called by soldiers "dembel" or "DMB" (Russian: ДМБ)) half-year of conscription, with the suffix -shchina which designates a type of order, rule, or regime (compare Yezhovshchina, Zhdanovshchina). Thus it can literally be translated as "rule of the grandfathers." This is essentially a folk system of seniority based on stage of service, mostly not backed by code or law, which 585452;1395904080;xdotcomm_;only grants seniority to conscripts promoted to various Sergeant and Efreitor ranks. 585453;1395904081;bitcoinpete;oof survey sez: "we not happy" 585454;1395904085;tg2;its called being a wrothless summerfag 585455;1395904096;xdotcomm_;just how it feels 585456;1395904102;xdotcomm_;not a fan of that 585457;1395904110;tg2;oh come on, submit to it 585458;1395904114;tg2;submit to others will 585459;1395904124;tg2;its in your defiant russian blood to do so 585460;1395904126;tg2;;D 585461;1395904129;benkay;tg2 how long does it take to whip up a gpg key? 585462;1395904133;tg2;so fast 585463;1395904137;bitcoinpete;it's like watching me, myself, and irene 585464;1395904143;tg2;finding the proper directory to submit it to 585465;1395904143;xdotcomm_;yea i can do it but then where do i put it? 585466;1395904144;benkay;;;ident tg2 585467;1395904144;gribble;Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is not identified. 585468;1395904158;tg2;on my android phone 585469;1395904162;tg2;its going well 585470;1395904166;benkay;hahahahahahahahahahahahahah 585471;1395904168;tg2;lol 585472;1395904178;benkay;what the first one expired 585473;1395904187;benkay;now you're typing at lightning speed on your android phone 585474;1395904189;tg2;last time I used a pgp key 585475;1395904197;bitcoinpete;;;google bitcoin pgp otc 585476;1395904198;gribble;GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication>; #bitcoin-otc web of trust data: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php>; #bitcoin-otc web of trust: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php> 585477;1395904198;tg2;well its that or use windows 585478;1395904208;tg2;or ssh 585479;1395904236;tg2;its... so late... benkay-san 585480;1395904246;benkay;try again tomorrow. 585481;1395904248;tg2;please take pity on me... i cannot submit so fast.. 585482;1395904259;xdotcomm_;-bash: gpg: command not found 585483;1395904263;tg2;lol 585484;1395904265;benkay;no pity. 585485;1395904265;tg2;r u srs 585486;1395904266;benkay;only gpg. 585487;1395904276;tg2;dorian incident 585488;1395904277;benkay;no feels. 585489;1395904279;benkay;only crypt. 585490;1395904283;benkay;crypto. 585491;1395904283;bitcoinpete;and 6 months of hard logs 585492;1395904285;tg2;-> EVERYBODY MUST USE PGP AT LAL TIMes NO EXCEPTIONS 585493;1395904307;tg2;>implying that the internet forgets about it after 6 months 585494;1395904307;benkay;actually most of us run naked until interlopers appear derping around. 585495;1395904309;xdotcomm_;the link to OSx guide has expire domain 585496;1395904314;bitcoinpete;not everybody, just people 585497;1395904321;tg2;osx 585498;1395904321;tg2;lol 585499;1395904323;xdotcomm_;http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication 585500;1395904325;ozbot;GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki 585501;1395904325;tg2;there's your problem 585502;1395904332;xdotcomm_;Mac OS X guide with pictures by Drcross. 585503;1395904335;tg2;that wiki is straight shit btw 585504;1395904339;xdotcomm_;fucking domain expired 585505;1395904342;tg2;lol 585506;1395904344;xdotcomm_;amateur hour shit 585507;1395904346;tg2;> osx 585508;1395904353;tg2;> O S X 585509;1395904357;xdotcomm_;i need to find a linux box 585510;1395904357;tg2;i think i spotted your problem 585511;1395904360;tg2;i'm going to do it befor eyou do 585512;1395904361;tg2;on my phone 585513;1395904371;tg2;maybe you can use your smartphone... 585514;1395904374;tg2;or 585515;1395904380;tg2;mmmmmmmmm yeah. 585516;1395904386;xdotcomm_;u mean do it on phone and computer since we are the same person 585517;1395904392;tg2;yeah realtalk 585518;1395904397;xdotcomm_;octoniggaz 585519;1395904397;tg2;use your (my) android phone 585520;1395904403;tg2;instead of your (my) iphone 585521;1395904405;bitcoinpete;we need a parimutuel bet on who gets it done first 585522;1395904413;tg2;bitbet 585523;1395904419;tg2;xdotcomm_ has a sick betting site in teh works 585524;1395904420;tg2;yall gonna love it 585525;1395904423;xdotcomm_;http://ww2.dylblog.com/2011/06/05/how-to-join-in-with-bitcoin-otc-the-easy-way-osx/ 585526;1395904431;xdotcomm_;tg2: thanks for outing bro 585527;1395904431;benkay;bitcoinpete: it's a badbet, they're in cahoots. 585528;1395904441;xdotcomm_;we are same person 585529;1395904443;tg2;you bet on whether or not you're going to get your money back 585530;1395904443;benkay;lzolzozlzolzol betting site in bitcoin 585531;1395904451;tg2;you send 585532;1395904454;benkay;lzolzozlzo no gpg 585533;1395904454;tg2;if you win, you get it back 585534;1395904455;tg2;if not, no 585535;1395904461;Mats_cd03;id put a sharpie in my butt for you 585536;1395904462;benkay;get the fuck out of my face 585537;1395904463;Apocalyptic;sounds like bitbet 585538;1395904466;Mats_cd03;for free 585539;1395904470;MisterE;solid analysis tg2 thanks 585540;1395904485;MisterE;it's a rapidly moving target 585541;1395904489;tg2;its never wrong 585542;1395904495;tg2;fudnamentally it can never be wrong 585543;1395904500;tg2;unlike benkay 585544;1395904503;MisterE;heh 585545;1395904505;xdotcomm_;seiosly 585546;1395904511;tg2;and xdotcomm_'s typing 585547;1395904512;xdotcomm_;who does the guide http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication 585548;1395904517;tg2;it is shit 585549;1395904518;tg2;that guide 585550;1395904524;xdotcomm_;MAC osx link is broken 585551;1395904526;tg2;it is there to prevent others 585552;1395904528;tg2;from using pgp 585553;1395904528;benkay;too complicated for you two? 585554;1395904530;MisterE;yea was thinking this too 585555;1395904531;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6678 @ 0.0009445 = 6.3074 BTC [-] 585556;1395904534;MisterE;minutes ago 585557;1395904537;tg2;its some kind of sick twisted game 585558;1395904541;tg2;where they tell everybody to use PGP 585559;1395904541;bitcoinpete;;;google gpg tools tutorial 585560;1395904542;gribble;First steps - where do I start, where do I begin? - GPGTools Support: <http://support.gpgtools.org/kb/how-to/first-steps-where-do-i-start-where-do-i-begin>; Tutorials / FAQs - GPGTools Support: <http://support.gpgtools.org/kb/how-to>; GPGTools Screencast - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt4MFkbr6co> 585561;1395904546;tg2;then the guide purposly oomits the parts you need to know 585562;1395904548;benkay;pgp, gpg 585563;1395904552;benkay;what's the difference anyways 585564;1395904555;MisterE;cli is easiest no fucking around 585565;1395904561;bitcoinpete;there's your osx. fuck 585566;1395904561;benkay;man pages 585567;1395904564;benkay;what are even that? 585568;1395904567;tg2;WHY DONT THEY HAVE A WINDOWS XP GUI 585569;1395904579;tg2;IM GONNA WRITE AN ANGRY EMAIL (unsigned of course) ABOUTT HIS MATTER 585570;1395904580;benkay;^^ widows crypto asspert 585571;1395904588;benkay;assperters 585572;1395904590;Mats_cd03;ya really 585573;1395904590;MisterE;MSCE too 585574;1395904597;tg2;benkay - I hope we meet IRL some time 585575;1395904599;benkay;certified microsoft scrum officer 585576;1395904599;MisterE;MCSE* 585577;1395904599;xdotcomm_;i am downloading a suite 585578;1395904608;benkay;threats of violence 585579;1395904609;benkay;novel 585580;1395904617;tg2;>implying I didn't mean for beers 585581;1395904625;tg2;I have more resepect for people I dislike than those I get along with 585582;1395904628;tg2;ask xdotcomm_ 585583;1395904633;xdotcomm_;hahah 585584;1395904635;tg2;lol 585585;1395904636;benkay;come down to portland 585586;1395904643;benkay;it's just a train ride away 585587;1395904651;bitcoinpete;is spring in portland yet? 585588;1395904653;benkay;hack in the living room with the fellas 585589;1395904654;tg2;i herd blowjobs are cheap there 585590;1395904656;MisterE;heh I have family there 585591;1395904658;tg2;supply and demand thing 585592;1395904659;xdotcomm_;he will come and like buy u beers for pissing him off in the chat 585593;1395904660;MisterE;hey! 585594;1395904677;benkay;yeah men are in short supply 585595;1395904677;tg2;beers?! 585596;1395904688;tg2;actually 585597;1395904694;xdotcomm_;maybe just 1 585598;1395904697;tg2;there is a good brewpub there 585599;1395904703;xdotcomm_;i dunno depends on exchange rate 585600;1395904703;MisterE;several 585601;1395904706;tg2;that I wanted to visit 585602;1395904709;MisterE;whole craft scene 585603;1395904711;tg2;one in particular on the drive down from here 585604;1395904718;tg2;has like 400 bottles on tap 585605;1395904724;tg2;or 400 bottles * 585606;1395904726;tg2;and 80 taps 585607;1395904726;MisterE;McMennimens? 585608;1395904735;MisterE;sp? 585609;1395904740;tg2;hold on lemme find it 585610;1395904744;tg2;you do a x month thing 585611;1395904752;tg2;where you drink all sorts of varieties 585612;1395904754;tg2;then you get your cert 585613;1395904762;moiety;;; wtf sauce please gribble 585614;1395904762;gribble;(wtf [is] <something>) -- Returns wtf <something> is. 'wtf' is a *nix command that first appeared in NetBSD 1.5. In most *nices, it's available in some sort of 'bsdgames' package. 585615;1395904767;tg2;(only after providing gpg obviously) 585616;1395904777;MisterE;http://www.mcmenamins.com/ 585617;1395904778;ozbot;McMenamins - Pubs, Breweries and Historic Hotels in Oregon and Washington 585618;1395904791;MisterE;lol 585619;1395904794;xdotcomm_;“GPG Keychain Access” would like to access your contacts. 585620;1395904796;benkay;mcmen's a shit 585621;1395904799;xdotcomm_;wtf 585622;1395904799;tg2;lol 585623;1395904800;xdotcomm_;y 585624;1395904802;tg2;please 585625;1395904803;benkay;what you want is bailey's taproom 585626;1395904803;tg2;tell me 585627;1395904806;tg2;you are not being serious 585628;1395904808;benkay;the app for which my shop made 585629;1395904814;MisterE;yea mams is like a chain 585630;1395904815;tg2;if not, props cause my jimmies are on the moon 585631;1395904822;BingoBoingo;;;fsck 585632;1395904822;gribble;Error: "fsck" is not a valid command. 585633;1395904823;tg2;if so, holy fuck your jimmies are on the moon 585634;1395904823;MisterE;so wondering what else you mean that big? 585635;1395904832;moiety;benkay, MisterE: ever tried BrewDog? 585636;1395904849;MisterE;no I haven't been back to the US for a few years now 585637;1395904852;benkay;moiety: nope. too much good local stuff for imports 585638;1395904860;MisterE;and even then just a few weeks 585639;1395904891;Mats_cd03;po-po got you on the run? 585640;1395904902;moiety;benkay, fair point, its local to me lol. if you ever do come across it, it's really good 585641;1395904911;MisterE;naaw dawg nobody gonna find me here 585642;1395904938;benkay;tg2: i'm nowhere near so abrasive in person 585643;1395904939;BingoBoingo;Oh, scammer pumping http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/meet-the-manic-miner-who-wants-to-mint-10-of-all-new-bitcoins/ 585644;1395904966;tg2;it would be difficult for that to be a false statement without breaking some field of physics 585645;1395904978;bitcoinpete;it's been a laugh, goodnight all 585646;1395904983;xdotcomm_;ok i read this http://support.gpgtools.org/kb/how-to/first-steps-where-do-i-start-where-do-i-begin 585647;1395904983;benkay;night bitcoinpete 585648;1395904991;xdotcomm_;now how i plug it in to irc? 585649;1395904992;tg2;lolllll ok stop 585650;1395904996;benkay;thing is, there are cultural mores over which you're trampling tonight tg2 585651;1395904999;tg2;putty into a linux server 585652;1395905027;benkay;consider it an immune response. nothing personal. 585653;1395905027;tg2;http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication 585654;1395905029;tg2;follow that 585655;1395905029;ozbot;GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki 585656;1395905052;moiety;BingoBoingo: jesus, 1.4million? o.o article does make me love rpi a wee bit more 585657;1395905075;BingoBoingo;moiety: That Dave is a known scammer 585658;1395905082;xdotcomm_;Please select what kind of key you want: 585659;1395905082;xdotcomm_;(1) RSA and RSA (default) 585660;1395905083;xdotcomm_;(2) DSA and Elgamal 585661;1395905084;MisterE;surely leased hashing is a scam in an d of itself? 585662;1395905084;xdotcomm_;(3) DSA (sign only) 585663;1395905086;tg2;I'm not oblivious to that 585664;1395905086;xdotcomm_;(4) RSA (sign only) 585665;1395905091;tg2;shtap 585666;1395905099;tg2;learn2pastebin 585667;1395905119;tg2;I'll gen one for you k 585668;1395905125;tg2;i'll keep the private key REALLLLL SAFE 585669;1395905126;benkay;oh man 585670;1395905128;tg2;lolll 585671;1395905143;benkay;troll so hard motherfuckers wan' byte me 585672;1395905143;tg2;<signed> guys i'm so gay 585673;1395905148;moiety;BingoBoingo: he does look like a total gimp 585674;1395905185;moiety;xdotcomm_: and now you see the benefit of not reading a quick guide. all questions answered. 585675;1395905252;benkay;funny 585676;1395905273;benkay;i was just talking to some friends earlier today about how the right way to learn how to gpg correctly was to take a week and read the manual. 585677;1395905280;benkay;seems like nobody has a week to learn a tool anymore. 585678;1395905293;benkay;anyone in this channel ever use a mill? 585679;1395905295;moiety;nah one evening with BingoBoingo does it perfectly 585680;1395905298;tg2;week? people dont read an article past the 2nd sentence 585681;1395905301;benkay;lathe, maybe? 585682;1395905304;tg2;why do you think upworthy.com is so popular 585683;1395905310;tg2;its a youtube video and 2 sentences 585684;1395905312;benkay;moiety: you're a little smarter than the average babe. 585685;1395905313;tg2;1.5M fb likes 585686;1395905328;BingoBoingo;benkay: Grandpa used a bandsaw... 585687;1395905338;tg2;xdotcomm_ can build a 3d printer from scratch 585688;1395905339;benkay;GP teach you how to use it? 585689;1395905351;benkay;tg2: doesn't matter if he can't make money with if. 585690;1395905352;benkay;it* 585691;1395905363;BingoBoingo;benkay: Nah, he lost too many finger parts 585692;1395905374;benkay;haw 585693;1395905380;benkay;finger parts 585694;1395905405;xdotcomm_;;;gpg eauth xdotcommer 585695;1395905406;gribble;Error: This nick is not registered. Please register. 585696;1395905414;xdotcomm_;;;gpg eauth xdotcomm_ 585697;1395905414;gribble;Error: This nick is not registered. Please register. 585698;1395905415;moiety;lol 585699;1395905429;xdotcomm_;;;gpg register xdotcommer 585700;1395905430;benkay;you can play with gribble in private to avoid humiliating yourself, xdotcomm_ 585701;1395905430;gribble;(gpg register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes. 585702;1395905469;benkay;aw shit 585703;1395905479;benkay;woulda been more fun to watch him flail 585704;1395905480;xdotcomm_;i fucking drank man 585705;1395905484;benkay;dude 585706;1395905485;benkay;go to sleep 585707;1395905493;xdotcomm_;first time dis pgp shit 585708;1395905494;benkay;don't fuck with keys when you're not sober 585709;1395905500;xdotcomm_;i aint got nothing to hide 585710;1395905502;benkay;keys are serious business. 585711;1395905507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12375 @ 0.00093959 = 11.6274 BTC [-] {2} 585712;1395905516;xdotcomm_;i already uploaded it to rapidshare for tg2 585713;1395905518;moiety;i learned gpg steaming drunk too. 585714;1395905533;benkay;daww moiety why don't you play with me wasted? 585715;1395905551;benkay;i have duct tape... 585716;1395905563;moiety;lolol ^ 585717;1395905569;moiety;win 585718;1395905615;Apocalyptic;and we have a winner 585719;1395905622;tg2;;;help 585720;1395905622;gribble;The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ 585721;1395905625;joecool;xdotcomm_: you sellin? 585722;1395905627;tg2;;; verify 585723;1395905627;gribble;(verify <url>) -- Verify the latest authentication request by providing a pastebin <url> which contains the challenge string clearsigned with your GPG key of record. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter). 585724;1395905628;benkay;moiety's special tho 585725;1395905631;tg2;;; everify 585726;1395905632;gribble;(everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter). 585727;1395905633;moiety;i try to behave in here, mostly 585728;1395905634;Apocalyptic;;;ident tg2 585729;1395905635;gribble;Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 4BCCE0D63E7F049F, key fingerprint 54D7E1FD9B9319BE3939878B4BCCE0D63E7F049F, and bitcoin address None 585730;1395905636;tg2;anyway i'm verified 585731;1395905637;Apocalyptic;it's good dude 585732;1395905638;tg2;aww yeah 585733;1395905642;tg2;AW YEAH 585734;1395905648;tg2;get on my fucking ident level scrubs 585735;1395905656;tg2;we really shoudln't have drank so much tonight 585736;1395905657;benkay;ident level zero 585737;1395905660;tg2;lol 585738;1395905660;xdotcomm_;joecool: selling what? 585739;1395905662;tg2;yeah really 585740;1395905666;Apocalyptic;;;gettrust tg2 585741;1395905667;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35. Trust relationship from user Apocalyptic to user tg2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Apocalyptic&dest=tg2 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=tg2 | Rated since: never 585742;1395905669;joecool;xdotcomm_: you send the bitcoin 585743;1395905674;tg2;SO MUCH TRUST 585744;1395905677;Apocalyptic;^ 585745;1395905679;xdotcomm_;to where? 585746;1395905684;joecool;;;ident 585747;1395905685;gribble;Nick 'joecool', with hostmask 'joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool', is identified as user 'joecool', with GPG key id 4A169504F495E1D1, key fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc 585748;1395905696;xdotcomm_;joecool: u trying to get me to send u bitcoin? 585749;1395905697;BingoBoingo;;;rate Apocalyptic 2 x-bt not an idiot 585750;1395905699;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Apocalyptic has changed from 2 to 2. 585751;1395905707;tg2;;;help rate 585752;1395905708;gribble;(rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten. 585753;1395905716;joecool;xdotcomm_: sure? 585754;1395905721;tg2;lol 585755;1395905726;tg2;did you register yet? 585756;1395905732;tg2;pm gribble 585757;1395905735;joecool;!gettrust Apocalyptic 585758;1395905735;benkay;u guise 585759;1395905738;benkay;rating each other 585760;1395905738;joecool;;;gettrust Apocalyptic 585761;1395905739;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user joecool to user Apocalyptic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 6 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=Apocalyptic | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Apocalyptic | Rated since: Mon Jul 15 09:32:50 2013 585762;1395905744;benkay;this is pretty much as lulzy as it gets 585763;1395905760;BingoBoingo;Fuck it, Imma pass out. 585764;1395905765;joecool;solid 585765;1395905768;moiety;await a bunch of ratings from similarly unknown new names in the coming while 585766;1395905769;benkay;sleep tight BingoBoingo 585767;1395905771;tg2;good riddan... err night 585768;1395905783;moiety;nanight BingoBoingo 585769;1395905784;joecool;;;gettrust moiety 585770;1395905785;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user joecool to user moiety: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=moiety | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moiety | Rated since: Tue Feb 25 20:04:56 2014 585771;1395905789;BingoBoingo;tg2 xdotcomm_ Yall dun know what drinking is 585772;1395905797;tg2;> implying sobriety 585773;1395905814;joecool;lol i've never seen that message on wot before 585774;1395905825;tg2;lol 585775;1395905830;Apocalyptic;joecool, it's new 585776;1395905832;xdotcomm_;is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id. 585777;1395905846;tg2;use --longkey 585778;1395905857;tg2;you doing it on 'nix cli? 585779;1395905859;Apocalyptic;night BingoBoingo 585780;1395905876;benkay;hahaha 585781;1395905883;benkay;moiety: your ratings are tits 585782;1395905891;tg2;is it acceptable that my key password is benkay4gaypresident? 585783;1395905894;benkay;"attempted the impossible, don't think other people's money was lost" 585784;1395905907;benkay;i gotta hear the story behind that 585785;1395905920;moiety;i have ratings?! 585786;1395905927;benkay;;;gettrust moiety 585787;1395905927;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user moiety: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=moiety | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moiety | Rated since: Tue Feb 25 20:04:56 2014 585788;1395905928;xdotcomm_;;;gettrust xdotcomm_ 585789;1395905929;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xdotcomm_ to user xdotcomm_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xdotcomm_&dest=xdotcomm_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xdotcomm_ | Rated since: never 585790;1395905933;moiety;;;gpg auth moiety 585791;1395905933;gribble;Request successful for user moiety, hostmask moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2db00ddcee5d2ae977131df20df2c783d9f3fcb201c231adcc7e9b3a 585792;1395905934;BingoBoingo;http://www.nationstates.net/nation=bingotonia 585793;1395905935;ozbot;NationStates | The Most Serene Republic of Bingotonia 585794;1395905938;joecool;moiety: apparently 585795;1395905954;xdotcomm_;;;gpg auth xdotcomm_ 585796;1395905954;gribble;Error: This nick is not registered. Please register. 585797;1395905958;xdotcomm_;;;gpg auth xdotcommer 585798;1395905958;gribble;Error: This nick is not registered. Please register. 585799;1395905977;benkay;xdotcomm_: maybe go to sleep 585800;1395905987;benkay;1 day does not matter over the course of your life 585801;1395905990;tg2;inb4 gpg brute force 585802;1395905996;tg2;eventually 585803;1395905999;tg2;it will get accepted 585804;1395906021;tg2;haha my sides are in orbit 585805;1395906040;benkay;tg2 where did you get your mixer? 585806;1395906040;tg2;if only you guys knew on what level this is 585807;1395906071;tg2;x is chortling strong 585808;1395906109;tg2;mixer? i don't mix. anybody who says so is a lying sac of shit and I will ;;rate them 585809;1395906123;benkay;i've never seen anyone do that to metaphors before. i want one like you have. 585810;1395906137;Apocalyptic;"I will ;;rate them" too bad you can't, for now 585811;1395906149;tg2;i'm putting it in notepad 585812;1395906153;tg2;for future ;;rating 585813;1395906165;benkay;i'm still waiting for you both to auth at the same time 585814;1395906169;tg2;i'm authed 585815;1395906178;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00093817 = 8.6312 BTC [-] 585816;1395906184;tg2;CHECK ME BRO 585817;1395906203;tg2;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoudYNeVn5E 585818;1395906203;ozbot;Bro Down Stephen Sondheim vs Randy Marsh - YouTube 585819;1395906218;tg2;this perfectly recaps our exchanges tonight 585820;1395906238;tg2;;;ident tg2 585821;1395906238;gribble;Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 4BCCE0D63E7F049F, key fingerprint 54D7E1FD9B9319BE3939878B4BCCE0D63E7F049F, and bitcoin address None 585822;1395906243;benkay;;;ident xdotcommer 585823;1395906244;gribble;Nick 'xdotcommer', with hostmask 'xdotcommer!~xdotcomme@bas1-montreal51-1167905977.dsl.bell.ca', is not identified. 585824;1395906248;benkay;"at the same time" 585825;1395906253;xdotcommer;y 585826;1395906253;benkay;reading comprehension? 585827;1395906258;xdotcommer;i cant do this 585828;1395906261;tg2;lol 585829;1395906271;tg2;this is a clever ruse 585830;1395906272;xdotcommer;;;gpg eauth xdotcommer 585831;1395906272;gribble;Error: This nick is not registered. Please register. 585832;1395906275;tg2;best sock ever 585833;1395906282;xdotcommer;y i just registered 585834;1395906283;tg2;good sock bad sock 585835;1395906289;Apocalyptic;xdotcommer, ;;eregister is the first command 585836;1395906298;xdotcommer;yea it says success 585837;1395906304;tg2;meanwhile x has like 4 gpg keys that I know of 585838;1395906305;tg2;in my chain 585839;1395906307;Apocalyptic;did you decrypt the OTP ? 585840;1395906322;xdotcommer;Request successful for user xdotcommer, hostmask xdotcomme 585841;1395906328;Apocalyptic;it should have sent you a link 585842;1395906342;tg2;xdotcommer, you have to disable norton antivirus 585843;1395906346;Apocalyptic;now you open that, decrypt it,and ;;everify it 585844;1395906348;tg2;and open internete explorer 585845;1395906380;tg2;search in the ask toolbar for "gpg fast direct download" 585846;1395906382;tg2;click the first link 585847;1395906388;tg2;click all hte donwload buttons you see 585848;1395906401;tg2;click yes on all the prompts 585849;1395906423;tg2;;;ident tg2 585850;1395906423;gribble;Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 4BCCE0D63E7F049F, key fingerprint 54D7E1FD9B9319BE3939878B4BCCE0D63E7F049F, and bitcoin address None 585851;1395906436;tg2;wow, such ident, much fingerprint 585852;1395906439;xdotcommer;;;gpg eauth xdotcommer 585853;1395906439;gribble;Error: This nick is not registered. Please register. 585854;1395906511;xdotcommer;;;gpg eauth xdotcommer 585855;1395906512;gribble;Request successful for user xdotcommer, hostmask xdotcommer!~xdotcomme@bas1-montreal51-1167905977.dsl.bell.ca. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/17C50934C1F0ADDD 585856;1395906519;xdotcommer;sup now mofos 585857;1395906522;tg2;holy wow 585858;1395906537;xdotcommer;so we cant be 2 people? 585859;1395906544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00093586 = 26.7656 BTC [-] {3} 585860;1395906546;xdotcommer;maybe there is like 5 of us 585861;1395906556;xdotcommer;benkay: ? 585862;1395906557;benkay;strawman 585863;1395906561;tg2;;;rate help 585864;1395906561;gribble;(rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten. 585865;1395906562;benkay;booooring 585866;1395906573;tg2;ok xdotcommer, your shift is up 585867;1395906577;tg2;inform the next sock they can take over 585868;1395906592;benkay;so tg2 585869;1395906597;MisterE;that dude with the 2.5 ph!! 585870;1395906598;benkay;where are your ratings going to come from? 585871;1395906599;tg2;;;rate xdotcommer 10 touched my tralala 585872;1395906599;gribble;Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users. 585873;1395906604;tg2;:'9 585874;1395906607;MisterE;nice work those rigs look bare bones 585875;1395906608;benkay;hahahahahahaha 585876;1395906609;MisterE;and using Pis 585877;1395906611;xdotcommer;ok so what can we do now that we could not do before? 585878;1395906616;tg2;benkay rate me 585879;1395906620;benkay;why? 585880;1395906624;tg2;you denenerate shitposter 585881;1395906634;benkay;eloquent. 585882;1395906642;xdotcommer;;;rate xdotcommer 10 shilling like a villain 585883;1395906642;gribble;Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users. 585884;1395906648;tg2;lol 585885;1395906648;chatquack;;;rate bingoboingo 1 pretty awesome 585886;1395906649;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bingoboingo has been recorded. 585887;1395906651;tg2;you rate yourself 585888;1395906657;tg2;that is how the trust system works 585889;1395906659;xdotcommer;;;rate tg2 10 shilling like a villain 585890;1395906660;gribble;Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users. 585891;1395906663;tg2;solid comprehension 585892;1395906667;xdotcommer;haha 585893;1395906669;tg2;strong show 585894;1395906677;tg2;benkay 585895;1395906677;benkay;monocle gents 585896;1395906681;tg2;pls 585897;1395906682;benkay;wot wot 585898;1395906692;tg2;benkay can has r8 pls 585899;1395906702;tg2;I'll send you 100 dogecoins 585900;1395906707;tg2;worth imo 585901;1395906734;Apocalyptic;poor mircea, he will have a hard time reading the log later today 585902;1395906744;benkay;poor poor mircea 585903;1395906753;tg2;so poor 585904;1395906762;tg2;doesn't even have darkcoins 585905;1395906768;benkay;top kek gents 585906;1395906779;benkay;good job falling in line 585907;1395906784;benkay;no need to even crack skulls 585908;1395906794;tg2;> implying skull cracking abilities 585909;1395906801;xdotcommer;benkay: what we get for learning pgp? 585910;1395906807;xdotcommer;like a cookie at lesT? 585911;1395906807;benkay;hardcore 4channer 585912;1395906808;tg2;inb4 250gbps flood 585913;1395906813;benkay;welcome 585914;1395906825;tg2;ok cool 585915;1395906828;benkay;it's a reference for others, tg2 585916;1395906830;tg2;well I feel much less dignified that before 585917;1395906834;benkay;don't pay it too much bother 585918;1395906848;benkay;you'd have had to read logs and shit to get the joke 585919;1395906850;tg2;but now strangers on the internet know how legitimate I am 585920;1395906859;benkay;yeah, what's your rating again? 585921;1395906864;benkay;much legitimate. 585922;1395906866;benkay;wow 585923;1395906876;tg2;look at this guy, doge meme'n it up 585924;1395906878;tg2;what a champ 585925;1395906882;tg2;you're a half decent guy you know that 585926;1395906889;tg2;i applaud your efforts at making us feel at home 585927;1395906890;Apocalyptic;tg2, xdotcommer I imagine you guys like : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcUWaVbC8wY#t=27 585928;1395906892;tg2;good show 585929;1395906918;xdotcommer;ahahha this guy tells us to register then makes fun of us for not having rating in their system 585930;1395906922;tg2;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_d5jWvBirU 585931;1395906922;ozbot;Acquiring Business - YouTube 585932;1395906926;tg2;its actually closer tot hat 585933;1395906927;tg2;irl 585934;1395906937;tg2;but with more drinking 585935;1395906942;tg2;and less black people 585936;1395906958;benkay;you'll get it, i'm sure 585937;1395906962;benkay;more reads 585938;1395906965;benkay;less derp 585939;1395906979;xdotcommer;what about selfpawns? 585940;1395906979;tg2;i really think its great that you guys are humoring us 585941;1395906990;benkay;if not derpers, won't drown 585942;1395906993;tg2;meanwhile xdotcommer authored parts of i2p 585943;1395907007;benkay;oooh, mega creds 585944;1395907012;tg2;as previously mentionned, sides are on jupiter ATM 585945;1395907014;xdotcommer;lolz 585946;1395907016;benkay;;;rate NAAAAAH 585947;1395907016;gribble;(rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten. 585948;1395907028;tg2;perhaps tomorrow morning they will have returned 585949;1395907039;tg2;along with a hangover 585950;1395907057;benkay;plan to read logs in the am? 585951;1395907064;benkay;self flagellate? 585952;1395907070;moiety;this is still ongoing i see 585953;1395907077;moiety;;; ident moiety 585954;1395907077;gribble;Nick 'moiety', with hostmask 'moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety', is identified as user 'moiety', with GPG key id 6DF881D6696B6111, key fingerprint E64F1CD74C9F7F955A892A646DF881D6696B6111, and bitcoin address None 585955;1395907081;benkay;moiety save meeee 585956;1395907090;moiety;fucking pretty key i made huh :) 585957;1395907090;xdotcommer;Apocalyptic: thanks for that vid 585958;1395907092;xdotcommer;its good 585959;1395907125;moiety;benkay: its called ignore :P 585960;1395907132;benkay;they're trying 585961;1395907137;benkay;identing and all 585962;1395907147;benkay;gotta have *some* modicum of manners 585963;1395907176;moiety;treat others as they treat you is my motto 585964;1395907184;tg2;brb writing a vanity gpg key gen 585965;1395907188;benkay;after all, BingoBoingo and I settled our differences eventually. 585966;1395907189;tg2;opencl? opencl 585967;1395907248;xdotcommer;y so many pople in this channel 585968;1395907255;xdotcommer;alsmost as much as in #dogecoin 585969;1395907262;xdotcommer;wait no they have 900+ 585970;1395907264;moiety;i didnt know you had had differences benkay, im glad they are settled 585971;1395907296;moiety;oh yeah i wanted to see my ratings 585972;1395907302;moiety;;; gettrust moiety 585973;1395907303;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety. Trust relationship from user moiety to user moiety: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=moiety&dest=moiety | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moiety | Rated since: Tue Feb 25 20:04:56 2014 585974;1395907313;tg2;so rated 585975;1395907329;benkay;well, we trolled each other hard for about a week when BingoBoingo returned from his self-imposed exile lo these many months ago 585976;1395907332;joecool;moiety: congrats WOT is no longer telling me that you're an impostor and a scammer 585977;1395907357;benkay;;;rate moiety 1 not ninjashogun 585978;1395907358;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user moiety has been recorded. 585979;1395907366;moiety;i just needed to gribble joecool! 585980;1395907377;moiety;lolol benkay XD 585981;1395907400;moiety;i has two ratings nao :D 585982;1395907423;*;joecool sleeps 585983;1395907436;benkay;quantity > quality, eh xdotcommer? 585984;1395907460;xdotcommer;benkay: regarding? 585985;1395907473;benkay;<xdotcommer> y so many pople in this channel [01:00] 585986;1395907474;benkay;<xdotcommer> alsmost as much as in #dogecoin 585987;1395907476;benkay;<xdotcommer> wait no they have 900+ 585988;1395907482;xdotcommer;are u saying ur better then dogecoin person? 585989;1395907489;xdotcommer;so presumptuous 585990;1395907500;benkay;to use a 4chanism 585991;1395907530;xdotcommer;u know y i like doge 585992;1395907535;xdotcommer;cause fast 585993;1395907538;xdotcommer;and cheap to send 585994;1395907547;moiety;;; later tell BingoBoingo i didn't realise you had left me a rating, that means a lot what you said 585995;1395907547;gribble;The operation succeeded. 585996;1395907570;benkay;> implozlzolzol 585997;1395907571;benkay;and inflates infinitely! 585998;1395907571;benkay;what could go wrong. 585999;1395907601;benkay;was this in reference to the chatthing moiety ? 586000;1395907609;moiety;fast + cheap to send is all it takes? better make my manuls fast as fuck then 586001;1395907630;benkay;in and out 586002;1395907632;benkay;quick as possible 586003;1395907632;xdotcommer;tg2: u got those bitcoins i sent last year? 586004;1395907635;benkay;why u no climax? 586005;1395907671;moiety;yeah benkay i tried to make it work as best i could but i think i was in a losing battle, large mess 586006;1395907686;benkay;did you get out whole? 586007;1395907706;moiety;still going amn't i? :) 586008;1395907713;benkay;oh goodness 586009;1395907723;benkay;still wrapped up in it then 586010;1395907773;moiety;well no its shifted, i only retained some users and code really 586011;1395907826;moiety;just didnt give in when i shouldve 586012;1395907836;benkay;to what should you have given in? 586013;1395907883;moiety;like i shouldve just said no, not taken the site and left it at that. avoided all dramatics and the like 586014;1395907916;benkay;nobody else to push it off on? 586015;1395907954;moiety;no and i couldnt say no enough times. 586016;1395907969;benkay;that's a rough finger trap. 586017;1395908027;moiety;all ages ago, onwards and upwards as they say 586018;1395908036;benkay;indeedl 586019;1395908045;moiety;dwll on things too long and you just go backwards right? 586020;1395908050;moiety;dwell* 586021;1395908063;benkay;key there is the "too long" 586022;1395908082;benkay;there's an appropriate amount of dwelling and contrition from which one can learn things 586023;1395908095;benkay;but generally don't hurt yourself unnecessarily over it 586024;1395908105;benkay;learn the html, css, js 586025;1395908105;moiety;^ thats what i did entirely 586026;1395908117;benkay;maybe get a sweet job or something 586027;1395908165;moiety;yeah im now in learn mode. i did have crazy plans but BingoBoingo said, just calm down and learn a while 586028;1395908174;moiety;shit thing is i lost my job in the process 586029;1395908181;benkay;rough stuff! 586030;1395908187;benkay;how'd that come about? 586031;1395908195;benkay;not to reopen a fresh wound. 586032;1395908234;tg2;xdotcommer - ? 586033;1395908250;xdotcommer;non 586034;1395908266;tg2;when did you ever send me bitcions 586035;1395908281;moiety;a few factors, but being so involved in that didnt help. not for publogs 586036;1395908288;tg2;dont try to get ratings out of me you scammy fuck 586037;1395908293;xdotcommer;tg2: whats bitcoins is that money software 586038;1395908296;tg2;i'm on to you 586039;1395908309;tg2;;;rate xdotcommer -10000000 said he had candy in his van 586040;1395908309;gribble;Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users. 586041;1395908320;xdotcommer;we cant even shill each other 586042;1395908325;tg2;:'( 586043;1395908328;moiety;so are you guys on oral medication or injections? 586044;1395908329;benkay;yeah it's bullshit i tell you 586045;1395908331;benkay;worthless wot 586046;1395908338;xdotcommer;who was on top of the rating pyramid 586047;1395908341;tg2;I'm going to write an angry letter 586048;1395908345;xdotcommer;because there had to be the first guy 586049;1395908353;tg2;what kind of rating pyramid is this anyway 586050;1395908354;xdotcommer;the one with power to rate 586051;1395908362;tg2;who rates the raters 586052;1395908368;xdotcommer;he gave a gift or rating to others 586053;1395908375;tg2;how many rates can you rate, really 586054;1395908376;tg2;and who rates that 586055;1395908396;tg2;at what rate can those rates truly be rated 586056;1395908397;moiety;when can i rate people? how many do i need? 586057;1395908405;benkay;try it, moiety 586058;1395908411;tg2;send me somebitcoins I'll rate you 586059;1395908412;xdotcommer;moiety: rate me bro 586060;1395908427;tg2;ask benkay - he has my address 586061;1395908432;tg2;we tight 586062;1395908443;moiety;;; rate benkay 1 knows trolling when he sees it 586063;1395908444;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded. 586064;1395908448;moiety;\o/ 586065;1395908448;tg2;;;rate benkay 10 IRL bro, accdientally crossed streams, never talked about it 586066;1395908449;gribble;Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users. 586067;1395908476;benkay;i'm just waiting to discover that tg2 is pax dickinson or someone cool 586068;1395908477;tg2;so................. once i get 1 rating 586069;1395908478;xdotcommer;moiety: whats the site thats giving u pains? 586070;1395908481;xdotcommer;is it public info? 586071;1395908482;benkay;i'll probably be mad disappointed. 586072;1395908482;tg2;I can give out infinite ratings 586073;1395908512;tg2;benkay, you'll know who I am when the time is right 586074;1395908522;tg2;and then you're gonna be like "OH MAN WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT NO WAY" 586075;1395908523;moiety;xdotcommer: it doesnt exist anymore 586076;1395908526;benkay;ain't nobody in no hurry, tg2 586077;1395908536;xdotcommer;moiety: was it something cool? 586078;1395908548;xdotcommer;like bitbets.com 586079;1395908551;tg2;just when you are comfortable in your assertion that I am not ninjashogun, after years of earning your trust, secretly 586080;1395908557;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-] 586081;1395908558;tg2;I wlil reveal myself as ninjashogun 586082;1395908572;moiety;it was a cool concept, with the wrong users 586083;1395908574;tg2;you will be left with a void of trust the likes of which WOT cannot comprehend 586084;1395908591;xdotcommer;moiety: automated type stuff? 586085;1395908605;xdotcommer;ponzi.io? 586086;1395908617;moiety;nah ponzi.me 586087;1395908626;benkay;ponzi.you 586088;1395908646;moiety;namecheap will probably be selling .ponzi soon 586089;1395908657;benkay;.bit is the new .ponzi 586090;1395908688;xdotcommer;benkay: link? 586091;1395908690;moiety;true lol 586092;1395908700;Apocalyptic;<tg2> I can give out infinite ratings // depends 586093;1395908710;moiety;manls.com and pallascat.com are gone :( 586094;1395908714;xdotcommer;i like the idea of free dns 586095;1395908723;tg2;manuls.io 586096;1395908729;moiety;no 586097;1395908733;tg2;manulmode 586098;1395908736;benkay;manu.ls? 586099;1395908738;tg2;raiseyourmanuls 586100;1395908765;xdotcommer;benkay: i meant why .bit is new ponzi 586101;1395908776;moiety;oh i hadnt thought of .ls, i was thinking pallasc.at but im not so keen on domain hacks 586102;1395908777;tg2;damn I was hopnig that .ls stood for lichtenstein 586103;1395908784;xdotcommer;if mozilla + google adopt it... it game time 586104;1395908799;xdotcommer;tg2: lichtenstein hosting 586105;1395908799;tg2;domai.nr 586106;1395908818;tg2;http://www.co.ls/ 586107;1395908820;tg2;such graphics 586108;1395908825;moiety;except mine, mine is great. palindrome email ftw 586109;1395908836;xdotcommer;for .bit u need mozilla + chrome to adopt it. 586110;1395908839;tg2;;;ident moiety 586111;1395908840;gribble;Nick 'moiety', with hostmask 'moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety', is identified as user 'moiety', with GPG key id 6DF881D6696B6111, key fingerprint E64F1CD74C9F7F955A892A646DF881D6696B6111, and bitcoin address None 586112;1395908851;tg2;needs more 6's 586113;1395908859;benkay;xdotcommer: bitcoin's a ponzi, duh. 586114;1395908865;tg2;unsatisfactory amount of 6's in gpg stub 586115;1395908875;tg2;bitcoin, the best ponzi 586116;1395908876;moiety;my key is beautiful. shut up 586117;1395908897;tg2;;;ident tg2 586118;1395908898;gribble;Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 4BCCE0D63E7F049F, key fingerprint 54D7E1FD9B9319BE3939878B4BCCE0D63E7F049F, and bitcoin address None 586119;1395908907;tg2;looks like 4 bitches 586120;1395908921;tg2;CEO 586121;1395908930;xdotcommer;benkay: say it aint so 586122;1395908939;tg2;this is modern day palm reading 586123;1395908941;xdotcommer;benkay: take it back 586124;1395908943;benkay;hard trufs breh 586125;1395908949;tg2;lol 586126;1395908952;moiety;do you guys ever sleep? js 586127;1395908955;xdotcommer;sources 586128;1395908961;xdotcommer;we sleep when dead 586129;1395908968;tg2;if only you knew benkay, if only you knew 586130;1395908978;moiety;sounds like a challenge 586131;1395909015;tg2;well, its early enough to go to bed 586132;1395909022;xdotcommer;moiety: vampirism 586133;1395909037;tg2;gnite benkay 586134;1395909047;xdotcommer;VampCoin 586135;1395909053;benkay;tg2 if only *you* knew benkay 586136;1395909055;tg2;coiners anonymous 586137;1395909062;xdotcommer;only possible to mine in dark 586138;1395909075;xdotcommer;must have fresh blood 586139;1395909093;xdotcommer;once u give somebody vampcoin 586140;1395909097;xdotcommer;... 586141;1395909120;benkay;;;later tell Jorge_Pasada http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/27_why-wot-why-now-its-an-immune-system-sucker.html 586142;1395909120;gribble;The operation succeeded. 586143;1395909228;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05489999 = 0.1098 BTC [-] {2} 586144;1395909231;benkay;night moiety 586145;1395909241;benkay;now...if only *you* knew benkay... 586146;1395909304;moiety;lol nanight benkay, nice article :) 586147;1395909336;benkay;quit flattering me you 586148;1395909344;benkay;getcha nowhere 586149;1395909351;benkay;;) 586150;1395909356;moiety;:P 586151;1395909380;tg2;Wow ok I'll officially tired, I just set a server ip to it's netmask and have no ipmi... lol 586152;1395909516;xdotcommer;see this is retarded... http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/27_why-wot-why-now-its-an-immune-system-sucker.html 586153;1395909528;xdotcommer;cause in adult what we do is we trust people based on domains they own 586154;1395909540;xdotcommer;if they can prove ownership of domain 586155;1395909547;xdotcommer;then we can talk 586156;1395909584;xdotcommer;this is to niche ... its like reinventing linkedin 586157;1395909601;xdotcommer;bitcoin is mainstream 586158;1395909637;xdotcommer;registering with ircbot systems is not a step forward 586159;1395909655;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05440012 = 0.1088 BTC [-] 586160;1395909660;jurov;i prefer one can prove ownership of gpg key 586161;1395909673;jurov;domains can't be truly owned anyway 586162;1395909685;xdotcommer;granted I am cant think of anything better at the moment but this is not elegant 586163;1395909708;xdotcommer;i am honored to be one of "knuckleheads" 586164;1395909725;xdotcommer;yea when I am to wasted to produce code ill hit up irc for inspiration 586165;1395909729;jurov;elegant things are not good for anything, only to be fucked up 586166;1395909811;xdotcommer;its going mainstream http://www.coindesk.com/chamath-palihapitiya-bitcion-moving-past-amateur-hour/ 586167;1395909851;Apocalyptic;I like elegant women 586168;1395909868;xdotcommer;there was some hotties at the bar tonight for sure 586169;1395909882;jurov;Apocalyptic thx for supporting my point 586170;1395909890;Apocalyptic;heh 586171;1395909909;xdotcommer;there is no point... I am here cause wasted ur here cause bored 586172;1395909920;xdotcommer;no business being done 586173;1395909926;xdotcommer;no code being produced 586174;1395909937;jurov;but really.. what is elegeant in replacing wot with domains? 586175;1395909963;jurov;unless namecoin is used .. but then we're back to private keys anyway 586176;1395910003;xdotcommer;keys are not necessarily bad 586177;1395910509;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28006 @ 0.00093475 = 26.1786 BTC [-] {2} 586178;1395910570;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00093375 = 8.5905 BTC [-] 586179;1395910876;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5983 @ 0.0026331 = 15.7538 BTC [-] {12} 586180;1395911241;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 586181;1395911742;MisterE;wtf to do with private key 586182;1395911912;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 110 @ 0.07086819 = 7.7955 BTC [-] {12} 586183;1395911973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00093413 = 9.1545 BTC [+] 586184;1395912217;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00093679 = 22.3893 BTC [+] {2} 586185;1395912278;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07000001 = 0.35 BTC [-] 586186;1395912652;bounce;back it up. check eg paperkey. 586187;1395912888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5726 @ 0.00094092 = 5.3877 BTC [+] 586188;1395914047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04889988 = 0.1467 BTC [+] {2} 586189;1395914048;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05361002 = 0.1072 BTC [-] 586190;1395916060;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20635 @ 0.00094067 = 19.4107 BTC [-] {2} 586191;1395916121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4865 @ 0.00094137 = 4.5798 BTC [+] 586192;1395916731;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44129 @ 0.00094161 = 41.5523 BTC [+] {3} 586193;1395917890;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17171 @ 0.00094208 = 16.1765 BTC [+] 586194;1395918377;mircea_popescu;good moornin 586195;1395918434;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0faKka86xN4 586196;1395918435;ozbot;Good Morning ~ Singin' in the Rain (1952) Gene Kelly, Debbie Reynolds & Donald O'Connor - YouTube 586197;1395918439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13047 @ 0.00093704 = 12.2256 BTC [-] {2} 586198;1395918683;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 101 @ 0.00260062 = 0.2627 BTC [-] {2} 586199;1395918788;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/#comment-98724 586200;1395918789;ozbot;Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 586201;1395918789;mircea_popescu;zesepeople. 586202;1395918805;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14359 @ 0.00093537 = 13.431 BTC [-] {2} 586203;1395918866;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35221 @ 0.0009401 = 33.1113 BTC [+] {5} 586204;1395919156;ThickAsThieves;omg total log pollution 586205;1395919192;ThickAsThieves;tg2 is what? ChaangNoi? 586206;1395919216;ThickAsThieves;(i have you on ignore btw) 586207;1395919309;mircea_popescu;i doubt it. 586208;1395919346;mircea_popescu;goat can't manage to go through two hours without trying to suck up to someone, he's quite eastern. 586209;1395919476;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.10144642 = 2.0289 BTC [-] 586210;1395919494;ThickAsThieves;it was all the claims of riches that made me think so 586211;1395919512;ThickAsThieves;he's the only one i recall repeating how much he recently made of something 586212;1395919517;ThickAsThieves;off* 586213;1395919617;mircea_popescu;i believe that's a more common trait than felony. 586214;1395919694;cazalla;doesn't chaang come around here anymore (reading through logs, he's quite active last year) ?? 586215;1395919700;mircea_popescu;(before being repurposed by english to mean "criminal", felony denoted the behaviour of the overly-socially adaptable, they who go from inflexible grandeur in the presence of inferiors to abject suckupitude should any superiors show up. de funes in the gendarme series is a fine example) 586216;1395919720;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0058612 = 0.2931 BTC [-] {5} 586217;1395919721;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10246 @ 0.00093324 = 9.562 BTC [-] 586218;1395919781;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 330 @ 0.00577263 = 1.905 BTC [-] {13} 586219;1395920381;ThickAsThieves;https://internet.org.nz/ 586220;1395920391;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18595 @ 0.00094359 = 17.5461 BTC [+] {2} 586221;1395920486;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=600 586222;1395920496;ThickAsThieves;"However, tax treatment of Bitcoin as a property, and not a currency, may make compliance with tax laws unnecessarily cumbersome and imposes untenable recording and reporting requirements on its users. This is an unwelcome result for most bitcoin users, but is particularly detrimental to those that Bitcoin can help the most: small business and underbanked individuals. When it is used 586223;1395920496;ThickAsThieves;as a currency, Bitcoin should be a frictionless means of paying for goods and services. " 586224;1395920696;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6085 = 1.217 BTC [+] {2} 586225;1395920961;mircea_popescu;derp. 586226;1395920996;mircea_popescu;that thing should have read "We thought we knew better than MP, but we did not. We will now wear rough burlap on the skin for the next year as penace" 586227;1395921001;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16243 @ 0.00094395 = 15.3326 BTC [+] 586228;1395921163;ThickAsThieves;this video on the Internet Party site has some laughs 586229;1395921181;ThickAsThieves;mostly at the NZ pm's expense 586230;1395921251;VanCleef;kim dot com for teh win 586231;1395921647;mircea_popescu;the notion that nz has pms in the first place... 586232;1395922343;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.10144642 = 2.2318 BTC [-] 586233;1395922465;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 107 @ 0.10144642 = 10.8548 BTC [-] 586234;1395922892;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00094485 = 32.1249 BTC [+] {2} 586235;1395923019;davout;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW-oUXqomT0 586236;1395923020;ozbot;If bitcoins were around in the '90s... - YouTube 586237;1395923117;bounce;http://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.6676v1.pdf 586238;1395923136;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.07 = 2.59 BTC [-] {3} 586239;1395923680;dignork; 586240;1395923929;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 127 @ 0.00261 = 0.3315 BTC [+] 586241;1395924051;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07288924 = 0.2916 BTC [+] 586242;1395924621;chetty;http://www.thedailysheeple.com/man-arrested-for-public-consumption-of-iced-tea-urged-to-take-a-deal-from-prosecutors_032014 586243;1395924622;ozbot;Man Arrested for Public Consumption of Iced Tea Urged to Take a "Deal" from Prosecutors | The Daily 586244;1395924952;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/a-mental-problem/ 586245;1395924953;ozbot;A mental problem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 586246;1395925332;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00094481 = 7.5585 BTC [-] {2} 586247;1395925454;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2130 @ 0.00094425 = 2.0113 BTC [-] 586248;1395925515;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00261001 = 0.1984 BTC [+] 586249;1395925524;mircea_popescu;nanotube http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mircea_popescu&sign=ANY&type=RECV 586250;1395925541;mircea_popescu;why does it say "This user has not authenticated for more than 16156 days" ? i've authed like... yesterday 586251;1395925576;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 220 @ 0.00261 = 0.5742 BTC [-] 586252;1395925633;mircea_popescu;for that matter, otc hasn't existed for 16k days i would hope 586253;1395925759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3895 @ 0.00094406 = 3.6771 BTC [-] 586254;1395926064;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00094406 = 14.6329 BTC [-] 586255;1395926186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07000005 = 0.49 BTC [-] {3} 586256;1395926918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16611 @ 0.00094502 = 15.6977 BTC [+] {3} 586257;1395927119;moiety;mew 586258;1395927140;moiety;;; later tell asciilifeform MOTD http://imgur.com/1k3rZSf 586259;1395927140;gribble;The operation succeeded. 586260;1395927189;mircea_popescu;i heard manuls are now illegal in the united states. 586261;1395927367;mircea_popescu;http://thefreeonline.wordpress.com/2014/03/24/stop-the-evictions-55-banks-occupied-today-2/ 586262;1395927368;ozbot;STOP the evictions.. 55 Banks Occupied today!!!! | The Free 586263;1395927371;mircea_popescu;some of the pics quite lulzy. 586264;1395927377;chetty;http://blog.heritage.org/wp-content/uploads/redtape2014_FINAL.jpg 586265;1395927379;mircea_popescu;http://thefreeonline.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/antonio-pah-popular-edu-bayer_ediima20130726_0647_16.jpg like that one 586266;1395927444;MisterE;what is up with this dump? 586267;1395927448;moiety;that picture of bush is a cracker 586268;1395927478;moiety;mircea_popescu: i think some of them think its a parade 586269;1395927485;mircea_popescu;or something. 586270;1395927534;moiety;im glad manuls are illegal in the us, they dont have to deal with the gvt. also not naturally there so they should be left alone to survive as long as possible. 586271;1395927587;VanCleef;wow bitcoin prices are dropping alot, awesome 586272;1395927709;moiety;i think these ones are just protesting for legal weed...in front of a bank http://i.imgur.com/LjIWfvZ.png 586273;1395927711;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00261411 = 1.5685 BTC [+] {3} 586274;1395927736;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 586275;1395927737;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 530.0, Best ask: 531.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 530.01, 24 hour volume: 20457.00800923, 24 hour low: 521.3, 24 hour high: 592.0, 24 hour vwap: 557.384556905 586276;1395927747;mircea_popescu;it's been dropping ? 586277;1395927755;mircea_popescu;last i looked i recall it was also 550 586278;1395927796;VanCleef;yeh dropped to 521 on stamp 586279;1395927840;moiety;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-26747649 586280;1395927841;ozbot;BBC News - North Korea: Students required to get Kim Jong-un haircut 586281;1395927865;VanCleef;hehe yeh read thtat, tis funny 586282;1395927894;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00094272 = 1.6498 BTC [-] 586283;1395927903;mircea_popescu;i wonder what'll happen should kim herp-derp decide to shave his balls. 586284;1395927942;mircea_popescu;http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73817000/jpg/_73817643_mm00221184.jpg << this looks like a set from hair. 586285;1395927955;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.0026006 = 0.2991 BTC [-] {3} 586286;1395928010;VanCleef;i think he already does 586287;1395928077;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07288944 = 0.2916 BTC [+] 586288;1395928106;chetty;he has balls? 586289;1395928138;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00574449 = 0.5744 BTC [-] {7} 586290;1395928171;VanCleef;i hope he goes bald then every male has to have a bald haircut my hair is thinning so if i go bald too i am so moving to north korea because you'll be able to get all teh chicks as baldness becomes cool 586291;1395928199;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07288955 = 0.1458 BTC [+] 586292;1395928200;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05489775 = 0.3294 BTC [+] 586293;1395928201;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04791 = 0.2875 BTC [-] 586294;1395928233;chetty;bald is sexy 586295;1395928652;CheckDavid;Hey 586296;1395929053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9262 @ 0.00094272 = 8.7315 BTC [-] 586297;1395929114;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 90 @ 0.00421998 = 0.3798 BTC [-] {7} 586298;1395929236;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 89 @ 0.00410519 = 0.3654 BTC [-] {9} 586299;1395929326;mircea_popescu;ello 586300;1395929785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.07801016 = 0.234 BTC [-] 586301;1395929846;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.07801014 = 0.9361 BTC [-] {2} 586302;1395929968;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+] 586303;1395930395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6075 = 1.215 BTC [-] {2} 586304;1395930822;assbot;[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 432 @ 0.0025 = 1.08 BTC [+] 586305;1395930910;TomServo;http://bitbet.us/bet/793/bitcoin-to-drop-under-500-before-may/ 586306;1395930914;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $500 before May 586307;1395930917;TomServo;pretty quick swing there! 586308;1395931177;MykelSIlver;What is the Low on Bitstamp? 586309;1395931210;MykelSIlver;Seems it was breefly on $500 586310;1395931214;MykelSIlver;under 586311;1395931347;MykelSIlver;!last 586312;1395931347;assbot;I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly. 586313;1395931359;MykelSIlver;!help 586314;1395931359;assbot;List of commands: 586315;1395931360;assbot;!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} 586316;1395931361;assbot;!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} 586317;1395931362;assbot;!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) 586318;1395931363;assbot;!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} 586319;1395931364;assbot;!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} 586320;1395931365;assbot;!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com) 586321;1395931366;assbot;!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b} 586322;1395931367;assbot;!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} 586323;1395931393;MykelSIlver;!last bitstamp 586324;1395931393;assbot;I thought I told you not to touch me. 586325;1395931395;lnovy;505 afaik 586326;1395931403;TomServo;;;ticker 586327;1395931404;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 522.96, Best ask: 524.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.04000, Last trade: 522.96, 24 hour volume: 25859.58689375, 24 hour low: 505.0, 24 hour high: 588.01, 24 hour vwap: 548.210623289 586328;1395931409;MykelSIlver;thx 586329;1395931424;lnovy;but not for long :) 586330;1395931450;MykelSIlver;you wanna bet on that :-) ? 586331;1395931473;lnovy;i prefer to trade :) 586332;1395931480;MykelSIlver;cool 586333;1395931559;MykelSIlver;look like the next leg down 586334;1395931571;MykelSIlver;s 586335;1395931631;MykelSIlver;quite a support 586336;1395931634;MykelSIlver;atm 586337;1395931765;MykelSIlver;Neo is fighting Morpheus 586338;1395931902;tg2;Psa don't drink and post. Benkay is a good sport though for putting up with such trolling last night and still having patience after 586339;1395931947;tg2;Enough patience to write an article. :D 586340;1395931981;MykelSIlver;So http://bitbet.us/bet/793/bitcoin-to-drop-under-500-before-may/ is resolved soon? 586341;1395932082;TomServo;Resolves May 1st, unless it crosses sooner - the way I read it. 586342;1395932124;MykelSIlver;It can cross this hour 586343;1395932170;MykelSIlver;284 BTC to be sold on bitstamp according to rtbtc 586344;1395932188;MykelSIlver;oops 586345;1395932193;MykelSIlver;1530 586346;1395932195;MykelSIlver;BTC 586347;1395932209;MisterE;ltc is a bloodbath 586348;1395932229;MykelSIlver;great time for bottom pickers 586349;1395932242;MisterE;https://btc-e.com/exchange/ltc_usd 586350;1395932243;ozbot;loading 586351;1395932248;MisterE;I dont think we're there yet 586352;1395932280;tg2;Holy $14 586353;1395932299;tg2;irs decision needs a supreme court case to reverse 586354;1395932300;dexX7;lol wow via pm "Basically, I want to write some VB modules which can send bitcoin transactions. Of course, there aren't many examples out there how to do that. If we could talk on the telephone for 15 minutes, you'll save me about 3 days work." ... suuure 586355;1395932307;VanCleef;even 100$ is too expensive 586356;1395932332;jurov;!t m x.eur 586357;1395932332;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 7D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00214608 / 0.0025 (3831 shares, 8.22 BTC) 586358;1395932337;nubbins`;dexX7: so send 'em a quote for 3 days work 586359;1395932338;tg2;Can't have different government departments treating it differently to their preference 586360;1395932347;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60500011 BTC [-] 586361;1395932353;dexX7;wait. what was trilema's office number again? :D 586362;1395932364;nubbins`;HEH 586363;1395932369;tg2;Lol 586364;1395932375;nubbins`;i think you just type out the email address on the keypad 586365;1395932408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.60500002 = 5.445 BTC [-] {2} 586366;1395932457;VanCleef;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4 586367;1395932458;ozbot;The Doors - The End (original) - YouTube 586368;1395932469;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00570004 = 0.2451 BTC [+] {3} 586369;1395932479;dexX7;http://www.immersion-cooling.com/publications/Analysis_of_Large-Scale_Bitcoin_Mining_Operations.pdf 586370;1395932483;VanCleef;goes well while watching bitcoinwisdom 586371;1395932530;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00570002 = 0.1995 BTC [-] {2} 586372;1395932552;bounce;not exactly hard to get a sip did, even a free one. 586373;1395932591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 107 @ 0.00566334 = 0.606 BTC [-] {6} 586374;1395932628;nanotube;mircea_popescu: fixed thanks. :) 586375;1395932774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.10144642 = 0.8116 BTC [-] {2} 586376;1395932831;bounce;what're we going to see next, bitcoin mining container ships following low electricity prices around the globe? 586377;1395932835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56950 @ 0.00094339 = 53.7261 BTC [+] {3} 586378;1395932841;moiety;nubbins`: so, look what i found... http://colnect.com/en/coins/coin/36009-500_Manat_Pallas_Cat-Wildlife_Series-Turkmenistan they're in fiat already! 586379;1395932850;nubbins`;:o 586380;1395932855;punkman1;moiety: https://coinsboutique.com/content/silver-coins-manul-1-oz-silver-coin-antique-finish-mongolia-2014 586381;1395932887;moiety;oh dear god 586382;1395932897;moiety;thats... quite something punkman1! 586383;1395932916;moiety;my collection is growing! ty! 586384;1395932949;moiety;my site will be useless but fucking informative 586385;1395932957;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24650 @ 0.00094457 = 23.2837 BTC [+] {2} 586386;1395933018;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00094553 = 23.5437 BTC [+] {4} 586387;1395933031;moiety;that one has crystals in it too! :o 586388;1395933262;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00269314 = 0.2478 BTC [+] {4} 586389;1395933384;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17830 @ 0.00094228 = 16.8009 BTC [-] {2} 586390;1395933445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [-] 586391;1395933506;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2022 @ 0.00013797 = 0.279 BTC [+] {2} 586392;1395933614;nubbins`;the mongolian one is pretty sick 586393;1395933626;nubbins`;reminds me of the canadian owl coin 586394;1395933649;nubbins`;http://www.coinnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2014-Canadian-Snowy-Owl-Gold-and-Silver-Coins.jpg 586395;1395933689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 107 @ 0.04780965 = 5.1156 BTC [-] {6} 586396;1395933750;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [-] 586397;1395933751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00013797 = 0.2759 BTC [-] 586398;1395933802;dexX7;lol those coins are evil 586399;1395933987;nubbins`;i'm just looking at the new releases, they've got a coin with a frog made from venetian glass attached to it 586400;1395934005;nubbins`;http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Mjg0WDUxMw==/z/oeMAAOxyjxlTM3-u/$_2.JPG 586401;1395934053;dexX7;looks like it would break or fall off quickly 586402;1395934055;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.00271073 = 0.4337 BTC [+] {5} 586403;1395934083;nubbins`;my guess is there's an anchor protruding from the silver 586404;1395934129;punkman1;setting gems is not an unsolved problem 586405;1395934188;nubbins`;yeah, i'd be shocked to see it on a circulation coin 586406;1395934198;nubbins`;i guess for a numismatic, it doesn't have to be quite as sturdy 586407;1395934250;Namworld;I'm pretty sure it's meant to be on a display box 586408;1395934260;mircea_popescu;soo, the mpoe astrology department informs me that april the 20th, other than being orthodox easter, is also going to be a grand cross and the first of four blood moons. 586409;1395934264;mircea_popescu;sounds ominouis dunnit ? 586410;1395934279;Namworld;And not actively handled, so there's that. Should be fine. 586411;1395934281;jurov;it's catholic eater, too 586412;1395934287;jurov;*easter lol 586413;1395934288;Namworld;What the hell is a blood moon? 586414;1395934289;mircea_popescu;o it is ? 586415;1395934292;mircea_popescu;;;google blood moon 586416;1395934293;gribble;What is a Blood Moon? | Human World | EarthSky: <http://earthsky.org/space/what-is-a-blood-moon-lunar-eclipses-2014-2015>; Divine Sign for Israel? Hagee Explains Blood Moons - Inside Israel ...: <http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2014/February/Divine-Sign-for-Israel-Hagee-Explains-Blood-Moons/>; Blood-moons fallout: NASA goes hiding - WorldNetDaily: (1 more message) 586417;1395934301;mircea_popescu;nanotube nono, ty :) 586418;1395934315;Mats_cd03;well thats going to look awesome when im baked 586419;1395934349;mircea_popescu;MykelSIlver did it cross ? 586420;1395934357;MykelSIlver;nope 586421;1395934360;VanCleef;baked? isn't that illegal? 586422;1395934360;MykelSIlver;;;ticker 586423;1395934361;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 528.81, Best ask: 529.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 529.0, 24 hour volume: 29481.45338267, 24 hour low: 505.0, 24 hour high: 587.5, 24 hour vwap: 544.928762099 586424;1395934362;VanCleef;:P 586425;1395934364;Namworld;I call that a "Look, the moon is fucking brown-orange." 586426;1395934376;MykelSIlver;505.0 still LOD 586427;1395934391;mike_c;please ask the astrology dept what the lucky lotto numbers are for a cancer under such conditions. 586428;1395934421;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00093723 = 2.0619 BTC [-] 586429;1395934426;MykelSIlver;must be a miracle if this was the Low till May 586430;1395934451;mircea_popescu;mike_c aite! 586431;1395934465;Mats_cd03;depends what jurisdiction youre in VanCleef 586432;1395934512;mircea_popescu;mike_c 12 13 22 54 59 63 586433;1395934520;mike_c;sweet, i'm gunna be rich 586434;1395934530;mircea_popescu;watch the dood actually win the powerball or some shit. 586435;1395934538;jurov;you forgot to ask which lotto 586436;1395934562;jurov;and for one i'm wondering what's the "grand cross" 586437;1395934563;dexX7;505 oh noez... i guess no more hookers and blow till the tide shifts again ;) 586438;1395934573;mircea_popescu;;;google grand cross 586439;1395934573;gribble;Grand Cross - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Cross>; Grand cross (astrology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_cross_(astrology)>; The Cardinal Grand Cross - April 2014 | - Lua Astrology: <http://www.leahwhitehorse.com/2014/01/07/cardinal-grand-cross-april-2014/> 586440;1395934582;Mats_cd03;those are weak numbers... go for broke, 4 18 15 16 23 42 586441;1395934589;asciilifeform;i never learned so much about lottos as when researching trng. 586442;1395934609;nubbins`;<mircea_popescu> soo, the mpoe astrology department informs me that april the 20th, other than being orthodox easter, is also going to be a grand cross and the first of four blood moons. <<< it's also 420 CARL SAGAN BLAZE IT YO 586443;1395934610;Mats_cd03;(Lost reference if i left anybody behind) 586444;1395934715;Mats_cd03;http://i.imgur.com/w4CLJ8r.jpg 586445;1395934742;dexX7;lol 586446;1395934749;nubbins`;http://www.reddit.com/r/circlejerk/comments/15kcsd/til_a_dying_carl_sagans_last_words_were_literally/ 586447;1395934750;ozbot;TIL a dying Carl Sagan's last words were literally "420 blaze it, Faggot." He whispered them to his 586448;1395934754;asciilifeform;http://www.chron.com/jobs/article/Police-Bryan-worker-gets-accidental-huge-4753063.php 586449;1395934761;MisterE;those are the numbers from lost 586450;1395934791;asciilifeform;'...officials at Texas Steel Conversion mistakenly issued Cesar Jaime Saldivar a paycheck for $99,275, and now they want it back. Saldivar, 25, who was captured on video making a large cash withdrawal, has been charged with felony theft...' 586451;1395934827;dexX7;wow 586452;1395934830;mircea_popescu;lol 586453;1395934842;mircea_popescu;nice mug on him 586454;1395934850;MisterE;stupid people do stupid 586455;1395934855;MisterE;same happened to GF's sister 586456;1395934861;MisterE;deposited an extra month's salaruy 586457;1395934890;MisterE;she went out and spent it all and tried to play it off when they cam calling, silly Asians, she was paying it off for ages 586458;1395934893;nubbins`;so will the government give back the $38k in taxes? 586459;1395934902;mircea_popescu;sure, in 2023 586460;1395934907;mircea_popescu;just as soon as the supreme court rules it must. 586461;1395934970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07288954 = 0.2187 BTC [-] 586462;1395935041;asciilifeform;this is a good educational story re: fiat. 586463;1395935063;nubbins`;even if someone gives it to you, it's not necessarily yours 586464;1395935071;nubbins`;imagine 586465;1395935080;nubbins`;also, the price of bitcoin 586466;1395935082;nubbins`;imagine! 586467;1395935123;asciilifeform;re: mircea_popescu's thoughts the other day about bank accounts being mandatory in u.s. - typically, when you sign up for direct deposit of salary here, you also sign a pact that allows the employer to withdraw. 586468;1395935130;asciilifeform;officially limited to cases like this 586469;1395935132;nubbins`;:o 586470;1395935137;mircea_popescu;myeah. 586471;1395935183;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also allows the BANK to withdraw 586472;1395935187;mircea_popescu;for any reason whatsoever. 586473;1395935195;chetty;gubermint in US also push to direct deposit of things like social security 586474;1395935197;MisterE;There's something even worse than fiat though 586475;1395935198;MisterE;Paypal 586476;1395935208;mircea_popescu;such as, to cover its own shortfall, or as directed by a frient of its (such as a regulator, without a court order) or in any other case. 586477;1395935272;asciilifeform;this, however, is known to everyone 586478;1395935300;asciilifeform;(it has become almost traditional to confiscate the bank account of the accused, so he cannot pay for lawyers) 586479;1395935377;mircea_popescu;it's really the fundamental principle that allowed the MF Global debacle. 586480;1395935383;asciilifeform;in usa, nothing is actually yours unless it is small enough to run away with. 586481;1395935442;mircea_popescu;that, and bitcoin. 586482;1395935455;asciilifeform;that'd be 'small enough', sure 586483;1395935458;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18328 @ 0.00093723 = 17.1776 BTC [-] 586484;1395935496;asciilifeform;carefully specified 'run away' - because, e.g. 'dpr' appears to have been successfully rectothermed. 586485;1395935508;mircea_popescu;maybe. 586486;1395935523;mircea_popescu;a more persuasive theory is that the usg used this opportunity to launder its own mining proceeds. 586487;1395935528;asciilifeform;lol 586488;1395935596;MisterE;it's probably already CIA's favorite way to fund the covert trouble it starts 586489;1395935610;asciilifeform;that would line up nicely with 'he had XXX but there's still XXXXX that we haven't rectothermed out' 586490;1395935620;mircea_popescu;early on, noob of-counsel had realised title'd be iffy but hadn't yet realised title will be challenged. 586491;1395935637;mircea_popescu;so they tried something along the lines of what seems a meanwhile abandoned project to inject title 586492;1395935645;Mats_cd03;the nonzero percentage of intelligence types involved in bitcoin makes my stomach turn 586493;1395935672;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 why ? 586494;1395935674;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: if you want to leave meat in the sun and no flies, you will have to go to the arctic. 586495;1395935683;joecool;^ 586496;1395935685;mircea_popescu;intelligence types are better company than almost any other class 586497;1395935691;mircea_popescu;except whores, maybe. 586498;1395935715;Mats_cd03;many people in the intel field ive become acquainted with 586499;1395935722;mircea_popescu;hahahaha 586500;1395935723;Mats_cd03;are dumb as shit 586501;1395935729;lnovy;:D 586502;1395935736;mircea_popescu;that was pretty good. 586503;1395935746;Mats_cd03;aspiring super spy types and idiots that think they know something 586504;1395935758;asciilifeform;nsa vs. 'meta-nsa' 586505;1395935760;Mats_cd03;kind of like bitcoin really 586506;1395935768;mircea_popescu;what's next, most thieves i've met in jail weren't all that good at it ? 586507;1395935779;chetty;jajajaja 586508;1395935783;joecool;mircea_popescu: you were in jail? 586509;1395935787;MisterE;heh yea, they regularly parade through ##security 586510;1395935794;mircea_popescu;joecool not yet. 586511;1395935799;MisterE;get ther hats handed to them and move on 586512;1395935819;Mats_cd03;people that have spent time working in military intelligence are the worst 586513;1395935823;asciilifeform;my secret hope is to meet the interesting ones some day. although it will probably be before my firing squad. 586514;1395935842;Mats_cd03;probably something to do with how low the barrier to entry is for military types... 586515;1395935862;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform intelligence doesn't kill people, bureaucracies kill people. 586516;1395935868;asciilifeform;ever hear the saying 'see Naples and die' ? 586517;1395935883;MisterE;military prefers and promotes non-thinkers 586518;1395935897;MisterE;by nature it's not a meritocracy 586519;1395935915;Mats_cd03;in my experience thats only half true 586520;1395935922;asciilifeform;intelligence doesn't kill people << certainly. this goes back centuries - e.g. inquisitor would hand the heretic over to the 'secular arm' for processing. 586521;1395935934;Mats_cd03;the american military is pretty good at straddling the line 586522;1395935939;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform inasmuch as you know who he was, he wasn't intel. 586523;1395935946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.42768314 BTC to 4`834 shares, 50221 satoshi per share 586524;1395935987;asciilifeform;competent burglar can trip over a miraculous surprise and end in jail 586525;1395935991;asciilifeform;the sapper errs once. 586526;1395936007;Mats_cd03;as far as training for platoon leaders go... us .mil excels at meritocracy, at least during a deployment in an area with modest insurgent populations 586527;1395936009;MisterE;so does the covert op 586528;1395936010;asciilifeform;you know who he was, he wasn't intel << so not necessarily. 586529;1395936050;mircea_popescu;ya but ya know what i mean 586530;1395936052;Mats_cd03;basically a trial by fire for the tactically inept 586531;1395936061;mircea_popescu;never saw a spy with a title. 586532;1395936067;mircea_popescu;which reminds me of a seinfeld bit : 586533;1395936103;mircea_popescu;JERRY: I got ripped off for about the...18th time? And now, the first couple a times you go through it, its very upsetting and your first reaction or one of your friends will say, Call the police. You really should call the police. So you think to yourself, you know, you watch TV, you think, Yeah, Im calling the police. Stakeouts, manhunts... Im gonna see some real action. Right, you think that. So 586534;1395936103;mircea_popescu;, the police come over to your house, they fill out: The Report. They give you: Your Copy. Now, unless they give the crook his copy, I dont really think were gonna crack this case, do you? Its not like Batman, where theres three crooks in the city and everybody pretty much knows, who they are. Very few crooks even go to the trouble to come up with a theme for their careers anymore. It makes them a lot tough 586535;1395936104;mircea_popescu;er to spot. Did you lose a sony? It could be the Penguin. I think we can round him up, hes dressed like a PENGUIN! We can find him, hes a PENGUIN! 586536;1395936116;Mats_cd03;inevitably though, leaders lose their creativity by the time they become flag officers 586537;1395936150;Mats_cd03;but its usually lost by the time they make major 586538;1395936158;Mats_cd03;too much time flying a desk 586539;1395936168;asciilifeform;'mahogany bomber' 586540;1395936176;asciilifeform;(to the british) 586541;1395936269;Mats_cd03;whats worse is mustangs in the system are discouraged by design 586542;1395936295;asciilifeform;re: burglars: everyone who gets burgled quickly learns j. e. hoover's lesson 'justice is incidental to law and order' 586543;1395936313;Mats_cd03;mustangs: former enlisted that received a commission and are now officers (e.g. lieutenant) 586544;1395936336;MisterE;Mats_cd03: they know all they will need soon are an army of kids controlling bots in a video game like theater 586545;1395936359;Mats_cd03;so the best warfighters and leaders of this generation are rapidly being replaced by... high school seniors 586546;1395936362;MisterE;hell drone program is enough for all but a stupid occupation like Iraq 586547;1395936369;MisterE;yea 586548;1395936413;asciilifeform;can't wait for 'we didn't mean to demolish XXX. bot got hacked.' 586549;1395936423;Mats_cd03;and thats all the ranting i have for this morning 586550;1395936434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00093514 = 2.4781 BTC [-] 586551;1395936434;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.04777125 = 0.3822 BTC [-] {3} 586552;1395936435;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.05484888 = 0.4388 BTC [-] {3} 586553;1395936436;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.10144642 = 0.8116 BTC [-] {3} 586554;1395936477;asciilifeform;(better excuse than the 'targeting error' that demolished the chinese embassy in belgrade. the one that happened to contain the pieces of the 'stealth' machine.) 586555;1395936495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.0475 = 0.665 BTC [-] 586556;1395936523;tg2;Oops our gross incompetence lead to this duration but it's really somebody elses fault 586557;1395936536;tg2;itt: every exchange in the last year 586558;1395936637;tg2;Hackers/transaction maleability/bots 586559;1395936655;nubbins`;bitcoin is like an early prototype airplane 586560;1395936686;nubbins`;people say "i want to fly!" and they run after it, grabbing onto the wheels, not realizing the effect their dead weight will have on it 586561;1395936714;asciilifeform;airlines regularly find stowaways in landing gear shafts, dead of asphyxiation and frost 586562;1395936722;asciilifeform;there is definitely a parallel here. 586563;1395936723;nubbins`;right 586564;1395936738;nubbins`;the question is whether the airplanes will reach the point where the landing gear kills people 586565;1395936749;nubbins`;before the rest of the fleet crashes and burns 586566;1395936760;nubbins`;it's a race, i tell ya 586567;1395936783;Mats_cd03;well, i hope you'll all be in here when it happens 586568;1395936785;asciilifeform;to run with the analogy, the plane in question doesn't notice the idiot in the gear well at all. 586569;1395936792;mircea_popescu;this notion that children can somehow, with a lot of shaving paste and stilts, stand up to adults is laughable. 586570;1395936814;mircea_popescu;no high school senior hauled up in a basement is EVER going to be a soldier, 586571;1395936818;mircea_popescu;or matter in this wolrd. 586572;1395937131;benkay;good shwarma 586573;1395937152;benkay;xdotcommer: domains as identification? are you pulling my leg or pulling my leg? 586574;1395937167;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61888 = 2.4755 BTC [+] 586575;1395937173;nubbins`;wow, winds near Gros Morne exceeded 200km/h last night 586576;1395937182;xdotcommer;benkay: just telling you how it works... if its a popular site you know then guy aint going to runk with your 2K 586577;1395937188;Mats_cd03;pgp is too complicated, man 586578;1395937200;xdotcommer;pgp is pretty good 586579;1395937205;benkay;tellin me how it works 586580;1395937209;Mats_cd03;theres like, cryptography, and hashes, and stuff 586581;1395937221;benkay;i don't care about the 2k 586582;1395937222;xdotcommer;Mats_cd03: moar keywords please 586583;1395937231;asciilifeform;whichever british gentleman said 'those who do not have time for exercise will have to find time for disease' 586584;1395937234;asciilifeform;applies to pgp 586585;1395937234;benkay;i care about someone impersonating you. 586586;1395937271;benkay;xdotcommer seems to be exercising to look cool 586587;1395937281;benkay;he says is doesn't work like we think it does 586588;1395937296;asciilifeform;'those who do not have time for pgp will have to find time for being pwned' 586589;1395937342;benkay;those who took the time to pgp are still getting soldering irons in the tuchus. 586590;1395937389;xdotcommer;You guys are preaching to the choir I am all for this pgp stuff ... just was hard to figure out after night of boozing 586591;1395937403;asciilifeform;'hang for a sheep as well as a lamb' 586592;1395937410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6049 @ 0.00012478 = 0.7548 BTC [-] {4} 586593;1395937411;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 634 @ 0.00260018 = 1.6485 BTC [-] {8} 586594;1395937414;xdotcommer;was here last night http://www.startupdrinksmontreal.com/ 586595;1395937427;benkay;fartup scene 586596;1395937440;nubbins`;ah, that other guy was going on about that last night 586597;1395937441;benkay;sweet taste of ideas 586598;1395937455;xdotcommer;benkay: free berr 586599;1395937469;nubbins`;said something about how he goes there and pitches people's ideas back to them, making them weep when confronted with their own stupidity 586600;1395937471;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4387 @ 0.00012445 = 0.546 BTC [-] {7} 586601;1395937474;xdotcommer;benkay: portland is not the only place with a startup theme 586602;1395937489;benkay;nope its unique 586603;1395937501;benkay;*plugs ears, sings* 586604;1395937516;Mats_cd03;if portland is anything like portlandia, it needs to be set afire from orbit 586605;1395937527;Mats_cd03;(i got netflix recently) 586606;1395937532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00012423 = 0.2485 BTC [-] {4} 586607;1395937541;benkay;don't believe everything hollywood tells you 586608;1395937561;Mats_cd03;hollywood is the one pure truth 586609;1395937586;xdotcommer;This guys is like the local legend http://www.meetup.com/googleMTL/events/171743832/ 586610;1395937588;benkay;idiot drivers is actually a thing, although that's more because perverse regulation. 586611;1395937593;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 542 @ 0.00043965 = 0.2383 BTC [-] {8} 586612;1395937612;xdotcommer;Le CryptoCat 586613;1395937622;asciilifeform;'Encryption in the Browser' << satan preserve us 586614;1395937643;benkay;cryptocat was broken by design, right? 586615;1395937645;asciilifeform;hasn't 'Cryptocat' already fucked its public goat? 586616;1395937649;benkay;what is he still doing talking about crypto? 586617;1395937652;xdotcommer;asciilifeform: does not hurt to try 586618;1395937654;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 948 @ 0.00042231 = 0.4003 BTC [-] {7} 586619;1395937655;asciilifeform;how is bob still bridge-builder 586620;1395937655;mircea_popescu;either that or designed by the broken 586621;1395937677;mircea_popescu;xdotcommer apparently you've not tried a great many things. 586622;1395937713;benkay;last year city council passed some rules about how pedestrians can walk out into the street and demand the right of way 586623;1395937714;xdotcommer;mircea_popescu: I did not mean for me... if the guy wants to do encryption in the browser ... I say let him go for it 586624;1395937731;mircea_popescu;im starting to understand something. if we manage to not turn into wikipedia within a decade we'll have actually accomplished an amazing feat. 586625;1395937731;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 586626;1395937752;mircea_popescu;xdotcommer well sure. but in the same sense, if the twelve year old wants to have twins, let her ? 586627;1395937773;xdotcommer;mircea_popescu: depends in which country I guess 586628;1395937776;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2990 @ 0.00011621 = 0.3475 BTC [-] {7} 586629;1395937788;mircea_popescu;or whose twelve year old, but yeah. 586630;1395937793;mike_c;if the three 19 year old CSS developers want to open an options exchange.. 586631;1395937811;mircea_popescu;mike_c how did that thing settle down in the end ? "bitcoin's fault" ? 586632;1395937817;xdotcommer;mircea_popescu: and in which time/space as well years ago childbirth at 12 was not uncommon 586633;1395937834;benkay;if the 'crypto enthusiasiast' wants to build crypto humans use... 586634;1395937837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00525234 = 0.5252 BTC [-] {4} 586635;1395937854;mike_c;i don't think it was bitcoin, it was some altcoin 586636;1395937881;mircea_popescu;unrelatredly, http://24.media.tumblr.com/8d05d63b08beb33ad107aeed77d7c253/tumblr_mly580FwEY1s84s3eo1_1280.jpg 586637;1395937905;blackwhite;https://stripe.com/bitcoin 586638;1395937906;ozbot;Stripe: Bitcoin 586639;1395937910;Mats_cd03;mmm looks like california 586640;1395937938;xdotcommer;is there a way to streamline web of trust to the browser or its IRC only? 586641;1395937958;mircea_popescu;xdotcommer what are you trying to do ? 586642;1395937958;Mats_cd03;what? 586643;1395937959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00011051 = 0.5526 BTC [-] {3} 586644;1395937975;mircea_popescu;mike_c https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=536511.msg5917607#msg5917607 586645;1395937977;mircea_popescu;it's been replaced. 586646;1395938008;benkay;;;gettrust mircea_popescu 586647;1395938009;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011 586648;1395938015;benkay;xdotcommer: there's already internet. 586649;1395938018;benkay;make a form. 586650;1395938025;benkay;have it post to irc 586651;1395938027;benkay;ain't that hard 586652;1395938028;xdotcommer;market place (ebay) using same gpg 586653;1395938070;xdotcommer;looks like it wont be too hard 586654;1395938076;benkay;ron gilad 586655;1395938081;benkay;https://www.google.com/search?q=runner+ron+gilad&espv=210&es_sm=91&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=q1I0U_aVJci8oQTev4KoCw&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=1244&bih=679&dpr=2 586656;1395938093;the20year3;I'm publishing the announcement shortly, but RentalStarter will be acquiring CryptoREI and thus add a North Carolina branch to our business. 586657;1395938093;benkay;seventies art is cool again? 586658;1395938112;xdotcommer;benkay: is that a portland artist of some sort? 586659;1395938121;dexX7;benkay: webform posting to irc.. sounds fishy 586660;1395938126;the20year3;We will also begin our 2nd tranche on Monday the 31st at .0075btc/share. 586661;1395938132;benkay;wait a sec let me google that for you xdotcommer 586662;1395938134;dexX7;but very related: www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEmO7wQKCMw 586663;1395938166;mike_c;good thing they opened up new TLDs or these cryptoexchanges would have run out of doman names by now. 586664;1395938196;bounce;veryexchange.sexy 586665;1395938199;mircea_popescu;the20year3 that should be interesting. 586666;1395938220;the20year3;I think so 586667;1395938231;benkay;xdotcommer: still need help with google? 586668;1395938242;VanCleef;how will u sell them at 0075? 586669;1395938247;mircea_popescu;ideally publish it as something readable, btw. 586670;1395938253;benkay;anyways, new york, like most good artists. 586671;1395938257;VanCleef;you will buy up the 0.005's? 586672;1395938260;xdotcommer;benkay: http://www.rongilad.com/ 586673;1395938268;benkay;oh you found it! 586674;1395938270;benkay;good for you. 586675;1395938324;VanCleef;the20year3 586676;1395938367;the20year3;? 586677;1395938377;the20year3;VanCleef: i should, but i have no BTC in HL 586678;1395938403;benkay;!t h rent 586679;1395938404;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.005265 / 0.00532521 (121 shares, 0.63706440 BTC), 7D: 0.00520970 / 0.00541285 / 0.00563480 (2353 shares, 12.73643556 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00556201 / 0.00900001 (46756 shares, 260.05711417 BTC) 586680;1395938415;VanCleef;hmmm so how will you be able to sell at 0,0075? 586681;1395938432;benkay;you're going to sell more for .0075 when they're already on the market for 0.0053? 586682;1395938446;the20year3;HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075 586683;1395938451;benkay;WHAT 586684;1395938454;mircea_popescu;wait what ?! 586685;1395938457;benkay;haha 586686;1395938462;benkay;you've done it now, boyo 586687;1395938462;VanCleef;WHAT?! 586688;1395938463;the20year3;That's what HL does on all future rounds 586689;1395938466;mircea_popescu;obviously someone that owns shares can sell at any price they want. 586690;1395938466;pankkake;usual havelock practice yes 586691;1395938473;the20year3;They did it with PETA 586692;1395938481;mircea_popescu;but it's... fraudulent ? 586693;1395938491;the20year3;according to the policies on HL's site? 586694;1395938495;pankkake;did it with CBTC too 586695;1395938502;benkay;does this not strike you as a gross breach of free market principles, the20year3 ? 586696;1395938520;the20year3;Would it be free market if i went in and bought up all the shares below .0075? 586697;1395938524;benkay;yes. 586698;1395938531;the20year3;maybe i should do that then 586699;1395938544;benkay;too bad you don't have the cash. 586700;1395938558;mircea_popescu;but wait. someone buys some shares 586701;1395938558;benkay;;;gettrust the20year3 586702;1395938559;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user the20year3: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=the20year3 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year3 | Rated since: never 586703;1395938563;mircea_popescu;and then they're not allowed to sell them anymore ? 586704;1395938565;benkay;;;gettrust the20year 586705;1395938565;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: never 586706;1395938571;mircea_popescu;what sort of nonsense is this ? 586707;1395938575;Mats_cd03;lol 586708;1395938583;the20year3;As per my understanding they can sell after the 2nd round finishes, the same deal with the 1st round 586709;1395938588;benkay;once again, never do business outside the wot 586710;1395938590;mircea_popescu;i mean it's like a spiral of web scammy for that place. 586711;1395938591;Mats_cd03;does this sort of thing even have a name? 586712;1395938598;benkay;holy fuck monsters 586713;1395938600;mircea_popescu;the20year3 but the round can last indefinitely. 586714;1395938604;benkay;you people have no conscience. 586715;1395938614;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 yeah, "internet fraud" basically. 586716;1395938646;asciilifeform;does this sort of thing even have a name << chumpatron. 586717;1395938647;the20year3;I don't think they're allowed to have an indefinite 2nd round, from my understanding we were required to have a set 2nd round 586718;1395938653;the20year3;Otherwise the fund becomes illiquid 586719;1395938656;Mats_cd03;oh, i thought there might be a flighty finance term 586720;1395938670;Mats_cd03;im also baked out of my mind on pure gold 586721;1395938670;pankkake;can't you simply put a sell order of new shares? 586722;1395938673;mircea_popescu;the20year3 at any point you may seriously consider your involvement in this scheme may actually result in criminal charges. 586723;1395938706;Apocalyptic;pankkake, one does not simply sell shares on havelock 586724;1395938709;mircea_popescu;topace is nutty enough to imagine he's going to escape through some fraudulent sale to a panama front, 586725;1395938719;the20year3;what do you mean pankkake 586726;1395938724;mircea_popescu;but you should be somewhat more responsible, seeing how you're tied down to real estate. 586727;1395938752;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 643 @ 0.00532521 = 3.4241 BTC [+] 586728;1395938753;pankkake;I mean do your second round on the open market, not on havelock special IPO feature 586729;1395938780;the20year3;That's a possibility too 586730;1395938789;mircea_popescu;pankkake well other than it'll likely never generate any capital, it would resolve the problem yes. 586731;1395938804;topace;im not sure where you are getting this information 586732;1395938807;topace;but it is not correct 586733;1395938831;mircea_popescu;the general fate to people telling me my information is not correct is aptly represented by one trendon shavers. 586734;1395938874;topace;[12:40:35] <the20year3> HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075 586735;1395938877;topace;^ is what i was referring to 586736;1395938886;topace;the platform does not suspend orders below certain thresholds 586737;1395938889;the20year3;I may be wrong then 586738;1395938894;CheckDavid;You guys trade stocks of companies on these exchanges right with or without the need for personal identification? 586739;1395938903;mike_c;so enlighten us, how does a 2nd round ipo at a higher price than the market price work? 586740;1395938903;mircea_popescu;"They did it with PETA" " did it with CBTC too" ? 586741;1395938904;benkay;the20year3: it is staggering that you don't understand your own issuances. 586742;1395938908;mircea_popescu;seemed uncontroversial. 586743;1395938915;the20year3;RS is based primarily on USD and not BTC 586744;1395938918;benkay;topace: how is this next round at 0.0075 working? 586745;1395938928;the20year3;USD price is the same at .0075 as it was when we did the last round at .0055 586746;1395938930;benkay;it's popcorn week! 586747;1395938941;asciilifeform;what is 'rental starter' co. anyway 586748;1395938941;mircea_popescu;benkay he's unrepresented, basically. doesn't have an ib/underwriter/anything. 586749;1395938942;topace;next round of what ? 586750;1395938952;benkay;mircea_popescu: i know. 586751;1395938953;topace;(remember, im no longer involved in running the exchange) 586752;1395938960;VanCleef;my penis just got a bit hard 586753;1395938970;the20year3;how so VanCleef? 586754;1395938973;benkay;well then how can you make any claims about what can or cannot happen on the exchange, topace? 586755;1395938977;mike_c;next "tranche" of RENT shares is going to be sold at 75, but market price is 53. 586756;1395938985;topace;because i wrote the code 586757;1395938993;benkay;and it couldn't possible have changed 586758;1395938994;*;VanCleef gives it a flick 586759;1395938994;topace;there's no "you cant place orders below 0.0075 in the code" 586760;1395939009;benkay;possibly. 586761;1395939024;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/e6dc76047ffec4f107c5d9e99de80c14/tumblr_ml1px0eVbl1sn68hmo1_1280.jpg 586762;1395939035;mike_c;so what, the block of shares is just released at the same time that open market trading continues? 586763;1395939037;benkay;wd 586764;1395939053;benkay;massive sell wall at 0.0075 that never gets eaten? 586765;1395939057;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05484888 = 0.2742 BTC [-] 586766;1395939058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.00562729 = 0.2363 BTC [+] {2} 586767;1395939071;mircea_popescu;benkay well, maybe it does get eaten eventually. 586768;1395939073;Mats_cd03;i am not aroused mircea_popescu 586769;1395939076;mircea_popescu;likely not right now 586770;1395939093;the20year3;I don't think they can put in an indefinite sell wall , and at any rate there's no reason for us to fundraise past $1.5m USD 586771;1395939094;topace;im sorry i can only comment on what i see on the site, i dont see a new tranche? 586772;1395939103;benkay;mircea_popescu: explain it like i'm at least twelve 586773;1395939105;the20year3;It's starting Monday around noon 586774;1395939121;mike_c;asciilifeform: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT they buy houses in ohio and rent them out. 586775;1395939130;benkay;topace: you can't make any claims about the code they're running if you can't make any claims about the code they're running. 586776;1395939144;mircea_popescu;benkay dat ambiguous status. 586777;1395939175;benkay;the bet would be does the wall get eaten or rentalstarter fall apart first 586778;1395939182;benkay;fall apart/delist/get indicted 586779;1395939218;benkay;who knows - maybe there's three more months of going short btc via rent 586780;1395939332;mircea_popescu;kind-of a pity in that a well managed business on those lines makes some sense. 586781;1395939336;VanCleef;anyone heard fromsfi lately? 586782;1395939339;VanCleef;sfi 586783;1395939347;VanCleef;or didthey just do a runner? 586784;1395939362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 210 @ 0.0026 = 0.546 BTC [-] {2} 586785;1395939400;benkay;the20year3: do please explain precisely how this new tranche is working 586786;1395939406;benkay;bring an underwriter or someone who understands 586787;1395939423;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 402 @ 0.0004088 = 0.1643 BTC [-] 586788;1395939494;mircea_popescu;VanCleef i have no idea, were they due a report or something ? 586789;1395939545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0056274 = 0.1688 BTC [+] 586790;1395939589;mike_c;^ heh. "rent shares rose on news that they will soon be forced to be worth 0.0075 btc" 586791;1395939597;asciilifeform;mike_c: if only this existed in my town (and, run by something other than scammers) 586792;1395939607;VanCleef;i dont know just haven't heard from them since 586793;1395939651;mike_c;asciilifeform: well, no strong indications that it is run by scammers. just that they don't understand their relationship with havelock very well.. 586794;1395939652;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently ohio or w/e this one is has very advantageous economics for this business 586795;1395939672;benkay;they're crossing the wires though 586796;1395939679;mircea_popescu;which incidentally begs the question, why a merger with someone in a diff market ? does it benefit from equally good economics ? 586797;1395939683;benkay;cannot touch both fiat and crypto at once 586798;1395939686;asciilifeform;has very advantageous economics for this << how's that 586799;1395939692;VanCleef;i think he should just sell the shares for 0.008 instead 586800;1395939702;mircea_popescu;much of rent is predicated on its operator familiarirt with the field, that doesn't seem to translate too well across a geographic distance 586801;1395939709;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform very low land values / high rents. 586802;1395939742;asciilifeform;quite the same here. and yet, i've been trying and failing to rent a house for ages. 586803;1395939774;mircea_popescu;its been discussed in teh at some point coupla months ago, i don't recall the specifics 586804;1395939785;asciilifeform;to be fair, it is a little bit from the peculiar conditions where i live. most of the rentals are geared for students, and are gigantic, divided into rooms. 586805;1395939878;ThickAsThieves;<the20year3> HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075 //// dafuck? 586806;1395939887;VanCleef;woohoo 586807;1395939890;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves do they actually do this as ppl claim or not ? 586808;1395939891;VanCleef;buy now 586809;1395939892;benkay;welcome to this morning, ThickAsThieves 586810;1395939898;ThickAsThieves;i dont think it can be done 586811;1395939903;ThickAsThieves;more likely, 586812;1395939915;ThickAsThieves;is the tranche will be sold through "IPO" feature 586813;1395939926;ThickAsThieves;where there is no orderbook 586814;1395939929;mike_c;topace said it can't, but also that he isn't involved so he doesn't know. 586815;1395939930;blackwhite;https://www.onename.io/ 586816;1395939935;Mats_cd03;i think the confusion here lays with the recent depreciation of btc/usd and the capital RS actually needs to be denominated in usd 586817;1395939939;ThickAsThieves;now if HL shuts down normal trading during that... 586818;1395939950;asciilifeform;in the u.s. in general, people with money (but not quite a 'fortune') who want to rent something nice vs. playing debt games, are a bit of an under-served market. 586819;1395939951;ThickAsThieves;that would effectively recreate the situation you are going for 586820;1395939962;ThickAsThieves;but it's a fucked up proposition 586821;1395939997;benkay;no shit 586822;1395940004;ThickAsThieves;i see no reason to disrupt the live orderbook 586823;1395940010;ThickAsThieves;it's listed, it's live 586824;1395940015;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect that ties into my "dual currency" earlier : 586825;1395940026;mircea_popescu;people with money, actual money, are underserved because not part of bezzle. 586826;1395940048;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i can see some reasons... 586827;1395940067;ThickAsThieves;well... 586828;1395940079;benkay;IT'S ALL A SCAM 586829;1395940083;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm paid in perfectly ordinary u.s. bezzlars 586830;1395940098;KRS-One;heh 586831;1395940120;VanCleef;3 chinese bitcoiners were executed today 586832;1395940128;benkay;link, VanCleef ? 586833;1395940144;VanCleef;jokes 586834;1395940150;KRS-One;lies 586835;1395940150;benkay;;;ticker 586836;1395940151;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 520.06, Best ask: 526.96, Bid-ask spread: 6.90000, Last trade: 520.06, 24 hour volume: 33543.19632708, 24 hour low: 505.0, 24 hour high: 587.49, 24 hour vwap: 540.479270299 586837;1395940155;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00093745 = 16.2648 BTC [+] {2} 586838;1395940159;VanCleef;thenext china rumor ;) 586839;1395940164;benkay;bitstamp's running fractional too, right? 586840;1395940174;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure you are, because they CLAIOM to be convertible 586841;1395940180;mircea_popescu;just as long as not too many are converted. 586842;1395940180;ThickAsThieves;didnt they do an 'audit'? 586843;1395940189;benkay;audit my butthole 586844;1395940195;benkay;;;google bitstamp audit 586845;1395940195;gribble;Statement regarding recent third party audit report - Bitstamp: <https://www.bitstamp.net/article/statemen-regarding-recent-third-party-audit-report/>; Statement by Bitstamp regarding Mt Gox insolvency - Bitstamp: <https://www.bitstamp.net/article/Statement-by-Bitstamp-regarding-MtGox-insolv/>; Bitstamp - buy and sell bitcoins: <https://www.bitstamp.net/> 586846;1395940196;asciilifeform;well i did say bezzlars. 586847;1395940214;mircea_popescu;speaking of turkeys in new york : "ground turkey meat, was $2 for 20 oz. 2.5 years ago on sale ; it's $4.50 for 20 oz. on sale now." 586848;1395940235;Mats_cd03;turkey: the inferior chicken 586849;1395940237;benkay;firestartr are some no-names, iirc ThickAsThieves 586850;1395940247;mircea_popescu;;;calc 2.25 ** (1/30) 586851;1395940247;gribble;1.02739965906 586852;1395940254;mircea_popescu;2.8% inflation. PER MONTH 586853;1395940260;tg2;turkey index 586854;1395940274;tg2;turkeys are a... growth market 586855;1395940277;asciilifeform;incidentally, nothing (at least, at present time) stops an owner of XXXX bezzlars from driving to a precious metals seller and filling as many buckets as he can afford. 586856;1395940288;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as long as he buys... paper gold. 586857;1395940291;mircea_popescu;ie, goldzzars. 586858;1395940295;Mats_cd03;i still have 2 frozen turkeys from thanksgiving 586859;1395940301;asciilifeform;they don't sell this in shops around here 586860;1395940307;asciilifeform;mostly numismatic coin 586861;1395940309;mircea_popescu;try taking 100k out of your savings, buying gold bricks and driving them to mexico. 586862;1395940316;Mats_cd03;ever deep fry a turkey? its godly 586863;1395940337;mircea_popescu;what was that shop that'd deep fry anything ? butter, water, icecream 586864;1395940360;Mats_cd03;youve piqued my curiousity 586865;1395940370;tg2;mmm deep fried butter 586866;1395940372;tg2;lol 586867;1395940377;tg2;#justamericanthings 586868;1395940399;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07288954 = 0.2187 BTC [-] {2} 586869;1395940413;tg2;> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chxzSIAWA2g 586870;1395940438;mircea_popescu;http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ 586871;1395940440;ozbot;BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment 586872;1395940448;mircea_popescu;and the 1year berkshire based btc bond just went to 3% 586873;1395940462;mircea_popescu;well... 2.81% 586874;1395940503;ThickAsThieves;it'll probly get to 30%+ i bet 586875;1395940511;ThickAsThieves;heh, can you make bets on bets? 586876;1395940533;mircea_popescu;we tried yest but it didn't stick 586877;1395940539;nubbins`;^ 586878;1395940559;Mats_cd03;when i was 8 a family friend told me peanut butter was a preservative and i could live forever if i ate enough of it at once 586879;1395940569;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Deep frying anything is more of a State Fair schtick 586880;1395940577;VanCleef;could someone help me word a bet on bitbet so its allowed? 586881;1395940592;ThickAsThieves;one day mp will owe me a favor, and Schrodinger's BitBet will happen 586882;1395940607;ThickAsThieves;ok probly not 586883;1395940610;mircea_popescu;lol 586884;1395940611;ThickAsThieves;but i can dream 586885;1395940613;Mats_cd03;the next day i woke up early and had an XL jar of skippys...i temporarily replaced blood with peanut butter for a few hours 586886;1395940614;VanCleef;i want to bet that Australia wont win one single group match for the fifa world cup 586887;1395940618;mircea_popescu;VanCleef sure, why not 586888;1395940643;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0056271 = 0.2251 BTC [-] 586889;1395940649;mircea_popescu;is this tracked anywhere ? 586890;1395940684;VanCleef;i'm sure fifa.com keep scores on their website 586891;1395940705;mircea_popescu;can you list the matches ? 586892;1395940720;VanCleef;i can list who else is in the group 586893;1395940725;mircea_popescu;generally, you want the bet well specified. 586894;1395940733;mircea_popescu;"x y z will happen, here's the link to it measured" 586895;1395940741;TestingUnoDosTre;MP, I tried making a bet on 3M that was worded very similar to the berkshire one, and the mods rejected it because it was outlandish 586896;1395940780;VanCleef;ahh ok 586897;1395940784;VanCleef;so more details teh better 586898;1395940787;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre i vaguely recall some discusison re a 3m bet a month or so ago, was this the same one ? 586899;1395940819;TestingUnoDosTre;yes. the bet was stated that the ratio of MMM to BTC would stay above .2 until may or something of the sort 586900;1395940826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00093774 = 10.8778 BTC [+] 586901;1395940830;CheckDavid;Which platform do you suggest to fund a startup? 586902;1395940834;TestingUnoDosTre;or at the end of may 586903;1395940835;mircea_popescu;did it carry ~1k btc in zeroconf ? 586904;1395940837;benkay;!t h rent 586905;1395940838;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.00536113 / 0.00562740 (907 shares, 4.86254898 BTC), 7D: 0.00520970 / 0.00540361 / 0.00563480 (3139 shares, 16.96192014 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00555895 / 0.00900001 (47528 shares, 264.20559875 BTC) 586906;1395940862;TestingUnoDosTre;lol of course not, but the berkshire bet didn't start out with 1k btc 586907;1395940867;ThickAsThieves;the 3M was discussed already no need to rehash 586908;1395940870;ThickAsThieves;bet* 586909;1395940872;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre course it did. 586910;1395940873;TestingUnoDosTre;fine fine fine 586911;1395940892;ThickAsThieves;pull the log and read it again if you want re-experience it 586912;1395940900;mircea_popescu;anyway, my car is here so we'll have to continue later! 586913;1395940906;TomServo;TestingUnoDosTre: Just curious, why 3M? 586914;1395940915;VanCleef;i thought you ony rode horses? 586915;1395940933;TestingUnoDosTre;because I want to convert losses in MMM to wins in BTC 586916;1395940941;TestingUnoDosTre;or theoretically be able to l) 586917;1395940943;TestingUnoDosTre;;) 586918;1395940990;TestingUnoDosTre;I may or may not have worked for the company for a couple years and amassed to much of a concentrated holding due to putting 10% of each pay check into stock options 586919;1395941009;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00093514 = 8.6033 BTC [-] 586920;1395941116;Mats_cd03;https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/364808300 586921;1395941117;ozbot;USAJOBS - Search Jobs 586922;1395941126;Mats_cd03;Job Title:DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE OFFICER FOR EURASIA 586923;1395941138;Mats_cd03;hahahaha someone in the DIA got shit-canned over ukraine 586924;1395941162;Mats_cd03;most interesting thing all day 586925;1395941163;tg2;> $120,749.00 to $175,000.00 / Per Year 586926;1395941165;TestingUnoDosTre;120 to 175k. lol 586927;1395941167;tg2;lol 586928;1395941169;tg2;^ 586929;1395941172;TestingUnoDosTre;imagine how much pressure that position is right now 586930;1395941176;tg2;haha 586931;1395941192;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0056275 = 0.2251 BTC [+] 586932;1395941231;tg2;seems to me that offering a salary that pathetic to somebody in that position is either a sign of an incompetent office in the event they're looking for somebody competent, or of a smart one if they're looking for a patsy/puppet 586933;1395941261;tg2;likely the previous occupant was the opposite 586934;1395941263;asciilifeform;Job Title:DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE OFFICER FOR EASTASIA 586935;1395941313;tg2;"Putting the welfare of the Nation and commitment to our mission before oneself." .... for $120k. 586936;1395941328;tg2;i know people who work on css all day and make more than that 586937;1395941357;joecool;tg2: seems legit 586938;1395941359;nubbins`;asciilifeform XD 586939;1395941368;nubbins`;salary: doubleplus good 586940;1395941420;kow;tg2 is a liar I met him irl he is like 300lbs, poor, and doesn't leave his apartment which is just full of stacks of old books and empty stouffers containers which he's saving for the points 586941;1395941439;tg2;k\o\w, can you ;;rate me then 586942;1395941441;tg2;:D 586943;1395941447;kow;;;rate tg2 fat 586944;1395941447;gribble;Error: 'fat' is not a valid integer. 586945;1395941451;tg2;lol 586946;1395941464;tg2;;;ident k\o\w 586947;1395941465;gribble;Nick 'k\o\w', with hostmask 'k\o\w!~kow@69-196-151-22.dsl.teksavvy.com', is not identified. 586948;1395941476;tg2;bro GPG up or else who the fuck are you anyway 586949;1395941476;kow;careful with that or I'll doxx u 586950;1395941500;TestingUnoDosTre;hahaha 586951;1395941507;tg2;bro sharpie up 586952;1395941510;tg2;bro 586953;1395941527;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/morning-after-pills-less-effective-for-heavier-women-warning-will-say-1.2588527 586954;1395941528;ozbot;Morning-after pills less effective for heavier women, warning will say - Health - CBC News 586955;1395941529;mod6;a guy once got 1bn satoshi for that 586956;1395941529;joecool;!eauth joecool 586957;1395941532;TestingUnoDosTre;is doxxing kinda like goxxing? 586958;1395941534;nubbins`;interesting 586959;1395941535;joecool;ugh 586960;1395941550;the20year3;I could very well be wrong about how HL is handling it, i made the assumption (right or wrong) that they treat it as a new IPO 586961;1395941573;benkay;the20year3: and freeze trading on the new asset to support your new imaginary valuation? 586962;1395941579;nubbins`;TIL that morning-after pills don't work if you weigh more than 175lbs 586963;1395941583;benkay;old* asset 586964;1395941594;kow;tg2 I sold some BTC to a dude in mcdonalds yesterday, the guy knew NOTHING about it, didn't even know how to confirm my deposit, said he's been buying half a BTC every week. I think I met a BTC prepper. 586965;1395941598;tg2;k\o\w, shouldn't you have backdoor-laced operating systems to be releasing?! 586966;1395941603;Mats_cd03;;;ud dox 586967;1395941603;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dox | Dox, or being doxed, in terms of online forum sites, is the physical equivalent of being butt-raped irl. Just as all the greats have, when a person is "doxed", ... 586968;1395941604;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: dox 586969;1395941615;tg2;;;ud broscience 586970;1395941616;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=broscience | Broscience is the predominant brand of reasoning in bodybuilding circles where the anecdotal reports of jacked dudes are considered more credible t... 586971;1395941617;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: broscience 586972;1395941623;Mats_cd03;;;ud doxxed 586973;1395941623;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dox | ... dox of boughnuts · doxology · Doxops · Doxosophist · doxuges · doxx · doxxed · doxy · Doxylamine · doxymoron · doy · Doya · Do Ya Bad ( DYB) · doyacht. 586974;1395941624;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: dox 586975;1395941631;Mats_cd03;ud you are useless 586976;1395941642;kow;tg2, I've been busy and other people took over the dev :( 586977;1395941644;benkay;the20year3: will you be allowing existing rent stockholders to sell their shares at 0.0075 as well? 586978;1395941650;Mats_cd03;;;wiki doxing 586979;1395941650;gribble;Error: "wiki" is not a valid command. 586980;1395941651;tg2;doyacht 586981;1395941653;tg2;k\o\w, I havce a nice project you might like 586982;1395941656;Mats_cd03;;;google doxing wiki 586983;1395941657;gribble;Doxing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing>; Dox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dox>; Personally identifiable information - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personally_identifiable_information> 586984;1395941663;tg2;alrady recuited some of your coconspirators 586985;1395941673;TestingUnoDosTre;;ud goxxed 586986;1395941679;tg2;;;ud goxxed 586987;1395941679;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=goxxed | Jun 26, 2011 ... goxxed. The act of being screwed by an online merchant, specifically due to the merchant being incompetent and amateurish. Derived from the ... 586988;1395941680;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: goxxed 586989;1395941682;tg2;lol 586990;1395941694;TestingUnoDosTre;creepy 586991;1395941711;TestingUnoDosTre;why did it only return once? 586992;1395941712;Mats_cd03;http://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/the-finnish-foreign-fighter-contingent-in-syria 586993;1395941713;ozbot;The Finnish Foreign Fighter Contingent in Syria | Combating Terrorism Center at West Point 586994;1395941718;kow;tell me more tg2 586995;1395941719;the20year3;THat's a good question benkay, i'll need to check into it, but I assume the answer is yes 586996;1395941722;Mats_cd03;who the fuck invited the finns to a civil war? 586997;1395941729;tg2;http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mtgox&sign=ANY&type=RECV 586998;1395941730;ozbot;Rating Details for User 'mtgox' 586999;1395941733;tg2;this whole WOT thing is working well I see 587000;1395941739;the20year3;lots of syrians in Finland going back 587001;1395941763;Mats_cd03;i hope they canceled their life insurance policies 587002;1395941806;xdotcommer;;;help 587003;1395941806;gribble;The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ 587004;1395941807;tg2;yeah if I was syrian and didn't live in syria the first thing I'd do is high tail it back to syria 587005;1395941810;tg2;obv. 587006;1395941829;tg2;land of the free 587007;1395941852;tg2;fk this vanity gpg generator is an entropy whore 587008;1395941865;tg2;will otc accept a 2048b key? 587009;1395941869;tg2;guessing it should 587010;1395941871;Mats_cd03;syria's a nice place 587011;1395941898;Mats_cd03;sadly some of it is shelled to bits now 587012;1395941919;tg2;syria, home of the brave. 587013;1395941987;BingoBoingo;tg2: 2048 is probably the minimum reasonable size 587014;1395941990;TestingUnoDosTre;learning so much about soviet history from bitcoin-assets 587015;1395942001;tg2;I would think that it /could/ accept a 1024 key 587016;1395942006;tg2;but I wouldn't use one 587017;1395942009;TestingUnoDosTre;why not? 587018;1395942028;Mats_cd03;cause hes contrarian 587019;1395942031;tg2;my tinfoil hat is neatly folded 587020;1395942032;pankkake;otc accepted my old 1024 key, so 587021;1395942046;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00093671 = 15.2684 BTC [+] 587022;1395942051;TestingUnoDosTre;lol 587023;1395942055;tg2;last 1024 key I had expired some time ago 587024;1395942059;TestingUnoDosTre;;;ud contrarian 587025;1395942060;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=contrarian | contrarian. Someone who automatically tends to take the opposite point of view from the person to whom they're speaking, or to disagree with society at large ... 587026;1395942062;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: contrarian 587027;1395942072;TestingUnoDosTre;awww. Was hoping for something dirtier 587028;1395942074;tg2;Mats_cd03, AM NOT 587029;1395942080;Mats_cd03;am so 587030;1395942085;tg2;I can't agree with that. 587031;1395942100;Mats_cd03;i suppose we can disagree on disagreeing 587032;1395942104;tg2;and if I did, would that prove it wrong? 587033;1395942112;tg2;gl circular reasoning 587034;1395942114;the20year3;RS NAV right now is around 1,000btc 587035;1395942123;Mats_cd03;too many levels, im going to fall off a bridge while inside a van 587036;1395942176;tg2;brb sha1 1024 gpg key inbound 587037;1395942228;pankkake;FYI you can create stronger subkeys 587038;1395942293;benkay;tg2: read moar, derp less: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.msg1227871#msg1227871 587039;1395942351;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00093663 = 0.6556 BTC [-] 587040;1395942533;benkay;keep making noise, tho 'bro'. it'll get you far. 587041;1395942537;TestingUnoDosTre;tell me about this subkey 587042;1395942595;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00093915 = 9.5793 BTC [+] {3} 587043;1395942607;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: https://alexcabal.com/creating-the-perfect-gpg-keypair/ 587044;1395942615;pankkake;TestingUnoDosTre: https://wiki.debian.org/subkeys 587045;1395942618;TestingUnoDosTre;gracias 587046;1395942627;xdotcommer;tg2: stop derping bro 587047;1395942645;pankkake;and you probably already have one subkey 587048;1395942661;_aeon;LOUD NOISES 587049;1395942718;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0056499 = 0.2542 BTC [+] 587050;1395942719;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00093514 = 6.1252 BTC [-] 587051;1395942839;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.00569 = 0.1707 BTC [+] 587052;1395942900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5600 @ 0.00010804 = 0.605 BTC [-] {9} 587053;1395943067;xdotcommer;tg2: fall in line 587054;1395943162;dexX7;the20year3: could you please tell me, if issuer's funds are locked during an ipo on havelock and is it correct that buyers are unable to undercut the issuer during the ipo? are updates of any kind during an ipo allowed, e.g. a description? 587055;1395943328;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 29 @ 0.00596 = 0.1728 BTC [+] 587056;1395943419;benkay;dexX7: just assume you're going to get fucked, no lube. it's the havelock way. 587057;1395943449;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 371 @ 0.00599999 = 2.226 BTC [+] {2} 587058;1395943451;benkay;have-a-cock 587059;1395943465;dexX7;haha no, don't get me wrong 587060;1395943491;dexX7;i'm not trying to evaluate the chances of creating a scam :o 587061;1395943498;benkay;"someone"'s pushing rent up to the .0075 line. 587062;1395943510;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 125 @ 0.006 = 0.75 BTC [+] 587063;1395943523;benkay;not even bothering to sell 587064;1395943532;benkay;what kind of kiddy bullshit is this 587065;1395944120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00093301 = 12.3157 BTC [-] 587066;1395944242;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.000932 = 4.66 BTC [-] {3} 587067;1395944852;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07288952 = 0.3644 BTC [-] 587068;1395945035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.0060947 = 3.0474 BTC [+] {9} 587069;1395945036;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00255253 = 1.5315 BTC [-] {12} 587070;1395946061;TestingUnoDosTre;okay question about gpg keys hya 587071;1395946233;TestingUnoDosTre;If I created a master key with my name and email attached to it, but I want to some business anonymously. Let's just say I want to publish an anonymous blog or something. Could I generate an anonymous subkey and sign all my blog documents with the subkey, and there would be no way anyone could find my master key and therefore my name and email address? 587072;1395946233;benkay;TestingUnoDosTre: don't ask to ask just ask 587073;1395946314;TestingUnoDosTre;aka is there a link from my no-named subkey to my public key from my master? 587074;1395946325;nubbins`;intuition tells me yes, there is 587075;1395946328;nubbins`;but who knows 587076;1395946339;TestingUnoDosTre;perhaps a person in here? 587077;1395946345;benkay;if you want to decouple identities, decouple identities. 587078;1395946352;TestingUnoDosTre;meaning how 587079;1395946359;TestingUnoDosTre;just generate a different master key? 587080;1395946365;nubbins`;^ 587081;1395946365;benkay;I personally would use separate master keys for different identities. 587082;1395946383;benkay;it'll help guard against mistakes. 587083;1395946427;bounce;AIUI the link goes from the master to the sub, not the other way around. but would have to dig into the protocol to figure that one out. 587084;1395946448;bounce;but yes, easier to not overload keys and just make a new key instead. 587085;1395946454;benkay;can you sign with subkeys? 587086;1395946470;TestingUnoDosTre;yes, I believe one can make a signing subkey 587087;1395946522;benkay;i'd separate concerns here. 587088;1395946551;benkay;if you're not comfortable with the whole master key subordinate key thing and confident that you can always do the right thing, guard against "yourself as your own worst enemy" and use separate master keys. 587089;1395946553;TestingUnoDosTre;I have only generated one master key at the moment though, but I think it was truly a DSA elgamel pair 587090;1395946561;TestingUnoDosTre;mmkay 587091;1395946604;bounce;the thing is of course that as soon as you publish for all to see your public master key it'll have subs that were supposed to remain sooper seekrit. 587092;1395946702;TestingUnoDosTre;that is what I needed to understand 587093;1395946715;BingoBoingo;http://deadspin.com/this-unc-athletes-paper-is-a-joke-whos-to-blame-1552798110 587094;1395946716;ozbot;This UNC Athlete's Paper Is A Joke. Who's To Blame? 587095;1395946743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9098 @ 0.00093301 = 8.4885 BTC [+] 587096;1395946812;nubbins`;a-minus 587097;1395946813;nubbins`;lelelel 587098;1395946836;BingoBoingo;Quality 'Murican education 587099;1395946873;TestingUnoDosTre;can we just stop thinking that somehow athletes need to gain an education? Basketball players at UNC especially, keep some fine moneys flowing through the system 587100;1395946877;benkay;murka 587101;1395946881;benkay;murka murka jihad 587102;1395946904;benkay;pretty sure that most american educations gave up on thinking a long time ago, TestingUnoDosTre 587103;1395946952;benkay;god bless bootstrap. 587104;1395946968;nubbins`;^ it's what makes my computer work 587105;1395946978;benkay;there is an element i am completely failing to address for teh style override 587106;1395946989;benkay;lol nubbins` 587107;1395947160;TestingUnoDosTre;I had some good teachers, but they were few and far between 587108;1395947513;benkay;HeySteve2: did you ever sort your wallet? 587109;1395947906;the20year3;dexX7: I believe issuer funds are locked from trading, but the issuer can withdraw funds for whatever business purchases they have, as long as the new proceeds meet the minimum threshold. The updates are definately recommended during any ipo/fund phase. 587110;1395948001;dexX7;ah, thanks 587111;1395948207;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.605505 = 2.422 BTC [-] {3} 587112;1395948345;benkay;;;lasers 587113;1395948345;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* 587114;1395948427;the20year3;Additionally, if there's extreme investor outrage of the 2nd round, we'll cancel it, but as of this moment i haven't seen that. 587115;1395948451;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 46 @ 0.0160002 = 0.736 BTC [+] 587116;1395948458;dexX7;the20year3: is there a max time how long an ipo can be active and trading is disabled for buyers? 587117;1395948512;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.0009313 = 21.6993 BTC [-] 587118;1395948554;the20year3;I think it's 30 days 587119;1395948575;the20year3;That's what it was for the last round 587120;1395948580;dexX7;ty 587121;1395948671;mike_c;the20year3: any comment on mp's question about the NC expansion? paraphrasing: you have advantages in ohio (namely the economics and your expertise), and how will those scale to NC? 587122;1395949124;the20year3;The big barrier to entry is capital and capital management than personal experience. I know that seems odd, but if you'd talk to any REI group you'd find out that money is the #1 problem to starting out and getting good properties. 587123;1395949150;TestingUnoDosTre;intresting 587124;1395949155;the20year3;In the case of this CREI deal, they already have a solid candidate for a property, i've already reviewed the comps, documents and everything associated with the deal and feel it's a very good buy. 587125;1395949219;the20year3;CREI has been wholesaling (Locating properties, selling the leads to investors) for 3 years now and has had well over a dozen profitable deals for the end investors. That's a very good track record, but his problem is the same problem that i have had since 2008 - Capital. So, we can come in as RS with just a little bit of capital, offer it to them for very, very lucrative terms. 587126;1395949332;the20year3;Then , the other consideraiton on my end is that we have some very large investors who want to see us work on developing these partnerships moreso than just dealing with slummy properties in central Ohio. 587127;1395949436;mike_c;seems like a lot of counterparty risk with those partnerships. but you obviously understand the biz more than I 587128;1395949498;the20year3;They certainly exist, but i think the reward potential is much higher than the risks. We've got solid properties here in Ohio, and are getting more, and i feel that if we could add higher profit potential to the mix it would benefit the fund 587129;1395949915;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00093301 = 14.4617 BTC [+] 587130;1395949915;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 123 @ 0.00263568 = 0.3242 BTC [+] {3} 587131;1395949976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.0026 = 0.2002 BTC [-] 587132;1395950220;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 800 @ 0.00235044 = 1.8804 BTC [-] {20} 587133;1395950383;CheckDavid;Hi. I was wondering about the solutions that exist in the cryptocurrency space regarding funding startups 587134;1395950403;CheckDavid;Can any one just give some lights? 587135;1395950425;dexX7;hey, can you be more specific? 587136;1395950525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00093301 = 20.0597 BTC [+] 587137;1395950647;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07288951 = 0.2187 BTC [-] 587138;1395950703;dexX7;the20year3: sorry for all those questions. in the case you do a second ipo round, i assume trading is also locked? and: from which pool are those ipo 2 shares taken? do you define a fixed number during the asset creation and sell a partion of those in round 1 and the rest in round 2 for example? 587139;1395950708;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00230041 = 0.2208 BTC [-] {2} 587140;1395950767;kakobrekla;hm 587141;1395950771;kakobrekla;lets try this 587142;1395950773;kakobrekla;http://piratepad.net/or1RSxpueo 587143;1395950777;ozbot;PiratePad: or1RSxpueo 587144;1395950781;kakobrekla;fill it up? 587145;1395950840;kakobrekla;i dont remember who was volunteering 587146;1395950879;kakobrekla;ping mircea_popescu , benkay , mike_c , everyoneelsethatiforgot 587147;1395950891;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1963 @ 0.00221117 = 4.3405 BTC [-] {6} 587148;1395950902;dexX7;afaik there is no form available 587149;1395950921;kakobrekla;a? 587150;1395950948;kakobrekla;this is a multi player notepad 587151;1395950954;kakobrekla;you copy paste shit below. 587152;1395950967;the20year3;I think trading is locked dexX7, the shares are just taken from the original pool of shares that we had as part of the pseudo-PPM/Original business plan's funding goals. 587153;1395950985;kakobrekla;ah im talking to myself okay 587154;1395951025;dexX7;didn't you use the pad to send me the message "go find the submission form instead of asking"? 587155;1395951025;TestingUnoDosTre;seriously though. recommended reading is a book from the Duck Dynasty? 587156;1395951035;CheckDavid;dexX7: can got help me be more specific? 587157;1395951041;mike_c;good idea kako. maybe put a link on b-a.com? 587158;1395951045;CheckDavid;I was wondering maybe issue stock 587159;1395951051;CheckDavid;Or something 587160;1395951053;TestingUnoDosTre;gl bra 587161;1395951057;kakobrekla;and anal rape is a video from some production house, so what 587162;1395951059;benkay;why not a !sr <link>, kakobrekla ? 587163;1395951059;CheckDavid;I know there several solutions 587164;1395951107;dexX7;there are. mind to share your business plan? 587165;1395951135;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00220557 = 4.4111 BTC [-] {6} 587166;1395951150;kakobrekla;mike_c i will put the curated version of the piratepad on the static b-a page 587167;1395951156;dexX7;the20year3: thanks again ;) 587168;1395951157;kakobrekla;at least thats the idea 587169;1395951175;mike_c;cool 587170;1395951197;kakobrekla;but its up to #bitcoin-assets to come up with the content 587171;1395951208;the20year3;np 587172;1395951303;dexX7;good idea re pad with info stuff 587173;1395951356;CheckDavid;dexX7: a jobs board with a scheduled equity distribution plan for members 587174;1395951371;benkay;dafuq? 587175;1395951381;benkay;that's precisely what ninjashogun was prattling about. 587176;1395951386;CheckDavid;Yes 587177;1395951418;CheckDavid;He is my partner 587178;1395951430;CheckDavid;It's his idea originally 587179;1395951444;benkay;;;gettrust CheckDavid 587180;1395951444;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=CheckDavid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheckDavid | Rated since: never 587181;1395951504;benkay;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135834.msg1447083#msg1447083 587182;1395951506;ozbot;[MPEx] S.BBET BitBet IPO an astounding success 587183;1395951519;benkay;"Spoiler: It's not going to beat betsofbitco.in" 587184;1395951532;dexX7;well anyway. basically there are cryptostocks.com, havelockinvestments.com and mpex.co. if you want to scam, go to cs, if you want to reach the regular bitcointalk and reddit user, use havelock. mpex is most likely out of your reach. 587185;1395951555;CheckDavid;benkay: I am not trading. So I guess I don't need to be verified? 587186;1395951572;benkay;i guess you miss the point. 587187;1395951593;CheckDavid;Lol I don't want to scam :) 587188;1395951616;CheckDavid;Oh sorry benkay . could you please explain the point? 587189;1395951622;xdotcomm_;CheckDavid: fall in line 587190;1395951662;CheckDavid;dexX7: I heard crypto stocks was scamish 587191;1395951672;CheckDavid;BingoBoingo: said that I think 587192;1395951675;benkay;CheckDavid: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.msg1227871#msg1227871 587193;1395951684;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 217 @ 0.00213 = 0.4622 BTC [-] {3} 587194;1395951685;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [-] 587195;1395951728;dexX7;CheckDavid: the point benkay is trying to make: don't ask for money, if you have no reputation nor the willingness to be "verified" 587196;1395951745;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.000932 = 27.4008 BTC [-] {2} 587197;1395951786;CheckDavid;I see benkay . Thanks 587198;1395951799;CheckDavid;I didn't ask for money 587199;1395951806;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0020387 = 1.0194 BTC [-] {5} 587200;1395951807;CheckDavid;I asked for advice though 587201;1395951820;CheckDavid;And good advice is as good as money.. 587202;1395951827;CheckDavid;So OK :) 587203;1395951835;dexX7;hehe 587204;1395951839;dexX7;wasn't meant this way 587205;1395951861;dexX7;but "asking for money" is implied by "i want to start a business and therefore i ask about exchanges" 587206;1395951864;CheckDavid;Moniz pliz guy tnx 587207;1395951870;benkay;you're investigating listing a stock of some sort, right? 587208;1395951872;CheckDavid;Gime moniz 587209;1395951873;CheckDavid;Lol 587210;1395951885;CheckDavid;benkay: considering options 587211;1395951891;BingoBoingo;CheckDavid: At some point the kind's of advice you seek might... Imply intentions about how you might use that advice... 587212;1395951893;CheckDavid;And yes could include that 587213;1395951920;benkay;there are all the scam hosters over there that don't require identity or anything, allowing companies like CaVirtEx to walk off with customer funds and Rentalstarter to arbitrarily halt trading so they can sell their inflated stock at some imaginary value. 587214;1395951922;CheckDavid;BingoBoingo: yes. So what? 587215;1395951936;CheckDavid;BingoBoingo: humans ate always verifying intentions :) 587216;1395951958;benkay;on the other hand, there's the harder and tougher path to accredidation with people not engaged in fucking people as a matter of habit in -assets. 587217;1395951959;CheckDavid;I see. 587218;1395951971;dexX7;benkay: do you think there shouldn't be a trading freeze during a funding round? 587219;1395951989;CheckDavid;You didn't mention when exchanges themselves run away 587220;1395951991;benkay;in what sane world does this make sense 587221;1395951995;benkay;dexX7: 587222;1395952010;benkay;either their paper is worth what the market will pay for it or its not 587223;1395952015;BingoBoingo;CheckDavid: Well these things are going to color people's reactions. Instead of getting reactively defensive note people's concerns and think about how you can correct things in the future when you want to actually do the thing you solicit advice for, if you make it too that stage. 587224;1395952018;benkay;if it were really worth .0075 the price would reflect that. 587225;1395952041;CheckDavid;BingoBoingo: *to 587226;1395952043;CheckDavid;Haha lol 587227;1395952043;benkay;and previous shareholders should get to sell at .0075 as well. 587228;1395952070;CheckDavid;OK. Just messing. Well. Good advice BingoBoingo 587229;1395952090;CheckDavid;I an not trying to convince anyone of any business at the moment though 587230;1395952101;CheckDavid;I feel a bit far away from that point at the moment 587231;1395952111;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 116 @ 0.002 = 0.232 BTC [-] {4} 587232;1395952123;benkay;dexX7: does this make sense? 587233;1395952187;CheckDavid;Ok so dexX7. Your suggestion is basically to consider a number of exchanges right? 587234;1395952233;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00199999 = 0.114 BTC [-] 587235;1395952391;dexX7;benkay: what about the case that one puts up a buy wall lower than the ipo price and then undercuts the issuer? i guess that would be a reflection of "not enough buyer"? 587236;1395952455;benkay;supply and demand must agree on a price. 587237;1395952465;benkay;the havelock approach is to fix a price and wait for the suckers to come by. 587238;1395952466;dexX7;CheckDavid: well, no. i assumed your question was "where can i issue a stock?" and thus my answer, but maybe you should rephrase your initial question once again. 587239;1395952476;dexX7;yup true 587240;1395952509;CheckDavid;dexX7: I am just looking for funding solutions in general. Being issuing and selling stock one of the potential solutions 587241;1395952526;benkay;they're compounding this fraud by suspending the hallowed process of price discovery to entice another round of suckers into their finger-trap. 587242;1395952538;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00190001 = 0.152 BTC [-] 587243;1395952539;benkay;at a hilariously higher price, i might point out. 587244;1395952599;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60333366 = 1.81 BTC [-] {2} 587245;1395952652;dexX7;the following case is not possible: say everyone wants to sell, but i'm still willing to give the issuer my coins for whatever reason. non-freezed trading doesn't allow this 587246;1395952660;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00190001 = 0.2166 BTC [-] 587247;1395952671;Mats_cd03;add some more material to the reading list 587248;1395952688;benkay;that's an irrational move, dexX7. why not just buy the shares on the open market? 587249;1395952695;the20year3;How much is a stock worth? 587250;1395952721;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00229999 = 1.035 BTC [+] {2} 587251;1395952727;the20year3;The problem is the value most of the time is arbitrary, especially with bitcoin stocks as the bulk of the value is just speculation based on whatever positive/negative news is coming out about the company 587252;1395952770;dexX7;benkay: in this case my intention would not be to buy shares but to provide funds for the issuer 587253;1395952776;the20year3;In our case, with the decrease of BTC:USD, the BTC value of our company goes up, because the vast majority of our assets are denominated in USD, but the BTC price doesn't accurately reflect it because the trades for the most part just trend on news 587254;1395952782;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00609698 = 0.2927 BTC [-] 587255;1395952821;benkay;dexX7: so send your money directly to the guy - who cares? 587256;1395952842;benkay;the point is that he's allowed to sell more shares in his company at above market prices when nobody else is. 587257;1395952843;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07288951 = 0.1458 BTC [-] {2} 587258;1395952865;dexX7;i competely get your point and i agree, i'm just thinking about potential reasons 587259;1395952880;benkay;so throw your money directly to the guy like you did with Gox. 587260;1395952918;benkay;the20year3: this is the painful part of touching both rails at the same time. 587261;1395952930;benkay;nobody knows how to value anything in BTC alone, much less mixed-assets. 587262;1395952945;benkay;plus, your investors are a bunch of trend-traders. 587263;1395952956;the20year3;Depends on which investors you're talking about 587264;1395952961;benkay;havelock, duh. 587265;1395952970;the20year3;The guys that have given me near $100k? I don't see them trading around stock 587266;1395952973;xdotcomm_;benkay: how come exchanges /etc are not using this https://gpgauth.org/ 587267;1395952990;benkay;xdotcomm_: are you familiar with MPEx? 587268;1395953008;xdotcomm_;benkay: just recently saw it 587269;1395953013;benkay;k there's your answer. 587270;1395953026;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.01600003 = 0.48 BTC [-] {4} 587271;1395953046;benkay;the20year3: either your investors are trading on news or they're not trading around 587272;1395953047;benkay;pick one 587273;1395953072;the20year3;The bulk are not trading at all 587274;1395953082;xdotcomm_;benkay: its the only one? 587275;1395953096;benkay;yup. everyone else uses phones. 587276;1395953099;the20year3;the stock price that is moving around is being moved by guys who own a few hundred shares and have half a btc in the exchange 587277;1395953132;benkay;!t h rent 587278;1395953133;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.00560944 / 0.00600000 (1644 shares, 9.22192017 BTC), 7D: 0.00520970 / 0.00550083 / 0.00600000 (3875 shares, 21.31571263 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00556457 / 0.00900001 (48129 shares, 267.81696994 BTC) 587279;1395953180;benkay;;;calc 48129/300 587280;1395953180;gribble;160.43 587281;1395953195;benkay;lotsa minnows 587282;1395953202;mike_c;jurov uses bitcoin address signed messages for 2fa 587283;1395953203;the20year3;half of the share volume in the past week has been in the past 8 hours since our announcement, if you look at periods prior to that volume, there's almsot none 587284;1395953203;benkay;tough problem to have 587285;1395953220;benkay;doesn't really excuse malfeasance. 587286;1395953243;CheckDavid;Could issuing coins be a good business funding solution? 587287;1395953249;the20year3;So, what am I doing that's illegal? 587288;1395953265;benkay;illegal? 587289;1395953267;benkay;this is bitcoin. 587290;1395953269;benkay;there are no rules. 587291;1395953273;the20year3;What am I doing that screws shareholders? 587292;1395953282;benkay;not allowing them to sell at the same price you are. 587293;1395953331;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.002 = 0.248 BTC [-] {3} 587294;1395953339;benkay;eyo princessnell 587295;1395953343;benkay;bring your army? 587296;1395953350;the20year3;If enough of our shareholders complain about the choice, i'll change it, ask havelock to change it , or not do the 2nd round, but as of this time, the shareholders I've talked to are fine with it 587297;1395953392;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05489999 = 0.1647 BTC [+] {2} 587298;1395953758;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14613 @ 0.0009313 = 13.6091 BTC [-] 587299;1395953941;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4956 @ 0.00180914 = 8.9661 BTC [-] {14} 587300;1395953968;cazalla;can anyone recommend a reputable site for sporting results that can be used for bitbet outcomes? I'm thinking FIFA.com isn't ideal atm as there as the site will likely change once the world cup starts 587301;1395954046;mike_c;espn.com? 587302;1395954153;cazalla;maybe but it's not a win/loss prop, got knocked back first time because clearly need confirmed stats from some source 587303;1395954179;mike_c;i thought it was that they wouldn't win a game 587304;1395954218;mike_c;they=australia 587305;1395954224;cazalla;no, that's not mine 587306;1395954230;cazalla;concede no goals is mine 587307;1395954231;tg2;https://github.com/mandb/vanity_gpg 587308;1395954236;mike_c;geez, how many futbol bets we got going here :) 587309;1395954256;cazalla;found a source on fifa.com, it should do 587310;1395954256;mike_c;http://espnfc.com/round/_/groupId/2/league/fifa.world/seasonType/1/?cc=5901 587311;1395954257;ozbot;FIFA World Cup Group B Tables & Results - 2014 - ESPN FC 587312;1395954263;cazalla;http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/standings/index.html 587313;1395954270;cazalla;GA 587314;1395954296;mike_c;that looks pretty official to me. 587315;1395954301;mike_c;(the fifa one) 587316;1395954368;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00093337 = 23.9876 BTC [+] {5} 587317;1395954433;benkay;hey look what princessnell found: http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/19354/1/reddit-says-bitcoin-branded-logo-ecstasy-pills-sold-in-europe 587318;1395954435;pankkake;tg2: fun. did you check you were not entropy starved for your performance stats? 587319;1395954443;tg2;check 'er out 587320;1395954449;tg2;that random num spam 587321;1395954455;tg2;provides enough entropy to get by 587322;1395954469;tg2;but its only as good as perl's rand generator I suppose 587323;1395954478;tg2;i should have chosen a random amount of random numbers to generate :) 587324;1395954490;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04799989 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2} 587325;1395954551;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07288952 = 0.3644 BTC [+] 587326;1395954554;pankkake;your script is using gpg to generate keys, not perl 587327;1395954563;tg2;it is using perl to generate entropy 587328;1395954565;tg2;via rand() 587329;1395954571;Apocalyptic;such entropy 587330;1395954573;tg2;so much 587331;1395954589;tg2;well i guess i /could/ make it so you had to sit there mashing your keyboard all day :D 587332;1395954594;tg2;i'll accept that patch if you want :D 587333;1395954601;cazalla;mike_c: I don't know who made the Australian bet, any other aussies here that you know of? 587334;1395954612;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 6000 @ 0.00181047 = 10.8628 BTC [+] {6} 587335;1395954616;tg2;I will try it on my 48 core system 587336;1395954620;tg2;see how many 4096's i can do per second 587337;1395954621;tg2;maybe 1-2 587338;1395954635;mike_c;vague recollection that herbisjustleoids is there, but not sure 587339;1395954640;pankkake;I don't understand what that rand() is supposed to do 587340;1395954655;tg2;it generates 1000 rand numbers, which /should/ be polling /dev/urandom 587341;1395954663;tg2;which should be causing it to move seed 587342;1395954673;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0018 = 1.8 BTC [-] 587343;1395954674;tg2;I'll welcome some patches, this was the first perl script i've worked on 587344;1395954676;Apocalyptic;tg2, you're just exhausting the entropy pool then 587345;1395954686;tg2;i tried many things 587346;1395954691;Apocalyptic;<tg2> which should be causing it to move seed // dafuq 587347;1395954705;Apocalyptic;seriously you should leave that to gpg 587348;1395954708;tg2;none seemed to have an impact and gpg never complaind about lack of entropy 587349;1395954711;Apocalyptic;you have no idea of what you're doing 587350;1395954743;pankkake;yué 587351;1395954746;pankkake;yup 587352;1395954763;tg2;if you don't have "Not enough random bytes available. " 587353;1395954769;tg2;then you have sufficient entropy for gpg to operate 587354;1395954790;tg2;and at 5 keys/s, entropy generation is not the limitation 587355;1395954795;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.60133613 = 9.02 BTC [-] {6} 587356;1395954863;pankkake;your calls to rand() are either useless or harmful. gpg does its own thing 587357;1395954873;benkay;hue hue hue hue hue 587358;1395954874;Apocalyptic;there are harmful 587359;1395954887;Apocalyptic;you're just depleting the entropy pool for no use 587360;1395954904;Apocalyptic;so gpg has to wait longer 587361;1395954939;pankkake;don't know how rand() works, maybe it polls /dev/*random only once and then it's a PRNG 587362;1395954966;Apocalyptic;maybe 587363;1395954978;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00199985 = 0.178 BTC [+] {2} 587364;1395955026;pankkake;anyway, my question was about /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail - if it's low then fixing *that* will make higher quality gpg keys faster 587365;1395955041;mike_c;cazalla: it was VanCleef. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2014#586886 587366;1395955068;tg2;don't intel chips use hardware source? 587367;1395955080;tg2;(not implying that is secure) 587368;1395955087;pankkake;and as a rule, don't touch crypto stuff you don't understand, you'll shoot yourself in the foot 587369;1395955090;tg2;newer xeons use it I think 587370;1395955103;pankkake;some do, yes, not sure if it's enabled by default 587371;1395955107;cazalla;mike_c: it's pretty much a given australia won't win a match heh 587372;1395955115;deadweasel;http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/27/experts-found-that-mt-gox-lost-a-mere-386-bitcoin-due-to-transaction-malleability/ 587373;1395955115;ozbot;Experts Found That Mt.Gox Lost A Mere 386 Bitcoin Due To Transaction Malleability | TechCrunch 587374;1395955122;deadweasel;look at the picture! 587375;1395955124;pankkake;or if you need an userspace deamon 587376;1395955136;bounce;how to consult the public while clearly not listening: http://trade.ec.europa.eu/consultations/index.cfm?consul_id=179 587377;1395955176;deadweasel;why would anybody consult the public? 587378;1395955178;thestringpuller;;;ticker 587379;1395955179;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 511.43, Best ask: 512.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.56000, Last trade: 510.17, 24 hour volume: 37872.34545917, 24 hour low: 505.0, 24 hour high: 584.69, 24 hour vwap: 536.173526093 587380;1395955183;thestringpuller;!ticker m s.mpoe 587381;1395955183;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0009313 / 0.00094053 / 0.00095121 (1204898 shares, 1,133.25 BTC), 7D: 0.00082011 / 0.00093525 / 0.00096 (5510694 shares, 5,153.88 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00086117 / 0.00096 (30557131 shares, 26,315.16 BTC) 587382;1395955195;tg2;> Found 292 keys so far, running for 10.0s (Rate:29.1/s) 587383;1395955200;punkman1;deadweasel: judging by the title, they barely read the paper 587384;1395955205;bounce;no wonder, since it is about the investor / state dispute settlement ("allow corps to squeeze backward governments") in yet another american trade agreement, this time with europe 587385;1395955207;tg2;using rngtools though 587386;1395955209;tg2;> /usr/sbin/rngd -r /dev/urandom 587387;1395955219;pankkake;well then, you *were* entropy starved 587388;1395955223;pankkake;try haveged, too 587389;1395955225;deadweasel;punkman1: i didn't read either, i just lol'ed at conjured currency. 587390;1395955245;tg2;this is on another system 587391;1395955259;tg2;the intel system seems fine without that crutch 587392;1395955263;deadweasel;oh man, i'm hungry, gonna make some entropy. 587393;1395955265;tg2;dat rng 587394;1395955291;benkay;making some hash today 587395;1395955307;deadweasel;put some entropy in that shit 587396;1395955390;deadweasel;benkay, got half a grocery bag of trim here if you want to add it in. 587397;1395955405;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35363 @ 0.0009325 = 32.976 BTC [-] {3} 587398;1395955423;Mats_cd03;benkay: ever tried making oil? 587399;1395955426;benkay;i think i want all those discarded keys tg2's dropping on the floor 587400;1395955438;benkay;hah you druggies! 587401;1395955448;deadweasel;it's medicinal 587402;1395955452;Mats_cd03;what are drugs? 587403;1395955457;benkay;i'm talking about salmon hash, corned beef hash, crypto hash 587404;1395955459;deadweasel;says so here on my doctors rec. 587405;1395955463;tg2;4096-bit on a 48 core system: Found 73 keys so far, running for 30.0s (Rate:2.4/s) 587406;1395955466;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15231 @ 0.00093086 = 14.1779 BTC [-] {2} 587407;1395955468;benkay;i want to put tg2's discarded keys into this hash i'm working on 587408;1395955485;tg2;i put them in your /dev/urandom 587409;1395955489;tg2;you can just retrieve them from there 587410;1395955497;benkay;radical dudebro 587411;1395955522;tg2;brb moving my mouse around for hours 587412;1395955532;benkay;hue 587413;1395955545;benkay;modern computer 587414;1395955546;benkay;no rng 587415;1395955547;tg2;Found 317 keys so far, running for 110.1s (Rate:2.9/s) 587416;1395955555;benkay;that'd make some nice hash, tg2 587417;1395955571;tg2;~250kh/s 587418;1395955573;tg2;on scrypt 587419;1395955577;tg2;pretty pathetic 587420;1395955587;tg2;but it does as well as an R9 280x on X11 coins 587421;1395955590;CheckDavid;What do you think about issuing a coin as a way of funding for a business? 587422;1395955605;benkay;;;google trilema colored coins 587423;1395955606;gribble;Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <http://trilema.com/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz>; The dork of the month award. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/the-dork-of-the-month-award>; Women Behind Bars pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/women-behind-bars> 587424;1395955624;benkay;women behind bars you say? 587425;1395955642;CheckDavid;benkay: is that related to what I said benkay ? 587426;1395955643;Duffer1;CheckDavid it would end in disaster 587427;1395955653;CheckDavid;Duffer1: why? 587428;1395955695;Duffer1;you could visit any alt coin exchange to see the inevitable, and guaranteed, fate of all alt coins that have come before 587429;1395955710;Mats_cd03;its kind of like issuing dave and busters tokens 587430;1395955717;Mats_cd03;except your business isnt nearly as cool 587431;1395955771;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00199983 = 0.5999 BTC [+] {7} 587432;1395955773;Duffer1;checkdavid that would be like a kickstarter project sending out toilet paper instead of gadgets or equity 587433;1395955791;CheckDavid;Duffer1: the coins should have some utility for the life of the business 587434;1395955799;CheckDavid;Or so I think 587435;1395955811;pankkake;but it's cryptoilet paper! 587436;1395955846;CheckDavid;Duffer1: sorry of yes. Except it's digital toilet paper 587437;1395955881;CheckDavid;*certainly 587438;1395955938;tg2;https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/CalmTom/crap-away-launching-a-fun-and-truthful-toilet-pape?ref=live 587439;1395955939;tg2;lol 587440;1395955939;ozbot;Crap Away - Launching A Fun & Truthful Toilet Paper Brand by Tom Nardone — Kickstarter 587441;1395955943;Duffer1;are you thinking of an alt coin or colored coin? 587442;1395955962;tg2;> implying 587443;1395955982;CheckDavid;Duffer1: not sure about the terms. But I assumed colored 587444;1395955992;CheckDavid;No alt chains 587445;1395956016;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 440 @ 0.000861 = 0.3788 BTC [-] 587446;1395956036;benkay;;;gettrust thestringpuller 587447;1395956036;gribble;Currently authenticated from hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user benkay to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012 587448;1395956090;Duffer1;checkdavid ah sorry i assumed alt coin, i couldn't say if colored would work or not 587449;1395956164;benkay;;;gpg eauth benkay 587450;1395956164;gribble;Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@c-71-237-213-89.hsd1.or.comcast.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7 587451;1395956178;benkay;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:7da124b7be1a63529a28570b4f9af14cb7a3bc1114d6419b8788425f 587452;1395956178;benkay; 587453;1395956179;gribble;You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7 587454;1395956189;CheckDavid;I would like to distribute equity among the members of my website 587455;1395956190;benkay;;;rate thestringpuller 1 not likely to mess your day up 587456;1395956191;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thestringpuller has been recorded. 587457;1395956200;thestringpuller;interesting...WoT needs more devs 587458;1395956258;benkay;what needs deving? 587459;1395956259;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00093381 = 10.5987 BTC [+] 587460;1395956267;benkay;it's all php, right up your ======== alley 587461;1395956283;benkay;HEYO 587462;1395956301;thestringpuller;https://github.com/nanotube/supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor/pulls 587463;1395956306;thestringpuller;there are 8 month old pull request 587464;1395956307;thestringpuller;s 587465;1395956354;thestringpuller;CheckDavid: right a gpg contract, pay out divs to a btc address provided by members. not hard :P 587466;1395956357;thestringpuller;write* 587467;1395956357;thestringpuller;ugh 587468;1395956381;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 391 @ 0.00199998 = 0.782 BTC [-] {4} 587469;1395956433;Duffer1;thestringpuller I believe he's looking for funding, like IPOing with colored coin 587470;1395956433;CheckDavid;thestringpuller: provided by members? What about when coins are transferred? 587471;1395956442;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4777 @ 0.001806 = 8.6273 BTC [-] {9} 587472;1395956459;thestringpuller;you mean equity is transferred? 587473;1395956473;CheckDavid;thestringpuller: that was e initial idea 587474;1395956479;benkay;1 gpg-signed email is all that'd take 587475;1395956490;CheckDavid;But then I was suggested not to give any equity 587476;1395956491;benkay;"please send divs previously associated with 1fuckmylife to 1fuckhislife" 587477;1395956502;CheckDavid;And just award a coin 587478;1395956504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05539999 = 0.1108 BTC [+] 587479;1395956512;thestringpuller;the members can trade equity as they see fit amongst themselves... 587480;1395956518;thestringpuller;there is no need to have a public offering... 587481;1395956542;benkay;the public offering is required to get the hype machine going so that the 'ipo' pulls in as many coins as possible 587482;1395956546;CheckDavid;You saying something unrelated note 587483;1395956550;CheckDavid;*now 587484;1395956558;CheckDavid;What are you talking about? 587485;1395956566;thestringpuller;not at all, you 1) want to pay out profits from your website to members 587486;1395956582;thestringpuller;to do 1) you do 2) get signed gpg contract from members with btc address 587487;1395956591;thestringpuller;you do 3) set up bot to pay to addresses 587488;1395956595;thestringpuller;4) notify your accountant 587489;1395956599;thestringpuller;not hard... 587490;1395956634;CheckDavid;I don't know the format of such a contract 587491;1395956641;benkay;you get to make it 587492;1395956642;benkay;how cool! 587493;1395956668;thestringpuller;;;google site: trilema.com gpg contracts 587494;1395956669;gribble;GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/>; Voluntary contracts, after a while. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/voluntary-contracts-after-a-while>; Some basic discussion of Bitcoin macroeconomy pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/> 587495;1395956673;thestringpuller;Look there you go. 587496;1395956674;CheckDavid;But why do you call them members? 587497;1395956680;thestringpuller;You called them members! 587498;1395956689;CheckDavid;What about non members that acquire the coin? 587499;1395956715;CheckDavid;Members are one thing. Then the com can be exchanged off site 587500;1395956729;CheckDavid;Com = coin 587501;1395956745;CheckDavid;Damn auto correct 587502;1395956749;thestringpuller;so then non related person sends you the issuer a gpg signed email from both the original shareholder and themselves signifying an exchange 587503;1395956767;thestringpuller;you go to your bot 587504;1395956773;thestringpuller;change address for where shit is paid 587505;1395956773;CheckDavid;I see. 587506;1395956775;thestringpuller;move on your way 587507;1395956777;thestringpuller;... 587508;1395956788;thestringpuller;Hasn't this been discussed? benkay am I going crazy? 587509;1395956814;CheckDavid;I don't think one needs the original shareholder signature 587510;1395956814;benkay;nigga u insane 587511;1395956824;CheckDavid;I just need to know who the current owner is 587512;1395956829;benkay;yes you do, CheckDavid otherwise arbitrary entities can transfer shares arbitrarily. 587513;1395956834;benkay;well, most recent owner right? 587514;1395956835;thestringpuller;hey better yet! have them sign the email with a btc address 587515;1395956840;benkay;no no no no no no 587516;1395956846;benkay;no signing things with btc addresses 587517;1395956853;benkay;btc is btc 587518;1395956856;benkay;gpg is gpg 587519;1395956859;benkay;twain etc 587520;1395956880;CheckDavid;Looks hard to push something like this into production 587521;1395956898;benkay;yeah you should do colored coins instead 587522;1395956899;benkay;far easier 587523;1395956916;Duffer1;is there a colored coin system even out yet? 587524;1395956931;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00093042 = 19.6319 BTC [-] {2} 587525;1395956931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.60000001 = 3 BTC [-] 587526;1395956942;thestringpuller;Yea there is a prototype I think in this one OT client. 587527;1395956945;thestringpuller;Open Transactions. 587528;1395957004;thestringpuller;But it's far easier to trade OTC stuff...you know here...on IRC...over the counter... 587529;1395957007;thestringpuller;ugh 587530;1395957022;thestringpuller;I didn't realize how dumb colored coins sounded until very recently... 587531;1395957042;thestringpuller;People will just end up using it to mark bitcoins during stings on drug deals or trace laundered money. 587532;1395957082;mike_c;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=988 587533;1395957083;ozbot;Loper OS » Shitcoin: a Modest Proposal. 587534;1395957084;CheckDavid;benkay: instead of what? 587535;1395957121;thestringpuller;you guise 587536;1395957128;thestringpuller;i want to pay out dividends 587537;1395957133;thestringpuller;instead of reinvesting the money in better assets 587538;1395957202;CheckDavid;thestringpuller: is that to me? :) 587539;1395957209;CheckDavid;A critique? 587540;1395957236;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 261 @ 0.00084201 = 0.2198 BTC [-] {2} 587541;1395957268;benkay;thing about shitcoin is that one doesn't get to select the coins received 587542;1395957297;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 80 @ 0.006 = 0.48 BTC [+] {2} 587543;1395957320;thestringpuller;CheckDavid: ThickAsThieves has auto divident paying mechanisms in place. I know several people pay dividends directly to bitcoins. If you're generating a profit and want to distribute it accordingly, you could do so even manually. 587544;1395957322;tg2;if it's not 75% premined 587545;1395957324;thestringpuller;it's not really that hard. 587546;1395957328;tg2;its better than half the coins 587547;1395957339;thestringpuller;directly to bitcoin addresses* 587548;1395957412;CheckDavid;thestringpuller: I know. But one had to account for the possibility of coins being exchanged 587549;1395957419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.00600518 = 0.1321 BTC [+] {2} 587550;1395957429;CheckDavid;That ads something else to worry about 587551;1395957434;benkay;CheckDavid: we've explained how to handle that. 587552;1395957453;CheckDavid;Ok then forget dividends 587553;1395957468;CheckDavid;What of the coins award no dividends? 587554;1395957492;ThickAsThieves;<thestringpuller> CheckDavid: ThickAsThieves has auto divident paying mechanisms in place. /// uhh what? 587555;1395957495;benkay;wat 587556;1395957497;CheckDavid;How could their value still be correlated with the business performance? 587557;1395957499;ThickAsThieves;i got no auto nuthin 587558;1395957517;benkay;CheckDavid: that's the magic of owning shares in a business. 587559;1395957523;ThickAsThieves;they are dividenDs btw 587560;1395957541;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00609698 = 0.2805 BTC [-] 587561;1395957546;CheckDavid;benkay: what exactly is that magic? 587562;1395957562;benkay;a share represents a slice of a company. 587563;1395957570;benkay;if that company has value, the share has a slice of the value. 587564;1395957579;CheckDavid;Yes. But imagine the coins are not tied to equity. 587565;1395957582;jborkl;I didn't know JohnK did a runner with over 1000 coins? 587566;1395957583;benkay;why? magic. trust in the issuer. 587567;1395957601;CheckDavid;Could they still be traded accordingly to the business performance somehow? 587568;1395957652;CheckDavid;Maybe because they are accepted by the company to pay for the products it provides? 587569;1395957671;thestringpuller;dude you want to publicly trade the shares of something that has no valuation? 587570;1395957675;thestringpuller;what is going on. 587571;1395957682;jborkl;or is that not accurate? 587572;1395957685;benkay;i stay icy hot 587573;1395957695;benkay;these crackers bengay. 587574;1395957869;BingoBoingo;jborkl: Yeah, it's been a thing 587575;1395957967;ThickAsThieves;http://gawker.com/roughly-02-percent-of-published-researchers-reject-glo-1552277388 587576;1395957968;ozbot;Roughly .02 Percent of Published Researchers Reject Global Warming 587577;1395958090;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-] 587578;1395958091;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [+] 587579;1395958151;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05539999 = 0.3878 BTC [+] 587580;1395958152;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04709156 = 0.3296 BTC [-] {4} 587581;1395958175;TestingUnoDosTre;global warming is distinctly different from human caused global warming, yay or nay? 587582;1395958212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 118 @ 0.016 = 1.888 BTC [-] 587583;1395958254;benkay;pumping co2 into the atmo may change the atmo's composition, yea or nay? 587584;1395958273;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00093343 = 24.6426 BTC [+] {3} 587585;1395958316;CheckDavid;thestringpuller: what do you mean by ' I want'? 587586;1395958440;TestingUnoDosTre;I most definitely agree 587587;1395958457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7606 @ 0.00093023 = 7.0753 BTC [-] 587588;1395958469;TestingUnoDosTre;I remember hearing, as a child, that the atmosphere contained more oxygen when the dinosaurs were around 587589;1395958517;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5794 @ 0.00092844 = 5.3794 BTC [-] 587590;1395958547;CheckDavid;thestringpuller: can reformulate the question? 587591;1395958700;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07101193 = 0.8521 BTC [-] {3} 587592;1395959066;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18103 @ 0.00093446 = 16.9165 BTC [+] {3} 587593;1395959249;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00207115 = 0.2071 BTC [+] {6} 587594;1395959371;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0545996 = 0.546 BTC [-] {3} 587595;1395959372;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00208029 = 0.1456 BTC [+] 587596;1395959676;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.6 = 5.4 BTC [-] {4} 587597;1395959687;toffoo;last wednesday, first late div in 1 year+ from AM 587598;1395959702;toffoo;this wednesday, first no div week in 1 year+ 587599;1395959737;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5982 BTC [-] 587600;1395959798;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.598 BTC [-] 587601;1395959799;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 514 @ 0.00226827 = 1.1659 BTC [+] {8} 587602;1395959809;benkay;is it over? 587603;1395959859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00229999 = 0.2254 BTC [+] {2} 587604;1395959933;toffoo;well, mining on gen1 hardware appears to be over 587605;1395960102;BingoBoingo;.d 587606;1395960102;ozbot;5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1547 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.7941% in 9d 16h 31m 0s 587607;1395960129;ThickAsThieves;Estimated Next Difficulty:6,034,851,237 (+20.53%) 587608;1395960151;tg2;toffoo - what process size? 587609;1395960174;toffoo;for what? 587610;1395960194;tg2;the gen1 mining 587611;1395960199;benkay;65 probly? 587612;1395960204;tg2;early BFL? 587613;1395960241;benkay;asicminer taped their own out, right? 587614;1395960247;tg2;65nm bfl chips were ~80MH/w 587615;1395960248;benkay;<-- does not follow mining 587616;1395960259;tg2;20nm KNC asics are now 2000MH/w 587617;1395960469;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00204841 = 1.0242 BTC [-] {8} 587618;1395960591;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 684 @ 0.00201072 = 1.3753 BTC [-] {5} 587619;1395960774;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 890 @ 0.0020111 = 1.7899 BTC [+] {2} 587620;1395960897;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0553999 = 0.1108 BTC [+] 587621;1395960958;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.10144642 = 0.6087 BTC [-] 587622;1395961072;xdotcommer;How real is this https://twitter.com/CanarslanEren ? 587623;1395961080;xdotcommer;first tweet 587624;1395961133;dexX7;only a prediction/guess 587625;1395961153;benkay;make a bitbet 587626;1395961179;jurov;http://news.sciencemag.org/physics/2012/05/return-vacuum-tube 587627;1395961184;ozbot;Return of the Vacuum Tube | Science/AAAS | News 587628;1395961187;jurov;150nm and 450GHz speed estimate 587629;1395961290;jurov;i realized larger version might fullfill asciilifeform's dream to make crypto-capable microelectronics at home 587630;1395961357;TestingUnoDosTre;looks like the asks are finally being pulled from stamp :( http://coinorama.net/# 587631;1395961689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12316 @ 0.0009362 = 11.5302 BTC [+] 587632;1395961766;jurov;;;ticker 587633;1395961767;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 491.01, Best ask: 491.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.86000, Last trade: 491.87, 24 hour volume: 41831.24132524, 24 hour low: 490.02, 24 hour high: 583.4, 24 hour vwap: 532.77413212 587634;1395961772;jurov;D: 587635;1395961811;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2038 @ 0.00200963 = 4.0956 BTC [-] {13} 587636;1395961873;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2001 @ 0.00190144 = 3.8048 BTC [-] {6} 587637;1395961874;Jackmani_;bitstamp, dafuq? 587638;1395961919;TestingUnoDosTre;holy shit 587639;1395961922;TestingUnoDosTre;anyone wathcing this 587640;1395961924;TestingUnoDosTre;;;ticker 587641;1395961925;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.02, Best ask: 486.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.88000, Last trade: 486.9, 24 hour volume: 42532.89415815, 24 hour low: 480.03, 24 hour high: 583.4, 24 hour vwap: 532.77413212 587642;1395961950;Duffer1;quite a dump 587643;1395961986;thestringpuller;;;ticker 587644;1395961987;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 486.75, Best ask: 486.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 486.9, 24 hour volume: 43156.47085889, 24 hour low: 475.0, 24 hour high: 583.4, 24 hour vwap: 531.343020849 587645;1395961996;thestringpuller;damn 587646;1395961999;thestringpuller;free fLl 587647;1395962003;thestringpuller;fall 587648;1395962039;Jackmani_;it's so well synchronized between exchanges! 587649;1395962043;jurov;;;ticker --market all 587650;1395962050;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 480.0, vol: 43253.07140383 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 494.521, vol: 16659.20368 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 483.0, vol: 32456.54064922 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 520.0, vol: 169.04793296 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 482.387854, vol: 13158.04100000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 518.00539, vol: 34.63656625 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 522.082, vol: 257.79703084 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 587651;1395962054;qwebirc633214;I'm staking my claim 587652;1395962059;only;thefuck.... 587653;1395962064;jurov;;;more 587654;1395962065;gribble;483.676105447 587655;1395962098;thestringpuller;;;less 587656;1395962099;gribble;Error: "less" is not a valid command. 587657;1395962106;Apocalyptic;dat dump 587658;1395962116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1290 @ 0.00186335 = 2.4037 BTC [-] {12} 587659;1395962129;Jackmani_;dumps like a truck 587660;1395962165;qwebirc633214;banks probably gonna shut me off 587661;1395962206;qwebirc633214;what is ;;more? 587662;1395962228;jurov;when gribble says (1 more message) 587663;1395962238;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.0009362 = 3.4171 BTC [+] 587664;1395962360;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 902 @ 0.00161463 = 1.4564 BTC [-] {7} 587665;1395962370;CheckDavid;If a company has no investors Or stock holders nagging for profits, does it have any incentive to declare profits? 587666;1395962376;TestingUnoDosTre;yay, got my name back 587667;1395962421;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.05360385 = 0.4288 BTC [-] {4} 587668;1395962451;Duffer1;checkdavid ask your local regulators :P 587669;1395962466;CheckDavid;Oh 587670;1395962482;CheckDavid;Duffer1: what do you know about it in general? 587671;1395962504;Duffer1;not enough to give advice beyond my own personal experiences 587672;1395962525;TestingUnoDosTre;My company is privately owned, and it declares profits to employees 587673;1395962538;TestingUnoDosTre;and by "my" company, I mean the one I work for 587674;1395962543;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.05234836 = 1.5705 BTC [-] {17} 587675;1395962553;thestringpuller;;;ticker 587676;1395962554;CheckDavid;Profits to employees? 587677;1395962554;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 498.0, Best ask: 498.07, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 500.0, 24 hour volume: 44397.25189776, 24 hour low: 475.0, 24 hour high: 582.06, 24 hour vwap: 530.155015668 587678;1395962571;CheckDavid;What does that mean? 587679;1395962577;dexX7;bitcoin is dead.. again? 587680;1395962597;TestingUnoDosTre;this is the opportunity I've been waiting for... all week 587681;1395962612;CheckDavid;TestingUnoDosTre ... 587682;1395962626;TestingUnoDosTre;what does what mean 587683;1395962635;TestingUnoDosTre;they share the company's profits to the employees 587684;1395962661;TestingUnoDosTre;they meet like every two months and are like, "hey guys, we grossed XX millions of dollars, but were expecting YY millions" 587685;1395962668;CheckDavid;That's because there is a profit sharing plan right? 587686;1395962675;jurov;there's a dilberts comics that explains it clearly 587687;1395962681;jurov;or several 587688;1395962683;CheckDavid;Well. 587689;1395962695;Duffer1;could also just be for moral or team building hr bullshit 587690;1395962703;TestingUnoDosTre;They give bonuses that are related to the profits, if that's what you call a "profit sharing" plan 587691;1395962710;Duffer1;we're all building this together kinda nonsense 587692;1395962718;CheckDavid;But is that considered a cost to the company or is it real taxable profits? 587693;1395962726;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1110 @ 0.00155 = 1.7205 BTC [-] 587694;1395962727;CheckDavid;Ahhhh 587695;1395962729;CheckDavid;Bonuses 587696;1395962746;CheckDavid;Performance bonuses 587697;1395962757;CheckDavid;Right? 587698;1395962759;TestingUnoDosTre;Sure 587699;1395962777;TestingUnoDosTre;but it's only a function of company performance and personal salary 587700;1395962777;CheckDavid;I think that's different 587701;1395962784;TestingUnoDosTre;not your own personal performance 587702;1395962787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9534 @ 0.0009362 = 8.9257 BTC [+] 587703;1395962802;CheckDavid;Because then the company declares those 'profits' as costs 587704;1395962810;CheckDavid;So they ate 587705;1395962816;CheckDavid;*are 587706;1395962831;CheckDavid;Never real profits 587707;1395962848;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.595 = 1.19 BTC [-] {2} 587708;1395962879;CheckDavid;So my question stands. 587709;1395962892;CheckDavid;Is there ever an incentive to def 587710;1395962901;CheckDavid;*declare profits? 587711;1395962950;TestingUnoDosTre;sure but at least they have a history of declaration 587712;1395962970;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 392 @ 0.0017006 = 0.6666 BTC [+] {6} 587713;1395963019;TestingUnoDosTre;somebody needs to close this... I've got a very minor stake involved http://bitbet.us/bet/793/bitcoin-to-drop-under-500-before-may/ 587714;1395963028;CheckDavid;But those profits are not taxed as normal profits 587715;1395963031;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00193713 = 0.1879 BTC [+] {3} 587716;1395963062;dexX7;TestingUnoDosTre: don't worry. if you won, you won. 587717;1395963082;TestingUnoDosTre;I'm not worried, I'm just scroogin' 587718;1395963153;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.590001 = 1.77 BTC [-] 587719;1395963519;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-] 587720;1395963580;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.58842001 = 2.3537 BTC [-] {2} 587721;1395963641;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00199999 = 0.15 BTC [-] 587722;1395963642;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00584193 = 0.3622 BTC [-] {2} 587723;1395963643;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 3300 @ 0.00008482 = 0.2799 BTC [-] {6} 587724;1395963702;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.005741 = 0.31 BTC [-] {4} 587725;1395963824;dexX7;/ignore assbot 587726;1395963946;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002 = 0.2 BTC [+] 587727;1395964007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0021 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2} 587728;1395964129;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.002 = 0.126 BTC [-] {5} 587729;1395964312;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00214124 = 0.2569 BTC [+] {5} 587730;1395964373;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00092844 = 1.1141 BTC [-] 587731;1395964434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11844 @ 0.00093393 = 11.0615 BTC [+] {2} 587732;1395964434;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 304 @ 0.00218017 = 0.6628 BTC [+] {7} 587733;1395964436;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58822668 = 1.7647 BTC [-] 587734;1395964451;moiety;jesus bitcoin e's now? nice encouragement of dogepills too - "Wow. So drugs. Very fucked." wtf 587735;1395964495;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 398 @ 0.00219167 = 0.8723 BTC [+] {4} 587736;1395964496;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07287978 = 0.1458 BTC [+] 587737;1395964727;kakobrekla;Array 587738;1395964727;kakobrekla;( 587739;1395964727;kakobrekla;[mircea_popescu] => 11586 587740;1395964727;kakobrekla;[assbot] => 7024 587741;1395964727;kakobrekla;[ThickAsThieves] => 3558 587742;1395964728;kakobrekla;[asciilifeform] => 3306 587743;1395964731;kakobrekla;[benkay] => 2682 587744;1395964744;kakobrekla;lines in 30 days. mp outspams assbot. 587745;1395964824;mike_c;i'm oddly fascinated. full list? 587746;1395964897;mike_c;80 lines a day, not bad benkay. 587747;1395965011;dexX7;haha awesome and kinda unexpected 587748;1395965039;kakobrekla;http://dpaste.com/1760293/plain/ 587749;1395965039;mike_c;400 lines a day, plus trilema. and people think he has sock puppets too. more likely there are 3 people typing as mp :) 587750;1395965044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 325 @ 0.00239999 = 0.78 BTC [+] {2} 587751;1395965069;kakobrekla;this is last 30 days 587752;1395965091;mike_c;aww, not even top 20. 587753;1395965147;mike_c;who knew ascii talked so much? 587754;1395965149;joecool;lawl 587755;1395965244;pankkake;mp copies and pastes a lot 587756;1395965410;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00093403 = 4.6234 BTC [+] 587757;1395965532;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00238499 = 0.7155 BTC [-] {2} 587758;1395965562;tg2;http://i.imgur.com/dYDrQPg.png 587759;1395965576;tg2;can has entropy 587760;1395965715;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07287978 = 0.1458 BTC [+] 587761;1395965898;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 367 @ 0.0024112 = 0.8849 BTC [+] {4} 587762;1395965912;Apocalyptic;tg2, wait 587763;1395965922;Apocalyptic;you're using /dev/urandom as a source of entropy ? 587764;1395965943;Apocalyptic;given /dev/urandom is already using /dev/random as one 587765;1395965959;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00242963 = 1.0933 BTC [+] {2} 587766;1395965968;pankkake;rngd feeds /dev/random with /dev/urandom basically 587767;1395965975;tg2;Rngd uses more entropy points 587768;1395965983;Apocalyptic;am I the only one who finds that utterly wrong ? 587769;1395965991;Apocalyptic;it's like an entropy feedback loop 587770;1395965996;tg2;And fills it into urandom 587771;1395966002;Apocalyptic;The -r or --rng-device options can be used to select an alternate source of input 587772;1395966005;pankkake;it's not that simple but yes you really should use better sources 587773;1395966013;tg2;ofc 587774;1395966017;Apocalyptic;<tg2> Rngd uses more entropy points // not in your case 587775;1395966021;pankkake;try haveged as I said earlier 587776;1395966044;kakobrekla;http://dpaste.com/1760322/plain/ 587777;1395966074;tg2;Pankkake thx I'll check it out 587778;1395966080;kakobrekla;mike_c you get top10 on some days :) 587779;1395966110;pankkake;http://pisg.sourceforge.net/ btw 587780;1395966110;ozbot;pisg - Perl IRC Statistics Generator :: Home 587781;1395966127;mike_c;slow and steady gets you somewhere hopefully 587782;1395966167;kakobrekla;pankkake but my logs are nonstandard 587783;1395966184;kakobrekla;i would have to fiddle with it anyway. 587784;1395966245;tg2;Probably trivial to build a definition 587785;1395966268;pankkake;the lazyest version would probably be to output the logs to a recognized format 587786;1395966569;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00242994 = 0.2187 BTC [-] {2} 587787;1395967267;tg2;http://www.androidauthority.com/dogecoin-mining-android-apps-362142/ 587788;1395967268;ozbot;Researches find Android apps that covertly mine Dogecoin, one of them with more than a million downl 587789;1395967277;tg2;:) 587790;1395967314;benkay;what, asciilifeform generates more -assets lines than me? 587791;1395967315;benkay;psh. 587792;1395967328;benkay;ninjashogun lol 587793;1395967362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0478 = 0.1434 BTC [+] {2} 587794;1395967667;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00093361 = 16.2915 BTC [-] 587795;1395967709;tg2;Not even using gpus, what is this amateur hour? 587796;1395968184;MisterE;morning 587797;1395968191;MisterE;BTC in the shitter, LTC on the operating table but it;s spring in Crimea :) 587798;1395968209;pankkake;meanwhile ATC up 50% 587799;1395968216;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10279 @ 0.00093391 = 9.5997 BTC [+] 587800;1395968217;MisterE;lol realy 587801;1395968226;MisterE;wow 587802;1395968233;MisterE;much profits 587803;1395968287;Apocalyptic;dat ATC pump 587804;1395968314;moiety;lolol kakobrekla mine isn't as bad as i thought it would be in that lines list XD 587805;1395968349;kakobrekla;yea not bad 587806;1395968370;moiety;asciilifeform: did you see MOTD? someone on reddit did it after i posted to photoshopbattles lol 587807;1395968382;MisterE;" Russian Bear Rising - After swallowing Crimea, Putin’s emboldened regime looks for more prey " 587808;1395968401;MisterE;^ wow, such FUD 587809;1395968493;Apocalyptic;MisterE, what's that headline ? 587810;1395968504;MisterE;yea 587811;1395968509;MisterE;http://www.front-lines.com/2014/03/russian-bear-rising-after-swallowing.html 587812;1395968509;ozbot;front lines: Russian Bear Rising - After swallowing Crimea, Putin’s emboldened regime looks for mo 587813;1395968520;davout;!t m x.eur 587814;1395968521;assbot;[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 7D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00214608 / 0.0025 (3831 shares, 8.22 BTC) 587815;1395968708;moiety;anyone seesn these? http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/27/can-you-crack-these-mysterious-codes-found-at-a-canadian-university-4680361/?ITO=facebook 587816;1395969290;tg2;Ikea commercial 587817;1395969314;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00244489 = 0.6112 BTC [+] 587818;1395969433;Apocalyptic;moiety, $100 reward ? seriously ? 587819;1395969436;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 190 @ 0.00244489 = 0.4645 BTC [+] 587820;1395969437;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00093347 = 9.428 BTC [-] {2} 587821;1395969497;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 784 @ 0.00244489 = 1.9168 BTC [+] {3} 587822;1395969517;moiety;Apocalyptic: sounds even wors here >> £54.16 lol 587823;1395969574;moiety;it will be a shopping list in hoax form 587824;1395970652;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av-biQ6rhqE 587825;1395970652;ozbot;Very angry kitty at the Zoo. - YouTube 587826;1395970778;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00093259 = 15.108 BTC [-] 587827;1395970839;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12585 @ 0.00093391 = 11.7533 BTC [+] 587828;1395971022;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.00230371 = 0.3985 BTC [-] {6} 587829;1395971327;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.00600002 = 0.114 BTC [-] 587830;1395971511;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 94 @ 0.00231029 = 0.2172 BTC [+] {3} 587831;1395972085;MisterE;those the lions they killed? 587832;1395972096;MisterE;that zoo should rename itself The Butchery 587833;1395972111;MisterE;srsly though they were following good practice 587834;1395972123;MisterE;just americans hide that stuff behind closed doors 587835;1395972229;PANIC_SELL_NOW;price dropping like a rock, bitcoin banned in china 587836;1395972247;copumpkin;FUD-spreader 587837;1395972277;PANIC_SELL_NOW;no point in denying the truth, bitcoin is banned in china, the chinese brought us from $250 to $1000. and we'll go right back down to $250 587838;1395972304;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20245 @ 0.0009317 = 18.8623 BTC [-] {2} 587839;1395972414;MisterE;not even legit FUD 587840;1395972468;MisterE;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-27/pboc-orders-banks-to-shut-bitcoin-exchange-accounts-caixin-says.html 587841;1395972469;ozbot;Bitcoin Prices Plunge on Report PBOC Orders Accounts Shut - Bloomberg 587842;1395972470;Apocalyptic;$250 is fine for me 587843;1395972523;MisterE;at 250 I'll take cash from the CCs 587844;1395972525;MisterE;to buy in 587845;1395972669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00093391 = 6.8642 BTC [+] 587846;1395972710;noCHINA;did MPEX ever end up giving the SEC satoshidice info? 587847;1395972736;tg2;Not likely 587848;1395972765;BingoBoingo;No 587849;1395972810;tg2;We're the investors in satdice even linked to anything materially? Wasn't it all crypto? 587850;1395972811;Duffer1;there may be an ongoing discussion we're not aware of though 587851;1395972813;noCHINA;back under $500.... down we go 587852;1395972817;benkay;webchat lol 587853;1395972825;benkay;who are you, noCHINA ? 587854;1395972845;tg2;Gpg up heathen 587855;1395972848;noCHINA;no CHINA allowed. 587856;1395972849;Duffer1;tg2 i believe they're just interested in vorhees, not necessarily investors 587857;1395972852;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1760 @ 0.00093119 = 1.6389 BTC [-] 587858;1395972852;noCHINA;no bitcoin in CHINA allowed 587859;1395972864;Apocalyptic;cool story bro 587860;1395972889;noCHINA;i lost 50 BTC today on bitfinex because of china. so no china allowed from now on 587861;1395972905;Apocalyptic;bitfinex is scam, you know that 587862;1395972907;tg2;0x31FAA963C3333333.sec.gpg 587863;1395972907;kakobrekla;who the fuck are all these kids 587864;1395972926;tg2;Can you migrate wot identity to a new key if you sign it with the old? 587865;1395972942;Apocalyptic;tg2, you can 587866;1395972953;Duffer1;just set a new key ya 587867;1395972956;benkay;tg2: for a technical dude you sure don't in2 research 587868;1395972973;tg2;Yah cause I built wot 587869;1395972982;tg2;I'm a big proponent you know 587870;1395972994;benkay;kinda irrelevant 587871;1395972994;tg2;Check my rating 587872;1395973025;Mats_cd03;have you two been trolling each other for hours 587873;1395973048;tg2;No I was actually working today 587874;1395973060;benkay;ditto 587875;1395973074;MisterE;tg2: you're never going to register with gpg and you know it :p 587876;1395973075;Duffer1;;;gpg info tg2 587877;1395973075;gribble;User 'tg2', with keyid 4BCCE0D63E7F049F, fingerprint 54D7E1FD9B9319BE3939878B4BCCE0D63E7F049F, and bitcoin address None, registered on Thu Mar 27 03:33:09 2014, last authed on Thu Mar 27 03:33:09 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=tg2 . Currently authenticated from hostmask tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35 . 587878;1395973081;MisterE;whoa 587879;1395973099;*;MisterE stands corrected 587880;1395973101;benkay;anyone running a pool on how long it takes tg2 to get rated by someone we know? 587881;1395973115;tg2;Put it on bitbet 587882;1395973122;tg2;I'll bet against it 587883;1395973122;benkay;badbet doesn't work 587884;1395973157;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00093032 = 6.8379 BTC [-] 587885;1395973177;benkay;mpoe over 90k all of a sudden 587886;1395973185;benkay;;;ticker 587887;1395973186;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.55, Best ask: 497.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.45000, Last trade: 497.0, 24 hour volume: 54285.48238278, 24 hour low: 466.1, 24 hour high: 571.5, 24 hour vwap: 520.280688897 587888;1395973190;benkay;funny how that works 587889;1395973211;Duffer1;are options trading again? 587890;1395973218;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25569 @ 0.00093003 = 23.7799 BTC [-] {2} 587891;1395973266;tg2;Dem fireworks 587892;1395973279;tg2;one fud article about China 587893;1395973287;tg2;btc on sale 587894;1395973298;Duffer1;;;gpg eauth Duffer1 587895;1395973299;gribble;Request successful for user Duffer1, hostmask Duffer1!~chatzilla@c-98-232-231-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/D5B0A00741A54A60 587896;1395973340;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25917 @ 0.00093069 = 24.1207 BTC [+] {2} 587897;1395973350;Duffer1;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ff6180ec615df6b5ca3a3db746b31eab308de699c0a301f6b3bf22ef 587898;1395973351;gribble;You are now authenticated for user Duffer1 with key D5B0A00741A54A60 587899;1395973369;Duffer1;"This user has not authenticated for more than 104 days. If you are currently talking to someone who claims to be this person, you are probably talking to an impostor and scammer." hehe 587900;1395973462;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00093391 = 6.3506 BTC [+] 587901;1395973572;tg2;I rekon I could get a key id with 10 characters the same 587902;1395973706;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00230673 = 1.1534 BTC [-] {5} 587903;1395973965;MisterE;LAWL: fiat vs. fiat: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/walmart-sues-visa-for-5-billion-for-rigging-card-fees/articleshow/32822191.cms 587904;1395973995;MisterE;http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26780821 587905;1395973996;ozbot;BBC News - Wal-Mart sues Visa for fixing price of credit card fees 587906;1395974024;Duffer1;i don't see why they even need to sue 587907;1395974057;Duffer1;they could simply stop accepting visa 587908;1395974151;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 because they want to make money. 587909;1395974226;MisterE;not accepting visa would be a death sentence for most retailers 587910;1395974234;MisterE;its what enables debit cards to work 587911;1395974241;MisterE;for those without credit 587912;1395974247;mircea_popescu;not so. 587913;1395974256;mircea_popescu;ae worked on exclusive deals with many retailers for ages. 587914;1395974268;mircea_popescu;mc tried something similar with much less success about once a decade since the 80s 587915;1395974279;kakobrekla;anyway, for now 587916;1395974282;kakobrekla;http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com 587917;1395974286;kakobrekla;this is what you get. 587918;1395974319;kakobrekla;nothing shocking 587919;1395974387;MisterE;but if you dont have a credit card and only a bank account with a debit card the visa system is what allows you to use it to make purchases 587920;1395974396;MisterE;and thats how 90% of America shops 587921;1395974402;MisterE;that or credit 587922;1395974438;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20925 @ 0.00093408 = 19.5456 BTC [+] {3} 587923;1395974447;BingoBoingo;http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/what-is-bitcoin/ 587924;1395974448;ozbot;The Fierce Battle for the Soul of Bitcoin | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com 587925;1395974491;asciilifeform;with obligatory 3d coins. 587926;1395974516;mircea_popescu;MisterE perhaps 90% of statistics are made up on the spot. 587927;1395974530;chetty;http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-03/26/biometrics-the-good-and-bad 587928;1395974531;ozbot;Get ready to have your biometrics tracked 24/7 (Wired UK) 587929;1395974560;MisterE;maybe that was but it's the vast majority 587930;1395974568;MisterE;everyone shops int he US with plastic 587931;1395974651;mircea_popescu;plastic != visa electron prepaid "i'm poor" cards. 587932;1395974672;MisterE;these aren't prepaid electron cards 587933;1395974683;MisterE;these are bank issued debit cards with the visa logo 587934;1395974700;MisterE;that makes them able to be used for purchases at most major retailers 587935;1395974717;mircea_popescu;o look at that, wired article about "the soul of bitcoin", in terms of "two schmucks no one heard of or cares about" 587936;1395974771;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 you gonna apply for that eurasia job ? :D 587937;1395974776;MisterE;also it is your bank ATM card 587938;1395974808;MisterE;don't you have an equivalent in Europe? 587939;1395974848;MisterE;hell even backwards Thailand has it 587940;1395974877;mircea_popescu;_aeon loud who ? 587941;1395974938;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre subkeys you generate off a main key aren't more anonymous than the main key. 587942;1395975198;MisterE;use of credit and debit cards, that use the visa network, for shopping is prolific in the US and any retailer who didn't accept them would be suicide. <- Are you arguing against that statement mircea_popescu ? 587943;1395975210;mircea_popescu;yes. 587944;1395975217;MisterE;on what basis? 587945;1395975229;mircea_popescu;i'm even arguing against your counting ability, that's about five statements right there. 587946;1395975230;chetty;MisterE, people just dont use plastic much here 587947;1395975252;MisterE;where is here? I'm talking about the US 587948;1395975266;MisterE;here in Thailand it's much less as well. 587949;1395975272;mircea_popescu;http://www.forbes.com/sites/tjmccue/2013/08/16/why-dont-more-small-businesses-accept-credit-cards/ 587950;1395975273;ozbot;Why Don't More Small Businesses Accept Credit Cards - Forbes 587951;1395975278;noCHINA;orderbook thinning out... 1000 BTC moves price $40 now 587952;1395975279;Duffer1;what would happen to retailers if the debit card ceased to exist? 587953;1395975282;mircea_popescu;"Credit and debit cards are nearly as common as cash. " 587954;1395975289;mircea_popescu;nearly as common means, of course, NOT AS COMMON. 587955;1395975292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00093265 = 22.6634 BTC [-] {2} 587956;1395975299;mircea_popescu;"But data from Intuit shows that 55 percent of the nations 27 million small businesses do not accept credit cards." 587957;1395975307;mircea_popescu;55% means, of course, a majority. 587958;1395975313;MisterE;we're not talkign about small retailers / mom & pop restaurants 587959;1395975314;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 587960;1395975315;mircea_popescu;and credit cards does not mean "visa" 587961;1395975321;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 528.97, vol: 54883.57384786 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 523.999, vol: 24612.3518 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 530.0, vol: 48075.95147316 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 539.4, vol: 302.41934332 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 505.82175, vol: 12461.19300000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 538.28324, vol: 45.71503217 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 529.143997251, vol: 355.19673065 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) 587962;1395975323;BingoBoingo;;;more 587963;1395975323;gribble;average: 526.428775509 587964;1395975324;MisterE;wallmart was the example 587965;1395975328;noCHINA;Visa should just drop teh minimum per-swipe charge and go straight %. they'd make more 587966;1395975328;mircea_popescu;credit cards means american express, visa and mastercard, in that order. 587967;1395975337;noCHINA;walmart suing VISA for $5 billion 587968;1395975338;mircea_popescu;of which total visa is maybe 20% 587969;1395975339;MisterE;yes at mom & pop stores where you spend $10 you pay cash 587970;1395975349;asciilifeform;'debit' card, at least the u.s. variety, has considerably weaker legal fraud protections than the 'credit' card. 587971;1395975350;MisterE;when you go to a supermarket and stock up for the week you use a card 587972;1395975374;mircea_popescu;MisterE unless you're one of the govt poor using the govt's own plastic, which is neither visa nor mc etc. 587973;1395975389;mircea_popescu;so in general : i understand you're living your own life. you'll have to understand your own life is irrelevant. 587974;1395975399;mircea_popescu;the market is a larger thing. 587975;1395975414;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.0009347 = 12.7119 BTC [+] 587976;1395975438;MisterE;you're making assumptions that I;m extrapolating what I do to others 587977;1395975456;mircea_popescu;"<MisterE> we're not talkign about small retailers" / "<MisterE> and any retailer who didn't accept them would be suicide" 587978;1395975461;MisterE;I've lived out of the US for 8-years but even before I left cash usage at large retailers was hard to find 587979;1395975466;mircea_popescu;no, i'm just telling you you're being an idiot. 587980;1395975475;mircea_popescu;stop it, read what you're saying before i do. 587981;1395975484;asciilifeform;might be a geographic thing 587982;1395975489;MisterE;yes any large retailer who told you you can't pay your $100 bull with plastic would be done 587983;1395975501;mircea_popescu;and you know this on the basis of because what. 587984;1395975528;MisterE;because of personal experience, obbviously you have nbot spent much time shopping in rural america at the likes of WlaMart and safeway 587985;1395975531;mircea_popescu;right. 587986;1395975539;mircea_popescu;the place for this sort of nonsense is reddit. 587987;1395975579;MisterE;I'm not sure if your forbes includes debit cards 587988;1395975594;MisterE;ok it does 587989;1395975676;mircea_popescu;noCHINA yeah was a link earlier. 587990;1395975719;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07002031 = 0.2101 BTC [-] 587991;1395975804;MisterE;I have to admit I'm *very* surprised by the stats in the forbes article 587992;1395975903;mircea_popescu;they're not even right, they overstate plastic acceptance. 587993;1395975985;noCHINA;just when you thought bad news was finished for bitcoin -- there is more 587994;1395976002;noCHINA;china ban, then gox crash, then china ban #2, then IRS, 587995;1395976010;noCHINA;its like the good news doesn't factor in at all 587996;1395976023;TestingUnoDosTre;it's like bad news doesn't factor at all 587997;1395976034;TestingUnoDosTre;and it's more like someone who wanted/needed to get rid of coins 587998;1395976063;TestingUnoDosTre;seriously. China ban news was released, and bitcoin held at 580 587999;1395976064;MisterE;yea this last dump, if you can even call it that, was manipulation for sure 588000;1395976083;noCHINA;TestingUnoDosTre: 50,000 BTC sold today-- thats on china news 588001;1395976087;noCHINA;its not a co-incidence 588002;1395976091;TestingUnoDosTre;that's baloney 588003;1395976127;tg2;That's convenient that 50k were sold and none bought :') 588004;1395976128;BingoBoingo;Why is a Canadian so worried about China anyways 588005;1395976233;TestingUnoDosTre;I don't care how many btc were sold today. China news was basically the same shit that was said before, and it was released like 12 hours or more before the MINI crash 588006;1395976241;MisterE;still MP that is 55% of small businesses. when I said not taking visa would be a death sentence I was talking about large retailers like Walmart or Safeway. I'm sure CC acceptance and usage is much higher there and it would be a death sentence for them. 588007;1395976284;noCHINA;there is no such thing as 'manipulation' -- there are only bids and asks ... they're either filled or not 588008;1395976300;MisterE;I cant google up just what % of purchases at large retailers are made with cc 588009;1395976422;TestingUnoDosTre;I never said manipulation. I agree with your statement. Where I disagree is when you claimed that this had to do with some news that was released. 588010;1395976479;mircea_popescu;noCHINA it's rare that news actually has any sort of impact on bitcoin prices. people generally like to see patters, but i've seen hundreds of such claims and they were never right. 588011;1395976509;noCHINA;patterns are nonsense -- its individual whales who move markets, not some lines on a chart 588012;1395976529;MisterE;they might have leaked a rumor before starting to dump 588013;1395976540;noCHINA;TestingUnoDosTre: large whales who want to cash out see 'bad china news' and decide to do it quickly 588014;1395976554;MisterE;then pulled back to scoop up after a drop, thats manipulation 588015;1395976564;mircea_popescu;MisterE if any large retailer decides to stop taking a card it's more like a death sentence to the card than to the retailer. 588016;1395976576;kow;what kind of whales, like blue whales? 588017;1395976576;mircea_popescu;people won't drive an extra gallon of gas just to use random plasic bit X 588018;1395976580;kow;or fin whales? 588019;1395976587;TestingUnoDosTre;lol 588020;1395976589;noCHINA;no its not -- thats just the free market operating... its up to the stupid public to decide if a rumor is real or not before panic selling 588021;1395976595;kow;the humpback whale 588022;1395976604;TestingUnoDosTre;I've been buying all day, and loved it 588023;1395976617;TestingUnoDosTre;hope it crashes again tomorrow 588024;1395976619;noCHINA;if insider trading was legal we'd have much more transparent markets 588025;1395976629;noCHINA;prices would reflect true value at all times 588026;1395976632;TestingUnoDosTre;don't quote me on that 588027;1395976695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00093604 = 26.6771 BTC [+] {4} 588028;1395976722;TestingUnoDosTre;what ridiculousness 588029;1395976731;TestingUnoDosTre;what type of insider trading do you think occurred 588030;1395976756;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.00227755 = 0.4213 BTC [-] {6} 588031;1395976771;chetty;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bjx6dT8CEAAPi6K.jpg 588032;1395976789;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/CRXqxpK.gif 588033;1395976833;TestingUnoDosTre;squeeze bacon and lovable dogs? wtf 588034;1395977000;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 675 @ 0.00220088 = 1.4856 BTC [-] {2} 588035;1395977122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10737 @ 0.00093101 = 9.9963 BTC [-] {2} 588036;1395977183;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 151 @ 0.00217 = 0.3277 BTC [-] {2} 588037;1395977305;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0060016 = 0.114 BTC [+] 588038;1395977343;BingoBoingo;http://deadspin.com/76ers-lose-26-consecutive-games-are-impressively-dedic-1553379598 588039;1395977344;ozbot;76ers Lose 26 Straight Games, Are Impressively Dedicated To Sucking 588040;1395977344;noCHINA;is that squeeze bacon shit real? 588041;1395977387;noCHINA;looks insanely awesome in a not awesome way 588042;1395977624;moiety;BingoBoingo: that one (youtube link) just totally wanted to rip the camera person's face off didnt it?! i think they are known to scalp people 588043;1395977633;BingoBoingo;Yeah 588044;1395977656;moiety;i thought i sensed cute, that gif is epic mircea_popescu 588045;1395977672;mircea_popescu;:D 588046;1395977720;moiety;MisterE: re the lions, i looked into it because i hadn't heard about it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26356099 588047;1395977742;moiety;the dogs head is begger than the whole pup! 588048;1395977746;moiety;bigger* 588049;1395977758;MisterE;yea nothing irregular about it 588050;1395977787;moiety;its awful D: 588051;1395977822;moiety;i have an animal realted story i cant read because im too scraed to scroll, is there an add on that removes pics? like adblock/flashblock? 588052;1395977854;moiety;lets try that again shall we? : i have an animal related story i cant read because im too scared to scroll, is there an add on that removes pics? like adblock/flashblock? 588053;1395978028;chetty;http://fox59.com/2014/03/26/family-claims-hacker-taking-control-of-cable-box-sending-threatening-messages/#ixzz2xA6VAuAf 588054;1395978029;ozbot;Family claims hacker taking control of cable box, sending threats | Fox 59 News – fox59.com 588055;1395978043;MisterE;well we're breeding animals in captivity better now so have "surplus" 588056;1395978438;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2014/vanitas/ 588057;1395978778;mircea_popescu;the20year3 businesses where the big barrier to entry is capital actually are very poor businesses (in that surpluss capacity can be and usually is created on the spot - or in other words, because they have no moats). buffett expounds on this in his 1983 letter if memory serves. 588058;1395978823;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid what start-ups specifically. 588059;1395978859;mircea_popescu;uh i c. 588060;1395978891;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11554 @ 0.00093672 = 10.8229 BTC [+] {2} 588061;1395978891;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5901 = 1.1802 BTC [+] {2} 588062;1395978943;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay lmao nice find. 588063;1395978943;gribble;The operation succeeded. 588064;1395979196;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00604755 = 0.514 BTC [+] {2} 588065;1395979370;mircea_popescu;the20year3 so if the claim is that rent is trading under book, why not buy back shares ? and moreover, is the book value reported anywhere in any sense ? 588066;1395979466;mircea_popescu;xdotcomm_: benkay: how come exchanges /etc are not using this https://gpgauth.org/ << because why would anyone sane give their keys away to some website ? might as well ask why no serious bloggers are ujsing disqus. 588067;1395979541;xdotcomm_;mircea_popescu: i thought it was comporable to irc-bot 588068;1395979545;mircea_popescu;the20year3 this "enough of our shareholders complain" tack is bollocks. i complain, and i'll have your head for it, plain and simple. 588069;1395979591;kakobrekla;nice job outspamming assbot (see below charts) http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com 588070;1395979597;kakobrekla;lets see who gets tired first 588071;1395979598;mircea_popescu;xdotcomm_ how can it be comparable tho ? i mean... gribble actually ads functionality. 588072;1395979607;mircea_popescu;separating a website in two websites doesn't really. 588073;1395979630;kakobrekla;ah i forgot to mention MP re outspamming 588074;1395979640;mircea_popescu;cazalla that's actually an excellent q, hope you get some answer. 588075;1395979647;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla waitwut ? 588076;1395979659;kakobrekla;yeah. 588077;1395979695;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: That's about the sentiment I've been coming to have about my plot coupons. 588078;1395979707;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo thought you'd appreciate that. 588079;1395979745;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-] 588080;1395979749;kakobrekla;you have beaten assbot per last 7 days and per last 30 days mirea. 588081;1395979754;mircea_popescu;deadweasel: why would anybody consult the public? << maybe the public is topless and looks good on its back ? 588082;1395979763;kakobrekla;mircea. 588083;1395979765;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla haha! do a 2013 one ? 588084;1395979766;kakobrekla;goddamn kebroad. 588085;1395979771;mircea_popescu;lmao que broad! 588086;1395979798;kakobrekla;maybe, now its rolling 12 months 588087;1395979812;kakobrekla;i dont have that much history or smth 588088;1395979882;mircea_popescu;o yeah, got started in april huh 588089;1395979905;kakobrekla;im getting outtyped 588090;1395979922;kakobrekla;number 5 on 12 month, number 9 on 30 days and 24 on weekly 588091;1395979939;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2014#587452 he managed to put an empty string in 588092;1395979952;kakobrekla;that bastard 588093;1395980004;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu but it was an empty line 588094;1395980012;BingoBoingo;Is this still an issue... 588095;1395980019;mircea_popescu;his client sucks ? i can't send empty lines 588096;1395980037;mircea_popescu;i didn't even know irc allowed empty lines. 588097;1395980065;kakobrekla;http://shrani.si/f/2o/Tv/2TtdEkf5/benkay.png 588098;1395980069;BingoBoingo;Oh, ellipses don't hide text in the logs that come out of assbot no more 588099;1395980075;kakobrekla;now stop busting my balls and go fix your css 588100;1395980090;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves that's funny, because 99.999% of published researchers live off grants given by the people who want global warming to be a rthing. 588101;1395980114;mircea_popescu;my css is fine in that it doesn't exist. 588102;1395980119;BingoBoingo; 588103;1395980124;kakobrekla;yes its possible to send empty lines but my altgr on mah keyboard is broken 588104;1395980136;kakobrekla;que broad i mean 588105;1395980160;mircea_popescu;aok 588106;1395980166;mircea_popescu;$ticker h neobee 588107;1395980173;mircea_popescu;!ticker h neobee 588108;1395980174;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00155000 / 0.00209392 / 0.00279899 (50471 shares, 105.68201148 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.00269506 / 0.00415500 (131383 shares, 354.08461268 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00387846 / 0.00600000 (562136 shares, 2180.22469375 BTC) 588109;1395980217;mircea_popescu;i guess the 25 people gave up too. 588110;1395980233;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 669 @ 0.00243989 = 1.6323 BTC [+] {3} 588111;1395980241;mircea_popescu;llticker 588112;1395980245;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 588113;1395980245;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 501.79, Best ask: 506.47, Bid-ask spread: 4.68000, Last trade: 501.13, 24 hour volume: 55293.10877297, 24 hour low: 466.1, 24 hour high: 571.5, 24 hour vwap: 517.259175662 588114;1395980255;mircea_popescu;wait wasn't it supposed to have dumped etc. 588115;1395980267;mircea_popescu;these logs i'm reading are delayed or something ;/ 588116;1395980330;mircea_popescu;whoa look at that! i wrote more this past month than the next 4 people bombined ?! 588117;1395980346;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla pls to redirect b-a donations address to trilema kthx 588118;1395980359;lnovy;c-c-c-c-ombo breaker 588119;1395980368;VanCleef;neobee got hammered 588120;1395980387;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu no can do, hackers control donations 588121;1395980388;mircea_popescu;mike_c there's only me posting as me. however, there's multiple people working on feeding me data and other predigested strings. 588122;1395980407;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla lol good one. 588123;1395980459;mircea_popescu;mike_c oldest trick in the book, every talking head on the tv screen has a little speaker in his ear thing. course, my backup is slightly better than what tv stations can afford, but still. 588124;1395980515;mircea_popescu;moiety http://i.imgur.com/WrIzsNQ.gif 588125;1395980721;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00243989 = 2.4399 BTC [+] {2} 588126;1395980722;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00093704 = 22.3016 BTC [+] {2} 588127;1395980791;mircea_popescu;o look, 200 lines in the past coupla hours. poor people trying to read the chan. 588128;1395980904;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00093194 = 15.144 BTC [-] 588129;1395981270;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00093141 = 22.5401 BTC [-] {2} 588130;1395981336;BingoBoingo;Florida Man: http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/tampa-tailgater-caught-on-video-then-for-real/2172272 588131;1395981575;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00093721 = 14.0113 BTC [+] {2} 588132;1395981740;BingoBoingo;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=540216.msg5940098#msg5940098 588133;1395981741;ozbot;Want to edit the wiki without paying a fee? Read this. 588134;1395981819;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05339959 = 0.267 BTC [+] {3} 588135;1395981880;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.05432307 = 0.7062 BTC [+] {4} 588136;1395982186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4636 @ 0.00093724 = 4.345 BTC [+] 588137;1395982429;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00093904 = 11.9728 BTC [+] 588138;1395982430;Mats_cd03;meow 588139;1395982490;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 588140;1395982566;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: RE your next mention of Chicago http://deadspin.com/chicago-sports-radio-host-shits-in-the-studio-flees-th-1553315358 588141;1395982771;mircea_popescu;lol 588142;1395982795;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.006099 = 0.122 BTC [+] 588143;1395982909;TestingUnoDosTre;o shit we are back on global warming 588144;1395982917;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00093871 = 7.5097 BTC [-] 588145;1395982922;copumpkin;I turned the heat up again 588146;1395982978;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.599998 BTC [+] 588147;1395982979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 177 @ 0.00240999 = 0.4266 BTC [+] {2} 588148;1395983039;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.006099 = 0.1159 BTC [+] 588149;1395983272;ThickAsThieves;<kakobrekla> http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com /// neat! i didnt realize i was such a blabber 588150;1395983320;kakobrekla;:) 588151;1395984625;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24750 @ 0.00093904 = 23.2412 BTC [+] 588152;1395985114;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18595 @ 0.00093913 = 17.4631 BTC [+] {3} 588153;1395985174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3605 @ 0.00093933 = 3.3863 BTC [+] 588154;1395985260;bitcoinpete;http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1816762 588155;1395985260;ozbot;LeoGroup Orchestrates Purchase of Stradivarius Violin Using Bitcoin - Press Release - Digital Journa 588156;1395985281;bitcoinpete;trading art for art, eh mircea_popescu? 588157;1395985540;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 944 @ 0.00243063 = 2.2945 BTC [+] {5} 588158;1395985624;BingoBoingo;bitcoinpete: if it were one of the Violas, that would be real news 588159;1395985736;bitcoinpete;i'm still glad to see people with coin shelling out for legit shit 588160;1395985773;bitcoinpete;bitcoins are better spent on one-of-a-kind art than electronics from tigerdirect 588161;1395985787;drkow;tigerdirect is a shit store 588162;1395985790;bitcoinpete;if they must be spent 588163;1395985795;VanCleef;i hope my bitbet gets approved 588164;1395985796;bitcoinpete;they're a store 588165;1395985829;drkow;their bitcoin system isn't working in Canada 588166;1395985840;VanCleef;if you make a new bet and send funds to fund the bet but it doesn't get approved will you get your coin back? 588167;1395985852;drkow;I have been getting great value out of my bitcoins by purchasing (probably carded) gift cards 588168;1395985867;bitcoinpete;drkow where in canada are you? 588169;1395985880;drkow;east 588170;1395985895;bitcoinpete;cool 588171;1395985906;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56564 @ 0.00093851 = 53.0859 BTC [-] {2} 588172;1395985908;drkow;https://cryptothrift.com/ 588173;1395985956;bitcoinpete;drkow assette nubbins' is also east 588174;1395985976;drkow;wat 588175;1395986045;bitcoinpete;another guy here is from the maritimes 588176;1395986067;drkow;oh I'm between toronto/montreal 588177;1395986130;drkow;canada is lame 588178;1395986135;drkow;it's too damn cold 588179;1395986153;bitcoinpete;you ever lived anywhere else? or traveled much at all? 588180;1395986160;drkow;yeah 588181;1395986215;drkow;that's why I hate canada 588182;1395986249;bitcoinpete;well, you know where the door is 588183;1395986532;bitcoinpete;http://blog.oleganza.com/post/80920031705/a-million-dollar-problem-for-bitcoin-exchanges 588184;1395986533;ozbot;Oleg Andreev - A million-dollar problem for Bitcoin exchanges 588185;1395986553;bitcoinpete;my reply: https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/449328380463165440 588186;1395987127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 588187;1395987310;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56250 @ 0.0009393 = 52.8356 BTC [+] {4} 588188;1395987554;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 389 @ 0.00231675 = 0.9012 BTC [-] {10} 588189;1395987615;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00214177 = 2.1418 BTC [-] {13} 588190;1395988042;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00093677 = 5.1054 BTC [-] 588191;1395988122;bitcoinpete;;;later tell benkay it's friday here! 588192;1395988122;gribble;The operation succeeded. 588193;1395988145;bitcoinpete;;;later tell artifexd it's friiiidaaay! 588194;1395988145;gribble;The operation succeeded. 588195;1395989140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2561 @ 0.00093872 = 2.4041 BTC [+] 588196;1395989445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 69 @ 0.0022 = 0.1518 BTC [-] {3} 588197;1395989933;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9724 @ 0.00093677 = 9.1092 BTC [-] 588198;1395990787;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00093957 = 23.0195 BTC [+] {3} 588199;1395991152;cazalla;i enjoy your articles bitcoinpete, easier read than trilema (for me) 588200;1395991214;cazalla;ah, he isn't here, i guess i shouldn't assume everyone uses a bouncer 588201;1395991397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00094036 = 10.9082 BTC [+] 588202;1395991668;bocobit;i read a study that says only 20% of people are capable of independent thought 588203;1395991720;bocobit;which makes you think, am i part of that 20% 588204;1395991761;bocobit;and what constitutes independent thought, what are the parameters 588205;1395991964;bocobit;or maybe even more powerful, what makes the 80% 588206;1395993044;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.006099 = 0.2074 BTC [+] 588207;1395993045;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6936 @ 0.00094043 = 6.5228 BTC [+] {2} 588208;1395993106;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11514 @ 0.00094169 = 10.8426 BTC [+] 588209;1395993349;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20577 @ 0.00094171 = 19.3776 BTC [+] {2} 588210;1395993716;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59512 BTC [-] 588211;1395994023;chetty;bocobit, got a link to that study? 588212;1395994081;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00093859 = 20.649 BTC [-] 588213;1395994264;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00094183 = 17.6122 BTC [+] {2} 588214;1395994874;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00094007 = 0.9401 BTC [-] 588215;1395994996;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10176 @ 0.00093544 = 9.519 BTC [-] {2} 588216;1395995179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24350 @ 0.00093149 = 22.6818 BTC [-] {2} 588217;1395996460;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10074 @ 0.00093177 = 9.3867 BTC [+] 588218;1395997558;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4600 @ 0.00011791 = 0.5424 BTC [+] 588219;1395997680;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22491 @ 0.00093768 = 21.0894 BTC [+] 588220;1395997863;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00223 = 0.145 BTC [+] 588221;1395998290;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14658 @ 0.00093768 = 13.7445 BTC [+] 588222;1395998656;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00093787 = 2.7667 BTC [+] {2} 588223;1395998778;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.05549997 = 0.8325 BTC [+] {10} 588224;1395998839;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 59 @ 0.00241897 = 0.1427 BTC [+] {3} 588225;1395998900;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00241999 = 0.121 BTC [+] 588226;1395998969;jurov;bitcoinpete that oleganza's blog is theoretically nice 588227;1395998993;jurov;but in practice having locked bitcoins in 2-of-2 sig scheme would hurt liquidity 588228;1395999022;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07249996 = 0.145 BTC [+] 588229;1395999083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.071 = 2.201 BTC [-] 588230;1395999101;jurov;such as, traders can claim "no i dispute this trade, wont sign" when market moves unfavorably 588231;1395999144;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07002044 = 0.7002 BTC [-] {2} 588232;1395999190;jurov;and there's where comaprison with NYSE falls short, NYSE can get to court (in worst case) to force misbehaving traders in the line 588233;1395999315;jurov;oh i overlooked the tweet 588234;1395999510;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22310 @ 0.0009382 = 20.9312 BTC [+] {2} 588235;1395999535;MisterE;lol whole lot of butthurt: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg3668730#msg3668730 588236;1395999876;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07000001 = 0.35 BTC [-] 588237;1395999887;VanCleef;poor guy should just refund him 588238;1395999895;MisterE;haha 588239;1396000035;VanCleef;what if u bet on a bet you made but it doesn't get approved 588240;1396000039;VanCleef;do you guys your coins back? 588241;1396000042;VanCleef;get* 588242;1396000156;cazalla;it'll be refunded 588243;1396000338;VanCleef;neat 588244;1396000525;chetty;that argument has been going on forever, a good example of the failure of personal responsibility 588245;1396000547;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.0022 = 0.33 BTC [-] {6} 588246;1396000610;MisterE;this is the kind of people that nanny states produce 588247;1396000627;MisterE;states run by fscking insurance adjustors who have politicians in their pockets 588248;1396000852;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07000001 = 0.21 BTC [-] 588249;1396000929;MisterE;The asshattery with this forum is strong! 588250;1396000958;MisterE;never really read bitcointalk, learned from bloggers and trusted articles or reading / asking questions on irc. 588251;1396000988;chetty;MisterE, most public forums are about the same 588252;1396000989;MisterE;but kakobrekla does come down on em like a ton of bricks lol 588253;1396001340;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.048184 = 0.1446 BTC [+] 588254;1396001401;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23813 @ 0.00093644 = 22.2994 BTC [-] 588255;1396001872;MisterE;lots of blood on the floor over on BTCe lol 588256;1396001966;MisterE;coins nice and cheap 588257;1396002072;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05310102 = 0.1593 BTC [-] 588258;1396002074;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5951 BTC [-] 588259;1396002126;davout;;;later tell benkay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBR4cn2flRU much atmosphere such dark wow 588260;1396002126;gribble;The operation succeeded. 588261;1396002194;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00093702 = 9.5576 BTC [+] 588262;1396002255;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15682 @ 0.00093702 = 14.6943 BTC [+] 588263;1396002499;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00093943 = 12.8232 BTC [+] {2} 588264;1396002804;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00094136 = 20.7099 BTC [+] 588265;1396002987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05310102 = 0.2655 BTC [-] 588266;1396003555;blackwhite;morning 588267;1396004024;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00229 = 1.145 BTC [-] 588268;1396004146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00229478 = 0.1056 BTC [+] {3} 588269;1396004573;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19528 @ 0.00093702 = 18.2981 BTC [-] 588270;1396005183;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.04636667 = 0.5564 BTC [-] {5} 588271;1396005184;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.05310102 = 0.4779 BTC [-] 588272;1396005793;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 216 @ 0.00239999 = 0.5184 BTC [+] {2} 588273;1396005854;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.05310102 = 0.7434 BTC [-] 588274;1396005916;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 78 @ 0.05310102 = 4.1419 BTC [-] 588275;1396006830;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00093648 = 20.3684 BTC [-] {2} 588276;1396007257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00093952 = 16.0658 BTC [+] 588277;1396007712;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bitcoinpete what's that about ? 588278;1396007712;gribble;The operation succeeded. 588279;1396007742;mircea_popescu;VanCleef yes you do get it back. 588280;1396007757;VanCleef;cool thanks 588281;1396007844;mircea_popescu;bocobit i read a study that 80% of studies are pure bullshit. 588282;1396008477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00093952 = 7.892 BTC [+] 588283;1396008904;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.00241797 = 0.4183 BTC [+] {3} 588284;1396008905;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5027 @ 0.00093581 = 4.7043 BTC [-] 588285;1396008966;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5952 = 1.1904 BTC [+] 588286;1396009026;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 225 @ 0.00241797 = 0.544 BTC [-] {2} 588287;1396009027;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5951 = 1.1902 BTC [-] 588288;1396009087;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595001 BTC [-] 588289;1396009148;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.00241797 = 0.1886 BTC [-] 588290;1396009392;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 480 @ 0.00241797 = 1.1606 BTC [-] {2} 588291;1396009453;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00241798 = 0.1064 BTC [+] 588292;1396010185;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0024178 = 0.1934 BTC [-] 588293;1396010186;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00093213 = 8.529 BTC [-] 588294;1396010307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11723 @ 0.00093213 = 10.9274 BTC [-] 588295;1396010856;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.00241799 = 0.1451 BTC [-] 588296;1396011039;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 59 @ 0.00242342 = 0.143 BTC [+] {4} 588297;1396011222;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 95 @ 0.00644423 = 0.6122 BTC [+] {6} 588298;1396011283;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00093283 = 18.0036 BTC [+] {2} 588299;1396011344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 284 @ 0.00243954 = 0.6928 BTC [+] {2} 588300;1396011405;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 451 @ 0.00244016 = 1.1005 BTC [+] {3} 588301;1396012448;artifexd;;;eauth artifexd 588302;1396012449;gribble;Request successful for user artifexd, hostmask artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/11D1433947A3327A 588303;1396012466;artifexd;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:fe0d9a7006ac40048c49ae0e278f7f52c229fdb8b8b55499e7264c31 588304;1396012467;gribble;You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A 588305;1396012492;artifexd;;;rate bitcoinpete 1 Did exactly what he said he would do without delay 588306;1396012493;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bitcoinpete has been recorded. 588307;1396012503;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8479 @ 0.00011406 = 0.9671 BTC [-] {5} 588308;1396012504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00243 = 0.1069 BTC [-] 588309;1396012852;ThickAsThieves;http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/files/2014/03/yPov2-6edb31ce078c1af783908af751887467.gif 588310;1396012875;artifexd;ThickAsThieves Have you heard from Danny lately? Is he ok? 588311;1396013480;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00093554 = 4.7713 BTC [+] 588312;1396013480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05537999 = 0.1661 BTC [+] {2} 588313;1396013494;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=537527.0 588314;1396013495;ozbot;Looking for investment of ~2500 BTC for music festival, return = ~150,000 BTC 588315;1396013500;Duffer1;haven't seen a scam like that before 588316;1396013668;Duffer1;"In 1.5 months of marketing we grew our Facebook page to 9,500 likes with an average unboosted reach of 2,300 people per post" 588317;1396013784;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20772 @ 0.00093751 = 19.474 BTC [+] {4} 588318;1396013862;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: hi 588319;1396013909;CheckDavid;3:53:57 AM mircea_popescu CheckDavid what start-ups specifically. <- you mean to ask which startup specifically I was considering fundraising for? 588320;1396014028;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07287649 = 0.2915 BTC [+] 588321;1396014597;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid yeah but meanwhile my q was answered reading the log. 588322;1396014609;mircea_popescu;listen, the larger part of raising funds is the trust you command. 588323;1396014625;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/la-firma/ < see that thing 588324;1396014626;ozbot;La firma pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 588325;1396014699;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07287659 = 0.2915 BTC [+] 588326;1396014870;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: yes correct. But then one also needs a framework/platform to market my trust 588327;1396014890;CheckDavid;If that made sense 588328;1396014894;mircea_popescu;that'd be the wot, this channel and so forth. 588329;1396014928;CheckDavid;I see. But also a model on what to give in return for funding 588330;1396014942;CheckDavid;Be it equity or something else 588331;1396014966;mircea_popescu;it'd be equity. 588332;1396014979;mircea_popescu;this is a long solved problem, really. 588333;1396014981;Duffer1;you don't necessarily need a platform for that, unless you wanted your investors to be able to exchange quickly 588334;1396014992;CheckDavid;Someone made me consist ways to fund without equity dilution 588335;1396015008;CheckDavid;*consider 588336;1396015075;CheckDavid;Crowd funding is one way people have used to fund without equity distribution 588337;1396015161;Duffer1;do you have a product capable of attracting that kind of funding? 588338;1396015167;mircea_popescu;that's in no way related to funding. 588339;1396015184;mircea_popescu;there's business and then there's nonsense. i'm sure some kids somewhere are playing with money, but that has no bearing on business. 588340;1396015188;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0464 = 0.232 BTC [-] 588341;1396015249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3987 @ 0.00093637 = 3.7333 BTC [-] 588342;1396015273;CheckDavid;I see. So your take is that equity must be allocated to the investors right? 588343;1396015280;mircea_popescu;yes. 588344;1396015296;CheckDavid;Duffer1: no. Not yet at least 588345;1396015304;chetty;Crossword puzzles in a local Venezuelan newspaper are calling readers to violent protests with conspiratorial messages, the countrys information minister said today. 588346;1396015309;mircea_popescu;you can either take investment, which is a distribution of equity no matter how you disgusie it, from bfl-style to any other style, 588347;1396015318;mircea_popescu;or else you can take a loan, which is a loan. 588348;1396015319;mircea_popescu;that's it. 588349;1396015371;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6851 @ 0.00093637 = 6.4151 BTC [-] 588350;1396015377;CheckDavid;Can this loan depend on the business performance alone? 588351;1396015401;CheckDavid;Or would it have to be a personal loan in some way as well? 588352;1396015567;mircea_popescu;no. a loan has no relation to the business performance, a loan is predicated on the credibility of the underwriter. 588353;1396015573;mircea_popescu;equity is related to the business performance. 588354;1396015614;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595005 BTC [+] 588355;1396015790;CheckDavid;I see. 588356;1396015841;CheckDavid;You are a very traditional business guy. 588357;1396015859;CheckDavid;You are the Warren Buffett of btc lol 588358;1396015919;mircea_popescu;you know, gravity didn't change direction since it was invented. 588359;1396015937;mircea_popescu;even if female dress and hairdo changed significnatly, and quite cyclically. 588360;1396015939;mircea_popescu;some things never change. 588361;1396015968;mircea_popescu;her tits will always point downwards on the long run, no matter what she wears. 588362;1396015981;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001179 = 0.1179 BTC [+] {2} 588363;1396016004;CheckDavid;Do you intend to say one should always short women? 588364;1396016023;CheckDavid;I very much appreciate the stock tip kind sir 588365;1396016045;assbot;Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1761369/plain/) 588366;1396016045;pankkake;!b 6 588367;1396016142;pankkake;lessons learned: SATA is shit, NCQ is shit, XFS is shit, GPU fans are shit 588368;1396016148;pankkake;…but I should finally be back 588369;1396016163;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00093573 = 24.984 BTC [-] {2} 588370;1396016225;mircea_popescu;wb! 588371;1396016252;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: can u give me a car pliz? And a 3d printer tnx 588372;1396016269;pankkake;just print your car 588373;1396016278;CheckDavid;Haha 588374;1396016468;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4390 @ 0.0009381 = 4.1183 BTC [+] 588375;1396016566;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu benkay and artifexd were generous enough to lend me a few satoshis a week ago, which i duly repaid with interest today so as to learn that variety speak :D 588376;1396016576;bitcoinpete;artifexd ty! 588377;1396016584;artifexd;np 588378;1396016618;bitcoinpete;artifexd noob question: do i rate you as well? 588379;1396016647;artifexd;That is up to you. 588380;1396016650;Duffer1;you can rate anyone for anything 588381;1396016834;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00093963 = 15.5039 BTC [+] 588382;1396016956;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00242 = 0.2178 BTC [-] 588383;1396017088;bitcoinpete;http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/pp2.pdf 588384;1396017177;bitcoinpete;Chamath is spot on here: "We’ve got to flush out all the has-beens and also-rans. There’s a bunch of amateur hour bullshit in the bitcoin ecosystem.” 588385;1396017261;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07287999 = 0.6559 BTC [+] {3} 588386;1396017380;Mats_cd03;hi QTs 588387;1396017415;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-bezzle-usd-and-the-tide-usd/ 588388;1396017415;ozbot;The bezzle-USD and the tide-USD pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 588389;1396017443;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete whats not clear is who chamath is and why does he get to say this. 588390;1396017444;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.595002 = 1.19 BTC [-] 588391;1396017445;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 449 @ 0.00576817 = 2.5899 BTC [-] {6} 588392;1396017461;Mats_cd03;CheckDavid: have you considered enrolling in an intro accounting course? i think it would benefit you 588393;1396017505;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.595005 = 2.975 BTC [+] 588394;1396017510;Mats_cd03;mircea_popescu: good timing, i just finished brewing coffee 588395;1396017516;mircea_popescu;hehe yw. 588396;1396017557;Dimsler_;the problem with ukraine 588397;1396017567;Dimsler_;is that its not a real country 588398;1396017573;Dimsler_;i do not understand why anyone cares 588399;1396017574;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu he's one of the brighter valleyers https://twitter.com/chamath not that this gives him credibility 588400;1396017581;Mats_cd03;because youre a shit reader 588401;1396017588;Mats_cd03;do you know what a warm water port is? 588402;1396017602;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete talking about "bunch of amateur hour buyllshit in the bitcoin """ecosystem"""" in a pdf file ? 588403;1396017605;mircea_popescu;surely you see the humor. 588404;1396017625;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 that explains why the russians care, which was quite clear. 588405;1396017627;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.0009381 = 5.5817 BTC [-] 588406;1396017636;mircea_popescu;course we know why exactly the us cares too, at that level. 588407;1396017641;Dimsler_;the belonged to russians 588408;1396017643;Dimsler_;in the first place 588409;1396017648;mircea_popescu;so did alaska. 588410;1396017651;Mats_cd03;only nominally 588411;1396017654;Dimsler_;just like 1/2 belong to poland 588412;1396017665;Dimsler_;wtf do you mean nominally 588413;1396017666;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu i sequenced those poorly, first was a document by taleb & co., second was a random quote 588414;1396017669;Dimsler_;go pick up a fuckign history book 588415;1396017684;mircea_popescu;oh. i wish taleb embraced sanity ;/ 588416;1396017709;Dimsler_;live in a box die in a box 588417;1396017712;mircea_popescu;bitcoinpete anyway, if you know the chap, perhaps drop him a link. as usual, the clearing of bs starts with teh self. 588418;1396017725;mircea_popescu;Dimsler_ why are you so aggro anyway 588419;1396017746;Dimsler_;because its the same bs on the news like always 588420;1396017750;Dimsler_;the american world police 588421;1396017762;Dimsler_;making a big deal about ukraine 588422;1396017781;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu i only know him by reputation, such as it is. yes, some vetting is in order 588423;1396017801;Mats_cd03;crimea was an autonomous republic, not a sovereign territory with its own government 588424;1396017812;Dimsler_;shutup with that nonsense 588425;1396017825;Mats_cd03;its the functional equivalent of macao, singapore, taiwan, hong kong, or scotland deciding, lets organize militias and be rowdy 588426;1396017831;Dimsler_;using your bs coin terms sovereignity 588427;1396017832;Dimsler_;yeah right 588428;1396017833;Dimsler_;lol 588429;1396017837;Dimsler_;"republic" 588430;1396017842;kakobrekla;>@teddy @Xapo we've entrusted them with a shit-ton of BTC...so have other big institutional funds...its a good sign. 588431;1396017845;kakobrekla;yeah. 588432;1396017850;Mats_cd03;sovereignty as its used in international law, yes 588433;1396017855;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 wasn't it a khanate originally ? that's EXACTLY what they did. 588434;1396017871;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla who this ? 588435;1396017875;Mats_cd03;and they've been properly slapped down 588436;1396017887;Mats_cd03;because poor people with firearms always ends up well 588437;1396017897;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 on a long enough timeline everyone's getting slapped down properly. 588438;1396017919;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu / bitcoinpete http://twitter.com/chamath/status/445368482306064384 588439;1396017939;Dimsler_;ukraine should be hacked up 588440;1396017940;Dimsler_;into pieces 588441;1396017945;Dimsler_;like the russians suggested 588442;1396017948;Dimsler_;plain and simple 588443;1396017958;Dimsler_;half that territory was polish 588444;1396017973;Dimsler_;the kosack was a fucking nomad 588445;1396017975;Dimsler_;he didn't care 588446;1396017999;bitcoinpete;kakobrekla mircea_popescu oof. dunce cappery 588447;1396018008;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/449558141525827584 588448;1396018030;bitcoinpete;irllol 588449;1396018036;kakobrekla;heh 588450;1396018060;bitcoinpete;that's good shit 588451;1396018078;Mats_cd03;mircea_popescu: i think the latest post would be better with a link for the tide reference, e.g. http://nymag.com/news/features/tide-detergent-drugs-2013-1/ 588452;1396018078;mircea_popescu;i suppose we'll see another anil dash-esque butthurt explosion followed by trying to date me 588453;1396018083;mircea_popescu;but what can you do for these people. 588454;1396018118;Dimsler_;evicerate the proliteriate 588455;1396018118;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 i kinda left it unreferenced fishing for noobs tbh. i'm kinda hoping the average clueless yet opinionanted keyboard warrior may pick on it to try and "mock" me. 588456;1396018120;Duffer1;bring lube? 588457;1396018130;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu maybe chamath will ask you what kind of shampoo you use 588458;1396018136;mircea_popescu;<Dimsler_> evicerate the proliteriate < epic 588459;1396018146;mircea_popescu;also, brb, gotta trample this mouse underfoot. 588460;1396018285;CheckDavid;Mats_cd03: I did not. But yes maybe it would 588461;1396018296;CheckDavid;Do you have any suggestion? 588462;1396018298;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18092 @ 0.00093963 = 16.9998 BTC [+] 588463;1396018326;mircea_popescu;Kolin Burgess, a British bitcoin investor who spent much of Tuesday protesting outside of Mt. Goxs abandoned office, in Tokyo, told a reporter for Reuters that he thought he had accumulated Bitcoins that were worth three hundred thousand dollars at the markets peak. Im very angry, he said. It looks like thats disappeared. 588464;1396018327;mircea_popescu;epic. 588465;1396018482;CheckDavid;He can't buy a new car now 588466;1396018538;Mats_cd03;CheckDavid: i dunno, khan academy does alright, but i took accounting when i was in university - up to you to find a good resource 588467;1396018577;Mats_cd03;i did find an excellent pdf on finance earlier today for an aspiring quant 588468;1396018608;mircea_popescu;the problem with learnin accounting is that it's not an art, it's a craft. you can perhaps learn philosophy in your own time, of \your own volition. accounting however requires a reshaping of your mental process, which people never undertake willingly. 588469;1396018618;Mats_cd03;some of you might find it useful http://www.forex-warez.com/Trading%20Books/Paul%20Wilmott%20-%20FAQ%20in%20Quantitative%20Finance/Paul%20Wilmott%20-%20FAQ%20in%20Quantitative%20Finance.pdf 588470;1396018636;Mats_cd03;i hate the internet... stupid spaces 588471;1396018637;mircea_popescu;forex-warez ?! we're clearly running out of brands. 588472;1396018656;Mats_cd03;ya dude its the blackest market 588473;1396018663;Mats_cd03;/s 588474;1396018911;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/545ff62b833b121337733d02590e376c/tumblr_mm48pv0iPQ1rmcr76o1_1280.jpg 588475;1396018928;mircea_popescu;teh tramborghini! 588476;1396019033;CheckDavid;Ok. Thanks Mats_cd03 588477;1396019082;bitcoinpete;i put tramborghini doors on my escalade 588478;1396019094;bitcoinpete;more taleb, this time on options: http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/OptionPricing.pdf 588479;1396019104;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: descending trend? 588480;1396019152;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04560025 = 0.1824 BTC [-] 588481;1396019213;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6753 @ 0.00093963 = 6.3453 BTC [+] 588482;1396019274;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00094228 = 13.1919 BTC [+] {2} 588483;1396019335;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12455 @ 0.00093824 = 11.6858 BTC [-] {3} 588484;1396019410;bitcoinpete;;;later tell benkay i also quite enjoyed your last 2 articles. https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/449428017115181056 https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/449428228780740609 588485;1396019410;gribble;The operation succeeded. 588486;1396019429;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid hm ? 588487;1396019518;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00093636 = 0.9832 BTC [-] 588488;1396020032;CheckDavid;mircea_popescu: fundamental analysis revealed that pair is in a downward trend 588489;1396020071;kakobrekla;;;later tell davout the printing to pdf you suggested was rejected > "unreadable / bad quality / truncated (4)" 588490;1396020071;gribble;The operation succeeded. 588491;1396020077;CheckDavid;You know? The pair? 588492;1396020085;CheckDavid;Hint: not currency pair 588493;1396020106;mircea_popescu;uh. 588494;1396020109;mircea_popescu;lol 588495;1396020117;mircea_popescu;you trying to say the girl is going down ? 588496;1396020128;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 900 @ 0.00241 = 2.169 BTC [-] 588497;1396020159;CheckDavid;2:13:02 PM mircea_popescu her tits will always point downwards on the long run, no matter what she wears. 588498;1396020272;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinmagazine.com/11599/fraud-detection-world-bitcoin/ 588499;1396020282;bitcoinpete;this is lulzy 588500;1396020336;mircea_popescu;http://btcmag.9wizards.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ch-header.jpg 588501;1396020341;mircea_popescu;their ad is even better. 588502;1396020391;bitcoinpete;https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/449568135234846722 588503;1396020392;ozbot;Twitter / bitcoinpete: @bitcorati Fraud detection ... 588504;1396020412;bitcoinpete;because words 588505;1396020595;mircea_popescu;i think he means a different sort of fraud detection. 588506;1396020616;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00241 = 0.1205 BTC [-] 588507;1396020860;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595005 BTC [+] 588508;1396020861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00607498 = 0.1822 BTC [+] {2} 588509;1396020874;punkman;well shit, disk just had the CLICK OF DEATH, I think I lost a wallet 588510;1396020937;mircea_popescu;apparently, if you mostly follow chicks on twitter your timeline is full of women. 588511;1396021026;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu mostly, yes, you're right. 588512;1396021048;bounce;banking security: bank sends plain text passwords in email. says it's safe because to log in you also need to know an email address. *that* email address, yes. 588513;1396021071;Mats_cd03;punkman: if youre unlucky you'll spend $200-500 to recover it 588514;1396021087;punkman;Mats_cd03: it was a doge wallet, not sure I care 588515;1396021094;Mats_cd03;lol 588516;1396021123;punkman;(inb4 WHY U NO BACKUPS) 588517;1396021165;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6889 @ 0.00093695 = 6.4546 BTC [+] 588518;1396021183;punkman;!t h neobee 588519;1396021184;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00155000 / 0.00206041 / 0.00276488 (51611 shares, 106.33997891 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.00266469 / 0.00415500 (136878 shares, 364.73771220 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00380173 / 0.00600000 (556467 shares, 2115.53536147 BTC) 588520;1396021313;mircea_popescu;bounce ayup. 588521;1396021339;mircea_popescu;omg doge deflation 588522;1396021354;pLambert;!t h rent 588523;1396021355;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.00570296 / 0.00649990 (1927 shares, 10.98959692 BTC), 7D: 0.00520970 / 0.00555269 / 0.00649990 (4050 shares, 22.48839803 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00556877 / 0.00900001 (48203 shares, 268.43165089 BTC) 588524;1396021428;bounce;somebody needs to write a banking front-end that actually makes sense. features like ability to feed it your gpg key. I'd write it except I have no contacts with banks so they'll never buy such off of me. (what give software away? to *banks*?) 588525;1396021470;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.00574951 = 0.5807 BTC [-] {6} 588526;1396021482;punkman;bounce: need a proper backend first 588527;1396021487;mircea_popescu;bounce it's a moot point. banks aren't able to buy it anyway, unless the govt says do it. 588528;1396021502;mircea_popescu;much better to just make mpex run the current version of "banks" out of business completely, 588529;1396021508;mircea_popescu;then it'll be a moot point. 588530;1396021531;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595005 BTC [+] 588531;1396021554;rithm;is this the new -otc where the mindless chatter happens 588532;1396021561;punkman;http://iang.org/papers/triple_entry.html 588533;1396021562;ozbot;Triple Entry Accounting 588534;1396021564;rithm;that's a highlevel observation type question 588535;1396021566;mircea_popescu;rithm hopefully not. 588536;1396021572;rithm;ijs 588537;1396021584;rithm;i see a lot of channels but only some of them light up 588538;1396021610;mircea_popescu;now that's a great link punkman 588539;1396021618;punkman;relevant to "proper backend" 588540;1396021636;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-bezzle-usd-and-the-tide-usd/#comment-98746 588541;1396021642;mircea_popescu;i was actually looking for it 588542;1396021734;punkman;also http://iang.org/ssl/h3_there_is_only_one_mode_and_it_is_secure.html 588543;1396021752;punkman;"It should take an Act of God to start up in anything but the best possible security you can manage. A Presidential Order doesn't cut it. " 588544;1396021809;Mats_cd03;asciilifeform: the 556 will prevail, in answer to your question. 588545;1396021891;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: history suggests that the 'lead standard' mode of a given country is strictly connected to what can be pilfered from military supplies, when the men guarding them turn free agent. so you're almost certainly correct. 588546;1396021897;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00240999 = 0.3494 BTC [-] {2} 588547;1396021905;asciilifeform;unless mexico makes the difference. 588548;1396021995;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform responded. 588549;1396021997;mike_c;geez, those furry beasts in the water on trilema are so cute i'm going to puke. 588550;1396022009;Mats_cd03;i was mostly thinking that the round is superior, is all. the weapons and rounds themselves are lighter than their counterparts 588551;1396022012;rithm;walmart has sued visa 588552;1396022019;rithm;this should beinteresting 588553;1396022040;mike_c;nah, lawyers will get paid and an agreement will be made. 588554;1396022040;mircea_popescu;mike_c >D 588555;1396022046;rithm;lately i find lawsuits to be some sort of method for absconding or hiding sums of monies 588556;1396022068;rithm;a lawsuit can be a further laundry 588557;1396022068;mircea_popescu;rithm you don't say. 588558;1396022080;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07288477 = 0.4373 BTC [+] {2} 588559;1396022084;rithm;wise beyond my years, i know 588560;1396022127;rithm;in my juvenile state i always assumed a lawsuit was a negative event 588561;1396022139;rithm;but i now i just see the spin cycle 588562;1396022140;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: 'lead standard' (currency of a country in civil war) is rarely about military/technological superiority, except in degenerate case (e.g. british 'maxim' vs. zulu spear) 588563;1396022141;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07299999 = 0.438 BTC [+] {2} 588564;1396022241;Mats_cd03;wasn't disagreeing with you, just reflecting on qualitative differences 588565;1396022385;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.43923397 BTC to 4`857 shares, 50221 satoshi per share 588566;1396022418;Mats_cd03;interestingly, china is not well armed compared to the rest of the world 588567;1396022512;asciilifeform;Mats_cd03: the well-armed are the folks with the industrial capacity. and that would be who - if not china ? 588568;1396022538;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and again. 588569;1396022548;asciilifeform;granted their arms might still be buried in the ground, as ore, at the moment 588570;1396022562;Mats_cd03;i see your point, although im thinking of privately owned small firearms 588571;1396022588;the20year2;armed as what? 588572;1396022600;Mats_cd03;they certainly do have a habit of burying them and then digging them up for use against invaders every few hundred years 588573;1396022606;the20year2;China arms most of the middle east with weapons 588574;1396022606;asciilifeform;i would guess (by no means an expert guess, but that of armchair general) that the 'most barrels per man' is somewhere in the arab world 588575;1396022630;mircea_popescu;i imagine it's somewhere in the ex-russian central asia. 588576;1396022632;Mats_cd03;http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/A-Yearbook/2007/en/Small-Arms-Survey-2007-Chapter-02-annexe-4-EN.pdf 588577;1396022636;mircea_popescu;from mongolia to some stan 588578;1396022636;bounce;china has lots of cannon fodder. add some cheap mass-produced tat, and any opponent still has a bit of a problem. 588579;1396022654;mircea_popescu;bounce actually, that was the 70s. today, china leads the us in the space race. 588580;1396022668;Mats_cd03;it is remarkable to me that the greatest danger to chinese public safety 588581;1396022683;Mats_cd03;are people armed with kitchen knives and motorcycles 588582;1396022690;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1030 @ 0.00222226 = 2.2889 BTC [-] {14} 588583;1396022692;the20year2;and molotov cocktails 588584;1396022711;Mats_cd03;if the country wasnt shitty in other ways id love to live there, social stability and chinese women sounds great 588585;1396022729;mircea_popescu;if chinese women weren't ugly ;/ 588586;1396022736;the20year2;and all gold diggers 588587;1396022742;the20year2;All the guys I know in china hate the women there 588588;1396022750;mircea_popescu;a woman can be trained. 588589;1396022775;bounce;that they do. not like the US couldn't see it coming, or anything. just that china can make do with very little. on top of that, they do have what looks like decent kit these days. 588590;1396022779;Mats_cd03;you guys must be great in social settings 588591;1396022845;the20year2;I certainly am! 588592;1396022901;mircea_popescu;were you being sarcastic ? my absent social skills prevent me from discerning sarcasm online. 588593;1396022921;pLambert;according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country the US has the most guns per person 588594;1396022934;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00093964 = 9.7723 BTC [+] 588595;1396022935;the20year2;And it's growing a little every day 588596;1396022941;the20year2;Jan and Feb firearm sales were astronomical 588597;1396022942;asciilifeform;pLambert: 'barrels per man' includes 'man' and not merely 'barrels' 588598;1396022950;asciilifeform;cannon cannot fight by itself 588599;1396022952;bounce;too bad dual wielding isn't what the gamer kids believe it is 588600;1396022967;mircea_popescu;lol 588601;1396022976;the20year2;gamer kids have no hope 588602;1396022996;bounce;though there's the ROTM 588603;1396023004;pLambert;I don't get it, whats the diff between barrels-per-man and guns-per-capita? 588604;1396023025;mircea_popescu;there's a lot more to that man angle than anyone readily admits. take that recent treysomething or the other case. 588605;1396023029;mircea_popescu;the monkey got shot, in the end, it's true 588606;1396023030;the20year2;double barreled shotguns count as two! 588607;1396023034;asciilifeform;pLambert: picture one of those palestinian hospital-cum-armoury places 588608;1396023040;mircea_popescu;only after beating the shit out of the eventual shooter for half an hour. 588609;1396023044;mircea_popescu;that won't wash irl. 588610;1396023051;asciilifeform;hundreds of wounded, plus women and children 'shields', enough artillery to equip a division 588611;1396023060;asciilifeform;but is there a division there? 588612;1396023070;the20year2;not division strength :D 588613;1396023081;mircea_popescu;people who shoot you the moment you've looked the wrong way are quite different from people who scuffle with you over their own gun which then sorta-accidentally discharges. 588614;1396023132;asciilifeform;a fixation on hardware is one of the 'professional diseases' of technological civilization 588615;1396023145;the20year2;i just don't like the people that complain about the legal constructs of the state for self defense and want to make it illegal to defend yourself 588616;1396023172;asciilifeform;;;google yi yi zhi yi 588617;1396023172;gribble;Continuosly in Mandarin Chinese - Yi Zhi - Mandarin Language: <http://mandarin.about.com/od/dailymandarin/a/yizhi.htm>; Zhi Yi Ong | University of Pennsylvania Department of Psychology: <http://psychology.sas.upenn.edu/node/22406>; Yi-Zhi Huang - Department of Mathematics: <http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~yzhuang/> 588618;1396023180;asciilifeform;retarded. 588619;1396023184;Mats_cd03;i believe owning a weapon is a privilege rather than a right 588620;1396023186;asciilifeform;;;google "yi yi zhi yi" 588621;1396023187;gribble;Continuosly in Mandarin Chinese - Yi Zhi - Mandarin Language: <http://mandarin.about.com/od/dailymandarin/a/yizhi.htm>; Zhi Yi Ong | University of Pennsylvania Department of Psychology: <http://psychology.sas.upenn.edu/node/22406>; Yi-Zhi Huang - Department of Mathematics: <http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~yzhuang/> 588622;1396023191;asciilifeform;ok no dice. 588623;1396023193;the20year2;And I don't 588624;1396023214;mircea_popescu;owning a weapon is an ability. 588625;1396023214;the20year2;I feel that the ability to adequately defend yourself and your family isn't just a right, it's required 588626;1396023216;Mats_cd03;i believe should be compelled to prove competency with it as well as commit to securing the weapon 588627;1396023219;mircea_popescu;privileges and rights don't enter into it. 588628;1396023223;Mats_cd03;^ you 588629;1396023230;bounce;well, there's more to it than that. in the USoA there's also a strong cultural current that requires guns. and, relatedly, something to fight, so they'll keep on looking for exactly that. in that sense two wars at the same time is them 'merkins having a cultural field day. 588630;1396023239;mircea_popescu;the gun was there before there were privileges, rights or beliefs 588631;1396023244;mircea_popescu;it will hopefully survive all that crud. 588632;1396023257;asciilifeform;deadliest known weapon, long before gunpowder, is: set of balls 588633;1396023263;the20year2;The technological prerequisite to production of a firearm is quite low 588634;1396023280;Mats_cd03;in practical terms securing the weapon means two different locks for the bolt carrier group and the upper receiver 588635;1396023300;the20year2;which prevents access in time of emergency or delays a theif by a whole minute or two 588636;1396023304;Mats_cd03;if that was imposed, people dying of negligent discharges would drop 90% 588637;1396023322;the20year2;Negligent discharges are quite low overall and are decreasing by pretty large amounts in the US 588638;1396023331;Mats_cd03;if it takes you a minute to remove two locks and assemble the weapon you deserve to die to a home invasion 588639;1396023341;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 two different locks ? 588640;1396023346;mircea_popescu;what are you making there, a hope chest ? 588641;1396023349;the20year2;You think most people can do that when their door is being busted down? 588642;1396023361;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00093549 = 13.0501 BTC [-] {4} 588643;1396023381;asciilifeform;my understanding is that such locks are usually meant against the owner's sons rather than enemies 588644;1396023384;the20year2;Why not require the same of police officers too? Since they have the same, or more negligent discharges than civilians 588645;1396023393;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 by the same argument, people who die by negligent discharge deserve to die anwyay / 588646;1396023394;Mats_cd03;youre more likely to die to a negligent discharge than to a home invasion 588647;1396023403;mike_c;the20year2: probably not a percentage basis? 588648;1396023408;Mats_cd03;thats the reasoning, anyway 588649;1396023416;the20year2;And you're more likely to be in a car accident 100 times over than an accidental firearm discharge 588650;1396023420;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i seriously don't see who'd like to keep that particular son. 588651;1396023438;mircea_popescu;the best way to raise boys is to regularly give them enough rope to hang themselves and then enforce the hanging once they started it. 588652;1396023444;bounce;well, it's a bit of a problem if that son first shoots half a magazine worth of neighbours 588653;1396023446;mike_c;the20year2: again.. seems misleading. is that just for gun owners? 588654;1396023458;asciilifeform;perhaps no one, but others want to keep theirs - and their domestic animals, window glass, etc. 588655;1396023463;the20year2;Among all accidental firearm discharges in the US , there were 600 deaths last year 588656;1396023488;the20year2;Compared to 3,500 drowning deaths, 750 people beat to death with hands and feet, 40,000 alcohol related deaths and 500,000 tobacco related deaths 588657;1396023510;mike_c;yes, but everybody has hands and feet. not everybody has guns. 588658;1396023515;asciilifeform;death statistics are a tiresome subject. no one dies of statistics. 588659;1396023519;Mats_cd03;how do you propose solving social problems with statistics 588660;1396023544;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28391 @ 0.00093973 = 26.6799 BTC [+] 588661;1396023551;the20year2;Well, i could base everything on how I "Feel", but i don't know that my feelings would have any impact on others 588662;1396023552;chetty;no such thing as social problems 588663;1396023558;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/L6MvbiG.jpg 588664;1396023594;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many deaths are "related" to statistics 588665;1396023601;mircea_popescu;in the sense they are "related" to tobacco 588666;1396023606;chetty;95% 588667;1396023634;asciilifeform;i can think of one example 588668;1396023653;mircea_popescu;let's see... if some guy needs an operation and the insurance won't clear it because they judge he's too old/poor/etc, and he dies 588669;1396023660;mircea_popescu;this would be a statistics related death neh ? 588670;1396023668;asciilifeform;when the usg banned the instant 'hiv' tester device, the argument, if i recall, was that people would kill themselves on learning the result, if no surrounded by government-approved shrinks 588671;1396023679;mircea_popescu;lol 588672;1396023681;benkay;;;gpg eauth benkay 588673;1396023681;gribble;Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@216-161-94-151.ptld.qwest.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7 588674;1396023694;the20year2;Didn't all those people die during holomodor due to USSR's amazing statistics & record keeping? 588675;1396023694;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 588676;1396023698;benkay;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:983637eb42b48a2be08fe9d0aa52ad0f7cb6412de4764cff08499c25 588677;1396023699;mircea_popescu;wait, hiv testing is banned in the us?! 588678;1396023699;benkay; 588679;1396023699;gribble;You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7 588680;1396023708;mircea_popescu;the20year2 it definitely could be argued. 588681;1396023708;benkay;;;rate bitcoinpete 1 does what he says he will. 588682;1396023710;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bitcoinpete has been recorded. 588683;1396023725;mircea_popescu;twas holodomor too 588684;1396023740;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not banned as such. but the 'holy grail' that could have eradicated the virus, a pocket-sized instant electronic gizmo, sat in a glass case at one of my old employers' facility 588685;1396023750;asciilifeform;and is not to be found at pharmacy. 588686;1396023754;the20year2;Although you could also blame it on lynshenkoism (sp) which kind of is a statistical thing there too 588687;1396023766;mircea_popescu;dja know how miciurin died ? 588688;1396023779;asciilifeform;'fell from a strawberry tree' ? 588689;1396023788;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.04541482 = 1.5441 BTC [-] {6} 588690;1396023789;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00094255 = 43.263 BTC [+] {5} 588691;1396023793;mircea_popescu;aye. 588692;1396023799;asciilifeform;like a jpm accountant. 588693;1396023803;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://www.fda.gov/forconsumers/consumerupdates/ucm310545.htm ? 588694;1396023846;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not this one. a re-usable, electronic gizmo that took a few min. 588695;1396023849;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055055 = 0.1101 BTC [-] {2} 588696;1396023861;asciilifeform;could've been used by civilians prior to putting on condom, etc. 588697;1396023872;mircea_popescu;this seems to work the same way neh ? 588698;1396023879;mircea_popescu;i know pron companies now use something on the sets. 588699;1396023890;mircea_popescu;after that major scare a few years back 588700;1396023896;asciilifeform;the difference is important (expensive, disposable, slow) vs. reusable (cheap), compact, fast. 588701;1396023907;mircea_popescu;who reuses a hiv test ?! 588702;1396023911;mircea_popescu;seems a bad idea. 588703;1396023919;asciilifeform;i believe the gizmo in question used a 'microarray' 588704;1396023924;mircea_popescu;"i got hiv from sharing the hiv tester with a hiv sufferer" 588705;1396023938;asciilifeform;(SRAM with immunoreactant crap permanently bonded to the capacitors) 588706;1396023945;asciilifeform;spit, wash. 588707;1396023948;asciilifeform;repeat. 588708;1396023972;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07199 = 0.36 BTC [-] 588709;1396023982;mircea_popescu;o 588710;1396023996;asciilifeform;incidentally, the same tech could easily test the composition of a drug (pharmacy or back alley, user's choice) 588711;1396024004;mircea_popescu;yeah 588712;1396024012;asciilifeform;these things actually work. 588713;1396024136;asciilifeform;in usa (and colonies) - a fellow who sells actual solutions to 'social problem' crapola is liable to 'begin to have problems.' 588714;1396024140;benkay;mircea_popescu: re gpgauth.org, that doesn't store private keys though. 588715;1396024147;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=537545.msg5950668#msg5950668 588716;1396024149;ozbot;New regulated UK exchange opening 588717;1396024151;mircea_popescu;nefario trying the kenna trick. 588718;1396024178;mircea_popescu;benkay no i understand that. but if you use it, you have to still secure your site, 588719;1396024187;mircea_popescu;and then hope that both gpgauth and your link to it is also secure. 588720;1396024206;asciilifeform;letmepawnmystolencraponyou.com 588721;1396024209;asciilifeform;or something like that 588722;1396024241;BingoBoingo;Duffer1: Your link looked link Dank discovered socks 588723;1396024253;mike_c;but if you use gpgauth and they get hacked, you have an excuse. so it's ok. like when your site goes down because aws goes down, built in excuse. </sarcasm> 588724;1396024301;benkay;o i thought the excuse was ========= 588725;1396024311;benkay;"hashes match on my device!" 588726;1396024359;mircea_popescu;mike_c heh i see. 588727;1396024378;mircea_popescu;but seriously now, i fail to see what it offers. i mean i suppose one could loot their github for code, and the site could be just a demo. 588728;1396024422;mircea_popescu;benkay https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135834.msg5947874#msg5947874 588729;1396024426;mircea_popescu;the pr salute you. 588730;1396024467;asciilifeform;in other news, 588731;1396024475;benkay;i don't see my name there... 588732;1396024477;benkay;some salute. 588733;1396024480;asciilifeform;'zorro' (aes-based cipher) is broken. sorry, pdf: http://cryptome.org/2014/03/zorro-break.pdf 588734;1396024504;mircea_popescu;benkay a half mast salute ? :D 588735;1396024507;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hjaha cool. 588736;1396024544;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/449585590187880448 588737;1396024545;ozbot;Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: 'zorro' (aes-based cipher) ... 588738;1396024551;mircea_popescu;there, i've now robbed peter to pay paul. 588739;1396024558;mircea_popescu;can i be government yet ? 588740;1396024572;benkay;;;gettrust eskimobob 588741;1396024572;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user eskimobob: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=eskimobob | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=eskimobob | Rated since: Sat Jun 4 12:35:57 2011 588742;1396024596;tg2;Bro do u even r8 588743;1396024607;mike_c;true or false: if i type a password into my shell, and then call 'history -c', i am ok? 588744;1396024620;tg2;Hdd or ssd? 588745;1396024628;mircea_popescu;mike_c not ok. 588746;1396024650;mike_c;assume i am not worried about someone raw-reading my hdd. are there other attack vectors? 588747;1396024666;tg2;Auth logs often will keep a history of commands 588748;1396024666;mircea_popescu;yes. the shell only flushes the session at times. 588749;1396024679;mircea_popescu;so your -c may or may not hit what you want 588750;1396024703;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299999 = 0.365 BTC [+] 588751;1396024715;mircea_popescu;a good approach is to search everywhere for another string in the history file, then wipe your password from everywhere you found keeps a copy. 588752;1396024735;mike_c;ok, thanks. 588753;1396024738;mircea_popescu;and this to be done after all processes involved ended. 588754;1396024740;tg2;Grep -iR "yourpass" / 588755;1396024745;tg2;Go have a coffee 588756;1396024746;asciilifeform;the 'zorro' thing isn't a mega-news, on account of it being a kind of 'castrated' aes variant 588757;1396024746;tg2;Lol 588758;1396024748;mircea_popescu;unless you conveniently search ram etc. 588759;1396024752;asciilifeform;but still interesting that people bother. 588760;1396024858;bounce;all the while "yourpass" sits in the process list for all to see 588761;1396024985;mircea_popescu;if you like yourpass you can keep yourpass. 588762;1396025037;BingoBoingo;http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/9/97749/World/International/Putin-says-Crimea-showed-new-capacities-of-Russian.aspx 588763;1396025038;ozbot;Putin says Crimea showed 'new capacities' of Russian army - International - World - Ahram Online 588764;1396025060;mircea_popescu;10mF 588765;1396025071;asciilifeform;lol! 588766;1396025173;asciilifeform;because we're madmen, let's actually calculate this. 588767;1396025179;BingoBoingo;http://web.orange.co.uk/article/news/yanukovych_calls_for_referendums_across_ukraine 588768;1396025194;ozbot;Ukraine: Crimea Bases Under Russian Control | 588769;1396025216;asciilifeform;http://www.extremeelectronics.co.uk/blog/capacitance-of-a-human-body/ 588770;1396025220;ozbot;Extreme Electronics | Capacitance of a human body 588771;1396025227;asciilifeform;let's take the 100pF value, conservatively. 588772;1396025250;asciilifeform;;;google russian army strength 2014 588773;1396025251;gribble;Global Firepower - 2014 World Military Strength Ranking: <http://www.globalfirepower.com/>; Russia Military Strength - Global Firepower: <http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=russia>; 2014 Russian military intervention in Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Russian_military_intervention_in_Ukraine> 588774;1396025268;*;mircea_popescu prepares to fall over laughing. 588775;1396025304;benkay;this apparently is how options are working now: http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/ http://bitbet.us/bet/799/bitcoin-price-above-800-before-july/ 588776;1396025350;mircea_popescu;lol srsly. 588777;1396025358;asciilifeform;if we take the 69 million available men figure, 588778;1396025360;Mats_cd03;neat 588779;1396025368;asciilifeform;;;calc (200e-12 * 69000000) / (1e-3) 588780;1396025368;gribble;Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 588781;1396025386;asciilifeform;whatever, ~13.8 millifarad. 588782;1396025395;asciilifeform;so, mp is quite close. 588783;1396025453;asciilifeform;mp wins 'fermi' prize. 588784;1396025459;*;asciilifeform bows. 588785;1396025478;BingoBoingo;http://www.globalfirepower.com/active-reserve-military-manpower.asp 588786;1396025525;asciilifeform;homework: calculate 'if the chinese jumped.' 588787;1396025534;asciilifeform;(actual physics puzzle from my childhood) 588788;1396025552;the20year2;Reserves are calculated differently in each country 588789;1396025648;asciilifeform;200pf 588790;1396025654;asciilifeform;damn, not awake 588791;1396025666;the20year2;that's more than double 100pf , right? 588792;1396025670;asciilifeform;given value is for 200. 588793;1396025728;asciilifeform;incidentally, capacitance of the body is not mere trivia, but modern mobile gizmotry lives and dies by it (touch panel.) 588794;1396025750;asciilifeform;(try using a capacitative panel with your fingernail) 588795;1396025826;asciilifeform;http://www.navytimes.com/article/20140328/NEWS/303280014/Navy-says-farewell-fire-damaged-sub-Miami 588796;1396025827;ozbot;Navy says farewell to fire-damaged sub Miami | Navy Times | navytimes.com 588797;1396025836;the20year2;do they put caps in styluses? 588798;1396025853;asciilifeform;in the russian wankasphere, at the time, there were countless wags suggesting nominating the drunk for 'order of lenin' 588799;1396025862;benkay;capacitor not necessary for capacitance 588800;1396025886;asciilifeform;virtually anything is a capacitor, depending on your circumstances. 588801;1396025893;benkay;pedant 588802;1396025895;asciilifeform;just some are larger than others. 588803;1396025907;benkay;some are also engineered and subsequently manufactured. 588804;1396025912;benkay;vs grown in wombs 588805;1396025925;asciilifeform;at this point, even cable monkeys, afaik, know this - because at high frequencies, a wire is a capacitor 588806;1396025934;asciilifeform;a kink in the cable - an inductor. 588807;1396025974;asciilifeform;the 'lumped element model' of electronics was ok for the first half of 20th c. 588808;1396025976;asciilifeform;now, not so much. 588809;1396025985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 49.34183188 BTC to 80`674 shares, 61162 satoshi per share 588810;1396025985;benkay;kinks can even induce reflections if your application's sensitive to 'em. 588811;1396026001;benkay;once had to design a nightmare of a cable harness for wafer probing. 588812;1396026005;asciilifeform;mismatched impedence -> also reflections. undergrad physics. 588813;1396026012;Mats_cd03;i love you guys 588814;1396026014;asciilifeform;try it at home! 588815;1396026038;asciilifeform;even the lowliest asian oscilloscope comes with built-in test waveform generator 588816;1396026044;benkay;minimum bend radii, maximum cable lengths, nobody ever wanted to cram that many probes that close together before, handed the problem to resident kid. 588817;1396026063;asciilifeform;attach to a cable made with two segments of mismatched impedence 588818;1396026067;asciilifeform;the other end, to a probe. 588819;1396026068;punkman;asciilifeform: what's a good chinese brand for scopes? 588820;1396026075;asciilifeform;then watch the echos. 588821;1396026097;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude i think i actually can prove there won't be no "lead standard". 588822;1396026104;asciilifeform;punkman: mine's a recent 'rigol' (has documented interface, linux friendly) 588823;1396026107;asciilifeform;other people - use others 588824;1396026116;asciilifeform;for HF work, a 1978 'hewlett packard' 588825;1396026139;asciilifeform;wake up diametric, he'll describe his collection. 588826;1396026162;diametric;collection of what? 588827;1396026168;asciilifeform;instruments 588828;1396026172;asciilifeform;and their purposes 588829;1396026187;mircea_popescu;http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2014/03/27/college-offers-a-course-miley-cyrus-but-not-twerking/6953809/ 588830;1396026187;ozbot;College offers a course on Miley Cyrus, but not twerking 588831;1396026261;asciilifeform;;;google Rigol DS1102D 588832;1396026262;gribble;DS1102D 100 MHz Mixed Signal Oscilloscope | Rigol - Beyond ...: <http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds1000d/ds1102d/>; Amazon.com: Rigol DS1102D 100MHz Mixed Signal Oscilloscope ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Rigol-DS1102D-Oscilloscope-channels-connectivity/dp/B003MYUFKQ>; Rigol DS1102D Digital Oscilloscope 100MHz with Logic Analyzer ...: (1 more message) 588833;1396026271;asciilifeform;reasonably cheap, all-purpose gizmo 588834;1396026278;diametric;oh, I have a collection but ultimately I don't do enough electronics work to give that great of opinions on it. 588835;1396026286;asciilifeform;if a little of a 'trabambourghini'. 588836;1396026289;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00093923 = 4.7431 BTC [-] 588837;1396026289;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05460057 = 0.3822 BTC [-] {2} 588838;1396026296;diametric;;;google owon sds7102 588839;1396026296;gribble;Amazon.com: Owon SDS7102 Deep Memory Digital Storage ...: <http://www.amazon.com/SDS7102-Digital-Oscilloscope-2-channel-interface/dp/B006G54K3G>; REVIEW - Owon SDS7102 - A look at the SDS series from Owon - Page ...: <http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/review-of-owon-sds7102/>; OWON SDS7102 Complete Review - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqcEi6ru4ZM> 588840;1396026304;diametric;thats the one I have, it works well for my uses. 588841;1396026332;asciilifeform;i think most people (who have any dealings with such matters, at any rate) own at least 2 scopes - a chinese trambo, and a vintage american analogue unit. 588842;1396026354;benkay;"vintage"? how old is vintage? 588843;1396026358;diametric;yeah I have a 79 (i think?) tektronics of some sort I haven't used very much 588844;1396026369;asciilifeform;1970s usually 588845;1396026375;benkay;those are a joy 588846;1396026385;asciilifeform;similar machines are still made. $2-3K+ 588847;1396026387;benkay;i had to have someone who grew up with them teach me how to use them though. 588848;1396026411;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07299999 = 0.511 BTC [+] {2} 588849;1396026416;benkay;manuals having long since disappeared from the shop. 588850;1396026419;asciilifeform;using a scope isn't rocket surgery 588851;1396026423;asciilifeform;and you can usually find the manual on the net. 588852;1396026442;benkay;<< lowly mechanical 588853;1396026448;asciilifeform;it's merely a voltmeter with a time axis. 588854;1396026460;benkay;plus also cameraderie and mentorship. 588855;1396026481;asciilifeform;the first oscilloscope wasn't even electronic in the usual sense (mirror on a rope, deflected by electrostatic charges, candle, projects on wall) 588856;1396026505;asciilifeform;most of what we think of as 'high tech' was created by people who never lived to see a plastic bag. 588857;1396026508;asciilifeform;think of it that way. 588858;1396026584;*;asciilifeform is mostly an uneducated brute, who learned of things by playing with them, and libraries. 588859;1396026588;benkay;lucky them, living in such a slow time and communing with such giants. 588860;1396026594;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+] 588861;1396026619;the20year2;if i had a major need for one i could have picked up a few by now 588862;1396026643;asciilifeform;instruments with acceptable, if not great, quality, are more available today than ever. 588863;1396026674;benkay;asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, diametric and chipfolk at large: on a scale of zero to crackpot: http://ootbcomp.com/ 588864;1396026677;asciilifeform;navhul-lacsup << urbit syllablegen? ! 588865;1396026696;benkay;asciilifeform: looks like it, neh? 588866;1396026706;benkay;ahoy the sub 588867;1396026707;navhul-lacsup;asciilifeform: yeah, I lurk there 588868;1396026732;mircea_popescu;benkay i don't know enough about cpus to be useful there. 588869;1396026745;asciilifeform;somebody linked to 'mill' in my comment peanutgallery once 588870;1396026752;mircea_popescu;navhul-lacsup wait, so is this actually an urbit powered irc bouncer ?! 588871;1396026769;mircea_popescu;wait wait wait nowai, you don't lose connection nearly frequently enough. 588872;1396026777;punkman;oh sweet, you can hack these Rigols http://hackaday.com/2013/07/02/unlocking-a-rigol-scope-once-again/ 588873;1396026778;asciilifeform;these folks are crackpots, quite possibly inspired by my ravings re: dataflow archs. so i am to blame. 588874;1396026793;asciilifeform;they've no hardware. 588875;1396026805;diametric;punkman: maybe, i vaguely remember reading after that came out the newer shipped ones don't work 588876;1396026811;diametric;punkman: i could be wrong 588877;1396026821;navhul-lacsup;i like a lot of technical goals of the project, but I do worry that it is too radical to take off 588878;1396026839;benkay;insufficiently-horsed is more like it. 588879;1396026851;navhul-lacsup;maybe a clone written for the JVM would be more popular/successful 588880;1396026865;asciilifeform;navhul-lacsup: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390 588881;1396026870;mircea_popescu;so ascii is to blame huh ? 588882;1396026870;mircea_popescu;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1qd3bwv3N4 588883;1396026871;ozbot;"Behold the Lord High Executioner" - YouTube 588884;1396026911;navhul-lacsup;I'm mostly interested in upgrading internet architecture with referential transparency, no bitrot, and secure identity baked in 588885;1396026934;navhul-lacsup;the stuff under that layer is beyond me, and seems to add to the risk of the project 588886;1396026952;navhul-lacsup;but Curtis wouldn't be excited enough to do it without reinventing the world from scratch 588887;1396026963;asciilifeform;navhul-lacsup: 'you can't mold a bullet from shit' (rus. saying) 588888;1396026996;asciilifeform;curtis found a dog turd, dried for years, and decided that it is hard enough to whittle bullet from 588889;1396027018;navhul-lacsup;I'll read your post when I am off paid time 588890;1396027036;navhul-lacsup;(I actually rss subscribe to your blog) 588891;1396027047;asciilifeform;my recommendation is - don't - it will probably make you unhappy 588892;1396027092;asciilifeform;(tldr version - curtis re-invented: nothing. 'old wine in new bottle') 588893;1396027453;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/the-bezzle-usd-and-the-tide-usd/#comment-98750 588894;1396027488;mircea_popescu;navhul-lacsup well nice toi have you anyways. 588895;1396027631;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 3350 @ 0.00050002 = 1.6751 BTC [-] {2} 588896;1396027663;rithm;if only they'd print serial numbers on all those tide bottles... 588897;1396027672;mircea_popescu;rithm they do. 588898;1396027686;mircea_popescu;all fmcg carries lot and serial identification. 588899;1396027689;rithm;are you sure? when did that start? 588900;1396027695;mircea_popescu;the 80s ? 588901;1396027710;rithm;i'll have to do more grocery shopping to confirm this theroy 588902;1396027733;mircea_popescu;look around the seams, usually where the typographical allignment marks are. 588903;1396027747;rithm;i personally operate mostly in the bezzle space obv 588904;1396027763;mircea_popescu;i think most everyone here does. 588905;1396027765;mircea_popescu;i know i do. 588906;1396027775;mircea_popescu;well... or used to, i guess bitcoin changes that. 588907;1396027795;rithm;i'm very intriqgued by the tideUSD market though 588908;1396027802;rithm;-q 588909;1396027808;the20year2;tideusd? 588910;1396027823;rithm;mmmhmmmm 588911;1396027857;the20year2;Tide? The soap? 588912;1396027867;mircea_popescu;rithm if us ngos were actually useful rather than a cozy retreat for useless white cunts, we'd have some research data available as to actual economic expenditure of ghetto household 588913;1396027885;mircea_popescu;i suspect on average about 1/3 of available resources goes to chemicals. 588914;1396027889;mircea_popescu;the20year2 yea 588915;1396027899;the20year2;i know soap theft is pretty big 588916;1396027922;benkay;"chemicals" including lots of nominally nutritive materials 588917;1396027924;rithm;mircea_popescu i have supporting data based on my surroundings that confirm your hypothesis 588918;1396027931;the20year2;you mean ghetto food too? 588919;1396027933;mircea_popescu;benkay i mostly meant psychoactives. 588920;1396027936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00093712 = 4.0296 BTC [-] 588921;1396027939;the20year2;Ah, drugs 588922;1396027949;mircea_popescu;rithm sure, i have a lot of anecdotal support 588923;1396027968;rithm;well alcohol and tobacco consume large portions of the blue collar paycheck 588924;1396027975;the20year2;I'd love to see the data 588925;1396027978;rithm;erm tideUSD 588926;1396027980;mircea_popescu;generally you can "crash", ie, board, for free with "friends" 588927;1396027981;the20year2;but look at top employers in ghetto areas 588928;1396027988;mircea_popescu;but "friendship" is borne out of sharing chems. 588929;1396027998;mircea_popescu;so in a sense, rent for the ghetto is paid in grams. 588930;1396028003;asciilifeform;then there are the Chukchas 588931;1396028012;asciilifeform;and their 'amanita muscaria' 588932;1396028012;rithm;ic 588933;1396028034;asciilifeform;where the drug is - literally - shared with friends. 588934;1396028051;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exact same practice existed in medieval romanian and prior 588935;1396028054;asciilifeform;(excreted unchanged, piss is served) 588936;1396028061;mircea_popescu;and in medieval crimeea, scythic times. 588937;1396028071;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: everywhere the thing grows 588938;1396028415;tg2;grams/month living index 588939;1396028607;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22834 @ 0.00093663 = 21.387 BTC [-] 588940;1396028713;ThickAsThieves;http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-03/25/homeopathy-contains-medicine 588941;1396028713;ozbot;Homeopathic remedies recalled for containing real medicine (Wired UK) 588942;1396028770;asciilifeform;good thing james randi didn't eat a kilo of that one 588943;1396028773;asciilifeform;during his demos 588944;1396028790;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00242896 = 0.3643 BTC [+] {4} 588945;1396028854;the20year2;oh dang 588946;1396028871;the20year2;i've never understood homeopathy, and i don't think most who believe in it do either 588947;1396028904;benkay;not much to understand, the20year2. 588948;1396028912;benkay;there's nothing there. 588949;1396028914;asciilifeform;re: http://nymag.com/news/features/tide-detergent-drugs-2013-1 << every bottle of laundry crap, in every shop, where i live - has a bulky rfid alarm gizmo chained to it. 588950;1396028958;benkay;asciilifeform: there aren't zappers floating around? 588951;1396028958;asciilifeform;the shop clerk disarms it with some electro crap built into the cash register, and snips off the alarm wire 588952;1396028968;the20year2;Yeah 588953;1396028973;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00093751 = 36.4223 BTC [+] {3} 588954;1396028974;the20year2;same with electronics in most stores 588955;1396028978;asciilifeform;thieves have been walking with shield bags for many years. 588956;1396028990;asciilifeform;same kind of bag used to house static-sensitive electronics, but larger. 588957;1396028992;benkay;asciilifeform: this defense ignores the store mandates that store employees not actually do anything during a theft for fear of liability. 588958;1396029015;asciilifeform;the alarm goes off many times, every day, cries wolf 588959;1396029041;asciilifeform;and who would chase a genuine thief? the 'minimum wage' clerk? 588960;1396029075;jurov;smile sheepishly, shrug it off, walk out 588961;1396029085;benkay;asciilifeform: that is what i'm driving at. 588962;1396029089;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cuz you live in the sticks. they don't bother with that shit here. 588963;1396029094;asciilifeform;one day we will probably see shops where you enter and leave through a 'man trap' 588964;1396029102;mircea_popescu;they DO however rfid the hell out of alcohol bottles 588965;1396029105;asciilifeform;lets you in if your (radio-enabled) card has credit 588966;1396029127;asciilifeform;lets you out if your balance - minus the prices reported by radio tags on the junk in your bags - is positive 588967;1396029138;asciilifeform;no clerks. 588968;1396029164;asciilifeform;;;google mantrap 588969;1396029164;gribble;Mantrap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantrap>; What is mantrap - WhatIs.com - TechTarget: <http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/mantrap-interlocking-door-controller>; Mantrap (1926) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0017119/> 588970;1396029189;asciilifeform;aka airlock 588971;1396029230;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIgAYh_7z2Y 588972;1396029230;ozbot;Bank robber trapped in Access Control Vestibule - YouTube 588973;1396029304;benkay;mircea_popescu: most places in the US alcohol is only touchable by the clerks. 588974;1396029343;mircea_popescu;the epic http://trilema.com/2012/what-does-a-start-up-run-on/ was made by me loading my own cart. 588975;1396029351;asciilifeform;benkay: in the cities. it is sold through a little window, like movie tickets. 588976;1396029362;BingoBoingo;benkay: Sounds like a sad place 588977;1396029363;asciilifeform;elsewhere, it is sold like ordinary things 588978;1396029391;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's how they do pond shops here. 588979;1396029405;asciilifeform;;;google chechen mafia booth 588980;1396029406;gribble;Who Knows Jack? - American Journalism Review: <http://ajrarchive.org/article.asp?id=3613>; The Judeo-Russian Mafia And The Bloodbath To Come, by Dr ...: <http://www.deliberation.info/the-judeo-russian-mafia-and-the-bloodbath-to-come-by-dr-lasha-darkmoon/>; Chechnya Leaders Claim Terrorist Who Called for Olympic Attacks ...: <http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2014/01/17 (1 more message) 588981;1396029449;benkay;oh it's the most hilarious in the occupied cascadian territories, BingoBoingo 588982;1396029461;benkay;we labor under a state sponsored liquor monopoly. 588983;1396029491;BingoBoingo;benkay: Here we have liquor and tobacco superstores where you can browse the aisles 588984;1396029510;benkay;go fuck yourself 588985;1396029528;benkay;i hate socialism 588986;1396029530;BingoBoingo;Walk up to the counter, walk out with a keg 588987;1396029538;asciilifeform;places where shops get robbed beyond some critical frequency tend to sprout 'chechen'-style kiosks. picture a shipping container, perhaps with a bit of extra armour, with a small hole. 588988;1396029556;asciilifeform;money enters, booze, smokes, etc. come out. 588989;1396029557;benkay;that was my experience in NYC, asciilifeform. 588990;1396029582;benkay;luckily, we don't have much actual in-person robbery here. just communism. 588991;1396029597;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is that chicago ? 588992;1396029604;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: St Louis. 588993;1396029620;BingoBoingo;The gas stations in less desirable areas have armor, glass and kiosks 588994;1396029631;mircea_popescu;weird shit. 588995;1396029680;BingoBoingo;The larger outfits just have people cabable of handling security handling security 588996;1396029705;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0706604 = 1.7665 BTC [-] {11} 588997;1396029728;BingoBoingo;http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/gutcheck/2011/04/bodegas_obergo_lagrimas_de_obergo_rosado_randalls.php 588998;1396029803;BingoBoingo;The image midpage almost captures the scale of the place 588999;1396029888;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2} 589000;1396029889;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 31 @ 0.0064999 = 0.2015 BTC [+] 589001;1396029920;tg2;http://m.aedifica.com/en/news/saq-signature-concept-honored-by-the-retail-design-institute 589002;1396029922;ozbot;SAQ Signature concept honored by the Retail Design Institute 589003;1396029926;tg2;thats our fanciest booze store 589004;1396029942;tg2;better: http://m.aedifica.com/en/expertise/retail/saq-signature 589005;1396029950;tg2;5500 sq ft 589006;1396029999;benkay;it's not nearly as bad here as i make it out 589007;1396030005;benkay;the nice stores are nice, obviously. 589008;1396030020;benkay;the monopoly is a horrendous thing. 589009;1396030048;tg2;yeah it's bad 589010;1396030068;tg2;an $80 bottle of wine in florida can be $300+ by the time it gets here 589011;1396030071;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0065 = 0.13 BTC [+] 589012;1396030087;tg2;probably one of the worst examples of government monopoly 589013;1396030093;benkay;what's even more funny is that canadian beef is cheaper here than it is up there. 589014;1396030102;tg2;yeah but we like USDA beef ;) 589015;1396030111;tg2;classic "grass is greener" 589016;1396030155;BingoBoingo;St Louis also has a sort of privately run beer welfare, take the free AB brewery tour and get two beers at the end 589017;1396030165;benkay;USDA's horrendously more expensive up north. 589018;1396030191;tg2;12oz AAA tenderloin is $45+ in most places here 589019;1396030193;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00093964 = 9.3024 BTC [+] {2} 589020;1396030203;tg2;not from the butcher, but in any respectable restaurant 589021;1396030206;benkay;ah 589022;1396030210;benkay;i was going to say. 589023;1396030214;tg2;its around $78/kg here 589024;1396030225;tg2;for usda/aaa 589025;1396030227;tg2;from the grocery 589026;1396030250;tg2;$26 per 12oz 589027;1396030254;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.069998 = 0.49 BTC [-] 589028;1396030255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 333 @ 0.0065 = 2.1645 BTC [+] 589029;1396030260;benkay;argentina! 589030;1396030295;tg2;wife's family owns a bunch of dairy farms 589031;1396030306;Mats_cd03;.bait 589032;1396030308;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5lfaiSyrG1qk6jw7o1_500.jpg 589033;1396030315;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.00659111 = 0.3955 BTC [+] {3} 589034;1396030321;tg2;so we get free-range grass-fed beef 589035;1396030349;tg2;sauce: http://keyj.com/and-the-hot-twitter-girl-of-the-month-is-natacha-daro-pictures/ 589036;1396030376;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.055 = 0.33 BTC [+] {2} 589037;1396030436;the20year2;daaang 589038;1396030442;asciilifeform;http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/03/24/veteran-cyclist-knew-the-dangers-all-too-well.html 589039;1396030442;ozbot;Veteran cyclist killed by minivan knew the dangers all too well | The Columbus Dispatch 589040;1396030446;tg2;https://twitter.com/NatachaDaroOK 589041;1396030447;ozbot;Natacha Daro (NatachaDaroOK) on Twitter 589042;1396030453;asciilifeform;(tldr - jpm corpse) 589043;1396030458;the20year2;tg2: where are you? 589044;1396030472;mircea_popescu;lmao. most excellent wine here is about 10-15 bucks. 589045;1396030475;mircea_popescu;what 80, what 300. 589046;1396030478;tg2;I thought it was sacha grey in that pic 589047;1396030485;mircea_popescu;the finest cognac in the world goes for ~55 a bottle. 589048;1396030491;the20year2;AAA beef grade is USDA choice which is pretty low 589049;1396030492;tg2;:| 589050;1396030499;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.0068611 = 0.4803 BTC [+] 589051;1396030501;tg2;I guess we have different taste in wine :) 589052;1396030534;mircea_popescu;possibly. 589053;1396030542;mircea_popescu;but i've yet to have a decent us wine. 589054;1396030553;mircea_popescu;i don't even mean good. decent. something i could in good conscience feed women. 589055;1396030554;tg2;i can give you a list of "to-try" if youw ant 589056;1396030559;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00242784 = 0.1554 BTC [-] {4} 589057;1396030562;tg2;you're close to napa I'm guessing 589058;1396030564;mircea_popescu;many have. 589059;1396030569;tg2;1 just have one 589060;1396030570;tg2;you can try 589061;1396030571;mircea_popescu;no, im in romania. close to recas. 589062;1396030575;tg2;opus one 589063;1396030584;tg2;then insignia 589064;1396030591;tg2;then silver oak 589065;1396030592;tg2;;) 589066;1396030599;mircea_popescu;insignia ?! 589067;1396030606;tg2;I have cases of it 589068;1396030607;tg2;its great 589069;1396030619;mircea_popescu;i thought that was a flat panel tv maker o.O 589070;1396030619;tg2;puts california on the map imo 589071;1396030630;tg2;http://www.josephphelps.com/insignia-wine/ 589072;1396030631;ozbot;Insignia : Joseph Phelps Vineyards 589073;1396030642;tg2;http://en.opusonewinery.com/ 589074;1396030642;ozbot;Opus One 589075;1396030645;BingoBoingo;;;google insignia product 589076;1396030646;gribble;Insignia Consumer Electronic Products: <http://www.insigniaproducts.com/>; Product Support | Insignia: <http://www.insigniaproducts.com/support.html>; Insignia Flat Screen Television Collection | LCD HDTVs | Insignia: <http://www.insigniaproducts.com/products/televisions.html> 589077;1396030654;tg2;haha 589078;1396030657;tg2;yes they are 589079;1396030663;tg2;but the wine has more lineage 589080;1396030664;tg2;;D 589081;1396030680;mircea_popescu;lolk 589082;1396030688;mircea_popescu;i dunno how much lineage it can have, but anyway 589083;1396030696;BingoBoingo;I have trouble trusting a brand named after something a brand is supposed to have, rather than actually having its own 589084;1396030737;tg2;it's a great wine 589085;1396030774;tg2;but it's $325 a bottle here 589086;1396030786;tg2;I found a case of opus one in a convenience store in maui 589087;1396030789;tg2;for $55 per bottle 589088;1396030841;tg2;at the back of a fridge 589089;1396030843;BingoBoingo;;;ident 589090;1396030844;gribble;Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None 589091;1396030850;tg2;was 1996 589092;1396030854;tg2;this was in ~2008 589093;1396030869;tg2;http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/opus+one+napa+valley+county+north+coast+california+usa/1996 589094;1396030870;ozbot;1996 Opus One, Napa Valley, USA: prices | wine-searcher 589095;1396030925;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15615 @ 0.00093446 = 14.5916 BTC [-] {4} 589096;1396030977;tg2;anyway, all this to say fuck government monopolies 589097;1396030986;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0068611 = 0.2058 BTC [+] 589098;1396031013;mircea_popescu;http://www.recaswine.ro/CrameleRecas/galerie.php?r=na 589099;1396031015;ozbot;Cramele Recas/ Recas Winery 589100;1396031021;mircea_popescu;this'be the winery about 20 miles from here. 589101;1396031047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 483 @ 0.00698395 = 3.3732 BTC [+] {2} 589102;1396031055;mircea_popescu;they make something like 10 mn bottles a year, most of it sold as entry and mid range wine. if you run into it tho buy it, because it's probably the best you'll ever drink at that price level. 589103;1396031058;tg2;I would go for some italian super tuscans 589104;1396031067;tg2;that should be available where you are 589105;1396031075;tg2;sassicaia 589106;1396031078;punkman;I got this box of wine here that was about 3eur/litre. 589107;1396031101;punkman;same thing is shipped to France and bottled, then sold to Americans for a huge premium 589108;1396031115;tg2;my eyes are rolling so hard right now 589109;1396031122;punkman;yah 589110;1396031139;mircea_popescu;punkman about how it works, yeah. 589111;1396031161;tg2;next time you guys are in montreal ping me we'll hit the cellar :) 589112;1396031262;mircea_popescu;do you have to heat the cellars up there ? 589113;1396031272;tg2;yes actually 589114;1396031273;tg2;lol 589115;1396031350;tg2;I have a pit cellar (under the house) and cold air tends to make it's way down there 589116;1396031357;mircea_popescu;aha 589117;1396031362;mircea_popescu;must suck 589118;1396031370;tg2;well if it freezes 589119;1396031374;tg2;you just ruined thousands of bottles 589120;1396031376;mircea_popescu;ya that's the end of it 589121;1396031377;tg2;so yes 589122;1396031378;punkman;I could use a nice cellar 589123;1396031397;mircea_popescu;but ideally, people should live in places where a properly dug cellar maintains a proper temperature with no exceptions. 589124;1396031403;mircea_popescu;there's criteria to choose where to live. 589125;1396031408;tg2;I /think/ it's actually below the frost line but I wouldn't want to test it out 589126;1396031411;tg2;I keep them at 14C 589127;1396031421;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, do you know how roman legionnaires chose where to settle down ? ie, they wanted to be able to grow wine) 589128;1396031443;tg2;well romans + wine goes pretty hand in hand 589129;1396031466;mircea_popescu;indeed. 589130;1396031558;tg2;sadly I don't know of many romanian wines 589131;1396031573;tg2;geographically they should be able to grow the same caliber of wine as itali 589132;1396031584;mircea_popescu;they actually beat france. 589133;1396031587;mircea_popescu;better soil. 589134;1396031598;tg2;its a combination of soil and sun and temperature 589135;1396031602;mircea_popescu;yeah. 589136;1396031644;tg2;craiova is about the same latitude as the two regions in italy and france that produce the "top" wines 589137;1396031657;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3814 @ 0.00213751 = 8.1525 BTC [-] {23} 589138;1396031675;mike_c;no more tesla fires: https://medium.com/p/544f35965a0d 589139;1396031699;tg2;you need hills of the right orientation, arid seasons, mild temperature variances and the right amount of daylight (and, you know, some fugesi) to grow good wine 589140;1396031710;mike_c;tl;dr: watch a tesla run over a concrete block: https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/800/1*jX6zAXW-xmUgkNDhi891zQ.gif 589141;1396031737;mircea_popescu;http://www.winetaste.ro/images/vinom/1-1-0.jpg 589142;1396031744;mircea_popescu;thats a map of the major wine producing zones 589143;1396031753;tg2;http://allthingsd.com/20130820/teslas-model-s-breaks-roof-testing-machine-car-safety-record/ 589144;1396031754;ozbot;Tesla Model S Awarded NHTSA's Highest Safety Rating - John Paczkowski - News - AllThingsD 589145;1396031774;mircea_popescu;mike_c quite impressive. 589146;1396031783;mircea_popescu;but you know, what happens if the obstacle isn't brissant 589147;1396031802;mike_c;immovable object, unstoppable force, who knows? 589148;1396031811;punkman;so they redesigned Paypal to be responsive or whatever, now I can't even get to my account page 589149;1396031816;tg2;lol 589150;1396031826;tg2;they're doing the world a service. 589151;1396031840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.0009341 = 11.4894 BTC [-] 589152;1396031847;mike_c;plus neither I nor google knows what brissant means. 589153;1396031848;mircea_popescu;punkman there's a bug of stupid going around, they fucked up namecheap earilier. 589154;1396031858;mircea_popescu;mike_c from french brisser, which crumbles 589155;1396031865;mircea_popescu;the opposite of ductility 589156;1396031868;mike_c;ah. my limited language skills at work. 589157;1396031880;tg2;that special feeling when paypal sends you an email that your account is now "restricted" and they're going to hang on to your $200k while they evaluate the situation for the next 6 months 589158;1396031886;tg2;at which point they may or may not give it back 589159;1396031890;tg2;depending on how they feel 589160;1396031901;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.0009341 = 17.4677 BTC [-] 589161;1396031908;punkman;I just use it for small purchases here and there 589162;1396031913;benkay;mike_c: show me the same thing with a piece of steel a la what kicked off a recent Tesla fire. 589163;1396031919;mircea_popescu;^ 589164;1396031923;tg2;I'm surprised they haven't been sued into the ground yet. People are overly complacent 589165;1396031930;mike_c;they ran over an alternator and a tow hitch. but they were brissant. 589166;1396031930;mircea_popescu;tg2 they settle. 589167;1396031933;tg2;even gox - it amazes me 589168;1396031938;mircea_popescu;it's actually a decent way to make a buck. 589169;1396031948;tg2;"oh well guys looks like we lost 500m$" "silly us" 589170;1396031953;benkay;what, a tow hitch is brissant? 589171;1396031962;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.055 = 0.275 BTC [+] 589172;1396031966;mircea_popescu;mike_c well see, there's a reason why karate guys break one foot of brick but never try half inch of cast iron pot. 589173;1396031967;benkay;i figured those were ductile. 589174;1396031971;mike_c;tow hitch: https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/800/1*sHsOwbthEUip1d-CRPZcFg.gif 589175;1396031985;benkay;ah. 589176;1396031987;tg2;that concrete was likely cast for that express test 589177;1396031989;mike_c;actually less brissant than i thought 589178;1396031994;benkay;well it's still 589179;1396031996;benkay;steel 589180;1396031999;mircea_popescu;wow pretty good going with the hitch 589181;1396032001;benkay;ductile != brissant 589182;1396032004;tg2;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgOtMQcMnH0 589183;1396032004;ozbot;Easy Concrete Demolition, Rock Breaking, Excavating: How to Break Rocks, Concrete Easily with Dexpan 589184;1396032005;tg2;check that shit out 589185;1396032022;mircea_popescu;what's that item flyiong out after the puncture / 589186;1396032024;tg2;i'd like to see a tesla drive over that 589187;1396032028;benkay;bolt holding plates in, mircea_popescu 589188;1396032038;benkay;you can see the threads strip and then it wobble out 589189;1396032040;mircea_popescu;that's one motherfucking bolt 589190;1396032050;mircea_popescu;it looks like it'd barely fit a virgin ass. 589191;1396032057;tg2;its not a bolt 589192;1396032057;benkay;helluva lever arm across the width of the body 589193;1396032058;tg2;it's a pop pin 589194;1396032063;tg2;plastic pin that holds that cover on 589195;1396032066;benkay;a! 589196;1396032067;tg2;they use it in interior panels 589197;1396032069;mircea_popescu;ah 589198;1396032084;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5201 @ 0.0001179 = 0.6132 BTC [+] {2} 589199;1396032091;benkay;seems a bit inertia-y for plastic 589200;1396032100;benkay;should tumble and slow much more imho 589201;1396032103;benkay;but what do i know 589202;1396032103;tg2;http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/attachments/2nd-gen-tacomas/196177d1361060205-2013-access-cab-rear-headrest-removal-help-kgrhqeoknie1mznh-0ubn-1tst59g-_35.jpg 589203;1396032114;mircea_popescu;anyway, pretty impressive armor they got on the thing 589204;1396032118;mircea_popescu;what is it, some poly something ? 589205;1396032124;benkay;could it be a metal pop pin? 589206;1396032138;tg2;it oculd yes but its likely plsatic 589207;1396032162;benkay;it's holding in super vibrate-y al plates, though. 589208;1396032171;benkay;those would cut right through plastic over time. 589209;1396032187;benkay;plus shine, plus no tumble and maintaining the same speed as car... 589210;1396032190;benkay;makes me think metal. 589211;1396032191;tg2;here 589212;1396032192;tg2;http://www.factoryoemparts.com/inventory/11519807.jpg 589213;1396032196;tg2;you can see, that is exactly what it is 589214;1396032202;benkay;nigga i know what a pop pin is 589215;1396032203;tg2;it could be metalic 589216;1396032206;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+] 589217;1396032226;benkay;i'm marshalling reasons why it might be metallic. 589218;1396032226;tg2;> bolt holding plates in, mircea_popescu 589219;1396032228;tg2;clearly 589220;1396032239;benkay;<tg2> plastic pin that holds that cover on 589221;1396032240;benkay;<benkay> a! 589222;1396032245;mircea_popescu;the item in the video doesn't match that jpg 589223;1396032252;tg2;^ 589224;1396032261;mike_c;mircea_popescu: three shields, aluminum bar, then titanium shield, then aluminum deflector shield. 589225;1396032268;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-] 589226;1396032278;mircea_popescu;mike_c all metallic ? impressive 589227;1396032288;benkay;lipo's, yo. 589228;1396032308;benkay;crashed a model airplane recently, banana'd a battery. 589229;1396032317;mircea_popescu;must be some high performance al-cu alloy 589230;1396032319;mike_c;re: not brissant: " provides another layer of deflection and finally causes the Model S to ramp up and over the object if it is essentially incompressible and immovable" 589231;1396032321;benkay;going to puncture it on a drunken weekend soon 589232;1396032349;mike_c;so if it doesn't crumble it causes the car to fly! 589233;1396032361;tg2;wifes s3 blew up while charging 589234;1396032363;mircea_popescu;this looks like 2618 level shit. 589235;1396032371;tg2;like expanded and then blew out 589236;1396032377;tg2;burnt the nightstand 589237;1396032389;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00565714 = 0.5657 BTC [-] {8} 589238;1396032390;tg2;next level samsung QC 589239;1396032434;BingoBoingo;;;seen vexual 589240;1396032434;gribble;vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 1 day, 19 hours, 31 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat 589241;1396032450;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3639 @ 0.00094073 = 3.4233 BTC [+] 589242;1396032450;tg2;benkay, just charge it at 5-10x it's C rating 589243;1396032461;benkay;where's the fun in that, tg2 ? 589244;1396032471;benkay;'sides, risky for the charger. 589245;1396032472;tg2;ok ok shoot it with a firearm 589246;1396032476;benkay;that's another plan. 589247;1396032496;benkay;but firearms and booze are not my favorite combo. 589248;1396032511;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00404933 = 0.4049 BTC [-] {7} 589249;1396032572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.007215 = 0.1443 BTC [-] {2} 589250;1396032604;the20year2;almost .0075 589251;1396032606;BingoBoingo;firearms and booze are like cars and booze, best kept well apart from each other in time and space 589252;1396032661;benkay;!t h rent 589253;1396032752;assbot;I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word. 589254;1396032752;benkay;the manip is in, eh, the20year2 ? 589255;1396032752;the20year2;News 589256;1396032752;benkay;plan to let your stockholders sell at the same price as your round 2 ipo? 589257;1396032752;benkay;iplol 589258;1396032752;the20year2;i haven't had to buy a single share to increase price 589259;1396032752;moiety;evening 589260;1396032752;benkay;totally, man. 589261;1396032752;benkay;lo mo 589262;1396032752;kakobrekla;how cum the ticker aint working, this aint right. 589263;1396032752;benkay;!t m s.mpoe 589264;1396032752;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00092844 / 0.00093601 / 0.000944 (1677335 shares, 1,570.02 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094341 / 0.00095875 (6339010 shares, 5,980.31 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00086422 / 0.00096 (31068816 shares, 26,850.50 BTC) 589265;1396032752;benkay;!mp 589266;1396032752;assbot;Please use http://dpaste.com/ 589267;1396032752;benkay;!help 589268;1396032752;assbot;List of commands: 589269;1396032753;assbot;!ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t} 589270;1396032754;assbot;!last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l} 589271;1396032755;assbot;!mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order) 589272;1396032756;assbot;!rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r} 589273;1396032757;assbot;!exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e} 589274;1396032758;assbot;!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com) 589275;1396032759;assbot;!bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b} 589276;1396032760;assbot;!quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q} 589277;1396032761;BingoBoingo;!t h COG 589278;1396032851;assbot;It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money. 589279;1396032851;kakobrekla;nothing. 589280;1396032851;benkay;testing... 589281;1396032851;kakobrekla;lol 589282;1396032851;benkay;testing in production.... 589283;1396032851;benkay;assbarf 589284;1396032851;mike_c;assbot is trying to catch up to mp's line count 589285;1396032851;kakobrekla;havelock api is down 589286;1396032851;kakobrekla;or they changed ips 589287;1396032851;kakobrekla;or something 589288;1396032851;BingoBoingo;Scam 589289;1396032851;kakobrekla;ping topace 589290;1396032851;benkay;he's not involved any more, kakobrekla 589291;1396032851;benkay;GOSH 589292;1396032851;kakobrekla;lel 589293;1396032851;kakobrekla;but he is their sys admin 589294;1396032851;kakobrekla;afaik? 589295;1396032851;topace;pong 589296;1396032853;kakobrekla;something wrong wit the api? 589297;1396032863;kakobrekla;lol assbot 589298;1396032868;topace;did the IP change ? 589299;1396032873;topace;you had me change the hostname 589300;1396032877;topace;but i figured it was the same IP 589301;1396032886;topace;if the IP changed, then i need to modify firewall 589302;1396032892;kakobrekla;its the same ip 589303;1396032902;moiety;assbot has diarrhoea? 589304;1396032903;kakobrekla;lets take this to private 589305;1396032910;topace;k 589306;1396032926;BingoBoingo;!t m MNKY 589307;1396032927;assbot;It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money. 589308;1396032944;moiety;lolol 589309;1396032997;topace;!ticker h rent 589310;1396032998;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600000 / 0.00665087 / 0.00735000 (1380 shares, 9.17820480 BTC), 7D: 0.00521010 / 0.00581253 / 0.00735000 (5100 shares, 29.64390553 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00559595 / 0.00900001 (48904 shares, 273.66417474 BTC) 589311;1396033010;kakobrekla;dafuk 589312;1396033016;moiety;;; later tell mircea_popescu a turtle surfing seal pup?! lolol 589313;1396033016;gribble;The operation succeeded. 589314;1396033020;kakobrekla;!t h rent 589315;1396033021;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600000 / 0.00665087 / 0.00735000 (1380 shares, 9.17820480 BTC), 7D: 0.00521010 / 0.00581253 / 0.00735000 (5100 shares, 29.64390553 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00559595 / 0.00900001 (48904 shares, 273.66417474 BTC) 589316;1396033026;kakobrekla;what is this nao 589317;1396033031;kakobrekla;benkay you are broked 589318;1396033049;benkay;i r broked? 589319;1396033055;benkay;!t h rent 589320;1396033055;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600000 / 0.00665087 / 0.00735000 (1380 shares, 9.17820480 BTC), 7D: 0.00521010 / 0.00581253 / 0.00735000 (5100 shares, 29.64390553 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00559595 / 0.00900001 (48904 shares, 273.66417474 BTC) 589321;1396033087;kakobrekla;anyway, where were we 589322;1396033090;kakobrekla;wheelbarrows! 589323;1396033148;BingoBoingo;!t h COG 589324;1396033149;assbot;[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03427132 / 0.08349952 (1224 shares, 41.94809170 BTC) 589325;1396033189;benkay;!l h rent 589326;1396033189;assbot;Last trade for RENT on HAVELOCK was at 0.007215 BTC [-] 589327;1396033208;mike_c;holee shit. michael abrash is joining carmack at oculus. amazing. 589328;1396033208;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 589329;1396033216;mike_c;indeed assbot. 589330;1396033219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+] 589331;1396033234;mircea_popescu;which one is michael abrash 589332;1396033250;mircea_popescu;noob moiety sending later tits to present people. 589333;1396033264;moiety;i didnt know you were here 589334;1396033282;moiety;i need to read all ze log before responding 589335;1396033329;mircea_popescu;all zeee logs! 589336;1396033330;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8g2bq94KG1qmo65zo1_1280.jpg 589337;1396033399;benkay;vile hdr 589338;1396033412;mircea_popescu;nice feet tho. 589339;1396033439;tg2;that's how you get ants 589340;1396033458;moiety;not so keen on that one iono why 589341;1396033469;BingoBoingo;www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/28/fundraiser-resolved/ 589342;1396033470;joecool;hdr, throwin up rainbows now, thx 589343;1396033526;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo o hey, wd. 589344;1396033535;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Thanks 589345;1396033568;BingoBoingo;Everyone is free to guess at the identity of the generous soul 589346;1396033583;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1333 @ 0.00011999 = 0.1599 BTC [+] 589347;1396033594;moiety;ace stuff BingoBoingo :D 589348;1396033625;moiety;ok! ok! jeez stop hounding me folks: MOTD http://i.imgur.com/VwcR5RS.jpg 589349;1396033640;mike_c;mircea_popescu: carmack and abrash were the talent & brains behind id software (doom,quake) 589350;1396033644;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 407 @ 0.00211306 = 0.86 BTC [-] {7} 589351;1396033684;tg2;http://underview.tumblr.com/image/80990750725 589352;1396033684;ozbot;UNDERVIEW: Photo 589353;1396033708;tg2;this is a nice curated collection 589354;1396033708;tg2;http://underview.tumblr.com/ 589355;1396033709;ozbot;UNDERVIEW 589356;1396033760;tg2;storage:/storage 307T 252T 56T 82% /storage 589357;1396033764;tg2;fk gotta add more space 589358;1396033766;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 626 @ 0.00200994 = 1.2582 BTC [-] {10} 589359;1396033775;tg2;my porn collection knows no bounds 589360;1396033827;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.58127506 = 2.3251 BTC [-] {3} 589361;1396034071;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58100002 BTC [-] 589362;1396034376;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00094073 = 19.6142 BTC [+] 589363;1396034628;KRS-One;heh 589364;1396034634;KRS-One;.bait 589365;1396034636;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luzcbsm8L41qz58qso1_500.jpg 589366;1396034803;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07259996 = 0.2178 BTC [-] {2} 589367;1396035047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.00199999 = 0.132 BTC [+] 589368;1396035080;tg2;;;ident 589369;1396035081;gribble;Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 31FAA963C3333333, key fingerprint BFB291FE6B88A151B3BD2F9C31FAA963C3333333, and bitcoin address None 589370;1396035108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00195015 = 0.585 BTC [-] {5} 589371;1396035128;tg2;.bait 589372;1396035130;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0bk2zSd8z1qhntr3o1_1280.jpg 589373;1396035143;tg2;ozbot help 589374;1396035150;BingoBoingo;.help 589375;1396035150;ozbot;All commands can be processed in channel or in PM 589376;1396035150;ozbot;Commands: .bait .count .diff .earn .exchange .nethash .rates .lcrates .tslb 589377;1396035169;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00094081 = 14.0181 BTC [+] {2} 589378;1396035173;tg2;possible to populate bait? 589379;1396035198;BingoBoingo;tg2: Post to tumbler? 589380;1396035212;tg2;tags? 589381;1396035229;mike_c;michael lewis' new book is about hft traders. should be interesting. (lewis=liar's poker, moneyball, the big short) 589382;1396035272;mircea_popescu;mike_c who was the guy with the katana ? 589383;1396035293;BingoBoingo;Richard Stallman? 589384;1396035331;mike_c;don't know, don't think it was lewis 589385;1396035336;mircea_popescu;nono, worked with those two, ended up making a game company which burned through 10mn of 1990s dollars to make some katana game 589386;1396035349;mircea_popescu;which never got made. largest vaporware story in gaming. 589387;1396035352;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.58100001 = 11.039 BTC [-] {2} 589388;1396035353;benkay;stephenson 589389;1396035365;mircea_popescu;Daikatana! 589390;1396035370;mircea_popescu;John Romero 589391;1396035383;mike_c;vaporware video game must be duke nukem 589392;1396035388;mircea_popescu;he was the third man at id, but apparently got erased. 589393;1396035397;benkay;;;ticker 589394;1396035398;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 497.12, Best ask: 497.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.48000, Last trade: 497.12, 24 hour volume: 42616.48906348, 24 hour low: 466.1, 24 hour high: 532.0, 24 hour vwap: 501.447744429 589395;1396035413;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.58083333 = 3.485 BTC [-] {2} 589396;1396035452;tg2;"Flash Boys" is the name of the book 589397;1396035474;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.58 = 2.9 BTC [-] 589398;1396035483;tg2;I just want to read some shit about through-earth data transmission 589399;1396035493;tg2;and i'm sure HFT will be the first place it shows up lol 589400;1396035629;mike_c;BingoBoingo: it was kako. 589401;1396035695;mike_c;easy blockchain sniffing. 589402;1396035720;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 589403;1396035817;mike_c;not like the other day when you posted that md4 challenge and i almost fried my graphics card trying to crack it. 589404;1396035841;tg2;fucking ebay - i searched for lipo batteries ONCE, literally 1 session in the last year 589405;1396035849;tg2;my hompage is now full of rc cars 589406;1396035856;tg2;order $100k of surplus servers 589407;1396035860;tg2;not even 1 server on there 589408;1396035881;tg2;solid graph ebay 589409;1396036023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 589410;1396036066;the20year2;Sweet, .008 589411;1396036087;mike_c;now the ipo is underpriced! 589412;1396036094;mike_c;"i"po 589413;1396036113;the20year2;crap, i was wrong, it was displaying asks, granted there's only about 25 shares between .0075 and .008 589414;1396036146;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10572 @ 0.00094335 = 9.9731 BTC [+] {3} 589415;1396036146;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00193468 = 0.4837 BTC [-] {7} 589416;1396036206;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00187956 = 1.8796 BTC [-] {12} 589417;1396036207;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59490453 BTC [+] 589418;1396036694;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42386 @ 0.00094661 = 40.123 BTC [+] {4} 589419;1396036811;mircea_popescu;http://bramcohen.livejournal.com/72298.html 589420;1396036813;ozbot;bramcohen: Freenode sucks 589421;1396036815;mircea_popescu;lulzy butthurt 589422;1396036927;benkay;how ams even identity 589423;1396037182;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+] 589424;1396037183;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 115 @ 0.00739164 = 0.85 BTC [+] {3} 589425;1396037219;mircea_popescu;and since we're on it, 589426;1396037220;mircea_popescu;https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Freenode 589427;1396037221;ozbot;Freenode - Encyclopedia Dramatica 589428;1396037243;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+] 589429;1396037472;pLambert;what's going on with NEOBEE, why are they stopped trading? 589430;1396037496;mircea_popescu;it ticked a minunte ago, what stopped ? 589431;1396037517;pLambert;https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=NEOBEE says trading is stopped 589432;1396037589;mircea_popescu;well they didn't announce it or anything. 589433;1396037609;pLambert;I think that is their method of announcement? 589434;1396037614;mircea_popescu;possibly butthurt over having shed 50% over a week and well... yet another one of those great "half your money in half a year" glbse-style things. 589435;1396037629;mircea_popescu;pLambert i guess it must be. 589436;1396037652;pLambert;is ThickAsTheives still the pass-through manager for this one? 589437;1396037664;mircea_popescu;pt from where to where ? 589438;1396037677;pLambert;from direct shares to Havelock 589439;1396037711;pLambert;"Havelock Investments has been formally informed by the Pass-Through Fund Manager" <-- that guy 589440;1396037814;pankkake;yes, he is 589441;1396037818;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you actually managing neobee on hl ? 589442;1396037822;benkay;http://ejj.io/keybase-io-vulnerability/ 589443;1396037823;ozbot;Keybase.io vulnerability 589444;1396037925;mircea_popescu;funny when the first time some webservice is taken seriously by someone 589445;1396037933;mircea_popescu;is simply to describe how pointless and broken it is 589446;1396038000;mike_c;i get cloudflare errors 75% of the time i try to go to havelock. 589447;1396038025;tg2;who's sysadmining over there? 589448;1396038026;pankkake;such protection 589449;1396038066;tg2;L2webscale 589450;1396038097;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25162 @ 0.00094806 = 23.8551 BTC [+] {2} 589451;1396038191;tg2;re: rent -> The median purchase price for one single-family freestanding residential home in our areas of business stands at approximately $37,500. 589452;1396038204;tg2;> The majority of these kinds of homes will rent for $700 per month 589453;1396038211;ThickAsThieves;I am no longer involved with LMB/Neo 589454;1396038211;tg2;right 589455;1396038224;mircea_popescu;benkay check it out, @benkay is nao more famous than you are https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/449585590187880448 589456;1396038234;ThickAsThieves;You'll need to contact Neo/LMB or Danny for any other info 589457;1396038253;pankkake;:o 589458;1396038260;benkay;wasn't via me, tho mircea_popescu, was it? 589459;1396038273;pLambert;then who is the Pass Through Fund Manager now? 589460;1396038319;ThickAsThieves;LMB would be the only party with power over it 589461;1396038327;benkay;mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014&bots=true#588733 589462;1396038332;mircea_popescu;no, it was via stan. 589463;1396038350;pLambert;is it really a pass-through if the company is running it themself? 589464;1396038350;benkay;also twitter fame? 589465;1396038353;benkay;i think that i'll pass. 589466;1396038373;benkay;i'm not out of retirement yet, free to troll silicon valley all day. 589467;1396038387;benkay;shit i ain't even sufficiently well capitalized to go *into* retirement yet! 589468;1396038392;ThickAsThieves;the offering was always under the control of Neo, any role I was a part of was as an independent contractor 589469;1396038402;ThickAsThieves;sorry LMB, not Neo, technically 589470;1396038405;benkay;although Survant James hit a milestone recently - we now have eight full months of runway in the bank at current rates. 589471;1396038406;tg2;was anyone notable using zorro aes anywya lol 589472;1396038418;benkay;*fist pump after fist pump after fist pump* 589473;1396038435;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2014#526060 589474;1396038438;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 589475;1396038448;mircea_popescu;tg2 no. 589476;1396038452;benkay;lol "much as goat is not related to pirate" 589477;1396038454;tg2;fk a guy I fired is making 170k/yr at amazon now :'9 589478;1396038461;tg2;how is this even possible 589479;1396038469;tg2;silicon valley, pls 589480;1396038473;benkay;tg2: aws only hires the fired 589481;1396038483;benkay;nobody else is taking those jaeorbs 589482;1396038495;mircea_popescu;benkay i still don't get what the relation is supposed to have been. just that the guy can't stfu ? 589483;1396038524;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.57000003 = 2.28 BTC [-] {3} 589484;1396038529;benkay;was goat not a pirate pass through operator? 589485;1396038537;mircea_popescu;no, goat part is clear. tat/neobee part 589486;1396038539;pLambert;yes, he was the biggest 589487;1396038577;benkay;goat me 589488;1396038585;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.07803404 = 0.7803 BTC [+] {3} 589489;1396038586;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00404004 = 0.202 BTC [-] {3} 589490;1396038587;benkay;was not tat originally affiliated with n/b? 589491;1396038616;mircea_popescu;well that's what im looking for. 589492;1396038633;benkay;you're the one with researchers on staff. 589493;1396038637;benkay;GET IT ON STAFF 589494;1396038643;tg2;FOLLOWERS: 14 589495;1396038646;tg2;quality over quantity I suppose 589496;1396038648;pLambert;was neobee using TAT as a way to get into the community? I feel like there were scammers that did something similar before? 589497;1396038650;ThickAsThieves;benkay it would depend on your definition of affliated 589498;1396038658;Apocalyptic;benkay, what's your relation to the paper ? 589499;1396038660;benkay;B=====D 589500;1396038666;benkay;^^ staff 589501;1396038693;mircea_popescu;benkay actually that log link is quite epic. 589502;1396038696;mircea_popescu;it's all coming back to me. 589503;1396038705;mircea_popescu;"Feb 24 21:08:44 <mircea_popescu>what's going on in your head ? " 589504;1396038716;BingoBoingo;benkay: Is that php? 589505;1396038744;ThickAsThieves;pLambert I'm not clear to line of your questioning as it seems somewhat speculative, but as I mentioned, the relationship from the start was a contractual one between separate parties 589506;1396038747;mircea_popescu;so actually tat had some sort of ipo-coupon asset (xbond) which ipo-couponed neo, and then he was running the neobee hl asset. 589507;1396038753;bounce;no, the more advanced facebook "hack" variety 589508;1396038754;benkay;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2014#526110 589509;1396038756;mircea_popescu;so now ThickAsThieves when exactly did you stop running it ? 589510;1396038758;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 589511;1396038766;benkay;ThickAsThieves:i have a contract with Neo 589512;1396038768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00094822 = 3.7929 BTC [+] 589513;1396038791;benkay;BingoBoingo: phpenis 589514;1396038825;BingoBoingo;ThickAsThieves: You ever start that blag 589515;1396038869;ThickAsThieves;mp, I think all I can really say at this time is that you'd need to contact LMB for more info. 589516;1396038886;mircea_popescu;no, im contacting you for more info. 589517;1396038887;benkay;see that's the kinda thing that tars you with the LMB brush, ThickAsThieves 589518;1396038896;mircea_popescu;so, you were running an asset. why aren;'t you announcing it stopped trading, if it did 589519;1396038909;mircea_popescu;and why arent you announcing you're no longer running it and who is now running it, if you aren't. 589520;1396038914;mircea_popescu;what the hell is this, havelockism ?! 589521;1396038924;pankkake;:( 589522;1396039004;pLambert;TAT, when did you stop running the pass-through? 589523;1396039088;BingoBoingo;http://gawker.com/park-slope-kids-salon-stop-calling-your-wifi-lulus-a-1553651388 589524;1396039089;ozbot;Park Slope Kids Salon: Stop Calling Your Wifi "LuLu's Anal Bleaching" 589525;1396039180;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: possibilities for beautiful names are limitless. 'NSAPenalBattalion'. 589526;1396039230;asciilifeform;('NSAShtrafbat' for the culturally literate) 589527;1396039233;BingoBoingo;I remember flipping my Wifi'sname back and forth between Skynet and John Conner for some time 589528;1396039252;benkay;mine is surveillancevan97*** 589529;1396039332;mircea_popescu;NSAnalButtLion 589530;1396039363;mike_c;hm. Neobee halts trading, TaT is running from it.. guess this is one is diving into the dead pool. 589531;1396039381;mike_c;0.13 btc for the taking. http://bitbet.us/bet/762/neobee-orphaned-in-2014/ 589532;1396039416;pankkake;cease to be traded… temporarily? 589533;1396039437;mike_c;i don't think temporarily counts, but it sounds like it will be permanent soon to me. 589534;1396039439;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8789 @ 0.00094836 = 8.3351 BTC [+] 589535;1396039492;mircea_popescu;not looking terribly good. 589536;1396039502;benkay;let the mods figure it out. 589537;1396039523;mircea_popescu;how the fuck some "company" slash "ceo" that can spend enough to mediabuy a small mediteranean island can't get their corp comms in working order is beyond comprehension. 589538;1396039525;mircea_popescu;only in bitcoin 589539;1396039560;mircea_popescu;somehow nobody goes to conferences tro say "hay! we're so fucking retarded, you wouldn't believe!" 589540;1396039579;pLambert;yeah, looks like the bet should resolve to "Yes" even for a temporary halt of trading? 589541;1396039622;mike_c;i don't think that's the spirit of the bet, but i don't think it matters. 589542;1396039659;benkay;if there were actual btc on the line, the mod who approved it might get a caning 589543;1396039670;BingoBoingo;;;tslb 589544;1396039674;gribble;Time since last block: 7 minutes and 44 seconds 589545;1396039685;pLambert;And Herp sees the trade stopping as a good thing: "This was probably a good move due to all the manipulation. Spamtroll manipulators had a field day recently while Neo was busy elsewhere." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529946.msg5956564#msg5956564 589546;1396039709;pankkake;yeah that made me WTF too 589547;1396039745;mircea_popescu;busy... elsewhere ? 589548;1396039755;pLambert;wait, we are the same person, pankkake, right? Why am I talking to myself? 589549;1396039770;mircea_popescu;kids wanna accounting-fraud their own books (which they don't keep anyway) and woe unto anyone getting in their way. 589550;1396039783;pankkake;:). the actual crumbs is talking to itself on the forums quite often 589551;1396039799;BingoBoingo;As the asshole who wrote that BitBet my though was havecocks not lasting through the end of the year 589552;1396039827;benkay;they're under no real pressure 589553;1396039839;benkay;they skim off trades, and delist when things start looking shady 589554;1396039841;ThickAsThieves;In case any of you missed it, Havelock has shared that "the compliance officer of Neo and Bee Ltd has stated that due to an increase of abnormal activity on the LMB share platform, there may be a high possibility of questionable trading activity. While Neo and Bee Ltd investigate the issue further they have strongly recommended that we halt trading and transfers." 589555;1396039862;neilol;^^ it's inconclusive 589556;1396039876;neilol;and to anyone saying TAT is running from this... he stepped down weeks ago 589557;1396039885;benkay;;;gettrust neilol 589558;1396039886;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user neilol: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=neilol | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=neilol | Rated since: never 589559;1396039897;benkay;and who are you, neilol ? 589560;1396039902;mircea_popescu;wait what ?! 589561;1396039933;ThickAsThieves;neilol, please don't speak for me 589562;1396039938;mircea_popescu;benkay has it basically. skim while fools flock, delist once it goes to shit, the glbse v2.0 589563;1396039941;mircea_popescu;higher admin effort. 589564;1396039947;mike_c;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2014#517531 589565;1396039949;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 589566;1396039959;ThickAsThieves;i appreciate the effort, but you do not have facts 589567;1396039963;velacreations;when did TAT step down and why wasn't shareholders notified? 589568;1396039976;psterryl;could it be that btcapples guy who did tons of off-market trades between LMB and Havelock? 589569;1396039978;benkay;velacreations: see the link of mike_c 's 589570;1396039982;mircea_popescu;mike_c that's the asicminer stuff neh ? 589571;1396039986;mike_c;23:39:35ThickAsThieves:NEOBEE is not changing operators. 589572;1396039991;HeySteve;hey velacreations, enjoyed your aquaponics work 589573;1396039992;Diablo-D3;velacreations: awhile back, and they were. 589574;1396040001;jurov;velacreations: paranormal activity 589575;1396040024;jurov;TaT was snatched by aliens 589576;1396040042;mircea_popescu;so wait... neobee asked havelock to halt trading because *neobee* suspects there's insider trading going on ? 589577;1396040042;pankkake;Diablo-D3: you must be confusing with AsicMiner 589578;1396040046;jurov;and subjected to hyperadvanced rectothermal technology 589579;1396040049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00094743 = 8.0532 BTC [-] {2} 589580;1396040050;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00560863 = 2.8043 BTC [-] {10} 589581;1396040067;velacreations;they were, funny, I am not seeing anything pertaining to NEOBEE in that link 589582;1396040071;mircea_popescu;basically what happened here, the cfo ran off with a block of shares ? 589583;1396040071;Diablo-D3;pankkake: might be? 589584;1396040082;neilol;Jesus - sorry, not speaking for you TAT, didn't realize it was actually a sensitive issue 589585;1396040084;velacreations;that is AM, and TAT clearly says NEOBEE isn't affected 589586;1396040100;neilol;just a few uninformed not paying attention 589587;1396040121;mircea_popescu;neilol who are ye ? 589588;1396040137;neilol;depends on what you mean 589589;1396040140;neilol;no one by most accounts 589590;1396040141;neilol;probably 589591;1396040143;ThickAsThieves;the contract with LMB and our services was officially terminated today, initiated by me 589592;1396040171;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07298718 = 0.5109 BTC [+] {3} 589593;1396040179;mike_c;so you are the one who ran away with shares?? (j/k) 589594;1396040184;ThickAsThieves;no 589595;1396040194;Duffer1;every ending, new beginning etc.. 589596;1396040197;neilol;oh internets 589597;1396040202;mircea_popescu;yes well as general practice, the underwriter of a stock can't just quit, they have to leave the stock to be shepherded by someone else. 589598;1396040208;psterryl;has there been a hack as some people are suggesting? 589599;1396040213;mircea_popescu;i suppose in this case, since it's stopped trading anyway it's kind-of moot. 589600;1396040232;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11128 @ 0.00094836 = 10.5534 BTC [+] 589601;1396040232;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07299692 = 0.438 BTC [+] 589602;1396040233;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07805001 = 0.3122 BTC [+] 589603;1396040242;ThickAsThieves;mp, the current manager would now be LMB 589604;1396040253;velacreations;exactly, MP, how does a fund manager just "quit" without notifying the fund? 589605;1396040295;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07045014 = 0.7045 BTC [-] {4} 589606;1396040296;mircea_popescu;velacreations well, apparently he just has notified it. 589607;1396040315;ThickAsThieves;the PT was always run under the authorization of LMB 589608;1396040346;velacreations;mp, what I mean is that he has (in the past) given advanced notice, and it was sent on official channels, like the exchange, company website, fund thread, etc 589609;1396040355;Diablo-D3;Hrm. 589610;1396040356;Diablo-D3;Hey guys. 589611;1396040359;benkay;ThickAsThieves: would you clearsign and pastebin something to the effect of "I am no longer affiliated with Neobee, your next point of contact is thus and such."? 589612;1396040369;Diablo-D3;I want you to prove I should accept Bitcoin for my business. 589613;1396040383;benkay;you shouldn't. 589614;1396040385;ThickAsThieves;benkay, is that not evident otherwise? 589615;1396040394;benkay;it'd be a nice precedent. 589616;1396040404;jurov;^ tat, i agree 589617;1396040407;benkay;i could put it on my blog 589618;1396040411;ThickAsThieves;no problem 589619;1396040411;Diablo-D3;think if I start a forum thread, in dollars 589620;1396040415;benkay;thanks, man. 589621;1396040416;Diablo-D3;with a coupon code thats like 589622;1396040421;Diablo-D3;"votebitcoin" 589623;1396040441;Diablo-D3;and say there has to be 25 uses of the code 589624;1396040451;Diablo-D3;before Ill accept bitcoin 589625;1396040451;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves can't hurt anything 589626;1396040453;Diablo-D3;people would do it? 589627;1396040454;mircea_popescu;;;ident ThickAsThieves 589628;1396040454;gribble;Nick 'ThickAsThieves', with hostmask 'ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves', is not identified. 589629;1396040467;jurov;Diablo-D3: what's ur bsnss? hosting? 589630;1396040483;Diablo-D3;jurov: exelion.net 589631;1396040484;ThickAsThieves;gimme a few mins to auth and sign message 589632;1396040489;ljack;hello all 589633;1396040491;benkay;thanks, TAT 589634;1396040501;mircea_popescu;velacreations this chan is the gazette of record of all bitcoin asset matters, but that aside i agree it's not convenient for various investors etc to not get info in whatever channels and forms they prefer. 589635;1396040550;jurov;Diablo-D3: US only? 589636;1396040595;velacreations;mp, it's not convenient when "official news" has traditionally been given through other means 589637;1396040599;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.005602 = 0.2521 BTC [-] 589638;1396040605;mircea_popescu;i see it. 589639;1396040607;ljack;I hate that I missed your announcement TAT, is there any chance you will be posting it in a public place besides here? 589640;1396040608;Diablo-D3;jurov: only Dallas location atm. 589641;1396040618;benkay;ljack: i'll host it too. 589642;1396040690;BingoBoingo;Oh, the whole forum is showing up 589643;1396040709;ljack;lol, i never use irc. until today. 589644;1396040721;benkay;welcome ljack this is where the biz actually transpires. 589645;1396040751;ljack;i see now; ill know better in the future 589646;1396040762;ThickAsThieves;no one "missed" any announcement, so far as the asset was halted beforehand anyway 589647;1396040782;ThickAsThieves;i'm bcverified now btw 589648;1396040787;ThickAsThieves;feel free to check 589649;1396040792;benkay;;;ident ThickAsThieves 589650;1396040793;gribble;Nick 'ThickAsThieves', with hostmask 'ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves', is identified as user 'ThickAsThieves', with GPG key id B28732FE807495EC, key fingerprint D649FD3B664A6BCF801D727EB28732FE807495EC, and bitcoin address 1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk 589651;1396040794;ThickAsThieves;my gpg is tied to the same 589652;1396040795;ljack;wasnt trying to insult; just read on the forums that you were no longer involved, was seeking clarification 589653;1396040803;benkay;would you clearsign a statement that I can host please, ThickAsThieves ? 589654;1396040814;ThickAsThieves;please clarify "clearsign: 589655;1396040815;ThickAsThieves;" 589656;1396040821;benkay;gpg clearsign 589657;1396040830;ljack;I purchased some of the btcapples shares, concerned about the authenticity of them 589658;1396040836;benkay;or bitcoin sign a message 589659;1396040842;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5705 = 1.141 BTC [+] {2} 589660;1396040843;ThickAsThieves;k 589661;1396040843;benkay;sorta the same thing (sorta) 589662;1396040860;jurov;the text would be "I was notified of paranormal activity and decided to blabla" 589663;1396040869;benkay;paranormlol 589664;1396040893;velacreations;of course the whole forum is here, they want to hear the news 589665;1396040903;ljack;I dont mind them freezing it; just want to know I didnt get burned. Guys claims they are legit though 589666;1396040908;neoncillo;aliens always ruining nice things, first egiptians, then mayans, now neobee 589667;1396040914;ljack;GreenBits from the forums btw 589668;1396040923;mircea_popescu;benkay you can host what ?! 589669;1396040930;benkay;text. 589670;1396040942;mircea_popescu;you mean the chan log ?! 589671;1396040943;artifexd;While I expect that TAT will only issue an "I am no longer affiliated" type statement, adding a reason why would be nice. 589672;1396040957;benkay;are you not reading logs today mircea_popescu ? 589673;1396040965;mircea_popescu;artifexd i sort-of suspect he'd have said it by now if he perceived he could. 589674;1396040977;mircea_popescu;benkay i am! what! 589675;1396040979;artifexd;Hence my expectation 589676;1396040982;benkay;i want a gpg signed thing! 589677;1396040982;neoncillo;artifexd, +1 589678;1396040985;benkay;logs are insufficient. 589679;1396041002;jurov;that's why the paranormal suggestion 589680;1396041002;ljack;Yeah, I dont expect to hear the whole of it 589681;1396041008;asciilifeform;as someone quite far from all of this, i still find it interesting just how much of the '2011 bitcoin' world is still chugging along. 589682;1396041008;mircea_popescu;benkay no i get that part, but once he signs a gpg statement what do you need permission to host it for ? 589683;1396041016;asciilifeform;does the chumpatronium never run out? 589684;1396041027;benkay;i don't need permission to host it 589685;1396041029;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform stuff is hard. 589686;1396041046;benkay;i'm asking for a thing that stands on its own. 589687;1396041046;asciilifeform;how hard is it to simply sit on coin? 589688;1396041056;mircea_popescu;"<benkay> would you clearsign a statement that I can host please" read to me that you want him to permit you to host it in writing lol. 589689;1396041062;mircea_popescu;i see what you actually meant nao 589690;1396041063;benkay;bah no sir 589691;1396041067;mike_c;asciilifeform: facebook has over 1 billion users. chumpatron will never run out of fuel. 589692;1396041068;mircea_popescu;seemed so fucking weird lol 589693;1396041086;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23240 @ 0.00094932 = 22.0622 BTC [+] 589694;1396041098;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform question of mothers towards their young sons that got a girl pregnant, since forever : 589695;1396041103;mircea_popescu;"how hard is it to just sit on that cock!!1" 589696;1396041107;*;chatquack stumbles in 589697;1396041110;asciilifeform;lol 589698;1396041119;ThickAsThieves;Address: 1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk 589699;1396041129;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1761926/plain/) 589700;1396041129;jurov;!b 4 589701;1396041129;mircea_popescu;daugthers, idem 589702;1396041152;assbot;Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1761927/plain/) 589703;1396041152;mike_c;!b 8 589704;1396041153;ThickAsThieves;Message: 589705;1396041162;benkay;ThickAsThieves: pastebin? 589706;1396041168;ThickAsThieves;sure 589707;1396041170;ThickAsThieves;sec 589708;1396041182;jurov;TaT wants to get bashed :D 589709;1396041208;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 421 @ 0.00047331 = 0.1993 BTC [+] {9} 589710;1396041224;asciilifeform;phacebook luserbase might pay with anal virginity, but at least they're not spending actual money 589711;1396041245;mircea_popescu;seems a dubious consolation. 589712;1396041262;neoncillo;bitcoin/actual money, pick one 589713;1396041267;asciilifeform;i'm just trying to wrap my puny brain around the conundrum of why 'havelock' etc. still exist 589714;1396041269;benkay;a little anal always consoles me. 589715;1396041274;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's easy. 589716;1396041302;mircea_popescu;you know, like coloring books, nobody says they shouldn't exist, just, they should exist in a much more fucking responseible fashion 589717;1396041330;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 610 @ 0.00095634 = 0.5834 BTC [+] 589718;1396041330;ThickAsThieves;Signed Announcement: http://dpaste.com/1761928/ 589719;1396041338;benkay;thanks, ThickAsThieves 589720;1396041371;mike_c;well, one way it existed until now is TaT fronted five of the funds. now he's down to zero. 589721;1396041391;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 36 @ 0.0075 = 0.27 BTC [+] {2} 589722;1396041396;frenchie;so you initiated the termination of your contract with neo for what reasons ? 589723;1396041410;mircea_popescu;mike_c which means some eager young fellow full of hope and good intentions is about to show up 589724;1396041421;asciilifeform;just feels like a mindfuck to wander into, e.g. leningrad hermitage and see... colouring books. 589725;1396041424;artifexd;ThickAsThieves Can you tell us when was the last time you had any direct communication with Danny? 589726;1396041455;mircea_popescu;like this fellow : https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/449558141525827584 589727;1396041460;ThickAsThieves;I last spoke with Danny on March 21, 2014 589728;1396041477;GreenBits;Im not too concerned this is a cut and run, too much capital invested at this point. But that is interesting TAT 589729;1396041485;mike_c;xapo will fix all these problems. they bury shit in a mountain. 589730;1396041488;kanzure;even if everyting is okay it is probably a good idea to terminate 589731;1396041489;artifexd;ty 589732;1396041502;kanzure;because communication channels can be compromised 589733;1396041512;asciilifeform;do they also bury the user in the mountain? 589734;1396041519;asciilifeform;you know, the fellow with the password 589735;1396041522;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mostly, their head. 589736;1396041528;mircea_popescu;it's just big enough to fit in a mountain. 589737;1396041540;mike_c;no no ascii, they have "layer on layer" of security. it'll be fine. 589738;1396041556;mircea_popescu;mike_c aaa, but was it built from the ground up with a cock in mind ? 589739;1396041559;kanzure;ThickAsThieves: were the terms of your contract public? 589740;1396041561;mircea_popescu;wait no that's not how it went 589741;1396041569;asciilifeform;when do we get a mountain for burial of pgp keys? 589742;1396041592;benkay;it's called keybase.io, asciilifeform . 589743;1396041596;GreenBits;May I ask if this lack of communication contributed to your decision? 589744;1396041597;benkay;js-secure! 589745;1396041599;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform itd be a pretty korean thing to do, you know ? buy a mountain, sculpt the faces of great bitcoin jesuses all around, have a light at the top to represent satoshi... 589746;1396041605;ThickAsThieves;kanzure, no they were not 589747;1396041645;frenchie;TAT: can you disclose what motivated your decision to terminate the contract ? 589748;1396041646;kasa32;ThickAsThieves - what made you terminate the agreement since you spoke with Danny on 21st? 589749;1396041660;kasa32;you had no recent communication with him 589750;1396041675;mircea_popescu;frenchie kasa32 this is in the log. 589751;1396041699;kasa32;he didn't say 589752;1396041709;mike_c;he said he wouldn't say. 589753;1396041710;mircea_popescu;no, he didn't, but he was asked. 589754;1396041714;asciilifeform;re: the mountain: it would at least begin to make sense if the people involved provided an actual service - say, they hold keys and try to verify that you are the meatbag the key belonged to when you walk into an anal probe chamber 589755;1396041723;asciilifeform;but afaik this is not what is happening 589756;1396041737;mircea_popescu;"try to" is not an actual service 589757;1396041751;asciilifeform;well i said 'begin to' make sense, rather than 'makes sense' 589758;1396041759;mircea_popescu;hehe that you did 589759;1396041779;benkay;is NeoBee under the authority of Cypriot or EU banking regulators? 589760;1396041800;asciilifeform;the way that a child drawing a stick figure in mud 'begins to make sense', but a drunken hippie taking a shit onto a canvas doesn't 589761;1396041810;neoncillo;I think it's not since bitcoin is not money in the EU 589762;1396041811;mircea_popescu;benkay cyprus uses the euro. there's no such distinction really. 589763;1396041824;benkay;didn't think so. wiser heads, etc. 589764;1396041879;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0074999 = 0.135 BTC [-] 589765;1396041940;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 95 @ 0.00732663 = 0.696 BTC [-] {3} 589766;1396041941;jurov;benkay sure it is. they do work with euros 589767;1396041966;jurov;bitcoins are supposed to be mostly the backing 589768;1396041979;benkay;the scam contention being that there's no way they can actually resist a haircut. 589769;1396041980;ThickAsThieves;The basic reason is that, with my role being largely to facilitate transfers, I could not perform my contract without guarantee it would not make me party to the trading activity under investigation. As mentioned, Neo also recommended halting all such activity as well. 589770;1396042000;asciilifeform;how do the mountain people decide whom to disgorge a key to? 589771;1396042020;mircea_popescu;that's the problem, they can't really. 589772;1396042035;dexX7;investigation - what timespan? 589773;1396042035;asciilifeform;maybe i'm thick, but it seems to reduce to a poor version of 'brainwallet' but with a 'priest' 589774;1396042046;mike_c;it's a sequence of steps. layers. 589775;1396042057;mike_c;"we’ll use multiple security layers to verify that you have authorized the request. This will initiate a sequence of secure steps to get your requested bitcoins transferred to your wallet within 24 hours." 589776;1396042074;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, just like true love reduces to you waiting ouside the door while they do it. 589777;1396042076;ThickAsThieves;dexX7 I do not understand your question, but it's unlikely I have any timelines to offer at this time 589778;1396042107;mircea_popescu;lol@forum doing irc liveblogging 589779;1396042124;mircea_popescu;must suck to be stuck on the shittier platform, eh ? 589780;1396042135;mircea_popescu;such web. much 2.0. 589781;1396042144;jurov;asciilifeform maybe there's nice little sauna near the summit 589782;1396042147;asciilifeform;how does mountain corp. decide which 'you' is you ? 589783;1396042149;jurov;designated secure 589784;1396042153;kanzure;you're saying i should be grateful for irc? that's a funny one 589785;1396042172;deadweasel;are you not? 589786;1396042188;kanzure;i'll answer as soon as i'm done netsplitting 589787;1396042221;mircea_popescu;let's not be splitting the nets. 589788;1396042230;frenchie;thanks TAT, what's your best guess at what's happening ? 589789;1396042247;ThickAsThieves;frenchie, ask LMB/Neo 589790;1396042281;mircea_popescu;who was it that said she had called but then nobody picked up ? 589791;1396042282;frenchie;well that would be too easy 589792;1396042287;mircea_popescu;o the reuters gal. 589793;1396042343;velacreations;@ThickAsThieves how long have you known about the suspicious trading issues? 589794;1396042384;mircea_popescu;velacreations irc highlights people when you mention their name, no need for @s and stuff. 589795;1396042465;asciilifeform;the 'store btc as service' folks make my brain hurt. it's as if there were suddenly chains of mega-restaurants where they pre-chew food 589796;1396042472;asciilifeform;and everyone seems to be eager to visit 589797;1396042490;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00094902 = 20.8784 BTC [-] 589798;1396042508;asciilifeform;proposing that people who can't remember keys can function in civilization seems like an especially cruel lie 589799;1396042544;mircea_popescu;i can't remember my key, what are you on about. 4096 bits, srsly ? 589800;1396042549;mike_c;well, i think the service is more for those that can't secure their keys. 589801;1396042551;asciilifeform;not key per se 589802;1396042555;asciilifeform;but the key to the key 589803;1396042557;mircea_popescu;aha! BUT! 589804;1396042567;mircea_popescu;this already means you're using SOMETHING to remember your key, yes ? 589805;1396042580;asciilifeform;most people can remember enough key to make keeping some physical thing or other a reasonable proposition 589806;1396042599;asciilifeform;and, for things one can't remember (e.g. gold, disk of warez) one can remember a hiding place 589807;1396042614;asciilifeform;seems like a basic biological function 589808;1396042629;mircea_popescu;store btc as a service, if done right (like say bc.info used to do it) has its places. you go to trade some btc in ny central park, you take a blockchain url with you. 589809;1396042633;kasa32;<mircea_popescu> can you tell us more about the letter you received from US authorities? 589810;1396042660;mircea_popescu;kasa32 the whole thing's published, http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/ 589811;1396042684;kasa32;did they issue more veiled threats? 589812;1396042687;kasa32;since then 589813;1396042692;velacreations;mircea_popescu thanks, is there a way to reference their name just by clicking on it, or do I have to type it out every time? 589814;1396042709;asciilifeform;interestingly, it is quite feasible to memorize 4096 bits 589815;1396042711;mike_c;velacreations: tab-completion. 589816;1396042712;mircea_popescu;for instance right now to have it spit out velacreations i type out vel and hit tab 589817;1396042714;asciilifeform;just has to be done correctly 589818;1396042715;mircea_popescu;you need a client for it tho 589819;1396042718;asciilifeform;stage magicians do it all the time 589820;1396042736;asciilifeform;'mnemonists' 589821;1396042737;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wouldn't want it in my memory anyway. 589822;1396042750;velacreations;thanks guys 589823;1396042769;asciilifeform;when i was a student, i tried to work out a way to crank reasonably-heavy rsa mentally. 589824;1396042782;asciilifeform;a la Trachtenberg's arithmetic 589825;1396042807;mircea_popescu;i wonder if there actually exists an irc client w/o autocompletion 589826;1396042808;asciilifeform;(trachtenberg was a mathematically-inclined fellow who ended up in auschwitz) 589827;1396042824;tg2;Pi to 1k only takes a few days 589828;1396042851;kasa32;<mircea_popescu> are you afraid about US taking legal action? can they bring you to US to testify? 589829;1396042851;asciilifeform;'how i need a drink, alcoholic of course, after the heavy lectures involving quantum mechanics.' 589830;1396042854;tg2;and then repeat every 2x the previous time frame 589831;1396042869;asciilifeform;now everyone here will remember 15 digits, for life. 589832;1396042880;tg2;Sec can't do much out of the us 589833;1396042916;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07005 = 0.2802 BTC [-] {3} 589834;1396042920;kanzure;asciilifeform: yes i'm sure there's someone, somewhere, doing rsa in head 589835;1396042924;benkay;http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/28_havelock-freezes-neobee-trading-thickasthieves-steps-down-as-fund-manager.html 589836;1396042924;ozbot;Havelock Freezes NEOBEE Trading, ThickAsThieves Steps Down as Fund Manager 589837;1396042943;*;bounce basically never uses autocompletion. currently maybe not even bound to a key. 589838;1396042945;jurov;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21mgmt/havelock_investments_halts_trading_for_neo_bee/ here too 589839;1396042951;*;benkay goes back to building docker images 589840;1396042958;asciilifeform;mental rsa would be the ultimate in authentication. 589841;1396042966;asciilifeform;even if not for encipherment 589842;1396042978;mircea_popescu;kasa32 these are civil proceedings. 589843;1396042990;tg2;Well, as long as babikian is still hanging out without reprimand 589844;1396043001;benkay;jurov: a link to my post there would be neat 589845;1396043011;kanzure;benkay: do you use plover to build docker stuff 589846;1396043020;tg2;After frauding billions in penny stocks 589847;1396043040;benkay;;;google plover docker 589848;1396043040;tg2;I wouldn't be worried about SEC asking for info 589849;1396043040;gribble;Kohl's Plover, WI, 54467 - YP.com: <http://www.yellowpages.com/plover-wi/mip/kohls-7360235>; Kohl's Department Store - Plover WI 54467 | 715-344-0480 | Bed ...: <http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Kohls.Department.Store.715-344-0480>; pyvideo.org - PyCon US 2013: <http://pyvideo.org/category/33/pycon-us-2013> 589850;1396043051;bounce;rsa gets impractical quickly on paper, much less mentally. might look into that crypto by pack of cards thing though. 589851;1396043052;mircea_popescu;benkay if they're not dockers, they're just pants. 589852;1396043053;kanzure;benkay: plover is like veewee except less awful 589853;1396043060;kanzure;benkay: the box builder automation stuff 589854;1396043080;benkay;kanzure: link me? 589855;1396043081;asciilifeform;bounce: you'd want something like 'napier's bones' 589856;1396043082;kanzure;bounce: do you have a link for that? 589857;1396043094;kanzure;benkay: i dunno, http://mmckeen.net/blog/2013/12/27/advanced-docker-provisioning-with-packer/ 589858;1396043099;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20172 @ 0.00095324 = 19.2288 BTC [+] {2} 589859;1396043101;mircea_popescu;kanzure you the comedy central guy ? 589860;1396043109;benkay;kanzure: packer you mean 589861;1396043124;bounce;I'd have to dig 589862;1396043125;kanzure;mircea_popescu: huh? probably not. i don't know who you are referring to. 589863;1396043133;mircea_popescu;a bryan bishop fellow. 589864;1396043138;kanzure;benkay: that link is a good one for explaining it 589865;1396043140;asciilifeform;wait, bishop? 589866;1396043152;kanzure;mircea_popescu: interesting. there's a few people showing up with my name. i want them gone. 589867;1396043159;kanzure;mircea_popescu: there's also this person from theverge with my name.. sigh. 589868;1396043162;asciilifeform;kanzure: i think you used to work with a chum of mine from uni 589869;1396043167;mircea_popescu;well iirc this guy had some sort of cancer, so you might get your wish 589870;1396043168;benkay;kanzure: nope. clients don't need all that. 589871;1396043170;bounce;breaking mirrors is bad luck, don't you know 589872;1396043170;asciilifeform;kanzure: mike w. 589873;1396043177;kanzure;asciilifeform: nice, wittig? 589874;1396043182;asciilifeform;him! 589875;1396043183;asciilifeform;ol 589876;1396043184;asciilifeform;lol 589877;1396043184;mircea_popescu;lol 589878;1396043206;mircea_popescu;"come to -assets. only a coupla hundred people here, but you probably have friends in common" 589879;1396043208;kanzure;asciilifeform: that was a long time ago 589880;1396043213;kanzure;asciilifeform: 2008 589881;1396043214;asciilifeform;yeah 589882;1396043228;kanzure;asciilifeform: and they didn't put me on the paper anyway 589883;1396043294;asciilifeform;kanzure: chemical modelling? 589884;1396043344;bounce;oh right, "solitaire (cipher)", bruce schneier vehicle for the cryptonomicon 589885;1396043361;kanzure;asciilifeform: dna logic gate stuff 589886;1396043363;asciilifeform;kanzure: you still in that business? 589887;1396043378;kanzure;asciilifeform: i moved into non-academic garage biology stuff 589888;1396043401;asciilifeform;good move 589889;1396043429;mircea_popescu;gotta save that one for when anyone asks what's in my fridge. 589890;1396043429;kanzure;see ##hplusroadmap 589891;1396043436;kanzure;projects like http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/nucleic/fbi-diybio-dna-v1.pdf 589892;1396043534;asciilifeform;kanzure: neato. once worked with the 'abi 394' pictured on the 8th slide. 589893;1396043538;Duffer1;http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/swiss-labs-to-host-olympics-for-robot-assisted-athletes-in-2016/ 589894;1396043538;ozbot;Zurich 2016: First "Cybathlon" is fine with "technology doping" | Ars Technica 589895;1396043546;kanzure;asciilifeform: terrible piles of crap, aren't they? 589896;1396043550;asciilifeform;quite! 589897;1396043568;kanzure;there's no good reason these machines should cost so much 589898;1396043578;asciilifeform;the plexiglass one - how are you pumping? SAW resonator? 589899;1396043580;kanzure;if machine price goes down then synthesis costs can be tweaked 589900;1396043587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.0009549 = 10.8859 BTC [+] 589901;1396043589;kanzure;well that was an old presentation 589902;1396043594;kanzure;i've since determined that microfluidics is not the best way for now 589903;1396043615;kanzure;ideally you should limit the number of stupid-hard problems you are solving simultaneously.. 589904;1396043638;asciilifeform;how is microfluidics a hard problem? 589905;1396043656;kanzure;well to do dna synthesis on the scale that i want it, you need hundreds or thousands of microfluidic gates 589906;1396043669;kanzure;and then you need to bother with photolithography and all sorts of other issues 589907;1396043672;kasa32;<mircea_popescu> US has authority to arrest you and bring you to the US. They have done this before. Just check Liberty Reserve incident 589908;1396043677;asciilifeform;slide deck must be ancient. co2 laser for 10,000 ? 589909;1396043697;kanzure;hah 589910;1396043700;kasa32;<mircea_popescu> you may want to prepare yourself for that scenario 589911;1396043702;asciilifeform;1990s? 589912;1396043710;kanzure;that might have been for a new laser 589913;1396043721;asciilifeform;it's ~1k today 589914;1396043732;kanzure;it's entirely possible that i suck at sourcing 589915;1396043756;asciilifeform;the only way to get good at sourcing is to pay with one's lunch money 589916;1396043760;asciilifeform;teaches quickly. 589917;1396043770;kanzure;sure. yeah i'm done with grants/whatever. just use my own bucks. 589918;1396043776;kanzure;not worth my time 589919;1396043817;asciilifeform;much easier, but very similar problem - home ic fab 589920;1396043828;asciilifeform;i intend to get there. one day. 589921;1396043834;kanzure;right.. so some friends and i were putting together an idea for using lasers to build microfluidic chips. 589922;1396043845;kanzure;http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher/ 589923;1396043848;ozbot;laser etcher 589924;1396043848;asciilifeform;40w tube readily cuts glass 589925;1396043855;asciilifeform;cut channels, then fuse 589926;1396043864;kanzure;need about 10-50 micron channel widths 589927;1396043875;asciilifeform;not hard if you can get the beam sweet spot 589928;1396043886;kanzure;but again i think this approach is probably bad; why not just build a bigger version like the traditional machines 589929;1396043893;kanzure;and once it's working, start ripping away and downsizing 589930;1396043917;kanzure;there was this oligo arrayer open source project that did it for ~$20k 589931;1396043926;kanzure;http://bioinformatics.org/pogo/ 589932;1396043929;ozbot;The POSAM Inkjet Microarrayer 589933;1396044002;asciilifeform;one of the reasons why the 'DIY' bio instrumentation stuff is obscure is that ebay exists 589934;1396044015;asciilifeform;and very serviceable surplus tech can be had by anyone 589935;1396044027;asciilifeform;for pennies on the dollar 589936;1396044053;asciilifeform;it is interesting to see the 'market' price of various things vs. the 'we buy it with u.s. tax dollars' price 589937;1396044078;kanzure;last i looked the synthesizers bottom out on ebay at $400-$700 "maybe working" 589938;1396044102;asciilifeform;much easier to fix a dead merrifield or whatnot than build all of civilization from raw materials 589939;1396044103;kanzure;and ~$2k for "probably working" and $50k for "sorta new, or exactly new, except we know that nobody is building this crap anymore so we're not going to lie to you" 589940;1396044121;asciilifeform;granted, 'fix' sometimes involves tearing out the electronics 589941;1396044142;kanzure;do you know of any synthesizer manufacturers that still exist? i'm aware of the refurb shops 589942;1396044154;kanzure;ABI etc got swallowed up and cancelled their manufacturing 589943;1396044169;asciilifeform;i've been out of the business for some years, unfortunately. 589944;1396044178;kanzure;nah it's good to get out of that uh.. industry. 589945;1396044210;mircea_popescu;kasa32 you must have missed the part where i told you this is a civil matter. 589946;1396044228;Jezzz;.r 589947;1396044229;ozbot;Bitstamp | Buy: $500.00 589948;1396044229;ozbot;Coinbase | Buy: $503.41 589949;1396044230;kanzure;asciilifeform: so if you know mike then how do you know me 589950;1396044235;mircea_popescu;kanzure so what are you actually trying to make ? 589951;1396044245;asciilifeform;kanzure: he introduced me to some of your works. 589952;1396044254;asciilifeform;long ago. 589953;1396044255;kanzure;asciilifeform: what is he doing? 589954;1396044267;kanzure;mircea_popescu: trouble? mostly software at the moment https://github.com/kanzure 589955;1396044274;asciilifeform;kanzure: last i spoke with him, he burned out and became a programmer! 589956;1396044285;kanzure;oh good, yeah he was okay at that 589957;1396044289;asciilifeform;doing some sort of dreary web crap 589958;1396044294;kanzure;oh 589959;1396044295;asciilifeform;to eat. 589960;1396044311;kasa32;<mircea_popescu> civil matter? Kim Dotcom was civil matter also and US managed to get him arrested so... 589961;1396044315;mircea_popescu;kanzure no no, with the 10micron channels and other stupid hard problems 589962;1396044346;kanzure;mircea_popescu: i had a colleague on that project and he's still convinced that microfluidics is the way to go, so he's still working on that in portland 589963;1396044377;benkay;is he involved in the low-g stuff as well? 589964;1396044378;asciilifeform;kanzure: ever work with 'tecan corp.' xyz robot? 589965;1396044380;mircea_popescu;kasa32 you have many distinct categories all confused up here. 589966;1396044402;kanzure;asciilifeform: i've poked at tecan things. in particular i was playing with jcline's perl library for tecan control. 589967;1396044408;mircea_popescu;kanzure ok, but the way to go WHERE 589968;1396044412;kanzure;benkay: not that i know of 589969;1396044412;kasa32;<mircea_popescu> you mean cos of megauploads a legal entity? 589970;1396044420;kanzure;mircea_popescu: dna synthesis 589971;1396044425;asciilifeform;kanzure: i actually spent 2 yrs. writing a total replacement for the idiot software stack those things came with. 589972;1396044438;mircea_popescu;kasa32 i mean because there's no such thing as an arrest in civil proceedings, and i never heard of an arrested witness yet and so on and so forth. 589973;1396044447;mircea_popescu;kanzure ok but to make what ? 589974;1396044447;kanzure;asciilifeform: to sell back to tecan? 589975;1396044451;tg2;mircea_popescu: what is mpex's SEC analogue 589976;1396044464;asciilifeform;kanzure: tried to! even landed a conference with them. guess how it went. 589977;1396044465;mircea_popescu;tg2 exact analogue does not exist. 589978;1396044476;kanzure;mircea_popescu: all sorts of things. it's a basic requirement for conducting almost any interesting molecular biology project ever. 589979;1396044478;asciilifeform;kanzure: 'what do you mean it doesn't run on top of our winblows stack' 589980;1396044479;bounce;nor should it, probably 589981;1396044487;mircea_popescu;kanzure which is why i am trying to get a specific out of you. 589982;1396044492;tg2;You should create mpsec 589983;1396044499;mircea_popescu;bounce i guess not. 589984;1396044505;tg2;And issue requests for information to the SEC 589985;1396044506;tg2;Lol 589986;1396044507;kasa32;<mircea_popescu> yes but if you are called as a witness in a trial, they might bring you there by force 589987;1396044510;kanzure;mircea_popescu: i don't have a specific project in mind, and if i did, i would just buy the dna from a synthesis company. 589988;1396044514;mircea_popescu;tg2 i'd rather build organically on proved-to-work infrastructure developed in small steps 589989;1396044525;mircea_popescu;than go all out with idiocy that'll never work a la us congress. 589990;1396044525;kasa32;to testify 589991;1396044533;bounce;they're chasing an idea of "fairness" that's a poor fit to fiat, possibly worse for bitcoin 589992;1396044535;asciilifeform;kanzure: it's still theoretically for sale. number of takers: zero. 589993;1396044539;kanzure;asciilifeform: well, you could always sell it to someone else i guess 589994;1396044548;kanzure;asciilifeform: or open source it 589995;1396044555;asciilifeform;kanzure: mandatory spam: http://www.molboxllc.com/products.html 589996;1396044556;mircea_popescu;bounce i don't think that discussion is yet ripe. so far they've prosecuted one guy. 589997;1396044572;mircea_popescu;there's a thousand to go that i and anyone else with a shred of sanity left would readily agree are prosecutable 589998;1396044585;mircea_popescu;once done with that pile it may be sensible to examine wtf is what. 589999;1396044604;kanzure;asciilifeform: cool. let me bounce some ideas around in my head. i might be aware of some opportunities (nobody that would want to outright buy this, but.. stuff that is happening.) 590000;1396044607;asciilifeform;kanzure: what's interesting is that virtually everyone who owns one of those machines has a grad student wretch supervising it's stumblings in perso 590001;1396044609;asciilifeform;n 590002;1396044612;bounce;possibly. there's also them being wilfully ignorant, even impotent, in eg. the flash crash thing 590003;1396044634;kanzure;asciilifeform: do you know the transcriptic.com people? 590004;1396044634;mircea_popescu;bounce the curse of regulators, in all times and places, is that they can't afford to hire the sort of brainpower they need. 590005;1396044639;asciilifeform;kanzure: nope 590006;1396044645;mircea_popescu;which is why mpex is really such manna from heavens. 590007;1396044647;kasa32;<mircea_popescu> they can also charge you of conspiring to help US citizens avoid taxes and such and whatever charges or charge you with money laundry 590008;1396044667;kasa32;it's not like they haven't done this before 590009;1396044672;mircea_popescu;kasa32 are we trying to write a block buster movie script here ? 590010;1396044687;asciilifeform;amazing how $300K machine comes with visual basic turd that often physically destroys the enclosure when the thing boots (carriages get sent to the axis limits, because $300K apparently doesn't buy you limit switches...) 590011;1396044687;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 590012;1396044700;kasa32;I'm just saying you need to be careful and prepare yourself 590013;1396044704;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just add a bit of plastic foam!!! 590014;1396044709;kasa32;it might happen 590015;1396044717;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you know the story of the irradiation accidents with medical equipment cause of this problem ? 590016;1396044724;mircea_popescu;(comp took out some plastic stoppers to save on costs) 590017;1396044725;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'therac-25' 590018;1396044728;mircea_popescu;aye 590019;1396044736;bounce;well, though this is a dangerous suggestion, might look at some sort of theoretical underpinning of why regulating, with what overarching goal if you will. I don't really see them do more than plug holes that may or may not exist 590020;1396044737;kasa32;take all precautions and such 590021;1396044738;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in our case it was a gurl holding a fist over 'big red button' 590022;1396044746;asciilifeform;rather than foam 590023;1396044754;mircea_popescu;kasa32 your sentiment is appreciated, but had you heard of me before last week ? 590024;1396044760;kanzure;asciilifeform: so did you reverse engineer the tecan protocol or did you just buy their sdk or what? 590025;1396044766;asciilifeform;reversed 100%. 590026;1396044770;kanzure;ok 590027;1396044772;bounce;though an environment where a lot of what's being done in fiat is flat out impossible is a good dampener already 590028;1396044790;asciilifeform;and all of the other instruments that were to be used with the damn thing 590029;1396044790;mircea_popescu;bounce a lot more thought will have to be poured into those things 590030;1396044807;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6932 @ 0.00095519 = 6.6214 BTC [+] {2} 590031;1396044807;asciilifeform;idea was to get rid of the wretches hand-carrying samples to/from instruments 590032;1396044812;asciilifeform;because wtf is the point of a robot then 590033;1396044813;mircea_popescu;kanzure clearly stan has too much time on his hands. 590034;1396044824;asciilifeform;had. 590035;1396044825;bounce;by people with suitable detachment as ooposed to the usual driven to do good type 590036;1396044826;kanzure;you're talking to the guy who reverse engineered pokemon red and crystal 590037;1396044827;mircea_popescu;had. 590038;1396044832;kanzure;so.. if anything, don't talk to me about time. 590039;1396044833;bounce;s/oop/opp/ 590040;1396044870;mircea_popescu;bounce in general it's been my experiences that only committees that include at least one asshole yield anything usable. 590041;1396044882;asciilifeform;kanzure: in my spam flick, you can see the bugger stuff a plate in a non-bot-enabled plate reader 590042;1396044883;asciilifeform;etc 590043;1396044883;bounce;heh 590044;1396044887;kanzure;"oh a few hundred thousand lines of terrible, shitty z80 asm? why of course i'll reverse engineer that!" https://github.com/kanzure/pokecrystal 590045;1396044892;benkay;without assholes on the committee, how can you even know the members are human? 590046;1396044896;bounce;you've been training for that, haven't you? 590047;1396044902;kanzure;without assholes, how would you know we're human? 590048;1396044919;benkay;no asshole, not human. 590049;1396044929;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+] 590050;1396044930;bounce;apropos therac-25, that was that thing that only pooped out cryptic numbers to be looked up into large books of errors? 590051;1396044934;mircea_popescu;"I was born like this, I had no choice. I was born with the gift of a golden voice" 590052;1396044953;asciilifeform;now i just reverse shit to eat. 590053;1396044960;mircea_popescu;bounce one of many but yes 590054;1396044978;asciilifeform;'you are what you pretend to be, so be careful what you pretend to be.' 590055;1396045012;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if that worked bitcoin would be full of ceos, venture capitalists and other peaks of intellectual achievement. 590056;1396045013;kanzure;asciilifeform: every time venter announces another $40M genome i just laugh 590057;1396045016;bounce;in a way the habitually ignored overly verbose blatter found in intrusive popups on desktops today is the other extreme... with the same effect 590058;1396045022;kasa32;<mircea_popescu> I've seen some tweets about the letter you received 590059;1396045023;bounce;s/tt/th/ 590060;1396045045;asciilifeform;funny how my father actually spent a good deal of life doing the same (reversing western consumer junk for the soviet market) 590061;1396045051;kanzure;asciilifeform: if i had to pay $40M for every completely custom genome, pfft 590062;1396045067;kanzure;asciilifeform: are you the p90 guy 590063;1396045070;andyfletcher;looks like the pdf was wrong in the SEC assertion that handing over the data wasn't against EU data protection regs. MEMO/13/923 and MEMO/14/60 which were approved by the EU Parliament on 2014/03/14 refer to 'all natural persons'. Not just EU citizens. 590064;1396045074;asciilifeform;p90? 590065;1396045075;mircea_popescu;kasa32 yeah. well... i've been here preparing things for many years so far. 590066;1396045077;Apocalyptic;kanzure, heh, you remind me of a dude 590067;1396045077;bounce;kanzure, just buy some gm corn in the nearest supermarket 590068;1396045082;Apocalyptic;that RE some Wii games 590069;1396045089;kanzure;nope i haven't touched wii yet 590070;1396045097;asciilifeform;;;google p90 590071;1396045098;gribble;FN P90 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90>; Power 90 Workout—Power 90 Reviews—Get Fast Results with ...: <http://www.beachbody.com/product/fitness_programs/power90.do>; FNH USA - Distinct Advantage :: FN P90® Series: <http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/tactical/p90-series/> 590072;1396045099;kanzure;asciilifeform: private-eye wearable heads up something 590073;1396045106;Apocalyptic;http://delroth.net/ 590074;1396045107;ozbot;delroth.net - delroth's website 590075;1396045117;mircea_popescu;andyfletcher you don't say. 590076;1396045119;asciilifeform;i have an ancient page about it, yes 590077;1396045129;kanzure;asciilifeform: oh, then mike told me about you 590078;1396045129;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/eye.html 590079;1396045129;ozbot;Parallel Port Interface to the Private Eye P4 Head-Mounted Display 590080;1396045140;Apocalyptic;kanzure, how much time you spent on it ? 590081;1396045146;kanzure;Apocalyptic: wii? none whatsoever 590082;1396045146;stompysteve;whats going on with neobee i just got online 590083;1396045147;andyfletcher;mircea_popescu, yup. It is on Europa http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-14-186_en.htm 590084;1396045154;Apocalyptic;on the pokemon crystal 590085;1396045155;mircea_popescu;andyfletcher let's try something simpler : http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/#footnote_1_53360 590086;1396045161;kanzure;Apocalyptic: way too much time man 590087;1396045167;mircea_popescu;they can't even comply with the actual fed regulations on document handling. 590088;1396045169;kanzure;Apocalyptic: pokemon red is "done"- it compiles without baserom.gbc 590089;1396045181;mircea_popescu;which... you know. 590090;1396045189;kanzure;asciilifeform: my roommate was building this, http://fennetic.net/irc/cyberfenn/hplus_proposal/ 590091;1396045221;asciilifeform;kanzure: we're still just as far from a 'human price' svga ocular as we were in 1990. 590092;1396045223;kanzure;asciilifeform: (this was a few years ago, so no glass comments etc) 590093;1396045229;Apocalyptic;<kanzure> Apocalyptic: way too much time man // i bet, was looking for something quantitative 590094;1396045232;asciilifeform;'glass' is barely vga. 590095;1396045248;kanzure;Apocalyptic: at least 100 hours 590096;1396045258;Apocalyptic;that's not much 590097;1396045262;kanzure;i guess not, no 590098;1396045268;kanzure;but the upper bound is probably 2000 590099;1396045269;mircea_popescu;andyfletcher anyway, you should get a cookie for being the first commentator of the matter to have spotted it. somehow the press covered it extensively but failed to notice stuff like that. 590100;1396045290;mircea_popescu;perhaps because the press isn't very well equipped to report these days. 590101;1396045305;asciilifeform;the electromechanical piece of junk features in my link is, funnily, still far ahead of what you can buy now 590102;1396045317;asciilifeform;if you want an ocular for something other than viewing porn on airplanes 590103;1396045335;andyfletcher;/me is happy to wave a finger in the direction of the SEC and say "Not allowed" 590104;1396045339;asciilifeform;razor-sharp monochrome, with square pixels 590105;1396045355;mircea_popescu;who the fuck wants to view porn on airplanes. so you get yourself all good and ready and then what ? ask the stewardess to draw the curtain and the girls to drop the tops ? 590106;1396045360;asciilifeform;(the 'movie'-grade displays have staggered rgb, like the cheap camera viewfinders which... they are) 590107;1396045365;asciilifeform;lol 590108;1396045366;kanzure;mircea_popescu: it's the principle 590109;1396045386;jborkl;Neo bee halted for abnormal trading activity 590110;1396045392;joecool;old news 590111;1396045395;mircea_popescu;jborkl scroll up honey :p 590112;1396045418;mircea_popescu;kanzure what principle is that ? 590113;1396045422;jborkl;Ah 590114;1396045430;kanzure;personal computing? 590115;1396045438;mircea_popescu;i thought porn something. 590116;1396045438;kanzure;asciilifeform: maybe interesting to you http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq/news/ 590117;1396045453;mike_c;asciilifeform: new oculus is 960x1080 per eye. that beats svga :) 590118;1396045466;asciilifeform;square pixel grid? 590119;1396045472;asciilifeform;because if not, go and try reading text 590120;1396045477;kanzure;oculus is the wrong form factor anyway 590121;1396045486;asciilifeform;back we go, to the days of microcomputing with tv sets 590122;1396045500;asciilifeform;and who wants to wear a helmet 590123;1396045504;mircea_popescu;weren't such bad days, those. 590124;1396045507;kanzure;asciilifeform: so why is everyone such a fuckup with making these? 590125;1396045513;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/chaos-battle-of-the-wizards/ 590126;1396045514;ozbot;Chaos - Battle of the Wizards pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 590127;1396045521;asciilifeform;kanzure: lockheed corp. et al make fine ones. $50K+ 590128;1396045525;asciilifeform;so, patent trolls. 590129;1396045540;mike_c;well, i assume not square pixels since there's a lens right in front of your eye. 590130;1396045553;decimation;That 'therac-25' incident is interesting, thanks for the tip. If you are making a 'firmware interlock' for a radiation machine, I would think you would at least make it in TTL or on an FPGA or something. 590131;1396045553;mircea_popescu;mike_c he knows what he's asking. you can't really read on the things 590132;1396045553;kanzure;asciilifeform: does yours still work? 590133;1396045558;asciilifeform;square in the sense of not being staggered rows (optimized for film) 590134;1396045560;asciilifeform;yes it works 590135;1396045568;kanzure;decimation: i think that was before fpgas were on the market 590136;1396045579;decimation;find, cpld 590137;1396045579;mircea_popescu;decimation or not take out the 0.01 cent plastic stoppers 590138;1396045603;decimation;I bet some mba management directed that 590139;1396045612;decimation;"how can we shape the bottom line today?" 590140;1396045622;mike_c;ah. don't know whether the rows are staggered. i didn't know there were displays like that. 590141;1396045639;asciilifeform;if there was any kind of demand for an svga ocular, the chinese would piss on the patents and we'd have them. 590142;1396045662;asciilifeform;naggum's binders. 590143;1396045662;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3071492123502329@naggum.no.html 590144;1396045663;ozbot;Re: creation of lisp machine/lispOS - Naggum cll archive 590145;1396045671;mike_c;who wants to read in VR anyway? 590146;1396045675;decimation;I find that 'modern' cameras with giant LCD's are universally worse than the old-fashioned viewfinders with baffles 590147;1396045679;mircea_popescu;me 590148;1396045688;mircea_popescu;for instance, i'd like a measurement overlay. 590149;1396045692;asciilifeform;me. 590150;1396045699;asciilifeform;but not 100M wankers. 590151;1396045701;asciilifeform;not yet. 590152;1396045723;mike_c;well, overlays would be more of a see-through augmentation thing, not a closed off VR experience, no? 590153;1396045729;mircea_popescu;decimation the insulting part is they're dropping the optical viewfinder ;/ 590154;1396045736;asciilifeform;think of what a terrific waste a non-ocular display is, for a fellow working alone 590155;1396045748;mircea_popescu;mike_c maybe 590156;1396045748;asciilifeform;my lcds are soaking up ~200W 590157;1396045756;benkay;http://asolitarycomfort.tumblr.com/image/68242483909 590158;1396045756;ozbot;: Photo 590159;1396045757;asciilifeform;all so i can have a few emacsen going 590160;1396045765;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o, i got kw here. 590161;1396045778;mircea_popescu;fuck it. i'd use a megawatt. what's energy for ? 590162;1396045781;mike_c;this is bitcoin, we don't care about wasting electricity. 590163;1396045783;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57 = 1.14 BTC [-] 590164;1396045785;mircea_popescu;^ 590165;1396045786;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu and his room of Trinitrons 590166;1396045797;mircea_popescu;i save on heat! 590167;1396045801;asciilifeform;personally i'm less concerned with wattage than space 590168;1396045808;asciilifeform;living in a flat 590169;1396045809;mircea_popescu;so move out of the sticks. 590170;1396045823;mircea_popescu;do you know what 5k sq feet of floor space + garages cost in a SANE PART of the world ? 590171;1396045833;kanzure;no? 590172;1396045835;decimation;I think a competent driver with a good measurement overlay coupled with a radar/laser rangefinder would be more safe in a variety of conditions 590173;1396045840;asciilifeform;i can guess 590174;1396045844;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00095436 = 11.9295 BTC [-] {2} 590175;1396045844;decimation;especially if FLIR were available 590176;1396045845;mircea_popescu;about the same you pay for a speeding ticket. 590177;1396045853;kanzure;can you give me another analogy 590178;1396045857;mircea_popescu;decimation absolutely. 590179;1396045858;kanzure;i've never paid for a speeding ticket 590180;1396045863;mircea_popescu;good laser you can drive in fog. 590181;1396045872;decimation;that's clearly an application for high resolution optic viewers 590182;1396045873;mircea_popescu;kanzure stop sucking and go get a speeding ticket. 590183;1396045878;kanzure;mircea_popescu: yeah, i should 590184;1396045898;decimation;ideally you have car-mounted sensors without any blockage from the columns in the vehicle 590185;1396045908;mircea_popescu;decimation obviously, lasers in the lights. 590186;1396045961;mircea_popescu;actually... you don't really need oculars for this 590187;1396045969;mircea_popescu;you could make a decent window. 590188;1396045981;mircea_popescu;this i think is a start-up idea right here, sell window + sensor kids for the aftermarket. 590189;1396046008;pankkake;I want sensor kids 590190;1396046010;mircea_popescu;people would be all over your shit. 100mn of them too, because nothing gets a guy off quite like having the girl that's about to give him a blowjob think he's batman 590191;1396046010;kanzure;sensor kids 590192;1396046016;mircea_popescu;kits omg 590193;1396046022;decimation;I think the angle here is that the "my startup life" folks in california want to jump directly to full automation. Why not mine the more easily achievable sensor augmentation market? 590194;1396046035;mircea_popescu;decimation what do they know. 590195;1396046058;mircea_popescu;someone get elon musk in here lol. 590196;1396046079;benkay;subject of more easily achievable sensor markets, check out the new client 590197;1396046082;benkay;http://smartvineyards.net 590198;1396046090;Musk;mircea_popescu, he's busy with exploding Tesla's 590199;1396046110;decimation;maybe we can wrap everyone in a titanium shell so they don't experience hardship in life 590200;1396046123;Musk;decimation, ah! 590201;1396046125;mircea_popescu;Musk well, imagine how cool it'd be if the front window'd show the explosion parameters in futura font 590202;1396046142;mircea_popescu;just as you're flying through teh clouds 590203;1396046306;mircea_popescu;what the... did i lose interwebs or did everyone somehow inexplicably shut up for two minutes 590204;1396046313;mircea_popescu;i'm calling 911. 590205;1396046328;decimation;reading reviews of people who work at SpaceX, it's obvious the business model is "milk underpaid labor from engineers who like "space" on facebook" 590206;1396046333;Musk;well the Neo fud seems over for now.. :3 590207;1396046359;mircea_popescu;decimation not a bad model. 590208;1396046373;mircea_popescu;dairy revolution ensured the supremacy of europe. milking is big, man. 590209;1396046394;Musk;Farmenomics ? 590210;1396046407;decimation;I think there was a discussion on this channel awhile back about the national security implications of cowgut in WWI Germany 590211;1396046426;mike_c;decimation: not necessarily a bad deal for the engineers. lot to be said for liking what you work on. 590212;1396046451;mircea_popescu;milking AND liking 590213;1396046469;decimation;I'm told that most cows line up to be milked 590214;1396046477;mircea_popescu;they do. mastitis is deadly. 590215;1396046482;mircea_popescu;and painful. 590216;1396046522;decimation;Perhaps this is also related to the "beetle man" attitude 590217;1396046655;mircea_popescu;o look at that. elon musk was not here. 590218;1396046665;mircea_popescu;i mean, not elon musk was here 590219;1396046774;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=530091.0 << this is the poll to end all polls 590220;1396046775;ozbot;Would you send money or bitcoins to MtGox when it re-opens? (poll) 590221;1396046781;mircea_popescu;Question:Would you send money or bitcoins to MtGox when it re-opens? (Voting closed: March 27, 2014, 03:11:32 PM) Yes 34 (43%) 590222;1396046781;mircea_popescu;No 45 (57%) 590223;1396046781;mircea_popescu; 590224;1396046781;mircea_popescu;Total Voters: 79 590225;1396046793;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^ enjoy baby. 590226;1396046868;decimation;so are these the deer that walk up to the hunter and kneel down? 590227;1396046890;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=537527.msg5956966#msg5956966 dank is back. 590228;1396046892;ozbot;Looking for investment of ~2500 BTC for music festival, return = ~150,000 BTC 590229;1396046903;mircea_popescu;decimation no, these are "the community". according to themselves. 590230;1396046914;copumpkin;o.O 590231;1396046918;ThickAsThieves;what is it with people trying to connect all things they dont like to MPEx? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5958430#msg5958430 590232;1396046920;pankkake;"p.s: notice name of the seller "btcapples". A notorious spammer troll connected to Mpex. " 590233;1396046923;pankkake;that guy… 590234;1396046926;copumpkin;150k btc return sounds like a good deal! 590235;1396046926;ThickAsThieves;i beat you! 590236;1396046930;copumpkin;ozbot: sign me up! 590237;1396046943;copumpkin;>_> 590238;1396046945;pankkake;lol 590239;1396046963;copumpkin;then I can finally be richer than mircea_popescu 590240;1396046968;copumpkin;it's always been a goal of mine 590241;1396046969;decimation;apparently there is sufficient fuel remaining to re-open the gox chumpatron 590242;1396046975;mircea_popescu;btcapples ?! who's that ? 590243;1396046996;mircea_popescu;between crumbs, btcapples and a pankkake we can make OUR OWN PIES 590244;1396047008;pankkake;:D 590245;1396047039;ThickAsThieves;btcapples seems to be the only guy to ever conduct a forum-based sale of NEOBEE shares through the LMB platform 590246;1396047043;mircea_popescu;copumpkin well if you organise a btc festival that nets 150k coins you'll definitely end up with more stds than i ever had. 590247;1396047050;copumpkin;:D 590248;1396047070;mircea_popescu;"Also, he tried to sell these(whoevers') shares under false pretense. I believe it was financial hardship?" 590249;1396047075;mircea_popescu;was it actually not his shares ? 590250;1396047094;ThickAsThieves;i dont know whether he's one of the people suspected 590251;1396047099;ThickAsThieves;but he's got my attention now 590252;1396047105;copumpkin;okay, can someone pump up S.MPOE to 1 btc each? 590253;1396047108;copumpkin;thanks 590254;1396047138;mircea_popescu;"People think that anything goes on the internet, but if Neobee was a legit stock under the jurisdiction of the SEC, all the FUD spreaders on the internet would be locked up VERY QUICKLY for the crap they have been pulling recently." 590255;1396047140;benkay;!t m s.mpoe 590256;1396047141;assbot;[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00092844 / 0.00093843 / 0.00095634 (1640418 shares, 1,539.42 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094382 / 0.00095875 (6432706 shares, 6,071.32 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.0008648 / 0.00096 (31129876 shares, 26,921.16 BTC) 590257;1396047151;ThickAsThieves;... 590258;1396047154;pankkake;the amount of shares was pretty small… no one should care really 590259;1396047165;ThickAsThieves;that poster has never seen pinksheet forums 590260;1396047169;benkay;Phildo lol great name 590261;1396047174;mircea_popescu;sec definitely spends its time reading yahoo finance boards o.I 590262;1396047186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57 = 1.71 BTC [-] 590263;1396047205;benkay;;;google jonathan lebed 590264;1396047206;gribble;Jonathan Lebed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Lebed>; Lebed.biz |: <http://lebed.biz/>; Pump And Dump - CBS News: <http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pump-and-dump/> 590265;1396047207;mircea_popescu;so basically the shill brigade is arguing this theory whereby indefinite suspensions are a good thing. 590266;1396047221;mircea_popescu;why are they even involved in this for the love of christ. 590267;1396047223;benkay;mircea_popescu: not only do they read yahoo boards, they also go after 15 yo's 590268;1396047245;ThickAsThieves;the psychology of the forum needs its own study 590269;1396047252;ThickAsThieves;it's amazine really 590270;1396047257;ThickAsThieves;amazing 590271;1396047257;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 590272;1396047258;ThickAsThieves;! 590273;1396047261;psterryl;ThickAsThieves: " i dont know whether he's one of the people suspected" 590274;1396047265;psterryl;Suspected of what? 590275;1396047279;ThickAsThieves;did you not see the statement? 590276;1396047285;pankkake;isn't it basically stockholm syndrome? 590277;1396047296;mircea_popescu;JERRY: I don't even want to talk about it anymore. What were you thinking? What was going on in your mind? Artistic integrity? Where, where did you come up with that? You're not artistic and you have no integrity. You know you really need some help. A regular psychiatrist couldn't even help you. You need to go to like Vienna or something. You know what I mean? You need to get involved at the University level. Like wher 590278;1396047296;mircea_popescu;e Freud studied and have all those people looking at you and checking up on you. That's the kind of help you need. Not the once a week for eighty bucks. No. You need a team. A team of psychiatrists working round the clock thinking about you, having conferences, observing you, like the way they did with the Elephant Man. That's what I'm talking about because that's the only way you're going to get better. 590279;1396047315;psterryl;yeah im just wondering what constitutes "suspicious trading activity" 590280;1396047345;pankkake;maybe I should create an exchange where you can only trade if trade.value > lasttrade.value 590281;1396047348;pankkake;they would love it 590282;1396047349;mircea_popescu;psterryl http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014#589549 is my theory. 590283;1396047362;mircea_popescu;pankkake isn't that basically the bitcoin gem "idea" ? 590284;1396047374;mike_c;pankkake: that is havelock.. see RENT, see NEOBEE, see .. 590285;1396047384;ThickAsThieves;psterryl, i dont think i have an answer in that regard 590286;1396047386;benkay;psterryl: http://www.themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/but-it-was-aliens.jpg 590287;1396047387;mircea_popescu;mike_c rent got suspended too ?! 590288;1396047391;mike_c;not suspended 590289;1396047397;mike_c;referring to new ipo at higher than market price 590290;1396047419;benkay;o but haven't you heard mike_c the market price is now near the next "i"plol price! 590291;1396047423;benkay;!t h rent 590292;1396047423;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600002 / 0.00683184 / 0.00750000 (1556 shares, 10.63033884 BTC), 7D: 0.00525000 / 0.00590396 / 0.00750000 (5321 shares, 31.41496367 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00560668 / 0.00900001 (49033 shares, 274.91242278 BTC) 590293;1396047429;benkay;!l h rent 590294;1396047429;assbot;Last trade for RENT on HAVELOCK was at 0.00749997 BTC [+] 590295;1396047433;mircea_popescu;mike_c there's a different problem there : if they ipo'd at same price as before they'd have a fiat dilution on their hands. 590296;1396047435;benkay;seeeeee? 590297;1396047458;mircea_popescu;and i fucking need to stop calling subsequent offerings "ipos" 590298;1396047458;mike_c;this terminology. you can only ipo once! that's why they call it "initial" 590299;1396047465;mircea_popescu;one day people will be quoting this shit and laughing at me. 590300;1396047474;mike_c;inb4 590301;1396047474;ThickAsThieves;SPOs 590302;1396047480;mircea_popescu;spos, srsly. 590303;1396047484;psterryl;ThickAsThieves no worries, hopefully LMB put out a statement at some point 590304;1396047546;pankkake;3PO 590305;1396047552;ThickAsThieves;i like it 590306;1396047554;ThickAsThieves;2PO 590307;1396047555;benkay;reduxpo 590308;1396047556;mircea_popescu;3DO ! 590309;1396047556;ThickAsThieves;3PO 590310;1396047560;ThickAsThieves;4PO 590311;1396047570;mircea_popescu;iam12andwhatisthispo 590312;1396047573;ThickAsThieves;IPO2.0 590313;1396047579;benkay;can gravity po? 590314;1396047579;mike_c;benkay: maybe it's like an acquisition rumor. why not buy all the lower priced shares if you know it's going to be forced to 75. 590315;1396047595;ThickAsThieves;that doesnt really work out here 590316;1396047605;ThickAsThieves;you presume people will buy at 75 590317;1396047613;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26950 @ 0.00094868 = 25.5669 BTC [-] {3} 590318;1396047618;ThickAsThieves;kinda unlikely, no? 590319;1396047619;benkay;past shareholders aren't going to be allowed to sell at that price, mike_c 590320;1396047620;mike_c;i don't presume that at all. but it's either that, or a complete scam. 590321;1396047626;mircea_popescu;i still don't understand the merger idea too well, tbh. 590322;1396047635;mike_c;a random 50% pop after this new PO is announced.. 590323;1396047636;ThickAsThieves;megrer? 590324;1396047640;benkay;newpo 590325;1396047643;benkay;poopyo 590326;1396047647;ThickAsThieves;alpo 590327;1396047650;mircea_popescu;rent guy was going to get some north carolina similar service 590328;1396047666;mike_c;yeah, we discussed. read the logs already ;) 590329;1396047682;ThickAsThieves;the20year2, take it from, just stop 590330;1396047685;ThickAsThieves;me* 590331;1396047690;benkay;could just be buying leads, although where capital's going to come to develop them is anyone's guess-JUST KIDDING HAVELOCK 590332;1396047692;mircea_popescu;they're not even contiguous ;/ 590333;1396047699;mircea_popescu;mike_c no i read them. 590334;1396047720;mike_c;oh right, you explained to him that a business that just needs capital has no competitive advantages. 590335;1396047732;mircea_popescu;it's more complicated than that. 590336;1396047747;mircea_popescu;but anyway, in his case, maintaining offices in two states, he's setting himself up for the bomb 590337;1396047753;mircea_popescu;even if everything else had worked! 590338;1396047759;mircea_popescu;where's that brilliant men link ? 590339;1396047769;mike_c;he's not maintaining offices. just providing capital to that other company. 590340;1396047777;mike_c;it's basically a loan. 590341;1396047785;mircea_popescu;http://taoyue.com/stacks/articles/brilliant-men.html 590342;1396047786;ozbot;From the Stacks: Why I Never Hire Brilliant Men | TaoYue.com 590343;1396047827;jurov;for certain values of brilliant 590344;1396047840;mircea_popescu;worth a read. 590345;1396048242;decimation;I read it as: "I hire only those with high conscientiousness and low neuroticism" 590346;1396048374;mircea_popescu;not a bad read 590347;1396048407;mircea_popescu;neurosis correlates with intelligence about to the same effects rot correlates with wood. 590348;1396048467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07299493 = 0.146 BTC [+] 590349;1396048468;decimation;the problem is that actually accomplishing this would be racist 590350;1396048481;mircea_popescu;how would it be racist ?! 590351;1396048489;mircea_popescu;you mean, it'd mostly exclude white people ? 590352;1396048499;decimation;behavior and personality is highly heritable 590353;1396048514;decimation;certain groups, probably 590354;1396048532;mircea_popescu;race != some random group. 590355;1396048610;skinnkavaj;Whats happening with NEOBEE? 590356;1396048613;skinnkavaj;I have not been around 590357;1396048621;decimation;the point is, any test that would be given to an applicant to attempt to detect his or her conscientiousness would be illeagal, like IQ tests are (in the US) 590358;1396048648;mike_c;lots of blue-collar jobs give personality tests before hiring 590359;1396048678;decimation;yeah and google gives what amount to IQ tests 590360;1396048690;decimation;which put them at risk of a civil-rights lawsuit 590361;1396048773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00095278 = 10.4329 BTC [+] 590362;1396048807;skinnkavaj;Seems like a great time to buy NEOBEE 590363;1396048811;skinnkavaj;Or am I missing something here? 590364;1396048826;skinnkavaj;pankkake you know 590365;1396048842;mike_c;just one of many things you are missing is that no one can buy. 590366;1396048856;skinnkavaj;I know that 590367;1396048859;skinnkavaj;But when it opens up 590368;1396048864;skinnkavaj;And why is it closed in the first place 590369;1396048876;mike_c;you don't know, yet it is a great time to buy. 590370;1396048880;pankkake;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014#589429 590371;1396048884;mircea_popescu;decimation iq tests are illegal in the us ?! 590372;1396048886;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 590373;1396048892;skinnkavaj;mike_c: I like to buy on others fear 590374;1396048927;mircea_popescu;skinnkavaj so buy some lehman. 590375;1396048962;skinnkavaj;pankkake: Thanks sir 590376;1396048976;skinnkavaj;Lol 590377;1396048981;skinnkavaj;There is a conspiracy on bitcointalk 590378;1396048991;skinnkavaj;That pankkake and mircea_popescu you are the same person 590379;1396049029;skinnkavaj;SOmething must have happened on NEOBEE 590380;1396049033;skinnkavaj;Question is what 590381;1396049043;mircea_popescu;weren't they supposed to at some point release a report ? 590382;1396049069;pankkake;I was on a forum where we had this ongoing conspiracy that there really were 2-3 users on the forum and everyone else was sockpuppets 590383;1396049082;pankkake;but that was for fun, mostly 590384;1396049114;skinnkavaj;mircea_popescu: Are you in bed with MPOE-PR or have I misunderstood that? 590385;1396049130;mircea_popescu;im sittin' on a chair. 590386;1396049134;decimation;oh yeah, "iq tests" are illeagal, or at least they can form the basis of a civil rights lawsuit. http://vdare.com/articles/professor-gates-officer-crowley-president-obama-and-the-new-york-fire-department 590387;1396049164;skinnkavaj;So boring when MPOE-PR on the same thread post the same link all over again, instead of debating 590388;1396049205;mircea_popescu;decimation you know it's "illegal" 590389;1396049206;decimation;the United States alleges that defendant City of New York's use of two written examinations on a pass-fail basis, as well as its rank-order processing of applicants, in the screening and selection of applicants for appointment to the rank of entry-level firefighter, has resulted in disparate impact upon black and Hispanic applicants, is not "job related for the position in question and consistent with business necessity" and does not otherwise 590390;1396049207;decimation;meet the requirements of Title VII. 590391;1396049241;skinnkavaj;pankkake: Do you have any investment in any security I check out? 590392;1396049247;mircea_popescu;yes but a) the city of new york is a public corp and b) firemen and generally blue collar workers are hardly what we were thinking about 590393;1396049249;skinnkavaj;Feels like its so boring nowadays 590394;1396049254;skinnkavaj;Nothing good to invest in 590395;1396049258;skinnkavaj;Before it was a lot more 590396;1396049265;skinnkavaj;And yet bitcoin is much bigger now 590397;1396049266;pankkake;I have nothing, I took my losses from havelock just because fuck it 590398;1396049267;mircea_popescu;yeah, all very good stuff 590399;1396049268;skinnkavaj;So should be more securities 590400;1396049294;decimation;well, a private corp would open themselves up to civil suits 590401;1396049308;decimation;I'm surprised this hasn't happened with silicon valley already 590402;1396049322;skinnkavaj;pankkake: On NEOBEE or what did you have there? 590403;1396049338;pankkake;on everything, I got out of neobee a while ago 590404;1396049393;skinnkavaj;I am opening a new altcoin exchange for Litecoinlocal, before I was determined that we should have fee shares and take fees on the trading 590405;1396049400;skinnkavaj;Now I have decided to offer it for free 590406;1396049402;skinnkavaj;With no fees 590407;1396049409;skinnkavaj;And no shares 590408;1396049484;skinnkavaj;I am gonna make money by offering a really simple dice game on every altcoin traded 590409;1396049495;skinnkavaj;I wounder how Huobi makes money though 590410;1396049499;skinnkavaj;Must be expensive to deposit there 590411;1396049517;skinnkavaj;Or high withdrawal fees 590412;1396049548;skinnkavaj;It's kinda fun with zero fees, to really see how much your code and server can handle in terms of total trades per second 590413;1396049595;skinnkavaj;mircea_popescu: I have never understood how MPOE works, but anyway the questionn goes how many trades can you handle per second right now? 590414;1396050043;skinnkavaj;pankkake: Progamming anything right now? 590415;1396050051;pankkake;maybe 590416;1396050055;skinnkavaj;Tell me 590417;1396050271;mircea_popescu;many. 590418;1396050284;skinnkavaj;mircea_popescu: Boring answer really.. 590419;1396050303;mircea_popescu;anyone saw cul de sac ? an older polanski film. 590420;1396050328;mircea_popescu;Donald Pleasence is quite good in it. 590421;1396050393;benkay;skinnkavaj: not much. no more trades on havelock, ThickAsThieves no longer running the 'fund'. 590422;1396050402;benkay;see: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/28_havelock-freezes-neobee-trading-thickasthieves-steps-down-as-fund-manager.html 590423;1396050419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0444 = 0.222 BTC [+] 590424;1396050437;benkay;so how about this: www.coindesk.com/isle-man-welcomes-digital-currency-exchanges-license-required/ 590425;1396050480;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.056399 = 0.1692 BTC [+] 590426;1396050493;benkay;bezzle -> crypto may yet fly 590427;1396050512;skinnkavaj;benkay: Didn't TAT quit managing it long time ago? 590428;1396050518;skinnkavaj;Or maybe it was asicminer 590429;1396050526;benkay;am 590430;1396050541;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0564 = 0.1128 BTC [+] {2} 590431;1396050542;skinnkavaj;If he quit asicminer 590432;1396050545;mircea_popescu;"confirmed that a bitcoin exchange that holds client funds with a licensed overseas payment service provider is not required to obtain a licence in the country for its activities." 590433;1396050552;skinnkavaj;Maybe he quit also NEOBEE for the same reason 590434;1396050559;mircea_popescu;sounds like the average coindesk article. 590435;1396050561;skinnkavaj;I guess he thought it was too much work 590436;1396050585;benkay;don't really think it was the work of the thing, skinnkavaj. 590437;1396050594;mircea_popescu;benkay you know i like reading your blog 590438;1396050598;benkay;he'd have said something along those lines when the forum showed up and put him through the wringer 590439;1396050600;mircea_popescu;but the viewport is too wide by now. 590440;1396050602;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10131 @ 0.00094546 = 9.5785 BTC [-] {2} 590441;1396050602;benkay;say it ain't so, mircea_popescu 590442;1396050609;skinnkavaj;benkay: Do you have any reason to believe it was not that reason? 590443;1396050615;mircea_popescu;skinnkavaj didja read the log ? 590444;1396050619;skinnkavaj;Not the full 590445;1396050621;skinnkavaj;Please inform me 590446;1396050626;benkay;please pay me 590447;1396050627;skinnkavaj;I have not catched up with it yet 590448;1396050641;skinnkavaj;benkay: For what gtfo 590449;1396050642;benkay;at least tell me i'm pretty 590450;1396050651;skinnkavaj;Well I can stretch to that 590451;1396050670;mircea_popescu;benkay you've not asked too many people, btw. as best i can tell they're neither a giant scam trying to run witrh a ton of btc, nor a legitimate business. 590452;1396050702;benkay;what's your read, mircea_popescu? 590453;1396050711;mircea_popescu;they're an outfit run by an incompetent if vain kid that drank the kool aid. they got some btc together, made some media buys and... that's it. 590454;1396050725;mircea_popescu;very dot-com ish really, but history is only useful to the literate. 590455;1396050734;skinnkavaj;mircea_popescu: But the original prospectus was really well thought thru 590456;1396050749;skinnkavaj;He did have a good business plan 590457;1396050754;skinnkavaj;Or else so many wouldnt invest with him 590458;1396050756;mircea_popescu;skinnkavaj ever pick up a chick that looked good at the disco only to get scared in the morning ? 590459;1396050758;benkay;skinnkavaj: are you referring to the part where they claimed they'd be able to protect cypriots from haircuts? 590460;1396050761;skinnkavaj;And I dont think much BTC business is "legal" 590461;1396050772;skinnkavaj;In fact not many business at all 590462;1396050775;skinnkavaj;Not even fiat business 590463;1396050778;skinnkavaj;Apple is still breaking the law.. 590464;1396050795;mircea_popescu;you're skidding all over the place. 590465;1396050800;benkay;US law, which is not law any more by dint of outlawing the un-out-law-able. 590466;1396050827;benkay;US tax law which has put itself into the voluntary donation zone? 590467;1396050918;skinnkavaj;benkay: US tax law was put into voluntary donation zone when Bitcoin was first launched in 2009 590468;1396050943;skinnkavaj;By technical reasons 590469;1396050961;benkay;sure 590470;1396050979;benkay;USG is slowly aligning themselves with reality on the ground 590471;1396051007;skinnkavaj;mircea_popescu: Is MPOE a registred company in US or why did SEC contact you? 590472;1396051049;mircea_popescu;i imagine they contacted me because they wanted to talk. 590473;1396051053;mircea_popescu;what silly q is that. 590474;1396051115;skinnkavaj;Erik Vorhees was smart 590475;1396051120;skinnkavaj;Fake selling SD to himself 590476;1396051127;dexX7;proof? 590477;1396051135;skinnkavaj;"Anonymous investor" 590478;1396051145;dexX7;who did pay the shareholders then? 590479;1396051148;skinnkavaj;It's obvious when you think about it 590480;1396051156;skinnkavaj;Himself from everything he earned 590481;1396051163;skinnkavaj;He have a lot of BTC 590482;1396051169;dexX7;(i don't know how much that was) 590483;1396051216;dexX7;why do you think this was smart? 590484;1396051242;skinnkavaj;So he would not get into trouble and can still operate SD 590485;1396051315;skinnkavaj;I believe we will see more fake sells since it's the best option to clear your name, while still holding on to that money making machine 590486;1396051329;skinnkavaj;Which is your baby, as an entreprenour 590487;1396051389;mircea_popescu;this is pretty much nonsense. 590488;1396051398;mircea_popescu;why not enjoy the credibility of a well run asset ? 590489;1396051416;skinnkavaj;mircea_popescu: Because of legal problems obviously 590490;1396051441;mircea_popescu;i dun see what you're talking about, "obviously". 590491;1396051442;benkay;;;tslb 590492;1396051445;gribble;Time since last block: 7 minutes and 27 seconds 590493;1396051483;skinnkavaj;mircea_popescu: So you think SD is a legal service? 590494;1396051504;benkay;legal where, skinnkavaj ? 590495;1396051512;skinnkavaj;In any country of the world 590496;1396051526;mircea_popescu;dude seriously, stop. 590497;1396051536;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as a "legal service". there's illegal stuff, and then there's the rest. 590498;1396051541;mircea_popescu;there's no "any country in the world" 590499;1396051550;mircea_popescu;you don't even know how many countries there are, in the world. 590500;1396051566;skinnkavaj;mircea_popescu: Is this your strategy in the future? 590501;1396051574;skinnkavaj;I wish you good luck, I honestly do 590502;1396051578;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07249972 = 0.145 BTC [-] {2} 590503;1396051583;mircea_popescu;yes, my strategy in the future is to continue to point out obvious nonsense coming my way. 590504;1396051610;mircea_popescu;who knows, maybe it somehow ends up cutting down on the general nonsense 590505;1396051761;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16349 @ 0.00094303 = 15.4176 BTC [-] 590506;1396051785;skinnkavaj;mircea_popescu: We live in a corrupt world you should know that 590507;1396051806;mircea_popescu;so ? 590508;1396051837;skinnkavaj;SD is not legal and neither is MPOE, but I love the fact that you are not agreeing with me on that 590509;1396051853;mircea_popescu;eh your face is not legal. 590510;1396051883;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00094107 = 17.2216 BTC [-] {3} 590511;1396051914;CheckDavid;Lulz 590512;1396051939;skinnkavaj;mircea_popescu: http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/6219520-the-50th-law 590513;1396051945;CheckDavid;I heard mpoe was the most legal of exchanges 590514;1396052005;assbot;[MPEX] [S.BBET] 1750 @ 0.0005 = 0.875 BTC [-] 590515;1396052175;TestingUnoDosTre;mircea , is bitbet.us legal in every planet in the Milky Way? 590516;1396052238;skinnkavaj;TestingUnoDosTre: Leave him alone now I think he understood my point and I like his intentions 590517;1396052250;dexX7;intentions? 590518;1396052279;TestingUnoDosTre;his evil intergalactic intentions 590519;1396052432;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 85 @ 0.06926507 = 5.8875 BTC [-] {13} 590520;1396052433;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00093954 = 7.7512 BTC [-] 590521;1396052542;mircea_popescu;the most legal illegal exchange run by an asshole with good intentions 590522;1396052559;CheckDavid;Lol 590523;1396052560;mircea_popescu;someone write the book so 50cent can make a song about the movie based on it 590524;1396052569;mircea_popescu;then we can quote its wisdom 590525;1396052603;CheckDavid;How illegal is mpoe? 590526;1396052610;dexX7;let's ipo the idea 590527;1396052633;mircea_popescu;s'il egal. 590528;1396052741;benkay;ill egalitarian. 590529;1396052799;skinnkavaj;mircea_popescu: Try listen for one minute in a clip from this audio book http://open.spotify.com/track/1ydFN3EK0bhqlzjT1cRKxR 590530;1396052818;benkay;o lookit that spotify lets you sign up with email again 590531;1396052830;benkay;guess zuck won that one in the short term and lost it in the long term 590532;1396052850;benkay;http://pagesix.com/2011/10/14/facebook-feud-outside-club/ 590533;1396052851;ozbot;Facebook feud outside club | Page Six 590534;1396053130;mircea_popescu;skinnkavaj learning to read spoiled me for audiobooks. 590535;1396053150;TestingUnoDosTre;is that seriously a 50 cent produced audiobook? 590536;1396053363;mircea_popescu;"Go search deep for code (for sale) for online gambling sites. 590537;1396053363;mircea_popescu;The most expensive code packages for gambling sites have the most deceit and advanced algorithms to rip-off the gambling fool and protect the investment of the operator. The very best ones you'll never find for sale, however. These algorithms always sit on top of whatever "edge" the operator decides to take (the "edge" is the part of the tilted table some sites even openly advertise nowadays). 590538;1396053380;mircea_popescu;there's nothing better than a good conspiraci theorist. 590539;1396053439;mircea_popescu;bitcoin invented fair gambling, bitbet is a parimutuel implementation, anon forum derp comes to harp about how deceitful "sites" are. 590540;1396053473;mircea_popescu;i imagine these people followed hercules around augeas' stables complaining about all the mess he's making. 590541;1396053598;dirt_;amazing 590542;1396053598;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 590543;1396053718;Mats_cd03;hue hue 590544;1396053817;ThickAsThieves;"Edmund Moy, the former director of the U.S. Mint who’s become an outspoken proponent of digital currencies, saw a mix of good and bad as well, but ultimately he made two cogent points: first, that this is is a rule, not a law, and there’s a difference, and, two, that it can be changed as circumstances warrant." 590545;1396053830;ThickAsThieves;what is the exact difference between an IRS rule and a law? 590546;1396053970;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves that i get to laugh at you poor sods moar ? 590547;1396053990;ThickAsThieves;but but 590548;1396053992;ThickAsThieves;halp 590549;1396054001;mircea_popescu;lol 590550;1396054018;mircea_popescu;a rule you can have overturned by arguing more things before the supreme court than if it were a law. 590551;1396054028;mircea_popescu;because congress does have legislative discretion, but agencies do not. 590552;1396054044;mircea_popescu;we're talking a decade and a hundred million in either case. 590553;1396054053;mike_c;most of the IRS code is law, but not the btc part. http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/code.htm 590554;1396054059;ThickAsThieves;so you must break the rule to even attempt to learn it's definition? 590555;1396054067;ThickAsThieves;its* 590556;1396054079;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00093954 = 8.268 BTC [-] 590557;1396054090;ThickAsThieves;or at least "test" its definition 590558;1396054094;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves no, you don't have to break it to sue. 590559;1396054131;ThickAsThieves;is there some argument to what is allowed to be taxed at all, and bitcoin not fitting that spectrum? 590560;1396054179;mircea_popescu;no, because the us does not recognise allodial title. 590561;1396054183;mircea_popescu;anything can be taxed. 590562;1396054188;ThickAsThieves;like isnt there an underlying premise for taxes being that, for example you cant profit from a shipping company without roads, and taxes pay for roads, therefor you must pay them 590563;1396054206;mircea_popescu;no. 590564;1396054210;ThickAsThieves;the USG neither provides for, nor maintains, nor creates bitocin 590565;1396054215;ThickAsThieves;something seems off 590566;1396054222;mircea_popescu;that bullcrap is entirely irrelevant to the discussion. 590567;1396054231;ThickAsThieves;ok 590568;1396054264;mircea_popescu;it's roughly the coating in the pill, various people sprout it because you know, the slavegirl that aesthetically loves her collar isn't really as much of a slavegirl or something. 590569;1396054269;ThickAsThieves;do you have an argument against the IRS rulings or you think they are sensible? 590570;1396054276;mircea_popescu;but taxes have exactly zero to do with roads. 590571;1396054302;mircea_popescu;the irs can tax anything the fuck it pleases. the reaction to taxation you dislike is leaving the jurisdiction, not arguing the point. 590572;1396054323;mike_c;even then you can't escape. you have to give up citizenship. 590573;1396054331;mircea_popescu;so give up citizenship. 590574;1396054365;mircea_popescu;(course iirc, you're not allowed to do so unless you prove it's specifically NOT because you dislike the taxation system. quite the racked your owner got going there.) 590575;1396054382;mike_c;and there's a fee :) 590576;1396054387;ThickAsThieves;heh 590577;1396054396;ThickAsThieves;surely a small price to pay 590578;1396054409;mircea_popescu;you can't imagine, on a more personal note, how fucking outlandish this is to me. 590579;1396054425;ThickAsThieves;do tell 590580;1396054443;mircea_popescu;if someone told me twenty years ago i will live to honestly pity the fate of the poor us citizens i'd have laughed for the rest of the day. 590581;1396054472;mircea_popescu;and i'm not even fucking old! i'm sitting here and im thinking... holy shit now THAT must suck. what a curse to be born with. 590582;1396054525;mike_c;could be worse. china is worse. 590583;1396054536;mircea_popescu;i do not believe china is currently worse. 590584;1396054540;mircea_popescu;korea is worse. 590585;1396054563;mike_c;foxconn has more suicides than jpmorgan. 590586;1396054568;Duffer1;the breathable parts of china sound nice 590587;1396054628;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0564 = 0.1692 BTC [+] 590588;1396054685;dexX7;foxconn has about 1000x more worker than jpmorgan 590589;1396054710;benkay;girl is out of town for the weekend. this means..... 590590;1396054713;benkay;BREAKFAST FOR DINNER 590591;1396054714;benkay;http://imgur.com/vTtb2mf 590592;1396054715;ozbot;imgur: the simple image sharer 590593;1396054722;Mats_cd03;i was in guangzhou a year ago 590594;1396054749;dexX7;did you like it? 590595;1396054750;benkay;mostly because i've forgotten how to cook since this one started doing it for me 590596;1396054766;Mats_cd03;i saw a few dozen dead pigs floating down a river as i was driving out of the province 590597;1396054778;nubbins`;i made homemade pasta sauce and meatballs last night 590598;1396054783;nubbins`;it was amazing, so spicy ;0 590599;1396054783;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 590600;1396054787;Mats_cd03;soured me on the experience 590601;1396054794;nubbins`;yes, the company was amazing too 590602;1396054794;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 590603;1396054800;nubbins`;yes, simply amazing 590604;1396054800;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 590605;1396054802;nubbins`;yes. 590606;1396054811;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06892001 = 0.6892 BTC [-] {4} 590607;1396054812;mircea_popescu;benkay you gotta learn to cook, this is embarassing. 590608;1396054816;nubbins`;^ 590609;1396054823;TestingUnoDosTre;easy there assbot 590610;1396054844;Mats_cd03;were the meatballs homemade 590611;1396054872;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla could assy perhaps only say amazing once an hour or something ? 590612;1396054872;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 590613;1396054883;mircea_popescu;i got a reputation to amazingly protect here. 590614;1396054883;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 590615;1396054886;Mats_cd03;lol 590616;1396054907;amazing;hi 590617;1396054908;benkay;mircea_popescu: i know how to cook! 590618;1396054924;benkay;amazing popescu 590619;1396054924;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 590620;1396054929;mircea_popescu;benkay you don't and i can tell just by looking at that poor excuse of a plate. 590621;1396054935;benkay;gtfo 590622;1396054939;benkay;i hand fried those potatoes 590623;1396054942;Mats_cd03;anyway like i was saying, i think some farmer had bought bad feed for his pigs and accidentally poisoned them 590624;1396054955;mircea_popescu;i have a lot more experience with noob cook chicks than you imagine my friend. 590625;1396054959;mircea_popescu;that's lashable cooking. 590626;1396054963;kakobrekla;mircea_popescu isnt it easier to just limit nubbins` ? 590627;1396054964;benkay;what's wrong with my plate?! 590628;1396054974;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla but he's so small! 590629;1396054974;Mats_cd03;and whos going to dig a proper hole for all of those bodies? thats fucking laborious 590630;1396054985;Mats_cd03;so he put them on the back of a pickup and then dropped them off somewhere upstream 590631;1396054985;mircea_popescu;benkay it looks like someone who can't cook made it. 590632;1396055008;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 either that or there was a pig geyser sprout on the river bed. 590633;1396055027;benkay;bah you and your aesthetics 590634;1396055029;benkay;viewport this 590635;1396055035;benkay;arrangement of nutritive items that 590636;1396055037;mircea_popescu;tis not a matter of aesthetics. 590637;1396055053;mircea_popescu;tis a matter of i can tell if the carpenter is a noob by whether his "chair" is fucking level. 590638;1396055058;nubbins`;Mats_cd03 yes, the meatballs were homemade 590639;1396055070;benkay;oooooooh 590640;1396055075;Mats_cd03;id eat your homemade meatballs, nubbins` 590641;1396055094;Mats_cd03;... wink 590642;1396055094;mircea_popescu;homeball his mademeats too 590643;1396055097;nubbins`;kakobrekla you can't hold me down! 590644;1396055107;mircea_popescu;ok, honesty time : 590645;1396055119;mircea_popescu;i always thought nubbins are the little bumps around the nipple on an aroused areola. 590646;1396055134;Mats_cd03;i have those 590647;1396055142;mircea_popescu;stop ruining it for me. 590648;1396055147;Mats_cd03;sorry 590649;1396055148;benkay;me too. 590650;1396055152;mike_c;benkay: eggs are overcooked. that yolk's gotta run. 590651;1396055156;mircea_popescu;you're too young to have areolae. 590652;1396055165;benkay;ya well, the plate was in the oven keeping the bacon warm 590653;1396055172;benkay;i did fuck the yolks up. 590654;1396055177;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0444 = 0.1332 BTC [-] 590655;1396055178;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06887978 = 0.3444 BTC [-] {2} 590656;1396055179;mircea_popescu;he thinks he can cute :D so adowable! 590657;1396055191;mircea_popescu;s/cute/cooke 590658;1396055198;benkay;keep going 590659;1396055207;benkay;alright fine you got me 590660;1396055207;mike_c;the potatoes look raw 590661;1396055209;Mats_cd03;horrible cooking dude 590662;1396055210;benkay;i'm an engineer 590663;1396055216;*;benkay throws up his hands 590664;1396055219;mircea_popescu;are you a c0k engineer ? 590665;1396055225;mircea_popescu;i mean c00k 590666;1396055234;Mats_cd03;its impressive you havent accidentally poisoned yourself yet 590667;1396055235;benkay;coke, but you know 590668;1396055248;mike_c;Mats_cd03: he hasn't eaten it yet :) 590669;1396055252;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 well if he ends up in east river... 590670;1396055266;kakobrekla;by the looks of it its deliberate 590671;1396055275;mircea_popescu;benkay gf comes home from her trip, finds dead pigglet, hauls him to pickup truck 590672;1396055279;mircea_popescu;(they have a pickup in ny!) 590673;1396055291;benkay;i love you guys too. 590674;1396055354;benkay;sad truth is i'm fishing for a second housekeeper cum cock sucker 590675;1396055363;benkay;i guess the assettes don't deliver? 590676;1396055372;benkay;mo i'm going to poison myself 590677;1396055387;mircea_popescu;well then your cum'd be poisonous. 590678;1396055393;benkay;i don't know the difference between brotein and carboderprates 590679;1396055403;mircea_popescu;hahaha 590680;1396055415;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: earlier thing: 'griggs vs. duke power co.' 590681;1396055421;asciilifeform;;;google griggs vs duke power co. 590682;1396055422;gribble;Griggs v. Duke Power Co. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.>; Landmark: Griggs v. Duke Power Co. | NAACP LDF: <http://www.naacpldf.org/case/griggs-v-duke-power-co>; Griggs v. Duke Power Company | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago ...: <http://www.oyez.org/cases/1970-1979/1970/1970_124> 590683;1396055432;moiety;sup benkay? 590684;1396055438;benkay;girl left 590685;1396055440;benkay;i can't cook 590686;1396055442;benkay;halp 590687;1396055447;moiety;i entirely passed out earlier D: 590688;1396055453;moiety;oh jesus 590689;1396055455;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah but that's ability to perform the job, you know ? 590690;1396055458;moiety;do you have a toaster 590691;1396055477;benkay;no toasters are convenience tools of the devil 590692;1396055488;benkay;also i live in murka and have to compromise on counterspace 590693;1396055491;mircea_popescu;moiety> do you have a toaster <<< ahaha fucken epic. 590694;1396055508;mircea_popescu;benkay "halp halp i need to cook" moiety, always motherly, starts small. "toaster ?" 590695;1396055524;benkay;this isn't funny mircea_popescu i'm going to die 590696;1396055529;moiety;prexactly - convenience. i think toasters are good because they have a timer, you cant burn the house down. please buy one 590697;1396055531;mircea_popescu;death is kinda funny... 590698;1396055559;benkay;yeah normally i'm into snuff too but today it's meeeee 590699;1396055568;mircea_popescu;so wait! benkay was shooting for two girls but in the end his one had enough and now he's... mancooking ? 590700;1396055577;mircea_popescu;o this is cartoon worthy 590701;1396055582;benkay;I'M MANSPLAINING THE KITCHEN TO MYSELF 590702;1396055596;moiety;wait, you mean properly left? not just away for the weekend? 590703;1396055609;benkay;no its just for the weekend 590704;1396055617;tg2;Shiiit, ltcponzi 500 ltc in 40 minutes :/ 590705;1396055619;benkay;WAIT NO HALP 590706;1396055625;benkay;MOTHERLY INSTINCTS ENGAGE 590707;1396055629;moiety;oh i was gonna say you need to get a microwave too 590708;1396055633;mircea_popescu;moiety so far he thinks it's temporary. 590709;1396055641;Mats_cd03;benkay: http://www.cookingforengineers.com/recipe/305/Honey-Pecan-Pralines how2cookthings 590710;1396055645;tg2;Fack 590711;1396055649;tg2;Gotta start going this lol 590712;1396055649;benkay;Mats_cd03: that has sugar in it 590713;1396055663;Mats_cd03;are you diabetic 590714;1396055675;benkay;i will be if i cook myself goddamn pralines all the time 590715;1396055675;mircea_popescu;"how to become diabetic in three easy steps" 590716;1396055684;benkay;bake? 590717;1396055690;benkay;does one cook or bake pralines? 590718;1396055690;Mats_cd03;it was mostly the website and not the link, but i do love me some pralines 590719;1396055695;mircea_popescu;bake, bitch an' gargle 590720;1396055706;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re: griggs: this was one of those cases that ended in creating a 'talmudic wall' (as the hassid jews call this situation) 590721;1396055707;Mats_cd03;is baking 590722;1396055717;benkay;fuck baking 590723;1396055717;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so it was. 590724;1396055727;asciilifeform;not until recently did anyone dare to give even vaguely intellectual puzzles to potential hires 590725;1396055730;benkay;so much time 590726;1396055737;Mats_cd03;youll live longer if you eat baked goods 590727;1396055740;asciilifeform;because of the 'disparate impact' (actual legal term) standard established by griggs 590728;1396055747;asciilifeform;(ianal!) 590729;1396055753;Mats_cd03;(over range-top cooking of meats) 590730;1396055769;Mats_cd03;me, i'm trying to live forever 590731;1396055775;qwebirc471694;fact: bears eat beets 590732;1396055780;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and of course it is, as always, based on the commerce clause. 590733;1396055789;benkay;eh, forever's overrated 590734;1396055799;mircea_popescu;one almost dares hope that a wholesale repeal of commerce clause jurisprudence may fix teh us 590735;1396055799;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as is virtually everything done by usg post-fdr 590736;1396055818;asciilifeform;that's like hoping for a cancellation of ckkpss. oh wait. 590737;1396055820;benkay;mircea_popescu: never going to happen. 590738;1396055823;moiety;ok so benkay do you have any little hard yellow shaped things in the kitchen that look like this? http://siciliangirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Fusilli_pasta.jpg 590739;1396055823;benkay;haw 590740;1396055829;moiety;:P 590741;1396055837;benkay;there are hard things in the kitchen for sure 590742;1396055840;benkay;dunno bout past 590743;1396055841;benkay;pasta 590744;1396055843;moiety;qwebirc471694: excellent fact 590745;1396055864;mircea_popescu;benkay gimme the heavenly forge for a week, it'll happen. 590746;1396055875;qwebirc471694;ahhh I'm losing my name 590747;1396055876;mircea_popescu;hm, am i the only one that knows what the heavenly forge is ? 590748;1396055878;moiety;benkay, this is worse than i thought. just phone a pizza for now 590749;1396055926;Mats_cd03;i looked it up on google and the second link was 'fanfiction.net' 590750;1396055935;benkay;mircea_popescu: what are you on about 590751;1396055935;TestingUnoDosTre;there we go 590752;1396055938;mircea_popescu;the heavenly forge is this quill 590753;1396055939;kakobrekla;order a pizza and put in a toaster 590754;1396055944;Mats_cd03;so the heavenly forge is definitely fan fiction right? 590755;1396055945;mircea_popescu;and whatever it writes, is the future. 590756;1396055953;moiety;kakobrekla: you are a man too huh 590757;1396055956;mike_c;lol kako. i agree. 590758;1396055957;benkay;can i get a pizza with bacon on it? 590759;1396055959;mircea_popescu;;;google "nor all your piety nor wit" 590760;1396055959;gribble;Edward FitzGerald (poet) - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Edward_FitzGerald_(poet)>; The Moving Finger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moving_Finger>; Omar Khayyám - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khayy%C3%A1m> 590761;1396055971;asciilifeform;aha that one 590762;1396055974;moiety;benkay from dominos, yep 590763;1396055975;asciilifeform;everyone in usa knows that one 590764;1396055978;asciilifeform;because of clinton 590765;1396055980;mircea_popescu;please redirect all things which are bacon to benkay 590766;1396055981;kakobrekla;moiety i did came through didnt it. 590767;1396055986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol 590768;1396055991;asciilifeform;it's true! 590769;1396056030;benkay;i don't need all the bacon sheesh that'd be greedy now 590770;1396056031;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2964 @ 0.00093954 = 2.7848 BTC [-] 590771;1396056033;*;moiety nods at kakobrekla - just a wee bit 590772;1396056042;mircea_popescu;benkay trade it for sum bitches 590773;1396056047;mircea_popescu;dem bitches looooove that bacon 590774;1396056049;TestingUnoDosTre;didn't we have some bacon ritz yesterday? 590775;1396056056;cazalla;should i register a gpg key in addition to bitcoin address for wot or is a bitcoin address enough? 590776;1396056056;asciilifeform;'the moving finger writes, and having writ...' 590777;1396056056;moiety;men: toasters, youredoinitwrong 590778;1396056058;benkay;ah yes squirtable bacon 590779;1396056075;benkay;"come here baby let me squirt some bacon on you. mircea popescu said bitches love bacon." 590780;1396056089;moiety;cazalla: more other way around, key>address 590781;1396056104;Mats_cd03;http://www.perfectfry.com/products/spinfresh/ centrifugal deep fat fryer for that delicious crisp layer of chicken... 590782;1396056104;ozbot;SPINFRESH Automatic Fryer - Perfect Fry Company 590783;1396056121;cazalla;moiety: thanks, time to learn this gpg stuff i guess 590784;1396056127;mircea_popescu;cazalla both work 590785;1396056146;moiety;cazalla: use BingoBoingo's guide. best way, one sec 590786;1396056156;benkay;cazalla you don't need to put bitcoin address into wot 590787;1396056165;benkay;in fact, might not be a great idea 590788;1396056177;benkay;addrs and identities are two separate extremes on the spectrum 590789;1396056185;benkay;addrs disposable 590790;1396056190;benkay;identities inso 590791;1396056192;mircea_popescu;you can change them anyway. 590792;1396056202;mircea_popescu;log in with either, update the other as needed. 590793;1396056214;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00094071 = 8.4194 BTC [+] 590794;1396056214;benkay;naw 590795;1396056221;benkay;gpg for comms, btc for $$$ 590796;1396056227;TestingUnoDosTre;which one was the BingoBoingo guide? 590797;1396056234;benkay;;;google drinking record gpg 590798;1396056234;gribble;PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/> 590799;1396056263;moiety;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/ 590800;1396056264;ozbot;PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog 590801;1396056272;moiety;see lol i slow 590802;1396056282;benkay;we'll larn you yet 590803;1396056317;moiety;got distracted saving tabs... ironically to speed up browser 590804;1396056363;moiety;couldn't you have a couple of people using an address though? 590805;1396056405;benkay;moiety! 590806;1396056452;mircea_popescu;it's not a bed. 590807;1396056482;moiety;if i just missed something glaringly obvious, forgive me, i did just wake up. I've shared an address before, is all 590808;1396056485;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/3f682dcd8f4949c2fe5e445c3fec309b/tumblr_mku8c5CGgv1r7s4ouo1_1280.jpg 590809;1396056488;mircea_popescu;anyone know the car brand ? 590810;1396056499;benkay;trabamborghini 590811;1396056500;asciilifeform;moiety: this'd be more like sharing toothbrush. 590812;1396056505;mircea_popescu;moiety how've you shared an address, ye hussy! 590813;1396056554;moiety;benkay the badge is right there! citroen 590814;1396056572;moiety;and for the site. me + dev had access 590815;1396056602;mircea_popescu;well it's not really how they're supposed to work. 590816;1396056605;mircea_popescu;so don't do that. 590817;1396056610;mircea_popescu;make two or w/e. 590818;1396056633;mircea_popescu;and wd on the citroen! it may be a trabamborghini, but it's the french trabamborghini. 590819;1396056658;asciilifeform;trabazerati. 590820;1396056675;moiety;thats fair enough, i was just at that point having everything done for me 590821;1396056706;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you're going there, trapzderati 590822;1396056726;asciilifeform;lol 590823;1396056735;moiety;citroens arent very good though 590824;1396056745;mircea_popescu;better than vauxhalls. 590825;1396056752;moiety;very true 590826;1396056774;moiety;also, citroen>renault if we are keeping to french 590827;1396056803;moiety;everything over vauxhall (unless its a ford) 590828;1396056979;benkay;moiety: you might be the first person with a good reason to implement m of n signing 590829;1396057000;benkay;lol doge m of n 590830;1396057092;moiety;i don't personally doge, well i mined 41 to learn the process. such wealth. 590831;1396057129;benkay;are there any alts which one can mine with a cpu and at least get a few? 590832;1396057155;benkay;dage i gather, but does that still hold true? 590833;1396057181;moiety;plenty, in the beginning at least, all the galters are cpu poolers too 590834;1396057183;benkay;maybe the infinitely inflating currencies live on in the processors of cpus and gpus 590835;1396057195;benkay;as their value decreases, so does hashpower from professionals applied against them. 590836;1396057207;benkay;haha 590837;1396057346;moiety;are scrypt asics a thing yet? 590838;1396057413;benkay;tg2: ^^ 590839;1396057425;PObro;kncMiner has some scrypt miners for Q2/Q3 this year. 590840;1396057476;PObro;w 590841;1396057507;tg2;Gridseeds are out already 590842;1396057523;tg2;knc is gonna kill it though 590843;1396057555;cads;moiety: at least one company I've seen are claiming to be shipping a scrypt asic 590844;1396057594;benkay;have a good evening, everyone! 590845;1396057641;tg2;I hope scrypt responds poorly to Asic difficulty hike 590846;1396057652;cads;though I thought the memory requirements of scrypt is what made it inefficient to try to solve with an asic. 590847;1396057663;tg2;Less efficient 590848;1396057671;tg2;still 50x more than gpu lol 590849;1396057679;cads;gotcha 590850;1396057692;tg2;Vs 1000x more with sha256 asics 590851;1396057698;moiety;cads: great, a bfl v2?! 590852;1396057715;cads;bfl? 590853;1396057723;tg2;vertcoin is the only hope for no-asic and I'm sure it will happen 590854;1396057737;tg2;Their implementation is dumb 590855;1396057747;moiety;Big Fucking Liars aka Butterfly Labs 590856;1396057759;tg2;Knc is legit though 590857;1396057762;cads;has no researcher investigated mixed hash approaches? 590858;1396057776;tg2;Cads, look into x11 cpins 590859;1396057784;tg2;Coins* namely darkcoin 590860;1396057800;asciilifeform;why this mega-interest in coins optimized for botnet mining? 590861;1396057807;tg2;Lol 590862;1396057814;jborkl;Wtf is going on in here 590863;1396057827;tg2;Cause botters dos exchanges to make $ 590864;1396057828;cads;lol, x11's site begins "With professional Scrypt mining hardware on the way it is time to look for the best alternative hashing solution that will keep crypto currency within reach of everyone." 590865;1396057842;asciilifeform;'cpu optimized' == 'botnet optimized' 590866;1396057846;asciilifeform;what part of this is a secret 590867;1396057851;cads;asciilifeform: nice 590868;1396057856;cads;I hadn't thought that 590869;1396057861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00093923 = 18.5968 BTC [-] {2} 590870;1396057862;tg2;Even gpu is swarm friendly 590871;1396057866;cads;right 590872;1396057884;tg2;35% of systems have discrete gpu 590873;1396057887;tg2;Including phones 590874;1396057892;cads;because kids/manchildren with hefty gaming gpus 590875;1396057900;mircea_popescu;actually, as a purely academic point, does anyone know a hash that is genuinely cpu-favourable ? 590876;1396057904;asciilifeform;heterogeneity of gpu makes the bot artist's job tricky 590877;1396057915;mircea_popescu;none of this ram ostrich bs 590878;1396057922;cads;asciilifeform: I would use haskell 590879;1396057923;moiety;americans: do you have a gov site dedicated to people records? 590880;1396057941;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cpu-friendly vs. what? 590881;1396057948;mircea_popescu;moiety no, they don't have central government. 590882;1396057960;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform basically, a huge lot of control instructions somehow 590883;1396057964;asciilifeform;easy. 590884;1396057967;asciilifeform;here's a simple one 590885;1396057969;cads;god it would be so great to find out these guys actually use next generation compiler tech to specialize their viruses to the hardware :) 590886;1396057983;asciilifeform;encode payload as bits on a grid, and run cellular automaton 590887;1396057987;asciilifeform;e.g. langton's ant 590888;1396057987;*;cads hates not knowing what's going on in the criminal sector of computer science 590889;1396057989;mircea_popescu;o yeah 590890;1396057990;asciilifeform;or 'life' 590891;1396057996;moiety;ty mircea_popescu 590892;1396057997;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly, graph anything. good point 590893;1396058015;mircea_popescu;would it hold as a hash tho 590894;1396058017;asciilifeform;say, 1e8-th state is the hash. 590895;1396058026;asciilifeform;or rather, a conventional cryptographic hash thereof 590896;1396058030;asciilifeform;(of the grid bits) 590897;1396058031;mircea_popescu;a right 590898;1396058035;mircea_popescu;no good reason not to chain them 590899;1396058051;asciilifeform;to make it 'asic-hostile', demand an outlandishly large grid. 590900;1396058054;mircea_popescu;then again, at least for life there are purely math algos 590901;1396058072;asciilifeform;there's exactly one - 'hashlife' 590902;1396058081;mircea_popescu;well a bunch of derivations but ok 590903;1396058105;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/hl/hl.html 590904;1396058121;cads;asciilifeform: is hashlife hard or surprisingly easy to understand? 590905;1396058129;asciilifeform;surprisingly easy 590906;1396058136;asciilifeform;langton's ant is a bit more interesting 590907;1396058140;asciilifeform;in that the answer is very compact 590908;1396058144;mircea_popescu;it's not hard. 590909;1396058145;asciilifeform;the ant always ends up 'building a road' 590910;1396058156;asciilifeform;the output of the 'hash' can be 'starting on which move' 590911;1396058172;asciilifeform;this doesn't require you to hash the entire playing field 590912;1396058187;cads;looking up "hash life" on youtube got me to a video by "Swag Sensei" 590913;1396058190;asciilifeform;and there is presently no known means of predicting, other than by running the ant, when the bridge will be built 590914;1396058196;asciilifeform;and there is, afaik, no proof that it is always built 590915;1396058202;asciilifeform;but no known counter-example either. 590916;1396058219;cads;oh it's just smart memoization 590917;1396058221;asciilifeform;everyone is invited to try it 590918;1396058223;cads;durp 590919;1396058231;cads;nothing like stochastic/predictive? 590920;1396058239;*;cads reads on 590921;1396058249;asciilifeform;;;google langton's ant 590922;1396058250;gribble;Langton's ant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langton's_ant>; Langton's Ant - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X-gtr4pEBU>; Langton's Ant -- from Wolfram MathWorld: <http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LangtonsAnt.html> 590923;1396058356;asciilifeform;incidentally, hashlife starts grinding to sub-naive speed if your playing field is complex 590924;1396058361;asciilifeform;(highly entropic) 590925;1396058368;asciilifeform;because it no longer compresses. 590926;1396058398;asciilifeform;given that GOL is proven turing-complete, it would follow that there is no generic shortcut to nth-state 590927;1396058407;asciilifeform;unless p == np 590928;1396058425;asciilifeform;(and possibly not even then) 590929;1396058449;samO_;haven't had internet conn. for almost two days! nearly lost my mind... :D what happend in the mean time, anything significant? 590930;1396058490;asciilifeform;one could make an arbitrarily hardware-unfriendly 'hash' using automata, merely by demanding a large and well-entropic (crypto hash of payload, bit-spread) playing field 590931;1396058495;asciilifeform;and a turing-complete automaton 590932;1396058497;VanCleef;the fuck is up with havelock 590933;1396058497;tg2;I have a useful distributed work coin project on the burner 590934;1396058504;VanCleef;shit dont even work properly anymore 590935;1396058507;VanCleef;useless site 590936;1396058508;asciilifeform;make the field large enough, and everyone is reduced to swapping to disk! 590937;1396058513;tg2;gonna be better than wasting hashes on nothing 590938;1396058538;asciilifeform;(why anyone should wish this is another question.) 590939;1396058554;samO_;also, is there a chat log history of this channel somewhere? thx! 590940;1396058568;tg2;Just Google your username 590941;1396058602;tg2;Who admins havelock 590942;1396058613;tg2;Niggas need some help 590943;1396058648;tg2;Not even a heavy site to lift 590944;1396058688;asciilifeform;paging herr doktor wolfram! 590945;1396058696;asciilifeform;who loves stealing useless ideas 590946;1396058701;asciilifeform;let him steal this one! 590947;1396058744;asciilifeform;;;google wolfram batshit egomania 590948;1396058744;gribble;Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science: <http://www.cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/reviews/wolfram/>; Ten Years of Monster Raving Egomania and Utter Batshit Insanity: <http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/915.html>; Collection of Reviews of Wolfram's A New Kind of Science, Etc...: <http://www.math.usf.edu/~eclark/ANKOS_reviews.html> 590949;1396058749;asciilifeform;there we go. 590950;1396058811;mircea_popescu;samO_ who'd you be ? 590951;1396058849;mircea_popescu;;;topic 590952;1396058850;gribble;http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com 590953;1396059063;asciilifeform;proposed algo, for those who insist: 590954;1396059073;asciilifeform;take j x k bit playing field. 590955;1396059112;asciilifeform;fill bits, in sequence, with sha2(xxx), then sha2(sha2(xxx)).... until field is full 590956;1396059125;asciilifeform;then run langton's ant, starting from the middle of the field 590957;1396059133;asciilifeform;output is an integer, N 590958;1396059140;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay "One cannot issue ratings until one is rated oneself. This is a useful feature that prevents a lot of misuse of the system. If scammers cannot stuff the WoT database with their sockpuppets, they cannot artificially inflate their ratings. Granted, the mechanism is weak and easily gamed, but the simple presence of a barrier reduces much malfeasance." this made no sense. you know it made no sense. why 590959;1396059141;mircea_popescu;is it there then !? 590960;1396059141;gribble;The operation succeeded. 590961;1396059144;asciilifeform;corresponding to 'bridge is being built' 590962;1396059186;asciilifeform;alternatively, run 'life' on the entire field, for M moves, and output is sha(field) 590963;1396059225;mircea_popescu;in fact! 590964;1396059233;mircea_popescu;you can have difficulty scale as... the size of the field. 590965;1396059238;asciilifeform;as i said above. 590966;1396059246;mircea_popescu;a you did ? 590967;1396059253;asciilifeform;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#590936 590968;1396059255;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 590969;1396059270;mircea_popescu;what i mean is 590970;1396059281;mircea_popescu;the mining difficulty parameter is not some arbitrary zerofill 590971;1396059285;mircea_popescu;but the size of the field to compute. 590972;1396059289;asciilifeform;well yes. 590973;1396059293;asciilifeform;that'd be how it has to be. 590974;1396059323;asciilifeform;now all you need is a reason to actually do this. 590975;1396059324;mircea_popescu;how many numbers are the product of two others ? 590976;1396059332;mircea_popescu;all nonprimes basically huh. 590977;1396059338;asciilifeform;not incl. 1? 590978;1396059345;mircea_popescu;in fact you can allow life on a 1 wide grid couldn't you 590979;1396059350;asciilifeform;certainly 590980;1396059361;asciilifeform;although it would need to be called something else 590981;1396059371;mircea_popescu;yeah, i think the lowest would be 3 ? or 5 ? 590982;1396059375;mircea_popescu;maybe 5. 590983;1396059418;asciilifeform;most possible cellular automata degenerate to a steady state rather than give the kind of 'soup' one normally looks for. 590984;1396059438;asciilifeform;(yet another 'discovery' by people long ago that herr W claimed for himself) 590985;1396059701;chetty;http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/28/white-house-looks-to-regulate-cow-flatulence-as-part-of-climate-agenda/#ixzz2xHqYITaT 590986;1396059701;ozbot;White House regulate cow flatulence climate agenda | The Daily Caller 590987;1396059752;asciilifeform;so long as you use an automaton that has been proven turing-complete, and use a reasonably entropic starting field state, you're pretty much safe from shortcuts 590988;1396059773;asciilifeform;and people are stuck having to compute the state transitions for the whole field, as many times as specified 590989;1396059787;asciilifeform;unless p == np, rocks fall, crypto dies 590990;1396059820;asciilifeform;likewise, scaling the difficulty in time and space becomes trivial. 590991;1396059862;cazalla;moiety: that gpg guide is good, this was much easier than i thought it would be 590992;1396059955;moiety;cazalla: yeah definately, i got the live version :D he is a very good sensei 590993;1396059979;asciilifeform;anyone who has the apparently common distaste for the asic folks should give this some thought. 590994;1396060080;MisterE;morning dudes 590995;1396060165;MisterE;asciilifeform: did you read tg2's analysis of sha-356 asics vs scrypt asics on bitcointalk? 590996;1396060171;MisterE;256* 590997;1396060180;asciilifeform;MisterE: nope. i pretty much never see bitcointalk 590998;1396060183;MisterE;it's realy good and concise 590999;1396060188;asciilifeform;except when linked here - and even then, every 50th time or so 591000;1396060193;MisterE;yea from what I can tell its mostly trash 591001;1396060198;MisterE;I will find it 591002;1396060214;kakobrekla;trash mixed with gold 591003;1396060223;kakobrekla;but mostly trash 591004;1396060232;asciilifeform;any surprises therein for folks who understand the algos? 591005;1396060241;mircea_popescu;gold mixed with comedy 591006;1396060243;mircea_popescu;but mostly comedy 591007;1396060254;stompysteve;anyone got any info on neo and whats going on past they stopped trading due to sus activity 591008;1396060264;mircea_popescu;stompysteve read the log will you. 591009;1396060270;stompysteve;sorry 591010;1396060274;mircea_popescu;who had that link ? 591011;1396060290;asciilifeform;sha-356!? 591012;1396060307;MisterE;asciilifeform: probably not for you it's about the state of and medium-term future of hardware and mfgr. proceses 591013;1396060371;mircea_popescu;stompysteve http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014#589431 591014;1396060374;asciilifeform;the ideal botnet-optimized (i.e. what scrypt wants to be) algo is described above. 591015;1396060393;mircea_popescu;MisterE so link it 591016;1396060409;MisterE;searching my logs now 591017;1396060601;MisterE;oh it's on litecointalk thats why didn't find it right away... [2014-03-27T12:19:20+0700] <tg2> https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=17948.0 // Discourse welcome! 591018;1396060677;asciilifeform;;;google heusser satcoin 591019;1396060677;gribble;SAT solving - An alternative to brute force bitcoin mining: <http://jheusser.github.io/2013/02/03/satcoin.html>; Proof of concept code for SAT-based bitcoin mining: <http://jheusser.github.io/2013/12/30/satcoin-code.html>; jheusser/satcoin · GitHub: <https://github.com/jheusser/satcoin> 591020;1396060687;tg2;Yeah knc updated their numbers, I should update the post 591021;1396060694;asciilifeform;'Current/Next gen bitcoin/sha256 asics are already at the forefront of manufacturing process, they cannot get more power efficient without waiting for a new manufacturing process to be available (14nm)' << nah 591022;1396060703;mircea_popescu;tg2 you realise people wouldn't build the ram as part of the asic do you ? 591023;1396060717;asciilifeform;why brute force. it's like nobody gives a rat's arse enough to even try 591024;1396060727;tg2;They went for the "less ram faster latency" approach 591025;1396060752;asciilifeform;hence 'lifecoin'. you're stuck with the RAM 591026;1396060758;tg2;I stand by my analysis though that it won't be near as prolific as sha256 591027;1396060776;mircea_popescu;nearly as prolific as bitcoin miners they will never be 591028;1396060778;tg2;Although knc sure is trying to prove me wrong lol 591029;1396060784;MisterE;and won't depreciate so quickly like sha-256 2nd gen 591030;1396060788;mircea_popescu;the reason, of course, is that bitcoin is worth three to four degrees of magnitude more. 591031;1396060802;MisterE;I heard knc was not reliable and they have had a lot of delivery misses int he past? 591032;1396060814;mircea_popescu;MisterE not as bad as all that. 591033;1396060821;MisterE;ok 591034;1396060823;tg2;They are probably one of the best right now 591035;1396060833;MisterE;they also mine so there is a conflict of interest iirc? 591036;1396060841;tg2;Hashfast are clowns 591037;1396060848;MisterE;oh, perhaps I'm confused with another 3 letter mfgr? 591038;1396060853;tg2;They assemble them out of house 591039;1396060863;tg2;at a workshop 5 minutes from my office 591040;1396060873;asciilifeform;i've always wondered if folks interested in mining despite the negative ROI are really just looking to convert fiat to btc by whatever means possible. 591041;1396060893;tg2;Yeah I think that's a way to look at it 591042;1396060893;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how about the people who "invest" despite negative roi ? 591043;1396060905;tg2;Don't forget gpu's hold some value 591044;1396060928;tg2;shit even shoddy first gen sha fpga's are still being sold lol 591045;1396060928;MisterE;and generate transactions that help keep the network healthy 591046;1396060931;mircea_popescu;rational behaviour isn't exactly the rule. 591047;1396060964;MisterE;BTC still has a gold rush mentality that personally I dont think is doing speculators any favors 591048;1396060969;asciilifeform;think of it this way - some people are prepared to pay double, triple, the 'usual' cost for btc, so long as they aren't using an exchange 591049;1396060971;asciilifeform;esp. americans 591050;1396060980;MisterE;smart ones supply the miners and speculators 591051;1396060989;TestingUnoDosTre;;;d 591052;1396060989;gribble;Error: "d" is not a valid command. 591053;1396060996;asciilifeform;not everyone has an 'otc' vendor that they're willing to trust 591054;1396061003;TestingUnoDosTre;say wahat gribble? 591055;1396061013;mircea_popescu;.d 591056;1396061013;ozbot;5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1326 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.9722% in 7d 17h 34m 28s 591057;1396061014;MisterE;asciilifeform: the mining centers I've read abotu who are doing it right have paid back their investments within months 591058;1396061032;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform those people trade otc. 591059;1396061041;MisterE;there was just the article in Ars abotu the guy who controls ~10% of hash rate 591060;1396061043;asciilifeform;MisterE: large concerns with ready access to the latest widgets, sure. 591061;1396061051;mircea_popescu;well i guess, but it's becoming edge-r and edge-r 591062;1396061060;asciilifeform;the poor schmucks buying thirdhand asic, not so much 591063;1396061062;MisterE;but medium - small guys are throwing money away? 591064;1396061067;MisterE;lol ok 591065;1396061081;mircea_popescu;it's really very hit and miss. 591066;1396061094;asciilifeform;but there's a standpoint from which it makes sense to buy a junk miner 591067;1396061104;mircea_popescu;"large concerns" that thought they had access to the latest widgets expected to come out... november 2012 are mostly bankrupt today 591068;1396061106;MisterE;yea tg2 does a good job explaining that depreciation, expecially of 2nd gen sha-256 asics 591069;1396061141;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that'd be because the only way to have reliable access to latest xxx is to... build it 591070;1396061143;tg2;Yeah I pitty anybody who dropped btc on a bfl product 591071;1396061152;mircea_popescu;MisterE it's a theory. it's not outrageously or massively wrong, but im not too persuaded. 591072;1396061159;MisterE;http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/meet-the-manic-miner-who-wants-to-mint-10-of-all-new-bitcoins/ 591073;1396061159;ozbot;Meet the manic miner who wants to mint 10% of all new bitcoins | Ars Technica 591074;1396061168;tg2;Even the "next gen" 600gh is garbage 591075;1396061169;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not even. more builders went out of business than stayed in. 591076;1396061172;MisterE;yea BFL really scammed a lot 591077;1396061195;MisterE;my buddy ordered a 10mh box and was shopped a 7mh box 591078;1396061200;asciilifeform;some people will spend 2K usd to get 1 btc, if it means they don't have to bend over for 'aml' crapola or trust someone 591079;1396061202;mircea_popescu;ahh, remember the days when am was derping about "having 30% of all hashing for a year" 591080;1396061203;MisterE;they are being sued 591081;1396061205;MisterE;a lot 591082;1396061206;mircea_popescu;it was.... six months ago ? 591083;1396061224;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform someone they'll still be trusting. 591084;1396061230;tg2;I honestly think they started out with the goal of scamming and then btc blew up so fast lol 591085;1396061235;mircea_popescu;unless they're taking a microscope to the box, who's to say what's in there ? 591086;1396061250;asciilifeform;think 'silk road' and 'why didn't they just go to the dark alley to buy the coke' 591087;1396061258;MisterE;well performance doesn't lie heh 591088;1396061268;MisterE;plus I thing it was stamped on the box 591089;1396061274;tg2;I hope this Canadian class action against gox bears some fruit 591090;1396061276;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm off. take it easy all. 591091;1396061287;MisterE;BFL could not deliver the product my buddy ordered and instead of refunding sent a lesser spec 591092;1396061289;asciilifeform;from this crackpot theory, mining doesn't need to have much +EV so long as it isn't too far in the minus. 591093;1396061297;tg2;I'm glad they decided to do it, they were on the fence about it for a few days 591094;1396061310;mircea_popescu;you mean https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/447869151756161025 ? 591095;1396061312;MisterE;I hope they all do 591096;1396061365;MisterE;I heard they were being sued the first time a couple months ago but that also people were lining up to file 591097;1396061373;tg2;Ain't nobody spending 2k for 1 btc lol 591098;1396061393;tg2;no matter how shady 591099;1396061394;asciilifeform;tg2: many 'home' miners end up doing just that. 591100;1396061400;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00094137 = 11.2964 BTC [+] {2} 591101;1396061400;MisterE;I made a big buy (for me) at 500 yesterday 591102;1396061403;tg2;Not by intent 591103;1396061417;tg2;I have 250k of gpus running 591104;1396061418;asciilifeform;tg2: that's what i was wondering. perhaps it isn't always accidental 591105;1396061422;tg2;dat cheap hydro 591106;1396061425;MisterE;it goes out in pieces to the electric company 591107;1396061445;tg2;And most of it was bought with btc mined from a single 5970 lol 591108;1396061446;MisterE;so if they can amortize it spending 2k on a BTC is acceptable I guess. 591109;1396061465;MisterE;heh yea think of that scale jump 591110;1396061475;tg2;My thoughts are, my power costs me .05c 591111;1396061478;tg2;Cdn$ 591112;1396061485;MisterE;you got hydro? 591113;1396061498;MisterE;or nukes in the back yard? 591114;1396061514;MisterE;in US you get cheap power if you live nearish a nuke plant 591115;1396061516;tg2;Rate m power 591116;1396061519;TestingUnoDosTre;I bought some at 500 as well 591117;1396061537;TestingUnoDosTre;pissed because I made a small purchase around 400... 591118;1396061540;MisterE;yea I see a lot of support at 500 TestingUnoDosTre 591119;1396061566;tg2;plus cheap cooling most of the year 591120;1396061567;MisterE;all the bad BTC news lately hasn't budged it at all 591121;1396061568;MisterE;very good sign 591122;1396061574;TestingUnoDosTre;I see a lot of don't really care how things pan out over the next 2-3 months 591123;1396061590;MisterE;tg2: the successful miners of the future will have to monetize that heat 591124;1396061590;tg2;People in cali and uk already losing money 591125;1396061617;TestingUnoDosTre;US miners are going to have to evade taxs or more out 591126;1396061620;tg2;Umm already doing something with my 600,000 btu lol 591127;1396061627;TestingUnoDosTre;move* 591128;1396061637;MisterE;what you doing tg2 ? 591129;1396061648;tg2;Have grass growing outside in the middle of February 591130;1396061656;MisterE;I mean hell you can just well insulate and heat your house if you live in a colder place 591131;1396061662;MisterE;lolol :) 591132;1396061665;tg2;While it's -20C out 591133;1396061674;xdotcommer;weather is changing 591134;1396061677;MisterE;you so high roller 591135;1396061678;tg2;It's to much heat for a house 591136;1396061697;MisterE;in 20 years you;ll have to run an a/c for your February lawn heh 591137;1396061700;tg2;almost 200,000 W 591138;1396061705;MisterE;damn 591139;1396061723;tg2;With darkcoin about 110kw 591140;1396061732;MisterE;I'm thining of the centralized boilers in NYC that heat several blocks 591141;1396061749;tg2;You can recycle it 591142;1396061757;MisterE;as scale of rigs increase a colo facility that makes use of that heat in a similar way would be interesting 591143;1396061790;tg2;I tried to make a deal with a golf dome to heat it for free over the winter 591144;1396061792;*;MisterE needs to learn about darkcoin 591145;1396061819;MisterE;thats the kind of thinking out of the box I'm talking about! 591146;1396061821;MisterE;any inroads? 591147;1396062558;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00094266 = 15.6482 BTC [+] {3} 591148;1396063567;*;MisterE killed the chat :/ 591149;1396063659;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=546338.0;topicseen 591150;1396063661;ozbot;Auroracoin - Forked and Game Over 591151;1396063679;cazalla;top kek 591152;1396063756;Apocalyptic;"Luke is that you? 591153;1396063756;Apocalyptic;" lol'd 591154;1396063789;kakobrekla;is it even sha? 591155;1396063807;Apocalyptic;no idea 591156;1396064083;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2537 @ 0.00011999 = 0.3044 BTC [+] {2} 591157;1396064277;VanCleef;iceland is now for sale 591158;1396064286;VanCleef;thanks auroracoin 591159;1396064360;MisterE;heh 591160;1396064453;Apocalyptic;VanCleef, interested by some island land ? 591161;1396064533;kanzure;hah it's already forked. that's fun. 591162;1396064552;kanzure;man i've had so many people asking me about it. they all think it's the government. 591163;1396065697;nicknode_;whats up with neobee? 591164;1396065706;Mats_cd03;it sucks 591165;1396065707;VanCleef;outed as a scam 591166;1396065716;nicknode_;VanCleef: link? 591167;1396065866;iamnot_;VanCleef, really? 591168;1396065868;nicknode_;VanCleef: would you let me in on the true inside story on neobee? i'll pay 591169;1396065872;iamnot_;or just "really?" 591170;1396065979;VanCleef;my lawyer has asked me to not talk about it 591171;1396066043;nicknode_;ok well thanks anyway 591172;1396066828;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00093835 = 8.3982 BTC [-] {2} 591173;1396067897;nubbins`;ha 591174;1396068231;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00093834 = 4.3633 BTC [-] 591175;1396068435;MisterE;xD 591176;1396073965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00094136 = 12.7084 BTC [+] {2} 591177;1396074021;samO_;thx mircea_popesku for the link (yeah, i've been blind) :D 591178;1396075307;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5061 @ 0.00094173 = 4.7661 BTC [+] 591179;1396076710;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00094217 = 18.4665 BTC [+] {2} 591180;1396077320;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.00093894 = 31.6892 BTC [-] {7} 591181;1396078174;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1739 @ 0.00094231 = 1.6387 BTC [+] 591182;1396078967;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2861 @ 0.00094345 = 2.6992 BTC [+] 591183;1396079853;bitcoinpete;;;later tell benkay ty! 591184;1396079854;gribble;The operation succeeded. 591185;1396081590;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00093961 = 8.4095 BTC [-] 591186;1396083237;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06888 = 0.6888 BTC [+] 591187;1396083298;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59484287 BTC [+] 591188;1396084579;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.05564701 = 1.1129 BTC [-] {2} 591189;1396084701;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20741 @ 0.00094128 = 19.5231 BTC [+] {2} 591190;1396085738;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00094197 = 12.8579 BTC [+] 591191;1396085860;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00094197 = 8.2893 BTC [+] 591192;1396087019;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00094197 = 10.4559 BTC [+] 591193;1396087873;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8431 @ 0.00094007 = 7.9257 BTC [-] {2} 591194;1396089551;khersonus;;;blocks 591195;1396089552;gribble;293057 591196;1396089642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1312 @ 0.00094197 = 1.2359 BTC [+] 591197;1396090169;ArsKisS;havelock so down :/ 591198;1396090608;Jackmaninov;wow such trade 591199;1396091838;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00094197 = 0.9891 BTC [+] 591200;1396092814;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00094252 = 14.1849 BTC [+] {2} 591201;1396094330;joeshanny;peek da whole scene and whatever's goin on around, brain kinda cloudy, smoked out, feelin rowdy 591202;1396095986;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56000001 = 1.12 BTC [-] {2} 591203;1396096047;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.56 = 1.12 BTC [-] {2} 591204;1396096108;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.559 BTC [-] 591205;1396096230;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.559 = 1.118 BTC [-] 591206;1396096413;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.55057778 = 4.9552 BTC [-] {7} 591207;1396096535;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [-] 591208;1396096657;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [-] 591209;1396097145;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.522 BTC [-] 591210;1396097572;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06888989 = 0.2756 BTC [-] {3} 591211;1396097633;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.522 BTC [-] 591212;1396097733;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/ 591213;1396097734;ozbot;The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 591214;1396097745;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay asciilifeform you've been mentioned ^ 591215;1396097745;gribble;The operation succeeded. 591216;1396097755;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.522 = 4.176 BTC [-] 591217;1396097877;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00094401 = 11.2337 BTC [+] {2} 591218;1396097877;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0553188 = 0.2766 BTC [-] {4} 591219;1396098122;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00093976 = 7.847 BTC [-] {2} 591220;1396098166;artifexd;mircea_popescu You make me sad. I wanted to believe in NeoBee. 591221;1396098191;VanCleef;that was your first mistake 591222;1396098208;mircea_popescu;yeah generally a pragmatic approach works better. there are more things we want to believe in than can be done. 591223;1396098249;psterryl;so people are saying neobee is a scam now? 591224;1396098269;VanCleef;yeah its official 591225;1396098275;mircea_popescu;just poorly managed. 591226;1396098275;bounce;but, I like that poster! 591227;1396098288;psterryl;how is it official vancleef? 591228;1396098294;psterryl;since there's been no official statement 591229;1396098300;psterryl;seems like rumour to me 591230;1396098334;psterryl;until someone points to some legit evidence or a statement from LMB/neo/danny 591231;1396098354;mircea_popescu;psterryl what's your reasoning process here ? 591232;1396098377;psterryl;my reasoning is evidence based 591233;1396098388;psterryl;without evidence either way 591234;1396098388;mircea_popescu;i mean specifically in this deduction : 591235;1396098398;mircea_popescu;<psterryl> so people are saying neobee is a scam now? 591236;1396098398;mircea_popescu;<VanCleef> yeah its official <psterryl> until someone points to some legit evidence or a statement from LMB/neo/danny 591237;1396098399;psterryl;it's impossible to call it one way or the other 591238;1396098418;mircea_popescu;no, this is neither reasonable nor novel material. 591239;1396098438;mircea_popescu;it's been covered to death why " it's impossible to call it one way or the other" doesn't work and doesn't hold, over the years 591240;1396098443;mircea_popescu;you'll have to refer to the logs. 591241;1396098462;psterryl;i'm just talking from my own personal viewpoint 591242;1396098470;psterryl;everyone is entitled to their own opinions/deductions 591243;1396098488;psterryl;i like to be shown conclusive proof 591244;1396098497;psterryl;rather than get caught up in internet chinese whispers 591245;1396098548;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.06730513 = 2.3557 BTC [-] {5} 591246;1396098554;mircea_popescu;no, everyone is not entitled to their own personal viewpoint. 591247;1396098563;psterryl;oh ok 591248;1396098581;mircea_popescu;the path is 1) you prove you're able to think ; 2) you're entitled to your own viewpoint. 591249;1396098581;psterryl;so everyone is entitled to the mircea approved viewpoint? 591250;1396098583;mircea_popescu;so far you're short 1. 591251;1396098584;mircea_popescu;no. 591252;1396098601;psterryl;well, my 1st class university degree should suggest i'm ok for #1 591253;1396098605;mircea_popescu;but there is such a thing as an examen de maturite which keeps the children away from human society. 591254;1396098608;psterryl;but you're just some random guy on the internet 591255;1396098614;mircea_popescu;you may not suggest that. i have to suggest it, when you're talking to me, 591256;1396098616;bounce;eh, opinions are like assholes. everyone's got one. whether they matter is something else entirely. 591257;1396098617;psterryl;so it's not like i have to prove anything to you 591258;1396098619;psterryl;ok cool 591259;1396098620;psterryl;well 591260;1396098621;mircea_popescu;and generally everyone else, when you're talking to them. 591261;1396098623;psterryl;in that cuse 591262;1396098626;cazalla;popcorn.gif 591263;1396098633;psterryl;as of this moment, i'm officially talking to everyone in this channel apart from you 591264;1396098637;psterryl;so you dont need to worry 591265;1396098642;mircea_popescu;aite. 591266;1396098654;cbr;*clap clap clap clap* 591267;1396098689;ThickAsThieves;statistically, ignoring mp is ignoring like half its content 591268;1396098698;ThickAsThieves;(the channel's) 591269;1396098712;punkman1;psterryl: congratulations, you've removed all doubt 591270;1396098735;psterryl;yeah im new on here so still working out who is insightful and who's just a dick 591271;1396098749;ThickAsThieves;http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ 591272;1396098751;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets stats 591273;1396098752;psterryl;at first i thought mp was the former but starting to think latter 591274;1396098752;chetty;here the dick is the insightful 591275;1396098752;artifexd;Those qualities are not mutually exclusive. 591276;1396098766;psterryl;i think that says a lot about the bitcoin community 591277;1396098774;VanCleef;psterryl i think this might help - https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080602010632AAlnmTB 591278;1396098799;psterryl;oh wow vancleef 591279;1396098801;psterryl;such insight 591280;1396098804;psterryl;many revelation 591281;1396098806;ThickAsThieves;also "mean" and "dick" are emotional observations 591282;1396098817;ThickAsThieves;not quite applicable to substance 591283;1396098823;mircea_popescu;VanCleef i thought the freudian/jungian approach was poo = moneys. 591284;1396098835;VanCleef;that would be good 591285;1396098843;VanCleef;i had to check my pants before when i woke up 591286;1396098857;ThickAsThieves;the life a monkey! 591287;1396098862;mircea_popescu;haha 591288;1396098865;psterryl;true but when someone makes a blanket statement that not everyone is entitled to their own opinion 591289;1396098873;psterryl;it suddenly becomes much harder to take them seriously 591290;1396098879;psterryl;even idiots are entited to an opinion 591291;1396098884;psterryl;it might be subjectively wrong in my eyes 591292;1396098891;psterryl;but doesnt mean they're not entiteld to it 591293;1396098896;ThickAsThieves;i dunno 591294;1396098901;ThickAsThieves;did you bother asking why? 591295;1396098914;ThickAsThieves;maybe he has logic behind his claims 591296;1396098938;ThickAsThieves;you never felt like some people's opinion's dont deserve the weight they carry 591297;1396098940;ThickAsThieves;? 591298;1396098945;psterryl;of course 591299;1396098951;psterryl;but they're still entitled to that opinion 591300;1396098955;psterryl;despite my personal views of it 591301;1396098972;ThickAsThieves;or like the people that are most likely to say "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" are the least likely to have opinions worth considering? 591302;1396099003;psterryl;well 591303;1396099007;psterryl;that may be your opinion 591304;1396099008;ThickAsThieves;it's customer-is-always-right syndrome 591305;1396099015;psterryl;and you're totally entitled to it 591306;1396099030;psterryl;but i personally disagree 591307;1396099031;ThickAsThieves;maybe the issue mp has is with entitlement itself 591308;1396099041;ThickAsThieves;not the craziest thing to challenge 591309;1396099114;VanCleef;anyone have a youtube vid of a robot that's better than asimo? 591310;1396099126;psterryl;that's a possibility 591311;1396099140;psterryl;but saying that someone has to prove their intelligence before they're allowed an opinion 591312;1396099147;psterryl;seems like a fairly entitled stance 591313;1396099154;psterryl;so maybe it's a self-loathing issue 591314;1396099200;ThickAsThieves;if you think mp is self-loathing, you have not read much from him 591315;1396099211;psterryl;like i said i'm new here 591316;1396099217;VanCleef;stocks are like women....once they lose their value you dump them 591317;1396099266;ThickAsThieves;VanCleef, in that example, isnt better to dump them before they lose value? 591318;1396099300;VanCleef;yes but like with women investors get emotionally involved and dont know when to let go 591319;1396099328;VanCleef;this is the problem psterryl is having with neobee atm 591320;1396099335;ThickAsThieves;a bit of a generalization, but i hear ya 591321;1396099471;pankkake;I thought the limit for women was clear, dump when the age doesn't end in teen 591322;1396099476;psterryl;and sometimes people bring a relationship back from the rocks and go on to have long and fulfilling times together 591323;1396099544;mircea_popescu;why not just dump them when they get annoying, age-irrespective ? 591324;1396099561;pankkake;wait there are non-annoying women?! 591325;1396099564;mircea_popescu;yeah! 591326;1396099578;pankkake;that didn't use to be a man? 591327;1396099585;mircea_popescu;see, if you dump them when they get 20 you're stuck with a bunch of annoying teens 591328;1396099596;mircea_popescu;if you dump them when they get annoying you're stuck with a bunch of pleasant women. 591329;1396099611;chetty;hey there are a lot of non-annoying women 591330;1396099628;ThickAsThieves;maybe you need to write a how to pick up chicks worth picking up blog 591331;1396099632;mircea_popescu;chetty dated a lot of em ? 591332;1396099662;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves that's simple, "have your girls recommend" 591333;1396099682;ThickAsThieves;my girls? 591334;1396099690;ThickAsThieves;like exes? 591335;1396099693;mircea_popescu;uh 591336;1396099701;mircea_popescu;no, because as per previous exes are annoying 591337;1396099707;ThickAsThieves;slaves? 591338;1396099718;ThickAsThieves;mom? 591339;1396099720;mircea_popescu;well slaves if you keep slaves, girlfriends, w/e you got 591340;1396099735;mircea_popescu;lol mom. not mom, it works better if you've been intimate. what's urmom know. 591341;1396099740;ThickAsThieves;so ask your gf to recommend a new gf? 591342;1396099745;ThickAsThieves;lol 591343;1396099747;mircea_popescu;then again... deep south... maybe i shouldn't assume 591344;1396099751;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves definitely. 591345;1396099764;VanCleef;"how to pick up chicks by not talking about bitcoin" 591346;1396099768;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00094435 = 6.4688 BTC [+] 591347;1396099782;ThickAsThieves;"I'm sorry baby, it's just not working out. Got any referrals?" 591348;1396099790;mircea_popescu;well you can't dump her 591349;1396099794;mircea_popescu;she's not being annoying is she. 591350;1396099817;ThickAsThieves;you gotta hold our collective hand a little hear 591351;1396099819;ThickAsThieves;here* 591352;1396099825;ThickAsThieves;cant find the thread 591353;1396099842;mircea_popescu;i am more than willing to continue answering q's. 591354;1396099853;mircea_popescu;tis not annoying or anything :D 591355;1396099902;ThickAsThieves;i'll rephrase 591356;1396099907;ThickAsThieves;shooting in the dark is annoying too 591357;1396099931;ThickAsThieves;so far it seems you want a man to ask his not-annoying gf for recommendations 591358;1396099937;mircea_popescu;gfs 591359;1396099938;chetty;where is your sense of adventure? 591360;1396099944;mircea_popescu;it's unlikely a single girl can do much for oyu. 591361;1396099971;ThickAsThieves;so we need to rewind to where you suggest a man generally keep multiple gfs 591362;1396099988;mircea_popescu;a man does generally keep multiple gfs. 591363;1396099992;[KS];Hi all - you guys are golden. Asssets/scams/2c psychology/women advice etc :) (back to lurking) 591364;1396099995;ThickAsThieves;the kind he fucks? 591365;1396099997;Diablo-D3;lol 591366;1396100001;ThickAsThieves;or the kind he'll talk to? 591367;1396100004;mircea_popescu;[KS] hugs and kisses to you too 591368;1396100008;*;Diablo-D3 has kept multiple gfs. 591369;1396100008;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yes the kind he fucks. 591370;1396100050;ThickAsThieves;anytime i've attempted as much it felt more like being a triple agent than anything 591371;1396100059;mircea_popescu;this "lifetime monogamy" thing is a very narrow edge case of human sexual and intimate practice. 591372;1396100064;mircea_popescu;both historical and geographical. 591373;1396100065;ThickAsThieves;the more they know about each other the more crazy they behave 591374;1396100072;mircea_popescu;if they do dump em. 591375;1396100075;ThickAsThieves;i see 591376;1396100077;mircea_popescu;as per annoying rule. 591377;1396100081;ThickAsThieves;heh 591378;1396100083;ThickAsThieves;so simple! 591379;1396100086;mircea_popescu;indeed. 591380;1396100094;mircea_popescu;turns out red wire was there all along :) 591381;1396100108;ThickAsThieves;and should man tolerate the reverse? 591382;1396100113;mircea_popescu;up to him. 591383;1396100120;ThickAsThieves;whether ity annoys him 591384;1396100123;ThickAsThieves;still works i guess 591385;1396100127;mircea_popescu;indeed. 591386;1396100169;mircea_popescu;btw, quick question : einstein had a) no girlfriend ; b) one girlfriend c) two girlfriends or d) thirteen girlfriends. 591387;1396100182;ThickAsThieves;a? 591388;1396100193;ThickAsThieves;i'm going with intelligence is a burden 591389;1396100234;ThickAsThieves;"Albert Einstein had half a dozen girlfriends and told his wife they showered him with "unwanted" affection, according to letters released " 591390;1396100254;mircea_popescu;:p 591391;1396100258;Diablo-D3;#smartpeopleproblems 591392;1396100294;ThickAsThieves;he married his cousin too 591393;1396100305;Diablo-D3;second cousin 591394;1396100328;kakobrekla;did he also eat the neighbors dog? 591395;1396100332;kakobrekla;smart people problems. 591396;1396100356;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla no, but reports show he occasionally ate the neighbour's bitch. 591397;1396100364;kakobrekla;you bitch. 591398;1396100457;mircea_popescu;now to fully establish the other extreme, since nobody seems inclined, we return to scriptae : 591399;1396100464;mircea_popescu;It's unfair to quote a 5 year old article but if Alone still believes _that_ analysis has validity...he's missed the forest of leeching for the victimized and disinterested trees. Many women invest their entire lives in what amounts to brazen fraud conducted and perfected to "catch" a guy who is then trapped with no idea how cruelly he's been setup. 591400;1396100464;mircea_popescu;Guys lose interest. And women, who hated sex remember (they're not that type of girl), suddenly give the con away. It boils down to this; what are they bringing to the party? 591401;1396100465;mircea_popescu;Emotional poison, lies, some shitty repetitive sex (I'll be more romantic when those who believe in the lie that is exclusivity eat the same meal for the rest of their lives), surrogate services, shitty cooking...It doesn't matter that I'm grossly making crude generalizations. I'm right. 591402;1396100467;mircea_popescu;And the market agrees with me. Alone missed it. Porn is a better product. If girls want to compete maybe they should get real? Virtual honesty v Virtual Deceit? This is economics. No need for hysterics or water works or expressed feelings. Awwh. 591403;1396100477;mircea_popescu;now THIS is self loathing. 591404;1396100568;ThickAsThieves;written by a woman? 591405;1396100593;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/10/the_story_of_narcissus.html#comment-27176 591406;1396100594;ozbot;The Last Psychiatrist: The Second Story Of Echo And Narcissus 591407;1396100596;mircea_popescu;some guy presumably. 591408;1396100648;ThickAsThieves;or so he'd like us to believe 591409;1396100656;mircea_popescu;i'll give this much credit to the entire progressive movement : while in the 50s there in fact existed schools and other torture implements dedicated to reforming otherwise decent, healthy and loving human beings into the sort of very sad victims of abuse described there, 591410;1396100664;mircea_popescu;it's rare now. 591411;1396100683;mircea_popescu;so rare that extant examples are almost fascinating for reason of that rarity. 591412;1396100705;ThickAsThieves;i imagine dating in your 30s in 40s these days is pretty much all online websites now? 591413;1396100715;chetty;huh? Looks like more of those schools out there, just different rules 591414;1396100731;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves betas shower the websites, alphas let the girls suggest girls for the club. 591415;1396100739;mircea_popescu;chetty how you mean ? 591416;1396100751;mircea_popescu;and in completely different yet very related news, "The problem, as the president explained it, is that Putin doesnt understand how the world is supposed to work" 591417;1396100774;ThickAsThieves;projection? 591418;1396100776;mircea_popescu;inching along towards the "putin doesn't give a shit about the way i think the world should work" 591419;1396100783;chetty;wiht 'leaders' like that no wonder world is such a mess 591420;1396100789;mircea_popescu;after which, "putin is satan" 591421;1396100805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.00547308 = 0.3229 BTC [-] {5} 591422;1396100816;mircea_popescu;and now i shall proceed to read the log, so allow me to spam you all even more! 591423;1396100845;ThickAsThieves;one thing that isnt so bad about US public communication, is if youve any hint of doubt, you can mostly assume they are saying the opposite of what's true 591424;1396100941;mircea_popescu;pravda. 591425;1396100988;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 195 @ 0.06032577 = 11.7635 BTC [-] {10} 591426;1396101293;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0436 = 0.1744 BTC [-] {3} 591427;1396101351;mircea_popescu;nice one kakobrekla i tweetered it. 591428;1396101390;mircea_popescu;nicknode_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#591212 591429;1396101408;mircea_popescu;you don't have to pay anything, unless you're reading a lot of trilema. then it's like i don't recall, .1 cents ? 591430;1396101471;ThickAsThieves;how will we protect ATC from such a fate? 591431;1396101481;mircea_popescu;this is a pretty good q. 591432;1396101493;kakobrekla;merged mining with btc :( 591433;1396101496;mircea_popescu;my own thinking is that if we keep a reasonable floor under it it'll never be productive 591434;1396101551;ThickAsThieves;i dont think it could be protected really 591435;1396101551;mircea_popescu;in general the best way to reduce irrational behaviour is to control volatility. 591436;1396101558;mircea_popescu;kinda the original thinking behind central banks at any rate 591437;1396101569;ThickAsThieves;all it would take is one btc farm to point at it 591438;1396101579;kakobrekla;go ahead and try to attack 'nmc' 591439;1396101583;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves yes, but why would they ? not worth it. 591440;1396101594;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla what about it ? 591441;1396101609;kakobrekla;well, its much much harder than atc 591442;1396101617;ThickAsThieves;so basically we cant let it bubble either 591443;1396101626;ThickAsThieves;or itll draw attention 591444;1396101656;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves indeed. this baby will do a bunch if firsts. 591445;1396101664;mircea_popescu;first altcoin not premined, first altcoin not allowed to bubble, etc. 591446;1396101668;ThickAsThieves;time for the Altcoin Central Bank to make a trading bot 591447;1396101681;mircea_popescu;i thought that's why i wrote bingoboingo. 591448;1396101682;kakobrekla;how can you 'not allow' it to bubble 591449;1396101687;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla by selling. 591450;1396101690;ThickAsThieves;yep 591451;1396101704;ThickAsThieves;large holders need to give it up when it's time 591452;1396101707;kakobrekla;you cant sell enough if the things wants to bubble 591453;1396101712;mircea_popescu;try me. 591454;1396101730;ThickAsThieves;a new floor might be reached in the process 591455;1396101739;ThickAsThieves;but trying alone will help 591456;1396101748;mircea_popescu;economy may be a social science, but finance is totally an art. 591457;1396101755;kakobrekla;its math, i dont need to try you 591458;1396101762;mircea_popescu;:) 591459;1396101784;mircea_popescu;math is only the bus ticket taking you to the concert. 591460;1396101802;ThickAsThieves;"SchellingCoin: A Minimal-Trust Universal Data Feed" 591461;1396101805;kakobrekla;thats fine, i hate concerts. 591462;1396101837;mircea_popescu;it's gotten to where i can no longer discern parody from reality. 591463;1396101840;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you made that shit up baby ? 591464;1396101857;ThickAsThieves;ive said as much before, for years 591465;1396101898;ThickAsThieves;or are you asking me about SchellingCoin? 591466;1396101912;ThickAsThieves;it's a fukn Ethereum thing 591467;1396101944;ThickAsThieves;i cant look at any one line without pain 591468;1396101947;ThickAsThieves;"The main idea here is called “hedging”, and is best explained in the context of Bitcoin" 591469;1396102000;mircea_popescu;the schelling i was asking about yea 591470;1396102012;ThickAsThieves;http://www.coindesk.com/court-grants-order-freeze-hashfasts-bitcoin-wallets/ 591471;1396102021;ThickAsThieves;freeze the maths! 591472;1396102027;kakobrekla;dafuq 591473;1396102037;mircea_popescu;lolwut 591474;1396102043;mircea_popescu;aaahahahaa 591475;1396102052;kakobrekla;A court in Fort Worth, Texas, has granted a temporary restraining order to freeze the bitcoin wallets of ASIC mining hardware manufacturer HashFast Technologies LLC and HashFast LLC, after a customer claimed it failed to deliver hardware on time or negotiate a refund. 591476;1396102064;ThickAsThieves;“It speaks to the legitimacy of cryptocurrencies and a growing understanding of their value and importance to businesses.” 591477;1396102067;ThickAsThieves;the pains 591478;1396102074;mircea_popescu;The complaint, which has a Background section with the question What the heck is a Bitcoin? also contains an attachment of 30 pages of bitcointalk forum discussion detailing the history of the story from July-August 2013. 591479;1396102106;mircea_popescu;ok, i guess it's announcement time : mpex will not be honoring the forth worth court order, or any similar instrument drawn by any court. 591480;1396102115;kakobrekla;why so quick to jump the gun on this while bfl can shit in peoples mouth for years now 591481;1396102128;mircea_popescu;any bitcoins received as specified by mpex will be fully credited to the depositor in any and all circumstances. 591482;1396102147;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 830 @ 0.00084575 = 0.702 BTC [-] {6} 591483;1396102172;ThickAsThieves;so now courts need to learn to freeze teh geepeegees 591484;1396102190;mircea_popescu;courts need to learn the limits of their jurisdiction, preferably. 591485;1396102208;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 170 @ 0.00084036 = 0.1429 BTC [-] {4} 591486;1396102209;mircea_popescu;"At the time of the order, on 1st October 2013, 1 BTC was worth around $126." 591487;1396102213;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough... 591488;1396102279;ThickAsThieves;would it be fair to stop assigning a USD value in cases of stolen coins? 591489;1396102284;ThickAsThieves;1 btc = 1btc 591490;1396102298;ThickAsThieves;what is owed is 1 btc 591491;1396102308;ThickAsThieves;etc 591492;1396102309;mircea_popescu;in this court, yes. 591493;1396102312;mircea_popescu;in a fiat court, never. 591494;1396102344;mircea_popescu;anyway, im off to scream at people who are entitled to their own opinions (over my dead body). bbl. 591495;1396102435;kakobrekla;ahaah 591496;1396102436;kakobrekla;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Egvl9VqgE 591497;1396102453;kakobrekla;i guess this guy did even worse than me 591498;1396102453;ThickAsThieves;lol 591499;1396102894;ThickAsThieves;so AM didnt pay any divs this week? 591500;1396102908;ThickAsThieves;yet they got their first wafers on the 22nd 591501;1396102924;ThickAsThieves;oh i see 591502;1396102930;ThickAsThieves;"The engineering batch of packaged chips will be out in March 28th. After that we can immediately start testing on functionality and power consumption." 591503;1396103011;ThickAsThieves;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bKnU7W0YjEs/Ump234VWbOI/AAAAAAAAHRw/83ay9umkSHE/s1600/skeletor.jpg 591504;1396103021;VanCleef;no divs from now on 591505;1396103024;VanCleef;:( 591506;1396103384;Mats_cd03;http://nationalreport.net/bill-murray-stops-bank-robbery-tokyo-accidentally/ 591507;1396103385;ozbot;Bill Murray Stops Bank Robbery In Tokyo, Accidentally - National Report | National Report 591508;1396103400;Mats_cd03;“We love Bill Murray very much in our country, he is very funny man” 591509;1396103409;Mats_cd03;huhuhu 591510;1396103436;VanCleef;should have been a scene in lost in translation 591511;1396103672;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00094095 = 12.7499 BTC [-] 591512;1396103855;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00094321 = 27.919 BTC [+] {4} 591513;1396104587;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1319 @ 0.00094458 = 1.2459 BTC [+] 591514;1396105324;moiety;good aftermewn 591515;1396105441;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 52 @ 0.05976153 = 3.1076 BTC [-] {5} 591516;1396105563;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59269707 BTC [+] 591517;1396105571;Mats_cd03;good afternoon cuties 591518;1396105614;VanCleef;hey sexy 591519;1396105834;moiety;hows everyone's weekend going? 591520;1396106417;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59376997 = 1.1875 BTC [+] {2} 591521;1396106661;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59484288 BTC [+] 591522;1396106723;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59495089 BTC [+] 591523;1396106799;jurov;moiety, i'm at bitcoin hackathon... but dunno if such activity suits me 591524;1396106943;bounce;so whatchu haxx0rin? 591525;1396106996;moiety;jurov: not having fun? is there a fair bit of folk there? 591526;1396107045;bounce;.oO( lots of the fair folk ) 591527;1396107130;moiety;lol // or is this the online thing? 591528;1396107629;jurov;no, offline in hackerspace here 591529;1396107687;jurov;but my hard of hearing ears are failing me again, i need one or few people talk directly to me, not scattered talking across the room 591530;1396107716;VanCleef;wow havelock is such a fail 591531;1396107807;jurov;did sth happen besides neobee? 591532;1396107881;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59495089 BTC [+] 591533;1396108007;VanCleef;just slow as ass 591534;1396108113;VanCleef;i could punch by monitor go out and buy a new one and it would still be loading 591535;1396108116;VanCleef;pos 591536;1396108186;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59495089 BTC [+] 591537;1396108247;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52610001 = 1.0522 BTC [-] 591538;1396108369;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52610001 BTC [-] 591539;1396108430;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52610001 = 1.0522 BTC [-] 591540;1396108431;moiety;oh i found it jurov, just hit the bar... it accepts btc lol 591541;1396108468;moiety;i don't recommend it VanCleef lol using a plug in monitor is such a pain 591542;1396108491;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52610001 = 1.0522 BTC [-] 591543;1396108533;moiety;why is it so slow VanCleef? 591544;1396108555;VanCleef;bunch of shit cunts 591545;1396108558;VanCleef;that's why 591546;1396108582;VanCleef;probably becaouse of am news 591547;1396108613;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.52610001 = 5.261 BTC [-] {2} 591548;1396108633;VanCleef;hope that was me 591549;1396108674;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.52610001 = 3.6827 BTC [-] {2} 591550;1396108735;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.59523285 = 4.7619 BTC [+] {4} 591551;1396108747;VanCleef;sweet i got the 52's 591552;1396108760;*;VanCleef punches monitor anyway 591553;1396108773;moiety;lol ^ 591554;1396108796;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44023839 BTC to 4`859 shares, 50221 satoshi per share 591555;1396108857;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60720341 BTC [+] 591556;1396108979;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.54 = 1.62 BTC [-] 591557;1396109273;dexX7;am @ 0.54? ouch 591558;1396109711;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6074 = 1.2148 BTC [+] 591559;1396109760;Mats_cd03;bet itll go to 0.49 by tomorrow 591560;1396109764;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5959710#msg5959710 591561;1396109765;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings 591562;1396109767;kakobrekla;lel wtf is this 591563;1396109831;VanCleef;http://guardianlv.com/2014/01/ageing-successfully-reversed-in-mice-human-trials-to-begin-next/ 591564;1396109862;Diablo-D3;nice 591565;1396109971;artifexd;Friedcat says the chips work. Price goes down. /confused 591566;1396109984;artifexd;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5967983#msg5967983 591567;1396109986;ozbot;ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It 591568;1396110025;VanCleef;what i think happened artifexd is that the page is choking up so much and people are in a panic to buy that they accidently confusing buy with sell instead 591569;1396110077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00093949 = 3.1943 BTC [-] 591570;1396110081;Mats_cd03;...lol 591571;1396110565;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.609 BTC [+] 591572;1396110745;dexX7;hey nubbins`, do you still have the "friedcat for president" picture somewhere? :) 591573;1396111084;nubbins`;ah! that actually wasn't mine 591574;1396111091;nubbins`;the one with granny blades, ya mean? 591575;1396111236;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.611 BTC [+] 591576;1396111253;dexX7;yea 591577;1396111277;dexX7;http://www.asicminercharts.com/Friedcat4President.big.jpg 591578;1396111527;nubbins`;that was the inspiration for the shirts i did :D 591579;1396111560;dexX7;hehe i see :)) 591580;1396111602;dexX7;must be almost a year ago now 591581;1396111645;*;VanCleef chants "4 more years, 4 more years." 591582;1396111747;nubbins`;june 2013 591583;1396111785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00597555 = 0.1076 BTC [+] {4} 591584;1396111815;pankkake;my friedcat shirt is already damaged 591585;1396111816;pankkake;scam 591586;1396112016;dexX7;well anyway. is havelock going up in flames or was the issue yesterday related to neo? 591587;1396112134;nubbins`;pankkake that's what happens if you wear it every day ;( 591588;1396112151;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00609199 = 0.1401 BTC [+] {5} 591589;1396112161;nubbins`;!t h neobee 591590;1396112162;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00185115 / 0.00207973 / 0.00242900 (6781 shares, 14.10264829 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.00245529 / 0.00328800 (115967 shares, 284.73313362 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00357882 / 0.00567777 (513634 shares, 1838.20473331 BTC) 591591;1396112173;nubbins`;! 591592;1396112200;dexX7;trading was frozen 591593;1396112207;dexX7;or still is, not sure 591594;1396112212;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61599 BTC [+] 591595;1396112273;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61592499 = 2.4637 BTC [-] {3} 591596;1396112282;VanCleef;yeh neobee still frozen 591597;1396112334;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0449 = 0.1796 BTC [+] {2} 591598;1396112335;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.61825499 = 6.1825 BTC [+] {6} 591599;1396112336;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.006099 = 0.122 BTC [+] 591600;1396112337;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00739898 = 0.7399 BTC [-] {3} 591601;1396112395;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00609964 = 0.3782 BTC [+] {3} 591602;1396112396;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.62634867 = 12.527 BTC [+] {8} 591603;1396112397;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00094208 = 5.3228 BTC [+] 591604;1396112517;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 180 @ 0.00609998 = 1.098 BTC [+] {4} 591605;1396112518;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06948434 = 0.6948 BTC [+] {2} 591606;1396112822;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 163 @ 0.00609999 = 0.9943 BTC [-] {3} 591607;1396112944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.00609999 = 0.3111 BTC [-] {2} 591608;1396113005;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00609999 = 0.61 BTC [-] {3} 591609;1396113066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.056425 = 0.1129 BTC [+] {2} 591610;1396113067;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 47 @ 0.00609999 = 0.2867 BTC [-] 591611;1396113127;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 76 @ 0.0061 = 0.4636 BTC [+] {2} 591612;1396113128;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62688333 = 1.8806 BTC [+] {2} 591613;1396113249;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19192 @ 0.00094393 = 18.1159 BTC [+] {4} 591614;1396113310;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.62835386 = 8.1686 BTC [+] {4} 591615;1396113859;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62893889 = 1.2579 BTC [+] {2} 591616;1396114164;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.045 = 0.135 BTC [+] 591617;1396114286;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.63809121 = 19.1427 BTC [+] {7} 591618;1396114316;mircea_popescu;i muxed the who ? 591619;1396114333;mircea_popescu;i need someone to translate the forum for the people who normally translate the forum for me ;/ 591620;1396114390;dexX7;wat 591621;1396114408;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.64506666 = 1.9352 BTC [+] {2} 591622;1396114467;mircea_popescu;"Yeah, come at me gobment bro! Ahm behind 7 proxies! MPEX got an anthrax email from NSA but he muxed it to double sideband at a lower baud rate and now he's in ur base, killing ur d00dz." 591623;1396114469;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6467996 = 6.468 BTC [+] 591624;1396114472;mircea_popescu;anyone's guess 591625;1396114535;asciilifeform;'mux' - multiplexer 591626;1396114538;dexX7;haha 591627;1396114571;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, i know that part. 591628;1396114580;asciilifeform;http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Double-sideband_suppressed-carrier_transmission.html 591629;1396114580;ozbot;Double-sideband suppressed-carrier transmission 591630;1396114588;mircea_popescu;that's the problem, the words taken disparate work, but somehow they've been put in a soup that fails to anything 591631;1396114603;asciilifeform;nth generation 'xerox' of a 'ham radio' joke 591632;1396114612;mircea_popescu;oh 591633;1396114640;asciilifeform;probably from a hollywood flick 591634;1396114645;mircea_popescu;but... DSB-SC is about lower power 591635;1396114650;mircea_popescu;baud rate dun enter into it 591636;1396114665;mircea_popescu;well technically better coverage i guess, since your power's your power. 591637;1396114674;asciilifeform;in hollywood, they appear to use 'shannonizers' to write technical dialogu 591638;1396114674;asciilifeform;e 591639;1396114680;asciilifeform;and get pieces like this. 591640;1396114689;mircea_popescu;ic 591641;1396114722;asciilifeform;where'd the turd come from? 591642;1396114740;mircea_popescu;le forum 591643;1396114744;asciilifeform;aha 591644;1396114746;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5959710#msg5959710 591645;1396114747;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings 591646;1396114784;asciilifeform;loltron 591647;1396114931;dexX7;wait. you are herp? 591648;1396114947;dexX7;ah nvm 591649;1396114949;blackwhite;hola gents 591650;1396114954;mircea_popescu;ello 591651;1396114960;dexX7;hi 591652;1396115010;tg2;Lol hashfast 591653;1396115036;tg2;I told you guys, they aren't even building their own hardware 591654;1396115128;tg2;I know the owner of the company who is assembling their hardware 591655;1396115151;asciilifeform;very few people do assembly in-house 591656;1396115155;dexX7;^ 591657;1396115194;asciilifeform;not that 'vertical integration' is unheard of, but it rarely makes sense for a small electronics firm to buy pick'n'place apparatus, ovens, etc. 591658;1396115206;tg2;I could go over there and jack all their units 591659;1396115220;tg2;But there aren't any lol 591660;1396115267;tg2;Anyway, waiting for alpha-t to get sued into the ground 591661;1396115278;asciilifeform;one can get a pick'n'placer for $20-40K (USD), but it isn't magic - someone clueful has to run it 591662;1396115307;asciilifeform;like any machine tool, really. 591663;1396115326;asciilifeform;even the fabled '3d printer' 591664;1396115334;asciilifeform;tends to piss itself half the time, if left alone. 591665;1396115384;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00618023 = 0.1421 BTC [+] {5} 591666;1396115516;dexX7;related: i was approached by hashfast last year to be a forum shill with a payment of $15/hour in babyjet credits - i declined 591667;1396115628;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.64788461 = 8.4225 BTC [+] {2} 591668;1396115689;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00619694 = 0.409 BTC [+] {9} 591669;1396115750;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00619998 = 1.24 BTC [+] 591670;1396115811;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6554 = 6.554 BTC [+] {4} 591671;1396115812;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00619998 = 1.86 BTC [+] 591672;1396116055;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2909 @ 0.00094573 = 2.7511 BTC [+] 591673;1396116136;Duffer1;i'm not even a little surprised 591674;1396116401;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/heres-an-idea-for-you/ 591675;1396116402;ozbot;Here’s an idea for you pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 591676;1396116466;mircea_popescu;dexX7 you know, judging by the perpetual X is paid by MPEx "discoveries", "research" and so forth on the forum, im starting to suspect i may be the only one not doing this. 591677;1396116488;mircea_popescu;too quickly they think of it for them to not be doing it. 591678;1396116505;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: one can buy marine radar domes quite small enough to fit on a car. 591679;1396116538;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, but i would imagine a better adjusted thing may be developed. 591680;1396116546;mircea_popescu;i mean, marine radar is not biased for concrete say 591681;1396116566;asciilifeform;i vaguely recall that a recent mercedes has radar of some form 591682;1396116595;kakobrekla;it doesnt work very well 591683;1396116646;mircea_popescu;they've been toying with "assisted parking" for quite a while. 591684;1396116665;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.66905732 = 14.7193 BTC [+] {7} 591685;1396116666;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06939704 = 0.2082 BTC [-] {2} 591686;1396116667;mircea_popescu;anyway, whosoever gets anywhere even near a deliverable with this tyhing is getting bought out in short order, and in the higher millions. 591687;1396116687;asciilifeform;afaik, the only parking-related car widget worth mentioning is that japanese mod where all four wheels turn 591688;1396116699;asciilifeform;moving the car sideways 591689;1396116726;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6747038 BTC [+] 591690;1396116743;mircea_popescu;that and the tentacles. 591691;1396116752;asciilifeform;bought out in short order, and in the higher millions << might be a little problem once the car behind/in front/side of yours has emitters 591692;1396116785;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, you polarize the lasers, you use modulated radar, there's solutions 591693;1396116811;asciilifeform;then you get folks who go 'well, if we're already broadcasting, let's make exact position radio mandatory, like lights' 591694;1396116814;kakobrekla;mux it to lower band rate? 591695;1396116825;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla exactly! 591696;1396116844;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah well, the perennial possibility of idiots does not really constitute a counterargument. 591697;1396116857;mircea_popescu;i never hear anyone propose abstinence on the grounds that fucking may become obligatory otherwise. 591698;1396116865;asciilifeform;lol 591699;1396116868;mircea_popescu;:D 591700;1396116872;mircea_popescu;and yet it has! 591701;1396116878;tg2;I had one idea for a car invention 591702;1396116882;asciilifeform;anyone recall the widget the americans used in vietnam, that picked up rf noise from cars? 591703;1396116906;tg2;Proximity sensors on the end of your doors and hydraulic inhibitors on the door hinges 591704;1396116917;tg2;So your door doesn't open into somebody's car 591705;1396116925;tg2;it would stop just before 591706;1396116942;asciilifeform;tg2: that, or rubber bumpers. 591707;1396116950;mircea_popescu;rubber bumps sounds cheaperr 591708;1396116955;tg2;Nope this is sans contact 591709;1396116963;tg2;And it stops before 591710;1396116980;mircea_popescu;if anyone's seen cars in like rome etc... the even cheaper alternative would be "people stop giving a shit about scratches" 591711;1396116983;tg2;Not putting rubber door bumpers on my 150,000 merc 591712;1396117000;mircea_popescu;latin america is like that too 591713;1396117012;asciilifeform;i've always thought it odd, that no one, lambo or trambo, makes a car with standardized panels for the outside 591714;1396117019;asciilifeform;which one could unbolt and swap at one's leisure 591715;1396117019;mircea_popescu;no car contains a flat surface of as much as a square inch 591716;1396117036;asciilifeform;they needn't be flat and rigid 591717;1396117044;tg2;If it can be done with backup proximity sensors 591718;1396117051;tg2;That technology is already nature 591719;1396117067;tg2;Subsurface too now 591720;1396117070;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually even since the japanese have been working on their female android women replacements, i've been thinking "they'll make cars out of that skin material just as soon as possible" 591721;1396117080;asciilifeform;lol! 591722;1396117092;tg2;They have scratch repairing paint already 591723;1396117097;tg2;nissan invented it 591724;1396117116;asciilifeform;anyone have the ancient link to the piece re: korean students who go through 2-3 of the 'androids' per year? 591725;1396117121;moiety;they need robot women replacements with all the people like karpeles going over and buying their women 591726;1396117154;mircea_popescu;moiety think about all the time this is saving you. 591727;1396117159;mircea_popescu;kitchen robots were nothing. 591728;1396117205;*;moiety is happy with a toaster, you know this ;P 591729;1396117286;mircea_popescu;"even a blind toaster can pinch a careless nipple", or how did that russian proverb go 591730;1396117369;asciilifeform;'Social skills will decline markedly after the advent of sex robots, much like the way electronic calculators degraded arithmetic skills. Because sex robots will finally allow men to be themselves. This will make men even less desirable to real women than they are already, driving men to seek solace with sex robots even more. The cycle will be vicious and I cant wait for it to start.' 591731;1396117376;moiety;lolololol 591732;1396117379;asciilifeform;(infamous usenet sage - http://www.myrsky.net/danimal-archive-part-8/index.html) 591733;1396117416;moiety;i dont know any russian proverbs unless manuls are involved 591734;1396117514;mircea_popescu;i dunno about that, tbh. if anything, it'll remove a lot of pressure to perform from the mishoden, dysfunctional male humans, which'll make it so much better for the healthy. 591735;1396117523;asciilifeform;'Some women might, however, choose to coexist with sexbots, just as some European women as they get older tolerate their husbands taking up with younger mistresses. The aging wife gets to keep her status and her stable home. She has all the trappings of marriage, but she no longer functions as her husbands sexual outlet.' 591736;1396117528;mircea_popescu;take sports : a sport that's popular is annoying because all the inept idiots insist to play it. 591737;1396117536;mircea_popescu;a sport that's not popular is usually a lot more fun 591738;1396117554;moietybot;MOTD http://i.imgur.com/gdAGwfl.jpg 591739;1396117564;mircea_popescu;moietybot should be known as moietybooty 591740;1396117580;mircea_popescu;lol 591741;1396117590;moiety;LOL mircea_popescu i dont think i have a big enough arse to qualify 591742;1396117597;mircea_popescu;so work it girl! 591743;1396117606;asciilifeform;moietybot: someone ought to cross-breed manul with the argentinian 'colocolo' - to get a thicker-yet beast 591744;1396117623;mircea_popescu;or with an eagle. 591745;1396117625;mircea_popescu;to give it wings. 591746;1396117643;mircea_popescu;imagine! flying manul. 591747;1396117650;moiety;i just want one big enough to ride around on, is that so much to ask? 591748;1396117656;asciilifeform;most 'felis' can actually cross. 591749;1396117667;moiety;omg stuff your flying japanese girl covered cars, i want a flying manul! 591750;1396117668;asciilifeform;e.g. african 'serval' and housecat 591751;1396117670;mircea_popescu;moiety would you ride around on it naked holding a spear ? 591752;1396117677;moiety;so much YES 591753;1396117683;ThickAsThieves;<mircea_popescu> http://trilema.com/2014/heres-an-idea-for-you/ --- Futura is my favorite typeface, but the world seems to be catching on 591754;1396117689;mircea_popescu;we could call it "the walk of the moieties" 591755;1396117690;moiety;wait, can i has a crossbow? 591756;1396117703;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well it also depends on the application imo 591757;1396117712;asciilifeform;'The in-laws wont be as much of a problem either because the male in-laws will be preoccupied with sexbots of their own, therefore they will have less time on their hands to spend meddling in the lives of their relatives. At family gatherings, the men will gather around to trade sexbot programs, while the women will gather to complain about the mens sexbots. Or may women will play with their catbots and 591758;1396117712;asciilifeform;be happy, while their Oprah-bots listen to them talk about their problems and simulate interest.' 591759;1396117721;mircea_popescu;but what do i know, my interaction with typo design was limited to being the phb for a few years. 591760;1396117747;jurov;moiety crossbow is fine as long as you don't wear armor with duck-beaked helmet 591761;1396117752;ThickAsThieves;it's certainly got more character than Helvetica 591762;1396117757;ThickAsThieves;no pun intended 591763;1396117761;mircea_popescu;helvetica is overblown. 591764;1396117780;mircea_popescu;jurov duck beaked helmet isn't so bad... 591765;1396117801;mircea_popescu;maybe she could have mmorpg style armor : something to protect her pubic bone and something on her shoulders. 591766;1396117814;mircea_popescu;because we all know that's where armor is really needed. 591767;1396117818;moiety;jurov, nah im not getting clothes so its cool 591768;1396117842;moiety;actually, pubic bones... yeah what mircea_popescu said 591769;1396117861;jurov;http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/raharnett/Armor/1%20to%201%20Armored%20ladies/Best%20of%20Fantaghiro%20550%20wide/m_m_Fantaghiro154_kl.jpg avoided 591770;1396117865;mircea_popescu;moiety armor where the hair grows. it's how the greeks did it... 591771;1396117894;moiety;asciilifeform: jeez... these wee buggers have stripey legs....are you trying to make me have no free time at all?! http://cdn2.arkive.org/media/C4/C40A617A-375F-4208-9D7E-B2EB473F867D/Presentation.Large/Pampas-cat-.jpg 591772;1396117917;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/dc2043f30877570e1ccc2451e97cce1a/tumblr_n2psavBj7c1qdzsj9o1_500.jpg 591773;1396117923;mircea_popescu;that looks uncomfortable enough... 591774;1396117943;moiety;looks chilly to me 591775;1396117949;moiety;i do live in scotland 591776;1396117965;moiety;but.. manuls are soooo fluffy... compensation?! 591777;1396117975;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3pskvGwyE1rvykkqo1_500.jpg 591778;1396117979;mircea_popescu;somewhat derpier. 591779;1396118011;mircea_popescu;ok, ok, this one you'll prolly like : http://25.media.tumblr.com/e854664589be0afcb7ee9410996a2149/tumblr_mthdk6921q1reohnuo1_500.jpg 591780;1396118105;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/13295acff0139c305bbddf582bb1065f/tumblr_n2a1vkaRIu1s0wwqso1_500.jpg << and this could be your accountant/pass through operator / travel arrangements arranger. 591781;1396118160;asciilifeform;'If the worlds most beautiful women want to be gold-diggers, thats their right. It doesnt humiliate me. It merely establishes what I would have to obtain (namely, wealth and fame) if I wanted to bang some of those women. The actual women, that is. Technology may provide an easier alternative. And a more intellectually satisfying alternative too.' 591782;1396118194;asciilifeform;'Its interesting to consider which genders ideal can be realized first with technology. It should be a lot easier for technology to simulate Howard Sterns girlfriend (for the satisfaction of men) than for technology to simulate Howard Stern (for the satisfaction of women). With Howard Stern, the salient feature is the success, and the relative status. If every man had a $500 million satellite radio co 591783;1396118194;asciilifeform;ntract, they would all be merely average again in the eyes of women. (Consider that the average US working stiff is fantastically wealthy in Medieval terms, but modern US women have simply raised their materialistic requirements commensurately.) 591784;1396118194;asciilifeform;With Howard Sterns girlfriend, the salient features are absolute: her looks and her receptive behavior. If every woman looked similarly good, and behaved as adoringly toward the average working stiff, they would still look good. (A man can test this hypothesis by viewing photographs of thousands of attractive women. Even after massive, pervasive exposure, they still look good. In fact, pornography can be un 591785;1396118198;asciilifeform;derstood as an attempt by men to democratize the experience of enjoying beautiful women. So far, technology hasnt been up to the taskactual beautiful women are still betterbut technology will keep improving.)' 591786;1396118203;mircea_popescu;sigh. they're not gold diggers ffs. 591787;1396118207;asciilifeform;(last turd. anyone who wants more can visit the site) 591788;1396118217;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/sa-facem-o-regula/ 591789;1396118218;ozbot;Sa facem o regula pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 591790;1396118229;mircea_popescu;sadly, in romanian. but apparently same problems exist in english too 591791;1396118269;mircea_popescu;" With Howard Stern, the salient feature is the success, and the relative status." god help us. that's the salient feature ? 591792;1396118269;asciilifeform;incidentally, this fellow, afaik, was not a psychiatric case himself, but for some reason enjoyed trolling usenet groups full of such 591793;1396118287;asciilifeform;'alt.support.sad' whatever 591794;1396118295;mircea_popescu;good troll then. 591795;1396118306;asciilifeform;one of the best that ever lived, imho 591796;1396118309;mircea_popescu;and no, the avg working stiff is by no means richer than the average medieval iobag 591797;1396118311;mircea_popescu;not by a long shot. 591798;1396118313;moiety;i'd totally wear these http://img1.etsystatic.com/041/1/7659305/il_340x270.507047681_66jn.jpg and http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mHOZ9IRxq8LqUrOY5U6Fa8g.jpg 591799;1396118318;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform name ? 591800;1396118333;mircea_popescu;moiety you ever been in a corset ? 591801;1396118333;asciilifeform;dan mocsny 591802;1396118346;mircea_popescu;not a corselet/bodice/otherbs. 591803;1396118354;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sounds hungarian. 591804;1396118371;asciilifeform;afaik he's still alive, somewhere in ohio (u.s.) but only posts to groups re: competitive bicycling 591805;1396118386;asciilifeform;as to when is the next race, etc. 591806;1396118392;moiety;not a proper, someone else laces you in at the back one. mine had bones but laced up both sides instead 591807;1396118397;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so invite him over! 591808;1396118419;mircea_popescu;moiety yeah. they're not that comfortable to wear, esp for teh noob/peasant girl that wasn't raised with them. 591809;1396118425;mircea_popescu;that metal thing is that much less forgiving 591810;1396118452;moiety;looks cool tho 591811;1396118464;mircea_popescu;sure. pain usually looks cool on women. 591812;1396118476;mircea_popescu;honest signal. 591813;1396118481;asciilifeform;https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=alt.support.shyness/asmq8JHi00E/tKRODrKPI5UJ 591814;1396118503;asciilifeform;(apologies for the line noise) 591815;1396118535;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5wojc4dWL1rrf2v2o3_250.jpg 591816;1396118540;mircea_popescu;what better way to spend a summer 591817;1396118549;mircea_popescu;than cooking your boobs 591818;1396118571;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hmm, i should be on alt.support.shyness. 591819;1396118571;Mats_cd03;meow 591820;1396118572;asciilifeform;and if you need to cook something else, take the parabolic reflectors off and prop in the sun. 591821;1396118591;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: idk if that snakepit still exists 591822;1396118602;asciilifeform;this crap is very ancient history 591823;1396118623;asciilifeform;then again, a usenet group can never really die 591824;1396118629;asciilifeform;like a soviet satellite in 'graveyard orbit' 591825;1396118678;asciilifeform;much of usenet is, unfortunately, parked in graveyard orbit. 591826;1396118685;mircea_popescu;pretty much yeah afaik 591827;1396118739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 646 @ 0.00631207 = 4.0776 BTC [+] {10} 591828;1396118766;moiety;<mircea_popescu> than cooking your boobs << lmfao 591829;1396118773;asciilifeform;herr mocsny was once called an 'intellectual father' of the 'pua' folks. 591830;1396118859;moiety;whatever happened to people liking other people for who they were? have i been under a rock too long? 591831;1396118861;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 600 @ 0.00649968 = 3.8998 BTC [+] {2} 591832;1396118903;mircea_popescu;moiety show me people who ARE something and i'll consider it. 591833;1396118932;blackwhite;so complicated 591834;1396118990;benkay;morning 591835;1396119004;bitcoinpete;morning 591836;1396119010;blackwhite;morning ben 591837;1396119013;benkay;met more crazy people 591838;1396119020;benkay;why ams bitcoinfolk so insane? 591839;1396119029;moiety;it depends what makes a person someone for you though. there arent enuogh people with personality now 591840;1396119035;blackwhite;because it attracts the best and the worst kind of people 591841;1396119039;mircea_popescu;^ 591842;1396119045;blackwhite;all the scammers with the ideologists 591843;1396119051;mircea_popescu;the best kinds of people often actually being the worst kinds of people. 591844;1396119068;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/bc0276413c99b37fbff1b0b57bf5d6e9/tumblr_n0rxoeRLA41raeqk4o1_500.jpg 591845;1396119070;moiety;glad to see you made it through the night benkay, did a neighbour pop by to feed you? 591846;1396119070;benkay;"entrepreneurs" 591847;1396119075;mircea_popescu;epic fucking boots already. 591848;1396119107;moiety;I want the sword :( 591849;1396119116;moiety;for my collection 591850;1396119128;asciilifeform;that sword probably weighs more than the girl. 591851;1396119136;mircea_popescu;yeah it's a decent bastard isn't it 591852;1396119141;moiety;ikr 591853;1396119158;moiety;bet my hattori is sharper tho :P 591854;1396119164;asciilifeform;archaelogists love to point out how lightweight most actual, historical armaments were. 591855;1396119176;asciilifeform;compared with theatrical junk 591856;1396119195;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, actual weapons exist to not be seen, but used. thatrical stuff the converse. 591857;1396119197;blackwhite;i just like the girl fuck all the other stuff 591858;1396119204;asciilifeform;correct 591859;1396119212;mircea_popescu;blackwhite you're not perverse enough to be here then! 591860;1396119248;asciilifeform;;;google an officer without a sword is improperly dressed 591861;1396119249;gribble;Jack Churchill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill>; Badass of the Week: Jack Churchill: <http://badassoftheweek.com/churchill.html>; Any Officer Who Goes Into Action Without His Sword is Improperly ...: <http://www.damninteresting.com/any-officer-who-goes-into-action-without-his-sword-is-improperly-dressed/> 591862;1396119266;benkay;the girl is boring 591863;1396119272;benkay;everything is boring 591864;1396119272;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/e9dd3e0186471f51567b587874520eec/tumblr_mymc7r98ai1rlitzfo1_500.jpg << now we know where benkay cooked his breakfast dinner. 591865;1396119274;benkay;i am hungover 591866;1396119288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.0009467 = 11.9284 BTC [+] {2} 591867;1396119297;benkay;wat 591868;1396119329;bitcoinpete;and it's portland so there's no sun 591869;1396119369;benkay;no there you're wrong 591870;1396119379;benkay;for these current ten minutes there is sun 591871;1396119379;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/2a10ba9ae434659a77f1cfcbe1ec2c4f/tumblr_mz62od0Ovm1sdxszuo5_500.jpg ok, better girl, smaller sword. 591872;1396119383;mircea_popescu;is that some wakizashi ? 591873;1396119393;benkay;we have a crazy microclimate that's always flipping and flopping through various precipitation states 591874;1396119395;benkay;local chaos zone 591875;1396119404;benkay;mmm. reds. 591876;1396119469;benkay;so hey are we distinguishing between incompetence and malice in Bitcoin these days, mircea_popescu ? 591877;1396119489;benkay;i was under the impression everything just got lumped under 'scam' 591878;1396119492;asciilifeform;incompetence + persistence ~= malice. 591879;1396119505;mircea_popescu;ha! good eq. 591880;1396119528;mircea_popescu;"sufficiently persistent incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." 591881;1396119551;moiety;i'd say this http://funniesandhunnies.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/image_9.jpg 591882;1396119582;benkay;is that you and your daikatana, moiety ? 591883;1396119586;assbot;Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1763472/plain/) 591884;1396119586;asciilifeform;!b 4 591885;1396119614;mircea_popescu;benkay no, it's her and her loubotin sandals. the sword's a prop. 591886;1396119641;moiety;lolnope i have a hattori hunting as my pride and joy, i'd love one though.. plus i am the same colour as paper 591887;1396119659;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/f9f30e28541c33bfea61fa7858deae49/tumblr_n22osz6Ym91rlitzfo1_500.jpg 591888;1396119837;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06894998 = 0.6895 BTC [+] {2} 591889;1396119842;moiety;i'd take the dog too 591890;1396119959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23448 @ 0.00094684 = 22.2015 BTC [+] {3} 591891;1396120499;mircea_popescu;andyfletcher btw, get in the wot will you. 591892;1396120705;tg2;You guys blade heads? 591893;1396120951;andyfletcher;mircea_popescu, am on wot just wasn't authenticated 591894;1396121038;tg2;;;ident andyfletcher 591895;1396121038;gribble;Nick 'andyfletcher', with hostmask 'andyfletcher!~andy@unaffiliated/uksv29', is identified as user 'andyfletcher', with GPG key id 502409E67767E3C6, key fingerprint 7104459391233F576A31B5CD502409E67767E3C6, and bitcoin address 17fZJ7UNTTxA2hrPLFvuNHbBnqpXJ31GB6 591896;1396121064;*;andyfletcher grins "Is me" 591897;1396121071;mircea_popescu;o hey :) 591898;1396121714;mircea_popescu;nice new pic bitcoinpete 591899;1396121777;bitcoinpete;mircea_popescu the alt-twitter one? 591900;1396121842;mircea_popescu;ya 591901;1396121861;bitcoinpete;ty. it's actually slightly older 591902;1396121902;bitcoinpete;i just thought your car-minded piece was better directed at my car-minded followers 591903;1396121932;bitcoinpete;reading lots of ballas today 591904;1396121953;bitcoinpete;http://www.uq.edu.au/hprcflex/lt2310/sallust1.htm 591905;1396121955;bitcoinpete;latin too 591906;1396122451;jurov;mircea_popescu: withdrawals pls 591907;1396123180;mircea_popescu;jurov on it. 591908;1396123199;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform here's a thought : how about rng based on measuring instantaneous polarisation of Nd:YAG laser ? 591909;1396123231;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: feasible - expensive 591910;1396123244;mircea_popescu;the garnets aren't really that expensive anymore are they ? 591911;1396123253;asciilifeform;and possibly subject to thermal effects 591912;1396123262;mircea_popescu;yes but immune to any em effects 591913;1396123267;mircea_popescu;such that geiger is not 591914;1396123284;asciilifeform;cheaper to have a johnson rng in a shield 591915;1396123306;mircea_popescu;are the aluminium garnets really that expensive still ?! 591916;1396123338;asciilifeform;regardless of what type of rng, analogue portion of circuit must be shielded 591917;1396123346;mircea_popescu;this is true. 591918;1396123496;bitcoinpete;;;ident bitcoinpete 591919;1396123496;gribble;Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is identified as user 'bitcoinpete', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None 591920;1396123499;asciilifeform;lasers also age very dramatically (less the case for semiconductor laser, but remains) 591921;1396123519;asciilifeform;of course, anything ages. geiger tube is good for a few yrs. 591922;1396123559;bitcoinpete;;;rate benkay 1 helped teach me that variety speak 591923;1396123560;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded. 591924;1396123575;mircea_popescu;yeah afaik ss lasers don't age that fast. 591925;1396123718;asciilifeform;a sane rng is always shielded, not only to keep out noise (natural or otherwise) but to avoid broadcasting state. 591926;1396123794;bitcoinpete;;;rate artifexd 1 generously lent btc 591927;1396123796;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user artifexd has been recorded. 591928;1396124692;asciilifeform;http://io.ua/6346977 591929;1396125513;kakobrekla;looper-os.org down ? 591930;1396125519;bounce;re hud and laser rangefinders, IIRC jaguar went on discovery ages ago with something built into the windshield, and ir lamps+imagers. and bmw also did somethingorother along those lines. 591931;1396125543;kakobrekla;eh 591932;1396125546;kakobrekla;loper-os.org 591933;1396125557;kakobrekla;i always think of that looper movie. 591934;1396125627;mircea_popescu;bounce how come nothing much came of it ? 591935;1396125640;mircea_popescu;(ipads aren't particularly innovative eithger, in that strict sense) 591936;1396125693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.006499 = 0.6824 BTC [-] 591937;1396125704;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla seems to be up ? 591938;1396125727;kakobrekla;im getting an error page 591939;1396125821;bounce;don't have details, but could well be a proof of concept thingy, like those concept cars that never go beyond the single prototype made. 591940;1396126015;mircea_popescu;yah maybe 591941;1396126641;moiety;i get an error page too kakobrekla 591942;1396126669;kakobrekla;yeah but for MP it will work even if his net is shut off 591943;1396126740;kakobrekla;we should use him as a proxy 591944;1396126752;moiety;lololol 591945;1396126791;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11949 @ 0.00094524 = 11.2947 BTC [-] {2} 591946;1396126803;moiety;the nfs site is down too 591947;1396126983;mircea_popescu;lol 591948;1396126997;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nao it fails for me too 591949;1396127218;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0064991 = 0.234 BTC [-] {2} 591950;1396127340;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00094699 = 7.7653 BTC [+] 591951;1396127554;moiety;i get a security warning now 591952;1396127660;moiety;they must be mid-fix because the nfs logo works now 591953;1396127669;Dimsler_;maybe someone is trying to steal your buttcoins? 591954;1396128097;moiety;i see havelock's homepage is only updated with the 'good' news and the most up-to-date is buried 591955;1396128137;mircea_popescu;that's how you do pr, according to people who have no qualification, training or experience in the field. 591956;1396128143;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg5962028#msg5962028 591957;1396128144;ozbot;BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC) 591958;1396128150;mircea_popescu;which one of you oops i mean which one of me is that ? 591959;1396128164;kakobrekla;dafuk dat thing is still going 591960;1396128211;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla dat thing is endless. mtgox will be long forgotten 591961;1396128240;mircea_popescu;"I am not publicly broadcasting my business plan due to its unique nature meant to take advantage of the market." 591962;1396128269;*;lnovy giggles 591963;1396128360;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93003.0 591964;1396128361;ozbot;Dank Bank Deposits - dank's soul is claimed - New music Nov 30th 591965;1396128364;mircea_popescu;pretty epic blast from the past 591966;1396128370;mircea_popescu;"Hello, everyone, my name is Dank and I'm here to prove my worthiness as an investment. " 591967;1396128385;mircea_popescu;"By the end of this year, 2012, I believe I will be a highly known guitarist/musician." 591968;1396128403;mircea_popescu;"This time frame may seem unrealistically short, for I have only started playing electric guitar towards the end of August, but recent realizations have led me to believe this is possible." 591969;1396128428;mircea_popescu;"Humans have been evolving exponentially for some time now, with advances in technology and communication lessening the time needed for the same amount of change to occur. Logically, following this pattern, there will come a time when more change happens in an hour than has happened in the last millennium. Through meditation, connecting to a higher consciousness within, and communicating these ideas, I've had the epi 591970;1396128428;mircea_popescu;phany that 2012 is a real event." 591971;1396128432;mircea_popescu;and i have to stop there. 591972;1396128432;kakobrekla;nice logo 591973;1396128440;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla did you notice it has a shadow ? 591974;1396128447;kakobrekla;yep 591975;1396128483;kakobrekla;its better than cognitive, even if it has less colors 591976;1396128498;mircea_popescu;but did you know that dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3d? 591977;1396128529;asciilifeform;'55 minutes ago: After an unplanned maintenance reboot, one of our fileservers did not come back 591978;1396128530;asciilifeform;online. We have people investigating, and in parallel we are rolling a new 591979;1396128530;asciilifeform;server with a backup from about an hour before the reboot.' 591980;1396128534;asciilifeform;(from me hoster) 591981;1396128551;kakobrekla;O_o 591982;1396128560;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 318 @ 0.006499 = 2.0667 BTC [-] 591983;1396128591;kakobrekla;lesson no1. never ever reboot the server. 591984;1396128605;mircea_popescu;servers that are rebooted are not really the same servers anymore. 591985;1396128631;mircea_popescu;anyway, let the log reflect the new coinage "unplanned maintenance reboot". 591986;1396128646;mircea_popescu;"shit joe, reboot it see if it works then" 591987;1396128674;mircea_popescu;the power cycle that's intentional but unexpected. 591988;1396128679;asciilifeform;this happens every few years at nfs corp. but i really love that hoster 591989;1396128683;lnovy;you can fix everything with reboot... from stucked mouse to mysql table corruption... 591990;1396128690;asciilifeform;i don't think it gets any cheaper for low-traffic crap 591991;1396128703;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im sure it's perfectly fine for hosting a blog etc. 591992;1396128708;mircea_popescu;but still very amusing. 591993;1396128710;asciilifeform;that's more or less what people use it for. 591994;1396128727;asciilifeform;it isn't a rack company - all vm, afaik 591995;1396128762;asciilifeform;of course, i post so rarely that perhaps 90% of it is not only in 'google cache' but 'archive.org' 591996;1396128808;mircea_popescu;http://www.27bslash6.com/strata.html 591997;1396128809;ozbot;The ducks in the bathroom are not mine. 591998;1396128813;mircea_popescu;nubbins` ^ 591999;1396128817;mircea_popescu;tenants from hell. 592000;1396128894;asciilifeform;http://www.27bslash6.com/flash.html 592001;1396128894;ozbot;I am able to move small objects with my mind. 592002;1396128952;mircea_popescu;like... penises. 592003;1396129009;mircea_popescu;"I have read your website and it is obviously that your a foggot." 592004;1396129070;lnovy;i god, i'm laughting like hell... 592005;1396129097;mircea_popescu;hey, did i ever tell you folks about the one time i got kicked out of a gay club ? 592006;1396129114;mircea_popescu;which is also the only time i ever got kicked out of anywhere, club or anything else. 592007;1396129122;mircea_popescu;i didn't torch the place in revenge, either. 592008;1396129183;jurov;what did you do there? 592009;1396129214;mircea_popescu;what one normally does in a club. drank and yelled at people. 592010;1396129223;mircea_popescu;what do you want me to do, dance ?! 592011;1396129257;jurov;lol i was not asking that in accusatory manner 592012;1396129297;tg2;http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoinmining/comments/21o422/future_of_scrypt_gpu_and_asic/cgf6o1k 592013;1396129299;tg2;sneaky knc 592014;1396129303;tg2;can't say I blame them tho 592015;1396129330;tg2;I got thrown out of a club once with a $8000 tab 592016;1396129331;tg2;I just went home 592017;1396129332;tg2;lol 592018;1396129337;tg2;chepest night in a club so far 592019;1396129351;tg2;the promoter called me back for 2 weeks after crying and begging me to come back 592020;1396129382;mircea_popescu;they're too noobish around here to actualy have promoters. 592021;1396129389;tg2;montreal has a huge club scene 592022;1396129398;tg2;probably more clubs per capita than anywhere I know 592023;1396129405;mircea_popescu;timisoara is roughly speaking a smaller akron, ohio. 592024;1396129423;tg2;sounds.... exciting 592025;1396129424;tg2;lol 592026;1396129481;mircea_popescu;well let's put it this way... in an actual town ever working class cunts can have fun. 592027;1396129500;mircea_popescu;it takes a real hellhole to really select the funhavers. 592028;1396129509;tg2;http://www.renting-tm.ro/sites/default/files/media/sliders/c2.jpg 592029;1396129514;tg2;your women look very slavic 592030;1396129544;tg2;is romania even considered slavic? 592031;1396129580;tg2;I know that ukrain, serbia bulgaria are 592032;1396129589;mircea_popescu;nah. 592033;1396129591;asciilifeform;Ro has, what, 5+ ethnic groups ? 592034;1396129594;tg2;(oops, i mean... southeastern russia, lol) 592035;1396129605;tg2;but, all sides of it are slavic... 592036;1396129611;mircea_popescu;it's ~85% romanian, some hungarian, trace other dozen or so elements 592037;1396129636;mircea_popescu;i have no idea how you figure those women look "Slavic" 592038;1396129638;tg2;only by hungary is it not slavic 592039;1396129654;tg2;cheek structure 592040;1396129654;asciilifeform;the gypsies (any left in Ro?) aren't the least bit slavic 592041;1396129660;tg2;high pointy cheeks 592042;1396129664;tg2;lol gypsies 592043;1396129669;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some, yeah. a mil or so. 592044;1396129710;mircea_popescu;for one thing, "slavic" would be blonde. 592045;1396129732;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'll bbl we can continue teh racism then. 592046;1396129903;tg2;this auroracoin aftermath is luls 592047;1396130268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3605 @ 0.00094701 = 3.414 BTC [+] {2} 592048;1396130327;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: servers that are rebooted are not really the same servers anymore << i bet i'm not the only one who wonders why kernel-in-ROM never caught on 592049;1396130366;asciilifeform;(naturally, rom with physical switch for write-enable) 592050;1396130401;asciilifeform;one reason might be that pc architecture, almost always by default, 'shadows' roms 592051;1396130409;asciilifeform;that is, copies them to cacheable RAM on boot 592052;1396130436;asciilifeform;(executing from rom, esp. the 'serial' 8-legged variety, is dog-slow) 592053;1396130450;jurov;i bought such mobo with dual bios 592054;1396130456;jurov;but never actually tried it 592055;1396130467;jurov;( gigabyte ) 592056;1396130472;asciilifeform;typically these have a toggle that moves the clock/data line from 1 serial rom to another 592057;1396130480;asciilifeform;for recovering from botched flashes. 592058;1396130492;asciilifeform;these used to be popular in the wake of the '90s 'chernoble' virus 592059;1396130499;asciilifeform;but have mostly disappeared 592060;1396130515;asciilifeform;any serious pc user should own a rom burner anyway 592061;1396130542;asciilifeform;chinese units are 20-50 usd 592062;1396130602;jurov;one usually does it once in 5 years... not sure if it's worth the occupied space 592063;1396130616;asciilifeform;space?! they're pocket-sized 592064;1396130622;asciilifeform;or you meant, on the board 592065;1396130685;jurov;yes i meant... hundred pocket sized gizmos to be used once in 5 yrs + cables = several boxen labeled shit and "more shit" 592066;1396130704;jurov;it's annoying 592067;1396130707;truffles;yay shit 592068;1396130719;asciilifeform;a box with zapped rom is considerably more annoying, imho 592069;1396130759;asciilifeform;if buying a rom burner, helps to get the kind that takes SOIC-8 socket adapters, for laptop flash 592070;1396130880;cads;hey has anyone hear if something bad is happening with auroracoin? 592071;1396130916;truffles;cads into alts hmm 592072;1396130946;cads;doge for life 592073;1396131113;cads;about 10 days ago auroracoin put $300 worth of auroracoin up for any icelandic citizen to grab 592074;1396131114;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: "and I experienced complete awareness", lel 592075;1396131118;nubbins`;i've read that one in the past 592076;1396131139;truffles;not possible 592077;1396131150;cads;since then citizens have had their identities forged, the value of the AUR has dropped like 75% and now people are saying AUR is being hit by a 51% attack 592078;1396131204;cads;the chaos is kinda awesome but I can't figure what's going on 592079;1396131233;truffles;get a blackbox ull know it all 592080;1396131244;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00094734 = 19.0415 BTC [+] {2} 592081;1396131250;tg2;ponzidoge.com... lol 592082;1396131271;tg2;8m dogecoin in 15 minutes 592083;1396131291;cads;Hilarious :) 592084;1396131301;tg2;shit is killin it 592085;1396131310;tg2;ltcponzi was $7000 worth of ltc in 45 mins yesterday 592086;1396131314;tg2;this is the new satoshidice 592087;1396131351;Mats_cd03;where do i acquire such a chinese made rom burner 592088;1396131352;tg2;dev said btc is coming soon 592089;1396131366;cads;haha, awesome 592090;1396131869;cads;thanks for sharing, tg2, that's delightful 592091;1396132586;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0568 = 0.3408 BTC [+] 592092;1396132647;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0568 = 0.2272 BTC [+] {2} 592093;1396132681;tg2;#dogecoin having trouble wrapping their minds around the fact that an OPEN ponzi where everything is visible is not really a ponzi lol 592094;1396132682;tg2;its just a game 592095;1396132708;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0449 = 0.2245 BTC [+] 592096;1396132734;truffles;nerds can be gullible too 592097;1396132759;tg2;whatever happened ot bitcoinsand 592098;1396132770;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [+] {2} 592099;1396132807;tg2;https://bitcoinsand.com/en 592100;1396132809;ozbot;Bitcoinsand 592101;1396132809;tg2;still rolling I guess 592102;1396132824;tg2;https://blockchain.info/address/1JfvCK3NAaKdQZCmu4vBjGhqAzxYrePsHg 592103;1396132824;tg2;meh 592104;1396132825;ozbot;Bitcoin Address 1JfvCK3NAaKdQZCmu4vBjGhqAzxYrePsHg 592105;1396132846;tg2;not enough interest to be a ponzi :D 592106;1396132861;CheckDavid;tg2: there's a game called bubble 592107;1396132868;tg2;:D 592108;1396132877;CheckDavid;Which basically is an explicit ponzi with rules 592109;1396132897;tg2;IPO are the last ones in :D 592110;1396133412;lnovy;the whole pc architecture is a big matrix, it looks and behaves pretty much nothing like you see it 592111;1396133423;lnovy;huh... scrollbuffer lag 592112;1396133434;lnovy;ignore plz :) 592113;1396133610;truffles;that game sounds fun 592114;1396134010;tg2;fk its taking a long time to generate a gpg key with 9 matching characters in it's long ID lol 592115;1396134011;tg2;Found 3256676 keys so far, running for 104196.6s (Rate:31.3/s) 592116;1396134014;tg2;;;ident 592117;1396134015;gribble;Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 31FAA963C3333333, key fingerprint BFB291FE6B88A151B3BD2F9C31FAA963C3333333, and bitcoin address None 592118;1396134040;tg2;10 characters * 592119;1396134294;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00094857 = 18.0228 BTC [+] {4} 592120;1396134837;bounce;asciilifeform: acorn arm boxes had riscos in rom. nice and quick booting, too. 592121;1396135076;Namworld;Wait.... WAIT. Wait wait wait wait wait... Stripe will allow Bitcoin payments? 592122;1396135120;Namworld;That adds a good bunch of merchants 592123;1396135222;Namworld;http://www.pcworld.com/article/2114200/malleability-attacks-not-to-blame-for-mt-goxs-missing-bitcoins-study-says.html 592124;1396135223;ozbot;'Malleability' attacks not to blame for Mt. Gox's missing bitcoins, study says | PCWorld 592125;1396135240;Namworld;Oh really? You don't say... 592126;1396135267;Namworld;How unsurprising. 592127;1396135672;lnovy;incomming! 592128;1396135912;Namworld;If Karpeles finds more Bitcoins and they're all returned I'll make the weirdest face. "He didn't scam, he just lost the keys? Had to try and find doubles in old backups of data? What stupidity is this?" 592129;1396136022;Namworld;Current odds of getting 100% back: 0.001% or so, odds provided by Ass-Pullouts® 592130;1396136059;dexX7;hehe.. the wallet they found was allegedly found, because it was in an old format that new bitcoin clients don't recognize 592131;1396136072;dexX7;or something like that ;) 592132;1396136084;xdotcomm_;tg2: dats a nice key 592133;1396136090;xdotcomm_;;;ident 592134;1396136090;gribble;Nick 'xdotcomm_', with hostmask 'xdotcomm_!~xdotcomme@bas1-montreal51-1167905977.dsl.bell.ca', is not identified. 592135;1396136099;xdotcomm_;meh 592136;1396136154;Namworld;Translation: "My keys!? They no work, what happened!? Oh, I have one here in this old backup. Maybe I can keep looking, maybe I find more keys in these old files." 592137;1396136189;dexX7;sounds accurate 592138;1396136242;Namworld;Someone, please do a retro parody of a platformer, called: "Karpeles and the Search for the Seven Private Keys" 592139;1396136300;Namworld;With coffee powerups, regulators and hacker mobs/bosses and of course collecting keys or fragments of keys. 592140;1396136781;jurov;Namworld don't forget protesters 592141;1396136865;jurov;and the end boss shall bear uncanny resemblance to mpoe-pr 592142;1396136980;jurov;chetty maybe you can make a little development detour? 592143;1396137014;truffles;a pr person that is total pr nightmare, only on internet 592144;1396138113;asciilifeform;bounce: all 1980s micros, afaik, did 592145;1396138119;asciilifeform;bounce: i was thinking of modern pc 592146;1396139171;ThickAsThieves;so Jesus Antonopolis has a book coming out 592147;1396139243;ThickAsThieves;http://bitcoinmagazine.com/11788/mastering-bitcoin-book-andreas-antonopoulos-available-pre-order/ 592148;1396139295;ThickAsThieves;it can't be purchased with bitcoins 592149;1396139355;dexX7;250 pages x.x 592150;1396139500;ThickAsThieves;"If you're interested in learning more about the technical operation of bitcoin, or if you're building the next great bitcoin killer­app or business, you will find this book essential reading. From the basic use of a bitcoin wallet to buy a cup of coffee, to running a bitcoin marketplace with hundreds of thousands of transactions, or collaboratively building new financial innovations 592151;1396139500;ThickAsThieves;that will transform our understanding of currency and credit, this book will help you engineer money. You're about to unlock the API to a new economy. This book is your key." 592152;1396139507;ThickAsThieves;parody vs reality 592153;1396139510;ThickAsThieves;who will win? 592154;1396139513;ThickAsThieves;stay tuned! 592155;1396139529;asciilifeform;'parody horizon.' 592156;1396139540;truffles;hey TAT write that blog yet? 592157;1396139589;dexX7;https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KKV_VEmGPsPr74rFhhpqmdkFPuLRh6tSEQvsXdOcoZA/pub#h.ualzap5eojzv << outline 592158;1396139590;ozbot;Mastering Bitcoin - Community Outline Review 592159;1396139645;ThickAsThieves;the first blog post didnt make it past peer review 592160;1396139646;ThickAsThieves;sorry 592161;1396139658;truffles;orly 592162;1396139662;truffles;i can review if u want 592163;1396139672;ThickAsThieves;no need 592164;1396139678;*;truffles likes to be entertained! 592165;1396139749;truffles;there are a few other bloggers itc 592166;1396139758;truffles;cant recall if theyre consistent, cuz i forget 592167;1396139805;dexX7;http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ 592168;1396139806;ozbot;Assets Assimilated 592169;1396139825;truffles;meh 592170;1396139836;truffles;non assets mp related 592171;1396139947;ThickAsThieves;well you cant complain when b-assets people write about assets and you ask assets people for writing 592172;1396139970;truffles;didnt ask for assets content 592173;1396139978;ThickAsThieves;people here also list other blogs they like at times 592174;1396139984;truffles;oh 592175;1396139987;ThickAsThieves;The Last Psychiatrist 592176;1396140002;ThickAsThieves;Pando isnt bad for news about news 592177;1396140016;truffles;oh its not that specific 592178;1396140040;truffles;just has to gauge my interest :) 592179;1396140059;truffles;so is btc stable now` 592180;1396140090;ThickAsThieves;not yet 592181;1396140094;azi`_;did i miss any news about neobee? 592182;1396140095;ThickAsThieves;give it a month 592183;1396140098;truffles;last i saw it was in the 600s 592184;1396140150;truffles;how goes neobee 592185;1396140224;dexX7;price tanked, trading halted 592186;1396140232;azi`_;something fishy is apparently going on 592187;1396140250;truffles;? 592188;1396140455;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06992203 = 0.1398 BTC [-] {2} 592189;1396140626;TestingUnoDosTre;.d 592190;1396140626;ozbot;5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1170 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.2937% in 6d 19h 4m 7s 592191;1396140693;dexX7;haha reddit about friedcat: "I don't know, anonymous according to /r/bitcoin means "will steal bitcoins in future". How do we know the ASICs don't have a function that sends your mined bitcoins to some address at some point in the future or installs a virus on your computer? Is the hardware opensourced?" 592192;1396140739;Duffer1;wow 592193;1396140752;TestingUnoDosTre;how come the expected change is 16,3% when bitcoinwisdom projects 21% 592194;1396141189;dexX7;the "next diff" algorithm is only a simple linear projection (hashrate-now/hashrate-last = hashrate-increase%) and bitcoinwisdom uses something more sophisticated 592195;1396141553;TestingUnoDosTre;can anyone tell me about gribbles next difficulty calculation 592196;1396141858;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0569 = 0.1138 BTC [+] 592197;1396141919;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0569 = 0.1707 BTC [+] {3} 592198;1396142472;MisterE;http://venturebeat.com/2014/03/28/mozillas-bad-week-employees-call-for-ceo-eich-to-step-down-3-board-members-leave/ 592199;1396142473;ozbot;Mozilla's bad week: Employees call for CEO Eich to step down, 3 board members leave | VentureBeat | 592200;1396142686;kanzure;dexX7: couldn't you just monitor the outbound network activity from the asic device instead 592201;1396142731;dexX7;hm? 592202;1396142782;dexX7;elaborate please 592203;1396143043;tg2;Yeah it wouldn't be hard 592204;1396143060;tg2;even with published source though many people still download binary 592205;1396143078;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06949969 = 0.695 BTC [-] {3} 592206;1396143106;tg2;People still use Firefox? 592207;1396143327;fordlincoln1;anyone trade the bitcoin cfds on avatrade? 592208;1396143348;kakobrekla;that prolly a bucket shop 592209;1396143361;kakobrekla;not prolly, certainly. 592210;1396143629;cazalla;tg2: what's wrong with firefox? 592211;1396143662;tg2;Chrome is what's wrong with Firefox 592212;1396143678;Apocalyptic;Opera is the shit now 592213;1396143687;cazalla;i'd rather not give google my browsing habits 592214;1396143695;tg2;I heard netscape is pretty nice 592215;1396143737;tg2;although i prefer lynx because it doesn't forward my cookies unless explicitly advised to 592216;1396143750;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00094475 = 12.8014 BTC [-] {2} 592217;1396143757;mystisking;whats the future of crypto trading? 592218;1396143760;tg2;in fact it asks me every time 592219;1396143786;mystisking;is bitcoin over? 592220;1396143789;tg2;If dice listed on any markets? 592221;1396143806;tg2;;;ident mystisking 592222;1396143806;gribble;Nick 'mystisking', with hostmask 'mystisking!48e5a0ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.229.160.174', is not identified. 592223;1396143821;tg2;> web 592224;1396143828;tg2;Troll harder 592225;1396143833;mystisking;? 592226;1396143855;mystisking;i have a question 592227;1396143862;Apocalyptic;<mystisking> is bitcoin over? << obvious troll is obvious 592228;1396143897;mystisking;? 592229;1396143909;tg2;Mystisking, the ceo of Bitcoin committed suicide so yeah Bitcoin is pretty much dead 592230;1396143926;tg2;everybody knows this why do you not 592231;1396143956;mystisking;where can i see announcements of new cryptocurrencies? 592232;1396143968;tg2;Fox news 592233;1396143987;mystisking;thanks guy 592234;1396143992;mystisking;you're a real jerk 592235;1396143992;tg2;Np any time 592236;1396144008;tg2;drop by any time and ask as stupid of a question as you want 592237;1396144016;tg2;you'll always get a sincere response 592238;1396144049;tg2;Go to /r/dogecoin you'll be right at home 592239;1396144054;dexX7;he's gone 592240;1396144065;tg2;I have parts muted 592241;1396144069;dexX7;ic 592242;1396144082;tg2;I don't c 592243;1396144124;tg2;Benkay 592244;1396144133;tg2;What are you drinking 592245;1396144237;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069899 = 0.1398 BTC [+] 592246;1396144314;tg2;> Tfw no benkay 592247;1396144840;MisterE;Chrome is such crap 592248;1396144849;MisterE;I switched to FF from Chromium 592249;1396144908;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069899 = 0.1398 BTC [+] 592250;1396144910;Apocalyptic;tg2, what version of lynx do you use ? 592251;1396144924;tg2;Bleeding edge 592252;1396144942;tg2;I use phantomjs now 592253;1396144950;tg2;Headless webkit ftw 592254;1396144968;tg2;It renders css and JavaScript without a ui. 592255;1396144989;tg2;it makes one hell of a sick crawler 592256;1396145017;tg2;It's like having only console open on your browser 592257;1396145274;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.64999999 = 14.3 BTC [-] {2} 592258;1396145336;tg2;2.8.8 lynx 592259;1396145877;tg2;I believe that's current 592260;1396146207;kanzure;phantomjs is actually using an ancient version of webkit 592261;1396146216;kanzure;i highly recommend using recent webkit and just use the gobject bindings 592262;1396146229;kanzure;for example: https://gist.github.com/kanzure/6581415 592263;1396146254;kanzure;(context: i've contributed to phantomjs) 592264;1396146561;tg2;Can it be run without x? 592265;1396146642;xdotcomm_;tg2: going for wendies ! 592266;1396146732;MisterE;Breaking news on the missing plane, still nothing found... 592267;1396146739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069898 = 0.1398 BTC [-] 592268;1396146806;kanzure;tg2: technically no, webkigtk+ requires X unless you find a way to get gtk running without x.. there used to be a way with cairo but nobody seems to care anymore. 592269;1396146872;kanzure;tg2: however, running X headlessly is not hugely problematic these days because of xserver-xorg-video-dummy 592270;1396146936;kanzure;tg2: and i would say the advantages of running modern webkit far outweigh the troubles with running X... you get Function.prototype.bind :) 592271;1396147078;kanzure;even when phantomjs2 comes out in the next few months i would recommend caution because the dependency on qtwebki from a qt release means that you're waiting multiple months for bugfixes to get into phantomjs (so far webkit updates are so far behind it's sad) 592272;1396147111;kanzure;e.g. it's not just qtwebkit but it's a qt-release that includes a release of qtwebkit which includes a release of webkit. but the real thing you care about is webkit! 592273;1396147165;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04440002 = 0.1776 BTC [-] 592274;1396147409;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.069898 = 0.2796 BTC [-] 592275;1396147714;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00614222 = 0.1106 BTC [-] {4} 592276;1396148507;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00094904 = 20.8314 BTC [+] {2} 592277;1396148649;tg2;I just use it for page scraping 592278;1396148691;tg2;And thumb generation 592279;1396148740;tg2;Headless is nice 592280;1396148750;tg2;True headless 592281;1396148760;tg2;there is to much tied through x imo 592282;1396148768;tg2;Fglrx for example 592283;1396148948;Apocalyptic;tg2, do you even run X ? 592284;1396148984;tg2;Not if I don't need gui 592285;1396149117;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65252999 BTC [+] 592286;1396149178;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.62 = 12.4 BTC [-] {3} 592287;1396150033;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.65250798 = 1.305 BTC [+] 592288;1396150333;chetty;http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/03/28/cashless-society-almost-sinister-implications/ 592289;1396150334;ozbot;The Cashless Society Almost Here And With Some Very Sinister Implications - Waking Times 592290;1396150398;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65250798 BTC [+] 592291;1396150520;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00094569 = 9.1259 BTC [-] {2} 592292;1396151783;decimation;lol fiat: http://www.scribd.com/doc/201651711/October-24-2013-Class-Cert-Order - this is related to the civil suit against the silicon valley companys for conspiring to limit recruitment 592293;1396151885;decimation;Alan Eustace (Google Senior Vice President) commented ... 592294;1396151891;decimation;to compensation that makes it very difficult for anyone to get a better offer" 592295;1396151966;decimation;take 2: According to him:the "long-term right approach is not to deal with these situations as one-off?s but to have a systematic approach to compensation that makes it very difficult for anyone to get a better offer" 592296;1396152021;decimation;my point: his job is exactly to find the one-off's and worry about their retention. What possible "systematic approach" exists, even in theory? 592297;1396152349;MisterE;that the order certifying the class? 592298;1396152502;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kernel-in-rom never caught on because these fuckwits want to keep versioning everything all the time. gotta upgrade!!1 592299;1396152518;asciilifeform;lul 592300;1396152541;asciilifeform;upgrade all day - just turn the key. 592301;1396152560;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well he's mastered them so... 592302;1396152598;asciilifeform;anyone else notice how you more or less can't buy antifuse roms any more? 592303;1396152622;asciilifeform;just flash that programmatically refuses (or promises to refuse) writing a second time 592304;1396152729;dignork;asciilifeform, there are OTP chips, you're saying they can be rewritten? 592305;1396152730;mircea_popescu;dude what's with all this derpage. avatrade ? future of crypto trading ? what the hell. 592306;1396152753;asciilifeform;dignork: i can't promise to re-write one on demand - but they're 'flash' inside. 592307;1396152782;asciilifeform;dignork: notice that the same part number typically comes in a UV window version. 592308;1396152803;asciilifeform;now go and try to buy a 1980s style antifuse ROM that actually burns 592309;1396152809;asciilifeform;i.e. fuses blow when you write it. 592310;1396152884;mircea_popescu;;;later tell decimation the following systematic approach : "you will be born anyway, need to work anyway. why should you be paid ?" 592311;1396152884;gribble;The operation succeeded. 592312;1396152899;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00094424 = 10.3866 BTC [-] 592313;1396153008;mircea_popescu;oh look, another blockchain crawler : https://coinb.in/ 592314;1396153129;dignork;asciilifeform, I never actually looked into these chips, but wikipedia says empty PROM is filled with 1's, and you're irreversibly burning 0's 592315;1396153147;asciilifeform;yes 592316;1396153148;dignork;asciilifeform, so later you can burn some more 0'... 592317;1396153151;asciilifeform;now try to buy one. 592318;1396153171;mircea_popescu;dignork it'd be an extremely rare case where that actually works tho 592319;1396153177;asciilifeform;incidentally, this reminds me of a scheme i came up with for re-writing 'cd-r' disks, before the rewritable kind was available 592320;1396153215;asciilifeform;using 'gray code'. alert reader can probably figure out how it worked. 592321;1396153233;asciilifeform;how many 'brain cycles' we've all wasted on obsolete tech! 592322;1396153265;mircea_popescu;"I stumbled upon this brilliant piece of journalism written by one Mircea Popescu. The title of the article reads Why Dogecoin is a scam and the contents are amusing." 592323;1396153280;mircea_popescu;at least we're using the brain cycles on things that actually exist. 592324;1396153298;mircea_popescu;how many brain cycles have various anon derps wasted on rehashing their imaginary worlds ? 592325;1396153345;asciilifeform;the folks who understand their worlds being imaginary, i've no problem with. 592326;1396153384;dignork;asciilifeform, well, I have this http://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/Products/2.4GHz-RF/nRF24LE1-OTP on hand, but I don't have equipment to actually look at the chip structure though :( 592327;1396153386;mircea_popescu;well the others you really can't have a problem with. because who'd you have a problem with ? they're not here. 592328;1396153392;mircea_popescu;o look at that, fico lost! 592329;1396153472;dignork;asciilifeform, it's a complex device containing OTP, so not a strict match 592330;1396153592;Apocalyptic;yeah mircea_popescu, i'm so happy 592331;1396153696;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic hm ? 592332;1396153707;Apocalyptic;fico is the last thing slovakia needs right now 592333;1396153747;mircea_popescu;a a 592334;1396153936;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00094694 = 17.8972 BTC [+] 592335;1396154478;tg2;It's there any traction to have the irs change their stance on btc? 592336;1396154497;tg2;They basically made it a paperwork disaster to actually tax it 592337;1396154556;chetty;get the IRS to change? you ARE joking? 592338;1396154628;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5937860#msg5937860 and another layer of scammyness unfolds. 592339;1396154630;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings 592340;1396154664;mircea_popescu;so apparently lmb gifted itself a hefty 28% equity stake post-ipo ? 592341;1396154823;tg2;Well who votes on tax rates 592342;1396154825;tg2;Not the irs 592343;1396154841;tg2;Ergo they should be susceptible to change 592344;1396154864;chetty;no one votes on IRS rules 592345;1396154879;tg2;The irs only collects 592346;1396154896;MisterE;no they made powerful administrative rules too 592347;1396154908;tg2;Voted on by... ? 592348;1396154911;tg2;C ca 592349;1396154927;tg2;There should be an avenue to have those rules revised 592350;1396154931;chetty;rules and regulations ... no one votes 592351;1396154941;MisterE;they have an internal committee of bureaucrats probably 592352;1396154948;MisterE;might take public comment 592353;1396154956;Apocalyptic;this jimmothy guy is halirious 592354;1396154974;Apocalyptic;*hilarious 592355;1396154979;Apocalyptic;damn i need to sleep 592356;1396154999;mircea_popescu;so go sleep 592357;1396155002;mircea_popescu;it ain't going anywhere. 592358;1396155256;tg2;They have their irc code 592359;1396155350;tg2;Federal court ruling sits higher than agency interpretive regulations 592360;1396155372;nubbins`;jimmothy 592361;1396155381;nubbins`;pretty sure he's a paid shill for whoever has a buck 592362;1396155408;tg2;And IRS Revenue Rulings, which I would assume the btc guidance fell under 592363;1396155412;MisterE;yea but challenging those regulations is not possible for mere mortals 592364;1396155431;nubbins`;also, neobee: lel 592365;1396155440;MisterE;heh yea 592366;1396155447;tg2;one might assume that those remain attainable for somebody 592367;1396155463;tg2;If there was a landmark supreme court case 592368;1396155484;Apocalyptic;too bad TAT is mixed up in this 592369;1396155505;tg2;It feels like the irs just said "here's our stance" and left the door open to an overriding ruling from a larger authority 592370;1396155540;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2014&bots=true#485655 592371;1396155543;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 592372;1396155557;nubbins`;such lels 592373;1396155587;nubbins`;Apocalyptic: might as well read the whole day 592374;1396155680;ThickAsThieves;<mircea_popescu> so apparently lmb gifted itself a hefty 28% equity stake post-ipo /// To my knowledge LMB never gifted itself anything nor moved shares to Havelock 592375;1396155721;ThickAsThieves;there was a portion seperately allocated for employee program of some sort I think, not tradable 592376;1396155727;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well, here's the problem : 592377;1396155731;mircea_popescu;Public investors currently hold 5,042,638 LMB Holdings shares (31.5164875% of the profits), whilst LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK) shall hold 10,957,362 shares 68.4835125% of the profits), for a total of 16,000,000 LMB Holdings virtual shares, which represent 100% of the global profits of the LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK). 592378;1396155741;mircea_popescu;this is an update of the previous version, which read : 592379;1396155744;mircea_popescu;Public investors will hold 9,600,000 LMB Holdings shares (60% of the profits), whilst LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK) shall hold 6,400,000 shares (40% of the profits), for a total of 16,000,000 LMB Holdings virtual shares, which represent 100% of the global profits of the LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK). 592380;1396155758;ThickAsThieves;basically the unsold shares sat unsold afaik 592381;1396155759;mircea_popescu;the net effect of this change is for lmb to gift itself a significant portion of the equity. 592382;1396155775;ThickAsThieves;only the 31% wouldve been eligible for the initial divs 592383;1396155790;mircea_popescu;the figures seem to be 68.4x% and 40%. 592384;1396155809;nubbins`;but that's 28.x% for free 592385;1396155827;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.65252998 = 1.9576 BTC [+] {2} 592386;1396155838;mircea_popescu;i guess this is why no gpg contract = scam, pretty much. 592387;1396155848;mircea_popescu;as far as i know every pdf-ipo to date has done this sort of thing 592388;1396155888;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04539999 = 0.1816 BTC [+] 592389;1396155911;tg2;Unfortunately there is no reprimand even declaring profitability 592390;1396155927;Apocalyptic;nubbins`, thanks for the link, i'm reading 592391;1396155933;mircea_popescu;tg2 that didn't parse. 592392;1396155942;nubbins`;^ 592393;1396155950;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65253014 BTC [+] 592394;1396155953;tg2;S/reprimand/consequence 592395;1396155965;tg2;Falsely declaring profitability 592396;1396156004;tg2;Who is keeping the company truthful about their earnings 592397;1396156012;tg2;ie rent 592398;1396156014;mod6; 592399;1396156032;mod6;oops 592400;1396156056;mircea_popescu;this is a major problem, generally speaking. 592401;1396156062;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2014&bots=true#456142 592402;1396156065;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 592403;1396156089;mircea_popescu;nubbins` myeah. 592404;1396156091;tg2;I have a model which would be great for this kind of transparency 592405;1396156134;nubbins`;on the bright side, a bunch of people in cyprus got several months worth of salary that they wouldn't have had otherwise 592406;1396156135;nubbins`;so there's that 592407;1396156144;nubbins`;practically a success 592408;1396156163;xdotcomm_;tg2: what model? 592409;1396156173;tg2;Marketplace 592410;1396156184;xdotcomm_;like ebay 592411;1396156192;tg2;No, a good one 592412;1396156198;xdotcomm_;or like nyse 592413;1396156209;tg2;Marketplace for anything 592414;1396156210;xdotcomm_;elaborate please 592415;1396156220;xdotcomm_;like craigslist? 592416;1396156240;tg2;Like a decentralized craigslist 592417;1396156264;xdotcomm_;problem with craigslist is there is no rankings 592418;1396156272;tg2;Yeah 592419;1396156275;nubbins`;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-02-2014&bots=true#485755 592420;1396156277;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 592421;1396156279;nubbins`;just pasting things here 592422;1396156289;tg2;That and their code is from 1999 592423;1396156293;nubbins`;no big deal 592424;1396156316;nubbins`;xdotcomm_, tg2: those are problems? 592425;1396156364;tg2;Can be, yes 592426;1396156402;xdotcomm_;its tough because you gotta make it so much better then craigslist + ebay ... otherwise no go.. they already have the masses 592427;1396156404;nubbins`;#bitcoin-assets: where $150m/y is a problem 592428;1396156426;mircea_popescu;"The trading is simply frozen; unless they tore down the building and sold the rubble Im pretty sure that NEO's offices will be open come Monday." 592429;1396156439;mircea_popescu;wait, the theory is that these people bought an office building too ?! 592430;1396156440;tg2;Kijiji shits on craigslist 592431;1396156445;mircea_popescu;!t h neobee 592432;1396156446;assbot;[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.0024427 / 0.00327700 (113780 shares, 277.92986804 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00351926 / 0.00567777 (493675 shares, 1737.37018237 BTC) 592433;1396156454;xdotcomm_;5 to 10x better for early adapters and 10 to 20 for the masses 592434;1396156543;xdotcomm_;tg2: kijji > craigslist thats y in Canada its #1 592435;1396156714;tg2;Eventually it'll take over in the us 592436;1396156716;xdotcomm_;they will never end http://digitalinterface.blogspot.ca/2014/03/strangecoin-proposal-for-nonlinear.html 592437;1396156719;tg2;Ebay owns it 592438;1396156722;xdotcomm_;yea 592439;1396157264;TestingUnoDosTre;.d 592440;1396157264;ozbot;5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1149 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.7374% in 6d 19h 11m 34s 592441;1396157311;TestingUnoDosTre;alright I've asked this before, but I got disconnected. Why does gribble have such a lower prediction for next difficulty compared to bitcoinwisdom. Is one sampling way more or way less blocks than the other? 592442;1396157349;mircea_popescu;TestingUnoDosTre perhaps check the log ? 592443;1396157367;TestingUnoDosTre;ahhh yes. There was some lag inbetween when I was checking it and disconnected 592444;1396157374;TestingUnoDosTre;now it should be good 592445;1396157456;TestingUnoDosTre;scratch that, it looks like no one answered 592446;1396157497;nubbins`;no, i remember someone answering 592447;1396157521;mircea_popescu;what, you get different logs where you live ? 592448;1396157549;Apocalyptic;depends if kako has edited it or not I guess 592449;1396157552;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2014#592194 592450;1396157554;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 592451;1396157555;nubbins`;kako, editor of logs 592452;1396157624;[\];I'm glad we pay these people: http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/getcovered/10.gif 592453;1396157627;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5978604#msg5978604 check out this epic shit. apparently i'm a bad person because i don't suck now. 592454;1396157629;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings 592455;1396157641;TestingUnoDosTre;ahhh thank you 592456;1396157655;mircea_popescu;[\\\] da fuck is that supposed to be 592457;1396157669;nubbins`;heheh 592458;1396157685;TestingUnoDosTre;it says bitcoinwisdom uses a mix of 2016 long term linear and 504 short term linear to estimate 592459;1396157695;mircea_popescu;this andy greenberg imbecile is really getting my goat. 592460;1396157700;TestingUnoDosTre;at least that's what one redditor claimed 592461;1396157718;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00094615 = 7.5692 BTC [-] 592462;1396157724;mircea_popescu;poor finley already said he's not it. actually, what he said was, "i could claim it and go to my grave a celebrated inventor. it'd be sweet. however... i did not do it, sadly. stop hounding me." 592463;1396157730;mircea_popescu;what does forshitbes do ? hounds him. 592464;1396157736;mircea_popescu;journos belong in penal colonies, 592465;1396157742;mircea_popescu;and i'm not even tyrant yet./ 592466;1396157878;[\];woah 592467;1396157882;[\];so I'm late to the party 592468;1396157892;[\];NeoBee has pulled a runner? 592469;1396157901;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-] 592470;1396157974;mircea_popescu;[\\\] well they're having a great weekend so far. 592471;1396158010;[\];and isn't NeoBee the guys helping 'fix' bitfunder/weex? 592472;1396158016;[\];aren't* 592473;1396158017;dexX7;"Danny doesn't need to talk directly to shareholders and customers." ... wow, reaching that point was faster then i expected (i didn't at all) 592474;1396158073;mircea_popescu;[\\\] they were the guys that spoke out of turn on the topic and then never brought it up again. 592475;1396158095;mircea_popescu;dexX7 you just think so because you're a one man band that never leaves his appartment. 592476;1396158100;mircea_popescu;if you were rich and successful you'd see. 592477;1396158209;nubbins`;someone should just IPO a series of magazine ads and six months salary and get it over with 592478;1396158229;[\];lol 592479;1396158241;nubbins`;give up the facade 592480;1396158242;[\];brilliant idea 592481;1396158277;nubbins`;just found a wart on my finger. turns out it's dough. 592482;1396158281;*;nubbins` fist-pumps 592483;1396158283;mircea_popescu;nubbins` in point of case, it's a major improvement over the previous stuff 592484;1396158292;mircea_popescu;which did google ads at best. 592485;1396158328;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-] 592486;1396158330;bocobit;hows it going guys 592487;1396158340;bocobit;i've got a question 592488;1396158358;Duffer1;ni hao 592489;1396158359;bocobit;why doesn't Andreas Antnonopoulos have a wiki? 592490;1396158390;mircea_popescu;perhaps he didn't install one ? 592491;1396158391;Duffer1;he's a speaker 592492;1396158406;dignork;bocobit, he wrote a book instead :) 592493;1396158423;bocobit;I'm just trying to find out some info on him like where he's from/ past work ect. 592494;1396158441;mircea_popescu;bocobit why not just ask him ? 592495;1396158447;mircea_popescu;has a twitter or an email or something im sure ? 592496;1396158450;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63174527 = 1.2635 BTC [-] {2} 592497;1396158458;nubbins`;3:17am, nice 592498;1396158460;nubbins`;i mean 592499;1396158461;nubbins`;nite 592500;1396158463;mircea_popescu;nn 592501;1396158466;nubbins`;(not nice) 592502;1396158506;mircea_popescu;Nighty Nubbins 592503;1396158512;mircea_popescu;stop deing bifficult. 592504;1396158528;nubbins`;NOODGIGHT 592505;1396158581;mircea_popescu;"Some men enjoy dancing with other men without their tops on while others prefer the company of a woman two KFC family buckets away from upsetting the planet's rotational axis." 592506;1396158597;mircea_popescu;this dude can lay down the webhurt lawl. 592507;1396158602;dexX7;hm? what would i see, if i were rich and successful? 592508;1396158642;mircea_popescu;dexX7 how would i know ? 592509;1396158674;mircea_popescu;(i'm just being very sarcastic because that thread's too funny to do anything else) 592510;1396158681;[\];neo pr was active for a week after their last post 592511;1396158709;andyfletcher;dexX7, you would have to tell us which direction you were looking 592512;1396158723;dexX7;hehe k 592513;1396158758;mircea_popescu;but generally speaking, you would be seeing cleavage. 592514;1396158824;andyfletcher;assuming the lights are on 592515;1396158850;tg2;Pleural form of cleavage 592516;1396158851;mircea_popescu;i think if you're rich and successful one of the perks is that you can see cleavage even through the dark. 592517;1396158853;mircea_popescu;or clothes. 592518;1396158972;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker 592519;1396158973;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 476.06, Best ask: 479.14, Bid-ask spread: 3.08000, Last trade: 479.43, 24 hour volume: 10237.77098943, 24 hour low: 473.67, 24 hour high: 506.41, 24 hour vwap: 492.153544837 592520;1396158999;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.05566386 = 0.4453 BTC [-] {5} 592521;1396159016;mircea_popescu;i thought there was supposed to be super-duper heavy support at 500 592522;1396159018;mircea_popescu;what scam is this! 592523;1396159032;ThickAsThieves;enky says 430 or thereabouts 592524;1396159037;ThickAsThieves;i'm inclined to agree 592525;1396159121;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012 = 0.36 BTC [-] {4} 592526;1396159365;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2600 @ 0.00012001 = 0.312 BTC [+] {2} 592527;1396159548;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0454 = 0.1362 BTC [+] 592528;1396159609;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0458 = 0.229 BTC [+] 592529;1396159650;mircea_popescu;"Nearly 1,900 Veterans Committed Suicide In Just 2014 Alone" 592530;1396159658;mircea_popescu;i guess the bankers aren't suddenly all that exceptional. 592531;1396159670;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0459 = 0.2295 BTC [+] 592532;1396159689;andyfletcher;wonder how many died on deployment in the same period 592533;1396159775;mircea_popescu;http://icasualties.org/OEF/index.aspx 592534;1396159776;ozbot;iCasualties | Operation Enduring Freedom | Afghanistan 592535;1396159976;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00586892 = 0.4695 BTC [-] {4} 592536;1396161039;benkay;hey! 592537;1396161073;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62500105 = 1.25 BTC [-] {2} 592538;1396161085;benkay;i'm not dead yet, despite your best efforts 592539;1396161109;benkay;although all of my calories are ethanol derived 592540;1396161114;benkay;someone told me this is unhealthy 592541;1396161195;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.62044563 = 6.8249 BTC [-] {7} 592542;1396161205;benkay;!l m s.mpoe 592543;1396161205;assbot;Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00094615 BTC [-] 592544;1396161211;benkay;!l h rent 592545;1396161211;assbot;Last trade for RENT on HAVELOCK was at 0.0073 BTC [+] 592546;1396161228;benkay;the next rent round is almost not bullshit, youse guise? 592547;1396161256;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [-] 592548;1396161345;benkay;;;later tell tg2 llolzlzolozlzolzolol self-stopping doors 592549;1396161346;gribble;The operation succeeded. 592550;1396161517;tg2;Later while online thxm8 592551;1396161540;benkay;u think i ams no tab compl? 592552;1396161561;benkay;the tg2 operators nevar sleep 592553;1396161622;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 543 @ 0.00616386 = 3.347 BTC [-] {10} 592554;1396161639;benkay;moiety: you have great taste in chain 592555;1396161709;tg2;benkay your segway doesn't even have doors how would you understand this market 592556;1396161735;benkay;segue? 592557;1396161742;benkay;to something interdasting i hope 592558;1396161805;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.61125954 = 6.7239 BTC [-] {3} 592559;1396161916;xdotcomm_;benkay: i saw portlandia today ... is it based on your personality? 592560;1396161948;benkay;oh, both socks at once? 592561;1396161954;benkay;guys u gotta do betta 592562;1396161969;tg2;how hard we gotta sock 592563;1396161987;tg2;last time a sock gave you this much pleasure it ended up stuck to the laundry hamper 592564;1396162040;benkay;brilli-allent 592565;1396162078;tg2;> concept of friendship foreign, must be socks 592566;1396162091;tg2;;;ident benkay 592567;1396162092;gribble;Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~user@216-161-94-151.ptld.qwest.net', is not identified. 592568;1396162095;tg2;gpg up noob 592569;1396162124;benkay;if only you got to do that 592570;1396162144;tg2;if only we ate our own dogfood 592571;1396162150;mircea_popescu;tg2 soo, you two are friends ? 592572;1396162158;tg2;which two?! 592573;1396162166;benkay;tg2 and xdotcomm_ , sitting in a tree 592574;1396162198;tg2;xdotcomm_ is my deputy sock obv 592575;1396162222;benkay;(f.e.l.l.a.t.i.n.g.) 592576;1396162265;benkay;anyways, upstairs sez beers. 592577;1396162269;benkay;night, gents. 592578;1396162271;xdotcomm_;mircea_popescu: we have known each other... but none of us has helped one another move 592579;1396162278;tg2;lol 592580;1396162294;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05719913 = 0.2288 BTC [+] {2} 592581;1396162295;mircea_popescu;xdotcomm_ lol i c 592582;1396162295;xdotcomm_;in north america you can only be friends if you move couches for each other during moves 592583;1396162301;tg2;we are the best of business friends but the worst of IRL friends 592584;1396162321;tg2;this guy sold me a broken gong 592585;1396162321;xdotcomm_;99% online relationship 592586;1396162330;mircea_popescu;o i thought "help each other move" is when you seduce the other's wife and so now he has to find a motel. 592587;1396162332;tg2;and then never even gave it to me 592588;1396162353;xdotcomm_;tg2: sold a server as well then stole it back 592589;1396162357;tg2;;;rate xdotcomm_ -10 sold me a broken gong and then never even gave it to me 592590;1396162357;gribble;Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users. 592591;1396162374;xdotcomm_;ive been trying to pay back for years for that 592592;1396162374;tg2;sells me a server "sick deal bro, dual quad core xeon 32G ram" 592593;1396162381;xdotcomm_;SSD! 592594;1396162383;tg2;wake up the next day 592595;1396162389;tg2;car windows smashed in 592596;1396162393;tg2;server no longer there 592597;1396162415;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0463 = 0.1389 BTC [+] 592598;1396162428;tg2;i'm gonna reck ur otc rating when I get one 592599;1396162445;xdotcomm_;i need to get the weight of unfairness shifted somehow 592600;1396162457;xdotcomm_;been trying hard 592601;1396162470;xdotcomm_;for party bring magnum vodka bottle... 592602;1396162472;tg2;who's gonna administer the bet on bitbet about how long until one of us gets rating 592603;1396162489;xdotcomm_;we can cheat and sell cheap btc 592604;1396162495;xdotcomm_;@ loss 592605;1396162528;tg2;solid biz plan 592606;1396162529;xdotcomm_;get best strippers for the party 592607;1396162536;xdotcomm_;i try hard 592608;1396162536;TestingUnoDosTre;rate xdotcomm 2 . comment this guy has no clue how much tell sell btc for 592609;1396162555;tg2;lol 592610;1396162563;xdotcomm_;for realz 592611;1396162585;tg2;for real tho he called the doge spike about 2 hours before it climed from 54 to 290 592612;1396162594;tg2;made me lots of btc's 592613;1396162598;tg2;off of scrubcoins 592614;1396162603;xdotcomm_;it was a savant moment 592615;1396162620;tg2;now its going back there 592616;1396162620;tg2;lol 592617;1396162623;xdotcomm_;i can just give access to my tranny paysite to everyone in this chan.. probably get mad ratings 592618;1396162644;xdotcomm_;exclusive tranny contents 592619;1396162648;tg2;mpex crashes, havelock closes 592620;1396162657;tg2;ghost chan 592621;1396162929;tg2;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/foodbeast/taco-bell-president-says_b_5045279.html 592622;1396162929;ozbot;Taco Bell President Says Canada Will Get Breakfast 'When You Take Justin Bieber Back' | Foodbeast 592623;1396163151;TestingUnoDosTre;can't stop salivating when I see the price lately 592624;1396164245;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00094607 = 5.0142 BTC [-] 592625;1396165282;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00094607 = 16.5562 BTC [-] 592626;1396165684;bounce;asciilifeform: point was rather that the acorn archimedes is closer to a modern computer than an 80s micro. 592627;1396165772;bounce;bit like stuffing qnx+photon in flashrom. might even be doable if you can find coreboot-supported hardware. 592628;1396165831;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069897 = 0.1398 BTC [-] 592629;1396167323;MisterE;http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/28/5557120/what-if-oculus-rift-kickstarter-backers-had-gotten-equity 592630;1396167324;ozbot;If you back a Kickstarter project that sells for $2 billion, do you deserve to get rich? | The Verge 592631;1396168006;GreenBits;hi all 592632;1396168088;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8483 @ 0.00094545 = 8.0203 BTC [-] 592633;1396168518;chetty;Greetins GreenBits 592634;1396168676;moiety;http://rt.com/news/vader-presidential-hopeful-ukraine-885/ 592635;1396168881;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00620002 = 0.31 BTC [-] 592636;1396169145;MisterE;heh, I got a little nervous nelly today, thought we were going to test 400, so I sold some coin for 484 that I bought at 505 :/ 592637;1396169175;MisterE;https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1523379957/oculus-rift-step-into-the-game/comments?cursor=6299270#comment-6299269 592638;1396169176;ozbot;Oculus Rift: Step Into the Game by Oculus » Comments — Kickstarter 592639;1396169182;MisterE;^ Says it better than I could 592640;1396169308;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64989888 BTC [+] 592641;1396170162;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.64952249 = 2.5981 BTC [-] {4} 592642;1396170226;cazalla;why sell MisterE 592643;1396170229;cazalla;just keep stackin' 592644;1396170671;punkman1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=511457.0 592645;1396170672;ozbot;[ANN][KAR] KARPELESCOIN | OPEN POOL REGISTRATION | LAUNCH Mar 30 12:00 PM 592646;1396170695;punkman1;hah 3KARPE1ESwHERE1SoUrMoNEYxxxx8dXeC5 592647;1396170772;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.653 BTC [+] 592648;1396172053;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00094609 = 9.0825 BTC [+] {2} 592649;1396172785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1047 @ 0.00012001 = 0.1257 BTC [-] 592650;1396173422;punkman1;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJAT6fEn0zw 592651;1396173422;ozbot;Nigeria Coin - Coin for Nigeria - YouTube 592652;1396173695;*;andyfletcher has inherited 1,000,00 NigeriaCoin from a relative in Lagos and needs help transferring them 592653;1396173735;punkman1;I will trade you 1000 KarpelesCoin for it 592654;1396173827;andyfletcher;no thanks KarpelesCoins look scammy 592655;1396174022;punkman1;I heard neobee is launching a coin this week 592656;1396174029;punkman1;but you can only buy ads with it 592657;1396175198;cazalla;reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9I-UA4IBOc 592658;1396175230;cazalla;oops, wrong one, this one is more like nigeria coin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iqQcNqfTDU 592659;1396176119;chetty;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2592534/Is-farcical-use-taxpayers-money-Ethiopian-gets-legal-aid-UK-sue-giving-aid-Ethiopia.html 592660;1396176119;ozbot;Is this the most farcical use of taxpayers' money ever: Ethiopian gets legal aid from UK - to sue us 592661;1396176410;punkman1;so a farmer gets legal aid from UK, to sue the UK for sending too much money 592662;1396176415;punkman1;makes sense I guess 592663;1396176466;andyfletcher;Bit of a gray area. If UK foreign aid is supporting regimes who are abusing the local population then I don't have too much of an issue with a legal aided challenge to it regardless of who is doing the challenge 592664;1396176515;andyfletcher;After all, the locals are the ones with legal 'standing' in the matter 592665;1396177283;chetty;a bit messy in court when the taxpayer is funding both sides 592666;1396177665;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2153 @ 0.00094543 = 2.0355 BTC [-] {2} 592667;1396178153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8970 @ 0.00094615 = 8.487 BTC [+] 592668;1396178580;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06750332 = 0.27 BTC [-] 592669;1396179068;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 592670;1396179434;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00094809 = 7.7743 BTC [+] 592671;1396181691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 746 @ 0.00094809 = 0.7073 BTC [+] 592672;1396182301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00094462 = 3.9674 BTC [-] 592673;1396182362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1550 @ 0.00013205 = 0.2047 BTC [+] {3} 592674;1396182545;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.078 = 0.468 BTC [-] 592675;1396182911;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.00718998 = 0.5033 BTC [+] {3} 592676;1396183033;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.067501 = 0.7425 BTC [-] {3} 592677;1396183948;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06612 = 0.1984 BTC [-] 592678;1396184070;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06612 = 0.529 BTC [-] {2} 592679;1396184151;MGK;I heard this is the center of bitcoin, hello center 592680;1396184229;MisterE;hello 450 :) 592681;1396184547;chetty;hiya MGK 592682;1396184619;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.065 = 0.195 BTC [-] 592683;1396184848;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5980210#msg5980210 592684;1396184849;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings 592685;1396184849;mircea_popescu;pls t 592686;1396184854;mircea_popescu;pls to have informations ty. 592687;1396184973;psterryl;the more herp talks the more he comes across as extremely paranoid and pretty delusional 592688;1396185467;mircea_popescu;ahh that thread is too delicious 592689;1396186674;moiety;bitpop is still going?! ffs 592690;1396186787;mircea_popescu;o look who's here. when did the menuls let you out of the cage moiety ? 592691;1396186897;moiety;earlier, but i went to do things (mothers day here) - thats why they released me XD how are you mircea_popescu? 592692;1396186923;mircea_popescu;oh you know, all butthurt about how nobody is using mpex anymore because i'm a dinosaur 592693;1396186930;mircea_popescu;here in my old apartment, with the chains... 592694;1396186953;*;moiety hands mircea_popescu the tissues 592695;1396186961;moiety;there there 592696;1396186966;mircea_popescu;and this half pound of hand made chocolate pralines i bought yesterday from the... uh... from the pantry 592697;1396186991;moiety;pralines are ace, they should numb the pain 592698;1396187050;mircea_popescu;oh, but nothing can ever dull the pain of dissaproval by a bunch of anon tards on a forum somewhere. 592699;1396187054;mircea_popescu;that's the worst. 592700;1396187069;moiety;do you not still have the form i gave you? to the logs! 592701;1396187082;mircea_popescu;i really am having too much fun online these days. 592702;1396187104;mircea_popescu;how the fuck would one not is the question. this beats anything steve martin ever did. 592703;1396187130;moiety;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5981543#msg5981543 this thread has me reading the forum again and the dank bank 592704;1396187132;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings 592705;1396187167;mircea_popescu;the dank bank was epic lmao. -pr sends me the link with "you have to check this out" in the comment field, which you know, the fuck do i know what it is ? 592706;1396187177;mircea_popescu;totally blindsided me, i was roaring laughing. 592707;1396187210;moiety;me too lol insta-watch list addition for me 592708;1396187246;mircea_popescu;i think there's enough material of good crazy quality on that forum so far to hack the borg cube. 592709;1396187251;mircea_popescu;just you know... hash it, or something. 592710;1396187280;moiety;lololol more than enough 592711;1396187296;moiety;its the only reason to be there really, for me anyways 592712;1396187345;mircea_popescu;this is what, the... fourth installment of "we shall make our own webexchange and become rich out of lunch money" attempt that blew up ? 592713;1396187358;mircea_popescu;definitely looking forward to 2015. 592714;1396187382;moiety;XD only four? 592715;1396187396;*;andyfletcher is waiting for the headline "N&B CEO: Aliens ate our btc" 592716;1396187408;moiety;;; later tell BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=444700.0 this is you isn't it?! 592717;1396187408;gribble;The operation succeeded. 592718;1396187445;mircea_popescu;andyfletcher you happen to have that pic of 5 people, neo "ceo" guy on left, tuur guy next to him then 3 actual adults ? 592719;1396187446;deadweasel;the forums are seething with ignorance, I should block bitcointalk at the router. 592720;1396187452;mircea_popescu;some guy from the local uni etc 592721;1396187507;moiety;but but comedy 592722;1396187512;*;andyfletcher doesn't have the pic, but can imagine it 592723;1396187560;deadweasel;I can't block it, it's too rich. 592724;1396187563;MGK;where can I mine for PPS? 592725;1396187567;moiety;i've had a fair bit of idiocy to catch up on after ignoring btctalk existance for quite some time 592726;1396187589;mircea_popescu;MGK which are those ? 592727;1396187603;MGK;Pay Per Share 592728;1396187623;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/V40ebZQ.jpg it was something like that. 592729;1396187628;MGK;any pools still use that payment method? 592730;1396187643;mircea_popescu;MGK o you mean pools ? hm. 592731;1396187662;mircea_popescu;probably not. wasn't it eminently defraudable in some manner ? 592732;1396187662;MGK;yes pool that has PPS payment option 592733;1396187727;moiety;irrelevant but that room is gorgeous 592734;1396187743;mircea_popescu;well i imagine it musta been reasonably expensive. 592735;1396187749;MGK;Not totally sure 592736;1396187785;moiety;why do these places pair gorgeous ceilings with awful carpetting?! everywhere! 592737;1396187820;chetty;cause trolls have muddy feet 592738;1396187880;mircea_popescu;moiety it's an expense thing. expensive carpeting is expensive to maintain. gorgeous ceilings are a one time only sort of expense. 592739;1396187928;moiety;good point.. let them have linoleum! 592740;1396187974;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 312 @ 0.00088832 = 0.2772 BTC [+] 592741;1396188035;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00088832 = 0.1777 BTC [+] 592742;1396188039;mircea_popescu;"let them have linoleum and aim for the stars!" 592743;1396188256;moiety;could veen be marble pattern... 592744;1396188260;moiety;even* 592745;1396188297;moiety;imagine ukraine voted in darth vader.. what are they thinking running?! 592746;1396188826;MGK;anyone know how much IXC is or what that even is? and is dev coin worth anything? 592747;1396188891;mircea_popescu;you'll find few people here care about altcoins, outside perhaps atc and ltc, or to make fun of dodge. 592748;1396189004;MGK;only asked because ghash.io gives me them for mining bitcoin on their pool 592749;1396189023;MGK;and I have a decent amount now figured id ask about them 592750;1396189056;ThickAsThieves;i'd it stands for intraexchange currency 592751;1396189068;ThickAsThieves;and they probably issue it themselves as a token of some sort 592752;1396189071;ThickAsThieves;guess* 592753;1396189127;ThickAsThieves;;;google what is IXC at ghash.io 592754;1396189127;gribble;GHash.IO - Bitcoin: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/GHash.IO>; Reason why miners like me won't leave GHASH.IO or won't stop ...: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1useqk/reason_why_miners_like_me_wont_leave_ghashio_or/>; FAQ – CEX.IO: <https://support.cex.io/hc/en-us/categories/200118967-FAQ> 592755;1396189137;MGK;you cant trade IXC or Dev on their exchange so why would they hand them out? Must not be worth anything is what im thinking 592756;1396189164;ThickAsThieves;http://www.ixcoin.co/ 592757;1396189174;ThickAsThieves;"The Inter eXchange Coin" 592758;1396189174;punkman1;just an old altcoin that can be merge-mined 592759;1396189252;MGK;thanks 592760;1396189310;ThickAsThieves;thank google 592761;1396189323;mircea_popescu;i suppose merge mining does that, there'll be lots of abandocoins 592762;1396189324;ThickAsThieves;you should check it out: www.google.com 592763;1396189338;mircea_popescu;ie, stuff nobody cares about anymore but since they're merge-mined there's plenty floating around 592764;1396189430;MGK;wow never heard of google, great find! 592765;1396189451;mircea_popescu;lol 592766;1396189453;ThickAsThieves;it's hit and miss, but useful 592767;1396189474;mircea_popescu;I wonder if there's anyone who actually said this honestly today, somewhere on the planet 592768;1396189582;punkman1;likely 592769;1396189746;mircea_popescu;how tho. i mean most browsers ship with it embedded 592770;1396189776;punkman1;well kids are being born every second 592771;1396189805;mircea_popescu;but much akin people of the 90s though the blue ms explorer icon was "the internet" 592772;1396189830;mircea_popescu;just so people of the 2010s at that level have no particular understanding of google as apart from the normal functioning of their browser 592773;1396189904;ThickAsThieves;well you did say anyone in the world 592774;1396189919;ThickAsThieves;plenty in remote areas never heard of it i assume 592775;1396189955;ThickAsThieves;90yo grandmas in developing countries 592776;1396189964;ThickAsThieves;grammy this is google! 592777;1396189987;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06611111 = 0.6611 BTC [+] 592778;1396189988;mircea_popescu;hm 592779;1396190000;mircea_popescu;trying to imagine the world is such a mind boggling exercise. 592780;1396190151;punkman1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=549572.0;all 592781;1396190153;ozbot;[ANN] Litecoin [LTC] X11 hardfork at block 564,480 592782;1396190173;MGK;have you ever travelled much? 592783;1396190192;mircea_popescu;MGK yes. 592784;1396190201;mircea_popescu;punkman1 ouch. 592785;1396190233;punkman1;alt-altcoin 592786;1396190244;mircea_popescu;MisterE: heh, I got a little nervous nelly today, thought we were going to test 400, so I sold some coin for 484 that I bought at 505 :/ << that's how fortunes are made. 592787;1396190251;mircea_popescu;other people's, but what's in a genitive. 592788;1396190284;mircea_popescu;"To lower the footprint of LTC and retain GPU mineability, the algorithm of our choice is X11." footprint in what sense ? 592789;1396190292;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00094462 = 8.6433 BTC [-] 592790;1396190294;mircea_popescu;has "footprint" become one of those words ? 592791;1396190303;punkman1;environmental footprint most likely 592792;1396190381;mircea_popescu;but gpus are pretty inefficient 592793;1396190392;punkman1;and these people are not people 592794;1396190397;mircea_popescu;course it makes exactly zero difference, in the end. 592795;1396190413;mircea_popescu;people will expend as much energy as they're willing to expend, how many hashes that yields is a purely conventional measure 592796;1396190443;ThickAsThieves;I do wonder if LTC ASICs will kill it 592797;1396190467;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well, the forum crowd still hoping to "strike it rich" on their ten bux will proclaim it dead 592798;1396190471;mircea_popescu;or "a scam", either way. 592799;1396190488;ThickAsThieves;;;ticker 592800;1396190489;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 442.9, Best ask: 447.26, Bid-ask spread: 4.36000, Last trade: 442.9, 24 hour volume: 18908.29228525, 24 hour low: 442.89, 24 hour high: 501.9, 24 hour vwap: 473.125631005 592801;1396190499;ThickAsThieves;looks like that bottom will be put to the test 592802;1396190502;mircea_popescu;but that aside ltc was always an iffy proposition. and contrary to what the proponents were screaming, it hasn't really been lifted by btc so much. 592803;1396190535;ThickAsThieves;to me its only offer was pretty much what Altcoin proclaims 592804;1396190545;ThickAsThieves;to be the clearest alt in the fog 592805;1396190558;ThickAsThieves;but the fog is so thick now 592806;1396190563;ThickAsThieves;and newcomers cant see it 592807;1396190593;ThickAsThieves;to newcomers ltc has to win on the same ground as any other alt 592808;1396190604;mircea_popescu;i think this is actually true. 592809;1396190611;mircea_popescu;as outlandish as it may sound 592810;1396190613;turbo_ac100;(16:37:25) mircea_popescu: MisterE: heh, I got a little nervous nelly today, thought we were going to test 400, so I sold some coin for 484 that I bought at 505 :/ << that's how fortunes are made. << oracle of delphi, alexander the great 592811;1396190623;ThickAsThieves;all it has left, is its liquidity 592812;1396190625;mircea_popescu;lol 592813;1396190658;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves the liquidity problem of a crypto coin is problematic. i could present the following argument that atc actually has better liquidity : 592814;1396190675;mircea_popescu;the ratio between people willing to buy to support it and people needing to sell to pay for their mining is better. 592815;1396190686;MisterE;stamp testing 440 so not feeling too bad about it ;) 592816;1396190709;mircea_popescu;MisterE you already booked your loss no matter what other things happen around you. 592817;1396190709;ThickAsThieves;indeed 592818;1396190715;MisterE;yep 592819;1396190727;ThickAsThieves;however, I also suspect LTC may be used for money laundering 592820;1396190730;mircea_popescu;see, i bought 60 coins for 1k dollars in 2011. all through 2012 this was ~1k dollars loss. 592821;1396190732;ThickAsThieves;which makes a market for it 592822;1396190743;mircea_popescu;however, i never realised it, and so i can book a gain on that buy now if i feel like it. 592823;1396190754;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves what does that even mena ? 592824;1396190780;ThickAsThieves;well people selling btc for ltc trying to mix things 592825;1396190795;MisterE;trying to use the ratio to coin up 592826;1396190819;VanCleef;mircea needs to cash out and drive it back to single digits 592827;1396191126;moiety;my arsedness to deal with alts depletes everyday 592828;1396191138;ThickAsThieves;Estimated Next Difficulty:6,029,609,483 (+20.43%) 592829;1396191334;VanCleef;this bitcoiner that works upstairs from my office just jumped out from his window 592830;1396191428;deadweasel;suicide? 592831;1396191431;[KS];MP: you have some fans in teh Neo thread :) 592832;1396191432;ThickAsThieves;are you gonna pick his pockets? 592833;1396191489;VanCleef;#bitcoinsucidehelpline 592834;1396191529;ThickAsThieves;KS I think some of the quotes of MP you posted might be out of context 592835;1396191557;ThickAsThieves;the first two lines, I think he was talking about Litecoin 592836;1396191565;ThickAsThieves;but maybe not... 592837;1396191610;nubbins`;https://twitter.com/RPMCBC/status/450263996713926656 592838;1396191611;ozbot;Twitter / RPMCBC: Now playing ... uh.. D**k Surgery ... 592839;1396191611;*;nubbins` cackles 592840;1396191621;nubbins`;i wonder what sort of royalties i'm entitled to 592841;1396191651;VanCleef;tat got out of neobee at the perfect time 592842;1396191662;[KS];TAT: really? whuddathunk? :) 592843;1396191675;ThickAsThieves;odds are there were more perfect times VanCleef 592844;1396191688;VanCleef;yeh? 592845;1396191699;[KS];I'm making fun of MPOE PR but she's not biting :( 592846;1396191699;[KS];:) 592847;1396191735;kakobrekla;;;gettrust [KS] 592848;1396191735;gribble;Error: "KS" is not a valid command. 592849;1396191741;VanCleef;i like it when she bites...just a lil bit no raking 592850;1396191742;ThickAsThieves;hax 592851;1396191746;kakobrekla;dafuq 592852;1396191765;kakobrekla;you in the wot son? 592853;1396191767;[KS];I'm protected by the NSA 592854;1396191782;[KS];:) 592855;1396191800;kakobrekla;its something you answer with yes or no, not a smiley face 592856;1396191807;kakobrekla;but i take its a no 592857;1396191824;[KS];correct 592858;1396191891;[KS];(my previous "answer" was for 3 lines before) 592859;1396191915;mircea_popescu;[KS] i am dearly beloved wherever idiots gather. 592860;1396191954;mircea_popescu;nubbins` perhaps free moyle services for lyf ? 592861;1396191976;kakobrekla;re beloved: things which are alike, in nature, grow to look alike. 592862;1396192042;nubbins`;unfortunately i slept in, so i'm not sure which track they played 592863;1396192083;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla hehehe 592864;1396192119;mircea_popescu;"unfortunately confirmed with Niccocia that BREWSTER fled the country with thousands of coins from the IPVO and employees, unpaid employees and milions of dues to local businesses" 592865;1396192136;mircea_popescu;no fucking way anyone was stupid enough to credit that dude with millions. 592866;1396192185;punkman1;why not? 592867;1396192265;mircea_popescu;well i don't know how they do it in cyprus, but i've never extended millions in commercial credit on unpaid accounts. 592868;1396192295;mircea_popescu;generally you let a customer walk with a few k's, then they pay that... takes someone even mid level many years to work themselves up to where they can run a tab in the millions 592869;1396192312;mircea_popescu;whereas this teenager suddenly appeared last summer. 592870;1396192326;nubbins`;"i'll pay you for all those magazine ads soon, i swear" 592871;1396192333;mircea_popescu;[KS] yes, my two lines in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5984734#msg5984734 were actually a reply to ThickAsThieves' comment about litecoin 592872;1396192339;mircea_popescu;you read teh rules ? 592873;1396192366;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 74 @ 0.06271513 = 4.6409 BTC [-] {8} 592874;1396192368;chetty;I'll gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today 592875;1396192374;mircea_popescu;nubbins` ok, that may be an exception, seeing how nobody is interested in buying ads, and ESPECIALLY not at list prices, so if you're the sort of schmuck that may be tricked into it and they have nothing else to run anyway, 592876;1396192382;nubbins`;[KS] quoting out of context? tsk 592877;1396192388;mircea_popescu;they just might run $50k worth of ads and pretend they're owed $1.050 mn 592878;1396192423;mircea_popescu;but anyway, if you're curious : the last time i bought ads, cca 2006, i simply crossed out anyone who wasn't willing to go UNDER 50% of list price, and just negotiated with everyone else. 592879;1396192427;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 86 @ 0.06063386 = 5.2145 BTC [-] {5} 592880;1396192434;mircea_popescu;on average i paid if memory serves ~31% or so. 592881;1396192481;mircea_popescu;anyone thinking they can build a business out of paying ratecard has got a whole other layer of things wrong with their head. 592882;1396192569;nubbins`;the problem is that btc space is still infested -- almost completely -- with rubes 592883;1396192601;ThickAsThieves;rates get really good towards deadline too 592884;1396192610;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06050001 = 0.121 BTC [-] 592885;1396192615;nubbins`;drooling idiots falling over each other to "provide services", "offer funds", "invest", etc 592886;1396192643;mircea_popescu;myeah. 592887;1396192646;nubbins`;too many people hanging off the wheels of the airplane, i tell ya 592888;1396192662;mircea_popescu;but it's fuuuu...*splotch* 592889;1396192685;nubbins`;"my privately minted 10btc round is worth 40btc" 592890;1396192695;nubbins`;"we have a business plan" 592891;1396192696;nubbins`;etc 592892;1396192702;mircea_popescu;"we r ceo" 592893;1396192708;mircea_popescu;sounds like y-m-c-a 592894;1396192728;moiety;i was thinking D.I.S.C.O tune 592895;1396192776;nubbins`;"this idea will sell itself" 592896;1396192815;mircea_popescu;or that. 592897;1396192854;mircea_popescu;jesus fuck i can't believe how broken the internet is. anyway, investopedia is wrong. the definition of commercial credit has nothing to do with any bank. 592898;1396192870;mircea_popescu;commercial credit is created by any merchant that delivers goods to another but does not force them to pay right off. 592899;1396192901;nubbins`;"we can make a hardware wallet" 592900;1396192903;mircea_popescu;this de-facto creates some extra money in the system, and the aggregate is known as "commercial credit" 592901;1396192933;nubbins`;"paper wallets are too confusing" 592902;1396192983;mircea_popescu;MGK: I heard this is the center of bitcoin, hello center << lol i had just missed that. hello mgk. who are you ? 592903;1396193094;[KS];MP: I think you should pay me, I'm doing better PR than MPOE PR. Plus, I'm not deforming your words. Everything is verbatim! :) 592904;1396193130;nubbins`;[KS], i think YOU should pay ME! 592905;1396193145;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/ 592906;1396193146;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 592907;1396193161;mircea_popescu;"On the other hand professional also implies that you understand how context works, and will never ever under any circumstances omit relevant context when quoting, especially when such omission changes the meaning of your quote and the quoted then has to point this out to you" 592908;1396193163;MGK;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.220 592909;1396193180;nubbins`;^ 592910;1396193183;nubbins`;rather, ^^ 592911;1396193254;nubbins`;"i pasted a bunch of lines out of context in the forums, didn't link to the log, or even bother putting it inside a quote block. this guarantees that not only will nobody read it, but nobody who does can even verify its authenticity. i think you should pay me." 592912;1396193256;nubbins`;my sides, etc 592913;1396193288;[KS];Yup. Except it wasn't quoting if its not in "quotes". 592914;1396193294;[KS];http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp 592915;1396193304;nubbins`;you'll do well here 592916;1396193309;nubbins`;i can tell already 592917;1396193310;[KS];I'll post 2 lines to make that clear if you want. 592918;1396193326;mircea_popescu;[KS] eh get out, you're an otherwise smart fellow about to paint himself in a corner trying to argue nonsense of the sake of nonsense. 592919;1396193332;nubbins`;^ 592920;1396193346;mircea_popescu;it happens, irc is fluid, just fix it and forget about it. 592921;1396193367;nubbins`;thanks for the link to grammar book, btw 592922;1396193374;nubbins`;i literally did not know what quotation marks were 592923;1396193386;mircea_popescu;you mean "literally" 592924;1396193434;nubbins`;"thanks" 592925;1396193439;kakobrekla;does that mean 'being trashful'? 592926;1396193450;mircea_popescu;"oh yeah ? well i had sex with your wife!" 592927;1396193462;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla "that". 592928;1396193480;nubbins`;http://distractify.com/people/the-30-most-unnecessary-uses-of-quotation-marks-in-history/ 592929;1396193491;nubbins`;sorry for linking to some shit upworthy-esque website 592930;1396193501;nubbins`;but unnecessary quotes really tickle me 592931;1396193515;mircea_popescu;o look. there's a bunch of cracked.coms now 592932;1396193523;bounce;http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/decdd76e-b50e-11e3-a746-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2xRpg9i00 592933;1396193524;ozbot;Save capitalism from the capitalists by taxing wealth - FT.com 592934;1396193526;blackwhite;hola peeps 592935;1396193543;blackwhite;http://digitalinterface.blogspot.com/2014/03/strangecoin-proposal-for-nonlinear.html 592936;1396193544;ozbot;digital interface: Strangecoin: a nonlinear currency 592937;1396193575;mircea_popescu;bounce sounds just about forum-y. 592938;1396193585;mircea_popescu;blackwhite cliffnotes ? 592939;1396193585;kakobrekla;its a bitcoin with if rand() ==== 4; goto fail; 592940;1396193598;deadweasel;nubbins`: lol @ Objects in quotation marks. For, you know, reasons. 592941;1396193621;mircea_popescu;deadweasel nubbins` you know someone on the forum put mircea popescu in quotes ? 592942;1396193623;nubbins`;"security guard" 592943;1396193627;nubbins`;mp lel 592944;1396193629;mircea_popescu;like you know... i'm an allegedly me sort of thing 592945;1396193653;nubbins`;that's cute 592946;1396193656;deadweasel;allegedly 592947;1396193683;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha ring bell for "MEAT SERVICE" 592948;1396193686;bounce;$other_rag presented it as the short version of that guy's 600-odd page book. I'm sure he's got bad ideas mixed inextricably with the good like any economist would 592949;1396193690;mircea_popescu;totally needs a nude gal next to the frozen turkeys. 592950;1396193707;[KS];"<mircea_popescu> like you know... i'm an allegedly me sort of thing" - I can see a quote coming... :) 592951;1396193725;mircea_popescu;i dun recall where it was, maybe the neo bee thread 592952;1396193753;nubbins`;putting "thanks" in quotes is the best 592953;1396193755;mircea_popescu;He's the one who totally won't inject your breasts with cement. Totally not that one. 592954;1396193764;nubbins`;if you are "pregnant"... 592955;1396193784;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many women go around the daily chores of their cocksucking on camera life *thinking* they have saline solution breast implants 592956;1396193789;mircea_popescu;when in fact it's really urine. 592957;1396193814;deadweasel;yuck 592958;1396193834;deadweasel;why yo titties so sloshy bitch? 592959;1396193933;mircea_popescu;http://zeqps2k4t563atbs730zvzq12aw.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1858.jpg 592960;1396193935;mircea_popescu;pretty good one 592961;1396193946;mircea_popescu;picture john cleese going "well it's not bloody england now is it!" 592962;1396194056;nubbins`;lel 592963;1396194063;mircea_popescu;http://zeqps2k4t563atbs730zvzq12aw.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/quote6.jpg aaaahahaha 592964;1396194066;nubbins`;immediately below: "management reserves the right to refuse service..." 592965;1396194072;Mats_cd03;id like my pee to be used to inflate boobies one day 592966;1396194079;Mats_cd03;what an honor 592967;1396194080;nubbins`;WHOA 592968;1396194081;mircea_popescu;you know "the throne" is common romanian parlance for the toilet bowl/seat ? 592969;1396194086;mircea_popescu;russian too afaik 592970;1396194135;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 400 @ 0.00645971 = 2.5839 BTC [+] {9} 592971;1396194145;pankkake;french too 592972;1396194177;[KS];MP there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=post;topic=289730.4140;num_replies=4145 592973;1396194186;[KS];happy? :) 592974;1396194189;nubbins`;english too 592975;1396194192;[KS];I'm off. Good fun. 592976;1396194200;nubbins`;aka porcelain throne 592977;1396194208;mircea_popescu;"Only registered members are allowed to access this section." da fuck was that. 592978;1396194215;nubbins`;aka the ralph & bob telephone 592979;1396194275;mircea_popescu;"Its 2010, and a passenger is trying to bring her live goldfish through security. One of my co-workers informs her that the fish can go through but the water cannot. The woman is on the verge of tears" 592980;1396194287;mircea_popescu;that'd be so epic. i'd have just taken the motherfucking fish. 592981;1396194291;mircea_popescu;seat it on the seat next to me 592982;1396194301;mircea_popescu;"sorry, obama's direct orders" 592983;1396194305;nubbins`;pop it in her mouth 592984;1396194312;mircea_popescu;supreme court says this is not a fish. 592985;1396194317;mircea_popescu;it's a tax. 592986;1396194326;nubbins`;there's usually water for sale on the other side of security 592987;1396194334;mircea_popescu;gold fish in mineral water 592988;1396194341;mircea_popescu;ahem. i mean "gold fish in mineral water" 592989;1396194347;nubbins`;i mean if the guard wasn't such a dick he'd have a glass of secure water on the other side of the xray 592990;1396194355;nubbins`;she could just pluck the fish out and pass it thru 592991;1396194372;mircea_popescu;stick a little q-tip in its mouyth first 592992;1396194440;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.65984978 = 1.9795 BTC [+] {3} 592993;1396194612;nubbins`;swab for explosives 592994;1396194613;nubbins`;good idea 592995;1396194627;mircea_popescu;some fish puff up 592996;1396194632;mircea_popescu;it's almost like an explosion. 592997;1396194641;nubbins`;incidentally we were dismantled and swabbed when returning from colombia 592998;1396194655;nubbins`;canada customs asked my travelling partner: "so how was the cocaine?" 592999;1396194663;nubbins`;never saw a man lose color so quickly 593000;1396194675;mircea_popescu;see, this is why you train the entourage. 593001;1396194684;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11763 @ 0.00094429 = 11.1077 BTC [-] {2} 593002;1396194693;nubbins`;all they found on me was a GIGANTIC SPIDER hidden in my hammock 593003;1396194697;mircea_popescu;the correct response is "i can't remember, his cock was just fucking fantastic i forgot all about everything else" 593004;1396194707;nubbins`;i shouted JESUS CHRIST and the nice customs man stomped it to a paste 593005;1396195172;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44074060 BTC to 4`860 shares, 50221 satoshi per share 593006;1396195184;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5985816#msg5985816 593007;1396195185;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings 593008;1396195195;kakobrekla;the high mpoe-pr priest has converted another one! 593009;1396195289;mircea_popescu;lmao who's cassandra-pr 593010;1396196280;moiety;oh christ http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/30/this-200000-gold-ferrari-convertible-is-fit-for-a-kickboxing-champion-4683140/ 593011;1396196284;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'pleasure throne' link from your 'twitter' seems to be a knock-off of the famous 'sybian' auto-wanker. 593012;1396196301;mircea_popescu;certainly. 593013;1396196357;asciilifeform;what's interesting is that the photo looks like it was taken at a tech trade show 593014;1396196385;mircea_popescu;and the two look like a sort of midwestern bouvard & pecuchet 593015;1396196435;asciilifeform;;;google teledildonics 593016;1396196435;gribble;Teledildonics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teledildonics>; Teledildonics: The Weird, Wonderful World of Social Sex Toys: <http://gizmodo.com/teledildonics-the-weird-wonderful-world-of-social-sex-1516075707>; Teledildonics – there's an app for that! (NSFW) - Gizmag: <http://www.gizmag.com/lovepalz-iphone-teledildonics-app/24254/> 593017;1396196506;mircea_popescu;"Levy argued that by 2050 "sex with robots will be commonplace." 593018;1396196523;mircea_popescu;this is such a weak statement. sex with whatever has at hand has been commonplace since forever, 593019;1396196534;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as by sex you mean copulation and ejaculation 593020;1396197450;TestingUnoDosTre;;;ticker 593021;1396197451;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 440.04, Best ask: 440.37, Bid-ask spread: 0.33000, Last trade: 440.37, 24 hour volume: 24513.27393403, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 501.9, 24 hour vwap: 465.965967901 593022;1396198344;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00615339 = 0.1723 BTC [-] {5} 593023;1396198406;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.659499 BTC [-] 593024;1396198422;tg2;Teledildonics 593025;1396198528;tg2;xdotcommer ^ 593026;1396198545;tg2;Has a phd in this field 593027;1396198645;benkay;;;gpg everify benkay 593028;1396198645;gribble;Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one. 593029;1396198650;benkay;;;gpg eauth benkay 593030;1396198651;gribble;Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@216-161-94-151.ptld.qwest.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7 593031;1396198682;benkay;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9b1f48c2d3f7308c2bfc37b583412ab487e081fbf3942171827ad295 593032;1396198682;benkay; 593033;1396198683;gribble;You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7 593034;1396198770;benkay;"A braindamaged assumption is that on account of any sort of “qualifications” or simply on account of your existence you’re pretty cool and certainly equal to anyone else. " 593035;1396198800;benkay;the20year2: "The market is the best instrument for both pricing assets and allocating capital that humans have stumbled upon so far." 593036;1396198811;benkay;i forgot all about rules and regs 593037;1396198814;mircea_popescu;these words... 593038;1396198817;mircea_popescu;they sound familiar 593039;1396198834;benkay;just sucking up, mp 593040;1396198844;benkay;http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/ 593041;1396198845;mircea_popescu;o are you a sock ? 593042;1396198845;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 593043;1396198852;benkay;i'm actually you 593044;1396198861;benkay;can't you tell by my rating? 593045;1396198865;benkay;it's all from your other socks. 593046;1396198945;mircea_popescu;i aspire to have 365 pairs of socks 593047;1396198958;mircea_popescu;that way, i can launder money only once a year. 593048;1396198969;benkay;sounds sticky 593049;1396199014;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've often wondered if there is, somewhere, a literal 'money laundry' - for trips to Dubai, etc. where a nanogram of coke merits the firing squad 593050;1396199044;mircea_popescu;you can mostly just put it in the wash 593051;1396199054;AccountantPierre;Bonjour 593052;1396199075;benkay;allo 593053;1396199126;mircea_popescu;salu 593054;1396199153;AccountantPierre;I'm the treasurer over at the new Satoshi Nakamoto Institute. My colleague Daniel published a new piece today: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/hyperbitcoinization/ Interested to hear intelligent opinions/feedback 593055;1396199183;benkay;;;google good money drives out bad 593056;1396199183;gribble;Gresham's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham's_law>; Gresham's Law Definition | Investopedia: <http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/greshams-law.asp>; Gresham's law (economics) -- Encyclopedia Britannica: <http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/245850/Greshams-law> 593057;1396199203;AccountantPierre;Thier's Law applies to Bitcoin, not Gresham's 593058;1396199211;benkay;kinda an old saw, this 'demonetization' thing. 593059;1396199237;mircea_popescu;AccountantPierre were you here before / are you related to Pierre Rochard ? 593060;1396199243;AccountantPierre;That's me 593061;1396199258;mircea_popescu;aite i'll read it once im done with this cunt size post for trilema. 593062;1396199280;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cunt size post ?! 593063;1396199284;asciilifeform;;;google go no go gauge 593064;1396199284;gribble;Go/no go gauge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go/no_go_gauge>; GO/NO-GO GAUGE SETS | Brownells: <http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/measuring-tools/headspace-gauges/go-no-go-gauge-sets-prod26876.aspx>; Go No Go Gauge | eBay: <http://www.ebay.com/bhp/go-no-go-gauge> 593065;1396199307;benkay;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/ 593066;1396199307;gribble;The operation succeeded. 593067;1396199319;benkay;wd AccountantPierre 593068;1396199338;benkay;are those collections available as a single file? 593069;1396199381;AccountantPierre;benkay: enjoy https://github.com/NakamotoInstitute/nakamotoinstitute.org/blob/master/satoshiposts.json 593070;1396199506;benkay;o wow mises circle's been busy too 593071;1396199534;AccountantPierre;yep. We'll be transitioning all of our bitcoin posts from the mises circle to SNI 593072;1396199551;benkay;AccountantPierre: why is your name still on the Foundation website? 593073;1396199555;benkay;;;gettrust AccountantPierre 593074;1396199555;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user AccountantPierre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=AccountantPierre | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=AccountantPierre | Rated since: never 593075;1396199577;AccountantPierre;Where? 593076;1396199586;benkay;https://members.bitcoinfoundation.org/current 593077;1396199616;AccountantPierre;huh, didn't know they publish that. I'm a big tent kind of guy, I post in the foundation forums 593078;1396199667;benkay;careful your tent doesn't get lit on fire by bfl shareholders 593079;1396199670;benkay;er 593080;1396199672;benkay;preorderer 593081;1396199677;benkay;arglarglargl 593082;1396199686;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1820 @ 0.00013796 = 0.2511 BTC [+] {3} 593083;1396199687;AccountantPierre;haha 593084;1396200031;TestingUnoDosTre;.d 593085;1396200031;ozbot;5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1077 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.7098% in 6d 10h 37m 2s 593086;1396200142;mircea_popescu;AccountantPierre who draw that cartoon ? 593087;1396200152;mircea_popescu;drew* 593088;1396200174;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 450 @ 0.0064828 = 2.9173 BTC [+] {10} 593089;1396200261;mircea_popescu;AccountantPierre also this is prolly of interest re the entire hyperinflation/demonetisaiton : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#468962 593090;1396200309;mircea_popescu;it is an old saw, as benkay points out. that particular link references earlier reports provided by herbi who actually run the pinksheets and found the highest stock increase in the history of stock increases fails to come within one degree of magnitude of bitcoin's. 593091;1396200405;moiety;http://i.imgur.com/e0tEBsV.jpg 593092;1396200417;mircea_popescu;so to sum up, the piece suffers from the same problem illustrated by the opening cartoon : a mostly banal piece with very poor references. surely people outside of the mises circle must have written about these matters, perhaps for years. 593093;1396200419;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.65982142 = 4.6187 BTC [+] {4} 593094;1396200420;benkay;put it on a pleasure throne, moiety 593095;1396200426;moiety;hihi benkay, how goes today 593096;1396200455;asciilifeform;'pleasurethrone.com' appears defunct. 593097;1396200459;mircea_popescu;also disqus is fucking evil. 593098;1396200464;asciilifeform;guess they didn't sell that well 593099;1396200504;mircea_popescu;can you picture a woman buying dildos from those two guys ? 593100;1396200506;AccountantPierre;mircea_popescu: Daniel drew it. I'm thinking we'll phase out disqus and roll our own 593101;1396200513;mircea_popescu;they couldn't pass the genuine article for free. 593102;1396200524;mircea_popescu;AccountantPierre so then you know, say "Daniel drew it" 593103;1396200553;mircea_popescu;generally speaking you have no better way to ruin a first impression on the web than unsourced material 593104;1396200567;mircea_popescu;(other than perhaps bad tech solutions, a la disqus) 593105;1396200595;moiety;mircea_popescu: i thought that lol - the sign behind them says, "you are limited only by your imagination" errr and those chaps 593106;1396200655;mircea_popescu;moiety the idea of giving you a crown for fucking... 593107;1396200660;AccountantPierre;I'll take that criticism, but we do have to allocate our time as best we can 593108;1396200693;benkay;dunce cap 593109;1396200699;benkay;gotta work that into the routine 593110;1396200703;mircea_popescu;which part is the timesink ? 593111;1396200704;benkay;dunce cap and collar 593112;1396200723;AccountantPierre;creating a comments section 593113;1396200740;mircea_popescu;oh 593114;1396200749;moiety;lololol 593115;1396200749;AccountantPierre;benkay: I'll get started on making one, I need it a lot as twenty something 593116;1396200769;benkay;making which, AccountantPierre ? 593117;1396200776;AccountantPierre;the dunce cap 593118;1396200792;mircea_popescu;"There's no bigger joke than this mpex dude and his army of spamtroll donkeys." that's funny, because the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing a bunch of forum derps that he's running the largest shill stable in the world without having to actually pay a cent for it. 593119;1396200802;benkay;o hey look i don't even need to make my own sexy acoutremont any more, thanks -assets 593120;1396200814;mircea_popescu;AccountantPierre you know you can just register #satoshi-institute 593121;1396200815;mircea_popescu;or /we 593122;1396200830;mircea_popescu;"if you want to discuss our articles, click here" 593123;1396200838;benkay;nubbins`: lol'd @ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2014&bots=true#592998 593124;1396200867;nubbins`;bright fella 593125;1396200897;AccountantPierre;I like that idea, the issue is the lack of distinct threads 593126;1396200961;benkay;AccountantPierre: emails. 593127;1396200965;benkay;append to post. 593128;1396200968;benkay;do it ghetto stylee 593129;1396200971;mircea_popescu;may turn out to be an advantage. but anyway. 593130;1396200982;benkay;best thing is this makes for no comments 593131;1396200989;mircea_popescu;the main focus should be much better integration. i can appreciate that a trained accountant wants to keep things well separate 593132;1396200995;mircea_popescu;but the internet does not, nor does the brain. 593133;1396201000;mircea_popescu;nor, for that matter, bitcoin. 593134;1396201006;mircea_popescu;so, reference more. 593135;1396201030;AccountantPierre;true. Appreciate your thoughts. If people knew git they could do a pull request with their comment 593136;1396201068;mircea_popescu;conversely, maybe only getting comments from people who know git is a blessing. 593137;1396201082;mircea_popescu;i know only talking to people who can run irc has worked ok for me these past coupla years. 593138;1396201095;benkay;GIT COMMENTS 593139;1396201099;benkay;HORY SHIT 593140;1396201121;mircea_popescu;benkay u jelly ? 593141;1396201130;benkay;what, of an idea? get lost. 593142;1396201138;mircea_popescu;u r aintcha. 593143;1396201146;mircea_popescu;you knew that email klutz is klutzy 593144;1396201146;benkay;or the massive corpus of ideas you have access to recombine on demand? 593145;1396201165;benkay;my life is extremely klutzy 593146;1396201174;mircea_popescu;so so helly :D 593147;1396201187;benkay;one day i'll be old too 593148;1396201190;benkay;you'll be senile 593149;1396201192;benkay;we'll be even 593150;1396201214;mircea_popescu;hehehe 593151;1396201271;benkay;http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/01/24/1750472/why-its-tough-being-in-an-altcoin-cartel/ 593152;1396201272;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 276 @ 0.00088832 = 0.2452 BTC [+] 593153;1396201275;ozbot;Why it’s tough being in an altcoin cartel | FT Alphaville 593154;1396201354;benkay;link sux disregard 593155;1396201364;Mats_cd03;nub 593156;1396201385;benkay;feelings 593157;1396201496;nubbins`;heh apparently the cbc introduced our band as "D-something surgery" 593158;1396201505;nubbins`;bit too racy for 10am on a sunday, i guess 593159;1396201558;mircea_popescu;nubbins` so are you sold out yet ? 593160;1396201564;benkay;lol girls mom just called me 593161;1396201576;benkay;"hi b plz get k to call me i'd like to talk to her about something" 593162;1396201577;mircea_popescu;can i tell all the chicks i used to listen to dick surgery back before they were all commercialised crap ? 593163;1396201597;nubbins`;we're technically not sellouts until we get airplay on a station that isn't supported by tax dollars ;D 593164;1396201649;benkay;girls voicemail has been filled with momversations. now its time for mine. 593165;1396201779;nubbins`;"A guy orders 25 hits. I send him a 5x5 sheet. His feedback reads "The hit was very large but I managed to fit it in my mouth. The lines were neat. Good trip". I wonder if the guy thought the 25 hits were one!?" 593166;1396201780;nubbins`;hahah 593167;1396201797;benkay;mircea_popescu: my klutzy ass would implement patches over email anyways 593168;1396201805;nubbins`;guy takes 5000ug of LSD. "good trip." 593169;1396201821;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00094253 = 11.7345 BTC [-] {4} 593170;1396201866;mircea_popescu;well... you can't really od on the stuff can you ? 593171;1396202010;nubbins`;not in the sense that you'll cause damage to your body, no 593172;1396202031;nubbins`;psychological effects, different story 593173;1396202049;Mats_cd03;urban myth 593174;1396202052;nubbins`;great way to get a permanent thousand-yard stare 593175;1396202067;nubbins`;Mats_cd03: i'm not saying "guy now thinks he's an orange" or anything 593176;1396202080;tg2;I think you could probably kill yourself as a result of taking to much lsd 593177;1396202092;tg2;But not an od on it per se 593178;1396202128;Mats_cd03;ive eaten vials of the stuff and im mostly all here 593179;1396202144;tg2;Just getting yourself into a dangerous predicament because of it 593180;1396202146;BCB;what is going on with Neo and Bee at Havelock 593181;1396202147;nubbins`;nod, worst that usually happens is that people start thinking you're a bit odd 593182;1396202171;benkay;then your hair goes all frizzy and white 593183;1396202172;nubbins`;but the same could happen from any number of intense experiences 593184;1396202180;nubbins`;BCB: nothing ;D 593185;1396202183;benkay;BCB: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/28_havelock-freezes-neobee-trading-thickasthieves-steps-down-as-fund-manager.html 593186;1396202187;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 86 @ 0.007 = 0.602 BTC [-] 593187;1396202218;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=518131.msg5727530#msg5727530[color=green 593188;1396202220;ozbot;Herp Rating Agency 593189;1396202223;mircea_popescu;herp had a rating agency ? 593190;1396202229;mircea_popescu;the forum never ends. 593191;1396202245;mircea_popescu;"Herp Rating Agency is an initiative born out of the need for due diligence in the Bitcoin ecosystem." 593192;1396202248;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 142 @ 0.007 = 0.994 BTC [-] 593193;1396202250;benkay;neo and bee - buy 593194;1396202259;benkay;a++ rating would read again 593195;1396202267;BCB;benkay, hmmm... another bitcoin scam? 593196;1396202272;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/7w1dawk.jpg 593197;1396202274;kakobrekla;nubbins` this thing you linked earlier from the log, its in the bash, this one precisely: 593198;1396202277;kakobrekla;BCB http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=43 593199;1396202285;benkay;BCB: save your cash and assume anything on Havelock is a scam. 593200;1396202297;mircea_popescu;few better ways to establish credibility than to awkwardly cut away the watermark on some unrelated design 593201;1396202318;nubbins`;kakobrekla, one of my finer moments 593202;1396202337;benkay;;;later tell JorgePasada hey lookie you're famous now: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=90 593203;1396202337;gribble;The operation succeeded. 593204;1396202341;BCB;benkay, so neo and bee is as scammy as havelock? 593205;1396202362;kakobrekla;no, the other way around i think 593206;1396202370;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 1.41654500 BTC to 21`793 shares, 6500 satoshi per share 593207;1396202376;BCB;havelock is as scammy os neo and bee 593208;1396202388;nubbins`;nah man, HIF is totally gonna pay dividends like they promised 593209;1396202389;benkay;BCB: impossible to differentiate incompetence and malice from this dimension 593210;1396202417;benkay;hey youse guise today i learned bitcoin doesn't have the discipline to be a monopoly 593211;1396202417;nubbins`;they're totally not an order of magnitude short on volume-based trading fees either 593212;1396202419;benkay;http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/01/23/1749972/attack-of-the-killer-rentiers/? 593213;1396202422;ozbot;Attack of the killer rentiers | FT Alphaville 593214;1396202424;BCB;benkay, tuur demeester was a big proponent of neo and bee 593215;1396202433;benkay;BCB: so? 593216;1396202436;nubbins`;turd meister? 593217;1396202444;benkay;shh nubbins` where are your manners 593218;1396202445;nubbins`;A+++++ would trust based on name 593219;1396202453;BCB;benkay, I thought he was one of the good guys ( like mircea popescu ) 593220;1396202466;benkay;what is good? 593221;1396202472;kakobrekla;good is bad. 593222;1396202477;BCB;benkay, does his due dilligence. 593223;1396202483;MykelSIlver;You can't even trust Satoshi 593224;1396202488;BCB;everyone just reads press releases like they are FACT 593225;1396202495;benkay;inability to distinguish between people who say things that sound nice to your ears and people who routinely make good calls is the source of a lot of wasted BTC. 593226;1396202503;BCB;coindesk is the worst thing to come along in bitcoin land 593227;1396202514;mircea_popescu;BCB there's a lengthy history of dubious ventures enlisting otherwise good guys who are a little bit naive and a little bit in over their head. 593228;1396202524;mircea_popescu;labcoin did it, activemining did it, pirate definitely did it. 593229;1396202526;benkay;BCB: i've yet to read a thing from him that was particularly useful. granted, i've not dug in depth. 593230;1396202542;kakobrekla;labcoin was not a naive thing 593231;1396202547;BCB;benkay, I don't read him all all but he is all over the place 593232;1396202549;kakobrekla;nor was pirate 593233;1396202555;mircea_popescu;people are slow to learn this lesson, especially because otherwise good guys with a diploma imagine retarded shit a la "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" and eschew sucking their cocks. 593234;1396202558;kakobrekla;active i dunno. 593235;1396202568;benkay;BCB: all over where? i'm pretty well read and he doesn't even register on my feeds. 593236;1396202569;BCB;mircea_popescu, what about jon matonis 593237;1396202577;mircea_popescu;there's this philosophy of "do everything by yourself" prevalent in the us, and it is getting people in trouble in bitcoin space something fierce. 593238;1396202580;kakobrekla;what about roger ver 593239;1396202589;BCB;kakobrekla, criminal 593240;1396202606;mircea_popescu;BCB im not about to discuss individuals unless i have something specific to say. 593241;1396202631;BCB;mircea_popescu, shocking. I guess I should MOP PR 593242;1396202636;BCB;*ask 593243;1396202646;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla i dunno, re pirate say, i believe people like copumpkin were moreover clueless and well meaning in their dysfunctional, social-justice-y sort of way 593244;1396202650;kakobrekla;you meant MOB PR? 593245;1396202652;mircea_popescu;rather than outright criminal. 593246;1396202680;mircea_popescu;BCB she's worse in that respect. by the time she's calling out your name you're going down. 593247;1396202700;BCB;mircea_popescu, the pirate victims were just greedy 593248;1396202706;BCB;blinded by greed 593249;1396202707;benkay;AccountantPierre: this is what you want to be writing http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/01/06/1733392/when-qe-becomes-decentralised/ 593250;1396202719;BCB;pigs get fatter hogs get slaughtered 593251;1396202725;mircea_popescu;benkay what is with you and ft blogs. they're unreadable. 593252;1396202744;the20year2;benkay: which market? 593253;1396202764;benkay;the20year2: are you serious? 593254;1396202781;the20year2;i just ctrl+f your sentence and didn't read much previous from there 593255;1396202805;benkay;The market 593256;1396202811;benkay;i don't-- 593257;1396202817;BCB;mircea_popescu, what about the bitcoin foundation 593258;1396202822;benkay;uuaghuaghuaa 593259;1396202838;benkay;mircea_popescu: must be my broken american brainz 593260;1396202850;benkay;(Diablo-D3: graiiinz) 593261;1396202867;BCB;has anyone read the new o'reiley bitcoin book? 593262;1396202881;Diablo-D3;benkay: hee 593263;1396202907;mircea_popescu;BCB teh scamdation has collected btc donations, failed to release reports and then collected more btc "donations" from various scams it vouched for. 593264;1396202908;kakobrekla;BCB the questions you are asking re people and stuff have mostly been talked about. search around the logs and blogs, this is not a spoonfeeding party 593265;1396202925;mircea_popescu;pretty much the best way to ensure you won't get anywhere in bitcoin is to involve yourself with the bitcoin foundation. 593266;1396202931;BCB;kakobrekla, I'm bored. Sorry 593267;1396202944;mircea_popescu;it's roughly speaking the nambla of this space. 593268;1396202970;kakobrekla;North American Man/Boy Love Association ? 593269;1396202981;mircea_popescu;the same 593270;1396202991;BCB;kakobrekla, I'm writing a bash implementation of a blockchain parser and I needed to take a break 593271;1396202993;AccountantPierre;benkay: "private QE" is as played out as "monetization". Unsurprisingly I prefer my own analytical framework: http://themisescircle.org/blog/2013/12/15/the-bitcoin-central-banks-perfect-monetary-policy/ 593272;1396203017;BCB;AccountantPierre, I thought you guys were closing down the misescircle 593273;1396203034;TestingUnoDosTre;;;ticker 593274;1396203035;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 456.55, Best ask: 457.97, Bid-ask spread: 1.42000, Last trade: 457.97, 24 hour volume: 29003.93489152, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 463.413765818 593275;1396203038;AccountantPierre;Not closing down, but transitioning bitcoin stuff to SNI 593276;1396203046;BCB;ahh 593277;1396203057;benkay;AccountantPierre: you said synergistically 593278;1396203066;benkay;my eyes are bleeding 593279;1396203108;AccountantPierre;benkay: you're welcome 593280;1396203153;benkay;AccountantPierre: fiduciary media aren't impossible, just nigh impossible 593281;1396203164;BCB;mircea_popescu, BTW i'm an excellent monopoly player 593282;1396203165;benkay;with a TB blockchain, they may become necessary. 593283;1396203213;mircea_popescu;BCB it's a trivial game really. 593284;1396203224;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 57 @ 0.007 = 0.399 BTC [-] 593285;1396203248;novusordo;it was fun to play for BTC a year or so back 593286;1396203267;novusordo;some OTCers made a channel for it, don't remember what it was 593287;1396203291;AccountantPierre;benkay: that quickly gets into a semantic debate of what fiduciary media is. I don't view off-blockchain transactions with coinbase-bux to be fiduciary media. You'd have to create something I can send to a bitcoin address and the recipient thinks its bitcoins. Nigh impossible indeed 593288;1396203299;mircea_popescu;i vaguely recall the monopoly btc thing 593289;1396203323;benkay;that's a neat position on fidiuciary media. 593290;1396203336;the20year2;Are you an accountant? 593291;1396203374;novusordo;mircea_popescu: i remember playing it with aethero and lucidlepidoptera, lol 593292;1396203376;mircea_popescu;o yeah, check this out, a match made in heaven. 593293;1396203389;mircea_popescu;AccountantPierre what'd you need to be paid to audit the20year2's rental properties corp ? 593294;1396203412;mircea_popescu;novusordo are those two still together ? 593295;1396203418;novusordo;not a clue 593296;1396203436;mircea_popescu;stormy was pretty hot. aethero was... pretty strange. 593297;1396203438;AccountantPierre;a real audit or just some specific due diligence procedures? 593298;1396203443;mircea_popescu;a real audit. 593299;1396203457;mircea_popescu;certify his book. 593300;1396203459;AccountantPierre;estimated amount of assets? visiting properties could get expensive, where are they? 593301;1396203463;nubbins`;aethero was just mentioned in -otc 593302;1396203465;mircea_popescu;all in ohio. 593303;1396203467;nubbins`;regarding ops that went bad 593304;1396203470;the20year2;~$500k of assets including bitcoin 593305;1396203495;the20year2;6 properties, central Ohio , although i don't know if physical inspection would be absolutely needed when you could just get deed copies 593306;1396203523;mircea_popescu;AccountantPierre afaik it's not customary to do a ground inspection if torrens title is available neh ? 593307;1396203528;mircea_popescu;o wait, the us doesn't use torrens 593308;1396203539;the20year2;We file deeds at the county auditor 593309;1396203563;*;mircea_popescu is pretty well clueless as to real estate auditing procedures adequate for central ohio 593310;1396203570;AccountantPierre;depends on risk assessment at beginning of audit 593311;1396203577;the20year2;I'm not aware of any state that uses torrens, though canada I believe does 593312;1396203583;the20year2;What kind of risk assessment? 593313;1396203609;mircea_popescu;the20year2 well if the auditor suspects fraud or under some court mandates etc. 593314;1396203645;AccountantPierre;risk of material misstatement of the financials. $25k for a one man cpa shop. 593315;1396203665;the20year2;Ouch 593316;1396203680;mircea_popescu;AccountantPierre for my own repository of factoids, what's the insurance premium hike look like after a forfeit for material misstatement ? 593317;1396203721;AccountantPierre;Insurance for the CPA firm or for the audit client? Either way, no clue, never dealt with that kind of insurance 593318;1396203732;mircea_popescu;the insurane firm 593319;1396203735;the20year2;I wasn't aware they sold insurance to CPAs 593320;1396203737;mircea_popescu;uh, you're not insured ?! 593321;1396203743;mircea_popescu;whoa ?! 593322;1396203757;the20year2;I'm not a CPA 593323;1396203771;AccountantPierre;there are thousands of people at my firm, division of labor, someone else takes care of that 593324;1396203773;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0009444 = 16.1492 BTC [+] {2} 593325;1396203779;AccountantPierre;"my firm" as in "my employer" 593326;1396203792;mircea_popescu;aha. 593327;1396203814;BCB;mircea_popescu, I could reccomend a cpa for around 10K for a full audit 593328;1396203834;mircea_popescu;kinda besides the point now isn't it. 593329;1396203843;the20year2;When we were looking for book audits for a TSX listing possibility they ran $15k/yr 593330;1396203898;the20year2;Of course $25k might not be terribly bad if you're sending a guy to Ohio to physically visit properties and review deed copies 593331;1396203912;benkay;kinda one of those things you expect a REIT to be able to afford. 593332;1396203913;BCB;novusordo, what ever happened to aethero, anyone know? 593333;1396203942;the20year2;Not for one with only 6 properties and less than $500k of properties, that's 5% a year in just audits 593334;1396203944;BCB;mircea_popescu, hire a certified CPA in ohio 593335;1396203968;the20year2;Would make alot more sense to just hire a 3rd party agent or title company to do the investigation, hire a title search on all the properties, will run you $75/ea 593336;1396203987;AccountantPierre;Yeah, hire a local guy, not a big 4 firm based out of nyc 593337;1396203987;benkay;doesn't really sound like a REIT at that scale. more like a hodgepodge. 593338;1396203989;the20year2;$150-$200 for lawyer review 593339;1396204086;mircea_popescu;BCB he tried to start some sort of business, listed it on btct if memory serves, and well... just like all the others. 593340;1396204127;BCB;mircea_popescu, he left a lot of guys on otc and btcjam holding the bag as well 593341;1396204139;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05699999 = 0.342 BTC [+] 593342;1396204140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.00714999 = 0.286 BTC [+] {2} 593343;1396204155;mircea_popescu;yeah i guess this match wasn't made in heaven in any sense. a well :p 593344;1396204261;the20year2;We were on BF when they closed up 593345;1396205029;mircea_popescu;moiety https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5988372#msg5988372 they are on to you nao my fine scottish friend. 593346;1396205212;the20year2;anyone understand what's going on with neobee? 593347;1396205386;benkay;there are two facts. 593348;1396205413;moiety;mircea_popescu: lolol holy fuck lol i hope mpoe-pr isnt offended. i would like to reply, they should go here http://i.imgur.com/Z7lAjiF.jpg 593349;1396205425;Duffer1;must be odd to be called a scammer by minerpart 593350;1396205517;benkay;http://f3000.tumblr.com/ 593351;1396205518;ozbot;FUCK3000 593352;1396205708;andyfletcher;It is all getting more than a bit personal on bitcointalk 593353;1396206146;mircea_popescu;moiety in mpoe-pr's own words, "incredible how the ciucius of the world manage to sound exactly alike. no matter their nationalities and motha tongues." 593354;1396206238;mircea_popescu;in other news, reddit does feelings : no matter their nationalities and motha tongues 593355;1396206240;mircea_popescu;oops 593356;1396206243;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/confession/comments/15vjvc/i_was_violently_raped_last_summer_i_know_im/ 593357;1396206297;novusordo;BCB: no idea, I never got anything back from the small amount I put into his business that never got off the ground 593358;1396206322;novusordo;haven't heard anything from/about him since that ship sunk 593359;1396206448;mircea_popescu;benkay seems like a happy couple. 593360;1396206538;benkay;rly? i see a few different both boys and girls 593361;1396206589;benkay;just contri-putin 593362;1396206672;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/1764871/ 593363;1396206673;ozbot;dpaste: #1764871 593364;1396206683;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the ever vigilant forum is wiping out the neobee discussion 593365;1396206697;mircea_popescu;what was the link to that copy ? 593366;1396206741;moiety;i hadn't read that page, her comment about all true scotsmen make a lot more sense now mircea_popescu lol can you pass on my apologies 593367;1396206772;benkay;mircea_popescu: why are you subjecting us to forum :( 593368;1396206882;kakobrekla;>A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. 593369;1396206894;kakobrekla;oh yeah, i got a huge pile of those too 593370;1396206898;ThickAsThieves;that's some heavt moderation 593371;1396206901;ThickAsThieves;heavy* 593372;1396206926;ThickAsThieves;i saw, i think it was, extrader saying he knew some way to get a "fudster" moderated 593373;1396206946;ThickAsThieves;looks like he is on th ehunt 593374;1396207022;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-217 593375;1396207025;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 217 | Bitcointa.lk 593376;1396207026;mircea_popescu;better bitcointalk, basically. 593377;1396207218;tg2;Whoa whoa hold the phone 593378;1396207225;tg2;there's drama? On the internet? 593379;1396207403;tg2;http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/009/993/tumblr_m0wb2xz9Yh1r08e3p.jpg 593380;1396207518;benkay;stahp 593381;1396207520;benkay;;;ticker 593382;1396207521;benkay;.bait 593383;1396207521;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 459.46, Best ask: 461.35, Bid-ask spread: 1.89000, Last trade: 461.35, 24 hour volume: 29874.63703293, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 463.247782601 593384;1396207522;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/a61444ffeb14607d25a4f21c7c53f990/tumblr_mpg854pH0k1r62m2no1_1280.jpg 593385;1396207533;benkay;holy smokes 450? 593386;1396207542;mircea_popescu;is that a bvad thing ? 593387;1396207564;benkay;psh yeah doncha know bitcoins only useful when it goes up in value 593388;1396207596;benkay;aw man 593389;1396207616;benkay;in the space of 1 week i have forgotten everything about the conformal btc libs 593390;1396208686;mircea_popescu;hahaha check out bitcointa.lk : mpoe-pr is the only one with an avatar. 593391;1396208751;BCB;mircea_popescu, did you fund bitcointa.lk 593392;1396208774;mircea_popescu;nope. 593393;1396208780;mircea_popescu;the owner linked it here a while bakc 593394;1396209569;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 0.19871000 BTC to 320`500 shares, 62 satoshi per share 593395;1396209751;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06353 = 0.6353 BTC [-] 593396;1396210300;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0464 = 0.1392 BTC [+] 593397;1396210500;steven-__;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEtrIjzsceM&feature=youtu.be&t=17m0s andreas antonopoulos doing his thing 593398;1396210501;ozbot;Is Bitcoin a flash in the pan? - Coinsumm.it - YouTube 593399;1396210542;steven-__;couldn't help checking out a few of the talks even after reading benkays post 593400;1396210544;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 593401;1396210605;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 593402;1396210607;mircea_popescu;what, STILL ? 593403;1396210618;mircea_popescu;2011 called, it wants its rethorical questions back please. 593404;1396210668;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 593405;1396210788;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0556 = 0.1112 BTC [-] {2} 593406;1396210789;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 593407;1396211093;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62503539 BTC [-] 593408;1396211215;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0062174 = 0.286 BTC [-] {3} 593409;1396211520;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62503539 BTC [-] 593410;1396211642;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4697 @ 0.00094301 = 4.4293 BTC [-] 593411;1396211703;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62503539 = 1.8751 BTC [-] {2} 593412;1396212069;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00094037 = 3.5264 BTC [-] 593413;1396212307;benkay;http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Rwanda+years+later/9674013/story.html << surely this has happened before 593414;1396212308;ozbot;Rwanda: 20 years later 593415;1396212384;benkay;obviously a lot of that is NGO pearl clutching for funds. 593416;1396212438;mircea_popescu;^ 593417;1396212440;cazalla;steven-__: that guy makes me cringe 593418;1396212464;benkay;"Survivors groups worry that 20 years after the genocide, international funding will dry up completely" 593419;1396212470;benkay;le sigh 593420;1396212623;the20year2;how many funds were made available for the holomodor? 593421;1396212677;mircea_popescu;actually people did try to donate 593422;1396212691;mircea_popescu;many us jewish people with fresh memories, plenty of others 593423;1396212890;nubbins`;pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.msg5990321#msg5990321 593424;1396212913;pankkake;thanks 593425;1396212930;pankkake;I do know him, which is bothering me 593426;1396212931;pankkake;:( 593427;1396212947;nubbins`;never underestimate the tenacity of butthurt internet people 593428;1396212952;Duffer1;i wrote him a haiku 593429;1396213013;Duffer1;that dotcoin scammer talks like alberto armandi 593430;1396213049;pankkake;he told me in PM ps: i see you speak german its called " Kopffick " thats what happen to you now 593431;1396213058;pankkake;I don't speak german and google doesn't help me 593432;1396213062;benkay;on an entirely different topic, what are good "me@mydomain" emails? 593433;1396213070;benkay;not horrendously unprofessional 593434;1396213079;benkay;not stupidly web2.0 593435;1396213081;pankkake;firstname@lastname ? 593436;1396213084;benkay;eg "me@" 593437;1396213093;pankkake;me@firstnamelastname 593438;1396213097;benkay;dorp 593439;1396213147;pankkake;or something related to what you do? say you're a plumper name joe, me@joeplumber 593440;1396213173;nubbins`;me@benkay.com 593441;1396213196;benkay;holy shit benkay.com is available 593442;1396213201;nubbins`;BETTER HURRY 593443;1396213203;benkay;first time since i got on the internet 593444;1396213208;*;nubbins` registers 593445;1396213214;pankkake;there are bots auto-registering names 593446;1396213233;pankkake;just hope they don't crawl http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ 593447;1396213245;benkay;no i have the domain, that's fine. 593448;1396213275;benkay;i'm just startled to the sushi joint's moved on from the domain in question 593449;1396213296;pankkake;I maintain links to band websites, they're replaced by spam very quickly after expiration 593450;1396213906;artifexd;benkay Do you see a problem with me@whatever.com emails? 593451;1396214091;mircea_popescu;"Interesting, Romain Bignon is a Python dev. Pankkake had some python work done for MP" 593452;1396214094;mircea_popescu;clearly. 593453;1396214172;nubbins`;interestingly, these idiots aren't working for scotland yard 593454;1396214692;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62504019 = 3.1252 BTC [+] {3} 593455;1396214693;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05699884 = 0.114 BTC [+] 593456;1396214918;mircea_popescu;well, derpland yard. just as good. 593457;1396214935;nubbins`;"perhaps we should pursue legal action" 593458;1396214954;nubbins`;yes. perhaps. 593459;1396214966;mircea_popescu;haha, they are behind 7 lawyers. 593460;1396214970;nubbins`;!! 593461;1396214974;mircea_popescu;"Unless you prove otherwise I think it is fair and right that me and dotcoin both see that quite a bit of evidence points to you being Romain Bignon." 593462;1396214977;mircea_popescu;logically. 593463;1396214988;nubbins`;y'know, prove a negative 593464;1396214996;mircea_popescu;unless you bring me a praline i shall eat your cake. 593465;1396215040;mircea_popescu;pankkake anyway, dun freak out. buncha forum derps. 593466;1396215058;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64999977 BTC [+] 593467;1396215059;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.064 = 0.256 BTC [+] 593468;1396215060;pankkake;the real issue is that it's not me they're stalking 593469;1396215071;pankkake;I'm pretty used to threats 593470;1396215083;mircea_popescu;benkay what's wrong with initial-name@corp ? 593471;1396215127;mircea_popescu;pankkake so contact the person, offer to appear as witness, they can prolly get teh gendarmerie involved 593472;1396215130;nubbins`;honestly the oddest thing about this whole "everyone is mp" thing is that there's a much, much simpler explanation, and people just refuse to believe. seriously, as if you having a hundred sock accounts, each with a distinct writing style, is a more plausible explanation than you paying someone to post on the forums 593473;1396215136;pankkake;he's a friend 593474;1396215167;benkay;artifexd: me@whatever doesn't really convey the right image 593475;1396215172;mircea_popescu;nubbins` why would i pay people to pretend they're not speaking for me ? 593476;1396215184;pankkake;and I don't want friends to be bothered 593477;1396215191;benkay;mircea_popescu: i've yet to settle on a thing. canvassing people who've seen things, you see. 593478;1396215192;pankkake;of course he's also used to threats :D 593479;1396215207;artifexd;What image do you want to convey? 593480;1396215213;nubbins`;why would people think pankkake is you? 593481;1396215222;benkay;artifexd: excellent question. 593482;1396215223;nubbins`;why would anybody anything :D it boggles the mind 593483;1396215233;mircea_popescu;im kinda basking in the glory of being... mp. da fuck do i care, teh forum is going to dox the hell out of "mircea popescu is really... this romanian guy... by the name... mircea popescu" 593484;1396215239;nubbins`;^ 593485;1396215240;nubbins`;heh 593486;1396215243;nubbins`;IMPOSSIBRU 593487;1396215253;nubbins`;next you'll tell me satoshi nakam... wait. 593488;1396215274;mircea_popescu;those are the words that must never be spoken nubbins` 593489;1396215292;nubbins`;oh fuck did i let the cat out of the bag? 593490;1396215298;nubbins`;kakobrekla can you edit the logs plz 593491;1396215312;nubbins`;and thus a new conspiracy is born 593492;1396215375;mircea_popescu;in my forum reports, "ragehead scammer derping all over pankakke https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=545220.new#new" 593493;1396215380;mircea_popescu;right next to 593494;1396215393;mircea_popescu;"some noob made an anti-davout hate thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=548245.0" 593495;1396215397;mircea_popescu;what is it with you french people. 593496;1396215427;pankkake;davout has the best haters right now: http://www.actubitcoin.fr/ 593497;1396215434;kakobrekla;>French members are tired. 593498;1396215440;kakobrekla;zomg. endoftheworld.swf 593499;1396215445;kakobrekla;literally. 593500;1396215446;pankkake;you might have trouble reading his French, as he has terrible spelling 593501;1396215448;kakobrekla;with quotes. 593502;1396215485;mircea_popescu;o actu short for actuel or w/e. clever. 593503;1396215491;kakobrekla;i dunno, someone write to him to have a nap. 593504;1396215508;davout;"actu" is "news" 593505;1396215522;mircea_popescu;"David Francois est ne le 29 Mai 1983, g donc de 30 ans" why teh fag glasses davout ?! 593506;1396215533;mircea_popescu;"Il est ne Leiden au Pays-Bas." 593507;1396215538;mircea_popescu;fascinating. 593508;1396215573;davout;n'est-ce pas 593509;1396215581;pankkake;so davout used to be a girl 593510;1396215584;nubbins`;heh 593511;1396215590;nubbins`;more like davPOUT, amirite? 593512;1396215594;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 593513;1396215600;mircea_popescu;davpoutine 593514;1396215612;mircea_popescu;"Je souponne un montage fiscal permettant une fraude massive ." 593515;1396215615;davout;mircea_popescu: thanks, didn't know about the english thread 593516;1396215643;mircea_popescu;well it's good that they soup cony or whatever. 593517;1396215670;nubbins`;when i lived in ottawa, it was not uncommon for clueless anglos to approach a poutine stand and loudly declare JE VOUDRAIS UNE POUTAIN 593518;1396215688;pankkake;hahaha 593519;1396215688;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=545292.msg5956581#msg5956581 << check out pankkake trying to get forum noobs to pay for his nosejob :D 593520;1396215690;ozbot;ActiveMining thread mods are actively trying to scam people 593521;1396215725;nubbins`;quqbecois insert the tiniest hint of an "s" after the "t" in poutine 593522;1396215731;nubbins`;poutseen 593523;1396215735;pankkake;I have been told I have a beautiful nose 593524;1396215748;pankkake;and my nose job was an inside job 593525;1396215753;mircea_popescu;hahaha 593526;1396215758;tg2;Somebody say poutine? 593527;1396215763;pankkake;it's call turbinoplastie 593528;1396215766;pankkake;TURBINES 593529;1396215777;mircea_popescu;rhinoturbinoplasty 593530;1396215801;nubbins`;turbhinoplasty 593531;1396215816;nubbins`;tg2 many times 593532;1396215816;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=530306.0 593533;1396215818;ozbot;VIRCUREX IS RUNNING WITH NEGATIVE NAV: BEWARE EVERYBODY 593534;1396215819;mircea_popescu;lalala 593535;1396215828;pankkake;last thing I did was my teeth getting scrubbed for two hours straight. it's fun 593536;1396215838;mircea_popescu;i guess it's time for some rating 593537;1396215838;pankkake;I go back this week 593538;1396215840;mircea_popescu;;;rated kumala 593539;1396215840;gribble;You have not yet rated user kumala 593540;1396215850;mircea_popescu;;;gpg eauth 593541;1396215850;gribble;(gpg eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes. 593542;1396215854;nubbins`;one evening at a poutine stand in downtown ottawa, guy in front of me waits in line for 2-3 minutes and orders a bucket of water when his turn comes. worker says "a bucket of water? why?" 593543;1396215857;mircea_popescu;;;gpg eauth mircea_popescu 593544;1396215858;gribble;Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452 593545;1396215862;nubbins`;guy responds "your garbage can is on fire" 593546;1396215880;benkay;lol canada 593547;1396215884;nubbins`;right? 593548;1396215888;mircea_popescu;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8668ebe8d03a1f2c32d4fc1acd38cf1a08ea8c443c55528ea0165ba4 593549;1396215889;gribble;You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 593550;1396215891;nubbins`;can't just bust into the front of the line :D 593551;1396215898;benkay;you people. 593552;1396215914;mircea_popescu;;;rate kumala -10 consumate scammer. vircurex, cryptostocks, an entire stack. 593553;1396215915;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user kumala has been recorded. 593554;1396215926;nubbins`;i think it's "consummate" 593555;1396215937;mircea_popescu;;;rate kumala -10 consummate scammer. vircurex, cryptostocks, an entire stack. 593556;1396215938;mircea_popescu;ty. 593557;1396215938;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kumala has changed from -10 to -10. 593558;1396215964;mircea_popescu;;;rate hanbot 5 The forum loves her a lot. 593559;1396215965;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating for user hanbot has changed from 3 to 5. 593560;1396216019;pankkake;nice nickname 593561;1396216080;mircea_popescu;"When people try to launch start-up, like chronocoin in france, or beegcoin, or others, immediately, he try to attack website, he writes aggresive messages and delete topic." 593562;1396216081;mircea_popescu;for shame. 593563;1396216155;davout;many delete. such shame. wow 593564;1396216163;tg2;That English it's for shame 593565;1396216193;pankkake;sad part is, their French isn't any better 593566;1396216200;mircea_popescu;down with this oppression from leiden! people wish to be free and launch assets! 593567;1396216205;nubbins`;"nubbins you may be asked or told to hand over this info by dotcoins lawyer, I would suggest you do that sooner rather than later." 593568;1396216209;nubbins`;my fucking SIDES 593569;1396216214;nubbins`;somebody's paying for side surgery 593570;1396216217;nubbins`;and it ain't me 593571;1396216223;mircea_popescu;i ain't payin for your sides 593572;1396216227;mircea_popescu;they were broken when you got here 593573;1396216237;nubbins`;hmm, is that why they're always aching? 593574;1396216246;mircea_popescu;you're a sideist 593575;1396216268;nubbins`;better that than a frontist :D 593576;1396216272;pankkake;"NotLambchop is a Belize-registered virtual identity law firm wholly owned by TheMiracle, which represents itself and its profits. We (they) are the legal council representing pankkake et al. and others too" :D 593577;1396216279;davout;nubbins`: markus weiler, he is the archetypal village idiot 593578;1396216281;tg2;Daveout du you even sock bro 593579;1396216286;nubbins`;;;google frontist 593580;1396216287;gribble;Frontist Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontist_Party>; AWL school: Economism and frontist delusions - Communist Party of ...: <http://www.cpgb.org.uk/home/weekly-worker/968/awl-school-economism-and-frontist-delusions>; Transverzala SREMSKI FRONT ist.deo.flv - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia9SdQwiPHg> 593581;1396216289;tg2;learn2sock 593582;1396216294;mircea_popescu;that guy's from something awful, amusingly enough. 593583;1396216308;davout;tg2: wut 593584;1396216326;mircea_popescu;davout he's just trying to be part of the cool kids, dun fret. 593585;1396216343;nubbins`;heh 593586;1396216352;nubbins`;i like the hint of empty threat 593587;1396216354;davout;tg2: may i see your haters please? 593588;1396216356;nubbins`;you may be asked... or TOLD 593589;1396216365;mircea_popescu;"Tell you what - I'm at the UKDCA meeting in London on Monday - anyone is welcome to come and accuse me of whatever to my face, when I can likewise see your face and we can communicate like humans." 593590;1396216371;mircea_popescu;someone should go and moon him. 593591;1396216393;tg2;I kindly direct you to benkay 593592;1396216489;mircea_popescu;"If you continue to post in the thread you will be reported to theymos who could take further action. You have already been asked to stop posting." 593593;1396216490;tg2;Don't worry about getting ousted from the French section, the French have historically demonstrated difficulty in that field. 593594;1396216496;mircea_popescu;this is like usagi level of internet threatening 593595;1396216512;nubbins`;STOP OR I WILL TELL TUPPERWARE I MEAN THERMOS 593596;1396216528;benkay;don't forget to burp the thermos 593597;1396216554;mircea_popescu;"My father emotionally, physically and sexually abused me. I moved out at the age of seventeen, hoping to escape all the pain, only to find out that it would follow me. My psyche and boundaries were very damaged and I did not realize that because of my upbringing and appearance I attracted sexual predators. 593598;1396216556;mircea_popescu;After marrying at age twenty-one, I discovered my husband was a porn addict. So great was his sexual perversity and infidelity that I was at a loss to know what to do to save my marriage. Finally, after five years of marriage, I sought counseling from my church pastor." 593599;1396216568;tg2;Crisse que les français sont des bébés lala 593600;1396216581;mircea_popescu;^upcoming ipo. 593601;1396216587;nubbins`;would buy 593602;1396216596;benkay;now iploling feelings 593603;1396216608;tg2;"Mon thread d'innocent s'est fait effacer, qq" 593604;1396216642;mircea_popescu;twist : "I had no idea that this man had a history of being a sexual predator. He had been moved from church to church after each report of sexual abuse but no other action was taken, nor was the new congregation warned. After several counseling sessions he gained my trust." 593605;1396216668;tg2;Rape magnet 593606;1396216680;tg2;There's an app for that 593607;1396217120;benkay;candy crush 'character's on nyse for ipo? 593608;1396217125;benkay;cooooooool. 593609;1396217130;benkay;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/30/business/in-some-ways-its-looking-like-1999-in-the-stock-market.html 593610;1396217152;the20year2;shock, surprise 593611;1396217173;mircea_popescu;yeah. in some ways it's looking like 1929 593612;1396217236;benkay;"soup lines" -> "soup mobs" 593613;1396217253;the20year2;tech may be in a bubble? No way 593614;1396217254;the20year2;those are lies 593615;1396217325;davout;;;eauth davout 593616;1396217326;gribble;Request successful for user davout, hostmask davout!~davout@unaffiliated/davout. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/13288EAB01713428 593617;1396217328;mircea_popescu;and by tech we mean, of course... "hey ma, i made a website" 593618;1396217332;mircea_popescu;slash iphone app 593619;1396217361;benkay;this is tech specific and not endemic to fiat-denominated stocks? 593620;1396217363;nubbins`;slash i need money for my idea 593621;1396217369;*;benkay scrambles for the 25-year s/p chart 593622;1396217383;davout;;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e0bfc984b8a7ad54d1c869b166c2bf660e57f8598a81d67ec713754c 593623;1396217383;gribble;You are now authenticated for user davout with key 13288EAB01713428 593624;1396217391;davout;;;rated ThomasV 593625;1396217392;gribble;You have not yet rated user ThomasV 593626;1396217405;davout;;;rate ThomasV 3 electrum 593627;1396217406;gribble;Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user ThomasV has been recorded. 593628;1396217436;jurov;ThomasV is etotheipi? 593629;1396217471;pankkake;etotheipi is Armory 593630;1396217513;jurov;ohhhh sry 593631;1396217702;nubbins`;i let four pounds of ground pork spoil :( 593632;1396217832;the20year2;you terrible human 593633;1396217837;the20year2;that could have fed a village 593634;1396217855;nubbins`;i actually feel pretty bad about it 593635;1396217863;nubbins`;i dislike wasting food 593636;1396217879;deadweasel;beef abuse 593637;1396217900;deadweasel;as if it could be abused anymore 593638;1396217903;nubbins`;pork abuse 593639;1396217933;deadweasel;oh man, the brain is replacing words again. 593640;1396218021;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you don't have any cold left in canada ? 593641;1396218040;nubbins`;i ground it and then left it in the fridge for like 5 days 593642;1396218041;mircea_popescu;way i hear it works in these northern places, people just fit a box to their windowsill 593643;1396218052;nubbins`;stupid :( 593644;1396218054;mircea_popescu;nubbins` heh even 2 days is wrong. 593645;1396218058;nubbins`;i know D: 593646;1396218072;nubbins`;"i should freeze that" (3 days pass) 593647;1396218108;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12888 @ 0.00094035 = 12.1192 BTC [-] {2} 593648;1396218124;nubbins`;http://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/4438727-medical-marijuana-changes-must-meet-patient-needs/ 593649;1396218126;ozbot;Medical marijuana changes must meet patient needs 593650;1396218156;nubbins`;so patients who possess marijuana from the old program have been given a reprieve, and don't have to throw their old weed in the garbage just yet 593651;1396218194;mircea_popescu;they can threow it in the bong instead. 593652;1396218226;nubbins`;+1 593653;1396218236;nubbins`;or the vaporizer! combustion is for rubes 593654;1396218263;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/medical-marijuana-users-face-rising-price-dilemma-april-1-1.2592017 593655;1396218264;ozbot;Medical marijuana users face rising price dilemma April 1 - British Columbia - CBC News 593656;1396218266;nubbins`;^ better source 593657;1396218289;benkay;that's like pulling just the booze out of a fine wine, nubbins`, 593658;1396218300;nubbins`;nahhh 593659;1396218313;nubbins`;vaporizing releases much more detectible flavor compounds 593660;1396218321;nubbins`;you light it on fire, all you taste is char 593661;1396218329;benkay;same with a steak! 593662;1396218340;benkay;for some value of same. 593663;1396218341;nubbins`;same with coffee! 593664;1396218357;benkay;a little burninating's fine. 593665;1396218435;mircea_popescu;this is pretty interesting : https://twitter.com/relateablefuuu/status/443142501268869120/photo/1 593666;1396218456;mircea_popescu;guy with 600 followers and already following 2001 people somehow gets 800 retweets 593667;1396218461;nubbins`;"Alison Myrden of Burlington, Ont., says it costs just pennies for her designated grower to produce the more than 100 grams of marijuana she needs each day to relieve symptoms of multiple sclerosis and trigeminal neuralgia, a disorder of the nervous system that causes especially intense discomfort." 593668;1396218464;mircea_popescu;yet i've never heard of the post. 593669;1396218477;nubbins`;she ingests ONE HUNDRED GRAMS of marijuana. 593670;1396218480;nubbins`;A DAY. 593671;1396218495;mircea_popescu;could we be at the point where people actually buy fake/spam retweets to try and prop themselves into the conversation ? 593672;1396218503;nubbins`;that's a gram every ten minutes 593673;1396218516;mircea_popescu;nubbins` well if she eats it... 593674;1396218521;nubbins`;even worse 593675;1396218539;nubbins`;eating 100g in a day? you might as well induce a coma 593676;1396218562;nubbins`;seriously, get a daily smoker to eat two grams and they'll spend the next ten hours seriously reconsidering their choice 593677;1396218585;nubbins`;i can only hope she makes a tincture or something 593678;1396218586;mircea_popescu;so she's selling it you're thinking ? 593679;1396218610;peterl;maybe she means she needs a few pennies for 100 milligrams? 593680;1396218625;peterl;units, how do they work? 593681;1396218656;jurov;don't they measure hash in libraries of congress or sth? 593682;1396218669;mircea_popescu;yeah i doubt very much it costs a quarter per pound to make weed. 593683;1396218686;mircea_popescu;peterl prolly has it. 593684;1396218808;nubbins`;no, i don't think she's selling, it'd be too brazen. she wouldn't agree to be interviewed 593685;1396218814;nubbins`;no doubt she boils it up to make tea or some such 593686;1396218841;nubbins`;i just can't comprehend what wasteful method of preparation causes this poor woman to have to go through over a quarter pound every day of her life 593687;1396218888;peterl;maybe she just burns it as incense instead of smoking it? 593688;1396218899;nubbins`;i honestly have no idea 593689;1396218908;nubbins`;maybe her MS really is just that intense 593690;1396218922;nubbins`;i've seen people with MS who seize so bad that they can't even communicate 593691;1396218925;jurov;i think she bathes in it 593692;1396218932;nubbins`;few puffs and they can function normally 593693;1396218935;nubbins`;it's actually fucked 593694;1396218963;mircea_popescu;maybe she feeds it to her cats and then rubs them ? 593695;1396218969;nubbins`;heh. 593696;1396218974;nubbins`;animal abuse! 593697;1396218978;jurov;civet coffee comes to mind 593698;1396218984;jurov;perish the thought 593699;1396219109;nubbins`;civet coffee doesn't even taste particularly good 593700;1396219140;nubbins`;i've seen pictures of freshly-shat civet coffee covered in intestinal worms 593701;1396219171;nubbins`;protip: coffee isn't magic, you're not guaranteed a good cup just because it came from location X or was processed via method Y 593702;1396219215;nubbins`;protip: you can taste the best coffees in the world whenever you want, for $5-15 per pound 593703;1396219219;nubbins`;anyway 593704;1396219220;nubbins`;http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/BC/ID/2445586237/ 593705;1396219221;ozbot;Topless artist smashes ceramic breasts - CBC News Vancouver at 6 - CBC Player 593706;1396219249;Diablo-D3;... is the name of my coldplay cover band 593707;1396219281;mircea_popescu;http://31.media.tumblr.com/a331f08b68884919ccb845a73890b6df/tumblr_mlajx5ODav1s49lc7o1_1280.jpg 593708;1396219548;Mats_cd03;gross 593709;1396219597;Mats_cd03;i dont need bald dudes in the same frame as the boobies 593710;1396219934;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.msg5991722#msg5991722 593711;1396219936;ozbot;Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake' 593712;1396219944;nubbins`;such negative language 593713;1396219951;nubbins`;calling people spastics and retards ;( 593714;1396219976;pankkake;"spastic" c'est bien une insulte de rosbif 593715;1396219981;Duffer1;the level of stupid in that thread is.. i can't even find an adequate adjective.. 593716;1396220015;nubbins`;mmhmm 593717;1396220020;nubbins`;back-to-back freakout posts 593718;1396220029;nubbins`;"here's some more shit i read on the internet, ctrl-v" 593719;1396220041;nubbins`;guy is literally falling apart at the seams 593720;1396220057;nubbins`;"And here is the body that will no doubt be in contact with you soon Pankkake" 593721;1396220067;pankkake;sounds dirty 593722;1396220071;nubbins`;yup 593723;1396220073;Duffer1;you woud be too if you held a large stake in actm 593724;1396220081;nubbins`;plainly obvious at this point that the guy isn't going to be contacting anyone. ever. 593725;1396220097;nubbins`;if he was going to, he'd do it, rather than flapping his gums trying to scare a confession out of you 593726;1396220113;pankkake;well since he is talking about antitrust, yes - doesn't need to be a lawyer to see how offtopic it is 593727;1396220135;pankkake;but yes, typical harassment 593728;1396220144;pankkake;as long as he harasses only me… I'm ok with it 593729;1396220144;Duffer1;antitrust != defamation 593730;1396220168;pankkake;and doesn't even concern people but businesses 593731;1396220182;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62356 = 3.1178 BTC [-] {5} 593732;1396220253;nubbins`;imagine going to any sort of authority with the claim "an anonymous frenchman is saying bad things about a company i've invested in, and he says he will shut up if you pay him 30 euros" 593733;1396220272;nubbins`;DEAR GOD SIR WE WILL ASSEMBLE A TASK FORCE IMMEDIATELY 593734;1396220298;nubbins`;best part: 593735;1396220307;nubbins`;<h1>You are ALL going to pay for your own stupidity and greed soon.</h1> 593736;1396220312;nubbins`;what does that even mean D: 593737;1396220321;Duffer1;that was the only part of pankakke's discourse that i thought was trollish lol 593738;1396220323;mircea_popescu;rosbif = roastbeef ? 593739;1396220342;pankkake;mircea_popescu: yes. a nickname for UK people 593740;1396220346;Duffer1;"Price: 0.005 BTC per post, i.e. 1 BTC gives you 200 posts." 593741;1396220366;pankkake;so much drama for something that netted me 0 BTC 593742;1396220387;mircea_popescu;"And yes European Antitrust Laws protect companies before things happen like that here, it is not only a scandal it shows me how unprofessional and jealous you people works, there is a lot of incompetence in the room now but not on my site." 593743;1396220392;mircea_popescu;not bad. 593744;1396220423;mircea_popescu;"I copy the whole IRC chat of you guys since 26.4.2013 i am sure there are so many interesting things inside." 593745;1396220453;mircea_popescu;imagine, reading the whole log. 593746;1396220470;Duffer1;the first time i've ever heard reading the log could be a bad thing 593747;1396220512;mircea_popescu;well... it's the nature of the clueless to misrepresent. so he things it'd be a bad thing. 593748;1396220525;mircea_popescu;irl, either he reads it and becomes a better person or fails to read ti and well... 593749;1396220529;mircea_popescu;no damage. 593750;1396220533;Duffer1;no change 593751;1396220548;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.62081999 = 6.2082 BTC [-] {4} 593752;1396220554;mircea_popescu;And here is the body that will no doubt be in contact with you soon Pankkake: 593753;1396220554;mircea_popescu;http://www.autoritedelaconcurrence.fr/user/standard.php?id_rub=167&id_article=1078 593754;1396220559;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha jesus god. 593755;1396220651;Duffer1;it's almost hard to watch the ActM victims lash out at those who would rescue them from drowning 593756;1396220673;Duffer1;it's tough facing the knowledge you are the cliche 593757;1396220689;pankkake;and you can't get away from it, I stopped writing in their thread but they're still mad as hell 593758;1396220733;Duffer1;ken slaughter won't end it so they can start to grieve properly, he keeps stringing them along 593759;1396220781;mircea_popescu;this is pretty epic tho, the neobee bag holders and the actm bag holders gathering together in one nuclear blast of sheer rage 593760;1396220796;mircea_popescu;this officially beats the "bitbet followed its faq how dares it!!11" thing 593761;1396220808;pankkake;many people in common… which is kinda strange, they still had coins, and still investemed them?! 593762;1396220884;mircea_popescu;pankkake well considering how much effort they put into "outing" imaginary shills, socks etc, 593763;1396220901;mircea_popescu;and all the nonsense about autorite de la concurrence 593764;1396220914;mircea_popescu;i would imagine they're just butthurt at what they imagine is unfair competition. ie, they were shilling for a bunch of scams, the scams went nowhere. 593765;1396220917;pankkake;and they ignored the stuff I found about ken's past get rich quick businesses :( 593766;1396220930;mircea_popescu;you must have been doing the same thing, they figure, and also for some scams (they figure, cause nothing else exists in the world) 593767;1396220937;mircea_popescu;consequently, you... um... you took their jerbs 593768;1396220962;mircea_popescu;so no, they never invested anything. they had hopes of being paid by the scammors. which they're not getting. 593769;1396220986;Duffer1;i think stuart is a genuine bagholder, i think minerpart is one of the slaughter family, i think that coindesk guy is a scammer 593770;1396221009;mircea_popescu;you may be right. 593771;1396221039;CheckDavid;I don't understand scamming 593772;1396221046;CheckDavid;Such a waste of talent 593773;1396221050;CheckDavid;Or time 593774;1396221067;CheckDavid;In case of talentless scammers 593775;1396221068;mircea_popescu;CheckDavid people that have a problem with authority usually end up toiling on their own. 593776;1396221090;mircea_popescu;there's some discussion of the scammer as a tragic figure in the logs but i'm kinda too lazy to hunt for it. 593777;1396221113;CheckDavid;I see. As in a profile? 593778;1396221125;CheckDavid;You were profiling the a average scammer? 593779;1396221130;mircea_popescu;sort-of 593780;1396221141;mircea_popescu;pankkake what i don't understand of all this is... why do you pm with these dorks ? 593781;1396221152;pankkake;they PM me 593782;1396221169;mircea_popescu;even so. 593783;1396221194;pankkake;I finally stopped caring and they suck me back in :( 593784;1396221196;mircea_popescu;nubbins` why is your forum avatar so angry ? 593785;1396221197;pankkake;fuck that shit! 593786;1396221209;Duffer1;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.msg5992419#msg5992419 593787;1396221210;ozbot;Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake' 593788;1396221212;Duffer1;lmao 593789;1396221219;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.063 = 0.189 BTC [-] {2} 593790;1396221281;mircea_popescu;davout wait wait WAIT! they actually used a pic of gainsbourg as part of doxxing one of you two ?! 593791;1396221303;pankkake;no 593792;1396221331;mircea_popescu;aww pity. 593793;1396221335;mircea_popescu;something like this'd kick ass. 593794;1396221360;pankkake;they didn't even link the openbsd poster with you 593795;1396221371;mircea_popescu;especially if it were someone obscenely famous, dali, warhol... 593796;1396221411;mircea_popescu;we could have a super secret super club, like the mile high club, except more nerdy. "people who have been made famous by misdoxxing" 593797;1396221416;CryptX;!ticker h peta 593798;1396221417;assbot;[HAVELOCK:PETA] 1D: 0.06050000 / 0.06346524 / 0.06994775 (254 shares, 16.12017208 BTC), 7D: 0.05950000 / 0.06851882 / 0.07499085 (2012 shares, 137.85986461 BTC), 30D: 0.05950000 / 0.07277824 / 0.11379998 (7599 shares, 553.04185941 BTC) 593799;1396221520;mircea_popescu;turbo_ac100 by the way, this reminds me, what happened wit the firefox bitbet plugin ? 593800;1396221587;mircea_popescu;21:00:33 pankkake: just hope they don't crawl http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ 593801;1396221587;mircea_popescu;not only crawled man full downloaded by me and given to police next days! 593802;1396221596;benkay;openbsd poster? 593803;1396221601;mircea_popescu;o look. les flics gotta read 98794387593725 mp lines now. 593804;1396221646;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62000001 BTC [-] 593805;1396221661;benkay;pankkake: poster? 593806;1396221743;mwashaka;whats looking better, AM or PETA? 593807;1396221764;pankkake;in a posted pic… maybe it was removed (hopefully) 593808;1396221768;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00644994 = 0.3612 BTC [+] {4} 593809;1396221790;pankkake;mircea_popescu: and the quote is out of context :( it was about domain bots 593810;1396221806;mircea_popescu;pankkake i expected no less. 593811;1396221812;mircea_popescu;mwashaka remind me, what's peta do ? 593812;1396221829;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00646347 = 0.2973 BTC [+] {5} 593813;1396221837;mwashaka;mining op 593814;1396221842;mwashaka;run by CryptX 593815;1396221848;mwashaka;Peta-Mine 593816;1396221876;mircea_popescu;;;rated cryptx 593817;1396221879;Duffer1;is there !bash for bitcointalk? 593818;1396221882;nubbins`;mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/retained-cto-first-public-commission-other-statements/#comment-93626 593819;1396221896;mircea_popescu;now i broke gribble ;/ 593820;1396221900;nubbins`;it's because nobody's ponying up their fuckin taxes 593821;1396221922;mircea_popescu;lawl 593822;1396221936;nubbins`;granted, the game ended up being called eulora, so i guess it's moot anyway 593823;1396222043;nubbins`;man, that stuart guy is really unpleasant 593824;1396222064;mircea_popescu;mwashaka so they say they bought some bitfury chips and sorta-kinda pay out about 50% of whatever "investors" invest 593825;1396222070;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280570.msg3060507#msg3060507 that post controls. 593826;1396222072;ozbot;[BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - 18,000 CHIPS IN SEPTEMBER/UPDATE 593827;1396222082;mircea_popescu;am is dubious at this point, but at least it has an actual history. 593828;1396222119;mwashaka;ahhh that was the old mine 593829;1396222123;mwashaka;it has been redone since 593830;1396222126;mwashaka;hashing at 150TH/s now 593831;1396222134;mwashaka;have orders for a further 600 TH/s 593832;1396222135;mwashaka;it looks good 593833;1396222136;mwashaka;b 593834;1396222143;mircea_popescu;kinda besides the point. a history of not respecting contracts isn't washed away by adding more numbers. 593835;1396222150;mwashaka;but im not really in with AsicMiner, but it seems good what they are doing 593836;1396222164;mwashaka;ahh 593837;1396222176;mwashaka;are you saying CryptX has a history of not delivering? 593838;1396222202;nubbins`;ah, i forgot about those guys 593839;1396222210;mircea_popescu;mwashaka it' 593840;1396222221;mircea_popescu;s just another one instance of the scammy forum asset. 593841;1396222252;nubbins`;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280570.msg3063649#msg3063649 593842;1396222254;ozbot;[BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - 18,000 CHIPS IN SEPTEMBER/UPDATE 593843;1396222255;mircea_popescu;for as long as btc inflows stay net positive it'll be ok im sure. 593844;1396222255;nubbins`;heh 593845;1396222294;mircea_popescu;nubbins` shocking how that 50% thing works innit. 593846;1396222309;nubbins`;like sticking your peepee in a light socket 593847;1396222329;mwashaka;thanks both, this is a great insight 593848;1396222350;mwashaka;think i will lean towards AsicMiner until they are more transparent, as that is my current issue with them 593849;1396222360;nubbins`;!t h peta 593850;1396222361;assbot;[HAVELOCK:PETA] 1D: 0.06050000 / 0.06346524 / 0.06994775 (254 shares, 16.12017208 BTC), 7D: 0.05950000 / 0.06851882 / 0.07499085 (2012 shares, 137.85986461 BTC), 30D: 0.05950000 / 0.07274519 / 0.11379998 (7592 shares, 552.28145936 BTC) 593851;1396222361;mircea_popescu;now, as far as asicminer goes, it's been a great asset so far, however, it's not without its problems 593852;1396222366;mircea_popescu;so do your reading etc. 593853;1396222381;mwashaka;i will do, thank you both, its much appreciated 593854;1396222416;mwashaka;mircea, are you MPOE-PR on BTT? 593855;1396222441;mircea_popescu;no, mpoe-pr is my pr chick 593856;1396222445;mircea_popescu;it says so right in her sig you know ? 593857;1396222468;mwashaka;nope, just somthing hit me, thought for a split second you were the same person 593858;1396222473;mwashaka;shes a bitch, but she knows her shit :) 593859;1396222485;mircea_popescu;kinda the hiring criteria. 593860;1396222491;mwashaka;i like 593861;1396222504;mircea_popescu;anyway. never trust a self-moderated thread. 593862;1396222539;nubbins`;^ 593863;1396222544;nubbins`;never trust a computer 593864;1396222606;nubbins`;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdkl7mkleuE 593865;1396222607;ozbot;MONSTERBATOR ~ Never Trust a Computer - YouTube 593866;1396223054;turbo_ac100;mircea_popescu: forgot about the plugin. 593867;1396223062;turbo_ac100;It should look like this: http://pastebin.com/73urimLq 593868;1396223112;mircea_popescu;o its like a bookmarklet or w/e they're called ? 593869;1396223115;mircea_popescu;pretty cool 593870;1396223118;turbo_ac100;see here http://mycroftproject.com/submitos.html 593871;1396223122;pankkake;OpenSearch? 593872;1396223128;turbo_ac100;yes 593873;1396223147;mircea_popescu;you gonna dump your refling into the results ? 593874;1396223170;turbo_ac100;not yet. good idea though 593875;1396223634;turbo_ac100;kakobrekla: you are developing bibet? If you want to go wild add suggestions to the search. 593876;1396223658;turbo_ac100;reason: "This is currently only supported by a few of the largest websites. An example of a working value is: http://suggestqueries.google.com/complete/search?output=firefox&client=firefox&hl=en&q={searchTerms}" 593877;1396223758;mircea_popescu;o that's interesting 593878;1396223781;mircea_popescu;so it needs a suggestqueries subdomain and what, json output ? or ? 593879;1396223809;turbo_ac100;doesn't say. 593880;1396223900;turbo_ac100;response body is json http://www.opensearch.org/Specifications/OpenSearch/Extensions/Suggestions/1.0 593881;1396224025;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5262 @ 0.00093908 = 4.9414 BTC [-] 593882;1396224033;kakobrekla;http://shreyaschand.com/blog/2013/01/03/google-autocomplete-api/ 593883;1396224033;ozbot;Google Autocomplete "API" | Shreyas Chand 593884;1396224041;kakobrekla;this is not aware of context 593885;1396224147;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00094064 = 20.0356 BTC [+] {2} 593886;1396224505;mircea_popescu;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21qvlj/havelock_investments_halts_neo_bee_fund_trading/cgfrvfz 593887;1396224516;mircea_popescu;funny how nobody has no connections to anything ever. 593888;1396224540;mircea_popescu;all this forum shit starts with a lot of support that on examination consists of wtf. 593889;1396224818;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00094301 = 9.2415 BTC [+] 593890;1396224894;nubbins`;ah, to be a fly on the wall 593891;1396224940;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8698 @ 0.00093905 = 8.1679 BTC [-] 593892;1396225070;jurov;oooh our next generation emerging scamchange owner dotcoin aka markus weiler got into some mudfights? 593893;1396225104;nubbins`;yeah, apparently i've been advised to figure out who the guy's lawyer is and present myself to him 593894;1396225106;jurov;you knew he added securities to bitcoinbourse? 593895;1396225127;jurov;another "next mpex" 593896;1396225325;jurov;it's behind registration, so for sake of record i'll list what he trades there: 593897;1396225341;jurov;Symbol: BBS Bitcoin Bourse System Shares 593898;1396225348;jurov;Investor Info: https://bitcoinbourse.eu/investor 593899;1396225362;jurov;Symbol: TBN The Bitcoin News Shares 593900;1396225368;jurov;Investor Info: http://thebitcoinnews.co.uk/investor-relations/ 593901;1396225381;jurov;Symbol: BCS BitcoinCard® Shares 593902;1396225388;jurov;Investor Info: http://bitcointocard.com/BCS_IPO.pdf 593903;1396225417;jurov;Symbol: ___ Announcement 2 April 2014 593904;1396225423;jurov;Investor Info: http://# 593905;1396225528;jurov;that's all so far. No public trading data advertised or even graphs shown. 593906;1396225611;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00093905 = 17.3724 BTC [-] 593907;1396225769;mircea_popescu;bitcoin news shares ? 593908;1396225775;mircea_popescu;how does bitcoin news generate revenue 593909;1396225794;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25238 @ 0.00094152 = 23.7621 BTC [+] 593910;1396225820;mircea_popescu;;;google site:uspto.gov BitcoinCard 593911;1396225821;gribble;No matches found. 593912;1396225844;mircea_popescu;i guess nobody told 'em is not merely a good looking special glyph 593913;1396225861;pankkake;time to call the AntiTrust Brigade 593914;1396225935;pankkake;how does bitcoin news generate revenue => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkA9L2J2gY 593915;1396225991;mircea_popescu;yeah, i think bitbet made a whole btc out of advertising so far 593916;1396225994;mircea_popescu;over about a year. 593917;1396226049;pankkake;also bitcoiners === likely to have adblock 593918;1396226065;pankkake;or lynx 593919;1396226147;nubbins`;or lawyers on speed dial 593920;1396226150;nubbins`;wait... 593921;1396226157;mircea_popescu;ha ha 593922;1396226161;mircea_popescu;i am behind 7 layers 593923;1396226163;jurov;judging from http://bitcoinsarl.fr/ , the ___ is gonna be cryptotu.be IPO 593924;1396226210;mircea_popescu;wait, the entire drama with pankkake and davout in the forums was simply some french dork's idea of how to launch yet another wannabe-mpex thing ? 593925;1396226221;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00619799 = 0.2045 BTC [-] {5} 593926;1396226223;pankkake;german incorporated in france 593927;1396226227;jurov;mircea yes 593928;1396226231;mircea_popescu;pretty sad. 593929;1396226282;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 132 @ 0.00616322 = 0.8135 BTC [-] {7} 593930;1396226285;jurov;it's actually meta-wannabe thing, he seems very productive 593931;1396226295;kakobrekla;well as it turns out to be i havent managed to figure out who suggested to put up the wiki 593932;1396226311;kakobrekla;but here you go http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/ 593933;1396226319;mircea_popescu;where's that nubbins` quote ? "if their business was doing something pointless they'd be doing it very well" 593934;1396226343;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 193 @ 0.0060783 = 1.1731 BTC [-] {4} 593935;1396226345;*;nubbins` gestures towards log 593936;1396226346;kakobrekla;please pm me to set up an account, must have WOT 593937;1396226350;nubbins`;ctrl-f, magazine 593938;1396226355;mircea_popescu;i cant find an "edit" button 593939;1396226365;mircea_popescu;a, i was gonna vandalize it ;/ 593940;1396226409;nubbins`;not sure what this wiki is for 593941;1396226422;mircea_popescu;me either. 593942;1396226437;kakobrekla;http://piratepad.net/or1RSxpueo 593943;1396226439;ozbot;PiratePad: or1RSxpueo 593944;1396226445;kakobrekla;this goes there 593945;1396226449;kakobrekla;+- 593946;1396226453;mircea_popescu;maybe to give more avenues of haxxorage on b-a.com ? 593947;1396226468;kakobrekla;its all contained 593948;1396226505;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla hehe ok. but what's the idea, give me like an usecase for the wiki 593949;1396226527;kakobrekla;for when the newbies come and ask "can you give me reading material and not the log" 593950;1396226533;nubbins`;ah 593951;1396226552;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5993394#msg5993394 << see, now that's a paid troll on point and good at what he does. rapid, efficient, a wonder to behold. not like the rest of you bums 593952;1396226553;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings 593953;1396226556;mircea_popescu;what am i even paying you for! 593954;1396226571;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla a so it's not a bitbet thing 593955;1396226577;mircea_popescu;for some reason i was thinking that 593956;1396226580;kakobrekla;O_o 593957;1396226596;pankkake;maybe a collective Trilema TL;DR 593958;1396226602;nubbins`;you're paying me?! :0 593959;1396226611;mircea_popescu;yeah. TCTTLDR 593960;1396226634;mircea_popescu;The Collective Trilema Too Long Didn't Romprehend 593961;1396226706;mircea_popescu;course... it'd kinda put the various btcnews sites out of business, so i understand now what this is all about. you're all trying to sabotage bitcoinsarl, jarl and etc. 593962;1396226763;mircea_popescu;anyway, as encouragement, i'll gift either 100k ATC or 0.1 BTC for the best article there. 593963;1396226768;mircea_popescu;winner's choice. 593964;1396226778;jurov;hi dotcoin 593965;1396226806;dotcoin;hi jurov 593966;1396226809;mircea_popescu;jurov you two know each other ? 593967;1396226814;dotcoin;why talking so bad about me 593968;1396226826;jurov;i§m his happy shareholder 593969;1396226830;dotcoin;yes we know i think 593970;1396226831;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72250 @ 0.00094469 = 68.2539 BTC [+] {5} 593971;1396226847;jurov;since before bitcoinbourse launch 593972;1396226853;dotcoin;yes happy shareholders not accuse the company of scam 593973;1396226865;mircea_popescu;;;gettrust dotcoin 593974;1396226866;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user dotcoin: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=dotcoin | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dotcoin | Rated since: never 593975;1396226883;mircea_popescu;you seem to be having a bit of a problem there dotcoin. 593976;1396226912;dotcoin;do you think so 593977;1396226925;dotcoin;i think there are some other guys have much more problems than me 593978;1396226988;dotcoin;so tell me guys where is the problem 593979;1396226990;nubbins`;hey 593980;1396226990;nubbins`;dotcoin! my friend! 593981;1396226990;nubbins`;your lawyer got in touch with me 593982;1396226990;nubbins`;i gave him all the info i had about pankkake 593983;1396227009;mircea_popescu;dotcoin inasmuch as you're trying to start some sort of exchange with no experience and no web of trust presence... 593984;1396227011;dotcoin;i am not your friend nubbins nor i want your friend 593985;1396227050;dotcoin;you think i have no experience? as you all guys runs many exchanges here i see 593986;1396227065;dotcoin;or any other usefull stuff 593987;1396227086;mircea_popescu;yes, we run teh bitcoin. 593988;1396227094;dotcoin;you run the bitcoin 593989;1396227100;mircea_popescu;how useful it is however... it's kinda debatable. 593990;1396227117;dotcoin;for one is more and for the other less 593991;1396227117;nubbins`;dotcoin we are not friends? 593992;1396227139;dotcoin;but classifieds this me or my company as a scammer 593993;1396227142;nubbins`;your lawyer was nice. you are not as nice as your lawyer. 593994;1396227153;mircea_popescu;he has a lawyer ?! 593995;1396227177;dotcoin;nubbins stop talk to me please you are simple little trol not talking with you 593996;1396227194;nubbins`;mircea_popescu, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.msg5990995#msg5990995 593997;1396227195;mircea_popescu;dotcoin ok but you have a lawyer / 593998;1396227202;nubbins`;says there he has a lawyer 593999;1396227215;dotcoin;i have a lawyer you too 594000;1396227221;mircea_popescu;what's his name ? 594001;1396227242;dotcoin;you can read when you in problems with me on the letter he will send you 594002;1396227249;Duffer1;hi dotcoin 594003;1396227257;nubbins`;how in the world is your lawyer going to send a letter to me :( 594004;1396227267;dotcoin;but what is now the problems here is there any serious discussion 594005;1396227271;dotcoin;or what is here on 594006;1396227294;dotcoin;why you troll companies in forums 594007;1396227297;nubbins`;dotcoin, what is your native language? (just curious) 594008;1396227299;jurov;dotcoin, you refused to say anything about what was doen with bitcoins from bourse IPO 594009;1396227299;mircea_popescu;... so do you have a lawyer or don't you. 594010;1396227301;dotcoin;pankkake 594011;1396227315;bounce;"pankkake" is a language now? 594012;1396227316;jurov;that's even less than several known scammers 594013;1396227327;jurov;so for me, your case is clear 594014;1396227332;nubbins`;pankkake is the language of love 594015;1396227335;nubbins`;aka body language 594016;1396227337;dotcoin;so what is the case jurov 594017;1396227360;kakobrekla;the bourse thingy was german iirc 594018;1396227381;dotcoin;the case is you are friend of martin and he is not happy to get out of bourse right? 594019;1396227385;dotcoin;what he told you this man 594020;1396227399;jurov;martin is irrelevant here 594021;1396227406;jurov;you raised hunders of BTC 594022;1396227418;jurov;and they are not heard of since 594023;1396227428;dotcoin;hundrets 594024;1396227432;jurov;*hundreds 594025;1396227432;mircea_popescu;nubbins` linguistix specialist says probably dutch or german. 594026;1396227439;nubbins`;ah 594027;1396227440;dotcoin;you even know how much we raised 594028;1396227460;nubbins`;don't panic, i'm only germanic 594029;1396227461;kanzure;i think i killed gribble :( 594030;1396227466;BingoBoingo;dotcoin: Why do you have a lawyer? 594031;1396227481;nubbins`;i don't think he has a lawyer 594032;1396227484;dotcoin;and if so what is the problem about a IPO is to raise money or not 594033;1396227515;jurov;wont gonna look it up, i know i am not getting answer anyway 594034;1396227518;dotcoin;so jurov tell me please what is your problem now 594035;1396227527;jurov;you are eliza 594036;1396227528;jurov;? 594037;1396227535;jurov;tell me about your parents? 594038;1396227537;dotcoin;eliza? 594039;1396227539;jurov;etc? 594040;1396227546;dotcoin;are you drunk 594041;1396227556;mircea_popescu;kanzure what did you do ? 594042;1396227560;jurov;i explained my problem clearly 594043;1396227579;jurov;last time: 1. you raised bitcoins 594044;1396227585;dotcoin;not real you tell me i rais hundrets of bitcoins and ? 594045;1396227598;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lawyers are like girlfriends, except better. everyone should have a few. 594046;1396227611;jurov;2. built crappy website but never disclosed how many of them were used in the process 594047;1396227617;mircea_popescu;https://github.com/dotcoin?tab=activity < da hell is this thing anyway ? 594048;1396227619;jurov;3. want moar 594049;1396227620;dotcoin;and you want to know where they are gone? 594050;1396227624;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1995 @ 0.00094702 = 1.8893 BTC [+] 594051;1396227631;Juelcf;the new bourse website looks good and works good 594052;1396227637;dotcoin;what do you think where they are gone? 594053;1396227651;mircea_popescu;dotcoin how about this : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361852.0 594054;1396227658;Duffer1;MP i'm thinking french 594055;1396227660;dotcoin;do you think you create site like we have and without paying anything 594056;1396227661;mircea_popescu;apparently you issued stock, then did a forced buyback at a loss. 594057;1396227662;kakobrekla;spent them for dotcoin mansion 594058;1396227669;dotcoin;do you het it for free anywhere in the world? 594059;1396227670;jurov;i have to guess? blow and hookers? 594060;1396227684;Juelcf;You guys talk so much shit its amazing 594061;1396227684;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 594062;1396227685;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2304 @ 0.00012063 = 0.2779 BTC [-] {8} 594063;1396227694;nubbins`;dotcoin: WOW, you did a forced buyback at a loss? 594064;1396227696;dotcoin;whaamazing company yes 594065;1396227696;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 594066;1396227701;dotcoin;show me a better one 594067;1396227721;nubbins`;Juelcf: hi 594068;1396227726;mircea_popescu;dotcoin you have this strange comparison to the mean mentality. 594069;1396227745;mircea_popescu;doesn't really matter what you perceive the average to be. the idea is to stand out at the top not to muddle around the middle. 594070;1396227871;dotcoin;a so jurov i want to tell you what ever your friend martin lies to you is not the truth, and to accuse me for scam in this case in forums is not the best way to hear the other site of this story between martin and me, you are shareholder you try now to accuse me of scam so what i have think about that? do you think is a productive way for your shares? more than i not scam any 594071;1396227898;nubbins`_;who's martin? 594072;1396227898;jurov;i want numbers, not story 594073;1396227902;dotcoin;i am a real person i not hide behind aliases and be in a forum a super hero member 594074;1396227909;mircea_popescu;so what is your name ? 594075;1396227927;nubbins`_;i think his real name is Dot Coin 594076;1396227939;dotcoin;all of you guys can meet me if you wan and we can discuss 594077;1396227945;mircea_popescu;isn't that patented by some fatass in new zealand ? 594078;1396227953;mircea_popescu;dotcoin yes, we can. so what's your name ? 594079;1396227963;nubbins`_;not exactly but you can still be prosecuted under the Analogue Act 594080;1396227966;jurov;nubbins`_: martin is our mutual acquaintance that was supposed to be cofounder of bitcoin bourse and helped me to decide to invest there 594081;1396227967;BingoBoingo;;;ident dotcoin 594082;1396227982;jurov;later martin quit 594083;1396227987;nubbins`_;ah 594084;1396227993;dotcoin;cofounder of bitcoin bourse hahaha 594085;1396227995;nubbins`_;sort of like thickasthieves and neobee? 594086;1396227998;gribble;Nick 'dotcoin', with hostmask 'dotcoin!5d10ab35@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.16.171.53', is not identified. 594087;1396227998;*;nubbins`_ cackles loudly 594088;1396228001;dotcoin;martin quit hahaha 594089;1396228002;mircea_popescu;jurov would this be foresnick or some other guy ? 594090;1396228008;jurov;yes forensick 594091;1396228010;dotcoin;sorry man you are full wrong informed 594092;1396228013;Duffer1;Markus Weiler? 594093;1396228020;dotcoin;yes is the forensick guy 594094;1396228025;dotcoin;yes Markus Weiler 594095;1396228030;mike_c_s;this cost money? https://bitcoinbourse.eu/ 594096;1396228031;dotcoin;and you Duffer 1? 594097;1396228034;jurov;and who are you then? 594098;1396228038;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 well we don't know. guy has a lawyer he can't name and doesn't hide behind nicks but can't introduce himself. 594099;1396228043;mircea_popescu;a bit of a conundrum so far. 594100;1396228054;jurov;forensick is martin belobrat and YOU are markus weiler 594101;1396228055;nubbins`_;mike_c that website looks like it cost about $5 to make 594102;1396228055;mircea_popescu;mike_c not everyone has python developers at their beak and call. 594103;1396228063;mike_c;apparently 594104;1396228075;nubbins`_;ah 594105;1396228078;nubbins`_;Markus Weiler! 594106;1396228080;dotcoin;yes ok now all people can call me Markus Weiler if you are more happy with that 594107;1396228090;dotcoin;Mr for some of you huys 594108;1396228098;nubbins`_;heh 594109;1396228100;dotcoin;specialy for the trolls without name 594110;1396228100;kakobrekla;;;google Markus Weiler 594111;1396228103;mircea_popescu;ok, so you're markus weiler and you try to run bitcoinbourse. 594112;1396228104;peterl;"i am a real person i not hide behind aliases and be in a forum a super hero member" says a guy named "dotcoin"? 594113;1396228108;kakobrekla;no gribble :\ 594114;1396228108;gribble;Prof. Dr. Markus Weiler — Professur für Hydrologie: <https://www.hydro.uni-freiburg.de/staff/weiler>; Markus Weiler - Google Scholar Citations: <http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=A-2xovMAAAAJ&hl=en>; mweiler (Markus Weiler) on deviantART: <http://mweiler.deviantart.com/> 594115;1396228109;jurov;^ typical communication style. no help there 594116;1396228114;jurov;goodnight 594117;1396228115;kakobrekla;a there you are 594118;1396228133;kakobrekla;dr? 594119;1396228135;kakobrekla;nah 594120;1396228136;dotcoin;so what now jurov 594121;1396228140;kakobrekla;must be wrong guy 594122;1396228142;nubbins`_;^ 594123;1396228147;Duffer1;dotcoin I was just reading https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361852.msg4729286#msg4729286 wasn't sure if that was your name or not. Call me Matt :) 594124;1396228157;nubbins`_;Call me on my birthday 594125;1396228173;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00094769 = 4.7858 BTC [+] 594126;1396228174;mircea_popescu;dotcoin so now we get to the part where you issued a stock on cryptostocks and then did a forced buyback for a lower price. 594127;1396228197;nubbins`_;oh my god, Markus Weiler did a forced buyback of stock? 594128;1396228202;dotcoin;make a force back i think was for 1 share so can be yes 594129;1396228229;nubbins`_;at a lower price?! 594130;1396228242;mircea_popescu;dotcoin it's in the link above. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2014#594053 594131;1396228270;Duffer1;who was running the pass through? 594132;1396228283;mircea_popescu;please let it be usagi ? 594133;1396228286;dotcoin;if this one user have a loss will pay him if contact me, ask now why make a force back buy, tell you martin the friend of jurov told me we must sell shares there, as we not have need, this i stop trading on cryptostocks that was simple and not any to to i rip of a guy of 0.0005 btc 594134;1396228310;mircea_popescu;can you write that out again but in your native language ? 594135;1396228319;nubbins`_;en francais svp! 594136;1396228341;mircea_popescu;it made no sense in english ; i can probably read it in whatever it is you speak. 594137;1396228355;dotcoin;i am not francais man i am german and i am sure nobody of you guys speak german 594138;1396228357;nubbins`_;in deutsche bitte! 594139;1396228366;dotcoin;Fuer dich gerne in deutsch 594140;1396228389;dotcoin;stell deine frage in deutsch 594141;1396228393;mircea_popescu;ja, Deutsch wird hier gesprochen 594142;1396228399;bounce;eutelsat netblock. talk about being out in the boonies. 594143;1396228402;dotcoin;ja na dann mal los 594144;1396228402;nubbins`_;danke, ihr englisch ist schwer zu verstehen ;( 594145;1396228418;dotcoin;genau wie ihr deutsch 594146;1396228435;benkay;http://i.imgur.com/nAgQ7.jpg 594147;1396228446;jurov;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=347347.0 here you said you are markus weiler 594148;1396228448;ozbot;Bitcoin SARL Infoletter 26/11/13 594149;1396228450;mircea_popescu;benkay fuck, she beats my redheads 594150;1396228467;dotcoin;yes jurov still i am 594151;1396228492;nubbins`_;sea salt & black pepper on popcorn? sigh 594152;1396228505;Duffer1;i'd eat that 594153;1396228524;mircea_popescu;nubbins`_ and lymph 594154;1396228535;Duffer1;Ich würde das essen 594155;1396228540;benkay;i'll let you know when i find the moose sausage popcorn, nubbins` 594156;1396228649;benkay;let's keep this one in reserve for when the SEC gets you, mircea_popescu http://destroyed-and-abandoned.tumblr.com/image/81101546098 594157;1396228688;mircea_popescu;so dramatique 594158;1396228691;Duffer1;has there been any followup to that? 594159;1396228703;dotcoin;ok jurov i guess if you have any questions about anything, you have my email and i am sure you aware of daily newsletters 594160;1396228713;kakobrekla;lel 594161;1396228746;kakobrekla;you didnt give any answers dotcoin 594162;1396228771;kakobrekla;now im curioal. 594163;1396228782;dotcoin;i give not answers about what kakobrekla 594164;1396228783;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 112 @ 0.00602001 = 0.6742 BTC [-] {2} 594165;1396228791;Juelcf;i would like to know also what the fuck is going on here 594166;1396228804;dotcoin;i answer and some people want talk with me german so what now 594167;1396228817;kakobrekla;you were asked to type what you typed in german 594168;1396228825;kakobrekla;so do it 594169;1396228845;Duffer1;hi Juelcf 594170;1396228849;dotcoin;google translate i not want wast more time 594171;1396228850;Juelcf;Hi 594172;1396228887;kakobrekla;like talking to a can of worms. 594173;1396228903;dotcoin;serious people here can join our newsletter than they will informed http://thebictoinnews.co.uk and people with problems or questions can contact me by email contact@bitcoinsarl.fr 594174;1396228905;Duffer1;are you not entertained 594175;1396228925;Duffer1;.fr? 594176;1396228937;Duffer1;nm 594177;1396229062;dotcoin;n8 594178;1396229067;kakobrekla;anyway i tried google trasnlate eng -> eng and it doesnt fix your garbage 594179;1396229082;kakobrekla;also brb 594180;1396229210;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00094708 = 6.2034 BTC [-] 594181;1396229259;nubbins`_;mircea_popescu: sea salt, black pepper, and lymph on popcorn?! 594182;1396229268;Juelcf;whats the deal with dotcoin? why was everyone trolling? 594183;1396229289;mircea_popescu;Juelcf who exactly was trolling ? and who exactly are you ? 594184;1396229297;benkay;not really trolling. dotcoin's being evasive and the channel kinda got pissed. 594185;1396229320;Duffer1;the engrish doesn't help either 594186;1396229327;Juelcf;mircea_popescu, just asking 594187;1396229333;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24562 @ 0.00094807 = 23.2865 BTC [+] {2} 594188;1396229337;Duffer1;no offense 594189;1396229369;nubbins`_;obv a machine translation job 594190;1396229419;Duffer1;juelcf it started with pankkake calling foul on a couple of dubious offerings by dotcoin 594191;1396229437;Duffer1;then came to a head today as dotcoin threatened to sue pankkake 594192;1396229454;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.05683845 = 0.7389 BTC [-] {4} 594193;1396229481;bounce;well, maybe we need a virtual courts of teh intarwebz, where you can sue WoT usernames and such. 594194;1396229501;bounce;s/ a // 594195;1396229515;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05699999 = 0.228 BTC [+] {3} 594196;1396229516;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0459 = 0.3672 BTC [-] 594197;1396229586;peterl;didnt they have a Rota for that sort of thing? 594198;1396229591;nubbins`_;heh 594199;1396229600;BingoBoingo;I suppose a good rule of thumb for any court would be that parties wanting redress from Pankkake are prolly in the wrong 594200;1396229601;nubbins`_;peterl it got too real too quick 594201;1396229621;peterl;what is the use of such a thing if it is not real? 594202;1396229632;nubbins`_;no use 594203;1396229748;nubbins`_;fun fact, ROTA was an acronym for Rand of the Ayn 594204;1396229800;bounce;no idea what that is and it already smells like WTMI 594205;1396229813;nubbins`_;;;ud wtmi 594206;1396229814;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wtmi | wtmi. Way to much information. Often used by women(and somethimes men) to pronounce that something is indeed gross or sickening and they dont want to ... 594207;1396229815;ozbot;Urban Dictionary: wtmi 594208;1396229829;BingoBoingo;I thought ROTA was an acronym for Round, Oiled, Tense, Asses 594209;1396229840;nubbins`_;heh. 594210;1396229846;nubbins`_;too many commas, otherwise ok 594211;1396229940;cazalla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg5993297#msg5993297 594212;1396229974;nubbins`;1-855-one-bitcoin 594213;1396229990;nubbins`;or, if you're in a rush, 1-855-one-bitc 594214;1396229996;nubbins`;lelelel 594215;1396230003;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21844 @ 0.00094708 = 20.688 BTC [-] 594216;1396230139;cazalla;"Lol, wrapped some cardboard boxes in inkjet-printed labels, and took a pic of one HF board? Awesome." top kek 594217;1396230179;nubbins`;"let's use a cell phone camera for the photos for our big announcement" 594218;1396230216;mircea_popescu;it's a slow drama day, so let's lol at people. http://trilema.com/2014/a-sad-story-illustrated/ 594219;1396230242;nubbins`;fuck-the-cops.biz! 594220;1396230283;mircea_popescu;bounce we had something like that, as peterl points out. it failed miserably. http://trilema.com/rota-post-mortem 594221;1396230304;mircea_popescu;and it wasn't no acronim 594222;1396230318;asciilifeform;in other news, my site (should anyone give a damn) is back. 594223;1396230328;mircea_popescu;;;google tribunal apostolicum rotae romanae 594224;1396230329;gribble;Roman Rota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Rota>; Rota Background - CanonLaw.info: <http://www.canonlaw.info/personal_rotademo.htm>; Addresses of courts - Arcibiskupství pražské: <http://www.apha.cz/en/addresses-of-courts-text> 594225;1396230394;mircea_popescu;nubbins` ghetto huh. 594226;1396230430;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4702 @ 0.00094823 = 4.4586 BTC [+] 594227;1396230433;nubbins`;who knows, maybe they couldn't afford a $99 samsung point-and-shoot because they spent every last dime on legitimate businessy things 594228;1396230460;peterl;Some cell phones these days have very nice cameras 594229;1396230477;mircea_popescu;http/hashfast.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Yoli-Evo-board_FINAL-white-WEB-e1392926017925.png 594230;1396230483;mircea_popescu;this shit looks quite aesthetically pleasing 594231;1396230535;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cut&paste in cad proggy will do that. symmetric. 594232;1396230562;mircea_popescu;also the central thing. 594233;1396230583;asciilifeform;that multi-die beast looks like a thermal nightmare though 594234;1396230588;mircea_popescu;it does yeah 594235;1396230593;asciilifeform;why cram them in one? 594236;1396230600;mircea_popescu;imo it's horrid design, you'd have wanted the 4 separated towards corners or something 594237;1396230602;asciilifeform;is the author here? 594238;1396230611;mircea_popescu;but forget the sanity. it pleaseth my eye 594239;1396230623;asciilifeform;ok i think i get it! 594240;1396230629;asciilifeform;look at the 'octopus' 594241;1396230636;asciilifeform;it's designed to fit an intel heat sink. 594242;1396230643;asciilifeform;hence the quad die. 594243;1396230648;mircea_popescu;like a girl on 7 inchers. you know she's in pain and likely can't run... but damn that ass. 594244;1396230654;asciilifeform;it wants to have the same mechanicals as a 'xeon' 594245;1396230658;mircea_popescu;oh 594246;1396230675;mircea_popescu;who knows, that may work cheaper 594247;1396230685;asciilifeform;cheaper than having your own heat sinks cast, yes 594248;1396230691;asciilifeform;esp. if you like hydraulic strange 594249;1396230720;asciilifeform;the 6-pin molexes are probably intel's 'p4' too. 594250;1396230882;kakobrekla;these are apparently water cooled as well 594251;1396230918;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11930 @ 0.00094906 = 11.3223 BTC [+] {2} 594252;1396231077;pankkake;I can take better pics of my Data Center: https://unsee.cc/beziru/ 594253;1396231157;asciilifeform;whatever happened to those folks who sold a $3k (usd) pc chassis-cum-heatsink of solid copper, weighing as much as a man ? 594254;1396231160;asciilifeform;'zalman' i think it was. 594255;1396231214;pankkake;I'm not sure they actually sold it 594256;1396231245;nubbins`;seems to me like if you remove the per-case judge payment and stick to the yearly sum, the rota would involve a whole lot less QQing 594257;1396231284;asciilifeform;shame. i have this ancient crackpot dream of being rid of pc fans. 594258;1396231323;mircea_popescu;nubbins` wouldn't have had any impact in the matter that sunk it 594259;1396231325;pankkake;there are some passive heatsinks though 594260;1396231352;pankkake;huge aluminum stuff - but they tell you to have case fans though 594261;1396231352;asciilifeform;pankkake: show a 100% passive cooled machine that isn't a toy 594262;1396231355;nubbins`;mircea_popescu well pretty hard to buy off judges if the judges don't get paid any extra for taking the case 594263;1396231363;pankkake;I guess you can do it if you underclock 594264;1396231376;mircea_popescu;nubbins` ... 594265;1396231412;nubbins`;unless i'm missing something 594266;1396231426;pankkake;I solved the fan issue by putting the machines in another room than the one I'm in 594267;1396231449;asciilifeform;pankkake: i'm about to rent a whole building instead of flat, partly so i can do just this 594268;1396231455;mircea_popescu;well you are. inasmuch the defendant passively receives X btc and is then required to return X+e, the entire thing is an extraction engine 594269;1396231456;pankkake;though the real annoyance always was the noise of hard drives 594270;1396231461;asciilifeform;but fans still suck in dirt, fail without warning, etc 594271;1396231481;pankkake;yeah, my GPU fan died, and those aren't easy to replace :( 594272;1396231493;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the correct solution to the fan problem is to use fanned tubes 594273;1396231498;nubbins`;what's "e", effort? 594274;1396231499;pankkake;back to the slower passive gpu, which at least still works 594275;1396231501;mircea_popescu;all fans in a tube can't fail at the same time 594276;1396231503;mircea_popescu;nubbins` epsilon 594277;1396231528;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: apple is selling, i think, a machine of just this shape. but, as you can probably guess, i'd rather not buy it. 594278;1396231530;pankkake;my case has filters, the case wasn't that dusty after months of operation 594279;1396231589;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: in the post mortem example, all i see is: mpex receives 100btc, mpex returns 100btc, mpex pays judges 3btc each 594280;1396231596;asciilifeform;http://bensbargains.net/thecheckout/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/mac-pro-cigar.jpg 594281;1396231602;mircea_popescu;i wonder why there doesn't exist some sort of magnetic heat extractor device! 594282;1396231626;mircea_popescu;nubbins` so what you mean is, make the cases costless ? 594283;1396231642;mircea_popescu;what prevents someone from suing everyone in sight if there's no cost to it ? 594284;1396231642;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: magneto-hydrodynamic coolant pump ? one sees them in patents often, but for some reason never in pc. 594285;1396231650;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i know. 594286;1396231658;mircea_popescu;yet pc would seem one of the best applications 594287;1396231679;nubbins`;no cost to it? if you lose, it's a 10btc cost 594288;1396231695;mircea_popescu;... 594289;1396231697;dexX7;rota 2? 594290;1396231711;mircea_popescu;you gotta make up your mind nubbins` 594291;1396231712;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ordinary 'heat pipe' works great, so long as you have a massive sink on the other side. heat pipe can be thought of as a refrigerator without a compressor. 594292;1396231748;nubbins`;i left out fees for brevity in my example 594293;1396231753;nubbins`;consider it suitably modified. 594294;1396231781;mircea_popescu;so then mpex has to pay the fees if it loses ? 594295;1396231786;mircea_popescu;and it can lose without doing anything ? 594296;1396231840;nubbins`;it couldn't lose if it declined to participate 594297;1396231853;nubbins`;how else would you deal with a case you deemed frivolous? 594298;1396231867;nubbins`;throw 10btc at it and hope ya get it back?! 594299;1396231890;Duffer1;what's the incentive to defend yourself ever? 594300;1396231897;nubbins`;THERE ISN'T ONE 594301;1396231938;mircea_popescu;then problem solved ? 594302;1396231945;Duffer1;hehe 594303;1396231974;nubbins`;well, if you look at it that way, the rota was a solution in search of a problem 594304;1396231982;mircea_popescu;it may be said. 594305;1396232003;nubbins`;suppose i call chetty a poopyhead and it turns out this damaged her reputation so badly that she lost a 100btc contract. she decides to sue me via rota, i decline. 594306;1396232007;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you, i'm not mafalda. i figure things out as i go 594307;1396232008;nubbins`;now what? nothing 594308;1396232023;mircea_popescu;nubbins` now you're a poopyhead 594309;1396232039;nubbins`;joke's on you, that doesn't damage my reputation 594310;1396232053;mircea_popescu;well not like it has to. 594311;1396232057;mircea_popescu;whats this, taloncoin ? 594312;1396232066;nubbins`;i can't keep up with them, you tell me :D 594313;1396232077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8916 @ 0.0009492 = 8.4631 BTC [+] 594314;1396232087;nubbins`;anyway. 594315;1396232093;mircea_popescu;im very surprised nobody made bitround yet 594316;1396232099;nubbins`;maybe the defendant doesn't have to pay a fee because we're not paying the judges per-case anymore 594317;1396232112;mircea_popescu;everyone with their head in a box, X-coin Y-coin blergh 594318;1396232126;nubbins`;bitbar 594319;1396232129;mircea_popescu;not paying the judges per case has a host of problems 594320;1396232138;nubbins`;toss a couple at me 594321;1396232141;mircea_popescu;such as judges no longer actually wish to judge. it becomes morel ike jury duty 594322;1396232148;nubbins`;workload would be the obvious one 594323;1396232165;nubbins`;but hey, USA has a thousand magistrate judges for a reason 594324;1396232188;nubbins`;say a judge has to take 30 cases a year or w/e for his 30btc 594325;1396232227;nubbins`;he knows the workload involved when he signs up. once all judges are booked up, you have a backlog. 594326;1396232288;joecool;i had a case some years back that was delayed nearly 2 years because the judge assigned was waiting for his retirement request to finalize 594327;1396232317;nubbins`;exactly so 594328;1396232341;MisterE;mornin 594329;1396232345;nubbins`;anyway, you're arguing that salary doesn't work because pay-by-the-hour makes it seem like less of a chore 594330;1396232614;mircea_popescu;nubbins` and how do you pay the 30 btc ? 594331;1396232668;mircea_popescu;and im merely arguing that since every top job out there pays a salary + bonuses, that model is unavoidable. 594332;1396232683;nubbins`;well, how were you planning to pay the 30btc? 594333;1396232688;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16802 @ 0.0009498 = 15.9585 BTC [+] {2} 594334;1396232698;nubbins`;unavoidable pff, bitcoin is here to replace &c &c. 594335;1396232706;nubbins`;receiving btc IS a bonus. 594336;1396232747;mircea_popescu;iffy. 594337;1396232748;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3380 @ 0.00095028 = 3.2119 BTC [+] 594338;1396232775;nubbins`;anyway, unless that 30btc was supposed to come from the leftover 1btc of the losing party's money (30 cases per judge per year!), i can only imagine that you were privately funding the judges' salaries 594339;1396232777;mircea_popescu;and if you recall, the 10 btc - 3x3 = 1 leftover. 594340;1396232783;mircea_popescu;30 cases a year pay for the 30. 594341;1396232802;mircea_popescu;i was privately underwriting the risk that judges may not get 30 cases/year 594342;1396232818;mircea_popescu;that fat tail ended up costing a pretty penny, but hey. 594343;1396232891;nubbins`;so the plaintiff's 10btc fee is refundable to 9btc if he wins. 594344;1396232908;nubbins`;all the more reason to avoid frivolous claims, no? 594345;1396232936;nubbins`;if you buy a can of coke here, you pay eight cents recycling deposit. you bring the empty can back, you get five cents. 594346;1396233115;nubbins`;i can almost hear the gears turning from here... although it could just be the cat snoring ;( 594347;1396233249;mircea_popescu;nubbins` no dood. 2parties contribute 10 btc each. the winner gets his 10 btc back 594348;1396233260;mircea_popescu;the loser's goes to judges and 1 btc left over. 594349;1396233266;nubbins`;yeah, that didn't work tho 594350;1396233297;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5737 @ 0.00094708 = 5.4334 BTC [-] 594351;1396233343;mircea_popescu;sure. but the problem was hardly the incentive structure. 594352;1396233348;nubbins`;so you remove the defendant's fee, which solves the problem you identified where mpex gets bled dry, and you make 1btc of the plaintiff's fee non-refundable, which solves the payroll problem 594353;1396233431;mircea_popescu;dude wtf. 594354;1396233439;mircea_popescu;plaintif wins. gets 10 btc back. who pays the judges ? 594355;1396233446;nubbins`;no. 594356;1396233451;nubbins`;plaintiff wins, gets 9btc back. 594357;1396233454;mircea_popescu;lol. plaintiff never wins ? 594358;1396233465;bocobit;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx1mryKqvT8 594359;1396233475;nubbins`;you want the rota to solve your problems for you, it costs you 1btc. 594360;1396233516;mircea_popescu;and who pays the judges ? 594361;1396233524;mircea_popescu;do they make 3 btc if defendant wins, and 0 if plaintiff wins ? 594362;1396233537;nubbins`;they don't make shit until their contract is up 594363;1396233557;mircea_popescu;that'll never work. 594364;1396233567;nubbins`;sure it will. 594365;1396233578;nubbins`;if defendant wins, he gets the 9btc. 594366;1396233598;nubbins`;the 1btc -- and nothing more -- always goes to the judge fund 594367;1396233600;MisterE;who picks judges and where they come from? 594368;1396233620;mircea_popescu;MisterE was a self-nomination thing, originally. see the article 594369;1396233636;MisterE;sorry I came in late in the chat 594370;1396233638;nubbins`;if some asshole sends 100btc to mpex for no reason and wants to rota it, he pays 10btc, you pay 0btc. 594371;1396233643;nubbins`;1btc immediately goes to judges fund 594372;1396233657;nubbins`;asshole wins: he gets 9btc refund. you win: you get 9btc payout. 594373;1396233672;nubbins`;now tell me if people would be bringing frivolous claims to a court set up like that. 594374;1396233673;mircea_popescu;o.o 594375;1396233690;nubbins`;tell me if people wouldn't be encouraged to solve their own problems rather than whining to btc dad 594376;1396233704;mircea_popescu;i think perhaps you may be optimising for a differen tproblem. 594377;1396233713;nubbins`;solving all of them at once, really 594378;1396233716;MisterE;bitcointalk is there the whiners are 594379;1396233754;nubbins`;i don't think there are any problems left ;D 594380;1396233765;mircea_popescu;cool. im off to bed. 594381;1396233777;nubbins`;nitey 594382;1396233892;nubbins`;rota was a fine idea but just incorrectly structured from the start. it'd probably still be going if it was set up the way i've outlined ;D 594383;1396233918;nubbins`;MisterE: http://trilema.com/category/rota/ 594384;1396233933;MisterE;thanks 594385;1396233950;nubbins`;having the defendant pay 10btc creates a strong disincentive to participate 594386;1396233978;nubbins`;at least if there's no fee to register a defence, he's got nothing to lose by participating 594387;1396234180;MisterE;fees are always the plantiff's burden 594388;1396234194;nubbins`;as it should be 594389;1396234199;MisterE;frivolous suits are weeded out that way 594390;1396234206;nubbins`;you got it 594391;1396234207;MisterE;wel many are 594392;1396234230;the20year1;As far as user trust goes, what's more important btc-otc or bitcointalk? 594393;1396234236;MisterE;I habent read yet but this is BTC arbitration? 594394;1396234243;MisterE;the20year1: same 594395;1396234255;MisterE;we;l not same but very similar 594396;1396234256;nubbins`;the20year1: if you ask people on irc, -otc. if you ask people on the forums, the forums. 594397;1396234279;MisterE;users here are the top of the pyramid 594398;1396234280;the20year1;i'm sure the best answer is 'get both' , but i'm coming to realize that trust is good, it might save me some cash over the next 2 months 594399;1396234302;nubbins`;both is nice to have 594400;1396234302;MisterE;trust can save you *a lot* 594401;1396234311;nubbins`;forum people don't give a fuck about otc ratings, and vice versa 594402;1396234315;MisterE;if you have to shoose get rated by people here 594403;1396234325;nubbins`;it depends on who you plan on doing business with 594404;1396234330;MisterE;right 594405;1396234365;the20year1;Lucky for me, the bulk of my investors aren't on either, however it'd be good going forward to have good ratings on both 594406;1396234373;MisterE;can I borrow something so I can pay it back and get rated? 594407;1396234398;MisterE;get them on wot ASAP 594408;1396234465;kakobrekla;but that requires reading stuff. 594409;1396234476;the20year1;Well, in my case i've been 'loaned' something like 800btc 594410;1396234485;kakobrekla;re borrowing, yeah bitcoinpete just did that a day or three ago iirc 594411;1396234496;the20year1;and out of that, among the 450ish users, some should be on irc & btct 594412;1396234512;nubbins`;i don't think borrowing and repaying is a particularly good way of building trust. 594413;1396234524;kakobrekla;never said that . 594414;1396234534;nubbins`;no, MisterE hinted at it tho 594415;1396234542;MisterE;:) 594416;1396234562;MisterE;I just want to get my rating off the ground 594417;1396234577;MisterE;kakobrekla: yea thats where I got the idea 594418;1396234578;nubbins`;so do something that'll make people trust you :P 594419;1396234585;MisterE;heh 594420;1396234610;nubbins`;"i got a loan and paid it back" is just another way of saying "i'm not going to pay back the first loan that's big enough" 594421;1396234626;kakobrekla;suck a dick without biting it off 594422;1396234639;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00094708 = 10.1338 BTC [-] 594423;1396234651;the20year1;pretty much 594424;1396234752;MisterE;lolol 594425;1396234764;the20year1;Did you know there are 3 grades of ketchup? 594426;1396234778;MisterE;not surprised 594427;1396234784;MisterE;easy to make 594428;1396234806;kakobrekla;tomatoes *SPLASH* ketchup 594429;1396234808;MisterE;I make my own bbq / ketchup / marinara 594430;1396234818;MisterE;heh nearly 594431;1396234823;MisterE;vinegar 594432;1396234874;nubbins`;garlic 594433;1396234888;nubbins`;i've got pasta sauce from scratch figured out 594434;1396234897;nubbins`;haven't tried ketchup from scratch yet ;D 594435;1396234954;the20year1;standard, extra standard and fancy 594436;1396235155;nubbins`;i wonder which one heinz is 594437;1396235197;nubbins`;ketchup and plastic film are two products where i always spend extra to get the name-brand stuff 594438;1396235202;bounce;you know, there's a long history of (non-bitcoin) courts and such, and also a long history of abuse in various forms. question then is why and when doesn't such a system get abused (or at least not too much, and then what is this not too much you speak of)? 594439;1396235397;kakobrekla;http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-used-client-money-operations-extravagances-allege-staff/ 594440;1396235399;kakobrekla;lolwtf 594441;1396235493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12702 @ 0.00094716 = 12.0308 BTC [+] {2} 594442;1396235527;kakobrekla;ona day he has all btc, the next none, the third some, the fourth all again, but on the fifth it seems all is gone. 594443;1396235597;nubbins`;bounce: generally historic courts did not impose a 10btc fee on the plaintiffs, only 9btc of which will be returned in the event of a win. 594444;1396235644;nubbins`;seems impossibly foolhardy in retrospect, but they were simpler times 594445;1396236179;the20year1;There have been courts historically who charge the plaintiff large fees to file a case 594446;1396236835;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00095082 = 13.4541 BTC [+] {3} 594447;1396236896;nubbins`;http://i.imgur.com/kIoqjQG.jpg 594448;1396236958;MisterE;in thailand your fee is a percentage of the damages you seek 594449;1396236965;MisterE;and that can get hefty 594450;1396236977;MisterE;rather like the concept tho 594451;1396237018;MisterE;some future costs can be paid from that fee though iirc 594452;1396237076;nubbins`;interesting 594453;1396237080;nubbins`;anyway, one more link then bed 594454;1396237081;nubbins`;http://www.fruitsaladtrees.com/ 594455;1396237082;ozbot;Fruit Salad Tree Company | Home 594456;1396237136;MisterE;-assets should fund the space elevator! 594457;1396237140;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15192 @ 0.00095313 = 14.48 BTC [+] {2} 594458;1396237166;MisterE;news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/03/140306-space-elevator-partial-orbit-science/ 594459;1396237282;bitcoinpete;kakobrekla: thanks for the rating! was wondering if you know what to do about some other guy who rated me -1 with comment "Nick squatter using this nick to scam you. Ask in channel to have this scammer authenticate." http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=bitcoinpete&sign=ANY&type=RECV 594460;1396237314;bitcoinpete;seems this guy is a nicksquatter patrolman of sorts 594461;1396237332;mike_c;did you email him? 594462;1396237517;bitcoinpete;not yet, but you're right, that's the first thing to do 594463;1396237532;novusordo;sounds like someone's using your nick to scam others while unauthenticated 594464;1396237567;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0009541 = 16.3151 BTC [+] 594465;1396237572;bitcoinpete;i thought people knew better than to work with unauthenticated people 594466;1396237587;novusordo;only complete noobs don't 594467;1396237630;bitcoinpete;this Michail1 must be protector and defender of noobs then 594468;1396237644;bitcoinpete;yeesh 594469;1396237668;novusordo;you can message nickserv "set enforce on" to automatically kick people off your username after 30 seconds if they haven't authed 594470;1396237689;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00095427 = 19.3717 BTC [+] {3} 594471;1396237691;bitcoinpete;did not know that, thx 594472;1396237822;novusordo;i'm sure if you message Michail1 while authed, he'll remove the rating 594473;1396237952;joecool;;;events bitcoinpete 594474;1396237952;gribble;http://otcdb.us.to/otc/?bitcoinpete&&&&& 594475;1396237956;ozbot;OTC bitcoinpete 594476;1396238014;joecool;bitcoinpete: yeah you had a squatter on your nick :P 594477;1396238052;bitcoinpete;joecool hot damn 594478;1396238299;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05739998 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2} 594479;1396238301;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6227 @ 0.00095225 = 5.9297 BTC [-] 594480;1396238394;bitcoinpete;;;ident bitcoinpete 594481;1396238394;gribble;Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is identified as user 'bitcoinpete', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None 594482;1396238500;bitcoinpete;never a dull moment 594483;1396239153;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12267 @ 0.00095132 = 11.6698 BTC [-] {2} 594484;1396239214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62105 = 1.2421 BTC [+] {2} 594485;1396239275;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.62016666 = 3.721 BTC [-] {2} 594486;1396239466;jayk_;http://imgur.com/gallery/NgX75 594487;1396239466;ozbot;Smartass kid test answers - Imgur 594488;1396240007;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.61479598 = 15.3699 BTC [-] {6} 594489;1396240130;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0560001 = 0.112 BTC [-] 594490;1396240460;MisterE;yea glad I jumped out yesterday despite booking minor loss 594491;1396240486;MisterE;I'll coin up by getting in lower now 594492;1396240800;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00094827 = 11.8534 BTC [-] 594493;1396240861;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20572 @ 0.00094771 = 19.4963 BTC [-] {2} 594494;1396240922;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17378 @ 0.00094418 = 16.408 BTC [-] 594495;1396241288;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20725 @ 0.00095157 = 19.7213 BTC [+] {2} 594496;1396241349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.61 = 4.27 BTC [-] {2} 594497;1396241410;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.605 = 1.815 BTC [-] 594498;1396241461;benkay;pankkake: what was dotcoin's operation that did the forced buyback list their 'asset'? 594499;1396241496;benkay;on what 'exchange' did dotcoin issue the paper he later did the forced buyback on? 594500;1396241521;pankkake;I don't know much besides https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361852.0 and him doing an IPO every other week 594501;1396241540;pankkake;not sure it always cryptostocks, maybe sometimes direct 594502;1396241859;benkay;;;gettrust bitcoinpete 594503;1396241860;gribble;WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: Fri Mar 28 09:14:47 2014 594504;1396241925;bitcoinpete;;;ident bitcoinpete 594505;1396241925;gribble;Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is identified as user 'bitcoinpete', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None 594506;1396242142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11037 @ 0.00095263 = 10.5142 BTC [+] 594507;1396242304;MisterE;;;ident MisterE 594508;1396242304;gribble;Nick 'MisterE', with hostmask 'MisterE!~MisterE@unaffiliated/mistere', is not identified. 594509;1396242326;MisterE;I should make a join command to ident 594510;1396242333;benkay;ident party 594511;1396242360;benkay;join command MisterE ? 594512;1396242507;MisterE;Server connection commands is a better term... My client can perform functions when connecting to a network like i have it set up to auth with some bots that control channel access so I dont have to mess with it each time I connect. 594513;1396242537;MisterE;I could do something like that with gribble 594514;1396242617;kakobrekla;;;later tell mike_c spam got in your blogs comments 594515;1396242617;gribble;The operation succeeded. 594516;1396242638;MisterE;/quote PRIVMSG is a great thing 594517;1396242671;kakobrekla;i want to take the credit :D 594518;1396242691;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1672 @ 0.00094418 = 1.5787 BTC [-] 594519;1396242692;MisterE;damn that spam is always triggering please moderate... 594520;1396242696;MisterE;hate that 594521;1396242752;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.0009429 = 6.1289 BTC [-] 594522;1396242935;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00094337 = 8.962 BTC [+] 594523;1396243179;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00094265 = 14.941 BTC [-] {3} 594524;1396243234;benkay;dunno MisterE automating gpg sounds like a recipe for disaster 594525;1396243240;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] 594526;1396243241;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.0009425 = 20.0753 BTC [-] {2} 594527;1396243255;MisterE;yea just the auth request part 594528;1396243294;MisterE;I just need a prompt to do it each day really 594529;1396243545;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4931 @ 0.00094337 = 4.6518 BTC [+] 594530;1396245863;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00094512 = 18.5716 BTC [+] {2} 594531;1396246770;benkay;;;ticker 594532;1396246772;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 439.79, Best ask: 440.34, Bid-ask spread: 0.55000, Last trade: 439.79, 24 hour volume: 36193.72912515, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 489.87, 24 hour vwap: 456.659521246 594533;1396247456;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 594534;1396247461;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 442.64, vol: 36210.30507710 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 450.44, vol: 36884.49387 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 443.7999, vol: 36343.85160144 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 456.69, vol: 169.3328953 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 436.83164, vol: 6226.31680000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 447.0, vol: 35.89071301 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 508.824, vol: 221.6968638 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 594535;1396247513;BingoBoingo;;;more 594536;1396247513;gribble;445.318033737 594537;1396247518;benkay;helluva power law on the volume 594538;1396247521;benkay;bitstamp 36k 594539;1396247540;benkay;o wait this is not sorted by vol 594540;1396247577;benkay;nanotube: what would be the implications of sorting gribble market output by exchange volume? 594541;1396247599;benkay;;;later tell mircea_popescu what would be the implications of sorting gribble market output by exchange volume? 594542;1396247599;gribble;The operation succeeded. 594543;1396247602;benkay;horrible idea? 594544;1396247657;BingoBoingo;benkay: Prolly not a bad one 594545;1396247672;benkay;i've probly had worse 594546;1396247688;kakobrekla;kraken whole 35btc worth eh. 594547;1396247693;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00094899 = 13.9502 BTC [+] {2} 594548;1396247815;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 923 @ 0.00094955 = 0.8764 BTC [+] 594549;1396247912;BingoBoingo;kakobrekla: I'll take one of those wiki logins, plz 594550;1396248018;kakobrekla;pm 594551;1396248852;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.056 = 0.336 BTC [-] {2} 594552;1396249096;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7632 @ 0.00095483 = 7.2873 BTC [+] {2} 594553;1396249462;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.5910375 = 4.7283 BTC [-] {3} 594554;1396249584;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05737336 = 0.1147 BTC [+] {2} 594555;1396249906;moiety_;kakobrekla: a wiki? :D if you want me to proof it periodically, or anything else, send me a log in too :) 594556;1396249952;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 594557;1396250173;moiety_;lol @ "too honest for a sgady logo" 594558;1396250185;moiety_;shady* 594559;1396250255;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.590003 = 3.54 BTC [-] 594560;1396250495;kakobrekla;sure, pm 594561;1396250743;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00095108 = 16.0257 BTC [-] {3} 594562;1396251658;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00603211 = 0.5972 BTC [-] {6} 594563;1396252268;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00095074 = 16.638 BTC [-] {2} 594564;1396252695;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00094565 = 19.0076 BTC [-] {2} 594565;1396252878;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62613079 BTC [+] 594566;1396252939;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 18 @ 0.10144642 = 1.826 BTC [-] 594567;1396253149;Namworld;okay, seriously... I'm not registering, NYtime, to view an article 594568;1396253196;Namworld;All those news link block reading till you register. It's free, so why even ask for registration. 594569;1396253427;antephialtic;interesting to see the neo&bee scam finally implode 594570;1396253464;antephialtic;though I think this will be bad for BTC stocks in general - this was a fairly elaborate scam, and many will probably not trust btc denominated investments for a long time 594571;1396253612;kakobrekla;just FYI 594572;1396253616;kakobrekla;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3105046#msg3105046 594573;1396253618;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings 594574;1396253653;kakobrekla;so, first. 594575;1396253664;antephialtic;I didn't invest, even if it wasn't a scam, it was a pretty bad business plan 594576;1396253693;antephialtic;since 99% of their accounts were denominated in euros, they were hugely exposed to the price of BTC 594577;1396253726;antephialtic;investing in neo was basically a highly leveraged bet on the price of BTC itself, with the risks completely outweighing any possible benefits - assuming the business was completely legitimate 594578;1396253738;antephialtic;which, seemingly is not the case 594579;1396253778;kakobrekla;the brick and mortar trick is still something new in btcland 594580;1396253849;antephialtic;lesson: people are stupid 594581;1396253888;antephialtic;and bitcoin seems to attract people that are exceptionally stupid. 594582;1396253919;kakobrekla;interestingly enough the conviction 2 years ago was exactly the opposite 594583;1396253957;antephialtic;yeah, well all those people sold at $1200 to the new batch of morons 594584;1396253968;kakobrekla;i didnt 594585;1396254190;Namworld;That's not okay, kakobrekla. You should have sold all at $1200 to rebuy later. 594586;1396254217;Namworld;"Hindsight and time-machine required" 594587;1396254317;kakobrekla;too much counter party risk 594588;1396254525;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10227 @ 0.00094987 = 9.7143 BTC [+] 594589;1396255020;VanCleef;kakobrekla you blew it 594590;1396255044;VanCleef;could have easily doubled up by now 594591;1396255091;kakobrekla;mhm 594592;1396255257;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00094905 = 10.5819 BTC [-] {2} 594593;1396255501;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00094885 = 10.0104 BTC [-] 594594;1396256477;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00095209 = 3.5703 BTC [+] 594595;1396256965;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30037 @ 0.00094885 = 28.5006 BTC [-] {2} 594596;1396258506;cazalla;Bitcoin price above $1000 before April - damn, did i get this bet wrong 594597;1396258612;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00094645 = 16.9415 BTC [-] 594598;1396260076;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6625 @ 0.00094552 = 6.2641 BTC [-] 594599;1396260213;random_cat;some hours remain :D 594600;1396260442;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16152 @ 0.0009447 = 15.2588 BTC [-] 594601;1396260808;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13318 @ 0.00094474 = 12.582 BTC [+] {2} 594602;1396261423;moiety;<Namworld> "Hindsight and time-machine required" << lolol where can i get these?! 594603;1396261479;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00094898 = 20.8301 BTC [+] {2} 594604;1396261723;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04688799 = 0.1407 BTC [+] 594605;1396263998;BingoBoingo;;;ticker 594606;1396263999;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 446.0, Best ask: 447.8, Bid-ask spread: 1.80000, Last trade: 446.0, 24 hour volume: 34451.88813870, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 486.7, 24 hour vwap: 454.386601264 594607;1396264051;BingoBoingo;!jd 594608;1396264051;assbot;Just-Dice stat: 15022 BTC profit, 31.8k BTC invested, 949.66 mio bets, 5.12 mio BTC wagered 594609;1396264102;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15805 @ 0.00095156 = 15.0394 BTC [+] {2} 594610;1396265909;ThickAsThieves;http://www.coindesk.com/neo-bees-suspends-btc-share-trading-due-abnormal-activity/ 594611;1396265918;ThickAsThieves;While CEO Danny Brewster is out of the country and has not made an official statement on the events, he denied anything untoward about his actions. 594612;1396265918;ThickAsThieves;“My silence is for a very valid and personal reason, all the rumors that are flying about are false and couldn’t be further from the truth. I haven’t moved from Cyprus or anything of the kind I am TEMPORARILY out of the country resolving some big issues that were made much worse by people stating incorrect facts in a public forum.” 594613;1396266058;ThickAsThieves;this statement is odd "What’s even stranger is that LMB Holdings’ shares are not traded via Havelock Investments, only Neo & Bee’s." 594614;1396266091;ThickAsThieves;considering the prospectus says: "LMB Holdings Share Structure 594615;1396266091;ThickAsThieves;Public investors currently hold 5,042,638 LMB Holdings shares (31.5164875% of the profits), whilst LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK) shall hold 10,957,362 shares 68.4835125% of the profits), for a total of 16,000,000 LMB Holdings virtual shares, which represent 100% of the global profits of the LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK)." 594616;1396266392;ThickAsThieves;kako, it was me that suggested the wiki and categories, thx for making it 594617;1396266407;ThickAsThieves;cool to see the b-a site growing 594618;1396266603;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00094936 = 16.8037 BTC [-] 594619;1396266778;ThickAsThieves;http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/03/31/long-term-update-at-support/ 594620;1396266779;ozbot;Long Term Update: at support | Bitcoin Trading Signals 594621;1396267457;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00094936 = 11.2024 BTC [-] 594622;1396268555;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00094936 = 6.8829 BTC [-] 594623;1396268739;dirt_;I thought it was odd too. Mixing personal/business, and blaming a public forum? what, bitcointalk? 594624;1396268978;dexX7;<Ukyo> Anyone awake with ukyo.loan shares? << related to neo? ;) 594625;1396268982;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.607994 = 1.216 BTC [-] {2} 594626;1396269043;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59200003 = 1.184 BTC [-] 594627;1396269095;the20year2;Could be 594628;1396269104;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.590003 = 5.31 BTC [-] 594629;1396269138;the20year2;so this neobee thing has to do with ukto? 594630;1396269209;dexX7;it's only a very, very wild theory 594631;1396269220;ThickAsThieves;did Ukyo elaborate? 594632;1396269226;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.59000055 = 10.62 BTC [-] {4} 594633;1396269238;dexX7;<whitty> me ukyo 594634;1396269239;dexX7;<Ukyo> whitty: give me a min. jsut doing some testing 594635;1396269254;dexX7;that's all 594636;1396269254;ThickAsThieves;oh he's probly just making a claims page 594637;1396269260;ThickAsThieves;maybe paying divs?] 594638;1396269292;dexX7;the quote was from yesterday btw 594639;1396270325;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22152 @ 0.00095199 = 21.0885 BTC [+] {2} 594640;1396270812;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8493 @ 0.00094936 = 8.0629 BTC [-] 594641;1396270891;dirt_;Do you think neobee situation will last all week/longer? 594642;1396270955;artifexd;;;later tell bitcoinpete If you're going to have "IRC Nicknames" in the title, maybe discuss them in the post proper instead of just the footnotes? 594643;1396270956;gribble;The operation succeeded. 594644;1396271053;dexX7;dirt_: i think no one knows at this point 594645;1396271300;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00095149 = 2.0457 BTC [+] 594646;1396271849;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06402556 = 0.1281 BTC [-] {2} 594647;1396272124;andreas_;;;ticker 594648;1396272125;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 460.08, Best ask: 462.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.92000, Last trade: 460.02, 24 hour volume: 34256.39991395, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 486.7, 24 hour vwap: 453.455374355 594649;1396272276;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06060102 = 0.1818 BTC [-] 594650;1396272337;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06060102 = 0.1818 BTC [-] 594651;1396272802;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay what do you mean ? 594652;1396272802;gribble;The operation succeeded. 594653;1396272912;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you're deluding yourself. whether there's a fee for participation or not, the defendant's risking something participating. 594654;1396272947;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51628 @ 0.00095246 = 49.1736 BTC [+] {3} 594655;1396272947;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 534 @ 0.00586962 = 3.1344 BTC [-] {10} 594656;1396273496;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00095443 = 9.258 BTC [+] 594657;1396274045;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06270222 = 0.4389 BTC [+] {3} 594658;1396274098;mircea_popescu;so what's the neobee announcement ? 594659;1396274106;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06270999 = 0.5017 BTC [+] {2} 594660;1396274160;mircea_popescu;the20year1 it's all a question of who do you want to deal with. to me, forum trust means exactly zero. to the forum, wel... they don't even know whjat the wot is, they're barely discovering chan logs these days. 594661;1396274167;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06270998 = 0.3763 BTC [-] 594662;1396274193;mircea_popescu;and before you make the kneejerk decision that you'd rather go where the people are, let me remind you that this is bitcoin, and that nonsense already took you to bf once, and then to havelock. 594663;1396274411;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34922 @ 0.00095347 = 33.2971 BTC [-] 594664;1396274595;mike_c;kakobrekla: thanks, spam cleansed. 594665;1396274634;mircea_popescu;nubbins`: i don't think borrowing and repaying is a particularly good way of building trust. < it's awful really, more likely to diminish the trust of the rater than to improve that of the rate'ed. 594666;1396274697;ThickAsThieves;agreed 594667;1396274704;ThickAsThieves;the borrow 1btc for a week thing is silly 594668;1396274708;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla it's how you manage muppets, a la bitcointalk forum crowd. 594669;1396274719;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well, it rules out dank. 594670;1396274735;ThickAsThieves;it opens up those lenders to be targets too 594671;1396274762;artifexd;What is "dank"? 594672;1396274787;mircea_popescu;generally the corollary of freedom is that well... you gotta stay vigilant. which explains why freedom is so deeply umpopular. 594673;1396274804;mircea_popescu;artifexd o you missed a lot of fun. 594674;1396274816;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-03-2014#592703 594675;1396274819;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 594676;1396274883;mircea_popescu;hm, bitcoinpete's adventure is quite important : everyone with a WoT account : make sure you turn enforce on with nickserv. 594677;1396274892;mircea_popescu;otherwise you're just contributing tools to scammers. 594678;1396274907;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo this should actually be in your manual. it's an absolute imperative, you can 594679;1396274909;wywialm;and what is a good way of building trust then? 594680;1396274912;mircea_popescu;'t have wot accts w/o enforce. 594681;1396274930;mircea_popescu;wywialm if you idle here and read, good ways present themselves. 594682;1396274940;mircea_popescu;often someone needs something done or there's an idea you can help with etc. 594683;1396274947;mircea_popescu;you know, just like in any society. 594684;1396274974;artifexd;I was here. Lurking. Watching it live. I just stayed silent because I had nothing useful to add. I did miss the "dank bank" comment. 594685;1396274992;mircea_popescu;jayk can't believe asshole teacher had the guts to x that answer. 594686;1396275009;mircea_popescu;artifexd i know about you. i was talking to him tho :p 594687;1396275021;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00095334 = 15.6348 BTC [-] {3} 594688;1396275046;mircea_popescu;http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/31/us-eurozone-inflation-idUSBREA2U0F320140331 594689;1396275046;ozbot;Euro zone inflation drops to lowest since 2009 594690;1396275051;mircea_popescu;check out how well europe is doing :D 594691;1396275055;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha 594692;1396275064;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'll address this deficiency 594693;1396275078;mircea_popescu;so putin threatens to fuck them up with the energy, quickly the propaganda brigade is out there with preparatory statements 594694;1396275101;mircea_popescu;"oh, it may be the case everything will be more expensive in the future, perhaps, BUT!! don't worry about it, you read last month all about how low inflation is!" 594695;1396275148;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/TRJRSgf.jpg << ahaha this is beyond cute. 594696;1396275176;VanCleef;speaking of media propaganda the funnest ones i seen was yesterday or the day before, but all american media groups were saying putin called obama about ukraine because putin is weak and looking for an exit 594697;1396275180;VanCleef;was like wtf? 594698;1396275216;mircea_popescu;lol 594699;1396275234;mircea_popescu;terribly weak, i bet. didn't they pretty much take over and end of story ? 594700;1396275319;ThickAsThieves;how do you enable 'enforce' of nicks? i'm registered in nickserv, is that how? 594701;1396275341;mircea_popescu;joecool now that's pretty cool! i had forgotten all about ;;events 594702;1396275344;artifexd;/msg nickserv set enforce on 594703;1396275356;mircea_popescu;lol he just missed his reg window 594704;1396275361;ThickAsThieves;thanks! 594705;1396275370;mircea_popescu;wb. 594706;1396275374;Mats_cd03;balls 594707;1396275383;mircea_popescu;;;ticker 594708;1396275383;Mats_cd03;i need wot rating to edit the wiki :( 594709;1396275384;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 459.5, Best ask: 462.04, Bid-ask spread: 2.54000, Last trade: 462.04, 24 hour volume: 32552.45101504, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 486.7, 24 hour vwap: 452.77957586 594710;1396275389;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 ask kakobrekla 594711;1396275400;ThickAsThieves;didnt mp rate you? 594712;1396275405;mircea_popescu;i did ? 594713;1396275410;Mats_cd03;no 594714;1396275412;ThickAsThieves;oh it was mattc 594715;1396275415;ThickAsThieves;mikec 594716;1396275417;ThickAsThieves;bleh 594717;1396275465;ThickAsThieves;nickserv enforce does what exactly, forces you to ident with nickserv on login? 594718;1396275477;mircea_popescu;within 30 seconds 594719;1396275480;ThickAsThieves;cool 594720;1396275498;mircea_popescu;NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>. 594721;1396275500;mircea_popescu;like that. 594722;1396275564;mircea_popescu;;;later tell benkay it was btctc if memory serves. 594723;1396275565;gribble;The operation succeeded. 594724;1396275578;ThickAsThieves;"The euro zone is far from the deflation that Japan suffered from the early 1990s" 594725;1396275589;ThickAsThieves;deflation is suffering? 594726;1396275627;ThickAsThieves;i guess it would affect debtors 594727;1396275661;mircea_popescu;;;later tell antephialtic the sort of people who take their information from btctalk and etc are better off not investing in btc stocks yet anyway. 594728;1396275662;gribble;The operation succeeded. 594729;1396275675;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves you recall the minimal theft argument ? 594730;1396275700;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: theft 'hormesis' ? 594731;1396275706;ThickAsThieves;i do not 594732;1396275711;mircea_popescu;aite lemme find it 594733;1396275753;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] {2} 594734;1396275767;ThickAsThieves;i can however see how an institutionally inflationary economy going deflationary could be painful 594735;1396275804;mike_c;well, the biggest debtor in the land is the govt. they aren't going to let things get deflationary. 594736;1396275838;mircea_popescu;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2014#571177 594737;1396275842;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 594738;1396275899;ThickAsThieves;ok i remember now 594739;1396275923;mircea_popescu;so now, a cogent argument can be brought that japan was wrecked by its deflation years. 594740;1396275933;mircea_popescu;they survived ww2 and hiroshima as a traditional society. 594741;1396275937;mircea_popescu;all that is gone now. the reason ? 594742;1396275943;mircea_popescu;well japanese kids didn't start raping their mothers 594743;1396275948;mircea_popescu;but they did stop having sex altogether. 594744;1396275971;mircea_popescu;in the end the effect is the same. japan as you know it is about as relevant to world affairs as the hitite empire. 594745;1396275988;ThickAsThieves;i wonder if their penises will evolve to clits over time if it keeps up 594746;1396276007;mike_c;japan gets first crack at karpeles, that's gotta be worth something. 594747;1396276009;mircea_popescu;they won't make it. just be replaced with some sort of short stocky chinese. 594748;1396276026;mircea_popescu;i really dislike that type, too. and especially their women. 594749;1396276036;ThickAsThieves;hehe 594750;1396276052;mircea_popescu;o look, the breakfast pancake is now moving around on two olives! 594751;1396276054;asciilifeform;they could always grow another yukio mishima, this time with a brain, and go productively geopolitically apeshit 594752;1396276066;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mishima had a brain imo. 594753;1396276083;mircea_popescu;they didn't have teh... i dunno how to call it, the endometrium say. 594754;1396276125;asciilifeform;now this is probably true. sort of how limonov could not have possibly succeeded 594755;1396276137;mircea_popescu;right. a man is a zygote, 594756;1396276152;mircea_popescu;society around him needs to support la revolucion or else... no revolucion. 594757;1396276160;mircea_popescu;note how well guevara did in chad or w/e 594758;1396276166;asciilifeform;even the fellow mishima put in charge as 'kaisyaku' failed to do the job (cleanly chop off his head) 594759;1396276185;mircea_popescu;and i assure you had mishima had a better candidate available, he'd have picked that one. 594760;1396276187;mircea_popescu;you know ? 594761;1396276203;asciilifeform;'can't mold bullet from shit' 594762;1396276234;mircea_popescu;re limonov : http://russiapedia.rt.com/files/prominent-russians/politics-and-society/eduard-limonov/eduard-limonov_16-t.jpg 594763;1396276245;VanCleef;what if you freeze it? 594764;1396276246;mircea_popescu;wouldn't one be worried once his tits are better than the girl's ? 594765;1396276261;mircea_popescu;VanCleef and you shoot it with a freezefull explosion ? 594766;1396276277;VanCleef;geez that would be horrible, shitting in a bullet type casing and freezing it and then firing it into someone 594767;1396276302;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06103288 = 0.1221 BTC [-] 594768;1396276303;asciilifeform;VanCleef: frozen bullet never worked - because 'pv = nrt' 594769;1396276305;mircea_popescu;friction melts it. 594770;1396276317;asciilifeform;not the friction. the gas compression in front of it. 594771;1396276318;VanCleef;let a man dream damn it 594772;1396276323;asciilifeform;same as for re-entry from orbit 594773;1396276340;Mats_cd03;id poo in a shell for you 594774;1396276343;asciilifeform;or your refrigerator 594775;1396276346;mircea_popescu;also that. 594776;1396276367;VanCleef;i was at a party and shat in someones bong once 594777;1396276378;ThickAsThieves;:/ 594778;1396276390;novusordo;cover the shit with a layer of epoxy 594779;1396276399;mircea_popescu;epoxy in a bong ?! 594780;1396276415;novusordo;i was still talking about the bullet 594781;1396276417;ThickAsThieves;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#591285 594782;1396276420;ozbot;#bitcoin-assets log 594783;1396276437;Mats_cd03;wtf? 594784;1396276438;asciilifeform;soviet tale - one drunken idiot tells another, 'i was at this party, and this guy must've been a serious contraband hero, he's loaded - i stumbled around, looking for the throne, and found a little bathroom with golden toilet!' - other: 'fucktard, so it was you who took a shit in the saxophone!' 594785;1396276460;mircea_popescu;kik 594786;1396276471;VanCleef;lol 594787;1396276484;mircea_popescu;contraband hero huh ? like guitar hero, except the 80s 594788;1396276491;asciilifeform;(translation mine) 594789;1396276546;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06103288 = 0.1831 BTC [-] 594790;1396276577;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla: the brick and mortar trick is still something new in btcland << hardly. mtgox had them, bitcoin foundation had them (before running of to the uk at any rate) 594791;1396276661;mircea_popescu;dirt_ it's really not weird at all. exactly by the book how these things unfold. 594792;1396276699;chetty;http://bigstory.ap.org/article/global-warming-dials-our-risks-un-report-says 594793;1396276699;ozbot;Global warming dials up our risks, UN report says 594794;1396276743;mircea_popescu;chetty you know how this global warming soup sounds to me ? like since the 90s govt was hoping for an alien invasion to blame everything on, and by now they've finally decided that's not happening so going with plan b 594795;1396276754;mircea_popescu;i guess it's better than plan c, "the daisies did it, man!" 594796;1396276783;chetty;yeah - a bit confusing how they manage that with no warming the last 15 or so years 594797;1396276798;mircea_popescu;that's why they didn't go ahead and pretend it was the aliens. 594798;1396276863;mircea_popescu;Temperature : 44 C/ 111 F (Normal) Temperature Sensor Status : Normal 594799;1396276866;asciilifeform;it won't surprise me to see 'international komyoonity' airstrikes on uppity third-worlders who won't play ball and deindustrialize. 'punishment for pollution'. 594800;1396276870;mircea_popescu;see ? 44 c is now "normal" :D 594801;1396276887;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not happening. 594802;1396276912;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06402546 = 0.3201 BTC [+] 594803;1396276913;mircea_popescu;there's no "international community" any more than the bitcointalk folks are "the bitcoin community" 594804;1396276924;mircea_popescu;all that bullshit died in syria. 594805;1396276947;asciilifeform;the arsonist who torched syria has a box full of matches left. 594806;1396277029;mircea_popescu;not really. 594807;1396277030;asciilifeform;they might be a little wet. but i'd be surprised if he doesn't try everything potentially flammable to see what can be burned next. 594808;1396277042;mircea_popescu;the way this game works is you get one new match once you successfully use the previous. 594809;1396277049;chetty;I'm sure they will keep trying 594810;1396277057;mircea_popescu;trying doesn't even count in dating 594811;1396277063;mircea_popescu;what, world politics ? forget it. 594812;1396277086;asciilifeform;if this were so, it would've ended with vietnam. 594813;1396277126;mircea_popescu;it had ended with vietnam. 594814;1396277145;mircea_popescu;but then cccp collapsed and the us figured its ww2 v2.0 594815;1396277156;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00584171 = 0.2512 BTC [+] 594816;1396277198;asciilifeform;http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html 594817;1396277199;ozbot;History of U.S. Military Interventions since 1890 594818;1396277205;mircea_popescu;should the recent steps in china's attempts to democratize and capitalize (ie, the opening of bank deposits to risk) explode badly and end china, then the us may figure hey, v3.0! 594819;1396277211;mircea_popescu;this is possible, but perhaps improbable. 594820;1396277261;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform note the prominent absence of stuff 75-90 594821;1396277278;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0612 = 0.306 BTC [-] 594822;1396277556;ThickAsThieves;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=462370.msg5993297#msg5993297 594823;1396277557;ozbot;[ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] 594824;1396277590;mircea_popescu;did they find the real pankkake yet ? 594825;1396277618;ThickAsThieves;they cant afford to 594826;1396277627;pankkake;this is so sad… the few shareholders that still had a brain are all over it 594827;1396277638;pankkake;not even asking how much it cost 594828;1396277643;mircea_popescu;whoa check this shit out : Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #wDqzUbLiYxa3zutm 594829;1396277644;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00583943 = 0.4321 BTC [-] {2} 594830;1396277645;Duffer1;turns out the slaughters are proudly reselling hashfast boards/chips as fast hash mining gear 594831;1396277651;pankkake;it almost seems like it was paid by the ukyo shares 594832;1396277686;pankkake;and they will likely forget the claims of lost coins on mtgox 594833;1396277705;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 325 @ 0.00583369 = 1.8959 BTC [-] 594834;1396277726;pankkake;there are multiple reports of refunds by check (and only that way) with misspellings and missing signatures 594835;1396277729;pankkake;seriously… 594836;1396277744;mircea_popescu;lol 594837;1396277768;Neil;Geez. I've written the beginnings of a bitcoin network node. It downloads and validates all 293400 block headers in 16.544 seconds. 594838;1396277778;Neil;Not the block bodies, of course. 594839;1396277778;mircea_popescu;;;seen cedivad 594840;1396277778;gribble;cedivad was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 1 hour, 56 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <cedivad> Mats_cd03: lol; +1 594841;1396277789;mircea_popescu;;;later tell cedivad is that you with bitcointa.lk ? 594842;1396277789;gribble;The operation succeeded. 594843;1396277807;mircea_popescu;Neil that's pretty good. 594844;1396277818;mircea_popescu;afaik benkay never got that far :D 594845;1396277831;Neil;mircea_popescu: Yeah; was initially connecting to a US node; it took 2 minutes. Looked up a Japan node and it just screams. 594846;1396277835;Duffer1;they botched their own board dev, scrapped their own 48/55/28nm projects, lost 500 coins on gox, outright stole (and admitted to stealing) shares from at least two shareholders, and lied about everything so far 594847;1396277854;mircea_popescu;Duffer1 sounds like a solid AAAA+ bitcoin corp 594848;1396277859;mircea_popescu;not like those fly-by-night ventures. 594849;1396277862;Duffer1;amazing company! 594850;1396277862;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 594851;1396277870;Neil;It's a little over 23 MB of data I think 594852;1396277888;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00095166 = 20.4607 BTC [-] {2} 594853;1396277911;mircea_popescu;anyway, mpoe-pr is moving to bitcointa.lk 594854;1396277921;mircea_popescu;http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/31/authors-jarring-claim-the-stock-market-is-rigged/ 594855;1396277922;ozbot;Author’s Jarring Claim: The Stock Market Is ‘Rigged’ | Video | TheBlaze.com 594856;1396278068;VanCleef;why doesn't hshe hang out on irc? 594857;1396278082;VanCleef;make it less of a sausage party 594858;1396278124;mircea_popescu;to do what ? 594859;1396278182;pankkake;.lk lets you "follow" users. cool 594860;1396278190;pankkake;just need a way to import my watchlist now 594861;1396278194;VanCleef;a. make it less of a sausage party b. provide some insight on bitcoin securities in real time 594862;1396278200;mircea_popescu;pankkake i seriously suggest everyone move. 594863;1396278219;mircea_popescu;thermos & co flea circus needs to end. 594864;1396278225;VanCleef;agreed 594865;1396278231;VanCleef;i hate thermos 594866;1396278244;mircea_popescu;VanCleef she's not better informed than i am you know. she'd just say, "what mp said" all the time. 594867;1396278250;pankkake;a bunch of mods are scum too (sorry davout!) 594868;1396278257;VanCleef;fair enough 594869;1396278272;VanCleef;is she your gf? 594870;1396278289;pankkake;I'm still thinking of doing a 4chan-for-bitcoin but I have other better things to do! 594871;1396278293;mircea_popescu;up until yest we had this gentleman agreement of sorts that they don't delete the girl's posts and i look the other way on the endless stupid shit they did. 594872;1396278304;pankkake;(or other worse things to do I can't avoid) 594873;1396278312;mircea_popescu;yesterday that line was broken, and with it... there goes. 594874;1396278315;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.064025 = 0.1921 BTC [+] 594875;1396278324;mircea_popescu;pankkake so do a 4chan, whaty 594876;1396278332;mircea_popescu;i ran a chan forever, you can have the backup 594877;1396278360;pankkake;there are some open source projects for that apparently 594878;1396278368;mircea_popescu;i meant data-wise 594879;1396278376;mircea_popescu;be nicely seeded with a bunch of good porn, not the shit ozpot spits out 594880;1396278381;mircea_popescu;maybe even write a proper .bait command. 594881;1396278391;pankkake;I still wonder how .bait works 594882;1396278401;mircea_popescu;pulls for tumblr i imagine 594883;1396278414;pankkake;yes, but I can't guess if it looks for tags or whatever, nor which 594884;1396278436;mircea_popescu;yea me either. 594885;1396278450;mircea_popescu;;;rated cevidad 594886;1396278451;gribble;You have not yet rated user cevidad 594887;1396278453;ThickAsThieves;.bait 594888;1396278455;ozbot;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3zbzufxWF1r91jyuo1_1280.jpg 594889;1396278463;pankkake;anyway, I just wonder how it would turn out when there are no nicknames. maybe everyone will be accused of being MP 594890;1396278476;ThickAsThieves;some big brains on that girl 594891;1396278492;mircea_popescu;pankkake so it'd be different from now how ? 594892;1396278498;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9999 @ 0.00095149 = 9.5139 BTC [-] 594893;1396278509;pankkake;eheh :) 594894;1396278515;pankkake;by the way, romain put up some new pics: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344219.40 (NSFW) 594895;1396278517;mircea_popescu;incidentally, here's a fun story : the original pythagoreans all claimed all their discoveries were made by... pythagora. 594896;1396278525;mircea_popescu;which was kinda funny seeing how the guy had been dead for a while. 594897;1396278542;mircea_popescu;all through modernity this was recounted as a "look how monastically humble those folks were" sort of tale 594898;1396278559;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8294 @ 0.00095139 = 7.8908 BTC [-] {3} 594899;1396278559;pankkake;reminds me of the communist dictators 594900;1396278563;mircea_popescu;but looking at bitcointalk, im realising it may have been the converse : to your average monkey of 500bc, anyone with a brain probably looked like the sockpuppet of the one guy with a brain 594901;1396278573;mircea_popescu;so they just accused any greek mathematician of "being pythagora" 594902;1396278574;mircea_popescu;and it stuck. 594903;1396278620;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19787 @ 0.00094997 = 18.7971 BTC [-] {2} 594904;1396278740;ThickAsThieves;heh 594905;1396278777;ThickAsThieves;anyone happen to know the way to look up a UK business license, ive done it before but now i cant recall how 594906;1396278798;mircea_popescu;;;google look up a UK business license 594907;1396278799;gribble;Licence Finder - GOV.UK: <https://www.gov.uk/licence-finder>; Get information about a company - GOV.UK: <https://www.gov.uk/get-information-about-a-company>; Companies House: <http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/> 594908;1396278800;VanCleef;so obamacare website ws a complete fail today 594909;1396278827;*;mircea_popescu lords it over ThickAsThieves 594910;1396278840;VanCleef;http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/obamacare-deadline/obamacare-website-fails-deadline-arrives-n67666 594911;1396278840;ozbot;Obamacare Website Fails as Deadline Arrives - NBC News 594912;1396278866;ThickAsThieves;ah that's the one 594913;1396278866;ThickAsThieves;http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk//wcframe?name=accessCompanyInfo 594914;1396278868;ozbot;Companies House WebCheck 594915;1396278880;ThickAsThieves;i ignored it at first cuz home page was spammy looking 594916;1396278897;ThickAsThieves;this one http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/ 594917;1396278932;ThickAsThieves;"Free" being a red flag i might be too sensitive to 594918;1396279169;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.00539816 = 0.7557 BTC [-] {11} 594919;1396279291;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0052222 = 0.2402 BTC [-] 594920;1396279353;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: what's a defendant risking by participating? his trust rating? that's on the line whether he participates or not! 594921;1396279389;VanCleef;jesus fucking christ how many threads does active mining need 594922;1396279408;mircea_popescu;nubbins` the judgement, whatever it may be. 594923;1396279422;ThickAsThieves;one for each whim of each shareholder VanCleef 594924;1396279438;ThickAsThieves;probly needs its own forum 594925;1396279444;VanCleef;lol yeh 594926;1396279457;VanCleef;activeminingtalk.org 594927;1396279499;pankkake;http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/21tp3n/the_following_accounts_are_operated_by_mpex/ oh he deleted it already :( 594928;1396279500;ozbot;The following accounts are operated by MPEx exchange and affiliates to discredit their competition. 594929;1396279527;mircea_popescu;derp. 594930;1396279545;Apocalyptic;"to discredit their competition." // they are already doing a fine job themselves 594931;1396279624;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic this is really crop of the season stuff. 594932;1396279639;mircea_popescu;the EXACT same crap was being peddled by all the people upset that mpoe-pr closed down glbse two years ago. 594933;1396279657;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.0052222 = 0.235 BTC [-] 594934;1396279662;mircea_popescu;they're still around, grumbling. fortunately, they have no btc to show, so it's mostly a vocal exercise. 594935;1396279706;asciilifeform;i confess that i wonder when i too will be featured on the 'secret soldier-shills of satanix mpex' lists the lamers are so fond of now. 594936;1396279738;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, you would have to post at bitcointroll for that to happen 594937;1396279791;jayk;hmm 594938;1396279879;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the reptillian brain is driven by visual cues. so, once you're visible. 594939;1396279885;nubbins`;so he's risking a negative judgment, and this is the reason to pull the plug on the whole thing? O_O 594940;1396279901;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.005201 = 0.104 BTC [-] 594941;1396279904;nubbins`;Hannibal ante portas! 594942;1396279905;mircea_popescu;nubbins` if he doesn't trust the court to fairly apportion the fees, he has no reason to trust the court with a farthing. 594943;1396279935;nubbins`;no, YOU don't trust the court to fairly apportion the fees 594944;1396279938;mircea_popescu;many things in bitcoin are an all or nothing proposition, which is why it's so important to always pick either and stick to it. 594945;1396279962;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.0051278 = 0.7692 BTC [-] {9} 594946;1396279969;mircea_popescu;i dun see why exactly you imagine this is personal in any sense. the court as it was failed to do so, that's objective not subjective. 594947;1396279982;jayk;the irs needed to stay out of bitcoin 594948;1396279984;*;jayk punches them 594949;1396279985;jayk;:\ 594950;1396280000;nubbins`;sure, but the whole thing i was getting at is that the fee structure was flawed from the start, which is why the experiment failed 594951;1396280012;mircea_popescu;this would seem to be your pet theory, yes. 594952;1396280044;nubbins`;i have yet to see anything to the contrary aside from some hand-waving about absolutes and subjectivity 594953;1396280084;Mats_cd03;luls 594954;1396280109;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-223#post-5722550 594955;1396280110;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 223 | Bitcointa.lk 594956;1396280117;mircea_popescu;"maybe danny is becoming danielle" 594957;1396280119;mircea_popescu;epic shit. 594958;1396280130;mircea_popescu;nubbins` you don't have to see "anything to the contrary" 594959;1396280133;mircea_popescu;that's not how arguments work. 594960;1396280134;pankkake;ah, she had the list! 594961;1396280163;nubbins`;man has a round hole, a square peg, and a round peg 594962;1396280169;nubbins`;square peg doesn't fit, so the hole is flawed 594963;1396280192;mircea_popescu;you familiar with the fallacy known as false dilemma ? 594964;1396280212;nubbins`;is it where people dance around addressing an issue? :D 594965;1396280213;mircea_popescu;(aka fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses) 594966;1396280241;mircea_popescu;no, it's where someone proposes he knows all the alternatives, which happen to be two, of which one happens to be something that didn't work in the past and the other happens to be his pet theory. 594967;1396280267;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 266 @ 0.00500488 = 1.3313 BTC [-] {3} 594968;1396280275;nubbins`;i'm not proposing i know all the alternatives, i'm simply proposing one alternative that avoids the pitfalls of the first failure 594969;1396280293;mircea_popescu;one alternative you claim avoids the pitfals you identify. 594970;1396280314;nubbins`;consider the statement suitably modified 594971;1396280326;mircea_popescu;well, i see not problem with it, but it ain't convincing me. 594972;1396280328;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.592 BTC [+] 594973;1396280349;nubbins`;shame to let such a cute baby starve 594974;1396280355;mircea_popescu;lol 594975;1396280365;mircea_popescu;cute babies starve all teh time, it's the way you feed freedom. 594976;1396280388;assbot;Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1766230/plain/) 594977;1396280388;asciilifeform;!b 1 594978;1396280396;bitcoinpete;Although some of you've read my latest blog post, I'm going to leave it here quietly for those who haven't: 594979;1396280398;nubbins`;ehhh, for someone who goes on about the sham fiat courts so much, i'm more than a bit surprised you gave up on the idea after the first bump in the road 594980;1396280400;bitcoinpete;http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/ 594981;1396280401;ozbot;Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | When Bitcoin Met Pete 594982;1396280405;nubbins`;but hey, it's your dime 594983;1396280413;mircea_popescu;twasnt a bump in the road, twas a major chasm. 594984;1396280421;mircea_popescu;i just got better flir vision than you'd expect. 594985;1396280427;nubbins`;heaven forbid you build a bridge 594986;1396280436;mircea_popescu;whole thing's rotten. 594987;1396280437;chetty;the time will come to feed that baby nubbins` , but not yet. 594988;1396280454;benkay;wd Neil, can you share your source? 594989;1396280467;nubbins`;chetty: well, we're both sidestepping the issue that nobody in btc space is nearly competent enough to serve as a judge of any sort 594990;1396280472;mircea_popescu;^ 594991;1396280478;mircea_popescu;no, i'm not sidestepping it lmao. 594992;1396280500;mircea_popescu;it's the fucking problem. citizen judgeship works if your citizenry consists of slave owning educated people 594993;1396280507;mircea_popescu;not web denizens 594994;1396280513;chetty;there are competent judges, but they can't be bothered 594995;1396280524;nubbins`;well i mean "open call for judges" certainly isn't the way to find 'em 594996;1396280532;mircea_popescu;the latter argues against the former. what competence of the lazy is this ?! 594997;1396280539;mircea_popescu;nubbins` why not ? 594998;1396280548;chetty;no lazy, busy 594999;1396280554;mircea_popescu;ahahaha she's buying neobee shares with aurora coins ok ok 595000;1396280610;nubbins`;mircea_popescu: because you get applications from -assets neckbeards & wizards who want to crawl up your bum 595001;1396280625;nubbins`;fun fact, this is not the place where the best and brightest hang out 595002;1396280632;nubbins`;far, far from it 595003;1396280635;mircea_popescu;nubbins` maybe, but that has nothing to do : if it's not open it's stacked. 595004;1396280641;Apocalyptic;nubbins`, what's that place ? 595005;1396280649;asciilifeform;meta-nsa. 595006;1396280653;mircea_popescu;the solution is to MAKE the best and brightest hang here. 595007;1396280663;nubbins`;it's certainly worked so far ;p 595008;1396280725;nubbins`;almost as well as putting up a lonely blog post worked at fetching judges 595009;1396280755;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00094939 = 15.8548 BTC [-] {2} 595010;1396280775;mircea_popescu;y so bitter nubsy 595011;1396280791;nubbins`;something stuck in my craw, nothing personal 595012;1396280807;nubbins`;this isn't the field of dreams -- you have to do more than build it for people to come 595013;1396280834;mircea_popescu;weren't you starving babies fifty lines up ? 595014;1396280854;nubbins`;about the same time you were dancing around straight answers, yep ;D 595015;1396280877;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06121101 = 0.1224 BTC [-] 595016;1396280890;nubbins`;now, i've gotta get to the post office before this 30cm of freezing rain shows up 595017;1396280892;mircea_popescu;Of the crooked eyes of humanity no straight answer was ever perceived. 595018;1396280919;nubbins`;have a chew on the fact that rarely in history has "the best thing" ever ended up at the top of the pile purely on its own merits 595019;1396280929;nubbins`;unfair as it is, c'est ca 595020;1396280933;chetty;http://www.smh.com.au/world/attempt-to-deposit-fake-bonds-in-vatican-bank-20140330-zqolp.html 595021;1396280934;ozbot;Attempt to deposit fake bonds in Vatican bank 595022;1396280938;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06121034 = 0.3673 BTC [-] {3} 595023;1396281066;mircea_popescu;so am i getting this straight, teh forum is accusing me of backhandedly and undergroundedly manipulating everything while petting my cat and rolling my evil mustachios 595024;1396281078;mircea_popescu;whereas irc is accusing me of daydreamingly waiting for things to just happen ? 595025;1396281083;mircea_popescu;i want a trophy for this. 595026;1396281121;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4068 @ 0.00094936 = 3.862 BTC [-] 595027;1396281122;asciilifeform;'why does physicist need a wife and a mistress? so that he can tell one that he is with the other, while he runs off to the lab to get some actual work in.' 595028;1396281274;ThickAsThieves;to be fair, ive only ever accussed you of being stubborn and having an acceptably deviant sexual disposition 595029;1396281290;ThickAsThieves;i think 595030;1396281307;ThickAsThieves;spelling* 595031;1396281329;mircea_popescu;TROPHY!!! 595032;1396281365;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18219 @ 0.00095425 = 17.3855 BTC [+] {2} 595033;1396281375;ThickAsThieves;you havent issued a trophy process 595034;1396281382;ThickAsThieves;how can we give you a trophy 595035;1396281384;ThickAsThieves;lazy fuck 595036;1396281426;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1081 @ 0.000955 = 1.0324 BTC [+] 595037;1396281426;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06100001 = 0.122 BTC [-] 595038;1396281440;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21tws3/satoshi_donated_to_dorian_fundraiser/ 595039;1396281440;ozbot;Satoshi donated to Dorian fundraiser : Bitcoin 595040;1396281447;ThickAsThieves;satoshi's a cheap mofo 595041;1396281548;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.45430027 BTC to 4`887 shares, 50221 satoshi per share 595042;1396281792;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] [PAID] 4.44000000 BTC to 40`000 shares, 11100 satoshi per share 595043;1396281952;mircea_popescu;awww sucks 595044;1396281975;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 595045;1396281999;BingoBoingo;http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2014/03/31/c_word_the_oxford_english_dictionary_adds_several_adjectival_forms_of_cunt.html 595046;1396282000;ozbot;C-word: The Oxford English Dictionary adds several adjectival forms of cunt, including cunted and cu 595047;1396282045;mircea_popescu;cunty ?! 595048;1396282097;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0464 = 0.1856 BTC [-] 595049;1396282158;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] [PAID] 5.00000000 BTC to 50`000 shares, 10000 satoshi per share 595050;1396282167;BingoBoingo;Well... 595051;1396282220;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10139 @ 0.000955 = 9.6827 BTC [+] 595052;1396282306;mircea_popescu;"cunt-bitten" ? like moonstricken ? 595053;1396282346;BingoBoingo;Well cunt is the new moon. ATC is headed to the Cunt. 595054;1396282351;ThickAsThieves;https://coinbase.com/apps/ 595055;1396282352;ozbot;Coinbase Apps 595056;1396282364;ThickAsThieves;they haz app store now 595057;1396282641;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves pretty sure that's not actually satoshi 595058;1396282709;ThickAsThieves;mp, question/advice-seeking: for someone wanting to take an "idea" and turn it into a respectable business plan, or at minimum, some sort of white paper spelling out all the pieces, what would be the best way to approach it? the default would be a stream of conciousness writing process to where you can work from what you make to categorize and sort it all, polishing it over and over 595059;1396282709;ThickAsThieves;through iteration, but surely you have insight on the matter. 595060;1396282768;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.0075 = 3.75 BTC [+] 595061;1396282790;ThickAsThieves;maybe you have a trilema link that applies? 595062;1396282829;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00095518 = 16.3336 BTC [+] {3} 595063;1396282834;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well no, a business plan is a commerce thing. you just need to fill in the specified spots. 595064;1396282853;kow;ThickAsThieves, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposal_(business) 595065;1396282865;ThickAsThieves;so working from a template is sufficient 595066;1396282870;mircea_popescu;you familiar with the apostolic five w's ? 595067;1396282877;ThickAsThieves;no 595068;1396282885;mircea_popescu;i thought you were in journalism ? 595069;1396282886;ThickAsThieves;who what when where how? 595070;1396282895;mircea_popescu;who what yes 595071;1396282912;mircea_popescu;some pope came up with the rule that all reports must be built on this structure 595072;1396282914;mircea_popescu;sometime in 600ad 595073;1396282922;ThickAsThieves;i was a layout guy at the paper, thrown into editing some cuz i was not so dumb 595074;1396282928;mircea_popescu;ah. 595075;1396282934;kow;high school newspaper 595076;1396282939;mircea_popescu;thinking may be an unstructured process, like say dreaming 595077;1396282944;ThickAsThieves;daily rag actually 595078;1396282966;mircea_popescu;or it can be a structured process. most industry and a good chunk of science, plus engineering (which includes good reporting and good police investigative work) is structured by this principle. 595079;1396283001;mircea_popescu;this isn't a template, but a structure 595080;1396283021;ThickAsThieves;ok 595081;1396283022;mircea_popescu;(the difference is the same as between the rules of static forces on one hand and the facade of a house on the other) 595082;1396283068;mircea_popescu;(and before anyone lays into me, i'm not really claiming dreaming is unstructured, lay off) 595083;1396283075;ThickAsThieves;lol 595084;1396283106;ThickAsThieves;that wiki link wasnt quite applicable 595085;1396283110;chetty;ThickAsThieves, helps a lot if you have person to bounce ideas around with 595086;1396283133;ThickAsThieves;what i'm truly setting out to do, is determine whether two of my ideas can really work 595087;1396283135;mircea_popescu;indeed. and what the bouncer usually has to say is "sucks because what, or sucks because how" etc 595088;1396283177;ThickAsThieves;one idea would be much easier to map out, the other less so, but i feel the process would force true determination 595089;1396283178;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves well you'll never know if an idea can or can not *really* work. you should aim to get them / see if they can be gotten to the point where qualified people want to find out if they can work. 595090;1396283204;ThickAsThieves;i want to convince myself of such 595091;1396283205;mircea_popescu;no business plan is a proposition of becoming rich. 595092;1396283209;ThickAsThieves;before trying to convince others 595093;1396283220;ThickAsThieves;not even about being rich necessarily 595094;1396283228;mircea_popescu;all business plans are a delineation of something which may or may not be worth finding out if it woirks. 595095;1396283240;ThickAsThieves;ok 595096;1396283240;mircea_popescu;they're no different from grants, really. 595097;1396283253;ThickAsThieves;maybe i should enlist my wife then 595098;1396283259;ThickAsThieves;she gets grants all the time 595099;1396283267;mircea_popescu;she can't hurt anything 595100;1396283272;ThickAsThieves;well... 595101;1396283276;mircea_popescu;maybe she'll even end up taking you seriously 595102;1396283281;mircea_popescu;once she actually groks wtf it is. 595103;1396283291;ThickAsThieves;that is quite possible 595104;1396283369;ThickAsThieves;just got an email that RENT SPO is on 595105;1396283453;ThickAsThieves;they did indeed conduct it as i guessed 595106;1396283477;ThickAsThieves;halted the normal market, and opened the Buy IPO page to only buy new shares 595107;1396283500;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.015945 = 0.1276 BTC [+] 595108;1396283539;dexX7;https://blockchain.info/address/1N2f642sbgCMbNtXFajz9XDACDFnFzdXzV "Final Balance -221.60279421 BTC" >_> 595109;1396283541;ozbot;Bitcoin Address 1N2f642sbgCMbNtXFajz9XDACDFnFzdXzV 595110;1396283571;Mats_cd03;ThickAsThieves: RS second round? 595111;1396283627;ThickAsThieves;what's that dexx7? 595112;1396283637;ThickAsThieves;Mats, 3rd or 4th round by my count 595113;1396283653;dexX7;bc.i seems to be broken again.. a wallet with negative balance 595114;1396283686;ThickAsThieves;ah 595115;1396283738;ThickAsThieves;are you sure it's not just a dumb display method? 595116;1396283752;ThickAsThieves;like there are doublespends unconfirmed and affecting total 595117;1396283756;ThickAsThieves;or the like 595118;1396283759;dexX7;i never saw something like this 595119;1396283775;ThickAsThieves;seems to be a hevaily used addy 595120;1396283781;dexX7;true 595121;1396283830;Apocalyptic;bc.i has been broken for some time 595122;1396283988;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12995 @ 0.0009553 = 12.4141 BTC [+] 595123;1396284049;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12807 @ 0.00095104 = 12.18 BTC [-] {2} 595124;1396284078;mircea_popescu;lol pretty lulzy. 595125;1396284089;mircea_popescu;just means the "total available" figure is broken really. 595126;1396284189;pLambert;anybody want to guess odds that NEOBEE produces a financial statement within the next week? 595127;1396284212;mircea_popescu;i don't see anything substantially wrong with your 1.4% 595128;1396284227;pLambert;heh, you saw that? 595129;1396284245;mircea_popescu;twas in tje digests 595130;1396284319;pLambert;At least I have my MPEx based investments to offset all the losses from other places :/ 595131;1396284360;mircea_popescu;lmao what have i become ;/ 595132;1396284388;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-224#post-5723119 595133;1396284390;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 224 | Bitcointa.lk 595134;1396284393;mircea_popescu;she's really sticking it to them isn't she 595135;1396284419;mircea_popescu;tho perhaps i should say him. that thread's basically reduced to one guy spazzing out and a bunch of people milking him for lulz. 595136;1396284424;pLambert;you better be careful or they are going to hire her out from under you ... or not 595137;1396284498;mircea_popescu;funny, they don't want to splurge 30 on a mpex reg, but they do want to spend 35 on the mpoe-pr. 595138;1396284518;mircea_popescu;which, from all the reviews i've read so far, is really very bad and useless pr doing me a huge disservice. 595139;1396284527;pLambert;I think they only offered 3, she said she wouldn't do it for 35 595140;1396284543;benkay;!t h rent 595141;1396284551;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00666000 / 0.00729929 / 0.00750000 (861 shares, 6.28468898 BTC), 7D: 0.00525030 / 0.00635969 / 0.00750000 (5354 shares, 34.04980275 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00566124 / 0.00900001 (46815 shares, 265.03101440 BTC) 595142;1396284554;mircea_popescu;https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-224#post-5723297 595143;1396284556;ozbot;[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 224 | Bitcointa.lk 595144;1396284566;mircea_popescu;looks like there were two people or something. 595145;1396284598;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00094936 = 3.7974 BTC [-] 595146;1396284760;mircea_popescu;jurov pankkake https://bitcointa.lk/threads/your-shares-on-bitcoin-bourse.290560/#post-5723899 595147;1396284860;ThickAsThieves;the forum has become beyond useless 595148;1396284899;novusordo;the only thing I use the forum for nowadays is following updates from friedcat and the trezor fellows 595149;1396284909;novusordo;and even then I just have automatic alerts to let me know when they post stuff 595150;1396284911;mircea_popescu;i use it as a sort of daytime sitcom 595151;1396284934;ThickAsThieves;i cant gather that kind of joy from it 595152;1396284973;pankkake;well yes it's the "martin" jurov talked about 595153;1396285040;mircea_popescu;aha 595154;1396285051;mircea_popescu;the unpaid invoices part seemed novel. 595155;1396285085;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves and why not ? 595156;1396285102;benkay;"Modern media exacerbate the challenge of sorting reality from orchestrated perception." http://www.farnamstreetblog.com/2014/03/stanley-mcchrystal-my-share-of-the-task/ 595157;1396285109;ThickAsThieves;for the same reason i cant enjoy Rush Limbaugh i think 595158;1396285142;mircea_popescu;which one is that 595159;1396285160;ThickAsThieves;the pill-popping conservative radio sensatinalist 595160;1396285186;ThickAsThieves;it's just embarassing i the thougth of people taking it seriously compounds that 595161;1396285227;mircea_popescu;" Limbaugh is among the highest paid people in U.S. media, signing a contract in 2008 for $400 million through 2016.[" 595162;1396285267;ThickAsThieves;yeah the liberals listen to gawk, the idiots listen to fistpump 595163;1396285274;asciilifeform;wait, the american zhirinovsky ?! 595164;1396285275;[KS];novusordo: https://twitter.com/FriedcatSays 595165;1396285279;mircea_popescu;lol he actually fistpumps ? 595166;1396285284;ThickAsThieves;no 595167;1396285298;ThickAsThieves;i just mean they want their ignorance validated 595168;1396285300;asciilifeform;(or would that be glenn beck) 595169;1396285301;ThickAsThieves;and nourished 595170;1396285309;ThickAsThieves;yeah glenn beck is worse probly 595171;1396285362;ThickAsThieves;when i read the forums i cant help but think some % is accepting these people as reality 595172;1396285366;mircea_popescu;does he say anything specific other than obama is bad and the country is going to shit ? 595173;1396285401;ThickAsThieves;whatever gets the pickup-driving racists to feel good (and buy gold), he says 595174;1396285403;jurov;that's lulzy, martin/forensick uses bitcoin burza avatar too 595175;1396285407;mircea_popescu;both of these being fairly uncontroversial and apparently the entire bag of tricks of us conservative pundits 595176;1396285468;ThickAsThieves;trolling itself is something ive never quite been able to fully digest 595177;1396285481;mircea_popescu;you're probably too old. 595178;1396285502;ThickAsThieves;i also dislike april fool's day fwiw 595179;1396285508;ThickAsThieves;get off my lawn! 595180;1396285511;mircea_popescu;lol 595181;1396285538;mircea_popescu;i don't recall the last time someone gathered the guts to try and play a trick on me, 595182;1396285543;mircea_popescu;but i do recall what i did to them. 595183;1396285553;MisterE;http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-03-31/edison-invoked-in-rare-u-dot-s-dot-high-court-look-at-software-patents 595184;1396285553;ozbot;Edison Echoed as U.S. Court Looks at Software Patents - Businessweek 595185;1396285574;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10680 @ 0.00095381 = 10.1867 BTC [+] {2} 595186;1396285594;ThickAsThieves;u dot s dot? 595187;1396285595;ThickAsThieves;lol 595188;1396285635;mircea_popescu;"Software makers led by Microsoft Corp. (MSFT:US) say overly strict limits would reduce incentives to develop cutting-edge programs that detect when a car airbag should deploy or let people alter photographs." 595189;1396285642;mircea_popescu;ahahaha so much lol packed in one sentence 595190;1396285671;ThickAsThieves;ack it hurts 595191;1396285692;ThickAsThieves;who let the people photochop!? 595192;1396285707;ThickAsThieves;let my peepho go! 595193;1396285733;ThickAsThieves;meanwhile MS is the definition of photo-editing jokes 595194;1396285736;ThickAsThieves;MS Paint 595195;1396285747;mircea_popescu;i tell you, really good sentence. 595196;1396285777;ThickAsThieves;parody v reality aint looking so good for reality 595197;1396285806;mircea_popescu;Switch just two people the battalion commander and command sergeant majorfrom the best battalion with those of the worst, and within ninety days the relative effectiveness of the battalions will have switched as well, Id say. I still believe I was correct. 595198;1396285812;novusordo;[KS]: i've seen that, I have my own script I wrote before that came around that sends me a text message when he posts 595199;1396285818;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0075 = 0.225 BTC [+] 595200;1396285826;novusordo;it's nice because i can just use it for any forum member 595201;1396285836;asciilifeform;'f Edison were alive today, he would be writing his inventions in software.' << multilayer trololol 595202;1396285869;mircea_popescu;if elvis were alive today, his name'd be fiona and he'd be doing my laundry. 595203;1396285920;novusordo;are there any good historical sources of mpex data besides @MPEX1 on twitter? i'm not finding much for historical volume 595204;1396285929;ThickAsThieves;as long as he'll still sing at weddings! 595205;1396285960;ThickAsThieves;novusordo, i think coinflow.co still works 595206;1396285973;mircea_popescu;also this chan, and iirc kakobrekla was selling the whole history db 595207;1396285975;asciilifeform;afaik the man invented exactly two things - phonograph and... patent trolling 595208;1396285985;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform indeed. 595209;1396285998;mircea_popescu;so he'd be writing his inventions... in flash. 595210;1396286000;novusordo;ThickAsThieves: it seems to stop for most assets in october of 2013 for me... not sure why 595211;1396286039;asciilifeform;although... 595212;1396286043;asciilifeform;;;google paleophone 595213;1396286044;gribble;Charles Cros - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Cros>; Paleophone: <http://paleophone.net/>; Charles Cros: <http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Charles_Cros.html> 595214;1396286059;novusordo;i'm looking for historical data that I can crunch 595215;1396286063;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.06068899 = 2.1848 BTC [-] {8} 595216;1396286071;ThickAsThieves;buy it from kako 595217;1396286185;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0561 = 0.1122 BTC [-] 595218;1396286367;novusordo;oh, the socket seems to have what i'm looking for 595219;1396286370;novusordo;didn't see it before 595220;1396286376;novusordo;herp 595221;1396286394;mircea_popescu;probably more adequate for high volume processing too. 595222;1396286410;jurov;novusordo, because live.coinbr started in october 2013. afaik socked uses there data, too 595223;1396286426;jurov;*these historical data 595224;1396286428;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] 595225;1396286438;jurov;for surrent data, it hace dedicated mpex interface 595226;1396286472;jurov;amazing no one collected them before 595227;1396286472;assbot;AMAZING COMPANY! 595228;1396286848;asciilifeform;from the loltron: 595229;1396286850;asciilifeform;http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-03-28/as-cash-use-drops-do-crime-rates-follow#r=read 595230;1396286850;ozbot;As Cash Use Drops, Do Crime Rates Follow? - Businessweek 595231;1396286926;mircea_popescu;on pravda today : "Does socialism increase the welfare of the worker ?" 595232;1396286958;asciilifeform;;;google the cause and cure of earthquakes 595233;1396286959;gribble;The Cause and Cure of Earthquakes - General Board of Global ...: <http://new.gbgm-umc.org/umhistory/wesley/sermons/129/>; Charles Wesley on 'The cause and cure of earthquakes ...: <http://methodistthinker.com/2011/03/14/charles-wesley-cause-and-cure-of-earthquakes/>; Charles Wesley, "The Cause and Cure of Earthquakes" 1750: (1 more message) 595234;1396287526;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.0001201 = 2.402 BTC [-] {12} 595235;1396287527;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 26 @ 0.0075 = 0.195 BTC [+] 595236;1396287649;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00095237 = 9.1428 BTC [-] 595237;1396288251;thestringpuller;;;google site:trilema.com mpoe march 2014 595238;1396288252;gribble;MPOE, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/>; MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-january-2014-statement/>; MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/mpex/> 595239;1396288259;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0075 = 0.15 BTC [+] 595240;1396288292;ThickAsThieves;http://blog.shubh.am/full-disclosure-coinbase-security/ 595241;1396288302;ThickAsThieves;"Within 30 minutes, I was able to gather 400 unique email addresses, distinctively associated with Bitcoins" 595242;1396288305;ThickAsThieves;http://i.imgur.com/ik2M9Zw.png 595243;1396288381;mircea_popescu;lol 595244;1396288402;mircea_popescu;excellent opportunity for coinbase to display some pr. 595245;1396288411;ThickAsThieves;"Cuomo Gives Tesla (TSLA) A New York Direct-Sell Pass" 595246;1396288433;novusordo;i'm having a hard time understanding what 'username' and 'pass' I'm supposed to supply the mpex socket with... 595247;1396288485;ThickAsThieves;the one you purchased 595248;1396288589;novusordo;oh, that's what you meant by "buy it from kako" i assume 595249;1396288605;ThickAsThieves;yessir 595250;1396288622;ThickAsThieves;you contact him, pay, then he creates access account 595251;1396288626;ThickAsThieves;afaik 595252;1396288631;ThickAsThieves;"New regulation requires all cars to have rear-view cameras by 2018" 595253;1396288653;ThickAsThieves;When will eyes be required on the back of my head to walk? 595254;1396288660;asciilifeform;'new regulation requires all cars to have arseview cameras by 2028' 595255;1396288664;kanzure;backwards google glass 595256;1396288696;novusordo;surely that means all NEW cars, right? 595257;1396288706;kanzure;someone should run one of the mtgox email address dumps through that coinbase api endpoint 595258;1396288735;mircea_popescu;kanzure generally s/someone/i/ 595259;1396288743;kanzure;yeah i should do it 595260;1396288764;mircea_popescu;a generally available index of "idiots involved in Bitcoin" is a good thing. 595261;1396288768;kanzure;i'm sure it's going to be the same users 595262;1396288770;kanzure;yes 595263;1396288775;mircea_popescu;it'd hurt the idiots, but their pain and suffering is required to build greatness. 595264;1396288788;kanzure;it wont hurt them any more than they've already hurt themselves 595265;1396288802;mircea_popescu;exactly. 595266;1396288807;kanzure;remember, they intentionally signed up to coinbase 595267;1396288809;kanzure;and even mtgox 595268;1396288821;mircea_popescu;but it's not ok to let them suffer in silence and privacy., 595269;1396288835;mircea_popescu;they must be displayed for the general public, so the general public may learn that idiocy has consequences. 595270;1396288840;mircea_popescu;*painful* consequences. 595271;1396288851;kanzure;i dunno about that. that's more thought than i'm willing to put into it. 595272;1396288861;mircea_popescu;there's also that. 595273;1396288873;asciilifeform;what'd be the punishment here? more load for their spam filters? 595274;1396288884;mircea_popescu;public ridicule 595275;1396288886;kanzure;being phished for the rest of eternity 595276;1396288895;mircea_popescu;"you claim to be a human being, but you are actually subhuman, because look :" 595277;1396288915;kanzure;basically everyone in that 2011 mtgox dump is target for phishing 595278;1396288926;kanzure;and if they signed up to coinbase, it's doubly so 595279;1396288944;mircea_popescu;kanzure how exactly did you form this opinion on coinbase ? 595280;1396288946;asciilifeform;phish neither picks your pockets nor breaks yer bones, unless one is stupid 595281;1396288951;kanzure;mircea_popescu: huh? 595282;1396288958;mircea_popescu;"and if they signed up to coinbase, it's doubly so" 595283;1396288971;kanzure;mircea_popescu: i mean they are a target for phishing if they also signed up for coinbase 595284;1396288986;mircea_popescu;a a 595285;1396288991;asciilifeform;for what it's worth, i had (empty) accounts on both. 595286;1396288992;kanzure;mircea_popescu: because they have trouble discriminating between good bitcoin ideas and poor bitcoin ideas ("hand over bitcoins to a third-party") 595287;1396288994;*;asciilifeform oils spam filter 595288;1396289004;kanzure;asciilifeform: that's worth at least something.. 595289;1396289033;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, i had accounts on neither, but that doesn't prevent people from trying to phish and etc 595290;1396289045;kanzure;oh have you gotten phishing emails targeted to you? 595291;1396289048;kanzure;that's curious 595292;1396289052;mircea_popescu;i think there must exist somewhere people doing email spiderin by hgand 595293;1396289091;Mats_cd03;attacking a form without a rate limit... how has coinbase gone this long with this problem? 595294;1396289094;mircea_popescu;kanzure i was just writing about one as ThickAsThieves posted that link 595295;1396289105;ThickAsThieves;probly multi-part teams, with one guy assigned to high-value targets 595296;1396289108;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 cuz nobody srsly cares about em ? 595297;1396289111;ThickAsThieves;he's the one working by hand 595298;1396289170;asciilifeform;to all spammers: the folks still using btc-related-whatevers on winblows are in dire need of your loving personal attention. 595299;1396289180;Mats_cd03;the next thing that poster is going to say in a week is, the password reset form doesnt have a rate limit either and oops, a quarter of the accounts have been looted cause an attacker bruteforced the idiots 595300;1396289233;kanzure;well they have rate limits on amount of bitcoin they can send at a time on coinbase because of how they claim their cold storage system works 595301;1396289237;Mats_cd03;yc needs better security experts on their staff 595302;1396289243;kanzure;so at minimum they have to pretend they have limits in order to not reveal that their cold storage sytsem isn't cold 595303;1396289286;ThickAsThieves;but jesus antonopoulis says it's sufficiently chilly 595304;1396289294;ThickAsThieves;or was that blockchain? 595305;1396289539;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00094986 = 16.8125 BTC [-] {3} 595306;1396289600;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11541 @ 0.00094925 = 10.9553 BTC [-] {2} 595307;1396289667;nanotube;benkay: the implication would be that output would be sorted by volume? :) 595308;1396289722;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.0075 = 0.165 BTC [+] {2} 595309;1396290454;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 5080 @ 0.0075 = 38.1 BTC [+] 595310;1396290509;Mats_cd03;http://nationalinterest.org/print/commentary/are-aircraft-carriers-the-new-west-berlin-10128 595311;1396290510;ozbot;Are Aircraft Carriers the New West Berlin? 595312;1396290554;Mats_cd03;interesting idea, there, about playing chicken with national security 595313;1396290638;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00094833 = 9.1514 BTC [-] 595314;1396290759;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29650 @ 0.00094833 = 28.118 BTC [-] 595315;1396290834;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/spam-and-malware-lets-be-cool-together/ 595316;1396290835;ozbot;Spam and malware, let’s be cool together. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. 595317;1396291019;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'he either buys a beer for whatever famished kid working in whatever poor quality website design shop to obtain credentials, or perhaps just simply is the famished kid in question' << sadder than that. the creds typically come from an idiot inside a given shop who bit a trojan hook himself. 595318;1396291034;mircea_popescu;also possible, yes. 595319;1396291066;mircea_popescu;in this case, i doubt the people working at the ro firm actually have access to the server tho 595320;1396291069;asciilifeform;spam behaves just like other 'multilevel' crapola, in that the objective is typically... to find more places to send spam from. 595321;1396291072;mircea_popescu;for reasons of sheer ineptitude 595322;1396291090;mircea_popescu;ie, managing excel is a demanding intellectual task. 595323;1396291120;asciilifeform;all one needs is to pwn one machine from which someone at least occasionally logs on to the box 595324;1396291130;mircea_popescu;but that's what im saying 595325;1396291134;mircea_popescu;the box was never logged into, ever. 595326;1396291138;mircea_popescu;look at that website. 595327;1396291183;nubbins`;i don't want my airbag to have the power to decide whether i'm allowed to alter photographs :( 595328;1396291185;mircea_popescu;it was made sometime in 200x, never to be touched again 595329;1396291197;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'For Science' (tm) post the sha of payload 595330;1396291207;mircea_popescu;nubbins` it's worse than that. the lolcats have the power to decide if your airbang opens 595331;1396291218;mircea_popescu;i can forward you the entire thing if you're curious 595332;1396291223;asciilifeform;lolcats decide if your... throttle opens. 595333;1396291239;asciilifeform;dollars to doughbuts, sha will suffice. 595334;1396291248;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00094833 = 7.8237 BTC [-] 595335;1396291252;mircea_popescu;heck, let me send you a list of this shit :D 595336;1396291292;Mats_cd03;i'll take a copy of the zip if you'd upload it 595337;1396291312;nubbins`;new regulation requires all cars to have under-the-nuts-view cameras by 2015 595338;1396291356;mircea_popescu;you can have a fwd, pm an email. 595339;1396291796;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 291 @ 0.0075 = 2.1825 BTC [+] 595340;1396292131;ThickAsThieves;http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21ud3m/looks_like_darkwallet_was_a_scam_xpost_thehub/ 595341;1396292131;ozbot;Looks like Darkwallet was a scam [x-post TheHub] : Bitcoin 595342;1396292139;the20year2;lies 595343;1396292143;mircea_popescu;lol 595344;1396292162;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53650 @ 0.00094826 = 50.8741 BTC [-] {3} 595345;1396292232;pankkake;http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/report-rsa-endowed-crypto-product-with-second-nsa-influenced-code/ 595346;1396292232;ozbot;Report: RSA endowed crypto product with second NSA-influenced code | Ars Technica 595347;1396292302;asciilifeform;pankkake: seems like just more crap re: EC_DRBG 595348;1396292467;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] 595349;1396292472;benkay;ThickAsThieves: software is hard. whocouldanode. 595350;1396292510;asciilifeform;benkay: software isn't hard. let's not go shopping. 595351;1396292510;benkay;man this is what i have to say to people who crowdfund software: http://iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/johnny-cash-finger-2.jpg?w=700 595352;1396292535;benkay;sure, it's never the actual software. 595353;1396292558;benkay;it's the estimation, constraints, fractal nature of coastline, overreaching ambitions, unmanaged expectations... 595354;1396292599;asciilifeform;...and folks who don't even bother, and scamplan from beginning. 595355;1396292621;benkay;i want to ship a shitload of features! it's going to cost 500B. 595356;1396292638;asciilifeform;'i promise to ship a shitload of xxxx. send me xxxB.' 595357;1396292682;benkay;another thing is, as i said to my colleague recently re a contractor: "ain't nobody motivated by money in the bank." 595358;1396292711;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00095001 = 21.5652 BTC [+] {2} 595359;1396292735;mircea_popescu;now that's definitely a thing. 595360;1396292746;mircea_popescu;"There is an empirical problem with the debate over United States military strategy towards China: aircraft carriers are dead, but they can still be seen patrolling the Western Pacific." 595361;1396292755;benkay;this is very similar to the constant ongoing mining fiasco and how product tends to get delivered (in my extremely limited experience): "you ship a thing. it shows up on my door. if it works, 30 days later i send you a check. otherwise, get out of my face." 595362;1396292766;mircea_popescu;well obviously. the us can't quite afford to abandon the notion 595363;1396292780;mircea_popescu;benkay sounds a lot like a mp quote :D 595364;1396292780;benkay;this in fact is how we run our shop. we sit down, figure out what crazy ideas you have, how to make them into an actual thing, and then work on it at a predetermined rate for a period of time. 595365;1396292782;benkay;then we bill you. 595366;1396292791;benkay;"great artists steal" 595367;1396292812;benkay;fifteen days after the postmark date, we expect to see remuneration. 595368;1396292826;benkay;that's essentially net 45. think of the float you could be making on our backs! 595369;1396292842;mircea_popescu;lol myeah. 595370;1396292859;joecool;that's basically groupon's business model 595371;1396292892;joecool;except they don't do anything but hold the money for awhile and gamble before paying the merchants 595372;1396293005;mircea_popescu;more complicated than that. the groupon business model was basically to try and create a scale advantage on both ends. 595373;1396293028;mircea_popescu;specifically : supermarkets exist to scam consumers, because the supermarket is large, so it can tell any small farmer to stfu and get lost 595374;1396293039;mircea_popescu;and it can similarly tell any town dweller to stfu and starve. 595375;1396293050;mircea_popescu;this allows them to buy everything very cheap and sell it as expensive as they want. 595376;1396293058;mircea_popescu;this is sam walton's business idea, really. 595377;1396293072;the20year2;The reason they exist is because the consumers demanded year-round goods 595378;1396293077;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40100 @ 0.00095196 = 38.1736 BTC [+] {5} 595379;1396293077;mircea_popescu;many lines aren't amenable to the supermarket model, but groupon tried to bring them into the same economics. 595380;1396293115;mircea_popescu;had it succeeded to make it so "all the buyers are on groupon", it's model of "give us everything for free" would have worked on the merchants. 595381;1396293118;mircea_popescu;and vice-versa, of course. 595382;1396293167;joecool;it still works for some merchants that don't have access to their own in-house mailing list 595383;1396293177;joecool;to gain exposure, it's just not as big as hoped for 595384;1396293187;mircea_popescu;the20year2 moreover, that's phase 2 material. obviously the supermarket can train the clueless consumer in a number of ways to build a moat around itself. 595385;1396293204;mircea_popescu;but this recent "can't eat an apple with a spot" neurosis is not naturally occuring in human populations. 595386;1396293250;the20year2;Certainly is if the population is to continue to grow, if you continue on with less efficient methods of food delivery people starve 595387;1396293255;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, independent romanian farmers sell 5% milk for 0.5 lei, and 1.5% milk is on sale in the supermarkets for... 6 lei. 595388;1396293271;mircea_popescu;that's a 95% margin for the supermarket. 595389;1396293291;the20year2;Median supermarket margins in the US are 15% 595390;1396293308;mircea_popescu;the20year2 that data is corrupted, and milk is a fine example. 595391;1396293337;mircea_popescu;try and make a farm selling milk at cost +15% in say california. 595392;1396293360;mircea_popescu;(they recently had a case about how illegal all this is) 595393;1396293503;jurov;oh, we have better rackets 595394;1396293504;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.06401564 = 0.5761 BTC [-] 595395;1396293525;jurov;billa moves unsold produce from austria here 595396;1396293535;jurov;and sells it here for higher price 595397;1396293574;jurov;every time i'm shopping in austria i must fight rage, everything is really fresher 595398;1396293579;mircea_popescu;lol 595399;1396293664;mircea_popescu;i don't think i've ever bouight supermarket-anything 595400;1396293677;mircea_popescu;but it's fucking ridiculous that i have to maintain a private supply network in fucking 2014 595401;1396293684;mircea_popescu;you'd think it's 1984 all over again or some shit. 595402;1396293743;benkay;or 1300 595403;1396293754;benkay;your castle needs a supply chain 595404;1396293758;benkay;what's so novel about that? 595405;1396293764;benkay;the rest of us grub in the dirt for spuds. 595406;1396293769;benkay;doesn't sound so novel. 595407;1396293830;mircea_popescu;yes well for crying out loud. 595408;1396293931;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 8000 @ 0.0075 = 60 BTC [+] 595409;1396293952;jurov;fortunately, farmers sell over internet now 595410;1396294038;benkay;vegetables in the mail for bitcoin 595411;1396294048;benkay;also stop spraying veggies with water 595412;1396294051;benkay;fucking stupid. 595413;1396294053;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 14 @ 0.0075 = 0.105 BTC [+] 595414;1396294054;benkay;"fresh!" 595415;1396294114;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04600136 = 0.138 BTC [-] {2} 595416;1396294115;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.056 = 0.168 BTC [+] {2} 595417;1396294116;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-] {2} 595418;1396294175;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.046 = 0.184 BTC [-] 595419;1396294176;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.056 = 0.224 BTC [+] 595420;1396294619;mircea_popescu;http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/sequestration-will-hollow-our-military-8776 595421;1396294620;ozbot;Sequestration Will Hollow Our Military 595422;1396294697;mircea_popescu;"On alert, this tattered, morally compromised army was to clear post in under an hour, move to its defensive positions on the West German border with the Warsaw Pact, fight outnumbered five to one and win. Such odds were daunting." 595423;1396294785;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-] 595424;1396294807;the20year2;your point? 595425;1396294846;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.59083335 = 3.545 BTC [-] {4} 595426;1396294882;mircea_popescu;that the us army at no point past ww2 had a standing chance in europe. 595427;1396294901;the20year2;Very much correct, it was always assumed to go nuclear within 24hrs of the outbreak of conflict 595428;1396294948;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's what the planning mostly planned for. 595429;1396294979;mircea_popescu;anyway, just some retired something or the other harping about how expensive and hard it is. 595430;1396294995;the20year2;to secure europe from the evil russian bear? 595431;1396295009;benkay;blackwater will eventually own texas, much like the roman mercs ate the empire. 595432;1396295020;thestringpuller;no march MPOE statement? 595433;1396295020;pLambert;"In 1974, one could easily find company-sized organizations in U.S. Army Europe" wth does the US have so many troops in Europe? 595434;1396295042;the20year2;To prevent steamrolling of western europe from Wpac 595435;1396295049;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller since the option thing is ended ima report it end of month line normal assets. 595436;1396295055;jurov;thestringpuller MPOE is suspended 595437;1396295058;benkay;no options, no statement, thestringpuller. who cares, anyways? it's a scam under investigation by the SEC. doomed, I tell you (to enjoy the new scion TC!) 595438;1396295064;mircea_popescu;pLambert i suspect it was part of the marshall plan 595439;1396295090;pLambert;and a corrolary: why do we STILL have so many troops in Europe? 595440;1396295099;mircea_popescu;because yougotta pay to play. 595441;1396295129;mircea_popescu;if some guy in my neighbourhood decided to go around telling everyone he's the bestest there is, i'd also expect him to send a nubile young woman around for purposes with some frequency. 595442;1396295164;the20year2;benkay: what stock? 595443;1396295171;Mats_cd03;funny enough, some countries wont admit to liking having american troops on their soil 595444;1396295178;mircea_popescu;course not. 595445;1396295186;Mats_cd03;but they like having american money flowing into local economies 595446;1396295194;Mats_cd03;laugh 595447;1396295197;the20year2;arms exports/imports is a nice money maker 595448;1396295236;benkay;keybase blowback ramping up: http://blog.lizdenys.com/2014/03/31/refusing-to-verify-myself/ 595449;1396295259;benkay;the20year2: logs, man. gotta read 'em. sometimes just like 20 lines back. 595450;1396295276;pLambert;this guy bitching about "sequestration", has the US defense budget actually gone down at all? I thought we were still spending more every year? 595451;1396295299;mircea_popescu;pLambert nop but he has a point. it went down very little overall but it cut very badly. 595452;1396295308;the20year2;guess i'm just not seeing it 595453;1396295324;the20year2;pLambert: yes, it's set to diminish by a decent amount due to iraq, afghanistan and drawdowns 595454;1396295343;benkay;in inflationary regime, static budgets are cuts, pLambert 595455;1396295351;the20year2;Granted, in my personal opinion (As controversial as it is), it's like every other government program, cutting things that are important, expanding things that buy votes 595456;1396295360;pLambert;And he thinks we should spend just as much, even though we are not actually fighting anybody? 595457;1396295387;the20year2;The budget is 600-650b, and they want to decrease it to around 500b 595458;1396295397;mircea_popescu;benkay wait, that's not your girl, is it ? 595459;1396295397;pLambert;grr, politics makes me angry 595460;1396295405;the20year2;By reducing manpower, officer corps, cutting basic programs, ect 595461;1396295444;mircea_popescu;pLambert his intuition is correct, in that the us has no economy, and no technical ability. cutting the army is like cutting its own throat. 595462;1396295445;benkay;mircea_popescu: naw man i like 'em effeminate and making dinner not deep in the server room. 595463;1396295454;the20year2;Which I have a problem with, when programs like LCS and the F35 are front and center taking up significant sums of money for low results 595464;1396295456;bounce;re minimum crime, how does upping the crime rate increase the incentive not to go into crime? 595465;1396295495;mircea_popescu;bounce take whores. if there's a whore on every corner and prices are low, is your pretty daughter more likely or less likely to start cutting class for to taking it up the tail ? 595466;1396295501;pLambert;is F35 the one which was designed to fight against russians and has never been used? 595467;1396295506;mircea_popescu;yeah. 595468;1396295524;mircea_popescu;and by the latest reports couldn't fight against the russians even if it wanted to. 595469;1396295527;the20year2;The airplane that does nothing more than the plane we built in the early 90s for $200m/unit 595470;1396295556;bounce;dunno. "everyone's doing it, it's fun!" appears to be a powerful motivator. 595471;1396295574;mircea_popescu;but that's not the real edge. the guy selling it to her is more likely to not bother, is the real edge. 595472;1396295596;mircea_popescu;thinking the girl acts of her own volition is a little rich. 595473;1396295598;Mats_cd03;i rather appreciate whats being done with the f35 personally 595474;1396295607;mircea_popescu;Mats_cd03 how's that go ? 595475;1396295610;the20year2;compared to the f22/yf23? 595476;1396295627;mircea_popescu;benkay so maybe tell her about this marvelous wot thing we got ? liz i mean. 595477;1396295629;Mats_cd03;maybe in 30 years we'll be fielding Transformers models of Starscream 595478;1396295646;Mats_cd03;(yes i know starscream is an f-15) 595479;1396295647;bounce;whether it's her girlish friends pulling her in or a pimp looking for more meat to sell is a different mechanism but with the same effect; question then is which'll be stronger 595480;1396295658;jurov;i heard funny hypothesis that f35 is chinese inside job to bleed usg dry 595481;1396295673;Mats_cd03;well no i think the project is cool and i dont have a lot of problems with pouring R&D money into potentially useful technology 595482;1396295682;the20year2;corrupt politicians vying for money to their districts makes alot more sense 595483;1396295685;bounce;likewise, getting robbed often enough is a strong incentive to no longer run a shop (or at least not here, or maybe not a jeweller but a gunsmith, who knows) 595484;1396295693;Mats_cd03;even if its basically a laundry list of cool shit we want our super plane to have 595485;1396295695;the20year2;I'm curious what signfiicant tech the f35 produces that the f22/f35 didn't have 595486;1396295699;mircea_popescu;bounce and wide availability and a commodified market reduces the pull. 595487;1396295723;Mats_cd03;well, vtol for one 595488;1396295732;mircea_popescu;a vtol fighter jet ? srsly ? 595489;1396295749;Mats_cd03;or for that matter, svtol 595490;1396295751;mircea_popescu;why not make it submersible ? 595491;1396295756;bounce;it'll be inferior to the harrier, like as not. 595492;1396295759;Mats_cd03;that'd be awesome, we should do that next 595493;1396295761;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04683348 = 0.1405 BTC [+] {3} 595494;1396295762;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05635341 = 0.1127 BTC [+] {2} 595495;1396295767;bounce;thunderbirds are go! 595496;1396295769;mircea_popescu;how about also making it cockshaped ? 595497;1396295772;Mats_cd03;balla balla 595498;1396295778;mircea_popescu;a submersible flying penis with missiles. 595499;1396295800;jurov;it should be able to to burrow, too 595500;1396295827;mircea_popescu;i would imagine that's how it lands. 595501;1396295854;bounce;yeah no, I don't think it's straight up incentive, or at least not as strong as implied as there's strong pull the other way too. eg gangs don't extinguish themselves 595502;1396295860;Mats_cd03;anyway, not all the f-35 series planes are the same 595503;1396295881;Mats_cd03;e.g. one (two?) isnt a fighter jet 595504;1396295903;bounce;f35 is a brilliant scam, actually. getting permission to deliver production planes when the prototype hasn't had its maiden flight 595505;1396295903;Mats_cd03;f-35 is useful for air to surface, whereas f-22 is designed for air to air 595506;1396295915;Mats_cd03;it has had its maiden flight... a long time ago 595507;1396295934;mircea_popescu;bounce it's a balance point. the whole idea is that stable situations are stable, and derivation from that mean is unstable. 595508;1396295944;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05670783 = 0.1134 BTC [+] 595509;1396295946;mircea_popescu;nothing much harder than that. 595510;1396295996;Mats_cd03;http://www.military.com/video/aircraft/jet-fighters/first-f-35b-vertical-takeoff-test/2397060192001/ VTOL 595511;1396295998;ozbot;First F-35B Vertical Takeoff Test | Military.com 595512;1396296016;bounce;oh I get the point that there'll be some equilibrium or other (pterry's vetinary letting the crime guild regulate the crime) but I don't think the equation is that simple 595513;1396296028;bounce;s/ary/ari/ 595514;1396296039;Mats_cd03;is so majestic *tear 595515;1396296066;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0568957 = 0.1138 BTC [+] {2} 595516;1396296073;mircea_popescu;bounce inasmuch as it's not even an equation. 595517;1396296086;mircea_popescu;but in general, the crime guild does much better a job of regulating crime than any other guild. 595518;1396296099;mircea_popescu;the usual problem is that there's no capable criminals to make a guild in the first place, nothing else. 595519;1396296122;bounce;alright, an inequality, and there's an epsilon, but sheesh. 595520;1396296159;jurov;wait, the VTO is only for short distance move? 595521;1396296162;bounce;leadership isn't easy to come by, no. random democratic and/or republican countries haven't managed it in a long time for the usual positions either 595522;1396296185;mircea_popescu;right. 595523;1396296189;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.0009498 = 18.6161 BTC [-] {2} 595524;1396296189;asciilifeform;'keybase' is still alive!? 595525;1396296207;jurov;such fail. two heli blades would likely be lighter and more efficient 595526;1396296213;asciilifeform;what does it need to do, fly the 'full spectrum dominance' squid flag? 595527;1396296219;ThickAsThieves;MArck Cuban is a finance expert now? 595528;1396296223;ThickAsThieves;“The risk isn’t so much about the small investor,” Mr. Cuban said. “The risk is all these different high-frequency traders playing a game with their algorithms, trying to trick each other, to get in front of each other to make that trade. 595529;1396296223;ThickAsThieves;“And because we don’t know all the algorithms, because we don’t know the end factorial and all of the different ways they may interact, there are negative consequences that occur as a result. That introduces a market risk. That market risk has an unquantifiable cost. We saw it in one instance with the flash crash. We see it every day with little mini-flash crashes.” 595530;1396296229;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform liz is a naive chick. 595531;1396296230;Mats_cd03;jurov for some relative value of short, it doesnt go very far and i dont think you can carry much of a payload either 595532;1396296254;asciilifeform;http://b-i.forbesimg.com/kashmirhill/files/2013/12/octopus-rocket-copy.jpg 595533;1396296268;Mats_cd03;its certainly not as efficient as the chinook 595534;1396296284;bounce;if I'd wanted to be mean I'd point out that the space shuttle looked spiffy enough but didn't do a very good job of shuttling, n'mind at a suitably low price tag. not that hard to argue it set humanity's progress toward colonising space back a good score years or so. 595535;1396296298;Mats_cd03;(fastest fixed-wing craft in the army iirc due to two rotors) 595536;1396296343;bounce;the f35 is made of the same sort of undeliverium 595537;1396296361;mircea_popescu;bounce do argue. 595538;1396296367;asciilifeform;shitanium chassis, unobtainium semiconductors... 595539;1396296393;Mats_cd03;if murica didnt want politicians building airplanes, they shoudnt have elected politicians to build airplanes 595540;1396296395;bounce;where's that piece reporting on the incoming chief de mission that dug a bit and found fscktons of rot? 595541;1396296460;kakobrekla;<mircea_popescu> kakobrekla: the brick and mortar trick is still something new in btcland << hardly. mtgox had them, bitcoin foundation had them (before running of to the uk at any rate) < perhaps, but thats is not the reason people fell for them 595542;1396296471;mircea_popescu;true, true. 595543;1396296481;mircea_popescu;as a selling point it's perhaps innovative. surely beats ken slaughter's garage. 595544;1396296487;kakobrekla;yes 595545;1396296493;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17847 @ 0.00094786 = 16.9165 BTC [-] {2} 595546;1396296549;bounce;explains it better than I could. if reduced at absurdum it's inevitably too expensive to ever fly well, and it very much looks like lockheed martin deliberately aimed for that because a project that looks it'll succeed Real Soon Now but never really does is the ultimate goose with the golden eggs for the military industrial complex 595547;1396296687;mircea_popescu;bounce in the end this isn't such a very good argument. 595548;1396296871;kakobrekla;<ThickAsThieves> kako, it was me that suggested the wiki and categories, thx for making it < get to werk then! 595549;1396296911;mircea_popescu;Like the US garrison in West Berlin, aircraft carriers are relatively defenseless, but they have a separate function as a highly visible warning about US resolve. Today, a strategy of mobile tripwires is neither credible nor prudent, but it is worth studying because it may actually be implemented. 595550;1396296912;mircea_popescu;Specifically, our bargaining chip against Beijing is to make things uncomfortably apocalyptic. The point is less what the carrier can do and more what an attack on it promisesfull retaliation, and a war that may quickly get out of hand. As ASPI analyst Harry White observed last month [11], the idea is that anyone who attacks as valuable an asset as a US carrier should expect a significant response. Internation 595551;1396296912;mircea_popescu;ally, a successful strike would deeply wound American prestige, especially if it went unanswered. Domestically, the deaths of six thousand crewmembers would generate almost unbearable political pressures for revenge. Our entries into WWII and the Global War on Terror were sparked by less. 595552;1396296922;mircea_popescu;this is basically... cruisin' for a bruisin'. 595553;1396297227;asciilifeform;'It was he who invented 595554;1396297227;asciilifeform;_Leviathan_, America's first (and last) nuclear-powered land aircraft carrier. 595555;1396297227;asciilifeform;_Leviathan_ was the most successful commercial defense project ever; it ended 595556;1396297227;asciilifeform;up costing every man, woman and child in the United States over twenty grand. 595557;1396297227;asciilifeform;The idea of a land ship of that size may seem ridiculous now, but it was 595558;1396297227;asciilifeform;then the right project at the right time. Two big aircraft manufacturers were 595559;1396297229;asciilifeform;enthusiastic (carriers mean planes), so was a large nuclear ship-engine firm. 595560;1396297231;asciilifeform;The major ship-building and steel companies were behind it, as were several of 595561;1396297233;asciilifeform;the largest unions, then the senators and congressmen from every state where 595562;1396297235;asciilifeform;any subcontractors might fall. 595563;1396297237;asciilifeform;The _USS Leviathan_ would not be anything like an ordinary carrier. It 595564;1396297239;asciilifeform;would be a monster platform, some fifty miles across and equal in area to the 595565;1396297241;asciilifeform;state of Delaware. It would launch both missiles and planes of all types, and 595566;1396297243;asciilifeform;it would be capable of fast movement around the countryside. 595567;1396297245;asciilifeform;In the first design, _Leviathan_ was to run on wheels, thus promoting 595568;1396297249;asciilifeform;the interests of a large rubber company. But the number of tires required 595569;1396297251;asciilifeform;turned out to be 135 million, plus spares (a tire change would be needed every 595570;1396297253;asciilifeform;hundred yards). Unless a complete rubber factory were taken on board#one of 595571;1396297255;asciilifeform;the alternative suggestions#the entire ship would have to hover. Grumbling, 595572;1396297257;asciilifeform;the rubber company settled for a contract to provide the giant hovercraft 595573;1396297259;asciilifeform;skirt required. 595574;1396297261;asciilifeform;Both houses of Congress shoved through the necessary legislation. There 595575;1396297263;asciilifeform;were objections that _Leviathan_ would cost too much, would be a sitting duck, 595576;1396297265;asciilifeform;would devastate any land over which it happened to hover. But by now the Armywanted it as badly as any of the dozens of states, thousands of companies and 595577;1396297268;asciilifeform;millions of workers. The combined force of industrial, political, military and 595578;1396297270;asciilifeform;commercial arguments rolled the project over all opposition as one day 595579;1396297275;asciilifeform;_Leviathan_ itself would crush down anything in its path. One junior Senator 595580;1396297275;asciilifeform;who continued to oppose it was sent on a factfinding mission to Antarctica 595581;1396297277;asciilifeform;while the bill was railroaded through. 595582;1396297281;asciilifeform;From the start, there were problems called "teething troubles". The fans 595583;1396297283;asciilifeform;which were to lift the craft were at first too weak, then (redesigned) so 595584;1396297285;asciilifeform;powerful that they blew away the topsoil for miles around the craft, created 595585;1396297287;asciilifeform;dust storms and buried small towns in soildrifts. A computer company suggested 595586;1396297289;asciilifeform;expensive monitoring equipment to regulate each fan, but this never seemed to 595587;1396297291;asciilifeform;solve the topsoil problem. A chemical firm then went to work on a binding 595588;1396297293;asciilifeform;agent to hold the topsoil in place; _Leviathan_ would spray the stuff out 595589;1396297295;asciilifeform;before moving. After months of experimentation with expensive agents, they 595590;1396297297;asciilifeform;found the best to be ordinary water. The _Leviathan_ was now redesigned to 595591;1396297299;pLambert;ack, wth asciilifeform, use a link 595592;1396297299;asciilifeform;accommodate huge water tanks holding whole lakefuls of water. Even so, it 595593;1396297301;asciilifeform;would never be able to stray more than fifty miles from a major water source 595594;1396297303;asciilifeform;(though thousand-mile flexible pipelines were considered). 595595;1396297305;asciilifeform;Congress now began noticing how expensive _Leviathan_ was getting. Costs 595596;1396297307;asciilifeform;had doubled every six months: five more years like the first two, and the 595597;1396297311;asciilifeform;entire US gross national product would be spent on the land boat. Of course 595598;1396297313;asciilifeform;the project had too much momentum to cancel, but unless there were visible 595599;1396297315;asciilifeform;results, trimming would begin. Doddly went before a Congressional committee to 595600;1396297317;asciilifeform;argue eloquently for his monster. He pointed to valuable spin-offs: the 595601;1396297319;asciilifeform;Department of Agriculture now knew much more about binding topsoils. But 595602;1396297321;asciilifeform;secretly he was worried, as his diary showed: 595603;1396297323;asciilifeform;' 595604;1396297325;asciilifeform;'It was he who invented 595605;1396297327;asciilifeform;_Leviathan_, America's first (and last) nuclear-powered land aircraft carrier. 595606;1396297329;asciilifeform;_Leviathan_ was the most successful commercial defense project ever; it ended 595607;1396297331;asciilifeform;up costing every man, woman and child in the United States over twenty grand. 595608;1396297333;asciilifeform;The idea of a land ship of that size may seem ridiculous now, but it was 595609;1396297335;asciilifeform;then the right project at the right time. Two big aircraft manufacturers were 595610;1396297337;asciilifeform;enthusiastic (carriers mean planes), so was a large nuclear ship-engine firm. 595611;1396297341;asciilifeform;The major ship-building and steel companies were behind it, as were several of 595612;1396297343;asciilifeform;the largest unions, then the senators and congressmen from every state where 595613;1396297345;pLambert;oh shit, he is repeating the whole thing again 595614;1396297345;asciilifeform;any subcontractors might fall. 595615;1396297347;asciilifeform;The _USS Leviathan_ would not be anything like an ordinary carrier. It 595616;1396297349;jayk;oh dear 595617;1396297349;asciilifeform;would be a monster platform, some fifty miles across and equal in area to the 595618;1396297351;asciilifeform;state of Delaware. It would launch both missiles and planes of all types, and 595619;1396297353;asciilifeform;it would be capable of fast movement around the countryside. 595620;1396297355;asciilifeform;In the first design, _Leviathan_ was to run on wheels, thus promoting 595621;1396297357;asciilifeform;the interests of a large rubber company. But the number of tires required 595622;1396297359;asciilifeform;turned out to be 135 million, plus spares (a tire change would be needed every 595623;1396297360;jayk;my eyes cannot keep up with this shit 595624;1396297361;asciilifeform;hundred yards). Unless a complete rubber factory were taken on board#one of 595625;1396297363;asciilifeform;the alternative suggestions#the entire ship would have to hover. Grumbling, 595626;1396297365;asciilifeform;the rubber company settled for a contract to provide the giant hovercraft 595627;1396297367;asciilifeform;skirt required. 595628;1396297370;*;jayk screams 595629;1396297371;asciilifeform;Both houses of Congress shoved through the necessary legislation. There 595630;1396297373;asciilifeform;were objections that _Leviathan_ would cost too much, would be a sitting duck, 595631;1396297375;asciilifeform;would devastate any land over which it happened to hover. But by now the Armywanted it as badly as any of the dozens of states, thousands of companies and 595632;1396297378;asciilifeform;millions of workers. The combined force of industrial, political, military and 595633;1396297380;asciilifeform;commercial arguments rolled the project over all opposition as one day 595634;1396297382;asciilifeform;_Leviathan_ itself would crush down anything in its path. One junior Senator 595635;1396297384;asciilifeform;who continued to oppose it was sent on a factfinding mission to Antarctica 595636;1396297386;asciilifeform;while the bill was railroaded through. 595637;1396297388;asciilifeform;From the start, there were problems called "teething troubles". The fans 595638;1396297390;asciilifeform;which were to lift the craft were at first too weak, then (redesigned) so 595639;1396297392;asciilifeform;powerful that they blew away the topsoil for miles around the craft, created 595640;1396297394;asciilifeform;dust storms and buried small towns in soildrifts. A computer company suggested 595641;1396297396;asciilifeform;expensive monitoring equipment to regulate each fan, but this never seemed to 595642;1396297400;pLambert;guesses as to whether it will repeat a third time? 595643;1396297400;asciilifeform;solve the topsoil problem. A chemical firm then went to work on a binding 595644;1396297402;asciilifeform;agent to hold the topsoil in place; _Leviathan_ would spray the stuff out 595645;1396297404;asciilifeform;before moving. After months of experimentation with expensive agents, they 595646;1396297406;asciilifeform;found the best to be ordinary water. The _Leviathan_ was now redesigned to 595647;1396297409;asciilifeform;accommodate huge water tanks holding whole lakefuls of water. Even so, it 595648;1396297410;asciilifeform;would never be able to stray more than fifty miles from a major water source 595649;1396297412;asciilifeform;(though thousand-mile flexible pipelines were considered). 595650;1396297413;benkay;asciilifeform: would you pastebin? 595651;1396297414;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform, you should /part 595652;1396297414;asciilifeform;Congress now began noticing how expensive _Leviathan_ was getting. Costs 595653;1396297416;asciilifeform;had doubled every six months: five more years like the first two, and the 595654;1396297418;asciilifeform;entire US gross national product would be spent on the land boat. Of course 595655;1396297428;jayk;good riddance 595656;1396297432;Apocalyptic;benkay, I assume it wasn't an intentional paste 595657;1396297450;thestringpuller;benkay: stop being a hippie 595658;1396297453;jayk;lol 595659;1396297467;joecool;lawl asciilifeform just ruined some days 595660;1396297470;benkay;thestringpuller: go back to the ghetto 595661;1396297495;benkay;wb asciilifeform :) 595662;1396297497;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform donation... -> 1B6NP9eb4RKy9tRrXYCJnNcenZkrt5Q2gb 595663;1396297535;asciilifeform;how much 595664;1396297539;bounce;http://www.alternet.org/fail-400-billion-military-jet-cant-fly-cloudy-weather?paging=off¤t_page=1#bookmark http://www.pogo.org/blog/2013/02/why-the-f-35-lightning-cant-fly-in-lightning-yet.html and perhaps http://www.pogo.org/blog/2014/02/heres-what-60-minutes-didnt-tell-you-about-the-f-35.html 595665;1396297541;ozbot;Fail The $400 Billion Military Jet That Can't Fly in Cloudy Weather | Alternet 595666;1396297564;mircea_popescu;afaik it was up to the malfeasant 595667;1396297568;bounce;a little perspective here, some tidbits there, add it together and the picture isn't pretty 595668;1396297589;bounce;can't recall if this is what I recalled, but it sounds familiar 595669;1396297627;asciilifeform;https://blockchain.info/tx/b649dbbd792cd03e6a472e53596877a08e41053a6078595ce712c37935445742 595670;1396297628;ozbot;Bitcoin Transaction b649dbbd792cd03e6a472e53596877a08e41053a6078595ce712c37935445742 595671;1396297636;asciilifeform;mea culpa. 595672;1396297698;asciilifeform;1btc for the motherland. 595673;1396297755;mircea_popescu;inb4 we discover haxxors got it. 595674;1396297775;asciilifeform;lol 595675;1396297993;asciilifeform;where do these go anyway 595676;1396298014;mircea_popescu;i would imagine to kako's beer fund 595677;1396298045;asciilifeform;should be good for a small barrel. 595678;1396298055;mircea_popescu;prolly pay for the wiki 595679;1396298140;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05738786 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2} 595680;1396298201;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04643898 = 0.1858 BTC [+] {4} 595681;1396298202;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05738786 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2} 595682;1396298203;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00388001 = 0.194 BTC [+] 595683;1396298258;diametric;asciilifeform: what is that? 595684;1396298262;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05738786 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2} 595685;1396298323;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35250 @ 0.00095014 = 33.4924 BTC [+] 595686;1396298363;artifexd;What is the precedent for asciilifeform's donation? I don't see anything about it in http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/ 595687;1396298450;mircea_popescu;artifexd i dunno, it's been illo tempore policy that people accidentally spamming or otherwise unintentionally misbehave contribute to the port fund 595688;1396298485;artifexd;Interesting 595689;1396298499;asciilifeform;unwritten tradition 595690;1396298592;bounce;re strangecoin, I get the feeling I can stop reading after this: ``Of course, when I give you a dollar for a burger that's not really a zero sum transaction, because otherwise we wouldn't be motivated to enter into the transaction in the first place.'' -- conflating currency-mediated transactions with barter 595691;1396298622;asciilifeform;strangecoin? 595692;1396298628;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.0009496 = 23.2652 BTC [-] {2} 595693;1396298643;bounce;http://digitalinterface.blogspot.ca/2014/03/strangecoin-proposal-for-nonlinear.html 595694;1396298644;ozbot;digital interface: Strangecoin: a nonlinear currency 595695;1396298716;mircea_popescu;if people's understanding of cuisine are on par with their understanding of basic economy, suddenly food in the us is explained. 595696;1396298750;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05738786 = 0.1722 BTC [+] {2} 595697;1396298776;bounce;.oO( BurgerCoin ) 595698;1396298778;mircea_popescu;so i wonder if teh numerous sikrit agents dutifully scraping this are also dutifully scraping my in-guild rift convos. 595699;1396298793;mircea_popescu;memo : teh in-game chat systems are often abused to move sikrits! 595700;1396298809;mircea_popescu;come one come all, i just kicked inactives and we're down to like 800 members nao. taking all comers. 595701;1396298815;bounce;so TISAC, then 595702;1396298946;mircea_popescu;;;google tisac 595703;1396298946;gribble;TISAC | Home: <http://www.tisac.org/>; TISAC Handbook - Ravenscroft School: <http://www.ravenscroft.org/uploaded/Athletics_Docs/TISAC_Handbook.pdf>; TISAC | Thailand International Schools Activity Conference: <http://www.tisacthailand.org/> 595704;1396299026;bounce;;;google (TINC) 595705;1396299026;gribble;tinc wiki: <http://www.tinc-vpn.org/>; download - Tinc: <http://www.tinc-vpn.org/download/>; Tinc (protocol) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinc_(protocol)> 595706;1396299040;bounce;nope. no easy google for you. 595707;1396299141;mircea_popescu;lolk 595708;1396299360;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.045151 = 0.1355 BTC [-] 595709;1396299361;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05670683 = 0.1701 BTC [-] 595710;1396299362;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-] 595711;1396299456;Duffer1;!t h rent 595712;1396299457;assbot;[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00666000 / 0.00749925 / 0.00750000 (14052 shares, 105.37944000 BTC), 7D: 0.00525030 / 0.00718566 / 0.00750000 (18781 shares, 134.95392746 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00607372 / 0.00900001 (60333 shares, 366.44601440 BTC) 595713;1396299476;benkay;now is that the old tranche or the new tranche, the20year1? 595714;1396299483;benkay;!l h rent 595715;1396299483;assbot;Last trade for RENT on HAVELOCK was at 0.0075 BTC [+] 595716;1396299494;benkay;or are they all the same now? 595717;1396299503;Mats_cd03;anyway, a final word regarding the f-35 vs f-22 conversation... 595718;1396299530;Mats_cd03;the two are meant to work together as envisioned by the usaf 595719;1396299543;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3617 @ 0.00095014 = 3.4367 BTC [+] 595720;1396299553;mircea_popescu;so wait a damned second. 595721;1396299555;Mats_cd03;similarly to how the f-15 and -16 worked together in a mix of relative low and high tech 595722;1396299567;mircea_popescu;"someone" bought 105 btc worth of rent at 0.0075 today, 595723;1396299577;mircea_popescu;but the same someone didn't buy 30 btc worth of rent all week 595724;1396299589;mircea_popescu;in spite of it trading around 50ish for the entire interval ? 595725;1396299593;mircea_popescu;how's this stuff work ? 595726;1396299603;ThickAsThieves;magic, mostly 595727;1396299651;ThickAsThieves;same way it worked for btcgarden? 595728;1396299658;ThickAsThieves;buy your own shit, momentum! 595729;1396299665;mircea_popescu;nuts. 595730;1396299704;Duffer1;wasn't rent trading halted during that period? 595731;1396299749;bounce;too bad for the US' alies then that the f22 is too advanced to be exported even to NATO partners 595732;1396299749;punkman1;how do you even IPO twice? sounds like an oxymoron 595733;1396299842;mircea_popescu;punkman1 2po 595734;1396299912;ThickAsThieves;this is the 3rd or 4th offering i think 595735;1396299938;bounce;Many PO 595736;1396300214;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05738997 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2} 595737;1396300442;mircea_popescu;"Listen porky... 595738;1396300442;mircea_popescu;If Danny really wanted to scam people, he would have done that right after the IPO but he didn't. He went ahead and invested money in setting up the office, hiring staffers, media campaigns, buying POS devices, sending his hired staffers to conferences and so on. 595739;1396300442;mircea_popescu;He could have taken off with all the money right after the IPO but he didn't." 595740;1396300459;mircea_popescu;what IS the word there anyway, any pdfs yet ? 595741;1396300510;kakobrekla;pdfs? those you have to read. gimme flash. 595742;1396300526;bounce;can't you stuff flash in pdfs these days? 595743;1396300557;kakobrekla;dunno, prolly with a powerpoint plugin 595744;1396300580;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22098 @ 0.00094912 = 20.9737 BTC [-] {2} 595745;1396300628;bounce;actually acrobat supports way beyond what's decent for a pdf reader 595746;1396300669;benkay;acrobat a whore 595747;1396300946;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00095014 = 11.5442 BTC [+] 595748;1396301069;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/ffbf07618e347c111177a02c2337f684/tumblr_ml8d0boKTx1s0yaxoo1_1280.jpg 595749;1396301093;benkay;great tits on that one 595750;1396301098;mircea_popescu;indeed. 595751;1396301108;benkay;man so i have this pm who'd love nothing more than to get my guys fired 595752;1396301112;benkay;we're expensive etc 595753;1396301115;blackwhite;http://corner.squareup.com/2014/03/square-market-accepts-bitcoin.html 595754;1396301115;ozbot;Square Market Accepts Bitcoin 595755;1396301123;benkay;sets us up for a deploy this afternoon 595756;1396301131;benkay;ten minutes before scheduled deploy 595757;1396301143;benkay;'HOLD THE PHONES B I FORGOT TO INFORM ADMIN STAFF ABOUT DEPLOY WAIT WAIT WAIT' 595758;1396301173;benkay;mind you i've already sent the executive team the 'deploy briefing' email i'm in the habit of sending out before deploys... 595759;1396301197;benkay;in conclusion, i have determined that the PMs incompetence is undermining his malice. 595760;1396301212;benkay;either that or he's playing some crazy game i don't understand. 595761;1396301227;benkay;('executive team') 595762;1396301241;benkay;*sigh* 595763;1396301251;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3993 @ 0.00095014 = 3.7939 BTC [+] 595764;1396301330;mircea_popescu;blackwhite yeah was announced yest no ? 595765;1396301355;blackwhite;no we announced it today 595766;1396301371;mircea_popescu;i coulda sworn 595767;1396301413;Mats_cd03;that was stripe 595768;1396301418;mircea_popescu;>< 595769;1396301423;mircea_popescu;it was. my bad. 595770;1396301438;blackwhite;yeah they are doing it in beta 595771;1396301464;benkay;for whom has accepting bitcoin been a big business booster? 595772;1396301466;benkay;ostock? 595773;1396301476;mircea_popescu;blackwhite so you actually working for square ? 595774;1396301481;blackwhite;TigerDirect 595775;1396301496;blackwhite;they claim they saved more than 10K in fees alone 595776;1396301599;benkay;it's like consumer 'any txn we can get' ------------------------ elite '1 tx of 5m every two or three months' 595777;1396301611;benkay;nobody making serious bank with it. 595778;1396301661;pankkake;so what? less fees less fraud, why would you not do it? 595779;1396301692;mircea_popescu;^ 595780;1396301710;mircea_popescu;it may not make much sense for brick and mortar small businesses a la meze grill 595781;1396301718;mircea_popescu;however, for an online retailer ? lifeline. 595782;1396301737;mircea_popescu;just the fact that nobody can chargeback you and pp can't hold your wallet at ransom and that;s enough for anyone sane. 595783;1396301739;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] 595784;1396301755;benkay;gotta have the business first tho. no sense in "its gonna work 'cause bitcoin" 595785;1396301771;pankkake;I spent a week trying to verify my "identity" with a french paypal-like 595786;1396301775;mircea_popescu;course gotta have the business first. 595787;1396301790;mircea_popescu;pankkake since bitcoin my response to any sort of such thing is lol. 595788;1396301797;mircea_popescu;and perhaps, if i feel in a good mood, "get in the wot" 595789;1396301799;mircea_popescu;but mostly, lol. 595790;1396301803;pankkake;since they did not read the text I was sending them, I ended up sending a goatse 595791;1396301811;Apocalyptic;lol 595792;1396301831;pankkake;and did the order again, but with another payment method 595793;1396301888;ThickAsThieves;<blackwhite> no we announced it today /// you work for Square? 595794;1396301906;ThickAsThieves;if so, props to Square for having you in here 595795;1396301911;ThickAsThieves;whether incidental or not 595796;1396301923;joecool;ThickAsThieves: http://www.linkedin.com/in/thompete 595797;1396301933;mircea_popescu;ThickAsThieves i originally asked him because i was going to give him a 1 if he can prove it, but seems he ignored it for some reason 595798;1396301951;ThickAsThieves;maybe he wasnt sposed to say so 595799;1396301956;blackwhite;hey yeah sorry 595800;1396301960;blackwhite;yes I work for Square 595801;1396301965;mircea_popescu;can you prove it ? 595802;1396301973;blackwhite;haha why should I prove it? 595803;1396301976;blackwhite;I don’t understand 595804;1396301984;ThickAsThieves;cuz we care 595805;1396301999;joecool;shoe on head 595806;1396302008;benkay;you've made a claim, blackwhite. 595807;1396302010;ThickAsThieves;if you care to say such things, what's wrong with proving it? 595808;1396302025;benkay;if you hadn't made a claim, that'd be a different story. 595809;1396302026;blackwhite;Just a curius question 595810;1396302027;mircea_popescu;yeah, "cuz we care" i guess. 595811;1396302038;benkay;but this zone is filled with scammers who won't substantiate their claims. 595812;1396302043;blackwhite;ahh ok 595813;1396302045;benkay;we're hostile to unsubstantiated claims. 595814;1396302050;joecool;blackwhite: a picture with shoe on head will suffice 595815;1396302051;blackwhite;i see 595816;1396302052;benkay;what is this we nonsense 595817;1396302060;benkay;I'm hostile to unsubstantiated claims. 595818;1396302064;pankkake;I didn't understand it that way 595819;1396302074;ThickAsThieves;we are a hive mind, in early stages 595820;1396302087;mircea_popescu;joecool lol whats with you and shoes 595821;1396302089;benkay;nope.jpg 595822;1396302105;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00094771 = 19.8545 BTC [-] {2} 595823;1396302128;benkay;just a motley collection of individuals, with individual tastes and preferences. 595824;1396302137;joecool;mircea_popescu: many of the girls you post in here lack shoes, i am trying to solve a shortage of shoes in pictures 595825;1396302155;mircea_popescu;ic 595826;1396302162;ThickAsThieves;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8gzua-K_E 595827;1396302162;ozbot;The Lost Boys (4/10) Movie CLIP - One of Us (1987) HD - YouTube 595828;1396302167;mircea_popescu;benkay you know you're my sock, why fight it 595829;1396302173;benkay;you guys want to hear something stupid? 595830;1396302175;pankkake;but all shoes aren't equal 595831;1396302181;benkay;i'd rather be hacking on a bitcoin thing and not getting paid right now. 595832;1396302181;mircea_popescu;ahaha 595833;1396302183;benkay;instead 595834;1396302204;benkay;i'm staring at my email, billing by the quarter hour, waiting for someone to drop the ball hard enough for me to call off a deploy on my own. 595835;1396302213;pankkake;benkay: why not? unless you don't have enough to pay the bills 595836;1396302226;mircea_popescu;pankkake the girl won't approve. 595837;1396302227;benkay;relationships are important 595838;1396302229;pankkake;getting fired isn't hard either 595839;1396302235;benkay;not really a good idea to say 'fuck it' mid deploy conversation. 595840;1396302246;benkay;pankkake: it's also my shop. 595841;1396302249;pankkake;oh, right. not a thing I'd tell my parents either 595842;1396302258;benkay;oh ho ho up yours too 595843;1396302298;benkay;i don't know man. i think relationship with this client calls for a little subtlety 595844;1396302303;benkay;finesse 595845;1396302313;ThickAsThieves;deprogramming 595846;1396302320;ThickAsThieves;manipulation 595847;1396302323;ThickAsThieves;finesse 595848;1396302326;benkay;yeah they definitely need less programming that's for sure 595849;1396302331;benkay;fewer tickets 595850;1396302333;Mats_cd03;hi this is dog 595851;1396302333;benkay;better tickets 595852;1396302349;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+] 595853;1396302364;Mats_cd03;i can verify i am dog with shoe on head 595854;1396302372;ThickAsThieves;the RENT is too damn high! 595855;1396302375;Mats_cd03;more data to follow 595856;1396302433;kakobrekla;lol tat 595857;1396302489;mod6;haha 595858;1396302498;artifexd;mircea_popescu "Take a picture with a shoe on your head" is a thing redditors use to prove that you are who you say you are. 595859;1396302510;benkay;artifexd: started with 419ers 595860;1396302525;kakobrekla;until bakewell changed it to a sock 595861;1396302526;artifexd;That doesn't surprise me in the least. 595862;1396302535;blackwhite;well my blog is http://www.000fff.org (black&White) 595863;1396302539;benkay;http://i.imgur.com/BfECj.jpg 595864;1396302555;blackwhite;and my twitter handle is @hello_world 595865;1396302556;Jason;joecool in rl 595866;1396302750;mircea_popescu;artifexd much older than reddit. yes. 595867;1396302782;artifexd;knowyourmeme says it started in 2006. Wow 595868;1396302786;mircea_popescu;blackwhite send me email from your comp account, for instance. 595869;1396302803;mircea_popescu;artifexd im pretty sure it's pre dotcom. 595870;1396302844;Jason;blackwhite: i hear you're the squareup man? 595871;1396302871;blackwhite;i just work there 595872;1396302888;Jason;blackwhite: ah 595873;1396302959;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00095014 = 11.9718 BTC [+] 595874;1396303016;Jason;blackwhite: well, my account was banned in 2013 for being 'high risk'. when I contacted support, they simply didn't respond to me. luckily, all of this happened before I switched my entire business to Square (my account was several months old, though). had I of completely switched to Square before I was banned with no explanation, it would have probably ruined my business. 595875;1396303042;Jason;blackwhite: as I mentioned, support is ignoring me. do you have any suggestions? 595876;1396303050;Mats_cd03;lol. 595877;1396303059;ThickAsThieves;seems you figured it out Jason 595878;1396303063;ThickAsThieves;dont use Square 595879;1396303077;ThickAsThieves;btw this Square news, it's only for their online marketplace right? 595880;1396303081;ThickAsThieves;not the app 595881;1396303082;blackwhite;yeah 595882;1396303094;blackwhite;Sorry to hear that Jason 595883;1396303099;ThickAsThieves;why the half-measure? 595884;1396303104;Jason;i'd love to use Square. being an internet sales business, it'd benefit me greatly. 595885;1396303127;Jason;just, being banned with no explanation of what might have caused the ban and being unable to contact support? well... yeah. 595886;1396303136;Jason;that 595887;1396303138;blackwhite;Not sure why you can’t get through. Did you try twitter and phone? 595888;1396303142;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12740 @ 0.00095014 = 12.1048 BTC [+] 595889;1396303144;Jason;er - that's a little concerning 595890;1396303152;Jason;blackwhite: as I remember it, in 2013 they didn't have phone support? 595891;1396303167;Jason;blackwhite: i did try twitter and my tweet (twat? whatever they call it) went ignored, too 595892;1396303220;blackwhite;I see. 595893;1396303224;Jason;blackwhite: of course I know i'm just picking on you, but hey - maybe you'd be able to give me some pointers. 595894;1396303263;blackwhite;did you try this https://squareup.com/help/en-us/contact 595895;1396303276;blackwhite;yeah of course it 595896;1396303280;blackwhite;s totally fair you ask me 595897;1396303296;blackwhite;sorry I can’t be of bigger help. 595898;1396303323;Jason;i did and never got a response. i'll try again. maybe they changed stuff around 595899;1396303358;mircea_popescu;twat lol 595900;1396303376;Jason;blackwhite: can't initiate the email 595901;1396303388;Jason;blackwhite: Payment card processing permanently deactivated. Click to read Square's Seller Agreement 595902;1396303410;Jason;won't even let me email them. :p 595903;1396303569;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00095345 = 9.7252 BTC [+] {2} 595904;1396303670;mircea_popescu;Jason lol what did you exactly do ? 595905;1396303719;ThickAsThieves;probly SR vendor 595906;1396303722;Jason;mircea_popescu: not a clue 595907;1396303725;Jason;ThickAsThieves: nop 595908;1396303741;Jason;ThickAsThieves: did /nothing/ even questionable. tbh, i mainly used it for quick transfers between my bank accounts :P 595909;1396303766;ThickAsThieves;monbey laundering 595910;1396303770;ThickAsThieves;terrorist! 595911;1396303786;Jason;ThickAsThieves: that's what i'm trying to do. they won't tell me what i did for 'security reasons' :-p. 595912;1396303803;Jason;ThickAsThieves: oh. not trying to do /that/. it was transfers between my own bank accounts! ;) 595913;1396303808;ThickAsThieves;if we tell you, you will know how not to get caught next time 595914;1396303812;ThickAsThieves;terrorist. 595915;1396303851;Jason;you caught me. 595916;1396303852;Jason;:( 595917;1396303872;Jason;A++++++ support 595918;1396303882;ThickAsThieves;maybe now i can for for Homeland Security 595919;1396303882;Mats_cd03;hey now, we have enough us agencies watching this channel already 595920;1396303885;ThickAsThieves;i'm good at this 595921;1396303900;ThickAsThieves;work* 595922;1396303902;bounce;you'd like as not turn out overqualified 595923;1396303904;benkay;what, you're going to rep the DHS now ThickAsThieves ? 595924;1396303921;Jason;Mats_cd03: probably true 595925;1396303921;Jason;lol 595926;1396303927;ThickAsThieves;cant have terrorist like Jason using Square to launder money, now can we? 595927;1396303940;Jason;ThickAsThieves: guess i'll have to stick to bitcoin 595928;1396303941;Jason;argh 595929;1396303943;Jason;darn 595930;1396303957;bounce;there's too many agencies anyway. whatwasitagain, 1200-odd agencies with some sort of "terrism" link? 595931;1396303960;mircea_popescu;Jason url btw ? 595932;1396303964;Jason;mircea_popescu: for? 595933;1396303964;ThickAsThieves;round bitcoin, Square hole 595934;1396303967;Mats_cd03;irs, sec, fbi, dhs? 595935;1396303969;mircea_popescu;this shop of yours ? 595936;1396303978;Mats_cd03;maybe the cia uses -otc from time to time 595937;1396304026;bounce;why would they? they're running entire banks dedicated to laundring and everything else they instituted AML/KYC CYA BS elsewhere for. 595938;1396304041;Jason;mircea_popescu: doesn't work since i'm banned :-P 595939;1396304057;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.0009539 = 12.0668 BTC [+] {2} 595940;1396304065;Mats_cd03;buying things from the paranoid, i imagine 595941;1396304084;mircea_popescu;Jason uh so you no longer have a shop now ? 595942;1396304086;Mats_cd03;0days they cant ask the nsa for, perhaps 595943;1396304097;bounce;peddling tin foil hats? -- now that might be an interesting niche. tin foil hats for bitcoin. 595944;1396304103;Mats_cd03;(i'm pretty baked and wildly speculating here) 595945;1396304121;benkay;Mats_cd03: you druggie 595946;1396304122;bounce;they'd have their own contract with vupen and whoever else sells these 595947;1396304144;Mats_cd03;what are drugs 595948;1396304176;kakobrekla;wasnt this discussed like a day or two ago 595949;1396304180;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.063 = 0.315 BTC [-] 595950;1396304182;kakobrekla;we should add it to wiki. 595951;1396304183;bounce;"stuff you buy at the drugstore" 595952;1396304229;kakobrekla;also sausage department for nubbins. 595953;1396304239;kakobrekla;anyway, carry on. 595954;1396304291;Jason;mircea_popescu: i do, but i can't take it online yet 595955;1396304332;Mats_cd03;so you came to bitcoin-assets for square support 595956;1396304333;mircea_popescu;ahahah forum rules. 595957;1396304340;mircea_popescu;person 1 : "I personally don't believe that Neo&Bee is a scam, but very well said. Just becuase there is an easier way to steal money that the scammers passed up doesn't mean it's not a scam." 595958;1396304347;mircea_popescu;person 2 : "Good to head you think Neo is legit." 595959;1396304435;Namworld;Forum server if it had an AI: "Please, help, oh why!? Stop feeding me this type of data!" 595960;1396304457;mircea_popescu;we're lucky there's no hard ai. 595961;1396304515;mircea_popescu;"Even if Neo ends up failing and Cyprus central bankers win this battle, they've managed to change the world forever. The Bitcoin awareness in Cyprus will not go away even if Neo fails and that counts for something. I know I was part of that as an investor and helped build that to some extent. On the other hand MPEx will go down in history as the clown who badmouthed the competition and riding some donkey in Egypt." 595962;1396304520;mircea_popescu;it must suck to suck. 595963;1396304537;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is neobee competition o.o 595964;1396304553;Namworld;No idea 595965;1396304553;bounce;didn't get big enough before failing 595966;1396304566;kakobrekla;not a donkey is it. 595967;1396304587;Namworld;I stopped questioning why people say certain things long ago. 595968;1396304597;mircea_popescu;Namworld im not that advanced yet. 595969;1396304635;Namworld;I probably spew nonsense regularly too anyway. I just let it be unless I feel like debating the topic. 595970;1396304635;mircea_popescu;interesting argument tho, re "the awareness that won't go away". 595971;1396304642;mircea_popescu;i wonder to what degree things actually work that way. 595972;1396304645;Jason;Mats_cd03: i came to -assets to share my story of being randomly banned with no explanation and being completely denied support. had my business of been in full swing with square, it would be a rather large problem. 595973;1396304669;mike_c;it has some validity. marketing is repetition repetition.. 595974;1396304674;mircea_popescu;Jason extremely difficult claims to verify you see. 595975;1396304685;mike_c;obviously neo&bee was not supposed to simply be an ad campaign for bitcoin. 595976;1396304690;mircea_popescu;mike_c yeah but what if the awareness they raised is "bitcoin is an undependable scamfest" 595977;1396304704;bounce;re donkeys: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Virtudyne_0x3a__The_Digital_Donkey.aspx 595978;1396304713;mircea_popescu;i guess we'll actually be deriving some benefit from the ineptly handled neobee shareholder piggybank, 595979;1396304715;mike_c;i don't think they got that far in penetrating the consumer consciousness. 595980;1396304725;mircea_popescu;in that we'll see if in 2015 or 2020 cypruss is above or below the norm 595981;1396304730;mike_c;but they have now heard of bitcoin, and next time it will be the second time. 595982;1396304760;mircea_popescu;there's also many cultural factors at play. for instance, in a culture which is fundamentally defeatist and patently insane, like romania's, 595983;1396304767;mircea_popescu;having failed is actually much better than having succeeded. 595984;1396304786;mike_c;i am not defending his retarded veiwpoint though. "it's ok because neo&bee ran ads". 595985;1396304798;bounce;so, what're you doing, failing by succeeding? 595986;1396304818;mike_c;mircea_popescu: same as silicon valley :) 595987;1396304827;mircea_popescu;bounce i have no idea. the entire national pantheon is basically neobee like scammors. ie, various rebels promising independence from x or y or z 595988;1396304836;mircea_popescu;then failing miserably but having ballads made about how cool they were 595989;1396304844;mircea_popescu;it's really not at all different from forum mentality. 595990;1396304853;Mats_cd03;lol 595991;1396304893;Mats_cd03;a surprising number of national origin stories are basically that 595992;1396304897;mircea_popescu;i mean... guys like iancu jianu. ex road robber, caught, tried, sentenced to hang, saved by ancient rule that noble virginz may save a convicted felon by marrying him 595993;1396304904;bounce;well I s'pose that gave you a bit of a headstart "researching" the bitcoin zoo 595994;1396304905;mircea_popescu;became small time country landed gent. 595995;1396304908;Jason;mircea_popescu: hey - get me in touch with someone @ square and we'd figure it out! :) 595996;1396304911;Mats_cd03;except the scrub that barely made it is in fact the hero of old 595997;1396304915;Mats_cd03;(in the retelling) 595998;1396304943;bounce;what, there's still a vaguely functioning feudal system going on? 595999;1396304974;mircea_popescu;where ? 596000;1396305047;Mats_cd03;i guess you could say afghanistan and somalia were vaguely functioning feudal systems in the last few decade 596001;1396305063;Mats_cd03;^decades 596002;1396305092;bounce;oh, that guy appears to've been dead for a good 150 years. oh well. 596003;1396305094;mircea_popescu;i suppose all of central asia is feudal 596004;1396305101;mircea_popescu;probably latin america slowly coming to modernism 596005;1396305108;mircea_popescu;bounce 1700s yeah 596006;1396305151;mircea_popescu;anyway. "cyprus central bankers" win this battle god help us. 596007;1396305158;mircea_popescu;that guy must be some sort of a plant. 596008;1396305234;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/ee7769d9609cf8cc7c3a05a45da49821/tumblr_mkv3mdeUC81s0ryyvo1_500.jpg 596009;1396305239;mircea_popescu;pic relatively related. 596010;1396305466;mircea_popescu;moiety http://imgur.com/gallery/g6X7e 596011;1396305521;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00095418 = 3.5305 BTC [+] 596012;1396305582;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.0009544 = 21.14 BTC [+] {2} 596013;1396305826;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00095502 = 10.6007 BTC [+] {2} 596014;1396305836;only;any movie recommendations, folks? 596015;1396305845;antephialtic;genre? 596016;1396305902;only;drama? 596017;1396305921;pankkake;bitcoin: the movie 596018;1396305934;only;lol 596019;1396305941;Mats_cd03;inside man, stasiland, attack the block 596020;1396305948;Mats_cd03;the raid 2 596021;1396306005;kakobrekla;'Dead man' is 1/3 drama. 596022;1396306009;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 124 @ 0.0075 = 0.93 BTC [+] 596023;1396306071;kakobrekla;'The limits of control' as well 596024;1396306334;only;kakobrekla: jarmusch fan? :) 596025;1396306351;kakobrekla;i wouldnt say a fan 596026;1396306432;only;thanks, 'the limits of control' it is 596027;1396306531;kakobrekla;imagine you went to a gallery when you watch it :) 596028;1396306766;tg2;ponzidoge round startign in 1m 596029;1396306769;tg2;watch the fireworks 596030;1396306773;tg2;address-wrapper 596031;1396306778;tg2;ponzidoge.com * 596032;1396306985;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61791308 = 1.2358 BTC [+] {2} 596033;1396307107;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00576 = 0.3168 BTC [+] {2} 596034;1396307130;moiety;well hello sane people in here 596035;1396307230;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0009534 = 11.3455 BTC [-] {2} 596036;1396307652;TestingUnoDosTre;.d 596037;1396307652;ozbot;5.007 billion | Next Diff in 862 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.6559% in 5d 2h 33m 34s 596038;1396307789;moiety;lolol mircea_popescu business cat, Yorkshire version // also http://i.imgur.com/575U3WI.gif 596039;1396307840;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.0009553 = 11.177 BTC [+] 596040;1396307864;TestingUnoDosTre;wow that mouse was good at acting 596041;1396307961;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05738997 = 0.2296 BTC [+] {2} 596042;1396307962;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0451525 = 0.1806 BTC [+] {2} 596043;1396308022;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05738997 = 0.2296 BTC [+] {2} 596044;1396308023;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-] {2} 596045;1396308024;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0451 = 0.1353 BTC [-] 596046;1396308089;nubbins`;what's going on with log.b-a? 596047;1396308117;nubbins`;the order of the words is all fucked up 596048;1396308118;mircea_popescu;nubbins` what ? 596049;1396308133;mircea_popescu;ajhahaha 596050;1396308134;mike_c;log.b-a is doge now 596051;1396308139;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla lampelina broke it!!11 596052;1396308152;kakobrekla;seems fine here 596053;1396308153;nubbins`;now click a timestamp 596054;1396308155;mircea_popescu;"mircea_popescu: made cool ballads failing but miserably how then about having they were" 596055;1396308155;kakobrekla;must be ur browsers 596056;1396308159;nubbins`;it rearranges 'em, still wrong 596057;1396308163;mircea_popescu;sounds like someone's googletranslate me 596058;1396308175;mircea_popescu;"mircea_popescu: but were ballads about made miserably they then having cool how failing" 596059;1396308208;antephialtic;yeah, is this some kind of silly april fools joke? the log makes it look like this is #bitcoin-yoda 596060;1396308214;nubbins`;23:21:29nubbins`:on what's log.b-a? going with 596061;1396308237;mike_c;obfuscation to prevent spying 596062;1396308249;nubbins`;00:08:39asciilifeform:thinking modern of pc bounce: was i 596063;1396308251;nubbins`;ahahahah. 596064;1396308261;moiety;bahahahahaha 596065;1396308267;mike_c;1 2 3 4 5 596066;1396308272;moiety;dear oh fuck 596067;1396308295;nubbins`;mircea_popescu:fifty lines ? you babies up weren't starving 596068;1396308303;nubbins`;leel 596069;1396308316;moiety;almost got it there 596070;1396308346;mircea_popescu;lmao this all started with asciilifeform beerbucket 596071;1396308348;nubbins`;this is awesome 596072;1396308370;nubbins`;kakobrekla i much prefer it this way, don't fix it 596073;1396308385;mircea_popescu;these words of sorted randomly r they perhaps into sense coallesce through of sortage log method ? 596074;1396308394;moiety;i cant even go back to see that now mircea_popescu lol 596075;1396308406;mircea_popescu;maybe it's a method to fix my forum quotes. 596076;1396308416;mircea_popescu;i put stuff from the forum in here, read it destupidified in log 596077;1396308453;moiety;that forumite speak 596078;1396308964;mircea_popescu;http://24.media.tumblr.com/a3aedb2f647e9395c5fc9a66e6d6d621/tumblr_mkfz4rxTzm1re7tkoo1_1280.jpg 596079;1396308977;KRS-One;HAWT! 596080;1396308988;mircea_popescu;(the teacher is the one without thge baby fat) 596081;1396309027;nubbins`;https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t31.0-8/1966347_10152341397792174_1401187864_o.png 596082;1396309031;nubbins`;^ yay 596083;1396309039;pankkake;this was deleted by a bitcointalk mod: http://pastebin.com/SvkANZjZ 596084;1396309061;pankkake;yet stalking people is ok, as another mod told me 596085;1396309062;tg2;davout is getting jealous 596086;1396309070;pankkake;scammy as fuck 596087;1396309097;tg2;pankkake, learn2sock 596088;1396309109;pankkake;learn2berelevant 596089;1396309117;tg2;http://sockpuppettheatre.com/video/trolling-101/ 596090;1396309118;ozbot;TROLLING 101 | SockPuppet Theatre 596091;1396309120;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7535 @ 0.00095303 = 7.1811 BTC [-] {2} 596092;1396309181;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32802 @ 0.00095344 = 31.2747 BTC [+] {4} 596093;1396309269;KRS-One;She indeed is ready for some lessons. 596094;1396309364;assbot;[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 120 @ 0.00388001 = 0.4656 BTC [+] 596095;1396309391;mircea_popescu;pankkake odd. 596096;1396309402;pankkake;what's odd is how old the message is, too 596097;1396309413;pankkake;is there a list of moderators? 596098;1396309440;pankkake;I'd like to know who banned crumbs and kakobrekla too 596099;1396309451;mircea_popescu;not afaik. 596100;1396309457;mircea_popescu;just use the .lk thing and be done with it 596101;1396309460;pankkake;yeah, scammers prefer to be hidden 596102;1396309461;mircea_popescu;it'll autopost to the scampit. 596103;1396309487;pankkake;https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bitcointalk/ gives me "not found" 596104;1396309552;mircea_popescu;there was some github 596105;1396309669;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.0009473 = 19.1355 BTC [-] {2} 596106;1396309974;assbot;[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82198 @ 0.00094697 = 77.839 BTC [-] {6} 596107;1396310337;kakobrekla;i doubt anyone who should be reading is reading .lk 596108;1396310343;kakobrekla;so meh 596109;1396310388;mircea_popescu;it posts across tho